| 00:00.13 | abrotman | real0ne: your system should have thermal support |
| 00:00.21 | real0ne | Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat May 24 10:24:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:00.29 | lumpycam | real0ne: thats a 64 bit cpu i believe, might be the difference. |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | maybe his ACPI implementation sucks |
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| 00:00.59 | real0ne | no i have x86 CPU and u have just now make apt-get upgrade |
| 00:01.27 | real0ne | i thing that just my CPU fan is Old and i musst change it that's all :) |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | can't be that old if it's pentium D |
| 00:02.07 | lumpycam | real0ne: crazy things happen if that chip gets hot. |
| 00:02.12 | S4nD3r | My pendrive do not mount automatically when is inserted... If I run manually ./S12dbus restart then, is mounted.. What to do to this service be listening usb??? CD is automatically automounted... |
| 00:05.46 | S4nD3r | My pendrive do not mount automatically when is inserted... If I run manually ./S12dbus restart then, is mounted.. What to do to this service be listening usb??? CD is automatically automounted... |
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| 00:15.06 | woodgrain | I see a lot of users putting stuff in /opt ... but the debian reference doesn't mention /opt. Should I use it? |
| 00:15.26 | elpasto | hi, how copy file with scp to remote debian etch? i use: scp FILE remotehost:~ , but debian ask a passwd and return my shell without copy the file, WTF? |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | woodgrain: up to you .. official debian packages won't use /opt/ |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | elpasto: scp file.foo user@host:file.foo |
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| 00:17.09 | lumpycam | elpasto: try omitting the tilde and use scp file user@host: |
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| 00:18.48 | real0ne | is thunderbird packaged on debian? |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | icedove |
| 00:18.57 | blameless | real0ne: icedove |
| 00:19.09 | real0ne | ok |
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| 00:21.11 | intx | hehe. fire. fox. ice. dove. |
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| 00:22.18 | blameless | iceweasel is the firefox equiv. icedove is the thunderbird equiv. i don't know the others |
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| 00:23.31 | dryrot | what is the story of iceweasel anyway |
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| 00:23.48 | amphi | !why iceweasel |
| 00:23.48 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 00:23.59 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:24.53 | dryrot | i sure get a lot of weird spam on freenode |
| 00:25.30 | amphi | I get the odd PM spam, much of it turkish, seemingly |
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| 00:26.00 | blameless | are you +i? |
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| 00:26.53 | elpasto | abrotman, same error |
| 00:27.00 | abrotman | elpasto: ? |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:28.58 | JonkoPAA | Is debian stable really outdated? |
| 00:29.05 | S4nD3r | i would like to automount my memorystick |
| 00:29.19 | elpasto | any suggestion? |
| 00:29.59 | amphi | blameless: me? yes |
| 00:30.30 | S4nD3r | Ke |
| 00:30.46 | blameless | odd. i don't get any spam but i have messages from non-id'ed folks disabled |
| 00:31.27 | amphi | that's freenode's default, I believe |
| 00:31.53 | PhrkOnLsh | where can I get a number for debian users/cd image downloads? |
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| 00:33.28 | nevyn | JonkoPAA: not outdated ... mature. |
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| 00:38.45 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: there's no central server, so we don't know such users. |
| 00:39.00 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: we do know that it's larger than what's reported in popcon, though, so that can give you a lower bound. |
| 00:39.31 | PhrkOnLsh | How can I get info from popcorn? |
| 00:39.37 | dondelelcaro | !popcon |
| 00:39.37 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 00:40.16 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, shiny |
| 00:40.18 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | wtf is the i486 architecture ? |
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| 00:42.04 | abrotman | or the "dpkg" architecture |
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| 00:42.18 | dw | hey there. can anyone recommend a repository that would have binaries suitable for encoding .m4a or .m4a? |
| 00:42.22 | dw | er, or .mp3? |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | /msg dpkg dmm for lame |
| 00:42.43 | dw | thanks |
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| 00:46.38 | dw | abrotman: excellent, thanks! |
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| 00:47.00 | PhrkOnLsh | What is prefered; locate or find / -name ? |
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| 00:49.00 | S4nD3r_ | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=41539 This was not enough to solve my problem. Please,... help me... |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: that's arch linux |
| 00:50.11 | jmsaunde | http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: locate runs on a database that has to be updated |
| 00:50.17 | jmsaunde | ergh. sorry wrong channel. |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | jmsaunde: don't spam here again |
| 00:50.25 | S4nD3r_ | Cd is automount.... |
| 00:50.30 | S4nD3r_ | stick no |
| 00:50.32 | S4nD3r_ | snif |
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| 00:51.06 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 00:51.07 | jmsaunde | abrotman: it's an interesting link and I already apologized. no need to be jumpy |
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| 00:51.31 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: do you even know what does your automounting ? |
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| 00:52.03 | nootoyahora | I'm running debian testing, with openoffice 2.4.0 and I'm getting some trouble since a few updates, the objects in the documents of writer (images form files and calc tables) they don't show in the page.. what is wron |
| 00:52.07 | nootoyahora | g? what can i do? |
| 00:52.19 | S4nD3r_ | yes |
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| 00:54.37 | S4nD3r_ | my automounting just mount cdrom automatically |
| 00:54.56 | S4nD3r_ | memorystick just appears in my applet (gnome) |
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| 00:57.29 | S4nD3r_ | abrotman: are you there??? |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | yes .. but you didn't answer anything |
| 00:58.24 | S4nD3r_ | I know |
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| 00:59.29 | S4nD3r_ | automounting is not mounting memory stick device automatically when it is inserted |
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| 01:01.02 | binarymutant | hey, has anyone actually downloaded or used splashtop? I downloaded the developer version and it just contains patches and blackbox source. |
| 01:01.15 | trifler | S4nD3r_: Do you have a profile on how to handle the dongle? |
| 01:01.35 | S4nD3r_ | hun? |
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| 01:02.39 | S4nD3r_ | is this so difficult that nobody knows what to do? |
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| 01:03.40 | trifler | S4nD3r_: I haven't follwed your problem. But I guess you should look into hal and dbus |
| 01:03.53 | S4nD3r_ | Yes, Im agree |
| 01:04.01 | S4nD3r_ | But its running normally |
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| 01:04.34 | coldboot|home | How do you get dpkg or apt-get to ask you configuration questions when you install a new package that has post-install configuration scripts? |
| 01:05.05 | dondelelcaro | coldboot|home: set the debconf prompting level appropriately for those questions, or use dpkg-reconfigure after. |
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| 01:05.24 | coldboot|home | dondelelcaro: Do I edit a file for debconf, or run debconf? |
| 01:05.53 | LtL | S4nD3r_: I 'think' adding your username to the 'plugdev' group 'might' do the trick. |
| 01:06.03 | coldboot|home | How do you check what the current level is? |
| 01:06.05 | dondelelcaro | coldboot|home: run dpkg-reconfigure debconf, or set DEBIAN_PRIORITY or whatever. |
| 01:06.09 | S4nD3r_ | id sander |
| 01:06.09 | S4nD3r_ | uid=1000(sander) gid=1000(sander) grupos=1000(sander),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),115(admin),117(pulse-access),119(messagebus),121(netdev),122(polkituser),123(haldaemon),124(vboxusers) |
| 01:06.16 | S4nD3r_ | Im over there] |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:07.42 | nootoyahora | I'm running debian testing, with openoffice 2.4.0 and I'm getting some trouble since a few updates, the objects in the documents of writer (images form files and calc tables) they don't show in the page.. what is wron |
| 01:07.44 | S4nD3r_ | its installed |
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| 01:08.20 | S4nD3r_ | ii libc6 2.7-10 |
| 01:08.43 | HockeyInJune | Where does KDE store the layout for Kicker Applications Menu? |
| 01:08.53 | binarymutant | has anyone compiled splashtop? |
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| 01:10.47 | S4nD3r | libc6 is installed in my box |
| 01:11.14 | S4nD3r | hal or dbus is crazy just with storage memory sticks |
| 01:11.20 | S4nD3r | with cds, no ! |
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| 01:13.51 | uhong | ircs://cn.i-r-c.net:9999/chat |
| 01:14.06 | abrotman | uhong: wrong channel |
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| 01:14.30 | uhong | i'm sorry |
| 01:15.15 | PhrkOnLsh | HockeyInJune: Propbably ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/ knowing KDE :) |
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| 01:20.14 | S4nD3r | the problem is hotplug |
| 01:20.17 | S4nD3r | ummm |
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| 01:20.23 | S4nD3r | but I didnt get solve yet |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | there is no hotplug in etch unless you try really hard |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | i wanted to see which version of libc6 you had installed |
| 01:22.50 | HockeyInJune | PhrkOnLsh, I tried copying the while .kde folder, everything worked expect for the Menu |
| 01:22.50 | S4nD3r | I have this one: ls /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor/20-broken-usb-sticks.fdi |
| 01:22.53 | S4nD3r | is correct?? |
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| 01:26.33 | PhrkOnLsh | HockeyInJune: I dunno, then, perhaps /usr/share/applnk/.hidden/kicker_config.desktop |
| 01:26.46 | HockeyInJune | hmm okay thanks |
| 01:27.09 | PhrkOnLsh | HockeyInJune: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=kicker+config+file+kde&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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| 01:27.55 | PhrkOnLsh | ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc, HockeyInJune |
| 01:28.17 | PhrkOnLsh | google is your friend :) |
| 01:28.52 | HockeyInJune | I said before, I tried copying the whole .kde folder, everything worked except for the Menu layout, something must be missing |
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| 01:30.12 | PhrkOnLsh | HockeyInJune: I can garuantee you it's in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 01:30.27 | HockeyInJune | Okay, I'll try it again, thanks |
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| 01:53.45 | dryrot | approx times out for me sometimes... sometimes not.... sometimes does. does anyone else use it? does it work reliably for them? |
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| 01:56.01 | SpookyET | hi |
| 01:56.04 | SpookyET | Is there a plugin that fixes escape codes problem in gVIM? emacs has a minor mode 'ansi-mode' that fixes it for itself. See http://www.studioindustryllc.com/user/spookyet/miscellaneous/ansi-escape-codes.png |
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| 01:57.17 | abrotman | SpookyET: #vim ? |
| 01:57.49 | SpookyET | abrotman: dead |
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| 01:58.19 | nevyn | SpookyET: :set encoding ? |
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| 02:00.43 | rinite | i have just finished installing debian 4r3 on this computer. i could say the installing process went ok, but then when i tried do run it, it loads and starts something on the video that its all glitches and scratches. i can see the mouse moving, but the keyboard doesnt respond. any ideas? |
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| 02:01.18 | Pav5088 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:01.48 | abrotman | it's a .24 kernel .. does it requ9ire firmware ? is it in the .24 kernel? do you you know which module drives it? |
| 02:02.50 | Pav5088 | My supplier has an Intel board supplied with another LAN chip, but it's virtually obsolete (ie. only supports 800fsb) |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | yeah .. so obsolete |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | i bet you can only get a dual-core 2.8Ghz in that or something stupid |
| 02:03.48 | jelly-home | probably isn't even a dualcore cpu |
| 02:04.00 | stew | are those the ones with the turbo switch on the front? |
| 02:04.18 | Pav5088 | abrotman : If you're looking for best bang for buck 800fsb is below the curve (at least here). |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | Pav5088: but it's far from obsolete |
| 02:04.35 | xsdg | stew: *high five* |
| 02:04.43 | xsdg | stew: the turbo switch was amazing :oP |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | xsdg: did you gradumacate yet? |
| 02:04.54 | xsdg | abrotman: indeed I did |
| 02:04.55 | Pav5088 | abrotman : OK, just not the best value for money then... |
| 02:05.04 | jelly-home | stew: hm, my 533fsb laptop doesn't have a turbo button yet! |
| 02:05.06 | PhrkOnLsh | Is there any way to control pidgin via command line or shell scripts? I've looked at dbus but can't figure out how to use it |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | Pav5088: depends how much you have to spend i suppose :) |
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| 02:05.18 | abrotman | Pav5088: anyways .. find out the driver .. see what makes it work |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: apt-cache show finch |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | erm .. maybe that's not what he wanted :) |
| 02:05.59 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: I know about finch; what I want to do is control a running pidgin session via dbus or dcop or so :) |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | ask #pidgin ? |
| 02:06.24 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, I hdan't thought there'd be a pidgin. Sorry |
| 02:06.34 | xsdg | PhrkOnLsh: you might look into the purple commandline tools |
| 02:06.46 | xsdg | PhrkOnLsh: libpurple-bin package |
| 02:07.09 | xsdg | PhrkOnLsh: (I have no idea if they do what you want, but they might) |
| 02:07.16 | Pav5088 | r8169 is the driver... but google is filled with cries of grief over this driver and the 8111C chipset. I'm not sure if the dot releases of the 2.4.24 kernel support more hardware or not. If it doesn't I guess that means I could be out of luck unless Lenny moves to 2.4.25 |
| 02:07.35 | PhrkOnLsh | xsdg: That looks good |
| 02:07.44 | PhrkOnLsh | xsdg: Yep, that's what I'm looking for, thanks |
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| 02:08.04 | xsdg | PhrkOnLsh: sweet |
| 02:08.12 | rinite | does anybody have any idea what problem is this that i have starting 4r3 with the video? its just glitches and scratches. |
| 02:08.14 | xsdg | PhrkOnLsh: and I like your nick :o) |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | Pav5088: send me a board .. i'll let you know :) |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | Pav5088: can't you get just one as an evaluation ? |
| 02:09.47 | PhrkOnLsh | rinite: We can't help you without knowing hardware, drivers, etc |
| 02:09.52 | Pav5088 | I suppose... I was hoping I wouldn't have to. |
| 02:09.53 | PhrkOnLsh | lspci|grep Video or so |
| 02:10.10 | SpookyET | nevyn: annsi colours man, it has to parse them |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Pav5088: the beta2 installer is pretty recent (which is the one with the .24 kernel) |
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| 02:10.39 | Pav5088 | abrotman : Most of the people with problems seem to be Ubuntu Hardy people with 2.6.24 kernels |
| 02:10.43 | _joey | what is a commercial alternative on linux similar to ms exchange? |
| 02:10.56 | _joey | there were a couple of products on the market I forgot their names |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | _joey: ask ##linux .. it's not a #debian question |
| 02:11.14 | nevyn | SpookyET: ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh.. dunno |
| 02:11.21 | abrotman | Pav5088: might have the same issues .. but there's no way to know for certain |
| 02:11.26 | rinite | PhrkOnLsh: well, i cant really do anything there, im running in windows here. but its a Dual Core on a p5vdc-x and a nvidia geforce 6200 |
| 02:11.32 | Pav5088 | abrotman : There are several point releases of this kernel... I was hoping that they include updated drivers as well as fixes... If not I guess I'm out of luck (unless 2.6.25 is shipped with Lenny) |
| 02:11.49 | _joey | abrotman shush :) |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | Pav5088: you could check the changelog |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | _joey: not funny |
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| 02:12.43 | dancor | easy way to silence the "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" warning? |
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| 02:13.22 | abrotman | blacklist the ipv6 module |
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| 02:13.55 | dancor | ah that'll do it |
| 02:14.03 | dancor | (until i need it some day :) |
| 02:14.13 | Pav5088 | Pav5088 : I checked the changelog for Realtek, 8111C... but I can't remember if I checked for 8169... so I might look again. |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | it's a harmless message though |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | Pav5088: and the kernel hsa a bug tracker .. maybe some notes there ? |
| 02:14.37 | dancor | abrotman: it's unsettling when i'm trying to log in to console |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 02:14.59 | PhrkOnLsh | rinite: boot into single (runlevel 1) and run Xorg -configure |
| 02:15.41 | rinite | PhrkOnLsh ill try, thanks |
| 02:16.08 | rinite | quit |
| 02:16.12 | rinite | oops |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: that won't work ? |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | is missing a phone |
| 02:16.49 | technoid_ | call it to find it |
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| 02:18.06 | abrotman | technoid_: well .. if it were my cell that wouldn't have worked, keep it on vibrate |
| 02:18.25 | Pav5088 | Does anyone know of a new cheap board with supported onboard LAN, vid etc? |
| 02:18.49 | technoid_ | abrot: depends on where it is at... |
| 02:18.50 | Wyzard | Pav5088: Most motherboards these days have that |
| 02:18.57 | Wyzard | Well, dunno about video |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | Pav5088: uhm .. i just got an intel board that was all supported .. not top of the line by any means |
| 02:19.20 | |seb| | how make postfix server accept a username that doesn't exist? (I send to different user with /etc/aliases line) |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | Pav5088: and i put lenny on it |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | |seb|: #postfix |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure www.postfix.org has a section about that |
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| 02:20.53 | Pav5088 | I've got an intel and a gigabyte board here... both supported... both purchased not long ago... but it seems the next round of hardware is upon us. |
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| 02:21.10 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: what won't work |
| 02:21.12 | PhrkOnLsh | ? |
| 02:21.25 | Pav5088 | I've just found out that it worked in 2.6.23... broke in 2.6.24... and again works in 2.6.25 (for Realtek 8111C LAN) |
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| 02:22.18 | abrotman | Pav5088: this was for a "low end" system .. built like two months ago |
| 02:22.21 | Pav5088 | (according to a fedora board... I'm googling as we speak) |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | i think it was a G35 board .. but i'd have to double check if you really want to know |
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| 02:23.49 | Wyzard | Pav5088: I bought an Abit IX38 QuadGT board a few week ago (new, high-end) and although I haven't run Linux on it (it's a Windows gaming box), I don't think there's anything on it that Linux doesn't support |
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| 02:24.02 | Pav5088 | abrotman : Yeah... these other machines were build about 6ish months ago... but the sweet spot has moved up from 800fsb for even the cheap systems since. Well, at least here (Australia). |
| 02:24.05 | iw | I am running Debian on a Dell Inspiron 8600, and I can't seem to get the CRT/LCD button to work. I ran lshal and the keypress showed up. does anyone know how I can get this working? |
| 02:24.21 | rinite | PhrkOnLsh hello again. i did the Xorg -configure. it did some stuff, said my mouse was not detected and something like that, and when i tried to restart, id still had those glitches and scratches, but were really different, they had a more blue-like background |
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| 02:24.42 | abrotman | iw: might be an xrandr thing |
| 02:24.56 | rinite | im really new to configuring X and such, is there other things i might be missing? |
| 02:25.33 | Pav5088 | abrotman : The two working systems I have were built for myself... these others are for customers. I guess I COULD still buy them the other stuff... but it's not value for money, and this is a problem I'm going to have to face sooner or later anyway. |
| 02:26.22 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 02:26.23 | dpkg | somebody said hwinfo was your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 02:26.27 | abrotman | Pav5088: you can always RMA :) |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | Pav5088: i heard grumblings that lenny may eventually release with a .26 kernel |
| 02:27.38 | iw | abrotman, xrandr shows there's only one screen -- I just want to clone the screen, not set up a new desktop. I havent found any tutorials or discussions online that tells me how to do that |
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| 02:28.01 | abrotman | no idea .. sorry |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | iw: is it enabled in the bios ? |
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| 02:28.44 | iw | abrotman, I'll have to check -- the button push is being captured though |
| 02:29.07 | iw | abrotman, Xorg.0.log adds a "Capability Changed" event when I push it |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | and if you run the xrandr after that ? |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | mine shows LVDS and VGA as outputs |
| 02:29.54 | iw | it just shows 1 screen still |
| 02:29.55 | Pav5088 | abrotman : One can always hope. I COULD use a sid kernel, and then something from backports... but that wouldn't be ideal. |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | well .. sid is up to a .25 i think |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | iw: i'd double check the bios to start .. i didn't have to do anything on my laptop .. though it is a thinkpad |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | erm .. do anything on my laptop to get that working |
| 02:31.05 | iw | ok, i'll check that abrotman |
| 02:31.11 | iw | thanks for your help |
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| 02:31.49 | abrotman | i wasn't much help |
| 02:31.59 | sinisterporpois1 | can anyone help with a sound issue? |
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| 02:32.42 | sinisterporpois1 | for some reason I get a delayed echo on my laptop's speakers when playing cds, videos on Youtube or MP3s. It has to be a simple settings thing, I think |
| 02:34.10 | sinisterporpois1 | no ideas? |
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| 02:42.41 | grei | i just tried installing openssh server and it is stuck in "Preconfiguring packages ..." part - is this a known issue ? |
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| 02:43.26 | lsemple | anyone know how to get a logitech web cam thing working ? |
| 02:43.30 | lsemple | and if it will work with kopete ? |
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| 02:44.25 | abrotman | grei: wait a minute .. or switch terminals and mash they keyboard a bit |
| 02:45.01 | grei | i ve been waiting for over 5 mins |
| 02:45.07 | grei | and i see no disk activity |
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| 02:45.23 | grei | the only thing is that some config files are created in /tmp |
| 02:45.32 | designs703 | Anybody installed Debian over OSX Parallels? |
| 02:45.42 | grei | and top shows that no CPU usage is spent |
| 02:45.56 | grei | so ... |
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| 02:48.56 | Nyle | .25-2 |
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| 02:52.08 | grei | still nothing |
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| 02:57.50 | poseidon | Isn't there some sort of debian port to BSD? |
| 03:00.11 | amphi | yes, kfreebsd IIRC |
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| 03:01.37 | grei | i just tried installing openssh server and it is stuck in "Preconfiguring packages ..." part - is this a known issue ? |
| 03:01.54 | Doctor_Nick | i'm trying to think of a good way to evangalize some guy that's developing a project that would be extremely useful if it were open source |
| 03:02.32 | Doctor_Nick | does anyone have any ideas, tips, threats, etc? |
| 03:02.54 | KineticBug | Does he have pets? |
| 03:03.01 | Doctor_Nick | hehehe |
| 03:04.50 | poseidon | Doctor_Nick, I'm interested in what the project is :) |
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| 03:05.06 | Doctor_Nick | ehhh |
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| 03:05.59 | Doctor_Nick | i'd rather not say out loud, i'm afraid some jackass will go off and email him something like "INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE, FOR A GNU DAWWWWN!!!!", and totally sour him on the idea :/ |
| 03:07.02 | amphi | heh |
| 03:08.05 | Doctor_Nick | ill pm you if you're interested in helping me, though :) |
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| 03:09.07 | rga_ | I have a problem, I have colinux on windows vista and it works, I use pcap-bridge with a default debian install, now debian can acces to net, an another computers can connect to, but I can't connect/ping etc between host & guest, so I can connect from my vista to colinux, any idea how to fix it? debian block something if it is in the same machine? thanks in advances |
| 03:09.19 | nevyn | Doctor_Nick: most of the benifits are benefits to users. |
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| 03:11.09 | Doctor_Nick | nevyn: yeah, i'm thinking that phrasing it in ways that open-sourcing it would benefit him and the project |
| 03:11.13 | Doctor_Nick | would be best |
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| 03:12.43 | avgj0e | Doctor_Nick: how about; he can leverage an enourmous repository of existing and pretested code |
| 03:13.04 | avgj0e | that some of his userbase would do his work for him |
| 03:13.09 | Doctor_Nick | yeah |
| 03:13.23 | Doctor_Nick | i'm fairly certain that the community would rally around the project if it were open-sourced |
| 03:13.38 | Doctor_Nick | because it's something that's sorely lacking |
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| 03:13.48 | KineticBug | As well as, personally, I'd be more inclined to support (read: donate $) to an open source project. |
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| 03:13.57 | avgj0e | that some customers need the code to such projects in escrow, which open source does by definition |
| 03:14.40 | Doctor_Nick | I don't think he plans to make money off it, regardless |
| 03:14.54 | avgj0e | he can make more money with it being open sourced |
| 03:15.03 | avgj0e | potentially, anyway |
| 03:15.04 | Doctor_Nick | but I think he might have some preconcieved notions about open-source that's preventing him from doing so |
| 03:15.23 | Pryon | What's his major concern? |
| 03:15.24 | Doctor_Nick | because his resume is all proprietary software stuff |
| 03:15.37 | Doctor_Nick | ah, fuck it |
| 03:16.03 | Doctor_Nick | if I link the project here, please, noone run off and email this guy, this is very important |
| 03:16.14 | Pryon | If it's that important, hold off |
| 03:16.15 | avgj0e | uh, then don't |
| 03:16.19 | avgj0e | nods |
| 03:16.21 | Doctor_Nick | ok |
| 03:16.30 | Doctor_Nick | would you guys be interested in a private chat or something |
| 03:16.39 | amphi | Doctor_Nick: you could give some idea of what the thing is? |
| 03:16.52 | avgj0e | sorry, not at the moment. much work to do |
| 03:16.53 | Pryon | I'm curious, but I'm not really interested enough to get deeply involved |
| 03:16.57 | Doctor_Nick | ok |
| 03:17.33 | avgj0e | Doctor_Nick: seriously, I have the most success selling customers on the idea of open sourcing their project simply by telling them that we can leverage existing code |
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| 03:18.17 | Doctor_Nick | it's sort of a heuristic detection security tool |
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| 03:19.11 | avgj0e | shouldn't he look into an existing project which satsifies maybe half his requirements? ie; http://www.openvas.org/ |
| 03:19.19 | Doctor_Nick | the methodology behind it is sufficiently complicated enough that noone else has bothered to work on something similar |
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| 03:19.29 | avgj0e | ok. that answered that qn |
| 03:19.40 | avgj0e | meh. work beckons |
| 03:19.44 | Doctor_Nick | ok |
| 03:19.49 | Doctor_Nick | thanks for the advice |
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| 03:28.29 | poseidon | Doctor_Nick, I would love to here what the project is. I'm always wondering what kind of projects other people are working on. |
| 03:28.29 | varney | hi all - i'm using status2k script to see connections to my server, and i can see there are 3 connections to the SSH, how come? |
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| 03:28.52 | varney | http://pastebin.com/d2490141e |
| 03:29.05 | varney | i thought it was supposed to be root only |
| 03:29.11 | varney | since that's all i have enabled |
| 03:29.18 | erpo | I just set the user password on my new laptop's hdd, but now when I try to start the machine, it tells me that the ata security password I entered is incorrect. It made me type the password twice when I set it so I'm sure I didn't make a mistake, and I've carefully retyped the user password several times. Any suggestions? Yes, I've tried the password with capslock off and on. |
| 03:29.31 | PhrkOnLsh | How would I send command to Skype via dbus and bash? |
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| 03:31.14 | varney | furthermore i don't know why those ports are all different since i port 22 they should be?? |
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| 03:32.05 | \amethyst | varney: what makes you think those are ssh? |
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| 03:32.23 | Doctor_Nick | poseidon: i sent you a pm |
| 03:32.31 | \amethyst | varney: judging by the high port numbers in the local address, those are probably outgoing connections |
| 03:32.38 | muddd | netstat -patune is nifty |
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| 03:36.32 | varney | \amethyst: i think they are ssh, since they are in the ssh section of the staus2k script |
| 03:37.02 | \amethyst | varney: I think it might just say that because the destination port number starts with 22 |
| 03:37.45 | varney | any idea what might be outgoing to them? |
| 03:37.53 | Nyle | my connection is shitting itself |
| 03:37.56 | \amethyst | varney: try netstat -punta (as root) and see what process they belong to |
| 03:38.11 | varney | i don't think i have setup anything that would require an outgoing connection like this |
| 03:38.13 | Nyle | ahh man, my internet will get hooked up on saturday and I won't have to hack random weps |
| 03:38.26 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:38.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:38.40 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:38.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:38.51 | Nyle | ahhh boy :( |
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| 03:39.12 | Doctor_Nick | !pong |
| 03:39.12 | dpkg | pong is, like, the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 03:39.18 | Doctor_Nick | :o |
| 03:39.23 | varney | ah yes |
| 03:39.26 | varney | python |
| 03:39.33 | Nyle | \amethyst, do you know if a driver can fuck up a monitor permanently? |
| 03:39.45 | muddd | i'm sensing the piratebay is trying to tell me something, but i dont know swedish :( |
| 03:39.48 | varney | where you guys come up with those handy commands i'll never know, lol |
| 03:40.04 | muddd | heh you have torrents |
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| 03:40.23 | Nyle | is that possible? that a video driver can fuck up a lcd if it configured it improperly or if the driver is fucked? |
| 03:40.26 | \amethyst | Nyle: theoretically, at least with old monitors, if you try driving them at too high a frequency they'll die |
| 03:40.47 | varney | thanx a lot for your help, \amethyst :D |
| 03:40.48 | \amethyst | Nyle: oh, an LCD... that would probably be much harder |
| 03:42.39 | varney | what would be the command for viewing last ssh logins? |
| 03:42.42 | Nyle | \amethyst, my lcd is 16:10 but fglrx tried to configure it for 1920x1080 and xrandr refused to show 1680x1050 and when I restarted X, I got stuck red/blue/green pixels EVERYWHERE. I went back to radeonhd driver and most of the stuck pixels went away, I ran some stuck pixel fixing tools and gained more sucess, and fixed almost all stuck pixels except 2 recurring ones (red subpixels) |
| 03:43.07 | \amethyst | Nyle: hm... no clue :( |
| 03:43.26 | muddd | heh, stuck pixel fixing tools |
| 03:43.33 | Nyle | muddd, they work. |
| 03:43.51 | Nyle | in theory, they should, and in most cases they do, but of course they are not guaranteed |
| 03:43.56 | amphi | Nyle: what do they do? |
| 03:44.13 | Nyle | basically they rapidly turn each subpixel on/off with random brightness randomly |
| 03:44.21 | Nyle | let it run for an hour and it fixed most stuck pixels |
| 03:44.34 | amphi | ah, I thought something like that |
| 03:45.05 | \amethyst | Nyle: have you tried gently poking them |
| 03:45.07 | \amethyst | ? |
| 03:45.12 | Nyle | yessir |
| 03:45.17 | Nyle | rubbing, poking, shaking |
| 03:45.25 | Nyle | its not liquid stuck in a pixel pocket |
| 03:45.34 | Nyle | its a subpixel recurring problem |
| 03:45.41 | muddd | your monitor itself is screwed? reboot doesn't fix it? (i have no lcd monitor :p ) |
| 03:45.43 | Nyle | it keeps turning itself on/off (red) |
| 03:45.59 | Nyle | muddd, lcd is brand new, never gave problems before fglr |
| 03:46.01 | Nyle | fglrx |
| 03:46.23 | muddd | wow what an oldschool problem. I've fried a crt monitor before but that was back in 92 |
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| 03:46.43 | Nyle | well |
| 03:46.46 | muddd | it kinda gave a death scream lol |
| 03:46.54 | Nyle | itsi been over 30 days, I can't return or refun |
| 03:47.07 | muddd | damn |
| 03:47.09 | Nyle | warrantly willt ake ages they will keep the monitor plus it doesn't qualify for a repair yet |
| 03:47.16 | Nyle | not 7 stuck or 3 dead |
| 03:47.28 | Nyle | its bullshit, they either don't comply to the ISO standard or they do |
| 03:47.42 | Nyle | lots of lcd manufac. actually even refuse to give out that policy |
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| 03:48.04 | Nyle | dell and apple refused to even tell customers about how many dead/stuck qualify for a repair |
| 03:48.13 | Nyle | plus i can't bother to ship it out or what not |
| 03:48.21 | Nyle | I put it up on craigslist and got a few offers so fuck iti |
| 03:48.27 | Nyle | i'll sell it and buy a new badass one |
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| 03:49.04 | markybob | Nyle, you're missing out. they make the best 30" LCDs. i have a dell one and it's amazing |
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| 03:49.26 | Nyle | eh. |
| 03:49.34 | markybob | Nyle, you just have to buy it at the store, so you can see it and know you dont have dead pixels |
| 03:49.41 | Nyle | exactly |
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| 03:53.31 | Nyle | !token |
| 03:53.33 | muddd | one day i will get an lcd... i keep waiting for this 15" crt to die... since the mid 90's.... hmm. |
| 03:53.47 | Nyle | muddd, wait for a little while longer |
| 03:53.55 | Nyle | the price on 22" lcd is below 200$ now |
| 03:54.07 | Nyle | soon 24" lcd will be in the 22" price range |
| 03:54.17 | muddd | hell yeahs |
| 03:54.21 | markybob | really the video card is almost always the larger cost now |
| 03:54.46 | muddd | lucky i upgraded that already, hmm, 2 years ago |
| 03:54.58 | muddd | ... i should spend more on my computer |
| 03:55.08 | muddd | instead of beer and guns |
| 03:55.22 | markybob | muddd, republican! |
| 03:55.42 | muddd | lol kinda |
| 03:55.55 | Nyle | what? |
| 03:56.13 | Nyle | beer and guns is usually known to be redneck, specifically texan |
| 03:56.24 | Nyle | 100% republican |
| 03:56.34 | muddd | redneck florida, you know, the state that fixed the bush elections :p |
| 03:56.54 | muddd | north florida = south georgia |
| 03:57.02 | Nyle | I'm from louisiana |
| 03:57.06 | Nyle | I know the south well |
| 03:57.13 | Nyle | and I love it |
| 03:57.34 | markybob | i'm a damn yankee |
| 03:57.36 | Nyle | my twin brother still lives there |
| 03:57.40 | muddd | i was waiting for the rebel flag license plates to pass but I haven't heard much from that lately |
| 03:57.46 | Nyle | markybob, yeh I'm in queens too but nah, no yankee |
| 03:58.00 | muddd | my buddy is a yankee from rochester NY |
| 03:58.03 | Nyle | first place i lived in america when i first came to usa was in ny |
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| 03:58.23 | Nyle | then we moved down south and my dad started his hospital there |
| 03:58.42 | Nyle | I actually had fun i was young we lived up on like 21st floor in montefuri hospital in bronx and it was the shit |
| 03:58.52 | Nyle | culture shock, ameica comapred to apkistan kicked ass |
| 03:58.55 | muddd | where are you from then? |
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| 03:58.57 | Nyle | toys, rides, chics |
| 03:58.59 | Nyle | omg! |
| 03:58.59 | muddd | ah ok |
| 03:59.00 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:59.50 | muddd | i've always wanted to travel over there but I'm afraid I'd get my head chopped off :( |
| 04:00.02 | Nyle | dude... |
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| 04:00.21 | muddd | not being mean just paranoid |
| 04:00.24 | Nyle | yeh, you sound like a typical redneck. |
| 04:00.26 | muddd | lol |
| 04:00.27 | Nyle | bye. |
| 04:00.46 | muddd | ha i'm kidding jeeez |
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| 04:01.39 | Nyle | markybob, I'm thinking 30"+ lcd actually now that you mention it |
| 04:01.42 | Nyle | why the hell not |
| 04:01.58 | Nyle | I wonder how much my video card can push, x1900xt, radeon r580 chipset |
| 04:02.03 | markybob | Nyle, worth it. really has made my job a million times better |
| 04:02.04 | Nyle | max res i have no clue |
| 04:02.27 | Nyle | markybob, can you immagine doom2 on doomsday engine on that thing |
| 04:02.31 | Nyle | or hd porn |
| 04:02.32 | Nyle | omg! |
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| 04:02.41 | Nyle | well you can't imamgine you have it |
| 04:02.43 | markybob | i dont do games...but the porn is nice :P |
