| 00:00.22 | dkr | <dkr> I upgraded etch->lenny and now my interface is quite sluggish. gnome/metacity - switching virtual desktops there is a 1 to 2 second delay redrawing the graphics of the apps on that screen, and even within applications like iceweasel and icedove switching tabs/menus and tooltips displaying/switching folders all taking a lot longer to display. also rhythmbox pausing on mp3 playing when I switch desktops. |
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| 00:00.47 | dkr | low load average, plenty of ram. |
| 00:01.19 | mentor | What is your CPU utilisation when you actually switch, and how much of that RAM is used? |
| 00:01.28 | mentor | (i.e., not by VM cache) |
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| 00:01.34 | mentor | s/VM/FS/ |
| 00:02.16 | dkr | free -m shows -/+ buffers/cache: 343 666 |
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| 00:03.30 | dkr | there is indeed a cpu spike when I switch. hard to be exact about it |
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| 00:04.21 | dkr | maybe I should try a different wm to confirmt he issue is metacity/gnome |
| 00:05.03 | slxix | what video card do you have? |
| 00:06.03 | Bushmills | dkr, different wallpapers on each desktop? |
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| 00:06.59 | dkr | intell onboard i845G |
| 00:07.30 | dkr | same wallpaper. didn't change anything except upgrade etch to lenny. :) |
| 00:08.11 | amphi | dkr: perhaps it's using EXA rather than XAA |
| 00:08.11 | slxix | do you have DRI enabled? |
| 00:08.13 | dkr | funky, the new xorg.conf doesn't include video driver entry. I guess that is the autoprobe stew mentioned earlier |
| 00:08.16 | Wyzard | dkr: If you get sluggishness switching tabs in iceweasel, that has nothing to do with Metacity/GNOME |
| 00:08.32 | amphi | dkr: you could try specifying XAA explicitly in your xorg.conf |
| 00:08.58 | dkr | Wyzard: good point. maybe this set of symptoms points to gtk, then? |
| 00:08.59 | amphi | dkr: grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be illuminating |
| 00:09.32 | Wyzard | dkr: I don't think iceweasel actually uses GTK, though I'm not sure of that |
| 00:09.47 | dkr | yeah, EXA enabled. and registered support for composite |
| 00:10.03 | Wyzard | dkr: You may be using a different video driver now -- the "intel" one rather than the "i810" one -- so it may need some tweaking |
| 00:10.10 | dkr | ah |
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| 00:10.26 | amphi | XAA would probably be faster - XAA->EXA by default is perhaps the major change with the upgrade |
| 00:10.43 | Bushmills | ldd /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin -> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb7b98000) |
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| 00:11.44 | Bushmills | (that's 3.0) |
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| 00:12.37 | konsl__ | I ran an apt-get install python2.5 successfully, but now when I try to install libraries, gcc craps out during compilation -- it seems to complain about missing a _lot_ of files in /usr/include/python2.5/ |
| 00:12.37 | konsl__ | Any ideas why those files would be missing? |
| 00:12.59 | Wyzard | konsl__: probably because you didn't install them :-) |
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| 00:13.16 | slxix | wow. Xorg is going to move to OpenGL. That's pretty cool. |
| 00:13.22 | Wyzard | konsl__: The python2.5 package is the interpreter and libraries for running Python programs, not the headers for compiling Python modules |
| 00:13.32 | Wyzard | konsl__: Developement headers are in -dev packages |
| 00:13.33 | konsl__ | For example |
| 00:13.40 | konsl__ | this: /usr/include/python2.5/Python.h:32:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:13.46 | konsl__ | I installed python2.5-dev |
| 00:13.57 | Wyzard | oh, then you're missing libc6-dev |
| 00:14.09 | konsl__ | Ah, great -- I'll try that; thanks |
| 00:14.18 | Wyzard | Install the build-essential package; that brings in the core stuff as dependencies |
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| 00:18.19 | dkr | I'm off to test X config changes. thanks for ideas. I'll be back later if I didn't break everything. :) |
| 00:19.33 | ginajohn | hi ive got elive gem 1.0 and it wont install im usin a sata dvd drive it comes up with tty turned off or summin? |
| 00:19.39 | ginajohn | any ideas |
| 00:20.50 | Wyzard | ginajohn: Elive Gem isn't supported here -- we have no idea what modifications the Elive people made to normal Debian |
| 00:21.17 | Wyzard | ginajohn: It probably has its own IRC channel somewhere |
| 00:21.20 | ginajohn | bloody hell theyv all died on the elive site i cant get an answer lol |
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| 00:22.14 | konsl__ | Where can I get mysql-devel -- my current sources.list must not have it |
| 00:22.32 | slxix | holy crap. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/lenovo.html is one of the most disgusting readings on the internet. :P |
| 00:23.30 | Wyzard | konsl__: libmysqlclient15-dev perhaps? |
| 00:23.48 | Wyzard | konsl__: That's the only -dev package built from the mysql-dfsg-5.0 source package (which is what mysql-server and mysql-client are built from) |
| 00:24.09 | konsl__ | I installed mysql-server, but not mysql-client |
| 00:24.13 | konsl__ | I'll give libmysqlclient15-dev a try |
| 00:24.32 | Wyzard | What are you trying to build? |
| 00:25.05 | Wyzard | mysql-client is the command-line "mysql" program that you use to interact with a database from a terminal window |
| 00:25.14 | konsl__ | Currently, MySQL-python-1.2.2 |
| 00:25.22 | Wyzard | libmysqlclient15 is the client library used by anything that talks to a MySQL server |
| 00:25.33 | konsl__ | Sounds like that's what I need |
| 00:25.51 | Wyzard | Have you looked at the python-mysqldb package? |
| 00:26.29 | konsl__ | That did the trick though |
| 00:26.37 | konsl__ | I had problems getting those packages using apt-get |
| 00:26.43 | konsl__ | That's why I'm manually installing most |
| 00:26.47 | Wyzard | You probably don't need to (and actually shouldn't) compile mysql-python manually |
| 00:26.56 | Wyzard | What sort of problems? |
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| 00:27.06 | konsl__ | I never got a 404, but instead: Package python-iconvcodec is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:27.09 | konsl__ | Things like that |
| 00:27.14 | Wyzard | konsl__: Are you running lenny? |
| 00:27.20 | konsl__ | E: Package python-iconvcodec has no installation candidate |
| 00:27.21 | konsl__ | etch |
| 00:27.46 | konsl__ | Yet clearly, I see these packages in http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/python-iconvcodec/ for example |
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| 00:28.38 | greeg | hi |
| 00:28.42 | Wyzard | There doesn't seem to be a python-iconvcodec in etch -- "apt-cache policy python-iconvcodec" turns up nothing on an up-to-date etch system -- but python-mysqldb doesn't depend on it anyway so I see no problem |
| 00:28.51 | greeg | do i need to know grep prior to installing duel boot (windows AND Debian) ? |
| 00:29.25 | greeg | i just backed up all my stuff. not worried about loosing data in the process. im aware that windows will over write my linux stuff. |
| 00:29.29 | slxix | greeg: grep? or grub? |
| 00:29.36 | greeg | yes grub. sorry |
| 00:30.00 | konsl__ | Wyzard: re dependencies, it's not necessarily dependent -- I was just using it as an example. I'm installing many libs |
| 00:30.10 | konsl__ | Currently, bdb, which won't be pretty I'm sure |
| 00:30.15 | ArthurArchnix | I've got a partition called Backup mounted at /nix however, I don't want it to show up on my desktop. I do however want mounted volumes on my desktop. THis is gnome on Lenny... under ubuntu, only stuff under /media or /mnt got put on the desktop. But it did that out of the box, so I never had to learn how. Now I am wondering... |
| 00:30.23 | greeg | is etch friendly enuff to figure out that the remianing hard drive space is what i want to use for Debian ? |
| 00:30.34 | greeg | or provide an option |
| 00:30.57 | greeg | AND can i partition ntfs from the debian cd ? or do i have to do that from the windows environment. |
| 00:31.11 | greeg | i havent used windows in years. |
| 00:31.30 | Doctor_Nick | whoa, whoa, whoa |
| 00:31.35 | Doctor_Nick | Jaaksi, Nokia's vice president of software and head of the Finnish handset manufacturer's open-source operations, said: "We want to educate open-source developers. There are certain business rules [developers] need to obey, such as DRM, IPR [intellectual property rights], SIM locks and subsidised business models." |
| 00:31.42 | Doctor_Nick | what the FUCK, man |
| 00:31.55 | Wyzard | konsl__: You should use packages if at all possible |
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| 00:32.14 | slxix | Doctor_Nick: he's in his own world. let him be. :) |
| 00:32.19 | konsl__ | http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/d/db4.6/ :) |
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| 00:32.33 | error404 | is there a 'debian way' to get 'vim' to work again? in testing i only have vim.basic, vim.tiny etc. |
| 00:32.43 | error404 | it used to work in etch if you install vim-full package, but it's gone |
| 00:32.47 | Doctor_Nick | slxix: i would be a little less worried if nokia didnt own trolltech, which develops qt and kde :/ |
| 00:32.48 | Murilok | channel of scan pls send msg |
| 00:32.58 | konsl__ | Wyzard: W: Unable to locate package db4.6 |
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| 00:33.02 | konsl__ | LOL, no luck for me today |
| 00:33.05 | slxix | greeg: if everything is backed up, then go for it. debian is normally quite sane. |
| 00:33.18 | greeg | kk |
| 00:33.23 | greeg | im ditching Ubuntu |
| 00:34.04 | error404 | no vim users on debian? :o |
| 00:34.16 | greeg | emacs here |
| 00:34.26 | pyth0n | hi |
| 00:34.27 | Doctor_Nick | nano fo lyfe |
| 00:34.33 | slxix | as for ntfs, i've heard many questions about that here. the answers usually are installing ntfs-3g. (I've never installed it/never used it/don't really know.) |
| 00:34.36 | Wyzard | konsl__: You pointed to a directory of packages on ftp.debian.org, but notice that there's no .deb file called db4.6 in that directory |
| 00:34.50 | Wyzard | konsl__: The library is libdb4.6 |
| 00:35.15 | konsl__ | Ah, I see -- sorry, I'm new to most of this |
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| 00:35.43 | slxix | greeg: and if you're new to debian etch, you might be interested in backports or etchnhalf. /msg dpkg about them. |
| 00:36.08 | Wyzard | konsl__: First thing to learn, then: Debian's package system *does* work -- don't toss it aside and build from source the moment something doesn't go exactly as you expect :-) |
| 00:36.35 | konsl__ | Agreed -- what's the best way to determine what package includes the library I'm interested in -- a website or something perhaps? |
| 00:37.00 | Wyzard | There's no libdb4.6 in etch btw, only 4.2, 4.3, and 4.4 |
| 00:37.05 | ArthurArchnix | See... there must be an exclude paths variable because system partitions don't show up on my desktop. |
| 00:37.08 | Wyzard | konsl__: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:37.14 | Doctor_Nick | oh, christ |
| 00:37.15 | Wyzard | konsl__: or browse around in aptitude's interactive mode |
| 00:37.29 | Doctor_Nick | that quote was taken out of context |
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| 00:37.49 | Wyzard | konsl__: Browsing the package pool on ftp.debian.org directly, you're not seeing what's in etch, you're seeing what's in etch *or* lenny *or* sid *or* experimental |
| 00:38.06 | slxix | Doctor_Nick: sounds biblical. :) |
| 00:38.21 | Doctor_Nick | "Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things stand]. These are touchy, emotional issues but this dialogue is very much needed. As an industry, we plan to use open-source technologies but we are not yet ready to play by the rules; but this needs to work the other way round too." |
| 00:38.36 | Wyzard | konsl__: Libraries in Debian are almost always in packages with names beginning in "lib" |
| 00:38.56 | Wyzard | konsl__: Development headers are in packages with a name based on that of the library package, with a "-dev" suffix |
| 00:39.05 | Wyzard | konsl__: e.g. libfoo0, libfoo-dev |
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| 00:39.19 | konsl__ | Wyzard: Thanks for all your help -- I appreciate it |
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| 00:48.34 | TimRusset | oooWOOowowowowowowahautingOWOWOWOWOyourDREAMSahaohohohohohahahaha |
| 00:48.57 | Doctor_Nick | "What's the business model? I don't know." |
| 00:49.03 | TimRusset | I AM FUCKING DEAD |
| 00:49.04 | Doctor_Nick | thanks jon scwartz |
| 00:49.07 | Doctor_Nick | :( |
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| 00:59.24 | interbird | there is gold, there is silver and there is paper; only the last of these three has true value |
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| 01:03.14 | Bushmills | interbird: no. gold is great for high quality connectors |
| 01:03.21 | Bushmills | try to use paper for that |
| 01:05.17 | peterrooney | Bushmills: try choking back a marley rolled in gold :) |
| 01:05.42 | interbird | no; in that context, silver is the best connector, after copper; still paper is the best 'connector' of all; because it 'connects through time' |
| 01:06.26 | Bushmills | peterrooney: can still make butter |
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| 01:08.07 | Bushmills | silver and copper both react with sulfur, which reduces the surface conductivity. gold doesn't |
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| 01:10.11 | Daenyth_ | Hi, I'm on a really slow connection, so I'd rather not dig around the website for a ton of stuff.. Can someone give me a urls for some packages? Either the original project, or failing that the debian page |
| 01:10.19 | Daenyth_ | I assume dpkg can give that info for packages.. |
| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | Daenyth_: packages.debian.org/foopkg |
| 01:10.33 | Daenyth_ | ahh, thanks |
| 01:10.53 | Daenyth_ | does that have a link to the original source, or is it only relating to the debian package |
| 01:10.59 | Daenyth_ | I'm porting some stuff to another distro |
| 01:11.12 | santa_gumby | Where's the official status of KDE4 inclusion in lenny? I find early lenny announcement speculation about it getting in that, but no useful current info. |
| 01:11.19 | Daenyth_ | rather not much with deb2targz unless I have to |
| 01:11.24 | Daenyth_ | muck^ |
| 01:11.49 | interbird | is lenny official already ? |
| 01:11.51 | dondelelcaro | Daenyth_: yes, it links to the original project homepage and the source that we distribute. |
| 01:11.54 | dondelelcaro | interbird: no. |
| 01:12.02 | dondelelcaro | well, it's official, but it's not released. |
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| 01:12.36 | Daenyth_ | perfect, thanks much |
| 01:13.52 | interbird | santa_gumby: if lenny is not official how could kde4 be official in lenny ? |
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| 01:14.33 | Daenyth_ | dondelelcaro: do you know where on the page? Perhaps this one is just hosted by debian only... libgtk2.0. I can't seem to see a link to the original homepage |
| 01:14.40 | xsdg | interbird: because decisions are made before the actual release? |
| 01:14.42 | santa_gumby | interbird: rephrased question: "Will KDE4 make it into lenny?" |
| 01:14.43 | Daenyth_ | apart from the orig.tar.gz |
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| 01:14.57 | dondelelcaro | Daenyth_: not everything has the hopepage link, but a lot of things do. |
| 01:15.09 | Daenyth_ | ok, thanks |
| 01:15.15 | dondelelcaro | Daenyth_: the copyright will tell you where the orig.tar.gz was downloaded from, though, which should be identical to the upstream source (in most cases) |
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| 01:16.15 | santa_gumby | So is there any decision on KDE4 yet? I would think such a large change would have to be decided soon for the expected Q3 lenny release... |
| 01:18.02 | interbird | xsdg: you mean before the actual release, like unofficial ? |
| 01:18.13 | interbird | santa_gumby: time will tell |
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| 01:20.31 | Tyler___ | hoping someone could help me find my ip address, i am at a remote location trying to ssh in to my computer. i think it's been assigned a new ip. what tools can i use to find it's local ip address? |
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| 01:20.57 | Daenyth_ | moment |
| 01:21.16 | Bushmills | Tyler___: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi |
| 01:21.17 | Daenyth_ | #!/bin/bash |
| 01:21.17 | Daenyth_ | lynx -dump 'http://whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp' | awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 01:21.24 | Daenyth_ | or that |
| 01:21.27 | dondelelcaro | !myip |
| 01:21.27 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 01:21.30 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: see above |
| 01:21.31 | Daenyth_ | wget would probably work just as well as lynx |
| 01:21.35 | Tyler___ | sorry, i wasn't clear |
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| 01:22.01 | Tyler___ | i'm not at the computer, and i can ssh into the network. but once i am on the network i don't know how to get the ip address of that machine |
| 01:22.16 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: you'd have to hope it logs into some machine you control or does something else automated |
| 01:22.33 | Tyler___ | i don't think it will do any of that |
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| 01:22.48 | Tyler___ | i had called in earlier to have someone turn it on |
| 01:23.10 | Tyler___ | was hoping i could find based on where the ssh server is listening |
| 01:23.18 | Tyler___ | or by looking for it |
| 01:23.21 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: not unless you know what ip range it's on |
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| 01:23.28 | Tyler___ | well i do |
| 01:23.32 | Tyler___ | i know the local ip range |
| 01:23.37 | Tyler___ | 192.168.10.xx |
| 01:23.42 | Tyler___ | and i know it's previous ip |
| 01:23.42 | dondelelcaro | (in which case you'd use nmap with -sT and other appropriate options, but that's often rude) |
| 01:23.53 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: uh... I mean it's remote IP. |
| 01:23.54 | Tyler___ | i've been trying nmap with several options and netstat |
| 01:24.21 | Tyler___ | well, i'm not being clear, i know the remote ip of the building |
| 01:24.27 | Tyler___ | there is a server for the building wiht a fixed ip |
| 01:24.35 | Tyler___ | my machine is not exposed to the outsdie world |
| 01:24.40 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: oh, so you ssh to that machine, then to your machine? |
| 01:24.40 | Tyler___ | but i can ssh into the server |
| 01:24.46 | Tyler___ | and then i want to ssh into my machine |
| 01:24.48 | Tyler___ | yup |
| 01:24.50 | interbird | Tyler___: 192.xxx.xxx.xxx is local; if you are remote and this box is also, and it can be accessed it has a global ip; either throught NAT or directly |
| 01:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: ah, ok; ssh to the server, then nmap -sT -p 22 192.168.10.1-255; or similar; and you should be good to go. |
| 01:25.16 | Tyler___ | interbird: what dondelelcaro said was correct |
| 01:25.30 | Tyler___ | that looks good, i'll try it out |
| 01:25.38 | Bushmills | Tyler___: ezipupdate with a dyndns account can help |
| 01:25.38 | Tyler___ | why could that be rude? at this hour no one should be on the network |
| 01:25.47 | interbird | yes |
| 01:25.51 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: oh, it's no problem on a network you control |
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| 01:26.04 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: it's a problem if you're scanning bits of the internet, though. ;-) |
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| 01:26.24 | Tyler___ | i figured it should be doable, and yes i wouldn't try it on the remote ip :) |
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| 01:26.42 | slxix | if you do nmap the internet, be sure to offer the results to the rest of the world. :) |
| 01:27.17 | enveezee | y'know, I freed up like 10+gb just deleting dotfiles in my homedir... but I apparently deleted .sawfish/ by accident, now I can't even figure out how to work my pc.. heh |
| 01:27.35 | enveezee | I didn't realize how many custom bindings and stuff I had come to depend on |
| 01:27.55 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: that's why backups and a home in svn are good things |
| 01:28.11 | enveezee | yeah well I deleted dotfiles in my backup homedirs too.. heh |
| 01:28.20 | enveezee | my drive was 99% full |
| 01:28.45 | slxix | do you have only one partition? |
| 01:28.47 | Tyler___ | dondelelcaro: that worked, thank you! |
| 01:28.55 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: np |
| 01:29.06 | enveezee | yeah I used to make seperate partitions but it just got too complicated |
| 01:29.10 | dondelelcaro | Tyler___: I suggest studying the nmap manpage to see why it did if it doesn't already make sense. |
| 01:29.25 | Tyler___ | that's what i'm doing now, looking up those options |
| 01:29.26 | Tyler___ | -sT |
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| 01:29.34 | Tyler___ | the rest of it did |
| 01:29.35 | enveezee | the issue was I have several drives here that I need to backup that are NTFS so I can format them EXT3 and put the crap back on.. but had no space to do so |
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| 01:29.56 | greeg | hi |
| 01:30.03 | interbird | dotfiles are like little notes; wipe them and some of your (short-time) memory will be gone... |
| 01:30.09 | greeg | how can i cp files and skip existing coppies ? |
| 01:30.11 | Bushmills | Tyler___: do you have an smtp server on the machine you're looking for? |
| 01:30.21 | enveezee | I figured deleting thumbnails, incomplete d/ls, trash..etc that were in those dotfiles would be the easiest way to free up some space without having to burn important data to DVD |
| 01:30.22 | Tyler___ | no, just on the machine i am sshed into |
| 01:30.28 | simonrvn | hands enveezee a 2x4 , some nails, and an usb key |
| 01:30.38 | enveezee | I guess I got carried away |
| 01:30.41 | Tyler___ | but i was able to find it using dondelelcaro's advice |
| 01:30.52 | enveezee | simonrvn: what the heck is the 2x4 and nails for? |
| 01:31.00 | interbird | dotfiles also do not clean-up much space... |
| 01:31.04 | enveezee | has a handful of 16 penny nails on his desk |
| 01:31.13 | simonrvn | making a desk for the other computer |
| 01:31.18 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 01:31.26 | enveezee | hah |
| 01:31.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:31.51 | enveezee | my desk is huge.. it can fit 3 computers comfortably.. probably 5 or more if you wanna get a little cramped |
| 01:32.11 | dondelelcaro | greeg: you want rsync |
| 01:32.27 | dondelelcaro | (well, almost certainly want rsync) |
| 01:32.29 | greeg | thnx |
| 01:33.19 | simonrvn | our desk is a large plywood board, and two of those fold-down legs you can attach to things, supported by a piece of furniture in the middle, that we found in the garbage |
| 01:33.36 | simonrvn | ghet-to |
| 01:33.39 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 01:34.02 | enveezee | haha.. well mine is actually a big table with sturdy metal legs and a single small plastic drawer that pulls out from underneath |
| 01:34.14 | simonrvn | neat |
| 01:34.16 | enveezee | Its pictured in the my apt video on my myspace |
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| 01:34.23 | interbird | and, on attachment one of the legs breaks... :-) |
| 01:34.30 | enveezee | though I've gotten more furniture and stuff since I shot that video |
| 01:34.37 | enveezee | I just haven't gotten organized yet.. |
| 01:34.50 | enveezee | I still got my pantry closet full of computer parts more so than food and stuff |
| 01:34.59 | interbird | that's the excuse we all have... |
| 01:35.20 | simonrvn | yeh, i keep getting bugged to get rid of stuff like that |
| 01:35.33 | enveezee | well thats the advantage of living alone |
| 01:35.38 | enveezee | nobody bitches |
| 01:35.40 | dondelelcaro | http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2004/03_march/new_shelves_2004_0327/002_more_of_the_desk_and_beer_20040327.jpg <-- my desk |
| 01:35.40 | enveezee | but me.. |
| 01:35.51 | simonrvn | what, you don't get bugged? ;p |
| 01:36.25 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: hah, I finally moved away from those big crt monitors.. I'm all flat screens now. |
| 01:36.38 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I've got larger ones on the desk at school. |
| 01:37.00 | simonrvn | haha, looks like ours except neater, and no neat shelving like that |
| 01:37.05 | interbird | dondelelcare has such a nice desk; it's too neat :-) |
| 01:37.24 | simonrvn | brb, restarting my screen session |
| 01:37.25 | slxix | that picture is from 2004.. :) |
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| 01:40.00 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: those monitors look especially familiar ;). 1X" apple multiscans? |
| 01:40.06 | enveezee | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=35365559 (my apt) heh.. right after I moved in. looks different now |
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| 01:40.40 | interbird | Anyone into xmms2 to help lazy me get it working somewhat like xmms? |
| 01:41.04 | enveezee | then theres the one where I am fixing my digital camera and as I'm putting the screen back on, with both the batteries and backup clock battery removed I still manage to shock the hell out of myself.. pretty funny actually |
| 01:41.08 | enveezee | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=135284078 |
| 01:41.10 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: they're 19" viewsonic multiscans, yeah. |
| 01:41.11 | simonrvn | daemonise xmms2 and run a client. easy. |
| 01:41.19 | dondelelcaro | likes viewsonic CRTs |
| 01:41.44 | dondelelcaro | (though I'm going to switch to LCDs soon) |
| 01:41.53 | enveezee | has a 17" LCD and doesn't care much for it |
| 01:41.57 | simonrvn | those are nice too. they're also trinitron i think? |
| 01:42.00 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 01:42.10 | enveezee | the damn thing barely does anything when you adjust the brightness/contrast |
| 01:42.16 | enveezee | the dells I've had are much nicer |
| 01:42.20 | interbird | simonrvn: where's the gui fe or am i missing it ? |
| 01:42.43 | simonrvn | interbird: that's the client. it's a client/server model in v2 |
| 01:43.08 | simonrvn | gets some food on |
| 01:43.28 | interbird | i know, so where's the gui client? -- i must be blind ? |
| 01:43.55 | dondelelcaro | (you have it's equivalent which starts with deb-src) |
| 01:44.15 | dondelelcaro | interbird: you have xmms2-client-avahi installed? |
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| 01:44.31 | interbird | checking... |
| 01:44.34 | dondelelcaro | (or something like that?) |
| 01:44.50 | dondelelcaro | doesn't use xmms or xmms2, so can't tell you precisely what to do. |
| 01:45.32 | interbird | yes i have |
| 01:45.37 | SerajewelKS | i have a bridge with two interfaces, eth2 and tap0 |
| 01:45.52 | SerajewelKS | for some reason, broadcasts coming in on tap0 correctly get sent out eth2 |
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| 01:47.36 | interbird | dondelelcaro: yes i have; how the f can i get a gui like xmms was? is xmms2 that different from xmms? |
| 01:47.58 | dondelelcaro | interbird: that package should contain some kind of gui |
| 01:48.02 | dondelelcaro | interbird: and yes, it is. |
| 01:48.23 | simonrvn | iirc it was re-done from scratch |
| 01:48.53 | SerajewelKS | but broadcasts coming in eth2 don't get sent out tap0 |
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| 01:49.16 | SerajewelKS | what could be the cause of this? there doesn't seem to be anything in iptables that would affect the routing |
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| 01:50.14 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 01:50.37 | karmatronic | know a good "task" manager packaged in debian ? |
| 01:50.51 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: top |
| 01:51.04 | simonrvn | good answer :) |
| 01:51.15 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 01:51.17 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: wait do you mean "task" as in "process" or as in "to-do list" |
| 01:51.26 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: to-do list ... |
| 01:51.27 | interbird | dondelelcaro: let me rephrase... can i use xmms2 like xmms in the sense that a have 'some-kinda-gui' connecting to this xmms2-server looking or acting like xmms did ? if you know of ? |
| 01:51.30 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: vi |
| 01:51.35 | SerajewelKS | hides |
| 01:52.02 | karmatronic | interbird: yes |
| 01:52.19 | interbird | karmatronic: how please ? |
| 01:52.24 | karmatronic | interbird: there are some xmms2 gui clients that can control remotely an xmms2 daemon |
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| 01:52.50 | karmatronic | interbird: be aware that it doesnt mean listening remotely |
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| 01:53.31 | SerajewelKS | the bridge was working just fine |
| 01:53.36 | interbird | karmatronic: the deamon i understand; but i cannot find the client to connect to it -- not remotely thinking (yet) |
| 01:53.38 | SerajewelKS | now for some reason, broadcast packets are all fucked up |
| 01:54.06 | karmatronic | interbird: gxmms2 |
| 01:54.39 | karmatronic | interbird: ther es a list in xmms2 wiki |
| 01:54.39 | dondelelcaro | interbird: yes, there should be some gui client |
| 01:54.50 | dondelelcaro | interbird: I thought avahi was one, but apparently it isn't |
| 01:55.01 | SerajewelKS | actually i don't think it is a broadcast reply |
| 01:55.04 | SerajewelKS | pretty sure it's unicast |
| 01:55.13 | SerajewelKS | the bridge just isn't forwarding it at all |
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| 01:55.17 | karmatronic | interbird: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/XMMS2_Clients |
| 01:55.39 | karmatronic | interbird: esperanza is fine |
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| 01:56.06 | interbird | karmatronic: *you* helped me ! Now I know where to go further. |
| 01:56.14 | karmatronic | :) |
| 01:56.17 | interbird | thanks ! |
| 01:56.50 | SerajewelKS | nope the reply is multicast |
| 01:56.59 | SerajewelKS | multicast from tap0 goes tap0 -> br0 -> eth2 |
| 01:57.08 | SerajewelKS | multicast from eth2 goes eth2 -> br0 |
| 01:57.18 | SerajewelKS | why the hell won't it reach tap0 |
| 01:57.40 | karmatronic | just try this hamachi thing btw and is t real fun |
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| 01:59.00 | SerajewelKS | this has been bugging me for a month |
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| 02:00.17 | slxix | Hamachi sounds like a hack |
| 02:01.22 | karmatronic | slxix: it s like a "vpn for the dummies" thing,but that can turn quite useful |
| 02:02.16 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: i meant something like korganizer |
| 02:02.30 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: i know |
| 02:02.34 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: i was being a duck |
| 02:02.35 | SerajewelKS | dick too |
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| 02:02.51 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: they seem to call that a PIM |
| 02:07.34 | interbird | esperanza is not in testing, true? |
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| 02:15.29 | interbird | karmatronic: just one second more of your time; gxmms2 says xmms2d is not running... (not in /etc/init.d/xmm*) or as a package |
| 02:15.44 | karmatronic | back |
| 02:16.12 | karmatronic | interbird: you need to launch xmms2-launcher first on the machine hosting the music |
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| 02:19.18 | ole- | hello!, since I dist-upgraded yesterday lenny I am getting this msg when starting mysql: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1558/imagen1qj6.png |
| 02:19.20 | ole- | any clues? |
