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| 00:07.07 | cromag | im trying to do wpa2 on a ipw2200 and i believe i have followed steps regarding drivers firmware and such, i am now trying to 'make' wpa_supplicant, but gets alot of errors, one telling me that 'make' can't find ssl.h - that is right, ssl.h is not anywhere, but openssl is installed. Any ideas ? :) |
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| 00:10.23 | pipeline | why not just install the wpa supplicant package? |
| 00:11.18 | Pryon | If you want to build programs using openssl, you'll need libssl-dev |
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| 00:12.03 | Pryon | but installing the wpa supplicant package makes more sense |
| 00:12.16 | cromag | 1. ok i didnt know there was a package for it, and 2. the guide didnt tell me about the libssl. |
| 00:12.19 | cromag | thanks :) |
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| 00:12.27 | cromag | ill check it. |
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| 00:13.30 | cromag | hmm it is installed. |
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| 00:17.13 | cromag | oh well.. |
| 00:17.19 | cromag | everything was installed.. |
| 00:17.30 | cromag | i just didnt see the wpa2 option before.. |
| 00:17.44 | cromag | so i started searching and found guides. |
| 00:17.48 | benjamindees | in general should I be able to 'iwlist wl0 scan' while associated or will that cause some drivers to choke? |
| 00:17.58 | cromag | thanks for opening my eyes ;) |
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| 00:23.09 | pythonic | how do i backup /var/mail while postfix and dovecot are running? |
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| 00:23.56 | stephen | does anybody here know how to put a user into nvram ? |
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| 00:25.21 | pythonic | can i lock one maildir at a time? |
| 00:25.26 | adv | hi anyone can point me to a tutorial that describes basic postfix with pop3 and sasl setup? |
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| 00:26.56 | pipeline | pythonic: lvm snapshot |
| 00:28.03 | adv | i need sasl for sending out mails from my mail client right? |
| 00:28.07 | Baloo | wonders where he can find out more about gnome-compatible GnuPG agents. |
| 00:28.30 | poseidon | Yay, I just found about keywords in iceweasel. Now I just have to use pdo <packagename> in my address bar :) |
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| 00:32.57 | pythonic | pipeline: interesting.. thanks :-) |
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| 00:36.18 | BubbaT | Problem with new compouter: I can ping myself, I can ping another computer on the network, but I cannot ping a computer on the net, even by IP. |
| 00:37.38 | Sling | do you use a firewall? |
| 00:37.44 | Sling | could be blocking the ping answer |
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| 00:37.51 | Sling | or request |
| 00:38.35 | zophy[] | which debian package do i install to get the java runtime environment ? |
| 00:38.48 | Sling | zophy[] : apt-get install java-common |
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| 00:39.07 | zophy[] | ah, it seems so simple now |
| 00:40.06 | ArthurArchnix | I need some pointers on different suspend solutions. I've got s2ram -f working. Wow. Works great. But now I need to integrate it into my setup a little more so that I don't have to call it as root. What are my options? First one I know of is that I can install sudo, grant user right to use s2ram and give it a shortcut key. Ok... but i've already got all these laptop mode tools and acpi stuff installed, can I use those? What |
| 00:40.22 | BubbaT | locally iptables is empty. It is connected to another computer which is acting as a router. A different computer going through the same router can ping the same address with no problems. |
| 00:40.44 | Sling | BubbaT : can you use wireshark to inspect the ping traffic? |
| 00:41.17 | Sling | any rules in the router specific for the host which is unable to ping externally? |
| 00:41.45 | Sling | inbound ping answer perhaps routed to some dmz/default host? |
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| 00:42.32 | BubbaT | On wireshark, it's not on the machine in question. I have no way to get it there yet. |
| 00:42.44 | Sling | tcpdump? |
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| 00:43.40 | tonyb_ | how do I tell resolvconf to set a DNS server |
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| 00:44.33 | poseidon | How do I tell dpkg about something? |
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| 00:45.20 | Sling | tonyb_ : http://www.clab.it/cgi-bin/man/man2html?resolvconf+8 |
| 00:45.29 | nonfatmatt | dpkg is like chuck norris, you don't tell it something, it tells you |
| 00:45.29 | dpkg | nonfatmatt: no idea |
| 00:45.40 | nonfatmatt | see |
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| 00:48.09 | BubbaT | Ok. There is nothing special about the second computer. Am going to try to downloiad wireshark to another computer and ftp it over. |
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| 00:52.06 | Sling | ok, wireshark/tshark/tcpdump or any other packet analyser will do, keep us posted |
| 00:52.22 | adv | which is easier to setup |
| 00:52.27 | adv | courier-imap or dovecot? |
| 00:53.01 | _vjt | dovecot |
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| 01:04.17 | adv | what would i need to do to send mail from thunderbird? |
| 01:04.28 | adv | is sasl required? |
| 01:04.33 | adv | is there another way? |
| 01:04.44 | pipeline | you need your ISP's SMTP server |
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| 01:05.27 | adv | no it's my postfix mailserver |
| 01:06.09 | acu | I have a silly question - if I get 5 static IPs from Qwest - do I need to use them all only on servers connected to their service (what I am trying to ask is whether IP addresses can be used anywhere) |
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| 01:07.57 | keila | how can i specify which ips can connect to my stunnel server and deny all others? i cant find it in the man page or google |
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| 01:08.57 | Sling | keila : you could use a firewall |
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| 01:09.20 | Sling | but i doubt there is no functionality in stunnel to define allowed hosts |
| 01:09.42 | ianbentley | Hey, I'm having some trouble with my wpa_supplicant. I've made a pastie of my /etc/network/interfaces, my wpa_supplicant.conf, and my wpa_action log file. Can anyone have a look at it? |
| 01:09.52 | keila | Sling: yeah...i'm hoping stunnel can do it. cant seem to find anything so far, though |
| 01:10.10 | Sling | not using it myself, cant help you ther |
| 01:10.11 | Sling | e |
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| 01:12.52 | zophy[] | i installed java-common but iceweasel isn't using it |
| 01:12.54 | zophy[] | ergo the missing plugin error |
| 01:12.58 | zophy[] | should i do a number on iceweasel ? take it to a biker bar and leave it there |
| 01:13.00 | zophy[] | ? |
| 01:15.28 | pipeline | there's another package |
| 01:15.35 | pipeline | apt-cache search java | grep mozilla |
| 01:16.14 | pipeline | apt-cache search java | grep plugin |
| 01:16.14 | pipeline | whatever, you'll find it :P |
| 01:16.19 | pipeline | btw, you will probably want to use the sun java |
| 01:16.28 | pipeline | I don't think anything else comes with java web start |
| 01:16.32 | pipeline | which is the dominant method of distributing applets |
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| 01:18.37 | poseidon | dmg |
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| 01:18.53 | poseidon | How can I unarchive/open a .dmg file |
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| 01:26.28 | adv | how can i call aptitude from a script? |
| 01:26.34 | adv | and not have it ask me yes/no etc? |
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| 01:26.43 | Sling | use yes |
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| 01:26.46 | adv | like say yes to all questions |
| 01:26.47 | Sling | dpkg : yes |
| 01:26.47 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
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| 01:26.52 | Sling | sigh |
| 01:26.53 | adv | lol! |
| 01:26.58 | Sling | yes will output yes |
| 01:27.14 | adv | but it's interactive |
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| 01:27.31 | Sling | (or any string its given) |
| 01:28.56 | adv | Sling: i don't understand. aptitude is interactive |
| 01:29.16 | dcnoye | adv : env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install whatever |
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| 01:30.09 | adv | dcnoye: thanks i'll try that |
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| 01:31.19 | adv | dcnoye: it still stops at env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 01:31.21 | adv | err |
| 01:31.22 | adv | To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": |
| 01:31.52 | dcnoye | try it with backticks |
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| 01:32.16 | dcnoye | `env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install` |
| 01:32.32 | adv | ah it's one command sorry |
| 01:33.25 | maher | i want to do login to machine B via machine A, so I add a command="ssh B" ssh-rsa .. to authorized_keys - is there a better way? how do I use the original ket to login to B? |
| 01:34.03 | adv | dcnoye: nope :/ |
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| 01:37.32 | asg | maher: ssh-copy-id |
| 01:38.05 | asg | maher: nevermind, use a shell script instead |
| 01:38.30 | dcnoye | adv *sigh |
| 01:38.39 | asg | maher: as far as using the original key, try -A |
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| 01:41.37 | dcnoye | adv what happens ? |
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| 01:42.05 | maher | asg: ok - i'll try - should I be trying to use ssh-agent for non-interactive stuff? |
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| 01:42.25 | keila | to block a single port from a specific ip, i would use "iptables -A INPUT -s ip_num --dport port_num -j DROP" correct? and if i were to block that port from all address, i'd just remove '-s ip_num' from that statement? |
| 01:42.38 | adv | dcnoye: it stops at To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": |
| 01:42.41 | asg | maher: you can do or use ssh -i (if you have passphraseless keys) |
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| 01:43.16 | maher | asg: i'm using ssh -i on the first connection - but I want to use the same key on the second connection - is this waht -A is for? |
| 01:43.44 | asg | maher: yes, -A will pass if you have the public key on the first box installed on the final box |
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| 01:47.05 | maher | asg: seems to work! great - \thanks a lot! |
| 01:47.14 | adv | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 01:47.19 | adv | i get that, why? |
| 01:48.13 | dcnoye | you need to install the keyring |
| 01:48.20 | dcnoye | are you using backports ? |
| 01:48.51 | Nyle | hi there |
| 01:49.42 | Nyle | adv, u need the gpg keys to verify those packets are authentic |
| 01:50.13 | Nyle | the package provider should have his key on his website or wherever you got the packagfes from |
| 01:50.25 | Nyle | if its just debian, then /msg dpkg no public key |
| 01:50.25 | adv | Nyle: it's from the original repos |
| 01:50.26 | Nyle | maybe |
| 01:50.51 | Nyle | topic |
| 01:50.59 | adv | i have non-free added |
| 01:51.32 | Nyle | what package anywat |
| 01:51.36 | Nyle | which? |
| 01:51.54 | adv | aptitude install sasl2-bin |
| 01:52.13 | Nyle | !info sasl2-bin |
| 01:52.17 | dpkg | sasl2-bin: (Cyrus SASL - administration programs for SASL users database), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1.22.dfsg1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 01:52.36 | Nyle | !info sasl2-bin etch |
| 01:53.02 | dpkg | sasl2-bin: (Administration programs for SASL users database), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 120 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 01:53.42 | Nyle | what do you have in sources list |
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| 01:54.13 | dcnoye | adv: btw, i tried env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install package, and had no prompting problems |
| 01:54.50 | Nyle | dcnoye, thats not healthy |
| 01:54.55 | adv | dcnoye: maybe it's because of that warning msg i get |
| 01:55.15 | dcnoye | Nyle: why ? |
| 01:55.30 | Nyle | do u know wut it duz? |
| 01:55.37 | adv | http://pastebin.ca/1042499 |
| 01:55.42 | adv | @ Nyle ^ |
| 01:56.12 | dcnoye | it installs package without prompting. |
| 01:56.20 | dcnoye | g2g :D |
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| 01:56.51 | Nyle | adv, hmm |
| 01:57.02 | Nyle | im not so usre whats up |
| 01:57.15 | Nyle | u can still use the package but i wouldn't |
| 01:57.21 | Nyle | unti;l i get keys |
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| 01:58.06 | Nyle | + i hv totype lik dis cuz my fingers r knee deep in chicken wings |
| 01:58.18 | Nyle | short-shorthand |
| 02:00.05 | Lokii- | !info smc |
| 02:00.11 | dpkg | smc: (a Jump and Run game like Super Mario World written in C++), section games, is optional. Version: 1.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 567 kB, Installed size: 1500 kB |
| 02:00.37 | Nyle | ahhhhh/1 |
| 02:00.42 | Nyle | dont remind ofmthis game! |
| 02:00.48 | Lokii- | hehehe |
| 02:00.51 | Nyle | i spent 70+ days in packaging |
| 02:00.53 | Nyle | gaj |
| 02:00.55 | Nyle | asjdkflajf |
| 02:01.13 | Lokii- | its not a bad game |
| 02:01.31 | Lokii- | controls are bit tooooooo touchy though |
| 02:01.41 | Nyle | use a 10$ joypad |
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| 02:02.06 | Lokii- | bah i have a pc cause i don't like consoles |
| 02:02.16 | Lokii- | i'm not even a mario fan |
| 02:02.24 | cjg_ | Irssi: Couldn't find a valid XMMS-InfoPipe FIFO. |
| 02:02.27 | cjg_ | whats this mean? |
| 02:02.39 | Lokii- | but wolfenstien enemy terretory doesn't seem to wanna give me audio |
| 02:03.26 | Nyle | what! |
| 02:03.28 | Nyle | not a mario fan? |
| 02:03.33 | Nyle | man go away |
| 02:03.34 | Nyle | :/ |
| 02:03.47 | Lokii- | haha |
| 02:03.51 | Lokii- | never diud like mario |
| 02:03.52 | Nyle | but mario is so loveable and cute |
| 02:03.54 | Lokii- | -u |
| 02:03.59 | Nyle | oh you suck bigtime! |
| 02:04.07 | Lokii- | don't like sonic either |
| 02:04.12 | Nyle | yeh fuck sonic |
| 02:04.21 | Nyle | but Mario is the shizboo |
| 02:05.00 | Nyle | Lokii-, I game on windows mostly |
| 02:05.21 | Nyle | I've done tried to figure out how to make my fav games work, so ... |
| 02:05.44 | Nyle | I'm done trying to* wow my whole sentence was like in a weird tense |
| 02:05.52 | Lokii- | <!3 nintendo || <!3 sega && appropriate_related_corporate_titles_from_said_consoles |
| 02:06.12 | Nyle | you gotta like doom |
| 02:06.14 | Nyle | c'mon |
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| 02:06.25 | Nyle | at least that? |
| 02:06.31 | Nyle | commander keen c'mon |
| 02:06.32 | Lokii- | ID != nintendo/sega |
| 02:06.35 | jahshua | hello, anyone in here running amd64? |
| 02:06.41 | Nyle | don't tellm e you don't like Duke Nukem 2 |
| 02:06.50 | Nyle | jahshua, sure many people |
| 02:06.50 | Lokii- | i loved doom games |
| 02:06.54 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 02:06.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:06.57 | jahshua | just wondering, do you think it would be okay to i386 install cd? |
| 02:06.57 | Lokii- | duke nukem 3d |
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| 02:07.17 | Lokii- | joshua |
| 02:07.17 | jahshua | the amd64 cd does not have a driver for my ethernet. |
| 02:07.19 | Lokii- | ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 8.04 - hardy Kernel: 2.6.24-17-generic, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 1.4.0.90 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.4 |
| 02:07.20 | Nyle | I don't know, I've never owned AMD machines |
| 02:07.29 | Lokii- | err |
| 02:07.31 | Lokii- | ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: 4 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz Speed: 1400.000 MHz Cache: 2048 KB ] | RAM Usage: 501/2075M [|||||||||||] ( 24.1% ) | [ HD Model: Western Digital WD5000KSRTL Size: 108Gb with 64Gb Free ( 59.3% ) ] | Number of process: 140 |
| 02:07.33 | Nyle | but as i understand it, it should work |
| 02:07.41 | Nyle | ouch p4 |
| 02:07.41 | maher | jahshua: yes it should be ok |
| 02:07.49 | Lokii- | lols this pc was given too me |
| 02:07.51 | jahshua | Lokii-: i cannot get stupid ubuntu to work with my wireless cad. |
| 02:08.02 | Nyle | jahshua, this is #debian ... |
| 02:08.08 | Lokii- | loool |
| 02:08.08 | jahshua | card* |
| 02:08.11 | Lokii- | no kidding |
| 02:08.12 | jahshua | Nyle: yes, i know. |
| 02:08.15 | Nyle | just making sure |
| 02:08.21 | jahshua | np |
| 02:08.25 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:08.27 | Lokii- | Nyle |
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| 02:08.33 | Lokii- | you wanna see something funny ? |
| 02:08.34 | Nyle | thats me |
| 02:08.40 | Nyle | Lokii-, I dunno |
| 02:08.45 | Nyle | let me think about it |
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| 02:08.57 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:09.10 | BubbaT | Don't know if who was around here is still around, but tcpdump doesn't show anything for the ping. |
| 02:09.21 | Lokii- | <`RaSh> how do i install linux i got the cd and i dont see the setup.exe or install.exe |
| 02:09.35 | Lokii- | :D |
| 02:09.40 | Nyle | thats not funny |
| 02:09.44 | Nyle | I feel bad for the little guy |
| 02:09.46 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:09.47 | Nyle | awe |
| 02:09.48 | Lokii- | tbh its pretty sad |
| 02:09.58 | Nyle | yes that it is |
| 02:10.09 | Nyle | actually there is a ... |
| 02:10.11 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 02:10.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 02:10.29 | Lokii- | wowzers |
| 02:10.34 | Lokii- | in5tense |
| 02:10.37 | jahshua | yeah i have always wanted to try that. |
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| 02:11.17 | Lokii- | i ned to build a new pc which i'll experiment with lotsa diff distros before settling on windows as it's being built as a gaming p[latform |
| 02:11.34 | Nyle | jahshua, but I think the ubuntu people think they "WIN" with that "WUBI" crap |
| 02:11.35 | Lokii- | this pc here is my rock solid online workstation |
| 02:11.43 | jahshua | heh |
| 02:11.44 | Nyle | going through an FS layer fucking slow as balls system |
| 02:11.57 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 02:12.06 | Lokii- | talking about the live installer ? |
| 02:12.10 | Nyle | no |
| 02:12.49 | Lokii- | one thing i really can't get over that they did was the move to pulseaudio |
| 02:12.50 | Nyle | Lokii-, WUBI for MS Windows |
| 02:13.03 | Nyle | pulse is nice I been using since sarge |
| 02:13.09 | Lokii- | pulseaudio shit doesn't work worth ass |
| 02:13.25 | Nyle | perhaps it is your shortcoming and not the software? |
| 02:13.26 | Lokii- | pardon the language |
| 02:13.59 | Nyle | Lokii-, I like ass |
| 02:14.17 | Lokii- | very well could be but i can't seem to get more then 1 application to be able to use the audio channels at any one time |
| 02:14.17 | cast | moves away from Nyle |
| 02:14.24 | Nyle | cast, female! only.. c'mon |
| 02:14.27 | Lokii- | i like ass too |
| 02:14.39 | Nyle | cast, thought it was a given... cute though.. prick ;) |
| 02:14.53 | Lokii- | but erm were mo0ving onto the wrong subject here |
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| 02:15.01 | Nyle | mo0ving yes |
| 02:15.05 | Lokii- | haha |
| 02:15.16 | Lokii- | love them heffers |
| 02:15.31 | Lokii- | more asss then you can handle |
| 02:15.35 | Nyle | Lokii-, no need for audio servers unless you need it for a certain program that JUST won't work nice with alsa |
| 02:15.40 | Nyle | hydrogen for example |
| 02:15.47 | Nyle | if arts if off it will hog the sound card |
| 02:15.56 | Nyle | but anyway, alsa does software mixing |
| 02:16.00 | Nyle | !dmix |
| 02:16.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 02:17.02 | adv | Nyle: so what's wrong with my sources.list/ |
| 02:17.04 | adv | ? |
| 02:17.07 | Nyle | adv, nothing |
| 02:17.11 | Nyle | its fine |
| 02:17.22 | Nyle | !no public key |
| 02:17.22 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 02:17.42 | Nyle | no clue man, why your packages not being verified |
| 02:17.52 | adv | what should i do? |
| 02:18.01 | Nyle | you want an honest answer? |
| 02:18.06 | cast | 'NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing.' aka debian stable |
| 02:18.09 | Nyle | wait until someone else answers |
| 02:18.16 | Nyle | its rc2 eh |
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| 02:18.54 | Lokii- | not sure which version of alsa i got how do i check ? |
| 02:18.55 | Nyle | its been in there actually since 0.9.1 |
| 02:19.02 | Nyle | iirc during the days of sare |
| 02:19.04 | Nyle | sarge |
| 02:19.52 | Nyle | Lokii-, which application is it? |
| 02:20.05 | Lokii- | wha ? |
| 02:20.17 | Nyle | you are having sound issues ? |
| 02:20.17 | Lokii- | dist you mea n? |
| 02:20.29 | Nyle | for which app you actually need a sound server? |
| 02:20.45 | Lokii- | i have sound issues between totem vlc ff and amarok none will run at the same time |
| 02:20.51 | Nyle | I have not had to use one in years and I do all sorts of multimedia music production |
| 02:21.03 | Nyle | I have a debian studio well I actually use jack now for the apps I use now |
| 02:21.04 | cast | hmm |
| 02:21.20 | cast | i can play 2 copies of mpg321 at once, but when i try with mplayer i can't :( |
| 02:21.21 | Lokii- | but if i close all but 1 and run just the one |
| 02:21.27 | Lokii- | i have np with sound for that one |
| 02:21.28 | Nyle | but for http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 (check the quality btw) I used no sound servers |
| 02:21.31 | Nyle | at all |
| 02:21.35 | Nyle | alsa handled it all for me |
| 02:21.38 | Lokii- | but say i wanna go from vlc to a youtube vid |
| 02:21.41 | Lokii- | i have to close vlc |
| 02:21.47 | Nyle | ouch |
| 02:21.48 | Lokii- | then open ff and nav to my link |
| 02:21.52 | Nyle | yeh i don't have to do taht |
| 02:21.57 | Nyle | I got NO sound servers, only alsa |
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| 02:22.02 | Nyle | I keep arts disabled completely |
| 02:22.06 | Lokii- | using alsa too btw |
| 02:22.06 | Nyle | (kde user) |
| 02:22.09 | cast | Nyle: yeah...as i understand it that was one of the great innovations of alsa over oss |
| 02:22.11 | Lokii- | gnome here |
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| 02:22.28 | Nyle | cast, quite |
| 02:22.44 | Lokii- | i run hardy atm |
| 02:22.50 | Nyle | you suck. |
| 02:22.59 | cast | but i dunno if two programs using alsa's oss emulation can both use the card, hmm, because for some reason mplayer won't! |
| 02:23.03 | Nyle | you run hardy hardon? |
| 02:23.05 | Nyle | hahaha ;D |
| 02:23.28 | Lokii- | i had some installation problems with deb so i went with what ran and setup right away |
| 02:23.31 | Nyle | cast, surprisingly the only app that gives me shit is Hydrogen |
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| 02:23.49 | Lokii- | Nyle yeah LoL i wish i didn't |
| 02:23.50 | Nyle | other than that, I can have youtube and mplayer and amarok and friggin open gl game in a window like doom |
| 02:23.55 | Nyle | its all good |
| 02:23.56 | Lokii- | i did the dist upgrade from 7.01 |
| 02:24.05 | Lokii- | and have regretted it from that day forward |
| 02:24.08 | Nyle | Lokii-, oh dude get out of my sight! |
| 02:24.09 | cast | ok if i run mplayer with -ao alsa i can run multiple copies at once, if i run it with -ao oss i can't |
| 02:24.09 | Nyle | :) |
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| 02:24.19 | Nyle | cast, well yeah |
| 02:24.23 | Nyle | obviously :) |
| 02:24.44 | cast | not obviously. |
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| 02:24.49 | Nyle | you don't know why? |
| 02:24.53 | Nyle | you are serious? |
| 02:24.55 | markybob | yes obviously. that was one of the main reasons for alsa in the first place |
| 02:24.58 | cast | because the oss is through alsa isn't it :P |
| 02:25.04 | Nyle | smacks cast |
| 02:25.15 | Nyle | siddown! boy! :) j/k |
| 02:25.36 | Nyle | hey no but seriously listen to markybob |
| 02:25.36 | Lokii- | i think i may switch back to deb pretty soon here |
| 02:25.55 | Nyle | Lokii-, do it tonight |
| 02:25.56 | Nyle | before you sleep |
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| 02:26.12 | Lokii- | ya'll know more then them guys over there do and its more friendly environment here |
| 02:26.15 | Lokii- | Nyle |
| 02:26.23 | Nyle | thats bes me |
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| 02:26.30 | Nyle | what can i do you for |
| 02:26.38 | Lokii- | i'd need todo alot of backing up |
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| 02:27.10 | Nyle | you switch cuz you want to, not cuz i say so... :) |
| 02:27.11 | cast | i have oss-compat installed, assuming its working, i thought it would just provide a compatibility layer for apps expecting oss around alsa? |
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| 02:27.46 | markybob | cast, it does, but an app will still block /dev/dsp |
| 02:27.59 | Lokii- | i already said i wanted to |
| 02:27.59 | Lokii- | but i have a shit load of vital info on here i need to backup |
| 02:28.14 | Nyle | !backup |
| 02:28.14 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 02:28.24 | cast | is this blocking something written into the app or the oss compatibility layer? |
| 02:28.37 | markybob | it's oss |
| 02:28.45 | markybob | you could use snd-pcm-oss and you'd see the same thing |
| 02:28.54 | Lokii- | is there anything in gnome that i couls use as a file and settings backup ? |
| 02:28.54 | Lokii- | i got a 2TB smb mount i can echo everything i need to keep to |
| 02:29.15 | Nyle | you got me beat by .5 TB |
| 02:29.17 | cast | i do use snd_pcm_oss, is what i'm getting at |
| 02:29.56 | markybob | you should've been more specific. "oss compat" i assumed you meant alsa-oss package |
| 02:30.03 | markybob | or oss-compact |
| 02:30.08 | markybob | which != snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:30.19 | markybob | but they all block, so it doesnt matter |
| 02:30.44 | Lokii- | glak elves == jib-tek warriors ?? |
| 02:30.44 | Lokii- | lo |
| 02:30.55 | cast | hmm |
| 02:30.57 | cast | now i'm confused |
| 02:31.07 | cast | i have oss-compact, but i see snd-pcm-oss is loaded! |
| 02:31.12 | markybob | stop using oss. there. no longer confused |
| 02:31.14 | cast | ahh it doesn't matter. i have sond. |
| 02:31.19 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 02:31.27 | Nyle | you da man |
| 02:31.39 | Lokii- | i got alsa-oss installed here too !!!!!!!! |
| 02:31.39 | Lokii- | LoL |
| 02:31.43 | cast | for the first half year i was using linux i didn't have sound :\ |
| 02:31.52 | markybob | damn |
| 02:31.53 | cast | got a radio instead |
| 02:31.56 | Nyle | cast, for the first year I didn't have X |
| 02:32.02 | Nyle | or sound |
| 02:32.09 | Nyle | or anything for that matter until like 1996 |
| 02:32.17 | Nyle | then i got X to work |
| 02:32.21 | cast | and we liked it! |
| 02:32.25 | Nyle | june 14th 1996 |
| 02:32.34 | Lokii- | that sucks |
| 02:32.34 | Lokii- | sounds like my first time trying linux and installing mandrake |
| 02:32.34 | Lokii- | shudders |
| 02:32.42 | cast | then people install linux and expect their weirdo wireless card and usb printer/scanner/fax to work :| |
| 02:33.29 | Lokii- | LoL Nyle |
| 02:33.29 | Lokii- | i prefer todo sh*t in term myself |
| 02:33.29 | Lokii- | its more relaxing |
| 02:34.06 | Nyle | I had a huge book on linux in 1994 |
| 02:34.21 | Nyle | came with 1 cd i couldn't get it to work quite right |
| 02:34.24 | Lokii- | windows open all over gets me claustrophobic |
| 02:34.25 | Lokii- | start to hyper ventilate |
| 02:34.25 | Lokii- | and get panicky |
| 02:34.41 | Nyle | theni got another book in 1995 that had 3 diff linux distros in it |
| 02:34.50 | Nyle | mandrake i thin, caldera i believe and redhat |
| 02:34.58 | Nyle | no slackware, caldera and redhat |
| 02:35.12 | Nyle | thats when I full time started using linux |
| 02:35.18 | Nyle | but cli only |
| 02:35.19 | Lokii- | LoL i member installin FreeBSD on my desktop and trying to startx |
| 02:35.20 | Lokii- | ;X |
| 02:35.29 | Nyle | then in 96 redhat had a good installation system so i got X to work |
| 02:35.39 | Nyle | then in 2001 i discoverd debian |
| 02:35.41 | Nyle | and well, here I am |
| 02:35.51 | enouf | says "my member" jus for a luagh |
| 02:36.13 | Nyle | enouf, hows that funny ol' timer |
| 02:36.15 | Lokii- | my old system was a powerhouse but forsome reasopn to this day i can't figure out redhat would install fine and then not work |
| 02:36.29 | Lokii- | think it didn't like my OC'd ati 9800 PRO AIW card |
| 02:36.39 | Nyle | Lokii-, same kinda deal here with me |
| 02:37.10 | Lokii- | "my member" == my penis |
| 02:37.16 | cast | nice. got mplayer working with my sound card decently now [that doesn't have a pcm channel in alsamixer :|] |
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| 02:37.27 | enouf | well, if you stop typing so much, and stop hitting enter, maybe you'd get the reference ;-) |
| 02:37.59 | Nyle | Lokii-, I have a C2D E6300 (originally at 1866 MHz). Stock fully stable on etch 32bit/amd64 and sid 32bit/amd64. Then when I OC it to 3500MHz, etch 32bit is stable, etch amd64 bit is unstable, sid 32/amd64 is stable. |
| 02:38.11 | Nyle | I guess etch amd64 doesnt like my OC'd cpu |
| 02:38.12 | enouf | my member FreeBSD too ;-) |
| 02:38.26 | Nyle | enouf, I'm a crackhead. |
| 02:38.37 | Nyle | no |
| 02:38.39 | Nyle | wrong term |
| 02:38.40 | enouf | welcome toi the party |
| 02:38.41 | Nyle | crackpot |
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| 02:38.46 | Nyle | i don't use crack |
| 02:38.52 | cast | it uses you |
| 02:39.03 | enouf | i don't use it either, i smoke it |
| 02:39.10 | Nyle | no actually I havne't used any substances in almost 2 months i think or more |
| 02:39.43 | Nyle | I'm very much gooder now |
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| 02:39.58 | Lokii- | Nyle was either that or it didn't like my lappy AMD Barton 2500+ Mobile cpu stuck in a desktop with my soldered pins FSB reclocked from 133mhz to 245mhz multiplier from 16 to 14 |
| 02:40.12 | enouf | but .. substances just work [tm] |
| 02:40.34 | cast | my 2500+ barton was unlocked stock :P |
| 02:40.35 | Nyle | enouf, *narcotics* |
| 02:40.50 | Lokii- | thing had a rating of 4800+ WHEN I WAS DONE |
| 02:40.51 | Lokii- | OR THERE ABOUTS |
| 02:40.58 | Nyle | Lokii-, I have pushed this E6300 core 2 duo to 4.0GHz. |
| 02:41.10 | Nyle | from 1866mhz to 4000mhz |
| 02:41.12 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:41.21 | cjg_ | Irssi: Couldn't find a valid XMMS-InfoPipe FIFO. |
| 02:41.21 | cjg_ | whats this mean? |
| 02:41.22 | gnat_x_ | i'm trying to dl a lenny netinst image and i'm getting a 404 to the link from the page on on debian.org |
| 02:41.46 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 02:41.46 | Lokii- | multiplier is always unlocked stockj on a mobile cpu |
| 02:41.46 | Lokii- | but not the fsb |
| 02:41.49 | Lokii- | fsb i had to unlock by soldering 2 poins on the underside real careful like |
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| 02:42.19 | enouf | cjg_: guessing, you need a certain xmms2-plugin pkg |
| 02:42.23 | cafuego | kept the same speed but soldered on 2 extra cores. Now my 6300 is like a 6600. |
| 02:42.31 | Nyle | The requested URL /cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso was not found on this server. |
| 02:42.35 | kuber | yeah. weird. |
| 02:42.41 | Lokii- | Nyle my next pc is gonna be 2x AMD FX-74's |
| 02:42.41 | Lokii- | 2 cpu's 4cores |
| 02:42.41 | Lokii- | 3.0ghz each |
| 02:42.42 | Lokii- | and see what i can clock that beast too |
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| 02:43.04 | ih2oi | Hello all. |
| 02:43.11 | gnat_x_ | Nyle: yep that's what i'm getting |
| 02:43.11 | cafuego | sensible bot |
| 02:43.32 | Nyle | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:43.38 | Nyle | use the daily iso |
| 02:43.43 | Nyle | if you want. |
| 02:43.48 | ih2oi | I have a quick question. When I installed Debian on my computer I messed up grub so it couldn't find my xp install. however it said I could later modify something so that it could find XP. |
| 02:43.54 | gnat_x_ | Nyle: thanks - i'll give it a shot. |
| 02:43.58 | Nyle | sure |
| 02:44.08 | Nyle | ih2oi, yes |
| 02:44.18 | Nyle | ih2oi, man update-grub |
| 02:44.23 | ih2oi | What exactly is it I would modify, and how would I go about it (A guide would probably suffice) |
| 02:44.28 | cafuego | ]/win 28 |
| 02:44.31 | Nyle | it should find it |
| 02:44.53 | kuber | wow 28 irc windows? :) |
| 02:44.54 | Nyle | if not, you must edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and manually make an entry and chainload it to the ntldr |
| 02:45.06 | cafuego | kuber: yeah, not all channels though, a lot of privmsg |
| 02:45.10 | kuber | ah. |
| 02:45.20 | cafuego | well, 1 actually |
| 02:45.25 | Nyle | haha |
| 02:45.35 | Nyle | cafuego, wow lots of things to chat abotu eh |
| 02:45.51 | cafuego | Nyle: Nah, just lots of places to idle with different people. |
| 02:45.56 | Nyle | word |
| 02:46.09 | ih2oi | Looks like I'll have to edit /boot/grub... Didn't seem to find it when I did update-grub. |
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| 02:46.22 | Lokii- | now if ya'll excume me i need to call a ..... girl .... yes a live one.... with boobs |
| 02:46.34 | Nyle | cafuego, #luser |
| 02:46.35 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:46.37 | enouf | ih2oi: see the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst . the comments/examples for wintendos - and http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 02:46.41 | cast | Lokii-: tell her i said hi |
| 02:46.47 | cafuego | Lokii-: As if a dead one wold answer the phone . pff. |
| 02:46.56 | Nyle | with boobs? |
| 02:46.58 | kuber | Lokii-: nice of you to give your mother a sunday phone call. |
| 02:47.06 | cafuego | Nyle: nah |
| 02:47.08 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 02:47.14 | Nyle | damn. burn. |
| 02:47.20 | ih2oi | enouf: Thanks. |
| 02:47.34 | Nyle | actually |
| 02:47.41 | Nyle | there is an example in the grub package |
| 02:48.02 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:48.13 | Nyle | iirc |
| 02:48.23 | ih2oi | Ugg, I need to get off KDE. It drives me insane. >_< |
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| 02:48.37 | dbmoodb | hi any one got an idea how i can reset my cdrom drive ... i can't flash it under linux it seems only a win binary ... or is it possible from wine ? |
| 02:48.55 | Nyle | ih2oi, WHAT! |
| 02:48.57 | dbmoodb | i don't care about the drive much i have another waiting to take its place if it dies |
| 02:48.58 | Nyle | kde is awesome. |
| 02:49.02 | enouf | ih2oi: install links2 be happy |
| 02:49.14 | Nyle | links2 -g ftfw! |
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| 02:49.29 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 02:49.29 | dpkg | from memory, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 02:49.33 | ih2oi | Haha, well I do enjoy KDE. I'm less than used to navigating it. |
| 02:49.44 | Nyle | I can't live without KDE |
| 02:50.04 | enouf | you can't navigate it |
| 02:50.17 | enouf | it pwms you |
| 02:50.21 | ih2oi | Well, not like.. I can't find stuff.. it's just not natural to me. |
| 02:50.25 | cafuego | it makes easy things hard and hard things not fun |
| 02:50.26 | Nyle | man I navigate everything with my uhmm... the great tool. |
| 02:50.29 | Nyle | I get around. |
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| 02:50.46 | Nyle | I beg to differ fellas. |
| 02:50.58 | kuber | i really like gnome and gnome-do |
| 02:51.03 | BubbaT | You must have a lot of room to manouver |
| 02:51.13 | Nyle | D: |
| 02:51.31 | enouf | dbmoodb: see freedos and firmware from liggydee |
| 02:51.38 | dbmoodb | freedos ? |
| 02:51.44 | Nyle | dos which is free |
| 02:51.48 | Nyle | !freedos |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | i guess freedos is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, at http://www.freedos.org/, or now FreeDOS can run loadlin Violates the Principle of Least Surprise. After booting it, it won't see files that you copied to A:. |
| 02:51.53 | dbmoodb | sure but ... the firmware ? |
| 02:52.01 | enouf | ... |
| 02:52.05 | enouf | !bin |
| 02:52.05 | dpkg | bin is, like, where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 02:52.11 | dbmoodb | oh nice |
| 02:52.13 | enouf | lmao |
| 02:52.40 | dbmoodb | so i just shove on of these on a disk i take it ? |
| 02:52.54 | Lokii- | cast will do... btw i dunno your name and as for cafuego and kuber your just jealous as your "women" have an air nozzle on them. :) |
| 02:53.08 | Nyle | Lokii-, ? |
| 02:53.13 | Nyle | air nozzle? |
| 02:53.18 | Nyle | ...the fuck? |
| 02:53.34 | dbmoodb | enouf: there isn't one for my model |
| 02:53.40 | ih2oi | He's saying you like blow up dolls. |
| 02:53.45 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:53.53 | Nyle | ohhhh gawd what a horrible joke :( |
| 02:54.01 | enouf | dbmoodb: then you're fucked - or find one for your model |
| 02:54.02 | Nyle | I have a blowup sheehp someone gave me on my birthday |
| 02:54.03 | BubbaT | Ok. I have a problem with a new computer, I can ping myself, I can ping other computers on the network, but I cannot ping computers on the net even by IP. I get a "Network is unreachable" message and tcpdump doesn't show anything sent. |
| 02:54.08 | Nyle | I have it blown up and on my shelf. |
| 02:54.14 | ih2oi | It didn't go over your head.. it just sunk before it reached you. |
| 02:54.20 | dbmoodb | i found a utility for my model so just shove freedos on a usb / floppy and use that ? |
| 02:54.31 | Nyle | dbmoodb, sounds right |
| 02:54.34 | enouf | depends |
| 02:54.37 | Lokii- | cafuego i guess the upside for you is they don't talk back ;p |
| 02:54.37 | Lokii- | LoL nyle |
| 02:54.37 | Lokii- | little slow |
| 02:54.38 | Nyle | dbmoodb, boot with a freedos disk |
| 02:54.47 | enouf | yes |
| 02:55.05 | Nyle | enouf, I was afraid he'd install the friggin freedos package. |
| 02:55.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:55.13 | enouf | who cares |
| 02:55.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:55.22 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:55.26 | BubbaT | It's bad enough when you have to resort to sheep, it just sad when you have to resort tyo blowup sheep. |
| 02:55.27 | Nyle | sinister much tonight. |
| 02:55.35 | Lokii- | brb |
| 02:55.36 | Nyle | BubbaT, hahaha |
| 02:55.49 | ih2oi | Man am I ever lazy. |
| 02:55.49 | enouf | he's trying tio fry his dead optical drive |
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| 02:55.51 | Nyle | BubbaT, that shit can sit on your shelf only so long before you just HAVE to use it. |
| 02:56.14 | Nyle | enouf, what? who? why? |
| 02:56.38 | enouf | but i've also done that |
| 02:56.44 | Nyle | enouf, what? blow up sheep? |
| 02:56.45 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:56.47 | ih2oi | I used to live in an apartment building.. these two (Rather creepy) guys were moving in one day. Looked out the window and there was a blow up sheep on top of the guys car as he was unloading his stuff. |
| 02:56.53 | enouf | !moo |
| 02:56.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 02:56.58 | enouf | !bah |
| 02:56.58 | dpkg | methinks bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 02:57.16 | Nyle | who even says bah |
| 02:57.20 | cafuego | bah |
| 02:57.21 | ih2oi | !heh |
| 02:57.21 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
| 02:57.24 | Nyle | i've never heard anyone in real life say that |
| 02:57.32 | Nyle | ever. |
| 02:57.37 | enouf | !sheeple |
| 02:57.37 | dpkg | sheeple is probably mindless drones who follow the herd.... |
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| 02:57.54 | ih2oi | Nyle: Come to Central Minnesota... |
| 02:57.58 | ih2oi | I hear it plenty. |
| 02:58.06 | Nyle | sheeple under a steeple == completely fucked people |
| 02:58.11 | Nyle | :D I made a funny rhyme |
| 02:58.30 | enouf | !win Nyle |
| 02:58.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, Nyle! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:58.33 | Nyle | ih2oi, what? redneckville? |
| 02:58.54 | ih2oi | Nyle: You must have watched Fargo? |
| 02:58.58 | Nyle | no |
| 02:59.03 | Nyle | the mighty fuckers |
| 02:59.05 | Nyle | the ducks. |
| 02:59.18 | ih2oi | Plenty of farmers, but not so much rednecks. |
| 02:59.23 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:59.36 | Nyle | im pakistani but grew up in louisiana |
| 02:59.49 | ih2oi | The difference being the farmers here have 40 thousand dollar cars and a couple million in farm equipment. |
| 03:00.06 | Nyle | we got farmers that spit chew. |
| 03:00.09 | ih2oi | Really big, really nice houses.. etc.. |
| 03:00.10 | enouf | rednecks are most;ly southern appalacian trailer trash |
| 03:00.14 | Nyle | drive beat up trucks n such. |
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| 03:00.31 | Nyle | i like rednecks |
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| 03:00.37 | Nyle | some of my good friends are total rednecks |
| 03:00.39 | Nyle | great guys |
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| 03:00.52 | ih2oi | I will point out that the term hillbilly originated from the Hatfields and McCoy family fued. And I do have relations to the Hatfields. |
| 03:00.56 | Nyle | stereotypical rednecks but awesome |
| 03:01.14 | benjamindees | you know freenode really shouldn't be setup as "ubuntu servers" in debian... |
| 03:01.16 | ih2oi | Although I live with my father, and take his name. Most people just think I'm some hard working fella with roots in Missouri :d |
| 03:01.16 | Lokii- | !heh |
| 03:01.17 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
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| 03:01.50 | Nyle | eats another wing |
| 03:01.57 | Lokii- | << skinhead |
| 03:01.57 | Lokii- | but i'm not racist |
| 03:02.00 | Lokii- | \i hate everyone equally |
| 03:02.19 | enouf | people suck |
| 03:02.22 | Nyle | thats is what I used to say |
| 03:02.25 | enouf | animals ftw |
| 03:02.32 | ih2oi | I spend every day of my life promoting world peace and equality for every single human being as a human being. |
| 03:02.32 | Nyle | but then I realized hating takes too much energy and thought and time |
| 03:02.34 | Nyle | so fuck it |
| 03:02.39 | Nyle | be indifferent/apathetic |
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| 03:02.41 | Nyle | fuck hating or loving |
| 03:02.44 | Nyle | just be. |
| 03:03.10 | enouf | hump the sheeple and be happy ;-) |
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| 03:04.04 | enouf | Nyle: you are a wise person .. and are showing it moreso, everytime i see you |
| 03:04.24 | cafuego | enouf: that's the weed talking |
| 03:04.29 | Nyle | its called growing up son |
| 03:04.32 | enouf | yes |
| 03:04.38 | Nyle | ana sobriety |
| 03:04.41 | Nyle | and |
| 03:04.43 | enouf | grow that weed son |
| 03:04.50 | Nyle | nah |
| 03:04.54 | Nyle | im done |
| 03:04.57 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:05.02 | Nyle | i dont enjoy it anymore |
| 03:05.08 | enouf | not you - it was a conglomeration |
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| 03:05.50 | Nyle | enouf, im not as wise as i'd like |
| 03:05.52 | enouf | except without CCCP corporate protection |
| 03:06.00 | Nyle | but thanks |
| 03:06.10 | Nyle | s/but/amd |
| 03:06.14 | Nyle | and |
| 03:06.16 | enouf | i like what i hear from you about anger |
| 03:06.22 | enouf | so be it |
| 03:06.25 | Nyle | dude |
| 03:06.33 | Nyle | dont start |
| 03:06.34 | enouf | sHADDUP |
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| 03:06.37 | Nyle | i was just playing wid you |
| 03:06.43 | Nyle | i wasn't gonna really hurt him |
| 03:06.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:06.48 | Nyle | just rough him up a little |
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| 03:06.50 | enouf | friggin caps |
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| 03:07.52 | Nyle | still kiddin.. relax |
| 03:07.54 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 03:10.27 | keith4_ | someone using lenny, tell me if you can install linux-kbuild-2.6.22, or if it's just me |
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| 03:12.44 | benjamindees | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-kbuild-2.6.24 |
| 03:12.54 | keith4_ | yah, that's what I was afraid of |
| 03:14.00 | keith4_ | so... on a system running 2.6.22-3-vserver-686, I can't use module assistant, because I can't get linux-kbuild-2.6.22 |
| 03:14.00 | keith4_ | and there isn't a vserver-patched kernel package for 2.6.24 |
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| 03:14.46 | benjamindees | archives? |
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| 03:15.53 | BubbaT | How can i configure the routing table? |
| 03:15.54 | Nyle | !sdn |
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| 03:16.33 | benjamindees | man route |
| 03:17.07 | benjamindees | or man ip |
| 03:17.12 | BubbaT | benjamindees, I do not believe route survives reboot. |
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| 03:24.01 | hark | SQLDarkly: add contrib to your sources.list |
| 03:24.02 | ninjaslim | i've used FreeBSD and Gentoo extensively and gotte in the habit of tinkering, what do Debian folks do in the tinkering deparment optimizations anything like that |
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| 03:36.02 | Nyle | dpkg, ping |
| 03:36.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:36.06 | Nyle | !sdn |
| 03:36.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 03:36.12 | Nyle | so wtf was up before... |
| 03:36.21 | Nyle | idiot bot :) |
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| 03:38.20 | nixfreak | can't get flash 9 to work on iceweasel libflashplayer.so trying to install flash player 9 to iceweasel |
| 03:38.46 | Nyle | nixfreak, be more specific |
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| 03:38.47 | Guanja45 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) |
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| 03:39.07 | Nyle | argh. |
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| 03:39.29 | nixfreak | can't get flash player 9 to work with iceweasel the flashplayer plugin is in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 03:39.33 | Lokii- | hrm |
| 03:39.36 | Lokii- | just found something to save up for |
| 03:39.51 | nixfreak | but everytime I go to a flash 9 site says I need to download the player |
| 03:40.30 | Lokii- | Nyle, http://cgi.ebay.com/10PB-10-PETABYTE-STORAGE-CLUSTER-NAS-SAN-1000TB-INTEL_W0QQitemZ310038983678QQcmdZViewItem |
| 03:40.45 | Decepticon | is a dell vostro 400 a good computer to use as a template for a future htpc w/ mythv on linux? |
| 03:40.47 | Nyle | how much |
| 03:41.10 | Nyle | Decepticon, try #mythtv |
| 03:41.23 | Nyle | Decepticon, this is #debian... |
| 03:41.45 | dryrot | is EVMS dead? |
| 03:41.46 | Decepticon | i mean in terms of hardware compatibility, is the dell vostro a good template, will debian fart on me |
| 03:41.58 | Nyle | Decepticon, now thats a good question :) |
| 03:42.07 | Decepticon | Nyle, i can pick and choose the later hardware needed for mythtv, appropriately after doing research |
| 03:42.10 | Decepticon | thats not the issue |
| 03:42.18 | Decepticon | the issue is that the hardware thats already in the vostro 400 |
| 03:42.25 | Nyle | Decepticon, just build your own |
| 03:42.30 | Nyle | its a piece of cake |
| 03:42.42 | Nyle | get a custom case from a site like new egg |
| 03:42.48 | Decepticon | Nyle, it maybe, but i like the cases of dell, i cannot find decent looking cases on newegg |
| 03:42.49 | Nyle | get whatever you want and fully customize it |
| 03:42.57 | Nyle | you gotta be kiddin me |
| 03:43.02 | Nyle | what price range you looking in? |
| 03:43.13 | Decepticon | i dont want to have to spend $300 on cases |
| 03:43.14 | Nyle | expect to spend over 100$ on a good case |
| 03:43.22 | Nyle | about 120-150 |
| 03:43.53 | Nyle | Decepticon, why not, spare no expenses |
| 03:43.55 | Nyle | :) |
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| 03:45.19 | Nyle | Decepticon, google for vostro + debian |
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| 03:45.35 | Nyle | throw in the model # too |
| 03:46.32 | Decepticon | seems like there are some issues with getting a X server to work |
| 03:47.09 | Decepticon | and maybe some ethernet controllers |
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| 03:49.41 | flixil | A good program to see in what parts of a program you can make optimizations? |
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| 03:57.11 | Lokii- | <fn'Nyle> how much || 8mill |
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| 04:26.39 | BubbaT | Where is the configuration file that stores the route table? |
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| 04:28.13 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.13 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.19 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.21 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.38 | morghanphoenix | and where is the kick bot when you need it? |
| 04:28.42 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.46 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.48 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:28.50 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:29.15 | icenine | no way, free mp3s?! |
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| 04:29.57 | Maliuta | some one want to kline that prick |
| 04:30.01 | morghanphoenix | As if spamisn't bad enough when they only hit it once. |
| 04:30.31 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:30.32 | poul | free mp3 on pc10.com.br |
| 04:30.32 | *** kick/#debian [poul!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 04:30.50 | icenine | poul: do you know where I can get free mp3s? |
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| 04:31.21 | fas3r | icenine: :) |
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| 04:32.06 | fas3r | stupid question on eap tls , eap is the method of authentification and tls is the method of encryption ? |
| 04:32.30 | morghanphoenix | What are the other Debian DVDs for? |
| 04:32.56 | morghanphoenix | Trying to decide if I need any of them as well since I'll soon be installing on a networkless device. |
| 04:33.51 | TacoCabana | R u sick and tired of bein in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room dat is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well #Grilled_Pupusa is da place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, TORTILLA SAM. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come 2 #Grilled_Pupusa today. |
| 04:34.07 | TacoCabana | R u sick and tired of bein in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room dat is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well #Grilled_Pupusa is da place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, TORTILLA SAM. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come 2 #Grilled_Pupusa today. |
| 04:34.07 | TacoCabana | R u sick and tired of bein in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room dat is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well #Grilled_Pupusa is da place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, TORTILLA SAM. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come 2 #Grilled_Pupusa today. |
| 04:34.12 | TacoCabana | R u sick and tired of bein in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room dat is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well #Grilled_Pupusa is da place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, TORTILLA SAM. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come 2 #Grilled_Pupusa today. |
| 04:34.17 | TacoCabana | R u sick and tired of bein in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room dat is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well #Grilled_Pupusa is da place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, TORTILLA SAM. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come 2 #Grilled_Pupusa today. |
| 04:34.19 | morghanphoenix | c'mon debhelper, kick that bugger |
| 04:35.17 | Hoxzer | This is just terrible |
| 04:36.19 | Lokii- | !ops |
| 04:36.20 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 04:36.32 | simonrvn | !ops TacoCabana |
| 04:36.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: TacoCabana |
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| 04:36.44 | *** kick/#debian [TacoCabana!i=~m|ptrS|@ppp-70-243-242-141.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
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| 04:36.55 | simonrvn | thank you :) |
| 04:36.57 | Lokii- | dake |
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| 04:37.38 | simonrvn | peterS: poul too |
| 04:37.47 | simonrvn | though it's gone, flooed itself off |
| 04:37.56 | simonrvn | flooded even |
| 04:38.05 | peterS | ah, so I see |
| 04:38.50 | Lokii- | * [fn'poul] (i=poul@189.73.73.49): Poul |
| 04:38.50 | Lokii- | * [fn'poul] irc.freenode.net :Mon Jun 9 04:31:39 2008 |
| 04:38.50 | Lokii- | * fn'poul :End of WHOWAS |
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| 04:39.19 | simonrvn | poul> free mp3 on XXXX.XXXX.XX |
| 04:39.22 | pythonic | can i mlock a tmpfs mount? |
| 04:39.26 | simonrvn | repeatedly... |
| 04:39.37 | peterS | Lokii-, simonrvn: why are you telling me this? |
| 04:40.00 | Lokii- | so you can set a ban |
| 04:40.09 | peterS | <peterS> ah, so I see |
| 04:40.25 | peterS | when I say "so I see", that implies that I see |
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| 04:40.45 | simonrvn | hasn't been back, so no point. |
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| 04:42.44 | Lokii- | siliconviper where in vancouver you from ? |
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| 04:43.13 | SiliconViper | Lokii-, Coquitlam. |
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| 04:43.32 | Lokii- | < langley |
| 04:43.59 | SiliconViper | Lokii-, nice. A bit far out for me, but still nice. |
| 04:44.27 | Lokii- | 30m drive to van |
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| 04:44.38 | Lokii- | 10m to white rock |
| 04:45.19 | Lokii- | ima go have a smoke |
| 04:45.21 | Lokii- | bbl |
| 04:49.29 | BubbaT | Wow. I just spotted a nasty UI bug in tcpdump. When finishing it prints " 'interface' left promisous mode". |
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| 04:50.08 | simonrvn | you call that nasty? |
| 04:50.22 | BubbaT | Spent 10 minutes trying to shut down promisuous mode on eth0 before i realised it said "left" not "left in". |
| 04:51.07 | BubbaT | It should say saomething like: interface exitted promisous mode. |
| 04:51.40 | markybob | this is definitely a pebkac moment :P |
| 04:52.23 | peterS | that's about as serious as maria's reported bug in debian some years ago. it concerned a server her ISP had called 'viagra' for, as she put it, "a variety of complicated reasons". she found herself asking "are we running woody on viagra?" |
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| 04:52.57 | markybob | heh |
| 04:53.13 | peterS | someone pointed out that in the future she could ask about sarge on viagra |
| 04:55.27 | BubbaT | Well asking about sid on viagra would probably not make much sense. Since we know sid would mostly be on other things. |
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| 04:57.47 | BubbaT | Ok. i fixed my networking problems so I was in a good mood, but I can imagine someone with serious problems late at night wanting to go to bed, hitting that error and just freaking out. |
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| 05:00.31 | simonrvn | mostly coke or speed |
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| 05:11.07 | billy12 | is there a CLI torrent client in the respo? |
| 05:11.48 | BubbaT | Is there some sidebar equivalent for windows? |
| 05:11.58 | BubbaT | s/windows/debian/ |
| 05:12.04 | BubbaT | Sorry it's late. |
| 05:12.35 | cafuego | sidebar? |
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| 05:13.43 | defrysk | equivalent? |
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| 05:14.14 | cafuego | BubbaT: you can't ask windows related questions and expect people to know what you're talking about |
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| 05:14.34 | cafuego | billy12: rtorrent |
| 05:14.34 | BubbaT | cafuego, sidebar is something new in Vista, but others made some similar stuff in XP. |
| 05:14.48 | cafuego | BubbaT: That tells me exactly nothing |
| 05:14.51 | mimcpher | BubbaT, you want something like the vista sidebar for linux? |
| 05:15.01 | cafuego | what it is, what does it do |
| 05:15.26 | defrysk | how often should it crash ? |
