| 00:03.43 | HockeyInJune | 2.6 or 2.6.18? |
| 00:03.45 | woodgrain | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only prompts for keyboard info ... no video stuff. any ideas? |
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| 00:04.09 | woodgrain | startx gives blank grey screen with TV SNOW. |
| 00:04.18 | dub | anyone running cacti on lenny? |
| 00:04.33 | woodgrain | new install of Lenny. |
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| 00:07.08 | abrotman | woodgrain: install a window manager |
| 00:07.49 | HockeyInJune | Am I to assume 2.6.18 is newer than 2.6? |
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| 00:09.05 | blameless | HockeyInJune: 2.6.18 is a version of 2.6 |
| 00:09.15 | HockeyInJune | Newer? |
| 00:09.24 | blameless | i assume you're talking about the kernel? |
| 00:09.25 | ninjaslim | is it possible to run a command on login, maybe by defining it in a configuration file or something |
| 00:09.30 | HockeyInJune | Lol yes |
| 00:09.58 | blameless | HockeyInJune: 2.6 will depend on the newest version of 2.6.x available. for etch, that is 2.6.18something |
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| 00:10.40 | HockeyInJune | It is giving me a choice of 2.6.18-5-686 or 2.6-686 |
| 00:11.08 | blameless | the latter should depend on the former |
| 00:11.49 | HockeyInJune | okay |
| 00:11.54 | HockeyInJune | What does the -5- mean? |
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| 00:13.21 | DigitalOktay | Hi |
| 00:13.39 | DigitalOktay | Wow what a great match between Swiss and Turkey. |
| 00:14.01 | HockeyInJune | I believe I have asked that question before, and I do not believe anyone has ever answered.. |
| 00:14.19 | tuvwx | abrotman: an older version of xserver-xorg-video-intel from snapshot.debian.net got rid of the freezing. but now there is no text in gnome. no characters at all. blank instead. zombie desktop! any suggestions? is suppose older versions of some packages should do the trick, but can't figure out which packages |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | pango maybe? |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | tuvwx: FWIW .. i have lenny with i810 .. works fine |
| 00:14.52 | abrotman | DigitalOktay: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:15.30 | azeem | HockeyInJune: it's the kernel module API |
| 00:15.33 | azeem | or something like that |
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| 00:15.48 | tuvwx | abrotman: when was the last time you restart X/rebooted? |
| 00:16.00 | woodgrain | abrotman, is fvwm any good? |
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| 00:16.15 | abrotman | tuvwx: today |
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| 00:16.17 | HockeyInJune | Thanx azeem |
| 00:16.22 | abrotman | woodgrain: it's okay .. depends what you want out of a WM |
| 00:16.22 | simonrvn | woodgrain: try it |
| 00:16.22 | tuvwx | abrotman: ?!!! |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 00:16.24 | dpkg | somebody said xwinman was probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | tuvwx: what? it's a laptop .. i don't suspend i shut down |
| 00:17.06 | tuvwx | abrotman: that's not what i meant. i suppose my newer hardware is the problem (G35) |
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| 00:17.28 | HockeyInJune | >< Fatal Error on grub-install |
| 00:17.31 | abrotman | tuvwx: right |
| 00:17.32 | woodgrain | simonrvn, 'trying' them all seems like a lot of work. Kinda confused by the hierarchy of a WinManager and a D.E. |
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| 00:17.38 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | is mine |
| 00:17.49 | tuvwx | abrotman: the problems started after i rebooted. so i guess the offending update took place some time in the last few days and took effect today after the reboot |
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| 00:17.58 | spikemcc | hi , does debian 3 dvd includes proprietary applications ? |
| 00:18.09 | simonrvn | it's not a lot of work. a lot of work is removing 4000 spambots from a web forum. |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | spikemcc: stuff from non-free/contrib is not on those DVDs |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | simonrvn: no wonder you've been quiet :) |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | erm :( |
| 00:18.35 | simonrvn | one of the reasons yes |
| 00:18.54 | tuvwx | abrotman: 82G35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) here |
| 00:18.56 | Nyle | howdy ho |
| 00:19.07 | spikemcc | abrotman does a distro includes important proprietary apps on an iso ? |
| 00:19.18 | simonrvn | define important |
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| 00:19.28 | abrotman | spikemcc: a distro ? |
| 00:19.28 | Wyzard | woodgrain: A window manager is the program that draws borders around your windows |
| 00:19.39 | Nyle | spikemcc, some do most don't |
| 00:19.45 | spikemcc | flash player , quicktime , realplayer ... |
| 00:19.46 | Wyzard | woodgrain: Some WMs also draw other things like toolbars on the desktop, but the WM has nothing to do with the applications *in* the windows |
| 00:19.52 | woodgrain | Wyzard, that's all? It just works inside of Gnome for instance? |
| 00:19.58 | Nyle | some paid linux comes with prop. apps for compatab. with other os |
| 00:20.18 | Wyzard | woodgrain: A window manager is part of a desktop environment, yes (GNOME's is called Metacity, and KDE's is KWin) |
| 00:20.18 | Nyle | i can't recall any distros atm, but I think google may help you, perhaps Xandros maybe? |
| 00:20.21 | simonrvn | spikemcc: no, no,no |
| 00:20.27 | woodgrain | Wyzard, how do I just change from one to another til I find something I like? |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | spikemcc: your system doesn't have internet ? |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | spikemcc: sounds like you want Ubuntu ... try #ubuntu |
| 00:20.45 | spikemcc | yes but my other don't |
| 00:20.45 | Wyzard | woodgrain: A desktop environment is a suite of programs and libraries for applications to use |
| 00:21.00 | woodgrain | Wyzard, so twm or fvwm won't really work with the GNOME? |
| 00:21.07 | Nyle | woodgrain, they will |
| 00:21.14 | simonrvn | yes they will |
| 00:21.18 | azeem | not very well though, probably |
| 00:21.20 | Wyzard | woodgrain: You can use other window managers, but they won't integrate as well with the rest of GNOME |
| 00:21.35 | Wyzard | woodgrain: A desktop environment is a suite of applications and libraries and infrastructure |
| 00:21.57 | woodgrain | rummaging through aptitude it looks like I have gnome installed. Just doesn't start w/ 'startx' |
| 00:22.14 | simonrvn | add gnome-session to startx |
| 00:22.22 | simonrvn | and don't background it |
| 00:22.23 | Wyzard | woodgrain: For example the GNOME "control center" (kinda like Windows Control Panel) has a tool for changing your theme, and that includes the Metacity theme (for window titlebars and borders), GTK theme (for applications themselves) and icon theme |
| 00:23.01 | spikemcc | abrotman I want a good distro to train with linux ubuntu is too easy |
| 00:23.18 | HockeyInJune | What is the KDE installation package that will give me everything I need? |
| 00:23.25 | Nyle | !tell spikemcc -about d-i |
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| 00:23.37 | Wyzard | A desktop environment typically provides a taskbar/menu for launching apps and keeping track of what's running, a file manager, control panels, terminal application, and various other tools |
| 00:23.49 | woodgrain | simonrvn, what's 'background it' mean? |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | spikemcc: okay .. then get internet working on your other box .. how's that for starters? :) |
| 00:23.55 | tuvwx | abrotman: it doesn't appear to be pango. other guesses? |
| 00:24.02 | Nyle | woodgrain, send the process to the background |
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| 00:24.03 | freeloaf | is http://pkg-eclipse.alioth.debian.org/ still active? |
| 00:24.07 | simonrvn | !tell woodgrain about grounding |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | tuvwx: fonts suck? :) |
| 00:24.27 | freeloaf | it looks like pkg-eclipse has collapsed, who is in charge of packaging eclipse? |
| 00:24.34 | abrotman | tuvwx: check your dpkg.log .. that's all i can say |
| 00:24.37 | simonrvn | when you do some_command & on command line, you're telling that shell to run it in the background. |
| 00:24.44 | spikemcc | i can't no rj45 on it |
| 00:24.49 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:25.39 | woodgrain | thanks everyone. I've been reading. Just kinda slow to soak it all up. |
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| 00:25.54 | simonrvn | just take your time. it will eventually. |
| 00:26.05 | simonrvn | soak in ;) |
| 00:26.08 | abrotman | tuvwx: you know .. my -intel hasn't been updated since may |
| 00:26.12 | spikemcc | i need a small distro for a mini laptop 366 mhz 128 mo ram 6 Go HD |
| 00:26.38 | spikemcc | and a decent one for my new laptop |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | tuvwx: but i did get a bunch of new gnome packages recently |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | tuvwx: how did you install xorg/gnome ? |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | spikemcc: old laptop has no pcmcia slots ? |
| 00:27.10 | markybob | small? so why the hell were you asking about realplayer, flash, etc? |
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| 00:27.19 | abrotman | markybob: to go with KDE :) |
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| 00:27.37 | ninjaslim | is there a way to show a list of all installed packages |
| 00:27.55 | spikemcc | yes but I don't wanna pay for udgrades |
| 00:28.05 | markybob | ninjaslim, dpkg -l |grep ^i |
| 00:28.08 | simonrvn | restarts x session... |
| 00:28.10 | Tramp | !installed |
| 00:28.10 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 00:28.13 | simonrvn | pay? |
| 00:28.22 | markybob | you make zero sense |
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| 00:28.33 | simonrvn | wot? |
| 00:28.44 | spikemcc | upgrades I mean a rj45 pcmia card |
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| 00:28.55 | spikemcc | pcimcia sorry |
| 00:29.23 | simonrvn | oh, ok. |
| 00:29.51 | simonrvn | aren't they pretty cheap nowadays, even decent ones? |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | yes .. like $20 |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | less if you're canadian! |
| 00:30.21 | spikemcc | 20$ here it's 50$ brand new |
| 00:30.47 | spikemcc | I'm canadian and I seek for one at 20$ anytime |
| 00:30.49 | Nyle | KDE 3.5.9 is by far superior in performance to gnome on my system, yeh.. I got the gnome debian cd lately for someone... it maybe perception of speed on my part, but I tried both on the same system one after the other for a while well.. don't diss kde. :) |
| 00:31.16 | enouf | bloat |
| 00:31.24 | Nyle | enouf, you're bloated. |
| 00:31.25 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:31.33 | spikemcc | ebay ? |
| 00:31.36 | enouf | one word says it all :-P |
| 00:31.55 | Nyle | ye ye ye :) |
| 00:32.36 | spikemcc | all pcimcia rj45 works ? |
| 00:32.53 | enouf | anyone else get PM spam from IODOleRipTom is n=WiFiGues@c-68-36-102-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (www) ?? |
| 00:33.02 | enouf | no channels listed |
| 00:33.10 | abrotman | spikemcc: seriously? |
| 00:33.45 | spikemcc | It's not what you mean to me about my old mini laptop ? |
| 00:33.57 | HockeyInJune | What is the KDE installation package that will give me everything I need? |
| 00:33.58 | Nyle | spikemcc, get damn small linux and call it a day |
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| 00:34.03 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 00:34.04 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 00:34.13 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, kde rocks man :) |
| 00:34.15 | HockeyInJune | Thanks |
| 00:34.17 | Nyle | sure |
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| 00:34.23 | HockeyInJune | Oh yeah, much better than GNOME :D |
| 00:34.36 | Nyle | MY MAN! *high five* |
| 00:34.44 | spikemcc | i got it running on it but i want a good desktop ... |
| 00:34.45 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it possible to install compiz on debian lenny without problem? |
| 00:35.02 | abrotman | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8339274&type=product&id=1177112313331 |
| 00:35.11 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, probabl |
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| 00:35.15 | abrotman | 25$ .. only one .. find it hard to believe that in .ca they are $50 |
| 00:35.34 | simonrvn | something about kde that causes me some sort of low-level, constant irritation. dunno why. |
| 00:35.45 | spikemcc | bestbuy is like 400 km of me |
| 00:36.01 | simonrvn | spikemcc: where you at? |
| 00:36.06 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, field hockey or canadian hockey? |
| 00:36.12 | Nyle | or american w/e |
| 00:36.16 | HockeyInJune | American :D |
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| 00:36.23 | simonrvn | ice hockey you mean |
| 00:36.25 | Nyle | ahh, what with the skates n all yeah |
| 00:36.27 | HockeyInJune | Yeah |
| 00:36.27 | spikemcc | chicoutimi quebec canada exactly |
| 00:36.31 | Nyle | simonrvn, oh ice hockey right |
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| 00:36.42 | simonrvn | ooh, i know where that is... yeh, figures ;) |
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| 00:37.06 | simonrvn | closest one is probably quebec city... |
| 00:37.13 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, my country's national sport is Field Hockey |
| 00:37.15 | spikemcc | yes |
| 00:37.26 | spikemcc | one of them |
| 00:37.30 | HockeyInJune | Which country? |
| 00:37.33 | simonrvn | they're rip-offs anyway, no big loss |
| 00:37.33 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, and we're pretty alright at it |
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| 00:37.39 | Nyle | !pk |
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| 00:37.48 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 00:37.49 | Nyle | ooooh what! pk is not in dpkg! |
| 00:38.02 | simonrvn | add it ;) |
| 00:38.02 | Nyle | dpkg pk is .pk for Pakistan |
| 00:38.02 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 00:38.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:38.22 | Nyle | thanks you much mr. raven |
| 00:38.31 | simonrvn | np |
| 00:38.44 | HockeyInJune | Nice |
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| 00:38.57 | HockeyInJune | WTF >_< Another GRUB FATAL ERROR |
| 00:38.58 | spikemcc | Nyle Pakistan is non-sense shut up |
| 00:39.10 | Nyle | ok :( |
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| 00:39.15 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 00:39.26 | Nyle | simonrvn, what do i give a shit, some random dude online... |
| 00:39.29 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:40.18 | amphi | carpet-pissers... |
| 00:40.39 | Nyle | amphi, you think the carpet pissers did this? |
| 00:41.20 | HockeyInJune | Fuck, no help on the forums |
| 00:41.27 | Nyle | which grub error? |
| 00:41.51 | Nyle | grub says 'fatal error' ? |
| 00:41.54 | HockeyInJune | It just says, Executing grub-install (hd0) failed |
| 00:42.00 | HockeyInJune | This is a fatal error |
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| 00:42.28 | Nyle | ok how are you running the command? |
| 00:42.33 | HockeyInJune | I had a problem installing grub recently, I thought nothing of it and decided to reinstall |
| 00:42.41 | HockeyInJune | This is on the Debian Installation |
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| 00:43.11 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, I have stuck pixels cuz fglrx tried to configure my monitor in a fucked up way and now I wanna sue ATI |
| 00:43.27 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 00:43.28 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, I got rid of a few by rubbing, tapping and some by jscreenfix.com applet |
| 00:43.31 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:43.51 | HockeyInJune | I still have no Operating System >_< |
| 00:44.27 | HockeyInJune | oh whoa |
| 00:44.34 | HockeyInJune | my integrity check failed |
| 00:44.43 | HockeyInJune | That should explain it, I hope |
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| 00:45.05 | HockeyInJune | Great, I need this fucking shit installed by tomorrow _-_ |
| 00:45.35 | HockeyInJune | Damn, now i have nothing to burn with |
| 00:45.39 | HockeyInJune | This is great.. |
| 00:45.54 | HockeyInJune | meh, meh, meh what to do.. |
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| 00:48.05 | HockeyInJune | And, of course, when I try to download the iso my internet has to be shit-slow |
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| 00:48.51 | sladi | cu |
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| 00:49.03 | bpun | HockeyInJune, can use iso torrent |
| 00:49.20 | HockeyInJune | For the net install image? |
| 00:49.43 | bpun | HockeyInJune, dunno check torrent sites.. torrent isn't always illegit |
| 00:50.02 | HockeyInJune | XD |
| 00:50.23 | bpun | HockeyInJune, http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 00:50.39 | HockeyInJune | Yep, thanks |
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| 00:52.08 | HockeyInJune | Yes! Thanks |
| 00:52.17 | spikemcc | which distro for a brand new laptop 64 bits or 32 bits ? |
| 00:52.51 | nevyn | does it have more than 4gb of memory? |
| 00:52.51 | HockeyInJune | What processor do you have? |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | spikemcc: you're in #debian .. what answer do you think you will get ? |
| 00:52.58 | spikemcc | 2 go ddr 2 |
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| 00:53.29 | spikemcc | amd64x2 1,7 so 3,4 Ghz at all |
| 00:54.26 | spikemcc | and an ati xpress 1150 256 mo integrated |
| 00:54.26 | HockeyInJune | 64-bit |
| 00:54.27 | HockeyInJune | You see, amd64 |
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| 00:54.37 | spikemcc | does 64 bits has downsides ? |
| 00:54.42 | Gnurdux | well, some stuff actually runs faster on the 32-bit, and it can be easier for certain things |
| 00:54.55 | nevyn | flash, proprietary video codecs |
| 00:54.59 | nevyn | they're the biggies |
| 00:55.21 | pipeline | spikemcc: 32 bit distribution, install a 64 bit kernel :) |
| 00:55.26 | Gnurdux | you CAN run flash if you use a 32 bit browser |
| 00:55.46 | markybob | you can run it in a 64-bit browser, too. |
| 00:55.49 | nevyn | Gnurdux: show me the package for the 32bit browser in the amd64 debian repo |
| 00:56.00 | Gnurdux | i dunno if there is one |
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| 00:56.05 | Gnurdux | i dont have a 64 bit processor |
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| 00:56.17 | Gnurdux | i know there are ways of doing it |
| 00:56.18 | nevyn | points at Gnurdux' |
| 00:56.24 | Gnurdux | i think there are 3rd-party packages |
| 00:56.34 | markybob | there isnt. nor does it matter, since nspluginwrapper is in debian and can install flashplugin-nonfree which is in 64-bit |
| 00:56.49 | nevyn | nspluginwrapper Sigh |
| 00:56.51 | nevyn | seriously |
| 00:56.59 | dniel | can I install into a new partition other debian and share the swap partition? |
| 00:57.01 | markybob | and gnash. yes, sure. |
| 00:57.12 | bpun | dniel, y |
| 00:57.13 | nevyn | for desktop use for a notebook the problems with 64bit greatly exceed the benifits. |
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| 00:57.29 | nevyn | unless you have 4+gb ram |
| 00:57.55 | bpun | dniel, but its not really called sharing.. i hope you're not using virtual vmware or virtualbox on that same swap space.. |
| 00:57.58 | irwan_aja | heloo |
| 00:58.25 | spikemcc | i will upgrade maybe this autumn to 4 go ddr2 |
| 00:58.54 | dniel | bpun: yes.... you are right! It isn't called sharing |
| 00:59.20 | spikemcc | nevyn thanks for explication |
| 00:59.28 | dniel | bpun: no... I am not running a virtual machine |
| 01:00.08 | spikemcc | swap must me how much for 2 go ddr2 ? |
| 01:00.33 | dniel | bpun: Is it not necesary to make another swap partition? |
| 01:00.39 | Gnurdux | nevyn, i think 64-bit ubuntu does have a 32-bit firefox |
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| 01:00.49 | Gnurdux | although its not debian |
| 01:00.52 | bpun | dniel, swapspace is new on every boot |
| 01:00.54 | Gnurdux | and im not sure if its official |
| 01:01.20 | dniel | bpun: ahh ok! I understood! |
| 01:01.27 | dniel | bpun: sorry for my english!.... I'm lerning english! |
| 01:01.30 | Agiofws | you see those 2 red lines in that image www.imagebin.org/19867 ? ok they repeat stuff from ground workstations to 10.7 thats hard wired ... TO the central switch ok ? tried to replace the repeaters ... with simple AP's and hard wire them all to a second switch and from that 2ndary switch to the MAIN central switch... but what ever i did nothing would talk to each other ... i substituted the 2ndary switch with an old modem route |
| 01:01.30 | Agiofws | r 10 base even and everything was ok can someone explain this to me |
| 01:01.40 | dniel | bpun: thank a lot! :) |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | Agiofws: #networking |
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| 01:02.28 | Agiofws | been there did that |
| 01:02.31 | spikemcc | how much linux-swap on my laptop with 2 go ddr 2 ??? |
| 01:02.45 | dniel | bpun: I'll do test with vserver |
| 01:02.46 | bpun | spikemcc, make swap space 2 times size of ram |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | Agiofws: that's nice .. it has what to do with Debian ? |
| 01:03.06 | spikemcc | yikes 4 go |
| 01:03.18 | davide__ | hi , is there a eclipse related bug , because half of the time I save it crashes ,I'm on testing and with java sun ..all updated |
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| 01:03.29 | bpun | spikemcc, please speak in a language you're comfortable with.. you're making little sense |
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| 01:03.52 | __ryan__ | ]=\ |
| 01:03.53 | azeem | spikemcc: it's gb not go |
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| 01:04.12 | spikemcc | sorry I'm french |
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| 01:04.17 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:04.17 | dpkg | i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 01:05.01 | newzen | hi, i want to install Debian on a IBM Risc 6000 p510 is posible?? what iso i have to use?? if posible i want to do a software raid |
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| 01:06.40 | bpun | newzen, i believe you need debian's ppc version as it seems like ppc is the archittecture from http://www.unixguide.net/ibm/faq/faq1.915.shtml |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:07.15 | dpkg | well, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:08.02 | spikemcc | linux-swap recommanded size for 2 go ddr2 , / recommanded size and /home recommanded size please !!! |
| 01:08.14 | azeem | spikemcc: it's gb, not go |
| 01:08.19 | azeem | I told you before |
| 01:08.24 | spikemcc | sorry |
| 01:08.26 | spikemcc | gb |
| 01:08.36 | __ryan__ | isn't the general rule twice your ram? |
| 01:08.43 | dondelelcaro | spikemcc: depends on what you're doing; if you don't know, use the automatic partitioner |
| 01:08.44 | phogg | __ryan__: please no |
| 01:08.50 | bpun | spikemcc, 2 times 2 = 4 gigs |
| 01:09.04 | vinc456` | 'ls' seems to lag and occasionally even hangs when i run it in a particular directory. Any ideas as to why this might be? It was ok until a few days ago when I accidentally created a million files inside(they're gone now) |
| 01:09.09 | bpun | spikemcc, and its 2 gb not "2 go" |
| 01:09.09 | azeem | bpun: I don't think that calculation is true these days |
| 01:09.25 | bpun | azeem, i dont know.. i still use it.. |
| 01:09.41 | bpun | azeem, how do you calc the size? |
| 01:09.49 | phogg | __ryan__: twice your ram was when ram was scarce. Use twice your ram up to 512M, after that do not exceed your ram. At 2G of RAM do half. That is what I recommend. |
| 01:09.56 | __ryan__ | ah |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | bpun: it's system-usage dependent |
| 01:10.16 | Nyle | !swap |
| 01:10.16 | dpkg | somebody said swap was RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 01:10.39 | phogg | personally I have swap-free and have been for a while now. It only slows me down. |
| 01:10.59 | Nyle | phogg, I've monitored swap usage over a month and hardly any |
| 01:11.07 | Nyle | phogg, 4gb of ram an amd74 |
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| 01:11.18 | Nyle | so i don't use swap |
| 01:11.19 | bpun | well doesnt hurt to spare less than 1 percent of disk space nways.. and who knows how many apps this user will user.. |
| 01:11.20 | Nyle | :D |
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| 01:13.23 | phogg | If you do have swap the key is to set swappiness so it doesn't get used unless absolutely necessary |
| 01:13.37 | Nyle | rahul swaps a lot |
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| 01:14.13 | Nyle | 256 mb and he runs like a buncha stuff, and has a widget to monitor swap in real time |
| 01:14.23 | Nyle | what a tool eh rahul ;0 |
| 01:14.28 | Nyle | j/k |
| 01:15.15 | Nyle | well, I got rid of the stuck pixels that fglrx put me through |
| 01:15.30 | bpun | phogg, half of ram for swap? i guess it all depends on what the user is doing.. |
| 01:15.37 | phogg | Nyle: picked up your monitor and shook it? I hear that works. |
| 01:16.19 | Nyle | I am never using this driver again. I am done with ati. It tried to give me 1920x1080 while the max I could support really natively was 1680x1050 and xrandr would not show anything except that res |
| 01:16.19 | phogg | bpun: as usual ymmv and you must examine your workload and act accordingly, but for people who want to know I say half for larger amounts of ram. |
| 01:16.36 | Nyle | so I kill X and go to console and massively stuck pixels |
| 01:16.50 | Nyle | it took a while for me to get my lcd back :( |
| 01:17.07 | phogg | Nyle: proprietary crap is crap. Surprised? |
| 01:17.14 | Nyle | phogg, I used a few apps taht burn the screen in rapidly turning pixels on and off |
| 01:17.15 | bpun | phogg, well then update that factoid if you really are sure about it |
| 01:17.26 | Nyle | phogg, some I had to tap, some i had to rub, and yes i shook the damn thing |
| 01:17.45 | phogg | bpun: I am not sure, it's just a rule of thumb. Seems to work. What am I, an expert? |
| 01:18.11 | Nyle | phogg, :) |
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| 01:18.28 | Nyle | I dunno nothin man, I dunno what a 'puter is neither |
| 01:18.43 | blameless | you should play more mini-golf |
| 01:18.51 | phogg | I just click on any button that pops up, so it pays the bills. |
| 01:18.59 | phogg | s/so/so far/ |
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| 01:19.50 | Nyle | blameless, not putter, 'puter |
| 01:19.55 | Nyle | see the apostrophe |
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| 01:20.05 | blameless | i know. kill the joke. carry on |
| 01:20.10 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:20.17 | Nyle | aww my bad |
| 01:20.36 | strav | He. I'm having some troubles with the switch from /proc/acpi to /sys/acpi. On my compaq evo, with kernel 2.6.24 and above, it seems I can't get any battery info. Now, as I updated of the acpi packages, on kernel 2.6.23, I cannot resume from suspend. Now if anyone can shed some light on this... Firstly, if proc/acpi is now /sys/acpi, why should I care, secondly: why can't I resume from suspend with the new update, is it related to the /proc/ -> /s |
| 01:20.36 | strav | ys/ change? |
| 01:20.52 | poseidon | Whats a good screen recorder for kde? |
| 01:21.02 | Nyle | krecorddesktop |
| 01:21.03 | kanzure | poseidon: I've been using recordmydesktop. |
| 01:21.06 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
| 01:21.25 | kanzure | There's a KDE frontend, but I'd just use the shell. |
| 01:21.27 | Nyle | it is a front end i think to some thing like record my desktop |
| 01:21.34 | Nyle | kanzure, yes |
| 01:21.36 | Nyle | fe |
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| 01:21.50 | Nyle | kanzure, he did ask... for kde. |
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| 01:21.56 | kanzure | Nyle: This is true. :) |
| 01:22.02 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:22.15 | stew | there must be something more core to kde because the kde people are getting worried about libinstrudeo getting removed |
| 01:22.26 | kanzure | Hm? |
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| 01:22.40 | Nyle | ohh |
| 01:22.41 | poseidon | kanzure, is recordmydesktop command line? |
| 01:22.52 | Nyle | poseidon, ayup |
| 01:22.54 | stew | poseidon: yes, and krecordmydesktop is a kde frontend to it |
| 01:22.56 | kanzure | poseidon: Mostly. There's a way to use with the KDE interface, but I haven't figured it out. It looked buggy. But I am wrong. |
| 01:23.42 | stew | kanzure: it seemed to work fine after i NMUd it :) |
| 01:23.48 | kanzure | stew: Buh? |
| 01:23.51 | kanzure | NMUd? |
| 01:23.52 | poseidon | thanks |
| 01:24.00 | stew | kanzure: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:24.12 | Nyle | dumb backwards? |
| 01:24.13 | kanzure | stew: I'm supposedly on unstable. |
| 01:24.19 | Nyle | nm |
| 01:24.21 | Nyle | im on crack |
| 01:24.43 | scotchl | Hi. how can i enable remote desktop from an ssh session? |
| 01:24.43 | Nyle | kanzure, supposedly? |
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| 01:25.11 | bpun | scotchl, use port forwarding and call rdesktop to forwarding port |
| 01:25.17 | Nyle | scotchl, /msg dpkg sshx or you can tunnel vnc through it |
| 01:25.31 | stew | kanzure: yeah, i just fixed all the known bugs in krecordmydesktop in debian unstable recently: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/krecordmydesktop/news/20080602T033203Z.html |
| 01:25.31 | Nyle | for a full session |
| 01:25.31 | bpun | scotchl, but the ssh server has to allow port forwarding for the client's station |
| 01:25.33 | kanzure | Nyle: Well. I can never be quite sure, despite the lines in the apt.sources file. |
| 01:25.43 | Nyle | kanzure, heh same here |
| 01:25.45 | kanzure | stew: How recently? I installed it a few day sago. |
| 01:26.00 | stew | kanzure: # Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:32:03 +0000 |
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| 01:26.05 | kanzure | Hrm. |
| 01:26.32 | kanzure | I'm not saying it's "buggy" per se, just lacking all of the options and functionality. But I'm not making any official claims since I'm not willing to investigate and poke around. |
| 01:26.43 | kanzure | I might do that eventually. |
| 01:26.45 | bpun | scotchl, port forwarding via ssh.. you dont need to install anything other than rdesktop if it isnt installed.. |
| 01:26.56 | kanzure | I was using it to record a talk session on how to use git for the open source do-it-yourself biotech kit. |
| 01:27.01 | NinjaMan | should hostname include my domain suffix? |
| 01:27.01 | bpun | dam should i be helping him? lol |
| 01:27.07 | Nyle | well I've still got the hacking on xfce, even if kde goes caput, I can get the similar desktop functionality through a hack, and maybe this time I'll make a contribution to xfce |
| 01:27.23 | Nyle | the desktop popup menus configuration, like kde |
| 01:27.44 | kanzure | figures he should submit his KDE bug patches soon. http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html |
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| 01:27.54 | Nyle | I mod the source, get it to work, and then reinstalled the system, didn't even diff it |
| 01:28.15 | Nyle | that was 'taded but ok, np i can do it, and I catually have been thinking about getting away from kde for a while |
| 01:28.24 | kanzure | Right. :) |
| 01:28.25 | Nyle | I recently downloaded the debian gnome iso and gave it a go |
| 01:28.41 | Nyle | I stil hate gnome though |
| 01:29.15 | Nyle | xfce maybe not b bad, but recently it was brought to my attention that enlightenment is now e17 so I might igive a go since that used to be my favorite desktop on RH 6.2 for years |
| 01:29.15 | NinjaMan | so in other words, when I issue a hostname command should it return "bitchslap" (pc hostname) or bitchslap.yomamma.net (where yomamma.net is the domain) ? |
| 01:29.30 | poseidon | Nyle, I agree. I can't stand gnome. |
| 01:29.44 | Nyle | though I hear 17e is conpletely/drastically changed |
| 01:29.57 | bpun | NinjaMan, hostname commands? you mean resolve just dns? |
| 01:30.09 | stew | NinjaMan: depends on if you run "hostname" or "hostname --fqdn" |
| 01:30.27 | NinjaMan | bpun: not sure what you mean there |
| 01:30.31 | bpun | NinjaMan, true.. domain names always end in period.. |
| 01:30.53 | NinjaMan | stew: if I just run hostname, what should it return in a correctly configured system? |
| 01:31.11 | NinjaMan | bpun: end in period or start with a period? |
| 01:31.27 | bpun | NinjaMan, if you're setting up dns you're supposed to know what fqdn means.. |
| 01:31.33 | stew | NinjaMan: "bitchslap" |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | hostname -f ? |
| 01:32.13 | NinjaMan | bpun, yes I know what fqdn is and my dns server resolves it correctly |
| 01:32.42 | NinjaMan | bpun, but I am presuming that the hostname command does not resolve through dns server, but through a flat file configuration |
| 01:32.50 | NinjaMan | stew: thanks |
| 01:32.55 | PhrkOnLsh | What should my fqdn be? Should it be my IP address, or my blablabla.com address? |
| 01:32.58 | stew | NinjaMan: right |
| 01:33.32 | bpun | NinjaMan, dude.. the manpage should say how it resolves it.. |
| 01:34.02 | stew | bpun: what is it and it? |
| 01:34.11 | stew | bpun: and which manpage? |
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| 01:34.31 | bpun | huh? |
| 01:35.19 | NinjaMan | bpun: if you are talking about the hostname manpage it talks about a function called gethostname - and how that works is not immediately obvious to me |
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| 01:35.31 | NinjaMan | bpun and functions don't tend to have manpages |
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| 01:35.40 | stew | NinjaMan: they do, actually |
| 01:35.46 | stew | NinjaMan: libc functions at least |
| 01:36.04 | \amethyst | however, they're in manpages-dev |
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| 01:36.11 | NinjaMan | stew: I stand corrected - it is just that man gethostname, doesn;t return anythign |
| 01:36.24 | pitseleh | which kernel does debian etch currently use? |
| 01:36.31 | NinjaMan | amethyst - aah I don't have that package installed - so maybe that's it |
| 01:36.41 | poseidon | uname -r |
| 01:36.48 | pitseleh | i'm not running etch |
| 01:36.55 | pitseleh | i need a kernel below 2.6.24 |
| 01:37.28 | stew | pitseleh: etch currently has 2.6.18-6 |
| 01:38.07 | pitseleh | stew, :| my god.. etch is 4.0 i.e. the stable branch right? |
| 01:38.13 | stew | pitseleh: yes |
| 01:38.16 | poseidon | yes |
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| 01:39.59 | NinjaMan | PhrkOnLsh: it should be <mypc>.<mydomain> not ip address |
| 01:40.09 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
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| 01:40.32 | PhrkOnLsh | so, like wanton.dyndns.org would be mine... how can I change it? hostname --fqdn reports localhost |
| 01:41.07 | strav | yea |
| 01:41.44 | NinjaMan | PhrkOnLsh: I'm not familiar with dynamic DNS and how to configure your system appropriately |
| 01:42.00 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, thanks then :) |
| 01:42.04 | PhrkOnLsh | dinner time. |
| 01:42.12 | NinjaMan | PhrkOnLsh: but I would assume as long as wanton.dyndns.org is unique to your ip |
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| 01:42.58 | NinjaMan | PhrkOnLsh: and the machine in question is the only one connected to the internet via that address / domain - i.e. you are not behind a nat firewall |
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| 01:44.03 | NinjaMan | PhrkOnLsh: then you could probably set the relevant details in the /etc/hosts & /etc/hostname file |
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| 01:47.16 | bpun | NinjaMan, ? dyndns stands for dynamic dns, i see how it cant be unique to his ip address |
| 01:48.22 | NinjaMan | bpun: I believe it is unique for a given period of time, but must be re-newed |
| 01:48.36 | bpun | PhrkOnLsh, dyndns.org can determine if they can provide this form of dns records.. |
| 01:48.46 | bpun | NinjaMan, that depends on the provider |
| 01:49.13 | NinjaMan | bpun: otherwise, you couldn't guarantee the domain resolved to his ip address, which would render it pretty useless |
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| 01:50.15 | tuv | abrotman, get this fix: vga=791 boot parameter, and the previous version of xserver-xorg-video-intel. does that make sense to you? it some how does solve the problem! |
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| 01:50.41 | abrotman | tuv: no .. not in the slightest |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | tuv: since one is a kernel mode thing .. and the other an X driver |
| 01:51.07 | NinjaMan | abrotman, what is the issue? |
| 01:51.31 | tuv | abrotman, the kernel parameter with the latest intel driver is broken, and the older driver without the kernel option is broken too! |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | NinjaMan: with you ? |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | tuv: can i point and laugh at you? |
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| 01:52.19 | NinjaMan | abrotman: LOL - no that you are having with xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 01:52.39 | Sling | that wasnt his problem |
| 01:52.39 | abrotman | NinjaMan: i'm not .. i'm perfectly fine |
| 01:52.41 | NinjaMan | abortman: and/or the kernel intel video driver |
| 01:52.48 | abrotman | NinjaMan: work on your own problem ? |
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| 01:53.16 | Sling | aww orphaned inodes |
| 01:53.16 | tuv | abrotman, sure, if you can find something funny |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | tuv: the fix isn't good enough? |
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| 01:53.34 | WilDec | When building in $HOME, how do I know when to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH versus LDFLAGS ? |
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| 01:53.44 | tuv | abrotman, at least i can use the machine. i lost a day already |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | tuv: use vesa! :) |
| 01:54.07 | NinjaMan | abrotman - only seeing if I could help as I have this video chipset. that is afterall the purpose of this channel |
| 01:54.28 | tuv | abrotman, yeah.. about that. vesa ended up unusable.. unsupported mode thingy shown by the monitor |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | NinjaMan: i have a simliar chipset to tuv and the same version of debian .. but not even close to the same issue |
| 01:54.46 | tuv | abrotman, besides, this funny fix produces better results that vesa |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | i suppose |
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| 01:55.28 | NinjaMan | abrotman: fair enough, but my question was about what is the issue (since I missed the earlier parts of the conversation) |
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| 01:55.49 | abrotman | NinjaMan: a recent update hosed his X |
| 01:56.11 | tuv | NinjaMan, the latest intel driver freezes the machine upon X startup, and an older version of the driver causes gnome not be able to show any text/icons/graphics.. just windows and empty menus |
| 01:57.05 | tuv | NinjaMan, best fix so far: previous intel driver (from snapshot.debian.net) and vga=791 kernel parameter |
| 01:57.23 | tuv | supposedly the kenrel parameter has to do with enabling framebuffer |
| 01:57.25 | NinjaMan | tuv. which intel video chipset? |
| 01:57.31 | tuv | g35 |
| 01:58.06 | NinjaMan | tuv: are using a framebuffer console? |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | mine was more succinct |
| 01:58.38 | tuv | NinjaMan, actually i'm not sure what framebuffers are |
| 01:59.00 | tuv | my understanding is that the vga=791 option enables the framebuffer |
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| 01:59.26 | scotchl | Can someone help me setup a vnc server? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | again? |
| 01:59.35 | NinjaMan | tuv: no it selects a mode, that I believe is usable in a framebuffer and non-framebuffer console |
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| 02:00.03 | Sling | hm |
| 02:00.07 | NinjaMan | tuv: your kernel options will determine whether or not you are using a framebuffer console |
| 02:00.22 | NinjaMan | tuv: is this a stock kernel or a custom compile? |
| 02:00.24 | Sling | where can i configure what eth interfaces are brought up at boot? |
| 02:00.32 | tuv | NinjaMan, i'm using the default setup besides this vga option, so i guess i'm not using a framebuffer if that's the default |
| 02:00.49 | tuv | Sling, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:00.53 | tuv | Sling, man interfaces |
| 02:01.29 | tuv | NinjaMan, stock kernel |
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| 02:02.04 | NinjaMan | tuv: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_FB |
| 02:02.10 | Sling | thnx tuv |
| 02:02.21 | NinjaMan | tuv: and see if any of the options are set |
| 02:02.36 | tuv | Sling, no problem |
| 02:03.02 | nvz | boggles |
| 02:03.31 | NinjaMan | scotchl: are you using gnome? |
| 02:04.01 | bpun | scotchl, vncserver has to be listening past localhost or 127.0.0.1 to listen on the network |
| 02:04.23 | tuv | NinjaMan, CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=y |
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| 02:04.47 | tuv | NinjaMan, CONFIG_FB_INTEL=m |
| 02:05.05 | scotchl | vnc is listening at |
| 02:05.06 | scotchl | 5901 |
| 02:05.10 | NinjaMan | ok and does lsmod confirm that module is loaded? |
| 02:05.19 | scotchl | i get connection reset by peer :/ |
| 02:05.41 | NinjaMan | scotchl: do you have a firewall running? |
| 02:05.58 | nvz | I can't seem to get these two computers to talk to each other for nothing for some reason |
| 02:06.34 | bpun | scotchl, check the server's listening ports with netstat.. if you want vnc on the lan then it needs to be listening on the lan and not just 127.0.0.1.. you do know what 127.0.0.1 is right? |
| 02:06.46 | nvz | I tried both nics eth2 and eth3, and set them up manually, the debian box as 162.168.0.2 and the windows box as 192.168.0.3.. but they won't respond to pings o.O |
| 02:07.24 | tuv | NinjaMan, intelfb is not loaded |
| 02:07.57 | tuv | NinjaMan, why would i want or want not to use a framebuffer |
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| 02:08.05 | bpun | tuv, dont need to |
| 02:08.28 | NinjaMan | tuv: ok - you don't need to unless you are using a non i386 machine |
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| 02:08.31 | scotchl | netstat -a shows its listening |
| 02:08.50 | scotchl | oh and i want vnc outside of just my lan |
| 02:08.50 | bpun | scotchl, and 127.0.0.1 <<-- you know what this # means? |
| 02:08.59 | NinjaMan | tuv: in which case you would have no console without it |
| 02:09.04 | scotchl | localhost |
| 02:09.18 | bpun | scotchl, what is vncserver listening on? |
| 02:09.24 | scotchl | 5901 |
| 02:09.33 | scotchl | on my remote box |
| 02:09.34 | bpun | scotchl, that's the port#, what is its ip#? |
| 02:10.24 | NinjaMan | tuv: in theory it is suppose to provide "direct access" to graphics hardware and hence faster (for an accelerated driver) and more widely compatible video performance |
| 02:10.48 | NinjaMan | tuv: can you pastebin your xorg.conf file |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | tuv: i can tell you that fb messes up the mac on the tv |
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| 02:12.10 | NinjaMan | nvz: are the machines connceted via a hub/switch? |
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| 02:13.02 | bpun | scotchl, sure sure |
| 02:13.16 | nvz | NinjaMan: they are hooked into ports on my router now, I had them hooked via crossover.. but it wasn't working so I decided to try something different |
| 02:13.19 | scotchl | ? |
| 02:13.34 | nvz | NinjaMan: the routing/dhcp and shit is all disabled on the router so its basically just a hub/switch |
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| 02:14.15 | NinjaMan | nvz: are the port lights on? |
| 02:14.51 | bpun | scotchl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software |
| 02:15.02 | scotchl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software |
| 02:15.05 | scotchl | sorry |
| 02:15.10 | bpun | scotchl, the thing with i think it was nomachine is that i can get the login gui screen |
| 02:15.53 | bpun | scotchl, but i think Xvnc does a login screen but is restricted to 1 user that can see the login gui remotely |
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| 02:18.01 | nvz | NinjaMan: yeah and the console says link up on eth2/3 whne I p;lug it in.. I had to use that cause I wasn't sure which was which |
| 02:18.13 | nvz | the debian box has ann nforce onboard and a realtek pci |
| 02:18.26 | nvz | the nforce seems to be eth2 and the other is eth3 |
| 02:18.39 | nvz | eth1 is the usb dish adapter I am online with now |
| 02:18.54 | nvz | I was about to try taking down eth1, but that shouldn't matter |
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| 02:19.31 | NinjaMan | nvz: and presumably you are sure the network card in the windows machine is ok, has an ip address etc? |
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| 02:21.28 | tzanger | good evneing, I have a 32bit/64bit question |
| 02:21.49 | bpun | nvz, maybe the rter is cheap and works better with straighthru.. just guessing.. |
| 02:22.13 | GENISES | AEW alguem ai..................... meche com Bank ou card ? |
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| 02:22.19 | GENISES | que tenho.. loader ? |
| 02:22.20 | tzanger | I have an etch amd64 system... everything's 64bit packages. is it possible to install a 32-bit kernel on it, or will that break all the userspace stuff? |
| 02:22.29 | dondelelcaro | tzanger: why would you want to? |
| 02:22.34 | bpun | !es-debian |
| 02:22.43 | Tramp | !pt |
| 02:22.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 02:23.03 | bpun | !debian-es |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:23.26 | doublehp | !untrusted |
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| 02:23.55 | tzanger | dondelelcaro: testing |
| 02:24.02 | tzanger | dondelelcaro: that's all... :-) |
| 02:24.03 | bpun | nvz, anything less than cat6 is dangerous for me |
| 02:24.10 | doublehp | !verification |
| 02:24.16 | Tramp | !tell doublehp about selftell |
| 02:24.18 | dondelelcaro | tzanger: testing of what? most likely it won't work in userland. |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | doublehp: /topic |
| 02:24.42 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:24.48 | bpun | Tramp, isnt it with ~ ? |
| 02:25.02 | Tramp | bpun: that's another bot I think |
| 02:25.13 | tzanger | dondelelcaro: I'm testing a kernel driver that I'm writing... I have no problems on my 32bit system but I am having a lot of issues on 64bit, I'd like to just test on a 32bit kernel on that same hardware to make sure but I'm concerned that it won't boot with a 32bit kernel |
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| 02:27.10 | bpun | tzanger, if the 32-bit kernel loads.. then i see no why the kernel driver shouldnt have a chance loading.. |
| 02:27.21 | tzanger | bpun: no, that's not what I'm saying |
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| 02:27.54 | bpun | tzanger, well you're saying you dont know if the hardware 64bit processor will work with the 32-bit driver? |
| 02:27.55 | amphi | tzanger: run a 32bit kernel under an emulator? |
| 02:28.01 | doublehp | aptitude: => "Install these packages without verification" ; how do I get rid of this definitely ? |
| 02:28.01 | tzanger | bpun: it seems that everything on this system is 64-bit... including userspace. I am concerned that a 32-bit kernel will not be able to execute 64-bit userspace binaries, meaning that once my kernel boots and goes to execute init, it will hang |
| 02:28.08 | bpun | amphi, he wants it to load on the actual hware |
| 02:28.18 | doublehp | definitively |
| 02:28.20 | bpun | tzanger, ? |
| 02:28.31 | bpun | tzanger, why are you asking this question.. of course not |
| 02:28.37 | tzanger | bpun: no, the driver compiles to 64-bit just fine, but doesn't seem to work right. I'm trying to see if the issue is that I've goofed up something by making 32-bit assumptions |
| 02:28.50 | bpun | tzanger, ? |
| 02:28.51 | tzanger | bpun: of course not... what? |
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| 02:29.20 | tzanger | bpun: my instinct tells me that a 32-bit kernel will be incapable of running 64-bit userspace binaries/libraries |
| 02:29.23 | bpun | tzanger, geez you shouldnt be expecting me to answer these questions.. obviously it's a reason why the mac people do a universal compile.. |
| 02:29.27 | tzanger | I've never played with x86-64 to tell :-) |
| 02:29.47 | tzanger | and this system is located about 6 hours south of me or I'd just go and build it and see |
| 02:30.10 | bpun | tzanger, reason why is because the processor for 64bit goes into 32bit mode.. |
| 02:30.34 | sladi | cu |
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| 02:30.38 | tzanger | I understand there's a 32-bit mode for 64-bit processors, but when the proc is in 32 bit mode I am not sure if it can run 64-bit binaries |
| 02:30.50 | bpun | *sigh |
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| 02:31.56 | tzanger | bpun: I think we're talking to each other without actually communicating :-) |
| 02:32.36 | bpun | tzanger, if the driver was made to compile to 64-bit without 32-bit then it wont be loaded with the 32-bit kernel.. |
| 02:32.45 | tzanger | bpun: forget the driver |
| 02:33.14 | nvz | NinjaMan: yeah its set to 192.168.0.3, its a laptop so its a built in realtek card |
| 02:33.17 | bpun | tzanger, i dont think people in linux practise universal binaries.. if its what you're asking.. |
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| 02:33.36 | bpun | tzanger, because that causes too much bloat.. |
| 02:33.44 | tzanger | bpun: if I have an etch system where everything seems to be 64-bit elf and i boot a 32-bit kernel on it, will I be able to run those 64-bit binaries with the 32-bit kernel, or will the system hang when it attempts to? I can compile the driver for 32-bit or 64-bit, no problem, I'm asking about the installed amd64 debian system |
| 02:34.11 | bpun | tzanger, I merely made a logical guess.. um no. |
| 02:35.32 | tzanger | bpun: that's what I think too, but seeing as I know next to nothing about how x86-64 works, I figured I'd ask. I know that ELF can contain binaries for multiple architectures, but I don't think this system has that |
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| 02:36.58 | bpun | tzanger, you no need to look at architecture, just kernel |
| 02:37.26 | bpun | tzanger, you're confusing yourself.. stick with the abstract model |
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| 02:37.44 | tzanger | bpun: x86-64 is not the same architecture as x86 though... I don't think |
| 02:37.57 | tzanger | IIRC it's a totally different ISA |
| 02:38.21 | bpun | tzanger, if the kernel loads.. you just have to look at what the kernel's features |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:38.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 02:39.20 | bpun | abrotman, he was asking if 64-bit binary compiles run on 32-bit kernels.. |
| 02:39.42 | tzanger | abrotman: hmm, thank you... that seems to indicate that I should be able to boot a kernel compiled for 686 on it and actually have it owrk |
| 02:40.10 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 02:40.10 | dpkg | from memory, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 02:40.16 | bpun | tzanger, you make no sense.. 686 ran run a multitude of processors |
| 02:41.00 | tzanger | yes |
| 02:41.04 | tzanger | but it was all in 32-bit mode |
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| 02:41.23 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question is there any editors? so i can open the MO and PO files? |
| 02:41.24 | bpun | abrotman, he still thinks he can run 64bit binaries on 32-bit kernels.. |
| 02:41.26 | TiMiDo | so i can translate? |
| 02:41.27 | tzanger | i.e. the ISA was the same, but as you walked up the processor list, you had new instructions, but the old ones all worked |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | bpun: he can think whatever he wants .. |
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| 02:41.50 | bpun | abrotman, lol |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | TiMiDo: translation files? |
| 02:42.03 | TiMiDo | abrotman: yeah they are PO and MO files |
| 02:42.05 | tzanger | abrotman: ok, that answers my question. :-) I didn't think it would work, and now you've confirmed it. |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | tzanger: however .. you can run 32bit on 64bit in some cases |
| 02:42.28 | tzanger | bpun: I appreciate all the time you spent trying to educate me... abrotman's got it through my skull. :-) |
| 02:42.28 | bpun | abrotman, but who knows who he's playing his game on ;).. i think he loves you :) |
| 02:42.31 | __ryan__ | how do i compile more modules into my existing kernel? |
| 02:42.32 | tzanger | abrotman: yes, I am aware of that :-) |
| 02:42.41 | tzanger | I didn't think it went the other way |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | TiMiDo: no idea ... i'd think the maintainers guide would mention it |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | !info kbabel lenny |
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| 02:43.37 | dpkg | kbabel: (PO-file editing suite for KDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1650 kB, Installed size: 5108 kB |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | TiMiDo: like that ^^ ? |
| 02:43.40 | infinitycircuit | __ryan__, if you look at the debian wiki page on nvidia drivers it explains in the 3rd or 4th way how to do that |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:43.55 | __ryan__ | cool thanks |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | __ryan__: why? |
| 02:44.10 | __ryan__ | i want to add native wifi support |
| 02:44.13 | __ryan__ | ndiswrapper sucks. |
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| 02:44.23 | infinitycircuit | __ryan__, what module do you need? |
| 02:44.28 | __ryan__ | b43 |
| 02:44.35 | __ryan__ | it's for my wireless card |
| 02:44.40 | pickcoder | __ryan__: are you trying to get host AP support? |
| 02:44.42 | tzanger | thanks guys... I appreciate your time :-) |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | b43 is in the kernel already |
| 02:44.52 | bpun | __ryan__, if you know the chipset, its usually all thats needed to know to find the driver.. or at least an experimental one |
| 02:44.56 | infinitycircuit | __ryan__, i think it's a better idea to compile a newer kernel if your kernel is old enough to not have b43 |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | if it's that old .. it has bcm43xx |
| 02:45.11 | __ryan__ | it has the old b43 driver..bcm43xx |
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| 02:45.32 | __ryan__ | but i updated to linux-etchnhalf 2.6.24 and b3 is non-existent |
| 02:45.34 | Decepticon | how do i give wget cookies to use? |
| 02:45.44 | __ryan__ | so i'm booting into my old 2.6.18 just to use ndiswrapper even |
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| 02:45.59 | __ryan__ | pickcoder, no i just want my native drivers to work |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | my .24 has b43 |
| 02:46.25 | pickcoder | __ryan__: native drivers? there are no "native" drivers for broadcom on Linux |
| 02:46.38 | __ryan__ | well native as in come with the kernel? |
| 02:46.41 | pickcoder | the bc43xx project doesn't work on all variations of the 43 series |
| 02:46.52 | __ryan__ | bc43xx is extinct |
| 02:46.56 | __ryan__ | on newer kernels |
| 02:47.14 | __ryan__ | its just b43 now |
| 02:48.06 | abrotman | __ryan__: grep B43 /boot/<configfror.24kernel> |
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| 02:48.33 | Tramp | Decepticon: you did "man wget" and searched for "cookies"? |
| 02:48.41 | doublehp | aptitude: => "Install these packages without verification" ; how do I get rid of this definitively ? |
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| 02:49.29 | abrotman | doublehp: /topic ? |
| 02:49.37 | doublehp | I did :'( |
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| 02:50.12 | __ryan__ | ok, so it's in the config |
| 02:50.23 | JordiGH | When packages are dropped from Debian, where can I find an explanation for why this happened? |
| 02:50.23 | __ryan__ | when i do modprobe b43 it's not there though? |
| 02:50.33 | JordiGH | misses motor and supercollider. |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | __ryan__: what's the error ? |
| 02:50.50 | Malf | update to X: 1, my apparent lack of a necessary config file post-upgrade: 0 |
| 02:51.06 | __ryan__ | FATAL: Module B43 not found. |
| 02:52.03 | __ryan__ | and it's not blacklisted or anything checked just in case |
| 02:52.11 | doublehp | abrotman: please ... |
| 02:52.12 | __ryan__ | not sure if that would cause that error or not |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | w3hat? |
