| 00:00.04 | Wyzard | p2p: Do what phogg said: run "ls -a" on the directory that you're concerned about |
| 00:00.17 | adama | not when you're trying to work and firebug won't work on v3... |
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| 00:00.26 | Nyle | adama, ahh yes |
| 00:00.31 | stew | p2p: show us what you are seeing that is making you believe you have a problem. use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:01.20 | Nyle | adama, what doyoudo?" |
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| 00:01.25 | Nyle | +spaces |
| 00:01.39 | n3kl | can I move a regular partition to an lvm or convert it somehow? |
| 00:01.53 | Wyzard | n3kl: not in-place |
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| 00:02.27 | n3kl | Wyzard: I would have to move the data off, create the lvm, move the data back, change fstab, yeah |
| 00:02.35 | Wyzard | n3kl: yep |
| 00:02.47 | gnat_x | i recently installed lenny, and i am a bit alarmed to find out that emacs22-nox pulls in a version of xemacs, and will use 63M as opposed to etch's nox version which was around 13. i really don't want all that X support i don't nee. |
| 00:03.26 | adama | Nyle, general webhosting systems administration plus web development/maintenance |
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| 00:03.44 | Wyzard | gnat_x: pulls it in directly as a dependency? Or indirectly as a dependency of something else? |
| 00:03.45 | Nyle | adama, why? |
| 00:03.52 | Wyzard | gnat_x: There's probably a recommends involved somewhere |
| 00:04.19 | Nyle | man I build fglrx hours ago but i have not yet restarted X heheh |
| 00:04.46 | adama | Nyle, for fun and money |
| 00:04.50 | gnat_x | Wyzard: i thought aptitude didn't pull i recommended packages by default |
| 00:04.58 | phogg | gnat_x: the only additional depends I see is libasound |
| 00:05.01 | Nyle | adama, i ask everyone why they do what they do :) |
| 00:05.02 | Wyzard | gnat_x: It does |
| 00:05.25 | adama | :) |
| 00:05.29 | Nyle | fuck it i'll restart X, no more need to restart for config, only loading the driver |
| 00:05.32 | adama | Nyle what do you do? |
| 00:05.33 | gnat_x | rereads the man page |
| 00:05.33 | Wyzard | gnat_x: recommended packages are installed by default, but suggested packages aren't |
| 00:05.37 | Nyle | man I am head over heels in love with freaking xrandr |
| 00:05.50 | Nyle | you have no idea, the thing i wanna do it it unf. |
| 00:06.26 | Nyle | adama, I am a sr. sys admin at a computer firm daytme, and evenings, weekends I have my own business consulting IT and pc repair, residential business whatever I can find |
| 00:06.51 | Nyle | why? because I gave my want to become security engineer (which I was going to school for nonetheless) |
| 00:07.11 | gnat_x | Wyzard: actually that's even without recommended packages. |
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| 00:07.50 | nevyn | xrandr is awesome. |
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| 00:08.01 | Nyle | you got that right my man |
| 00:08.11 | gnat_x | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/d5bf9afa2 |
| 00:08.50 | Wyzard | gnat_x: There's no mention of xemacs in that |
| 00:09.24 | gnat_x | i know. but when i finished installing it, it was there. |
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| 00:09.27 | Nyle | it be nice if you could load/unload video drivers while X was running |
| 00:09.44 | Nyle | i wonder if its even possible somehow |
| 00:09.51 | Nyle | technically |
| 00:09.54 | phogg | Nyle: unlikely |
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| 00:09.58 | man_in_ltop | well that was fun |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | Nyle: #xorg ? |
| 00:10.06 | Nyle | abrotman, true |
| 00:10.15 | man_in_ltop | downloading all the deps for compiling a kernel without having direct network access |
| 00:10.25 | phogg | man_in_ltop: how? |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: why? |
| 00:10.44 | phogg | where? |
| 00:10.44 | Wyzard | gnat_x: What, exactly, are you saying was unexpectedly installed? (Name of program in filesystem? Name of package?) |
| 00:10.57 | man_in_ltop | because my brand new lenny box for whatever reason can't access the lan |
| 00:11.03 | gnat_x | Wyzard: besides, looking at: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/any/emacs22-nox emacs22-common is not listed as a dependency or recommended package |
| 00:11.06 | man_in_ltop | forcedeth driver |
| 00:11.07 | jelly-home | man_in_ltop: that's like... build-essential and libncurses-dev for menuconfig |
| 00:11.19 | man_in_ltop | jelly-home, you're forgetting the recursive deps |
| 00:11.38 | Wyzard | gnat_x: emacs22-common is a dependency of emacs22-bin-common, which is a dependency of emacs22-nox |
| 00:11.45 | man_in_ltop | i had to manually download each package onto a usb drive and copy them across that way |
| 00:11.46 | gnat_x | Wyzard: ahh. |
| 00:11.46 | jelly-home | man_in_ltop: I'm not. "apt-get -s --print-uris install " those two |
| 00:12.09 | man_in_ltop | jelly-home, i'll try to remember that for next time :) |
| 00:12.20 | jelly-home | man_in_ltop: also, apt-zip |
| 00:12.26 | gnat_x | Wyzard: xEmacs was showing up in my debian menu, i didn't try to launch it. i purged emacs thinking i had possibly installed the wrong package. will try again and see what happens. |
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| 00:12.54 | Wyzard | gnat_x: Try to launch it and see if it works |
| 00:12.56 | man_in_ltop | though come to think of it, this box doesn't even have a working apt repository |
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| 00:13.16 | gnat_x | Wyzard: *nod* doing that now -- well once it installs. |
| 00:13.21 | Wyzard | gnat_x: Find the file that produces that menu entry (probably a .desktop file but I don't remember offhand where they're kept) and check what package the file is part of |
| 00:14.11 | gnat_x | Wyzard: will do. thanks for the help. i'm just being picky because i for some reason hate xemacs. |
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| 00:15.19 | Wyzard | gnat_x: Did the menu entry actually say "XEmacs"? If it just said "Emacs" it's probably something to launch your non-X emacs in a terminal window |
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| 00:16.32 | gnat_x | Wyzard: it creates two menu entries - Emacs22 (text) and Emacs22 (X11) |
| 00:17.01 | nevyn | gnu emacs has X11 support now. |
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| 00:17.26 | Wyzard | nevyn: That's been true for a long time, but gnat_x is installing emacs22-nox, which is built with X support omitted |
| 00:17.38 | p2p | phogg, Wyzard |
| 00:17.40 | p2p | im going |
| 00:17.50 | man_in_ltop | never learnt to use emacs |
| 00:17.58 | phogg | man_in_ltop: it's bliss |
| 00:18.17 | man_in_ltop | for me, it's "bliss" like vista is "bliss" |
| 00:18.27 | man_in_ltop | it's a whole load of bloat that does much more than i will ever need |
| 00:18.29 | Wyzard | gnat_x: but nevyn has a good point -- if it's XEmacs specifically that you don't like, and not graphical Emacs in general, you should just install emacs22 and use its X mode |
| 00:19.15 | phogg | X mode emacs consumes even more ram and is terribly ugly, too |
| 00:19.25 | p2p | what do you want phogg Wyzard ? only the ls -a /home/way ? |
| 00:19.26 | gnat_x | its graphical emacs i don't like. i prefer to only use it in the terminal. |
| 00:19.30 | Wyzard | emacs22-gtk isn't bad |
| 00:19.36 | phogg | p2p: that is what we were asking for |
| 00:19.40 | man_in_ltop | i like my gvim :) |
| 00:19.42 | p2p | ok |
| 00:19.53 | Nyle | still likes nano :o |
| 00:19.56 | Wyzard | p2p: You said you have an empty directory that's taking up space, but you didn't say what directory it is |
| 00:20.00 | phogg | Wyzard: matter of opinion. the gtk widgets are worse, to me |
| 00:20.01 | Wyzard | p2p: Whatever directory it is, run "ls -a" in it |
| 00:20.06 | gnat_x | oh god, i've started an editor fight. |
| 00:20.11 | p2p | http://pastebin.com/m254233d9 |
| 00:20.17 | phogg | !start an editor war |
| 00:20.17 | dpkg | pico doesn't deserve to be in red hat |
| 00:20.19 | gnat_x | besides, we all know, real nerds use sed. :P |
| 00:20.26 | p2p | Wyzard i cant find it |
| 00:20.28 | man_in_ltop | phogg, worse than x11 hacks? |
| 00:20.28 | Wyzard | phogg: Fair enough, but I use GNOME so emacs-gtk fits in nicely |
| 00:20.37 | wedge | vi sucks |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | !start an editor war |
| 00:20.45 | dpkg | edlin blows |
| 00:20.52 | man_in_ltop | vi sucks, vim sucks less |
| 00:20.54 | p2p | what else do you need? |
| 00:21.08 | Wyzard | p2p: Let's start at the beginning: *why* do you think that you have an empty directory taking up space? |
| 00:21.13 | phogg | p2p: there you have it, your "empty" directory has a bunch of dotfiles (meaning files starting with .) which are hidden by default. |
| 00:21.25 | nevyn | I think xkcd has the final word on editors http://xkcd.org/378/ |
| 00:21.35 | p2p | i've done the du -sh .* and there is nothing anormal |
| 00:21.40 | phogg | p2p: you wanted to know which hidden files/dirs are consuming disk space? |
| 00:21.43 | Wyzard | uses both emacs and vi, and occasionally nano |
| 00:21.50 | wedge | nevyn: my international transit is down atm cant reach xkcd :( |
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| 00:21.54 | man_in_ltop | how much space is being taken up? |
| 00:21.59 | wedge | please paste the image in binaryform in chat |
| 00:22.17 | p2p | have a look at this: /dev/sda6 14G 11G 3,7G 75% /home |
| 00:22.22 | p2p | /dev/sda6 8765 10589 14659281 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 00:22.27 | man_in_ltop | empty directories DO take up space, as reported by du and some forms of ls |
| 00:22.27 | p2p | i think is because of this |
| 00:22.35 | phogg | p2p: try this: find /home/way/ -type d -exec du -hs {} \; |
| 00:22.45 | nevyn | is there a png to aa converter in debian :) |
| 00:22.53 | man_in_ltop | p2p, 3.7GB used? |
| 00:22.58 | Wyzard | p2p: That just means your /home partition is mislabeled as type 82 (Linux swap) rather than 83 (Linux) in the partition table |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | yes .. aalib ? or something |
| 00:23.01 | phogg | p2p: no, that has nothing to do with it |
| 00:23.14 | p2p | 3,7 free |
| 00:23.23 | Wyzard | p2p: That has absolutely nothing to do with the contents of the partition (you could label it NTFS if you wanted to; it'd still be a valid Linux filesystem) |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | caca ? |
| 00:23.25 | phogg | p2p: so? |
| 00:23.31 | Nyle | Wyzard, http://paste.debian.net/6075/ |
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| 00:23.42 | phogg | man_in_ltop: he was claiming gigs of space consumed |
| 00:23.43 | Nyle | Wyzard, been using this for years, I added some thigns and fixed some problems and colors to my linkings |
| 00:23.47 | Nyle | Wyzard, enjoy |
| 00:23.54 | man_in_ltop | phogg, by an empty directory? |
| 00:23.57 | p2p | its working phogg |
| 00:24.16 | p2p | if i change the label with fdisk could i loose data? |
| 00:24.24 | Wyzard | p2p: no |
| 00:24.26 | phogg | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 00:24.30 | gnat_x | Wyzard: so it turns out that menu item does nothing. where do i look to see what package is creating it? |
| 00:24.33 | Wyzard | p2p: as long as you don't change anything but the label |
| 00:24.41 | man_in_ltop | what Wyzard said |
| 00:24.49 | Wyzard | p2p: Run fdisk, type 't', choose that partition, and enter 83 |
| 00:24.52 | man_in_ltop | ooh, kernal is packaged |
| 00:24.54 | Wyzard | p2p: then 'w' to save and quit |
| 00:24.59 | p2p | ok |
| 00:25.05 | Wyzard | p2p: but that's not the cause of your free-space problem |
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| 00:25.25 | man_in_ltop | yay yay |
| 00:25.26 | gnat_x | and is this something that the emacs22-nox package maintainers can fix, or should know about -- provided i find useful info? |
| 00:25.44 | man_in_ltop | now i find out if it still works |
| 00:25.51 | p2p | ok |
| 00:25.54 | gnat_x | knows preciously little about packaging |
| 00:26.14 | man_in_ltop | i really need a cd case for my lenny disc |
| 00:26.36 | phogg | gnat_x: there's not much too it, but it's not for the faint of heart |
| 00:26.40 | man_in_ltop | and i should unplug this dodgy dvd burner too |
| 00:27.00 | phogg | man_in_ltop: export INTERNAL_MONOLOGUE=off |
| 00:27.11 | man_in_ltop | sorry |
| 00:27.16 | phogg | just joking around |
| 00:27.28 | gnat_x | phogg: yeah, i've just never had a real reason to learn. |
| 00:28.18 | jelly-home | gnat_x: it could be the emacs packagers fault, or your wm/DE menu system |
| 00:28.21 | man_in_ltop | blah, looks like wrong sata driver :( |
| 00:29.03 | gnat_x | jelly-home: its the "menu" package in xfce4. |
| 00:29.37 | jelly-home | gnat_x: xfce4 has a known bug with some (otherwise valid) .desktop files |
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| 00:29.56 | p2p | doesnt ends the find phogg |
| 00:30.31 | phogg | p2p: what? |
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| 00:30.39 | jelly-home | gnat_x: so, openoffice menu entries for direct opening of its apps, like Writer, don't work in xfce |
| 00:30.50 | p2p | the find you wrote me before, that doesnt ends |
| 00:31.04 | phogg | p2p: you mean it just keeps going and going? |
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| 00:31.13 | phogg | p2p: that's probably because there are a LOT of results |
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| 00:31.27 | p2p | ok :) |
| 00:31.36 | phogg | p2p: try this instead: find /home/way/ -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec du -hs {} \; |
| 00:31.47 | phogg | p2p: and man find, best friend you'll ever have on the command line. |
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| 00:32.27 | justin | finding wasted space? you mean du -ac ~ | sort -n|tail -n 1000 |
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| 00:32.54 | phogg | justin: no, finding out which dotfiles in his home dir consume space without accidentally looking at .. |
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| 00:33.52 | nevyn | .xsession-errors is my favorite culprit. |
| 00:33.57 | phogg | justin: your way is better, but at least with find he wont be tempted to say ~/.* |
| 00:34.09 | Gm4n | I'm trying to write a perl script that parses mail, but it needs to be setuid. I've read up, and setuid perl is deprecated (in favor of shell scripts and sudo). I have two questions - where on the filesystem is an appropriate place to put my "wrapper" shell script (that just sudos perl myscript.pl), and how do I pass the STDIN (the mail itself) through to the perl script? |
| 00:35.05 | phogg | Gm4n: Broadly, anywhere you want. Maybe /usr/local/bin |
| 00:35.08 | Gm4n | alrighty, sounds good :) |
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| 00:35.22 | Gm4n | and how do I get STDIN passed through to the script? |
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| 00:35.39 | By_Mihni | S.a gençlik |
| 00:35.40 | phogg | I'm no shell expert, someone else maybe |
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| 00:36.01 | justin | Gm4n: why does the script have to run as root? |
| 00:36.08 | Gm4n | I didn't say root ;) |
| 00:36.15 | Gm4n | I'm gonna sudo as a specific user |
| 00:36.41 | p2p | it finds lot of directories phogg the same as with du -sh |
| 00:36.50 | fiendishfish | Gm4n, do you mean su as a specific user? |
| 00:37.03 | fiendishfish | Oh, nvm. |
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| 00:37.35 | Gm4n | I need to use sudo, because I don't want to hardcode any passwords in :) |
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| 00:38.09 | nevyn | Gm4n: why not just make it setuid |
| 00:38.20 | nevyn | Gm4n: it's simpler and more likely to be found in an audit |
| 00:38.25 | Gm4n | nevyn: you have to use suid perl for that, and it's depricated |
| 00:38.36 | Gm4n | in favor of sudo ;) |
| 00:38.51 | nevyn | sudo is good. as it causes it to be logged as a priv escelation |
| 00:39.38 | nevyn | but it's obsfucated and not obvious from a find/locate of setuid files that this is a increased privilage executable. |
| 00:39.46 | jelly-home | Gm4n: is your setuid wrapper going to be used by normal users? |
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| 00:40.09 | Gm4n | nope, just by nobody (called from mail aliases) |
| 00:40.24 | jelly-home | Gm4n: /usr/lib/yourpackage, then |
| 00:40.34 | Gm4n | will do :) |
| 00:40.56 | Gm4n | still stuck on the hard part, though |
| 00:41.08 | Gm4n | how does STDIN get passed through a shell script and sudo to my actual perl? |
| 00:41.34 | jelly-home | like anything else? |
| 00:41.46 | jelly-home | foo | sudo whatever |
| 00:42.41 | Gm4n | well, mail aliases will be address "|/usr/lib/mailwrapper.sh" |
| 00:42.55 | jelly-home | Gm4n: just put sudo whatever in it and it's supposed to work |
| 00:42.57 | Gm4n | then mailwrapper will be sudo /home/myuser/myscript.pl |
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| 00:43.18 | Gm4n | the stdin doens't get confused by all that hopping around? excellent! :) |
| 00:43.38 | jelly-home | Gm4n: you might as well put "|sudo /home/myuser/myscript.pl" in aliases directly ;-) |
| 00:43.57 | Gm4n | touché :) |
| 00:44.25 | Gm4n | now to figure out the sudo configs :P |
| 00:44.37 | Supaplex | Gm4n: my stdin bits come in upside down, but they're still in the right order. seems to work okay. ;) |
| 00:44.56 | jelly-home | Gm4n: I'd rather do it with a simple .c wrapper setuid, though |
| 00:45.36 | Gm4n | rather than using sudo? |
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| 00:45.45 | Gm4n | seems like sudo is safer than something I code myself :) |
| 00:46.04 | jelly-home | Gm4n: yes. but sudo is an additional dependency |
| 00:46.14 | Gm4n | this isn't meant to be the slightest bit portable |
| 00:46.44 | jelly-home | Gm4n: this is a setuid wrapper for a python cgi script: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/listedit-cgi.c |
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| 00:47.23 | Gm4n | thanks, I'll keep that around. I'm still leaning toward sudo, though ;) |
| 00:48.06 | jelly-home | I blame Linux for having a stupid rule about not allowing setuid #! scripts |
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| 00:49.04 | jelly-home | makes people write in c needlessly |
| 00:50.01 | p2p | what are the thumbnails? |
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| 00:50.15 | jelly-home | Gm4n: (... or abuse sudo, it seems) |
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| 00:50.38 | p2p | the previews of images? |
| 00:50.49 | Gm4n | jelly-home: is this really abuse? |
| 00:51.18 | jelly-home | Gm4n: I've only ever used it for interactive shells |
| 00:52.43 | jelly-home | no idea on how well it performs unattended |
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| 01:00.10 | S4nD3r | My pendrive do not automount in my gnome |
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| 01:02.44 | vn | hi, I got a weird problem, some services aren't responding/running on my new box |
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| 01:03.09 | vn | I have access to the fs and in /var/log/syslog I see this, what does it mean? Jun 9 14:40:41 dex inetd[2569]: could not getpeername |
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| 01:06.32 | dihymo_ | ok so how do I get the latest iceweasel rc2-1 which mirrors have it? |
| 01:06.50 | dondelelcaro | dihymo_: it's most mirrors in experimental. |
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| 01:07.17 | dihymo_ | oh so its |
| 01:07.21 | dihymo_ | i see now |
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| 01:07.41 | dihymo_ | by the way how do i get apt to show the latest latest |
| 01:07.57 | dihymo_ | it keeps selecting the version just prior |
| 01:08.12 | Sling | depends on which reps you have in your sources.list |
| 01:08.17 | Sling | or if there are any packages on hold |
| 01:08.44 | dihymo_ | do i need to set anything in apt.conf? |
| 01:08.54 | dondelelcaro | dihymo_: no. Just select the exact version you want. |
| 01:08.55 | dihymo_ | or pinning |
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| 01:09.05 | Nyle | OK GONNA RESTART X NOW |
| 01:09.07 | Nyle | damnit |
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| 01:09.27 | infinitycircuit | dihymo, remember that iceweasel 3 now requires xulrunner-1.9 so unless you are manually bringing that in, apt-get upgrade won't grab it |
| 01:09.27 | dihymo_ | so i can get rid of the line that says default rep in apt.conf |
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| 01:10.01 | dihymo_ | it's already in there which is why it's odd rc1-1 croaks |
| 01:10.22 | dihymo_ | anyhoo I'm goan to try it |
| 01:11.36 | snoops | hey, I'm having some trouble compiling rtorrent for etch.. basically I've got the latest source, and I get an error about it not being able to find openssl when I do ./configure so I grabbed the latest openssl and compiled+installed that and am still getting the same error |
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| 01:12.13 | infinitycircuit | snoops, what is the error? |
| 01:12.34 | snoops | let me grab it |
| 01:12.39 | snoops | one second |
| 01:13.43 | dihymo | nope it just croaks |
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| 01:16.32 | blameless | i just fired up iceweasel3rc1 |
| 01:17.24 | Supaplex | huzzah for yew |
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| 01:18.22 | dihymo | ok so it starts up n crashes |
| 01:18.37 | dihymo | amd64 |
| 01:19.17 | infinitycircuit | !paste |
| 01:19.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:20.08 | snoops | sorry infinitycircuit, taking a bit longer than I thought..waiting for it to error |
| 01:20.20 | infinitycircuit | snoops, its ok |
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| 01:20.43 | infinitycircuit | i have a sort of weird question...could someone look at this reportbugrc file and confirm that it would work when i have no mail servers set up on my computer? http://paste.debian.net/6077/ |
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| 01:22.08 | dihymo | (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIStringBundle.GetStringFromName] |
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| 01:22.16 | dihymo | the it crashes |
| 01:22.23 | dihymo | *then |
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| 01:23.28 | dihymo | safe mode only crashes no error reported |
| 01:24.26 | dihymo | btw why |
| 01:24.52 | dihymo | is the latest xserver package set to conflict with drivers? |
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| 01:26.05 | vn | how do you translate mount -t cifs blahblah into fstab? |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | man mount .. man fstab |
| 01:26.46 | snoops | here's the error infinitycircuit http://paste.debian.net/6078/ |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | infinitycircuit: i don't think your smtphost can be bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:27.07 | markybob | googling would probably be faster than the man pages :P |
| 01:27.28 | infinitycircuit | abrotman, yeah i don't think so either...that was the autogenerated thing but it looked wrong |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | autogeneratged ? |
| 01:27.42 | abrotman | you have to answer questions |
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| 01:28.34 | infinitycircuit | abrotman, yes when it said "enter your smtphost" i left it blank and it spat out bugs.debian.org |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | use your ISPs smtp server |
| 01:29.01 | infinitycircuit | ok thanks |
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| 01:30.23 | CalJohn | Is there a way to extract an flv video from a swf file, using FOSS? |
| 01:30.27 | woodgrain | can someone offer me some SATA driver help? Seagate Barracuda SATA drive not recognized. Cant find right driver |
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| 01:31.31 | vikestad | Anyone know why why screen goes black when running startx with the nvidia driver (lsmod | grep nvidia) shows it as loaded, and i can't find any errors in /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 01:31.42 | markybob | woodgrain, try the kmuto cd. has updated kernel |
| 01:31.49 | snoops | any idea infinitycircuit? |
| 01:32.01 | infinitycircuit | snoops, did it fail with the default openssl package in etch? |
| 01:32.04 | Nyle | well fglrx displays a black screen, no input working... still the problem persists though apparantly according to the bug the patch was applied in the svn trunk |
| 01:32.14 | CalJohn | vikestad: whose nvidia driver are you using? |
| 01:32.18 | Nyle | grr. |
| 01:32.21 | snoops | yes it did infinitycircuit |
| 01:32.32 | snoops | so after I did that, then I compiled and installed the latest from source |
| 01:32.48 | snoops | but that didn't help matters |
| 01:32.49 | woodgrain | !kmuto |
| 01:32.49 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 01:33.14 | vikestad | CalJohn: Debian's packages - nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 and nvidia-glx |
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| 01:33.31 | PhrkOnLsh | Is there any chance that famd will keep me from umount a drive, if it is monitoring a file on that drive? |
| 01:33.39 | azeem_ | PhrkOnLsh: yes |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | !tell woodgrain about etchnhalf |
| 01:33.48 | infinitycircuit | snoops, you need to install libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 01:33.51 | infinitycircuit | not just basic openssl |
| 01:33.56 | PhrkOnLsh | azeem: is there any way to get it to drop them so I can umount? |
| 01:34.18 | azeem | dunno |
| 01:34.18 | woodgrain | alex, thanks. DPKG is helping me out of the haze. |
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| 01:34.30 | CalJohn | vikestad: interesting. I use the offical drivers and I am able to get the following symptom; I run start X, and the screen is black, but X isn't really running, because ALT-F1 crashes it and prints the error |
| 01:35.02 | snoops | ah, couldn't find package libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 01:35.32 | woodgrain | abrotman, etchnhalf link seems bad (from dpkg) |
| 01:35.33 | infinitycircuit | libcurl3-openssl-dev is the only thing in etch |
| 01:35.33 | CalJohn | vikestad: this happens under certain circumstances to do with accidentally booting with the wrong kernel (debian's automatic install likes to override my settings silently) |
| 01:35.35 | infinitycircuit | you can try with that |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | woodgrain: hrm .. let me check .. |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | woodgrain: all the links ? |
| 01:36.08 | snoops | right I have libcurl3-openssl-dev |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | woodgrain: wish they'd stop moving it :) |
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| 01:36.22 | woodgrain | no, just the cdimage unoffical one. |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | woodgrain: let me look for a new URL |
| 01:36.43 | vikestad | CalJohn: I can't even use ALT+F1 etc to switch back to console, though ssh into the machine works. I've tried google for an hour or so, and it seems to relate to me using a digital input instead of analog - new to this though - soo |
| 01:36.44 | markybob | or just use kmuto's :P |
| 01:36.45 | infinitycircuit | snoops, this seems difficult to compile then in etch |
| 01:36.52 | CalJohn | vikestad: I'm about to leave debian (for other reasons, this issue is my own fault), and I'm pretty sure these bugs are inherient in nvidia's binary |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | woodgrain: the other URL tells you how to use it |
| 01:37.20 | snoops | indeed.. I am happy to upgrade to lenny (which is testing right?) |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | woodgrain: or use the kmuto which might be less hassle |
| 01:37.48 | porncake | gone sleep |
| 01:38.01 | vikestad | CalJohn: Hehe, know I'll get it working. Worked fine in ubuntu by default, so :) |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | !tell porncake about away |
| 01:38.21 | CalJohn | vikestad: good luck, bear in mind you can always use nv in the meantime, if you didn't know |
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| 01:39.13 | CalJohn | vikestad: supposedly ati have a couple of cards with nice drivers. if I ever definitively figure out which one, I will buy a few |
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| 01:39.43 | SerajewelKS | why would parted be giving me this? http://www.chrishowie.com/files/gparted_details.htm |
| 01:39.46 | man_in_ltop | yay, new kernel is working :D |
| 01:39.53 | SerajewelKS | i tried to copy one partition to another drive |
| 01:40.02 | SerajewelKS | and now it seems to think the partition size doesn't match the FS size |
| 01:40.06 | man_in_ltop | and the network is working now :) |
| 01:40.33 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: it appears that you have a strange drive |
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| 01:40.51 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: strange how |
| 01:41.21 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: it is surprising gparted by claiming to have an extra cluster it should not have |
| 01:41.29 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: can you detail exactly what you were doing? |
| 01:41.29 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: no |
| 01:41.34 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: the partition does not span the whole disk |
| 01:41.44 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: sorry, s/drive/partition |
| 01:41.46 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: so yes, the drive is much larger than the partition |
| 01:41.57 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: i had gparted copy a FAT partition from one drive to another |
| 01:42.02 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: and resize it |
| 01:42.16 | CalJohn | sizes? |
| 01:42.17 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: apparently gparted did not resize it correctly |
| 01:42.32 | CalJohn | yes, that seems to be it |
| 01:42.52 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: i do not know the size of the original, that drive was failing (which is why i copied it) |
| 01:43.19 | SerajewelKS | i'm wondering if my best bet is just to make another partition and cp |
| 01:43.25 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: If the original drive was failing, the filesystem might have been corrupted and maybe that prevented gparted from resizing it |
| 01:43.44 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: i doubt it. the size is off by one, which smells like somebody made the fencepost error |
| 01:43.46 | CalJohn | Wyzard: I'm thinking that would be surprising |
| 01:43.59 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: I would take it to #gparted |
| 01:44.02 | CalJohn | if there is one |
| 01:44.11 | SerajewelKS | gparted is just a frontend really |
| 01:44.13 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: oh, ok -- I didn't see the numbers, sorry |
| 01:44.16 | CalJohn | true |
| 01:45.01 | |Ryan52 | Why is the apache licence compatible with gpl3 but not gpl2? (can somebody point out the parts of the licenses that make it that way? or just give me a quick summary of why?) |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | |Ryan52: not really a question for this channel .. try #apache or #gnu |
| 01:45.37 | |Ryan52 | okay |
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| 01:45.58 | CalJohn | |Ryan52: the apache licence is fundamentally different from gpl2 and needs a special exception in gplv3 |
| 01:48.44 | |Ryan52 | oh. |
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| 01:50.40 | Nyle | is there a way to prevent m-a from downloading a package? |
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| 01:52.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:52.49 | Supaplex | ifdown -a hehehe |
| 01:52.49 | Nyle | I used the binary installer for fglrx, generated sid packages and installed them. When I try to generate the module from the source, it keeps wanting to download fglrx-kernel-src_1%3a8-4-1_i386.deb version while the version for kernel source I want to use is the one generated by binary installer which is fglrx-kernel-src_8.493.1-1_i386.deb |
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| 01:53.26 | Nyle | I have the package fglrx-kernel-src on hold |
| 01:53.39 | Nyle | still no help, as i don't think aptitude is being used in anyway |
| 01:54.11 | Nyle | so if i could try to make m-a not download the fglrx-kernel-src packge it would be helpful |
| 01:54.35 | wols | Nyle: cat /var/cache/modass/fglrx-kernel-src.avail_version |
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| 01:54.59 | Nyle | 1:8-4-1 |
| 01:55.12 | wols | and you want what version? |
| 01:55.31 | Nyle | wols, I downloaded the catalyst 8.5 pacakge from ati and used --buildpkg debian/sid and generated the fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src pacakges |
| 01:55.36 | Nyle | wols, 8.5 |
| 01:56.00 | wols | purge every last trace of 8.4.1 and edit the file to your desired version, then install the kernel drivers's version |
| 01:56.41 | Nyle | hm, simple enough, anything other than sudo apt-get --purge remove ^fglrx-* ? |
| 01:56.51 | Nyle | for 8.4 |
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| 01:57.45 | Nyle | wols, also in the /var/cache/modass/fglrx-kernel-src.avail_version file should I place 1:8-5-1 or 8.493.1-1 |
| 01:57.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.03 | wols | whatever your version is that you got from ati |
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| 01:58.05 | Nyle | wols, oh modules/source etc. right right |
| 01:58.37 | wols | another thing you might do is remove contrib and non-free and apt-get update |
| 01:58.49 | Nyle | wols, ok |
| 01:58.53 | simmerz | where is the right place in the FHS for a program's jail dir? |
| 01:59.04 | wols | rather provoke an error than give it even the chance to download any 8.4 stuff |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 01:59.17 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
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| 01:59.40 | simmerz | abrotman: I'm reading it at the moment. but I can't find where the right place for a jail dir would be |
| 02:00.08 | Nyle | wols, I ask because 8.493 is internal version for catalyst 8.5 so I wasn't sure exactly hwo to specify 8.5, should I go with just regular 8.5 or the actual pcakge version genrated by ati |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | i don't think there is a defined place .. but i've seen most in /var/lib/ i think |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | but don't quote me on that |
| 02:00.30 | simmerz | ok. so /var/lib/<prog-name> ? |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | what's the worst that happens .. you move it later? |
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| 02:01.20 | simmerz | yeah, i'm making a debian package of something and I'd like to get it right now... |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:01.55 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 02:02.04 | Nyle | wols, Setting up fglrx-kernel-src (8.493.1-1) ... |
| 02:02.18 | Nyle | wols, I think I'll try 8.493.1-1 in the file |
| 02:02.30 | simmerz | hmm, irc.debian.org is freenode right? |
| 02:02.42 | Wyzard | simmerz: No, that's OFTC |
| 02:02.54 | Wyzard | used to be freenode, but OFTC forked off as a separate network |
| 02:02.59 | simmerz | ah ok |
| 02:03.03 | wols | 1:8.493.1 |
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| 02:15.27 | psilocyb1n | and now xorg say cant get busid for 0:2:1 |
| 02:15.50 | psilocyb1n | but my graphics card is 0:2:0 and so says xorg.conf too, why it try 0:2:1 then? |
| 02:16.09 | psilocyb1n | dohh, earlier keyboard didn't work, now the whole x doesnt work at all. :( |
| 02:16.13 | jroes | when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I never get asked to choose an X server driver, but I'm reading some docs that tell me to change these settings. Anyone know how else to get there? |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | remove the busid stuff from your conf files |
| 02:16.37 | psilocyb1n | ok |
| 02:17.02 | abrotman | jroes: you can manually edit the file |
| 02:18.03 | psilocyb1n | it still says, busid not found |
| 02:18.14 | jroes | is this newbie-protection, a bug, or a recent design decision? :) |
| 02:18.21 | psilocyb1n | and if i put vesa as driver, it just gets some "exception", and doesn't start either. |
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| 02:20.51 | abrotman | jroes: which version of debian? |
| 02:21.03 | abrotman | psilocyb1n: can you paste your X log somewhere? |
| 02:21.06 | jroes | abrotman: lenny/testing |
| 02:21.08 | psilocyb1n | how this system can rot this fast? ... i supposed files are divided into different directories with a purpose, that tis kind of crap doesn't happen |
| 02:21.12 | psilocyb1n | hm. |
| 02:21.14 | psilocyb1n | wait |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | jroes: uhm .. there was a bug .. not sure if it got resolved yet .. let me check |
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| 02:23.33 | abrotman | goofy changelog makes it hard to tell |
| 02:23.40 | psilocyb1n | ah, it loads libvm86.so, and then it says bad V_BIOS checksum. |
| 02:23.47 | psilocyb1n | do u really need whole log? |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | jroes: there was a bug ... i doubt it's been fixed in lenny yet |
| 02:24.26 | jroes | do you run unstable? |
| 02:24.32 | psilocyb1n | mine is etch |
| 02:24.39 | psilocyb1n | 4.0r3 |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | jroes: it has nothing to do wiht unstable or not .. it's when you have a fresh lenny install |
| 02:24.46 | psilocyb1n | or what is the most recent stable. |
| 02:24.48 | jroes | sorry, abrotman |
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| 02:25.10 | psilocyb1n | http://pastebin.ca/1044476 |
| 02:25.12 | jroes | at least this xorg.conf is bare |
| 02:25.25 | psilocyb1n | i slept all day, and now i have been wake up all night, 5am here :/ |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | jroes: yes .. i know .. |
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| 02:26.32 | abrotman | psilocyb1n: chances are .. you should go to lenny .. i don't think the i810 in etch has support for 945 |
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| 02:27.22 | psilocyb1n | yes it has! |
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| 02:27.27 | psilocyb1n | it has worked all fine for me! |
| 02:27.31 | psilocyb1n | for all week! |
| 02:27.33 | psilocyb1n | doh! |
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| 02:27.45 | psilocyb1n | 915resolution made 1280x800 res work too. |
| 02:28.10 | psilocyb1n | now it has gone shitty for some reason, thou i have only used packages from stable |
| 02:28.13 | psilocyb1n | :| |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:28.23 | slac1 | hi all!! just one question.... theres no xen kernel on lenny???? |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | psilocyb1n: so what did you change? |
| 02:28.39 | psilocyb1n | just that powerout got it buggy |
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| 02:29.31 | psilocyb1n | maybe it is, that i have this 915resolution, it's a hack, that changes bios, so that instead of 1024x768 it reports the correct res, for x then to success getting it right |
| 02:29.37 | psilocyb1n | maybe the powerdown |
| 02:29.44 | psilocyb1n | made it so that it couldn't revert the changes |
| 02:29.50 | psilocyb1n | -> bad V_BIOS checksum |
| 02:29.56 | psilocyb1n | in powerdown. |
| 02:30.08 | psilocyb1n | cuz it was sudden, laptop battery ran out. |
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| 02:30.29 | Kevin` | how can I install debian using a serial console entirely? |
| 02:30.30 | psilocyb1n | but it worked yesterday... |
| 02:30.50 | psilocyb1n | even after the sudden powerdown. only keyboard wasn't working in X |
| 02:30.54 | psilocyb1n | now nothing works. |
| 02:31.15 | psilocyb1n | how i can configure framebuffer and throw x out? |
| 02:31.23 | psilocyb1n | always x just pain in ass, always. |
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| 02:31.28 | psilocyb1n | since beginning. |
| 02:31.39 | wik2 | :) |
| 02:32.29 | psilocyb1n | only things i miss is to paste text, and also view images properly. otherwise i could use terminal forever. |
| 02:32.37 | wik2 | not sure if you can run eg. xchat on framebuffer but if you can, wow let me know :p |
| 02:32.48 | psilocyb1n | lol |
| 02:32.53 | psilocyb1n | i don't think i could |
| 02:33.21 | wols | psilocyb1n: gpm for the pasting |
| 02:33.44 | wols | as for viewing images, there are a few programs for svgalib or such |
| 02:33.51 | wik2 | yes |
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| 02:35.55 | psilocyb1n | hm, btw, i have i915, not i810 :/ |
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| 02:36.45 | jroes | wow, I mus have gotten really lucky. works! :) |
| 02:36.52 | jroes | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:39.44 | wols | Kevin`: yes |
| 02:40.43 | psilocyb1n | what is the module vm86? |
| 02:40.47 | Kevin` | yes? |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | Kevin`: i thought it was in the install manual |
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| 02:42.32 | Kevin` | abrotman: might be. is it? :) |
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| 02:43.58 | wols | Kevin`: why won't you check before asking US? |
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| 02:44.26 | wols | you know that you're supposed to check google and debian.org first ebfore asking, right? |
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| 02:45.24 | Kevin` | I checked google, didn't seem promising. and it's not obvious in the install guide if it's there |
| 02:45.40 | Okita | I'm getting errors when starting tor that it can't assign the requested address 127.0.0.:9050... is there some kind of debian procedure for that? |
| 02:45.50 | Okita | Could something prevent a service from binding a port? |
| 02:46.16 | wols | Okita: what service is it? |
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| 02:46.23 | Okita | wols: tor |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | lots of things |
| 02:46.42 | wols | check what currently runs on 9050 then try to run tor again and check the output |
| 02:47.39 | Okita | wols: netstat -a doesn't show anything on 9050-- tor gives a different error if it's already running |
| 02:47.43 | Okita | wols: I ran into that earlier |
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| 02:49.00 | wols | without more input we cannot help you |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 9050 |
| 02:50.21 | Okita | wols: http://pastebin.com/m4bddd131 |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | or show us the actual error |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | config broken ? |
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| 02:52.46 | `ns` | I've run into a problem with darcs, in debian/testing . I haven't used it in a few months, and now when I try to do anything with it I get the following error : darcs: timer_create: Invalid argument . any ideas ? |
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| 02:55.16 | wik2 | hi, how you would optimize this? http://pastebin.ca/1044495 |
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| 02:56.11 | killown | I am trying allow port 80 to apache with iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT and it does not effect |
| 02:56.11 | markybob | wik2, k-y |
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| 02:56.19 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 02:56.20 | killown | can anyone help - me? |
| 02:56.40 | markybob | killown, you should probably -I not -A |
| 02:56.52 | killown | I did yet iptables -Z -F -X ; iptables -A input output forward accept |
| 02:56.53 | wols | killown: #iptables |
| 02:57.19 | killown | markybob ?? |
| 02:57.19 | acehigh | anyone got some ideas behind installing debian on a raid 5 system and why it will not see the grub install after installation? I get operating system not found. |
| 02:57.33 | markybob | killown, use -I and not -A. that's probably your problem |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | wik2: #bash |
| 02:57.37 | mmlj4 | iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i $WAN_NIC -p udp --dport 80 |
| 02:57.45 | wik2 | yes i got a reply in #bash |
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| 02:57.56 | mmlj4 | did you try #php? |
| 02:58.08 | killown | thank you |
| 02:58.09 | mmlj4 | or #pythonlusers? |
| 02:58.26 | wols | acehigh: you cannot have grub itself on a raid5 |
| 02:58.44 | acehigh | k in the mbr |
| 02:58.52 | wols | acehigh: it's not just in the MBR |
| 02:58.54 | killown | it not works mmlj4 |
| 02:59.11 | acehigh | wols i know this |
| 02:59.29 | acehigh | wols i am asking why it is not seeing it period after a default install |
| 02:59.46 | mmlj4 | killown: http://joeykelly.net/hacks/linux/iptablesrules.txt # use at your own risk |
| 02:59.55 | acehigh | wondering if i missed something during install |
| 02:59.57 | mmlj4 | it's not perfect, but it basically works |
| 03:00.12 | killown | good script |
| 03:00.15 | killown | cool |
| 03:00.27 | mmlj4 | how do you know? you haven't read it yet |
| 03:00.31 | Wyzard | acehigh: Your /boot partition can't be on a software RAID-5 |
| 03:00.45 | acehigh | its not a software raid |
| 03:00.47 | Wyzard | acehigh: nor software RAID-0, for that matter, though RAID-1 is OK |
| 03:00.56 | Wyzard | acehigh: You have a real hardware RAID card? |
| 03:01.00 | acehigh | yes |
| 03:01.06 | acehigh | adaptec |
| 03:01.09 | acehigh | lvd |
| 03:01.28 | Wyzard | acehigh: And you configured your array in the card's BIOS, not in the Debian installer? |
| 03:01.40 | acehigh | yes i have two partitions |
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| 03:01.57 | acehigh | one that is 109gigs and the other is 36gigs |
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| 03:02.54 | Wyzard | acehigh: If you're using real hardware RAID then as far as Debian is concerned you're using a single disk, so that wouldn't be the problem |
| 03:03.14 | Wyzard | ace2001ac: "operating system not found" means GRUB didn't even start to run, so it sounds like you just don't have it installed in your MBR |
| 03:03.45 | acehigh | right which explains why it completely installs but to me it seems like grub is not installing |
| 03:04.15 | Wyzard | acehigh: IIRC, installing GRUB is something that the installer tells you when it's doing |
| 03:04.17 | acehigh | even though during the installer it ask do i want to install to mbr |
| 03:04.22 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:04.29 | Wyzard | and you answer yes, presumably |
| 03:04.33 | acehigh | yes |
| 03:04.49 | Wyzard | Maybe your system's BIOS isn't configured to boot from the RAID card |
| 03:05.01 | acehigh | its the first in the boot order |
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| 03:05.33 | Wyzard | In the main BIOS? (Not the RAID card's configuration) |
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| 03:05.42 | acehigh | ive loaded other oses on it and it boots fine |
| 03:05.47 | wols | acehigh: is it a real raid card, hardware raid? |
| 03:05.53 | acehigh | yes in the main i have to press f2 to get to it |
| 03:06.07 | acehigh | wols yes adaptec lvd |
| 03:06.54 | psilocyb1n | is there a way to save list of packages i have, i mean if i reinstall, that i can just feed aptitude list of extra packages i had, and it automatically install them? |
| 03:07.03 | Wyzard | "LVD" is a type of electrical signaling on a wire and doesn't have anything to do with RAID, but presumably you're talking about SCSI, so I think it's safe to assume it's a real RAID card |
| 03:07.11 | Wyzard | I doubt there are any SCSI fakeraid controllers |
| 03:07.16 | acehigh | it is using ultra3 drives I know it is real raid because no sata drives are made with the v type two rowed pin connector |
| 03:07.54 | acehigh | Wyzardyes im talking scsi |
| 03:08.03 | wols | !clone |
| 03:08.03 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 03:08.09 | wols | !clone debian |
| 03:08.33 | psilocyb1n | ? |
| 03:09.09 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to set up password-less public key authentication between my laptop and desktop |
| 03:09.36 | man_in_ltop | desktop as client, laptop as server, that works. other way around, it's still asking for passwords |
| 03:10.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Have you generated a key with ssh-keygen? |
| 03:10.05 | WormFood | use -v when you login to get more info, to see where your problem is, man_in_ltop |
| 03:10.11 | wols | !reinstall |
| 03:10.11 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 03:10.14 | man_in_ltop | i've added laptop's ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to desktop's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ... |
| 03:10.21 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:10.33 | Wyzard | then use -v like WormFood said |
| 03:11.06 | Wyzard | and make sure you have "PubkeyAuthentication yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (though I'd be surprised if you didn't, since it's there by default) |
| 03:11.11 | acehigh | going to try a idea |
| 03:11.13 | psilocyb1n | ah ok. thx wols |
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| 03:11.35 | psilocyb1n | should be a linux university somewhere, i would enroll anytime. |
| 03:11.38 | man_in_ltop | yes |
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| 03:12.20 | man_in_ltop | client seems to be sending id_rsa and id_dsa pubkeys |
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| 03:15.58 | man_in_ltop | maybe my keys are broken |
| 03:16.36 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: or blacklisted, if you haven't applied the security updates from a few weeks ago |
| 03:16.53 | man_in_ltop | blacklisted? |
| 03:16.59 | man_in_ltop | what security updates? |
| 03:17.04 | Wyzard | facepalm |
| 03:17.08 | man_in_ltop | :) |