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| 05:15.29 | mimcpher | There's always google desktop thing for linux. |
| 05:15.45 | BubbaT | cafuego, Why not. If I asked if anyone knew of somethikng similiar to aero for linux, you woulkd get a hundred answers. |
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| 05:15.47 | dryrot | should i try settting up a git repo with apache2 or lighttpd ? |
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| 05:15.58 | cafuego | BubbaT: what's aero? |
| 05:16.03 | BubbaT | mimcpher, yes exactly. |
| 05:16.08 | billy12 | cafuego, thnx |
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| 05:16.15 | defrysk | BubbaT, you wouldnt ask a banana sinilar to an apple ? |
| 05:16.24 | defrysk | similar* |
| 05:16.36 | cafuego | BubbaT: you assume people here use or have used vista. most probably don't/haven't. |
| 05:16.46 | richard_ | hi, i have a raid5 array that was 4 disks...one of the disks is completely wrekced |
| 05:16.48 | defrysk | apple as in fruit in this case |
| 05:16.52 | richard_ | mdstat sees the other 3 |
| 05:16.56 | BubbaT | cafuego, neither have I. |
| 05:17.19 | richard_ | but one of them is marked as failed and it therefore refuses to run the array |
| 05:17.22 | cafuego | so you're asking for stuff that's like stuff you've never used? |
| 05:17.34 | cafuego | richard_: remove it from the array |
| 05:17.56 | richard_ | cafuego: how will that help? |
| 05:18.06 | mimcpher | BubbaT, http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/ |
| 05:18.09 | cafuego | richard_: then you have a raid5 with 3 disks, which is fine. |
| 05:18.10 | |Ryan52 | richard_: its a bad drive...need to be replaced |
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| 05:18.27 | cafuego | richard_: Remove the broken disk, start the array.... go looking for a new drive. |
| 05:18.35 | richard_ | no....the disk that is completely wrecked and the one that is marked as failed are separate drives |
| 05:18.39 | \amethyst | dryrot: either should be fine |
| 05:18.43 | Hail_Spacecake | what are the limitations on characters allowed to be in a debian hostname? |
| 05:18.55 | cafuego | richard_: Oh, so you have TWO broken disks |
| 05:18.58 | richard_ | yeah |
| 05:18.59 | richard_ | well |
| 05:19.01 | richard_ | one broken disk |
| 05:19.07 | BubbaT | cafuego, i am asking about cool stuff that i have never used, and will prob ably never use, but would really like to try out. |
| 05:19.10 | freebird | you guys, I`ve heard that there`s a local dns cache that stores recently visited websites informations, where can I find that file ?? |
| 05:19.13 | richard_ | and one working disk that's marked as failed for some reason that is completely beyond me |
| 05:19.13 | BubbaT | mimcpher, thanks. |
| 05:19.30 | mimcpher | I've had linux software flip and mark disks as failed before |
| 05:19.31 | |Ryan52 | Hail_Spacecake: standard DNS. numbers, letters, _ |
| 05:19.37 | mimcpher | Software raid, that is. |
| 05:19.38 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:19.43 | \amethyst | Hail_Spacecake: - not _ |
| 05:19.50 | cafuego | richard_: Well, you could try telling the array that the marked-as-failed one is in fact fine |
| 05:19.50 | Hail_Spacecake | okay, thanks |
| 05:20.02 | richard_ | cafuego: wat's the comand? |
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| 05:20.02 | \amethyst | dots are allowed as well |
| 05:20.12 | cafuego | uhhhh |
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| 05:21.14 | cafuego | richard_: mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --remove /dev/sdXY |
| 05:21.24 | cafuego | first remove the "failed" one |
| 05:21.34 | cafuego | then mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --add /dev/sdXY |
| 05:21.59 | cafuego | then start the array: mdadm --manage /dev/SmdX --run |
| 05:22.23 | cafuego | privided it's synced you should ne fine |
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| 05:22.46 | richard_ | i was reluctant to try that because it wasn't clear if doing --remove would allow me to add the drive back into the array in its state |
| 05:22.51 | richard_ | thanks for that, i'll give it a go |
| 05:23.15 | cafuego | well, you ciould force --run |
| 05:23.21 | cafuego | try that first maybe |
| 05:23.36 | mimcpher | I've had force run work for me |
| 05:23.55 | mimcpher | I had linux software raid decide all of my drives failed when my SCSI controller overheated |
| 05:23.56 | cafuego | has had some oddness with raid5 where it marked all but one disk as failed |
| 05:24.43 | richard_ | ok |
| 05:24.47 | mimcpher | Heh, nothing like getting system alerts when you're out for lunch that your primary fileserver has had 12 repeated drive failures :-p |
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| 05:25.05 | richard_ | i think i've tried --force --run before without success |
| 05:25.05 | cafuego | a spot of hitting reset and manual restoration seemed to sort it out |
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| 05:25.26 | cafuego | richard_: I guess the quetion is whether it makred the complete array as offline and stoppedwriting to it |
| 05:25.30 | richard_ | just wainting for the machine to reboot |
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| 05:26.56 | BubbaT | Does anyone know if sun has started supporting deb packages for the latest versions of Java yet? |
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| 05:28.08 | richard_ | --force --run failed |
| 05:28.17 | richard_ | not enough operation devices for md0 (2/4 failed) |
| 05:28.34 | pythonic | does linux swap /dev/ram*? |
| 05:29.47 | richard_ | hmm |
| 05:30.05 | richard_ | --remove tells me "mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sda1: No such device" |
| 05:30.24 | abchirk | Nyle how is windows Vista working, you said you like it more then Debian? |
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| 05:31.21 | Nyle | I am using debian sid + kde 3.5.9. I am also using 'radeon' driver, and ... |
| 05:31.32 | Nyle | abchirk, lol you made me stop my thought process |
| 05:31.47 | Nyle | abchirk, I have used vista for about 30 minutes in my entire life |
| 05:31.57 | Nyle | abchirk, I was trying to unsuccessfully troll in here :) |
| 05:32.17 | Nyle | abchirk, for the record, Vista sucks horse dongs. |
| 05:32.41 | abchirk | hehe ok. :P |
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| 05:33.17 | freebird | you guys, is there a local dns cache file storing recent visited websites ?? |
| 05:33.26 | BubbaT | Nyle, that's 30 minutes of your life you will never get back. |
| 05:33.50 | Nyle | I am using debian sid + kde 3.5.9. I am also using 'radeon' driver, and using xrandr have setup dualhead. Now the problem is that applications occupy both monitors, and maximize on both monitors. Is there any way to make this behaviour stop (something to do with Xinerama I'm not sure). Please advise |
| 05:33.55 | Nyle | BubbaT, true |
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| 05:34.26 | shaft0r | hey guys, I'm having a problem with one of my drives... its getting seeing as PIO while the other is DMA... transfer speeds are super crappy too. .. any suggestions |
| 05:34.27 | netdaemon | how do i get the framebuffer penguins =(? |
| 05:34.37 | netdaemon | i have vga=795 but no penguins! |
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| 05:36.07 | Bushmills | freebird, dns doesn't know which of the resolved addresses are websites and which are not. look at browser history. or proxy cache log. |
| 05:36.42 | freebird | netdaemon, search for `logo` I guess |
| 05:37.16 | freebird | Bushmills, I see, so there`s no file that will be checked before resolv.conf hosts host.conf right ? |
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| 05:37.40 | Bushmills | shaft0r: if DMA is off for that drive , you can try to turn it on with hdparm. |
| 05:37.41 | freebird | Bushmills, if there`s no proxy ... |
| 05:38.13 | shaft0r | Bushmills, I've done that actually and its not allowing me to it seems |
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| 05:38.19 | shaft0r | Bushmills, let me get the error.. one moment |
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| 05:38.22 | Bushmills | freebird: not for web pages. but a local dns may keep a log og of resolved host names |
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| 05:39.13 | keila | hrm...what's the name of the package that saves iptables rules between restarts in etch? |
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| 05:39.45 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 05:40.38 | markybob | i dont seem to have /etc/init.d/iptables even though package 'iptables' is installed :P |
| 05:40.46 | markybob | not sure where it is |
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| 05:42.11 | Bushmills | keila: there is iptables-save and -restore, but afaik, they don't save automatically at shutdown. just make a script with rules, run that one at interface up time |
| 05:43.08 | keila | Bushmills: ah...so i need to run iptables-save whenever i add a rule? |
| 05:43.36 | Bushmills | markybob: makes more sense to put that in /etc/inetwork/if-up.d |
| 05:44.04 | richard_ | ok |
| 05:44.07 | richard_ | i odn't know what i did |
| 05:44.15 | richard_ | but now all my drives are marked as spares |
| 05:44.18 | Nyle | using debian sid + kde 3.5.9. I am also using 'radeon' driver, and using xrandr have setup dualhead. Now the problem is that applications occupy both monitors, and maximize on both monitors. Is there any way to make this behaviour stop (something to do with Xinerama I'm not sure). Please advise |
| 05:44.24 | richard_ | actually |
| 05:44.32 | richard_ | what does (S) mean after the device name in mdadm? |
| 05:44.35 | richard_ | mdstat* |
| 05:44.40 | Bushmills | keila: you don't "need" to and i wouldn't suggest it. load by running a script instead, much more maintainable |
| 05:44.49 | Nyle | btw, radeon works on ALL ati cards |
| 05:44.56 | Nyle | including r5xx/6xx |
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| 05:45.30 | richard_ | hmmm |
| 05:45.33 | keila | Bushmills: thanks |
| 05:45.36 | richard_ | oh well it went away when i tried to start it |
| 05:45.39 | richard_ | but i'm back where i started |
| 05:45.48 | shaft0r | Bushmills, sorry for the delay... but here is the error when I do -d1 from hdparm... HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 05:46.56 | shaft0r | Bushmills, I'm looking at an addon 3ware raid card for these drives, would I be better of just using that? |
| 05:48.16 | Bushmills | shaft0r: don't know. |
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| 05:48.52 | Bushmills | are that an IDE or a SATA drive? |
| 05:48.56 | family | hi all, |
| 05:49.01 | shaft0r | IDE |
| 05:49.17 | shaft0r | 400GB IDE... the 60GB IDE I have is being seen as DMA no problem. |
| 05:49.44 | family | Need some help with the smallest possible xorg or something like xorg im looking around 50mb -100mb |
| 05:49.48 | shaft0r | the bios does say the drive is only 137gb, but ubuntu see's the full 400gb |
| 05:50.15 | Bushmills | shaft0r: well, that's not a problem for you. as you aren't using ubuntu, right? |
| 05:50.31 | family | !help |
| 05:50.37 | shaft0r | Bushmills, right... centos also sees the drive as PIO though... |
| 05:50.44 | shaft0r | Bushmills, so it seems to be across the board |
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| 05:51.15 | Bushmills | shaft0r: and what does debian say? |
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| 05:51.34 | shaft0r | same thing... while its booting, i see PIO |
| 05:51.58 | family | shaftor is your hard drive jumper set correctly? |
| 05:52.00 | Bushmills | tried to swap the cable? |
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| 05:52.09 | family | theres one for master slave cap limit |
| 05:52.23 | family | cap limit might show some odd numbers |
| 05:52.36 | shaft0r | family, yeah i just switched it actually... was slave on a single device chain and is now master. |
| 05:52.44 | family | aww okay |
| 05:52.59 | shaft0r | family, well i am using an older machine... an IBM 1U server... xseries 305 |
| 05:53.01 | family | well, thats what i had on my mind :) |
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| 05:53.14 | family | oh can you up the bios |
| 05:53.31 | family | firmware upgrade sorry |
| 05:54.18 | shaft0r | family, it was a version from 2003, and I updated it to a version from 2004... seems like that 137/132gb limit was an old issue but I guess not. |
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| 05:55.10 | shaft0r | family, I'm just going to try an addon raid card and see if that does any better. |
| 05:55.28 | netdaemon | decisions decisions... |
| 05:55.29 | family | yea thats pretty odd to me? The only things i think could fix that would be a bios hack not so safe and what you have said above |
| 05:55.42 | family | :) |
| 05:55.47 | family | you beat me too it |
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| 05:56.03 | simonrvn | "to" |
| 05:56.16 | WormFood | why would /dev/ not have the partitions (sdb1, sdb2) for the usb device I just plugged in, when dmesg reports it found the partitions. sda1 works just fine, and as expected, but not sdb (and it has worked fine in the past) |
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| 05:58.25 | freebird | pwd |
| 05:58.27 | freebird | sorry |
| 05:59.18 | Nyle | pwnd? |
| 05:59.19 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 06:00.01 | Nyle | who uses pwd anymore really on a shell, why not just include the current dir int he prompt... |
| 06:00.17 | shaft0r | family, thanks for the help though. |
| 06:00.19 | WormFood | I use pwd |
| 06:00.23 | Nyle | I guess if you have to type it in manually in a ftp prompt it makes sense but really |
| 06:00.25 | markybob | :P i just used it today |
| 06:00.33 | Nyle | WormFood, markybob ! |
| 06:00.38 | simonrvn | ...when you don't want to bother configuring it |
| 06:00.54 | Nyle | simonrvn, configure it ocne and forget about it |
| 06:00.56 | WormFood | nihao Nyle |
| 06:01.07 | Nyle | WormFood, salaam u alaikum |
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| 06:01.19 | family | oh yea sorry used the restroom |
| 06:01.45 | family | shaft0r that should do it :P |
| 06:02.08 | Nyle | WormFood, imagine that, a dude from louisiana saying salam ;) |
| 06:02.25 | WormFood | yeah, imagine that :P |
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| 06:02.44 | family | i need to figure out whats the smallest possible x session i can make. apt-get install xsession-xorg xorg is 200mb i need it alot smaller |
| 06:02.48 | streuner | and then? |
| 06:03.03 | Nyle | i like simonrvn's stuff |
| 06:03.09 | Nyle | Kwe Kwe |
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| 06:03.19 | Nyle | native american stuff is awesome |
| 06:03.23 | Nyle | chinese stuff is scary. |
| 06:03.25 | family | is there some kind of xorg-base |
| 06:03.35 | Nyle | xserver-xorg-core? |
| 06:03.42 | family | yea thats what i did |
| 06:03.45 | WormFood | chinese is incredibly fuckin' hard! |
| 06:03.55 | family | Nyle it comes out to 200 mb |
| 06:04.00 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:04.10 | family | apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xorg |
| 06:04.14 | Nyle | family, I suggest contacting the developer of Damn Small Linux |
| 06:04.28 | Nyle | they remastered a knoppix, which is heavily debian based |
| 06:04.39 | Nyle | very heavily |
| 06:04.39 | family | hmm good idea |
| 06:04.49 | Nyle | so ask him how he cut down X that much |
| 06:04.55 | Nyle | down to less than 50mb |
| 06:05.05 | family | do you think that will be compatible with debian lenny |
| 06:05.08 | Nyle | cuzi sure as hell don't know |
| 06:05.14 | family | haha |
| 06:05.16 | Nyle | family, no clue |
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| 06:05.58 | family | well ill do some googling for googly eyes. Im sure ill figure it out. 50mb doesnt it use a sqshfs system? |
| 06:06.23 | Nyle | no idea |
| 06:06.25 | family | even so 50 mb that a bundles worth of compressing haha okay thanks |
| 06:06.38 | WormFood | do I have to manually make my /dev/sdb{1,2} nodes when I plugin a usb device? this is fuckin' stupid! why the fuck does this shit not work? |
| 06:07.02 | markybob | WormFood, no. do you boot with noapic? |
| 06:07.09 | WormFood | this is really fuckin' stupid....now they are there, but they take forever to show up |
| 06:07.19 | markybob | ok then |
| 06:07.24 | WormFood | literally 2 minutes later, and the nodes have not been created |
| 06:07.25 | Nyle | heh. |
| 06:07.33 | icenine | WormFood: try another USB porT? |
| 06:07.35 | WormFood | why is this so god damn slow? |
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| 06:07.38 | icenine | WormFood: maybe a bad connection |
| 06:07.42 | simonrvn | WormFood: no. try replugging it. |
| 06:07.47 | WormFood | no icenine, only 2 usb ports, and the other is in use |
| 06:07.52 | WormFood | it is a good connection |
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| 06:08.02 | WormFood | I did unplug, and plug it in again, several times |
| 06:08.03 | family | i was messing with matchbox thats so small i actually got openmoko to work on the pc its cell phone software but i used it as a desktop :P |
| 06:08.04 | icenine | WormFood: how are you sure of this? |
| 06:08.09 | markybob | apic? yes no? |
| 06:08.11 | icenine | WormFood: some of my USB ports are *crap* |
| 06:08.13 | WormFood | sure of what? icenine |
| 06:08.20 | simonrvn | yeh, try another port too, sometimes usb goes nuts and gotta reset it, or try another port. |
| 06:08.26 | icenine | WormFood: sure that the USB port is perfectly functional, as you just asserted. |
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| 06:08.44 | WormFood | I'm using a thinkpad....it is a very well built machine....not saying it can't have problems, I'm just saying mine is rock solid |
| 06:08.53 | icenine | WormFood: if I plug my mp3 player into one of my USB ports, all weird **** happens |
| 06:08.59 | icenine | WormFood: but on another one, it works great |
| 06:09.05 | WormFood | I've never had a problem with either usb port on my laptop |
| 06:09.21 | Nyle | maybe the cable sucks? |
| 06:09.22 | icenine | WormFood: does that mean you never will? |
| 06:09.23 | WormFood | I do have machines with weird acting usb ports (compaq piece of garbage!) |
| 06:09.30 | icenine | WormFood: check hardware layer too. |
| 06:09.42 | markybob | i only ask twice :P |
| 06:09.43 | WormFood | I'm using another usb drive at the same time, it works perfectly |
| 06:09.48 | WormFood | this is not a hardware problem |
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| 06:10.07 | WormFood | this is a software problem of linux not making the device nodes in a reasonable amount of time |
| 06:10.16 | icenine | try your USB device in the drive you know to work well. |
| 06:10.17 | gbear | hello? |
| 06:10.24 | icenine | before you accuse linux of the problem |
| 06:10.30 | Nyle | gbear, are you asking? |
| 06:10.31 | icenine | s/drive/port/ |
| 06:10.31 | simonrvn | goodbye? |
| 06:10.34 | WormFood | how do I plugin a usb device to a drive? |
| 06:10.36 | Nyle | haha |
| 06:10.39 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:10.49 | Nyle | rvn of the simon |
| 06:10.49 | icenine | WormFood: I never told you to do that. |
| 06:10.51 | Nyle | hehe :) |
| 06:11.02 | WormFood | [14:10:16] <icenine> try your USB device in the drive you know to work well. |
| 06:11.10 | WormFood | you didn't? |
| 06:11.10 | icenine | 02:07 < icenine> s/drive/port/ |
| 06:11.20 | icenine | I didn't. |
| 06:11.28 | gbear | Amatuer user editing sudo for the first time... trying to add nopassword but getting a syntax error... anyone willing to help? |
| 06:11.39 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 06:11.39 | dpkg | methinks sudoers is You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 06:12.19 | Nyle | gbear, what did you write? |
| 06:12.22 | icenine | WormFood: case in point though. you can't just make assumptions based on what you feel might be right or wrong and point a finger at this or that and say that it must be the problem. that's simply arrogant. |
| 06:12.23 | gbear | ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWORD: ALL |
| 06:12.35 | simonrvn | bad idea |
| 06:12.43 | gbear | I know :-/ |
| 06:12.43 | icenine | lol |
| 06:12.51 | Nyle | username ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:13.16 | Nyle | I think |
| 06:13.23 | Nyle | letme see |
| 06:13.28 | gbear | lol I would admit why i'm trying to get the nopassword working but I don't want to be crucified |
| 06:13.45 | WormFood | icenine, dude, I've been using computers probably since before you were born. I don't just randomly point my finger. I know my hardware and my software. I have been using Linux for over 10 years. |
| 06:13.49 | Nyle | yeh that should be it |
| 06:13.52 | simonrvn | only romans do that |
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| 06:14.09 | icenine | WormFood: so then why are you completely bypassing the scientific method in investigating your problem? |
| 06:14.13 | WormFood | gbear, try "su -" |
| 06:14.22 | WormFood | icenine, you're not paying attention |
| 06:14.41 | gbear | Trying to get an sftp client to work... and can't with a password prompted sudo login |
| 06:14.46 | icenine | WormFood: Uh, last I payed attention you were being incoherent and cussing. |
| 06:14.59 | icenine | WormFood: please be scientific. |
| 06:15.01 | WormFood | icenine, IT IS FUCKIN' SLOW TO MAKE MY DEVICE NODES! what is so hard to understand about that. |
| 06:15.09 | Nyle | WormFood, take a deep breath. |
| 06:15.19 | Nyle | you are being a bit abrasive. |
| 06:15.19 | icenine | WormFood: it is slow to make your device nodes could be a result of the connection being bad |
| 06:15.29 | simonrvn | WormFood: it normally isn't slow. try to look deeper |
| 06:15.34 | icenine | WormFood: but you are reluctant to test the theory |
| 06:15.37 | icenine | WormFood: why? |
| 06:15.39 | WormFood | icenine, it is not a result of a bad connection |
| 06:15.46 | icenine | WormFood: have you confirmed this? |
| 06:15.55 | WormFood | I did test it. I never had problems in the past. not to say it couldn't be a new problem, but it isn't |
| 06:15.55 | icenine | WormFood: on other grounds then your own assumption? |
| 06:16.06 | icenine | WormFood: then why didn't you just say, that you tested it?!? |
| 06:16.10 | WormFood | I know it isn't a connection problem, because I can see the kernel report the device being connected |
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| 06:16.17 | gbear | Warning: undeclared Cmnd_Alias 'NOPASSWORD' referenced near line XX |
| 06:16.27 | simonrvn | "in the past". you are now. try another device on it... |
| 06:16.28 | icenine | WormFood: it could still be a connection problem. one of my USB ports is like that. |
| 06:16.33 | Nyle | gbear, paste line here |
| 06:16.44 | WormFood | icenine, go back and look at what I said before you start trolling |
| 06:16.55 | icenine | WormFood: Whatever. |
| 06:16.57 | liable | i often see the old "waiting for hardware to settle before reading" |
| 06:17.05 | icenine | WormFood: good luck, with your freaking usb port. |
| 06:17.11 | WormFood | liable, this is taking unusually long |
| 06:17.17 | billy12 | im haveing a problem w/ sshfs, i can edit the file once, but when i try to save it a second time i get permission denied |
| 06:17.22 | gbear | username ALL= NOPASSWORD ALL |
| 06:17.25 | Nyle | gbear, stoned ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:17.25 | WormFood | thanks for your attempt to help icenine |
| 06:17.31 | WormFood | I do appreciate the effort |
| 06:17.31 | Nyle | gbear, I am NEVER prompted to PW |
| 06:17.38 | Nyle | gbear, missing colon: |
| 06:17.54 | Nyle | my username== stoned |
| 06:17.56 | gbear | so no O in word? |
| 06:17.56 | liable | WormFood: how long? more than 5 seconds? does dmesg print that line? |
| 06:17.59 | Nyle | what? |
| 06:18.03 | Nyle | gbear, ffs |
| 06:18.04 | icenine | WormFood: no problem. It's just that I have a problem that is exactly what you are describing, and it's caused by the shittiness of one of my USB ports. |
| 06:18.10 | WormFood | I never use sudo, I just use "su -", and then use that one window for all my root related stuff |
| 06:18.19 | Nyle | nyle ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:18.22 | WormFood | icenine, I can almost guarantee it is not a bad port |
| 06:18.27 | Nyle | root ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:18.28 | Nyle | w/e |
| 06:18.36 | WormFood | liable, yes, 2 minutes later, and still no device nodes |
| 06:18.40 | Nyle | not root but w/e man ARGH |
| 06:18.49 | Nyle | shakes his fist in the air |
| 06:18.50 | WormFood | I mean, 2 minutes AFTER the kernel has ported it found the partitions |
| 06:19.15 | WormFood | I suspect it may be because I'm copying a lot of data to the usb drive in the other usb port....that is the only logical answer I can come up with at this time |
| 06:19.26 | family | nyle i looked at the apps in dsl xfree86 <--- how small is this |
| 06:19.36 | Nyle | no idea |
| 06:19.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:19.48 | WormFood | but I sure as hell didn't expect it to take 2+ minutes to make the device node after the kernel reported finding the partitions |
| 06:20.02 | family | google again :) |
| 06:20.06 | gbear | sweet... thanx guys.. sorry about the trouble |
| 06:20.07 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:20.12 | Nyle | gbear, no trouble |
| 06:20.18 | Nyle | gbear, what does your line look like now |
| 06:20.22 | family | thats the only thing that makes sense xfree86 i heard of this before |
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| 06:20.29 | Nyle | gbear, paste here |
| 06:20.33 | WormFood | anyways, I'm gonna go back to copying files to my usb, thanks for the help guys |
| 06:20.54 | gbear | ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:21.04 | family | bingo |
| 06:21.09 | family | 53 mb |
| 06:21.27 | family | they also compress their system to it fits in the 50 mb window |
| 06:21.38 | Nyle | gbear, perfect |
| 06:21.45 | family | time to see if we have xfree86 on the apt list |
| 06:21.51 | Nyle | gbear, good job buddy |
| 06:22.02 | billy12 | im haveing a problem w/ sshfs, i can edit the file once, but when i try to save it a second time i get permission denied |
| 06:22.43 | gbear | lol... i thought about asking about making it a better config and only enabling nopasswd for sftp... but I don't want to make you pull your hair out :) I've got a linux mentor... he's just not up at 2:22am |
| 06:22.50 | Bushmills | billy12: what are the access rights after it has been created (i.e. after first edit)? |
| 06:22.53 | simonrvn | woot, the nighthawks are back, hunting bugs |
| 06:22.57 | Nyle | its not hard |
| 06:23.11 | family | haha nope compiling is fun |
| 06:23.13 | Nyle | replace the last ALL with /path/to/app |
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| 06:23.41 | Nyle | username_here ALL=PASSWD: /usr/bin/sftp |
| 06:23.44 | Nyle | or whatever |
| 06:24.03 | Bushmills | ? |
| 06:24.13 | family | Nyle sorry to bug, xfree86-common 4.2.1-3 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure this would compare to xorg right? |
| 06:24.36 | Nyle | family, I honestly don't know :) |
| 06:24.39 | billy12 | Bushmills, srry, recently re-installed and forgot to reinstall sshfs |
| 06:24.45 | simonrvn | we've had nighthawks in our "backyard" for years. late at night, they'll come out, hunt bugs, and makes little hawk squeaks. effing cute sound. |
| 06:24.55 | Bushmills | Nyle: seems to be that the sftp server side, not the client side, needs password relaxing |
| 06:24.57 | billy12 | Bushmills, thnx, but give me a sec |
| 06:24.58 | Nyle | simonrvn, awee cute |
| 06:24.59 | family | okay |
| 06:25.17 | Nyle | simonrvn, my mom has giant austrlian parrorts and african greys and they talk a lot |
| 06:25.35 | gbear | is the path to the application thats trying to run or the directory your trying to access? |
| 06:25.36 | Nyle | but they poop a lot too and then my mom used to make me clean it up but then i moved out so then my younger brother had to clean em up |
| 06:25.39 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:25.42 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:25.49 | gbear | cause... yeah...... I'll open myself to crucifiction... I'm attempting to get WinSCP working as I'm on a windows box working on my debian server and found the only way to use sudo is with a nopasswd login |
| 06:26.03 | soblue | I just installed the "moon-lander" game package, and when I get to the point where it lands okay, the game quits spontaneously.. I know it's a longshot, but anybody know a workaround? |
| 06:26.08 | Nyle | Bushmills, what? |
| 06:26.09 | simonrvn | my condolences |
| 06:26.20 | \amethyst | gbear: you could ssh in as root |
| 06:26.24 | Bushmills | Nyle: the sudo sftp bit |
| 06:26.25 | simonrvn | soblue: BTS says what? |
| 06:26.27 | Nyle | Bushmills, client side |
| 06:26.27 | WormFood | soblue, that means you won! |
| 06:26.42 | Nyle | Bushmills, isn't that what he wanted? wait what? |
| 06:26.56 | soblue | WormFood: I don't think so, it's supposed to be playable for more than one level -- there's points |
| 06:27.01 | Nyle | drinks sprite |
| 06:27.03 | soblue | simonrvn: BTS? |
| 06:27.05 | Nyle | !seen jetscreamer |
| 06:27.05 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 11h 1m 37s ago, saying: 'Gohan: you don't have to, but yeah you can'. |
| 06:27.16 | WormFood | soblue, like when you get to that one web page that makes your browser stop....that means you got to the end of the internet |
| 06:27.27 | Nyle | !bts |
| 06:27.27 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 06:27.52 | WormFood | soblue, I'm just joking with you, of course....I don't have a clue about your problem |
| 06:27.58 | gbear | tried... but... Nyle and others... thank you very much for the help... i'll pay it forward someday |
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| 06:28.03 | soblue | oh. I googled it but didn't go through bugs directly.. I'll try that, hold on |
| 06:28.05 | Bushmills | gbear: for sftp, just create a key pair |
| 06:28.08 | Nyle | gbear, sure |
| 06:29.03 | WormFood | I should get sftp setup on my server, but I've been far too lazy for that....do most winblows ftp clients support sftp now? |
| 06:29.17 | Nyle | filezilla does |
| 06:29.24 | Nyle | and if you don't use filezilla on windows, then FUCK YOU. |
| 06:29.27 | markybob | why oh why use sftp? |
| 06:29.34 | WormFood | but what about the common crap that winblows lusers use? |
| 06:29.40 | soblue | bugs.debian.org only lists 2 bugs, both wishlists.. |
| 06:29.45 | markybob | use scp or rsync. *both* also run on windows |
| 06:29.52 | soblue | neither one seem related to my problem |
| 06:29.54 | Nyle | scp is nice |
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| 06:30.00 | WormFood | markybob, because ftp is insecure (vulnerable to password sniffing, if you can monitor the network) |
| 06:30.04 | icenine | soblue: maybe the game is supposed to quit when you land. it is called "moon-lander"? |
| 06:30.08 | \amethyst | sftp is a little more secure than scp |
| 06:30.09 | Bushmills | dos windows support network by now? |
| 06:30.18 | \amethyst | scp involves going through a shell on the remote side |
| 06:30.19 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:30.25 | \amethyst | though you can use a shell like scponly |
| 06:30.26 | Nyle | Bushmills, seriously? |
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| 06:30.27 | WormFood | icenine, I already played on that aspect of it....I told him he got to the end of the game |
| 06:30.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:30.37 | gbear | ok one more question... ever since loggin in as something other than root I'm getting a winscp410.exe drive not ready error any clue what this may be? |
| 06:30.40 | icenine | WormFood: that's where my money is |
| 06:30.44 | Bushmills | Nyle: 3.1 didn't |
| 06:30.45 | WormFood | I don't use scp or ftp or sftp....I just use tar and netcat |
| 06:30.55 | icenine | soblue: but if you want you can debug it with gdb and set a breakpoint for exit |
| 06:30.55 | soblue | icenine: like I said, it's got a points system and I never even get to see how many I get.. plus it cuts off right in the middle of saying "Tranquility base, the eagle has..." |
| 06:30.56 | Nyle | Bushmills, lan manager. |
| 06:31.01 | streuner | \amethyst: isnt that encrypted anyway? |
| 06:31.05 | icenine | soblue: ah |
| 06:31.10 | Nyle | Bushmills, 3.11 for WG did |
| 06:31.12 | WormFood | icenine, I think it is supposed to go past level 1....in addition, it shouldn't just exit like that, it should say something...maybe "you won!" |
| 06:31.13 | icenine | soblue: run it with gdb? |
| 06:31.27 | Nyle | Bushmills, lan manager worked well enough for what it was worth |
| 06:31.31 | Bushmills | no network -> no sftp support needed. |
| 06:31.33 | soblue | I haven't used gdb before, but I'm willing to try. |
| 06:31.42 | gbear | its not a big deal I just click through it about 10 times and it disappears... but thought it was strange |
| 06:31.44 | \amethyst | streuner: I mean server-side security. If you want to lock down an account (or a particular key) and have it only used for file transfers, it's a lot easier with ssh |
| 06:31.46 | icenine | soblue: well start by $ gdb `which moonlander` |
| 06:31.51 | WormFood | soblue, gdb isn't that hard to use |
| 06:31.52 | \amethyst | streuner: err, with sftp than with scp |
| 06:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 06:32.04 | markybob | regardless, you still have to run a separate daemon and one more daemon adds more possible security riscs |
| 06:32.06 | bpun | gbear, filezilla works well.. |
| 06:32.09 | WormFood | soblue, but you'll want to invest a little bit of time to learn how to use it right |
| 06:32.20 | Bushmills | Nyle: was also a way to suggest "as #windows about windows stuff" |
| 06:32.37 | WormFood | I used gdb to follow a program, and used what I discovered to make a serial number generator for that program :D |
| 06:32.38 | icenine | soblue: then type 'run' |
| 06:32.39 | soblue | WormFood & icenine: okay, thanks for the advice |
| 06:32.41 | Nyle | ask ##windows |
| 06:32.44 | streuner | \amethyst: what do you work, btw? |
| 06:32.53 | gbear | i might try that tonight... I keep getting a folder creation error :-/ |
| 06:32.57 | \amethyst | streuner: I'm a grad student |
| 06:33.05 | icenine | soblue: play the game in gdb and then type backtrace when you land |
| 06:33.06 | Nyle | he works a street corner ;) |
| 06:33.12 | icenine | soblue: that is after, it "crashes" |
| 06:33.25 | gbear | permission denied error 3 error message from server: permission denied request code: 14 |
| 06:33.40 | markybob | at least it's not code 15 |
| 06:33.46 | Nyle | \amethyst, why study so much |
| 06:33.56 | Nyle | wasn't a bachelors enough |
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| 06:33.58 | \amethyst | Nyle: because I want to teach university :) |
| 06:34.01 | Nyle | ahh |
| 06:34.02 | Nyle | good man |
| 06:34.08 | Nyle | I also too want to teach |
| 06:34.08 | cafuego | 'permission denied' is not a very hard error to diagnose |
| 06:34.26 | family | change the permissions |
| 06:34.33 | Nyle | \amethyst, I will eventually finish out my phd in music theory and at least a bachelors in education |
| 06:34.33 | bpun | gbear, what is the server again? |
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| 06:34.35 | family | or become root |
| 06:34.35 | streuner | Nyle: because he want to be one of about 10-15 percent of workers which doesn't need 2-3 jobs to surrive in US? ;-) |
| 06:34.38 | Nyle | i want to teach music at university |
| 06:34.51 | Nyle | streuner, very true. |
| 06:35.06 | icenine | you don't need 2-3 jobs to survive. you just need to not waste your money on bs. |
| 06:35.12 | netdaemon | is going to a university too |
| 06:35.13 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:35.15 | Nyle | don't be a consumer |
| 06:35.18 | Nyle | thats all |
| 06:35.19 | icenine | which is harder than working multiple jobs somewhat |
| 06:35.19 | icenine | ;) |
| 06:35.30 | streuner | icenine: read Riffkin |
| 06:35.37 | Nyle | again with the rifkin |
| 06:35.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:35.48 | Nyle | fight club |
| 06:36.01 | icenine | streuner: which book? |
| 06:36.01 | streuner | icenine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Rifkin |
| 06:36.02 | cafuego | ugh, popular culture |
| 06:36.12 | Nyle | pitt summed it up nicely, ... working jobs we hate, so we can buy shit we dont' need... |
| 06:36.17 | icenine | streuner: reccommending a book? because my time is already trapped between several |
| 06:36.17 | gbear | alright... filezilla? |
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| 06:36.22 | icenine | strapped* |
| 06:36.28 | Nyle | tokens |
| 06:36.32 | Nyle | lots of tokens |
| 06:36.37 | Nyle | $$ |
| 06:36.38 | bpun | gbear, i have no clue what server your trying to access |
| 06:36.45 | gbear | debian etch |
| 06:36.47 | icenine | streuner: I am saving twenties in a glass bottle. that is my current plan for economic autonomy. |
| 06:36.51 | cafuego | gbear: you're trying to create a dir in a location you have no permissions for |
| 06:37.03 | icenine | streuner: once it gets up to 3k or so, I might put it in a CD |
| 06:37.04 | bpun | gbear, you're calling debian etc a server? |
| 06:37.10 | gbear | lol... I have full sudo access... thats the weird thing |
| 06:37.24 | icenine | then, i'm on my own. the plan is to save 20/day until my parents move or kick me out. |
| 06:37.32 | soblue | immediately after landing, I get "Couldn't load /usr/share/games/moon-lander/images/backgrounds/..: Unsupported image format" followed by "[Thread -1217934416 (zombie) exited]" |
| 06:37.33 | cafuego | gbear: you're running sudo in filezilla? on the renmove server? |
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| 06:38.11 | icenine | it's considerably hard for me to save 20/day, because I got a car loan.. 279+225+150(gas/mait) per month. |
| 06:38.19 | bpun | cafuego, i think he's not even using debian.. he refuses to tell me his server type |
| 06:38.20 | soblue | looks like it's trying to load a bare parent directory as an image for some reason |
| 06:38.28 | Nyle | icenine, I pay 2200/mo rent alone. |
| 06:38.35 | gbear | Running WinSCP on XP Pro trying to access our webserver and I have full sudo if I login using ssh... but I can't get the filepermissions to work right (to use sudo) |
| 06:38.36 | icenine | Nyle: you must live in a nice place |
| 06:38.36 | Nyle | plus bills and car note and car insurance |
| 06:38.38 | Nyle | plus gas and food |
| 06:38.40 | family | anyone know whats the smallest base install for debian im running eeepc i have the netinstaller but it seems to me 386 mb isnt the smallest <----------- Aww never mind im going to have to remove stuff i dont need |
| 06:38.44 | icenine | Nyle: i'm not looking at spending that much on rent |
| 06:38.46 | Nyle | icenine, mediocre palce in nyc |
| 06:39.01 | gbear | so... filezilla is the one to use? aka it works right? |
| 06:39.02 | icenine | Nyle: well, its still a place in nyc. sounds good to me |
| 06:39.03 | Nyle | nyc is expensive |
| 06:39.11 | Nyle | and if you know how to hustle |
| 06:39.13 | icenine | Nyle: i live in boston, it's kinda expensive in some areas too. |
| 06:39.14 | Nyle | you ocan make money |
| 06:39.16 | cafuego | gbear: You need to set the owner/group, not change permissions willy-nilly with sudo. |
| 06:39.23 | Nyle | icenine, legal age limit is 16 there innit? |
| 06:39.25 | Nyle | mmm |
| 06:39.29 | Nyle | I might come to visit you |
| 06:39.40 | soblue | It says "---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---". Should I type backtrace immediately or q <return> first? |
| 06:39.41 | family | any easy way of doing this without messing things up? Removing files from a netinstall. |
| 06:39.44 | Nyle | j/k |
| 06:39.45 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:39.46 | bpun | cafuego, what the hell is he trying to do, access sftp from a debian ssh server? |
| 06:39.49 | icenine | Nyle: uh 16 for dudes, 18 for girls.. and I'm straight, and 22. |
| 06:40.02 | Nyle | icenine, no imean we go get chics |
| 06:40.04 | cafuego | bpun: No idea, he says he has permissions problems with filezilla, using sudo... |
| 06:40.10 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you don't flater yer self :) |
| 06:40.10 | family | oh wait i think i need to do apt-get clean after the install |
| 06:40.11 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 06:40.11 | icenine | Nyle: ah, too bad. legal age is 18 for girls |
| 06:40.17 | Nyle | icenine, that sucks. |
| 06:40.21 | icenine | Nyle: actually, guy/guy is 18 |
| 06:40.24 | Nyle | i'll stay where i am now |
| 06:40.25 | icenine | but guy girl is 16/18 |
| 06:40.34 | bpun | cafuego, i was guessing of using an easy user client of filezilla, since he mentioned winscp*.exe bloat for windows.. |
| 06:40.37 | family | lol |
| 06:40.42 | family | you guys are nuts |
| 06:40.46 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:40.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:40.57 | family | i did this once and stuck with my girl |
| 06:41.01 | icenine | Nyle: plenty of 16 year old girls were playing in a fountain near where I work. It was quite exciting, but in an unsatisfying, you can't ask them out, because they're not of legal age kind of way. |
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| 06:41.07 | cafuego | bpun: nothing wrong with winscp |
| 06:41.09 | bpun | cafuego, am not sure if one can do sudo under filezilla.. but i know putty is avail on windows for ssh |
| 06:41.17 | streuner | icenine: "The End of Work" J. Rifkin |
| 06:41.18 | family | i was 22 and she was 18 barely like 1 mo |
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| 06:41.29 | Bushmills | s/winscp*.exe bloat/windows bloat/ |
| 06:41.30 | family | now shes 20 and im 24 |
| 06:41.31 | Nyle | icenine, bah |
| 06:41.38 | cafuego | bpun: Just, as with all other ways of transferring files, you need write access the the destination |
| 06:41.38 | gbear | cafuego... I'm WAY green with linux... I'm leaving on business tomorrow trying to upload some files and my box admin is asleep and changed the root password tonight... me messing with his box will likely get me in trouble... even if I am supposedly in charge. So messing up my own login or the sudo file is all I want to risk |
| 06:41.43 | bpun | cafuego, i even think the latest ver of winscp supports sftp.. but i have better experience with filezilla -- i think filezill is also on linux too |
| 06:41.43 | Nyle | there are millions and millions of 18+ girls |
| 06:41.48 | Nyle | and they are ALL for me. |
| 06:42.02 | gbear | god I feel like a leach |
| 06:42.24 | cafuego | gbear: I'm just having troiuble getting my head around what you're actually trying to do |
| 06:42.32 | streuner | icenine: but be warned, its pretty dangerous too |
| 06:42.44 | family | gbear why dont you use ssh? |
| 06:42.46 | bpun | cafuego, he cant even name the server he's using.. |
| 06:42.57 | bpun | cafuego, he calls the server "debian etch".. |
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| 06:43.01 | family | if u need files get psftp |
| 06:43.11 | markybob | the server of love |
| 06:43.16 | gbear | don't know ssh commands well enough to do file tranfers without a gui :-/ (I know thats no excuse) |
| 06:43.19 | Nyle | markybob, hahaha |
| 06:43.22 | icenine | streuner: ok, i will take a look at your commie rag |
| 06:43.27 | streuner | icenine: the title could be "The end of illusions and see the truth" |
| 06:43.30 | cafuego | did scp get aids and we all hate it now or wsomething? |
| 06:43.32 | gbear | Cafuego... just trying to upload a new folder full of files |
| 06:43.33 | Nyle | markybob, aka, pron server |
| 06:43.34 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 06:43.36 | family | psftp |
| 06:43.38 | anom01y | is it worth switching from kde to xfce ??? |
| 06:43.41 | family | gbear its easy |
| 06:43.44 | markybob | Nyle, yep :P |
| 06:43.48 | Bushmills | gbear: wgy don't you just pout a pub key on sftp server machine, to access it, rather than using this rube goldberg scheme of sudoing sftp? you can also specify user with sftp |
| 06:43.51 | cafuego | gbear: usinfg winscp is fine, all you need is write permisisons on the destination dir. |
| 06:43.52 | bpun | cafuego, i heard it does 1 file transfer at a time.. so maybe that was it.. |
| 06:44.08 | markybob | anom01y, no chick will go for you if you cant make your own decisions |
| 06:44.08 | Baloo | In Gnome/Enlightenment, is there a way to tile windows? |
| 06:44.14 | Baloo | a-la Windows Explorer? |
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| 06:44.38 | bpun | gbear, you have shell access or not? |
| 06:44.38 | gbear | ok I should have full permissions through sudo |
| 06:44.49 | gbear | yes |
| 06:44.50 | anom01y | markybob: is it difficult to switch from kde to xfce ? I run debian etch |
| 06:44.54 | cafuego | gbear: No, you cannot use sudo via winscp. |
| 06:44.59 | bpun | gbear, so chek that dir's permissions and server's settings |
| 06:45.06 | markybob | anom01y, no |
| 06:45.07 | family | apt-get install ssh then /etc/init.d/start ssh then from another computer apt-get install psftp and run command psftp username@ip commands to get files are get /filename to put files is put /file name |
| 06:45.21 | cafuego | gbear: On a web server, you would normally manage this via group membershiop. |
| 06:45.22 | Nyle | family, postinst starts it. |
| 06:45.28 | Nyle | no need to manaully start ssh |
| 06:45.30 | hifi | family: my soon-to-be-wife is 22 and I'm 18 :) it shouldn't go this way around, right? |
| 06:45.41 | family | its okay |
| 06:45.43 | cafuego | gbear: Allow a certain group to write a certain directory, then add all users that need write access to said group. |
| 06:45.56 | family | older women are more experienced ; P |
| 06:46.00 | icenine | streuner: ever read player piano? |
| 06:46.02 | icenine | streuner: I've got player piano for this, i've already swallowed what is to come. |
| 06:46.09 | gbear | cafuego... this doesn't work? http://winscp.net/eng/docs/faq_su |
| 06:46.13 | cafuego | gbear: You need root/sudo access on the server to set this up[, after that you don't. |
| 06:46.13 | markybob | getting married at 18 is offtopic, anyway |
| 06:46.28 | family | yea pretty much markybob yeshhh |
| 06:46.30 | gbear | its just me... so all i have to do is add myself? |
| 06:46.31 | bpun | cafuego, doesnt webmin do a good job with debian for setting ssh server's settings? |
| 06:46.35 | icenine | I had a friend who was married at 18. |
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| 06:46.50 | anom01y | for changing to xfce do I have to redo all the user login stuff ect ? |
| 06:46.55 | family | hey gbear i spoon fed yah above |
| 06:47.01 | icenine | 2 weeks after meeting him, I saw his wife naked and they got divorced. |
| 06:47.03 | anom01y | how do I do this ? and disable kde ? |
| 06:47.07 | cafuego | bpun: what is webmin? |
| 06:47.07 | family | every thing you need to do is up |
| 06:47.08 | icenine | he was ok with it, that's not why they divorced. |
| 06:47.13 | bpun | anom01y, i believe it has to do with .Xsession file in ~.. just guessing |
| 06:47.29 | bpun | cafuego, it is a webserver interface.. thought you were mentioning about web interfaces.. |
| 06:47.43 | cafuego | bpun: Please put the crack pipe away |
| 06:47.51 | bpun | cafuego, lol |
| 06:47.56 | cafuego | gbear: That is horrifying |
| 06:48.07 | flipflop | hi |
| 06:48.13 | bpun | cafuego, wonder what membershoip is.. lol you said something about web servers not me ;) |
| 06:48.15 | flipflop | How can I rename user ID ? |
| 06:48.45 | cafuego | gbear: If it's just you, make sure the target dir is owner by your userid. |
| 06:48.59 | bpun | flipflop.. dunno about cmds but i know a system file you may carefully edit |
| 06:49.47 | cafuego | flipflop: usermod -l |
| 06:49.47 | anom01y | anyone here know of a good distro that uses xfce and is installbale to the hd for an older laptop ? |
| 06:49.48 | Bushmills | flipflop: man usermod |
| 06:49.49 | flipflop | the user id not the user name |
| 06:49.54 | streuner | icenine: sounds to me like a story which handle "Zardoz" (movie) too, very interesting |
| 06:50.02 | cafuego | Id? usermod -u |
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| 06:50.07 | cafuego | See `man usermod' |
| 06:50.13 | bpun | i read this -> http://www.debian-administration.org/users/kaerast/weblog/3 |
| 06:50.38 | family | markybob will xfree86 work with debian? |
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| 06:52.05 | cafuego | family: xfree86 is deprecated andnadly licensed |
| 06:52.11 | cafuego | badly licensed even |
| 06:52.26 | bpun | anom01y, ->##linpeople.. this is a distro channel.. its not polite to ask what type of distro to use |
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| 06:52.48 | cafuego | anom01y: Debian will work just fine |
| 06:52.52 | markybob | family, debian uses xorg instead of xfree86 |
| 06:53.14 | streuner | almost every distro changed to xorg |
| 06:53.16 | anom01y | sorry I meant what debian distro |
| 06:53.26 | markybob | there's only one debian distro |
| 06:53.30 | streuner | Debian, of course :-) |
| 06:53.30 | anom01y | er version |
| 06:53.34 | fas3r | it's possible with command radwho to disconnect user who are connect on the radius ? |
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| 06:53.46 | streuner | anom01y: if you have to ask, stable/etch |
| 06:53.51 | soblue | so, moon-lander appears to be going zombie.. does this look like a real bug to anyone? |
| 06:54.04 | markybob | agrees with streuner |
| 06:54.09 | cafuego | anom01y: How much ram does the targewt box have? |
| 06:54.21 | anom01y | I think 64mb |
| 06:54.30 | cafuego | etch will do then, yes |
| 06:54.32 | anom01y | its an older dell laptop I wanted to install debian to it and run xfce |
| 06:55.09 | streuner | anom01y: 64 MB RAM is a pain in the ass witth a 2.6.24 kernel and X |
| 06:55.18 | bpun | anom01y, how old is it? |
| 06:55.34 | anom01y | its a pentium 2 |
| 06:55.36 | anom01y | had win 98 on it |
| 06:55.47 | anom01y | 10 years old |
| 06:55.53 | flipflop | thax!! |
| 06:55.55 | soblue | silly question, I know it's a bug, it's looking for an image from a directory name.. should I file a bug report and if so how? |
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| 06:56.08 | bpun | anom01y, i was able to do a debian install on a p1 laptop.. so you should be able to install |
| 06:56.23 | streuner | anom01y: why not get another box, they are cheap second hand (x86) ? |
| 06:56.25 | bpun | anom01y, did this more than a year ago.. |
| 06:56.53 | anom01y | yeah we have this thing kicking around so I thought I would put it to use |
| 06:57.01 | anom01y | it runs knoppix std just fine off the cd |
| 06:57.17 | streuner | sure, but its too slow |
| 06:57.24 | bpun | anom01y, you can turn it into a firewall box.. |
| 06:57.26 | anom01y | off the cd sucks |
| 06:57.28 | fas3r | how to disconnect user on freeradius ? |
| 06:57.32 | Bushmills | such machines are good X terminals |
| 06:57.36 | anom01y | yeah or something |
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| 06:58.02 | bpun | fas3r, never used it.. probably in its package list there's a bin to do this.. |
| 06:58.02 | anom01y | so you guys suggest debian etch ? |
| 06:58.15 | streuner | anom01y: there are many useful things you could do with that box (mail-server, DNS-Server, webserver....), but not as DesktopSystem |
| 06:58.20 | bpun | anom01y, should work |
| 06:58.40 | anom01y | what about xubuntu |
| 06:59.00 | bpun | anom01y, or can turn it into a jukebox with a 50 bucks creative pcmcia card.. |
| 06:59.10 | simonrvn | anom01y: other than being off-topic? |
| 06:59.24 | streuner | no idea what that is, but most of them use a DE (KDE, GNOME or such), and that needs plenty of RAM in order to be fast |
| 06:59.39 | anom01y | xubuntu uses cfce |
| 06:59.41 | anom01y | xfce |
| 06:59.55 | streuner | hm, a DE too |
| 07:00.10 | bpun | anom01y, ratpoison, ion, twm, .. xfce may be too bloaty for p2.. |
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| 07:01.59 | arccsine | hello? |
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| 07:02.15 | streuner | !ask |
| 07:02.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:02.18 | jelly-home | xfce is gtk+ based, mostly needs memory |
| 07:02.22 | arccsine | ho |
| 07:02.31 | arccsine | wew |
| 07:02.47 | arccsine | I thought something happened |
| 07:03.04 | bpun | anom01y, you can always check out gos but this is something non-debian |
| 07:03.15 | simonrvn | yeh, you joined the channel :P |
| 07:03.29 | arccsine | something is wrong with freenode? |
| 07:03.37 | streuner | no |
| 07:03.43 | simonrvn | a lot of netsplits earlier |
| 07:03.51 | arccsine | the only working ATM |
| 07:04.01 | arccsine | here |
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| 07:04.39 | anom01y | I bought this sound card (XFI Xtreme) PCI express |
| 07:04.45 | anom01y | and I can't get it to work at all |
| 07:05.03 | anom01y | (on my debian install), that is |
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| 07:05.05 | bpun | anom01y, does it get listed with lspci ? |
| 07:05.30 | bpun | hey guys, PCI express isn't that just for video vga? |
| 07:05.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:05.46 | bpun | o ya .. yikes.. |
| 07:05.50 | arccsine | anom01y: there's an open driver for it |
| 07:05.56 | anom01y | ahh |
| 07:05.56 | fas3r | someone use counter parameter with freeradius ? |
| 07:06.01 | anom01y | ok well I was trying to install that driver |
| 07:06.07 | anom01y | and it doesnt seem to want to install |
| 07:06.08 | simonrvn | ask in #freeradius |
| 07:06.22 | arccsine | anom01y: #alsa |
| 07:06.25 | fas3r | simonrvn: nobody response since two days :) |
| 07:06.27 | bpun | fas3r, usually freeradius is something for expert users... i doubt anyone else here atm is using it |
| 07:07.12 | bpun | fas3r, its like the 3rd time you asking man.. there's a channel for it.. |
| 07:07.25 | simonrvn | fas3r: and this matters how? do they have a wiki or mailing list? |
| 07:08.13 | freebird | you guys, i`ve reinstalled proftpd, and start to get some erros, now, nothing works, I`ve uninstalled, reinstalled, deleted everything related to proftpd, and I still get this erros: http://paste.milk-it.net/715 |
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| 07:08.43 | msshams | hi, now i have apache2 and php5. after upgrade to these, i can't upload a file bigger than 100kb from php apps. can you tell me why? this is php.ini: http://phpfi.com/323005 this is apache2.conf: http://phpfi.com/323006 |
| 07:08.48 | freebird | I`ve tryed apt-get upgrade, fix -missing, install, remove, all, even usign dpkg -P |
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| 07:08.58 | fas3r | simonrvn: i just ask this to see if someone have do this and i go to see on google in parallele |
| 07:09.03 | anom01y | hmm that soundcard sais it needs either a pci express x1, x4, or x16... all I have is a x8 ? will that work ? |
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| 07:09.38 | simonrvn | fas3r: it's polite to check other sources first. we can't possibly know everything on anything. |
| 07:10.15 | simonrvn | anom01y: i think the x8 will support x4 |
| 07:10.53 | simonrvn | it's supposed to be backwards compat... but implementation isn't always up to spec.... |
| 07:10.55 | Crypticfortune | question re the latest DSA-1592-1: does this mean that there's now basically a "ping of death" vulnerability in debian/linux-in-general? (DCCP is enabled by default, right?) |
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| 07:11.08 | freebird | please, anyone, http://paste.milk-it.net/715 |
| 07:12.28 | anom01y | I am guessing the reason why I can't compile the XFI drivers (I get unable to detect a supported product on your system) |
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| 07:12.38 | markybob | !pt |
| 07:12.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 07:12.42 | bpun | freebird, i think the network scripts may be deleted.. re-install the networking scripts and fix your proftpd install -- actually look at the proftpd log again properly... it's obvious what its problem is |
| 07:12.44 | anom01y | is because the pci E 1 is plugged into a pci e X8 |
| 07:13.03 | bpun | anom01y, lspci works or not? |
| 07:13.22 | anom01y | lspci reads a creative card |
| 07:13.37 | anom01y | 03:00.0 Audio device: Creative Labs Unknown device 0009 |
| 07:13.39 | streuner | uh |
| 07:13.51 | anom01y | but, there is nothing in /dev/dsp |
| 07:13.59 | streuner | !hcl |
| 07:13.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 07:14.04 | streuner | try kmuto's hcl |
| 07:15.01 | freebird | bpun, hmm, weird, I`ve deleted /etc/rc2.d/ and rc3.d proftpd scripts, but nothing related to the networking scripts, but anyway, which package are you refeering to ?? |
| 07:15.31 | bpun | freebird, dont bother with that for now.. the proftpd has 'debian' as a hostname that isnt being resolved |