| 02:53.18 | __ryan__ | i used aptitude to upgrade to etchnhalf so i figured it looked at my old kernels config didn't see a b43 and deselected it automatically |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | __ryan__: b43 .. not B43 |
| 02:53.24 | __ryan__ | i tried both |
| 02:53.36 | __ryan__ | and with a wildcard |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | __ryan__: cd /lib/modules/ && find -name b43.ko |
| 02:53.49 | pickcoder | __ryan__: if it's in the config then is it marked a module or compiled in? |
| 02:54.10 | __ryan__ | it's in there as a module |
| 02:54.18 | bpun | __ryan__, there's something for 4400 on this page, dunno about b43 though -> http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/4401.php |
| 02:54.42 | bpun | __ryan__, maybe something bcm* in modules.. may be already compiled but just guessing |
| 02:54.43 | __ryan__ | abrotman, it's in there. crazy |
| 02:54.45 | markybob | __ryan__, you need to enable mac80211 to see it listed |
| 02:55.02 | __ryan__ | the module is there how strange |
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| 02:55.28 | abrotman | markybob: even to insmod it ? |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | erm .. modprobe |
| 02:55.55 | __ryan__ | i haven't read anything to do with mac80211 yet even on the debian b43 wiki page |
| 02:56.07 | __ryan__ | so i doubt it's related? |
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| 02:56.28 | abrotman | it is |
| 02:56.35 | bpun | __ryan__, there any modules for your wifi in /lib/modules/`uname -r` ? |
| 02:56.36 | pickcoder | __ryan__: you did build modules and module dependencies when you built the kernel, right? |
| 02:57.03 | __ryan__ | aptitude upgrade me i would hope it would do that |
| 02:57.07 | __ryan__ | upgraded |
| 02:57.08 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | pickcoder: he didn't build ... he's using etchnhalf |
| 02:57.29 | pickcoder | wth is etchnhalf? |
| 02:57.29 | __ryan__ | pickcoder, my module for b43 is there |
| 02:57.37 | pickcoder | has been away too long |
| 02:57.46 | bpun | pickcoder, is config.gz still generated ? |
| 02:57.52 | __ryan__ | !info etchnhalf |
| 02:58.02 | __ryan__ | that failed |
| 02:58.05 | __ryan__ | anyway |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | pickcoder: /msg dpkg etchnhalf :) |
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| 02:58.14 | bpun | __ryan__, you can type modinfo <modname> .. it can tell some info |
| 02:58.16 | pickcoder | been there, done that |
| 02:58.48 | pickcoder | I may be moving some of my less critical boxes |
| 02:59.28 | __ryan__ | bpun, chances are if the modinfo command worked so would modprobe |
| 02:59.39 | __ryan__ | i get modinfo to work if i link it directly to the .ko file though |
| 02:59.47 | __ryan__ | nothing useless though |
| 02:59.58 | bpun | __ryan__, i have clue at what point you're in.. is this module prebuilt? |
| 03:00.18 | bpun | __ryan__, depmod -a |
| 03:00.39 | pickcoder | bpun: aptitude should have done that before it added to grub and put the files in /boot/ |
| 03:01.09 | __ryan__ | bpun, i suppose that should be gone while booted into my new kernel? |
| 03:01.13 | __ryan__ | im on my old one now |
| 03:01.20 | pickcoder | __ryan__: reboot already? |
| 03:01.27 | __ryan__ | rebooted plently of times |
| 03:01.38 | bpun | __ryan__, that's why i mentioned `uname -r` .. for running kernel i was assuming you're not changing kernels.. |
| 03:01.45 | pickcoder | well a kernel module for X won't load under kernel Y |
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| 03:01.56 | __ryan__ | i know |
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| 03:02.01 | __ryan__ | ive been trying in my new kernel |
| 03:02.14 | bpun | __ryan__, so custom-built this kernel? |
| 03:02.21 | __ryan__ | no |
| 03:02.54 | bpun | __ryan__, so why trying to load another kernel's mod? doesnt make sense... |
| 03:03.11 | __ryan__ | i want the newer kernel |
| 03:03.45 | __ryan__ | and it's not finding b43 |
| 03:03.53 | __ryan__ | that's the one i'm trying to load |
| 03:03.56 | bpun | __ryan__, o so this is totally unrelated.. but you still never got wifi to work.. why trying to be so smart? |
| 03:04.15 | __ryan__ | what are you talking about? |
| 03:04.20 | __ryan__ | this is not unrelated |
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| 03:04.37 | __ryan__ | i can't load my b43 module in kernel 2.4.26, that's what i need help with |
| 03:04.47 | __ryan__ | 2.6 ** |
| 03:04.47 | bpun | __ryan__, it is.. solve the wifi first.. then try a newer kernel.. |
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| 03:05.39 | __ryan__ | you don't get it i have wifi on 2.6.18 which i am on right now |
| 03:06.05 | __ryan__ | when i boot into 2.6.24 the updated wifi driver will not load |
| 03:06.17 | bpun | __ryan__, so basiclly how did you get this wifi to work on 2.6.18? just with ndiswrapper? |
| 03:06.28 | __ryan__ | yes |
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| 03:07.00 | bpun | __ryan__, and so you're trying to go non-ndiswrapper? but just want to jump to a new kernel at the same time.. |
| 03:07.13 | __ryan__ | the new kernel works fine, except the the wifi |
| 03:07.16 | pickcoder | __ryan__: what error do you get on .26 when you modprobe B64 |
| 03:07.20 | bpun | __ryan__, thats the problem.. |
| 03:07.31 | bpun | __ryan__, you're jumping |
| 03:07.32 | __ryan__ | pickcoder, b64? |
| 03:07.43 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:07.45 | __ryan__ | bpun, so you expect me to never update my kernel? |
| 03:07.46 | pickcoder | B43 |
| 03:07.51 | __ryan__ | it says fatal not found |
| 03:08.06 | __ryan__ | considering it's in the lib/modules folder it's pretty weird huh |
| 03:08.35 | pickcoder | try depmod -a under the new kernel to make sure the map is current for that kernel |
| 03:08.57 | bpun | pickcoder, now you say so.. you're funny.. |
| 03:09.14 | pickcoder | bpun: you didn't specify which kernel to run it under, though |
| 03:09.17 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:09.31 | __ryan__ | i'll go give it a try brb thanks guys |
| 03:09.42 | bpun | pickcoder, depmod -a is already calculated on boot.. |
| 03:09.49 | pickcoder | aptitude should have done it |
| 03:10.05 | bpun | pickcoder, aptitude doesnt, it's the scripts that do this checking.. |
| 03:10.18 | pickcoder | scripts? |
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| 03:14.36 | ryan__ | pickcoder, thanks worked like a charm, thanks everyone else too |
| 03:14.47 | ryan__ | you'd think aptitude would run depmod when upgrading huh? |
| 03:14.54 | pickcoder | it normally does |
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| 03:15.21 | ryan__ | i'm even getting a stronger wifi signal if that makes sense |
| 03:15.25 | ryan__ | without ndiswrapper |
| 03:15.31 | pickcoder | you're not |
| 03:15.36 | pickcoder | it's just the driver |
| 03:15.40 | ryan__ | ah |
| 03:15.41 | pickcoder | different numbers |
| 03:15.52 | pickcoder | though |
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| 03:16.00 | pickcoder | it could be maxing the power level |
| 03:16.18 | pickcoder | not sure what ndis settings you had |
| 03:16.19 | ryan__ | ah well either way it's nice to be rid of ndiswrapper :P |
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| 03:16.47 | pickcoder | iwconfig should show you all |
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| 03:17.30 | ryan__ | yeah the link quality seems higher than before probably just my imagination though |
| 03:17.46 | pickcoder | maybe the default power level was lower on the default ndis driver |
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| 03:18.16 | ryan__ | ah |
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| 03:18.51 | pickcoder | I've never had a problem with ndiswrapper |
| 03:19.07 | pickcoder | Giri does a nice job with keeping up with new chips and drivers |
| 03:19.29 | pickcoder | scratches his head.. it was Giri I think.. |
| 03:19.35 | pickcoder | is getting old |
| 03:20.31 | gnat_x | is it possible to use xbindkeys to perform an already defined key combination? my laptop has page forwar/back buttons that i want to bind to ctrl + up / down for iceweasel tab switching. |
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| 03:25.53 | marcot | I'm having a doubt about packaging. I use ubuntu, but they don't answer about it in #ubuntu, and I think it's a debian related question, or maybe even more general. I have the source package of synaptic, which I got from apt-get source, and in the pt_BR.po file the strings are different from the ones shown when I run the package. |
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| 03:26.49 | marcot | I thought this could be because the source is different of the installed package, so I tried building the package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and installing it, but it doesn't changed. |
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| 03:28.19 | marcot | I think it may be reading these strings from some other pt_BR.po, from other package, but it's strange cause it's very similar to what is written in the synaptic package pt_BR.po. |
| 03:28.26 | marcot | With another words, and other errors. |
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| 03:30.14 | __ryan__ | configure: error: libjpeg is required |
| 03:30.23 | __ryan__ | i keep getting those kind of errors is this common? |
| 03:30.26 | markybob | so install it |
| 03:30.30 | __ryan__ | it is. |
| 03:30.53 | markybob | __ryan__, dpkg -l libjpeg62-dev |
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| 03:30.56 | __ryan__ | but it says libjpeg.s0.62 do i have to keep symlinking them all? |
| 03:31.19 | markybob | no goofball. you just have to install the dev package of it |
| 03:31.26 | __ryan__ | okay |
| 03:31.39 | doublehp | I have installed openntpd, and rebooted; my local clock is still 14mn late; systlog says it's updating (no eror), what's still wrong ? ntpdate not available for installation |
| 03:31.54 | __ryan__ | thanks markybob |
| 03:37.23 | pickcoder | doublehp: which clock is it using? |
| 03:37.29 | pickcoder | clock server |
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| 03:43.27 | samantha-- | yay. i was finally able to retire my ubuntu box in favor of my debian box. |
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| 03:47.56 | nvz | doh the problem was that the wifi I am connected to is 192.168.0.x and I was trying to make my wired network the same |
| 03:48.06 | nvz | I switched it to 192.168.1.x and it worked :-P |
| 03:48.21 | nvz | ETOOTIRED |
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| 03:50.32 | jnsears | what package do i need to get to install the pgsql command line client? |
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| 03:52.17 | pickcoder | postgresql-client |
| 03:52.40 | jnsears | that's what i thought |
| 03:52.52 | jnsears | but it's installed and still no pgsql on the path or anywhere in /usr |
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| 03:53.18 | mmlj4 | apt-cache search postgres | grep "^postgres" |
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| 03:54.17 | Phil4 | hi all, I've just made a rather worrying revalation |
| 03:54.32 | Phil4 | 4 of my own servers as well as that of a friend have been rooted by a user from the same .be IP |
| 03:54.39 | Phil4 | who created a user called 'screen' |
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| 03:54.56 | pickcoder | jnsears: psql |
| 03:55.04 | pickcoder | you can install postgresql-client-7.4 |
| 03:55.18 | pickcoder | or 8.1 |
| 03:55.26 | Phil4 | my boxes are only related in that I own them and there's no direct access between them |
| 03:56.00 | jnsears | have postgresql-client-7.4 installed |
| 03:56.07 | jnsears | and still no pgsql |
| 03:56.13 | jnsears | maybe i'll try putting the other one on |
| 03:56.52 | pickcoder | the commandline client is psql if I'm not mistaken |
| 03:56.54 | markybob | jnbes, you're not paying attention. it's psql, not pgsql |
| 03:57.10 | smacnay | is there a glitch with f-spot in deb testing? Importing photos does not work. |
| 03:57.11 | jnsears | a hah |
| 03:57.15 | jnsears | thanks |
| 03:57.41 | jnsears | that explains it |
| 03:57.52 | jnsears | ;) |
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| 04:01.21 | Phil4 | can some of you check your /etc/passwd files on some of your servers for a user named screen? |
| 04:01.46 | markybob | Phil4, screen is not a default user in debian, if that's what you're asking |
| 04:01.55 | Phil4 | I'm not |
| 04:02.20 | Phil4 | I'm wondering how one IP can root 5 distinct servers in the space of 2 days |
| 04:02.37 | Phil4 | and also whether I'm the only one in the world, with the exception of a friend, who has been attacked |
| 04:02.39 | markybob | pretty easily. have you upgraded since the libssl exploit? |
| 04:02.44 | Phil4 | yes |
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| 04:03.13 | markybob | i'm sure many people have been attacked. |
| 04:03.16 | Phil4 | as I said, can a few of you check your /etc/passwd files for this user |
| 04:03.41 | markybob | what part of it's not a default user in debian didnt you get? it wouldnt be in our /etc/passwd is what that means |
| 04:04.11 | Phil4 | markybob, don't get pissy please |
| 04:04.17 | Phil4 | I am wondering who else has been attacked |
| 04:04.17 | markybob | i'm not pissy |
| 04:04.35 | Phil4 | and precicely what part of Debian let this Felmish asshole in |
| 04:04.52 | Phil4 | as it cannot be coincidental that 5 Debian boxes get rooted in such a short space of time |
| 04:05.06 | markybob | we're not psychic. we cant simply tell you "oh, they hacked in via foo" |
| 04:06.22 | pickcoder | Phil4: did you by chance have a weak keys from the last OpenSSL |
| 04:06.38 | Phil4 | no, I upgraded the packages a while ago |
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| 04:07.11 | pickcoder | is there a common web app on all 5? |
| 04:07.28 | Phil4 | you mean a php script? |
| 04:07.32 | Phil4 | or a httpd? |
| 04:07.46 | pickcoder | anything available publicly |
| 04:08.03 | Phil4 | they all run some common services |
| 04:08.08 | Phil4 | sshd etc. |
| 04:08.21 | Phil4 | but the httpds are Apache2 and lighty on different boxes |
| 04:08.30 | Phil4 | and, as far as I know, there's no common script on either |
| 04:08.44 | Phil4 | interesting thing is... |
| 04:08.45 | Phil4 | 15 ajaxterm 536 0.0 1.0 18364 5440 ? Sl Jun11 0:09 python /usr/share/ajaxterm/ajaxterm.py --daemon --port=8022 --serverport=22 --uid=ajaxterm |
| 04:08.56 | Phil4 | that user has been created on each box as that process is running ^^ |
| 04:09.20 | Phil4 | s/as/and |
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| 04:10.33 | pickcoder | Phil4: same ISP? |
| 04:10.39 | Phil4 | no |
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| 04:12.23 | Phil4 | Jun 10 17:57:11 server1 sshd[1946]: Public key 23:0c:e8:04:1b:22:1c:99:08:1a:f5:b1:89:70:7c:c7 blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)) |
| 04:12.23 | Phil4 | Jun 10 17:57:13 server1 sshd[1946]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for screen from 81.83.58.129 port 51582 ssh2 |
| 04:12.30 | Phil4 | that is the first mention of the user |
| 04:12.37 | Phil4 | as you can see, it blocked the key |
| 04:12.42 | Phil4 | then accepted a password |
| 04:12.42 | karsten | Hrm.... So, I'm running Kontact/KMail and our work environment is... a tad email-happy. 23k messages in my inbox is apparently a little too much for its tired little brain. |
| 04:12.58 | karsten | is trying to figure out how to nuke the junk mails without keeling over Kmail/Kontact. |
| 04:12.59 | markybob | Phil4, you just posted your answer. blacklisted key accepted. like i said, libssl |
| 04:13.15 | karsten | Search can't even sort it. |
| 04:13.23 | Phil4 | markybob, no |
| 04:13.24 | karsten | Phil4: /topic |
| 04:13.29 | Phil4 | keyboard-interactive was accepted |
| 04:13.33 | Phil4 | blacklisted key was blocked |
| 04:14.00 | karsten | Phil4: Post the entire session dump (ssh -vv) to pastebin please. |
| 04:14.15 | karsten | Phil4: ... and what's the question then? |
| 04:15.00 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1167&key=3ac59b25408ad |
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| 04:17.50 | karsten | Phil4: no. The session connection to your host. |
| 04:17.57 | karsten | Phil4: Eg: ssh -vv user@host true |
| 04:18.28 | karsten | Phil4: ... which should just connect to the host, execute "true", and drop the connection. Assumes a session key, though I think it will prompt for a password if necessary. Don't paste the password ;-) |
| 04:19.02 | Phil4 | as I said, the ssl vuln was fixed |
| 04:19.07 | liable | what ******* ? ;) |
| 04:19.15 | Phil4 | I know this as it rejected my own keys until I re-did them |
| 04:19.16 | karsten | Phil4: You need to regenerate your keys. You can't just update the code. |
| 04:19.21 | karsten | Phil4: OK. |
| 04:19.40 | CompWizrd | and are you sure it wasn't rooted before you were able to fix the code? that maybe they used a compromised key, and also set a password in case you fixed it? |
| 04:19.45 | karsten | Phil4: You need to ensure that *all* system keys are regenerated. Host keys should be regenned regardless. |
| 04:20.03 | karsten | Phil4: ... and CompWizrd is getting where I'm going: how do you know the system is rooted, how do you know it wasn't rooted previously? |
| 04:20.22 | Phil4 | karsten, logs show the creation of these accounts in the last 2 days |
| 04:20.22 | karsten | Phil4: ... what other means of remote access do you allow? Any other services running? Apache/PHP, say? |
| 04:20.42 | karsten | Phil4: Do creation timestamps for home directories concur with the logs? |
| 04:20.43 | Phil4 | there's Apache/PHP on 2 Lighty/PHP on the other 3 |
| 04:20.46 | hoxu | Phil4, you got rooted? Reinstall time |
| 04:20.54 | Phil4 | hoxu, 5 boxes got rooted |
| 04:20.58 | Phil4 | 4 of mine and one of a friend |
| 04:20.59 | karsten | Phil4: If your'e getting accounts created, your logs are suspect. I'd start remote logging. |
| 04:21.04 | Phil4 | near impossible to reinstall on each |
| 04:21.13 | karsten | Phil4: Probably someone's rootkit / automated exploit then. |
| 04:21.15 | Phil4 | this looks, to me, like a massive Debian related vuln |
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| 04:21.28 | hoxu | Phil4, "/msg dpkg compromise check" may be useful, but really, just do it, reinstall |
| 04:21.31 | karsten | Phil4: Well, there are possible vulns, we need more data. |
| 04:21.40 | hoxu | Phil4, there's no other way to ensure you can trust the boxes |
| 04:21.53 | CompWizrd | could see what chkrootkit says, though you can't trust the output if you run it on the machine that's infected |
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| 04:22.41 | karsten | Phil4: I'm with hoxu and CompWizrd FWIW. Reinstall may not be easy, but it's the only good way to ensure you're clean. |
| 04:23.03 | Phil4 | at the moment, this is a deeper problem than just me, surely |
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| 04:23.41 | Phil4 | if 4 of my boxes and 1 of a friend can get rooted in 2 days, this is clearly a wider problem which will likely be faced by the entire Debian community |
| 04:23.59 | karsten | Phil4: Without better forensics from you, no, we can't say that. |
| 04:24.22 | Phil4 | I'm looking, karsten |
| 04:24.31 | Phil4 | I cannot see how they got in |
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| 04:24.53 | hoxu | Phil4, you are using ssh keys on the boxes, right? |
| 04:25.08 | Phil4 | yes |
| 04:25.11 | karsten | Phil4: There are a few vulnerability testers. Your usual suspects are any open, externally accessible services. |
| 04:25.32 | karsten | Phil4: If you and your friend share any accounts in common, that's a possiblity. I'd suspect more likely though woudl be a shared service. |
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| 04:25.43 | hoxu | Phil4, also "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" for reinstalling |
| 04:25.59 | karsten | Phil4: ... or just weak passwords, if you're allowing password access. I have heard reports of massive brute-force account hacking. |
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| 04:26.20 | Phil4 | it wasn't brute force, karsten |
| 04:26.25 | Phil4 | I have denyhosts to safeguard against that |
| 04:26.32 | karsten | OK. |
| 04:26.32 | Phil4 | and logs show nothing of failed attempts |
| 04:26.33 | liable | yep, obviously your sshd still allows password auth if a key is not given |
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| 04:26.41 | WntrMute | hi |
| 04:27.03 | karsten | Phil4: Disgruntled prior employee / ex grilf/boyfr? |
| 04:27.16 | Phil4 | nobody has root access to my boxes |
| 04:27.26 | Phil4 | and no one user, besides me has access to all of my boxes |
| 04:27.32 | karsten | Phil4: Somebody does ;-) |
| 04:27.34 | Phil4 | each has a different password |
| 04:27.35 | WinterMute | was Zend recently removed from the Debian packages? |
| 04:27.38 | Phil4 | heh |
| 04:27.39 | WormFood | is there a quick and easy way to see what dependencies a package has, that is already installed? |
| 04:27.43 | Phil4 | besides the Flemish asshole, of course |
| 04:27.44 | karsten | Phil4: Mental illness, multiple personalities? |
| 04:27.50 | karsten | WormFood: aptitude show <package> |
| 04:28.01 | WormFood | I looked through the dpkg man page, and didn't find anything |
| 04:28.08 | Phil4 | the user libuuid, is it standard? |
| 04:28.15 | hoxu | Phil4, internal logs? If you got rooted, you can't trust the system |
| 04:28.28 | Phil4 | hoxu, I'm only doing what I can work with |
| 04:28.35 | WormFood | thanks karsten, that did the trick |
| 04:28.42 | CompWizrd | and are you sure the machine you're working on now, that connects to the 4 machines wasn't infected with a keylogger? |
| 04:28.43 | tuv | WormFood, apt-cache depends <package-name> |
| 04:28.45 | gnat_x | Phil4: does a fresh tar ball of chkrootkit show anything? |
| 04:28.47 | karsten | Phil4: Any system user accounts (UID < 1000) should be created in a postinst script. /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst |
| 04:28.55 | markybob | you should really call miss cleo. she handles all my hackings |
| 04:29.01 | hoxu | Phil4, also /msg dpkg compromised system :) |
| 04:29.27 | markybob | ah, miss cleo. good times |
| 04:29.31 | WormFood | I can't believe the fedora package of imagemagick depends on 69 other packages....what a load of shit....I sure as hell wished my hosting provider would give me the option to install debian |
| 04:29.36 | CompWizrd | cause since these are all your machines, i assume you've connected to them from some central workstation.. if that was compromised and rootkitted, it's trivial to log your passwords that you used to connect to these other 4 machines |
| 04:29.43 | CompWizrd | and would explain the pattern you've seen |
| 04:30.04 | karsten | Phil4: Any Win32 systems in the hosue? |
| 04:30.10 | karsten | s/hosue/house/ |
| 04:30.16 | gnat_x | though that doesn't account for the friends machine. |
| 04:30.25 | CompWizrd | gnat_x: if he has an account on the friends machine... |
| 04:30.29 | CompWizrd | or logged into it |
| 04:30.35 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 04:30.48 | gnat_x | yup that was my next ? |
| 04:30.49 | karsten | Phil4: Keylogger. Hardware. Remote password access from a public terminal. |
| 04:31.08 | Phil4 | karsten, my home box is in the DMZ and my other servers are different DCs |
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| 04:33.57 | Phil4 | how does one disable password auth in openssh? |
| 04:33.58 | karsten | Phil4: Doesn't matter. If your user/pass were captured and transmitted, you could be 'sploited. |
| 04:34.22 | Phil4 | I already have "PasswordAuthentication no" in my sshd_config |
| 04:34.37 | karsten | Phil4: "PasswordAuthentication no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
| 04:34.40 | karsten | Phil4: man 5 sshd |
| 04:34.42 | gnat_x | that should do iirc |
| 04:34.50 | Phil4 | seems not, gnat_x |
| 04:34.55 | Phil4 | afaik, it's always been in there |
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| 04:35.10 | karsten | Phil4: man 5 ssh_config |
| 04:35.25 | Phil4 | ssh or sshd? |
| 04:35.41 | karsten | Phil4: Manpage as specified 2nd time. /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
| 04:35.47 | gnat_x | and you're sure that neither you nor any of your users had vulnerable keys. or allowed vulnerable keys into the machine through authorized_keys? |
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| 04:36.03 | karsten | gnat_x: The patch should blacklist any vuln keys. |
| 04:36.25 | CompWizrd | does the blacklist cover non-standard keylengths? can't remember offhand |
| 04:36.33 | karsten | is about to win the CLI v. GUI debate. |
| 04:36.47 | karsten | Deleting 25,184 messages, one at a time, through a GUI, is _not_ more efficient. |
| 04:36.57 | karsten | CompWizrd: NFC.. RTFChanglog |
| 04:37.56 | DaveLib | hello i am running Lenny i have a 17 inch monitor but i have always run X at 1280 x 1024 which i like i did aptitude the other day and it updated the X server and put me back to 1024 x 728 or whatever cntrl-alt-+/- don't work they used to how do i get back 1280 x 1024 and also other choices by ctrl-alt-+/- ? |
| 04:38.20 | karsten | DaveLib: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:38.26 | karsten | DaveLib: ...for starters. |
| 04:38.29 | DaveLib | thanks karsten |
| 04:38.33 | karsten | DaveLib: I've had issues with my dual-head config myself. |
| 04:38.53 | DaveLib | hi karsten you helped me before months ago when i came to this channel |
| 04:39.02 | Phil4 | so after reading the manual, it says that PasswordAuthentication controls the use of password auth |
| 04:39.03 | TiMiDo | !e17 |
| 04:39.03 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 04:39.09 | karsten | DaveLib: I'm sorry :-) |
| 04:39.09 | Phil4 | which it appears not to |
| 04:39.13 | markybob | karsten, you need to smoke some weed. no one should have memory that good |
| 04:39.20 | karsten | Phil4: Restart / reload the server. |
| 04:39.22 | gnat_x | DaveLib: once you get it back to working you should make a copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:39.28 | markybob | i mean, DaveLib :P |
| 04:39.29 | karsten | markybob: ?? |
| 04:39.33 | karsten | markybob: Oh. |
| 04:39.34 | CompWizrd | karsten: looks like just rsa-2048 and dsa-1024.. so if someone got clever while installing and picked something else, the blacklist might not see it? |
| 04:39.53 | karsten | markybob: I've been told I leave a strong impression. |
| 04:39.58 | markybob | heh |
| 04:40.00 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: There's also openssh-blacklist-extra which provides blacklists for some additional key sizes |
| 04:40.01 | karsten | markybob: ... or indelible scent, I can't recall which. |
| 04:40.03 | DaveLib | ya i never had my X server resolutions change before by a routine update what gives? |
| 04:40.05 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: thanks |
| 04:40.27 | Wyzard | Phil4: PasswordAuthentication does indeed control password authentication |
| 04:40.43 | Wyzard | Phil4: I have it disabled on some of my own systems and it works as expected |
| 04:40.51 | karsten | DaveLib: As I said: my dual-head config got horked a month or so back, haven't been able to get it back. I get a larger display on my offboard monitor (T42p Thinkpad laptop), but not seperate displays w/ Xinerama the way I want 'em. |
| 04:41.00 | liable | i think challengeresponse also needs to be no. i have been confused by this in the past |
| 04:41.00 | Phil4 | seems to work on all but one, Wyzard |
| 04:41.13 | Wyzard | Phil4: Make sure you don't have PAM keyboard-interactive authentication enabled |
| 04:41.17 | markybob | Phil4, did you reload or restart? |
| 04:41.19 | CompWizrd | Phil4: are you sure that box is actually running YOUR copy of ssh anymore? |
| 04:41.23 | Phil4 | yes, markybob |
| 04:41.25 | gnat_x | DaveLib: that's why they call it testing ;) |
| 04:41.27 | markybob | CompWizrd, good point |
| 04:41.28 | CompWizrd | (if this is one of the compromised machines you're working on) |
| 04:41.31 | Wyzard | Phil4: that can be used to auth with passwords too |
| 04:41.55 | DaveLib | oh the dpkg-reconfigure you advised me karsten shpuld i do that with sudo? ie root privileges instead of user? |
| 04:42.06 | markybob | DaveLib, yes |
| 04:42.10 | karsten | DaveLib: yes |
| 04:42.26 | DaveLib | thanks markybob karsten |
| 04:42.44 | DaveLib | gnat_x: good point :) |
| 04:42.47 | markybob | Phil4, everything that anyone says including you is pretty pointless *after* a box has been compromised. you need to understand that. this is really a waste of time |
| 04:43.06 | DaveLib | hey i read recently about sidux as a debian variant |
| 04:43.17 | DaveLib | i might try that next |
| 04:43.26 | DaveLib | it was described: sid for dummies |
| 04:43.28 | karsten | DaveLib: Is that the bootable / LiveCD version? |
| 04:43.35 | karsten | DaveLib: Ouch. |
| 04:44.03 | karsten | DaveLib: That strikes me as along the lines as the Total Idiot's Guide to Brain Surgery. |
| 04:44.04 | DaveLib | yes it is a livecd but from a live session you can install it to hard drive |
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| 04:44.24 | DaveLib | i have been afraid to try sid straight |
| 04:44.33 | karsten | DaveLib: Sid's not bad. |
| 04:44.37 | DaveLib | so sidux might be a good way to do it |
| 04:44.37 | karsten | DaveLib: ... he just breaks toys. |
| 04:45.00 | DaveLib | oh yes :) i never saw the movie |
| 04:45.16 | markybob | DaveLib, WHAT? c'mon! one of the greatest movies ever! |
| 04:45.28 | karsten | hasn't either. |
| 04:45.32 | DaveLib | oh yes i guess i am not up to date |
| 04:45.32 | markybob | my god |
| 04:45.48 | karsten | markybob: Well, not all of it. Bits. |
| 04:45.53 | DaveLib | every year the acamedy awards come out and every movie they are discussing i haven't seen |
| 04:45.54 | gnat_x | Phil4: do you have physical access to these machines. or a competant tech at the other end? if so, and if possible, put in a new drive with a clean debian install on it -- that way you know you're working with the tools you think you're using. mount your old drive ro and move whatever you need off of that old drive. |
| 04:47.00 | karsten | DaveLib: Saw Iron Man a couple of weeks back. Spent most of it noting that the Afghanistan scenes were shot in Alabama Hills (near Lone Pine, CA), and trying to figure out which Linux WM was used for the computer UIs. |
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| 04:47.37 | DaveLib | oh yes do you live near there? also did you fiogure out which wm? |
| 04:48.04 | DaveLib | hey that's good they were using linux |
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| 04:48.34 | karsten | DaveLib: Not sure if they were, would have to see some stills. I've been through AH, live about 200 miles from there (San Jose). |
| 04:48.38 | gnat_x | usually its just some super complicated looking pictures drawn on the screeen |
| 04:49.06 | karsten | gnat_x: A lot of stuff used to be mocked up in Tcl/Tk. I recognized that from Mission Impossible. |
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| 04:50.04 | WormFood | karsten, I saw Iron Man before it was released in USA....because it was released in Asia first (and I'm in Asia) ;) |
| 04:50.16 | karsten | WormFood: Officially or pirated? |
| 04:50.22 | WormFood | in the theater |
| 04:50.23 | karsten | WormFood: And Feh! |
| 04:50.27 | WormFood | officially |
| 04:50.31 | karsten | WormFood: No shit? What country? |
| 04:50.35 | WormFood | China |
| 04:50.35 | DaveLib | i will go to another window and try that dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:50.55 | WormFood | but it was released in asia a few days before usa/canada....and I saw it on opening day |
| 04:51.26 | WormFood | then I saw it again a few days later, with a different friend :D |
| 04:51.54 | WormFood | and both times, I tried to get my friends to wait for the end of the credits, and both times they wouldn't wait....so I missed the last scene after the credits :( |
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| 04:54.44 | rvalles | !tell rvalles boot floppies |
| 04:54.44 | karsten | apparently also missed the last scene after the credits. |
| 04:54.49 | rvalles | sigh, refuses to |
| 04:55.00 | rvalles | how does this work for oneself? |
| 04:55.13 | WormFood | rvalles, just /msg the bot with what you want to know |
| 04:55.17 | rvalles | ok |
| 04:55.22 | WormFood | at least, I think it is that simple |
| 04:55.23 | karsten | rvalles: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 04:55.34 | karsten | rvalles: If you want to be annoying: !tell me about <foo> |
| 04:55.42 | karsten | rvalles: ... but that's strongly discouraged |
| 04:55.54 | rvalles | ok |
| 04:56.16 | karsten | manages to nuke 17,500 messages from KMail.... |
| 04:57.24 | karsten | Oddly enough, this does wonders for system load. |
| 04:58.02 | markybob | karsten, how does kmail store it's mail? mbox? please god say no :P |
| 04:58.21 | CompWizrd | karsten: my workstation doesn't like when i delete 200,000 emails at a time in thunderbird, if that helps |
| 04:58.23 | karsten | markybob: Not sure. I'm using it as an IMAP client to Exchange, mostly for calendar. |
| 04:58.27 | DaveLib | before i started the reconfgure i decided to view /etc/X11/xorg.conf i have a monitor section it sets default depth to 24 and for all the depths listed 1 4 8 15 16 24 it gives me 4 resolutions 1280x1024 1024x768 etc so maybe xorg-conf is set ok |
| 04:58.29 | karsten | CompWizrd: Heh. |
| 04:58.51 | rcbarnes | I'm wiping my array and re-installing Debian lenny on LUKS crypto and I've a question: JFS seems quite attractive for stability/speed reasons (sustained I/O easily exceeds 300GiB/sec on this array, so a fast FS actually matters), does anyone know of a reason to avoid JFS? Are there data safety/recovery concerns greater than with FSs, for example? |
| 04:59.04 | DaveLib | it is suppsed to be ctrl-alt and the number pad +/- to change eh? |
| 04:59.18 | dewey | okay can I upgrade to lenny without using new rc ? |
| 04:59.19 | WormFood | DaveLib, I always set my depth to 16 bit, because then it has less data to move around (faster screen updates) |
| 04:59.20 | peterrooney | CompWizrd: so you have to do this regularly? I've got a spam filter i could sell you K:) |
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| 04:59.35 | CompWizrd | peterrooney: it's the spamfilter output, actually :) |
| 04:59.49 | CompWizrd | and yeah, about 200,000 emails a month |
| 05:00.03 | DaveLib | wormfood: i shoud use the reconfigure to reset that? it i decide to that is |
| 05:00.11 | CompWizrd | anything that scores over 12 on spamassassin gets dumped into that mailbox, in case of false positives |
| 05:00.46 | karsten | markybob: Apparently maildir |
| 05:01.08 | markybob | karsten, ah, good |
| 05:01.22 | karsten | markybob: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/dimap/<path>/INBOX/{cur,tmp,new}/ |
| 05:01.34 | karsten | markybob: It still gets very confused by things. |
| 05:01.58 | karsten | markybob: Don't get me started on email storage formats. I've got some headaches there. |
| 05:02.38 | DaveLib | ls -l on xorg.conf gives me jan 23 2007 everythig was working until yesterday so its not that fiel |
| 05:02.42 | WormFood | I found that eviloution has a 2 gig email limit (if you download it, like via pop3 for example) |
| 05:02.58 | DaveLib | i use gmail |
| 05:03.12 | markybob | WormFood, it used to. that's since been fixed. i actually fixed a bug report about that in like 2004 :P |
| 05:03.31 | CompWizrd | thunderbird has a limit as well, appears to be 4gb.. it stops displaying the mailbox size after 2gb |
| 05:03.39 | WormFood | then why does it still have that 2 gig limit in sid in 2007? |
| 05:03.41 | markybob | WormFood, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324679 |
| 05:03.45 | CompWizrd | and silently corrupts after 4gb |
| 05:04.07 | karsten | WormFood: Per message or total mail archive? |
| 05:04.11 | WormFood | what I found is eviloution crashes, and downloads ALL my mail over again |
| 05:04.20 | markybob | karsten, total |
| 05:04.23 | WormFood | karsten, per mailbox I think |
| 05:04.27 | karsten | WormFood: I discovered that Evolution ... |
| 05:04.34 | karsten | ... is a complete and total piece of crap. |
| 05:04.42 | WormFood | it downloads, via pop3, into a single directory |
| 05:04.50 | gnat_x | dewey: you mean without doing a clean install? |
| 05:04.53 | WormFood | what is better than eviloution? |
| 05:04.59 | WormFood | I'm using imap now |
| 05:05.03 | karsten | WormFood: Kontact is the KDE PIM, integrates calendar, email, contacts, todos, etc. and actually seems to be pretty decent. |
| 05:05.12 | karsten | WormFood: I use mutt, of course, for real email. |
| 05:05.12 | markybob | karsten, it used to download into an mbox..which was the source of most of its problems |
| 05:05.15 | WormFood | I actually don't like kde |
| 05:05.23 | karsten | But if I need to do GUI stuff, Kontact's pretty slick. |
| 05:05.29 | WormFood | I don't object to using kde apps, if it is the best tool for the job |
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| 05:05.58 | karsten | WormFood: My experience with GNOME is that there is some very serious architectural cruft going on and an overtly user-hostile attitude, particularly a hostility to intelligent/advanced users. |
| 05:06.20 | karsten | WormFood: My WM is WindowMaker. KDE itself gets in the way, though I prefer it to GNOME> |
| 05:06.32 | karsten | WormFood: GNOME apps pretty consistently disappoint me. |
| 05:06.36 | WormFood | i use sawmill/sawfish as my WM |
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| 05:06.49 | WormFood | I've been using sawfish/mill for a long, long time |
| 05:07.01 | Vasistha | I have to note pan as a good gnome app, and probably the only one I use |
| 05:07.03 | Vasistha | although it still pisses me the hell off from time to time |
| 05:07.04 | gnat_x | kde apps impress me. i've never like kde itself though |
| 05:07.05 | WormFood | I was using it before they changed the name |
| 05:07.36 | streuner | gnat_x: and why? |
| 05:07.38 | WormFood | I feel kde is bloated |
| 05:07.55 | karsten | Vasistha: Yeah, pam was one of the better ones, not sure whether I finally switched to KDE's newsreader, haven't done Usenet in years. |
| 05:07.59 | WormFood | I feel like they spend too much time on the eye candy, and not enough time on making it run better |
| 05:08.04 | DaveLib | i use fvwm crystal |
| 05:08.23 | WormFood | I was never fond of pan (not pam) |
| 05:08.27 | karsten | WormFood: It's less bloat (with a fast enough system that goes away), more that there are some specific customizations I liek to be able to do, and features of my WM, which it doesn't do. |
| 05:08.28 | TheBonsai | hello! is there any special handling of the "default" awk (mawk) needed, in debian etch? it seems it doesn't recognize posix character classes (at least here) |
| 05:08.35 | WormFood | karsten, pam is a password thingy....pan is the news reader |
| 05:08.37 | karsten | s/pam/pan/ |
| 05:08.43 | karsten | WormFood: Yeah, yeah. |
| 05:08.49 | gnat_x | streuner: it seemed too needlessly pretty. i like a really plain ui. |
| 05:09.25 | karsten | Pan was pretty similar to one of the freeware Win32 newsreaders, forget the name of it... |
| 05:09.39 | karsten | "Agent"? |
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| 05:10.01 | CompWizrd | yeah, there was a Free Agent at some point |
| 05:10.30 | CompWizrd | forteinc |
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| 05:11.05 | karsten | CompWizrd: Bingo. |
| 05:11.10 | karsten | Forte Free Agent |
| 05:11.49 | CompWizrd | apparently as of version 4. they dropped the free version |
| 05:12.07 | karsten | openssl-vulnkey & openvpn-vulnkey commands can be used to test for RSA and OpenVPN keys vulnerable due to randomness bug. |
| 05:12.12 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: btw, awk defaults to gawk on my system, which is also debian etch :) dunno which of us got things confused |
| 05:12.16 | karsten | CompWizrd: Gee, and did anyone care? |
| 05:12.19 | WormFood | I thought it was funny, because I'd use the free version to download the commercial version *evil grin* |
| 05:13.12 | karsten | Vasistha: your system awk is determined by /etc/alternatives. 'nawk' is the closest to canonical 'awk', though I prefer 'gawk'. 'mawk' is another option. There are some syntax and performance differences among them. |
| 05:13.33 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: i don't remember to select something special, so i assumed it's "default" :D |
| 05:13.41 | karsten | Vasistha: Performance isn't necessarially better/worse for all actions in any one of them, and the differences can be pretty significant. |
| 05:13.54 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: that's my experience as well! |
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| 05:14.40 | DaveLib | thanks for your help all i will get off ehre and try a few things |
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| 05:15.39 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: it recognized the kind of user infront of the screen using brain scanning. the idiots got the broken awk variant, while the pros got the working one :P |
| 05:16.17 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: hehehe |
| 05:16.48 | rcbarnes | Where can I find the kernel config included in Lenny? I want to see if I can JFS support is compiled into the stock kernel. |
| 05:17.11 | TheBonsai | where can i initiate a quick bugreport (other mawk RE stuff seems to be broken, too)? |
| 05:17.45 | dondelelcaro | TheBonsai: file a bug report against the mawk package using reportbug |
| 05:18.43 | karsten | rcbarnes: /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 05:19.09 | karsten | rcbarnes: Kernel config for the currently-running kernel, Debianized / installed from deb. |
| 05:19.10 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: keep in mind that if you don't have your machine set up to somehow magically send email without an email client, you could write a whole message and then lose it :) that was my experience with the reportbug package. It's useful to copy/paste the destination address and template, though |
| 05:19.55 | rcbarnes | karsten: I'm using custom kernel atm, so the /boot/config doesn't reflect the stock kernel's options. |
| 05:20.17 | karsten | rcbarnes: You should build your kernels w/ mkpkg |
| 05:20.29 | karsten | !tell rcbarnes about mkpkg |
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| 05:20.38 | ardya | hi folks |
| 05:20.40 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: like i do with 'bugbash', because of the very same reasons ;) |
| 05:20.45 | TheBonsai | er |
| 05:20.52 | TheBonsai | "bashbug" is the script iirc |
| 05:21.03 | rcbarnes | karsten: I do use mkpkg |
| 05:21.06 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 05:21.30 | karsten | rcbarnes: Then install the package w/ dpkg. YOu'll have a config file as you're supposed to. |
| 05:21.30 | ardya | I'm using dhcp for a host, but dont wish resolv.conf to get overwritten, where would do I begin to look at how to achieve this? |
| 05:21.44 | karsten | rcbarnes: Anyhow, your question was about the Debian kernel config file. That's where you'll find it. |
| 05:21.48 | rcbarnes | I guess that should work. Thanks. |
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| 05:22.09 | karsten | ardya: custom ifup/ifdown commands. You can also specify what does/doesn't happen via dhcp. |
| 05:22.14 | Vasistha | ardya: what's the reason you don't want /etc/resolv.conf to get overwritten? Do you need to change it back when you make the static connection again? |
| 05:22.41 | ardya | Vasistha: I'm using ipv6 dns ip in resolv.conf |
| 05:22.57 | ardya | dhcpd doesnt permit ipv6 addresses in its conf |
| 05:23.08 | karsten | ardya: You can also keep a few /etc/resov.conf-custom-value files around and cat them into /etc/resolv.conf as needed. |
| 05:23.49 | ardya | so /etc/network/ifup.d/ ? |
| 05:24.31 | karsten | ardya: Yeah, I think there's a dhcp-specific way to do it as well. |
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| 05:25.00 | ardya | found in which init script? |
| 05:25.01 | Vasistha | ardya: well anyway, I've done a lot of switching back and forth between static ip and dhcp situations, and the resolvconf package has been very useful for me recently |
| 05:25.18 | karsten | ardya: man 5 dhclient.conf |
| 05:26.11 | ardya | ok thanks guys, I'll look at all that |
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| 05:30.56 | TheBonsai | oh, after sending (pfff) i saw http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314323 |
| 05:31.33 | TheBonsai | but it looks... unmaintained... a bit |
| 05:33.10 | dondelelcaro | TheBonsai: submit patches! |
| 05:34.22 | TheBonsai | i don't have patches. all i know is that it is an internal regex engine (from ldd), not more ;) |
| 05:34.34 | Vasistha | hum, it looks like the submitted patch has not been integrated |
| 05:35.11 | TheBonsai | yea. the bug is 2 years old. but i guess that can't be true, because i'm not the only one that ever saw mawk on debain |
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| 05:38.15 | TheBonsai | uh....time |
| 05:38.16 | TheBonsai | damn |
| 05:38.18 | TheBonsai | bye! |
| 05:39.17 | rvalles | there's some trouble. http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/20080522/images/ lacks floppy images |
| 05:40.06 | rvalles | and latest version with floppy images complains that the mirror doesn't have the modules for its kernel |
| 05:40.15 | rvalles | can't install like this. |
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| 05:42.43 | dondelelcaro | rvalles: if you need to use floppies, use one of the stable releases. |
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| 05:43.42 | mimcpher | rvalles, installing from floppies? niiiiice. |
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| 05:44.41 | rvalles | dondelelcaro: what a pain. |
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| 05:45.25 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 05:45.31 | Chris-NB | is it possible to use pam to auth against a radius server where the user only exists in radius and not local on the server? |
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| 05:45.50 | mimcpher | rvalles, the obvious question I have is why are you installing unstable from floppies? |
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| 05:47.31 | rvalles | mimcpher: nonworking cdrom on that box |
| 05:47.42 | rvalles | and it doesn't have network boot support, either |
| 05:47.58 | rvalles | could put another cd, but too lazy (specially when it doesn't need that for anything else) |
| 05:48.09 | Chris-NB | or does the user has to exist locally too? |
| 05:48.15 | rvalles | boot/root/net-drivers and go. Floppies are confortable. |
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| 05:49.00 | rvalles | I guess I'll go look at testing |
| 05:49.05 | rvalles | and later just upgrade to unstable |
| 05:50.15 | rvalles | grr, can't believe this, testing doesn't have floppies on their current, either |
| 05:50.25 | Vasistha | rvalles: why don't you look at STABLE and later upgrade to testing/unstable? :) there's not a working OS on the machine already, is there? |
| 05:50.48 | rvalles | Vasistha: no, there isn't |
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| 05:54.09 | mimcpher | rvalles, why do you want to run unstable on the machine anyways? Its kinda, you know, unstable. |
| 05:54.26 | rvalles | mimcpher: because I sorta like it |
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| 05:55.14 | null__ | Question: How do I change my open files limit? ulimit -n unlimited gives 'bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted' |
| 05:55.35 | \amethyst | null__: man limits.conf |
| 05:55.45 | null__ | thanks |
| 05:55.58 | \amethyst | null__: you'll have to log out and back in for changes to take effect |
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| 05:56.13 | Bortex | Hi, please join irc://irc.foonetic.net/xkcd for a moment, I need help configuring debian Linux |
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| 05:56.30 | null__ | I... don't have a manual entry for limits.conf :( |
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| 05:58.32 | null__ | I figured it out, thanks |
| 05:58.33 | \amethyst | null__: oh, I guess etch doesn't have the pam manpages. look in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 05:58.43 | null__ | yes thank you |
| 05:58.52 | wd | have sarge installed, 2.4 kernel, downloaded firefox 2.0, no ./conifgure file but have run-mozilla.sh however that doesn't work how do you run mozilla.sh? |
| 05:59.25 | \amethyst | wd: ./run-mozilla.sh perhaps? |
| 05:59.40 | \amethyst | if it's not executable, sh ./run-mozilla.sh |
| 05:59.41 | wd | \amethyst: not working |
| 05:59.49 | wd | ok |
| 06:00.11 | wd | debian:/usr/local/src/firefox# ./run-mozilla.sh |
| 06:00.11 | wd | run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute . |
| 06:00.34 | \amethyst | wd: what does the first line of the file say? |
| 06:00.44 | wd | checking |
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| 06:01.06 | TiMiDo | hey I'm trying to make a packaged but im getting this error |
| 06:01.09 | TiMiDo | Source archive you specified ( ../mdk-1.2.4 ) was not found! |
| 06:01.11 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 06:01.36 | wd | \amethyst: #!/bin/sh |
| 06:02.03 | \amethyst | wd: hm, no idea them |
| 06:02.04 | \amethyst | then |
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| 06:02.15 | \amethyst | wd: maybe #firefox can help |
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| 06:02.20 | wd | ok |
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| 06:03.18 | wd | ² |
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| 06:04.02 | null__ | \amethyst: logging out did not change the limit from 1024 to 10000 as I set it, hmm |
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| 06:06.19 | rvalles | does upgrading stable -> unstable work? |
| 06:06.25 | rvalles | or I should go through testing? |
| 06:06.59 | __ryan__ | i like my etchnhalf |
| 06:07.36 | dondelelcaro | rvalles: generally it works. |
| 06:07.45 | troubled | null__: are you resuming a screen session or anything? |
| 06:08.07 | null__ | troubled: yes I am resuming a screen session |
| 06:08.18 | troubled | null__: then it wont take affect |
| 06:08.24 | null__ | so I have to kill screen? |
| 06:08.28 | troubled | yes |
| 06:08.31 | null__ | :'( |
| 06:08.39 | troubled | screen keeps the old settings alive so to speak |
| 06:08.44 | null__ | ah |
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| 06:09.23 | echelon | how do you extract a .deb file without installing it? |
| 06:09.39 | troubled | ar command is one part iirc echelon |
| 06:09.43 | troubled | !ar |
| 06:09.43 | dpkg | methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 06:10.08 | echelon | troubled: if you dont have debian |
| 06:10.17 | null__ | !he |
| 06:10.17 | dpkg | he is, like, alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. |
| 06:10.24 | troubled | echelon: ar should be available on many diff linux distros |
| 06:10.28 | echelon | ok |
| 06:10.30 | echelon | cool |
| 06:10.36 | null__ | !bush |
| 06:10.36 | dpkg | somebody said bush was chick plumbing, or the current President and the Dictator of the World, or a shrubbery, or a moron |
| 06:11.14 | null__ | !ubuntu |
| 06:11.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 06:11.31 | troubled | null__: dont abuse the bots |
| 06:11.55 | null__ | but i like him |
| 06:12.07 | __ryan__ | him? |
| 06:12.13 | null__ | <3 |
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| 06:31.05 | Appiah | I cant seam to find a package that includes snmptrap , just snmptrapfmt and snmptrapd |
| 06:31.20 | Appiah | Is there no available for debian? |
| 06:32.52 | AceLan | Appiah: snmp: /usr/bin/snmptrap |
| 06:33.13 | Appiah | wonder why I dont get that on packages.debian.org |
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| 06:33.27 | Appiah | thanks AceLan |
| 06:33.31 | Vasistha | Appiah: it is probably included inside another package with a different name |
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| 06:36.11 | Appiah | Vasistha: ye my bad , I was searching "Package directories" and not "The contents of packages" |
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| 06:45.37 | tmroland | i have debian 4 text mode on a server, i have cups,i have a brother MFC7420 multifunctional printer (scan copy fax) attached to it via usb, linux sees usb device attached, i installed brother-supplied cups wrapper driver for my printer, it shows up in printers.conf but i cant print anything. whats wrong pls help |
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| 06:54.55 | Vasistha | tmroland: is cups running? |
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| 06:56.12 | tmroland | Vasistha : yes cupsd is running |
| 06:56.35 | Vasistha | tmroland: have you gone to localhost:631 in your web browser and poked around? |
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| 06:57.21 | tmroland | just put *:631 in cupsd.conf Listen and when i go to 192.168.1.8:631 i get 403 Forbbiden what have i forgot? |
| 06:58.01 | Vasistha | why are you going to 192.168.1.8 instead of localhost |
| 06:58.30 | tmroland | i am configuring it from my ubuntu gui laptop , i dont want to use server,s links/lynx browser |
| 06:58.35 | tmroland | i just need to configure it from laptop |
| 06:58.36 | tmroland | its on same lan |
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| 07:00.34 | wols_ | tell cups to actually accep connection from the LAN |
| 07:01.41 | tmroland | isnt that configured in the Listen directiv of cupsd.conf ? |
| 07:02.23 | Vasistha | has cups reread the .conf since the edit? you may need to restart it |
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| 07:02.40 | tmroland | i restarted it after i modified the fil |
| 07:02.42 | tmroland | file |
| 07:03.01 | tmroland | also in my router i have 631 port forwarded to server |
| 07:03.05 | tmroland | so nothing blocks the port |
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| 07:03.40 | Vasistha | tmroland: have you checked your firewall? |
| 07:03.43 | tmroland | i also run https webmin on port 10000 works fine |
| 07:04.41 | tmroland | firewall on the server? |
| 07:04.53 | tmroland | doesnt exist, i mean no rules are defined |
| 07:05.02 | tmroland | ony firwall is in my dsl modem |
| 07:05.14 | wols_ | tmroland: you forwarded the cups port on your router? do you want the whole internet to print at your place? |
| 07:05.33 | tmroland | hehe |
| 07:05.41 | tmroland | just to configure from my laptop |
| 07:05.44 | wols_ | this is not a laughing matter, I'm serious |
| 07:05.51 | wols_ | no that's no reason |
| 07:06.01 | wols_ | your laptop doesn't need this |
| 07:06.16 | tmroland | ok |
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| 07:06.32 | tmroland | basically i did add the printer in cups web interface and selected brother printer driver |
| 07:06.38 | tmroland | and it shows up ok there |
| 07:06.40 | tmroland | idle accepting jobs |
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| 07:07.10 | tmroland | cups driver : Brother MFC bla bla |
| 07:07.28 | wols_ | !enter |
| 07:07.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 07:08.31 | tmroland | ok so basically the driver just doesnt work |
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| 07:09.20 | tmroland | jobs enter the print queue and fail silentl |
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| 07:09.59 | tmroland | i wonder if using parallel instead of usb would change anything |
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| 07:13.57 | tmroland | do i also need to install the LPR Driver besides the cups wrapper driver? |
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| 07:15.20 | markybob | tmroland, are you showing proper love towards the lpr? |
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| 07:18.11 | tmroland | ? |
| 07:18.26 | nirupama | How to use a dvd in much effective way |
| 07:18.31 | nirupama | I have a 4GB dvd |
| 07:18.45 | nirupama | and used only 1.5 GB for iso image writing |
| 07:18.55 | nirupama | Its a dvd RW |
| 07:19.05 | nirupama | but rest of the space went wasted |
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| 07:19.29 | nirupama | Can I write two iso images in one DVD RW |
| 07:19.35 | nirupama | And can the two boot |
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| 07:22.10 | wols_ | !enter |
| 07:22.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 07:23.21 | nirupama | wols_, ok |
| 07:23.59 | nirupama | wols_, so can you let me know how to do the things.Using one single DVD RW for space usage |
| 07:24.11 | wols_ | and yes it's possible but not automatically you have to do it manually. |
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| 07:25.23 | nirupama | wols_, how |
| 07:26.16 | wols_ | I will to handhold you through the process |
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| 07:28.10 | __ryan__ | that's actually pretty useful, i would be interested in that too |
| 07:28.22 | __ryan__ | minus the hand holding |
| 07:29.26 | wols_ | you merge the two isos and use a el torito bootimage hat has a bootloaded which lets you choose which one to run/install/whatever |
| 07:29.37 | wols_ | possibly a 2nd track (multisession) can work too |
| 07:30.53 | tmroland | im unnable to connect to my server on 631 port for cups administration |
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| 07:31.42 | nirupama | wols_, ok |
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| 07:32.44 | wols_ | tmroland: what is the EXACT error? |
| 07:32.57 | tmroland | Unable to connect |
| 07:32.57 | tmroland | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:33.28 | tmroland | please forgive me |