| 02:19.48 | karsten | ole-: It rhymes with orange. |
| 02:20.10 | ole- | what does? |
| 02:20.19 | karsten | ole-: That was the clue. It's not a very good one. |
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| 02:20.50 | markybob | nothing. which was the point :P it's supposed to be funny |
| 02:20.59 | ole- | oh my, if 4:20am here, not the best moment for riddles :( |
| 02:21.11 | karsten | ole-: Apparently there's a job running which has bad SQL syntax. "show processlist;" as root (mysql root, not OS system root) should show what queries are running. |
| 02:21.20 | interbird | karmatronic: ok, so this is the actual deamon, i guess; well i'll go figuring this new xmms2 thing out and i guess the separation between a server and clients is a good way to go, it's not easy to get it working. Many thanks for your help. |
| 02:21.34 | karsten | ole-: ... alternatively, what is it that msyql is supporting? An application may have bad syntax, may be poorly initialized, etc. |
| 02:22.25 | karsten | parks ole- somewhere in Europe. |
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| 02:22.48 | ole- | karsten but it is happening when I start the mysql service, so I don't think is some app doing bad things |
| 02:23.08 | ole- | must be some kind of startup script |
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| 02:26.37 | pablo_ | hi, can a segfault be caused by cpus temperature (i have the power supply next to the cpu cooler, it came like that), how can i check this? |
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| 02:29.23 | karmatronic | pablo_: dont think so |
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| 02:30.13 | pablo_ | karmatronic: ok, because i have to restart the computer every day due to a segfault |
| 02:30.44 | karmatronic | ole-: miguel ? you seem to hav an error in some config gile |
| 02:30.47 | karmatronic | file |
| 02:31.03 | interbird | pablo_: it could; if the temp is too high the cpu might fault at some instructions causing a segfault but it's not likely |
| 02:31.18 | ole- | karmatronic what makes you think I am miguel |
| 02:31.50 | karmatronic | ole-: dont know....your image maybe.... |
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| 02:32.49 | karmatronic | pablo_: check /var/log/messages near a reboot |
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| 02:34.22 | pablo_ | karma |
| 02:35.01 | interbird | comesaroundgoesaround |
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| 02:36.02 | ole- | is it possible to downgrade from lenny to etch? changing sources.list to stable and dist-upgrading will suffice? |
| 02:36.13 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 02:36.13 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
| 02:36.14 | stack | no |
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| 02:37.08 | interbird | only selectively; not as a distro; must know what you are doing |
| 02:37.19 | ole- | I see, thanks |
| 02:37.21 | daeos | anyone here familiar with kde ? |
| 02:37.43 | markybob | daeos, #debian-kde or #kde would be |
| 02:37.47 | daeos | ok |
| 02:37.49 | daeos | thanks |
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| 02:38.17 | stack | I recompiled the kernel including suspend to ram , but when restarting from a hibernate (from gnome)the sistem do the boot normally ...any idea why it's happening? I didn't include default resume partition in kernel config |
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| 02:38.44 | schwepps | What's the difference between images in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/? Both are 'testing'... |
| 02:38.55 | stack | note: the sistem hibernate correctly. |
| 02:39.17 | stack | schwepps: the first i a weekly build... |
| 02:39.20 | interbird | stack: there is also a kernel parameter for that: maybe check it out in the kernel-source-docs |
| 02:39.37 | stack | interbird: for that what? :) |
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| 02:39.52 | schwepps | stack: beta's are... freezes of testing branch? |
| 02:40.17 | amphi | stack: does the kernel know from which partition to attempt to resume? you may need 'resume=/dev/foo' on the kernel command line |
| 02:40.30 | jimisrvrox2 | hey folks I am wanting to install debian on my linux box but I also want to keep Puppy Linux on there as well..I am looking for some help with Gparted..as I have the app up and I want to give Puppy 10GB out of my 40GB drive and as of right now I have puppy set up for ext3, swap, extended partitions which leaves me with 39GB of space so my question is how do I tell Gparted that I want Puppy to have 10GB of space and then im sure with the |
| 02:40.49 | stack | amphi: yes I'm trying to pass that option just now to grub, but it seems to fail anyway |
| 02:41.26 | amphi | how are you causing the suspend to disk? |
| 02:41.31 | stack | schwepps: it should be documented somewhere you are donloading from |
| 02:41.35 | JordiGH | Ooh, singularity-music has got some good tunes. |
| 02:41.56 | stack | amphi: from gnome , the default interface to shut down the system |
| 02:41.59 | JordiGH | Under a weird copyright. It looks like it's some non-free CC, but at the very end it says "Debian packaging is GPLv2 or later." |
| 02:42.03 | interbird | stack: read the documentation of the kernel source; about kernel parameters; also your hibernate-partition must be bigger than your ram |
| 02:42.08 | JordiGH | So why include the CC license? |
| 02:42.18 | stack | i think it use a default script.. not sure which |
| 02:42.27 | amphi | stack: I know nothing of that; does it work if you do 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' ? |
| 02:42.38 | stack | mh I'll try |
| 02:43.05 | interbird | hibernate != suspend |
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| 02:43.25 | \amethyst | JordiGH: that sounds like the debian/ directory is GPL2, everything else is CC |
| 02:43.43 | stack | interbird: also in the case that the ram is not full and the occupied space fits to the swap? |
| 02:43.58 | JordiGH | Only problem with CC licenses is that artists get very confused when presented with a GPL and think that "oh noes dey steel mah tunes"! |
| 02:44.02 | stack | I'm boried to use gparted to resize partitions :P |
| 02:44.07 | stack | rr |
| 02:44.07 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ah, makes sense. |
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| 02:44.30 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Or maybe not. I thought the packaging meant the whole thing is packaging. I didn't think any of the CC licenses were actually free? |
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| 02:45.02 | batcoder-7 | anyone here familiar with pXE ? |
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| 02:46.00 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: best to just ask your question |
| 02:46.18 | JordiGH | wesnoth has had problems in the past with artists misunderstanding the GPL. Like when other Wesnoth devs draw over some artwork submitted to the game and the original artist gets offended that their work was "defaced". |
| 02:46.22 | JordiGH | strips all humans of ego. |
| 02:46.31 | JordiGH | I'm totally offtopic, aren't I? |
| 02:48.00 | interbird | stack: ? hibernate is dumping to disk; suspensing is putting the cpu and chipsets asleep -- both 'sleep methods' are very different |
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| 02:50.30 | tymonn | howdy :) |
| 02:50.51 | stack | interbird: I'm trying to hibernate...did I talked about suspend? |
| 02:50.58 | tymonn | which repositories do you recommend?? |
| 02:50.59 | stack | suspend works |
| 02:51.11 | stack | !repository |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 02:51.21 | stack | wow it worked :D |
| 02:51.39 | stack | (the bot not the hibernate :P ) |
| 02:51.56 | interbird | stack: sorry for trying to understand you; did i say i'd help you ? |
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| 02:53.08 | stack | interbird: no I didn't read it ... did you? |
| 02:53.14 | stack | what a mess :D |
| 02:56.28 | interbird | stack: sometimes it's difficult to separate people with more knowlegde from ones with less; i'm sure you know more. My fault, sorry. |
| 02:57.20 | stack | interbird: no problem ;) , I understanded your comportament (comportament exists in english?) :D |
| 02:57.37 | stack | anyway don't worry |
| 02:57.40 | interbird | ? |
| 02:57.53 | mmlj4 | I have a chronic postfix problem, ever since switching to debian |
| 02:57.59 | interbird | yes :-) |
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| 02:58.52 | mmlj4 | postfix likes to stop accepting mail... i have to stop/start the daemon, then it accepts for some minutes, then goes back to lying on the sofa and ignoring all requests |
| 02:58.56 | interbird | compartment? |
| 02:59.32 | batcoder-7 | what is SAN booting ? |
| 02:59.34 | JordiGH | I guess you have a postfix for which the !doesn't work factoid actually applies. |
| 03:00.16 | esaym | hello |
| 03:00.17 | esaym | howdy |
| 03:00.30 | esaym | Who has answers please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/20037/ |
| 03:00.31 | esaym | rofl |
| 03:01.30 | stack | seems to guessed the problem, s2disk needs a initramfs, which I didn't create :) |
| 03:01.48 | interbird | turn it off and then on again; you might be surprised about the effectivness of this medicine :-) |
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| 03:11.01 | mmlj4 | JordiGH: you missed the part about the problem existing only after I left some other distro and started using debian |
| 03:11.10 | mmlj4 | ergo, it's a bloomin' debian problem |
| 03:11.38 | mmlj4 | i won't bore you with details of having to give up clamav because of debian packaging |
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| 03:12.11 | wols_ | sounda like a clamav problem to me, not a postfix one |
| 03:12.36 | mmlj4 | wols_: i don't run clamav anymore, not for months |
| 03:12.57 | wols_ | and I run postfix for years now without any non-accepting |
| 03:13.07 | wols_ | checked logs? |
| 03:13.17 | mmlj4 | i tail them night and day |
| 03:13.31 | wols_ | and what exactly happens when postfix refuses to work? |
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| 03:13.42 | nollidj | is people.debian.org down? |
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| 03:14.20 | phyburn | is there anyway to search a folder for files that have been editted recently? |
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| 03:14.52 | interbird | phyburn: checkout the find command: man find |
| 03:14.53 | nollidj | the flashplugin-nonfree package pulls a file from there, and it looks like the whole subdomain is unresponsive |
| 03:15.45 | mmlj4 | it stops accepting mail, it refuses connections, etc. |
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| 03:17.15 | nollidj | mmlj4: (if you were responding to me): i don't know about mail, but ping and traceroute both fail to reach it |
| 03:17.34 | wols_ | how can you know if stops accepting mail when it refuses connections in the first place? |
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| 03:18.29 | nollidj | i've tried from two different hosts, so... anyone know a contact person for people.debian.org ? |
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| 03:18.49 | nollidj | and can any of you all get to it? (if not, what does traceroute say?) |
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| 03:18.58 | mmlj4 | nollidj: fail to reach what? |
| 03:19.02 | nollidj | people.debian.org |
| 03:20.02 | interbird | http://people.debian.org hang with me too |
| 03:20.14 | nollidj | i have a half-way configured flashplugin-nonfree i can't reinstall or remove because its automatic update script (which needs to be run to finish configuration) tries to download a file from people.debian.org. since people.debian.org appears to be down, i came here to share the good news |
| 03:21.01 | interbird | thank you |
| 03:21.18 | interbird | tried gnash ? |
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| 03:21.31 | mmlj4 | wols_: would you be willing to gander at my .cf files? # but again, I never had problems before, ran postfix for years on suse with no issues (clamav too) |
| 03:21.33 | nollidj | interbird: that's not the issue; i just want to have the package configured correctly |
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| 03:22.09 | nollidj | i can yank it out manually or neuter the postinst script, so it's not such a big deal |
| 03:22.21 | nollidj | i mostly wish to spread the word that people.debian.org is down... |
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| 03:22.41 | interbird | nollidj: i understand, but nobody here can make this site go online; patience is the only remedy... |
| 03:23.28 | nollidj | yes. i'm asking if there are any contact people, mostly |
| 03:23.43 | nollidj | popcon.debian.org also appears unreachable |
| 03:24.08 | interbird | nollidj: why would you want to notice this on a site of a free os about a non-free gadget ? |
| 03:24.32 | nollidj | i don't understand your question |
| 03:25.42 | interbird | nollidj: why would you want to make people here (debian; free operating system) about a site being down for a non-free plugin ? |
| 03:26.01 | nollidj | because it's a debian subdomain? |
| 03:26.06 | \amethyst | interbird: because it's a Debian site that's down |
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| 03:27.01 | interbird | ah, \amethyst, okee; nothing said nollidl; did not know that. |
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| 03:28.05 | damog | hi |
| 03:29.04 | stack | yeah hibernate works |
| 03:29.05 | stack | :) |
| 03:29.14 | buu | Can anyone suggest a method for downloading a quicktime file embedded in a webpage? |
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| 03:29.44 | interbird | stack: care to share the solution to the prob ? |
| 03:29.52 | wols_ | buu: wget? |
| 03:30.04 | buu | wols_: Sure, but how do I find the URI to wget? |
| 03:30.25 | wols_ | check the page with an editor or browser "view source" |
| 03:30.46 | buu | That typically doesn't work. |
| 03:30.57 | markybob | there are firefox extensions for this sort of thing |
| 03:31.06 | nollidj | ris |
| 03:31.08 | nollidj | argh |
| 03:31.15 | nollidj | buu: you could also try any of several iceweasel plugins that try to grab embedded video content or use a web page debugging tool like firebug to see the individual objects requested over http and their uris |
| 03:31.41 | nollidj | buu: also, tools -> page info -> "media" tab in iceweasel |
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| 03:36.19 | stack | interbird: s2disk needs a initramfs |
| 03:36.32 | stack | so pass --initrd to kernel_image just worked |
| 03:36.36 | stack | :) |
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| 03:43.04 | samantha-- | okay so. now that i have at least two instances of kde running simultaneously with an instance of gnome, all on the same X display ... how do i fix it? :-) |
| 03:45.24 | stack | same display??is it possible?? lol |
| 03:45.39 | samantha-- | apparently it is. |
| 03:47.20 | samantha-- | i know it's the most unheard of thing i've ever heard of. |
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| 03:47.47 | stack | mh no it isn't |
| 03:47.57 | stack | but try to explain better the problem |
| 03:48.04 | stack | how you getted |
| 03:48.23 | stack | i'll search a sigarette, the sun is just rising here |
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| 03:51.14 | samantha-- | only time one should smoke a cigarette is after sex. since i haven't been having sex with anyone except myself recently, i don't smoke. |
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| 03:53.49 | stack | not a good think saying such think on a nerd channel :P |
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| 03:54.48 | lobak | hello |
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| 03:57.10 | lobak | how can i grep with OR condition?i mean grep label1 or label2 ? |
| 03:57.44 | Alfarin | she already ran away though :P |
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| 03:58.09 | tymonn | Hi |
| 03:58.43 | tymonn | does anybody here has a Realtek ALC268 ?? |
| 03:58.56 | Alfarin | lobak> grep "label1|label2" file ? |
| 04:00.34 | tymonn | even when i plug the phones the sound keep coming from the front |
| 04:00.47 | lobak | Alfarin: does this command valid ? ps aux | (grep pppd || grep pon) | grep -v grep ? |
| 04:02.08 | Alfarin | lobak> looks okay to me |
| 04:02.11 | stew | lobak: it would only return matches for pon if there were no matches for pppd |
| 04:02.36 | lobak | thats what i wanted |
| 04:02.38 | stew | so if there were both pppd and pon processes running, it would only return the pppd ones and ignore pon |
| 04:03.12 | stew | lobak: if that is what you want you could also just run "pgrep pppd || pgrep pon" |
| 04:03.33 | lobak | aha...so it would not return both if both exist? |
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| 04:03.48 | stew | lobak: if you want both "pgrep pppd\|pon" |
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| 04:04.14 | lobak | oh ok |
| 04:04.18 | lobak | that would be great |
| 04:04.27 | lobak | thank you |
| 04:04.58 | stew | lobak: or by your method, replace "(grep pppd || grep pon)" with "grep -E 'pppd|pon'" |
| 04:05.03 | Alfarin | ps aux | pgrep pppd\|pon <-- I think this should do the trick, you don't need the inverse grep at the end... |
| 04:05.38 | stew | Alfarin: "ps aux |" is useless in your example |
| 04:06.01 | Alfarin | oh yeah, forgot pgrep greps from process list :P |
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| 04:07.44 | lobak | really helped me with this new command u pointed to be..thank u very much |
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| 04:11.14 | batcoder-7 | does VNC require X ? |
| 04:11.18 | nictimju | exit |
| 04:11.23 | batcoder-7 | all i want is a textconsole via VNC ? |
| 04:11.35 | nictimju | no way batcoder |
| 04:11.45 | Alfarin | batcoder-7> why not just install a ssh daemon then? |
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| 04:11.48 | nictimju | if you want VNC text, why not ssh in |
| 04:12.11 | batcoder-7 | becasue for what i want i think VNC would be better |
| 04:12.15 | benjamindees | anyone on etch actually use one of the official browsers included? |
| 04:12.52 | Alfarin | ... please explain why it'd be better, as I don't see any possible benefit, and am genuinely interested. |
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| 04:13.29 | stew | benjamindees: web browsers? |
| 04:13.53 | benjamindees | stew, yeah; or does everyone just install the latest firefox? |
| 04:13.57 | batcoder-7 | well first question actualy |
| 04:14.10 | batcoder-7 | is grb itself linux ? |
| 04:14.14 | batcoder-7 | what is it ? |
| 04:14.23 | batcoder-7 | is there any kind of ramdisk loaded for it or anything ? |
| 04:14.32 | markybob | benjamindees, it has 2.0.0.14...that's...well, not old to say the least :P |
| 04:14.38 | stew | benjamindees: certainly people run web browsers in etch |
| 04:14.56 | Alfarin | batcoder-7> if you mean grub, the bootloader, then its not something vnc can get you access to |
| 04:15.04 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, grub is a bootloader that loads linux. it is not linux. |
| 04:15.06 | Alfarin | you will need a KVM (hardware) for that |
| 04:15.26 | batcoder-7 | Alfarin: KVm will be my last option |
| 04:15.34 | Alfarin | its expensive, yes. |
| 04:15.35 | stew | grub was initially written for freebsd iirc |
| 04:15.39 | batcoder-7 | VERY epxnwive |
| 04:15.48 | benjamindees | stew, I don't see any respondents :) |
| 04:15.49 | Alfarin | but you cannot access grub or bios with anything via software |
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| 04:16.00 | batcoder-7 | well grub isnt really bios is it ? |
| 04:16.06 | markybob | benjamindees, because it's a dumb question. /msg dpkg ask |
| 04:16.20 | Alfarin | well, put it this way... anything before the login prompt, you cannot get via software |
| 04:16.26 | stew | benjamindees: respondents? |
| 04:16.27 | benjamindees | markybob, it's a survey :p and mine has been pretty flaky lately. |
| 04:16.30 | batcoder-7 | login prompt of what ? |
| 04:16.38 | batcoder-7 | bios ? ;) |
| 04:16.40 | Alfarin | of your debian installation |
| 04:16.45 | stew | benjamindees: i use official browsers in etch |
| 04:16.53 | Alfarin | or any linux installation for that matter |
| 04:16.59 | markybob | me too! me too! |
| 04:17.04 | markybob | benjamindees, satisfied? :P |
| 04:17.36 | batcoder-7 | Alfarin: theres actually a few ways im looking itno atm |
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| 04:17.47 | benjamindees | stew, markybob, do they lock up frequently? |
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| 04:18.09 | mzgrumpy | hey |
| 04:18.28 | mzgrumpy | omg were is everyone |
| 04:18.29 | markybob | benjamindees, when using flash, yes. iceweasel is a bitch and flash is a whore. the combination is not great |
| 04:18.44 | stew | benjamindees: never |
| 04:18.51 | mzgrumpy | wat are u guys talking about |
| 04:19.10 | Alfarin | I use lynx... |
| 04:19.13 | benjamindees | stew, are you using lynx or something? |
| 04:19.18 | Alfarin | does that count as a official browser? |
| 04:19.20 | benjamindees | beaten |
| 04:19.23 | stew | benjamindees: on etch? w3m |
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| 04:20.30 | stew | but its been a long time since i've seen any version of iceweasel lock up either |
| 04:21.01 | markybob | especially if you use nspluginwrapper. it's a lock-up machine |
| 04:21.06 | batcoder-7 | is it possible to boot a HD partition from a floppy disk ? |
| 04:21.10 | |Ryan52 | How do I make reportbug output plaintext enstead of emailing? I dont want to put my smtp username/password on the servers I sysadmin on. and I would like to gpg sign all my emails (and I would never put my gpg key on the servers I sysadmin on.) |
| 04:22.12 | benjamindees | markbob, I find konqueror to be almost completely unusable without blocking javascript; firefox (with gnash) crashes often and has started locking up too. |
| 04:22.17 | stew | |Ryan52: man reportbug |
| 04:22.34 | Alfarin | batcoder-7> in theory, if you can load a bootloader there, yes, you can, it'd be just like one of them bootdisks you can make with Windows... in practice, I don't know what you'll need to do it... |
| 04:22.48 | |Ryan52 | stew: already open...can I have a hint? :D |
| 04:23.07 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, of course it is :) |
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| 04:23.52 | Alfarin | but, the question is also, where you gonna find a floopy drive these days? :X |
| 04:24.50 | benjamindees | !info grub-disk |
| 04:24.52 | dpkg | grub-disk: (GRUB bootable disk image (dummy package)), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.97-40 (sid), Packaged size: 111 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 04:24.52 | stew | batcoder-7: grub-mkrescue from the grub-pc package will make you a grub boot floppy |
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| 04:25.59 | stew | |Ryan52: man reportbug | grep -i file |
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| 04:26.43 | |Ryan52 | stew: oh. ty. |
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| 04:27.50 | benjamindees | so earlier, sensors said my cpu temp was 133 degrees, but the heatsink was cool to the touch and after rebooting i t said 100 deg. |
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| 04:29.16 | benjamindees | really I didn't notice this many problems before using the etchnahalf proposed updates. |
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| 04:29.50 | benjamindees | but that could be psychosomatic. |
| 04:30.30 | stew | psycomachinatic |
| 04:31.09 | Grandpa_Cliff | Everyone, including men, should wear a bra everyday. It feels great. I am a man and I wear a bra everyday as well. Do yourself a favor and wear a bra everyday. Sign up for this message board for men who like to wear bras: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/hellotaxi |
| 04:31.13 | Grandpa_Cliff | Everyone, including men, should wear a bra everyday. It feels great. I am a man and I wear a bra everyday as well. Do yourself a favor and wear a bra everyday. Sign up for this message board for men who like to wear bras: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/hellotaxi |
| 04:31.17 | Grandpa_Cliff | Everyone, including men, should wear a bra everyday. It feels great. I am a man and I wear a bra everyday as well. Do yourself a favor and wear a bra everyday. Sign up for this message board for men who like to wear bras: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/hellotaxi |
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| 04:32.48 | nalioth | stew: your ban is obsolete |
| 04:33.04 | markybob | uh |
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| 04:34.25 | batcoder-7 | thisi s my theroy maybe a Minimal linux from floppy then boot from HD ? |
| 04:34.28 | batcoder-7 | any way to do this ? |
| 04:34.50 | stew | 00:24 < stew> batcoder-7: grub-mkrescue from the grub-pc package will make you a grub boot floppy |
| 04:34.52 | markybob | batcoder-7, you've already been told yes. |
| 04:35.00 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, what are you wanting to do? |
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| 04:35.19 | faceDOWNs | how can i kill a program? i have hellanzb running |
| 04:35.27 | faceDOWNs | dont know anything else |
| 04:35.41 | markybob | man kill |
| 04:36.07 | frank_white_ | killall *hellanzb* |
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| 04:36.47 | faceDOWNs | godamn |
| 04:36.49 | batcoder-7 | this is what i want to do |
| 04:36.52 | faceDOWNs | no process killed, hm |
| 04:37.06 | faceDOWNs | if i type the comand, it says its running, thinks im calling it but im not |
| 04:37.15 | faceDOWNs | that is, 'hellanzb' for the latter |
| 04:37.26 | faceDOWNs | and 'killall *hellanzb*' gives me no process killed |
| 04:37.30 | |Ryan52 | faceDOWNs: then it aint running. `ps aux`. Do you see it? if so, 'kill PID' (where pid is from ps) |
| 04:37.35 | batcoder-7 | BIOS boots floppy, Floppy boots minal linux thing starts a vnc server and then user can boot into the HD with selection of course |
| 04:37.47 | batcoder-7 | trying ot see how to acoice this |
| 04:38.00 | frank_white_ | that is really tough batcoder-7 |
| 04:38.13 | batcoder-7 | i know |
| 04:38.14 | faceDOWNs | |Ryan52: - its running. i'm sure |
| 04:38.15 | frank_white_ | theres no way VNC the program and an X server are going to fit on a disk |
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| 04:38.17 | batcoder-7 | but i need it |
| 04:38.23 | faceDOWNs | because it bitches if i type itself |
| 04:38.29 | |Ryan52 | faceDOWNs: do 'ps aux'. find its PID. run kill PID. |
| 04:39.50 | markybob | faceDOWNs, kill -KILL `pgrep foo` might do it. anyway, man kill |
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| 04:41.00 | faceDOWNs | weird |
| 04:41.26 | faceDOWNs | ah |
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| 04:44.28 | benjamindees | some dimwit in my neighborhood likes to set off explosives at night. |
| 04:44.44 | markybob | benjamindees, shoot him |
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| 04:45.59 | batcoder-7 | i need a floppy that will boot a Minimal linux then start a vnc server or something similiar and waitfor user input slect what partition to boot, then boot the partition |
| 04:46.05 | batcoder-7 | any ideas on how to do about this ? |
| 04:46.47 | benjamindees | you want a remote user to be able to run vnc on any given machine via a floppy? |
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| 04:47.29 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, why vnc? why not, like, ssh? |
| 04:47.38 | batcoder-7 | that iwl work too |
| 04:47.49 | batcoder-7 | i was thinng like this |
| 04:48.34 | benjamindees | but really unless your hardware is really standardized you won't get much to fit on a floppy. |
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| 04:48.39 | liassist | hello, my ssh scripts have gone mad i guess but the only problem is that when ever i start ssh somethin goes mad with my router! |
| 04:48.45 | batcoder-7 | ok server starts runs floppy, floppy runs minmal linux starts a vnc (user connects ot it) user selects what partition he wants to boot on the real HD that has not been touched yet and yea thats it |
| 04:49.21 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: you would be suprised at thesize of ome stuff and what upx can do ;) |
| 04:49.25 | PhrkOnLsh | liassist: something can mean a lot of different things. |
| 04:49.30 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, you don't seem to realize how impossible that is. |
| 04:50.02 | PhrkOnLsh | How can I send function keys using xvkbd's -text option? The man page has info on alt, etc, but doesn't say anything about function keys. |
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| 04:50.20 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, a full set of linux scsi drivers alone will take up an entire floppy. |
| 04:50.32 | markybob | or that there are things like virtualization which make that utterly retarded |
| 04:50.46 | batcoder-7 | im oepn to any ideas |
| 04:50.48 | slxx | not if he compiles a custom kernel. :) |
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| 04:51.23 | batcoder-7 | i have about 25 servers and i want to give them the ability to boot into any part if their srver at boot |
| 04:51.26 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, are we talking "stick floppy into any random computer" or just some specific hardware? |
| 04:51.41 | batcoder-7 | it will be specific hardware sure |
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| 04:52.14 | benjamindees | all with the same disk controllers and video chipsets, for instance? |
| 04:52.18 | markybob | batcoder-7, learn to use virtualization |
| 04:52.19 | batcoder-7 | i want the floppy to be able to boot the hard drive OR a network PXE, and for them to be able ot make this choice either thjrough a mini SSH or something |
| 04:54.46 | Alfarin | batcoder-7> no matter how I look at it, I think you need KVM instead of the hacking ways you're suggesting... |
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| 04:54.57 | Alfarin | either that, or virtualization, as someone has recommended... |
| 04:55.24 | batcoder-7 | well i knwo its tricky but as i said kvm is last option |
| 04:55.42 | batcoder-7 | floppy can boot a minmal linux and can boot a mini ssh server |
| 04:55.53 | PhrkOnLsh | Got it: xvkbd -text "\[F1]", or so |
| 04:56.03 | batcoder-7 | then users coul choose what partition to boot |
| 04:56.23 | batcoder-7 | and do tjhat on every boot and if they dint connect in 2 mins then it would boot the hard drive |
| 04:56.50 | Alfarin | and why constraint yourself to floppy? |
| 04:57.01 | batcoder-7 | whats the other option ? |
| 04:57.01 | Alfarin | if you want a small linux installation that can boot, put it on a CD |
| 04:57.10 | batcoder-7 | all the servers hav a floppy |
| 04:57.13 | batcoder-7 | a cd no |
| 04:57.24 | batcoder-7 | a floppy is less intrusive then a cd |
| 04:57.33 | benjamindees | you could use a floppy and a usb drive, for instance. |
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| 04:58.12 | batcoder-7 | and doesnt use any power unless when being read or written from |
| 04:58.12 | batcoder-7 | usb drive yes |
| 04:58.12 | batcoder-7 | i jus think i mgiht be able to get awat with all floppy maybe |
| 04:58.20 | benjamindees | or multiple floppies? |
| 04:58.23 | batcoder-7 | my main question is it possible to have a floppy boot a hard drive partion ? |
| 04:58.32 | batcoder-7 | WHEN the rfloppy has already booted a minimal linux |
| 04:58.50 | benjamindees | sure; look at kexec. |
| 04:58.58 | markybob | yahoo. when they're thick, they're thick. |
| 04:58.59 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: if the people had access to the server that would negate all reasons of doing this |
| 04:59.27 | benjamindees | er, that's not exactly the same as booting a partition directly; it's linux only. |
| 04:59.46 | batcoder-7 | so from a floppy i can boot a partition from the HD and nothing from the floppy will still be on there ? |
| 04:59.58 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 05:00.02 | slxx | you could update grub on the bootdisk and reboot? :) |
| 05:00.08 | batcoder-7 | any way to boot a partition any os ? |
| 05:00.23 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, if you can insert one floppy, you can insert a few floppies. |