| 07:15.58 | bpun | freebird, you know about /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 07:16.00 | simonrvn | anom01y: /dev/dsp is for oss. udev will only create /dev/snd (for ALSA) if the driver for it is loaded, the driver works, and is used by the kernel for the device. |
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| 07:16.53 | anom01y | ok, well how come when I try to compile the drivers for this card I get "no supported devices found" error |
| 07:16.53 | simonrvn | anom01y: is there some reason you're not using the in-kernel driver? does one exist? grep /boot/config-$(uname -r) for it (or read it) |
| 07:17.04 | cahoot | not for x-fi |
| 07:17.13 | simonrvn | anom01y: from what? |
| 07:17.17 | anom01y | simonrvn: no its a new XFi and I had to download the drivers |
| 07:17.28 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 07:17.41 | cahoot | anom01y: can try update-pciids - see that helps |
| 07:17.43 | anom01y | Im kinda thinking of taking it back |
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| 07:18.23 | simonrvn | that's probably best, since it's really new (update-pciids) |
| 07:18.29 | anom01y | ok I did that, but the installer still does not detect anything |
| 07:18.42 | simonrvn | lspci probably shows it? |
| 07:18.46 | bpun | anom01y, i read somewhere from creative there was a beta 64bit driver for it.. |
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| 07:19.07 | anom01y | is a core 2 duo 64 bit ? |
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| 07:20.08 | simonrvn | not TMK |
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| 07:20.46 | anom01y | why would I need 64 bit drivers ? |
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| 07:20.59 | freebird | bpun, I`ve tryed to change debian to the machine ip, localhost than restarting proftpd thru init.d/ and I`m getting this weird error: - IPv4 getaddrinfo 'debian' error: Name or service not known |
| 07:21.10 | bpun | anom01y, is it the fatality model or the extremegamer ? |
| 07:21.14 | freebird | bpun, but at the config file, it`s not debian anymore |
| 07:21.51 | bpun | freebird dunno, for the heck just use the ip.. |
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| 07:22.08 | anom01y | neither |
| 07:22.21 | anom01y | its a pci express xfi extreme audio |
| 07:22.25 | freebird | bpun, yeah, I am, |
| 07:23.12 | bpun | freebird, what machine ip you using? |
| 07:24.06 | freebird | bpun, the one where proftpd is installed |
| 07:24.11 | anom01y | bpun: is that one 64 bit or 32 ? |
| 07:25.26 | bpun | anom01y, strange i see the extremegamer has linux32/64 drivers but not that one.. |
| 07:25.39 | bpun | anom01y, it might be possible it can work with the extremegamer.. just guessing.. |
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| 07:26.00 | anom01y | maybe I will just download the 64 bit and try it |
| 07:26.04 | Coke | Hello folks. Has the alternatives system been cancelled or deprecated? |
| 07:26.14 | Coke | (or maybe replaced with something else?) |
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| 07:27.24 | freebird | bpun, ok, I got it, tks man, I created a line in hosts saying that debian was my host ip, and it works now |
| 07:27.45 | freebird | bpun, forgot about this details, tks for opening my mind, it was really simple |
| 07:28.00 | Coke | I tried installing something that uses the python-central package, but Pycentral (which I think was a stupid idea to begin with) checks th Python version by looking at the binary path name instead of the actual version. Obviously, the string "/etc/alternatives/python" does not contain a "2.4" and thus it fails. I'm reporting a bug right now, but before I send it I'd just like to make sure that the alternatives system is still valid. |
| 07:28.00 | anom01y | bpun: nm the 64 bit is the same as the 32 bit driver package |
| 07:28.01 | bpun | freebird, it may had to do with a restart with bind9 -- not sure.. |
| 07:28.28 | bpun | anom01y, so alsa's site has nothing? |
| 07:28.40 | anom01y | well I got this alsa driver from creative |
| 07:28.53 | bpun | anom01y, this one? http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html |
| 07:28.59 | bpun | anom01y, i just found out about it.. |
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| 07:30.45 | anom01y | not sure if the xfi 32/64 bit drivers are the same as the xfi extreme audio |
| 07:30.49 | bpun | anom01y, try this first -> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ca0106 |
| 07:30.51 | cjg_ | I was just wondering, whats the command to list a directory showing filesize infomation? |
| 07:30.57 | anom01y | bpun: is there two different sets of drivers ? |
| 07:31.09 | bpun | anom01y, use the 64 one.. |
| 07:31.32 | bpun | anom01y, see if this works --> modprobe snd-ca0106 ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 07:32.18 | anom01y | then run the installer ? |
| 07:32.20 | bpun | anom01y, does modprobe snd-ca0106 execute? |
| 07:32.35 | bpun | anom01y, no you may have 'em modules already on debian install |
| 07:33.04 | anom01y | no I am getting "no such file or directory" errors |
| 07:33.07 | anom01y | lots of them |
| 07:33.11 | anom01y | (10) |
| 07:33.21 | bpun | anom01y, ? |
| 07:33.32 | bpun | anom01y, modprobe is a root's command |
| 07:33.43 | anom01y | yeah I ran as root |
| 07:33.43 | cjg_ | how do I run a .run file? |
| 07:34.06 | bpun | cjg_, the site should say.. |
| 07:34.11 | anom01y | http://pastebin.ca/1042660 |
| 07:34.34 | bpun | anom01y, you're not using debian... |
| 07:34.38 | markybob | cjg_, chmod +x foo.run; ./foo.run |
| 07:34.38 | cjg_ | nope |
| 07:34.52 | bpun | anom01y, maybe ubuntu might have a module package.. dunno |
| 07:35.06 | anom01y | well its debian etch |
| 07:35.25 | cjg_ | thanks :) |
| 07:35.30 | bpun | anom01y, well search for kernel stuff and grep alsa |
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| 07:36.31 | cahoot | anom01y: you run an ubuntu kernel on etch? |
| 07:36.41 | anom01y | no |
| 07:36.50 | anom01y | I installed kanotix to the hd |
| 07:36.55 | bpun | cahoot, no he using ubuntu.. he was never using debian.. just caught him lol |
| 07:37.41 | anom01y | http://kanotix.com/ |
| 07:37.46 | bpun | cahoot, i should be screaming at him right now lol |
| 07:37.49 | anom01y | based on debian |
| 07:37.52 | markybob | !based on |
| 07:37.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 07:37.52 | bpun | anom01y, idiot |
| 07:38.06 | bpun | anom01y, why are you telling him to go to kanotix.com ? we dont care |
| 07:38.28 | anom01y | thought it was debian |
| 07:38.37 | markybob | it's not |
| 07:39.03 | anom01y | maybe I will just switch over then one day |
| 07:39.33 | bpun | anom01y, well follow those sites.. and dont ask "debian" ness when you actually should be in #ubuntu or #kanotix.. |
| 07:39.45 | cahoot | anom01y: anyway it seems like more pain than gain to use x-fi on linux atm |
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| 07:39.52 | anom01y | I never thought "based on debian" meant that it was not debian |
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| 07:40.21 | anom01y | well any suggestions on a decent sound card |
| 07:40.23 | anom01y | that works |
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| 07:40.24 | anom01y | ? |
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| 07:40.57 | markybob | anom01y, download the kernel and menuconfig and see which drivers it supports for alsa |
| 07:41.06 | markybob | any of those cards are good |
| 07:41.11 | ex-parrot | can someone tell me what Gnome's suspend option actually calls in lenny? I find that if I pm-suspend I get proper suspend, same with closing my laptop's lid, but gnome just does nothing at all |
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| 07:42.37 | visof | hello |
| 07:43.08 | visof | what should i put in ./xinitrc to start gnome |
| 07:43.18 | visof | exec gnome don't work |
| 07:43.25 | markybob | visof, gnome-session in ~/.xsession |
| 07:43.33 | bpun | visof, i think it's called .xinitrc in ~ if thats what u meant.. |
| 07:43.46 | visof | yeah |
| 07:43.58 | bpun | markybob, isnt it bitch if it should be .Xsession or .xsession? |
| 07:44.26 | markybob | it's ~/.xsession |
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| 07:45.48 | anom01y | how can I switch from something based on debian to debian ? |
| 07:45.58 | cahoot | fresh install |
| 07:46.22 | anom01y | that the only way ??? |
| 07:46.30 | bpun | anom01y, yes |
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| 07:46.39 | cafuego | the only one that won't void your warranty |
| 07:46.50 | anom01y | because I have a serious amount of info I need to back up |
| 07:46.54 | anom01y | save |
| 07:47.05 | cafuego | anom01y: you mean you're not keeping backups now? |
| 07:47.06 | bpun | anom01y, just ~ ? |
| 07:47.10 | anom01y | well, |
| 07:47.16 | anom01y | I have backups yes |
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| 07:47.35 | anom01y | but I need to save my application prefs, bookmarks, ect |
| 07:47.45 | anom01y | I could just save the /home folders |
| 07:47.46 | cafuego | anom01y: there's no need to change /home |
| 07:47.48 | anom01y | and then restore them ? |
| 07:48.08 | cafuego | anom01y: I keep /home on a separate partition, so thyis is never an issue |
| 07:48.15 | cahoot | cafuego: what if /home isn't a separate partition? |
| 07:48.38 | cafuego | cahoot: I'd probably run a livecd and parted it a bit smaller, then make a new / out the rest |
| 07:48.58 | cafuego | so that next time it *is* a partition |
| 07:49.20 | bpun | cafuego, does livecd's parted work with lvm good enough to do this? |
| 07:49.54 | cafuego | bpun: WHy would you need parted if you use lvm already? |
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| 07:50.20 | anom01y | maybe I will just copy /home to another hd, reinstall the os , then copy back the home folders |
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| 07:50.36 | cahoot | anom01y: I still don't believe switching to debian will solve the soundcard issue thogh |
| 07:50.39 | cafuego | anom01y: That;'s probably easiest (even ifit does take longer) |
| 07:50.58 | bpun | cafuego, doesn't parted use lvm for a gui interface.. 'cuse i have no clue about it.. |
| 07:51.06 | anom01y | theres nothing in /home that will be incompatable with debian ? |
| 07:51.16 | cafuego | bpun: Parse error. |
| 07:51.16 | OpenTokix | anom01y: no |
| 07:51.16 | cahoot | anom01y: but pure debian is best anyway (IMO) |
| 07:51.37 | anom01y | (ie, my computer wont freeze when I turn it on becaue /home was used for another distro) |
| 07:51.38 | anom01y | ? |
| 07:51.42 | OpenTokix | anom01y: Do you hav a SB X-Fi? |
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| 07:51.47 | OpenTokix | anom01y: no |
| 07:51.55 | OpenTokix | anom01y: /home has no system-dependent files |
| 07:51.55 | bpun | cafuego, just trying to follow if using parted can work on reducing lvm volumes without deleting data.. |
| 07:51.56 | anom01y | OpenTokix: yeah but it doesnt work |
| 07:52.06 | cafuego | bpun: lvresize |
| 07:52.08 | OpenTokix | anom01y: no, there is no linux-support for SB X-Fi-soundcards |
| 07:52.21 | OpenTokix | anom01y: Except for partial experimental support for five specific models . hold on for paste |
| 07:52.24 | anom01y | I am going to take it back |
| 07:52.27 | bpun | cafuego, and i can probably do it.. but dont think anom01y, ever typed a cmd in his life lol |
| 07:52.35 | cafuego | bpun: you don't resize the VG, you just add an lv for / |
| 07:52.36 | anom01y | get something older and crappier |
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| 07:52.58 | cafuego | bpun: parted not required |
| 07:53.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:53.00 | dpkg | somebody said qotd163 was <Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
| 07:53.15 | OpenTokix | http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html <-- url fro everyone else. |
| 07:53.27 | anom01y | lol I've been typing commands all my life |
| 07:53.46 | anom01y | just hard to get good help these days thats why Im left in the dark |
| 07:53.47 | bpun | cafuego, i know :).. but am wondering if there's a gui or at least a ncurses based gui that can avoid one using the console.. since wondering what the use of livecd is for.. |
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| 07:53.52 | anom01y | everyone is too cocky |
| 07:54.06 | bpun | at times i just go for the rescue cd.. |
| 07:54.13 | OpenTokix | anom01y: I was thru the X-Fi-swamp a while back. Ended up buying el-cheapo-cpi-cards instead. |
| 07:54.18 | cafuego | bpun: The use of the livecd is so you can trash / without being booted off it. |
| 07:54.19 | cahoot | anom01y: see if they have an audigy tucked away somewhere |
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| 07:54.41 | cafuego | bpun: Where 'livecd' may be a simple install cd that allows the use of a shell. |
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| 07:54.49 | bpun | anom01y, ye.. good help for a different distro.. make a lot of sense |
| 07:55.13 | pozic | What happened to traceroute? A while ago I could still do traceroute <host> and get a traceroute... |
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| 07:55.32 | cafuego | anom01y: You need to vut the geeks a bit of slack, "I don't know" burns them ;-) |
| 07:55.33 | bpun | opentokix, creative drivers are very new for his card.. he hasnt even tried it once.. |
| 07:55.35 | pozic | I now have traceroute6, but it doesn't work. |
| 07:55.43 | OpenTokix | bpun: ok |
| 07:55.57 | cafuego | anom01y: So it's easier for them to make fun of you than to adminht they can't help you |
| 07:56.04 | anom01y | lol |
| 07:56.06 | bpun | opentokix, his modprobe soundcore doesnt even run.. on his ubuntu.. |
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| 07:56.17 | cafuego | anom01y: As they get older, this changes |
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| 07:56.40 | OpenTokix | bpun: Tobad |
| 07:56.51 | bpun | well at least for the missing sound kernel mods that can be packaged |
| 07:57.22 | cafuego | shoulds fix his backspace mapping - having to use ^H is annoying |
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| 07:59.13 | milankundera | X chat open dialog error ? |
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| 08:01.15 | anom01y | wow the whole sound card issue make me want to reinstall windoze lol |
| 08:01.22 | OpenTokix | anom01y: hah |
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| 08:01.58 | anom01y | I took out the old sb live card that I had because it was causing my computer to freeze once in a while |
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| 08:02.18 | anom01y | I should just run off the on board sound card |
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| 08:02.59 | cahoot | unless it's an hda-intel ;) |
| 08:03.32 | uws | Is there a reason the latest Debian kernels no longer ship a -k7 variant, but only -686? Is this ok for my (old) AMD Athlon system? |
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| 08:03.55 | SlayerXP | uws: yes, yes. |
| 08:04.04 | uws | SlayerXP: Care to elaborate? :) |
| 08:04.08 | streuner | anom01y: sounds like a IRQ problem, but sb live cards are usually good at this, just try to change the pci slot |
| 08:04.23 | cafuego | don't know the hda-intel, mine's just fine |
| 08:04.25 | cafuego | s/w/k |
| 08:04.26 | bpun | anom01y, you're basically ignorant.. at least the lspci listing your card tells me you are close to even have it working on the existing system.. |
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| 08:04.51 | anom01y | bpun: according to OpenTokix the soundcard is not supported |
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| 08:05.03 | streuner | hm, my sound doesn't work with 2.6.25 (hda-intel) |
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| 08:05.06 | mohadib | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7769/vasescreenom6.jpg\ |
| 08:05.14 | mohadib | flosses the xfce ice |
| 08:05.14 | bpun | anom01y, well thats because he is not using the latest date stamp of the drivers.. he meant months ago.. |
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| 08:05.50 | streuner | mohadib: well, this link is dead |
| 08:06.55 | mohadib | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7769/vasescreenom6.jpg |
| 08:07.04 | mohadib | sorry it was the trailuing / |
| 08:07.14 | anom01y | bpun: this is the card: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=209&subcategory=669&product=16770 |
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| 08:08.19 | anom01y | alsa doesnt recognize it, and I cant find the drivers for it |
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| 08:08.49 | SoulChild | Hello all, does anyone here use emacs ? |
| 08:09.01 | anom01y | nope |
| 08:09.03 | anom01y | not me |
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| 08:09.39 | streuner | in #emacs should be some people who using emacs :-P |
| 08:10.04 | streuner | SoulChild: install, configure problem? |
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| 08:11.18 | cafuego | anom01y: I think that only works with OSS at this point ( |
| 08:11.46 | anom01y | yeah Im just going to take it back |
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| 08:12.27 | cafuego | anom01y: It may work with the latest -rc kernel and svn alsa mayhap... |
| 08:12.48 | bpun | cafuego, there's an installer for his distro, but he doesnt even want to follow their instructions |
| 08:12.54 | SoulChild | streuner: emacs always show this startup screen (terminal-mode) how to deactivate |
| 08:13.04 | cafuego | bpun: installer? |
| 08:13.21 | cafuego | bpun: Unpackaged 3rd party software? I don't blame him |
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| 08:13.27 | bpun | cafuego, well at least in the sense there's provided directions.. but havent opened it myself.. |
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| 08:13.51 | bpun | cafuego, it says SB0790 {Not 20k1 chipset} <<-- so unless it isn't then those drivers may work |
| 08:13.57 | streuner | SoulChild: hm, i don't use emacs, sorry. |
| 08:14.05 | Sebboh | Hi. Some packages (like java runtimes) depend on libx11, despite the fact that my machine is built to be console only. Yeah I really don't need to install defoma and a bunch of fonts.. The result is: "After this operation, 151MB of additional disk space will be used." .. Ok, some of that is java and stuff I do need. Still. Can I install some sort of dummy package and skip all this x11 stuff? |
| 08:14.17 | cafuego | goes to have a lie-down |
| 08:14.37 | cafuego | Sebboh: Not really, no. |
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| 08:15.07 | bpun | http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?searchString=XFiDrv_Linux |
| 08:15.16 | bpun | it says to even double click the stupid file.. |
| 08:15.29 | bpun | and this is for ubuntu lol.. |
| 08:15.31 | Sebboh | cafuego, surely I can skip some of those fonts.. |
| 08:15.40 | cafuego | bpun: Yeah, I wouldn't be too happy using vendor-provided drivers. Brrr. |
| 08:15.55 | bpun | cafuego, wtf.. its for his ubuntu.. what do i care? lol |
| 08:15.56 | anom01y | bpun: I tried that |
| 08:16.14 | anom01y | but when I run the ./installer it sais "no supported card found" |
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| 08:16.23 | Sebboh | bpun, let me guess, a 150mb shell script that auto-decompresses itself and extracts to /usr/bin and company? =P |
| 08:16.36 | Sebboh | shudders |
| 08:16.54 | cafuego | goes to have a lie-down |
| 08:17.02 | Sebboh | night night cafuego. |
| 08:17.07 | bpun | sebb0h, for anom01y's question.. caught him with the pants down from his posted errors he was on ubuntu |
| 08:17.26 | bpun | cafuego, i'm done lol |
| 08:17.41 | anom01y | well I didnt realize "based on debian" was not debian |
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| 08:18.26 | BubbaT | Anyone understand the subtilties of java on debian? |
| 08:18.27 | bpun | anom01y, join #linpeople.. i'm there.. this is undebian |
| 08:18.44 | BubbaT | Especially with amd64 arcitecture. |
| 08:18.44 | andrew[andrboot] | hi i ge tthis "ackage 'glib-2.0', required by 'libmpd', not found" when installing something.. any ideas? |
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| 08:22.48 | Sebboh | bpun, it's mildly disrespectful to deliberately misspell someone's name. |
| 08:22.52 | pozic | !tell Baloo about anyone |
| 08:23.24 | Baloo | pozic: I misfire? |
| 08:23.26 | Sebboh | andrew[andrboot], try apt-get update first ? |
| 08:23.30 | Baloo | pozic: I just joined |
| 08:23.41 | pozic | Baloo: tab completion... |
| 08:23.44 | pozic | Baloo: sorry |
| 08:23.47 | Baloo | pozic: Ah, no problem. |
| 08:23.52 | pozic | !tell BubbaT about anyone |
| 08:23.54 | Sebboh | yes, BubbaT was the target. |
| 08:24.03 | Baloo | I wish there was an easy way to tile windows in gnome. |
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| 08:24.41 | perlmonkey | I think I broke my system :( |
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| 08:24.55 | niklaswe | hmm is kde 4.1 in testing or unstable? |
| 08:25.03 | perlmonkey | whatever package I try and install apt returns: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-6) but 2.7-10 is installed |
| 08:25.09 | Sebboh | Hey, for fun, try to search for packages related to Apache Ant. (Hint, the packages don't contain the word Apache, and *lots* of packages contain /ant/ ) :/ |
| 08:25.47 | andrew[andrboot] | Sebboh doesn't work buddy |
| 08:26.39 | pozic | Baloo: you could use another window manager with Gnome. |
| 08:27.09 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 08:27.19 | Sebboh | andrew[andrboot], I can't read your screen. What doesn't work? apt-get update? |
| 08:27.20 | Baloo | pozic: True, but it falls under "can't be bothered to deal with potential breakage just to fix one thing." I couldn't figure out how to tile under KDE, either. |
| 08:27.38 | pozic | Baloo: tiling window managers are from the 90's ;) |
| 08:27.49 | cjg_ | for some reason im not getting any sound when I run wolfenstein et, im using a sb audigy |
| 08:28.01 | Baloo | pozic: I'm a child of the '90s, it's something I grew up with. |
| 08:28.08 | BubbaT | pozic, I didn't ask if anyone uses a program, I asked if anyone *knew* what was up with java. Maybe I didn't make myself clear in that I was not asking about a problem with java or a java program, but am unclear as to what the method for installing java irght now is. |
| 08:28.36 | perlmonkey | whatever package I try and install apt returns: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-6) but 2.7-10 is installed |
| 08:28.36 | Baloo | pozic: It happens to be really handy for lots of chat windows. I don't like tabs. I've got a high resolution display with an acre of screen space, I can afford to tile. |
| 08:28.43 | pozic | BubbaT: still sounds like anyone to me. |
| 08:28.55 | andrew[andrboot] | @ Sebboh the package is not able to be located in apt-get |
| 08:28.57 | ravenbird | andrew[andrboot]: okay |
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| 08:29.38 | pozic | Baloo: configuring a complex piece of software for your exact needs is always going to be difficult. |
| 08:29.44 | BubbaT | pozic, I take it you have never read dpkgs info for anyone. |
| 08:29.49 | slxix | perlmonkey: have you made any changes to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 08:30.10 | Baloo | pozic: Still, every version of Windows from 3.0 on has it. :o) |
| 08:30.11 | niklaswe | which sources will i use to install kde4 ? |
| 08:30.21 | perlmonkey | xIxix: I don't think so, but I did an apt-get update |
| 08:30.22 | pozic | Baloo: it does? |
| 08:30.28 | pozic | Baloo: how? |
| 08:30.29 | Baloo | pozic: I more or less took it for granted, given how far behind the curve Windows is, that the rest of the world had it. |
| 08:30.43 | Baloo | Recent versions bury it in the task manager. |
| 08:30.52 | pozic | BubbaT: you can take whatever you want, I put you on ignore. |
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| 08:31.21 | Sebboh | BubbaT, the problem is that you are assuming that other people have had the same experience you are having. I use java on Debian every day. I can probably help you. But what the heck do you want? My diary? |
| 08:31.38 | Sebboh | I've done lots of things with java on Debian. Are you getting some error? |
| 08:31.39 | slxix | perlmonkey: try an aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:31.46 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 08:32.14 | slxix | don't thank me unless it works. :) |
| 08:32.20 | Coke | I'm looking for the nspluginwrapper package, it's not available in stable nor testing. Has it been totally removed? |
| 08:32.21 | Sebboh | Question.. Is there some configuration for apt that causes it to auto-choose 'recommended' packages? |
| 08:32.22 | BubbaT | Sebboth, I just want to know what the present suggesterd procedure is for installing a jre on an amd64 system running lenny. |
| 08:32.45 | perlmonkey | I may ditch debian for ubuntu 8.04 if it does not work |
| 08:33.33 | perlmonkey | I've ran debian on my server consistently since 1998, but now I run ubuntu on all my workstations and other systems |
| 08:33.47 | perlmonkey | things have moved on and ubuntu is the way forward now I think |
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| 08:34.04 | Sebboh | BubbaT, personally, I run 32bit OSes on 64bit hardware all the time. If you want to run 64 bit bins, I dunno. If you want to run 32 bit bins, include contrib and non-free in your apt sources and do apt-get install sun-java6-jre . |
| 08:34.07 | abhi_ | perlmonkey, : have u tried apt-get -f install |
| 08:34.18 | Coke | Sebboh: that's odd. |
| 08:34.19 | perlmonkey | abhi_ too scared to |
| 08:34.26 | abhi_ | why |
| 08:34.38 | Coke | Sebboh: why would you do it like that? It's much easier to run 64-bit and just get the 32-bit compability libraries. |
| 08:34.44 | perlmonkey | incase it breaks my system further, the message i'm getting does not look good |
| 08:35.13 | Wesley | My debian netinstall fails at the "installing grub" part; Unable to install GRUB in (hd0) Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. - can anyone help me out with this? been bugging me for 4 days now |
| 08:35.17 | Sebboh | Coke, what? The hardware supports 32bit OSes natively. |
| 08:35.31 | Sebboh | *that*'s easier. |
| 08:35.32 | abhi_ | perlmonkey, : I think it will not break the system. it will try to solve the dependency problem. |
| 08:35.33 | Sebboh | :) |
| 08:35.36 | perlmonkey | I must of missed something |
| 08:35.41 | Wesley | tried manual and guided partitioning. |
| 08:35.51 | BubbaT | What is the differnce between the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions? |
| 08:36.58 | starscalling | BubbaT: unless you have a lot of ram go 32bit |
| 08:37.03 | Sebboh | Bubba, well, for 64, you have to go find a 64bit version of everything from your OS to your java.. ;P *cough* |
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| 08:37.34 | BubbaT | starcalling, what is "a lot". |
| 08:37.42 | Coke | Sebboh: missing 64-bit though |
| 08:37.59 | ^russ | starscalling: whats alot of ram? |
| 08:38.06 | ^russ | oops - dupe :P |
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| 08:38.33 | BubbaT | I have 2G. Since for the last ten years I had 512M and that seemed like a lot when I first installed it.... |
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| 08:39.16 | slxix | BubbaT: personally, i'd only use 64bit if i were trying to port things to 64bit. i think 4GB is the 32bit limit without the himem kernel patch. (no quoting, please.:) |
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| 08:39.40 | Coke | slxix: using 64-bits has little to do with that memory limit |
| 08:40.01 | BubbaT | Sebboh, I already said I had the amd64 version. So the 64 bit version of java is no problem. |
| 08:40.17 | Coke | slxix: the new 64-bit CPU's have extensions and ability to process multiple 32-bit values, there's a notable performance difference. |
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| 08:41.03 | BubbaT | Coke, so unless there is an explicit reason for using 32 bit, 64 bit is the way to go. |
| 08:41.16 | Coke | BubbaT: of course. that's why hardware vendors are producing it. |
| 08:41.36 | Sebboh | Hi Xuff. ltns. |
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| 08:42.14 | slxix | Coke: ok. i'll look that up. |
| 08:42.15 | Sebboh | how do I configure apt to not install recommends? |
| 08:42.23 | fireba11 | Hi, got a drive "missing" from my raid5 .. now i want to find out what happened to it first bevore replacing it, any tips ? |
| 08:42.29 | streuner | thats default, Sebboh |
| 08:42.41 | Coke | There's also the matter of running "compatible" archs. You can run linux in 386 compatible mode if you want and lose the last 15 years of development. |
| 08:42.47 | streuner | (not to install recommends) |
| 08:43.01 | Sebboh | streuner, ok, how do I un-modify it? |
| 08:43.05 | Sebboh | :) |
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| 08:43.21 | \amethyst | streuner: I thought the default changed sometime after etch was released? |
| 08:43.26 | Sebboh | (For what it's worth, I don't recall modifying it.. it's a pretty new lenny box.) |
| 08:43.33 | Trewas | Sebboh: put "APT::Install-Recommends false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:43.37 | Chris-NB | hi |
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| 08:44.10 | Chris-NB | somebody knows what kernel modules/drivers are needed for this hardware? IDE interface: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 07f0 (rev a2) |
| 08:44.14 | slxix | perlmonkey: are you making progress? |
| 08:44.19 | Sebboh | Trewas, does that file work if I also have an apt.conf.d ? Oh, hell, nevermind, I'll just put a file of my own in there.. 10Sebboh eh? |
| 08:44.21 | msshams | i see that load of my server is more than 60! at this time i see TOP command and see that cpu and mem usage are normal! then if i stop apache2, load starts down! can you help me why this is happen? |
| 08:45.05 | perlmonkey | sIxix: my system is definitely broken |
| 08:45.25 | perlmonkey | There are now 1 broken [-1], 256 updates [-9]. |
| 08:45.35 | Trewas | Sebboh: I have both, whatever is in apt.conf.d by default and apt.conf disables recommends-installing and pdiffs |
| 08:45.43 | Chris-NB | I've nVIDIA SATA driver included in the Kernel (sata_nv) but get a kernel panic that the the root file system (hda1) can not be found : / |
| 08:45.56 | perlmonkey | sIxix:wow I think your suggestion fixed it tho |
| 08:45.58 | markybob | Chris-NB, use initrd |
| 08:46.12 | Sebboh | Trewas, ok. Just curious, what's wrong with pdiffs? |
| 08:46.17 | OpenTokix | Chris-NB: if you run SATA, root would be sda1 and not hda1 |
| 08:46.30 | Chris-NB | markybob, how can I do that? never used initrd |
| 08:46.36 | Chris-NB | OpenTokix, tried with sda1 too |
| 08:46.50 | perlmonkey | is there a way to stop a package being updated or upgraded |
| 08:46.55 | OpenTokix | Chris-NB: if that is your root ofc. =) |
| 08:46.56 | Trewas | Sebboh: using them is very slow compared to the traditional way (in 100mbit network at least) |
| 08:46.57 | perlmonkey | which is broken/causing problems |
| 08:47.04 | markybob | Chris-NB, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image --kernel_headers --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 08:47.06 | OpenTokix | Chris-NB: boot a live-CD and then do fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 08:47.25 | markybob | Chris-NB, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 08:47.49 | Chris-NB | OpenTokix, I've an older kernel (2.6.18 from debian) which boots, and there it's hda1 |
| 08:47.56 | perlmonkey | is there a way to exclude a package from apt upgrades |
| 08:48.07 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 08:48.07 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 08:48.09 | markybob | !tell perlmonkey about pinning |
| 08:48.11 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 08:48.17 | Sebboh | Trewas, I see. I think that the speed advantage with pdiffs comes from when you auto-run update every day on some script.. (I only run manually, myself..) |
| 08:48.33 | Chris-NB | markybob, okay. then I've to add the initrd line to the kernel config. anything else? |
| 08:48.39 | OpenTokix | Chris-NB: ok |
| 08:49.13 | perlmonkey | !hold |
| 08:49.13 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 08:49.13 | markybob | Chris-NB, that should do it unless you serious misconfigured it :P |
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| 08:49.56 | slxix | perlmonkey: did you recently upgrade debian distributions? |
| 08:50.13 | perlmonkey | I think I did |
| 08:50.42 | Chris-NB | markybob, okay : D thanks, I'll try |
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| 08:51.57 | \amethyst | you could use \p\@!. to match a non-printable character |
| 08:51.59 | \amethyst | doh |
| 08:52.06 | Chris-NB | markybob, does this build the whole kernel freshlyß |
| 08:52.15 | perlmonkey | I've been running Debian for 10 years and only upgraded dist a few times |
| 08:52.18 | markybob | Chris-NB, yes |
| 08:52.29 | Chris-NB | markybob, even if it's allready built? |
| 08:52.39 | markybob | Chris-NB, yes |
| 08:52.45 | Chris-NB | markybob, okay. |
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| 08:53.05 | olspookishmagus | how come I don't have mkfs.vfat in my system; |
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| 08:53.29 | BubbaT | Is the procedure replacing xhost still to copy .Xauthority? |
| 08:53.33 | slxix | perlmonkey: makes sense. debian likes stable to be stable. :) |
| 08:53.47 | markybob | olspookishmagus, because you dont have dosfstools installed? |
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| 08:54.35 | Chris-NB | markybob, it's only building a few things again, and installing the modules again. but not recompiling the whole kernel |
| 08:54.55 | markybob | Chris-NB, that's fine. it'll make .deb packages for you to install |
| 08:55.08 | Chris-NB | markybob, okay. |
| 08:55.17 | markybob | Chris-NB, you dpkg -i the two packages that it makes |
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| 08:55.23 | perlmonkey | I see |
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| 08:55.39 | perlmonkey | sIxix: I was running testing |
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| 08:55.48 | perlmonkey | (lenny) |
| 08:55.52 | Chris-NB | markybob, does it automatically alter menu.list from grub? or do I have to hand edit it? |
| 08:56.10 | markybob | Chris-NB, it does |
| 08:56.16 | Chris-NB | markw, nice : D |
| 08:56.58 | slxix | perlmonkey: any packages giving you problems now? |
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| 08:58.44 | olspookishmagus | markybob: thanks-a-lot |
| 08:58.44 | perlmonkey | sIxix: only amuled-daemon but that has been giving me problems since day one, I have put it on hold |
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| 08:59.49 | perlmonkey | sIxix: I'm very grateful for your help, at least my system is not broke now and I can install GD modules for Perl and make some nice charts |
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| 09:00.22 | Coke | When trying to install a plugin using nspluginwrapper -i I get "no appropriate viewer found". The "solutions" I've found so far all include downloading RPM packages of the nspluginwrapper and converting it using alien. Is there a way to make the Debian package work instead? |
| 09:00.37 | olspookishmagus | should someone wait for: |
| 09:00.37 | olspookishmagus | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 09:00.37 | olspookishmagus | to terminate normaly? |
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| 09:01.09 | slxix | perlmonkey: i don't think amuled-daemon is supported in debian anymore. |
| 09:01.55 | slxix | oh. amule-daemon? nevermind. :) |
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| 09:02.07 | Alarm | goodmorning. i got a simple problem with my external usb HDD . it is a 1 Ntfs partition . when i turn the HDD on, and try to get into the the drive , i get the error message: could not enter folder /media/Movable . |
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| 09:03.17 | Alarm | as much i see the user i am using , is member of the group plugdev, if this is also a factor |
| 09:03.31 | cahoot | Alarm: the dir exists? |
| 09:03.35 | Alarm | yes |
| 09:03.43 | Coke | Alarm: is it mounted? |
| 09:03.51 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:/media$ cd Movable/ |
| 09:03.51 | Alarm | bash: cd: Movable/: Permission denied |
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| 09:04.06 | Alarm | mtab file shows me: /dev/sda1 /media/Movable ntfs rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,utf8 0 0 |
| 09:04.45 | Coke | Alarm: I have no idea how those automount thingies setup permissions, but you don't have permissions. |
| 09:05.05 | Alarm | with my usb flash , i dont got any problem at all, its being automounted without any problem |
| 09:05.29 | Alarm | i tried also to pmount it , but : alarm@rockpc:/media$ pmount /dev/sda1 ------- Error: device /dev/sda1 is already mounted to /media/Movable |
| 09:05.47 | slxix | Alarm: try adding gid=# to your mtab for it. |
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| 09:06.14 | Alarm | to my mtab or fstab ? |
| 09:06.34 | Alarm | things in mtab arent permanently |
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| 09:06.55 | slxix | right, fstab. |
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| 09:07.22 | Alarm | slxix, i aint got a line for my hdd on the fstab since the external driver should be automounted |
| 09:08.33 | slxix | what filesystem is on it? |
| 09:09.05 | Alarm | ntfs |
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| 09:12.22 | slxix | what does the auto mounting for you? |
| 09:12.32 | Alarm | mount it automaticaly ? |
| 09:12.38 | slxix | yes. |
| 09:12.52 | Alarm | damn i am smart |
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| 09:16.26 | AlexCONRAD | hi all, I'd like to use debconf-set-selections to pre-seed the debconf database with answers. But how can I retrieve/extract the questions that the .deb file will ask me? |
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| 09:17.27 | batcoder-7 | hi quick question |
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| 09:17.53 | batcoder-7 | anyway i can disable certain parts of the computer from the kernel or something like CD rom drive and floppy ? to save power ? |
| 09:17.59 | batcoder-7 | without having to manually pull it out |
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| 09:18.45 | slxix | batcoder-7: you could search your BIOS. |
| 09:19.40 | slxix | just remember that if you disable a device, others might fall victim. (as is the case on my laptop, one irq manages a couple different devices.) |
| 09:20.03 | Alarm | batcoder-7, or bios, or dont mount them :) |
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| 09:20.11 | family | !help |
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| 09:20.15 | rvsjoen | couldnt you just unload the modules ? |
| 09:21.12 | batcoder-7 | i mean i jus dont want to waste power on it if its not being used |
| 09:21.22 | batcoder-7 | i would liek a 0 power useage from it |
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| 09:21.33 | Nyle | I've been upu for 24 hours |
| 09:21.39 | Nyle | I feel retarded. |
| 09:21.40 | batcoder-7 | Congrats ? |
| 09:21.53 | Nyle | batcoder-7, no, no congrats :( |
| 09:21.53 | batcoder-7 | does your head hurt ? |
| 09:21.58 | Nyle | my back hurts |
| 09:22.25 | Alarm | batcoder-7, the power that an hdd, cdrom or floppy uses is really low |
| 09:22.37 | Alarm | we talk about 10watt per device, for floppy even less |
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| 09:22.56 | Alarm | what u need is a cpu or vga that doesnt require 200watt for a vga or 95watt for a cpu |
| 09:23.22 | rvsjoen | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption |
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| 09:23.47 | slxix | Alarm: have you logged out/logged in since the account was added to plugdev? |
| 09:23.56 | Alarm | yes |
| 09:23.59 | rvsjoen | check out powertop |
| 09:24.28 | batcoder-7 | whati s powertop ? |
| 09:24.32 | batcoder-7 | whati htink it is ? |
| 09:24.36 | slxix | !powertop |
| 09:24.36 | dpkg | a Linux tool that finds the software component(s) that make your laptop use more power than necessary while it is idle. See http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php for more info. Also ask me about <power saving> |
| 09:24.38 | Alarm | the opposide of lowertop |
| 09:25.12 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 09:25.17 | batcoder-7 | this is a server |
| 09:25.26 | batcoder-7 | i wa jus tryign to save a few watts |
| 09:25.36 | rvsjoen | its still useful |
| 09:26.02 | batcoder-7 | i know where all the overhead will be |
| 09:26.02 | slxix | powertop works on my laptop when it's not on battery. :) |
| 09:26.17 | pozic | How do I restart my gnome desktop? (All the icons on the Desktop are gone). |
| 09:26.34 | batcoder-7 | i was jsu thining maybe the cdrom and floopy might free up 20 watts or something |
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| 09:28.54 | slxix | pozic: alt-control-backspace should shutdown your current display. |
| 09:29.20 | pozic | slxix: no way I am going to do that. |
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| 09:30.39 | slxix | kill -HUP on the desktop process? |
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| 09:31.01 | pozic | slxix: never mind, some smb mount was causing the problem. |
| 09:31.40 | pozic | Well, of course the software just has a bug, because good software would never crash like this... |
| 09:32.05 | batcoder-7 | i mena is it possible for a system to use around 100 watts of power ? |
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| 09:32.53 | eSa| | tell me if you're able to |
| 09:33.25 | adv | i'm calling aptitude install postfix from a script. how can i instruct it not to bring up the ncurses interface? |
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| 09:34.28 | slxix | adv: i didn't think it does when you write that? |
| 09:34.37 | adv | it does |
| 09:34.47 | adv | like dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 09:34.49 | adv | same thing |
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| 09:38.39 | batcoder-7 | is there any REALLLLLY light linux for old systems ? |
| 09:39.01 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: depends how old? |
| 09:39.10 | batcoder-7 | 32 mb of ram |
| 09:39.19 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: not really if you wanna run X11 and whatnot |
| 09:39.21 | slxix | adv, maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 will help you? |
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| 09:39.42 | zamba | how can i review what's in the "queue" to be installed? |
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| 09:39.53 | zamba | when i try to install postfix is brings with it lots and lots of other packages |
| 09:40.01 | zamba | which i suspect is left after a failed upgrade earlier |
| 09:40.03 | batcoder-7 | OpenTokix: http://www.delilinux.de/ << what do you think about this ? |
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| 09:40.17 | zamba | but dist-upgrade/upgrade don't show these packages, so they must be somewhere else in the "queue" |
| 09:41.03 | slxix | zamba: try "aptitude why packagename" or why-not |
| 09:41.40 | zamba | slxix: you're kidding me, right? :) |
| 09:42.02 | Bleupomme | Hello, when I shutdown or reboot my computer, it stays stuck at INIT: no more processes in this runlevel. It seems the scripts starting with "S" are not executed in /etc/rc0.d/. could anyone help me fix this? |
| 09:42.35 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: looks promising, even tho 32M is pretty slim with RAM I think |
| 09:42.40 | batcoder-7 | how much does the kernel plus X use ? |
| 09:42.54 | zamba | batcoder-7: how much of what? |
| 09:42.58 | batcoder-7 | ram |
| 09:42.59 | batcoder-7 | sorry |
| 09:43.00 | slxix | batcoder-7: what do you want to do with the system? |
| 09:43.07 | batcoder-7 | its just for fun |
| 09:43.11 | batcoder-7 | i found an old system |
| 09:43.13 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: I would say go for atleast 64M |
| 09:43.24 | batcoder-7 | it has 32 :P |
| 09:43.28 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: prolly 128 and you're set - shouldnt be to hard to find for that machine |
| 09:43.39 | zamba | slxix: i haven't got the why/why not-option to aptitude |
| 09:43.45 | batcoder-7 | 128 is quite a bit |
| 09:43.55 | batcoder-7 | i used ot run XP on that pretty smooth |
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| 09:44.43 | slxix | batcoder-7: i think distrowatch.com has a list of many linux distributions. |
| 09:45.02 | batcoder-7 | is there any lighter X then the popular used one ? |
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| 09:45.48 | slxix | you can run X, just don't consider running gnome or kde. :) |
| 09:45.56 | batcoder-7 | i wouldnt do that |
| 09:46.04 | batcoder-7 | fluxbox |
| 09:46.21 | Nyle | enlightenment |
| 09:46.26 | batcoder-7 | either |
| 09:46.28 | batcoder-7 | or |
| 09:46.34 | batcoder-7 | a wm to me is a wm |
| 09:46.41 | Nyle | indeeeed |
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| 09:46.59 | batcoder-7 | now a DE to a DE can be a complicated choice |
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| 09:48.45 | psilocyb1n | I woke up this morning, was thunderstorm, i unplugged my laptop and went back to sleep. battery run out, and computer was powered down suddenly. |
| 09:49.01 | eSa| | scary |
| 09:49.05 | psilocyb1n | now i can use keyboard on terminal, but gdm login screen locks keyboard completely |
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| 09:49.15 | psilocyb1n | only sys rq works then |
| 09:49.25 | slxix | batcoder-7: i had a 486 with 32 megs of ram. i booted linux from a floppy, and it would setup on a ramdisk. i used it as a gateway between my LAN and a cablemodem. |
| 09:49.43 | psilocyb1n | so, should i purge and reinstall gdm? or is the fault in X? |
| 09:50.11 | eSa| | either one of them, or maybe something else |
| 09:50.19 | family | i need a bit of help i found xfree86 complete on the debian search packages site it says its in security unstable how do i do that with this link deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 09:50.25 | batcoder-7 | a 486 is quite a bit older |
| 09:50.52 | family | oh its in sarge security unstable |
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| 09:51.33 | slxix | it worked great considering it didn't have a hard drive. it took a bolt of lightning to (temporarily) take it down. (capacitors hold a lot of smoke.) |
| 09:52.00 | batcoder-7 | i see |
| 09:52.04 | batcoder-7 | what happened to the HD ? |
| 09:52.28 | slxix | nothing. it just didn't need one. |
| 09:52.40 | batcoder-7 | did you buy this or did you buy it way back ? |
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| 09:52.59 | batcoder-7 | a 486 is pretty old |
| 09:53.13 | slxix | this was 9 years ago. |
| 09:53.29 | batcoder-7 | even then lol |
| 09:53.36 | batcoder-7 | 486 wasl iek what 91 ? |
| 09:53.46 | family | oh i think i got it its in sarge oldstable |
| 09:54.42 | batcoder-7 | 89 i was wrong |
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| 09:55.58 | slxix | batcoder-7: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Old+computers&origin=All&basedon=All&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active |
| 09:58.13 | batcoder-7 | DSL supports only X86 PCs. The minimum system requirements are a 486 processor and 8 MB of RAM. DSL has been demonstrated browsing the web with Dillo, running simple games and playing music on systems with a 486 processor and 16 MB of RAM. The system requirements are higher for running Mozilla Firefox and optional add-ons such as the OpenOffice.org office suite. |
| 09:58.14 | batcoder-7 | not bad |
| 09:59.08 | batcoder-7 | oops sorry for kinda long thing it didn't look that long |
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| 09:59.47 | slxix | if you want to run things above it's capability, add a lot of swap and be prepared to wait. :) |
| 09:59.55 | family | okay serious question Xfree86-common if i install this will i need anything else to get a xsession or just this |
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| 10:00.13 | batcoder-7 | i am impressed with firefox 3 as well they ficed alot of stuff there |
| 10:00.54 | family | basically im getting rid of my xsession-xorg-server and xorg and replacing it with xfree86 but will it run or do i need anything else |
| 10:01.09 | family | oops |
| 10:01.20 | family | xserver-xorg |
| 10:01.48 | family | any how i am a bit tired and working through this just making sure if it will or wont work how im expecting. |
| 10:02.11 | wols | family: why would you do that? |
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| 10:03.06 | family | im crazy |
| 10:03.14 | family | no no im trying to make a small systeem |
| 10:03.18 | family | system |
| 10:03.49 | wols | family: http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/tinyX01.html |
| 10:03.58 | wols | better than XFree86 |
| 10:04.01 | family | xfree86 is alot smaller in size then xorg plus xserve |
| 10:04.04 | family | oh yea |
| 10:04.09 | wols | but: how is it debian related? |
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| 10:04.16 | family | haha |
| 10:04.43 | family | well xfree86 is like 50 somthing mbs |
| 10:05.02 | family | wols this is for my tinny eeepc and a phone :P |
| 10:05.12 | wols | that doesn't answer the question |
| 10:06.10 | family | how is it debian relate? I beleive xfree86 is in your sarge package oldstable im going to use it with lenny and i wanted advise to see if it would work or not :) |
| 10:06.35 | slxix | wow. |
| 10:06.38 | family | i think its debian related? |
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| 10:07.41 | family | oh and also wanted to know if the X would open up after i remove everything else xorg and xserver, I guess im going to just have to do it and see |
| 10:07.53 | family | thank you wols |
| 10:08.30 | family | that site is pretty neat too |
| 10:09.20 | themill | family: how is a monolithic xfree86 smaller than a modular xorg? |
| 10:09.37 | slxix | so i think the question is: why would you want to do it with debian? :) |
| 10:09.58 | family | well my xserver-xorg plus xorg install is 200mb |
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| 10:10.17 | eSa| | show off |
| 10:10.30 | family | and im not sure of the size xfree86 is suppose to be about 58 megs or so |
| 10:10.42 | psilocyb1n | so? |
| 10:10.46 | psilocyb1n | nobody knows about X? |
| 10:10.48 | psilocyb1n | and gdm? |
| 10:10.52 | family | wdm |
| 10:10.59 | family | woot |
| 10:11.17 | themill | family: you missed the key point. modular. You don't need to install all the drivers you don't need. |
| 10:11.49 | family | hmm so if i remove all the drivers what would the size come out to? |
| 10:11.57 | slxix | psilocyb1n: i doubt your question is one of gdm and X. |
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| 10:12.52 | family | pretty much im trying to strip the system to the bone and build it up with the least space in mind. but i have to have fvwm its a must |
| 10:12.57 | slxix | it worked before power interrupted. it didn't work after. i wouldn't blame X or gdm. |
| 10:13.41 | family | okay ill be back in a bit see what happens |
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| 10:14.00 | family | *tinkering is fun, Unless you screw up. :P |
| 10:14.03 | psilocyb1n | i would |
| 10:14.08 | psilocyb1n | because now i'm typing in terminal |
| 10:14.15 | psilocyb1n | keyboard works fine |
| 10:14.34 | psilocyb1n | is either X or gdm that messed up it's config |
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| 10:15.12 | defrysk | or your vidcard got zapped |
| 10:15.30 | slxix | you could try to reconfigure packages you think were affected. |
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| 10:15.54 | themill | psilocyb1n: lenny? |
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| 10:16.16 | psilocyb1n | debian etch. |
| 10:16.25 | slxix | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:17.44 | themill | psilocyb1n: have you tried startx from the command line? Have you recently upgraded your kernel? Anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 10:17.56 | psilocyb1n | nothing in varlogxorg |
| 10:18.08 | themill | psilocyb1n: what do you mean by nothing? |
| 10:18.09 | psilocyb1n | i updated kernel last week and it has been working fine. |
| 10:18.17 | psilocyb1n | well something, but no errors |
| 10:18.20 | psilocyb1n | or anything |
| 10:18.23 | themill | psilocyb1n: have you rebooted since updating your kernal |
| 10:18.26 | psilocyb1n | i read it all through |
| 10:18.26 | themill | *el |
| 10:18.28 | psilocyb1n | yes i have |
| 10:18.33 | psilocyb1n | many times |
| 10:18.43 | psilocyb1n | and sudden poweroff occured earlier too |
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| 10:18.47 | psilocyb1n | on friday |
| 10:18.53 | psilocyb1n | but booted up fine after that anyway |
| 10:19.18 | wols | do a startx and pastebin us the Xorg.0.log please |
| 10:19.35 | psilocyb1n | hm. ok. |
| 10:19.35 | themill | !pastebin pipe |
| 10:19.38 | wols | and: how far does it go? ie what's sown on screen? |
| 10:19.53 | psilocyb1n | it goes all the way to the login |
| 10:19.59 | psilocyb1n | everything looks fine, and mouse works too |
| 10:20.07 | psilocyb1n | and ctrl alt backspace works too |
| 10:20.26 | themill | dpkg: literal pastebin pipe |
| 10:20.27 | dpkg | "pastebin pipe" is "Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on sid." |
| 10:20.27 | psilocyb1n | but can't type anything, doesn't show any characters when i try type my userlogin |
| 10:20.31 | efaistos | does someone know why when i create a directory in my ~/ i have it on my desktop ?! |
| 10:21.03 | themill | dondelelcaro: pastebin pipe is another factoid you can add to your list of misbehaving factoids. |
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| 10:21.17 | psilocyb1n | ah thx |
| 10:21.33 | wols | if you run startx there is no login! |
| 10:21.58 | psilocyb1n | i haven't done startx yet, wait a second |
| 10:22.10 | psilocyb1n | startx as root or normal? |
| 10:22.30 | defrysk | root |
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| 10:23.46 | psilocyb1n | ok |
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| 10:24.23 | psilocyb1n | i used startx as root, it started x and also gdm? ... somehow, and desktop appeared, and i opened gedit, but still nothing comes when i try type something. |
| 10:25.19 | ArthurArchnix1 | I can't find mencoder in any of the testing repos |
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| 10:25.54 | themill | ArthurArchnix1: it's on debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 10:25.59 | arccsine | <bpun> fas3r, usually freeradius is something for expert users... |
| 10:26.06 | arccsine | doubt anyone else here atm is using it |
| 10:26.11 | slxix | so you can't type to applications, but alt-control-backspace will take you out of X. |
| 10:26.38 | arccsine | oh he is not here |
| 10:26.38 | psilocyb1n | yes |
| 10:26.46 | fas3r | yes i'm here :) |
| 10:27.32 | arccsine | fas3r: I was gonna ask bpun if debian isn,t for experts |
| 10:27.40 | fas3r | :) |
| 10:27.41 | slxix | sounds like the window isn't active to me... :) |
| 10:27.46 | arccsine | then who |
| 10:28.06 | arccsine | ubuntu?? |
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| 10:28.55 | niru | In latest xorg |
| 10:29.07 | niru | where is the resolution info stored except in xorg.conf file |
| 10:29.20 | niru | I see when I remove the resolution entirely fromt he xorg.conf file |
| 10:29.26 | niru | still I get the screen |
| 10:29.35 | niru | which file is doing that this time |
| 10:29.36 | psilocyb1n | ok |
| 10:29.53 | psilocyb1n | http://pastebin.ca/1042768 |
| 10:30.07 | pete_ | niru: strace it. I guess it uses some default settings or .bak files |
| 10:30.08 | psilocyb1n | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:30.46 | themill | niru: xorg in lenny/sid tries to do everything without a config file. It queries your monitor and video card and does the best it can. |
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| 10:32.07 | psilocyb1n | hm. |
| 10:33.04 | themill | psilocyb1n: is dvorak right for your kb layout? |
| 10:33.44 | psilocyb1n | no |
| 10:33.48 | psilocyb1n | but dvorak works fine |
| 10:33.49 | psilocyb1n | :) |
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| 10:34.24 | slxix | try running X without a window manager, just an xterm or such. |
| 10:34.27 | psilocyb1n | i started kdm too, but no work |
| 10:34.38 | Uranellus | hello, is there a mirror around with 4.0r2 for ARM ? |
| 10:34.42 | psilocyb1n | so must be that x is crazy |
| 10:34.47 | psilocyb1n | i'd reinstall it now. |
| 10:34.48 | psilocyb1n | :P |
| 10:35.08 | themill | psilocyb1n: as slxix suggested, try running x without a wm but have it running xev inside an xterm to see whether it's seeing keypresses. |
| 10:35.32 | slxix | oh, i like xev. |
| 10:35.35 | WormFood | does anyone here use scim with sid? |
| 10:35.38 | psilocyb1n | how i run without a wm? |
| 10:35.47 | psilocyb1n | it starts a wm automatically |