| 04:02.44 | Nyle | I imagine |
| 04:02.46 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:02.48 | muddd | lol hd porn |
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| 04:04.05 | Nyle | oh oh oh, oblivion + qarl texture pack 3 + all my HD texture mods omg! |
| 04:04.05 | Nyle | dude.. im gonna wait a while and get me a good 30 + |
| 04:04.57 | muddd | crapola bedtime nitey nite y'all |
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| 04:05.08 | Nyle | immagine two of em side by side with a gfx chip that can support max res on both x2 ( xorg.conf display section's "Virtual") physically |
| 04:05.23 | Nyle | ooooh im drooling |
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| 04:06.11 | WormFood | why does debian break scim when I update/upgrade it (no problem most of the time) |
| 04:06.25 | Nyle | WormFood, wow you've on that for a few days now I beleive |
| 04:06.29 | WormFood | it=debian |
| 04:06.35 | WormFood | I got it working last night |
| 04:06.37 | Nyle | sympathizes |
| 04:06.39 | Nyle | oh goody |
| 04:06.50 | WormFood | I just don't understand why they change things in such a manner that breaks it |
| 04:06.55 | Nyle | I don't input chinese, I have no idea, I can't even figure out how to input Urdu... yet. |
| 04:07.02 | WormFood | see? I can type in chinese now ä½ å¥½ |
| 04:07.14 | Nyle | I see a box and a chinese symbol |
| 04:07.17 | piju | wow, thats great WormFood |
| 04:07.20 | WormFood | æåé¸¡å¿ |
| 04:07.31 | Nyle | I see i think 2 cahrs, a box, and char |
| 04:07.33 | Nyle | dotted box |
| 04:07.37 | piju | WormFood, can i type monday in chinese? |
| 04:07.37 | WormFood | nice |
| 04:07.51 | Agrajag- | Nyle: that means your font doesn't have the first character |
| 04:07.52 | WormFood | ä¸å¤©? |
| 04:08.02 | Nyle | Agrajag-, ahh |
| 04:08.02 | nevyn | Iget the correct glyphs |
| 04:08.09 | WormFood | I don't remember what "monday" is for sure in chinese |
| 04:08.16 | Nyle | is using "Terminus (xfonts-terminus)" |
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| 04:09.15 | WormFood | I'm still learning chinese, so I can't say much....I can read more than I can type or speak |
| 04:09.27 | DynV | does someone know anything about CRC division ? |
| 04:09.33 | WormFood | I just noticed there is a restaurant near me that sells çè |
| 04:09.38 | Nyle | you gotta have balls to live in china |
| 04:09.41 | Nyle | thats all i gotta say |
| 04:09.46 | WormFood | why do you say that Nyle? |
| 04:10.03 | Nyle | I went to hong kong as a kid with my dad on a business trip |
| 04:10.12 | Nyle | I was scared shitless |
| 04:10.12 | WormFood | I'm next door to HK |
| 04:10.17 | markybob | Nyle, my 30" http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1180wg9.jpg :) |
| 04:10.19 | WormFood | I'm in Shenzhen |
| 04:10.19 | Nyle | I guess i still can't get past it |
| 04:10.25 | WormFood | how long ago Nyle? |
| 04:10.31 | WormFood | a lot has changed in the last 20 years |
| 04:10.33 | Nyle | I was like 6 |
| 04:10.43 | WormFood | did you cry? |
| 04:10.48 | WormFood | ååå |
| 04:10.48 | Nyle | people were frying spiders and eating them |
| 04:10.51 | WormFood | yes |
| 04:10.54 | Nyle | yes I did |
| 04:10.58 | WormFood | people eat all kinds of stuff here |
| 04:11.00 | nevyn | WormFood: that's like home right? |
| 04:11.07 | WormFood | the cantonese eat everything |
| 04:11.15 | WormFood | if it has four legs, and is not a table, they eat it |
| 04:11.23 | WormFood | if it is in the water, and not a boat, they eat it |
| 04:11.23 | Nyle | and its its the sea |
| 04:11.25 | Nyle | and not a boat |
| 04:11.27 | Nyle | ye ye ye |
| 04:11.29 | nevyn | bamboo tables |
| 04:11.33 | WormFood | if it is in the sky, and not a plane, they eat it |
| 04:11.42 | Nyle | what about bugs? |
| 04:11.47 | WormFood | sure |
| 04:11.50 | WormFood | if it moves, they eat it |
| 04:11.51 | Nyle | you know this is like way OT shit |
| 04:11.57 | Nyle | aint no ops mind or around i guess |
| 04:12.00 | nevyn | vole. |
| 04:12.05 | WormFood | sometimes I can't tell a restaurant from a pet store |
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| 04:12.07 | Nyle | what do you think of veal? |
| 04:12.13 | WormFood | yummy |
| 04:12.15 | Nyle | are you morally objected to... |
| 04:12.22 | wols | Nyle: then maybe you should stop |
| 04:12.26 | WormFood | I think it is terrible how they make veal, but it sure is damn good |
| 04:12.41 | WormFood | Nyle, did you eat çè when you went to HK? |
| 04:12.59 | Nyle | I did not eat any chinese characters in UTF. |
| 04:13.01 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:13.03 | WormFood | çè = dog meat |
| 04:13.12 | Nyle | I eat hot dogs... |
| 04:13.19 | WormFood | then you eat dog meat |
| 04:13.22 | WormFood | and pig lips |
| 04:13.34 | Nyle | I eat kosher hot dogs...and/or halal |
| 04:13.42 | Nyle | very rarely |
| 04:14.03 | Nyle | wols is right though. |
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| 04:14.50 | WormFood | I tried eating pig ears, but I didn't like them.....I like æ¨è³ (æ¨ = wood, è³ = ear) better |
| 04:15.21 | WormFood | æ¨è³ = fungus |
| 04:15.34 | Nyle | #linguistics |
| 04:15.40 | nevyn | chicken feet was where I had problems. |
| 04:15.45 | WormFood | Nyle, you forgot the /join part |
| 04:16.03 | WormFood | nevyn, I haven't tried chicken feet yet, but it seems like everyone here eats them |
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| 04:16.34 | Nyle | !kde4 |
| 04:16.34 | dpkg | from memory, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 04:17.27 | Nyle | blah i can't be bothered to go through this much shit |
| 04:17.51 | Nyle | I'll just download a kde4 ubuntu live cd and see how it is and I probably won't like it |
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| 04:18.05 | Nyle | you know, I'll go to enlightenment tonight fuck it |
| 04:18.40 | Nyle | Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5.1 |
| 04:18.53 | Nyle | hmm, sid has e16, so how come everyone cries about e17 |
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| 04:19.16 | Nyle | !e17 |
| 04:19.16 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 04:19.22 | Nyle | ! |
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| 04:20.58 | Nyle | so which should I get? debs from http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ ? or aptitude install enlightenment (Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5.1) |
| 04:21.04 | Nyle | ? any thoughts? |
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| 04:25.38 | Nyle | i'll for with 16 the debian package |
| 04:26.34 | Doctor_Nick | kde4 more like kdeBORE |
| 04:26.37 | Doctor_Nick | bammo |
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| 04:34.57 | smAs_ | someone can help me with a problem i have ... a package gets installed via apt-get dist-upgrade and i don't know why ... so i want to find out what package pulls it in ... i did apt-cache depends `dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'` | grep <package-name> which works but i still don't know what package it is |
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| 04:35.58 | DeVilSoulBlacK | hi, i have a Hd 500GB that debian 4 r3 dont detect, any idea how detect ? on debian that HD ?? |
| 04:36.31 | markybob | DeVilSoulBlacK, try kmuto |
| 04:36.47 | DeVilSoulBlacK | what ist kmuto |
| 04:36.50 | markybob | !kmuto |
| 04:36.50 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 04:40.18 | DeVilSoulBlacK | thanks markybob for the tip |
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| 05:05.54 | adonikam | smAs_: use grep's -A or -B arguments? |
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| 05:29.07 | wd | for a regular two button wheel mouse xfree86 driver should be mouse and protocol IMPS/2 right? |
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| 05:29.58 | wd | because my mouse is just sitting there froze.. lol |
| 05:30.19 | wd | but it worked in console with gpm.. strange |
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| 05:32.37 | smAs | is there a way to sort the programs (by name A-Z) in Kmenu --> ??? KDE |
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| 05:32.53 | markybob | smAs, try #kde |
| 05:33.03 | smAs | :) thanks markybob |
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| 05:41.21 | rcbarnes | Does the Lenny install CD support creating and installing the / partition on JFS? If so, does that work even on encrypted LVM volumes? |
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| 05:43.12 | PiousMinion | Anyone else having major speed issues with security.debian.org? |
| 05:43.37 | markybob | PiousMinion, that's pretty normal |
| 05:44.11 | PiousMinion | well, that sucks. |
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| 05:47.18 | __ryan__ | can i do a fresh install of lenny while inside etch somehow? |
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| 05:47.26 | __ryan__ | i want to format it |
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| 05:48.22 | __ryan__ | (with no cdr) |
| 05:49.44 | PiousMinion | via a spare partition, maybe. hmm, no clue |
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| 05:50.16 | __ryan__ | well i have the xp partition i can keep the iso on |
| 05:51.03 | PiousMinion | use vmware to access the physical partition to install maybe? heh |
| 05:51.07 | SeveredCross | __ryan__: debootstrap |
| 05:51.07 | SeveredCross | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
| 05:52.00 | SeveredCross | Okay, now you're just getting complicated. |
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| 05:52.17 | PiousMinion | SeveredCross: he wants to install over his existing install. |
| 05:52.34 | PiousMinion | I think. |
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| 05:53.07 | SeveredCross | You'll need to resize your etch partiton to its minimum, create the new partition, create the filesystems, boot into the etch partition that's now mini-sized, debootstrap from it to the new filesystem/partition, reboot into the NEW system, remove the etch partition, resize the partition back to full size, etc. |
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| 05:53.42 | PiousMinion | oh damn |
| 05:53.59 | SeveredCross | PiousMinion: Well, that's the steps if you think about it. |
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| 05:54.18 | SeveredCross | If you boot into a Debian-based livecd, you may be able to debootstrap from the LiveCD. |
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| 05:54.23 | SeveredCross | Though I'm sketch on how that works. |
| 05:54.27 | __ryan__ | thanks SeveredCross |
| 05:54.29 | SeveredCross | Oh right, no CD-R. |
| 05:54.50 | __ryan__ | i take it ipods on disk mode can't be used to boot from huh? lol |
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| 05:55.43 | SeveredCross | Well. |
| 05:55.45 | SeveredCross | Probably not. |
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| 06:07.05 | __ryan__ | too bad you can't point the debian installer to another installation source |
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| 06:09.20 | mx | dos anyone know why i get a connection time out when i run the command dig gmail.com mx |
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| 06:09.49 | kadath | __ryan__: You have access to the console? |
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| 06:10.45 | __ryan__ | i have access to the whole thing i just broke a bunch of stuff and would prefer a clean install |
| 06:10.49 | kadath | mx: maybe because it should be gmail.google.com? |
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| 06:11.13 | kadath | just add a new entry to grub, pointing to the netboot kernel initrd |
| 06:11.13 | mx | let me try |
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| 06:11.42 | mx | same |
| 06:11.52 | __ryan__ | the netboot wont support my wifi card as far as i know |
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| 06:11.57 | kadath | you can also turn your swap into a partition and debootstrap it |
| 06:12.01 | __ryan__ | unless netboot allows a local source? |
| 06:12.03 | mx | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 06:12.03 | mx | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 06:12.07 | kadath | hmm |
| 06:12.23 | kadath | try querying a name server directly |
| 06:12.27 | __ryan__ | i guess i could use my swap partiton |
| 06:12.31 | __ryan__ | good idea |
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| 06:13.17 | kadath | mx: try querying the good names ervers directly |
| 06:13.30 | __ryan__ | i hate messing with grub blah |
| 06:13.30 | kadath | dig @216.239.36.10 gmail.google.com mx |
| 06:14.01 | mx | that worked |
| 06:14.10 | kadath | problem with your dns server than |
| 06:14.23 | mx | hmm |
| 06:14.24 | kadath | I would guess google's dns is probably fine :) |
| 06:14.29 | mx | haha |
| 06:14.35 | mx | i thought it was my side |
| 06:14.39 | mx | but i get an error |
| 06:14.51 | kadath | Can you query other sites? |
| 06:15.02 | kadath | check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:15.09 | mx | 2008-06-12 23:38:52 1K72vg-0000D3-8c == angel@gmail.com R=lookuphost defer (-1): host lookup did not complete |
| 06:15.28 | mx | let me check |
| 06:16.56 | mx | uh |
| 06:16.59 | mx | it only has two lines |
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| 06:17.07 | mx | search localdomain |
| 06:17.10 | mx | nameserver 85.17.96.69 |
| 06:17.13 | mx | opps |
| 06:17.15 | mx | oh well |
| 06:17.26 | mx | should I add my second name server? |
| 06:18.35 | kadath | yeah |
| 06:18.43 | kadath | make it the first entry though if it works |
| 06:19.05 | mx | ok |
| 06:19.18 | mx | jsut nameserver ##.##. |
| 06:19.23 | kadath | I can query that nameserver fine though |
| 06:19.23 | kadath | yeah |
| 06:19.25 | mx | ok |
| 06:19.30 | mx | grr |
| 06:19.30 | kadath | so I doubt that is your problem |
| 06:19.40 | mx | let me add the second one anwyays |
| 06:19.49 | mx | since the stupi direct admin ddint add it auto |
| 06:20.00 | kadath | yeah worth a try |
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| 06:20.19 | mx | wth |
| 06:20.26 | mx | thtas not even the right ip |
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| 06:21.20 | mx | how ca n that be? |
| 06:21.25 | mx | i never changed it |
| 06:21.26 | mx | grrr |
| 06:21.37 | mx | kadath |
| 06:21.48 | mx | can u try to lookup the domain anme with taht ip? |
| 06:21.53 | mx | see what domain u get? |
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| 06:22.56 | Andreas_A | /bin/sh: host: command not found |
| 06:22.59 | Andreas_A | :O |
| 06:23.14 | mx | OK |
| 06:23.21 | Andreas_A | :O nscache4.leaseweb.net |
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| 06:23.50 | mx | try this one |
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| 06:23.54 | mx | 85.17.133.7 |
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| 06:24.21 | Andreas_A | hosted-by |
| 06:24.34 | Andreas_A | mx: Is leaseweb good? |
| 06:24.42 | Andreas_A | Their prices seemed good. |
| 06:25.01 | mx | Andreas_A so far so good |
| 06:25.10 | mx | fast as hell |
| 06:25.12 | mx | and i get like |
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| 06:25.23 | mx | over 1.5 million requests per day |
| 06:25.33 | mx | n downtime so far |
| 06:25.45 | mx | 1 thing: slow at setting it up |
| 06:25.53 | Andreas_A | What package did you get= |
| 06:25.57 | mx | took them 4 days after paymentto set upthe box |
| 06:26.02 | mx | basic 43 euros |
| 06:26.18 | mx | 2tb bandwidth |
| 06:26.20 | mx | soo |
| 06:26.21 | Andreas_A | I dont mind them being slow at setting it up as long as it works as it should once I get access. |
| 06:26.26 | mx | yes |
| 06:26.32 | mx | also |
| 06:26.36 | Andreas_A | 4 days aint that bad. |
| 06:26.37 | mx | suport is slow ive heard |
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| 06:26.50 | mx | i mean it hasnt happned to be but once the server breaks |
| 06:26.56 | mx | they dont ahve 24h support |
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| 06:27.00 | mx | only office hours |
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| 06:27.12 | mx | so after changing my nameservers |
| 06:27.16 | mx | do i need to reboot? |
| 06:27.23 | mx | restart httpd? |
| 06:28.01 | mx | sorry i am a linux noob |
| 06:28.29 | Andreas_A | Have you tried restarting apache? |
| 06:28.33 | mx | no |
| 06:28.35 | mx | let me try taht |
| 06:28.54 | mx | hmm |
| 06:29.32 | mx | whats the command? |
| 06:30.20 | Andreas_A | apachectl restart |
| 06:30.23 | mx | ./etc/apache restart not woring |
| 06:30.36 | mx | thas it |
| 06:30.41 | mx | i got no messages just a line breka |
| 06:30.42 | mx | break |
| 06:30.44 | Andreas_A | find / -name 'apachectl' |
| 06:31.27 | mx | /usr/local/directadmin/custombuild/httpd-2.2.8/support/apachectl |
| 06:31.29 | mx | jesus |
| 06:31.34 | mx | cn u say long? |
| 06:31.42 | peterrooney | mx: alternately, apache -t (read the output) followed by /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 06:31.43 | mx | /usr/sbin/apachectl |
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| 06:32.06 | peterrooney | mx: shell tab completion makes it very short. |
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| 06:32.14 | mx | yeah :D |
| 06:32.17 | __ryan__ | ok, so what did i break that made all my gnome text turn into boxes? lol |
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| 06:33.11 | Andreas_A | I'm guessing for charset, but then again im not an expert. |
| 06:33.11 | mx | logged in as root |
| 06:33.13 | mx | and permission denied |
| 06:33.14 | mx | nice |
| 06:33.48 | __ryan__ | i suppose it could be a charset but i don't even remember messing with those |
| 06:35.09 | mx | bah |
| 06:35.09 | peterrooney | mx: execute permissions? |
| 06:35.11 | mx | still not working |
| 06:35.23 | mx | wouldnt know about that |
| 06:36.05 | __ryan__ | are there any charset packages? |
| 06:36.33 | __ryan__ | cause this is quite weird. |
| 06:37.01 | mx | bah |
| 06:37.05 | mx | it ahdnt saved the file |
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| 06:38.40 | Andreas_A | __ryan__: I used to get those boxes when using Firefox. |
| 06:38.48 | Andreas_A | Switching to Opera solved it for me at least. |
| 06:39.01 | __ryan__ | my whole gnome is boxes |
| 06:39.10 | Andreas_A | :O |
| 06:39.26 | Andreas_A | Do you have fonts and such in the right place? |
| 06:39.39 | __ryan__ | i must or X wouldn't start right |
| 06:40.06 | __ryan__ | i used to get x errors if there were no fonts |
| 06:40.31 | mx | duh |
| 06:40.35 | mx | restarted mysql by accident |
| 06:40.41 | __ryan__ | im going a dist upgrade to lenny right now, to see if it fixes it |
| 06:40.55 | __ryan__ | hopefully it picks up package i messed up |
| 06:42.13 | mx | yay |
| 06:42.13 | mx | fixed |
| 06:42.24 | mx | now got 21 mails |
| 06:42.29 | Andreas_A | :) |
| 06:42.41 | mx | i think when i restarted my server |
| 06:42.52 | mx | the seolve thing put some default ip |
| 06:43.01 | mx | that was 2 weeks ago :/ |
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| 06:44.08 | mx | NOW |
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| 06:44.13 | mx | thanks guys |
| 06:44.21 | mx | i ggota keep readling onlinux |
| 06:44.24 | mx | reading |
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| 06:44.49 | peterrooney | mx: tldp.org |
| 06:45.22 | mx | thanks |
| 06:45.50 | __ryan__ | brb |
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| 06:57.03 | tmroland | can anyone test and tell me if theres something wrong with domain assa-electronic.ro (www.assa-electronic.ro stopped working yesterday) ? pls |
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| 06:58.08 | __ryan__ | i think i might have found the problem, when i started gparted it through me a warning from pango saying the output may be ugly |
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| 06:58.18 | __ryan__ | i think that's my box problem |
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| 07:01.24 | tmroland | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:07.26 | eshat | Hi all ,... is there a way to set my console resolution to 1280x800 ??? |
| 07:08.34 | eshat | hello ??? |
| 07:09.48 | Andreas_A | tmroland: Dns-servers? |
| 07:09.50 | Andreas_A | # host www.assa-electronic.ro |
| 07:09.50 | Andreas_A | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 07:09.50 | Andreas_A | # |
| 07:09.51 | solid_liq | anyone know if there's a repository for Beryl stuff for debian sid? |
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| 07:11.08 | hark | compiz is already in debian |
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| 07:11.49 | streuner_ | !compiz |
| 07:11.49 | dpkg | compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 07:12.46 | solid_liq | or emerald maybe? |
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| 07:13.18 | solid_liq | streuner_: I'm looking for all the cool beryl window managers. I already have compiz working. Any idea how I can get them? Is that emerald now? |
| 07:13.44 | eshat | how to change console resolution to widscreen ? |
| 07:13.49 | eshat | !widescreen |
| 07:13.57 | solid_liq | !emerald |
| 07:14.03 | eshat | dpkg: widescreen |
| 07:14.03 | dpkg | eshat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 07:15.23 | yxa | hi i am trying out netboot and it's working so far. but instead of downloading all core packages from a mirror, can i preload them in my tftp server instead? |
| 07:15.40 | mx | sigh |
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| 07:16.01 | zgene | tmroland: Your name server in whois record is nameserver: dns.assa-electronic.ro 86.34.3.135 . Are you sure this is still up ? |
| 07:16.03 | mx | wehre could webalizer.conf could be if its not in /etc/ or /etc/webalizer/ |
| 07:16.19 | __ryan__ | fixed it :D had to reinstall pango, no more boxes |
| 07:17.18 | Doctor_Nick | just probably |
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| 07:19.55 | peterrooney | yxa: probably, but there's a ssh/scp client available in the netinstall cd ('load additional installer components') |
| 07:22.54 | mx | anyone? |
| 07:23.44 | __ryan__ | try 'locate webalizer.conf' |
| 07:23.55 | __ryan__ | if it complains run updatedb first |
| 07:24.03 | mx | ij |
| 07:24.15 | mx | black |
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| 07:24.31 | mx | only webalzier.pp |
| 07:24.34 | mx | *blank |
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| 07:24.59 | __ryan__ | did you do updatedb first? |
| 07:25.09 | __ryan__ | and are you running it as root? |
| 07:25.31 | mx | es |
| 07:25.32 | mx | yes |
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| 07:26.08 | mx | i have no webalizer.conf! |
| 07:26.09 | yxa | peterrooney i'm not using any cd. pure pxe |
| 07:26.40 | __ryan__ | lol |
| 07:27.01 | __ryan__ | and it still works? |
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| 07:27.18 | Prathi | hai |
| 07:27.20 | mx | yeah |
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| 07:27.24 | mx | it reports |
| 07:27.43 | mx | do i ahve to brose ftp |
| 07:27.44 | mx | to view it |
| 07:27.55 | mx | i think the version i installed is messed up |
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| 07:30.05 | yxa | sorry for repeat. i am trying out pxe netboot and it's working so far. but instead of downloading all core packages from a mirror, can i preload them in my tftp server instead? |
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| 07:32.12 | mx | gah |
| 07:32.15 | Jemt | Greetz. I want to hold back new kernel images - how do I do that? "dpkg --get-selections" displays to kernel entries (linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686). I want to make sure that NO kernel images are install - that also includes newer kernel images (ie 2.6.19) if such are released into the Stable repository. How do I ignore ALL kernel images? Something like this? "echo linux-image* hold | dpkg --set-select |
| 07:32.15 | Jemt | ions" |
| 07:32.43 | SeveredCross | Jemt: Google for "apt pinning" |
| 07:32.49 | Jemt | Thanks, SeveredCross |
| 07:33.14 | SeveredCross | I don't really know the ins and outs of doing it with dpkg --set-select, but it's easy with apt pinning. |
| 07:33.31 | Jemt | SeveredCross: Oh, that's not an option if it is additional software |
| 07:33.36 | SeveredCross | Uh, it's not. |
| 07:33.36 | Jemt | It should be done using apt-get |
| 07:33.39 | Jemt | OKay :) |
| 07:33.40 | SeveredCross | apt pinning is in apt. |
| 07:33.40 | apt | ...but pinning is already something else... |
| 07:33.46 | SeveredCross | apt_: Pinning? |
| 07:33.50 | SeveredCross | apt_: Pinning |
| 07:33.55 | SeveredCross | Dammit bot, how do I make you speak! |
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| 07:34.02 | SeveredCross | apt_, what is pinning? |
| 07:34.12 | Jemt | Hehe |
| 07:34.14 | SeveredCross | Ah, |
| 07:34.16 | hark | Jemt: just remove the linux-image metapackage |
| 07:34.29 | SeveredCross | Jemt: Try this: /msg apt_ literal pinning for a whole lot of info. |
| 07:34.40 | nirupama | any good document on configuring tv tuner |
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| 07:34.48 | Jemt | hark: Okay? What would that do ? Woun't new Linux Images show up when I do "apt-get upgrade" ? |
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| 07:35.00 | Jemt | Thanks, SeveredCross . Will try that :) |
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| 07:35.31 | SeveredCross | Set the pin with a very high priority. |
| 07:35.38 | SeveredCross | I usually use 1001 for packages I don't want upgrade. |
| 07:35.40 | Jemt | Won't* |
| 07:35.41 | SeveredCross | *upgraded. |
| 07:35.49 | Jemt | Okay, I see |
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| 07:36.03 | SeveredCross | 1001 will in actuality make apt not touch the package for upgrades or downgrades from the version you specify IIRC. |
| 07:36.07 | SeveredCross | apt_preferences will tell you. |
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| 07:36.22 | Jemt | I'll look into it :) |
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| 07:36.31 | SeveredCross | Okay, time for sleep. |
| 07:36.37 | Jemt | Nighty, SeveredCross :) |
| 07:36.39 | Jemt | Thanks again |
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| 07:38.10 | __ryan__ | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /install dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4.0.4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.17_i386.deb <--has anyone experienced this problem ? |
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| 07:40.46 | __ryan__ | cp: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < in the log |
| 07:40.50 | Jemt | hark: What happens if I remove the meta package (kernel) ? |
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| 07:41.45 | dutchfish | hi, hwclock --debug put out: hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: file does not exist or failed to access (translated) what can cause this? |
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| 07:42.36 | dutchfish | and where went tzconfig in latest lenny? |
| 07:44.34 | cydork | !tzconfig |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 07:47.16 | nirupama | how to set a tv tuner |
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| 07:48.27 | dutchfish | cydork, there is no no tzconfig in lenny atm i am afraid |
| 07:48.54 | hark | Jemt: you won't get updates for kernels with a greater version number than the one is presently installed |
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| 07:49.02 | hark | dutchfish: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:49.25 | dutchfish | hark, and i have openntpd installed |
| 07:49.38 | dutchfish | hark, because of missing ntp |
| 07:49.45 | Jemt | hark: Oh, fancy. Great. Thanks :D |
| 07:49.46 | hark | Jemt: the metapackage depends on the latest available kernel |
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| 07:50.15 | Jemt | hark: Ah, I see. That makes sense. That's great. Thank you :) |
| 07:50.19 | hark | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 07:50.42 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 07:50.43 | dutchfish | hark, still time is 2 hours ahead (with correct timezone) after running dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:51.14 | Jemt | Ah, depends - cool feature |
| 07:51.32 | dutchfish | hark, openntpd is synchronizing but that does not solve this problem |
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| 07:51.59 | hark | dutchfish: is your system clock set to UTC? |
| 07:52.10 | dutchfish | hark, no local time |
| 07:52.28 | hark | dutchfish: edit /etc/default/rcS and set UTC to no |
| 07:52.40 | dutchfish | hark, i did, hold on i check again |
| 07:53.07 | Jemt | Hm, does dpkg default to "unstable" or something like that when one writes: /msg dpkg linux-image-2.6-686 ? It states it depends on 2.6.25 |
| 07:53.22 | dutchfish | harkl, yup utc=no already |
| 07:53.43 | hark | Jemt: yes, put an etch or stable after it |
| 07:53.53 | Jemt | Okay, important to remember :) |
| 07:53.58 | Jemt | Thanks again :D |
| 07:54.18 | dutchfish | hark, mmm... time seams a mess in lenny at the moment (never had this trouble) |
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| 07:54.57 | dutchfish | hark, i am mostly worried about -> hwclock --debug put out: hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: file does not exist or failed to access (translated) what can cause this? |
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| 07:55.35 | hark | what happened to ntp in lenny? |
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| 07:55.58 | dutchfish | hark, its the same in 2.6.24(latest stock debian) & 2.6.25-6 & 2.6.26-rc6 |
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| 07:56.19 | dutchfish | hark, it went to openntpd |
| 07:56.34 | dutchfish | hark, there is no ntp anymore |
| 07:57.05 | dutchfish | hark, but openntpd is working at least |
| 07:57.36 | dutchfish | hark, i am confused now, i find this pretty important |
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| 07:58.46 | dutchfish | hark, is there any other place where localeties are stored regarding timezone so i could edit this manually? |
| 07:59.19 | hark | dutchfish: modprobe rtc do anything? |
| 08:00.10 | dutchfish | hark, time-admin also reports cant synchronize because there is no ntp service installed, but it is |
| 08:00.31 | dutchfish | hark, FATAL: Module rtc not found. |
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| 08:01.14 | dutchfish | hark, hold on i reboot in lennys curent brb |
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| 08:05.38 | hark | hmm, removed due to licensing concerns |
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| 08:07.18 | akio | how do i sleep network-manager manually? |
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| 08:08.09 | Jemt | sleep ? |
| 08:08.32 | dutchfish | hark, funny after a reboot hwclock is fine and time is syncing in the right time zone ;) |
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| 08:09.06 | dutchfish | hark, thank you for help |
| 08:09.41 | akio | im trying to throw my chip into monitor mode |
| 08:10.23 | akio | but when i iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor it gives me device or resource busy |
| 08:10.32 | akio | i figure network manager is hosing it |
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| 08:11.13 | akio | update: all i had to do was disable wireless inside of the applet |
| 08:11.41 | Jemt | Okay, I don't know much about that. Your question just sounded wierd in my ears |
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| 08:12.26 | hark | dutchfish: heh, i guess it was just the timezone then :) |
| 08:12.33 | dutchfish | hark, in all the kernels CONFIG_RTC_INTF_PROC=y mmm... |
| 08:13.09 | dutchfish | hark, i am sure not, unless it is stored elswhere also (wich i dont know) |
| 08:13.18 | hark | dutchfish: CONFIG_RTC=m |
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| 08:13.55 | akio | bam, it works |
| 08:14.22 | dutchfish | hark, maybe CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set |
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| 08:15.17 | dutchfish | hark, gone delve deeper into this, but thanks for your help |
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| 08:16.05 | hark | dutchfish: is hwclock --debug OK now? |
| 08:17.16 | dutchfish | hark, yes, only time-admin is seriuously confused about missing ntp services and does not recognize openntpd (yet) this is a bug |
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| 08:18.58 | dutchfish | hark, look at this /dev/rtc does not have interrupt functions. Waiting in loop for time from /dev/rtc to change (next line->)...got clock tick (next line->) Time read from Hardware Clock: 2008/06/13 10:18:06 |
| 08:19.54 | dutchfish | hark, so CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set (this is messing it up) |
| 08:20.25 | dutchfish | hark, it works (kind off) but it was hacked arround |
| 08:20.36 | dutchfish | hark, not good |
| 08:21.05 | dutchfish | hark, is will file those 2 minors later on this day |
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| 08:21.50 | dutchfish | s/is/i |
| 08:22.15 | dutchfish | hark, thx again |
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| 08:27.23 | Doctor_Nick | Can FreeBSD switch kernels during runtime? |
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| 08:29.06 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.49 | Nyle | Doctor_Nick, #freebsd |
| 08:30.13 | nevyn | Nyle: it's ontopic |
| 08:30.35 | Doctor_Nick | debian freebsd :) |
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| 08:36.42 | freedommatters | Hi people. We are making a live distro. I want to rename it manually . For example, I am making on Debian, the live distro will be with the name DEBIAN, But I want my own name. Can I do this ? If yes how ? Please do suggest us some thing . |
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| 08:37.18 | ltlekvar | Is the correct abbreviation for "colonel" actually "coln"? |
| 08:37.24 | freedommatters | yogi_ |
| 08:37.32 | freedommatters | yogi_: |
| 08:37.36 | freedommatters | yogi_: Hi people. We are making a live distro. I want to rename it manually . For example, I am making on Debian, the live distro will be with the name DEBIAN, But I want my own name. Can I do this ? If yes how ? Please do suggest us some thing |
| 08:38.02 | ltlekvar | I've been promoted, apparently, and I'd like to ensure I spell that promotion correctly. This seems like an accuracy-valuing place. |
| 08:38.04 | Doctor_Nick | your irc is broken |
| 08:38.11 | Andreas_A | ltlekvar: col |
| 08:38.16 | Doctor_Nick | make it not broken |
| 08:38.19 | Doctor_Nick | tia |
| 08:38.22 | ColLekvar | THank you. |
| 08:38.27 | freedommatters | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.50 | Doctor_Nick | ITS BROKEN |
| 08:38.54 | Doctor_Nick | DISCONNECT YOUR COMPUTER |
| 08:38.58 | freedommatters | could any one of u suggest me |
| 08:39.12 | yure | freedommatters, not with that attitude |
| 08:39.12 | Andreas_A | freedommatters: I dont think they saw you the first time, please paste it one more time. |
| 08:39.50 | freedommatters | Opps .. sorry !! |
| 08:40.06 | freedommatters | yep I will do it |
| 08:40.13 | freedommatters | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.09 | yure | is this a joke? |
| 08:41.35 | freedommatters | I am sorry @yure |
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| 08:41.54 | ColLekvar | Andreas_A: You will be well rewarded in the new upcoming glorious order. |
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| 08:42.40 | Andreas_A | :O |
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| 08:46.24 | freedommatters | can some one help me in making live cd please . I am almost done but ... |
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| 08:50.18 | Doctor_Nick | hmm |
| 08:50.53 | Doctor_Nick | aw, he left |
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| 08:55.53 | Assid | okay remote debian box.. anyone know how to make sure that when its time to fsck.. it doesnt ask for room password? |
| 08:55.55 | Assid | err root |
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| 09:00.08 | themill | Assid: in /etc/default/rcS set FSCKFIX=yes (I think that's what you're looking for) |
| 09:01.04 | Assid | themill: so it wont ask for a root password or anything henceforth ? |
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| 09:02.09 | themill | Assid: aiui, instead of dropping to a root shell on fsck error, it will automatically fix errors. |
| 09:02.29 | Assid | kudos |
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| 09:02.54 | Assid | thanks themill |
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| 09:03.43 | themill | Assid: no worries. |
| 09:05.08 | Assid | i should put it in all my production boxes in case.. they are all remote anyways |
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| 09:08.14 | ma3x | how do i do sleep 10 (10 times) instead of typing sleep 10 && sleep 10 && sleep 10 ........ |
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| 09:09.12 | simonrvn | why not just do sleep 100 ? |
| 09:09.28 | ma3x | simonrvn: because after that command i tend to put something else |
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| 09:09.51 | ma3x | like sleep 10 && iwlist scanning (to repeat that every 10 secs) |
| 09:10.09 | simonrvn | while loop it |
| 09:10.25 | ma3x | how? |
| 09:10.27 | hark | use watch |
| 09:10.43 | simonrvn | or thatl, easier |
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| 09:11.19 | simonrvn | thanks hark for reminding him of a command he uses fairly often |
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| 09:13.03 | wd | i have sarge, is it safe for me to use etch conky.deb or should i just dl conky.tar from conky? |
| 09:13.53 | simonrvn | upgrade to etch first |
| 09:13.58 | wd | it's not in sarge/sarge backports but i see it in etch. |
| 09:14.07 | simonrvn | sarge isn't supported anymore |
| 09:14.15 | wd | simonrvn: can't laptop won't wont allow very low resource. |
| 09:14.57 | simonrvn | make a backport then. /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; but change it to etch instead of unstable/sid |
| 09:14.57 | hark | liable: got the URL's back? ;) |
| 09:15.01 | wd | simonrvn: i tried to get etch and it gave me 2.6 kernel, udev and all that. |
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| 09:15.15 | wd | oh |
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| 09:16.25 | wd | simonrvn: i made a sarge backport in sources.list.. but i'm on sarge backport website and searched and see conky for etch 1.4.... can i use/dl that .deb? |
| 09:16.48 | wd | simonrvn: then dpgk it? |
| 09:16.53 | liable | hark: what do you mean? |
| 09:17.14 | hark | liable: the awesomebar |
| 09:17.19 | liable | no :( |
| 09:17.49 | liable | confuzzlebar |
| 09:17.54 | hark | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=581753&cid=23770375 |
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| 09:18.35 | q-tip | Anybody got a review on the HP tape librarys and debian (msl2024) ? |
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| 09:19.02 | liable | hark: danke, i'll give that a whirl |
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| 09:20.37 | simonrvn | wd: what do you mean you did a sarge backport in sources.list? |
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| 09:24.14 | liable | still no urls in there. wtf is wrong with the stupid thing. |
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| 09:24.41 | __ryan__ | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. <---i'm trying to generate a menu.1st in a chrooted debootstrap environment, any ideas? |
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| 09:33.23 | psypointer | hi |
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| 09:33.38 | psypointer | is it possible to restart the computer if an network installation with preseed caused an error? |
| 09:34.38 | psypointer | i've got problems with network timeouts here when installing many computer and simply restarting the installation helps. but it should be headless and nobody should press the reset button |
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| 09:46.39 | ab3l | hi wheredo i can find a boot floppy / cd image that uses SYSLINUX and that allows me to install debian4r3? |
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| 09:47.01 | ab3l | practically booting directly i receive an error system type 00 |
| 09:47.16 | ab3l | but i noticed boot disks with syslinux boot successfully on my sys |
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| 09:50.13 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 09:50.22 | akio | ? |
| 09:50.32 | man_in_shack | is there a sun-java-6 browser plugin in unstable/amd64? |