| 05:00.25 | batcoder-7 | bootdisk you mean the hard drive ? |
| 05:00.32 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: these are servers |
| 05:00.59 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, I understand that. |
| 05:01.09 | JyZyXEL | debian packet cacher? |
| 05:01.19 | batcoder-7 | http://modest-proposals.com/xwoaf.jpg |
| 05:01.25 | batcoder-7 | look hat you cna do with a floppy ;) |
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| 05:01.45 | JyZyXEL | is there a such thing? |
| 05:01.55 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: watcha trying to do? |
| 05:02.05 | JyZyXEL | just wondering if there is such a thing |
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| 05:02.13 | JyZyXEL | would save everyones bandwidth |
| 05:02.34 | markybob | JyZyXEL, depends what you're talking about. 'packet catcher' isnt very descriptive |
| 05:02.42 | JyZyXEL | package cache |
| 05:02.45 | benjamindees | cache 'r |
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| 05:02.47 | slxx | tosses markybob a packet. |
| 05:02.47 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: HTTP proxy? |
| 05:02.49 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: i just want users the freesom to do what they want , the loppy will be non writeable and is pretty non intrusive ,, users could log into their temproiarty shell boot a recovery mode PXE or boot right into their hard drive maybe load their MBR ? |
| 05:02.54 | markybob | JyZyXEL, ah. yes. apt-proxy or apt-cache |
| 05:03.02 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: or you could use something like aprox |
| 05:03.38 | JyZyXEL | how do they differ :o |
| 05:03.41 | |Ryan52 | well...I guess not. |
| 05:04.29 | markybob | JyZyXEL, how do pico and nano differ? |
| 05:04.36 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 05:06.07 | JyZyXEL | i just watched a hour long video of Jonathan Oxer telling about the anatomy of debian packages |
| 05:06.14 | JyZyXEL | i feel so smart now |
| 05:06.17 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: my only main concern is booting the MBR of the hard drive form the floppy ? |
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| 05:06.38 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, it would probably be easier to make the floppy load something via pxe by default. then let that boot from the hd if necessary. |
| 05:07.04 | jdahm | the debian installer is calling my sata drive IDE1 master (hda) should I be worried? |
| 05:07.05 | batcoder-7 | sure or that |
| 05:07.42 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: can I have the URL? (I got some more time to procrastinate :D) |
| 05:07.49 | markybob | jdahm, you should be worried. hell, all of mankind should be worried. |
| 05:08.00 | markybob | i'm petrified. |
| 05:08.13 | wols_ | jdahm: what sata controller? |
| 05:08.20 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, as slxx said you can modify the grub bootloader and reboot. |
| 05:08.26 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: so the floppy loads a call it the system boot strap pxe then users could pick fom their real MBR recovery PXE (not the minimal one that is loaded to do that) and also a ssh or vnc server so theywoulc be doing all of this |
| 05:08.31 | jdahm | markybob: haha, it's just plugged in as a sata drive to the motherboard |
| 05:08.40 | slxx | benjamindees: hey, don't blame me. :) |
| 05:08.44 | wols_ | jdahm: what sata controller? |
| 05:08.59 | wols_ | jdahm: and what kernel version? |
| 05:09.02 | batcoder-7 | cant do that this has ot be kept seperate for mthe hd at all cost except for bopoting it etc |
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| 05:09.20 | jdahm | wols_: I think the motherboard is a foxconn |
| 05:09.27 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: ah. found it. |
| 05:09.33 | jdahm | wols_: it's the etch amd64 netinstall... |
| 05:10.31 | wols_ | jdahm: congrats. you just managed to not answer BOTH of my questions |
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| 05:11.01 | benjamindees | it would be interesting if kexec could boot windows. |
| 05:11.24 | markybob | benjamindees, you've just made me puke a little |
| 05:11.35 | benjamindees | heh |
| 05:11.51 | jdahm | wols_: what, 1. I don't know the sata controller on the foxconn motherboard, 2. the kernel that comes on the etch cd, probably 2.6.25ish |
| 05:12.06 | markybob | etch uses 2.6.18 |
| 05:12.07 | wols_ | jdahm: there is not a single etch installer with a 2.6.25 kernel anywhere |
| 05:12.30 | jdahm | markybob: ah, thats right |
| 05:12.40 | wols_ | there are etch installers with other kernels too |
| 05:13.17 | wols_ | which means you STILL haven't answered either questions in any meaningful way |
| 05:13.29 | wols_ | oh well. presunday |
| 05:13.41 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: so do you knwo if its possible to boot the MBR after i have loaded the floppy or possibly the pxething as well |
| 05:13.41 | markybob | wols_, close enough :) |
| 05:14.07 | wols_ | batcoder-7: of course it's possible. the questions is: why would one want to? |
| 05:14.09 | markybob | batcoder-7, for crying out load, you were told an hour ago how to boot the mbr with a floppy |
| 05:14.12 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, it's not possible to boot windows currently, no. |
| 05:14.31 | batcoder-7 | markybob: NO no no no no please read my question |
| 05:14.35 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, unless you reboot as was said earlier. |
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| 05:15.07 | batcoder-7 | markybob: you keep seeing boot and floppy in the same uestion and think i just want a booyt floppy |
| 05:15.28 | markybob | batcoder-7> benjamindees: so the floppy loads a call it |
| 05:15.29 | markybob | yes |
| 05:15.39 | batcoder-7 | call it ? |
| 05:16.05 | markybob | my god. mankind really is done for |
| 05:16.31 | wols_ | batcoder-7: I just checked the logs. you haven't even tols us what you REALLY want to do |
| 05:16.44 | jdahm | markybob: wols_ I'm looking in the BIOS at OnChip SATA Type and there are the options: Native IDE (selected), RAID, AHCI, and legacy IDE, should i keep the selected one? |
| 05:17.06 | wols_ | jdahm: how is this debian related? |
| 05:17.07 | batcoder-7 | i want a floppy that will load a pxe image a minimal one in the ram, then theyare presented with options boot a recovery PXE or boot your MBR then the mbr will take care of what partition is booted |
| 05:17.13 | wols_ | sounds like #hardware to me |
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| 05:17.22 | benjamindees | obviously he runs some sort of webhosting business and wants to let people pop a floppy into their server so they can manage it without screwing anything up. |
| 05:17.32 | wols_ | batcoder-7: that is bass-ackwards |
| 05:17.46 | markybob | jdahm, ahci is sata. so if you want to act like an sata, that's what you pick. or if you want ide, that's what you pick |
| 05:17.48 | wols_ | why the PXE? |
| 05:17.55 | batcoder-7 | what are the other options ? |
| 05:18.04 | markybob | VIRTUALIZATION |
| 05:18.09 | markybob | or slicing |
| 05:18.19 | wols_ | a grub bootfloppy that boots either from hdd MBR (chainloader) or via PXE. done |
| 05:18.20 | batcoder-7 | benjamindees: webhostiing ? you can do much more with a server then that ? |
| 05:18.27 | benjamindees | obviously he's selling dedicated servers. |
| 05:18.29 | batcoder-7 | markybob: these are DEDICATEDS |
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| 05:18.48 | wols_ | benjamindees: then I pray I never have to use his services with the lack of any knowledge he shows |
| 05:18.56 | batcoder-7 | wol`that would be great but sadly enough the user cant see that |
| 05:19.05 | benjamindees | wols_, I'm wondering if he's my current provider, actually. |
| 05:19.21 | batcoder-7 | i actually have quite a bit of knowledge wtf? |
| 05:19.27 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you let your users into your server room so they can insert floppies? |
| 05:19.31 | batcoder-7 | if i had 50 k i would buy a set of KVM's and call it a day |
| 05:19.31 | markybob | batcoder-7, dude, you asked if grub *is* linux |
| 05:19.31 | jdahm | markybob: thanks! I'll choose that then, but will there be any speed difference between the two options you think? |
| 05:19.44 | batcoder-7 | wols_: I WILL isnert the floppie a standard one |
| 05:19.57 | wols_ | batcoder-7: that is BS. why would you want to? |
| 05:20.00 | batcoder-7 | markybob: i did not know ANYthing about grub i used LILO |
| 05:20.05 | markybob | jdahm, on a desktop? noticeable? probably not |
| 05:20.08 | batcoder-7 | i didnt know if grub loaded some ramdisk or w/e |
| 05:20.19 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you don't know anything about IT. there corrected it for you |
| 05:20.36 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you're not here for the first time and you earlier stuff wasn't any more clueful |
| 05:20.52 | batcoder-7 | what did i say ? |
| 05:21.24 | batcoder-7 | ive been using linux since like 96 |
| 05:21.25 | slxx | i assumed everyone used grub. wouldn't surprise me if vista used it. :) |
| 05:21.25 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, grub does load a stage2 from the hard disk. you can think of it as kind of like a ramdisk. |
| 05:21.42 | wols_ | benjamindees: please don't say such things |
| 05:21.51 | batcoder-7 | lilo ftw |
| 05:22.03 | slxx | !wtf ftw |
| 05:22.04 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ftw means... |
| 05:22.53 | batcoder-7 | the only one in here who understands what i want is benjamindees, the rest of you see floppy and boot in the same setence and ust think i want a boot floppy disk |
| 05:23.07 | VK5FOSS | apt-listbugs uses ruby :/ didnt know that before |
| 05:23.17 | batcoder-7 | its very late and i am tired but i thought if i would check out if anyone had any ideas |
| 05:23.22 | benjamindees | to be fair, I'm not completely sure of what you want either. |
| 05:23.26 | wols_ | batcoder-7: when you boot from a floppy it IS a boot disk, duh! |
| 05:23.34 | batcoder-7 | not to be ranted about my expertise in it infrastructure |
| 05:23.47 | wols_ | benjamindees: he doesn't know what he wants. and more importantly he has no clue how to do it. not the foggiest |
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| 05:23.53 | slxx | batcoder-7: next time bring your resume. ;) |
| 05:23.58 | batcoder-7 | i know Exactly what i want |
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| 05:24.27 | wols_ | batcoder-7: then do it. hint: you can do it with your almighty lilo too which you know so well |
| 05:24.41 | JyZyXEL | |Ryan52 having fun with the video? |
| 05:25.28 | batcoder-7 | i want a Floppy that will first boot a minimal PXE ok this will load a few things possibly like vnc, useers then connect ot it and then the user can choose to boot from the MBR or boot from PXE a better and bigger recovery PXE , etc |
| 05:25.31 | |Ryan52 | JyZyXEL: I quit. It got boring (I already knew the stuff). |
| 05:25.42 | JyZyXEL | :p |
| 05:26.31 | batcoder-7 | wols_: thats exactly wha i want |
| 05:26.42 | wols_ | batcoder-7: and what do you expect from us? to write this for you? |
| 05:26.49 | batcoder-7 | as i said if i had 25 k i would buy a KVM system for each server and yea |
| 05:27.14 | wols_ | you really want us to write this for you? |
| 05:27.19 | batcoder-7 | to just tell me if its possible to load the MBR from a foppy or a PXE |
| 05:27.26 | benjamindees | would do it for $2k |
| 05:27.29 | markybob | unbelievable |
| 05:27.32 | batcoder-7 | not 2k |
| 05:27.37 | wols_ | batcoder-7: I LONG AGO told you: yes |
| 05:27.40 | batcoder-7 | 2k for a 16 port |
| 05:27.52 | wols_ | I even told you you can use your almighty lilo and your great expertise for it |
| 05:28.00 | batcoder-7 | WHERE IS THE LILO coming from |
| 05:28.02 | batcoder-7 | Floppy or HD ? |
| 05:28.14 | markybob | stew, please bring some sanity into this channel and ban him |
| 05:28.16 | wols_ | and last but not least: wtf has a KVM to do with from what people boot a rescue system? |
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| 05:28.24 | wols_ | batcoder-7: BOTH |
| 05:28.38 | wols_ | batcoder-7: and see. THESE questions are why I say you have not a single clue |
| 05:28.39 | batcoder-7 | it cant come from the HD *cries* thats the whole point cant touch HD |
| 05:28.44 | benjamindees | you can put lilo on a floppy... |
| 05:28.49 | batcoder-7 | yes |
| 05:28.55 | batcoder-7 | but then how are the users going to see it ??????? |
| 05:29.00 | wols_ | if you boot the hdd MBR then there is a bootloader there or it won't boot. end of story |
| 05:29.16 | batcoder-7 | this is the point if the users have messed it up |
| 05:29.41 | slxx | oh, i see where virtualization comes in to this. |
| 05:29.51 | wols_ | if the users have messed it up, the solution is NOT to ring their admin to put a freaking floppy into the server for gawd's sake |
| 05:29.54 | batcoder-7 | cant do that these are dedicateds |
| 05:29.54 | markybob | slxx, ...i tried :P |
| 05:30.08 | batcoder-7 | wols_: the floppy is always there |
| 05:30.11 | slxx | markybob: it got through to somebody ;) |
| 05:30.19 | wols_ | batcoder-7: your whole floppy scheme is utter and total unecessary bullshit |
| 05:30.33 | batcoder-7 | ok fair enough but im trying to see what works |
| 05:30.36 | wols_ | since it's simply not needed in any scenario |
| 05:30.40 | benjamindees | got it too but thought it was overly complicated :p |
| 05:31.04 | batcoder-7 | it would be p impossibe to use virtulization |
| 05:31.16 | wols_ | batcoder-7: your systems should always. every time. boot a small PXE. ALWAYS |
| 05:31.26 | batcoder-7 | at the beginning ? |
| 05:31.46 | wols_ | yes. ALWAYS |
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| 05:31.58 | batcoder-7 | ok i might still have to use floppy for the pxe rom thing but yea |
| 05:32.10 | benjamindees | that sounds like a security nightmare. |
| 05:32.16 | batcoder-7 | which ? |
| 05:32.19 | slxx | benjamindees: consider the options, though. :) |
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| 05:32.44 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you have "servers" without PXE bootroms? servers? |
| 05:32.52 | batcoder-7 | yes |
| 05:33.04 | benjamindees | slxx, a floppy is at least just a temporary security nightmare :) |
| 05:33.08 | wols_ | shoddy expertise and really shoddy hardware. better and better |
| 05:33.25 | batcoder-7 | sighs |
| 05:33.27 | wols_ | benjamindees: not really. as long as he doesn't forget to lock his server room |
| 05:33.27 | batcoder-7 | listen |
| 05:34.05 | batcoder-7 | ok so a small pxe boots up when the server is turned on , then users need ot connect to it to choose what they want to boot |
| 05:34.10 | slxx | benjamindees: well.. as we all know, floppy disks and virtualization were designed for security. ;) |
| 05:34.12 | batcoder-7 | can this be done more easily this way ? |
| 05:34.14 | wols_ | batcoder-7: no |
| 05:34.26 | markybob | batcoder-7, dude, there are 800 people in this channel, none of which are backing you up. that's not a clue ?? |
| 05:34.29 | wols_ | a user does NOT "choose" what they want to boot |
| 05:34.30 | batcoder-7 | then why would you have a small PXE boot up anyways ? |
| 05:34.49 | batcoder-7 | markybob: you just dont understand |
| 05:34.58 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you don't understand |
| 05:35.00 | markybob | gives up |
| 05:35.39 | batcoder-7 | wols_: i want my users to connect via ssh or vnc and choose a boot option before it ever touches the HD |
| 05:35.43 | VK5FOSS | i'm seconding the request for +b |
| 05:35.49 | wols_ | the boot PXE checks a flag on a remote server which tells it "boot from local hdd" or "start rescue system" |
| 05:35.57 | wols_ | batcoder-7: no you don't |
| 05:36.10 | batcoder-7 | what flag ? |
| 05:36.19 | wols_ | the flag the user can set via web interface |
| 05:36.29 | batcoder-7 | first i have heard of this |
| 05:36.36 | wols_ | and that is the last thing of non debian questions I answer you |
| 05:36.38 | batcoder-7 | what products offer this ? |
| 05:36.39 | VK5FOSS | with pxe once booted off a network you can chose to boot the local hdd (fwiw) |
| 05:36.47 | wols_ | batcoder-7: cause you are fucking lazy who wants us to do your work |
| 05:36.49 | jdahm | markybob: I'm a little worried, it's still calling it hda, and when I partition it it asks me what partition table type I want, which should I select <msdos>? |
| 05:37.08 | batcoder-7 | wols_: i did not see anything about a web interface today i was going throguh pxe quite a bit |
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| 05:37.48 | wols_ | batcoder-7: the web interface YOU will write for your customers. where they see how much traffic they used, where they can buy domains if they want, wher they see their bills. THAT web interface? |
| 05:37.55 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, I think that's provided by the "competent admin" product. |
| 05:38.11 | batcoder-7 | VK5FOSS: how can it boot the hdd once linux is already loaded from the pxe ? |
| 05:38.13 | wols_ | batcoder-7: the user has NO direct involvement or anything in the boot process. all it knows is it loads his kernel, done |
| 05:38.15 | batcoder-7 | ok all i was asking |
| 05:38.23 | batcoder-7 | i didnt know if sme pxe solution already had it |
| 05:38.29 | wols_ | batcoder-7: all you was asking were NON DEBIAN questions |
| 05:38.37 | VK5FOSS | batcoder-7, i didnt say anything about linux |
| 05:38.40 | wols_ | batcoder-7: so stop them and ask #networking or such |
| 05:39.11 | batcoder-7 | VK5FOSS: well what kind of PXE is this ? |
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| 05:39.36 | wols_ | VK5FOSS: please don't answer him. he's OT |
| 05:39.42 | batcoder-7 | ok don't |
| 05:39.48 | batcoder-7 | dont care im doen for the night |
| 05:39.50 | VK5FOSS | wols_, nod. |
| 05:39.50 | benjamindees | batcoder-7, one you can change remotely. |
| 05:40.18 | batcoder-7 | for the record i own around 25 servers and they are for clients locally and i get paid gracefully for it |
| 05:40.40 | batcoder-7 | but i am just not goiing to shell out too much money for kvm over ip |
| 05:40.55 | markybob | i'm sorry |
| 05:40.57 | wols_ | batcoder-7: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:40.57 | markybob | ...for them |
| 05:41.01 | wols_ | markybob: we all are |
| 05:41.17 | batcoder-7 | its funny how you dont want wols_ but then you initiate it for your own good |
| 05:41.29 | batcoder-7 | markybob: until you do better and got something to show refrain |
| 05:41.42 | batcoder-7 | i never used grub from a floppy nope |
| 05:41.48 | wols_ | batcoder-7: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:41.50 | batcoder-7 | ok sorry for not knwoing all the ins o and outs for it |
| 05:41.52 | markybob | batcoder-7, i have done better. i own dipconsultants.com |
| 05:42.05 | batcoder-7 | I *hope* it does much better |
| 05:43.34 | batcoder-7 | and your statement about hardware thry are all pretty new 2.8 xeons, but i got one 800 mhz xeoni use for misc things |
| 05:43.39 | batcoder-7 | wols_: ^ |
| 05:43.52 | wols_ | batcoder-7: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:44.00 | batcoder-7 | No i am done going to bed |
| 05:44.31 | VK5FOSS | wonders how many times batcoder-7 's going to say that without it |
| 05:44.38 | batcoder-7 | but dont make sarcastic and slanted remarks then just be like , debian related question, ever since your first remark in here you have been very non resepectable |
| 05:44.42 | valdyn | jdahm: what is the alternative? |
| 05:45.10 | markybob | batcoder-7, the word is "unrespectable" |
| 05:45.10 | valdyn | jdahm: dos partition tables is what by far most debian or linux systems use |
| 05:45.21 | wols_ | markybob: disrespectable... |
| 05:45.26 | jdahm | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 05:45.30 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 05:45.40 | valdyn | jdahm: and you want to use ahci |
| 05:45.46 | markybob | wols_, they're both words according to google. not sure which he meant |
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| 05:46.21 | batcoder-7 | half the problem was people just jumping in and acting like they knew what i wanted |
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| 05:46.26 | VK5FOSS | batcoder-7, i dont mind helping people , but i dont like wasting my time. i think trying to help you would fit the latter category. *goes to do $stuff* |
| 05:46.27 | wols_ | valdyn: since when do debian installers állow to choose partition tables? |
| 05:46.45 | wols_ | types of them that is |
| 05:46.52 | valdyn | wols_: i havent seen that question in any installer |
| 05:47.26 | VK5FOSS | didnt the sarge expert install let you? |
| 05:47.26 | wols_ | valdyn: there is a (theoretical) choice between GPT and msods I guess, but debian doesn't support GPT (deadrat does for example) |
| 05:47.27 | batcoder-7 | VK5FOSS: it was a valid problem and a solution i wanted. But the whole time i pretty much anwered my own questions |
| 05:47.48 | valdyn | wols_: ah so he might be using that |
| 05:48.00 | wols_ | he says etch installer... |
| 05:48.02 | batcoder-7 | maybe i will just invest in some KVM solutions |
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| 05:48.29 | valdyn | wols_: whatever, i try to answer in a way that matches debian |
| 05:48.40 | faceDOWNs | does anyone use rhythmbox |
| 05:48.49 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 05:48.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:48.50 | wols_ | !tell faceDOWNs about anyone |
| 05:48.53 | faceDOWNs | how can i copy music files over to my ipod? |
| 05:48.59 | faceDOWNs | lol |
| 05:49.24 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: pretty much like in itunes i think |
| 05:49.33 | markybob | faceDOWNs, gtkpod? gnupod? |
| 05:50.12 | batcoder-7 | anyways thanks to those who helped |
| 05:50.12 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: but at the very leaste you need to activate the ipod plugin in rhythmbox |
| 05:50.46 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: and reading its description it does not list copying as a supported operation, so you might be out of luck using rhythmbox for that - i dont know |
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| 05:51.10 | faceDOWNs | valdyn: oh |
| 05:51.14 | faceDOWNs | markybob ? |
| 05:51.24 | faceDOWNs | markybob: gtkpod? ngupod? are those plugins for rhythmbox? |
| 05:51.28 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: thats applications |
| 05:51.29 | faceDOWNs | i tried draging my files over, nothing |
| 05:51.32 | faceDOWNs | oh. |
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| 05:52.02 | Doctor_Nick | is there an ajax version of lxr or something like that |
| 05:52.05 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: rhythmbox is probably the itunes style with the least numbetr of features |
| 05:52.15 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: see banshee or quodlibet |
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| 05:52.30 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: s/itunes style/itunes style application/ |
| 05:54.30 | valdyn | faceDOWNs: banshee explicitely lists ipod sync support |
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| 06:01.09 | oviri | hi |
| 06:03.24 | slxx | hello |
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| 06:06.49 | dragon | !lart dpkg |
| 06:06.49 | dpkg | turns dragon into a lifesized tux doll |
| 06:06.57 | oviri | i've remove my /usr/local :s |
| 06:06.57 | dragon | !lart debhelper |
| 06:06.57 | dpkg | gives debhelper a good seeing to |
| 06:07.06 | dragon | nice oviri |
| 06:07.49 | oviri | arf not realy |
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| 06:08.13 | dragon | !lart oviri dumb |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | rm -rf's oviri dumb |
| 06:08.17 | dragon | !lart oviri |
| 06:08.17 | dpkg | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays oviri in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
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| 06:11.19 | oviri | i suppose that i can't undelete the dir? |
| 06:12.14 | dragon | nope you cannot oviri |
| 06:13.30 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:13.47 | oviri | can i take the /usr/local of an other etch newl yinstalled? |
| 06:13.48 | dimir | oviri: what filesystem? |
| 06:14.02 | valdyn | oviri: theres nothing in it on a default etch |
| 06:14.10 | icenine | what, you can still recover some of it. |
| 06:14.17 | oviri | dimir: reiserfs |
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| 06:14.27 | dimir | reiser was undeletable, AFAIK. |
| 06:14.37 | valdyn | oviri: you dont need /usr/local |
| 06:14.39 | icenine | kind of futile if the dir is /usr/local though. |
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| 06:15.07 | Fare | I have problems with knetworkmanager |
| 06:15.13 | Fare | it fails to autostart |
| 06:15.24 | Fare | but runs ok when I start it manually |
| 06:15.39 | dimir | oviri: http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/ReiserFS_File_Undelete_HOWTO |
| 06:15.53 | Fare | it also fails to remember the setting of my wep key: it's a 40hex key, not a passphrase! |
| 06:16.07 | oviri | dimir: thanx :-)) |
| 06:16.16 | icenine | Fare: why do you need knetworkmanager? |
| 06:16.52 | icenine | Fare: I configure my WEP wifi connection with iwconfig, ifconfig, route, et al |
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| 06:16.53 | Fare | icenine: is there a better way to manager connections on a laptop? |
| 06:17.00 | icenine | yes, definitely. |
| 06:17.09 | dimir | Or an wpa_supplicant. |
| 06:17.12 | icenine | use wireless-tools. |
| 06:17.12 | Fare | icenine, how do you do it when you're on the go? |
| 06:17.27 | icenine | Fare: you mean, if you need to connect to another wifi network? |
| 06:17.38 | icenine | Fare: I'd just bust out an iwconfig on the command line. |
| 06:17.49 | icenine | Fare: do you need roaming? |
| 06:17.53 | dimir | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 06:17.57 | dimir | :-) |
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| 06:18.04 | Fare | I used to do that. It's not very user-friendly, and I don't want to teach that to my gf |
| 06:18.12 | dimir | hha |
| 06:18.14 | icenine | Fare: most likely, if the title of the software includes "network manager", it's a piece of trash. |
| 06:18.16 | dimir | that's for sure. |
| 06:18.25 | dimir | For gf you need knetworkmanager. |
| 06:18.31 | icenine | or a script.. |
| 06:18.34 | Fare | icenine: can you improve on it? |
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| 06:18.51 | Fare | for the record on another machine, knetworkmanager seems to work just fine |
| 06:18.56 | icenine | Fare: I'd rather use a script. I'd probably not resort to something like knetworkmanager.. but I do see the problem. |
| 06:19.08 | slxx | annotates the record. |
| 06:19.08 | Fare | on this machine it wouldn't work at all until I added myself to group netdev |
| 06:19.09 | dimir | aptitude install gf; failed dependencies, gf depends on knetworkmanager, do you want to continue [Y/n] ? |
| 06:19.21 | Fare | I'd rather not reinstall from scratch |
| 06:19.35 | valdyn | Fare: why dont you tell us the error messages? |
| 06:19.45 | icenine | apt-get update gf |
| 06:19.50 | valdyn | Fare: do you even know if it tries to autostart? |
| 06:19.51 | Fare | valdyn: because there are none that I could find |
| 06:19.53 | icenine | newer version knows how to use iwconfig |
| 06:19.54 | icenine | lol |
| 06:20.00 | valdyn | Fare: see ~/.xsession |
| 06:20.16 | slxx | dimir: which debian do you have? lenny Couldn't find package "gf" |
| 06:20.17 | valdyn | Fare: see ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 06:20.25 | icenine | of course, that's not proper syntax. |
| 06:20.47 | icenine | Fare: so what are your requirements? |
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| 06:20.48 | dimir | slxx: I have my own private repository! |
| 06:21.01 | Fare | valdyn, I don't see anything related to knetworkmanager there |
| 06:21.11 | icenine | Fare: what is the minimum of what your network connection has to be automated to do? |
| 06:21.14 | dimir | Linux for sailors? |
| 06:21.20 | Fare | icenine: she has to be able to point and click and not retype the password everytime |
| 06:21.21 | valdyn | Fare: how do you know that knetworkmanager fails and is not just not started? |
| 06:21.24 | dimir | Does it have a huge collection of pr0n? |
| 06:21.30 | slxx | dimir: private repository? that sounds a bit .. odd. :) |
| 06:21.39 | Fare | if possible I don't have to reinstall from scratch without knowing whether it will be working |
| 06:21.47 | icenine | Fare: so just connect to the same wifi network every time? or does it have to remember a couple different keys? |
| 06:22.23 | dimir | Fare: sure you didn't forget to clickety click the checkboxes there somewhere? |
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| 06:22.33 | markybob | i was in the navy...and we do like our porn :P |
| 06:22.39 | Fare | valdyn, ok, then why doesn't it start if I click on the "start network manager automatically on login" in the options? |
| 06:22.54 | valdyn | Fare: no idea, i dont use kde |
| 06:22.55 | Fare | why indeed does the option seem to be reset when I go back in the configuration menu? |
| 06:23.12 | Fare | markybob, is there navy-specific porn? |
| 06:23.19 | valdyn | Fare: maybe you didnt hit "save" or "apply" |
| 06:23.19 | icenine | Fare: why should the desktop environment configure the network connection? |
| 06:23.34 | slxx | markybob: target, bubblehead or airdale? |
| 06:23.44 | oviri | dimir: it seem easy to recover files on reiserfs filesystem i'll try tomorow thank you angain :) |
| 06:23.47 | markybob | Fare, no :p generic porn |
| 06:23.56 | Fare | icenine, yes, a couple keys are needed, and it remembers the key itself, but resets the setting to "passphrase" instead of "hex" |
| 06:23.58 | dimir | oviri: no problemo. ;) |
| 06:24.05 | markybob | slxx, i was a boatswain's mate in the surface fleet |
| 06:24.11 | valdyn | Fare: this confirms however that its just not started anyway, its not "failing" |
| 06:24.15 | Fare | icenine, because you have to pick which network to connect to |
| 06:24.24 | oviri | thank to others too,ho have answer me :) |
| 06:24.26 | Fare | when you're on the move and there are many alternatives |
| 06:24.40 | Fare | of course, it's better if you autoconnect when you know the existing network |
| 06:24.44 | oviri | apologize for thebad english |
| 06:24.47 | Fare | (I wish k-n-m would do it) |
| 06:25.06 | slxx | markybob: how's your bum knee holding up? ;) |
| 06:25.14 | Fare | valdyn, well, it's failing to remember the options I'm configuring it to remember, then |
| 06:25.16 | dimir | Fare: when you save settings, check the knetworkmanager's config file if it save the data there or not? |
| 06:25.18 | Fare | which is just as bad |
| 06:25.30 | markybob | slxx, fuck my knee. i'm still alive :) |
| 06:25.37 | Fare | dimir: where would that file be? |
| 06:25.41 | valdyn | Fare: thats not the point, the point is that we need useful information to debug this |
| 06:25.50 | dimir | dpkg -L kntworkmanager |
| 06:25.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching kntworkmanager |
| 06:25.52 | Fare | valdyn: where do I look for it?? |
| 06:25.59 | dimir | and see something like conf |
| 06:26.11 | Fare | dimir, the package is network-manager-kde I believe |
| 06:26.18 | Fare | and the conf would be in my home dir |
| 06:26.24 | valdyn | Fare: can you change related settings and those will stay? |
| 06:26.35 | valdyn | Fare: i mean settings in the same "settings manager" or whatever |
| 06:26.37 | dimir | Fare: I bet it's int /home/fare/.kde/share/apps/knetworkmanager/bla bla bla |
| 06:26.51 | valdyn | Fare: can you start your settings manager from a terminal to see errors? |
| 06:26.52 | dimir | ye |
| 06:27.10 | valdyn | Fare: maybe that is running "kcontrol", im clearly quite unfamiliar with kde.. |
| 06:27.37 | dimir | I doubt kcontrol is yet connected to knetworkmanager. |
| 06:28.00 | Fare | I see a .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc that doesn't look like it gets updated when I tweak the optiosn |
| 06:28.15 | valdyn | dimir: he said that he clicked boxes, i want him to start the program where hes clicking from a terminal |
| 06:28.25 | valdyn | Fare: ^^^ |
| 06:28.56 | Fare | rm's the file, and starts again |