| 10:36.09 | ArthurArchnix1 | themill thanks for the link. I've added the repo and used lavenes guide to pin it at a lower priority than my regular Lenny repos |
| 10:36.23 | ArthurArchnix1 | Also, got mencoder installed. :) Thakns. |
| 10:36.28 | themill | ArthurArchnix1: no worries :) |
| 10:36.31 | slxix | psilocyb1n: do you have an ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 10:37.01 | psilocyb1n | no |
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| 10:37.07 | psilocyb1n | not in root home, nor in user home |
| 10:37.21 | slxix | echo xterm > ~/.xinitrc |
| 10:38.26 | WormFood | I'm the only one here using scim on sid? |
| 10:39.03 | psilocyb1n | for the user or root home? |
| 10:39.07 | psilocyb1n | ok |
| 10:39.08 | psilocyb1n | root home |
| 10:39.21 | WormFood | user home |
| 10:39.28 | WormFood | never run X11 as root |
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| 10:40.10 | psilocyb1n | hm |
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| 10:40.33 | psilocyb1n | keyboard still not working, only xterm started |
| 10:40.49 | psilocyb1n | warning: locale not supported by xlib, locale set to C |
| 10:41.04 | psilocyb1n | warning: locale modifiers not supported, using default |
| 10:41.10 | psilocyb1n | failed to open input method |
| 10:41.18 | psilocyb1n | synaptics deviceoff called |
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| 10:41.54 | niru | themill, now i want to change the resolution not through gnome-display-properties |
| 10:42.01 | niru | but through command or file |
| 10:42.04 | niru | how to do that |
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| 10:42.32 | visof | hello |
| 10:42.40 | WormFood | niru, I believe xrandr can do it |
| 10:42.45 | themill | niru: does xrandr help? |
| 10:43.23 | slxix | psilocyb1n: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 10:43.31 | Uranellus | is there still a mirror around with 4.0r2 for ARM arch? (I really need r2 because I've got the kernel from r2 installed already and the installer cannot find any modules) |
| 10:43.49 | visof | my language settings seem to be causing trouble |
| 10:44.11 | visof | when i use man i have :man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
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| 10:44.19 | visof | can anyone help? |
| 10:44.34 | niru | themill, WormFood it just displays the output but how to set |
| 10:44.43 | themill | niru: man xrandr |
| 10:44.48 | pete_ | visof: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:44.57 | visof | i did |
| 10:45.07 | visof | and choose what i want |
| 10:45.08 | pete_ | did you logout and login again? |
| 10:45.14 | visof | no |
| 10:45.18 | pete_ | try that |
| 10:45.21 | visof | i'll try |
| 10:45.23 | visof | okay |
| 10:45.27 | WormFood | breaks out the spoon |
| 10:45.39 | WormFood | niru, --fb <width>x<height> Reconfigures the screen to the specified size. |
| 10:46.36 | psilocyb1n | still not working, i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and added some, i have finnish and english iso-88whatever and UTF8 |
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| 10:47.30 | slxix | psilocyb1n: did you logout and login? :) |
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| 10:47.37 | family | that really sucked |
| 10:47.42 | family | :P |
| 10:47.59 | niru | WormFood, ok |
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| 10:48.18 | WormFood | that good family? |
| 10:48.20 | psilocyb1n | :| |
| 10:48.31 | psilocyb1n | /etc/init.d/gdm stop and start |
| 10:48.33 | family | okay so lets try this another way how do i shrink xorg down? removing the drivers i dont need apt-get remove each one individually |
| 10:48.43 | family | psilocybln |
| 10:48.46 | family | what are you doing |
| 10:48.49 | adv | i'm calling aptitude install postfix from a script. how can i instruct it not to bring up the ncurses interface? |
| 10:48.55 | adv | the configuration |
| 10:48.57 | family | just type gdm at su |
| 10:49.04 | psilocyb1n | i'm purging xorg-server and all others |
| 10:49.15 | family | lol |
| 10:49.17 | psilocyb1n | and going for cig, see u soon |
| 10:49.19 | slxix | psilocyb1n: logout and login on the terminal you're running startx from. |
| 10:49.35 | family | he said hes purging it all |
| 10:49.52 | family | so startx would be gon wouldnt it? |
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| 10:49.59 | family | *gone |
| 10:50.01 | wols | adv: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:50.09 | psilocyb1n | yes, i'll reinstall it then, i backuped xorg.conf |
| 10:50.16 | family | aww |
| 10:50.18 | psilocyb1n | stupid way but i'm bored already |
| 10:50.19 | psilocyb1n | :P |
| 10:50.34 | wols | psilocyb1n: only the X keyboard drivers |
| 10:50.37 | family | :) sounds like me and my dumb ass xfree86 idea |
| 10:50.42 | slxix | family: right. but if locales is the problem, the old locale data will still be on that login. |
| 10:50.46 | adv | wols: can i put noninteractive to some env variable and do the same? |
| 10:50.57 | wols | adv: no clue actually |
| 10:51.07 | adv | there was one |
| 10:51.12 | family | yeppper thats true |
| 10:51.33 | slxix | assuming we're still using startx and not gdm. :) |
| 10:51.47 | family | i just did that with xfree86 and found out xfree86 sucks but it does keep locales |
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| 10:52.02 | family | slxix haha |
| 10:52.18 | family | maybe he should have just used gdm |
| 10:52.47 | slxix | you missed most of the troubleshooting. :) |
| 10:53.15 | family | oh yea? i was gone pretty long, trying to trouble shoot my own |
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| 10:54.28 | family | wols betcha laughing now, This was a pretty stupid idea now that i think about it. |
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| 10:56.58 | WormFood | beats his head against his keyboard |
| 10:57.09 | family | why |
| 10:57.12 | slxix | oh that poor keyboard. |
| 10:57.26 | family | laugh at slxix |
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| 10:58.39 | WormFood | I can't find anyone else that is running scim on sid, to compare notes |
| 10:58.46 | family | well i need to wipe my drive and start again i cant keep with all the crap messing around i have done. This time ill do the netinstall and remove the modules from xorg that i dont need |
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| 10:59.35 | family | oooh sid i used it for awhile got bored and screwed things up and switched the os again |
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| 11:00.22 | family | actually i have distro hopped to almost everything but then i come back to debian. Aww im tired of hopping |
| 11:00.54 | slxix | debian is good for the soul. |
| 11:01.11 | psilocyb1n | btw, how to "repair" an install of a package? |
| 11:01.42 | family | thats a good one apt-get repair package |
| 11:01.47 | family | thats just off the wall |
| 11:01.49 | psilocyb1n | ty |
| 11:01.51 | family | no no |
| 11:01.58 | family | i dont think thats right |
| 11:02.04 | family | i just typed it |
| 11:02.13 | family | maybe it will work? |
| 11:02.31 | slxix | now you have to code it. |
| 11:02.54 | psilocyb1n | aptitude |
| 11:02.57 | psilocyb1n | and L |
| 11:02.59 | psilocyb1n | _ is purge |
| 11:03.17 | psilocyb1n | doh am stupid :D |
| 11:03.33 | psilocyb1n | removed /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/x11-common |
| 11:03.43 | psilocyb1n | and didn't install them even if i reinstalled those |
| 11:03.44 | psilocyb1n | lol |
| 11:03.48 | trentster | Hi all, I am in the process of putting together a new pc, probabaly going to be an intel core 2 quad, I plan on running a debian and would like some guidance in choosing the correct motherboard that will be supported, can anyone offer some insight and direction? |
| 11:03.49 | family | maybe apt-get check? |
| 11:03.58 | family | no thats not right |
| 11:04.04 | family | thats for broken packages |
| 11:04.29 | pete_ | trentster: i haven't seen even single motherboard what isn't supported |
| 11:04.42 | family | any mother board its the wireless card and video cards |
| 11:04.54 | family | the externals to worry about |
| 11:05.16 | family | atheros is good chip for wireless and nvidia is pretty good for video |
| 11:05.38 | trentster | pete_: I am looking for something that is well supported and does not take a lot of tinkering to get working, eg rock solid chipsets eg intel pro 1000 not marvell yukon... |
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| 11:05.46 | family | i havent seen a ethernet card not supported by debian |
| 11:06.15 | pete_ | family: i had one in PowerEdge R300. Needed to compile driver from source |
| 11:06.29 | family | aww |
| 11:06.50 | family | well atheros and nvidia good chipsets |
| 11:06.57 | pete_ | but i guess that if i had have information about EtchAndHalf story would be different :) |
| 11:07.08 | family | pretty much supported well nvidia just apt-get install drivers |
| 11:07.19 | family | Lenny |
| 11:07.25 | family | :) |
| 11:07.39 | psilocyb1n | is there automatic command to purge all broken packages? |
| 11:07.48 | pete_ | yea. I tried kernel from Lenny also, but with out no luck |
| 11:07.51 | wols | trentster: intel e1000 are not "rock solid" |
| 11:07.51 | family | how many do you have |
| 11:07.52 | pozic | trentster: what's wrong with marvell yukon? |
| 11:07.56 | family | psilocybln |
| 11:08.02 | family | apt-get autoremove |
| 11:08.04 | psilocyb1n | ah, found it |
| 11:08.06 | psilocyb1n | :) |
| 11:08.09 | psilocyb1n | ty |
| 11:08.10 | family | then do a apt-get clean |
| 11:08.13 | wols | pozic: it only works half the time if you are lucky |
| 11:08.22 | family | free up a buntch of room |
| 11:08.30 | family | bunch |
| 11:08.42 | pozic | wols: are we talking about really getting 1Gb/s? |
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| 11:08.50 | trentster | pozic: imho they are crap |
| 11:08.55 | wols | no we are talking about "ethernet doesn't work" |
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| 11:08.59 | pozic | wols: otherwise it has never failed for me. |
| 11:09.05 | slxix | i have never heard of marvell yukon until now. |
| 11:09.12 | family | oh slxix |
| 11:09.18 | family | marvell sucks |
| 11:09.36 | family | i had a chipset in a trendnet wireless card |
| 11:10.00 | family | and i fixed er real good with a sludge hammer and a new atheros card |
| 11:10.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | family, the wireless hardware in the XO works well (pity about the blob) |
| 11:10.13 | trentster | wols: why do you not consider e1000 not rock solid, and what would you say is? |
| 11:10.29 | slxix | ne2k works well. :) |
| 11:10.42 | family | kamping, ha ;) |
| 11:10.48 | wols | trentster: a1000 is not always the same chip and recently some mad problems, that's why |
| 11:10.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | family, and for badly supported cards, think broadcom :) |
| 11:10.57 | wols | realtek too actually |
| 11:11.12 | wols | *e1000, *had |
| 11:11.14 | family | tell me about it fcutter |
| 11:11.21 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: tg3 and bnx2 driven cards are ok |
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| 11:11.27 | psilocyb1n | doh |
| 11:11.38 | family | psilocb1n |
| 11:11.41 | family | what happen now |
| 11:11.41 | pete_ | yea. tg3 cards works like well it's just works |
| 11:11.45 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: ... at least the ones that come on HP server motherboards |
| 11:11.51 | slxix | Kamping_Kaiser: linux has made a lot of progress with broadcom. |
| 11:11.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly, i have some horrible gige broadcom that "doesnt work", no idea about the old kit :) |
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| 11:12.19 | family | atheros is my best friend |
| 11:12.37 | trentster | my experience is if its an intel nic, your pretty safe and everything just works without many hiccups |
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| 11:12.47 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: is it on a motherboard? |
| 11:12.51 | family | psiloyb1n, what happen? |
| 11:12.52 | wols | trentster: not with e1000e |
| 11:13.28 | slxix | although, a 'lot of progress' is probably pretty small compared to most anything else. |
| 11:14.13 | family | slxix the best thing for broadcom is fwcutter, Second best would be my sludge hammer. |
| 11:14.15 | pozic | wols: I was talking about the sk driver(IIRC), not some wireless device. |
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| 11:16.31 | liable | trust there to be k3b package borkage when i need to burn a bootable iso. i waste too many cd's using wodim |
| 11:17.11 | family | wodim? |
| 11:17.18 | pete_ | i didn't understunt even one workd of that sentence :O |
| 11:17.38 | liable | strangely, it worked.. |
| 11:17.55 | drac | family: wodim is part of cdrkt.. |
| 11:17.59 | drac | family: *cdrkit |
| 11:18.54 | family | aww, i still have no idea :) ill just stay away from anything looking close to the word wodim. |
| 11:19.59 | batcoder-7 | hey whats the best tools for managign per se 20 servers ? |
| 11:20.08 | batcoder-7 | is there anythign out there that can help me out there? |
| 11:20.45 | slxix | managing how? |
| 11:20.48 | family | god i need to go back to college, I cant even spell the words i understand. This is bad, I have to use small words that way i can spell them right and not look like im stupid. Yet when i use 4 to 3 letter words i look stupid. What a damn catch 22 |
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| 11:21.19 | pete_ | batcoder-7: ssh-keys and cluster-ssh |
| 11:21.20 | family | hey all im with stupid <----------- |
| 11:21.30 | batcoder-7 | tell me my options for what i can mamage hopefully the server starting stopping rebotting etc |
| 11:21.44 | family | wow |
| 11:22.24 | family | rebotting? |
| 11:22.28 | slxix | check out SNMP |
| 11:22.29 | family | mamage |
| 11:23.10 | pete_ | slxix: Can you manage something with SNMP? I have only read data, but can you pass data to server? If so what ? |
| 11:23.13 | jelly | thank you family for pointing out the PEOPLE ON IRC MAKE TYPOS |
| 11:23.26 | jelly | s/the/that/ :-) |
| 11:23.28 | pete_ | jelly: exactly |
| 11:23.31 | batcoder-7 | manage like start stopping possibly a recovery console or instantly reformatitng the server with an image |
| 11:23.43 | family | slxix im going to get off i already helped on guy hack his server so he could place his banners on |
| 11:23.49 | pete_ | batcoder-7: gPXE and SAN for that |
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| 11:24.01 | Platyna | Hi. |
| 11:24.05 | Platyna | I am unable to load ip_queue module. |
| 11:24.05 | batcoder-7 | just curiosu si theres a signle UI that can provide me that |
| 11:24.06 | pete_ | hola |
| 11:24.09 | Platyna | It says: "failed to register queue handler". |
| 11:24.10 | batcoder-7 | is* |
| 11:24.11 | Platyna | Here is the whole output, can anyone help? |
| 11:24.15 | Platyna | http://phpfi.com/323043 |
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| 11:25.36 | family | jelly no problem would you like me to point out more. Maybe some people should take time to type, we are not going anywhere are we? Well I am to sleep and to reformat this computer, Besides that just slow down to type. I dont type really fast and if i miss type somethig i go back and fix it in example <------- |
| 11:25.41 | batcoder-7 | are there any oepn source BIOS out there ? |
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| 11:25.45 | batcoder-7 | just wondering |
| 11:25.45 | family | *something |
| 11:25.54 | jelly | batcoder-7: like, dunno, HP SMH? |
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| 11:26.02 | batcoder-7 | i dunno |
| 11:26.17 | jelly | batcoder-7: google "hp system management homepage" |
| 11:26.23 | scriptdevil | is it possible to boot to the netinstall disk without a cdrom? I cpied the contents of the archive to the a directory called /Debian. But I am unable to locate a kernel on that iso |
| 11:26.43 | family | no |
| 11:26.54 | family | scriptdevil, they have a netinstall for a usb |
| 11:27.33 | jelly | scriptdevil: which OS is currently installed? |
| 11:27.35 | family | i am using eeepc, Debian was so kind to make debian eeepc netinstall usb. |
| 11:27.38 | scriptdevil | family: i am in a mess because my usb stick does not boot. I do have a spare disk, but I am keeping it as a spare |
| 11:27.42 | wols | batcoder-7: there are. how is this debian related? |
| 11:27.52 | scriptdevil | jelly: Well, gentoo, fedora and Windows XP |
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| 11:27.53 | slxix | pete_: http://www.net-snmp.org/wiki/index.php/TUT:snmpset |
| 11:28.12 | wols | !tell scriptdevil about debootstrap |
| 11:28.16 | jelly | scriptdevil: you can debootstrap from linux, or use goodbye-windows.com win installer |
| 11:28.32 | family | scriptdevil all you have to do is get the net install. then dd if=place to image of=/dev/usb |
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| 11:28.54 | family | well sorry /dev/sdb not sdb1 |
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| 11:28.58 | galland | How do I go about installing libraries and binaries in my home directory as an unpriviliged user? How do I configure the software at compile time to search my home dir for dependencies rather than the root dir? |
| 11:29.01 | jelly | family: no. |
| 11:29.03 | batcoder-7 | wols: i was just trying to figure out things there are to manage debian servers |
| 11:29.08 | trifler | Hmm anyone know what the macos inspired menubar for openbox is called? |
| 11:29.12 | batcoder-7 | i ogtl ikr 20 i need to manage |
| 11:29.12 | family | jelly why? |
| 11:29.18 | batcoder-7 | damn typos * |
| 11:29.19 | jelly | family: read the release notes. |
| 11:29.44 | scriptdevil | family: USBs dont always boot. My stick boots on my friend's pc but not mine. I will try debootstrap |
| 11:29.56 | family | did i get it backwards or something? That should be right. I did it with my asus. |
| 11:30.23 | scriptdevil | trifler: awn? |
| 11:30.23 | family | aww yes you do need in your bios boot from usb |
| 11:30.26 | slxix | pete_: you could, theoretically, use snmp to do anything ssh can do. :) |
| 11:30.33 | family | scriptdevil how about this |
| 11:30.49 | family | edit your grub menu.lst and boot from iso |
| 11:30.53 | scriptdevil | family: i set all that.. |
| 11:31.05 | scriptdevil | And err.. in fact my dad's stick does boot |
| 11:31.08 | scriptdevil | mine does not |
| 11:31.09 | pete_ | slxix: yea thanks dude. Just some other dude paste link that he has made script so i can use SNMP for Xen. Going todo some investigation now. Thanks man |
| 11:31.19 | trifler | scriptdevil: Could be. I guess there's more then one :) |
| 11:31.20 | family | scriptdevil try what i said above |
| 11:31.27 | slxix | pete_: let me know how it turns out. |
| 11:31.41 | pete_ | slxix: yea |
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| 11:32.02 | scriptdevil | thanks |
| 11:32.03 | family | edit the grub menu list make a new partition and place the iso there then boot it from grub. |
| 11:32.30 | jelly | wonders whether family is sleep deprived, high, or a troll |
| 11:32.32 | family | i have all sorts of ways hence i do not have a cdrom, just usb's and flash cards |
| 11:32.57 | jelly | family: iso images cannot be booted from a partition |
| 11:33.01 | slxix | jelly: i wouldn't make those options mutually exclusive. :) |
| 11:33.06 | family | lets make a bet |
| 11:33.16 | family | jelly you can boot a iso from grub |
| 11:33.46 | family | you place the initrd.img and the vmlinuz into the boot grub |
| 11:34.07 | family | then you tell the grub menu.list where the images are then you give the path to the iso |
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| 11:34.14 | family | case closed |
| 11:35.16 | jelly | except for the handwavy "give the path to the iso" bit |
| 11:35.43 | family | yes |
| 11:35.51 | benedikt | isnt gssftp avalible for debian? |
| 11:35.56 | psilocyb1n | hm |
| 11:35.59 | psilocyb1n | needless install |
| 11:36.02 | psilocyb1n | reinstall i mean |
| 11:36.05 | psilocyb1n | still not working |
| 11:36.07 | psilocyb1n | x( |
| 11:36.21 | psilocyb1n | should i boot with knoppix and see? |
| 11:36.23 | family | jelly tell me im wrong ? i have done this a billion times it sucks but it works. |
| 11:36.45 | jelly | family: while the debian installer actually can find an .iso image on a formatted partition, but you can't boot an arbitrary bootable iso. |
| 11:37.18 | jelly | family: sarge installer didn't have this feature, it's rather new |
| 11:37.55 | family | is he trying to install sarge? what is he trying to install?haha yea im tired |
| 11:38.06 | slxix | psilocyb1n: do you still get "warning: locale not supported by xlib" ? |
| 11:38.08 | mark_s | hi all, is it possible to connect to a server trough ssl only with a "key file" on a usb stick. All I find is to connect without a passwort to a server if you put the key of the client on the server. I am going on a trip and do not know from which client I will be able to connect to the server. But I also don't want to leave password login open. |
| 11:38.12 | family | yes if he is trying to do this with sarge hes screwed. |
| 11:38.37 | jelly | family: so yeah, it's feasible. but he left already |
| 11:39.07 | psilocyb1n | hm |
| 11:39.23 | psilocyb1n | errors from xkbcomp are not fatal ... or something |
| 11:39.27 | psilocyb1n | and tons of |
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| 11:39.38 | psilocyb1n | expected keysym, got blaa blaa blaa |
| 11:39.41 | family | yep. Well i am pretty tired, Take care jelly debate with you tomorrow but you wont catch me debating on something i dont know. :P Take care guys. |
| 11:39.48 | psilocyb1n | when i startx and then c a backspace |
| 11:39.58 | benedikt | jelly: then sleep |
| 11:40.12 | family | well ill take that back. I lost one earlier with wols on the xfree86 thing. |
| 11:40.21 | jelly | benedikt: ? |
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| 11:46.21 | boulbul | Hi, my var folder is full... and i am not able to do an upgrade... would it be fine if I deleted all the files in it? |
| 11:46.33 | petemc | only if you want a broken system |
| 11:46.38 | Bushmills | lol |
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| 11:46.51 | Bushmills | boulbul: deleting / gives you even more space |
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| 11:47.00 | b_jonas | no, don't delete everything |
| 11:47.06 | b_jonas | that will certainly break something |
| 11:47.14 | petemc | boulbul: there are files you can safely delete, just not all |
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| 11:47.26 | jamesstanley | You can delete some things in /var/tmp |
| 11:47.33 | jamesstanley | Make sure not to delete lockfiles, etc. though |
| 11:47.35 | ArthurArchnix1 | apt-get clean could help? |
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| 11:49.56 | Bushmills | moving and mount -bind-ing to a second drive would speed up + give a a lot of space |
| 11:50.00 | Wesley | I'm trying to install using the netinst cd; i get the following error in syslog when installing grub: The file /boot/grub/stage2 was not read correctly. error Running 'grub-install --recheck --no-floppy ("hd0") failed. |
| 11:50.02 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 11:50.05 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.12 | Wesley | any suggestions? |
| 11:52.07 | b_jonas | boulbul: are you the same person as Pulpie or is there some debian problem that fills up everyone's /var today? |
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| 11:52.18 | b_jonas | checks his /var |
| 11:53.00 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.10 | Bushmills | probably ill-advised partitioning. underestimated the space required in /var |
| 11:53.17 | jamesstanley | batcoder-7, what sort of server? |
| 11:53.38 | themill | b_jonas: Yes, everyone is downloading the new linux-image-2.6.18-6- package that was released today. And that's a sizable download. |
| 11:53.41 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi i have a proble compiling a software due to its deps.. here is a log http://pastebin.com/m2358f345 |
| 11:53.51 | b_jonas | themill: I see |
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| 11:54.05 | themill | andrew[andrboot]: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:54.21 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: i heard that ssh and vim are quite popular for that purpose |
| 11:54.23 | b_jonas | on a previous system, I once accidentally deleted /usr/portage when I meant to delete /var/portage |
| 11:54.53 | andrew[andrboot] | @ themill done that.. package is installed but still not working / |
| 11:54.53 | ravenbird | okay, andrew[andrboot] |
| 11:55.02 | andrew[andrboot] | well rather a package close to it |
| 11:55.10 | wols | andrew[andrboot]: you need the dev package |
| 11:55.18 | themill | ravenbird: forget themill done that.. package |
| 11:55.19 | ravenbird | themill: i forgot themill done that.. package |
| 11:55.28 | andrew[andrboot] | wols yea... dunno what it is |
| 11:55.33 | andrew[andrboot] | can't seem to find it |
| 11:55.39 | wols | then you aren't looking |
| 11:56.03 | andrew[andrboot] | did an apt-cache search didn't find it also googled' around.. i a m running debian lenny |
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| 11:56.34 | wols | andrew[andrboot]: libglib |grep dev |
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| 11:56.41 | slimjimflim | anybody know where i can get the dev-tools package for qt4.4 |
| 11:57.10 | wols | slimjimflim: what debian branch? |
| 11:57.29 | slimjimflim | ubuntu....is that a branch? |
| 11:57.34 | slimjimflim | gutsy |
| 11:57.37 | wols | slimjimflim: it's not debian. go to #ubuntu |
| 11:57.44 | slimjimflim | ok |
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| 12:01.27 | boulbul | b_jonas: I did a distro upgrade... and that made if full.... how do I know which once to delete? |
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| 12:02.05 | wols | boulbul: apt-cache clean |
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| 12:02.44 | wols | oops. apt-get clean rather |
| 12:02.49 | Bushmills | boulbul: how much space is left on your / partition? (can see that with df -h) |
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| 12:03.56 | ArthurArchnix1 | I'm looking at why I can't suspend as a regular user, and I came across this section in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf this is a fairly default lenny install... but it explicity says if you don't have policy kit, which I don't, then you need to change this. Here's the part in question: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf |
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| 12:04.09 | ArthurArchnix1 | Oops... here it is http://pastebin.com/m5f1f3447 |
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| 12:04.57 | slxix | oooh, and update to xjump. |
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| 12:06.38 | arccsine | anyone some cool channels in freenode?? |
| 12:06.39 | ArthurArchnix1 | Immediatel below that is debian specific policies, which are the opposite of those. Ie. they are allow version of those deny commands for members of the correct groups, and I am members of those groups (powerdev and plugdev)... so... I think I just answered my own question |
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| 12:08.09 | jamesstanley | arccsine, #debian, ##c, #maximilian |
| 12:08.21 | jamesstanley | #maximilian is empty at the moment |
| 12:08.33 | Bushmills | arccsine: /j #arccsine. now make it cool |
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| 12:09.14 | Bushmills | good idea is to visit all well attended channels, and invite all people |
| 12:09.30 | Bushmills | ducks |
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| 12:10.07 | slxix | Bushmills: you must've been an oper. :) |
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| 12:11.08 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:11.09 | Bushmills | naa. just a bit sarcastic today |
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| 12:11.38 | slxix | i remember when you could join &channels and invite people. |
| 12:11.59 | DexterF | I need a mail server and a web interface to manage accounts for... perhaps 50 people or such. can someone recommend something? |
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| 12:12.13 | jamesstanley | Exim4 is a good mail server |
| 12:12.33 | jamesstanley | And it comes with Debian IIRC. |
| 12:12.37 | Bushmills | DexterF: mailserver probably boild down to exim or postfix |
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| 12:12.42 | Bushmills | boils |
| 12:12.49 | jamesstanley | You may have to write your own interface. I recommend PHP and Apache2 |
| 12:12.54 | slxix | i think there's a java ssh you could use for your web interface to mutt. :) |
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| 12:13.19 | Bushmills | but mail server user admin sounds useless. |
| 12:13.27 | boulbul | Bushmills: 259M 229M 17M 94% / |
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| 12:13.50 | lunk | DexterF: any respectable hosting company will provide that for you |
| 12:13.58 | Bushmills | in postfix, recipients are either account holders, or otherwise 1 line per config file per recipient |
| 12:14.06 | DexterF | Bushmills, jamesstanley: ok, but I need it to be conf'able vi aweb interface, system is supposed to be admin'ed by a newbie |
| 12:14.10 | lunk | DexterF: squirrelmail has been around forever |
| 12:14.16 | slxix | lunk: and most non-respectable. |
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| 12:14.31 | wols | DexterF: cxan't be done. mailserver never belong into newbie hands. mail is COMPLICATED |
| 12:14.36 | Bushmills | boulbul: hmm that's not a huge amount ... was it more i had suggested to merge you var with / |
| 12:14.40 | lunk | i haven't done that type of stuff since it was, haha |
| 12:14.52 | jamesstanley | DexterF, I agree with wols |
| 12:14.58 | boulbul | wols: apt-cache clean gave me an error message:E: Invalid operation clean |
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| 12:15.13 | wols | boulbul: I corrected myself. look up |
| 12:15.32 | jamesstanley | Also, DexterF, if the server is configured incorrectly it becomes an open relay and that means more spam for all of us |
| 12:15.38 | wols | lunk: please learn the difference between MUA and a MTA adminstration |
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| 12:15.56 | boulbul | bushmills: how do I do that if I already have evey thing partitioned? |
| 12:16.05 | lunk | wols: no, because i don't do that anymore |
| 12:16.19 | wols | lunk: then maybe you should be quiet? |
| 12:16.26 | lunk | was just trying to be a little friendly since no one was talking to the guy |
| 12:16.39 | jamesstanley | I was talking to him |
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| 12:16.44 | jamesstanley | But I'm new here |
| 12:17.03 | wols | and giving people knowingly wrong information is worse than not talking to them |
| 12:17.16 | jamesstanley | Actually wols, I also thought he wanted a webmail interface |
| 12:17.28 | Bushmills | boulbul: you'd cp -a all files to a temporary directory, unmount and rename the original, and rename the temporary in its place. then change /etc/fstab to not mount the original partition anymore. but don't do that with your /var, there is not enough space on your / |
| 12:17.51 | lunk | wols: your horse isn't high enough, good day |
| 12:17.54 | Bushmills | (and you wouldn't want to do that in a running system) |
| 12:18.06 | WormFood | great! I found another sid user with a broken scim....so it isn't just me |
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| 12:18.14 | WormFood | how could you let this happen? |
| 12:18.24 | WormFood | its all your fault Bushmills :P |
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| 12:18.46 | Bushmills | sure blame me |
| 12:18.53 | wols | boulbul: did you clean out your apt archive? |
| 12:19.02 | boulbul | Bushmills: I will leave as it is for now... but thank you for the advice |
| 12:19.03 | WormFood | why not? you're here ;) |
| 12:19.12 | boulbul | wols: yes... many thanks that worked |
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| 12:19.22 | wols | boulbul: how much more space is free now? |
| 12:19.38 | boulbul | 2.2gb |
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| 12:19.48 | wols | space enough I guess |
| 12:19.49 | boulbul | I do not know what I would do without your help |
| 12:19.50 | Bushmills | i'm probably also the cause of global warming |
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| 12:19.57 | Bushmills | farts haertily |
| 12:20.00 | Bushmills | heartily |
| 12:20.02 | boulbul | wols: thanks |
| 12:20.08 | boulbul | bushmills: thanks |
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| 12:20.26 | Bushmills | yw |
| 12:21.06 | slxix | ponders when Bushmills will stop lowering the value of the dollar. |
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| 12:21.39 | Bushmills | what's wrong with low dollar? |
| 12:21.44 | jelly | it can't go lower than 0 |
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| 12:21.47 | DexterF | wols, jamesstanley: ok: not my words: friend asks what's so complicated about hardening un*x against open relay, claims it's easy in windows server. again, not my words, I know next to jack about MTAs and am curious. |
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| 12:21.58 | slxix | Bushmills: most of my money is in dollars. |
| 12:22.12 | jamesstanley | DexterF, If he thinks Windows is so great, tell him to use Windows |
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| 12:22.14 | Bushmills | slxix: so you import less. buy more homegrown |
| 12:22.16 | wols | open relays are actually easy to close mostly |
| 12:22.18 | WormFood | DexterF, clearly your friend is a fucktard! |
| 12:22.22 | stew | DexterF: its not hard in unix. any sane distribution (such as debian) will make it so that you have to go out of your way to make an open relay |
| 12:22.45 | Bushmills | slxix: helps to do away with the continuous trade balance complaints |
| 12:22.49 | slxix | Bushmills: I'm living overseas with a US paycheck. :( |
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| 12:22.52 | WormFood | I have found that many people make an open relay, and just don't understand how it works |
| 12:23.09 | fireba11 | slxix: poor you |
| 12:23.12 | Bushmills | slxix: ouch. yes. that's bad |
| 12:23.15 | WormFood | slxix, me too....the low dollar sucks for me too |
| 12:23.27 | WormFood | I expect the dollar will go up once bush is out of office |
| 12:23.36 | WormFood | I mean....if bush gets out of office |
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| 12:23.49 | DexterF | jamesstanley, WormFood: those are exactly the kind of answers that set us back to "we are so nerdy and dont want anyone to use linux, go away and play with windows". I'm gonna tell him that and that debian is no alternative for that root server. |
| 12:24.00 | DexterF | thanks for the input |
| 12:24.02 | WormFood | expects bush to declare himself dicktater, and try to stay in office |
| 12:24.20 | stew | WormFood: stop |
| 12:24.21 | WormFood | DexterF, read the 2nd thing I said |
| 12:24.29 | gkiagia | hi guys, I am just curious, why when I try to run iceweasel (3.0 beta) from the command line for the first time (after boot) I see wine messages on the terminal?? Is iceweasel using wine? |
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| 12:25.00 | WormFood | gkiagia, on debian? |
| 12:25.13 | gkiagia | WormFood: of course |
| 12:25.25 | slxix | isn't iceweasel unique to debian? |
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| 12:25.35 | gkiagia | I wouldn't ask here if it wasn't running debian :) |
| 12:25.48 | gkiagia | s/it/I |
| 12:25.50 | WormFood | I'm not sure slxix, but I think you're right |
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| 12:25.56 | WormFood | gkiagia, many people ask here that aren't running debian |
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| 12:26.12 | ArthurArchnix1 | can I reload hal without restarting? I've just updated my keyboard fdi file |
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| 12:26.33 | WormFood | you must have gotten infected with a windows virus, and wine is running the virus *evil grin* |
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| 12:26.56 | b_jonas | what if it's a plugin? |
| 12:26.59 | gkiagia | WormFood: lol. you can't be serious... |
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| 12:27.05 | b_jonas | wine messages sounds strange indeed |
| 12:27.06 | ArthurArchnix1 | something like /etc/init.d/hal-dbus force-reload or will that cause xfce to crash? Assuming it does anything :P |
| 12:27.10 | slxix | gkiagia: what is the output that it gives you? |
| 12:27.16 | b_jonas | do you even have wine installed? |
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| 12:27.32 | WormFood | gkiagia, of course I'm not serious |
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| 12:28.13 | gkiagia | slxix: http://rafb.net/p/1SEqC850.html |
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| 12:28.34 | gkiagia | note that it only happens the first time I run iceweasel after login |
| 12:28.54 | gkiagia | If i reopen iceweasel after I close it, there are no messages |
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| 12:29.05 | gkiagia | wierd stuff... |
| 12:29.31 | DexterF | WormFood: jamesstanley : if is so utterly fucking wrong how come nobody makes an effort to share his knowledge? |
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| 12:30.09 | stew | DexterF: what exactly is the question? |
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| 12:30.23 | gkiagia | also note that iceweasel is not actually running as it complains about xml parsing errors (I guess that's a beta bug... I'll check bugs.debian.org now) |
| 12:30.27 | Bushmills | noone share knowledge? many wikis for example where people do exactly that. |
| 12:30.29 | WormFood | actually DexterF, I do share my knowledge when I can |
| 12:30.34 | DexterF | stew: well, *you* actually anserwed it |
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| 12:30.50 | DexterF | [14:23] <WormFood> DexterF, clearly your friend is a fucktard! <- yeah, I saw that |
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| 12:31.03 | WormFood | did you see what I said after that? |
| 12:31.04 | stew | DexterF: then why are we continuing? |
| 12:31.13 | Bushmills | and there's a lot of doc, and howtos |
| 12:31.14 | stew | can we just drop this? or are there more questions? |
| 12:31.39 | Bushmills | it isn't exactly like knowledge is transferred mouth to mouth only |
| 12:32.00 | slxix | gkiagia: well, what did you change that could have caused this? :) |
| 12:32.40 | slxix | i assume iceweasel didn't do that before? |
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| 12:32.52 | stew | gkiagia: i doubt it is iceweasel itself, but more likely a plugin or extension |
| 12:33.30 | DexterF | stew: thing is right now we got a root server with suse9 and plesk, want to upgrade, debian was in the question but the hoster doesn't offer plesk for debian, only suse, so that would mean to conquer a few territories like set up all the email without the fancy click-and-point web interfaces. I was basically checking if it was possible but after that "fucktard" approach from worm we agreed to opensuse. um. I'm ranting now. |
| 12:33.44 | gkiagia | slxix: I just upgraded to the latest iceweasel 3 beta from experimental (just for testing, I am actually a konqueror user) |
| 12:34.13 | gkiagia | I'll check the plugins... |
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| 12:34.35 | slxix | a websearch says that flashgot may cause wine to run |
| 12:34.36 | gkiagia | (when I manage to run it...) |
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| 12:34.50 | gkiagia | ah, yes I have flashgot |
| 12:35.27 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... after that experience I would recommend not restarting dbus |
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| 12:36.34 | WormFood | DexterF, if you can't take a joke, maybe you shouldn't e on irc |
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| 12:36.49 | stew | WormFood: take a 10 minute break |
| 12:36.49 | EvilDin__ | hi, is it possible to get anywhere libc6-powerpc-dvc1 ? |
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| 12:38.01 | DexterF | WormFood: I've been on freenode since... 2001 or such and ran slackware for years, basically because I didn't wanna try debian because of so called "jokes" in here, not because of debian. your "jokes" suck wet farts from dead pidgeons. |
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| 12:38.41 | stew | DexterF: drop it |
| 12:38.48 | DexterF | stew: uh huh |
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| 12:39.28 | poncha | test |
| 12:39.35 | asg | poncha: sorry, you are not online |
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| 12:39.46 | poncha | hcan someone ping me please? |
| 12:39.51 | poncha | **can |
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| 12:40.07 | slxix | why don't you just ping someone? |
| 12:40.24 | slxix | you can ping yourself. :) |
| 12:40.31 | poncha | asg: err how come ? :) |
| 12:41.30 | poncha | hm |
| 12:41.43 | poncha | sent /ctcp poncha ping -- and i dont see anything anywhere :P |
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| 12:42.17 | poncha | slxix: trying to ping you... :) |
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| 12:42.50 | masus | does anyone expirence with unixODBC with debian etch. |
| 12:42.50 | masus | [ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLConnect :( |
| 12:43.04 | poncha | slxix: no response so far :/ |
| 12:43.09 | slxix | that's because you need to include a time with your ping. (your irc client will do it for you, normally with /ping nick) |
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| 12:43.52 | poncha | slxix: i did right-click your name and chose ctcp ping :) (client is kvirc) |
| 12:44.07 | poncha | this is very weird |
| 12:44.10 | jelly | --- Ping reply from poncha : 1.72 second(s) |
| 12:44.42 | slxix | poncha: you should consider #freenode for irc help. |
| 12:44.52 | poncha | i have been thrown out of server several dozen of times and now that i'm finally online - i am banned from half channels i am usually on = probably for mass-rejoin attempts |
| 12:45.06 | poncha | :/ |
| 12:45.13 | poncha | but well, at least i am here :) |
| 12:45.29 | poncha | my question actually belongs here i believe :) |
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| 12:46.38 | poncha | i want to connect to a remote via X, both my machine and the remote are behind firewalls (over internet). what are my options? xdmcp or better just connecting there ssh and opening programs to my screen ? |
| 12:46.58 | poncha | and what do i need on firewalls on both ends ? |
| 12:47.08 | asg | poncha: the latter. /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 12:48.06 | poncha | forward x packets ? |
| 12:48.22 | slxix | poncha: do you have control over the firewalls? |
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| 12:49.27 | WormFood | DexterF, sorry you did not like my response. It just seems to me that your friend does not have a clue what is going on. I have seen people point and click their way to an open relay just due to their ignorance. It is all about knowing the tools you are working with, and how to use them. |
| 12:49.53 | slxix | actually, do either of the machines have an internet accessable IP address? |
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| 12:50.49 | poncha | slxix: more or less... on client side - full control (thats my home), on the remote - that is office, one ip for all building , but i can make a tunnel over ssh or ask company net admin to set up some rule (although the latter is less probable) |
| 12:51.00 | WormFood | poncha, you have several options...you may want to try a vpn |
| 12:51.55 | poncha | WormFood: ok, i see... vpn is doable yes. i know remote has fw-1 , with vpn support :) |
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| 12:53.23 | poncha | but in case i really want/need to open ports on the firewalls... which ones do i need ? |
| 12:53.41 | asg | poncha: for ssh, only port 22 |
| 12:53.54 | poncha | i like xdmcp although it would require very fast uplink on both sides right ? |
| 12:54.08 | wols | how can one do a VPN if you only have used priviledges on one of the endpoints? |
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| 12:54.27 | ArthurArchnix | how to you get the scancode for keys? |
| 12:55.00 | asg | ArthurArchnix: xev |
| 12:55.34 | WormFood | wols, I do a vpn through a firewall, with only 1 port being open |
| 12:55.35 | Bushmills | poncha: no, server to client doens't need to be fast |
| 12:55.39 | ArthurArchnix | xev only tells me the keycode for fn+f6 is 146, but the hal fdi requires the hex |
| 12:55.46 | WormFood | of course, I'm root at both ends |
| 12:56.09 | WormFood | will be back in a few minutes (going to store) |
| 12:56.14 | wols | WormFood: doesn't answer my question |
| 12:56.23 | poncha | Bushmills: and client->server does ? |
| 12:56.30 | Bushmills | poncha: but low latency helps |
| 12:56.40 | justin | ArthurArchnix: so... does it work if you just convert 146 to hexadecimal? |
| 12:56.46 | poncha | aha |
| 12:56.51 | Bushmills | yes, for client -> you want to be as fast. |
| 12:57.13 | poncha | the "client" here is xdmcp client, the machine opening connection right ? |
| 12:57.44 | Bushmills | poncha: server is where you set behind. client is where the remote programs run |
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| 12:57.47 | Bushmills | sit |
| 12:58.02 | poncha | oh ok |
| 12:58.08 | Juventino | hello |
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| 12:58.57 | brubelsabs | how do I update a single self compiled package? e.g. an "rpm -U my.rpm" pendant |
| 12:59.06 | sohmestra | does openoffice.org-base work with any of the free jvms? |
| 12:59.17 | asg | brubelsabs: dpkg -i my.deb |
| 12:59.25 | Juventino | guys how can i backport xserver-xorg-video-intel into etch? |
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| 12:59.52 | sohmestra | Juventino: backports.org |
| 13:00.02 | brubelsabs | asg: but the package is already installed, doesn't this matter? |
| 13:00.03 | Juventino | sohmestra it's not there |
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| 13:00.23 | asg | brubelsabs: if you install a newer version, that's called an update and dpkg recognizes the fact and acts accordingly |
| 13:00.33 | ArthurArchnix | justin: Doesn't seem to translate well. default .fdi files look like this: <append key="input.keymap.data" type="strlist">e00a:screenlock</append> <!-- FnF6 (lock) --> which doesn't work on my system. xev says that the fn+f6 key is 146, but if I hex that it returns 0x92 |
| 13:00.50 | ArthurArchnix | they've got them as e00a |
| 13:00.58 | brubelsabs | but the version number is almost the same... (just different configure flags) |
| 13:01.03 | ArthurArchnix | e could mean event |
| 13:01.06 | poncha | asg: btw... does x packets forwarding chain ? (i.e. if i get to the machine that i want to run the program on via 2/3 ssh links ?) |
| 13:01.15 | asg | brubelsabs: then you chould have changed the number since it isn't the same. |
| 13:01.26 | brubelsabs | asg: thats damn true :D |
| 13:01.44 | asg | poncha: Sorry, I can't understand what you are saying |
| 13:01.57 | sep | poncha, i usualy forward ssh 2 a few times. and then run the last ssh with x forwarding directly but thru the tunnels |
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| 13:02.10 | wols | poncha: forwarding across several ssh tunnels works,yes |
| 13:02.19 | poncha | thanks |
| 13:02.20 | wols | only one of the will do X portforwarding |
| 13:02.27 | wols | and the latency will be atrocious |
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| 13:02.43 | ac3 | Hi |
| 13:03.11 | Juventino | wols any idea how to backport the intel driver into etch? :\ |
| 13:03.14 | ac3 | How can i use a password that is stored in gnome-keyring in a script? |
| 13:03.33 | wols | Juventino: if you want it quick and dirty: doN't backport just compile |
| 13:03.35 | poncha | wols: even if all the machines (besides the one i originate from) are on same net ? |
| 13:03.47 | poncha | (locally there it's gigabit) |
| 13:03.52 | Juventino | wols well, where can i get the source code? |
| 13:03.57 | wols | poncha: then doing it over sevreal tunnels is futile and useless |
| 13:04.03 | wols | Juventino: intel |
| 13:04.23 | ac3 | When i run the script it asks for a password, while it needs to get this password from the gnome-keyring which is unlocked after gdm login |
| 13:04.26 | poncha | wols: no, the machine i am connecting to is not publicly accessible (not in dmz ) |
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| 13:04.49 | poncha | i am getting by ssh to a dmz machine and from there to the target |
| 13:04.57 | wols | poncha: then they aren't all in the same subnet, are they? |
| 13:05.32 | poncha | the one on dmz has two ethernet connections - one of them on a gigabit with my target machine |
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| 13:13.03 | gnat_x | i'm trying to figure out how to get a working lenny netinst iso. |
| 13:13.08 | gnat_x | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 13:13.27 | Agiofws | can soemoen tell me if Openworkbench exists for debian ? |
| 13:13.33 | gnat_x | that doesn't work "The requested URL /cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso was not found on this server." |
| 13:13.47 | stew | gnat_x: that is a very old image. try a weekly |
| 13:13.54 | gnat_x | i tried the daily build, but that didn't boot |
| 13:13.56 | stew | gnat_x: do you really have an Itanium? |
| 13:14.13 | stew | gnat_x: you are probably trying to use a ia64 image where you should be using an amd64 |
| 13:14.40 | gnat_x | Stew good point |
| 13:14.55 | asg | Agiofws: check packages.debian.org |
| 13:15.06 | gnat_x | the heat is melting my brain |
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| 13:15.34 | WormFood | does anyone else use scim on sid? |
| 13:15.54 | asg | Agiofws: from the site, it appears to be a windows only application |
| 13:16.06 | Agiofws | Openworkbench? |
| 13:16.45 | asg | Agiofws: open project scheduling for windows? |
| 13:17.19 | asg | Agiofws: however, it uses sun's jvm so it might work provided it isn't using any specific windows components. |
| 13:17.35 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue on how to get scim working again under sid? |
| 13:18.00 | asg | WormFood: working again? Why did it stop working? |
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| 13:18.15 | WormFood | asg, I did an apt-get update/upgrade, and it broke it |
| 13:18.20 | gnat_x | can i successfully burn a business card image onto a regular cd? |
| 13:18.24 | ghatak | Hi, how do i find refresh rates for my monitor |
| 13:18.29 | WormFood | asg, I'm not the only one, I talked to someone else with the same problem |
| 13:18.42 | asg | WormFood: check the bts, file a bug if one doesn't exist, and/or downgrade (/msg dpkg sdn ; /msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 13:18.56 | WormFood | asg, if I knew what caused it to break, I'd have a better chance of fixing it |
| 13:19.32 | WormFood | what is the url for the bts? |
| 13:19.42 | asg | running sid means you are supposed to know all this. /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:20.01 | WormFood | I'm lazy |
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| 13:21.18 | b_jonas | gnat_x: I think yes |
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| 13:25.09 | enouf | ofcourse, it's just a smaller ISO file ;-) |
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| 13:25.32 | gnat_x | b_jonas: thanks. i'll give it a shot |
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| 13:27.01 | ArthurArchnix | I'm digging too deep here. I just want to get my laptop function keys working. Some of them do, some don;t. |
| 13:27.25 | asg | ArthurArchnix: what kind of laptop? |
| 13:27.25 | ArthurArchnix | I'm looking at xev, and hal.fdi files using quirk keymaps... |
| 13:27.32 | ArthurArchnix | hp530 |
| 13:27.53 | asg | ArthurArchnix: /msg dpkg laptop (the links there may offer some insight into getting things working for your model) |
| 13:28.28 | asg | ArthurArchnix: there's also the 'hotkey-setup' package which may help also |
| 13:29.40 | ArthurArchnix | thanks asg... I'll look into those now |
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| 13:32.59 | tooba1 | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 13:34.20 | somedude | i tried installing debian but it doesn't install properly |
| 13:34.41 | somedude | the installer doesn't go into graphical mode |
| 13:34.47 | somedude | and it can't configure the network |
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| 13:36.07 | somedude | if i use a unstable netinstall the install process will work properly |
| 13:36.26 | sohmestra | when I attempt to access a mysql database using openoffice-base, I get the error: unexpected exception encountered during query |
| 13:36.40 | shred | ArthurArchnix: did you think about using xmodmap? |
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| 13:36.50 | sohmestra | I'm using the default JRE, and running lenny |
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| 13:37.02 | somedude | is there a reason why the install would not be able to go into graphical mode |
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| 13:37.43 | sohmestra | when I attempt to run base from the commandline, hoping to see some debugging info sent to stdout, it just forks, leaving me with nothing to go on. |
| 13:38.01 | ArthurArchnix | shred: I've been messing with xev, fdi, modmap.... it's just that there is an awful lot to learn just to get a few function keys working. At this point I just want to get them working, and I'll tackle the cleaner more elegant solution at a later date. |
| 13:38.10 | somedude | how can i install debian on rather new hardware |
| 13:38.19 | somedude | i switched my mobo to something newer and now the installer fails |
| 13:38.22 | sohmestra | how might I go about finding out what exactly the exception is that ooffice is referring to? |
| 13:38.24 | somedude | wgats up with that |
| 13:38.42 | asg | sohmestra: try #debian-oo |
| 13:38.50 | halflife08 | somedude: where does it fail ? |
| 13:38.53 | sohmestra | asg: thanks. |
| 13:39.09 | somedude | it can't set up the network and then just sends me to the menu of install tasks |
| 13:39.12 | somedude | but it won't carry on |
| 13:39.13 | asg | sohmestra: you may need to check on oftc.net though, that channel doesn't exist here anymore |
| 13:39.23 | somedude | like if you try to skip ahead or go back it just gives some error |
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| 13:39.33 | sohmestra | asg: ah, thanks again. I'll check there |
| 13:39.35 | somedude | i had this before when i used a stable install cd with the old kernel |
| 13:39.45 | somedude | then i got a install cd updated with the new kernel someone made and it worked |
| 13:39.53 | somedude | now i switched the mobo and it is back to the old way |
| 13:40.04 | somedude | i wonder do you think the unstable install cd might work? |
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| 13:40.15 | somedude | id rather run stable but if i need the newer software unstable is ok |
| 13:40.31 | themill | !kmuto |
| 13:40.32 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 13:40.44 | somedude | ya i have one of those |
| 13:41.01 | somedude | but now with the new mobo it gives me the same error the old kernel used to do |
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| 13:42.10 | b_jonas | somedude: if a newer kernel solves it, I don't recommend to switch to unstable debian just for that |
| 13:42.26 | somedude | i'm not sure if a newer kernel will fix it |
| 13:42.30 | somedude | whats the newest kernel |
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| 13:42.46 | shred | ArthurArchnix: have a look at that, i think it is pretty complete: http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html |
| 13:43.01 | b_jonas | somedude: oh, I thought you said something to that effect |
| 13:43.10 | somedude | etch-custom-0530.iso - kernel version 2.6.25 + Ubuntu firmware + WPA support |
| 13:43.12 | somedude | i have that one |
| 13:43.45 | somedude | it fixed the trouble on the old mobo but this new one now its doing the old thing where it won't go into graphical and then kind of falls apart on the network config |
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| 13:44.04 | mot | how hard is it to get a backport of a specific library? |
| 13:44.10 | mot | i have libncurses.so.5 pointing to version 5.7 |
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| 13:44.19 | mot | however i need v5.4 (i'm on lenny) to run a specific application |
| 13:44.23 | somedude | i'm on a ubuntu live cd right now so i know linux supports the hardware |
| 13:44.28 | mot | how would i go about getting the correct backport without screwing anything up? |
