| 00:00.09 | asg | Deezire: or whatever the aptitude analog is these days |
| 00:00.18 | KukMan | nyle, give me plz a link, where I can find debian.exe |
| 00:00.25 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | methinks debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 00:00.26 | Deezire | asg: Hopefully killall and build-essentials dont have depencies, or else i have a very long night ahead of me. |
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| 00:00.49 | KukMan | Nyle, I have a lenny iso |
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| 00:00.53 | Nyle | KukMan, if you have fast internet just use debian.exe on windows and thats it, though your problem is somethign else |
| 00:01.03 | iwkse | azeem, yes but some are always mandatory |
| 00:01.12 | KukMan | Hm. I have a EDGE) |
| 00:01.12 | Nyle | KukMan, you booted the debian installer and it was unable to mount the iso from the ntfs disk? |
| 00:01.30 | azeem | iwkse: if they are omitted, the package will not build in a clean chroot |
| 00:01.42 | Nyle | KukMan, are you sure you used the hd-media installer kernel? |
| 00:01.47 | iwkse | azeem, yes |
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| 00:01.50 | KukMan | I boot, it try find, and says me, that no find any iso. |
| 00:01.55 | KukMan | I enter in ash |
| 00:02.02 | iwkse | azeem, the problem is tracing all things you have installed |
| 00:02.06 | KukMan | tried manually mount disk |
| 00:02.07 | Nyle | KukMan, where did you get the initrd.gz and kernel from? |
| 00:02.08 | iwkse | azeem, or having always a clean root |
| 00:02.10 | iwkse | to test |
| 00:02.18 | KukMan | it write error: No such device |
| 00:02.29 | KukMan | but /dev/sda5 is exists |
| 00:02.38 | azeem | iwkse: use pbuilder or sbuild or something like that |
| 00:02.41 | KukMan | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 00:02.47 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:03.00 | iwkse | azeem, ah i'll check it thanks again |
| 00:03.24 | KukMan | Nyle, Are you have SATA or IDE hard? |
| 00:03.35 | Nyle | both |
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| 00:04.15 | zamaliphe | error : Package "fuse" was not found in the pkg-config ?? how can i configure pkg-config to find fuse hider ? |
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| 00:04.41 | KukMan | maybe, linux/debian/vmlinuz need replace on kernel/debian/vmlinuz |
| 00:04.42 | KukMan | ? |
| 00:04.46 | KukMan | in grub.cfg |
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| 00:06.18 | Nyle | KukMan, well |
| 00:06.31 | Nyle | you have a c:\debian with kernel and c:\ kernel/ |
| 00:06.32 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:06.43 | Nyle | you should tell grub to load the right kernel that is the hd-media kernel |
| 00:07.01 | KukMan | i have only C:\debian |
| 00:07.18 | KukMan | and there are initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
| 00:07.20 | JarJarBinks | does it make sense that I get different results from "ssh -X foo echo $DISPLAY" and "ssh -X foo" RETURN "echo $DISPLAY" ... I get :0.0 and localhost:10.0 respectively ... expected to get localhost:10.0 in both case |
| 00:07.44 | Nyle | im pretty sure hd-media can read iso off ntfs partition |
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| 00:09.19 | KukMan | I don't know. It mount the partitions, and momentally write me error, iso not found. maybe, it's name is wrong or it on unmounting partition |
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| 00:09.35 | KukMan | I copy iso on C - error also |
| 00:09.45 | Nyle | KukMan, place the iso on c:\debian too |
| 00:09.54 | Nyle | but thats not the problem. |
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| 00:10.47 | vi3t | doesnt aptitude have glibc? how do i search inside the apt p. manager? |
| 00:11.22 | Nyle | A.2.5. Booting from hard disk It's possible to boot the installer using no removable media, but just an existing hard disk, which can have a different OS on it. Download hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the top-level directory of the hard disk. Make sure that the CD image has a filename ending in .iso |
| 00:11.28 | stew | vi3t: glibc is the name of the source package, but the binary package is named libc6 |
| 00:11.38 | vi3t | okey thanks stw |
| 00:11.40 | vi3t | stew* |
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| 00:12.20 | thomas | hello |
| 00:12.30 | KukMan | Nyle, I remove initrd.gz and kernel to the C: |
| 00:12.30 | thomas | how i can add multiple gws? |
| 00:12.32 | stew | vi3t: in aptitude you can search with /, it has rather advanced abilities to search, i'd recommend reading /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ in aptitude-doc-en |
| 00:12.51 | Nyle | KukMan, dude how fast is your internet? |
| 00:12.51 | thomas | have: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:12.52 | KukMan | place |
| 00:12.53 | thomas | auto eth0 |
| 00:12.53 | thomas | iface eth0 inet static address 193.108.19.245 netmask 255.255.255.224 gateway 193.108.19.254 |
| 00:13.03 | stew | thomas: multiple gateways to mulitple different subnets? or multiple default gateways? |
| 00:13.09 | KukMan | Nyle, 20kbite per second |
| 00:13.15 | Nyle | ouch |
| 00:13.16 | thomas | stew: multiple subnets. |
| 00:13.28 | vi3t | stew, does debian got a libary searching thingy? |
| 00:13.32 | KukMan | I use mobile - EDGE :) |
| 00:13.46 | vi3t | im missing a file named crt1.o, and it should exist in the glibc packet |
| 00:13.46 | thomas | stew: netmask 255.255.255.240 |
| 00:13.53 | thomas | stew: and adress 206 |
| 00:14.05 | thomas | stew: and gw 193.108.19.192 |
| 00:14.22 | thomas | aaeh 193 |
| 00:14.32 | stew | thomas: you can add them in "up" lines in /etc/network/interfaces the way you would on the command line, so like "up route add -net..." or "up ip route add..." (man interfaces) |
| 00:15.25 | stew | vi3t: libraries would be named starting with "lib" so perhaps, "apt-cache search ^lib foo" to try to find libraries like libfoo libfoo0... |
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| 00:15.52 | thomas | stew: up ip route add 192.168.173.0/24 via 192.168.5.1 |
| 00:16.06 | Deezire | What is the location of gcc on debian etch? |
| 00:16.18 | thomas | stew: up ip route add 193.108.19.192/28 via 193.108.19.193 ? |
| 00:16.48 | stew | thomas: that looks good to me |
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| 00:17.18 | thomas | stew: or up ip route add 193.108.19.206 via 193.108.19.193 <<I would like add 206 |
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| 00:17.49 | PhrkOnLsh | is trying to create a linux livecd to sysadmin windows computers for a side job. Are there any linux tools, like AVs that will catch windows issues? |
| 00:18.22 | stew | thomas: "ip route add 193.108.19.206 via 193.108.19.193" would be the same as "ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193" which isn't what you want afaict |
| 00:18.37 | thomas | backup:~# ip route add 193.108.19.192/28 via 193.108.19.193 |
| 00:18.37 | thomas | RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 00:18.37 | thomas | backup:~# |
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| 00:18.59 | thomas | stew: |
| 00:19.00 | thomas | backup:~# ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 |
| 00:19.00 | thomas | RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
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| 00:19.31 | stew | thomas: you need to already have a route to 193.108.19.193 before you can make it a gateway |
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| 00:19.45 | KukMan | !debian.exe |
| 00:19.45 | dpkg | it has been said that debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
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| 00:19.46 | thomas | stew: |
| 00:19.47 | thomas | backup:~# ping 193.108.19.193 |
| 00:19.47 | thomas | PING 193.108.19.193 (193.108.19.193) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 00:19.47 | thomas | 64 bytes from 193.108.19.193: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.986 ms |
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| 00:19.59 | thomas | grr |
| 00:20.00 | themill | dpkg: tell thomas about paste |
| 00:20.00 | thomas | stew: |
| 00:20.11 | thomas | stew: backup:~# ping 193.108.19.193 PING 193.108.19.193 (193.108.19.193) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 193.108.19.193: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.986 ms |
| 00:20.18 | thomas | themill: thank you very much :O |
| 00:20.23 | Nyle | KukMan, if you can alrady boot debian installer you don't need debian.exe |
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| 00:20.37 | thomas | stew: have a ping.. what is wrong? |
| 00:20.43 | stew | thomas: the perhaps you need a "dev" in the ip line |
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| 00:20.51 | thomas | stew: hum? |
| 00:20.56 | thomas | stew: example? |
| 00:21.05 | KukMan | Nyle - I replace hd-media in root C: - it write me kernel panic |
| 00:21.14 | KukMan | Unable to mount root fs |
| 00:21.23 | Nyle | KukMan, you didn't specify a ramdisk image |
| 00:21.27 | KukMan | plz append root= to the grub.cfg |
| 00:21.32 | Nyle | like initrd /initrd.gz |
| 00:21.41 | Nyle | oh and that too |
| 00:21.45 | Nyle | root=/dev/ram0 |
| 00:21.47 | KukMan | search--set /initrd.gz |
| 00:21.49 | KukMan | linux/vmlinuz video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 priority=low -- |
| 00:21.49 | KukMan | initrd/initrd.gz |
| 00:21.49 | KukMan | boot |
| 00:21.53 | thomas | stew: up ip route add 10.255.255.1/32 dev eth0 |
| 00:21.57 | thomas | stew: hm? |
| 00:21.58 | ianbentley | How can I see the status of my microphone? |
| 00:21.59 | KukMan | this is my config |
| 00:22.06 | Nyle | KukMan, read the install guide |
| 00:22.09 | Nyle | its in there |
| 00:22.20 | KukMan | sure |
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| 00:22.24 | Nyle | how to do this.. but thats not your problem you said you can already boot debian insaller of hd-media |
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| 00:22.28 | Nyle | but it will not detect yoru disk |
| 00:22.33 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:22.39 | zamaliphe | error : Package "fuse" was not found in the pkg-config ?? how can i configure pkg-config to find fuse hider ? |
| 00:22.44 | thomas | stew: you mean: ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 dev eth0 ? |
| 00:22.58 | KukMan | my disk exists in /dev but it can't mount it |
| 00:23.13 | Nyle | KukMan, how are you trying to mount it |
| 00:23.46 | Nyle | im sure hd-media installer has the ntfs read only linux driver |
| 00:23.48 | KukMan | mkdir /mnt/sda5 & mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 -t ntfs |
| 00:24.06 | KukMan | No such device - error |
| 00:24.12 | ma3x | is there something like rflow for debian? to monitor wireless network? |
| 00:24.18 | amphi | zamaliphe: install libfuse-dev |
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| 00:24.26 | azeem | ma3x: wireshark? |
| 00:24.27 | ianbentley | How can I see the status of my microphone? |
| 00:24.31 | Nyle | KukMan, man I dunno man im tired :( |
| 00:24.32 | azeem | or whatever it's called today |
| 00:24.36 | stew | thomas: yes |
| 00:24.55 | vi3t | how do i apt-get all the libboost packages? it is named libboost-* |
| 00:25.16 | vi3t | oh.. i figured it out, with apt-get install libboost-* |
| 00:25.17 | vi3t | haha |
| 00:26.56 | ianbentley | How can I see the status of my microphone? |
| 00:27.09 | ianbentley | sorry to repost |
| 00:27.31 | azeem | what do you mean with status? |
| 00:27.35 | Nyle | KukMan, how do you know you have a /dev/sda5 |
| 00:27.44 | Nyle | KukMan, how did you find this out? |
| 00:28.00 | ianbentley | azeem: all my alsa settings ought to be right, but it doesn't actually record. |
| 00:28.00 | KukMan | I do ls /dev |
| 00:28.03 | ma3x | can wireshark be used to scan and log other wireless clients on the network? |
| 00:28.07 | KukMan | and find it there |
| 00:28.45 | azeem | ma3x: check its documentation/description |
| 00:28.51 | KukMan | I did* |
| 00:29.06 | KukMan | finded* ) |
| 00:29.11 | Nyle | found* |
| 00:29.13 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:29.27 | KukMan | oops) |
| 00:29.29 | KukMan | yes |
| 00:30.09 | KukMan | I shall try add root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=12000 to the linux/vmlinuz video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 priority=low -- line |
| 00:30.10 | Nyle | KukMan, how come you can't burn the iso |
| 00:30.18 | Nyle | no |
| 00:30.21 | Nyle | don't add it |
| 00:30.23 | Nyle | repalce it |
| 00:30.49 | KukMan | linux/vmlinuz linuxroot=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=12000 ? |
| 00:30.51 | Nyle | kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=12000 |
| 00:31.07 | Nyle | initrd /initrd.gz |
| 00:31.19 | samantha-- | is there a download manager for ff/iw that will bandwidth throttle? |
| 00:31.23 | KukMan | my grub don't understand kernel comand |
| 00:31.31 | ma3x | wireshark says: capture sesion could not be initiated (socket: operation not permitted) - I ran it as root |
| 00:31.40 | Nyle | KukMan, then I dunno |
| 00:31.47 | KukMan | search--set /initrd.gz what is this mean? |
| 00:31.51 | Nyle | KukMan, I use debian.exe as I know which grub it installs |
| 00:32.00 | Nyle | if you using grub4dos then i dunno, but i know grub for NT |
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| 00:32.06 | ma3x | ah sorry i dint |
| 00:32.17 | Nyle | i have no idea what that means |
| 00:32.25 | KukMan | so, I deleted this grub and install debian.exe? |
| 00:32.25 | ma3x | should i choose for capture wlan0 or wmaster0? |
| 00:32.27 | KukMan | ok? |
| 00:32.29 | ma3x | what the heck is wamster |
| 00:32.54 | Nyle | KukMan, but seriouly. If you can already boot the debian installer then stop worrying bout grub and blah blah |
| 00:33.14 | Nyle | you should worrya bout why the hd-media installer can't find your iso on the ntfs disk |
| 00:33.48 | Nyle | it should be in top level directory in the drive, end in .iso and Im sure ntfs is read only supported |
| 00:34.36 | KukMan | yes. my iso - D:/deb.iso |
| 00:34.43 | KukMan | and its copy on C |
| 00:35.20 | Nyle | KukMan, just for the hell of it, make a fat partition for the iso image |
| 00:36.12 | Nyle | KukMan,hang on, how do you knwo /dev/sda5 is ntfs? |
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| 00:36.26 | Nyle | obviuly it doesnt'exit but the device node was made |
| 00:36.30 | Nyle | have you tried other nodes? |
| 00:36.34 | KukMan | I create this partition |
| 00:36.41 | Nyle | i giveup! |
| 00:36.44 | Nyle | my back hurs i gonna lay down |
| 00:37.31 | theholyduck | is there any way to make nautilus stop checking for file extensions and what it actually contains when doubleclicking a media filetype? |
| 00:38.01 | Nyle | theholyduck, you mean disable previews? |
| 00:38.06 | theholyduck | like i got alot of "poorly" muxed .mkv's that nautilus eems to think are .mka's |
| 00:38.28 | theholyduck | so when i double click on them. it says that since the file is a .mka but has the extension .mkv, it wont play it |
| 00:38.42 | theholyduck | but in reality its a .mkv |
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| 00:39.02 | theholyduck | s/eems/seems |
| 00:39.10 | ma3x | i got a file called 'purpleMYS7BU' in /tmp. it contains @hotmail credentials. is that a cookie or what? |
| 00:39.24 | KukMan | I have tried use debian.exe. When it's would not work - I go to bad ) |
| 00:39.36 | Nyle | KukMan, if all else fails |
| 00:39.42 | KukMan | Nyle, Can you show example of menu.lst |
| 00:39.43 | Nyle | KukMan, use debian.exe and THATS IT |
| 00:39.48 | googlah | theholyduck: rename the .mka's? |
| 00:39.54 | theholyduck | googlah, but they are .mkv's |
| 00:39.58 | theholyduck | they even preview the video corectly |
| 00:40.06 | Nyle | KukMan, it will take a long time on 20 kb /s but at least you'll install debian |
| 00:40.25 | theholyduck | nautilus incorrectly thinks there is only audio in the file. while at the SAME TIME. showing video previews |
| 00:40.25 | KukMan | Nyle - It download ALL debian from inet? |
| 00:40.30 | Nyle | KukMan, exactly |
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| 00:40.32 | Nyle | not all |
| 00:40.42 | googlah | yeah, but do you rename it to .mkv, double click should make it playable? |
| 00:40.53 | Nyle | KukMan, it will download the installer first, then it will partition, and then it will download the base system |
| 00:40.58 | theholyduck | googlah, in theory yeah. but mka is a mkv. just with ONLY audio |
| 00:41.00 | Nyle | KukMan, the best way to do a minimal debian install |
| 00:41.12 | theholyduck | id be violating the mkv guidelines by doing it |
| 00:41.24 | Nyle | max 250-400 mb (of which you'll only be downloading about 200mb of) |
| 00:41.24 | theholyduck | container wise a .mkv and .mka is identical |
| 00:41.30 | KukMan | But, Can I install root in C and /home in E with debian.exe? |
| 00:41.38 | theholyduck | cept that ,mka is supposed to be ONLY audio |
| 00:41.38 | thomas | I try: ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 but: RTNETLINK answers: No such process - BUT i can 193.108.19.193 ping. what is wrong? |
| 00:41.42 | Nyle | KukMan, easily |
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| 00:41.57 | Nyle | KukMan, debian.exe is the easiest way to isntall debian from windows |
| 00:42.12 | Nyle | you don't have to mess with iso files or kernels and blahb lah |
| 00:42.15 | thomas | any ideas?! |
| 00:42.23 | Nyle | just run debian.exe, reboot, and install debian |
| 00:42.24 | googlah | then i see, theholyduck. no ideas. :/ |
| 00:42.35 | theholyduck | i just wanna disable the damn check |
| 00:42.51 | Nyle | KukMan, seriously just burn a cd |
| 00:42.59 | thomas | I try: ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 but: RTNETLINK answers: No such process - BUT i can 193.108.19.193 ping. what is wrong? |
| 00:43.06 | Nyle | KukMan, if you can't burn, use debian.exe |
| 00:43.28 | theholyduck | Nyle, on linux you got unetbootin |
| 00:43.33 | Nyle | KukMan, if you had done what I had told you to start with, you would be alright, as I did a debian.exe install only a few days ago when i finished playing oblivion |
| 00:43.37 | theholyduck | :P |
| 00:43.38 | KukMan | lol...I have insatlled debian.exe already. It identical with setup.exe from iso. The grub.cfg equal |
| 00:43.53 | thomas | I try: ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 but: RTNETLINK answers: No such process - BUT i can 193.108.19.193 ping. what is wrong? |
| 00:43.56 | Nyle | yeh i dunno any setup.exe crrap |
| 00:44.19 | KukMan | what mean the "dunno" ? |
| 00:44.54 | Nyle | i installed debian sid through the daily installer for testing using debian.exe to install grub easily (i only use debian.exe to install grub, i always donwload the installer netinst kernel/initrd) |
| 00:45.05 | Nyle | and i KNOW it works on iso residing on ntfs |
| 00:45.14 | thomas | I try: ip route add 193.108.19.206/32 via 193.108.19.193 but: RTNETLINK answers: No such process - BUT i can 193.108.19.193 ping. what is wrong? |
| 00:45.23 | Nyle | why your shit is whack i dunno, try a diff device node cuz obviouysly /dev/sda5 don't exist |
| 00:45.39 | Nyle | KukMan, dunno is short for 'don't know' |
| 00:46.01 | Bushmills | !tell thomas about repeat |
| 00:46.11 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to index symbolic links? I am creating multiple filesystems, and I would like to know what symbolic links have been created |
| 00:46.23 | thomas | Bushmills: please help me |
| 00:46.25 | KukMan | I tried with /dev/sda1 (C:) - result equal |
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| 00:46.53 | Nyle | does the debian installer even try to look for the iso |
| 00:46.57 | Nyle | thats one of its steps btw |
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| 00:47.19 | Nyle | KukMan, are you accessing the right disk? |
| 00:47.42 | KukMan | Netinstall kernel can connect to inet through mobile phone (EDGE)? |
| 00:48.01 | Nyle | KukMan, i don't knwo about that one |
| 00:48.25 | samantha-- | is there a download manager for ff/iw that will bandwidth throttle? |
| 00:48.51 | KukMan | Nyle, I have only one hard disk. It's work well... |
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| 00:49.56 | ArthurArchnix | hello... supposedly members of the powerdev groups ought to be able to calll pm-suspend, but I am a member of powerdev and I can't call pm-suspend |
| 00:50.46 | KukMan | Good luck. I go to bad |
| 00:50.46 | KukMan | big thx |
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| 00:50.46 | JarJarBinks | is there a way to avoid ucly escape sequences when making a call like this: ssh $REMOTE_HOST '\''sh -c '\''echo `uname -n` ; if [ "`pgrep -u $UID xmove`" == "" ] ; then '\''\\'\'''\'''\''xmove -server localhost:10 -port 9 &'\''\\'\'''\'''\'' ; fi '\''' |
| 00:51.12 | ArthurArchnix | trying /usr/sbin/pm-suspend returns: This utility may only be run by the root user. |
| 00:51.13 | theholyduck | seems my issue is a KNOWN gnome issue |
| 00:51.16 | theholyduck | since like.. |
| 00:51.17 | theholyduck | 2005 |
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| 00:51.23 | theholyduck | and supposedly fixed |
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| 00:52.27 | craigevil-eee | samantha--: take a look at http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2217353/firefox-throttle |
| 00:52.41 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: put command as script on remote. call that script from ssh login |
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| 00:53.47 | JarJarBinks | Bushmills: right |
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| 00:53.56 | legis | How can I check if my smp kernel is doing smp? |
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| 00:54.13 | Quickslvr | can i install a .deb file on other linux platform? |
| 00:54.34 | samantha-- | Quickslvr, theoretically yes. practically, it's a great way to jack your system. |
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| 00:56.31 | theholyduck | legis, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 00:56.37 | theholyduck | will tell you if all cores are accessible |
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| 00:56.50 | Quickslvr | samantha--: so it is not advisable? |
| 00:56.56 | theholyduck | if apps actually USE the multithreading properly |
| 00:57.01 | theholyduck | is up to whoever coded them |
| 00:57.25 | samantha-- | Quickslvr, no. use the pacakge mangement system for the distribution you're using |
| 00:57.39 | Quickslvr | samantha--: ok, thanks |
| 00:57.40 | theholyduck | you can use alien to make a .deb a .rpm |
| 00:57.44 | theholyduck | and vise versa |
| 00:57.48 | theholyduck | but it CAN lead to issues |
| 00:58.00 | theholyduck | alot of times it will :P |
| 00:58.58 | stew | Quickslvr: you are better off asking in an irc channel specific to the distribution you are actually running |
| 00:59.01 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: why not  if pgrep -u $UID xmove ; then ... ? |
| 00:59.11 | legis | theholyduck: I'm talinkg about the kernel ;) |
| 00:59.28 | theholyduck | legis, if both cores are there. then smp is enabled |
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| 00:59.34 | theholyduck | if only 1 core is there, then no smp |
| 00:59.52 | Bushmills | ehm... other way around. reverse logic |
| 01:00.08 | legis | 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will show both cores even if no-smp kernel |
| 01:00.13 | theholyduck | legis, it will? |
| 01:00.18 | legis | yes |
| 01:00.19 | JarJarBinks | Bushmills: that's how I do |
| 01:00.22 | Bushmills | if !pgrep -u $UID xmove ; then ... that is |
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| 01:00.30 | theholyduck | im pretty sure i only had 1 core in /proc/cpuinfo when i ran a non smp kernel |
| 01:00.35 | theholyduck | and had 2 cores in it after i did |
| 01:01.01 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: no,  if [ "`pgrep -u $UID xmove`" == "" ] ; then ... that's how you do |
| 01:01.12 | Daemonik | I have 200+ user accounts on one machine. I have a new machine setup, which will replace the old machine. What is the proper way to migrate the user accounts? Isn't there a cleaner way than putting the old /etc/passwd and related files in place of the new ones? |
| 01:01.33 | Bushmills | and i ask: "why not if !pgrep -u $UID xmove ; then " |
| 01:01.53 | JarJarBinks | Bushmills: get it |
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| 01:03.08 | theholyduck | legis, yeah im right. |
| 01:03.22 | theholyduck | with no smp kernel support then only 1 cpu shows up in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:03.23 | Bushmills | JarJarBinks: can also do pgrep -u $UID xmove || ... |
| 01:03.46 | ArthurArchnix | ok, there's this test in pm-actions that says: if [ "$(id -u)" != "0" ]; then anyone know how to make it like: if [ "$(id -u)" != "0" OR group!=powerdev]; then |
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| 01:04.16 | ArthurArchnix | Because it will kick out the error message and exit when it detects that user is not 0 (aka root) |
| 01:04.37 | DeFender1031 | hi, i have an hp psc 1315 and i am having trouble getting it to be recognized |
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| 01:04.56 | Bushmills | DeFender1031: i recognize that you have a hp psc 1315 |
| 01:04.59 | Bushmills | better? |
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| 01:05.06 | ArthurArchnix | but it should be possible to make it check ["$(id -g)" != "powerdev"] |
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| 01:05.24 | DeFender1031 | Bushmills, hahaha |
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| 01:05.35 | Nyle | !info hpijs |
| 01:05.37 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.8.5+2.8.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 01:05.40 | DeFender1031 | i meant by debian |
| 01:05.50 | ArthurArchnix | well, id -g returns 1000, so that's not right.... |
| 01:05.52 | DeFender1031 | Nyle, installed that already |
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| 01:06.46 | samantha-- | craigevil-eee, that add-on doesn't work with iw/linux. :-( |
| 01:07.06 | samantha-- | craigevil-eee, requires windows |
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| 01:08.37 | DeFender1031 | so can i get some help here? |
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| 01:09.45 | ArthurArchnix | Bushmills: I lold. |
| 01:09.50 | Nyle | !sj |
| 01:09.50 | dpkg | from memory, sj is short for superjuan |
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| 01:15.31 | naiv | Q: can i forbid users to look outside of their ~ ? |
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| 01:17.06 | Nyle | جÙÚ¯Ø ÙÙÙ¹ Ù
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| 01:17.09 | Nyle | oops |
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| 01:17.45 | Bushmills | naiv: simple answer: make what is not for them unaccessable. that means, "no, except". or, create chroot environments (jails) for them. means "yes, more effort" |
| 01:18.18 | Nyle | hey the urdu text in enter comes in backwards |
| 01:18.38 | azeem | maybe it's a left-to-right language |
| 01:18.41 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:18.46 | Nyle | how do i make it turn around? |
| 01:19.17 | azeem | no idea |
| 01:19.32 | markybob | i've had two western digital drives die on me over the last month, which is pretty impressive since i only have four hard drives :P who makes the most reliable drives these days? |
| 01:19.50 | Nyle | azeem, becuase the thing is in KDE and/or debian there is no Urdu |
| 01:20.12 | azeem | Nyle: I don't understand your question then |
| 01:20.18 | naiv | Bushmills, i don't understand the first part. Effort is not a problem. |
| 01:20.46 | Nyle | azeem, I'm not even sure what I'm asking :( |
| 01:20.47 | Bushmills | naiv: first part: why restrict access to what is available in the net anyway (such as linux systems) |
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| 01:21.25 | Bushmills | naiv: you may want to restrict access to other users' home directories. that's easy to do |
| 01:21.25 | Nyle | ahh yes, how to input text in right to left manner? |
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| 01:22.33 | Nyle | markybob, WD is cheap and fairly reliable |
| 01:22.34 | wols | markybob: no one or all. but how is this debian related? |
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| 01:22.50 | Nyle | markybob, seagate is somewhat ok, but c'mon, there is no tellin |
| 01:23.15 | Nyle | markybob, everyone has a diff exp I've never had WD fuck up on me |
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| 01:24.17 | Bushmills | if you want to go for reliable drives, you may want to switch to scsi. rated for 24h continuous use. ata/sata consumer drives aren't. |
| 01:24.33 | WormFood | Nyle, I've seen many, many, many WD just die...working one day, and not the next....I've never seen a seagate do that....they always give some warning before they die |
| 01:24.42 | Bushmills | but there's a price tag on them |
| 01:24.48 | Nyle | azeem, I'm fairly upto speed on the documentation for localization of debian-installer, but now my next task is to enter Urdu text in debian so that I can begin to translate |
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| 01:25.20 | Nyle | azeem, I don't want to use windows to enter urdu text (though its easier on windows) |
| 01:25.23 | naiv | Bushmills, when you create an account on a free hosting provider, then you can't see /etc, /home, etc. But you can see your home and exec commands |
| 01:25.37 | WormFood | my main problem with WD lies in the fact those cock suckers said there is nothing wrong with their drives, and that the linux kernel has problems (this was years ago) |
| 01:25.42 | naiv | i'd want to do the same thing |
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| 01:25.55 | Bushmills | naiv: what's wrong with seeing commands? |
| 01:26.10 | azeem | Nyle: do you speak/write urdu? |
| 01:26.12 | Nyle | apparantly you can start KDE applications with the --revserse switch to get reverse flowing text |
| 01:26.16 | Nyle | azeem, fluently |
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| 01:26.19 | azeem | ok |
| 01:26.26 | Bushmills | naiv: and access to home dirs you can turn off |
| 01:26.31 | azeem | Nyle: I suggest you ask #debian-i18n on irc.debian.org then |
| 01:26.40 | Nyle | azeem, noted. thanks |
| 01:26.46 | azeem | and/or #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 01:27.01 | Nyle | yes I know bubulle there |
| 01:27.09 | Nyle | he got me started in the localization |
| 01:27.28 | Nyle | ok i'll go there too but I don't like anything but freenode usually but I'll go there anyway I guess thanks |
| 01:28.06 | naiv | Bushmills, i don't want my users to be able to do 'ls /' or 'cat /etc/*/*conf' |
| 01:28.39 | Bushmills | naiv: the critical configs, containing non-public information, are usually not readable for users |
| 01:29.00 | \amethyst | Bushmills: so set the permissions on those files |
| 01:29.06 | \amethyst | oh |
| 01:29.07 | \amethyst | sorry |
| 01:29.09 | \amethyst | naiv: ^^ |
| 01:29.22 | \amethyst | some files users have to be able to read |
| 01:29.29 | Nyle | oh me wants to tell \amethyst about enter too! omg |
| 01:29.32 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:29.33 | \amethyst | like /etc/passwd and /etc/group (not /etc/shadow too) |
| 01:29.38 | Bushmills | but if you really have to lock down your system, consider root jails for your users. |
| 01:29.57 | Bushmills | \amethyst: tell naiv, not me |
| 01:30.05 | Bushmills | oih. you did. |
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| 01:31.12 | Vutral | ofl |
| 01:33.40 | naiv | ok thank you i gonna read about that before asking more questions ;p |
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| 01:36.14 | Bushmills | naiv, consider that a ls / shows them a directory hierarchy which is more or less identical on thousands or millions of systems |
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| 01:37.55 | Bushmills | want to see mine? i have no problems making it public and visible to world :) |
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| 01:38.04 | naiv | xD |
| 01:38.12 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:38.26 | Nyle | everyone knows there is / and /etc/ and /tmp and /home c'mon |
| 01:38.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:38.47 | Bushmills | no plain text password, given as names to directories |
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| 01:44.35 | Nyle | tokens. |
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| 01:47.58 | zamaliphe | !truecrypt |
| 01:47.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
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| 01:50.10 | click_ | help |
| 01:50.25 | Bushmills | police needed? |
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| 01:50.44 | amishdude01 | Fill out surveys and get paid!!!! no joke!! go to http://www.getpaidto.com/?ref=6966 |
| 01:50.44 | click_ | no thanks, is mistake |
| 01:50.45 | amishdude01 | Fill out surveys and get paid!!!! no joke!! go to http://www.getpaidto.com/?ref=6966 |
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| 01:53.33 | WormFood | I can fill out a survey and get paid! where do I sign up....why do I have to give them my credit card number? |
| 01:54.09 | wols_ | so you can get paid duh! |
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| 01:59.13 | Bushmills | almost as good as "UTTERLY CONFIDENTIAL" postings to mailing lists. |
| 02:01.04 | Nyle | i have to give my CC# to get paid? |
| 02:01.09 | Nyle | what kinda shit is this |
| 02:01.11 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:01.22 | Nyle | its like Mr. Nigeria trying to make me a rich man. |
| 02:01.41 | Supaplex | do it. you know you want to. ;) |
| 02:01.51 | Nyle | Supaplex, i unignored you btw too |
| 02:01.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:02.00 | Nyle | Supaplex, if you can be playful about it, sure |
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| 02:02.04 | Nyle | its still pretty funny |
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| 02:02.22 | karsten | When logging into an existing session (xscreensaver password screen), plugging in the wrong password seems to hang any login activity for several minutes. Any ideas? |
| 02:02.42 | Supaplex | don't tell them my new phone number is 727.861.0283 |
| 02:02.45 | karsten | Not only does xscreensaver keep the invalid passord screen up, but even a console login takes ages. |
| 02:02.58 | karsten | Supaplex: Your secret number, 727.861.0283, is safe with me. |
| 02:03.19 | karsten | wonders which ex's number that is that Supaplex is writing on the bathroom walls... |
| 02:03.23 | Nyle | nah man, he gave me his # cuz i had to talk to him about a job/project |
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| 02:03.32 | ma3x | is there a program in debian that can convert the data packets (captured from the network) to picture/text/etc... |
| 02:03.33 | Nyle | so i call him, he picks up, and I lay the fonejack on him |
| 02:03.40 | Nyle | ever since then hes been sour |
| 02:03.42 | karsten | Supaplex: St. Pete? |
| 02:03.47 | Nyle | instead of seeing the funny in it, he gets pissed. |
| 02:03.49 | Nyle | w/e |
| 02:04.12 | Supaplex | it's only funny if you like getting one of those a day for a week. |
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| 02:04.37 | Nyle | I've only gotten it once. |
| 02:04.56 | Nyle | way back in oklahoma when some dude called and said hes gonna gimme money but he needs my acct # |
| 02:05.07 | Nyle | only time ever. how come you get so many of these calls? |
| 02:05.08 | Supaplex | karsten: can you strace it from ssh? |
| 02:05.22 | karsten | Supaplex: aptitude install miscfiles; areacode () { /bin/zgrep "^$1" /usr/share/misc/na.phone.gz; }; areacode 727 |
| 02:05.28 | karsten | Supaplex: That and an educated guess. |
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| 02:06.00 | Supaplex | karsten: no idea. it's the phone number listed on whois for that domain the kid spammed us with. |
| 02:06.07 | karsten | Supaplex: Ah. |
| 02:06.18 | Bushmills | ma3x: a web browser can convert some packets, especially those from source port 80, to text and pictures |
| 02:06.32 | Supaplex | could file an abuse complain via fax. this'll get interesting... |
| 02:06.46 | karsten | Supaplex: Hudson, FL. |
| 02:06.56 | karsten | Supaplex: Also from the WHOIS data. |
| 02:07.04 | Nyle | do it |
| 02:07.06 | Supaplex | I'm sure Thomas M. Dietzel would like our fax. |
| 02:07.28 | karsten | Supaplex: I suspect amishdude01 is from something in Pennsylvania. |
| 02:07.35 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:07.36 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 02:07.43 | Nyle | karsten, really.. ya think ;) |
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| 02:08.00 | karsten | Nyle: pitbpa.fios.verizon.net |
| 02:08.00 | Supaplex | is noobville near the capital? |
| 02:08.06 | ma3x | Bushmills: yeah but what do you do with the data packets captured to a file? |
| 02:08.34 | Nyle | karsten, also he is an amish dude |
| 02:08.49 | karsten | Nyle: That too. |
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| 02:09.16 | Bushmills | ma3x: i suppose you can read them into ethereal or wireshark, for displaying and decomposing. |
| 02:09.26 | Supaplex | savors tcpdump |
| 02:09.46 | snacky | wow, thomas m. dietzel really fucked it up |
| 02:10.07 | karsten | Nyle: Oddly enough, there *is* a Pittsburgh, PA |
| 02:10.29 | Nyle | Contact Information: 727-861-0283 Canada: 647-723-9878 UK: 020 3051 4668 |
| 02:10.35 | Nyle | did you even visit the webpage |
| 02:10.47 | ma3x | Bushmills: let's say i send a picture.jpg over the network and i capture all the data packets. so how do you get together and convert those pieces of info into a picture? |
| 02:11.08 | karsten | had thought it was elsewhere. |
| 02:11.19 | karsten | Nyle: No. |
| 02:11.25 | karsten | tries, absent the ref ID. |
| 02:11.34 | Nyle | karsten, of course |
| 02:11.50 | Supaplex | ma3x: you'll have to use the maximum snaplength, and possibly something like tcpflows. however, my last heavy use of tcpflows suggests there's a bug (hopefully fixed). it was saving gigabytes of 0's when it didn't know a stream was finished. |
| 02:11.52 | samantha-- | is there a download manager for ff/iw that will bandwidth throttle? |
| 02:11.52 | Nyle | don't give him him the pleasure of having us use his ref id so he can get money for spaming |
| 02:12.19 | Nyle | samantha--, I actually was interested so I looked through the entire Download Managers addon section on firefox extensions |
| 02:12.22 | Supaplex | it's too bad that site makes it difficult to report abuse. they must not care that much.. humm... |
| 02:12.26 | Nyle | samantha--, I didn't find shit. |
| 02:12.28 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:12.48 | dondelelcaro | samantha--: you could just use trickle |
| 02:13.01 | Nyle | trickle? |
| 02:13.05 | dondelelcaro | !info trickle |
| 02:13.10 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-5 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 02:13.11 | samantha-- | nyle: earlier someone pointed me to one that's for windows only. dondelelcaro, i'd have to know how. :-) |
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| 02:13.35 | Nyle | trickle is a portable lightweight userspace bandwidth shaper. It can run in collaborative mode (together with trickled) or in stand alone mode. |
| 02:13.39 | Nyle | !trickle |
| 02:13.40 | karsten | samantha--: wget --limit-rate for a non-FF/IW solution |
| 02:13.54 | Bushmills | ma3x: i wouldn't know. you can't just feed the file to a tun device.. as no requests have been done, nothing of your system expects these packets... i suppose you need to strip the tcp and ip headers, and combine the payload. i don't know of a tool doig that. |
| 02:13.57 | samantha-- | karsten, wget is not appropriate for this situation. |
| 02:14.10 | samantha-- | otherwise i'd be using rsync or something |
| 02:14.11 | dondelelcaro | samantha--: trickle -d foo blah; et al. |
| 02:14.17 | Nyle | dpkg trickle is a portable lightweight userspace bandwidth shaper. It can run in collaborative mode (together with trickled) or in stand alone mode. http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle |
| 02:14.18 | karsten | samantha--: Would it be possible to throw a wrapper around it? |
| 02:14.18 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 02:14.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: trickle is that wrapper... |
| 02:14.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 02:14.45 | dondelelcaro | (and it should work, at least in theory) |
| 02:14.56 | dondelelcaro | always handles bandwidth shaping using tc |
| 02:14.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Well, I was thinking that the wrapper might be in an FF/IW extension's clothing. |
| 02:15.24 | karsten | handles bandwidth shaping with a set of tongs, calfskin leather gloves, and a Real Bad Attitude. |
| 02:15.35 | Nyle | eek! |
| 02:15.47 | Supaplex | that's one kinky wardrobe. |
| 02:15.48 | karsten | samantha--: Any additional details on your requirements / application? |
| 02:15.55 | Bushmills | ma3x: i'd probably look at the mentioned ethereal and wireshark, whether they have provisions for this |
| 02:16.07 | karsten | Supaplex: Haven't done much blacksmith work, have you? |
| 02:16.20 | samantha-- | karsten, i just don't want my pr0n download screwing up my wow playing. |
| 02:16.24 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... the guys over in bash have convinced me that editing the script that pm-suspend calls will not work. I'm still looking for a way to call pm-suspend as normal user, supposedly members of powerdev ought to be able to do so, but it's not working out like that for me. I'm not sure, but it may have something to do with the fact that pm-suspend only expects to be called by hal |
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| 02:16.51 | Supaplex | ma3x: apt-cache show tcpflow |
| 02:16.51 | karsten | samantha--: wget, tc, or QoS |
| 02:17.05 | lewis | silly question - what's the project for API between apache/ruby? |
| 02:17.27 | karsten | lewis: Rails? |
| 02:17.29 | Supaplex | ArthurArchnix: what OS? |
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| 02:17.33 | benjamindees | ArthurArchnix, sudo? |
| 02:17.54 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: sudo. |
| 02:18.04 | lewis | sorry - new to this, currently using WEBrick... |
| 02:18.12 | ArthurArchnix | Supaplex: lenny benjamindees I was wondering if it was possible to do so without installing sudo. But after looking for an answer for the past three days everyone says sudo. |
| 02:18.22 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: Yes. |
| 02:18.26 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: Install sudo. |
| 02:18.35 | ArthurArchnix | I was trying to avoid the easy solution. I wanted to work with currently installed stuff, edit config files, work with groups. |
| 02:18.37 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: You should have already. |
| 02:18.40 | Supaplex | properly configured, sudo is a great option. |
| 02:19.38 | ArthurArchnix | I guess I'm just wondering, how you let normals users run special scripts as root before there was sudo. Wasn't it all based on file and group permissions? |
| 02:19.54 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: Linux doesn't allow scripts to be SUID. |
| 02:20.09 | Supaplex | most programs wrote their own code to handle suid, but it's difficult to handle safely. |
| 02:20.28 | Supaplex | s/wrote/had/ |
| 02:20.28 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: Either you'd write a binary SUID wrapper, or you'd write a SUID utility, or you'd use sudo. Sudo offers you much more control, in general. |
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| 02:20.47 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: a c wrapper, suid'ed, would also work. but sudo is preferable. |
| 02:20.48 | ArthurArchnix | So my whole attempt over the last few days was not only fruitless, but pointless, righ karsten? Ok... I've never had anything against sudo. I was just trying too hard to distance mysel from Ubuntu maybe. |
| 02:20.56 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: Grant a specific set of users (and you can define user groups w/in sudo) a specific set of privileges. |
| 02:21.11 | aum | hi - o/t question - is samba 3,x reasonably safe for usage across the net? or is that just a totally insane idea? |
| 02:21.15 | karsten | ArthurArchnix: You'll have a better understanding and appreciation of sudo. This is a good thing. |
| 02:21.21 | karsten | aum: Yes. |
| 02:21.24 | karsten | aum: The latter. |
| 02:23.30 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah. I can give all users part of powerdev the ability to run /usr/sbin/pm-suspend with no password... that option has been staring me in the face for days, mocking me, while I've been pissing off people all over IRC as I disregard sudo and try one crazy plan after another. :P |
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| 02:28.52 | karsten | appreciates it when people have the cohones to admit things like that. |
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| 02:32.28 | JarJarBinks | is there anyway to tell the client isuing an ssh -X command which display variable is used on the remote side of the socket ... i.e. if it's :10.0 or :11.0 etc |
| 02:32.54 | JarJarBinks | something like returning $DISPLAY with out closing the connection |
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| 02:34.43 | zxcvbs | hi, can anyone helpme with this, what is the proper noun for the term auto slave, i meaning anyone that is a self slave.? |
| 02:35.00 | zxcvbs | the proper expression in english.. |
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| 02:36.00 | JarJarBinks | zxcvbs: think you need to join #english it's linked with #english at efnet |
| 02:36.12 | zxcvbs | irc.efnet.org? |
| 02:36.42 | JarJarBinks | it's the same whether you use it from freenode or efnet (think it's .org) |
| 02:36.52 | JarJarBinks | iiuc |
| 02:36.54 | zxcvbs | ok, thank you. |
| 02:36.58 | JarJarBinks | np |
| 02:37.18 | adv | anyone can tell me the default resource limits on debian etch? |
| 02:37.27 | adv | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 02:40.21 | adv | thanks JarJarBinks ! |
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| 02:41.46 | Vutral | jar jar |
| 02:41.47 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 02:41.47 | Vutral | hands JarJarBinks a cup of hot coofi |
| 02:42.34 | cybermad | i move my harddisk to other computer, but why there is no eth0 ? so when i run "ifconfig" only show "lo" |
| 02:42.48 | vi3t | tried ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 02:42.53 | cybermad | then i check lspci, i see that the ethernet card is already detected |
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| 02:43.23 | cybermad | vi3t error fetching interface information: device not found |
| 02:43.23 | googlah | cybermad: Try ifup eth0? |
| 02:43.24 | Bushmills | cybermad: driver loaded, card unconfigured? ifconfig eth0 up maybe |
| 02:43.25 | benjamindees | cybermad, module is not inserted? |
| 02:43.25 | Andres | que hacen? |
| 02:43.36 | Bushmills | or manually give ip address |
| 02:43.49 | Andres | hello |
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| 02:43.59 | benjamindees | er, that should have been a statement, not a question. |
| 02:44.07 | Andres | i not understand english |
| 02:44.18 | cybermad | googlah there is message: something like no such device |
| 02:44.18 | Andres | i speak spanish |
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| 02:44.34 | Bushmills | !es |
| 02:44.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:44.55 | Andres | thank you |
| 02:44.56 | cybermad | Bushmills i tried that.. and i got: no such device |
| 02:45.05 | cybermad | benjamindees what module? |
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| 02:45.08 | googlah | cybermad: Then it seem like your ethernet module has gone |
| 02:45.12 | Bushmills | cybermad: driver not loaded |
| 02:45.29 | benjamindees | cybermad, depends on what lspci says :) |
| 02:46.05 | jmhealey | hello all |
| 02:46.24 | cybermad | well, the eth0 is detected on old PC, the problem is when i move the HD to another PC |
| 02:46.51 | jmhealey | cybermad: thats cuz the mac isdifferent |
| 02:46.58 | cybermad | benjamindees yes |
| 02:47.29 | JarJarBinks | thanks Vutral |
| 02:47.41 | cybermad | 00:20f ethernet controller: D-Link System inc RTL8139 ethernet (Ref 10) |
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| 02:48.01 | benjamindees | jmhealey, no it isn't. |
| 02:48.06 | Bushmills | cybermad: modprobe 8139too |
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| 02:48.23 | cybermad | just a minute.. i will move same ethernet card to new pc |
| 02:48.27 | cybermad | maybe it will works |
| 02:48.34 | jmhealey | cybermad: it will |
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| 02:57.15 | cybermad | i already plug the old ethernet card, but still eth0 not works.. even i already restart the system |
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| 02:57.42 | benjamindees | cybermad: modprobe 8139too |
| 02:58.05 | cybermad | benjamindees ok |
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| 02:59.13 | cybermad | after i run modprobe 8139too nothing happen |
| 02:59.47 | benjamindees | did you remove this network card: "D-Link System inc RTL8139 ethernet" |
| 03:00.05 | cybermad | lspci says: Non-VGA Unclassified device: Realtek SemiConductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139c/8139c+ (Ref 10) |
| 03:00.10 | cybermad | yes |
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| 03:00.26 | cybermad | oh do you mean i run that command use new ethernet card? |
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| 03:00.39 | cybermad | right now i use ethernet card that use on old pc |
| 03:00.54 | benjamindees | that's okay it's the same chipset at least |
| 03:01.12 | cybermad | benjamindees what should i get after run that command ? |
| 03:01.44 | cybermad | lspci says: Non-VGA Unclassified device: Realtek SemiConductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139c/8139c+ (Ref 10) |
| 03:01.47 | benjamindees | cybermad, what does '/sbin/ifconfig eth0' say? |
| 03:02.48 | benjamindees | cybermad, or try 'modprobe 8139cp' |
| 03:02.53 | cybermad | device not found |
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| 03:03.30 | cybermad | benjamindees nothing happen after run modprobe 8139cp |
| 03:04.29 | benjamindees | try '/sbin/ifconfig eth0' again |
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| 03:05.22 | cybermad | benjamindees device not found |
| 03:06.11 | cybermad | benjamindees Error fetching interface information: Device not Found |
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| 03:07.21 | benjamindees | cybermad, what version of debian are you on? |
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| 03:08.02 | benjamindees | cybermad, and I would go back to the other network card. |
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| 03:12.52 | cybermad | benjamindees how to check debian version... i forget.. uname -a or cat /etc/version? (but doesn't work) |
| 03:13.13 | DigitalSith | uname -a |
| 03:13.26 | nsx | /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:15.02 | vi3t | why cant i use g++ -L/usr/local/bin -llibtorrent ? It says it cant find libtorrent when libtorrent.{a,so,la} is int the folder |
| 03:16.55 | xerophyte | i have exim install, what is the best way to stop spam before it hits the exim ? |
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| 03:17.18 | iwkse | vi3t, do you have libraries in /usr/local/bin? |
| 03:17.43 | benjamindees | xerophyte, postfix :p |
| 03:17.45 | vi3t | i mean lib* |
| 03:17.50 | vi3t | sorry typo |
| 03:18.20 | vi3t | but yeah, the libraries is in that folder |
| 03:18.21 | xerophyte | benjamindees: even with postfix :) what is the best solution to stop the spam before it hits the postfix |
| 03:18.29 | extor | If I am downloading an etch r3 DVD then is there any way to ensure it has the latest etch packages on it, without downloading something like a lenny DVD? I see a DVD called "update" in the directory list but not sure if that contains the most up to date Etch packages? |
| 03:18.43 | benjamindees | xerophyte, never give anyone your e-mail address. |
| 03:19.00 | xerophyte | benjamindees: do you have mine ? |
| 03:19.35 | benjamindees | xerophyte, if I did, I would be spamming you right now... |
| 03:19.57 | xerophyte | benjamindees: hmm you are not spaming .. then who is spending spam .. |
| 03:20.16 | cybermad | benjamindees debian v4.0 |
| 03:21.17 | extor | xerophyte, are you getting private messages with spam in them? |
| 03:21.46 | extor | nvmnd...I thought this was a bug in freenode or something |
| 03:23.09 | Rusty1 | xerophyte: google thyself spamassassin |
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| 03:24.15 | vi3t | is the g++ looking for a .o file or is it looking for a .so file when we use -llib ? |
| 03:24.16 | cybermad | benjamindees is there another solution for undetected ethernet card |
| 03:24.35 | iwkse | vi3t, it's ltorrent |
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| 03:25.22 | benjamindees | cybermad, is there an irq conflict perhaps? is the ethernet card listed in /proc/interrupts next to anything else? |
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| 03:26.04 | vi3t | iwkse, it couldnt find ltorrent either |
| 03:26.15 | iwkse | -ltorrent? |
| 03:26.50 | benjamindees | xerophyte, seriously though, I think domainkeys is the accepted solution for combating spam at the smtp server. |
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| 03:28.19 | vi3t | well it isnt that library i was looking for, there is a specific file name libtorrent |
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| 03:28.55 | iwkse | vi3t, if you need libtorrent the lib is -ltorrent |
| 03:29.33 | iwkse | vi3t, when specify libs the lib is always stripped |
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| 03:30.35 | vi3t | then why do i still get the erorr of undefined reference to "libtorrent::entry::.." etc |
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| 03:32.21 | vi3t | iwkse, http://codepad.org/rhs3FJAB |
| 03:33.05 | manfre | I am unable to write to a usb drive because it says it is a read-only file system. I'm confused because it is mounted rw. "/dev/sdg1 on /media/My Book type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000)". Any ideas on what could cause this? |
| 03:33.08 | markybob | you should probably be asking in #libtorrent |
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| 03:34.02 | vasuvi | How can one prevent dhclient from clobbering the DNS info in resolv.conf on every boot? |
| 03:34.12 | vi3t | i've asked a thousand time inside there, nobody is answering <.< |
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| 03:35.03 | vi3t | im seeing this as i've library fault thats why im asking here |
| 03:35.35 | benjamindees | manfre, write-protect switch? |
| 03:36.00 | iwkse | vi3t, check api, your doing some errors, http://www.rasterbar.com/products/libtorrent/manual.html#entry |
| 03:36.12 | manfre | benjamindess, the My book doesn't have one (too my knowledge) |
| 03:37.28 | cybermad | benjamindees i decide to reinstall the debian system |
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| 03:38.01 | cybermad | btw, i have an idea.. i want to backup my debian to virtual image like virtual box or vmware, how to do that? |
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| 03:41.11 | Nyle | !dbugs 476844 |
| 03:41.14 | dpkg | DONE:#476844:G[fglrx-kernel-src] Won't build with 2.6.25; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:00:01 UTC |
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| 03:42.24 | vi3t | iwkse, i got that error just by adding the libtorrent/session.hpp |
| 03:42.39 | vi3t | so it cant be the code, it must be something about library |
| 03:44.02 | Nyle | http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/ <-- ayyuuup |
| 03:44.06 | Nyle | beautiful |
| 03:45.12 | iwkse | vi3t, how do you mean adding, including? |
| 03:45.52 | Nyle | ARGH! |
| 03:45.56 | vi3t | yeah including, but seems like debian is accepting it now, its give me an a.out |
| 03:45.57 | Nyle | fucking iceweasel |
| 03:46.14 | Nyle | it won't install the google toolbar because the browser is not compatible (damn user agent bullshit) |
| 03:46.24 | Nyle | now i gotta change that to firefox |
| 03:46.27 | iwkse | vi3t, probably you have old library, what's the library version? |
| 03:46.37 | vi3t | how do i check that? |
| 03:46.52 | vi3t | it is the libc6 aint it ? |
| 03:46.53 | manfre | Nyle, the pains caused by a simple logo |
| 03:47.01 | Nyle | manfre, indeed |
| 03:47.18 | Lagbolt | Nyle, yeah would think the weasel would have that worked out since it will prob never be recognized by sites |
| 03:47.45 | iwkse | vi3t, it's libtorrent, i don't see any hpp files here |
| 03:47.52 | iwkse | vi3t, just .h |
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| 03:48.11 | Nyle | its not hard to change but tis an annoyance nonetheless |
| 03:48.12 | lindenle | Can anyone suggest a good c++ cross referenc tool? (prefer html output) |
| 03:48.44 | vi3t | the .hpp files lays in /usr/local/include/libtorrent |
| 03:49.19 | iwkse | vi3t, how did you install libtorrent? |
| 03:49.32 | vi3t | i compiled it with the source |
| 03:49.46 | iwkse | last version? |
| 03:49.48 | vi3t | used the svn to get the trunk |
| 03:49.50 | vi3t | yeah latest |
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| 03:49.53 | cafuego | tssk tssk |
| 03:49.53 | iwkse | ah ok |
| 03:49.57 | zil | I need to stress test our mail server and do some statistics to see what AV is fastest, so far I have only found mail bomb apps that do the job but produce no analytics so we have to use a stopwatch... I have found no propor apps and was wondering if anyone can recommend anything? please pm me as I will be going away from pc |
| 03:50.33 | cafuego | what you do is suck the libtorrent svn trunk source into a debian build tree, then create an updated pkg for libtorrent libtorrent-dev |
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| 03:51.35 | cafuego | ... and the same for an rtorrent pkg |
| 03:52.05 | iwkse | vi3t, you have to check the api anyway:) |
| 03:52.18 | vi3t | iwkse, how do i solve this problem? http://pastebin.com/d51edda3 ? |
| 03:52.52 | Nyle | svn: PROPFIND of '/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk': 301 Moved (http://svn.debian.org) |
| 03:52.53 | vi3t | the api is important x) |
| 03:52.56 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 03:53.10 | iwkse | vi3t, soft link |
| 03:53.30 | Nyle | FUCKING ATI! |
| 03:53.34 | vi3t | to where? to my project folder? |
| 03:53.43 | cafuego | vi3t: add the .so to your LD_PRELOAD or the ld path anyways |
| 03:53.53 | DigitalSith | what version of gnome is in debian 4.0? |
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| 03:55.33 | Nyle | how come I get this error |
| 03:55.39 | Nyle | im not too savvy with svn |