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| 09:57.56 | themill | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg java amd64 |
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| 09:58.58 | man_in_shack | i've been searching apt, but i wasn't sure if i was searching correctly :P |
| 09:59.03 | man_in_shack | thanks though |
| 10:00.09 | man_in_shack | i already have nspluginwrapper installed for flashplugin-nonfree :) |
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| 10:02.35 | __ryan__ | everytime i exit X my system freezes right up |
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| 10:02.55 | man_in_shack | __ryan__, videocard and driver version? |
| 10:03.04 | nirupama | how to get information on tv tuner |
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| 10:03.14 | __ryan__ | i945 chip, 1810 driver |
| 10:03.22 | __ryan__ | has worked fine in previous releases |
| 10:03.30 | man_in_shack | so what did you change? |
| 10:03.51 | __ryan__ | i just installed lenny |
| 10:04.04 | __ryan__ | on a small partition with debootstrap |
| 10:04.21 | __ryan__ | x loads fine, runs fine..just crashes my system on exit |
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| 10:06.42 | TiMiDo | hey how do i start up gnome with startx? |
| 10:06.46 | TiMiDo | startx gnome-session? |
| 10:07.03 | themolester | what is the average amount of time for a package (major one, such as the new postgresql) to get brought from unstable to testing? |
| 10:07.34 | themolester | I'm trying to decide if the bugfix that is included is worth finding a backported deb, or if i should just wait |
| 10:09.16 | __ryan__ | TiMiDo: does /usr/bin/gdm run? |
| 10:09.24 | __ryan__ | or just gdm |
| 10:12.53 | rvsjoen | isnt that around a 1-2 weeks ? |
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| 10:14.26 | tkr | how to install an older version of package X? |
| 10:14.56 | streuner_ | tkr: dpkg -i <package> |
| 10:15.14 | tkr | possible via apt-get ? |
| 10:15.18 | streuner_ | tkr: what package is that? |
| 10:15.24 | streuner_ | nope |
| 10:16.09 | tkr | subversion .. something wrong with the ssl connect after apt-get upgrade |
| 10:16.20 | streuner_ | tkr: apt is the thing which manage to get the packages to your system, dpkg is the tool which manipulate and install them... |
| 10:16.41 | tkr | ok. installing from apt cache archives |
| 10:16.54 | streuner_ | tkr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:17.14 | tkr | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:17.27 | streuner_ | tkr: check out BTS then |
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| 10:17.41 | __ryan__ | well that was weird irssi just froze :/ |
| 10:17.42 | tkr | bts? |
| 10:17.48 | streuner_ | !bts |
| 10:17.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 10:18.03 | tkr | ah. |
| 10:18.14 | streuner_ | and read the last sentence of the factoid :-) |
| 10:18.22 | themill | tkr: are you connecting using svn+ssh:// or just with svn:// |
| 10:18.27 | tkr | https |
| 10:19.42 | mhymn | hi, where is the config file of conky? there is no ".conkyrc" in home directory |
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| 10:19.49 | tkr | lenny/sid btw, if anyone has ran to same problem. |
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| 10:21.14 | rvsjoen | mhymn : /etc ? |
| 10:21.36 | rvsjoen | it will also read ~/.conkyrc if it exists |
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| 10:23.01 | __ryan__ | sup Nyle |
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| 10:24.04 | mhymn | sorry for the interruption, the line dropped |
| 10:24.30 | mhymn | where is the config file of conky? there is no ".conkyrc" in home directory |
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| 10:24.47 | __ryan__ | what package does 'killall' come in? |
| 10:24.51 | __ryan__ | i don't even have that |
| 10:25.20 | wols | !tell __ryan__ about search |
| 10:27.09 | tkr | about the subversion problem. downgraded to libsvn1 and subversion to 1.4.6dfsg1-3 |
| 10:27.12 | tkr | now works. |
| 10:27.15 | __ryan__ | perfect, thanks wasn't aware of that one |
| 10:27.31 | __ryan__ | maybe my system wont crash when i close X now |
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| 10:29.09 | __ryan__ | nice, it didn't crash..guess it was the lack of that psmisc package |
| 10:30.09 | wols | mhymn: /etc and of course sometimes ~ but config files are never mandatory. could be there is none, in whcih case you have to create it yourself |
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| 10:31.17 | __ryan__ | they should make that psmisc package apart of the debootstrap. |
| 10:32.22 | magnets^^ | Anyone had any success installing debian (via the 40mb CD net install) on VMware? The installer doesn't detect DHCP on my network, and after manually setting the network details the mirrors won't work |
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| 10:33.41 | __ryan__ | sounds like an issue with vmware not the debian installer |
| 10:34.25 | magnets^^ | i presume the installer doesn't have a driver to support the VMware network card? |
| 10:35.10 | Bushmills | magnets^^: vmware emulates a 3com card, that's a pretty common one |
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| 10:35.28 | Bushmills | i'd not be surprised if the installer did support it |
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| 10:36.09 | mhymn | wols: nothing in /etc and ~ directories about conky, i'm afraid there should be a config file because conky works well, i cant change those settings though |
| 10:36.55 | Bushmills | mhymn: /etc/conky/conky.conf |
| 10:37.18 | Bushmills | mhymn: /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conky.conf.gz |
| 10:38.32 | Bushmills | mhymn: http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=eye+specialists&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 10:38.56 | __ryan__ | ha |
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| 10:40.21 | mhymn | Bushmills: there is no /etc/conky, and im not talking about examples though! thanks for the advice!!! |
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| 10:40.42 | Bushmills | mhymn: what branch of debian? |
| 10:40.49 | mhymn | etch |
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| 10:41.08 | Bushmills | mhymn: dpkg -l | grep conky ? |
| 10:41.40 | mhymn | Bushmills: 1.4.4-1 |
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| 10:45.16 | Bushmills | mhymn: right. not /etc/.. in etch conky. i'm sorry about the eye specialist. |
| 10:45.30 | mhymn | Bushmills: ok, np |
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| 10:46.08 | Bushmills | try /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz |
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| 10:46.53 | wols | mhymn:didn't you listen: there doesn't need to be ANY config file. and the one in your ~ would be a dotfile anyways |
| 10:48.07 | mhymn | wols: yeah, thanks, i saw what you meantioned, i want to know how does conky works where there is no config file, and ok i'll create on myself |
| 10:48.50 | wols | there are defaults compiled in which are used |
| 10:48.53 | mhymn | s/on/it |
| 10:49.28 | mhymn | OK |
| 10:49.34 | mhymn | thanks wols |
| 10:49.41 | mhymn | thanks Bushmills :-) |
| 10:49.46 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 10:51.06 | Bushmills | seems i should make it a rule to ask for package versions before saying anyrthing about them. |
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| 10:52.47 | Gungle | I am having trouble stopping fork bombs from crashing my system. My /etc/security/limits.conf has this line root hard nproc 500 What am I doing wrong? |
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| 10:54.16 | Bushmills | Gungle: that seems to limit the processes for root only, not for anybody |
| 10:54.38 | Gungle | Bushmills: yes, but I executed the fork bomb as root |
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| 10:56.03 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 10:57.56 | Zenox | I got loads of these "dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to X.X.X.X port 67" messages in the logs. I don't recognize the IP (it's not any of the DNS servers I'm using either). What could it be? |
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| 10:58.46 | wols | Zenox: WLAN? are you a dhcp server? |
| 10:58.58 | wols | is the IP in your subnet? |
| 10:59.15 | Bushmills | Using pam_limits: " It does not impose any limits on the root account." |
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| 11:00.18 | techmago | Hi all! Running Lenny I recently (about 2 days ago) got a problem with xrandr and my laptop's internal display (IBM X31, Radeon Mobility M6, ati/radeon driver). |
| 11:00.31 | techmago | It used to work perfectly, but now it says "xrandr: cannot find crtc for output LVDS" when I try to turn it on with "xrandr --auto" |
| 11:00.34 | Zenox | wols: No WLAN there. I got a dhcp server (for giving IP's to LAN) on the computer getting those messages |
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| 11:01.16 | Zenox | wols: IP isn't on my subnet either |
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| 11:02.07 | psilocyb1n | so, again, i'm going to ask about that "applications" menu in gnome. i made a test user, logged in, but even new user doesn't see anything in the menu, e.g. it doesn't work. so my setup is fucked up somehow, but i don't know where to look for. /usr/share/ XXX something? |
| 11:02.12 | Bushmills | Zenox: when a DHCP request ist made, the NIC doesn't have its definite ip address yet. |
| 11:02.43 | Bushmills | Zenox: it will only obtain it as result of the request. therefore you may not recognize it the moment the request takes plae. |
| 11:03.00 | techmago | I have no idea what update caused it, but the xorg-ati driver didn't change in testing for at least 2 weeks. |
| 11:03.17 | man_in_shack | is it possible to use nspluginwrapper with sun's java plugin? |
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| 11:04.57 | Zenox | Bushmills: Hmm, but the request goes from eth0 (the dhcp server) to an unknown IP address somewhere on the internet? |
| 11:05.08 | Bushmills | Zenox: you could filter traffic for port 67 access, look and identify the NIC through its MAC |
| 11:05.17 | petemc | dhcp requests arent routable |
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| 11:05.29 | infinity0 | how come compiz-emerald isn't part of debian lenny? |
| 11:05.31 | Zenox | petemc: that's true hmm |
| 11:05.38 | Bushmills | Zenox: dhcp requests are broadcasts |
| 11:05.56 | Bushmills | and they're not broadcast to all hosts in the internet |
| 11:06.19 | __ryan__ | just watch dhclient for an example.. |
| 11:07.21 | Zenox | Bushmills: yes.. but the IP isn't 255.255.255.255, and i thought that was weird |
| 11:08.13 | Zenox | Bushmills: another thing i find strange is that i don't have /var/log/sshd* at all.. where is sshd writing it's logs nowadays (long time since i checked em)? |
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| 11:08.26 | Bushmills | Zenox: that would be an example of a broadcast address - used as destination. the bradcasting NIC doesn't use a broadcast address as source |
| 11:08.49 | petemc | you get requests from mac addresses, then dhcpinforms from ips |
| 11:08.52 | Bushmills | Zenox: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:09.56 | __ryan__ | 830kb/sec from the main debian ftp, nice |
| 11:10.13 | Zenox | Bushmills: thanks.. i shouldn't be worried about the dhcprequest logs that goes to some weird IP address then? :) |
| 11:10.28 | DimmuR | can anyone point me what could be reason of getting "Filesystem panic (dev sdb5) clusters badly computed" (i have access to files as readonly, no write even for root) ? |
| 11:10.37 | Bushmills | Zenox: no, i wouldn't be. look at the next few lines, there the reply comes |
| 11:10.39 | __ryan__ | Zenox: mine goes to 255.255.255.255 as well |
| 11:10.50 | __ryan__ | as well as most peoples.. |
| 11:11.58 | Zenox | __ryan__: it doesn't go to 255.255.255.255, it goes to an IP address (that exists on the internet even) |
| 11:12.10 | __ryan__ | what does it start with? |
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| 11:12.35 | Zenox | __ryan__: 62.20. |
| 11:12.49 | __ryan__ | does it end with 255 though? |
| 11:13.02 | Zenox | no |
| 11:13.09 | __ryan__ | well that's a little strange then |
| 11:13.13 | telmich | good evening |
| 11:13.34 | __ryan__ | sounds like a dyndns thing maybe? |
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| 11:13.53 | Zenox | hmm, maybe! should check that out.. |
| 11:13.57 | __ryan__ | did you look the ip up Zenox |
| 11:14.05 | telmich | I tried setting APT::Default-Release "lenny";, but then apt does not notice it and wants to dist-upgrade to unstable; using APT::Default-Release "testing"; works |
| 11:14.08 | __ryan__ | just type /dns ip |
| 11:14.21 | __ryan__ | well depending on what client |
| 11:14.23 | telmich | now my question is, can't I somehow tell apt to use lenny instead of testing? |
| 11:14.33 | man_in_shack | wonders how well gcjwebplugin works |
| 11:14.48 | telmich | I know that they are currently the same, but I want to continue tracking lenny, when it gets stable |
| 11:14.55 | Zenox | __ryan__: irssi.. didnt have dns |
| 11:14.58 | psilocyb1n | so, any hints about gnome menu? |
| 11:14.59 | petemc | telmich: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:14.59 | ArthurArchnix | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:15.09 | ArthurArchnix | blows gun, reholsters |
| 11:15.17 | __ryan__ | well just type ip lookup in google.. |
| 11:15.26 | telmich | petemc: I've deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main in there |
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| 11:15.30 | __ryan__ | any of the results will work |
| 11:15.34 | petemc | telmich: you need more |
| 11:15.54 | telmich | petemc: and deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ unstable main for the packages I want to upgrade to unstable |
| 11:16.05 | man_in_shack | :| |
| 11:16.15 | telmich | *manread* |
| 11:16.19 | petemc | telmich: well, if you want to run lenny, having unstable in your sources.list isnt the right way to go about it |
| 11:16.22 | man_in_shack | telmich, if it's already there, it's not "when i want to", it's "now" |
| 11:16.55 | __ryan__ | does the version always come back lenny/sid after a new lenny install? |
| 11:17.09 | telmich | petemc: actually, how should I otherwise do apt-get -t unstable install php5? |
| 11:17.47 | telmich | read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html, chapter 3.8 How to keep a mixed system |
| 11:18.00 | Bushmills | Zenox: is it your DSL router, honouring that request? |
| 11:18.10 | telmich | "For that to work, though, you need at least one APT source line in your /etc/apt/sources.list for the distribution you want the package from, and the package must exist on that source." |
| 11:18.11 | ArthurArchnix | telmich: There's a how-to on the debian forums about enabling testing repos in sarge. It's all about editing your /etc/apt/sources preferences. It still applies, just change the names and such. |
| 11:18.25 | telmich | ArthurArchnix: ok, thanks |
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| 11:18.33 | themill | telmich: the question is why would you want to |
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| 11:18.43 | telmich | themill: because php5 is broken |
| 11:18.49 | telmich | themill: in testing, in stable |
| 11:18.57 | themill | telmich: and it's less broken in sid? |
| 11:19.09 | man_in_shack | themill, i had to install a package from testing a while ago. it's since been fixed in unstable :) |
| 11:19.20 | telmich | themill: that's what i want to test; see bug #485413 |
| 11:19.27 | Bushmills | or .. maybe .. dsl router configured as modem (i.e. pppoe passthrough), and your linux box does the pppoe part (that's where yur dhcp server runs on)? |
| 11:20.14 | Zenox | Bushmills: yea, that last option, it's my linux box that does all that work |
| 11:20.29 | __ryan__ | Zenox: just lookup the ip |
| 11:20.35 | __ryan__ | 10 seconds you'll have an answer |
| 11:20.57 | Bushmills | Zenox: ah, ok. then that's possibly just a net neighbours of yours, and your machine not filtering all the noise on dsl |
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| 11:21.42 | Zenox | __ryan__: i've looked it up, doesnt recognize it hmm |
| 11:22.24 | man_in_shack | ok, time to install 32bit iceweasel |
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| 11:23.42 | Bushmills | Zenox: you could try to provide him a boot kernel :) |
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| 11:24.09 | Zenox | Bushmills: yea that would be a good idea :P |
| 11:24.24 | __ryan__ | anyone get a hald error while upgrading it? it's saying 'failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: connection refused |
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| 11:24.51 | Orion_X11 | Is it possible to install 2 wireless cards with ndiswrapper in the same machine and switch between then? I have done it here, but only one card turns during the boot. Although ndiswrapper says that: driver installed and hardware presente for both of them > RT8180 and RT61 |
| 11:24.54 | foobar8 | just to reassure myself: it is still not possible to check a mounted ext2/ext3 filesystem / the man page of e2fsck is still correct ? |
| 11:27.25 | Orion_X11 | Help? |
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| 11:28.22 | __ryan__ | Orion_X11: of course you can |
| 11:28.33 | __ryan__ | you just cant have them loaded at the same time |
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| 11:29.36 | __ryan__ | use 1 driver at a time, when you wanna switch do ndiswrapper -r driver ; ndiswrapper -i newdriver ; rmmod ndiswrapper ; modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 11:29.40 | __ryan__ | should work fine |
| 11:30.12 | telmich | nice, in the forum is exactly written what I've here with pinning, only that a=stable is set there |
| 11:30.12 | __ryan__ | not sure if there's a better way to do that but i'm sure that would work |
| 11:30.20 | trifler | Orion_X11: Just a question why two cards? |
| 11:30.32 | __ryan__ | brb |
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| 11:31.05 | Zenox | Bushmills / __ryan__: it could some dhcprequest for updating the ip as i'm running a dynamic one right now as well. The IP goes to some RIPE Network Coordination Centre, so hmm, maybe |
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| 11:31.44 | telmich | and from sources.list(5) it does not look like I can achieve what I want only with sources.list |
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| 11:32.10 | Bushmills | Zenox: the ip is on telia, just as you are |
| 11:32.12 | Orion_X11 | trifler: because one of them isn't working properly and I want to get rid of it, but I need to be connected to the net to install the new one. After having set up it I will remove the old from the slot :-) |
| 11:32.33 | trifler | Orion_X11: i see :) |
| 11:33.58 | Orion_X11 | ryan. I will try that way to see what happens |
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| 11:35.02 | Orion_X11 | ryan: how to use tab for completing your name here? <----rya > do not work |
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| 11:35.19 | Zenox | Bushmills: ah okay. the ip doesn't look the same as mine at all.. mine starts with 81.233 and that one is starting with 62.20.. |
| 11:35.42 | Zenox | Bushmills: but could be some neighbouring spam anyway i suppose :P |
| 11:35.57 | Bushmills | i checked both before i suggested that it could be a net neighbour |
| 11:36.55 | Zenox | Bushmills: shouldn't be much to be worried about then i suppose puh.. thanks alot for all your help, most appreciated :) |
| 11:37.22 | Bushmills | Zenox: nah. but there is one thing you should be: evidently you don't run a firewall |
| 11:37.40 | Bushmills | otherwise, the port 67 request shouldn't have come through |
| 11:38.17 | Bushmills | depending on what services you run on that machine, you might want to block access to them |
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| 11:39.03 | ASIRIneiluj | hi |
| 11:39.52 | ASIRIneiluj | is there a kde4 repository for debian that would be more up to date than experimental ? |
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| 11:40.11 | ASIRIneiluj | last kde-4.1 bet or even nighly svn builds |
| 11:40.14 | ASIRIneiluj | ? |
| 11:40.33 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, experimental has the latest kde4.1 beta |
| 11:41.01 | telmich | heeeeeey, I found my APT::Default-Release testing vs. lenny problem in http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-01/msg01648.html |
| 11:41.15 | ASIRIneiluj | defrysk: oh ? |
| 11:41.37 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, its uloaded there by kde folks themselves |
| 11:41.43 | ASIRIneiluj | I was told the latest beta is 4.0.82 and it seems experimental only has 4.0.80 |
| 11:41.56 | ASIRIneiluj | ok, then I must be mistaken |
| 11:42.03 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, thatIS kde4.1 beta |
| 11:42.15 | ASIRIneiluj | and what about nightly builds ? |
| 11:42.19 | defrysk | ooh i see |
| 11:42.23 | ASIRIneiluj | does that exist ? |
| 11:42.23 | defrysk | sorry |
| 11:42.42 | defrysk | I did not know there was a later beta |
| 11:42.51 | telmich | hmpf, debian seems to be inconsistent: "What I found was that some parts of the |
| 11:42.51 | telmich | package system use the code names in the data files and other parts |
| 11:42.52 | telmich | use release names. " |
| 11:42.57 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, you should check with kde.org |
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| 11:43.40 | ASIRIneiluj | defrysk: do you know who is the guy uploading packages so that I can ask him directly ? |
| 11:43.45 | telmich | (from http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-01/msg01716.html) |
| 11:43.57 | Zenox | Bushmills: i'm running iptables and can't connect to the ip on port 67 (with telnet fex) from the outside/internet |
| 11:44.05 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, /j #kde and ask there |
| 11:44.28 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, or /j #kde-devel even |
| 11:44.59 | ASIRIneiluj | defrysk: I'm already on #kde, but the guy is perhaps not there at the moment since he didn't answer me, a nick would be helpful |
| 11:45.19 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, a kde discussion here is o.t. |
| 11:45.31 | defrysk | and i do not know |
| 11:45.46 | defrysk | try kde-devel |
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| 11:46.00 | ASIRIneiluj | defrysk: ok, thank you a lot |
| 11:46.11 | defrysk | ASIRIneiluj, good luck |
| 11:46.22 | Zenox | Bushmills: that's why i was pretty jumpy about it... could i privmsg you the logs (3 lines) with my ip included to you.. and you could verify (just a question)? |
| 11:46.48 | nixfreak | hmm |
| 11:46.54 | Bushmills | Zenox: telnet uses tcp. |
| 11:46.55 | nixfreak | exit |
| 11:46.58 | nixfreak | quit |
| 11:47.03 | Bushmills | Zenox: dhcp requests are udp |
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| 11:48.10 | Zenox | Bushmills: hmm that's true ofcourse.. could you help me verify if i send you the logs in privmsg? |
| 11:48.12 | stew | dhcp requests can be either udp or tcp |
| 11:48.22 | Bushmills | Zenox: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213357588071859790.png |
| 11:48.27 | stew | ASIRIneiluj: you want #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 11:48.34 | Bushmills | Zenox: that's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Protocol |
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| 11:48.46 | stew | wow, dhcp requests are udp |
| 11:48.53 | stew | needs coffee |
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| 11:50.39 | ASIRIneiluj | stew: oh, thank you |
| 11:50.47 | ASIRIneiluj | what about #debian-kde here ? |
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| 11:51.32 | Zenox | Bushmills: just got a windows box on the outside i could test from, but dunno how to check that udp port 67 is closed from it... would be pretty strange if it's open though, i closed everything except certain ports i need to have open with iptables |
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| 11:52.09 | stew | ASIRIneiluj: i don't know |
| 11:52.47 | ASIRIneiluj | stew: ok, thank you |
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| 11:56.51 | Bushmills | Zenox: use netcat to scan for ports |
| 11:57.17 | yuscha | why i ban in #debian.de |
| 11:57.23 | Bushmills | can't tell you about netcat for windows |
| 11:57.27 | Bushmills | yuscha: realname |
| 11:57.55 | yuscha | ah okay thanks |
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| 11:58.51 | InnerFIRE | any way to select just some packages to run under debian testing ? it seems debian stable is two years behind on it's ssl security updates :/ |
| 11:59.06 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 11:59.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 11:59.07 | abrotman | not quite |
| 11:59.11 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: they backport fixes |
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| 11:59.28 | jones- | Hello! I'm using the propriatery ATI drivers with a Mobility Radeon X300 on my Debian Unstable. If I remove all the "Modes" from xorg.conf, I have a really nice availability of different modes (with xranrd or ATI own configuration dialogue), but 1600x1200 (the native resolution of my external monitor), is lacking. If I put 1600x1200 in the Modes of xorg.conf, it just gets ignored. Any suggestions? |
| 11:59.51 | Bushmills | InnerFIRE: is security in your sources.list ? |
| 11:59.58 | InnerFIRE | Bushmills: yes it is |
| 12:00.00 | abrotman | !tell InnerFIRE about dsa |
| 12:00.04 | Orion_X11 | What does it mean that my rt61 wireless card is blacklist? |
| 12:00.10 | abrotman | no parties! |
| 12:00.27 | Bushmills | InnerFIRE: did you aptitude / apt-get update? |
| 12:00.50 | Orion_X11 | Ndiswrapper tries to start it up, but complains that it is blacklist :-( |
| 12:00.58 | abrotman | Bushmills: i get the impression he's just looking at libssl0.9.6 and thinking it's out of date and hasn't had any patches .. which is wrong |
| 12:01.31 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: well that and looking at the date.. and my Qualys PCI compliance scan results wich I just failed |
| 12:01.50 | Bushmills | abrotman: ah, ok. because the "2 years behind" is clearly not right. |
| 12:01.50 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: date of what? |
| 12:01.58 | InnerFIRE | OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 12:02.41 | abrotman | and it's been updated since then |
| 12:02.48 | InnerFIRE | ok |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 12:02.58 | abrotman | for example |
| 12:03.01 | abrotman | and i'm sure there were others |
| 12:03.10 | InnerFIRE | k |
| 12:03.16 | InnerFIRE | I'll dispute the results then |
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| 12:03.25 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1379 |
| 12:03.30 | wols | InnerFIRE: what security repo do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 12:04.04 | wols | 1tell Orion_X11 about rt61 |
| 12:04.04 | InnerFIRE | wols: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contribdeb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | deb http://www.microsoftupdate.com/xp/ main :) |
| 12:04.07 | InnerFIRE | oops |
| 12:04.11 | InnerFIRE | wols deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 12:04.16 | Bushmills | 0.9.8c-4etch3 shuld be the current etch openssl, you can see that with dpkg -l openssl |
| 12:04.25 | hxizan | mua mà sao net nhà mình nhanh quá' |
| 12:04.32 | abrotman | hxizan: english |
| 12:04.34 | InnerFIRE | stupid laggy spanish connections :/ |
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| 12:05.39 | Orion_X11 | !tell Orion_X11 about rt61 |
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| 12:06.17 | wols | !tell Orion_X11 about selftell |
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| 12:06.22 | wols | !tell Orion_X11 about ralink |
| 12:06.42 | wols | !tell Orion_X11 about rt61 |
| 12:08.06 | rhineheart_m | hello.. can anybody here recommend a good program for my webcam (logitech)? |
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| 12:10.00 | cahoot | to do what? |
| 12:10.29 | cahoot | using uvcvideo? |
| 12:11.37 | InnerFIRE | thinks the best fix might be to just prevent Qualys from seeing version numbers in the first place |
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| 12:12.49 | rhineheart_m | what's uvcvideo for? I just want to use the cam to view the office remotely.. |
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| 12:13.22 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: mplayer, xawtv, ... |
| 12:13.23 | cahoot | is the camera of the kind that uses uvcvideo as driver/module? |
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| 12:13.47 | rhineheart_m | I dunno... |
| 12:13.56 | rati_ | Hey I have problem in my debian system. When I do ping www.google.com then after pressing enter it shows me stopped www.google.com |
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| 12:14.13 | rati_ | stopped ping www.google.com |
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| 12:14.30 | rati_ | Due to that I cant use my internet connection |
| 12:15.36 | Zenox | Bushmills: omg, it was the dhcp lease for my internet connection that was causing it... thank god it's friday... thanks alot for all your help and pointers! |
| 12:15.39 | abrotman | rati_: what's the exact command you're using ? |
| 12:15.40 | Bushmills | rati_: can you ping 72.14.207.99 ? |
| 12:16.28 | Bushmills | Zenox: np |
| 12:18.03 | rati_ | Bushmills: yes |
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| 12:18.23 | Bushmills | rati_: dns problem, probably. check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:18.25 | rati_ | abrotman: ping www.google.com |
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| 12:18.54 | rati_ | abrotman: if I open a file using vi then still it stops process |
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| 12:19.09 | rati_ | stopped vi filename |
| 12:19.37 | Yuscha | Bushmills: i have the name chang |
| 12:20.10 | Yuscha | Bushmills: i have the name changed |
| 12:20.31 | petemc | rati_: it actaully prints "stopped ping.." to the screen ? |
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| 12:22.14 | ma3x_ | how do i reset nvram? |
| 12:22.20 | ma3x_ | i mean how do i reset the router? |
| 12:22.20 | XTZGZoReX | How do I make Debian not autostart gnome on startup? |
| 12:22.27 | ma3x_ | sorry wrong chan |
| 12:22.33 | themill | XTZGZoReX: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:22.34 | rati_ | petemc: ya like if process is running in background and if u kill that process then you get that [1]+ stopped ping www.google.com |
| 12:22.51 | Bushmills | ma3x, remove battery, wait. sometimes there's a jumper to replug |
| 12:23.20 | themill | rati_: what happens if you use Ctrl+J rather than the enter key? |
| 12:23.48 | XTZGZoReX | themill: so /etc/X11/default-display-manager <- edit that? |
| 12:24.01 | XTZGZoReX | themill: i dont feel like removing a bunch of packages >_< |
| 12:25.15 | themill | XTZGZoReX: yep, that should work. |
| 12:25.40 | rati_ | themill: letme try |
| 12:25.42 | XTZGZoReX | themill: k, thanks |
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| 12:27.09 | rati_ | themill: ok then it works |
| 12:27.18 | rati_ | so whats problem when I enter? |
| 12:27.26 | themill | rati_: interesting. nfc. |
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| 12:29.16 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:31.17 | man_in_shack | my Home/End keys just seemed to break in aptitude |
| 12:31.29 | man_in_shack | debian unstable amd64 |
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| 12:31.50 | man_in_shack | running in xfce4 |
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| 12:32.15 | man_in_shack | numpad Home/End still work though |
| 12:32.49 | Bushmills | man, try a different term program |
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| 12:34.19 | man_in_shack | works in irssi |
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| 12:36.49 | foobar8 | man_in_shack: echo $TERM |
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| 12:37.12 | man_in_shack | ah, that probably has something to do with it |
| 12:37.20 | man_in_shack | i was testing something with the TERM variable |
| 12:37.30 | DeltaS5 | Hi |
| 12:37.54 | man_in_shack | foobar8, thanks, that was the problem :) |
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| 12:38.27 | foobar8 | should play lottery |
| 12:38.59 | man_in_shack | is it likely to see openjdk in debian? |
| 12:39.21 | DeltaS5 | the kernel that comes with debian 4.0-rc3 doesn't support my ethernet and wireless cards... will it be possible to download the more recent kernel .deb or something to update mine so I can have those cards working? |
| 12:39.59 | man_in_shack | DeltaS5, /msg dpkg etchandahalf |
| 12:41.06 | themill | man_in_shack: openjdk will appear when it is both free and ready. aiui, there are a few issues on both points still but it is being actively worked on. |
| 12:41.21 | man_in_shack | it's a nightmare to build :) |
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| 12:42.46 | DeltaS5 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ this link isnt working |
| 12:42.49 | stew | openjdk is in NEW |
| 12:42.53 | DeltaS5 | 404 |
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| 12:43.36 | man_in_shack | i should read up on debian policy :P what's "NEW" exactly? |
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| 12:44.46 | stew | man_in_shack: if a package is being uploaded for the first time, the ftp-masters need to review the package to make sure that the license allows us to legally distribute it, and that it is at least clost to being packaged correctly |
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| 12:44.54 | themill | stew: is it? Excellent. I know the debian java guys have been working hard on it. |
| 12:45.05 | stew | man_in_shack: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 12:45.10 | stew | themill: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/openjdk-6_6b10-1.html |
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| 12:45.57 | man_in_shack | so is there an eta on when it will hit unstable? |
| 12:46.13 | stew | man_in_shack: right after it passes NEW |
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| 12:46.24 | psilocyb1n | hey |
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| 12:46.28 | themill | stew: openjdk is in non-free... still some work to go, it seems. I hadn't realised that they were working on a java6 version of it (I only knew of v7) |
| 12:46.30 | Ramattack | Hi!!! |
| 12:46.45 | man_in_shack | stew, i was hoping for either an approximate time or a "no" :) |
| 12:46.54 | Ramattack | can a ext3 filesystem become corrupt for having 10000 files inside a directory? |
| 12:47.00 | psilocyb1n | in /etc/xdg/menus i have all gnome-applications.menu etc. files missing, how to regenerate them? |
| 12:47.06 | OpenTokix | Ramattack: there is some sort of limit |
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| 12:47.24 | Ramattack | OpenTokix, and wich limits are those? |
| 12:47.24 | stew | themill: bah, i missed that: Section: non-free/devel |
| 12:47.37 | themill | man_in_shack: packages are in NEW for days to months. They can also be rejected because they are either badly packaged or someone spots problems with them. That's not likely to happen here, but it will take a while to review the package. |
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| 12:47.43 | man_in_shack | hmm? |
| 12:47.43 | man_in_shack | non-free? |
| 12:47.59 | themill | man_in_shack: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 12:48.01 | Ramattack | I mean where could I view number of files allowable to in a directory? |
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| 12:48.30 | stew | man_in_shack: yeah, its impossible to tell if it will pass NEW this time, and NEW isn't processed in order, so its impossible to tell how long it will be before it is looked at |
| 12:48.37 | man_in_shack | nods |
| 12:49.06 | man_in_shack | so what was that about "Section: non-free/devel"? |
| 12:49.40 | stew | man_in_shack: it looks like, at least for now it is going into non-free instead of going into debian |
| 12:49.43 | man_in_shack | oh, that's on the openjdk-6 page |
| 12:50.00 | OpenTokix | Ramattack: It is much more then 1000 anyway |
| 12:50.04 | man_in_shack | stew, according to openjdk's website, it depends on some closed-source stuff |
| 12:50.13 | Ramattack | OpenTokix, 10000 I said... |
| 12:50.27 | Ramattack | OpenTokix, some maildirs of some users, some quaratine directories.... |
| 12:52.18 | OpenTokix | Ramattack: but then its not in that single directory? |
| 12:52.38 | OpenTokix | Ramattack: each folder can hold 32k folders and each of thoose folders can hold 10k+ files |
| 12:53.07 | man_in_shack | is it possible to receive some sort of notification when a particular package passes NEW (or is rejected)? |
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| 12:53.40 | Ramattack | OpenTokix, where have you seen this info mate? |
| 12:53.55 | OpenTokix | Ramattack: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=122241 |
| 12:53.56 | Ramattack | and it's just for ext3? or for ext3 and 2 or xfs or... wich filesystems? |
| 12:54.01 | OpenTokix | ext3 |
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| 12:57.16 | stew | Ramattack: that info is outdated, you can use b-tree indexing on directies in ext2/3 now (man tune2fs) |
| 12:57.25 | psilocyb1n | hey i'm puzzled. i tried reinstall gnome-applications menu by reinstalling package gnome-menus, because apt-file search applications.menu show that file exist in package gnome-menus. however, when doing reinstall, it doesn't put the file where it should be, in /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu |
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| 12:57.29 | Ramattack | stew, but then wich is the number of files allowed to set in a directory? |
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| 12:57.40 | psilocyb1n | how this can be apt doesn't install files it should? |
| 12:58.46 | Ramattack | stew, or where could I see that unless¿? |
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| 12:59.31 | psilocyb1n | or is there a mailing list i should subscribe to ? |
| 12:59.38 | man_in_shack | ok, final attempt at getting a java plugin working |
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| 13:00.05 | man_in_shack | how hard is it to set up a 32bit chroot on an amd64 system, and is there a standard howto for it? :) |
| 13:00.15 | stew | Ramattack: i believe it is something like 2^32 or 2^40 files per directory |
| 13:00.31 | stew | Ramattack: (billions if not trillions or more files per directory) |
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| 13:00.46 | Ramattack | so no problem with 20000 files am I wrong? |
| 13:01.18 | man_in_shack | wikipedia seems to think the limit of directory entries per directory is 32000 |
| 13:01.19 | stew | Ramattack: yes, no problem, though you might want to turn dir_index on |
| 13:01.26 | foobar8 | Ramattack: for i in $(seq 0 20000); do touch $i; done |
| 13:01.50 | Ramattack | stew, dir_index for what? |
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| 13:02.06 | Ramattack | stew, what it's used for? |
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| 13:02.33 | Ramattack | foobar8, what's that mate? |
| 13:02.50 | stew | Ramattack: for indexing large directories using b-trees instead of lists |
| 13:03.14 | Bushmills | foobar8: alternatively (preferred, bash): for i in {0..20000} ; do ... |
| 13:03.17 | Ramattack | and what could happen if I don't index them stew? some problem or so? |
| 13:03.31 | man_in_shack | stew, ooh that's pretty cool |
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| 13:04.03 | foobar8 | Ramattack: create 20000+1 files in current die - see also Bushmills comment |
| 13:04.04 | Ramattack | Bushmills, but what's the real purpose of that for? I mean why do I need to do that= |
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| 13:04.17 | stew | Ramattack: if you don't use dir_index, access to directories with many thousands of files will be noticably slower |
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| 13:04.29 | man_in_shack | i've now got 40001 files in one directory |
| 13:04.31 | man_in_shack | no complaints |
| 13:04.35 | man_in_shack | ext3 |