| 07:33.32 | tmroland | i didnt know that would happen |
| 07:33.46 | eleetminds2008 | I have a problem, I would like to add a swap space on my computer but i only have one partition. sda1 and its using all the space is it possible to add a swap? |
| 07:34.00 | simonrvn | swap file yes |
| 07:34.03 | tmroland | i get unnable to connect in firefox : unable to establish a connection with the server at 192.168.1.8:631 |
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| 07:34.14 | tmroland | i can connect to 127.0.0.1:631 from server |
| 07:34.20 | eleetminds2008 | simonrvn, How would i do that? |
| 07:34.22 | tmroland | various pages show 403 forbiden |
| 07:34.59 | cahoot | tmroland: look at cupsd.conf |
| 07:35.08 | __ryan__ | !tell eleetminds2008 about swap file |
| 07:35.14 | tmroland | i modfiied it to allow connctions from my laptop's ip |
| 07:35.25 | tmroland | cahoot : and modifiend all other directives to allow from 192.168.1 |
| 07:35.38 | cahoot | and restarted? |
| 07:35.49 | tmroland | yes, restarted even the server |
| 07:36.41 | eleetminds2008 | im using irssi how do i view the pms? |
| 07:36.44 | tmroland | cahoot : could i paste my cupsd.conf on a site if u look ?? |
| 07:37.23 | __ryan__ | press alt followed by the number of the window eleetminds2008 |
| 07:37.29 | eleetminds2008 | aww thanks |
| 07:37.30 | __ryan__ | should say act 1,2,3,4,5 etc |
| 07:37.36 | eleetminds2008 | yep |
| 07:37.41 | eleetminds2008 | ³ |
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| 07:37.49 | eleetminds2008 | umm no go |
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| 07:38.05 | __ryan__ | haha i don't know then i use alt-# |
| 07:38.12 | __ryan__ | maybe there's another way |
| 07:38.15 | eleetminds2008 | hmm |
| 07:38.23 | __ryan__ | i imagine theres an irssi channel |
| 07:38.28 | __ryan__ | for hlep with that |
| 07:38.34 | eleetminds2008 | yea im going to press all the keys |
| 07:38.53 | KineticBug | Best way to remove all recently installed packages with synaptic package manger? |
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| 07:39.10 | sniff` | why do i get a 404 on linux krenel image 2.6.24 on lenny? |
| 07:40.34 | eleetminds2008 | !swap file |
| 07:40.34 | dpkg | well, swap file is An area of your hard drive that the computer uses for RAM. Although slower, it is usually much more abundant., but see man mkswap && man swapon |
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| 07:41.18 | Vasistha | KineticBug: I don't know that synaptic will tell you WHEN a package was installed, but you could definitely check out /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:41.37 | sniff` | anyone? |
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| 07:42.15 | Vasistha | eleetminds2008: another option would be to resize your partition, e.g. with parted. If you consider this route, you should definitely back up your data first. Also note that this problem of yours is why people use lvm nowadays ;) |
| 07:42.47 | eleetminds2008 | how many blocks should i use for the swap my ram is 512mb |
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| 07:43.10 | Sid | My friend was asking if he should switch to Fedora 9 or wait for OpenSUSE 11 for his home computer, any suggestions? |
| 07:43.14 | eleetminds2008 | Vasistha thank you for that i will look at lvm |
| 07:43.23 | nixguy | Sid: why not ubuntu? |
| 07:43.26 | __ryan__ | i prefer gparted but that's just me lol |
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| 07:43.41 | __ryan__ | i use the gparted live cd makes life easy |
| 07:43.44 | Sid | nixguy: Because hibernation only works on 2.6.25 for him |
| 07:43.45 | MrWGW- | with Debian, is it possible to do a network install, and is it as easy as with FreeBSD? |
| 07:43.53 | Vasistha | Sid: why are you asking this question in #debian ? I don't know the first thing about fedora or suse |
| 07:43.58 | MrWGW- | where you just put in one CD, and it has the URLs of your servers, and downloads what it needs? |
| 07:44.05 | Sid | Vasistha: Maybe others do |
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| 07:44.16 | Vasistha | MrWGW-: that's pretty much what the debian net install does |
| 07:44.22 | fireba11 | Vasistha: well i know suse sucks :-) |
| 07:44.23 | MrWGW- | cool |
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| 07:44.40 | MrWGW- | fireba11: SuSE does not suck |
| 07:44.42 | eleetminds2008 | oh vasitha im using a eeepc so i thought swap files would be bad for the sd card |
| 07:44.45 | MrWGW- | Novell does |
| 07:44.48 | MrWGW- | but that's another matter entirely |
| 07:44.57 | Vasistha | MrWGW-: another nice touch is that if the machine is not connected to a network, the netinst cd will install a basic functional system |
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| 07:44.59 | fireba11 | MrWGW-: i had to use it at work for 3 years .. ;-) |
| 07:45.43 | MrWGW- | SuSE is one of the few distros that supports seamless 32 bit and 64 bit operation on x64 systems, and its been rock solid in my experience (more so than other distros) |
| 07:45.47 | Vasistha | eleetminds2008: are you sure you need swap? are you running out of memory? keep in mind that the linux kernel will tend to actually *use* memory by *caching* stuff; and if the need arises, cached stuff is thrown out to make space for "real" memory usage |
| 07:45.49 | MrWGW- | I will readily concede that YaST is a little...slow |
| 07:46.00 | MrWGW- | that is rumored to be corrected in SuSE 11 so we'll see |
| 07:46.15 | eleetminds2008 | Vasistha how can i check memory usage? |
| 07:46.18 | fireba11 | hm .. anyone got a script to push a couple files to a FTP ? i'm afraid i got no other option to access the storage and i need it for a cronjob |
| 07:46.19 | sniff` | whats YaST? |
| 07:46.20 | Sid | MrWGW: Yeah, they have a new yum which is supposedly faster than apt-get |
| 07:46.24 | MrWGW- | my main gripe with SuSE is that it uses a non standard kernel and lacks support for booting from JFS or XFS |
| 07:46.28 | Sid | MrWGW: But only by a bit |
| 07:46.31 | wols_ | sniff`: something not debian related |
| 07:46.41 | sniff` | wols_ lol |
| 07:46.44 | wols_ | MrWGW-: do you have any _debian_ related questions? |
| 07:46.51 | __ryan__ | eleetminds2008, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:47.04 | MrWGW- | sniff: its a GUI system control utility, it provides package management and control over nearly all system functions (in contrast to Aptitude) |
| 07:47.10 | MrWGW- | wols_: I had one, and it was answere |
| 07:47.12 | Vasistha | fireba11: I don't know if it's appropriate for your task, but I use curlftpfs |
| 07:47.14 | MrWGW- | and I have another: |
| 07:47.23 | MrWGW- | I have a client who wants the latest versions of Perl and Python |
| 07:47.27 | MrWGW- | but isn't picky about the rest |
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| 07:47.47 | MrWGW- | they're using what looks like Woody (ancient 2.4 kernel, I haven't seen their system yet, but I reckon it is woody, or older) |
| 07:47.48 | eleetminds2008 | My web pages load very slowly and i have a very good internet service. my father inlaws computer down stairs microcrap pops pages up really quick. And m$ is alot heavier then my little fvwm wmd 300 mb netinstall computer |
| 07:47.53 | simonrvn | wonders when the trolls will leave |
| 07:47.59 | MrWGW- | should I put them on Etch and then manually compile the latest Perl and Python? |
| 07:48.03 | fireba11 | Vasistha: well it's a backup storage provided by the hoster .. so i basically have to delete everything on it and upload a couple files then. with ftp login and all |
| 07:48.04 | MrWGW- | or should I put them on Sid or Lenny? |
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| 07:48.33 | wols_ | MrWGW-: no. you will break their debian. but you should upgrade to a supported version. sarge and earlier is EOL |
| 07:48.38 | fireba11 | MrWGW-: neither. use etch and backports of compile it if you need a newer version |
| 07:48.42 | MrWGW- | eleetminds: its probably your web browser is somewhat broken |
| 07:48.48 | MrWGW- | you could try upgrading to FF 3 or install Opera perhaps |
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| 07:48.53 | MrWGW- | FF2 is ... sl0w |
| 07:48.55 | wols_ | fireba11: now you tell me how to do that with perl so dpkg doesn't balk? |
| 07:49.08 | eleetminds2008 | LowFree: 151772 kB |
| 07:49.08 | eleetminds2008 | SwapTotal: 0 kB |
| 07:49.16 | MrWGW- | wols_: they want a total reinstall, but they still want it to be Debian |
| 07:49.17 | eleetminds2008 | damn it. |
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| 07:49.20 | MrWGW- | all I'm saving is their /home partition |
| 07:49.22 | eleetminds2008 | sorry for paste |
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| 07:49.30 | MrWGW- | everything else gets nuked, aside from a few config files (which hopefully will still work) |
| 07:49.32 | fireba11 | wols_: isntalling one from backports should work, no ? |
| 07:49.33 | stefano | hi everybody. I have to set-up a Xen machine having a OS in Dom-0 (I was thinking of Debian Etch) and 4/5 Dom-us. Is the 3.0.3 Xen version in Etch ok or should I find something newer? |
| 07:49.34 | __ryan__ | you want the first two lines, eleetminds2008 |
| 07:49.39 | wols_ | fireba11: no |
| 07:49.42 | Sid | MrWGW: What do you mean by non standard kernel |
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| 07:50.06 | fireba11 | wols_: why not ? |
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| 07:50.08 | wols_ | fireba11: mostly because there is no backport! |
| 07:50.12 | fireba11 | ah |
| 07:50.25 | wols_ | starts to agree with simonrvn |
| 07:50.36 | MrWGW- | # /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/ntp.conf |
| 07:50.51 | MrWGW- | preserving the old versions of those files shouldn't cause a problem if migrating from Woody to Etch I'd assume? |
| 07:51.07 | wols_ | MrWGW-: hint: save your full /etc. with a list like the above you will get a LOT of grief |
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| 07:51.37 | eleetminds2008 | Any idea on why my netpages load like im running dial up? My father in laws computer M$ loads pages like no tomorrow click and bam your there my system very light might i add takes forever. |
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| 07:51.41 | MrWGW- | I most definitely will |
| 07:51.49 | eleetminds2008 | looks like i have enough memory |
| 07:51.50 | MrWGW- | "You swine! I told you to preserve that config file!" |
| 07:51.56 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: cause your box is totally and utterly memory starved for a browser |
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| 07:52.16 | MrWGW- | also that way if this dude has forgotten anything he won't be SOL |
| 07:52.25 | MrWGW- | if there's no room for backing it up to his /home, I'll back it up to a CD or something |
| 07:52.29 | enos | anyone know how i can check the version of xorg thats installed on my system? |
| 07:52.37 | MrWGW- | but you see any problems with reusing those files? |
| 07:52.38 | wols_ | MrWGW-: he will have no more mail for starters from that box. I'm sure he will be pleased |
| 07:52.40 | eleetminds2008 | wols how do i make more memory with swap |
| 07:52.41 | simonrvn | !version |
| 07:52.41 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 07:52.51 | wols_ | enos: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg |
| 07:52.59 | enos | wols_: Thanks! |
| 07:53.22 | MrWGW- | as an aside, I find it beneficial to pipe output like that into more, by default, regardless of whether or not you think you'll need it |
| 07:53.27 | MrWGW- | saves you from having to rerun the command at any rate |
| 07:53.31 | __ryan__ | eleetminds2008, man mkswap && man swapon |
| 07:53.32 | MrWGW- | pipe it into more or less |
| 07:53.37 | __ryan__ | told you that already |
| 07:53.52 | eleetminds2008 | here is my memory VmallocTotal: 516088 kB |
| 07:53.53 | eleetminds2008 | VmallocUsed: 5132 kB |
| 07:53.53 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: what cpu do you have and how fast? |
| 07:54.08 | eleetminds2008 | umm |
| 07:54.14 | eleetminds2008 | wols grep command for that |
| 07:54.15 | wols_ | ok, 500MB should be enough |
| 07:54.27 | eleetminds2008 | yea i copied the wrong oen |
| 07:54.30 | __ryan__ | isnt vm video memory? |
| 07:54.31 | eleetminds2008 | one |
| 07:54.36 | wols_ | __ryan__: no |
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| 07:54.58 | Vasistha | virtual memory, ie swap |
| 07:54.58 | eleetminds2008 | wols okay my computer is eeepc 800 mhz |
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| 07:55.10 | eleetminds2008 | but it doesnt run that speed |
| 07:55.19 | eleetminds2008 | i dont know how fast its running |
| 07:55.21 | sniff` | isnt eeepc underclocked? |
| 07:55.25 | eleetminds2008 | i know they underclocked it |
| 07:55.27 | eleetminds2008 | yea |
| 07:55.28 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:55.53 | Vasistha | eleetminds2008: at any rate, an 800 mhz box is going to take some time to interpret javascript-heavy web pages |
| 07:56.35 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: what does the dpkg command I gaev you say? |
| 07:57.10 | eleetminds2008 | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library |
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| 07:58.04 | eleetminds2008 | vasistha takes about 1 minute to load www.google.com |
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| 07:58.13 | eleetminds2008 | :P |
| 07:58.19 | __ryan__ | that's retarded |
| 07:58.41 | eleetminds2008 | well wait im over doing it. let me count the seconds |
| 07:58.59 | __ryan__ | does it take just as long in a text based browser like links ? you should try |
| 07:59.08 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: try wget google.com |
| 07:59.14 | __ryan__ | or that.. |
| 07:59.19 | eleetminds2008 | about 30 seconds |
| 07:59.23 | eleetminds2008 | k |
| 08:00.08 | eleetminds2008 | [ <=> ] 6,203 --.-K/s in 0.02s |
| 08:00.21 | eleetminds2008 | and that way is faster |
| 08:00.54 | wols_ | check if you have a process hogging CPU. and check you use proper intel 2D drivers |
| 08:01.25 | eleetminds2008 | i used the debian eeepc netinstall comes with the drivers. |
| 08:02.24 | eleetminds2008 | i know if i use Ubuncrap the pages load up quick. |
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| 08:03.14 | eleetminds2008 | I like debain alot and i cant figure out why its loading so slowly. I am also using iceweasel i dont know if that has anything to do with it? |
| 08:03.38 | eleetminds2008 | i tried dillo but its the same thing. |
| 08:03.43 | __ryan__ | try using links eleetminds2008 it's text based |
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| 08:03.53 | sniff` | lynx? |
| 08:04.04 | __ryan__ | there's links too.. |
| 08:04.07 | sniff` | iceweasel sux :p |
| 08:04.08 | __ryan__ | not sure which one is older |
| 08:04.09 | sniff` | try IE p: |
| 08:04.24 | tmroland | how do i veify that port 631 is open and accesible and packets can pass trough it on my 192.168.1.8 debian box ? |
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| 08:05.10 | eleetminds2008 | sniff i use iceweasel because of the pkg size and i can use the flash plugins. IE p? |
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| 08:06.08 | sniff` | i was kidding, IE would need some emulator or w/e |
| 08:06.38 | sauvin | eleetminds2008, um, what are you saying? |
| 08:06.45 | eleetminds2008 | sniff that runs in wine haha i know what your talking about |
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| 08:07.20 | eleetminds2008 | sauvin my internet pages load slow but with wget www.google.com its fast. |
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| 08:07.34 | Jemt | Greetz. I want to hold back new kernel images on my installation. Performing "dpkg --get-selections" gives me a list with two kernel entries (linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686). Is it possible to hold back both (and future packages - ie 2.6.19) using one command? Something like: echo linux-image* hold| dpkg --set-selections (the wild card is probably not necessary - don't know) |
| 08:07.38 | sauvin | eleetminds2008, which flash player are you using? |
| 08:07.50 | eleetminds2008 | flash 9 |
| 08:07.57 | sauvin | Adobe? |
| 08:08.01 | eleetminds2008 | yes |
| 08:08.05 | __ryan__ | that wouldn't have issues with google loading |
| 08:08.06 | sauvin | What site is loading slowly? |
| 08:08.11 | eleetminds2008 | google |
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| 08:08.18 | eleetminds2008 | thats a minimal site |
| 08:08.33 | eleetminds2008 | and takes 30seconds with my laptop |
| 08:08.37 | sauvin | o.O |
| 08:08.49 | sauvin | That's a LOT. You must have something else running. |
| 08:08.52 | eleetminds2008 | my internet speed is 2000kbs up and 2000kbs down |
| 08:08.59 | __ryan__ | does aptitude run at good speeds eleetminds2008 ? |
| 08:09.03 | eleetminds2008 | yep |
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| 08:09.12 | __ryan__ | you running gnome? |
| 08:09.14 | eleetminds2008 | 600kbs some times a meg |
| 08:09.14 | sauvin | I use firefox and iceweasel, even on Windows, and google just SPLATS. |
| 08:09.20 | eleetminds2008 | no im using FVWM |
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| 08:09.38 | eleetminds2008 | i know its really fast |
| 08:09.48 | Skratz0r | Anyone here compile Urban Terror? |
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| 08:09.59 | eleetminds2008 | some reason on this one its laggin |
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| 08:10.08 | sauvin | eleetminds2008, does it load slowly immediately after a cold boot? |
| 08:10.08 | eleetminds2008 | i ran ubuntu before and it splats |
| 08:10.15 | eleetminds2008 | haha |
| 08:10.21 | Skratz0r | Anyone here compile Urban Terror? |
| 08:10.27 | Skratz0r | Oh; i said it once |
| 08:10.29 | eleetminds2008 | immediatly all the time |
| 08:10.33 | __ryan__ | well maybe it is the memory.. |
| 08:10.35 | eleetminds2008 | cold new |
| 08:10.48 | eleetminds2008 | 500mb + |
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| 08:11.10 | eleetminds2008 | it cant be the memory i ran ubuntu no swap and the thing ran good |
| 08:11.14 | sauvin | I don't think it's the memory. There's something competing with firefox, or interfering with it. I have debian running iceweasel and the [honk] is [beep]ing fast. |
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| 08:11.21 | __ryan__ | video drivers maybe? |
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| 08:11.35 | eleetminds2008 | why the video |
| 08:11.42 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: I asked you to check two things. have you done this by now? |
| 08:11.48 | eleetminds2008 | yes |
| 08:11.50 | kevin_ | Is there any simple way to revert all packages that you've installed / downloaded through apt and bring the installed back to the original? |
| 08:11.52 | eleetminds2008 | all my drivers are correct |
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| 08:12.30 | eleetminds2008 | the cpu isnt memory hogging |
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| 08:12.30 | sauvin | I'd rule out video, too, unless there are non-browser issues also noted associated with redraws. |
| 08:12.30 | sauvin | Misconfigured, maybe? Bad proxy? |
| 08:12.30 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: how do you KNOW? also I asked 2 things |
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| 08:12.32 | sauvin | Bad firewall? |
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| 08:13.27 | eleetminds2008 | wols because i did research before buying the computer. I ran ubuntu fine with no swap pages played grab ass all day. It ran fast now i have a minimal install and the internet runs slow |
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| 08:13.45 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: come back if you actually can answer my question. good day |
| 08:13.55 | eleetminds2008 | Drivers are fine. The debian installer loads them up |
| 08:14.04 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: BULL SHIT |
| 08:14.20 | eleetminds2008 | read it eeepc debian netinstaller |
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| 08:14.35 | eleetminds2008 | it grabs repos from the eeepc repos |
| 08:14.49 | eleetminds2008 | i know the drivers are good wols |
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| 08:16.07 | __ryan__ | eleetminds2008, aptitude install links |
| 08:16.14 | __ryan__ | try using that text based browser and see if it's slow |
| 08:16.21 | eleetminds2008 | deb http://eeepc.debian.net/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 08:16.38 | eleetminds2008 | alright |
| 08:16.46 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.53 | __ryan__ | that should 'splat' x2 |
| 08:16.54 | eleetminds2008 | wols thats the repo for all my drivers |
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| 08:17.48 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: please stop talking to me until you can answer my two questions |
| 08:17.57 | eleetminds2008 | what are your two questions |
| 08:18.05 | wols_ | eleetminds2008: please stop talking to me until you can answer my two questions |
| 08:18.09 | eleetminds2008 | what drivers and cpu memory hog right? |
| 08:18.37 | stanis_sh | hello guys. is there anybody familiar with xkb configuration? I've got a huge problem I can't solve. |
| 08:18.49 | wols_ | !tell stanis_sh about anyone |
| 08:18.57 | sander_1 | hello is it possible to restrict users on you linux system to see all other processes? like restricting ps aux only to see there own processes |
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| 08:19.15 | eleetminds2008 | my cpu The Intel Celeron M CPU |
| 08:19.26 | \amethyst | !vserver |
| 08:19.26 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 08:19.33 | tmroland | i have debian 4 text mode on a server, i have cups,i have a brother MFC7420 multifunctional printer (scan copy fax) attached to it via usb, linux sees usb device attached, i installed brother-supplied cups wrapper driver for my printer, it shows up in printers.conf but i cant print anything. whats wrong pls help |
| 08:19.35 | eleetminds2008 | drivers i dont know how to check the cpu drivers |
| 08:19.44 | wols_ | wonders what cpu drivers are |
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| 08:19.56 | eleetminds2008 | wols you asked me what drivers? |
| 08:19.58 | stanis_sh | Thank you sir. I have a real question. I am adding the option compose:ralt to my xorg.conf keyboard section but it doesn't work. |
| 08:20.09 | __ryan__ | he asked if your cpu was hogging any memory.. |
| 08:20.18 | __ryan__ | to look for memory hogging apps |
| 08:20.31 | wols_ | __ryan__: I wasn't. a cpu never "hogs memory" |
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| 08:20.36 | wols_ | that's nonsensical |
| 08:20.36 | sander_1 | i don't need a jail or something else , but only that local users can't see the processes of other users |
| 08:21.16 | __ryan__ | <wols_> check if you have a process hogging CPU. and check you use proper intel 2D drivers |
| 08:21.51 | eleetminds2008 | my apps i only have these for apps iceweasel leafpad Fvwm Xterm xserver-xorg-core gimp thunar and irssi |
| 08:21.55 | wols_ | __ryan__: read until you find the word "memory" or "RAM" in ther. until you do: please stop telling me what I said |
| 08:22.07 | __ryan__ | i was posting that for his purpose not mine. |
| 08:22.19 | __ryan__ | or yours. |
| 08:22.30 | sauvin | eleetminds2008, do you understand what wols_ is talking about when he says "something hogging cpu"? |
| 08:23.01 | __ryan__ | and wols_ stop assuming i'm talking to you i don't remember addressing you |
| 08:23.05 | eleetminds2008 | okay wols cpu intel m celeron and 800mhz |
| 08:23.13 | eleetminds2008 | but its declocked |
| 08:23.18 | __ryan__ | eleetminds2008, you just failed |
| 08:23.19 | sauvin | That says what it is, but NOT what's using it. |
| 08:23.20 | eleetminds2008 | well under |
| 08:23.39 | \amethyst | eleetminds2008: run top. press capital P. What does the top line look like |
| 08:23.53 | eleetminds2008 | those are the two questions what cpu and how fast |
| 08:24.17 | sauvin | No, the two questions were "what's hogging your CPU" and "are you using proper Intel 2d drivers?" |
| 08:24.20 | __ryan__ | eleetminds2008, those weren't the questions . |
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| 08:25.19 | eleetminds2008 | i ran through all the post right now im pretty sure |
| 08:25.22 | tmroland | i have debian 4 text mode on a server, i have cups,i have a brother MFC7420 multifunctional printer (scan copy fax) attached to it via usb, linux sees usb device attached, i installed brother-supplied cups wrapper driver for my printer, it shows up in printers.conf but i cant print anything. whats wrong pls help |
| 08:25.58 | eleetminds2008 | check if you have a process hogging CPU. and check you use proper intel 2D drivers |
| 08:26.06 | eleetminds2008 | okay now ill go check that |
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| 08:26.16 | __ryan__ | use the top command like you were told |
| 08:26.26 | eleetminds2008 | oh yea |
| 08:26.35 | sauvin | was about to give up completely |
| 08:26.52 | wols_ | tmroland: answer my question I asked an hour or so ago |
| 08:26.58 | eleetminds2008 | i dont know how to check that |
| 08:27.07 | __ryan__ | and it's shift+pageup to scroll up in irssi eleetminds2008 |
| 08:27.12 | __ryan__ | incase you're not aware |
| 08:27.15 | eleetminds2008 | ill be back later |
| 08:27.20 | sauvin | corrects himself: he gives up |
| 08:27.21 | eleetminds2008 | ill google this and find out |
| 08:27.25 | wols_ | tmroland: sorry. just saw you did. make cups actually listen on all interfaces. not just localhost |
| 08:27.26 | tmroland | wols_ : dont remember, my chat log cleared itself, |
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| 08:28.27 | wols_ | tmroland: but next time tell is the exact error immediately. you said at first it gave you a 403. a 403 is TOTALLY different from "unable to connect". you could have saved an hour or two troubleshooting |
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| 08:30.03 | siculars_ | samba question... (samba room is sleeping) "getent group" returns local and AD data... "getent passwd" does not return AD data... some AD users work with "wbinfo -i username" others dont... what gives? etch, samba 3.0.24 |
| 08:30.31 | eleetminds2008 | !intel 2d |
| 08:30.47 | __ryan__ | there not a #samba ? |
| 08:30.48 | eleetminds2008 | !fuck im flustered |
| 08:31.11 | simonrvn | stop abusing the bot |
| 08:31.20 | wols_ | #samba is a bit of a, kinda silent channel. you gotta wait there |
| 08:31.24 | __ryan__ | ah |
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| 08:31.46 | eleetminds2008 | aright ill just deal with the slow pages have a good day. |
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| 08:32.30 | __ryan__ | i believe i read somewhere no matter how 'slow' the other channel is it's not #debian 's problem :P |
| 08:32.42 | __ryan__ | not sure if it was here or another debian chan somewhere lol |
| 08:32.55 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.12 | siculars_ | hey , no worries mate... relax. |
| 08:33.16 | wols_ | but since he runs etch, it sorta is our problem |
| 08:33.28 | __ryan__ | ah yeah that's what i read lol |
| 08:33.28 | wols_ | even when we can't solve it |
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| 08:35.22 | __ryan__ | "getent group" returns local and AD data returns alot of hits on google did you go through them by chance? |
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| 08:35.35 | siculars_ | im pretty sure it has to do with the idmap uid/sid mapping nonsense. whole thing went bonky when i did an apt-get upgrade to whatever vs this vs of debian is pushing |
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| 08:36.18 | sniff` | im trying to dist-upgrade but im getting tons of 404 errors (inculding for the 2.6.24 kernel!) |
| 08:36.24 | siculars_ | yaya... google is where i learned about all those cmds |
| 08:36.25 | tingle_ | hello, normally im connect whit my debian box to a router and then i got i-net but now im directly connected to the modem but i have no connection :/ can someone help me? |
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| 08:37.11 | __ryan__ | are you connected the same way tingle_ ? cable or wireless? |
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| 08:37.36 | tingle_ | __ryan__: jep im connected the same wire both wired but now i dont got a router between me and my modem |
| 08:37.43 | Vasistha | tingle_: maybe you need pppoeconf or something |
| 08:37.55 | __ryan__ | true, is it *dsl ? |
| 08:38.08 | tingle_ | __ryan__: no its cable |
| 08:38.23 | __ryan__ | ah usually cable doesn't need ppoe configuration as far as i know |
| 08:38.39 | tingle_ | do i need to change the host name? |
| 08:38.45 | __ryan__ | does your adapter show if under ifconfig |
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| 08:39.18 | tingle_ | __ryan__: yes |
| 08:39.20 | tmrolan1 | wols_ : did you receive my paste urls ? |
| 08:39.41 | __ryan__ | does dhlcient eth0 run? |
| 08:39.49 | __ryan__ | or eth1 w/e it is |
| 08:40.02 | tingle_ | __ryan__: can i check it whit ps x or top? |
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| 08:40.26 | __ryan__ | just type dhclient eth0 |
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| 08:41.45 | tingle_ | __ryan__: yes i runs but i got the ethernet cable connected to this win pc so i can ask for help |
| 08:41.59 | __ryan__ | oh.. |
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| 08:42.09 | tingle_ | __ryan__: that would work? |
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| 08:42.38 | __ryan__ | not sure if it will or not. |
| 08:42.47 | tingle_ | __ryan__: im gonna try it so ill leave thanks so far :) |
| 08:42.56 | sniff` | nvm i forgot to run aptitude update before the dist upgrade |
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| 08:43.49 | __ryan__ | upgrading to lenny? |
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| 08:45.31 | sniff` | yes |
| 08:46.03 | __ryan__ | i tried that and it broke a bunch of things lol, so i stuck with etchnhalf |
| 08:46.20 | sniff` | what did it brake? |
| 08:46.39 | sniff` | vreak |
| 08:46.40 | sniff` | brea |
| 08:46.43 | sniff` | blat! break |
| 08:46.49 | __ryan__ | i don't remember specifically |
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| 08:47.24 | __ryan__ | but it was easier to reinstall etch than fix i remember that:P but i hear it's different for everyone |
| 08:47.27 | sniff` | anything system wise? and what happened? |
| 08:48.02 | __ryan__ | i could still get a console |
| 08:48.11 | __ryan__ | no x no wifi |
| 08:48.37 | wols_ | tmrolan1: I told you what to do. and no paste urls anywhere |
| 08:48.47 | __ryan__ | etchnhalf has the 2.6.24 kernel it's good enough |
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| 08:49.14 | sniff` | yeah well i have lenny with sarge's kernel (the box had etch before :p) |
| 08:49.26 | __ryan__ | ah |
| 08:49.33 | __ryan__ | i'm a recent slackware convert |
| 08:49.39 | __ryan__ | debian makes everything so easy |
| 08:49.45 | sniff` | never used slackware |
| 08:50.00 | sniff` | actually other than redhat and debian i've never used anything (a tad ubuntu) |
| 08:50.04 | __ryan__ | i used it for 6 years |
| 08:50.11 | sniff` | anything linux, that is |
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| 08:50.46 | sniff` | i was doing dos->windows->redhad6 (i think)->windows->linux/windows |
| 08:50.52 | slxix | last time i used slackware was probably 1995. has it changed much? :) |
| 08:50.57 | sniff` | some bsdstuff nothing serious :p |
| 08:50.59 | __ryan__ | haha |
| 08:51.09 | __ryan__ | slxix, just a tad |
| 08:51.18 | __ryan__ | i bet the installer is the same though |
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| 08:53.01 | slxix | i don't remember it having anything distribution specific to aid in system/network administration. |
| 08:53.32 | __ryan__ | there's not much to aid with anything. |
| 08:53.52 | __ryan__ | although there is an apt clone but it's not even officialy supported |
| 08:55.02 | __ryan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.02 | sniff` | OT! :p |
| 08:55.05 | slxix | i was thinking the same. ;) but i understand why you think debian is easy. |
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| 08:55.57 | __ryan__ | haha not too easy though or i wouldn't always be asking questions here :P |
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| 08:56.52 | slxix | do you have a question that needs answering? |
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| 08:57.11 | raz0 | who would pick Slack today? :o Don't get it |
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| 08:57.26 | __ryan__ | raz0, exactly why i changed |
| 08:57.28 | Maulkin | This is a bit off topic. |
| 08:57.33 | Maulkin | Hugs and kisses, me. |
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| 08:58.11 | __ryan__ | no questions yet slxix, i'm sure once i'm done reading the debian webcam wiki and it doesn't work i will though :P |
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| 08:59.12 | __ryan__ | it's a built in webcam to my laptop uses usb i believe |
| 08:59.44 | slxix | what model laptop? |
| 08:59.51 | __ryan__ | hp dv6315 |
| 09:00.13 | __ryan__ | dual core..about a year old now |
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| 09:01.30 | __ryan__ | Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia that;s the only one that shows under lsusb so i assume that's it |
| 09:02.18 | trifler | I'm having some trouble with an old computor of mine. It can be on for ~20 days or so then just at one point it stops responding to ping and I can't ssh into it. If i plugg in a screen to it its all black. The machine in itself is still on though. Any ideas where i should look for clues? (aka what log file :)) |
| 09:03.12 | xand | trifler: /var/log/messages, syslog, daemon, kern.log... but if it's a hardware problem and it just hangs there will be nothing |
| 09:03.14 | cahoot | tried dmesg? |
| 09:03.29 | xand | oh and that |
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| 09:04.31 | xand | there's a key combo that might work involving sysrq, can't remember what it is c.c |
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| 09:05.37 | hellop | I have installed the package g++-3.4 which also installs gcc-3.4 into my bin directory. I have a program which requires the gcc binary. Should I install the gcc binary or make a symlink to gcc-3.4? |
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| 09:06.02 | hercules | hi |
| 09:06.12 | hellop | hello |
| 09:06.16 | sauvin | hellop, don't you already have gcc installed? |
| 09:06.17 | hercules | is there a way to make fglrx work on ati radeon 7000? |
| 09:06.25 | hellop | sauvin, no |
| 09:06.42 | hellop | locate gcc |grep bin |
| 09:06.59 | hellop | returns only |
| 09:07.19 | xand | hellop: why that version of gcc? |
| 09:07.30 | sauvin | hellop, do a "which gcc" |
| 09:07.41 | hellop | sauvin, no output |
| 09:07.43 | xand | (it's old) |
| 09:08.01 | sauvin | hellop, which distro are you using? |
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| 09:08.08 | hellop | etch |
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| 09:08.18 | sauvin | ..? |
| 09:08.20 | xand | install build-essential |
| 09:08.24 | hellop | ok I guess it's simplist just to aptitude remove it and install gcc... |
| 09:08.42 | sauvin | Don't remove anything, just install build-essential, as xand says. |
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| 09:10.15 | hellop | If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this |
| 09:10.15 | hellop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.25 | hellop | I do not plan to build debian packages... |
| 09:10.30 | sauvin | can't imagine not having gcc... |
| 09:10.44 | hellop | sauvin, fresh install? |
| 09:11.05 | sauvin | I had gcc on fresh etch install, but not build-essential. |
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| 09:12.01 | xand | gcc isn't a standard package |
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| 09:12.19 | trifler | xand: Hmm well it is an old p3 500 it isen't exactly new :) |
| 09:12.43 | xand | trifler: clean the case :P could be overheating (clogged with dust) |
| 09:13.14 | sauvin | remembers a friend who rejuvenated a couple of floppy drives when he blew cat hair out of the write protect tab sensor |
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| 09:16.33 | hellop | thanks for the help guys |
| 09:16.55 | family | wols, I have been searching google looking for commands to see if my cpu is hogging processes and also to see about the intel 2 thing i cant find any info on this. |
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| 09:17.21 | sauvin | blinks |
| 09:17.32 | sauvin | Family, do you know what an xterm is? |
| 09:17.36 | family | yes |
| 09:17.44 | hellop | family use the "top" commmand |
| 09:17.49 | sauvin | Fire one up, and issue the command 'top' (without the quotes) |
| 09:18.01 | sauvin | Tell us the first two or three lines under the header. |
| 09:18.17 | family | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.17 | family | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.22 | family | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.29 | sauvin | I didn't mean a paste. |
| 09:18.34 | family | aww sorry |
| 09:19.09 | sauvin | xorg taking up 8.6% CPU. What speed is your cpu? |
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| 09:19.23 | family | not sure |
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| 09:19.38 | wols_ | sauvin: ~600MHZ |
| 09:19.42 | wols_ | more or less depending on model |
| 09:19.49 | Andreas_A | Is time drifts/skews common on vps´s? |
| 09:19.49 | family | oh yea when i move the dialogs around it jumps pretty bad |
| 09:19.53 | sniff` | !uswsusp |
| 09:19.59 | sauvin | hrm.. not terribly speedy, especially if it steps freqs. |
| 09:20.11 | slxix | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'cpu MHz' |
| 09:20.26 | wols_ | Andreas_A: yes |
| 09:20.36 | Andreas_A | How do I fix it? |
| 09:20.45 | Andreas_A | Let me rephrase. |
| 09:20.45 | family | cpu MHz : 571.386 |
| 09:20.51 | wols_ | Andreas_A: can't. it's the nature of the beast |
| 09:20.59 | Andreas_A | Can I fix it without involving the vps provider? |
| 09:21.14 | family | im going to overclock it, its suppose to be at 800mhz. |
| 09:21.17 | Andreas_A | Heh, I cant even set time with ntpdate or rdate. |
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| 09:21.40 | Andreas_A | And it's awfully wrong. :( |
| 09:21.42 | spectie | is it possible to make floppy images for amd64 ? |
| 09:21.43 | family | but i dont know why the xorg jumps to 39 % with a simple move of a dialog box |
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| 09:22.42 | hellop | family, my 2.6ghz XP box jumps to 41% so you're doing better then m |
| 09:22.47 | hellop | e |
| 09:22.50 | family | aww okay |
| 09:23.10 | family | i shook the heck out of the terminal and got it to goto 79 % |
| 09:23.17 | hellop | but, I am running a 3d game in the backround ;) |
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| 09:23.33 | aidehua | In associate croquet, are you allowed to roquet/croquet each ball once per hoop per turn, or just once per hoop? If I wait until my next turn, am I allowed to croquet again even if I haven't run a hoop since my last turn? |
| 09:23.34 | slxix | family: is your video accelerated? |
| 09:23.53 | family | umm not sure how do i get the gears |
| 09:24.01 | hellop | but when minimized the CPU is at 6% with only IRC, term, and firefox... |
| 09:24.38 | family | slxix the gears that spin around and tell the fps |
| 09:24.43 | sauvin | likes this... his 2.1 GHz normallly runs at 800 MHz |
| 09:24.52 | hellop | family, if you don't have a plug-in 3d video card, then it's probably not 3d accelerated, on a Motherboard from the year 2000 |
| 09:25.13 | streuner | !seen lSorenson |
| 09:25.13 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'lsorenson', streuner |
| 09:25.18 | family | i can run penguin racer and play trem barely |
| 09:25.22 | family | tremulous |
| 09:25.34 | family | but it laggs arse so i stoped playing trem |
| 09:26.05 | sauvin | Oh, tremulous without hardware acceleration just was NOT going to happen. |
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| 09:26.09 | hellop | you should overclock that thing to like 850mhz and make it a badass linux game machine |
| 09:26.17 | sauvin | Man, I mean, 2 FPS just wasn't going to cut it. |
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| 09:26.35 | sauvin | Overclocking means the possibility of premature heat death. |
| 09:26.38 | family | yea i get it to boot into tremulous and into the game then play a bit then it freezes up |
| 09:26.48 | hellop | little sarcasm there... |
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| 09:27.04 | family | sauvin theres alot of people running their eeepcs at 900 mhz |
| 09:27.22 | family | some 1 gig but thats the 900 mhz overclocked to 1 ghz |
| 09:27.31 | sauvin | Lot of people with more money than brains, i'll bet. |
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| 09:28.03 | family | actually my buddy has had his like that for a couple of years now |
| 09:28.41 | family | i am affraid to do it, so i probably wont but the web pages are killing me |
| 09:29.00 | family | im sure its not the cpu. but i know its something :P |
| 09:29.12 | sauvin | Well, see, even at 800 MHz, web pages load up plenty quick for me UNLESS I'm doing some massive downloading while surfing. |
| 09:29.17 | hellop | family, you've got an eeePC? |
| 09:29.21 | family | yep |
| 09:29.32 | family | hellop i can even run compiz-fusion |
| 09:29.35 | hellop | oh.. hmm did you reinstall or something? |
| 09:29.40 | hellop | yeah thats what I heard |
| 09:29.52 | family | umm yes i did a netinstall |
| 09:29.54 | hellop | so it does have some HW acceleration, right? |
| 09:30.01 | family | yes |
| 09:30.10 | family | and went with fvwm now |
| 09:30.19 | family | no compiz-for me this time |
| 09:30.50 | family | was pretty sweet though didnt lag. and ran pretty good with youtube open and like 6 games and 2 other apps |
| 09:31.04 | sauvin | gave up on compiz; much hype, not much useful functionality |
| 09:31.06 | family | then it started to get choppy |
| 09:31.40 | family | sauvin me too, is pretty neat to show someone but for every day function not for me. |
| 09:32.02 | family | so my top is okay? |
| 09:32.04 | hellop | well congrats on buying a made for linux laptop.. I tried to convince the GF to get one, but she got a giant XP laptop with Vista that won't play d/led Movies with any player... |
| 09:32.28 | family | haha my xbox does all that for me |
| 09:32.42 | hellop | ;) |
| 09:32.47 | family | it a 1 tb |
| 09:32.59 | family | with plenty of stuff :P |
| 09:32.59 | hellop | running linux of course? |
| 09:33.01 | family | yep |
| 09:33.02 | sauvin | I bought an HP with Vista installed on it, looked at Vista for a couple hours, and then repartitioned it to accept ubuntu. |
| 09:33.22 | family | even my razor is running linux |
| 09:33.27 | family | cell phone |
| 09:33.42 | sniff` | lol |
| 09:33.52 | family | its the openmoko project stuff |
| 09:34.10 | family | pretty sweet uses matchbox and a small x11 session |
| 09:34.13 | Raging_Hog | I'd love a shaving kit running Debian, tho it might be netbsd stuff |
| 09:34.19 | family | haha |
| 09:34.30 | hellop | I flashed linux onto a PIC microcontroller and taped it to my toaster.. linux toaster |
| 09:34.40 | family | rofl |
| 09:34.47 | sauvin | wonders if razors can be made to work with us cellular |
| 09:34.49 | hellop | j/k |
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| 09:35.55 | anonimus | http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_sorry_case_of_MPlayer |
| 09:35.58 | family | okay so now i know that my computer isnt process hogging. i was only running 3 apps. now what was the second one |
| 09:36.22 | family | oh yea the intel 2 thing |
| 09:36.34 | family | im pretty sure its also good |
| 09:36.49 | family | im thinking it has something to do with pv6 |
| 09:37.09 | family | or some thing i cant remember ipv6 |
| 09:37.30 | family | or the way the internet browser is cacheing |
| 09:37.32 | hellop | anonimus, you article doesn't mention how mplayer doesn't work in Vista most of the time |
| 09:37.49 | family | hellop vlc and done with it. |
| 09:37.56 | family | :P |
| 09:37.57 | sauvin | o.O |
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| 09:38.08 | hellop | but... but... mplayer |
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| 09:38.25 | family | nope mplayer is for debian silly hellop |
| 09:38.29 | sauvin | I've discovered that mplayer in vista isn't a very good idea. |
| 09:38.29 | family | haha |
| 09:38.53 | sauvin | uses mplayer almost exclusively |
| 09:39.10 | OpenTokix | sauvin: Are you sure it's mplayer that is the problem in that setup? =) |
| 09:39.12 | Jemt | Greetz. I want to hold back new kernel images on my installation. Performing "dpkg --get-selections" gives me a list with two kernel entries (linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686). Is it possible to hold back both (and future packages - ie 2.6.19) using one command? Something like: echo linux-image* hold| dpkg --set-selections (the wild card is probably not necessary - don't know) |
| 09:39.26 | family | just like how microsoft users tried to emulate our compiz-fusion haha |
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| 09:39.33 | sauvin | OpenTokix, it's not a knock against mplayer if it can't run on something that has trouble running ITSELF. |
| 09:39.55 | hellop | sauvin, to be fair, mplayer works better in Vista then Window Media Player |
| 09:40.03 | OpenTokix | sauvin: My point exactly =) |
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| 09:40.17 | stevil | how can i see which terminal encoding my linux box uses? because two of my systems give a different character encoding when im inside a screen session, now i've check that the $TERM variable is both set to xterm-color |
| 09:40.23 | hellop | At least you can see AND hear the video, behind the video corruption. |
| 09:40.32 | sauvin | hellop, I tried mplayer in vista. It was AWFUL. Just bloody AWFUL - and then it died. That's OK, though, most other things on vista die a lot. |
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| 09:40.42 | __ryan__ | does anyone with an hp laptop have their webcam drivers working? |
| 09:40.58 | sauvin | stevil, do a printenv | grep -i lang |
| 09:41.31 | stevil | sauvin: i don't have a "lang" variable in printevn :( |
| 09:41.33 | cahoot | __ryan__: the one in my dv9000 works ok (for basic use) |
| 09:41.48 | __ryan__ | cahoot, which driver are you using? |
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| 09:42.08 | family | yep everything is a okay. I think its just the way it caches just like damnsmalllinux i used it one time and damn that thing pops up pages faster then i can blink my eye. |
| 09:42.13 | cahoot | __ryan__: I'll turn it on and check |
| 09:42.17 | __ryan__ | thanks |
| 09:42.30 | family | then i went to use ubuntu and the popups were slower then dsl |
| 09:42.49 | PeHe | i can tell you that its pretty god damn embaressing to knock neighbours door at 1.00 night only wearing underwears and you got cat on armpit and asking if you can sleep there over night cos you have forgot your keys inside. Of course you are totally fucked up cos you have drinked beer and so on.. |
| 09:43.06 | sauvin | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:43.08 | hellop | PeHe is she hot? |
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| 09:43.28 | PeHe | hellop: she is he and 60 years old |
| 09:43.42 | grul | !svn |
| 09:43.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 09:44.00 | cahoot | __ryan__: it decided it wants a filesystem check first so it'll take some time |
| 09:44.08 | __ryan__ | lol k |
| 09:44.16 | sauvin | that rant against mplayer is, to say the very least, biased. To be a bit MORE accurate, hopelessly misinformed. |
| 09:44.31 | family | pehe thats a bad deal i would have went knocking until i found a hot chick and said i forgot my keys need a place to stay and hoped it worked out. |
| 09:44.41 | stevil | sauvin: yeah i don't have this LANG env variable, strange enough |
| 09:44.45 | stevil | sauvin: on neither of my systems |
| 09:44.54 | PeHe | family: haha, yea. |
| 09:45.00 | family | :P |
| 09:45.13 | sauvin | stevil, you may have to ask around about how to get locales set on your system(s). |
| 09:45.16 | family | although i have no shame, |
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| 09:45.48 | stevil | sauvin: k thanks for your time |
| 09:45.59 | rdz | hi all. how can i change the password of a user as root without knowing the user's current password? |
| 09:46.11 | spectie | rdz, passwd <user> |
| 09:46.16 | rdz | spectie, thanks |
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| 09:46.32 | sniff` | cya fellas |
| 09:48.32 | family | aright, Anyone have an idea on why the pages to the internet are comming up slow? |
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| 09:48.55 | __ryan__ | has deja vu |
| 09:48.58 | family | haha |
| 09:49.11 | spectie | family, contact your internet service provider |
| 09:49.16 | themill | family: it's because you haven't fed the hamster in your modem recently. |
| 09:49.33 | sauvin | va oublier qu'il comprend ce qu'il ecrit note brave family |
| 09:49.34 | family | spectie i have 2000kbs up and 2000 kbs down |
| 09:49.36 | spectie | perhaps they might be able to furnish you with an upgrade to your modem |
| 09:49.42 | maniacxs | family: what browser are you using? |
| 09:49.44 | family | i have cable |
| 09:49.49 | family | iceweasel |
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| 09:50.19 | family | the pc down stars M$ pops fast |
| 09:50.20 | sauvin | Well, you know, some of the sites I fear you might be visiting have heavy multimedia advertising load... |
| 09:50.30 | family | google? |
| 09:50.39 | family | 30 sec to load |
| 09:50.50 | family | on M$ 2 sec |
| 09:50.57 | sauvin | Oh, Google? I thought you said "gaggle". |
| 09:51.01 | spectie | evidently windows is better than linux |
| 09:51.11 | family | haha yea xxx.com and youporn.com |
| 09:51.17 | maniacxs | family: how do you define slow? you should take a mirror of something in the near of you and try with wget and check how fast it downloads something |
| 09:51.25 | sauvin | Windows IS better than linux - if you're an M$ shareholder. |
| 09:51.37 | cahoot | __ryan__: ry5u870 is the driver for the cam on my dv9000 |
| 09:51.39 | family | maniacxs its fast |
| 09:51.41 | spectie | family, have you tried pinging google from the downstairs computer and the upstairs computer ? |
| 09:51.47 | family | but the cache is slow |
| 09:51.50 | __ryan__ | cahoot, thanks i'll look it up and hopefully find it |
| 09:51.52 | spectie | have you tried using epiphany ? |
| 09:51.54 | family | maybe thats whats wrong |
| 09:51.57 | mactimes | Hi everyone. I have sort of a _long_ description for a problem I have. I'll start explaining and, if someone could get me answers, I would really appreciate. |
| 09:52.02 | family | cacheing problems |
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| 09:52.18 | maniacxs | family: i only noticed long time loading with konqueror |
| 09:52.22 | trifler | lm-sensors dosen't report that my hanged computor is warm at all. A big bummer though is that lm-sensors dosen't work on my other dell dimension 8200 machine :(( |
| 09:52.31 | cahoot | __ryan__: lsusb id is 05ca:1870 |
| 09:52.41 | sauvin | I've never managed to get lm-sensors working at all. |
| 09:52.58 | ArthurArchnix | I've got this script that reads a two names. If the first name isn't entered I exit, but if the second name isn't entered I just want to use the first name and append a number. But I'm not sure how to do that... 1. read second_name 2. if [ -z "$second_name" ]; then 3. second_name=$first_name+1 but obviously, that plus 1 won't work. |
| 09:53.22 | trifler | sauvin: It seems like my older own build machine has a sensor that the dell obiosuly dosen't |
| 09:53.24 | family | maniacxs heres my wget to google.com [ <=> ] 6,203 --.-K/s in 0.02s |
| 09:53.35 | family | .02s damn thats good |
| 09:53.39 | spectie | ArthurArchnix, second_name=$first_name"1" |
| 09:53.54 | ArthurArchnix | Awesome spectie... thanks. |
| 09:54.09 | trifler | sauvin: and thermal_zone dosen't work on that either so it's something fishy with that dell motherboard :S |
| 09:54.18 | family | epiphany ill check it out right now |
| 09:54.36 | mactimes | I currently manage some Windows networks for my customers. I intend to migrate all of my customers' networks to debian (server and workstations), but I have some doubts about how to make it in a way that customers won't suffer much impact oin their work during the process. |
| 09:54.45 | sauvin | Dude, it's a DELL! of COURSE it's fishy! |
| 09:54.54 | maniacxs | family: you should give a clean iceweasel a try. backup your ~/.mozilla if it is named like this in iceweasel and delete it, and retry |
| 09:55.05 | spectie | mactimes, move the servers first |
| 09:55.10 | spectie | mactimes, then think about moving the workstations |
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| 09:55.25 | spectie | mactimes, find out which applications and how your customers use |
| 09:55.25 | family | okay sounds good ill try it |
| 09:55.25 | mactimes | spectie: Thanks. I thought about doing that. |
| 09:55.30 | spectie | mactimes, and see if there are linux equivalents |
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| 09:55.50 | spectie | mactimes, generally it is a bad idea to move workstations to linux |
| 09:55.56 | spectie | you'll end up doing more work in tech support |
| 09:55.59 | mactimes | spectie: For most of them, there are. Most use only office stuff and web. |
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| 09:56.33 | family | be right bcak |
| 09:56.39 | family | *back |
| 09:56.48 | spectie | mactimes, how many workstations ? |
| 09:56.54 | spectie | if its 3-5 you might have a chance |
| 09:56.59 | trifler | sauvin: Right :) But I got it for free and it's allot better then my other p3 500 :) |
| 09:57.06 | spectie | if its >20 i'd say leave it with windows workstations and linux servers |
| 09:57.09 | mactimes | spectie: Fist customer I intend to migrate has nearly 40 stations. |
| 09:57.13 | trifler | it a staggering 1.7Ghz you see :) |
| 09:57.14 | spectie | until they come to install vista -- then move to linux |
| 09:57.15 | mactimes | First* |
| 09:57.34 | spectie | give them a choice between vista + linux and say that both will need them to change their working habits |
| 09:57.48 | sauvin | oh, yea. Moving from vista to linux is a definite two long steps FORWARD. |
| 09:58.04 | spectie | mactimes, i'm assuming at the moment they're using XP ? |
| 09:58.11 | OpenTokix | We avoid vista all together and is rolling out linux-clients =) |
| 09:58.25 | Raging_Hog | I doubt it's Linux whose fault it is, generally it is a bad idea to move workstations to *anything* as it is the change that hurts |
| 09:58.36 | spectie | Raging_Hog, exactly |
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| 09:59.04 | spectie | Raging_Hog, windows/mac/linux it doesn't matter |
| 09:59.07 | mactimes | spectie: Yes, they're running XP. And nah, it's ok, customers have tried debian on a _test it and feel it_ workstation I've set up at the office and they felt like it performs all they need. |
| 09:59.26 | spectie | mactimes, run an extended test |
| 09:59.41 | mactimes | spectie: Longer than 1 month? |
| 09:59.42 | spectie | and ask for anonymous feedback |
| 09:59.43 | Raging_Hog | right, "felt" is probably not enough |
| 09:59.52 | spectie | mactimes, how did you get the feedback ? |
| 10:00.00 | irwan_aja | hi all |
| 10:00.04 | mactimes | spectie: web page pool |
| 10:00.13 | irwan_aja | does anyone try lenny? |
| 10:00.14 | spectie | mactimes, like online survey ? |
| 10:00.16 | irwan_aja | is it good? |
| 10:00.25 | mactimes | spectie: Yup, like online survey. |
| 10:00.30 | spectie | mactimes, cool |
| 10:00.36 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: I dont get it, move workstations to anything? |
| 10:00.39 | mactimes | spectie: Because there are more users than PCs |
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| 10:00.52 | spectie | OpenTokix, change anything on a user's computer |
| 10:00.56 | spectie | OpenTokix, is generally a bad idea |
| 10:00.59 | Raging_Hog | OpenTokix: meaning that migrating from any OS to another is painful |
| 10:01.02 | spectie | in my experience |
| 10:01.05 | spectie | not just the OS |
| 10:01.06 | trifler | Has anyone in here tried vista for (like me) more then 5 minutes? It came prebundled on my laptop.. It was utter crap imho. |
| 10:01.07 | family | okay i downloaded epiphany but cant get it to run from the terminal. i typed epiphany and commands not found |
| 10:01.16 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: ahh,yeah |
| 10:01.17 | family | is it named something else? |
| 10:01.20 | spectie | moving an icon on the desktop |
| 10:01.21 | mactimes | spectie: Anyways, they loved debian. Now I have the following problems. |
| 10:01.23 | OpenTokix | Raging_Hog: but you keep all data central |
| 10:01.26 | OpenTokix | ahh, lunch |
| 10:01.27 | OpenTokix | bb |
| 10:01.27 | OpenTokix | l |
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| 10:01.34 | _NoxIn_ | trifler: my boss have a laptop under vista ... alas :( |
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| 10:02.31 | family | im using fvwm no icon to click i have to add it to my menu. |
| 10:02.52 | spectie | family, why on earth are you using fvwm ? |