| 06:28.58 | dimir | valdyn: Oh, not got your idea. |
| 06:29.01 | valdyn | 08:22 < Fare> valdyn, ok, then why doesn't it start if I click on the "start network manager automatically on... |
| 06:29.03 | icenine | That's a good move. |
| 06:29.24 | Fare | my hypothesis will be that k-n-m borks when reading the file that has data from an old version, or something |
| 06:29.24 | dimir | purge the fscker! |
| 06:29.32 | icenine | if your only goal is to not type keys in, why not write a script to save a list of networks and keys and give them aliases. |
| 06:29.50 | icenine | you could run this script, from clicking an icon on your desktop. |
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| 06:30.03 | dimir | Fare: this is why I'd try purging and then installing it back. |
| 06:30.15 | Fare | icenine, I used to have that on my previous laptop. A pain to maintain - and didn't work anymore when pcmcia-cs was discontinued. |
| 06:30.23 | dimir | He doesn't want to even clickety click. |
| 06:30.27 | valdyn | Fare: why dont you do what i said? |
| 06:30.30 | valdyn | Fare: dont get it? |
| 06:30.35 | Fare | valdyn, what did you say? |
| 06:30.42 | icenine | apt-get install psychic-network-manager |
| 06:31.01 | valdyn | Fare: that you should start the program where you are clicking "start network manager automatically on..." from a terminal |
| 06:31.03 | Fare | I see no errors in the terminal from which I started it |
| 06:31.16 | icenine | Fare: do an strace and see if it is opening up the files you expect it to |
| 06:31.23 | icenine | Fare: knetworkmanager 2>log |
| 06:31.25 | icenine | do all your configs |
| 06:31.26 | icenine | quit |
| 06:31.38 | icenine | then less log and search for files by typing /query |
| 06:31.40 | valdyn | Fare: which program is that? knetworkmanager itself? |
| 06:31.42 | Fare | and I only ever start it but from a terminal (since it doesn't start automatically, and doesn't seem to have an icon in the menu) |
| 06:31.46 | Fare | yes |
| 06:31.53 | icenine | strace knetworkmanager 2>log that is. |
| 06:32.14 | valdyn | Fare: can you manually delete the knetworkmanager config file? |
| 06:32.28 | hoxu | are there etch debs for iceweasel3? |
| 06:32.53 | Fare | or rather, there is one error message - saying that ssh-agent is already running |
| 06:32.55 | markybob | hoxu, iceweasel is in etch. 2.0.0.14 |
| 06:33.02 | Fare | hum |
| 06:33.09 | valdyn | Fare: thats ok, thats not the issue itself |
| 06:33.26 | valdyn | Fare: dpkg -l network-manager-kde |
| 06:33.26 | Fare | removing the conf file seems to have done the trick |
| 06:33.30 | Fare | now knetworkmanager seems to work |
| 06:33.45 | Fare | and remember the settings I tweak |
| 06:33.47 | hoxu | markybob, yes, I mean 3.0 :p |
| 06:33.56 | hoxu | !info iceweasel sid |
| 06:33.59 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 06:34.06 | Fare | ii network-manage 1:0.2.2-1 KDE systray applet for controlling NetworkMa |
| 06:34.14 | markybob | hoxu, is an unreleased software in stable debian? no |
| 06:34.15 | valdyn | Fare: nm, if this works now.. |
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| 06:34.27 | Fare | should I file a bug? |
| 06:34.40 | valdyn | Fare: no, im looking at a bug already that looks like yours |
| 06:34.57 | hoxu | markybob, okay, let's be more specific: has anyone backported iceweasel3 to etch? |
| 06:35.05 | markybob | hoxu, no |
| 06:35.23 | slxx | gosub without return? sounds like goto to me. |
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| 06:35.45 | Fare | valdyn: url? |
| 06:35.55 | valdyn | Fare: does it work ok now? |
| 06:36.25 | valdyn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473100 |
| 06:36.41 | Fare | valdyn, looks like so |
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| 06:37.38 | Fare | valdyn, different bug |
| 06:37.53 | Fare | or at least, different symptoms |
| 06:38.11 | valdyn | Fare: dont really know as that bug never gets clear on what this is, as the reporter is lazy to help debug it |
| 06:38.21 | valdyn | Fare: yea |
| 06:38.28 | hoxu | markybob, I guess the easiest alternative is to use the firefox binaries then |
| 06:38.30 | Fare | is it worth reporting a bug for what happened to me and what I did to fix it? |
| 06:38.41 | valdyn | Fare: maybe you too ran knetworkmanager as root |
| 06:38.50 | valdyn | Fare: and that broke permissions on the config file |
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| 06:39.16 | valdyn | Fare: kinda hard to tell without error messages and strance output though |
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| 06:39.34 | Fare | oh, I know what could have caused it: running it once as root |
| 06:39.45 | Fare | with su or whatever doesn't change your $HOME |
| 06:39.48 | valdyn | Fare: yep, thats my point |
| 06:39.56 | Fare | then the file would have had the wrong permissions |
| 06:39.57 | valdyn | Fare: sudo doesnt |
| 06:40.27 | Fare | ok, let's assume it's what happened |
| 06:40.33 | Fare | gah |
| 06:40.44 | Fare | chown -R fare.fare ~fare |
| 06:41.02 | simonrvn | s,.,:, |
| 06:41.19 | hoxu | s#v#u# |
| 06:41.26 | Fare | simonrvn, not necessary |
| 06:41.55 | Fare | valdyn, thanks a lot |
| 06:41.55 | simonrvn | using . is deprecated, that's my point (pardon the pun) |
| 06:41.56 | valdyn | and s#~far#~/far# |
| 06:42.06 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:42.13 | Fare | valdyn, no, ~fare |
| 06:42.24 | valdyn | Fare: ops |
| 06:42.27 | valdyn | Fare: right |
| 06:43.15 | simonrvn | true true |
| 06:43.21 | Fare | ok, next challenge: getting power management to work on this eeepc |
| 06:43.57 | valdyn | !cpufrequtils |
| 06:44.09 | valdyn | Fare: install and configure cpufrequtils |
| 06:44.15 | valdyn | im not sure you want to do more than that |
| 06:44.50 | Fare | valdyn, apparently, it's installed already |
| 06:45.01 | Fare | and I have the eeepc-acpi kernel module |
| 06:45.33 | Fare | but linux will fail to powerdown when I telinit 0, it will fail to slow down the machine when I close the lid (or anything) |
| 06:45.45 | Fare | I can't suspend to either ram or disk |
| 06:45.48 | Fare | frustrating |
| 06:46.30 | valdyn | Fare: eeepc-acpi-scripts wants to be installed |
| 06:47.00 | Fare | done that |
| 06:47.02 | Fare | no effect |
| 06:47.12 | Fare | oh, I run with a SD card |
| 06:47.23 | Fare | so I may be in need of some magic setting |
| 06:48.26 | valdyn | Fare: "tail -f /var/log/acpid" and hit your acpi keys.. |
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| 06:48.54 | Fare | what are "acpi keys" ? |
| 06:49.08 | valdyn | Fare: keys that emit acpi signals |
| 06:49.30 | valdyn | Fare: your suspend key, typically also the various fn-fx combinations on laptops |
| 06:50.48 | Fare | no such file |
| 06:50.56 | Fare | light keys work |
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| 06:52.33 | valdyn | Fare: daemon.log shows those signals by default i think |
| 06:52.37 | Fare | ls -lrt /var/log |
| 06:52.48 | valdyn | Fare: acpi.log might be my own custom setup, i dont remember |
| 06:53.46 | valdyn | Fare: "grep acpi /var/log/daemon.log" should give something |
| 06:54.47 | valdyn | Fare: but look at /usr/share/doc/eeepc* |
| 06:55.54 | Fare | nothing in /var/log - the key may be intercepted. Looking there... |
| 06:56.00 | Fare | btw, thanks a lot for the support! |
| 06:57.19 | icenine | I noticed there was a guy selling a lot of eeepc's on eBay with linux. |
| 06:57.26 | icenine | He seemed to be turning a profit. |
| 06:57.59 | icenine | are they very good? |
| 06:58.48 | mhymn | hi, what was the command to change the default display manager? switch between xdm, kdm, gdm for example |
| 06:59.08 | hoxu | mhymn, /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:00.40 | mhymn | hoxu: thanks, but i remember sth like dpkg-reconfigure or similiar, is there another way beside what you mentioned? |
| 07:01.12 | hoxu | mhymn, yes, there is probably a more difficult way |
| 07:01.17 | mhymn | :-D |
| 07:01.25 | JyZyXEL | pukes in the hierarcial token bucket |
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| 07:02.50 | Fare | maybe I should sell my eeepc with debian when I get it properly configured, and buy a new one |
| 07:02.52 | Fare | meh |
| 07:03.00 | hoxu | mhymn, I think the more difficult way involves emacs and a butterfly. |
| 07:03.22 | mhymn | hoxu: probably! |
| 07:04.16 | mhymn | hoxu: i mean it was some more automatic way, a command perhaps, damn i dont remember |
| 07:04.39 | hoxu | mhymn, echo $(which kdm) > /etc/X11/default-display-manager # ? |
| 07:04.47 | Fare | icenine: do you know guile? |
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| 07:05.02 | mhymn | hoxu: come on! |
| 07:05.03 | Fare | its "OS" was codenamed ice9 |
| 07:05.15 | Fare | (after the same novel) |
| 07:07.55 | icenine | I only know of guile scheme? |
| 07:08.09 | Fare | that very one |
| 07:08.22 | Fare | wasn't very successful |
| 07:08.38 | icenine | my nick is named after ice nine, the fictional material in kurt vonnegut's cat's cradle. |
| 07:08.54 | Fare | I was a user of scwm based on guile - it leaked enough memory to hose the system after a few days of running |
| 07:08.55 | icenine | ah, you said after the er |
| 07:08.56 | icenine | yeah |
| 07:09.06 | icenine | the OS was written in scheme? |
| 07:09.18 | Fare | "OS" is a big word |
| 07:09.20 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 07:09.20 | dpkg | <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking retarded |
| 07:09.25 | icenine | Yeah it is. |
| 07:09.37 | icenine | I'll have to look it up |
| 07:09.38 | icenine | sound scool |
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| 07:09.50 | Fare | but I think that's what rms was referring to in his old interview where he said hurd would have a scheme-based layer on top |
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| 07:10.14 | Fare | don't bother with guile scheme it sucks |
| 07:10.28 | Fare | but if a lisp os sounds cool to you, try the genera emulator |
| 07:10.38 | Fare | (if you got a 64bit machine) |
| 07:10.57 | icenine | I'm not educated in scheme or lisp yet. I'm learning prolog now |
| 07:11.06 | icenine | lisp/scheme is next ;) |
| 07:11.20 | Fare | prolog is in some way supercool and modern, and in other ways braindead and ancient |
| 07:11.33 | Fare | if you like the idea of prolog, try Oz or Mercury instead |
| 07:11.34 | icenine | yeah. I am kind of getting that vibe too. |
| 07:11.42 | icenine | I think it will be cool to call prolog from my C programs |
| 07:11.48 | icenine | Oz or mercury, ok |
| 07:11.54 | icenine | I'll take a look |
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| 07:12.26 | eshat | !kde4 |
| 07:12.26 | dpkg | kde 4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 07:12.27 | Fare | (or if you're a lisp guy, try Xi, Screamer, or Schelog) |
| 07:12.54 | eshat | join #debian-kde |
| 07:14.09 | icenine | right now, i'm a C guy. |
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| 07:14.35 | icenine | C doesn't really teach you a lot about programming though. I mean, it taught me how not to program. |
| 07:14.49 | hoxu | hands out some Offtopic Guy -stickers |
| 07:15.07 | hoxu | well nevermind, it's not like we have real questions now ;) |
| 07:15.10 | icenine | C is a great tool, but it is a great tool for what it was intended to do, write operating systems, and even that is... |
| 07:15.21 | icenine | Mercury looks cool |
| 07:15.25 | icenine | thanks Fare |
| 07:15.31 | zxxdd | what can you understand from this "4K ( even better: raid chunk, eg. 512k, 1M) align your (virtual) paritions with in the lv." ?? |
| 07:15.41 | Fare | C is too low level for most uses |
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| 07:15.48 | icenine | that's what I'm realizing |
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| 07:15.58 | Fare | still the best solution for low-level problems, despite its limitations |
| 07:16.06 | carlois | hi spanish?? |
| 07:16.21 | icenine | the only things i can think I'd like to use it for, are microcontrollers, writing bindings for other languages, OS stuff, network stuff.. |
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| 07:16.34 | Fare | yup |
| 07:16.35 | zxxdd | lv is logical volume |
| 07:16.49 | scorche | embedded development... |
| 07:16.52 | Fare | icenine:someday I'll resurrect my TUNES project and do something better |
| 07:16.55 | icenine | I really want to get a microcontroller working on linux, but haven't shelled out cash for experience yet. |
| 07:17.00 | icenine | TUNES? |
| 07:17.16 | Fare | regarding low-level things, tho, see how the ml-kit-with-regions is having a high-level language that can run without a gc |
| 07:17.37 | icenine | Fare: getting a bit over my head now. |
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| 07:17.39 | Fare | icenine: don't get me started. you can browse obsolete stuff on tunes.org |
| 07:17.44 | icenine | ah |
| 07:17.45 | icenine | ok |
| 07:17.45 | Fare | gotta go |
| 07:17.49 | icenine | Later |
| 07:17.51 | Fare | anyway - thanks a lot guys |
| 07:20.48 | zxxdd | what's the consequence of setting /sys/block/sdb/queue/max_sectors_kb to 4 ? will i experience degradation in perfomance? |
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| 07:27.45 | hoxu | zxxdd, well, did the source that told you to do that explain what effects it has? |
| 07:28.11 | zxxdd | no |
| 07:28.28 | zxxdd | maybe degraded perfomance , but dosent say why |
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| 07:28.56 | hoxu | zxxdd, what does it say the benefit is then? |
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| 07:29.17 | zxxdd | i basically need help understanding this http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080523.161104.054c63ef.it.html |
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| 07:31.16 | hoxu | zxxdd, are you seeing the problems described at top? |
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| 07:32.11 | zxxdd | w00t?? |
| 07:32.12 | zxxdd | yes |
| 07:32.19 | zxxdd | xen on lvm on drbd |
| 07:32.28 | zxxdd | i got the problem |
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| 07:32.45 | zxxdd | the error message |
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| 07:35.55 | hoxu | zxxdd, I don't really understand much, but if I understood it right, the workarounds described there are best first, it doesn't detail much what kind of performance effects it has if any though :p |
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| 07:36.07 | mohadib | if any cmus users are here.. is it possible to remove duplicate tracks from a playlist? |
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| 07:36.32 | hoxu | zxxdd, I'm afraid I'm not able to help, but if you can follow the workaround a) maybe you should test yourself if there are any performance problems |
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| 07:41.59 | pr0ggie | Hello, I want to install Debian. I wanted to know if using Small CD netinstall is going to be tricker than normal install? |
| 07:43.41 | omry | is pear in debian lenny usable? I installed it and found it didn't work because it looked for php at /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/local |
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| 07:56.02 | Coke | Is it normal for apt-file update to take several minutes without any output at all? |
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| 07:57.06 | hark | yes |
| 07:57.33 | Coke | Well, IMO apt-file is broken. |
| 07:57.34 | Coke | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 07:57.39 | Coke | I'm on Testing AMD64. |
| 07:58.06 | Coke | Is there another way to search for a file in a package? |
| 07:58.09 | hark | you can run it in verbose mode to see what it's doing |
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| 07:58.21 | hark | Coke: packages.debian.org |
| 07:59.02 | hark | Coke: or it's already installed, dlocate or dpkg -S |
| 07:59.03 | Coke | hark: hm, it did fetch the contents, just failed with that line. |
| 07:59.21 | Coke | hark: ok, thanks man. |
| 07:59.56 | Coke | I'm so used to Debian just working flawlessly these days that I don't keep up with the do's and dont's :) |
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| 08:00.22 | hark | maybe it was a temporary issue with the mirror, can you wget it? |
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| 08:02.18 | Coke | hark: I don't need it. |
| 08:02.22 | Coke | It's i386, I'm on AMD64. |
| 08:02.37 | Coke | It did get the files for my dist correctly. |
| 08:02.44 | hark | i see |
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| 08:04.50 | dpkg | #483453:N[apt-file] apt-file: tries to fetch security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Contents-i386.gz which does not exist; Wed, 28 May 2008 20:45:07 UTC |
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| 08:06.24 | zmotok | hello everyone; anyone got an idea on how to log a laptop's resume from suspend or why would a laptop resume cleanly once, twice but not the third time (completely random actually); using lenny with 2.6.24-686 |
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| 08:08.06 | cahoot | zmotok: looked at /var/log/acpid? |
| 08:08.18 | warlock | hey guys, I did a apt-get upgrade yesterday, and now Apache2 doesn't seem to work at all |
| 08:08.24 | warlock | running debian etch |
| 08:08.39 | cahoot | checked the logs? |
| 08:09.07 | warlock | I mean, apache2 works - but I cannot access the websites, just a 404 page pretty much |
| 08:09.12 | zmotok | cahoot: yeah, and when the laptop doesn't resume, nothing gets logged |
| 08:09.42 | cahoot | zmotok: not in any log at all? |
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| 08:09.48 | zmotok | cahoot: it appears to start (power led on, fan on, etc) but the screen doesn't get activated and there's no activity on disk |
| 08:10.07 | zmotok | cahoot: no log at all, that's what's so funny |
| 08:10.16 | cahoot | not so funny |
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| 08:10.42 | zmotok | actually when you leave it with a few documents open and it won't resume yeah, not so funny |
| 08:11.09 | warlock | cahoot: I played around with apache2 (reinstalled etc) and now I get this; http://rlock.eu/ |
| 08:11.56 | warlock | doesn't seem to want to load php5, any ideas how to enable it? |
| 08:12.01 | warlock | Been a while since I played around with the envoirment |
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| 08:16.06 | cahoot | a2enmode php? |
| 08:16.11 | cahoot | a2enmod php? |
| 08:16.21 | warlock | ? |
| 08:16.46 | cahoot | man a2enmod perhaps |
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| 08:24.41 | warlock | well |
| 08:24.49 | warlock | I fixed it, but watch what happends when you try to go to the website; |
| 08:24.52 | warlock | http://rlock.eu |
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| 08:25.23 | warlock | what can the problem be? |
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| 08:27.32 | warlock | Any ideas cahoot? |
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| 08:28.04 | cahoot | redirected to hidanseek.se? |
| 08:28.09 | Nazcafan_ | hi |
| 08:28.25 | cahoot | err redirected to hidenseek.se |
| 08:28.26 | warlock | yeah, thats what its supposed to do |
| 08:28.31 | warlock | but nothing happends, the page doesnt load |
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| 08:29.32 | Nazcafan | when I switch tabs in iceweasel, some pages are quite slow to display |
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| 08:30.50 | Nazcafan | I use an Athlon 1 GHZ, but I thought it might be some bad setup option of my nvidia card |
| 08:32.05 | warlock | cahoot; well, it should redirect. But still nothing happends, ntohing load etc. |
| 08:32.21 | Nazcafan | I use the nv default driver, but I am not interested in 3D, so I would consider giving a try to the nvidia blob in the sole case it would improve the usuability of my xserver |
| 08:32.37 | cahoot | warlock: sorry I know painfully little about wbeservers |
| 08:32.41 | warlock | Ok, damn |
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| 08:34.21 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: unlikely that that's a video driver problem. (nv here too btw) |
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| 08:35.08 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: switching windows on my box is quite slow, is this just a CPU issue ? |
| 08:35.18 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: (gnome) |
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| 08:36.00 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: after etch->lenny? |
| 08:36.00 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: e.g., when I alt+tab it takes like a second to redisplay the window I swith to |
| 08:36.22 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: no, I always used lenny on this box |
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| 08:36.46 | Bushmills | ah. because there were several complaints about slow desktop switching |
| 08:36.54 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: (as a matter of factor, I had an ubuntu first, but I gave up on it) |
| 08:37.09 | Bushmills | buggy horny hamster? |
| 08:37.10 | Nazcafan | *fact |
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| 08:38.20 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: I like very much debian, but on 2005, I decided to give ubuntu a try, but still, I prefer debian testing, which needs a little bit of care, but represents a good compromise between stability and uptodate apps |
| 08:38.44 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: so I decided to switch this box to debian testing |
| 08:38.48 | Bushmills | well, was the video driver responsable for a second delay when redrawing the screen, you'd see that also in normal windows updates |
| 08:39.50 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: when I switch to xchat, for example, I see the xchat window progressively displayed from top to bottom |
| 08:39.52 | warlock | Does anyone know how to list the mysql databses from ssh? |
| 08:41.21 | Bushmills | you could start a fast-updating CPU monitor grapher. xosview for example, and watch for CPU spikes during desktop switching |
| 08:44.04 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: some/few video cards, or drivers, don't like 24 bit, but prefer 16 or 32 bit color depth. but i doubt that that's an issue for the NVidia card/driver. still, you could try out to compare. |
| 08:44.16 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: I will |
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| 08:44.56 | Nazcafan | In a completely different topic, how do I select the default card for my apps ? |
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| 08:45.13 | Nazcafan | I have two sound cards |
| 08:45.34 | cahoot | asoundconf should help you |
| 08:45.45 | Nazcafan | cahoot: as root, I guess? |
| 08:46.01 | cahoot | not need AFAIK |
| 08:46.04 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: alsactl could help |
| 08:46.12 | cahoot | ? |
| 08:47.34 | Nazcafan | cahoot: OK I changed my default card, are the effects immediate? |
| 08:47.44 | cahoot | alsa restart |
| 08:47.53 | cahoot | (as root) |
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| 08:49.21 | Nazcafan | I did, but no sound yet |
| 08:49.31 | Nazcafan | I might need to relog ? |
| 08:49.46 | cahoot | Nazcafan: run speaker-test - error? |
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| 08:50.29 | Nazcafan | cahoot: lots of errors |
| 08:50.47 | Nazcafan | ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.device' |
| 08:50.59 | Nazcafan | ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 08:51.06 | Nazcafan | (no such file or directory) |
| 08:51.35 | cahoot | Nazcafan: ok remove the ~/.asoundrc* files asoundconf created |
| 08:52.14 | Nazcafan | did |
| 08:52.24 | cahoot | Nazcafan: run speaker-test again |
| 08:52.30 | Nazcafan | (I performed the test as root, it might have been a bad idea) |
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| 08:53.14 | Nazcafan | ah, no errors, but still no sound |
| 08:53.36 | cahoot | Nazcafan: run speaker-test -t wav -D pluh:hw:1 |
| 08:53.39 | cahoot | Nazcafan: run speaker-test -t wav -D plug:hw:1 |
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| 08:54.03 | ArthurArchnix | On Lenny right now, disappointed that the new gnome clock isn't here... amazing how quickly I grew to love that little clock. Is it available in testing repos or is it just not out of Sid yet? |
| 08:54.20 | Nazcafan | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM pluh:hw:1 |
| 08:54.21 | Nazcafan | Playback open error: -2,Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 08:54.34 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 08:54.34 | dpkg | [localized errors] it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else. LANG=C command |
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| 08:54.48 | ArthurArchnix | It occurred to me to ask while these updates I'm downloading are installed. There are 20MB of updates to gnome-applets. |
| 08:54.50 | ArthurArchnix | clock? |
| 08:54.53 | cahoot | Nazcafan: my typo -D plug:hw:1 |
| 08:54.53 | ArthurArchnix | :) |
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| 08:55.25 | Nazcafan | cahoot: works fine :-s |
| 08:55.34 | Nazcafan | cahoot: was almost struck by the sound |
| 08:56.11 | Nazcafan | "front" "left" |
| 08:56.30 | cahoot | Nazcafan: ok the card you want as default gets to be the 2:nd card from alsas point of view - you can change that by giving it index=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 08:57.29 | Nazcafan | cahoot: no alsa-base file in modprobe.d, what is the exact line syntax, please ? |
| 08:57.43 | Nazcafan | (I guess I should create it) |
| 08:57.46 | cahoot | Nazcafan: no |
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| 08:58.30 | Nazcafan | ah? |
| 08:58.30 | cahoot | Nazcafan: it's called something else in etch (thats what you run?) |
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| 08:58.31 | Nazcafan | cahoot: lenny |
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| 08:59.13 | cahoot | Nazcafan: you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 08:59.13 | Nazcafan | I have a dynamic link called linux-sound-base_noOSS that points to nowhere |
| 08:59.47 | Nazcafan | cahoot: indeed |
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| 09:01.00 | cahoot | Nazcafan: upgraded from etch or fresh install of lenny? |
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| 09:01.31 | Nazcafan | cahoot: I don't remember very well, but I am almost sure I always used testing |
| 09:01.58 | Nazcafan | I might have installed an etch and then upgraded it though it is very unlikely |
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| 09:02.23 | cahoot | Nazcafan: I don't know what creates modprobe.d/alsa-base - but it's there on my lenny |
| 09:03.04 | cahoot | Nazcafan: see if dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base does any good |
| 09:03.13 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: your computer seems to be older ... is that alse the case for your nvidia controller? |
| 09:03.18 | Bushmills | also |
| 09:03.27 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: it does |
| 09:03.34 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: it is, sorry |
| 09:03.37 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: which one is it? |
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| 09:04.11 | pythonic | lvm-over-luks or luks-over-lvm? |
| 09:04.14 | Nazcafan | cahoot: no alsa-base after dpkg-recconfigure alsa-base |
| 09:04.26 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 09:04.31 | ArthurArchnix | When I boot up I get error messages related to /etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules, specifically, it says this 'ID_CLASS' is unknown. I added two lines in this file to automatically turn off my touchpad when a mouse is plugged in. This is what the lines look like: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ID_CLASS=="mouse", RUN+="/usr/bin/synclient touchpadoff=1" Despite the errors, things work exactly like they should. I've tried it with Just one = aft |
| 09:05.38 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: mine is a bit older, nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] (rev a3), and the gl driver, while working once allright, don't do that anymore with mine. none of the three main branches is satisfactory now. |
| 09:06.04 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: so I guess are only hope resides on nouveau? |
| 09:06.20 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: i have no problems with the nv driver |
| 09:07.05 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: I still get this slowness on displaying windows, but it might be some option that is not in my xorg.conf |
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| 09:07.19 | Bushmills | but i am interested in the progress of the driver development with opengl support for ati cards, now that register specs have been made available. |
| 09:07.36 | cahoot | Nazcafan: seems it's installed with alsa-base - possibly a leftover |
| 09:09.27 | Nazcafan | cahoot: how should I proceed, now ? |
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| 09:09.45 | Nazcafan | cahoot: I am tempted to disable the built-in sound card from bios |
| 09:10.16 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: grep XAA /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:10.22 | cahoot | Nazcafan: that's probably the simplest solution |
| 09:10.37 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: (II) NV(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) |
| 09:11.16 | cahoot | Nazcafan: else I *think* you can create a file like /modprobe.d/alsa with the content: options snd-<your module> index=0 |
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| 09:11.45 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: grep DRI /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:12.11 | JyZyXEL | tc class add dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 0 mtu 1500 |
| 09:12.11 | JyZyXEL | "rate" is required. |
| 09:12.23 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI |
| 09:12.23 | Nazcafan | (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 09:12.44 | Bushmills | shouldn't matter much as you're not running 3d stuff anyway |
| 09:13.08 | Nazcafan | cahoot: I tomboyised your hint, will try when I restart the machine to disable the built-in sound card |
| 09:13.24 | Nazcafan | cahoot: wait, no that is stupid |
| 09:14.05 | Nazcafan | cahoot: I tried to set asoundconf as user, but no the sound apps are like stuck |
| 09:14.49 | Nazcafan | rebooting, brb |
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| 09:16.33 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... I'm trying to get some info on my device, but the instructions I'm following just say find you device in /sys .. but I can't find my usb mouse in here. Any idea where it would be? |
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| 09:18.35 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: check for /dev/input/mice |
| 09:19.02 | ArthurArchnix | Bushmills: Yup... found it under input. Thanks |
| 09:19.13 | warlock | Does someone know how to export all the databases via ssh? |
| 09:19.30 | corgans | hi |
| 09:19.39 | Bushmills | oh. "info", sorry |
| 09:19.40 | corgans | anyone able to help out with LVM? |
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| 09:20.30 | Bushmills | check /sys/devices/virtual/input/mice |
| 09:20.50 | corgans | would like to know the impact of using pvcreate on a device with existing data |
| 09:20.57 | banet | hello i have installed some update from apt-get about the xorg server, and now x wont start, after rebooting |
| 09:21.13 | banet | /bin/sh /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing is running |
| 09:21.24 | banet | also, this is running: /usr/lib/gdm/gdmopen -l /bin/sh -c /etc/gdm/XKeepsCra |
| 09:21.27 | banet | shing -noopen |
| 09:21.38 | banet | as well as /bin/sh /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing -noopen |
| 09:22.09 | Bushmills | welcome to the joys of testing |
| 09:22.20 | hoxu | !btssmite banet |
| 09:22.20 | dpkg | beats banet around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if banet is running Unstable |
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| 09:22.31 | banet | i am on etch |
| 09:22.39 | hoxu | corgans, effect? You don't run pvcreate on a device which contains data you want to keep |