| 13:04.37 | jelly | man_in_shack: 32000 is the hardlink limit and each child directory has a .. hardlink |
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| 13:05.07 | man_in_shack | jelly, ah ok, only for subdirs, not files |
| 13:05.07 | jelly | man_in_shack: so 32000 _subdirectories_ is the limit |
| 13:05.09 | Bushmills | Ramattack: i guess foobar8 wants to demonstrate to you that disk corruption is not caused by 20000 files in a directory |
| 13:05.13 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 13:05.22 | Ramattack | oh I see... it now... :) |
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| 13:05.41 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates I'm a bit more relaxed now :) |
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| 13:05.48 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates really |
| 13:05.50 | Ramattack | should go |
| 13:05.53 | Ramattack | bye!!!!!! |
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| 13:07.52 | OpenTokix | hah |
| 13:07.56 | OpenTokix | I made a dir with 10k files |
| 13:08.00 | OpenTokix | rm -rf * |
| 13:08.04 | OpenTokix | bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
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| 13:08.08 | OpenTokix | hihi |
| 13:10.13 | jelly | OpenTokix: yay. |
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| 13:11.48 | OpenTokix | just made 50k files also - seems to work |
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| 13:13.02 | jelly | I've seen >10^7 files in a directory on an ext3. |
| 13:13.13 | sunsfine | hi |
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| 13:13.33 | OpenTokix | jelly: ok |
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| 13:15.02 | foobar8 | OpenTokix: you might also run out of inodes first - see also df -i |
| 13:15.18 | OpenTokix | foobar8: yeah |
| 13:15.24 | OpenTokix | foobar8: maybe my fs is broke nnow =) |
| 13:15.27 | masus | hi all,is it possible to install kde4 via apt "debian etch" |
| 13:15.35 | wols | !tell masus about kde4 |
| 13:15.54 | OpenTokix | foobar8: 30512329 <-- free inodes |
| 13:16.10 | foobar8 | OpenTokix: :-) |
| 13:17.29 | man_in_shack | heh, i have 75 million free inodes on /home :) |
| 13:18.31 | foobar8 | much faster version (maybe needs bash): for i in {0..100000}; do :> $i; done |
| 13:19.10 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 13:21.18 | Bushmills | foobar8: { } is a bash3-ism. but useful, consider this: echo {a..f}{a..f} |
| 13:21.41 | jelly | works in zsh as well |
| 13:21.57 | foobar8 | Bushmills: really nice - thanks |
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| 13:22.34 | foobar8 | Bushmills: i only knew the {,} thing like: echo a{a,f}c |
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| 13:27.24 | eshat | Hi all,... I have a Intel X3000 VideoCard, is there a way to set my framebuffer resolution to 1280x800 ??? |
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| 13:29.11 | eshat | !framebuffer |
| 13:29.11 | dpkg | from memory, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
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| 13:30.31 | Bushmills | foobar8: echo $(eval echo \{{a..c}..{d..f}\}) |
| 13:30.40 | jelly | eshat: by framebuffer, you mean the framebuffer console? |
| 13:30.56 | jelly | eshat: if the card's VESA BIOS has an entry for that res, yes. Some bioses do. |
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| 13:32.02 | jelly | Bushmills: does the {a..c} thing follow your locale's collation rules? |
| 13:32.17 | pablo | hi, when i do apt-get --purge remove liblocale-gettext-perl, i get Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas: libuuid1: Depende: passwd pero no va a instalarse E: broken packages |
| 13:32.24 | Bushmills | jelly, sorry, can't tell. |
| 13:32.43 | ice63 | how do i change the resolution in x for lenny ? |
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| 13:32.53 | wols | xrandr |
| 13:33.04 | ice63 | ok |
| 13:33.18 | jelly | pablo: what about "LANG=C apt-get --purge remove liblocale-gettext-perl"? |
| 13:34.15 | pablo | jelly: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libuuid1: Depends: passwd but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 13:34.23 | E-bola | Can somebody help me understand the hubbed hosts router in exim in debian? |
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| 13:34.48 | stew | pablo: wait, why are you trying to remove that package? it is a Priority: required package |
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| 13:36.02 | foobar8 | jelly: it seems non-ascii chars are not allowed in {x..y} expansion |
| 13:36.08 | pablo | stew: it doesnt say so, who uses it? |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | foobar8: pfft! |
| 13:36.59 | stew | pablo: "apt-cache show liblocale-gettext-perl | grep Priority"; "apt-cache rdepends liblocale-gettext-perl" will show you who uses it. debconf is one of them iirc |
| 13:36.59 | jelly | ok, in zsh only numeric {X..Y} work |
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| 13:38.03 | foobar8 | and i don't understand the expansion of {a..Z} |
| 13:38.14 | psilocyb1n | please, i beg you, what is there i can fix aptitude or apt to install packages, such that it actually installs the files? |
| 13:38.43 | psilocyb1n | x install forgot fonts.alias already, and now gnome-menus forget /etc/xdg/menus/ files |
| 13:38.46 | psilocyb1n | :( |
| 13:38.49 | foobar8 | got it |
| 13:38.59 | stew | psilocyb1n: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:39.37 | chops | psilocyb1n: Have you manually deleted those files at some point? |
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| 13:40.10 | sinisterporpoise | any people here today? |
| 13:40.12 | pablo | stew: ok thanks, still no package depends on it |
| 13:40.24 | Bushmills | foobar8: maybe this helps you to understand: echo {4..1}. consider that asc of a is higher than asc of Z |
| 13:40.29 | stew | pablo: why are you removing a required package? |
| 13:40.56 | sinisterporpoise | just wondering if anyone can help or tell me where to go to get help. Sounds get echoed when I play them in Debian..... |
| 13:41.03 | pablo | stew: no, dindt know it was a required package |
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| 13:42.38 | psilocyb1n | yes i have deleted some files manually :/ |
| 13:42.41 | psilocyb1n | chops: |
| 13:43.00 | stew | pablo: you might want to run "aptitude -f install '~prequired'" which would make sure that you have all required / essential packages installed and it will try to fix any broken packages you currently have |
| 13:43.15 | stew | er aptitude -f install '~prequired' '~E' |
| 13:43.19 | chops | psilocyb1n: Then see what stew told you. aptitude isn't "forgetting" those files; it's not installing them because it assumes that you removed them for a reason and don't want them around. |
| 13:43.19 | sinisterporpoise | so why would I be getting an echo when playing sounds in Linux? It ruins the sound quality |
| 13:43.30 | psilocyb1n | ah ok. |
| 13:43.39 | psilocyb1n | >:| sorry about, i'm n00b, forever noob. lol. |
| 13:43.45 | chops | psilocyb1n: No worries |
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| 13:44.15 | pablo | stew: ok thx |
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| 13:45.36 | sinisterporpoise | hmmm |
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| 13:45.59 | sinisterporpoise | well, if no one knows what's causing the sounds to play on seperate speakers but delayed, I guess they can't help |
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| 13:46.15 | stew | sinisterporpoise: try #alsa |
| 13:46.36 | sinisterporpoise | ah, thanks. |
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| 13:47.00 | sladi | Hi! When booting via pxe (root is via nfs) I get "hostname KNOPPIX resolved by DNS". I specified hostname differently on both the diskless client and server though? |
| 13:47.25 | sladi | How can I get rid of the KNOPPIX name? |
| 13:47.40 | Bushmills | sladi: by installing debian |
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| 13:48.05 | sladi | I use the lenny netboot.tar.gz (pxe) and a customized kernel which includes DHCP etc |
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| 13:48.23 | sladi | Bushmills: I never doenloaded Knoppix ^^ |
| 13:48.43 | Bushmills | sladi: you dhcp server may give that name |
| 13:48.48 | sladi | Bushmills: the customized kernel is from Debian repos too. |
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| 13:49.16 | XTZGZoReX | How do I install curses/ncurses with aptitude? |
| 13:49.24 | sladi | Bushmills: the server is the machine here and in /etc/dhcp§/dhcp.conf it's specified differently |
| 13:49.34 | ma3x | i dont understand! in windows I get up to 400 kbytes per second and in linux only 80!!! here's my config: http://paste.debian.net/6382/ anything wrong? |
| 13:49.50 | sladi | Bushmills: I followed the Debian howto |
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| 13:51.43 | Bushmills | sladi: assuming the diskless doesn't know about its hostname, it will have to be provided by dhcp, or is in the config for the diskles machine on the nfs server. |
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| 13:51.51 | zamuro | http://pastebin.com/d4dafd1d0 <-- Any ideas? |
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| 13:52.26 | love^_^me | <love^_^me> any one want Irccops Admin scripts for yOur Server any one knw how to make Server conTRact lOts of scripts for admins ircops contract and get free |
| 13:52.29 | love^_^me | love^_^me is using [IRCop ScripT ] by love^_^me |
| 13:52.52 | OpenTokix | nice virus =) |
| 13:52.57 | love^_^me | no |
| 13:53.03 | love^_^me | virus sir |
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| 13:53.31 | wols | love^_^me: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:53.32 | OpenTokix | love^_^me: Well, no spammin' here |
| 13:54.09 | sladi | Bushmills: the server machine provides dhcp and nfs. http://paste.debian.net/6383 |
| 13:54.09 | love^_^me | can any one help me how to make own server ? |
| 13:54.22 | love^_^me | can any one help me how to make own server ? |
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| 13:54.39 | XTZGZoReX | How do I install curses/ncurses with aptitude? |
| 13:54.44 | XTZGZoReX | the library that is |
| 13:54.55 | zamuro | Yes... google can. We all can read you at first time. No need to repeat. |
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| 13:55.02 | liable | libncureses5-dev |
| 13:55.04 | love^_^me | can any one help me how to make own server ? MIrc new server |
| 13:55.21 | Bushmills | sladi: grep -R KNOPPIX /etc/* of both boot server and boot client /etc |
| 13:55.37 | XTZGZoReX | liable: <3 to you |
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| 13:56.48 | abrotman | zamuro: help you what? |
| 13:56.59 | OpenTokix | I heard something about a 40 foot pole |
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| 13:57.17 | zamuro | abrotman: icedove freezes. |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | zamuro: i'm not sure your backtrace really helps |
| 13:57.39 | abrotman | zamuro: does it freeze for a new user also? |
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| 13:57.56 | zamuro | abrotman: didn't try. |
| 13:58.00 | vjoe | hey |
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| 13:59.33 | stew | lc |
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| 14:01.37 | sladi | Bushmills: thanks! unfortunately itdoesn't find anything. |
| 14:01.41 | love^_^me | love^_^me is using [IRCop ScripT ] by love^_^me |
| 14:01.45 | love^_^me | can any one help me how to make own server ? MIrc new server |
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| 14:01.59 | blameless | if i tell dpkg to --hold-selections, is there an easy way to be notified if a newer version pops into the debian repositories? |
| 14:01.59 | stew | love^_^me: you've been silenced for being off-topic |
| 14:02.23 | stew | blameless: you can subscribe to a package at http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
| 14:02.35 | blameless | stew: ah, that should work. thank you :) |
| 14:03.02 | claint | hey, could someone help me to reproduce a bug in vserver-debiantools? I believe there is a bug in the 0.6.1 version of vserver-debiantools. any takers? |
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| 14:05.26 | stew | claint: check the bts to see if the bug has been filed there, if not, file one |
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| 14:09.18 | claint | stew: it wasn't filed, so i wanted to make sure somebody else had it. i already produced the bug on 2 different configurations. |
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| 14:09.37 | claint | stew: i think i'll just go ahead and file it. |
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| 14:13.08 | sladi | Bushmills:Sorry! It did find about Knoppix (I'm sure it was KNOPPIX before):"etc/motd:Linux Knoppix" etc. |
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| 14:13.32 | sladi | Bushmills: that's only on the client |
| 14:13.40 | techmago | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 14:13.40 | Bushmills | sladi: no debian installation comes with that motd |
| 14:13.45 | psilocyb1n | hm. there is a directory for gnome-menus in homes ? |
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| 14:15.46 | sladi | Bushmills: the server is pure Lenny. The client uses netboot.tar.gz from Debian Lenny dir and the customized kernel is fomr Lenny repo. Which would cause that motd please(kernel, pxelinux.0)? |
| 14:15.56 | Bushmills | if i had to guess, it would be "your diskless client system runs Knoppix" :P |
| 14:16.23 | vjoe | how do I run xsane without having to be root? |
| 14:16.25 | sladi | nah, I chroot from the server to be sure |
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| 14:16.52 | sladi | Bushmills: could it be the kernel config before building? ^^ |
| 14:17.03 | cahoot | vjoe: put user in scanner group |
| 14:17.23 | vjoe | hm |
| 14:17.38 | vjoe | what is the command to retrieve the list of groups? |
| 14:17.54 | sladi | vjoe: vi /etc/group |
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| 14:18.06 | cahoot | vigr rather |
| 14:18.08 | sladi | vjoe: /etc/group is the file. you edit it |
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| 14:18.18 | sladi | :P |
| 14:18.49 | vjoe | I used the command gpasswd |
| 14:18.51 | vjoe | thanks |
| 14:19.08 | Bushmills | vjoe: cut -d: -f1 /etc/group |
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| 14:19.47 | vjoe | hm? |
| 14:19.52 | techmago | Hi all! Running Lenny I recently (about 2 days ago) got a problem with xrandr and my laptop's internal display (IBM X31, Radeon Mobility M6, ati/radeon driver). External VGA screen works fine. |
| 14:20.00 | Bushmills | "command to retrieve the list of groups" |
| 14:20.08 | techmago | It used to work perfectly, but now it says "xrandr: cannot find crtc for output LVDS" when I try to turn it on with "xrandr --auto" |
| 14:20.22 | techmago | I have no idea what update caused it, but the xorg-ati driver didn't change in testing for at least 2 weeks. |
| 14:20.27 | vjoe | I still can't find the scanner |
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| 14:20.38 | vjoe | do I have to reboot in order to the changes take effect? |
| 14:20.42 | sladi | vjoe: logout |
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| 14:21.00 | vjoe | brb |
| 14:21.04 | sladi | vjoe: as soon as you login it doesn't work though ^^ |
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| 14:21.49 | vjoe | thanks guys! :D |
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| 14:22.15 | sladi | vjoe: np :) |
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| 14:23.25 | enouf | techmago: thinkwiki.org? |
| 14:24.01 | techmago | enouf: I am familiar with that site but it contains nothing about my problem so far. |
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| 14:24.52 | enouf | there's teh xrandr docs |
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| 14:25.29 | techmago | enouf: Everything used to work fine until some updates I ran recently. |
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| 14:26.30 | techmago | googling gives only a handful matches, but for different hardware. |
| 14:26.33 | Niklas- | I once found a utility on the net, to run a command on multiple servers, like `runon server1,server2,server3 <command>` and it would do it on thoose servers. However i cannot find it again, anyone know a tool of such kind? |
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| 14:26.56 | enouf | techmago: check /var/log/dpkg for what was installed recently, maybe track down which software got added/upgraded, read the changelogs for those - i use apt-listchanges, so every install/upgrade of app, i'm presented and then mailed the changes |
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| 14:28.57 | techmago | enouf: Thanks for the hint, I am not familiar with dpkg logging but will definitely look at that file :) |
| 14:29.42 | sladi | "setting hostname to Knoppix, resolved from DNS" Can the router, which is defined as DNS in DHCP, save Knoppix somewhere? |
| 14:29.58 | enouf | techmago: it's actually /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 14:30.28 | techmago | enouf: thanks, I spotted those others as well. |
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| 14:31.23 | enouf | techmago: welcome, note there's also apt-listbugs which works similarly to what i mentioned above about apt-listchanges |
| 14:31.37 | techmago | I will now have a look at the files. Maybe it leads me to a suspect package |
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| 14:32.14 | naoconsigoinicia | hi somebody help me? i have installed debian and i have a problem with dmrc |
| 14:32.19 | brimstone | why dosen't testing have ntp as of less then 12 hours ago? |
| 14:32.29 | chops | !why is ntp not in testing |
| 14:32.29 | dpkg | ntp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntp |
| 14:32.53 | Bushmills | brimstone: use chrony |
| 14:33.18 | brimstone | chrony? why? |
| 14:33.26 | Bushmills | there is also openntpd |
| 14:33.57 | stew | brimstone: http://packages.qa.debian.org/ntp should tell you why it was removed from testing |
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| 14:34.26 | Bushmills | why? instead of ntp, which is, as you have discovered, not in lenny,. you can also wait for it to come back |
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| 14:35.04 | chops | brimstone: The problem was a licensing conflict which has now been resolved; it's apparently just waiting for bug #448408 to be closed (possibly after a new version is uploaded). |
| 14:35.07 | Lukemob | hello guys, I'd like to ask... is there any way to backup the system when it worked correctly?? |
| 14:35.10 | chops | brimstone: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448408 |
| 14:35.20 | brimstone | thanks chops |
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| 14:35.29 | brimstone | didn't know there was licensing problems with getting the time of day... |
| 14:35.31 | brimstone | heh |
| 14:35.41 | chops | brimstone: Or you can add sid to sources.list, install ntp, and then remove sid from sources.list |
| 14:35.43 | brimstone | also, thanks for the link stew |
| 14:35.53 | enouf | sure, pretty soon we'll be taxing sunlight |
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| 14:36.47 | Bushmills | Lukemob: saving the contents of /etc/ could be a good idea |
| 14:37.01 | Bushmills | Lukemob: also, a list of installed packages |
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| 14:37.04 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 14:37.15 | Lukemob | yeah... hm |
| 14:37.18 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Someone's here? |
| 14:37.20 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hi! |
| 14:37.23 | Bushmills | other than that, of course you can also backup the system |
| 14:37.28 | [0x41] | Hi i'm having a bit of trouble with a Asus network card, during the debian minimal installation it tells me to insert floppy with the drivers for the card in, any idea were i get these drivers ? |
| 14:37.30 | Lukemob | Bushmills, but witout that all you said it's not possible, right? |
| 14:38.17 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I use Debian for some years. But I newly installed etch on one PC. I want to install NFS o the PC but it doesn't work. |
| 14:38.22 | Bushmills | Lukemob: the system doesn't backup itself automatically without you doing anything. you need at least to tell it that it should do. usually by usung the one or the other program for that purpose. |
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| 14:40.17 | sladi | Lukemob: I guess you'd need another partition or disk. Then you could use Insert Linux for example. You can do it from within Windows too. |
| 14:40.34 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: be more specific. what have you tried, what exactly isn't working? are you getting an error somewhere... |
| 14:40.38 | sladi | Lukemob: then you could copy the whole disk |
| 14:40.55 | kanzure | I have an ssh connection to a server that is directly wired to a crappy external hard drive that I can only FTP into from that server. I want to download some giant files on to that external hard drive, via FTP. From the server. However, I can only wget the file I want. So, how can I do this? |
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| 14:41.06 | keith4 | Emmanuel_Chanel: make sure portmap is installed and started |
| 14:41.09 | kanzure | It'd be helpful if the FTP-based file systems worked for me, but they don't. |
| 14:41.16 | philmarcracken | noob question, how to give access to users for wu-ftp? |
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| 14:41.27 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew, keith4 |
| 14:41.33 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When I command rpcinfo -p |
| 14:41.50 | philmarcracken | /etc/wu-ftpd/ftpaccess somewhere? |
| 14:41.55 | chops | kanzure: curlftpfs doesn't work for you? What does it do, exactly? |
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| 14:42.18 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: can you be more specific? what about rpcinfo? |
| 14:42.24 | kanzure | chops: It's been so long since I've bothered with it, but basically I rememebr getting errors when trying to connect upon cd'ing into one of the dirs installed and so on. |
| 14:42.34 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I don't find nfs and mountd |
| 14:42.52 | chops | kanzure: Well, with that detailed description, we're sure to know what's wrong and be able to tell you how to fix it :-) |
| 14:42.58 | Emmanuel_Chanel | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 14:43.01 | kanzure | chops: I'm asking for alternatives, though. |
| 14:43.02 | Emmanuel_Chanel | /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 14:43.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | don't help that situation. |
| 14:43.21 | XTZGZoReX | Would anyone here know an efficient guide to setting up a VNC server on Debian? Thanks. |
| 14:43.22 | kanzure | chops: It'd be nice if I could just stream the wget download into an ftp 'put' command or something |
| 14:43.30 | stew | !tell Emmanuel_Chanel about enter |
| 14:43.33 | chops | kanzure: You can make a named FIFO on the server (mkfifo), and wget into the named pipe while ftp uploads from the named pipe. |
| 14:43.34 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: is portmap running? |
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| 14:44.02 | kanzure | chops: That's interesting. Will the native ftp program be okay with that? |
| 14:44.06 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Yes, I find this: |
| 14:44.08 | Emmanuel_Chanel | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper |
| 14:44.11 | chops | kanzure: Some programs will have trouble with that sort of thing, but I would expect it to work (probably better if the wget side is doing 'wget -O - http://somefile/ > thepipe') |
| 14:44.18 | chops | kanzure: Try it and see |
| 14:44.24 | [0x41] | Hi i'm having a bit of trouble with a Asus network card, during the debian minimal installation it tells me to insert floppy with the drivers for the card in, any idea were i get these drivers ? |
| 14:44.24 | kanzure | chops: Okay :) |
| 14:44.41 | fantasticmrfox | Hi, My NAS box shares a directory owned root:root over NFS... but when mounted on my server it is nobody:nobody owned. |
| 14:44.41 | fantasticmrfox | I'll be using things like "cp -a /etc/ /mnt/Backups/" to make backups preserving ownership,time,modes etc and it won't let me. |
| 14:44.41 | fantasticmrfox | What can I to make my mounted NFS share directory - act as good as it would be accessing it directly? |
| 14:45.09 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Google for 'nfs squash root' |
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| 14:45.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew: Yes. portmap is running. |
| 14:45.18 | chops | fantasticmrfox: That's the option you need to disable |
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| 14:45.46 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Also, NFS is not an ideal backup medium when used like that; it'd probably be better to use tar and send the tarball to the server |
| 14:46.10 | kanzure | chops: Okay, so how do I feed the pipe I mkfifo'd into ftp? |
| 14:46.13 | fantasticmrfox | chops well I'm doing an emergency " cp -a " until I can figure out how to use rsync in a cron |
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| 14:46.31 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Just PUT the pipe |
| 14:46.37 | kanzure | Hrm. |
| 14:46.38 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: what does "uname -r" say? what version of nfs-kernel-server is installed? |
| 14:46.41 | fantasticmrfox | chops, ? |
| 14:46.42 | chops | Er |
| 14:46.46 | chops | kanzure: Just PUT the pipe |
| 14:46.50 | fantasticmrfox | ah :P |
| 14:46.51 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Sorry, misdirected |
| 14:46.55 | fantasticmrfox | np |
| 14:47.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Now: "uname -r" says 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 14:47.22 | chops | fantasticmrfox: I think it'll be quicker and better for you to figure out tar than to fix _this_ problem with NFS and wait to discover the next problem with NFS. It's up to you, though. |
| 14:47.25 | fantasticmrfox | choc, that google isn't helping so much - know where this option is off hand? |
| 14:47.25 | XTZGZoReX | What's the file mountings are defined in, again? |
| 14:47.56 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, /etc/fstab |
| 14:47.59 | fantasticmrfox | chops, I don't want to use tar, I want to use rsync but thats later |
| 14:48.02 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: thanks |
| 14:48.23 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Eh? The very first result for "nfs squash root" contains the answer to the question you're asking me _in the link text_ ("The exports file"). |
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| 14:48.26 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew: What command tell me the version of nfs-kernel-server ? |
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| 14:48.47 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: apt-cache policy nfs-kernel-server would tell you in the Installed: line |
| 14:48.54 | fantasticmrfox | chops, http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 14:48.59 | fantasticmrfox | thats my first link |
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| 14:49.11 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Can you send me the google page you see? |
| 14:49.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | ok. I found "1:1.0.10-6+etch.1" now. |
| 14:49.19 | fantasticmrfox | chops, http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nfs+squash+root&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a |
| 14:49.34 | kanzure | chops: FTP says "SERVUP: not a plain file." (SERVUP is the name of the pipe I made.) |
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| 14:50.08 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Huh. Google UK is different; on yours it's the second link ("The exports file"). |
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| 14:50.28 | chops | kanzure: Okay. You may need to use a different FTP program or curl or something. |
| 14:50.35 | kanzure | chops: Can curl do ftp? |
| 14:50.40 | chops | kanzure: Yes |
| 14:50.43 | kanzure | Awesome./ |
| 14:51.44 | fantasticmrfox | chops, but I don't have a /etc/exports |
| 14:52.00 | chops | fantasticmrfox: On the NFS server you don't have an /etc/exports? |
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| 14:52.31 | kanzure | chops: I'm looking through the options, and it's not immediately obvious what parameters I have to pass. I'm doing: curl --upload-file SERVUP --user username:password --ftp-create-dirs .. but surely there's something more. |
| 14:52.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew ? |
| 14:52.53 | chops | kanzure: The FTP url as well... |
| 14:52.53 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: hi |
| 14:52.53 | fantasticmrfox | chops, ah on the NAS box, yes I do... so I'm changing (rw,root_squash) for (rw) ? |
| 14:53.01 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Yes |
| 14:53.03 | kanzure | chops: just throw it on? Or do I need to specify the FTP URI? |
| 14:53.17 | chops | kanzure: You need to specify the FTP URL |
| 14:53.26 | kanzure | Do I need to specify the URI? |
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| 14:53.27 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Does it seem that you can find something? |
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| 14:53.47 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: i don't know |
| 14:53.57 | kanzure | chops: The URI is the "ftp://" part. |
| 14:54.01 | chops | kanzure: I don't know the difference between a URL and a URI. You need to specify the thingy that says "ftp://servername/the/directory/to/put/the/file/into". |
| 14:54.18 | kanzure | chops: URI is the ftp:// part. Just FYI. But you've answered that, now. Thanks. |
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| 14:55.50 | kanzure | chops: So, wget has an --output-file method, *but* that's for log message stuffs. |
| 14:56.13 | chops | kanzure: Like I said, "wget -O - http://blah/ > thepipe" |
| 14:56.20 | kanzure | chops: no, that's log output |
| 14:56.28 | kanzure | Oh. |
| 14:57.07 | fbc | How do I blacklist an ip for ssh? |
| 14:57.38 | chops | kanzure: Also, ftp:// thingys are both URLs and URIs, it turns out. URLs are the special case of URIs which actually tell you where on the network something can be obtained via http/ftp/whatever. |
| 14:57.40 | stew | chops: a URL is a URI that happens to be the location of something |
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| 14:57.52 | joltcan | fbc: as in block ssh for that ip? |
| 14:58.00 | kanzure | Oops. |
| 14:58.03 | kanzure | My definition was wrong, then. |
| 14:58.05 | kanzure | My apologies. |
| 14:58.27 | chops | stew: Yes, I just looked up the whole thing, and while I'm moderately glad I know the meanings of these common acronyms I can't help but feel slightly as if I just wasted a few minutes of my life that I'll never get back again. :-) |
| 14:58.33 | joltcan | fbc: iptables -p tcp --dport 22 -s theip -j DROP |
| 14:58.43 | fantasticmrfox | choc, sorry but that didn't work... I changed the file - rebooted the NAS (thankfully I have SSH access on it) and it still won't let me change permissions on the server side |
| 14:58.46 | stew | chops: :) |
| 14:58.56 | fbc | joltcan, yes, thanks |
| 14:59.09 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Will it let you upload files owned by root and list them as owned by root? |
| 14:59.58 | fantasticmrfox | no |
| 15:00.06 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Who are they owned by? |
| 15:00.09 | fantasticmrfox | maybe I'm mounting it wrong? |
| 15:00.09 | joltcan | fbc: crap, add -I INPUT |
| 15:00.13 | fantasticmrfox | nobody:nobody |
| 15:00.29 | philmarcracken | so lets get this straight, i apt-get install wu-ftpd all fine, it installed, i connected to it from here with user/pass, also fine |
| 15:00.30 | fbc | joltcan, yup... |
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| 15:00.47 | philmarcracken | but i dont have any access to delete anything or even upload anything? |
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| 15:02.04 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Perhaps your NFS server defaults to root squashing (though I don't believe the Linux one does). Try adding "no_root_squash" to the options. |
| 15:02.13 | chops | fantasticmrfox: Or, of course, learn to use tar :-) |
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| 15:02.50 | kanzure | Ooh. |
| 15:02.54 | fantasticmrfox | chops, I already _know_ tar, thats how I was doing backups before... I just don't _want_ tar... I want to only backups changes - and rsync will let me do that |
| 15:02.55 | kanzure | I just need to upload from STDIN. |
| 15:03.19 | kanzure | Curl doesn't seem to have an option for this. It seems to want to assume that --upload-file is a single file. |
| 15:03.52 | chops | kanzure: Yes, "wget -O - | curl -T -" will actually be simpler :-) |
| 15:04.24 | sladi | ha! my freaky route set the hostname to Knoppix. ^^ |
| 15:04.30 | sladi | *router |
| 15:04.30 | kanzure | chops: Nope, that only gets one file. |
| 15:04.55 | justin | kanzure: did you read the man page? |
| 15:04.59 | stew | kanzure: --upload-file can read from stdin instead of a file |
| 15:05.18 | kanzure | stew: /me needs multiple files. |
| 15:05.21 | chops | kanzure: Can you pastebin exactly the command you're running and the output? I'm not sure what trouble you're describing by "that only gets one file". |
| 15:05.22 | kanzure | justin: lemme double check :) |
| 15:05.27 | chops | kanzure: So put it in a loop |
| 15:05.33 | kanzure | chops: I'm mirroring a website. |
| 15:05.35 | justin | kanzure: you'd be surprised what searching for "multiple files' finds |
| 15:06.28 | chops | kanzure: Sounds like curlftpfs + whatever the http equivalent is is the way to go then |
| 15:06.39 | kanzure | justin: Not in the curl mandocs. |
| 15:06.53 | kanzure | chops: So, re: a loop. wget already has a loop, it should be doing that on its own |
| 15:06.55 | kanzure | It's a pipe, right? |
| 15:07.05 | kanzure | chops: Yes, I'd like to avoid curlftpfs though. |
| 15:07.05 | justin | kanzure: did you actually LOOK? |
| 15:07.22 | kanzure | justin: Yes, I did a search. Found it just once, the --data parameter for HTTP posts. |
| 15:07.39 | justin | kanzure: did you actually look at the help for the -T option? |
| 15:07.40 | stew | kanzure: so you are trying to use --upload-file to upload multiple files via stdin in order to mirror a website? |
| 15:07.48 | kanzure | stew: Yep. |
| 15:08.00 | stew | kanzure: how are uploading files and mirroring a website related? |
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| 15:08.07 | kanzure | stew: I have ssh access to a server. On that server's network, there's a file server. |
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| 15:08.27 | kanzure | stew: The file server doesn't have a shell, therefore I have to pipe over the files. |
| 15:08.31 | kanzure | I can't store the files locally on the server. |
| 15:08.48 | chops | kanzure: Run 'find . -type f > foo' on the web server, then for x in "`cat foo`"; do wget -O - http://site/"$x" | curl -T "ftp://server/subdir/$x" |
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| 15:08.56 | chops | kanzure: ; done |
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| 15:09.54 | chops | kanzure: That won't delete unneeded files or anything, of course; for a more maintainable mirroring solution you really should use rsync or curlftpfs or something. |
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| 15:10.41 | stew | kanzure: so your only possible way of uploading files to this fileserver is via a webpage? |
| 15:11.04 | chops | stew: Via FTP |
| 15:11.17 | kanzure | stew: No. I can upload files to the file server on that 'local network' (local to the server that I have shell access to), via FTP. There happens to be a web interface, but ignore it - it doesn't do anything but sit there. :) |
| 15:12.06 | stew | kanzure: so why can't you just use an ftp client that lets your recursively copy entire directories of files? |
| 15:12.40 | kanzure | stew: Because those files that I need to recurse through are over http. I have never seen an ftp client that will recursively copy files like that. |
| 15:12.45 | kanzure | That'd be nice. :) |
| 15:13.03 | kanzure | the files are listed through a web page |
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| 15:13.08 | kanzure | i.e., a plain directory structure |
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| 15:13.32 | stew | kanzure: so mirror the http site first with wget, then recursively upload the files with an ftp client |
| 15:13.45 | kanzure | stew: I can't mirror it on that ssh-server because there's no space available. |
| 15:13.55 | stew | kanzure: so mirror it somewhere else |
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| 15:14.02 | kanzure | stew: Geeze, like on a file server. |
| 15:14.04 | kanzure | Oh wait. :) |
| 15:14.58 | chops | kanzure: Did you happen to notice up above where I told you how to use a loop to solve your problem? |
| 15:15.22 | kanzure | chops: Yep. |
| 15:15.33 | chops | kanzure: Okay. Just checking. |
| 15:15.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew: Commanding "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start" after "/etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 stop", the nfs works. I don't know why. :( |
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| 15:16.08 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: if it is reproducable, file a bug |
| 15:16.12 | stew | Emmanuel_Chanel: (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 15:16.54 | kanzure | chops: Although I don't like how you assume I have ssh access on the web server to be able to use 'find' and get a list of file names. That's not what I'm doing here. I do not have ssh access to the server on which the files are located. |
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| 15:17.10 | chops | kanzure: So use the http equivalent of curlftpfs, not sure what it's called |
| 15:17.20 | jelly | chops: "curlftpfs" |
| 15:17.25 | jelly | :-) |
| 15:17.51 | chops | jelly: Oh. He's opposed to curlftpfs because he had a bad experience with it once long ago which he doesn't remember the details of. |
| 15:18.21 | kanzure | chops: The details involved an inability to connect to the servers and therefore render it useless. However, if I had known the true cause of the problem I would have been able to fix it, no? |
| 15:18.24 | drwahl | i had an nVidia 7900GS but got an nVidia 8800GT. I did not reinstall the driver that I was previously using (from nVidias site) and everything appears to be working fine. My question is: is there really any reason for me to reinstall the driver? |
| 15:18.56 | stew | kanzure: why not mirror the website, then upload that mirror to the ftp server? |
| 15:19.02 | chops | kanzure: I'm not necessarily assuming you have ssh access on the server; I'm assuming either that you do, or that you're able either to get a fuse-based mount of the http directory you're mounting, or that you'll translate what I'm telling you into commands that will actually work. |
| 15:19.07 | kanzure | stew: Because I can't contain that mirror anywhere. |
| 15:19.13 | stew | kanzure: anywhere? |
| 15:19.26 | kanzure | stew: Well, the idea is to mirror it on the file server :-/ |
| 15:19.30 | sladi | drwahl I doubt it. Look in the nvidia manual (where you can download the driver) for specific notes about the new card |
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| 15:20.05 | chops | kanzure: Meeting me trying to help you out to solve your problem with "But I CAAAAAAN'T" isn't encouraging me to think harder to figure out more things I can tell you to help you with new aspects of the problem :-/ |
| 15:20.08 | stew | kanzure: you do not have access to any machine which has enough spect to contain the mirror from which you could also ssh and ftp clients? |
| 15:20.16 | sladi | drwahl: I have an 8600GT and everything is fine without special things xorg.conf |
| 15:20.29 | jelly | !rube goldberd install |
| 15:20.32 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:20.32 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 15:20.59 | sts | hello folks. |