| 03:17.31 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Basically, libssl in etch is broken and any SSH keys generated with it are horrendously weak |
| 03:17.43 | man_in_ltop | sid here |
| 03:17.50 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: sid on both machines? |
| 03:17.57 | man_in_ltop | kinda |
| 03:18.12 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: sid had the problem too; it was fixed about the same time as in etch |
| 03:18.12 | man_in_ltop | i'm in the process of turning desktop's lenny into sid |
| 03:18.35 | man_in_ltop | desktop's openssh is from sid |
| 03:18.50 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: if one of the machines has the updated ssh package which rejects weak keys, and the other still has the old ssh package that produces weak keys, then that won't work |
| 03:19.04 | man_in_ltop | nods |
| 03:19.21 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Get both your machines up-to-date before you generate any SSH keys |
| 03:21.00 | man_in_ltop | will try |
| 03:21.47 | Wyzard | and, SSH keys aside, keep yourself up-to-date on security patches |
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| 03:21.56 | man_in_ltop | i should do that :P |
| 03:22.07 | man_in_ltop | laptop doesn't tend to be on enough to get updated |
| 03:22.19 | WormFood | awww...come on.....weak security makes things fun! |
| 03:22.22 | Wyzard | I update mine whenever I boot it |
| 03:22.38 | Wyzard | (which tends to be every few days) |
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| 03:26.17 | man_in_ltop | ooh nice |
| 03:26.28 | man_in_ltop | "This release of OpenSSL fixes some security issues ...." :) |
| 03:26.55 | Supaplex | updates are for sissies! </taunt> |
| 03:27.06 | man_in_ltop | awesome, that was the problem |
| 03:27.09 | man_in_ltop | thanks Wyzard :) |
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| 03:35.15 | strav | he. Since the use of /proc/acpi has been deprecated, I'm experiencing lots of power management issues on my compaq evo... If I stayed with kernel 2.6.23, everything remained fine until a late update (acpi packages) that won't allow me to correctly resume from suspend. Beside of that, I'm stuck on kernel 2.6.23 for getting any information on my battery status. Now it seems lots of compaq evo users and perhaps others have experienced these issues.. |
| 03:35.15 | strav | . what's the current solution to this? |
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| 03:39.06 | acehigh | Wyzard im thinking grub is not installing |
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| 03:39.35 | PDani | hi |
| 03:39.55 | solid_liq | if I install the 64 bit version of debian, will I have any problems with flash, nvidia drivers, etc? |
| 03:39.56 | acehigh | I ran the install again and when it stated it was installing it said hd0 which tells me its trying to install somewhere that is not there |
| 03:40.21 | wols | acehigh: dd if=</dev file of your disk array> of=mbr count=1 bs=512 |
| 03:40.26 | wols | acehigh: and you will see it is |
| 03:40.37 | PDani | i had a dependency error during a dpkg-buildpackage. i solved the problem. how can i continue the building? (i don't want dpkg-buildpackage to make clean, and start again the whole compilation) |
| 03:40.47 | wols | acehigh: cat /boot/grub/device.map and you will see what hd0 is |
| 03:41.00 | wols | PDani: dpkg-buildpackage again |
| 03:41.05 | hark | /proc/acpi is deprecated? |
| 03:41.25 | acehigh | wols im downloading a live cd right now to find out |
| 03:41.53 | strav | hark, since 2.6.24 or 2.6.25, yes. |
| 03:42.04 | PDani | wols: i don't see the 'again' option in the manpage of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:42.12 | PDani | wols: what does it do? |
| 03:42.29 | wols | nothing cause it doesn't exist. run "dpkg-build package" again. just proper grammar |
| 03:42.35 | hark | strav: what replaces it? |
| 03:42.41 | strav | hark, been replaced to /sys/acpi... but I'm not sure of the mess it involves. |
| 03:42.47 | wols | "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 03:43.04 | PDani | wols: without any option, or with the same options as i did before? |
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| 03:43.23 | PDani | (-rfakeroot -uc -b) |
| 03:43.32 | wols | gives up |
| 03:43.53 | acehigh | PDani he means by itself |
| 03:44.47 | strav | hark: mainly, it seems to me that the old acpi interface is going through a face lift or something... and well if there's a way to get it working or it's so called replacement, I not aware of it... and hence, have locked every acpi packages to keep my system clean. |
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| 03:47.09 | hark | strav: ah, i didn't notice because it's still enabled in debian kernels |
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| 03:48.10 | strav | well I'm using a plain debian kernel and they made the change for 2.6.25, I'm pretty certain. What they didn't seemed to include is this: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ACPI_PROCFS_POWER.html |
| 03:48.34 | hark | yes, that is not set |
| 03:48.46 | gnat_x | does anyone recommend an xmms2 client that runs on the cli that is in the debian repos (lenny -- possibly sid) |
| 03:49.12 | hark | _SYSFS_POWER now it seems |
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| 03:49.53 | strav | hark, perhaps you can clarify this to me: why the change and why can't my system support it? |
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| 03:50.20 | Okita | Hey, the problem I had was really stupid |
| 03:50.44 | Okita | the lo interface wasn't up, or configured with the localhost ip, even tho it was set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:50.55 | Okita | That's why it couldn't bind 127.0.0.1:9050 |
| 03:51.36 | helo | when doing nc -l -p portnum > outfile.tar.gz, how do you get nc to terminate when the sender is finished? |
| 03:51.45 | helo | i always feel odd pressing ctrl+c to kill it |
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| 03:52.19 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with that |
| 03:52.26 | strav | hark, meaning that: /proc/acpi is now /sys/acpi, if I updated every related applicatio?n that should be aware of this (as they should be)... why can't I get the power management functs to work properly |
| 03:52.27 | Wyzard | helo: -q0 |
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| 03:52.47 | helo | :D |
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| 03:54.12 | hark | strav: /sys/class/power_supply/* |
| 03:55.12 | strav | don't have this dir... |
| 03:55.15 | hark | strav: check the bts |
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| 03:56.12 | strav | bts? |
| 03:56.36 | streuner | !bts |
| 03:56.36 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 03:56.52 | strav | ah, thanks. |
| 03:57.29 | chops | So I'm trying to set up wireless for my bcm43xx (hopefully) card, and the Debian standard kernels don't have bcm43xx enabled. Does anyone know the reason (and what it's recommended that I do about it)? |
| 03:57.31 | strav | an acronym for every word. |
| 03:58.26 | streuner | !listkeys bcm |
| 03:58.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bcm' by key (7): bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm4318 ;; bcm43xx firmware ;; bcm43xx ;; abcmidi ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch_r2 ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch. |
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| 04:00.09 | streuner | chops: cat /proc/version |
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| 04:01.28 | ganes | how to find out the drivers for the particular device ... |
| 04:02.24 | wols | lspci and google |
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| 04:03.56 | streuner | or just hcl (/msg dpkg hcl) |
| 04:04.23 | wols | chops: get a 2.6.24 kernel or later and use b43 |
| 04:04.25 | streuner | ganes: but wait, is the device already installed? |
| 04:04.37 | streuner | chops: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:04.46 | chops | wols: Aha! b43 it is. Thanks! |
| 04:04.52 | wols | chops: bcm43xx.ko is enabled btw |
| 04:05.14 | streuner | !bcm43xx |
| 04:05.14 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 04:06.03 | chops | streuner: /proc/version says 2.6.24-1-686 version 2.6.24-5, libc6 is version 2.7-10 |
| 04:06.04 | acehigh | k figure this much out so far |
| 04:06.14 | acehigh | grub is defently not installing |
| 04:06.20 | acehigh | the os however is |
| 04:06.24 | streuner | chops: tell us the whole output |
| 04:06.55 | acehigh | tried booting to dsl just to run lilo -M /dev/sda and it states read-only file system |
| 04:07.07 | wols | acehigh: if it's not installing it will tell you |
| 04:07.35 | acehigh | wols i know it is installing but it is to the wrong device |
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| 04:07.40 | chops | wols: Er... 'apt-file search bcm43xx' returns nothing, and 'grep BCM /boot/config-2.6.24-1-686' gives "# CONFIG_BCM43XX is not set" |
| 04:07.51 | chops | wols: (apt-file returns nothing that's a kernel module that is) |
| 04:08.20 | wols | chops: duh! this is a .24 kernel where there is b43. in kernels before .24 bcm43xx was enabled since back then it was the best suited driver |
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| 04:08.49 | chops | streuner: http://pastebin.com/m15455f7d |
| 04:08.59 | streuner | not pastebin, its ok here |
| 04:08.59 | wols | acehigh: how do your disks appear to bios? as one big disk or as the several disks they are? |
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| 04:09.18 | chops | wols: Yes, you've solved my problem :-). I'm just answering your questions. |
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| 04:09.45 | streuner | chops: ok |
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| 04:09.50 | acehigh | wols one big disk |
| 04:10.23 | wols | acehigh: and in linux it shows as one big disk too or sda, sdb, sdc, etc? |
| 04:10.33 | wols | acehigh: what is in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 04:10.39 | wols | acehigh: what is in /boot/grub/device.map rather |
| 04:10.48 | acehigh | wols i cant boot to linux period |
| 04:11.13 | acehigh | unless i use a live cd which i have mounted sda1 and i see files located there |
| 04:11.18 | wols | acehigh: you got to or you can't fix the mess. and since you installed the crud you can boot to it or you couldn't have installed QED |
| 04:11.20 | acehigh | which tells me it is installing |
| 04:11.23 | ganes | streuner, i am list of device given by tem leader , i have to find the driver for that .. i didnt know how to get it |
| 04:12.00 | acehigh | the point I am trying to make is that grub is installing to """"""HD0""""""" |
| 04:12.01 | wols | acehigh: when you boot via live cd, are you chrooting to sda1 and bind mounting /proc and /dev ? |
| 04:12.07 | acehigh | which is not a scsi drive |
| 04:12.15 | wols | acehigh: it always is and it's right too. even in your case |
| 04:12.18 | acehigh | which i do not have a ide or sata drive installed period |
| 04:12.28 | wols | acehigh: but it'S the one your BIOS boots from |
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| 04:12.54 | wols | hd0 is the first drive your BIOS recognizes. if all you have is the raid, then this it is |
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| 04:13.00 | acehigh | my bios boots off the raid card |
| 04:13.20 | wols | yes. and THAT raid card's disk is hd0 |
| 04:13.22 | wols | as it should be |
| 04:13.30 | wols | now answer my question |
| 04:14.35 | acehigh | wols i know what I need to do the problem is doing it |
| 04:14.43 | acehigh | I need grub or lilo to install |
| 04:15.03 | acehigh | either by booting to live cd or off the netinstall disk |
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| 04:15.05 | wols | since you don't need to answer questions of people trying ot help you, maybe you should fix your problem alone. good bye |
| 04:15.28 | acehigh | wols your the one not listening dude I have told you my problem |
| 04:15.28 | ganes | streuner, 82801I (ICH9 Family) is the device |
| 04:15.49 | wols | ganes: what debian do you try to install? |
| 04:16.07 | wols | the etch kernel is too old for ICH9 |
| 04:17.01 | ganes | wols, i want the package to work this driver |
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| 04:17.20 | wols | ganes: answer my question. there is no such single package |
| 04:17.53 | ganes | then what to do |
| 04:18.44 | wols | you can start answering my question or solve your problem alone |
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| 04:19.59 | n3kl | What is the name of the package I need to build modules and other such? The package that contains make? |
| 04:20.03 | n3kl | I forget |
| 04:20.18 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: m-a prepare; |
| 04:20.40 | wols | n3kl: the package that contains make is "build-essential" |
| 04:20.40 | n3kl | but the requirements for that, I don't want to install module-assistant |
| 04:20.45 | wols | modules are built by m-a |
| 04:20.47 | n3kl | ah |
| 04:20.48 | n3kl | thanks |
| 04:21.04 | wols | n3kl^you will also need kernel-headers |
| 04:21.20 | n3kl | which is a dep of build-essential |
| 04:21.22 | n3kl | thanks |
| 04:21.35 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: unless you're building modules which are not packaged in Debian, you really want to use module-assistant |
| 04:21.38 | wols | nevyn: it's not |
| 04:21.45 | n3kl | correct, vmware-tools |
| 04:21.51 | dondelelcaro | (and in the latter case, I submit that you should package them for Debian) |
| 04:22.04 | wols | dondelelcaro: if I need newer versions (video drivers for example) of what's in m-a, then I do a backport from sid |
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| 04:22.20 | wols | but how do I make m-a use those backported kernel drveris instead of e.g. the etch one it downloads? |
| 04:22.48 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: that would require me to maintain them? |
| 04:23.03 | wols | n3kl: no. the dbeian mainatiner would |
| 04:23.10 | wols | but you'd help him and make his job easier |
| 04:23.47 | wols | dondelelcaro: any suggestions? |
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| 04:24.48 | jetscreamer | comes up with a couple of suggestive 'suggestions'... :) |
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| 04:24.53 | n3kl | yeah, I like having other people to bug, and I don't want to be like that guy that abandons a package, like snort... wholy crap is that old |
| 04:25.12 | dondelelcaro | wols: I think if you install the source packages, it should just build them |
| 04:25.29 | jetscreamer | n3kl: is that like in etch lenny or sid |
| 04:26.05 | n3kl | etch, last time I looked |
| 04:26.20 | jetscreamer | well etch is old, dude |
| 04:26.33 | jetscreamer | !info snort lenny |
| 04:26.48 | wols | dondelelcaro: it doesn't. niether for nvidia nor for ati |
| 04:26.56 | dpkg | snort: (flexible Network Intrusion Detection System), section net, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-17 (lenny), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1020 kB |
| 04:27.03 | jetscreamer | nviida?? :) |
| 04:27.04 | wols | we checked. what it does is getting the 87.76 from etch again and messing it up |
| 04:27.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:27.36 | wols | I had the problem with a user here and nyle had the problem with his ati card |
| 04:28.15 | jetscreamer | n3kl: you could check out backports maybe if you weren't just commenting on how old it is |
| 04:28.35 | dondelelcaro | wols: huh; I would have assumed that it would have used the already installed package; build and install should do just that. |
| 04:29.02 | dondelelcaro | wols: you probably won't be able to use a-i, though. It'll definetly use the right one if you use a local apt source like you should for custom backports |
| 04:29.07 | jetscreamer | nvidia.run>nvidia.deb |
| 04:29.30 | wols | dondelelcaro: so one has to set up a local apt repo just for one's backports?? |
| 04:29.42 | dondelelcaro | wols: that's actually how I really sugest you do it |
| 04:29.45 | n3kl | jetscreamer: when I was looking in the debian repos, etch was 2.2, when 2.8 was rolling out, and snort has quite a bit of changes between versions. Its under pretty hefty development |
| 04:29.56 | dondelelcaro | wols: I don't know if it's required; I'd hope that it wouldn't be. |
| 04:30.04 | wols | dondelelcaro: well, doesn't help anyways since with nvidia drivers the version is part of the package name |
| 04:30.11 | dondelelcaro | wols: but it's so trivial and it gives you the benifit of automatic dependency resolution, etc. that I'd suggest it |
| 04:30.33 | dondelelcaro | wols: m-a doesn't have those names hard-coded, so it shouldn't matter whatsoever. |
| 04:30.53 | wols | dondelelcaro: what about the files in /var/cache/modass? |
| 04:30.55 | jetscreamer | n3kl: etch is old :/ but backportable |
| 04:32.33 | n3kl | dood, unless you run testin, or unstable, debian is old |
| 04:32.46 | n3kl | i'm not too concerned about it now |
| 04:33.04 | n3kl | I have compiled the package from source and everything is working good, but thank you for the suggestiosn |
| 04:33.19 | helo | dpkg needs to use more hippy lingo... "dude, to clone a Debian machine using aptitude..." |
| 04:33.19 | dpkg | You are moron #36, helo |
| 04:33.23 | helo | doh |
| 04:34.06 | dondelelcaro | wols: I don't know about those files, actually. |
| 04:34.28 | dondelelcaro | wols: I'm not entirely familiar with the internals of m-a, so I can only talk to what makes sense, as opposed to how it's actually coded. |
| 04:34.43 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, what makes sense to me) |
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| 04:35.33 | wols | thing is I helped a few people already with nvidia backports (for all those 8500/8600 cards) and before it worked with m-a just fine |
| 04:35.36 | wols | but not this time |
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| 04:37.13 | dondelelcaro | that's kind of odd, though; because it should install the source package, and then unpack it to a tempdir and build it, then install the resultant deb. |
| 04:37.31 | jetscreamer | n3kl: i've run sid since woody, stable is like totally boring |
| 04:37.54 | jetscreamer | know what you mean |
| 04:38.31 | helo | is it safe to remove /var/log/installer? |
| 04:39.04 | dondelelcaro | helo: yes |
| 04:39.08 | n3kl | yeah, I ran testing all through etch, but when something breaks, its sooo anoying if its running on a server |
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| 04:45.27 | jetscreamer | 'anybody' have a url to, i dunno, demographics? of usage of different browsers? a breakdown of usage of different browsers in percentages ... aka what's more popular |
| 04:46.38 | jetscreamer | googles 'browser popularity' |
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| 04:47.17 | Bushmills | jetscreamer: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=dillo |
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| 04:47.45 | Bushmills | pick other browsers as needed |
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| 04:48.40 | Bushmills | like http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=kazehakase |
| 04:48.44 | jetscreamer | http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp |
| 04:49.01 | jetscreamer | i meant all, not just debian |
| 04:49.10 | jetscreamer | but thanks |
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| 04:49.26 | wah | hi. is this true? 'To change the computer to use UTC after installation, edit the file /etc/default/rcS, change the variable UTC to no. If you happened to install your system to use local time, just change the variable to yes to start using UTC.' shouldn't it be "true" both times in this description onhttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 04:49.41 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me i have a webcam lifecam vx-3000 it works but the colors.. you see them crappy all blue and stuff how can i fixed this? |
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| 04:49.50 | Bushmills | jetscreamer: #debian is a great place to ask if you mean "all" not just "debian" |
| 04:50.09 | PhrkOnLsh | wah: You'll need to do some stuff with the hwclock, too |
| 04:50.18 | streuner | TiMiDo: yes, write a driver |
| 04:50.33 | TiMiDo | streuner: i'm afraid i do not known programming that's why i'm asking =) |
| 04:50.46 | streuner | TiMiDo: or just get a network-cam |
| 04:50.51 | TiMiDo | how? |
| 04:51.16 | streuner | What do you mean with *HOW*? |
| 04:51.42 | streuner | network-cams are expensive vs. normals cams, but they don't need a driver |
| 04:52.20 | Bushmills | TiMiDo: turn auto intensity off |
| 04:52.20 | streuner | wait |
| 04:52.20 | TiMiDo | Bushmills: how? |
| 04:52.20 | wah | PhrkOnLsh: okay. i just wondered about this description. if it's okay, never mind. thanks for looking! my clocks are always on utc. they are just not displayed in the correct timezone, so i read this page |
| 04:52.20 | TiMiDo | how do i view the webcam i downloaded webcam-server but how do i view it? |
| 04:52.28 | Bushmills | TiMiDo: no idea - ask Nyle |
| 04:52.33 | TiMiDo | okey... |
| 04:53.01 | Bushmills | auto brightness, that is |
| 04:53.05 | TiMiDo | Bushmills: you do not have any ideas on how to turn off the intensity? |
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| 04:53.08 | TiMiDo | Bushmills: how? |
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| 04:53.58 | Bushmills | TiMiDo: of course i have an idea how to - why else would i have said that i haven't |
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| 04:54.00 | nirupama | When I select i810 The sony vaio laptop takes 1024x768 resolution and also the screen is aligned to left corner not to center |
| 04:54.09 | TiMiDo | Bushmills: how then can you help me? |
| 04:54.09 | nirupama | when I select vesa it comes to center |
| 04:54.21 | nirupama | but the issue is why my screen is not filling |
| 04:54.27 | nirupama | Its 1366x768 resolution |
| 04:54.32 | nirupama | but never takes that |
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| 04:54.38 | nirupama | always sets in 1024x768 |
| 04:54.40 | nirupama | how to make it |
| 04:54.40 | svref | How do I figure out which package has a file named X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h ? |
| 04:54.49 | nirupama | I tried xrandr --fb 1366x768 |
| 04:54.59 | nirupama | and got the message as range out of boundary |
| 04:55.11 | nirupama | can anybody help in solving such issues |
| 04:55.27 | TiMiDo | Bushmills: how? |
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| 04:56.25 | Bushmills | (05:52:28) Bushmills: TiMiDo: no idea - ask Nyle - you may be a bit read incapacitated. would capitals make it easier? |
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| 04:57.53 | dihymo | if roaming changes from iface home to iface default does it ifdown one and ifup the other? it seems i have to unload and reload the driver to change ssids how do i make it do that between the ifdown/up |
| 04:59.15 | dondelelcaro | dihymo: you can't really do that in the ifdown/up; I personally do that in the suspend/resume scripts of acpi or pmud. |
| 04:59.37 | dondelelcaro | (and save which interfaces are up to bring them down, then up again on resume) |
| 05:01.02 | dihymo | how can you roam then? |
| 05:01.25 | dihymo | does roaming actually bring the iface down |
| 05:02.26 | dihymo | i'll have to just find a place to test it |
| 05:04.33 | dondelelcaro | dihymo: usually I suspend my laptop before I move it |
| 05:04.43 | dondelelcaro | dihymo: so suspending brings the interface down |
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| 05:14.52 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 05:15.44 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed jre6, and set as $JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun, but when I run $java I got the error 'bash: java: command not found', isnt it the $JAVA_HOME path? |
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| 05:20.12 | liable_ | eek, what have they done to iceweasel. its been gnome-a-fied |
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| 05:23.35 | bpun | hi |
| 05:23.49 | bpun | anyone heard of libruin? |
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| 05:26.47 | gonzaloaf | hi, can somebody help me setting up java environment variables? |
| 05:26.59 | bpun | gonzaloaf, on what distro? |
| 05:27.56 | gonzaloaf | bpun, debian lenny |
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| 05:28.50 | bpun | gonzaloaf, shouldnt worry .. but if certain apps work with 'em, particularly if you have 3rd parties in ~/myapps or something.. findout what type of java is required |
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| 05:29.29 | gonzaloaf | I need to set up JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME |
| 05:29.50 | bpun | gonzaloaf, what app? |
| 05:30.08 | gonzaloaf | :s |
| 05:30.24 | gonzaloaf | bpun, the java vm for the whole environment |
| 05:30.40 | gonzaloaf | bpun, what happens if you run java ? |
| 05:30.51 | bpun | ~tell gonzaloaf about java |
| 05:31.14 | bpun | gonzaloaf sun's? |
| 05:31.32 | gonzaloaf | repos |
| 05:31.40 | bpun | gonzaloaf, java is a technology |
| 05:31.57 | bpun | gonzaloaf, what package ? |
| 05:32.29 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I want my apps to know where is the jre located |
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| 05:33.01 | bpun | gonzaloaf, read the factoid-- are you using sun's or the gcf model of java's runtime environment? |
| 05:33.17 | bpun | gonzaloaf, aptitude and dpkg are factoid bots.. |
| 05:33.26 | bpun | dpkg, java |
| 05:33.27 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 05:34.02 | gonzaloaf | sun's but downloaded from the debian repos |
| 05:34.04 | bpun | gonzaloaf, was it sun's or the open source one ? |
| 05:34.12 | bpun | gonzaloaf, so package name? |
| 05:34.47 | gonzaloaf | sun-java6-jre |
| 05:34.52 | gonzaloaf | jdk and bin |
| 05:34.53 | defrysk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.01 | defrysk | without the sudo bit sorry |
| 05:35.06 | defrysk | just as root |
| 05:35.21 | gonzaloaf | defrysk, There is only 1 program which provides java |
| 05:35.21 | gonzaloaf | (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 05:35.22 | defrysk | got cought copy and pasting :s |
| 05:35.31 | bpun | gonzaloaf, check if the symlink /etc/alternatives/java with the update-alternatives tool (see if its pointing to the sun's java binary) |
| 05:36.26 | bpun | gonzaloaf, it's so that more than 1 java can be installed at the same time and variables dont need to be changed -- but rather the alternatives symlink pointer.. |
| 05:36.39 | bpun | so that the only java bin in the $PATH is /etc/alternatives.. |
| 05:36.54 | bpun | (/etc/alternatives/java) |
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| 05:37.07 | gonzaloaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.36 | bpun | so if alternatives is in $PATH, java should run.. |
| 05:37.42 | bpun | actually jvm runs.. |
| 05:38.18 | bpun | gonzaloaf-> jdk is for development.. |
| 05:38.26 | bpun | dpkg, jdk |
| 05:38.26 | dpkg | bpun: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:38.33 | bpun | java development kit.. |
| 05:39.02 | bpun | neither do you need sdk (software development kit) .. but just jre or jvm packages.. whatever package is named... |
| 05:39.25 | bpun | jvm is java virtual manager.. or virtual smthing environment.. |
| 05:39.38 | liable | yay, at least they fixed the forward/back keys for thinkpads in ff3 |
| 05:39.43 | bpun | you can always poke dpkg like this |
| 05:39.45 | bpun | dpkg, jvm |
| 05:39.45 | dpkg | jvm is probably Java Virtual Machine. deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free |
| 05:39.59 | bpun | but you said you already installed it.. |
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| 05:40.47 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I never changed the /etc/alternatives/java link |
| 05:40.53 | maxamillion | i upgraded from lenny to debian sid .... broke a couple things but i fixed them but now it doesn't detect if its on battery or not ... is there any way for me to fix it? maybe a parameter to stick in the grub menu.lst? |
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| 05:41.04 | bpun | gonzaloaf, is /etc/alternatives in $PATH ? |
| 05:42.00 | bpun | ~tell gonzaloaf about install java |
| 05:42.09 | gonzaloaf | bpun, nop |
| 05:42.20 | TiMiDo | !phpnuke |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | phpnuke is probably http://phpnuke.org/ |
| 05:43.41 | bpun | gonzaloaf, so add it to .profile |
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| 05:43.54 | bpun | or perhaps it's in .bashrc .. |
| 05:43.58 | PeturIS | =D |
| 05:44.03 | PeturIS | hi |
| 05:44.30 | PeturIS | Any nice http interface for XEN? |
| 05:44.30 | gonzaloaf | bpun, /etc/alternatives shouldnt be in path |
| 05:44.33 | bpun | defrysk, is /etc/alternatives supposed to be in $PATH for java ? |
| 05:44.33 | gonzaloaf | are you sure? |
| 05:44.39 | PeturIS | Which compares to vmware eas... ? |
| 05:44.59 | bpun | gonzaloaf, what type of app you running? and does java already run ? |
| 05:45.22 | Nyle | how do i generate modeline by giving it a resolution |
| 05:45.26 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I want to run iReports |
| 05:45.28 | Nyle | what was the command of it i cant' remember |
| 05:45.33 | bpun | gonzaloaf, type 'which java' |
| 05:46.04 | gonzaloaf | bpun, nothing |
| 05:46.22 | PeturIS | i am |
| 05:46.23 | PeturIS | now |
| 05:46.50 | bpun | so guys, should gonzaloaf add /etc/alternatives to his .profile ? |
| 05:47.15 | bpun | gonzaloaf, and i presume its' a script for iReports.. |
| 05:47.25 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I think I have just to set up $JAVA_HOME |
| 05:47.36 | bpun | gonzaloaf, f* the variables for now.. |
| 05:47.45 | gonzaloaf | bpun, could you echo $JAVA_HOME ? |
| 05:48.00 | gonzaloaf | bpun, lets keep the standards |
| 05:48.03 | bpun | gonzaloaf, is iReports a debian package? |
| 05:48.10 | bpun | gonzaloaf, exactly |
| 05:48.17 | bpun | ~tell gonzaloaf about alternatives |
| 05:48.32 | bpun | stick with the update-alternatives and run java in $PATH .. |
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| 05:48.41 | gonzaloaf | bpun, iReports is not the problem here, the problem is that I have not set up well my environment variables |
| 05:48.47 | bpun | so far you're not even doing what i said.. |
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| 05:51.17 | bpun | gonzaloaf, send in #flood the first line for the iReports runfile.. |
| 05:51.45 | bpun | and add /etc/alternatives to .profile , that's what i'd start from .. i'll tell you if you need vars.. |
| 05:52.07 | gonzaloaf | bpun, ok all add it |
| 05:52.12 | gonzaloaf | I'll* |
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| 05:52.51 | bpun | gonzaloaf, its a cmrc app but thats not a problem.. did you see if that app requires a strict java version? |
| 05:53.23 | gonzaloaf | bpun, -su: java: command not found |
| 05:53.45 | gonzaloaf | bpun, first make java run from a console |
| 05:53.50 | bpun | gonzaloaf, who's talking about su? |
| 05:54.20 | bpun | gonzaloaf, send the first line if its a script in #flood |
| 05:54.32 | gonzaloaf | bpun, gonzalo@gaf1~$ java |
| 05:54.32 | gonzaloaf | bash: java: command not found |
| 05:54.43 | bpun | gonzaloaf, no for iReports.. |
| 05:55.13 | bpun | gonzaloaf, you have to relogin that bash session if you added to $PATH |
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| 05:55.15 | gonzaloaf | bpun, i think you dont understand, I want my system to know where is the jre |
| 05:55.17 | bpun | echo $PATH |
| 05:55.20 | defrysk | gonzaloaf, dud you run as root update-alternatives âconfig java ? |
| 05:55.35 | bpun | defrysk, he has sun's version which is ok |
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| 05:55.52 | bpun | defrysk, he's trying to exec an app.. |
| 05:56.14 | defrysk | oh? |
| 05:56.22 | bpun | gonzaloaf, sun has a standard for the ENV vars.. but you have to check iReports script.. which what am saying about #flood |
| 05:56.24 | defrysk | a jar file ? |
| 05:56.43 | bpun | defrysk, no clue.. he doesnt know if its a script or not... |
| 05:56.51 | defrysk | oh my |
| 05:56.57 | bpun | defrysk, cmmrc too.. he should be paying me lol |
| 05:57.13 | defrysk | oh he needs to contact helpdesk then |
| 05:57.32 | bpun | defrysk, his other java apps dont run he says |
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| 05:57.59 | defrysk | did he install java with apt-get ? |
| 05:58.27 | gonzaloaf | bpun, http://pastebin.ca/1044591 |
| 05:58.41 | bpun | defrysk, his problem is almost solved.. he just isnt telling me how about iReports requirements.. if it even needs that java version |
| 05:59.37 | bpun | gonzaloaf, java is called without var.. |
| 05:59.42 | bpun | line 33 |
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| 05:59.59 | gonzaloaf | bpun, thats the reason because it doesnt work |
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| 06:00.11 | bpun | gonzaloaf, but calling this from X may require to add /etc/alternatives in one of X's config files where it says PATH |
| 06:00.54 | gonzaloaf | bpun, before when I run $java from a terminal it worked, but it was when I used the sun's pkgs, now I'm using the debian repos pkgs and its not working well |
| 06:01.12 | bpun | gonzaloaf, but add to .profile then re-login should run.. |
| 06:01.26 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I did |
| 06:01.32 | bpun | gonzaloaf, echo $PATH |
| 06:01.45 | gonzaloaf | defrysk, yes, alternatives is ok |
| 06:02.43 | bpun | defrysk, he doesnt knows what $PATH is for.. |
| 06:03.07 | bpun | gonzaloaf, ok.. so edit ever java app and type /etc/alternatives/java where it says java |
| 06:03.37 | defrysk | stays out of this..... |
| 06:03.41 | bpun | lol |
| 06:03.49 | bpun | defrysk, i give up.. hehehe |
| 06:04.19 | defrysk | bpun, maybe set $PATH in .bash_profile ? |
| 06:04.32 | bpun | defrysk, that was a joke.. since he's insisting on varibales but the script file clearly shows vars is not needed.. |
| 06:04.50 | bpun | defrysk, y he should at least know about that.. i dont have my machine here.. |
| 06:04.56 | defrysk | does not know that much about java and variables |
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| 06:05.34 | bpun | gonzaloaf, .bash_profile .. i was hoping u could of told me that file isnt in ~ |
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| 06:05.48 | bpun | "that" meaning .profile? |
| 06:06.34 | gonzaloaf | bpun, when I log .bash_profile is not executed |
| 06:06.34 | bpun | defrysk, his pastebin.ca script file was posted |
| 06:06.40 | solid_liq | anyone know what the source.list lines are for lenny's security updates? just changing from etch to lenny didn't work |
| 06:07.09 | solid_liq | (I only have a tty right now, fresh after using the netinstall disc from etch) |
| 06:07.15 | sep | !testing security |
| 06:07.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 06:07.31 | bpun | gonzaloaf, no, it's a script |
| 06:07.40 | gonzaloaf | solid_l know |
| 06:07.46 | bpun | gonzaloaf, #flood .bash_profile |
| 06:07.46 | gonzaloaf | bpun, I know |
| 06:08.27 | gonzaloaf | bpun, but this script is not executed when you do 'su user' |
| 06:08.40 | gonzaloaf | bpun, did you know that? |
| 06:08.50 | bpun | gonzaloaf, are you ignorant? didnt' i say something about su? |
| 06:09.09 | solid_liq | sep: odd, that's what I have, other than the non-free part ... |
| 06:09.14 | bpun | gonzaloaf, you need to run iReports under a special user account? |
| 06:09.21 | gonzaloaf | bpun, no |
| 06:09.24 | bpun | gonzaloaf, i give up then.. |
| 06:09.29 | gonzaloaf | I'm using my current system user |
| 06:09.32 | bpun | we talked about this 10 minutes ago.. |
| 06:09.41 | bpun | gonzaloaf, bye |
| 06:09.45 | solid_liq | sep: hmm strange, now it's working... anyway, thanks :) |
| 06:10.04 | gonzaloaf | bpun, you didnt get my point |
| 06:10.10 | bpun | gonzaloaf, so what does "uname -a" say? |
| 06:10.29 | gonzaloaf | bpun, Linux gaf1 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:10.36 | bpun | gaf.. interesting.. |
| 06:11.00 | gonzaloaf | bpun, ? |
| 06:11.12 | gonzaloaf | !info gonzaloaf |
| 06:11.48 | TiMiDo | !info gonzaloaf |
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| 06:31.23 | maikeru | I setup postfix, sasl, and mysql on a debian server I have here. When I telnet localhosgt 25, it jumps immediately to Connection closed by foreign host (it says before that "Connected to localhost" and then the standard "Escape character is '^]'.). |
| 06:31.54 | maikeru | Does anyone have any ideas? I checked /var/log/mail.err and it says postfix/smtpd[21958]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms, which I Googled but am not finding any working solutions. |
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| 06:33.51 | waldschatten | hmm, so do I need to register now to log in? |
| 06:33.57 | phil- | hello |
| 06:34.01 | waldschatten | Guess not :) |
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| 06:34.03 | phil- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.21 | phil- | it only serves as a DCHP, file server, |
| 06:34.31 | Debian | Wrong channel, try ##windows |
| 06:34.32 | phil- | client boxes are all windows unfortunately tho |
| 06:34.37 | maikeru | And testsaslauthd worked fine. It reported OK "Success." |
| 06:34.41 | Nitricacid | omg i agree with him |
| 06:36.27 | waldschatten | how do I get wlan0 to show up? |
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| 06:37.08 | waldschatten | not listed when i run iwconfig, there's lo and eth0 |
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| 06:37.22 | waldschatten | fresh install of lenny |
| 06:38.39 | sep | i have used aptitude to hold nvidia-glx, but aptitude t i do it still want to remove it. |
| 06:38.46 | sep | when i upgrade |
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| 06:41.50 | WoK | hey, today when boot my box, fonts are illegible, any idea? |
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| 06:42.01 | Nitricacid | adjust your glasses |
| 06:42.05 | Nitricacid | LAWL |
| 06:42.48 | WoK | how? |
| 06:42.59 | WoK | ._. |
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| 06:43.18 | WoK | fonts appears small and black bold, is a bug? |
| 06:45.26 | debian2_6_24_1am | about:plugins shows File name: libgnashplugin.so unable to play flashmovies sick and tired of nswrapper |
| 06:45.37 | gonzaloaf | hi, where is the java classpath in a debian system? |
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| 06:46.41 | debian2_6_24_1am | thats supposed to be about: plugins |
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| 06:55.00 | adv_ | how can i see which services are started on boot up? |
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| 07:09.42 | phil- | returns* |
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| 07:10.24 | PeHe | and what "thing" is giving you this permission denied? |
| 07:10.48 | phil- | ./etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 07:11.22 | phil- | etch 4.0 |
| 07:11.27 | PeHe | phil-: three option. 1. You are not root 2. Your filesystem is fucked up 3. You are not root |
| 07:11.32 | Agrajag- | phil-: because that's not an executable file |
| 07:11.34 | Cufaf | how can i install my nvidia driver (etch) |
| 07:11.49 | PeHe | Agrajag-: haha, true :D |
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| 07:13.10 | EoN | Hi all. Has anyone here used DTC control panel? |
| 07:13.25 | PeHe | EoN: i have. Didn't like it |
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| 07:13.35 | phil- | nano ./etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 07:13.37 | phil- | ah |
| 07:13.43 | EoN | PeHe: really? did you replace it with something else? |
| 07:13.50 | EoN | any recommendations? i'm trying to choose the best open source control panel |
| 07:13.54 | PeHe | EoN: are you using it for Xen? |
| 07:14.00 | EoN | no |
| 07:14.27 | PeHe | EoN: i downloaded Zpanel and make some major modification and new plugins for email and dns. So it's pretty much "own production" |
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| 07:14.55 | EoN | i see |
| 07:15.00 | PeHe | EoN: there are not even single good free control panel |
| 07:15.12 | EoN | PeHe: what didn't you like about DTC? |
| 07:15.14 | PeHe | they are bull shit. That's my hard opinion |
| 07:15.16 | EoN | is it too 80's style? |
| 07:15.41 | EoN | PeHe: this one looks interesting. http://isp-control.net/ |
| 07:15.41 | PeHe | that and it does thing stupid way. It can't be integrated to anything without major modifications and so on |
| 07:15.53 | PeHe | EoN: going to check it |
| 07:16.08 | EoN | PeHe: thanks for the advice about DTC. its appreciated. |
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| 07:18.35 | PeHe | EoN: That's look pretty good. Im just considering that should all soft be in same server as CP. I mean BIND, EMail so on... |
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| 07:18.47 | PeHe | What's not an option in my architecture |
| 07:19.01 | soa | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.16 | PeHe | soa: install perl-crypt? |
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| 07:20.00 | PeHe | soa: or i guess it libcrypt-dev what you want |
| 07:20.24 | soa | where is libcrypt-dev |
| 07:20.44 | soa | i couldnt find in debian repo |
| 07:20.47 | PeHe | soa: libgcrypt11-dev |
| 07:21.25 | soa | yes |
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| 07:23.18 | slxix | oops. |
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| 07:24.46 | soa | PeHe: thanks |
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| 07:25.17 | PeHe | soa: np |
| 07:25.28 | reZo | can anyone direct me to "how to setup a microphone" with alsamixer tutorial? |
| 07:25.36 | PeHe | soa: always when get any error like that use apt-cache search something |
| 07:25.54 | soa | ok boss thyanks |
| 07:26.00 | PeHe | lol |
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| 07:27.45 | slxix | reZo: i don't think you can setup a microphone with alsamixer. all alsamixer would do, afaik, is turn sensitivity up and down. |
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| 07:29.30 | man_in_ltop | and allow you to select it as capture device |
| 07:30.08 | reZo | slxix: ah okay, how would i setup a microphone then? |
| 07:30.19 | reZo | i'm on xfce4 fti |
| 07:30.22 | reZo | fyi * |
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| 07:30.48 | reZo | in alsamixer, capture is in red :/... if that means anything |
| 07:31.04 | man_in_ltop | you plug it in, then you open up a program that uses the microphone |
| 07:31.07 | man_in_ltop | and you enjoy |
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| 07:31.16 | man_in_ltop | if you need to adjust things, use alsamixer |
| 07:31.33 | reZo | okay |
| 07:32.32 | maligor | slxix, alsa's mixer interfaces do a lot more than that, but depends on hw |
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| 07:32.57 | reZo | hmm, how do i find the location of my sound driver in /dev? |
| 07:33.07 | maligor | why do you need to know? |
| 07:33.16 | maligor | alsa interfaces are in /etc/snd/ |
| 07:33.19 | reZo | i'm trying to configure it to work in teamspeak, |
| 07:33.29 | reZo | it's currently set to /dev/dsp for oss though :S |
| 07:33.41 | maligor | can teamspeak use alsa directly? |
| 07:33.49 | reZo | no idea |
| 07:34.49 | man_in_ltop | alsa devices in /dev/snd don't have oss interfaces |
| 07:34.54 | maligor | you can't really point a oss pcm i/o to the alsa pcm devices, the interface is entirely different, usually alsa apps use libasound2 anyway which defines devices differently |
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| 07:35.16 | man_in_ltop | if your program points to /dev/dsp, you can't point it to the alsa devices without specific alsa support in the application |
| 07:35.35 | reZo | ah okay, |
| 07:35.47 | reZo | it has an "other" option to specifiy the location manually, |
| 07:35.51 | nevyn | alsadsp program works tho |
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| 07:37.06 | maligor | can't use a Better chat software? :P |
| 07:37.27 | adv_ | how can i see which services are started on boot up?with better method than ls -la /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 07:38.06 | man_in_ltop | irc > teamspeak :) |
| 07:38.52 | reZo | hmmm, hdspmixer says no dsp sound card found, |
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| 07:39.38 | PeHe | adv_: there is none. And if you had just looked those there as same time you whine about that, tou haave has already done it.. |
| 07:39.50 | PeHe | omg, what typos lol |
| 07:40.28 | adv_ | PeHe: but it's a common task |
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| 07:44.13 | maligor | reZo, you have a RME card? |
| 07:44.27 | reZo | i have: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) |
| 07:44.39 | reZo | that's from lspci |
| 07:44.44 | maligor | hdspmixer is for RME cards |
| 07:44.49 | maligor | which are ... Expensive |
| 07:45.01 | reZo | this is on my laptop btw |
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| 07:46.17 | maligor | you can also ask on problems regarding alsa on #alsa, surprise, surprise, bit dead at this time of day there tho |
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| 07:47.39 | nirupama | lspci shows VGA controller:Intel corporation .... |
| 07:47.44 | nirupama | is that the video driver |
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| 07:48.21 | smAs | someone know how to use samba and vista ... no problem to xp but to vista i get username + passwd prompt and even with the right passwd i can't see any folders |
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| 07:49.08 | maligor | smAs, yeah, you need to enable some authentication method they disabled by default on vista |
| 07:49.11 | rikva | Hi, what to do if the latest Etch installer contains outdated drivers for my RAID controller (areca arc-1200) ? |
| 07:49.16 | maligor | newer sambas might support it too |
| 07:49.45 | smAs | maligor: so it is on the vista side |
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| 07:50.03 | maligor | smAs, well.. yes and no |
| 07:50.31 | maligor | samba 3.0.22 has ntlm v2 support which looks like is what it wants |
| 07:51.28 | smAs | maligor: 2:3.0.30-2 |
| 07:51.39 | maligor | smAs, http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4434907782.html |
| 07:51.42 | maligor | oh, strange then |
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| 07:51.56 | maligor | could be something else, but all I know of is the NTLM issue |
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| 07:52.10 | nirupama | anybdy |
| 07:52.27 | maligor | nirupama, lspci shows devices, not drivers as such |
| 07:52.47 | smAs | hmm i guess its a vista setting to make it save :) maligor |
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| 07:53.31 | ShredZ | Is it possible to set a per-user memory quota ? |
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| 07:54.10 | liable | no |
| 07:56.06 | maligor | ShredZ, with pam I think |
| 07:56.21 | PeHe | can't ulimit handle that? |
| 07:56.54 | nirupama | maligor, I want to know what driver is being used by video card |
| 07:56.55 | \amethyst | ShredZ: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 07:57.02 | nirupama | maligor, how to know |
| 07:57.06 | nirupama | maligor, is it hwinfo |
| 07:57.10 | \amethyst | ShredZ: man limits.conf for more info |
| 07:57.41 | maligor | nirupama, hmm.. can't think of off hand aside from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:57.50 | maligor | if it's Xorg you're using |
| 07:57.52 | \amethyst | ShredZ: that assumes users are logging in through a service that uses pam_limits (almost all of them do by default in Debian) |
| 07:58.00 | nirupama | maligor, actualli I have a sony vaio |
| 07:58.13 | nirupama | maligor, and it should take a resolution of 1366x768 |
| 07:58.30 | nirupama | maligor, but never takes that and always takes 1024x768 |
| 07:58.35 | nirupama | maligor, now how to set |
| 07:58.40 | \amethyst | ShredZ: I think su ignores limits.conf by default |
| 07:58.50 | maligor | well, /var/log/Xorg.0.log might tell you why it's dropping to 1024x768 |
| 07:58.52 | nirupama | maligor, if I select i810 the screen comes to left and right side screen is blank |
| 07:59.05 | nirupama | maligor, if selected vesa then the screen comes to center |
| 07:59.14 | nirupama | but never fills the monitor |
| 07:59.16 | maligor | I've never used the i810 driver so I don't really know |
| 07:59.33 | nirupama | maligor, I have tried xrandr,915resolution |
| 07:59.36 | nirupama | but did not work |
| 07:59.49 | nirupama | maligor, does refresh rates has to do anything |
| 08:00.12 | maligor | I think all laptops should use digital interfaces, so no |
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| 08:02.07 | adv_ | how can i call aptitude from a script? i want it to say yes and not invoke any ncurses config script |
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| 08:04.14 | PeHe | adv_: --assume-yes |
| 08:04.39 | nirupama | adv_, apt-get |
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| 08:05.24 | nirupama | adv_, --assume-yes |
| 08:05.39 | nirupama | or adv_ --force-yes |
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| 08:05.54 | nirupama | adv_, second one will not ask you to give yes |
| 08:07.02 | adv_ | nirupama: i don't see a --force-yes in the manpage |
| 08:07.04 | adv_ | :/ |
| 08:07.32 | PeHe | adv_: if you read those pages you find that you want --assume-yes and -P. |
| 08:07.55 | reZo | i just tried sound-recorder, but it's giving me "Error opening device: /dev/dsp" |
| 08:08.02 | PeHe | adv_: you also find that it is extremely stupid to automate update |
| 08:08.06 | reZo | how can i find out if it's another device? |
| 08:08.19 | slxix | PeHe: we get that question everyday it seems. |
| 08:08.48 | PeHe | slxix: heh, not even supprised :D People try to make Linux act like Windows. Can't understunt it at all |
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| 08:09.18 | adv_ | PeHe: why? and i don't want -P |
| 08:09.35 | PeHe | adv_: rtfmp |
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| 08:09.55 | adv_ | PeHe: no you read it |