| 09:22.52 | ArthurArchnix | Gonan reboot. Looks like the syntax I was using was depracted, but still worked. It just threw some errors. I've re-written the rule a bit so I'll reboot now and see if it still spits out errors. Also, I'll see if this partition still shows up on my desktop. |
| 09:23.00 | banet | i am getting the updates from apt-get as they are announced via the deskbar applet in gnome.. nothing unusual |
| 09:23.02 | hoxu | banet, oh, the security update then... what video card do you have? |
| 09:23.04 | ArthurArchnix | I'm messing around a lot right now with fdi rules :) |
| 09:23.14 | corgans | i lost PV/LV/VG after a reboot |
| 09:23.19 | banet | hoxu: i have a geforce fx5500 |
| 09:23.21 | hoxu | warlock, you could pipe mysqldump over ssh, is that what you want? |
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| 09:23.30 | corgans | there is now no reference to it anywhere |
| 09:23.30 | hoxu | banet, are you using the installer from nvidia? |
| 09:23.32 | JyZyXEL | i still haven't figured out how to choose what gateway to use to bring interface up |
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| 09:23.41 | banet | hoxu: yes i was, that is how it was working before |
| 09:23.41 | corgans | but i am sure the data is still there |
| 09:23.42 | JyZyXEL | ifup doesn't allow you to choose gateway |
| 09:23.49 | hoxu | banet, reinstall |
| 09:23.51 | warlock | hoxu; I just need to export all my databases (I dont know what they are all called), so I can just import them into phpmyadmin later on |
| 09:23.51 | JyZyXEL | or the DHCP server you wanna use |
| 09:23.56 | corgans | it was setup as LVM previousy |
| 09:24.03 | hoxu | banet, I mean, reinstall the nvidia driver again by running the installer |
| 09:24.09 | banet | ok |
| 09:24.09 | JyZyXEL | i cannot use dhcclient if eth is down |
| 09:24.20 | hoxu | warlock, man mysqldump, then scp the resulting file |
| 09:24.21 | JyZyXEL | how the heck does it work |
| 09:24.33 | JyZyXEL | how does one send DHCP request when the damn interface is down |
| 09:24.41 | warlock | hoxu; mysqldump - will it create a mysql dump file, or just output hte content+ |
| 09:24.42 | corgans | if i start again and use pvcreate, will that just wipe the head and not the data on the device? |
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| 09:25.01 | embrik | how do I change gui language in icedove? |
| 09:25.02 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, doesn't allow you to choose gateway? I thought you are speaking of using dhclient |
| 09:25.12 | JyZyXEL | yea well i don't know |
| 09:25.15 | JyZyXEL | i mean dhcp server |
| 09:25.17 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: if your gateway ip is outside of the net, there is a p2p option you can use. |
| 09:25.24 | JyZyXEL | no its not |
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| 09:25.31 | Mike1 | hey |
| 09:25.33 | hoxu | warlock, man 1 mysqldump, read the description |
| 09:25.35 | JyZyXEL | i wanna use 192.168.0.1 instead of 192.168.0.2 |
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| 09:25.52 | embrik | how do I change gui language in icedove? debian etch - what repository do I use? |
| 09:26.00 | JyZyXEL | but the .2 has to always be the damn default for some reason |
| 09:26.06 | hoxu | !tell JyZyXEL about sicco |
| 09:26.09 | JyZyXEL | i don't know where to change that |
| 09:26.09 | Mike1 | my sister has a Netgear MA111 w-lan interface, with Prism2 chipset, how can i make it work in the debian installer? |
| 09:26.16 | JyZyXEL | i just know ifup eth0 |
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| 09:26.24 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, please describe the problem you have or want to solve, and show us your interfaces file too |
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| 09:26.50 | hoxu | embrik, do you have the correct locale selected? |
| 09:26.50 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: you specify the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces. or, if dhcp, your dhcp server specifies it. |
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| 09:26.57 | banet | hoxu: the nvidia installer says i already have it intalled on my system (ver 169.12) , to install this version (169.12) it wants to uninstall mine (169.12) |
| 09:27.10 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills ok where do i spesify DHCP server |
| 09:27.10 | banet | i want to do this, yes? |
| 09:27.12 | hoxu | banet, yes, you need to reinstall it after changes to X libraries |
| 09:27.24 | Mike1 | because there is no driver in that list which matches the Prism2 chipset |
| 09:27.25 | embrik | hoxu, dpkg-reconfigure locales? Yes, I have norwegian typeset |
| 09:27.25 | hoxu | banet, or kernel, or pretty much anything |
| 09:27.26 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: you don't. there should be only one on your segment |
| 09:27.32 | JyZyXEL | there are multiple |
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| 09:27.45 | hoxu | embrik, when you type "locale" in a terminal, does it seem correct? |
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| 09:27.54 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: then their config should contain info about who to serve |
| 09:27.56 | banet | hoxu: so i should avoid installing xorg updates |
| 09:28.12 | embrik | hoxu, Yes |
| 09:28.14 | hoxu | banet, no, you just need to shut down X after those and rerun the nvidia installer |
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| 09:28.26 | Bushmills | otherwise you get a race condition for serving you |
| 09:28.30 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills so you are telling me that the DHCP request always goes to broadcast and there is no other way to change that other than changin it from the souce? |
| 09:28.52 | embrik | hoxu, I need to install language pack for icedove - but doesn't seem to have the aprpriate repsotiroy |
| 09:28.54 | hoxu | embrik, are you sure icedove has been localized for norwegian then? |
| 09:28.57 | hoxu | ah |
| 09:29.02 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: some dhcp clients give the possibilty to specigy dhcp server. but in general, it is broadcast, yes |
| 09:29.15 | JyZyXEL | how can you even send a DHCP request when you have no IP-address |
| 09:29.17 | banet | hoxu: i am not sure what this means: ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This happens most frequently when this kernel module was built against the wrong or improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that |
| 09:29.26 | JyZyXEL | the Network is unreachable |
| 09:29.30 | embrik | hoxu, How do I localize it? |
| 09:29.34 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: you nic will havea temporary one |
| 09:29.41 | JyZyXEL | dhclient3 -s 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:29.48 | JyZyXEL | Network is unreachable |
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| 09:29.51 | banet | hoxu: with a version of gcc that differs from the one used to build the target kernel, or if a driver such as rivafb/nvidiafb is present and prevents the NVIDIA kernel module from obtaining ownership of the NVIDIA graphics device(s). |
| 09:29.51 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, read up the wikipedia article on how DHCP works if you care |
| 09:30.05 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, you still haven't told us what you actually want to do |
| 09:30.24 | JyZyXEL | get some DHCP stuff from 192.168.0.1 |
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| 09:30.46 | hoxu | embrik, no idea if it needs a separate language pack, sorry |
| 09:31.10 | hoxu | !tell JyZyXEL about smart questions |
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| 09:32.09 | hoxu | banet, hmm, you didn't have that problem last time? |
| 09:32.11 | banet | how do i do this step: Try unloading the rivafb, nvidiafb or rivatv kernel module |
| 09:32.12 | JyZyXEL | i don't understand how network connections are bring up |
| 09:32.23 | banet | hoxu: no |
| 09:32.30 | banet | hoxu: i am using the same installer as last time |
| 09:32.37 | hoxu | banet, what does "lsmod |grep 'nvidia|riva'" say? |
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| 09:32.50 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, man 5 interfaces |
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| 09:33.02 | banet | hoxu: nothing |
| 09:33.28 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, you could also describe the setup you want to have so we could point you what you need to have there |
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| 09:33.33 | banet | lsmod | grep nvidia returns "nvidiafb 42236 1" |
| 09:33.40 | banet | also "i2c_algo_bit 8424 1 nvidiafb |
| 09:33.52 | banet | and "i2c_core 19680 4 eeprom,nvidiafb,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_i801" |
| 09:33.55 | JyZyXEL | hoxu: auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:34.02 | JyZyXEL | the basic thing |
| 09:34.10 | hoxu | banet, have you shut down X? |
| 09:34.32 | banet | i dont think its running, at least properly |
| 09:34.38 | banet | how do i kill it if its not running |
| 09:34.41 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, then just put those lines in /etc/network/interfaces and run "ifup eth0" |
| 09:35.01 | hoxu | banet, what display manager do you use, gdm/kdm? |
| 09:35.21 | JyZyXEL | hoxu and then 192.168.0.2 servers me wrong information |
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| 09:35.43 | warlock | hoxu: Is there a way to export the mysql users? |
| 09:35.44 | JyZyXEL | when i really wanted the stuff from 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:35.45 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, is that your own server? |
| 09:35.53 | banet | hoxu gdm, so i am doing /etc/init.d/gdm stop, and running the installer again |
| 09:36.06 | JyZyXEL | hoxu yea i have two DHCP servers |
| 09:36.11 | JyZyXEL | temporarely |
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| 09:36.20 | banet | hoxu: unfortunately i am still seeing the same message in teh invidia installer, even after shutting down gdm |
| 09:36.31 | dbmoodb | hi ah any one know who i can use duplicity in a reverse direction aka sync with it |
| 09:36.38 | hoxu | warlock, I believe they are included in the "mysql" database; please read the mysql manual concerning database backups |
| 09:36.58 | JyZyXEL | the interfaces manual doesn't have a option for DHCP server address |
| 09:37.06 | hoxu | banet, ok, the gdm part is fine, try "rmmod nvidiafb" before running the installer |
| 09:37.26 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, can you show us the /var/log/syslog entries you get concerning dhcp after you run "ifup eth0"? |
| 09:37.31 | JyZyXEL | atleast i don't undesrtand how to use it |
| 09:37.45 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, are those 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 your servers, or ISP's? |
| 09:37.48 | banet | hoxu: rmmod nvidiafb gives 'ERROR: Module nvidiafb is in use' |
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| 09:37.56 | JyZyXEL | hoxu mine |
| 09:38.06 | hoxu | banet, X still running? |
| 09:38.17 | valdyn | banet: you cant usually remove an fb module afaik |
| 09:38.29 | Nazcafan | ok, it works |
| 09:38.39 | banet | hoxu: i cannot see it running in ps ax |
| 09:38.45 | Nazcafan | as for the video, not that well, but is is ok |
| 09:38.53 | hoxu | banet, see what valdyn said, he has a clue ;) |
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| 09:39.18 | banet | then how am i suppsed to reinstall it if its in use,and i fi cant stop it from being in use |
| 09:39.29 | hoxu | banet, valdyn: maybe some modules need to be blacklisted so you can reboot and run the installer again? |
| 09:39.33 | valdyn | banet: why are you using nvidiafb at all? |
| 09:39.51 | banet | valdyn: because thats what the nividai installer originalyl must have done, and it worked and my videocard worked |
| 09:39.55 | wald0 | i want to buy 4 sata HD's and made a raid0 system, in software mode (no hardware), so, i can gain in speed in the same way than if are made in hardware, right ? |
| 09:40.05 | banet | valdyn: and now after this xorg update, everything has gone haywire |
| 09:40.05 | hoxu | banet, nvidiafb module is not from the installer afaik |
| 09:40.11 | valdyn | banet: no, the nvidia installer has nothing to do with it |
| 09:40.15 | banet | hoxu: then i dont know why its there |
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| 09:40.17 | valdyn | banet: and neither does xorg |
| 09:40.28 | JyZyXEL | stupid ifup |
| 09:40.32 | valdyn | banet: nvidiafb only gets in the way of everything X related |
| 09:40.44 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, why are you running two dhcp servers in the network anyway? :p |
| 09:40.47 | banet | its not like i specifically hunted out nvidiafb to install |
| 09:40.53 | banet | im not sure where it came from |
| 09:40.57 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: why don't you just temporarily shut down the second dhcpd? |
| 09:40.59 | valdyn | banet: you loaded it? |
| 09:41.04 | JyZyXEL | yea.. no |
| 09:41.06 | banet | not me, specifically. no |
| 09:41.11 | JyZyXEL | ill just compile my own version of ifup |
| 09:41.17 | banet | it must have been installed somehow in the process of getting my nvidia card to work |
| 09:41.28 | valdyn | banet: for now you can delete the file somewhere in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 09:41.32 | JyZyXEL | if i can manage to find the source |
| 09:41.35 | valdyn | banet: and reboot after that |
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| 09:41.48 | valdyn | banet: file is nvidiafb.ko |
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| 09:42.10 | valdyn | banet: you can also use blacklisting |
| 09:42.16 | hoxu | valdyn, uh, wouldn't blacklisting be the better option? |
| 09:42.18 | valdyn | banet: thats cleaner, but more work |
| 09:42.26 | banet | valdyn: i do not see a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/nvidiafb.ko file |
| 09:42.37 | hoxu | !tell banet about blacklist |
| 09:42.39 | musix | should i go elswhere with java errors and musix linux |
| 09:42.41 | valdyn | banet: "somewhere" includes subdirectories |
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| 09:42.57 | valdyn | musix: yes |
| 09:43.06 | wvdschel | hi, I can't find a tool to calibrate my touchscreen with apt |
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| 09:43.10 | wvdschel | anyone know how to get one? |
| 09:43.28 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, I'd still love to hear why you have two dhcp servers that hand out leases to different networks |
| 09:43.37 | valdyn | wald0: that is a fucked up idea |
| 09:43.44 | banet | valdyn: i will delete /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ? |
| 09:43.46 | valdyn | wald0: you want a raid01 |
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| 09:43.52 | hoxu | banet, no, nvidiafb |
| 09:43.53 | JyZyXEL | hoxu testing purposes |
| 09:44.01 | wald0 | valdyn: 01 ? |
| 09:44.02 | JyZyXEL | im making a new gateway computer |
| 09:44.03 | valdyn | banet: no, its nvidiafb.ko |
| 09:44.05 | valdyn | !raid10 |
| 09:44.06 | hoxu | banet, you could also use the blacklist option, dpkg should've told you how |
| 09:44.12 | JyZyXEL | i can't drop the old one yet |
| 09:44.14 | valdyn | wald0: or 10 |
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| 09:44.40 | valdyn | wald0: im sure wikipedia knows what a raid10 is |
| 09:44.55 | wald0 | valdyn: you mean raid1 with raid01 ? i don't know about raid01 |
| 09:45.00 | banet | what should i add to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local ? |
| 09:45.08 | banet | nvidiafb.ko ? |
| 09:45.09 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, well, I suggest you comb through man 5 dhclient.conf, but I'm not sure if there's anything that would help; with a setup like that you are on your own |
| 09:45.23 | JyZyXEL | yea i know i can ignore it |
| 09:45.25 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 09:45.25 | valdyn | banet: without the .ko |
| 09:45.26 | hoxu | banet, without ".ko" afaik |
| 09:45.34 | banet | ok i will reboot now |
| 09:45.38 | wald0 | valdyn: what i really want is to gain SPEED of HD, via soft since i can't possible to pay an expensive hardware system :), what you recommend me then ? |
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| 09:45.50 | valdyn | wald0: raid10 |
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| 09:45.58 | wald0 | ok, let me see |
| 09:46.05 | JyZyXEL | ifup seriosly needs a --dhcp-server-address |
| 09:46.36 | valdyn | wald0: the speed of raid0 over 4 disks isnt of much use when you quadruple the chance to loose the complete data |
| 09:46.42 | Mike1 | wow, resizing a partition really takes a loooooong time |
| 09:46.42 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, the point of DHCP is automatic configuration, not hardcoded server values |
| 09:46.55 | valdyn | Mike1: no, but resizing a filesystem might |
| 09:47.01 | anaoum | how do I disable the `uname -a` text "Linux debian 2.6.22.18-co-0.7.3 #1 PREEMPT Sat May 24 22:27:30 UTC 2008 i686" from showing when i log in? |
| 09:47.03 | JyZyXEL | stupid DHCP |
| 09:47.10 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, don't use it then |
| 09:47.42 | anaoum | this happens when using ssh as well as locally via login command |
| 09:47.44 | valdyn | anaoum: see /etc/mot* |
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| 09:48.22 | banet | valdyn: this is wierd, blacklisting and removing nvidiafb and rebooting seems to have fixed everything. |
| 09:48.24 | JyZyXEL | hoxu good point |
| 09:48.27 | valdyn | anaoum: and /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 09:48.30 | JyZyXEL | i could just assign a static IP |
| 09:48.39 | hoxu | anaoum, /etc/ssh/sshd_config, PrintMotd, Banner, man sshd_config |
| 09:48.41 | anaoum | valdyn: thanks |
| 09:48.51 | banet | hoxu: blacklisting/removing nvidiafb and rebooting did the trick |
| 09:48.58 | hoxu | banet, good :) |
| 09:48.59 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: iptables -A INPUT -d dhcpserver2 -p udp --dport 67 -j DROP |
| 09:49.04 | valdyn | banet: not weird, a simple sid effect of nvidia drivers not working when nvidiafb is loaded |
| 09:49.09 | valdyn | banet: not weird, a simple side effect of nvidia drivers not working when nvidiafb is loaded |
| 09:49.14 | banet | ah i see |
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| 09:49.23 | hoxu | valdyn, you could just use "*side" ;) |
| 09:49.29 | Bushmills | ehm .. |
| 09:49.29 | banet | so i didnt even need to reinstall the nvidia drivers then hoxu |
| 09:49.31 | Bushmills | OUTPUT |
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| 09:49.50 | hoxu | banet, think it already recompiled and installed it, just failed to load them? |
| 09:49.58 | banet | maybe? |
| 09:50.04 | hoxu | who cares if it works ;) |
| 09:50.23 | banet | heh |
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| 09:50.39 | wald0 | valdyn: well, theorically my data are commited to an external hard disk (that another one does backups of it), I should want to use these raid disks for "normal work", i need more speed |
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| 09:50.53 | valdyn | wald0: raid10 gives more speed |
| 09:51.03 | wald0 | valdyn: but in any case, via software i can gain 4x of speed ? (a friend says that maybe via software i don't gain really speed) |
| 09:51.08 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP#Technical_details |
| 09:51.38 | valdyn | wald0: you can never get 4x the speed, except if you do only very special work, that is streaming of 1 single stream of data |
| 09:52.21 | valdyn | wald0: so maybe you want to start from scratch and tell us your actual system usage pattern |
| 09:52.33 | valdyn | wald0: before commiting to an unsuitable solution |
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| 09:52.58 | valdyn | wald0: but in all cases forget about raid0 over 4 disks, thats sick |
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| 09:53.51 | wald0 | valdyn: my actual system usage pattern is not really an exact or specific one, i mean... it is not use in any kind of "service" (web, stream...), just for normal and own work, specially building/compiling processes |
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| 09:54.16 | valdyn | wald0: then raid10 is ok, i guess |
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| 09:54.34 | Bushmills | wald0: you may gain a lot by using xfs with a big memory write-behind cache. but better be sure your computer won't crash, or suffer from power failure. you also want enough RAM for that. |
| 09:54.37 | wald0 | i have some processes there doing compilations and builds, every one takes around 1 hour, sometimes i need more speed with that, and also more "disk free" (to not feel that LAG) |
| 09:55.06 | valdyn | wald0: compiling is hardly ever even i/o bound nowadays if your ram isnt to small |
| 09:55.11 | wald0 | Bushmills: im going to switch to JFS |
| 09:55.25 | valdyn | wald0: so you will gain absolutely nothing by raid or filesystem |
| 09:55.28 | wald0 | 4gb |
| 09:55.29 | Bushmills | wald0: i am using jfs on most of my partitions. |
| 09:55.59 | wald0 | Bushmills: i think that is hte better candidate :) |
| 09:55.59 | Bushmills | still, xfs writes should be faster. |
| 09:56.07 | wald0 | my machine is: amd64 x2 2000Mhz, 4gb RAM |
| 09:56.11 | musix | where should i go for help with musix #musix is emppty |
| 09:56.34 | wald0 | musix: maybe better forums, then |
| 09:56.56 | valdyn | musix: check their website for support |
| 09:56.59 | wald0 | musix: but first ask google, maybe there's the answer to your problem |
| 09:57.03 | valdyn | musix: we're not google |
| 09:57.09 | musix | lol |
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| 09:58.13 | wald0 | Bushmills: like i say, my preference candidate is JFS for now... do you think that is really better option XFS than JFS (much better speed?), specially random data access |
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| 09:58.16 | valdyn | wald0: a plain single disk is likely to be just about as fast as any raid for compiling |
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| 09:58.46 | Bushmills | wald0: for reading from file, it shouldn't matter much |
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| 09:59.48 | wald0 | Bushmills: what you personally recommend me to gain HD speed ? like i say, i have some building/compiling processes that i want more speed on my computer... so i would like to make a raid* system with 4 HD's sata |
| 10:00.08 | Bushmills | wald0: tweak the disks with hdparm |
| 10:00.20 | Skratz0r | IS there any hope for us with ATI Radeon graphics cards to play UrT? |
| 10:00.28 | Skratz0r | Without it failing so hard? |
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| 10:00.32 | valdyn | except that you cant really "tweak" anything with sata disks |
| 10:00.38 | valdyn | but you can messup |
| 10:00.51 | wald0 | Bushmills: actually i have only one HD in IDE (60 mb/s) that i use for this work |
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| 10:01.08 | valdyn | Skratz0r: i thought it plays urt if you use the fglrx drivers |
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| 10:01.19 | Skratz0r | fglrx? |
| 10:01.22 | WifiBrain | wald0: what would i recommend you do to gain hd speed? buy faster disks. |
| 10:01.25 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 10:01.26 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>. |
| 10:01.32 | Skratz0r | I'm looking into the subject of getting the right driver.. |
| 10:01.45 | Skratz0r | Thank you valdyn. :-) |
| 10:01.49 | Bushmills | wald0: not sure how a software solution can transform your 1 HD to 4 |
| 10:01.55 | valdyn | Skratz0r: well, its not a good driver, but probably the only one with a chance of running such games |
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| 10:02.39 | WifiBrain | Bushmills: its the same as that ram upgrade you can download off dells site :P j/k |
| 10:02.41 | wald0 | Bushmills: no... i want to buy 4 HD's sata and make a raid* system to gain speed |
| 10:02.58 | Bushmills | should you have 4 disks, use a smart partition scheme, to distribute disk seeks over all disksl |
| 10:03.11 | Bushmills | and reduce head movements |
| 10:03.26 | wald0 | WifiBrain: that's just what i have think on a first time, but i have see that making a raid system i can gain a lot more than buying faster disks (faster than 60 mb/s of my IDE ? is not a bad number) |
| 10:03.27 | banet | okay i have a question about wifi now, i have installed my drivers, and am able to see my net's ssid. i have connected to it with my WPA key. but my router doesnt seem to see me as a wireless client in its status... hwo do i test if everything is working? (besides disabling LAN and making wifi the main connection and browsing to a website) |
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| 10:03.54 | valdyn | wald0: you are STILL trying to apply solutions you dont understand to a problem you dont understand |
| 10:04.07 | Bushmills | for example, put swap on a disk with directory hierarchy which you don't access often |
| 10:04.08 | valdyn | wald0: streaming thruput is about as irrelevant to compiling as it gets |
| 10:04.25 | valdyn | wald0: those 60mb/sec mean _nothing_ to compiling |
| 10:04.47 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, i know, im just saying the speed (by hdparm) that my actual disk has |
| 10:05.11 | valdyn | wald0: you need low access times |
| 10:05.22 | wald0 | valdyn: i understand that random data accesing is a lot slower than this supposed 60mb/s |
| 10:05.25 | wald0 | yes |
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| 10:05.43 | wald0 | valdyn: so, for that, what you recommend me then ? raid10 ? (reading about it now) |
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| 10:05.52 | valdyn | wald0: no, getting a better cpu first |
| 10:05.54 | Tenkawa | need an opinion |
| 10:06.05 | valdyn | wald0: because compiling is hardly i/o bound even on your "slow" disk |
| 10:06.07 | Tenkawa | is there anything that you all can think of that would cause this scenario |
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| 10:06.28 | Tenkawa | apt-get dselect-upgrade runs and upgrades only needed upgrades in unstable |
| 10:06.39 | Tenkawa | apt-get dist-upgrade tries to install 62 new packages |
| 10:06.48 | davidisko | hi guys, i got serious problem... i got repeated error while booting "mdadm: no suitable drives found for /dev/md/0" |
| 10:06.52 | davidisko | any ideas?:( |
| 10:07.00 | Tenkawa | and I can't seem to find whats triggering it to want to install the new packages |
| 10:07.15 | davidisko | i've tried google but can't find any hint.. |
| 10:07.24 | Tenkawa | davidisko: did a drive go bad or get rebooted after a cras |
| 10:07.26 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, maybe more cpu too... but i don't want to lost very money with this upgrade, this machine is an amd64 x2 3800 (2000 Mhz), to gain just a bit more of cpu costs a lot more (and i would need to change a lot of my hardware too for just the cpu) |
| 10:07.36 | Tenkawa | sounds like the software raid config went goofy |
| 10:07.43 | davidisko | Tenkawa: i was using it few minutes ago.. then rebooted and got this |
| 10:07.54 | Eulex | wald0, do you know of the -j switch of make and do you use it? |
| 10:08.02 | Tenkawa | davidisko: your initrd image could be missing modules |
| 10:08.06 | valdyn | wald0: thats your problem, but adding disk for zero gain in compilation speed is maybe costs less money, but its still wasted money |
| 10:08.10 | Tenkawa | stock kernel or custom built? |
| 10:08.22 | Tenkawa | and any grub/lilo changes? |
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| 10:08.36 | davidisko | Tenkawa: packaged kernel, from etch |
| 10:08.36 | wald0 | Bushmills: what you mean by having 4 disks and use a small partition scheme ? do you have any link/howto ? do you are refering to a raid system or a kind of personal configuration ? |
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| 10:08.47 | wald0 | Eulex: yes |
| 10:08.50 | Tenkawa | davidisko: dang.. that is strange then |
| 10:08.59 | davidisko | Tenkawa: how could i get new kernel running? |
| 10:09.18 | valdyn | though maybe the real solution to this is much cheaper, just compiling less |
| 10:09.24 | banet | how do i test if my wireless connection is working? |
| 10:09.31 | Tenkawa | could also be that the /dev devfs isnt mounted or that udev doesnt have the devices populated |
| 10:09.31 | ay^ | ping anything |
| 10:09.40 | Tenkawa | davidisko: can you boot it to single user? |
| 10:09.47 | davidisko | Tenkawa: no.. same error |
| 10:09.59 | banet | i am connected to eth0 at the same time, pinging would be successful because of it |
| 10:10.01 | wald0 | valdyn: well, i understand that the compiling requires cpu, but i feel a slowness on the disk speed too, specially with applications lag when i run these build/compiling processes |
| 10:10.36 | valdyn | wald0: add 1 disk, compile stuff on a different disk than your programs are stored on |
| 10:10.36 | Tenkawa | davidisko: not sure.. I only use hardware raid and lvm2 |
| 10:10.42 | davidisko | Tenkawa: isn't there any live debian etch from i would chroot into system disk and recompile new kernel |
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| 10:10.55 | davidisko | Tenkawa: ? |
| 10:11.10 | Tenkawa | there should be a downloadble unstable boot cdrom image that has rescue kernel on it |
| 10:11.14 | Tenkawa | nightly build |
| 10:11.22 | Tenkawa | in theory |
| 10:11.22 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, that is a good idea, i have actually and USB disk and i feel a lot better using this kind of combination |
| 10:11.43 | valdyn | wald0: in terms of speed, that solution does alot more for you than any raid can |
| 10:12.14 | valdyn | wald0: except for a raid of flash disks naturally |
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| 10:12.32 | valdyn | wald0: but disks have their low access times that you cannot change |
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| 10:13.12 | Tenkawa | afk... recofiguring an array.. bbiaf |
| 10:13.48 | Chops` | Hi all, what is the easiest way to set a mail server that forwards *@mydomain to a specified address? I have changed by MX record from this server but I still want a failsafe in place for people using cached entries. |
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| 10:13.58 | wald0 | valdyn: well, the thing is: i would buy a new sata disk (or more than one), im asking about raid because sounds like using the disks in paralel mode can be a lot better than have separed disks with separed data |
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| 10:14.59 | wald0 | valdyn: and what is the thing that affects more to the low access times ? how i can gain with that ? |
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| 10:15.28 | Nazcafan | I installed iceweasel 3, but it has some trouble displaying my google home page |
| 10:15.51 | cahoot | Nazcafan: got sound sorted now? |
| 10:15.59 | Nazcafan | cahoot: yes |
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| 10:16.06 | Lukemob | any1 have any experience with Samba? ;) |
| 10:16.20 | Nazcafan | cahoot: I think asoundcong did not work because I used a bad syntax |
| 10:17.08 | Nazcafan | cahoot: asound-conf set-default-card Live created a very very bad .asoundrd file on my ~/ |
| 10:17.17 | valdyn | wald0: you cant with your budget, fast disks arent cheap |
| 10:17.39 | Nazcafan | cahoot: but after disabling the builtin sound card from bios, it is ok |
| 10:17.52 | Nazcafan | (and deleting the ~/.asoundrc culprit) |
| 10:18.21 | cahoot | Nazcafan: ok |
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| 10:18.52 | Nazcafan | where can I post a screenshot of iceweasel 3 rendering issues? |
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| 10:19.04 | Lukemob | imageshack.us |
| 10:19.05 | Lukemob | :) |
| 10:19.50 | Nazcafan | Lukemob: do I need to register? |
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| 10:19.56 | defrysk | no |
| 10:20.05 | Lukemob | no |
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| 10:21.14 | liable | Nazcafan: what happens for you? some sites make me get bits of the desktop and all sorts of shit in the window |
| 10:21.32 | Nazcafan | liable: exactly ! |