| 15:21.01 | sts | how does logrotate know which files to rotate in /var/log? i had a look at the configuration, but there are only some directives for specific files in /var/log not for the whole server... any ideas? |
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| 15:21.10 | foobar8 | was there some attack vector against gzip where the bytes 4-7 are modified? because i have debsums reporting md5sum mismatches for compressed man pages and looking at the difference i found those bytes being different - any other tips? |
| 15:21.11 | jelly | kanzure: do you have a shell account on either of the two machines? |
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| 15:21.28 | kanzure | chops: Just hold on. I don't work all that fast. I've been busy in here, so expecting me to be trying to write a few bash scripts, install fuse, curlftpfs, etc., while also explaining the situation to others all at the same time is more or less unreasonable, but I'll try. |
| 15:21.32 | kanzure | stew: What? |
| 15:21.44 | stew | kanzure: you do not have access to any machine which has enough spect to contain the mirror from which you could also ssh and ftp clients? |
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| 15:21.53 | stew | err, s/spect/space/ |
| 15:22.04 | kanzure | jelly: I have an ssh server on my home network. On that network is a file server that can be internally accessed via FTP. Somewhere out on the web is an HTTP dir structure with files I need to mirror on the FTP server. |
| 15:22.17 | sladi | drwahl: of course your old driver should support th new card ^^ |
| 15:22.20 | kanzure | stew: Hrm. Yes, I think that's true. |
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| 15:22.33 | drwahl | sladi: according to nvidias website, they both use the same download for their driver |
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| 15:22.46 | mike1o | which packages do I need to keep clock syncronized with the net in gnome? |
| 15:22.48 | Sysctl___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.55 | kanzure | jelly: The FTP file server thing is proprietary/commercial, so for some reason only allows FTP. That, or USB, but there's no USB connection hooked up at the moment. |
| 15:23.01 | drwahl | sladi: but i want to be sure that i doesnt 'detect' certain features upon installation and disable others if they are not detected |
| 15:23.01 | defrysk | drwahl, the new vid card should work fine |
| 15:23.04 | stew | Sysctl___: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:23.06 | Sysctl___ | not sure which ones i need to apt reallly, since its a mixed environment |
| 15:23.06 | jelly | kanzure: usb sounds nice. |
| 15:23.10 | Dewi | mike1o: clock's not a gnome thing. Just use ntp |
| 15:23.32 | Sysctl___ | well, its an ubuntu and debian issue, technically, but i am there and someone asked me to go to ubuntu :P |
| 15:23.35 | mike1o | Dewi, says "Package ntp has no installation candidate" |
| 15:23.44 | kanzure | So I apt-get install'ed curlftpfs, and then fuse-utils, but /dev/fuse is still not activated. What do I have to modprobe? |
| 15:23.55 | chops | kanzure: It's fine if you need to take a while to try something out -- but continuing to talk about the problem here because you aren't "fast" enough to try the solutions you're being presented with also isn't conducive to getting more help. |
| 15:24.01 | mike1o | Dewi, I guess my apt is messed up |
| 15:24.06 | aleksanteri | Sysctl___, then you can install debian, and replicate that thing and then come and ask |
| 15:24.07 | drwahl | i guess my question isnt 'should it work' (because i know it does), but 'would it work better if i reinstalled the driver' |
| 15:24.38 | Sysctl___ | ok, im on a pure debian system now... in my xen console, apt-cache search shows no kernel-headers |
| 15:24.47 | sladi | drwahl: I doubt there are special features, which would suddenly break since the cards are not that different in release date. suddenly getting feateures you donT wan't is doubtful too. you'd have to ad options for them in xorg.conf |
| 15:24.54 | defrysk | Sysctl___, linux-headers |
| 15:24.55 | stew | Sysctl___: they are named linux-headers as of 2.6.12 |
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| 15:25.07 | stew | Sysctl___: what does "uname -r" return? |
| 15:25.19 | defrysk | Sysctl___, linux-headers-'uname-r' |
| 15:25.21 | sladi | drwahl: how the cards behave should be all determined by xorg.conf |
| 15:25.22 | Sysctl___ | 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:25.25 | drwahl | sladi: ok, that is pretty much what i assumed, but you know what they say about assuming :) |
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| 15:25.40 | foobar8 | looking at http://www.onicos.com/staff/iz/formats/gzip.html ... |
| 15:25.44 | jelly | kanzure: modprobe fuse :-) |
| 15:25.45 | Dewi | defrysk, Sysctl___ : those should probably be `backticks` |
| 15:25.57 | defrysk | dewey, oops |
| 15:25.58 | sladi | drwahl: ^^^ well I went from 7600GT to 8600GT and there were no oddities. |
| 15:25.59 | drwahl | sladi: my xorg is pretty basic, i do have opengl stuff enabled (compsite and dri) |
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| 15:26.19 | defrysk | linux-headers-`uname-r` |
| 15:26.24 | kanzure | chops: curlftpfs says "ls: reading directory .: Input/output error" |
| 15:26.40 | Sysctl___ | great, thanks guys |
| 15:26.50 | chops | kanzure: Anything interesting in syslog? |
| 15:26.50 | Sysctl___ | i think that should be it |
| 15:26.54 | jelly | kanzure: can you connect with curl itself? |
| 15:27.04 | Sysctl___ | ace to you all |
| 15:27.08 | kanzure | jelly: yes |
| 15:27.09 | defrysk | drwahl, its about the driver , and both cards use the same driver |
| 15:27.15 | kanzure | chops: /var/logs/syslog ? |
| 15:27.33 | kanzure | aha |
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| 15:27.41 | mike1o | I installed package openntpd but my clock won't syncronize |
| 15:27.42 | chops | kanzure: You can also try getting debug information with curlftpfs -d -o ftpfs_debug -v |
| 15:27.43 | sladi | drwahl: http://paste.debian.net/6391/ is my xorg con. I don't use dri though |
| 15:27.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew: I installed etch r0 . But reinstalling postgresql , the trouble doesn't occur. |
| 15:28.11 | fqh | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free What is the meaning of non-free? It means "not GPL"? |
| 15:28.38 | stew | fqh: it means not compliant with the DFSG: /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 15:28.47 | philmarcracken | aight so where do wu ftpd logs reside |
| 15:28.54 | kanzure | chops: Oh, curlftpfs isn't supposed to exit? |
| 15:28.55 | stew | fqh: there are lots of free licenses besides GPL |
| 15:29.03 | sladi | drwahl: module glx is important. you can always do nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:29.06 | defrysk | drivers licence |
| 15:29.12 | kanzure | chops: "550 Permission denied" :( |
| 15:29.13 | chops | kanzure: In debug mode it doesn't |
| 15:29.24 | chops | kanzure: Did you specify the username and password correctly? |
| 15:29.33 | kanzure | chops: -o user="user:password", yes? |
| 15:29.51 | sladi | drwahl: Option"PixmapCacheSize" is new for the newest drivers |
| 15:29.54 | chops | kanzure: Should be, yes |
| 15:30.14 | blameless | heh, i didn't know tango was non-free |
| 15:30.37 | Sysctl___ | for my ubuntu host, im probably guessing im going to have to grab the kernel header deb file from my dom0 and pass it to the domU |
| 15:30.37 | stew | fqh: in some cases software in non-free actually means it costs money |
| 15:30.37 | kanzure | chops: So, now I'm trying to run the command again. It tells me: "fusermount: failed to access mountpoint /dir/to/fileserver: Transport endpoint is not connected". |
| 15:30.43 | chops | kanzure: You have to umount and remount |
| 15:30.57 | drwahl | sladi: http://pastebin.com/m203ee8b6 is mine |
| 15:31.00 | Sysctl___ | if they existed, that is... bugger |
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| 15:31.13 | chops | kanzure: It's a little awkward -- the curlftpfs program can die while the FS is still mounted, in which case you have to unmount by hand |
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| 15:32.06 | sladi | drwahl: shouldn't be a problem. the driver didn't change options I that much. |
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| 15:34.51 | fqh | stew Thanks . You means that "non-free" is not a good thing to system? I mean that I want to get a better "source" , not to "tained" the kernel . Can you introduce a "source" to me? |
| 15:35.17 | stew | fqh: a source for what? |
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| 15:35.55 | fqh | stew, sorry that my native language is not english, and the debian is newly installed. |
| 15:35.58 | chops | fqh: Most software in non-free will not taint your kernel |
| 15:36.17 | fqh | just like : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny XXX |
| 15:36.27 | jdahm | git-send-email is not giving errors but is also not sending email. I'm running lenny/unstable, is there some setting I need to change? |
| 15:36.33 | stew | fqh: you should decide for yourself if you want to use non-free software. or just be more concious about which software you install from the non-free repository. there are very widely varying licenses in non-free, some are there becuase or minor technicalities, some are there becuase they actaully want money from you |
| 15:36.38 | kanzure | chops: So, it ls'd for a few moments, but now it tells me Input/output error again. |
| 15:36.52 | stew | fqh: what software are you looking fro that you can't find in debian? |
| 15:36.58 | stew | s/fro/for/ |
| 15:37.22 | chops | kanzure: Anything interesting in the debug output? |
| 15:37.25 | kanzure | chops: Yes, as soon as I try my second ls call, it dies on me and gives the Input/output error. |
| 15:37.34 | chops | kanzure: Can you pastebin the debug output? |
| 15:37.34 | kanzure | 550 /: Permission denied. |
| 15:37.57 | kanzure | CWD / --> gives a 550 /: Permission denied. Server denied you to change to the given directory. That's basically it. |
| 15:38.14 | chops | kanzure: Can you cd / from a standard FTP client on that server? |
| 15:38.18 | kanzure | Yes. |
| 15:38.29 | kanzure | And it works. |
| 15:38.33 | fqh | stew thanks, I see |
| 15:39.06 | kanzure | goes to check on a few gels. |
| 15:39.09 | kanzure | will be back in a sec, chops |
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| 15:39.22 | chops | kanzure: Can you run a packet capture on the curlftpfs session, and see exactly what FTP commands are passing back and forth? You can pastebin the sequence of FTP commands and the debug output and I can check it out. |
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| 15:46.00 | kanzure | chops: Ah, I wasn't aware of that option. I'll take a look. |
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| 15:46.21 | chops | kanzure: k |
| 15:47.02 | kanzure | chops: Huh. I just tried to cd .. ; ls; and it worked, but going into a subdir and ls'ing doesn't (Input/output error). Odd. |
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| 15:49.32 | kanzure | chops: I can't run "-o ftpfs_debug" because I need the -o (username) parameter to specify username/password. |
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| 15:49.54 | kanzure | Hrm, another -o works. |
| 15:50.02 | Titan | what can I use to traffic shape services |
| 15:50.14 | Titan | like, cap lighttpd at 50kbps but ssh unlimited |
| 15:50.17 | Titan | trickle can't do that |
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| 15:50.50 | stew | Titan: have a look at the wondershaper package |
| 15:51.10 | Titan | thanks |
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| 15:52.09 | philmarcracken | anyone here? |
| 15:52.16 | chops | philmarcracken: no |
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| 15:52.37 | philmarcracken | so you cant help me then? ok |
| 15:52.52 | Titan | don't ask to ask |
| 15:53.09 | philmarcracken | whatever |
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| 15:54.02 | stew | philmarcracken: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 15:54.28 | kanzure | Hrm. It's a ProFTPD 1.3.0 Server |
| 15:55.01 | philmarcracken | aight |
| 15:55.57 | philmarcracken | when setting up wu ftpd for the first time, i login using some firefox ftp plugin to test, all good |
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| 15:56.09 | philmarcracken | but no access to delete, overwrite or upload |
| 15:56.22 | wng--_ | is there any way to make qemu work with debian-live x86_64 images? |
| 15:56.32 | Titan | you checked file permisions phil? |
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| 15:56.36 | philmarcracken | check logs 'access denied ' user phil has no class ' or something |
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| 15:56.51 | stew | philmarcracken: what are the permissions/ownership of the directory from which you are trying to delete files? |
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| 15:57.02 | sladi | is xf4vnc integrated in Debian? I ask because it seems to be in Suse. Also am I understanding right that I can use a graphics card remotely with xf4vnc (with opengl)? |
| 15:57.30 | philmarcracken | no idea, im a noob, the directory in question is /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 15:57.58 | stew | philmarcracken: what does "ls -ld /var/www/apache2-default" return? |
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| 15:58.23 | philmarcracken | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2002-06-15 04:44 /var/www/apache2-default |
| 15:58.37 | Titan | stew I can't find any explnation for wondershaper |
| 15:58.41 | philmarcracken | this is a vista box, im using putty |
| 15:59.17 | stew | philmarcracken: so then yes, phil is not allowed to delete/overwrite/upload files in that directory becuase phil is not the owner |
| 15:59.30 | philmarcracken | ah |
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| 16:00.11 | philmarcracken | googling ownership changings |
| 16:00.23 | stew | philmarcracken: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 16:00.33 | philmarcracken | thanks stew |
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| 16:01.11 | ampex2 | is there a way to only allow a user to see/use one program and not have access to anything else via telnet or ssh? |
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| 16:01.44 | abrotman | set their shell to the program ? |
| 16:02.14 | abrotman | for at least a novice, it would suffice to keep them in |
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| 16:02.39 | stew | ampex2: i'd recommend restricting them to logging in via ssh using an authenticated key, then you can set what command the key is allowed to execute in $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:02.50 | wng--_ | How can I run qemu in 64 bit mode in Debian Lenny? |
| 16:02.59 | abrotman | stew: that sounds like work! |
| 16:03.53 | webPragmatist | hey guys.... I am trying to backport a newer version of PHP from lenny to etch using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 16:03.54 | stew | abrotman: sometimes if you wish hard enough, your machines just starts configuring itself |
| 16:04.20 | webPragmatist | my problem is that when I use dpkg-buildpackage it asks me for a bunch of dependencies |
| 16:04.29 | ampex2 | I'm really trying to give telnet/ssh access to a machine and only allow the users to run screen and an irc client |
| 16:04.41 | abrotman | stew: click your heels together three times |
| 16:04.51 | webPragmatist | how do I satisfy those dependencies? |
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| 16:04.56 | stew | if you curse you'll catch no fish |
| 16:05.02 | Titan | aaaah wondershaper is driving me nuts? anyone has good tutorials? |
| 16:05.06 | stew | webPragmatist: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 16:05.23 | stew | Titan: did you check /usr/share/doc/wondershaper? did you look at the script itself? |
| 16:05.38 | stew | Titan: sorry , i missed your question the first time |
| 16:05.56 | Titan | I want to throttle lighttpd so it uses no more than 50kpbs bandwidth |
| 16:06.06 | Titan | and do the same for ftp services |
| 16:06.09 | ampex2 | stew: how do i go about limiting command execution with authorized_keys ? |
| 16:06.21 | hoxu | Titan, had a look at trickle? |
| 16:06.28 | stew | ampex2: with command= (man authorized_keys) |
| 16:06.28 | webPragmatist | stew: i tried that and got E: Package libcurl-dev has no installation candidate |
| 16:06.29 | Titan | yes but it can't throttle per-application |
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| 16:06.40 | webPragmatist | stew: I am assuming i have to build those from source too? |
| 16:06.40 | Titan | only prioritise |
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| 16:07.15 | stew | webPragmatist: i dont' see libcurl-dev in debian at all. what source are you trying to build? |
| 16:07.24 | stew | Titan: you can throttle per port |
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| 16:07.35 | Titan | with trickle? |
| 16:07.41 | stew | Titan: with wondershaper |
| 16:07.44 | webPragmatist | stew: php5.2.5-3 from lenny |
| 16:07.45 | Titan | can you show me how |
| 16:07.48 | Bushmills | where can i set compiler options for apt-get -b source ... ? |
| 16:07.54 | Titan | or show me good tutorial? |
| 16:08.26 | webPragmatist | stew: there's a slew of -dev packages that are dependencies |
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| 16:09.30 | stew | Titan: well i guess if you want to put a hard limit on a port, you'd have to modify the wondershaper script. lartc.org would be the place to look for docs |
| 16:09.43 | Titan | yeah I've seen http://lartc.org/manpages/tc.txt but its too confusnig |
| 16:09.44 | stew | webPragmatist: hmm, libcurl-dev doesn't seem to be in debian |
| 16:09.47 | Titan | I guess ill just have to study this |
| 16:10.09 | stew | webPragmatist: oh you should be able to satisfy that with libcurl4-openssl-dev instead though |
| 16:10.50 | webPragmatist | stew: http://pastebin.com/m5b5e4ade |
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| 16:11.12 | stew | webPragmatist: youd' have to backport libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 16:12.05 | webPragmatist | stew: once this gets moved to etch is all of what i am compiling going to be a mess? |
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| 16:12.22 | stew | webPragmatist: once what gets moved to etch? |
| 16:12.23 | webPragmatist | this meaning the lenny version |
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| 16:12.33 | stew | webPragmatist: the lenny version is never going to move to etch |
| 16:12.57 | scriptdevil | Whe I do an apt-get upgrade, it says some packages have been held back. Why so? |
| 16:13.00 | webPragmatist | oh? |
| 16:13.07 | webPragmatist | i thought they trickle down |
| 16:13.32 | scriptdevil | webPragmatist: lenny is the next release |
| 16:13.35 | stew | webPragmatist: no, once a version is released it doesn't get new versions of software unless it is necessary to fix a security bug that can't be backported to the version already in stable |
| 16:13.47 | stew | scriptdevil: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:13.50 | scriptdevil | sid trickles into lenny. Sid will never be a release.. It is the sandbox |
| 16:14.05 | Titan | why isn't there a way to make debian use bleeding edge packages like fedora |
| 16:14.12 | Bushmills | webPragmatist: was it that way, we had no etch. but still rex, bo , hamm, or all the other 1.x debians |
| 16:14.40 | scriptdevil | Titan: use unstable |
| 16:14.42 | scriptdevil | :P |
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| 16:14.44 | scriptdevil | No.. Dont |
| 16:14.47 | hoxu | !penixstrike scriptdevil |
| 16:14.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking scriptdevil to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:15.02 | webPragmatist | any idea of how long until lenny is available? |
| 16:15.02 | stew | Titan: there is |
| 16:15.05 | webPragmatist | or considered stable |
| 16:15.08 | scriptdevil | Sorry.. I said don't .. Couldn't resist |
| 16:15.12 | hoxu | webPragmatist, when it's ready |
| 16:15.21 | Bushmills | Titan: there is. but that's considered ill-advised |
| 16:15.25 | stew | webPragmatist: when it no longer has any release critical bugs |
| 16:15.30 | JonkoPAA | How do I opent an new window with screen |
| 16:15.36 | stew | webPragmatist: right now it has a little over 400 such bugs |
| 16:15.36 | Titan | ill-adviced? red hat doesn't seem to think so |
| 16:15.42 | hoxu | JonkoPAA, man screen, or ctrl-a ? |
| 16:15.50 | Bushmills | Titan: debian is not rathead |
| 16:15.50 | webPragmatist | I see |
| 16:16.00 | Titan | I know but I am interested to know the reasons |
| 16:16.02 | scriptdevil | Bushmills +1 |
| 16:16.03 | sladi | is xf4vnc integrated in Debian? I ask because it seems to be in Suse. |
| 16:16.10 | hoxu | JonkoPAA, in the latter it's the "screen" command :P |
| 16:16.11 | JonkoPAA | hoxu, i mean create a new window ? |
| 16:16.12 | stew | sladi: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:16.30 | ay^ | JonkoPAA: ctrl + a + c |
| 16:16.31 | scriptdevil | Titan: well, what do you do with "bleeding edge"? |
| 16:16.32 | webPragmatist | stew: so as lenny release bugs are taken care of are packages upgraded with it? |
| 16:16.39 | stew | Titan: becuase bugs are introduced daily. becuase it doesn't get support of the security team |
| 16:16.45 | wng--_ | How can I run qemu in 64 bit mode in Debian Lenny? |
| 16:16.46 | Bushmills | Titan: bleeding edge versions change a lot. that makes server maintance work-intense |
| 16:16.54 | hoxu | JonkoPAA, what ay^ said, but check the "ctrl-a ?" help too, it's worth your time |
| 16:17.12 | Titan | well php 5.2.6 has lot of enhancements from 5.2.0 that etch uses |
| 16:17.25 | Bushmills | Titan: it also sabotages any way to test the complete distribution, rather than individual packages only |
| 16:17.26 | stew | webPragmatist: basically, when all of the release critical bugs are gone, the links pointing stable at etch are changed to point stable at lenny instead, and a new testing is created and given a new name |
| 16:17.30 | scriptdevil | Titan: check apt-pinning |
| 16:17.35 | sladi | stew: thanks, I searched in package lists and it isn't there. I read about Suse having it integrated somehow, so you don't have to install it. I guess that's not the case in Debian. |
| 16:17.39 | webPragmatist | Titan: my issue is that php 5.2.0 is NOT PCI DSS compliant |
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| 16:17.56 | Titan | exactly, bleeding edge is important sometimes :P |
| 16:18.05 | scriptdevil | Titan: build it yourself |
| 16:18.13 | Titan | that's too much hassle |
| 16:18.17 | scriptdevil | or use a lenny apt-pin |
| 16:18.18 | webPragmatist | or someone faster than etch o.O ... not bleeding edge |
| 16:18.25 | Bushmills | Titan: as said, there is. but, who doesn't know how to is considered unfit to use it. |
| 16:18.39 | stew | Titan: stability and security are important for webservers much more consistently than bleeding edge software |
| 16:18.52 | Titan | I was just enquiring, I chose deb over gentoo/fc for reason |
| 16:18.59 | Titan | back to wondershaper |
| 16:18.59 | webPragmatist | 5.2.0 is not a secure PHP version |
| 16:19.06 | dv_ | bleeding edge is ok for your typical desktop |
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| 16:19.20 | scriptdevil | dv_: not so, imagine pam dies! |
| 16:19.25 | stew | webPragmatist: which is why debian has made a bunch of security patches to it |
| 16:19.28 | dv_ | not ok for workstations which require good reliability |
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| 16:19.33 | dv_ | and definitely not ok for servers |
| 16:19.42 | dv_ | scriptdevil, this sounds more like unstable :P |
| 16:19.47 | scriptdevil | yeah.. I remember that page about sid! |
| 16:20.02 | scriptdevil | dv_: bleeding edge mostly resides in sid |
| 16:20.03 | scriptdevil | :P |
| 16:20.09 | scriptdevil | yeah.. I remember that page about sid! |
| 16:20.30 | dv_ | for instance, I wouldn't want testing or unstable running on a NASA computer :) |
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| 16:20.50 | dv_ | "oops ... astronauts got cooked" |
| 16:21.09 | scriptdevil | rotfl @ dv_'s astro"nut" |
| 16:21.21 | spyhd3r | dv_: no, they just run outdate versions of Mandrake ;) |
| 16:21.27 | spyhd3r | (NASA) |
| 16:21.41 | spyhd3r | sorry Mandriva |
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| 16:22.06 | eshat | Hi all,... |
| 16:22.15 | dv_ | just imagine the madness happening at houston if stuff would run on vista :D |
| 16:22.44 | sladi | do you really want to launch the brake-parachute? |
| 16:22.48 | eshat | when booting into my debian lenny, my screen blinks about 7 times while console-screen.sh or console-setup is run, any ideas why ? |
| 16:22.58 | scriptdevil | dv_: A rocket countdown must start at 200, :P |
| 16:23.20 | dv_ | heh |
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| 16:23.22 | dv_ | using intel cpus |
| 16:23.28 | asdffdsa | shouldn't I have opengl support when i load the fglrx driver? |
| 16:23.36 | dv_ | 200, 199, 198.9999997, 197.999999999, 196.9696969696... |
| 16:23.41 | scriptdevil | lol |
| 16:23.59 | dv_ | asdffdsa, look in the Xorg.log |
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| 16:24.02 | dv_ | Xorg.0.log |
| 16:24.04 | scriptdevil | well.. this must go to #debian-offtopic.. we are flooding this channel :P |
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| 16:24.20 | dv_ | something like "DRI not initialized" should be in there |
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| 16:24.31 | dv_ | happens .... VERY often .... during fglrx install |
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| 16:25.53 | asdffdsa | dv_, found somthing relevant, thanks |
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| 16:26.02 | dv_ | asdffdsa, if glxinfo outputs something like "Mesa GLX Indirect" then DRI is not initialized |
| 16:26.03 | asdffdsa | seems the module is unhappy with the kernel |
| 16:26.19 | dv_ | keep trying until its something like "ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 Series" |
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| 16:28.58 | hereje | Hi all... I'm using zabbix to monitor my servers and i need to create an item to check the DNS availability in my servers... |
| 16:29.10 | hereje | ... and i was trying using net.tcp.dns[ip, zone] |
| 16:29.26 | hereje | So... What and how i must configure this line to use it ? |
| 16:29.35 | hereje | Can anybody help me ? |
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| 16:31.10 | XTZGZoReX | Can anyone help me to configure my xorg.conf correctly so that I can use startx via SSH remotely? |
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| 16:31.31 | stew | XTZGZoReX: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 16:32.43 | XTZGZoReX | K. |
| 16:33.20 | ay^ | why wouldn't yo be able to startx? |
| 16:33.36 | XTZGZoReX | sec |
| 16:33.38 | ay^ | not that I ever tried.. but it's just a command |
| 16:34.06 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: intention is, to switch remote machine to graphics mode? |
| 16:34.07 | XTZGZoReX | http://rafb.net/p/cFjno382.html |
| 16:34.09 | XTZGZoReX | thats the error |
| 16:34.31 | XTZGZoReX | Bushmills: rather just to start the x server so I can run a wine app graphically on the server without having x on this pc |
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| 16:35.15 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: you won't see the output on your local machine then. |
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| 16:35.36 | Bushmills | that's still ssh, text. |
| 16:35.41 | XTZGZoReX | Bushmills: I dont need to |
| 16:35.44 | Bushmills | ok |
| 16:35.53 | XTZGZoReX | the program is operated externally |
| 16:36.03 | stew | XTZGZoReX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:36.09 | XTZGZoReX | stew: k |
| 16:36.18 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what program is this? |
| 16:37.53 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: so if output device doesn't really matter, you could probably set it it vga.that's pretty uncritical. |
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| 16:38.56 | ryuo | I'm reviewing some debian patches, and trying to figure out which ones I need to use. are the ones commented out in the series file not used? |
| 16:38.57 | XTZGZoReX | stew: source dedicated server - windows version - and yes, im using the win32 version on purpose and with a good reason |
| 16:39.53 | XTZGZoReX | alright |
| 16:39.56 | XTZGZoReX | I did those reconfigs |
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| 16:40.02 | XTZGZoReX | but still says no screens found |
| 16:40.23 | XTZGZoReX | note: im on ssh remotely and theres no monitor at the remote pc |
| 16:40.32 | yellowfish | Hello |
| 16:40.46 | stew | XTZGZoReX: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:40.56 | sladi | couldn't you use the xorg dummy driver or use xvnc? |
| 16:40.57 | South3rn | @ Sesion 1000 Visitas mySpace - - Javi K (x«amarok) |
| 16:41.03 | XTZGZoReX | oh pleas |
| 16:41.05 | XTZGZoReX | please* |
| 16:41.06 | XTZGZoReX | no vnc |
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| 16:41.07 | XTZGZoReX | :< |
| 16:41.07 | keith4 | assuming modern hardware, is there any reason to use a filesystem specifically-designed for flash memory anymore? |
| 16:41.17 | sladi | ^^ |
| 16:41.31 | stew | ryuo: if its using quilt (which it sounds like if you are talking about debian/patches/series) then yes, patches commented out in series would not be applied |
| 16:41.44 | ryuo | stew: ah, thanks. |
| 16:41.45 | yellowfish | I've some problems with the unstable repo http://pastebin.ch/251 is there any solution? |
| 16:41.48 | stew | South3rn: turn that off in here please |
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| 16:42.09 | XTZGZoReX | what the.. |
| 16:42.10 | XTZGZoReX | GamerzWoW ~: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:42.10 | XTZGZoReX | -bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: Permission denied |
| 16:42.11 | TuniX12 | hello debian people |
| 16:42.13 | XTZGZoReX | I'm root! |
| 16:42.13 | XTZGZoReX | =O |
| 16:42.24 | XTZGZoReX | oh wait |
| 16:42.27 | XTZGZoReX | hahahaha |
| 16:42.28 | XTZGZoReX | silly me |
| 16:42.36 | prahal_ | hi I am configuring exim4 as a smarthost for yahoo plus (ssmtp only). http://www.technovelty.org/linux/tips/exim4ssmtp.html has provided a workaround though I am wondering if there is not a better option : switch mta . What do you use as a mta that could handle ssmtp ? |
| 16:42.37 | XTZGZoReX | forgot the text editor |
| 16:43.28 | XTZGZoReX | stew: my log is incredibly long |
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| 16:43.36 | XTZGZoReX | stew: any specific errors to look for? |
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| 16:44.04 | stew | XTZGZoReX: anything starting with EE |
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| 16:44.21 | sladi | yellowfish: edit /etc/apt/preferences http://blog.springenwerk.com/2008/05/speicherzugriffsfehleresen-97.html |
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| 16:45.02 | XTZGZoReX | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 16:45.03 | sladi | yellowfish: sorry it's apt.conf |
| 16:45.05 | stew | yellowfish: you should not be trying to mix stable and unstable |
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| 16:45.40 | stew | yellowfish: if you need a pacakge from usntable, use a backport, don't install the package directly: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:46.10 | XTZGZoReX | stew: that's the error |
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| 16:46.41 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yeah, that doesn't tell me very much |
| 16:46.51 | tyson_m | what's the proper place to put all my iptables configuration commands in? |
| 16:47.02 | XTZGZoReX | stew: it also says that it cant find any screens with usable config |
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| 16:47.26 | stew | XTZGZoReX: show me your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:47.40 | XTZGZoReX | stew: paste it from an ssh terminal? that'll take forever |
| 16:47.45 | XTZGZoReX | =X |
| 16:48.03 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you can upload them directly to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:48.33 | XTZGZoReX | stew: again, ssh |
| 16:48.46 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what does ssh have to do with anything? |
| 16:49.03 | XTZGZoReX | stew: im connecting to my debian server thru ssh.. |
| 16:49.10 | XTZGZoReX | i already said that |
| 16:49.13 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes, i know |
| 16:49.16 | XTZGZoReX | so copy+paste from that would take forever |
| 16:49.27 | stew | XTZGZoReX: so don't copy and paste them. upload them to http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:49.49 | XTZGZoReX | stew: wouldnt I have to have a browser on my server then? |
| 16:49.52 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 16:49.57 | XTZGZoReX | stew:I dont |
| 16:50.00 | stew | XTZGZoReX: install one |
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| 16:50.05 | tyson_m | XTZGZoReX: do you have a webserver on your system? |
| 16:50.24 | XTZGZoReX | tyson_m, yes, ill throw them into public_html |
| 16:50.27 | tyson_m | XTZGZoReX: just put the files in a web-visible directory. then you can share that link, or copy and paste them to the pastebin from your desktop. |
| 16:50.29 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i recommend w3m. link2, elinks, lynx are others you could use |
| 16:50.48 | XTZGZoReX | stew: I dont feel like using X - network hog |
| 16:51.03 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i don't blame you. which is why i'm recommending browsers that don't use X |
| 16:51.09 | tyson_m | XTZGZoReX: those are all console clients ;) |
| 16:51.10 | XTZGZoReX | stew: oh, I see |
| 16:51.23 | XTZGZoReX | that sounds quite useful actually |
| 16:51.29 | XTZGZoReX | which one'd you recommend as the best? |
| 16:51.40 | Nyle | one more thing |
| 16:51.53 | Nyle | I can't figure out how to copy in links2 using gpm |
| 16:51.53 | sladi | elinks has auto resume. I like it |
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| 16:52.04 | Nyle | you try to select the text and no go, it won't even select it |
| 16:52.08 | XTZGZoReX | stew: http://www.gamerzwow.net |
| 16:52.16 | XTZGZoReX | stew: oh, wrong link ; 66.79.171.147 |
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| 16:52.31 | Nyle | how do you hilight text in links2 in cli using gpm |
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| 16:52.59 | Nyle | meaning you can't select the text with mouse |
| 16:53.04 | XTZGZoReX | sladi: just for browsing, not downloads =P |
| 16:53.38 | webPragmatist | what's the purpose of the opt directory? |
| 16:53.47 | craigevil | gpm lets you copy/paste using mouse |
| 16:54.14 | Nyle | craigevil, I am aware of that, why don't you install links2, start it in cli, and try to copy text using mouse |
| 16:54.23 | sladi | XTZGZoReX: ^^ no I meant session resume, so you can continue browsing when quitting. |
| 16:54.24 | Nyle | it won't do it, if you are in X yeah, but no in cli |
| 16:54.34 | Nyle | unless there is some key combination I don't know about |
| 16:54.34 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
| 16:55.05 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i'd recommend removing the "UseFBDev" option and trying again |
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| 16:55.10 | infinity1 | how can i create a multifile archive like the -v option in rar? is there a way with tar? anything else? rar gives me a "not enough memory" even though i have 26 gigs in the server |
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| 16:56.20 | sladi | infinity1: 7zip is nice |
| 16:56.47 | Nyle | craigevil, any luck yet? |
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| 16:56.53 | infinity1 | sladi: okay. i'll have a look |
| 16:57.58 | XTZGZoReX | stew: K, will do |
| 16:58.21 | XTZGZoReX | stew: same error |
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| 16:59.01 | craigevil | nope i can c+p in irssi in tty1 but not using links |
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| 17:02.14 | rasker | Hi, I came across a library or tool sometime ago which I think was developed for a Debian configuration tool. It allowed the frontend to be either curses/ncurses/character as well as a normal X windows. Sorry to be so vague. Can anyone help me find this tool? |
| 17:02.47 | alturiak | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 17:03.22 | rasker | no it's the tool that is used to wite the fontend I am looking for. |
| 17:04.31 | Bushmills | rasker: you mean something like dialog/xdialog/zenity/whiptail and the like? |
| 17:06.12 | rasker | bushmills: exactly but I think this tool was specifically developed for a debian config type of application. If I remember correctly it is still under development but capable and actively used for that config app. |
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| 17:06.36 | HockeyInJune | I have associated to a wireless network, but when I run dhclient eth1, I get No DHPCOFFERS received. When I check ifconfig I see lots of errors and dropped packets on the RX.. Not sure what to do next. |
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| 17:07.04 | Bushmills | rasker: never heard of such a thing. dialog is/can be used by debian install dialogs |
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| 17:07.34 | g00se | !qotd |
| 17:07.34 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 212 (2008-04-19) |
| 17:08.04 | hoxu | !flw |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
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| 17:08.30 | rasker | thanks for trying to help. It was a shot in the dark as I think the tool I am looking for is quite obscure. Back to google... |
| 17:09.08 | g00se | !qotd0 |
| 17:09.08 | dpkg | < somian[0]> Last night the first i saw was "how do you page up / down < somian[0]> a lamer Q if ever there was one < metbsd> htat was me |
| 17:09.31 | Bushmills | rasker: you're not thinking of dselect, do you? |
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| 17:10.59 | guzu | hello all |
| 17:11.11 | Bushmills | hi, one |
| 17:11.18 | guzu | howdo i configure x in lenny? |
| 17:11.44 | guzu | old hardware |
| 17:12.03 | stew | guzu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:12.03 | Bushmills | guzu: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:12.09 | rasker | bushmills: no not dselect. It's a tool that allows one to write an app and have a frontend in the console and a frontend in X without too much extra coding. |
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| 17:13.08 | guzu | stew, dpkg* creates an almost empty xorg.conf |
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| 17:13.19 | guzu | Bushmills, thnx. |
| 17:13.30 | stew | guzu: yes, as it should |
| 17:13.42 | ampex2 | is there a way I can put the authorized_keys file in a location where they can't be accessed by users ? |
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| 17:13.48 | slim1 | hello all, is there how to customize debian for via epia, or installation on CF ? |
| 17:13.52 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: yes. |
| 17:13.57 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: you don't even have to have one |
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| 17:14.05 | rasker | bushmills: sort of like dialog and xdialog all in one |
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| 17:14.28 | ampex2 | dondelelcaro: I need an authorized_keys file to disallow users to run any commands that aren't specified in the file. But I don't want them to be able to see the file. |
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| 17:15.05 | guzu | i suppose the problem is that i have no window manager installed. i'll try fluxbox |
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| 17:21.25 | scriptdevil | I have planned to read the source codes of a few microkernels.(l4 and minix). Which IDE should I use, Even Emacs + Speedbar does not suffice. |
| 17:21.35 | manoff | is there any reason to use debian rather than ubuntu when i want to have a server machine without X? is debian faster than ubuntu? |
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| 17:22.44 | scriptdevil | manoff: I dont think so, but debian can give you a better choice while installing |
| 17:23.22 | guzu | Bushmills, i've copied xorg.conf from slack and x is just freezing |