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| 13:44.52 | somedude | i'm getting tempted to just install this ubuntu but i'd rather have the original debian |
| 13:45.09 | themill | mot: does a symlink from 5.4 to 5.7 work for you? It's not guaranteed to do so, but it might... |
| 13:45.26 | mot | themill i don't know where to get 5.4 even |
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| 13:45.34 | mot | i'm not even sure if it's in backports |
| 13:45.42 | helo | what aptitude parameter will keep it from automatically installing all 'suggested' packages? |
| 13:45.44 | b_jonas | mot: are you sure it's the library you need |
| 13:45.47 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks shred... looking at it now. hot-keysetup did nothing. |
| 13:46.07 | themill | helo: aptitude doesn't install suggested packages |
| 13:46.10 | mot | searching the package repos just tells me that it's v5, doesn't give me an exact version number |
| 13:46.29 | helo | for some reason, aptitude install systemimager-client also installs -server and many other unrequired packages |
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| 13:46.55 | b_jonas | mot: ok, I guess my question was stupid probably |
| 13:47.06 | helo | including a dhcp3 server, and all kinds of junk |
| 13:47.27 | justin | helo: it is installing all the recommends |
| 13:47.29 | helo | i suppose they aren't suggested packages, but i know they aren't requirements |
| 13:47.33 | mot | yes, i'm positive it's the library i need |
| 13:47.34 | helo | that's the word i was looking for |
| 13:47.45 | justin | helo: try --without-recommends |
| 13:47.56 | b_jonas | I've seen programs that had some curses-like library statically compiled in them which only worked if I installed the termcap-compat (I think) package |
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| 13:48.22 | b_jonas | well, you could try to build it from source maybe |
| 13:48.24 | mot | how do i add the etch-backports repo to my sources.list? |
| 13:48.27 | b_jonas | but I've no idea if that would work |
| 13:48.37 | mot | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/etch-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 13:48.39 | b_jonas | I've never built ncurses |
| 13:48.51 | themill | mot: you don't want etch-backports if you're running lenny. |
| 13:49.07 | mot | well, what do i want to get an earlier version of libncurses up and running? |
| 13:49.10 | helo | that did it justin, thanks |
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| 13:50.51 | themill | mot: my first attempt would be: ln -s /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 /lib/libncurses.so.5.4 As I said, not guaranteed to work but often will. |
| 13:50.55 | nico_nico | hello. newbie question : when I display the permissions of a file, it says "-rw-r--r--+". What does the final "+" mean ? |
| 13:51.27 | asg | nico_nico: either acls or attributes (can't remember which) |
| 13:51.59 | nico_nico | Sorry, i don't know much about this stuff. Could it be a reason why Apache can't read it ? |
| 13:52.16 | b_jonas | nico_nico: the corutils info says something about the plus |
| 13:52.41 | b_jonas | "Following the permission bits is a single character that specifies whether an alternate access method applies to the file. When that character is a space, there is no alternate access method. When it is a printing character (e.g., `+'), then there is such a method." |
| 13:52.46 | b_jonas | I've no idea what that means |
| 13:52.52 | Wesley | Whats the way to go to do a full check on your HDD's for any errors, bad sectors etc? - its in a raid 1 array |
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| 13:54.09 | asg | b_jonas: that extended acls or SELinux permissions are in effect most likely |
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| 13:54.25 | asg | nico_nico: what does lsattr <file> output? |
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| 13:54.31 | elliotjhu1 | hi all, where does debian keep its iptables config? |
| 13:54.38 | rvsjoen | Wesley : badblocks |
| 13:54.47 | wols | elliotjhu1: it doesn't really |
| 13:55.00 | b_jonas | elliotjhu1: I think iptables isn't enabled in debian normally |
| 13:55.08 | nico_nico | Ioctl() inappropré pour un périphérique Lors de la lecture des drapeaux sur index.php |
| 13:55.09 | Wesley | ok thx! ill man badblocks :) |
| 13:55.15 | elliotjhu1 | b_jonas: so how do you enable it then? |
| 13:55.20 | asg | elliotjhu1: where you tell it to: see /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* for an exhaustive treatise on the subject |
| 13:55.25 | wols | Wesley: you use smartmontools |
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| 13:55.26 | mot | hmm i think i see my problem |
| 13:55.29 | wols | not badblocks |
| 13:55.32 | b_jonas | elliotjhu1: you need to compile the iptables modules, |
| 13:55.36 | b_jonas | and then write iptable rules |
| 13:55.36 | Wesley | wols; im unable to read it |
| 13:55.37 | wols | b_jonas: no |
| 13:55.41 | b_jonas | I don't know if there's any debian way |
| 13:55.42 | mot | themill i have a 62-bit system, the program requires 32-bit ncurses libraries |
| 13:55.46 | asg | b_jonas: no he doesn't, the iptables modules are part of the debian kernel |
| 13:55.47 | wols | Wesley: read what? |
| 13:55.48 | Wesley | I mean wols, i'm unable to download it. i'm using a live cd. |
| 13:55.53 | mot | i found an IBM technote that addresses the issue. i'll just install the 32-bit libraries |
| 13:56.01 | b_jonas | wols, asg: are they? I didn't know that |
| 13:56.01 | elliotjhu1 | asg: Yeah - I thought as much - I did modprobe ip_tables |
| 13:56.11 | wols | !wayttd elliotjhu1 |
| 13:56.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, elliotjhu1? |
| 13:56.25 | wols | mot: ia32libs probably |
| 13:56.32 | b_jonas | well, in that case you just have to install the user-space iptables tool (I think the package name is iptables as well) |
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| 13:56.34 | b_jonas | and use that |
| 13:56.39 | asg | b_jonas: there is just no default policy in debian as the maintainer states in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 13:56.39 | nico_nico | asg : I'm affraid lsattr doesn't work. Cannot read the flag for this file |
| 13:56.40 | themill | mot: I know very little about mixing 32 and 64 bit installs for multiarch stuff. You might need a chroot for it. |
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| 13:56.47 | asg | nico_nico: getfacl <file>? |
| 13:57.03 | b_jonas | asg: and is there a default way to place your custom iptables rules? |
| 13:57.15 | elliotjhu1 | wols: I am trying to do prerouting on my debian box to send users who go to a subdomain to go an ip address |
| 13:57.24 | b_jonas | asg: I don't have that README |
| 13:57.25 | wols | b_jonas: no. debian doesn't care about iptables by default at all. but it is always installed |
| 13:57.38 | b_jonas | I see |
| 13:57.48 | b_jonas | then I didn't do the Wrong Thing when I invented my own |
| 13:58.01 | nico_nico | asg : http://pastebin.ca/1042910 |
| 13:58.05 | asg | b_jonas: sorry about that, I don't know where the maintainer put it now. Let me see if I can find it. |
| 13:58.12 | b_jonas | I actually just copied the script from my previous non-debian system and modified it |
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| 13:58.30 | b_jonas | and then loaded it from some init script |
| 13:59.47 | WormFood | please forgive my ignorance, but what is the bug tracker url for sid? |
| 13:59.48 | asg | b_jonas: traditionally, using iptables-restore in a pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces is the best way to go if you roll your own. |
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| 13:59.54 | asg | WormFood: bugs.debian.org |
| 13:59.58 | asg | WormFood: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:00.01 | b_jonas | asg: I don't like iptables-restore |
| 14:00.02 | WormFood | thanks asg |
| 14:00.22 | b_jonas | I knew about it, but I rather write all the iptables commands by hand |
| 14:00.28 | b_jonas | it's easier to manage I think |
| 14:00.36 | WormFood | asg, why do you tell me to /msg dpkg, when that info is not in that entry? |
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| 14:01.33 | asg | WormFood: because you didn't read the FAQ linked therein |
| 14:01.59 | WormFood | yes I did, and I didn't see the bug tracker url listed there.....not to say I couldn't overlook it, but I didn't see it |
| 14:02.07 | asg | nico_nico: did you set this box up or did someone else? |
| 14:02.30 | asg | WormFood: it's in the section 'Is package foo broken?' |
| 14:02.47 | asg | hat's why Debian has a Bug Tracking System. (You'll also see this called the BTS.) Check there before you ask for help with a package in sid. If you don't see your bug there, but you think it's a real problem in the package, then file a bug report yourself. (You can do this with the reportbug package.) |
| 14:03.04 | b_jonas | asg: one of my problems is that if I want to edit the previous iptables rules with iptables, I have to use numeric rule ids (which iptables -L doesn't even display) |
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| 14:03.06 | asg | note that 'Bug Tracking System' is a link to bugs.debian.org |
| 14:03.17 | WormFood | oooohhhh....I see it now |
| 14:03.20 | b_jonas | it's easier to just insert and delete lines at the right place in a script |
| 14:03.21 | WormFood | thanks for pointing that out |
| 14:03.34 | asg | b_jonas: --line-numbers |
| 14:04.00 | b_jonas | asg: oh wow |
| 14:04.04 | b_jonas | thanks, that works |
| 14:04.05 | nico_nico | asg : honnestly, this is quite a mess : we started on our own, then asked someone for helping us. |
| 14:04.11 | b_jonas | I still like the editor more though |
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| 14:04.24 | psilocyb1n | so, i booted with knoppix, keyboard worked all ok in x too |
| 14:04.33 | psilocyb1n | but still this problem persist with my debian |
| 14:04.54 | asg | b_jonas: there are some other packages that you might look at, such as firehol that are more policy driven. Might help in a complex situation if you don't want to roll your own. |
| 14:05.14 | b_jonas | asg: no thanks, I don't want to replace the existing solution now |
| 14:05.21 | asg | fair enough |
| 14:05.23 | b_jonas | I still do changes to it of course, but not replace it |
| 14:06.17 | b_jonas | I think I've been editing that script since my suse system (before my gentoo system which was before the current debian install), though I might have rewritten it once |
| 14:06.47 | b_jonas | but the rewrite might have been when I transited to the 2.4 kernel so I had to change ipchains to iptables |
| 14:07.06 | b_jonas | hmm no |
| 14:07.08 | psilocyb1n | doh |
| 14:07.19 | psilocyb1n | should i reinstall whole debian again to just get keyboard to work? |
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| 14:07.26 | b_jonas | I must have rewritten it for the file starts with "# new IPTABLES rules" |
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| 14:07.55 | b_jonas | psilocyb1n: what's the problem? |
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| 14:10.12 | b_jonas | psilocyb1n: please describe the problem in more detail, how does it not work? |
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| 14:10.31 | b_jonas | oh, he's left |
| 14:10.33 | b_jonas | hmm |
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| 14:13.49 | JyZyXEL | so installing the java support for iceweasel? |
| 14:13.57 | JyZyXEL | apt-get or sun.com? |
| 14:14.16 | jelly | JyZyXEL: prefer apt. |
| 14:14.25 | JyZyXEL | it is in apt? |
| 14:14.27 | asg | nico_nico: Well, you could use the 'setfacl' command to start removing those extended access lists and start over. |
| 14:14.34 | JyZyXEL | any idea of the name? |
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| 14:14.43 | jelly | !tell JyZyXEL about java plugin |
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| 14:15.51 | nico_nico | ok thx |
| 14:16.10 | JyZyXEL | isn't x86 compitable with x86_64 |
| 14:17.02 | simonrvn | "compatible". no. |
| 14:17.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you mean exactly? |
| 14:18.24 | JyZyXEL | oh i thought it was |
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| 14:19.15 | stew | JyZyXEL: it depends on what exactly you mean |
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| 14:20.08 | JyZyXEL | would have been cool |
| 14:20.45 | JyZyXEL | wouldn't need a different version of the software to be able to use it |
| 14:20.54 | simonrvn | like stew said, it depends on what you mean by compatible |
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| 14:23.17 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 14:23.43 | JyZyXEL | simonrvn maybe its written compatable |
| 14:23.45 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 14:23.57 | loca|host | does anybody know wich debian architecture to install on Xeon servers to get the 64-bits ? |
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| 14:24.03 | stew | loca|host: amd64 |
| 14:24.57 | stew | JyZyXEL: it is possible to run x64 compiled software on hardware capable of running x86_64, and using a x86_64 kernel |
| 14:25.54 | JyZyXEL | stew how about running x86 software when running x86_64 kernel |
| 14:26.18 | wols | JyZyXEL: yes, if the proper libraries are available |
| 14:26.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes, that is exactly what i just said |
| 14:26.38 | JyZyXEL | good |
| 14:26.55 | wols | stew: x64 compiled software doesn't sound like x86-32 to me :)+ |
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| 14:27.40 | stew | bah, i mean x86 yeah :) |
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| 14:27.55 | jelly | JyZyXEL: are you running i386 or amd64 debian? |
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| 14:28.27 | PepperBob | hi ya'll |
| 14:28.29 | jelly | I wonder |
| 14:28.31 | JyZyXEL | i386 |
| 14:28.47 | jelly | JyZyXEL: so you'll have java plugins for it. |
| 14:29.02 | JyZyXEL | no its not that :) |
| 14:29.04 | JyZyXEL | i was just thinking |
| 14:29.20 | PepperBob | i try to install postgresql-server-dev-8.2 from the backports - but it has unmet dependencies with libpq-dev. any hints how to solve this? |
| 14:29.30 | PepperBob | uh.. it's the etch-backports |
| 14:29.36 | PepperBob | running stable here. |
| 14:29.47 | asg | etch is stable |
| 14:29.56 | jelly | JyZyXEL: with some other distros, you can mix i386 and x86_64 packages almost freely. Debian can't do that, yet. |
| 14:30.08 | JyZyXEL | why :O |
| 14:30.21 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 14:30.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 14:30.53 | JyZyXEL | ia64 is intels? |
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| 14:31.20 | jelly | ia64 is a whole different beast |
| 14:31.50 | loca|host | jelly, at least it can go over the 4Gigs ram limit with the amd64 on Xeon |
| 14:32.03 | JyZyXEL | i don't like AMD's processors |
| 14:32.17 | stew | JyZyXEL: it is intel, but it is itanium, which is not x86_64. intel's x86_64 cpus (like core2duo) run on the amd64 arch |
| 14:32.28 | JyZyXEL | really? =D |
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| 14:32.38 | JyZyXEL | so its amd's turn to get the name ;) |
| 14:33.54 | Juventino | guys, i'm trying to compile the intel video driver, and it keeps on giving me the error: Must have X server >= 1.3 source tree for mode setting code. Please specify --with-xserver-source |
| 14:34.28 | JyZyXEL | intel gfx ;O |
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| 14:35.10 | JyZyXEL | btw who makes the best 3D gfx gear for linux? |
| 14:35.52 | JyZyXEL | nvidia and ati both seem to suck equally |
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| 14:36.19 | cromag | is it possible to change charset by starting gnome-terminal with an option or so ? from utf-8 to iso8859-* ? |
| 14:36.25 | checkers | hi, what's the normal --prefix to use when compiling apps on debian? |
| 14:36.46 | simonrvn | get something's source, and find out. |
| 14:36.54 | jdahm | how do you remove a package without it's dependencies, ie to install it from source instead? |
| 14:37.09 | asg | checkers: /usr/local unless you are creating a deb |
| 14:37.13 | chops | checkers: The normal way to compile apps on Debian is to use dpkg-buildpackage. If you don't have a Debian source package, I'd advise using GNU stow |
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| 14:37.29 | chops | checkers: Using stow, your prefix would be (for example) /usr/local/stow/app-i-am-compiling-1.2.3 |
| 14:38.09 | ganes | how to get the driver package for a particular device, i am having the device name |
| 14:38.13 | helo | anyone know if it is possible to hand out different pxe filenames based on mac address via dhcp3-server? |
| 14:38.33 | keith4 | helo: yes, it is |
| 14:38.41 | checkers | chops: is stow overkill for just small apps? I am just compiling a smtp proxy for DKIM signing my mails |
| 14:39.06 | helo | is it possible to, if the mac address isn't listed, default to one filename, but if there is a specific host declaration for a mac, use a different one? |
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| 14:39.19 | keith4 | again, yes |
| 14:39.21 | astra | hey all |
| 14:39.23 | chops | checkers: That determination is up to you... but stow is not high overhead. The number of extra steps to run as opposed to installing in /usr/local is one (two if you count 'cd /usr/local/stow' as a step) |
| 14:39.28 | astra | Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 14:39.39 | astra | what can I do with this error message in order to solve? |
| 14:40.21 | helo | will the 'filename blah' in a given host declaration with mac override other filename parameters? |
| 14:40.21 | keith4 | helo: you need "global" tftp-server and filename, or at least for the subnet you're working with, and then you can define the same options per-host |
| 14:40.40 | helo | cool |
| 14:40.55 | keith4 | helo: i believe that it's scoped, as you suggest |
| 14:41.03 | ganes | how to get the driver package for a particular device, i am having the device name |
| 14:41.15 | checkers | chops: ta for the info |
| 14:41.21 | chops | checkers: np |
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| 14:42.23 | webPragmatist | I have a funky issue with openssh... I am setting the umask to 002 and it works correctly when using SSH but when logging in with an FTP client like filezilla it doesn't follow that mask |
| 14:42.37 | webPragmatist | is there something else I need to set besides the bash profile? |
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| 14:44.53 | themill | webPragmatist: umask is normally set by the ftp client or perhaps by the ftp server. Your login files are not involved. |
| 14:45.16 | webPragmatist | even if it's over ssh? hrm? |
| 14:45.41 | themill | webPragmatist: what do you mean by ftp over ssh? |
| 14:45.41 | astra | Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 14:45.43 | astra | any idea for this? |
| 14:45.46 | webPragmatist | yes sorry |
| 14:45.47 | webPragmatist | SFTP |
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| 14:46.02 | justin | !wayttd astra |
| 14:46.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, astra? |
| 14:46.15 | astra | mc |
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| 14:46.21 | astra | midnight commander |
| 14:46.28 | astra | just irritating this error |
| 14:46.34 | astra | owever everything working fine |
| 14:46.48 | webPragmatist | themill: any idea on how to fix this? |
| 14:46.49 | jelly | webPragmatist: sftp subsystem doesn't have anything to do with your shell, so shell's configs won't affect it |
| 14:47.13 | justin | astra: paste that error message into google |
| 14:47.24 | astra | already done but nothing solved |
| 14:47.41 | astra | I already created a mount in fstab but nothing solved |
| 14:47.42 | fiendishfish | I need help with graphic card problems, Using one command it doesn't seem to recognise my graphics card, whereas if I use lspci it shows it, I dunno if the drivers are working propaly or it's working by default opposed to my on-board? : http://pastebin.ca/1042950 |
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| 14:48.07 | justin | astra: did you actually mount it, or just add the line in fstab? |
| 14:48.35 | webPragmatist | jelly well so is it possible to set the umask? |
| 14:48.39 | astra | lol |
| 14:48.40 | ganes | how to get the driver package for a particular device, i am having the device name |
| 14:48.48 | astra | justing: of course I mount it |
| 14:48.58 | astra | none 10M 24K 10M 1% /dev/pts |
| 14:49.07 | astra | but |
| 14:49.15 | themill | webPragmatist: You should be able to set that as an environment variable in your authorized_keys file. Or perhaps in ~/.ssh/environment. |
| 14:49.16 | astra | nothing |
| 14:49.28 | jelly | webPragmatist: no idea. |
| 14:49.42 | astra | andrew:~# cd /dev |
| 14:49.42 | astra | andrew:/dev# mkdir pty |
| 14:49.42 | astra | mkdir: cannot create directory `pty': File exists |
| 14:49.42 | astra | andrew:/dev# |
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| 14:49.49 | astra | ops |
| 14:49.56 | themill | dpkg: tell astra about paste |
| 14:50.10 | astra | hehe |
| 14:50.17 | jelly | astra: ls -ld /dev/ptmx |
| 14:50.50 | astra | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 Jun 8 23:39 /dev/ptmx |
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| 14:53.00 | ganes | how to get the driver package for a particular device, i am having the device name |
| 14:53.05 | astra | so |
| 14:53.06 | astra | jelly |
| 14:53.09 | astra | any idea? |
| 14:53.37 | liable | who has the 25 kernel and an atheros wireless card? |
| 14:53.48 | jelly | astra: no, apart from generic "strace it and see what fails before the message is output" |
| 14:54.00 | astra | eh |
| 14:54.15 | astra | hmm |
| 14:54.21 | astra | there is another thing |
| 14:54.27 | themill | dpkg: tell astra about enter |
| 14:54.43 | astra | wtf |
| 14:54.55 | jelly | don't |
| 14:54.57 | astra | tell themill about everything |
| 14:54.58 | jelly | type |
| 14:55.01 | jelly | like |
| 14:55.02 | jelly | this |
| 14:55.05 | astra | sry |
| 14:55.07 | themill | astra: please try to take up fewer lines and also convey more information while doing so |
| 14:55.47 | jelly | dpkg: forget everything |
| 14:55.48 | dpkg | i forgot everything, jelly |
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| 14:55.52 | jelly | :-) |
| 14:55.58 | woden1 | how do you receive a dcc file send with xchat? |
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| 14:56.04 | liable | that was an important factoid! |
| 14:56.18 | hoxu | !penixstrike astra |
| 14:56.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking astra to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:56.30 | jelly | woden1: a window pops up and you accept it there? |
| 14:56.46 | woden1 | jelly: no window pops up |
| 14:56.47 | astra | so under w I see only 1 user logged in the system (I see only 1 user's host) but under who I see 2 users host and under w it says 2 users logged in as well. how can I list that another host in w command |
| 14:56.49 | astra | ? |
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| 14:56.56 | jamesstanley | woden1, if you are behind a router, you may need to forward ports |
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| 14:57.07 | liable | huh? |
| 14:57.10 | jelly | woden1: and if you manually Window -> File Transfers? |
| 14:57.12 | woden1 | jamesstanley: I just have a home router (Belkin) |
| 14:57.29 | woden1 | jelly: I don't see the Window menu that you mention. |
| 14:57.37 | jamesstanley | Well IIRC DCC doesn't go through the server, so you will have to forward a port to your computer. |
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| 14:57.39 | wald0 | maybe this is OT (so i don't know where ask), but how i can know what is a FAST hard-disk ? i want to buy a fast HD |
| 14:57.48 | liable | jamesstanley: wrong |
| 14:57.49 | jelly | woden1: which version of xchat? |
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| 14:57.54 | jamesstanley | Oh? |
| 14:57.59 | liable | jamesstanley: yes |
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| 14:58.07 | wald0 | i have just see on google a forum post with speeds and i have see a disk of 213 mb/s (hdparm), is that possbile ??? |
| 14:58.08 | jamesstanley | DCC has never worked for me. |
| 14:58.09 | woden1 | jelly: 0.18 |
| 14:58.15 | jamesstanley | I assumed it was because I hadn't forwarded ports. |
| 14:58.20 | jelly | woden1: that's rather old. |
| 14:58.28 | astra | any idea for my new issue lol? |
| 14:58.28 | wald0 | i have never see more than 60 MB/s ! |
| 14:58.29 | woden1 | jelly: it's the latest in debian testing |
| 14:58.37 | S4nD3r | how to discover the gnome version using command line?? |
| 14:58.38 | jelly | !info xchat testing |
| 14:58.59 | jelly | woden1: xchat has versions like 2.8.4 |
| 14:59.03 | themill | liable: from wikipedia: "Once established, a typical DCC session runs independently from the IRC server." |
| 14:59.05 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-2+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 297 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 14:59.09 | woden1 | jelly: this is xchat-gnome package |
| 14:59.15 | jamesstanley | Thanks themill |
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| 14:59.25 | jelly | woden1: oh, that's a totally different program. I have no idea. |
| 14:59.34 | woden1 | jelly: is it totally different? |
| 14:59.37 | liable | themill: dont tell me you are trying to tell me i need to open ports to do so.. |
| 14:59.41 | justin | wald0: I have a raid 10 array that does 250mb/s |
| 14:59.45 | woden1 | I get a message like this " DR has offered Quake_2.rar (238749061 bytes)" but I don't know how to accept the file. |
| 14:59.56 | liable | themill: i will be very dissapointed with you if thats the case |
| 15:00.00 | jelly | woden1: yes, different codebase. Use "xchat" :-) |
| 15:00.03 | asg | !list |
| 15:00.03 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to asg |
| 15:00.22 | Nyle | good moring fellas |
| 15:00.51 | jelly | Nyle: it's 5PM and I'm going home :-D |
| 15:00.53 | wald0 | justin: wow... what i need to have this kind of hard disk on my computer ? and how much it costs ? |
| 15:01.00 | themill | liable: no clue... I never use dcc. Hate it with abandon. I'm not sure whether you are saying that dcc runs independently of the server or if you are talking about forwarding port here. |
| 15:01.06 | Nyle | jelly, 11am just woke up |
| 15:01.06 | asg | Nyle: it's 11AM and I'm on my second beer |
| 15:01.13 | Nyle | asg, nice :) |
| 15:01.21 | justin | wald0: lol, 4 drives that each do 60MB/s |
| 15:01.31 | Nyle | asg, I have today and tommorrow off |
| 15:01.37 | Nyle | *grin* |
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| 15:02.10 | Nyle | dcc is nice |
| 15:02.18 | Nyle | leeches 0day mp3 albums from rizon.net |
| 15:02.20 | jelly | Nyle: but you worked yesterday |
| 15:02.30 | Nyle | jelly, yes good too |
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| 15:02.41 | Nyle | jelly, 250$/hr, 4 hour onsite for a carpet company comptuers |
| 15:02.51 | Nyle | no tax either |
| 15:02.54 | Nyle | straight up cash |
| 15:02.58 | Nyle | i enjoyed my sunday. |
| 15:03.41 | wald0 | justin: but that's his real speed ? or... how that works ? |
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| 15:04.36 | Nyle | some of the best mp3 @find scripts for irssi ever, using DCC |
| 15:04.52 | Nyle | xcaht has crap, mirc has the best scripts for mp3 |
| 15:04.56 | Nyle | or dcc rather. |
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| 15:05.25 | justin | wald0: if you want performance you need more than one disk |
| 15:05.44 | Nyle | more than 2 actually to be precise justin right? |
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| 15:06.13 | justin | raid0 is plenty fast if you don't need redundancy |
| 15:06.27 | Nyle | well yeh, but more than 2 is always better for 0 |
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| 15:06.44 | asg | Nyle: spread across separate buses |
| 15:06.45 | ptlis | Does apache run as www-data in apache? |
| 15:06.48 | jamesstanley | maxamillion, did you attempt to register 'maximilian'...? If so, I know the guy who has that nick |
| 15:06.51 | Nyle | asg, multiple controllers yes |
| 15:06.52 | ptlis | s/apache/debian |
| 15:06.56 | Nyle | asg, quite right |
| 15:07.01 | wald0 | justin: and they works like a single one ? in linear writting too ? i dont quite understand... i mean, if i copy a big file, it is separed between the HD's ? |
| 15:07.05 | Nyle | asg, /me used to build oc gaming performance machines |
| 15:07.15 | jamesstanley | maxamillion, if not, never mind ;) |
| 15:07.18 | justin | wald0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 15:07.19 | asg | Nyle: I just buy SANs for heavy IO |
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| 15:07.35 | maxamillion | jamesstanley: nope, i've had this nick for quite a few years |
| 15:07.39 | jamesstanley | Ah ok |
| 15:07.44 | maxamillion | :P |
| 15:08.12 | wald0 | "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives" lol... thanks justin, ill made a look :) |
| 15:08.31 | Nyle | justin's da man |
| 15:08.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:08.40 | fiendishfish | I need help with graphic card problems, Using one command it doesn't seem to recognize my graphics card, whereas if I use lspci it shows it, I dunno if the drivers are working propaly or it's working by default opossed to my onboard? : http://pastebin.ca/1042950 |
| 15:09.06 | Nyle | fiendishfish, susually lspci |grep VGA |
| 15:09.17 | Nyle | rv350 |
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| 15:09.24 | Nyle | fiendishfish, you should use the radeon driver |
| 15:09.25 | fiendishfish | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] |
| 15:09.41 | Nyle | 3xx gets radeon, in fact 4xx/5xx/6xx all get radeon |
| 15:09.41 | fiendishfish | Nyle, Does that above statement confirm I'm using the correct driver? |
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| 15:09.52 | Nyle | radeonhd is not need as radeon can push all ati cards today |
| 15:09.55 | Nyle | its nice |
| 15:10.03 | fiendishfish | Nyle, how do I know if the drivers are working propaly |
| 15:10.11 | Nyle | fiendishfish, you'll get X |
| 15:10.17 | fiendishfish | Nyle, but it could be using my onboard? |
| 15:10.37 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I don't know what you mean, but try not to use fglrx which is why I recommended radeon |
| 15:10.52 | Nyle | your chocie though, for fglrx, you should do glxinfo |grep dir |
| 15:11.06 | Nyle | if you get direct renderig yes then it means that your driver was installed successfully |
| 15:11.11 | Nyle | (I think so anyway) |
| 15:12.01 | Nyle | fiendishfish, oh btw, you specify in xorg.conf the device you want to use |
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| 15:12.36 | Nyle | if you want to use one at 01:00.0 or 01:00.1 |
| 15:13.01 | Nyle | and I'm not too sure why you have the same card listed twice (confused look) |
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| 15:14.29 | Marcus_ | hi. i am trying to prevent iptables form loggin on the console: -j LOG --log-level info |
| 15:14.42 | Marcus_ | but the log messages still appear |
| 15:14.51 | asg | Marcus_: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 15:15.02 | Nyle | kellog |
| 15:15.04 | Nyle | d |
| 15:15.08 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:15.26 | Nyle | I actually have some honey bunches of oats |
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| 15:16.32 | Nyle | fiendishfish, so whats going on |
| 15:16.44 | fiendishfish | Nyle, It must be okj. |
| 15:16.48 | fiendishfish | It's listed in lspci, etc fine. |
| 15:16.53 | fiendishfish | It must of just been wine being a bitch. |
| 15:17.00 | Nyle | fiendishfish, hm |
| 15:17.03 | Nyle | okie dokie |
| 15:17.25 | wald0 | justin: you use sata or ide ? |
| 15:17.25 | Nyle | artichokie |
| 15:17.25 | fiendishfish | I've got all these binaries for openarena: openarena.i386 openarena.x86_64 etc |
| 15:17.27 | fiendishfish | But how do I run them |
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| 15:17.30 | justin | wald0: scsi and SAS |
| 15:17.32 | fiendishfish | I thought you used ./ |
| 15:17.38 | Nyle | fiendishfish, why not use debian pckages? |
| 15:17.44 | Nyle | openarena I play also |
| 15:17.53 | fiendishfish | Nyle, that's the installed final package I think |
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| 15:18.19 | Nyle | never looked at the list of files int he pacakge in ..../bin |
| 15:18.49 | Nyle | but use the menu entry. aptitude install menu && update-menus |
| 15:19.07 | Nyle | should be listed under games, if not, run the binary for your cpu arch. I guess |
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| 15:19.25 | fiendishfish | WTF |
| 15:19.29 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:19.30 | fiendishfish | Nyle, that just removed gdm :o |
| 15:19.38 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 15:19.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:19.47 | fiendishfish | Why did it remove loads of stuff? |
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| 15:20.19 | twobitwork | what branch are you running? |
| 15:20.20 | Nyle | I don't know. Dependency crap, you maybe used apt-get to isntall some stuff and now aptitude is trying to do other stuff? |
| 15:20.30 | Nyle | he can't be using stable. |
| 15:20.36 | fiendishfish | How do I check |
| 15:20.43 | Nyle | !tell fiendishfish -about version |
| 15:20.48 | Nyle | look at sources.list easy |
| 15:20.48 | liable | at any rate, you hit 'Y' without looking.. |
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| 15:21.18 | fiendishfish | I'm using 4.0 |
| 15:21.19 | fiendishfish | etch |
| 15:21.20 | fiendishfish | :/ |
| 15:21.27 | Nyle | liable, I'm not sure what you mean. you possibly coulnd't mean to blindly hit yes...? |
| 15:21.39 | Nyle | sarcasm |
| 15:21.40 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:21.44 | fiendishfish | It's not that big of a problem. |
| 15:21.49 | hoxu | Is there a clean, neat debian way of doing 6to4 via 192.88.99.1? |
| 15:22.01 | twobitwork | Nyle: he was asking a question... as in "and then you hit yes, blindly?" |
| 15:22.10 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:22.16 | Nyle | word, word. |
| 15:22.21 | wald0 | justin: i have an amd64 with sata and ide, i have now an IDE hd and a USB hd too... what is better to set up a raid0 system ? just buy new disks in sata mode ? or i can use these ones too ? (what's better in performance?) |
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| 15:22.29 | Nyle | twobitwork, hey not a sprite no more eh, having fun at work bro? |
| 15:22.43 | twobitwork | Nyle: heh... yeah, this is my at-work nick |
| 15:22.50 | justin | wald0: you want all the disks to be the same |
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| 15:23.38 | Nyle | if you want speed, scsi up some 15k rpm drives, on two diff controllers, and have 4 disks in raid 0 w/o parity |
| 15:23.42 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:24.07 | Nyle | or you can mirrora single drive on each controller with 0 |
| 15:24.12 | Nyle | if you need redundancy |
| 15:24.16 | chops | Nyle: Or RAID up some solid-state drives |
| 15:24.22 | Nyle | ooooh |
| 15:24.23 | Nyle | yeah baby |
| 15:24.30 | Nyle | chops, very expensive though atm |
| 15:24.33 | justin | I have a raid1 array at home using 2 USB2.0 drives with ZFS.. it is "slow" but it can easily saturate the 100M lan, so paying more for fancy sata cards is kind of pointless |
| 15:24.34 | jdahm | why does debian not have gtk-2.4? |
| 15:24.46 | Nyle | zfs is hot |
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| 15:24.54 | fiendishfish | Nyle, can I pm you? |
| 15:24.56 | Nyle | one of the best fs imo |
| 15:24.59 | Nyle | fiendishfish, please don't |
| 15:25.00 | jdahm | or rather, is it in unstable? |
| 15:25.04 | Nyle | :) just ask here buddy |
| 15:25.06 | fiendishfish | Nyle, It's not relevant to Linux. |
| 15:25.07 | justin | jdahm: gtk 2.4 is OLD |
| 15:25.10 | fiendishfish | Not really anyway. |
| 15:25.10 | hoxu | Nyle, can you please limit the amount of enter usage? |
| 15:25.12 | Nyle | fiendishfish, sure |
| 15:25.17 | fiendishfish | So I can? |
| 15:25.19 | Nyle | hoxu, sorry, my bad. |
| 15:25.23 | chops | Nyle: We have a 4x128GB solid-state RAID0 array here for quickly doing critical disk-intensive tasks... it can finish 'du' in about 1-2 seconds :-). It did cost around $4k, though. |
| 15:25.36 | jdahm | justin: well I'm trying to build a package from source and it says I don't have a new enough version of GTK+, it wants 2.4 |
| 15:25.51 | Nyle | chops, I have a fairly deep pocket book, but not THAT deep :) |
| 15:25.54 | justin | jdahm: you are most likely missing the -dev package for gtk |
| 15:25.57 | Nyle | -book. |
| 15:26.01 | hoxu | jdahm, install it, /msg dpkg search |
| 15:26.04 | jdahm | justin: how can I upgrade that package? I'm running test/unstable |
| 15:26.15 | justin | jdahm: you don't need to UPGRADE it you need to INSTALL it |
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| 15:27.16 | wald0 | justin: i don't want to bother you with my questions, do you have any good howto about how to set up a raid0 system ? |
| 15:28.37 | Nyle | tldp raid howto |
| 15:28.38 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:28.46 | Nyle | !raid |
| 15:28.46 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 15:28.49 | Nyle | nm |
| 15:29.05 | Nyle | wald0, I suggest searchign on debian-administration. whatever |
| 15:29.09 | Nyle | org net com i cant' recall |
| 15:29.30 | wald0 | ok, let's see |
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| 15:30.59 | wols | wald0: supposedly the debian installer does it automatically |
| 15:31.15 | wols | if you run it in expert mode. if you want to actually have /boot on your raid0 it gets tricky |
| 15:31.40 | Nyle | wols, d-a website has good toturials specific to debian raids |
| 15:31.48 | Nyle | er.. -debian |
| 15:31.54 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 15:34.26 | jdahm | justin: I installed libgtk-dev and it's saying I still have under 2.4 |
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| 15:35.08 | fiendishfish | Nyle, :/ I downloaded the zip, and it has binaries in now wut |
| 15:35.19 | Nyle | waste of bandwidth |
| 15:35.27 | Nyle | fiendishfish, aptitude install openarena |
| 15:35.48 | Nyle | dunno what to do with a zipfile with binaries. |
| 15:35.57 | Nyle | I don't even know wtf a computer is :) |
| 15:36.08 | fiendishfish | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "openarena" |
| 15:36.11 | fiendishfish | Let me apt-cache it |
| 15:36.22 | fiendishfish | No results ;/ |
| 15:36.35 | Nyle | fiendishfish, not in stable |
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| 15:37.14 | Nyle | hm.. I don't trust zip |
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| 15:37.26 | fiendishfish | There's not a package in stable? |
| 15:37.29 | fiendishfish | for* |
| 15:37.37 | Nyle | fiendishfish, would you like to try and backport the openarena engine? data is static package |
| 15:37.37 | bringatowel | its in testing and sid |
| 15:37.45 | bringatowel | err testing and unstable |
| 15:37.50 | fiendishfish | Nyle, nothx. |
| 15:37.59 | Nyle | fiendishfish, its a piece of cake really |
| 15:38.02 | Nyle | take a chance |
| 15:38.06 | Nyle | !ssb |
| 15:38.06 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 15:38.38 | Cufaf | sa. |
| 15:38.43 | bringatowel | hehe you are lucky to have 3d accel running on stable fiendishfish, have not had much luck personally |
| 15:38.45 | fiendishfish | Nyle, Why would I need a backport, I'm on 4.0 |
| 15:38.48 | Cufaf | debianla ilgili bi sorunum var |
| 15:38.48 | Nyle | Cufaf, w.s. |
| 15:38.53 | fiendishfish | Oh. |
| 15:38.56 | fiendishfish | I see rofl |
| 15:39.00 | Nyle | Cufaf, which language? |
| 15:39.18 | bringatowel | italian? |
| 15:39.18 | Cufaf | Nyle, Tr. or Eng. |
| 15:39.23 | themill | !tr |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 15:39.38 | Cufaf | oh ook debian.tr uheuhe |
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| 15:40.16 | fiendishfish | Nyle, do I just add: deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ gutsy main |
| 15:40.18 | fiendishfish | or sid main |
| 15:40.20 | fiendishfish | or whatever |
| 15:40.23 | fiendishfish | sid* |
| 15:40.27 | Nyle | Cufaf, next time don't say SA, imo try showing a little more respect by actually saying salam u alaikum |
| 15:40.33 | Nyle | as I myself don't like to abbreviate it. |
| 15:40.38 | wald0 | is LVM = RAID(0) ? |
| 15:40.42 | Nyle | just my deal, don't have to share my belief. |
| 15:40.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:40.46 | Cufaf | Nyle, uehuhe |
| 15:40.48 | Cufaf | :D |
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| 15:41.21 | Cufaf | Nyle, debian.tr havent a users :S |
| 15:41.28 | Cufaf | can you help me :S |
| 15:41.28 | vchrizz | hi |
| 15:41.35 | fiendishfish | ROFL |
| 15:41.35 | Nyle | Cufaf, sure ask your question in english |
| 15:41.36 | vchrizz | what does the error "Link number out of range" means? |
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| 15:41.43 | vchrizz | mean |
| 15:41.50 | fiendishfish | !backport |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 15:42.27 | Nyle | Cufaf, please ask #debian and do not ask Nyle in /msg |
| 15:42.32 | jdahm | I can't get a newer version of GTK on my computer, I have been searching for quite a while, what package will upgrade it for me? I have libgtk-dev installed |
| 15:42.40 | Cufaf | zzzzzzzz |
| 15:42.41 | Nyle | Cufaf, Nyle doesn't know anything, but #debian knows a lot |
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| 15:43.00 | gnd | can anyone tell me why /tmp would be mounted as filesystem overflow with the size of 1024 1k-blocks? |
| 15:43.06 | fiendishfish | Nyle, rofl. |
| 15:43.11 | fiendishfish | Patronising. |
| 15:43.15 | Juventino | guys, i got an error about /dev/agpgart not found, how can i fix that? :\ |
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| 15:43.28 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I did not intend that |
| 15:43.32 | Cufaf | i did install a debian and upgrade to lenny... amm terminal give all time a error |
| 15:43.33 | Cufaf | http://yourpaste.net/779/ |
| 15:43.34 | wald0 | i don't see any howto in debian-administration.org, can anybody recommend me a good howto about RAID0 in debian ? |
| 15:43.34 | Nyle | does it really come off as me being patronizing? |
| 15:43.36 | Nyle | ew. |
| 15:43.39 | fiendishfish | Nyle, yeh. |
| 15:43.42 | fiendishfish | And plus your grammar is poor. |
| 15:43.48 | fiendishfish | ;) |
| 15:43.49 | Nyle | english is notn my first lingo |
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| 15:43.53 | Nyle | I'm pakistani |
| 15:43.55 | fiendishfish | Ah. |
| 15:43.55 | Kobaz | grammar nazi |
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| 15:43.58 | fiendishfish | Kobaz, inorite. |
| 15:44.01 | fiendishfish | Nyle, cool |
| 15:44.13 | Nyle | Pakistan the greatest nation on earth |
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| 15:44.19 | Kobaz | haha |
| 15:44.21 | Nyle | even better than kazikistan ;) |
| 15:44.31 | Nyle | ala borat eh :) |
| 15:44.36 | Kobaz | fiendishfish: you know, i was looking that up on my dictionary, and then i realized what it was |
| 15:44.40 | liable | pitty they cant play cricket |
| 15:44.49 | Cufaf | who can help me.! |
| 15:44.49 | Nyle | we won the 1992 world cup |
| 15:44.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:45.03 | Nyle | haven't won shit since then |
| 15:45.09 | cromag | !firefox |
| 15:45.09 | dpkg | i guess firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 15:45.18 | Nyle | ... |
| 15:45.19 | Kobaz | No definitions found for "inorite", perhaps you mean: Norite Minorite inosite |
| 15:45.21 | Kobaz | heh |
| 15:45.22 | Nyle | !iceweasel |
| 15:45.22 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:45.52 | fiendishfish | Kobaz, Looking up what? |
| 15:45.53 | Kobaz | !why iceweasel |
| 15:45.53 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 15:45.56 | fiendishfish | which word& |
| 15:45.59 | Cufaf | Nyle, here havent a helper?.. |
| 15:46.04 | Kobaz | fiendishfish: the one i pasted |
| 15:46.04 | ac3 | The solution is say to system what applications don't go to keyring system, or say to keyring manager what applications allow password automatically without write the keyring password. |
| 15:46.09 | limpio | hi, if i have a US english keyboard but do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configure it as a spanish keyboard will it change it to spanish? Will i be able to use spanish keys? |
| 15:46.10 | Nyle | Cufaf, ask your question please |
| 15:46.11 | cromag | i understand then |
| 15:46.18 | fiendishfish | Kobaz, grammar nazi? |
| 15:46.19 | Cufaf | i did install a debian and upgrade to lenny... amm terminal give all time a error |
| 15:46.23 | Kobaz | fiendishfish: inorite |
| 15:46.26 | fiendishfish | Oh. |
| 15:46.28 | fiendishfish | Heh. |
| 15:46.29 | Cufaf | this is my distros eroors |
| 15:46.30 | Kobaz | fiendishfish: i was looking it up |
| 15:46.30 | Cufaf | http://yourpaste.net/779/ |
| 15:46.30 | Nyle | Cufaf, which error? |
| 15:46.33 | Nyle | ok hang on |
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| 15:47.04 | Cufaf | Nyle, i cant use a synaptic or cant install with terminal any |
| 15:47.08 | fiendishfish | Why did they decide to revoke the agreement for Debian to use their trademark> |
| 15:47.15 | Kobaz | ask mozilla |
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| 15:47.21 | fiendishfish | !ask mozilla |
| 15:47.21 | fiendishfish | xd |
| 15:47.28 | liable | because they are cunts? |
| 15:47.35 | Nyle | fiendishfish, whoah |
| 15:47.37 | fiendishfish | liable, I thought everyone loved firefox aswell. |
| 15:47.47 | Nyle | fiendishfish, apt-get -f install |
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| 15:47.50 | fiendishfish | Next minute they're being pretty twatish |
| 15:47.52 | Nyle | remove the unconfigured packages of gnome first |
| 15:48.03 | saokn | when you use iceweasel you use opensource |
| 15:48.05 | Nyle | and is gnome broken/buggy in lenny atm? (/me uses sid only) |
| 15:48.07 | saokn | iceweasel is the right path |
| 15:48.21 | Nyle | saokn, other than non-free artkwork/name, its the same thing |
| 15:48.22 | fiendishfish | saokn, When you use firefox you use open source :;/ |
| 15:48.26 | themill | Cufaf: can you tell us what the output of this is: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:48.39 | fiendishfish | IceWeasel == Firefox. |
| 15:48.44 | Cufaf | uhhhhh. |
| 15:48.45 | fiendishfish | But with a different name :/ |
| 15:48.47 | Cufaf | :S |
| 15:48.53 | Nyle | the things not free are firefox name |
| 15:49.06 | fiendishfish | Because, liable rightly said, they are cunts. |
| 15:49.06 | Nyle | if you use firefox name, y ou must use mozilla's artwork i think |
| 15:49.11 | Nyle | and that arkwork is not free |
| 15:49.19 | Nyle | which is why firefox is not DFSG compat |
| 15:49.25 | fiendishfish | LOL 32x32 picture isn't free!!!!1111 |
| 15:49.31 | Nyle | mozilla is a bitch abou tit |
| 15:49.32 | Nyle | yess |
| 15:49.42 | saokn | so I have to pay for that one 32x32 picture in order to use firefox on debian? |
| 15:49.46 | Nyle | not pay |
| 15:49.51 | fiendishfish | saokn, Hahaha |
| 15:49.58 | Nyle | it means mozilla wants you to use thier logo and graphics if you decide to use the firefox name |
| 15:50.06 | fiendishfish | saokn, IceWeasel is firefox on Debian. |
| 15:50.13 | saokn | fiendishfish: haha, yes I understand |
| 15:50.14 | Nyle | so we said fuck it, we'll use our artwork, and fork it, call it assweasel |
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| 15:50.15 | jelly | fiendishfish: If you had a brand and trademarked logos, you wouldn't protect them? |
| 15:50.20 | fiendishfish | Nyle, I don't see a problem with that, it was the debian devs who are being twatish then. |
| 15:50.28 | Nyle | fiendishfish, no |
| 15:50.32 | Nyle | mozilla |
| 15:50.35 | fiendishfish | How so? |
| 15:50.41 | Nyle | because the product isn't competely free |
| 15:50.43 | Nyle | its open source |
| 15:50.43 | roe | this sums up the problem pretty well |
| 15:50.45 | roe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla |
| 15:50.45 | Nyle | but its not free |
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| 15:50.53 | themill | Cufaf: please stay in the channel and not ask people questions in private messages. |
| 15:50.56 | Nyle | open source is NOT the same thing as Free Software |
| 15:50.57 | themill | Cufaf: can you tell us what the output of this is: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:51.11 | wols | fiendishfish: debian cannot use firefox. debian couldn't do security updates on stable then |
| 15:51.13 | Nyle | Cufaf, try apt-get -f install |
| 15:51.14 | fiendishfish | roe, ... grammar of the article is bad, so tl;dr |
| 15:51.18 | rox | guys, it was mozilla people who demanded the rename, not debian people |
| 15:51.19 | fiendishfish | 'requirements to the "Firefox" trademark which the Debian Project did not wanted to accept.[specify]' |
| 15:51.20 | Cufaf | Nyle, i try it |
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| 15:51.27 | Cufaf | no |
| 15:51.28 | Cufaf | :S |
| 15:51.32 | roe | tl;dr? |
| 15:51.36 | Nyle | Cufaf, it should remove the packages what are left unconfigured |
| 15:51.38 | fiendishfish | 'To long didn't read' |
| 15:51.43 | fiendishfish | Too* |
| 15:51.51 | Nyle | Cufaf, also, start using aptitude as it has better fuction |
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| 15:52.05 | gnd | after you edit /etc/mtab, what do you need to do (apart from rebooting) for the changes to take effect? |
| 15:52.05 | Nyle | Cufaf, also, I'm notsure but gnome might be problematic in lenny at this time |
| 15:52.12 | Nyle | mtab |
| 15:52.12 | Nyle | no |
| 15:52.17 | Nyle | edit fstab |
| 15:52.24 | Nyle | the fuck. |
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| 15:52.51 | rox | fiendishfish: the point is, that firefox automatic update should be functional, but debian devs disabled it because updates on debian are done in another manner |
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| 15:53.03 | Cufaf | thanx all bye |
| 15:53.05 | gnd | there is this line in my mtab that is not in the fstab: overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,size=1048576,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 15:53.07 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does my numeric keyboard stopped working? |
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| 15:53.15 | rox | fiendishfish: so mozilla people demanded that the product shouldn't be called firefox |
| 15:53.17 | glam | How do I open the port 8080 for Jboss? |
| 15:53.21 | gnd | I want to get rid of it as it limits my /tmp to 1MB |
| 15:53.27 | rox | gonzaloaf: maybe you should hit numlock |
| 15:53.36 | gonzaloaf | rox, it is |
| 15:53.49 | gonzaloaf | rox, it works just before start X session |
| 15:53.58 | Nyle | gnd, hmm strange, 1mb /tmp sucks |
| 15:54.04 | Nyle | I wonder why its being mounted like that |
| 15:54.17 | gnd | there is no mention of /tmp in fstab |
| 15:54.20 | fiendishfish | rox, so it's just a f0rk then |
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| 15:54.49 | themill | rox: it's not just about automatic updates of ff. It's also about backporting patches. |
| 15:54.52 | wols | fiendishfish: mostly a recompile actually |
| 15:54.56 | rox | fiendishfish: it's not even a fork, it's just a build with the auto-update feature disabled by default |
| 15:54.58 | gonzaloaf | any other reason because my numeric keyboard stopped working? |
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| 15:55.42 | Nyle | gnd, i think it might be beyond my skills |
| 15:55.45 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:55.59 | rox | themill: the bottom line is this: the changes that debian developers did to firefox were large enough for mozilla to demand the firefox name not be used for the debian package |
| 15:56.18 | Nyle | what changes...? |
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| 15:56.50 | wols | gnd: the question is, why is it in mtab for you? |
| 15:56.51 | themill | rox: no, the bottom line is that mozco refused to let anyone make any changes to firefox without their prior permission which is incompatible with a stable distribution. |
| 15:57.05 | gnd | no idea |
| 15:57.10 | wols | gnd: and: what is df saying? |
| 15:57.15 | themill | rox: (because they were unwilling to give said permission in a timely manner) |
| 15:57.18 | rox | themill: that's not true |
| 15:57.28 | gnd | wols: overflow 1024 840 184 83% /tmp |
| 15:57.45 | rox | themill: they don't have the power to disallow making changes to firefox |
| 15:57.51 | wols | gnd: unount it |
| 15:57.59 | rox | themill: they do have the power to restrict the use of the trademark |
| 15:58.08 | wols | rox: of course they do. it's THEIR code. they have the copyright |
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| 15:58.18 | themill | rox: which is the other half of what I was saying. |
| 15:58.23 | wols | and they own the trademarks (which are actually what is the problem here, NOT the code) |
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| 15:58.43 | DustyDingo | hi, does anybody know, which debian package includes javax.servlets? |
| 15:58.45 | rox | wols: yeah, but it's GPL, you can take any GPLed version of their code and modify it |
| 15:58.51 | wols | !tell DustyDingo about search |
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| 15:59.01 | themill | rox: which is what debian did. Are we going around in circles yet? |
| 15:59.13 | Nyle | like fucking NASCAR |
| 15:59.13 | Nyle | . |
| 15:59.29 | Nyle | round n' a round we go |
| 15:59.29 | mcr | hey. I maintain an internal repo of tools we use/have-created. |
| 15:59.29 | rox | themill: right, let's drop it; how did we get into this anyway? i joined mid-talk |
| 15:59.37 | mcr | it's growing with lots of old versions of the .deb files. |
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| 15:59.54 | mcr | are there any programs that already exist to clean that kinda stuff out, so that I only have the latest .deb files? |
| 15:59.59 | Nyle | themill, which kde are you using btw? |
| 16:00.05 | Nyle | themill, 3 or 4? |
| 16:00.06 | mcr | (or do I have to whip one up in perl...) |
| 16:00.20 | DustyDingo | wols: please, stop waisting my time |
| 16:00.22 | themill | Nyle: 3.5.7 from bpo |
| 16:00.37 | Nyle | DustyDingo, I think he told you of a very important factoid/skill |
| 16:00.48 | DustyDingo | Nyle: pfff |
| 16:00.49 | Nyle | being able to search is a great skill, and knowing the right tools is even better |
| 16:01.00 | Nyle | DustyDingo, don't be a dick to someone trying to helpy ou |
| 16:01.03 | Nyle | please |
| 16:01.08 | wols | DustyDingo: stop wasting ours then |
| 16:01.17 | themill | DustyDingo: why should I run apt-file for you if you can't be arsed doing so? |
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| 16:01.26 | wols | especially when my suggestion was very much the solution |
| 16:01.28 | DustyDingo | maybe i got a reason to ask, because i don't find it, because it's not documented and the file i search is included i some unknown jar package? |
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| 16:02.30 | Nyle | themill, etch? |
| 16:02.40 | Nyle | I wonder what dan is upto |
| 16:02.42 | Nyle | !stosberg |
| 16:02.42 | dpkg | from memory, stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (oldstable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. For etch, try </msg dpkg bpo> (backports) |
| 16:02.52 | DustyDingo | so before following standard procedure, start to think yourself |
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| 16:02.54 | themill | DustyDingo: you *might* have a reason to ask then. You should try (a) mentioning that in your question (/msg dpkg smart questions) and (b) not insult people who are trying to help you. Remember that 90+% of questions that are like yours are people being too bloody lazy to search for themselves. |
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| 16:03.12 | Nyle | defunt factoid |
| 16:03.20 | Nyle | dpkg forget stosberg |
| 16:03.20 | dpkg | Nyle: i forgot stosberg |
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| 16:03.35 | Nyle | page no workie |
| 16:03.59 | DustyDingo | sorry that i assumed, that people here know, that when i ask for java package i don't ask for a file |
| 16:04.00 | dbmoodb | Nyle: ping ? |
| 16:04.09 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:04.09 | themill | Nyle: etch + etchnhalf + lots of backports.org + lots of my own backports. I should just upgrade to lenny at this stage. |
| 16:04.15 | Nyle | dbmoodb, whats up bro |
| 16:04.27 | SeveredCross | Hey, anyone here know if the dpkg bot supports Perl regexp's for factoid editing? |
| 16:04.28 | dbmoodb | ping the page ? |
| 16:04.32 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:04.39 | Nyle | I thought you were pinging me :) |
| 16:04.42 | dbmoodb | no |
| 16:04.58 | Nyle | dbmoodb, good idea, no dice though |