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| 10:22.02 | liable | i think its a script or flash or something doing it. i have only had one site do it so far |
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| 10:22.47 | Nazcafan | liable: I have this on my igoogle homepage |
| 10:23.46 | wald0 | valdyn: by fast disks you mean "special disks" (like these 10k) or just new (so, more speed) disks ? |
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| 10:24.33 | Nazcafan | here it is : |
| 10:24.35 | Nazcafan | http://brutus.free.fr/Capture.png |
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| 10:25.38 | wald0 | wow Nazcafan, that's a fun desktop, do you have problems with libpango or something ? |
| 10:25.44 | valdyn | wald0: ssd or 10k or 16k disks |
| 10:25.55 | Nazcafan | wald0: I don't think so |
| 10:26.09 | Nazcafan | I have troubles with iceweasel 3 |
| 10:26.11 | wald0 | Nazcafan: do you have your graphic card broken ? |
| 10:26.19 | wald0 | only iceweasel ? ok... well, the problem is on it |
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| 10:26.26 | wald0 | iceweasel3 is on debian right now ? |
| 10:26.29 | dutchfish | anyone can give me a light on HPET_RTC_IRQxxx since 2.6.26-rc6 (with HPET) hwclock --debug spits on me /dev/rtc not found, cat /dev/rtc the same as is cat /dev/rtc0 |
| 10:26.32 | Nazcafan | wald0: unstable |
| 10:26.35 | defrysk | wald0, its in sid |
| 10:26.43 | wald0 | valdyn: SSD disk like EeePC ? mmh... let me google a bit about them |
| 10:27.02 | defrysk | Nazcafan, you are running sid ? |
| 10:27.07 | wald0 | Nazcafan: well, seems like a problem with the rendering, maybe libpango or something |
| 10:27.09 | Nazcafan | defrysk: no, testing |
| 10:27.20 | defrysk | and got iw3 from sid ? |
| 10:27.28 | Nazcafan | defrysk: I changed my sources.list updated and installed iceweasel |
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| 10:27.33 | wald0 | Nazcafan: that's your problem maybe, you are mixing repos, so incorrect dependencies |
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| 10:27.35 | Tenkawa | well darnit this kinda sucks |
| 10:27.45 | Nazcafan | wald0: might be |
| 10:27.48 | wald0 | Nazcafan: better to switch completly to sid then |
| 10:27.58 | defrysk | Nazcafan, maybe it does not work wel running iw3 in lenny |
| 10:28.00 | Nazcafan | wald0: that is dist-upgrade? |
| 10:28.04 | wald0 | Nazcafan: for that: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:28.06 | Tenkawa | I cant get the kernel to see my raid card as a raid device.. just keeps seeing the individual drives under it |
| 10:28.09 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 10:28.09 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 10:28.23 | valdyn | Tenkawa: because its not a raid card. thats ok |
| 10:28.25 | Tenkawa | time to do some google digging |
| 10:28.36 | valdyn | Tenkawa: dont believe what some vendors tell you, "host raid" is not raid |
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| 10:28.39 | Tenkawa | valdyn: it is.. but its post even has a Linux warning |
| 10:28.43 | Tenkawa | valdyn: agreed |
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| 10:29.01 | Tenkawa | may have to go back to my other board |
| 10:29.08 | Tenkawa | it had a "decent" raid card |
| 10:29.36 | Tenkawa | but damn.. all that switching for nothing |
| 10:29.38 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 10:29.44 | maligor | cairo moving to xcb in unstable huh |
| 10:29.46 | Nazcafan | wald0: it was just to give it a try, I'll switch back to lenny for a while |
| 10:29.57 | wald0 | valdyn: then your better recommendation for me is to buy a (single) faster hard disk than build a kind of raid* or something system ? |
| 10:30.03 | valdyn | maligor: how could you tell? |
| 10:30.24 | maligor | valdyn, a daring adventure into apt-cache show libcairo2 |
| 10:30.31 | Tenkawa | I guess I could go back to 1 gig of memory for now |
| 10:30.36 | valdyn | wald0: the most cost effictive solution to improve application startup time while compiling is to do the compilation on a new disk |
| 10:30.38 | wald0 | Nazcafan: sometimes you can't, if you upgrade a package, you will have dependencies, and tomorrow broken dependencies due to these ones, the better for you (IMHO) now is to switch entirely to SID |
| 10:30.40 | Tenkawa | maligor: hey hey.. long time no talk |
| 10:30.45 | valdyn | wald0: that doesnt have to be a special disk, just some disk |
| 10:31.02 | defrysk | agrees with wald0 |
| 10:31.02 | maligor | Tenkawa, I talk all the time ;) |
| 10:31.12 | Tenkawa | maligor: still got that sense of humor I see |
| 10:31.28 | Tenkawa | still lacks one |
| 10:31.44 | rdz | hi all. i would like to write a script, that uses a command, which only root has permissions to execute. is there a way to allow a user to execute my script? |
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| 10:32.02 | Nazcafan | wald0: mhh, I just installed a bunch of packages, I'll downgrade them manually and be sure everything is fine, and iceweasel 3 should enter testing soon or late anyway, I am not willing to switch to sid, I think it is a little too much troublesome for me |
| 10:32.06 | maligor | shockingly, after xcb change in cairo, everything still works! |
| 10:32.06 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, actually i have a USB disk (where my works are), that i use for some builds/processes, and like you say, i see a lot better of performance (specially lighteness of the system) |
| 10:32.28 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, what raid card? (have hw raid running on 2.6.25-6 with no problems so far) |
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| 10:32.53 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: one on a p4m890t-m2 ecs board |
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| 10:33.02 | Tenkawa | piece of crap board |
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| 10:33.17 | valdyn | rdz: you can use sudo |
| 10:33.22 | wald0 | valdyn: but USB disk aren't the faster way... so... maybe I could buy simply a new SATA disk and use my IDE one too, one for compiling/building and the other for the system... maybe the processes on the SATA one because can be faster and the IDE for my OS/system |
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| 10:33.56 | valdyn | wald0: maybe, maybe it makes no difference.. compilation is not heavy on disks |
| 10:34.03 | rdz | valdyn, yeah i know, but is there a hack even without prompting for a password? |
| 10:34.20 | valdyn | wald0: it just makes it seek all the time, which will slow down your app startup time |
| 10:34.26 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, do you have bios version 070807? |
| 10:34.37 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: let me go boot it and check.. brb |
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| 10:34.45 | valdyn | wald0: rougly your new disk would be just as fast as the usb disk |
| 10:35.01 | wald0 | valdyn: well, i have 2 important (the more slow/big) processes, one is compiling and the other is a kind of debootstraping stuff (so, almost pure I/O work) |
| 10:35.16 | rdz | valdyn, can i turn a root-command into user command? |
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| 10:35.31 | valdyn | !suid |
| 10:35.31 | dpkg | i guess suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
| 10:35.46 | rdz | valdyn, thanks a lot |
| 10:36.14 | valdyn | rdz: just be aware of the security implications |
| 10:36.33 | valdyn | rdz: and you cannot use suid on scripts |
| 10:36.40 | valdyn | rdz: just on binary programs |
| 10:36.58 | wald0 | valdyn: hdparm -tT says 24 mb/s for the USB one... that's not really much, mmmh, you think that the "access time" is not related at all with these 24 mb/s ? (it is related with the "cached reads" result?) |
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| 10:37.18 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: go figure.. running an ancient 2006 bios |
| 10:37.20 | valdyn | wald0: hdparm does not tell you access times |
| 10:37.29 | wald0 | i know :/ |
| 10:37.30 | Tenkawa | time to create me a boot flash image |
| 10:37.32 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, http://www.computerpoweruser.com/articles/archive/c0711/01c11/BIOS.htm?guid= |
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| 10:37.35 | beardy | ANcient? |
| 10:37.40 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: thanks for the idea |
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| 10:37.48 | wald0 | there's any tool that does this kind of stadistics (access time), valdyn ? |
| 10:37.48 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, ;) |
| 10:37.50 | valdyn | wald0: http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html |
| 10:37.50 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: not thinking straight at 6:30 am yet |
| 10:37.57 | wald0 | let me see :) |
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| 10:38.31 | Tenkawa | hmmm |
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| 10:38.45 | valdyn | wald0: and that guy has some decent scsi disk: "5.95 ms random access time" |
| 10:38.53 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, 2nd, do you have maxtor drives? |
| 10:38.55 | Tenkawa | newest one I see from ecs is 5/15/2007 |
| 10:38.58 | rdz | valdyn, thanks a lot.it works. i am aware of the security implications.. but the command is used very often and only withing a scripts with save settings. it would be terrible to ask for a password each time it is called |
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| 10:39.12 | rdz | *safe |
| 10:39.37 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: good q... |
| 10:39.46 | Tenkawa | cant remember offhand |
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| 10:39.51 | Tenkawa | I know one is seagate |
| 10:40.01 | Tenkawa | not sure what other one was |
| 10:40.06 | wald0 | valdyn: thanks for the link, its pretty interesting :) let me read it and do some tests... |
| 10:40.06 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, there are alot of them between late 2006 and mid 2007 that need a firmware fix |
| 10:40.15 | Tenkawa | ngo figure |
| 10:40.17 | Tenkawa | er go |
| 10:40.30 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, they produce simular behavior, as you discribed |
| 10:41.06 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, good luck |
| 10:41.13 | Tenkawa | ahh crap |
| 10:41.17 | Tenkawa | there went my power again |
| 10:41.26 | Tenkawa | my poor ups' are gettig a workout |
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| 10:41.35 | Tenkawa | major lightning storm |
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| 10:41.42 | dutchfish | hands Tenkawa the ups lotery price |
| 10:41.55 | Tenkawa | well I have one blown ups already |
| 10:42.03 | Tenkawa | sounds horrid when it tries to powerup |
| 10:42.22 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, maybe new bat-pack? |
| 10:42.28 | Tenkawa | yeah... |
| 10:42.42 | Tenkawa | be cheaper jus to get a "decent" ups |
| 10:42.49 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, google, they are cheap nowadays |
| 10:43.01 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 10:43.04 | Tenkawa | I have a spare |
| 10:43.14 | Tenkawa | otherwise Iwouldve just got kicked off |
| 10:43.19 | Tenkawa | :) |
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| 10:43.34 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, btw if you have those drives maxtor released a firmware tool for it |
| 10:43.43 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: oh cool |
| 10:43.57 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, just triple check it before you do |
| 10:44.31 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 10:44.52 | Tenkawa | now I just gotta remember how to build a dos usb flash disk |
| 10:44.53 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 10:45.02 | Tenkawa | er bootable |
| 10:45.04 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, but the S3 fix (bios) might be my first bet |
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| 10:45.15 | Tenkawa | yeah.. going to try that first |
| 10:45.25 | Tenkawa | nothing to lose there since I have a backup board |
| 10:45.41 | Tenkawa | and this is just my hobby server anyway :) |
| 10:45.48 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, backup the orig (factory) one |
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| 10:46.27 | dutchfish | anyone can give me a light on HPET_RTC_IRQxxx since 2.6.26-rc6 (with HPET) hwclock --debug spits on me /dev/rtc not found, cat /dev/rtc the same as is cat /dev/rtc0 |
| 10:46.32 | Tenkawa | ok.. going afk to look for usb boot setup... thanks again for the help |
| 10:46.40 | djolefola | /msg debhelper dpkg |
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| 10:48.05 | wald0 | valdyn: 15 ms random access time, not looks very fast my main HD |
| 10:48.05 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know the default password for Cacti? |
| 10:49.03 | dutchfish | wald0, what kernel how did you measure it (cached non-cached?) |
| 10:49.32 | wald0 | dutchfish: kernel ? mmh, own compiled: 2.6.24.7 |
| 10:49.42 | wald0 | dutchfish: what you mean by cached ? |
| 10:49.49 | dutchfish | wald0, and you have sata, right? |
| 10:49.55 | wald0 | no, IDE |
| 10:50.04 | wald0 | 200 WD ide |
| 10:50.12 | wald0 | 200 GB, i mean, WesternDigital |
| 10:50.15 | dutchfish | wald0, 200G maxtor? |
| 10:50.20 | wald0 | nah! :) |
| 10:50.21 | dutchfish | wald0, ok |
| 10:50.26 | wald0 | i don't buy maxtor again, hehe |
| 10:50.39 | dutchfish | wald0, not to bad then for that disk |
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| 10:51.16 | dutchfish | wald0, i suppose 7k spindle speed? |
| 10:51.34 | wald0 | true, is not a bad disk :) but i want a bit of upgrade, for better speed (i dont really want more storage), with a GOOD random access time |
| 10:51.39 | wald0 | yes, 7200 |
| 10:51.56 | wald0 | let me try my USB disk speeds... :P |
| 10:52.01 | dutchfish | wald0, get yourself those checp 10k drives < 750G |
| 10:52.07 | Clown | any ideas on how to make routes and ip forwarding persistent ? |
| 10:52.09 | dutchfish | s/checp/cheap |
| 10:52.17 | maligor | SSD has pretty good random access time :P |
| 10:52.28 | Mike1 | Clown: write a script for it |
| 10:52.45 | wald0 | maligor: SSD like EeePC has ? where i can buy/see one of these disks ? |
| 10:52.45 | dutchfish | wald0, not much difference on usb, its the platterspeed not i/o |
| 10:52.57 | maligor | wald0, they sell them here just fine |
| 10:53.00 | Clown | will try before getting back here |
| 10:53.03 | wald0 | maligor: but SSD disk has a limited writting |
| 10:53.12 | maligor | so do physical disks |
| 10:53.16 | maligor | err.. I mean rotating |
| 10:53.18 | dutchfish | wald0, SSD sucks (for now) |
| 10:53.22 | wald0 | dutchfish: right, same speed for the USB disk than my IDE one |
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| 10:53.38 | maligor | biggest issue with SSD is price |
| 10:53.39 | wald0 | dutchfish: well, its true that is a new technology so... maybe wait a bit more for SSD's |
| 10:53.50 | wald0 | maligor: and size, maybe |
| 10:53.55 | Mike1 | wald0: the "old" EeePC's SSD was soldered to the board |
| 10:53.57 | dutchfish | wald0, no, its sucks while garbage collection is in effect |
| 10:53.57 | maligor | 8GB is 92 eur here |
| 10:54.05 | maligor | for SATA connectors |
| 10:54.22 | wald0 | mmh, too small for me :/ |
| 10:54.30 | maligor | with PATA it's 44eur |
| 10:54.33 | maligor | beats me why |
| 10:54.44 | dutchfish | 500G ~100 euro |
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| 10:54.52 | maligor | 16gb for 74eur |
| 10:55.15 | maligor | on pata connections, and then there's 64bit SATA for 860 eur |
| 10:55.19 | joltcan | http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ssd_write_limit interesting readup on the ssd in the eeepc |
| 10:55.19 | maligor | err.. 64GB I mean |
| 10:55.20 | wald0 | dutchfish: which one ? |
| 10:55.29 | dutchfish | wald0, google is your friend |
| 10:55.36 | wald0 | maligor: do you know the random seek speed on the SSD's ? |
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| 10:55.49 | maligor | wald0, 0ns more or less :P |
| 10:55.53 | Fawkes | Hi all |
| 10:55.53 | wald0 | dutchfish: do you recommend me any model of HD that has a good random seek data speedc ? |
| 10:55.57 | dutchfish | i am not talking of SSD |
| 10:56.05 | maligor | wald0, it really depends on controller latencies |
| 10:56.05 | wald0 | maligor: lol, ok |
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| 10:56.57 | wald0 | dutchfish: yes, of course. What is your prefered HD trademark ? WD ? |
| 10:57.04 | dutchfish | SSD will be bad choice till they have solved garbage collection being more efficient and only the really good oones have that solved (too expensive right now) |
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| 10:57.47 | maligor | wald0, at what price? |
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| 10:58.00 | wald0 | waits a bit more for the SSD's disks... that the technology' mades it better |
| 10:58.13 | dutchfish | wald0, i have no preferred one, i test them, not good i send them back (when they dont do what they promise in the specs), you know we have small lies, big lies and statistics ;) |
| 10:58.14 | wald0 | maligor: i don't know, i search a good speed HD, max. 200 ⬠aprox. |
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| 10:58.29 | maligor | you could get a WD velociraptor |
| 10:58.49 | djolefola | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 10:58.49 | wald0 | googles the WD website... |
| 10:59.13 | maligor | might go over 200eur tho |
| 11:00.07 | wald0 | wow Timing buffered disk reads: 2176 MB in 3.00 seconds = 724.80 MB/sec |
| 11:00.10 | Fawkes | Does anybody know if it's possible to compare an installed package's files against those that should be present? |
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| 11:00.41 | Mike1 | the Samsung F1-series is nearly as good as the WD velociraptor and very cheap :) |
| 11:00.53 | dutchfish | wald0, oh ... the good disks reach far beyound 2GB/sec already |
| 11:01.09 | Mike1 | and they are available in sizes up to 1TB :) |
| 11:01.21 | maligor | Mike1, are you sure? that's a 7,2k RPM drive |
| 11:01.24 | KineticBug | Reliablity? |
| 11:01.25 | wald0 | dutchfish: 2gb/s ? what kind of disks are you talking about ? |
| 11:01.25 | dutchfish | wald0, buffered that is |
| 11:01.30 | joltcan | I like the WD GP disk, GP as in green power. Lovely for home stuff |
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| 11:02.00 | dutchfish | wald0, sorry not gone name anything, i am not a salesman, just study the subject |
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| 11:02.32 | Mike1 | maligor: yes im sure^^ |
| 11:02.35 | wald0 | dutchfish: its ok, im just don't believe personally that exists disks more than fast than 100 mb/s lol |
| 11:02.46 | Mike1 | maligor: they reach speeds up to 90MB/sec :) |
| 11:03.01 | wald0 | dutchfish: you are talking about normal (good) HD's ? sata/ide ones ? or a very special and expensive hardware ? |
| 11:03.05 | dutchfish | wald0, 80 mb platterspeed is avarage |
| 11:03.05 | maligor | Mike1, yes, but he asked about seek times |
| 11:03.08 | Mike1 | maligor: the velociraptor about 100MB/sec |
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| 11:03.36 | Mike1 | maligor: okay, thats the only thing the velocripator can do better^^ |
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| 11:03.45 | maligor | yes, it seems to have half the seektimes |
| 11:03.47 | dutchfish | wald0, most SSD are slower for the money then spindles |
| 11:03.54 | wald0 | dutchfish: yes, that's a good average... how is possible then to have 2gb/s ? |
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| 11:04.11 | dutchfish | wald0, buffered up till 3GB/sec |
| 11:04.24 | wald0 | dutchfish: SSD disks ? |
| 11:04.26 | dutchfish | wald0, but thats not gone help you with large files |
| 11:04.44 | dutchfish | wald0, yes |
| 11:04.49 | wald0 | oh ok |
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| 11:05.19 | wald0 | but i think that is not a good idea to buy SSD's now... they are small and expensive right now |
| 11:05.31 | dutchfish | wald0, also SSD tends to slowly decrease speed over time |
| 11:06.16 | wald0 | maligor, you have say that a 64 GB SSD could cost around 74 ⬠? |
| 11:06.30 | maligor | no, 800 for 64 |
| 11:06.44 | wald0 | dutchfish: that not sounds good... and aparently they has a lifetime writtings |
| 11:07.05 | wald0 | maligor: 800 ⬠or 800 gb ? lol |
| 11:07.11 | maligor | euros |
| 11:07.19 | wald0 | oh ok |
| 11:07.28 | maligor | for 64gb |
| 11:07.28 | dutchfish | wald0, there is just one good argument to decide for SSD for now and thats powerconsumption the rest is blah blah |
| 11:07.32 | wald0 | mmh... i continue looking for mecanical HD's for now then :) |
| 11:07.40 | wald0 | a bit expensive for me |
| 11:08.04 | maligor | primary advantage is shockproof, operating temperature and noise |
| 11:08.17 | maligor | for a desktop system it doesn't make sense |
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| 11:08.58 | dutchfish | maligor, nonsense, you need passive cooling for that too then, shockprove ... hah .. normal spindles can surivive 6G wich yourslef cant ... |
| 11:09.18 | wald0 | yes, these are good points |
| 11:09.19 | maligor | dutchfish, if they're parked |
| 11:09.24 | dutchfish | maligor, yep |
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| 11:09.33 | maligor | solidstate can survive it operating |
| 11:09.46 | maligor | assuming the chips don't crack |
| 11:09.56 | maligor | or the display |
| 11:10.14 | dutchfish | maligor, yes so on laptops power / shockprive hold argument ... but for that you have a whole in your pocket |
| 11:10.25 | dutchfish | s/prive/prove |
| 11:10.47 | dutchfish | maligor, they have other weaknesses |
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| 11:11.28 | dutchfish | maligor, but for mobile, ok, you could consider |
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| 11:12.46 | dutchfish | maligor, but i admit this can change anytime soon, depending on the market |
| 11:12.55 | wald0 | anyways, SSD is a new techonology, it can have good improvements in the future (price, storage...) |
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| 11:13.21 | dutchfish | wald0, yup, for now i think its a nono |
| 11:13.35 | wald0 | mmmh, a normal 5000 GB sata WD is not much faster in random access time than my actual 200 IDE one..., anyways, i need to look at these "special ones" |
| 11:13.42 | wald0 | looking comments of users with speed tests |
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| 11:14.09 | dutchfish | wald0, this is all offcoarse offtopic ;) in here |
| 11:14.19 | wald0 | yes, sorry |
| 11:14.37 | dutchfish | np |
| 11:15.06 | wald0 | by other side, RAID* systems looks to have really big speed improvements, but like the before conversation says, maybe i don't gain much for building/compiling processes |
| 11:15.19 | dutchfish | wald0, raid10 |
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| 11:15.34 | Fawkes | Hmm. You know IDE hard disk designations (hda, hdb, etc), are they assigned absolutely (PM=hda, PS=hdb, SM=hdc, etc), or in order of discovery (1st = hda, 2nd = hdb, etc)? |
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| 11:15.54 | dutchfish | wald0, i myself for now invest a VLM blocks instead of SSD |
| 11:16.16 | wald0 | i have never readed about VLM, it something like raid* ? |
| 11:16.35 | wald0 | dutchfish: what about raid10 ? is a good option for speed improvements and stuff ? |
| 11:16.39 | dutchfish | wald0, very large memory blocks (aka ramdisk) |
| 11:17.21 | wald0 | dutchfish: you mean using RAM for the system or something like this ? like how livecd's works |
| 11:17.39 | dutchfish | wald0, somehting like that yes |
| 11:17.55 | wald0 | maybe could be a good idea to use my 4GB Ram to do the building processes... |
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| 11:18.14 | dutchfish | wald0, latest linux kernels do this by default more good that any custom config |
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| 11:18.40 | eshat_ | Hi all,... what do i have to install, for truetype font activation (firefox and xterm) ? |
| 11:18.43 | wald0 | dutchfish: what you mean by "custom config" ? and which number of kernel ? |
| 11:18.54 | wald0 | i have a 2.6.24.7 there |
| 11:18.56 | valdyn | eshat_: just truetype fonts |
| 11:19.03 | dutchfish | wald0, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 11:19.03 | eshat_ | valdyn: for example ? |
| 11:19.20 | valdyn | eshat_: packages that start with "ttf-" |
| 11:19.29 | eshat_ | valdyn: ahhh that's it thank you |
| 11:19.30 | dutchfish | wald0, > 2.6.24 like 2.6.25-6 & 2.6.26-rc6 |
| 11:19.42 | wald0 | dutchfish: yes, i have readed a bit about RAID (on wikipedia too), maybe i could to a look at LVM's like you say :) sounds interesting |
| 11:19.57 | wald0 | dutchfish: i can't use a simple tmpfs for that ? |
| 11:20.01 | dutchfish | wald0, it all depends on your needs |
| 11:20.03 | valdyn | wald0: lvm have nothing to do with speed |
| 11:20.14 | dutchfish | wald0, VLM |
| 11:20.16 | valdyn | wald0: actually lvm slows you down, though insignificantly |
| 11:20.53 | dutchfish | !tell wald0 about lvm2 |
| 11:21.07 | wald0 | valdyn: why ? |
| 11:21.20 | valdyn | wald0: why what? |
| 11:21.43 | wald0 | valdyn: why can slow down |
| 11:22.06 | valdyn | wald0: why do you care? i said "insignificantly" |
| 11:22.16 | dutchfish | wald0, overhead of the logical volume |
| 11:22.21 | wald0 | oh, sorry |
| 11:22.30 | valdyn | wald0: i doubt i can give you a one line answer that you would understand |
| 11:22.36 | dutchfish | wald0, with vlm i didnt meant lvm |
| 11:23.08 | wald0 | dutchfish: looking at the links... like i say before, if LVM is like a ramdisk space, i can use in the same way (and same performance), a simply tmpfs mount ? |
| 11:23.26 | wald0 | valdyn: hehe, sorry for my bad english :P |
| 11:23.27 | dutchfish | wald0, NOT lvm .... VLM! |
| 11:23.37 | wald0 | vlm |
| 11:24.02 | wald0 | dutchfish: but you give me links (dpkg) of lvm2.. is that what you are talking me about ? |
| 11:24.10 | dutchfish | wald0, to explain it, yes |
| 11:24.30 | dutchfish | wald0, no, i was talking about very large memory |
| 11:24.49 | dutchfish | wald0, not logical volume |
| 11:25.07 | eshat_ | my iceweasel still does no use truetype ??? Any Ideas ? |
| 11:25.29 | wald0 | dutchfish: what's the very large memory then ? im not sure if you are talking about the >4G kernel configuration or what exactly |
| 11:25.46 | dutchfish | wald0, it boils down to this, looking at the curent prices, i would rather spend the same amount of money in ram then in SSD, thats it. period. |
| 11:26.28 | wald0 | ok |
| 11:26.46 | wald0 | dutchfish: and what is the better way to use this RAM amount then ? a simply tmpfs mountpoint ? |
| 11:27.00 | dutchfish | wald0, for that i shout RTFM |
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| 11:27.38 | wald0 | dutchfish: well, i know how to use tmpfs, im just asking you if there's a better way than tmpfs (or any link?) |
| 11:27.39 | ma3x | what package should i install to get the hotkeys working on my laptop? |
| 11:27.55 | eshat_ | ma3x: hotkey-setup ? or laptop-detect ? |
| 11:28.07 | dutchfish | wald0, the best answer i can give atm is it depends on what you want to do with the system |
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| 11:28.27 | dutchfish | wald0, in any case more ram usually means more speed |
| 11:28.54 | ma3x | eshat: they are already installed |
| 11:29.06 | dutchfish | wald0, think of databases, large file handeling etc |
| 11:29.21 | wald0 | dutchfish: i have basically 2 imporant (slowest and daily) processes, one is compiling, but the one that i run more times is a kind of debootraping and installing packages to a dir |
| 11:30.03 | wald0 | so i think that the second one, needs basicaly a fast data (specially random) access |
| 11:30.21 | dutchfish | wald0, compiling is CPU horsepower (mainly), the bootstrapping can be network/cpu related (thinking of 4G in the system, wich is more then adequate) |
| 11:30.25 | ma3x | once i booted from ubuntu live cd and all the hotkeys were working. what package should i install in debian so that they work? i have already hotkey-setup and laptop-detect installed, hotkeys are not working though |
| 11:32.07 | dutchfish | wald0, you might want to delve into distcc and ccache |
| 11:32.43 | wald0 | distcc, sounds a good option too, since i have other (good cpu) machine near there |
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| 11:33.04 | dutchfish | wald0, then keep your wallet closed ;) |
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| 11:34.33 | dutchfish | wald0, i have 6 normal pc's in wich i compile a full blown kernel, headers, modules and related in less then 15 min |
| 11:34.48 | wald0 | what i could do for now is tests in tmpfs's mounts, and looking new HD's that can give me a bit more of speed, using at the same time with the IDE (one for buildings, other for system) |
| 11:34.55 | wald0 | wow |
| 11:35.00 | dutchfish | wald0, nothing fancy |
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| 11:35.16 | wald0 | dutchfish: i have tried to set up a distcc system a few years ago, without success... maybe its time to try again :) |
| 11:35.36 | dutchfish | wald0, again read the manuals its not that hard |
| 11:35.54 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 11:35.55 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. also the "Friendly Interactive SHell" a non-posix compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 11:36.24 | Mike1 | how can i get a prism2-wlan adapter to work? |
| 11:36.46 | Mike1 | i installed linux-wlan-ng |
| 11:37.00 | wald0 | yeah, of course, don't worry, im not this kind of users, i do RTFM sometimes too, but sometimes is needed to ask about recommendations before to know WHAT you need to read :) |
| 11:37.01 | Mike1 | but it somehow can't find the prism2_usb module |
| 11:37.16 | wald0 | Mike1: you need to compile the module, of course |
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| 11:37.30 | Mike1 | wald0: oh |
| 11:37.32 | wald0 | Mike1: linux-wlan-ng-source |
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| 11:37.49 | Mike1 | wald0: the problem is: the PC i want to use this wlan adapter has no internet connection |
| 11:38.03 | Mike1 | at the moment only a minimal debian is running on it |
| 11:38.10 | Mike1 | so i dont have anything to compile that thing |
| 11:38.14 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:38.14 | wald0 | Mike1: default debian kernel ? |
| 11:38.18 | Mike1 | yes |
| 11:38.32 | Mike1 | debian4.0rc3 netinstall |
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| 11:38.53 | Mike1 | but it couldnt install anything from the net because the wlan didnt work ;) |
| 11:38.58 | wald0 | Mike1: you can install the headers and compile the module then (transfer that from usb), OR compile it on other machine and transfer the module package to that computer |
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| 11:39.20 | gluface | Can I mount a remote website locally, so that I can browse it using standard unix commands? |
| 11:39.24 | wald0 | Mike1: a few years ago i have used a laptop without internet ocnnection... with a floppy disk and a cyber-coffe lol |
| 11:39.27 | Mike1 | i only have a 64bit debian lenny here, so i cant compile it for the 32bit on the machine with the wlan ;) |
| 11:39.34 | wald0 | worked between some years on this way |
| 11:39.37 | cal | gluface, like SSH? |
| 11:39.50 | Mike1 | wald0: i think i will try it with ndiswrapper now |
| 11:39.58 | gluface | cal no, I dont want encryption |
| 11:40.04 | cal | gluface, ok |
| 11:40.20 | cal | gluface, telnet? |
| 11:40.27 | wald0 | Mike1: you can use ndiswrapper temporally, but can give your machine very unstable, use better a real driver, prism2 has good stability |
| 11:40.36 | Mike1 | wald0: yeah :) |
| 11:40.59 | dutchfish | Nyle, howdy |
| 11:41.07 | Mike1 | i have problems getting the ndiswrapper package at the moment, because the packages.debian.org website is damn slow today -_- |
| 11:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | i cant seem to find the pam module that allows ou to run scripts as part of login. does anyone know what its called? |
| 11:41.19 | Nyle | dutchfish, hey its the fish from nederlands! |
| 11:41.21 | Nyle | whats up buddy |
| 11:41.30 | wald0 | Mike1: you can also use a debian livecd and compile the driver on it, then transfer via usb |