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| 08:10.13 | PeHe | adv_: i don't have to. i know it already |
| 08:10.27 | adv_ | cool then tell me why it is idiotic |
| 08:10.34 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.59 | PeHe | adv_: use it and come back after year and we can discuss it again when you have better knowloedge |
| 08:11.02 | adv_ | there is an environment var that disables the config scripts from launching |
| 08:11.06 | adv_ | anyone remember it? |
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| 08:12.00 | nirupama | adv_, --force-yes |
| 08:12.01 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.01 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.01 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.56 | adv_ | nirupama: is that in man apt-get? |
| 08:13.05 | adv_ | cause i don't see it in aptitude |
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| 08:13.48 | nirupama | adv_, yes |
| 08:13.54 | nirupama | adv_, search for /yes |
| 08:14.21 | nirupama | adv_, in apt-ge |
| 08:14.23 | nirupama | adv_, in apt-get |
| 08:14.56 | adv_ | nirupama: ok i'm using aptitude, thanks |
| 08:15.09 | reZo | hmm |
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| 08:15.25 | maligor | you could also use libapt if you use a real language |
| 08:15.35 | reZo | i have narrowed down my microphone issue to that it's recording input from teamspeak as output |
| 08:15.45 | reZo | how would i change it from this to recording input from mic |
| 08:15.59 | reZo | so at the moment, whenever someone speaks, it detects there voice as my mic input :/ |
| 08:17.10 | adv_ | how can i instruct debian to have noninteractive mode for all programs? |
| 08:17.20 | adv_ | debconf itself is interactive :/ |
| 08:17.26 | adv_ | i want to do it from a script |
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| 08:18.01 | blizzkid | Is there anyone here with a howtoforge.com subscription who would be kind enough to download me 1 pdf? |
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| 08:21.22 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody, i got a HP ScanJet 6300C it is detected with lsusb and dmesg but scanadf does not show it |
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| 08:21.52 | TuxCrafter | i dont now what to do now it worked under an other linux distribution |
| 08:21.58 | TuxCrafter | i use debian sid btw |
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| 08:22.05 | TuxCrafter | somebody that can help? |
| 08:22.23 | TuxCrafter | scanadf --list-devices |
| 08:22.29 | TuxCrafter | output is empty |
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| 08:37.29 | TuxCrafter | anybody here using pidgin with irc because the channels do not show in my buddy list anymore its very strange |
| 08:37.35 | TuxCrafter | on debian sid |
| 08:38.52 | pingouin | if you run sid,you know what you do ;) |
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| 08:43.07 | TuxCrafter | pingouin: write a bug report :-p |
| 08:43.24 | slxix | did you check to see if it's existing first? :) |
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| 08:45.53 | TuxCrafter | slxix: i will wait a few days before checking |
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| 08:46.03 | TuxCrafter | it is not so important for me' |
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| 08:46.28 | TuxCrafter | i got some bigger issues right now with my scanner :-p not working anymore |
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| 08:54.42 | Gecko | Hey there. How do I remove a file called "--exclude"? :) |
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| 08:55.07 | iateadonut | buy a new hard drive. |
| 08:55.09 | bootc | Gecko: rm ./--exclude or rm -- --exclude |
| 08:55.09 | liable | iirc rm -- --exclude |
| 08:56.20 | bootc | I'm trying to get a PXE-booted NFS-root Etch system running, but it keeps getting stuck at "Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ..." |
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| 08:56.49 | iateadonut | if my database application main function is too look inside fields for sets of characters (e.g. looking for all fields that have '%hel%' in them) - what is the best database to use for speed? |
| 08:56.52 | bootc | only things in there are udev and thermal, so I can't think that either of those would kill the machine? |
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| 08:58.42 | OpenTokix | whine whine I want to only run debian =( |
| 08:58.51 | OpenTokix | stupid fedora crap! whine! |
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| 08:59.31 | themill | dpkg: tell OpenTokix about debtakeover |
| 08:59.55 | themill | :) |
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| 09:00.25 | OpenTokix | themill: hehe, yeah - I would! unless we are running software written by blind monkeys |
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| 09:00.41 | OpenTokix | themill: works on fedora7, not f8 and segfaults when you try to load a file on a debian-based machine |
| 09:01.09 | OpenTokix | themill: the sw depends on libs depracaed back in 2004 =) |
| 09:01.27 | themill | OpenTokix: fc7 is umm... rather old now... have you hooked it up to gdb to see if you can work out what's killing it? |
| 09:01.28 | OpenTokix | themill: They offically support Fedora Core 5 and RHEL 2 |
| 09:01.46 | themill | neither of which is officially supported any more. Nice. |
| 09:01.56 | chrols | OpenTokix: What sw are you running? |
| 09:01.57 | OpenTokix | themill: yeah, its the previous mentioned lib - also it won't start if its glibc 2.6 or later on the machine, only 2.5 or older |
| 09:02.16 | OpenTokix | themill: but they have a brand new version on the way - supporting FC5 and RHEL 2 |
| 09:02.26 | OpenTokix | chrols: Softimage XSI |
| 09:02.35 | themill | wow. Got to be happy about that. :( |
| 09:02.42 | OpenTokix | themill: awesome |
| 09:02.48 | OpenTokix | but then again I ahve quit =) |
| 09:02.53 | OpenTokix | and starting a new job 3/7 |
| 09:03.17 | OpenTokix | And last night I was running debianbox with Xen and all kind of niceties at home |
| 09:03.18 | maligor | do they still use mainwin in xsi? |
| 09:03.24 | OpenTokix | maligor: aye! |
| 09:03.31 | OpenTokix | mainwin <3 |
| 09:03.35 | maligor | can't stand it myself |
| 09:03.42 | OpenTokix | maligor: no, it sucks ass |
| 09:03.52 | maligor | even motif is better |
| 09:03.52 | themill | OpenTokix: You could possibly have an fc5 chroot within a regular debian installation. That way it's debian kernel and services that are being exposed but you have the ancient libs you want within the chroot. |
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| 09:04.18 | OpenTokix | themill: yeah, but it's all kind of other crap running to - and it need a full X11-enviroment etc. |
| 09:04.31 | OpenTokix | themill: but that is a good idea |
| 09:05.14 | chrols | Too bad I didn't think of that when I was in a similar situation =/ |
| 09:05.30 | maligor | I think I tried softimage xsi trial or personal edition or something in debian linux |
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| 09:05.47 | maligor | darned hard was to get running and then you get hit by mainwin's glorious interface |
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| 09:07.22 | themill | OpenTokix: X is doable that way I believe. Perhaps of relevance: http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot (if you substitute fc5 for debian+kde4 in there...) |
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| 09:09.50 | OpenTokix | themill: ok, reading that howto.... after many years running linux I can only say.. I am amazed what f**ed up shit you can do =) |
| 09:09.55 | OpenTokix | themill: thanks! |
| 09:10.19 | themill | OpenTokix: no worries. Good luck with it... you never know, it might just save your sanity. |
| 09:10.31 | OpenTokix | themill: My sanity will be saved when I quit =) |
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| 09:10.36 | maligor | people actually use kde4? :P |
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| 09:10.50 | maligor | oh.. running kde4 in a chroot |
| 09:10.53 | OpenTokix | maligor: usercommunity.de ? |
| 09:11.11 | maligor | 4.1 is what 4.0 should've been |
| 09:11.12 | OpenTokix | What WM do you run? (not flamebait, just a small poll) - I run XFCE4 myself |
| 09:11.19 | maligor | gnome 2.22 |
| 09:11.31 | Raging_Hog | Debian stable, ion3, xlock. When I come back from lunch the screen is black and there's no response except from power button. How could I narrow the problem down? |
| 09:12.00 | maligor | I just have a 3GHz core2 duo and 4gb ram, so I don't really mind the slight heaviness |
| 09:12.05 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: heat problem, my first guess |
| 09:12.23 | OpenTokix | maligor: gnome, followed by "excuse" ;) |
| 09:12.25 | OpenTokix | maligor: cute |
| 09:12.28 | maligor | heh |
| 09:12.34 | maligor | I love the interface itself |
| 09:12.35 | iateadonut | OpenTokix: " I am amazed what f**ed up shit you can do =)" - like what else? |
| 09:12.38 | slxix | wmii :) |
| 09:13.03 | maligor | atleast after modifying the docks extrensively to fit my needs |
| 09:13.05 | Raging_Hog | OpenTokix: How could heat hang the laptop? Shouldn't it boot if it overheats? |
| 09:13.22 | OpenTokix | iateadonut: Like openvpn thru NAT's and mount your nfs-shares thru hell and high water for your mp3s from home and such |
| 09:13.37 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: Depends, I had a dual opteraon client-machine - it just locked up |
| 09:13.48 | iateadonut | what else? |
| 09:14.01 | Raging_Hog | How did you find out/fix it? |
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| 09:14.23 | maligor | add a temp monitor |
| 09:14.30 | microtux | hey debianese, how r u ? |
| 09:14.33 | maligor | and monitor it while running something that uses the cpu |
| 09:14.55 | maligor | it should be fairly easy to spot if it crashes when temp rises to a specific amount |
| 09:15.32 | maligor | or you could put a pot with water in it ontop of the laptop and wait until it starts boiling |
| 09:15.58 | Raging_Hog | it only crashes about once every three months, and every time I was away |
| 09:16.22 | Raging_Hog | I could log the temp every minute |
| 09:16.25 | maligor | well, you can try running cpuburn on it and see if it crashes after a while |
| 09:16.52 | maligor | but if it crashes while you're away it probably wasn't under heavy load? |
| 09:17.14 | themill | Raging_Hog: opengl screensavers? |
| 09:17.21 | Raging_Hog | it shouldn't have been.. unless screensavers did it |
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| 09:17.32 | adv_ | how can i see the package that a specific binary belongs too? |
| 09:17.36 | maligor | could also be broken memory or driver bug |
| 09:17.42 | petemc | adv_: dpkg -S |
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| 09:18.10 | adv_ | petemc: ah thanks :) |
| 09:18.15 | _AleX_ | hi all! how to know the encoding of a text file ? (iso8859-1, utf-8 ...) |
| 09:18.42 | maligor | _AleX_, try file |
| 09:19.04 | _AleX_ | maligor: i've try file, but the encoding isn't displayed |
| 09:19.08 | maligor | the encodings tend to be interchangeable |
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| 09:19.24 | maligor | and raw text files don't attach specific encoding on them |
| 09:19.30 | dr-evil | damnit |
| 09:19.35 | maligor | I think file just checks for special characters |
| 09:19.46 | dr-evil | does any one know how to determine who uses swap ? |
| 09:19.52 | dr-evil | debian sid x64 |
| 09:19.59 | Raging_Hog | I'll try the cpuburn. In case I don't make it online, thanks |
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| 09:20.33 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: I switched computers after I had monitored the temp with lm-sensors and saw it way around 55C |
| 09:20.39 | iateadonut | you might open the file with leafpad. that's pretty good at autodetection. |
| 09:20.57 | OpenTokix | iateadonut: what else? Do I have to explain fun things? =) |
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| 09:21.10 | iateadonut | any stuff. |
| 09:21.10 | adv_ | how can i tell debian to not install exim4? |
| 09:21.23 | jelly-home | adv_: install another mta instead |
| 09:22.02 | iateadonut | fun things are incredibly fascinating. |
| 09:22.20 | maligor | iateadonut, like donuts and clowns? |
| 09:22.21 | adv_ | jelly-home: i tried that but it tries to config postfix and it it called from a script |
| 09:22.25 | adv_ | it ruins all |
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| 09:22.59 | iateadonut | is there a mod that automakes donuts? |
| 09:23.10 | jelly-home | adv_: a complete and exact log of the failed installation would be more helpful |
| 09:23.10 | iateadonut | (the openvpn thing was pretty good.) |
| 09:23.11 | Raging_Hog | cpuburn raised the temp to 69C in under a minute |
| 09:23.23 | iateadonut | and cpuburn is cool. never heard of that before. |
| 09:23.23 | maligor | that's quite hot for a laptop |
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| 09:23.42 | PeHe | adv_: echo "package hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:23.59 | maligor | Raging_Hog, maybe the laptop cpu fan isn't working? |
| 09:25.15 | maligor | the temp readings might be off too tho, they're never actually calibrated |
| 09:25.22 | OpenTokix | iateadonut: I played around with xen yesterday, it was incredible cool |
| 09:25.24 | Raging_Hog | It's usually at 58C |
| 09:25.39 | maligor | Raging_Hog, what cpu is it? |
| 09:25.41 | Raging_Hog | I don't see anything in /proc/acpi/fan |
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| 09:25.52 | Raging_Hog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.11 | maligor | hmm.. I think my dell laptop has similar |
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| 09:27.49 | Raging_Hog | I tried to disable the screensavers some time ago but xlock man page wasn't that easy. I'll try harder this time |
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| 09:29.39 | iateadonut | cool how? |
| 09:29.51 | sandsmark | is this the right channel to ask questions about the debian helper scripts? |
| 09:30.07 | wols | sandsmark: if not we can direct you to where it is. what debian version? |
| 09:30.26 | sandsmark | wols: I'm building on a etch machine, iirc |
| 09:30.36 | themill | Raging_Hog: the other thing to check is that it's not try to suspend to disk or ram and crashing in the process of doing so (since it's happening when you leave the machine alone) |
| 09:30.45 | wols | sandsmark: and whats the problem? |
| 09:31.09 | sandsmark | I'm getting "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libweb100.so.0 (used by debian/ndt/usr/bin/viewtrace).", but dpkg -S on that file returns "web100-userland: /usr/lib/libweb100.so.0" |
| 09:31.24 | Raging_Hog | themill: suspend to disk should work, I do it every day. And I've left the laptop several times alone for hours (without xlock) and it works like a charm |
| 09:31.28 | sandsmark | that's maybe not a dh-script, but still =) |
| 09:31.38 | wols | sandsmark: while installing or doing what? full output please |
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| 09:32.09 | wols | !info web100-userland etch |
| 09:32.25 | sandsmark | http://rafb.net/p/h2L4Sv12.html |
| 09:32.31 | sandsmark | wols: that's packaged by myself too |
| 09:32.44 | efaistos | do you know something like visio under debian except dia which is, i think, limited ... |
| 09:32.51 | iateadonut | wols: who are you? are you a debian developer? |
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| 09:33.16 | sandsmark | wols: could it be because I forgot to name it lib-web100-userland (or similarly)? |
| 09:33.22 | wols | sandsmark: what's the control file? |
| 09:33.23 | themill | Raging_Hog: hmmm... I'd definitely be suspicious of overly fancy screensavers giving your machine a thrashing and/or opengl effects causing a lockup. |
| 09:33.37 | sandsmark | wols: for ndt or web100-userland? |
| 09:33.44 | wols | for whatever you compile |
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| 09:33.51 | Raging_Hog | What's ironic is that I hate those screensavers and want them away from me |
| 09:33.51 | smAs | somebody know how to i would get a plain text (directory list made with tree) file in a oO spreadsheet or data base without tipping it all in |
| 09:34.07 | wols | Raging_Hog: uninstall them |
| 09:34.20 | sandsmark | wols: http://rafb.net/p/KQmgTJ47.html |
| 09:34.32 | wols | smAs: make it a CSV file |
| 09:34.32 | Raging_Hog | wols: I'll look into it |
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| 09:35.01 | smAs | wols: ok that is a start |
| 09:35.18 | wols | smAs: web100-userland package is what version? |
| 09:35.31 | sandsmark | I have compiled 1.6-1 |
| 09:35.47 | sandsmark | Version: 1.6-1 |
| 09:35.49 | wols | sandsmark: dpkg -l |grep web100 |
| 09:36.00 | sandsmark | ii web100-userland 1.6-1 |
| 09:36.05 | dr-evil | does any one know how to determine who uses swap ? |
| 09:36.14 | sandsmark | dr-evil: top? |
| 09:36.20 | dr-evil | lol |
| 09:36.22 | dr-evil | no |
| 09:36.52 | sandsmark | dr-evil: htop does =) |
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| 09:37.08 | dr-evil | which deb? |
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| 09:37.27 | sandsmark | !info htop |
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| 09:37.48 | dpkg | htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 09:37.55 | dr-evil | thx |
| 09:38.18 | wols | sandsmark: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg254216.html |
| 09:38.28 | wols | !tell sandsmark about nmg |
| 09:38.50 | sandsmark | wols: thanks =) |
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| 09:39.15 | sandsmark | is already reading the nmg =) |
| 09:39.27 | wols | you will have to redo the web100 lib it seems |
| 09:39.38 | wols | and do the objdump -p run on it |
| 09:39.46 | dr-evil | sandsmark: need more help ) |
| 09:40.08 | dr-evil | how to find swap usage using htop? ) |
| 09:40.09 | sandsmark | dr-evil: F2 -> right right right, select swap, hit F5 |
| 09:40.17 | sandsmark | =) |
| 09:40.22 | dr-evil | )) |
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| 09:40.44 | dr-evil | good |
| 09:40.48 | sandsmark | dr-evil: oh, sorry, that just displays overall swap, now I'm out of ideas =/ |
| 09:40.59 | sandsmark | or, no =P |
| 09:41.05 | sandsmark | just look in Colums instead |
| 09:41.08 | dr-evil | but i wanna know which pid used some space |
| 09:41.29 | microtux | hi, |
| 09:41.36 | sandsmark | dr-evil: F2 -> Columns -> Available Columns, and enable the swap ones =) |
| 09:41.55 | microtux | how can i change the language for the manuals ? |
| 09:41.56 | tenzind | hi.. i have a fat partition mounted with "/dev/sda5 /media/space auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" in fstab. I have this problem where i cant change the owner of the file in that partition even as root. also rsync gives me "failed to set permission" while using this partition. What may I be doing wrong here ... |
| 09:42.10 | ska-fan | What package do I need for the testing key? |
| 09:42.34 | ska-fan | Suddenly installing packages from fails |
| 09:42.44 | streuner | ska-fan: show us the whole error please |
| 09:42.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:42.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:43.47 | ska-fan | streuner: http://rafb.net/p/zWkQmn53.html |
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| 09:45.34 | streuner | ska-fan: what happens if you using an official mirror? |
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| 09:46.19 | gynterk | hei |
| 09:46.29 | gynterk | does anyone know a Nokia phone software for linux? |
| 09:46.39 | gynterk | which allows me to manage contacts and files via bluetooth |
| 09:46.50 | gynterk | and messages (SMS & MMS) |
| 09:47.44 | gynterk | Nokia 2760 |
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| 09:48.16 | ska-fan | streuner: for one thing everything will load slowly :) |
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| 09:48.54 | ska-fan | but I guess you suspect corruption in the apt-proxy mirror |
| 09:49.21 | streuner | sure, or do you use a proxy as well? |
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| 09:49.51 | qiyong | is there any tool can convert .html to .txt? |
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| 09:50.26 | ska-fan | there's a transparent proxy too, yes |
| 09:50.31 | gynterk | got |
| 09:50.40 | gynterk | xgnokii, wammu or gammu |
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| 09:50.44 | streuner | so fix that first, if you want use an unoffical mirror |
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| 09:52.37 | ska-fan | streuner: that setup worked the past two weeks |
| 09:52.50 | streuner | !info html2text |
| 09:52.52 | dpkg | html2text: (An advanced HTML to text converter), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.2a-3 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 09:53.37 | streuner | so disable proxy and try to acces that mirror without |
| 09:54.12 | streuner | and use an official mirror :-) |
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| 09:55.00 | streuner | qiyong: aptitude install html2text |
| 09:56.00 | qiyong | !html2text |
| 09:56.13 | streuner | !info html2text |
| 09:56.15 | dpkg | html2text: (An advanced HTML to text converter), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.2a-3 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
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| 09:57.24 | qiyong | oh, my fault, i searched only html2txt streuner |
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| 09:57.45 | streuner | sure, i did the same first :-P |
| 09:58.06 | qiyong | streuner: the other is txt2html however |
| 09:58.08 | streuner | but google helped me :-P |
| 09:58.24 | streuner | just use google, you'll get even more results there |
| 09:58.36 | qiyong | streuner: i just trying with w3m -dump |
| 09:58.56 | qiyong | streuner: html2text should be able to do batch convertion |
| 09:58.59 | streuner | hm, i think lynx or links has a similar function |
| 09:59.16 | qiyong | every CLI browser can do that i guess |
| 10:00.30 | ska-fan | streuner: file corruption as it seems, or a cache expiration problem, thanks |
| 10:01.10 | streuner | np |
| 10:01.27 | _NoxIn_ | Hello |
| 10:01.44 | slxix | and Bye? |
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| 10:02.21 | _NoxIn_ | no no just hello, sorry for the nick change and rechange it was not intended |
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| 10:06.00 | EoN | Has anyone here used VHCS web based control panels? |
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| 10:07.17 | qiyong | streuner: html2text doesn't batch either, i'd use shell loop |
| 10:07.53 | Mundus | How do you adjust the clock in debian? |
| 10:08.14 | themill | !set the time |
| 10:08.14 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 10:10.13 | Mundus | The hardware-clock is set to localtime, and when I installed I chose "hw clock set to UTC" or something like that |
| 10:11.18 | Mundus | So the tzdata config is 2 hours too fast |
| 10:11.28 | Mundus | As well as the system clock, and ntpd doesn't fix it |
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| 10:14.25 | wols | !wayttd Mundus |
| 10:14.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Mundus? |
| 10:15.14 | Mundus | I'm trying to make a permanent adjustment to the time |
| 10:15.16 | wols | if your bios clock is not UTC you shouldn't have told debian it is. go to /etc/default/rcS and set UTC=No in there |
| 10:15.34 | wols | if you want to set your BIOS clock to what your Linux clock shows, use hwclock --systohc |
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| 10:19.18 | sanyo | hi i have Centos and debian installed under VMWARE WORKSTATION.the centos OS has as ip adresse 1.0.0.4 and debian 1.0.0.5 and both have 255.255.255.0 as a netmask and when i start jboss server(8080 port) under Centos it worked perfectly (in fact when i go to firefox and i tape http:\\localhost:8080\ it works) |
| 10:19.18 | sanyo | but when i go to Debian and i start firefox and i tape in adress bar http:\\1.0.0.4:8080\ it doesn't work(i don't see the home page of jboss server) |
| 10:19.36 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 10:19.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:19.50 | Mundus | Is openntpd in lenny the same as ntp in etch? |
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| 10:24.20 | family_ | i have a script to control my volume but this error comes up amixer: Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0 |
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| 10:24.54 | family_ | how can i find what PCM is can i change it out to something else? |
| 10:25.18 | family_ | how do i tell if i have a pcm |
| 10:25.41 | Lagbolt | does it show up in alsamixer? |
| 10:25.46 | family_ | umm |
| 10:25.50 | family_ | let me see |
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| 10:26.09 | family_ | HDA INTEL |
| 10:26.26 | family_ | sorry caps |
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| 10:26.55 | Lagbolt | what is that? |
| 10:27.01 | Lagbolt | so no pcm in alsa mixer? |
| 10:27.18 | family_ | nope |
| 10:27.21 | family_ | lineout |
| 10:27.31 | Lagbolt | hda intel is the card? you using etch? |
| 10:27.38 | family_ | lenny |
| 10:27.55 | family_ | i have a eeepc, |
| 10:27.57 | Lagbolt | not sure, i think someone was talking about issue with intel card and alsa but that was with kern in etch |
| 10:28.01 | Lagbolt | ah eeepc :) |
| 10:28.21 | Mundus | family_: lsmod |grep intel |
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| 10:28.24 | family_ | oh no no i have my card working i just dont know whats going on with this script |
| 10:28.34 | family_ | lets see if i can paste one line |
| 10:28.52 | adv_ | is there a program that will save the X session and every program running currently so that it can restore to this point after a reboot? |
| 10:28.55 | family_ | amixer sget 'PCM',0 | grep "Front Left: Playback" | \ |
| 10:29.12 | family_ | so what ever pcm is i guess its not finding it |
| 10:29.40 | Lagbolt | family_, you might try #eeepc and see if anyone in there has the problem |
| 10:29.58 | Lagbolt | i know on the eeepc i have there is no PCM |
| 10:30.01 | Lagbolt | it is Front |
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| 10:30.12 | family_ | there is a snd pcm |
| 10:30.37 | wols | adv_: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 10:30.46 | family_ | lagbolt what is this trying to grep? |
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| 10:30.57 | adv_ | wols: debian |
| 10:31.01 | family_ | or sget |
| 10:31.06 | Lagbolt | that line? looks like it is just trying to get the playback |
| 10:31.21 | wols | adv_: then why do you ask in #ubuntu? |
| 10:31.24 | family_ | aww okay so what can i switch pcm out with? |
| 10:32.08 | Lagbolt | family_, i dont really know what you are trying to do. can you try to explain a lil better |
| 10:32.19 | jelly | family_: different card models might have different named controls. Where did you get your nonworking script? |
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| 10:32.43 | adv_ | wols: more people more chances to get answer to this difficult question |
| 10:32.50 | wols | adv_: BS |
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| 10:33.11 | family_ | ebay :P, No just kidding i found it on a site. My name controls how can i list thought i have snd_pcm is this the right one |
| 10:33.20 | family_ | *though |
| 10:33.26 | jelly | family_: man amixer. |
| 10:33.57 | jelly | family_: it will tell you what "amixer sget" does, and how to list all the "simple controls" |
| 10:34.24 | family_ | aww okay |
| 10:34.31 | family_ | thank you very much |
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| 10:36.27 | family_ | oh wow i fixed er up. Lineout |
| 10:36.36 | family_ | i did amixer scontrols |
| 10:36.57 | family_ | and got the one that controls the volume or shows the level Thank you jelly. |
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| 10:39.04 | family_ | okay be right back |
| 10:40.32 | rikva | To any site maintainers here, I've found a 404 on http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 : click Debian Changelog |
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| 10:43.52 | slxix | rikva: it's missing more than Debian Changelog. |
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| 10:44.22 | rikva | slxix: Don't know, unfortunately I just need the changelog |
| 10:45.04 | ix | Could anyone recommend a true hardware raid S-ATA adapter with only two ports? |
| 10:45.12 | ix | s/raid/RAID/ |
| 10:45.52 | fireba11 | ix wrong channel ^^ |
| 10:46.04 | ix | how is this the wrong channel? |
| 10:46.11 | ix | it's going to be run on a debian machine;. |
| 10:46.14 | fireba11 | ix try #hardware |
| 10:46.40 | ix | the internet is getting so segmented, soon there is a single channel for each GNU utility |
| 10:46.44 | ix | but, okay |
| 10:47.03 | PeHe | ix: lol, true |
| 10:47.07 | ix | I am sure I will be sent to #linux at some point |
| 10:47.28 | slxix | PeHe: true is supported on #true. |
| 10:47.31 | PeHe | ix: but my knowledge says that there is none and not going to be. There is some 3ware cards, but... |
| 10:47.36 | PeHe | slxix: :)) |
| 10:47.38 | fireba11 | what you need reaid controller with only two channels for anyway :-) |
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| 10:47.43 | rikva | ix: you might want to look at 3ware, or areca (however the arc-1200 hardware isn't supported in debian kernels yet) |
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| 10:48.20 | ix | Well, technically I just need to mirror a drive and the controller needs to be as simple as possible. Plus 2-port controllers tend to be a bit cheaper. :p |
| 10:48.35 | PeHe | ix: but sata raid is urband legend |
| 10:48.41 | ix | rikva: probably won't be an issue, I compile my own ;) |
| 10:48.49 | dr-evil | sata raid is suxx |
| 10:48.51 | ix | PeHe: oh? please explain |
| 10:48.57 | gribouille | hi |
| 10:48.57 | fireba11 | ix it's still pricy .. any good reason not os use software ? |
| 10:49.10 | rikva | ix: then no problem, 3ware and areca have good linux drivers, i'm compiling areca in atm |
| 10:49.20 | gribouille | how can I install a previous version of a package with apt ? |
| 10:49.21 | dr-evil | have one areca |
| 10:49.22 | PeHe | ix: i can't cos i don't understunt it so well by myself either. It just wasn't plan to work |
| 10:49.22 | rikva | fireba11: performance |
| 10:49.27 | dr-evil | nice hardware |
| 10:49.30 | ix | Well, for simplicity's sake. Plus I want to mirror things like partition table, MBR, etc. |
| 10:49.40 | PeHe | gribouille: google apt-pinning |
| 10:49.48 | fireba11 | rikva: to be hones you won't see any difference on current hardware |
| 10:50.04 | fireba11 | rikva: not for simple mirroring |
| 10:50.19 | rikva | fireba11: hw raid can do write-cache and stuff, plus it doesn't use the machines mem or cpu |
| 10:50.23 | liable | not sure if you can hel or not, its linker problems. but its likely just me being dumb |
| 10:50.24 | ix | But thanks for all your help! Will google for some of the controllers you mentioned, rikva. :-) |
| 10:50.30 | liable | echan |
| 10:50.38 | dr-evil | raid 5 on areca with 4 x 1Tb disks |
| 10:50.52 | dr-evil | copy file ~150mb/s |
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| 10:51.17 | PeHe | dr-evil: how long it's going to take to rebuild array? have you tested? |
| 10:51.19 | slxix | !wtf true |
| 10:51.20 | dpkg | true: true (1) - do nothing, successfully |
| 10:51.24 | dr-evil | hmmm... |
| 10:51.26 | pluesch0r | morning. just installed lenny on a new box and noticed that there were no xen kernels available. what am i missing? |
| 10:51.26 | dr-evil | long time |
| 10:51.32 | dr-evil | about 10 hours |
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| 10:51.37 | Raging_Hog | OpenTokix, themill, wols: Thanks for the advice on the cpu/hang-problem. I removed xlock and couldn't install it again, but I tested with xscreensaver and the heavier savers seemed to raise the temp. |
| 10:51.44 | dr-evil | but i could missed |
| 10:51.52 | PeHe | pluesch0r: repositories.. |
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| 10:52.16 | dererk | dr-evil, raid0? |
| 10:52.18 | pluesch0r | PeHe: care to elaborate? |
| 10:52.21 | themill | Raging_Hog: sounds like you might be on to something then. Good luck with it. |
| 10:52.22 | gribouille | PeHe, apt-pinning isn't what I need |
| 10:52.27 | dr-evil | no-no-no |
| 10:52.29 | dr-evil | raid 5 |
| 10:52.45 | dererk | that have sense |
| 10:52.51 | dr-evil | yep |
| 10:52.57 | PeHe | pluesch0r: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free <- that's what i got and i have Xen. But you should really compile Xen from source, trust me |
| 10:53.07 | themill | gribouille: you can't. But you can dpkg -i the .deb files. /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 10:53.10 | pluesch0r | PeHe: i don't want to compile anything from source. |
| 10:53.24 | wols | gribouille: go back to #ubuntu |
| 10:53.27 | PeHe | pluesch0r: can i ask why? |
| 10:53.34 | dr-evil | pluesch0r: LOL |
| 10:53.42 | gribouille | wols, ubuntu is just shit |
| 10:53.48 | dr-evil | linux guy who scared of compiling )) |
| 10:53.48 | PeHe | gribouille: yep |
| 10:53.48 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 10:53.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:53.51 | Bushmills | Raging_Hog: hehe. best screensaver with lcd: white screen. and backlight off after about 30 min,. |
| 10:53.55 | PeHe | dr-evil: :DD |
| 10:54.23 | pluesch0r | i'm not scared of compiling, i don't want to take care of custom setups. |
| 10:54.25 | Sysctl___ | hi, was just trying to install some package via apt and it then said it was going to remove a while bunch of essential things and libraries (libmono, mplayer, and 25 other things), i accidentally said yes and noticed it and cancelled.... but using apt then forces me to continue with the removal. how can i revert back? |
| 10:54.41 | Sysctl___ | dpkg --clear-selections ? |
| 10:54.42 | pluesch0r | it gets somewhat crowded when the servercount reaches 50. |
| 10:54.42 | dpkg | Sysctl___: no idea |
| 10:54.50 | PeHe | pluesch0r: well what comes to Xen it's defenatily product what you want directly from provider. |
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| 10:55.09 | MoDaXaS | is anyone able to reliably install addons in iceweasel (sid)? |
| 10:55.12 | pluesch0r | PeHe: still .. with contrib and non-free, there's no xen linux-image available. |
| 10:55.20 | PeHe | pluesch0r: i guess you have some seriouly maintaining there already if you are using 'testing' on 50 servers... |
| 10:55.23 | pluesch0r | i haven't used xen in lenny up until now, only in etch. |
| 10:55.26 | dr-evil | MoDaX: run good |
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| 10:55.37 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:55.37 | pluesch0r | PeHe: i am not. those servers are running etch. |
| 10:55.54 | MoDaX | mine just does not start downloading |
| 10:56.01 | man_in_shack | my new debian amd64 system seems to be working quite nicely now |
| 10:56.05 | dr-evil | pluesch0r: sorry man ) np |
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| 10:56.11 | pluesch0r | unfortunately, my hardware supplier sent me a server with a hardwareraid card that's only supported in >2.6.20 - and that's not available in etch. |
| 10:56.24 | Tapout | I have 'java' listed in top. It's not getting fired from /etc/init.d/ ... anyone know how it's starting up? |
| 10:56.39 | man_in_shack | i'm wondering, would it be difficult to produce non-free nvidia packages based on nvidia's driver installers? |
| 10:56.49 | slxix | Tapout: pstree ? |
| 10:56.51 | themill | pluesch0r: /msg dpkg kmuto ; /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 10:56.54 | dr-evil | pluesch0r: mb backports could help? |
| 10:56.57 | wols | Tapout: pstree |
| 10:57.09 | PeHe | pluesch0r: but if you download Xen from xensource it has patch for that card also. anyway my apt-cache showpkg linux-image-2.6-xen-686 says that it's available from sources i just paste. Don't know what causes your problem |
| 10:57.27 | themill | man_in_shack: you mean like the ones already in debian? /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:57.40 | man_in_shack | themill, i mean the one that isn't in unstable yet :) |
| 10:58.00 | wols | man_in_shack: why do you need it? |
| 10:58.09 | Bushmills | man_in_probably - for what kernel version, compiled with which compiler version? |
| 10:58.18 | pluesch0r | PeHe: ah yes, that might be the culprit. i'm on amd64. |
| 10:58.27 | man_in_shack | because i have a 9600gt and 2.6.25 kernel. i can patch the older driver for 2.6.25, but not for 9600gt support :) |
| 10:58.49 | PeHe | pluesch0r: aah, yep, defenatily |
| 10:58.54 | Bushmills | man_in_shack: for them to be installable on more than one system, i expect problems |
| 10:59.14 | man_in_shack | so far i only have one amd64 version of debian |
| 10:59.26 | man_in_shack | i just want it to integrate with apt :) |
| 10:59.47 | pluesch0r | well .. |
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| 10:59.51 | pluesch0r | that's bad. really bad. |
| 11:00.00 | PeHe | pluesch0r: no no, compile from source dude.. |
| 11:00.17 | PeHe | you can always make .deb for that if it makes you happier :DD |
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| 11:00.23 | pluesch0r | i know. |
| 11:00.30 | pluesch0r | i just don't want to. |
| 11:00.36 | pluesch0r | after all, what am i using a distro for? |
| 11:00.49 | man_in_shack | pluesch0r, don't make me mention slackware ;) |
| 11:00.58 | PeHe | pluesch0r: after all dude, seriously. You don't have to update Xen at all ever never if you don't want to. |
| 11:01.14 | pluesch0r | man_in_shack: guess why i'm using debian. |
| 11:01.18 | PeHe | pluesch0r: so stop that whining and do what people told. I have used Debian + Xen so many years that i know what im talking about |
| 11:01.27 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 11:01.35 | pluesch0r | PeHe: okay. got a link on how to install xen manually? |
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| 11:04.00 | man_in_shack | so is there some simple way i can debianise the nvidia driver package? |
| 11:04.36 | dr-evil | why? |
| 11:04.38 | PeHe | pluesch0r: 1) Download it. 2) apt-get install pciutils libssl-dev python-dev libx11-dev gettext iproute bridge-utils build-essential ncurses-dev pciutils-dev openssh-server libc6-xen mercurial gawk 3) Extract xen and move that folder 4) hg clone http://xenbits.xensource.com/linux-2.6.18-xen.hg 5) make all 6) ./install.sh 7) Do changes to menu.lst 8) boot |
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| 11:05.07 | pluesch0r | PeHe: thanks. |
| 11:05.21 | PeHe | pluesch0r: i got my own script but it's so ugly that don't want to share it. But it does that |
| 11:05.27 | pluesch0r | ok |
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| 11:07.50 | skion | /msg dpkg bts |
| 11:08.14 | pluesch0r | PeHe: what does that hg clone command do? |
| 11:08.24 | pluesch0r | does that fetch a xenified kernel? |
| 11:08.26 | PeHe | pluesch0r: it download xen patched kernel |
| 11:08.34 | PeHe | exatcly |
| 11:08.37 | pluesch0r | ok |
| 11:09.22 | pluesch0r | i don't quite get the presence of the whole xen packages in the amd64 repository, though. |
| 11:09.45 | pluesch0r | if you have to build xen anyways since there's no kernel, why bother and keep the other xen packages in the repo? |
| 11:09.56 | PeHe | pluesch0r: you should not |
| 11:10.18 | PeHe | pluesch0r: remove all xen packages from repo and use tools/kernel/hypervisor from source. |
| 11:10.26 | pluesch0r | ok |
| 11:10.33 | NetNiet | Tring to setup a usb-wifi-zd1211: on insert the syslog say's zd1211rw 1-1:1.0: eth1 BUT iwconfig shows eth2 802.11g. zd1211 |
| 11:10.59 | PeHe | pluesch0r: and like i say. You donät have to update xen if you don't want to. Xen 3.2.1 support domU kernel above 2.6.23 |
| 11:11.12 | pluesch0r | ok |
| 11:11.28 | dr-evil | is it really to setup a 2k3 on a xen? |
| 11:12.04 | man_in_shack | NetNiet, that's probably due to udev persistent naming of network cards |
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| 11:12.33 | man_in_shack | NetNiet, syslog shows pre-rename interface name, iwconfig shows post-rename interface name |
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| 11:13.43 | man_in_shack | ponders |
| 11:14.11 | man_in_shack | should i install the nvidia driver from their website without trying to debianise it? |
| 11:14.48 | dr-evil | man_in_shack: why you need debianize? |
| 11:14.55 | pumpkin0 | man_in_shack: there is a debian-version in the repo (for some debian versions) which works. |
| 11:15.01 | dr-evil | you could use m-a |
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| 11:15.17 | man_in_shack | guys, unstable doesn't have the latest driver, which is the one i need |
| 11:15.41 | man_in_shack | only has 169.12, not 173.14.05 |
| 11:15.51 | dr-evil | so use as is |
| 11:15.51 | pumpkin0 | man_in_shack: then carefully remove the debian-nvidia package and install the website-edition. |
| 11:16.23 | man_in_shack | and what happens when/if debian packages the driver? is it safe to just install that through apt? |
| 11:17.20 | pluesch0r | PeHe: what do i do if there's no libc6-xen available for amd64 on lenny? |
| 11:17.23 | pumpkin0 | man_in_shack: the drivers are tuned a bit to match the debian file layout and config. Also xorg.conf gets an update. The debian-nvidia-package kills the website-package if you leave the config-files in /etc/. |
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| 11:17.45 | man_in_shack | pumpkin0, so was that a "yes, it's safe"? |
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| 11:18.07 | pumpkin0 | man_in_shack: usually: yes. But with sid you don't get a warranty. |
| 11:18.16 | man_in_shack | of course |
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| 11:18.50 | man_in_shack | you don't hear me say "if it breaks, i'll sue you then kill you, or kill you then sue you, whichever's easier" |
| 11:18.58 | pumpkin0 | man_in_shack: but make sure the debian-nvidia package is 100% gone before installing the other one. |
| 11:19.16 | man_in_shack | pumpkin0, that should be easy, because it's not installed at all :) |
| 11:19.43 | man_in_shack | i've only installed nv so far |
| 11:19.46 | dr-evil | man, what ther problem? install bin ) |
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| 11:23.42 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: yes, I ran a 3d-intensive screensaver and it ran one of my CPU's to 100%. I switched to alot lighter one now and its very much smoother. |
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| 11:23.50 | man_in_shack | i've forgotten what the nvidia driver package is like. installing from apt is so much easier :P |
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| 11:28.48 | basix | how do i install debian when i dont have a CDROM in the target machine. I have downloaded the debian-testing DVD1. |
| 11:28.56 | wols | !d-i |
| 11:28.56 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 11:29.16 | wols | basix: do you have an OS arelady running if so, which? |
| 11:30.20 | Luke771 | my system only sees one video card (I have 2 PCI-E cards connected to three monitors). The monitor #1 on the main card works erfectly and uses the nVidia driver but the system doesnt see the secondary card and monitors #2 and #3. I have edited xorg-conf and dupilicated the entrys for cards and monitors but it didnt work |
| 11:30.39 | basix | wols, i do have win 2k3 on the machine. but i have another machine ( Fedora ). |
| 11:30.51 | wols | basix: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 11:30.53 | PeHe | basix: maybe you can use usb-stick? |
| 11:30.56 | wols | basix: |
| 11:30.59 | Luke771 | I've been googleing for a howto for a while but I can't find the one I need, most are about dual monitor on one card |
| 11:31.04 | wols | it's not officially supported however |
| 11:31.28 | wols | Luke771: have you set proper busid's for each? |
| 11:31.28 | basix | wols, isn' there a way where i can extract the contents of the debian dvd on the other machine and point the installer to copy the required files using HTTP / NFS?? |
| 11:31.47 | basix | wols, thats how Ubuntu, Fedora etc... do a "network install" |
| 11:31.59 | Luke771 | i have changed the bus id for the second one but I have no idea if i've done that properly wols |
| 11:32.04 | PeHe | actually that goodbye.. works. have done it myself |
| 11:32.06 | wols | basix: what OS is on the PC you want to install linux on? |
| 11:32.09 | Luke771 | wait I'll see how it looks and post it |
| 11:32.22 | basix | wols, windows server 2003 |
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| 11:32.47 | slxix | i installed debian from a usb stick when i only had a windows computer available. |
| 11:33.11 | wols | then goodbye-microsoft it is, cause you cannot get a linux kernel to run there which would be the basisi of a "network install" as you describe it. and no ubuntu only can use WUBI in your case which wouldn't do a "proper" install |
| 11:33.50 | wols | or of course installation from usb stick if your BIOS can boot from it |
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| 11:34.06 | Luke771 | wols the card configured by dpkg had bus id PCI:1:0:0 so I copied the section and changed it to PCI:1:0:1 |
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| 11:34.24 | wols | Luke771: that is utterly wrong. check lspci for bus ids |
| 11:34.34 | Luke771 | k |
| 11:34.39 | basix | wols, i have booted debian installer via the USB stick but i wasn't able to do the install |
| 11:34.48 | PeHe | wols: well i think there are not today any computer what don't support boot from usb. or if you have that kind of computer it won't propably run w2k3 :) |
| 11:35.17 | Luke771 | wols what about screen and monitor sections? do I have to moltiply those x3? change something? |
| 11:35.28 | slxix | i think i had syslinux boot the netinst.iso |
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| 11:35.39 | NetNiet | man_in_ltop: Ok what name should i use in interfaces ? |
| 11:35.49 | PeHe | basix: you can always use gPXE if you want todo that http/ftp install |
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| 11:36.03 | basix | PeHe, but how? |
| 11:36.06 | PeHe | basix: but it's way more harder then goddbye... |
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| 11:36.23 | slxix | basix: why didn't netinstall work? |
| 11:36.30 | wols | basix: read the debian installer manual which I gave you LONG ago |
| 11:36.54 | basix | wols, i want to do this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2493&postcount=2 |
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| 11:37.35 | basix | wols, i read the installer manual and created a bootable USB stick using the netboot.tar.gz but then the installer asked for a debian archive |
| 11:37.37 | wols | basix: you need a CD for that |
| 11:37.41 | Luke771 | OK I found it, thx wols |
| 11:37.47 | wols | basix: so give him one |
| 11:38.05 | wols | basix: most important thing there is "I haven't tried this yet with Ubuntu" |
| 11:38.28 | wols | cause it will fail: you need a proper apt repository or it won't work |
| 11:38.32 | basix | wols, problem is that my internet connection is slow and i couldn't use the extracted debian dvd ( on another machine ) as an archive source |
| 11:38.35 | wols | that apt repo can be local of course |
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| 11:39.26 | wols | !tell basix about apt-mirror |
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| 11:40.06 | basix | slxix, i'm a little confused with the netinstall. with other distributions ( including Ubuntu which is based on debian ) the HTTP source can be an extracted DVD iso but i dont understand why the same doesn't hold true with debian..? |
| 11:40.19 | wols | basix: no it cannot be |
| 11:40.34 | wols | basix: this posting you gave didn't even try it on ubuntu |
| 11:40.47 | slxix | basix: i'm not quite sure what you're saying. |
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| 11:41.21 | malebria | I'm building a package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b, that I have downloaded with apt-get source and made some changes in the source. I'd like to have a diferent revision of the package, as make-kpkg would take as a parameter. How can I do this with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:41.29 | malebria | Do I need to edit debian/changelog? |
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| 11:41.37 | dr-evil | yep |
| 11:41.55 | basix | wols, i have a fedora server on the network. if i setup an apt repo using the downloaded debian DVD will the netboot installer accept that as an archive source? |
| 11:42.04 | wols | basix: of course |
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| 11:42.26 | wols | basix: provided the debian PC has access to the fedora one |
| 11:42.33 | basix | wols, yes it does |
| 11:43.26 | basix | wols, how do i setup the apt repo on the fedora server? IIRC i can do apt-cdrom add only if that CDROM is configured to work with the fedora install... |
| 11:43.31 | slxix | why would you want to mirror a distribution on a local computer if you're only going to use it for one computer? |
| 11:44.16 | basix | slxix, because my DVDROM doesn't work on the other machine and its a laptop so i can't even connect a separate DVDROM to it. |
| 11:44.31 | wols | basix: if you doN#t read dpg factoids you were given I won't talk to you anymore either. goodbye |
| 11:44.49 | wols | *dpkg |
| 11:45.16 | basix | wols, i have read about apt-mirror |
| 11:45.20 | slxix | are you still planning a net install? |
| 11:45.55 | basix | slxix, yes...why not? |
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| 11:47.05 | slxix | then just use netinstall. no need to think about it. once you've started the installer, it almost spoon feeds you the rest. |
| 11:47.20 | PeHe | basix: why do you want to do this hard way? Just install the god damn goodbye..or use usb-stick and add repo and that's it. You don't need any fucking local repo or so on |
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| 11:48.00 | slxix | the installer knows repo's. |
| 11:48.05 | PeHe | yes it knows |
| 11:48.13 | PeHe | it even ask what country mirror you want to use |