| 03:56.02 | Nyle | I'm trying to checkout the patched source of fglrx-source package |
| 03:56.04 | cafuego | Nyle: transproxy? |
| 03:56.12 | Nyle | cafuego, no idea what that is |
| 03:56.19 | Nyle | but sounds like a proxy |
| 03:56.23 | cafuego | Nyle: an http proxy? |
| 03:56.26 | Nyle | I'm not using one |
| 03:56.33 | cafuego | Nyle: though that shouldn't 301 it i guewss |
| 03:57.02 | Nyle | argh |
| 03:57.29 | Nyle | I guess i'll dl the ati driver and try to generate some packages for .8.5 |
| 03:57.57 | Nyle | supposedly the missing exported symbols bug is fixed by ati in 8.5 |
| 03:58.01 | vi3t | cafuego, could you tell me how i do that? x) |
| 03:58.21 | Nyle | cafuego, any other troubleshooting ideas? |
| 03:58.28 | Nyle | cafuego, does it checkout for you? |
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| 03:58.55 | cafuego | Nyle: I refuse to touch fglrx |
| 03:59.10 | Nyle | awe c'mon |
| 03:59.13 | Nyle | help a brotha out |
| 03:59.20 | cafuego | vi3t: is that .so sitting in /usr/local/lib ? |
| 03:59.37 | cafuego | Nyle: How are you checking it out? what uri? |
| 03:59.49 | Nyle | http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/ |
| 03:59.52 | vi3t | cafuego, yes |
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| 04:00.10 | Nyle | svn checkout url |
| 04:00.21 | Nyle | Day changed to 10 Jun 2008 |
| 04:00.24 | Nyle | doh |
| 04:00.32 | cafuego | vi3t: have yoyu run ldconfig as root since putting it there? |
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| 04:00.41 | vi3t | no i havent |
| 04:00.52 | cafuego | i suggest you do, that woiuld help a lot :-) |
| 04:00.58 | vi3t | oh, okei :D |
| 04:01.37 | vi3t | it still get the same old error about missing the file |
| 04:01.47 | DigitalSith | does anyone know what version of gnome is in debian 4.0? |
| 04:02.01 | vi3t | DigitalSith, the latest;D |
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| 04:02.14 | Nyle | !info gnome-core etch |
| 04:02.17 | vi3t | DigitalSith, jk, i dont know x) |
| 04:02.33 | cafuego | Nyle: offhand, someone broke the repo? No joy here either |
| 04:02.36 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.6 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 04:02.50 | Nyle | cafuego, hey thanks for checking I apprecaite it |
| 04:02.52 | cafuego | Nyle: and HEAD on that uri certainly doesn't show a 301 |
| 04:02.56 | vi3t | http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 <- it stands 2.14 in the news |
| 04:03.04 | Nyle | cafuego, fairly queer it is |
| 04:03.14 | DigitalSith | i dont have debian installed yet, its installing, i was just wondering becaus ei wanted ver 2+ |
| 04:03.30 | Nyle | 2.14 |
| 04:03.42 | Nyle | !info gnome-core |
| 04:03.44 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.20.2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 04:03.53 | Nyle | 2.20 |
| 04:03.56 | Nyle | sid |
| 04:04.09 | RA3OR | who knows what alt+z does? |
| 04:04.12 | DigitalSith | ok so what version is in etch |
| 04:04.26 | vi3t | cafuego, ldconfig didnt help |
| 04:04.44 | Nyle | i know ctrl + z |
| 04:05.00 | RA3OR | what does it do? |
| 04:05.07 | RA3OR | in irc i mean |
| 04:05.12 | Nyle | oh i dunno in irc |
| 04:05.21 | Nyle | j |
| 04:05.23 | Nyle | nothing |
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| 04:05.57 | dondelelcaro | RA3OR: depends on your client. In mine, it switches to window 31. |
| 04:06.01 | cafuego | Nyle: svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/ |
| 04:06.17 | RA3OR | mirc |
| 04:06.27 | dondelelcaro | no clue about mirc |
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| 04:06.38 | vi3t | in mirc it doesnt do anything |
| 04:06.47 | vi3t | the ctrl + z |
| 04:06.57 | cafuego | vi3t: How about LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/that/sofile ./a.out |
| 04:07.16 | vi3t | oooh, i thought when i was doing ld_preload=/path |
| 04:07.19 | vi3t | it will be stored |
| 04:07.19 | vi3t | aaah |
| 04:07.42 | cafuego | vi3t: Aaah hold on.. another option is that the .so file is missing a lib *it* depends on... |
| 04:07.54 | RA3OR | what about rm -rf * -_- |
| 04:07.55 | cafuego | vi3t: To checl, run 'ldd' on it. |
| 04:08.17 | cafuego | RA3OR: That should fix you mirc issue, yes. |
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| 04:08.50 | vi3t | it shout out a lot of stuff here, what should i look for ? |
| 04:09.58 | vi3t | for the a.out it says libtorrent => not found |
| 04:10.27 | vi3t | should i recompile it or something cafuego ? |
| 04:11.03 | cafuego | vi3t: i wonder if it has a different sdoname or something |
| 04:11.23 | cafuego | is half mad with flu, so possibly not the best persdon to ask |
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| 04:12.10 | vi3t | hehe, well the LD_PRELOAD worked |
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| 04:12.31 | vi3t | but shouldnt it be implemented so we wont need to write that on the start? |
| 04:13.17 | Nyle | gives cafuego some NASTY tea |
| 04:13.28 | cafuego | vi3t: Yes, that's what the ldconfig is for, but you did run that as root, right? |
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| 04:13.49 | Nyle | its got orange peels, ginger, other herbs and shit, my granda makes it, but its nasty so i call it nasty tea, but in an hour it will clear your head |
| 04:13.54 | Nyle | it got clove to |
| 04:13.55 | vi3t | yes i did run it as root |
| 04:13.55 | Nyle | too( |
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| 04:14.20 | cafuego | Nyle: i haz lemon/ginger tea |
| 04:14.25 | Nyle | ahh |
| 04:14.32 | cafuego | but my head isn't blocked, it juust hurts - a lot |
| 04:14.32 | Nyle | lemon clears up phlegm |
| 04:14.43 | Nyle | rest your eyes it iwll help |
| 04:14.49 | cafuego | even the migraine meds aen't doing much |
| 04:15.01 | Nyle | get some morphine sulphate |
| 04:15.19 | Nyle | mix, cook, strain, fill, shoot up |
| 04:15.25 | cafuego | had to throw those out, they were a year over best-by |
| 04:15.27 | Nyle | then you'll not have migrain |
| 04:15.28 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:15.30 | Nyle | j/k |
| 04:15.51 | cafuego | daddy likes morphine... |
| 04:15.55 | Nyle | word |
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| 04:16.23 | Nyle | cafuego, I used to take 160mg oxy contin a day since I was 12 |
| 04:16.36 | Nyle | then a few years later i told my folks i can't take this medicine cuz i makes me a zombie |
| 04:16.44 | cafuego | for medical reasons, i hope? |
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| 04:16.53 | Nyle | I couldn't walk until i was 4 |
| 04:16.56 | Nyle | polio victim |
| 04:16.58 | extor | oxy contin is an aderrol clone? |
| 04:16.59 | Nyle | but i showed em |
| 04:17.04 | Nyle | I started skateboarding at 8 |
| 04:17.10 | Nyle | everyone said i'd never walk |
| 04:17.11 | Nyle | ever |
| 04:17.14 | Nyle | but i showed em |
| 04:17.24 | cafuego | had a self-regulatory intravenous morphine drip in hospital |
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| 04:17.29 | SeveredCross | Uh, oxy isn't an adderall clone. |
| 04:17.31 | extor | whips out the BS-o-meter and waves it over Nyle |
| 04:17.45 | cafuego | but only for a day... |
| 04:17.47 | Nyle | extor, i still suffer from back pain and fybromealgea |
| 04:17.48 | cafuego | niiice tho :-) |
| 04:17.58 | cafuego | the warm feeling makes the pain be gone |
| 04:18.04 | cafuego | also the world, but i can live with that |
| 04:18.16 | extor | What is fybromealgea? |
| 04:18.27 | Nyle | i have not enjoyed a good nights sleep in ages |
| 04:18.32 | Nyle | my legs are stiff 24/7 |
| 04:18.43 | Nyle | I usually wake up with severe leg pain every day |
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| 04:19.01 | Nyle | in fact i'm lucky the day the pain doesn't wake me up |
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| 04:19.44 | extor | Do you have fibromyalgia but you just can't spell it eh. |
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| 04:19.56 | Nyle | extor, i can't spell nothin |
| 04:19.57 | extor | whips out the BS-o-meter and waves it over Nyle one more time |
| 04:20.03 | extor | Un huh |
| 04:20.28 | Nyle | !nyeet |
| 04:20.28 | dpkg | Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 04:20.36 | Nyle | :( |
| 04:20.42 | Nyle | yes I try to everyday dpkg |
| 04:20.48 | martian67 | !nyeh |
| 04:20.57 | hoxu | &moo |
| 04:20.57 | aptitude | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 04:21.39 | gpm | shit that's a sweet cow sound |
| 04:22.17 | cafuego | tips aptitude |
| 04:22.25 | Nyle | cafuego, however, despite it all, I skateboarded since I was 8, I still do it a bit, Im now 27 |
| 04:22.37 | DeFender1031 | okay, i really need help with my printer. i installed hpijs and i still can't seem to be able to get it to recognise it. I'm running testing and the printer is an hp psc 1315 |
| 04:22.39 | gpm | slaughters aptitude and cooks up a steak dinner |
| 04:22.46 | cafuego | has never skateboarded. There are some levels to which I won't sink ;-) |
| 04:22.57 | Nyle | cafuego, its about the only sport I enjoy |
| 04:23.09 | Nyle | mostly because its a personal challenge, doing tricks successfully |
| 04:23.13 | extor | I skateboarded for a summer when I was 17 and that's it. It was fun, developed my leg muscles and coordination |
| 04:23.21 | gpm | DeFender1031: how's it connected? usb? |
| 04:23.22 | Nyle | first time I did a kickflip i was estatic |
| 04:23.30 | cafuego | has leg muscles up the wazoo |
| 04:23.31 | DeFender1031 | gpm, yes |
| 04:23.40 | gpm | DeFender1031: did you set up cups? |
| 04:23.41 | DeFender1031 | and the installer thingy said it found it |
| 04:23.42 | Nyle | cafuego, though I don't understand why every skateboarded listens to punk |
| 04:23.45 | cafuego | is dutch and has been cycling a million billion kilometers per year since he was 3 |
| 04:23.50 | Nyle | I was all my life the only skateboarded who was into metal |
| 04:23.50 | DeFender1031 | but none of my programs see it or can print to it |
| 04:23.56 | Nyle | anyway |
| 04:23.58 | gpm | DeFender1031: did you set up cups? |
| 04:24.03 | Nyle | cafuego, nice |
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| 04:24.07 | DeFender1031 | who? |
| 04:24.15 | gpm | !cups |
| 04:24.15 | dpkg | methinks cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 04:24.22 | cafuego | Nyle: sheep syndrome i suppose |
| 04:24.43 | gpm | DeFender1031: you need to install cupsys if you don't have it already |
| 04:24.44 | Nyle | cafuego, you've seen my Axes? |
| 04:24.52 | cafuego | nopes |
| 04:24.54 | gpm | then go to localhost:631 (in iceweasel) |
| 04:25.09 | gpm | and install the printer there |
| 04:25.09 | cafuego | hold on, my phone is being twittered to death |
| 04:25.16 | DeFender1031 | gpm, yeah, it's already ther |
| 04:25.35 | gpm | DeFender1031: k go to localhost:631/admin in iceweasel |
| 04:25.54 | DeFender1031 | okay |
| 04:25.57 | gpm | then click add printer |
| 04:25.57 | Nyle | pic paste is awesome |
| 04:26.01 | gpm | and follow the prompts |
| 04:26.08 | gpm | login as root if the screen pops up |
| 04:26.23 | gpm | when you're all done you should be able to print a test page and all that good fun |
| 04:26.28 | Nyle | cafuego, http://picpaste.com/pics/100_0092.1213071972.JPG |
| 04:26.28 | gpm | g'luck |
| 04:26.29 | DeFender1031 | thanks |
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| 04:26.35 | DeFender1031 | i'll let you know if it works |
| 04:26.36 | Nyle | cafuego, http://picpaste.com/pics/100_0092.1213071972.JPG <--sexy |
| 04:27.17 | gpm | meh |
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| 04:28.40 | `ns` | I've run into a problem with darcs, in debian/testing . I haven't used it in a few months, and now when I try to do anything with it I get the following error : darcs: timer_create: Invalid argument . any ideas ? |
| 04:28.44 | DeFender1031 | gpm, hmm, it's here, but the test page isn't printing |
| 04:29.00 | DeFender1031 | and the printer's not acting as if it even knows it needs to print |
| 04:29.18 | Nyle | http://photos-375.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v249/139/106/1219977375/n1219977375_53598_4769.jpg |
| 04:29.28 | Nyle | check out this picture |
| 04:29.31 | Nyle | its freaking awesome |
| 04:29.47 | Nyle | i put it on debian group on facebook |
| 04:29.48 | Nyle | :D |
| 04:29.59 | mimcpher | Nice Nyle. |
| 04:30.00 | mimcpher | Haha. |
| 04:30.19 | gpm | DeFender1031: sorry, don't know what to tell ya. check the cups log in /var/log...look for clues |
| 04:30.28 | `ns` | nice label |
| 04:30.59 | gpm | also obvious shit |
| 04:31.03 | gpm | (is it plugged in, etc.) |
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| 04:31.31 | DeFender1031 | gpm, nothing in the logs, and yes all the obvious shit is accounted for |
| 04:31.32 | gpm | that image is pretty old isn't it (don't get me wrong, it's awesome)? |
| 04:31.45 | gpm | DeFender1031: huh, guess you are SOL, sorry! |
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| 04:32.27 | Nyle | no idea man |
| 04:32.35 | Nyle | I found it recently and I liked it so i put it on facebook |
| 04:32.46 | Nyle | originally done in SVG |
| 04:32.56 | Nyle | I think |
| 04:33.14 | cafuego | stoled from grolsch |
| 04:33.30 | cafuego | used to live next to the brewery |
| 04:34.03 | Nyle | cafuego, stolen* |
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| 04:34.31 | cafuego | stoled |
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| 04:34.37 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:34.41 | Nyle | word |
| 04:34.52 | cafuego | your lolcats dictionary is broked |
| 04:35.20 | Nyle | yes apparantly so |
| 04:35.21 | gpm | stoled makes way more sense |
| 04:35.21 | DeFender1031 | gpm, okay, got it to start, but it keeps dying due to "filter errors" |
| 04:35.21 | liable | http://crichi.com/crisel/pichas/cantbrain.jpg |
| 04:35.21 | jroes | anyone know what the test sound is supposed to sound like in System > Prefs > Sound > Sound Playback? |
| 04:35.28 | dihymo | how do I get subpixel in LXDE |
| 04:35.39 | Nyle | you mean LCD |
| 04:35.42 | DeFender1031 | jroes, kde? |
| 04:35.53 | jroes | GNOME |
| 04:35.58 | DeFender1031 | no idea |
| 04:36.02 | gpm | DeFender1031: what kind of filter errors? |
| 04:36.02 | dihymo | no LXDE, lightweight desktop |
| 04:36.13 | DeFender1031 | gpm, all the log says is filter errors\ |
| 04:36.15 | Nyle | gnome-control-center > fonts |
| 04:36.26 | Nyle | or gnome-font- something package/binary |
| 04:36.31 | zxcvbs | you, how knows more about irc, where is a more social, server. im trying to say less related to computers, without fall in the stupidity of everyday. |
| 04:36.34 | dihymo | doesn't work in lxde |
| 04:36.34 | gpm | DeFender1031: i never had those...try googling the error maybe? |
| 04:36.39 | Nyle | which is what is called from the control center anyway |
| 04:36.45 | Nyle | you specify subpixel hinting there |
| 04:36.49 | Nyle | I know its there cuz its there |
| 04:37.13 | DeFender1031 | gpm, and now all of a sudden i'm having errors connecting to localhost |
| 04:37.15 | dihymo | well bback |
| 04:37.22 | zxcvbs | more scientific |
| 04:37.29 | DeFender1031 | localhost:631 rather |
| 04:38.06 | gpm | uh oh! |
| 04:38.11 | Nyle | Debian Bug tracking system Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997,2003 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson. |
| 04:38.14 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:38.23 | Nyle | the bts is copyrighted? |
| 04:38.34 | cafuego | everything is copyrighted |
| 04:38.38 | gpm | haha |
| 04:38.43 | cafuego | happens by virtue of being created |
| 04:38.46 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:38.52 | enouf | you just noticed? lmao |
| 04:38.54 | Nyle | nm I was thinking something else |
| 04:39.00 | cafuego | then question is, how is it licensed |
| 04:39.09 | Nyle | cafuego, yeh I jumped there somehow |
| 04:39.23 | Nyle | i see the word copyright and i'mlike whoah hey and then im like oh ok i see |
| 04:39.54 | gpm | nchipher is a company ian jackson work(ed?) for and they use bts too |
| 04:39.57 | DeFender1031 | gpm, any help? |
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| 04:40.20 | gpm | DeFender1031: i don't know what kind of errors your having connecting to localhost:631 |
| 04:40.39 | gpm | DeFender1031: in general, being as specific as humanly possible helps |
| 04:41.40 | DeFender1031 | why should the port work for a bit then suddenly close? |
| 04:42.06 | gpm | it shouldn't do that |
| 04:42.15 | DeFender1031 | well it did... |
| 04:42.34 | gpm | i'm sorry to hear that |
| 04:42.38 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 04:42.44 | Nyle | what a response |
| 04:42.58 | Nyle | ohhh man thats funny hehehe |
| 04:43.15 | gpm | no, i honestly want to help |
| 04:43.24 | gpm | DeFender1031: you see anything in the logs? |
| 04:43.26 | gpm | now |
| 04:43.38 | gpm | something might be in the logs to explain why you can't connect anymore |
| 04:43.48 | DeFender1031 | hmm |
| 04:43.52 | cafuego | offhand, if cupsd dies that would happen eh |
| 04:43.55 | gpm | or you can try /etc/init.d/cup restart |
| 04:43.56 | DeFender1031 | nope |
| 04:43.59 | DeFender1031 | nothing |
| 04:44.09 | Nyle | pizaa and sprite |
| 04:44.11 | gpm | try restarting cups then |
| 04:44.19 | DeFender1031 | well i tried apt-get update then installing it again, and it is working now |
| 04:44.29 | gpm | ok, so now you can connect |
| 04:44.52 | gpm | try another test page |
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| 04:45.12 | gpm | man, i wonder what pizaa is |
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| 04:45.29 | Nyle | shaddup ;) |
| 04:46.17 | DeFender1031 | gpm, same errors... |
| 04:46.42 | gpm | please copy/paste these filter errors |
| 04:46.43 | gpm | !paste |
| 04:46.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 04:46.46 | gpm | don't paste in here |
| 04:46.53 | DeFender1031 | i tried removing the printer and reinstalling it cause there were two drivers that looked like they'd work... now there are none... upgrading hpijp or whatever it is now |
| 04:47.08 | Nyle | ijs |
| 04:47.16 | DeFender1031 | whatever |
| 04:47.19 | gpm | lol |
| 04:47.32 | Nyle | mmm |
| 04:47.59 | Nyle | onions + green pepperd + beef pizza |
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| 04:48.24 | gpm | que-sa-dil-la |
| 04:48.50 | Nyle | I like nacho + queso |
| 04:49.01 | Nyle | velveta |
| 04:49.13 | Nyle | good nacho joint is hard to find |
| 04:49.17 | DeFender1031 | http://paste.debian.net/5990/ |
| 04:49.52 | gpm | what's with all the unauthorized stuff? |
| 04:50.02 | gpm | did it ask you for a username/pass? |
| 04:50.10 | gpm | when you went to localhost:631/admin? |
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| 04:50.56 | DeFender1031 | gpm, yeah, that's from the times it asked me for one |
| 04:51.14 | DeFender1031 | it apparently got an access error, asked me to login, then worked |
| 04:51.28 | gpm | who did you log in as? root or normal user? |
| 04:51.45 | DeFender1031 | root when it asked me to |
| 04:51.50 | gpm | huh |
| 04:52.54 | gpm | i'm stumped, i mean you could try re-adding and double-checking all the steps but from what you told me it should work |
| 04:53.31 | DeFender1031 | what IS a filter error? |
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| 04:58.00 | gpm | DeFender1031: hey, i'm finding some stuff on google that says this is an hplip/ijs error |
| 04:58.16 | gpm | try removing those guys, restarting cups, re-adding the printer, and then printing a test page |
| 04:58.44 | Kai | how do you completely remove a package with apt-get . ive tried apt-get --purge remove <pacakge> ie: apache2 .. and apt-get clean , but the executable for apache2 remains |
| 04:59.03 | gpm | what executable? |
| 04:59.07 | Kai | and starts on startup, mind you i know how to remove it by hand, but how do you get apt-get to remove it rather than just say its removed |
| 04:59.19 | gpm | oh you removed apache2 |
| 04:59.33 | gpm | but apache2 is just a package-that-installs-other-packages |
| 04:59.35 | Kai | /usr/sbin/apache2 /// etc |
| 04:59.36 | Kai | and others |
| 04:59.44 | gpm | you need to remove the other ones |
| 04:59.49 | Kai | ... |
| 05:00.00 | DeFender1031 | gpm, remove hpijs and hplip? |
| 05:00.04 | gpm | apache2-mpm-worker or somesuch |
| 05:00.05 | Kai | how do you know what they are, and why is "/usr/sbin/apache2" still there |
| 05:00.17 | gpm | Kai: apt-cache show apache2 |
| 05:00.28 | gpm | looks at dependancies and see which one(s) you have installed |
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| 05:00.35 | gpm | DeFender1031: yeah |
| 05:00.39 | gpm | you can grab them later |
| 05:00.40 | Kai | Package apache2-mpm-worker is not installed, so not removed |
| 05:00.44 | gpm | ok |
| 05:00.48 | gpm | hows about another one? |
| 05:01.03 | gpm | prefork? |
| 05:01.10 | gpm | event? |
| 05:01.19 | Nyle | free pork |
| 05:01.29 | Kai | trying |
| 05:01.57 | gpm | Kai: btw, no package in stable provides the file /usr/sbin/apache2 |
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| 05:02.29 | DeFender1031 | gpm, after removing them, it doesn't even begin to print, just says there are filter errors |
| 05:02.33 | gpm | Kai: oh wait, i'm dumb |
| 05:02.34 | gpm | nm |
| 05:02.35 | Kai | now i got it uninstalls but it left residue, the init script is still there but throwing an error thats theres no MPM |
| 05:02.52 | gpm | did you purge the prefork or whatever was installed? |
| 05:02.57 | gpm | oh wait |
| 05:03.01 | Kai | how do you get apt-get to cleanly undo all it did to install <package> >_> |
| 05:03.07 | niru | I have a sony vaio whose monitor resolution is 1366x768 |
| 05:03.07 | Kai | yes i purged |
| 05:03.18 | gpm | haha, well unfortunately apt-get doesn't remove things that were installed as depdancies |
| 05:03.20 | niru | but it does not take 1366x768 |
| 05:03.23 | gpm | aptitude tries to |
| 05:03.27 | gpm | and does pretty well |
| 05:03.28 | niru | and takes everytime 1024x768 |
| 05:03.31 | niru | how can I canhge it |
| 05:03.40 | niru | when I give xrandr --fb 1366x768 |
| 05:03.49 | niru | it says a |
| 05:03.57 | gpm | DeFender1031: wait, you removed them, removed the printer from cups, restarted cups, added the printer again, and tried to print a test page, and all you got was the same error? |
| 05:03.58 | niru | screen cannot be larger than 1024x1024 |
| 05:04.11 | niru | whereas windows take 1366x768 |
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| 05:04.39 | hhMish | Is there command or script to uninstall or GUI-related packages from existing debian ? |
| 05:04.48 | Kai | gpm, so how do you clean up the residue that this method left behind, like the init script, dont want these errors on startup and want a fast one stop solution to remove things installed with apt-get, will aptitude do that? or is there a way with apt-get? im fine with going through dependancies but i definatly want it to clean up after itself at least a little |
| 05:04.51 | gpm | Kai: so anyway, i think you probably have the init script from apache2-common or something |
| 05:05.01 | gpm | or apache2.2-common |
| 05:05.03 | gpm | something like that |
| 05:05.14 | Kai | aha |
| 05:05.16 | Kai | maybe |
| 05:05.16 | DeFender1031 | gpm, without them, i can't install the printer, the drivers don't appear on the list |
| 05:05.17 | gpm | you should learn to use apt-file |
| 05:05.22 | gpm | it can tell you where files came from |
| 05:05.23 | Kai | Aha |
| 05:05.25 | Kai | that did it |
| 05:05.27 | gpm | and pdo |
| 05:05.34 | Kai | i shall |
| 05:05.35 | Kai | thanks |
| 05:05.35 | crweb | House_Blend_Pete: please do not spam me |
| 05:05.38 | gpm | Kai: np |
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| 05:05.57 | gpm | DeFender1031: the hplip drivers won't show up, but maybe something close enough? |
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| 05:06.16 | DeFender1031 | gpm, nope, closest thing is for the hp psc 500... |
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| 05:06.26 | gpm | well try it |
| 05:06.31 | gpm | even though it isn't the right one |
| 05:06.33 | gpm | just to see |
| 05:06.49 | gpm | if that doesn't work, then it's either something you're not telling me or it's a bug in cups |
| 05:07.12 | DeFender1031 | hmm |
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| 05:07.40 | DeFender1031 | actually, hp photosmart 1315 looks closer |
| 05:07.48 | DeFender1031 | i'll try that one |
| 05:08.11 | DeFender1031 | what's the diff between pcl3 and cdj970? |
| 05:08.15 | gpm | ok. if you're still screwed, check out bugs.debian.org/cupsys and see if anyone else has posted your problem, if not, report the bug or see if anyone else in here will help you |
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| 05:08.28 | gpm | DeFender1031: and as always, google is your friend |
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| 05:09.23 | reZo | is there any equilizer for amixer / alsamixer that i can use to adjust bass etc? |
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| 05:13.28 | enouf | good question, when you find one, let us know (btw, 'equalizer') .. that "Tone Control" just ain't cutting it, eh? :-) |
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| 05:14.54 | vn | hiya, whats already the name of the ncurses tool that helps you to manage which services will start at the actual runlevel? |
| 05:15.05 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 05:15.05 | dpkg | i heard rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 05:15.22 | enouf | also, see /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 05:15.54 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 05:18.02 | vn | thats it! |
| 05:18.03 | vn | thx |
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| 05:21.25 | enouf | yeah, rcconf is great for all the major runlevel 2-5 startups, but IIRC, ignores 0,6,1, and S .. but, i think sysv* and those variants don't, i know sysv-rc-conf doesn't |
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| 05:23.04 | BubbaT | I'm trying to setup flash as a iceweasel plugin. I'm using nspluginwrapper as instructed on a lot of sites, but keep getting the error: |
| 05:23.08 | BubbaT | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** preloader not found |
| 05:23.37 | nevyn | BubbaT: try apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:23.54 | nevyn | and nspluginwrapper shouldn't be required for iceweasel |
| 05:24.04 | enouf | dpkg: rcconf <reply> =~ s/the// |
| 05:24.04 | dpkg | enouf: i didn't have anything called 'rcconf <reply>' to modify |
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| 05:26.01 | enouf | dpkg: rcconf =~ s/frontend to /frontend to/ |
| 05:26.01 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 05:27.27 | peterrooney | with a new install of etch (basic + desktop in tasksel) , dhcp is not doing well on reboot. i added eth0 to the auto line, and took out eth0 from hotplug line. dhclient _says_ it's grabbing a lease during boot, but logging in and running ifconfig eth0 denies such. |
| 05:27.59 | enouf | peterrooney: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:28.20 | nevyn | peterrooney: does desktop pull in network-manager? |
| 05:28.31 | enouf | peterrooney: why a hotplug line? wifi + wired? |
| 05:28.31 | peturIceland | Anyone here from Boston area???? |
| 05:28.45 | enouf | yes |
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| 05:29.02 | peturIceland | enouf u from boston? |
| 05:29.06 | enouf | but not me :-) |
| 05:29.10 | peturIceland | ohh damn |
| 05:29.15 | peturIceland | im close to boston atm |
| 05:29.22 | BubbaT | nevyn, funny thing, acording to debian.org there is a version of that package for etch-backport and a version of that package for sid, but not one for lenny. ( Guess what I'm running!) |
| 05:29.23 | peturIceland | =D |
| 05:29.24 | enouf | i'm close enough though |
| 05:29.28 | peturIceland | how close |
| 05:29.31 | peturIceland | ? |
| 05:29.36 | icenine | is _in_ boston now. |
| 05:29.36 | enouf | NYC metro close |
| 05:29.50 | icenine | was hoping someone went to the user group here. |
| 05:29.54 | beardy | is far from Boston. |
| 05:29.57 | enouf | it's a small bike hike to Boston :-P |
| 05:30.01 | peturIceland | enouf i went to nyc in a suv.. it was TERRIFYING for a small town g33k like me |
| 05:30.06 | icenine | enouf: fung wah |
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| 05:30.18 | enouf | wai? |
| 05:30.18 | nevyn | BubbaT: :( |
| 05:30.25 | Neeesat | Good morning |
| 05:30.27 | icenine | enouf: 50% chance of arrival |
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| 05:30.35 | peturIceland | enouf... traffic..and i paid like 49$ for parking the car for 3 hours... |
| 05:31.03 | peterrooney | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1043528 |
| 05:31.04 | enouf | sounds about right |
| 05:31.07 | WormFood | peturIceland, I wouldn't drive in NYC |
| 05:31.16 | nevyn | peturIceland: you don't drive in NYC are you insane?' |
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| 05:31.30 | peturIceland | Ye i know.. people told me before but i kinda took the risk :! |
| 05:31.31 | WormFood | peturIceland, now if you want some fun, drive in a big city in china....now that is fuckin' craaaazy! |
| 05:31.32 | peterrooney | enouf: I have no idea why the default had a hotplug line |
| 05:31.45 | enouf | peterrooney: you need an auto eth0 line |
| 05:31.45 | WormFood | I have driven in Miami...that is nothing....but I'd never drive in NYC |
| 05:31.57 | nevyn | WormFood: so the funniest thing about that.. is you think you get it.. |
| 05:32.00 | Neeesat | How can I make debian automount cdrom as soon as I enter a dvd in the drive? |
| 05:32.05 | enouf | peterrooney: and remove the eth0 that's oin the auto lo line |
| 05:32.07 | nevyn | like "traffic lights mean nothing" |
| 05:32.25 | nevyn | then you go to the next town at 10pm and you stop at a red light when there's no traffic at all |
| 05:32.29 | WormFood | in China, I've seen people run every red light they came to |
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| 05:32.37 | beardy | You can't mount a cd if you put in a dvd. |
| 05:32.41 | beardy | !automount |
| 05:32.41 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 05:32.48 | beardy | !autofs |
| 05:32.49 | dpkg | hmm... autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
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| 05:33.03 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 05:33.17 | yetifoot | why is House_Blend_Pete spamming me? |
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| 05:33.36 | yetifoot | hi, i just moved onto lenny, and ntp is no longer in the repo, and the installer said it said the time itself, is ntp no longer necessary? |
| 05:33.45 | yetifoot | set the time* |
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| 05:33.56 | beardy | !ops House_Blend_Pete spammer |
| 05:33.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: House_Blend_Pete spammer |
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| 05:34.12 | enouf | bah beardy ;-) -->!ops House_Blend_Pete is spamming ... |
| 05:34.27 | man_in_shack | i've also reported it to #freenode |
| 05:34.37 | peterrooney | nevyn: yes, network-manager was installed. |
| 05:34.38 | beardy | enouf: What? |
| 05:34.40 | enouf | he spammed others in here too |
| 05:34.49 | enouf | beardy: nothing, you were quicker |
| 05:35.00 | liable | ops envy! |
| 05:35.09 | man_in_shack | i'm going to be installing an amd64 unstable system. which netinstall should i use? |
| 05:35.37 | beardy | yetifoot: Have you checked the bugtracker? |
| 05:35.39 | man_in_shack | should i go for etch or lenny netinstallers? |
| 05:35.47 | WormFood | man_in_shack, you don't install unstable |
| 05:36.01 | liable | yes you can |
| 05:36.02 | beardy | yetifoot: ntp is necessary, if you want ntp, either there is a problem or the packagename has changed only. |
| 05:36.06 | enouf | peterrooney: how we doin; ? |
| 05:36.26 | man_in_shack | WormFood, either way, i want to know if i should download the etch or lenny netinstall |
| 05:36.28 | enouf | man_in_shack: use the etch installer |
| 05:36.33 | WormFood | yes |
| 05:36.34 | yetifoot | beardy, thanks, i'll try and find some info on the tracker |
| 05:36.35 | vasuvi | man_in_shack: I'd use the recently released Lenny Beta 2 net-installer, and do an expert install (which is the only way you'll get an option for sid) |
| 05:36.36 | man_in_shack | yay, decision made |
| 05:36.41 | enouf | man_in_shack: the lenny installer is ifor testing and in beta |
| 05:36.42 | liable | try the new neta2 |
| 05:36.43 | WormFood | then "upgrade" to unusable |
| 05:36.47 | liable | beta2* |
| 05:36.55 | liable | you can install unstable.. |
| 05:36.58 | enouf | stands corrected |
| 05:37.16 | man_in_shack | i hear a few people recommending lenny beta2 |
| 05:37.34 | enouf | netboot , and businesscard.iso also allows for a sid install |
| 05:37.39 | enouf | IIRC |
| 05:37.43 | liable | if you install in expert mode, it will let you chose unstable mirrors |
| 05:37.47 | enouf | but don't install sid |
| 05:38.06 | BubbaT | What is beta2? |
| 05:38.13 | WormFood | an install of sid is not supported |
| 05:38.13 | enouf | man_in_shack: be prepared to run into issues - how new is your hardware? |
| 05:38.23 | WormFood | you should install stable or testing, then upgrade to unstable |
| 05:38.25 | man_in_shack | enouf, very :) |
| 05:38.26 | yetifoot | beardy, i'm never sure how to use the bt, i;m looking at the graph on this page, and it seems ntp is still the same name, am i doing it wrong? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482628 |
| 05:38.26 | beardy | yetifoot: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntphttp://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntp |
| 05:38.35 | man_in_shack | i'm more likely to install etch/sid then upgrade to unstable |
| 05:38.39 | enouf | man_in_shack: then try lenny beta2 or EtchnHalf |
| 05:38.42 | man_in_shack | *etch/lenny |
| 05:38.45 | WormFood | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html read this man_in_shack |
| 05:38.52 | enouf | !etchnhalf |
| 05:38.52 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
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| 05:39.19 | vasuvi | In general, would y'all recommend Lenny for a home-user desktop install these days? |
| 05:39.20 | man_in_shack | so i should go for lenny beta 2 |
| 05:39.28 | enouf | man_in_shack: be prepared to file an Installation Report ;-) (especially if you try beta2) |
| 05:39.37 | WormFood | man_in_shack, if you are upgrading to sid, then it does not matter |
| 05:39.40 | enouf | man_in_shack: do you want etch o lenny? |
| 05:39.50 | yetifoot | beardy, thanks |
| 05:39.52 | WormFood | man_in_shack, read the sid faq...your questions are answered there |
| 05:40.01 | Neeesat | done it with autofs thanks |
| 05:40.18 | extor | If I am downloading an etch r3 DVD then is there any way to ensure it has the latest etch packages on it, without downloading something like a lenny DVD? I see a DVD called "update" in the directory list but not sure if that contains the most up to date Etch packages? |
| 05:40.29 | extor | Or is etch n half what I am looking for? |
| 05:40.37 | enouf | Neeesat: if you have Gnome or KDE , they have their own settings that do automounting upon insertion |
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| 05:40.58 | man_in_shack | extor, etch is etch. it is not lenny :) |
| 05:41.01 | yetifoot | waves at sauvin |
| 05:41.02 | enouf | r3 is hat latest |
| 05:41.07 | enouf | r3 is the latest |
| 05:41.35 | sauvin | Yeti!! :D |
| 05:41.45 | yetifoot | you could do a jigdo update on the r3 DVD to get any that changed since then thought right? |
| 05:41.45 | Phase | Whats the file with the nameserver settings? |
| 05:41.47 | Phase | I forgot. |
| 05:41.49 | mot | question..anybody know of any gui tools that will look at all of the nearby wireless points and guesstimate their proximity based on signal strength? |
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| 05:41.54 | peterrooney | enouf: still no joy. added an ifconfig sanity test after initial `ifup -a' in the networking startup script, but it's gone by the time login happens. lying bastard says "renewal in 232476 seconds. i may have to put more ifconfig tests in rc2.d to find out when exactly it's being lost. |
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| 05:42.02 | WormFood | Phase, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:42.04 | man_in_shack | i'm going to try lenny beta2 |
| 05:42.07 | man_in_shack | cya lata |
| 05:42.09 | enouf | Phase: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 05:42.10 | Phase | WormFood, Thanks :) |
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| 05:42.25 | enouf | Phase: and maybe /etc/ns* |
| 05:42.43 | WormFood | the normal place is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:43.00 | enouf | my typing is s-l-o-w .. depends what you're doing |
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| 05:43.03 | WormFood | unless you are talking about changing it within the dhcp client (which in turn edits resolv.conf) |
| 05:43.05 | ktne | hello |
| 05:43.06 | CcSsNET_ | mot, goto wi-foo.com for a great site |
| 05:43.23 | ktne | i'm trying to add debian-unnoficial to sources.list but i get a key error after aptitude update |
| 05:43.26 | mot | thanks |
| 05:43.38 | WormFood | mot, you can't even guess with radio waves, because signal strength is relative |
| 05:43.43 | enouf | peterrooney: checked /var/log/dhcp* ? |
| 05:43.51 | beardy | yetifoot: It's not always easy no.. the thing to get it on would be "Outstanding bugs -- Serious (policy violations or makes package unfit for release); Unclassified (1 bug)" the unfit for release, why it is not in. |
| 05:43.59 | ktne | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 |
| 05:44.01 | enouf | peterrooney: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:44.01 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1043532 |
| 05:44.02 | mot | WormFood, i know there are utilities that guesstimate distance. |
| 05:44.17 | WormFood | it is not a "guesstimate", it is a complete guess |
| 05:44.20 | enouf | peterrooney: you shouldn't need to do ifconfig at all |
| 05:44.32 | WormFood | there is no estimate with that....it is a complete and total guess |
| 05:44.38 | enouf | peterrooney: it should come up auto .. |
| 05:44.45 | enouf | peterrooney: dmesg also |
| 05:44.54 | CcSsNET_ | mot, also check out ccssr.net later if bored its my site |
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| 05:45.15 | WormFood | I used to work on radios for a living....I know how radio waves act....they act the same way on wireless as they do with lower frequencies (for the most part) |
| 05:45.34 | ktne | anyone know how can i solve this key issue? |
| 05:45.52 | enouf | peterrooney: also, ebnable bootlog - do; /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 05:45.59 | enouf | Mon Jan 21 21:36:29 2008: Running 0dns-down to make sure resolv.conf is ok...done. |
| 05:45.59 | enouf | Mon Jan 21 21:36:29 2008: Setting up networking.... |
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| 05:46.49 | enouf | ktne: you sure you want that repo ? |
| 05:46.59 | enouf | ktne: there's a FAQ there for you |
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| 05:47.23 | ktne | enouf: i followed the FAQ, i downloaded the key and did an apt-key add <file> |
| 05:47.43 | enouf | ktne: someone else had an issue too .. but it was easily fixed, hrm ... |
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| 05:48.26 | enouf | ktne: look to see /root/.gpg contains what's required, also gpg --listkeys |
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| 05:48.44 | enouf | ktne: and maybe ~/.gnupg |
| 05:48.59 | enouf | my bad - yeah, the dir is .gnupg, iirc |
| 05:48.59 | Jemt | House_Blend_Pete is a spam bot :-/ |
| 05:49.18 | enouf | Jemt: ops have been told |
| 05:49.24 | Jemt | Okay, thanks |
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| 05:49.39 | enouf | use /ignore for now i guess |
| 05:49.51 | Jemt | Yep |
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| 05:51.40 | enouf | ktne: have you taken care of the openssl thingy? see /topic |
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| 05:51.47 | Jemt | I have Debian installed on a USB device which I carry around. I want to load the best driver available for the graphic card. I have created a shell script that runs 'hwinfo --gfxcard' and parses the Vendor-line. It checks whether it is produced by Intel, ATI og NVidia and loads either 'i810', 'ati' or 'nv'. Will this work in most cases? If none of the 3 vendors were found, VESA is loaded instead (in xorg.conf) |
| 05:52.05 | Jemt | og = or |
| 05:52.42 | beardy | Jemt: x.org does autoconfiguring on startup, so, have you checked that it really doesn't do that without your script already? |
| 05:53.13 | enouf | Jemt: best is to do lspci -nn | grep VGA ; and then something like; grep '1022\ .*2000' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap .. hrm .. but the best Xorg module? not sure offhand |
| 05:53.21 | Jemt | beardy: xorg 7.1 is not capable of determining the driver unfortunately. I have left out the 'modes' so it uses the best resolution |
| 05:53.30 | beardy | Jemt: I see. |
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| 05:54.26 | ktne | enouf: now i've got the key into gpg and it's in apt-key too |
| 05:54.27 | enouf | Jemt: ask in #debian-x on oftc.net |
| 05:54.44 | enouf | Jemt: let them know the version of Xorg exactly |
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| 05:55.44 | Jemt | enouf: Thanks, your solution sounds interesting. I see a lot of modules in the file you mentioned. But most of those drivers are not even available when I run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. What are they for ? |
| 05:55.58 | Jemt | enouf: Might be a better place to ask, yes. I will try that too |
| 05:56.02 | ktne | enouf: i'm executing that line from the topic but it fails with that error |
| 05:56.05 | enouf | Jemt: they are Kernel modules |
| 05:56.19 | ktne | enouf: i already have the key in gpg and apt-key databases |
| 05:56.29 | enouf | Jemt: Xorg modules are something else - they talk to the kernel through Xlib, iIRC |
| 05:56.31 | Jemt | enouf: So they got nothing to do with xorg (?) |
| 05:56.36 | Jemt | Okay |
| 05:56.53 | Jemt | It's an xorg module I need :) |
| 05:56.59 | Jemt | I'l try #debian-x :) |
| 05:57.03 | Jemt | I'll |
| 05:57.34 | enouf | Jemt: for example; on my system ~$ lshal | grep driver | grep agp |
| 05:57.35 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.37 | Jemt | Hm, pretty empty. People might check in later :) |
| 05:58.16 | enouf | and grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log reveals nv_drv |
| 05:58.21 | Jemt | enouf: Ah, yes. Seems there are many ways to get hardware information :) |
| 05:58.28 | enouf | Jemt: yes |
| 05:59.01 | ktne | i'm going crazy with this :) |
| 05:59.09 | ktne | any other way i can get xv for debian? |
| 05:59.14 | enouf | Jemt: now, check this result ~$ ls -l /sys/bus/pci/drivers |
| 05:59.29 | enouf | ktne: sure .. hrm xv what? |
| 05:59.39 | ktne | xv viewer :) |
| 05:59.48 | Jemt | enouf: Loaded drivers ? |
| 05:59.57 | ktne | enouf: it's on debian-unnoficial |
| 06:00.08 | enouf | Jemt: yep, kernel ones, now, note that channel is a dev channel, so be patient :-0 |
| 06:00.13 | enouf | ktne: one sec |
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| 06:01.14 | |mmk[null]| | House_Blend_Pete is spammmmmer |
| 06:01.48 | Jemt | enouf: Ah, fancy. This is valuable information for me. My knowledge on modules and hardware under Linux is way to limited :) |
| 06:02.22 | Jemt | <Jemt> House_Blend_Pete is a spam bot :-/ |
| 06:02.22 | Jemt | <enouf> Jemt: ops have been told |
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| 06:03.52 | milestone | hi folks, how can i determine the character encoding of a textfile? |
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| 06:04.25 | enouf | Jemt: heh, ~$ ls -l /sys/bus/pci/drivers/* | grep module |
| 06:04.43 | enouf | ktne: so, ~$ apt-cache search xv | grep ^xv doesn't return what you want? |
| 06:04.45 | Jemt | milestone: file <your file> might do it |
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| 06:05.24 | ktne | enouf: no, it's not in standard distro |
| 06:05.46 | ktne | enouf: but i've found it in debian-unnoficial, sadly it doesn't compile either |
| 06:05.55 | Jemt | enouf: A lot of symbolic links :) |
| 06:06.25 | enouf | ktne: tried backports.org ? |
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| 06:06.37 | enouf | Jemt: yep, but the names are what are important |
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| 06:07.00 | enouf | ktne: you should/can get your keys in order |
| 06:07.10 | Trewas | why would anyone care about xv anymore... has it even been updated since 90s? |
| 06:07.28 | enouf | ktne: <enouf> ktne: have you taken care of the openssl thingy? see /topic <--twice now |
| 06:07.32 | Jemt | enouf: Ah, okay. Thought I could load them by the name specified in the list; ls -l /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ |
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| 06:08.20 | enouf | Jemt: well, perhaps, but kernel modules end in .ko whereas X ones are .so - even though with "modprobe <modulename>" you don't use the .ko extension |
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| 06:09.10 | phorce1 | OK, with the exception that I'm on one of my Debian machines this is off topic but kicking my butt. I have a .CSV file with 4 fields. The LAST field contains entries that need to be minimum 6 characters. Some are not. How can I sort to float the short entries to the top? |
| 06:09.11 | Jemt | enouf: Good point :) |
| 06:09.18 | enouf | Jemt: look in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ for the X modules like; nv_drv.so |
| 06:09.24 | Jemt | Okay |
| 06:09.39 | ktne | enouf: yes i have that package installed |
| 06:10.09 | Jemt | enouf: Seems you would have to leave out _drv.so - so a bit parsing would be needed |
| 06:10.40 | enouf | Jemt: also, the reason i mentioned the symlinks is because, for ex; i have a "/sys/bus/pci/drivers/agpgart-intel" dir, BUT, when you view the symlink, you se the name module -> ../../../../module/intel_agp |
| 06:10.42 | milestone | Jemt: no, not really ... cacti1.tex: \012- LaTeX document text |
| 06:11.02 | milestone | is the output i am getting |
| 06:11.48 | enouf | Jemt: ~$ ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ does fine - now, those are what's avail, not what's loaded naturally |
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| 06:12.38 | Agiofws | tell me can this be trye |
| 06:12.40 | Agiofws | true |
| 06:12.42 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:12.42 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.42 | Agiofws | E: Broken packages |
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| 06:12.42 | Jemt | enouf: Yes, they are not always identical it seems |
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| 06:13.04 | Jemt | enouf: I get that - same drivers are available when I do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 06:13.23 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.31 | enouf | Jemt: here's another 'gotcha' to watch out for; ~$ grep 'intel_agp' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep returns nothing, BUT ~$ grep 'intel-agp' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep does ;-) notice the - replaces the _ |
| 06:13.43 | Agiofws | do i have anything wrong ? i can;t believe that its right |
| 06:13.47 | gpm | Agiofws: it can be true! |
| 06:13.49 | Agiofws | something is fucked up |
| 06:14.00 | Agiofws | on my system |
| 06:14.00 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:14.09 | gpm | what version of debian? |
| 06:14.11 | enouf | yessssssss </morpheus with an evil grin> |
| 06:14.12 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 06:14.27 | gpm | hm, doesn't dep shit usually get sorted out by testing? |
| 06:14.37 | gpm | try uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 06:14.42 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$paste < /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:14.43 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/oi8rdG39.html |
| 06:14.52 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 06:14.57 | Jemt | I'm mostly interested in having Xorg use the ATI, Intel and nVidia driver when the computer contains a graphic card supported. And that would have been really easy if the nv driver worked on _all_ nVidia cards, the 'ati' worked on _all_ ATI cards etc. |
| 06:15.15 | enouf | ktne: having a pkg installed? you should be all "upgraded" with the proper security.debian.org entries in your /etc/apt//sources.list |
| 06:15.25 | enouf | gahm, remove one / there |
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| 06:15.45 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, confusing - glad you mentioned it :) |
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| 06:16.39 | Jemt | milestone: Not sure how it's done then :-/ |
| 06:16.48 | enouf | Jemt: now man modprobe and read how it loads and unloads modules and their dependent ones ;-) |
| 06:17.01 | enouf | er, maybe man modprobe.dep |
| 06:17.03 | Jemt | enouf: Will do :) |
| 06:17.06 | Jemt | Okay |
| 06:17.15 | Jemt | Thank you. That should keep me busy for a while :) |
| 06:18.06 | enouf | Jemt: er man modules.dep and modprobe ;-) |
| 06:18.19 | Jemt | Okay, thanks :) |
| 06:18.36 | phorce1 | Agiofws: aptitude install openoffice.org-core should fix it. That happens sometimes when a package gets marked as held back for some reason. |
| 06:19.12 | enouf | Agiofws: tried the good old, apt-get -f install ? |
| 06:19.18 | Agiofws | nope |
| 06:19.38 | enouf | Agiofws: do you have any pkgs on hold? |
| 06:19.42 | enouf | !hold |
| 06:19.43 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 06:19.45 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 06:19.45 | Agiofws | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 06:20.17 | Agiofws | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 06:20.17 | Agiofws | Need to get 124MB/134MB of archives. |
| 06:20.17 | Agiofws | After unpacking 193MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 06:21.53 | enouf | Agiofws: phorce1 mentioned aptitude for a reason - on Lenny; aptitude and apt-get play nice, supposedly |
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| 06:22.12 | Jemt | enouf: Thanks for all your help. I'm off to work. Later :) |
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| 06:22.48 | phorce1 | Agiofws: looks like his apt-get is working though |
| 06:22.59 | phorce1 | err ^^^ enouf |
| 06:23.07 | enouf | phorce1: hrm, can you pad the filed with nulls ? |
| 06:23.14 | enouf | field even |
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| 06:23.31 | enouf | phorce1: yep, i see his apt-get |
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| 06:23.58 | phorce1 | enouf: I will want to pad the field with a specific character once I get the "short ones" to the top. |
| 06:24.17 | enouf | phorce1: ok, i'm lost ;-) |
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| 06:25.59 | phorce1 | enouf: 4 fields. last field is password. Needs to be 6 char minimum for import to another app. Some have password shorter than 6. I want those at the top of the file so I can pad out to 6 with "111" and inform users I have done so. |
| 06:26.36 | enouf | eww.. i have no idea :-/ sowwy |
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| 06:27.14 | enouf | phorce1: sometimes, you umight get a bite on a channel like ##linux |
| 06:27.33 | enouf | i know .. you might need a shower after :-P |
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| 06:28.11 | phorce1 | talking to jm_ on oftc #debian. He's throwing awks at me |
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| 06:30.16 | Zoup | im getting 'stdin: is not a tty' on ssh login , any idea ? |
| 06:31.11 | WormFood | Zoup, I've gotten that error before....I never fixed it, I just worked around it |
| 06:31.23 | Zoup | WormFood: how ? |
| 06:31.25 | WormFood | try "ssh -l whatever hostname.com bash" |
| 06:31.35 | WormFood | just make ssh execute bash |
| 06:31.42 | Zoup | WormFood: does not work |
| 06:31.48 | WormFood | you tried it already? |
| 06:31.53 | Zoup | WormFood: yep |
| 06:31.58 | WormFood | dunno then |
| 06:32.01 | Zoup | WormFood: also i have removed .bashrc , /etc/bashrc |
| 06:32.10 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure that is what I had (error message) |
| 06:32.15 | WormFood | Zoup, it has nothing to do with bash |
| 06:32.18 | WormFood | it is an ssh problem |
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| 06:34.38 | ayers | Hello... does anyone know off hand how the file /etc/lsb-release is generated? |
| 06:35.05 | ayers | I'm trying to figure out why update-manager is dying on startup. |
| 06:35.26 | ayers | And it seems to be because the /etc/lsb-release file contains: |
| 06:35.47 | ayers | DISTRIB_ID="" |
| 06:36.01 | enouf | phorce1: cool |
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| 06:36.21 | ayers | Where I suppose it should contain ...="Debian" |
| 06:37.04 | enouf | wtf is update-mangler? |
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| 06:38.24 | ColdFyre | wtf is this House_Blend_Pete crap |
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| 06:39.08 | ayers | enouf: well it's the tool from the System->System Administration menu (not sure what the english original names really are since I have a german locale) |
| 06:39.41 | ayers | enouf: it's also the tool that gives you that orange update icon when updates are available. |
| 06:40.04 | ayers | Yet it kept dying on me so I started investigating. |
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| 06:41.02 | enouf | ayers: which Debian release? |
| 06:41.12 | ayers | an the python code is trying to determine which configuration settings it should use (ie. Debian vs. Ubuntu) via lsb_release -i |
| 06:41.13 | enouf | ColdFyre: use /ignore, ops have been told |
| 06:41.18 | ayers | enouf: Lenny |
| 06:41.28 | ColdFyre | aye |
| 06:42.26 | ayers | and the lsb_release python code does set the default ID to Debian but it's overridden by the contents of the /etc/lsb-release file. |
| 06:42.46 | ayers | So now I'm trying to figure out where that file comes from. |
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| 06:43.27 | enouf | ayers: grep /var/lib/dpkg/info/lsb-release.postinst: |
| 06:43.31 | ayers | dpkg-query -S doesn't know it so I'm guesing it's generated by one of the lsb- packages... |
| 06:43.35 | ayers | Ahh... Thanks! |
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| 06:47.04 | enouf | ayers: another perhaps interesting file? $ less /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 06:47.29 | ayers | the strange thing is that the md5sum doesn't match... |
| 06:47.49 | ayers | i.e. it seems something has tampered with it. |
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| 06:48.31 | haxality | uh, someone who's an op, House_Blend_Pete is a spambot |
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| 06:49.18 | liable | are they still asleep? |
| 06:49.21 | peterrooney | enouf: my IP address is getting lost somewhere in /etc/rc2.d/S20dbus |
| 06:49.33 | sep | !ops <haxality> uh, someone who's an op, House_Blend_Pete is a spambot |
| 06:49.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sep complains about: <haxality> uh, someone who's an op, House_Blend_Pete is a spambot |
| 06:49.38 | enouf | peterrooney: huh? lmao |
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| 06:49.59 | haxality | thx sep! |
| 06:50.21 | enouf | ops aren't avail :-/ haven't been for hours now |
| 06:50.56 | peterrooney | enouf: never underestimate the debugging power of "ifconfig|grep 192.168" statements :) |
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| 06:52.08 | enouf | Ok .. i told someone on OFTC.net's #debian |
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| 06:52.54 | deadcat | i am trying to backup my phone numbers from my sim card to my computer using moto4lin. where is the file? |
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| 06:53.55 | enouf | Yeah! .. we have one (op) on the way .. i think ;-) |
| 06:54.13 | peterS | well, house_ seems to have wandered off |
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| 06:54.55 | enouf | ahh .. thanks peterS |
| 06:54.57 | Polarbaer | Hiiii ! |
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| 06:55.17 | enouf | peterS: fwiw, here's the who on them House_Blend_Pete is n=oet@59.16.20.45 (Oet) |
| 06:55.20 | peterS | enouf: no that wasn't me, when you say 'connection reset by peer' it is not just a typo for 'reset by peterS' |
| 06:55.26 | enouf | which you likely already know/have |
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| 06:56.01 | enouf | is confuzzled :-/ |
| 06:56.18 | keila | are all bad blocks i/o errors, even though not all i/o errors are bad blocks? |
| 06:56.26 | deadcat | moto4lin anyone? |
| 06:56.34 | deadcat | cant find the phone list |
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| 06:57.06 | enouf | peterS: FWIW, i have all /joins and /parts killed, mainly due to all the netsplitting, but i'm used to it like this now |
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| 06:57.36 | peterS | enouf: yeah, I can't really do that, it would make it too hard to op sensibly |
| 06:57.51 | enouf | indeed .. ok, |
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| 06:58.45 | peterS | anyway house_blend_pete quit with 'connection reset by peer', which is to say, his client machine abruptly killed the TCP connection to the IRC server with a RST packet. which usually indicates like a reboot or something. |
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| 06:59.57 | DigitalSith | can i upgrade my gnome to version 2.20 or higher, im currently using debian 4.0 |
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| 07:00.44 | enouf | or .. he ran away by just closing out the app (however abruptly) .. no? .. i mean heck, a kill -9 , or just yanking hte cat5e cable (or even teh ATX power) would do it ;-) |
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| 07:02.08 | enouf | wow, teh and hte typos in the same sentence :-P |
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| 07:02.45 | liable | DigitalSith: likely to be painfull. check backports |
| 07:03.53 | DigitalSith | thanx liable, when you say backports what do you mean |
| 07:04.01 | liable | backports.org |
| 07:04.11 | DigitalSith | ah thank you |
| 07:04.16 | liable | yw |
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| 07:08.56 | streuner | liable: What is a good DNS-server and free, just tell me yours |
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| 07:10.45 | liable | streuner: not sure what you mean. my domain registrar is ghandi, i use their dns. and dyndns for the other sites. ? |
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| 07:13.15 | orlly | excuse me guys i know its not this channel buisness but Is somebody know where can I find iBM i5 support? I mean channel. |
| 07:13.23 | orlly | :> |
| 07:13.28 | streuner | liable: nm, my DNS-server works now again, but thanks |
| 07:14.14 | liable | you threw me by the free bit. |
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| 07:24.48 | H2S04 | hello |