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| 11:41.43 | eth01 | packages.* down? |
| 11:41.46 | dutchfish | Nyle, fighting with 2.6.26-rc6 and its HPET / RTC |
| 11:41.56 | Nyle | .26!! |
| 11:42.01 | Nyle | checks sid |
| 11:42.08 | dutchfish | Nyle, banilla |
| 11:42.17 | dutchfish | s/b/v |
| 11:42.26 | Nyle | ah |
| 11:42.29 | dutchfish | :) |
| 11:42.38 | Nyle | rc2 I should've read more carefully |
| 11:42.42 | eth01 | ah, it's just very laggy. |
| 11:42.56 | gluface | cal checking out telnet now... |
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| 11:43.19 | dutchfish | Nyle, can you give me a light on HPET_RTC_IRQxxx since 2.6.26-rc6 (with HPET) hwclock --debug spits on me /dev/rtc not found, cat /dev/rtc the same as is cat /dev/rtc0 |
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| 11:43.28 | cal | gluface, telnet is a bit outdated fyi |
| 11:43.36 | Nyle | wow |
| 11:43.40 | Nyle | clock not found no idea |
| 11:43.59 | cahoot | dutchfish: mising rtc_cmos? |
| 11:44.03 | dutchfish | Nyle, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e6d2bb2bacb43ff03b0f458108d71981d58e775a |
| 11:44.17 | dutchfish | cahoot, prolly, not sure |
| 11:44.52 | dutchfish | cahoot, i did the same in 2.6.25-6 and that works |
| 11:45.17 | xand | gluface: there might be a fuse module, perhaps... but telnet won't help |
| 11:46.12 | Mike1 | wald0: do i have to compile the ndiswrapper-source to get ndiswrapper working? |
| 11:47.06 | dutchfish | brb |
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| 11:47.20 | Nyle | hey they are coming today to hook up my internet |
| 11:47.22 | wald0 | Mike1: yes, hehe |
| 11:47.25 | Nyle | I askekd for 8am to 12pm |
| 11:47.32 | Nyle | its 7:47 |
| 11:47.37 | Nyle | :( |
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| 11:47.50 | Nyle | I'll finally be on the internet then |
| 11:47.51 | Mike1 | wald0: nooo |
| 11:48.08 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 11:48.40 | Nyle | 10Mbps down is sweet and so much nicer than 768Kbps down |
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| 11:48.53 | eth01 | packages.* down? |
| 11:48.58 | eth01 | asks again |
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| 11:49.39 | Nyle | I don't understand why these new yorkers chose to pay 39.95 for 768up/128down for verizon dsl bullshit, whereas I pay 29.99 for cable internet, 10Mbps down/1.5 Mbps up... cable ftw. |
| 11:49.58 | slxx | eth01: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 11:50.12 | Nyle | (cuz i hack wep and get on free wireless when i dont' have net, and almost every neighbourhood i go to, they got like99% verizon) |
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| 11:50.16 | Nyle | morons. |
| 11:50.19 | Nyle | ohwell |
| 11:50.42 | maligor | do either of them actually give you what you buy? |
| 11:50.49 | Nyle | yessir |
| 11:50.51 | Nyle | cable does |
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| 11:51.14 | Nyle | no matter which time of day I get on, I usually always get 800-1000kb/s download, round about 8-10Mbps |
| 11:51.28 | maligor | like no quotas, no port blockers, no p2p filters and consitent speeds |
| 11:51.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ cant handle .asia domains |
| 11:51.59 | Nyle | consistent speeds yes, blocked ports (they say they close 8080, 80, 25 so that MS worms don't propagate |
| 11:52.08 | Nyle | and no quotas |
| 11:52.10 | maligor | 80, heh |
| 11:52.16 | maligor | that's annoying |
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| 11:52.22 | Nyle | maligor, not really |
| 11:52.37 | Nyle | dyndns.org open webhop and/or static ip port redirection |
| 11:53.05 | Nyle | !stoned |
| 11:53.05 | dpkg | sits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
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| 11:53.16 | Nyle | thats a dyndns to my webserver on 8181 :) |
| 11:53.23 | Nyle | not up atm, just moved in |
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| 11:53.32 | eth01 | Nyle: that's just an exuse to not let you host stuff |
| 11:53.32 | maligor | quite cheap there now tho, due to the cheap dollar |
| 11:53.39 | Nyle | eth01, I am aware |
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| 11:53.44 | maligor | 43 eur here for 8/1 ADSL |
| 11:53.48 | Nyle | eth01, I still don't care |
| 11:53.52 | eshat | hi all,... why does ICEWM not start automaticly when i starx ? |
| 11:53.57 | Nyle | eth01, out of the two evils, time warner cable is less evil |
| 11:53.58 | maligor | which is 66 usd |
| 11:54.32 | eth01 | Nyle: if you get yourself a decent speedy lil VM. you'll be happy. |
| 11:54.44 | Nyle | eth01, verizon has too many pedo dl illegal stuff and people compalin, verizon don't even forward info to authorities, so many sites a blocked |
| 11:54.47 | Nyle | and worse of all |
| 11:54.48 | ootput | hello. Is it possible to boot a certain image from grub that will kickstart the installation process? |
| 11:54.57 | Nyle | verizon dns seervers can't even resolve debian mirrors half the time |
| 11:55.02 | ootput | similar to openbsd's bsd.rd |
| 11:55.11 | Nyle | all i got is verizon and cable, and i'll get cable cuz its faster |
| 11:55.12 | eth01 | Nyle: i didn't even know that. i've only ever used comcast tbh. |
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| 11:55.36 | maligor | Nyle, I expect they use ppp too ;) |
| 11:55.41 | eth01 | but then comcast is probably just as bad :) |
| 11:55.43 | Nyle | yes they do |
| 11:55.48 | Nyle | ppp sucks |
| 11:55.54 | maligor | my adsl is just a briding setup |
| 11:55.58 | Nyle | plus I'd have to get a phone line installed in order to use dsl |
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| 11:56.02 | maligor | err.. bridgeing |
| 11:56.09 | Nyle | i have always hated dsl, since my days at louisiana state univ. |
| 11:56.18 | Nyle | bellsouth sucked, every other day downtime |
| 11:56.19 | overdose | hello guys, i have a problem while configuring my router (d-link) in debian, cannot make a connection to the internet, let me paste the configuration file .. |
| 11:56.24 | Nyle | I got cox cable instead, it was sweet |
| 11:56.43 | Nyle | overdose, your router works? you can't configure your debian? |
| 11:56.59 | Nyle | overdose, you are pasting /etc/networking/interfaces right? |
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| 11:57.07 | overdose | Nyle, yes |
| 11:57.08 | overdose | http://www.pastebin.ca/1047708 |
| 11:57.10 | eth01 | cable is the best imo |
| 11:57.16 | Nyle | eth01, I concur |
| 11:57.37 | Nyle | address 192.168.0.3 |
| 11:57.41 | Nyle | use 1 instead of 0 |
| 11:57.49 | Nyle | you're on a diff subnet other than y our gateway and network |
| 11:58.05 | Nyle | and actually why not use dhcp :) |
| 11:58.24 | eth01 | hmm? |
| 11:58.32 | Nyle | sorry overdoese look up |
| 11:58.47 | overdose | lemme try that, the 1 |
| 11:59.20 | Nyle | I think that should work |
| 11:59.28 | overdose | brb |
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| 12:00.17 | Nyle | eth01, yes I find cable to be a lot more stable and consistent |
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| 12:00.39 | dutchfish | Nyle, true, but sometimes it has higher latency |
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| 12:00.45 | overdose | well, Nyle |
| 12:00.49 | overdose | noop |
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| 12:00.57 | overdose | telenetPC:/media# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:00.57 | overdose | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 12:00.57 | overdose | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 12:00.57 | overdose | done. |
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| 12:01.04 | dutchfish | overdose, did you /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 12:01.25 | overdose | sorry |
| 12:01.46 | Nyle | plus so many people have sattelite here (I live in a nice paksitani neighbourhood) because of indian/pakistani channels available only on sattelite, no one has cablehere, plus its mostly verizon that these people have, so the node from the cable mainline isn't going to be use much |
| 12:01.53 | Nyle | I think I'll be good with cable here :) |
| 12:02.08 | Nyle | overdose, so what happened |
| 12:02.26 | overdose | eth0 Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 12:02.28 | Nyle | you know why it fails to bring up eth0 |
| 12:02.34 | overdose | i don't :/ |
| 12:02.38 | Nyle | it is said you don't have an auto eth0 |
| 12:02.47 | Nyle | so networking won't bring it up |
| 12:02.58 | Nyle | (though in my sid box it doesnt regardless) |
| 12:03.01 | Nyle | bug? I don't know |
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| 12:03.07 | Nyle | anyway, use ifup eth0 |
| 12:03.08 | overdose | i have auto eth0 in conf file |
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| 12:03.18 | Nyle | ahh at the bottom |
| 12:03.21 | overdose | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 12:03.23 | Nyle | well still then thats a bug |
| 12:03.26 | Nyle | it happens to me too |
| 12:03.33 | Nyle | I think I sould file it fuck it |
| 12:03.42 | overdose | ? |
| 12:03.44 | Nyle | i tested on 2 sid boxes and still it doesn't get brought up |
| 12:03.45 | Nyle | anyway |
| 12:03.58 | Nyle | sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0; |
| 12:04.04 | Quibus | Hi, how can it be that 'update-manager' finds 4 updates, while aptitude finds 0? |
| 12:04.13 | Nyle | Quibus, go to #ubuntu |
| 12:04.19 | eth01 | :) |
| 12:04.19 | stew | overdose: you are specifying a network address and gateway which are both not in your subnet |
| 12:04.21 | Quibus | Nyle: why? I'm running Debian |
| 12:04.35 | Nyle | stew, I told him that already |
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| 12:04.45 | overdose | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 12:04.51 | Nyle | stew, he complains of the same problem I do |
| 12:05.00 | stew | overdose: have you changed your interfaces since http://www.pastebin.ca/1047708 ? |
| 12:05.03 | Nyle | stew, /etc/init.d/networking restart does NOT bring up the iface |
| 12:05.14 | overdose | no stew |
| 12:05.27 | Nyle | overdose, why not? |
| 12:05.29 | stew | overdose: you can't have a network address which is not on your subnet |
| 12:05.30 | overdose | but i use eth1 |
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| 12:05.37 | l403_ | hi. it may sound stupid, but if i apt-get a package such as libhttp-server-simple-perl, where the hell does it go? how am i supposed to run it if I dont know the installed name of it? |
| 12:05.44 | Quibus | It's "not done" to run update-manager in Debian, while it's a normal package? :P |
| 12:05.47 | eth01 | eth01 is better |
| 12:05.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 12:05.54 | overdose | ah, i changed it after the pastebin yes |
| 12:06.05 | stew | Nyle: show me the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and theoutput of /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:06.08 | dbmoodb | hi ah i addicently deleted /var/www and the www-data user and /etc/apache2 dir ..and i can't get them back... apt-get --purge and resinstalling isn't working any ideas ? |
| 12:06.12 | l403_ | and pls, dont laugh :) |
| 12:06.18 | Nyle | stew, sec |
| 12:06.34 | stew | l403_: "dpkg -L packagename" will show you what files it installed. the documentation is in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 12:06.57 | eth01 | as packages.* is down. what's the latest apache package? |
| 12:07.12 | overdose | ahh |
| 12:07.15 | overdose | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.18 | stew | eth01: apt-cache policy apache apache2 |
| 12:07.35 | dbmoodb | stew ? |
| 12:07.45 | l403_ | stew:thanx. I'll see the docs |
| 12:07.45 | overdose | my router's ip is 192.168.0.1 and NOT 192.168.1.0 |
| 12:08.09 | stew | dbmoodb: many (most? all?) of the config files for apache2 are owned by the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
| 12:08.13 | overdose | brb |
| 12:08.26 | dbmoodb | OH thank you stew |
| 12:08.42 | dbmoodb | yeah that should it it nicely |
| 12:09.21 | eth01 | ta stew ;) |
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| 12:09.31 | stew | "gluck, merkel, samosa and raff uncontactable (192.25.206.* network problem?)" |
| 12:09.39 | Nyle | stew, |
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| 12:09.44 | Nyle | stew, http://paste.debian.net/6444/ |
| 12:10.18 | Nyle | as you can see, it never brings it up |
| 12:10.29 | Nyle | despite auto eth0 as suggested by someone |
| 12:10.39 | Nyle | this is on latest sid updated last night. |
| 12:10.57 | Nyle | (2nd sid box same behaviour. It seems to work on my etch server though) |
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| 12:12.03 | stew | Nyle: why do you have "allow-hotplug"? what about "There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 22479" what started that process? can you kill it and try again? |
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| 12:13.12 | Nyle | stew, why? I don't know, as debian. I am not sure about the pid, but I'll try it. I believe it may have been the previous dhcp request from previously before I had tried to use init.d |
| 12:13.12 | overdose | no luck |
| 12:13.26 | Nyle | stew, debconf generated I think |
| 12:13.36 | Nyle | I didn't add/remove anything from tnis file |
| 12:13.51 | overdose | http://www.pastebin.ca/1047712 |
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| 12:14.07 | overdose | it's getting on my nerves |
| 12:14.31 | stew | overdose: you should not be specifying a network address. |
| 12:14.48 | Nyle | stew, however, dhclient shouldn't affect the bringing UP of the iface, dhclient kicks in after that |
| 12:14.51 | stew | overdose: the one you are specifying now is wrong. if you don't specify one at all, the correct default will be used instead |
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| 12:15.31 | overdose | hmm |
| 12:15.32 | overdose | ok |
| 12:15.44 | overdose | brb |
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| 12:16.26 | Nyle | you think maybe the networking script has a problem? |
| 12:16.45 | Nyle | (I have tried to kill the pid (not existent) and I've removed the pid file) |
| 12:16.49 | Nyle | what next stew ? |
| 12:16.59 | Nyle | you want me to restart networking? |
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| 12:17.23 | overdose | nope |
| 12:18.04 | Nyle | overdose, so... |
| 12:18.09 | Nyle | what is your gateway address? |
| 12:18.15 | Nyle | what is the router of your ip? |
| 12:18.19 | Nyle | fuck ip of your router. |
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| 12:18.46 | overdose | 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:18.58 | Nyle | ok seem to be on the right network |
| 12:19.29 | Nyle | can you ping your router? |
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| 12:20.08 | wigb | hello |
| 12:20.11 | overdose | lemme try that |
| 12:20.11 | Nyle | overdose, I would set it up as DHCP for now and then after it gets an ip, I'd do sudo ifconfig and find out whats up, and then make it static later after you see how its been configured by dhcp |
| 12:20.16 | wigb | how can i list all packages within one line? |
| 12:20.18 | Nyle | then you'll have the right config ifo |
| 12:20.19 | Nyle | info |
| 12:20.22 | wigb | only showing the packages |
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| 12:20.26 | wigb | and stripping all other info |
| 12:20.26 | overdose | Nyle, i can set that in the same conf file? |
| 12:20.32 | wigb | from the output of dpkg -l |
| 12:20.33 | Nyle | yes |
| 12:20.42 | overdose | like eth1 dhcp? |
| 12:20.48 | Nyle | hang on |
| 12:21.04 | overdose | or eth0 |
| 12:21.43 | Nyle | http://www.pastebin.ca/1047717 |
| 12:21.50 | dutchfish | Nyle, overdose maybe z25 aplies here |
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| 12:22.38 | Nyle | or you can leave it at dhcp on your pc |
| 12:22.59 | Nyle | go into your router, put in the mac address of your pc's nic, and tell it to always assign a certain ip to this MAC |
| 12:23.12 | Nyle | static dhcp |
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| 12:23.54 | overdose | that's the problem, i cannot go into my router |
| 12:24.04 | Nyle | stew, I did it, but still no luck |
| 12:24.04 | overdose | anyway, i changed the file |
| 12:24.09 | overdose | brb |
| 12:24.32 | Nyle | hopefully his dhcp server is runing on the router... |
| 12:24.47 | wald0 | dutchfish: valdyn: maybe my question is stupid but... i have see the specs of a velociraptor disk, it looks good but its a bit expensive... my question is if i can get a similar performance with 2 cheap ones in raid10 mode than this one |
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| 12:25.28 | Nyle | dutchfish, whats that sir? |
| 12:25.37 | dutchfish | !z25 |
| 12:25.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 12:26.03 | wald0 | at least in "random data seek", this disk seems to have 8.6 ms, the double fast than my actual hd |
| 12:26.11 | dutchfish | wald0, depends if you want reduncy from raid |
| 12:26.18 | Nyle | dutchfish, no shit huh |
| 12:26.21 | Nyle | word |
| 12:26.31 | eth01 | Nyle: not all routers support that kinda thing. |
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| 12:26.35 | dutchfish | s/reduncy/redundecy |
| 12:26.39 | eth01 | just make it static and not dhcp. |
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| 12:26.53 | Nyle | well for now I suggested he use dhcp |
| 12:27.04 | eth01 | unless you use dhcp static but that's too complicated |
| 12:27.21 | Nyle | then if he is connected, ifconfig should tell him what he should use in interfaces for a static ip |
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| 12:27.39 | wigb | how do i grep out the 'packagenames' of dpkg -l ? |
| 12:27.42 | Nyle | because right now he can't get his networking settings right |
| 12:28.04 | wald0 | dutchfish: sorry for my ignorance, what is redundency ?, that "backup" feature about if it fails ? |
| 12:28.04 | overdose | very odd |
| 12:28.08 | dutchfish | wald0, raid10 needs at least 4 disks |
| 12:28.09 | wald0 | or mirror thing* |
| 12:28.11 | Nyle | overdose, its good? |
| 12:28.14 | overdose | no |
| 12:28.16 | Nyle | hah |
| 12:28.21 | Nyle | overdose, check cable. |
| 12:28.33 | overdose | DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 |
| 12:28.33 | overdose | DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:28.39 | overdose | he's finding an address |
| 12:28.44 | dutchfish | wald0, so if any disk dies you still have a working (degraded) set |
| 12:28.48 | overdose | but why he's using eth1? |
| 12:28.51 | Nyle | so its eth1 |
| 12:28.52 | overdose | and not eth0? |
| 12:29.02 | Nyle | maybe because of what dutchfish said about z25 |
| 12:29.05 | wald0 | dutchfish: then 4 disk are the same expensiveness than this "fast disk", mmh... its not supposed to be 4 disks in raid10 more fast (also random data seek) than this ? |
| 12:29.19 | overdose | i do not know about z25 |
| 12:29.25 | Nyle | !z25 |
| 12:29.25 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 12:29.32 | dutchfish | wald0, but 4 disks are faster (~2x) then a single an have redundacy |
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| 12:29.47 | Nyle | overdose, try eth1 in your interfaces file instead of eth0 and use the static config |
| 12:29.50 | Nyle | overdose, see if tht works |
| 12:29.53 | eton | i ran a command "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" then it stuck at "Setting Up flashplugin-nonfree (1:1.5)". Anyone could help me? |
| 12:29.55 | Nyle | just change eth0 to eth1 |
| 12:30.02 | overdose | ok |
| 12:30.10 | dutchfish | wald0, or raid1 (4disks) are ~3.x times faster) |
| 12:30.39 | Nyle | though you have allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 12:30.48 | Nyle | thats a line generated by debian config |
| 12:30.52 | dutchfish | wald0, but i gues the price of a hardware raid card will match the expensive disk |
| 12:31.00 | Nyle | after it finds out which eth devices you have |
| 12:31.03 | overdose | can i remove ahto0, Nyle ? |
| 12:31.11 | dutchfish | wald0, software raid, i would say no |
| 12:31.13 | overdose | *auto eth0 |
| 12:31.15 | Nyle | so your system configurd it for eth1 while you were trying to use eth0 in yoru file |
| 12:31.23 | Nyle | overdose, leave it |
| 12:31.26 | Nyle | change it to auto eth1 |
| 12:31.29 | overdose | ok |
| 12:31.44 | stew | wigb: what information are you actually after? |
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| 12:32.11 | wald0 | dutchfish: im looking the specs of a normal 500 gb one... it says that has 972 mb/s (buffer to disk), that is really possible ? sounds exagerated to me... that is the hdparm -tT result, right ? |
| 12:32.22 | Nyle | eth0 is probably there too bu unused, maybe two nic i dunno, try what i said and maybe that will work |
| 12:32.28 | dutchfish | wald0, no, that is about right |
| 12:32.34 | wald0 | dutchfish: yes, i want a sofware raid (too much expensive via hardware) |
| 12:32.41 | dutchfish | wald0, dont |
| 12:32.46 | Nyle | stew, I did as you suggested and I had no luck |
| 12:32.51 | wigb | stew, im trying to output all the packages in this format: package1 package2 package3 ......... (from the output of dpkg -l) |
| 12:32.55 | Nyle | any other thoughts? |
| 12:32.55 | dutchfish | wald0, then choose the 1 expensive disk |
| 12:33.15 | wigb | stew, without description and ii (status)... |
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| 12:33.30 | dutchfish | wald0, software raid is a airplain with a 2 cylinder motor |
| 12:33.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 12:33.38 | wald0 | haha |
| 12:34.09 | dutchfish | wald0, it just makes alot of sound but fials often |
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| 12:34.15 | stew | wigb: dpkg -l | awk 'BEGIN{ORS=" "}{print $2}' ; realize that this list will probably contain package names which you don't actually have installed, which may or may not be what you want |
| 12:34.17 | wald0 | dutchfish: maybe ill just buy the 500 gb one (a lot cheaper), if has really 972 mb/s linear data access... can be very good too! |
| 12:34.22 | Titan | I installed pure-ftpd-mysql and it won't start |
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| 12:34.28 | dutchfish | wald0, yup |
| 12:34.36 | Titan | I start it as a daemon but it doesn't come up on ps x |
| 12:34.44 | wald0 | dutchfish: thanks for all the convo and recomendations :) |
| 12:34.48 | Nyle | Titan, as user? |
| 12:34.51 | Titan | as root |
| 12:34.52 | dutchfish | wald0, yw |
| 12:35.38 | Titan | do you know why pureftpd won't start? I tried using the non-mysql version |
| 12:35.47 | Titan | configured everythig corretctly, and it just won't start |
| 12:35.55 | Titan | used inetd/stanalone versions too |
| 12:35.58 | Nyle | what does it say? |
| 12:36.02 | Titan | nothing at all |
| 12:36.04 | Nyle | any errors? |
| 12:36.12 | Nyle | use netstat |
| 12:36.12 | Titan | no sec ill pastebin you |
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| 12:36.37 | stew | wigb: oh, and it would contain junk from the first line of output of 'dpkg -l'. this is probably better done using grep-status |
| 12:37.00 | Titan | nyle http://pastebin.com/d2595571e |
| 12:37.02 | Nyle | you see anything in pureftpd log files? you try netcat localhost 21 and do you get? |
| 12:37.23 | Titan | no pureftpd there |
| 12:37.32 | wigb | stew, i think it's okay!! thanks |
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| 12:37.46 | overdose | fuck |
| 12:37.58 | overdose | lemme paste the conf and ifconfig |
| 12:38.18 | Nyle | overdose, heh... |
| 12:38.33 | Titan | anyone have ideas why pureftpd won't start? |
| 12:38.56 | Titan | remote ssh/mysql works so it can't be firewall issue |
| 12:39.08 | overdose | brb |
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| 12:41.05 | Nyle | honey bunches of oats or coco puffs... I can't decide. |
| 12:41.10 | Nyle | la de da |
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| 12:43.09 | Titan | !lenny |
| 12:43.09 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
| 12:43.12 | Titan | lols |
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| 12:43.39 | Nyle | !debian |
| 12:43.39 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:43.57 | wald0 | dutchfish: im looking the specs of my motherboard... it says sata 1.5 and sata raid (?), that means that these new HD's (sata2) doesn't works on his best performance with this motherboard ? |
| 12:44.05 | overdose | http://www.pastebin.ca/1047730 |
| 12:44.09 | Nyle | wald0, they do |
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| 12:44.24 | Nyle | wald0, they will drop to sata 1.5 (all sata 2 is backwards compat) |
| 12:44.27 | wald0 | sata 1.5 GB/s, says |
| 12:44.51 | dutchfish | wald0, it is prolly sw-raid (not full blown) |
| 12:45.01 | wald0 | Nyle: im looking for a hard disk that says "sata-300" |
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| 12:45.20 | Nyle | it doesn't matter if you get sata 1 driver or sata 2 |
| 12:45.21 | ix | Is there any way to prevent dpkg --configure from starting an installed program? It tries to run the init script but it fails because it's not run in a conventional setup. |
| 12:45.24 | dutchfish | wald0, yes |
| 12:45.30 | ix | I just want it to install the package. |
| 12:45.31 | Nyle | you not goin faster than 150 |
| 12:45.46 | getxsick | yo, how can i download sources via aptitude? can't find the option in manual |
| 12:45.55 | abrotman | aptitude can't do it .. use apt-get |
| 12:46.09 | getxsick | oh |
| 12:46.11 | stew | ix: you could edit the init script and put 'exit 0' near the top |
| 12:46.27 | getxsick | i read a lot how apt-get is deprecated ;) |
| 12:46.38 | Nyle | its not deprecated. |
| 12:46.49 | overdose | guess no one have other idea's to fix my problem? |
| 12:46.58 | wald0 | ok :) |
| 12:47.06 | stew | overdose: the one you are specifying now is wrong. if you don't specify one at all, the correct default will be used instead |
| 12:47.14 | stew | overdose: err |
| 12:47.21 | stew | overdose: you should not be specifying a network address ^^ |
| 12:47.43 | Nyle | overdose, what happened with dhcp, it was trying to get an ip, did it get one/ |
| 12:47.44 | Nyle | ? |
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| 12:47.57 | overdose | yes |
| 12:48.08 | overdose | but no internet |
| 12:48.14 | ma3x | any idea why my laptop hotkeys don't work in debian? they work in ubuntu. |
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| 12:48.20 | Nyle | thats a router problem |
| 12:48.28 | overdose | yesterday it worked great |
| 12:48.37 | Nyle | or it could be nameserver |
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| 12:49.01 | overdose | i got nameservers from pandora.be |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | ma3x: need more info like at least your laptop model . .and wtf you mean by "hot keys" |
| 12:49.15 | Nyle | you hadn't specified one but your'e using dhcp so you should be good, router should have a dns, use dhcp and get an ip, then go to /etc/resolv.conf and use your router ip |
| 12:49.23 | stew | its not a router problem, or a nameserver problem. right now the only ip address he has is a zeroconf address |
| 12:49.28 | overdose | ok |
| 12:49.40 | ma3x | abrotman: fujitsu siemens esprimov v5505, by hotkeys i mean the key combinations for sleep, volume up/down, brighness....... |
| 12:49.42 | Nyle | stew, I thought he said he had success with using dhcp? |
| 12:49.49 | stew | Nyle: he didn't |
| 12:49.53 | stew | have success |
| 12:50.31 | Nyle | he got an ip with dhcp.. which means he could communicate with the router, all he needs to do now is to coinfigure therouter to get internet from cable/dsl or whatever |
| 12:50.34 | Nyle | no? |
| 12:50.41 | stew | Nyle: he didn't get an ip with dhcp |
| 12:50.46 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:51.45 | abrotman | ma3x: there are packages like lineakd .. that might not do exactly what you want .. but it should get you started looking in the right area |
| 12:52.01 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.04 | Nyle | 08:47 < Nyle> ? |
| 12:52.07 | Nyle | 08:47 < overdose> yes |
| 12:52.19 | Nyle | overdose, whats going on man, make up your mind. |
| 12:52.27 | Nyle | does it get an ip or not |
| 12:52.28 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:52.41 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.10 | Nyle | oh he went back to static then |
| 12:53.59 | dutchfish | sighs ... mmmpf avahi is still 32 bits |
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| 12:55.16 | Nyle | yaaaawwwns |
| 12:55.23 | ma3x | abrotman: how do i know what keyboard do i have? |
| 12:55.38 | abrotman | how would i know what keyboard you have? |
| 12:56.04 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 12:56.26 | dutchfish | anyone (forgive me this time) has seen klogd shutting down to early in latest lenny, resulting in gpfs because log writing is down to soon? |
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| 12:56.56 | ma3x | abrotman: well how do i check? |
| 12:56.58 | overdose_ | nope |
| 12:57.00 | overdose_ | :/ |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | look? |
| 12:57.08 | ma3x | this lineakd probably won't support this keyboard |
| 12:57.13 | ma3x | it doesn't have my laptop's model lsited |
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| 12:57.59 | abrotman | ma3x: you could boot ubuntu and see what it is using to do it .. then try to do the same on debian |
| 12:58.42 | ma3x | abrotman: how can i see what's using it? |
| 12:58.42 | dutchfish | or is sysklogd preferred? |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | look and see what is installed and/or running .. or ask #ubuntu |
| 12:58.42 | wald0 | dutchfish: Nyle: i don't understand something: in the "enterprises disks" section there's 80-90 mb/s (fixed) speed, and in the "personal" section says 972 mb/s (max, from buffer to disk), that doesn't has sense ? |
| 12:58.53 | dutchfish | wald0, cached versus non-cached |
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| 12:59.23 | ma3x | abrotman: is there a way to launch a daemon that listens on the keys and tell me what program is using it? i askedalready in ubuntu, thye dont knwo |
| 12:59.31 | wald0 | mmh, then the entrerprises ones should be better in any case about speed |
| 12:59.32 | dutchfish | wald0, no spindle exceeds 90mb/sec non-cached |
| 12:59.49 | wols_ | !tell ma3x they don't know |
| 12:59.58 | ma3x | it ain't telling me nothing ;p |
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| 13:00.10 | abrotman | ma3x: not that i know of |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | wols_: "about" ? |
| 13:00.26 | wols_ | dutchfish: 15k rpm disks do |
| 13:00.33 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
| 13:00.36 | wols_ | abrotman: gimme a break! I just got up! |
| 13:00.48 | dutchfish | wols_, 10k spindles |
| 13:00.48 | ma3x | wols_: it's 3 pm |
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| 13:01.01 | wols_ | ma3x: 7200rpm ones already hit 90MB/s |
| 13:01.09 | wols_ | erm, dutchfish^^ |
| 13:01.20 | slxx | ma3x: 3pm what day? |
| 13:01.36 | wols_ | slxx: caturday |
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| 13:06.48 | wols_ | muses "why is etchnhalf not called etchnninetenths?" |
| 13:06.53 | wols_ | much more sensible name |
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| 13:08.45 | lydgate | if i have mutt and fdm outputting what i assume to be regular gzip files, will rezipping them using gzip --rsyncable help rsync speeds assuming I do it every time before I rsync? |
| 13:10.19 | wald0 | dutchfish: Nyle: its really fun to see the specs of my actual 200 GB IDE disk and a new brand sata 750 gb of the same trademark... apart of the linear speed that is a bit more, the rest of the speed (latency and seek's time), are ALMOST the same! |
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| 13:12.26 | dutchfish | wald0, of coarse |
| 13:12.36 | abrotman | course |
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| 13:12.39 | abrotman | hides from dutchfish |
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| 13:13.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you, my english is not that great |
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| 13:13.40 | wald0 | dutchfish: well, finally my conclusion is that if i really want speed improvement, better to buy the expensive model or i could not notice anything, and stop to think about crazy raid* ideas lol |
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| 13:13.57 | abrotman | dutchfish: better than mine :) |