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| 11:48.40 | basix | PeHe, slxix, the whole problem is that my internet connection is really slow and capped so i'm going about it the hard way...! |
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| 11:49.12 | PeHe | basix: well the netinstall is going to download something like 50Mb. So if you don't have modem it's faster download then setup repo |
| 11:49.46 | basix | PeHe, can't i setup a repo using the already existing debian DVD? |
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| 11:50.02 | AMorozov | Hi! |
| 11:50.10 | PeHe | basix: of course you can, but if you have this much difficulties to setup the base system i suggest you to forget about own repo |
| 11:50.12 | slxix | i used to run netinstall and let it download over night. |
| 11:50.33 | PeHe | i dont mean it bad way. it just the way thing are |
| 11:50.38 | slxix | sometimes i'd wake up and it'd still be downloading. |
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| 11:51.04 | basix | PeHe, i was thinking about setting up the repo on a different system |
| 11:51.10 | PeHe | basix: and when you have base system up you can do some weird mount over net that cdrom |
| 11:51.19 | AMorozov | How can I define a configuration file in a deb-package so that installation process would overwrite the previous version of this config upon upgrade? |
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| 11:52.08 | AMorozov | Now upgrades puts the new file near the original one with .dist-pkg extension. |
| 11:53.25 | slxix | you could move hard drives between computers. :) |
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| 11:54.45 | basix | slxix, PeHe: see this http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-locally-over-the-network/ |
| 11:55.20 | basix | slxix, PeHe: pay careful attention to the last part -> entering the archive details manually... |
| 11:55.35 | basix | slxix, PeHe: this will be the easiest for me... |
| 11:55.41 | stew | AMorozov: you'd have to not mark the files as conffiles. is this being built with debhelper? |
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| 11:58.27 | Bert_2 | Hi, does anyone know of frontpage 2000 works with apache webdav ? |
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| 11:59.08 | AMorozov | stew: hmm... Is this the only way? I know rpm has a bunch of options for that sort of things, lilke %config(noreplace) etc? |
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| 12:01.20 | dc2447 | Installing etch on a dell pc with a 82566DM-2 GIG card after I modproble e1000 (the right module for this card) - lspci shows an unknown device - any hints |
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| 12:02.04 | stew | AMorozov: yes, this is the only way. you don't want this files marked as conffiles becuase the very definition of a conffile is a file that gets this automatic handling by dpkg |
| 12:02.24 | stew | AMorozov: note that conffile is different than configuration file |
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| 12:04.29 | stew | AMorozov: you also might want to look at using ucf to manage the conffile |
| 12:05.04 | stew | AMorozov: (which would give you options to always replace, for instance) |
| 12:06.51 | XTZGZoReX | Could anyone assist me in setting up vnc on my Debian server (remote, I currently use SSH)? |
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| 12:08.22 | slxix | XTZGZoReX: you're probably not going to get any help unless you ask a more specific question. :) |
| 12:08.31 | AMorozov | stew: can I safely remove this attribute (conffile) if the file in previous releases of the package has it? I /heard/ that RPM could break (or "do not behave well") in such situations. What about dpkg? |
| 12:08.35 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: apt-get install vncserver |
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| 12:09.41 | Wesley | I'm booting from a live cd and I suspect trouble with mone of my two HDD's, how do I scan them? |
| 12:09.46 | Wesley | mone = one |
| 12:09.58 | stew | AMorozov: i doubt it would be a problem |
| 12:10.12 | PeHe | Wesley: and what is this problem? |
| 12:10.29 | AMorozov | Ok, thank you, I'll make a try... |
| 12:10.31 | streuner | Wesley: what kind of problem? |
| 12:10.44 | stew | AMorozov: are you sure that always overwriting is the right thing? perhaps a 3-way merge is correct? |
| 12:10.44 | PeHe | when you people learn howto make proper error report |
| 12:10.48 | stew | AMorozov: what package is this? |
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| 12:10.51 | streuner | Wesley: and what kind of LIVE-CD do you use? |
| 12:11.11 | XTZGZoReX | PeHe: yes ;) I guessed that so far |
| 12:11.31 | XTZGZoReX | slxix: basically, adding a user is my question - and connecting + starting a kde session? |
| 12:11.38 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: ok. Maybe you then wan't to read man pages or even command 'vncserver' |
| 12:13.00 | AMorozov | It's our custom package (not in any public deb. repository). I think yes, it would be safe (and actually much safer than the current situation) to overwrite it completely. |
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| 12:13.20 | AMorozov | Thank you once again |
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| 12:13.36 | slxix | XTZGZoReX: i've never used vnc. |
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| 12:14.06 | XTZGZoReX | I see. |
| 12:14.06 | PeHe | slxix: i used it on my first linux server like 8 years ago. It's defenatily one piece of shit :) |
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| 12:14.29 | slxix | oh, i take that back. i use it at work. |
| 12:14.32 | slxix | sniffles. |
| 12:14.41 | PeHe | but i can't see the problem here. If it hasn't changed that much all you nede to do is command 'vncserver' and it will ask password for that and it's ready to be used |
| 12:15.11 | PeHe | i use it on Xen HVM domU:'s but i don't count that |
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| 12:15.35 | MrBrush_ | I wish to do 'ls' - which parameters should I input tp get the last edited file at the bottom? |
| 12:16.16 | XTZGZoReX | PeHe: so when I want to login, I specify my server's ip+port, and a user (root, maybe?) and the password I gave it? |
| 12:16.42 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: it does not ask user. It only ask the pass what you have just set |
| 12:16.51 | XTZGZoReX | okay |
| 12:17.00 | XTZGZoReX | what vnc client should I use? |
| 12:17.06 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: so you are asking here howto use it even before you have even try how it works? That's pretty impressive :) |
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| 12:17.21 | XTZGZoReX | eh? |
| 12:17.48 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: i don't know. Anyone? i have used vncviewer on Win and "Terminal server client" on *NIX |
| 12:17.53 | NetNiet | MrBrush: ls -lrt thast l for long t for sort by time and r = reverse |
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| 12:18.29 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: my point is that if you have had just try to use it before you come here and ask help it would be done already |
| 12:19.04 | XTZGZoReX | .. err, how so |
| 12:19.21 | PeHe | XTZGZoReX: cos it's not that hard |
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| 12:20.05 | gener1c | humz |
| 12:20.10 | gener1c | there is no ocr channel |
| 12:20.18 | gener1c | anyone here uses hocr? |
| 12:20.30 | XTZGZoReX | http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=vnc-tight&filename=tightvnc-1.3.9-setup.exe&use_mirror=kent -- is this the vnc you talked about, PeHe? |
| 12:20.34 | slxix | XTZGZoReX: why is vnc your best option? X is designed with the network in mind. |
| 12:21.07 | XTZGZoReX | slxix: need to keep some apps open when i logout |
| 12:21.23 | PeHe | how do i see what program is using partition? I mean i get "umount: /foo: device is busy" |
| 12:21.41 | stew | PeHe: fuser -m /mountpoint |
| 12:21.58 | stew | XTZGZoReX: are the apps graphical or cli? |
| 12:22.11 | XTZGZoReX | stew: wineconsole windows app :) |
| 12:22.39 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i don't know of a way that you can keep a graphical app running after you logout |
| 12:22.46 | PeHe | stew: thanks. Just figure out that lsof done the trick also |
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| 12:22.58 | DexterF | hi |
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| 12:23.36 | XTZGZoReX | stew: shouldnt vnc automatically keep stuffs open when i logout |
| 12:23.55 | nirupama | Hi all |
| 12:24.10 | DexterF | about ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST in menu.lst - there's no ### BEGIN.... so what if I want a non debian entry *before* the debian entries? |
| 12:24.14 | nirupama | My Xor0.log file |
| 12:24.16 | nirupama | shows vesa |
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| 12:24.26 | XTZGZoReX | What port does vncserver normally run on? |
| 12:24.33 | abrotman | usually 5900 |
| 12:24.35 | abrotman | and 5901 |
| 12:24.39 | XTZGZoReX | ah, k |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | DexterF: paste your whole file in a pastebin |
| 12:24.44 | nirupama | how to know what driver is needed for my graphics card |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | nirupama: which card do you have? |
| 12:24.56 | wols | nirupama: what chip? |
| 12:25.09 | nirupama | abrotman, wols lspci shows |
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| 12:25.14 | bbinotto | hi, apache folks adviced me to ask here: I have an apache listening on port 444 (according to netstat), but telnet localost 444 says: connection refused |
| 12:25.18 | wols | nirupama: then tell us? |
| 12:25.22 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: cant seem to connect on any of those - where can I check my conf files? |
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| 12:25.27 | bbinotto | iptables is stopped |
| 12:25.33 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: if there are any, containing the port |
| 12:25.45 | wols | bbinotto: unlikely. don't you mean port 443? |
| 12:25.56 | nirupama | lspci shows VGA controller:Intel corporation .... |
| 12:25.58 | nirupama | wolffc, |
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| 12:26.00 | nirupama | wols, |
| 12:26.03 | bbinotto | wols: no, it's a second apache configured on port 444 |
| 12:26.06 | wols | nirupama: which one? |
| 12:26.12 | BW^- | when i put the installer image on a flash USB stick, i get "Error loading operating system" =( |
| 12:26.17 | BW^- | what do? |
| 12:26.19 | wols | bbinotto: check the logs for this apache then |
| 12:26.33 | bbinotto | wols: logs don't report any errors |
| 12:26.37 | bbinotto | wols: tcp6 0 0 :::444 :::* LISTEN 0 6858 3965/apache |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: read the documentation .. no idea where your conf file is |
| 12:27.04 | pumpkin0 | BW^-: enable booting for USB-devices in the BIOS (if the board supports that) |
| 12:27.18 | DexterF | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1044774 pretty much a normal menu.lst. |
| 12:27.23 | nirupama | wols, it shows VGA Compatable Controller:Intel corporat Mobile 945GM/GMS,943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controllerion |
| 12:27.25 | BW^- | pumpkin0: it's a lenovo x61. i think i heard people have had probs with it. |
| 12:27.34 | wols | nirupama: i810 then |
| 12:27.40 | pumpkin0 | BW^-: yes, but you still need to enable the option. |
| 12:27.42 | BW^- | pumpkin0: but, that it shows "error loading operating system" DOES show that it does load something from the usb stick |
| 12:27.47 | nirupama | wols, how could you say |
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| 12:27.52 | abrotman | DexterF: line 48 ? |
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| 12:27.54 | BW^- | pumpkin0: there's no such option in the bios |
| 12:27.58 | nirupama | wols, seeing which clue you found that |
| 12:27.59 | wols | nirupama: cause it's an intel |
| 12:28.00 | slxix | BW^-: my Lenovo R61i worked fine. |
| 12:28.22 | DexterF | abrotman: DUH. thanks. |
| 12:28.24 | nirupama | wols, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg shows i810 as well as intel |
| 12:28.28 | pumpkin0 | BW^-: i'm in T61. Trust me there is a option to set the bootorder and to enable USB. |
| 12:28.29 | DexterF | thought that was still docs |
| 12:28.30 | BW^- | slxix: cool! how did you do? |
| 12:28.39 | BW^- | pumpkin0: cool! where in the menu system? |
| 12:28.50 | BW^- | pumpkin0: i browsed through all. there's a "BIOS USB support" option, i have enabled it. |
| 12:28.54 | nirupama | then which one to select |
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| 12:28.59 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i don't think so |
| 12:29.09 | pumpkin0 | BW^-: i cannot look w/o rebooting so ... |
| 12:29.15 | bbinotto | wols: http://www.pastebin.ca/1044776 |
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| 12:29.32 | XTZGZoReX | stew: ? |
| 12:29.56 | stew | ? |
| 12:30.04 | XTZGZoReX | 14:29
stew: XTZGZoReX: i don't think so |
| 12:30.11 | stew | right |
| 12:30.28 | XTZGZoReX | you dont think what..? |
| 12:30.39 | stew | 08:23 < XTZGZoReX> stew: shouldnt vnc automatically keep stuffs open when i logout |
| 12:30.46 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 12:30.52 | XTZGZoReX | well, by the way |
| 12:30.55 | slxix | BW^-: i told my bios to boot USB first. Took a fat32 USB stick that already booted linux, put netinst.iso on it, and added lines to the syslinux configure to boot the iso file. :) |
| 12:31.03 | XTZGZoReX | where IS the docs on the vncserver apt-get installs? I cant seem to find them |
| 12:31.06 | XTZGZoReX | are* |
| 12:31.11 | Helmi | i've added an experimental apt-source to my sources.list to install the latest experimental imagemagick package on my amd64 server. when using aptitude i only get the old 6.2.x version instead of the 6.4.x from the experimental - does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 12:31.28 | stew | XTZGZoReX: /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 12:31.43 | XTZGZoReX | stew: k |
| 12:32.16 | bbinotto | wols: nmap does not show port 444, what does that mean? http://www.pastebin.ca/1044784 |
| 12:32.17 | stew | Helmi: don't install packages for experimental onto a machine running stable |
| 12:32.20 | BW^- | slxix: uh. cool! |
| 12:32.25 | slxix | BW^-: I also studied thinkwiki.org for a while. |
| 12:32.32 | BW^- | slxix: what i did was to take the boot.img from usb-boot and write it using www.winimage.com to a flash stick. |
| 12:32.55 | slxix | i didn't want to ruin my filesystem. :) |
| 12:33.06 | BW^- | slxix: perhaps i should try what you did. soo, first format flash drive to fat32, then put netinst.iso there. then syslinux.. what? how do that? |
| 12:33.50 | Helmi | stew: thanks for the hint. Probably still anyone who's able to tell me why i'm just not getting the new package within aptitude? i already got some other experimental packages but imagemagick still stays the old one - i've already completely removed the old package and tried to reinstall but that doesn't change anything. |
| 12:34.03 | XTZGZoReX | stew: the docs are very small and pretty much.. useless, as I dont use kde2 |
| 12:34.38 | wols | bbinotto: that nmap is shit for this task |
| 12:34.39 | stew | XTZGZoReX: that sucks |
| 12:34.40 | slxix | BW^-: do you have a windows computer you can stick your usb drive in? :) |
| 12:34.58 | stew | Helmi: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 12:35.02 | BW^- | slxix: that's the same computer as the one i want to install linux on. yep right. it has a hsdpa usb modem too. |
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| 12:35.40 | XTZGZoReX | what's the difference from x11vnc and vncserver?` |
| 12:35.49 | bbinotto | wols: on an other computer, this config runs without any problem, it ist strange, tried also to reboot |
| 12:36.28 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: x11vnc connects to an already running X session. |
| 12:36.28 | BW^- | slxix: how do this? :) |
| 12:36.33 | bbinotto | is there anyone who can help? http://www.pastebin.ca/1044789 |
| 12:36.42 | Helmi | stew: probably we're getting each other wrong - i don't want any support on experimental packages i'm just wondering how aptitude sets priorities - it seems to as i'm still seeing packages from one source (in this case imagemagick) instead from the other source |
| 12:36.59 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: so basically, it keeps my apps open - and vncserver doesnt? |
| 12:37.14 | stew | Helmi: is this server running unstable? |
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| 12:37.17 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: no. |
| 12:37.31 | Helmi | stew: no, it's running on etch (stable) |
| 12:37.45 | Helmi | stew: so this why it prefers the stable version? |
| 12:37.57 | stew | Helmi: no. this is why youshouldn't be installing packages from experimental directly |
| 12:38.07 | stew | Helmi: you should be backporting them |
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| 12:38.29 | Helmi | stew: hm ok - probably then i should first have a look if there's a backported version. |
| 12:38.45 | stew | Helmi: there isn't |
| 12:38.49 | Helmi | the stable version seems to be buggy, unfortunately - so probably there's a chance to get a backported version anywhere... |
| 12:38.50 | Helmi | :( |
| 12:38.51 | Helmi | ok |
| 12:39.02 | SerajewelKS | people still use imagemagick? |
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| 12:39.12 | stew | SerajewelKS: certainly |
| 12:39.13 | Helmi | SerajewelKS: any alternative? |
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| 12:39.32 | stew | Helmi: what version of libc6 is installed on that server? |
| 12:39.36 | XTZGZoReX | gee |
| 12:39.41 | XTZGZoReX | dpkg knows nothing about vncserver |
| 12:39.41 | dpkg | XTZGZoReX: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:39.42 | XTZGZoReX | : |
| 12:39.42 | XTZGZoReX | < |
| 12:39.43 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: normally, a unix vnc server will create its own X session running, which you can connect to using vnc. x11vnc uses an existing X server (for example, you can use it to remotely attach to a session where you've logged in X at the console) |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | s/'ve/'re/ |
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| 12:40.17 | Helmi | stew: 2.3.6.ds1 |
| 12:41.37 | runa | hi i created a backup with partimage and it created an unique partitio with the name giorgi1_.gz.000 is it normal the initial partition was 6G an the giorgi1.gz.000 is 3.2 G. Is that normal? |
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| 12:42.13 | basix | i'm reading the installer documentation ( http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb ). I'm downloading this netinst.iso ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ ). This will install the base system, right? Will I need to connect to the internet? Once the base system is installed, I intend to use "apt-cdrom add" to add my Debian DVD as a source and install the rest of the syste |
| 12:42.13 | basix | m. Is this a good plan? |
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| 12:42.34 | wols | reading docs is ALWAYS a good plan |
| 12:42.53 | PeHe | basix: it will work |
| 12:42.58 | PeHe | wols: :D |
| 12:43.04 | basix | wols, :) |
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| 12:43.20 | basix | PeHe, will the netinst iso want to connect to the internet? |
| 12:43.24 | PeHe | basix: i suggest you this approach over hour ago so.. |
| 12:43.38 | PeHe | yes it want's, but it can optain system up even without internet |
| 12:43.52 | basix | PeHe, i am new to debian :P |
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| 12:44.19 | PeHe | basix: yep, good choise anyway :) |
| 12:44.21 | faber4 | is there something in debian which allows me to convert a microsoft word file to simple text ? |
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| 12:44.32 | PeHe | faber4: openoffice? :D |
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| 12:45.26 | Helmi | SerajewelKS: what's your alternative to imagemagick? |
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| 12:46.25 | themill | faber4: catdoc |
| 12:47.05 | stew | Helmi: btw, are there bugs filed in the bts for the bugs you are seeing? |
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| 12:47.31 | Helmi | i did not search for them yet. |
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| 12:48.37 | Wesley | PeHe: sorry for the late reply. It seems there is something wrong with one of my hdd's. it keeps fialing at installing grub.. sometimes it works sometimes it fails. but I think it are bad sectors on the disk or something |
| 12:48.50 | codemasters | hi is there any link of debian minimal installation disk. |
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| 12:49.22 | wols | !businesscard |
| 12:49.22 | dpkg | If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 12:49.39 | wols | !cdimage |
| 12:49.39 | dpkg | wols, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 12:49.42 | helo | i installed 2.6.22-4 in etch... when i shut down, the last message says "YOUR DISK MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SPUN DOWN PROPERLY"... is there something else i need to install to have the proper version of libata or what? |
| 12:49.46 | codemasters | :( i don have enough bandwidth to download 5 dvds |
| 12:49.50 | wols | codemasters: there is the businesscard iso too |
| 12:50.34 | codemasters | wols, is it a single disk |
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| 12:50.46 | wols | codemasters: it's a 50MB or so ISO |
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| 12:51.06 | wols | codemasters: but if I were you I'd use netinst which is 150MB |
| 12:51.26 | codemasters | ok can i get the link of that..wols |
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| 12:51.41 | wols | codemasters: I just gave it to you. or rather dpkg did |
| 12:52.00 | codemasters | okie..:) |
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| 12:52.50 | abrotman | that businesscard factoid .. sucks |
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| 12:52.50 | wols | yes it does |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | tries to fix |
| 12:53.06 | BW^- | slxix: thanks alot!! now i see how to get it up |
| 12:53.24 | slxix | debian, right? |
| 12:53.32 | PeHe | Wesley: yea it sound like its fucked up. Cos Debian is only interested the HDD controller. If those disks are both in same controller then it is the HDD |
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| 12:53.34 | codemasters | :) ok thanks fellas i found it.. |
| 12:53.55 | codemasters | does it has ntfs drive r/w access..? |
| 12:53.55 | adv_ | how can i see what binaries does a pkg name contain |
| 12:54.12 | stew | adv_: dpkg -L packagename |
| 12:54.33 | wols | !tell codemasters about ntfs-3g |
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| 12:54.39 | XTZGZoReX | What's the search command on Debian, again? To search for files |
| 12:54.44 | stew | adv_: well that is assuming that the package is already installed, if it isn't yet installed, use apt-file: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:54.56 | stew | XTZGZoReX: dpkg -S or apt-file: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:55.20 | Sam1337 | Does Lenny have the 3d proprietary nvidia driver in its non-free section of the repository yet? |
| 12:55.23 | XTZGZoReX | stew: local files :) |
| 12:55.32 | stew | Sam1337: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 12:55.36 | _NoxIn_ | XTZGZoReX: find ? |
| 12:55.54 | XTZGZoReX | so if it says |
| 12:55.58 | XTZGZoReX | No such file or directory |
| 12:55.58 | stew | XTZGZoReX: find or locate |
| 12:56.01 | XTZGZoReX | Means it didnt find anything? |
| 12:56.10 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what command said that? |
| 12:56.17 | XTZGZoReX | stew: find xstartup |
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| 12:56.38 | stew | XTZGZoReX: read the find manpage |
| 12:56.42 | _NoxIn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.55 | XTZGZoReX | oh, my mistake |
| 12:56.55 | XTZGZoReX | thanks |
| 12:57.20 | DawnLight | is there a way to see the information received from a dhcp server? |
| 12:57.30 | abrotman | !businesscard |
| 12:57.30 | dpkg | The "businesscard" installer is a minimal installer(about 50MB) that *requires* the internet to finish the installation of a base Debian system. The BC image can be used to install various versions of Debian directly. A better option is likely the <netinst> (or /msg dpkg d-i) images, which does not require internet to get a base install. |
| 12:57.32 | abrotman | better? |
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| 13:01.33 | Wyzard | I don't know if this is still true, but the netinst CD used to install a generic -386 kernel (because that was the only kernel on the CD, due to space limitations) and the businesscard CD would install the -686 or whatever kernel (because there was no kernel on the CD and it had to download one, so it might as well download the most appropriate one) |
| 13:01.48 | Wyzard | DawnLight: apt-cache show dhcpdump |
| 13:02.53 | ShredZ | If I get an unable to relay for bla@foo.com from an exim4 smarthost, can I do anything about this ? |
| 13:03.22 | Wyzard | ShredZ: probably not, other than using a different smarthost |
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| 13:06.41 | vinvin | hi :) |
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| 13:08.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. it would be -486 now, but they should read the install manual about kernels after installaiton :) |
| 13:08.45 | stoned | Good morning |
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| 13:13.46 | helo | bah, i missed any reply to my last question... about the libata "YOUR DISKS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SPUN DOWN PROPERLY" |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | don't worry .. no one replied :) |
| 13:14.36 | helo | hah |
| 13:14.48 | helo | so do i need to backport the latest libata into etch too? |
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| 13:15.07 | stew | libata: there is no reason to shout, please turn of your caps, thanks |
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| 13:15.16 | helo | hehe |
| 13:16.22 | faber4 | themill: thanks! |
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| 13:17.59 | themill | faber4: no worries |
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| 13:18.34 | stoned | I was unable to get fglrx to work |
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| 13:19.15 | stoned | I compiled the svn trunk again last night, inserted the module, loaded X, got DRI working and 3d, but I just can't get dualhead to work on LCD+CRT |
| 13:19.19 | stoned | :( |
| 13:19.55 | stoned | it works, but then xrandr only shows 1 display (using ati big desktop) and I can't individually set the res on each display |
| 13:20.03 | stoned | any idieas/advice? |
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| 13:21.33 | stoned | btw, if I go the traditional route, and have two of each section in xorg.conf weird thing happens, I get 0:0 my original kde login/deskto/session, and on 0:1 I have a comletely diff kde session, brand new, no settings done |
| 13:22.00 | stoned | any idea how that could happen, though I amm stil able to move the mouse from screen to screen, its still TWO SEPERATE desktops |
| 13:22.16 | stoned | please advise |
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| 13:23.27 | pim | Hello, is there an advantage of Debian over ubuntu? |
| 13:23.45 | JyZyXEL | debian isn't shit |
| 13:24.16 | ix | Results 1 - 10 of about 8,260,000 for debian vs. ubuntu. (0.33 seconds) |
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| 13:24.16 | stoned | its like saying (water/debian) sucks and ubuntu/gatorade is better |
| 13:24.16 | stoned | nah, water kicks ass all around. |
| 13:24.18 | stoned | :D |
| 13:24.19 | SlayerXP | pim: if you use debian, you get to ask questions here, if you don't then you don't. |
| 13:24.20 | pim | Please give me an argument :p |
| 13:24.22 | sladi | hi! I built a kernel with kpkg-make. Can I simply extract the deb file to a different machine so it can use it? |
| 13:24.28 | ix | pears are the shit! apples are shite! |
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| 13:25.01 | stew | pim: they each have their strengths and weaknesses; "/msg dpkg why debian" for some reasons |
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| 13:25.06 | sladi | or can I tell kpkg-make (or dpkg) to install it tho another machine? |
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| 13:25.24 | Bushmills | dpkg, tell pim about rukes_sucks |
| 13:25.26 | stew | sladi: yes, you can move the resulting .deb to other machines |
| 13:25.32 | Bushmills | gr .. |
| 13:25.42 | Bushmills | dpkg, tell pim about rules_sucks |
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| 13:26.02 | Dewi | pim: different targets. ubuntu is trying to replace windows; debian tries to be the universal operating system |
| 13:26.20 | mandude | Dewi, really? |
| 13:26.24 | XTZGZoReX | How do I find out/change what port my vncserver operates on? |
| 13:26.31 | mandude | i didnt know they were repalcing windows or trying to |
| 13:26.39 | dos000 | anyone knows a nice bandwith monitoring/statistics tool by src dst ip address out there ? |
| 13:26.44 | Dewi | mandude: it's bug #1 |
| 13:26.56 | Dewi | mandude: and... kind of clear from the way they operate |
| 13:27.06 | dos000 | monitoring meaning to see who is globbing all the bandwith |
| 13:27.11 | sladi | stew:thanks, but the other machine is sikless and I need to get it to use the custom kernel so it can boot from nfs. So I can't use dpkg, can I? |
| 13:27.22 | pim | So Ubuntu is more user friendly? |
| 13:27.57 | mandude | ubuntu is idiot friendly, and as such, since idiots use it, its populated by them, and well, thats why people come here to ask for help and we tell em, install debian and get all the help you want |
| 13:28.00 | Dewi | pim: friendlier to non-technical end users, yes |
| 13:28.13 | mandude | but you know, I think it was wols that said it best the other day I think |
| 13:28.22 | sladi | stew:make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/nfsroot/diskless modules_install |
| 13:28.30 | sladi | stew: something like that |
| 13:28.33 | dropbear | dos000: jnettop, iftop, iptraf, ntop |
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| 13:29.08 | stew | sladi: if you need to extract the contents of the deb, you can do that with dpkg |
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| 13:29.37 | sladi | stew:so I can simply overwrite /lib etc. on the diskless directory? |
| 13:29.45 | sladi | stew: and it will work? |
| 13:29.57 | stew | mandude: if you are going to make off-topic comments, can you at least try to keep them constructive? |
| 13:30.04 | pim | mandude how did wols say it? |
| 13:30.06 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 13:30.12 | mandude | it was as constructive as wols stew |
| 13:30.16 | mandude | I didn't say anything bad |
| 13:30.30 | stew | mandude: please don't call people idiots |
| 13:30.32 | mandude | no malintent at all, just stating a fact, its not offtopci entirely but whatever yo usay bro |
| 13:30.44 | stew | mandude: its entirely off-topic |
| 13:30.50 | Dewi | stew: he meant idiots in that nice, reasonable, constructive way |
| 13:30.51 | mandude | stew, I did not call anyone specifically an idiot, but in general, people are somewhat idiots but that neither here nor there |
| 13:31.08 | Chris-NB | is this true: when I want to authenticate with pam against radius, then my user has to exist on that machine where I want to login. It's not sufficient if the user exists in radius |
| 13:31.11 | mandude | Dewi, yes but anyway drop it lets |
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| 13:31.18 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 13:31.28 | Chris-NB | I read that here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/508 or do I miss understand that? |
| 13:31.56 | stew | sladi: i'm not completely following what you are trying to do but "simply overwrite /lib" doesn't sound like a good idea |
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| 13:32.12 | mandude | I am aware of what you did to rahul |
| 13:32.21 | mandude | I wouldn't risk insuting anyone in here |
| 13:32.22 | mandude | :) |
| 13:32.23 | sladi | stew: oh well I did it and'll try it ^^. |
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| 13:32.49 | Dewi | stew: we're overwriting /lib in that nice, safe, construcitve way |
| 13:33.13 | Dewi | now I'm just trolling. Night, gentlemen and ladies. |
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| 13:34.08 | sladi | stew:there is a site which builds the kernel without kpkg-make: "make -j2 bzImage modules". After that "make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/nfsroot/diskless modules_install" and "make INSTALL_PATH=/nfsroot/diskless/boot install". |
| 13:34.18 | sladi | stew: brb |
| 13:34.32 | stew | sladi: a site? |
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| 13:35.34 | abrotman | you sure about that? |
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| 13:38.12 | mandudehomiebro | so anyone have input on my xorg problem? |
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| 13:38.50 | mandudehomiebro | I was unable to get fglrx to work, I compiled the svn trunk again last night, inserted the module, loaded X, got DRI working and 3d, but I just can't get dualhead to work on LCD+CRT. it works, but then xrandr only shows 1 display (using ati big desktop) and I can't individually set the res on each display. |
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| 13:39.00 | mandudehomiebro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.07 | vinvin | somebody can tell me how is created the directory /var/lib/php5 or how to chmod/chown it? |
| 13:39.08 | mandudehomiebro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.28 | dos000 | dropbear: thx ! |
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| 13:40.23 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: you have to enable Xinerama |
| 13:40.31 | sladi | stew:http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/20070316092236 |
| 13:40.33 | mandudehomiebro | OpenTokix, that disabled xrandr |
| 13:40.40 | mandudehomiebro | it disables* |
| 13:40.45 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: ok |
| 13:40.49 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: havent used xrandr |
| 13:40.52 | OpenTokix | what's that? =) |
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| 13:41.04 | mandudehomiebro | its something I need |
| 13:41.07 | mandudehomiebro | !xrandr |
| 13:41.08 | dpkg | xrandr is, like, a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 13:41.17 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: maybe you have to enable some special ATI-option in Xorg.conf like you do with nvidia now-a-days |
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| 13:41.45 | mandudehomiebro | OpenTokix, I already talked about it... "ATI Big Desktop" |
| 13:41.55 | mandudehomiebro | Option "desktopsetup" ""horizontal" |
| 13:41.57 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: oki |
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| 13:42.09 | OpenTokix | mandudehomiebro: then no idea, sorry for not reading backlog |
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| 13:42.37 | mandudehomiebro | OpenTokix, np |
| 13:42.42 | mandudehomiebro | thanks for trying :) |
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| 13:43.05 | mandudehomiebro | I'm sure its something trivial like last time i had to setup X |
| 13:43.21 | mandudehomiebro | I'll remember soon enough or figure it out soon enough *hopefully* |
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| 13:44.12 | Chris-NB | anyone knows if this is true: when I want to authenticate with pam against radius, then my user has to exist on that machine where I want to login. It's not sufficient if the user exists in radius? |
| 13:44.20 | mandudehomiebro | last time I had it working on two crt, I emailed my xorg.conf to myself, but now I have a 22" CRT which gets nasty dead pixel looking tings if i move a window or anything with radeonhd, and with fglrx i just can't get the right resolution, even on one monitor |
| 13:44.48 | mandudehomiebro | natively supports 1680x1050, but it wants to do 1920x1080 and xrandr then won't list the native res |
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| 13:45.05 | wols | mandudehomiebro: ask ati. you used their installer, right? |
| 13:45.27 | mandudehomiebro | wols, no debian SVN trunk of pkg-fglrx |
| 13:45.40 | mandudehomiebro | patched to work on missing symbols kernel bug |
| 13:45.47 | wols | SVN trunk from where? |
| 13:45.49 | mandudehomiebro | *not a kernel bug perse* |
| 13:45.52 | mandudehomiebro | svn.debian.org |
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| 13:46.08 | igluve | good morning |
| 13:46.30 | igluve | so, I tried to dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. Big mistake, perl is now broken and aptitude / apt-get is all broken now. |
| 13:46.55 | igluve | Can't locate strict.pm in @INC |
| 13:47.09 | mmlj4 | debian under vmware on centos keeps trying nonexistent SCSI drives when booting, and rarely finishes booting... I'm even trying the Lenny beta, which seems to have the same problem. Ideas? |
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| 13:47.57 | mmlj4 | installs usually work at some point, but the installed system usually fails |
| 13:48.30 | jelly | igluve: pastebin the complete output of a failing command. also pastebin dpkg -l perl perl-base |tail -1 |
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| 13:48.46 | mandudehomiebro | wols, ...? |
| 13:48.50 | mandudehomiebro | ping? |
| 13:48.54 | jelly | igluve: make that dpkg -l perl perl-base |tail -2 |
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| 13:49.11 | igluve | ok |
| 13:49.47 | fireba11 | how to make sure on restoring a software raid ti syncs the correct (tm) way |
| 13:49.55 | igluve | jelly perl is 5.10 and perl-base is 5.8 |
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| 13:50.36 | jelly | igluve: and the paste? |
| 13:50.36 | igluve | http://www.pastebin.ca/1044905 |
| 13:50.39 | igluve | There |
| 13:50.44 | mandudehomiebro | I found the link in the BTS discussion of fglrx-kernel-src bugs |
| 13:50.47 | igluve | that same error repeats with more packages |
| 13:50.49 | igluve | just pastedo ne obviously |
| 13:50.59 | mandudehomiebro | wols, I found the link in the BTS |
| 13:51.03 | igluve | I had first, a 'file/copy.pm' error |
| 13:51.22 | igluve | so I changed the symlink in /usr/share/perl/5.8 to 5.10 |
| 13:51.29 | mandudehomiebro | everything works on fglrx for me except the resolution and/or dualhead |
| 13:51.32 | jelly | igluve: remove the symlink. |
| 13:51.35 | igluve | then got strict.pm (which isn't an installed module) |
| 13:52.10 | jelly | igluve: make it point to whatever it pointed to before, then install perl-base and perl with dpkg. |
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| 13:53.27 | igluve | jelly |
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| 13:53.28 | sladi | stew:ok, i guess the kernel is ok |
| 13:53.30 | igluve | http://www.pastebin.ca/1044910 |
| 13:53.34 | igluve | With the symlink removed |
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| 13:54.32 | jelly | igluve: I didn't say to try running the same command again, but to install perl-base and perl with dpkg first. |
| 13:54.44 | igluve | Oh I know |
| 13:54.52 | themill | igluve: manually download perl-base and perl .deb files if they're not in your apt cache then use dpkg -i |
| 13:54.56 | igluve | they are |
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| 13:54.57 | igluve | just tried to |
| 13:55.01 | igluve | got another error |
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| 13:55.35 | sladi | when booting: "ipconfig: device eth0 not found" could this mean no driver found? |
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| 13:55.40 | themill | igluve: do you have any funky holds or pinning? |
| 13:55.55 | igluve | http://www.pastebin.ca/1044912 |
| 13:56.05 | igluve | funky holds or pinning? |
| 13:56.15 | igluve | I'm sorry my main language isn't english |
| 13:57.16 | themill | igluve: Sorry -- Do you have any pins set in /etc/apt/preferences? does "aptitude search ~ahold" return anything? Or dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 13:57.19 | DawnLight | what does "!!! box0 A has zero ttl" mean when it is in the output of the host command? |
| 13:57.53 | igluve | I don't have an /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:57.59 | liable | i think it means "U R HAXORZ" ?? |
| 13:58.08 | jelly | DawnLight: the entry for box0 in the dns is somewhat invalid, or misreported |
| 13:58.16 | igluve | themill the ~ahold command returns nothing |
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| 13:58.50 | DawnLight | jelly: why would dnsmasq do this? |
| 13:59.12 | igluve | I installed etch yesterday, changed the sources.list to lenny, then apt-get dist-upgrade and left it overnight |
| 13:59.13 | jelly | DawnLight: I don't use it ans have no idea. |
| 13:59.19 | igluve | that's all |
| 13:59.26 | igluve | It was a clean installation of etch |
| 13:59.38 | igluve | seems like perl is giving a hard time |
| 13:59.50 | justin | DawnLight: edit your dnsmasq.conf, there is a section on ttl's |
| 14:00.00 | themill | igluve: Yeah. Perl is buried down pretty deep inside debian... perl transitions are fun. |
| 14:00.22 | jelly | igluve: so, what does dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/{perl,perl-base}_*5.10*deb say? |
| 14:00.23 | igluve | uhm |
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| 14:00.33 | igluve | perl depends on perl-modules and perl-modules depends on perl lol |
| 14:00.47 | jelly | ok, so add it to the install mix |
| 14:00.59 | igluve | jelly this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1044912 |
| 14:01.04 | KukMan | Hi. Can somebody give me , plz, the wallpaper from this screenshot http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zdUoZ7ITTc0bbM:http://ariszlo.tripod.com/screenshots/debian.jpg |
| 14:01.13 | DawnLight | thanks justin |
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| 14:01.49 | jelly | igluve: prepend LANG=C to the command line, try again? |
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| 14:01.50 | themill | liblocale-gettext-perl? |
| 14:02.01 | mandudehomiebro | you know what, y'all right |
| 14:02.02 | DawnLight | justin: is zero ttl a problem? |
| 14:02.08 | mandudehomiebro | its best to ask ati, and if it don't work, fuck it |
| 14:02.09 | justin | DawnLight: not really |
| 14:02.13 | mandudehomiebro | i'm going back to radeonhd |
| 14:02.14 | mandudehomiebro | :( |
| 14:02.30 | XTZGZoReX | I get this upon doing "startx": X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 14:02.31 | XTZGZoReX | Any ideas? |
| 14:02.37 | igluve | jelly The warnings are gone, but the symbol lookup error remains |
| 14:02.50 | igluve | Setting up perl (5.10.0-10) ... |
| 14:02.52 | justin | XTZGZoReX: do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
| 14:03.01 | XTZGZoReX | justin: lemme check |
| 14:03.04 | themill | igluve: do you have a deb for liblocale-gettext-perl |
| 14:03.04 | adv_ | how can i specify where i extract a .tar.gz file? |
| 14:03.08 | igluve | yes |
| 14:03.11 | igluve | two actually |
| 14:03.12 | mandudehomiebro | just aptitude install xorg maybe |
| 14:03.22 | XTZGZoReX | justin: nope, installing now |
| 14:03.25 | jelly | igluve: install the newer :-) |
| 14:03.31 | igluve | tried to |
| 14:03.35 | igluve | same symbol lookup error |
| 14:03.37 | justin | XTZGZoReX: probably want to install 'xorg' then, that will pull in a bunch of things |
| 14:03.42 | themill | adv_: man tar; look at, unsurprisingly, the --directory option |
| 14:03.50 | igluve | oh wait |
| 14:03.51 | igluve | there we go |
| 14:03.55 | XTZGZoReX | justin: okay, *waits for install to finish* |
| 14:04.02 | igluve | I tried installing it first with all the other perl debs and gave me the symbol error |
| 14:04.13 | igluve | installed it alone and it installed, then tried the other perl packages |
| 14:04.35 | themill | igluve: does "apt-get -f install" fix things up now? |
| 14:04.45 | igluve | it's installing. |
| 14:04.47 | jelly | igluve: good, now you can "dpkg --configure --pending" and "apt-get -f install" |
| 14:04.54 | igluve | Yea, way ahead :P |
| 14:05.15 | XTZGZoReX | justin: i got a lot of "Bad address" while installing xserver-xorg and xorg - what may cause this? |
| 14:05.18 | igluve | so, was this a bug in dist-upgrade or something? |
| 14:05.29 | themill | suspects that etch->lenny might have got a bit harder since the perl transition |
| 14:05.31 | justin | XTZGZoReX: when? |
| 14:05.45 | XTZGZoReX | justin: upon installing.. at random times |
| 14:05.51 | igluve | I did a clean install of etch yesterday, didn't install anything else |
| 14:05.52 | themill | igluve: perhaps. Or perhaps aptitude would have been able to do it when apt-get did not. |
| 14:05.56 | XTZGZoReX | justin: or actually, everytime it installs a package of xorg/xserver-xorg |
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| 14:06.03 | XTZGZoReX | Setting up xfonts-scalable (1.0.0-6) ... |
| 14:06.03 | XTZGZoReX | /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address |
| 14:06.04 | XTZGZoReX | etc |
| 14:06.05 | igluve | just changed the sources.list to lenny, then update and then dist-upgrade |
| 14:06.25 | igluve | I generally don't like aptitude |
| 14:06.26 | igluve | lol |
| 14:06.54 | themill | igluve: it's a drop in replacement for apt-get for almost everything. You don't need to use the curses interface. |
| 14:07.13 | XTZGZoReX | justin: doesnt seem to be important though |
| 14:07.14 | igluve | It's just that for some reason aptitude wants to always remove things I don't it to remove |
| 14:07.18 | igluve | I don't want it |
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| 14:07.23 | XTZGZoReX | justin: im more worried about this error upon "startx": xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 14:07.44 | igluve | Or things that doesn't make sense |
| 14:07.45 | justin | XTZGZoReX: is your /dev broken? |
| 14:07.54 | igluve | I remember some months ago I wanted to install apache and aptitude wanted to remoev gnome |
| 14:07.55 | XTZGZoReX | justin: how do I check? |
| 14:07.58 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: UR SYSTEM IZ FUX0R3D |
| 14:08.00 | justin | XTZGZoReX: ls /dev |
| 14:08.01 | igluve | I was like "what the..:" |
| 14:08.15 | XTZGZoReX | justin: loads of things pop up |
| 14:08.29 | XTZGZoReX | funny |
| 14:08.31 | XTZGZoReX | tty0 is there |
| 14:08.31 | justin | XTZGZoReX: but you don't have a /dev/tty0? |
| 14:08.34 | themill | igluve: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 14:08.59 | XTZGZoReX | justin: tty0 (device file)'s there |
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| 14:09.24 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: are you trying to run startx inside screen? |
| 14:09.42 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: no, i have it in my vnc's xstartup |
| 14:09.55 | XTZGZoReX | it basically does: "startx" linebreak "startkde &" |
| 14:10.00 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: did this setup work before? |
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| 14:10.11 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: what setup? |
| 14:10.13 | XTZGZoReX | jelly x? |
| 14:10.21 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: your vnc setup |
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| 14:10.37 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: first time setting vnc up |
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| 14:11.00 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: how do you know this makes any sense, then? |
| 14:11.12 | igluve | grrr more issues now |
| 14:11.13 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: what makes any sense..? |
| 14:11.28 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: running startx inside... whatever |
| 14:11.46 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: I can try without it. |
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| 14:12.01 | igluve | jelly themill http://www.pastebin.ca/1044931 |
| 14:12.11 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: startx brings up a local X server on console. vncserver uses its own Xserver. |
| 14:12.17 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: but startx errors outside vnc too |
| 14:12.20 | sladi | when booting: "ipconfig: device eth0 not found" could this mean no driver found? |
| 14:12.29 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: with the same error? |
| 14:12.34 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: indeed |
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| 14:13.58 | themill | igluve: did you do what it suggested? (reinstall it before attempting a removal) |
| 14:14.03 | XTZGZoReX | and jelly: when I just do startkde & inside my xstartup, it says: xsetroot: unable to open display ':15' |
| 14:14.10 | igluve | yes |
| 14:14.15 | igluve | has a lot of depedencies |
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| 14:14.18 | XTZGZoReX | thats why i figured i might need startx |
| 14:14.25 | themill | igluve: yeah... |
| 14:14.34 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: vnc and local console are very different |
| 14:14.46 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: have you read what startx does? |
| 14:14.58 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: no =X some forum just said to use it |
| 14:15.14 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: so ask them. |
| 14:15.23 | igluve | jelly http://www.pastebin.ca/1044937 |
| 14:15.30 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: well apparently startx isnt needed anyway..? |
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| 14:16.06 | Skratz0r | waves |