| 07:24.56 | Erick | hey i have a question how do i installed windows fonts? |
| 07:25.46 | peterrooney | Erick: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 07:26.08 | Erick | peterrooney, and how do i remvoe gdm from starting up? |
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| 07:26.57 | liable | !nodm |
| 07:26.57 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:27.00 | peterrooney | Erick: apt-get --purge remove gdm ; you might want to consider `dpkg-reconfigure debconf ' as well |
| 07:27.37 | Erick | peterrooney, i know there was another command |
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| 07:29.08 | Lagbolt | Erick, you want to keep it installed and have it not start? |
| 07:29.09 | gpm | use aptitude! |
| 07:29.15 | gpm | update-rc.d |
| 07:29.15 | Erick | Lagbolt, yes |
| 07:29.20 | Erick | update-rc.d -r gdm? |
| 07:29.24 | gpm | no |
| 07:29.49 | Erick | how do i do it? |
| 07:29.50 | Erick | then? |
| 07:29.53 | gpm | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 07:29.57 | gpm | and learn how to read a manpage |
| 07:30.05 | gpm | instead of making other people do it for you |
| 07:30.06 | Erick | thnx |
| 07:30.10 | gpm | bum |
| 07:30.11 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 07:31.28 | peterrooney | Erick: running `man man ' could help you avoid future derision. the part about sections is deep. |
| 07:31.40 | gpm | too late |
| 07:31.44 | gpm | :( |
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| 07:32.38 | gpm | oh well, i guess debian isn't just for enthusiasts anymore |
| 07:32.45 | H2S04 | I've been trying to setup a linux router but I can't get it to masquerade for some reason. I've been fiddling with it and I now when I have the dhcp server on the 'router' release an IP to a lan box I can't ping it or anything, but if I use ifconfig to set the IP I can then access ssh and all other services on the local network, except the internet. |
| 07:32.48 | gpm | g'night everyone |
| 07:33.36 | H2S04 | I tried using arno-firewall-iptables as well and that didn't seem to work correctly either. Something isn't configured right :X. |
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| 07:34.23 | adriano | hi to all |
| 07:34.42 | slxix | hi to one |
| 07:35.13 | adriano | I reconfigured my kernel for bluetooth but 2 modules, rfcomm and l2cap don't load in automatic mode when I start bluetooth service |
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| 07:35.26 | adriano | I must load this 2 modules with modprobe..why? |
| 07:35.46 | adriano | with the default kernel configuration they autoload with bluetooth service |
| 07:35.52 | trifler | Any ideas how I make transset "click" the terminal I open in order to make it transperernt? |
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| 07:36.13 | slxix | how did you reconfigure your kernel? |
| 07:36.21 | reZo | is there a way to make firefox stop using my sound card without closing firefox. whenever i use flash in firefox, i have to stop my music, then i can play the flash with sound, then i can't play my music once the flash application has finished, is there a way to resolve this? |
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| 07:36.56 | adriano | I chose in the kernel the same module for bluetooth like default kernel configuration |
| 07:37.09 | slxix | did you recompile? |
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| 07:37.14 | adriano | yes |
| 07:37.21 | adriano | it work fine |
| 07:37.27 | adriano | perfectly |
| 07:37.37 | slxix | why did you compile it as a module and not into the kernel? :) |
| 07:37.39 | adriano | but this 2 module don't autoload |
| 07:37.52 | adriano | I compile this 2 module as M in the kernel :S |
| 07:38.19 | slxix | but i think i might know a solution. i'm not very good with modules. |
| 07:38.36 | NullName | Isn't recompiling the kernel pointless these days? I thought modern distros should configure correctly at installation. |
| 07:39.00 | enouf | reZo: seems the FlashCrapPoopShit isn't freeeing up the audio device |
| 07:39.02 | adriano | I think if I compiled it as M it must be loaded with bluetooth service start |
| 07:39.11 | enouf | reZo: got alsa-oss installed? |
| 07:39.36 | adriano | but when I started bluetooth it was unloaded :S |
| 07:39.40 | slxix | NullName: recompiling is not always pointless. it is for 99.99% of people. |
| 07:39.45 | reZo | enouf: how do i check if i have alsa-oss installed? |
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| 07:39.54 | enouf | reZo: try fuser -m /dev/snd/* when that happens - and kill the PID listed |
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| 07:40.10 | NullName | slxix. Which people are the .01% and why? |
| 07:40.12 | enouf | reZo: dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i |
| 07:40.44 | reZo | no, just alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 07:40.50 | reZo | would alsa-oss resolve the issue? |
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| 07:41.15 | H2S04 | enouf: other than the simple iptables NAT script is there anything on debian that needs to happen for router. I turned /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 already. |
| 07:41.23 | adriano | for me the recompile is important |
| 07:41.38 | adriano | if I don't recompile kernel I had many errors in boot process |
| 07:41.48 | slxix | NullName: they are kernel hackers, kernel patchers, odd hardware, or specific requirements. |
| 07:42.28 | enouf | reZo: it could |
| 07:42.38 | adriano | then I must load modules manually? |
| 07:42.55 | enouf | adriano: add their name to /etc/modules |
| 07:43.00 | NullName | thanks |
| 07:43.18 | enouf | H2S04: why am i not remembering? |
| 07:43.33 | adriano | it isn't the optimal solution but it works I think :D |
| 07:43.43 | orlly | I need vsftpd expert, please msg me! |
| 07:43.48 | enouf | your situation ... did you ask me a question like .. last year? lmao |
| 07:44.07 | __ryan__ | does debian require you to use grub? or does it give an option for lilo |
| 07:44.09 | slxix | adriano: i am reading http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html and looking at where it says "apt-get install discover" |
| 07:44.20 | orlly | grub is much better mate |
| 07:44.29 | enouf | __ryan__: depends which release |
| 07:44.31 | adriano | what is discover? |
| 07:44.33 | orlly | dont use lilo |
| 07:44.44 | __ryan__ | i've been told grub is alot better, i always mess it up though |
| 07:44.53 | enouf | Lenny and better offer grub1 and grub2, IINM |
| 07:45.01 | orlly | __ryan__: Grub for serious distributions ;) |
| 07:45.04 | enouf | er, not better, more recent |
| 07:45.05 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 07:45.07 | adriano | slxix, what is discover? |
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| 07:45.16 | __ryan__ | i'm going to install 4.0r3 |
| 07:45.28 | __ryan__ | and i have lilo currently installed in the MBR |
| 07:45.39 | enouf | adriano: check out /etc/default/discover |
| 07:45.41 | gestalt42 | enouf: Because you're forgetting |
| 07:46.00 | orlly | __ryan__: do you usin Debian? |
| 07:46.03 | __ryan__ | no |
| 07:46.09 | adriano | enouf, it doesn't exist |
| 07:46.11 | enouf | gestalt42: what? |
| 07:46.13 | __ryan__ | going to be trying it for the first time |
| 07:46.14 | enouf | adriano: ok |
| 07:46.35 | adriano | but what is discover? I don't know it |
| 07:46.36 | __ryan__ | and i'm pretty much confident with everything about grub lol |
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| 07:46.45 | slxix | adriano: run aptitude and read the blurb it gives about discover. |
| 07:46.50 | enouf | adriano: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 07:46.56 | adriano | ok thanks |
| 07:46.59 | enouf | install apt-howto |
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| 07:47.07 | __ryan__ | because i think i read grub doesn't load from the MBR like my lilo does right now |
| 07:47.24 | H2S04 | enouf: I gave up and used slackware |
| 07:47.26 | orlly | What do you mean about it? |
| 07:47.32 | enouf | __ryan__: nonsense |
| 07:47.36 | enouf | if you install it there |
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| 07:47.45 | enouf | H2S04: ok |
| 07:47.50 | adriano | ah ok I understand it recognize hardware in the boot time... |
| 07:47.52 | __ryan__ | okay, just wanted to make sure it will overwrite lilo, or bad things could happen |
| 07:47.57 | orlly | __ryan__: ;) |
| 07:47.59 | H2S04 | enouf: I want to consolidate some services to one box :X |
| 07:48.00 | adriano | but it make pc slower? |
| 07:48.04 | adriano | in the boot time? |
| 07:48.06 | gestalt42 | adriano: discover == hardware autodiscovery. |
| 07:48.06 | gestalt42 | H2S04: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 07:48.09 | orlly | can be! |
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| 07:48.14 | gestalt42 | __ryan__: You can install either grub or lilo off the install, you can use any bootloader you want, really, I think there may be others packaged. |
| 07:48.18 | enouf | adriano: wanna see my uptime? :-P |
| 07:48.21 | H2S04 | gestalt42: I know how to Masquerade. |
| 07:48.27 | gestalt42 | __ryan__: I strongly recommend grub. |
| 07:48.31 | adriano | my boot time is: 12s |
| 07:48.32 | orlly | lilo or grub is faster? |
| 07:48.33 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Then what are you asking? |
| 07:48.33 | H2S04 | gestalt42: this is something with my Debian conf. |
| 07:48.36 | slxix | my uptime is 47 minutes. :) |
| 07:48.39 | orlly | i have no idea about it :) |
| 07:48.47 | H2S04 | Is there anything specific to debian that need to be altered. |
| 07:48.49 | __ryan__ | i suppose i'll start reading about grub then |
| 07:48.58 | H2S04 | Other than the usual basics. |
| 07:48.58 | orlly | my uptime is 19days ;) |
| 07:49.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.01 | adriano | slxix, you can see a football match during this time :D |
| 07:49.09 | __ryan__ | i remember hda1 is hd0 or something, that's about it lol |
| 07:49.15 | gestalt42 | 's current system is booted via EFI or something like that. |
| 07:49.26 | H2S04 | brb |
| 07:49.33 | slxix | i'm on a laptop in a hotel room. i have to powerdown everyday. :) |
| 07:49.33 | adriano | did you see italy yesterday? |
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| 07:49.41 | enouf | !tell __ryan__ about rescue |
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| 07:49.50 | enouf | just in case |
| 07:49.57 | __ryan__ | thanks |
| 07:49.58 | enouf | tuck it away |
| 07:49.58 | gestalt42 | slxix: Can't you get swsusp running? |
| 07:49.59 | __ryan__ | italy got owned |
| 07:49.59 | H2S04 | gestalt42: if it would have been covered in docs I wouldn't be here :P |
| 07:50.16 | gestalt42 | H2S04: That wH |
| 07:50.17 | adriano | I'm from italy... |
| 07:50.31 | enouf | !tell __ryan__ about rescue mode |
| 07:50.32 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Sorry, keymap issues... That still doesn't tell me what it is you're trying to do. |
| 07:50.35 | adriano | I think donadoni (CT) is very stupid |
| 07:50.35 | slxix | gestalt42: uswusp? |
| 07:51.08 | __ryan__ | thanks enouf i'll read those |
| 07:51.12 | adriano | cassano de rossi and others champions were out yesterday... |
| 07:51.13 | enouf | np |
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| 07:51.16 | gestalt42 | slxix: Um. The software suspend/hibernate package. Yeah. |
| 07:51.36 | slxix | i've never thought about using it. |
| 07:51.42 | slxix | i will consider. :) |
| 07:51.58 | gestalt42 | slxix: It works awesome on my Thinkpad. |
| 07:52.09 | adriano | boys I brb |
| 07:52.15 | adriano | thanks for the suggestions |
| 07:52.21 | gestalt42 | slxix: Main consideration is to have swap > memory. That's where you suspend to. |
| 07:52.23 | adriano | bye bye from italy ;) |
| 07:52.34 | orlly | yeah |
| 07:52.34 | gestalt42 | adriano: ciao |
| 07:52.35 | orlly | ;) |
| 07:52.40 | adriano | ciao a todos :) |
| 07:52.45 | adriano | ciao gestalt42 |
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| 07:52.48 | orlly | yesterday , italy was sooo bad |
| 07:53.01 | slxix | i meet that requirement. :) |
| 07:53.04 | adriano | orlly, I know but we are the champions :D |
| 07:53.07 | adriano | ciao slxix ;) |
| 07:53.10 | adriano | godbye |
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| 07:53.46 | slxix | wow. a godbye. neat typo. |
| 07:57.58 | H2S04 | gestalt42: I had a slackware router working fine before. |
| 07:58.35 | H2S04 | H2S04: want to move this debian box over to a router, and it doesn't seem to want to work. |
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| 07:59.06 | gestalt42 | H2S04: masquerading router? |
| 07:59.40 | H2S04 | gestalt42: Yes |
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| 08:00.08 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Prior advice then. Read the netmasq howto. |
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| 08:00.13 | peterrooney | my dhcp troubles have been narrowed down to the avahi-demon called by dbus. |
| 08:00.46 | H2S04 | gestalt42: Everything is configured correctly. |
| 08:01.03 | H2S04 | gestalt42: I've read that before and what do you think I used as a reference to check my scripts? |
| 08:01.39 | gestalt42 | H2S04: OK. Mind I popped in here in the middle of this conversation. What's not working? |
| 08:01.47 | ac3 | How can my bash script access gnome-keyring-manager for a certain password? I have a script that promps for a password which is different from my gnome login password, so i want this to be stored in the login keyring which is unlocked after successfull login. |
| 08:02.52 | __ryan__ | gonna attempt my first debian install, been a long time slackware user lol wish me luck |
| 08:02.55 | H2S04 | I don't know, I came to ask if I need to make any debian specific changes or load any modules that may be packaged differently. lsmod shows everything that _I_ think should be loaded for MASQUERADE to function. |
| 08:02.55 | __ryan__ | be back |
| 08:03.13 | yure | Hi. Is it possible to setup bonding bond0 and bond1 on same interfaces (both having eth0 and eth1) as slaves? I tried setting max_bonds=2, but it still fails. |
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| 08:05.28 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Usually: you don't have masquerading on (not sure if modules are required still), or you don't have routes configured right. |
| 08:05.52 | gestalt42 | !tell H2S04 about network drill |
| 08:05.59 | gestalt42 | H2S04: See that factoid. |
| 08:06.03 | nullie | Hi, is there way to insall older packages on debian? |
| 08:06.11 | gestalt42 | H2S04: ... methodically see what does/doesn't work on your network config. |
| 08:06.39 | gestalt42 | nullie: You can try via aptitude, but it's generally not recommended. |
| 08:06.55 | nullie | aptitude has options for that? |
| 08:06.59 | gestalt42 | nullie: Specifically, apt doesn't support downgrading. |
| 08:07.23 | gestalt42 | nullie: pinning and/or version specification, but you've still got to resolve dependencies, which may not be possible. |
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| 08:07.31 | nullie | ok |
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| 08:08.03 | gestalt42 | nullie: More often people ask about backporting newer packages to older versions of Debian. *That* works pretty well. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 08:08.13 | nullie | php5-mapscript 5.0.1 segfaults, I'll try to build 5.0.3 now, but if it doesn't help, I'll need to rollback to 4.10 |
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| 08:09.03 | peterrooney | gestalt42: i had it happpen twice: it took me a long time to accept xhcat v2 interface changes, and i still miss xplanet 0.9 with the live update scripts |
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| 08:10.50 | nullie | how can I install build-deps for source package? |
| 08:10.54 | H2S04 | gestalt42: been doing that :X |
| 08:11.19 | Snadder | Anyone have any recommendations on an appointment/todo list application? |
| 08:11.43 | slxix | Snadder: at and vim ? :) |
| 08:12.01 | Snadder | An gui one :-p |
| 08:12.10 | Snadder | With a calender |
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| 08:13.06 | gestalt42 | peterrooney: ?? |
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| 08:13.33 | peterrooney | gestalt42: where i wanted an older version of software |
| 08:14.31 | peterrooney | gestalt42: this was a long while ago, though - i was going from woody to sarge |
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| 08:16.30 | pbn | Hello, I am getting BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 on a local mirror (apt-cacher). How can I fix this ? |
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| 08:18.42 | H2S04 | gestalt42: I just rmmod iptable_filter ipt_MASQUERADE and reload |
| 08:18.50 | H2S04 | reloaded them |
| 08:18.58 | H2S04 | and it seemed to fix the problem, whatever it was. |
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| 08:19.51 | enouf | nullie: apt-get build-dep pkg |
| 08:20.09 | gestalt42 | H2S04: OK, coolio ;-) |
| 08:20.30 | gestalt42 | peterrooney: You could also try installing from sources under /usr/local. |
| 08:20.37 | H2S04 | gestalt42: I was getting extremely frustrated. :P |
| 08:20.52 | gestalt42 | peterrooney: If you're going to go that route, auto-apt can be useful. |
| 08:20.59 | nullie | enouf, that work only for packages in repo |
| 08:21.13 | gestalt42 | hands H2S04 a vat of goose grease and some magazines. |
| 08:21.14 | enouf | yeah, so? |
| 08:21.19 | gestalt42 | H2S04: ... take care of that frustration ;-) |
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| 08:21.47 | hjubal | when I load tg3.ko (built from sources) I get the error http://nopaste.info/e4c8fd5cff.html, any idea? |
| 08:21.49 | enouf | peterrooney: also stow might help |
| 08:21.54 | gestalt42 | H2S04: I've found that when things don't work, it's often either something very simple, or in the case of hardware, occasionally something that's not supported. |
| 08:22.32 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Going through the steps of configuring, and testing, the setup carefully and methodogically is your best bet for resolving the issue. |
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| 08:22.57 | slxix | hjubal: i'd guess it was for a different kernel. |
| 08:23.00 | gestalt42 | H2S04: Too, there's often an assumption you've made somewhere that's not entirely accurate that's hung you up. |
| 08:23.13 | liable | hjubal: try runnig depmod -ae and reload |
| 08:23.19 | enouf | H2S04: the thing to check with when dealing with /proc.sys is use sysctl -a | grep <whatever> and man sysctl, see /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 08:23.29 | enouf | er /proc/sys |
| 08:24.23 | hjubal | liable: I missed -e option.. |
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| 08:25.19 | enouf | hjubal: is there a system.map for your running kernel in /boot/ ? |
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| 08:31.48 | tenzind | hi.. I get this "@ERROR: chdir failed" when i do a rsycn from my pc to myserver on which i started rsync .. what could the problem be? |
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| 08:33.52 | zophy[] | wants to maintain a debian default config package where all package managers can commit their changes to their packages' default config, i will call my package Anal-analgesic |
| 08:35.05 | slxix | sounds thoughtful. |
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| 08:40.38 | simonrvn | sounds like a pain in the ass :P |
| 08:40.45 | simonrvn | j/k |
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| 08:44.30 | efaistos | does anyone know if compiz has been fixed in sid ? |
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| 08:45.27 | slxix | check the bug reports. |
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| 08:54.36 | hjubal | enouf: yes, there is "System.map-2.6.18.8-xen" |
| 08:55.33 | H2S04 | enouf: yay!! |
| 08:55.40 | H2S04 | enouf: consolidated network services! |
| 08:55.51 | enouf | where? what? |
| 08:56.08 | hjubal | :) |
| 08:56.27 | H2S04 | enouf: my router :D |
| 08:56.32 | enouf | haha |
| 08:56.52 | adv_ | if i want a daemon to start on bootup |
| 08:57.02 | adv_ | i do update-rc.d daemon1 ? |
| 08:57.07 | enouf | !rc.local |
| 08:57.07 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 08:57.12 | H2S04 | probably not the smartest way to do things, but I get tired of having all these machines making my room so hot :X |
| 08:57.27 | H2S04 | !init.d |
| 08:57.27 | dpkg | i heard init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
| 08:57.30 | H2S04 | :P |
| 08:57.45 | enouf | oh man |
| 08:57.55 | enouf | someone needs to cleanup those factoids |
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| 08:57.57 | adv_ | so update-rc.d daemon1 default |
| 08:57.58 | adv_ | right? |
| 08:58.13 | adv_ | and it will add it to rc2.d ? |
| 08:58.14 | enouf | !skeleton |
| 08:58.18 | enouf | crap |
| 08:58.23 | enouf | !startup |
| 08:58.23 | dpkg | from memory, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
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| 08:59.10 | adv_ | how can i see which services are being started on bootup\? |
| 09:01.06 | peterrooney | adv_ "\?" ? use the shell a bit much? K:) I keep hitting ^W to erase a word in GUI irc clients |
| 09:01.12 | enouf | F*** .. i said that about the cleanup b/c i mistakenly saw init.d as initrd |
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| 09:01.46 | adv_ | no it's just that it's the same button |
| 09:01.53 | enouf | ls -l /etc/rc?.d/* |
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| 09:02.00 | enouf | gah |
| 09:02.05 | enouf | ls -l /etc/rc?.d/S* |
| 09:02.13 | adv_ | not all of those are being started |
| 09:02.22 | adv_ | rc2.d is default right? |
| 09:03.15 | enouf | ls -l /etc/rc{S,2}.d/S* |
| 09:03.20 | enouf | better |
| 09:03.42 | enouf | if nobody messed with /etc/inittab it is |
| 09:04.50 | adv_ | what's rcS.d? |
| 09:05.03 | H2S04 | haha |
| 09:05.23 | H2S04 | enouf: you poor soul :X |
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| 09:06.42 | adv_ | funny. |
| 09:07.31 | enouf | goes back to bed |
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| 09:08.18 | __ryan__ | well the debian install went perfect, minus the wifi lol..of course |
| 09:09.24 | __ryan__ | i figured all it needed was the firmware, guess not |
| 09:09.24 | hjubal | can "Unknown symbols" errors depend on kernel built with gcc 4.2.3 and tg3.ko with gcc 4.2.4? |
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| 09:09.55 | family | !help |
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| 09:10.19 | family | i need some help with a good small gui irc client |
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| 09:10.37 | slxix | ? |
| 09:10.41 | family | or a gui for irssi |
| 09:10.41 | H2S04 | ?? |
| 09:10.50 | family | slxix hey hows it going |
| 09:10.53 | H2S04 | throws his chair at family |
| 09:11.03 | H2S04 | GUI for IRSSI!? Heresy! |
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| 09:11.13 | AlexCONRAD | Hi, during a unattended install (pressed) is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? I have compiled a network driver during auto-install process, and it crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ? |
| 09:11.18 | H2S04 | family: there might be some perl scripts out there to give it a GUI. |
| 09:11.29 | H2S04 | family: but I never looked I always just used IRSSI in CLI |
| 09:11.45 | __ryan__ | anyone use a broadcom wireless card? |
| 09:11.48 | family | yea im trying to keep the system light its at 400mb right now :) |
| 09:11.55 | family | ryan fwcutter |
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| 09:12.13 | __ryan__ | i used that |
| 09:12.16 | family | is there a irc with a gui thats small |
| 09:12.16 | H2S04 | family: then just learn to use it in a console :) |
| 09:12.19 | __ryan__ | put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 09:12.22 | __ryan__ | still doesn't work |
| 09:12.24 | H2S04 | family: what do you need an GUI for? |
| 09:12.35 | family | i like to use the mouse :P |
| 09:12.37 | H2S04 | screen + IRSSI == awesome |
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| 09:13.12 | family | yea you know what i might actually keep this one ill swallow my terminal into my fvwm box or something might be neat |
| 09:13.47 | family | H2S04 thanks for helping me. |
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| 09:14.29 | __ryan__ | brb gonna try something i found on google |
| 09:14.35 | family | now, i need to figure what else i need installed on the system. Iceweasel kicks arse at 28 mb |
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| 09:16.38 | family | H2S04, Any idea on how to change these bright colors out on irssi? |
| 09:18.12 | themill | family: the colours will normally be a property of the terminal program (xterm or whatever) not irsii or even screen. |
| 09:18.38 | family | aww okay. |
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| 09:19.40 | family | be back in a minute |
| 09:19.42 | family | quit |
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| 09:28.44 | RabidWeezle | Does anyone know how to extract *.ima floppy images? |
| 09:30.05 | RabidWeezle | or know how to mount em |
| 09:30.37 | hjubal | how do I know the gcc version used to build a kernel? |
| 09:31.13 | themill | hjubal: cat /proc/version |
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| 09:31.38 | themill | RabidWeezle: have you tried the normal loopback mounting tricks? mount -t <fstype> iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 09:31.39 | hjubal | themill: ..and without running it? |
| 09:32.10 | RabidWeezle | lemme try that |
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| 09:35.57 | RabidWeezle | yeah, won't mount up that way :/ |
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| 09:37.59 | adv_ | i can't get my mail with an account made with useradd |
| 09:38.13 | adv_ | useradd -s /usr/sbin/nologin testuser |
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| 09:38.54 | adv_ | whereas i can get them from a user that has being created by adduser |
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| 09:39.06 | RabidWeezle | according to one site... losetup /dev/loop0 DOSDISK1.IMA |
| 09:39.08 | South3rn | Hi |
| 09:39.12 | RabidWeezle | then mount it as a drive... |
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| 09:39.45 | flagellium | Please help I am going insane. I cant seem to mount a windows partition rw. it is set rw in fstab, and I have also tried mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 |
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| 09:40.23 | wols_ | flagellium: do you use ntfs-3g? |
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| 09:40.45 | wols_ | !tell flagellium about ntfs-3g |
| 09:40.50 | flagellium | wols_: no. The partition is just set as ntfs ini fstab |
| 09:41.12 | wols_ | it won't work with only ntfs |
| 09:41.46 | flagellium | wols_: so just apt-get install ntfs-3g , and change fstab? |
| 09:41.58 | wols_ | no. read the factoid you were given by dpkg |
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| 09:42.48 | efaistos | anyone using compiz |
| 09:42.49 | efaistos | ? |
| 09:43.13 | slxix | !anyone |
| 09:43.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:43.22 | adv_ | anyone? |
| 09:43.24 | nullguid | damn |
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| 09:43.33 | nullguid | mapscript segfaults |
| 09:43.49 | themill | RabidWeezle: I believe the losetup step isn't necessary these days because mount will do that for you if invoked with the appropriate options, but I only do this sort of thing once every couple of years so the memories become sketchy. |
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| 09:43.54 | efaistos | when i try to install compizconfig-settings-manager or compizconfig-backend-gconf dpkg wants to remove compiz-core and compiz-{gtk,gnome} |
| 09:44.07 | anyone | Nope. |
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| 09:44.27 | themill | !beer slxix |
| 09:44.27 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Pils for slxix |
| 09:44.31 | RabidWeezle | I hear ya, I can't remember the last time I mounted an IMA |
| 09:44.36 | sep | RabidWeezle, mount -o loop /imagefile /mountpoint |
| 09:44.43 | slxix | danke |
| 09:44.45 | RabidWeezle | probly since I last flashed the bios of a video card heh |
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| 09:45.00 | sep | if the imagesfile is a floppy. if it's a harddrive with partitions you need to set a ofset to start at the right location |
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| 09:45.05 | adv_ | lol |
| 09:45.15 | RabidWeezle | it's just a floppy |
| 09:45.36 | Supaplex | forgets all about floppies |
| 09:45.38 | efaistos | nobody ? |
| 09:45.56 | wols_ | efaistos: what debian branch? |
| 09:46.06 | efaistos | sid |
| 09:46.12 | efaistos | tried also |
| 09:46.14 | efaistos | lenny |
| 09:46.17 | efaistos | didnt work |
| 09:46.19 | Supaplex | welcome to unstable. |
| 09:46.33 | ac3 | How can my bash script access gnome-keyring-manager for a certain password? I have a script that promps for a password which is different from my gnome login password, so i want this to be stored in the login keyring which is unlocked after successfull login. |
| 09:46.41 | Supaplex | a paste to rafb.net/paste might help (and a measure of patience) |
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| 09:47.19 | RabidWeezle | works great sep |
| 09:47.20 | RabidWeezle | thanks |
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| 09:47.46 | fuffa | ac3: isn't gnome-kering-manager a gpg frontend? |
| 09:47.51 | slxix | efaistos: if you use aptitude, sometimes asking "aptitude why <packagename>" will help. |
| 09:47.59 | _eskimo | bye |
| 09:48.07 | RabidWeezle | setting up a dos partition for some stuff that doesn't run well in vm, dosemu or anything really :/ |
| 09:48.10 | wols_ | efaistos: try to install them all at once in one line |
| 09:48.10 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/HWfiFH59.html how can file size not be the same one ? who is right ? why ? |
| 09:48.11 | adv_ | what is rcS.d? |
| 09:48.20 | efaistos | wols_: libcompizconfig0 is 0.7.4-2 and compizconfig-backend-gconf is 0.6.0-2 |
| 09:48.24 | fuffa | if it's like that you just need to interface to gpg |
| 09:48.31 | Lagbolt | adv_, it runs when switching run levels |
| 09:48.55 | adv_ | Lagbolt: during? |
| 09:48.56 | themill | efaistos: aiui compiz is broken in lenny and might be unbroken soon |
| 09:49.08 | ac3 | fuffa: yes |
| 09:49.14 | wols_ | Lagbolt: no. it runs when you boot |
| 09:49.17 | efaistos | weird just checked on packages.debian.ogr |
| 09:49.29 | Lagbolt | adv_, during? wols_ i read about this a while back S is not startup |
| 09:49.29 | efaistos | and compizconfig-backend-gconf is (0.7.6-1 |
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| 09:49.36 | efaistos | so that one should work |
| 09:49.44 | efaistos | but made an apt-get update |
| 09:49.49 | efaistos | so should have that version |
| 09:49.50 | ac3 | fuffa: i just need some way to access the password in the underlining 'passwd database' |
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| 09:50.05 | Supaplex | too bad I need winehq more than I need fancy desktop effects. :) |
| 09:50.10 | efaistos | but an apt-cache policy compizconfig-backend-gconf show me the buggy 0.6.x version |
| 09:50.13 | Lagbolt | hmm maybe i read that wrong :( |
| 09:50.33 | wols_ | Lagbolt: switching runlevels doesn't mount kernel fs, sets kyemaps, runs bootlogd (and ends it), starts udev, etc |
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| 09:51.02 | Lagbolt | yeah i think i was reading something that was incorrect |
| 09:51.08 | fuffa | ac3: any language bindings such as python, perl or the like? |
| 09:51.22 | Sazpaimon | anyone know how to use unrar to extract to a specific directory |
| 09:51.33 | fuffa | or even ruby |
| 09:52.01 | adv_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.02 | adv_ | utodetection failed (home /home/emailtest) |
| 09:52.05 | adv_ | that is my mail.log |
| 09:52.06 | slxix | Sazpaimon: have you read the manpage or ran it with the --help option? |
| 09:52.08 | adv_ | what should i do? |
| 09:52.18 | Sazpaimon | slxix, yes |
| 09:52.31 | Sazpaimon | i dont wasnt to extract with the full path |
| 09:52.41 | Sazpaimon | i basically want to do unrar -e to a specific directory |
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| 09:53.53 | Sazpaimon | basically in the help it says "e Extract files to current directory" |
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| 09:54.51 | slxix | why don't you just change directories? |
| 09:55.08 | Lagbolt | Sazpaimon, go to where you wan them and do unrar -e ../rarfile |
| 09:55.33 | Lagbolt | or path to rar there instead of .. |
| 09:55.39 | Sazpaimon | because im trying to do this with php |
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| 09:56.13 | ac3 | fuffa: i checked cpan but, nop |
| 09:56.14 | Sazpaimon | but Lagbolt's mthod will work with php if i use chdir |
| 09:56.17 | Sazpaimon | at least, i believe so |
| 09:56.40 | Sazpaimon | only one way to find out |
| 09:58.54 | efaistos | ok i have good versions of compiz but it doesnt keep the options i tick in ccsm .... any idea ? |
| 09:59.22 | slxix | what is ccsm? |
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| 09:59.37 | _NoxIn_ | hello |
| 09:59.47 | psilocyb1n | is there any translator program in debian? |
| 09:59.59 | psilocyb1n | i can find dozens of programming language translators |
| 10:00.05 | psilocyb1n | but any of ordinary languages? |
| 10:00.06 | AlexCONRAD | Hi, during a unattended install (pressed auto-install) I have compiled a network driver. Is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? The driver crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ? |
| 10:00.09 | psilocyb1n | and which works in terminal. |
| 10:00.20 | ac3 | 6 sept 2006 ... gnome-gpg gnome-icon-theme gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-manager ... libgtk-jni libgtk2-gladexml-perl libgtk2-perl libgtk2-ruby ... |
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| 10:00.38 | ac3 | srry |
| 10:00.57 | ac3 | how do other applications access the gnome keyring? like networkmanager? |
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| 10:02.43 | _NoxIn_ | psilocyb1n : have you tried wordtrans ? |
| 10:04.11 | psilocyb1n | does it work in terminal? |
| 10:05.03 | _NoxIn_ | I don't know, I just found it by typing "apt-cache search translator", I never used it |
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| 10:06.23 | _NoxIn_ | no it's graphical or web : http://www.escomposlinux.org/rvm/wordtrans/about_en.php |
| 10:07.47 | psilocyb1n | :( |
| 10:07.51 | psilocyb1n | why, is so easy |
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| 10:08.13 | psilocyb1n | set up a server for dictionary, like one in the gnome program that finds definitions |
| 10:08.37 | psilocyb1n | and if word is missing, u could upload it to dictionary server |
| 10:09.23 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/HWfiFH59.html how can file size not be the same one ? who is right ? why ? |
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| 10:12.15 | psilocyb1n | ah there is dictd |
| 10:12.18 | psilocyb1n | + packages |
| 10:12.19 | psilocyb1n | :) |
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| 10:16.40 | dakira | hi.. how can i figure out which process opened a specific port? |
| 10:16.56 | _NoxIn_ | dakira: netstat -anp | grep portnumber |
| 10:16.57 | themill | dakira: netstat -pant |
| 10:17.12 | dakira | thanks! |
| 10:22.04 | wols_ | dakira: as root |
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| 10:22.48 | ox1 | hi |
| 10:23.02 | ox1 | can anyone please help me how to remove apache? |
| 10:23.18 | wols_ | !tell ox1 about remove apache |
| 10:23.27 | wols_ | ox1: which apache ersion? |
| 10:23.29 | dakira | wols_, yep.. worked.. thanks alot |
| 10:23.31 | ox1 | I did apt-get remove apache2 but when I open the ip in a browser there's still the apache website |
| 10:23.35 | ox1 | version 2 |
| 10:23.41 | ox1 | etch |
| 10:23.41 | wols_ | remove apach2.2-common |
| 10:23.50 | ox1 | wols: thanks! |
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| 10:24.28 | ox1 | well, it couldn't find the commons |
| 10:24.43 | ox1 | futher ps -ef |grep apache still shows me apache |
| 10:24.47 | wols_ | it exitsts. mabye different version |
| 10:25.00 | wols_ | ox1: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 10:25.00 | ox1 | I expected it do be removed by apt-get remove |
| 10:25.09 | wols_ | it's a meta package... |
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| 10:25.24 | ox1 | wols: ah, I see |
| 10:25.30 | ox1 | 4 packages there |
| 10:26.02 | ox1 | apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-utils, apache2.2-common, libapache2-mod-jk |
| 10:26.09 | ox1 | apt remove them? |
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| 10:27.37 | wols_ | so common IS there |
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| 10:29.50 | ox1 | well, now I did a remove on all those |
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| 10:30.10 | ox1 | but 2 of them still show, the common and the jk |
| 10:30.22 | ox1 | when I did a remove I said: |
| 10:30.23 | ox1 | Package apache2.2-common is not installed, so not removed |
| 10:30.35 | ox1 | but dpkg -l still lists it |
| 10:30.39 | ox1 | what's wrong? |
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| 10:30.58 | groton | hi ox1, i have problem with the jk module too |
| 10:31.19 | ox1 | groton: ok |
| 10:31.21 | _NoxIn_ | oxl dpkg list them with 'ii' or 'rc' in the first collumn ? |
| 10:31.26 | groton | ox1, maybe the package is marked as 'rc' |
| 10:31.35 | wols_ | ox1: pastebin it |
| 10:31.40 | groton | ox1, in this case, just use the "purge' command to remove it |
| 10:31.40 | ox1 | Nox: rc, yes |
| 10:31.42 | themill | ox1: dpkg -l will list removed packages too.... look at the lines at the top of the output |
| 10:31.50 | mgp | In vsftpd, how can I setup the default directory to connnect. So, now, if a user login into the ftp server the default directory is /home/user, but I would like to default dir /home |
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| 10:31.59 | _NoxIn_ | that means the pacqkache is removed but not purged |
| 10:32.17 | _NoxIn_ | the config file are still there in case you wan't to reinstall with the same config |
| 10:32.26 | ox1 | Nox: ok, but why does the webpage still show? |
| 10:32.48 | wols_ | ox1: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 10:32.56 | wols_ | then check if the binary is gone |
| 10:33.06 | ox1 | Nox: ah, no it was browser cache |
| 10:33.07 | _NoxIn_ | maybe the apache daemon did not stop for wathever reason ... the apt-ger remove should have stopped it when removed it |
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| 10:33.12 | _NoxIn_ | haha :) |
| 10:33.14 | ox1 | wols: thanks! |
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| 10:35.26 | ox1 | Nox: you explained tat config files are still in some cache in case I want to reinstall with the same configuration.... |
| 10:35.35 | ox1 | how do I remove those config files? |
| 10:35.42 | _NoxIn_ | dpkg -P package |
| 10:35.42 | dpkg | _NoxIn_: wish i knew |
| 10:35.52 | ox1 | and how would I reinstall with the sam e config if I wanted to? |
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| 10:36.55 | ox1 | Nox: perfect |
| 10:37.06 | _NoxIn_ | when you you apt-get install it should use them or at least warn like "there are config file differeing from the package ones do you want to keep, use the new ones etc ..." |
| 10:37.13 | ox1 | Nox, wols: Thanks a lot for helping! |
| 10:37.32 | ox1 | ah, I see, great |
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| 10:40.49 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/HWfiFH59.html how can file size not be the same one ? who is right ? why ? |
| 10:42.36 | groton | i set up tomcat+jk+apache2, configured an url in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf like : JkMount /servlets-examples/* ajp13_worker, and still when i browse to http://localhost/servlets-examples i get 404 error: Tue Jun 10 12:41:46 2008] [error] [client 192.168.1.119] File does not exist: /var/www/servlets-examples . Any hint? |
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| 10:43.54 | AbsintheSyringe | how do I set iptables, so it only accepts connection from a single ip? |
| 10:44.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.51 | petemc | iptables -A INPUT -s ! 1.2.3.4 -j REJECT , might work |
| 10:44.54 | petemc | not tested |
| 10:45.23 | petemc | you could just have an accept for that ip, then a blanket deny |
| 10:45.38 | AbsintheSyringe | hm, basically all I wanna do is only accept connection from lan |
| 10:46.02 | slxix | is lan on its own interface? |
| 10:46.15 | fuffa | ac3: check on libpam |
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| 10:46.59 | AbsintheSyringe | slxix, nope |
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| 10:47.20 | wols_ | LAN is more than one IP |
| 10:47.50 | vaq | 0/24 |
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| 10:50.58 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 10:54.45 | AbsintheSyringe | wols_, yes that's why I thought of including the whole broadcast domain 192.168.0.1/24 |
| 10:56.06 | slxix | if you add --syn to petemc's suggestion, that might be more of what you want. |
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| 10:57.18 | slxix | well, or not. it depends on your network setup. |
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| 10:59.32 | AbsintheSyringe | slxix, I'll do that in sec, wanna enable ssl first |
| 11:00.03 | slxix | can i retract that? :) |
| 11:00.46 | AbsintheSyringe | in what way :) |
| 11:01.11 | tenzind | hi. I have a partition in the fat32 file system. How can i mount it in Debian so that i cant be able to read, write as well as execute my files on it? |
| 11:01.43 | sep | tenzind, man mount |
| 11:01.53 | petemc | !vfatrw |
| 11:01.53 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 11:02.19 | petemc | the mount man page is large and not exactly succinct |
| 11:02.46 | tenzind | petemc: thanks |
| 11:03.29 | slxix | petemc: flattery won't make your filesystem mount any better. :) |
| 11:03.31 | __ryan__ | are there any updated guides on updating your kernel |
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| 11:03.36 | __ryan__ | i can only find old ones |
| 11:03.39 | sChaaa | no more #debian moved all on BSD, adios amigos |
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| 11:03.41 | petemc | ;) |
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| 11:04.14 | defrysk | one gone 813 more to go |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '50psgml-init' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.06 | slxix | i don't think anyone asked for that, dpkg. not in my lastlog history. |
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| 11:07.31 | tenzind | petemc: i mounted the partition as dpkg said .. but i still get this "Permission denied" error when i run a script like "./test" even though i did chmod +x |
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| 11:07.47 | Supaplex | it's in my last log, but that was 14h ago. 17:02 < stew> !find 50psgml-init testing 08:09 < dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '50psgml-init' returned no results. |
| 11:08.29 | __ryan__ | is there an updated guide to installing a new kernel? |
| 11:08.42 | slxix | Wow. dpkg is a trooper. |
| 11:08.54 | __ryan__ | or is it the same for all 2.6.* |
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| 11:09.20 | stew | wow |
| 11:09.37 | Supaplex | __ryan__: isn't aptitude update && aptitude upgrade sufficent? |
| 11:09.51 | __ryan__ | i'm not online |
| 11:10.07 | slxix | then what are you? |
| 11:10.11 | __ryan__ | my wifi card wont work without a newer kernel. |
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| 11:10.16 | __ryan__ | i mean on debian, i'm not online. |
| 11:10.19 | Supaplex | a ghost! eeek! |
| 11:10.24 | Supaplex | what wifi card? |
| 11:10.29 | defrysk | a geek gost |
| 11:10.31 | Supaplex | device/etc |
| 11:10.35 | __ryan__ | broadcom 4311 |
| 11:10.36 | Supaplex | spooky... |
| 11:10.39 | __ryan__ | i've read all the docs |
| 11:10.45 | __ryan__ | even tried ndiswrapper, failed |
| 11:10.55 | stew | __ryan__: download a kernel .deb, move it to the debian machine and install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/.deb" |
| 11:10.56 | cahoot | what kernelversion? |
| 11:11.16 | cahoot | __ryan__: ^^ |
| 11:11.27 | __ryan__ | whatever came with 4.0 r3 default..2.4.18 was it? |
| 11:11.31 | slxix | !bcm43xx |
| 11:11.31 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 11:11.45 | __ryan__ | yes i did that slxix |
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| 11:12.14 | __ryan__ | put the firmware in /lib/firmare/ |
| 11:12.16 | Supaplex | I think I have that one in my ibook. |
| 11:12.35 | Supaplex | I'd fire it up, but I'm off to bed. (5am here). laters :) |
| 11:12.51 | __ryan__ | i did everything here http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 11:13.40 | __ryan__ | so now i'm just going to try an updated kernel |
| 11:13.48 | Rayne|aedion | i tried to "hdparm -tT /dev/vzfs" on my rootDS @server4you but i got the permission denied. how can i check the hd speed? |
| 11:13.48 | basix | i've downloaded Debian etch DVD ISOs. Can I install KDE4.0 and other bleeding edge softwares on Debian and also the latest kernel 2.6.25?? |
| 11:14.03 | wols_ | __ryan__: use a kernel backport |
| 11:14.21 | __ryan__ | wols_ i'm not familiar with that |
| 11:14.33 | __ryan__ | any links?> |
| 11:14.36 | cahoot | __ryan__: FYI b43 in the newer kernels also needs an updated firmware |
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| 11:14.40 | Lagbolt | __ryan__, i have a bcm 4311 . .. i use ndiswrapper and it works. the bcm43xx driver in kernel didnt work for me with that card until much later than 18 kern and the b43 seems to work alright just not with wpa enterprise |
| 11:14.51 | wols_ | basix: no kde4, yes to öatest kernel IF you compile it yourself in etch. in sid (which you don't recommend for you) there should be a 2.6.25 too |
| 11:15.00 | wols_ | !tell __ryan__ about backports |
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| 11:15.04 | defrysk | basix, yes but if you have to ask I would choose not to do it |
| 11:15.14 | __ryan__ | Lagbolt can you send me the inf file you used |
| 11:15.23 | __ryan__ | for ndiswrapper |
| 11:15.25 | Lagbolt | __ryan__, sure |
| 11:15.52 | basix | wols_: why no KDE4? and why isn't there a 2.6.24 released for etch? |
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| 11:15.53 | __ryan__ | i'd rather use the native driver but at least a temp fix would be fine so i could use google while actually in debian :P |
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| 11:16.07 | wols_ | basix: cause etch is STABLE |
| 11:16.11 | wols_ | !tell basix about stable |
| 11:16.33 | __ryan__ | thanks wols_ |
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| 11:17.40 | basix | wols_: so which one do you suggest? Testing or Unstable? |
| 11:17.47 | wols_ | basix: stable |
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| 11:18.09 | wols_ | basix: what do you need the kernel version for? any special reason? |
| 11:18.27 | wols_ | and: kde4 is NOT for end users yet. it's for kde developers basically |
| 11:18.46 | family | arighty then, I need more help :). How do i dpkg -i package.deb and satisfy packages needed? |
| 11:18.58 | slxix | debian stable is ridiculously stable. |
| 11:19.00 | wols_ | family: why can't you use apt? |
| 11:19.03 | defrysk | basix, you sound inexperienced to me so better to stick to stable |
| 11:19.18 | family | wols can i do that? |
| 11:19.21 | stew | family: dpkg -i package.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 11:19.30 | wols_ | basix: if you have the need, you can use backports for some things, like the kernel. but please tell us what you need from a new kernel |
| 11:19.46 | family | i want to install fvwm2 but apt-get only has fvwm1 |
| 11:19.56 | wols_ | basix: maybe we can help you solve that problem |
| 11:19.59 | family | so i got the deb package oh thank you |
| 11:20.09 | family | @ stew |
| 11:20.16 | stew | family: where did you get the deb package? is it really compiled for your release? |
| 11:20.23 | family | yes |
| 11:20.31 | family | from fvwm.org |
| 11:20.45 | family | it was tested on debian so im hoping its good. |
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| 11:21.37 | basix | wols_: i run KVM, Compiz, etc... and some drivers ( like wifi ) need the latest kernel to run... |
| 11:21.37 | wols_ | family: you run sid? |
| 11:22.04 | family | wols no im running lenny |
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| 11:22.05 | wols_ | basix: so use backports or compile your own from kernel.org sources with kernel-package. debian very much supports this |
| 11:22.27 | stew | basix: you can get a newer kernel for stable: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 11:22.34 | wols_ | family: family fvwm.org says "unstable" |
| 11:22.39 | basix | wols_: i basically want the latest packages available but i dont want to run ubuntu |
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| 11:22.42 | family | im using a eeepc and the debian netinst script for it |
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| 11:22.43 | wols_ | stew: 2.6.25? |
| 11:22.48 | stew | wols_: no, 2.6.24 |
| 11:23.07 | wols_ | with kvm he even might need .25 |
| 11:23.23 | larsl | Does anyone know why kacpid would constantly be eating 8-10% of the CPU time, while the disk activity LED on my laptop never turns off? |
| 11:23.29 | family | no broken packages |
| 11:23.36 | family | okay lets see if it worked |
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| 11:24.13 | family | be right back |
| 11:24.14 | svenlito | question regarding nis |
| 11:24.14 | slxix | larsl: have you used powertop? |
| 11:24.30 | svenlito | while i run: /usr/lib/yp/ypinit -m |
| 11:24.37 | svenlito | i get No rule to make target `/etc/passwd.adjunct |
| 11:25.35 | larsl | slxix: No ACPI power usage estimate available. |
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| 11:26.14 | larsl | slxix: I _think_ this only happens when the machine has come back from suspend. |
| 11:27.02 | slxix | so it's not doing it now? |
| 11:27.13 | larsl | It is. |
| 11:27.16 | chrols | Does anyone here know how to manage a SATA drive? I have a hunch that mine is misconfigured since my old IDE drive runs faster. Does hdparm work with SATA drives? Browsing the net some seem to say yes, others no |
| 11:27.23 | slxix | does kacpid show in powertop? :) |
| 11:27.30 | wols_ | chrols: what controller chipset? |
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| 11:27.41 | wols_ | chrols: and yes hdparm works |
| 11:28.17 | larsl | slxix: powertop doesn't show any processes at all, just some CPU stats. |
| 11:28.20 | chrols | wols_: I assume by chipset you are refeering to my motherboard? Let me check |
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| 11:30.11 | chrols | wols_: NVIDIA nForce4 it seems |
| 11:30.16 | wols_ | no I refer to the hdd controller chipset |
| 11:30.27 | wols_ | is the sata driver for your nv4 loaded? |
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| 11:31.21 | larsl | Is there any way to see what processes are doing disk I/O? |
| 11:31.33 | tarzeau | larsl: top/vmstat/htop/xosview? |
| 11:31.37 | tarzeau | larsl: wmhdplop |
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| 11:31.52 | chrols | wols_: Not unless it is done automatically by Debian. |
| 11:31.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:31.58 | dpkg | well, qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 11:32.51 | mquin | larsl: iotop might be what you're after http://guichaz.free.fr/iotop/ |
| 11:33.36 | chrols | wols_: But I might be a bit confused, the chipset we were concerned about was not the chipset on the mb, but the hdd? |
| 11:33.52 | wols_ | no it's no the mb |
| 11:33.55 | slxix | larsl: people have reportedly fixed acpi cpu usage by modprobing 'fan' and 'thermal', or 'apt-get install acpi acpid'. |
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| 11:34.01 | slxix | what type of laptop is it? |
| 11:34.23 | larsl | slxix: Zepto Znote 6025WD, ICH8-based, Core2Duo. |
| 11:35.07 | larsl | Grr, "Could not run iotop as some of the requirements are not met: Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support: Not found" |
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| 11:35.50 | larsl | slxix: fan and thermal didn't help, I'll try installing those packages... |
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| 11:36.23 | larsl | Already had acpid, installed acpi. |
| 11:36.42 | larsl | Doesn't seem to do anything immediately - I'll try suspending and coming back... |
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| 11:37.41 | larsl | kacpid still running and using 10% CPU, disk activity LED still on. |
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| 11:38.05 | duton | what do i need to do to get mouse click working on aptitude menu in a terminal.it only selects the text now |
| 11:38.07 | larsl | And kacpid can't be killed. |
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| 11:39.36 | chrols | wols_: From What I can i tell reading dmesg I'm using sata_nv, looking in proc I can't seem to find anything that would reveal what I should be using |
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| 11:40.23 | ma3x | why some flash ads that are supposed to be displayed cast shadow on a part of the web site? |
| 11:40.30 | wols_ | dmesg and/or lsmod |
| 11:40.44 | wols_ | chii: also use hdparm. and what is the IDE and what is the SATA disk? (type, model) |
| 11:40.54 | ma3x | why is iceweasel so different than the windows firefox? |
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| 11:41.11 | cahoot | why oh why |
| 11:41.50 | ma3x | yes why |
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| 11:41.58 | ma3x | i mean sometimes it just pisses me off |
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| 11:42.01 | ma3x | i can't even read the websites |
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| 11:42.23 | slxix | is this related to the flash thing? |
| 11:42.23 | ma3x | go at this site |
| 11:42.24 | ma3x | http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_06_10_balmlb_bosmlb_1&mode=preview |
| 11:42.32 | ma3x | and see on the left upper corner |
| 11:42.37 | ma3x | it's covered with a big white shit |
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| 11:42.51 | ma3x | above "Full Story" I can't read nothing! |
| 11:43.01 | ma3x | how the hell am i supposed to read that bit? |
| 11:43.05 | petemc | double negative |
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| 11:43.12 | slxix | w3m |
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| 11:44.46 | rtxtx | help |
| 11:44.49 | ma3x | how can i see the site without that flash |
| 11:44.49 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:45.06 | rtxtx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.17 | J_P | people, I have one box with linux and I would like that after linux boot vlc start runnning one video em full screen. What is better choice for this ? install one little window-manager for this like as fvwm ? |
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| 11:47.09 | chrols | J_P: If it's fullscreen do you need a windowmanager? |
| 11:47.21 | c0vert | Lagbolt, worked mint man thanks |
| 11:47.41 | slxix | ma3x: http://swingleydev.com/baseball/mlb_linux.php |
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| 11:47.48 | yure | Hi! Is it possible to use ie. eth0 and eth1 as slaves for more bond interfaces (same 2 physical interfaces for multiple bonds)? Bonding works ok for me, but it seems these interfaces are conflicting. I could have sworn this was working before. |
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| 11:48.00 | J_P | chrols: I don't know. But xorg is needed right ? |
| 11:48.16 | Lagbolt | __ryan__, no prob |
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| 11:48.31 | chrols | J_P: Unless you wish to view in the console with ASCII art =P |
| 11:48.34 | slxix | ma3x: you are, apprently, not the only person who uses linux and likes mlb. |
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| 11:49.04 | chrols | J_P: Or well, there's other options I think but I think Xorg would be the way to go |
| 11:49.20 | ma3x | slxix: yeah but that's for the subscription users only i guess to view tv! i want to browse the website (matchups, previews...). but let me double check again if it's for tv only |
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| 11:50.15 | slxix | it says to use flashblock plugin. (or you could use greasemonkey..) |
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| 11:51.01 | chrols | J_P: I think if you just replace your .xinitrc or .xsession (whichever is appropiate for you) and just add the command to play the video you want fullscreen you should get what you want |
| 11:51.24 | chrols | J_P: I.e the video playing fullscreen, nothing else |
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| 11:52.02 | ma3x | slxix: thanks man! |
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| 11:53.00 | slxix | isn't that what the purple tentacle says when you give him .. what was it .. wax fruit? |
| 11:53.48 | J_P | chrols: ok, So. I install only xorg and try works with thats .xinitrc or .xsession without install any window manager right ? |
| 11:54.37 | chrols | J_P: So you're installing it from scratch? |
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| 11:55.22 | Dantix | hi all, how can I get automounted an USB hard disk each time I plug it? |
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| 11:55.30 | ma3x | slxix: but now I can't open http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_06_10_balmlb_bosmlb_1&mode=preview |
| 11:55.30 | pzn | where can I find a debian etch install with a newer kernel for recent disk controllers that etch does not recognize? |
| 11:55.45 | J_P | chrols: not. I install basic debian like as a simple server.. and not will be install player and xorg and test that.. |
| 11:56.03 | wols_ | pzn: /msg dpkg kmuto /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 11:56.19 | wols_ | !automount |
| 11:56.19 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 11:56.20 | pzn | wols_: ok, that is what I needed. thanks |
| 11:56.37 | ma3x | slxix: i gues i'll just install ie for linux |
| 11:56.41 | chrols | J_P: Alright. Yes, xorg (and appropiate dependencies) together with the video player would suffice |
| 11:56.47 | wols_ | J_P: basic xorg comes with a basic windowmanager |
| 11:56.57 | slxix | ma3x: i can't open any new connections right now. my gateway is horrible. |
| 11:57.43 | ma3x | slxix: increase your tcp/udp connections limit |
| 11:58.12 | slxix | what for? |
| 11:58.23 | J_P | chrols: and wols_ thanks, I will be test/try that ;-) |