| 10:03.10 | Raging_Hog | spectie: you're spot on. Most people who work daily with computers do just one simple thing and have immense trouble unpacking a zip with a gui app. Even the slightest change cost hours on such workstations |
| 10:03.11 | BW^- | hi! i'm trying to install the 2.6.25 kernel. all worked well until i tried to use mkinitrd. it doesn't exist, all i found was mkinitrd.yaird. i used it like cd /boot; mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.25 vmlinuz-2.6.25 , update-grub, and then rebooted. on boot the system complains that it doesn't find any block devices except the ram disk, and stops. |
| 10:03.13 | family | i like it :) except for the pages loading slow |
| 10:03.18 | spectie | Raging_Hog, yep |
| 10:03.21 | family | i made a theme for it too looks nice |
| 10:03.25 | BW^- | what do? did i forget to compile in SATA support into the kernel, or is it something else? |
| 10:03.30 | family | i call it BIO X |
| 10:03.42 | spectie | Raging_Hog, i've had people waste half a day because the icon was in the start menu not on the desktop |
| 10:03.52 | _NoxIn_ | family: have you trierd "dpkg -L epiphany | grep bin " |
| 10:03.53 | spectie | Raging_Hog, multiple times |
| 10:04.01 | mactimes | spectie: I cannot move all-at-once. I'll do it step-by-step. I'll start migrating the server. I know that, for Windows to work as a domain using a Linux PDC, I'll need OpenLDAP and Samba (am I missing anything?). But I don't know what debian will need to work in the mixed domain, until I migrate all XP workstations to debian. |
| 10:04.02 | spectie | (the same person more than once) |
| 10:04.17 | spectie | mactimes, i think you'll need samba-ng |
| 10:04.29 | family | noxin nothing |
| 10:04.35 | spectie | mactimes, but if you've not done it before, set yourself up a test network of a server/two + 3-4 workstations to try it on |
| 10:05.06 | BW^- | anyone here familiar with this prob? |
| 10:05.11 | spectie | Raging_Hog, i guess you've worked in tech support before :) |
| 10:05.17 | mactimes | spectie: samba-ng... what is the difference between this and samba? |
| 10:05.20 | wols_ | BW^-: you didn't use kernel-package and now god has smitten you. repent and use kernel-package from now on for all times |
| 10:05.35 | spectie | mactimes, samba-ng has (as far as i remember) all the fancy new windows domain stuff |
| 10:05.42 | spectie | normal samba has just the stuff for filesharing etc. |
| 10:05.43 | BW^- | wols_: kernel-package? |
| 10:05.51 | wols_ | !tell BW^- about kernel-package |
| 10:06.03 | mactimes | spectie: So, would I still need OpenLDAP or not? |
| 10:06.13 | spectie | mactimes, probably yes |
| 10:06.14 | Raging_Hog | spectie: not really, the basic teach-mommy-to-surf and I've trained regular office folk to work with the software we develop |
| 10:06.18 | _NoxIn_ | family: it's epiphany-browser |
| 10:06.25 | BW^- | wols_: thanks! |
| 10:06.33 | family | aww thanks Noxin |
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| 10:06.47 | mactimes | spectie: Ok. And what about debian? What do I need to setup on the workstations and on the server in order to have it running as a domain? |
| 10:06.55 | _NoxIn_ | (the package name, not the executable one :) ) |
| 10:07.01 | spectie | Raging_Hog, ah yes, my mother still can't reliably distinguish between right and left mouse buttons |
| 10:07.17 | spectie | this is after i pasted a "cheat sheet" to the wall next to her computer |
| 10:07.26 | spectie | its like people turn off their brains when they get in front of a computer |
| 10:08.42 | spectie | mactimes, you've google searched for this i guess ? |
| 10:08.44 | spectie | http://www.samba-ldap.de/node/24 |
| 10:08.59 | wols_ | it's the brainrays which computers make. they always do this to me |
| 10:09.00 | Raging_Hog | adults learn at an order of magnitude slower than kids. Unlike children, I think they're afraid of breaking something and the stress wipes their memory |
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| 10:09.29 | hellop | how can I track down the problem here? I run my program: ./server and get this: ./server: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:09.46 | cydork | wols_, lies.. only windows has them... :) |
| 10:09.51 | hellop | I have this: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 10:10.04 | spectie | hellop, ldd ./server |
| 10:10.09 | spectie | paste the output on www.nopaste.com |
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| 10:10.33 | mactimes | spectie: OpenLDAP and Samba only will do it? |
| 10:11.05 | spectie | mactimes, last time i tried to set it up |
| 10:11.11 | spectie | there are probably some sundry packages that you need too |
| 10:11.11 | family | spectie i went and got mozilla and the damn thing runs good i guess its just iceweasel? |
| 10:11.12 | al-Quaknaa | Hello, I have a newbie question, I installed mysql-server but I don't know how to log in. I observed the database (using the debian-sys-maint account) and I cannot even see any root account |
| 10:11.15 | wols_ | cydork: intel designed hardware always has it. it's intel. MS is just an amplifier |
| 10:11.18 | spectie | family, probably |
| 10:11.22 | hellop | http://nopaste.com/p/ad31lHXKjb |
| 10:11.32 | family | thank you specti |
| 10:11.34 | family | spectie |
| 10:11.36 | cydork | wols_, haha.. |
| 10:11.48 | spectie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.52 | al-Quaknaa | What should I do? I'm not able to log in as root, only debian-sys-maint |
| 10:12.12 | Bleupomme | Hello I just dist-upgraded from an etch to testing and I get an weird error : http://paste.debian.net/6216/ .Could anyone help me please? |
| 10:12.17 | spectie | hellop, try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib ./server |
| 10:12.22 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, you have to search around google for how to add a user to mysql, then you run mysql, you can specify a user and a password with the -p option, root should be able to access all DBs when U just run "mysql" |
| 10:12.24 | hellop | AFAIK |
| 10:12.47 | mactimes | spectie: Sorry for all the dummy questions, but I've worked with domains running MS servers my whole life and it is not _that_ easy for me to get the whole picture for Linux domains |
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| 10:12.56 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, I thought I could add the root user as debian-sys-maint but that didn't work (permission denied) |
| 10:12.57 | mactimes | spectie: Thank you very much for all help. |
| 10:13.01 | spectie | mactimes, no problem |
| 10:13.07 | _NoxIn_ | hellop : ldd ./server ? |
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| 10:13.11 | spectie | mactimes, i would recommend finding a few howtos |
| 10:13.15 | spectie | and doing some tests |
| 10:13.31 | hellop | spectie, same error |
| 10:13.32 | spectie | mactimes, i didn't manage to get it up and running the first time |
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| 10:13.43 | spectie | hellop, ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++* |
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| 10:13.47 | spectie | and paste the output on nopaste |
| 10:13.49 | hellop | spectie, so the program is just looking int he wrong spot... |
| 10:14.03 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, now I see the user got created, he just doesn't have all the privileges |
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| 10:14.43 | hellop | spectie http://nopaste.com/p/a676zkUAc |
| 10:14.44 | mactimes | spectie: I'll set up a _test_ domain and see if I can do it. Just needed to know the tools I was going to need. Thank you again. |
| 10:14.50 | spectie | no problem |
| 10:14.53 | al-Quaknaa | When I try to add privileges to the user root I get access denied |
| 10:15.09 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, that is set in one of the default databases |
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| 10:15.19 | porncake | are there priviliges left to give root |
| 10:15.21 | porncake | i thought root had * |
| 10:15.37 | hellop | when you type "mysql" as root, you should be able to "show databases" and have full access AFAIK |
| 10:15.39 | al-Quaknaa | porncake, there's no root in the initial state |
| 10:15.49 | porncake | oh in sql |
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| 10:15.53 | porncake | i thought in debian :) |
| 10:15.54 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, no, I get access denied |
| 10:16.15 | al-Quaknaa | porncake, yes, I'm trying it on debian |
| 10:16.27 | spectie | mactimes, #samba seems quite active |
| 10:16.39 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: you try to connect from the localhost, not over network, right ? |
| 10:16.44 | al-Quaknaa | yes |
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| 10:16.51 | mactimes | spectie: Thanks! |
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| 10:19.02 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, everytime I apt-get'ed mysql, root had access... you can try catting out the privs database and see what users/passwords are there.. maybe |
| 10:19.46 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, I should see all the users and stuff with the debian-sys-maint account, shouldn't I? |
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| 10:20.12 | _NoxIn_ | I just checked on a fresh install, root have access.. and debian-sys-maintenner have grant privilege.. so you shouldn't be blocked |
| 10:20.13 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, and if that would serve the purpose I can do complete mysql reinstall or whatever ... I'm just completly clueless |
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| 10:20.28 | dga | hi. i want to install debian on a laptop. is there anything special i need to know? can i just follow the regular installation guide? |
| 10:20.43 | al-Quaknaa | _NoxIn_, I don't know why it doesn't work, do you have any idea how could I get more information out of it? |
| 10:20.45 | azeem | dga: yes, but maybe check www.tuxmobile.org for your model |
| 10:20.47 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, I dunno, I always just used root, and then made new users with passwords when needed. Then used Grant to give access. It's been over a year and I don't have mysql installed right now... |
| 10:21.00 | azeem | dga: somebody might have tried to install Debian on that model already |
| 10:21.01 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: if you do "mysql -u root mysql" what is the deny message exactly ? |
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| 10:21.46 | al-Quaknaa | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 10:22.08 | Pav5088 | Which kernel is being shipped with Lenny? I'm looking to buy a few entry level mobo's and they all seem to have Realtek 8111c nics. Unfortunately these aren't supported in 2.4.24, but from what I've read they work in 2.4.25 |
| 10:22.23 | dga | azeem: i can only find them in other languages and the ones that are in english are for other distros. |
| 10:22.33 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, well you'll need to run mysql with the -p option when you get that error. |
| 10:22.47 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, with empty password? |
| 10:23.00 | azeem | dga: then just try and mabye write up an article about it yourself afterwards |
| 10:23.10 | azeem | dga: if etch does not work, you might want to try lenny beta 2 |
| 10:23.15 | Pav5088 | Which kernel is being shipped with Lenny? I'm looking to buy a few entry level mobo's and they all seem to have Realtek 8111c nics. |
| 10:23.16 | Pav5088 | Unfortunately these aren't supported in 2.4.24, but from what I've read they work in 2.4.25 |
| 10:23.16 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, If I run it with -p and empty password, I get the same error message |
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| 10:23.23 | hellop | I think you just run "mysql -p" as root, then it will ask you for the password. The man page is wrong, you don't type the password as an argument. |
| 10:23.26 | masus | hi all, have a problem with crontab and a mysqlexport.sh, The mysqlexport.sh file get data from the Database and import to a txt file if i execute the fle manual it works fine but when crontab is executing the file i cant see some characters like (ü,ö) does anyone experience before ? |
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| 10:23.38 | _NoxIn_ | by default root has no password, unless you set one, that's strange |
| 10:23.40 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, probably because you need to set a password for root in mysql first. |
| 10:24.09 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, but how can I do that when the user doesn't exist in the database (I found out using the debian-sys-maint account) |
| 10:24.25 | Pav5088 | oops... sorry about that... |
| 10:24.27 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, I have had that error and the problem was in my arguments when I ran mysql relating to what I said above... |
| 10:24.43 | HockeyInJune | -_- This is the gayest thing. GRUB consistently gives me a fatal error when I try to install it, but LILO installs fine, been working on this for hours, it makes no sense |
| 10:25.02 | Jemt | Fatal error ? |
| 10:25.09 | Jemt | !error |
| 10:25.10 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 10:25.12 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, so why not just use the debian-sys-maint account and add users and give provs using grant the normal way? |
| 10:25.20 | al-Quaknaa | Also, when I try to create the root user using the debian-sys-maint account, I get this: |
| 10:25.23 | al-Quaknaa | #1045 - Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 10:25.28 | HockeyInJune | Yes, in the Debian install, it says fatal error |
| 10:25.28 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, BTW, whenever I've had to do that it always took me an hour of searching googl ;( |
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| 10:25.46 | masus | !tr |
| 10:25.46 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 10:25.48 | al-Quaknaa | hellop, it already took me like two hours at least |
| 10:26.04 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: if it's a fresh install I suggest reinstalling ... you should have root access working since the begining |
| 10:26.06 | al-Quaknaa | that's why I wen here |
| 10:26.14 | BW^- | by the way, i have a Intel GM965 graphics card. on google i read that i need a certain xserver-xorg-video-intel package to get it running, but i don't find this with aptitude search, and neither on backports.org. how do i get the intel support? |
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| 10:26.33 | al-Quaknaa | _NoxIn_, reinstalling just mysql? Just aptitude purge mysql-server and aptitude install mysql-server? |
| 10:26.40 | al-Quaknaa | Cause I've did that already too |
| 10:26.50 | _NoxIn_ | is it etch ? |
| 10:26.57 | BW^- | in etch yes |
| 10:27.00 | al-Quaknaa | I think so |
| 10:27.10 | hellop | al-Quaknaa, and you can't "show databases" ? |
| 10:27.12 | al-Quaknaa | I have etch repositories with higher priority then lenny |
| 10:27.18 | al-Quaknaa | lenny!s there just because haproxy package |
| 10:27.28 | al-Quaknaa | I can't get to the mysql cli |
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| 10:27.43 | __ryan__ | i imagine the i810 driver covers that too, BW^- |
| 10:27.51 | dga | azeem are there vital packages that i need as a laptop users? like for power management and such? do i need to know things like that?i've installed debian on this machine before and everything worked fine except wireless and video, but i think i can get those to work on my own with a little research. i'm just anxious about not having the right packages installed. |
| 10:27.59 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: does "myisamchk /var/lib/mysql/mysql/user" show errors ont the user table ? |
| 10:28.35 | al-Quaknaa | yes, It's like 7 lines, should I pastebin it? |
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| 10:29.18 | al-Quaknaa | http://pastebin.com/m7d1db622 |
| 10:29.31 | al-Quaknaa | How do I fix it? |
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| 10:29.56 | _NoxIn_ | data record 2 ? you shoukd have more lines that that in this table |
| 10:30.02 | BW^- | __ryan__: ok. what should i set the "Driver" setting in my xorg.conf file to ? |
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| 10:30.20 | al-Quaknaa | _NoxIn_, yeah, that's the weird thing, only the one (debian-sys-maint) user is there |
| 10:30.20 | BW^- | __ryan__: the web page said i should set it to "intel". will the i810 do this with equal performance? |
| 10:30.28 | al-Quaknaa | and it's the default install |
| 10:30.58 | al-Quaknaa | would purge &install overwrite the broken data? |
| 10:31.05 | heraclitus_ | the lenny updates have been much too destructive... first it was, managing reboot with the stupid kexec, and now it removed openoffice writer and the printing system doesn't work... |
| 10:31.08 | themill | BW^-: istr that the GM965 card is not supported by the i810 package in etch. But it's a vague memory so you may as well try it first. |
| 10:31.16 | __ryan__ | i believe the i810 is for all intels |
| 10:31.19 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: if the file is corrupted on a fresh install ... either the file is broken in the package, or you have an hard disk problem ... |
| 10:31.27 | BW^- | __ryan__: ok. do you think it has speed? |
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| 10:31.44 | al-Quaknaa | _NoxIn_, no, I guess it's because I've tried to add the root user using the debian-sys-maint account |
| 10:31.48 | __ryan__ | i have the i945 with gl and whatnot and it works fine |
| 10:32.02 | _NoxIn_ | well yes try purging and reinstalling then |
| 10:32.03 | al-Quaknaa | would purge&install fix that? (if the package is fine and the hard drive ok)? |
| 10:32.06 | al-Quaknaa | OK |
| 10:32.15 | themill | BW^-, __ryan__: check the package description for that package in etch. http://packages.debian.org/etch/xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 10:32.23 | _NoxIn_ | just check the /var/lib/mysql/ dir is empty before reinstalling |
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| 10:32.51 | BW^- | themill,__ryan__: there's no GM965 in that list. |
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| 10:33.05 | __ryan__ | i stand corrected |
| 10:33.20 | BW^- | so how get this -intel package? i find it nowhere |
| 10:33.24 | BW^- | i could reinstall all X also |
| 10:33.32 | hellop | is there a way I can tell if my remote box has a 32 or 64 bit CPU? |
| 10:33.37 | BW^- | btw there's a web page something like www.intelforxorg.org or something, but it has no download page |
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| 10:34.03 | BW^- | intellinuxgraphics.org that's it |
| 10:34.06 | al-Quaknaa | _NoxIn_, http://pastebin.com/m60ad4ba |
| 10:35.00 | al-Quaknaa | OK, now I see three root users (for different localhost, my hostname and %) |
| 10:35.17 | al-Quaknaa | All three without a pasword ... now I'm like WTF .. |
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| 10:35.41 | DrFrasierCrane | what would be the easiest way to get my hands on a Debian system with kernel 2.6.23? |
| 10:35.42 | al-Quaknaa | Oh my .. |
| 10:36.07 | al-Quaknaa | OK so now it is all working, I have no clue what was different this time (I did purge&reinstall before) |
| 10:36.10 | _NoxIn_ | al-Quaknaa: now it should work if you mysql -u root |
| 10:36.17 | al-Quaknaa | Yes it worked |
| 10:36.31 | al-Quaknaa | OK, thank you very much |
| 10:36.37 | _NoxIn_ | you're welcome |
| 10:36.51 | hellop | DrFrasierCrane, install etc then install that kernel |
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| 10:37.07 | hellop | etc = etch |
| 10:37.25 | heraclitus_ | the dejavu font is better now, looks like windows font, but how often are they going to change the font format, the font is very essential, when you write any kind of programs... |
| 10:37.29 | BW^- | trying some things |
| 10:37.46 | salvin | DrFrasierCrane, i don't remember a debian kernel 2.6.23 |
| 10:38.06 | themill | BW^-: the etchnhalf packages have the new intel driver with 965 support. They're not released just yet but others are using them, I believe. /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 10:38.14 | Shadowcat | anyone using firefox 3.0rc2 in sid? |
| 10:38.29 | salvin | Shadowcat, me |
| 10:38.34 | Shadowcat | why is it that the browser always starts in offline mode? |
| 10:38.45 | Shadowcat | and gives me a "Firefox is not the default browser" prompt |
| 10:39.49 | DrFrasierCrane | hellop, are you sure it's in the repos? |
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| 10:40.24 | salvin | Shadowcat, edit->preferences->advanced->general->Always check to see if iceweasel is the default browser at startup |
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| 10:41.01 | Shadowcat | that option is actually unchecked |
| 10:41.08 | salvin | check it |
| 10:41.29 | BW^- | themill: thanks! |
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| 10:41.48 | HockeyInJune | Debian has not picked up my wireless card, was there something I missed in the Installation? |
| 10:42.03 | __ryan__ | which card HockeyInJune |
| 10:42.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | HockeyInJune, it may require non-free firmware |
| 10:42.16 | HockeyInJune | ipw2200 |
| 10:42.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/may/will :P |
| 10:42.27 | HockeyInJune | lmfao |
| 10:42.28 | __ryan__ | haha |
| 10:42.29 | __ryan__ | yep |
| 10:42.30 | HockeyInJune | okay |
| 10:42.37 | themill | dpkg: tell HockeyInJune about ipw2200 |
| 10:42.38 | __ryan__ | there's a tonn of guides |
| 10:42.39 | salvin | Shadowcat, or click on "check now" |
| 10:43.12 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 10:43.17 | Shadowcat | thanks |
| 10:43.24 | Shadowcat | is going to have to work through a lot of bugs |
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| 10:43.39 | themill | BW^-: no worries. Let the etchnhalf guys know how you go as I imagine they will be interested in feedback |
| 10:43.59 | Shadowcat | oh yeah, why does the thing always start in offline mode? |
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| 10:45.44 | BW^- | ok! |
| 10:46.06 | cYmen | how can i revert to a default config? |
| 10:46.07 | salvin | Shadowcat, i dunno |
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| 10:46.52 | petemc | cYmen: purge and reinstall the package |
| 10:48.02 | salvin | cydork, or remove the conf dir from you home |
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| 10:48.26 | cYmen | salvin: i'm talking about exim |
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| 10:48.37 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should work |
| 10:48.44 | hellop | is there any way to tell if my CPU is 32-bit or 64-bit from command line? |
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| 10:49.56 | fireba11 | hellop: most likely case is 32-bit with 64-bit extension .. what type of cpu you got ? |
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| 10:51.11 | slxix | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' |
| 10:51.27 | hellop | fireba11, this system is remote and I won't be able to get an answer for that until tomorrow, all I know is Pentium 4 3000mhz |
| 10:51.43 | fireba11 | hellop: 32-bit only |
| 10:52.28 | hellop | thanks guys |
| 10:52.47 | fireba11 | also sounds suspiciously like a d-series toaster .. get rid of it :-) |
| 10:53.35 | hellop | I thought Pentium D was a dual core |
| 10:53.54 | hellop | top says mine is only single |
| 10:54.02 | maligor | wasn't Pentium D the two cores bolted to a shared piece of plastic |
| 10:54.20 | fireba11 | hellop: pention d were the HT ones |
| 10:54.32 | fireba11 | at best |
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| 10:55.33 | hellop | hmm.... "cat /proc/cpuinfo seems to say that I have a processor 0 and a processor 1 |
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| 10:55.44 | hellop | So, why wouldn't top show both? |
| 10:55.56 | petemc | press 1 |
| 10:56.17 | hellop | omfg YES!!! Extra core! |
| 10:56.26 | hellop | I'm only paying for 1. |
| 10:56.32 | petemc | ht isnt an extra core |
| 10:56.37 | hellop | awesome |
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| 10:58.18 | maligor | yeah, it was just a patch to fix p4 performance problems |
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| 10:59.35 | hellop | AFAIK the Pentium D was Two Full processors each with their own 2MB cache, instead of a Duocore where the 2 cores shared the cache |
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| 11:03.41 | XTZGZoReX | debian ~: -- how do I change the name of the machine? |
| 11:05.46 | KineticBug | Specified on install? |
| 11:05.48 | SPF | you start to copy a file from A to B. While copying you rename B, B_new is resuming transfer. Is this scenario advisable/trustworthy? |
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| 11:06.52 | XTZGZoReX | KineticBug: so it cant be changed once installed? |
| 11:07.01 | fireba11 | XTZGZoReX : of course it can |
| 11:07.20 | XTZGZoReX | fireba11: how? :) |
| 11:07.54 | fireba11 | XTZGZoReX : /etc/hostname and a reboot (yes, that one acutally requires rebooting afaik. don't forget to exit /etc/hosts accordingly |
| 11:08.06 | XTZGZoReX | exit? |
| 11:08.09 | XTZGZoReX | what do you mean? |
| 11:08.39 | fireba11 | edit |
| 11:08.41 | fireba11 | was a typo |
| 11:08.44 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 11:08.54 | pingouin | reboot ? restarting the network (/etc/init.d/networking stop/start) is not enought ? (just a question) |
| 11:09.00 | XTZGZoReX | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 11:09.01 | XTZGZoReX | 127.0.1.1 debian |
| 11:09.06 | XTZGZoReX | ^ change the "debian", I assume` |
| 11:09.08 | XTZGZoReX | ?* |
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| 11:09.14 | fireba11 | aye |
| 11:09.22 | KineticBug | 127.0.1.1 debbie! |
| 11:09.24 | XTZGZoReX | okay, thanks |
| 11:09.26 | XTZGZoReX | reboots |
| 11:09.32 | KineticBug | -! |
| 11:09.41 | XTZGZoReX | I don't really mind a reboot - there is nothing running anyway :) |
| 11:09.48 | XTZGZoReX | Just setting up all the basic functionality |
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| 11:12.50 | XTZGZoReX | is mysql 5.1 in apt yet? |
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| 11:13.05 | fireba11 | XTZGZoReX: btw i just found http://www.debianadmin.com/change-hostname-or-server-name-of-a-linux-machine.html |
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| 11:14.02 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 11:14.03 | XTZGZoReX | >_< |
| 11:14.07 | XTZGZoReX | didnt have to restart, haha |
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| 11:14.23 | tiveron | hi there |
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| 11:14.35 | XTZGZoReX | rawr |
| 11:14.57 | stew | XTZGZoReX: no, you definately don't have to restart, /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:15.07 | XTZGZoReX | stew: I figured :) |
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| 11:15.41 | fireba11 | stew : i just found out .. changed a hostname only once bevore so .. ;-) |
| 11:16.09 | BW__ | 1hr ago i asked on how to install new kernel into debian, as my try to manuall compile and make install kernel failed. you recommended kpkg-install or something. i tried it now, and it gave me a new /boot/vmlinuz but no initrd, and i still have the same problem as when i compiled myself: the boot stops as it doesnt find any block devices. |
| 11:16.10 | BW__ | what do? |
| 11:16.35 | liable | interestingly, my hosts file went missing today |
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| 11:16.52 | fireba11 | liable: whaddya mean, missing ? ^^ |
| 11:17.06 | fireba11 | liable: lost a file you have ... most embarrassing that is |
| 11:17.18 | cahoot | transformed to guests? |
| 11:17.18 | stew | BW__: if you want to build an initrd kernel, pass --initrd to make-kpkg while buliding, and the initrd would be generated when you install the .deb. if you need to generate one after installing, you can do it with mkiniramfs |
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| 11:17.39 | liable | fireba11: i used sudo, it complained about couldnt lookup hostname, and lo and behold, my hosts file was not to be seen |
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| 11:18.01 | liable | no idea wtf happened to it |
| 11:18.12 | fireba11 | liable: doesn't seem like a good omen :-) |
| 11:18.24 | BW__ | stew: ok. and if i just instruct grub to take that one, all should work when booting, is that correct? |
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| 11:18.58 | tiveron | does somebody have a problem with a ATI express 2100 drive? |
| 11:19.08 | stew | BW__: yes, but you shouldn't have to edit grub's config by hand, 'update-grub' should take care of it once the initrd actually exists |
| 11:19.19 | stew | tiveron: why do you ask? |
| 11:20.06 | tiveron | stew: cause i can't do this work :( |
| 11:20.13 | XTZGZoReX | Ey. |
| 11:20.15 | XTZGZoReX | "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed" |
| 11:20.22 | BW__ | stew: ok. by the way, after having changed the grub config manually, do i need to run some app to effectuate it? like one used to do with lilo |
| 11:20.30 | fireba11 | XTZGZoReX: jup, bugfix kernel |
| 11:20.32 | XTZGZoReX | Why does it want to upgrade if the one being installed is the same as the one already installed? |
| 11:21.35 | fireba11 | XTZGZoReX: same version number, not exact same kernel .. usually happens on security fixes |
| 11:21.55 | XTZGZoReX | fireba11: okay, ill give it a shot |
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| 11:23.19 | hellop | what does it mean when I install something and get this: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 11:23.28 | hellop | In this case, my kernel image. |
| 11:23.31 | stew | BW__: no |
| 11:23.33 | XTZGZoReX | fireba11: ah, worked |
| 11:23.36 | BW__ | ok! thanks! |
| 11:23.43 | stew | hellop: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 11:24.22 | hellop | thanks |
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| 11:25.53 | BW__ | stew: now i ran make-kpkg kernel_image --with-dpkg, aptitude remove linux-2.6.25, dpkg -i thenewdebfile |
| 11:25.59 | hellop | Why would my IS guys install: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 on a Pentium dualcore? |
| 11:26.08 | BW__ | i still don`t have a new /boot/initrd i think. is this a problem? |
| 11:26.28 | stew | hellop: why wouldn't they? |
| 11:26.28 | BW__ | the machine didn`t boot the last time i tried, should anything be different now? |
| 11:26.29 | stew | 07:17 < stew> BW__: if you want to build an initrd kernel, pass --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 11:26.39 | Spirit_ | hi, i found http://cryopid.berlios.de/ yesterday but did not succeed compiling (a broken link and no idea what is missing). is there some other recommendable checkpointing tool that is easy to setup? |
| 11:26.43 | hellop | stew, because I'm not running an AMD64 I'm running an Intel 32bit, and my app requires 32-bit. |
| 11:26.58 | BW__ | stew: yep that was what i did. make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd . |
| 11:27.05 | BW__ | stew: sorry for quoting bad, that was what i did |
| 11:27.27 | stew | BW__: then a initrd was generated when you installed the new package |
| 11:27.42 | BW__ | ok. where`s it? |
| 11:28.01 | stew | hellop: sorry i thought the dualcore was 64 bit. if it was not, then the reason they would do that is that they were confused like i was |
| 11:28.05 | stew | BW__: /boot/ |
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| 11:29.14 | BW__ | stew: there`s nothing new there. i created a /boot/initrd-2.6.25 before, and that one is still there of course. but nothing new. |
| 11:29.32 | BW__ | stew: the vmlinuz make-dpkg created has the name /boot/vmlinuz . |
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| 11:30.14 | hellop | I'm suprised that a 64-bit AMD kernel runs on my Pentium D... |
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| 11:30.21 | BW__ | perhaps the prob is i didnt compile the SATA driver into the kernel :* |
| 11:31.25 | stew | hellop: its not specifically an AMD kernel. its a kernel that uses the amd64 instruction set which runs on both AMD and intel cpus |
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| 11:32.08 | hellop | stew, but since my app specifically won't run on 64, it probably looks like 64 to my app, right? |
| 11:32.12 | stew | BW__: i don't believe that make-kpkg created a kernel with the name /boot/vmlinuz (assuming you mean make-kpkg and not make-dpkg) |
| 11:32.42 | stew | hellop: i don't understand what you mean, but 64 bit kernels don't have a problem with running 32 bit apps, if that is what you mean |
| 11:32.46 | BW__ | stew: hm. |
| 11:33.03 | BW__ | stew: well that`s the only new vmlinuz file i see. do you mean that it perhaps overwrote /boot/vmlinuz.2.6.25 ? |
| 11:33.44 | stew | BW__: what is the package name? |
| 11:33.49 | hellop | stew, my issue is, that when I search for the error I'm getting trying to run my app, the developers say that can happen if you are running a 64bit cpu... |
| 11:34.00 | stew | BW__: "dpkg -L packagename" would tell you exactly which files are in the package |
| 11:34.13 | stew | hellop: what is the error |
| 11:34.19 | BW__ | linux-image-10.00_Custom_i386.deb |
| 11:34.22 | BW__ | wops |
| 11:34.48 | hellop | Here's the missing libs error: http://nopaste.com/p/aGWVjdj4pb |
| 11:34.49 | BW__ | linux-image-2.6.25-2.6.25-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 11:34.51 | BW__ | like that. |
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| 11:35.43 | stew | BW__: then yes, i'd expect it has overwritten /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25 |
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| 11:36.02 | hellop | so the devs say, "You have to install the w3c-libwww rpm, which for debian looks like the libwww package... but there's no change for me |
| 11:36.04 | BW__ | stew: ok cool! |
| 11:37.16 | BW__ | i think you are right, because when i made aptitude remove on the previous install, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25 was removed. thanks alot for the help! |
| 11:37.29 | stew | hellop: the easiest way to run 32 bit applications on a 64 bit install is to install a 32 bit chroot |
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| 11:37.55 | jelly | hellop: "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 11:38.26 | hellop | jelly: amd64 deffinately wrong |
| 11:38.36 | hellop | stew, not just install the correct kernel? |
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| 11:38.54 | jelly | hellop: that's not wrong. You have an x86_64 installation of debian, debian calls it "amd64". |
| 11:38.57 | stew | hellop: no, you can't run a 32 bit kernel on a 64 bit install |
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| 11:39.54 | hellop | jelly, myabe I have a "64-bit version" of the pentium D |
| 11:40.22 | BW__ | testing |
| 11:40.30 | stew | hellop: i don't think there is anything but 64 bit versions of the pentium D |
| 11:40.34 | jelly | hellop: that's not a maybe. |
| 11:41.13 | jelly | hellop: can you install ia32-libs? |
| 11:41.28 | hellop | hmm.. I specifically told them I needed a 32-bit single core, and I got a 64-bit dual core.. pros and cons there I guess |
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| 11:41.58 | jelly | hellop: what "they" should have done, is to just install a 32bit "i386" debian |
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| 11:42.30 | jelly | hellop: or just create a 32bit chroot like stew says |
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| 11:42.34 | hellop | jelly, I just don't understand why my app can't find the libs: libstdc++.so.6 => not found, when they are right in /usr/lib |
| 11:42.52 | jelly | hellop: because it wants 32bit builds thereof |
| 11:43.31 | stew | hellop: also that error that you pasted doesn't say that it is looking for libstdc++.so.6 |
| 11:43.33 | hellop | jelly, stew, speed is required for this real-time app. Will a chroot be slower then a regular install? |
| 11:43.40 | stew | hellop: no |
| 11:44.05 | themill | ia32libs?... |
| 11:44.21 | jelly | ia32-libs |
| 11:44.47 | jelly | themill: http://packages.debian.org/etch/ia32-libs |
| 11:44.50 | themill | yeah... that one. (I know little about amd64 other than it seems troublesome ) |
| 11:44.56 | themill | jelly: yeah, looking at that now |
| 11:45.12 | jelly | it's a huge pile of assorted i386 libraries |
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| 11:45.16 | mazzanet | win 20 |
| 11:45.26 | themill | jelly: indeed, one of which is libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 11:46.11 | jelly | themill: I think there's a good chance that hellop's zlib, stdc++6 and libgcc will be there |
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| 11:46.49 | themill | yep |
| 11:46.52 | hellop | can you explain a little to me, since I already have a file called /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6, when I install ia32-libs, will I have two? |
| 11:47.04 | jelly | hellop: yes. |
| 11:47.24 | themill | hellop: not quite the same path though: http://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/lib32stdc++6/filelist |
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| 11:47.40 | hellop | Or is it that the error message that says: libstdc++.so.6 => not found, really means: libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4) => not found? |
| 11:47.55 | zafy | hi everyone |
| 11:48.01 | hellop | what does that second error mean? |
| 11:48.13 | hellop | GLIBCXX_3.4 is part of libstdc++.so.6? |
| 11:48.16 | jelly | hellop: what does "file ./server" say? |
| 11:48.52 | jelly | hellop: or even better, is your binary-only app supported to run on Debian? |
| 11:48.59 | hellop | jelly, I don't know, but your suggestion to install is ia32-libs worked. |
| 11:49.34 | zafy | hi all, anyway I can redirect an output from my home machine through ssh to my current machine ? like if I want to listen to some music on my home machine with mplayer ? |
| 11:49.42 | hellop | Do you think I will have any problems with the AMD64 kernel? I don't know anything other then it has AMD specific optimizations, but I would never think of installing in on an Intel. |
| 11:50.05 | jelly | hellop: you're incorrect in thinking it has "AMD specific optimizations" |
| 11:50.14 | hellop | BTW, thank you all very much. Saved me hours. I would have tried to install a different kernel. |
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| 11:51.07 | Nurulwai | Is there anything special I need to do to make xorg work with a matrox g450, other than specify "mga" for the driver? |
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| 11:51.13 | hellop | So, what's the difference between the x86 and the AMD kernels? |
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| 11:52.04 | jelly | hellop: the amd64 portmanteau (sp?) is used by debian to encompass all the amd64- instruction set compatible CPUs, which includes AMD64 ones from amd, and EM64T ones from Intel |
| 11:52.16 | kombi | how can one use two gateways? |
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| 11:52.58 | jelly | kombi: like this? http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 11:53.56 | kombi | jelly: yes, but even simpler: same interface |
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| 11:54.03 | poseidon | When do you think iceweasel 3 will be released? |
| 11:54.10 | jelly | kombi: that's not simpler. :-) |
| 11:54.13 | cahoot | Nurulwai: not in my experience |
| 11:54.27 | jelly | kombi: in any case, lartc.org is your friend |
| 11:54.34 | poseidon | ff3 is do to be released June 17th |
| 11:54.34 | kombi | jelly: thanks! |
| 11:54.35 | ArthurArchnix | When is firefox three released? |
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| 11:54.52 | Spirit_ | ff3 is do to be released June 17th |
| 11:54.56 | Nurulwai | cahoot: Well bugger. I was hoping there was. I get severe graphical corruption just doing that. |
| 11:55.15 | kombi | if only one could just enter two gateways in network/interfaces.. |
| 11:55.16 | Nurulwai | And it's corruption I can actually get a screenshot of to boot, so it's some odd crap in xorg going on. |
| 11:55.16 | hellop | It worked it worked!!! WOOHOO! |
| 11:55.25 | hellop | passes around beers to everyone! |
| 11:55.32 | poseidon | ArthurArchnix, I was wondering, is it the same code, just different graphics. (also will it show up as firefox on servers if its queried? |
| 11:56.05 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... so probably at least a few days after that it will be in Sid.. then a few days after that trickle into testing... is my guess. Maybe if you find the package maintainer for firefox and the mailing list you can get a better answer. |
| 11:56.11 | Spirit_ | poseidon: yes |
| 11:56.23 | Spirit_ | except for the server log i think |
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| 11:56.40 | poseidon | Spirit_, Does it show up as iceweasel? |
| 11:57.03 | Spirit_ | ah yes, just checked |
| 11:57.08 | Spirit_ | this is me "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Iceweasel/2.0.0.14 (Debian-2.0.0.14-2)" |
| 11:57.09 | poseidon | Thanks ;) |
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| 11:57.15 | [busta] | hello |
| 11:57.31 | [busta] | apt-get install avahi-daemon |
| 11:57.36 | [busta] | i have erro with that package |
| 11:57.45 | [busta] | it says that it's impossible to find it |
| 11:57.50 | ArthurArchnix | I've got a folder /DVD and inside it are /DVD/AUDIO_TS and /DVD/VIDEO_TS but the guide I was following breaks down and I can't burn these to disc with growsfs ... can I just burn them to disc and have a working dvd? |
| 11:58.01 | [busta] | i've done an apt-get upgrade and update |
| 11:58.04 | [busta] | but i still have the problem |
| 11:58.08 | [busta] | can someone help me please |
| 11:58.21 | poseidon | [busta], Post the error on pastebin and link it here so people can help ;) |
| 11:58.38 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video /DVD |
| 11:58.59 | ArthurArchnix | defrysk: lemme give that a try... |
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| 11:59.13 | [busta] | http://pastebin.com/d4828ec6d |
| 11:59.16 | [busta] | there it is |
| 11:59.28 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:59.58 | themill | [busta]: if you could also pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" and your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:00.04 | [busta] | ok |
| 12:00.22 | jelly | My Dell poweredge 1800 has a blinky orange light. Is there a way to find out the cause of blinky orange from Debian? |
| 12:00.29 | [busta] | empty |
| 12:00.47 | Nyle | jelly, I ordered two powerconnects yesterday |
| 12:00.48 | petemc | jelly: second power supply not plugged in? |
| 12:01.03 | Nyle | jelly, jelly which model is it? |
| 12:01.04 | [busta] | http://pastebin.com/d29166f94 |
| 12:01.05 | Nyle | oh nm |
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| 12:01.08 | Nyle | 1800 doh |
| 12:01.13 | Nyle | (just woke up) |
| 12:01.22 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, if it does not work do dvdauthor - o DVD -T and then try growisofs again |
| 12:01.29 | justin | jelly: install OMSA, run omreport chassis |
| 12:01.34 | jelly | petemc: I _think_ it is, but haven't checked. |
| 12:01.38 | [busta] | so |
| 12:01.43 | [busta] | can someone help me please |
| 12:01.46 | jelly | justin: is there an omsa build for Debian? |
| 12:01.50 | themill | [busta]: ummmm that's two separate things... please pastebin the file /etc/apt/sources.list and please run the command: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:01.50 | justin | jelly: yeah |
| 12:01.58 | themill | [busta]: hang on... we only type so fast.. |
| 12:02.03 | [busta] | oh ok |
| 12:02.04 | [busta] | sorry |
| 12:02.05 | [busta] | lol |
| 12:02.14 | justin | http://ftp.sara.nl/pub/sara-omsa/dists/dell/sara/binary-i386/ |
| 12:03.11 | [busta] | my /etc/apt/sources.list : http://pastebin.com/dcfa4d70 |
| 12:03.11 | Nyle | jelly, you are the kind of guys I didn't want to at Dell |
| 12:03.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:03.27 | Nyle | customers rather. |
| 12:03.32 | hellop | quit |
| 12:03.37 | jelly | Nyle: I don't want to you either, so there! |
| 12:03.41 | Nyle | jelly, haha |
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| 12:03.54 | [busta] | result of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 : http://pastebin.com/d2f31d6fe |
| 12:03.58 | [busta] | can someone help me now ? |
| 12:04.04 | Nyle | jelly, I loved selling to dumb people |
| 12:04.06 | [busta] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.07 | Nyle | unlike ya'll tech guys |
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| 12:04.22 | jelly | justin: thanks! (a 71MB package, eww) |
| 12:04.30 | Nyle | eww? for 71mb? |
| 12:04.38 | Nyle | in nthis day and aage? |
| 12:04.48 | jelly | dpkg, omsa is <reply>Packages available at http://ftp.sara.nl/pub/sara-omsa/dists/dell/sara/binary-i386/ |
| 12:04.48 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 12:04.49 | Nyle | gives jelly a 1gb disk |
| 12:05.07 | ArthurArchnix | defrysk: Just reading the man page now, as it didn't work... |
| 12:05.15 | justin | jelly: yeah, it isn't the best debian package, it is converted from a crappy rpm in the first place |
| 12:05.23 | stew | [busta]: you are running sarge which is no longer supported, you should upgrade to etch, the current version of debian stable: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 12:05.39 | [busta] | oops |
| 12:05.43 | [busta] | so what i need to do ? |
| 12:05.46 | themill | [busta]: sarge doesn't have that package either.... |
| 12:05.46 | jelly | justin: Eh, I'll take a look at the contents first, hopefully it won't crap _all_ over the system |
| 12:05.50 | Nyle | ever since the fglrx ordeal I've got recurring red/blue/green flashing pixels here n there, intermittent |
| 12:05.56 | themill | dpkg: tell [busta] about sarge->etch |
| 12:05.59 | Nyle | is there anything to do but take it back? |
| 12:06.12 | [busta] | how can i upgrade from ssh ? |
| 12:06.18 | [busta] | is there a way ? |
| 12:06.21 | stew | [busta]: yes |
| 12:06.29 | themill | [busta]: yes. Read the release notes that dpkg just told you about |
| 12:06.41 | jelly | dpkg, omsa =~ s/Packages/Packages of questionable quality/ |
| 12:06.41 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
| 12:06.44 | [busta] | ok |
| 12:06.44 | [busta] | thx |
| 12:07.08 | petemc | doesnt matt domsch make packages? |
| 12:07.29 | petemc | http://domsch.com/linux/openmanage-contrib/debian/ |
| 12:07.38 | petemc | oh, wait, they're ancient |
| 12:07.39 | ArthurArchnix | defrysk: Ok, well, it fired up with this command: growisofs -dvd-compat -overburn -speed=8 -Z /dev/dvd dvd |
| 12:07.39 | ArthurArchnix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.49 | [busta] | do i need to restart the server to upgrade ? |
| 12:08.15 | stew | [busta]: part of the upgrade will be installing a new kernel |
| 12:08.23 | stew | [busta]: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:08.26 | [busta] | so i need restart right ? |
| 12:08.41 | [busta] | ks355172:/home/busta/movies# uname -r |
| 12:08.41 | [busta] | 2.6.24.2-xxxx-std-ipv4-32 |
| 12:08.45 | [busta] | oops |
| 12:08.47 | [busta] | sorry for spam |
| 12:08.54 | defrysk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.58 | stew | [busta]: then no, you wouldn't need to restart |
| 12:09.04 | [busta] | good |
| 12:09.05 | defrysk | and your dvd folder should be DVD |
| 12:09.15 | [busta] | i will need to stop some current runnig process ? |
| 12:09.25 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, is your /dvd /dvd or /DVD ? |
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| 12:09.46 | ArthurArchnix | heh |
| 12:09.47 | ArthurArchnix | what? |
| 12:09.50 | ArthurArchnix | :) |
| 12:09.50 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, the folder is case sensitive in the command |
| 12:10.10 | stew | [busta]: most services should be restarted. the upgrade prodedure would take care of doing that for most of your running services |
| 12:10.18 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, you said ealyer the folder name was /DVD |
| 12:10.19 | ktwilight | i need a clue on how debian packages an app, i.e. what type of files goes to which directory |
| 12:10.22 | [busta] | how much time it wil ltake ? |
| 12:10.22 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah... I figured that was the problem with the command you gave me. I should've named the output folder something not exactly like my 'dev' dvd name. :) |
| 12:10.28 | stew | ktwilight: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 12:10.33 | ktwilight | stew thanks :) |
| 12:10.36 | [busta] | stew how much time it will take ? |
| 12:10.41 | ArthurArchnix | defrysk: You're right. That was just me being sloppy. |
| 12:10.48 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, I am talking about the folder name! |
| 12:10.50 | ArthurArchnix | But you got me on the right track. looks like its working |
| 12:11.01 | defrysk | good |
| 12:11.02 | Skratz0r | How can I change my DNS server running Debian Etch? (4.0) |
| 12:11.06 | stew | [busta]: it depends on the speed of the internet connection and how many / which packages are installed |
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| 12:11.21 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, make sure to use the -dvd-video flag |
| 12:11.25 | stew | Skratz0r: what do you want to change about it? |
| 12:11.39 | [busta] | 100mb/S server and 1 exchange server |
| 12:11.45 | ArthurArchnix | oohh.. really? I didn't see that in the man page. I used -dvd-compat |
| 12:11.57 | Skratz0r | stew; change it to openDNS |
| 12:12.02 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, mybe that one works too |
| 12:12.14 | defrysk | never tried that one |
| 12:12.15 | ArthurArchnix | Hope so. If not, I'll reburn with dvd-video |
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| 12:12.31 | ArthurArchnix | I can't really test it though. Don't have a dvd player. |
| 12:12.47 | ArthurArchnix | VLC will run it even if I told it I was burning a picture folder. |
| 12:13.43 | stew | Skratz0r: opendns.com has instructions |
| 12:13.52 | Skratz0r | Mmhmm |
| 12:13.54 | Skratz0r | :P |
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| 12:14.02 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, why not just play th vob files ? |
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| 12:14.15 | Skratz0r | I was just using it as an example, anyway. Question answered. Thanks stew |
| 12:14.50 | defrysk | ArthurArchnix, and you can also play the /dvd/ with totem' |
| 12:15.02 | Nyle | Konqueror - For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser!! |
| 12:15.18 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah... just making a present for a friend. She has a DVD player. |
| 12:15.23 | ArthurArchnix | defrysk: ^^ |
| 12:15.25 | defrysk | oic |
| 12:15.27 | [busta] | stew i dont find the procedure to upgrade |
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| 12:15.33 | stew | [busta]: chapter 4 |
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| 12:17.13 | Nyle | stew, which kde lib did you say was being taken out of debian? something like that anyway |
| 12:17.32 | stew | Nyle: libinstrudeo was removed which was being used for some desktop recorder |
| 12:17.44 | Nyle | ah |
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| 12:18.31 | [busta] | stew |
| 12:18.32 | Nyle | is there a cli email client that works with gmail? |
| 12:18.36 | [busta] | i dont see any chapter |
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| 12:18.47 | stew | Nyle: screenkast was the one |
| 12:18.50 | [busta] | can u paste me a link |
| 12:18.54 | Nyle | stew, ok |
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| 12:18.55 | [busta] | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:19.02 | [busta] | it's all i see |
| 12:19.10 | stew | [busta]: yeah, that's the link |
| 12:19.13 | Nyle | never heard of it actually I've only used krecordmydesk |
| 12:19.33 | Nyle | cli email client anyone for gmail? |
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| 12:19.51 | petemc | anything that does pop or imap |
| 12:20.04 | Nyle | imap i have it setup on my work pcs |
| 12:20.11 | Nyle | at home I use konq and well it sucks |
| 12:20.37 | Nyle | petemc, ok I used to use a lot of wow i can't remember tis name now |
| 12:20.38 | cydork | Nyle, try sup it has some nice features |
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| 12:20.48 | Nyle | back in 8th grade, dog named email client |
| 12:20.52 | petemc | mutt |
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| 12:20.54 | Nyle | whats it called |
| 12:20.56 | Nyle | ahh right on |
| 12:21.12 | Nyle | cydork, ok |
| 12:21.12 | [busta] | stew wich architechture i should select ? |
| 12:21.23 | stew | [busta]: which architecture are you running? |
| 12:21.30 | stew | [busta]: what cpu do you have? |
| 12:21.33 | Nyle | no i don't think i twas mutt |
| 12:22.03 | tenzin_ | hi .. I was doing a "aptitude install libpt-plugins-v4l2" when i get this libpt-1.10.0 is a broken package error ... is libpt-1.10.0 broken in lenny? |
| 12:22.12 | [busta] | stew i dont know those information |
| 12:22.12 | petemc | Nyle: mutt or pine are the only console muas i know |
| 12:22.34 | stew | [busta]: what does 'dpkg-architecture' return for DEB_HOST_ARCH |
| 12:23.05 | [busta] | i386 |
| 12:23.09 | Nyle | pie |
| 12:23.10 | Nyle | pine |
| 12:23.13 | Nyle | bingo |
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| 12:23.58 | Nyle | COIN, columbia online information network, 1994, public libarary networks for which I did intern work at age 13 when I first started getting into unix/linux i used pine heavily |
| 12:24.03 | jelly | alpine* |
| 12:24.03 | stew | [busta]: then you want "Intel x86" |
| 12:24.08 | Nyle | aohhhh man good old 7th/8th grade |
| 12:24.21 | Nyle | installs pine |
| 12:24.24 | [busta] | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index |
| 12:24.30 | jelly | Nyle: what sort of dog is "pine"?? |
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| 12:24.34 | [busta] | so this is the procedure i should follow to upgrade to etch |
| 12:24.35 | [busta] | that's it ? |
| 12:24.39 | Nyle | jelly, I thought it was mutt |
| 12:24.41 | Nyle | but i was wrong |
| 12:24.45 | [busta] | from sarge->etch |
| 12:25.05 | Andreas_A | 12 Jun 10:10:54 ntpdate[32120]: step-systime: Operation not permitted <- Anyone who knows why I cant set the time? |
| 12:25.27 | Nyle | because i looked up mutt, and it didn't look like the one I used so i knew it must have been the other one, I can't remember THAT far back literally half my life |
| 12:25.30 | Nyle | heh |
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| 12:26.21 | flowolf | hi |
| 12:26.27 | Skratz0r | petemc; looking up webpages still takes ages; and it dosen't show signs of being openDNS |
| 12:26.28 | Skratz0r | :( |
| 12:26.39 | flowolf | I installed some packages from debian experimental repository |
| 12:26.48 | flowolf | and now I would like to upgrade them |
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| 12:26.52 | mrak | hello ther |
| 12:26.59 | mrak | s/ther/there |
| 12:27.08 | Nyle | ok so search returns 'alpine' |
| 12:27.10 | petemc | Skratz0r: the syntax of resolv.conf is very simple |
| 12:27.11 | flowolf | but apt-get -t experimental upgrade would upgrade much more than only the packages installed from experimental |
| 12:27.20 | flowolf | how can I upgrade only them? |
| 12:27.34 | Nyle | jelly, oh nm you already told me of alpine |
| 12:27.47 | Skratz0r | petemc; I don't think I got it wrong, no, I was just saying it dosen't seem to have changed. |
| 12:27.53 | jelly | Nyle: alpine is freeeee |
| 12:27.59 | Nyle | why is pine not in debian? because of the pine lisence? |
| 12:28.06 | jelly | Nyle: yes |
| 12:28.13 | Nyle | but isn't it free also? |
| 12:28.14 | petemc | Skratz0r: aptitude install bind9 |
| 12:28.18 | jelly | Nyle: no |
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| 12:28.26 | flowolf | no idea? |
| 12:28.27 | cydork | Nyle, but source is there afaik.. |
| 12:28.38 | Skratz0r | petemc; what be that? |
| 12:28.39 | Nyle | http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html |
| 12:28.45 | jelly | Nyle: not dfsg compliant |
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| 12:28.51 | Nyle | I see that |
| 12:28.53 | petemc | Skratz0r: install a caching nameserver (like bind9) and use 127.0.0.1 for your namesever |
| 12:29.39 | Nyle | !info alpine |
| 12:30.01 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.10+dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2704 kB, Installed size: 6036 kB |
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| 12:30.46 | Nyle | !pine |
| 12:30.46 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified Binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include <elm>, <mutt>, <spruce>, <sylpheed>, <balsa>, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To build pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about <nano>, or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
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| 12:31.09 | Nyle | ahh |
| 12:31.23 | Nyle | so only binary distrution is not dfsg ? |
| 12:31.43 | Nyle | Redistribution of binary versions is further constrained by license agreements for incorporated libraries from third parties, e.g. LDAP, GSSAPI. |
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| 12:33.07 | Nyle | I don't really care, I mean I could use whatever, I just thought of pine because that was my first unix email client in middle school |
| 12:33.24 | Nyle | first new os besides windows, it was cool, I felt l33t |