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| 14:16.54 | mandudehomiebro | I need a php programmer I can fly over to nyc for a project... msg me |
| 14:16.56 | mandudehomiebro | (sorry for spam) |
| 14:17.14 | Skratz0r | mandudehomiebro; try #php? |
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| 14:17.23 | jelly | igluve: have you run "dpkg --configure --pending" yet? |
| 14:17.43 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: no idea |
| 14:17.56 | igluve | jell Yep, and got another motherloade of errorrs |
| 14:17.57 | XTZGZoReX | well jelly: know how to start kde in vnc then? |
| 14:18.26 | mandudehomiebro | XTZGZoReX, not hard at all really |
| 14:18.26 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: startkde? |
| 14:18.36 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: that gives me what I pasted above |
| 14:18.39 | XTZGZoReX | 16:14
XTZGZoReX: and jelly: when I just do startkde & inside my xstartup, it says: xsetroot: unable to open display ':15' |
| 14:18.52 | igluve | jelly http://www.pastebin.ca/1044943 |
| 14:19.01 | mandudehomiebro | !seen rahul |
| 14:19.01 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 17h 23m 33s ago, saying: 'yay. at least I'm not the absolute bottom of the chain of respect here.'. |
| 14:19.06 | igluve | Should tell people etch->lenny is completely broken |
| 14:19.16 | mandudehomiebro | o_O |
| 14:19.25 | mandudehomiebro | igluve, it is? |
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| 14:19.30 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: so you need to figure out whether :15 is the correct display, and whether any X apps work inside your vnc. |
| 14:19.43 | Dewi | etch->lenny changes every few hours |
| 14:19.46 | igluve | apparently |
| 14:19.48 | Dewi | depending on what you have intalled |
| 14:19.50 | dustybin | has debian 5.0 lenny had a beta release? |
| 14:20.00 | mandudehomiebro | lenny? |
| 14:20.01 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: I cant connect to the vnc as it seems to crash (but doesnt leave any error...) |
| 14:20.08 | igluve | I made a clean etch install yesterday and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:20.08 | mandudehomiebro | lenny is debian 5.0 |
| 14:20.16 | igluve | so far, it's completely broken |
| 14:20.17 | dustybin | yes i know |
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| 14:20.24 | abrotman | dustybin: the installers have betas .. there is no beta release as a whole |
| 14:20.27 | Dewi | igluve: why would you expect it not to be? |
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| 14:20.29 | jelly | igluve: that's testing for you! |
| 14:20.31 | dustybin | oh i see |
| 14:20.36 | sladi | hi! when booting: "ipconfig: device eth0 not found" could this mean no driver found? I can use the nic on a normal install, so just the module missing here? |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | it's a rolling beta in some terms |
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| 14:20.45 | igluve | Oh I know, but it's in a very inconsistent state |
| 14:20.51 | Dewi | igluve: it changes every day. It's being tested. |
| 14:20.53 | kyaneos | hi |
| 14:20.58 | Dewi | igluve: the state you saw yesterday is NO LONGER CURRENT |
| 14:21.06 | igluve | Well, yea. |
| 14:21.07 | jelly | igluve: try configuring manually important packages first. dpkg --configure debconf |
| 14:21.17 | dustybin | when will lenny go stable? are there still a lot of bugs to iron out? |
| 14:21.23 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 14:21.23 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
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| 14:22.21 | igluve | jelly debconf depends on debconf-i18n, debconf-i18n depends on debconf |
| 14:22.23 | igluve | rolls eyes |
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| 14:22.31 | jelly | igluve: dpkg -l '*debconf*'|tail -n +2 |
| 14:22.33 | Dewi | abrotman: Here's an idea - maybe they should give sid and lenny names to denote their non-stable status |
| 14:22.34 | igluve | It's a mutex! |
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| 14:23.02 | Dewi | abrotman: then people wouldn't get so confused. You know... descriptive names? I'm going to email this straight to project headquarters, this could be big |
| 14:23.26 | igluve | http://www.pastebin.ca/1044953 |
| 14:23.37 | Bushmills | i think "sid" is very desciptive |
| 14:23.46 | abrotman | Dewi: like testing and unstable ? |
| 14:23.53 | jelly | igluve: so configure them both at the same time |
| 14:23.55 | Bushmills | descriptive |
| 14:24.04 | fireba11 | Dewi: also it's not like stable changes every week |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | Bushmills: "not-quite-done" and "please-dont-use" ? |
| 14:24.17 | themill | reaches over and turns on abrotman's irony detector |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:24.30 | themill | bloody yanks |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | themill: you mean sarcasm i think |
| 14:24.33 | Bushmills | "don't-you-dare-to-touch-this"? |
| 14:24.44 | jelly | abrotman: I have medium-rare installed and it works for me! |
| 14:24.53 | igluve | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | Bushmills: you-cant-touch-this ? .. and experimental would be "hammertime" :) |
| 14:25.09 | igluve | jelly they need a bunch of other dependencies |
| 14:25.20 | jelly | abrotman: and a perl transition would be "BREAK IT DOWN" |
| 14:25.21 | Bushmills | but ..i have no problems if somebody want's to explore the unstable state of sid himself. |
| 14:25.24 | igluve | dpkg --configure debconf-i18n debconf debconf-english libtext-wrapi18n-perl libtext-charwidth-perl |
| 14:25.24 | dpkg | igluve: You are moron #37 |
| 14:25.40 | Bushmills | either he gets around an manages to figure out how to keep it running ... |
| 14:25.54 | Bushmills | or he doesn't and reinstalls stable/testing |
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| 14:25.59 | Bushmills | either way, no harm done |
| 14:26.03 | jelly | Bushmills: that IS testing |
| 14:26.08 | Dewi | Bushmills: I'm sure it's great if you enjoy fixing broken stuff |
| 14:26.32 | igluve | *sigh* |
| 14:26.34 | Bushmills | Dewi: sure. that's why people have a chouce |
| 14:26.35 | Bushmills | choice |
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| 14:26.42 | igluve | I'm just gonna bomb this and install Slackware. |
| 14:26.43 | jelly | has 5.8.8-12 perl installed and is waiting it out |
| 14:26.52 | Dewi | igluve: maybe install debian |
| 14:26.52 | igluve | Thanks anyways |
| 14:26.54 | Dewi | igluve: it's just a thought |
| 14:27.02 | igluve | I did, and it's broken |
| 14:27.08 | Dewi | igluve: etch is broken? |
| 14:27.21 | igluve | Well, the upgrade to lenny |
| 14:27.27 | Dewi | igluve: lenny isn't released |
| 14:27.34 | igluve | Not saying it is. |
| 14:27.37 | Dewi | igluve: of course it's broken, if it wasn't, we would release it |
| 14:27.48 | Bushmills | people learn much better by experiencing than by being told |
| 14:27.54 | igluve | Well, this hugely broken |
| 14:27.55 | themill | Dewi: you're not helping here. And lenny should *never* be broken, it's always supposed to be in a releasable state. |
| 14:27.58 | Dewi | sighs. I'm wasting time agian. |
| 14:28.07 | jelly | igluve: yes. wait a week or two and try again |
| 14:28.32 | igluve | There's a difference between having a crack in a building, and having the whole building get condemend (sp? english is not my native language) |
| 14:28.33 | Bushmills | yes, in an ideal world, nothing should ever been broken |
| 14:28.41 | Dewi | themill: we avoid it when we can, but its very existence implies that we don't really expect it to be problem-free all the time |
| 14:28.41 | jelly | themill: never broken? The number of RC bugs is >100. |
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| 14:28.54 | Bushmills | but amendmends to reality requires that from time to time |
| 14:29.20 | igluve | I bet upgrading to sid will not give me all this problem |
| 14:29.25 | themill | jelly: "should", "supposed". It's just that those bugs weren't caught in sid. |
| 14:29.26 | igluve | It never has in the past heh |
| 14:29.28 | Dewi | igluve: so I'm told |
| 14:29.37 | Bushmills | but, in an ideal world, things are perfect right from the beginning. no need for any future version |
| 14:29.37 | sladi | hi! when booting: "ipconfig: device eth0 not found" could this mean no driver found? Knoppix works, so is just the module missing from the kernel here? |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | what's your NIC? |
| 14:29.58 | Dewi | igluve: it's easier to fix sid more quickly because it's much less controlled |
| 14:30.11 | jelly | it's also easier to unfix it |
| 14:30.19 | Dewi | (but correspondingly it will break more often, and be less predictable) |
| 14:30.19 | igluve | I suppose |
| 14:30.26 | igluve | I'm very much aware lenny is testing |
| 14:30.32 | Dewi | but the fixes do tend to come in very fast |
| 14:30.35 | Dewi | I am told |
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| 14:30.47 | sladi | abrotman:Realtek RTL8201CL 10/100M |
| 14:31.12 | igluve | But looking at how (well, the transition to etch to lenny) is completely f**** up (specially dealing with perl) at this point, Lenny is probably more broken than sid |
| 14:31.20 | Bushmills | igluve: what about: install etch, and in there, debootstrap sid or lenny, chroot to them to experiment to your hearts desire, without risking your stable installation? |
| 14:31.33 | sladi | abrotman: I tried including drivers when building the kernel but hasn't worked |
| 14:31.51 | jelly | igluve: a coworker of mine pretty much seamlessly updated from lenny pre-perl-5.10 to the version you have problems with |
| 14:31.57 | Bushmills | (if you can live with "old" kernel) |
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| 14:32.04 | abrotman | sladi: lspci -nn .. what's the PCI ID at the end of the line .. a34e::e43a for example |
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| 14:32.31 | _NoxIn_ | I upgraded a box from etch to lenny 2 weeks ago and didn't have any problem ... depends on the states of the repository when you try it .. and of what packages are installed |
| 14:32.36 | igluve | I intalled etch, did not install anyother package, updates sources.list, then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and left it overnight |
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| 14:32.45 | igluve | Gave the whole perl issue you just witnessed |
| 14:32.46 | Dewi | well the end-point and the intermediate points move every day, based on changes made like a week ago |
| 14:32.47 | themill | igluve: did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade when you were running etch to make sure you had the most up-to-date etch packages first? |
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| 14:32.58 | jelly | igluve: you seem to have gnome and stuffs installed. |
| 14:33.00 | igluve | No, went from clean install |
| 14:33.14 | Bushmills | igluve: i'm glad that you are a tester and make us aware of the problem. i'm not that glad about the fact that upgrade problems with perl are already known |
| 14:33.43 | igluve | I don't mind testing, I'm just frustrated |
| 14:33.48 | asmarin | where i can get a copy of /usr/include/asm/cpufeature.h |
| 14:33.53 | Bushmills | igluve: now, thank you, please get back to productive stable, and wait untul t has been fixed, or help fixing it :) |
| 14:33.55 | igluve | I wanted to have lenny up and working |
| 14:33.58 | asmarin | i need to know where flag cpu means |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | !tell asmarin about search |
| 14:34.12 | asmarin | !tell /usr/include/asm/cpufeature.h |
| 14:34.13 | Dewi | igluve: my suggestion - run it in a VM, or some other environment with snapshots, so you can back out upgrades that go nuts |
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| 14:34.27 | igluve | I hate virtual machines lol |
| 14:34.35 | sladi | abrotman: thanks, I'll have to boot, just a moment please |
| 14:34.36 | igluve | unless I'm on a server |
| 14:34.38 | igluve | But this my laptop |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | asmarin: linux-kernel-headers |
| 14:34.56 | Bushmills | wow. a whole machine dedicated to testing. |
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| 14:35.09 | asmarin | uhmm with these package? |
| 14:35.16 | liable | what the fuck is the story with ff3 not showing the ips i have entered in the drop dowm box? i dont want bookmark link in that box.. |
| 14:35.36 | jelly | igluve: my suggestion: install _only_ the base system etch. upgrade it fully, then edit sources.list and dist-upgrade to testing. use aptitude. after that, install X and Gnome and other stuff. |
| 14:36.00 | Bushmills | liable: there is an add-on conflicting with the address bar ... hang on lemme check which one that was and whether you have that one |
| 14:36.00 | hark | liable: it's better this way :) |
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| 14:36.08 | igluve | I'll try that, although that will take time, I'm int he third wordl with no fast high speed connections |
| 14:36.10 | igluve | heh |
| 14:36.32 | liable | hark: god no. its making me want to put babies in blenders. ;) |
| 14:36.35 | Bushmills | liable: (it's the one showing download progress in the address bar) |
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| 14:36.55 | jelly | igluve: you can save the contents of current /var/cache/apt/archives somewhere, before reinstalling |
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| 14:36.59 | igluve | What we all should learn about this?: Please stop breaking perl |
| 14:37.05 | abrotman | or use stable |
| 14:37.07 | kakarot | hi, is there any debian preferred ftp server? i've been looking for one, but there're lot of them |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | if you can't handle breakage .. use stable |
| 14:37.27 | igluve | I can handle breakage, when it's fixable |
| 14:37.30 | Bushmills | liable: fission was its name |
| 14:37.30 | liable | Bushmills: which one? i only have adblock |
| 14:37.36 | abrotman | kakarot: not truly preferred .. but most use vsftpd or proftpd .. really should use scp/sftp |
| 14:37.38 | Dewi | igluve: everything is fixable |
| 14:37.45 | infinitycircuit | abrotman, btw bugs.debian.org was a valid smtphost since i submitted bugs last night...i have no idea why it works though |
| 14:37.48 | Dewi | igluve: but we do not have all the answers |
| 14:37.56 | igluve | Well, when I mean fixable I mean something that will not take me 3 days to fix |
| 14:38.10 | infinitycircuit | igluve, what is the exact error again |
| 14:38.17 | sladi | abrotman: [1106:3065] |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | infinitycircuit: uhm .. i didn't know that .. maybe it sends some special header to say that it's reportbug doing the sending .. i guess i'd have to look into it |
| 14:38.18 | Dewi | igluve: lenny isn't being released in the next 3 days, because it takes >3 days t ofix |
| 14:38.19 | jelly | igluve: so wait a week and it'll probably be fixed |
| 14:38.19 | kakarot | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | sladi: that's a via-rhine card |
| 14:38.52 | jelly | igluve: or report a bug and send your script log of the breakage |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686$ grep 1106 modules.pcimap | grep 3065 |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | via-rhine 0x00001106 0x00003065 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 14:39.01 | Bushmills | liable: bookmarks seem to be an independent problem |
| 14:39.23 | igluve | can I say something? |
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| 14:39.37 | abrotman | you just did! |
| 14:39.41 | igluve | And I'd rather get laughs |
| 14:39.47 | jelly | "what do you mean, you didn't run dist-upgrade inside script to log the output?" |
| 14:39.48 | igluve | Or understanding heh |
| 14:40.02 | igluve | I sort of fixed it. |
| 14:40.04 | igluve | hides. |
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| 14:40.24 | sladi | abrotman: thank you very much! I added realtek drivers, I'm sorry. |
| 14:40.47 | jelly | yay. |
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| 14:41.17 | liable | fuck this awsomebar shit |
| 14:41.25 | themill | igluve: all sorted then? |
| 14:41.30 | jelly | igluve: if you didn't have to resort to editing /var/lib/dpkg/status, it was an easy fix :-> |
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| 14:43.03 | Dewi | liable: what's it doing that you don't like? |
| 14:43.16 | Dewi | liable: I don't really understand your question |
| 14:43.46 | liable | Dewi: in the url bar, the dropdown is showing bookmarks, not urls previously entered. |
| 14:43.58 | themill | igluve: I just did an aptitude dist-upgrade from etch to lenny without incident so either you were unlucky in when you tried, or it was because you didn't have an up-to-date etch installation before you started was a problem, or using apt-get instead of aptitude was a problem. |
| 14:43.59 | liable | location bar |
| 14:44.00 | Dewi | liable: it shows the title, and the URL underneath |
| 14:44.10 | liable | Dewi: not here |
| 14:44.18 | Dewi | liable: and of your history, not necessarily bookmarks |
| 14:44.32 | liable | Dewi: its just useless bookmarks |
| 14:44.58 | Dewi | liable: sounds like you have bugs |
| 14:45.40 | Dewi | liable: hmm, google news indicates there will probably be an RC3 |
| 14:45.45 | liable | Dewi: i tend to agree. |
| 14:45.51 | Dewi | liable: I guess it's not as stable as they thought |
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| 14:45.55 | drafts | hi ! |
| 14:46.09 | adv_ | i want to automate the installation of postfix (with a script), i'm doing aptitude -y install postfix |
| 14:46.17 | adv_ | but it brings up an ncurses window |
| 14:46.21 | adv_ | how can i suppress it? |
| 14:46.27 | liable | Dewi: i had an interesting rendering episode earlier, so yeah, its probably as shit as other versions. |
| 14:46.29 | Dewi | liable: hmm, actually, RC3 is supposed to only be different on OSX |
| 14:46.34 | drafts | i'm using debian unstable. I'm looking for a way to uninstall gcj and to run the official java sdk instead. Does anyone know how to do this please ? |
| 14:47.39 | themill | drafts: /msg dpkg install java and update-java-alternatives to select which one to use |
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| 14:50.44 | drafts | themill: thanks i'm trying to do this |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | adv_: you'll want to preseed the debconf database with answer to the questions postfix wants to ask. |
| 14:51.18 | jelly | adv_: or push the debconf priority way up |
| 14:51.50 | adv_ | jelly: how? |
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| 14:52.02 | adv_ | jelly: i can't find how to change the mode in debconf |
| 14:52.15 | wvdschel | hi, is anyone using the armel port here? |
| 14:52.31 | adv_ | jelly: and proftpd, what is the default to start it from? inetd or standalone? |
| 14:52.36 | jelly | adv_: the latter can be done with dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 14:52.59 | jelly | adv_: the question asked will provide a default |
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| 14:53.25 | adv_ | jelly: how do i know which is it? |
| 14:54.03 | Bushmills | adv_: what branch of debian? |
| 14:54.09 | adv_ | stable |
| 14:54.25 | jelly | adv_: the one with the cursor on by default? :-) |
| 14:54.45 | hark | liable: it'll basically get better as you use it. It learns adaptively |
| 14:54.48 | Dewi | adv_: hitting enter normally means accepting the default |
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| 14:55.22 | liable | hark: but i cant see any urls i have entered. and its shitting me. |
| 14:55.23 | Bushmills | adv_: what does dpkg -l inetd show? |
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| 14:56.02 | Dewi | liable: maybe you just get the URLs *I'm* entering, and I haven't been on the web much tonight |
| 14:56.13 | NetNiet | if i wanne remove the kde desktop ( so i can switch to xfce) what package should i remove ? |
| 14:56.26 | Dewi | liable: hmm, this was meant to be satire on browser security but I'm just too tired. |
| 14:56.28 | liable | Dewi: yes, i was wondering about the donkey love one.. ;) |
| 14:56.31 | crashanddie | say I have some 20-30 boxes, I want to maintain those as painlessly as possible. But I need all of them to be up-to-date. I've read up about apt-cacher, but now my question is, how can I get all the machines to install the packages I need, without going through all the boxes manually ? |
| 14:56.32 | justin | NetNiet: you don't need to remove kde to switch to xfce |
| 14:56.49 | adv_ | Bushmills: No packages found matching inetd. |
| 14:56.51 | crashanddie | I've been thinking about writing a script that would fetch a list of packages, and install accordingly, but that doesn't sound very "clean" |
| 14:56.53 | adv_ | i have removed it |
| 14:56.57 | crashanddie | Anyone have an idea ? |
| 14:57.04 | Bushmills | adv_: and dpkg -l xinetd ? |
| 14:57.14 | NetNiet | justin: I wanne have my diskspace back (it's a small notebook) |
| 14:57.28 | Dewi | crashanddie: aptitude install package1 package2 package3 |
| 14:57.34 | justin | NetNiet: removing kdelibs4c2a would get most of it |
| 14:57.49 | NetNiet | justin: thx |
| 14:57.51 | crashanddie | Dewi, lol ? This a bad joke or what ? |
| 14:57.52 | justin | NetNiet: if you use a recent aptitude/apt just removing 'kde' or 'kdebase' might do it as well |
| 14:57.59 | Dewi | crashanddie: no, that's how it works |
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| 14:58.13 | crashanddie | Dewi, I'm talking about 20-30 boxes (=systems) I want to maintain at once, not 30 packages on one box |
| 14:58.13 | Dewi | crashanddie: just give it a list of packages any way you want |
| 14:58.18 | jelly | adv_: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/proftpd.templates , there should be a Default: line for each question with multiple choices |
| 14:58.19 | adv_ | Bushmills: un xinetd <none> (no description available) |
| 14:58.29 | Bushmills | adv_: sorry about the first, that should have been dpkg -l inetutils-inetd |
| 14:58.38 | Dewi | crashanddie: so copy/paste, record in a file, stream over ssh, do whatever you want, it's some words on a command line |
| 14:59.12 | crashanddie | Dewi, yeah, well i've been thinking about doing it over ssh, but 30 times is going to be a bit of a PITA... Surely there must be a way ? |
| 14:59.16 | NetNiet | justin: 239 to remove .. Yep that works :-) |
| 14:59.17 | adv_ | jelly: thanks! Default: standalone |
| 14:59.42 | adv_ | Bushmills: un inetutils-inetd <none> (no description available) |
| 14:59.44 | crashanddie | especially when we might be getting about 30 boxes extra... So that brings it up to 60 |
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| 14:59.47 | adv_ | what does that mean? |
| 14:59.51 | Dewi | crashanddie: ssh centralserver 'cat my_packages.txt' | xargs sudo aptitude install |
| 14:59.54 | Burps | crashanddie: you can script the list of your remote boxes.... |
| 14:59.57 | jelly | Bushmills: openbsd-inetd is default in etch |
| 15:00.43 | Dewi | crashanddie: I often put ssh in a while loop; as long as you (the person running it) has an ssh agent loaded with all the necessary keys |
| 15:01.08 | crashanddie | Dewi, yeah, we've coded it like that for a while |
| 15:01.14 | Bushmills | jelly, ah, thanks. will get there, i suppose dpkg will tell its version number |
| 15:01.20 | crashanddie | Dewi, but the problem is, if some box isn't up, it doesn't get updated |
| 15:01.35 | Dewi | crashanddie: the place it gets really tricky is when you need non-default configuration rolled out everywhere |
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| 15:01.43 | Dewi | crashanddie: after a while it becomes a real mess |
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| 15:02.13 | crashanddie | Dewi, not a problem, those are student-stations, plain default, we haven't changed a config file in 10 years :P |
| 15:03.04 | Dewi | crashanddie: well, when it comes to 'aptitude install' there's no harm in running it again and again, so boxes that were down can easily "Catch up" |
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| 15:03.28 | crashanddie | Dewi, I was thinking about compiling a file on some server, and each box would download that list on bootup, and install the missing packages |
| 15:03.31 | coondog08 | what can you do if your dpkg is messed up? |
| 15:03.39 | crashanddie | Dewi, compiling as in, creating a list of packages we need |
| 15:03.56 | Dewi | crashanddie: I don't think you need to work out what's missing, apt will do that for you |
| 15:04.03 | justin | crashanddie: there are various scripts using cron+apt to do automated updates |
| 15:04.04 | Dewi | crashanddie: it won't try to install stuff that's already installed |
| 15:04.07 | Bushmills | adv_: dpkg -l openbsd-inetd it'd be then |
| 15:04.07 | crashanddie | Dewi, well, that's what I meant |
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| 15:04.53 | coondog08 | there is something about an error with packages.c when doing apt-get --configure -a |
| 15:04.53 | Dewi | crashanddie: if defaults are fine you can adjust the priority for debconf so it never / almost never asks questions |
| 15:04.54 | sladi | stew:I see I'll just copy my kernel.deb to the diskless folder and install chrooted |
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| 15:05.54 | adv_ | Bushmills: it has ii |
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| 15:06.03 | adv_ | what does that mean? |
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| 15:06.30 | Bushmills | adv_: what version of inetd? |
| 15:06.43 | yukito | erm, is everyone aware of this Pete_And_Pete guy trying to sell bra's to men joining #debian? |
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| 15:06.55 | Bushmills | adv_: just paste the line |
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| 15:07.04 | jelly | adv_: paste "dpkg -l libc6 openbsd-inetd|tail -2" |
| 15:07.13 | Bushmills | one line is ok to paste |
| 15:07.21 | jelly | two too |
| 15:07.34 | crashanddie | justin, got a link ? |
| 15:07.42 | adv_ | when i do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, does it include reload? |
| 15:08.02 | adv_ | ii openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver |
| 15:08.02 | justin | crashanddie: apt-cache search cron apt |
| 15:08.09 | jelly | adv_: and libc6? |
| 15:08.21 | adv_ | yeah |
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| 15:08.32 | jelly | adv_: paste it. |
| 15:08.35 | Bushmills | adv_: grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf |
| 15:08.37 | adv_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:08.51 | stew | yukito: it looks like he has already been k-lined. in such a thing happens in the future, please don't hesitate to alert channel operators by uttering something like "!ops Pete_and_Pete is on-join spamming" which will cause the bot to alert us |
| 15:09.08 | adv_ | #<off># ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 15:09.13 | yukito | will do |
| 15:09.22 | stew | thanks |
| 15:09.26 | adv_ | what does ii mean? |
| 15:09.28 | Dave2 | Please do report whenever you see it, it's a persistant person who's evading a lot. |
| 15:09.49 | Bushmills | just looked what inetd you have, that i know what config file to look at |
| 15:09.58 | stew | adv_: there is a legend at the top of the dpkg output, the first i means you requested that the package be installed, the second i means that the package is currently installed |
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| 15:10.29 | Bushmills | adv_: and your ftp server runs standaline |
| 15:10.31 | Bushmills | alone |
| 15:10.32 | adv_ | ok thanks |
| 15:10.45 | adv_ | what about the apache question? |
| 15:11.03 | Dewi | yukito: but if you see a guy wandering around the channel wearing only a bra, just remind me to get dressed, sometimes I am forgetful |
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| 15:11.24 | ktwilight_ | here's a random question,will FF3 make it into lenny? |
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| 15:11.55 | stew | ktwilight_: it depends on when it is released |
| 15:11.57 | Bushmills | !8ball will FF3 make it into lenny? |
| 15:11.57 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 15:11.58 | Dewi | ktwilight_: I would have thought so, but possibly under another name involving weasels |
| 15:12.16 | ktwilight_ | Dewi, hm, understood about the name thing. |
| 15:12.21 | infinitycircuit | ktwilight_, ideally, after perl 5.10 and python 2.5, xulrunner 1.9 was supposed to be the last major transition i think |
| 15:12.39 | ktwilight_ | lifts his hopes up to the sky for Lenny |
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| 15:13.12 | ktwilight_ | hm, python2.5 is in lenny though. |
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| 15:13.50 | ptman | Hi! Is there someone with kernel knowledge here? The web server I administer (actually a reverse proxy) got somehow DDoSed by a host with the ip 124.156.68.107 |
| 15:14.02 | Dewi | ktwilight_: hmm, might be a near thing. most recent updates talk of a possible full freeze by july, so hopefully FF3 does get out the door in the next week or 2 |
| 15:14.17 | ptman | I don't know how that is possible, it stopped when I started dropping all packets from that ip |
| 15:14.26 | ptman | I'm running the latest debian stable kernel on the machine |
| 15:14.27 | ktwilight_ | that'd be awesome :) though i also hope that lenny gets released asap hehe :) |
| 15:14.35 | ktwilight_ | tries not to be greedy and be more flexible |
| 15:14.44 | ptman | if someone is interested to investigate further, please contact me |
| 15:15.08 | ptman | now I'm going home, I've been at work for ten hours and I need to be someplace else |
| 15:15.41 | Bushmills | ptman: a DDoS is an attack by many server, not just by one |
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| 15:15.52 | neoark | anyone know whay pear install pear/MDB2#mysql is not working |
| 15:15.58 | neoark | its spitting out error |
| 15:16.03 | ptman | Bushmills: right, I should only have used DoS |
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| 15:16.13 | Dewi | ptman: what kind of DOS packets? |
| 15:16.20 | neoark | /tmp/glibctestY0ruyS:1:22: error: features.h: No such file or directory |
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| 15:16.56 | Bushmills | oh. china. i have plenty of chinese nets on DROP |
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| 15:17.07 | hoxu | ptman, syn flood or what? |
| 15:17.08 | justin | ptman: have your upstream provider block them |
| 15:17.09 | Deezire | Are there being made changes to apt-mirrors? I get that all apt-mirrors are bad and that they do not include the Release-file. |
| 15:17.30 | Bushmills | but 124.156 is not on the lit |
| 15:17.31 | Bushmills | list |
| 15:17.42 | ptman | I was dumb enough to not capture the network traffic then, and now tcpdump isn't seeing any packets |
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| 15:18.11 | Bushmills | ptman: want to compare against your bogie nets? http://wiki.forthfreak.net/index.cgi?BlockedAddresses |
| 15:18.11 | ptman | but shouldn't current kernels handle syn flood quite well? |
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| 15:18.37 | ptman | Bushmills: thank you |
| 15:18.38 | justin | ptman: the kernel can't do much if your connection is saturated |
| 15:18.51 | ptman | justin: oh, the connection was not saturated |
| 15:19.21 | ptman | bummer, I really should've dumped the traffic when I could |
| 15:19.33 | ptman | well, maybe I'll be better prepared next time |
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| 15:19.44 | ptman | thank you for the pointers |
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| 15:20.34 | justin | ptman: find /proc/|grep syn |
| 15:20.40 | justin | ptman: there are some options you can enable |
| 15:21.06 | ptman | justin: thank you |
| 15:21.13 | ptman | I'll have to look into it tomorrow |
| 15:21.27 | S4nD3r | my pendrive USB do not is automounted when inserted, what to do to change it?? |
| 15:21.33 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome |
| 15:21.50 | ptman | hey, now I started getting packets |
| 15:21.58 | halflife08 | hello folks, i have lenny installed on /dev/sda3, i would like use a usb (running lenny) to boot sda3, currently i have the grub on USB have enteries such as what kernel and initrd image to load for sda3, i rather like to have grub from usb stick pass of control to grub on /dev/sda3, would is possible using chainloader ? or are there better ways to do it, i can't mess with the current bootloadr on /dev/sda |
| 15:21.59 | ptman | looks like a syn-flood all right |
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| 15:22.13 | Dewi | !tell S4nD3r about automount |
| 15:22.23 | ptman | S 878589402:878589402(0) win 65535 <mss 1440,nop,wscale 3,nop,nop,sackOK> |
| 15:23.04 | neoark | Error message: extension mysql is not compiled into PHP |
| 15:23.08 | neoark | how do u fix that? |
| 15:23.14 | justin | neoark: apt-cache search mysql php |
| 15:23.14 | Bushmills | ptman: check your /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:23.27 | wols | halflife08: chainloader can do it |
| 15:23.36 | Bushmills | ptman: especially for the line net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies=1 |
| 15:23.48 | ptman | Bushmills: it's uncommented |
| 15:23.56 | ptman | shouldn't be? |
| 15:23.58 | Sysctl___ | hey folks, out of curiousity, how important is it really to give the 'root' user a password after the default installation of mysql on debian when the 'root' user is limited to just that database server and your database is not directly exposed to the public internet? |
| 15:24.09 | halflife08 | wols: thanks for confirming |
| 15:24.16 | Bushmills | uncommented means, no leading # ? |
| 15:24.30 | Dewi | Sysctl___: every bit helps |
| 15:24.41 | neoark | justin ah k |
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| 15:25.01 | Dewi | Sysctl___: for example, if you are running PHP apps, they have access to your database, and if one PHP app gets compromised, you don't really want them taking over every mysql database |
| 15:25.11 | ptman | Bushmills: bah, no, I'm mixing things up, it's commented, it has a leading #-sign |
| 15:25.21 | Bushmills | ptman: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 15:25.29 | Sysctl___ | Dewi: Well, that wouldnt be possible, since our PHP apps run on another server, which is given another username |
| 15:25.38 | _NoxIn_ | Sysctl___: if not any local user can connect using this account on the mysql server |
| 15:25.41 | ptman | Bushmills: 0 |
| 15:25.56 | Bushmills | disabled |
| 15:26.00 | Dewi | Sysctl___: what's stopping it from using the username 'root'? |
| 15:26.07 | Dewi | Sysctl___: if the password is obvious... |
| 15:26.10 | ptman | so if I enable that, it'll keep track of SYN-packets and prevent this from happening again? |
| 15:26.20 | Sysctl___ | root user is limited to localhost in thye mysdq.user table |
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| 15:26.43 | Dewi | Sysctl___: oh, you have other users not limited to localhost |
| 15:26.51 | Sysctl___ | yeop |
| 15:26.52 | Dewi | Sysctl___: I see. Still, every bit helps. |
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| 15:27.24 | Sysctl___ | hm, i see your point, but for me, its very convieniet not to have to type in yet another password |
| 15:27.25 | Sysctl___ | ;) |
| 15:27.29 | Bushmills | ptman: yes. |
| 15:27.35 | ptman | Bushmills: thank you |
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| 15:28.57 | Bushmills | ptman: but that you can trace the cause to one server doesn't suggest that yours has been synfloodee |
| 15:28.59 | Bushmills | ded |
| 15:28.59 | Dewi | Sysctl___: in postgres you can put passwords in some kind of $HOME/.____rc file. but I can't find anything similar for mysql |
| 15:29.40 | Bushmills | as syn floods are usually with forged different source ip addresses |
| 15:29.59 | Sysctl___ | not much experience with postgresql.... would love to toy around with it one day |
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| 15:30.03 | ptman | right |
| 15:30.08 | stew | we don't actually know this is a synflood as opposed to actually legitimate http requests, do we? |
| 15:30.51 | Bushmills | depends on the likeliness that the page draws chinese users |
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| 15:31.03 | fr00g | hi, what block size is better (by formatting) |
| 15:31.05 | Bushmills | i tend to think "chinese ip -> drop" |
| 15:31.06 | fr00g | the smaller(512) or bigger 4096? |
| 15:31.18 | _NoxIn_ | fr00g: it depend of the usage you have |
| 15:31.42 | Dewi | Bushmills: you could block an awful lot of the internet using that logic |
| 15:31.57 | hoxu | Regarding the screen bug #484647, does anyone remember (or use etch) whether "ctrl-a backspace" worked before (prev window)? |
| 15:31.59 | fr00g | what is the difference? |
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| 15:32.11 | Dewi | Bushmills: USA might be quite high on the list, what with all those broadband connections with zombie windows PCs... |
| 15:32.23 | Bushmills | Dewi: i know. but there are just recurring observations. like, .kr |
| 15:32.58 | Bushmills | Dewi: amazingly, usa is not high on my bogie list, compared to .kr, .ca, and some former soviet republics |
| 15:33.29 | Bushmills | with poland and india on the rise |
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| 15:35.10 | _NoxIn_ | fr00g: if you have many small files ... they still use a complete block on the disque |
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| 15:35.26 | _NoxIn_ | so if you have large blocs you loose space |
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| 15:35.47 | justin | hoxu: it does, it use it all the time |
| 15:35.48 | _NoxIn_ | but if you are going to have large files, large blocs are better |
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| 15:35.55 | _NoxIn_ | if you don't know, use the default |
| 15:36.12 | aarkerio | hi! there is a package to replace msttcorefonts? |
| 15:36.17 | hoxu | justin, checked with etch, it does go to prev window... I guess that broke in newest screen version as well, I'm adding to the bug report |
| 15:36.24 | Dewi | hoxu: works for me now |
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| 15:36.32 | Dewi | hoxu: (in etch) |
| 15:36.33 | aarkerio | I mean, free verdana, tahoma, etc |
| 15:36.37 | hoxu | Dewi, yeah |
| 15:37.01 | hoxu | screen 4.0.3-10 in unstable is breaks some keys, protip: don't upgrade ;) |
| 15:37.25 | Bushmills | dewi, 99% of china visitors fall for a honeypot-like page on a wiki i run. that page even says clearly "autogenerated - don't edit .doesn't make sense, modified pages will revert to previous version" ... and it is usually the topmost page in the list of most recent changed pages ... now why all those chinese visitors attempt to modify that one single page is not beyond my comprehension. |
| 15:37.39 | Bushmills | maybe 99.9% |
| 15:38.20 | Bushmills | also needless to say that connect, edit, save attempt take only a very short time. automated edits. |
| 15:39.20 | Dewi | Bushmills: you |
| 15:39.30 | Dewi | are missing my point; hacked machines are in every country |
| 15:39.44 | Dewi | geographic banning hurts legitimate users |
| 15:40.16 | Dewi | although in cases like china... I don't care that much :P |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | Dewi: only if you really _have_ legitimate users there |
| 15:40.30 | Bushmills | Dewi: i'd counter that i have none, or close to none interested uses in .kr |
| 15:40.34 | dos000 | anyone of you huys had experience with the juniper NetScreen-25 ? i just need to know if had probs with it |
| 15:40.36 | Bushmills | users |
| 15:41.03 | Bushmills | or .ca though with .ca the statisitics are a bit against me due to the large number of people |
| 15:41.33 | dos000 | they say it only allows 25 simultaneous ssh2 conenctions .... i am tempted to just replace it by a debian host |
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| 15:42.14 | Bushmills | and i am not fascist enough to say "if it blocks 999 link spammers, and one legitimate user is affected, than he should use a public proxy to get through" |
| 15:42.17 | Bushmills | now |
| 15:42.22 | Bushmills | s/not/now/ |
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| 15:43.04 | Sysctl___ | bushmills, i believe you meant .cn... .ca is canada |
| 15:43.19 | Bushmills | Sysctl___: yes, you're right |
| 15:43.24 | Bushmills | .cn of course |
| 15:44.43 | Sysctl___ | but i agree with you in some ways, if you are seilling a product that is not relevant to a foreign market, it might be better to have it simply redirect to a static html page with an email address in case they want to contact you... might save you a lot of headaches... most hacking attempts i get on my servers come from russia, china, nigeria and indonesia |
| 15:45.05 | Bushmills | and s/link spammer/compromised, bot-netted machines, abused by link spammers/ |
| 15:45.44 | Sysctl___ | it doesnt mean you are completely protected, but at least you are filtering out a huge chunk of hack attacks or bot scripts that test out common exploits on every server |
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| 15:47.24 | sladi | cu |
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| 15:48.49 | astra | hmm |
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| 15:49.00 | astra | how can I set mtu to 1500 by default? |
| 15:49.05 | justin | astra: that is the default |
| 15:49.11 | Maulkin | It is 1500 by default |
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| 15:50.09 | Danker | Hi |
| 15:50.33 | Danker | Where in Debian is script which is executed by system on boot and after module loading? |
| 15:50.37 | mandudehomiebro | rahul, hey wb |
| 15:50.38 | Danker | Is it /etc/rc.local? |
| 15:50.52 | mandudehomiebro | thought you wanst gonna make it here no more |
| 15:50.55 | mandudehomiebro | word |
| 15:51.09 | hoxu | Danker, open that file and read it |
| 15:51.19 | chops | Danker: Not after module loading, but on boot, yes |
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| 15:51.25 | Danker | hoxu: I read |
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| 15:51.31 | Danker | But I must be sure |
| 15:51.48 | hoxu | Danker, it would help if you told us what the actual problem is that you want to solve |
| 15:52.01 | Danker | I want to load modem firmware on boot |
| 15:52.07 | Danker | It must be done after module loading |
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| 15:52.20 | Danker | If I can't use rc.local |
| 15:52.24 | tosh| | I have php4-common and php4-cgi installed on my webserver. I want to add php5-cgi but when I try to apt-get it, it wants to install php5-common as well, which I don't want. How do I force it to ony install php5-cgi so I can have php5 support through cgi? |
| 15:52.26 | Danker | Then I will make init.d script |
| 15:52.47 | Dewi | tosh|: what's wrong with php5-common? |
| 15:53.03 | wols | tosh|: php5-cgi always needs php5-common. no way around it |
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| 15:53.12 | astra | Maulkin: I mean there is an interface which will be created automatically when its in use and destroy automatically when its not. It has mtu 1396 by default |
| 15:53.18 | astra | I would like to set it to 1500 |
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| 15:53.49 | hoxu | Danker, you can create a script in /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d to link it to runlevels, there might be a better way though |
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| 15:53.56 | Dewi | astra: what is creating it? |
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| 15:54.11 | BW^-4376 | anyone has experience of plugging in huawei E220 into Debian? |
| 15:54.17 | BW^-4376 | ..on installt ime? |
| 15:54.19 | BW^-4376 | time |
| 15:55.19 | astra | Dewi: there is a script |
| 15:55.26 | astra | let me upload somewhere |
| 15:55.48 | hoxu | !enter |
| 15:55.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 15:56.34 | astra | http://pastebin.com/m9f9ed07 |
| 15:56.36 | astra | here it is |
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| 15:56.56 | halflife08 | wols: i did try the chainloader option. but it drops me to a grub shell on /dev/sda3 rather booting grub on /dev/sda3 |
| 15:57.02 | astra | how can I add mtu 1500 to this script? (I added ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1500 but it wasnt worked) |
| 15:57.02 | liable | isnt it great when people wait 30 seconds for an answer and quit.. |
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| 15:57.33 | rahul | bah |
| 15:57.34 | liable | ethtools can do mtu iirc |
| 15:57.35 | Skiver | hello anyone can help me with my fstab |
| 15:57.46 | rahul | it's set for auto joning |
| 15:57.53 | infinitycircuit | Skiver, ask your question and we'll find out :) |
| 15:57.56 | Skiver | /dev/hdd1 /mnt/120g vfat rw,user,auto,codepage=936,iocharset=utf8,umask=0 0 0 |
| 15:57.56 | astra | liable: can you let me know the exact command?:p |
| 15:58.16 | liable | astra: no, however, google should be able to :P |
| 15:58.17 | astra | Dewi: any idea? |
| 15:58.21 | astra | pff |
| 15:58.25 | Skiver | this line of fstab should enable any user account to write to that disk right ? |
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| 15:58.51 | infinitycircuit | astra, ifconfig IFACE mtu XXXX works |
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| 15:59.04 | astra | no |
| 15:59.15 | astra | since interface destroy and recreated |
| 15:59.26 | infinitycircuit | astra, that's what i use...if it doesn't work that's rather strange |
| 15:59.31 | infinitycircuit | what do you mean |
| 16:00.02 | infinitycircuit | Skiver, that allows any user to mount the disk but i believe the permissions of the mountpoint determine rw privileges |
| 16:00.36 | hoxu | infinitycircuit, really? I thought the mountpoint permissions don't determine anything |
| 16:00.55 | infinitycircuit | hoxu, i think i might be dating myself on that actually |
| 16:01.09 | Bushmills | Skiver: no... at least i don't think so. check the gid=value option |
| 16:01.15 | wols | halflife08: they do |
| 16:01.16 | infinitycircuit | i personally use pmount |
| 16:01.32 | hoxu | Skiver, well, I'm assuming it doesn't work as you expect it to, show us the "ls -l" output for whatever file you can't access |
| 16:01.40 | wols | hoxu: they do. they determin rights for . |
| 16:02.08 | hoxu | wols, you mean the root directory of the newly mounted partition? |
| 16:02.16 | wols | !tell Skiver about vfatrw |
| 16:02.17 | Skiver | hoxu: no particular file, i just can't write to it |
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| 16:02.34 | wols | hoxu: yes but I was talking about ext2, not fat |
| 16:02.35 | RoyK | hi. seems php-fpdf doesn't want php5 - any idas? |
| 16:02.53 | RoyK | afaicr it works well if I compile it by hand - why won't the package work? |
| 16:03.03 | fr00g | _NoxIn_: o, thank yo |
| 16:03.05 | wols | Skiver: do what hoxu told you |
| 16:03.19 | wols | !info php-fpdf etch |
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| 16:03.37 | wols | !depends php-fpdf etch |
| 16:03.41 | dpkg | php-fpdf: (PHP class to generate PDF files), section web, is optional. Version: 1.53.dfsg-5 (etch), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 16:03.41 | dpkg | php-fpdf: depends on php4 | php4-cli | php5 | php5-cli |
| 16:03.53 | hoxu | wols, interesting, I wasn't aware of that... I usually set the permissions after mounting :) |
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| 16:04.10 | Skiver | hoxu: drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 32768 1970-01-01 07:30 120g |
| 16:04.22 | Skiver | this the ls of the mountpoint |
| 16:04.28 | wols | Skiver: not the mountpoint. a file on that disk |
| 16:04.33 | RoyK | wols: http://pastebin.com/d1fa208f2 |
| 16:05.04 | wols | RoyK: apt-get instapp php5 php-fpdf |
| 16:05.10 | wols | RoyK: apt-get install php5 php-fpdf |
| 16:05.41 | RoyK | hm. ok. i thought php5 came with libapache-mod-php5 |
| 16:05.43 | infinitycircuit | Skiver, what happened to that date |
| 16:05.45 | RoyK | wols: thanks |
| 16:05.48 | Skiver | wols, hoxu: -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2006-06-16 23:32 /mnt/120g/ip.txt |
| 16:05.56 | infinitycircuit | 1970? |
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| 16:06.10 | Danker | What is debian way to load iptables rules on system startup? |
| 16:06.16 | RoyK | Skiver: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 16:06.17 | wols | Danker: none |
| 16:06.18 | RoyK | Skiver: apt-get install ntpdate ntp |
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| 16:06.22 | Skiver | infinitycircuit: yes i noticed. |
| 16:06.41 | Danker | wols: So again - init.d scripts? x) |
| 16:06.44 | Sargun | How do you install the kernel in debian? |
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| 16:06.54 | infinitycircuit | Danker, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup |
| 16:06.54 | hoxu | Sargun, custom kernel or what? |
| 16:06.56 | wols | for example. /etc/network/interfaces is better in this case |
| 16:07.00 | Sargun | hoxu, Normal kernel |
| 16:07.08 | stew | Sargun: what cpu do you have? |
| 16:07.11 | hoxu | !tell Sargun about search |
| 16:07.11 | halflife08 | wols: aah yes it does work, it was a mistake i made, thanks for the help |
| 16:07.13 | wols | Sargun: like any other package |
| 16:07.19 | Sargun | stew, i586 |
| 16:07.35 | stew | Sargun: aptitude install linux-image-486 |
| 16:07.44 | Skiver | RoyK: it will help the write permission? |
| 16:07.45 | hoxu | Skiver, are you sure the partition is mounted rw (mount -l to check)? |
| 16:07.59 | hoxu | Skiver, what message do you get from touch /mnt/120g/foo? |
| 16:08.05 | Sargun | stew, I did that with apt-get except lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Jun 10 21:29 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 is what I get, and it is a broken link |
| 16:08.12 | RoyK | Skiver: doubt it |
| 16:08.44 | RoyK | Skiver: I didn't get your original question |
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| 16:09.23 | Skiver | hoxu : (mount -l) /dev/hdd1 on /mnt/120g type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,codepage=936,iocharset=utf8,umask=0) |