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| 12:00.21 | stupidknight | Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 6.06. Now it's a new installation, and I'd like to install Subversion on it! Basically what I read is that I simply just have to go "apt-get install subversion". But it doesn't find it? So I do an update on the package list, and still nothing. I check /etc/sources.list, but it doesn't exists. Anyone who could help me with this matter? |
| 12:00.29 | slxix | the gateway is run by the hotel i'm staying at.. |
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| 12:01.29 | ma3x | slxix: the *hostel you mean :p |
| 12:01.41 | liable | stupidknight: ask in #ubuntu |
| 12:01.42 | chrols | It's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:01.44 | ma3x | you saving some money> :) |
| 12:01.47 | chrols | Also this is #debian |
| 12:01.47 | __ryan__ | alsamixer isn't giving me pcm options? just volume control for master, any ideas? |
| 12:01.49 | stupidknight | oh, sorry, wrong channel :) |
| 12:02.10 | __ryan__ | it seems it found the right card in alsaconf |
| 12:02.22 | stupidknight | got confused since I was browsing the package list on debians www. sorry guys! |
| 12:02.43 | slxix | why you callin' us sorry? :) |
| 12:02.44 | cahoot | __ryan__: my guess is the alsaversion doesn't fully support your card - some hda-intel device? |
| 12:02.51 | __ryan__ | good guess |
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| 12:03.28 | cahoot | __ryan__: what does cat /proc/asound/version return? |
| 12:03.55 | __ryan__ | 1.0.12rc1 |
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| 12:04.04 | __ryan__ | outdated i am guessing? |
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| 12:04.21 | wols_ | __ryan__: depends on kernel |
| 12:04.28 | wols_ | __ryan__: what chip is it? |
| 12:04.28 | Elemmire_ | aptstupidknight : apt-get install svn !!! |
| 12:04.36 | cahoot | __ryan__: I feel more certain it's a matter of alsaversion |
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| 12:04.54 | __ryan__ | 2.6.18-6 |
| 12:05.20 | __ryan__ | it's an hd-intel chip wols_ |
| 12:05.31 | cahoot | __ryan__: weren't you planning to upgrade anyway to get the wifi working? |
| 12:05.47 | __ryan__ | i have the wifi working with ndiswrapper right now |
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| 12:05.57 | jelly | __ryan__: snd-hda-intel has improved much since; try a newer kernel, or newer alsa drivers |
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| 12:06.09 | __ryan__ | i suppose i can upgrade the kernel now |
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| 12:06.27 | __ryan__ | i just hate messing with grub lol |
| 12:06.32 | __ryan__ | will it autoconfigure? |
| 12:06.38 | cahoot | __ryan__: yes |
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| 12:06.50 | jcm | hi, I have a server on etch complaining with perl locales unset. dpkg-reconfigure locales wasn't enough to set the var LANGUAGE. What package is responsnsible of setting this var ? |
| 12:06.52 | __ryan__ | brb sorry the sky is green looks like tornado weather |
| 12:07.02 | cahoot | __ryan__: unless you've configged otherwise |
| 12:07.07 | wols_ | !locales |
| 12:07.07 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 12:07.28 | wols_ | jcm: whats in your env? |
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| 12:08.54 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 12:09.10 | slxix | good evening |
| 12:09.28 | jelly | goodday |
| 12:09.39 | Nyle | beautiful day today |
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| 12:09.45 | Nyle | I woke up with a smile :) |
| 12:09.49 | nyk2005 | Is it allowed to use a symlink to a directory on a different partition (and HDD) for /tmp ? Or will some progs fail to find that directory? |
| 12:09.53 | dimir | Good afternoon. |
| 12:10.08 | Deezire | Why not mount /tmp to another place, nyk2005? |
| 12:10.21 | Nyle | maybe use bind? |
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| 12:10.35 | jelly | nyk2005: yeah, it should work |
| 12:10.41 | Deezire | I recon it's a bad idea, and it's really not hard to remount it. |
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| 12:10.53 | Nyle | mount bind is bad idea? |
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| 12:11.05 | Nyle | it should work, its just a link to /tmp |
| 12:11.11 | jelly | bind mount is a hack; but then, so is /tmp -> /home/tmp |
| 12:11.59 | __ryan__ | that's come creepy weather, we don't usually get that here |
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| 12:12.13 | nyk2005 | Deezire: because I am to lazy to create new partitions. I have a huge RAID as one partition and now I use symlinks to directories on it for /tmp and /var/www |
| 12:12.24 | jcm | wols_: related to lang, only LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 12:12.53 | jcm | on another etch box, I have LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8@euro, but it's not avialable on this one :/ |
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| 12:13.02 | nyk2005 | jelly: cool, thanks! now I can stop worrying about the main HDD getting filled up because of too much in /tmp |
| 12:13.05 | Deezire | You dont need to make an new partition, you simply edit fstab to another point.. |
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| 12:13.19 | __ryan__ | i'm sorry but what was the apitude command to update my kernel? |
| 12:13.33 | Deezire | apt-get install dist-upgrade |
| 12:13.34 | __ryan__ | aptitude* |
| 12:13.44 | jelly | nyk2005: consider using a separate partition for /tmp only, or, if you have lots of memory, use tmpfs for /tmp |
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| 12:13.47 | Nyle | __ryan__, nothing, just aptitude search linux-image |
| 12:13.58 | cahoot | __ryan__: aptitude search linux-image - choose |
| 12:14.00 | Nyle | __ryan__, then aptitude install whatever linux-image you want |
| 12:14.27 | nyk2005 | like "/dev/sdb1/tmp /tmp" ? this would be *better* than the symlink? |
| 12:14.28 | __ryan__ | okay thanks |
| 12:14.29 | Nyle | Deezire, thats not a valid command |
| 12:14.42 | __ryan__ | nyle did you used to be on dalnet by any chance? |
| 12:14.45 | Nyle | Deezire, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade actually is what you want |
| 12:14.50 | Nyle | __ryan__, yes I did |
| 12:14.53 | nyk2005 | jelly: don't have linke 20G of memory... :( |
| 12:14.58 | rikva | On Etch, booting an Xen enabled kernel, on a server with 8G RAM, the system only shows 5G RAM. Because this is >4GB I assume PAE works, no? Any idea why I'm missing 3GB of RAM? When booting the kernel, it says the machine has 8GB. I'm clueless. |
| 12:15.01 | __ryan__ | you look very familiar |
| 12:15.07 | Deezire | Err, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:15.15 | Nyle | but you've never seen me! |
| 12:15.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:15.18 | jelly | nyk2005: if you need 20GB of /tmp, you're doing something wrong |
| 12:15.19 | __ryan__ | haha |
| 12:15.26 | __ryan__ | what channel? just curious |
| 12:15.29 | Nyle | #ganja |
| 12:15.31 | Deezire | Nyle: Heh, i allways get that wrong :p |
| 12:15.31 | Nyle | #drugs |
| 12:15.36 | Nyle | hmmm.. #devil |
| 12:15.36 | __ryan__ | haha it is you |
| 12:15.38 | nyk2005 | jelly: and I had 16G on that /tmp after one week of holyday, maybe even much faster, but did not notice.. :) |
| 12:15.40 | __ryan__ | mustang right? |
| 12:15.45 | Nyle | oklahoma city |
| 12:15.48 | Nyle | but now i moved to new york |
| 12:15.49 | themill | !ot |
| 12:15.50 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:15.56 | __ryan__ | you drive a mustang right? |
| 12:16.01 | Nyle | themill, sorry, he is asking me questions |
| 12:16.06 | Nyle | my bad |
| 12:16.14 | nyk2005 | jelly: my progs dont clean up /tmp because it makes debugging easier |
| 12:16.18 | Nyle | __ryan__, i used to drive a diablo, then a mustang mach 3 |
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| 12:16.27 | __ryan__ | haha ya i remember you for sure |
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| 12:16.31 | __ryan__ | my nick was Tdot |
| 12:16.36 | Nyle | ahhh yes |
| 12:16.41 | themill | Nyle, __ryan__: social chat is good; it's part of being a free software community. Just take it to #debian-offtopic or to a msg. |
| 12:16.41 | Nyle | join #music for ot discussion |
| 12:16.42 | Nyle | please |
| 12:16.45 | jelly | nyk2005: so use a whole partition just for /tmp |
| 12:16.49 | __ryan__ | sorry themill |
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| 12:17.15 | fantasticmrfox | Hi, In my fstab I use... 1.2.3.4:/backups /mnt/Backups nfs defaults 0 0 to mount my NAS box... But I can't use chown or chmod inside the mounted directory! (operation not permitted)... and I want to use backup-manager, any ideas?! |
| 12:17.16 | themill | __ryan__: No worries. If you can keep Nyle rambling elsewhere for a while, perhaps he won't do it here :) |
| 12:17.23 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 12:17.26 | __ryan__ | haha |
| 12:17.29 | Nyle | runs after themill |
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| 12:18.30 | nyk2005 | jelly: but it's already too much data on the large partition to put it anywhere else to repartition it into smaller ones, I need one for /tmp and one for /var/www |
| 12:18.57 | nyk2005 | jelly: so I HAVE to use symlink... :) if it's not a problem |
| 12:19.04 | jelly | nyk2005: then you need to buy a disk |
| 12:19.30 | __ryan__ | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? which one *should* i use? |
| 12:19.30 | Nyle | RA3OR, WHY?! |
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| 12:19.48 | Nyle | 12:05 RA3OR [i=angel@80.97.89.33] requested CTCP VERSION from Nyle: |
| 12:19.49 | nyk2005 | jelly: really? the symlink stuff doesn't work? |
| 12:19.49 | Nyle | stop that. |
| 12:20.04 | jelly | nyk2005: the only thing of possible issues with a symlinked /tmp is that it might cause problems in init scripts before other partitions are mounted |
| 12:20.19 | Nyle | __ryan__, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 12:20.32 | nyk2005 | jelly: I have to go to the sever room soon anyway to put in RAM, so maybe yes, there could be space for another raid.. |
| 12:20.39 | ^lam64^ | hi |
| 12:20.41 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:21.03 | ^lam64^ | I am from India and u |
| 12:21.04 | __ryan__ | ty |
| 12:21.08 | nyk2005 | jelly: so I can't reboot anymore? |
| 12:21.25 | nyk2005 | jelly: better NOT try... :) |
| 12:21.30 | jelly | nyk2005: I didn't say that; I have no idea what might happen |
| 12:21.40 | Nyle | ^lam64^, usa, I speak hindi and run #debian-ur for Urdu |
| 12:21.54 | Nyle | if you need help in hindi or urdu come to #debian-in or #debian-ur |
| 12:21.55 | ^lam64^ | great |
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| 12:22.18 | nyk2005 | ok... |
| 12:22.31 | ^lam64^ | Nyle: thanks i am coming there |
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| 12:22.36 | Nyle | though I've not come across many paki/indian that can't speak english well |
| 12:22.39 | Nyle | ok |
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| 12:24.00 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 12:24.06 | man_in_ltop | having some problems with lenny b2 installer |
| 12:24.28 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, *wave* |
| 12:24.36 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, which problems? |
| 12:24.45 | Nyle | be specific /msg dpkg ask |
| 12:25.24 | man_in_ltop | getting a lot of "failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)" on ata devices |
| 12:25.46 | man_in_ltop | and it doesn't seem to be detecting any sata stuff |
| 12:26.06 | Nyle | where'd ya get the b2 installer |
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| 12:26.15 | Nyle | afaik v3 is out a while ago |
| 12:26.20 | Nyle | like october 07 i think |
| 12:26.38 | Nyle | innit? |
| 12:26.41 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 12:26.41 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 12:27.32 | family | this is going to sound dumb, I need to extract a bz2 file. I apt-get bzip2 and ran the command bunzip2 file.bz2 but instead of giving me a folder its something that doesnt work. Just some kind of file without the extention bz2. What am i doing wrong? |
| 12:27.34 | Nyle | I couulda sworn i saw lenny v3 installer somewhere |
| 12:27.36 | Nyle | the fuck... |
| 12:27.57 | man_in_ltop | Fadoski, depends if it's a .tar.bz2 or not |
| 12:27.59 | man_in_ltop | oops |
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| 12:28.06 | man_in_ltop | family, depends if it's a .tar.bz2 or not |
| 12:28.16 | family | might be |
| 12:28.29 | family | but it doesnt say file.tar.bz2 |
| 12:28.32 | family | just .bz2 |
| 12:28.43 | _NoxIn_ | family: you can use the command "file" to determinate what sort of file is it |
| 12:28.46 | man_in_ltop | you can run a program called "file" on it |
| 12:28.52 | man_in_ltop | heh, _NoxIn_ beat me to it |
| 12:29.01 | wols_ | family: you are doing nothing wrong |
| 12:29.01 | family | okay |
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| 12:29.16 | man_in_ltop | family, also note that bz2 don't have "folders" or directories in them. bz2 and gz only compress a single file |
| 12:29.33 | Nyle | inside it is a tar file |
| 12:29.39 | Nyle | hence blah.tar.bz2 |
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| 12:29.48 | man_in_ltop | does lenny beta 2 installer support raid? |
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| 12:29.52 | basix | Will the testing build of debian have KDE4? or do i need the unstable build? |
| 12:29.54 | Nyle | pack lots of files in tar, then compress it with bzip |
| 12:30.03 | Nyle | !kde4 |
| 12:30.03 | dpkg | from memory, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 12:30.06 | family | oh |
| 12:30.16 | man_in_ltop | and by raid, i mean motherboard-level raid, not sensible discrete controller raid |
| 12:30.21 | family | so then after i bunzip it i need to tar it too? |
| 12:30.24 | Nyle | no |
| 12:30.35 | _NoxIn_ | family: it depends on what sort of file is it |
| 12:30.40 | wols_ | family: have you ran file on it? |
| 12:30.43 | family | yes |
| 12:30.46 | Nyle | tar with -j for bzip2 |
| 12:30.48 | jelly | man_in_ltop: you'd be better with linux md raid instead of the motherboard one |
| 12:30.48 | wols_ | and what did it say? |
| 12:30.54 | man_in_ltop | family, what did "file" tell you? |
| 12:30.54 | basix | Nyle, what about sid? |
| 12:30.59 | xnuntius | what is the equivalent of setxkbmap in a non X console? |
| 12:31.02 | wols_ | basix: it's not in sid |
| 12:31.02 | Nyle | tar jxvf blah.tar.bz2 |
| 12:31.03 | man_in_ltop | jelly, how would i set that up? :) |
| 12:31.06 | family | fvwm-metisse-2.5.8.patch.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 12:31.13 | jelly | xnuntius: loadkeys |
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| 12:31.17 | man_in_ltop | it's a patch? |
| 12:31.23 | family | yea |
| 12:31.23 | __ryan__ | how come when i aptitude search linux-image the newest i get is 2.4.18 do i need to change the part in the source file where it says stable? |
| 12:31.27 | wols_ | family: unpack it! also patches are usually a single file |
| 12:31.30 | man_in_ltop | family, and what about file on the decompressed file? |
| 12:31.38 | _NoxIn_ | if it's a patch you have to use it with the commande "patch" against a source tree |
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| 12:31.41 | Nyle | __ryan__, sarge? |
| 12:31.41 | jelly | man_in_ltop: no, it's you garden variety linux softraid |
| 12:31.41 | family | k |
| 12:31.43 | Nyle | good lord |
| 12:31.46 | family | one second let me run it |
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| 12:32.05 | man_in_ltop | jelly, does it support raid-0? (the one that's not raid :D) |
| 12:32.06 | __ryan__ | i installed 4.0r3 whatever that is. etch maybe? |
| 12:32.07 | wols_ | __ryan__: 2.6.18 is the latest in etch. if you want a newer one you need a backport. switching to lenny is not advised |
| 12:32.12 | jelly | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 12:32.17 | family | fvwm-metisse-2.5.8.patch: diff output text |
| 12:32.18 | man_in_ltop | jelly, yayness |
| 12:32.31 | __ryan__ | ah okay |
| 12:32.32 | wols_ | family: so now you know what it is |
| 12:32.43 | man_in_ltop | family, so how exactly does it "not work"? |
| 12:32.49 | __ryan__ | so why was everyone telling me to update before? |
| 12:32.59 | family | fvwm said that it would give me a read me file and i dont see it? |
| 12:33.06 | basix | wols_: i need postgres 8.3, python2.5, zope3 ( 2.10 will also do ), wifi drivers for my intel 2200PRO wireless adapter...which is the best suited version? Stable, Unstable, Testing? |
| 12:33.09 | AbsintheSyringe | SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem' does not exist or is empty |
| 12:33.09 | AbsintheSyringe | , it's not even there, but I installed ssl and both set up a certificate, but it's not there ... debian etch |
| 12:33.12 | wols_ | __ryan__: I told you what to do an hour ago. if you don't listen, your choice |
| 12:33.20 | __ryan__ | i know i heard that |
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| 12:33.24 | jelly | __ryan__: you were told to upgrade the kernel, not the distro |
| 12:33.25 | wols_ | basix: for you: etch |
| 12:33.29 | man_in_ltop | family, well, you either misinterpreted or he's wrong |
| 12:33.31 | family | right now i dont know how to use this patch. And the readme is suppose to tell me how |
| 12:33.52 | Nyle | family, google o how to apply patches |
| 12:33.53 | jelly | __ryan__: for example, there is a 2.6.24 build in /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 12:33.57 | __ryan__ | and the only way to upgrade the kernel is through a backport? |
| 12:34.03 | __ryan__ | oh okay |
| 12:34.10 | Nyle | !etchnhalf |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | etchnhalf is, like, "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 12:34.22 | wols_ | __ryan__: you can also compile your own or use etchnhalf as I LONG ago told you |
| 12:34.37 | Nyle | long ago there was a debian user who didn't listen |
| 12:34.39 | Nyle | ... |
| 12:34.43 | man_in_ltop | compiles his own kernels anyways |
| 12:34.46 | Nyle | we'll tell stories about ya ;) |
| 12:34.53 | family | nyle but when i find out how to apply it what file do i apply it to? This is my problem. I dont know where to apply this thing i could just say hey ill apply it to my home folder and that wont help at all. |
| 12:35.03 | _NoxIn_ | family: a patch is to be used with the sources files of a program and then recompile it |
| 12:35.05 | Nyle | family, well, what it is it a patch for? |
| 12:35.13 | man_in_ltop | i've now disabled motherboard raid crap |
| 12:35.13 | wols_ | family: you apply it to source code. not just on file |
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| 12:35.24 | family | aww |
| 12:35.28 | _NoxIn_ | usually if you are a end user you use pre-packaged programs ans not compile them |
| 12:35.40 | family | well this sucks. shouldnt fvwm 2.5 already have the patch |
| 12:35.42 | man_in_ltop | and still getting "failed to IDENTIFY" messages |
| 12:35.54 | wols_ | family: get cvs then |
| 12:35.54 | Nyle | debian package should be patched already |
| 12:36.09 | family | oh and also the fvwm channel said i need a compositor? what the hell is that. |
| 12:36.09 | _NoxIn_ | s/ans/and/ |
| 12:36.15 | Nyle | http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/ <-- still gives 301 |
| 12:36.16 | Nyle | ffs |
| 12:36.22 | wols_ | family: don't you mean "compiler"? |
| 12:36.23 | Nyle | kicks ati |
| 12:36.28 | man_in_ltop | family, you need to use a program called "patch" to apply the patch, and you kinda need to know what flags to pass it based on what's in the patch file |
| 12:36.34 | family | no no compositor for transparency |
| 12:36.36 | ans_ | ... |
| 12:36.45 | _NoxIn_ | sorry ans_ |
| 12:36.46 | wols_ | they mean libcomposite most likely |
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| 12:37.11 | J_P | I come back :-) |
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| 12:37.35 | Nyle | welcome back |
| 12:37.39 | family | im thinking that fvwm 2.5.8 should have the patch applied already. Ill be back in a second to make sure. So im not giving you guys a run around. |
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| 12:37.53 | man_in_ltop | you know, you should probably be talking to the people who sent you the patch |
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| 12:38.42 | man_in_ltop | man, this is annoying |
| 12:38.46 | Nyle | that is a good usggestion |
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| 12:38.51 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, don't be annoyed |
| 12:38.53 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:39.05 | man_in_ltop | brand new amd64 beast of a computer and can't install an os on it |
| 12:39.15 | Nyle | which cpu? |
| 12:39.20 | Nyle | (just curious) |
| 12:39.22 | basix | wols_: theres no emacs22 in etch |
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| 12:39.55 | Nyle | has not much luck in a highly clocked amd64 cpu |
| 12:40.07 | Nyle | only works in sid, etch is unstable on amd64 for me |
| 12:40.10 | Nyle | massivley unstable |
| 12:40.20 | fireba11 | hu? |
| 12:40.25 | man_in_ltop | are there any flags i can pass through the lilo prompt that might alter the way harddrives are detected? |
| 12:40.37 | __ryan__ | brb gonna boot the new kernel, thanks wols_ Nyle and jelly |
| 12:41.00 | Nyle | __ryan__, hey come back, I want those pictures back from years ago |
| 12:41.03 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:41.07 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 12:41.07 | Nyle | awe |
| 12:41.08 | fireba11 | man_in_ltop: wayttd |
| 12:41.16 | Lagbolt | i hope someone reminded him to recompile his ndiswrapper lol |
| 12:41.47 | Nyle | !wayttd fireba11 |
| 12:41.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fireba11? |
| 12:41.48 | man_in_ltop | fireba11, who now? |
| 12:41.49 | Nyle | ;D |
| 12:41.54 | Nyle | use that instead |
| 12:42.04 | wols_ | !tell basix about backports |
| 12:42.48 | Nyle | http://www.futureislinux.com/ |
| 12:42.59 | Nyle | thats that indian guys webiste |
| 12:43.07 | Nyle | pretty cool initiative |
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| 12:43.36 | man_in_ltop | ah ok |
| 12:43.57 | man_in_ltop | lenny beta2 amd64 is not detecting my sata harddrives |
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| 12:44.17 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, which controller? |
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| 12:45.49 | family | okay screw the patch 2.5.26 already has the damn thing. Okay now something about a compositor for like terminal transparency? |
| 12:46.06 | basix | wols_: how do i get backports? |
| 12:46.12 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 12:46.12 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 12:47.23 | family | i asked what kind hes not to sure. But its a compositor to help with the only thing i can explain is, If you open a terminal the black part will be transparent. I need a compositor to do that? |
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| 12:48.02 | Nyle | family, you need xorg to load with the composite extension? |
| 12:48.11 | Nyle | thats probably controlled by your video driver |
| 12:48.36 | family | oh crap |
| 12:48.44 | Nyle | I'm not too sure, just guessing |
| 12:48.48 | family | i forgot i only installed xsession-xorg-core |
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| 12:49.01 | family | i need to install xorg too. |
| 12:49.19 | yang | Why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg exits after the question setting 3 button mouse emulation ? |
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| 12:49.34 | man_in_ltop | yang, why shouldn't it? |
| 12:49.41 | Nyle | yang, xorg.conf needs nothing else anymore now |
| 12:49.49 | yang | man_in_ltop: it needs to set the monitor values |
| 12:49.56 | Nyle | yang, xorg has finally started to get where X should've been years ago |
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| 12:50.06 | yang | so...how do i set monitor? |
| 12:50.07 | family | do i need to install xorg along with the xserver-xorg-core or is that sufficiant? |
| 12:50.10 | Nyle | !xrandr |
| 12:50.10 | dpkg | methinks xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
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| 12:50.16 | Nyle | !info grandr |
| 12:50.33 | family | dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:50.33 | dpkg | family: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:50.43 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 12:50.43 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 12:50.50 | family | yea there ya go |
| 12:51.34 | dpkg | grandr: (gtk interface to xrandr), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.1+git20080326-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 12:51.34 | yang | Nyle: which part of my message didn't you understand, I cannto set monitor |
| 12:51.34 | Nyle | neither can I. |
| 12:51.44 | Nyle | or anyone else for that matter on new xorg |
| 12:51.49 | yang | Nyle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg used to set monitor values, it exits before that now for me |
| 12:52.05 | Nyle | yang, you have to manually put that stuff in xorg.conf now but you don't need to |
| 12:52.05 | fireba11 | yang: it doesn't do that anymore obviously |
| 12:52.17 | family | nyle do you know if xserver-xorg-core is sufficiant? or should i install xorg also. |
| 12:52.24 | Nyle | xorg full |
| 12:52.32 | Nyle | to avoid future problems with missing stuff |
| 12:52.34 | family | thanks |
| 12:52.38 | Nyle | sure |
| 12:52.53 | family | aright ill be back in a bit need to set this eeepc |
| 12:52.56 | yang | put lines in manually, well this is crap then |
| 12:53.03 | Nyle | no |
| 12:53.04 | Nyle | it i |
| 12:53.07 | Nyle | er.. isn't |
| 12:53.17 | Nyle | you don't HAVE TO configure X anymore like this |
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| 12:53.32 | Nyle | why come you no comprende? |
| 12:53.37 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:53.41 | themill | yang: please submit patches. |
| 12:53.50 | themill | dpkg: tell yang about reportbug |
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| 12:54.27 | Nyle | themill, I wonder, is there a way to save your config once you've got it how you want using xrandr |
| 12:54.30 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:54.41 | Nyle | I can't figure that one out. |
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| 12:55.12 | themill | Nyle: it would be nice, wouldn't it. Quite a few of the graphical config tools will still offer to rewrite your xorg.conf for you, but I'm not sure I'd trust them with it. |
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| 12:55.25 | Nyle | which is why I have not yet wrote it |
| 12:55.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:55.40 | Nyle | or maybe I should just write an xrandr script |
| 12:55.51 | Nyle | upon X login run it |
| 12:55.52 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 12:55.55 | man_in_ltop | the installer is insisting on loading a kernel module "ahci". i think this could be the problem |
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| 12:56.09 | Nyle | sounds like it |
| 12:56.15 | Nyle | is ahci enaled in bios? |
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| 12:56.56 | lassiethebrave | Be there any package providing localized man pages? |
| 12:57.08 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, it's probably not disablable |
| 12:57.14 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 12:57.22 | Nyle | what a word |
| 12:57.47 | man_in_ltop | hmm ... "sata mode select" was on "ahci", i'll try putting it back on "sata" |
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| 12:57.55 | man_in_ltop | lousy ami bios |
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| 12:58.15 | amphi | the problem of undisablability? |
| 12:58.17 | man_in_ltop | if it really is *american* megatrends, then why is their english so bad? |
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| 12:58.25 | ptman | anyone else using autofs-ldap ? I can't seem to get wildcard-entries working |
| 12:58.41 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, americans are not only from usa |
| 12:58.50 | Nyle | canadians are americans, brazilians are americans. |
| 12:59.02 | man_in_ltop | it reads like chinglish though |
| 12:59.13 | Nyle | north america, central america, south america |
| 12:59.17 | Nyle | there are 3 of them |
| 12:59.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:59.24 | Nyle | many not english speaking |
| 12:59.31 | _NoxIn_ | chinamerica ? |
| 12:59.57 | man_in_ltop | even when bios sata mode is not set to "ahci", kernel seems to think it is |
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| 13:00.14 | Nyle | so don't load ahci |
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| 13:00.22 | Nyle | pass boot time kernel params to the installer |
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| 13:01.02 | man_in_ltop | i never know what params to give it :P |
| 13:01.11 | man_in_ltop | how do i tell it not to load ahci? |
| 13:01.20 | Nyle | !ig |
| 13:01.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 13:01.24 | Nyle | read chapter 5 |
| 13:01.33 | man_in_ltop | reading is boring :P |
| 13:01.34 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 13:01.39 | Nyle | have fun |
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| 13:02.20 | Nyle | you can also google for a list of valid boot options |
| 13:02.59 | OpenTokix | grub> mom! Give me windows again! pci=noacpi |
| 13:03.09 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 13:04.09 | Nyle | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-7.html |
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| 13:04.49 | Nyle | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
| 13:05.04 | lassiethebrave | Does anyone know if it is possible to get the man pages in swedish? |
| 13:05.08 | man_in_ltop | i've blacklisted ahci. it now doesn't take as long to boot, but it still doesn't detect the sata drives |
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| 13:05.23 | cahoot | lassiethebrave: yes and yes |
| 13:05.31 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, I think maybe you can just dpkg-reconfigure locales and generate your swedish locale and then switch to it? |
| 13:05.48 | Nyle | i don't speak swedish except curse words! |
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| 13:05.59 | Timo^ | Morning |
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| 13:06.09 | Nyle | yup 9am here |
| 13:06.14 | Nyle | howd ya guess |
| 13:06.15 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:06.53 | lassiethebrave | Nyle: Well I have a swedish local set and everything is nice and swedish except the man pages... |
| 13:07.06 | Nyle | maybe there is a manpage in swedish pacakge? |
| 13:07.16 | Timo^ | can anyone help me with telnetting my speedtouch router i want to forward port 80 to my webserver but i only got telnet access anyone that has experienced speedtouch routers and knows how to telnet them etc... ? |
| 13:07.36 | asg | lassiethebrave: apt-cache search manpages |
| 13:07.37 | Nyle | p manpages-de - German manpages |
| 13:07.42 | Nyle | I don't see a manpage for swedish |
| 13:07.43 | Timo^ | and can i join pm so we can talk further :=) |
| 13:07.47 | Nyle | whats the code for swedish |
| 13:07.48 | Nyle | iso |
| 13:07.51 | lassiethebrave | cahoot: ?? |
| 13:07.52 | Nyle | !se |
| 13:07.53 | dpkg | [se] Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:07.55 | Nyle | ah |
| 13:08.10 | Nyle | hmm |
| 13:08.14 | Nyle | there is NO manpages-se |
| 13:08.16 | themill | sv for the language |
| 13:08.19 | Nyle | oh |
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| 13:08.31 | Nyle | still shit outta luck |
| 13:08.42 | Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 13:08.54 | Nyle | Timo^, just ask and chat in here |
| 13:09.00 | Timo^ | ok |
| 13:09.01 | Nyle | don't private message people for help |
| 13:09.02 | Timo^ | right |
| 13:09.14 | Timo^ | no i aint doing that but i want to fix it in private |
| 13:09.15 | OpenTokix | Nyle: Im not sure I have followed your question. But do you want to generate swedish locales? |
| 13:09.16 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, try ##networking |
| 13:09.22 | Timo^ | its debian related channel so. |
| 13:09.24 | Nyle | OpenTokix, not I |
| 13:09.27 | OpenTokix | Nyle: ok =) |
| 13:09.29 | Nyle | OpenTokix, I was trying to help someone else |
| 13:09.29 | OpenTokix | who? |
| 13:09.30 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:09.33 | OpenTokix | Nyle: hehe |
| 13:09.39 | lassiethebrave | Nyle: thx |
| 13:09.40 | man_in_ltop | going to try forcing generic ide. seems like bios is now reporting the sata controller as an ide controller |
| 13:09.53 | OpenTokix | Nyle: Sorry for my ignorance, but I am messing around with fedora-crap |
| 13:10.01 | Nyle | its alright |
| 13:10.15 | H2S04 | OpenTokix: I feel bad for you fedora :( |
| 13:10.16 | H2S04 | :'( |
| 13:10.24 | OpenTokix | H2S04: It was CentOS before that... |
| 13:10.36 | OpenTokix | H2S04: It's Fedora 7 even.. and livna-repos and whatnot... |
| 13:10.41 | man_in_ltop | yay, that workd |
| 13:10.55 | man_in_ltop | kinda |
| 13:10.55 | Timo^ | Nyle : ok. well i want to forward some port in telnet already logged into the router its a speedtouch 780i i guess aint at the location atm can you give me the commands how i can forward ? |
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| 13:11.09 | H2S04 | OpenTokix: I hate Fedora, especially Fedora 9 |
| 13:11.10 | Nyle | i don't know how to use that router |
| 13:11.16 | H2S04 | OpenTokix: like worst release ever. |
| 13:11.18 | OpenTokix | H2S04: you and me both |
| 13:11.25 | OpenTokix | H2S04: good thing I have quit my job =) |
| 13:11.28 | Nyle | i know in linksys you can change the NVRAM settings variables for each and everything |
| 13:11.28 | man_in_ltop | it's now detected my nice big harddrives, but not my old ones |
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| 13:11.36 | Nyle | just by telnetting it |
| 13:11.37 | rikva | On Etch, booting an Xen enabled kernel, on a server with 8G RAM, the system only shows 5G RAM. Because this is >4GB I assume PAE works, no? Any idea why I'm missing 3GB of RAM? When booting the kernel, it says the machine has 8GB. I'm clueless. |
| 13:11.46 | Nyle | but this driver I dunno what variables it uses what firmware what options |
| 13:11.47 | Nyle | nothing |
| 13:11.50 | man_in_ltop | and it's detected the sata cdrom too, yay |
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| 13:11.59 | Nyle | you have to look at router documentation on how to configure it |
| 13:12.03 | Nyle | or check out portforward.com |
| 13:12.04 | SlayerXP | rikva: 32bit or 64bit? |
| 13:12.08 | Timo^ | so the best option should be calling speedtouch ? |
| 13:12.08 | OpenTokix | rikva: Do you boot a 64-bit kernel? |
| 13:12.13 | Nyle | Timo^, yes! |
| 13:12.17 | Nyle | absolutely |
| 13:12.22 | Timo^ | hmm. ok. |
| 13:12.24 | _NoxIn_ | rikva: do you use a bigmem kernel ? |
| 13:12.26 | rikva | SlayerXP, OpenTokix: 32 bit kernel, with PAE afaaik |
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| 13:12.36 | SlayerXP | rikva: yep, that'll be it |
| 13:12.40 | rikva | It's a Debian Xen kernel |
| 13:12.48 | OpenTokix | rikva: yeah, you need 64bit to go above 4-5G |
| 13:12.57 | man_in_ltop | OpenTokix, or PAE |
| 13:12.59 | OpenTokix | rikva: You have another mode that allows 16G, but it's buggy and slow |
| 13:13.02 | lassiethebrave | Nyle: I am afraid that ##networking was not the channel you intended to point me to? |
| 13:13.03 | rikva | I thought the threshold was 4G, not 5G? |
| 13:13.08 | OpenTokix | man_in_ltop: Dosen't that depend on the HW to |
| 13:13.10 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.16 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, portforward.com maybe |
| 13:13.22 | OpenTokix | I say "go 64" |
| 13:13.26 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 13:13.28 | man_in_ltop | OpenTokix, not really. all modern processors i know of support it |
| 13:13.35 | stew | the debian -bigmem kernels support up to 64GB of memory on 32 bit |
| 13:13.43 | rikva | OpenTokix: hmm, I heard it's still buggy with Xen |
| 13:13.55 | OpenTokix | rikva: maybe, I haven't run alot of xen-stuff |
| 13:14.15 | lassiethebrave | Nyle: ?for questions about swedish man pages??(!) |
| 13:14.15 | Nyle | what is open tokix? |
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| 13:14.32 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, no, I though tyou were trying to forward port 80 |
| 13:14.34 | Nyle | ... |
| 13:14.55 | sly007 | Hello, I'm at work and I need to configure my debian using dhcp. Right now, it has a fixed address. How do i enable DHCP? |
| 13:15.03 | man_in_ltop | i sure hope i can install a kernel that supports my harddrive :) |
| 13:15.08 | man_in_ltop | *sata controller |
| 13:15.16 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, sorry wrong guy, that ws Timo |
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| 13:15.26 | stew | sly007: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 13:15.32 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, however you are out of luckas i don't see a manpage package in your langue |
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| 13:15.40 | OpenTokix | Nyle: Best dist ever, it is however proprietary |
| 13:15.47 | Nyle | ah |
| 13:15.52 | man_in_ltop | ooh, i have an idea |
| 13:16.09 | lassiethebrave | Nyle: yeah... thanks anyway. http://www.swe-doc.linux.nu/ seemd right but the page is down... |
| 13:16.17 | lassiethebrave | Oh well... |
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| 13:16.28 | Nyle | sorry :| |
| 13:16.30 | OpenTokix | Nyle: =) |
| 13:16.33 | OpenTokix | Nyle: just my nick |
| 13:16.44 | sly007 | stew: how do I restart the network configuration script? |
| 13:16.51 | Nyle | lassiethebrave, yw |
| 13:17.04 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 13:17.20 | Nyle | golden grahams with choc. milk yummy |
| 13:17.22 | stew | sly007: something like "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" to restart a paticular interface, or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to restart all |
| 13:17.47 | man_in_ltop | ok, turning off "pnp os" in bios didn't seem to do anything |
| 13:18.01 | Nyle | stew, actually the latter bit on sid atm does not bring the iface up, after it brings it down |
| 13:18.06 | Nyle | stew, I tested on two machines |
| 13:18.15 | tuxpow3r | so, I setup an encrypted lvm with /boot on a usb stick and now I've misplaced the stick, is it possible to re-create? |
| 13:18.16 | Nyle | I hadn't found any bug report on it yet |
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| 13:18.30 | OpenTokix | tuxpow3r: haha, probably not |
| 13:18.34 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, so make one! |
| 13:18.34 | stew | Nyle: file one |
| 13:18.41 | tuxpow3r | :( |
| 13:18.42 | Nyle | yeh im just now waking up |
| 13:18.45 | Nyle | ! gimme time :) |
| 13:19.44 | man_in_ltop | ok, i'm going to install it using generic ide driver |
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| 13:19.57 | man_in_ltop | then see if i can get a kernel that supports my sata controller properly |
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| 13:20.14 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, are you running the installer in a priority mode or default? |
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| 13:20.22 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, debconf_priority=waht? |
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| 13:20.34 | Nyle | run low if you need more fine tuning control over installation process |
| 13:20.38 | RandomTask | Hello ... i just got a new pc from dell ... the core is a Intel® Coreâ¢2 Q6600 Quad-Core ... which debian distro do i want ... ia64 ... should i recompile the kernel to get full use of the cores? |
| 13:20.38 | Nyle | (just a tip_ |
| 13:20.38 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, just default |
| 13:20.49 | OpenTokix | RandomTask: AMD64 |
| 13:20.58 | OpenTokix | RandomTask: no need to recompile |
| 13:21.08 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, and i don't think fiddling with debconf priorities will help if it can't even detect the harddrives :) |
| 13:21.11 | OpenTokix | RandomTask: how much ram do you have? - if ou have less then 2G, you can just take the i386 |
| 13:21.13 | AbsintheSyringe | can anyone help me with this one, I'm trying to set up ssl and now apache don't wanna start http://paste.debian.net/6026/ |
| 13:21.22 | Nyle | RandomTask, amd64 but beware that you will not have a browser java plugin or flashplugin |
| 13:21.23 | RandomTask | 4 G |
| 13:21.50 | man_in_ltop | hmm, looks like i need expert, not regular install. install didn't seem to like my boot flags |
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| 13:21.50 | OpenTokix | RandomTask: ok, then run the one named AMD64 |
| 13:21.50 | Nyle | RandomTask, you can do flash with ndiswrapper but i dunno about java |
| 13:21.50 | Nyle | ndiswrapper( |
| 13:21.50 | Nyle | fuck |
| 13:21.54 | OpenTokix | RandomTask: and then install 32-bit firefox =) |
| 13:21.55 | man_in_ltop | can i turn on kernel messages with regular install or do i have to use expert? |
| 13:21.56 | Nyle | wht was that one with the nsomething wrapper |
| 13:22.00 | wols_ | you cannot use ndiswrapper for either flash or java |
| 13:22.04 | Nyle | not ndis |
| 13:22.06 | Nyle | but the other one |
| 13:22.09 | Nyle | brain fart |
| 13:22.10 | wols_ | nspluginwrappre |
| 13:22.14 | OpenTokix | or just run 32-bit firefox =) |
| 13:22.14 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 13:22.17 | Nyle | wols_, thank you |
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| 13:22.30 | rikva | What's the difference between the "regular" xen-linux-system and the xen-linux-system-*-vserver packages? What is vserver exactly? |
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| 13:22.51 | Nyle | virtual server |
| 13:22.55 | Nyle | !vserver |
| 13:22.55 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 13:23.08 | rikva | Nyle: thanks! |
| 13:23.10 | Nyle | sure |
| 13:23.12 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know where i can get the latest esitimates and prices for high speed connections ? |
| 13:23.29 | Nyle | batcoder-7, googly moogly |
| 13:23.31 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:23.49 | cahoot | batcoder-7: world-wide? |
| 13:23.59 | batcoder-7 | cahoot: usa |
| 13:24.12 | Nyle | batcoder-7, residential or business? |
| 13:24.16 | wols_ | batcoder-7: ask in #web or something. this is #debian |
| 13:24.16 | batcoder-7 | business |
| 13:24.26 | batcoder-7 | i knwo but i really couldnt find anything |
| 13:24.32 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 13:24.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:24.33 | Nyle | not our problem really |
| 13:24.43 | man_in_ltop | i'll just use expert |
| 13:25.08 | batcoder-7 | ok so sorry for the question |
| 13:25.09 | RandomTask | OpenTokix ... i know you think your entertaining everyone here ... but you actually just being a dolt ... smarten up |
| 13:25.11 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, yeh, debconf_priority (debconf_ is not needed)=low == expert install |
| 13:25.55 | __ryan__ | any of you guys use e17? what do you think |
| 13:26.02 | RandomTask | so i am assuming i need the ia64 disks |
| 13:26.07 | RandomTask | thats all i wanna know |
| 13:26.12 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, does that turn on kernel messages or just debconf stuff? |
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| 13:26.18 | Nyle | well, he made it back online |
| 13:26.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:26.40 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, read the install guide |
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| 13:27.06 | cahoot | RandomTask: ia is pointing to ithanium |
| 13:27.09 | man_in_ltop | ooh ok |
| 13:27.09 | Nyle | shit i've read it so much i have it practically memorized |
| 13:27.09 | stew | RandomTask: OpenTokix is not being a dolt, at least not in this channel. |
| 13:27.16 | Nyle | hehehe not really j/k but really read it if you have not |
| 13:27.20 | man_in_ltop | nvm, i'll just use expert anyway |
| 13:27.23 | Nyle | its got your answers there |
| 13:27.32 | Nyle | !ig |
| 13:27.32 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 13:27.43 | stew | RandomTask: ia64 is for itanium, if you are not sure if you have an itanium, you don't, use amd64 if you want a 64 bit install |
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| 13:27.59 | RandomTask | thanks |
| 13:28.15 | Nyle | !ia64 |
| 13:28.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 13:28.16 | RandomTask | i assumed ia64 was intel arch 64 bit |
| 13:28.21 | stew | RandomTask: it is |
| 13:28.23 | man_in_ltop | hmmm, network-console looks like fun |
| 13:28.26 | RandomTask | i assumed the quad core would be that |
| 13:28.32 | RandomTask | i guess i was wrong |
| 13:28.33 | Nyle | and i think it has a 32bit chip inside the 64bit |
| 13:28.38 | Nyle | for running 32bit stuff |
| 13:28.42 | Nyle | iirrc |
| 13:29.00 | man_in_ltop | RandomTask, intel core and core2 are both amd64-compatible (EM64T is intel's amd64) |
| 13:29.30 | Nyle | all later p entium 4 models sucn as celeron D, pentium D, pentium EE, are e64t compat |
| 13:29.33 | RandomTask | oh |
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| 13:29.40 | man_in_ltop | weren't some xeons ia64? |
| 13:29.41 | RandomTask | i see |
| 13:29.56 | RandomTask | so i possibly can try the ia64 |
| 13:30.05 | Nyle | no |
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| 13:30.21 | Nyle | RandomTask, if you want to see for your self, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:30.23 | stew | RandomTask: it wouldn't work, you don't have an itanium |
| 13:30.23 | man_in_ltop | ia64 was server-cpu only, iirc |
| 13:30.36 | RandomTask | its ok cool |
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| 13:30.40 | RandomTask | i'll look into it |
| 13:30.50 | RandomTask | the box has xp on it |
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| 13:31.03 | RandomTask | so i think i am am best reading up on the chip a bit first |
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| 13:31.17 | RandomTask | i just wanna wipe xp |
| 13:31.29 | man_in_ltop | how can i tell if my network card is working right in the installer? ifconfig isn't there |
| 13:31.31 | RandomTask | i have not used windows (other than work) in 7 years |
| 13:31.36 | man_in_ltop | (this is netinstall) |
| 13:31.37 | RandomTask | so i avoid it at home |
| 13:31.41 | rikva | So.. why do the Etch repositories have a xen-hypervisor with pae, but no xen kernel with pae? |
| 13:31.46 | RandomTask | thanks |
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| 13:31.55 | asg | man_in_ltop: use nc to hit a known open port somewhere and type stuff into it |
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| 13:32.29 | man_in_ltop | asg, it's not getting an ip via dhcp :| |
| 13:32.38 | man_in_ltop | and it should be |
| 13:32.49 | Ronald | Hi, debian etch system, exim4, using unix users. /etc/aliases also used. I'd liek to flat out not accept mail for some unix users (like www-data, which receives exclusively and lots of spam) ? how to? |
| 13:32.56 | asg | man_in_ltop: then that would tell you your card isn't working |
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| 13:33.31 | asg | man_in_ltop: use lsmod to see if the correct module is loaded and also see dmesg to see if it is recognized. |
| 13:33.36 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, is dhcp running? |
| 13:33.42 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:33.50 | Nyle | server I mean* |
| 13:33.58 | man_in_ltop | it should be |
| 13:34.07 | Nyle | man |
| 13:34.17 | Nyle | while you go to the step in the installer again |
| 13:34.20 | joltcan | Ronald: The easiest solution is to set www-data: :blackhole: in /etc/aliases |
| 13:34.24 | Nyle | try dhcp reconfigure again and watch tty4 |
| 13:34.39 | XTZGZoReX | If I run a program in WINE (with screen), can I safely detach from it? without it closing/crashing? |
| 13:34.39 | Nyle | it helps if you pass debug boot params |
| 13:35.02 | Ronald | joltcan: works adequate, ty |
| 13:35.32 | Nyle | XTZGZoReX, I don't think you can |
| 13:35.34 | joltcan | Ronald: I think exim uses getpw() to find out users, so I'm not sure if it is possible to do something else in an easy way. Never thought of it actually |
| 13:35.39 | man_in_ltop | it sends twice, but has no offers |
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| 13:35.54 | XTZGZoReX | ugh |
| 13:36.00 | cYmen | is have a an old exim config and would like to get a diff against a current debian default config |
| 13:36.04 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, so its working it seems, if its sending, otherwise if you had not gotten your nic to work, it would not even send. |
| 13:36.09 | cYmen | any ideas how to get there? |
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| 13:36.14 | Ronald | joltcan: fairly sure thats correct. since your suggestion works, i'm greatly helped ;) |
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| 13:36.26 | joltcan | Ronald: Goodie! |
| 13:37.01 | man_in_ltop | could be the cable |
| 13:37.06 | Nyle | possibly |
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| 13:37.41 | OpenTokix | What is a dolt? |
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| 13:37.47 | Nyle | !dict dolt |
| 13:37.49 | Nyle | idiot mostly |
| 13:37.51 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 13:37.51 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dolt' (1 of 4): a person who is not very bright; "The economy, stupid!" . |
| 13:38.02 | OpenTokix | For pointing him to the right iso... stupid of me |
| 13:38.05 | Nyle | the ecomony |
| 13:38.07 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:38.20 | man_in_ltop | maybe i stuffed up the mobo installation |
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| 13:39.00 | Nyle | the step above network configuration is nic detection |
| 13:39.02 | Nyle | iirc |
| 13:39.03 | BubbaT | Hey. I'm having problems ( lenny, amd64 ) with nsplugin trying to install flash. I keep getting the error: |
| 13:39.05 | BubbaT | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** preloader not found |
| 13:39.09 | stew | OpenTokix: just ignore him. he was confused |
| 13:39.26 | Nyle | I think your nic is functional, but you are not getting to the dhcp server still |
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| 13:39.45 | man_in_ltop | don't seem to be getting any network traffic on it |
| 13:39.52 | Nyle | hm |
| 13:40.02 | Nyle | which nic is it btw? |
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| 13:40.07 | Nyle | chipset wise |
| 13:40.12 | man_in_ltop | seems to be forcedeth |
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| 13:40.44 | man_in_ltop | i'm going to try yanking the mobo and fiddling with the little things on the io shield |
| 13:40.52 | Nyle | ! |
| 13:41.02 | wols_ | huh? |
| 13:41.33 | Nyle | wols_, wait, allow me |
| 13:41.34 | wols_ | man_in_ltop: lspci |
| 13:41.36 | wols_ | sure |
| 13:41.40 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, why? |
| 13:42.34 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, cos i think i might have stuffed it up on installation |
| 13:43.00 | Nyle | whatever you need to do. |
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| 13:43.30 | Danker | Hi |
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| 13:43.41 | Nyle | Danker, what's kickin'? |
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| 13:44.05 | Danker | Why debian isn't giving us packages compiled for i686? |
| 13:44.42 | phlax | hi - how do i extract the rules file (or the complete debian directory) from a .deb? |
| 13:44.52 | Nyle | but it is in the x86 repository |
| 13:44.58 | Nyle | i386 |
| 13:45.00 | stew | Danker: there is a libc6-i686 and there are kernels. beyond that, the benifits are minimal and not worth the huge amount of mirror space they would require |
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| 13:45.08 | flixil | phlax: i think you can use ar to extract a .deb |
| 13:45.16 | Nyle | Danker, you can use gentoo if you'd like... |
| 13:45.21 | Nyle | o_o |
| 13:45.23 | phlax | flixil: thanx |
| 13:45.24 | Danker | I am using it |
| 13:45.40 | Nyle | then you're needs are met. |
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| 13:45.43 | stew | phlax: the rules file isnt' in the .deb, it is in the source package (either the .tar.gz or the .diff.gz) |
| 13:45.46 | Nyle | your* |
| 13:45.46 | stew | phlax: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 13:46.14 | keith4 | is there a way to search/list crontabs of all accounts? |
| 13:46.25 | stew | keith4: they are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 13:46.31 | keith4 | thanks stew |
| 13:47.06 | flixil | I downloaded the src of a debian package, and i wanna compile it with #ifdef UNDER_DEVELOPMENT, i went into the src directory and ./configure --enable-FEATURE=UNDER_DEVELOPMENT but it doesn't work when make... How do I change such a define in the code without using explicitly gcc to compile? Thanks |
| 13:47.12 | Nyle | I need ergonomic keyboard/rodent |
| 13:47.38 | stew | flixil: edit debian/rules (which is probably calling ./configure): /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:47.40 | helo | is there a live cd with mdadm and reiserfs support? |
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| 13:48.18 | flixil | stew: i was calling configure directly :) |
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| 13:49.08 | stew | flixil: why? |
| 13:49.17 | Nyle | recommend me some good looking fonts for for X/kde (packages) |
| 13:49.21 | Nyle | please |
| 13:49.42 | Nyle | is currently using Terminus (xfonts-terminus) everywhere |
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| 13:50.50 | jatt | how can I check if my network card is in full duplex mode. |
| 13:50.52 | flixil | stew: because what i don't know is what to say the the configure script to enable a defined constant in c and ./configure --help doesn't say... I don't know if there is a standard way to do it... And i guess i need to provide the same arg to ./configure directly that those i would need to put in debian/rules |
| 13:51.10 | asg | jatt: ethtool, mii-tool |
| 13:51.15 | Nyle | jatt, I thin with mdi-tool |
| 13:51.17 | Nyle | mii |
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| 13:51.26 | asg | jatt: you can also generally tell by looking at the lights on the back also |
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| 13:51.28 | guysoft42 | hey all, i am running grub-update to update my grub, to hold the new kernel , it says it finds the kernel, but it doesn't add it to /etc/grub/menu.lst. any reason why? |
| 13:51.29 | ^ick | hi |
| 13:51.50 | Nyle | asg, among orange and green? which indicated full |
| 13:51.57 | justin | guysoft42: /etc/grub ? |
| 13:51.59 | Nyle | both are on |
| 13:52.12 | stew | flixil: you probably want to add -DUNDER_DEVELOPMENT to CFLAGS |
| 13:52.21 | guysoft42 | justin, sorry, i ment /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:52.36 | jatt | asg, Nyle: thanks ethtool did the trick |
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| 13:52.56 | flixil | guysoft42: there can be a max num of kernels defined in menu.ls see if there is howmany=all defined in menu.ls |
| 13:53.00 | Nyle | I am informed by dmesg that link up full duplex |
| 13:53.01 | flixil | sorry menu.lst |
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| 13:53.12 | asg | Nyle: orange |
| 13:53.13 | Nyle | blahblah and so forth |
| 13:53.25 | Nyle | asg, I see, neat, I didn't know that |
| 13:53.33 | flixil | stew: thanks :) a lot i'll try |
| 13:53.37 | RichiH | suggestions for a tool that will monitor how much traffic has been flowing from what IP to another IP and total traffic? |
| 13:53.45 | jetscreamer | waves@nyle |
| 13:53.47 | jatt | Nyle: my kernel wrote that info and was available in dmesg but I upgraded the kernel and dmesg wasn't showing the full duplex info anymore that's why I was asking :) |
| 13:53.47 | justin | RichiH: how much traffic? |
| 13:53.47 | asg | RichiH: ntop |
| 13:53.49 | guysoft42 | flixil, i did, um, let me post it |
| 13:53.57 | Nyle | waves at jetscreamer |
| 13:53.58 | RichiH | basically, i want to log traffic on a router over some time |
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| 13:54.01 | asg | RichiH: argus may also work |
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| 13:54.08 | guysoft42 | flixil, i think its some small 1 char problem |
| 13:54.11 | RichiH | justin: adsl/sdsl router |
| 13:54.14 | aculich | for gcc/g++ there appears to be no /etc/alternatives entries, so I'm wondering how I designate the default compiler if I have two version installed (in this case 4.1 and 4.2)... without having to change the symlinks by hand |
| 13:54.15 | RichiH | asg: will look |
| 13:54.37 | jatt | aculich: adjust the PATH |
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| 13:54.52 | _NoxIn_ | RichiH: you want to log all the traffic or just statis like how many packets and byte from wich IP to whch one ? |
| 13:54.53 | flixil | guysoft42: what do you mean? |
| 13:55.09 | RichiH | _NoxIn_: statistics |
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| 13:55.41 | Nyle | aculich, export CC=/path/to/the/gcc/you/want/to/use |
| 13:55.42 | Nyle | ? |
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| 13:55.56 | guysoft42 | flixil, i meen, i went over the code, and compared it to my mechine.. and it seems fine (i better note at this point, i am on debian, but the computer paciest is ubuntu) |
| 13:55.56 | aculich | I can create a new path with the symlinks I want and adjust the PATH accordingly, however I want to actually change the system default |
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| 13:56.04 | ^ick | will etch packages work on older distributions? |
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| 13:56.14 | wols_ | ^ick: no |
| 13:56.22 | aculich | also, when I run debuild with export CC it doesn't actually pass on the environment |
| 13:56.24 | Nyle | aculich, set the env var CC to point to the gcc version binary executable you want.. |
| 13:56.24 | jetscreamer | backports maybe |
| 13:56.25 | wols_ | ^ick: what debian do you run? |
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| 13:56.31 | ^ick | sarge |
| 13:56.38 | stew | ^ick: in general, not without at least being recompiled |
| 13:56.53 | guysoft42 | here is the menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m333983f4 |
| 13:56.57 | jatt | aculich: just put a symbolic link, e.g.: |
| 13:56.57 | stew | ^ick: is there a reaason you haven't upgraded to etch yet? sarge was end-of-lifed and is no longer supported |
| 13:56.58 | jatt | gcc -> gcc-4.0 |
| 13:56.58 | jatt | gccbug -> gccbug-4.0 |
| 13:56.58 | jatt | cpp -> cpp-4.0 |
| 13:57.03 | wols_ | ^ick: there are sarge backports. but since sarge is not supported anymore (no security updates), an upgrade to etch is strongly recommended |