| 12:33.36 | mrak | can i ask for lame question ... i remove disks from box (sda and sdb in raid1 as root) after reinstall to box it tell me grub error 22 ... i boot from live cd for grub-install to hdds but it tell me sync does not have any corresponding BIOS drive ..so i did it by hand grub> root (hd0,0) free screen; setup (hd0) it pastes to me checking if "/boot/grub/stage1 and 2 yes ... checking if "/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0)"... 20 sectors are embedded succeeded and |
| 12:33.36 | mrak | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.48 | mrak | error 22: no such partition |
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| 12:34.33 | Nyle | !info pico |
| 12:34.49 | mrak | can anybody tell me how can i fix it |
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| 12:38.13 | stew | Nyle: the pine license is discriminitory against some people which violates dfsg#5 |
| 12:38.42 | themill | dt Nyle pico |
| 12:38.46 | themill | gah |
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| 12:38.47 | stew | discriminatory* |
| 12:38.56 | themill | m Nyle pico ; |
| 12:38.59 | themill | fuck |
| 12:39.05 | themill | Nyle: /msg dpkg pico |
| 12:39.11 | stew | themill: first day with the new keyboard? |
| 12:39.23 | themill | stew: it looks like it doesn't it |
| 12:39.27 | [busta] | stew |
| 12:39.58 | [busta] | is there other way to setup avahi-daemon ? without to upgrade to etch |
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| 12:41.40 | stew | [busta]: i don't know. is there some reason you don't want to upgrade to etch? |
| 12:41.50 | Nyle | stew, wow |
| 12:42.01 | Nyle | stew, which people? |
| 12:42.03 | Nyle | !policy |
| 12:42.04 | dpkg | well, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 12:42.42 | themill | Nyle: istr that the pine and pico licences require you to forward all changes upstream which is not dfsg free |
| 12:42.42 | Nyle | !dfsg |
| 12:42.43 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 12:42.57 | stew | Nyle: whomever the us government decides. for instance, you could not redistribute it to cuba |
| 12:43.00 | stew | Nyle: please /msg the bot |
| 12:43.12 | Nyle | my bad |
| 12:45.37 | themill | Nyle: http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html |
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| 12:45.52 | sts | hello folks. |
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| 12:46.02 | stupidknight_ | how can I check which debian version I'm running? |
| 12:46.13 | Nyle | themill, I just read that I think |
| 12:46.15 | Nyle | that sucks. |
| 12:46.48 | sts | how does logrotate know which files to rotate in /var/log? i had a look at the configuration, but there are only some directives for specific files in /var/log not for the whole server... any ideas? |
| 12:47.11 | themill | Nyle: There's the cuba thing and there's also the no-redistribution of derived versions problem. (the qmail problem) |
| 12:47.21 | stew | sts: its configured in /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 12:47.50 | stew | sts: if you are seeing files that are rotated but not configured there, they are probably syslog files which are roatated by syslog in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 12:48.33 | Skratz0r | Hee hee. :P |
| 12:48.49 | Skratz0r | openDNS is so much faster than what I had before. .. What is the default DNS server; anyway? |
| 12:48.59 | Bushmills | release of final version of FF3 planned in 5 days., seems it will wake it into lenny after all. |
| 12:49.10 | Skratz0r | s/I had/was in place |
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| 12:49.17 | Nyle | Bushmills, nice |
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| 12:49.33 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: as publics dns? or as alternative root server net? |
| 12:49.40 | Nyle | though is it me or does it seem that firefox has become the very thing it sought not to? |
| 12:49.46 | Nyle | iow, bloated. |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | Bushmills: if it's not superbuggy .. and remember that the debian folks have to iceweasel it |
| 12:50.11 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; the first one. :P |
| 12:50.33 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: run your own caching recursor - much faster./ |
| 12:51.04 | Skratz0r | :| |
| 12:51.17 | Skratz0r | Like petemc suggested? That bind9 thing? |
| 12:51.23 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: because then you don;t need to share access to DNS with a lot of other people |
| 12:51.35 | Skratz0r | Hmm |
| 12:52.01 | Wyzard | Skratz0r: I use pdnsd for that, on my router (which is a Debian box) |
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| 12:52.23 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: pdnsd, dnscache (from dbjdns package), maradns, and more, are all very suited |
| 12:52.28 | Skratz0r | hm |
| 12:52.43 | stew | as is bind9 |
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| 12:53.00 | Skratz0r | Mm. :) |
| 12:53.11 | Wyzard | Skratz0r: together with the resolvconf package, so pdnsd automatically gets configured with the ISP's nameservers |
| 12:53.24 | Wyzard | (dynamically, even if they change) |
| 12:53.27 | sepski | are there any tools in debian that can update the dns record of a debian computer in a active directory windows domain ? |
| 12:53.29 | Bushmills | using bind9 means supporting monoculture :P |
| 12:53.31 | Shadur | growls at Evolution. Well, that attempt at a renewed love affair lasted all of fifty seconds when it became obvious that the "thread messages" option seems to be either missing or hidden by a psychotic UI designer. |
| 12:53.58 | abrotman | eh .. i've seen it |
| 12:54.16 | Shadur | Any idea where? |
| 12:55.24 | stew | using djbware means... |
| 12:58.31 | microtux | . |
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| 12:59.28 | BW^- | how do i get glibc 2.4 into debian etch? |
| 12:59.37 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: this might give you an idea how DNS times compare: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213275537009957381.png |
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| 13:00.08 | BW^- | i have a binary compiled driver that requires it. doesn't seem to be available on backports.org. |
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| 13:00.28 | Bushmills | each dns is called twice. uncached and cached. first is remote server, international, over vpn. second is provider dns. third is local recursor. |
| 13:00.43 | Skratz0r | Woah |
| 13:01.41 | BW^- | is libc 2.6 back-compatible to 2.4 ? |
| 13:01.48 | BW^- | backwards-compatible |
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| 13:02.09 | wols_ | there is no libc 2.4 or 2.6 in debian |
| 13:02.47 | BW^- | i have a driver that requires it. what do? email them and ask for sourcecode? |
| 13:02.58 | wols_ | and what driver would need a different linc version? it's a driver after all |
| 13:02.59 | stew | BW^-: you don't want glibc 2.4 on etch. if you have something that requires it, you should recompile it |
| 13:03.02 | stew | BW^-: yes |
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| 13:03.25 | wols_ | BW^-: if you talk about kernels: driversmodules for 2.4 will not work in 2.6 |
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| 13:04.02 | BW^- | it's an XORG graphics driver |
| 13:04.08 | BW^- | would that work with 2.6+ |
| 13:04.36 | wols_ | BW^-: for what hardware? |
| 13:04.52 | BW^- | a villagetronic vtbook pccard graphics card. http://www.villagetronic.com/vtbook/download.html |
| 13:05.00 | BW^- | i have xorg 7.1.1. |
| 13:05.24 | cheater | hi |
| 13:05.32 | cheater | is there any place in london that hands out free debians? |
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| 13:05.43 | BW^- | they have a driver for 7.2 too, don't know what libc version that one has though. |
| 13:05.45 | abrotman | i think there's a #debian-uk on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:06.04 | cheater | what's oftc? it sounds wrong and i'm not sure i should go there |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
| 13:06.24 | petemc | cheater: look up london linux user group and ask them, #debian-uk isnt for support |
| 13:06.29 | cheater | yes, what does oftc stand for? |
| 13:06.35 | BW^- | wols_: so i'llö email them and aso for drivers, right? |
| 13:06.52 | cheater | petemc ok! |
| 13:07.01 | cahoot | The Open and Free Technology Community |
| 13:07.05 | wols_ | BW^-: yes. but they will ignore you since they don't make any. they just hand out what Via gives them |
| 13:07.20 | cheater | is that like open computing |
| 13:07.27 | cheater | like when i take the cover off? |
| 13:07.29 | BW^- | via ? |
| 13:07.29 | wols_ | BW^-: "lspci -n |grep VGA" output for that please |
| 13:07.30 | petemc | cheater: there arent any mechanisms for debian to give away cds, so you're relying on some kind soul doing it for you |
| 13:07.31 | BW^- | it's a trident card. |
| 13:07.40 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.42 | wols_ | oops. even worse |
| 13:07.58 | cheater | petemc ok thank you |
| 13:08.18 | cheater | you were very helpful thanks |
| 13:08.18 | BW^- | wols_: that command gives no output. but, lspci -v gives some output to itö |
| 13:08.38 | BW^- | wols_: 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Unknown device 9960 (rev 89) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 13:08.39 | Bushmills | there was an initiative which collected and redistributed donated linux cds, but that's not debian specific. also i forgot how they called themselves |
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| 13:09.04 | abrotman | Bushmills: AOL ? |
| 13:09.14 | Bushmills | abrotman: linux? |
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| 13:09.17 | BW^- | wols_: just to get the point - so etch has glibc 2.3 only, no 2.6. right? |
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| 13:09.19 | abrotman | joke |
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| 13:09.35 | stew | BW^-: correct |
| 13:09.43 | BW^- | ok! emailing them asking for source |
| 13:09.58 | stew | BW^-: i doubt it would be legal for them to give you source |
| 13:10.25 | Bushmills | cheater: news agents .. computer journals often come with cdroms. pick one with debian on it. |
| 13:10.29 | BW^- | ok |
| 13:10.33 | wols_ | BW^-: the trident driver which ships with Xorg should be able to use the card |
| 13:11.11 | BW^- | wols_: hm. |
| 13:11.15 | Bushmills | (though it's more likely to be able to grab one in the weeks after lenny became stable) |
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| 13:12.15 | BW^- | wols_: ok test ! |
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| 13:12.47 | wols_ | BW^-: tho the "unkown" from lspci might a big worrying. just try. and of course no 3D |
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| 13:13.15 | stew | cheater: try the debian-uk mailing list: http://chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/ |
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| 13:14.15 | J_P | hi all |
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| 13:14.36 | Bushmills | cheater: convince a friend to install debian. make him download debian. then pinch his cdroms. |
| 13:14.42 | BW__ | wols_: i get "no device found" on that. |
| 13:14.50 | BW__ | please note that this is a pccard graphics card, its a kind of special thing. |
| 13:14.55 | BW__ | its the only one on the market |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | only one ever sold? |
| 13:15.25 | abrotman | BW__: try an `update-pciids` |
| 13:15.29 | BW__ | abrotman: no, but quite many |
| 13:15.44 | BW__ | wols_: "Done." |
| 13:15.52 | BW__ | still no screens found. |
| 13:17.03 | BW__ | wols_: whoa now it has got a new name in lspci -v. |
| 13:17.16 | BW__ | trident microsystems cyberblade xp1 rev 89 |
| 13:17.20 | BW__ | VGA controller |
| 13:17.28 | Bushmills | AMD has published the instruction set of the R600 GPU, and more "detailled information". AMD intends to release "3D Programmers Guide" shortly. |
| 13:17.43 | BW__ | now running setpci -s 06:00.00 COMMAND=02 |
| 13:17.53 | BW__ | still no screens found. :( |
| 13:18.16 | BW__ | wols_: any idea? |
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| 13:21.06 | hel | i am currently using a knoppix live cd, andi need help getting my Xorg working in debian. My log file says "no screens found" however i can see my monitor listed as "default monitor" in my config file. |
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| 13:22.41 | Bushmills | who is interested in R600 register docs and instruction set, can find it at http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/r600isa.pdf |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | BW__: isn't that thing from the 90s ? |
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| 13:22.53 | BW__ | abrotman: no idea. |
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| 13:23.07 | BW__ | abrotman: think they released it 2001-2004 or something though dunno |
| 13:23.14 | BW__ | the chipset has some age yep |
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| 13:23.54 | client | sorry to repeat but i got kicked off: i am using knoppix live cd right now. i would like to know if someone can help me with my debian Xorg, i get a "fatal error, no screen found" in my log file, whereas imy monitor is detected in the config file. |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11771 |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | where'd he go darn it |
| 13:25.04 | stew | last seen heading north |
| 13:25.07 | g00se | Has anyone come up with a personal (iow wearable) ogg player? |
| 13:25.18 | J_P | Hey all, I have installed debian + blackbox. So I would like know how how machine boot debian and enter directally in window manager without login. Any idea ? |
| 13:25.30 | stew | client: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:25.47 | stew | client: if that doesn't fix it, show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:26.10 | stew | J_P: you can setup gdm to auto-login using gdmsetup |
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| 13:26.45 | client | thank you stew... i'll get back into debian and see what i get... if not i'll be back to learn a little more about this pastebin, i assume its so i don't floop the channel wiith tons of lines. |
| 13:26.57 | BW^- | i look at it as that i need a driver from a vendor. |
| 13:27.00 | abrotman | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11771 |
| 13:27.02 | stew | client: yes, you can upload files to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:27.03 | abrotman | BW^-: ^^ |
| 13:27.14 | NetNiet | after 'apt-get install xfce4' should there be a xfce4 in my init.d dir or how do i start this desktop ? |
| 13:27.17 | BW^- | thanks for giving a hand! |
| 13:27.19 | J_P | stew: good! I will test that. Thanks man ;-) |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | BW^-: google "trident cyberblade debian" |
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| 13:28.54 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.30 | abrotman | looks for the sailboat |
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| 13:30.14 | Nyle | NetNiet, use gdm, and go /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 13:30.19 | g00se | NetNiet: do you have xfce4-session too? |
| 13:30.28 | Nyle | NetNiet, xfce doesn't have a login manager |
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| 13:30.39 | Nyle | NetNiet, or you can launch starxfce I think. |
| 13:30.45 | Nyle | startxfce4* |
| 13:31.34 | Nyle | or if you have more than one, update alternatives with x-session-manager I think, make it xfce and 'startx' |
| 13:31.50 | BW^- | abrotman: nothing there |
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| 13:32.06 | BW^- | abrotman: i think there's a reason the vendor provided an own driver, i'll wait for their response |
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| 13:33.09 | NetNiet | Nyle ... It say' s loading Desktop ...I used starcfce4 & |
| 13:34.08 | Nyle | congrats |
| 13:35.22 | NetNiet | Nyle thx it looks good on my 400 Mhz laptop :-) |
| 13:35.27 | Nyle | yw |
| 13:35.30 | NetNiet | g00se: xfce4-session is already the newest version. |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | BW^-: nothing where? i found quite a few hits |
| 13:36.01 | Nyle | NetNiet, familiar with enlightenment |
| 13:36.02 | Nyle | ? |
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| 13:36.24 | BW^- | abrotman: but what would be relevant? |
| 13:36.36 | abrotman | the ones that ask how to make it work ? |
| 13:36.41 | JyZyXEL | ERROR: Your kernel and/or iptables does not have IPP2P match support. |
| 13:36.44 | JyZyXEL | can i has it? |
| 13:36.46 | BW^- | abrotman: my prob is that the default driver doesn't detect the card. the other guys don't have the same pro |
| 13:36.47 | BW^- | b |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | BW^-: paste your X log somewhere |
| 13:37.33 | NetNiet | Nyle.. beleaf it or not but that's year's back (in those day's this laptop was the newest model) |
| 13:37.47 | BW^- | abrotman: ok 3min |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | loses interest and falls asleep |
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| 13:39.08 | Nyle | NetNiet, yeah me too back in the days |
| 13:39.34 | Nyle | NetNiet, I've been craving some enlightenement again lately... though I'm scared of e17 (from what I read) |
| 13:40.16 | Nyle | NetNiet, which laptop is it? |
| 13:40.26 | NetNiet | Cpmpact armada |
| 13:40.33 | NetNiet | compac |
| 13:40.37 | Nyle | q |
| 13:40.39 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:40.45 | NetNiet | CompaQ Armada |
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| 13:40.51 | NetNiet | Yep |
| 13:41.03 | Nyle | NetNiet, wanna hear something cool? |
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| 13:41.13 | NetNiet | I'm preparing it for the holyday to spain |
| 13:41.22 | NetNiet | Yep Nyle |
| 13:41.49 | Nyle | NetNiet, CompuADD 14" laptop, 25.33MHz 386 SX, 4MB RAM, 80MB HDD,3.5" |
| 13:41.57 | abrotman | NetNiet: those are actually decent laptops for linux IIRC |
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| 13:42.14 | Nyle | NetNiet, floppix |
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| 13:42.19 | abrotman | the one i had ran it well |
| 13:42.29 | Nyle | and/or 3.11 for Workgroups |
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| 13:43.29 | Nyle | NetNiet, I have sarge/testing on a powerbook 3400C too, nice little laptop |
| 13:43.29 | NetNiet | Ooo Nyle ... I justcleaned up my room trowing everyting out under 468 and that included my Vis20 |
| 13:43.34 | NetNiet | Vic 20 |
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| 13:43.43 | Nyle | i should update it |
| 13:43.46 | BW__ | do you have an email address? |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:43.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:44.05 | Nyle | BW__, email has been around since 1971... |
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| 13:44.33 | Nyle | ala Thomlinson |
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| 13:45.04 | Bushmills | Nyle: installation and working of E17 is ok. updates often atm, but from .debs. no real reason to be scared. |
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| 13:45.53 | Nyle | BW__, my oldest machine surviving in working order is the 1992 CompuADD machine |
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| 13:46.06 | Nyle | oh and maybe an ATARI |
| 13:46.16 | Bushmills | though i'll probably uninstall E17 som again. no added value here. |
| 13:46.26 | guysoft42 | hi all, i am using evolution in a KDE dekstop, and it keeps asking me for the gnome-keyring . and never remembers my e-mail passwords when i do give it the key. is there a way to make it remember my passwords? |
| 13:46.29 | Nyle | Bushmills, how about a previous version? |
| 13:46.57 | Bushmills | previous to E17? E16 you mean? |
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| 13:47.28 | Bushmills | i actually like E17 better than E16. or better, i dislike E17 less. |
| 13:47.43 | BW__ | abrotman: |
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| 13:47.50 | m4rtijn | hi |
| 13:47.55 | BW__ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/PJy33q12.html |
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| 13:48.05 | abrotman | moment |
| 13:48.21 | BW__ | abrotman: the third-last execution was with villagetronic's proprieatary driver for xorg 7.2. it blanked screen and i needed to reboot. |
| 13:48.33 | BW__ | abrotman: the second-last execution was with the default trident driver, only. it only exitted. |
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| 13:48.47 | Jemt | !error |
| 13:48.48 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 13:48.54 | Jemt | Greetz. I want to hold back new kernel images on my installation. Performing "dpkg --get-selections" gives me a list with two kernel entries (linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686). Is it possible to hold back both (and future packages - ie 2.6.19) using one command? Something like: echo linux-image* hold| dpkg --set-selections (the wild card is probably not necessary - don't know) |
| 13:48.56 | BW__ | abrotman: the last execution is for the onboard intel card + the default trident driver. X starts, but only onboard intel shows up. |
| 13:49.00 | m4rtijn | im trying to install clockingit .. but I get this error: rake aborted! No such file or directory - /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 13:49.18 | m4rtijn | I found mysql.sock but in /var/lib/mysql/ |
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| 13:49.31 | BW__ | abrotman: hm. it seems to me that it only keeps the last X session in the log file. |
| 13:49.31 | m4rtijn | but i cant copy this file to /tmp |
| 13:49.35 | BW__ | w8 ill get another log file too |
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| 13:50.10 | BW__ | abrotman: in that case, the paste just posted was what i defined as the "last" 3 msgs ago. |
| 13:50.16 | JyZyXEL | aparrently i need iptables sources to compile something |
| 13:50.19 | JyZyXEL | can i get it from apt? |
| 13:50.23 | Skratz0r | Probably |
| 13:50.28 | defrysk | guysoft42, you probable need gnome-control-center and/or gnome-system-tools to configure this |
| 13:50.31 | Skratz0r | something-iptables-something-dev |
| 13:50.36 | JyZyXEL | i think apt-get install iptables-dev gives me headers |
| 13:50.38 | Skratz0r | apt-cache search for iptables |
| 13:50.47 | JyZyXEL | those should be enough? |
| 13:50.50 | BW__ | abrotman: here's the "second last": llation. Performing "dpkg --get-selections" gives me a list with two |
| 13:50.51 | BW__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.51 | BW__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.51 | BW__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:50.55 | Skratz0r | >_> |
| 13:50.59 | defrysk | hehe |
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| 13:51.02 | Skratz0r | Why does noone listen |
| 13:51.08 | JyZyXEL | IPTABLES_SRC = $(wildcard /usr/src/iptables-$(IPTVER)) |
| 13:51.09 | defrysk | what ? |
| 13:51.16 | JyZyXEL | that's not prolly right for debian |
| 13:51.16 | guysoft42 | defrysk, that asks for all of the gnome desktop to be installed |
| 13:51.16 | BW__ | wops sorry. |
| 13:51.23 | Skratz0r | To the not pasting rule. :| |
| 13:51.28 | Skratz0r | Not yuo; defrysk |
| 13:51.30 | BW__ | abrotman: the "next-last execution" is on rafb.net/p/iRHxfK52.html |
| 13:51.33 | guysoft42 | defrysk, also, i seem to think the fix will come from KDE, not gnome |
| 13:51.33 | defrysk | guysoft42, those are dependencies |
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| 13:51.42 | JyZyXEL | i can see /usr/include/iptables.h |
| 13:51.57 | defrysk | guysoft42, evolution is a gnome app |
| 13:51.58 | guysoft42 | defrysk, are you on KDE or gnome? |
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| 13:52.04 | defrysk | is in gnome |
| 13:52.35 | Skratz0r | Gnome is the greatest. |
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| 13:52.43 | intx | help, something is seriously wrong.. df -h says i'm using 1.8GB on /var, when I switch to /var and use du as root, it says there's only 598mb of files? |
| 13:52.46 | BW__ | abrotman: do you see the prob? |
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| 13:52.54 | abrotman | still reading |
| 13:52.57 | defrysk | gnome rules imo |
| 13:53.01 | g00se | !tell JyZyXEL about m-i |
| 13:53.10 | JyZyXEL | worked |
| 13:53.33 | JyZyXEL | just changed the IPTABLES_SRC to "/usr/include" |
| 13:53.48 | guysoft42 | defrysk, ah, well my problem is more around kde than gnome |
| 13:53.56 | Skratz0r | Thats where the system header files go; JyZyXEL |
| 13:54.44 | defrysk | guysoft42, at least install gnome-keyring-manager |
| 13:54.53 | defrysk | to set up your keyring for evolution |
| 13:55.35 | guysoft42 | defrysk, ah, that i can do |
| 13:55.55 | BW__ | brb |
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| 13:57.22 | incorrect | hello, is there a debian way of turning off MX lookups on exim4 ? |
| 13:57.39 | BW__ | interestingly Xorg identifies the card as PCI: (6:0:0) Trident Microsystems unknown chipset (0x9960) rev 137 even after i ran updateide |
| 13:57.40 | pyross | is there any documentation on how to add s/key auth to ssh ? |
| 13:58.03 | pyross | and is is there some kind of option in sshd_config u must include so it starts using s/key |
| 13:58.14 | pyross | or even in pam.d/ssh ? |
| 13:58.17 | pyross | thanks |
| 13:58.20 | SlayerXP | incorrect: errm, why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:58.52 | guysoft42 | defrysk, ah.. it just poped up a dialog with all the questions when i ran gnome-keyring-manager .. |
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| 13:58.59 | JyZyXEL | g00se whats the real keyword for the m-i ? |
| 13:59.14 | BW^- | abrotman: idea? |
| 13:59.15 | guysoft42 | defrysk, that really should be a dependency for evolution... |
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| 13:59.43 | incorrect | SlayerXP, i've got no idea, someone asked me as i used to use debian about 6 years ago |
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| 13:59.54 | JyZyXEL | so iptables library directory is /usr/include in Debian?? |
| 14:00.03 | JyZyXEL | there is no /usr/lib/iptables/ |
| 14:00.07 | SlayerXP | incorrect: the short answer is "your question makes no sense" |
| 14:00.19 | g00se | !tell JyZyXEL about m-a |
| 14:00.25 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: what is supposed to be in said library directory? |
| 14:00.37 | g00se | pyross: man sshd_config |
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| 14:01.01 | wols_ | incorrect: MTAs are designed and required by RFC to look up MX records |
| 14:01.06 | JyZyXEL | wols_ just trying to figure out where to copy the libipt_ipp2p.so |
| 14:01.36 | JyZyXEL | oh looks like there is a /lib/iptables |
| 14:01.36 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: in a place in your library search path. hint: /usr/include/ is NOT one |
| 14:01.37 | incorrect | sorry i mean reverse MX look ups |
| 14:02.10 | SlayerXP | incorrect: there's no such thing as a reverse MX record. |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | BW^-: did you even read the error log ? |
| 14:02.59 | BW^- | abrotman: yep |
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| 14:03.14 | BW^- | abrotman: it says it doesn't find any trident card, rigth? |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | BW^-: the first one you gave me is trying to use an intel driver .. and probably would have worked except it couldn't find your mouse |
| 14:03.20 | incorrect | i am sure there was a method to check the host connecting to you has an MX record |
| 14:03.54 | BW^- | abrotman: right, the first one i passed used the intel graphics card successfully, but failed the trident. |
| 14:04.00 | BW^- | the second tried trident only and failed with ti |
| 14:04.04 | wols_ | SlayerXP: is reverse DNS a myth then? |
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| 14:04.24 | abrotman | BW^-: and the second one is trying to use a trident driver on the intel card |
| 14:04.41 | BW^- | abrotman: on the intel card ?? |
| 14:04.58 | BW^- | abrotman: but... the trident driver is forced int he configuration to use the PCI:6:0:0 device, no? |
| 14:05.03 | abrotman | BW^-: see near line 148 and then at the bottom |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | you might want to ask #xorg also |
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| 14:05.40 | SlayerXP | incorrect: exim can do that, if you want it to |
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| 14:06.31 | BW^- | abrotman: how do you see in the second log that it tries to use the intel card ? |
| 14:06.31 | incorrect | SlayerXP, well if its turned on, the config is generated by debconf iirc, there is a master config file that you can set options in, however i don't know the option to set to disable this feature |
| 14:06.43 | BW^- | abrotman: is it the star sign to the right of PCI:? |
| 14:06.46 | JyZyXEL | so where is the tutorial how to use m-a |
| 14:07.11 | stew | JyZyXEL: just run "m-a" and follow the menus |
| 14:07.22 | JyZyXEL | oh a ncurses thingy |
| 14:08.06 | Bushmills | "method to check the host connecting to you has an MX record" is probably not what you mean. |
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| 14:08.39 | Bushmills | even if it does, it doesn't make a difference. i think you mean "whether the host which connects is the one it pretends to be" |
| 14:08.45 | JyZyXEL | i don't think m-a can help me with ipp2p |
| 14:08.51 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't support it |
| 14:09.11 | BW^- | abrotman: how do you see the trident driver tries to use the intel card? |
| 14:09.39 | g00se | JyZyXEL: It can help if you're building from source and it's available. You seemed to be doing so... |
| 14:09.54 | JyZyXEL | i don't see how its gonna help =P |
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| 14:10.09 | JyZyXEL | when it doesn't support the module |
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| 14:10.42 | Bushmills | incorrect: MX record relevant for sending mail, not for receiving. |
| 14:10.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: what is ipp2p? do you ahve a ipp2p-source or ipp2p-src debian pacakge? |
| 14:11.00 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 14:11.05 | JyZyXEL | i just downloaded the sources |
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| 14:11.28 | stew | JyZyXEL: then no, m-a isn't going to help unless you are planning to package your own ipp2p-source package that is setup for m-a |
| 14:11.30 | BW^- | i'll ask the vendor guys |
| 14:11.36 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
| 14:11.40 | BW^- | #xorg seems to be asleep |
| 14:11.48 | JyZyXEL | well i already compiled the module |
| 14:12.07 | JyZyXEL | - insmod ipt_ipp2p.o / ipt_ipp2p.ko or copy to your kernel modules dir and do a "depmod -a" |
| 14:12.11 | JyZyXEL | that i don't just understand |
| 14:12.27 | JyZyXEL | you cannot insdmod .o files |
| 14:12.36 | NetNiet | Any idee how i set a zd1211 wifi card in monitor mode ? |
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| 14:12.51 | stew | JyZyXEL: you can insmod .o files if you are on a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:12.57 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 14:13.06 | JyZyXEL | well i got taht .ko file insmodded |
| 14:13.31 | JyZyXEL | lsmod shows i have ipt_ipp2p loaded |
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| 14:14.13 | JyZyXEL | but i have no idea how to make iptables detect the new library |
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| 14:16.22 | abrotman | BW^-: i read it |
| 14:16.53 | BW^- | abrotman: i see it says "primary screen pci:02:00.00" at one place |
| 14:17.11 | tvynr | I'm running Debian Etch with the non-free nVidia drivers. Ever since a reboot a few days ago (a result of my trying the backport kernel and finding it not to my liking), X has been really unstable. |
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| 14:17.34 | tvynr | The question: if I have nvidia-glx=1.0.8776-4 and nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64=1.0.8776+6, is that a problem? |
| 14:17.35 | BW^- | gtg. |
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| 14:20.24 | tvynr | Any guesses anyone? By unstable, I mean that I clicked on the "File" menu in oocalc and the X server is unresponsive and eating one of my cores completely. |
| 14:20.54 | tvynr | But it often crashes as well, I think in correlation with OpenGL activity (such as produced by QEMU). |
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| 14:22.05 | libertad | Wich's the better hosting service? |
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| 14:22.12 | libertad | and economic |
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| 14:22.37 | wols_ | libertad: wrong channel |
| 14:23.25 | libertad | wols_: Do you know someone? |
| 14:23.39 | wols_ | no |
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| 14:31.42 | GER|max | hi, I recently changed things on my debian amd64 server (doing new partitions, probably lost some files from /var/lib), since that I am no longer able to execute 32bit binaries. ia32-libs is installed, "./quake3.x86" says "no such file or directory" and "ldd quake3.x86" says "not a dynamic executeable". does someone know how i can further debug? |
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| 14:32.20 | libertad | Wich's the better hosting service? |
| 14:32.27 | magyar_ | hi can clamscan scan exe files on a linux smb system, or do I need a plugin? |
| 14:32.54 | pyross | i have finished setting up tacacs+ and its working with DES passwords generated off htpasswd -n ; but now i want to make it via skey ? what do i need to change in my sshd_config and my pam.d/ssh ???? i have skeyinit and skey bins to generate the sequence and the key but its still not working |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | libertad: WRONG CHANNEL |
| 14:33.54 | wols_ | magyar_: if it's mounted, sure it can |
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| 14:34.52 | magyar_ | wols_, i am running clamscan on some exe files that are infected with Tanatos worm, but they come up clean, I use the volotile branch |
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| 14:35.22 | wols_ | nobody aaid AV programs are worth shit.except AV vendors |
| 14:35.55 | magyar_ | hmm |
| 14:36.26 | Maulkin | wols_: I did. |
| 14:36.30 | twobitwork | what do you all recommend to listening to internet radio that's more lightweight than rhythmbox? |
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| 14:36.36 | balasyum | hi |
| 14:36.44 | balasyum | where can I obtain a debian 2.2 iso? |
| 14:36.47 | balasyum | cd image |
| 14:36.50 | twobitwork | CLI stuff is fine with me |
| 14:36.51 | KineticBug | How do I make windows (when browsing the filesystem with gnome) open in the same window, instead of popping up new ones |
| 14:36.58 | wols_ | !potato |
| 14:36.58 | dpkg | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 14:37.02 | Maulkin | wols_: see http://blog.halon.org.uk/geek/debian/security/clamav-archive-scanning.html |
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| 14:37.28 | abrotman | Maulkin: but you're english .. no one listens to you anyways! :) |
| 14:37.45 | Maulkin | abrotman: my constituants do :) |
| 14:37.56 | twobitwork | balasyum: wow... I didn't think anyone still ran potatoe |
| 14:37.58 | wols_ | Maulkin: sure. it's a great grep ersatz. as AV product the whole category is still snakeoil |
| 14:37.58 | abrotman | Maulkin: if they did, you'd not have been elected :) |
| 14:38.02 | balasyum | thank you |
| 14:38.13 | twobitwork | er, potato |
| 14:38.29 | abrotman | balasyum: potato has no support at all anymore |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | and hasn't since like .. 2001 or something |
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| 14:38.47 | bsmntbombdood | twobitwork: mplayer |
| 14:39.05 | balasyum | tbh, I've been requested to get one |
| 14:39.12 | _NoxIn_ | I still use potato ... when cooking |
| 14:39.14 | abrotman | balasyum: wtf, why? |
| 14:39.19 | twobitwork | bsmntbombdood: I seem to remember having problems getting mplayer to connect to streams... also, isn't it still a bit bloaty? |
| 14:39.22 | balasyum | don't know yet |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | balasyum: do you have a 486 to run it on? :) |
| 14:39.48 | MolePrince | Howdy, when running truecrypt on Debian, I'm getting speeds of 10KB/s encrypting an SD device. It started at 3-5MB/s and has dropped steadily. Is this normal? |
| 14:40.23 | abrotman | balasyum: http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-2.2/ .. the installer floppy images are under that directory somewhere (i'll give you the exact URL if you can't find it) |
| 14:40.39 | balasyum | http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 14:41.07 | balasyum | I do a wget -r -np and what's the next? |
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| 14:42.01 | twobitwork | balasyum: next is to ask your boss/whoever why they want 2.2... it won't support any new hardware... |
| 14:42.14 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to capture a video and audio stream from a runnning xine player to hard disk? Can I use an additional output device? |
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| 14:43.19 | vlt | xine is successfully playing an "interactive" DVD which dvdrip refuses to read ... |
| 14:43.36 | NetNiet | I still have the Poatato CD's and a nice bookje for the install |
| 14:43.55 | Lagbolt | vlt not sure how to do it in xine but you can use mplayer and vlc to rip the streams. |
| 14:44.09 | Lagbolt | dvdrip uses transcode to do the ripping i believe |
| 14:44.36 | vlt | Lagbolt: How can I use mplayer for playing back this DVD? |
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| 14:44.58 | Lagbolt | vlt, do you only want to extract the titles or are you trying to get menus as well? |
| 14:45.25 | Lagbolt | vlt mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile foo.vob dvd://<title #> |
| 14:45.43 | JyZyXEL | i suppose its not wise to backport iptables? |
| 14:45.58 | jelly | JyZyXEL: why would it not be? |
| 14:46.00 | vlt | Lagbolt: Hmmm, I'm afraid the whole DVD contains only of menus ;) It's a kind of interactive game ... |
| 14:46.10 | JyZyXEL | jelly i don't know :O |
| 14:46.26 | jelly | JyZyXEL: what makes you suppose that, then? |
| 14:46.33 | Lagbolt | vlt, try dvdbackup :) |
| 14:46.36 | JyZyXEL | i don't know that either |
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| 14:46.54 | Lagbolt | vlt, or k9copy <-- that will also work with menus . .. not sure how well with a "game" type dvd |
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| 14:48.13 | balasyum | a pentium 2 system potato crashed, it should be repaired |
| 14:48.15 | vlt | Lagbolt: There are 86 titles on the DVD. Title 01 is 00:00:00.010 while 02-86 are 00:00:00.000 ... hmmmm :( |
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| 14:48.23 | balasyum | that's why I needed the image |
| 14:48.47 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to search already backported packages? |
| 14:49.14 | JyZyXEL | backports.org doesn't seem to have a search engine |
| 14:49.22 | Lagbolt | vlt , dvdbackup will get everything and put it in a nice DIR you can then use xine to play or reburn to a dvd |
| 14:49.37 | balasyum | you add the repo to the sources.list and apt-cache search package? |
| 14:49.45 | JyZyXEL | slow |
| 14:50.07 | vlt | Lagbolt: Ok, I'll try that. |
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| 14:51.07 | Lagbolt | vlt not really a debian topic, join #debian-offtopic if you want to talk more about dvds |
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| 14:51.32 | balasyum | should etch run well on a pentium 2 machine? |
| 14:51.50 | balasyum | where potato ran? |
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| 14:52.29 | JyZyXEL | looks like if i wanna backport iptables from sid i need new kernel also |
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| 14:55.04 | JyZyXEL | dpkg-source -x package.dsc |
| 14:55.10 | JyZyXEL | what is package.dsc |
| 14:55.46 | JyZyXEL | it should be dpkg-source -x package-version.dsc |
| 14:56.19 | vlt | Lagbolt: Yes, it was more a "hey, I'm running Debian ... what tool is available there to ..." question ... |
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| 14:57.18 | sigp239 | why does rhythmbox say Unable to activate plugin Magnatune Store, Cover Art, and Jamendo? |
| 14:57.23 | Lagbolt | vlt its cool man. if you need help about it i am in offtopic too. i have a lot of experience with dvd stuff so feel free to drop me a line if you have more questions |
| 14:57.40 | sigp239 | I don't have any of those plugins checked off in the plugins menu. |
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| 15:00.11 | helo | where is that japanese fellow's page with the wifi etch installer? |
| 15:00.29 | petemc | kmuto ? |
| 15:00.48 | helo | yes, thanks |
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| 15:01.26 | JyZyXEL | who made this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 15:01.29 | JyZyXEL | its horrible |
| 15:01.46 | deego | After upgrading xserver-xorg-core in debian stable (current dsa), do I need to restart the x server? |
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| 15:02.21 | mmlj4 | duh |
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| 15:03.59 | deego | mmlj4: I'm sorry, the answer is not that obvious to me. I'd rather avoid disturbing the users if I can.. |
| 15:04.12 | helo | deego: you don't have to, but you probably should :) |
| 15:04.12 | mmlj4 | ah. |
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| 15:04.39 | JyZyXEL | i need linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
| 15:04.44 | mmlj4 | things might work just fine, but certainly you're going to have to restart X at some point |
| 15:04.45 | JyZyXEL | how do i get that |
| 15:05.08 | deego | So, I am still using the "old one" until I restart? |
| 15:05.10 | helo | JyZyXEL: are you running etch? |
| 15:05.16 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 15:05.20 | JyZyXEL | its not in the etch repo |
| 15:05.33 | JyZyXEL | i cant excactly install it from sid repo? |
| 15:05.34 | deego | (.. ime, usually, the patche advises so, if that is the case) |
| 15:05.58 | helo | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about backports |
| 15:06.12 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 15:06.18 | JyZyXEL | its not in the deb-src repo either |
| 15:06.19 | lxsameer | hi , i have debian etch . and i can't search my bluetooth device ? what should i do? |
| 15:06.22 | JyZyXEL | dammit |
| 15:06.30 | helo | simmah down nah! |
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| 15:06.48 | jelly | JyZyXEL: have you read "/msg dpkg ssb"? |
| 15:06.53 | JyZyXEL | im gonna add the binary repo and install it form there |
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| 15:07.02 | chops | JyZyXEL: That's not recommended |
| 15:07.08 | JyZyXEL | well what else can i do |
| 15:07.10 | chops | JyZyXEL: You'll ugprade a lot of your system to sid if you do that |
| 15:07.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: binary repo from sid? Don't. |
| 15:07.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: 2.6.25-1-common doesn't sound like something that comes from debian. did you compile that kernel yourself? |
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| 15:07.28 | JyZyXEL | stew no |
| 15:07.31 | JyZyXEL | backport needs it |
| 15:07.33 | chops | JyZyXEL: What's wrong with following the directions on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or from "/msg dpkg ssb"? |
| 15:07.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: where did you get that kernel? i've not before seen a kernel with -common |
| 15:07.58 | JyZyXEL | chops the deb-src doesnt have a package named linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
| 15:08.10 | JyZyXEL | stew a backport needs it |
| 15:08.15 | JyZyXEL | iptables backport from sid |
| 15:08.16 | chops | JyZyXEL: It's 2.6.25-2-common now |
| 15:08.24 | jelly | stew: it's a build-dep |
| 15:08.29 | JyZyXEL | well thats no linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
| 15:08.41 | chops | JyZyXEL: Sounds like an FTBFS bug in iptables that will get fixed soon... in the meantime, have you tried using testing instead of sid? |
| 15:08.54 | stew | whaddyo know |
| 15:09.00 | JyZyXEL | wait isn't testing == sid |
| 15:09.10 | chops | JyZyXEL: No |
| 15:09.12 | JyZyXEL | well damn |
| 15:09.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, testing == lenny, unstable == sid |
| 15:09.17 | JyZyXEL | i forgot |
| 15:09.27 | stew | i guess i haven't kept up with these new fangled kernels :P |
| 15:09.28 | JyZyXEL | i wanted a lenny package |
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| 15:11.48 | JyZyXEL | looks like its a big difference to run "rm -r iptables *" and "rm -r iptables*" |
| 15:12.00 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 15:12.17 | AbsintheSyringe | after last deluge-torrent update, my tray icon is just too big, any suggestions debian lenny |
| 15:12.21 | JyZyXEL | nice cleaning effect on my /root/ |
| 15:12.38 | chops | JyZyXEL: Good thing you have backups, right? |
| 15:12.46 | JyZyXEL | what backups? |
| 15:13.01 | JyZyXEL | ill prolly need a new .bashrc |
| 15:13.29 | chops | JyZyXEL: If that mistake is what makes you realize that backups are actually worth doing, then the knowledge will have been cheap at the price |
| 15:13.29 | JyZyXEL | oh looks like it wasn't even removed |
| 15:13.32 | JyZyXEL | how nice ;) |
| 15:13.42 | chops | JyZyXEL: .* is not included in * |
| 15:13.56 | JyZyXEL | i accidently pressed space |
| 15:14.13 | truebosko | How do I delete a file named -R? rm -R .. obviously wont work as it confuses linux :) |
| 15:14.32 | chops | truebosko: rm -- -R |
| 15:14.33 | petemc | rm -- -R |
| 15:14.37 | truebosko | ah |
| 15:14.46 | JyZyXEL | why not '-R' |
| 15:14.54 | truebosko | I tried that, didn't seem to work |
| 15:15.09 | petemc | the shell eats up the quotation marks |
| 15:15.16 | truebosko | thanks JyZyXEL |
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| 15:15.26 | chops | JyZyXEL: The quotes are processed by the shell, but -R is processed by the rm executable itself |
| 15:15.30 | sigp239 | why does rhythmbox say Unable to activate plugin Magnatune Store, Cover Art, and Jamendo? |
| 15:15.31 | sigp239 | I don't have any of those plugins checked off in the plugins menu. |
| 15:15.34 | dbmoodb | hi ah lenny -- some stuff got frozen yeah ? |
| 15:15.37 | JyZyXEL | uh huh |
| 15:15.57 | truebosko | oops I meant thanks chops :P |
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| 15:16.02 | chops | truebosko: np |
| 15:17.44 | JyZyXEL | lenny iptables package Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 5.0), linuxdoc-tools, quilt, linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
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| 15:18.04 | JyZyXEL | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
| 15:18.35 | JyZyXEL | E: Unable to find a source package for linux-headers-2.6.25-1-common |
| 15:18.39 | chops | JyZyXEL: Ah, the FTBFS bug has propagated to lenny |
| 15:18.45 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 15:18.54 | chops | JyZyXEL: You could try manually hacking debian/control in iptables; it should still build |
| 15:19.16 | JyZyXEL | yea... |
| 15:19.28 | dbmoodb | ftbfs ? |
| 15:19.31 | libertad | Wich's the better hosting service? |
| 15:19.34 | chops | JyZyXEL: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482502 |
| 15:19.34 | jelly | !ftbfs |
| 15:19.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftbfs is "fails to build from source" |
| 15:19.36 | dbmoodb | libertad: none |
| 15:19.47 | dbmoodb | your own |
| 15:20.05 | dbmoodb | wait... there is a .25 kernel in lenny now ? |
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| 15:20.37 | bushblows | I compiled a new kernel for debian, 2.6.25.4, I have been tinking with this for a bit now, I am having some issues with sound playing on my surround, sound plays fine on my headsets, I tried to run alsaconf did not fix it, dmesg shows 'ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0f.1 disabled' 00:0f:1 is listed as my sound hardware from lspci, alsamixer shows 'MM' on 'surround'. Amixer shows Surround is on, but no sound comes out. any thoughts? |
| 15:21.00 | chops | Actually, I'm not too wild about iptables depending on a specific linux-headers package without seeming to need any specific version... that seems wrong. |
| 15:21.04 | abrotman | libertad: do NOT ask again, last warning |
| 15:21.12 | JyZyXEL | lol you can actually just change it |
| 15:21.55 | libertad | abrotman: It's a simple question |
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| 15:22.23 | liable | 25 hit lenny? |
| 15:23.18 | dbmoodb | libertad: not my repo yet |
| 15:23.30 | dbmoodb | what did this happen ? |
| 15:23.31 | chops | liable: 25 is in lenny, yes |
| 15:23.36 | lxsameer | when is the date of final release of lenny ? |
| 15:23.39 | dbmoodb | when* |
| 15:23.40 | libertad | I don't want already space |
| 15:23.42 | JyZyXEL | but where is the linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common |
| 15:23.47 | JyZyXEL | i can't find that either |
| 15:23.51 | chops | !tell lxsameer about wwlr |
| 15:23.53 | dbmoodb | JyZyXEL: repos are updating i take it |
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| 15:24.12 | JyZyXEL | huh? |
| 15:24.13 | dbmoodb | chops: debian lenny is now being called "stable" in apt, which i find very amusing |
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| 15:24.24 | chops | dbmoodb: No it isn't |
| 15:24.31 | dbmoodb | give i crash pidgin, gnome-terminal and some gnome-applets often |
| 15:24.43 | dbmoodb | chops: well what do you say too gpg: key F42584E6: "Lenny Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" not changed |
| 15:25.00 | dbmoodb | yes its the gpg key, but there is no stable lenny yet so go fish |
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| 15:25.30 | chops | dbmoodb: The existence of a stable release key doesn't imply stability of the release |
| 15:25.34 | lxsameer | gimp is perfect |
| 15:25.45 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.25 |
| 15:25.47 | JyZyXEL | and i get nothing |
| 15:26.03 | dbmoodb | JyZyXEL: just wait a bit perhaps -- check packages.debian.org |
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| 15:26.52 | JyZyXEL | looks like i have to get it from sid repo |
| 15:26.59 | mns | Anyone know how I can take several JPEGs and make one JPEG out of them that shows all of them together ? Basically take about 4-5 thumbnails and make one big jpeg out of it. |
| 15:27.08 | Lagbolt | JyZyXEL, yeah it is in sid dont think it is in lenny yet |
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| 15:27.32 | JyZyXEL | so im gonna backport this too? |
| 15:27.51 | JyZyXEL | apt-get source linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common |
| 15:27.57 | JyZyXEL | like that? |
| 15:28.06 | cahoot | mns: convert -adjoin perhaps |
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| 15:28.09 | Lagbolt | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.25 |
| 15:28.19 | JyZyXEL | Lagbolt but im on etch |
| 15:28.22 | intx | I have a partition mounted twice under mount, is this fixable without rebooting? |
| 15:28.23 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 15:28.34 | chops | Lagbolt: 2.6.25 is in lenny now |
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| 15:28.45 | JyZyXEL | now? |
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| 15:28.54 | xsdg | mns: by hand, just use inkscape. automatically, imagemagick is probably your best bet (see what cahoot said) |
| 15:29.01 | Lagbolt | chops, it is? as of today? cause yesterday i looked at policy and it was still unstble |
| 15:29.05 | chops | JyZyXEL: Probably best to change the dependency to some etch kernel headers, actually, if you're running against an etch kernel. |
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| 15:29.21 | enzo | hi |
| 15:29.28 | mns | cahoot, xsdg: thanks. |
| 15:29.33 | JyZyXEL | chops you think that will work? |
| 15:29.53 | JyZyXEL | its iptables afterall |
| 15:30.00 | JyZyXEL | netfilter could have changed alot |
| 15:30.28 | enzo | i'm on debian testing, when i switch on my computer with a screen, i get a high resolution, but if i boot with no screen at all, i get only a resolution a 640x480, any idea to force a high resolution, whatever screen is plugged ? |
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| 15:30.45 | g00se | mns: join them with Gimp |
| 15:30.48 | chops | Oh, jeebuz... no, 2.6.25 is _not_ in lenny. But iptables requiring 2.6.25 headers in order to compile _is_ in lenny. Ugh. |
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| 15:32.33 | JyZyXEL | chops i changed the depency to etch kernel headers =D |
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| 15:33.12 | JyZyXEL | i hope i don't end up with a broken iptables |
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| 15:33.35 | chops | JyZyXEL: Sort of a silly, question, I know... but you have checked if there's a new iptables on backports.org, right? |
| 15:33.42 | mns | g00se: thanks. |
| 15:33.47 | JyZyXEL | chops yea there was none |
| 15:33.49 | dbmoodb | chops: that isn't a solution |
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| 15:34.15 | Neeesat | How can I disable screensaver and screen from shutdown? I am using X and icewm |
| 15:34.21 | JyZyXEL | well it sure is building it :) |
| 15:34.33 | JyZyXEL | if there are no errors then it should be ok =D |
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| 15:35.04 | chops | dbmoodb: Why is that not a solution? |
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| 15:35.46 | eshat | HEY ALL |
| 15:35.51 | rmop | hello all |
| 15:35.57 | eshat | first at all i must say: i love debian ,... |
| 15:36.21 | eshat | and this IRSSI irc-client is just great, is there any better irc client ? I don't think so :D |
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| 15:36.39 | wols_ | eshat: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 15:36.54 | mns | irssi has nothing to do with debian and vice versa ... :) |
| 15:36.55 | eshat | wols_: actually it's irssi related |
| 15:37.04 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:37.07 | mns | eshat: #irssi ? :) |
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| 15:37.24 | macafe | Hi... How I do to this line of my crontab "27 12 * * * /opt/lidermidia/backup_svn.sh 2>&1 >> /var/log/lidermidia/backup_svn.txt" do ALL output to this log file? |
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| 15:37.34 | eshat | Ohh yes i habe a question |
| 15:37.37 | eshat | *have |
| 15:37.49 | JyZyXEL | well i have 1.4.0 now |
| 15:38.03 | JyZyXEL | and the stupid ipp2p module still refuces to load |
| 15:38.10 | JyZyXEL | what a crappy module |
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| 15:38.31 | chops | JyZyXEL: What's it say when you try to load it? |
| 15:38.38 | JyZyXEL | iptables -m ipp2p --help |
| 15:38.38 | JyZyXEL | iptables v1.4.0: Couldn't load match `ipp2p':(null) |
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| 15:38.51 | JyZyXEL | the kernel module loads ok |
| 15:38.58 | macafe | How I can do to redirect all output of one command in shell to file of log? |
| 15:38.59 | JyZyXEL | but the iptables shared library doesn't work |
| 15:39.03 | wols_ | have you ran ldconfig? |
| 15:39.08 | JyZyXEL | me? |
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| 15:41.09 | WormFood | if I install scim, can I type in chinese? |
| 15:41.41 | eshat | which programm do i need to send mails via a remote SMTP Server (terminal mode only) |
| 15:41.45 | mmlj4 | there's a law against it |
| 15:42.16 | wols_ | telnet, mail, etc |
| 15:42.21 | petemc | eshat: debian requires you have a mta installed, so exim4, postfix, ssmtp etc |
| 15:42.24 | XTZGZoReX | What does avahi-daemon do? |
| 15:42.37 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: mdns |
| 15:42.49 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: didnt help me =P |
| 15:42.57 | wols_ | cause you#re too lazy to google |
| 15:43.07 | XTZGZoReX | but but but |
| 15:43.10 | XTZGZoReX | :< |
| 15:43.14 | XTZGZoReX | Google is evil |
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| 15:43.51 | Lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, says right in man page what it does |
| 15:44.06 | dbmoodb | XTZGZoReX: avahi-daemon is ok |
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| 15:44.11 | Lagbolt | then you wont have to google :) |
| 15:44.28 | XTZGZoReX | :D |
| 15:44.31 | XTZGZoReX | oh what |
| 15:44.33 | dbmoodb | there is wikipedia2text you know |
| 15:44.35 | XTZGZoReX | how do I exit man again? |
| 15:44.35 | XTZGZoReX | >_< |
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| 15:45.02 | Lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, you are ridiculous |
| 15:45.04 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 15:45.14 | dbmoodb | ~ moo |
| 15:45.15 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 15:45.15 | aptitude | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:45.29 | dbmoodb | wait why did i get apt and aptitude ? |
| 15:45.32 | XTZGZoReX | Lagbolt: but but, it wont exit man =O |
| 15:45.37 | XTZGZoReX | Lagbolt: oh, q... |
| 15:45.40 | XTZGZoReX | >_> |
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| 15:45.49 | Lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, sounds like you need to do more man'ing |
| 15:45.53 | dbmoodb | XTZGZoReX: try q |