| 16:09.29 | Sargun | and it says it'll only take up an additional 32.8kB when running the apt command |
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| 16:10.19 | Skiver | hoxu: (touch /mnt/120g/foo) touch: cannot touch `/mnt/120g/foo': Read-only file system |
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| 16:11.09 | wols | Skiver: maybe you should mount it rw then |
| 16:11.15 | oc80z | granma_becky is spamming in here |
| 16:11.23 | oc80z | someone is forwarding the spam from here |
| 16:11.24 | wols | Skiver: possibly fsck it before mounting |
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| 16:11.29 | oc80z | 211.252.233.238 |
| 16:11.31 | hoxu | Skiver, do you happen to be in single user mode or something? |
| 16:11.32 | oc80z | on join spams |
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| 16:11.44 | tombs | nobidy can avoid this spam??? Is the first time I see it in 4 years!! |
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| 16:11.46 | RoyK | Skiver: mount -1? |
| 16:11.49 | Skiver | hoxu: nope. |
| 16:11.52 | oc80z | Huh avoid it? |
| 16:11.57 | oc80z | i was helping the chan out |
| 16:12.03 | Skiver | RoyK: pasted above ^^ |
| 16:12.12 | wols | oc80z: good job |
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| 16:12.44 | Skiver | wols: (fstab) /dev/hdd1 /mnt/120g vfat rw,user,auto,codepage=936,iocharset=utf8,umask=0 0 0 |
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| 16:12.59 | wols | Skiver: touch: cannot touch `/mnt/120g/foo': Read-only file system |
| 16:13.06 | wols | Skiver: check your logs |
| 16:13.06 | RoyK | Skiver: what does 'mount' say? |
| 16:13.07 | Dave2 | oc80z, gone, thanks. |
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| 16:13.22 | RoyK | as in 'mount grep 120g' |
| 16:13.26 | RoyK | as in 'mount | grep 120g' |
| 16:13.31 | hoxu | Skiver, you mount as the same user as you try to touch the file, right? |
| 16:13.34 | Fefo | hi there ? does somebody know some GOOD how to to domaincontroller running on debian + sambashares OC |
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| 16:13.49 | Sling | openldap? |
| 16:14.01 | Fefo | for what ? |
| 16:14.03 | Skiver | hoxu, RoyK , wols : (mount) /dev/hdd1 on /mnt/120g type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,codepage=936,iocharset=utf8,umask=0) |
| 16:14.08 | Fefo | Skiver: auth ? |
| 16:14.10 | RoyK | Skiver: are you root? |
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| 16:14.18 | Fefo | Skiver: sorry bad TAB ;) |
| 16:14.23 | Fefo | Sling: for auth ? |
| 16:14.39 | Fefo | i need to migrate it from win2k to debian |
| 16:14.50 | Skiver | RoyK: no |
| 16:15.14 | Sling | Fefo : yea ldap supports authentication as well |
| 16:15.23 | RoyK | Skiver: try touching something as root |
| 16:15.33 | Skiver | hoxu: the point is, i want ANYONE can touch. |
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| 16:15.36 | RoyK | touch /dev/babe |
| 16:15.48 | Fefo | Sling: yes, but can i migrate from win2k usernames and passwords to openldap ? |
| 16:16.02 | RoyK | Skiver: I see - but try that first to see if that works |
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| 16:16.30 | Skiver | RoyK: file created. |
| 16:16.35 | hoxu | Skiver, as root? |
| 16:16.41 | Fefo | :) |
| 16:16.41 | RoyK | Skiver: sec |
| 16:16.43 | Sling | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Authenticate_from_Active_Directory_using_OpenLDAP |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | Fefo: you know there's a #ldap right ? |
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| 16:17.05 | Fefo | abrotman: this isnt question regarding to ldap |
| 16:17.15 | abrotman | <Fefo> Sling: yes, but can i migrate from win2k usernames and passwords to openldap ? |
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| 16:17.17 | abrotman | it's not ? |
| 16:17.38 | hoxu | Skiver, now read the "/msg dpkg vfatrw" factoid you were told about earlier, and try using uid/gid options instead |
| 16:17.43 | abrotman | Fefo: ah .. you want #samba .. and yes you can run a PDC on linux with samba |
| 16:17.46 | Sling | ldap can do much AD can |
| 16:17.49 | Sling | openldap* |
| 16:17.51 | Sling | but not all |
| 16:18.42 | Skiver | hoxu: is there an UNIVERSAL uid then ? |
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| 16:18.52 | Fefo | Sling: thanks |
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| 16:20.25 | RoyK | Skiver: I tried from here 'sudo mount -o loop,umask=0 -t vfat /root/test.fat x; touch x/test' - works well |
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| 16:21.05 | DexterF | XFS: Filesystem sdg1 has duplicate UUID - can't mount <- wt*F*? |
| 16:21.13 | ArthurArchnix | I've been using keepassx for a while to store my passwords and usernames. I just have so many that I need a secure way to keep track of them all. But when I went to install it on this new Lenny system of mine I noticed that it basically installs QT-everything. If this is the only app i have that uses qt will it affect system performance? I don't use it that often. So I don't care if it's slower. And I don't care about the HD space. If so, is there a |
| 16:21.34 | justin | ArthurArchnix: no issue. |
| 16:21.45 | tralala | Hi. I've got two annoying problems with kde in etch (amd64). The numpad acts as a mouse on boot, and i have to use shift+numlock to switch it back to normal every time. Where is this controlled? The scroll wheel acts as a right click every time I scroll. Very annoying. Is there a setting for this one as well? |
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| 16:22.11 | ArthurArchnix | Justin, they're just libraries and stuff that sit there waiting to be used if called upon, right? |
| 16:22.15 | justin | ArthurArchnix: yep |
| 16:22.23 | ArthurArchnix | justin: Cool. Thanks for that. |
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| 16:22.41 | astra | hmm |
| 16:22.43 | RoyK | Skiver: As in 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/test.fat bs=1M count=128 ; sudo mkfs.vfat /root/test.fat ; sudo mount -o loop,umask=0 -t vfat /root/test.fat x; touch x/test' - works well |
| 16:22.46 | hoxu | Skiver, create a group for the purpose and add all users to it, or use the "users" group |
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| 16:23.15 | RoyK | hoxu: there aren't unix permissions on vfat |
| 16:23.38 | RoyK | hoxu: that's controlled with umsak - so it should work with his current setup |
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| 16:24.25 | infinitycircuit | tralala, go to kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse to stop the arrows from moving the mouse |
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| 16:24.50 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 16:24.51 | Skiver | hoxu: dkpg's method doesn't work |
| 16:24.52 | BW^- | hi! i have a 2gb flash stick and want to install debian. my internet access is via a huawei e220 usb hsdpa modem, that doesn't seem to work in the installer. now, is there any single 650MB ISO file that i could download and put on the flash stick in order to install all the BASE stuff of debian from the flash card onto the harddrive? |
| 16:24.59 | HardDisk_WP | i have a server running apcupsd |
| 16:25.06 | HardDisk_WP | can i remote control the ups now? |
| 16:25.09 | HardDisk_WP | and if yes, how? |
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| 16:25.15 | BW^- | i'm sure the BASE installation would have the huawei support i need, so that i could install even more as soon as i just have the base in |
| 16:25.35 | justin | BW^-: the install guide explains how to do that |
| 16:25.38 | BW^- | slxix: so here's thec ontinuation :) |
| 16:25.38 | Skiver | hoxu: (mount) /dev/hdd1 on /mnt/120g type vfat (rw,codepage=936,iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 16:25.41 | solid_liq | I don't get it... nvidia-glx is in sarge, etch, and sid, but not lenny? what gives? |
| 16:25.48 | infinitycircuit | BW^-, yeah you can just grab either the xfce4, kde3, or gnome cds |
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| 16:25.54 | tralala | infinitycircuit, nice, thanks. |
| 16:26.23 | Skiver | hoxu : (touch /mnt/120g/foo) touch: cannot touch `/mnt/120g/foo': Read-only file system |
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| 16:26.37 | solid_liq | !nvidia-glx |
| 16:26.57 | infinitycircuit | solid_liq, from the wiki: NVIDIA packages are currently not in testing due to lack of maintainance, a Linux bug and X server 1.4's ABI change. |
| 16:27.18 | BW^- | infinitycircuit: my flash stick is already bootable. so i download the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso . is there any particular vmlinuz or initdr i should use? (i have them from netinst right now) |
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| 16:27.33 | hoxu | RoyK, check what mount fat options says about uid/gid |
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| 16:27.48 | solid_liq | infinitycircuit: so will the downloaded version work? |
| 16:28.10 | RoyK | hoxu: see above what I did to test it - works for me...... |
| 16:28.11 | Skiver | hoxu: (dmesg) FAT: Filesystem panic (dev hdd1) fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 16:28.40 | infinitycircuit | solid_liq, yes probably. you may have to export CC=4.1 or something else depending on your gcc version |
| 16:28.54 | BW^- | justin: what url? |
| 16:29.08 | hoxu | Skiver, duh, it's probably getting remounted as read-only because of errors |
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| 16:29.36 | RoyK | Skiver: man fsck.vfat |
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| 16:31.17 | hoxu | Skiver, this is a good opportunity to take backups btw |
| 16:32.32 | RoyK | hoxu: do you have a spare disk that can hold the partition(s) on the 120GB drive_ |
| 16:32.34 | RoyK | hoxu: do you have a spare disk that can hold the partition(s) on the 120GB drive? |
| 16:32.58 | RoyK | hoxu: if so - dd each partition to the other drive |
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| 16:33.21 | hoxu | wrong target... |
| 16:33.34 | RoyK | hoxu: huh? |
| 16:33.46 | justin | BW^-: /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:33.52 | Skiver | brb |
| 16:33.53 | RoyK | dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/some/mount/point/hdd1.fat |
| 16:34.01 | RoyK | dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/some/mount/point/hdd1.fat bs=1M |
| 16:34.01 | justin | hoxu: if it is getting remounted read only because of errors dmseg would say so |
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| 16:34.40 | hoxu | justin, we don't really know whether Skiver showed us all output |
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| 16:35.13 | BW^- | justin: ? |
| 16:35.18 | BW^- | ah |
| 16:36.45 | BW^- | justin: well right, but, what i'm trying to do is far outside the installation guide! |
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| 16:36.50 | dom_ | Moin! |
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| 16:37.04 | BW^- | justin: i want to put a cd-rom ISO on a flash card. uh. : ) |
| 16:37.08 | dom_ | Is there a automatic way to build a debian package from an small mozilla extension? |
| 16:38.02 | dom_ | I have to distribute it to hundreds of computers, so i have to package them anyway but as mozilla installs them also in some kind of automatic fasion, i still have hopes that i don't have to do so much... :) |
| 16:38.53 | tosh| | I have php4 right now installed on my apache2, but for a certain website I need php5. I want to install php5 through apt-get and then have php4 compiled as a CGI but when trying to run the configure script, it needs certain packages that I try to install through apt, but everytime it proposes to install the whole php5 package as well, which I don't want. any ideas on how to get out of this? or a way to combine the two in a different wa |
| 16:38.53 | tosh| | y? |
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| 16:39.54 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: why are you using the configure script |
| 16:40.10 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: just install libapache2-mod-php5 and then php4-cgi or vice versa. |
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| 16:40.28 | themill | tosh|: why not use mod_php5 for php5 and the php4-cgi for php4? (or the other way around). All of this can be done with the debian packages. Yeah, what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 16:46.47 | solid_liq | hmm, k, my connection died for several minutes... did anyone know if the driver downloaded from nvidia will work with lenny? |
| 16:47.01 | helo | does etch include the skge network card driver? |
| 16:47.05 | defrysk | solid_liq, it will |
| 16:47.15 | defrysk | it you have the last stable version that is |
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| 16:47.39 | solid_liq | defrysk: the last stable version? |
| 16:47.53 | solid_liq | defrysk: of what? the driver? lenny? |
| 16:47.58 | solid_liq | lenny's kernel I mean |
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| 16:48.09 | defrysk | the driver downloaded from nvidia |
| 16:48.21 | solid_liq | defrysk: k great, thanks! |
| 16:48.48 | halflife08 | is there a way to make grub prompt for a password before it boots any kernel in the list ? |
| 16:49.14 | solid_liq | halflife08: yeah, plus you can do a bios password if you want |
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| 16:50.20 | halflife08 | solid_liq: how would i do that grub part ? |
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| 16:52.01 | helo | is there an easy way to modify the udev persistent net rules so that if the devices listed aren't present, eth0 and 1 will be reused? |
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| 16:53.39 | triak | i would like to know allso |
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| 16:54.11 | Rerogo | hi, I'm using alsa on 2.6.24 on a P4 and i dismounted an nfs fs before shutting down audacious, which left my soundcard locked when I had to kill it |
| 16:54.18 | solid_liq | halflife08: you'll have to google for that, I don't know off the top of my head |
| 16:54.36 | Rerogo | google is giving me nothing, so I wanted to ask if anyone knew how to force-unlock a sound card under alsa |
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| 16:55.27 | tosh| | themill, php4-cgi isn't in the unstable apt tree anymore? |
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| 16:55.38 | themill | tosh|: no, php4 is dead. |
| 16:56.05 | themill | tosh|: /msg dpkg php4 |
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| 16:56.38 | stew | seanius was even trying to tell me that php4 was going to be removed from etch. but i'll believe that when I see it |
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| 16:57.34 | themill | stew: I somehow doubt that would happen too. Pity, in some ways though. But there will be php stuff in etch that doesn't run with php5. |
| 16:58.08 | tosh| | so I'm screwed basically |
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| 16:58.24 | stew | tosh|: can you not just upgrade everything to php5? |
| 16:58.39 | tosh| | I have wordpress blogs on this webserver that don't like php5 |
| 16:59.30 | AbsintheSyringe | after last upgrade (not dist-upgrade) my gnome started acting funny, power-manager icon never changes (when it changes state), also deluge icon is just huge in my panel and etc ... any suggestions? debian testing |
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| 17:01.40 | bkw | How do I convert e.g 16:00 today to unixtime using date ? |
| 17:02.00 | abrotman | man date? |
| 17:02.50 | Rerogo | will date let you set a custom time without actually changing the system clock? |
| 17:03.26 | Rerogo | no... nevermind |
| 17:03.31 | S4nD3r | what to do to usb stick be mounted automatically ??? |
| 17:03.32 | Rerogo | first option on the manpage |
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| 17:03.57 | Rerogo | S4nD3r: you mean automatically whenever you plug it in? |
| 17:04.02 | astra1 | http://pastebin.com/m9f9ed07 |
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| 17:04.18 | astra1 | http://pastebin.com/m9f9ed07 |
| 17:04.20 | stew | bkw: date -d "16:00 today" +%s |
| 17:04.28 | astra1 | how can I put mtu 1500 in this script? |
| 17:04.44 | S4nD3r | when I plug, I just know that theres new device |
| 17:04.49 | Rerogo | S4nD3r: you have to run a daemon |
| 17:04.50 | S4nD3r | this is showed in nautilus |
| 17:04.57 | S4nD3r | which daemon?? |
| 17:05.13 | Rerogo | probably "automount", i just do it by hand, so idk |
| 17:05.24 | Rerogo | you could also write a shell script to mount as soon as the device file shows up |
| 17:06.29 | juliank | stew, bkw: Better include the time zone, at least if you want to run it somewhere else: e.g. date -d "16:00 UTC" +%s |
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| 17:06.52 | astra1 | anybody for my issue? |
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| 17:07.20 | abrotman | prescribes astra1 some anti-depressants |
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| 17:07.50 | bkw | stew: thanks! would it be possible to define a specific date also instead of today. e.g date -d "16:00 14/3 2008" +%s = |
| 17:07.56 | helo | when manually installing grub, you usually do "root (hd0)" "setup (hd0,1) ? |
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| 17:08.15 | helo | is that about right... |
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| 17:08.24 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 17:08.27 | Rerogo | i think it's the other way around |
| 17:08.28 | helo | i can't remember if it is root(hd0,1); setup(hd0) |
| 17:08.31 | juliank | bkw: yes |
| 17:08.32 | Rerogo | root (hd0,1) |
| 17:08.37 | Rerogo | setup (hd0) |
| 17:08.43 | juliank | bkw: Try it yourself. |
| 17:08.46 | Rerogo | because you setup in the mbr, which is on the whole disk |
| 17:08.50 | thingfish | hi abrotman |
| 17:08.52 | Rerogo | but the root is the partition |
| 17:08.52 | helo | cool |
| 17:08.59 | _NoxIn_ | astra1: usually you define the mtu in the peer defition in /etc/ppp/ if I remember well, not in these scripts |
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| 17:10.41 | DynV | is there a way to easily install Java client and SDK ? |
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| 17:10.58 | themill | dpkg: tell DynV about install java |
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| 17:11.16 | somedude | i am trying to access a ntfs partition but i am denied |
| 17:11.23 | themill | DynV: use the -sdk package as well as / instead of the -plugin package that dpkg just told you about |
| 17:11.47 | Rerogo | somedude: denied what? |
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| 17:12.11 | BW^- | justin: ah, there was actually a short note about big ISO on flash stick in the manual, in 4.4.3.. Thanks! |
| 17:12.18 | somedude | it says Operation not permitted whenever i try to do something |
| 17:12.20 | somedude | even though i'm root |
| 17:12.43 | stew | somedude: how did you mount the partition? |
| 17:12.49 | somedude | mount -t ntfs |
| 17:12.53 | Mightyply`Aw | How would I delete a directory + every dirs and files in it? |
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| 17:13.07 | stew | somedude: you want to use ntfs3g for write support: /msg dpkg ntfs3g |
| 17:13.17 | somedude | oh i see |
| 17:13.45 | defrysk | Mightyply`Aw, rm -rf /path/to/folder |
| 17:13.49 | _NoxIn_ | Mightyply`Aw: "rm -rf directory" but be VERY carrefull where you are and what you erase ... |
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| 17:14.07 | stew | and if you are going to be very careful, don't use -f, just -r |
| 17:14.47 | mandudehomiebro | stew, hi |
| 17:14.48 | Mightyply`Aw | Well.. It's not like I remove any (useful) directory |
| 17:14.50 | Mightyply`Aw | :P |
| 17:14.55 | mandudehomiebro | stew, I heard that rm -rd is not good |
| 17:15.03 | DynV | themill: ty |
| 17:15.09 | mandudehomiebro | -d can cuase problems, but you can tell how? |
| 17:15.18 | stew | mandudehomiebro: i don't know what -d does |
| 17:15.21 | mandudehomiebro | i think rahul also once said that rm -rd can do bad stuff no sure exactly how |
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| 17:15.29 | mandudehomiebro | directory i think stew |
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| 17:15.53 | stew | mandudehomiebro: i don't know. i've don't remember ever seeing -d and it is not in the manpage |
| 17:16.01 | _NoxIn_ | it remove a directory, even if it's not empty |
| 17:16.02 | mandudehomiebro | d, --directory |
| 17:16.02 | mandudehomiebro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.03 | mandudehomiebro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.20 | mandudehomiebro | supports `unlink' for nonempty directories) |
| 17:16.24 | mandudehomiebro | ... not sure what this means |
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| 17:16.39 | stew | it means you are going to potentially orphan a lot of inodes |
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| 17:16.43 | mandudehomiebro | oh |
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| 17:16.55 | stew | i think |
| 17:17.02 | mandudehomiebro | yeh im not too sure either |
| 17:17.05 | jelly-hme | does that really work? |
| 17:17.05 | hoxu | what rm is that? |
| 17:17.06 | stew | doesn't sound like something i'd use unless you knew exactly what you were doing |
| 17:17.08 | mandudehomiebro | rahul, ping |
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| 17:17.25 | mandudehomiebro | stew, you are right, I wouldn't either, I was just curious |
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| 17:17.35 | mandudehomiebro | if you happen to find out, let me know |
| 17:17.36 | _NoxIn_ | I can't see why one would like to use this -d |
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| 17:17.47 | mandudehomiebro | netsplit? |
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| 17:18.04 | KineticBug | no |
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| 17:18.18 | Rerogo | so does anyone know anything about my also lock issues? |
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| 17:19.30 | cloakable | Would putting ALL: ALL in hosts.deny and explicitly allowing access in hosts.allow be a good idea? |
| 17:19.39 | chops | _NoxIn_: It'd be a tricky way to hide files in a way that even superuser wouldn't notice them (and then have them show up again in /lost+found on the next fsck, I think). It'd also be useful for repairing a badly broken filesystem in some cases. I definitely would not use it except in very special circumstances. |
| 17:19.57 | mandudehomiebro | <_NoxIn_> it remove a directory, even if it's not empty <-- im not sure i fully understand how a empty vs non empty directory works |
| 17:19.58 | somedude | how can you use the backports |
| 17:20.08 | mandudehomiebro | !tell somedude -about bpo |
| 17:20.08 | stew | somedude: read the instructsions page at backports.org |
| 17:20.25 | _NoxIn_ | chops: probably |
| 17:20.30 | Rerogo | cloakable: depends. which is processed first? |
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| 17:20.46 | simonrvn | deny is |
| 17:20.54 | Rerogo | ok, |
| 17:21.01 | Rerogo | then yes, yes it is a good idea |
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| 17:21.46 | _NoxIn_ | mandudehomiebro: a directory is basicaly an inode to a list of contained "inodes" ... remove a directory simply means deleting the inode |
| 17:21.58 | somedude | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.05 | somedude | is that bad |
| 17:22.09 | simonrvn | see /topic |
| 17:22.14 | defrysk | somedude, read the backportspage |
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| 17:22.23 | somedude | msg dpkg no public key |
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| 17:22.25 | stew | somedude: it's up to you. if you want to verify those packages, read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 17:22.25 | cloakable | simonrvn: I thought allow was processed first as a whitelist, according to tfm |
| 17:22.50 | bromandude | _NoxIn_, ohhh that makes sense |
| 17:22.52 | bromandude | thanks |
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| 17:22.55 | simonrvn | it is? lemme check. i remembered the opposite. |
| 17:23.03 | cloakable | man hosts.allow |
| 17:23.30 | simonrvn | you're right, my bad |
| 17:23.36 | cloakable | heh |
| 17:23.46 | cloakable | but would it still be a good idea? |
| 17:23.54 | simonrvn | always good to get a reminder :) |
| 17:24.10 | simonrvn | i do that.. works out ok |
| 17:24.21 | cloakable | Setting ALL:ALL would mean hosts.allow would be a whitelist |
| 17:24.24 | simonrvn | i.e., works as expected |
| 17:24.28 | cloakable | cool |
| 17:24.40 | cloakable | does it work for all daemons? |
| 17:24.46 | cloakable | like samba? :P |
| 17:24.47 | solid_liq | the build of the nvidia driver fails on lenny... I have linux-headers and build essential installed, but it gives me a vague error about making sure I have the configured kernel sources installed |
| 17:24.52 | simonrvn | e.g., i deny anything not in my networks, then set allows for exceptions |
| 17:25.00 | solid_liq | any idea what the problem may be? |
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| 17:25.08 | cloakable | yup |
| 17:25.11 | somedude | i did the key instructions but it still says the same thing |
| 17:25.13 | simonrvn | then use hosts.deny for fine tuning |
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| 17:25.25 | stew | somedude: you followed the instructions on backports.org? |
| 17:25.35 | cloakable | simonrvn: not hosts.allow? ;p |
| 17:25.37 | somedude | from the topic |
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| 17:26.04 | simonrvn | .allow is exactly what it says it's for, allow these things to connect |
| 17:26.08 | stew | somedude: follow the instructions at backports.org and then run aptitude update or apt-get update |
| 17:26.22 | somedude | ya i did |
| 17:26.31 | defrysk | somedude, ya sure |
| 17:26.32 | somedude | kind of sketchy to install the keyring to verify the keyring |
| 17:26.35 | stew | somedude: which of the 3 metods did you use to get add the key? |
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| 17:26.42 | somedude | the apt-get one |
| 17:26.46 | simonrvn | cloakable: only if the daemon supports tcpwrappers |
| 17:27.03 | simonrvn | somedude: that's why you verify it first |
| 17:27.04 | stew | somedude: if you find that sketchy, then you can download the key using gpg and then verify your trust path to the key |
| 17:27.17 | simonrvn | usual procedure with gpg keys anyway.... |
| 17:27.20 | defrysk | somedude, instal it , ignore the errormessage , after install update again |
| 17:27.30 | somedude | this is terrible what if someone compromised the archive |
| 17:27.54 | somedude | oh well it doesn't matter there is a dependency error to install the package i wanted in the first place |
| 17:28.28 | somedude | ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed |
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| 17:29.03 | stew | somedude: if you want to install something from backports, follow the instructions page at backports.org |
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| 17:29.34 | defrysk | somedude, its called : rftm |
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| 17:29.56 | somedude | what manual |
| 17:30.00 | stew | defrysk: which manual should be reading? |
| 17:30.04 | somedude | the instruction page says nothing about dependency |
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| 17:30.19 | stew | somedude: what command did you use to try to install ntfs3g ? |
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| 17:30.28 | somedude | apt-get install |
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| 17:30.37 | defrysk | somedude, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 17:30.41 | stew | somedude: what exact command? |
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| 17:31.12 | somedude | oh i see |
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| 17:31.18 | somedude | nevermind i see |
| 17:31.22 | defrysk | geez |
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| 17:35.01 | somedude | the debian fonts look so much better than vistas fonts |
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| 17:35.15 | somedude | i swear it's like an eye relief to go to debian |
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| 17:36.26 | simonrvn | fontconfig is pretty sweet yeh |
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| 17:37.00 | simonrvn | (dunno what the lib name is...) |
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| 17:38.16 | somedude | just curious but why does x-chat have something about opera as a defualt url handler |
| 17:38.19 | somedude | when opera is a non-free |
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| 17:39.04 | bromandude | somedude, its just a right click context menu |
| 17:39.09 | wols | somedude: do you have opera installed and it's your default browser? |
| 17:39.19 | somedude | no not at all |
| 17:39.25 | bromandude | wols, no xchat lists mozilla and konqi even if you don' thave them installed i think |
| 17:39.31 | wols | then file a bug |
| 17:39.32 | bromandude | I know i have no firefox yet it lists firefox |
| 17:39.41 | bromandude | instead of iceweasel |
| 17:39.43 | somedude | i have like everything but opera |
| 17:39.57 | bromandude | those are just upstream menu entries |
| 17:40.00 | somedude | it doesn't matter the gnome browser opens it for some reason |
| 17:40.07 | bromandude | either contact upstream or the debian maintainer |
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| 17:40.09 | somedude | but i was just wondering why the default is a non-free item |
| 17:40.18 | bromandude | I would advise you to contact the maintainer |
| 17:40.23 | bromandude | !maint xchat |
| 17:40.28 | dpkg | xchat: Davide Puricelli (evo) <evo@debian.org> |
| 17:40.37 | simonrvn | file a bug... |
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| 17:40.55 | bromandude | simonrvn, it qualifies at what level of bug? |
| 17:41.02 | bromandude | minor annoyance? :) |
| 17:41.12 | tralala | wish list |
| 17:41.20 | bromandude | oh |
| 17:41.21 | somedude | well first things first i'm trying to get x-chat to use iceweasel to open the urls |
| 17:41.22 | tralala | or minor |
| 17:41.24 | simonrvn | i'd put it under wishlist or such |
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| 17:41.47 | wols | simonrvn: opera itself is more like a policy violatuion |
| 17:42.04 | wols | it should simply take it from /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
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| 17:42.10 | simonrvn | so would including ff |
| 17:42.13 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 17:43.15 | defrysk | somedude, settings > advanced |
| 17:43.24 | stew | somedude: what does "readlink -f $(which x-www-browser)" return? |
| 17:43.46 | somedude | /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 17:44.02 | somedude | i changed the url handler in xchat and gnome preferences but it didn't change it |
| 17:44.15 | bromandude | so if it violates policy its it instantly a critical ? |
| 17:44.20 | bromandude | iiuc |
| 17:44.35 | bromandude | which severity would that be |
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| 17:46.07 | ampex | anyone familiar with sip proxies? recommendation for one that's free for linux? |
| 17:46.20 | stew | bromandude: 'serious' is for policy violations, but i don't think we are talking about a policy violation here |
| 17:46.51 | stew | ampex: openser |
| 17:47.03 | bromandude | oh i thought wols said... |
| 17:47.05 | bromandude | hmm nm |
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| 17:48.07 | KlrSpz | hey guys... how do you reinstall wiped config files via aptitude? |
| 17:48.28 | stew | KlrSpz: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:48.48 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:48.57 | KlrSpz | Thank you! |
| 17:49.00 | Ace2016 | does glibc have a different name in debian? i'm trying to remove it and its not showing up in synaptic |
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| 17:49.13 | bromandude | hey simonrvn prv (if you got any more BUSH videos) |
| 17:49.19 | tralala | Ace2016, libc6 |
| 17:49.24 | stew | Ace2016: its libc6 but you certainly cannot remove it |
| 17:49.25 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016, why? |
| 17:49.39 | halflife08 | hello folks i am trying to copy a archival copy of the current root partition on to another parition and make that as the new root paritition, when running cp -aR from / shoudl i be excluding proc and dev directories ? |
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| 17:49.55 | Ace2016 | ld-linux.so.2 has some problem which randomly causes a LOT of hard disk usage and ram usage goes through the roof |
| 17:50.07 | Ace2016 | everything slows down and its very annoying |
| 17:50.14 | Rerogo | halflife08: yes. |
| 17:50.20 | tralala | Ace2016, removing libc6 is equivalent to uninstalling debian |
| 17:50.26 | Rerogo | halflife08: those are their own filesystems |
| 17:50.29 | infinitycircuit | halflife08, you should also exclude /tmp and /var/run i think |
| 17:50.29 | Ace2016 | i was about to say |
| 17:50.39 | Ace2016 | lots of stuff sure seems to depend on it |
| 17:50.41 | stew | Ace2016: libc6 is the most fundamental library on your system. just about everything that accesses the disk on your machine does so via libc6 |
| 17:50.46 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016, that is a serious bug if it's on a frehs install |
| 17:50.47 | sybec | Hello. When installing Debian over FTP, a "base system" package-set is installed. How can one re-install that set on an existing system? |
| 17:51.15 | Ace2016 | infinitycircuit: nope, debian sid |
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| 17:51.26 | Ace2016 | but its been happening on and off for a year now |
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| 17:51.47 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016, are you sure your memory/hard disc are functional? libc6 in sid is perfectly functional unless something stupid happened |
| 17:51.53 | tralala | Ace2016, persistent through libc and kernel upgrades? |
| 17:51.57 | stew | sybec: aptitude reinstall '~prequired' '~pstandard' |
| 17:52.02 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 17:52.05 | stew | sybec: but why do you want to reinstall those? |
| 17:52.26 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016, if you want to reinstall it you can boot into a recent livecd and execute "cp --parents $(dpkg -L libc6 | xargs)" but you should reinstall |
| 17:52.32 | Ace2016 | infinitycircuit: its very rare and hard to reproduce but it does happen |
| 17:52.40 | themill | stew: your aptitude-fu is just scary sometimes. |
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| 17:52.54 | dudeman | hes da man |
| 17:52.57 | Ace2016 | its rare enough for me to just run sudo killall -9 ld-linux.so.2 |
| 17:52.58 | sybec | aptitude. ew. so I guess there's no way to do this via apt-get eh? |
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| 17:53.10 | Ace2016 | i wish i knew what program keeps doing it |
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| 17:53.16 | Ace2016 | is there a log for killall? |
| 17:53.25 | dudeman | themill, soon I'll get there too! I stopped smoking pot so hopefully i'll get my memory retaining fuctions back |
| 17:53.27 | dudeman | hehe |
| 17:53.28 | tralala | Ace2016, it might be related to a hw problem. Next time it happens strace it and submit a bugreport with the strace log |
| 17:53.29 | Ace2016 | maybe it'll show the command that started it |
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| 17:53.37 | Ace2016 | strace? |
| 17:53.52 | g00se | sybec: why 'ew'? |
| 17:54.06 | tralala | Ace2016, strace -p <pid> 2> bug.log |
| 17:54.09 | dreadful | Hi, i added unstable repos for a minute or two to get tor, but now it upgraded libc6 and i can't install libc6-dev or build-essentials. How can I fix this. I can't reinstall libc6 either. |
| 17:54.10 | stew | themill: but its so simple! :P |
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| 17:54.14 | sybec | g00se: I pref. the simplicity of apt-get |
| 17:54.23 | infinitycircuit | stew, btw your good advice yesterday caused me to abandon sidux in favor of pure sid :) |
| 17:54.25 | themill | stew: yeah... |
| 17:54.27 | Ace2016 | what is the 2 for? |
| 17:54.30 | dudeman | stew, do you ever even leave the house or your comptuer except for biking? |
| 17:54.31 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:54.42 | themill | sybec: the simplicity of not being able to do what you are wanting to do...? |
| 17:54.42 | Ace2016 | can i do strace ld-linux.so.2? |
| 17:54.42 | g00se | sybec: aptitude's no harder really |
| 17:54.47 | stew | Ace2016: you can run "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" to get all the disk access logged via syslog, but it is a performance killer |
| 17:54.53 | stew | dudeman: i'm not in my house now |
| 17:55.02 | stew | i also go to yarn stores and grocery stores |
| 17:55.17 | benjamindees | they have yarn stores? |
| 17:55.26 | stew | yes, where do you think one buys yarn? |
| 17:55.29 | defrysk | dreadful, you mixed repos , used packages from sid in a lenny |
| 17:55.40 | dudeman | stew, hehe i didn't mean literally ;) |
| 17:55.48 | dreadful | defrysk: how do i go about fixing it? |
| 17:56.10 | dudeman | stew, I'm planning on moving there in the winter or next year beginning of |
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| 17:56.19 | Ace2016 | stew: is that change permenant? how do i make it permenant? |
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| 17:56.42 | g00se | sybec: you can run aptitude at the command line. In fact the man says prefer it over apt-get |
| 17:56.57 | defrysk | dreadful, start using sid for the missing deps and keep fingers crossed mixing repos is usually not a good idea |
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| 17:57.10 | stew | Ace2016: its not permanant, you could make it premanant in /etc/sysctl.conf but i'd not recommend that, this setting wastes a lot of resources |
| 17:57.29 | dudeman | but yarn store? ya need yarn hehehe :) |
| 17:57.31 | dreadful | defrysk: so put the testing repo back in and try install from that |
| 17:57.32 | Ace2016 | resources in what area? ram? ram waste is ok |
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| 17:57.54 | benjamindees | is it true that cron monitors /etc/cron.d for changes as the manpage says or do I need to restart it? |
| 17:57.54 | defrysk | dreadful, you use etch ? |
| 17:58.01 | dreadful | defrysk: yes |
| 17:58.02 | stew | dudeman: i spend about a dozen or so hours a week knitting, so i go through a lot of yarn |
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| 17:58.33 | defrysk | then use the lenny repo to resolve your probs |
| 17:58.39 | _NoxIn_ | benjamindees you d'ont have to restart it |
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| 17:58.42 | defrysk | dreadful, and hope for the best |
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| 17:58.54 | dreadful | defrysk: alright gonna try now thanks for the help. |
| 17:59.13 | Ace2016 | ld-linux.so.2 is back, seems to have been launched by opera |
| 17:59.20 | Ace2016 | but sudo killall -9 opera didn't take it down |
| 17:59.21 | defrysk | dreadful, if it fails it might be a good idea to upgrade to lenny all the way but thats up to you |
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| 17:59.30 | dudeman | stew, oh wow |
| 17:59.34 | dudeman | thats wicked |
| 17:59.35 | Ace2016 | shouldn't killall -9 take opera down as well as its child processes? |
| 17:59.52 | dudeman | stew, wanna knit me a sweater for winter ? :) |
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| 18:00.18 | stew | i don't knit sweaters |
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| 18:00.21 | stew | but probably not anyway |
| 18:00.27 | dudeman | hehe yeh |
| 18:00.29 | dreadful | defrysk: well I have no problem with upgrading now. |
| 18:00.37 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016, i think you should reinstall |
| 18:00.38 | dudeman | only person who ever knits sweaters for anyone is a grandma |
| 18:00.45 | dreadful | defrysk: should I just upgrade than rather than attempting to use other repos? |
| 18:00.46 | dudeman | usually or auntie or maybe a mom |
| 18:00.56 | dudeman | anyway, nm me |
| 18:01.22 | defrysk | dreadful, it should be bo prob upgrading to lenny in this stage but nothing is absolutely sure of course |
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| 18:01.39 | justin | Ace2016: killall won't work if the process name isn't right |
| 18:01.43 | Ace2016 | infinitycircuit: it only ever happened a few times, and now that i think about it only when opera is running so i think opera is the problem, i'm using opera-static |
| 18:01.45 | justin | Ace2016: try killing the pid instead |
| 18:01.54 | dreadful | defrysk: well I'm fine because it's past unstable correct? |
| 18:01.56 | defrysk | dreadful, however resolving the debs with the lenny repo also should not be a serious prob |
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| 18:02.18 | defrysk | dreadful, lenny is the next stable vwersion of debian |
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| 18:02.58 | defrysk | is will be released in september iirc |
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| 18:03.01 | dreadful | defrysk: im gonna take the upgrade route. Yes, i was just saying that it's NOT unstable I know it's going to be stable release. |
| 18:03.01 | defrysk | ok |
| 18:03.01 | defrysk | good luck |
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| 18:03.10 | dreadful | defrysk: thanks I'm headed |
| 18:03.21 | defrysk | dreadful, make sure to do the dist-upgrade in a tty |
| 18:03.29 | halflife08 | infinitycircuit: thanks |
| 18:03.29 | defrysk | ooh hes gone |
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| 18:04.05 | benjamindees | _NoxIn_, I altered an entry but it seems to still be using the old schedule |
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| 18:06.53 | _NoxIn_ | benjamindees: you should have something like "/usr/sbin/cron[29138]: (*system*file) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/file)" in your syslog |
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| 18:07.11 | _NoxIn_ | or an error telling why it don't load it |
| 18:07.36 | Quintin | PING |
| 18:07.41 | _NoxIn_ | PONG |
| 18:07.56 | Quintin | ty |
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| 18:10.10 | benjamindees | _NoxIn_, ah, my clock is off by 12 hours :-/ |
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| 18:10.35 | _NoxIn_ | benjamindees: :) |
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| 18:11.56 | benjamindees | does the expert install ask you to set the time? or to verify it I think? |
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| 18:12.09 | mooper | does anyone know about controling quotas on lustre? |
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| 18:13.07 | infinitycircuit | benjamindees, expert has two time-related things: 1) it asks you to select the timezone (dpkg-reconfigure tzdata) and 2) it actually sets the clock |
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| 18:13.42 | benjamindees | infinitycircuit, I recall it asking whether the hardware clock is set to GMT ? |
| 18:13.48 | infinitycircuit | benjamindees, i lied it also asks if your bios is set to localtime or utc |
| 18:13.53 | infinitycircuit | yes |
| 18:14.12 | benjamindees | and does it show those values in military time or AM/PM ? |
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| 18:15.39 | amphi | wtf is military time? |
| 18:15.51 | amphi | too soon, or too late? ;) |
| 18:15.52 | simonrvn | 24h clock |
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| 18:16.29 | simonrvn | "be always on time or else you do 50 pushups" |
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| 18:17.26 | benjamindees | that's so nice that xchat lets you connect to a new server from the list without disconnecting the old one now. |
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| 18:18.16 | Eulex | benjamindees, eh? it always did. |
| 18:18.43 | infinitycircuit | benjamindees, there is a difference between /server and /connect if that is what you are talking about |
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| 18:19.17 | jocke | "gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/jocke/.gnupg/gpg.conf' |
| 18:19.17 | jocke | gpg: Signature made tor 17 jan 2008 12.46.17 CET using DSA key ID 023B3F4F |
| 18:19.17 | jocke | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 18:19.19 | jocke | why? |
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| 18:19.29 | amphi | benjamindees: does it support /DISCO LIGHTS yet? ;) |
| 18:19.30 | jocke | sorry |
| 18:19.35 | simonrvn | don't paste here |
| 18:19.39 | jocke | I know. |
| 18:19.42 | benjamindees | amphi, hurr |
| 18:19.48 | simonrvn | so why did you? |
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| 18:20.29 | jocke | Why this error when I have installed a gpg-key and doing an apt-get thingy? http://pastebin.com/d16bf30ed |
| 18:20.34 | jocke | should I care about it? |
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| 18:22.05 | simonrvn | it tells you. the perms on it should be 600 |
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| 18:23.58 | mns | How do I go about getting debug output from the kernel every time it freezes up ? Lately it has been happening quiet a bit, and I'd like to see if it is something in the kernel or in X11 or wireless drivers (madwifi). |
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| 18:27.24 | smhar | greetings |
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| 18:29.50 | thomas | hello |
| 18:30.00 | thomas | how i can get the duration of a mp3file |
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| 18:31.23 | abrotman | thomas: apt-cache search mp3 info .. i see quite a few possibilities |
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| 18:31.42 | smhar | I am having trouble updating my system.. its been awhile since I last did an update/upgrade to my lenny system. I have both python 2.4 and 2.5 installed but apt-get I always get a long page of errors when installing or upgrading the system. please see http://paste.debian.net/6155/ |
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| 18:34.09 | sinisterporpoise | nidswrapper -m yeieds "couldn't add mule alias: at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.98 line 717" |
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| 18:34.34 | gileswork | heya deb heads |
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| 18:35.29 | gileswork | when i'm pxebooting with pxelinux what user is the tftpd requests made as? |
| 18:35.47 | gileswork | I've been chmoding files as a+r to get it to work |
| 18:35.52 | sinisterporpoise | okay well ndiswrappr has the lights on the P II 366 Clevo laptop flashing. |
| 18:36.02 | gileswork | I'm runing atftpd if it's any help |
| 18:36.07 | gileswork | from inetd |
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| 18:38.45 | g00se | smhar: those errors look like python ones |
| 18:39.02 | smhar | g00se, what should I do? |
| 18:39.45 | g00se | smhar: try isolating the python package(s). Remove them, update and try to reinstall them |
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| 18:41.05 | smhar | g00se, but whouldn't removing python remove many other packages as well? |
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| 18:42.03 | sinisterporpoise | okay, I've got the driver installed but when I type dhclient wlan0, I'm getting the messages: No DHCPOFFERS received and No working leases in persistent database - sleeping |
| 18:42.23 | cloakable | sinisterporpoise: ralink? |
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| 18:42.42 | sinisterporpoise | A Belkin driver using the windows realtek drivers |
| 18:42.58 | sinisterporpoise | a belkin card* |
| 18:43.04 | jsn | I have two peices of software which rely on conflicting versions of a library. What I was thinking was that I could install the second library under a user home directory, and build the second software with a pointer to that lib. Sound OK? |
| 18:43.07 | cloakable | ah |
| 18:43.23 | wols | jsn: no. link one of them statically |
| 18:43.39 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, that happens to me when my wireless can't find the hub, say, too far away |
| 18:43.42 | sinisterporpoise | I've tried installing Debian lenny but apperently don't know how to install all the packages |
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| 18:43.53 | wols | sinisterporpoise: or when it can't associate to that AP |
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| 18:43.59 | sinisterporpoise | but the problem is the networking card works fine with Ubuntu |
| 18:44.05 | sinisterporpoise | even if the computer doesn't |
| 18:45.00 | sinisterporpoise | I've tried the testing version -- could it be that I need a more recent version of ndiswrapper source other than 1.28? |
| 18:45.09 | jsn | wols: I know the words, and what it means, but don't know how to do that in the current context. So, I'd get the .deb for the package and the lib? Or are you talking about doing it from source? |
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| 18:45.17 | __ryan__ | 1.28 is old |
| 18:45.23 | wols | jsn: can only be done from source |
| 18:45.25 | __ryan__ | it's at 1.53 now |
| 18:45.31 | jsn | wols: okee doke. Danke! |
| 18:45.37 | sinisterporpoise | well let's try that |
| 18:45.38 | dos000 | anyone knows what is the best competitor in price/performance to the juniper ns25 devices ? |
| 18:45.49 | wols | dos000: how is this debian related? |
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| 18:46.48 | jsn | wols: Do I "make install" with the conflicting library, or just leave it after I am done with "make?" |
| 18:46.58 | sinisterporpoise | is there any other information I can give to help the process? |
| 18:47.12 | wols | jsn: depends what you told ./configure to use |
| 18:47.31 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, like I said, if you aren't getting a lease, it _sounds_ like you just aren't finding the hub. Try "iwlist scanning" to see if you see your hub. |