| 13:57.23 | flixil | guysoft42: have you checked that howmany=all is defined in menu.lst? I don't know any other reason, sorry |
| 13:57.28 | guysoft42 | flixil, its missing their 2.6.24-18 kernel.. althaugh update grub does say "found" |
| 13:57.47 | wols_ | guysoft42: 2.6.24-18 doesn't sound like debian at all |
| 13:57.50 | guysoft42 | flixil, yes , i did, # howmany=all |
| 13:57.58 | stew | aculich: no, don't edit those symlinks. look at the --preserve-env --preserve-envvar options |
| 13:58.07 | guysoft42 | wols_, its not, its debian based.. sadly.. |
| 13:58.13 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 13:58.13 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:58.21 | stew | aculich: or --set-envvar |
| 13:58.23 | wols_ | guysoft42: ask in your distro's channel then |
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| 13:58.46 | aculich | aha, stew: that was what i was looking for! thanks! |
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| 13:59.07 | aculich | it solves the problem i have with debuild (i don't know why i missed that option when i scanned thru... but there are a lot of options!) |
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| 13:59.28 | guysoft42 | wols_, but they are not answering :( ... oh well, better try elsewhere ( wols_ but debian is MY distro :) ) |
| 13:59.37 | stew | aculich: yeah, it's hidden right near the top of the options :) |
| 13:59.42 | aculich | i'm still curious about how debian chooses the default for the gcc package when multiple versions are installed |
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| 13:59.57 | wols_ | aculich: /etc/alternatives/ |
| 14:00.08 | aculich | no, there are no /etc/alternatives for the gcc package! |
| 14:00.11 | stew | aculich: via the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 14:00.25 | wols_ | well cc is there |
| 14:00.52 | aculich | well, you can't just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink... it seems you have to change multiple symlinks to ensure that everything recognizes the right version |
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| 14:01.20 | aculich | maybe this is a bug with the gcc package which really should use /etc/alternatives? |
| 14:01.41 | markybob | aculich, you can specify it as you use it. CC=gcc-4.2 make |
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| 14:02.02 | stew | aculich: the fact that is is not maintained in alternatives is covered in the gcc README.Debian |
| 14:02.30 | stew | markybob: he ended up here asking about using those variables :) |
| 14:02.52 | __ryan__ | anyone using e.17? |
| 14:02.54 | aculich | stew: thanks! :) silly me for googling first instead of checking the readme! |
| 14:03.01 | wols_ | !e17 |
| 14:03.01 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 14:03.03 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 14:03.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:03.20 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 14:03.29 | Nyle | heh yer still a tool ;) |
| 14:03.32 | stew | aculich: not that it is wildly informative, though it at least makes it clear that not using alternatives is something they are doing very deliberately |
| 14:03.33 | Bushmills | __ryan__: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=e17 |
| 14:03.34 | Nyle | all these years |
| 14:04.02 | __ryan__ | well i used it on slack just wondering if there was a package for debian too :P thanks Bushmills |
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| 14:04.28 | aculich | thanks all :) |
| 14:04.32 | Nyle | well I'm glad to see Tdot again and that he uses linux |
| 14:04.42 | Bushmills | __ryan__: packages are, but not in debian main/contrib |
| 14:04.54 | Nyle | what is e17 anyway |
| 14:05.00 | __ryan__ | enlightenment |
| 14:05.01 | stew | Nyle: enligtenment.org |
| 14:05.01 | Bushmills | endarkenment |
| 14:05.02 | __ryan__ | 0.17 |
| 14:05.06 | Nyle | ohh |
| 14:05.07 | jatt | !e17 |
| 14:05.08 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 14:05.14 | jatt | he |
| 14:05.16 | __ryan__ | it's got some fancy features |
| 14:05.21 | stew | Nyle: err, enlightenment.org |
| 14:05.22 | jatt | !dr17 |
| 14:05.22 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
| 14:05.24 | Nyle | I used it heavily on RH 6.2 |
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| 14:05.26 | Nyle | stew, word |
| 14:05.41 | Nyle | not e17 but en. |
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| 14:05.55 | Nyle | it was beautiful... |
| 14:05.57 | Bushmills | Nyle, e17 is quite different from e16 |
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| 14:06.36 | Nyle | drastically? |
| 14:06.39 | Nyle | what did they do to it? |
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| 14:06.44 | __ryan__ | everything |
| 14:06.45 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 14:06.50 | Bushmills | the touch and feel ha changed |
| 14:06.53 | Bushmills | has |
| 14:06.56 | asg | Nyle: they've been rewriting it for the last 10 years |
| 14:07.06 | stew | around 2000 i was eagerly awaiting e17 and used to refresh their news page all the time. i'm glad i stopped bothering :) |
| 14:07.18 | Nyle | haha |
| 14:07.22 | Bushmills | but it still focusses more on flashiness than on usability |
| 14:07.32 | stew | its going to support TRANSPARANCY! |
| 14:07.34 | jelly | stew: in other news, Wine is going for 1.0 release |
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| 14:07.40 | __ryan__ | there's a damn 'snow' effect. |
| 14:07.43 | __ryan__ | and fame effect |
| 14:07.49 | __ryan__ | flame** |
| 14:07.49 | Nyle | fame or flame? |
| 14:07.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:07.57 | Nyle | make you famous effect |
| 14:08.17 | Bushmills | and the title bares glare when you activate a window. |
| 14:08.19 | Bushmills | bars |
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| 14:08.52 | Bushmills | all in all, not exactly a quiet screen |
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| 14:09.29 | __ryan__ | still uses quite little resources considering |
| 14:09.53 | Nyle | __ryan__, i can't quite remember you though i remember the tdot vaguely |
| 14:09.58 | Bushmills | uses too much resources for the remaining functionality after you have turned everything off :) |
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| 14:10.47 | __ryan__ | thought we can't talk about that here lol |
| 14:10.53 | Nyle | msg |
| 14:11.11 | twobitwork | what hash algorithm does gnu/linux use for hashing passwords? |
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| 14:11.29 | markybob | md5 generally |
| 14:11.42 | superlinux | guys ! where i may ask about linux games? |
| 14:11.43 | markybob | you can use blowfish with pam_unix2 |
| 14:11.45 | twobitwork | doesn't seem like it |
| 14:11.53 | superlinux | is this channel valid? |
| 14:11.54 | Dewi | twobitwork: it also salts |
| 14:11.56 | twobitwork | I md5'd my password and it doesn't match the /etc/shadow |
| 14:12.03 | Jemt | superlinux: Just ask here |
| 14:12.03 | twobitwork | Dewi: ohh... what does that mean? |
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| 14:12.06 | Dewi | twobitwork: I have a snippet, give me a second |
| 14:12.13 | superlinux | ok bro . cheers |
| 14:12.28 | jetscreamer | isn't there a linuxgames or linuxgamers.org or something |
| 14:12.35 | jetscreamer | !games |
| 14:12.35 | dpkg | somebody said games was Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag, the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, http://www.uniball-central.com, #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, nethack, freeciv, dopewars, http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php |
| 14:12.35 | superlinux | i am gonna be working for an internet cafe.. and i have the chance to make it all linuxy.so what do u recommed me of games? |
| 14:12.38 | Bushmills | linux game tome |
| 14:12.59 | markybob | twobitwork, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography) |
| 14:13.04 | jetscreamer | quake of course |
| 14:13.07 | jetscreamer | only quake |
| 14:13.11 | Dewi | twobitwork: I'm not sure how good an idea it is to mess with this stuff from perl. But nevertheless, the snippet is instructive: |
| 14:13.14 | Dewi | twobitwork: echo 'password' | perl -nle 'print crypt($_, "\$1\$".join "", (".", "/", 0..9, "A".."Z", "a".."z")[rand 64, rand 64, rand 64, rand 64, rand 64, rand 64, rand 64, rand 64]);' |
| 14:13.14 | Bushmills | but question was "where to ask questions" so i assumed an irc channel |
| 14:13.32 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 14:13.32 | dpkg | it has been said that debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 14:14.10 | Bushmills | http://www.happypenguin.org/ |
| 14:14.18 | Nyle | !hp |
| 14:14.18 | dpkg | hp is, like, at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
| 14:14.20 | Dewi | twobitwork: heh, actually, now I really look, it's a bit obfuscated for my liking. Point is you have the md5 and that random part with exclamation marks... |
| 14:14.23 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:14.33 | Nyle | dpkg hp is also http://www.happypenguin.org/ |
| 14:14.33 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 14:14.34 | superlinux | Nyle .. i need them make money! it's a net cafe! |
| 14:14.35 | Dewi | twobitwork: so that two identical passwords don't hash the same |
| 14:14.48 | Nyle | superlinux, wtf. |
| 14:15.23 | Nyle | oh |
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| 14:15.25 | jetscreamer | motley crue is your god |
| 14:15.28 | asg | Nyle: he could install nethack |
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| 14:15.41 | streuner | asg: hehe |
| 14:15.42 | Nyle | no I didn't know why he randomly said that tome I dunno him |
| 14:15.44 | superlinux | thats why asked for a net cafe |
| 14:15.48 | Nyle | but now i know what he is talking about |
| 14:15.53 | Nyle | my bad |
| 14:16.19 | Nyle | superlinux, people usually like games where its fast paced action |
| 14:16.23 | Nyle | with lots of guns blood and gore |
| 14:16.31 | jetscreamer | quake! |
| 14:16.31 | superlinux | aha ok |
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| 14:16.35 | Nyle | you should try first person shooters like Open Arena |
| 14:16.37 | asg | Nyle: plenty of that in nethack |
| 14:16.39 | Nyle | or Nexuiz |
| 14:16.44 | twobitwork | Dewi: I see |
| 14:16.47 | superlinux | well yea and the alien one.. |
| 14:16.48 | asg | Nyle: @ .. ^ |
| 14:16.51 | Nyle | Alien Arena somthing I think |
| 14:16.55 | jetscreamer | tremulous |
| 14:16.58 | superlinux | true |
| 14:16.58 | Nyle | Tremulous yes |
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| 14:17.09 | Nyle | and they are all network games |
| 14:17.10 | __ryan__ | alien arena sucks |
| 14:17.14 | superlinux | what abt couner strike? |
| 14:17.20 | Nyle | so you can have all your customers trying to play with each other |
| 14:17.20 | superlinux | what abt counter strike? |
| 14:17.28 | Nyle | its not free is it? |
| 14:17.29 | jetscreamer | don't you hate it when there's a hair inside your bud? |
| 14:17.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer, sober for 2 months dude |
| 14:17.42 | Nyle | I wouldn't know anymore ;) |
| 14:17.46 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 14:17.54 | superlinux | u know ppl.. they play _just_ the games they know |
| 14:17.56 | jetscreamer | you find your brain to be sharper now, no? |
| 14:18.02 | superlinux | it's hard for them to change |
| 14:18.08 | cahoot | does it matter if it's bud? |
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| 14:19.21 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I can remember what I play |
| 14:19.24 | superlinux | there was a game made by the DARPA.. i think it was named ARMY |
| 14:19.31 | superlinux | have u heard of it? |
| 14:19.36 | jetscreamer | aa america's army? |
| 14:19.40 | superlinux | it's a training tool |
| 14:19.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I can actually repeat riffs again..and construct songs with patterns instead of mindless improv yammering |
| 14:19.45 | enouf | and a game |
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| 14:19.53 | superlinux | enouf yes |
| 14:20.15 | __ryan__ | america's army is really well developed for a free game |
| 14:20.17 | Nyle | and its also nice to where I put my car keys when I search my whole house just to find that they were in pocket all aong |
| 14:20.25 | __ryan__ | government funding helps |
| 14:20.30 | __ryan__ | :P |
| 14:20.31 | superlinux | __ryan__ yea |
| 14:20.31 | jetscreamer | Nyle: yes there is a difference you can see. (been there) |
| 14:20.38 | jetscreamer | see/feel/whatever |
| 14:20.42 | Nyle | yes |
| 14:20.44 | superlinux | i am gonna install this one |
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| 14:20.50 | man_in_ltop | ok, next attempt |
| 14:20.59 | Nyle | man is back |
| 14:21.01 | jetscreamer | hey man in shack/ltop |
| 14:21.14 | superlinux | i hated wormux! |
| 14:21.23 | Nyle | awe |
| 14:21.31 | Nyle | loves the little worms |
| 14:21.32 | jetscreamer | s/awe/aww/ |
| 14:21.38 | superlinux | i love Worms Armagadon the original wiondows version |
| 14:21.38 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 14:21.39 | Nyle | aww |
| 14:22.00 | jetscreamer | your awe is for when you see me |
| 14:22.01 | superlinux | _IT_ IS_ FUNNY |
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| 14:22.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:22.26 | man_in_ltop | jetscreamer, i'm trying to install a new lenny amd64 system on my brand new beast |
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| 14:22.50 | jetscreamer | man_in_ltop: i've never done 64 :/ |
| 14:23.10 | superlinux | man_in_ltop i did the same on a 1GB RAM box |
| 14:23.16 | superlinux | it works COOL! |
| 14:23.23 | superlinux | so smoooth |
| 14:23.31 | jetscreamer | oh yeah ram.. thanks for reminding me |
| 14:23.37 | jetscreamer | pricewatch is calling |
| 14:23.38 | man_in_ltop | superlinux, this has 8GB ram |
| 14:23.43 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 14:24.25 | superlinux | man_in_ltop i was not talking abt speed thru RAM.. just saying |
| 14:24.52 | Nyle | fast ram is important |
| 14:25.00 | Nyle | but fucking ddr3 is good but bad too |
| 14:25.04 | superlinux | Nyle true |
| 14:25.06 | Nyle | ddr is good but bad |
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| 14:25.18 | Nyle | latency over bandwidth |
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| 14:25.23 | Deezire | DDR3 has high latency. |
| 14:25.25 | Nyle | depends on yoru taste |
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| 14:25.48 | Deezire | I personally use alot of PC2 6400 DDR2, cheap and fast. |
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| 14:25.57 | Nyle | definitely |
| 14:26.02 | superlinux | i have bought my self an old server HP/Compaq PROLIANT ML150 and made it my desktop |
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| 14:26.25 | man_in_ltop | kinda want a 64bit os for 8GB ram :) |
| 14:26.25 | man_in_ltop | hmm ... that's odd |
| 14:26.25 | man_in_ltop | dhcp server IS sending the offers |
| 14:26.25 | Nyle | and if you get IC's manufactured by well known binners then you can easily speed up the ram |
| 14:26.25 | man_in_ltop | client is not receiving |
| 14:26.32 | Nyle | either using ac ustom mulltiplier for fsb:dram ratio |
| 14:26.39 | Nyle | or w/e |
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| 14:26.49 | Nyle | but all vendors get ICs from the same people really |
| 14:27.00 | Nyle | its just how they binn thier ram and clock it |
| 14:27.04 | superlinux | it ended with a sound card and a GeForce additions for 500AUD |
| 14:27.07 | Nyle | corsair vs ocz etc. etc. |
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| 14:27.23 | dbmoodb_ | hi ah what is the light small irc client that is easy to use ... |
| 14:27.25 | dbmoodb_ | irissi ? |
| 14:27.28 | Nyle | irssi |
| 14:27.33 | Nyle | its the best really |
| 14:27.35 | Deezire | I've only used corsair in my servers :p |
| 14:27.38 | Deezire | irssi <3 |
| 14:27.43 | dbmoodb_ | how do i use it ... i found it hard before |
| 14:27.44 | Nyle | and I have a theme i made for it if you want, but most people think its ugly |
| 14:27.46 | Nyle | :( |
| 14:27.59 | Nyle | dbmoodb_, aptitude install irssi |
| 14:28.08 | Nyle | it used to be irssi-text |
| 14:28.08 | dbmoodb_ | no use not install and i prefer apt |
| 14:28.13 | Deezire | I prefer the standard theme, it's so clean and lightweight. |
| 14:28.25 | superlinux | it has 2 X 2.8 GHz Xeon 550 MHz Front Bus |
| 14:28.47 | superlinux | and six scsi bays with hardware RAID |
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| 14:29.10 | superlinux | and PCI-64bit busses |
| 14:29.18 | Deezire | Must be a old server. :p |
| 14:29.24 | superlinux | and hyper threading |
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| 14:29.41 | superlinux | so i see it as 4 CPUs |
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| 14:30.10 | superlinux | and it came also with 3x36GB scsi |
| 14:30.10 | dbmoodb_ | ah... http://irssi.org/help/ is not found ? |
| 14:30.27 | Deezire | superlinux: How much did you pay? |
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| 14:30.30 | superlinux | nero's page is not opening! |
| 14:30.51 | Deezire | I have a Quad-xeon, 8GB memory and software-raid SATA-disks |
| 14:30.52 | superlinux | i got it from ebay.. 430 reaching me |
| 14:30.55 | Deezire | For my home server. |
| 14:31.18 | dbmoodb_ | Deezire, i have a 400mhz 21watt 128mb nas server |
| 14:31.19 | superlinux | the sound card and the nvidia i bought them.. 100$ added |
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| 14:31.28 | J_P | I not install any window manager, only xorg, but in mey home don't have any .xinitrc or .xsession... why ? |
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| 14:31.37 | dbmoodb_ | size doesnt matter |
| 14:31.47 | J_P | thats is not created automaclly, can i create manuaaly ? |
| 14:31.48 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:31.53 | Nyle | yes |
| 14:31.54 | Nyle | size matters |
| 14:32.01 | Nyle | only people who have no size say size dont' matter ;) |
| 14:32.01 | dbmoodb_ | nope |
| 14:32.06 | Nyle | j/k |
| 14:32.06 | __ryan__ | hahahaha |
| 14:32.23 | dbmoodb_ | size doesn't matter if your server is trying to connect to the net on dial up |
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| 14:32.26 | superlinux | Deezire do think the price is reasonable? |
| 14:32.29 | Nyle | check this out http://picpaste.com/pics/currentdesktopandirssitheme.1213108331.jpg |
| 14:32.37 | Deezire | superlinux: I paid $1k for my setup, so no :p |
| 14:32.38 | Nyle | here is my irssi theme too |
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| 14:32.57 | Deezire | Nyle: Very clean! |
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| 14:33.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:33.47 | Deezire | You should upload it somewhere! :) |
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| 14:33.56 | dbmoodb_ | how do i quite irssi ? |
| 14:33.57 | superlinux | Deezire if will have to buy a true desktop it will cost the same? aint it? |
| 14:34.01 | Deezire | dbmoodb_: /quit |
| 14:34.01 | jetscreamer | quit |
| 14:34.01 | dbmoodb_ | i'm new too it |
| 14:34.09 | dbmoodb_ | thank you |
| 14:34.33 | Deezire | superlinux: I paid $1300 for my desktop-computer, with high,end graphics card. |
| 14:34.49 | Deezire | But that one only have raptor-disk and 8800GT and 2GB memory. |
| 14:35.03 | jetscreamer | only? |
| 14:35.12 | man_in_ltop | grumbples |
| 14:35.20 | dbmoodb_ | Deezire, 2gb only ? .... oh common |
| 14:35.21 | Deezire | And is usually offline, as i perfer my laptop (thinkpad t61) over everything. |
| 14:35.31 | dbmoodb_ | t61 how ? |
| 14:35.33 | Deezire | dbmoodb_: 4GB in my laptop ;) |
| 14:35.35 | man_in_ltop | dhcp server is receiving the discover, but client is not receiving the offer |
| 14:35.37 | dbmoodb_ | oh nice ... |
| 14:35.44 | jetscreamer | looks at his T20 :/ |
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| 14:36.04 | dbmoodb_ | can you get the t61 with linux ? |
| 14:36.12 | Deezire | dbmoodb_: ofcourse |
| 14:36.19 | dbmoodb_ | i can't find the options to get it with linux on the .au site |
| 14:36.45 | Deezire | I don't think it get's delivered with linux, but it's all Intel, so linux runs out of the box on it. |
| 14:36.48 | jetscreamer | it's an aftermarket option? |
| 14:36.55 | Nyle | Deezire, yes |
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| 14:37.05 | Deezire | Yeah, many local distrobutors install ubuntu. |
| 14:37.05 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/irssi.jpg <-- check this out |
| 14:37.07 | dbmoodb_ | Deezire, you are meant to be able get it with suse |
| 14:37.14 | Nyle | this it in full big window |
| 14:37.18 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to send packets to a specific mac address? |
| 14:37.34 | dbmoodb_ | man_in_ltop, arp then ping ? |
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| 14:38.50 | Nyle | Deezire, and i here have another one for you http://picpaste.com/desktop_1.jpg |
| 14:39.03 | Nyle | Deezire, lot goin on in that one |
| 14:39.10 | Nyle | try to figure out what is going on :) |
| 14:39.23 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/pics/desktop_1.1213108726.jpg |
| 14:39.42 | Nyle | thats when streuner had a tail |
| 14:40.06 | man_in_ltop | i can't work out how to use arp from the manpage |
| 14:40.27 | jetscreamer | arp -a adds, -s lists , iirc |
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| 14:41.18 | Nyle | Deezire, nice clean right nick aligned theme in irssi |
| 14:41.21 | Nyle | Deezire, 10:40 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP |
| 14:41.30 | Nyle | this also helps if you ignore it |
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| 14:41.42 | Nyle | makes your irssi look clean like mine and you only see people chat |
| 14:41.54 | Nyle | no bullshit mode crap floodingmy window making ihard to read what people say |
| 14:42.16 | man_in_ltop | it's 00:42 and i haven't even started with this install :( |
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| 14:44.12 | e-head_ | Hey |
| 14:44.16 | e-head_ | anyone here use sSMTP? |
| 14:44.19 | Nyle | hola |
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| 14:46.31 | man_in_ltop | does the lenny installer support creating software raid arrays? |
| 14:46.45 | stew | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 14:46.48 | man_in_ltop | how? |
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| 14:47.15 | stew | man_in_ltop: first create raid partitions, then the raid options appear to create arrays out of them |
| 14:47.25 | stew | (this is at least how it works in the etch installer) |
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| 14:48.00 | man_in_ltop | "Use as: physical volume for RAID" << this is what i want? |
| 14:48.13 | stew | yes |
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| 14:50.54 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... I wanted to install ryhthmbox, but it tells me that the following programs must also be installed: app-install-data gnome-app-install gnome-volume-manager gthumb gthumb-data libbluetooth2 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgphoto2-2 libgphoto2-port0 nautilus-cd-burner totem totem-common totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla totem-plugins |
| 14:51.03 | dbmoodb | and ? |
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| 14:51.11 | ArthurArchnix | That's not all of them, I've cut out the ones that I thought are reasonable. |
| 14:51.31 | dbmoodb | lenny or etch ? |
| 14:51.35 | ArthurArchnix | Why? Why install gnome-app-install? Why install gthumb? Why install totem? |
| 14:51.37 | ArthurArchnix | lenny |
| 14:51.44 | man_in_ltop | it's complaining that i have no root file system defined |
| 14:51.53 | man_in_ltop | oh, my bad |
| 14:51.55 | dbmoodb | well its lenny probably just testing things.. ah yeah i agree |
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| 14:52.29 | juliank | ArthurArchnix: gnome-app-install let's you install missing codecs automatically. |
| 14:52.37 | dbmoodb | how does one scroll up on irssi ? (i'm new to it) |
| 14:52.42 | man_in_ltop | this is fun |
| 14:52.54 | man_in_ltop | i've set up a boot partition outside of the raid |
| 14:52.59 | asg | dbmoodb: PGUP or SHIFT+PGUP |
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| 14:53.05 | dbmoodb | asg: doesn't work |
| 14:53.13 | dbmoodb | oh wait .. .it does |
| 14:53.31 | ArthurArchnix | juliank: Ok.. well that makes sense then. Any idea why gthumb is in there? |
| 14:53.32 | stew | dbmoodb: pgup/pgdown or meta-p/meta-n |
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| 14:54.03 | |Ryan52 | What could be causing this: "ssh: connect to host dao port 22: Connection refused". Nagios is complaining about connection refused for a few minutes on and off. I tried to ssh in and I got that. I was ssh-ed in once when it happened and I got "connection reset by peer". What could be happening? The strange thing is that this is a xen host and all of the domUs work fine. |
| 14:54.37 | ArthurArchnix | or... totem-mozilla? haha |
| 14:55.55 | man_in_ltop | can software raid devices only have one filesystem in them? |
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| 14:56.25 | ArthurArchnix | I like rhythmbox... I'm probably just gonna go ahead and install it. It's not like I can't afford the extra 78MB that's used to install it. I'm just shocked. |
| 14:56.34 | |Ryan52 | heh. the nagios server is actually running on dao. :D |
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| 14:57.41 | ArthurArchnix | You know what... I wonder if it's automatically selecting recommends... |
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| 14:58.39 | hoxu | !start an install-recommends war |
| 14:58.40 | dpkg | apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob* |
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| 14:59.43 | pozic | How can I print a pnm file via a shellscript in a4 format? |
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| 14:59.54 | sebas891 | hi folks, |
| 15:00.24 | ArthurArchnix | Yup... that's exactly what was happening. |
| 15:00.49 | ArthurArchnix | I turned off the option to consider recommends as dependencies, and it only installed two things. Total of 17MB. |
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| 15:01.20 | sebas891 | anyone had a problem in lenny with the keyboard mapping US with the space bar mapping? |
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| 15:01.34 | ArthurArchnix | I think I remember reading somewhere that a change from edgy to lenny was recommends is now on by default, thus making aptitude and apt operate more similarly still. |
| 15:01.40 | AwesomrGuy_ | what's with all the kernel updates recently? |
| 15:01.42 | sebas891 | it outputs a weird caracter... |
| 15:01.49 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 15:01.59 | hoxu | ArthurArchnix, edgy is not a debian version, it's ubuntu |
| 15:02.02 | |Ryan52 | AwesomrGuy_: when there is a security vulnerability, they fix it! |
| 15:02.20 | cYmen | i would like to get a diff of my config against a current debian default config, how can i do that? |
| 15:02.41 | AwesomrGuy_ | well lately there has been alot of em |
| 15:02.48 | ArthurArchnix | hoxu oops... that's embarssing. Sorry. Habit. I meant e.. the e one... I'm blanking out here. Stable. |
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| 15:02.58 | hoxu | ArthurArchnix, hint: topic |
| 15:02.59 | |Ryan52 | AwesomrGuy_: 2 that were 13 days apart...not 'alot'. |
| 15:03.09 | ArthurArchnix | etch... haha.. man that's bad. |
| 15:03.12 | jelly | AwesomrGuy_: hey, didn't you troll yesterday or the day before? |
| 15:04.16 | AwesomrGuy_ | no, I've never trolled in here |
| 15:04.16 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 15:04.16 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 15:04.16 | hoxu | &moo |
| 15:04.16 | aptitude | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 15:04.16 | AwesomrGuy_ | I think you're the troll here |
| 15:04.16 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 15:04.55 | sebas891 | no space bar issues for you? |
| 15:04.55 | hoxu | right, the bots are snoring again |
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| 15:05.35 | jelly | AwesomrGuy_: I was just asking. That guy was "AwesomeGuy" anyway |
| 15:05.36 | sebas891 | that is my space bar output in a terminal "Â Ã" with a keyboard mapping in US. |
| 15:05.39 | stew | AwesomrGuy_: can you ask a more specific question than "whats up with..." what are you actually trying to find out? |
| 15:05.59 | AwesomeGuy_ | the r was a typo :/ |
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| 15:06.07 | ampex | wow |
| 15:06.09 | ampex | just wow |
| 15:06.32 | hoxu | ampex, did you just find out about "apt-get clean" or what? ;) |
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| 15:07.29 | ArthurArchnix | My battery just show 0% remaining after about 30 minutes. But it continues to work for about another 30%. Other than completely draining it, then recharging it, there's not much that can be done about that is there? |
| 15:07.59 | AwesomeGuy_ | my laptop has a horrible battery too. |
| 15:08.07 | liable | ArthurArchnix: acpi problem with whatever modules is reading the values |
| 15:08.10 | AwesomeGuy_ | only lasts about 20 minutes |
| 15:08.20 | AwesomeGuy_ | I have to keep it constantly plugged in to use it |
| 15:08.26 | AwesomeGuy_ | it's from 1997 :/ |
| 15:09.02 | ArthurArchnix | liable: Thanks. I look into it. |
| 15:09.08 | man_in_ltop | ok, now creating a 1.2 TB filesystem :) |
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| 15:09.33 | AwesomeGuy_ | how big is the whole harddrive? |
| 15:09.34 | man_in_ltop | which i won't be able to install much in due to the network not working lol |
| 15:09.46 | man_in_ltop | AwesomeGuy_, raid-0 array with 2 640GB's |
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| 15:09.58 | ArthurArchnix | hal has its own acpi modules though, so I don't actually need acpi installed I thought. |
| 15:09.59 | AwesomeGuy_ | so 2.64 TB? |
| 15:10.03 | stew | <insert warnings about RAID-0 here> |
| 15:10.14 | nagnag | hehe stew |
| 15:10.23 | jelly | stew: he knows about raid0 and specifically wanted it |
| 15:10.37 | stew | jelly: then he knows what to insert in above :) |
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| 15:11.23 | ricardo | does debian have a thing such as PreUpgrade like there is in Fedora. I want o go from etch to lenny but Im worried that the installation wont work . |
| 15:11.26 | jelly | man_in_ltop: oh, btw, hope you're not formatting all of the drive into a single raid0 |
| 15:11.27 | d0uglas | Hi. Can't get into proftpd remotely, rejects l/p and when i try to restart it i get " - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'probulk.com' error: No address associated with hostname" |
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| 15:11.53 | jelly | man_in_ltop: you'll want a separate normal (or, say, raid1) /boot at least. |
| 15:12.04 | AwesomeGuy_ | d0uglas, try reinstalling it |
| 15:12.04 | man_in_ltop | jelly, i thought of that :) |
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| 15:12.35 | man_in_ltop | jelly, i have /boot as a normal partition, and swap as a raid-0 |
| 15:12.46 | d0uglas | ohhh i just remembered i port forwarded it to my ol' lady's laptop |
| 15:12.48 | Tekneek | Hey guys, I am looking for a tutorial for setting up virtual hosting on a debian system (4.0/etch). I have http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412, but wonder if that is the best one...? |
| 15:12.51 | d0uglas | there we go |
| 15:12.52 | chops | d0uglas: I get that warning too, it doesn't affect my installation |
| 15:13.01 | jelly | man_in_ltop: I'd advise making / and swaps raid1 as well, and then a big data partition as raid0 |
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| 15:13.31 | man_in_ltop | nah, i know the risks |
| 15:13.36 | d0uglas | i'm good, nevermind, thanks |
| 15:13.46 | d0uglas | You can't handle the risks! |
| 15:14.13 | jelly | man_in_ltop: swap on raid0 -> if any disk dies, your machine halts (whereas with raid1 at least the OS keeps working) |
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| 15:14.43 | man_in_ltop | jelly, if any disk dies, the rest of my data is likely to be useless |
| 15:14.44 | jelly | man_in_ltop: and you lose only a wee bit of disk space |
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| 15:14.56 | lewis | I need to identify and kill PIDs of tomcat server via a script. The command 'ps -ef | grep java' lists the PIDs, but how can I format the output to list solely the PIDs, and kill each one? |
| 15:14.58 | Tekneek | Suppose it depends on what you are going for. More diskspace, or redundancy... |
| 15:15.06 | AwesomeGuy | how do I find out my computers ip? this is my laptop |
| 15:15.08 | jelly | man_in_ltop: data is one thing, and a pingable machine is another |
| 15:15.12 | Tekneek | ifconfig |
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| 15:15.16 | man_in_ltop | meh |
| 15:15.30 | Tekneek | oops |
| 15:15.41 | man_in_ltop | if i cared about data integrity, i'd at least be using raid-1 |
| 15:15.42 | AwesomeGuy | cool thanks |
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| 15:16.05 | man_in_ltop | and if i REALLY cared, i'd buy myself a discrete raid-5 controller :) |
| 15:16.08 | lewis | any thoughts? |
| 15:16.16 | jelly | man_in_ltop: yeah. buy you might care about not having to reinstall, and having a remotely accessible machine even if a disk dies |
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| 15:16.30 | jelly | but* |
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| 15:17.04 | ArthurArchnix | Sorry, battery died. If someone said something about my comment that I thought HAL had its own acpi modules and that I didn't really need acpi installed, then I missed it. |
| 15:17.17 | stew | lewis: use pgrep or pidof |
| 15:17.30 | stew | lewis: or pkill |
| 15:17.31 | man_in_ltop | jelly, i know what i care about |
| 15:18.03 | AwesomeGuy_ | I'm in ftp to my laptop, and there's a file named dead.letter, but if I try to get it it says it's not there, and it's not in ls |
| 15:18.04 | Tekneek | Hah |
| 15:18.11 | nullie | how can I determind LV guid? |
| 15:18.54 | Tekneek | dead.letter? Isn't that normally generated when someone was writing a letter and the mail program was closed before they were finished? |
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| 15:19.18 | AwesomeGuy_ | I never write letters |
| 15:19.26 | jelly | AwesomeGuy_: exact and complete error messages are preferred to "it says" |
| 15:19.27 | Tekneek | Emails, rather, I meant to say. |
| 15:19.40 | jelly | !tell AwesomeGuy_ -about ask |
| 15:19.44 | ArthurArchnix | AwesomeGuy I've seen something like that before on my school network. Turned out it contained like three years worth of email. It was like a time-capsule. |
| 15:19.58 | ArthurArchnix | nano should open it from the command line |
| 15:20.11 | Tekneek | ArthurArchnix: From lots of different users as well, no doubt? |
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| 15:20.19 | ArthurArchnix | Tekneek: Oh no. All my stuff |
| 15:20.21 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: can you find the file on the filesystem instead of using ftp? |
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| 15:20.31 | Tekneek | Ah, well, that is better than what I had imagined. |
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| 15:20.43 | AwesomeGuy_ | if I type in get(not pressing enter), d, and tab, it says there is a dead.letter, as in dead.letter appears, but if I try to get it it tells me there's no such file |
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| 15:20.49 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah, that would be a major network effup. |
| 15:20.57 | AwesomeGuy_ | and it doesn't show up in ls somehow |
| 15:21.12 | AwesomeGuy_ | 450 dead.letter: No such file or directory |
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| 15:21.20 | ArthurArchnix | try ls -a |
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| 15:22.07 | AwesomeGuy_ | a bunch of hidden files, but no dead.letter |
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| 15:22.16 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: can you look in a regular shell instead of using ftp? |
| 15:23.06 | Tekneek | Ah well. Time to try and get this virtual hosting working... :( |
| 15:23.08 | ArthurArchnix | maybe dead.letter is just in a old cache somewhere. And not actually there. |
| 15:23.39 | AwesomeGuy_ | nope, still not there |
| 15:23.54 | AwesomeGuy_ | not in ssh |
| 15:24.05 | stew | ArthurArchnix: which cache might it be in? |
| 15:24.09 | Tekneek | I presume you are in the right directory? |
| 15:24.15 | AwesomeGuy_ | yes |
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| 15:24.35 | AwesomeGuy_ | does debian have a search thing you can use from ssh |
| 15:24.47 | Tekneek | I might try "locate dead.letter" in this situation. |
| 15:24.57 | man_in_ltop | this is bad |
| 15:25.03 | man_in_ltop | it can't even install grub |
| 15:25.03 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: find /some/directory -name "*dead.letter*" |
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| 15:25.13 | stew | man_in_ltop: why can't it? |
| 15:25.26 | AwesomeGuy_ | is some/directory a dir I make up or the dir I think it's in |
| 15:25.39 | man_in_ltop | "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 15:25.48 | stew | man_in_ltop: this is from the debian installer? |
| 15:25.52 | man_in_ltop | yes |
| 15:25.57 | man_in_ltop | lenny beta 2 amd64 |
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| 15:26.21 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: yes |
| 15:26.35 | AwesomeGuy_ | yes to what? :/ |
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| 15:26.44 | stew | < AwesomeGuy_> is some/directory a dir I make up or the dir I think it's in |
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| 15:26.58 | AwesomeGuy_ | you answered yes to a question with two answers. |
| 15:26.59 | ArthurArchnix | stew: the uh...messed up cache that shows files that aren't there? I was just trying to think outside the box. |
| 15:27.31 | Nyle | is there a beta 3 of the lenny installer/ |
| 15:27.32 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:27.49 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: the directory that might contain the file |
| 15:27.55 | AwesomeGuy_ | ok |
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| 15:28.07 | stew | AwesomeGuy_: if the user is logging in via ftp, this is likely his $HOME |
| 15:28.33 | AwesomeGuy_ | I'm in ssh now |
| 15:28.39 | AwesomeGuy_ | I do that and nothing comes up |
| 15:28.50 | AwesomeGuy_ | find /home/kurt -name "*dead.letter*" |
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| 15:29.00 | Nyle | I have a HP Thompson something multimedia k/b. |
| 15:29.19 | AwesomeGuy_ | Nyle, cool I have a Thompson Pearl mp3 player |
| 15:29.27 | Nyle | xev reports that some keys generate a code, while some don't, however using keytouch all keys work |
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| 15:29.32 | Nyle | how come? |
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| 15:30.20 | Nyle | I am trying to finda way to eliminate the need for keys daemons and get multimedia keys working in X |
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| 15:30.43 | Nyle | AwesomeGuy_, cool, is it good? space? how much? |
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| 15:30.51 | Nyle | how many dollars? |
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| 15:32.01 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:32.13 | Nyle | hola |
| 15:32.36 | AwesomeGuy_ | I got it for $30, 512MB, it's good, good bass response |
| 15:32.52 | DexterF | I made a grub entry with init=/my_automated_backup_script so I can just select that entry and debian execs the script without logging in. |
| 15:33.30 | DexterF | now - I'd like the script to run on tty2 since the kernel keeps blaring messages on tty1. can do? how? |
| 15:33.32 | man_in_ltop | hmmmmmm |
| 15:33.52 | DexterF | (even better was if one told me how to make debian put kernel messages on tty... 8 or 10 or so) |
| 15:34.05 | AwesomeGuy_ | if I plug in an mp3 player and it auto mounts in a window, where is it mounted to? |
| 15:34.11 | AwesomeGuy_ | I can't find it in /mnt or /media |
| 15:34.18 | Nyle | mount -l |
| 15:34.21 | DexterF | AwesomeGuy_: check output of "mount" |
| 15:34.32 | AwesomeGuy_ | wait, it's in /mount weird |
| 15:34.41 | AwesomeGuy_ | I mean media |
| 15:35.28 | Nyle | I just use kde so it ounts everything in media:/ |
| 15:35.34 | AwesomeGuy_ | ok somehow it's in /media if you look in a window, but not in a shell if I do a ls |
| 15:35.39 | man_in_ltop | i just thought |
| 15:35.48 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, wow. |
| 15:35.49 | man_in_ltop | i've reserved 20GB for a possible windows installation |
| 15:35.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:35.59 | Nyle | 10gb is all you need |
| 15:36.06 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, plus games |
| 15:36.16 | man_in_ltop | i can use the matching 20GB on the other drive for / |
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| 15:37.15 | AwesomeGuy_ | oh wait, I was in ssh |
| 15:37.16 | Nyle | only playsy oblivion and as such performacne is needed, xp on disk 1, oblivion on disk 2, oblivion textures on disk 3, meshes on 4, sound and music on 5 |
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| 15:37.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:37.25 | AwesomeGuy_ | to my laptop |
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| 15:37.45 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, you're even more insane than i am |
| 15:37.58 | Nyle | heh |
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| 15:38.13 | tosh| | hi, I'm running apache2 with the mod_php5 that came with it, but I still want to support php4. This will probably have to be done by setting it up as a cgi, how can this be done easily the debian way? |
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| 15:38.33 | man_in_ltop | tosh|, there should be a mod_php version 4 package |
| 15:39.13 | man_in_ltop | if not, php5 should be backwards-compatible |
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| 15:39.33 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, I use a ultra highquality texture pack 8x the detail 6gb of uncompressed textures |
| 15:39.39 | Nyle | i need fast acess time |
| 15:40.00 | man_in_ltop | throws quantum computing at Nyle |
| 15:40.09 | Nyle | I would like multiple controllers though (as right now everything is off of the onboard sata controller) |
| 15:40.15 | Nyle | I have a ich8 |
| 15:40.45 | Nyle | crap chipset |
| 15:40.47 | man_in_ltop | you should get multiple raid-5 controllers, and hook up each one of those disks to an independant raid array |
| 15:41.13 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, Icheaped out and got a friggin low E6300 |
| 15:41.13 | tosh| | man_in_ltop php5 is not backwards compatible I'm afraid, unless the wordpress guys screwed up. |
| 15:41.26 | Nyle | i need quantum haha yeh right |
| 15:41.31 | man_in_ltop | grumbles |
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| 15:41.54 | Nyle | man_in_ltop, you can have php4 and 5 on one system... |
| 15:41.57 | man_in_ltop | now it's refusing to install the base system |
| 15:42.11 | Nyle | its tricky... |
| 15:42.17 | man_in_ltop | "Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release" |
| 15:42.30 | Nyle | wht did you type? |
| 15:42.39 | ampex | Nyle: what's wrong with ich8? |
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| 15:42.48 | man_in_ltop | trying to select "Install the base system" from the expert menu |
| 15:42.52 | Nyle | no pata support for one |
| 15:42.57 | Nyle | no integrated gfx |
| 15:43.01 | Nyle | uhmm... no gb eth |
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| 15:43.13 | Nyle | what else.. i can't think of |
| 15:43.13 | ampex | Nyle: ich8 is the southbridge, no southbridge has integrated video |
| 15:43.16 | ampex | Nyle: and pata is dead |
| 15:43.19 | AwesomeGuy_ | anyone know about a good hex editor for debian? |
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| 15:43.30 | man_in_ltop | AwesomeGuy, i use ghex2 |
| 15:43.32 | Nyle | ampex, dead? |
| 15:43.36 | AwesomeGuy_ | I'll try that |
| 15:43.37 | Nyle | I beg to differ |
| 15:43.48 | Nyle | it maybe dead in production but heavliiy in use |
| 15:43.52 | XLV | Nyle, you should get a better mb then |
| 15:43.57 | Nyle | yes i should |
| 15:44.01 | Nyle | GA 965P S3 |
| 15:44.02 | XLV | one that has gbit eth and a ide controller |
| 15:44.06 | AwesomeGuy_ | E: Couldn't find package ghex2 |
| 15:44.12 | Nyle | XLV, mine does |
| 15:44.18 | Nyle | its just not supported by intel |
| 15:44.29 | ArthurArchnix | I just downloaded the beta 2 netinst disc for lenny. But I don't have an ethernet connection, only wireless. My card requires the intel firmware and ilwifi drivers. I'm looking on the net to see if it's possible to put this stuff on a disc and modprobe it via a busybox before proceeding to the network setup stuff. But if anyone knows any reasons why that won't work it would save me some time. If it won't work, will the net install give me a basic sy |
| 15:44.31 | Nyle | its by jmicron and marvell yukon |
| 15:44.57 | man_in_ltop | AwesomeGuy, it's called ghex in packages |
| 15:45.03 | AwesomeGuy_ | man_in_ltop, it's not in apt-get.. |
| 15:45.06 | AwesomeGuy_ | oh k |
| 15:45.15 | XLV | yeah, intel removed ide from ich8, but has hooks for gbit phy afaik. or a mb maker can add a pci-e gbit card |
| 15:45.23 | XLV | Nyle, and those dont work ok? |
| 15:45.24 | AwesomeGuy_ | does it use X or is it in the shell? I'd rather X |
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| 15:45.30 | man_in_ltop | AwesomeGuy, it's a gtk app |
| 15:45.44 | AwesomeGuy_ | I mean, does it use a terminal or use a window |
| 15:45.46 | Nyle | XLV, they do, now |
| 15:45.49 | AwesomeGuy_ | like a web browser has a window |
| 15:45.59 | Nyle | XLV, didn't in sarge/ etch/testing days |
| 15:46.00 | man_in_ltop | gtk apps have pretty gui's |
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| 15:46.15 | ArthurArchnix | Everytime I sign on to IRC lunatic_lester tries to sell me casket. I'm thinking of buying one just to get him off my back. |
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| 15:46.24 | Nyle | I had to wait a while for the sky2 driver |
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| 15:46.45 | Nyle | and kmuto didn't work, and I couldn't boot with a freaking cd becasue the JMB 363 driver wasn't in debian |
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| 15:46.56 | Nyle | but now its all good for a while |
| 15:46.58 | AwesomeGuy_ | I can't figure out what this settings.dat thing is for |
| 15:47.03 | AwesomeGuy_ | in my mp3 player |
| 15:47.08 | AwesomeGuy_ | it's not readable |
| 15:47.22 | man_in_ltop | it's for settings |
| 15:47.22 | AwesomeGuy_ | it's just a bunch of garbage characters |
| 15:47.24 | man_in_ltop | mp3 player settings |
| 15:47.36 | man_in_ltop | it's specific to the mp3 player |
| 15:47.41 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah..never mind. Found my answer on the netinst page. Not possible. |
| 15:47.42 | Nyle | s/boot the cd/ detect cd after booting* |
| 15:47.47 | AwesomeGuy_ | shouldn't settings be in normal text? |
| 15:47.52 | AwesomeGuy_ | guess not |
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| 15:48.40 | screamingbytes | why exactly does apt-get update, apt-get upgrade keep installing the same kernel version/headers etc...? |
| 15:48.45 | man_in_ltop | this new system seems to be quite fast at not working |
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| 15:48.56 | man_in_ltop | screamingbytes, possibly minor updates |
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| 15:49.40 | SerajewelKS | ok wtf |
| 15:49.45 | SerajewelKS | i was ssh'd to my debian box remotely |
| 15:49.52 | hramrach | Hello |
| 15:50.00 | SerajewelKS | the networking stack is still working, ping responds and connections get established ok |
| 15:50.01 | stew | ArthurArchnix: thanks for informing us, I'm working on getting him removed |
| 15:50.05 | hramrach | How do I make a script wait forever? |
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| 15:50.12 | SerajewelKS | but userland seems dead. sshd and apache never send anything back to my requests. |
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| 15:50.15 | SerajewelKS | what would cause this? |
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| 15:50.35 | SerajewelKS | i don't know why the kernel would be fine but userland would take a shit |
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| 15:50.51 | man_in_ltop | SerajewelKS, maybe someone killed your libc? |
| 15:50.56 | screamingbytes | uname -a shows 2.6.18-6-686, and update wants to install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686, and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:51.11 | SerajewelKS | man_in_ltop: you can't "kill" libc... plus i don't think that is likely |
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| 15:51.20 | hramrach | SerajewelKS: because something is broken I experienced similar thing once when my / died |
| 15:51.25 | screamingbytes | man_in_ltop: there can't be any differences without changes in those numbers can there? |
| 15:51.26 | man_in_ltop | you can kill it by rm'ing it :P |
| 15:51.45 | man_in_ltop | screamingbytes, i don't know. ask the package maintainer |
| 15:51.47 | SerajewelKS | man_in_ltop: that only unlinks it. running processes will not be affected since the library is mapped in memory. |
| 15:51.57 | SerajewelKS | screamingbytes: probably a debian package revision number is changed. |
| 15:52.04 | Bomfunk | hm, I have joined here and receiver spam-message from Lunatic_Lester. |
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| 15:52.08 | man_in_ltop | screamingbytes, those are just package *names*, not package *versions* |
| 15:52.08 | SerajewelKS | screamingbytes: most likely to fix a packaging issue |
| 15:52.19 | Bomfunk | received* |
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| 15:52.40 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: so you think it's disk trouble? |
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| 15:52.57 | hramrach | SerajewelKS: or driver trouble |
| 15:53.08 | SerajewelKS | blech |
| 15:53.14 | SerajewelKS | well i know the drive / is on is getting up in years |
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| 15:53.20 | SerajewelKS | let's hope it's not that |
| 15:53.35 | hramrach | SerajewelKS: I had irq routing problems ;-) |
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| 15:53.46 | hramrach | dying board |
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| 15:54.00 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: my mobo is brand new and it's been stable for the few weeks i have had it... |
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| 15:54.52 | hramrach | well, if it's new you might have activated a device that you did not use before and that Linux does not like |
| 15:54.57 | man_in_ltop | could it be gremlins? |
| 15:55.24 | keith4 | is dd any better than cat, for making an iso from a cd? |
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| 15:55.38 | hramrach | keith4: should be a bit faster |
| 15:55.44 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: possible, i did upgrade to 2.6.25 not too long ago |
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| 15:55.52 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: maybe it's time to point grub back at 2.6.24 |
| 15:55.56 | SerajewelKS | see if that helps |
| 15:56.02 | pflanze | Is there a tool which shows /etc/debian_version with both version numbers *and* names? |
| 15:56.06 | AwesomeGuy_ | my friend have me his old mp3 player after he got an ipod, and I looked in the files on it, and found some files with stuff about his computer in them, like dir's and usernames |
| 15:56.09 | keith4 | hramrach: ok. is there a sweet spot for blocksize argument? |
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| 15:56.11 | AwesomeGuy_ | weird |
| 15:56.21 | AwesomeGuy_ | like in a library file |
| 15:56.43 | hramrach | keith4: never tried, and you have to use the the block size of the device or smaller anyway |
| 15:56.58 | keith4 | well, i'm not really in a rush... so, whatever |
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| 15:57.31 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: this is the first time i have fired up azureus on the new system, maybe the disk I/O was too much |
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| 15:58.04 | hramrach | yes, I had bad ram that would only break on compiling stuff and running Azureus |
| 15:58.20 | V4Nelle | guys can i set the same command for all video files aftomatically on gnome? |
| 15:58.29 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: hmm if the RAM broke though i would not expect the kernel to keep trucking while *all* of userland sat in ruins |
| 15:58.47 | hramrach | no, it usually does not happen |
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| 15:59.00 | SerajewelKS | it just seems awfully fishy |
| 15:59.21 | DexterF | can't write to an ntfs-3g mount as user anymore, kernel 2.6.22, options are users,gid=users,umask=0002,silent,utf8,locale=de_DE.utf8 0 0 -- anything wrong there? |
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| 15:59.37 | hramrach | if IP is working and nothing else it is ususally something cutting you from the disk. Nobody checks it's actually accessible and everything blocks forever |
| 15:59.45 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: that sucks |
| 15:59.52 | SerajewelKS | hramrach: well it's lunch break, time to go home and check on it |
| 16:00.33 | hramrach | but it can be any random kernel bug |
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| 16:02.26 | hramrach | anybody knows something that blocks forever? |
| 16:02.35 | man_in_ltop | yay, grub installed that time |
| 16:02.44 | hramrach | while true ; do sleep 999h ; done sucks |
| 16:04.00 | man_in_ltop | if it can be ctrl-c'd, it's not a real block :) |
| 16:04.25 | hramrach | this actually cannot, you waou have to put it in () |
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| 16:04.48 | hramrach | most shells only background the single sleep in this case |
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| 16:05.29 | jelly | hramrach: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:05.40 | hramrach | a dummy windowmanager |
| 16:05.54 | jelly | hramrach: it needs to work forever? |
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| 16:06.04 | hramrach | yes, it's teh X session |
| 16:06.22 | hramrach | and the real WM crashes so .. |
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| 16:08.11 | JyZyXEL | any idea why debian isn't detecting my another NIC thats excactly the same as the other |
| 16:08.21 | JyZyXEL | the other is detected and its assigned to eth0 |
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| 16:08.54 | _NoxIn_ | JyZyXEL: you see it with a 'lspci' ? |
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| 16:09.04 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 16:09.24 | JyZyXEL | lemme try somehow get it |
| 16:09.31 | _NoxIn_ | any message in the 'dmesg' when the module load ? |
| 16:09.38 | man_in_ltop | does "ifconfig -a" show it? |
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| 16:10.01 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 16:10.21 | sinisterporpoise | hi. |
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| 16:11.01 | JyZyXEL | why isn't it automatically assigning it? |
| 16:11.05 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow manually do it? |
| 16:11.15 | AwesomeGuy_ | you know what's weird? I can only see the settings.dat file on my mp3 player if I mount it on linux, not on windows. |
| 16:11.18 | noisesmith | how do I find out my current name server, other than /etc/hosts? |
| 16:11.21 | JyZyXEL | maybe the card is broken? |
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| 16:11.30 | _NoxIn_ | noisesmith: 'hostname' |
| 16:11.30 | sinisterporpoise | okay, downloading Debian Sid and have Ubuntu on the laptop for now. Ubuntu takes up a little too much memory but I was wondering if anyone would know why a computer would not be able to connect to a router... dhclient broadcasts to the router but receives no packets back |
| 16:11.31 | plb1 | I just got spam on IRC... |
| 16:11.34 | man_in_ltop | ok, my new debian box boots, though i todesn't do anything useful |
| 16:11.39 | plb1 | ugh.. |
| 16:11.39 | man_in_ltop | plb1, happens sometimes |
| 16:11.54 | man_in_ltop | tomorrow, i try compiling a kernel for it |
| 16:12.09 | man_in_ltop | with any luck that will fix the network driver |
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| 16:13.05 | plb1 | anyway, I'm looking for a utility to allow me to remotely monitor a number of workstations running X Win. IE I want to be able to watch what the user is doing.. I was thinking of just using VNC, but I'd like to watch all the machines (4 right now) at once. |
| 16:13.11 | hramrach | has written a new shell util ;-) |
| 16:13.16 | sinisterporpoise | mayb no one knows, but would downloading Sid likely have the same problem? |
| 16:13.24 | dryrot | is there a handy guide somewhere to convert my already running physical debian machine into a virtual one? |
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| 16:13.59 | nullie | dryrot, just dump and restore? |
| 16:14.10 | dryrot | does that work? i have no idea |
| 16:14.20 | wols_ | dryrot: what kind of virtual? |
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| 16:14.48 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: we do not support ubuntu |
| 16:15.00 | JyZyXEL | in what file are NIC's assigned to their names? |
| 16:15.14 | JyZyXEL | so that NIC in PCI Slot 1 is eth0 |
| 16:15.17 | wols_ | don't you mean interfaces? |
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| 16:15.22 | dryrot | wols_: i am running vmware server here in the states. i have this terrible linux box in a far off country. i want to magically stick everything on that linux box into an instance of debian running in vmware |
| 16:15.30 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about z45 |
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| 16:15.39 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about z25 |
| 16:15.41 | sinisterporpoise | hmmmmm... |
| 16:15.55 | wols_ | dryrot: then just move it |
| 16:15.59 | sinisterporpoise | did anyone get a Belkkin f5d7010 wirless card working successfully in Debian Etch? |
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| 16:16.19 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: what chip? |
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| 16:16.59 | JyZyXEL | wols_ shouldn't the system at startup detect all the NIC's and add them to that file |