| 16:05.00 | Nyle | page no workie |
| 16:05.08 | themill | SeveredCross: it does but it's picky about whitespace around the operators and also the delimiters you use. |
| 16:05.10 | dbmoodb | .... what page ? |
| 16:05.15 | Nyle | ahhh massive latency |
| 16:05.28 | Nyle | 70% packet loss |
| 16:05.44 | SeveredCross | themill: Hmm. I could work with that. |
| 16:05.46 | dbmoodb | i fing using tor is better at times --- bypasses isp problems |
| 16:05.54 | dbmoodb | just an idea Nyle |
| 16:05.58 | Nyle | dbmoodb, opendns works fairly well |
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| 16:06.11 | Nyle | dbmoodb, a very good idea indeed, though tor is.. blah. |
| 16:06.13 | SeveredCross | themill: Would you happen to know what the bot software is? Is it InfoBot? |
| 16:06.14 | dbmoodb | Nyle: sure if you like using it |
| 16:06.21 | asg | SeveredCross: blootbot |
| 16:06.21 | themill | dpkg: what are you |
| 16:06.22 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 16:06.27 | SeveredCross | Ah. |
| 16:06.28 | SeveredCross | Thanks. |
| 16:06.38 | asg | themill: how long ago was it changed? |
| 16:06.49 | Nyle | 2 years i think |
| 16:06.56 | Nyle | round about I can't recall |
| 16:06.57 | themill | asg: bllootbot is dead, long live infobot (which is a backwards unfork of the blootbot code) |
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| 16:07.22 | Nyle | my last memory is about 2 years ago |
| 16:07.23 | dbmoodb | @bot |
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| 16:07.24 | ravenbird | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:07.28 | dbmoodb | ~bot |
| 16:07.30 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:07.30 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:07.30 | asg | themill: funky |
| 16:07.34 | Nyle | &bot |
| 16:07.35 | themill | asg: I think don (and others) have been trying to draw them back together for a while. |
| 16:07.40 | dbmoodb | etc. |
| 16:07.44 | asg | themill: I suspect you are right |
| 16:07.46 | Nyle | oh... no badgers |
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| 16:08.06 | dbmoodb | Nyle: ping an to ping for you ? |
| 16:08.14 | dbmoodb | give me * |
| 16:08.26 | SeveredCross | Hmm, looks like blootbot has merged back into Infobot. |
| 16:08.27 | Nyle | I'm sorry... come again? |
| 16:08.48 | dbmoodb | brb eating |
| 16:08.55 | simonrvn | SeveredCross: has been for months now |
| 16:08.58 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 16:09.08 | vchrizz | im trying to fsockopen() with php and get error 48 Link number out of range ... what in my system could cause that? using testing |
| 16:09.08 | SeveredCross | simonrvn: Yeah, I haven't been following the development of either. ;) |
| 16:09.21 | vchrizz | debian testing |
| 16:09.38 | Nyle | simonrvn, konqueror does not display the bottom toolbar thingy on facebook |
| 16:09.47 | Nyle | :( |
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| 16:10.02 | dbmoodb | Nyle: facebook doesn't dislay your private oh wait..... |
| 16:10.08 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 16:10.17 | Nyle | I wonder why |
| 16:10.28 | Nyle | what kinda coding it is |
| 16:10.41 | dbmoodb | its open now i think k |
| 16:10.54 | dbmoodb | --- google for it |
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| 16:11.14 | Nyle | thank you. |
| 16:12.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I disable the accessibility options of my keyboard? |
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| 16:12.38 | Nyle | controlled by DE config maybe? |
| 16:12.45 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, gnome or kde? |
| 16:12.51 | gonzaloaf | gnome |
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| 16:13.04 | Nyle | dunno nothing bout nome, but check out it gnome-control-center |
| 16:13.15 | dbmoodb | Nyle: don't tease |
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| 16:13.17 | verticalvoid | hey everyone, i'm trying to update my kernel, and i followed the basic instructions making kernel-package, etc., and i had a final package i created, named "linux-image-2.6.25_custom1.0_i386.deb" (i used the --initrd flag when i ran make-kpkg) , then i installed the package with dpkg, but then ... the kernel image wasn't placed in my /boot folder, what do i all need to do |
| 16:13.24 | Nyle | dbmoodb, tease? |
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| 16:13.39 | dbmoodb | go to prefs ... keyboard prefs / access one of those |
| 16:14.23 | dbmoodb | Nyle: there is gnome control centre is there Nyle ? |
| 16:14.33 | verticalvoid | my machine is running across the way ... on the family PC |
| 16:14.34 | Nyle | dbmoodb, I am having a hard time figuring out what you are saying to me :) |
| 16:14.41 | Nyle | dbmoodb, yes there is |
| 16:14.49 | Nyle | or at least there used to be in 2.8 |
| 16:15.02 | Nyle | !info gnome-control-center |
| 16:15.07 | dbmoodb | ?...... since when ah i think it has been removed |
| 16:15.15 | Nyle | oh it has? |
| 16:15.24 | dpkg | gnome-control-center: (utilities to configure the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.22.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 1284 kB |
| 16:15.30 | wols | verticalvoid: dpkg --contents <kernel deb> |
| 16:15.33 | Nyle | no its good |
| 16:15.38 | dbmoodb | yeah.... you know gnome.... oh ? an add on ? |
| 16:15.48 | Nyle | I used to use gnome a long time ago |
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| 16:16.00 | Nyle | before KDE 3.5 became good |
| 16:16.05 | dbmoodb | Nyle: i like is menus better |
| 16:16.11 | gonzaloaf | I have a problem with my keypad, it just stopped working in X sessions |
| 16:16.12 | Nyle | I love KDE :) |
| 16:16.13 | dbmoodb | its* |
| 16:16.25 | helo | what is required to set up a multicast address? |
| 16:16.28 | dbmoodb | gonzaloaf: on etc yeah ? |
| 16:16.57 | halflife08 | hello folks is there a way to reduce the size of a disk space of a kvm's instance ? i am running a windows instance on a centos box, i plan to move to it box running lenny, and would like to reduce the space i allocated for the instance , |
| 16:17.12 | gonzaloaf | dbmoodb, lenny |
| 16:17.22 | verticalvoid | wols, interesting, the contents flag shows that the image file is there |
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| 16:17.34 | Nyle | im getting ready to take another nap |
| 16:17.45 | Nyle | feelin ill. |
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| 16:19.09 | rox | verticalvoid: dpkg -L linux-image-`uname -r` | grep /boot |
| 16:19.53 | dbmoodb | num lock ? |
| 16:20.01 | Nyle | alias list='sudo dpkg -L' |
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| 16:20.53 | dbmoodb | what is the purpose of num lock anyway |
| 16:21.10 | Nyle | so you can use the keypad for navigation or for typing numbers |
| 16:21.15 | gonzaloaf | dbmoodb, is not the numlock key |
| 16:21.23 | rox | dbmoodb: to switch between number and arrow keys |
| 16:21.28 | Nyle | dbmoodb, wonder why the numpad has arrow keys? |
| 16:21.32 | Nyle | thts why |
| 16:21.33 | gonzaloaf | any other clue? |
| 16:21.49 | verticalvoid | aww hell, looking at my history i never installed the package! must've thought i was done after i built the package |
| 16:21.53 | gonzaloaf | my keypad works on a console |
| 16:22.01 | dbmoodb | rox on a laptop sure |
| 16:22.07 | gonzaloaf | it just stop working on X sessions |
| 16:22.19 | Nyle | queer indeed |
| 16:23.17 | Nyle | you said lenny right |
| 16:23.31 | Nyle | maybe check xserver-xorg-input-keyboard for bts/bugs |
| 16:23.41 | dbmoodb | its bullet proof x |
| 16:23.44 | wols | verticalvoid: full dpkg -i output |
| 16:24.02 | wols | gonzaloaf: you're the 2nd guy today with this problem |
| 16:24.41 | gonzaloaf | wols, no solutions yet? |
| 16:24.53 | wols | no |
| 16:25.13 | gonzaloaf | I found that, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482492, but I dont find this accessibility option |
| 16:25.24 | gonzaloaf | wols, so I'll be waiting |
| 16:25.26 | Nyle | !dbugs 482492 |
| 16:25.30 | dpkg | DONE:#482492:N[xserver-xorg-input-kbd] Numeric keypad not working; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:39:05 UTC |
| 16:26.18 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, I cant find the accessibility option this guy talk about |
| 16:27.19 | Nyle | what does your numpad do? |
| 16:27.33 | Nyle | does it move the mouse or not work at all, numlock light comes on/off or not? |
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| 16:28.11 | Nyle | that bug is not applicable to you |
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| 16:28.33 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, nothing... when the numlock led is on, it doent work, but when is off some keys have a weird functionality, but in both cases I cannot write the numbers o symbols |
| 16:28.50 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, in console launch xev |
| 16:28.57 | Nyle | then hit numpad keys |
| 16:28.59 | Nyle | watch console |
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| 16:29.09 | gonzaloaf | ? |
| 16:29.11 | Nyle | are the keys being registered at all? |
| 16:29.15 | fl4mi | Hi , I am useing smb4k to mount samba shares, but for some reason it cant mount shares that have a password , I get the error mount error=2 no such file ... WHen i try to mount by hand ( mount -t cifs .... ) it works flawlessly . what could be wrong ? Im running lenny |
| 16:29.17 | Nyle | upon keypress |
| 16:29.31 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, can you be more specific? |
| 16:29.39 | Nyle | !xev |
| 16:29.39 | dpkg | it has been said that xev is in the xbase-clients package |
| 16:29.50 | Nyle | install it, start xterm, type xev |
| 16:29.56 | Nyle | then hit numpad keys |
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| 16:29.59 | gonzaloaf | ok |
| 16:30.12 | Nyle | just wanna know if your keys are dead in X or not |
| 16:30.29 | Nyle | oh my stomach hurts |
| 16:30.30 | Nyle | goddamit. |
| 16:30.39 | Nyle | i hate hot wings last night :( |
| 16:31.18 | Nyle | er.. ate* |
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| 16:32.34 | ih2oi | I can't login to root with the KDM... is there a way to slap it into allowing such behavior. |
| 16:32.38 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, do I have to use xterm? or could be gnome-terminal? |
| 16:32.42 | Nyle | System/Preferences/Assistive Technologies/Keyboard Accessibility/Mouse Keys |
| 16:32.49 | Nyle | here is the accebility option btw |
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| 16:32.56 | Nyle | in gnome I think /me gogole it |
| 16:32.59 | rox | ih2oi: do not use X as root |
| 16:33.28 | ih2oi | rox: but it sounds so fun!! |
| 16:33.35 | pablo_ | hi, are the etc files of an app deleted when i purge it? id dont know why i have /etc/emacs if i have never installed it |
| 16:33.35 | rox | ih2oi: that would be almost as bad as using windows |
| 16:33.38 | Nyle | kdm does not allow root login |
| 16:33.47 | rox | pablo_: yes |
| 16:33.49 | Nyle | kdm needs to be set like so in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 16:33.54 | rox | pablo_: that's the point of --purge |
| 16:33.59 | Nyle | allow root login yes |
| 16:34.02 | Nyle | i think |
| 16:34.32 | ih2oi | I'm watching the best cartoon eve. |
| 16:34.37 | pablo_ | rox: right that is excelent, but dont know why for xample i have /etc/emacs if i have never installed it |
| 16:34.46 | helo | was there some kind of naming convention change, where /dev/ram no longer exists, instead replaced with /dev/ram? |
| 16:34.51 | Nyle | ih2oi, tomnjerry |
| 16:34.52 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:34.56 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, I started xev, and pressed "/", I showed that it captures it |
| 16:35.24 | rox | pablo_: perhaps a dependency pulled it |
| 16:35.24 | Nyle | hm ok |
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| 16:35.31 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, System/Preferences/Assistive Technologies/Keyboard Accessibility/Mouse Keys |
| 16:35.41 | ih2oi | Yup nyle. |
| 16:35.43 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, try here to turn off accesility option thingy maybe thats set |
| 16:35.46 | ih2oi | That is what I'm watching... good guess. |
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| 16:35.54 | Nyle | ih2oi, its the best cartoon ever. |
| 16:35.56 | Nyle | period. |
| 16:36.04 | ih2oi | I agree completely. |
| 16:36.06 | linuxpower1 | how can i go from stable to testing? |
| 16:36.17 | Nyle | but only the ones directed by Frank Gumble I think |
| 16:36.20 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, Oh yeah! |
| 16:36.26 | linuxpower1 | apt-get dist-upgrade, but dont i have to change the sources.list first? |
| 16:36.26 | Nyle | or whatever the name of the director back in the day was |
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| 16:36.32 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, you alright? |
| 16:36.34 | rox | linuxpower1: if you need to ask this question, then you shouldn't |
| 16:36.35 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, thanks man, but I never enabled this option |
| 16:36.44 | Nyle | you welcome bro |
| 16:36.53 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, yeah, everything is ok now |
| 16:36.58 | Nyle | glad |
| 16:37.01 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 16:37.06 | rox | linuxpower1: the straight answer would be point your sources to a testing repository, update and upgrade |
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| 16:37.30 | ih2oi | Nyle: KDE has a file manager thing that can open in sudo right? |
| 16:37.37 | Nyle | kdesudo |
| 16:37.48 | Nyle | don't use sudo for kde/X apps |
| 16:37.51 | defrysk | kdesu |
| 16:37.57 | Nyle | haha |
| 16:37.58 | linuxpower1 | rox-> cant i use the same repos and just change stable to testing in the repo lines? |
| 16:38.32 | defrysk | linuxpower1, yes |
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| 16:40.09 | rox | linuxpower1: that is another repository then |
| 16:40.10 | rox | linuxpower1: in most cases that would be sufficient |
| 16:40.10 | rox | linuxpower1: depends on how your mirror is configured. Maybe they only mirror stable |
| 16:40.21 | Nyle | p kdesudo - sudo frontend for KDE |
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| 16:40.28 | Nyle | friggin irc d/c me |
| 16:40.34 | Nyle | 50s lag |
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| 16:41.03 | asg | Nyle: that's just your perception of reality ... and the hot wings |
| 16:41.08 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 16:41.46 | linuxpower1 | rox-> defrysk it does not say stable or testing in the sources.list. would changing etch to lenny be correct? |
| 16:42.05 | defrysk | yes thats possible |
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| 16:42.49 | rox | linuxpower1: either would do, because the repos have those names symlinked in most cases |
| 16:42.59 | rox | linuxpower1: last time i checked at least |
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| 16:43.22 | defrysk | rox, testing is lenny now but not after its declared stable |
| 16:43.36 | defrysk | so its better to use lenny |
| 16:43.38 | rox | linuxpower1: you can check, point your web browser to where your sources are pointed at |
| 16:43.42 | defrysk | or safer |
| 16:44.10 | rox | defrysk: he wanted to go to testing, not to lenny |
| 16:44.11 | mot_ | can anybody help me figure out why i'm seeing this when running emacs? |
| 16:44.38 | mot_ | emacs Rider15bplow.pl |
| 16:44.38 | mot_ | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct |
| 16:44.38 | mot_ | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type |
| 16:44.38 | defrysk | rox, ok missed that bit |
| 16:44.38 | rox | defrysk: but you are right, there is a difference |
| 16:44.57 | defrysk | is farting around with experimental, installing kde4.4.1beta |
| 16:45.17 | rox | linuxpower1: if you point your sources to testing, you will allways stay on testing, if you point them to lenny, then you will remain on lenny when it gets released as stable |
| 16:45.17 | defrysk | wonders how that will look |
| 16:45.21 | asg | wonders how long before defrysk is back with brokeness |
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| 16:45.31 | ih2oi | i need a hair cut... |
| 16:45.38 | defrysk | asg, why brokenness? |
| 16:45.47 | mot_ | anybody?? |
| 16:45.51 | asg | defrysk: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 16:45.51 | defrysk | only install kde files and related |
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| 16:46.14 | defrysk | asg, i am not a dummy |
| 16:46.46 | defrysk | asg, and someona has to file bugs right ? |
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| 16:46.59 | asg | defrysk: one files bugs from packages in sid, not experimental. |
| 16:47.02 | Nyle | man kde is lookin sweet |
| 16:47.04 | helo | its been 6 months since i had a haircut lol |
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| 16:47.09 | fiendishfish | Hello,none of my X hotkeys work, sucha s switch to the console, switch to the other xsession etc, and I have no clue why... |
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| 16:47.21 | Nyle | helo, awesome |
| 16:47.29 | Nyle | helo, get trimmed through keep it neat |
| 16:47.34 | Nyle | I like long hair but neat |
| 16:47.41 | jelly | fiendishfish: does "chvt 1" run as root work? |
| 16:47.57 | Nyle | used to have dreds for a year, down to my shoulders, before i had hair to my stomach (metal head you know, younger days) |
| 16:48.04 | linuxpower1 | executes a %s/etch/lenny/g in vim sources.list |
| 16:48.12 | fiendishfish | jelly, hmm, yes and switching back with ctrl alt f7 worked |
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| 16:48.27 | jelly | fiendishfish: just a guess, you wouldn't be using xfce would you? |
| 16:48.30 | fiendishfish | Nope. |
| 16:48.33 | fiendishfish | Fluxbox. |
| 16:48.38 | jelly | ok. |
| 16:48.39 | fiendishfish | I'll check my hotkeys for flux a minute. |
| 16:48.39 | mot_ | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type |
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| 16:48.57 | lindenle | Has anyone ever used ldap to store hosts i.e. names, macs and ip...I am thinking of something where I can generate my firewall rules dynamically from the database entries ... comments? |
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| 16:50.02 | jelly | fiendishfish: I was ready to blame xfce, but you kinda ruined it |
| 16:50.02 | fiendishfish | Heh,. |
| 16:50.02 | defrysk | brb in kde 4.4.1 beta ;) |
| 16:50.02 | ih2oi | 4e D&D is out... |
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| 16:50.02 | rox | jelly: why would you blame xfce? |
| 16:50.02 | nabcore | Aplogies for the basic nature of the question, but what does "rc" mean next to a package name in the dkpg --list output? |
| 16:50.03 | jelly | rox: because it does that to me |
| 16:50.20 | rox | jelly: it did get kinda moody lately, didn't it? |
| 16:50.25 | jelly | rox: gdm login time, ctrl-alt-f1 works. After logging in, it doesn't |
| 16:50.25 | DargusK | lindenle: I don't know if that would work, but it seems that it would be easier to use a MySQL or Postgres database instead |
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| 16:50.39 | somedude | i just installed etch |
| 16:50.41 | rox | jelly: i'm in the process of transitioning all my desktops from xfce to dwm |
| 16:50.44 | somedude | i don't have sound |
| 16:50.58 | jelly | rox: Devastatinglyefficient WM? |
| 16:51.19 | fiendishfish | jelly, going from the shell back to my session works |
| 16:51.20 | jelly | !tell somedude -about alsa checklist |
| 16:51.21 | lindenle | DargusK: that was my first idea but i am already using ldap and thought it might be just as simple to implement that way, i noticed that nis chema has such entries already...of course I am not an ldap expert |
| 16:51.22 | fiendishfish | but not the other way around |
| 16:51.32 | jelly | fiendishfish: that's normal. |
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| 16:51.42 | Nyle | do you guys know of a good imagepaste site? |
| 16:51.45 | Nyle | pastebin for images |
| 16:51.54 | rox | jelly: dynamic, but yes, efficient too |
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| 16:52.05 | jelly | Nyle: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:52.19 | fiendishfish | jelly, :o I thought ctrl alt F1 was to change to the shell |
| 16:52.38 | jelly | fiendishfish: no. it's "change to virtual console 1" |
| 16:52.38 | DargusK | Lindenle: I didn't know that NIS schema had those fields. It could work, but I'm not an LDAP or scripting expert either :S |
| 16:52.52 | jelly | fiendishfish: you could as well have another X running there |
| 16:52.55 | rox | fiendishfish: if you have an X session running there, then you change to X |
| 16:53.07 | fiendishfish | Why won't it change to the 'virtual console 1' then ? |
| 16:53.11 | Nyle | i found one |
| 16:53.14 | lindenle | DargusK: attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.1.1.1.22 NAME 'macAddress' |
| 16:53.14 | stew | jelly: iirc dwm stands for "i'm rewriting wmii-3, but i can't remember why" |
| 16:53.22 | cromag | i am using ipw2200 for wireless, and it worked fine yesterday with encryption, now i can not connect to anything encrypted. I have tried removing key from the keyring, enabling/disabling of NIC's. How would i troubleshoot ? |
| 16:53.33 | Nyle | themill, hey bro check this out http://www.imagebam.com/image/2b6d1b7540296 |
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| 16:53.43 | jelly | fiendishfish: because something in your X session overrides the default keybinding |
| 16:53.51 | Nyle | jelly, oh nice, i didn't know the pastebin factoid updated |
| 16:54.00 | DargusK | lindenle: Huh. What implementation of LDAP are you using? |
| 16:54.03 | Nyle | picpaste.com |
| 16:54.17 | lindenle | DargusK: openldap slapd I think |
| 16:54.21 | somedude | ok that was easy |
| 16:54.22 | somedude | haha |
| 16:54.23 | somedude | thanks |
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| 16:54.31 | jelly | Nyle: yeah, there are crazy people that go around and refresh factoids at times |
| 16:54.34 | fiendishfish | jelly, Apart from my fluxbox thing, what else has keyboard bindings? |
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| 16:54.46 | Nyle | jelly, here I thought it was closet gnomes. |
| 16:54.51 | Nyle | heh |
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| 16:54.53 | jelly | fiendishfish: no idea. I'm going to ask #xorg |
| 16:55.02 | DargusK | Nyle: it's always the closet gnomes |
| 16:55.35 | jelly | Nyle: as long as they stay in the closet, I'm ok with it. Not that I have anything about gnomes that come out. |
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| 16:55.42 | Nyle | I took a random desktop screenshot, check it out http://www.imagebam.com/image/2b6d1b7540296 |
| 16:55.42 | jelly | Or gnomes in particular. |
| 16:55.52 | Nyle | jelly, ohhh nice one |
| 16:55.58 | Nyle | jelly 1 nyle 0 |
| 16:56.02 | Nyle | enjoy :) |
| 16:56.09 | jelly | Or any other D&D or WoW race. |
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| 16:56.31 | Nyle | jelly, wait |
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| 16:56.51 | Nyle | i think i understand you saying you dislike wow and dnd? |
| 16:56.56 | Nyle | or that you like it? |
| 16:57.29 | Nyle | likes DnD only, not wow |
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| 16:57.58 | Nyle | the only dnd i like is SNES game called eye of the beholder |
| 16:58.04 | jelly | Nyle: you're such a drag. n drop. |
| 16:58.07 | fiendishfish | jelly, any luck? |
| 16:58.09 | Nyle | heh |
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| 16:58.16 | Nyle | again nice one |
| 16:58.21 | Nyle | jelly 2 |
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| 16:58.28 | DargusK | Lindenle: For scripting it, it will be much easier to use the SQL servers. I imagine it's possible to use LDAP, but probably not as easy |
| 16:58.32 | Nyle | heh yer a tool :) |
| 16:58.33 | jelly | fiendishfish: lemme wait a couple hours for #xorg to wake up, and I'll be right with you. |
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| 16:59.30 | Nyle | hey how come there are so many fish nicknames |
| 16:59.39 | jelly | is not a fish. |
| 16:59.40 | Nyle | like jellyfish, thingfish, now fiendishfish |
| 16:59.46 | Nyle | I think I saw a jellyfish in here |
| 16:59.47 | DargusK | We're catching the crappies :P |
| 17:00.02 | jelly | Nyle: it's like a fishtank of Debian. |
| 17:00.12 | Nyle | I like fishies |
| 17:00.12 | Nyle | cute. |
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| 17:02.03 | fiendishfish | Nyle, I can't imagine you like fiendish ones. |
| 17:02.46 | Nyle | don't matter tome dude, I'm human. I'm on top of the food chain |
| 17:03.08 | Nyle | fiendish or nice, its all the same |
| 17:03.40 | ih2oi | Nyle: On a scale from 1 to 10 how full of Pwnage are you? |
| 17:03.43 | fiendishfish | Eww Nyle, you use konqueror as a browser? |
| 17:04.01 | Nyle | ih2oi, 11 |
| 17:04.27 | Nyle | fiendishfish, yessir |
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| 17:04.29 | ih2oi | Nyle: and your level of homosexuality? |
| 17:04.43 | Nyle | ih2oi, extremely gay. |
| 17:05.01 | ih2oi | You win the grand prize!!! |
| 17:05.04 | Nyle | thanks |
| 17:05.20 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I would use iceweasel but... it sucks |
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| 17:05.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:05.25 | Nyle | j/k |
| 17:05.48 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I like konqueror, it does render pages faster than any other browser on linux that I've tested |
| 17:06.04 | ih2oi | I should actually fix that stupid file so grub loads my xp install. |
| 17:06.06 | ih2oi | But I'm lazy. |
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| 17:06.13 | Nyle | fiendishfish, also its a part of kde and is better than firefox in most regards. I have FF/iceweasel for when khtml can't render a page |
| 17:06.27 | Nyle | ih2oi, did update-grub not generate an entry for you |
| 17:06.32 | ih2oi | Nope. |
| 17:06.39 | fiendishfish | Nyle, >_< Konqueror sucks |
| 17:06.45 | ih2oi | and i've been too lazy to manually plop it in. |
| 17:06.48 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I've been told that |
| 17:06.55 | Nyle | ih2oi, its only 4 lines, very trivial... |
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| 17:07.13 | ih2oi | Yeaaah I know. >_< |
| 17:07.13 | Nyle | ih2oi, you mean if you have to look up the syntax and how to, its all on the google anyway |
| 17:07.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:07.17 | fiendishfish | Hmm, I've got to get around to buying 20mb Internet guise. |
| 17:07.23 | ih2oi | I have the syntax |
| 17:07.31 | fiendishfish | http://4chan.or |
| 17:07.34 | fiendishfish | oops ww |
| 17:07.39 | Nyle | actually its also in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 17:07.39 | Nyle | I think |
| 17:07.57 | Nyle | dpkg -L grub|grep doc |
| 17:07.57 | dpkg | ii grub|grep doc 2.1-15 nyle's private gamp collection |
| 17:08.02 | Nyle | um. |
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| 17:09.01 | Nyle | drinks sprite |
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| 17:14.37 | ih2oi | Eww am I laggy. |
| 17:14.47 | DargusK | it got very quiet at the mention of sprite.... |
| 17:14.48 | liable | which package calls upgate-grub at kernel install? |
| 17:15.21 | Nyle | grub post install I believe ? |
| 17:15.21 | asg | liable: the kernel package itself iirc, check the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<kp>.postinst |
| 17:15.32 | Nyle | oh kp post inst |
| 17:15.42 | Nyle | oh yeh thats right |
| 17:15.51 | Nyle | because also on each new kernel image install it does that |
| 17:16.18 | liable | hmm, this install was really baulked. i had to do all sorts of shit to get it working (6 months ago) and i never have update-grub run after kernel installs |
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| 17:16.32 | pablo | hi, should i report this? Jun 9 14:14:00 debian kernel: gnome-keyring-d[2506]: segfault at 00000011 eip 00000011 esp bfeab7ec error 4 |
| 17:16.35 | liable | its only just now really started to shit me, and i cant work it out |
| 17:16.36 | Nyle | hmm |
| 17:16.38 | Nyle | it runs here all the time heh |
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| 17:17.33 | liable | tries a postinst with -x |
| 17:17.35 | DargusK | pablo: Most likely. What were you doing when it happened? |
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| 17:18.18 | pablo | DargusK: mm browsing the web |
| 17:18.41 | stew | liable: /etc/kernel-img.conf should contain update-grub inte postinst / postrm hooks so that the linux-image package will run update-grub from postinst/postrm |
| 17:19.23 | DargusK | pablo: see if you can duplicate it. If you can, report how to duplicate it in the bug report. |
| 17:19.47 | jelly | pablo: it's just a segfault. |
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| 17:20.25 | jay12 | im installing debian etch, and the instlal has froze at 50% installing grub to mbr |
| 17:20.43 | DargusK | jay12: how old is the hard drive? |
| 17:21.10 | jay12 | I dont know, but its not 100% |
| 17:21.23 | jay12 | anyways, is it safe to just reboot now |
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| 17:21.33 | jay12 | I assume the system is properly installed |
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| 17:21.41 | DargusK | Jay12: it's not |
| 17:21.41 | liable | stew: which package autogenerates that file, do you know? |
| 17:21.43 | jay12 | I can use a livecd to boot instead of mbr |
| 17:22.02 | DargusK | jay12: well, it is, except for the bootloader |
| 17:22.10 | jay12 | ok, then it's fine. |
| 17:22.19 | defrysk | jay12, maybe your live cd has a fix option for grub |
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| 17:22.23 | DargusK | jay12: spoke before I thought |
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| 17:23.11 | DargusK | jay12, but yes, you should definitelty fix that Grub -> MBR problem |
| 17:23.13 | stew | liable: i dunno |
| 17:23.31 | liable | me neither |
| 17:23.44 | jay12 | DargusK: as I said,t he disk isn't 100% |
| 17:23.48 | linuxpower1 | is it possible to do a net install from a bootable flash drive? |
| 17:23.51 | jay12 | MBR is probably broken |
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| 17:24.00 | stew | linuxpower1: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 17:25.00 | kenjy | hi guys, my source.list just have the main option in the repositories, can I add the option non-free and multiverse? |
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| 17:25.11 | fr00g | when i cat /proc/stat, are these amouts cumulated anyhow? |
| 17:25.13 | fr00g | (i mean these in the first line i.e cpu 10827 0 1473 1001156) |
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| 17:25.21 | wols | there is no multiverse. what debian do you run kenjy? |
| 17:25.30 | kenjy | wols: debian etch |
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| 17:25.56 | wols | kenjy: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:25.56 | kenjy | wols: is there a non-free ? |
| 17:26.04 | solj | i'm getting a "No root file system" error on a lenny install before any partitioning menus appear |
| 17:26.06 | kenjy | wols: ok |
| 17:26.08 | DargusK | kenjy: multiverse is Ubuntu and derivatives |
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| 17:26.25 | DargusK | kenjy: however, there is a contrib one, too |
| 17:26.34 | BubbaT | Hans! SAY IT AINT SO! |
| 17:26.39 | wols | use the etch installer. also what hdd controller do you use? |
| 17:26.53 | stew | BubbaT: wrong channel |
| 17:26.54 | kenjy | wols: ok I should add contrib and non-free ? |
| 17:27.04 | stew | kenjy: that's up to you |
| 17:27.05 | Bushmills | kenjy: you may want to add contrib |
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| 17:27.29 | BubbaT | stew, why is it the wrong channel? |
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| 17:27.43 | stew | BubbaT: do you have ao debian related question? |
| 17:27.44 | wols | BubbaT: cause it's not debian related and OT? |
| 17:27.59 | asg | besides, this isn't #die-hard |
| 17:28.14 | kenjy | Bushmills: I don't understand the non-free, the bot said that its software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, but is it disponible if I just add non-free? or I need to add a special repository? |
| 17:28.50 | Bushmills | kenjy: the bis is right |
| 17:28.51 | wols | kenjy: what do you want from non-free? |
| 17:28.54 | Bushmills | grr |
| 17:28.56 | Bushmills | the bot ... |
| 17:29.12 | kenjy | wols: I just wanna have more packages disponible |
| 17:29.15 | BubbaT | Well I don't use Reiserfs anyway... OK so debian question. |
| 17:29.31 | Bushmills | kenjy: that's why non-free is your choice |
| 17:29.33 | wols | kenjy: that's no reason in itself |
| 17:29.42 | stew | kenjy: the repositories that carry main, also carry contrib and non-free, you don't have to add a different repository |
| 17:29.58 | BubbaT | I'm running lenny with an amd64 architecture. How do I get a java web start for version 5 or 6 up and running? |
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| 17:30.13 | wols | BubbaT: 32bit chroot |
| 17:30.33 | enouf | disponible? |
| 17:30.38 | stew | you don't need a 32bit chroot for javaws |
| 17:30.40 | wols | possibly the 32bit plugin support thing for 63bit ffox |
| 17:30.43 | stew | enouf: it means available in french |
| 17:30.51 | enouf | ahh. |
| 17:31.02 | kenjy | tnks stew |
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| 17:31.15 | Bushmills | kenjy: some businesses, for example, don't want non-free as it requires them to study the licenses of program in there. the main and contrib are usable with the same license applying to all their programs |
| 17:31.24 | Bushmills | of each program. |
| 17:31.59 | Bushmills | so it's up to you, whether your run debian in an environment where license may matter |
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| 17:32.56 | stew | BubbaT: the ia32-sun-java{5,6}-bin pacakges have javaws |
| 17:33.35 | stew | BubbaT: you can use "update-alternatives --config javaws" to choose between them if you have multiple implementations installed |
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| 17:34.04 | enouf | kenjy: if you want an extra multimedia repo do; /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 17:34.15 | kenjy | tnks enouf |
| 17:34.26 | norbert_ | hi, if I see a Silverlight stream on a webpage, will I be able to stream it if I install some kind of Silverlight Mono version or something else? |
| 17:34.54 | DargusK | Norbert_: I believe the Linux port of Silverlight is called Moonlight |
| 17:35.13 | DargusK | Norbert_: but I could be wrong :S |
| 17:35.15 | enouf | New amerikan beer? |
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| 17:36.01 | DargusK | Norbert_: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ |
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| 17:37.34 | BubbaT | You need to install mono to use it. |
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| 17:38.24 | defrysk | norbert_, nos sport ? |
| 17:38.30 | DargusK | Also, doesn't have audio/video support yet either |
| 17:38.37 | norbert_ | defrysk: yes |
| 17:38.44 | defrysk | norbert_, wont work |
| 17:38.56 | norbert_ | defrysk: because of the DRM? |
| 17:39.07 | defrysk | its encrypted |
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| 17:39.11 | defrysk | yes |
| 17:39.26 | defrysk | wmv also is encrypted |
| 17:39.35 | defrysk | bastards |
| 17:39.45 | defrysk | and stupid nos to fall for that shit |
| 17:39.47 | kenjy | guys its firefox in non-free? (no iceweseal) |
| 17:39.47 | norbert_ | yeah, but the NOS is the Dutch Broadcasting Foundation, the stream is supposed to be freely available for all Dutch people, because it's from government money |
| 17:40.18 | DargusK | Doesn't mean it has to support non-Microsoft operating systems |
| 17:40.24 | defrysk | norbert_, call nelie kroes |
| 17:40.26 | norbert_ | how come Windows players will be able to play it? |
| 17:40.48 | norbert_ | how do those programs know how to decrypt it? |
| 17:41.14 | norbert_ | defrysk: I will send letters to all political parties, yes |
| 17:41.31 | defrysk | norbert_, make sure to write the sp they know linux |
| 17:41.48 | maligor | they should just block access by default and allow isps to register support for viewing the streams if they're paranoid |
| 17:41.55 | maligor | stupid encryption |
| 17:41.59 | DargusK | norbert_, proprietary program. The broadcaster uses the MS SDK for WMV to encode the video. They don't see the code for the encryption. |
| 17:42.03 | kenjy | stew and wolf: its firefox in non-free? or I just can select iceweseal from the debian repos? |
| 17:42.05 | defrysk | its ignorance |
| 17:42.06 | liable | stupid grub |
| 17:42.10 | defrysk | lack of intrest |
| 17:42.15 | stew | kenjy: firefox is not in non-free |
| 17:42.22 | norbert_ | DargusK: right, ok |
| 17:42.39 | kenjy | stew: the only way to have firefox its from a external source? |
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| 17:42.46 | stew | kenjy: is there some reason you would want firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 17:42.50 | stew | kenjy: afaik yes |
| 17:42.58 | DargusK | kenjy: Firefox is not in any debian repositories. You have to use iceweasel or get the binaries. |
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| 17:43.28 | kenjy | stew: shure, my boss trust firefox and he don't understand the logo issue, he just wan't firefox |
| 17:43.41 | defrysk | kenjy, http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3364701970.html |
| 17:44.03 | Bushmills | norbert_: you can ask your tax payer money back. mention the word "wanprestatie" :) |
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| 17:44.03 | DargusK | kenjy: matter of fact, if you apt-get install firefox, you get iceweasel anyway with a symlink called firefox to iceweasel |
| 17:44.03 | norbert_ | Bushmills: hehe :) |
| 17:44.08 | stew | kenjy: its not just the logo issues, its security support |
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| 17:44.42 | maligor | kenjy, you can for personal systems grab the firefox logos and brand it yourself with diverts I guess |
| 17:45.05 | maligor | bit silly tho |
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| 17:45.22 | DargusK | maligor: sounds like it's for a business |
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| 17:45.52 | maligor | hard to say what legal ramifications that would have, heh |
| 17:46.00 | somedude | how can you do a recursive get with sftp |
| 17:46.05 | stew | maligor: none as long as it is not being redistributed |
| 17:46.10 | norbert_ | defrysk: so... we're fucked then |
| 17:46.19 | norbert_ | defrysk: you also only run Linux? |
| 17:46.27 | norbert_ | defrysk: I don't even have a tv, haven't had one for years |
| 17:46.29 | \amethyst | stew: isn't copying it from one corporate machine to another 'redistribution'? |
| 17:46.37 | helo | what is a good system imaging/reimaging tool? |
| 17:46.44 | Bushmills | norbert_: you still have one hour ... |
| 17:46.44 | helo | for pxe... |
| 17:47.10 | norbert_ | Bushmills: to, visit friends, neh... the EK is not that important :P |
| 17:47.16 | DargusK | helo: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:47.35 | Nyle | DargusK, /msg dpkg wayttd :) |
| 17:47.42 | norbert_ | Bushmills: just thought I'd have it running in a corner of the screen, but I guess I'll listen to the sound now, there are radio streams that'll work |
| 17:47.52 | defrysk | norbert_, if it does not work on linux tough luck |
| 17:47.54 | norbert_ | defrysk: radio dan maar |
| 17:47.55 | helo | DargusK: make a copy of an install so it can be copied onto other machines easily |
| 17:47.59 | helo | via pxe boot |
| 17:48.16 | eSa| | who wants to be geek today? http://lwn.net/Articles/285377/rss |
| 17:48.59 | defrysk | norbert_, they probably use ms tech to make sure the stream only works in holland and you know what thet means |
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| 17:49.04 | stew | \amethyst: the license doesn't make that clear |
| 17:49.11 | helo | i was using systemimager, but the kernel it comes wiht doesn't support my network card, forcing me to use my own kernel/initrd, which breaks the imaging scripts :/ |
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| 17:49.37 | Nyle | eSa|, what you mean 'today'? ;) |
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| 17:50.08 | Bushmills | helo: can't you just compile and load the required module? kernel doesn't need nic support compiled in |
| 17:50.08 | helo | DargusK: any recommendations? |
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| 17:50.55 | Bushmills | unless diskless system with root over nfs |
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| 17:51.01 | DargusK | helo: I can't think of any "Imaging" software, however, I do know that an autoinstall CD CAN be created. I don't have the website handy for it, though :( |
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| 17:52.28 | helo | i did compile and load the module |
| 17:52.32 | somedude | how can you do a recursive get with sftp |
| 17:53.08 | solj | helo: pxe + preseed works pretty well |
| 17:54.02 | DargusK | somedude: you can't. You have to use SCP. http://www.cae.wisc.edu/site/public/?title=linux-sftp |
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| 17:54.51 | DargusK | helo: I'm not entirely sure. Sorry. I haven't played with imaging nearly enough yet, at least not for debian boxes. |
| 17:55.12 | Bushmills | somedude: mount with sshfs, then you can use recursive cp on it |
| 17:55.24 | Bushmills | or shfs, your choice |
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| 17:57.29 | matisse | hi, i would like to unpack an rpm-file. i just found the tool rpm2cpio is existing, but its not found in the package database. do you know another tool for that task ? |
| 17:57.44 | justin | matisse: alien |
| 17:58.08 | matisse | isnt that for installing rpms ? |
| 17:58.25 | \amethyst | matisse: alien can convert to a tar.gz too |
| 17:58.28 | wols | matisse: no |
| 17:58.33 | matisse | ok, thx |
| 17:58.39 | wols | only rpm is for installing rpms |
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| 17:58.43 | DargusK | is away: Installing XP for my All Windows Boss |
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| 17:58.50 | stew | matisse: rpm2cpio is in the rpm package |
| 17:58.56 | wols | !tell DargusK about away |
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| 18:01.30 | smallfoot- | how i can sync my time? |
| 18:01.52 | \amethyst | smallfoot-: install the package 'ntp' |
| 18:02.13 | smallfoot- | \amethyst, how use? |
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| 18:02.39 | \amethyst | smallfoot-: when you install it, it will run as a daemon and keep the time in sync |
| 18:03.19 | Bushmills | smallfoot-: lenny or etch? |
| 18:03.40 | \amethyst | smallfoot-: you shouldn't need to do anything after that |
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| 18:04.15 | \amethyst | smallfoot-: if your clock is very far off, you might need to add -g to /etc/default/ntp but I think that setting is there by default |
| 18:04.31 | smallfoot- | Bushmills, ubuntu 8.04 |
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| 18:04.51 | Bushmills | your one of those unable to read? |
| 18:05.05 | smallfoot- | evil menz ban me from #ubuntu :( |
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| 18:05.20 | ay^ | why? |
| 18:05.36 | Eulex | that's not an excuse to ask in #debian, where it is off topic |
| 18:05.46 | jerome187 | anyone know why I can't send email with php on my debian box? same code works fine on other linux boxes |
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| 18:05.58 | wols | Eulex: he already got banned there. are you surprised about a little more bad behaviour? |
| 18:06.10 | wols | jerome187: the logs will set you free |
| 18:06.14 | Eulex | actually, no |
| 18:06.21 | wols | jerome187: and no one can without more infomration |
| 18:06.28 | smallfoot- | ay^, they're playa haters |
| 18:06.36 | smallfoot- | Eulex, i heard ubuntu and debian is almost same |
| 18:06.44 | Bushmills | who told you that? |
| 18:06.57 | wols | smallfoot-: whoever told you that lied. and we don't support ubuntu |
| 18:07.00 | smallfoot- | idk, they said Ubuntu was based on debian |
| 18:07.03 | Eulex | jerome187, do you have a properly configured mta? |
| 18:07.06 | hoxu | !not supporting smallfoots |
| 18:07.06 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support smallfoots too. Try #smallfoots or donating money to charity. |
| 18:07.11 | stew | smallfoot-: ubuntu is off-topic here. sorry. |
| 18:07.14 | smallfoot- | do you think ubuntu are assholes? |
| 18:07.33 | stew | smallfoot-: we dont' want to discuss it here. |
| 18:07.46 | smallfoot- | do you think ubuntu are assholes who steal all your hard work, get all the fame and chicks, and put proprietary blobs and drivers? |
| 18:07.47 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 18:07.51 | stew | smallfoot-: drop it |
| 18:07.54 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 18:07.55 | jerome187 | just a couple of errors about no favicon in the log |
| 18:07.57 | NthDegree | excuse me |
| 18:07.58 | hoxu | smallfoot-, go trolling everywhere |
| 18:08.00 | smallfoot- | where i can discuss your opinion about ubuntu |
| 18:08.02 | NthDegree | takes the bait |
| 18:08.03 | astra | Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 18:08.03 | NthDegree | >.> |
| 18:08.09 | astra | any idea for this? |
| 18:08.10 | NthDegree | smallfoot-, #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 18:08.11 | NthDegree | try that |
| 18:08.12 | hoxu | *elsewhere |
| 18:08.14 | hoxu | -_- |
| 18:08.15 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 18:08.21 | smallfoot- | im banned fromthere too lol |
| 18:08.23 | smallfoot- | (surprise!) |
| 18:08.31 | hoxu | smallfoot-, #debian-offtopic then, you can discuss with elky |
| 18:08.38 | smallfoot- | is ther any way to make ntp go and update time now? |
| 18:08.44 | stew | smallfoot-: wrong channel |
| 18:08.49 | smallfoot- | thanks |
| 18:09.08 | astra | anybody lol? |
| 18:09.09 | ay^ | glhf |
| 18:09.11 | ay^ | :) |
| 18:09.11 | \amethyst | smallfoot-: that's what ntpdate does, though as I understand it ntpdate is deprecated in Debian |
| 18:09.35 | Daviey | \amethyst: and it's turned into? |
| 18:10.06 | Bushmills | Daviey: chronyc should be an equivalent |
| 18:10.10 | jerome187 | is there a php error log? I'm just looking at whats in /var/log/apache2/mydomain.com-error.log |
| 18:10.28 | smallfoot- | ntpdate killed my audio lol |
| 18:10.29 | stew | jerome187: check /var/log/mail.log ; perhaps your MTA is not configured to send outgoing email |
| 18:10.32 | NthDegree | btw smallfoot- I agree Ubuntu are assholes... but for making the default theme brown.. nothing else they are great otherwise :P |
| 18:10.39 | stew | NthDegree: drop it |
| 18:10.41 | smallfoot- | NthDegree, ok |
| 18:10.47 | NthDegree | stew, I was joking.. relax |
| 18:11.07 | \amethyst | Daviey: ah, sorry, only installing both ntp and ntpdate at the same time is deprecated |
| 18:11.08 | jerome187 | ahh there it is |
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| 18:11.26 | jerome187 | sh: sendmail: command not found |
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| 18:11.27 | Bushmills | is ntp back in lenny now? |
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| 18:11.54 | \amethyst | Bushmills: it appears not |
| 18:11.58 | stew | jerome187: you should install exim4 or postfix (or some other MTA if there is one you are more familiar with) |
| 18:12.10 | Bushmills | \amethyst: that's why i ask for branch before pointing to ntp |
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| 18:13.01 | jerome187 | exim4 is installed |
| 18:13.14 | stew | jerome187: you just installed it or it was already installed? |
| 18:13.18 | wols | jerome187: is it actually working and properly configured too? |
| 18:13.25 | jerome187 | already installed |
| 18:13.26 | Nyle | !webcam |
| 18:13.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
| 18:14.00 | stew | jerome187: does /usr/sbin/sendmail exist? |
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| 18:14.55 | Nyle | Bus 007 Device 003: ID 046d:092e Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat |
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| 18:15.44 | Nyle | gspca I see |
| 18:15.48 | jerome187 | stew: yes |
| 18:15.56 | Nyle | or qc driver |
| 18:16.21 | Nyle | !info qcam sid |
| 18:16.26 | dpkg | qcam: (QuickCam image grabber), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.91-12 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 18:16.31 | Nyle | dude it works. |
| 18:16.34 | stew | jerome187: then you should figure out where the "sh: sendmail: command not found" is coming from. perhaps whatever it is needs to be pointed directly at /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 18:16.57 | JarJarBinks | is there a more sexy way (elegant / simple) to get the pid of the application xmove owned by $USER |
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| 18:17.08 | JarJarBinks | then: ps -C xmove -o pid=,user= | grep $USER | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 18:17.26 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: pgrep |
| 18:17.33 | \amethyst | jerome187: does /usr/lib/sendmail exist as a link to ../sbin/sendmail ? |
| 18:17.37 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, pidof |
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| 18:17.52 | Nyle | no color support in qcam driver... |
| 18:17.55 | JarJarBinks | ahh :) thanks guys |
| 18:18.03 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, sorry, that doesn't do users I'm afraid |
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| 18:18.07 | Nyle | !hcl |
| 18:18.07 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 18:18.13 | \amethyst | jerome187: AIUI debian packages should be using /usr/sbin/sendmail, but some legacy programs might use /usr/lib/sendmail instead |
| 18:18.18 | Nyle | oh my bad /me uses /msg |
| 18:18.56 | JarJarBinks | envy the nick of Bushmills |
| 18:19.06 | jerome187 | apt-get install sendmail-bin fixed it :) php does not like exim4 |
| 18:19.16 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: want to buy it? |
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| 18:19.55 | JarJarBinks | lol ... I like the bottles more than the irc nick ... but I guess you get a few less negative responses than a guy called JarJar |
| 18:20.00 | Nyle | ok I see that there is a driver for quickcam chat camera that supports color but i cant find it in debian |
| 18:20.08 | Nyle | do you guys know the proper driver to use? |
| 18:20.14 | Nyle | Bus 007 Device 003: ID 046d:092e Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat |
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| 18:20.41 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: can't compare |
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| 18:20.59 | Nyle | oh gspca in debian |
| 18:21.01 | Nyle | nm I found it |
| 18:21.09 | \amethyst | Nyle: found something that said spca5xx plus a patch |
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| 18:22.09 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how can i get my microsoft quickcam working under Linux? |
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| 18:23.04 | wols | TiMiDo: you first check with lsusb its ID and then you google |
| 18:23.23 | TiMiDo | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter |
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| 18:23.54 | Nyle | \amethyst, thanks buddy |
| 18:24.04 | Nyle | \amethyst, where at let me see |
| 18:24.06 | enouf | TiMiDo: maybe gl620a |
| 18:24.20 | \amethyst | Nyle: http://boundingbox.homelinux.net/blog/?p=44 |
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| 18:24.34 | TiMiDo | enouf: nothing |
| 18:24.40 | TiMiDo | Aaron@Tango:~$ sudo qcam |
| 18:24.40 | TiMiDo | Qcam not found |
| 18:24.41 | TiMiDo | Cannot open QuickCam; exiting. |
| 18:24.45 | stew | TiMiDo: grep "05e3.*0702" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules* |
| 18:24.52 | enouf | wait aminute usb-storage 0x000f 0x05e3 0x0702 |
| 18:24.55 | BW^- | is there any way to install debian onto a laptop running windows, except booting with a CD or running via NTFS? (don |
| 18:24.57 | \amethyst | Nyle: I think you can probably do better with module-assistant instead of make; make install though :) |
| 18:24.59 | stew | TiMiDo: though i doubt that your quickcam is also a IDE adapter |
| 18:25.00 | TiMiDo | /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/modules.usbmap:usb-storage 0x000f 0x05e3 0x0702 0x0000 0xffff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0 |
| 18:25.04 | BW^- | 't have a CD drive, ntfs debian installation doesn't work.) |
| 18:25.07 | Nyle | \amethyst, of course :) |
| 18:25.09 | Nyle | m-a ftw |
| 18:25.24 | BW^- | also, vmware doesn't work on this machine, though virtualbox works, but that can't access the disk directly. |
| 18:25.56 | TiMiDo | stew: any ideas? |
| 18:26.23 | stew | TiMiDo: figure out the vendorid:deviceid (like 05e3:0702, but the one for your camera, not for your usb drive) |
| 18:26.42 | Nyle | !info gspca-modules sid |
| 18:26.44 | enouf | modprobe usb_storage - what you showed seems like a USB IDE PCI Card |
| 18:26.50 | TiMiDo | stew: how? |
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| 18:27.14 | TiMiDo | usb 1-2: SN9C105 PC Camera Controller detected (vid:pid 0x045E:0x00F5) |
| 18:27.20 | TiMiDo | Colour QuickCam for Video4Linux v0.05 |
| 18:27.20 | TiMiDo | usbcore: registered new interface driver gl620a |
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| 18:27.30 | wols | TiMiDo: an IDE adapter is not a webcam |
| 18:27.36 | TiMiDo | it is, |
| 18:27.51 | wols | BS |
| 18:28.02 | wols | do you have a usb disk? |
| 18:28.30 | linuxpower1 | interesting: apt-get is install apt and apt-utils |
| 18:28.41 | TiMiDo | wols: yes i do |
| 18:28.41 | linuxpower1 | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 18:28.42 | linuxpower1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.02 | wols | TiMiDo: then guess what chip is inside it... |
| 18:29.08 | TiMiDo | how do i gues? |
| 18:29.11 | TiMiDo | *guess |
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| 18:29.24 | wols | hint: it's your USB disk, NOT the camera |
| 18:29.28 | stew | it seems like he already knows, by his above flood |
| 18:29.47 | TiMiDo | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter |
| 18:29.51 | enouf | grep '045e' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.usbmap | grep 00f5 |
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| 18:30.15 | TiMiDo | 00f5 |
| 18:30.15 | TiMiDo | sn9c102 0x0083 0x045e 0x00f5 0x0000 0x0000 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x0 |
| 18:30.18 | wols | TiMiDo: don't flood the channel. instead pastebin the full output of your lsusb run |
| 18:30.25 | enouf | there |
| 18:30.28 | TiMiDo | enouf: ? |
| 18:30.33 | wols | sn9c102 looks more like a webcam chipset |
| 18:30.44 | enouf | isn't that what he wants? |
| 18:30.50 | TiMiDo | enouf: yeah |
| 18:30.52 | enouf | qcam? |
| 18:30.57 | enouf | so modprobe that |
| 18:31.15 | TiMiDo | i did enouf |
| 18:31.19 | TiMiDo | now how can i open the webcam? |
| 18:31.21 | TiMiDo | so i can see it? |
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| 18:31.52 | enouf | you got me pal |
| 18:31.59 | enouf | i don;t use those things |
| 18:32.07 | gumpish | =/ I have etch running solely as a DHCP server... the problem seems to be sporadic. Specifically, it appears that DHCP ACKs going out to the broadcast address are fine, but DHCP ACKs being sent to any specific IP on the network have bad CRCs (according to wireshark). |
| 18:32.13 | TiMiDo | Qcam not found Cannot open QuickCam; exiting. |
| 18:32.33 | BW^- | is there any way to install debian from a flash stick? |
| 18:32.36 | enouf | updatedb ; locate qcam ? |
| 18:32.39 | wols | TiMiDo: http://www.google.de/search?q=linux+driver++sn9c102&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 18:32.53 | stew | BW^-: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 18:32.55 | wols | enouf: why do you think it needs qcam? |
| 18:33.04 | TiMiDo | sudo: updatedb: command not found |
| 18:33.04 | TiMiDo | bash: locate: command not found |
| 18:33.08 | enouf | wols: no idea, he keeps mentioning it |
| 18:33.31 | enouf | wols: is not qcam a webcam ? |
| 18:33.32 | wols | TiMiDo: you look for the wrong driver. see my google link |
| 18:33.38 | enouf | i don't know |
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| 18:33.54 | wols | afaik it's something like a driver for "QuickCam"s which is a brandname of webcams |
| 18:34.05 | Bushmills | just looking at the new shuttle barebones ... they have a display integrated display in the case (that's not the main montor) .. me think me like. |
| 18:34.06 | enouf | wols: he already has that loaded, IF he followed directions |
| 18:34.07 | TiMiDo | wols: i did |
| 18:34.10 | cusco | hey... |
| 18:34.13 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213036345624012254.png |