| 17:23.28 | manoff | aha yes |
| 17:23.30 | guzu | stew^ |
| 17:23.37 | manoff | i have now switched into Debian but i dont feel comfortable as some things are different than in Ubuntu and i have get used to Ubuntu stuff |
| 17:23.42 | manoff | i am thinking of switching back to Ubuntu server |
| 17:23.54 | manoff | do you think this would be foolish? |
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| 17:24.12 | g00se | Which things are different? |
| 17:24.15 | HockeyInJune | What do I need to do to get ALL of my traffic routed through a proxy server? |
| 17:24.30 | hoxu | manoff, I'd recommend debian for server, but then again, I'd pretty much recommend it for desktop too, unless ubuntu works out of box... |
| 17:24.54 | manoff | ubuntu is quite cool and i have get used to it |
| 17:25.16 | manoff | i have tried Ubuntu 6.04, 7.xx, 8.04, Gentoo Linux and Debian now |
| 17:25.22 | scriptdevil | manoff: Cool is relative.. and it doesn't actually pay to have a cool server |
| 17:25.27 | manoff | Ubuntu i have felt most comfortable with |
| 17:25.32 | Bushmills | manoff: good bye |
| 17:25.58 | manoff | Bushmills: im sorry sir have i somehow offended you? |
| 17:26.02 | chops | !tell manoff about why debian |
| 17:26.10 | hoxu | manoff, no you haven't, but maybe you should ;) |
| 17:26.18 | manoff | why? |
| 17:26.23 | manoff | please make me understand |
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| 17:26.33 | manoff | i want to learn linux |
| 17:26.40 | chops | manoff: You're likely to find most people in #debian think Debian is better for desktop use, just as most people in #ubuntu think Ubuntu is better for server use |
| 17:26.42 | hoxu | dpkg, make manoff understand |
| 17:26.42 | dpkg | hoxu: are you using Windows? |
| 17:26.42 | Bushmills | manoff: no, not in the least. that's my way to suggest to you that you're off topic |
| 17:26.58 | manoff | aha yes i see |
| 17:27.03 | hoxu | that's not off topic |
| 17:27.12 | hoxu | it's perfectly on topic, asking whether debian is the right choice |
| 17:27.16 | hoxu | and the answer is yes |
| 17:27.23 | hoxu | !enter |
| 17:27.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:27.39 | g00se | manoff: i want to learn too. What's 'different' about the Ubuntu server? |
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| 17:27.42 | simonrvn | yeh hoxu, stop hitting enter so much :P |
| 17:27.53 | hoxu | simonrvn, can I hit ravenbird instead? :| |
| 17:27.59 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 17:28.02 | manoff | g00se: mainly cosmetic |
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| 17:28.11 | manoff | g00se: i have just get used to way ubuntu handles things |
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| 17:28.40 | scriptdevil | manoff: what ways? Especially without that brown UI, i wont recognize a ubuntu |
| 17:28.42 | hoxu | manoff, if it's a cosmetic feeling, then go for debian, because server is where debian excels at, I dare to say it's more reliable than ubuntu |
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| 17:29.00 | RandomTask | Hello ... |
| 17:29.00 | manoff | hoxu: what is that based on, Sir? |
| 17:29.19 | g00se | scriptdevil: exactly my point ;-) |
| 17:29.22 | manoff | scriptdevil: well rather the way that there is no 'root' account on Ubuntu so to peak |
| 17:29.23 | hoxu | manoff, what is my opinion based on, you ask? |
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| 17:29.25 | manoff | *speak |
| 17:29.33 | manoff | hoxu: i do |
| 17:29.34 | scriptdevil | manoff: years of experience and debian's reputation... |
| 17:29.35 | guzu | this is interesting: system is not frozen but c-a-bspce is not killing x |
| 17:29.37 | RandomTask | hello just a quick question ... the network install disk doesn't find my on board eth card for a dell inspiron 530 ... should i try a different install? |
| 17:29.43 | HockeyInJune | What do I need to do to get ALL of my traffic routed through a proxy server? Things like wget, apt-get, etc. |
| 17:29.48 | manoff | scriptdevil: and the sudo thing |
| 17:29.51 | hoxu | manoff, personal experience, but I don't have that as much experience of ubuntu as I have of debian |
| 17:29.56 | chops | guzu: Perhaps X is dead already, and you're stuck on a dead VT |
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| 17:29.57 | manoff | hoxu: i see |
| 17:30.04 | g00se | manoff: You're right - that IS cosmetic ;-) |
| 17:30.09 | manoff | hoxu: the same is for me but Ubuntu i have more experience about, good sir |
| 17:30.16 | manoff | g00se: use indeed |
| 17:30.43 | hoxu | manoff, the sudo thing isn't anything ubuntu-specific, it just contains a little different defaults, and that's it |
| 17:30.43 | manoff | yeah |
| 17:30.44 | guzu | chops, c-a-f1 is also useless |
| 17:30.46 | Bushmills | HockeyInJune: "transparent proxy", through iptables port redirection, for example |
| 17:30.51 | chops | guzu: You can ssh in and try chvt |
| 17:30.56 | manoff | and there are some commands which are in different places in ubuntu than in debian |
| 17:31.11 | HockeyInJune | ah okay |
| 17:31.11 | scriptdevil | guzu: open a terminal and type init 3 |
| 17:31.12 | manoff | when i hit "poweroff" without sudo in debian it says there is no such command! |
| 17:31.16 | chops | guzu: Sometimes c-a-f1 will be inoperative on a dead VT. |
| 17:31.24 | scriptdevil | manoff: of course |
| 17:31.27 | manoff | but there are just minorities i see |
| 17:31.27 | HockeyInJune | thanks, Bushmills |
| 17:31.31 | scriptdevil | try fdisk on ubuntu without sudo |
| 17:31.32 | Bushmills | yw |
| 17:31.46 | manoff | scriptdevil: in ubuntu it only says you cannot access that good isr |
| 17:31.47 | manoff | *sir |
| 17:31.53 | chops | guzu: Of course, maybe the kernel's VT system is deadlocked or something |
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| 17:32.02 | g00se | manoff: exactly as it should be. The problem is that by default i bet anyone can sudo poweroff |
| 17:32.05 | guzu | the fun of using lenny :) |
| 17:32.11 | scriptdevil | manoff: stop saying sir :P |
| 17:32.15 | manoff | ok i will |
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| 17:32.29 | XTZGZoReX | what part of /etc/X11/Xsession should I comment out to stop startx from starting KDE? |
| 17:32.33 | J_P | hey all, what package that I need install to works for when I press button for shutdown, system will be halt, without halt command ? |
| 17:32.36 | manoff | g00se: in ubuntu you can sudo only when in admin groups |
| 17:32.43 | guzu | hwever, i'm not exactly experienced in debian, so i've installed x wit apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:32.52 | guzu | maybe i've missed something |
| 17:32.53 | g00se | manoff: Oh OK - that's something |
| 17:33.05 | stew | manoff: you can get the same behavior from sudo in debian just by copying /etc/sudoers |
| 17:33.06 | manoff | i only mean that there are minorities which confuse me at the moment |
| 17:33.13 | stew | guzu: which driver are you using? |
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| 17:33.29 | manoff | and therefore i dont feel completely comfortable with my system which is my goal of course |
| 17:33.37 | scriptdevil | manoff: gnu/linux is just gnu/linux... if you are a zen master at ubuntu, being a noob at debian doesnt help, otherwise, debian is gonna teach you some stuff.. so I recommend it |
| 17:33.41 | guzu | stew, let me reboot first. it's either vesa or trident |
| 17:33.58 | manoff | yeah i see your point |
| 17:34.08 | guzu | oh, _maybe_ ctrl-alt-del is working ... |
| 17:34.10 | XTZGZoReX | anyone? =X |
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| 17:34.33 | scriptdevil | XTZGZoReX: make a custom .xinitrc |
| 17:34.37 | hoxu | manoff, you don't feel comfortable with something you haven't used enough to feel comfortable ;) |
| 17:34.42 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you shouldn't touch /etc/X11/Xsession ; create a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession that does what you want when X starts |
| 17:34.44 | guzu | indeed, the display is stucked but the keyboard is alive |
| 17:34.44 | manoff | indeed |
| 17:34.46 | XTZGZoReX | scriptdevil: so in other words, dont launch Xsession at all? |
| 17:35.07 | scriptdevil | XTZGZoReX: xinitrc is read before Xsession.. Xsession is like a default case |
| 17:35.08 | stew | XTZGZoReX: no, that is not what he is saying |
| 17:35.31 | scriptdevil | stew: err.. correct me if i am wrong |
| 17:35.39 | scriptdevil | :) |
| 17:35.50 | J_P | anyone know what is the package for halt machine pressing power button ? |
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| 17:36.05 | morla | helo |
| 17:36.09 | manoff | i am not sure have i set up my sudoers file in correct manner that it is safe, in ubuntu i can se assume it is correct :) |
| 17:36.16 | manoff | this gives me some bad feelings |
| 17:36.24 | XTZGZoReX | stew: I dont really want my X to do anything - just start without launching kde/gnome/anything else |
| 17:37.01 | scriptdevil | XTZGZoReX: I dont get you.. |
| 17:37.06 | scriptdevil | What should it run? |
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| 17:37.07 | manoff | also the root account gives me some chills as i did not have that on my ubuntu |
| 17:37.14 | g00se | manoff: there's nothing inherently safe about allowing sudo anything to admin |
| 17:37.15 | XTZGZoReX | scriptdevil: nothing! :) thats my point |
| 17:37.17 | Bushmills | manoff: consider any machine with local accounts as potentially compromised. sudo file "safe" or not. |
| 17:37.21 | XTZGZoReX | scriptdevil: currently, it starts a kde session |
| 17:37.26 | morla | do i miss security related updates if i only have security.debian.org repos in my sources.list??? |
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| 17:37.33 | stew | manoff: what do you mean "i didn't not have that"? you didn't have what? chills? |
| 17:37.41 | scriptdevil | XTZGZoReX: How can it run nothing? You mean plain xterm? |
| 17:37.49 | manoff | in ubuntu root is disabled |
| 17:37.52 | stew | manoff: if you only have security.debian.org, you won't be able to install new software |
| 17:37.52 | hoxu | morla, what debian branch/version are you running? |
| 17:38.00 | scriptdevil | XTZGZoReX: or do you mean at startup? |
| 17:38.05 | XTZGZoReX | scriptdevil: I dont know - I just want my X to startup and be able to handle me opening a Wine app - KDE isnt required for that, is it? |
| 17:38.15 | hoxu | stew, wrong target again ;) |
| 17:38.27 | manoff | stew: they dont have root account in ubuntu you see |
| 17:38.30 | stew | morla: if you only have security.debian.org, you won't be able to install new software |
| 17:38.34 | stew | morla: yes they do |
| 17:38.35 | stew | ugh |
| 17:38.38 | stew | manoff: yes they do |
| 17:38.41 | manoff | in debian i have root + my other account with sudo access |
| 17:38.50 | hoxu | chuckles |
| 17:38.50 | manoff | stew: no they dont you cannot login with it |
| 17:38.51 | Bushmills | manoff: do ps aux, and you see that there are processes, running under owner "root" . so root is not really disabled. |
| 17:39.07 | manoff | i have installed debian at the moment |
| 17:39.09 | hoxu | manoff, really? What does "sudo su" do? |
| 17:39.18 | manoff | hoxu: dunno |
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| 17:39.39 | g00se | manoff: try it in Ubuntu |
| 17:39.41 | stew | well i guess it is silly to try to convince him he is wrong about how ubuntu works here... |
| 17:39.50 | manoff | i dont have ubuntu i told you |
| 17:40.08 | g00se | manoff: when you do |
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| 17:40.13 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i'd recommend creating a ~/.xsession which contains the command you want to have run when x starts, for intsance, a window manager |
| 17:40.30 | XTZGZoReX | stew: is a window manager required to run a Wine app in X? |
| 17:40.33 | ftp3 | i cant recall.. what is the apt-get <name here> to install the common things (gcc stuff, etc) that are missing from a base debian install? |
| 17:40.34 | manoff | i mean that i know there is a root but you dont need to login to it |
| 17:40.35 | stew | XTZGZoReX: no |
| 17:40.36 | morla | stew: hum, tahts ok, i only want my servers to installupdates if they are sec relevant |
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| 17:40.39 | morla | hoxu: ^ |
| 17:40.46 | morla | stable |
| 17:40.47 | manoff | ftp3: build-essential |
| 17:40.49 | XTZGZoReX | stew: so basically just an empty .xsession so I can run my Wine app? |
| 17:40.50 | ftp3 | yes! |
| 17:40.52 | ftp3 | thank you! |
| 17:41.02 | guzu | stew, i've tried both vesa and trident, ended with blank screen |
| 17:41.10 | hoxu | morla, that's okay then I think, though I think it's a bit weird to keep just security sources |
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| 17:41.25 | morla | hoxu: why? |
| 17:41.43 | morla | hoxu: its a server, i would like to test normal updates before applaying them,, |
| 17:42.00 | hoxu | morla, oh, I'm assuming you are installing all updates by default then? |
| 17:42.11 | morla | no |
| 17:42.12 | hoxu | hum, automatically |
| 17:42.13 | morla | ;D |
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| 17:42.23 | RandomTask | hello just a quick question ... the network install disk doesn't find my on board eth card for a dell inspiron 530 ... should i try a different install? |
| 17:42.30 | morla | i do it manually, but security updates < updates |
| 17:42.33 | hoxu | morla, then I don't understand... use aptitude, the security updates will go to the security category |
| 17:42.41 | morla | tahts why i like it, not much stuff to check teher |
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| 17:43.02 | g00se | morla: what would happen if a security fix required a new package? |
| 17:43.14 | morla | hoxu: ah, k . im sticked to apt-get update |
| 17:43.15 | Bushmills | manoff: say, you'd lock root account (meaning, there'll be no password to login as root). that doesn't mean that now your system is magically protected against exploits, attempting to become root, and running as root if the manage, |
| 17:43.15 | morla | :) |
| 17:43.20 | stew | g00se: it would be in security.debian.org, like openssh-blacklist is |
| 17:43.21 | morla | upgrade even |
| 17:43.36 | g00se | stew: ah |
| 17:43.47 | stew | XTZGZoReX: it sounds like you really do want .xinitrc and not .xsession. i'm not sure if a blank file would work or not |
| 17:44.09 | morla | hoxu: ill give aptitude a try, ty |
| 17:44.11 | morla | :) |
| 17:44.11 | chops | morla: Sounds like you want dist-upgrade, not upgrade. Some security updates _do_ require new packages. |
| 17:44.14 | manoff | Bushmills: okay |
| 17:44.27 | hoxu | manoff, just go for debian, simonrvn can !comfort you when you run into scary things ;) |
| 17:44.40 | morla | chops: shouldnt apt complain then? |
| 17:44.42 | XTZGZoReX | stew: problem is that upon typing startx, xserver starts a kde session which is.. redundant |
| 17:44.47 | manoff | Bushmills: i only said that it gave me some chills hat suddenly now i have root account with password :) |
| 17:44.49 | morla | if it needs other packages? |
| 17:44.51 | sladi | J_P: IIRC acpid has powerbutton.sh where you can do a lot |
| 17:44.53 | manoff | that* |
| 17:45.05 | manoff | hoxu: okay |
| 17:45.20 | guzu | what's the official way to install x in lenny? |
| 17:45.25 | Bushmills | manoff, passwd -l can lock it. |
| 17:45.26 | chops | morla: Not really. I don't remember exactly what it says, but it certainly doesn't say "You need package X to be installed for a security upgrade but I'm not doing it because you specified upgrade and not dist-upgrade". |
| 17:45.32 | stew | XTZGZoReX: try an empty .xinitrc. if that doens't work, you can stick something like "xeyes" in there to give it SOMETHING to run |
| 17:45.39 | stew | guzu: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:46.06 | morla | chops: where is the exact difference when using dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:46.08 | Bushmills | but that's good against your chills, mostly |
| 17:46.17 | XTZGZoReX | stew: K, thanks |
| 17:46.24 | XTZGZoReX | also, what in the world is dbus-daemon? =O |
| 17:46.27 | chops | morla: dist-upgrade is willing to install or remove packages to resolve problems, upgrade is limited to strictly upgrading packages to new versions |
| 17:46.28 | morla | chops: i guess it wont help me if i only got sec.deb in my list?! |
| 17:46.33 | guzu | stew, thnx |
| 17:46.44 | micols__ | anybody know how to define multiple smtp servers with postfix (i want to use one as my private smtp server with my private isp and then i want to use smtp.gmail.com for my mutt email with a gmail domain) |
| 17:46.45 | chops | morla: Why wouldn't that help? You said you wanted only security updates, right? |
| 17:46.48 | morla | chops: kk, thats what i thought |
| 17:46.48 | micols__ | ? |
| 17:46.57 | morla | chops: yepp. |
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| 17:47.20 | samael | hello |
| 17:47.21 | morla | chops: ah, i think i get you. |
| 17:47.37 | morla | chops: it will then eventually complain about mising packages?! |
| 17:47.38 | J_P | sladi: where are this file ? Because I did "find / -name powerbutton.sh" and not find the file! |
| 17:47.53 | arikonm | hi all. I've just noticed, that apt tries to install recommended packages too by default. how can I disable this? |
| 17:47.59 | micols__ | basically i just want to be able to have 2 accounts with my mutt, one is normal pop3 (private) and one is imap (imap.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com for sending) i want to send with my corporate email as (from field) using smtp.gmail.com |
| 17:48.04 | chops | morla: If you _only_ have security, and not stable, and you plan to install packages at some point, then yes, it may complain that it can't install the package you're trying to install. |
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| 17:48.11 | chops | morla: The solution to that is to add stable sources. |
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| 17:48.34 | morla | chops: im scared... |
| 17:48.36 | guzu | stew, blank screen :( |
| 17:48.44 | morla | chops: i dont want NON sec updates... |
| 17:48.50 | morla | only if required |
| 17:48.52 | guzu | stew, after aptitude* |
| 17:49.05 | wols | arikonm: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 17:49.15 | chops | morla: Stable gets only the most critical of non-security updates. If you like, you can install apt-listchanges and look at exactly what changes are being included in the updates. |
| 17:49.17 | Bushmills | micols__: it's not my business to comment on your smtp mailer choice but ... do you think that corporate mail though google is such a good idea? |
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| 17:49.40 | morla | chops: cool. ty so much |
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| 17:49.48 | samael | apple/PPC laptop with 256M on board + 1G DIMM. free(1) shows only 754M. any idea on where is the rest? |
| 17:49.55 | chops | morla: New stable point releases (which are the only time stable will include non-security updates) only happen a few times a year, and each one only includes a handful of non-security updates. |
| 17:50.01 | arikonm | wols, echo APT::Install-Recommends "false"; > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/foo ? |
| 17:50.04 | morla | chops: still im scared of changes i havnt got under control |
| 17:50.19 | morla | :D |
| 17:50.25 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stew: I didn't post my trouble to bugzilla but my blog: http://www.chanel.ath.cx/ . What do you think about it? |
| 17:50.25 | morla | chops: kk |
| 17:50.32 | wols | arikonm: yes, but check your bash syntax first. maybe use an editor? |
| 17:50.38 | chops | morla: If you like, you can add stable sources, run 'aptitude dist-upgrade', pastebin the full output before saying "yes" to the changes, and I'll talk to you about all the updates it wants to install |
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| 17:51.19 | morla | chops: nah, ty, its ok, im not that new to it, i was just wondering if im missing something |
| 17:51.20 | arikonm | ok, I was just trying to ask that wether the input filename count or not |
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| 17:52.00 | morla | chops: is there a simple way to log every package chage made by apt? |
| 17:52.09 | chops | morla: It's in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:52.11 | morla | or is this apt-listchanges |
| 17:52.27 | morla | chops: kk, one sec bro |
| 17:52.33 | chops | morla: apt-listchanges will show you what's changed in every package that gets upgraded, and then (optionally) will ask you if you want to continue with the upgrade |
| 17:52.33 | XTZGZoReX | stew: have time to look at some logs from my startx? it seems to crash, still |
| 17:52.48 | morla | chops: perfect dude |
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| 17:54.23 | morla | chops: ill have a look at aptitude too... |
| 17:54.29 | XTZGZoReX | stew: if yes, http://66.79.171.147 |
| 17:54.36 | morla | chops: i really appreciate your help, |
| 17:54.40 | chops | morla: np |
| 17:54.42 | morla | thank you |
| 17:54.42 | morla | !! |
| 17:54.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:54.55 | morla | <>!! |
| 17:55.14 | XTZGZoReX | !! |
| 17:55.14 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:55.16 | XTZGZoReX | haha |
| 17:55.17 | morla | lol |
| 17:55.20 | morla | !! |
| 17:55.29 | morla | 19:55:20 Irssi: Starting query in freenode with dpkg |
| 17:55.29 | morla | 19:55:20 <dpkg> Someone already said that 6 seconds ago |
| 17:55.31 | morla | hahhaha |
| 17:55.37 | morla | BOT WARZ |
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| 17:55.48 | hoxu | morla, uh, hit on the bot in the private, thanks |
| 17:55.59 | ay^ | ihk heeb een bot! |
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| 17:56.16 | morla | hoxu: i just loled about him, ima not hittin ;) |
| 17:56.54 | abrotman | morla: knock it off |
| 17:57.23 | stew | guzu: check what resolution the server is running at, perhaps it is somehting your monitor can't handle |
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| 17:57.37 | guzu | stew, 800x600 |
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| 17:57.50 | sladi | J_P: IIRC acpid package has it |
| 17:57.57 | guzu | the laptop is old but not that old |
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| 17:58.28 | hyper__ch | hiho, just a question: when I install debian from the netboot cd it will first install the base system then you get to an option for deskop, email server, webserver, ..... and at the bottom you have also "base system" again. what happens if I uncheck that? |
| 17:58.28 | stew | guzu: can you show us the output of "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:58.35 | stew | XTZGZoReX: i don't see anything wrong there |
| 17:58.47 | arikonm | http://hup.hu/node/56607#comment-579907 ezt tok mind1, milyen fajlba irom bele /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ alatt? |
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| 17:58.55 | XTZGZoReX | stew: startx simply closes after that last line |
| 17:59.02 | arikonm | ups, sorry, wrong channel :D |
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| 17:59.26 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what is in ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 17:59.35 | XTZGZoReX | stew: empty |
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| 18:00.31 | stew | XTZGZoReX: that is probably why. try making it "xeyes" or "xmessage foo" or something that will keep running. |
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| 18:00.50 | justin | stew: deleting it would probably work better :) |
| 18:00.59 | stew | justin: he doesn't want to run Xsession |
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| 18:01.25 | XTZGZoReX | stew: sorry - .xinitrc doesnt exist - .xsession does, and its empty |
| 18:01.27 | stew | justin: he just needs to keep an empty xserver running |
| 18:01.28 | justin | stew: oh, he is confused I see :) |
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| 18:01.30 | sladi | hyper__ch: you can still install packages with that |
| 18:01.30 | XTZGZoReX | stew: still do the same? |
| 18:01.34 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 18:01.39 | XTZGZoReX | k |
| 18:01.40 | justin | XTZGZoReX: empty .xsession = empty X session = no X session |
| 18:01.47 | chops | stew: He's going to have to run the WM from .xinitrc, or _something_ |
| 18:01.53 | stew | justin: he just needs an xserver running so wine can pop up a window that will not do anything |
| 18:02.00 | XTZGZoReX | so specifying xeyes in .xsession will allow me to start wine apps later on? |
| 18:02.02 | chops | XTZGZoReX: If you just want to run a bare X, you can put 'cat' in .xinitrc :-) |
| 18:02.03 | XTZGZoReX | as long as x is running? |
| 18:02.11 | H2S04 | weeeeeeeeee |
| 18:02.18 | Bushmills | he can startx /usr/bin/xterm |
| 18:02.20 | hyper__ch | sladi: hmmm... well, I just wanna try if I can setup a network-bootable fully encrypted system... so I just wondered whether I need the "base system" |
| 18:02.30 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yeah, and like chops said, 'cat' is enough |
| 18:02.32 | justin | hyper__ch: you don't need anything |
| 18:02.39 | stew | XTZGZoReX: but you'd probably want .xinitrc not .xsession |
| 18:02.46 | hyper__ch | justin: thx :) |
| 18:02.50 | XTZGZoReX | stew: seems to do the same thing though? |
| 18:02.57 | stew | XTZGZoReX: which? |
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| 18:02.59 | sladi | hyper__ch: you'll have a basic system with editor and aptitude, network etc. ^^ |
| 18:03.05 | XTZGZoReX | stew: .xsession and .xinitrc |
| 18:03.18 | stew | no |
| 18:03.23 | hyper__ch | sladi: ok, that's all I need then :) |
| 18:03.31 | sladi | hyper__ch: so yes, you can uncheck everything |
| 18:03.35 | XTZGZoReX | oh and |
| 18:03.46 | XTZGZoReX | why do I have a million of "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session" running? |
| 18:04.02 | hyper__ch | sladi: what does the "base system" then install additionally? Just out of curiosity |
| 18:04.03 | J_P | sladi: yes, I install it and works :-) thanks |
| 18:04.11 | stew | XTZGZoReX: becuase you are using .xsession instead of .xinitrc so everything in /etc/X11/Xsession.d is being started |
| 18:04.26 | XTZGZoReX | stew: can I kill all those dbus's then? |
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| 18:04.45 | stew | XTZGZoReX: sure |
| 18:04.53 | sladi | hyper__ch: i dunno but I guess it should be visible in aptitude in TASKS category ^^ |
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| 18:05.10 | hyper__ch | sladi: will have a look then :) thx |
| 18:05.16 | sladi | J_P: np :) |
| 18:05.18 | tyson_m | anyone know why sendmail to user@localhost gets to their maildir, but just to 'user' does not? (Debian etch using courier) |
| 18:05.25 | sladi | hyper__ch: np :) |
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| 18:05.38 | JyZyXEL | where are the /etc/init.d/ that start at the system startup? |
| 18:05.45 | XTZGZoReX | stew: X is running on my server but wine keeps wanting to use my local one (which is off on purpose!): X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 18:05.53 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: in /etc/init.d |
| 18:05.54 | wols | JyZyXEL: in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:06.06 | JyZyXEL | really? |
| 18:06.10 | JyZyXEL | they all start at startup |
| 18:06.28 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 18:06.31 | wols | JyZyXEL: reread you question again very carefully |
| 18:06.33 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: not necessarily, but that's where all of the scripts that start at startup are located. |
| 18:06.50 | stew | XTZGZoReX: that sounds like you are trying to forward X over ssh |
| 18:06.56 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what does "echo $DISPLAY" return? |
| 18:07.03 | JyZyXEL | uh..huh.. |
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| 18:07.15 | JyZyXEL | what runlevel is the startup one? |
| 18:07.27 | XTZGZoReX | stew: I wanted wine to use the X on the server not the one on my pc; sec |
| 18:07.30 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: S and whatever runlevel is the one that it's starting. |
| 18:07.40 | stew | XTZGZoReX: then set the DISPLAY environment variable to :0 |
| 18:07.40 | XTZGZoReX | stew: localhost:10.0 |
| 18:07.49 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: /etc/inittab tells you all about it. |
| 18:08.02 | ay^ | or launch ssh with -x? |
| 18:08.22 | stew | XTZGZoReX: that is probably your ssh server trying to tunnel X11 back to the machine you are sshing from |
| 18:08.39 | guzu | stew, can't open display :0 |
| 18:08.39 | ay^ | launch == login |
| 18:08.39 | n3kl | isn't it -X |
| 18:08.48 | XTZGZoReX | stew: yeah, disabled it, lemme try now |
| 18:08.59 | ay^ | n3kl: -X is if you WANT to forward -x is NOT fo forward :) |
| 18:09.05 | stew | XTZGZoReX: it doesn't matter if you disable it or not, you have to set the DISPLAY environment variable to :0 |
| 18:09.05 | n3kl | right |
| 18:09.06 | ay^ | *to |
| 18:09.25 | XTZGZoReX | stew: command to set it is? =o |
| 18:09.52 | stew | XTZGZoReX: "DISPLAY=:0 somecommand" to set it just for one command. "export DISPLAY=:0" to set it for a session |
| 18:09.56 | n3kl | XTZGZoReX: DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:10.20 | XTZGZoReX | so stew: inset "export DISPLAY=:0" into .bash_profile to automatically do it on login? |
| 18:10.29 | simonrvn | wouldn't it be :0.0 ? |
| 18:10.49 | stew | simonrvn: same thing |
| 18:10.50 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 18:11.01 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:11.16 | XTZGZoReX | stew: wine gives me: Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. |
| 18:11.30 | XTZGZoReX | stew: $DISPLAY = :0.0 |
| 18:11.31 | hyper__ch | sladi: hmmm, couldn't find that task in aptitude |
| 18:11.42 | stew | simonrvn: or even more accurately DISPLAY=unix:0.0 :) |
| 18:11.53 | stew | XTZGZoReX: no |
| 18:11.56 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
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| 18:12.02 | XTZGZoReX | stew: no, to? |
| 18:12.14 | stew | <XTZGZoReX> stew: $DISPLAY = :0.0 |
| 18:12.14 | GuySoft | hi all, does anyone know here how i stop ifplugd from beeping all the time? |
| 18:12.28 | stew | XTZGZoReX: or what did you mean by that? was it a question? |
| 18:12.32 | simonrvn | tell it to shut up |
| 18:12.33 | sladi | hyper__ch: sorry, I'm new to linux. I installed my system without anyithing selected in the installer and added afterwards what I needed |
| 18:12.39 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:12.39 | XTZGZoReX | stew: that was to tell what the var was set to |
| 18:12.54 | hyper__ch | sladi: ok :) no worries :) |
| 18:13.07 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what does "echo $DISPLAY" return now? |
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| 18:13.30 | XTZGZoReX | stew: :0, as I set it to that instead - that was what you first suggested |
| 18:13.42 | sladi | hyper__ch: but I guess it should be the base category in patitude ^^ (under admin) |
| 18:13.50 | sladi | hyper__ch: after admin |
| 18:14.08 | buntfalke | isnt there a gcj-doc which always depends on tha latest gcj-VER-doc? |
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| 18:14.19 | hyper__ch | sladi: oh well, it's not that important... I was just curious |
| 18:14.20 | stew | XTZGZoReX: and what happens now if you start wine? |
| 18:14.37 | XTZGZoReX | stew: same, asks me to check x server |
| 18:14.38 | sladi | hyper__ch: ok :) |
| 18:14.44 | XTZGZoReX | stew: btw, x says this: "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable" - is that bad? |
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| 18:15.00 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:15.01 | buntfalke | hm |
| 18:15.21 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what happens if you run 'xterm' |
| 18:15.32 | XTZGZoReX | command not found :) |
| 18:15.42 | stew | XTZGZoReX: how about "xmessage foo" |
| 18:15.42 | XTZGZoReX | installs |
| 18:15.48 | stew | don't bother |
| 18:15.52 | XTZGZoReX | Error: Can't open display: |
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| 18:16.10 | XTZGZoReX | nothing after "Can't open display:" |
| 18:16.16 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what happens when you run "echo $DISPLAY" |
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| 18:16.24 | XTZGZoReX | :0 |
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| 18:17.10 | stew | XTZGZoReX: can you run 'export DISPLAY" and try again? |
| 18:17.24 | XTZGZoReX | stew: without defining it? just export it? |
| 18:17.46 | manu_hack | hi, just got Segmentation faulty tree from apt-get upgrade, googling there is a solution saying deleting /var/cache/apt/*.bin should solve the problem, just want to confirm ... |
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| 18:18.15 | poseidon | Whats a good c++ ide? |
| 18:18.20 | XTZGZoReX | stew: exported it with "export DISPLAY" |
| 18:18.27 | hyper__ch | poseidon: vi |
| 18:18.29 | Firefishe | poseidon: kdevelop or Eclipse |
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| 18:19.01 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes, without redefining it |
| 18:19.03 | Firefishe | Eclipse is more or less java centric, but it does have a C++ interface. KDevelop is pretty straightforward, and not as heavy on resources as Eclipse. |
| 18:19.03 | poseidon | Does code::blocks work on debian? |
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| 18:19.09 | stew | XTZGZoReX: or while redefining it, doesn't matter |
| 18:19.10 | XTZGZoReX | stew: that is done - retry wine now? |
| 18:19.13 | stew | sure |
| 18:19.15 | XTZGZoReX | k |
| 18:19.42 | XTZGZoReX | Wow. |
| 18:19.43 | XTZGZoReX | Let's see. |
| 18:19.46 | meme22 | when installing redhat, you can type "linux dd" to load a driver disk before install, is there any way to do this in debian? |
| 18:19.49 | XTZGZoReX | I think the app booted correctly. |
| 18:19.53 | XTZGZoReX | pings it. |
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| 18:20.34 | justin | XTZGZoReX: do you need to see this app, or just run it? |
| 18:20.43 | meme22 | I need to install a driver so that it recognizes the RAID configuration |
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| 18:20.58 | XTZGZoReX | justin: just run it, thats why I do it thru ssh |
| 18:21.43 | justin | XTZGZoReX: then use Xvfb |
| 18:21.48 | larsl | Are there any PDF viewers that can show all pages in a document in a grid, with arbitrary zoom level? |
| 18:21.56 | XTZGZoReX | justin: the app is already running fine with this method, it seems |
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| 18:22.49 | chops | meme22: There should be a stage of the Debian install where you get to load extra modules that are needed |
| 18:22.53 | justin | XTZGZoReX: it will run fine with Xvfb too, but then you dont need to run X |
| 18:22.56 | chops | meme22: It's not a boot option that I know of |
| 18:23.04 | XTZGZoReX | justin: dont worry about that :) |
| 18:23.07 | poseidon | ls |
| 18:23.25 | XTZGZoReX | stew: the app seems to boot but it doesnt seem like it starts up correctly as I cannot connect to it |
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| 18:23.40 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what is 'the app'? |
| 18:23.46 | Decepticon | i am ssh'd into a computer in the terminal, but sometimes it will drop my connection. how can i reconnect automatically (and the password? how shall i enter it automatically) |
| 18:23.49 | XTZGZoReX | stew: win32 source dedicated server |
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| 18:24.52 | stew | XTZGZoReX: is there a reason you are running win32 software when they offer a linux version? |
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| 18:25.00 | XTZGZoReX | stew: most definitely |
| 18:25.03 | Bushmills | Decepticon: screen / autossh / openvpn are the options. with openvpn, the session just continues as it was never interrupted. |
| 18:25.12 | XTZGZoReX | stew: "Garry's Mod" does not have any Linux binaries, sadly |
| 18:25.30 | XTZGZoReX | stew: If it did, I would not have gone thru all this pain. :( |
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| 18:26.00 | Bushmills | Decepticon: i suppose any other tunnel would do too. |
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| 18:26.27 | Decepticon | autossh will log me automatically after i am dropped for timeout? |
| 18:26.36 | Decepticon | (screen i already have,) |
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| 18:26.47 | Decepticon | i do not want to go throught the hassle of setting openvpn up |
| 18:26.55 | Bushmills | Decepticon: yes. but you still want to run screen on the remote side |
| 18:27.09 | XTZGZoReX | stew: as said, the app seems to boot fine - gives me the usual consoles messages (a few wine display bugs, nothing that has ever bothered me), but I cant connect to it =X |
| 18:27.13 | Decepticon | Bushmills lets say i do not have any control on the remote side |
| 18:27.30 | Decepticon | (ie: to install things) |
| 18:27.44 | Bushmills | Decepticon: you only don't have if you can't log in remotely |
| 18:28.37 | Bushmills | autossh runs on youir local machine |
| 18:28.44 | ay^ | deception you can set the server up to allow key-files |
| 18:29.07 | ay^ | Decepticon: and perhaps somehow configure a empty key to be autoentered |
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| 18:29.47 | Decepticon | in my mind i had two plans, ssh keys or a script that auto ssh's me to the remote machine after notcing a disconnect |
| 18:29.57 | Decepticon | Bushmills i will look more at autosssh |
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| 18:30.50 | Bushmills | Decepticon: a loop, such as while : ; do ssh remote ... ; sleep 5 ; done could also do ... |
| 18:31.11 | Decepticon | i understand this is what autossh is doing yes? |
| 18:31.23 | Decepticon | but it backs off on rapid failures like "connection refused" |
| 18:31.34 | Decepticon | says the descrpitiopn |
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| 18:32.39 | Bushmills | well, it can't do magic. and there are just a limited number of things possible what one can do when one wants to reconnect after disconnect :) |
| 18:32.48 | clemente | Hi; I have connected a USB mouse to PS/2 through an adapter. Now I see that âcat /dev/psauxâ shows absolutely no response when I move the wheel (except when I click the wheel). This even in console (no X), with no gpm... |
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| 18:33.45 | Bushmills | though i'd probably explore the tunnel solutions to the problem |
| 18:33.54 | \amethyst | clemente: usually the device has to be initialized before it will send button presses other than left, middle, and right |
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| 18:34.01 | XTZGZoReX | stew: apparently the problem was not x/linux-related - it's a port problem so i'll go off to fix that |
| 18:34.05 | simonrvn | clemente: try /dev/input/mice |
| 18:34.13 | simonrvn | psaux isn't really anymore |
| 18:34.14 | clemente | simonrvn, same behaviour |
| 18:34.19 | simonrvn | really useful |
| 18:34.24 | XTZGZoReX | stew: everything else seems to work - thanks a bunch for your time :) |
| 18:34.27 | simonrvn | try another protocol? |
| 18:34.53 | simonrvn | gdm, try autops2 or imps2, and x try imps2 |
| 18:34.57 | simonrvn | gpm* |
| 18:35.02 | simonrvn | !slap me |
| 18:35.02 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across simonrvn's face |
| 18:35.09 | stew | clemente: modprobe psmouse |
| 18:35.09 | clemente | \amethyst, it also doesn't work if i reconnect it. How can I initialize it? |
| 18:35.37 | simonrvn | i wonder why they just don't build that in... |
| 18:35.46 | \amethyst | clemente: run GPM or X with the correct mouse driver setting (IMPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 depending) |
| 18:35.46 | clemente | stew: is loaded... |
| 18:35.52 | stew | simonrvn: they used to build that in and not mousedev, now it is the other way around |
| 18:36.06 | clemente | \amethyst, ok, so without GPM or X it will not get initialized |
| 18:36.10 | simonrvn | why not both? :) |
| 18:36.21 | simonrvn | will it add that much to the installer? |
| 18:36.23 | \amethyst | clemente: AFAIK, that is correct |
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| 18:36.56 | \amethyst | clemente: it will be just a three-button mouse until then |
| 18:37.13 | Skratz0r | wat |
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| 18:39.14 | hark | wtf, irssi taking 218M RES... |