| 18:47.57 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, maybe you haven't done the right iwconfig s. You might be looking for the wrong ESSID or channel |
| 18:48.12 | sinisterporpoise | it's detecting the router |
| 18:48.32 | dcnoye | does anyone have a copy of firebug 1.2b , getfirebug.com is down :( |
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| 18:48.45 | twobitwork | how do I get dhclient to not step on my domain/search directives in resolv.conf |
| 18:48.56 | sinisterporpoise | nothing in /etc/network/interfaces though |
| 18:49.05 | infinitycircuit | twobitwork, add "supersede domain XXX;" to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 18:49.10 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, and you have done iwconfig ESSID "your essid" and iwconfig channel "the detected channel #" before you did dhclient? |
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| 18:49.33 | sinisterporpoise | no, I have not, let's try that |
| 18:49.38 | JyZyXEL | friends debian obsessed uncle named her daughter "debrah" after Debian |
| 18:49.42 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: cool... same for "search" I assume? |
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| 18:49.55 | infinitycircuit | twobitwork, yes |
| 18:50.01 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: alright, thanks |
| 18:50.26 | sinisterporpoise | unregonized requiest |
| 18:50.37 | jsn | maybe it should be lower case ESSID, sorry |
| 18:50.50 | jsn | you can do them both on one line, too... iwconfig essid MyEss channel 7 |
| 18:51.13 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: I get "no option named domain..." when running dhclient |
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| 18:51.45 | sinisterporpoise | no, I'm too much of a neophyte apperantly |
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| 18:52.07 | sinisterporpoise | it keeps coming up with unecognized request -- is it the name of the newtwork or as you typed it? |
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| 18:52.18 | infinitycircuit | twobitwork, hm that's odd...i use supersede domain-name-servers in my dhclient.conf so i thought the syntax was the same |
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| 18:52.21 | infinitycircuit | i guess i'm wrong |
| 18:52.23 | infinitycircuit | sorry |
| 18:52.42 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, I made a mistake... you have to add the wlan name... like iwconfig wlan0 essid MyEss |
| 18:52.51 | jsn | sorry about that |
| 18:53.09 | sinisterporpoise | okay no problem that did something |
| 18:53.13 | sinisterporpoise | no run dhclient wlan0 |
| 18:53.15 | jsn | the channel, too |
| 18:53.46 | jsn | It is _so_ much more of a headache to figure these things out if you don't have a net connection, isn't it? |
| 18:53.52 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 18:54.15 | __ryan__ | if you have x just get wifi-radar or something |
| 18:54.44 | sinisterporpoise | that worked, light on the card went off |
| 18:54.52 | sinisterporpoise | oh now it flashed back on |
| 18:55.28 | sinisterporpoise | still not connecting to the router |
| 18:55.28 | __ryan__ | is it wpa? |
| 18:55.28 | __ryan__ | or open |
| 18:55.28 | sinisterporpoise | I believe so |
| 18:55.33 | __ryan__ | you don't know? |
| 18:55.35 | sinisterporpoise | open |
| 18:55.37 | __ryan__ | ah |
| 18:55.39 | sinisterporpoise | sorry |
| 18:55.46 | __ryan__ | what card? just curious |
| 18:55.51 | jsn | well, that's about as far as I can help. For me "iwconfig wlan0 MyEssiD channel 6; dhclient3 wlan0" works |
| 18:55.55 | sinisterporpoise | Belkin f5d7010 ver 7 |
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| 18:57.01 | __ryan__ | sinisterporpoise, try ifconfig wlan0 up ? |
| 18:57.04 | sinisterporpoise | well, maybe it needs reboots |
| 18:57.07 | sinisterporpoise | just a second. |
| 18:57.16 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, nah, it isn't a windows box :) |
| 18:57.21 | sinisterporpoise | actually htat's a good suggestion |
| 18:57.30 | __ryan__ | try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 18:57.35 | __ryan__ | then if the wifi led comes on |
| 18:57.37 | sinisterporpoise | No, if it were, I wouldn't be having this problem :P |
| 18:57.51 | sinisterporpoise | the leds are on right now |
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| 18:58.14 | __ryan__ | when you type 'iwconfig' by itself |
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| 18:58.18 | __ryan__ | does your info come up? |
| 18:58.36 | sinisterporpoise | for wlan0, yes |
| 18:58.39 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: looks like 'supersede domain-name "foo.com etc.foo.com";' works... it sets the first as the domain, and the rest as "search" entries... |
| 18:58.48 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: so thanks on setting me on the right path :) |
| 18:58.58 | Lagbolts | sinisterporpoise, what if you "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 18:58.59 | __ryan__ | sinisterporpoise, try typeing 'iwlist scan' |
| 18:59.03 | Lagbolts | does it show networks? |
| 18:59.03 | infinitycircuit | twobitwork, thanks for the clarification that's good to know |
| 18:59.04 | __ryan__ | haha copy cat |
| 18:59.17 | Lagbolts | :) |
| 18:59.28 | sinisterporpoise | the only one avialable is the linksys router so yes |
| 18:59.42 | __ryan__ | then you shouldn't be having problems lol |
| 18:59.49 | __ryan__ | sinisterporpoise, are you in X ? |
| 18:59.52 | Lagbolts | can you pastebin the output? |
| 19:00.07 | sinisterporpoise | well, I'm in gnome on my desktop but the desktop doesn't have the problem |
| 19:00.12 | dudeman | ryan, sup |
| 19:00.19 | __ryan__ | oh, one thing under where it says link: 00/100 what # is it |
| 19:00.31 | __ryan__ | is it 00 or higher |
| 19:00.42 | __ryan__ | cause mine would show 00/100 when i had the wrong firmware/driver loaded |
| 19:00.45 | sinisterporpoise | hold on, I'm not there yet |
| 19:00.48 | __ryan__ | dudeman, |
| 19:01.03 | dudeman | whatchoo want from me man? |
| 19:01.05 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:01.15 | __ryan__ | you said sup ryan |
| 19:01.19 | sinisterporpoise | now what did you need under wlan0? |
| 19:01.23 | dudeman | yes I did mr. tdot |
| 19:01.55 | __ryan__ | check the link sinisterporpoise |
| 19:02.03 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, I remembered something...\ |
| 19:02.15 | sinisterporpoise | Link Qualityh: 50/100 |
| 19:02.23 | __ryan__ | ok so your card is working for sure |
| 19:02.26 | jsn | sinisterporpoise, Is your router encrypted? You'll also have to add "iwconfig wlan0 " and then the encryption key |
| 19:02.33 | jsn | but I don't recall how that is done, offhand |
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| 19:02.56 | __ryan__ | sinisterporpoise, take Lagbolts advice and pastebin the output of 'iwscan list' |
| 19:03.17 | sinisterporpoise | response wlan0 IEEE 802.11 b ESSID: "linksys" Mode Managed, Frequency 2.437 GHz, Access Point 00:0F:66:34:A6:D6 Bit Rate 11 ,mb/s tx-power dBM Sensistivit= 0/.3 |
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| 19:03.17 | sinisterporpoise | RTS thr: 2432 B Fragment thr:2432 B |
| 19:03.26 | sinisterporpoise | Encryption key : off Power mANagmeant off |
| 19:03.30 | Lagbolts | managed . . . you have to have a key |
| 19:03.37 | sinisterporpoise | Link Quality: 50/100 Signal level -64 dbM |
| 19:03.44 | sinisterporpoise | ah, but the network is OPEN |
| 19:03.46 | __ryan__ | managed does not mean a key Lagbolts mine says managed too and it's open |
| 19:03.57 | Lagbolts | yeah? |
| 19:03.58 | __ryan__ | yea |
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| 19:04.03 | __ryan__ | 100% sure |
| 19:04.03 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 19:04.08 | Lagbolts | lol interestin |
| 19:04.19 | sinisterporpoise | Noise Level -96 dBM, Rx invalid neid: 0- Rx invalid: crypt: ) |
| 19:04.21 | jsn | Yeah, the Encryption key: tells you whether or not you need a password |
| 19:04.35 | kibibyte | :d |
| 19:04.43 | sinisterporpoise | Tx excessive retries: 0 invalid misc: 0 missed beacon: 0 |
| 19:04.57 | __ryan__ | i wonder why that didn't output a channel |
| 19:04.59 | __ryan__ | or did i miss it |
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| 19:05.48 | sinisterporpoise | nope, no channel that I see |
| 19:05.57 | kunwon1 | 2.437ghz is channel 6 |
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| 19:06.18 | __ryan__ | ah |
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| 19:06.19 | jsn | So, you need to iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 |
| 19:06.32 | __ryan__ | sinisterporpoise, type this: ifconfig wlan0 down' |
| 19:06.49 | sinisterporpoise | done |
| 19:06.59 | __ryan__ | then type iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys chan 6 ap 00:0F:66:34:A6:D6 |
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| 19:07.14 | __ryan__ | then ifconfig wlan0 up, then dhclient wlan0 |
| 19:07.21 | __ryan__ | if that doesnt work there's some driver error |
| 19:07.22 | argonel | so there was a problem with the ssh public keys |
| 19:07.22 | maxamillion | when i use screen and do Ctrl-a A to rename the current screen, i can't backspace over the currently used title... it just drops out of the rename prompt, how might i remedy this? |
| 19:07.36 | sinisterporpoise | hold on, yourre message got convered to a smiley, but it's just the mac address of the router I think |
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| 19:07.47 | __ryan__ | ya put the mac address in too lol |
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| 19:08.15 | argonel | my keys were older than the affected version, but since upgrading i can't enter the pass phrase for my keys. is this an expected side effect? |
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| 19:09.40 | sinisterporpoise | okay I think I did that |
| 19:09.47 | muramasa | Hello :-) Just wondering, how do I set the CC environment variable? |
| 19:10.19 | sinisterporpoise | now should I bring wlan0 back up? |
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| 19:10.38 | JyZyXEL | muramasa export CC=foobar |
| 19:10.45 | muramasa | JyZyXEL: thank you |
| 19:10.45 | JyZyXEL | installing vmware? |
| 19:10.52 | __ryan__ | yes |
| 19:10.55 | JyZyXEL | or nvidia perhaps? |
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| 19:10.59 | muramasa | nvidia :-) |
| 19:11.04 | __ryan__ | then try dhclient again |
| 19:11.07 | JyZyXEL | well setting the CC doesn't work |
| 19:11.13 | halflife08 | hello folks is there full hard encryption setup supported under debian ? since truecrypt is not supported under debian i am looking for alternatives , |
| 19:11.18 | muramasa | oh that's harsh.. is there another solution? |
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| 19:11.25 | JyZyXEL | you have to change the symbolic link from /bin/gcc |
| 19:11.30 | sinisterporpoise | I'm still not getting an ip address |
| 19:12.07 | muramasa | JyZyXEL: how would I do that? |
| 19:12.16 | JyZyXEL | with ln -s |
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| 19:12.53 | sinisterporpoise | just did |
| 19:13.19 | n3kl | Do truecrypt and luks attempt to do the same thing? As in, encrypted volumes? Or are they used for different purposes? |
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| 19:13.25 | muramasa | JyZyXEL: thanks |
| 19:13.33 | pozic | How can I remove a package without executing all kinds of scripts? |
| 19:13.39 | DVMouse | hi, how can I set how quickly the top command refreshes |
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| 19:13.47 | pozic | Or how to get the package system in some consistent state again? |
| 19:13.50 | DVMouse | how quickly it updated? |
| 19:13.52 | n3kl | DVMouse: man top |
| 19:13.53 | kunwon1 | DVMouse, man top |
| 19:14.09 | n3kl | pozic: whats wrong with your package? |
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| 19:15.01 | pozic | n3kl: it's not my package, and there are about 7 packages that are broken. I don't really know what's wrong. I cannot get into a graphical session also without it crashing. |
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| 19:15.45 | stew | pozic: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:15.46 | n3kl | pozic: what do the logs say? |
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| 19:17.47 | pozic | n3kl: what logs are you referring to? It's just a package management problem. |
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| 19:17.59 | DVMouse | hi |
| 19:18.06 | n3kl | pozic: I am refering to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 19:18.08 | pozic | n3kl: and one berkely db seems to be invalid, but I think I already repaired that. |
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| 19:18.24 | DVMouse | any better way to distribute a 100 mb file than installing an apache and sharing the file via apache? |
| 19:18.36 | DVMouse | apache is getting a bit hammered due to large amount of downloaders |
| 19:18.44 | n3kl | pozic: like stew said, print the command and the output. "Broken Package" is unlikely |
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| 19:19.18 | tdela | Are the debian packages in the repositories updated now? I remember a few years back you needed to run unstable or testing for up to date packages, I am just wondering if that's changed? |
| 19:19.32 | woodgrain | I can't find antyhing in etchnhalf about SATA ... do I really need etchnhalf to get my sata HD working? |
| 19:19.37 | pozic | n3kl: This is the last line in the X log: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. I am working on getting the output for the other thing. |
| 19:19.38 | n3kl | DVMouse: ftp, scp, sftp, webdav, http? |
| 19:20.04 | Pryon | tdela: stable is still stable |
| 19:20.09 | tclineks | anyone happen to know how to get colored output to work with watch? |
| 19:20.12 | n3kl | pozic: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:20.26 | DVMouse | n3kl: http? |
| 19:20.27 | tdela | Pryon: ok? |
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| 19:20.36 | DVMouse | n3kl: isn't apache http? |
| 19:20.45 | n3kl | DVMouse: bingo |
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| 19:20.55 | mahesh | Hello , i have problem with intelfb |
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| 19:21.29 | mahesh | modprobe intelfb shows |
| 19:21.30 | kunwon1 | DVMouse, torrent? |
| 19:21.32 | mahesh | intelfb: 00:02.0: Intel(R) 945GM, aperture size 256MB, stolen memory 7932kB |
| 19:21.32 | mahesh | intelfb: cannot acquire agp |
| 19:21.36 | tdela | Pryon: what does that mean, I wouldn't expect that stable didn't mean anything else |
| 19:21.56 | Pryon | tdela: That means the stable distribution gets security updates and that's it. |
| 19:22.00 | mahesh | Distribution is debian etch |
| 19:22.01 | n3kl | yeah, torrents will take the load off your server, slow your internet, and place you in teh spotlight |
| 19:22.03 | smacnay | Anyone installed Banshee 1.0 from sid repository in "testing" and have any problems? |
| 19:22.08 | tdela | stable has always meant stable, but in the past stable also meant out of date packages for software and such. |
| 19:22.12 | n3kl | !anyone |
| 19:22.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:22.18 | tdela | and thats it, security updates? :( |
| 19:22.24 | Pryon | tdela: stable and bleeding edge are incompatible |
| 19:22.30 | tdela | I see. |
| 19:23.24 | pozic | n3kl: something crashes when I don't run in "Gnome safe mode". |
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| 19:23.28 | chops | tdela: "Stable" does not refer to the reliability of the software; "stable" refers to the frequency of updates. |
| 19:23.31 | dudeman | itchi, hey there long time no see |
| 19:23.43 | pozic | n3kl: X does not show an EE line in both safe as non-safe mode. |
| 19:23.44 | itchi | dudeman: Well, many things to do heh :-p |
| 19:23.48 | n3kl | pozic: you do understand that "something crashes" helps me none |
| 19:23.52 | chops | tdela: Many server administrators like the slowness of updates, as updating a working system to a new stable distribution is often a big operation |
| 19:23.54 | dudeman | itchi, any more babies on the horizon? |
| 19:23.56 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:23.59 | Suodnaa | Is there such a way to set up a secure file server such that data is encrypted on the client with a private key, the encrypted form sent to and stored on the server, and when the file is requested it is sent and unencrypted on the client using the same or differenct key, all this to be done transparently. The point being unencrpted data does not exist outside the clients. |
| 19:24.00 | tdela | chops: well, so that means in order to have software reliability I would need to upgrade to a testing or such? |
| 19:24.04 | n3kl | pozic: like stew said, paste the commands and output and we will look |
| 19:24.06 | pozic | n3kl: I wouldn't ask, if I would know the answer already. |
| 19:24.08 | itchi | dudeman: Yeah, the second is on the way, it will be for december :-) |
| 19:24.15 | pozic | n3kl: yes, next thing to do. |
| 19:24.16 | dudeman | itchi, congrats! |
| 19:24.22 | chops | tdela: No. I didn't say stable was unreliable. Just that reliability is not what is referred to by "stable". |
| 19:24.23 | dudeman | itchi, proud dad of two eh |
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| 19:24.31 | tdela | Okay. |
| 19:24.35 | itchi | dudeman: If all things goes good, in 3 weeks i'm in the new renting house. It's ways to small here |
| 19:24.43 | itchi | dudeman: thanks |
| 19:24.54 | n3kl | Suodnaa: https? |
| 19:25.16 | dudeman | wow congrts man your life is doing great, good luck buddy :) |
| 19:25.43 | itchi | dudeman: Yeah, my HDD is dieing :-p |
| 19:26.09 | dudeman | which brand is it? |
| 19:26.26 | itchi | dudeman: Maxtor, this is on a RAID0 setup |
| 19:26.28 | wols | itchi: how do you know? SMART? |
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| 19:26.50 | n3kl | itchi: you knpow what the 0 stands for, right? How many files you get back when a disk dies |
| 19:26.55 | dudeman | itchi, run a full smart test |
| 19:27.18 | dudeman | unless you got massive lib ata errors in dmesg seek erros etc. then you're toasted |
| 19:27.22 | itchi | wols: Well, i cross my fingers that itsn't my SATA that is. The HDD led keeps on when the pc crashed. Got this euhm, 3 times or so now |
| 19:27.48 | wols | itchi: and? |
| 19:27.53 | itchi | n3kl: Well, i'm running /home on NFS. I only worry a bit for all these test vm's here |
| 19:28.45 | itchi | wols: Well the PC didn't react anymore and the only thing i flashed on is that the HDD let was still on |
| 19:28.46 | n3kl | itchi: I would call "backup time" |
| 19:28.55 | itchi | I need to investigate a bit |
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| 19:29.12 | itchi | s/let/led/ |
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| 19:29.38 | n3kl | have you tried /usr/local/bin/runproperly.pl |
| 19:29.46 | pozic | n3kl: This is the first problem: bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
| 19:30.03 | Suodnaa | n3kl: according to wikipedia "Once data arrives at its destination, it is only as safe as the computer it is on". I want data to only be unencrypted when it is accessed. |
| 19:30.07 | pozic | n3kl: I had this problem before; I don't understand why they keep using such a broken database. |
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| 19:30.27 | stew | pozic: what command gives you that error? |
| 19:30.32 | pozic | stew: aptitude install |
| 19:30.51 | pozic | stew: it takes about 5 minutes for it to run to completion. |
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| 19:31.05 | sladi | Hi! I'm booting a diskless client over nfs with pxe and why it says KNOPPIX at CLI? /etc/hostname is different. |
| 19:31.10 | stew | pozic: can you show us the actual command and the entire output? |
| 19:31.11 | pozic | stew: texhash, byte-compiling Emacs Lisp.. and so on. |
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| 19:31.23 | n3kl | Suodnaa: so you want encryption in transit? or no? |
| 19:31.30 | sladi | I customized a standard debian kernel, just added network drivers |
| 19:31.45 | n3kl | pozic: what did you do to break it? |
| 19:31.59 | n3kl | pozic: what version are you running? |
| 19:32.14 | pozic | stew: the actual command is aptitude install and before that aptitude remove emacs and I believe aptitude remove xemacs and before that aptitude upgrade. |
| 19:32.18 | dudeman | ooh my new 5 optiplexes just came in |
| 19:32.23 | dudeman | sweet |
| 19:32.23 | stew | pozic: show us the output |
| 19:32.31 | pozic | stew: my machine is still working on it. |
| 19:32.46 | pozic | texhash is slow.... |
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| 19:32.53 | Suodnaa | n3kl: I want encryption in transit, but I dont want unencryption when data arrives at the server. |
| 19:32.57 | anvesh | hi |
| 19:33.09 | anvesh | where do i get the output of vcdxrip file |
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| 19:33.17 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.17 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.17 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.23 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.26 | sladi | sorry |
| 19:33.48 | n3kl | Suodnaa: well, then you are not talking about an encryption protocol, so everything I said earlier goes right out the window. You want to have users download encrypted files, and want them to remain encrypted when they are on the system? |
| 19:34.04 | n3kl | Suodnaa: sounds to me like you are going to need a combination of gpg and some encrypted protocol to me |
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| 19:34.25 | Pryon | Although encrypted transport may be redundant in this case |
| 19:34.46 | n3kl | Pryon: unless he wants to protect authentication |
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| 19:34.57 | n3kl | though, authentication may not be needed if you are using keys |
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| 19:35.06 | chops | Suodnaa: On the client, do 'openssl enc' before sending to the server, store the encrypted file on the server, and have the client do 'openssl enc -d' after downloading |
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| 19:35.39 | anvesh | VCDXRIP |
| 19:35.39 | Jabka | [lamer] - how can i make interfaces to load at boot (i use auto eth1 but it won't go up without iface eth1 inet dhcp ) |
| 19:35.52 | anvesh | where do i get the output of vcdxrip |
| 19:36.15 | n3kl | Jabka: you have to tell it to up with what status. dhcp tells it, ask the network for an ip |
| 19:36.22 | n3kl | Jabka: I think there is also a promisc |
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| 19:36.33 | chops | Suodnaa: I used to do a similar thing with backups; I had a service listening via inetd that would just dump an openssl-encrypted backup in cleartext to anything the connected to the appropriate port. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that approach, but it was dirt simple to set up and it worked fine for me :-) |
| 19:36.42 | chops | *anything that connected |
| 19:37.00 | Jabka | n3kl : the problem is that i don't wont to get the ip on boot just to bring it up |
| 19:37.16 | chops | *"in cleartext" meaning without any further encryption or authentication beyond tar | openssl enc |
| 19:37.34 | n3kl | Jabka: read the interfaces man page. Like I say, I think there is a promisc option, that will bring your interface up, and it will just listen. |
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| 19:38.02 | n3kl | chops: whats wrong with ssh keys? |
| 19:38.03 | Jabka | n3kl thank you , |
| 19:38.40 | chops | n3kl: Not necessary in this case, though they would have increased the security if I'd taken the time to do them as well |
| 19:38.48 | n3kl | chops: but, from what I gather, Suodnaa is looking to keep the data encrypted once it hits his machine |
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| 19:38.55 | chops | n3kl: Yeah, that's what I did. |
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| 19:39.19 | n3kl | chops: so there is no authentication in the method you described, correct? |
| 19:39.29 | Suodnaa | chops I understand. I found a package called duplicity for secure backups on untrusted servers, which uses a combination of rsync ssh and gpg or something. |
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| 19:39.41 | pozic | stew, n3kl: It just completed: http://paste.debian.net/6165/ |
| 19:39.42 | chops | n3kl: The server had 'tar | openssl enc' listening on a port via inetd+tcpd. The client would grab a backup via 'nc server 6060 > backup.tar.sslenc' and store it encrypted. |
| 19:39.57 | chops | n3kl: Thus combining transport encryption and storage encryption into a single step. |
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| 19:40.16 | chops | n3kl: No. You need to know the openssl passphrase to do anything useful with the encrypted backup you get, though. |
| 19:40.50 | n3kl | chops: I have heard of it, never used it. SOunds like you are already on the road to ruin =] |
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| 19:41.09 | bpun | apt-get uses python? |
| 19:41.16 | chops | bpun: no |
| 19:41.54 | bpun | line 154 of pozic's paste -> http://paste.debian.net/6165/ |
| 19:41.56 | stew | apt-get is all c++ |
| 19:42.01 | n3kl | chops: if you are doing backups, I prefer to build a system from ground up that works exactly like you want |
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| 19:42.31 | stew | bpun: the python-bsddb package is python |
| 19:42.43 | majztro | howdy all |
| 19:42.50 | chops | n3kl: Why's that? I did build that system from the ground up (I feel the same way -- even now that I'm doing a much better system for backups, I use custom scripts+tar for maximum control). |
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| 19:43.08 | n3kl | chops: dood, sorry, I meant to send that to Suodnaa |
| 19:43.13 | majztro | anyone called Robert here? working at Siemens too .. <_> |
| 19:43.21 | chops | n3kl: Even now I do remote backups like this: ssh moise@blah 'sudo src/backup/emit-backup' > backup.tar.bz2.sslenc |
| 19:43.36 | chops | n3kl: And I still do the encrypt-on-server-side trick, actually, I guess :-) |
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| 19:43.51 | stew | err, that isn't the packagename |
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| 19:44.55 | n3kl | chops: meh, I don't really have a need to encrypted storage, it just makes me scratch my head while I try to remember the passphras. I like the ol tar -czf - / | ssh backops@server "cat > file.gz" using encrypted keys |
| 19:45.02 | pozic | stew: and now? |
| 19:45.15 | n3kl | chops: are you using gpg to encrypt locally? |
| 19:45.21 | stew | pozic: so the problem you are having is with the python2.4 package. check the bts |
| 19:45.36 | chops | n3kl: I need encrypted storage; we store backups offsite at my house, and I don't want some random fellow to nick a backup drive and get all my company's source code |
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| 19:46.03 | dudeman | breaks into chop's house |
| 19:46.15 | chops | n3kl: See how important it is? :-) |
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| 19:46.41 | n3kl | I think if I had my companies source on my home computer, I would get fired |
| 19:47.32 | chops | n3kl: It's not on my home computer, it's encrypted on a bunch of USB drives sitting on my desk. |
| 19:48.03 | n3kl | thats cool. I think I like your backu method. |
| 19:48.22 | pozic | stew: I checked the bts now, but no mention of it. |
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| 19:48.26 | n3kl | chops: but, what are you using for local encryption? |
| 19:48.32 | chops | n3kl: openssl enc |
| 19:48.48 | n3kl | I am looking to encrypt my drives, thinking about truecrypt and luks. only reason I ask |
| 19:48.51 | chops | n3kl: Like I said, it happens on the server (within the emit-backup script), not on the client |
| 19:49.05 | n3kl | chops: nice |
| 19:49.06 | pozic | chops: so, until the next gigantic security f*ckup you are safe ^^ |
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| 19:50.24 | FabParma | [OT] Does exist a VM/CPU-emulator that can let chooses which cpu to use (for eg: amd or intel) into the guest enviroment w/o ties with host hw config? Thank You for help me |
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| 19:50.37 | stew | pozic: it is #469221 / #470693 |
| 19:50.53 | helo | if i have a raid1 setup between two drives, and dd their contents onto two other drives, will the two other drives work as a raid just the same, or will the drive ids not match the software raid config data, breaking it? |
| 19:50.56 | wols | FabParma: bochs? |
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| 19:51.12 | chops | pozic: That's actually a very good point... does the openssl vulnerability affect 'openssl enc' using a specific passphrase? I would assume not, but I don't know much about it. |
| 19:51.29 | pozic | stew: apt-listchanges indeed has a bts entry; I didn't understand why you referred to the python package. |
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| 19:52.31 | stew | pozic: becuase the but you are asking about is a python but |
| 19:52.33 | stew | bug* |
| 19:52.47 | bpun | fabparma, thers also virtual box but dunno about selection of cpu ytpe |
| 19:52.49 | n3kl | chops: I think it was only keys generated durring that time, you are still in the clear |
| 19:53.07 | wols | the new scheme of the spammers in here is interesting. and it's not detectable by active ops either |
| 19:53.25 | n3kl | wols: need a bra? |
| 19:53.27 | chops | wols: Did you just get Victoria's Secret spam too? |
| 19:53.38 | stew | is someone currently on-join spamming? |
| 19:53.39 | bpun | bobbi is spammer |
| 19:53.39 | wols | that was before. now it's casket spam |
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| 19:53.49 | wols | stew: no one is. but someone IS spamming |
| 19:53.56 | wols | stew: you won't find it that way |
| 19:54.00 | bpun | wols, bobbi is spamming me too |
| 19:54.05 | chops | wols: I think that was the strangest piece of spam I've ever received, which is actually saying a lot. |
| 19:54.28 | helo | what is the best bs for dd from one sata drive to another? is there any disadvantage from 512K to 1M? |
| 19:54.42 | wols | I already told dave2, twice but he won't react |
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| 19:54.51 | stew | wols: report it in #freenode |
| 19:54.55 | chops | wols, streuner: Incidentally, I updated http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx to include the information about the b43 driver that you folks helped me out with last night. Thanks again. |
| 19:55.05 | stew | helo: cp uses 4M on most systems |
| 19:55.49 | sladi | why is knoppix at CLI whenn booting my customized debian kernel over nfs please? |
| 19:55.52 | pozic | chops: AFAIK, if I would get your data from a few months back, I would be able to decrypt it. |
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| 19:56.01 | stew | sladi: what does "knoppix at CLI" mean? |
| 19:56.07 | wols | sladi: is your userland knoppix? |
| 19:56.10 | n3kl | do you actually need to se the bs with dd? I have always known you can backup a drive like that real quick like, but never know how |
| 19:56.23 | bpun | helo, instead of dd, go for raid |
| 19:56.35 | n3kl | sladi: you are booting the wrong pxe boot |
| 19:56.37 | wols | n3kl: without it probably uses a very small blocksize and it will take ages |
| 19:56.52 | helo | bpun: what do you mean? |
| 19:56.53 | chops | bpun: RAID is no substitute for good backups (preferably offsite) |
| 19:56.59 | n3kl | wols: so its not really going to affect the data then? |
| 19:57.03 | helo | i'm cloning installs here :) |
| 19:57.06 | sladi | stew: usually it reads "debian:/# but the client says KNOPPIX:/# |
| 19:57.16 | wols | n3kl: it would be very bad if it effected the data |
| 19:57.22 | bpun | helo, you can also use cat cmd |
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| 19:57.28 | chops | bpun: There are plenty of disasters (including something as simple as 'rm -rf ~ /moise' as root) that RAID won't protect you from |
| 19:57.33 | sladi | n3kl: I downloaded netboot.tar from a debian server |
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| 19:57.37 | helo | with bs=512K, i get about 60MB/s, with no bs= option, it was going at about 17MB/s |
| 19:57.39 | n3kl | wols: thanks |
| 19:57.44 | bpun | helo, that way not worry about bs sizes to use optimally |
| 19:57.47 | hostile | Hi |
| 19:58.00 | stew | pozic: i'd recommend reinstalling the packages for which it is complaining about "files list file for package ___ missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 19:58.01 | sladi | wols: sorry I don't know what userland means but I customized a debian kernel |
| 19:58.02 | hostile | Linux iBook 2.6.18-6-powerpc <--- is this Kernel upgradable or fixable so i can enable my Wiresless Extreme card? |
| 19:58.05 | dudeman | sladi, hopefully you have read the pxe boot section of the debian install guide? |
| 19:58.07 | stew | pozic: is your system clock correct? |
| 19:58.09 | n3kl | sladi: no, I think you have that setup, perhaps your pxe is pointing you to the wrong place? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:58.39 | sladi | dudeman: a bit ^^ |
| 19:58.56 | stew | helo: if you have no bs= option it uses 512 |
| 19:58.58 | dudeman | I got it work on the first try using the install guide |
| 19:59.02 | pozic | stew: yes |
| 19:59.20 | pozic | stew: (tested via date) |
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| 19:59.33 | hostile | what version is 2.6.18-6 called |
| 19:59.35 | bpun | helo, lets say i have to ide harddrives- "cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb" |
| 19:59.41 | sladi | well I'll read the install guide again, I got caught in config errors caused by me |
| 19:59.45 | bpun | helo, copies from hda to hdb |
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| 19:59.57 | n3kl | bpun: will that actuall work? |
| 20:00.03 | dudeman | hostile, linux-image-2.6.18 ? |
| 20:00.08 | pozic | stew: I didn't clean the package cache for a long time and during the big upgrade I ran out of diskspace. |
| 20:00.09 | bpun | n3kl, assuming same hd model |
| 20:00.17 | dudeman | hostile, apt-cache search linux-image|grep 2.6.18 |
| 20:00.24 | pozic | stew: I think some of the scripts are not robust against that. |
| 20:00.26 | n3kl | so whta is the point of setting the bs? |
| 20:00.36 | \amethyst | n3kl: it does the same thing dd does, but with a more reasonable block size |
| 20:00.41 | bpun | n3kl, that's for bytesize for dd |
| 20:00.42 | dudeman | I got spam for roninies IRC somethig |
| 20:00.43 | dudeman | fucking spam |
| 20:00.48 | dudeman | uff. |
| 20:00.56 | stew | dudeman: -> #freenode |
| 20:00.58 | bpun | n3kl, using cat cmd omits worry about using a bs size |
| 20:01.05 | dudeman | thanks |
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| 20:01.36 | hostile | yeah i still cant fix my wireless for some reason |
| 20:01.38 | psilocyb1n | hey |
| 20:01.43 | psilocyb1n | huhu? |
| 20:01.46 | psilocyb1n | i found out the problem |
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| 20:01.50 | pozic | stew: I don't know what to do to solve those other problems. The database problem has been solved via that entry now. |
| 20:01.54 | lrp | hello |
| 20:01.56 | bpun | helo, make any sense? |
| 20:02.00 | sladi | n3kl: cat /etc/debian_version sais debian/ lenny on both pcs |
| 20:02.04 | bpun | helo, also i'm assuming same hd model |
| 20:02.06 | psilocyb1n | some script of debian installer had deleted file $FONTDIR/misc/fonts.alias |
| 20:02.06 | lrp | is there a program to recorder voice in debian ? |
| 20:02.10 | wols | !tell hostile about etchnhalf |
| 20:02.11 | stew | pozic: try aptitude reinstall package1 package2 package3... for the packages it is complainint about |
| 20:02.13 | psilocyb1n | see that? |
| 20:02.14 | lrp | i need a program to record voice |
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| 20:02.24 | n3kl | so say I make an image of a disk, like dd if=/dev/hda of=file bs=512, do I need to use the same bs when restoring file to /dev/hda |
| 20:02.26 | lrp | any help pls ? |
| 20:02.28 | n3kl | ? |
| 20:02.31 | wols | hostile: you haven't told us in a constructive way what the problem is either |
| 20:02.31 | lrp | !voice |
| 20:02.32 | dpkg | stands back: arf! arf arf! rowf arf! |
| 20:02.41 | sladi | stew: it says sladi@KNOPPIX:/# |
| 20:02.42 | bpun | n3kl, use cat |
| 20:02.42 | stew | n3kl: no |
| 20:02.46 | lrp | !voice recorder |
| 20:02.49 | \amethyst | n3kl: no---bs is just how much it copies per systemcall |
| 20:02.52 | stew | bpun: why cat instead of cp? |
| 20:02.58 | n3kl | so it only mattes for performance reasons |
| 20:03.02 | hostile | hmm |
| 20:03.03 | stew | n3kl: yes |
| 20:03.08 | pozic | stew: would remove work too? I don't care much about these packages. |
| 20:03.13 | \amethyst | n3kl: it can matter for some strange devices |
| 20:03.14 | bpun | stew, helo wants to dupliacte drive systems.. |
| 20:03.17 | n3kl | Thank you |
| 20:03.19 | stew | bpun: yes |
| 20:03.37 | stew | bpun: why use cat instead of cp? |
| 20:03.41 | bpun | n3kl, unless you need an offset using dd for some reason.. |
| 20:03.45 | pozic | stew: reinstalling already |
| 20:03.46 | stew | pozic: try it |
| 20:04.03 | bpun | stew, well cuse one doesnt have to worry about typing the bs size |
| 20:05.41 | \amethyst | bpun: how is that an advantage of cat over cp? |
| 20:05.41 | stew | bpun: and cp tries to use a more optimal bs for a given system |
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| 20:05.41 | bpun | for newbies lol |
| 20:05.42 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:05.42 | pozic | stew: I basically get the same output. |
| 20:05.42 | stew | bpun: i'm just saying "cp /dev/hda file" is likely to be better than "cat /dev/hda > file" |
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| 20:05.42 | \amethyst | how is cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb better for newbies than cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 20:05.42 | bpun | stew, dammit why you telling me.. helo was asking |
| 20:05.53 | bpun | stew, ok.. then tell him :) |
| 20:05.53 | stew | lrp: alsa has 'arecord' |
| 20:05.53 | sladi | I used the debian guide to get it working but putting I have to add a kernel since the client should use root over nfs form a server |
| 20:06.13 | stew | sladi: where did you get everything besides the kernel? |
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| 20:07.07 | muramasa | Is it possible to see what the additional packages when installing debian is? (Desktop environment, laptop, desktop and such) |
| 20:07.08 | sladi | stew: I got everything from official repos, netboot.atr.gz from debian.org |
| 20:07.12 | bpun | stew, i have no idea if helo is working from an imagefile |
| 20:07.18 | stew | muramasa: "tasksel --task-packages desktop" "tasksel --task-packages laptop" |
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| 20:07.40 | n3kl | sladi: I debootstrapped the location of my diskless client, then added the kernel and it seem to work relly nicely for me |
| 20:07.45 | sladi | stew: I used a knoppix live cd on the pc before if that has something to do with it |
| 20:07.46 | maxamillion | i installed a base install and then only the packages i need ontop of that and i am running xfce4 .. what would i need to do to allow a user to shutdown the computer from within xfce? |
| 20:07.58 | sladi | n3kl: i did the same |
| 20:07.59 | maxamillion | instead of dropping to gdm to shutdown |
| 20:08.02 | muramasa | stew: thank you |
| 20:08.09 | lrp | [stew] do you know any program to recorder voice from mic ? |
| 20:08.15 | stew | lrp: arecord |
| 20:08.24 | n3kl | This spam is going to drive me crazy |
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| 20:08.50 | sladi | n3kl: it looks fine on the server from chroot, but on the client it says sladi@KNOPPIX:/# |
| 20:09.18 | smacnay | does gthumb manage photos in a db format? |
| 20:09.39 | n3kl | sladi: have you specified multiple boots in your tftp and/or dhcp server? |
| 20:10.09 | sladi | stew: I used a permanent usb image for knoppix and it was still inserted when I booted debian on the client for the first time. |
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| 20:10.14 | n3kl | sladi: chroot the the machie, create a file, and verify that the file exists once you boot it up. This will tell you you are booting what you think you are booting |
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| 20:11.02 | myosound | maxamillion: I've had that problem before too. I can't rememeber exactly, but it had something to do with sudo |
| 20:11.04 | hostile | stop flooding! |
| 20:11.11 | pozic | stew: There is something wrong with xemacs21. I will fix that first. |
| 20:12.00 | pozic | stew: is there a way so I don't need to do dpkg --configure -a next time? |
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| 20:12.02 | myosound | maxamillion: try installing it if you haven't already |
| 20:12.18 | pozic | stew: the time to do one call to aptitude is a bit long... |
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| 20:13.28 | lrp | [stew] E: Couldn't find package arecord |
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| 20:14.19 | wols | !info arecord etch |
| 20:14.35 | stew | lrp: its in alsa-utils |
| 20:14.41 | sladi | n3kl: bashrc, directories, everything from chroot on the server is there when i boot the client |
| 20:14.41 | pozic | I instructed aptitude to reinstall xemacs, but it didn't. Then it goes on and calls xemacs21 which of course doesn't work. |
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| 20:15.15 | n3kl | sladi: I dunno man. I think you are overlooking something |
| 20:15.45 | lrp | alsa-utils is already the newest version= |
| 20:15.46 | bpun | ! |
| 20:15.54 | stew | pozic: reinstall the packages which aren't configuring first (since those are all emacs related, its not suprising that their being broken is affecting xemacs) |
| 20:15.54 | bpun | !info info |
| 20:16.01 | \amethyst | pozic: maybe try reinstalling xemacs21 instead ? |
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| 20:16.16 | dpkg | info: (Standalone GNU Info documentation browser), section doc, is important. Version: 4.11.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
| 20:16.21 | sladi | n3kl: ^^ well I used Knoppix livecd on the client before. maybe its the permanent usb image which was inserted whil booting debian |
| 20:16.28 | lrp | [stew] arecord ???? |
| 20:16.32 | stew | lrp: yes, arecord |
| 20:16.36 | sladi | i'll try to debootsrap again ^^ |
| 20:16.51 | bpun | wols, freenode taking care of 'em spammer? |
| 20:17.04 | psilocyb2n | lolz |
| 20:17.18 | wols | bpun: no clue. the spammers are all unidentified |
| 20:17.26 | wols | how theck heck can they /msg me? |
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| 20:17.31 | stew | bpun: ask #freenode |
| 20:17.42 | pozic | stew: when I run xemacs21 I get Couldn't find obvious defaults for: data-directory and some more directories. |
| 20:18.08 | stew | pozic: did you fix all of the broken packages? |
| 20:18.13 | pozic | stew: since the scripts all call xemacs21, it would make more sense to first get xemacs21 to reinstall or to get rid of it in some way. |
| 20:18.35 | pozic | stew: no, xemacs21 is the first program giving error messages now. |
| 20:18.46 | n3kl | what do I needto install to get some stuff to show up in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 20:18.48 | n3kl | ? |
| 20:18.49 | bpun | stew, alternatives has different xemacs? |
| 20:18.58 | pozic | stew: some people on the Intarweb solved it using reinstalling emacsen-common |
| 20:19.06 | DustyDingo | does anybody know, which texlive package includes lstlisting? |
| 20:19.10 | DustyDingo | can't find it |
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| 20:19.39 | Shardar | hi |
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| 20:19.41 | pozic | DustyDingo: apt-file update && apt-file search lslisting |
| 20:20.08 | pozic | DustyDingo: aptitude install apt-file to get apt-file. |
| 20:20.16 | Shardar | i have small trouble making a lenny install image on usb key |
| 20:20.25 | DustyDingo | *sighs* |
| 20:20.51 | Shardar | the key boots fine, but it can't find the netinst iso located on it |
| 20:20.52 | pozic | DustyDingo: ? |
| 20:20.53 | DustyDingo | why all the time i ask for a package including foo, people act like this |
| 20:21.04 | Shardar | and keeps telling me the cdrom can't be mounted |
| 20:21.08 | lrp | [stew] thanks a lot |
| 20:21.12 | bpun | dustydingo, apt-get.org if you give up :/ |
| 20:21.13 | DustyDingo | really, i know how to search in debian and everytime i ask here, it's really necessary |
| 20:21.14 | wols | DustyDingo: cause no one know the contontest of all fucking 20000 debian packages! |
| 20:21.22 | n3kl | DustyDingo: it is common practice for debian people to show you where you can find the answers yourself. |
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| 20:21.42 | stew | n3kl: however nobody has shown him how he can find the answer he is looking for |
| 20:21.44 | n3kl | DustyDingo: you should get used to doing your own legwork |
| 20:21.46 | Shardar | any idea ? |
| 20:22.11 | wols | stew: he reacts the same if you give him the !search factoid |
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| 20:22.15 | DustyDingo | n3kl: you haven't understood, if i could find this by a simple search i wouldn't ask |
| 20:22.26 | DustyDingo | it's that simple |
| 20:23.03 | bpun | dustydingo, i gave you a dingo url |
| 20:23.06 | n3kl | I say a few commands that might help you |
| 20:23.08 | DustyDingo | i know that there are lots of people asking stupid questions, but really, if i ask what package includes foo i have a reason to do so, do you understand? |
| 20:23.10 | RoyK | Too high IQ to be a cop... http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E2DB143DF93AA3575AC0A96F958260 |
| 20:23.29 | stew | RoyK: wrong channel |
| 20:23.58 | pozic | DustyDingo: you are asking a vague question. If you know what you are looking for systems can solve the problem. |
| 20:24.00 | DustyDingo | n3kl: and have you thought about the possibility, that i know all this stuff, and tried it and haven't found it?!? |
| 20:24.05 | pozic | DustyDingo: find a file in that package (via Google). |
| 20:24.07 | chops | DustyDingo: You can find it with a simple search if it exists in Debian. It looks to me (from running 'apt-file search lstlistings') like it doesn't exist in Debian. |
| 20:24.10 | psilocyb2n | hey, how do i reinstall the debian menu? i mean the menu with all the applications in it? |
| 20:24.11 | pozic | DustyDingo: then do what I said. |
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| 20:24.19 | pozic | DustyDingo: problem solved. Thank you very much. |
| 20:24.35 | infinitycircuit | psilocyb1n, install the package "menu" |
| 20:24.41 | infinitycircuit | update-menu refreshes its database |
| 20:24.43 | DustyDingo | chops: it's included, trust me |
| 20:24.48 | helo | if hdparm -t gives me "Timing buffered disk reads: 184 MB in 3.00 seconds = 61.25 MB/sec", a sustained read be able to achieve about 60MB/sec? |
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| 20:24.59 | n3kl | DustyDingo: I was politely telling you to pay attention. Don't get snippy with me man |
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| 20:25.24 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to do an AV scan on SMB share files that are on a debian server with clamd? |
| 20:25.35 | bpun | dustydingo, did you see the url i gave you? |
| 20:25.38 | wols | helo: currently hdds reach about 90MB/s sustained read |
| 20:25.43 | n3kl | magyar_: sure, man clamscan |
| 20:25.46 | psilocyb2n | i mean, this gnome menu, where reads "applications" "places" etc. is messed up, how do i fix? |
| 20:25.47 | DustyDingo | n3kl: i am kind of frustrated, everytime i ask a question here, i am treated that way and never get help |
| 20:25.48 | pozic | Was it aptitude or apt-get that understood wildcards in packages> |
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| 20:26.04 | pozic | I just want to reinstall all the emacs stuff; maybe that helps. |
| 20:26.27 | n3kl | DustyDingo: I have no more authority here than you my friend |
| 20:26.32 | wols | DustyDingo: if pdo doesn't have it, it's not there, you don't need to trust me, cause I already know |
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| 20:26.58 | magyar_ | n3kl, thanks |
| 20:26.59 | infinitycircuit | psilocyb1n, oh that's different. |
| 20:27.04 | infinitycircuit | !tell psilocyb1n conf-miss |
| 20:27.19 | bpun | pozic, "file /etc/alternatives" |
| 20:27.23 | n3kl | magyar_: wait, is the smb mounted? |
| 20:27.25 | bpun | nmind.. |
| 20:27.38 | psilocyb2n | "tell psilocyb2n conf-miss |
| 20:27.42 | psilocyb2n | !tell psilocyb2n conf-miss |
| 20:27.47 | wols | !tell psilocyb2n about selftell |
| 20:28.05 | psilocyb2n | ah i see |
| 20:28.40 | n3kl | DustyDingo: also, fyi, more information about your situation, as well as things you have tried always gets you better results in here |
| 20:28.44 | psilocyb2n | i said conf-miss to it, and it ask are you using windows |
| 20:28.45 | psilocyb2n | :( |
| 20:29.00 | DustyDingo | ok, next time i ask for a package, i will write immediately, and that the one who gives me an "apt-file" gets his head crushed, ok? |
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| 20:29.38 | bpun | dustydingo, isnt it lstlisting and not lslisting ? |
| 20:29.44 | helo | asks dpkg to tell me about selftell |
| 20:29.45 | n3kl | virtual head crushings are awesome?! |
| 20:30.14 | DustyDingo | bpun: only typo here |
| 20:30.29 | pozic | How can I override dpkg --configure -a? This is driving me nuts. |
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| 20:30.47 | wols | !selftell |
| 20:30.47 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 20:31.15 | magyar_ | n3kl, do you know if "healing" is possible? |
| 20:31.47 | infinitycircuit | pozic, what do you mean |
| 20:32.07 | n3kl | magyar_: oh with clam? I think so, but it would tell you in the manpage. THere is a section of options that tell clam what to do with the infected files |
| 20:32.10 | DustyDingo | so right, nobody still can tell me where lstlisting is included? |