| 15:46.01 | Lagbolt | man man |
| 15:46.03 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:46.05 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 15:46.28 | dbmoodb | ane know why i got both bots ? |
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| 15:46.32 | dbmoodb | ~bot |
| 15:46.32 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 15:46.32 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 15:46.43 | dbmoodb | is that meant to be like that ? |
| 15:47.03 | fireba11 | nope |
| 15:47.37 | dbmoodb | @ moo |
| 15:47.38 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 15:47.49 | dbmoodb | ok .... what is apt just by itself ? |
| 15:48.03 | XTZGZoReX | Advanced Packaging Tool if I remember correct |
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| 15:48.14 | XTZGZoReX | 17:48Â… dpkg: [apt] Advanced Packaging Tool, |
| 15:48.15 | XTZGZoReX | yup |
| 15:48.22 | dbmoodb | not what it stands for what the bot key is |
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| 15:49.21 | abrotman | libertad: it has nothing to do with this channel, please stop asking here |
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| 15:51.45 | eurufulus | Hello folks, |
| 15:51.52 | eurufulus | is it possible to downgrade from PostgreSQL 8.2.7 to 8.2.6? |
| 15:51.58 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 15:51.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
| 15:51.59 | dbmoodb | anyone know how one uses duplicity in reverse, i want to use it to backup files, but in the event that those files change on another computer i want my first computer to then get the changes |
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| 15:52.21 | dbmoodb | eurufulus: it might be --- wols_ this isn't a full debian release (compile it yourself) |
| 15:52.22 | dondelelcaro | eurufulus: why do you want to downgrade postgresql? |
| 15:52.40 | eurufulus | Thanks. |
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| 15:53.26 | intx | I have a partition mounted twice under mount, is this fixable without rebooting? |
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| 15:53.38 | dbmoodb | intx: should be |
| 15:53.54 | PEBMAC | how do I have my debian client to authenticate against microsoft IAS |
| 15:53.57 | PEBMAC | ? |
| 15:54.01 | intx | dbmoodb: where can I find out more information about how to do this? |
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| 15:54.09 | dbmoodb | umount ? |
| 15:54.18 | wols_ | intx: unmount one of them |
| 15:54.20 | dbmoodb | man mount... man umount ? |
| 15:54.44 | intx | it's a busy/in use partition though |
| 15:55.45 | wols_ | then close the programs having open files there |
| 15:55.50 | wols_ | man lsof |
| 15:56.00 | intx | thanks |
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| 15:56.46 | ures | does anyone know how to diff two files and show only the added lines? |
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| 15:57.47 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.39 | rahul | that was for you, ures |
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| 16:00.00 | ures | rahul: doesn't work only shows some of the differing lines the files are "dpkg -l" before and after X was installed |
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| 16:01.18 | halflife08 | hello folks, i have only one network card on my system but it is recognized as eth1, i did do a lspci to verify that. ifconfig eth0 gives the error saying no such device. i had to change the network config from eth0 to eth1 to get the system to connect to the net i am using lenny |
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| 16:03.00 | chops | !tell halflife08 about z25 |
| 16:03.38 | g00se | ures: how about diff a b | grep '^>' |
| 16:04.29 | dbmoodb | anyone got any hints for duplicity for me ? |
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| 16:04.52 | Cooooool | hi all |
| 16:04.52 | eurufulus | is there a postgresql 8.2.6 binary package for Debian? |
| 16:05.01 | abrotman | !pdo |
| 16:05.01 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 16:05.14 | halflife08 | chops: thanks for the hint. i am curious as to what changed that caused eth0 to be renamed as eth1 when it is only card present in the system, i can understand when there are 2 cards |
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| 16:06.26 | ures | g00se: that shows the lines that were present in the previous file as well |
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| 16:07.23 | rahul | ures: diff -u, I think |
| 16:07.41 | rahul | ures: then only added lines will have + before them |
| 16:08.07 | rahul | gah, I shouldn't be doing this |
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| 16:10.28 | g00se | ures: OK. How about something like find /var/cache/apt/archives -type f -amin -30 (new packages last half hour) |
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| 16:12.46 | n3kl | Is there a real difference between putting a luks on an lvm, vs an lvm on a luks? |
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| 16:15.00 | eshat | Hey all ,... i habe a problem with my console |
| 16:15.20 | eshat | i removed the file /etc/bash.bashrc by mistake |
| 16:15.25 | eshat | how can i get it back ? |
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| 16:15.33 | prem | Hi all, |
| 16:15.49 | eshat | already tried dpkg-reconfigure bash ,... did not help |
| 16:15.56 | eshat | hi prem |
| 16:16.32 | prem | how to make init-script report colorised Ok/Fail, (currently it prints done). |
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| 16:17.04 | eshat | prem: i would like to know that too ,... i think it is a file in etc ,... don't ask which one |
| 16:17.11 | defrysk | apt-get install bash --reinstall |
| 16:17.21 | eshat | defrysk: did not help,.. already tried |
| 16:18.12 | eshat | other suggestions ? |
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| 16:19.04 | defrysk | eshat, I'll pastebin mine for you |
| 16:20.06 | WormFood | this is weird....when I maximize a iceape, it thinks the max horizontal is 745, but vertical is ok....my resolution is 1024x768....anyone have any ideas on what is going on? |
| 16:20.29 | eshat | defrysk: that would be great |
| 16:20.40 | WormFood | I figured it out...still weird |
| 16:20.49 | eshat | WormFood: taskbar ? |
| 16:20.49 | defrysk | eshat, my /etc/bash.bashrc : http://pastebin.ca/1046113 |
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| 16:21.02 | WormFood | I had clicked on my clock applet, and the calendar window was still open |
| 16:21.05 | prem | I have seen other distributions like Gentoo printing something like * Starting dhcpd [ok] (and ok is in green) |
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| 16:21.23 | WormFood | that is just wrong! That makes no sense |
| 16:21.30 | eshat | prem: it is possible to get the same effect on debian |
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| 16:22.10 | prem | eshat, could you please give more information on what and where to change |
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| 16:22.12 | eurufulus | I found the .deb for postgresql 8.2.6, I have 8.2.7 installed, if i dpkg -i the 8.2.6 one will that work as a downgrade |
| 16:24.33 | eshat | prem: hmmm give me 5 minutes |
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| 16:25.11 | prem | eshat, looks like it is the /lib/lsb/init-functions but not sure what to change |
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| 16:26.09 | g00se | eshat: echo -e "\e[32;40mOK\e[0m" |
| 16:26.12 | dbmoodb | and why do you want it to be green ? |
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| 16:26.19 | eshat | prem: no it's not that |
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| 16:26.49 | eurufulus | folks |
| 16:26.50 | maxamillion | i'm running debian sid on my eeepc, so my storage space is limited, i was wondering about a couple things ... is there any way apt can auto clean up used space from old kernels as well as all the pdiffs? |
| 16:26.51 | Orion_X11 | I think that I do not have a package which shows screen resolution > 1024x756 etc... Because when I to # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it stops on the keyboard resolution and do not proceed to video card resolution |
| 16:26.57 | Orion_X11 | Help |
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| 16:27.15 | eurufulus | if I have a PostgreSQL 8.2.7 installed and I want to downgrade to 8.2.6 a simply dpkg -i the old version would work as a downgrade? |
| 16:27.23 | Orion_X11 | Which could be that package? |
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| 16:27.48 | onur | Hi. How can i save hardware clock without reboot? It's saving when halting computer. |
| 16:27.48 | n3kl | Orion_X11: 756? |
| 16:27.54 | maxamillion | Orion_X11: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 16:28.14 | n3kl | onur: man hwclock |
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| 16:28.23 | maxamillion | Orion_X11: see if that helps |
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| 16:28.30 | eshat | I got it |
| 16:28.37 | onur | ok thanks n3kl |
| 16:28.43 | vagothcpp | Does debian have a method of "refreshing" the computer as if it was restarted without the actually shutdown and start up of the computer (i.e: completly free unnessecary SWAP, RAm & video card memory? |
| 16:28.43 | n3kl | np |
| 16:28.53 | eshat | prem: it is lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 16:28.54 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: What is 756? |
| 16:29.10 | n3kl | Orion_X11: you said 1024x756. Thats a strange resolution |
| 16:29.24 | wols_ | vagothcpp: why would you want to? |
| 16:29.38 | wols_ | and when is allocated RAM unecessary? |
| 16:29.38 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: That was an example |
| 16:29.39 | n3kl | vagothcpp: a better question would be, "does linux..." |
| 16:29.45 | prem | eshat, and where can i find that script, my /lib/lsb just contains one file init-functions |
| 16:29.47 | n3kl | Orion_X11: I was just clarifying |
| 16:29.56 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: ok |
| 16:30.05 | eshat | prem: it is /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
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| 16:30.45 | n3kl | Orion_X11: not sure that is a standard file. |
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| 16:30.49 | prem | eshat, sorry, I dont seem to have that file |
| 16:30.51 | n3kl | er no Orion_X11 |
| 16:30.53 | vagothcpp | A server which is consistently starting and stopping, in most cases using up much RAM & Swap... I want to be able to clear it all out before it starts again, will I have to get something written, or does debian/linux do this automatically after closing a service (unlinke windows)? |
| 16:30.55 | n3kl | eshat: ^^ |
| 16:31.16 | eshat | prem: then install lsb-base |
| 16:31.38 | eshat | prem: wait |
| 16:31.50 | n3kl | vagothcpp: linux handles memory very well, why do you need to reboot? |
| 16:31.54 | _NoxIn_ | vagothcpp: when a process stop, all the mémory it was using is freed |
| 16:32.01 | eshat | it is not that package |
| 16:32.09 | vagothcpp | Swap included? |
| 16:32.14 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: dpkg-reconfigure used to show screen options, but now it doesn't more :-( |
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| 16:32.38 | n3kl | Orion_X11: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:32.40 | n3kl | it should |
| 16:32.45 | defrysk | vagothcpp, I can assure you linux handles ram and whatnot excellent |
| 16:33.07 | stefano | hi there. I've a etch system running in a XEN amd64 env. I don't know if the "etch" in the dom-u is a i386 or a amd64 version of the Debian. How can I see it? uname gives a 64 bit kernel, but it's normal since the host machine is 64 bit |
| 16:33.12 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: that's why I asked if I am missing some package(s) |
| 16:33.13 | vagothcpp | Great, Im moving of windows 2008 server... just checking my options |
| 16:33.32 | n3kl | Orion_X11: I would do an apt-get update && apt-get -f install && apt-get upgrade, and then try it again |
| 16:33.57 | eshat | hmm that is really strange |
| 16:34.04 | vagothcpp | 1 thing, do you have anything smaller than DVD's for installs? |
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| 16:34.13 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: Thx |
| 16:34.20 | _NoxIn_ | vagothcpp: netinst CD ? |
| 16:34.24 | n3kl | Orion_X11: np, its worth a try |
| 16:34.27 | eshat | on my ubuntu machine i changed it ,.. and i also have the same boot up like gentoo there |
| 16:34.31 | _NoxIn_ | install base system from CD and the rest from network |
| 16:34.45 | Orion_X11 | n3kl: I will. Thx |
| 16:34.49 | prem | eshat, I think its called splashy |
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| 16:35.14 | n3kl | vagothcpp: if you are asking about a periodic reboot requirement, linux has none. In fact, line only needs to be rebooted in only a few cases, like a kernel upgrade or something |
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| 16:35.46 | eshat | prem: i meant the nosplash version blue brackets with green OK's |
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| 16:36.09 | eshat | isn't that what you are trying to change ? |
| 16:36.35 | vagothcpp | Okay, I be buying a small server, about 24 GB of ram... I have a server it self that needs to be started & stopped. On my windows, after about ten restarts of the server, the whole system starts to lag... |
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| 16:37.01 | dondelelcaro | vagothcpp: that won't be a problem. |
| 16:37.13 | dondelelcaro | (and you shouldn't have to restart the thing that often anyway) |
| 16:37.17 | n3kl | vagothcpp: thats just windows |
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| 16:38.20 | vagothcpp | SO by moving to debian I can eliminate this issue? |
| 16:38.34 | _NoxIn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.50 | JyZyXEL | how small |
| 16:38.52 | Shadowcat | 24GB of ram isn't that much |
| 16:38.53 | dondelelcaro | vagothcpp: sure. |
| 16:39.03 | Shadowcat | you could easily use that much if you ran a java server |
| 16:39.17 | vagothcpp | It's portable code |
| 16:39.19 | spyhd3r | I have two interfaces enslaved into a bond (bond0). My problem is that the interces flap randomly and my bond will then no longer capture data. I tried to lock them to 100/full (speed/duplex) with ethtool, but it (flapping) is still happening. anyone have any suggestions ? |
| 16:39.20 | n3kl | vagothcpp: unless we are missing a vital pirce of information. I have servers that have been up for over a year without a reboot, granted they don't do much, but linux is very reliable in that aspect |
| 16:39.56 | _NoxIn_ | vagothcpp: if there is a memory leak in the code you won't eliminate the issue of having to stop and start the service regularly.. but the system itself won't be affected |
| 16:40.11 | vagothcpp | the reason it starts and stops is with each client it will create a thread, and i having issues with code, when that thread is closed, the server crashes, and starts it self again, although I will have to re-write the threading bit, maybe it too will solve the problem |
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| 16:40.38 | n3kl | vagothcpp: if you have a system with 24G of ram, I would virtualize |
| 16:40.45 | liable | Shadowcat: 24G isnt much? kernel.org runs on that. even slashdot servers dont have that much ram. you suck! |
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| 16:41.02 | Shadowcat | liable: yeah, but they don't use java based servers |
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| 16:41.22 | n3kl | you might almost be able to run firefox on those machines |
| 16:41.23 | liable | Shadowcat: sounds like a good reason why they done... |
| 16:41.25 | Shadowcat | if you run a webserver using JSP you'll be using a lot more than that |
| 16:41.29 | liable | s/done/dont/ |
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| 16:43.15 | vagothcpp | 1 thing, do you have anything smaller than DVD's for installs? |
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| 16:43.30 | chops | Shadowcat: I have a JSP server running JIRA and Confluence, and it makes do with a little over a gig in heap |
| 16:43.31 | wols_ | !netinst |
| 16:43.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
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| 16:44.23 | Shadowcat | chops: but for how many users? |
| 16:44.31 | dondelelcaro | liable: dunno, I've used machines with 64G... |
| 16:44.38 | vagothcpp | I use a dialup connection (or might as well the way its going) |
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| 16:44.54 | vagothcpp | 24GB is not much |
| 16:44.56 | dondelelcaro | and 16G is starting to become normal |
| 16:45.11 | chops | Shadowcat: Around 40; it's an intranet server |
| 16:45.16 | vagothcpp | I have a friend running a 64GB and his laughing at me.... |
| 16:45.26 | Shadowcat | chops: that explains the low mem usage |
| 16:45.27 | liable | dondelelcaro: yeah, but i imagine you are doing pretty intensive scientific sorta stuff? not just being a standard server? |
| 16:45.43 | Shadowcat | vagothcpp: the whole reason there was this 64bit craze was because they were hitting the 32bit barrier using managed code |
| 16:45.48 | n3kl | oh yeah, well I have systems runnign 24M of memory |
| 16:46.05 | dondelelcaro | liable: some of them, yeah. |
| 16:46.11 | vagothcpp | My server does some intensive scientific stuff... 1 part of the crash, small segfault |
| 16:46.12 | dondelelcaro | liable: depends what you're doing, though. |
| 16:46.25 | vagothcpp | on my current machine it just crashes before I get anything useable |
| 16:46.35 | Shadowcat | I mean nowadays you gotta feed Windows 4gb just to keep it happy |
| 16:46.41 | Shadowcat | it's rediculous |
| 16:46.53 | vagothcpp | YOu guys/girls have been real useful and in future endevours hope to be useful to someone else |
| 16:46.58 | JyZyXEL | Shadowcat you mean GB? |
| 16:47.02 | vagothcpp | now for a week of downloading... |
| 16:47.12 | Shadowcat | JyZyXEL: ya |
| 16:47.22 | Shadowcat | Vista on 2gb feels like XP with 512mb |
| 16:47.32 | JyZyXEL | you mean GB and MB ? |
| 16:47.35 | vagothcpp | Shadowcat: So true. |
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| 16:47.46 | Shadowcat | JyZyXEL: you know what I mean |
| 16:47.51 | JyZyXEL | rapes my eyes |
| 16:48.00 | Shadowcat | smacks JyZyXEL with a vista cd |
| 16:48.05 | eshat | Where can I set my Enviroment Variables like $TERM and $SHELL ??? |
| 16:48.19 | Shadowcat | eshat: first off why? |
| 16:48.36 | Shadowcat | those variables are defined in some very important startup files |
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| 16:48.45 | Shadowcat | that shouldn't be edited unless you know what you're doing |
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| 16:48.53 | g00se | 256Mb here ;-) |
| 16:49.08 | vagothcpp | One thing another dude told me: "If you can't find it, leave it." |
| 16:49.15 | ab3l | 16 mb of ram and a p166mhz are enough for use withouth gui ? |
| 16:49.37 | Shadowcat | vagothcpp: this you can probably find, but if you break it you break every script that executes down the line |
| 16:49.38 | vagothcpp | why waste your time on a system like that? |
| 16:49.42 | defrysk | 32k here |
| 16:49.45 | g00se | ab3l: doing what? |
| 16:49.51 | Shadowcat | 640k is enough for anybody |
| 16:49.54 | ab3l | just to act a fileserver |
| 16:49.55 | efaistos | weird the difference of memory used between 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 ... with 24 always 35% used ... now with Oo and firefox opened just 11% |
| 16:49.56 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 16:49.58 | vagothcpp | not my words *gangster don't shoot* |
| 16:49.59 | defrysk | :D |
| 16:49.59 | dbmoodb | ab3l: i think |
| 16:50.23 | dbmoodb | efaistos: how ? |
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| 16:51.38 | efaistos | dbmoodb: didnt do anything |
| 16:51.43 | chops | efaistos: What do you mean by "used"? Linux systems typically keep nearly all of memory "used" for something or other. Also, is it possible you've upgraded to FF3 as well in the meantime? |
| 16:51.57 | efaistos | i mean didnt do any tuning ... just installed the new kernel |
| 16:52.27 | efaistos | chops: was also with FF3 |
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| 16:52.39 | __ryan__ | ff3 good or no? |
| 16:53.02 | efaistos | __ryan__: yeah |
| 16:53.03 | chops | __ryan__: I like it very much |
| 16:53.13 | __ryan__ | cool i'll download it |
| 16:53.14 | dbmoodb | ff3 is coming into lenny yeah ? |
| 16:53.18 | efaistos | works better ... |
| 16:53.20 | efaistos | yaeh |
| 16:53.25 | efaistos | its in sid right now |
| 16:53.42 | dbmoodb | got an eta on that ... 2 weeks then ? |
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| 16:54.05 | abrotman | !wir |
| 16:54.05 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 16:54.18 | dbmoodb | abrotman: nice but i know that |
| 16:54.40 | dbmoodb | how does ff3 work under lenny / sid any good ? |
| 16:55.42 | simonrvn | using it now... |
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| 16:56.10 | efaistos | dbmoodb: using it also ... run smoothly ;) |
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| 16:57.11 | n3kl | Is yaird or initramfs-tools better? Does it matter? |
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| 16:58.17 | __ryan__ | blah it wants new gtk |
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| 16:59.15 | Firefishe | How do I get my logitech usb headset to work with etch/kde? |
| 16:59.27 | eshat | what is yaird ? |
| 16:59.32 | eshat | dpkg show yarid |
| 16:59.32 | dpkg | eshat: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:59.50 | eshat | RTFM ? |
| 16:59.53 | eshat | dpkg RTFM |
| 16:59.54 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 17:00.16 | dbmoodb | yeah... it doesn;t work etch -- check backports perhaps ryan |
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| 17:00.26 | eshat | dpkg info yarid |
| 17:00.35 | __ryan__ | ah i have etch and a half thought i might get lucky :P |
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| 17:00.50 | dbmoodb | etch and a half ? |
| 17:00.59 | __ryan__ | !etchnhalf |
| 17:01.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 17:01.24 | dbmoodb | i know ... but it isn;t released is it ? |
| 17:01.42 | eshat | is there a way to make the dpkg bot show me package informations ? |
| 17:01.43 | __ryan__ | i got it through official aptitude sources so, i'd imagine yes? |
| 17:01.59 | eshat | !yarid |
| 17:02.00 | dbmoodb | really... |
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| 17:02.24 | dbmoodb | eshat: why do you want to pick another ? |
| 17:02.29 | __ryan__ | dbmoodb, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main |
| 17:02.35 | soulchild | dbmoodb: another what ? |
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| 17:03.17 | dbmoodb | initrd / boot thing |
| 17:03.34 | n3kl | its a tool to build an initrd |
| 17:03.45 | n3kl | Anyone know what modules I need to load at boot time for lvm? |
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| 17:03.47 | dbmoodb | mkinitrd ? |
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| 17:09.54 | buntfalke | I need to type the variant of the letter a found in the following word: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/găsi |
| 17:09.58 | buntfalke | hints, anyone? |
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| 17:10.10 | enouf | device mapper stuffs, dm-setup and freinds i guess |
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| 17:10.32 | buntfalke | my keyboard is set to us layout, i used [windows]+"+a so far for an ä for instance |
| 17:11.00 | enouf | soulchild: it's spelled yaird |
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| 17:11.25 | enouf | yet another ... |
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| 17:12.59 | tyson_m | can someone help me get http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/sun-java6-jdk onto etch? |
| 17:13.07 | tyson_m | i'm not sure what i need to add to sources.list |
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| 17:13.14 | tyson_m | or is it that easy? |
| 17:13.33 | g00se | buntfalke: in vim Ctrl-V u 0103 |
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| 17:14.11 | g00se | (in insert mode) |
| 17:14.28 | buntfalke | hmm |
| 17:14.34 | dalurka | tyson_m: cant you just use the one in etch? |
| 17:14.55 | buntfalke | g00se: i wanted something working with x-apps |
| 17:14.56 | tyson_m | there isn't a java6 is etch.. |
| 17:15.10 | dalurka | tyson_m: backports |
| 17:15.24 | buntfalke | g00se: i mean, vim is nice, but i run X and i need to type that rather in emails than when coding :-) |
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| 17:15.45 | g00se | buntfalke: Sorry - don't use 'em |
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| 17:16.16 | tyson_m | ah, neato |
| 17:16.18 | tyson_m | thanks |
| 17:16.34 | buntfalke | g00se: thanks anyway |
| 17:17.12 | g00se | buntfalke: OK. I use Thunderbird so it's 'Insert Symbol or character' or some such |
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| 17:17.45 | themill | buntfalke: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html |
| 17:17.56 | amphi | buntfalke: you want 'Ã¥'? compose/Multi_key a a works here |
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| 17:19.06 | themill | amphi: it's a-breve not a-ring Compose Ua or Compose ba I believe |
| 17:19.43 | tyson_m | hmm. dalurka, it still won't let me.. http://pastebin.com/d835778e |
| 17:20.54 | buntfalke | amphi: no, just check the link, it's an a with an regular closing bracket on top, which is rotated 90 degrees clockwise |
| 17:21.16 | themill | buntfalke: Compose Ua or Compose ba I believe |
| 17:21.33 | buntfalke | thanks! |
| 17:21.38 | buntfalke | ba is it |
| 17:21.47 | buntfalke | i didnt know i can also use letter composed with leters |
| 17:21.49 | buntfalke | letters |
| 17:21.50 | themill | buntfalke: did you check the link I gave you? |
| 17:21.53 | tyson_m | or anyone for that matter- i just setup backports and tried to install java6, but i got this: http://pastebin.com/d835778e |
| 17:21.56 | buntfalke | yes, i am doing so atm |
| 17:22.02 | dalurka | tyson_m: you have to add some stuff to sources.list |
| 17:22.09 | buntfalke | themill: very handy! |
| 17:22.20 | dalurka | tyson_m: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 17:22.32 | tyson_m | yes, i did that |
| 17:22.35 | buntfalke | bookmarked it |
| 17:23.23 | dalurka | tyson_m: then it should work |
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| 17:24.06 | tyson_m | indeed, it should |
| 17:24.37 | amphi | buntfalke: oh, 'ă' - sorry, I misread |
| 17:24.51 | tyson_m | maybe 64 bit platform has something to do with it? |
| 17:24.53 | dalurka | but earlyer you tried to install the jdk now you try to install the jre |
| 17:25.05 | dalurka | perhaps |
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| 17:25.13 | tyson_m | yeah i changed my mind, i really don't need the whole jdk on this system |
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| 17:25.26 | tyson_m | not now, anyway. |
| 17:25.28 | amphi | buntfalke: Multe_key ( a generates ă here |
| 17:25.37 | amphi | *Multi_key |
| 17:26.07 | dalurka | tyson_m: I'm not on 64bit so I really can't help you any further then |
| 17:27.10 | buntfalke | amphi: hm - that is the character i want, but i need compose+b+a to get it, like in the link themill posted before |
| 17:27.32 | wirr | hi there... just installed lenny using the new d-i beta2 using loop-aes encrypted loop. unfortunately the boot process hangs trying to load the loopback device. seems to me that the initramfs is missing losetup util. any hints on how to fix this? |
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| 17:27.47 | helo | what is the best gnome music player? |
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| 17:27.54 | helo | for lenny... |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | helo: the one you like .. |
| 17:28.02 | wols_ | !best |
| 17:28.03 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:28.09 | helo | i've only used amarok, but i'm running gnome onw |
| 17:28.15 | keith4 | so? |
| 17:28.20 | abrotman | helo: many people like rhythmbox |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | and quod libet |
| 17:28.39 | g00se | Any suggestions for a simple photo viewer? Don't want Gimp or browser opening jpgs by default |
| 17:28.42 | helo | which gnome music player is closest to amarok, and can play m4a and mp3? |
| 17:28.45 | defrysk | mono folks use banshee |
| 17:28.45 | dondelelcaro | helo: other people prefer mpd et al. It's really personal preference. Try a few, and pick one that you like. |
| 17:28.55 | keith4 | g00se: eog? |
| 17:28.59 | dondelelcaro | helo: almost everything can play both of those. |
| 17:29.04 | dondelelcaro | g00se: feh |
| 17:29.47 | themill | g00se: kuickshow |
| 17:29.55 | helo | what do i need to install in lenny to play mp3s and m4a with banshee/rhythmbox? |
| 17:30.01 | abrotman | nothing |
| 17:30.05 | wirr | is wondering if nobody ever tried to use the root encryption feature of the debian installer |
| 17:30.14 | dondelelcaro | wirr: lots of people have |
| 17:30.15 | abrotman | wirr: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:30.20 | helo | i remember reading a review on ars of some up and coming gnome music player... was that banshee? |
| 17:30.26 | keith4 | mplayer |
| 17:30.27 | abrotman | wirr: or have you tried without the encryption ? |
| 17:30.28 | dondelelcaro | wirr: if it's not working, you may want to file bugs |
| 17:30.42 | grul | banshee just released version 1.0.0 yesterday (or if it was the day before) |
| 17:30.45 | wirr | thanks a lot - going to ask @ debian-boot |
| 17:30.49 | g00se | Thanks. Looking |
| 17:30.53 | wirr | bye |
| 17:30.57 | wirr | \leave |
| 17:31.02 | tyson_m | weird |
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| 17:31.07 | defrysk | helo you need gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg for that |
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| 17:31.22 | tyson_m | dalurka: i just added sid non-free to sources.list and it worked fine |
| 17:32.50 | phorce1 | I'm looking a the smtp proxies available through apt-get/aptitude. Has anyone used any of them to do "dual delivery" smtp? I need identical copies of all incoming messages to go to two different backend smtp servers simultaneously. |
| 17:33.38 | phorce1 | I need to know where to start so I know which channel/support list to go to from here. |
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| 17:35.39 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you can do that with any of the smtp servers; just have them deliver to the other. |
| 17:35.45 | dondelelcaro | (after making a copy) |
| 17:35.59 | dondelelcaro | it'd require a bit of configuration, but it's something that they should all be capable of doing |
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| 17:37.20 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: it's that "after making a copy" part that's breaking my brain at the moment. I need to figure out which document for postfix has the "internal workings" description. eg. what happens to a message from the time it comes in on 25 |
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| 17:38.09 | abrotman | or ask #postfix ? |
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| 17:38.24 | chrols | Hey does anyone here have any idea how to remap the keyboard for Ctrl key presses? For example if i press Ctrl-C I want it changed to Ctrl-Z while the letter remaining C. I can't seem to figure out how to achive this reading up on xkb and xmodmap |
| 17:39.02 | spamuel | hiya; I have a question about dpkg: I have an old package that reports that it still has its config files on a system. This is true; the config files provided by this package have been used by another replacement package. Without actually purging the files (since they're being used by a replacement package), is there a way I can tell dpkg to forget about any traces of the old one? |
| 17:39.03 | phorce1 | abrotman: I'm asking on the mailing list. I just need to get some basics reinstalled in my brain. It's been a few years since I had topoke around in master.cf |
| 17:39.18 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: you have one postfix front-end and 2 different backend serveurs ? |
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| 17:40.57 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: Correct -- currently the email comes in to the postfix frontend and delivers to itself (amavis/spamassassin) which then delivers to a single backend on a different machine. I need a separate copy to go to another backend BEFOR the amavis step. |
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| 17:41.56 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: you could use an alias I think, something like @domainname: @back1.domainname , @back2.domainname |
| 17:42.37 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: couple different ways, but a simple script which caused a copy of the mail to be delivered to the backend, then sent on to amavis would do; the milter interface can do all of this for you |
| 17:42.41 | _NoxIn_ | the syntax @domain is valid a least in the virtual table of postfix, I'am not sure it's valid in the aliases |
| 17:44.03 | spamuel | phorce1: if what you're trying to do is fork a copy of the mail at the master.cf level, you will need to use a pipe or something to accomplish that. master.cf does not provide for an "auto bcc" styled function that I can recall |
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| 17:44.23 | spamuel | phorce1: however there is an "auto bcc" function you can use, if that helps |
| 17:44.31 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: The fun part is that the username/domain on both backends is the same. This is temporary while switching some server stuff. Both backends will have user@domain1.tld |
| 17:45.07 | phorce1 | spamuel: That's what I was afraid of and why I was looking at external proxies |
| 17:45.32 | spamuel | phorce1: it should really be trivial to hand the e-mail to procmail from within master.cf, no? |
| 17:45.59 | spamuel | phorce1: or whatever you'd choose to copy the e-mail |
| 17:46.35 | phorce1 | spamuel: Worried about mangling headers that shouldn't be mangled/removed/added by handing off to procmail for redelivery. The two copies" |
| 17:46.40 | phorce1 | oops |
| 17:46.55 | phorce1 | copies need to be identical |
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| 17:48.26 | _NoxIn_ | ok so it's not possible with aliases because it would alter the headers |
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| 17:48.33 | phorce1 | the idea is to test the way the new backend handles the EXACT same messages that my current amavis setup handles. |
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| 17:48.45 | pierre- | hello |
| 17:49.01 | pierre- | does anyone have stardict on debian unstable? |
| 17:49.07 | dondelelcaro | mpc play |
| 17:49.11 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not going to work |
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| 17:49.26 | chops | phorce1: Emails do not remain identical during SMTP processing; if nothing else, I would expect that the Received: lines will be different between the two emails |
| 17:49.34 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: and the bcc option doesn't work because the envelope recipient will be the same on both servers. |
| 17:49.57 | stormx | and if the comet hit today ? |
| 17:50.02 | stormx | would we all feel we're doing the right thing ? |
| 17:50.20 | phorce1 | chops: The recieved lines won't vary until after the split. |
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| 17:50.43 | gonzzor | Can I use aptitude to list files in package that I have installed? |
| 17:50.45 | xsdg | I've got a package (ufraw) where the changelog.Debian.gz notes a binary-only NMU, also saying that the source wasn't changed. However, when I build the package manually, it is different than what the most recent version of the package contains. (that is, the program's functionality changes). Where can I find what happened? |
| 17:51.52 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: for the moment you have (I thinkàa line like "content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024" in your main.cf |
| 17:52.05 | xsdg | the top of the changelog is at http://rafb.net/p/cQGn7w34.html |
| 17:52.31 | gonzzor | Never mind, found out dpkg -L |
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| 17:52.54 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: correct |
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| 17:53.31 | _NoxIn_ | maybe it would be possible to replace this, instead of forwardind the mail to amavis you forward it to a simple script (perl, shell, whatever) that duplicate the mail and then resend it to amavis |
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| 17:54.45 | _NoxIn_ | but I don't know how postfix communicate with a content filter ... so it may be complicated to do |
| 17:54.59 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: Thanks -- you've pointed me back to a place to look. This is some of the "basics" that I need to re-read about. I forgot the content-filter line was in main.cf. I've been trying to work this al out through master.cf |
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| 17:55.16 | _NoxIn_ | you're welcome |
| 17:55.43 | chops | xsdg: What functionality is different? |
| 17:56.22 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: I may be able to "fake" another content filter that never returns using the new backend as a send point. |
| 17:56.44 | xsdg | chops: the newer one lets me zoom on the raw preview, as well as change the window size. With the one I get when I compile manually (that is, `fakeroot debian/rules binary`), there is no zoom, and the window size is locked |
| 17:56.59 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: no, postfix give the mail to the content filter and forget it until the content filter inject it back in postfix |
| 17:57.00 | xsdg | I'm upgrading all of the dependencies now just to be sure |
| 17:57.13 | _NoxIn_ | if you do a content filter that never return you'll lose mail |
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| 17:58.28 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: anyway this pose a problem .... |
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| 17:58.43 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: not if it's sending it to a completely different backend for storage |
| 17:58.58 | hetOrakel | hi where can i find in wich repos a certain package sits |
| 17:59.18 | chops | xsdg: I would guess that that has something to do with being build against a newer libgtkimageview0 or libgtk2.0-0, but I don't really know |
| 17:59.19 | _NoxIn_ | phorce1: you won't know if the new server behave exacly like the old one, in term of checkink the sender site, because the sender IP will be the one of your first server |
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| 17:59.25 | defrysk | hetOrakel, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 17:59.25 | lostone | get off my network |
| 17:59.34 | lostone | *sry wrong chan |
| 17:59.51 | xsdg | chops: it's not gtkimageview0; I upgraded from gtk 2.12.8 to 2.12.10, so we'll see if that's the difference |
| 18:00.12 | hetOrakel | defrysk: W: Unable to locate package libopensync-plugin-google-calendar |
| 18:00.23 | phorce1 | _NoxIn_: Ahh, yep that would be a problem |
| 18:00.33 | defrysk | hetOrakel, you need to have the repositories set up |
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| 18:00.46 | hetOrakel | yes, but how do i know wich repos |
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| 18:00.58 | chops | xsdg: Even being built against a new version may change the behavior (say, if there was functionality which was added which involves being rebuilt with an ABI change in order to take advantage of) |
| 18:00.59 | defrysk | hetOrakel, google ? |
| 18:01.19 | hetOrakel | everything leads to http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/libopensync-plugin-google-calendar |
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| 18:01.25 | hetOrakel | no hint there about which repos |
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| 18:03.18 | xsdg | chops: silly debian |
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| 18:03.33 | Skratz0r | waves |
| 18:03.50 | chops | xsdg: What does that have to do with Debian? |
| 18:03.57 | xsdg | chops: it wasn't building against libgtkimageview0. The upshot is that `debian/rules clean` does more than `make clean` :o/ |
| 18:04.04 | defrysk | hetOrakel, its opensync-plugin-google-calendar and it resides in main |
| 18:04.07 | xsdg | chops: but it works now; thanks |
| 18:04.13 | chops | xsdg: As well it should |
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| 18:04.55 | chops | xsdg: 'debian/rules clean' has a very specific meaning (restore the directory to the same state as when the source package is first unpacked); in general it'll do more than make clean, yes. |
| 18:05.02 | DennisO | hello, offer pico a syntax-highlighting? |
| 18:05.03 | hetOrakel | how do i know what to add in sources.list |
| 18:05.18 | xsdg | hetOrakel: "lenny" |
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| 18:05.29 | defrysk | hetOrakel, apt-cache policy opensync-plugin-google-calendar |
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| 18:06.54 | Darth_Tux | hey all, is there a know issue with X that maked fonts on the log in screen huge? and is there a fix? |
| 18:07.21 | chops | Darth_Tux: Check your DPI (using xdpyinfo) |
| 18:07.33 | pozic | Darth_Tux: for me I get a random resolution everytime. |
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| 18:08.12 | pozic | There should be some debugger application that reports which applications change a certain value on a system. |
| 18:08.20 | pozic | Or is there already something like that? |
| 18:08.51 | Darth_Tux | chops thanks, i dont know what to look for |
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| 18:09.07 | stew | pozic: what do you mean by "value"? there are applications which report when file contents have changed? |
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| 18:09.25 | chops | Darth_Tux: Try xdpyinfo | grep -i dpi |
| 18:09.29 | pozic | stew: by value, I mean for example the DPI Darth_Tux was talking about. |
| 18:09.40 | chops | Darth_Tux: I don't happen to remember if that works, but I believe that it does |
| 18:09.49 | Darth_Tux | chops, nothing |
| 18:09.54 | stew | xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
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| 18:10.04 | pozic | stew: or the brightness of my graphics card, or... |
| 18:10.26 | Darth_Tux | stew resolution: 112x968 dots per inch |
| 18:10.53 | simonrvn | wot |
| 18:11.05 | abrotman | that's some tiny dots |
| 18:11.32 | trifler | :) |
| 18:11.48 | Darth_Tux | that isnt good then? |
| 18:11.55 | pozic | And they are a bit rectangular. |
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| 18:12.12 | pozic | But I don't know whether that's normal or not. |
| 18:12.58 | Darth_Tux | it is a pita when ya log in, and cant switch between gnome and xfce |
| 18:13.14 | halflife08 | hello folks, if i setup luks on say /dev/sda2 and then later install grub on /dev/sda2 , would that corrupt the luks setup? right now i have that problem where i can't seem to be able access /dev/sda2 that was encrypted by luks which had grub installed on it,. i am using the correct password |
| 18:13.31 | chops | Darth_Tux: Are you by any chance running an intel card? |
| 18:13.42 | Darth_Tux | chops, why yes i am |
| 18:14.17 | chops | Darth_Tux: Shocked, shocked I am. I've only had a bug open in upstream's bugzilla about ludicrous DPI values for most of a year now. I recommend setting DPI manually from .xinitrc after login; that's what I do in order to get a usable display. |
| 18:14.22 | hetOrakel | exit |
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| 18:15.32 | chops | Darth_Tux: xrandr can set your DPI explicitly. |
| 18:16.46 | Darth_Tux | chops any idea why it is only in the login screen |
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| 18:16.53 | chops | Darth_Tux: No idea |
| 18:16.59 | valdyn | halflife08: thats expected |
| 18:17.07 | valdyn | halflife08: why are you installing grub there? |
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| 18:17.20 | Darth_Tux | do i have to set xrandr to run at boot? |
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| 18:17.28 | chops | Darth_Tux: In my setup the driver's behavior is basically random; maybe your desktop environment is smart enough to override the DPI setting based on your configuration or something, but gdm isn't |
| 18:17.55 | chops | Darth_Tux: It needs to run immediately after X starts but before gdm is run... honestly, I'm not sure how to tell you to get that done :-( |
| 18:18.11 | Darth_Tux | cripes |
| 18:18.24 | chops | Darth_Tux: Filing a bug upstream (including a note that other are having DPI troubles, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368) would probably be nice |
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| 18:18.38 | halflife08 | valdyn: i have /dev/sda1 encrypted by pgp desktop/bootloader (bah) so i am using a usb disk to by pass that and pass to grub, that is why i have it there. |
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| 18:19.46 | valdyn | halflife08: hows that relevant? grub should be on sda |
| 18:20.25 | Darth_Tux | chops, do you also have the ipw3945 wireless card? |
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| 18:20.45 | halflife08 | valdyn: i cannot install it on sda since it will wipe out the pgp bootloader and i can't boot the encrypted pgp partition |
| 18:20.46 | Ward1983 | did anyone try asterisk? any good tutorials on it? |
| 18:20.55 | stew | Darth_Tux: you should be able to fix your DPI problems by explicitly setiting DisplaySize in xorg.conf (man xorg.conf) |
| 18:21.04 | halflife08 | valdyn: i made that mistake once. |
| 18:22.35 | chops | Darth_Tux: Looking over this bug is making me unhappy... I remember how the intel guys seem really eager to dismiss bug reports (in my case, they repeatedly asked for information which they then apparently ignored, repeatedly resolved the bug, asked me to tell _them_ what dmidecode information they could use to work up a DMI quirk, decided that it might be my monitor at fault, told me that there was a configuration that worked for me, and then ignored me when |
| 18:22.42 | chops | Darth_Tux: Not that I am bitter :-) |
| 18:22.52 | chops | Darth_Tux: I opened the bug about a year ago |
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| 18:23.02 | pozic | Is there a way to always show road names in Google Earth? |
| 18:23.12 | chops | Darth_Tux: I do not have that card (this is actually a desktop with an unusual hardware setup) |
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| 18:24.03 | lostone | hello |
| 18:24.05 | lostone | got a quick question. fresh install. i'm at the partitioning stage of the install. i wanted to use "encrypted LVM" but the only option is to use the whole disk. is there any way to do this without using the whole disk? |
| 18:24.07 | pozic | chops: you should blog (yes, I know that's a bad word) about it and get it on some popular website. |
| 18:24.18 | Darth_Tux | chops, both etch and lennt have issues on my laptop, just need to decide which issues are easier to live with |
| 18:24.57 | chops | pozic: What I should do is start my own fork of the intel drivers, based on the old i810 driver, which worked perfectly well for me :-) |
| 18:25.20 | pozic | chops: I was still under the impression that Intel had documented crappy hardware with open-source drivers for 3d. |
| 18:25.31 | chops | pozic: All I want is 2d, honestly |
| 18:25.40 | pozic | chops: but it appears they don't even get the software correct, if I understand you correctly. |
| 18:26.00 | stew | the intel drivers have been great for me |
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| 18:26.15 | chops | pozic: I'm not too eager to criticize them, because they're at least authoring drivers and committing them to the open source repositories, which is the right approach |
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| 18:26.55 | pozic | Another way for them to fix it is to hook up some webcam and give them root to your machine. :) |
| 18:26.58 | g00se | dondelelcaro: feh looks possible. Do you use it yourself? |
| 18:27.06 | chops | pozic: But I think the execution has been really poor. There's just an enormous gulf between the way people react to you when they're contributing their time to try to make something work, and the way people react when they're supporting/implementing software because someone who has control over them has told them that they have to. |
| 18:27.10 | pozic | chops: that would be true support. |
| 18:27.14 | Darth_Tux | stew, how do i determine the correct dpi? |
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| 18:27.25 | dondelelcaro | g00se: yes. |
| 18:27.29 | chops | pozic: I think I offered that at one point on one of the other bugs |
| 18:27.44 | g00se | dondelelcaro: do you find it shows the first image smaller? |
| 18:27.49 | stew | Darth_Tux: measure the monitor, put DisplaySize in xorg.conf, and then the server calculates dpi based on resulution |
| 18:28.08 | dondelelcaro | g00se: depends on what options you use it with. |
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| 18:28.43 | g00se | dondelelcaro: well i tried -F --zoom 30 |
| 18:28.43 | chops | pozic: A lot of the people there deal with bugzilla as if they're in charge and you're asking them for a favor by reporting a bug, I think is the real problem. Back when it was community-developed drivers, bugs would either get resolved or ignored. Now it seems like there's pressure to "make them go away". |
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| 18:29.09 | g00se | dondelelcaro: and -D2 <directory> and both showed first image smaller |
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| 18:29.57 | pozic | chops: well, the "community" (the invisible "hive mind", haha) should develop the drivers if Intel doesn't want to, but then they should say that clearly. |
| 18:30.09 | Darth_Tux | stew, there is no display section in my xorg.conf |
| 18:30.22 | chops | pozic: Like I say, I think the devil is in the details |
| 18:30.24 | dondelelcaro | g00se: uh... it displays them all the same size here |
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| 18:30.45 | dondelelcaro | g00se: feh -FD2 --zoom 30 .; that of course assumes that the images are all the same size to begin with. |
| 18:31.03 | pozic | chops: you are just way too demanding. Why would you want to see what's on your screen? Oh, never mind. |
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| 18:31.15 | g00se | dondelelcaro: Fairly sure they are - same camera |
| 18:31.30 | dondelelcaro | g00se: you'd normally want feh -FZD2 .; anyway. |
| 18:31.35 | stew | Darth_Tux: it would go into the Monitor section |
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| 18:31.56 | Darth_Tux | stew, yes, it isnt there, i can just add it? |
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| 18:31.59 | g00se | dondelelcaro: Ah OK. Where would the zoom percent go? |
| 18:32.05 | stew | Darth_Tux: yes |
| 18:32.11 | Darth_Tux | cool, thanks |
| 18:32.17 | chops | stew: FWIW, the intel driver was at one point giving me a broken DPI even when I specified DisplaySize (see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368#c18) |
| 18:32.49 | wm4 | so it's looks like debian unstable makes the transition from firefox/iceweasel 2 to 3, but is there still a iceweasel 2 version? |
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| 18:33.20 | eshat | Hi all,... how can i make mutt use a remote smtp when sending mails ? |
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| 18:34.41 | chops | pozic: I think someone good-hearted at intel decided to support open source the right way, other more or less good-hearted people implemented the driver and tried to maintain it, and the corporate structure at some point started putting a bunch of drones (which corporate structures like that are inevitably riddled with) in charge of taking up some of the slack from the goodhearted people who were overloaded. |
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| 18:35.11 | dondelelcaro | g00se: why use it? |
| 18:35.22 | dondelelcaro | g00se: you generally want the image as large as it can be and still fit on screen |
| 18:35.34 | chops | pozic: Really, there's no solution. Well, we could take all the drones out back and shoot 'em, but I have a feeling we're too outnumbered for that to be realistic :-). |
| 18:36.44 | g00se | dondelelcaro: So it'll automatically scale it? |
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| 18:37.00 | dondelelcaro | g00se: yes. |
| 18:37.14 | g00se | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I'll try it |
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| 18:37.24 | wm4 | also, how do I prevent certain packages to be updated by apt-get when a newer version is avilable? I only know the dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections way |
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| 18:37.56 | markybob | !pinning |
| 18:37.56 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 18:38.04 | basix_ | how do i install firefox2 on debian? I downloaded it off mozilla.com since I couldnt find it in synaptic. It says missing "error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so" I'm running Lenny. |
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| 18:38.21 | valdyn | basix_: why dont you use the debian package? |
| 18:38.24 | markybob | basix_, aptitude install iceweasel |
| 18:38.24 | wm4 | basix_: use iceweasel, it's the same |
| 18:38.26 | stew | basix_: firefox is called iceweasel in debian |
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| 18:38.40 | g00se | dondelelcaro: Great - yes it does. Looking forward to trying the A action thing. Do you use that? |
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| 18:38.52 | basix_ | okay... |
| 18:39.02 | dondelelcaro | g00se: nope |
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| 18:40.58 | dw | hi there. i've just installed lenny base system on my laptop, used tasksel to install X11, and now no application can render fonts, seemingly except xterm |
| 18:41.23 | dw | i thought it might be a ttf issue, but selecting dejavu in xfontsel shows it is rendering |
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| 18:41.59 | tuv | abrotman, are you around? do you see this intel/fonts problems? |
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| 18:42.12 | tuv | dw, intel graphics? |
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| 18:43.00 | Ellig | Can someone recommend software to work with my ipod on debian? |
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| 18:43.36 | JRlinux | Just finished netinstall on my Celeron computer... All OK until it refused to save grub. I installed debian -- on /hda8 and the user on /hda9. I have menu.lst up on another installation. What exactly to I add to get it to boot debian? |
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| 18:43.44 | basix | how do i install only security related updates??? |
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| 18:44.16 | dw | tuv: indeed. an apple macbook3,1 santa rosa |
| 18:44.41 | dw | tuv: is this an issue specific to lenny? i could just downgrade.. |
| 18:45.11 | epoxy | i have 2 networks (172.16.0/24 and 10.10.10/24). i have clients in the 10.10.10/24 network that need to talk to 172.16.0.100..but only 100.. the 10.10.10/24 default gw is actually a 3rd network upstream. would route be the best tool for this? using etch if it matters. |
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| 18:45.35 | tuv | dw, try an older xserver-xorg-video-intel. i've had similar problems with up-to-date lenny. fixed with the previous intel driver and vga=791 kernel parameter (for some weired reason!) |
| 18:45.53 | dw | thanks :) |
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| 18:46.09 | JRlinux | Maybe I shouild boot the netinstall disk again and look for a fix on it? |
| 18:46.24 | tuv | basix, use security.debian.org only in your sources.list |
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| 18:46.32 | amphi | dw: what intel card? I have no such probs here with up to date lenny, with an i965 |
| 18:46.39 | basix | tuv: and comment out all other sources? |
| 18:47.02 | Drittponken | hi, just installed debian on my laptop. i've downloaded the madwifi drivers for my card and installed build-essential so i can compile ite but i get this error on "make" ; Makefile.inc:91: ***KERNELCONF: ......./.config does not exist... stopped" can ya help me out? |
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| 18:47.09 | Ellig | what are the main differecnes with kde and gnome? |
| 18:47.15 | tuv | amphi, mine is g35 (i think it's 965 integrated into the chipset, not sure though) |
| 18:47.57 | dw | mine is a 965 |
| 18:47.58 | basix | Ellig: what kind of differences are you looking for? |
| 18:48.01 | dw | according to lspci anyway |
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| 18:48.10 | Ellig | basix: well, im looking for the fastest really, nothing bulky |
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| 18:48.16 | tuv | basix, yes, but if you're running stable you shouldn't expect a lot of updates in the other sources |
| 18:48.27 | wm4 | is it possible to install a null-printer system? wine depends either from cupsys-bsd or lpr, but I don't want them, they're annoying |