| 16:17.11 | sinisterporpoise | rtl8185 -- I've been boucning Ubuntu/Debian off this laptop. I'd like to run Debian because it takes up less memory. I got it to recognize the card and use the Windows driver, but I couldn't connect to the router. Would the unstable version of Debian work better? |
| 16:17.11 | wols_ | it does |
| 16:17.22 | JyZyXEL | wols_ so the conclusion would be that the NIC is broken |
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| 16:17.46 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: try it. you will need ndiswrapper on debian too. afaik there is no native driver for this chip |
| 16:17.51 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: no |
| 16:17.52 | sinisterporpoise | can't figure out why it works in Ubuntu but not Debian... |
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| 16:18.05 | JyZyXEL | wols_ what then |
| 16:18.08 | sinisterporpoise | there is, it's just easier to use ndiswrapper. Not the problem. Debian Etch won't connect to the network |
| 16:18.09 | wols_ | you just said it DOESN'T work in ubuntu |
| 16:18.20 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: what NIC chip? |
| 16:18.24 | sinisterporpoise | my bad. It DOES work in Ubuntu |
| 16:18.38 | JyZyXEL | wols_ i have two of the excact same cards and the anotherone is working |
| 16:18.44 | wols_ | then there is no reason why it wouldn't work in debian |
| 16:18.57 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: answer my question. not blabber |
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| 16:19.10 | sinisterporpoise | I'm not being clear. Ubuntu connects to the router no problem. Debian tries but can't. |
| 16:19.18 | AwesomeGuy_ | I can use irc fine, but iceweasel won't open any webpages O.o |
| 16:19.22 | benjamindees | sarge supported multiple console= options on the kernel boot line; is this no longer supported in etch or am I doing something wrong? |
| 16:19.25 | wols_ | !tell sinisterporpoise about errors |
| 16:19.28 | hoxu | dpkg, raid0 is also http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 16:19.28 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
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| 16:19.38 | balzac5000_ | Gang: I've got a box presently running kernel 2.6.18-6-686 and "aptitude upgrade" wants to continually re-install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 - anyone know why this is? I've done it at least three times... |
| 16:19.39 | JyZyXEL | wols_ VT6105 |
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| 16:19.57 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: ans what driver do you use? via_rhine? |
| 16:20.02 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 16:20.03 | kelt | is there a way as root to share a console session with another user? |
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| 16:20.08 | plb1 | wow.. it is just too busy in here today :-P |
| 16:20.14 | themill | sinisterporpoise: /msg dpkg rtl8181 |
| 16:20.14 | asg | kelt: can be done with screen(1) |
| 16:20.15 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: is the driver loaded on the non working box? |
| 16:20.31 | themill | erm /msg dpkg sinisterporpoise rtl8185 |
| 16:20.37 | themill | fuck |
| 16:20.39 | JyZyXEL | wols_ what command listed all the loaded mocules |
| 16:20.42 | JyZyXEL | modules* |
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| 16:20.45 | kelt | asg: yes, I use screen now... but I have to login as the user I want to screen -x with |
| 16:20.47 | themill | sinisterporpoise: you know what I mean by now |
| 16:20.47 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, lsmod |
| 16:20.53 | sinisterporpoise | I'm on my desktop right now. |
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| 16:21.07 | kelt | I can't do (as root) su username -c "screen -x" |
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| 16:21.10 | JyZyXEL | wols_ yea its loaded |
| 16:21.21 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: ifconfig -a |
| 16:21.23 | sinisterporpoise | yes, but cannot do that. dhclient causes it to sleep. I'm getting no error messages. Just no connection. |
| 16:21.35 | kelt | screen complains about ptty0 or something |
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| 16:21.48 | JyZyXEL | wols_ only eth0, lo, sit0 |
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| 16:21.49 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: there are ALWAYS messages. possibly in syslog but there are messages |
| 16:21.55 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: and eth0 is? |
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| 16:22.02 | sinisterporpoise | which can't be accessed right now. |
| 16:22.11 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: why not? |
| 16:22.17 | benjamindees | balzac5000_, there have been quite a few security updates lately |
| 16:22.31 | JyZyXEL | wols_ another of the cards |
| 16:22.36 | ArthurArchnix | A year ago or so there was a lot of excitement about that new gnome panel from novell... did that go anywhere... other than novel and suse I mean. |
| 16:22.38 | noisesmith | what command will show me my current dhcp acquired nameserver(s)? |
| 16:22.39 | balzac5000_ | benjamindees: Right - the version numbers wouldn't change? |
| 16:22.41 | JyZyXEL | another one doesn't appear to be there |
| 16:22.41 | sinisterporpoise | because I've been toying with this system for days. Right now it's running Ubuntu Hardy Heron. I want Debian on it though because it chokes on Ubuntu |
| 16:22.52 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you don't answer questions. you get someone else to help you. HAND |
| 16:22.54 | ArthurArchnix | I see the new gnome has not chosen to switch over to it. |
| 16:22.58 | sinisterporpoise | I can get the messages but I can connect with it just fine. |
| 16:23.00 | benjamindees | balzac5000_, there is a version number at the end that changes but apt just doesn't show it. |
| 16:23.05 | asg | kelt: what about screen -r <userid>/pid.tty.host ... no need to su then |
| 16:23.08 | JyZyXEL | wols_ what do you mean by is? |
| 16:23.25 | balzac5000_ | benjamindees: Doh! |
| 16:23.33 | JyZyXEL | the lights are on both cards |
| 16:23.34 | sinisterporpoise | I'm not being helpful, sorry. Maybe I should just put up with Ubuntu for now |
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| 16:23.43 | JyZyXEL | maybe i just open the case and switch the slots |
| 16:23.48 | kelt | thanks asg |
| 16:23.52 | JyZyXEL | and add few more NIC's |
| 16:23.58 | ArthurArchnix | sinisterporpoise: Maybe. But has anyone suggested Lenny to you yet> |
| 16:23.59 | ArthurArchnix | ? |
| 16:24.10 | plb1 | Does anyone know of a package to monitor X11 sessions remotely (other than simple VNC), i.e. I'm setting up a user study lab and the researcher needs to be able to watch/record subjects from a different computer |
| 16:24.13 | sinisterporpoise | I believe I'm downloading Sid as we speak |
| 16:24.14 | kelt | asg: what about machines that don't have screen... is there a way to share the basic terminals? |
| 16:24.32 | sinisterporpoise | Kubuntu and Slackware have also been suggested |
| 16:24.50 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: your belief is wrong.you cannot download sid |
| 16:24.56 | asg | kelt: no, not easily. That's why screen was created. |
| 16:25.06 | balzac5000_ | benjamindees: Okay, so I'm presently running kernel 2.6.18-6-686 and you're saying there's a possibility that "linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" is a different version? |
| 16:25.11 | sinisterporpoise | it's the debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 16:25.20 | benjamindees | kelt, share as in copy the output or as in interactive shared sessions with multiple inputs and outputs? |
| 16:25.23 | kelt | asg: any idea what it is called? |
| 16:25.24 | sinisterporpoise | I have the packages for ndiswrapper on my flash driver |
| 16:25.25 | ArthurArchnix | sinisterporpoise: If you're leaving Ubuntu because of stability problems then sid is not a good idea. IMHO. |
| 16:25.38 | kelt | asg: I'd like to read up on it... but I'm not sure what to search for in google |
| 16:25.39 | benjamindees | balzac5000_, apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 16:25.40 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: you don't need them. have you followed themill's suggestion? |
| 16:25.42 | asg | kelt: why can't you use screen? |
| 16:25.51 | sinisterporpoise | the problem is the services it loads at started up. |
| 16:25.58 | asg | kelt: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 16:26.00 | kelt | asg: some machines we have at work don't and won't have screen... |
| 16:26.11 | kelt | (we aren't allowed to install it ... lol) |
| 16:26.13 | sinisterporpoise | which is downloading lenny? |
| 16:26.14 | balzac5000_ | benjamindees: I am *so* filing that command away |
| 16:26.19 | wols_ | what services |
| 16:26.23 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: you already are |
| 16:26.29 | balzac5000_ | benjamindees: Many thanks! |
| 16:26.31 | kelt | benjamindees: yes... |
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| 16:26.40 | flixil | !gas |
| 16:26.40 | dpkg | from memory, gas is what ruins the world |
| 16:26.43 | benjamindees | kelt, that was not a yes or no question... |
| 16:26.47 | sinisterporpoise | yes. buying a different networking card might also work. |
| 16:26.58 | asg | kelt: then a user run 'script' and then you can tail /home/user/typescript | col -b |
| 16:27.19 | kelt | benjamindees: sorry, probably interactive shared session... |
| 16:27.47 | asg | kelt: that won't work for an interactive shared session. Why can't you install screen? |
| 16:27.57 | wols_ | if you ahve read it, why do you care about ndiswrapper? |
| 16:28.00 | benjamindees | kelt, I'm sure there is zero support for that. unless screen possibly does that. |
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| 16:29.47 | kelt | asg: ah... policy. I was wondering if there was a to hijack a user's console so they could watch what I'm doing... I know screen is great for that... but anyway... thanks. |
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| 16:29.54 | sinisterporpoise | I'll find out if it works after it's downloaded. It seems like the card should work with Debian, and a testing version might have a native driver that uses the same card |
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| 16:30.10 | asg | kelt: I expect the policy also doesn't allow you to do what you want either. |
| 16:30.29 | kelt | asg: lol.. |
| 16:30.36 | asg | kelt: call your friend, have them pull up a chair, and then you can share a single session easily. |
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| 16:30.58 | dondelelcaro | kelt: use screen -x or similar. |
| 16:31.12 | asg | dondelelcaro: he can't install screen apparently due to policy |
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| 16:31.30 | dondelelcaro | why? |
| 16:31.52 | dondelelcaro | what sort of insane policy doesn't allow screen on servers? If your system administrators don't use screen themselves, something is seriously wrong with them |
| 16:31.54 | wols_ | kelt: install scren in your user's home/bin directory then and not system wide |
| 16:32.09 | wols_ | damn, needs suid root :( |
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| 16:32.30 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it can run as non-root, actually. |
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| 16:32.32 | asg | wols_: pulling up a chair next to a person doesn't though |
| 16:32.38 | drwahl | is there any way to view jpg or png as ascii from commandline? |
| 16:32.39 | WormFood | dondelelcaro, awww man, come on....screen is a terrible program |
| 16:33.02 | asg | ? |
| 16:33.03 | WormFood | I don't know how anyone can manage a server remotely without screen....that shit is a real lifesaver for me |
| 16:33.19 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: using libaa or libcaca and anything that binds those. |
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| 16:33.21 | kelt | I'm running irssi inside of screen right now... :) |
| 16:33.26 | runa | hey :) I would like to have a tool, similar to grep --color=auto but instead of grepping, just doing the highlighting. any hints? |
| 16:33.29 | drwahl | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 16:33.40 | simonrvn | screen r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
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| 16:35.42 | asg | simonrvn: stays crunchy in milk |
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| 16:35.59 | dondelelcaro | runa: you can trivially do that using perl, or using less, or whatever. |
| 16:36.03 | simonrvn | and turns milk into chocolate milk too |
| 16:36.17 | asg | that's what cookies are for |
| 16:36.19 | benjamindees | since fstab is mounted prior to networking, what's the usual way to mount CIFS shares on boot? |
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| 16:36.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:36.43 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it's actually not |
| 16:37.20 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, sort of; generally you do it the same way that we handle NFS filessytems. |
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| 16:37.47 | benjamindees | I was going to say, I see S35mountall, S40networking, and S45mountnfs... |
| 16:38.10 | dondelelcaro | right; you don't mount all filesystems at the S35mountall stage |
| 16:38.21 | plb1 | kelt: btw, conspy might be what you want |
| 16:38.49 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: and actually, S45mountfs handles cifs filesystems as well. |
| 16:39.03 | dondelelcaro | (and doesn't try to mount them before networking comes up) |
| 16:39.05 | JyZyXEL | wols_ some of the leads in the NIC were not touching the PCI connector |
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| 16:39.18 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, so it should "just work" ? |
| 16:39.21 | JyZyXEL | physically broken |
| 16:39.28 | simonrvn | grep -in cifs /etc/init.d/mountnfs* ;p |
| 16:39.31 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yes. |
| 16:39.51 | dondelelcaro | s/simonrvn/benjamindees/ |
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| 16:40.26 | noisesmith | my laptop cannot do wpa under debian, I am using another device with port forwarding to the wireless over ethernet. I would rather not run a dhcp server on the forwarding device. How do I find out my dns to manually enter it on my debian box? |
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| 16:41.43 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: depends on the forwarding device. |
| 16:42.03 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: entering it is just a matter of editing /etc/resolv.conf or adding dns-nameserver entries if you're using resolvconf |
| 16:42.56 | noisesmith | dondelelcaro: I know how to set it, how do I find out what it is on the other machine |
| 16:43.11 | noisesmith | it is a linux box (dyne:bolic) |
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| 16:43.23 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: it depends on what the other machine is. |
| 16:43.29 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: then check its resolv.conf |
| 16:43.40 | webPragmatist | can you use find to do text searching in a file? |
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| 16:43.48 | webPragmatist | i can't seem to figure out how |
| 16:43.54 | _NoxIn_ | webPragmatist: use grep |
| 16:43.57 | dondelelcaro | webPragmatist: yes. Use it with -exec and grep. |
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| 16:44.15 | noisesmith | yeah, I tried that... dondelcaro, I wondered if there was a way to directly query the setting rather than the config file which appears unused |
| 16:44.15 | DocMAX78 | hallo |
| 16:44.25 | DocMAX78 | hab mal ne frage... |
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| 16:44.37 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: uh... the configuration file is what is used by nsswitch, so no, it's not unused. |
| 16:44.37 | DocMAX78 | in welcher log sieht man den text, der immer beim botten kommt? |
| 16:44.42 | DocMAX78 | syslog? |
| 16:44.49 | dondelelcaro | !gr |
| 16:44.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 16:45.13 | dondelelcaro | !de |
| 16:45.13 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 16:45.16 | dondelelcaro | isn't thinking |
| 16:45.56 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: if your device is insane and isn't using that configuration file, then you should check with your device's manufacturer or distributor. |
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| 16:46.14 | adamb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.16 | DocMAX78 | hello |
| 16:46.30 | DocMAX78 | where can i see the last text on logon?? syslog? |
| 16:46.31 | JyZyXEL | where is the documentation for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:46.38 | Vasistha | adamb: -O - |
| 16:46.38 | helo | would i get any better compression on a .img file if i did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/img/zerofile before taking the image? |
| 16:46.40 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: which last text on logon? |
| 16:46.43 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:46.50 | helo | of course, rm /mnt/img/zerofile afterwards :) |
| 16:46.50 | flixil | DocMAX78: try dmesg command imho |
| 16:46.53 | JyZyXEL | ok |
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| 16:47.07 | DocMAX78 | flixil... no, the text is not in there |
| 16:47.11 | dondelelcaro | helo: only if the device wasn't zeroed out before. |
| 16:47.21 | adamb | Vasistha: no, I need it as stdout |
| 16:47.25 | flixil | DocMAX78: /var/log/messages? |
| 16:47.25 | adamb | not into a file. |
| 16:47.29 | helo | that is a decent way to zero it out though? |
| 16:47.31 | dondelelcaro | helo: and you'd get slightly worse compression if it was. |
| 16:47.36 | dondelelcaro | helo: no, it's not. |
| 16:47.50 | dondelelcaro | helo: the right way is to use a sparse file, and compress it. |
| 16:48.08 | Vasistha | adamb: -O specifies an output file. if you specify '- |
| 16:48.18 | Vasistha | adamb: ...then that uses stdout as the output file |
| 16:48.22 | DocMAX78 | no |
| 16:48.22 | noisesmith | dondelelcaro: I have the forwarding set up so that I can access things by ip address, but using the same nameserver that is listed in the other machine's resolv.conf is not helping at all |
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| 16:48.33 | adamb | Vasistha: yeah? ok cool |
| 16:48.33 | DocMAX78 | not in messages |
| 16:48.37 | DocMAX78 | not in syslog |
| 16:48.43 | Vasistha | adamb: I think the manpage will actually tell you that ;) |
| 16:48.47 | DocMAX78 | where is the boot text? |
| 16:48.49 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: then use a different one? |
| 16:48.52 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: which boot text? |
| 16:49.00 | DocMAX78 | when starting the kernel |
| 16:49.04 | DocMAX78 | until login |
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| 16:49.54 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: the stuff the kernel outputs is stored in /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:52.42 | DocMAX78 | nooo |
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| 16:52.55 | DocMAX78 | dmesg syslog kernl.log messages |
| 16:53.03 | DocMAX78 | the all do not have to startup log |
| 16:53.05 | asg | DocMAX78: you probably want bootlogd |
| 16:53.08 | DocMAX78 | as seen on boot |
| 16:53.11 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: which startup log are you talking about? |
| 16:53.21 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: dmesg contains all of the kernel messages which are output on boot |
| 16:53.33 | DocMAX78 | no i searched dmesg |
| 16:53.34 | JyZyXEL | damn i wanna use 192.168.0.1 as my gateway |
| 16:53.39 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: if you want something that isn't a kernel message, it isn't stored there, and you need to tell us what you're talking about. |
| 16:53.44 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: what eaxctly are you trying to do? |
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| 16:53.45 | JyZyXEL | but it automatically uses 192.168.0.2 |
| 16:53.49 | noisesmith | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help, the problem was that I had my /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces fubarred on the debian box |
| 16:54.27 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: it won't if you've set the gateway properly. [In fact, it should never "automatically" use .2] |
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| 16:54.43 | JyZyXEL | it still does |
| 16:55.05 | DocMAX78 | dondelecaro... i get some errors on boot |
| 16:55.09 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: which errors? |
| 16:55.10 | JyZyXEL | i have "gateway 192.168.0.1" |
| 16:55.20 | JyZyXEL | in interfaces under my nic |
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| 16:55.27 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: give us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and ip addr; ip route; |
| 16:55.31 | JyZyXEL | and ifup eth0 uses 192.168.0.1 |
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| 16:56.15 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, it appears to not be "just working". running /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs manually mounts the filesystem fine though. |
| 16:56.19 | JyZyXEL | how you suppose i do that |
| 16:56.24 | JyZyXEL | when its down |
| 16:56.27 | DocMAX781 | cant find the error |
| 16:56.35 | DocMAX781 | only in the beginning at boot |
| 16:56.40 | DocMAX781 | there stands the error |
| 16:56.41 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: what is the error? |
| 16:56.50 | JyZyXEL | does it have a automatical fall back |
| 16:56.56 | DocMAX781 | some mountpoint |
| 16:57.03 | dondelelcaro | DocMAX78: and please stop overusing enter. Formulate the sentence that you're trying to write, and then write it. Then press enter. |
| 16:57.03 | DocMAX781 | i want to re-read it somewhere |
| 16:57.07 | JyZyXEL | how do i bring the interface up using ONLY the 192.168.0.1 as my gateway |
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| 16:57.12 | JyZyXEL | without any fallbacvks |
| 16:57.15 | DocMAX781 | ok |
| 16:57.28 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: there are no fallbacks. Send us the output that we've requested, otherwise we won't be able to assist you. |
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| 16:57.47 | JyZyXEL | i don't have iproute2 |
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| 16:57.57 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: then use route -n; ifconfig; |
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| 16:58.06 | JyZyXEL | the table is clean |
| 16:58.07 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, is the interface dhcp? |
| 16:58.09 | JyZyXEL | no routes at all |
| 16:58.13 | JyZyXEL | yes it indeed is |
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| 16:58.23 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: if it's dhcp, then you don't set the gateway at all. |
| 16:58.31 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: the dhcp server tells you what the gateway is. |
| 16:58.35 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, then you want to set dhcp to ignore the gateway that the dhcp server sends you. |
| 16:58.42 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 16:58.48 | dondelelcaro | or better, *fix* the dhcp serrver. |
| 16:59.07 | Vasistha | why dhcp in this situation anyway? |
| 16:59.12 | JyZyXEL | whats the executable for dhcp |
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| 17:00.30 | eigenvalue | hello. i've got a problem with a fresh debian-netinstall: the system doesn't find my second HD. The system (in /dev/sda2 (sata)) is booted by grub (wich is installed on /dev/sdb (ide) & uses /dev/sdb1/boot/grub/menu.lst), but the system doesn't recognize /dev/sdb (there is no /dev/hd* either). Could someone help me with that one? |
| 17:00.43 | JyZyXEL | dhcpclient |
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| 17:00.58 | JyZyXEL | i execute that and it gets the shit from 192.168.0.2 |
| 17:00.59 | JyZyXEL | always |
| 17:01.00 | DocMAX781 | ok i will reboot and write down my errors |
| 17:01.15 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: have you looked through dmesg? |
| 17:01.20 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, likely dhclient but it's called by ifup so you'll have to set it there. |
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| 17:01.45 | JyZyXEL | benjamindees its binary |
| 17:02.00 | JyZyXEL | i thought it was a script |
| 17:02.12 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: yes. but i'm absolutely not sure, what to search for.. |
| 17:02.19 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, man dhclient.conf perhaps |
| 17:02.51 | Vasistha | JyZyXEL: I once solved a problem with a broken dhcp server by putting some settings in /etc/dhcp3/ |
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| 17:03.24 | JyZyXEL | yess! |
| 17:03.27 | superlinux | hi all |
| 17:03.32 | JyZyXEL | rejected it |
| 17:03.48 | benjamindees | '/etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start' does nothing |
| 17:04.02 | Bushmills | gateway for dhcp comes into play when using a dhcp relay - but that's not a common configuration |
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| 17:04.35 | Bushmills | only relevant when dhcp server sits on a different network then dhcp clients |
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| 17:05.43 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: you can usually tell the dhcp client on which interface to broadcast the request |
| 17:05.45 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: oh, one other question - did the debian-installer detect the disk and present it as an install option when you chose to install on sda? |
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| 17:06.27 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: No, i was wondering about that, too |
| 17:06.59 | n3kl | I keep getting this message on login that says "You are not permitted to connect to the powersave daemon via DBUS" What group do I need to be a member of, I thought it was plugdev, but I am already a member of that one. |
| 17:07.14 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: it could be that it's some weird / new hardware that is not supported by the present kernel. I know there are still some kinks getting worked out with SATA interfaces |
| 17:07.22 | JyZyXEL | well well what a surprise |
| 17:07.30 | JyZyXEL | a gateway i made by myself doesn't work |
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| 17:08.07 | akio | hello |
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| 17:08.47 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: I shied away from buying a thinkpad t60 when I was shopping, because there were some reported problems with all but the newest kernels and the SATA interface. You might get on http://google.com/linux and look up your hardware on the compatibility lists |
| 17:08.51 | benjamindees | so, according to the mountnfs.sh init script, if there is no ASYNCMOUNTNFS option set in /etc/default/rcS, then it seems to do nothing by default, ignoring cifs filesystems in fstab. |
| 17:08.52 | JyZyXEL | and why is that all the iptables log rules always have to spam consoles |
| 17:09.11 | asg | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 17:09.19 | benjamindees | and there is no ASYNCMOUNTNFS option set in /etc/default/rcS by default |
| 17:09.22 | WormFood | I want a slightly older stinkpad....one that does not have those god damn windows keys |
| 17:09.23 | DocMAX781 | ok i rebooted and i cant find the bootlog in any of the logs |
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| 17:09.39 | akio | i'm having trouble inserting the fglrx module in place of the radeon module, i get the message that the operation is not permitted. can anyone point out what I need to do? (i did the fglrx one-liner) |
| 17:09.40 | asg | WormFood: you can remap those keys to do useful stuff |
| 17:09.51 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: the hd is about 2 or 3 years old - i guess its supportet. but i'm not sure about the chips on the motherboard. I'm going to have a look at the supported-list |
| 17:10.08 | simonrvn | benjamindees: so add it |
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| 17:10.34 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: can other operating systems detect and use the drive? |
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| 17:11.25 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: yes: ubuntu-hardy (2.6.24) & winXP |
| 17:11.26 | DocMAX781 | Mount point ' obusmode=0700,devmode=0600,listmode=0644' does not exist. Skipping mount. |
| 17:11.38 | superlinux | well, i am looking for an internet cafe management tool on Linux. name one for me please? |
| 17:11.38 | DocMAX781 | this comes up at kernel boot |
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| 17:11.57 | benjamindees | simonrvn, dondelelcaro, that fixes the problem. |
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| 17:12.35 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: ah, the fact that it's working with a 2.6.24 kernel is a real hint that there might be a hardware issue somewhere. You might try installing a backported kernel (of course that doesn't mean you have to uninstall your present kernel) |
| 17:12.52 | JyZyXEL | asg didn't work |
| 17:13.10 | asg | JyZyXEL: did you restart klogd? |
| 17:13.13 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 17:13.19 | benjamindees | can anyone on testing tell me what 'grep ASYNCMOUNTNFS /etc/default/rcS' says? |
| 17:13.20 | JyZyXEL | there wasn't a KLOGD variable btw |
| 17:13.23 | JyZyXEL | i just added id |
| 17:13.31 | JyZyXEL | so pointless |
| 17:13.34 | akio | benjamindees: give me a minute |
| 17:13.59 | akio | nothing |
| 17:14.06 | JyZyXEL | then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. |
| 17:14.07 | asg | JyZyXEL: then look at the init script and see what variable it expects and from where ... the factoid may be out of date |
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| 17:14.09 | _NoxIn_ | benjamindees: nothing here also |
| 17:14.20 | JyZyXEL | asg i cannot look it |
| 17:14.23 | JyZyXEL | im getting flooded |
| 17:14.24 | JyZyXEL | with that shit |
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| 17:14.55 | asg | JyZyXEL: what debian version? |
| 17:14.58 | JyZyXEL | stable |
| 17:15.12 | JyZyXEL | the console is getting so flooded its just impossible to see anything |
| 17:15.25 | benjamindees | okay I will download the 'mountnfs.sh' init script from testing and look it over as well. |
| 17:15.26 | asg | JyZyXEL: then edit /etc/default/klogd |
| 17:15.46 | Bushmills | superlinux: for access accounting? |
| 17:15.46 | JyZyXEL | asg what |
| 17:15.47 | JyZyXEL | what do you want me to edit |
| 17:16.02 | asg | JyZyXEL: that's where the variable is on etch and newer |
| 17:16.15 | JyZyXEL | whats the contents of the variable |
| 17:16.24 | DocMAX781 | Mount point ' obusmode=0700,devmode=0600,listmode=0644' does not exist. Skipping mount. |
| 17:16.26 | asg | JyZyXEL: same as the factoid |
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| 17:16.33 | JyZyXEL | oh its a different file |
| 17:16.35 | infinitycircuit | JyZyXEL, is the problem that you have too many kernel messages on the console? what if you set kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 in sysctl? |
| 17:16.37 | JyZyXEL | ill go try |
| 17:16.40 | DocMAX781 | how can i get rid of it? |
| 17:16.41 | akio | is there a tool like nvidia-settings for fglrx? |
| 17:16.58 | asg | DocMAX781: comment the broken mountpoint in /etc/fstab or fix the error |
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| 17:17.13 | Vasistha | crap! I hate that packages.debian.org shows NO results when the keyword is too generic. It makes it REALLY difficult to find a package when you don't know the exact name. no hints, no disambiguation, no guide whatsoever as to how to make the keyword less generic. What to do??? |
| 17:17.24 | akio | i can't even get a generic xorg.conf with fglrx to work |
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| 17:17.38 | akio | it says something about no screens |
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| 17:17.49 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: Thanks, i'm gonna try to find one. |
| 17:17.53 | superlinux | Bushmills u know the tool like "easy cafe" .. oh yeah access accounting |
| 17:18.00 | themill | Vasistha: apt-cache search |
| 17:18.02 | infinitycircuit | Vasistha, what do you wnat? |
| 17:18.29 | Vasistha | themill: apt-cache search does not show me results for suites that are not installed on my computer |
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| 17:18.54 | infinitycircuit | Vasistha, that makes no sense |
| 17:18.55 | Vasistha | infinitycircuit: actually, I was just trying to find the linux kernel on etch-backports |
| 17:19.03 | themill | Vasistha: You can add them into your sources.list but with sensible pinning and then it works just fine. (I do) |
| 17:19.22 | Bushmills | superlinux: i've set up internet cafe. for accounting i scripted a ticket system. i.e. prepaid. customer buys ticket, containing the logon. as long he's logged in, the time ticks. login out mean he can keep and reuse his ticket another time., |
| 17:19.31 | infinitycircuit | Vasistha, oh i see what you mean. just add backports and apt-cache search ^linux-image |
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| 17:19.32 | Bushmills | superlinux: administratively much easier. |
| 17:19.37 | Vasistha | themill: it adds a huge amount of time to updating though, and also makes aptitude work much slower when it's building the list. |
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| 17:19.57 | DocMAX781 | asg thanks, next error: /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d !!! |
| 17:20.06 | DocMAX781 | how to get rid of this? |
| 17:20.20 | superlinux | oh yea.. i think i can make it thru killing the user.. aint it? |
| 17:20.26 | themill | Vasistha: true. Depends on whether you want your search results or not though. You could also use google with site:packages.debian.org if you want. |
| 17:20.35 | simonrvn | modprobe.conf i don't think is used for 2.6 kernels (IIRC) |
| 17:20.43 | superlinux | i mean usin the kill command |
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| 17:21.20 | Bushmills | superlinux: right, when he doesn't add credit, the account will be removed. means also, he can keep his account as long as he adds credit. |
| 17:21.54 | Bushmills | that is, he can have a personalized login. and, with credit left, he's likely to come back |
| 17:21.54 | Vasistha | themill: huh, that's actually not a bad idea! I just miss the old packages interface that would give huge multi-page lists for a generic query. Maybe that was too heavy, but ... I mean, what's lighter on the server? Providing a condensed list that shows a lot of entries for the special case, or handling 20 of my queries in a row because I can't get what I want? :) |
| 17:22.33 | Bushmills | especially if, say, a 10 hour ticket is available for lower price per hour than a 1 hour ticket |
| 17:22.50 | DexterF | I passed a backup script to GRUB in the kernel line: init=/sbin/backup. works fine but when the script is done and calls /sbin/halt, the kernel panics. why? |
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| 17:23.04 | Bushmills | plus, you don't need trained staff to print or sell the tickets |
| 17:23.05 | benjamindees | okay the bug exists in testing as well |
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| 17:23.39 | DocMAX781 | got it |
| 17:23.51 | DocMAX781 | i compiled binfmt_misc module |
| 17:23.53 | superlinux | ok |
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| 17:24.07 | superlinux | so how to kill a remote user? |
| 17:24.08 | DocMAX781 | thanks to everyone who supported me |
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| 17:24.16 | superlinux | by ssh? |
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| 17:24.22 | simonrvn | slay |
| 17:24.22 | DocMAX781 | ruser -u username -kill |
| 17:24.22 | asg | very long stick? |
| 17:24.25 | benjamindees | superlinux, who -u --ips and kill the offending process |
| 17:24.32 | themill | Vasistha: considering how slow p.d.o was getting before they changed it, that probably answers your question! |
| 17:24.35 | asg | superlinux: slay |
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| 17:24.53 | DocMAX781 | i will reboot now |
| 17:24.54 | DocMAX781 | bye |
| 17:25.21 | Bushmills | no. process running, checking remaining time. give warning a few minutes before time runs out. kill all user processes, remove account when it does. |
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| 17:26.18 | dondelelcaro | probably useful to have a grace period before removing an account, though. |
| 17:26.32 | dondelelcaro | (just in case someone had saved a document or something that they want) |
| 17:26.36 | Vasistha | themill: well, I mean, part of what was happening there is that it was returning a huge amount of info for each package. Even a plain list of names, without enumerating each architecture/variation, heck without even hyperlinks, would be much better than nothing. Anyway, I should send a mailint list message rather than complaining to you :) |
| 17:26.49 | Bushmills | yes. the warning. in addtion, each account had more minutes than actually purchased for. |
| 17:27.00 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: actually, you should provide a patch instead of doing either! ;-) |
| 17:27.03 | Bushmills | 30 min accs were 35 min. 1 hour was 70 min |
| 17:27.17 | Bushmills | courtesy of the manangement :) |
| 17:27.43 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: now that is an interesting idea! Where should I look for the source? Is there an svn checkout somewhere? |
| 17:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: I mean, disable it at the time limit, then go through later and remove it at some time in the future. |
| 17:27.52 | superlinux | Bushmills well, how to adress that user who is on that ip address? |
| 17:27.58 | Vasistha | of course, if it's written in perl, that's much less likely to happen |
| 17:28.10 | superlinux | i have each person on his own box |
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| 17:28.30 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: ok. i found the 2.6.24, but i'm really not sure, how to install it. do you know, where in packages.debian.org the correct repository to add is listed? or is it just "backports" or another repository for the backports?? |
| 17:28.53 | Bushmills | superlinux: this were diskless clients. all home dirs were on one single server. each ticket had an own account. doesn't matter on what machine that was. customer could logout and go to another machine, log in again there. |
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| 17:29.17 | Vasistha | eigenvalue: go to backports.org and read the instructions on the web, they're quite good :) And it's probably worth testing the "official" backport which is a 2.6.22 |
| 17:29.20 | Bushmills | using raid, of course. |
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| 17:29.35 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: I don't remember where it is, but it's probably on svn.debian.org or git.debian.org or similar. |
| 17:29.48 | eigenvalue | Vasistha: ok. thanks again. |
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| 17:29.57 | scriptdevil | I get this error when I apt-get update W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry extra/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 17:31.28 | scriptdevil | What should I do? |
| 17:31.29 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: http://packages.debian.org/about/ |
| 17:31.33 | superlinux | ok mate |
| 17:31.56 | superlinux | i will have to do diskless which is a thing i will have to learn |
| 17:32.17 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: thanks! now I can scratch my itch, or at least stop complaining |
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| 17:34.19 | Bushmills | superlinux: has definitely advantages in such an environment. no disk in machines saves costs with workstations. system is much easier scalable - just add another workstation out of the box. and the config is central, wich simplifies system-wide config. |
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| 17:40.04 | scriptdevil | can anybody help sort that out? |
| 17:40.44 | JyZyXEL | does dhcpd share the /etc/hosts file for other computers? |
| 17:40.46 | Bushmills | scriptdevil: try a different mirror |
| 17:40.58 | wols_ | scriptdevil: your sources.list please |
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| 17:41.22 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: it's a dhcpd, not a nameserver |
| 17:41.27 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 17:41.38 | scriptdevil | Bushmills: I tried the indian, netherland and us mirror |
| 17:41.42 | chops | Is there a way to get bash to deal with files with spaces in them in a for loop? |
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| 17:41.49 | JyZyXEL | wols_ soo dnsmasq perhaps? |
| 17:41.53 | scriptdevil | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main extra contrib non-free |
| 17:41.57 | Bushmills | scriptdevil: then do what wols_ says |
| 17:42.06 | wols_ | dnsmasq's DNS server does yes |
| 17:42.10 | chops | I have: for x in `find . -iname '*,d'`; do ls --sort=time -r "$x/*" | head -n -1; done |
| 17:42.11 | scriptdevil | that is the only line |
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| 17:42.15 | JyZyXEL | yea! |
| 17:42.22 | chops | But that obviously doesn't work with files with spaces in them... |
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| 17:42.27 | Bushmills | extra? |
| 17:42.31 | Bushmills | what's that? |
| 17:42.45 | wols_ | Bushmills: exactly. this is why I wanted to see it |
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| 17:43.28 | V4Nelle | guys aptitude full-upgrade dont show me upgrades which apt-get full-upgrade show.....any help? |
| 17:43.42 | V4Nelle | apt-get dist-upgrade* |
| 17:43.43 | scriptdevil | wols_: oops.. It never struck me.. Archlinux influence! Sorry! |
| 17:43.47 | chops | V4Nelle: Can you pastebin the full output of both of them? |
| 17:43.55 | scriptdevil | Really Sorry! |
| 17:44.04 | V4Nelle | ok |
| 17:44.07 | adv_ | is there i can call passwd from a script? non interactive mode? |
| 17:44.18 | wols_ | V4Nelle: what version of debian is this? |
| 17:44.33 | Bushmills | adv_: chpasswd |
| 17:44.42 | V4Nelle | wols_, lenny |
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| 17:45.26 | wols_ | V4Nelle: man aptitude |
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| 17:45.38 | V4Nelle | http://www.pastebin.org/42905 |
| 17:46.01 | V4Nelle | wols_, i looked there...but i can't find the problem......maybe my english is the reason :) |
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| 17:46.23 | Bushmills | iceweasel 3.0 made it into sid now |
| 17:47.13 | adv_ | Bushmills: thank you, can you give an example of its usage? the manpage doesn't help much |
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| 17:47.58 | Bushmills | adv_: user_name:password - how does that not help? |
| 17:48.00 | wols_ | V4Nelle: look at the v's |
| 17:48.02 | hoxu | Bushmills, cool |
| 17:48.08 | adv_ | it doesn't work |
| 17:48.13 | adv_ | like chpasswd user:pas |
| 17:48.51 | Bushmills | adv_: do you know what "from standard input" means? |
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| 17:49.27 | superlinux | Bushmills, ok bro |
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| 17:49.31 | superlinux | thanks |
| 17:49.41 | adv_ | chpasswd <user:pass doesn't work |
| 17:50.20 | superlinux | Bushmills is there a howto i can study and start from for diskless? |
| 17:50.31 | Bushmills | adv_: the man page says clearly: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213120215709201208.png |
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| 17:51.30 | Bushmills | superlinux: yes. Network-boot-HOWTO |
| 17:51.42 | superlinux | ok |
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| 17:53.02 | Bushmills | adv_: try chpasswd <<< "user:newpassword" |
| 17:54.15 | Bushmills | double quotes not required. but don't hurt |
| 17:54.37 | nullie | <<< ? |
| 17:54.42 | adv_ | Bushmills: hm i haven't seen this before |
| 17:54.44 | adv_ | what's <<< |
| 17:54.44 | Bushmills | so called "here doc" |
| 17:56.09 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.24 | malagmyr | a |
| 17:56.35 | adv_ | right, thanks |
| 17:56.37 | Bushmills | that's a bashism |
| 17:56.43 | adv_ | is there a << too? |
| 17:56.44 | nullie | Bushmills, echo can be trapped with ps |
| 17:56.53 | Bushmills | adv_: no. jsut > |
| 17:56.54 | Bushmills | < |
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| 17:57.18 | adv_ | k |
| 17:58.14 | Bushmills | nullie: yeah. should have said "is functionally equivalent" |
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| 18:14.45 | daswork | I'm considering setting up a cheap pair of machines for a client's site. |
| 18:14.50 | daswork | Each machine has three NICs. |
| 18:14.56 | daswork | One for WAN, one for LAN, one OPT. |
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| 18:15.05 | daswork | Machine #1 is hooked up to WAN, LAN, and OPT. |
| 18:15.10 | daswork | Machine #2 is OPT online. |
| 18:15.40 | daswork | Every day, Machine #2 rsyncs everything from machine #1, except the OPT network address. |
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| 18:15.56 | daswork | If machine #1 fails, all it requires is hooking up machine #2. |
| 18:16.08 | daswork | Any reason why this wouldn't work? |
| 18:16.45 | simonrvn | set up correctly, i don't see why it wouldn't. |
| 18:17.49 | Bushmills | daswork: fails when the reason to fail has been rsynced to machine2 |
| 18:18.23 | chops | daswork: There are some tricky issues to deal with with e.g. mail spools and other things that aren't free of side effects when rsynced over to an active machine |
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| 18:19.02 | simonrvn | ... but i'll let people with more experience than i speak to that ;). |
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| 18:23.47 | infinity1 | how can i figure out why a server crashes? is there another way other than logging to a serial console? |
| 18:24.56 | De_Mon | What would cause debconf's "dialog" interface to render incorrectly? TERM is set to screen libreadline5-2.2 |
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| 18:25.39 | De_Mon | i'm ssh'd to two machines with as far as i can tell have the same enviroment but the dialog interface isn't working on the recently built machine |
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| 18:26.07 | gma | hi ppl |
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| 18:26.34 | gma | anyone samba expert here? |
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| 18:26.50 | De_Mon | gma pretend we all are |
| 18:26.51 | flixil | I downloaded the source of a package, modified a bit, and tried to build a deb from it with dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot but it says that the content changed, what can i do to use the debian building way? |
| 18:27.08 | gma | De_Mon: wow :) |
| 18:27.50 | gma | so my problem is, a samba server somehow mishandles roaming profiles, while user and domain rights are seems to be fine |
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| 18:28.18 | cheater | hi |
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| 18:28.33 | cheater | does debian's 3-dvd release include GDB and other debuggers, and asm tools? |
| 18:28.37 | badcfe | i use vesafb, and i know thats there some real mode machine instructions to accomplish it. so there shoild be some ioctl ... argh noone answers in #linux. |
| 18:28.43 | gma | so a windows client gets a message his profile is not usabe, saveable etc |
| 18:28.52 | badcfe | i want to ask the console if the whole screen has been refreshed completely. is there some ioctl or alike to do this? i dont find any info about it in /usr/src/linux-2.6.24.7/Documentation/fb |
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| 18:29.25 | twobitwork | what do you all suggest for swappiness? |
| 18:29.34 | De_Mon | what does samba say in the logs when that happens? |
| 18:29.37 | twobitwork | for general desktop use.... |
| 18:29.42 | benjamindees | flixil, from what I can tell that depends on the package; when you used dpkg-buildpackage did you move the source packages out of the top directory? |
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| 18:30.44 | flixil | I did apt-get source p; then cd p<tabl>; some editing; dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:31.10 | benjamindees | flixil, I suggest making a source dir and moving the source packages there before running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:32.07 | De_Mon | okay, something in screenrc is breaking the dialog interface. getting warmer |
| 18:33.56 | flixil | benjamindees: :) seems this works thanks |
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| 18:36.26 | rokra | hello |
| 18:38.22 | badcfe | im using vedafb on debian. i mmap and memcpy, so its going to fast when my realtime computations are too easy. i dont manage to find out if theres an ioctl or other trick to do in order to get to know wether the screen has been completely refreshed yet. |
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| 18:38.50 | badcfe | i code some c stuff and remember theres real mode machine instructions in order to check if whole screen has been redrawn (in instruction) and now i want to find out if i can access that from protectedmode linux running thru a ioctl or something |
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| 18:39.58 | cheater | what do debian's 5 dvds from the weekly build have that the 3 dvds from the stable don't? |
| 18:40.36 | benjamindees | cheater, the weekly build is a completely different version of debian. |
| 18:40.36 | Nyle | stable was frozen well over 12 months ago |
| 18:40.50 | Nyle | all the software is versions behind daily |
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| 18:41.33 | benjamindees | !testing |
| 18:41.33 | dpkg | testing is probably a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target> |
| 18:41.57 | Nyle | !daily |
| 18:42.00 | benjamindees | I like that last description |
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| 18:42.23 | Nyle | haha |
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| 18:42.32 | Nyle | i need lotion brb |
| 18:42.36 | Nyle | tattoo is dry |
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| 18:43.46 | Nyle | ok |
| 18:44.08 | Nyle | hey everytime I pickup my cordless phone my wireless internet drops |
| 18:44.11 | Nyle | what gives? |
| 18:44.27 | Nyle | I think my cordless works at 2 and half gig also |
| 18:44.40 | webPragmatist | o.O |
| 18:44.43 | benjamindees | cheater, testing will become the next stable, lenny. and despite that description it is quite stable for desktop use. |
| 18:45.14 | Nyle | webPragmatist, yeh my feelings exactly |
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| 18:45.35 | webPragmatist | Nyle: maybe its your brainwaves interfering |
| 18:45.50 | webPragmatist | is it possible to get notifications of new packages? |
| 18:45.55 | webPragmatist | or a specific package update |
| 18:46.06 | benjamindees | Nyle, in my experience that is completely expected. |
| 18:46.23 | cheater | benjamindees: ok |
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| 18:46.27 | Nyle | benjamindees, wifi is 2.4xxx ghz, cordless phone is also around 2.6ghz |
| 18:46.31 | dadark | Hey folks |
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| 18:46.36 | dondelelcaro | webPragmatist: aptitude has an entire section for them. |
| 18:46.37 | cheater | benjamindees: is it good enough for development, debugging, etc? |
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| 18:46.45 | simonrvn | <OT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdxymWZ6MUE&feature=related # in case you haven't heard already... ;) </OT> |
| 18:46.46 | Nyle | benjamindees, any workarounds other than not using cordless phone |
| 18:46.53 | cheater | benjamindees: also, can it compile for other architectures properly? |
| 18:46.57 | dadark | How can I remove a package when it fails to regularly being uninstalled (e.g. because files are missing) |
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| 18:47.13 | webPragmatist | dondelelcaro: i was wondering like maybe someone on the packages website |
| 18:47.20 | benjamindees | cheater, if you're doing development on debian, yes it is superior. if you're developing your own programs it kind of depends. |
| 18:47.26 | nullie | oh, aptitude |
| 18:47.31 | nullie | why I though it is called synaptic |
| 18:47.47 | Nyle | simonrvn, :) |
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| 18:48.19 | dondelelcaro | webPragmatist: not to my knowledge; I suppose you could make a patch to p.d.o to do so, though. |
| 18:48.20 | Pig_Pen | whats that dpkg command to adjust the time? |
| 18:48.25 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 18:48.26 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 18:48.38 | benjamindees | Nyle, get different cordless phone :p |
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| 18:48.56 | Nyle | benjamindees, which freq. is most compat with wifi in the house |
| 18:48.57 | webPragmatist | throw away your phone |
| 18:48.58 | Pig_Pen | thanks :) |
| 18:49.00 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it shouldn't matter |
| 18:49.13 | benjamindees | Nyle, 900 mhz |
| 18:49.16 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: the cordless phone shouldn't be using the same frequency as wifi, and .2GHz is more than enough separation for it not to matter. |
| 18:49.16 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, when my landline rings, I pick up my cordless, and my wifi connection drops |
| 18:49.19 | wols_ | Nyle: 1 7 13 iare your main choices |
| 18:49.22 | CcSsNET_ | anyone here good with getting nvidia drivers going |
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| 18:49.36 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: switch channels on the wifi and/or on the phone. |
| 18:49.36 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, any idea how/why it could be happeneing |
| 18:49.41 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 18:49.46 | wols_ | cause modern DECT cordless phones speak in the same frequency range |
| 18:49.53 | Nyle | trying on router from chan 6 to 11 |
| 18:49.53 | spyhd3r | Nyle: get a 5.8GHZ phone |
| 18:49.59 | CcSsNET_ | ive got it going on arch no problem but it was only easy cuz the repositories had prebuilt setups |
| 18:49.59 | wols_ | both us 2.4GHz |
| 18:50.09 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: your phone could also be really bad, and broadcasting outside of a narrow band |
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| 18:50.21 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, I got the pretty good kind |
| 18:50.24 | Cliph | Hi, I'm building a meta-dpkg and it has a bunch of dependencies that are also available in my repository, when I try installing <my-meta-package> I get a message about some of my dependencies stating "Depends: <other dependency> but it is not going to be installed" |
| 18:50.25 | Nyle | i think |
| 18:50.28 | wols_ | CcSsNET_: what nvidia chip and what debian branch? |
| 18:50.30 | Cliph | I don't understand this message |
| 18:50.30 | Nyle | or maybe this one is bad |
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| 18:50.57 | wols_ | Cliph: pastebin the messages |
| 18:51.02 | wols_ | Cliph: full output |
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| 18:51.45 | Cliph | wols_: ok |
| 18:51.46 | CcSsNET_ | nvidia 8500GT |
| 18:52.02 | CcSsNET_ | unknown chipset name idk |
| 18:52.13 | dadark | Another question guys.. I accidentally removed /var/lib/postgresql and even if I reinstall postgres with --force-confmiss dpkg option, it only complains about the non-existence of that directory rather than recreating it.. Any ideas? |
| 18:52.16 | wols_ | 8500GT is the chipset. what debian branch? |
| 18:52.28 | CcSsNET_ | i use daily build usually |
| 18:52.31 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: hard to say; it looks like most of them are using frequency hopping though, which is seriously problematic. |
| 18:52.32 | wols_ | dadark: purge postgres and reinstall |
| 18:52.34 | CcSsNET_ | i like to see whats going o |
| 18:52.34 | CcSsNET_ | n |
| 18:52.46 | dadark | wols_: Tried that, doesn't work either |
| 18:52.47 | wols_ | CcSsNET_: there is no "dialy build". what debian branch? |
| 18:52.48 | Cliph | here is my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d3ff76a8b |
| 18:52.54 | CcSsNET_ | testing |
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| 18:53.08 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: if possible, switch to a 5G or 900Mhz phone; you also may be able to get by by reloacting the AP and phone base station |
| 18:53.09 | wols_ | !tell CcSsNET_ about ssb |
| 18:53.15 | Cliph | http://pastebin.com/d1efb6512 |
| 18:53.16 | wols_ | !tell CcSsNET_ about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:53.20 | Cliph | includes my control file |
| 18:53.20 | VaRo_DJ | Hello, I have a problem with Grub |
| 18:53.24 | wols_ | you will need to backport nvidia drivers from sid |
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| 18:53.48 | benjamindees | Nyle, or get a wifi phone :) |
| 18:53.56 | wols_ | Cliph: apt-cache policy jazinga-gui |
| 18:53.57 | CcSsNET_ | ive got arch setup right now fine with drivers and e17 |
| 18:54.12 | CcSsNET_ | but was wondering for debain cuz i like it better lol thx for the links |
| 18:54.25 | Nyle | im engrossed in the video simonrvn posted |
| 18:54.26 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:54.32 | Nyle | freakin sweet. |
| 18:54.44 | Cliph | http://pastebin.com/d77ab67b9 |
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| 18:55.07 | wols_ | Cliph: #ubuntu |
| 18:55.13 | wols_ | we don't support ubuntu |
| 18:55.15 | helo | Nyle: what video? |
| 18:55.26 | VaRo_DJ | I was installed DesktopBSD (With GRUB), Now I have erase this Partition with DesktopBSD, The GRUB of Debian not run, say Error 22: No sourch partition :/ :'( |
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| 18:55.29 | wols_ | helo: the kucinich one where he demans an impeachmnent of bush |
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| 18:55.30 | Nyle | I don't know. |
| 18:55.40 | Cliph | this isn't an ubuntu question, it's a packaging question, about dpkg packages I am building myself |
| 18:55.49 | wols_ | VaRo_DJ: reinstall grub |
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| 18:55.57 | dadark | wols_: Here is what happens: http://pastebin.com/mba0c12 |