| 18:39.37 | dondelelcaro | hark: that's a little bit unusual |
| 18:40.00 | simonrvn | hark: wtf. rogue script? |
| 18:40.24 | maligor | 18MB for irssi and 200MB for ascii porn? |
| 18:40.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:40.48 | dondelelcaro | I'm on insane numbers of channels and networks, and I've never seen it get much above 10M RSS |
| 18:41.12 | stew | too. but mines at 22M |
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| 18:41.38 | hark | there was an update on the 10th, haven't /upgraded to it yet anyway |
| 18:41.43 | simonrvn | hm, i've never seen it go above 20 m, even with like 20+ scripts loaded |
| 18:41.47 | stew | Act: 6,10,11,12,14,15,18,19,32,112,115 :) |
| 18:41.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:48.21 | XTZGZoReX | What's a quick way to test if a port is open on debian? |
| 18:48.45 | stew | XTZGZoReX: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 18:49.43 | XTZGZoReX | stew: more like, to check ALL ports - sort of like pinging a port, I guess |
| 18:49.51 | XTZGZoReX | stew: like, not only those in use |
| 18:51.14 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you mean in case you have been hacked? |
| 18:51.29 | XTZGZoReX | stew: no, just to check if a port I want to use is open and usable |
| 18:51.43 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you mean to check if you have firewalled it? |
| 18:51.55 | stew | XTZGZoReX: or to check if it is currently in use? |
| 18:52.04 | XTZGZoReX | stew: both, sort of |
| 18:52.26 | stew | XTZGZoReX: for currently in use: /msg dpkg open ports ; to see if it is firewalled, "iptables -L -n" |
| 18:53.01 | XTZGZoReX | stew: so if it isnt on iptables list = not firewalled? |
| 18:53.22 | stew | XTZGZoReX: as long as the default policies are ACCEPT |
| 18:53.56 | XTZGZoReX | stew: well, all my iptables lists are empty |
| 18:54.05 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what are the default policies? |
| 18:54.19 | XTZGZoReX | (policy ACCEPT) |
| 18:54.23 | XTZGZoReX | that, no? |
| 18:54.29 | stew | yes |
| 18:54.32 | chops | XTZGZoReX: Strictly speaking, a port that isn't "in use" is not "open" |
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| 18:54.49 | XTZGZoReX | chops: well, I knew that but eh.. ;) |
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| 18:55.00 | chops | XTZGZoReX: By default on a Debian system, all ports are "open" in the sense of not firewalled |
| 18:55.17 | XTZGZoReX | yeah, but I was wondering if my host had changed my iptables upon installation |
| 18:55.29 | chops | XTZGZoReX: If you don't want something listening... don't install it. Installing it, and then preventing it from using the port it's opened by playing with iptables, is counterproductive. |
| 18:55.33 | chops | XTZGZoReX: (In general) |
| 18:55.38 | chops | XTZGZoReX: (There are obvious exceptions) |
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| 18:56.01 | XTZGZoReX | heh :) |
| 18:56.02 | Kopfgeldjaeger | hi. are there archives of older package versions? (e.g. 1.3.0-1 is in sid, i want 1.2.0-1) |
| 18:56.03 | XTZGZoReX | well |
| 18:56.10 | stew | Kopfgeldjaeger: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:56.14 | XTZGZoReX | can I check if the port is blocked externally - in a router, for example? |
| 18:57.04 | stew | XTZGZoReX: only by explicitly testing by sending actual traffic through the router |
| 18:57.13 | XTZGZoReX | stew: will a ping do? |
| 18:57.45 | stew | XTZGZoReX: no, since ping sends ICMP packets which don't have port numbers |
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| 18:57.52 | XTZGZoReX | I see. |
| 18:57.55 | XTZGZoReX | Err. |
| 18:57.58 | XTZGZoReX | Kind of confusing. |
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| 18:58.05 | Sargun | !tell me about versions |
| 18:58.08 | XTZGZoReX | I'm guessing the port is blocked somewhere outside the machine |
| 18:58.12 | Sargun | !tell me about releases |
| 18:58.14 | stew | !tell Sargun about selftell |
| 18:58.38 | Sargun | How do I figure out which release I'm on? |
| 18:58.40 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what happens when you try to connect to it? |
| 18:58.47 | stew | Sargun: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 18:59.00 | XTZGZoReX | stew: my source dedicated server simply doesnt respond on the port (27015) |
| 18:59.03 | Sargun | 2.3.6 |
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| 18:59.11 | Sargun | etch! |
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| 18:59.28 | Sargun | How can I update to sid? |
| 18:59.34 | stew | Sargun: you shouldn't |
| 18:59.37 | Sargun | Do I have to resinstall? |
| 18:59.39 | Sargun | Why not? |
| 18:59.45 | stew | !iyhtays |
| 18:59.45 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:59.57 | XTZGZoReX | stew: funny, I think it's no matter what IP I use - now that's weird |
| 18:59.59 | Bushmills | Sargun: sid is broken |
| 19:00.02 | XTZGZoReX | stew: port* |
| 19:00.03 | Sargun | is not a debian user -- gentoo & CentOS |
| 19:00.11 | Sargun | Just this hardware doesn't support CentOS |
| 19:00.20 | stew | Sargun: why would you want sid? |
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| 19:00.33 | Sargun | I want a new version of Quagga |
| 19:01.01 | stew | Sargun: a rounter is something that definately should not be running sid |
| 19:01.06 | stew | Sargun: what version do you need? |
| 19:01.13 | Sargun | Ok, 0.99.10 |
| 19:01.27 | stew | Sargun: sid doesn't have that version anyway |
| 19:01.37 | stew | !info quagga sid |
| 19:01.39 | Sargun | Alright, how to make a dpkg? |
| 19:01.45 | stew | Sargun: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 19:02.02 | chops | Sargun: Or use GNU stow |
| 19:02.06 | dpkg | quagga: (BGP/OSPF/RIP routing daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.9-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1396 kB, Installed size: 4396 kB |
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| 19:03.58 | chops | XTZGZoReX: You can use tcptraceroute to figure out where it is that the packet is being blocked |
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| 19:05.56 | XTZGZoReX | chops: I actually figured out what was wrong |
| 19:06.05 | XTZGZoReX | chops: I forgot an important parameter in the app itself :) |
| 19:06.19 | chops | XTZGZoReX: k |
| 19:06.27 | cosmodad | does anyone know whether Debian's TLS implementation uses the certificate key to encrypt the session key or instead just uses the cert key to sign DH values? |
| 19:06.44 | cosmodad | ...by default. |
| 19:08.19 | XTZGZoReX | Does wget take wildcards? |
| 19:08.25 | XTZGZoReX | Oh, nevermind. |
| 19:08.27 | XTZGZoReX | Of course it doesnt |
| 19:08.29 | XTZGZoReX | Silly me |
| 19:08.30 | dondelelcaro | XTZGZoReX: some bits of it do, but most can't. |
| 19:08.47 | XTZGZoReX | well, not for the purpose I intended to use it for |
| 19:09.35 | XTZGZoReX | zip * file.zip <- should zip all files into file.zip, right? |
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| 19:09.49 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 19:09.51 | pyth0n | moin |
| 19:09.59 | XTZGZoReX | what then =X |
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| 19:10.09 | dondelelcaro | XTZGZoReX: man zip; it gives examples. |
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| 19:11.22 | g00se | XTZGZoReX: yes it does - on recursion |
| 19:11.32 | XTZGZoReX | so |
| 19:11.36 | XTZGZoReX | zip -r file.zip * |
| 19:11.37 | XTZGZoReX | no? |
| 19:12.07 | dondelelcaro | that'll work, though I don't know what you're doing. |
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| 19:12.25 | XTZGZoReX | just zipping some files/folders with their subfiles/folders into a .zip |
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| 19:24.45 | eject_ck | How can I debug iptable rules? |
| 19:25.13 | wols | by logging |
| 19:25.46 | eject_ck | wols, I created DNAT rule but it not works, cannot find where I made mistace |
| 19:25.49 | eject_ck | mistake |
| 19:26.03 | eject_ck | can I debug rules |
| 19:26.19 | wols | I told you. and if you want NAT: install ipmasq |
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| 19:27.41 | stew | eject_ck: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 19:30.31 | eject_ck | stew, I have PPTP server behind firewall. I'm using shorewall http://www.shorewall.net/PPTP.htm#ServerBehind |
| 19:30.41 | eject_ck | configured as described |
| 19:31.36 | stew | eject_ck: perhaps you can use tcpdump to debug it? |
| 19:31.43 | eject_ck | I run tcpdump -nqi eth0 'port 1723 or proto gre' (where eth0 is local if) |
| 19:31.48 | eject_ck | sure |
| 19:31.52 | eject_ck | sec |
| 19:32.29 | eject_ck | stew, everything what I see is only 22:31:57.843415 IP 77.122.191.xx.6978 > 192.168.100.110.1723: tcp 0 |
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| 19:33.33 | eject_ck | nothing about gre there |
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| 19:34.51 | stew | eject_ck: so then it appear that the DNAT is working and 192.168.100.110 is ignoring the packet? |
| 19:34.52 | eject_ck | rules in /etc/shorewall/rules |
| 19:35.00 | eject_ck | DNAT net loc:192.168.100.110 tcp 1723 |
| 19:35.00 | eject_ck | DNAT net loc:192.168.100.110 47 |
| 19:35.06 | eject_ck | ignoring ? |
| 19:35.09 | eject_ck | hmm |
| 19:35.17 | stew | eject_ck: well it looks like the DNAT happened, right? |
| 19:35.27 | eject_ck | yes |
| 19:35.47 | eject_ck | I can run tcpdump on PPTP server |
| 19:35.48 | eject_ck | sec |
| 19:35.56 | eject_ck | thanks! I will check right now |
| 19:36.24 | eject_ck | btw, do I need add this port and proto to ACCEPT ? |
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| 19:40.47 | eject_ck | stew, I run nmap -p 1723 192.168.100.110 |
| 19:40.56 | eject_ck | 1723/tcp open pptp |
| 19:41.37 | Deezire | Give me your out-side ipadress and I'll check that too |
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| 19:44.28 | exobyte | I installed the unionfs kernel mod package (my kernel got upgraded in the process), rebooted, but I still can't mount -t unionfs. I tried modprobe unionfs, but gave an error that shows up as "unionfs: Unknown symbol release_open_intent" in dmesg |
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| 19:45.48 | eject_ck | Opps, problem was with pptp server |
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| 19:46.05 | eject_ck | now everything works! |
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| 19:46.52 | ircmiki | hi |
| 19:47.16 | exobyte | seems my problem is documented here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469338 |
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| 19:48.08 | erm2587 | anybody knows how to put a fbsplash in Lenny/Sid Kernel 2.6.25? |
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| 19:49.04 | maploin | does anyone know if the packages.debian.org source code is available for public perusal? and if so where? |
| 19:49.41 | dondelelcaro | maploin: packages.debian.org/about/ |
| 19:49.45 | myosound | hey guys, ntp and ntpdate are gone from lenny? is there something else we should be using instead? |
| 19:50.29 | maploin | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot! |
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| 19:52.52 | hark | myosound: openntpd, chrony |
| 19:53.45 | Tapout | RIP Tim Russert |
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| 19:54.34 | CrashSys | Any MD experts here? |
| 19:55.04 | CrashSys | I'm having an issue with Etch where i'm defining a 5-drive MD array and it drops drives during the install... |
| 19:55.11 | tuvwx | i have xfonts-termins installed and fc-list shows both "Terminus:sytle=Bold" and "Terminus:style=Regular", yet emacs complains: "No fonts match 'terminus'! |
| 19:55.15 | CrashSys | Do I need to let the raid-5 fully sync before attempting to install? |
| 19:55.29 | samael | sid/2.6.24.3-custom on apple/PPC laptop with 256M on board + 1G DIMM. free(1) shows only 754M. any idea on where is the rest? |
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| 19:56.57 | sepski | CrashSys, no |
| 19:57.52 | CrashSys | well i'm having issues where when it goes to format the drive with reiserfs the sata ports stop responding and I literally have to power the box off then back on |
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| 19:58.08 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 19:58.09 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 19:59.17 | myosound | hark: thanks man, chrony looks like it might work |
| 19:59.28 | myosound | anyone know the reason ntp isn't in the lenny repo anymore? |
| 19:59.28 | sepski | CrashSys, well you can try to let it resync, but i would not trust it much if it acted like that. atlest give it a hard ride before depending on it |
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| 19:59.43 | CrashSys | so the suggestion is that mkreiserfs causes my SATA ports to not respond until I power-cycle the machine when using MD? |
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| 20:00.09 | CrashSys | I guess I can try EXT3... just hope they never have to do a fsck on a 2tb set-up |
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| 20:00.36 | sepski | myosound http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ntp |
| 20:01.05 | sepski | CrashSys, no that was just the general reiserfs warning. dont think it break your raid5 |
| 20:01.31 | sepski | but it will eat your files someday. so if this is a box you might depend on and it's not for fun or testing, i would not use reiserfs |
| 20:01.40 | sepski | ( I would not use reiserfs at all ) |
| 20:01.52 | CrashSys | I've tried an Asus M2N-E (NVidia 570 chipset) and an Asus M3A (AMD 780 chipset), both with same issue. |
| 20:01.56 | abrotman | CrashSys: better than losing all your data eh? :) |
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| 20:02.33 | click170 | I don't understand, if Reiserfs will eat your data, why is it available in the stable repo? |
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| 20:02.42 | CrashSys | 5 Seagate 7200.11 500GB drives, SuperMicro SATA/SAS Backplane... |
| 20:03.04 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 20:03.26 | Mazingaro | please I need help with autofs, I could not automount an nfs remote server... :( |
| 20:03.39 | sepski | click170, stable means packages does not change. not that there is no way in hell there are any bugs in a package. ofcourse there are bugs. and it's not a bug that bites everyone.. |
| 20:03.50 | sepski | click170, you can get lucky :) |
| 20:03.53 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: what is the errror message in the logs ? |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | click170: people like it .. |
| 20:04.01 | hark | tuvwx: specify the X font name |
| 20:04.01 | sepski | but for a real server i dont want to rely on luck |
| 20:04.06 | Mazingaro | halflife08: no one :(, but no mounting at all |
| 20:04.12 | sepski | abrotman, until they loose files |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | lose |
| 20:04.20 | stew | CrashSys: have you checked dmesg? |
| 20:04.39 | stew | click170: becuase people want it anyway |
| 20:04.50 | CrashSys | stew: Yes, dmesg says the ports fail to respond, then proceeds to soft-reset, then proceeds to hard-reset, at which point the port is gone. |
| 20:04.53 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: using rpcinfo are you able to connect to the nfs server ? |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | click170: people use NTFS and that eats data |
| 20:05.00 | click170 | Oh I have no reason not to like it, particularly if it truly is a good fs, I just don't like the IF heh. |
| 20:05.07 | stew | CrashSys: sounds like a hardware problem, not a software problem |
| 20:05.10 | Mazingaro | halflife08: I could mount it via mount command |
| 20:05.12 | halflife08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.18 | Mazingaro | halflife08: sure |
| 20:05.19 | click170 | Yes, but many of the people who use NTFS do so out of ignorance |
| 20:05.20 | stew | CrashSys: it is not a particularly good fs |
| 20:05.25 | CrashSys | A hardware problem across two different platform mobo's? |
| 20:05.33 | stew | NTFS is a much better fs |
| 20:05.45 | abrotman | FSVO better :) |
| 20:05.48 | CrashSys | Ok, I will attempt to formate with EXT3. If that fails, then it wont be the FS being put on top of the MD raid. |
| 20:05.57 | abrotman | CrashSys: other people really like xfs .. YMMV |
| 20:06.05 | sepski | CrashSys, can't possible imagine it beeing the fs tho. |
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| 20:06.25 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: what is the output of rpcinfo -p nfsserver ? what do the logs on the server say ? |
| 20:06.27 | sepski | CrashSys, but xfs dont like powerfails have a ups that shutdown the machine |
| 20:06.40 | abrotman | sepski: that's been fixed for quite some time |
| 20:06.44 | HockeyInJune | What do I need to do to get ALL of my traffic routed through a proxy server? Things like wget, apt-get, etc. |
| 20:07.21 | sepski | abrotman, thanks good to know. |
| 20:07.35 | Mazingaro | halflife08: shows me connection from programs |
| 20:07.43 | stew | HockeyInJune: do you mean all of your traffic, or all of your http traffic? do you mean for just one machine or a network full of machines? |
| 20:07.52 | jelly-home | sepski: in like 2.6.17, so debian's choice of kernel was lucky |
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| 20:08.10 | sepski | ahha :) |
| 20:08.13 | click170 | HockeyInJune: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html |
| 20:08.13 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: paste the output at http://pastebin.com/ |
| 20:08.19 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 20:08.36 | HockeyInJune | stew, ALL, I need to route the apt-get through the proxy, and all the other machines run windows, they already use the proxy. |
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| 20:09.21 | click170 | HockeyInJune basically, you have to route the traffic through your proxy using an iptables rule to 'MARK' traffic, and an 'ip rule' to set a default route through your proxy |
| 20:09.22 | p_masho | anyone know which package the "mailto" command line is installed ? |
| 20:09.30 | stew | HockeyInJune: what kind of proxy is it? |
| 20:09.36 | sepski | HockeyInJune, try adding http_proxy=http://proxyhost:port and ftp_proxy=http://proxyhost:port to /etc/environment |
| 20:09.37 | Mazingaro | hakf http://pastebin.com/d2ec1ce22 |
| 20:09.44 | Mazingaro | halflife08: http://pastebin.com/d2ec1ce22 |
| 20:09.57 | sepski | HockeyInJune, youll need to relogin, or source /etc/environment |
| 20:10.15 | Mazingaro | halflife08: mounting it via bash worked |
| 20:10.34 | HockeyInJune | Does the HTTP_PROXY work for my apt-get traffic too? |
| 20:10.47 | Nyle | hi |
| 20:10.50 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: what tree are you tracking ? |
| 20:11.10 | sepski | HockeyInJune, http_proxy should work for wget yes |
| 20:11.22 | jelly-home | !xfs |
| 20:11.22 | dpkg | from memory, xfs is "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." NEWS FLASH: data lossage fixed in 2.6.17, http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ |
| 20:11.22 | sepski | HockeyInJune, apt-get uses wget |
| 20:11.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: edit that! |
| 20:11.35 | HockeyInJune | ah.. okay |
| 20:11.35 | adama | hullo, I'm running unstable, I did: apt-get install iceweasel=2.0.0.13-0etch1 , to DOWNGRADE iceweasel from 3.0. Iceweasel works but none of the menus (menubar, right-click) will appear. I assume there is another package to be downgraded. Any ideas? |
| 20:11.35 | stew | sepski: no it doesn't |
| 20:11.35 | abrotman | sepski: no |
| 20:11.44 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 20:11.46 | abrotman | sepski: anything else you'd like to get wrong today? :) |
| 20:11.47 | HockeyInJune | XD |
| 20:11.48 | Mazingaro | halflife08: ??? |
| 20:11.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: what, the NEWS FLASH? :-) |
| 20:11.52 | sepski | darn ! |
| 20:11.55 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:11.56 | HockeyInJune | This happened yesterday too |
| 20:12.01 | sepski | no i give up for today |
| 20:12.04 | halflife08 | Mazingaro: what version of debian are you using |
| 20:12.12 | stew | HockeyInJune: but http_proxy should work for apt-get, if not you can set it in apt.conf (man apt.conf) |
| 20:12.13 | Mazingaro | halflife08: lenny |
| 20:12.53 | HockeyInJune | okay, I think I might go with the iptables so its easy to enable and disable on a moments notice |
| 20:12.55 | stew | HockeyInJune: yes, from apt.conf(5): "The http_proxy environment variable will override all settings" |
| 20:12.56 | hark | adama: iceweasel-gnome-support maybe |
| 20:13.02 | HockeyInJune | ah! |
| 20:13.05 | HockeyInJune | thats good |
| 20:13.14 | stew | (same for ftp_proxy) |
| 20:13.21 | adama | hark: I'll take a look in that direction, thanks |
| 20:13.48 | click170 | HockeyInJune: Don't quote me but I don't think that http_proxy will have the affect you want on the Windows machines as well. I think your looking for a transparent proxy. |
| 20:14.22 | CrashSys | well, mkext3fs doesn't bottom out the raid rebuild, MD is still able to maintain it's 1MB/sec rate... |
| 20:14.31 | CrashSys | looks like an issue in mkreiserfs (joy) |
| 20:14.51 | HockeyInJune | click170: Well, I dont care about the windows machines here, they already work |
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| 20:15.03 | CrashSys | assuming EXT3 ever formats this thing |
| 20:15.09 | Mazingaro | halflife08: solved! |
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| 20:16.11 | click170 | HockeyInJune: oops, read something wrong, my bad. http_proxy sounds like the best bet since the windows machines already work the way you want them to |
| 20:16.33 | HockeyInJune | Excellent, I am going to test it right now.. |
| 20:16.51 | CrashSys | nope, just died... |
| 20:16.53 | CrashSys | Hmmm |
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| 20:17.32 | CrashSys | ata3.00: tag 1 cmd 0x61 Emask 0x1 stat 0x41 err 0x4 (device error) |
| 20:17.46 | CrashSys | all the way through tag 25 |
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| 20:18.05 | hark | adama: don't like the awesomebar? ;) |
| 20:18.06 | HockeyInJune | Oh yeah, How do I check my battery consumption from the command line? |
| 20:18.09 | CrashSys | that port is now hung until power-cycle this machine... |
| 20:18.36 | Decepticon | i installed a wifi card, what exactly do i do to begin using it on etch? |
| 20:19.07 | hark | HockeyInJune: acpi -b |
| 20:19.44 | adama | hark: not really, however I do really like the password-remembering in FF3!! |
| 20:20.00 | adama | hark: my current gripe is that firebug doesn't work on 3 |
| 20:20.10 | hark | adama: it does |
| 20:20.17 | CrashSys | Anyone else have any suggestion on how to go about an MD raid that fails to rebuild properly? |
| 20:20.31 | adama | I've heard the latest svn or such does work |
| 20:20.39 | stew | CrashSys: your problem must either be with the hardware or the hardware driver |
| 20:20.45 | adama | maybe I'll go in that direction |
| 20:20.45 | hark | HockeyInJune: or cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state or info. (unless you're on lenny or sid) |
| 20:20.59 | adama | the iceweasel-gnome-support thing isn't working |
| 20:21.02 | hark | adama: getfirebug.com/releases |
| 20:21.03 | CrashSys | stew: I've done this on two completely different hardware platforms |
| 20:21.16 | CrashSys | NVidia chipset and an ATI chipset |
| 20:21.16 | epoxy|w3rk | hrm.. anyone have mkfs.vfat ? i am missing that for some reason. i have all the other mkfs |
| 20:21.17 | hark | adama: try with a new profile |
| 20:21.19 | CrashSys | different SATA drivers |
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| 20:21.24 | epoxy|w3rk | and the man for mkfs has it listed as well |
| 20:21.28 | CrashSys | sata_nv for one and ahci for the other |
| 20:21.52 | CrashSys | reiserfs and ext3 both failed |
| 20:21.55 | markybob | epoxy|w3rk, apt-get install dosfstools |
| 20:21.59 | CrashSys | so my common point now is MD |
| 20:21.59 | epoxy|w3rk | aahhh |
| 20:22.00 | Decepticon | what do i need to do to tell debian i have installed a wireless NIC card? |
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| 20:22.04 | CrashSys | and/or linux kernel |
| 20:22.10 | epoxy|w3rk | markybob, thanks much |
| 20:22.45 | hark | Decepticon: does it show up in iwconfig? |
| 20:22.53 | Decepticon | i will look |
| 20:22.59 | stew | CrashSys: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:23.11 | CrashSys | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 20:23.16 | CrashSys | etch 4.0 install DVD |
| 20:23.17 | Decepticon | hark i do not have iwconfig, what package is this part of |
| 20:23.33 | hark | Decepticon: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 20:23.39 | CrashSys | I've tried it with my Slack DVD (2.6.22.5) and had same issue/error |
| 20:23.52 | Decepticon | hark, yes it does not exist |
| 20:23.52 | markybob | Decepticon, wireless-tools |
| 20:24.03 | CrashSys | i've tried doing 3 drives and gotten the error |
| 20:24.14 | Decepticon | markybob i see. what other packages should i install for ewireslss connecgivity? |
| 20:24.28 | Decepticon | markybob i started this compter from netinstall, with nothing. so what other packages may i need? |
| 20:24.28 | CrashSys | the truly dumbfounding part is this is the third machine i've tried to build like this, and now i'm having this issue. The other 2 are in production and working fine. |
| 20:24.30 | HockeyInJune | hark, thanks both of those work, acpi -b is much better because it gives me the % |
| 20:24.53 | markybob | Decepticon, that's it, unless you need wpa or firmware |
| 20:25.19 | hark | Decepticon: which wireless card? |
| 20:25.29 | Decepticon | hark it is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008 |
| 20:25.38 | Decepticon | hark i got it because it said debian auto-recognized it , in the reviews |
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| 20:27.11 | subsume | How can I generate a filesystem-wide list of files-by-size? |
| 20:27.31 | hark | Decepticon: it's a ralink rt61 i think |
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| 20:28.01 | justin | subsume: du |
| 20:28.05 | wols | Decepticon: lspci |
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| 20:28.29 | Decepticon | 02:08.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 20:28.32 | Decepticon | yes indeed |
| 20:28.39 | wols | !tell Decepticon about rt61 |
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| 20:31.34 | subsume | justin: How to get only those above X bytes? |
| 20:32.00 | markybob | subsume, http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind#head-a78312e337bac998422b908fd8ce0b1c43b9b5e3 |
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| 20:32.25 | justin | subsume: you probably just want to run something like du -axc / | sort -n |
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| 20:35.07 | HockeyInJune | How do you make an environment variable permanent? |
| 20:35.35 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: for yourself, or for all users? |
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| 20:35.53 | HockeyInJune | Myself |
| 20:35.58 | HockeyInJune | specifically, root |
| 20:36.10 | HockeyInJune | or all users, either way works |
| 20:36.10 | HockeyInJune | lol |
| 20:36.20 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: export VAR="value" in root's .bashrc or .profile |
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| 20:36.34 | HockeyInJune | ah gotcha |
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| 20:36.58 | \amethyst | to set it for all users, /etc/environment |
| 20:37.14 | adama | http://getfirebug.com/ buggered off |
| 20:37.15 | HockeyInJune | ah, thats better |
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| 20:37.24 | \amethyst | or maybe /etc/profile if all your users use bash or other bourne-like shells |
| 20:37.30 | stew | HockeyInJune: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 20:37.43 | subsume | justin: that produces a grand total, right? |
| 20:37.53 | stew | subsume: man du |
| 20:37.56 | HockeyInJune | Also, for the way you said, before, I could use either .bashrc or .profile and it would be exactly the same? |
| 20:38.06 | subsume | stew: I don't need an explanation |
| 20:38.11 | stew | subsume: the stop asking |
| 20:38.17 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: .profile happens only when the user logs in |
| 20:38.20 | subsume | stew: I'm attempting to clarify what I want. |
| 20:38.27 | subsume | stew: because I believe what was given to me was off. |
| 20:38.32 | justin | subsume: why don't you just run it and see what it does |
| 20:38.36 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: .bashrc happens whenever the user runs bash interactively |
| 20:38.41 | stew | subsume: you are asking what du -axc does? |
| 20:39.05 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: so, for example, if you su to root, .bashrc will be sourced, but not .profile unless you do su - |
| 20:39.06 | subsume | justin: I did. I didn't see a listing for individual file size...and I read MAN DU *cough* and it mentioned 'grand total' which isn't what I want. |
| 20:39.34 | markybob | i told you how to do the individual file size. :P |
| 20:39.38 | justin | subsume: uhh, du -ac lists individual files too |
| 20:39.41 | subsume | markybob: I wanted to try the one liner first =) |
| 20:39.48 | subsume | markybob: thank you for the link tho. its open. =) |
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| 20:40.49 | HockeyInJune | \amethyst, Ah, that makes sense. thanks |
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| 20:41.34 | subsume | justin: hmpf. yeah. I noticed that too. but I didn't see filesize. it starts smallest first. can I 'man sort' to figure out how to reverse this? |
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| 20:41.55 | manoff | what would be the way to install fluxbox in a machine without X? |
| 20:42.06 | stew | manoff: aptitude isntall fluxbox |
| 20:42.10 | subsume | nvm. I'll be ok with this. |
| 20:42.13 | subsume | I just won't run it on / =) |
| 20:42.15 | subsume | thanks guys. |
| 20:42.15 | manoff | can i use apt-get? |
| 20:42.22 | stew | manoff: yes |
| 20:42.35 | manoff | stew: will the XDM start next time i reboot? |
| 20:42.51 | manoff | stew: providing me with gui login? |
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| 20:43.55 | manoff | ok why does it say when attemting to install fluxbox that i need to hit my Debian NETINST CD in? |
| 20:44.09 | manoff | why does it now look for from the Internetz? |
| 20:44.14 | manoff | s/now/not |
| 20:44.25 | pyth0n | look into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:44.28 | Deezire | manoff: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove cdrom. |
| 20:44.37 | manoff | i will |
| 20:44.39 | pyth0n | seems like your cd ist still as priymary source listed |
| 20:45.14 | stew | manoff: if you want X and xdm installed aptitude install xorg xdm |
| 20:45.18 | manoff | yeah that was the case, i have not touched the file so maybe there is a bug in the installer? |
| 20:45.54 | stew | manoff: no, this is not a bug, this is the desired behaviour |
| 20:46.01 | manoff | stew: yes but if i just install fluxbox, it does not provide me with graphical login upon startup? can i still operate fluxbox if not installing X? |
| 20:46.06 | manoff | stew: ok |
| 20:46.19 | HockeyInJune | click170, sepski, stew: The proxy seemed to have worked, but it didnt show up in a traceroute, would the proxy not be used if it wasnt working? How would I tell if the proxy is being used at all? |
| 20:46.28 | stew | manoff: no, if you just install fluxbox you wouldn't have an x server to login to |
| 20:46.39 | manoff | aha |
| 20:46.53 | stew | manoff: you could still operate fluxbox without x if you had it run on a different x server (like on a different machine) |
| 20:47.05 | manoff | ahaa |
| 20:47.19 | stew | this is why x clients don't depend on x servers |
| 20:47.29 | manoff | so i do in practical sense need to install X in order to use fluxbox if i dont have X in some other place? |
| 20:47.35 | stew | yes |
| 20:47.43 | manoff | ah thank you for this clarification |
| 20:47.50 | HockeyInJune | click170, sepski, stew: Oh it worked :D |
| 20:48.21 | HockeyInJune | Well, it definately worked over HTTP, not too sure about apt-get |
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| 21:04.13 | Decepticon | i am following these instructions for installing a "RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" wireless card..... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21519 ... i did as it told me to, and when i do ifconfig -a , i dont see a wlan0 |
| 21:04.44 | Decepticon | i feel like because this is a netinst, i am missing some critical packages... is this suspicicion true? so far ive only installed wireless-tools |
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| 21:05.53 | markybob | Decepticon, what are you installing? etch or lenny? |
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| 21:06.09 | Decepticon | i am on etch, i am installing a RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" wireless card. |
| 21:06.17 | Decepticon | wireless NIC |
| 21:06.36 | markybob | Decepticon, rt61 support got put in the kernel with 2.6.24, which is newer than the kernel provided in etch. so you need to use the kmuto etch installer |
| 21:06.49 | markybob | !tell Decepticon about kmuto |
| 21:06.58 | wols | Decepticon: why didn't you use the debian package? |
| 21:07.15 | Decepticon | i dont know what im supposed to do, i asked here and was given 2/3 different instructions |
| 21:07.30 | wols | markybob: he already has an etch installed. no need to get another installer |
| 21:08.14 | wols | Decepticon: I've been here all the time. you were only given one instruction by me |
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| 21:08.48 | wols | not to mention this howto you linked is wrong: no firmware mentioned |
| 21:09.05 | wols | you have a choice: eithre use 2.6.24 (a backport e.g. etchnhalf) |
| 21:09.15 | wols | or this (older) serialmonkey driver |
| 21:09.36 | wols | or the driver by ralink itself |
| 21:09.40 | wols | what do you want to use? |
| 21:09.48 | Decepticon | are either of these available via apt, or am i installing by hand compiling it all |
| 21:09.56 | mhall | I have this daemon process which is getting SIGTERM from another unknown process in its strace on a system with 2.6.20 kernel. How can I figure out all of the signals executing on the system, what processes sent them, and what processes received them? |
| 21:10.11 | Decepticon | wols i would prefer ther easier methods |
| 21:10.24 | Decepticon | wols when i do apt-cache search rt2561, it returns firmware-ralink - Binary firmware for rt61, rt61pci, rt73, rt73usb wireless network drivers |
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| 21:10.29 | wols | how should I know what's easy for you? |
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| 21:10.55 | Decepticon | does that package have any relevance? |
| 21:11.10 | wols | read what I wrote |
| 21:11.39 | NinjaMan | Is it possible to Wake-On-Lan your DHCP server? or do you need to have an ip address 1st on the machine sending the magic packet? |
| 21:11.42 | Decepticon | okay, lets say i choose to use the backports driver |
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| 21:12.05 | wols | !tell Decepticon about etchnhalf |
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| 21:13.25 | Decepticon | do all of the 3 methods require a kernel update like etchnhalf? |
| 21:13.46 | Decepticon | what if i used the driver by ralink? |
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| 21:22.54 | Saar | i forgot, how can i tell apt-get to install packages have been kept back? |
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| 21:23.01 | Saar | like in apt-get upgrade |
| 21:23.10 | stew | Saar: apt-get install pacakgename |
| 21:23.39 | stew | Saar: or /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:23.55 | Saar | oh ok thanks |
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| 21:24.22 | logyati | hello guys :D |
| 21:24.28 | mhall | I have this daemon process which is getting SIGTERM from another unknown process in its strace on a system with 2.6.20 kernel. How can I figure out all of the signals executing on the system, what processes sent them, and what processes received them? |
| 21:24.32 | logyati | i need some nfs help |
| 21:24.40 | logyati | im trying to create a file sharing here... try to imagine... i wanna export the folder /share, but inside this folder i have particular folders with usernames... the main objective is: all files (but not the users folders) in /share must be RW for all users (even the new created ones). The users folders must be RO to the other users, because they need to read someone elses files. |
| 21:25.14 | logyati | is it possible to do it with NFS? |
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| 21:26.25 | stew | logyati: make /share g+srw and add all the users to a group that owns /share |
| 21:26.53 | stew | logyati: and then have users creating files in /share use umask 002 |
| 21:27.34 | Bushmills | logyati: yes. but, nfs is inherently insecure. root on other machines can "spoof" users they aren't really. |
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| 21:27.46 | logyati | stew: thats the problem, how would i change the umask os files created in /share without affect the users folders??? users folders must have umask 022 |
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| 21:29.18 | logyati | i want that any user that has a folder inside /share could read files inside other users folders |
| 21:30.24 | stew | logyati: its ok if the files in the users' folders are created with umask 002 if the users' folders are owned by a group containing only that user |
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| 21:32.56 | logyati | stew: well, if i change the group of each users folders to a particular group (with the name of the user), others users wont be able to read the files, cos files will be created with o-rw |
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| 21:33.29 | pingouin | # |
| 21:33.35 | pingouin | opps |
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| 21:35.14 | Bushmills | logyati: you could be able to do that with a workaround: exports the /share with all_squash and setting anonuid/anongid to the owner of all the files in /share. in addition, mount -bind /share to another directory, which is exported while maintaining users ids. |
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| 21:35.34 | enveezee | hmm.. I just caught myself falling asleep on the couch when I was suppose to be working on these computers.. heh |
| 21:36.16 | stew | logyati: and that is exactly what you want, right? |
| 21:36.26 | enveezee | I got this older PIII system and I put 768MB ram in it (3x 256MB) and it only registers in the BIOS as 512MB and says I have installed more memory than this computer can support. I wonder if somehow linux would let it use all of it... |
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| 21:37.45 | enveezee | I guess I would know the answer if I booted linux on it and ran cat /proc/meminfo.. heh.. but I fell asleep for I guess about a half an hour when I was suppose to be doing that |
| 21:38.09 | Bushmills | enveezee: probably a limitiation of the north bridge. does it say which one? bx443 should support > 512 mb. but there were other models supporting less |
| 21:38.31 | enveezee | looks like a intel PIIX motherboard |
| 21:38.47 | enveezee | one of the oldest most well supported chipsets in linux |
| 21:39.16 | enveezee | I figured it was a hardware limitation but I've seen linux find ways around things the BIOS says it can't do before |
| 21:39.17 | interbird | I just installed testing; I'm used to xmms; I know xmms is removed; I am lazy; What's the cli to get a xmms2 gui please ? |
| 21:39.36 | Bushmills | enveezee: there were several models of the that northbridge (which i assume you have), differing by amount of mem they could support, among other. |
| 21:39.39 | enveezee | they removed xmms? |
| 21:39.48 | enveezee | xmms2 is by no means xmms |
| 21:39.50 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: you may find a bios upgrade to fix that |
| 21:39.51 | stew | enveezee: /msg dpkg xmms |
| 21:39.51 | Bushmills | lspci could tell you. |
| 21:39.54 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: and yes, we've removed xmms |