| 18:49.07 | dw | tuv: which version of the driver are you running? |
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| 18:49.13 | abowlt1990 | Hey all |
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| 18:49.30 | tuv | !tell wm4 about equivs |
| 18:49.45 | abowlt1990 | I was wondering if it is possible to use ndiswrapper, on the netinst cd, i need it to connect to the internet? |
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| 18:49.56 | halflife008 | Ellig: are you looking for info if gnome is faster thank kde or vice version or just looking for a lightweight window manager ? |
| 18:49.58 | solid_liq | is there a known problem with nvidia-glx on debian sid? |
| 18:50.11 | halflife008 | s/version/versa |
| 18:50.16 | wm4 | tuv: thank you... though this sounds dangerous |
| 18:50.21 | solid_liq | it's not working for me (nvidia-glx on sid) |
| 18:50.37 | wm4 | solid_liq: I'm using it on sid, works fine for me |
| 18:50.54 | tuv | dw, i added "snapshot.debian.net/archive pool xserver-xorg-video-intel" to my sources.list, and installed the next-to latest version |
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| 18:51.47 | abowlt1990 | can i use wireless on the netinst cd? |
| 18:51.59 | Drittponken | hi, just installed debian on my laptop. i've downloaded the madwifi drivers for my card and installed build-essential so i can compile ite but i get this error on "make" ; Makefile.inc:91: ***KERNELCONF: ......./.config does not exist... stopped" can ya help me out? |
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| 18:52.03 | basix | tuv: i'm running lenny |
| 18:52.29 | ErikRose | Is /etc/ssl/certs a good place to put the cert for my web server? There's a reference to /etc/ssl/newcerts as well in the openssl config file, but I can't find the semantics of it anywhere. |
| 18:52.34 | basix | Ellig: for a fast window manager you look for something other than gnome / kde. try out xfce, fluxbox or the other *box :) |
| 18:52.39 | solid_liq | wm4: hmm, well it won't install now... let me update apt and try again |
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| 18:52.50 | tuv | Drittponken, use module-assistant: install it, then run 'm-a a-i madwifi' as root |
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| 18:53.52 | Ellig | basix: thanks |
| 18:53.52 | Drittponken | Tuv: Okay, thanks i'm gonna try that |
| 18:55.22 | abowlt1990 | can anyone see my text |
| 18:55.47 | tuv | wm4, all 'equivs' does is satisfy the dependencies |
| 18:55.49 | Ellig | how do i stop my system booting into X, i just want it to stay at text login? |
| 18:55.53 | Ellig | is it gdm? |
| 18:56.00 | amphi | abowlt1990: you are visible |
| 18:56.04 | amphi | pfft |
| 18:56.12 | wm4 | tuv: yes, but it could be useful anyway, if wine plays along |
| 18:56.13 | dw | tuv: lol, vga=791 worked. i do not want to know why :) |
| 18:56.14 | freddo_frog | I was wondering if it is possible to use ndiswrapper, on the netinst cd, i need it to connect to the internet? |
| 18:56.19 | simNIX | Ellig its set in /etc/inittab |
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| 18:56.21 | markybob | Ellig, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 18:56.22 | dw | frickin' linux graphics :) |
| 18:56.23 | tuv | Ellig, play with update-rc.d. start with man |
| 18:56.23 | ErikRose | To answer my own question, /etc/ssl/certs seems the best place. |
| 18:56.30 | Ellig | thanks |
| 18:56.31 | ErikRose | I think newcerts is some kind of temp dir. |
| 18:56.34 | dw | tuv: thank you very much |
| 18:56.56 | tuv | dw, yw. i'm puzzled too ;) |
| 18:57.09 | simNIX | Ellig: its now at runlevel 5 (gdm loads) - if set to init 3 it wil only boot to console login and x only starts then if you isseu startx |
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| 18:57.29 | route66_rj | aoooo então todo mundo aqui só fala ingles ? baum hein |
| 18:57.30 | route66_rj | hawhwahahawawh |
| 18:57.43 | markybob | !pt |
| 18:57.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 18:57.45 | stew | simNIX: this is not true in debian unless he specifically set his runlevels that way |
| 18:57.55 | simNIX | o |
| 18:58.05 | simNIX | i learn every day ... |
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| 18:58.21 | tuv | Ellig, simNIX: in debian, runlevels 2, 3, 4,5 are identical by default |
| 18:58.38 | eshat | Is there a way to change the default login message on tty1-6 ??? |
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| 18:58.45 | simNIX | so its down to rc scripts starting gdm or not ? |
| 18:58.54 | tuv | yes |
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| 18:59.08 | simNIX | k |
| 18:59.13 | solid_liq | wm4: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.12 but it is not installable |
| 18:59.14 | simNIX | tnx 4 info |
| 18:59.28 | eshat | i want to change the message when i log in "Debian GNU is free software ... blah blah ... " |
| 18:59.30 | stew | eshat: you are probably talking about either /etc/issue or /etc/motd |
| 18:59.40 | tuv | solid_liq, you have to build nvidia-kernel using nvidia-source and module-assistant |
| 18:59.42 | eshat | stew: thanks ,.. i ll check |
| 18:59.43 | wm4 | solid_liq: I think you need to rebuild the package with module-assistant (just guessing) |
| 18:59.56 | wm4 | solid_liq: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 19:00.07 | solid_liq | wm4: k, I'll try that, thx |
| 19:00.15 | eshat | motd that's what i meant |
| 19:00.20 | eshat | stew: Thanks |
| 19:00.27 | stew | eshat: though, i believe /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh sytes motd at boot time. so check that script |
| 19:00.45 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 19:00.55 | JRlinux | Just finished netinstall on my Celeron computer... All OK until it refused to save grub. I installed debian -- on /hda8 and the user on /hda9. I have menu.lst up on another installation. What exactly to I add to get it to boot debian? |
| 19:00.57 | JRlinux | Maybe I shouild boot the netinstall disk again and look for a fix on it? |
| 19:01.02 | Ellig | im im not using a printer (ever) do i need cupsys? |
| 19:01.14 | Ellig | if im* |
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| 19:01.27 | solid_liq | wm4: that may have done it, lemme configure x and try running it :) |
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| 19:02.04 | simNIX | Ellig: no |
| 19:02.18 | eshat | what is the echo command for printig red text ? |
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| 19:04.44 | Drittponken | tuv: when trying to run 'm-a a-i madwifi' i fails and it says that maybe i have to add something to the sources.list. do i need to add the location of my madwifi source somewhere? |
| 19:05.11 | webPragmatist | can you make rsync ignore "hidden" files/ |
| 19:05.12 | tuv | Drittponken, install madwifi-source, probably from non-free? |
| 19:05.14 | dondelelcaro | Drittponken: you most likely need to add deb-src lines or possibly non-free. |
| 19:05.36 | tuv | no deb-src needed |
| 19:05.57 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 19:06.22 | solid_liq | wm4: that did the trick, thank you! |
| 19:06.22 | abrotman | tuv: for a bit |
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| 19:07.04 | wols_ | !madwifi |
| 19:07.05 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 19:07.10 | Quibus | Hi, how can it be that 'update-manager' finds 4 updates, while aptitude finds 0? |
| 19:07.32 | wols_ | Quibus: apt-cache policy for those 4 updates? |
| 19:07.54 | Quibus | they are uninstalled packages |
| 19:08.05 | wm4 | did they already reverse engineer the madwifi blob? |
| 19:08.10 | Drittponken | tuv: srry, but what do you mean by installing the madwifi source? with 'make install'? i'm kind of new to linux and even newer to debian. |
| 19:08.30 | Quibus | wols_: so, they aren't even isntalled. Is it trying to fulfill recommends or so? |
| 19:08.32 | wols_ | Drittponken: he means the package |
| 19:08.36 | tuv | Drittponken, you don't need to do any 'make install' if you're using module-assistant |
| 19:08.44 | Ellig | when i startx, im getting (EE) No devices detected, when there is a device in my xorg.conf |
| 19:08.45 | freddo_frog | how can i do a netinst when i only have a wireless link to the internet? |
| 19:08.58 | wols_ | freddo_frog: depends a bit on the wlan chip |
| 19:09.11 | freddo_frog | i would use ndiswrapper |
| 19:09.12 | Ellig | also, the device is the same as the one in my (screens) |
| 19:09.12 | Drittponken | wols_/tuv: now i get it :) |
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| 19:09.18 | wols_ | Ellig: but that device that you have there is not detected in your machine |
| 19:09.32 | tuv | Drittponken, module-assistant, or m-a for short, should install madwifi-source for you if you do 'm-a a-i madwifi' provided it can find it. add non-free to the end of your sources.list lines |
| 19:09.35 | Ellig | wols_: do i need to load a module or something? |
| 19:09.35 | wols_ | Ellig: what device? what hardware do you have? |
| 19:09.46 | freddo_frog | wols_: i would be using ndiswrapper |
| 19:10.14 | Ellig | well my monitor, a 172 flat screen dell, is coming up as "ATI technology inc rv380 [Radeon x600]" |
| 19:10.17 | Ellig | 17" |
| 19:10.27 | wols_ | a monitor is NEVER a videocard.... |
| 19:10.40 | Ellig | hmm, thats whats coming up in my devices |
| 19:10.51 | wols_ | Ellig: that's not true |
| 19:10.56 | Drittponken | tuv: okay, but i guess it would need a internet connection right? if not, exactly hos should i write it into the sources.list file |
| 19:11.06 | wols_ | Ellig: pastebin your xorg log |
| 19:11.20 | wols_ | !tell Drittponken about sources.list |
| 19:11.22 | Ellig | wols_:ok |
| 19:11.33 | tuv | Drittponken, definitely a connection is needed. sources.list points out the locations on the web |
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| 19:11.58 | balasyum | how can I add a package to the debian apt repository? |
| 19:12.08 | freddo_frog | is it possible to use ndiswrapper on the netinst cd |
| 19:12.20 | Drittponken | tuv: thought so. is there not any way to do it if i already have the source on my laptop, can i point to a folder in the sources.list file |
| 19:12.30 | wols_ | balasyum: you can't. all you can do is create your own repo |
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| 19:12.46 | wols_ | balasyum: you need to become a maintainer to be able to add to the debian repo |
| 19:12.47 | flip | i have a question --- did something change in lenny to make xorg.conf somehow not-relevent? :F |
| 19:12.57 | wols_ | flip: yes |
| 19:12.59 | balasyum | how can I become one, wols_ ? |
| 19:13.06 | wols_ | !tell balasyum about nm |
| 19:13.08 | tuv | Drittponken, you can get the madwifi-source.deb package and install it manually using dpkg |
| 19:13.17 | Ellig | wols_: is there a way i can copy this easily from the console? |
| 19:13.23 | flip | wols_: can you point me to its replacement? :) |
| 19:13.32 | wols_ | flip: there is no replacement |
| 19:13.48 | flip | wols_: then how is the screen resolution adjusted |
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| 19:14.12 | Drittponken | tuv: okay then i'll try that. |
| 19:14.18 | wols_ | via edid values from the monitor and xrandr. or by changing xorg.conf. just cause it's empty by default doesn't mean it's ignored |
| 19:14.38 | tuv | Drittponken, you can download madwifi-source-xxx.deb manually off packages.debian.org |
| 19:14.47 | Quibus | wols_: so, why the diff between update-manager and aptitude? |
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| 19:15.00 | wols_ | Drittponken: a few other things like your kernel headers and such are needed too |
| 19:15.04 | flip | wols_: ok --- i added a display subsection to the screen section in xorg.conf --- it didnt seem to change anything |
| 19:15.13 | wols_ | Quibus: you don't answer my questions, I don#t answer yours. fair trade to me |
| 19:15.25 | flip | wols_: im afraid im unframiliar w/ edid and xrandr |
| 19:15.28 | Quibus | wols_: but I did! |
| 19:15.44 | wols_ | Quibus: I disagree. and I'm the one in the position to decide it. HAND |
| 19:15.47 | wm4 | I hate edid, so I give you this: Option "UseEdidFreqs" "false" |
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| 19:16.00 | flip | tr |
| 19:16.01 | flip | y |
| 19:16.08 | Quibus | wols_: well, I thought I did... |
| 19:16.23 | Ellig | is there a way i can easily copy from a console to paste for you guys to see? |
| 19:16.41 | Quibus | wols_: or did you want the full output of apt-cache policy? |
| 19:16.50 | Drittponken | wols_: okay, and what is that. do i get them inte the "kernel_package"? |
| 19:16.54 | wols_ | Ellig: some pastebins allow file uploads. you could redirect the output to such a file |
| 19:17.10 | wols_ | Drittponken: no |
| 19:17.39 | flip | wm4: changed nothing :P |
| 19:18.02 | wols_ | flip: check your logs and see what they say first before you change everything around |
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| 19:18.23 | Ellig | wols: can we try sorting this without the paste :(? |
| 19:18.30 | wm4 | flip: I didn't understand anyway what your problem was in the first place |
| 19:18.49 | ftoledo | hi all.. on last update mysqld kill my server |
| 19:18.54 | ftoledo | http://pastebin.proyectoalba.cl/?page=view&id=1213298143 |
| 19:18.54 | wols_ | Ellig: do you think I have a crystal ball? |
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| 19:19.00 | Ellig | wols_: ha, ok sorry |
| 19:19.10 | Ellig | well the error is "no devices found" |
| 19:19.18 | ftoledo | any idea? mysqld 5.0.32-7etch5 |
| 19:19.21 | Ellig | well the error is "no screens found" |
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| 19:19.32 | wols_ | ftoledo: yes, buy more RAM: oom-killer: |
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| 19:19.49 | wm4 | maybe more swap? |
| 19:20.03 | wols_ | RAM is like sex: it's better when it's not faked |
| 19:20.09 | Ellig | would it be that the radeon driver is not being loaded? |
| 19:20.23 | wols_ | Ellig: how the fuck should we know without a log? |
| 19:20.25 | Drittponken | tuv: so now i have the .deb file on my laptop. how do i install it? |
| 19:20.32 | wols_ | Drittponken: dpkg -i |
| 19:20.39 | ftoledo | wols_: my database have six tables ! and few rows!, cannt be managed by P4 with 512? |
| 19:20.42 | Drittponken | okay, thanks |
| 19:20.46 | Ellig | wols_: ok il paste |
| 19:20.50 | jelly-home | Ellig: pastebin the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:20.54 | wols_ | ftoledo: whatever you ran, you ran out of memory. that's it |
| 19:20.55 | flip | hrmm my boxx came over |
| 19:20.59 | flip | boss |
| 19:21.00 | Ellig | ok |
| 19:21.05 | flip | sorry if i missed comments i cant scroll :F |
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| 19:21.21 | wols_ | ftoledo: and since mysql was the last program to allocate memory when it ran out, the kernel terminated it |
| 19:21.28 | wm4 | wols_: revert mysql to an earlier version, write hate-mail to mysql authots, done |
| 19:21.32 | wm4 | *r |
| 19:21.33 | ftoledo | wols_: it was working fine,, up to serveral months.. i think that is a mem leak from mysqld |
| 19:21.41 | wols_ | wm4: *plonk* |
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| 19:21.50 | wm4 | wols_: *plonk* |
| 19:21.52 | wols_ | ftoledo: what debian branch? |
| 19:22.20 | Ward1983 | does debian also have like a regular release on ONE CD ? |
| 19:22.21 | flip | wols_: my log looks fine --- and X worked fine before dist-upgrade :F |
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| 19:22.34 | wols_ | Ward1983: debian has a release on a 150MB ISO |
| 19:22.56 | wols_ | flip: you run lenny, you deal with it |
| 19:22.59 | Ward1983 | wols_, ok thats the one i found, so theres nothing in between that release and the multiple cd release? |
| 19:23.09 | wols_ | Ward1983: you only need CD1 |
| 19:23.14 | flip | nice attitude.... man linux channels are awesome |
| 19:23.23 | Ward1983 | wols_, aaaaaaaaaah ok now i get it thanx :) |
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| 19:23.27 | wols_ | flip: lenny is TESTING for a reason |
| 19:24.05 | Ward1983 | do proplr eith lenny get no help whatsoever? |
| 19:24.28 | Drittponken | shit that instruction was confusing ^^ thank god i could install it via the GUI. |
| 19:24.31 | Ward1983 | is there a seperate channel for lenny? |
| 19:24.37 | wols_ | no. but you cannot expect a bug free lenny. if you do: you are mistaken |
| 19:24.49 | Ward1983 | reason is i chose lenny too |
| 19:24.52 | wols_ | !tell Ward1983 about volunteer |
| 19:25.20 | wols_ | well, it's "volunteers" rather |
| 19:25.26 | Ward1983 | wols_, lol the bot doesnt know it... |
| 19:25.38 | wols_ | it does. use volunteers instead |
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| 19:25.55 | Ward1983 | yep but you used volunteer and it doesnt know that :p |
| 19:26.07 | wols_ | and with testing you are supposed to know a bit more than the average joe about debian and linux. if you don't you will be disappointed |
| 19:26.13 | wols_ | it does |
| 19:26.24 | wols_ | old Ward1983 about volunteer (volunteer is probably Please report to furrywolf's laboratory for conductivity testing |
| 19:26.25 | Ward1983 | i'm not stupid its just that i would have chosen stable if there was no help at all for testing |
| 19:26.31 | Drittponken | tuv: okay so after m-a a-i madwifi. (it finished) my drivers are installed? how do i activate my network card? |
| 19:27.06 | ftoledo | wols_: debian stable,, up-to-date, i m searching for similar bugs.. |
| 19:27.11 | wols_ | there is help, within reason. taking your toys and go with a snappy remark is not reason. if you want that: buy WIndows and pay per support incident. that earns you the right to be snappy |
| 19:27.12 | halflife008 | Drittponken: load the module, install wireless-tools, man iwconfig |
| 19:27.40 | wols_ | ftoledo: what bugs? |
| 19:27.40 | wols_ | ftoledo: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 19:27.56 | wols_ | Drittponken: install wireless-tools and read its docs |
| 19:28.33 | poseidon | How can I get debian to connect to the Internet during boot up? |
| 19:28.44 | wols_ | poseidon: how does it connect normally? |
| 19:28.51 | ftoledo | wols_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466886 |
| 19:29.08 | webPragmatist | can rsync wait until everything is transfered until it overwrites? |
| 19:29.14 | webPragmatist | like at the end of the "rsync" |
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| 19:29.31 | poseidon | wols_, I switch to root, the ifconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig wlan0 essid ** key ** && dhclient wlan0 |
| 19:29.39 | Ward1983 | wols_, did i make a "snappy" remark? |
| 19:29.52 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: that's what it does, but on a file-by-file basis |
| 19:30.01 | pkcahier | hum, is there a problem with ntp in unstable. |
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| 19:30.11 | pkcahier | It seems to not be able to restart here... |
| 19:30.14 | pkcahier | stays stuck. |
| 19:30.14 | wols_ | poseidon: man interfaces and read wireless docs |
| 19:30.21 | wols_ | poseidon: wireless-tools docs |
| 19:30.22 | poseidon | I've tried editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:30.27 | webPragmatist | jelly-home: hrm ok |
| 19:30.42 | wols_ | Ward1983: flip did. he also runs testing |
| 19:30.56 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: (unless you tell it --inplace) |
| 19:31.09 | Ward1983 | wols_, aaaaaah ok sorry i thought you took my question qbout support the worng way |
| 19:31.14 | pkcahier | actually it seems "lockfile-create /var/lock/ntpdate" stays locked |
| 19:31.14 | Ward1983 | i jsut wanted to know |
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| 19:31.47 | Ward1983 | wols_, also im actually intending to run lenny in a virtual machine to test asterisk on, so its no big deal should it crash, etc |
| 19:31.48 | pkcahier | just removing it was enough it seems, weird though |
| 19:31.53 | wols_ | Ward1983: don't get me wrong I think the new X config is simply shit. but that's how it is, I cannot change it |
| 19:32.41 | Ward1983 | wols_, i didnt use the new x config yet |
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| 19:35.20 | spyhd3r | wols_ I have two interfaces enslaved into a bond (bond0). My problem is that the interces flap randomly and my bond will then no longer capture data. I tried to lock them to 100/full (speed/duplex) with ethtool, but it (flapping) is still happening. Have any suggestions ? |
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| 19:36.25 | spyhd3r | wols_: or how to configure the bond to keep dumping data when the interfaces come up again ? |
| 19:37.18 | tyraelx | Anyone else got problems with the ati graphics drivers? I have some random X freezes where screen and keyboard is frozen |
| 19:37.22 | wols_ | I have no clue what "flapping" is and I don't really care either |
| 19:37.39 | spyhd3r | wols_: HA |
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| 19:39.07 | dondelelcaro | spyhd3r: figure out why the interfaces are flapping, and fix it. |
| 19:39.45 | spyhd3r | dondelelcaro: thought about that... still looking into it |
| 19:39.59 | dondelelcaro | spyhd3r: that said, the lartc may have more information, and you could try #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:40.29 | spyhd3r | dondelelcaro: thanks, you are far more helpful than wols_ |
| 19:40.39 | dondelelcaro | it's not a competition |
| 19:40.40 | lostone | oooooh |
| 19:41.09 | spyhd3r | dondelelcaro: not even close :) |
| 19:41.28 | dondelelcaro | uh... clearly you're not interested in my help either. |
| 19:41.57 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 19:41.59 | spyhd3r | dondelelcaro: no, don't get me wrong, I am very appreciative, thanks |
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| 19:43.02 | jsubl2 | will kde run in 256 meg |
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| 19:44.04 | Ellig | wols_: my log is here http://pastebin.com/d4ade9564 |
| 19:44.12 | Ellig | and my conf here http://pastebin.com/d406ca1f9 |
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| 19:44.56 | bpun | Ellig, no screens section |
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| 19:45.40 | Ellig | bpun: yes? |
| 19:45.48 | bpun | Ellig, after display for 4 bit, endsection missing |
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| 19:46.01 | wols_ | bpun: Section "Screen" |
| 19:46.19 | wols_ | bpun: line 103. is what? |
| 19:46.25 | bpun | wols_, yep.. noticed.. saw his config.. i think his 4 bit display section missing endsection |
| 19:46.28 | akio | i installed sun-java6, where do i point frostwires startup script? it looks like /usr/bin/java |
| 19:46.52 | wols_ | !tell Ellig about drxx |
| 19:47.12 | wols_ | akio: do you have the jre installed? |
| 19:47.14 | bpun | Ellig, works? |
| 19:47.16 | akio | yep |
| 19:47.28 | akio | the new frstwires's script is bonked i guess |
| 19:47.32 | akio | lenny |
| 19:48.01 | Ellig | bpun: the endsection is there, missed it on the copy :/ |
| 19:48.02 | akio | website verifies 6 |
| 19:48.06 | Ellig | il try this xserver-corg stuff now |
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| 19:48.26 | bpun | Ellig, not for the 4 bit subsection |
| 19:48.43 | bpun | Ellig, line 86 |
| 19:48.50 | wols_ | akio: then dpkg -L <jre package> |grep bin |
| 19:48.53 | Ellig | yes, its there in my actual file though |
| 19:49.02 | bpun | kk whatever |
| 19:49.03 | Ellig | i was coying line by line with console so took some time |
| 19:49.38 | stew | Ellig: if you use http://paste.debian.net you can just upload the file instead of copying it line for line |
| 19:49.44 | bpun | Ellig, what is line 120 then? |
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| 19:50.15 | akio | im looking at the directories right now with locate java | more |
| 19:50.17 | bpun | Ellig, thats ridiculous.. line by line.. |
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| 19:50.45 | bpun | Ellig, re-upload the whole file.. so we can see more clearly... |
| 19:50.54 | bpun | not line by line.. |
| 19:50.58 | bpun | geez |
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| 19:51.09 | Ellig | ok thanks, il do that now |
| 19:51.34 | bpun | Ellig, dont |
| 19:51.39 | Ellig | why |
| 19:51.44 | stew | Ellig: i'd recommend trying it without the pciid in your xorg.conf |
| 19:51.57 | bpun | Ellig, instead rename "Screen" on line 75 to "Default Screen" |
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| 19:52.05 | Ellig | ok |
| 19:52.15 | bpun | Ellig, shit |
| 19:52.19 | bpun | Ellig, nmind.. |
| 19:52.29 | stew | it is named Default Screen |
| 19:52.32 | bpun | my oops |
| 19:52.52 | stew | Ellig: by pciid, i mean the BusID line |
| 19:53.09 | Ellig | ok, take that out? |
| 19:53.21 | szzeretlek | anyone familiar with MIPS and x86? |
| 19:53.50 | Ellig | hmm not joy either |
| 19:54.00 | Spec | szzeretlek: a lil'. |
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| 19:55.47 | akio | what is the command to show the system path? |
| 19:55.48 | Ellig | stew: same error |
| 19:56.27 | stew | oh wait, its not using RADEON for some reason |
| 19:56.41 | petemc | akio: echo $PATH |
| 19:56.53 | stew | Ellig: in the line: Driver "ati" ; change 'ati' to 'radeon' |
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| 19:56.59 | Ellig | ok |
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| 19:57.30 | rahsputin | !paste |
| 19:57.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:58.05 | Ellig | stew: ok, different error now, now it is "Fatal error: addscreen/screen init failed for driver 0" |
| 19:58.53 | ElDiabolo | How do I get rid of lvm VG holding an encrypted volume in the debian installer? |
| 19:58.54 | bpun | Ellig, "Current Operating System: Linux SilverFox" |
| 19:59.05 | Ellig | ah its eorking |
| 19:59.35 | Ellig | that ati to radeon must have worked, but i added a frame buffer option in the mean time, i removed that and it works :) |
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| 20:01.22 | stew | Ellig: this is aparantly a known bug that has since been fixed |
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| 20:01.40 | jelly-home | stew: there's a difference between ati and radeon? |
| 20:01.52 | DimmuR | i have to install some special system dekstop (based on debian etch) - it will never be connected to any network, no any external disks/cd's/flash/pendrives etc - it should be max protected (filesystem is on encrypted lvm) - is it reasonable to install LIDS there or it's not neccesary? |
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| 20:02.41 | rahsputin | hello. I have a "new" computer... and there seems to be a AMD CPU inside, but $ dmesg http://rafb.net/p/KzkecW42.html says unknown AMD CPU.... how can i find out what CPU type it is ? |
| 20:03.14 | Eulex | rahsputin, try cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:03.14 | stew | jelly-home: ati is the driver for older ati cards (like r128). ati is supposed to detect a radeon and automatically switch to the radeon driver, but there was a bug with some more recent cards (like his) where it failed to ever switch to radeon |
| 20:03.15 | bpun | rahsputin, amd has detect tools, possibly boot isoz.. |
| 20:03.18 | macoute | DimmuR: id say you dont need it (at least if you dont have any non-secure local users?) |
| 20:03.28 | bpun | rahsputin, there's also many other free tools, like aida |
| 20:03.34 | macoute | but its more or less better to be safe than sorry of cource |
| 20:03.36 | macoute | course |
| 20:04.15 | stew | jelly-home: its aparantly this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6796 |
| 20:05.11 | rahsputin | thanx :D |
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| 20:06.20 | DimmuR | macoute, this desktop is for writting reserved/confidential documents on it and every user has to have special authorization but it has to be as much secured as it's possible |
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| 20:07.14 | jelly-home | stew: closed 2007-01, too bad it seems not to be available in etch |
| 20:07.17 | bpun | DimmuR, retinal scanner's |
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| 20:07.49 | macoute | bpun: they arent so secure |
| 20:07.54 | bkw | I've a local workstation installation of debian where I've different uid/gid than on the rest of the network. How can I remap my uid/gid so I can mount NFS? |
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| 20:08.03 | nom_s | what do the curly braces in menuconfig mean? ie. {M} vv [M] |
| 20:08.04 | ElDiabolo | How do I get rid of an encrypted volume in the debian installer? Any hints? |
| 20:08.10 | bpun | macoute, is that cuse you like demolition man stealing eye balls? |
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| 20:08.19 | bpun | jk |
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| 20:08.29 | pkcahier | mmm |
| 20:08.34 | pkcahier | how does one install bugzilla 3? |
| 20:08.44 | pkcahier | it does not have the /var/www/bugzilla that bugzilla had |
| 20:08.49 | bpun | pkcahier, i installed bugzilla long ago.. easy php stuff |
| 20:08.53 | pkcahier | (I mean post apt-get install) |
| 20:08.59 | pkcahier | uh bugzilla is perl afaik |
| 20:09.04 | stew | pkcahier: check /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian |
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| 20:09.20 | bpun | pkcahier, lol.. perl php same thing to me:) |
| 20:09.38 | bpun | pkcahier, follow that /usr/share/doc .. |
| 20:09.47 | DimmuR | bpun, authorization in system is not problem - i rather think about making sure that user won't get access anywhere else than where he should |
| 20:09.56 | Ellig | where do i set what window manager X uses? say i want flux isntead of gnome? |
| 20:10.01 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Thats about the difference between unix and windows ... :) |
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| 20:10.20 | bpun | DimmuR, well the safest I know is nfs, or having a roaming profile somewhere, where OS and user data are on separate systems.. |
| 20:10.25 | davidisko | hi guys, i'm having trouble with creating mdadm raid5 array. after command "mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1" the mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says "State : clean, degraded, recovering" any ideas? "Rebuild Status : 6% complete" |
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| 20:10.52 | akio | wols_, petemc: my problem was that the open-source alternative java implementation was set to be used in "alternatives" instead of sun's java |
| 20:11.09 | xsdg | davidisko: what's wrong with that? |
| 20:11.16 | xsdg | davidisko: it's building the array |
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| 20:11.55 | bpun | ElDiabolo, you want to keep this encrypted volume? |
| 20:12.22 | ElDiabolo | bpun: No. |
| 20:12.32 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Its a fresh install |
| 20:12.38 | davidisko | xsdg: hmm.. it's not so fast i thought.. |
| 20:12.47 | davidisko | *as |
| 20:12.57 | xsdg | davidisko: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 20:13.02 | xsdg | it'll tell you the rate it's syncing at |
| 20:13.22 | davidisko | 50M/s |
| 20:13.32 | davidisko | so it's pretty fast :) |
| 20:13.41 | davidisko | for 7200rpm hdds.. |
| 20:13.45 | bpun | ElDiabolo, probably lvm tools can be accessed when you drop to a shell with the installer |
| 20:14.09 | claint | aptitude search vserver-debiantools |
| 20:14.11 | bpun | ElDiabolo, or possibly from advanced menus somewhere |
| 20:14.14 | claint | oops |
| 20:14.39 | ElDiabolo | I rm -rfed /etc/lvm, the installer still shows me the VG and the encrypted volume. |
| 20:14.41 | xsdg | davidisko: yeah, the main thing is that raid-5 rebuilds are slow |
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| 20:14.58 | n3kl | I just setup luks on my root partition and I think I found a small problem with the boot up that I would like to correct. It seems that somethign is adding an entry to my /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot file, but I don't know what it could be. Any ideas? |
| 20:15.15 | davidisko | xsdg: then raid6 rebuild must be even slower.. :) |
| 20:15.45 | xsdg | davidisko: I would imagine so, though I don't really know |
| 20:15.50 | bpun | ElDiabolo, /etc/lvm is used from the hd by the installer? doesnt sound logical |
| 20:15.54 | n3kl | davidisko: isn't raid 6 just raid 5 + hotspare? |
| 20:16.11 | davidisko | n3kl: something like that.. |
| 20:16.37 | Ellig | How do i set startx to use fluxbox instead of gnome? |
| 20:17.26 | bpun | ~tell Ellig about .xsession |
| 20:17.51 | n3kl | almos |
| 20:17.51 | chops | Ellig: Put 'exec fluxbox' in ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:17.59 | bpun | !.xsession |
| 20:17.59 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 20:18.17 | bpun | chops, i heard .xsession is supposed to be used instead.. |
| 20:18.34 | chops | bpun: Oh, you're right -- if .xsession is for both xdm and startx, then .xsession is a better place. Good spot. |
| 20:18.41 | bkw | So, isn't it possible to remap uid/gid to mount nfs? |
| 20:18.53 | stew | i just symlink .xinitrc to .xsession and forget about it :) |
| 20:19.06 | ElDiabolo | bpun: I let dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda do it |
| 20:19.19 | bpun | ElDiabolo, ? |
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| 20:19.33 | bpun | ElDiabolo, that's a waste of time.. |
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| 20:20.38 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Nah, should have kiled the partition table when I pressed power. We'll see. |
| 20:21.11 | bpun | ElDiabolo, you sure dont want to use debian if this is how you fix the simplest things |
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| 20:21.27 | nom_s | what do the curly braces in menuconfig mean? ie. {M} vv [M] |
| 20:21.47 | Quibus | Well, asking again then: how can it be that 'update-manager' finds 4 updates, while aptitude finds 0? apt-cache policy says they are not even installed... |
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| 20:22.19 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Yes. I think I just doN't want to use the debian installer for nontrivial things. |
| 20:22.59 | bpun | ElDiabolo, shutting down the power while the drive is spinning is trivial |
| 20:23.06 | pkcahier | damn, these bugzilla setup instructions are not working. |
| 20:23.12 | pkcahier | curses the bugzilla3 maintainer |
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| 20:23.24 | bpun | pkcahier, did you follow what stew said? |
| 20:23.30 | pkcahier | I went into vi /usr/share/doc/bugzilla3/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:23.35 | pkcahier | and tried following there |
| 20:23.40 | pkcahier | but so far, no luck, it's what I had done |
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| 20:23.56 | stew | pkcahier: if they aren't working, file a bug. for extra credit, also include a patch |
| 20:24.11 | bpun | pkcahier, this lenny too? |
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| 20:24.52 | pkcahier | just unstable |
| 20:25.14 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Yeah, was somewhat stupid. Had a hard day ... |
| 20:25.26 | bpun | pkcahier, perl is perl.. should work.. |
| 20:26.28 | pkcahier | well right now it's giving me a file index instead of perling, despite rewrite rules |
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| 20:26.44 | NickBurnsSNL | Hello all ... what's been the experience ... nvidia drivers in Lenny? Install pkg from nvidia? Will it even work? |
| 20:26.54 | bpun | pkcahier, rewrite rules? sounds like something relating to apache's mod setup |
| 20:27.22 | ElDiabolo | bpun: I think I'll better do the whole lvm stuff without the installer. |
| 20:27.30 | wols_ | NickBurnsSNL: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:27.42 | bpun | ElDiabolo, didnt i say the installer should be able to drop to a shell for lvm command tools? |
| 20:27.57 | bpun | ElDiabolo, I have no clue if its offered in advanced menu screens |
| 20:28.07 | stew | pkcahier: using apache or apache2? |
| 20:28.23 | NickBurnsSNL | wols_: ah .. doing that now. thanks. |
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| 20:28.23 | ElDiabolo | bpun: Yes, but after the install i'll have a bash. |
| 20:28.35 | pkcahier | I'm starting to doubt I have modperl installed... |
| 20:28.36 | bpun | ElDiabolo, well there you go, learn a bit of bash.. |
| 20:28.46 | pkcahier | But I'm starting to wonder that if it's necessary, why wouldnt bugzilla have it as dependency |
| 20:29.09 | bpun | pkcahier, you know what rewrite rules are? i'm guessing you want to load apache's rewrite module |
| 20:29.15 | pkcahier | yes it's loaded |
| 20:29.38 | bpun | pkcahier, so the configuration is with apache |
| 20:30.01 | pkcahier | the conf is copied from the bugzilla host example |
| 20:30.25 | stew | pkcahier: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 20:30.29 | pkcahier | apacheé |
| 20:30.31 | pkcahier | *2 |
| 20:30.40 | stew | pkcahier: how did you load mod_rewrite? |
| 20:30.45 | pkcahier | a2enmod |
| 20:30.51 | pkcahier | and I checked that it's loaded, and it is |
| 20:31.09 | bpun | pkcahier, if you modified apache's conf , you have to restart it of course |
| 20:31.16 | stew | bpun: no, you don't |
| 20:31.29 | pkcahier | I obviously restart apache2 everytime. |
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| 20:31.35 | bpun | stew, for modules |
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| 20:32.01 | pkcahier | on a side note, accessing seems to give "The requested URL /cgi-bin/index.cgi was not found on this server." |
| 20:32.02 | bpun | stew, or maybe i'm wrong with apaache2.. but i do it in case |
| 20:32.14 | pkcahier | which isnt exactly surprising since I pointed / to /usr/share/bugzilla3/web/ |
| 20:32.19 | pkcahier | as instructed in the vhost |
| 20:32.47 | stew | pkcahier: what file does the error.log say it is trying to find? |
| 20:32.55 | spamuel | hiya; I have a question about dpkg: I have an old package that reports that it still has its config files on a system. This is true; the config files provided by this package have been used by another replacement package. Without actually purging the files (since they're being used by a replacement package), is there a way I can tell dpkg to forget about any traces of the old one? |
| 20:33.53 | bpun | spamuel, use the purge option |
| 20:34.06 | spamuel | bpun: won't that remove the configs? I don't want that.... |
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| 20:34.22 | stew | spamuel: yes, that would remove the configs |
| 20:34.23 | bpun | spamuel, you said "any' traces.. |
| 20:34.39 | spamuel | I said "forget about," nothing more :) |
| 20:34.44 | stew | bpun: assume he meant without breaking things |
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| 20:34.48 | pkcahier | [Thu Jun 12 22:34:40 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/bugzilla3/web/cgi-bin |
| 20:34.58 | pkcahier | (nothing surprising there) |
| 20:35.22 | pkcahier | my guess is that it's supposed to load /usr/share/bugzilla3/debian/apache.conf |
| 20:35.24 | pkcahier | but isnt |
| 20:35.36 | bpun | spamuel, i believe you can list config files left over from a package, and then you can move these .configs to a backup folder |
| 20:36.21 | bpun | spamuel, dpkg-reconfigure or a command similar to this.. maybe check out its manpage... |
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| 20:36.40 | stew | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:36.58 | pkcahier | I'm getting kind of dubious that bugzilla can work without mod_perl though |
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| 20:37.13 | pkcahier | Apache/2.2.8 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.4.6 PHP/5.2.6-1 => And I'm not seeing anything perl loaded. |
| 20:37.19 | spamuel | bpun: yeah, dpkg ought to be able to list conffiles in some capacity, I'd just prefer a more passive way of doing this... |
| 20:37.19 | pkcahier | unless it's supposed to be cgi/fcgi |
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| 20:37.44 | stew | you can find out all the conffiles, but not all the config files, and the postrm could remove config files which aren't conffiles |
| 20:37.54 | bpun | pkcahier, that's because your either using another conf file or apache may need to be restarted.. |
| 20:38.06 | stew | (to know for sure you'd have to look at what the postrm is going to do) |
| 20:38.07 | pkcahier | I restart apache after every modification. |
| 20:38.09 | pkcahier | So it's not that. |
| 20:38.11 | pkcahier | and modperl is not installed. |
| 20:38.13 | pkcahier | I just checked. |
| 20:38.30 | bpun | pkcahier, well it's probably not perl |
| 20:38.56 | pkcahier | runtests.pl Bugzilla.pm => Sounds pretty much like perl to me(in the web dir). |
| 20:39.31 | stew | the depencies certainly sound like perl |
| 20:39.37 | stew | dependencies* |
| 20:39.37 | bpun | pkcahier, in the web dir? what page are you loading? |
| 20:39.47 | pkcahier | http://vhostname/ |
| 20:40.05 | bpun | pkcahier, and what is displaying, a directory list? |
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| 20:40.41 | pkcahier | yes |
| 20:40.50 | pkcahier | (the list of the web dir pointed as docroot) |
| 20:41.15 | bpun | pkcahier, you should check the access logs.. if index.pl is not called then this directory list is not from a perl script |
| 20:41.18 | jelly-home | how does one close his, or her own bug report that was not really a bug, but a pebkac? |
| 20:41.27 | pkcahier | no index.pl in that dir though |
| 20:41.36 | lostone | so. i just complete install and rebooted and after the POST the line GRUB appears and the system doesn't go any further. a little help. |
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| 20:41.56 | bpun | pkcahier, back to basics then.. study apache and how its rewrite rules work.. |
| 20:42.17 | slxix | did you enable the module? (a2enmod can help) |
| 20:42.25 | pkcahier | http://pastebin.ca/1046378 |
| 20:42.27 | pkcahier | content dirs |
| 20:42.38 | jelly-home | is just a "close #number \n thanks" command mailed to number@bdo enough, and a suitable explanation following the bts commands? |
| 20:42.51 | [busta] | stew you the guy |
| 20:42.51 | zxcvbs | is there any grub kernel parameter to stop or freeze kernel after kernel panic? |
| 20:43.01 | [busta] | stew do you have a paypal account ? |
| 20:43.03 | cod | hello, it's possible to install debian using a usb device? |
| 20:43.12 | slxix | cod: most definitely. |
| 20:43.12 | zxcvbs | i need to debug my booting kernel but it reboots automaticly. |
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| 20:43.27 | Indiana | Hi all, what does this entry in my syslog mean? Jun 12 22:19:11 sv8 su[2896]: + console root:clamav |
| 20:43.28 | cod | using a netinstall iso? |
| 20:43.31 | bpun | pkcahier, study apache and study about followlinks option |
| 20:43.32 | stew | jelly-home: send email to bugnumber-done@bugs.debian.org |
| 20:43.32 | pkcahier | http://pastebin.ca/1046380 the vhost |
| 20:43.35 | stew | [busta]: uhh, yes? why? |
| 20:43.37 | pkcahier | uh |
| 20:43.39 | slxix | cod: very much so. :) |
| 20:43.43 | [busta] | cuz you are amazing |
| 20:43.53 | poseidon | svgalib |
| 20:43.56 | [busta] | i was here 7 hours ago and you was helping me |
| 20:44.03 | cod | :) so...google is my friend? |
| 20:44.06 | [busta] | and you still there helping people |
| 20:44.08 | poseidon | oops, sorry. Meant to directy that to dpkg :) |
| 20:44.11 | [busta] | so you deserve donation |
| 20:44.22 | slxix | cod: perhaps. |
| 20:44.35 | [busta] | really what you do is good |
| 20:44.48 | [busta] | you deserve people to pay you for what you do |
| 20:44.58 | pkcahier | bpun: I'll glady check that links are followed, but there isnt a single mention of it from the maintainer in the help file. |
| 20:45.01 | cod | where can i find a tutorial or something? please |
| 20:45.26 | bpun | pkcahier, i do suppose that is a security issue so .. |
| 20:45.50 | bpun | cod, manpage <smthing> on google |
| 20:45.57 | pkcahier | So I'm officialy authorised to say that the bugzilla3 package cant not work by default without being a security issue? |
| 20:46.04 | bpun | cod, or linux tutorial <smthing_foobar> |
| 20:46.04 | cod | :) |
| 20:46.17 | cod | thanks guys |
| 20:46.29 | slxix | cod: give me your e-mail address and i'll send you a tutorial later tonight. |
| 20:46.43 | cod | codcata@gmail.com |
| 20:46.50 | pkcahier | there we go followlinks enabled |
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| 20:46.55 | cod | thank you very much slxix |
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| 20:47.13 | pkcahier | it's still giving me the dir listing though bpun |
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| 20:47.26 | slxix | btw, are you going to load the USB drive from windows or linux? |
| 20:47.29 | pkcahier | (I hardly see why it would affect it but...) |
| 20:47.32 | cod | linux |
| 20:47.42 | bpun | pkcahier, well check the followlinks option |
| 20:47.46 | pkcahier | it's on |
| 20:47.49 | pkcahier | and turned properly |
| 20:47.51 | stew | [busta]: i appriciate the sentiment. I don't really need your money. if you want to give back, give back by helping the project. the easiest way to help is by reporting/confirming/fixing bugs. check http://qa.debian.org. if you really want to give money, donate to SPI which is the holding corporation for debian http://spi-inc.org/donations |
| 20:47.52 | pkcahier | on the correct folders |
| 20:48.07 | [busta] | ok |
| 20:48.18 | pkcahier | I've enabled directives as in the apache.conf example from the bugzilla package. |
| 20:48.19 | bpun | pkcahier, i'm guessing apache is being run as either root or a member of www-data |
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| 20:49.19 | g00se | Why does the apache2 have the parent running as root? |
| 20:49.33 | wols_ | cause it needs to bind to port80? |
| 20:49.39 | pkcahier | yes bpun, running as www-data |
| 20:49.49 | g00se | wols_: Doh |
| 20:49.49 | slidesinger | Question: is there a tool which will let you trace the route of an individual UDP packet? |
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| 20:50.28 | stew | slidesinger: traceroute? |
| 20:50.52 | pkcahier | I think I'm going to find some normal bugzilla install not using the debian packages, because obviously the debian one is horror |
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| 20:51.01 | stew | pkcahier: please file a bug |
| 20:51.09 | stew | pkcahier: (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 20:51.23 | slxix | hmm. you'd think we'd come up with a way to not require root for lower ports. like an ability to change ownership of port 80 to www-data or somesuch. :) |
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| 20:51.33 | bpun | pkcahier, as long as you dont check apache's log you're only guessing |
| 20:51.47 | pkcahier | the logs only give the same |
| 20:51.50 | bpun | pkcahier, lynx <topath> is easy for logs i find |
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| 20:52.29 | pkcahier | actually there is a [Thu Jun 12 22:10:50 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/bugzilla3/web/debian |
| 20:52.36 | pkcahier | which shows that it's trying to find the debian dir... in the wrong place |
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| 20:53.27 | slidesinger | stew: I didn't even think of using traceroute. I thought it only did ICMP. Ah well, live and learn. Thanks. |
| 20:53.43 | pkcahier | I'm having a hard time believing doc root should be pointed to /usr/share/bugzilla3/web, so I'll point it back again to /usr/share/bugzilla3 |
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| 20:54.43 | bpun | pkcahier, obviously you dont know what you're doing.. perl is not called here |
| 20:54.52 | stew | slidesinger: it does UDP by default, only root can do ICMP |
| 20:55.49 | pkcahier | bpun: obviously the package has an outdated readme |
| 20:55.49 | pkcahier | which gives directives that do not work. |
| 20:55.49 | pkcahier | It's not like I went out of the normal scheme of things. |
| 20:55.49 | stew | pkcahier: if this is the case, please file a bug |
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| 20:55.49 | jelly-home | stew: which is why traceroute is a suid? |
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| 20:55.50 | SpookyET | hi |
| 20:55.50 | bpun | pkcahier, doesnt matter, you were saying on at least 2 occasions that perl was being called even when commenting out the mod_perl.. that directory listing has nothing to do with perl.. |
| 20:55.51 | pkcahier | I'll file a bug once I manage to figure out how the bugzilla maintainer thinks it should work. |
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| 20:55.53 | stew | jelly-home: it's not here |
| 20:55.58 | Ian_Daniher | what does a parallel port look like in debian etch? |
| 20:56.01 | jelly-home | hm |
| 20:56.03 | pkcahier | uh? I said perl was not being called. |
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| 20:56.08 | pkcahier | Hence the dir listing. |
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| 20:56.24 | SpookyET | is there a colour aptitude/apt-get/dpkg, etc? I find the output unreadable compared to pacman and ebuild |
| 20:56.41 | pkcahier | I didnt say perl was being called and that had anything to do with dir listing. |
| 20:56.44 | bpun | pkcahier, that's exactly the issue.. your problem has to do knowing how to interpret apache correctly before trying perl.. |
| 20:56.49 | pkcahier | I actually said that I had no perl installed. |
| 20:56.52 | jelly-home | stew: well, it is here, and I see no debconf questions |
| 20:57.02 | pkcahier | s:perl:mod_perl: |
| 20:57.19 | pkcahier | Also bpun, I can interpret the apache very fine, and have been writing rewrite rules and configruations for long. |
| 20:57.44 | pkcahier | My issue is to know *what* is supposed to be the docroot and how is bugzilla *supposed* to work. |
| 20:57.47 | pkcahier | I'd be done long ago if so. |
| 20:57.48 | junmin | Hello all. accidently i did "chown user:user * -R" at /. it cause a lot of problems. how can i restored the users of permission??? please. |
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| 20:57.57 | pkcahier | s/if so/if I knew so. |
| 20:58.06 | bpun | pkcahier, no it isnt.. you didnt even check what follow symlinks are about.. |
| 20:58.08 | stew | junmin: restore them from backup |
| 20:58.09 | chops | junmin: Do you have backups? |
| 20:58.14 | pkcahier | bpun: of course I checked it |
| 20:58.20 | pkcahier | And of course I turned it on |
| 20:58.25 | junmin | i dont have backup :( |
| 20:58.27 | pkcahier | but random "check followlinks" is not useful. |
| 20:58.40 | pkcahier | What I need to know is what link is supposed to be followed for what, so I can turn it on on the right directory. |
| 20:58.43 | junmin | stew: pkcahier i dont have ... :* |
| 20:58.58 | bpun | pkcahier, you dont need to do anything random, just know the default directives |
| 20:59.41 | stew | junmin: i don't believe there is a way to fix it, then |
| 20:59.53 | stew | bpun: pkcahier: can you guys try to be more constructive? |
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| 21:00.17 | junmin | i think i have to reinstall it ... |
| 21:00.20 | stew | pkcahier: perhaps show us what you have so far in the way of configuration, and what exactly you are seeing in the logs: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:00.20 | bpun | stew, i am -- seems that he never adhere's to understand that apache calls its settings "directives", aint my lingo :) |
| 21:00.22 | junmin | ... |
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| 21:00.57 | junmin | stew: pkcahier how about i reinstall all the .deb ?? can i? |
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| 21:02.06 | pkcahier | Well in any case, as far as I can see, I dont see *how* it could find /cgi-bin/index.cgi, when there's no link to it in the web directory (I can make one, but I'm maybe assuming too much thinking the package maintainer thought of it), and that there's no directive to set an alias for /cgi-bin/ |
| 21:02.06 | stew | junmin: you can reinstall the debs with "aptitude reinstall '~i'" ; but that won't fix ownership of directories or things like /var/log/* /var/cache* /var/run... |
| 21:02.09 | n3kl | What package do I need to research to keep my usb storage devices named consistently? |
| 21:02.47 | bpun | n3kl, something to do with hald... i believe there are policy files that need to be edited.. |
| 21:02.52 | pkcahier | there is actually not a single .cgi in /usr/share/bugzilla3/ |
| 21:02.53 | kantor | hi, why is that sometimes when I try to shut down debian etch using the GUI (task bar, shutdown . .. ) sometimes the shut down process is delayed about a minute, this problem was in sarge too |
| 21:03.06 | junmin | stew: let me try ... |
| 21:03.15 | stew | junmin: it won't work |
| 21:03.22 | stew | pkcahier: it would find cgi-bin/index.cgi by the rule: RewriteRule ^(.*/cgi-bin/bugzilla3)/?$ $1/index.cgi [R] |
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| 21:03.38 | pkcahier | which tells it to use index.cgi which does not exist |
| 21:03.47 | squidly | i'm trying ton install a cusom kernel that does not require initrd how can i do that? |
| 21:04.07 | pkcahier | (or rather fullpath/index.cgi to be exact) |
| 21:04.08 | bpun | pkcahier, the listing module is a feature of apache by default.. you can turn indexing off if you dont like it-- check apache's directive help pages.. no script is making this listing.. |
| 21:04.17 | pkcahier | that's not my issue right now |
| 21:04.29 | pkcahier | my issue right now is where is index.cgi residing |
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| 21:05.03 | bpun | stew, see what i mean? he's refusing help.. so i give up.. |
| 21:05.13 | jelly-home | stew: heh, turns out I have traceroute=990522-1 installed, sounds rather old |
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| 21:05.19 | pkcahier | I hardly see what I'm refusing to help. |
| 21:05.19 | junmin | stew: well, a normal will be able use the applications, even they cannot see /var****, am i right? |
| 21:05.20 | stew | pkcahier: its not in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi ? |
| 21:05.25 | junmin | a normal user |
| 21:05.38 | pkcahier | no such file stew |
| 21:05.41 | stew | bpun: becuase you aren't helping him with the problem he wants help with |
| 21:06.10 | pkcahier | let me purge and reinstall, maybe I missed something. |
| 21:06.21 | pkcahier | (or erased something by error) |
| 21:06.21 | stew | !find bugzilla3/index.cgi unstable |
| 21:06.59 | stew | pkcahier: 'apt-file list bugzilla3' seems to say that it should be there |
| 21:07.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bugzilla3/index.cgi' (1): (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi) in web/bugzilla3. |
| 21:07.06 | stew | yeah ^^ |
| 21:07.10 | pkcahier | ok, let me finish to reinstall then |
| 21:07.28 | bpun | pkcahier, if you work with different conf files, do what i do-- add a "_0" or a "_1" for different trial setting files.. |
| 21:07.49 | pkcahier | thanks for the advice bpun, though I tend to do it already:) |
| 21:08.06 | pkcahier | I'm starting to wonder if something went wrong when I removed bugzilla to install bugzilla3. |
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| 21:10.53 | sinisterporpoise | well, I got this debian etch box on the network, but question: My sound echoes. The laptop is supposed to have good speakers, but this make it sound awful. I don't think it's exclusive to Debian so... |
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| 21:11.54 | zleap | hi |
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| 21:12.20 | sinisterporpoise | so if there's a better channel to ask this is in please let me know |
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| 21:12.36 | abrotman | maybe #alsa |
| 21:12.39 | wols_ | sinisterporpoise: what branch of debian runs on the system with the echoing soundcard? |
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| 21:12.52 | wols_ | and what soundchip is it? |
| 21:12.57 | wols_ | or what driver does it use? |
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| 21:13.04 | jelly-home | sinisterporpoise: is the microphone not muted? :-) |
| 21:13.13 | Ian_Daniher | what does a parallel port in debian look like? |
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| 21:13.16 | Ian_Daniher | /dev/? |
| 21:13.30 | wols_ | Ian_Daniher: lp0 |
| 21:14.14 | zleap | yeah |
| 21:14.14 | Ian_Daniher | and if I have a parallel port [hardware] on my machine, but no /dev/lp0, then I don't have drivers? |
| 21:14.52 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, tty* possible or par* under /dev -- i think perusing dmesg might show something-> "dmesg |grep -i par" |
| 21:15.19 | jelly-home | Ian_Daniher: which architecture is your machine? |
| 21:15.28 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, lp0 sounds interesting.. you setting up a printer? |
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| 21:15.34 | zleap | try dmesg | grep lp0 |
| 21:15.37 | Ian_Daniher | jelly-home: x86/via C7 |
| 21:15.55 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, modules are the name for linux drivers |
| 21:16.00 | Ian_Daniher | it-server:~# dmesg |grep -i par |
| 21:16.00 | Ian_Daniher | parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. |
| 21:16.00 | Ian_Daniher | parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] |
| 21:16.07 | jelly-home | Ian_Daniher: does running "modprobe parport_pc" manually make any noise in dmesg? |
| 21:16.10 | Ian_Daniher | bpun: no, just wanting more I/O |
| 21:16.11 | zleap | lsmod would list them i think |
| 21:16.11 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, so the driver is loaded |
| 21:16.23 | jelly-home | oh, you already have it loaded |
| 21:16.34 | jelly-home | Ian_Daniher: modprobe lp, then |
| 21:16.34 | Ian_Daniher | ttypa? |