| 18:34.15 | wols | enouf: IF. big if |
| 18:34.16 | linuxpower1 | build-essential is a metapackage right? so why did automake get removed without removing build-essential? |
| 18:34.25 | Bushmills | not just a small 4 lines lcd or such |
| 18:34.36 | wols | linuxpower1: there are tons of automake versions |
| 18:34.37 | cusco | is there a tool to monitor virtual internet interfaces such as eth0:1 ? |
| 18:34.43 | wols | linuxpower1: dpkg -l |grep automake |
| 18:34.45 | cusco | the docs for vnstat state: "Virtual and aliased interfaces can't be monitored because the kernel doesn't provide traffic information for that type of interfaces. Such interfaces are usually named eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:2 etc. where eth0 is the actual interface being aliased." |
| 18:34.46 | enouf | TiMiDo: lsmod | grep sn9c |
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| 18:35.00 | stew | linuxpower1: automake isn't build-essential |
| 18:35.16 | linuxpower1 | stew-> metapackage |
| 18:35.20 | stew | linuxpower1: hi |
| 18:35.25 | stew | linuxpower1: apt-cache depends build-essential |
| 18:35.26 | TiMiDo | enouf: join #flood |
| 18:35.32 | enouf | TiMiDo: and why isn't updatedb .. oh, not installed? run it as sudo/root |
| 18:35.33 | astra | anybody knows pptp vpn? |
| 18:35.39 | runa | ahum. I overwrited most of my /etc/ with an old backup and now my root user do not has /sbin nor /usr/sbin in his PATH. I would like to restore this, but I'm not sure where is the PATH for the root used defined (login.defs looks good...) |
| 18:35.40 | stew | linuxpower1: that will show you the build-essential packages. automake isn't one of them |
| 18:35.43 | wols | !tell astra about anyone |
| 18:35.48 | enouf | TiMiDo: use a pastebin? |
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| 18:35.57 | Bushmills | astra: i know somebody who does. so the answer is: yes |
| 18:35.57 | astra | ? |
| 18:35.58 | TiMiDo | join #flood |
| 18:36.32 | enouf | omg .. .thanks for the PM flood you weenie |
| 18:36.33 | astra | Bushmills: I would like to set mtu 1500 by default and not to set every connect |
| 18:36.51 | enouf | wols: it's loaded ;-) |
| 18:36.51 | astra | how can I do that? |
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| 18:37.01 | Bushmills | astra: sorry, i wa able to answer your first question. but not your second one. better ask the channel, instead of me |
| 18:37.12 | Bushmills | oh |
| 18:37.17 | TiMiDo | now what? |
| 18:37.17 | Bushmills | that wasn't a question |
| 18:37.27 | Bushmills | that was a statement of intention |
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| 18:37.41 | Fare | hum. |
| 18:37.44 | Bushmills | that is what i can answer. i want to go to the kitchen and put on the kettle for a cup of tea |
| 18:37.57 | enouf | sudo updatedb ; locate qcam ... and stop asking about ubuntu in #debian :-P |
| 18:38.11 | wols | enouf: he's an ubuntu user? |
| 18:38.12 | TiMiDo | okey enouf i've done that after that? |
| 18:38.16 | Fare | I upgraded X, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work properly, whereas X complains about misconfigured fots |
| 18:38.20 | TiMiDo | i Am a debian GNu Linux Lenny user |
| 18:38.28 | Fare | fonts - how do I get a working config again? |
| 18:38.30 | enouf | wols: i can't say for sure - a guess |
| 18:38.33 | Fare | (debian testing) |
| 18:38.47 | BW^- | is there any tool to write the boot.img to the usb-disk in Windows? |
| 18:38.59 | TiMiDo | enouf: done now what do i do? |
| 18:39.02 | runa | Where's the default PATH for users set? |
| 18:39.05 | enouf | TiMiDo: read the docs it returns? |
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| 18:39.25 | TiMiDo | no docs at all enouf |
| 18:39.35 | enouf | dude, i don;t know then |
| 18:39.40 | stew | runa: /etc/profile |
| 18:39.47 | Bushmills | BW^-: were your question more debian related, i could answer: dd |
| 18:39.58 | runa | stew: and what if the user has /bin/false as shell? |
| 18:39.59 | enouf | and please don't flood PM me like that again, ok? |
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| 18:40.18 | Bushmills | BW^-: so i give you a speculative answer: dd |
| 18:40.20 | BW^- | i think i found it, www.winimage.com. thanks! |
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| 18:40.37 | stew | runa: how are they logging in? |
| 18:41.18 | stew | runa: i doubt /bin/false makes use of the PATH variable |
| 18:41.42 | cusco | is there a tool to monitor virtual internet interfaces such as eth0:1 ? |
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| 18:42.32 | \amethyst | runa: /etc/environment and/or /etc/security/pam_env.conf might be what you're looking for |
| 18:43.28 | runa | \amethyst: tnx. btw, do you have anything related to PATH uncommented in those files? |
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| 18:44.24 | enouf | hrm /etc/pam.d/login hints at atleast one of those |
| 18:44.53 | \amethyst | runa: no, I don't |
| 18:44.56 | stew | runa: what shell si the user using? |
| 18:45.12 | runa | stew: /bin/false, it's a qmail user but I suspect it's getting it's PATH wrong |
| 18:45.22 | runa | stew: ie, I'm just guessing :) |
| 18:45.23 | stew | runa: /bin/false doesn't need the PATH set at all |
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| 18:45.33 | enouf | runa: so, you're using old /etc/{g}shadow ? |
| 18:45.40 | Bushmills | cusco: tshark. filter for ip address |
| 18:45.45 | stew | runa: or why do you think that the PATH needs to be set? |
| 18:45.53 | BW^- | i have an intel dual pro something laptop. should i install the i386 or amd64 distribution? |
| 18:46.07 | runa | stew: just guessing, because it's looking for some executables in wrong paths (I'm stracing it) |
| 18:46.09 | wols | BW^-: how much RAM? |
| 18:46.12 | runa | enouf: yep |
| 18:46.16 | stew | runa: what is it? |
| 18:46.17 | BW^- | wols: 4GB. |
| 18:46.20 | \amethyst | runa: where is it being run from? |
| 18:46.40 | fiendishfish | Nyle, who was that guy who was helping me earlier? |
| 18:46.47 | BW^- | wols: ? |
| 18:46.51 | \amethyst | runa: you might look at the qmail startup scripts---they should be setting PATH to something appropriate |
| 18:46.57 | wols | BW^-: then you might want to. debian i386 can only address ~3.5GB in a meaningful way. but you will get problems with 32bit plugins and other proprietary software |
| 18:47.07 | wols | !tell BW^- about amd64 |
| 18:47.24 | \amethyst | runa: /etc/profile only matters if someone runs a login shell; and PAM only matters for people logging in through a PAM service |
| 18:47.44 | enouf | wols: he can add/upgrade to -bigmem, no? |
| 18:47.52 | runa | \amethyst: tnx |
| 18:47.54 | stew | runa: when you say "it's looking for some executables in wrong paths", what do is "it"? |
| 18:48.03 | stew | s/do// |
| 18:48.18 | wols | enouf: what what does this help? |
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| 18:48.25 | enouf | runa: clarify your pronoun usage! |
| 18:48.26 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:48.39 | enouf | wols: making all 4GB available |
| 18:48.43 | runa | stew: a qmail executable ran by this user with shell /bin/false |
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| 18:49.10 | enouf | wols: on a 32bit arch |
| 18:49.24 | stew | runa: what is an example of an executable it isn't finding? |
| 18:50.25 | runa | stew: [pid 20403] execve("/usr/local/bin/qmail-send", ["qmail-send"], [/* 16 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory); it tries a few dirs more, but not /usr/sbin/ where it is |
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| 18:51.06 | \amethyst | runa: what is pid 20403 ? |
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| 18:51.33 | wedge | \amethyst: some process that got process id 20403? |
| 18:51.38 | wedge | you can't tell for sure |
| 18:51.51 | enouf | hrm, i don't get a nice pid [] output in my straces :-/ |
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| 18:51.58 | Spec | in debian amd64, what's the easiest way to install a 32bit version of postgers? Is there a 32bit-repository-for-amd64? |
| 18:52.17 | runa | \amethyst, stew: it was start-stop-daemon having a wrong path; sorry for all the hassle |
| 18:52.27 | runa | \amethyst: I suspect now that process was sh |
| 18:52.33 | enouf | Spec: maybe ask #debian-amd64 .. but i seem to recall an ia32-libs pkg? |
| 18:52.52 | \amethyst | runa: aha |
| 18:53.04 | Spec | enouf: so that means i could just pull the package from i386 repo? |
| 18:53.08 | enouf | Spec: hang around - someone might comment here too - and my info might be wrong or just old |
| 18:53.10 | stew | Spec: installing a 32 bit chroot |
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| 18:53.19 | Spec | gaah, there's gotta be an easier way |
| 18:53.26 | stew | is that hard? |
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| 18:53.39 | Spec | reinstall debian into a folder? :p |
| 18:53.45 | \amethyst | it's not hard but it is somewhat wasteful |
| 18:53.52 | \amethyst | Spec: debootstrap makes that easy |
| 18:54.17 | runa | \amethyst: tnx, you were headed in the right direction |
| 18:56.04 | Spec | \amethyst: debootstrap etch --arch=i386? |
| 18:56.08 | fiendishfish | Can someone please explain how Sudo is _remotely_ secure in comparison to su, seeing as with Sudo, you can execute privledged commands with a standard sudoers password :s |
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| 18:56.29 | Spec | fiendishfish: you can execute a specific command, and only that specific command, as root, without having the root password. |
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| 18:56.36 | \amethyst | Spec: give a directory after the suite name |
| 18:56.41 | Spec | \amethyst: right, . :p |
| 18:56.44 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: with sudo you have finer control on what commands can be executed |
| 18:56.54 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: wit su, it is all-or-nothing |
| 18:56.57 | fiendishfish | Spec, and they can run a specific program with sudo, which is infact malware. |
| 18:57.03 | Spec | fiendishfish: what? |
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| 18:57.16 | fiendishfish | Bushmills, su -c, is far more secure than sudo in my opinion. |
| 18:57.16 | Spec | fiendishfish: i can tell them they can only run "/usr/local/bin/uneditable_command", and that's all they will be able to run |
| 18:57.30 | fiendishfish | Spec, in the average users enviroment. |
| 18:57.34 | fiendishfish | It's not really good at all. |
| 18:57.37 | Spec | what the hell is average? |
| 18:57.46 | fiendishfish | >_<' |
| 18:57.48 | Spec | ... |
| 18:57.51 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: when you can do su -c, can you also do su ? |
| 18:57.54 | Spec | this is the #debian channel, right? |
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| 18:58.00 | enouf | fiendishfish: sudo asks for user passwd, if it's setup that way, this way root passwd is never known by users |
| 18:58.00 | Spec | average = hundred user servers or more, right? |
| 18:58.10 | fiendishfish | Spec, nvm. |
| 18:58.29 | fiendishfish | enouf, Ah, but for a one person computer, sudo is basically worthless, right? |
| 18:58.33 | mark17 | hello, is there an easy way to format a harddisc as ext3 when you are not next to the server/can use the install cd/dvd? it is a new harddisc (read just from the shop) |
| 18:58.42 | Spec | fiendishfish: it's about as worthless as su |
| 18:58.44 | wedge | mark17: there is |
| 18:58.52 | wedge | man tune2fs |
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| 18:59.01 | enouf | fiendishfish: depends |
| 18:59.08 | fiendishfish | Spec, on a one person system, it doesn't really matter if you su or sudo tbh. |
| 18:59.19 | Spec | except if you su you need to remember two passwords |
| 18:59.19 | wedge | http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm mark17 |
| 18:59.22 | Spec | and you gain nothing |
| 18:59.25 | Spec | ... |
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| 18:59.31 | fiendishfish | Spec, but you need to remember your root password anyway idiot. |
| 18:59.36 | Spec | uhh |
| 18:59.39 | enouf | partition it 1st no wedge ? |
| 18:59.40 | Spec | fiendishfish: no you don't.... |
| 18:59.41 | fiendishfish | Or atleast have it off hand. |
| 18:59.44 | Spec | fiendishfish: no you don't. |
| 18:59.46 | \amethyst | fiendishfish: why? |
| 18:59.47 | Spec | fiendishfish: i disable root account. |
| 18:59.51 | Spec | fiendishfish: how about that one, idiot? |
| 18:59.54 | Spec | ... |
| 18:59.58 | wols | Spec: with sudo you can limit the sudopowers. not with su |
| 19:00.00 | wedge | enouf: oh I thought he wanted to convert.. in that case |
| 19:00.02 | fiendishfish | Meh. |
| 19:00.06 | enouf | maybe i misunderstood, i don't see ext2 mentioned at all |
| 19:00.06 | fiendishfish | </argument> |
| 19:00.07 | wols | Spec, fiendishfish stop that insulting |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | ahh |
| 19:00.11 | fiendishfish | wols, It was me |
| 19:00.12 | fiendishfish | Not spec. |
| 19:00.13 | Spec | wols: he started it *whines* |
| 19:00.15 | Spec | ;) |
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| 19:00.21 | wedge | mk2fs.ext3 /dev/hda1something mark17 |
| 19:00.25 | Spec | fiendishfish: no hard feelings ;) |
| 19:00.25 | fiendishfish | Spec sounds awfully like Spic |
| 19:00.29 | fiendishfish | It's distressing :D |
| 19:00.30 | Spec | haha |
| 19:00.50 | Spec | and you're racist. i guess you're worse off than I ;) |
| 19:00.51 | enouf | mark17: 1st create partition(s) use fdisk, cfdisk, parted .. or gparted livecd, or whatever |
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| 19:00.57 | fiendishfish | Spec, I'm not. |
| 19:01.00 | fiendishfish | I just lawl at taboo things. |
| 19:01.16 | fiendishfish | Spec, I've got an in-head dilemma now, whether to remove sudo, or remove root logins. |
| 19:01.22 | wols | Spec, fiendishfish: do any of you have a debian related question? |
| 19:01.29 | \amethyst | I like the idea of using ssh keys to control root access, myself |
| 19:01.31 | Spec | wols: yes of course |
| 19:01.31 | fiendishfish | wols, Are you an op :o |
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| 19:01.50 | enouf | they're watching |
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| 19:01.54 | Spec | oh man |
| 19:02.04 | Spec | \amethyst: that --arch=i386 was interpreted as my path |
| 19:02.04 | \amethyst | you can give each individual a different key, allowing you to revoke one key without affecting anything else |
| 19:02.04 | wols | enouf: only selective enforcement |
| 19:02.10 | enouf | some also contribute, a lot |
| 19:02.15 | enouf | perhaps |
| 19:02.16 | Spec | \amethyst: how do i rm that? o.O -- is being interpreted as an argument |
| 19:02.26 | \amethyst | Spec: rm ./--arch=i386 |
| 19:02.35 | Spec | nice one. |
| 19:02.44 | \amethyst | err, well, -r too |
| 19:02.52 | Spec | right, naturally |
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| 19:03.28 | Spec | \amethyst: i don't understand...where do i specify that argument? |
| 19:03.43 | \amethyst | Spec: before the suite according to the manpage |
| 19:03.50 | Spec | yeah, but it tries to use it as the suite |
| 19:03.55 | Spec | according to actually placing it there -.- |
| 19:03.57 | \amethyst | Spec: so debootstrap --arch=i386 etch directory |
| 19:04.01 | Spec | nope -.- |
| 19:04.33 | \amethyst | Spec: odd, it works here |
| 19:04.40 | \amethyst | Spec: oh |
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| 19:04.50 | Spec | i get a 'no such script' error |
| 19:04.55 | vi3t | how do i chose mirror for apt ? |
| 19:05.04 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 19:05.04 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 19:05.08 | \amethyst | Spec: are you sure they're really hyphens and not some funny unicode character ? |
| 19:05.17 | Spec | \amethyst: i think it didn't like the =, actually |
| 19:05.32 | Nyle | \amethyst, building source for cam now |
| 19:05.33 | Spec | 'debootstrap --foreign --arch i386 etch .' seemed to work |
| 19:05.53 | \amethyst | Spec: hm, maybe a difference between what you run and sid |
| 19:06.12 | Nyle | \amethyst, which gui app should I use to record video? |
| 19:06.53 | \amethyst | Nyle: no clue; I use gqcam but that's just stills |
| 19:06.56 | enouf | recordmyDesktop? oh .. erm, gstreamer? |
| 19:07.04 | enouf | oh crap, nm Nyle |
| 19:07.12 | Fare | is this channel logged? |
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| 19:07.33 | Nyle | \amethyst, built and loaded succesfully |
| 19:07.36 | Fare | (if there was an answer to my question about getting a working xorg.conf, I didn't see it) |
| 19:07.36 | Nyle | m-a ftw |
| 19:07.46 | \amethyst | Nyle: cool |
| 19:07.49 | Nyle | Fare, ask again |
| 19:08.28 | Nyle | p gtkam - GTK+ application for digital still cameras |
| 19:08.32 | vi3t | it isnt what i was looking for. because when i try to install anything through apt-get. it cant find anything, xchat/subversion etc |
| 19:08.37 | Nyle | p gqcam - GTK Webcam control |
| 19:08.46 | Nyle | no video anywhere |
| 19:08.51 | Nyle | oh enouf what/ |
| 19:09.02 | Nyle | gstreamer? how? what? |
| 19:09.06 | enouf | Fare: misconfigured fonts? hrm, load your old backupped xorg.conf maybe look in /etc/X11 for xorg.conf-DATE-IN-NUMBERS |
| 19:09.16 | Nyle | enouf, backed up* |
| 19:09.20 | Fare | I apt-get dist-upgraded, and now X refuses to start, complains about missing fonts. I tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it produces a non-working xorg.conf with only a tiny subset of the required sections |
| 19:09.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:09.28 | enouf | Nyle: hehe , right on |
| 19:09.41 | enouf | dunno why i was thinking backuppc |
| 19:09.43 | wols | Fare: reinstall X |
| 19:09.48 | Fare | enouf: I backed up my xorg.conf, but apparently Xorg doesn't like it |
| 19:09.50 | Fare | wols: how? |
| 19:09.55 | wols | just install X |
| 19:10.10 | wols | Fare: dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 19:10.18 | wols | pastebin its output |
| 19:10.21 | Fare | you mean apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg ? |
| 19:10.34 | wols | xserver-xorg is NOT x |
| 19:10.43 | enouf | Fare: newer Xorg do automagic video detection, and loading |
| 19:10.56 | wols | !tell Fare about install xorg |
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| 19:11.09 | Nyle | hehe zorg! |
| 19:11.20 | enouf | Fare: that's why your newer xorg.conf seems sparse |
| 19:11.46 | Fare | it's also not working |
| 19:11.48 | wols | Fare: do what I told you |
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| 19:12.02 | vi3t | how do i change my debian language to english ? i have mine in norwegian, bad idea so |
| 19:12.04 | Fare | wols: where is the pastebot url? |
| 19:12.07 | Nyle | automagic my ass, always have to manually set stuff with xrandr |
| 19:12.11 | wols | !pastebin |
| 19:12.12 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 19:12.24 | wols | Nyle: the new config is simply bullshit of the first order |
| 19:12.31 | wols | they fucked up badly there |
| 19:12.31 | enouf | vi3t: /msg dpkg locales |
| 19:12.37 | Nyle | it seems so yea |
| 19:12.53 | enouf | i kind of agree,, was it upstream's choice to do that though? |
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| 19:13.52 | wols | enouf: yes |
| 19:13.58 | enouf | ugh .. |
| 19:14.11 | wols | but debian could have sorta fixed it with debconf allowing the old manual xorg.conf creation if wanted |
| 19:14.31 | wols | so I actually blame debian more :P |
| 19:14.40 | enouf | damn those c++ and bloated DE lovin bastages |
| 19:14.48 | Nyle | X strike force! |
| 19:14.50 | enouf | well ... hrm |
| 19:14.56 | karl__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.04 | wols | karl__: rcconf |
| 19:15.04 | Nyle | enouf, 'ey! |
| 19:15.08 | xinming | Hello, I try to make a diskless debian for 2 computers, But the hardwares are quite different, anyone here can tell me what I can use for make the diskless to auto detect all hardware please? |
| 19:15.11 | Nyle | be'ave.. |
| 19:15.15 | enouf | they are nice and work hard, hrm .. maybe DPL decision? |
| 19:15.22 | wols | xinming: no need. just use a debian kernel |
| 19:15.27 | Fare | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 19:15.33 | wols | !fixed |
| 19:15.33 | dpkg | i guess fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 19:15.45 | wols | Fare: do you EVER listen what I tell you? |
| 19:15.56 | vi3t | does package subversion exist on apt? since when i do apt-get install subversion, it says package doesnt exist |
| 19:15.57 | trifler | What's a good panel for openbox? I wanted something like awn but I guess I can forget that :/ |
| 19:16.02 | Nyle | technically he can't listen ;) |
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| 19:16.06 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 19:16.11 | wols | vi3t: show us your sources.list please. pastebin it |
| 19:16.24 | enouf | there must be a relationship there alreaedy :-P |
| 19:16.31 | Nyle | wow my landlord has a hot wife |
| 19:16.36 | Nyle | I just saw her |
| 19:16.41 | Nyle | anyway |
| 19:16.58 | vi3t | wols, sorry but im new to debian x).. where can i locate sources.list? |
| 19:17.04 | enouf | dude, last night? .. ooo mann .. don't even |
| 19:17.06 | wols | vi3t: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:17.13 | xinming | wols: What about using the nvidia driver? |
| 19:17.21 | Nyle | enouf, was I here last night I can't remember |
| 19:17.23 | Nyle | I was piss drunk |
| 19:17.28 | vi3t | wols, seems like only my cdrom :o |
| 19:17.39 | wols | xinming: just put it on your install. |
| 19:17.42 | Fare | http://rafb.net/p/GMWYW753.html |
| 19:17.52 | enouf | Nyle: just look at your Enter key :-p |
| 19:17.53 | Nyle | what happened to apt-setup? |
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| 19:18.21 | wols | Fare: see the fixed factoid |
| 19:18.24 | Nyle | enouf, yeh i gotta do something about that. I'm jittery so I end up hitting enter so much I even annoy myself. I am however trying to take the time to finish entire thoughts, not just one thought spur of the moment. |
| 19:18.29 | wols | !tell Nyle about apt-setup |
| 19:18.37 | xinming | wols: hmm, Ok, let me explain. when we use nvidia-driver, It will update the config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and within another machine, this will be a problem, which leads the x can't be started. |
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| 19:18.46 | Nyle | enouf, actually thinking about what I say before I say it, its an old adage, and it actually is good advice. |
| 19:18.50 | Fare | wols: I do, but I lag. and I tried aptitude install xorg and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, to no avail. |
| 19:18.51 | Nyle | wols, spanks |
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| 19:18.54 | enouf | !bravo Nyle |
| 19:18.57 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:18.57 | Fare | (lenny, amd64, nv) |
| 19:18.58 | wols | xinming: you could use lenny... |
| 19:19.17 | vi3t | wols, any "tells" to me about what format i should have on my sources.list? |
| 19:19.22 | wols | Fare: it clearly says in which package the fixed fonts are |
| 19:19.23 | xinming | wols: And if I remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the prlbem will be, the xorg-server defaults to using nv driver. which can't handle my chipset ATM |
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| 19:19.32 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 19:19.32 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:19.35 | wols | !tell vi3t about sources.list |
| 19:19.35 | Fare | xfonts-base is already the newest version. |
| 19:19.39 | wols | also man sources.list |
| 19:19.46 | xinming | wols: I'm using testing, I don't know if that's what you mean for using lenny. |
| 19:19.49 | Nyle | Fare, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 19:20.02 | wols | xinming: I do. supposedly lenny works even with an empty xorg.conf |
| 19:20.15 | Nyle | don't need xorg.conf anymore do we? |
| 19:20.18 | xinming | wols: Yes. It's because you are using nv driver. |
| 19:20.24 | wols | xinming: no |
| 19:20.29 | xinming | wols: not the driver from nvidia. |
| 19:20.31 | xinming | hmm. |
| 19:20.43 | wols | just load the module before running X. it _should_ pick that up |
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| 19:20.59 | enouf | add it to /etc/modules then |
| 19:21.27 | xinming | is still in consufing. |
| 19:21.31 | xinming | confusing* |
| 19:21.38 | xinming | not worked here. |
| 19:21.55 | wols | do you have an empty xorg.conf? |
| 19:22.09 | xinming | It will always choose the nv driver. |
| 19:22.16 | xinming | wols: I've removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:22.34 | Nyle | you maybe want to del the file, sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:22.57 | Nyle | then edit the file and under device, add DRIVER "nvidia" |
| 19:23.00 | Nyle | or whatever you want |
| 19:23.14 | wols | Nyle: that's no solution to his problem |
| 19:23.22 | Nyle | I thought it was |
| 19:23.41 | xinming | Nyle: I try to build a diskless debian for 2 computers. |
| 19:23.49 | Nyle | word |
| 19:23.52 | xinming | Nyle: nv card are different |
| 19:23.58 | vi3t | why doesnt debian have aclocal? o.0 |
| 19:23.59 | Nyle | I thought you nm... |
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| 19:24.06 | Fare | apparently, it works better after I install xfs (which it previously insisted on DEINSTALLING) |
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| 19:27.21 | woodgrain | I did 'mark all upgrades' in synaptic. Now GNOME won't drop windows without mouse click. |
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| 19:27.52 | woodgrain | I don't really know how to figure out what went wrong |
| 19:28.19 | Nyle | hey \amethyst ping |
| 19:28.23 | Nyle | \amethyst, /dev/video: No such file or directory |
| 19:28.34 | Nyle | \amethyst, I get this error from gqcam |
| 19:28.56 | Nyle | never used a webcam on linux |
| 19:29.59 | adama | using fdisk, I have Disk /dev/hdc: 160.0 GB, but when I create a partition with the defaults it only makes a 150 MB partition |
| 19:31.02 | adama | something wrong with the cylinder size or something? |
| 19:31.28 | Nyle | adama, pastebin output of sudo fdisk -l |
| 19:31.51 | Nyle | kicks this piece of shit webcam |
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| 19:34.35 | click170 | What is the proper way to install a program from source but as a deb so that it can be removed with apt-get remove? |
| 19:34.51 | Nyle | [66048.351718] /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: USB GSPCA camera found.(SPCA561A) |
| 19:34.54 | stew | click170: /msg dpkg mg |
| 19:34.55 | Bushmills | adama: difference between raw and net capacity. also, ext2/3 reserves some space |
| 19:34.58 | naiv | Q: a user uploads a file with apache. Then i want to chown it. But i have always : "permission denied" |
| 19:35.09 | stew | naiv: on root can chown |
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| 19:35.21 | wols | adama: for a hdd maker, gigabyte are only 1 billion bytes, while for linux it's 1,062 billion bytes |
| 19:35.50 | click170 | stew: thnx, much appreciated |
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| 19:36.48 | stew | naiv: perhaps you'd rather have the user upload into a directory that is g+s, so that the group ownership will be a specific group? |
| 19:37.31 | alexandre | at work on ubuntu, I have color highlighting in emacs xml-mode. Not on my debian testing at home. What should I set to get it ? (I am not getting any answer in #emacs) |
| 19:37.32 | naiv | well i'd need to set both, uid and gid |
| 19:37.40 | click170 | stew: wait, you meant the maint guide, I meant something more like checkinstall except checkinstall fails miserably. |
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| 19:37.55 | Bushmills | wols: 1,074 billion |
| 19:37.59 | adama | Bushmills, Nyle, wols: http://pastebin.ca/1043191 # the partition is 137 Megabytes not gigs |
| 19:37.59 | \amethyst | naiv: you could have the script that does the upload run as the correct user, instead of running as www-data |
| 19:38.35 | enouf | click170: maybe /msg dpkg stow ? |
| 19:38.36 | \amethyst | naiv: using suexec or something like that |
| 19:39.00 | naiv | using suexec right, but then i need to know which user use the script xD |
| 19:39.10 | \amethyst | it means "every element" |
| 19:39.11 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 19:39.33 | adama | wait I need to do mkfs first don't I |
| 19:39.34 | stew | alexandre: M-x font-lock-mode |
| 19:39.42 | wols | adama: you are mistaken |
| 19:40.02 | wols | /dev/hda3 137G 104G |
| 19:40.04 | stew | alexandre: if you want that automatically turned on in all modes by default, then look at the global-font-lock-mode variable (C-h v global-font-lock-mode) |
| 19:40.32 | alexandre | stew: no, it works for all mode but the xml-mode, I don't know why |
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| 19:40.32 | enouf | Nyle: hrm, i have no /dev/video* at all .. maybe ~$ rgrep -i video /etc/udev .. is the module loading ok? did you do depmod -a ? |
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| 19:40.38 | click170 | enouf: that looks more like what I'm looking for, many thanks. |
| 19:40.44 | stew | alexandre: and font-lock-mode doens't change it? |
| 19:40.51 | alexandre | stew: no |
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| 19:41.10 | Spec | \amethyst: my debootstrap was for --arch i386, but now my chroot is made, i chroot into it and run the "file" command, and it says they're 64bit lsb executables |
| 19:41.14 | Spec | x86-64 |
| 19:41.18 | adama | wols: hdc is the drive in question |
| 19:41.29 | alexandre | stew: do you have color highlight in xml mode ? maybe it is not debian but just me who fucked up something |
| 19:41.38 | stew | alexandre: yes |
| 19:41.46 | wols | adama: use another fdisk program. like cfdisk |
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| 19:42.14 | alexandre | stew: ok, thanks. I'll have a look at my .eamcs.d |
| 19:42.19 | naiv | \amethyst, let's say my CGI knows which user is logged-in, could i write the uploaded file as www-data, then su - user cp file, then delete file ? |
| 19:42.21 | adama | wols: doing this.... mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc1 |
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| 19:42.56 | stew | alexandre: the buffer is in xml-mode? |
| 19:43.07 | \amethyst | naiv: not without knowing the password or running the CGI as root |
| 19:43.08 | alexandre | stew: yes |
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| 19:43.34 | stew | alexandre: you can try starting emacs with -q to skip your .emacs |
| 19:43.53 | adama | wols: that worked. Now df says /dev/hdc1 147G |
| 19:44.04 | enouf | adama: was that HDD part of a raid or lvm at one time? if not new, how did you remove old partitions? or is it new? oh well |
| 19:44.05 | \amethyst | naiv: neither of which is a good idea... hm |
| 19:44.06 | Nyle | \amethyst, /dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ] |
| 19:44.06 | r0n | I'm trying to make a custom package of python-defaults for etch. I update the package version from -2 to -3foo but python-support which has a dependency on >=2.3 doesn't like my version. I've tried other variations like -foo3 but still no luck. Any ideas? |
| 19:44.10 | stew | alexandre: or -Q to also skip /etc/emacs/ |
| 19:44.18 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.18 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.24 | Nyle | \amethyst, I can't record picture stills |
| 19:44.28 | Nyle | help! :( |
| 19:44.40 | stew | r0n: what is your full version string? |
| 19:44.40 | enouf | i was going to say video0, but i have no idea how to tell the camera to use that |
| 19:44.55 | Nyle | mabe point /dev/video to video0? |
| 19:45.00 | adama | enouf: I have no idea, I just deleted them all with fdisk, created one big one, did mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc1 and mounted it |
| 19:45.07 | enouf | if neither exist? |
| 19:45.12 | adama | now it is working as intended |
| 19:45.21 | r0n | stew: 2.4.4-3foo |
| 19:45.34 | r0n | stew: I only changed the package version |
| 19:45.42 | Nyle | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-06-09 15:05 /dev/video0 |
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| 19:45.59 | Nyle | wait maybe im not in the video group? |
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| 19:46.09 | enouf | adama: maybe a reboot was in order - but since it wasn't / FS also on that disk, some cache or file needed updating/touched, or FS sync'd |
| 19:46.12 | stew | r0n: that is >= 2.3 so I don't think that is the problem |
| 19:46.16 | \amethyst | Nyle: you could put L video video0 in /etc/udev/links.conf to make the symlink |
| 19:46.20 | psufan | how is the sources.list normally generated from a stock install, is there a file on the cd or some command run |
| 19:46.23 | stew | r0n: you can verify with, "dpkg --compare-versions 2.4.4-3foo '>=' 2.3 && echo yes" |
| 19:46.25 | \amethyst | Nyle: and the group thing |
| 19:46.27 | bolt | is there a simple, console-based solution for temparature-based fan control (for stationary machine, not laptop)? |
| 19:46.31 | \amethyst | Nyle: I've gtg now, good luck |
| 19:46.38 | Bushmills | Nyle, usb cam drivers support v4l, which streams to a /dev/video device. those can be watched with, for example, a tv player, or mplayer. |
| 19:46.38 | psufan | I am trying to fix a ubuntu kickstart scripted pxe install so it doesn't break the sources.list when it's done installing |
| 19:46.44 | enouf | always test as root |
| 19:46.50 | psufan | the problem right now is it changes all the urls to the local pxe server which won't be around |
| 19:46.55 | stew | psufan: its created with a program named 'apt-setup' |
| 19:47.02 | naiv | \amethyst, i think that's bad, but i know the passwords as i store them 'as is' with SQL |
| 19:47.06 | stew | psufan: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:47.07 | psufan | ok thx :) |
| 19:47.09 | enouf | that's the quick and easy way to determine group issues |
| 19:47.09 | r0n | stew: yeah, but still when I try to install my version with the default python-support I get complaints |
| 19:47.10 | psufan | I tried |
| 19:47.16 | psufan | braindead there |
| 19:47.16 | stew | r0n: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:47.28 | stew | psufan: try a ubuntu mailing list or web forum then |
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| 19:47.32 | Nyle | \amethyst, L video /dev/video0 |
| 19:47.41 | Nyle | \amethyst, oh ok dude gbye |
| 19:47.49 | alexandre | stew: "emacs -q" gives the same result but "emacs -Q" gives me highlight. It looks it is debian config. |
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| 19:48.13 | manic96 | I'm trying to get the module 3c59x to load in debian 2.6.18 and I am getting an error at boot which I can't read. I have checked the system log and dmesg for the message but it isn't logged there. Is there another log file I should try or is there a way to recreate the module loads from the command line? |
| 19:48.16 | Nyle | Bushmills, however /dev/video does nto exist only /dev/video0 and gqcam is using friggin /dev/video0 |
| 19:48.20 | Nyle | though added the link |
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| 19:48.25 | psufan | stew tried those already :) |
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| 19:48.30 | psufan | apt-setup is probably what I needed |
| 19:48.33 | psufan | thx |
| 19:48.33 | stew | alexandre: interesting. check /etc/emacs* and /usr/share/emacs*/site-lisp |
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| 19:49.03 | Bushmills | Nyle, afaik, /dev/video is usually a symlink to the first video. i.e. video0 |
| 19:49.10 | Greek-Boy | I am trying to install Debian etch on a Dell Optiplex 755 without any success. NIC and HDD are not detected :(. Any ideas? |
| 19:49.13 | Nyle | ah |
| 19:49.16 | stew | alexandre: what version of emacs? |
| 19:50.00 | Nyle | $>sudo ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video |
| 19:50.01 | Nyle | bingo. |
| 19:50.02 | alexandre | stew: emacs 22.2.1 |
| 19:50.03 | Nyle | I can see myself |
| 19:50.05 | Nyle | :D |
| 19:50.23 | stew | alexandre: same here. and you are using the build-in xml-mode? or nxml-mode or something? |
| 19:50.24 | sladi | hi, does somebody know where the preferred sans-serif font is defined please? I have trouble getting helvetica replaced with arial. :) |
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| 19:50.28 | Nyle | its black and white though :( |
| 19:50.37 | BW^- | I get "error loading operating system" when tryingt o boot the flash stick. |
| 19:50.56 | Nyle | Bushmills, thanks thats what I needed to know |
| 19:51.00 | Nyle | it wasnt' a group thingy |
| 19:51.01 | Bushmills | yw |
| 19:51.01 | sladi | bw my older mobo won't boot off usb either |
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| 19:51.44 | sladi | i assume you've tried all in bios ^ |
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| 19:53.30 | alexandre | stew: xml mode |
| 19:53.34 | Nyle | now.. my 4 channel peavy mixer needs to get hooked up |
| 19:53.34 | BW^- | sladi: this is a Lenovo X61! |
| 19:53.36 | Nyle | hm |
| 19:53.37 | BW^- | new comuter |
| 19:53.38 | r0n | stew: http://rafb.net/p/4kEw2J19.html notice how the install of python-support wants to do a downgrade |
| 19:53.49 | Nyle | I wonder what sort of audio device I should get |
| 19:54.00 | sladi | is there a way to replace helvetica in iceweasel? I tried with local.conf but nothing happens |
| 19:54.05 | Nyle | good music production sound card aroudn 120-150 USD thats supported well in linux |
| 19:54.12 | Nyle | suggessitons? |
| 19:54.12 | BW^- | sladi: and the bios is newly upgraded |
| 19:54.24 | sladi | bw the mobo I tried here is an Asus socket 754 |
| 19:54.27 | Nyle | fuck the price, i'll take any with good debian support |
| 19:54.43 | sladi | I tried 5 minutes ago, grub just says error 17 |
| 19:54.56 | r0n | stew: but its info says Depends: python (>= 2.3) |
| 19:55.23 | Nyle | helvetica and grub? |
| 19:55.33 | Nyle | what is the relation here? |
| 19:55.35 | sladi | i had to enable legacu usb support in bios |
| 19:55.45 | BW^- | sladi: i think i have that already enabled. |
| 19:55.48 | BW^- | like, "BIOS USB support" |
| 19:55.55 | sladi | I' talking to BW ^^ |
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| 19:56.15 | TaiSHi | Hello everyone |
| 19:56.17 | Nyle | sladi, use the nickname and then message |
| 19:56.20 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:56.20 | TaiSHi | I'm doing a chroot install |
| 19:56.30 | TaiSHi | But using lvm |
| 19:56.44 | TaiSHi | But when I do chroot into the mounted partition, I don't see the devices |
| 19:56.44 | sladi | without legacy support my pc won't even recognize the usb drive when POST, the lights of the reader stay off |
| 19:57.04 | alexandre | stew: I found the guilty, do you have a /etc/emacs22/site-start.d/50psgml-init.el . If I remove it, I get syntax highligh. |
| 19:57.06 | Nyle | copy your current device node over I say |
| 19:57.07 | sladi | bw: can you enter some boot menu where you can choose the boot device? |
| 19:57.17 | Nyle | tree |
| 19:57.20 | BW^- | sladi: yep. and the flash memory usb stick shows up there. |
| 19:57.21 | sladi | Nyle: thanks |
| 19:57.29 | BW^- | sladi: so i select it, press enter, and it says error loading operating ysstem. |
| 19:57.42 | Nyle | BW^-, grub can't find the kernel |
| 19:58.07 | sladi | BW^: the exact same happens here, I tried the etherboot usb image |
| 19:58.22 | stew | r0n: it says that python conflicts with python-support, not that python-support conflicts with python |
| 19:58.27 | stew | alexandre: i don't. |
| 19:58.35 | stew | !find 50psgml-init testing |
| 19:58.49 | sladi | BW^: I mean I get a grub 17 error |
| 19:58.54 | BW^- | sladi,nyle: so grub did start, ah. |
| 19:59.03 | BW^- | sladi,nyle: well i don't get anny error. might it be the MBR? |
| 19:59.11 | BW^- | i get the "error loading operating system" error only. |
| 19:59.11 | Nyle | no |
| 19:59.26 | BW^- | ok. could it be that www.winimage.com is trashed? |
| 19:59.37 | Nyle | im not really sure whats going on im on/off on the puter |
| 19:59.39 | Nyle | sorry ignore me |
| 19:59.46 | alexandre | stew: it looks like I installed something that installed it. |
| 20:00.02 | r0n | stew: d'oh... I added python-support to the conflict line instead of depends line... I fail. Thanks for the second pair of eyes. |
| 20:00.02 | stew | alexandre: "dpkg -S /path/to/file" might show you which package |
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| 20:00.04 | sladi | BW^: maybe try the usb image from etherboot wiki, it's in the howto section |
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| 20:00.26 | stew | alexandre: and the bot might tell us someday as well |
| 20:00.59 | BW^- | sladi: etherboot won't do. anycase. perhaps i should just wait until i have an optical drive. |
| 20:01.00 | BW^- | thanks guys! |
| 20:01.10 | alexandre | stew: no answer from dpkg, but the file starts with ;;Fixes for Debian ... |
| 20:01.16 | BW^- | this should really never happen btw, as the kernel is included in the distribution,r ight? |
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| 20:01.25 | eth01 | evening |
| 20:01.26 | BW^- | btw, can i just write a mini-ISO directly to a flash stick and have it running? |
| 20:01.49 | r0n | so, since I'm on the subject of package version names for custom packages is it better to do -foo5 or -5foo (or some other variation)? |
| 20:01.51 | stew | BW^-: no, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 20:01.52 | Greek-Boy | so no one has installed Debian on a Dell Optiplex 755? |
| 20:01.52 | BW^- | nie not boot.img but debiab-r40-etc..iso ? |
| 20:01.59 | BW^- | ok thanks |
| 20:02.09 | sladi | BW^: some bios should do it in some compatibility mode |
| 20:02.13 | alexandre | but I am not mad: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2000/05/msg00567.html |
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| 20:02.26 | r0n | various tools see to prefer -foo5 |
| 20:02.29 | stew | &find 50psgml-init testing |
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| 20:05.05 | sladi | has anyone achieved to replace Helvetica using /etc/fonts/local.conf please? |
| 20:05.11 | manic96 | the module for my ehternet card says that it is loading but the card is not found. /dev/eth0 does not exit. google searches are turning up very little. can anyone point me in a direction to get this card to work |
| 20:05.18 | stew | alexandre: is psgml installed? |
| 20:05.24 | stew | !info psgml |
| 20:05.28 | dpkg | psgml: (An Emacs major mode for editing SGML documents.), section text, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
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| 20:05.33 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 20:06.06 | ribnitz | Any chance to get Firefox 3/ Thunderbird packaged for sid/expermental? |
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| 20:06.18 | alexandre | stew: yes |
| 20:06.22 | Nyle | whats that one guy |
| 20:06.27 | Nyle | um |
| 20:06.33 | Nyle | b something |
| 20:06.43 | chops | manic96: Linux does not use /dev/eth0 and the like |
| 20:06.45 | stew | alexandre: yeah, i'd bet that is the culprit. |
| 20:06.52 | Nyle | Bushmills, ping |
| 20:07.16 | chops | manic96: What do you mean "the card is not found"? What card are you using, and what module are you loading? Can you pastebin the output of 'lspci -vvv'? |
| 20:07.22 | tudon | is there a dpkg-reconfigure network settings something? |
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| 20:07.48 | alexandre | stew: how could it not know its own child ? dpkg -L psgml doesn't show the file |
| 20:07.50 | ribnitz | Other question: how do I get the sound control of my usb headphone working, it does in windoze... |
| 20:07.53 | chops | tudon: Edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.07 | Nyle | Bushmills, http://picpaste.com/4.png <- I can't seem to get a better quality than this for image |
| 20:08.08 | tudon | hmm only way or install some gui ic tnx |
| 20:08.13 | Nyle | Bushmills, any advice |
| 20:08.21 | chops | ribnitz: It's packaged for experimental, it'll go into unstable probably when it gets an official release instead of an RC |
| 20:08.40 | stew | alexandre: if it was created by the postinst script, or if it not properly handled from a previous version of the package that actually provided the file |
| 20:08.45 | ribnitz | chops: pakage name? |
| 20:08.51 | chops | ribnitz: iceweasel |
| 20:09.23 | sladi | better yet where can I specifiy what the default serif and sans-serif fonts are (in GTK for example) please? |
| 20:09.33 | ribnitz | su |
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| 20:09.35 | ribnitz | ebcedic1 |
| 20:09.39 | ribnitz | ups |
| 20:10.02 | alexandre | stew: yes, that's it. I purged the package but the filed remained. I removed it manually. Thanks for your help. |
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| 20:11.10 | manic96 | chops: it is a 3com fastetherlink xl. I am using the module 3c59x. The boot messages say that the module has loaded but then that eth0 cannot be found. /dev/eth0 does not exist |
| 20:11.46 | chops | manic96: As I already told you, /dev/eth0 will never exist on any Linux system; that's not how its network interfaces work. |
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| 20:12.13 | manic96 | chops: I am checking lspci output now...I can't paste anything because I have no network :-/ |
| 20:12.15 | chops | manic96: Can you pastebin the exact boot messages you're talking about, and also the output of lspci |
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| 20:12.21 | ribnitz | chops: how do I select the exerimental package over the sid one? |
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| 20:12.37 | manic96 | chops: I missed the part about /dev/eth0 while I was reading about modprobe |
| 20:12.47 | SPF | is there a way to detect a cdrom tray close ( e.g. tailing a specific file or setting a debug level ). Needed for bash script |
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| 20:12.55 | chops | ribnitz: aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel |
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| 20:13.08 | chops | ribnitz: Be careful, experimental may cause problems |
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| 20:13.36 | manic96 | chops: the card is listed in the lspci output |
| 20:13.54 | TaiSHi | I just tried to install debian with chroot |
| 20:14.03 | TaiSHi | I get PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device.. |
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| 20:14.29 | ribnitz | chops: I like breaking my system. |
| 20:14.32 | TaiSHi | Any ideas? |
| 20:14.42 | manic96 | chops: so now I'm just really confused. :-) it was easier when I thought the module wasn't loading right |
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| 20:14.53 | chops | manic96: What's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 20:16.14 | manic96 | chops: for eth0: auto eth0<newline>iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 20:16.39 | ribnitz | Ok... |
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| 20:16.59 | ribnitz | so how do I get the volume contorl on my usb headphone to work? |
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| 20:19.58 | manic96 | chops: there is also info for the loopback in there |
| 20:20.03 | chops | manic96: k |
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| 20:20.50 | chops | manic96: I'm honestly not sure what to tell you... without being able to look at pastebins, it's pretty hard to investigate. What you describe certainly is supposed to work. It might be worthwhile looking at 'ifconfig -a' to make sure that's it's not being renamed to eth1 or some strange thing like that. |
| 20:22.18 | jelly | is there a way to close a faulty bug report before it was even acknowledged? |
| 20:22.40 | SPF | I just found out how to control cdrom devices ( fyi : http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html ) |
| 20:22.45 | stew | jelly: you mean before you get the email back with the bug#? |
| 20:22.53 | jelly | stew: yes |
| 20:22.56 | stew | jelly: i doubt it |
| 20:23.57 | manic96 | chops: why yes, it looks like that might be the case... there is an eth1 that has the same interrupt as what lspci has listed as the irq for for the 3com card |
| 20:24.13 | stew | manic96: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 20:25.02 | feld | ok guys i thought this was a Xen problem but I'm having the same issue when I dont boot a Xen kernel --- extremely poor network performance. |
| 20:25.18 | feld | It happens with onboard Broadcome (bnx2) and Intel (e1000). |
| 20:25.21 | anom01y | is Debian better than ubuntu ? |
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| 20:25.33 | stew | anom01y: you'd have to be more specific |
| 20:25.47 | feld | Can't get more than like 45mbit transfer to the machine; swithc is a cisco 3750G and I have the port set to 1000 full |
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| 20:26.13 | feld | anom01y: debian is more stable. ubuntu is the same tools generally but more bleeding edge. |
| 20:26.25 | feld | use debian for a server. use ubuntu at your own risk on your desktop. |
| 20:26.32 | feld | that's my recommendation anyway |
| 20:26.37 | stew | feld: where are the bytes coming from that you are trying to transfer? |
| 20:26.52 | stew | feld: are you sure that wherever they are coming from can supply them fast enough to make your test valid? |
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| 20:26.59 | xinming | which package can be used to do auto hardware detection please? |
| 20:27.08 | feld | stew: a couple different workstations that are also hooked up to that same gigabit switch; linux and windows workstations (both have their network cards tuned) |
| 20:27.24 | feld | stew: yes to a CentOS 100mbit server i can max the 100mbit out |
| 20:27.25 | manic96 | my ersistent-net.rules file has 4 eth rules in it and I only have 1 card. Is ther a problem if I remove all the rues but the rule for eth0? |
| 20:27.48 | stew | feld: so you are coyping bytes from a centos server? |
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| 20:28.13 | feld | stew: no; i'm copying from local disk on my workstation to either the debian or centos servers |
| 20:28.30 | stew | feld: are you sure that you are able to get bits from the local disk fast enough? |
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| 20:28.42 | stew | feld: can you repeat the test with something like /dev/zero to see if the speed changes? |
| 20:28.42 | feld | I'm a networking guy and this is throwing me for a loop; I think this might be a debian bug |
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| 20:29.07 | feld | stew: if I can do 10.5MB to the CentOS server why can I only do 4.0MB to the debian GIGABIT server on two different NICs? |
| 20:29.10 | stew | manic96: remove anything you want. if you remove the file entirely it would be regenerated only with the currently present hardware |
| 20:29.19 | Laptop_Brain | hi, im having a kind of major problem with xrealvnc on etch... it has possibly the worlds biggest memory leak :( i watch it growing, and growing, and growing. it eats all 2gb ram and 1gb swap within 10 minutes. |
| 20:29.27 | Laptop_Brain | is this a known issue and where is it fixed? |
| 20:29.36 | stew | feld: i'm trying to help you determine that |
| 20:29.46 | stew | Laptop_Brain: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:30.10 | Laptop_Brain | thanks |
| 20:30.12 | feld | stew: cables are good; no other switches inbetween. used ethtool to force, even disable offloading |
| 20:30.43 | stew | feld: force what? |
| 20:30.56 | feld | force 1000 duplex and no autoneg |
| 20:31.02 | stew | feld: why did you have to force it? |
| 20:31.17 | feld | because sometimes you have to.... sometimes flaky nics, sometimes flaky switches |
| 20:31.22 | anom01y | does debian use kde 4 ? |
| 20:31.27 | stew | well a flaky nic could explain your problem |
| 20:31.31 | stew | anom01y: no |
| 20:31.33 | feld | they dont fully negotiate and it sits in a funky state and gets you terrible performance |
| 20:31.41 | stew | anom01y: well not yet |
| 20:31.47 | feld | I've seen this on some cisco switches |
| 20:31.53 | feld | so you force the settings at the switch port and the nic |
| 20:32.00 | feld | and 'voila', problem solved |
| 20:32.26 | stew | feld: i'd replace the flaky nics with non-flaky nics |
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| 20:33.05 | tatu | hey |
| 20:33.21 | feld | stew: yeah, that's not this situation. why would a $250 intel nic do this too? it's not just the broadcom onboard |
| 20:33.23 | tatu | could it be, that the X has some prob with the /dev/* devices? |
| 20:33.31 | stew | feld: if your nics aren't auto-negotiating to the correct speed, it definately sounds like a hardware problem not a software problem, and forcing the issue from software is not likely to get you good results |
| 20:33.35 | tatu | keyboard dont work in gdm login screen |
| 20:33.52 | tatu | if i delete everything in /dev/ how i get those things back? |
| 20:34.06 | tatu | is it generated automatically in install, or by kernel? |
| 20:34.17 | stew | tatu: are you running udev? |
| 20:34.20 | tatu | yes |
| 20:34.24 | manic96 | stew and chops: thanks for your help, it all works now |
| 20:34.33 | feld | stew: they ARE autonegotiating but sometimes they do it incorrectly; that's why i tried this option. I'm 100% sure this is a debian bug. No way this is happening on two separate nics on TWO different (IDENTICAL!) machines |
| 20:34.34 | stew | tatu: then they are created automatically by udev |
| 20:34.35 | tatu | 2.6.25.4 |
| 20:34.37 | tatu | oh |
| 20:34.42 | anom01y | what is the name of that channel that is ubuntu and debian ? |
| 20:34.49 | tatu | but now am on knoppix, and i still see them there |
| 20:34.56 | chops | manic96: np |
| 20:34.57 | tatu | so they are not deleted in shutdown, like /tmp is ? |
| 20:34.58 | manic96 | exit |
| 20:35.05 | anom01y | #linusers or something |
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| 20:35.11 | feld | stew: *sometimes nics do it incorrectly (i havent seen these do it) |
| 20:35.26 | stew | feld: i don't see how your hardware not auto-negotiating is a software problem |
| 20:35.37 | Laptop_Brain | can anyone offer me an alternative to xvnc, for running an X desktop remotely on a system that has no monitor or graphics card? |
| 20:35.42 | Laptop_Brain | im going to give up on xrealvnc. |
| 20:35.44 | feld | stew: they DO autonegotiate. did I say they didn't? |
| 20:35.49 | stew | feld: yes |
| 20:35.52 | feld | no I did not |
| 20:36.00 | feld | I said sometimes nics (in general) fail |
| 20:36.05 | feld | so I forced it as a last resort |
| 20:36.06 | Eulex | Laptop_Brain, xtightvncviewer |
| 20:36.18 | feld | the point is, it says it's connected at gigabit stew |
| 20:36.22 | feld | on 6 different nics |
| 20:36.25 | feld | it gets 40mbit |
| 20:36.31 | stew | feld: can you repeat your test with /dev/zero? |
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| 20:36.45 | feld | no other servers on this switch have issues |
| 20:36.51 | feld | stew: how would you like me to test with /dev/zero? |
| 20:36.56 | Laptop_Brain | Eulex: does it have a server that can act as an x server? |
| 20:37.07 | feld | I'm not aware of testing any network activity with /dev/zero, at least |
| 20:37.08 | stew | feld: try seeing how fast you can copy bytes from /dev/zero over the network |
| 20:37.21 | Eulex | Laptop_Brain, yes. |
| 20:37.28 | Laptop_Brain | i dont see it, is it under the viewer package? |
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| 20:37.33 | Eulex | tightvncserver |
| 20:37.42 | feld | stew: i could just try iperf.... |
| 20:37.43 | rahul | feld: debian is only told by the hardware what it autonegotiated |
| 20:37.46 | Laptop_Brain | ah thanks, just found it. |
| 20:38.05 | rahul | feld: try installing debian on a machine that gets the speed you want and see if it works for that |
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| 20:38.44 | rahul | feld: does your dmesg indicate what speed was autonegotiated? |
| 20:38.46 | feld | rahul: that completely defeats this purpose. I know gigabit works in debian.... the point is that it DOESNT work on these two identical servers. |
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| 20:38.55 | feld | rahul: yes |
| 20:39.08 | rahul | feld: so what does debian have to do with that? |
| 20:39.16 | feld | e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 20:39.55 | feld | rahul: debian is failing to work with this hardware correctly. that's the problem. |
| 20:39.58 | feld | it should have no issues with it |
| 20:40.04 | feld | it IS supported hardware |
| 20:40.06 | rahul | feld: debian has no issues with the hardware |
| 20:40.13 | feld | how can you say that rahul |
| 20:40.17 | Laptop_Brain | hmmmm |
| 20:40.23 | stew | feld: boot debian with the centos kernel |
| 20:40.28 | Laptop_Brain | drawing window regions is putting errors in my vnc log. |
| 20:40.34 | rahul | feld: how can you say it's debian if you never tried anything else? |