| 18:56.01 | simonrvn | Cliph: and? |
| 18:56.04 | VaRo_DJ | Whois? |
| 18:56.10 | RedBlack | him when we can expect a new version of debian? |
| 18:56.14 | wols_ | Cliph: but this channel is not named #ubuntu. this is #debian and we ONLY support debian. please go back to #ubuntu |
| 18:56.18 | Cliph | Is this not the best place for dpkg support? |
| 18:56.30 | wols_ | only if you run debian. if not: no |
| 18:56.35 | CcSsNET_ | of course Cliph |
| 18:56.38 | VaRo_DJ | :( |
| 18:56.44 | Nyle | how come the ubuntu people can't help you? |
| 18:56.45 | Nyle | huh? |
| 18:56.47 | CcSsNET_ | ignore them someone will help some point haha |
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| 18:56.54 | Cliph | I am building debian packages |
| 18:56.55 | Lethalman | hello |
| 18:56.56 | wols_ | CcSsNET_: no, no one will |
| 18:56.57 | benjamindees | RedBlack, as soon as you install testing and report bugs and they are fixed :) |
| 18:56.57 | Lethalman | I used alsaconf |
| 18:56.58 | Nyle | cswrong. |
| 18:57.02 | Lethalman | how do I reconfigure the audio? |
| 18:57.05 | Lethalman | it doesn't start at boot |
| 18:57.07 | wols_ | Cliph: please stop |
| 18:57.07 | VaRo_DJ | Can you help me? I intented reinstall grub doesn't work :( |
| 18:57.11 | jelly | wols_: and even then, packaging questions are better asked in #debian-mentors |
| 18:57.16 | RedBlack | benjamindees :D |
| 18:57.26 | Cliph | thank you jelly |
| 18:57.35 | wols_ | jelly: now you did it and he will annoy that channel too |
| 18:57.39 | jelly | Cliph: that's on irc.debian.org, dff. network |
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| 18:57.58 | wols_ | jelly: why? |
| 18:58.08 | dadark | Hey folks.. Trying to install postgres after removing /var/lib/postgresql.. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/mba0c12 |
| 18:58.20 | jelly | wols_: because this is a support channel, not a packaging one? |
| 18:58.38 | wols_ | jelly: but he is running ubuntu, not debian |
| 18:59.02 | Cliph | thanks again jelly |
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| 18:59.04 | wols_ | dadark: have you actually purged all postgres packages? |
| 18:59.19 | jelly | wols_: yeah, I read that. If they choose not to help, he'll know better |
| 18:59.27 | VaRo_DJ | T_T |
| 18:59.30 | dadark | wols_: Yup.. postgresql-8.3 and postgresql-common (which contains /var/lib/postgresql) |
| 18:59.31 | wols_ | he will lie |
| 19:00.03 | jelly | wols_: I cannot presume that. |
| 19:00.07 | wols_ | dadark: desn't look like it. purge, then "dpkg -l postgres" |
| 19:00.13 | wols_ | dadark: desn't look like it. purge, then "dpkg -l |grep postgres" |
| 19:00.29 | dadark | wols_: Okay, will try that out |
| 19:00.30 | wols_ | you must be new here jelly |
| 19:00.39 | jelly | wols_: not all people lie. This is not House MD. |
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| 19:01.03 | wols_ | this is #debian. the place with permasundays and other stuff |
| 19:01.25 | jelly | yeah, and I got rid of an ubuntu person. What's your point? |
| 19:01.41 | wols_ | you shoved it onto someone else. which is bad karma |
| 19:01.48 | wols_ | and not back to where he belongs |
| 19:01.53 | jelly | not if they actually help him |
| 19:02.15 | wols_ | if it were help, we could ahve given him that |
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| 19:02.44 | daniele | hello |
| 19:03.04 | daniele | someone knows if there is a package with the lucidaso latex fonts? |
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| 19:03.40 | wols_ | !tell daniele about search |
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| 19:04.11 | dadark | wols_: You were right, thanks.. It refused to purge postgresql-8.3 first because it couldn't "stop" it |
| 19:04.26 | daniele | wols_: i did try tghe usual search strategies without luck |
| 19:04.45 | wols_ | daniele: If you already did that, it's not in debian |
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| 19:05.21 | De_Mon | when I access debconf's dialog interface through screen it looks like jibbirish, but without screen it looks fine. any ideas whats going on i don't see any enviroment variables or screen config difference between a server where its working and not-working |
| 19:05.43 | asg | daniele: did you actually mean lucidaso or was that a typo meaning lucida? |
| 19:05.59 | superlinux | guys i installed ltsp-* pkgs on a VMware.. |
| 19:06.09 | daniele | asg: there is a latex package called lucidaso |
| 19:06.36 | asg | daniele: then wols is right, it's not packaged in debian |
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| 19:08.29 | superlinux | i have this message when running ltspadmin : failed termcap lookup in /usr/sbin/ltspadmin line 156 |
| 19:08.44 | superlinux | i have this message when running ltspadmin : failed termcap lookup on linux in /usr/sbin/ltspadmin line 156 |
| 19:09.16 | n0mad | sth ? |
| 19:09.27 | n0mad | what means "sth" ? |
| 19:10.07 | Eulex | common acronym for something |
| 19:11.26 | benjamindees | I guess there is no way to file a bug against stable and testing at the same time? |
| 19:12.01 | wols_ | just file against stable |
| 19:12.21 | wols_ | you could just tell you confirmed it in testing version xxx in the body of the message too |
| 19:12.31 | benjamindees | I did but I'm wondering if that means it will be ignored. |
| 19:12.39 | wols_ | !tell superlinux about termcap |
| 19:12.52 | wols_ | supposedly ALL bugs are looked at. no matter for which package and where |
| 19:12.57 | wols_ | and read by the maintainer of package |
| 19:13.30 | superlinux | wols_ ok |
| 19:14.28 | jelly | wols_: according to lastlog, we didn't help Cliph. I thought he deserved help so I pointed him where someone might know better. Pushing a user who asks about debian/control files and apt issues to #ubuntu is counterproductive. Only stew over there pointed him in the right direction. While the same advice could have been given here, it wasn't. |
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| 19:15.56 | simonrvn | jelly++ |
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| 19:16.36 | superlinux | wols_ the ltspadmin is a script |
| 19:16.38 | wols_ | wonders why all those who knew actually the problem didn't point him to the proper solution THEN |
| 19:16.39 | simonrvn | i wasn't any different... |
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| 19:17.04 | wols_ | superlinux: so check what's causing it |
| 19:17.15 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:17.15 | wols_ | superlinux: is this ltspadmin installed from a official debian repo? |
| 19:17.34 | jaggz- | I have a directory /n/backups/ but it seems updatedb hasn't picked it up at all in a month... when I look at updatedb.conf it's not excluded in the prune-paths though.. I think all of /n/ is not being picked up... whyfor? |
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| 19:18.06 | superlinux | i cant tell really.. i dont have the logical knowledge of it.. i have the programmings skills only. got what i mean.? |
| 19:18.20 | simonrvn | jaggz-: is it a remote share, like nfs cifs, or such? |
| 19:18.22 | wols_ | superlinux: answer my question please |
| 19:18.54 | jaggz- | no.. it's local.. but user "nobody" doesn't have access to it I just found.. |
| 19:19.14 | jaggz- | I thought updatedb went in as root and then the locate-program filtered it out when any user wanted results |
| 19:19.18 | superlinux | wols_ it's from the testing version from the aussie mirror |
| 19:19.35 | wols_ | superlinux: check BTS then |
| 19:19.44 | simonrvn | jaggz-: there's secure locate, and a root locate, by default |
| 19:19.49 | superlinux | what do u mean by BTS? |
| 19:20.06 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 19:20.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 19:20.16 | simonrvn | jaggz-: you can install another - at least in testing or unstable, and maybe etch too |
| 19:20.19 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:20.29 | jaggz- | that's what I need.. it's been around a long time .. I remember slocate :) |
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| 19:22.50 | jaggz- | installed it.. it updates the crons and stuff -- but it doesn't touch /etc/updatedb.conf, which still uses "nobody".. hm. |
| 19:23.18 | simonrvn | i'd man it so you can edit that safely |
| 19:24.07 | spyhd3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.39 | Nyle | empty line? |
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| 19:31.44 | kergoth | hmm, anyone know of a way to dump a list of all the conffiles from all the installed debian packages which have changed from default? |
| 19:32.36 | asg | kergoth: dunno if debsums will show configs or not but it's worth a look. |
| 19:33.04 | kergoth | ah, thanks, i'll check that |
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| 19:33.41 | asg | kergoth: sadly, not all packages have debsums (the ones that do are listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums) |
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| 19:36.08 | Sam1337 | Does root ever need anything saved in /home? |
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| 19:36.41 | Sam1337 | The Debian partitioner reserved 5% for root in /home and that's a LOT considering the size of my /home partition. |
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| 19:36.58 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: that's configurable |
| 19:37.12 | Sam1337 | dondelelcaro: Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear :) |
| 19:37.23 | Lethalman | how do i use ccache when building debs? |
| 19:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: it happens to be the default for the reserved blocks to be 5%, which keeps root from running out of space, but you can set it to be anything you want. |
| 19:37.33 | Lethalman | i can't find any useful docs around |
| 19:37.49 | J_P | hey all, I have a VGA chipset intel (Intel Corporation 82852/855GM) and I have installed the "xserver-xorg-video-intel"package. But in /etc/X11/xorg.conf don't have any place on this file referente to intel driver. I'm running video and are using 100% cpu. If i use intel driver in xorg.conf, will be use less cpu and more video chipset right ? |
| 19:38.11 | dondelelcaro | Lethalman: /usr/share/doc/ccache/README.Debian |
| 19:38.23 | Lethalman | aaah thanks dondelelcaro |
| 19:38.24 | Sam1337 | Why should any partitions be reserved for root? No other users save anything out of /home and root never saves anything to /root so wouldn't reserving space for root on any partitions be rather pointless? |
| 19:38.27 | infernix | Sam1337: on /home you can set it to 0 but when fsck runs and it has no space to store lost+found files, i don't know what will happen |
| 19:38.28 | dondelelcaro | (which should really be the first place you check at any time) |
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| 19:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: uh... root writes stuff to loads of places |
| 19:38.52 | Sam1337 | Stupid inexperienced me >< |
| 19:38.56 | infernix | but not home usually |
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| 19:39.14 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: almount everything outside of /home is root's territory. |
| 19:39.25 | Sam1337 | infernix: How much space would lost+found need? Or does it vary a lot? |
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| 19:39.38 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: depends on how many lost inodes there are |
| 19:39.44 | infernix | none if you have a UPS and do backups :p |
| 19:39.53 | infernix | and are using raid :p |
| 19:39.54 | J_P | any sugestion ? |
| 19:39.55 | Sam1337 | Damn power cuts >< |
| 19:39.57 | dondelelcaro | (though generally if you're linking things to lost+found, there's more than enough free space to do so) |
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| 19:40.21 | infernix | J_P: yes is the answer. |
| 19:40.42 | dondelelcaro | J_P: if you're using a modern version of X, it won't matter. |
| 19:41.23 | dondelelcaro | J_P: the server chooses the right driver by itself, and no listing of drivers is needed. If you think it's chosen the wrong one, check your X log, and if it is using the wrong one, set your xorg.conf correctly. |
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| 19:42.03 | Sam1337 | I've heard that filling up an ext3 partition very full can fragment the file system, would the reserved space prevent the filesystem from filling up to much and avoid fragmentation? |
| 19:42.45 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: not really |
| 19:43.16 | infernix | i use xfs mostly |
| 19:43.23 | J_P | dondelelcaro: but for change the driver via dialog not work in xorg ? I try the dpkg-reconfigure xorg and Intel Corporation 82852/855GM but not show any dialog.. like as x-window-system understand ? |
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| 19:43.44 | dryrot | if I dd an image of /dev/sda , how large will my image file be ? http://pastie.org/212473 |
| 19:43.49 | dondelelcaro | J_P: that's because the X server knows far more about configuring itself than the configuration scripts do. |
| 19:43.54 | dondelelcaro | dryrot: as big as /dev/sda is. |
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| 19:44.16 | dimir | My SDA is bigger than yours!!!!!!1111 |
| 19:44.18 | dryrot | as big as /dev/sda is, or how much data is on /dev/sda ? |
| 19:44.24 | dondelelcaro | dryrot: as big as /dev/sda is. |
| 19:44.34 | dryrot | well thats no fun |
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| 19:44.36 | ricsch | but you're able to pipe dd to a compression program |
| 19:44.38 | Zequi | hello |
| 19:44.39 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise I would have said "as big as the data on /dev/sda") |
| 19:45.07 | J_P | dondelelcaro: well, but if in xorg.conf don't have any reference do intel driver, so xorg don't are using hardware acceleration, and so choice of xorg was wrong.. right ? |
| 19:45.47 | dondelelcaro | J_P: wrong. |
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| 19:46.07 | infernix | dryrot: pipe it through gzip. e.g. dd if=/dev/sda bs=4k | gzip > /somebackupmountpoint/sda1.gz |
| 19:46.08 | dondelelcaro | J_P: your xorg.conf can be almost completely empty. |
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| 19:46.48 | J_P | dondelelcaro: so, How I can know if xorg are or not usgin hardware acceleration ? |
| 19:46.49 | stew | J_P: if you are using xorg 7.3 (the one in testing/unstable) you do not need to specify a driver in xorg.conf, it will be detected at runtime. /var/log/Xorg.0.log or the output of xdpyinfo or the output of glxinfo are better places to be looking |
| 19:47.03 | ricsch | glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 19:47.19 | J_P | yes, 7.3 |
| 19:47.27 | ricsch | then it should say: direct rendering: Yes |
| 19:47.47 | stew | J_P: i thihnk what you are looking for "glxinfo | grep direct" hoping for "direct rendering: Yes" |
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| 19:50.42 | J_P | stew: in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log show this: "(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so" So xorg are really using hardware acceleration. |
| 19:51.13 | dondelelcaro | J_P: it's really using the intel driver. That doesn't tell you whether it's using XV or GLX or whatever. |
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| 19:51.57 | dondelelcaro | what does apt-cache policy; say? |
| 19:52.00 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 19:52.11 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there a user friendly program available for encrypting files and folders? GUI based is prefered |
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| 19:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: I personally just use gpg, possibly with tar if I need to encrypt a folder. |
| 19:54.12 | J_P | dondelelcaro:  and stew xdpyinfo does not reference do intel driver or xv or glx.. any app to know this ? |
| 19:54.14 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Thanks, checking :) |
| 19:54.20 | Bushmills | Jemt: to take away, or to keep on machine? |
| 19:54.30 | Jemt | Bushmills: To keep on machine |
| 19:54.37 | Jemt | Encrypting a whole partition is okay too |
| 19:54.43 | dondelelcaro | J_P: XVideo |
| 19:54.44 | Bushmills | Jemt: encfs. no gui. just mount. |
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| 19:54.50 | dondelelcaro | J_P: and GLX will appear in its output. |
| 19:54.58 | Bushmills | i.e writing to dir encrypts transparently. |
| 19:54.58 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay, I will look into that as well. Thank you :) |
| 19:55.06 | Jemt | Oh, very nice :) |
| 19:55.14 | Jemt | Bushmills: Will that work with FAT partitions ? |
| 19:55.18 | Bushmills | and reading decrypts ... |
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| 19:55.25 | stew | J_P: "glxinfo | grep direct" (glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package) |
| 19:56.09 | Bushmills | Jemt: not sure. don't know whether files names are 8.3 |
| 19:56.24 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay. I will give it a try :) |
| 19:56.25 | DigitalSith | hey i dont understand the repos in debian, im using the lenny beta 2 right now, how do i add the non-free repo to my source list |
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| 19:56.49 | J_P | stew: "glxinfo | grep direct" show this : "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 19:56.51 | dondelelcaro | DigitalSith: just append non-free to the mirror lines in your sources.list |
| 19:57.17 | DigitalSith | for both binary and source? |
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| 19:57.47 | dondelelcaro | DigitalSith: if you want non-free source packages, yes. |
| 19:57.47 | themill | DigitalSith: you'll also want to add contrib |
| 19:57.47 | DigitalSith | can i add testing that way too |
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| 19:59.29 | DigitalSith | ok i think contri came default, but I saw no non-free or testing although im not sure if I should add testing, I also noticed there is only like 4,000 pkgs, instead of like 25,000 is that because im using the beta? |
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| 20:02.59 | Nyle | svn: PROPFIND of '/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk': 301 Moved (http://svn.debian.org) |
| 20:03.07 | Nyle | whats going on here? |
| 20:03.09 | dondelelcaro | DigitalSith: no, it's probably because you haven't run apt-get update; recently, or similar. |
| 20:03.21 | Nyle | any ideas guys? |
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| 20:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: what's the command that you're using? |
| 20:03.33 | dryrot | can i mount a gzip'd ISO ? |
| 20:03.34 | Nyle | just svn checkout plus the url |
| 20:03.38 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, ^ |
| 20:03.39 | JyZyXEL | how do you tcpdump so that SSH is ignored |
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| 20:03.49 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, svn: PROPFIND of '/viewsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk': 301 Moved (http://svn.debian.org) |
| 20:03.50 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: you're running svn checkout on the viewsvn url, not the svn url. |
| 20:03.52 | Nyle | oops |
| 20:03.58 | Nyle | oh oops |
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| 20:04.14 | Nyle | oh yeh i missed that |
| 20:04.33 | helo | how do i get the .config of the currently installed kernel? |
| 20:04.43 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: not dst port 22 and not src port 22; or similar. |
| 20:05.04 | markybob | helo, it's in /boot/ |
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| 20:05.22 | DigitalSith | dondelelcaro i did the reload on synaptic |
| 20:05.23 | Reedy | Whats the default temp directory? TEMPDIR, TMP, TEMP or something else? Cheers |
| 20:06.02 | freebird_ | you guys, I`ve created a dns server when I try to dig it says that it got answer, but when I try to dig 0.0.0.0 I get an answer as well, |
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| 20:06.10 | freebird_ | what`s up with the dig tool ??? |
| 20:06.12 | dondelelcaro | Reedy: TMPDIR, /tmp if it's not set. |
| 20:06.23 | Reedy | hmm |
| 20:06.25 | J_P | stew: please, look http://pastebin.com/m779777b1 |
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| 20:07.02 | freebird_ | please |
| 20:07.05 | Reedy | echo $TMPDIR |
| 20:07.06 | Reedy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.31 | asg | freebird_: how are you digging? |
| 20:07.41 | Reedy | Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to create temporary file `/tmp/magick-mh1873sa': Permission denied. |
| 20:07.41 | freebird_ | dig my ip, or my local ip |
| 20:07.43 | freebird_ | asg |
| 20:07.46 | DigitalSith | dondelelcaro Im still only getting 1,607 pkgs |
| 20:07.58 | asg | freebird_: did you configure your machine to use your nameserver? /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:08.07 | freebird_ | asg, sure |
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| 20:08.33 | themill | DigitalSith: can you please pastebin your sources.list? |
| 20:08.38 | asg | freebird_: does 'dig @<my-nameserver> www.google.com return something? |
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| 20:09.42 | freebird_ | asg, you mean, dig @myip www.google.com.br |
| 20:09.44 | freebird_ | ?? |
| 20:09.50 | asg | freebird_: yes |
| 20:10.08 | asg | freebird_: where myip is the ip of your nameserver |
| 20:10.29 | freebird_ | asg, ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 20:11.01 | asg | freebird_: then your nameserver is not configured correctly, isn't started, doesn't want to talk to you, or is firewalled off. |
| 20:11.09 | helo | when one installs a linux-source-? package, what configuration is there by default? should i copy /boot/config-? to /usr/src/linux-kernel-?/.config before i make menuconfig to start at my current kernel's configuration? |
| 20:11.11 | freebird_ | asg, what is the google.com for ?? |
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| 20:11.41 | asg | freebird_: to see if it will resolve something. |
| 20:11.57 | dondelelcaro | DigitalSith: and also examine the output of aptitude search '.'|wc -l; |
| 20:11.58 | asg | freebird_: you may want to consult with #dns also |
| 20:12.07 | freebird_ | asg, when I tryed my intern 192.168.1.101 it worked |
| 20:12.35 | sparr | Is there any way for a shell script to say "hey, parent, re-run me with 'source'"? |
| 20:12.48 | asg | freebird_: as in 'dig @mynameserverip -x 192.168.1.101' |
| 20:12.48 | stack | helo: it contains default debian configuration, the one shipped with precompiled kernel images |
| 20:12.48 | infinitycircuit | helo, yes that is fine just copy the config file to .config |
| 20:12.52 | freebird_ | asg, I`ve configured my router to forward por 53 to this machine, bind is up and running |
| 20:12.54 | JyZyXEL | in links2 can't you choose the port? |
| 20:13.00 | infinitycircuit | helo, you might want to make oldconfig to see new options in the kernel |
| 20:13.09 | infernix | sparr: try #bash |
| 20:13.10 | dondelelcaro | sparr: why not just have the script rerun itself? |
| 20:13.26 | asg | freebird_: udp or tcp? |
| 20:13.33 | freebird_ | both |
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| 20:13.36 | freebird_ | asg, both |
| 20:13.43 | freebird_ | asg, is that right ?? |
| 20:13.49 | DigitalSith | not too sure how to do that but ill tell you, deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free , deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free , thats all thats in that file |
| 20:14.03 | sparr | dondelelcaro: how does that help? |
| 20:14.07 | asg | freebird_: well, udp is generally used. tcp is used for zone transfers and queries that are too large to return in a udp packet |
| 20:14.12 | sparr | infernix: they are less than helpful |
| 20:14.33 | freebird_ | asg, so, setting at the router both is ok right ? |
| 20:14.58 | dondelelcaro | sparr: uh... since the script knows that it should be run with another option, why doesn't it just run itself with another option? |
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| 20:14.59 | asg | freebird_: yes though you are probably more secure not accepting tcp traffic (though that's irrelevant here) |
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| 20:15.28 | sparr | dondelelcaro: because that would have no impact on the results |
| 20:15.30 | dondelelcaro | sparr: or do you mean .? That's entirely up to the parent process, and there's nothing that the script can do about it. |
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| 20:15.50 | sparr | sure, i think "." is a shortcut for source in some shells |
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| 20:16.24 | freebird_ | asg, I`m sure my ISP is not blocking port 53, If I do dig @192.168.1.101 www.google.com I get a valid answer, my router is configured to forward port 53 to 192.168.1.101, why in the hell it doesn`t work |
| 20:16.24 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, hey thanks for catching that I copied pasted from the svn.debian.org but i accidentally copied the wrong colum :D |
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| 20:16.44 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, I didn't even notice the url |
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| 20:16.54 | freebird_ | asg, when I try with my real IP, |
| 20:17.00 | Nyle | but at 12-15kb/s its slow |
| 20:17.07 | Nyle | Lag: 12.76 |
| 20:17.10 | asg | freebird_: are you trying that from the same box? |
| 20:17.13 | Nyle | fantastic. |
| 20:17.20 | freebird_ | yeah |
| 20:17.20 | dondelelcaro | sparr: it's actually the other way around; only . is posix. |
| 20:17.22 | basix | i'm trying to install etch on my laptop. i've gotten it to boot off a netboot USB key. i've setup apache on one of my desktop machines. i want to use the desktop machine as a local mirror. how do i do it? |
| 20:17.29 | freebird_ | asg, yeah |
| 20:17.38 | sparr | dondelelcaro: good to know. but moot, as applies to my question. |
| 20:18.06 | Nyle | !ping |
| 20:18.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:18.28 | asg | freebird_: test it from a machine that is outside of your LAN. Also, bind should be setup to only return authoritative data for its zones. |
| 20:18.29 | dondelelcaro | sparr: but in any event, checking FUNCNAME will tell you. |
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| 20:18.51 | svref | oes anyone know of a way to edit .avi files (or .mpg, or .what-have-you) under Linux? I'm talking splicing, overlaying audio, etc.? |
| 20:18.57 | DigitalSith | themill deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free , deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free , thats all thats in that file |
| 20:19.05 | freebird_ | asg, I`ll ask someone |
| 20:19.36 | themill | DigitalSith: you have no mirror in there, only security updates. |
| 20:20.02 | basix | anybody? |
| 20:20.04 | themill | DigitalSith: you need something like this too: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:20.11 | themill | DigitalSith: gah |
| 20:20.13 | Nyle | A pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/tarballs |
| 20:20.22 | Nyle | still sittin here... twiddlin thumba |
| 20:20.46 | themill | DigitalSith: you need something like this too: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:21.16 | helo | anyone know what happened to CONFIG_RAMFS? |
| 20:21.25 | DigitalSith | oh ok thank you thank you |
| 20:21.37 | svref | svref: http://www.linux.com/feature/60624 |
| 20:22.05 | freebird_ | asg, I`ll paste my configuration from 1 simple zone, it`s not much at all, do you mind ginving a look ?? it use to work, but it wont anymore |
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| 20:23.02 | asg | freebird_: I'd check with #dns, I need to leave shortly (or pastebin it here and have someone else look) |
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| 20:23.56 | basix | i'm trying to install etch on my laptop. i've gotten it to boot off a netboot USB key. i've setup apache on one of my desktop machines. i want to use the desktop machine as a local mirror. how do i do it? |
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| 20:25.29 | Jemt | Will the 'ati', 'nv' and 'i810' xorg drivers ALWAYS work with graphic cards from ATI, nVidia and Intel ? |
| 20:25.40 | Jemt | Or at least in 99% of the cases |
| 20:26.11 | dante_2core | hello guys - this may sound a little dull, but I can't seem to figure out what my fully qualified domain name is - does it have to do with the ip I have from my provider? if yes, how do I fully set it? |
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| 20:26.41 | wols_ | dante_2core: www.google.com is a FQDN |
| 20:26.44 | dante_2core | Jemt, you'll always manage to screw things up somehow, the only way is to look at the error output thorougly if anything does not work |
| 20:26.56 | helo | if i am compiling my kernel using make-kpkg, and i want to include a 3rd party module, can i install the kernel package, and then use m-a a-i to install the module? |
| 20:26.58 | dante_2core | wols_, but how do I figure out what ... dot com I am at? |
| 20:26.58 | wols_ | !tell basix about apt-mirror |
| 20:27.27 | Jemt | dante_2core: True. But I need something that will work in most cases. Will nv, ati and i810 do that ? |
| 20:27.39 | DigitalSith | themill thanx man that did it, shouldnt that repo have been in there by default? |
| 20:27.43 | dante_2core | Jemt, i'd suppose so, if you don't have any weird display configurations |
| 20:28.02 | wols_ | Jemt: if you don't need 3D, yes |
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| 20:28.06 | dante_2core | Jemt, what are you looking for? default driver settings? or do you want to get pre-informed about hardware to buy? |
| 20:28.13 | Jemt | dante_2core: I have a very simple configuration - no fancy stuff. I usually use VESA with the config, but needs the ati/nv/i810 in order to get higher resolutions |
| 20:28.31 | dante_2core | Jemt, oh then nvm what I said before, it should work pretty well. |
| 20:28.36 | Jemt | wols_: Okay, that sounds great. Acutally I got great 3D with the i810 driver on my Mac Mini |
| 20:29.07 | Jemt | dante_2core: I want to load a driver for X on start up by parsing "lspci | grep VGA" |
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| 20:29.23 | Jemt | dante_2core: Currently I check for Vendor text - ATI, Intel and NVidia |
| 20:29.28 | dante_2core | Jemt, bash script I'd say |
| 20:29.41 | Jemt | dante_2core: It's already made :) |
| 20:29.57 | Jemt | dante_2core: Works on two of my computers, fails on an Acer laptop |
| 20:30.03 | dante_2core | wols_, do you know rightaway where I can figure out my domain, or shall I rather google further? |
| 20:30.06 | basix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.09 | dante_2core | Jemt, why does it fail? |
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| 20:30.12 | Jemt | dante_2core: The Acer display flickers |
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| 20:30.24 | Jemt | dante_2core: No errors recorded in Xorg.0.log |
| 20:30.25 | dante_2core | guess the refresh rate is bad |
| 20:30.31 | wols_ | !tell dante_2core about errors |
| 20:30.33 | Jemt | dante_2core: On a LCD monitor ? |
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| 20:31.09 | dante_2core | wols_, well if you want it specific: I want to use nn, a ncurses client for usenets, which tells me: "hostname=dantehost, You need a fully qualified domain name |
| 20:31.13 | dante_2core | " at startup. |
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| 20:31.51 | Bushmills | dante_2core: host <your_iexternal_p> might tell you |
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| 20:32.04 | dante_2core | Bushmills, thx i'll try that |
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| 20:32.37 | wols_ | dante_2core: you sure it's not the news server domain it wants there? |
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| 20:33.14 | Bushmills | dante_2core: your external ip visible here: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi |
| 20:33.43 | dante_2core | wols_, no, it tells me my hostname is not fully qualified, which is defined in /etc/hostname |
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| 20:33.46 | dante_2core | Bushmills, thx |
| 20:33.54 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 20:35.10 | basix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.24 | Bushmills | dante_2core: just added reverse dns to it .. if your ip has a hostname, it shows on first line |
| 20:36.35 | dante_2core | Bushmills, works now. |
| 20:36.48 | dante_2core | hostname -f returns "unknown host", but hostname alone returns the full name, and nn works. |
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| 20:37.43 | pablo | hi, once debian installed is the package installation-report usefull? |
| 20:37.51 | Bushmills | dante_2core: if hostname alone shows fqdn, your setup has a slight problem |
| 20:37.58 | Jemt | Thanks for the help. Night all :) |
| 20:38.08 | Bushmills | probably order of hostnames in /etc/hosts wrong |
| 20:38.13 | dante_2core | Bushmills, I see. |
| 20:38.58 | markybob | pablo, /usr/share/doc/installation-report/README.Debian |
| 20:38.59 | Bushmills | should be ipaddr hostname.domain hostname in hosts |
| 20:39.06 | dante_2core | oooh |
| 20:39.39 | __ryan__ | (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 <--what is this, there's a bunch of them |
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| 20:39.52 | valdyn | __ryan__: ignore it |
| 20:39.54 | pablo | markybob: there is no readme there |
| 20:39.54 | Bushmills | and /etc/hostname without domain |
| 20:40.04 | __ryan__ | valdyn, okay thanks |
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| 20:40.47 | dante_2core | Bushmills, when doing so, both hostname and hostname -f return the full length thingy |
| 20:41.30 | Bushmills | !hosts |
| 20:41.43 | Bushmills | hm |
| 20:42.38 | Bushmills | dante_2core: also execute hostname name (no domain), not only edit /etc/hostname |
| 20:42.56 | pablo | markybob: ah yes there is sorry |
| 20:43.03 | dante_2core | ok works |
| 20:43.10 | dante_2core | Bushmills, thanks a lot, wols_, you too |
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| 20:43.23 | dante_2core | zomg |
| 20:43.29 | dante_2core | hostname=dantehost, You need a fully qualified domain name |
| 20:43.35 | dante_2core | nn does only hostname and not hostname -f |
| 20:43.36 | dante_2core | -.- |
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| 20:45.52 | tnks__ | due to rediculous things at work, someone asked if there was an efficient way to index a filesystem to tell what was installed during an upgrade outside the package management system. |
| 20:46.27 | tnks__ | I mentioned I could index pretty easily with a combination of find and md5sum. . . but I thought maybe there was a more efficient way. |
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| 20:48.20 | mfolnovich1 | hello, can somebody tell me how can I tell VT (Virtual terminal) to use only one keyboard (I have two keyboards...)? |
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| 20:54.01 | sniper_sniper | Hi ALL, I'm trying to change the password of a list of users defined in a text file as you can see in the link http://pastebin.com/m7973aadd |
| 20:54.10 | tclineks | anyone know how to get colored output to work with `watch` ? |
| 20:54.29 | sniper_sniper | butI'm getting the error:passwd: unrecognized option '--stdin' |
| 20:54.36 | sniper_sniper | how can i work around? |
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| 20:54.49 | freebird_ | please you guys, why the zone name `dominio.casa` wont resolv ?? http://pastebin.com/m1d35a659 |
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| 20:55.23 | dondelelcaro | sniper_sniper: you want chpasswd |
| 20:55.31 | n3kl | How can I find out which user is logged into X? |
| 20:55.33 | Nyle | finally pkg-fglrx from trunk is done downloading |
| 20:55.41 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: w |
| 20:56.01 | dondelelcaro | (who would also tell you) |
| 20:56.02 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: w shows 0 users logged in |
| 20:56.04 | sniper_sniper | dondelelcaro, I have a lot of users and i need to do that using a script and not manually using passwd commans |
| 20:56.13 | dondelelcaro | sniper_sniper: again, chpasswd. |
| 20:56.33 | dondelelcaro | you could try at least looking at what people suggest before dismissing it. |
| 20:56.43 | sniper_sniper | dondelelcaro, this means that it's the equivalent of stdin? |
| 20:56.44 | \amethyst | freebird_: does dominio.casa.casa resolve? |
| 20:56.56 | freebird_ | \amethyst, 1 sec, I`ll try |
| 20:57.06 | dondelelcaro | sniper_sniper: no, it means that it's what you're actually looking for. Inventing options for passwd that don't exist isn't useful. |
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| 20:57.46 | buntfalke | !tell opinions |
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| 20:58.32 | themill | sniper_sniper: you don't want to use `more userlist.txt` btw, `cat userlist.txt` is more likely to work out for you. |
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| 20:59.20 | sniper_sniper | themill, tHE ERROR IS ON STDIN |
| 20:59.27 | \amethyst | freebird_: hrm, or maybe debian.dominio.casa.dominio.casa . I'm wondering if the problem is the missing dots in the SOA for dominio.casa |
| 20:59.28 | freebird_ | \amethyst, no man, neither with my static ip or local lan ip |
| 20:59.38 | n3kl | what is a good command line mixer? |
| 21:00.03 | freebird_ | \amethyst, I`ll try those, 1 sec, |
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| 21:00.46 | \amethyst | freebird_: do any error messages appear in /var/log/daemon.log when you start bind? |
| 21:00.49 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: alsamixer and aumix are my favorite |
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| 21:01.05 | sohmestra | what package contains the gnome cups admin utility? |
| 21:01.16 | themill | sniper_sniper: so don't make up options to passwd. There's a --password option to useradd you could use. |
| 21:01.39 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: ah, aumix was the one that I had used in the past. Thanks |
| 21:01.55 | dondelelcaro | sohmestra: apt-cache search gnome cups; is your friend. |
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| 21:02.27 | helo | anyone have a livecd that include mdadm and reiserfs support? |
| 21:02.30 | freebird_ | \amethyst, only dhcp messages |
| 21:03.12 | dondelelcaro | helo: unless you want a rescue cd, you probably don't want to use reiserfs. |
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| 21:03.40 | sohmestra | dondelelcaro: err, no it isnt? been there done that. |
| 21:04.09 | __ryan__ | which rc file can i change debian from starting graphical |
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| 21:04.49 | Nyle | question: ~/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/ has orig.tar.gz in tarballs, while the patches are in trunk, is it right to launch svn-buildpackge inside the ./trunk subdir? |
| 21:05.14 | Nyle | im not upto speed on svn :( |
| 21:05.15 | dondelelcaro | sohmestra: if you have done it, and are running a recent version of debian, you'd see gnome-cups-manager - CUPS printer admin tool for GNOME |
| 21:05.27 | sniper_sniper | thx themill |
| 21:05.32 | freebird_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.44 | freebird_ | \amethyst, there are dot`s missing ??? |
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| 21:06.53 | Nyle | anyone| |
| 21:06.54 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:07.20 | __ryan__ | Nyle, you might as well answer mine while you wait heh |
| 21:07.29 | helo | what should be put into /etc/shadow to allow passwordless login? |
| 21:07.40 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: yes, you just run svn-buildpackage from the trunk subdir |
| 21:07.44 | Nyle | origDir=/home/stoned/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/tarballs yeh nm i think im good to go |
| 21:07.50 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, yeh i just didn't even try it, my bad |
| 21:07.56 | Nyle | thanks |
| 21:08.16 | Bushmills | sniper_sniper: man chpasswd |
| 21:08.22 | Nyle | __ryan__, whats up |
| 21:08.30 | Nyle | __ryan__, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:08.32 | themill | sniper_sniper: or just use chpasswd as you've been told I don't know how many times now. |
| 21:08.36 | __ryan__ | k |
| 21:08.40 | Nyle | I think thats what you want |
| 21:09.00 | Nyle | you want to prevent debian from booting into X right? |
| 21:09.13 | sohmestra | dondelelcaro: I'm running lenny, just updated my packages list, and did as you said. However, I've not seen gnome-cups-manager. Now that you say it, I remember that is the package name, but it's definitely not in the list of packages I'm seeing. |
| 21:09.15 | Nyle | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: docbook-xsl (>= 1.70.1) |
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| 21:09.19 | Nyle | mother fucker. |
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| 21:09.27 | Nyle | its always some little minor annoyance :( |
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| 21:09.34 | __ryan__ | pretty much, was gonna try that, then eventually get it to boot into fluxbox instread of gnome |
| 21:09.35 | Nyle | alright, time to take a breather... |
| 21:09.41 | Sargun | etch is unstable, right? |
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| 21:09.52 | Nyle | !tell Sargun -about releases |
| 21:09.54 | Bushmills | Sargun: no |
| 21:10.12 | dondelelcaro | sohmestra: then it may have been removed from lenny; that happens if packages have rc bugs which have not been fixed. |
| 21:10.13 | Bushmills | never was |
| 21:10.25 | themill | Nyle: apt-get build-dep ... |
| 21:10.32 | Nyle | themill, yeh i know :) |
| 21:10.33 | freebird_ | could someone please help me why I can`t get my zone casa.dominio to get resolved ?? http://pastebin.com/m1d35a659 |
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| 21:10.55 | sohmestra | dondelelcaro: yeah, that seems to be the case. thanks for the help, anyway. |
| 21:10.55 | Nyle | themill, apt-get build-dep fglrx-driver actually missed docbook bullshit |
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| 21:11.09 | Nyle | i think i might have a version problem because docbook xml is installed |
| 21:11.19 | Nyle | er.. xsl |
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| 21:11.31 | __ryan__ | so to get it to run fluxbox i just remove all the dm packages except for xdm and edit my .xinitrc right? |
| 21:11.38 | pozic | Are there any laws against spamming in Europe which enable one to sue some company very easily? |
| 21:11.39 | Nyle | oh nm i twasn'nt installed |
| 21:11.42 | Nyle | w/e |
| 21:11.50 | dondelelcaro | pozic: we wouldn't know; best to talk to a lawyer. |
| 21:12.07 | Nyle | lol |
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| 21:12.57 | V4Nelle | guys why aptitude full-upgrade don't install files which update manager want to install? |
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| 21:13.09 | infinitycircuit | __ryan__, xdm uses .xsession, not .xinitrc |
| 21:13.12 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: uh... this is #debian, not #ubuntu. |
| 21:13.34 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I seem to recall that there is a penalty for X euro/message, but I don't plan to spend Y >> number of messages * X euro on a lawyer. It is off-topic here, but maybe there is another channel somewhere? |
| 21:13.38 | infinitycircuit | V4Nelle, because aptitude uses a different dependency resolution mechanism than whatever bad gui you are using |
| 21:14.01 | __ryan__ | infinitycircuit, okay thanks |
| 21:14.03 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, svn contained fglrx-kernel-module and there aren't any sources in there but just a debian/* (do I need to build that too for fglrx) |
| 21:14.08 | Nyle | maybe you know... |
| 21:14.50 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: oh, that may be one of the cases where they don't modify anything but the debian directory |
| 21:14.51 | __ryan__ | does fluxbox use xdm? |
| 21:15.01 | dondelelcaro | __ryan__: fluxbox can be run from xdm, as can any WM. |
| 21:15.04 | valdyn | pozic: thats hardly a new idea, to sew spammers, which is why you won't easily "find" one |
| 21:15.08 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, which would be why? |
| 21:15.20 | valdyn | s/sew/sue/ |
| 21:15.38 | pozic | valdyn: an easily identifiable company is sending me spam. |
| 21:15.42 | dondelelcaro | pozic: I don't know what channel would be best on this network; my best advice is to talk to a lawyer or a free legal advice group in the jurisdiction in which you plan on suing or one of the many anti-spam groups. |
| 21:15.43 | __ryan__ | ah so i can just change my default-display-manager to /usr/bin/xdm and edit .xsession ? |
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| 21:16.08 | dondelelcaro | __ryan__: you should be able to, yes. |
| 21:16.10 | pozic | valdyn: but perhaps via some less legal method, yes. |
| 21:16.20 | valdyn | pozic: is it? or did you not really set or leave the "Yes i want this newsletter" cross where they wanted it? |
| 21:16.29 | __ryan__ | dondelelcaro, ok thanks i'll give it a try, gnome is making me sick |
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| 21:16.54 | pozic | valdyn: I already unsubscribed, while I never subscribed, although I know where they got my address. |
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| 21:17.54 | valdyn | pozic: nothing you can do then - except charge for damages, and thats a ridiculously small amount at most |
| 21:18.00 | Nyle | ...e/stoned/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/build-area ... beautiful... fglrx packages are done buildling |
| 21:18.08 | Nyle | lets find out if it now builds on .25 kernel |
| 21:18.12 | Nyle | crosses fingers |
| 21:18.29 | __ryan__ | brb |
| 21:19.19 | pozic | valdyn: ? After I unsubscribed, they kept sending. The law should be fixed if that's allowed. |
| 21:19.23 | Nyle | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:19.23 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 21:20.01 | valdyn | pozic: umm, this being disallowed does not make the damager they did to you any big |
| 21:20.38 | pozic | valdyn: a fine of $1000 or more per message send will do just fine. |
| 21:20.39 | valdyn | pozic: worst you could do is to make they business practises public |
| 21:20.51 | Nyle | Setting up fglrx-kernel-2.6.25-2-686 (1:8-5-2+2.6.25-4) ... |
| 21:20.55 | Nyle | beauti fucking full |
| 21:20.59 | Nyle | goddamit thats what imtalking about |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | pozic: and unproportional |
| 21:21.08 | pozic | valdyn: right, that's why the law should be changed. Just like polluting the street in some countries will give you jail time. |
| 21:21.08 | Nyle | word to the fglrx guys for debian, big up yourselves |
| 21:21.19 | valdyn | pozic: not in europe |
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| 21:22.27 | \amethyst | pozic: so if you set up a mailing list and someone tries and fails to unsubscribe, you should go to jail? |
| 21:23.11 | pozic | \amethyst: if their server says "you are now unsubscribed" and they send another mail, they should pay a substantial amount, yes. |
| 21:23.17 | icenine | damn.. these people have called me like 100 times, every day at 3 and I didn't even sign up for their mailing list. I asked them to remove me every time, at least 20+ times. |
| 21:23.33 | \amethyst | pozic: is this a company with which you have had a business relationship? |
| 21:23.40 | icenine | finally a more mature representative called and she actually took me off the list |
| 21:23.52 | valdyn | i dont even go to jail for repeated speeding in my card, and thats far worse |
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| 21:24.11 | valdyn | ooo, s/card/car/ |
| 21:24.14 | pozic | \amethyst: it's not a "business relationship", imho, but I once gave some data to them. |
| 21:24.18 | valdyn | but uh, im being offtopic |
| 21:24.22 | icenine | valdyn: is a certain amount over the speed limit a criminal offense? |
| 21:24.29 | valdyn | icenine: yea |
| 21:24.32 | Nyle | yes |
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| 21:24.45 | valdyn | icenine: moderate speeding - outragous speeding can get you to jail i suppose |
| 21:24.45 | Nyle | you mean AA |
| 21:24.53 | Nyle | alcoholics anon. |
| 21:24.53 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 21:25.03 | icenine | yeah...a few of those have gone by me. |
| 21:25.07 | tyler | hello, im attemptign to setup a gameserver and it needs to bind to port 7777, however its unable to ... "Dedicated server can't listen: Sockets: binding to port 7777 failed (-1220693184)" ... this is a very fresh new server running debian etch 4.0 (stable), im thinking it may be selinux, any suggestions? |
| 21:25.08 | icenine | pissed me off big time. |
| 21:25.27 | Nyle | my first few weeks in nyc, parking tickets out the wazoo |
| 21:25.27 | icenine | try it as root |
| 21:25.46 | icenine | I have 7 parking tickets right now. |
| 21:25.47 | icenine | Unpaid. |
| 21:25.54 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:26.33 | icenine | that doesn't include the out of state one that has been handed to a collections agency. i didn't know they could do that |
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| 21:26.48 | Nyle | i build radeonhd from git and its horribly bogus |
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| 21:27.00 | Nyle | give it a few more months to a year, until then im stickin with fglrx |
| 21:27.05 | icenine | ah man |
| 21:27.10 | icenine | I need a new video card. |
| 21:27.12 | tyler | can someone offer some help? heh |
| 21:27.18 | Nyle | don't buy ati |
| 21:27.22 | Nyle | try get intel onboard |
| 21:27.23 | pozic | !tell tyler about ask |
| 21:27.31 | \amethyst | when's intel going to start making graphics cards? |
| 21:27.35 | tyler | pozic: i did ask :) |
| 21:27.42 | tyler | and i have investigated the problem as well before whining in here |
| 21:27.44 | amphi | !praise Nyle |
| 21:27.44 | dpkg | kneels before Nyle. "Can I have your baby, Nyle?" |
| 21:27.55 | Nyle | damn. |
| 21:28.02 | Nyle | heh kinky |
| 21:28.03 | pozic | !tell tyler about beg |
| 21:28.06 | icenine | tyler: the point is don't ask to ask your question. |
| 21:28.14 | tyler | i didnt do that either |
| 21:28.15 | tyler | ... |
| 21:28.17 | icenine | yes you did |
| 21:28.18 | tyler | [06/10/2008 - 17:25:09] <tyler> hello, im attemptign to setup a gameserver and it needs to bind to port 7777, however its unable to ... "Dedicated server can't listen: Sockets: binding to port 7777 failed (-1220693184)" ... this is a very fresh new server running debian etch 4.0 (stable), im thinking it may be selinux, any suggestions? |
| 21:28.22 | tyler | bim u dudbt' |
| 21:28.22 | icenine | 17:24 < tyler> can someone offer some help? heh |
| 21:28.24 | tyler | no, i didnt* |
| 21:28.29 | Nyle | stop guys. |
| 21:28.31 | tyler | yes ... because nobody responded |
| 21:28.32 | tyler | jesus |
| 21:28.33 | icenine | tyler: did you try it as root? |
| 21:28.37 | tyler | no |
| 21:28.41 | icenine | try it as root |
| 21:28.41 | tyler | i dont run random servers as root |
| 21:28.48 | icenine | tyler: just as a test, doof |
| 21:28.49 | pozic | tyler: nobody is required to answer. Remember that. |
| 21:28.51 | valdyn | tyler: you dont need to run this as root |
| 21:28.56 | tyler | ty valdyn |
| 21:29.03 | tyler | thats how you get your box ... r00ted |
| 21:29.08 | valdyn | tyler: but debian doesnt enable selinux by default either |
| 21:29.09 | icenine | valdyn: but is it not a good test? |
| 21:29.13 | tyler | running as root = major security flaw |
| 21:29.18 | tyler | valdyn: thats what i was wanting to find out :) |
| 21:29.24 | icenine | someone is going to root you in the two seconds it takes to try running the server as root. |
| 21:29.30 | icenine | that's how many hax0rs there are on your internets |
| 21:29.31 | pozic | Running a game-server amounts to a major security flaw too. |
| 21:29.32 | tyler | precisely heh |
| 21:29.42 | tyler | pozic: so lets go ahead and make it easier for them!! |
| 21:29.44 | valdyn | icenine: what is not a good test? |
| 21:29.46 | \amethyst | icenine: what if the server is a trojan? |
| 21:29.47 | icenine | tyler: fuser -n tcp 7777 |
| 21:29.53 | icenine | Yvonne: is there something else on 7777 |
| 21:29.58 | tyler | sec |
| 21:30.02 | icenine | s/Yvonne/tyler/ |
| 21:30.05 | tyler | liek i said its fresh so there *shouldnt* be |
| 21:30.13 | tyler | and id ont use it otherwise for my personal stuff |
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| 21:30.25 | n3kl | anyone know if you can unmute with aumix? |
| 21:30.27 | icenine | \amethyst: if he runs a trojan it's his own fault. he should know what software he is using. |
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| 21:30.29 | tyler | just blank |
| 21:30.35 | tyler | it goes back to the prompt after "fuser -n tcp 7777" |
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| 21:30.39 | icenine | tyler: can you try changing to a different port? |
| 21:30.41 | Nyle | !info keytouch |
| 21:30.43 | wols_ | tyler: netstat -anp |grep 7777 |
| 21:30.50 | valdyn | tyler: you need to run that command as root |
| 21:30.54 | tyler | yeah i did |
| 21:31.05 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure extra function keys in multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 21:31.06 | pozic | Isn't that return value a bit werid? |
| 21:31.07 | tyler | netstat returns to prompt as well |
| 21:31.09 | icenine | tyler: try the server on a different port? |
| 21:31.13 | tyler | yep 2m |
| 21:31.14 | tyler | 1m* |
| 21:31.14 | Nyle | oh its already in sid |
| 21:31.16 | Nyle | no shit |
| 21:31.19 | Nyle | word. |
| 21:31.28 | pozic | "-1220693184" |
| 21:31.30 | amphi | n3kl: er, 'm' ? ;) |
| 21:31.46 | Nyle | amphi, how come you made dpkg love me for baby? |
| 21:32.07 | amphi | Nyle: you suggested intel video ;) |
| 21:32.10 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:32.12 | Nyle | heh word |
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| 21:32.14 | icenine | !tell icenine about help |
| 21:32.19 | Nyle | !selftell |
| 21:32.19 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 21:32.25 | n3kl | amphi: aumix -v m will mute it,but it willnot unmute it |
| 21:32.52 | amphi | n3kl: oh, you meant non-interactively? |
| 21:32.55 | n3kl | right |
| 21:33.04 | n3kl | I am now trying setmixer, and I am running into the same thing |
| 21:33.13 | tyler | ah |
| 21:33.19 | tyler | maybe i shouldve taken a look first |
| 21:33.32 | tyler | feel stupid abuot it but said friend had it set to bind to the old ip ;) |
| 21:33.33 | amphi | n3kl: aumix -v u looks like, from TFM |
| 21:33.38 | amphi | n3kl: why not use amixer? |
| 21:33.44 | tyler | what i was doing was moving various servers from one box to the other |
| 21:33.51 | tyler | hence why that happened |
| 21:33.55 | tyler | ill have to slap him |
| 21:33.56 | tyler | thanks :) |
| 21:33.56 | n3kl | amphi: I don't have that package available |
| 21:34.16 | n3kl | amphi: aumix -v u does not unmute it either |
| 21:34.21 | icenine | !rot13 Whateva |
| 21:34.21 | dpkg | Jungrin |
| 21:34.43 | amphi | n3kl: it's in alsa-utils |
| 21:34.57 | n3kl | amphi: Ahhh |
| 21:35.00 | \amethyst | n3kl: try /usr/bin/mute |
| 21:35.10 | Nyle | great |
| 21:35.13 | Nyle | im out of listerine |
| 21:35.27 | Nyle | ahhhhh boy *sigh* |
| 21:35.28 | n3kl | \amethyst: nice |
| 21:35.33 | amphi | Nyle: for your cocktails? you can use aftershave... |
| 21:35.36 | \amethyst | n3kl: it comes with aumix, and stores the current settings in ~/.aumixrc so it can unmute |
| 21:35.42 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:35.50 | amphi | denim & coke |
| 21:36.05 | n3kl | amphi: \amethyst: Thanks! |
| 21:36.10 | Nyle | nah |
| 21:36.18 | Nyle | likes vodka and juices |
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| 21:37.36 | amphi | gotta have the amontillado for your bloody marys |
| 21:38.21 | Nyle | no actually v8 works perfectly |
| 21:38.27 | Nyle | AND its healthy, v8 + vodka |
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| 21:38.48 | amphi | for the love of god, Montresor! |
| 21:38.55 | \amethyst | amphi: beat me to it, dammit |
| 21:39.02 | amphi | heh |
| 21:39.10 | \amethyst | Yes, my dear amphi, for the love of God. |
| 21:39.19 | amphi | requiescat in pace |
| 21:39.32 | \amethyst | nemo me impune lacessit |
| 21:39.46 | n3kl | Why does `w` not display any users logged in? |
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| 21:40.56 | pozic | Why do I need to be root to run tracert? I used to be able to call traceroute as user in an older version. |
| 21:41.34 | wols_ | tracert? |
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| 21:42.01 | wols_ | pozic: you can still be normal user. but: use mtr |
| 21:42.52 | stew | pozic: you should be able to use traceroute as user for normal UDP tracerouting but you'd need to be root for ICMP (since ICMP requires raw sockets) |
| 21:43.55 | pozic | wols_: tracert, yes. I just found that program on my system, and I don't have traceroute anymore, only traceroute6. |
| 21:44.15 | Nyle | tracert? |
| 21:44.21 | Nyle | windows? |
| 21:44.43 | Nyle | yup its windows, they rename it to tracert |
| 21:44.52 | pozic | Nyle: ? |
| 21:45.11 | Nyle | nm |
| 21:46.36 | n3kl | What is the offset mean with setting system time with ntpdate? |
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| 21:47.09 | Nyle | time diff it takes the packet to get here? |
| 21:47.14 | Nyle | just a guess... |
| 21:47.44 | __ryan__ | i think you're right |
| 21:48.02 | Nyle | http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/HowToCalibrateSystemClockUsingNTP |
| 21:49.06 | freebird_ | you guys, please, why can`t I resolve 1 single zone here in my internal lan ?? here are the conf files from bind, http://pastebin.com/m1d35a659 I`m going nuts already |
| 21:50.26 | pozic | wols_: I installed the mrt package, but I didn't get an mrt binary, nor could I find another useful binary in that package. |
| 21:50.30 | Nyle | freebird_, take a deep breath |
| 21:50.44 | freebird_ | Nyle, done, lol |
| 21:50.54 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:50.55 | wols_ | pozic: I didn't say anything about some "mrt" |
| 21:51.07 | pozic | wols_: oops |
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| 21:51.09 | pozic | wols_: sorry. |
| 21:51.28 | freebird_ | Nyle, what`s wrong ?? when I connect thru telnet of port 53, it goes ok |
| 21:51.36 | freebird_ | Nyle, but can`t resolv dominio.casa |
| 21:51.41 | Nyle | i've no idea, I dunno nothing bout computers really' |
| 21:51.51 | freebird_ | Nyle, ??? |
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| 21:52.37 | freebird_ | please, someone could check my conf files and help me with what`s wrong ?? please |
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| 21:53.35 | freebird_ | you can check the conf files at: http://pastebin.com/m1d35a659 |
| 21:53.45 | deadcat | anyone uses moto4lin? it works fine on my x86, but not on the ppc |