| 21:17.00 | Raphael_S[0FF] | está away; faculdade volto dps das 10:30 - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
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| 21:17.15 | stew | Raphael_S[0FF]: please turn that off in here |
| 21:17.34 | jelly-home | Ian_Daniher: in any case, running cups, for example, makes the system load lp module. What do you need the parallel port for? |
| 21:17.46 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, dunno maybe there are parport fine tuning packages for improving bitrates.. i know little about parport modes |
| 21:17.59 | Ian_Daniher | ah - modprobe lp fixed it |
| 21:18.05 | Ian_Daniher | I now have /dev/lp0 |
| 21:18.08 | Ian_Daniher | thanks guys |
| 21:18.13 | Raphael_S[0FF] | retornou do away; faculdade volto dps das 10:30 - duração[1m12s] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 21:18.27 | Ian_Daniher | I'm going to use my parallel port as just extra IO |
| 21:18.50 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, sounds like you're junk scriptie :) |
| 21:18.50 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, what yuo doing multi-linking dial-up? lol |
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| 21:19.14 | pkcahier | stew: ok got the file after the purge and reinstall. Now to fix it to find it. |
| 21:19.33 | pkcahier | I went step by step careful as in the readme.debian, but it's ending in "The requested URL /cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi was not found on this server." |
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| 21:19.35 | Ian_Daniher | bpun: no - programing an AVR and controlling LEDs |
| 21:19.41 | bpun | pkcahier, sometimes conf files show up under dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 21:19.59 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, some free satellite jeepers 8 |
| 21:20.15 | stew | pkcahier: check the error log again and see exactly which file on the filesystem it thinks /cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi should be |
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| 21:20.25 | mortal1 | howdy folks, I have a telnet server installed, but I can't figure out how to start it. (Yes I know telnet is evil and I should use ssh etc) |
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| 21:20.30 | Ian_Daniher | bpun: ? |
| 21:20.34 | pkcahier | File does not exist: /usr/share/bugzilla3/web/cgi-bin |
| 21:20.39 | pkcahier | it's actually not finding that directory |
| 21:20.40 | wols_ | mortal1: usually runs via inetd |
| 21:20.47 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, micro-controllers.. there are packages i think under debian for it.. |
| 21:20.50 | stew | pkcahier: yeah, that /web shouldn't be in there |
| 21:20.53 | stew | err |
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| 21:21.06 | mortal1 | I've tried modifying the /etc/inet.conf file, and even using the -debug option to start it manually |
| 21:21.07 | stew | pkcahier: wait, that shouldn't be lookin in /usr/share at all |
| 21:21.09 | mortal1 | no dice |
| 21:21.10 | pkcahier | /usr/share/doc/bugzilla3/examples/vh-basic.conf => DocumentRoot /usr/share/bugzilla3/web |
| 21:21.18 | solid_liq | my sound worked fine with the amd64 kernel in sid, then I switched to the 686 kernel to get the nvidia drivers working (they do), but my sound doesn't work anymore. alsamixer gives me: No mixer elems found any idea what might be wrong? |
| 21:21.31 | stew | pkcahier: yeah, but the rewrite rule should be pointing it directly at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla3... |
| 21:21.33 | Ian_Daniher | bpun: ah, ok |
| 21:21.40 | bpun | Ian_Daniher, jeepers is a common app used to program microcontrollers for 'em pirates on their satellite receivers.. |
| 21:21.48 | jelly-home | pkcahier: is there a separate Alias or ScriptAlias for .../cgi-bin, maybe? |
| 21:21.56 | pkcahier | stew: hum actually the rewrite rules in my bh-basic.conf talk of no /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 21:22.03 | Ian_Daniher | bpun: lol |
| 21:22.07 | Ian_Daniher | not on my todo list |
| 21:22.23 | stew | pkcahier: the README.Debian has rewrite rules which point at /usr/lib/cgi-bin... |
| 21:22.28 | pkcahier | however, the other vh has more detailed stuff |
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| 21:22.29 | pkcahier | yeah |
| 21:22.38 | pkcahier | I'm guessing that vh-basic.conf is pretty wrong |
| 21:22.56 | pkcahier | hum no stew: mine has none |
| 21:23.02 | mortal1 | Also, I was curious if there is a way to make aptitude 'forget' actions that it wants me to take, and reset to a default state? |
| 21:23.03 | pkcahier | (for pointing to /usr/lib/cgi-bin) |
| 21:23.28 | bpun | pkcahier, y sometimes 'em sample .conf files can be erroneous and should be reported to maintainer.. sometimes maintainer doesnt use optimum settings |
| 21:23.28 | jelly-home | pkcahier: if there are conflicting upstream and Debian specific examples, regarding the debian specific as better is probably wise |
| 21:23.44 | pkcahier | /usr/share/doc/bugzilla3/examples/vh-custom-static.conf has some custom cgi-bin pointing, I'll try that. |
| 21:23.46 | stew | pkcahier: i'm looking at the README.Debian for bugzilla (3.0.4-4) |
| 21:23.52 | mortal1 | I can always install/remove packages for a few months, and then some how, mysteriously, i open aptitude, and it has 15 packages it wants me to downgrade, or something like that |
| 21:24.05 | mortal1 | I don't think aptitude and synaptic play well together |
| 21:24.07 | stew | pkcahier: o wait, thye don't point at /usr/lib, do they |
| 21:24.15 | pkcahier | nope stew |
| 21:24.27 | stew | pkcahier: then yeah, that is a documentation bug |
| 21:24.57 | epoxy|w3rk | how can i see what args get passed to a debian package by default? |
| 21:25.16 | mortal1 | hmph, why haven't my messages posted? the cache should have purged by now.... |
| 21:25.21 | pkcahier | stew: hehe, actually just adding an alias was sufficient:) |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | you need hte source package and the rules file within |
| 21:25.29 | stew | epoxy|w3rk: what do you mean? args that get passed when? |
| 21:25.43 | bpun | epoxy|w3rk, are you a package developer or wanting to be one? you sure have to do some homework before trying that |
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| 21:26.34 | epoxy|w3rk | nah.. just wondering if enable-command-args is compiled for nagios nrpe. |
| 21:26.57 | bpun | mortal1, cache expires.. i dont think that's the issue |
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| 21:28.16 | epoxy|w3rk | stew, or what was compiled for the .deb package is more of a correct term.. but i could be wrong |
| 21:28.41 | stew | epoxy|w3rk: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 21:29.43 | epoxy|w3rk | stew, awesome, perfect. thanks much |
| 21:30.22 | bpun | pkcahier, hmm alias you say.. so unfunny hahahahaha -- i did tell you to look at apache's basics.. |
| 21:30.56 | stew | bpun: please keep it constructive |
| 21:31.27 | bpun | stew, i suggested-- i had an idea it may have been that.. but he didnt want to listen to me.. relax stew we not fighting |
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| 21:33.45 | mortal1 | jeez I just got like 10 min of irc in one lump |
| 21:33.55 | pkcahier | bpun: well it wasnt so obvious when the vhost example was wrong:) I was(wrongly) assuming that it would include another file to point to the correct directories:) |
| 21:34.37 | bpun | pkcahier, i admit that i too would make these mistake.. but that's why its so important to know all about apache's basic "directives", that's what the apache team calls them |
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| 21:35.21 | mortal1 | so, any advice on how to make aptitude forget it's recommendations? |
| 21:35.32 | bpun | pkcahier, dont use vi to see logs.. its a drag.. use lynx or tail w/ update feature |
| 21:35.37 | mortal1 | like when it wants me to do something i dun wana do |
| 21:36.07 | bpun | (i mean tail with it auto reading updates on the file) |
| 21:37.03 | bpun | mortal1, dunno, perhaps there's an aptitude option to follow apt's settings... not sure |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | forget it's recommends ? |
| 21:39.15 | abrotman | erm .. its |
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| 21:40.51 | bpun | mortal1, this is a cheap abstract -> ""-o Aptitude::ProblemResolver::FullReplacementScore=0" and |
| 21:40.51 | bpun | "-o Aptitude::ProblemResolver::UndoFullReplacement=0" to the program at |
| 21:40.51 | bpun | the command-line " |
| 21:40.57 | bpun | src is http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/668898af0f2c4b15/2d5a9b7f093fc031?lnk=raot |
| 21:41.39 | mortal1 | bpun nice! |
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| 21:42.46 | cod | but on a desktop which debian should i choose? |
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| 21:45.13 | cod | ? |
| 21:45.30 | bpun | cod, there's no standard desktop for debian |
| 21:45.41 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 21:46.04 | cod | ok but the unstable is "stable" for a desktop? |
| 21:46.24 | bpun | cod, choose all of them if you think stable=unstable |
| 21:46.28 | wols_ | cod: no. since you have to ask about sid, you're not ready for sid: too much will break too often |
| 21:46.42 | bpun | cod, obviosuly unstable is for testing |
| 21:46.49 | bpun | cod, in my opinion at least.. |
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| 21:47.16 | cod | oo, so i will not choose sid, thanks a lot guys |
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| 21:52.12 | kantor | hi, on ftp mirrors this debian-update-4.0r3-i386-DVD-1.iso contains only the updated programs in a new revision ? |
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| 21:52.45 | bpun | kantor, most update programs are downloaded surpassing datestamps of 'em isoz.. |
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| 21:53.09 | stew | kantor: yes |
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| 21:53.28 | stew | bpun: what? |
| 21:53.30 | kantor | ok, thanks |
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| 21:57.07 | Ellig | hey, my sound works, ive used alsaconf and speaker-test, but nothing comes out of xmms, any ideas? |
| 21:57.38 | abrotman | xmms is using th ewrong output plugin |
| 21:57.41 | wols_ | what output plugin does xmms use? |
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| 21:59.01 | kantor | Ellig, option-->preferences and there are the output plugins |
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| 21:59.31 | haxality | hello, I was wondering why it seems impossible to install alsamixer under Etch |
| 21:59.44 | haxality | I installed alsa-tools but it didn't come as part of the package |
| 22:00.03 | Ellig | ah, thanks |
| 22:00.06 | wols_ | !tell haxality about search |
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| 22:00.18 | Ellig | also, the xmms volume control doesnt affect the sound? |
| 22:00.27 | haxality | cool, I've already searched the debian forums and google to no avail |
| 22:00.41 | HockeyInJune | I just installed Debian, and I have seen something I have never seen before. I run ifconfig -a and my eth0 has a very large HWaddr. The only thing I can imagine this being is my 1394 firewire port. Is there anyway I can somehow remove this or just rename it, I would like my eth1 and eth2 to become eth0 and eth1 respectively. |
| 22:00.54 | haxality | I find it personally insulting when I come in here to possibly get some kind of assistance and I'm waved off mechanically by a bot |
| 22:01.03 | wols_ | !tell HockeyInJune about z45 |
| 22:01.12 | haxality | if you really are that lazy then just say "I don' |
| 22:01.15 | wols_ | !tell HockeyInJune about z25 |
| 22:01.16 | haxality | t know" or something |
| 22:01.44 | wols_ | haxality: if you ask easy to answer questions... |
| 22:01.49 | haxality | ok, what's the answer then? |
| 22:01.52 | kantor | Ellig, if you set to software control in alsa plugin then not |
| 22:01.53 | HockeyInJune | hah thnx I play around with this |
| 22:01.54 | wols_ | besides:if you don't like the answers, pay for them |
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| 22:02.06 | haxality | no. that's a misnomer |
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| 22:02.06 | wols_ | haxality: I gave it to you. do a search and you WILL find alsamixer |
| 22:02.09 | haxality | you didn't give me an answer |
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| 22:02.14 | wols_ | I did |
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| 22:02.19 | metafor | haxality: you want us to think for you? |
| 22:02.29 | metafor | who's the lazy person here |
| 22:02.34 | wols_ | metafor: he wants us to do his work for you since he's a lazy SOB |
| 22:02.38 | haxality | and now half the channel is going to flip out because I dared to question the "google everything it totally works" mentality |
| 22:02.49 | wols_ | haxality: I did NOT point you to google |
| 22:02.57 | bpun | HockeyInJune, i dont see the purpose of renaming interfaces just because you dont like their names.. what if you begin to troubleshoot illelogical naming devices none of us recognize? |
| 22:03.09 | wols_ | I pointed you to the search tools for debian repos. if you don't use them since you're incapable of it, it's not our problem |
| 22:03.23 | HockeyInJune | bpun, I am not an idiot |
| 22:03.34 | haxality | you should definitely take every opportunity you can to sleight me in your rebutting statements, too. |
| 22:03.44 | bpun | HockeyInJune, i'm not saying you're an idiot.. relax dude.. |
| 22:03.53 | HockeyInJune | heh okay. |
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| 22:04.06 | MrWGW-- | is it possible to re-enter the installer from an installed system? |
| 22:04.12 | HockeyInJune | Besides I said I only want to change 1 and 2 to 0 and 1 |
| 22:04.17 | stew | i see the purpose of renaming interfaces becuase i don't like their names. now my interfaces have much better names |
| 22:04.44 | stew | now i can do things like "ifdown cable ; ifup dsl" on my router |
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| 22:05.28 | metafor | MrWGW--: why would you want that? |
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| 22:05.34 | Yumdum | hello geeks |
| 22:05.40 | stew | MrWGW--: not possible |
| 22:05.49 | bpun | stew, true you can, but a newbie who breaks his network just because he wants another name is gonna complain |
| 22:06.06 | Yumdum | what is the best way to make my P3 computer as a access point based on debian which means i can do apt-get install packages is stuff like that ? |
| 22:06.06 | stew | bpun: so |
| 22:06.08 | MrWGW-- | that's lame, but whatever |
| 22:06.18 | MrWGW-- | wishes he was using FreeBSD |
| 22:06.31 | bpun | stew, so he'll lock himself out from getting help.. lol.. he'll be calling you long distance by phone :p |
| 22:06.33 | Yumdum | MrWGW- why ? |
| 22:06.40 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 22:06.46 | stew | ? |
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| 22:06.54 | jelly-home | MrWGW--: do you have a debian question? |
| 22:07.20 | stew | MrWGW--: which part of the reinstall do you wish to revisit? |
| 22:07.24 | stew | ^re^ |
| 22:07.40 | bpun | and if hockeyinjune wants to, let him modify his module aliases...dont care here lol |
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| 22:08.14 | Yumdum | cmon all these users and no one is answering my question :( |
| 22:08.34 | MrWGW-- | specifically the package management configuration and network setup |
| 22:08.40 | HockeyInJune | I assume I need a restart for these to work, right? |
| 22:08.43 | bpun | Yumdum, access point is ambiguously terminology |
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| 22:09.14 | Yumdum | what the hell you saying bpun |
| 22:09.15 | bpun | HockeyInJune, if it aint broke why break it? |
| 22:09.36 | bpun | Yumdum, exactly, what the hell you saying about "access point".. you mean a wifi radius server? |
| 22:09.46 | cheshair | 'night! :-) |
| 22:09.51 | stew | HockeyInJune: i'm not sure if restart udev would do it. you can always rename them with "ip link set name newname dev oldname" |
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| 22:10.20 | HockeyInJune | ip command not found |
| 22:10.26 | HockeyInJune | lol? |
| 22:10.27 | Yumdum | bpun lol no normal access point without radius or webpage |
| 22:10.30 | stew | HockeyInJune: it is in the iproute package |
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| 22:10.35 | HockeyInJune | okay.. |
| 22:10.43 | kantor | MrWGW-, that is useless, because you can use apt, dpkg, aptitide, synaptic, dselect to manipulate packages |
| 22:10.47 | bpun | HockeyInJune, and if the ip#'s are long.. then you're using ipv6.. this isnt new hwaddresses |
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| 22:11.20 | HockeyInJune | Its not the IP address, its the MAC address, for some reason it gives the firewire port more namespace |
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| 22:11.40 | stew | MrWGW--: it used to be that those things had tools that would run outside of the installer, but nobody has been maintaining them that way. the best we can offer is that you can have sources.list setup automatically using netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 22:11.50 | bpun | HockeyInJune, you can do internet over firewire.. or any device you can serially link to.. |
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| 22:12.14 | HockeyInJune | I know that, but there is no assigned IP address on my firewire port |
| 22:12.21 | bpun | HockeyInJune, ipv6 requires a new form of mac addressing |
| 22:12.24 | MrWGW-- | do I just run those commands? |
| 22:12.29 | HockeyInJune | Really? |
| 22:12.34 | HockeyInJune | o.O |
| 22:12.39 | HockeyInJune | Googles |
| 22:12.44 | stew | HockeyInJune: no, it doesn't |
| 22:12.50 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 22:12.51 | HockeyInJune | okay |
| 22:12.58 | HockeyInJune | Googles Anyway |
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| 22:13.12 | stew | MrWGW--: you'd have to install one of those two packages first |
| 22:13.23 | MrWGW-- | horrors |
| 22:13.46 | MrWGW-- | is it possible to "repair" the install with the correct settings from the netinst cd? |
| 22:13.46 | bpun | stew, he doesnt need to know this.. he was asking initially..but thought it might help him.. |
| 22:13.52 | stew | MrWGW--: both of the config files you are talking about (sources.list and /etc/network/interfaces) are relatively straightforward, and have man pages |
| 22:13.59 | stew | bpun: what? who? |
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| 22:14.27 | bpun | stew, technically no, there are routers that can handle the two protocols or encapsulate using mac addressing hiding.. but who cares.. |
| 22:14.33 | bpun | stew, HockeyInJune |
| 22:14.48 | stew | bpun: yeah, he doesn't need to know "ipv6 requires a new form of mac addressing" becuase it is false |
| 22:14.49 | bpun | stew, he was saying he saw a long hwaddress he never saw before.. |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | bpun: so technically you're lying ? |
| 22:14.57 | MrWGW-- | wher eis sources.list? |
| 22:15.02 | stew | MrWGW--: man sources.list |
| 22:15.12 | abrotman | !tell MrWGW-- about sources.list |
| 22:15.13 | kantor | MrWGW-, if you do not like the OS then why are you using it ? |
| 22:15.31 | HockeyInJune | bpun, stew: Oh god, whats the truth here? |
| 22:15.41 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: bpun is fibbing |
| 22:15.43 | bpun | adhering to the standard, it does |
| 22:15.51 | MrWGW-- | I'm being paid to fix someone else's |
| 22:15.58 | abrotman | do we get a cut? :) |
| 22:16.08 | bpun | but everything can go all the way down back to old network bones.. everything now adays has safeguarding encapsulators.. |
| 22:16.10 | HockeyInJune | Does IP encompass MAC Address rules or not? |
| 22:16.21 | bpun | HockeyInJune, well anyways now you know what the future holds.. |
| 22:16.21 | stew | HockeyInJune: no, its a layer above |
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| 22:16.31 | MrWGW-- | no, but if you ever have a FreeBSD or SuSE q1uestion, I'll help you out |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | wait .. why would i use those? :) |
| 22:16.50 | HockeyInJune | So it wouldnt make sense for IP to require larger MAC Addresses |
| 22:16.54 | kantor | MrWGW-, wyat exactly is the problem with the distro ? I mean what is not working like it should |
| 22:16.59 | stew | HockeyInJune: no, it doesn't make sense |
| 22:17.17 | HockeyInJune | So, Does it or not? |
| 22:17.33 | bpun | HockeyInJune, dont worry, i was adhering to the idea why you're seeing these "weird" long mac addresses |
| 22:17.38 | stew | HockeyInJune: what bpun was telling you doesn't make sense. |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | MrWGW--: what is wrong with your current sources.list? |
| 22:17.46 | stew | bpun: please stop guessing |
| 22:18.09 | MrWGW-- | well it lacks your archives |
| 22:18.17 | MrWGW-- | I'm trying to find the URL for your main US mirror |
| 22:18.22 | HockeyInJune | lol okay |
| 22:18.34 | stew | MrWGW--: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 22:18.35 | abrotman | MrWGW--: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
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| 22:18.44 | MrWGW-- | abrotman: ty |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | MrWGW--: but that might not be correct for your system .. read your man page |
| 22:19.03 | MrWGW-- | if I update ssh from that it will fix the vulnerability that my netinst CD probably had? |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | MrWGW--: you could be running some other version of Debian besides etch |
| 22:19.16 | themill | MrWGW--: /topic |
| 22:19.30 | bpun | someone misinformed me.. |
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| 22:20.47 | metafor | MrWGW--: apt-setup |
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| 22:20.55 | stew | metafor: no longer exists |
| 22:21.00 | stew | metafor: it only lives in the installer now |
| 22:21.03 | metafor | oh |
| 22:21.17 | metafor | why was it removed? |
| 22:21.26 | kantor | this is the result when you are using windows too much ! you forget to think . . . |
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| 22:22.02 | cschorn | morning all |
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| 22:22.17 | kantor | ;-) |
| 22:22.31 | stew | metafor: the author (who is one of the main contributors of the debian-isntaller) never intended apt-setup to be used except during installs, once he reworked the installer so that everything was done before the first reboot, it was no longer needed on the resulting install to setup sources.list, so he stopped maintaining it as something that could be installed as such |
| 22:22.38 | bpun | maybe this confused me.. cuse i did read up something about it-> "IPv6—one of the most prominent standards that uses EUI-64—treats MAC-48 as EUI-48 instead (as it's chosen from the same address pool). This results in extending MAC addresses (such as IEEE 802 MAC address) to EUI-64 using "FF-FE" rather than "FF-FF."" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address |
| 22:22.47 | stew | metafor: if someone wanted to fork it and maintain it that way, it would be great |
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| 22:23.35 | metafor | I see |
| 22:23.48 | xNinja | morning cschorn |
| 22:24.08 | KeTonic | Hello, I accidently changed my file-rights on all files to 700, now I can't log on. Is it possible to boot a shell that ignores the rights of the files? |
| 22:24.15 | cschorn | i have a problem getting Net::SFTP installed by cpan on etch |
| 22:24.34 | abrotman | KeTonic: you changed it on every file on the system ? |
| 22:24.38 | MrWGW-- | so for reasons that remain a mystery, the system lacks IP connectivity |
| 22:24.43 | KeTonic | yes :/ |
| 22:24.45 | MrWGW-- | I can't ping anything |
| 22:24.49 | abrotman | KeTonic: good luck! |
| 22:24.55 | bpun | cschorn, i believe there's a special script or procedure in treating cpan archives in debian |
| 22:24.59 | abrotman | KeTonic: use a liveCD to make a backup of your data |
| 22:25.05 | stew | MrWGW--: man interfaces ; and /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 22:25.08 | MrWGW-- | the relevant config files /etc/network/interfaces are correct |
| 22:25.19 | bpun | cschorn, check the packages' /usr/share/doc path |
| 22:25.38 | MrWGW-- | if the default gateway, netmask and Ip address are correct it should work??? |
| 22:25.46 | KeTonic | abrotman i have tryd that, i cant get my raid card to work for some wird ereason |
| 22:25.57 | abrotman | cschorn: also check dh-make-perl |
| 22:26.07 | cschorn | bpun: will do (weird thing is, it worked on a few other servers without any special treatment) |
| 22:26.14 | bpun | MrwGW- if the arp tables get updated.. you should be able to get an ip |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:26.29 | cschorn | abrotman: already installed it |
| 22:26.39 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
| 22:26.42 | stew | cschorn: yeah, i was unable to as well. the dependencies of Net::SFTP run deep. I ended up also trying to use Net::SFTP::Foreign, but i found that the debian packaged version had one set of bugs, and the newer upstream version had another |
| 22:26.58 | MrWGW-- | how do I update those? |
| 22:27.17 | abrotman | MrWGW--: update? use an editor ? |
| 22:27.23 | stew | no |
| 22:27.31 | abrotman | no? |
| 22:27.32 | stew | one doesn't update ones arp tables with an editor |
| 22:27.38 | stew | and he doesn't need to anyway |
| 22:27.41 | abrotman | oh .. i thought he meant the interfaces file |
| 22:27.52 | abrotman | i didn't realize he was asking about the silly things bpun keeps saying |
| 22:27.59 | stew | bpun: can you please stop |
| 22:28.05 | bpun | MrWGW- well easiest is to ping the gateway |
| 22:28.10 | MrWGW-- | I've never had to before anyway |
| 22:28.14 | cschorn | stew: i'm still looking through the output, but i think one of the Crypt::* thingys may be the problem |
| 22:28.17 | stew | MrWGW--: please just ignore bpun |
| 22:28.21 | abrotman | MrWGW--: does the system have network at all? |
| 22:28.26 | MrWGW-- | pinging the gateway got a no response |
| 22:28.26 | MrWGW-- | yes |
| 22:28.31 | bpun | stew abrotman, i'm seeing if he wants to ping his gateway |
| 22:28.36 | abrotman | MrWGW--: and the network is wrong how ? |
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| 22:28.37 | MrWGW-- | and when I use a different /etc/network/interfaces file, it does owrk |
| 22:28.43 | stew | MrWGW--: does "ifconfig ; route -n" show what you are expecting? |
| 22:28.47 | bpun | telling me he hasnt heard about arp tables tells me his level of networking experience |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | bpun: shut up already |
| 22:29.03 | bpun | abrotman, ? |
| 22:29.04 | abrotman | bpun: you're not helping |
| 22:29.15 | bpun | abrotman, you didnt see that wikipedia quote? i was misinformed.. I admit it |
| 22:29.41 | bpun | abrotman, we all make mistakes.. you made simple reply to him.. an editor? i'm not laughing here.. you're starting to sound like a woman.. |
| 22:29.55 | umanekta | hey guys, does anyone have any experience modifying the ubuntu-desktop metapackage ? |
| 22:29.57 | abrotman | oww .. i hurt my head when smacking it on the desk |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | umanekta: #ubuntu please |
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| 22:30.45 | umanekta | sorry guys :-d, |
| 22:30.53 | stew | MrWGW--: btw, if you edit /etc/network/interfaces ; youd have to run sometihng like "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to effect the changes |
| 22:31.06 | stew | like a woman? wtf |
| 22:31.10 | bpun | stew, dont jump on the wagon.. |
| 22:31.18 | stew | bpun: what are you talking about? |
| 22:31.31 | bpun | stew, i'm helping here.. dont get arrogant |
| 22:31.40 | cschorn | stew: got something new (as in didn't happen before): Crypt::Random hangs at t/generator 1/18 ...did you have problems with that one? |
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| 22:32.08 | bpun | stew, i think he already knows that |
| 22:32.08 | MrWGW_- | the /etc/network/interfaces that did not work was from an older install |
| 22:32.10 | MrWGW_- | Woody or somesuch |
| 22:32.15 | MrWGW_- | is it likely it was incompatible? |
| 22:32.22 | MrWGW_- | sorry if I'm asking htis twice, I got idsconnected |
| 22:32.26 | bpun | ah.. |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: can you put the interfaces file that you're trying to use in a pastebin ? |
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| 22:32.34 | bpun | disconnection is bummer |
| 22:32.40 | MrWGW_- | the broken one? not easily |
| 22:32.54 | MrWGW_- | since this server lacks a browser that could use that site...in fact I suspect it lacks a browser, period |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: can you IRC from the machine and put it in #flood ? |
| 22:33.00 | MrWGW_- | I could scp it to my server but that would be a hassle |
| 22:33.01 | abrotman | !pastebin pipe |
| 22:33.05 | abrotman | !pastebinpipe |
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| 22:33.06 | MrWGW_- | not easily |
| 22:33.11 | stew | MrWGW-: does "ifconfig ; route -n" show what you are expecting? btw, if you edit /etc/network/interfaces ; youd have to run sometihng like "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to effect the changes |
| 22:33.23 | deconvolution | hello, after upgrading my system from stable to testing branch, I found my slapd server is not longer working with TLS: gnutls_certificate_verify_peers2 failed -49. Is there anyone who knows the solution of this problem? |
| 22:33.24 | MrWGW_- | let me get back to you, I'll check that in a minute when I reboot |
| 22:34.09 | stew | MrWGW-: rebooting shouldn't be necessary |
| 22:34.48 | bpun | stew, sometimes the routing tables arent refreshed properly way back in the day.. dunno about his system.. |
| 22:35.25 | bpun | stew, and a reboot would fix it unfortunately, hopefully this bug is no longer there... and i actually filed this bug quite a while ago |
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| 22:35.28 | MrWGW_- | separately, is there a command to install all appropriate kernel headers, source, devleopment files, etc? |
| 22:35.49 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: apt-cache search linux-headers .. or linux-source |
| 22:36.04 | stew | bpun: stop. just stop. please. you are not helping |
| 22:36.05 | MrWGW_- | ok |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: but for what? you may not need all of that .. better to ask us before grabbing all that stuff (big packages) |
| 22:36.26 | MrWGW_- | what about other dev files for perl, python and what have you? |
| 22:36.35 | bpun | stew, wtf? did you read that quote i sent to the channel? I admit it.. why are you generalizing like a woman? |
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| 22:37.15 | MrWGW_- | I want the equivalent of a "development set' of packages from a distro like SuSE |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 22:37.23 | dpkg | build-essential is, like, a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 22:37.29 | stew | bpun: i've silenced you for now. as you were warned, mysogyny is not something that is going to be tollerated in this channel |
| 22:37.38 | seth1248 | The mac address for my ethernet card keeps changing so on every reboot it is renamed (from eth0 to eth1 to eth2, etc on each reboot). What can I do? |
| 22:37.38 | abrotman | but isn't really for perl/python .. |
| 22:37.50 | abrotman | !tell seth1248 about z25 |
| 22:37.59 | MrWGW_- | so apt-get install build-essential/ and apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 22:38.01 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 22:38.18 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:38.28 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: there may be a far easier way to do what you're trying to do |
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| 22:38.52 | taime1 | my friend can connect to gnutella and grab music, but cannot view pages in firefox, nor ping in a terminal.. what gives? |
| 22:39.14 | abrotman | ping by name or IP ? |
| 22:39.28 | taime1 | by name |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | and by IP? gnutella works on IPs IIRC while FF works on names .. could be a DNS issue |
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| 22:40.02 | MrWGW_- | well my client requested, "all development libraries and headers" |
| 22:40.13 | abrotman | try to do a DNS query to get an IP for yahoo/google/etc |
| 22:40.17 | MrWGW_- | of course he literally could not have meant "all" of them, but its implied a reasonable set of them for normal operation |
| 22:40.28 | taime1 | :( dont know how |
| 22:40.40 | seth1248 | abrotman: z25_persistent-net.rules keeps renaming the interfaces because the mac address for the card is changing on every reboot. |
| 22:40.42 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: that's really vague .. but build-essential may be enough .. there are hundreds of other libfoo-dev packages that he may or may not need |
| 22:41.09 | seth1248 | Why is the mac address for my ethernet card changing on every reboot? |
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| 22:41.56 | themill | !forcedeth mac |
| 22:41.56 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
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| 22:42.15 | SPF | taime1: resolveip google.nl |
| 22:42.25 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: $ apt-cache --names-only -- search -dev | wc -l |
| 22:42.25 | abrotman | 2301 |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: which isn't scientific .. but gives you an idea of what you'd be trying to do |
| 22:44.07 | MrWGW_- | well I'll just do the kernel source, headers and that other package that was named |
| 22:44.14 | MrWGW_- | brb |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | i doubt you'll need the kernel source at all |
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| 22:52.34 | MrWGW_- | ok |
| 22:52.52 | MrWGW_- | I'm going to reboot now with the non-functional /etc/network/interfaces, and try to fix it |
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| 22:55.35 | sharp15 | is there something specific i need to add to /etc/sudoers to get xfce to stop asking for a password to shutdown/reboot the machine? |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | sharp15: use /etc/shutdown.allow .. man 8 shutdown |
| 22:57.55 | sharp15 | abrotman: i didn't know that was there. |
| 22:58.01 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 22:58.15 | MrWGW_- | ifconfig ; route -n looks perfectly normal |
| 22:58.28 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: can you get us the interfaces file ? |
| 22:58.44 | MrWGW_- | not easil |
| 22:58.48 | MrWGW_- | but I can try |
| 22:58.50 | webPragmatist | is it possible to find out DNS records for a specific domain using the shell? |
| 22:59.18 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: floppy? :) |
| 22:59.42 | webPragmatist | nevermind got it :) |
| 23:00.36 | sharp15 | is it possible to upgrade a debian system from stable to testing without reinstalling? or am i asking for trouble. |
| 23:00.59 | Ikarus | ofcourse it is possible |
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| 23:01.57 | abrotman | sharp15: yes it's possible |
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| 23:02.01 | abrotman | !tell sharp15 about etch->lenny |
| 23:02.08 | abrotman | sharp15: but some things may currently be broken |
| 23:02.40 | sharp15 | large amounts of stuff? i'm talking about a upgrading minimal system in a vm. |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | i have no idea what you have installed |
| 23:03.04 | abrotman | and lenny is still in flux so other things may break |
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| 23:03.56 | blameless | i've installed etch on a few systems and immediately upgraded to lenny. YMMV |
| 23:04.03 | sharp15 | ok. so its not some general constant problem, just something i shold be aware of. |
| 23:04.36 | abrotman | well .. i think the nvidia drivers are still broken in lenny (have been for months) |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | for example |
| 23:05.14 | sharp15 | that i know about. my desktop has been puking on the module-assistant process for about a week. |
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| 23:07.09 | _eskimo | bye |
| 23:07.35 | mns | sharp15: I did an upgrade from etch to lenny and for the most part didn't have any issues. But I might have been playing it safe. I updated /etc/apt/sources.list, then did an aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade. For the most part I got everything I wanted, in working order. |
| 23:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there'll of course always be *some* broken packages/packages with problems... that's only natural with 10000 packages installed |
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| 23:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess overall you should be allright |
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| 23:09.05 | scrote | hi |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 23:09.22 | sharp15 | i doubt i have that many installed. possibly you mean available? |
| 23:09.35 | mns | sharp15: yes he meant available. |
| 23:09.42 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22397 packages, 1914 maintainers, 56789 MB installed size, 19936 MB compressed size. |
| 23:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, fixed packages have to be in sid for some time before they make it into lenny |
| 23:09.50 | scrote | i just stole some Debian cd's from a magazine at the Barnes and Noble. I want to install duel boot and ditch ubuntu. Does windows have to be partitioned from within windows? |
| 23:10.27 | mns | Why steal something available for free anyway ? :) |
| 23:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's an illness |
| 23:10.42 | sharp15 | equal question: why announce it? |
| 23:10.51 | MrWGW_- | http://pastie.org/214121 |
| 23:10.58 | MrWGW_- | there is the non-functional interfaces file |
| 23:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: same answer :) |
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| 23:12.00 | scrote | mns: I dont have Cd's to burn |
| 23:12.10 | scrote | nor would i want to burn 12 CD-R's |
| 23:12.13 | MrWGW_- | any thoughts onto what that isn't working? |
| 23:12.18 | scrote | 2 DVD's is conventient |
| 23:12.27 | gusnan | Has anyone else ran into problems with xserver-xorg-core (the latest DSA in Etch)? Updating mine causes X to be non-startable. |
| 23:12.38 | mns | scrote: you only need one. just do a net install. |
| 23:13.10 | sharp15 | vim is great. |
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| 23:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and did you know the police monitors #debian because of all the subversive elements in the channel? |
| 23:13.41 | karsten | gusnan: I found that an update about a month ago lost me my Xinerama dual-head setup. |
| 23:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWGW_-: what's non-functional about it? |
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| 23:13.57 | MrWGW_- | well, when I use it, I don't have any outbound connectivity, at all |
| 23:14.01 | HockeyInJune | Does KDE come with Xorg? |
| 23:14.06 | karsten | gusnan: I'm limited to a piddly 1920x1200 display. |
| 23:14.06 | MrWGW_- | I should post the one that works for comparison? |
| 23:14.06 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: moment |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: no .. aptitude install xorg |
| 23:14.14 | MrWGW_- | just a second while I get you the other one also |
| 23:14.17 | HockeyInJune | okay thankx |
| 23:14.20 | karsten | HockeyInJune: No. |
| 23:14.26 | scrote | im sure the police give a shit about cd's. |
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| 23:14.51 | gusnan | karsten: Ah, I am running into more serious problems than that... |
| 23:14.54 | karsten | HockeyInJune: You can run X clients remotely, so it's not necessary to install an X server to install a desktop environment. That boggles some people. |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: your broadcast is way out of your network .. but you can probably comment that out |
| 23:14.57 | karsten | gusnan: Such as? |
| 23:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWGW_-: the gateway entry is missing for all except the 1st entry... |
| 23:15.08 | real0ne | hello i have always this message on my Terminal Message from syslogd@debian at Fri Jun 13 01:14:39 2008 ... |
| 23:15.08 | real0ne | debian kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 23:15.13 | karsten | gusnan: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:15.25 | karsten | real0ne: Real or virtual machine? |
| 23:15.58 | real0ne | karsten Real Machine |
| 23:16.05 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: and your aliased eth's are very likely wrong .. comment them all out .. concentrate on the first one only |
| 23:16.28 | gusnan | karsten: Thanks. I have downgraded now though... But it doesn't feel good not being able to install a DSA update... |
| 23:16.44 | karsten | real0ne: Any thermal issues reported? |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: or as CutMeOwnThroat mentioned ... at least add a gateway (i'd guess it's 209 ?) |
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| 23:17.15 | MrWGW_- | http://pastie.org/214129 |
| 23:17.20 | MrWGW_- | that's the one that is presently working |
| 23:17.22 | HockeyInJune | ah okay, thanks karsten |
| 23:17.23 | MrWGW_- | for purposes of copmarison |
| 23:17.30 | real0ne | karsten sorry what d u want to mean with thermal issues |
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| 23:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why does that now use eth1? |
| 23:17.41 | MrWGW_- | the aliased eths are somewhat neccessary |
| 23:18.03 | karsten | real0ne: http://cabbymorena.com/2008/02/22/one-week-of-using-debian/ |
| 23:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWGW_-: so why does that now use eth1? |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | MrWGW_-: and with the busted one .. what's the error ? |
| 23:18.48 | MrWGW_- | oh that's interesting |
| 23:18.56 | MrWGW_- | no error, just no connectivity on the busted one |
| 23:19.18 | abrotman | they have no routes ? |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | they have no gateways .. they have no idea where to go |
| 23:19.45 | MrWGW_- | I haven't tried to connect out of any interface other than eth0 |
| 23:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: but that's not so tragic, as they're only aliases :) |
| 23:19.53 | MrWGW_- | but a gateway was defined for eth0 right? |
| 23:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but not for the aliases |
| 23:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | which are like separate interfaces |
| 23:20.21 | MrWGW_- | and the broadcast for it should be .103 |
| 23:20.40 | MrWGW_- | so I'll bet this new install thinks that what the old one recognized as eth0, is in fact eth1 |
| 23:20.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: they're on different networks ? |
| 23:20.50 | MrWGW_- | I'm testing switching the eth0s in the file out to eth1 |
| 23:21.08 | MrWGW_- | btw in terms of restarting the network form the config file |
| 23:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: is that possible? They all map to the same card... |
| 23:21.14 | MrWGW_- | how would I do that without rebooting? |
| 23:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: afaik that's just how you assign more than one IP to one nw-card |
| 23:21.50 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: AFAIK you can have an aliased NIC on another network |
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| 23:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you call a "another network"? |
| 23:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | different router? |
| 23:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | different IP domain? |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | something outside the netmask |
| 23:23.24 | real0ne | abrotman can i know why i have this message plz Message from syslogd@debian at Fri Jun 13 01:21:29 2008 ... |
| 23:23.24 | real0ne | debian kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold |
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| 23:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, but still the packets physically leave the same way |
| 23:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... seems a bit useless |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | real0ne: CPU overheating |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: you can have one NIC on two networks .. crappy redundancy ? |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: so if you had two ISPs into one switch .. you could alias the NIC and use it on both ISPs ? |
| 23:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems weird |
| 23:25.27 | real0ne | abrotman can i stop this message? |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | real0ne: use a bigger fan ? |
| 23:26.02 | abrotman | real0ne: why don't you check the temperature of your CPU |
| 23:26.12 | real0ne | abrotman ok i will try :) thanks for all |
| 23:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't really imagine any situation where you'd have that |
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| 23:26.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i just gave you one! |
| 23:26.47 | real0ne | abrotman how can i chek it d u mean that i should open the computer and chek it with my hand? |
| 23:26.53 | abrotman | uh no |
| 23:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | temperature: 62 C |
| 23:27.22 | abrotman | might be different for yours |
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| 23:28.52 | real0ne | abrotman sorry but this command don't work on my bix d u know why? |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | no |
| 23:29.34 | real0ne | cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory |
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| 23:29.56 | grei | how can i download all the devel packages all together ? |
| 23:30.04 | grei | gcc, manpages, gdb etc |
| 23:30.06 | azeem | grei: why do you want that? |
| 23:30.19 | grei | what do you mean why ? |
| 23:30.27 | grei | i want a full working devel env |
| 23:30.30 | grei | thats why |
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| 23:30.32 | azeem | there's several hundred debian packages |
| 23:30.39 | azeem | eh |
| 23:30.40 | azeem | devel packages |
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| 23:30.46 | grei | devel |
| 23:30.48 | grei | yes |
| 23:30.50 | azeem | yes |
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| 23:31.20 | grei | well the ones that usually form a good working env |
| 23:31.33 | avgj0e | depends what you're developing |
| 23:31.38 | avgj0e | surely |
| 23:31.47 | streuner_ | abrotman: ping |
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| 23:31.59 | azeem | grei: it's really highly subjective |
| 23:32.01 | abrotman | streuner_: hi |
| 23:32.12 | azeem | just look at vim vs. emacs vs. eclipse vs. anjuta or so |
| 23:32.22 | streuner_ | abrotman: do you know the nick of lserenson or such again? |
| 23:32.30 | abrotman | LSorenson ? |
| 23:32.35 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 23:32.43 | streuner_ | !seen LSorenson |
| 23:32.43 | dpkg | streuner_: i haven't seen 'lsorenson' |
| 23:32.48 | lumpycam | real0ne: lose the colons, cat /proc/blah/blah |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | maybe en |
| 23:32.59 | streuner_ | abrotman: hm, long time ago... |
| 23:33.09 | azeem | lumpycam: those colons are part of the error message |
| 23:33.17 | grei | how do i invoke the debian installer after installation ? |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | streuner_: check the debstats ? |
| 23:33.24 | azeem | grei: you cannot |
| 23:33.36 | grei | no way ? |
| 23:33.48 | azeem | grei: what are you trying to acheive? |
| 23:33.53 | lumpycam | azeem: sorry. |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | grei: weren't you just here has MrWGW ? |
| 23:34.00 | grei | an easy way to install a good amount of packets |
| 23:34.04 | streuner_ | abrotman: when dpkg not find him in seen, its history then |
| 23:34.05 | grei | no |
| 23:34.10 | abrotman | uhm odd |
| 23:34.11 | real0ne | lumpycam don't work :( |
| 23:34.12 | azeem | grei: what does that have to do with the installer? |
| 23:34.17 | abrotman | since he just asked *all* the same questions |
| 23:34.31 | azeem | grei: use tasksel, apt-get or aptitude or synaptic |
| 23:34.40 | grei | there were some options that were like *dekstop environment, dev env etc" |
| 23:34.46 | grei | so i was hoping i could choose one of them |
| 23:34.49 | azeem | that's tasksel |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | streuner_: debstats probably has it |
| 23:35.06 | grei | ok |
| 23:35.17 | grei | thnx |
| 23:35.25 | azeem | though there is no dev env task currently |
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| 23:36.30 | abrotman | !karma LSorensen |
| 23:36.30 | dpkg | lsorensen has karma of 2 |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | streuner_: ^^ |
| 23:36.41 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 23:37.08 | streuner_ | saw a patch of him in 2006 |
| 23:37.21 | MrWGW_- | how do I vie wa list of installed packages/ |
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| 23:37.31 | azeem | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 23:37.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ^ii |
| 23:37.39 | avgj0e | heh |
| 23:37.48 | streuner_ | dpkg, Shut up! :-) |
| 23:37.48 | dpkg | streuner_: wish i knew |
| 23:38.13 | RSi | im doing a bit of research for a paper: if i wrote an application ViX - Vi eXtended (made up), what would i need to do so someone can apt-get install it? |
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| 23:38.30 | lumpycam | real0ne: try in a terminal, 'dmesg |
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| 23:38.40 | gravity | RSi: Put it in an apt archive on your server and point people to it. |
| 23:38.49 | gravity | RSi: If you want to get it in to Debian that's more complicated. |
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| 23:38.57 | RSi | gravity: they would need to add it to /etc/sources? |
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| 23:39.02 | lumpycam | real0ne: try in a terminal, 'dmesg | grep -i acpi' sorry to repeat. |
| 23:39.05 | RSi | gravity: my server that is |
| 23:39.07 | gravity | RSi: Yes |
| 23:39.18 | RSi | gravity: and what exactly is the route to get it into debian? |
| 23:39.44 | gravity | RSi: You can find someone who's interested in having it in the archive. You get them to do all the work on it and maintain it for Debian. |
| 23:39.49 | RSi | gravity: and if i have an apt archive, how do i do things like signed binaries, or does apt take care of that? |
| 23:39.55 | gravity | RSi: Alternately, you can package it and have them upload for you as your sponsor |
| 23:40.15 | gravity | RSi: The sponsor, who's a Debian Developer, has the ability to sign packages so they're accepted when they're uploaded |
| 23:40.17 | deadcat | i am trying to get splix/cupsys to work on my desktop with my samsung ml-2010 laser printer, but all i get on paper is the INTEWRNAL ERROR - FALSE. it doesnt tell me how to fix or what not. |
| 23:40.29 | real0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.05 | gravity | RSi: From getting sponsored, there's increasing levels of involvement if you want to go that route, all the way to becoming a Debian Developer yourself |
| 23:41.08 | RSi | gravity: what if i roll my own apt server, basically apt (from debian) is nice because you know your binaries arent tampered with, how can i ensure that from my own server? would i need to sign them myself, or is there a more automated/better process? |
| 23:41.40 | gravity | RSi: apt supports public keys for archives. I don't know the details of setting that up though |
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| 23:43.29 | grei | does anyone remember what the packages for main syscalls manpages and include files are ? |
| 23:43.37 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | !tell grei about search |
| 23:43.49 | grei | : P |
| 23:44.24 | lumpycam | real0ne: your dmesg sems ok, but lacks certain information. mine is a laptop fyi. try inspecting inside your case for a plugged or bad fan. |
| 23:46.10 | real0ne | lumpycam tanks but d u know with wich command can i know my cpu temperature? |
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| 23:46.46 | RSi | gravity: so would you roll your own Releases.gpg and have them put your key in their keyring? |
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| 23:47.30 | lumpycam | real0ne: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature - works for me. |
| 23:48.02 | RSi | gravity: thanks for your help btw, it hink i have what i need |
| 23:48.16 | gravity | RSi: No problem. Good luck |
| 23:48.19 | real0ne | lumpycam ok thanks for all but don't work for me :) |
| 23:48.39 | amphi | real0ne: did you modprobe thermal ? |
| 23:48.56 | real0ne | amphi what d u want to mean plz? |
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| 23:49.09 | lumpycam | real0ne: maybe a search in synaptic for packages is in order. sorry |
| 23:49.23 | real0ne | ok |
| 23:49.53 | lumpycam | real0ne: amphi has a great suggestion there fyi. |
| 23:49.58 | amphi | real0ne: you need acpi thermal support in your kernel for that or acpi -t to work |
| 23:50.08 | ColMustard | hello |
| 23:50.17 | ColMustard | how do I compile just one kernel module? |
| 23:50.38 | karsten | ColMustard: In the pantry. With the bread knife. |
| 23:50.50 | lumpycam | real0ne: i compiled the latest kernel, that might be an issue also. |
| 23:51.08 | amphi | lumpycam: try (as root), 'modprobe thermal' |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | ColMustard: which module? |
| 23:51.24 | karsten | ColMustard: You can use the module-assistant package (m-a) for that, or just bite the bullet and rebuild a full kernel with the module you want enabled. |
| 23:51.38 | lumpycam | amphi: real0ne is asking thx tho' :) |
| 23:51.42 | ColMustard | snd-oxygen |
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| 23:52.01 | karsten | ColMustard: In theory you can build just one module, but I've generally found it takes longer to get things set up for that than the build would take. Once properly supported: drop to the build dir for that module and type "make". |
| 23:52.06 | amphi | lumpycam: pardon ;) |
| 23:52.58 | ColMustard | ok, thanks |
| 23:52.59 | lumpycam | amphi: excellent suggestion btw. |
| 23:53.02 | karsten | ColMustard: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/can-i-compile-just-one-kernel-module-whithout-recompiling-the-whole-kernel-147260/ http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html |
| 23:53.10 | karsten | ColMustard: ... both of which mostly support what I just said. |
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| 23:54.19 | karsten | ColMustard: The cyberciti.biz link actually suggests a method, you can try it if you want. |
| 23:54.19 | lumpycam | real0ne: try lsmod |grep thermal or what amphi suggested. |
| 23:54.40 | ColMustard | Ill just rebuild the whole thing |
| 23:55.22 | real0ne | lumpycam amphi debian:/home/real0ne# lsmod |grep thermal |
| 23:55.23 | real0ne | thermal 13608 0 |
| 23:55.23 | real0ne | processor 28840 1 thermal |
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| 23:55.36 | real0ne | but normaly how much should be? :))) |
| 23:55.56 | amphi | real0ne: does acpi -t show a temp ? |
| 23:56.25 | real0ne | debian:/home/real0ne# acpi -t |
| 23:56.26 | real0ne | No support for device type: thermal |
| 23:56.28 | real0ne | amphi |
| 23:56.40 | amphi | hmm - what machine is this? |
| 23:56.46 | abrotman | 386! |
| 23:56.59 | real0ne | desktop i386 |
| 23:57.18 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 23:57.35 | lumpycam | real0ne: i suggest the latest kernel. 2.6.18 sucks compared to 2.6.25 something.... imho. |
| 23:57.35 | mimcpher | Actual 386? I'm assuming its actually a later x86..... |
| 23:57.40 | amphi | not such a great suggestion in that case ;) |
| 23:58.12 | grei | how is the package for /usr/include files called ? |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | !tell grei about search |
| 23:58.21 | SeveredCross | linux-kernel-header? |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | real0ne: what's yoru CPU model ? |
| 23:58.36 | abrotman | grei: there isn't a single package .. be more specific |
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| 23:58.50 | karsten | ColMustard: That's your best bet usually. Mind that once you've done that, if you're modifying sources, you should be able to just limit the rebuild to the changed sources (that's the whole idea of "make"). |
| 23:58.57 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:59.03 | SeveredCross | Er, rather, linux-headers-something, though I'm also seeing linux-libc-dev |
| 23:59.14 | grei | xmm |
| 23:59.21 | real0ne | abrotman pentium d |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | SeveredCross: maybe you should ask him what he's actually trying to do instead of guessing repeatedly .. |
| 23:59.45 | SeveredCross | Sounded like he wanted kernel headers. |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | i bet he doesn't know |
| 23:59.54 | SeveredCross | :-P |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | real0ne: uname -a .. show us |