| 20:32.11 | bpun | anyone has a take for bochs or virtualbox? someone was asking about changing cpu types and i suggested a look at virtualbox.. |
| 20:32.18 | pozic | infinitycircuit: I mean that running aptitude install to completion takes 13 minutes of my time. |
| 20:32.36 | pozic | infinitycircuit: I just want to exit it when I know it's not going to run to completion. |
| 20:32.41 | pozic | infinitycircuit: and I don |
| 20:32.44 | magyar_ | n3kl, k, thanks |
| 20:32.58 | pozic | infinitycircuit: 't want it to complain to run the command I just typed. |
| 20:33.01 | bpun | dustydingo, are you sure that's how its spelled? that's another spelling you're using |
| 20:33.17 | bpun | dustydingo, you should be accurate in the first place then complain |
| 20:33.25 | pozic | infinitycircuit: probably there is some lock file that says "the user interrupted a process". |
| 20:33.32 | n3kl | bpun: nice |
| 20:33.40 | helo | why does cfdisk think that 80*10^9 bytes is 80GB? |
| 20:33.51 | stew | helo: becuase it is? |
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| 20:34.08 | helo | some kind of crazy open source astroturfing by hd vendors? |
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| 20:34.33 | n3kl | ha, astroturf! |
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| 20:34.43 | DustyDingo | i was accurate in my questions, it's just that people here presume, that anybody who asks a question is stupid and that they must act smart and tell bother him wis basics |
| 20:34.44 | helo | 80G is 80*1024*1024*1024 bytes, isn't it? |
| 20:35.02 | pozic | helo: GB vs GiB |
| 20:35.06 | stew | helo: that is more accurately 80GiB |
| 20:35.29 | Suodnaa | Would tarballing and encrypting / be any quicker than recursively encrypting each file in / ? If so about how much quicker? |
| 20:35.36 | adama | !gigabyte |
| 20:35.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, gigabyte is (1 billion bytes) There are a few different ways of getting to this number. No one uses the same exact number, but they are all around 1 billion. One way of deriving the number is by multiplying 1 byte by 1024 for 1 KB then again by 1024 to get 1 MB then that by 1024 for 1 GB. The variations come when people substitute 1000 for the 1024s. |
| 20:35.47 | wols | helo: depends if you ask a hdd maker or a RAM maker |
| 20:35.55 | helo | that notation is retarded, google says so |
| 20:36.36 | dudeman | 24 is a lot |
| 20:36.54 | psilocyb1n | ah, i have seen the light, just press alt + f2 in gnome, and type the command. |
| 20:36.56 | psilocyb1n | byyebyeb |
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| 20:37.15 | helo | http://www.google.com/search?&q=80+bytes+*+1024+*+1024+*+1024+to+GB |
| 20:37.59 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: convert 80 gibibytes to gigabytes |
| 20:38.01 | dpkg | 80 gibibytes is approximately 85.8993 gigabytes |
| 20:38.13 | JyZyXEL | google is wrong |
| 20:38.37 | bpun | wikipedia has insight on this as well i believe |
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| 20:39.16 | pozic | stew: What's wrong with apt-get --reinstall install *emacs* gnuplot-mode emms <etc>? I also tried with quoting *emacs* I get a regex compilion error. |
| 20:39.35 | dondelelcaro | pozic: because you almost certainly don't want all of the different emacs variants |
| 20:39.37 | snoops | hey guys, I'm wondering if you may be able to help me diagnose what's up with this harddrive on a dedicated server I've rented.. Doing dhparm -Tt /dev/sda gets me a total 13MB/sec for buffered disk reads, which is pretty shockingly slow I think. It's a 5400rpm drive, but even though it's a slow drive, it shouldn't be that slow |
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| 20:39.56 | snoops | it's also a sata II one, so it seems I can't set dma and such on it? |
| 20:40.08 | dudeman | sata2 5400rpm? |
| 20:40.11 | dudeman | really? |
| 20:40.12 | wols | snoops: PIO mode. no busmaster drivers used |
| 20:40.15 | JyZyXEL | 80 bytes * 1 024 * 1 024 * 1 024 != 80 gigabytes |
| 20:40.17 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the command said "reinstall", no? |
| 20:40.18 | abrotman | snoops: there are some combinations known to be buggy taht result in slower speeds |
| 20:40.25 | JyZyXEL | its 80 gibibytes |
| 20:40.26 | wols | dudeman: 2.5" drive perhaps |
| 20:40.29 | pozic | dondelelcaro: so, it would only reinstall the ones I have installed. |
| 20:40.32 | dudeman | ahh laptop drive |
| 20:40.34 | dondelelcaro | pozic: uh, no. |
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| 20:40.42 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, fine, then I don't know. |
| 20:40.53 | snoops | dudeman, an hitachi drive |
| 20:40.53 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I am getting frustated here, sorry. |
| 20:40.54 | FabParma | [OT] Does exist a VM/CPU-emulator that can let chooses which cpu (amd or intel) to use into the guest enviroment w/o ties with host hw config? Thank You for help me, Fab |
| 20:40.56 | snoops | yeah it's 2.5" |
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| 20:41.04 | dondelelcaro | pozic: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | FabParma: why does it matter? |
| 20:41.13 | pozic | dondelelcaro: can you read the backlog? |
| 20:41.16 | wols | FabParma: I long ago told you a solution |
| 20:41.30 | dondelelcaro | pozic: I glanced at it briefly, and didn't see your question. |
| 20:41.40 | bpun | helo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte |
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| 20:42.28 | meme22 | I just installed debian on a new server computer, after it all seems to install properly I get the grub message "Error 2" What exactly does this error message mean? |
| 20:42.29 | FabParma | wols: which one? |
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| 20:42.47 | bpun | probably the JEDEC notation is confusing for Giga being 1024 and SI being 1000 |
| 20:42.47 | snoops | how can I check if it's in PIO mode wols? |
| 20:42.48 | meme22 | I tried installing a second time just to make sure and still have the problem. |
| 20:42.53 | dudeman | meme22, google for grub errors or 'grub error 2' |
| 20:43.00 | snoops | http://pastebin.ca/1045378 here's the info I have on the drive |
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| 20:43.09 | dudeman | error i dunno cant remember what is |
| 20:43.26 | meme22 | dudeman: I did, it means "selected disk does not exist" I'm still at a loss as to why and how I can fix it |
| 20:43.36 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I want to delete some packages, but the package system executes all kinds of scripts I couldn't care less about. |
| 20:43.37 | snoops | the IO suport being set to 16bit seems a bit fishy to me, and apparently since it's a sata the errors for ioctl don't matter, but that means I can't set dma and so on |
| 20:43.57 | pozic | dondelelcaro: those scripts cannot complete, because a.o. xemacs21 behaves weirdly. |
| 20:44.33 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I solved the database problem already in this message: http://paste.debian.net/6172/ |
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| 20:44.40 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the rest of the output is unchanged. |
| 20:44.57 | meme22 | dudeman: or maybe it means "Bad file or directory type" |
| 20:45.40 | dondelelcaro | pozic: reinstall just the packages whose file lists are missing |
| 20:45.46 | bpun | snoops, what model drive? |
| 20:45.47 | meme22 | this is being installed on the first hdd of a three hdd raid implementation, could that be a problem? |
| 20:45.51 | dondelelcaro | pozic: there's only a few of them, so it should be fairly trivial |
| 20:46.13 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what packages are that? |
| 20:46.20 | dudeman | meme22, is there a hdd in the machine? |
| 20:46.27 | dondelelcaro | pozic: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xemacs21-basesupport-el' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. et al. |
| 20:46.38 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it'd also help if your pastes weren't so hideously formatted... |
| 20:46.50 | pozic | dondelelcaro: this was a paste of a paste. |
| 20:47.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I figured as much |
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| 20:47.41 | dondelelcaro | pozic: if you're using aptitude, you could go aptitude reinstall '~iemacs'; though that'll likely reinstall things which don't actually have to be reinstalled. |
| 20:47.58 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I don't care if the commands takes an hour to complete. |
| 20:48.02 | pozic | dondelelcaro: as long as it works. |
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| 20:48.11 | dudeman | argh. |
| 20:48.15 | snoops | bpun, umm the model is a Hitachi HTS54161 SB4O |
| 20:48.25 | dondelelcaro | pozic: well, I don't know if it'll fix all of the problems, but it should resolve the first few issues. |
| 20:48.32 | bpun | snoops, what else is in the systems? |
| 20:48.48 | snoops | that's the only drive on there |
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| 20:49.27 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I need to "manually repair emacs22". |
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| 20:49.36 | bpun | snoops, cat /proc/scsi/scsi shows anything? |
| 20:49.43 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I wasn't able to locate file for the emacs22 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 20:50.13 | stew | pozic: what version of debian is this? |
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| 20:50.25 | pozic | stew: lenny |
| 20:50.40 | smacnay | where does one change the behaviour of importation of pictures from an sd card? |
| 20:50.42 | dondelelcaro | pozic: give the full output from that command, if you would. |
| 20:50.57 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: you just copy them from the card; there's no real importation to speak of. |
| 20:51.09 | snoops | yep bpun - http://pastebin.ca/1045382 |
| 20:51.23 | bpun | smacnay, it's a fat (msdos filesystem) stored on the card |
| 20:51.39 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, ah sorry, this is a gnome question asked in the wrong place... |
| 20:51.51 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/6173/ |
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| 20:52.22 | stew | pozic: did you ever try using aptitude to reinstall the packages it was complaining about? |
| 20:52.34 | dondelelcaro | stew: that's what he just did |
| 20:52.36 | tyler | how might i go by installing perl packages? |
| 20:52.41 | bpun | snoops, how new is the drive model? |
| 20:52.52 | tyler | i do knwo that in centos, its best to find an rpm in a repo |
| 20:52.53 | dondelelcaro | tyler: aptitude install perl; etc. Depends on what you want to install. |
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| 20:53.00 | tyler | Net::IRC to be specific |
| 20:53.44 | _NoxIn_ | meme22: did you install from an usb device ? |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | i ran a search in the repos for "IRC" and foudn nothing relating to that module |
| 20:53.45 | dondelelcaro | tyler: you really don't want to use Net::IRC; you want POE::Component::IRC |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | and i meant module* |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | yeah i know |
| 20:53.45 | dondelelcaro | tyler: but it's libnet-irc-perl. |
| 20:53.45 | bpun | snoops, this a laptop right? |
| 20:53.45 | \amethyst | tyler: likewise in debian it's better to get it from the archive |
| 20:53.45 | snoops | fairly new I belief bpun.. but I can't be sure exactly - it's a dedicated server I've rented for awhile to do some database work |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | but what i have wrote, is for Net::IRC |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | \amethyst: yeah |
| 20:53.45 | dondelelcaro | tyler: so you should rewrite it! |
| 20:53.45 | tyler | dondelelcaro: ive considered it >:P |
| 20:53.48 | snoops | nope, not a laptop, it's stuck in a u1 rack |
| 20:53.50 | tyler | welcome to being lazy :P |
| 20:53.50 | \amethyst | tyler: Usually a Perl package Foo::Bar::Baz is in libfoo-bar-baz-perl |
| 20:53.56 | tyler | ah i see, \amethyst |
| 20:53.58 | tyler | thanks :) |
| 20:54.14 | stew | dondelelcaro: no his problem with emacs/xemacs is a bunch of elisp packages which are broken becuase he ran out of room while unpackaing, and since those aren't recompiling emacs/xemacs doesn't configure |
| 20:54.14 | \amethyst | tyler: if it's not, you might be able to build your own package with dh-make-perl |
| 20:54.21 | meme22 | dudeman: yes, there are 3 harddrives set up as raid5, when installing debian, I install to sda0 |
| 20:54.22 | pozic | stew: complaining is "file list missing for package"? |
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| 20:54.26 | pozic | stew: no |
| 20:54.28 | tyler | \amethyst: i see |
| 20:54.30 | dondelelcaro | stew: it's more complex than that. |
| 20:54.32 | bpun | snoops, what does "fdisk -l" spit out? |
| 20:54.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: he's missing the .list for those packages too. |
| 20:54.47 | dondelelcaro | stew: and the current problem is what happens on reinstall. |
| 20:55.04 | stew | dondelelcaro: and reinstalling doens't replace the .list ? |
| 20:55.26 | dondelelcaro | stew: yes, of course; see his current paste and the most recent advice I gave. |
| 20:55.33 | dondelelcaro | (hint: it was to reinstall) |
| 20:55.37 | dudeman | yeh |
| 20:55.39 | dudeman | thats the problem |
| 20:55.42 | dudeman | you instaleld a raid |
| 20:55.46 | dudeman | your /boot is on a raid |
| 20:55.49 | dudeman | I think... |
| 20:56.05 | snoops | bpun, http://pastebin.ca/1045384 |
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| 20:56.18 | dondelelcaro | pozic: I'm not entirely sure what that error message is about; if you do strace aptitude reinstall '~iemacs'; and paste the output, I'll know, though. |
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| 20:56.42 | Skratz0r | WAves |
| 20:56.54 | stew | dondelelcaro: right but that didn't reinstall the packages that were missing the .list file (at least according to a previous paste) |
| 20:56.57 | bpun | snoops, and you using lenny with a correct kernel for the system? |
| 20:57.01 | dondelelcaro | stew: sure it did |
| 20:57.11 | dondelelcaro | stew: or at least, it would have, if the current error didn't cause a problem. |
| 20:57.17 | stew | i must have missed a paste |
| 20:57.21 | snoops | I was using etch, but I upgraded to lenny bpun |
| 20:57.26 | dondelelcaro | stew: http://paste.debian.net/6173/ |
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| 20:57.46 | snoops | and as far as I know, it's the correct kernel - the performance hasn't changed from etch to lenny |
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| 20:58.29 | bpun | snoops, and what other errors is there? |
| 20:58.35 | meme22 | dudeman: so how do I install debian to a raid array containing 3 disks, when setting up the partitions, it shows me sda0, sda1, and sda2 |
| 20:58.55 | dudeman | I'm not familiar with raid in linux... yet. |
| 20:59.03 | abrotman | eh? |
| 20:59.14 | dondelelcaro | meme22: if you read the installation guide, it's explained, but briefly, create partitions, mark those partitions to be used in raid, configure the raid devices, put partitions on the raid devices created. |
| 20:59.18 | snoops | I haven't noticed any other issues bpun..everything is smooth sailing until I try to write a fair bit to the hdd |
| 20:59.22 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am trying to setup a root parition that is encrypted by luks. i currently have sda3 as the unencrypted root paritition, i setup /dev/sda2 as the encrypted partition and accessed at /dev/mapper/sda2_2 and copied the files over, /boot is on /dev/sda5 (unecrypted), kernel boot paramteters being root=/dev/mapper/sda2_2 , i am using the standard lenny kernel, the initrd image is updated, the kernel just hangs saying waiting for |
| 20:59.22 | halflife08 | parition to come up, would appreciate some suggestions |
| 20:59.24 | abrotman | meme22: if linux is seeing it as three drives, either you didn't set your HW raid correctly, or you'll need to use swraid |
| 20:59.25 | dudeman | abrotman, :) |
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| 20:59.44 | abrotman | sr sysadmin .. no raid .. |
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| 20:59.52 | abrotman | goes back to the dungeon |
| 20:59.56 | dudeman | I don't work on nix machines. |
| 21:00.06 | Kobaz | gets out some whips and chains |
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| 21:00.17 | dudeman | all my eduaction and certification is in windows, which is a money maker |
| 21:00.20 | dudeman | linux is a hobby |
| 21:00.20 | halflife08 | i did update /etc/crypptab and /etc/fstab and / is the first in the list of entries |
| 21:00.29 | dudeman | thanks for the attack, prick. |
| 21:00.29 | teclo- | Hello, what newsreader are availablefor Debian ? |
| 21:00.30 | ay^ | ooh whips and chains.. thats my department |
| 21:00.39 | bpun | snoops, well you can increase the verbosity of hdparm and send that output to the package team.. |
| 21:00.43 | ay^ | teclo-: snownews :) |
| 21:01.09 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/6175/ |
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| 21:01.56 | abrotman | dudeman: what happened to your statement about not calling people names? :) |
| 21:02.02 | teclo- | ay^: yes but :) |
| 21:02.04 | dudeman | thats not name calling |
| 21:02.06 | teclo- | ay^: thats commande line |
| 21:02.13 | dudeman | thats your personality trait. |
| 21:02.17 | dudeman | i just observed it. |
| 21:02.20 | teclo- | Hello, what graphical usent client are availablefor Debian ? |
| 21:02.20 | ay^ | teclo-: oh yes, very much so! |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | still name calling |
| 21:02.27 | snoops | hmm, the --verbose flag only displays extra diagnostic info for some commands, not the command to just get some info bpun |
| 21:02.29 | meme22 | okay, thanks dudeman, dondelelcaro, abrotman |
| 21:02.30 | Kobaz | teclo-: thunderbird |
| 21:02.40 | abrotman | meme22: do you know which controller you have ? |
| 21:03.03 | teclo- | ay^: well I'm using a cli irc client right now, but I'dlike a uhh usenet reader |
| 21:03.19 | bpun | snoops, isnt this drive 5400 rpm? |
| 21:03.30 | HockeyInJune | What is the best application for managing Network Connections? |
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| 21:04.14 | teclo- | HockeyInJune: ifconfig :) |
| 21:04.21 | HockeyInJune | XD |
| 21:04.28 | HockeyInJune | Desktop Application, maybe? |
| 21:04.31 | dudeman | abrotman, I don't see anyone else trying to fuck with me in here EVER but you. Could you kindly try not to instigate shit. please? |
| 21:04.45 | abrotman | i see it all the time |
| 21:04.50 | bpun | HockeyInJune, for wifi? |
| 21:04.55 | HockeyInJune | Sure |
| 21:05.00 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: there are many GUI front ends to network-manager .. though it has issues i suppose |
| 21:05.20 | snoops | yep it is bpun, but 13MB/s read/write speed is a joke |
| 21:05.30 | HockeyInJune | network-manager is a command line app? |
| 21:05.36 | dondelelcaro | pozic: can you check that there's an ^Package: emacs22$ line in /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates; |
| 21:05.39 | dudeman | abrotman, w/e... have fun... |
| 21:05.46 | meme22 | I'm not sure abrotman, first time using RAID, but in the ROM setup it says "Intel Matrix Storage Manager". I created a volume with ID 0, and all three disks are members of that volume. |
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| 21:06.53 | teclo- | what about sylpheed ? pan ? |
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| 21:07.09 | pozic | dondelelcaro: grep -e "^Package: emacs22$" /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates returns Package: emacs22 |
| 21:07.17 | abrotman | meme22: it may be a fakeraid card |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 21:07.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 21:07.24 | abrotman | hrm .. no url |
| 21:07.32 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 21:07.32 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | !fakeraid is also see <sata faq> |
| 21:07.47 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 21:09.31 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I can run emacs22 just fine and it's installed at /usr/bin/emacs22 |
| 21:09.42 | dondelelcaro | pozic: hrm... ok; can you try strace -ff aptitude reinstall emacs22; and provide the last bit of output? |
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| 21:10.07 | dondelelcaro | pozic: yeah, it's almost certainly properly installed... the problem is either with aptitude or dpkg |
| 21:10.10 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, please check your msg |
| 21:10.16 | dondelelcaro | dudeman: I saw it |
| 21:10.21 | dudeman | ok |
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| 21:10.35 | snoops | yeah, what seems to happen bpun is this: I'm testing the performance by going to download a debian dvd iso, just for example.. I use wget, and the thing starts out at 3MB/s, then just freezes - it seems like the writing to disk is taking so long that it can't keep up with 3MB/s, then it starts from 0 again, going to 5MB/s, at which point it stops for an even longer time, while I'm assuming it's writing the contents from memory to disk |
| 21:11.06 | snoops | then repeats the cycle |
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| 21:12.00 | abrotman | meme22: if you're in the installer .. you can use lspci to get the actual device, that thing you're describing (Matrix Storage Manager), doesn't sound like a RAID device as much as a BIOS config manager |
| 21:12.39 | bpun | snoops, well you can always narrow down the problem, can run a hardware diagnostic.. i'm assuming the drive is fine.. |
| 21:12.50 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/6177/ |
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| 21:12.58 | ArthurArchnix | abrotman: I thought network manager was a front-end to wpa_supplicant |
| 21:13.04 | enneth | Is it in any way possible to burn a sparseimage in Debian? |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | there are GUI front ends to n-m though |
| 21:13.42 | ArthurArchnix | Front ends to front ends... programming by Escher coming to a laptop near you soon |
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| 21:16.05 | ArthurArchnix | I'm having trouble searching for this problem, maybe some one can help give me better search terms. When I open a new window or program, it opens up underneath any active windows. What's supposed to happen, is that when you open a program it steals focus. |
| 21:16.33 | ArthurArchnix | All i can get though is google results about using windows in some kind of virtual environment |
| 21:16.38 | Lagbolts | ArthurArchnix, what window manager are you running? |
| 21:16.49 | ArthurArchnix | metacity |
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| 21:17.16 | ArthurArchnix | !ops | wango tango is offering to sell burritos... aka. spamming |
| 21:17.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: arthurarchnix complains about: | wango tango is offering to sell burritos... aka. spamming |
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| 21:17.28 | ArthurArchnix | WangoTango sorry |
| 21:17.32 | Lagbolts | hmm, i am not using gnome but i believe there is a focus control in the preferences. should be something about "stealing focus" in there |
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| 21:18.08 | halflife08 | i am trying to setup a root parition that is encrypted by luks. i currently have sda3 as the unencrypted root paritition, i setup /dev/sda2 as the encrypted partition and accessed at /dev/mapper/sda2_2 and copied the files over, /boot is on /dev/sda5 (unecrypted), kernel boot paramteters being root=/dev/mapper/sda2_2 , i am using the standard lenny kernel, the initrd image is updated, the kernel just hangs saying waiting for root parition |
| 21:18.08 | halflife08 | up, would appreciate some suggestions |
| 21:18.19 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/6180/ |
| 21:18.30 | snoops | what sort of hardware diagnostic do you recommend trying bpun? Thanks very much for the help so far by the way |
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| 21:19.09 | HockeyInJune | Any comments on network-manager-kde? |
| 21:19.17 | pozic | dondelelcaro: never mind that one, I thought you already answered... |
| 21:19.44 | bpun | snoops, well you can see if hitachi has any guidelines.. it may be as something simple as updating a bios, passing a param to the bootline, or possibly it's a bug or feature missing in lenny |
| 21:19.50 | Lagbolts | halflife08, sounds like the initramfs isnt updated |
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| 21:20.18 | Lagbolts | halflife08, is this a new install or are you migrating to crypt? |
| 21:20.23 | bpun | snoops, you can always try a similar kernel and see if it recurrs.. |
| 21:20.28 | dudeman | stew, I don't think you'll find anything that way |
| 21:20.32 | dudeman | stew, they got smart :( |
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| 21:20.50 | bpun | snoops, i suspect it's the kernel for that model hd.. |
| 21:21.01 | snoops | okay bpun. Thanks. The first thing I'll do is just get the management team to do a performance test for me |
| 21:21.07 | snoops | I have tried different kernels though |
| 21:21.24 | pozic | dondelelcaro: still there? |
| 21:21.46 | bpun | snoops, dunno, maybe try some reset functions with the bios.. i have no clue on the setup over there. |
| 21:21.52 | Lagbolts | halflife08, i had some trouble when i first started using crypt. had to pass the crypt option in grub until i managed to get the initrd to do what i wanted. try adding |
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| 21:22.08 | Lagbolts | cryptopts=source=/dev/sdb2 to your kernel line in menu.lst |
| 21:22.31 | halflife08 | Lagbolts: i am migrating to crypt. the current root partition /dev/sda3 is unencrypted, and /dev/sda2 is the new encrypted root partition /boot,/home is shared, /home is already encrypted so when i boot with /dev/sda3 as root i get prompted for the passphrase for LUKS , should i try to chroot to /dev/sda2 say mounted on /mnt and then run update again ? |
| 21:23.00 | snoops | yeah, is the sort of behaviour I described (as per the wget download experiment) consistent with the hypothesis that the hdd is lagging behind the system - can't keep up? I think so, but I was wondering what you think bpun? |
| 21:23.14 | bpun | snoops, performance tests? so far hdparm is having trouble with dma i believe.. |
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| 21:23.26 | stanis_sh | hi all |
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| 21:23.29 | dondelelcaro | pozic: hrm... that's rather odd; try just using apt-get manually. |
| 21:23.30 | bpun | snoops, you cant have performance without dma |
| 21:23.36 | stanis_sh | I've got a problem with compose key |
| 21:23.48 | stanis_sh | I am doing setxkbmap -layout us,ru -variant 'basic,winkeys' -option 'grp:shifts_toggle,grp_led:scroll,ctrl:nocaps,compose:lwin' |
| 21:23.53 | Lagbolts | halflife08, try adding this --> cryptopts=source=/dev/sda2 to your kernel line in menu.lst |
| 21:23.56 | stanis_sh | but it doesn't work |
| 21:24.01 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I don't know what you mean. apt-get runs the same scripts that lead to problems. |
| 21:24.08 | halflife08 | Lagbolts: oh, how did you pass the option since i don't find the option in grub manual |
| 21:24.12 | dondelelcaro | pozic: or something like aptitude search -F'%100p' '~iemacs'|xargs apt-get --reinstall install; |
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| 21:24.20 | halflife08 | Lagbots: aah okay , i shall try that |
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| 21:24.31 | bit0 | hola |
| 21:25.19 | Lagbolts | halflife08, just append it to the kernel line e.g.) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/foo cryptopts=source=/dev/sdb2,target=foo |
| 21:25.19 | Lagbolts | something like that |
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| 21:25.31 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it wants to download a lot of packages now. |
| 21:25.34 | stanis_sh | so what can I do? |
| 21:25.51 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I'd rather not do that (takes an hour or so). |
| 21:25.57 | bpun | pozic, why not take a look at the scripts? |
| 21:26.37 | pozic | bpun: because I don't care. I don't want that software on my system to begin with. Survival of the fittest and all that. |
| 21:27.02 | bpun | pozic, there are uninstall scripts arent there? |
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| 21:28.15 | pozic | dondelelcaro: actually, it doesn't even work |
| 21:28.56 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it asks: Do you want to continue and then fills in the answer for me. |
| 21:28.58 | bpun | pozic, you dont know where the scripts are? |
| 21:28.59 | meme22 | abrotman: sorry for my ignorance, but how do I get to the command prompt from the debian installer to run lspci? |
| 21:29.01 | pozic | dondelelcaro: aborting. |
| 21:29.10 | pozic | bpun: I forget that everytime. |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | meme22: alt-f3 IIRC |
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| 21:30.19 | ArthurArchnix | I think it I figured out what's happening. The only windows that open under active windows are those that are run as root. So, synaptic, or login manager. |
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| 21:30.33 | pozic | dondelelcaro: worked around that problem by adding -y. |
| 21:30.33 | ArthurArchnix | Probably because I haven't properly setup sudo yet. |
| 21:30.50 | tosh| | hi, I've upgraded to php5 on my apache2, did an upgrade of apache2 now as well, but now, everything I try to visit php pages on my webserver, apache2 gets segmentation faults, any idea why this might be? |
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| 21:31.40 | halflife08 | Lagbolts: that worked thank you ! |
| 21:32.04 | Lagbolts | no prob |
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| 21:32.21 | ArthurArchnix | If I'm getting spammed by someone not in the channel, how should I report that to freenode ops? |
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| 21:33.05 | Lagbolts | halflife08, i forget what package updates initramfs stuff but that should all be built into the initrd so it detects it on boot with out that options. might want to google around |
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| 21:34.47 | bpun | ArthurArchnix, #freenode |
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| 21:36.03 | meme22 | abrotman: okay, I think this must be it: Intel 631xESB/632xESB SATA Storage Controller RAID |
| 21:36.37 | ArthurArchnix | thanks bpun... on there now |
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| 21:38.44 | freebird | I`m using tcpdump to listen on port 53, how could someone test that port for, so I can find out it my isp is blocking that or not ?? tcp connections reached, |
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| 21:39.29 | tosh| | my apache2 segfaulting has to do with the preforking apache2 distro I have apparantly, anyone know anything about it and why php5 segfaults apache child procs? |
| 21:39.43 | petemc | freebird: if you have a box outside your isps network, tcptraceroute can check ports along hops |
| 21:39.50 | abrotman | !tell meme22 about sata faq |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | meme22: so you can check if it's fakeraid or real raid to see if you need to use swraid or if you can use the bios setup |
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| 21:40.57 | freebird | I just whant that someone send me information on port 53 so I can see if it`s even reaching my dns server, |
| 21:40.57 | runa | hi is it possible to use cairo-clock with the transparency effect with windowmaker? |
| 21:41.16 | freebird | does some kind of ping can do that ? |
| 21:41.17 | markybob | i wish more people had good parents who told them anything is possible :P |
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| 21:41.28 | halflife08 | Lagbolts: update-initramfs ? i did run that , after setting up /home as encrypted parition, i am not quite knowledgeable about initramfs, i thought once you run it , the initrd image has the module it needs and the kernel should be able recognize it, but i guess i was missing the kernel options since the kernel can't read the contents of /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab without mounting the partition |
| 21:41.34 | abrotman | markybob: you can't tell kids that! :) |
| 21:41.54 | markybob | abrotman, my mistake :) |
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| 21:42.18 | abrotman | eh .. should debhelper and fn be fighting over channel limits? |
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| 21:42.45 | freebird | petemc, how tcptraceroute should be used ? |
| 21:42.51 | freebird | in this case |
| 21:43.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: should debhelper and fn be fighting over channel limits? |
| 21:43.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, that happens after splits |
| 21:43.51 | petemc | freebird: as per the man page |
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| 21:44.04 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 21:44.08 | kellem | bonsoir |
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| 21:45.12 | tuv | X stopped working today on my testing machine. starting gdm, xdm or startx freeze the system (even CAPS lock doesn't work). I even, out of desperation, tried ubuntu live cd: same effect. upgrading to sid did not change a thing. any similar experiences? solutions? |
| 21:45.20 | tuv | amd64, btw |
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| 21:45.53 | abrotman | tuv: tried vesa driver? |
| 21:45.55 | tuv | nothing is logged in xorg logs |
| 21:46.06 | abrotman | can you ssh remotely to the system after X freezes? |
| 21:46.14 | tuv | abrotman, no, and no |
| 21:46.24 | abrotman | try it and not good |
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| 21:51.03 | Bushmills | what is the current legal state of knowledge concerning closed source apps, dynamically linking to GPL libs? (my thoughts are, distribution is legal, especailly if distributed without the GPL lib. if GPL lib distributed along with the program, making the lib source available is sufficient to comply with the GPL) |
| 21:51.41 | markybob | Bushmills, you're confusing GPL with LGPL |
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| 21:51.57 | Bushmills | markybob: could well be |
| 21:52.03 | tuv | abrotman, what if it does/doesn't work with the vesa driver? |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | ouch |
| 21:52.30 | markybob | Bushmills, you can with LGPL, not with GPL |
| 21:54.02 | Bushmills | hm... but closed source apps may call linux kernel functions? (which also provides functionality while being under the GPL) |
| 21:54.33 | tuv | abrotman, i mean, if it does work with vesa, then something is wrong with the intel driver (g35 chipset), but what can i do then? and if it doesn't work, what else could be the problem? the thing is that it was working just fine until today |
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| 21:55.14 | bpun | Bushmills, LGPL is not closed source..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGPL |
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| 21:55.54 | Bushmills | bpun: i know that... my question was concerning closed source apps with GPL, not LGPL apps with GPL,. |
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| 21:56.24 | bpun | Bushmills, never heard of the term closed source.. i have no clue what you talking about.. |
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| 21:56.59 | Sling | i hope that is a joke |
| 21:57.06 | Bushmills | (with GPL/:LGPL means "linking to functionality in libs under one of these licences) |
| 21:57.09 | bpun | Bushmills, you mean Microsoft? |
| 21:57.11 | markybob | Bushmills, you can use a gpl program from a closed-source program. meaning launching it or passing it an argument or something, but you cant make it part of your program (real linking) |
| 21:57.16 | tuv | bpun, closed-source = binary-only, e.g. nvidia drivers |
| 21:57.23 | Bushmills | !closed source |
| 21:57.46 | Bushmills | bpun: seems you're not the only one |
| 21:57.50 | azeem | Bushmills: the GPL has exemption for system software, like the kernel syscalls |
| 21:58.04 | bpun | Bushmills, its not a terminology, perhaps you mean proprietary license.. |
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| 21:58.46 | stew | you can do whatever you want with a gpl program and a closed source program if you don't redistribute the results |
| 21:58.47 | binarymutant | is there a way to copy/paste with aterm? |
| 21:58.49 | azeem | bpun: please discuss semantics of closed source vs. proprietary elsewhere |
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| 21:59.16 | bpun | azeem, I understand what he's asking now.. please.. |
| 21:59.21 | Bushmills | in general, software under licenses which does not require to make the source code available |
| 21:59.58 | bpun | i think stew made it very clear, it comes down to distribution Bushmills |
| 22:00.07 | abrotman | tuv: it could be a driver issue .. did that driver recently get updated? ISTR some X updates over the last few days |
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| 22:00.37 | tuv | ISTR? |
| 22:00.59 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.22 | abrotman | !istr |
| 22:01.22 | dpkg | i heard istr is I seem to recall/remember |
| 22:01.26 | stew | Bushmills: no, your definition of closed source would make all BSD licensed stuff (like, openssl, for instance) closed source (since the BSD license doesn't require you to make source available) |
| 22:01.38 | stew | or mit licensed... |
| 22:01.44 | tuv | abrotman, that's why I tried upgrading to sid, still no luck. not sure if there was a recent update, but i don't remember any! |
| 22:01.54 | abrotman | tuv: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:02.02 | abrotman | of course .. now you've gone to sid .. which skews that log |
| 22:02.11 | bpun | Bushmills, there's no standard of what entitles what a "closed*" thingie is all about.. you have to follow that license's manifesto-- look at MIT's and Apache.. they not the same thing.. |
| 22:02.17 | tuv | abrotman, too late. i tried a reinstall |
| 22:02.24 | Bushmills | stew: so that software can't link to GPL libs, without giving up the non-requirement to no provide source ... |
| 22:02.26 | abrotman | tuv: congratulations! :) |
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| 22:02.44 | stew | Bushmills: what? |
| 22:03.01 | Bushmills | stew: BSD licensed stuff |
| 22:03.06 | azeem | Bushmills: this channel is not for basic licensing questions, maybe ask in #gnu or so |
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| 22:03.15 | bpun | Bushmills, then follow that BSD license guidelines.. |
| 22:03.29 | tuv | abrotman, well it wasn't intentional. i lost the root partition while trying to install on another partition |
| 22:03.36 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | tuv: does the vesa driver work? |
| 22:03.46 | bpun | Bushmills, the bsd people know it better than us i'm sure.. |
| 22:03.55 | OlaX | Bushmills: why not read http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html ? |
| 22:04.07 | tuv | abrotman, i'm away from that machine now, so it'll be a while before i know |
| 22:04.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:04.25 | Bushmills | ok azeem, bpun, i don't thing the BSD license matters then, because the GPL license of the lib used by the BSD code puts new requirements on the license |
| 22:04.38 | azeem | Bushmills: 23:59 < azeem> Bushmills: this channel is not for basic licensing questions, maybe ask in #gnu or so |
| 22:05.03 | bpun | Bushmills, ahem.. i think you're asking non-bsd folks here.. cant parser |
| 22:05.44 | bpun | Bushmills, also the bsd folks who incorporate gpl-stuff have to adhere to the gpl license for whatever particular code they looking at |
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| 22:07.09 | |seb| | anyone know how to run the new xmms2 to get same old console? |
| 22:07.09 | adama | !wtfpl |
| 22:07.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wtfpl is http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/, DFSG-compliant, GPL-compatible, free, non-copyleft, simple software license. |
| 22:07.13 | adama | that's all I use |
| 22:07.27 | bpun | |seb|, huh, console? |
| 22:07.36 | bpun | |seb|, you mean skin? |
| 22:07.41 | |seb| | bpun: i can't just type xmms2 to get the app to start |
| 22:07.55 | |seb| | bpun: xmms2 is different..it wants "xmms2 some-command-here" |
| 22:08.24 | abrotman | audacious |
| 22:08.27 | bpun | |seb|, try "xmms2 -" |
| 22:08.42 | |seb| | bpun: do you need a frontend for it? |
| 22:08.50 | bpun | |seb|, i have no clue.. |
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| 22:09.22 | kellem | what is the real FR chan for debian os? |
| 22:09.30 | azeem | !fr |
| 22:09.30 | dpkg | fr is, like, Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:09.37 | bpun | |seb|, type xmms2<tab><tab> |
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| 22:11.03 | kellem | ok thx on debian-fr with freenode its very hard to be happy |
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| 22:11.43 | bpun | |seb|, http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Clients |
| 22:12.16 | adama | good old xmms 1.2.10 ...never lets me down |
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| 22:15.02 | |seb| | adama: yea...i liked it before |
| 22:15.11 | |seb| | adama: but newer ubuntu pulled that shiny new one |
| 22:15.50 | bpun | |seb|, gxmms2 worked? |
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| 22:19.26 | adama | |seb| if you like I can send you my .deb file for xmms v1, not sure if it'll work on ubuntu |
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| 22:19.43 | bpun | adama, i think |seb| left |
| 22:20.00 | adama | ops |
| 22:20.04 | adama | oh well |
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| 22:20.42 | HockeyInJune | When I connect to a Wireless Network with iwconfig, what is the right way to get an address from DHCP? |
| 22:21.00 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the same problem with xemacs21 is there. |
| 22:21.14 | amphi | HockeyInJune: dhclient <iface> |
| 22:21.19 | flixil | HockeyInJune: use a dhcp client like dhcpcd or dhclient wlan0 |
| 22:21.35 | HockeyInJune | excellent :D, thats what I have |
| 22:21.52 | HockeyInJune | Managed is the mode I want to be in? |
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| 22:22.03 | amphi | HockeyInJune: aye |
| 22:22.05 | flixil | Managed is the normal mode for a client interface |
| 22:22.28 | HockeyInJune | okay |
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| 22:23.02 | HockeyInJune | What I have now, sets the channel, essid, and ap, is all that necessary? |
| 22:23.24 | CuBe0wL | hi all! does anybody if there's another font renderer for GTK based apps beside pango? |
| 22:23.26 | HockeyInJune | Like, wouldn't it find the essid from th ap? |
| 22:23.42 | HockeyInJune | I mean the other way around |
| 22:25.17 | amphi | HockeyInJune: essid should be enough; it should find the channel itself |
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| 22:26.12 | HockeyInJune | Excellent |
| 22:27.07 | sladi | cu |
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| 22:28.01 | Nazcafan_ | Hi |
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| 22:29.00 | Nazcafan_ | I don't know what is going on with japanese fonts, but now all my kanas are hinted whereas my kanjis are not |
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| 22:29.28 | Nazcafan_ | is anyone using japanese fonts here? |
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| 22:30.39 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... this is from my lshw output " bus info: pci@0000:02:08.0" does that mean my BusId is "PCI:2:8:0" |
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| 22:43.05 | action09 | hi all i have an error message: "failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status'", i looked and there's no status nor status.old :( |
| 22:43.13 | action09 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:43.18 | simonrvn | check /var/backups |
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| 22:44.17 | action09 | simonrvn great :) |
| 22:44.34 | action09 | i replace, recreatte the dir '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial" missign also and it's OK :D |
| 22:44.39 | action09 | i dunno what happened |
| 22:45.17 | action09 | thx a lot :) |
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| 22:53.45 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:59.10 | azeem | hrm, how can I force-umount a NFS share I'm no longer connected to? |
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| 23:02.49 | Saar | how would i prevent apache from starting in debian? apache2 has a switch in /etc/default/apache2 |
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| 23:04.39 | abrotman | Saar: update-rc.d |
| 23:05.23 | Saar | abrotman: yeah i know about that, i guess that's the only way, thanks |
| 23:06.09 | g00se | Saar: apt-cache show sysv-rc-conf |
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| 23:13.24 | sladi | Hi! Why won't Gdm use Tahoma properly? I copied it to ~./.fonts. When I replace sans-serif in /etc/fonts/local.conf with Tahoma, it won't work. Verdana works though with the same method for example. |
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| 23:14.18 | psilocyb1n | how i make such, that sshd listens local addresses only, e.g. 10.0.0.1/24 ? |
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| 23:15.01 | epsilon | guess there is a option or conf, read the man - or use iptables |
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| 23:17.04 | psilocyb1n | i found it |
| 23:17.16 | psilocyb1n | /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow. |
| 23:17.40 | abrotman | or that |
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| 23:21.48 | ArthurArchnix | I'm thinking about following my old technique for disabling the touchpad while a mouse was plugged in... but I did those under Ubuntu. Can someone chime in if this technique is ill-advised under debian? Essentially, I plan on editing /etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules by adding this down at the bottom: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ID_CLASS="mouse", RUN+="/usr/bin/synclient touchpadoff=1" There's a second command th |
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| 23:22.24 | abrotman | got cut off |
| 23:23.03 | ArthurArchnix | I also recall that after standby, those rules didn't get re-read, so if you standby without a mouse, plug in then turn on the mouse, the udev rule won't catch that case. |
| 23:23.12 | pipeline | ArthurArchnix: that looks pretty sensible. |
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| 23:24.16 | ArthurArchnix | excuse me, plug in the mouse then resume from standby... just a corner case, not too important, and probably can't be gotten around except maybe by making pm-utils call this specific rule... now I'm just rambling. |
| 23:24.54 | pipeline | why not just add a script to re-read your rules on resume :P |
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| 23:25.36 | ArthurArchnix | Ok pipeline thanks for the feedback. OK.. :) I was just thinking outloud. I'll have to look into it. |
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| 23:29.01 | infinity1 | s |
| 23:30.45 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... that works fine. But I ran /etc/init.d/udev restart and even though my mouse was plugged in, my touchpad didn't turn off unti I removed it and plugged it back in. So I don't think udev is the way to handle it. I shold probably write a script that says "if mouse plugged in run touchpadoff" and "if mouse not plugged in" run touchpad on. Obviously I'm gonna have to refine the "code" a bit. ;) |
| 23:31.48 | HockeyInJune | Anything important in r3 from r2? |
| 23:32.56 | Dave2^2 | [Ignore this, sorry.] |
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| 23:43.35 | dihymo_ | flash audio out of sync on google video but not on youtube |
| 23:43.40 | dihymo_ | amd64 |
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| 23:43.54 | dihymo_ | what do i do? |
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| 23:46.57 | sinatra | do you know what package provides the mplayer codecs needed to play .rmvb files? |
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| 23:50.09 | HockeyInJune | What is the default Partition Table Type? |
| 23:51.12 | markybob | 83 |
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| 23:52.55 | HockeyInJune | Table Type, not Partition Type |
| 23:53.24 | HockeyInJune | Wikipedia says GPT |
| 23:53.28 | sladi | dihymo_: are you sure? I've got no problems using nspluginwrapper |
| 23:55.29 | blameless | HockeyInJune: on what type of hardware? |
| 23:55.43 | HockeyInJune | Laptop, IDE HDD |
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| 23:55.57 | HockeyInJune | I chose GPT, looks like its working.. |
| 23:55.58 | blameless | HockeyInJune: for most PCs, I imagine it is mbr. Apple machines use something different |
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| 23:56.22 | HockeyInJune | I dont remember if mbr was a choice |
| 23:56.24 | HockeyInJune | -_- |
| 23:56.55 | HockeyInJune | Nope, mbr not a choice |
| 23:57.29 | HockeyInJune | I think this has to do with the format of what goes in the mbr, rather than the mbr itself |
| 23:58.25 | blameless | what software are you using? |
| 23:58.27 | dihymo_ | GPT seems odd even though that whole primary extended thing is dumb |
| 23:58.36 | blameless | actually it doesn't matter. if it works, go for it |
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