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| 21:40.02 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: ah, good thinking. |
| 21:40.15 | dondelelcaro | (from testing; it's still in unstable) |
| 21:40.26 | logyati | Bushmills: omg i think u solved hehe, let me try this workaround |
| 21:40.30 | dondelelcaro | actually, scratch that; it's not even in unstable |
| 21:40.34 | Bushmills | enveezee: also called host bridge |
| 21:40.40 | logyati | stew: no, i want all users reading each other files |
| 21:40.43 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: you don't think it could/would just be able to do it once linux boots if it was strictly a bios limitation? |
| 21:41.05 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: it's not strictly a bios limitation; the north bridge has to be capable of addressing it too |
| 21:41.25 | stew | logyati: previously you said, 'The users folders must be RO to the other users,' |
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| 21:41.40 | Bushmills | with fx443 you're out of luck. bx443: you win. |
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| 21:42.05 | Bushmills | (though there was a registered/unregistered ram issue with bx for > 512 mb |
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| 21:43.40 | enveezee | hmm I mean I'm not really that concerned with the extra 256mb.. I'm by no means a power user, and I've been getting by fine with 512MB.. but my USB hub have been going in my old VIA82Cxxx for a long time, it barely works at all, and now I think I may have accidentally fried the Athlon XP 1700+ in it.. my neighbor gave me this old PIII 1ghz system and I figured if I was going back in time CPU wise it might be nice to use the 256MB he |
| 21:43.41 | enveezee | I mean I could still overclock the PIII I guess |
| 21:43.52 | enveezee | but then again I did say I'm not a power user.. heh |
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| 21:44.42 | Bushmills | enveezee: one of those host bridges suffers from a serious slowdown when used with > 64 mb ... |
| 21:44.43 | enveezee | I mainly just need several good working USB ports. My old system will barely run my USB keyboard/mouse and it only runs my Wireless-G Dish adapter for about a minute then starts timing out with read errors on the controller |
| 21:44.48 | logyati | stew: yes, read only, they can read only each others files |
| 21:44.49 | slxix | i don't think most power users overclock their computers. |
| 21:45.16 | slxix | there's usually a reason they don't come "overclocked" :) |
| 21:45.55 | enveezee | the northbridge is an FW82815 so its an Intel 815 northbridge |
| 21:45.59 | enveezee | I just checked |
| 21:46.16 | stew | logyati: sorry, i'm being dense. i don't think there is a an easy way to do what you want to do |
| 21:46.22 | Bushmills | ah. that's post-443 |
| 21:46.43 | enveezee | I'm not using that for video though, I have an nVidia 5200FX w/ 128MB Ram for that |
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| 21:47.16 | enveezee | actually come to think of it, I don't think there is even a video chipset built in to this northbridge |
| 21:47.50 | enveezee | oh, there's a vga port on the mobo, but I didn't see any options in the cmos to disable it |
| 21:48.09 | enveezee | cause I didn't want it trying to steal any of my ram when I got that nVidia AGP card with its own ram in there |
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| 21:48.34 | Bushmills | that one work with up to 512 mb, indeed |
| 21:48.53 | enveezee | ugh.. so 512 is def the limit then? |
| 21:49.01 | enveezee | oh well.. :-P |
| 21:49.01 | Bushmills | right |
| 21:49.26 | enveezee | I guess I'll find something to use the other 256 for.. a letter opener or something.. haha |
| 21:49.32 | enveezee | now I need someone to write me letters |
| 21:49.47 | Bushmills | and it was a bit tricky with dual sided mem, especially when using 256 mb dimms |
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| 21:50.09 | enveezee | damn, you seem to have an intimate knowledge of intel chipsets |
| 21:50.25 | Bushmills | i did register level programming on them |
| 21:50.29 | enveezee | ah |
| 21:50.44 | Bushmills | like, ram initialisation :) |
| 21:50.59 | enveezee | heh |
| 21:51.27 | Bushmills | bare metal programming on prototypes without having had a single byte of code |
| 21:51.55 | enveezee | well that sucks.. its got 3 slots where my other one only had two.. but it supports less memory I guess |
| 21:52.04 | manoff | buuhuu my Unixpod account was denied! |
| 21:52.25 | enveezee | really if I didn't fry the CPU on the other one, all it needs is a USB card, cause the onboard via82cxxx usb is dying |
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| 21:52.40 | Bushmills | enveezee: if you can stick two dimms in and have 512 meg, you can be happy. |
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| 21:53.37 | interbird | I know as much that xmms2 is more a client-server architecture; anyone can point me in some direction? Or is it impossible to revive the xmms gui? |
| 21:53.50 | enveezee | Bushmills: yeah well, now I got an extra 256mb dimm I got nothing to do with |
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| 21:54.28 | Bushmills | interbird: did you have a look at mpd as alternative? similar to xmms2 but nicer clients, imho |
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| 21:54.45 | enveezee | I mean I was about to just buy a new Sempron 64 system with an nForce 440/GeForce 6100 mobo but I kinda lacked the $100-$200 to get an all new computer right now |
| 21:54.52 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 21:55.01 | batcoder-7 | whats better ofr remote serverr control |
| 21:55.07 | batcoder-7 | vnc rdp or just using shell ? |
| 21:55.19 | batcoder-7 | ones more of a virtulized kvm |
| 21:55.21 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: server? ssh |
| 21:55.32 | enveezee | my neighbor dumped this old PIII on me and considering my only internet connection right now is this USB dish adapter and my desktop the USB isn't working its kinda a good deal.. for free |
| 21:55.35 | batcoder-7 | i am tyring ot think of a reason it would be better to use vnc or rdp then it would be to use ssh |
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| 21:55.55 | dondelelcaro | there really aren't any |
| 21:55.56 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: what would you need graphics on a server for? |
| 21:56.12 | batcoder-7 | i dont |
| 21:56.23 | batcoder-7 | but vnc or rdp wuld show a console as well |
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| 21:57.35 | interbird | Bushmills: Will check that; but i'm just looking for my 'good-old' xmms-gui... There is always 'something better'; can anyone drop me a link why xmms is abandoned ? |
| 21:57.48 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: ssh gives something extra. like, easy file transfer both ways, even ability to mount remote (or map its file system into a local graphical file manger) |
| 21:58.23 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: i know i was just tryign to get advantages of vnc rdp |
| 21:58.30 | Jacob_H | Is there any way, except via jackd, to control the access of programmes to the sound card? Iâd like to be able to control whether Flash animations can play sounds without resorting to any volume controls built into the animation. |
| 21:58.33 | batcoder-7 | jsut for the recor rpd and most vnc allow file transfers ;) |
| 21:58.37 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: in addition, should you really want to run remote graphic apps, you can do that through ssh too |
| 21:58.58 | batcoder-7 | you can run vnc and rdp and not usinge grpahical apps |
| 21:59.05 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: yes. but not command line, or scriptable |
| 21:59.07 | batcoder-7 | all vnc an rdp are is a pretty much software KVM |
| 21:59.19 | batcoder-7 | yues ot command line |
| 21:59.21 | Bushmills | that's why i added "wasy" |
| 21:59.25 | Bushmills | easy |
| 22:00.12 | k-man_ | when i do a dpkg-reconfigure xorg, it doesn't try and detect my video card or ask me what sort of video card i have |
| 22:00.19 | k-man_ | and it just seems to make a generic xorg.cofg |
| 22:00.39 | k-man_ | any idea how to make it detect my video card? or what i might be doing wrong? |
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| 22:00.58 | stew | k-man_: the video card is detected at runtime now |
| 22:01.06 | interbird | k-man: this depends on the dpkg-level |
| 22:01.19 | k-man_ | stew, oh... really? |
| 22:01.22 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: im pretty sure as well VNC you dont need X to run it |
| 22:01.25 | stew | k-man_: you should no longer need to specify it in the configuration in most cases |
| 22:01.30 | stew | k-man_: really |
| 22:01.48 | k-man_ | awesome |
| 22:01.54 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: vnc server with linux is a sort of modified X server |
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| 22:02.11 | doubleh_ | which service shall I install to get clock synchronised on ntp ? openntpd reports offset, but des not correct local RTC. |
| 22:02.31 | k-man_ | but the problem i seem to have is that X dies just after it start |
| 22:02.31 | k-man_ | s |
| 22:02.44 | Bushmills | it just doens't use physical video devices, but a memory buffer for rendering. |
| 22:02.44 | stew | k-man_: do you get an error? |
| 22:03.01 | k-man_ | stew, not that i can see |
| 22:03.02 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: you cann install VNC server without any xserver-* |
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| 22:03.22 | noss | I updated a friend's debian server here after this openssl vulnerability. |
| 22:03.28 | Bushmills | doubleh_: vnc server behaves like an X server towards X clients |
| 22:03.45 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: i guess the only ogood thing is vnc and rdp is more of a kvm it actually emulates the keyuboard and mouse etc |
| 22:03.57 | noss | after that i couldnt log in over ssh anymore, the logs are not very helpful. when i run ssh -vvv i can see that it never lets me use the keyboard-interactive authentication method. |
| 22:04.03 | k-man_ | like gdm starts, but when i log in, it says my session lasted less than 10 seconds, but the error report contains nothing except a line about the session file |
| 22:04.04 | noss | it tries publickey and then it fails. |
| 22:04.21 | noss | is anyone recognizing this problem? i just threw 4 hours at it but no go. |
| 22:04.49 | interbird | k_man_: try xinit without the use of gdm or kdm and check the log-files |
| 22:04.58 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: is your server remote as in, across internet? |
| 22:05.06 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: yea |
| 22:05.23 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: sound like another reason for ssh |
| 22:05.34 | doubleh_ | noss: I may be 400% outtopic ... but, frommemory forums recommended to regenerate key pairs ... did you remove old key from your user profile ? did you try to access the sever from a brand new local user ? |
| 22:05.49 | k-man_ | interbird: ah, xinit works, but startx fails |
| 22:05.53 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: why ? |
| 22:05.57 | Bushmills | i'd not trust vnc authentication over the net. |
| 22:05.57 | batcoder-7 | i mean what would that matter |
| 22:06.17 | batcoder-7 | ah depending on the style of connection you can have it encrypted as well |
| 22:06.20 | Bushmills | in fact, i'd turn password auth off completely |
| 22:07.25 | batcoder-7 | i liek he idea of vnc and rdp better then |
| 22:07.32 | batcoder-7 | ssh |
| 22:07.35 | interbird | k-man: if xinit works, then your settings in /etc/.../xorg.conf should be ok and the 'shit' is in the 'post-x-starts-sripts'; did you check log-files? |
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| 22:08.02 | Bushmills | batcoder-7: sure. is your server. was just my opinion. |
| 22:08.13 | interbird | k-man_: if xinit works, then your settings in /etc/.../xorg.conf should be ok and the 'shit' is in the 'post-x-starts-sripts'; did you check log-files? |
| 22:08.15 | k-man_ | interbird: which log files should I check? |
| 22:08.31 | doubleh_ | question: which ntp client should i install to keep local clock synchronised ? |
| 22:08.44 | k-man_ | interbird: i'll look through the logs again |
| 22:08.47 | interbird | /var/log/* |
| 22:08.49 | Bushmills | doubleh_: what branch of debian? |
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| 22:09.02 | batcoder-7 | Bushmills: ssh is a command relayer pretty much |
| 22:09.18 | batcoder-7 | vnc rdp |
| 22:09.19 | interbird | k-man_: and local .x* files |
| 22:09.21 | batcoder-7 | is a kvm |
| 22:09.24 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: testing |
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| 22:09.38 | noss | doubleh_: updating said it would regenerate new safe server keys. |
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| 22:09.41 | Bushmills | doubleh_: probably openntpd or chrony |
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| 22:10.16 | k-man_ | interbird: could this be it? ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-cDryn27569/agent.27569 |
| 22:10.18 | doubleh_ | noss: => did you remove tjhe deprecated key on the client ? |
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| 22:11.00 | mimcpher | I have access to a remote machine that is running CUPS. Should I set this up like I would a local printer, installing drivers etc, or is there an easier way? |
| 22:11.01 | interbird | k-man_: no, i don't think so. But... xinit works and gdm or kdm not ? |
| 22:11.27 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: openntp does not seem to do that : after 2 days i still am exactly 13mn late ! |
| 22:11.30 | noss | doubleh_: yah, ssh-vulnkey everywhere. |
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| 22:11.46 | k-man_ | interbird: yeah, xinit worked, gdm starts but fails to log me in |
| 22:11.55 | k-man_ | interbird: and startx seems to fail totaly |
| 22:12.14 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: I dont find ntpdate anymore ... |
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| 22:12.28 | k-man_ | interbird: i mean gdm starts x but fails after i log in - |
| 22:12.39 | Bushmills | doubleh_: there is chronyc in chrony, analog to ntpdate |
| 22:12.42 | interbird | k-man_: there could be something wrong in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 22:12.44 | k-man_ | interbird: startx fails for root and for users |
| 22:12.48 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: otherwise: how do you make Ontp make this ? |
| 22:13.28 | interbird | k-man_: try to create a new user and see if that user can login; this way you isolate the problem to user-local settings |
| 22:13.30 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: about Ontp, I dont see the point of a daemon that computes the offset, but not use it for "correction" ! |
| 22:13.32 | Bushmills | doubleh_: starting ntp with set clock. some won't step when time difference is too big. |
| 22:14.17 | k-man_ | interbird: ok |
| 22:14.22 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: I am aware of that; Ontp reported so when jit was over 1h ... like all daemons; 13mn is not that much, below the limit ... |
| 22:14.43 | Bushmills | doubleh_: it may protect against a grossly wrong server. and the time difference too big can be taken as indication that remote server is wrong, assuming that you set local time at least close to actual time./ |
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| 22:15.21 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: I thouthg 13mn was a good deal ... |
| 22:15.24 | Bushmills | but o don't know what time discrepancy openntp balks about |
| 22:15.41 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: I try chrony |
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| 22:16.02 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: ntpdate used to sync at boot; not available anymore in testing |
| 22:16.26 | Bushmills | doubleh_: that's why i point you to chrony and openntp |
| 22:16.41 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: openntp does not work for me. I said. |
| 22:16.59 | nixbox | how do i find out if i am running sarge or etch? :P |
| 22:17.02 | Bushmills | ntp may be back soon |
| 22:17.34 | Bushmills | nixbox: grep main /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:17.46 | k-man_ | interbird: same problem with a new user |
| 22:18.07 | nixbox | ok good, its etch |
| 22:18.19 | nixbox | now how do i upgrade to lets say kernel 2.6.22 |
| 22:18.26 | nixbox | i am running 2.6.18 right now |
| 22:18.27 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: unless I am wrong on one point ... I just see that ... cat /var/log/syslog |grep ntp , show a decreasing value ... but of about one second per hour ... |
| 22:18.27 | interbird | k-man_: this is not the box you are on irc with? if not, do you know how to edit a config-file ? |
| 22:19.07 | Bushmills | doubleh_: it may have benefitted from more or less accurate time when starting |
| 22:19.46 | k-man_ | interbird: yes, it is the box i am on - irc from a terminal, and yes, i know how to edit a config file |
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| 22:20.08 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: yea ... still 13mn, but, i see the offset reduced from 770 to 761s those last 18h ... |
| 22:20.21 | k-man_ | interbird: so i can log in with gdm using the failsafe terminal option |
| 22:20.36 | k-man_ | interbird: it must be something that is run when gdm logs in i think |
| 22:21.06 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: really slower than I need; still, seems to be correcting things with tiiiiiiiime :) |
| 22:21.36 | interbird | k-man_: yes, and it could be in /etc/gdm/gdm/conf; you could try the following... |
| 22:22.01 | interbird | k-man_: cp -a /etc/gdm/gdm.conf /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.keep |
| 22:22.06 | Bushmills | doubleh_: there is probably an option to tell it to step rather than slew time when discrepancy is greater than <specified> seconds. |
| 22:22.16 | Bushmills | looks like it is slewing now. |
| 22:22.48 | interbird | k-man_: purge gdm and reinstall it; this will reinstall gdm with the default config-file |
| 22:22.52 | stew | k-man_: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 22:23.17 | interbird | k-man_: man dpkg and look for --purge |
| 22:23.29 | Bushmills | doubleh_: " Thus, an adjustment as much as 600 s will take almost 14 days to complete" ... that's from the ntp man page btw |
| 22:23.36 | stew | i doubt it is a gdm misconfiguration |
| 22:23.53 | k-man_ | stew, .xsession-errors just contains: SESSION_MANAGER=local/blue:/tmp/.ICE-unix/27445 |
| 22:24.34 | Bushmills | doubleh_: and the reason given there is: "Note: Since the slew rate of typical Unix kernels is limited to 0.5 ms/s, each second of adjustment requires an amortization interval of 2000 s." |
| 22:24.56 | interbird | k-man_: on 2nd thought; i must agree with stew; as gdm seems to start -- don't follow my advice |
| 22:25.00 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: yea ... chrony is now doing 1s per 30s :) |
| 22:25.30 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: chronyc - tracking => provides verbose details, amaising :) |
| 22:25.49 | Bushmills | doubleh_: how much mem does chrony use, can you check that up with ps please? |
| 22:26.12 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: how ? |
| 22:26.24 | Bushmills | ps aux | grep chrony |
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| 22:27.14 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: no, aux gives percentage ... |
| 22:27.48 | Bushmills | and RSS and VSZ |
| 22:28.16 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: 4200 1276 |
| 22:28.42 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: no, that was whronyC, you want chronyD: 2104 936 |
| 22:29.40 | Bushmills | ah. that's good. smaller than ntp |
| 22:29.43 | Bushmills | ntpd |
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| 22:30.03 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: much faster ... already less than 12mn now :) |
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| 22:31.30 | k-man | well, gdm started successfully after a reboot |
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| 22:32.21 | interbird | k-man: but? login did not work? or startx? |
| 22:32.43 | k-man | interbird, login worked |
| 22:32.46 | k-man | from gdm |
| 22:32.51 | k-man | didn;'t test startx |
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| 22:33.33 | interbird | k-man: login from gdm worked; so it works now ? |
| 22:33.53 | k-man | interbird, yes |
| 22:33.56 | k-man | what can i say - |
| 22:34.25 | k-man | i have no idea why - i was just reinstalling gdm and it had to remove a few packages - for some reason my box locked up at that point (hardware issue) |
| 22:34.30 | k-man | so i had to reboot |
| 22:34.35 | k-man | and it just worked |
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| 22:35.14 | interbird | debian always heales itself :-) |
| 22:35.20 | k-man | interbird, gdm and X worked before - it broke when i did an update |
| 22:35.37 | k-man | interbird, so maybe there was some residual stuff in memory or something |
| 22:35.39 | k-man | i dunno |
| 22:35.45 | k-man | interbird, thanks for your help though |
| 22:35.48 | interbird | possibly |
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| 22:36.10 | interbird | welcome |
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| 22:36.52 | k-man | but now aptitude wants to remove and reinstall a whole load of packages - can i tell it to forget about doing that somehow? |
| 22:37.21 | stew | k-man: there is something like 'forget pending requests' in the actions menu |
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| 22:38.14 | k-man | thanks stew |
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| 22:40.46 | doubleh_ | Bushmills: thxbye |
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| 22:43.08 | k-man | ok, so now that i have x working, the "Screen Resolution" program doesn't offer me 1280x1024 resolution |
| 22:43.22 | karsten | k-man: Driver? Card? |
| 22:43.29 | interbird | what card? |
| 22:43.36 | k-man | ati |
| 22:43.37 | karsten | k-man: and "Screen Resolution" program would be what? |
| 22:43.39 | k-man | fglrx |
| 22:43.51 | k-man | karsten, the one in the system menu |
| 22:43.53 | karsten | k-man: There's an fglrx module you can build. |
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| 22:44.02 | karsten | k-man: What desktop environment? |
| 22:44.04 | k-man | karsten, built and installed |
| 22:44.08 | k-man | karrotx_, gdm/gnome |
| 22:44.18 | karsten | !tell k-man about fglrx |
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| 22:44.31 | interbird | is the driver for that (ati) also in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 22:44.32 | k-man | karrotx_, yes, its built and installed thanks |
| 22:44.39 | karsten | k-man: Read that, do the one-liner, and re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:44.58 | karsten | k-man: karsten, not karrotx_, who's really tired of being mis-nicked. |
| 22:44.59 | k-man | interbird, i thought you just said it doesn;t need the driver in the xorg.conf? |
| 22:45.21 | k-man | karsten, sorry - bad nick completion on my part |
| 22:45.33 | interbird | k-man: no, where did i say that ?? |
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| 22:46.09 | k-man | interbird, oh - might not have been you. someone said it earlier when i said that dpkg-reconfigure xorg-conf wasn;t detecting my video card |
| 22:46.27 | k-man | someone said that it doesn't do that any more and its detected at run time |
| 22:47.09 | interbird | k-man: well, your driver is loaded in /etc/X11/xorg.conf... |
| 22:47.28 | k-man | interbird, thats what I thought |
| 22:47.30 | k-man | ok |
| 22:47.43 | k-man | let me just retry running the reconfigure |
| 22:47.44 | k-man | bbiab |
| 22:47.59 | interbird | k-man: make a copy of this file as i suggested earlier: cp -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.keep |
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| 22:50.21 | k-man_ | so when i run dpkg-reconfigure shouldn't it ask me stuff about which xorg driver i want to use? |
| 22:50.22 | dkr | I upgraded etch->lenny and now my interface is quite sluggish. gnome/metacity - switching virtual desktops there is a 1 to 2 second delay redrawing the graphics of the apps on that screen, and even within applications like iceweasel and icedove switching tabs/menus and tooltips displaying/switching folders all taking a lot longer to display. also rhythmbox pausing on mp3 playing when I switch desktops. |
| 22:50.36 | interbird | k-man: make a copy of this file as i suggested earlier: cp -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.keep |
| 22:50.41 | dkr | not sure hwo to debug it. unfortunately I removed the obsolete etch kernel after booting into new one successfully |
| 22:50.46 | k-man_ | ok |
| 22:51.16 | k-man_ | interbird: and then what? |
| 22:51.33 | interbird | k-man: yes, but your dpkg-reconfigure has the wrong settings; maybe stew knows how to change that; i don't know by hart |
| 22:51.46 | dkr | interbird: when you reconfigure it automatically makes a backup of xorg.conf, btw |
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| 22:52.09 | stew | k-man_: no, when you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' it should not ask you about drivers |
| 22:52.26 | k-man_ | stew, it doesn't |
| 22:52.33 | k-man_ | stew: so thats good i guess |
| 22:52.48 | interbird | dkr: yes, but that's with an extension easily overwritten by a next attempt; this extension keeps the working config... |
| 22:52.55 | k-man_ | stew, did you say that xorg detects thedriver to use at run time now? |
| 22:52.58 | stew | k-man_: yes |
| 22:53.17 | k-man_ | stew, so how do i tell if its correctly detecting my video card and using the correct driver? |
| 22:53.32 | stew | k-man_: by lookint at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:53.37 | interbird | stew: is'nt there something like a 'configuation-level' like medium,...,... ? |
| 22:53.39 | k-man_ | stew: as the gnome resolution picker thing wouldn't let me choose 1280x1024 |
| 22:54.11 | stew | interbird: there is, but running "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" defaults to asking all questions |
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| 22:54.47 | Mike1 | hey |
| 22:55.06 | Mike1 | is the debian (netinstall) installer able to change the size of NTFS-partitions? |
| 22:55.08 | markybob | dkr, gconf-editor apps>metacity>general, 'compositing manager' |
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| 22:55.14 | k-man_ | stew: ah, its loading the driver "ati" instead of the fglrx one |
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| 22:55.27 | markybob | dkr, disable that and your performance should go back up |
| 22:55.36 | k-man_ | stew, any idea how to change which one it defaults to? |
| 22:55.36 | interbird | stew: i could be mistaken but with 'sarge' i remember a question about the 'alert-level' for dpkg |
| 22:55.46 | dkr | markybob: not checked. :( |
| 22:56.24 | stew | interbird: i'm guessing you are talking about the --priority option of dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:57.01 | stew | k-man_: make sure you have the kernel driver loaded. if you already do, and you want to force it to use a particular driver, specify it explicitly in xorg.conf |
| 22:57.28 | k-man_ | stew, ah, i see |
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| 22:58.27 | interbird | stew: maybe, i'm talking about the debian sarge-installer asking a question about what level the configuration should be set; but i guess this was during the install and not applicable while one installed. |
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| 23:01.01 | stew | interbird: yes, you are talking about the default priority level which would be set by "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 23:01.28 | pingouin | where can i put some True Type fonts files to add more fonts , file.ttf file2.ttf , and make X seeing them in apps ? |
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| 23:02.53 | interbird | stew: yes, i think that's the one... |
| 23:03.15 | ninjaslim | hey guys, is zeroconf/bonjour included int he Debian base |
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| 23:03.37 | stew | ninjaslim: no, but its available to be added post-install |
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| 23:03.56 | dkr | markybob: since it was already disabled I tried enabling metacity as composite manager - which caused iceweasel to crash and interface still sluggish. Then I disabled it and it locked up X - had to ctl-alt-backspace. :) |
| 23:04.01 | ninjaslim | stew: is it pulled in automatically if you install cups |
| 23:04.58 | interbird | pingouin: checkout the font-paths defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf; restart (relogin; reboot) might be needed |
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| 23:07.05 | stew | ninjaslim: maybe via pulling in avahi becuase of Recommends: |
| 23:07.44 | ninjaslim | oh yeah recommends are pulled in auotomatically if you're running sid |
| 23:07.50 | ninjaslim | cause of the version of apt |
| 23:08.08 | pingouin | interbird: ok, thanks for the clue |
| 23:08.38 | ninjaslim | stew: ok then that might explain why OS X was able to detect my printer via bonjour/zeroconf through cups when i had Debian installed on my desktop, now i have FreeBSD which does not have bonjour/zeroconf installed |
| 23:10.13 | th1 | what's the "debian-policy-correct" way to set your system up to use Iceweasel instead of Epiphany? |
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| 23:11.02 | k-man_ | stew, when you say i would have to explicitly force the driver in the xorg.conf, do you mean set up the xorg.conf in the old way? |
| 23:11.06 | stew | th1: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 23:11.10 | stew | k-man_: yes |
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| 23:11.37 | th1 | stew, it just gives: "No alternatives for x-www-browser." |
| 23:12.13 | stew | th1: do you have both epiphany and iceweasel installed? |
| 23:12.18 | |seb| | How make POSTFIX make SENT emails all appear to come from a DIFFERENT domain? |
| 23:12.18 | th1 | stew, yes |
| 23:12.37 | th1 | I had only epiphany (from "gnome-desktop") at first but then I installed iceweasel with aptitude |
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| 23:12.51 | k-man_ | stew: ok thanks, that worked |
| 23:12.53 | stew | th1: both of those should be alternatives for x-www-browser |
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| 23:13.11 | k-man_ | stew, but is there not a way of telling this autodetection system to use the prefered fglrx driver? |
| 23:13.22 | th1 | stew, sorry I was mistaken. I was doing the command on the wrong host :) anyway, on my main host I don't even have update-alternatives |
| 23:13.35 | stew | k-man_: no idea |
| 23:13.50 | stew | th1: is the main host debian? |
| 23:14.04 | th1 | stew, of course |
| 23:14.10 | stew | th1: then it must have update-alternatives |
| 23:14.15 | interbird | k-man_: what autodetection system ? |
| 23:14.17 | th1 | it had it.. |
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| 23:14.30 | milankundera | türk debiancýlar ? ) |
| 23:14.35 | dustybin | looks forward to september for the release of lenny |
| 23:14.37 | th1 | stew: my prompt didn't have sbin in the path. it works now :) sorry for being a moron.. it's friday and I've had a few drinks |
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| 23:15.05 | milankundera | türk debiancýlar ? ) |
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| 23:15.30 | k-man_ | interbird: well, it seems that the latest version of the xorg system on debian doesn't do the configuring like it used to, and now auto detects your card at run time. but that chooses the ATI driver for the ati card instead of the fglrx diver |
| 23:15.52 | k-man_ | stew: any idea where i can read more about this? |
| 23:15.59 | th1 | in a way, it would be nice if individual users could run update-alternatives and it'd maintain a .alternatives in their home directory for where they deviate from the system setup |
| 23:17.22 | stew | th1: cheers |
| 23:17.26 | stew | k-man_: nope |
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| 23:17.57 | th1 | stew :) |
| 23:18.00 | interbird | k-man_: i'm not sure but i think the ati-driver is the kernel-built-in and the fglrx is the (binary-blob) from ati aka amd; the (default) kernel or debian will never try to detect non-opensource-drivers; if that's what you ask |
| 23:18.49 | stew | interbird: i believe it will try to detect non-opensource drivers |
| 23:19.41 | interbird | stew: and configure xorg.conf with it? not by my experience... |
| 23:20.03 | k-man_ | interbird: i see |
| 23:20.08 | k-man_ | interbird: ok, tahnks |
| 23:20.09 | k-man_ | thanks |
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| 23:22.03 | k-man_ | stew, it said it chose the ati driver by looking in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ati.ids |
| 23:22.24 | k-man_ | which seems to imply that there is some system for looking up which driver to use for a card |
| 23:22.32 | sladi_ | nn |
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| 23:23.00 | interbird | stew: ok, it will detect, yes :-) |
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| 23:28.16 | interbird | In the meantime I'm getting used to totem, it's playing... But, where has xmms gone? |
| 23:29.21 | dob1 | i have an usb donlge, and a bluetooth headset it is possible to use it in voip software? |
| 23:29.42 | interbird | yes and no |
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| 23:29.56 | wimpies | when I do sudo -i I can login as root without password, but only on the first terminal I start. How can that be ? |
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| 23:30.31 | pingouin | interbird: perfect ! i moved the file.ttf in the directory pointed by xorg.conf (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) quit X, restart X, then i can use the fonts in openoffice, many thanks |
| 23:30.46 | interbird | wimpies: from a gui ? |
| 23:30.51 | wimpies | yes |
| 23:31.21 | interbird | pingouin: nthx |
| 23:31.56 | interbird | wimpies: could be the first access (on which you had to enter a root passwd) is timed... |
| 23:32.18 | wimpies | Ah that might be ... any way to 'clear' that so I can make sure ? |
| 23:32.47 | interbird | wimpies: it's best you do not use the root account; only for maintenance -- that's why also... |
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| 23:33.11 | wimpies | me to and I wanted to do maintenance and it just struck me I could login without password |
| 23:33.49 | Bushmills | wimpies: what branch of debian? |
| 23:34.06 | interbird | wimpies: if you can login to root without a password you made a mistake at install; providing and empty line for the root password |
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| 23:34.34 | wimpies | interbird : no because I have a root password and if I open a second terminal I do need to enter a password |
| 23:34.44 | wimpies | Bushmills; what do you mean with 'branch' ? |
| 23:34.56 | Bushmills | wimpies: etch or lenny? |
| 23:35.06 | interbird | wimpies: what does uname -a say in your terminal ? |
| 23:35.43 | slxix | wimpies: man sudoers, it will tell you to set timestamp_timeout to 0. |
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| 23:35.53 | interbird | wimpies: what does whoami say ? |
| 23:36.25 | wimpies | OK, was just reading the man, indead, the sudo allows access for 15 minutes. |
| 23:36.36 | interbird | there you go... |
| 23:36.38 | deadcat | when i startx i get fatal: nvidia module not found... i have the module loaded.. is there some changes in xorg.conf the pass few months for nvidia that i should know about? |
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| 23:37.09 | wimpies | I just ran sudo -K and now i need to type a password |
| 23:37.19 | wimpies | btw is there any KDETV user around here ? |
| 23:37.28 | slxix | remember to use visudo |
| 23:38.15 | Bushmills | wimpies: no answer? etch or lenny? |
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| 23:38.20 | wimpies | etch |
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| 23:38.32 | Bushmills | what version is your getty? |
| 23:38.35 | p_masho | anyone here know which debian package the "mailto" command is in ? |
| 23:38.51 | Bushmills | (that's the login thing) |
| 23:38.53 | kunwon1 | !apt-file |
| 23:38.53 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 23:39.03 | p_masho | think its a perls script? |
| 23:39.10 | kunwon1 | p_masho, see above |
| 23:39.36 | Bushmills | wimpies: dpkg -l | grep getty |
| 23:40.00 | wimpies | checking ... |
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| 23:40.36 | wimpies | hmm, getty not installed (seems to be in util-linux) |
| 23:40.37 | wimpies | ??? |
| 23:41.30 | interbird | p_masho: apt-cache search | grep mailto |
| 23:41.46 | Bushmills | wimpies: dpkg -l | grep util-linux |
| 23:43.11 | wimpies | 2.12r-19etch1 |
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| 23:50.48 | vdm | пÑивеÑ! пожалÑйÑÑа помогиÑе Ñ ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ð°ÑÑÑнÑм глÑком в linux, пÑи нажаÑиÑÑ
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| 23:51.05 | slxix | is that russian? |
| 23:51.10 | kunwon1 | !ru |
| 23:51.10 | dpkg | from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:51.16 | mentor | It's certainly cryllic |
| 23:51.16 | kunwon1 | it's cyrillic.. |
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| 23:51.45 | slxix | i just see ?'s.. not running mlterm |
| 23:52.17 | mentor | Yay for terminals |
| 23:52.27 | dkr | it's utf8. you should use it. the whole world will be soon. :) |
| 23:52.37 | kunwon1 | he said it in #ubuntu too |
| 23:52.38 | mentor | Actually, it makes me happy that the font I'm using has those glyphs |
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| 23:53.05 | dkr | (although, oddly enough, #debian-russian still use koi8r instead of utf8) so they won't understand him either. heh |
| 23:53.25 | mentor | dkr: metadata issue. |
| 23:53.39 | Bushmills | i think he has te problem of multiple chars sent by one keystroke |
| 23:53.42 | micols__ | http://linux.rlogin.org/postfixerror anybody seen this error before? |
| 23:53.56 | micols__ | i am using postfix from the debian repos (etch) |
| 23:53.58 | Bushmills | "for example instead of " [privet]" , I obtain " [pppprrriiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvvetttttttt]" |
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| 23:54.28 | mentor | Bushmills: Is this a known specific problem? |
| 23:54.36 | dkr | Bushmills: good call, i was wonder why he extended hello out like that |
| 23:54.53 | Bushmills | with cordless keyboards when the batteries run low, i have that too |
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| 23:55.23 | mentor | Does anyone know the Russian for low battery? |
| 23:55.27 | dustybin | imagine i had 1000 computers what all need debian etch installed onto them |
| 23:55.32 | dustybin | is there a way to do that via PXE ? |
| 23:55.35 | dustybin | if so, how? |
| 23:55.36 | mentor | yes. |
| 23:55.40 | slxix | i used to get 'line noise' from my keyboard when a certain radio would transmit. |
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| 23:56.04 | Bushmills | низкие баÑаÑеи клавиаÑÑÑÑ |
| 23:56.05 | mentor | dustybin: There should be documentation on net booting in the installation manual |
| 23:56.24 | dustybin | ok |
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| 23:56.41 | mentor | Oh. He left already. Meh. |
| 23:56.43 | dkr | heh, I love how phonetic things are sometimes, batarei = battery |
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| 23:57.32 | dkr | some day all languages will be mutually intelligible simply because of all the technical terms added to them all at the same time |
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| 23:58.00 | mentor | Or will be irrelevant for the same reason? |
| 23:58.06 | slxix | my favorite one for japanese, so far, is kamera. |
| 23:58.15 | mentor | heh |
| 23:59.07 | dkr | anyone have nay ideas on how to debug my sluggish interface issue? someone recommended disabling compositing in my wm, but it turned out it already was. (the sluggishness happened after etch->lenny upgrade) |
| 23:59.36 | slxix | dkr: what interface is sluggish? |
| 23:59.51 | mentor | dkr: What's your resource utilisation like? |