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| 21:56.52 | helo | i just realized i copied a 2.6.22 kernel config into 2.6.24 tree and built without making oldconfig... it seems to work... :/ |
| 21:57.06 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 21:57.14 | wols_ | it often does if changes aren't too big |
| 21:57.22 | wols_ | all you probably miss are a few drivers |
| 21:57.57 | infinitycircuit | thinks he told helo to use 'make oldconfig' 30 minutes ago in this channel... :) |
| 21:58.29 | wols_ | since when do people listen? |
| 21:58.30 | Nyle | __ryan__, remember kt? |
| 21:58.57 | __ryan__ | of course |
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| 21:59.48 | Nyle | wwhat about Sigmund? |
| 22:00.01 | __ryan__ | not so much |
| 22:00.04 | Nyle | his new nick is Zynth, hes a badass DJ now, comes to #music you should join |
| 22:00.58 | __ryan__ | i don't get it i have my resolution set to 1280x800 but everything still seems too big lol |
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| 22:01.15 | Nyle | 1280x800 I've never heard of |
| 22:01.21 | n3kl | freebird_: is bind running? |
| 22:01.30 | __ryan__ | laptop.. |
| 22:01.35 | __ryan__ | widescreen |
| 22:01.49 | Nyle | 14"? |
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| 22:02.19 | __ryan__ | yeah |
| 22:02.33 | n3kl | Try xrand to make sure you are actually at the resolution you think you are |
| 22:02.42 | Nyle | xrandr --verbose -q |
| 22:02.54 | Nyle | if you need good details |
| 22:03.01 | Nyle | otherwise -q would suffice |
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| 22:03.18 | Nyle | seems the behavious is changed, no need to do -q anymore either |
| 22:03.18 | __ryan__ | that worked, there's my problem |
| 22:03.29 | __ryan__ | in xorg.conf i only set 1280x800 |
| 22:03.33 | __ryan__ | but it's running at 1024 :/ |
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| 22:03.43 | Nyle | just change it through xrandr |
| 22:03.51 | __ryan__ | shouldn't it have thrown me an error and not started x |
| 22:04.02 | __ryan__ | i removed all the other resolutions |
| 22:04.09 | abrotman | or check the X log and see if there's an error that it says about setting that resolution |
| 22:04.11 | n3kl | __ryan__: lenny? |
| 22:04.15 | __ryan__ | there's not i checked the log |
| 22:04.30 | __ryan__ | etchnhalf n3kl |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | xdpyinfo | grep dimens ? |
| 22:05.01 | dondelelcaro | __ryan__: no; X should start X in every case that it can possibly do so. |
| 22:05.24 | __ryan__ | dondelelcaro, true |
| 22:05.30 | __ryan__ | abrotman, 1024x768 |
| 22:05.42 | freebird_ | n3kl, yeah |
| 22:05.44 | __ryan__ | no wonder it doesn't look right |
| 22:05.46 | abrotman | what's the video card/driver ? |
| 22:06.01 | __ryan__ | intel i945 chipset, i810 driver |
| 22:06.04 | freebird_ | n3kl, a telnet myip 53 works fine, ps aux | grep bind also shows me it`s running |
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| 22:06.14 | abrotman | __ryan__: did you try the 915resolution thingie? |
| 22:06.22 | __ryan__ | never heard of it |
| 22:06.31 | __ryan__ | does dpgk know about it? |
| 22:06.37 | abrotman | it may not support your card in etch |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | !info 915resolution etch |
| 22:07.06 | dpkg | 915resolution: (resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 22:07.22 | __ryan__ | ah is it available through apt? |
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| 22:07.49 | __ryan__ | nvm got it |
| 22:08.07 | n3kl | freebird_: anything in your logs |
| 22:08.13 | Nyle | __ryan__, roxanne? |
| 22:08.25 | __ryan__ | who?? lol |
| 22:09.05 | Nyle | hm you dont' remember? we had hooked up... nm im gonna go drin water |
| 22:09.06 | garotosopa | How do I prevent Apache from getting back to /etc/rc3.d when the package is upgraded? |
| 22:09.31 | Nyle | __ryan__, man that was sooo long ago damn.. 2000 |
| 22:09.33 | Nyle | hah |
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| 22:09.41 | stew | garotosopa: instead of removing the Sxxapache link, rename it to Kxxapache instead |
| 22:09.43 | __ryan__ | so i installed 915resolution it said it patched a bunch of modes |
| 22:09.47 | __ryan__ | do i just restart x? |
| 22:09.48 | Nyle | anyway. |
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| 22:10.01 | garotosopa | stew, thanks. |
| 22:10.03 | n3kl | freebird_: can you resolve *anything* or just not your domain? |
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| 22:10.53 | abrotman | __ryan__: i'm sure it has documentation |
| 22:11.20 | __ryan__ | indeed it does |
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| 22:11.37 | freebird_ | n3kl, I`ll show you /var/log/daemon.log, looks all fine, can`t resolv nothing |
| 22:12.19 | freebird_ | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/m13518f2 |
| 22:12.19 | Osoi | I have a server thats slow, so I entered "top", to see the load average. Its 14, so I figure there is some insane load on the box. On the other hand the CPU usage is 0.1%.... How do I figure out whats causing the load? |
| 22:12.57 | nevyn | Osoi: cpu idle is 99%? |
| 22:12.58 | freebird_ | n3kl, it looks all fine man, it`s loading, than I set my nameserver to myip, and when I try to ping dominio.casa it doesn`t ping |
| 22:13.14 | Osoi | Cpu(s): 0.1% us, 0.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.9% id, |
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| 22:13.23 | Osoi | @ nevyn |
| 22:13.25 | ravenbird | [nevyn] a sid user |
| 22:13.29 | nevyn | hrm |
| 22:13.54 | nevyn | what's free say? |
| 22:13.55 | Osoi | Both the webserver and the ftp server are unreachable, but the ssh works fine |
| 22:13.55 | Nyle | wjat |
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| 22:14.16 | __ryan__ | brb |
| 22:14.17 | Osoi | Mem: 2859752 287664 2572088 |
| 22:14.23 | Osoi | total-used-free |
| 22:14.23 | n3kl | freebird_: in your named.conf you will want to put recursion yes; fo rnow. YOu can refine it with an acl later, just make sure that port 53 udp and tcp are not available from the internet |
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| 22:15.08 | n3kl | freebird_: increment your serials everytime you change the files |
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| 22:15.35 | __ryan__ | all i had to do was restart x |
| 22:15.39 | __ryan__ | worked perfect thanks guys again |
| 22:15.49 | __ryan__ | 1280x800 looks alot nicer lol |
| 22:15.58 | n3kl | freebird_: you need a dot at the end of your soa and your contact |
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| 22:16.16 | n3kl | freebird_: you have a c at the end of line 113 for no reason |
| 22:16.24 | freebird_ | n3kl, but I can`t see where to set the recursion for rnow at named.conf ??? |
| 22:17.02 | n3kl | freebird_: just put recursion yes; in there somewhere and restart bind |
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| 22:17.23 | n3kl | its prolly the dots at the end of your soa and the admin contact that is throwing off your domain |
| 22:17.54 | ProNoob | uhm, how do i check keys against that badlist ? |
| 22:18.06 | n3kl | freebird_: is this a public server or your internal server? |
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| 22:18.25 | abrotman | ProNoob: /topic should have hte info |
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| 22:18.35 | yaaar | word |
| 22:19.13 | freebird_ | n3kl, I`ve a router, at the router i`m forwarding port 53 to this machine that is the dns server, I`m using a static ip, my ISP doesn`t block any ports |
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| 22:19.53 | n3kl | freebird_: have it your way, but why are use publishing 53? YOu going to open an isp or something? |
| 22:20.18 | freebird_ | n3kl, @ IN SOA debian.dominio.casa. root.debian.dominio.casa. ( -> is that how it`s suppose to be ?? |
| 22:20.25 | n3kl | good |
| 22:20.35 | abrotman | there is a #dns and #bind |
| 22:20.36 | freebird_ | n3kl, I`m going to create a webserver |
| 22:20.37 | n3kl | there is s space in there, right? |
| 22:20.56 | freebird_ | n3kl, after casa. ?? |
| 22:20.58 | freebird_ | yeah |
| 22:21.21 | n3kl | freebird_: you don't want to open port 53. I am telling you, just don't |
| 22:21.46 | n3kl | How are you thinking that a webserver needs port 53 open? |
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| 22:21.53 | freebird_ | n3kl, you mean, forward the port 53 ? |
| 22:21.58 | n3kl | yeah |
| 22:22.26 | freebird_ | n3kl, well, people will need to access my server to resolve some domains man |
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| 22:22.56 | dondelelcaro | then you need udp 53 open, and should probably have tcp 53 open as well. |
| 22:23.02 | loufoque | anyone knows if there is some way to broadcast whatever appears on the screen as a video rtsp stream? |
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| 22:23.05 | moldy | hi |
| 22:23.07 | dondelelcaro | (though you can often run an external dns server.) |
| 22:23.13 | moldy | /var/lib/python-support is empty |
| 22:23.16 | moldy | i have apps that are broken because they are looking for files there |
| 22:23.16 | abrotman | loufoque: you can record it .. not sure about streaming it |
| 22:23.20 | moldy | how do i fix this correctly? |
| 22:23.45 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: people are going to use their local dns server. Unless he has dns records in tlds, nobody is going to use him as the ns |
| 22:24.19 | abrotman | moldy: which version of debian ? |
| 22:24.58 | yaaar | is it normal for '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to not bring up eth0 if it's configured statically? It brings it down if it's up, but doesn't bring it back and I have to do 'ifup eth0' ...it used to do both up/down when it was dhcp configured. it's happening on two machines, one i reconfigued for static manually and the other i used the etch installer to configure static |
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| 22:25.24 | Nyle | yaaar, yes |
| 22:25.34 | Nyle | it is known and I still haven't filed a bug yet |
| 22:25.43 | Nyle | I tested this on two machines and that is the case |
| 22:26.04 | moldy | abrotman: 4.0 |
| 22:26.05 | abrotman | yaaar: is there an auto eth0 line ? |
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| 22:26.33 | yaaar | abrotman: |
| 22:26.35 | yaaar | no |
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| 22:26.45 | yaaar | (woops...sorry for the return in there) |
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| 22:27.05 | abrotman | yaaar: if there's no auto eth0 line .. it won't come up |
| 22:27.07 | abrotman | on a restart |
| 22:27.16 | yaaar | word. thanks |
| 22:27.35 | yaaar | can i do that on the same line as my 'auto lo' ? like 'auto lo eth0' ?? |
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| 22:27.56 | abrotman | different line i believe |
| 22:28.01 | yaaar | k |
| 22:28.04 | moldy | abrotman: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/python-support.pth is a symlink to a non-existant file |
| 22:28.17 | moldy | abrotman: /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/.path |
| 22:28.40 | abrotman | moldy: use apt-file to search for what should be there .. like `apt-file search var/lib/python-support` |
| 22:29.07 | yaaar | abrotman: that worked great. thanks |
| 22:29.26 | moldy | abrotman: no output. |
| 22:29.40 | Nyle | I have an auto eth0 |
| 22:29.47 | abrotman | moldy: have you been mixing versions of debian and/or using unofficial packages? |
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| 22:30.05 | moldy | abrotman: not consciously. |
| 22:30.09 | Nyle | it brings it up not |
| 22:30.20 | JyZyXEL | anyone have squid+privoxy+tor chain? |
| 22:30.21 | Nyle | on sid and its fine on my etch server |
| 22:30.40 | moldy | abrotman: it's a fresh root server. my hoster *might* have done some stuff on its own, but i doubt that he would mangle with debian's python installation... |
| 22:31.15 | abrotman | moldy: dpkg -S var/lib/python-support |
| 22:31.16 | ih2oi | Nyle, Maybe you know about this... I have a NTSF partition for storing files and large things I don't really use. |
| 22:31.34 | ih2oi | Nyle: but I can't seem to access it from my linux (only windows) |
| 22:31.35 | abrotman | Not Truly Safe Filesystem |
| 22:31.38 | tnks__ | what algorithm is used to determine order of the output of a find command? |
| 22:31.48 | moldy | abrotman: "not found" |
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| 22:31.56 | Nyle | ih2oi, fdisk -l reports what? |
| 22:31.56 | tnks__ | (just didn't see it in the man page for find) |
| 22:32.11 | Nyle | ih2oi, is it identified as an hpfs volume? |
| 22:32.27 | abrotman | moldy: that directory exists in lenny .. hrm |
| 22:32.35 | Nyle | hpts/ntfs |
| 22:32.38 | abrotman | moldy: did you try reinstalling the packages that have that .pth file ? |
| 22:32.53 | Nyle | ih2oi, if so, you can mount it using the ntfs read driver in the kernel |
| 22:33.00 | moldy | abrotman: the directory exists here, too, but it is empty... |
| 22:33.12 | abrotman | moldy: no .. in lenny that directory has files |
| 22:33.15 | Nyle | !ntfs rw |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 22:33.19 | Nyle | !ntfsro |
| 22:33.19 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 22:33.29 | abrotman | !find var/lib/python-support etch |
| 22:33.30 | moldy | abrotman: hmm. |
| 22:33.56 | Baloo | ntfs == nsfw |
| 22:33.59 | abrotman | !find var/lib/python-support lenny |
| 22:34.03 | Nyle | sid laptop + desktop auto eth0 and /etc/init.d doesn't bring it up... it works fine on etch |
| 22:34.06 | Nyle | what now |
| 22:34.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'var/lib/python-support' (1): (/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/mercurial/templates) in devel/mercurial. |
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| 22:34.20 | Nyle | bug or am i missing something from the interfaces file |
| 22:34.37 | Nyle | does it matter if i also have allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 22:34.47 | Nyle | alongside auto eth0 |
| 22:35.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'var/lib/python-support' (2): (/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/dbus/mainloop/qt.so, /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/mainloop/qt.so) in python/python-qt4-dbus ;; (/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/dbus/mainloop/qt_d.so, /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/mainloop/qt_d.so) in python/python-qt4-dbus-dbg. |
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| 22:35.33 | abrotman | moldy: been using mercurial ? |
| 22:35.42 | moldy | abrotman: no, i don't think so |
| 22:35.54 | moldy | abrotman: i don't even know what that is :) |
| 22:36.04 | abrotman | moldy: that's the only package in debian that uses that path apparently |
| 22:36.17 | moldy | maybe it's a problem with my $PYTHONPATH |
| 22:36.54 | moldy | anyway, thanks for your help... i will investigate it further tomorrow, need to get some sleep. |
| 22:38.31 | ProNoob | hmm, does the tool to check for compromised keys also work on public keys such as these in authorized_keys2 ? |
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| 22:41.02 | BeRaptelan | guys, Debian's grep seems completely broken... |
| 22:41.30 | BeRaptelan | grep --help shows -P, but trying to use -P errors saying it doesn't work, and regex doesn't work with or without -E as it does on other distros.... |
| 22:41.31 | BeRaptelan | why? |
| 22:41.42 | BeRaptelan | and how can I grep out lines starting with one or more tabs and then a # character? |
| 22:41.48 | BeRaptelan | with this broken grep? |
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| 22:42.02 | yaaar | also, i have two servers that are basically identical, and i installed them the same way, but one of them pauses for like 10 seconds or more when i try to ssh in before it asks for a password...the other one is almost instant. anybody know what the deal is? |
| 22:42.19 | BeRaptelan | yaaar: random number generation, most likely. |
| 22:42.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.48 | BeRaptelan | s1:/etc/postgresql/8.1/main# grep -P bob postgresql.conf |
| 22:42.48 | BeRaptelan | grep: The -P option is not supported |
| 22:43.23 | yaaar | BeRaptelan: so the one that's slow has less random seed or something? can i change to urandom someplace to make it not wait? |
| 22:43.26 | abrotman | and the man page says as much |
| 22:43.43 | BeRaptelan | s1:/etc/postgresql/8.2/main# grep -v '^\t*#' postgresql.conf | tail -n 1 | sed -e 's/\t/<tab>/g' |
| 22:43.44 | BeRaptelan | <tab><tab><tab><tab># TEST |
| 22:43.44 | abrotman | yaaar: RDNS issues most likely |
| 22:44.30 | Nyle | i take out the hotplug line and leave auto and it seems to work |
| 22:44.32 | Nyle | wtf is going on |
| 22:44.33 | themill | abrotman: it's actually worse than that... -P is not enabled in debian so "may warn" should be "will die with horrible error". |
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| 22:44.47 | abrotman | themill: right .. but the man page says as much |
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| 22:45.42 | themill | abrotman: no, the man page just says that it *might* not work when the reality is that it *will* not work. The man page shouldn't raise the expectation that it might work when it just won't. |
| 22:46.15 | BeRaptelan | themill: if it's not implemented, then --help shouldn't show that it is. |
| 22:46.21 | abrotman | themill: but it does tell you it may not work .. it's not like you should be surprised |
| 22:46.24 | themill | BeRaptelan: agreed. |
| 22:46.29 | BeRaptelan | --help does not tell you that. |
| 22:46.38 | BeRaptelan | and the text you pasted does not say "not implemented" |
| 22:46.42 | BeRaptelan | anyways, that's not the concern |
| 22:46.44 | BeRaptelan | this is: |
| 22:46.44 | BeRaptelan | s1:/etc/postgresql/8.2/main# grep -v '^\t*#' postgresql.conf | tail -n 1 | sed -e 's/\t/<tab>/g' |
| 22:46.45 | BeRaptelan | <tab><tab><tab><tab># TEST |
| 22:46.45 | *** kick/#debian [BeRaptelan!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 22:47.06 | BeRaptelan | that works on every other distribution I have at my disposal. |
| 22:47.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:47.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:47.16 | BeRaptelan | I didn't, I pasted TWO |
| 22:47.19 | BeRaptelan | I just typed too fast. |
| 22:47.23 | abrotman | or you're lagging |
| 22:47.42 | themill | BeRaptelan: then don't paste at all or don't hit enter so much |
| 22:47.44 | BeRaptelan | anyways, I want to grep out lines starting with tabs and a # character. |
| 22:47.45 | yaaar | abrotman: would the rdns issues be on the server, or at my router/dns server/client/elsewhere? should i bother tracking them down? |
| 22:47.55 | themill | BeRaptelan: there's pcregrep |
| 22:48.06 | BeRaptelan | themill: how about you don't make silly requests? |
| 22:48.17 | BeRaptelan | sheesh. |
| 22:48.37 | themill | BeRaptelan: don't complain when the bot kicks you then. I'm just providing you with the information so you don't get autokicked again. |
| 22:48.40 | abrotman | yaaar: up to you |
| 22:48.44 | themill | gives up |
| 22:48.45 | BeRaptelan | I didn't complain. |
| 22:48.53 | abrotman | yaaar: i think there's an RDNS option in the sshd_config man page |
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| 22:50.18 | stew | BeRaptelan: i'm sorry that you think it is silly that we don't allow people to paste in here, but this channel is to populous and busy for that. i'd suggest you put whatever it is you want us to see into a pastebin and ask your question again |
| 22:50.49 | BeRaptelan | dude, I did not say it's silly that you don't allow paste. |
| 22:50.52 | BeRaptelan | stop harrassing me about it please. |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | waits for the pastebin page |
| 22:51.04 | fiendishfish | Hello, if anyone can help, I'm writing a list of files which should be cleaned if you want to preserve your privacy within your Linux box, and if anyone can think of anything to add to the list tell me: http://rafb.net/p/as0W3c27.html |
| 22:51.09 | ProNoob | do "dowkd.pl" and ssh-vulnkey also work on private keys like in .ssh/authorized_keys2 ? |
| 22:51.14 | BeRaptelan | I pasted two lines, which is acceptable, but I typed too fast, which I understand. I did NOT complain, I rejoined and continued. There's NO reason to go on about it. |
| 22:51.39 | stew | ProNoob: man ssh-vulnkey |
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| 22:52.27 | abrotman | fiendishfish: removing /var/tmp/ and /var/log/ is probably not a great plan |
| 22:52.32 | yaaar | abrotman: hmm...that box also seems much slower to do lookups in general. |
| 22:52.47 | abrotman | firewall issue perhaps |
| 22:52.48 | fiendishfish | abrotman, It doesn't really matter as it all restores after a restart, well not /log |
| 22:53.01 | gustaf1 | the latest xserver-xorg and x11-common packages in deb sid (amd64) is not installable: http://pastebin.com/m5d74fd72 http://pastebin.com/m5a4200be |
| 22:53.04 | _eskimo | bye |
| 22:53.12 | fiendishfish | abrotman, but it's harmless removing logs, can you think of any other files? |
| 22:53.19 | gustaf1 | also, xserver-xorg in 'experimental' is not installable due to all drivers lacking new versionis |
| 22:53.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:53.23 | gustaf1 | versions* |
| 22:53.42 | abrotman | fiendishfish: why not just trash the whole user folder and recreate it at boot ? |
| 22:53.49 | fiendishfish | :/ |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | fiendishfish: i mean .. that seems to be what you're trying to do |
| 22:53.57 | fiendishfish | abrotman, by clearing the logs? |
| 22:53.59 | fiendishfish | Not really. |
| 22:54.04 | abrotman | i meant the $HOME bits |
| 22:54.11 | fiendishfish | recently-used is trashing? |
| 22:54.14 | fiendishfish | bash_history? |
| 22:54.22 | fiendishfish | thumbnails/ |
| 22:54.25 | fiendishfish | Not really. |
| 22:54.34 | fiendishfish | It's just covering tracks. |
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| 22:55.30 | abrotman | fiendishfish: alternately .. drop the $HOME in a cvs ... delete/reget on boot |
| 22:55.31 | Reedy | Is there a way to escape @'s in usersnames for samba? |
| 22:55.42 | abrotman | \? |
| 22:55.49 | Reedy | is it literally that simple? |
| 22:55.51 | fiendishfish | abrotman, ..... How am I even NEARLY trashing the whole $HOME folder |
| 22:55.59 | Reedy | as currently username is username@domain, and then address, making it smb://username@domain@server.domain |
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| 22:56.30 | abrotman | fiendishfish: you're asking how to preserve privacy .. you're bound to miss something with the limited stuff you're deleting |
| 22:56.43 | fiendishfish | abrotman, thus I asked for help. |
| 22:56.47 | fiendishfish | Picking the things. |
| 22:56.50 | fiendishfish | Opposed to your plan. |
| 22:57.01 | abrotman | i tried to help ... |
| 22:57.08 | fiendishfish | Fair enough. |
| 22:57.09 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 22:57.22 | fiendishfish | abrotman, but can you think of anything immediately to delete? |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | fiendishfish: personally .. i have 275 .folders/.files in my $HOME |
| 22:57.46 | fiendishfish | System wide stuff. |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | apparently i need to clean up :) |
| 22:58.00 | fiendishfish | abrotman, do you understand what I'm getting at? |
| 22:58.01 | Reedy | abrotman, doesnt seem to work no :( |
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| 22:58.08 | abrotman | Reedy: ask #samba then |
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| 22:58.16 | abrotman | fiendishfish: i really gave you my answer |
| 22:58.16 | Reedy | was wondering that, cheers |
| 22:58.27 | fiendishfish | abrotman, and I'm asking you if you have another, regarding MY question. |
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| 22:58.58 | abrotman | fiendishfish: you could analyze the directory and see what other files change after using the login |
| 22:58.59 | fiendishfish | I appreciate your answer and all. |
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| 22:59.29 | abrotman | fiendishfish: then you could use that list to clean up appropriately |
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| 22:59.40 | fiendishfish | abrotman, I was just wondering whether you knew any files/folders which are on most Linux boxes which will leave personal viewing habits etc. Such as /thumbnails/ etc |
| 22:59.44 | fiendishfish | Ok, thanks. |
| 23:00.10 | abrotman | fiendishfish: you can use `man find` to see which files were modified |
| 23:00.38 | fiendishfish | Also abrotman someone a while back showed me how to use 'find' with 'wipe' to wipe recursive directories, do you know how I'd do that |
| 23:01.13 | abrotman | xargs ? or -exec option to find i'd guess |
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| 23:02.50 | fiendishfish | Hmm, I vaguely remember him mentioning something about xargs |
| 23:02.55 | fiendishfish | I have no clue how to make it work though :/ |
| 23:03.57 | _Vi | How to make ntfs-3g work with i18n-ed filenames? ntfs-3g support said "Please check the Debian documentation or ask on Debian forums if Debian supports full localization and how to setup/configure it properly." |
| 23:04.24 | _Vi | It says "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character". |
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| 23:07.57 | JohnRobert | how can I find out what program is accessing my hard disk? |
| 23:08.25 | JohnRobert | I have an external usb hdd and it's going mad, and I don't know why |
| 23:09.27 | _Vi | lsof/fuser? |
| 23:09.34 | jelly-home | _Vi: which debian release are you using? does running "locale" report all the settings to have an .UTF-8 extension? |
| 23:10.37 | _Vi | Debian lenny/sid. Yes, they have (except of LC_ALL, which is empty). |
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| 23:11.06 | _Vi | ntfs-3g is started with -o locale=ru_RU.utf8 |
| 23:11.06 | jelly-home | _Vi: kernel version? |
| 23:11.22 | _Vi | 2.6.26-rc4-wl |
| 23:11.38 | _Vi | ntfs-3g 1.2531 integrated FUSE 27 - Third Generation NTFS Driver |
| 23:12.09 | Wyzard | JohnRobert: If you "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" you'll get a message in syslog every time something writes to a file |
| 23:12.17 | JohnRobert | ta guys |
| 23:12.20 | jelly-home | _Vi: hm, is "ru_RU.utf8" a valid locale (as opposed to, say, "ru_RU.UTF-8"? |
| 23:12.20 | JohnRobert | lsof did the trick |
| 23:12.27 | Wyzard | JohnRobert: (Be sure to turn it off when you're done so you don't fill up your disk with logs) |
| 23:12.31 | JohnRobert | was just my backup, although rsync seems to be invisible |
| 23:12.59 | jelly-home | _Vi: verify with, say, "LANG=ru_RU.utf8 date" |
| 23:13.00 | Deezire | ugh, i added some debs via dpkg -i yesterday, and now i can't seem to apt-get install things. |
| 23:13.03 | _Vi | vi@vi-notebook:~$ locale -a | grep ru_RU.utf8 |
| 23:13.05 | _Vi | ru_RU.utf8 |
| 23:13.13 | Deezire | It says somewthing about -f, but it doesnt help |
| 23:13.47 | jelly-home | _Vi: dunno, sounds like it should work |
| 23:13.49 | Wyzard | Deezire: That means you have broken dependencies -- probably the .deb you installed depends on some other package that you don't have installed |
| 23:13.54 | _Vi | Error message from ntfs-3g gets localized: "use: reading device: ÐпеÑаÑÐ¸Ñ Ð½Ðµ позволÑеÑÑÑ". |
| 23:14.22 | Wyzard | Deezire: and if "apt-get install -f" doesn't fix it, it might be a package that's not available in Debian (though that depends on the actual error message you got) |
| 23:14.42 | _Vi | vi@vi-notebook:~$ LANG=ru_RU.utf8 date |
| 23:14.42 | _Vi | СÑд ÐÑн 11 02:14:36 EEST 2008 |
| 23:14.44 | jelly-home | yeah, please run with LC_MESSAGES=C as I can't read "operation not permitted" in russian |
| 23:15.01 | jelly-home | ... wait |
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| 23:15.31 | jelly-home | well maybe I can read it, but other people here might not |
| 23:15.37 | Nyle | lol |
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| 23:16.27 | adama | how do I un-upgrade iceweasel, this new one (v 3.0) is broken as f**k |
| 23:16.36 | _Vi | If no locale is specified (the default is en_US.UTF-8), then it is "Operation not permitted". |
| 23:16.49 | jelly-home | _Vi: ok, so that's a valid locale setting. Show that that locale is working back to ntfs-3g people, I guess. Or just report a bug to debian bts |
| 23:17.23 | Nyle | adama, you installed with experimental package or mozilla.org |
| 23:17.26 | jelly-home | _Vi: just for fun, does mounting with -o locale=en_US.UTF-8 work? |
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| 23:17.47 | Wyzard | Nyle: 3.x seems to be in unstable now |
| 23:17.56 | adama | apt-get upgrade installed 3.0~rc2-1 |
| 23:18.01 | Nyle | Wyzard, oh it is, is it |
| 23:18.11 | infinitycircuit | ironically you can downgrade to rc1 with experimental |
| 23:18.15 | _Vi | Trying... (Installation is already failed because of this issue, so I may unmount it now). |
| 23:18.18 | jelly-home | _Vi: or do you always get that error message, regardless of the locale? |
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| 23:18.52 | _Vi | About error message: |
| 23:19.03 | _Vi | fuse: reading device: ÐпеÑаÑÐ¸Ñ Ð½Ðµ позволÑеÑÑÑ |
| 23:19.03 | _Vi | Unmounting /dev/sda1 () |
| 23:19.08 | _Vi | and returns to the shell. |
| 23:19.19 | _Vi | But actually it appears to be mounted. |
| 23:19.24 | Nyle | Wyzard, no it isn't |
| 23:19.29 | Nyle | !info iceweasel |
| 23:19.31 | adama | Nyle: so how can I go back to the previous version |
| 23:19.32 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 23:19.37 | Nyle | unless it is called iceweasel3? |
| 23:19.45 | Nyle | wtf man |
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| 23:19.56 | Nyle | $>show iceweasel |
| 23:19.59 | Nyle | Version: 2.0.0.14-2 |
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| 23:20.06 | jelly-home | _Vi: that's a different issue than "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character". |
| 23:20.09 | Nyle | i just updated my package list too |
| 23:20.11 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, you have to do this thing called "upgrading" :) |
| 23:20.18 | kantor | hi, with CVs If I have a new file in my working directory how can I upload that to the repository ? |
| 23:20.24 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, no I don't |
| 23:20.29 | dihymo | is there a power control that controls both throttling and frequency? |
| 23:20.39 | infinitycircuit | dihymo, laptop-mode-tools has that capability |
| 23:20.45 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, I updated my sid box just now and searched for iceweasel, apt-cache show iceweasel,, and i get 2.0.0.14 |
| 23:20.57 | _Vi | (answering in ntfs-3g support forum) |
| 23:21.04 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, iceweasel brings in xulrunner-1.9 if you have upgrades set to not bring in new dependencies that would explain it |
| 23:21.15 | Wyzard | Nyle: FWIW, I'm running amd64 and I have 3.x... maybe it hasn't been updated for your arch yet? |
| 23:21.24 | Nyle | 386 |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | Nyle: i386? or amd75 ? |
| 23:21.25 | stew | kantor: cvs add filename && cvs commit -m "your commit message filename |
| 23:21.35 | adama | 75 hehe |
| 23:21.38 | abrotman | likes the 75bit version of linux :) |
| 23:21.38 | kantor | thanks stew |
| 23:21.44 | Nyle | abrotman, i386 |
| 23:21.54 | adama | so how can I go back to the previous version |
| 23:22.00 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade brings it in for sure |
| 23:22.04 | jelly-home | now with 17% more goodness! |
| 23:22.13 | Nyle | yeh i don't do dist upgrade... |
| 23:22.29 | Nyle | i upaded the package list and it should show iceweasel at 3 |
| 23:22.29 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, as i said before, only using upgrade will not bring in new packages as dependencies |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | Nyle: mirror might be out of date .. apt-cache policy iceweasel .. what's the candidate? |
| 23:22.37 | Nyle | letme check |
| 23:22.40 | infinitycircuit | no xulrunner-1.9 = no new iceweasel |
| 23:23.00 | Wyzard | adama: You could downgrade to the etch or lenny version, or an arbitrary older version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:23.01 | gustaf1 | Nyle: on amd64, iceweasel is 3.0~rc2-1 |
| 23:23.01 | kantor | stew, and if I want I can completely delete a file from the repository, or I can only hide it ? |
| 23:23.01 | gustaf1 | perhaps you're on an old mirror |
| 23:23.01 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.03 | gustaf1 | try .de or .fi if you're in europe |
| 23:23.15 | stew | kantor: iirc you can't completely remove a file from the repository from the client side |
| 23:23.16 | infinitycircuit | perfect example of why apt-get dist-upgrade is necessary for sid haha |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | Nyle: guess it's time to upgrade |
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| 23:23.34 | Nyle | I prefer full as apposed to dist |
| 23:23.37 | Nyle | :D |
| 23:23.40 | Nyle | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 23:23.50 | Nyle | I used to upgrade twice daily |
| 23:23.51 | Wyzard | sees pretty much no reason to ever do a non-dist upgrade |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | that'll make a strange sid .. but your call |
| 23:23.53 | Nyle | then i stopped. |
| 23:23.57 | leafwiz | I want to enable routing at my debian box between some subnets. I try to ping ppp0, from a machine on eth0's net. But I get no reply. I have enabled net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1, is there something else I need to do? |
| 23:23.59 | gustaf1 | upgrade? I haven't run apt-get upgrade in 10 years |
| 23:24.06 | gustaf1 | update and install is enough |
| 23:24.12 | Nyle | abrotman, why? |
| 23:24.21 | Nyle | abrotman, full/dist is the same thing isn't it. |
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| 23:24.32 | abrotman | Nyle: you could potentially end up with some very out of date packages |
| 23:24.33 | Wyzard | Nyle: no, they aren't |
| 23:24.38 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, they are very different |
| 23:24.42 | Nyle | i remember reading .... |
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| 23:24.47 | Nyle | i must have been stoned |
| 23:24.55 | jelly-home | or dudeman |
| 23:24.58 | Nyle | hah |
| 23:25.01 | Wyzard | Nyle: plain upgrade holds back packages whose new versions have unsatisified dependencies or conflicts; dist-upgrade installs or removes packages as necessary to satisfy the new dependencies |
| 23:25.03 | Xpryz7 | hi ! |
| 23:25.03 | Nyle | true true |
| 23:25.03 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, i am referring to apt-get dist-upgrade...full-upgrade only applies to aptitude |
| 23:25.14 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, oh i don't use apt-get |
| 23:25.20 | Xpryz7 | hello Raffaello |
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| 23:25.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are synonyms .. like upgrade/safe-upgrade |
| 23:25.59 | Deezire | How do i just download packages via apt? |
| 23:26.00 | Nyle | aptitude full-upgrade will update packages unless the upgrade removes dependencies that other packages need |
| 23:26.01 | gustaf1 | Nyle: http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel says 3.0~rc2-1 too |
| 23:26.02 | abrotman | AIUI anyways |
| 23:26.06 | gustaf1 | so you're probably on an old mirror |
| 23:26.16 | gustaf1 | i use rc2 myself, from deb sid |
| 23:26.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, I just discovered that in the aptitude manpage... I'd never heard of "full-upgrade" before |
| 23:26.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: I only use aptitude's interactive mode |
| 23:26.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah ok |
| 23:26.28 | jelly-home | Wyzard: eww |
| 23:26.30 | Nyle | aptitude safe-upgrade will not upgrade packages if relied dependencies have not been updated to the required version or installing the upgrade means removing dependencies that other packages need |
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| 23:26.48 | Nyle | where am I confused exactly? |
| 23:27.05 | Demosthenes | does anyone know what the preferred suspend package is? acpi-support? hibernate? etc? |
| 23:27.06 | Nyle | I read that full upgrade replaced dist upgrade but dist is still referred to |
| 23:27.08 | Nyle | is this not correct? |
| 23:27.15 | jelly-home | Nyle: you're not, we agreed that full=dist |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | Nyle: Wyzard had it wrong |
| 23:27.25 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:27.30 | infinitycircuit | thinks people need to read http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-5542-sid-2a9a046a3c431b2d56f2205eac4513fb.html |
| 23:27.37 | Wyzard | Nyle: I was talking about "apt-get upgrade" vs. "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 23:27.38 | Nyle | I missed the line i was looking up stuff |
| 23:27.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:27.43 | infinitycircuit | Demosthenes, acpi-support is deprecated in favor of pm-utils |
| 23:27.51 | Nyle | yeh my mistake i thought aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 23:27.52 | Wyzard | Nyle: which, I've just learned, are equivalent to "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade" respectively |
| 23:28.01 | Demosthenes | infinitycircuit: that was the third option |
| 23:28.02 | Xpryz7 | fuck you debian |
| 23:28.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:28.09 | Nyle | Xpryz7, really? |
| 23:28.11 | jelly-home | infinitycircuit: but it has "sidux" and people here get allergic to words like that |
| 23:28.15 | Xpryz7 | yes it is. |
| 23:28.28 | gustaf1 | Xpryz7: debian is not a person. |
| 23:28.32 | infinitycircuit | jelly-home, oh well. have to grow up sometime |
| 23:28.38 | Xpryz7 | Forever pardus |
| 23:28.40 | gustaf1 | so "fuck you" doesn't parse |
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| 23:28.58 | Phase | Anyone know of a quick way to replace spaces with -'s in every file in a specific directory? |
| 23:29.00 | Nyle | heh alregic |
| 23:29.05 | stew | Xpryz7: do you actually have anything on-topic or are you just here to troll? |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | Phase: rename |
| 23:29.12 | jelly-home | gustaf1: it's a general wish for a regular sexual activity |
| 23:29.15 | Nyle | can i troll? pweeese |
| 23:29.16 | Xpryz7 | yeah |
| 23:29.22 | Nyle | heh. |
| 23:29.23 | jelly-home | Xpryz7: thanks. |
| 23:29.26 | Phase | abrotman, Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 23:29.27 | Xpryz7 | rica |
| 23:29.28 | Xpryz7 | :D |
| 23:29.31 | Xpryz7 | a.q. çocuu |
| 23:29.32 | Xpryz7 | :D |
| 23:29.39 | gustaf1 | jelly-home: regular you say... |
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| 23:29.45 | gustaf1 | i wish it was ;) |
| 23:29.58 | Demosthenes | infinitycircuit: pm-utils > hibernate ? |
| 23:30.04 | Nyle | jelly-home, next month i'll be a us citizen! |
| 23:30.04 | Wyzard | Phase: ls or find to get a list of the files to be renamed, pipe into xargs with the -I option to run a command on each of them |
| 23:30.09 | Nyle | yay |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | makes a call to ICE |
| 23:30.25 | Wyzard | Phase: The command is mv, with the original filename and `sed stuff` as arguments |
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| 23:30.41 | infinitycircuit | Demosthenes, hal uses pm-utils so i presume so |
| 23:30.51 | jelly-home | Nyle: woohoo, you're going through the naturalization process? |
| 23:30.58 | Wyzard | Phase: You'll need to use find's "-print0" option and xargs' "-0" option since the files have spaces in their names |
| 23:30.58 | Demosthenes | infinitycircuit: hal ~= gnome/kde crap ;] |
| 23:31.14 | kantor | stew, and how can I hide a file in the repository ? |
| 23:31.17 | stew | infinitycircuit: that sidux page is odd. there are a lot of completely wrong statements in that page. aptitude is recommended package manager by debian |
| 23:31.19 | Nyle | jelly-home, yes |
| 23:31.22 | stew | kantor: remove it? |
| 23:31.26 | Nyle | i got interview on next month |
| 23:31.28 | infinitycircuit | Demosthenes, i use my own scripts that interact with /sys/power/state |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | Demosthenes: uhm .. Xorg "crap" |
| 23:31.30 | Nyle | I been learning USA history |
| 23:31.31 | Nyle | :D |
| 23:31.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: will you just stand there while people write unintelligible swear words in turkish? |
| 23:31.45 | infinitycircuit | stew, aptitude is garbage in sid. try using it for 2 years to track sid and you'll see what i mean |
| 23:31.52 | Demosthenes | abrotman: really? go figure. hal's rather new to me, i'm reading up now ;] |
| 23:31.55 | kantor | stew, if I can't remove it at least I want to hide it |
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| 23:32.01 | abrotman | Demosthenes: hal.freedesktop.org IIRC |
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| 23:32.10 | stew | infinitycircuit: i have been using it much longer than that, can you be more specific than "garbage"? |
| 23:32.22 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, whats the matter with it? |
| 23:32.28 | stew | kantor: use cvs remove |
| 23:32.44 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: I *do* use aptitude exclusively to track sid, and have been doing so happily for several years |
| 23:32.59 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: in X, no less |
| 23:33.00 | Nyle | as have I. |
| 23:33.03 | infinitycircuit | stew, its dependency tracking is too extreme and it commonly removes extra stuff. it also proposes absurd solutions to simple problems where simple holds would suffice |
| 23:33.10 | infinitycircuit | i'm glad you have had good experience with aptitude |
| 23:33.12 | infinitycircuit | i have not |
| 23:33.14 | infinitycircuit | hence, i use apt-get |
| 23:33.15 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: That sidux page contains wrong statements and FUD |
| 23:33.25 | gustaf1 | what's wrong with synaptic? |
| 23:33.33 | Nyle | Wyzard, ooh FUD |
| 23:33.33 | gustaf1 | jee |
| 23:33.42 | Nyle | gustaf1, piece of donky poo |
| 23:33.46 | infinitycircuit | Wyzard, which statements do you take issue with? |
| 23:33.46 | Nyle | use aptitude! |
| 23:33.59 | Wyzard | gustaf1: Last I checked, synaptic didn't support the "auto" flags on packages that aptitude does, though that may have changed in recent months |
| 23:34.03 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, would you kind enough to link me? |
| 23:34.21 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: primarily the statement that aptitude is "simply not suitable for the very special needs of Debian sid" |
| 23:34.38 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: aptitude does dependency resolution better than apt-get does, and therefore is *more* suited to sid |
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| 23:34.38 | gustaf1 | Nyle: donky poo? well I assume you use links or lynx and not the "donky poo" firefox or any other GUI-based browser |
| 23:34.55 | Nyle | gustaf1, synaptic you asked about right |
| 23:35.03 | stew | infinitycircuit: everything related to doing thiings while running X on that page are false |
| 23:35.06 | Nyle | synaptic is crap imo I like aptitude pus i hate gnome anyway and gtk |
| 23:35.07 | Nyle | D: |
| 23:35.15 | gustaf1 | Wyzard: have no idea what "auto" means. if it's a specialty for aptitude, how am I supposed to know? |
| 23:35.26 | Nyle | gustaf1, man aptitude look at the auto flag |
| 23:35.30 | Demosthenes | abrotman: ah. reading about hal ~= gui anything. also found http://unixadmintalk.com/f11/laptop-power-management-2-6-24-a-377625/ where he says pm-utils is lacking... |
| 23:35.42 | gustaf1 | Nyle: na |
| 23:35.48 | infinitycircuit | Wyzard, as i already stated, aptitude's dependency handling is more aggressive. this means you can install newer versions faster, but at the cost of removing deprecated programs too early |
| 23:35.49 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: and upgrades in X work fine; if X stuff was upgraded you might need to restart X afterward, but even that's rare (I only have to do it when the nVidia driver gets updated and I have to unload the old module and load the new one) |
| 23:35.51 | gustaf1 | won't look at "man aptitude" |
| 23:35.53 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, link for the sidux page thingy? |
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| 23:36.08 | infinitycircuit | those problems in sid are much better solved by waiting it out, rather than aggressively pulling packages |
| 23:36.16 | stew | infinitycircuit: aptitude dependency resolution is much better than apt-get. It started being officially recommended by the debian release notes, when apt-get wasn't even able to handle upgrading woody->sarge on many systems |
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| 23:36.21 | infinitycircuit | perl5.8 -> 5.10 transition was a perfect example |
| 23:36.31 | stew | infinitycircuit: if you don't like the weights that order the suggested solutions, you can adjust them to taste |
| 23:36.48 | infinitycircuit | also, when you say dist-upgrade in x |
| 23:36.49 | stew | infinitycircuit: and at least aptitude is willing to provide multiple possible solutions |
| 23:36.58 | infinitycircuit | did you just install iceweasel? |
| 23:37.00 | AussieHatter | something strange just appeared with cat /proc/mdstat '19542968 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]' anyone know what the super 1.0 means ? |
| 23:37.09 | infinitycircuit | xulrunner-1.9 transition requires you to be out of x to prevent segfaults soon |
| 23:37.11 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: I don't know about doing aptitude upgrades from the command line, but in aptitude's interactive mode you can see what resolution aptitude has chosen and adjust things if necessary before you let it go ahead and install |
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| 23:37.20 | infinitycircuit | its subtle change but its always safer to do it out of x |
| 23:37.28 | stew | infinitycircuit: what is the bug#? |
| 23:37.37 | infinitycircuit | stew, for what? |
| 23:37.45 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, c'mon paste me the link already ffs |
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| 23:37.51 | infinitycircuit | i already did haha |
| 23:37.57 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-5542-sid-2a9a046a3c431b2d56f2205eac4513fb.html |
| 23:37.57 | Nyle | dude i cleared buffer |
| 23:37.58 | Nyle | soryr |
| 23:38.01 | Nyle | thank you |
| 23:38.03 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: That's the sort of FUD I mean... the implication that doing upgrades in X is a "subtle change", or that it can cause "more and more niggling little problems over time" or "strange errors or warnings on boot up" |
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| 23:38.07 | stew | infinitycircuit: an upgrade of xulrunner causing problems if X is running |
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| 23:38.21 | infinitycircuit | stew, i misspoke if iceweasel is running |
| 23:38.36 | stew | infinitycircuit: what is the bug number? |
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| 23:39.06 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: Regarding iceweasel, I upgraded it and happened to still have 2.x running, and when I launched 3.x it hung |
| 23:39.15 | Nyle | NEVER do a dist-upgrade nor upgrade whilst in X <-- totally bogus |
| 23:39.26 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: so I closed all the 2.x windows, killed the 3.x process, and then started it again, and it works fine |
| 23:39.36 | Nyle | apt-get is the only package management tool supported and recommended in sidux <-- sidux is not debian and debian/rules |
| 23:39.44 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: absolutely no need to restart the entirety of X just for an iceweasel upgrade |
| 23:40.05 | Nyle | its like the ubuntu bullshit, restart your pc after you install an application |
| 23:40.06 | infinitycircuit | Wyzard, imagine if you just did a libgvfs update |
| 23:40.10 | jelly-home | Wyzard: uh, you started 3.0 without backing up your .mozilla dir? |
| 23:40.10 | Nyle | totally 'tarded. |
| 23:40.14 | infinitycircuit | i'd rather be safe than sorry |
| 23:40.31 | Nyle | jelly-home, mv ~/.mozilla ~./mozilla_2.0 |
| 23:40.46 | stew | jelly-home: i did |
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| 23:41.22 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you should see what weird segfaults happen with kde apps when you upgrade kdelibs :-| |
| 23:41.28 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: I've upgraded large swaths of GNOME packages with GNOME running |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | so have i |
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| 23:41.44 | infinitycircuit | feel free then |
| 23:41.48 | Demosthenes | any system should have massive changes performed while in single user / maintenance mode... |
| 23:41.49 | infinitycircuit | it's up to you |
| 23:41.52 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: The already-running processes generally keep running happily with the older libraries they've already loaded, and newly-launched processes use the new ones |
| 23:41.54 | stew | infinitycircuit: well if you feel safer that way, that is fine. it is however unnecessary to stop x in order to upgrde as far as we know. if you know of a case where this is not true, please file a bug. if not, please don't spread such misinformation |
| 23:41.56 | Nyle | jelly-home, I usually restart kde after I upgrade it |
| 23:42.14 | Wyzard | infinitycircuit: Generally there's no problem at all, but if I see weird behavior *then* I restart X |
| 23:42.33 | infinitycircuit | stew, i'll be glad to file bugs when i find them |
| 23:42.46 | stew | excellent |
| 23:42.54 | jelly-home | Nyle: I spent a couple hours debugging what seemed to be a threading issue, it just went away after I killed and restarted kded* and kde apps |
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| 23:43.09 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I was only launching iceweasel to check the version number in the About dialog, btw, and forgot I had 2.x running... I use epiphany mainly so I don't really care much about iceweasel upgrades |
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| 23:43.34 | Nyle | jelly-home, yes, full kde is not loaded in memory and if you upgrade while in kde yes it could give errors upon execution of new apps |
| 23:43.35 | jelly-home | Nyle: and there's absolutely no mention of needing to restart kde after upgrades |
| 23:43.40 | stew | if it's possibly unsafe to be upgrading with X running, then the particular package's preinst script should be making sure X isn't running or it is a severity critical bug. i can't think of any package which does this now |
| 23:43.59 | Nyle | jelly-home, it has happened to me, though of course its not required |
| 23:44.21 | jelly-home | Nyle: right, it's not required but bugs will happen if it's not :-| |
| 23:44.28 | Nyle | yup |
| 23:44.43 | jelly-home | ie. it bloody well is required! |
| 23:44.51 | Nyle | exactomundo |
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| 23:46.22 | jelly-home | stew: I suggested that to debian-kde people; didn't happen |
| 23:46.26 | stew | having 'glitches' or some such until a restart is one thing. it was sounding like there was a recommendation to stop stuff before upgrading 'or you will eventually get burned' which is another thing. |
| 23:46.56 | stew | jelly-home: is it the case that upgrading kde and not restarting makes it 'glitchy' or does it actually cause data-loss, or somewhere in between? |
| 23:46.58 | Nyle | stew, I disagree with that post still |
| 23:47.04 | Wyzard | stew: That's exactly what the page says |
| 23:47.04 | Nyle | (forum) |
| 23:47.24 | Nyle | data loss not yet |
| 23:47.44 | Nyle | just once or twice apps won't even start or segfaulted until i restarted kdm |
| 23:47.47 | phogg | Why would X running cause a problem? |
| 23:47.47 | Wyzard | stew: oh, sorry, that's in reference to using things other than apt-get, not upgrading in X |
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| 23:47.53 | Nyle | phogg, it won't |
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| 23:48.10 | phogg | Nyle: good, that has always been my experience |
| 23:48.22 | stew | Wyzard: right. i'm saying its sounding like the current conversation is headed towards "when i upgrade kde, i have to restart before things are 'right'', and i'm saying that is not so bad contrary to what that page was making it out to be |
| 23:57.39 | Nyle | the sidux guy says differently |
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| 23:57.39 | phogg | crazy |
| 23:57.40 | jelly-home | stew: I'm using just one kde package, and it's a music player. I lost my current playlist and I don't consider that particular result to be worthy of a RC bug, but more important apps possibly misbehave as well |
| 23:57.40 | phogg | scrolls, reads link |
| 23:57.40 | stew | jelly-home: that is worthy of a Severity: critical bug |
| 23:57.40 | pablo | hi, i see on packages.debian.org that eog depends on python2.5 but apt-cache depends eog depends on python2.4 ? |
| 23:57.40 | Nyle | apt-get is the only package management tool supported and recommended in sidux |
| 23:57.40 | Nyle | see? |
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| 23:57.40 | Nyle | sidux sux0rzor |
| 23:57.40 | Nyle | bleh. |
| 23:57.40 | stew | ok enough... |
| 23:57.40 | infinitycircuit | Nyle, you really should relax. that's not what's being discussed at the moment |
| 23:57.41 | Nyle | c'mon |
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| 23:57.41 | p2p | hello |
| 23:57.41 | Nyle | you kow im kidding |
| 23:57.41 | Nyle | :/ |
| 23:57.41 | ArthurArchnix | I can't take a screenshot of my loging screen, because xnest is spawning tiny 'x' windows so the thing comes out distored |
| 23:57.41 | p2p | how can i delete this file? |
| 23:57.41 | p2p | way@aquila:/home$ du -sh ~/.* | grep G |
| 23:57.41 | p2p | 9,8G /home/way/. |
| 23:57.41 | p2p | 12G /home/way/.. |
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| 23:57.41 | Nyle | i dont use sidux, what do i give a shit what they do or say :) |
| 23:57.41 | phogg | pablo: it dpends on 2.5 for me, you are looking at an older source (apt-get update) |
| 23:57.41 | p2p | how can I delete de /home/way/. file? |
| 23:57.41 | icenine | p2p: you can't dlete that file. are you sure its not .\ ? |
| 23:57.41 | infinitycircuit | p2p, /home/way/. is the directory /home/way |
| 23:57.42 | stew | p2p: . means "the current directory" i.e /home/way ; ".." means "the parent of the current directory", i.e. "/home" |
| 23:57.42 | icenine | p2p: like dot space? |
| 23:57.42 | jelly-home | stew: yeah, ideally I'd be happy with something like kernel image preisnt check and warning when kdelibs or kdebase or whatever detects kde daemons running at preinst time |
| 23:57.42 | pablo | phogg: i see, perhaps it is the mirror |
| 23:57.42 | ArthurArchnix | Is there something else? Or is this an indication of a problem with my image? |
| 23:57.42 | pablo | phogg: which repos do you use? |
| 23:57.42 | icenine | p2p: ls -l and see if there are more than 2 directories named with only .'s |
| 23:57.42 | p2p | ok, thanks |
| 23:57.42 | icenine | p2p: kiddies will sometimes make a directory like this ~/.\SPACE\SPACE\SPACE and put their loot in there. |
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| 23:57.42 | phogg | pablo: I use the kernel.org mirror tracking sid |
| 23:57.42 | pablo | phogg: ok |
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| 23:57.42 | stew | jelly-home: if i were a kde developer, i'd certainly want to avoid that if it were possible. but if there is potentially data-loss (even if it is only a playlist) it is automatically Severity: critical and needs to be addressed |
| 23:57.42 | Nyle | stew, whats the fastest mirrow for nyc? or which do you use again/ |
| 23:57.42 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:57.42 | p2p | I have an empty dir consuming free space |
| 23:57.43 | icenine | p2p: which dir? |
| 23:57.43 | phogg | p2p: ls -a /home/way/ |
| 23:57.43 | stew | Nyle: i use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | stew, then in that case it seems it is requied to either shutdown kde fuly before upgrading it, or restaring kde after upgrading it |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | and a critical bug must be filed |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | againsnt this behaviour |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | otherwise what sidux said is somewhat true... |
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| 23:57.44 | stew | if upgrading causes data-loss, file a severity: critical bug |
| 23:57.44 | p2p | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.44 | p2p | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.44 | p2p | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.44 | p2p | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.44 | p2p | i have checked all directories |
| 23:57.44 | Nyle | stew, personally I have not suffered from data loss, though jelly should address this maybe |
| 23:57.45 | abrotman | p2p: that doesn't show us anything |
| 23:57.45 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:57.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:57.45 | icenine | p2p: du -sh .. will give you the disk usage of the parent directory. |
| 23:57.45 | phogg | p2p: globing with . is not wise as it gives you results you usually don't expect |
| 23:57.45 | Nyle | stew, however it is not guranteed that it WILL, however it can, but logically if it can, then eventually it will |
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| 23:57.45 | phogg | p2p: you say the directory is empty yet contains space. I say, what does ls -a /that/dir/ tell you? pastebin the output and we'll talk. |
| 23:57.46 | stew | p2p: do you understand what the "." and ".." directories are now? and how they should probably be ignored in whatever you are doing? |
| 23:57.52 | p2p | yes stew |
| 23:58.51 | p2p | i'm looking the partition table |
| 23:59.03 | p2p | the problem is that the mounted partition is swap type |
| 23:59.05 | p2p | i think... |
| 23:59.15 | adama | sweet got my old iceweasel v2 back :) |
| 23:59.15 | Wyzard | p2p: Swap partitions don't get mounted |
| 23:59.26 | Wyzard | p2p: and your partition table has nothing to do with a directory taking up space |
| 23:59.34 | Nyle | adama, I just installed on my other sid machine and ssh -X |
| 23:59.50 | Nyle | adama, more than 1 machine helps in playing around |
| 23:59.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:59.58 | phogg | p2p: instead of guessing you could ask some questions and get real information in return. |