| 20:40.48 | Laptop_Brain | Xalloc error: Tail corrupt in Xfree() for big block (adr=0x....., val=0x0) |
| 20:40.49 | rahul | feld: and how can you say it's debian if the "same" hardware works fine in debian on other machines? |
| 20:40.51 | Laptop_Brain | anyone seen this before? |
| 20:41.03 | feld | rahul: i never said that |
| 20:41.14 | rahul | feld: " I know gigabit works in debian" |
| 20:41.25 | feld | that's a general statement |
| 20:41.28 | feld | I never said "on this hardware" |
| 20:41.36 | rahul | feld: so clearly debian is not the problem |
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| 20:41.48 | feld | HOLY SHIT rahul do you speak english? |
| 20:41.52 | Laptop_Brain | it seems that Xalloc error is the source of my leaks |
| 20:41.55 | rahul | feld: do you speak logic? |
| 20:41.57 | feld | 1) debian works on gigabit nics |
| 20:42.03 | feld | 2) debian supports my nics |
| 20:42.06 | stew | feld: stop |
| 20:42.18 | stew | feld: please don't use enter in place of punctuation |
| 20:42.19 | feld | 3) debian isn't working as it should on my nics. = PROBLEM. |
| 20:42.20 | rahul | feld: you have proven nothing about anything. |
| 20:42.32 | stew | feld: did this machine once run centos? |
| 20:42.38 | Eulex | feld, how do you know it isn't a hardware problem? |
| 20:42.39 | feld | stew: no |
| 20:42.45 | feld | Eulex: because it works in Windows |
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| 20:42.54 | stew | feld: at one time did you put this particular NIC into another machine? |
| 20:43.05 | feld | Eulex: it's a standard e1000 card. two of them in fact. they work. just not in debian apparently. |
| 20:43.17 | Eulex | feld, might be a kernel driver problem then |
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| 20:43.29 | rahul | feld: and those cards work fine in centos? |
| 20:43.38 | stew | feld: if you think this card is better supported by the centos kernel, try the centos kernel in your debian install |
| 20:43.40 | rahul | feld: with the same plugs and cabling? |
| 20:43.40 | feld | stew: i have two machines, okay? two dell 2950s. This means I have two onboard Broadcom and I have additionally an Intel (e1000) in each. Gigabit does not work on ANY |
| 20:43.53 | feld | rahul: different cables and switchports |
| 20:44.10 | stew | feld: i have 10 2950s and many e100s and gigabit works fine on debian with all of them |
| 20:44.24 | rahul | feld: do you want to solve something or are you just going to extrapolate from 2 datapoints out of a possible 16 or so? |
| 20:44.30 | stew | feld: but this doesn't really matter so much until you send me your nic to try |
| 20:44.31 | jelly | feld: first thing to do in that case after confirming the hardware works is, try a newer kernel |
| 20:45.07 | rahul | and your extrapolation merely indicates that you'll never get anything that works, so you might as well stop wasting time. |
| 20:45.24 | feld | stew: what kernel are you running? did you set anything with ethtool? did you tune in sysctl? |
| 20:45.59 | Laptop_Brain | hmmm |
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| 20:46.05 | Laptop_Brain | tightvncserver crashes. :/ |
| 20:46.17 | jelly | debian's unpatched 2.6.18 is quite old wrt driver versions. Centos 5 would use RHEL kernel sources, which get updated with new pciids and backported drivers. |
| 20:46.18 | stew | feld: i've tuned nothin in sysctl. i've run 2.6.8-x 2.6.12 2.6.16 2.6.17 2.6.18 2.6.21 2.6.22 and 2.6.24 on these machines without problems |
| 20:46.25 | stew | feld: i've never used ethtool |
| 20:47.00 | feld | unpatched 2.6.18? what's that supposed to mean? |
| 20:47.12 | stew | all debian kernels |
| 20:47.13 | jelly | feld: it means it's an old kernel. |
| 20:47.28 | rahul | it means that it's 2.6.18, not some hybrid like centos/rhel have |
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| 20:47.50 | feld | I wasn't aware they've ever had a hybrid. That's interesting news. |
| 20:47.54 | rahul | "ever"? |
| 20:47.57 | rahul | they ALWAYS do. |
| 20:48.02 | jelly | rahul: nothing wrong with updated drivers |
| 20:48.10 | stew | i'm talking about patched debian kernels, but i doubt that makes a difference |
| 20:48.12 | feld | rahul: calm down |
| 20:48.20 | rahul | feld: I am calm... |
| 20:48.30 | martian67 | http://www.nsa.gov/kids/ |
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| 20:49.01 | feld | I can believe that 2.6.18 isn't going to work well with the onboard Broadcom, but I'm not going to buy that it doesnt work with the e1000 |
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| 20:49.11 | rahul | feld: so it does work. |
| 20:49.14 | jelly | feld: redhat routinely backports drivers and some functionality. Check eg. RHEL 5.2 release notes on their site. Centos uses the very same sources. |
| 20:49.15 | stew | feld: 2.6.18 worked fine for me |
| 20:49.24 | rahul | feld: great. problem solved. now we can move on. |
| 20:49.36 | stew | feld: well let's back up then. what exactly is your question? |
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| 20:49.50 | Laptop_Brain | hmmmm |
| 20:51.22 | feld | my question is, why doesnt gigabit work lol and wtf am i supposed to do to get it to work? why can't i get over 40mbit out of it? |
| 20:51.22 | nano | www.nanopaprika.eu spicy world of nanoscience |
| 20:51.22 | Laptop_Brain | the Xalloc error is the cause of xrealvnc and tightvnc leaking craploads of ram. i get one of those messages for every render operation and a bunch of lost memory. |
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| 20:51.22 | rahul | feld: because something else is a limiting factor in the test you are using? |
| 20:51.22 | snacky | spammy world of nanospammer |
| 20:51.22 | stew | feld: yes, gigabit works. if it doesn't work, try replacing the hardware. or try a kernel known to work (like your centos kernel) |
| 20:51.23 | jelly | or troll. |
| 20:51.23 | rahul | feld: have you run the exact same test on the exact same hardware with another OS that supposedly works "correctly"? |
| 20:51.23 | feld | rahul: you're going on ignore you troll |
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| 20:51.23 | rahul | oooo name calling |
| 20:51.23 | feld | stew: thank you for trying to help |
| 20:51.31 | stew | rahul is suggesting the same thing i was suggesting at the very beginning, not trolling |
| 20:51.32 | feld | stew: okay, what are the chances that two 2950s and two e1000s would be broken? i find that hard to believe, dont you? |
| 20:51.38 | stew | no |
| 20:51.55 | stew | it also could be switches, cables... |
| 20:51.58 | rahul | stew: so why doesn't he get a ban for name calling? or is that treatment reserved for just me? |
| 20:52.06 | feld | the switches work with our other gigabit equipment just fine |
| 20:52.11 | feld | and i've tested these cables |
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| 20:52.34 | stew | feld: how long are the cables? |
| 20:52.36 | jelly | feld: do you have a cdrom on those machines, or a usb stick? |
| 20:52.39 | feld | 15 feet |
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| 20:52.50 | markybob | are you sure they're cat6 cables? |
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| 20:52.58 | feld | jelly: yes |
| 20:53.00 | jelly | markybob: or cat5e |
| 20:53.03 | stew | cat6 isnt' required for gigabit |
| 20:53.16 | rahul | stew: well? are you going to answer my question or should I assume that I'm just an inferior denizen of this channel? |
| 20:53.20 | feld | markybob: cat5e and they do about 80MB/s; same spool of cable |
| 20:53.30 | stew | rahul: i'm not going to answer your question |
| 20:53.55 | rahul | stew: ok, so you just think I deserve worse treatment than others. |
| 20:53.59 | stew | rahul: drop it |
| 20:54.02 | rahul | thanks for clearing that up |
| 20:54.36 | nano | http://www.nanopaprika.eu |
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| 20:55.17 | jelly | feld: download and install http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.2_i386.deb and see if it works better |
| 20:55.28 | rahul | yay. at least I'm not the absolute bottom of the chain of respect here. |
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| 20:55.53 | feld | i'm a network engineer; i am postive i've ruled out everything but linux specific tests. the environment is very controlled. I've even tried from server to server so it's not traveling out to the office (no idea on cable length there) |
| 20:56.01 | feld | jelly: thank you! |
| 20:56.29 | feld | jelly: is there an amd64 equiv of that? |
| 20:56.45 | jelly | feld: yes, browse the directory |
| 20:56.55 | jelly | feld: you have an amd64 installation? |
| 20:56.57 | feld | k, didnt know if it was somewhere else |
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| 20:58.16 | jelly | http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.2_amd64.deb sounds like it |
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| 20:58.27 | feld | jelly: just grabbed it |
| 20:59.09 | feld | i'm sorry for coming off as abrasive and angry, but this has been plaguing me for a while and i just want a damn answer :( I know you guys have to go through stuff carefully because you get a million and one noobs in here..... |
| 20:59.29 | jelly | feld: that kernel is a part of "/msg dpkg etchnhalf" update |
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| 20:59.58 | feld | k im rebooting the server now... going to try that kernel |
| 21:00.03 | jelly | good luck |
| 21:00.11 | feld | if this fixes it i'm screwed |
| 21:00.44 | feld | because i'm supposed to be running Xen on this and vanilla and xen act the same way |
| 21:01.02 | fr00g | hi, i have installed tomcat5. i wish to use remote java application(in eclipse). where (in which file) should i add the debug startup options? |
| 21:01.07 | jelly | well, there's a xen enabled build as well, but at least you'll be able to fetch it with apt |
| 21:01.32 | jelly | err |
| 21:01.34 | jelly | lies |
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| 21:02.05 | feld | this just blows my mind how an e1000 could act this way; i've never had that before |
| 21:02.07 | jelly | feld: I see no *xen* builds in there; sounds like custom kernel time, then |
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| 21:02.23 | feld | jelly: right, which is why i walked away from Gentoo 5 years ago hah |
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| 21:02.38 | jelly | feld: at least on debian you only need to build a kernel |
| 21:02.46 | feld | yeah |
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| 21:03.10 | TuniX12 | hello |
| 21:03.18 | feld | doing that just makes me uneasy; i have to watch so closely for security updates, etc |
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| 21:03.37 | sinisterporpoise | okay, can anyone help with a wireless netowrking problem? I'm running Debian Etch and have the driver installed through ndiswrapper. I cannot cnnect to the Internet however |
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| 21:03.59 | TuniX12 | any tunisian here? |
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| 21:04.23 | sinisterporpoise | lights are on, but it seems an IP address isn't being assigned to my laptop by the router |
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| 21:05.44 | sinisterporpoise | anyone have any clue how to get this ancient laptop from the dark days of the 1990 working in Debian? |
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| 21:06.31 | stew | sinisterporpoise: what cpu does it have? |
| 21:06.41 | sinisterporpoise | Pentium II 366 |
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| 21:07.01 | sinisterporpoise | I can get it working in Ubuntu just fine... but Ubuntu is wonky on the system |
| 21:07.05 | Eulex | sinisterporpoise, how much ram? |
| 21:07.13 | sinisterporpoise | 128 mb.... |
| 21:07.26 | Eulex | what nic is this? |
| 21:07.47 | sinisterporpoise | it's a Belkin Wireless G Version 7, wrapped with the realtek 8185 chipset driver. |
| 21:07.59 | Saar | please check: http://pastebin.com/d16a7ac9e My question is how to resolve this? The files it complains about do not exist |
| 21:08.19 | TuniX12 | sinisterporpoise: i just dont want to configure Debian |
| 21:08.26 | TuniX12 | return to ubuntu |
| 21:08.35 | sinisterporpoise | (which I think does have native support in Sid.) |
| 21:08.58 | pasky | Hi, how do I silence the "==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation." prompt? I want it to always go with the original config file version (I will mass-patch it later). export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive does not help. |
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| 21:09.21 | Eulex | sinisterporpoise, you could always try a newer kernel. |
| 21:09.26 | Eulex | like the etchnhalf one |
| 21:09.38 | sinisterporpoise | not an option, Tunix, at least not until I get more memory |
| 21:10.02 | TuniX12 | sinisterporpoise: try xubuntu |
| 21:10.05 | sinisterporpoise | considering everything is up and running except that I can't connect to the Internet, it suggests that the problem is not necessarily the driver |
| 21:10.35 | Eulex | have you received an ip? |
| 21:10.40 | Bushmills | sinisterporpoise: you said "no ip address" |
| 21:10.50 | sinisterporpoise | It won't get an IP.... if I"m reading this right. |
| 21:10.56 | sinisterporpoise | I'd tried dhclient wlan0 |
| 21:11.14 | Eulex | sinisterporpoise, are you connected to the access point? |
| 21:11.38 | sinisterporpoise | I believe so, but as I'm not entirely sure, how do I find that out? My desktop obviously is |
| 21:11.49 | Eulex | iwconfig |
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| 21:12.21 | sinisterporpoise | access point: 00:0f:66:34:A6:D^ |
| 21:12.29 | sinisterporpoise | freaking Pidgin |
| 21:12.43 | Eulex | so you're associated with it |
| 21:12.43 | sinisterporpoise | access point 00 0F 66 34 A6 D6 |
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| 21:12.49 | Eulex | does it have any encryption? |
| 21:12.49 | sinisterporpoise | yes |
| 21:12.56 | sinisterporpoise | no |
| 21:13.03 | Eulex | ok |
| 21:13.10 | Eulex | well, 'should just work' then |
| 21:13.17 | sinisterporpoise | do you want me to run the same command from the desktop? |
| 21:13.34 | Eulex | emh. what diff would that make? |
| 21:13.35 | Bushmills | sinisterporpoise: can you ping your wlan router? |
| 21:13.43 | Eulex | without an ip? |
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| 21:14.12 | Bushmills | your nic seems to see the router. so i'm not sure yet that it has no ip address |
| 21:14.21 | sinisterporpoise | I'm not sure, that would be the access point? |
| 21:14.33 | Eulex | check with ifconfig whether you have an ip |
| 21:14.39 | Bushmills | your wlan router |
| 21:14.52 | sinisterporpoise | no, the laptop does not |
| 21:15.02 | Laptop_Brain | hmmmmm |
| 21:15.09 | Laptop_Brain | Eulex: when you use the vnc server do you use it on 64 bit? |
| 21:15.12 | Laptop_Brain | it seems to have 64 bit issues |
| 21:15.16 | Laptop_Brain | im running it on a 64 bit sparc |
| 21:15.36 | Bushmills | sinisterporpoise: is there another nic in the machine? |
| 21:15.40 | sinisterporpoise | apparently neither does the desktop, but the Desktop is running Ubuntu and uses a card that is supported |
| 21:15.40 | Laptop_Brain | there are similar bugs in xvnc, its unusable for me :( |
| 21:15.48 | sinisterporpoise | there is, unless I"m mistaken some weird firewire setup |
| 21:15.52 | Eulex | Laptop_Brain, uh, no, Ii've neither run it on 64-bit nor sparc |
| 21:16.01 | pasky | (never mind, found http://www.nabble.com/avoid-conf-file-overwrite-message--td15626248.html) |
| 21:16.03 | sinisterporpoise | but at the moment, no |
| 21:16.08 | Bushmills | maybe dhclient broadcasts dhcp request on the wrong interface |
| 21:16.10 | Eulex | Laptop_Brain, file bugs. |
| 21:16.44 | Laptop_Brain | Eulex: im not sure the bugs are debians to fix |
| 21:16.57 | Laptop_Brain | i'll file it upstream |
| 21:17.08 | Eulex | they would propagate them upstream if they aren't |
| 21:17.14 | Eulex | but yeah, you could do eitehr |
| 21:17.26 | sinisterporpoise | outpout Lisenening on LPF/wlan0/00:17:3f:2e:1f:5d |
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| 21:17.50 | sinisterporpoise | "No working leaseses in persistent database - sleeping" after No DHCPOFFERS received |
| 21:18.08 | mintee | which php package contains the actual php console interpreter? |
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| 21:18.34 | Bushmills | fix your router dhcp config |
| 21:18.34 | Ulrask | Hello there |
| 21:18.49 | mintee | i'm looking for /usr/bin/php |
| 21:18.54 | sinisterporpoise | okay and as I"m rediscovering Linux after toying with Redhat ten years ago, how is that achieved? |
| 21:19.00 | stew | mintee: php5-cli |
| 21:19.07 | Bushmills | ehm. no requests before? |
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| 21:19.36 | Saar | anyone? /j #ubuntu |
| 21:19.39 | Saar | oops |
| 21:19.42 | Ulrask | Do you know of any GUI for X ? I am planning to go multi screen, with 5 differents graphic cards to handle all the screens and I don't feel like learning xorg.conf structure in depth |
| 21:20.00 | mintee | thanks starscalling |
| 21:20.04 | mintee | err stew |
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| 21:20.20 | sinisterporpoise | I don't think so. |
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| 21:20.39 | Bushmills | sinisterporpoise: you can call dhclient with interface name |
| 21:21.18 | sinisterporpoise | yes, just rebooted. It had eth0 as an interface for some reason.... |
| 21:21.36 | sinisterporpoise | it broadcasts a dhcp request to 255.255.255.2555 and gets nothing |
| 21:21.52 | sinisterporpoise | on wlan0 |
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| 21:23.48 | Nyle | Bushmills, did you get my last hilight |
| 21:24.03 | Bushmills | Nyle, when was that? |
| 21:24.12 | Nyle | regarding image quality in cam pics |
| 21:24.32 | Bushmills | Nyle, last i remember having seen from you was affirming proper working of video |
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| 21:25.08 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:25.32 | Bushmills | but i was afk for an hour |
| 21:25.40 | sinisterporpoise | okay, it's still sending out DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 and not getting anything back |
| 21:26.11 | sinisterporpoise | wonders if there's a package that needs to be installed that he's missing |
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| 21:26.39 | Nyle | 04:07 < Nyle> Bushmills, http://picpaste.com/4.png <- I can't seem to get a better quality than this for image |
| 21:26.42 | Nyle | 04:08 < Nyle> Bushmills, any advice |
| 21:26.53 | Nyle | yeh i feel asleep too |
| 21:26.54 | Nyle | :D |
| 21:26.55 | Bushmills | sinisterporpoise: i doubt that. the request is sent. that's all it can do - it's up to the dhcp server on the router to respond |
| 21:27.15 | sinisterporpoise | it's still odd that one os can detect it and not another |
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| 21:28.34 | sinisterporpoise | well, that suggests it's a problem with the router itself |
| 21:28.53 | Bushmills | Nyle, with these colours? |
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| 21:29.41 | Nyle | how do i fix the picture quality so its good |
| 21:29.49 | Nyle | colors and all, where do i control all those things? |
| 21:30.01 | Nyle | gqcam software sliders are greyd out |
| 21:30.14 | sinisterporpoise | well, looks like that's as far as I'm going to get with Debian Etch. |
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| 21:32.26 | Bushmills | Nyle, can't say you look especially ... healthy .. with that blue skin |
| 21:32.32 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 21:32.35 | Nyle | true true |
| 21:33.09 | Bushmills | is there red channel missing? |
| 21:33.18 | Nyle | all sliders are dead |
| 21:33.20 | Bushmills | take a shot of three base colours |
| 21:33.22 | Nyle | contrast, color, etc. etc. |
| 21:33.34 | Nyle | letme see |
| 21:33.58 | Bushmills | hmm no. the pic contains white |
| 21:34.03 | Nyle | ohhh |
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| 21:34.06 | Nyle | brightness was on autoscale |
| 21:34.15 | Nyle | so everything was auto and nothing ... nm i got it |
| 21:34.22 | Nyle | thanks for the idea |
| 21:34.40 | Nyle | looking good now |
| 21:34.45 | Bushmills | 'k |
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| 21:36.41 | Saar | how can i tell a package to be ignored by apt-get? |
| 21:36.52 | Saar | uhm tell apt-get to ignore a package |
| 21:37.01 | Bushmills | sar, what branch? |
| 21:37.22 | Saar | ugh ubuntu 8.04, sorry |
| 21:37.29 | Saar | not my machine :-| |
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| 21:38.18 | Bushmills | can't say anything about ubuntu - i don't know it |
| 21:39.01 | Saar | ok, but how would you do it in debian? :) |
| 21:39.19 | Bushmills | hm.. maybe apt-inject packagename |
| 21:39.36 | Saar | on etch |
| 21:39.47 | Bushmills | or was that gentoo |
| 21:40.06 | Saar | maybe apt-mark? |
| 21:40.25 | Bushmills | good idea. try man apt-mark |
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| 21:41.37 | Bushmills | i'm afraid i'm starting to confuse distributions. |
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| 21:44.38 | Laptop_Brain | ok ive found a solution to my vnc problem i think, and i think i will file a bug. vncserver does not work properly on 64 bit, vnc4server does. |
| 21:44.52 | Laptop_Brain | so one of them should be blocked from installation and the other recommended in its place, imho |
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| 21:46.08 | pluesch0r | evening! |
| 21:46.20 | pluesch0r | what do i need to do to move an lvm volume to a different vg? |
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| 21:47.16 | Bushmills | dpkg, rules_sucks is distribution rules/sucks ratio at http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rule_or_suck.png |
| 21:47.16 | dpkg | ...but rules_sucks is already something else... |
| 21:47.24 | Bushmills | oh really? |
| 21:48.34 | jelly | wtf |
| 21:48.59 | Nyle | Bushmills, great success |
| 21:49.17 | Nyle | Bushmills, look at me now |
| 21:49.17 | Bushmills | strange. tried to teach that to dpkg before, and it complained about "(18:22:09) dpkg: i'm not going to learn illegal characters" |
| 21:49.25 | Nyle | Bushmills, http://picpaste.com/6.png |
| 21:49.36 | Nyle | im not blue any more |
| 21:49.41 | Bushmills | no. green now |
| 21:49.42 | Nyle | blue daba dee daba dye |
| 21:49.54 | Nyle | Bushmills, still adjusting colors but tis better then before |
| 21:49.57 | Nyle | than* |
| 21:49.58 | pluesch0r | unfortunately, etch doesn't contain lvmove. :( |
| 21:50.01 | \amethyst | Nyle: for the longest time I though that song said "I believe I will die" |
| 21:50.14 | Nyle | \amethyst, hahaha |
| 21:50.20 | Nyle | is cracking up |
| 21:50.33 | Nyle | hahaha you serious man? lol. |
| 21:50.48 | Nyle | it kinda does sound like that |
| 21:50.55 | \amethyst | Nyle: well, I wasn't expecting nonsense syllables, so my brain tried really hard to parse it :) |
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| 21:51.14 | Nyle | \amethyst, well, you have to expect that with pop music mate |
| 21:51.19 | Nyle | its all nonsense |
| 21:51.22 | Nyle | mostly. |
| 21:51.45 | trifler | I want my urxvt to be somewhat see through what's the correct word for that :S |
| 21:52.05 | Bushmills | trifler: transparency |
| 21:52.14 | Bushmills | or opacity |
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| 21:52.29 | Nyle | trifler, man urxvt and specify the resource in .Xresources |
| 21:52.44 | Nyle | i forgot whats its called something alpha maybe.. |
| 21:53.35 | Bushmills | useless screen candy which makes window contents harder to read |
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| 21:54.16 | Bushmills | though it can be useful when resizing or moving a window |
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| 21:55.44 | trifler | Nyle: Hmm I can't find a "real" transpertet option |
| 21:55.55 | Nyle | \amethyst, that could also go for the I believie song.. I believe I will die, I bleive I'll never touch the sky, I know I'll be burried deeeeep, I'll decompose while I sleep |
| 21:55.59 | Nyle | la de da de daaaaaaa |
| 21:56.02 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 21:56.31 | Nyle | trifler, I use konsole now so I forgot plus I've only ever used xterm |
| 21:57.15 | adv | i don't have ls colors |
| 21:57.32 | Nyle | adv, alias ls='ls --color=always' |
| 21:57.33 | adv | and adding it to .bashrc doesn't have effect cause i'm not using a tty |
| 21:57.46 | adv | it works for that session |
| 21:57.54 | adv | how do i make it permanent |
| 21:58.08 | Nyle | put it in .bashrc and source in bash_profile? |
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| 21:58.27 | Nyle | im not sure what your problem is |
| 21:58.49 | feld | stew: i was able to solve the problem. it wasn't debian/linux related, but you helped lead me to it anyway. thanks again. |
| 21:58.51 | trifler | Nyle: Ok |
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| 21:58.55 | Nyle | adv, even in X, you can simply type source ~/.bashrc |
| 21:59.09 | Nyle | it will readload your bashrc file and voila, ls alias will give color in X or tty |
| 21:59.11 | adv | Nyle: doesn't work cause i'm not spawning a terminal |
| 21:59.13 | Nyle | it should anyway |
| 21:59.20 | Nyle | adv, ok |
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| 22:00.10 | Nyle | where are you doing ls? |
| 22:00.57 | adv | it's a VPS it's complicated |
| 22:01.09 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 22:01.12 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:01.47 | adv | is there another way? |
| 22:01.50 | adv | env var maybe? |
| 22:01.59 | Nyle | not sure. |
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| 22:06.30 | karsten | adv: Could be your .bashrc tests for a non-shell / noninteractive session and bypasses processing, so you don't get aliases. |
| 22:06.42 | karsten | adv: What *are* you using if not a tty? |
| 22:07.00 | karsten | adv: ... .bashrc is sourced for *every* new Bash instance, unless a no-init option is passed. |
| 22:07.39 | adv | karsten: hm i'm using bash but i log in with the vm cli tool |
| 22:07.40 | karsten | adv: That is the "--noprofile" option: bash --noprofile |
| 22:07.46 | karsten | adv: Doesn't matter. |
| 22:07.59 | karsten | adv: What is a vm cli tool? |
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| 22:08.43 | adv | something that lets you enter a vm |
| 22:08.50 | Nyle | !ping |
| 22:08.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:08.54 | adv | and type commands as if you were there |
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| 22:09.00 | Nyle | Lag: 63 (??) |
| 22:09.08 | adv | karsten: if i manually source .bashrc it works |
| 22:09.28 | Nyle | uff. |
| 22:09.28 | Nyle | hate these hacked wifi nets, never reliable |
| 22:09.35 | Nyle | my cable won't get hooked up until saturday |
| 22:10.21 | karsten | adv: Um, what VM tool / system are you using? |
| 22:10.31 | adv | karsten: virtuozzo |
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| 22:11.11 | karsten | adv: ... and what I said. RTFM bash. ~/.bashrc is sourced for *all* Bash instances. There's something bailing you out of it, or preventing it from executing. I'd try putting some "echo" statements in my .bashrc, logging in, and seeing which do or don't print. |
| 22:11.16 | karsten | adv: OK. |
| 22:11.41 | karsten | adv: Read that manual as well and see how it invokes bash. So long as you're on *some* sort of terminal (tty/pty) you should see .bashrc sourced. |
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| 22:14.55 | kevind23 | My keyboard has extra buttons at the top, and I'd like to use them to control my media player (amarok), but KeyTouch for some reason kills my home key and I don't know of any alternatives. |
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| 22:15.41 | Bushmills | kevind23: hotkeys |
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| 22:16.17 | kevind23 | Is it possible to assign them with xmodmap? |
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| 22:17.15 | Saar | fuck, had to hand edit xorg-driver-fglrx.postrm and comment out all dpkg-divert entries |
| 22:17.36 | rkroetch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.46 | amphi | kevind23: do they generate keycodes/syms in xev? |
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| 22:21.08 | kevind23 | No, but I probably need to reboot since keytouch is weird like that. I removed it though |
| 22:21.24 | sladi | hi, can I connect two computers via a router and netboot with pxe on one of them (one is aserver, the other the client)? |
| 22:21.39 | adv | karsten: thanks it was sourcing ~/.bashrc but $HOME was / |
| 22:21.44 | adv | not /root |
| 22:21.45 | adv | :) |
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| 22:27.41 | adv | how can i set $HOME |
| 22:27.43 | adv | for root? |
| 22:27.51 | adv | permanently |
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| 22:28.26 | azeem | adv: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:29.30 | Bushmills | adv, usermod |
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| 22:30.14 | adv | my root's home is set to / instead of /root |
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| 22:31.30 | azeem | adv: you could try to carefully edit /etc/passwd, maybe |
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| 22:31.54 | adv | /etc/passwd has the right entry |
| 22:31.57 | adv | $HOME is wrong |
| 22:32.14 | bolt | adv: then check your login scripts |
| 22:32.14 | azeem | adv: then /root wasn't available when root logged in |
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| 22:33.01 | sladi | cu |
| 22:33.19 | adv | could it be that i have done usermod -L root? |
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| 22:33.41 | Bushmills | shall we tell you? or you us? |
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| 22:33.52 | KukMan_ | Hi |
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| 22:34.56 | adv | Bushmills: you :) |
| 22:35.04 | Nyle | hey guys, how can I record video from webcam, /dev/video is functional. |
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| 22:35.14 | adv | xvidcap? |
| 22:35.15 | feydreva | hello :) |
| 22:35.22 | Bushmills | maybe, just tell us whether you did that or not. drop the "maybe" |
| 22:35.28 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:35.31 | adv | i did that |
| 22:35.35 | Bushmills | so we don't need to guess |
| 22:35.42 | adv | i mean is that responsible for that? |
| 22:36.24 | Nyle | adv, i don't think thats what I'm looking for is it? to record v4l video from /dev/video? |
| 22:36.31 | Bushmills | that should invalidate root password |
| 22:36.46 | adv | Nyle: i don't know but it records from your screen |
| 22:36.47 | KukMan_ | I have a cd with debian lenny (with bad packages) and good iso image of debian lenny. How to install a debain without burning good iso on cd? I have a Windows and no linux partition (I wish destroy disk C and E, and mount it on linux) |
| 22:36.47 | Bushmills | but not affect root home dir |
| 22:36.59 | Nyle | no i don't need that :) thanks though |
| 22:37.26 | Nyle | hmm, google informs me that mplayer can playblack /dev/video and maybe then I can dump it out as mpeg or something |
| 22:37.29 | Nyle | word. |
| 22:37.29 | adv | Bushmills: it's a custom debian install that i didn't do. what should i look for that is responsible for the home change |
| 22:37.50 | KukMan_ | Is it possible? |
| 22:39.24 | Nyle | bad packages? |
| 22:39.45 | Bushmills | adv, verify. do su - from user account, check $HOME. then, do su from user account. check again. set to / in both cases? |
| 22:39.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:39.53 | Nyle | KukMan_, I see what you mean |
| 22:40.15 | Nyle | KukMan_, you should download hd-media installer image |
| 22:40.19 | Nyle | you can also boot it fromwindow |
| 22:40.21 | adv | pushd $rootdir > /dev/null |
| 22:40.22 | adv | that? |
| 22:40.36 | Nyle | KukMan_, if I understand you correctly, you want to completely get rid of your windows disks and reformat/reinstall linux? |
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| 22:41.04 | Nyle | KukMan_, /msg dpkg debian.exe |
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| 22:41.20 | Nyle | KukMan_, then download the hd-media installer kernel/initrd and place inside c:\ |
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| 22:41.32 | Bushmills | adv, then, as root, execute cd ; pwd |
| 22:41.33 | KukMan_ | Nyle, one moment, I shall translate you text on my mother tounge ) |
| 22:41.48 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 22:41.48 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 22:42.29 | Nyle | KukMan_, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 22:42.31 | adv | Bushmills: it's correct it says /root |
| 22:42.38 | adv | so it must be another problem |
| 22:42.44 | Nyle | KukMan_, you need vmlinuz and initrd.gz from this link |
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| 22:42.58 | KukMan_ | thx |
| 22:43.07 | Nyle | KukMan_, 1) /msg dpkg debian.exe (download debian.exe and install it on windows |
| 22:43.15 | Nyle | KukMan_, download the files I told you to |
| 22:43.43 | Nyle | KukMan_, make sure to replace the kernel/initrd debian.exe downloaded for you |
| 22:44.03 | Nyle | KukMan_, read the installation guide and edit your c:\menu.lst accordingly |
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| 22:44.22 | Nyle | KukMan_, place the good .iso file inside c:\ |
| 22:44.46 | Nyle | KukMan_, during debian install, do not wipe c:\ drive partition. wipe other, install debian and after you're done THEN you can delete C: |
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| 22:45.02 | Nyle | otherwise if you delete it, iso won't be there anymore |
| 22:45.24 | KukMan_ | big thx |
| 22:45.41 | Nyle | or if you are savvy enough, in a nutshell, you need grub for NT, then you can follow the install guide section on how to isntall debian from a currently running computer |
| 22:45.45 | Nyle | KukMan_, sure |
| 22:45.59 | Nyle | !ig |
| 22:45.59 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 22:46.31 | Nyle | KukMan_, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 22:47.55 | Nyle | KukMan_, if this seems too much trouble, simply install debian.exe and let it do the work for you |
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| 22:48.10 | psilocyb1n | eh |
| 22:48.12 | Nyle | KukMan_, if your internet is fast, you need no iso or special hd-media booter |
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| 22:48.22 | legis | If I want 64bit for a dualcore xeon should I use the amd64 port or the IA64? |
| 22:48.26 | psilocyb1n | now i have prob, "cannot open font 'fixed'" |
| 22:48.33 | Nyle | ia64 for xeon no? |
| 22:48.47 | psilocyb1n | x11 |
| 22:48.47 | \amethyst | Nyle: no, ia64 is itanium |
| 22:48.49 | Nyle | amd64 is for em64t based intel cpu |
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| 22:48.52 | Nyle | oh itanium thats right |
| 22:49.03 | Nyle | !fixed |
| 22:49.03 | dpkg | fixed font is probably if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 22:49.14 | \amethyst | legis: if it's a 64-bit Xeon, then amd64 |
| 22:49.19 | azeem | Nyle: ugh |
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| 22:49.27 | Nyle | azeem, what did I do? |
| 22:49.33 | azeem | 00:44 < Nyle> ia64 for xeon no? |
| 22:49.39 | psilocyb1n | ah thx |
| 22:49.39 | Nyle | brain fart |
| 22:49.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:49.47 | azeem | yah, np |
| 22:49.57 | legis | \amethyst: Ok, is the default kernel smp capable? |
| 22:49.59 | azeem | just ughing a bit |
| 22:50.07 | Nyle | its alright |
| 22:50.11 | \amethyst | legis: the -686 kernel is, the -486 is not |
| 22:50.11 | Nyle | I felt ugh all day yesterday |
| 22:50.20 | \amethyst | legis: the amd64 kernel is |
| 22:50.23 | Nyle | well, not literally all day :) |
| 22:50.28 | hetOrakel | hi, i created a tap1 interface and a bridge for virtualbox but there is only ipv6 enabled on these devices, how can i get ip4 get to work? |
| 22:50.36 | legis | \amethyst: Ok thanks. |
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| 22:52.08 | KukMan_ | nyle, very big thx.. ) |
| 22:52.14 | Nyle | how big? |
| 22:52.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:52.26 | Nyle | THIIIIISSS BIIIIIG? |
| 22:52.27 | psilocyb1n | warning: /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/Type1 doesn't exist or is not a directory |
| 22:52.36 | psilocyb1n | why doesn't it create those directories itself? |
| 22:52.37 | psilocyb1n | doh. |
| 22:54.13 | KukMan_ | Nyle, I wont reformat C for / and E for /home. I can make so using netinstall? (I'm reading guide now) ? |
| 22:54.40 | Nyle | KukMan_, if you plan on using the ISO, then place the ISO on a partition that you will not delete during installation |
| 22:54.58 | KukMan_ | ok |
| 22:55.01 | Nyle | KukMan_, if you have fast internet, and use netinstall instead of ISO, you can feel free to wipe both partitions anytime during install |
| 22:55.13 | KukMan_ | I can boot from C using iso on D and then wipe C? |
| 22:55.18 | KukMan_ | Can I* |
| 22:55.28 | Nyle | sure |
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| 22:55.40 | KukMan_ | o. this is good news ) |
| 22:56.12 | Nyle | KukMan_, beware |
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| 22:56.28 | Nyle | KukMan_, if the installation fails for any reason, you will not have an OS on your system |
| 22:56.42 | Nyle | it is wise to leave windows on C: until debian is installed successfully |
| 22:56.52 | KukMan_ | but I have second comp ) |
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| 22:58.07 | soblue | Is it normal for readdir() to return directory files (. and ..)? I'm working on the moon-lander source package and it seems to assume that . and .. will never show up, even though they do on my system. |
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| 22:59.55 | Rayne|aedion | is it secure to install only the "standard" modules on a server in the internet? i want to add openssh (and secure it with configuration) and later apache. |
| 22:59.57 | soblue | The readdir(3) manpage doesn't say whether or not . and .. should be returned either. |
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| 23:01.52 | KukMan_ | Nyle, Where is I shall write path to the ISO? In guide write, that in grub.cfg wrtie only path to initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
| 23:02.05 | soblue | also not sure of the proper terminology for the . and .. which are in every directory |
| 23:02.11 | Nyle | KukMan_, no need |
| 23:02.25 | Nyle | KukMan_, its a special kernel/initrd that will search your disks for debian iso files |
| 23:02.50 | Nyle | it will find the iso on your ntfs disk automatically |
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| 23:03.00 | Nyle | mount it and install and so forth |
| 23:03.04 | KukMan_ | ok. Is it normal, that kernel on C and iso on D? |
| 23:03.10 | Nyle | sure |
| 23:03.16 | KukMan_ | k..good) |
| 23:03.17 | KukMan_ | ok* |
| 23:04.00 | soblue | hello? does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 23:04.29 | \amethyst | soblue: yes, I think it's normal for readdir to return . and .. |
| 23:05.12 | soblue | \amethyst: good, then I have a genuine bug to submit on moon-lander.. I'll prepare the diff and send it in the bug report |
| 23:05.38 | soblue | thanks |
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| 23:06.26 | angelblade | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/06/gates.html |
| 23:06.27 | \amethyst | soblue: POSIX calls them "special filenames" |
| 23:06.54 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 23:07.42 | stew | angelblade: wrong channel |
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| 23:08.30 | angelblade | Uhhmm?? sorry i had a url on buffer before ctrl+V :) |
| 23:09.13 | poseidon | Anyone know of a good 3d game/graphics engine? |
| 23:09.23 | Nyle | OGRE 3D |
| 23:09.31 | Nyle | Crystal Space |
| 23:09.39 | Nyle | poseidon, check on happy penguin |
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| 23:10.08 | Titan | how do I change etch to sid |
| 23:10.13 | Nyle | you shouldn't |
| 23:10.20 | Nyle | Titan, what do you need from sid? |
| 23:10.23 | Titan | I know but I have purely testing server |
| 23:10.32 | Titan | new packages, like fedora |
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| 23:10.44 | Nyle | !upgrade to sid |
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| 23:10.53 | Nyle | !sid upgrade |
| 23:10.53 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 23:11.10 | Titan | lol cute is he bot? |
| 23:11.13 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 23:11.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 23:11.33 | Titan | I don't like outdated stuff |
| 23:11.41 | Nyle | !lenny |
| 23:11.41 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
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| 23:12.02 | poseidon | Titan, etch is not outdated. Sid just has better development libraries (which is why I use it). |
| 23:12.20 | Titan | yeah and I am doing a lot of make so .. how do I make sid default |
| 23:12.44 | poseidon | Titan, you mean simply the make command? |
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| 23:13.22 | Titan | yes but I also need latest packages (particularly lighttpd) |
| 23:13.42 | poseidon | Titan /msg dpkg backports |
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| 23:15.18 | Titan | I been to that page before never seen this section thanks |
| 23:15.40 | aryr100 | hello all |
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| 23:15.45 | Titan | I think fedora is more suitable for my purposes |
| 23:16.18 | aryr100 | could anyone tell whats the cmd for grubconfig in debian ? |
| 23:17.54 | Deezire | Huhu, downloading debs manually over my neighbours wlan, putting them on a usb stick and installing them. |
| 23:18.00 | Deezire | Damn you shitty ISP! |
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| 23:18.34 | markybob | ata1.00: error: { UNC } oh, that's great. fuck |
| 23:20.13 | poseidon | Deezire, what are you trying to install? |
| 23:20.51 | poseidon | It might be on the dvd/cd repos. |
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| 23:22.09 | doublehp_ | startx => "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." how do I correct this problem ? |
| 23:22.23 | Deezire | poseidon: Problem is, i only have netinst-file, so im stuck there too |
| 23:22.53 | stew | doublehp_: are you trying to run startx when you are logged in via ssh or something? |
| 23:23.03 | stew | doublehp_: or is it on a console? |
| 23:23.23 | poseidon | Deezire, get a friend to burn the dvd's for you so you can keep them on hand. |
| 23:23.29 | doublehp_ | stew: ssh, root can, user cant :'( but, u r right, I ll try user localy |
| 23:23.35 | Deezire | Yeah, at 0100 |
| 23:23.38 | Deezire | :p |
| 23:23.41 | stew | doublehp_: "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" you need "anybody" not just "console users" |
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| 23:24.19 | skreech | Hiya |
| 23:24.26 | skreech | When is Lenny coming out? |
| 23:24.47 | stew | skreech: when the number of release critical bugs in lenny is zero |
| 23:24.59 | skreech | stew: :-) |
| 23:25.06 | stew | skreech: /msg dpkg wwlr |
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| 23:25.35 | doublehp_ | stew: thx |
| 23:25.39 | skreech | ah cool :) |
| 23:25.46 | skreech | good time frame |
| 23:25.54 | skreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.01 | Decepticon | how much to spend on a pci wireless b/g card that has compatbility with linux? is there something that will beat http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008 |
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| 23:26.25 | stew | skreech: given the current trend with release critical bugs, hitting the september estimate is not likely |
| 23:26.25 | skreech | Decepticon: More than meets the Eye |
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| 23:26.40 | Deezire | Decepticon: Grab anything from intel. |
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| 23:26.49 | Decepticon | $17+shipping, can it be beat? |
| 23:26.53 | KukMan | nyle, :'( |
| 23:27.07 | skreech | stew: can I grab an install CD or netinstall for Lenny? |
| 23:27.08 | linkslice | how do I turn on more amavis child processes? |
| 23:27.14 | KukMan | bot from kernel, but it can;t find iso |
| 23:27.23 | KukMan | maybe, it can't read the ntfs? |
| 23:27.29 | KukMan | boot* |
| 23:27.50 | stew | skreech: there is a beta installer at http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer if it works it would be the fastest way, but it is beta, the way more guaranteed to work is to install etch and upgrade |
| 23:28.01 | stew | skreech: note, running lenny on a server is a bad idea |
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| 23:29.35 | skreech | stew: ok. It's mostly for testing in any case |
| 23:29.48 | skreech | Faster bugs are found and squashed eh? |
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| 23:30.21 | stew | hopefully |
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| 23:32.26 | trifler | boo why does xcompmgr has to be so slow.. I really liked that :( |
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| 23:33.23 | BubbaT | I just tried to install flash on my lenny amd64 computer, I was told that it would not work on that architecture. Is there something I can do? |
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| 23:35.18 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: use gnash instead |
| 23:35.31 | n3kl | Is there a way to rotate a monitor, so rather than horizontal, it is vertical? |
| 23:35.39 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: use xrandr |
| 23:36.05 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: can it be done from the xorg.conf. Its all well and good once I am logged in, but how bout from xdm? |
| 23:36.14 | BubbaT | n3kl, depends on the monitor. |
| 23:36.27 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: depends; you can easily drop it into the script that runs before xdm starts |
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| 23:36.42 | BubbaT | Oh you mean the image, not the monitor itself. Sorry. |
| 23:36.49 | n3kl | right |
| 23:37.07 | n3kl | I think I am going to build a mount for a monitor, and I think I would like it verticle |
| 23:37.19 | avgj0e | hope it's not CRT |
| 23:37.45 | KukMan | Nyle,! |
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| 23:37.54 | n3kl | no, lcd |
| 23:37.57 | rummik | i'm trying to install debian by way of dd-ing the netinstall iso to an extra drive (seemed quicker), but i can't seem to get past an error with debootstrap: "Failed to determine the codename for the release.", after quite some googling i haven't gotten much beyond that, with the exception of using debootstrap directly which seems to run into its own problems with trying to find a non-existant file |
| 23:37.58 | avgj0e | is ok |
| 23:38.35 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: for example, adding the appropriate xrandr bit to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup will configure it for you. |
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| 23:38.52 | dondelelcaro | (nowadays, you shouldn't be putting much in your xorg.conf) |
| 23:39.01 | rummik | anyway, out of curiocity, is there a place that debian-installer tries to look for the codename? |
| 23:39.07 | n3kl | oh yeah, thats the push for lenny, right |
| 23:39.41 | phogg | rummik: probably /etc/debian_version |
| 23:39.57 | dondelelcaro | rummik: which netinst image? You shouldn't see that unless you're trying to install a version of Debian which the netinst image isn't for or doesn't know about. |
| 23:40.22 | rummik | dondelelcaro: 4.0r(something), just downloaded it today |
| 23:40.39 | rummik | phogg: any idea what's supposed to go in that? |
| 23:40.43 | jstevens | Hey, all. I'm looking to put a SATA DVD/CD drive in an Asus P5KC system. I've never booted from a CD using a SATA optical drive. Any glaring problems I should be aware of booting the lenny install cd from a sata optical drive? |
| 23:40.53 | dondelelcaro | rummik: and you're installing etch? |
| 23:40.59 | rummik | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 23:41.05 | unixSnob | BubbaT: is there a problem with Adobe Flash, AMD64, and linux? |
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| 23:41.19 | dondelelcaro | rummik: hrm; you shouldn't be seeing that error at all. Which mirror were you using? |
| 23:41.28 | doublehp_ | is there in debian a light version of Firefox for small systems ? |
| 23:41.34 | BubbaT | rummik, dd by itself is probably the wrong way to go. Mount the iso, dd the boot sector and just physically copy the rest. |
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| 23:42.03 | dondelelcaro | you don't do any of that to isos |
| 23:42.14 | BubbaT | unixSnob, as far as I can tell. At least that is what the installer tells me. |
| 23:42.18 | rummik | dondelelcaro: not sure which one |
| 23:42.25 | dondelelcaro | rummik: wait, you dd'ed an iso to your drive? |
| 23:42.51 | rummik | dondelelcaro: to a secondary drive, i currently have the system booted from it |
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| 23:42.59 | dondelelcaro | rummik: you don't do that. You put the hd.img.gz on it using dd, and then mount it, then stick an iso on it. |
| 23:43.11 | KukMan | Can hd-media find iso on ntfs partition? |
| 23:43.12 | dondelelcaro | I'm actually surprised it even booted |
| 23:43.19 | rummik | dondelelcaro: that probably explains my problems then |
| 23:43.34 | KukMan | In my situation i can't find it on ntfs |
| 23:43.34 | dondelelcaro | rummik: you want to read the install guide; it goes through that |
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| 23:43.57 | dondelelcaro | KukMan: it looks for it on the partition which was mounted |
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| 23:44.14 | rummik | dondelelcaro: i was, but it seemed like i could get around the excess setup i had gone through on a different computer by doing it this way |
| 23:44.15 | jstevens | Will lenny install from an sata cd drive? |
| 23:44.16 | dondelelcaro | has no clue if it'll mount ntfs partitions |
| 23:44.22 | dondelelcaro | jstevens: it should, yes. |
| 23:44.25 | unixSnob | BubbaT: interesting.. I was just trying to decide between AMD64 and core 2 duo for a laptop.. sounds like intel is the winner. Even though there's GNASH, I like to have options |
| 23:44.28 | jstevens | danke |
| 23:44.38 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: there's no difference in the instruction set between those two. |
| 23:44.47 | KukMan | hmm. nelly sayd me, that if kernel on C, iso on D - it's normal |
| 23:44.50 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: if you want to use ia32 on amd64, you can. |
| 23:45.33 | BubbaT | Yes. I just found a site suggesting I use nspluginwrapper. |
| 23:45.46 | unixSnob | dondelelcaro: how would you explain BubbaT's observation then? |
| 23:46.17 | unixSnob | dondelelcaro: there may be some optimizations that screw it up.. or so it seems |
| 23:46.32 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: uh... I just did; if you use IA32 on the emt64 or amd64, it'll work. |
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| 23:47.06 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: if you use x86_64 on emt64 or amd64, then the flash plugin may not work. |
| 23:47.14 | dondelelcaro | (you should use gnash in such cases) |
| 23:47.15 | BubbaT | dondelelcaro, what do you m,ean by ia32? |
| 23:47.21 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: the IA32 instruction set. |
| 23:47.55 | dondelelcaro | (intel architecture, 32 bit) |
| 23:48.05 | BubbaT | You mean a debian based on the ia32 architecture? |
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| 23:48.17 | unixSnob | Adobe only releases binaries.. are you saying adobe has a different binary for ai32? |
| 23:48.25 | unixSnob | s/ai32/ia32/ |
| 23:48.44 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: of course. |
| 23:49.19 | unixSnob | dondelelcaro: so BubbaT's problem is that he's using a binary that doesn't support ia32? |
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| 23:49.32 | unixSnob | BubbaT: what version did you download? |
| 23:49.45 | BubbaT | Sigh like I said amd64 |
| 23:49.46 | doublehp_ | is there in debian a light version of Firefox for small systems ? something still having JS ... |
| 23:50.15 | BubbaT | But I don't why a person should settle for a 32bit OS. |
| 23:50.54 | unixSnob | BubbaT: ah, i see.. so adobe's 64 bit release is broken... and the 32 bit release works on amd64? |
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| 23:51.14 | iwkse | hi, what's a good way to retrieve dependencies while creating a package? |
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| 23:51.38 | n3kl | iwkse: apt-get build-dep package |
| 23:51.53 | iwkse | n3kl, thanks :) |
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| 23:54.40 | zamaliphe | i'm traying to install truecrypt and after i install .deb pakeg that met for ubento i get this error |
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| 23:54.43 | zamaliphe | truecrypt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found |
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| 23:55.07 | iwkse | n3kl, i think i didn't write well the question. i mean how i can know the dependencies of a package i want to create a debian package to write a control file |
| 23:55.10 | asg | zamaliphe: then that should tell you that ubento debs don't run on debian |
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| 23:55.59 | azeem | iwkse: they are usually computed at package build time |
| 23:56.18 | Deezire | What is the killall-package called? |
| 23:56.28 | iwkse | azeem, yes, i would like to know if there's a best way than looking in configure.ac |
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| 23:56.36 | KukMan | I have understood it.. hd-media can't mount my ntfs partitions. I tried do it manually in ash, but it write me No such device (command: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 -t ntfs). But ls /dev write, that /dev/sda5 is exists |
| 23:56.40 | zamaliphe | i have trayed to compile it from the source also and i get this error |
| 23:56.44 | zamaliphe | No package 'fuse' found |
| 23:56.44 | zamaliphe | Package fuse was not found in the pkg-config |
| 23:56.45 | KukMan | How mount it ? |
| 23:56.46 | azeem | Deezire: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:56.59 | asg | Deezire: psmisc |
| 23:56.59 | Nyle | KukMan, strange... its never given me trouble with ntfs |
| 23:57.00 | themill | Deezire: apt-file is your friend :) |
| 23:57.09 | iwkse | mm..probably ldd executable would work |
| 23:57.12 | Deezire | asg: Thank you! |
| 23:57.13 | azeem | iwkse: are you talking about build dependencies? |
| 23:57.17 | iwkse | azeem, yes |
| 23:57.28 | KukMan | Nyle, I use setup.exe from iso instead debian.exe from inet |
| 23:57.29 | azeem | iwkse: that wasn't clear from your question |
| 23:57.31 | asg | Deezire: but do pay attention to /msg dpkg search and specifically apt-file so you don't have to ask again in the future |
| 23:57.34 | Deezire | themill: Yeah, if i had connectivity to the internet, i manually download debs via my neighbours wlan |
| 23:57.35 | iwkse | azeem, yes sorry |
| 23:57.38 | iwkse | :) |
| 23:57.47 | KukMan | Nyle, Show you my grub.cfg? |
| 23:57.57 | azeem | iwkse: there's no automatic way to generate build-depends, looking at configure.ac is a good idea |
| 23:58.08 | iwkse | azeem, i see |
| 23:58.14 | Nyle | KukMan, sure |
| 23:58.23 | zamaliphe | !fuse |
| 23:58.23 | dpkg | i heard fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 23:58.24 | Nyle | what is setup.exe |
| 23:58.34 | Nyle | !setup.exe |
| 23:58.52 | Nyle | KukMan, its on the debian cd? hunh. |
| 23:58.54 | themill | Deezire: you can also ask the dpkgbot. bot: /msg dpkg search. /msg dpkg find bin/killall, for example |
| 23:59.05 | KukMan | yes |
| 23:59.06 | *** join/#debian poseidon (n=Joseph@ip70-161-211-76.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 23:59.10 | KukMan | ) |
| 23:59.19 | *** join/#debian Madhat (n=MadHat@fl-71-49-9-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 23:59.21 | *** join/#debian ghosTM55 (n=txi@58.34.152.167) |
| 23:59.22 | Deezire | Ah, kool. |
| 23:59.23 | Nyle | KukMan, no idea what that is |
| 23:59.23 | iwkse | azeem, having such a way or tool would make stronger the debian package system avoiding broken packages imho |
| 23:59.29 | Deezire | How do i manually install debs? |
| 23:59.37 | Nyle | dpkg with -i |
| 23:59.38 | dpkg | Nyle: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:59.38 | asg | Deezire: dpkg -i |
| 23:59.45 | Nyle | man dpkg |
| 23:59.51 | KukMan | nyle, http://pastebin.com/m31c6476e |
| 23:59.53 | Deezire | Sweet! |
| 23:59.54 | asg | Deezire: if there are dependancies you don't have, you'll need to run 'apt-get -f install' afterwards |
| 23:59.57 | azeem | iwkse: no, because some stuff in configure.ac is optional, and it is up to the maintainer to decide whether to use it |