| 13:14.31 | dutchfish | wald0, smaller disks, higher spindle speed, larges caches improves speed |
| 13:14.46 | wald0 | talking about new hd, of course... not about tmpfs's things and stuff |
| 13:14.53 | wols_ | wald0: and highre platter data density especially |
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| 13:15.17 | wols_ | dutchfish: smaller disks inproves latency mainly |
| 13:15.20 | Quibus | It seems the disk performance in my PC dropped dramatically since a few months ago. Are there known performance drops for this VIA VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C controller since kernel 2.6.24 or so? |
| 13:15.29 | dutchfish | wols_, but that burn a whole in your pocket ;) |
| 13:15.35 | wols_ | dutchfish: no |
| 13:15.55 | dutchfish | wols_, i meant data density |
| 13:15.57 | wald0 | what is the latency exactly ? i see "average latency: 5.5 ms (nominal)", smaller number = more fast ? |
| 13:15.59 | wols_ | dutchfish: newest samunsgs have 330MB per platter. and their prices are pretty good |
| 13:16.04 | wols_ | dutchfish: I meant too |
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| 13:16.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: you just have to buy newest |
| 13:16.28 | wols_ | wald0: ping time so to speak. yes the lower the better |
| 13:16.31 | dutchfish | wols_, yes, i was more thinking about > 700 GB |
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| 13:16.45 | wols_ | dutchfish: 75EUR (for a sasung F1) |
| 13:16.50 | wols_ | 750GB |
| 13:17.04 | dutchfish | wols_, nice |
| 13:17.12 | vchrizz | 120eur for 1000gb |
| 13:17.14 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 13:17.22 | wols_ | vchrizz: or that for the TB model |
| 13:17.24 | dutchfish | wow they really coming down fast |
| 13:17.38 | wald0 | then is strange that the "velociraptor" model that is more fast in all the rest of specs, are 1 ms more slow than the normal (enterprise) one model |
| 13:17.38 | nAgoHaK | whe is the kernel linux-image-2.6.24-1-668 compiled with gcc 4.1, but the currrent version of gcc is 4.2. so the problem is I can't compile nvidia kernel module, because the kernel will not use the module compile by a different version of gcc. |
| 13:17.59 | vchrizz | http://geizhals.at/?cat=hde7s&sort=r |
| 13:18.07 | wols_ | velociraptor are orvrepriced. but enterprise disks are SCSI,SAS or FC |
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| 13:18.25 | wols_ | nAgoHaK: install the proper gcc then |
| 13:18.29 | vchrizz | TrekStor SATA-Storage 3.5" 1000GB (88170R) EUR 120,18 ( 0,120/GB) |
| 13:18.32 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 13:18.32 | nAgoHaK | wols_: how ? |
| 13:18.56 | wols_ | nAgoHaK: like you install all other packages. but: why doN't you use m-a? |
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| 13:19.00 | wald0 | wols_: yes, its a bit expensive, but i think that if i really want speed (i/o) performance in the disk, i would buy this one or i shouldn't notice difference with my IDE one |
| 13:19.02 | do_guh_new | nAgoHaK: or if you have 2 different versions installed (quite possible) link to the right one |
| 13:19.34 | wols_ | wald0: a bit OT |
| 13:19.38 | dutchfish | nAgoHaK, 4.1 is still in lenny |
| 13:19.42 | lydgate | where's the best place to put your ssh-agent if you're not using X? |
| 13:19.54 | wald0 | wols_: well, yes, i have started asking about raid* performance :) |
| 13:20.04 | vchrizz | how do i disable samba to listen on 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 13:20.07 | wald0 | but not sounds a good option |
| 13:20.14 | wols_ | vchrizz: edit smb.conf |
| 13:20.42 | vchrizz | wols_: my smb.conf: interfaces = 127.0.0.1/8 10.0.0.1/8 |
| 13:20.49 | vchrizz | (bind interfaces only = true) |
| 13:20.59 | wols_ | I use "yes" there |
| 13:21.16 | vchrizz | smbd runs on localhost and my local net... np but nmbd runs on 0.0.0.0 |
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| 13:21.20 | wols_ | and 127.0.0.1 is not really an interface, is it? |
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| 13:21.40 | wald0 | wols_: so the F1 is a better option about fastness ? (speciall random data seek) |
| 13:21.49 | rilof | after each linux-image upgrade I have to edit the grub's menu.lst file to re-add my custom kernel parameters because I didn't pass them during the system installation. Is there any way to fix this the sys install? thx |
| 13:22.18 | wols_ | !tell wald0 about OT |
| 13:22.23 | wols_ | wald0: ##hardware |
| 13:22.23 | wald0 | ok |
| 13:22.27 | wald0 | ah |
| 13:22.42 | wols_ | rilof: yes. edit your menu.lst's settings |
| 13:22.55 | vchrizz | wols_: i just set interfaces = lo eth0 but nmbd still runs on 0.0.0.0 ... |
| 13:23.02 | wols_ | rilof: the kopt line |
| 13:23.15 | wols_ | vchrizz: #samba then I guess |
| 13:23.37 | vchrizz | kk thx |
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| 13:25.26 | disposable | how do i back up an NTFS partition? the partition is 160GB but with only 20GB of data. and i don't have 160GB for full 'dd' image. (need a backup before wiping out vista from my new thinkpad) |
| 13:25.31 | Sylvain | Hello, I installed nvidia kernel module as explained in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, modprobe nvidia works, but then X says it can't find module nvidia. Any idea? |
| 13:25.33 | dutchfish | vchrizz, nmbd always binds to 0.0.0.0 |
| 13:25.42 | rilof | wols_: aha... I see, now I have to try it, thx |
| 13:26.11 | vchrizz | dutchfish: what for? why? |
| 13:26.22 | wols_ | disposable: mount it and copy everything oever. you will lose ACLs of course |
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| 13:26.47 | wols_ | Sylvain: pastebin your Xorg.0.log and lsmod output |
| 13:26.56 | dutchfish | vchrizz, http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2001-August/000412.html |
| 13:26.57 | vchrizz | i dont think it makes sense to listen on other interfaces where no samba related traffic is...? |
| 13:26.58 | wols_ | Sylvain: and dpkg -l|grep nvidia too |
| 13:26.59 | rilof | wols_: is the kopt line kept after kernel upgrades? |
| 13:27.17 | wols_ | rilof: read what's written there |
| 13:27.24 | wols_ | rilof: all of it |
| 13:27.36 | disposable | wols_: i've googled and this approach will make vista unbootable. i need to be able to restore it if i ever try to sell the laptop. partimage also seems like a risky business. |
| 13:28.09 | wols_ | disposable: use compression then |
| 13:28.29 | wols_ | disposable:lenova also ships recovery DVDs |
| 13:28.36 | wols_ | *lenovo |
| 13:29.52 | vchrizz | dutchfish: well, what do you want to tell me with that link? another person who has a similar problem like me... |
| 13:30.55 | disposable | wols_: do they restore both the thinkpad weird partition AND the ntfs with vista? if yes, i won't bother with a backup and just overwrite everything with Debian. but i need to be sure. |
| 13:31.30 | dutchfish | vchrizz, hint: bind interfaces only = yes |
| 13:31.44 | Sylvain | wols_: http://sd-13641.dedibox.fr/~sylvain/lsmod.log http://sd-13641.dedibox.fr/~sylvain/Xorg.0.log http://sd-13641.dedibox.fr/~sylvain/dpkg.log |
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| 13:32.27 | vchrizz | dutchfish: i told already that i done so before ;) -> [15:20:53] vchrizz: (bind interfaces only = true) |
| 13:32.50 | wols_ | Sylvain: rc nvidia-glx 169.12-4 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 13:32.55 | dutchfish | vchrizz, not 'true' but 'yes' |
| 13:32.57 | wols_ | Sylvain: no nvidia-glx is installed |
| 13:33.21 | wols_ | dutchfish: I have that, still nmbd listens at 0.0.0.0 |
| 13:33.45 | Sylvain | wols_: I am using lenny and no package seems to exists for nvidia-glx |
| 13:33.51 | dutchfish | bind interfaces only = yes say that samba will only bind to the default ip of an interface. |
| 13:34.15 | wols_ | Sylvain: you did a simple sid backport. now you have nvidia-glx. and the rc even means there once was nvidia-glx installed but you removed it |
| 13:34.26 | wols_ | dutchfish: they lie. nmbd still binds to all |
| 13:34.48 | vchrizz | dutchfish: as i noticed it can be 'true' or 'yes' both seem to work .. |
| 13:34.51 | dutchfish | wols_, ok, wasnt aware of that |
| 13:35.18 | Sylvain | wols_: I have no idea of how I installed it once... How can I reinstall it? |
| 13:35.30 | vchrizz | but well, still nmbd listens on 0.0.0.0 which would be my ppp0 too... so i have to use iptables to "close" the nmbd ports ... |
| 13:35.35 | buntfalke | How do I get support for .nef raw image files in gwenview? |
| 13:35.38 | wols_ | Sylvain: in the same dir where your kernel module deb is there is the glx deb |
| 13:35.51 | wols_ | !nef |
| 13:36.47 | wols_ | buntfalke: http://www.google.de/search?aq=f&hl=de&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=8LB&q=linux+nikon+raw+image+nef&btnG=Suche&meta= |
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| 13:37.12 | dutchfish | vchrizz, mmm.. did you try: socket address = 111.222.333.444 |
| 13:39.08 | snikker | KAudioCreator don't write correctly id3 tag with accented chars, but write correctly in filename. how can i fix this? |
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| 13:39.14 | Sylvain | wols_: how do I get update for this deb? Are they included in the apt-get update? |
| 13:39.33 | wols_ | Sylvain: no. how did you build your kernel module? |
| 13:39.51 | dutchfish | vchrizz, and interfaces = 111.222.333.444/255.255.255.0 |
| 13:40.15 | Sylvain | wols_: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, section Use module-assistant (lenny) (with the wget) |
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| 13:41.08 | wols_ | Sylvain: wget -c http://ftp.<country_code>.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_<version>_<arch>.deb |
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| 13:41.18 | wols_ | Sylvain: it's written right there |
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| 13:42.04 | Sylvain | wols_: how will I be able to take advantage of future new versions? |
| 13:42.27 | wols_ | by doing it again |
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| 13:43.19 | giuppy | e buonasera a tutti |
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| 13:43.39 | buntfalke | wols_: well, i know that dcraw is likely the backend, but I don't know whow to make debian's gwenview-package use it in the end... |
| 13:44.08 | slamh | i need to extract the Windows drivers for mi WiFi adapter but it's a .exe file. I tried to "explode" it with unzip(1) but don't seems to work. Does anyone have an idea? |
| 13:44.14 | slamh | THX in advance. |
| 13:44.20 | Skratz0r | Thanks* |
| 13:44.23 | Skratz0r | /kickban |
| 13:44.31 | slamh | O.o |
| 13:44.47 | Skratz0r | You cant unzip an executable file.. |
| 13:44.51 | valdyn | slamh: cabextract or uncompress |
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| 13:45.00 | Skratz0r | Disregard that. |
| 13:45.03 | slamh | valdyn: let me check, THX. |
| 13:45.05 | slamh | Skratz0r ;-) |
| 13:45.07 | valdyn | slamh: but you probably only need to run that exe |
| 13:45.12 | valdyn | slamh: wine file.exe |
| 13:45.17 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 13:45.22 | valdyn | slamh: if its a self expanding archive |
| 13:45.23 | slamh | valdyn, no i only need the .inf files. |
| 13:45.40 | wols_ | slamh: stil wine. and I doubt you only need the inf |
| 13:45.54 | wols_ | inf is not firmware |
| 13:45.56 | do_guh_new | you can't install windows drivers via wine it's impossible |
| 13:46.08 | wols_ | do_guh_new: but you can EXTRACT from .exe files |
| 13:46.10 | valdyn | do_guh_new: no one said you could |
| 13:46.17 | slamh | wols_, inf and sys. I don't need more. |
| 13:46.24 | valdyn | slamh: run the file |
| 13:46.27 | wols_ | slamh: do what valdyn said |
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| 13:49.05 | snikker | no ones? |
| 13:49.18 | enveezee | how would I figure out how much video ram is on this card in debian? I have two GeForce 5200 cards, the other one shows a vbios screen when the machine boots and says it has 128mb.. but this one doesn't do that |
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| 13:49.56 | pjv | anyone here use kmplayer? |
| 13:50.06 | enveezee | sounds fugly |
| 13:50.16 | enveezee | I occationally use mplayer or gmplayer |
| 13:50.18 | inigo | enveezee, try lshw or lspci -vvvv |
| 13:50.24 | stew | pjv: just assume someone does and ask your real question |
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| 13:50.44 | pjv | i need the ffmpeg options, i kinda stuffed mine up |
| 13:50.44 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 13:50.45 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 13:50.52 | andrews | hey |
| 13:50.57 | andrews | anybody using munin? |
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| 13:51.05 | stew | andrews: someone is using munin, yes |
| 13:51.10 | do_guh_new | lol |
| 13:51.11 | andrews | lol |
| 13:51.13 | andrews | like you? |
| 13:51.20 | stew | andrews: just ask your real question |
| 13:51.20 | do_guh_new | just ask the query |
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| 13:51.52 | pjv | i guess no one uses kmplayer |
| 13:51.55 | andrews | eh okey so I would like to make munin password protected but seperate user for each graph |
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| 13:52.10 | abrotman | pjv: there is #mplayer also |
| 13:52.31 | do_guh_new | pjv: I mean is your question specific to Kmplayer? I use mplayer if I knew the query I could be of some assistance perhaps |
| 13:53.00 | enveezee | well it says Region 1: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] so I guess it also has 128, just doesnt apparently have the vbios on it or something |
| 13:53.02 | vchrizz | dutchfish: while looking at the source of nmbd i see this comment: * The sockets opened here will be used to receive broadcast packets *only*. Interface specific sockets are opened in make_subnet() in namedbsubnet.c. Thus we bind to the address "0.0.0.0". The parameter 'socket address' is now deprecated. |
| 13:53.05 | pjv | do_guh_new: scroll up |
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| 13:55.02 | andrews | so |
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| 13:55.12 | andrews | stew, do_guh_new |
| 13:55.15 | andrews | any idea? |
| 13:55.30 | andrews | actually 1 user per node (host) |
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| 13:59.14 | do_guh_new | andrews: would love to help but know nothing about munin sorry |
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| 14:01.26 | abrotman | andrews: asked #munin ? |
| 14:01.26 | andrews | eh |
| 14:01.27 | andrews | k |
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| 14:02.54 | gonzaloaf | how, can somebody help me to enable compiz on lenny? |
| 14:04.32 | Bushmills | andrews: set up apache for auth |
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| 14:05.10 | Bushmills | munin only generates html files and images. no way to password protect there |
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| 14:07.28 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: what videocard and what driver do you use? |
| 14:07.49 | Quazar | Hi all, i just did a fresh install of Debian etch yesterday from network install and a lot of things were missing, including fuser, and i dont know how to install it |
| 14:08.02 | Quazar | So does anyone know how to fix that problem? |
| 14:08.03 | wols_ | !tell Quazar about search |
| 14:08.08 | wols_ | !tell Quazar about grounding |
| 14:08.27 | Quazar | That was my first thing |
| 14:09.14 | andrews | Bushmills: yes but how can create seperate user for seperate files? since all files in one folder |
| 14:09.15 | gonzaloaf | wols_, nvidia, and I use the nvidia's drivers |
| 14:09.24 | wols_ | !compiz |
| 14:09.24 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 14:09.49 | Bushmills | andrews: i only know how to password protect directories, not files. #apache may be able to tell you |
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| 14:11.15 | Nyle | sweet |
| 14:11.20 | Nyle | cable guy is here! |
| 14:11.22 | Bushmills | Quazar: by installing the needed packages. |
| 14:11.34 | Bushmills | Quazar: fuser is in psmisc |
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| 14:11.55 | Bushmills | Quazar: check http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:12.02 | Quazar | Bushmills: ok so what do i need to apt-get install |
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| 14:12.58 | Bushmills | Quazar: name of package |
| 14:13.08 | Quazar | psmisc |
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| 14:13.16 | Bushmills | for fuser, yes |
| 14:13.34 | wols_ | Quazar: read the search factoid really carefully |
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| 14:13.37 | Quazar | Bushmills: thanx |
| 14:13.54 | Quazar | wols_, pfft, all you had to say was type apt-get install psmisc |
| 14:14.05 | Quazar | Over complicate things |
| 14:14.13 | Quazar | Thanx again Bushmills |
| 14:14.19 | wols_ | lazy fucker |
| 14:14.32 | wols_ | Bushmills: remember !fish |
| 14:14.40 | dutchfish | oo-> |
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| 14:15.43 | Bushmills | wols_: well, i made him guess what package name to add to apt-get install |
| 14:15.45 | Bushmills | :) |
| 14:16.03 | samantha- | so i've got a bunch of usb drives connected and they work okay. when i boot tho, they haven't finished being recognized by the usb bus, and so their being listed in fstab (and being unavailable) causes the boot process to hang with ctrl-d or root pw. how can i fix this so that they don't mount for, say, two minutes, to give the usb controller time to recognize all the drives? |
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| 14:17.16 | wols_ | samantha-: 2 minutes is a LOOOONG time for bootup |
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| 14:17.42 | dutchfish | samantha-, why not automount? |
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| 14:18.15 | samantha- | wols_, considering how frequently this machine boots up, it's not a big deal. it's more important to me that it come up without manual intervention than it come up fast. |
| 14:18.38 | samantha- | dutchfish, howto? |
| 14:18.42 | wols_ | either as dutchfish says or a "sleep" in the appropriate init script |
| 14:18.52 | Bushmills | samantha-: consider to automount them |
| 14:19.08 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 14:19.08 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
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| 14:19.17 | Bushmills | means, they're not needed during boot/ |
| 14:19.52 | Bushmills | autofs ... |
| 14:20.16 | dutchfish | samantha-, http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 14:20.24 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ;) |
| 14:20.49 | Bushmills | dutchfish: appears i'm parrotting you... |
| 14:20.57 | dutchfish | Bushmills, no no, np |
| 14:21.03 | dutchfish | Bushmills, just same thoughts |
| 14:21.11 | Bushmills | makes most sense |
| 14:21.17 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yup |
| 14:21.34 | Bushmills | reason is universal |
| 14:21.40 | dutchfish | true |
| 14:21.44 | samantha- | what i really need is a case big enough to hold all these drives so i don't have to resort to the power consumption of usb. but those are expensive, and i'm cheap. |
| 14:22.13 | Bushmills | apt-get install big-enough-case |
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| 14:22.32 | dutchfish | samantha-, http://marksitblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/linux-based-poor-mans-san_05.html |
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| 14:32.58 | Chops` | Hi all, what is the easiest way to set a mail server that forwards *@mydomain to a specified address? I have changed by MX record from this server but I still want a failsafe in place for people using cached entries. |
| 14:33.15 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I got this when starting compiz, Checking for Xgl: not present. |
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| 14:34.27 | kanzure | Huh, drupal isn't in the apt repositories? |
| 14:34.39 | kanzure | goes to get the zip. |
| 14:34.49 | Chops` | OR at lest a suggestion of the best mailserver for the job? |
| 14:34.59 | dutchfish | just want to say kudos to the packagemaintainers of ketchup (its a real timesaver) |
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| 14:36.46 | samantha- | Chops`, any mail server, improperly configured, will do exactly what you want. |
| 14:37.04 | Chops` | improperly? |
| 14:37.25 | hark | gonzaloaf: that's not an error |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | Chops`: ask the channel for your smtp server .. i'm pretty sure postfix and exim can do that |
| 14:37.49 | gonzaloaf | hark, but when I run 'compiz --replace', my X restarts |
| 14:38.09 | Chops` | Ok abrotman, thanks. |
| 14:38.13 | samantha- | you are begging for billions of spams. for legacy reasons i have this set up for my domain, and i periodically get bombing runs 100k-500k at a time of portuguese penis spam coming in to hundreds of thousands of non-existant addresses ... in alphabetical order. |
| 14:38.29 | Bushmills | Chops`: will come down to exim or postfix |
| 14:38.42 | Chops` | samantha-: - what if you have a spam filter? |
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| 14:39.02 | dutchfish | Chops`, then it will burn cycles like hell |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | if he's got them to burn ... |
| 14:39.31 | cusco | hi I have a rpocess running and I need to stop it, close the session, open another session and resume that process |
| 14:39.45 | samantha- | Chops`, my experience has been that with runs that large, a significant amounts gets through still, and/or the processing requirements become prohibative. i have been thrown off of several hosts for such issues, such that i now simply use gmail's commercial domain service. |
| 14:39.55 | cusco | I noticed I canot stop it and resume it inside a screen session |
| 14:39.59 | cusco | any ideas? |
| 14:40.28 | Bushmills | cusco: kill -STOP <pid> stops it |
| 14:40.34 | Bushmills | -CONT to resume |
| 14:40.44 | cusco | ow.. |
| 14:40.49 | Chops` | samantha-: yes I use gmail as well, but some people are still using my old MX record even though I changed it two weeks ago. |
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| 14:41.05 | Chops` | now I want to format the server but cant until mail stops coming to it |
| 14:41.11 | Bushmills | not sure what you intend to do with "closing" |
| 14:41.15 | Chops` | the other option is to format and then put a catchall on the domain |
| 14:41.30 | cusco | Bushmills: I need to close the ssh session tho |
| 14:41.39 | samantha- | chops: you may never be able to, depending on how badly configured their dns cache is. what is your dns server's ttl set to? |
| 14:41.40 | cusco | can I resume after I logged back in? |
| 14:41.44 | hark | gonzaloaf: that's another matter altogether. Checking for xgl is not an error |
| 14:41.46 | Bushmills | so, disconnect. reconnect, resume screen |
| 14:41.53 | Chops` | samantha-: 3600 |
| 14:42.02 | cusco | but right now the process is not running inside a screen session |
| 14:42.13 | Bushmills | and so? |
| 14:42.24 | samantha- | Chops`, 3600 what? days? minutes? |
| 14:42.35 | cusco | how do I resume it inside a screen session? |
| 14:42.48 | Chops` | samantha-: minutes, the default |
| 14:43.09 | samantha- | Chops`, has it been that long since you changed the records? are you sure you issued a hup to the daemon if you're using bind? |
| 14:43.21 | Bushmills | cusco: if you need to stop it, kill -STOP. disconnect. reconnect. resume screen. kill -CONT. |
| 14:43.22 | dutchfish | has just found out that more and more eastern mailservers do origin tracking instead of MX resolving, its really getting anoying |
| 14:43.40 | Bushmills | but, you could just as well keep it running, no need to -STOP and -CONT |
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| 14:43.50 | cusco | Bushmills: but then I will not be able to see its stdout output |
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| 14:44.15 | Bushmills | cusco: your choice. stop it or don't |
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| 14:44.30 | Chops` | samantha-: I changed the records in May, and I dont know what a hup to the daemon is or if I was using a bind ;) |
| 14:45.03 | Chops` | I use freedns.afraid.org for my namservers btw. |
| 14:45.15 | cusco | so back to my question... can I stop a process, close the session, open a new session and resume that process - with access to its output? |
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| 14:45.32 | abrotman | Chops`: is any of it legit mail ? |
| 14:45.34 | Bushmills | cusco: yes |
| 14:45.41 | cusco | how? |
| 14:45.41 | smacnay | Hello, I am wondering what the preferred linux-to-linux dir and file sharing method is over a closed network? I have a samba server running but wonder if another option is better. |
| 14:45.47 | Bushmills | cusco: i told you twice |
| 14:45.50 | samantha- | okay so they have some kind of automatically reloading gadget. ok so this means one of two things: either you screwed up changing your MX receiver (possible), or the people sending you email have screwed up their dns caches, which is also likely. what's the domain name we're dealing with? |
| 14:46.06 | dutchfish | Chops`, just dig @[there ip dns server] -t MX yourdomain.ext |
| 14:46.09 | cusco | Bushmills: but I will not be able to see the output once I use kill with the -CONT flag |
| 14:46.25 | Chops` | abrotman: yeah a lot of it is |
| 14:46.36 | wols_ | dutchfish: origin tracking? |
| 14:46.37 | Bushmills | cusco: if you think so, fine. |
| 14:46.43 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
| 14:46.50 | wols_ | dutchfish: what is that? |
| 14:46.51 | Chops` | samantha-: pm? |
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| 14:47.04 | abrotman | Chops`: i'd like the domain too!! |
| 14:47.07 | samantha- | Chops`, only for your domain name. |
| 14:47.10 | cusco | Bushmills: as soon as I close the session the program exits |
| 14:47.21 | cusco | I don't think so |
| 14:47.23 | cusco | I just tested it |
| 14:47.24 | Bushmills | cusco: wrong. |
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| 14:47.29 | cusco | it just happened |
| 14:47.41 | Bushmills | cusco: then you don;t run what you say you did |
| 14:47.50 | wols_ | smacnay: nfs |
| 14:47.54 | dutchfish | wols_, it stores the disected headers from incoming mail (all) in a db, and uses that for replying instead of doing proper MX resolving |
| 14:47.59 | cusco | what did I say I ran Bushmills ? |
| 14:48.13 | Bushmills | cusco: you have the process running in screen |
| 14:48.14 | dimi3 | I'm trying to install the ati drivers for some time now (fglrx). But I cannot get them running, after aticonfig --initial I get no Device detected.. Any ideas? |
| 14:48.20 | cusco | Bushmills: I never said that |
| 14:48.20 | dutchfish | wols_, mostly used by spammers |
| 14:48.33 | cusco | Bushmills: thing is that process is already running and not on a screen session |
| 14:48.37 | wols_ | dimi3: which drivers exactly (from ati or from debian.org) and what videocard? |
| 14:48.59 | wols_ | cusco: then you're fscked. can't disconnect the terminal |
| 14:49.08 | Bushmills | "I noticed I canot stop it and resume it inside a screen session" |
| 14:49.43 | Chops` | How is it looking samantha- ? |
| 14:49.47 | Bushmills | when you stopped it and restarted it already .. just restart it in screen |
| 14:49.59 | samantha- | Chops`, dig -t MX <your domain> returns an A record for 88.198.47.55. |
| 14:50.08 | samantha- | is that where the mail SHOULD go? |
| 14:50.12 | cusco | 15:44:34 < cusco> I noticed I canot stop it and *then* resume it inside a screen session |
| 14:50.17 | dimi3 | wols_: I'm using the drivers from debian, the card is 9200. When I try those from Ati - X server unable to detect |
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| 14:50.20 | cusco | the word "then" was missing |
| 14:50.26 | Chops` | samantha-: mail should be going to gmails |
| 14:50.26 | cusco | ok |
| 14:50.29 | cusco | thanks |
| 14:50.40 | wols_ | dimi3: this card will not work with fglrx. "ati" only |
| 14:50.43 | samantha- | Chops`, then your dns server is incorrectly configured. |
| 14:51.05 | Chops` | my a record should be that though, thats my server that has apache |
| 14:51.10 | dimi3 | wols_: ok - that's what I'm using now. So .. how could I enable two different monitors on it? |
| 14:51.30 | samantha- | it looks like you don't have an MX record installed, and so the sending smtp server will fall back to an A record. |
| 14:51.31 | wols_ | !dualhead |
| 14:51.31 | dpkg | methinks dualhead is not a pr0n term, or see <xinerama> |
| 14:51.35 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.50 | dimi3 | wols_: I mean that one should be 1680x1050, and the other 1360.. |
| 14:52.04 | dimi3 | wols_: so I should configure my X using xinerama? |
| 14:52.14 | Bushmills | cusco:  what you quote as having said at 15:44:34, you didn't say there. |
| 14:52.21 | wols_ | that's one way. certainly aticonfig and fglrx will not work. ever |
| 14:52.23 | smacnay | wols_, so any machine wishing to share a dir or directories would be running the nfs server. I assume. |
| 14:52.34 | wols_ | smacnay: yes |
| 14:52.40 | Bushmills | cusco: what i quoted what you said was copy and paste |
| 14:52.43 | Chops` | samantha-: I have 5 MX records on the domain |
| 14:52.49 | cusco | Bushmills: 15:54:59 < cusco> the word "then" was missing |
| 14:52.51 | dutchfish | wols_, the technic relies heavely on a not properly firewalled endpoint |
| 14:52.56 | dimi3 | wols_: :) nice - I remember I had those drivers maybe 3-4 years on slackware, but maybe I got things wrong .. |
| 14:52.56 | Chops` | Priorities 1, 5, 5, 10, 10 |
| 14:53.15 | dimi3 | wols_: do you have any good article how I good do the thins? |
| 14:53.19 | wols_ | dimi3: older versions supported your card. but that's a long time ago. ati dropped support |
| 14:53.34 | wols_ | !xinerama |
| 14:53.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 14:53.41 | dimi3 | wols_: thanks! :) |
| 14:54.09 | samantha- | Chops`, then they're not being propagated correctly and you should contact your DNS server's tech support outlets for help. |
| 14:55.58 | Chops` | samantha-: I've pmed the domain setup, is that looking right? |
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| 14:56.29 | dutchfish | wols_, i am managing a db since a few months, that collect those mailservers (testcase) and consider those as mallfunctioning |
| 14:58.02 | samantha- | Chops`, since i don't know your provider's format for adding MX priorities to MX records, i can't tell. your priorities could be backwards. |
| 14:58.10 | Chops` | samantha-: It's strange because most of my mail (pretty much all but one site) is sending it to my google MX servers. |
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| 14:58.26 | dutchfish | wols_, a legitimate use would be to ease the burden of backscatter (but not a good chocie) |
| 14:58.28 | samantha- | Chops`, if it's only one site that's a problem, then their dns server is misconfigured. |
| 14:58.49 | Chops` | the site in question is a large hosting provider - i wouldnt think they would have it set up wrong? |
| 14:59.00 | samantha- | Chops`, you'd be surprised. |
| 14:59.04 | Bushmills | Chops`: did you consider TTL of the old dns records before update, in the recursor your use to resolve it now? |
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| 14:59.07 | abrotman | they may cache intentionally |
| 14:59.40 | dimi3 | wols_: There's an option to download the driver from ati.com for 9200. But when I try to run it I get the unable to detect X |
| 14:59.55 | Chops` | So it may be best to contact the site in question as they may have an issue? |
| 14:59.56 | samantha- | if they're ignoring your TTL, and thus are using DNS records more than 3600 minutes old, they could still be using the old record. this is common (although broken) practice, to limit bandwidth usage. |
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| 15:00.18 | Chops` | sounds like the most feasible answer |
| 15:00.25 | dutchfish | Chops`, some admins use prio < 10 as persistant |
| 15:00.33 | sophie` | How can I solve "-bash: config.status:: command not found" please ? |
| 15:00.55 | wols_ | dimi3: I told you it will not work. driver "ati" is your ONLY choice |
| 15:00.57 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm trying to set compiz on my system, after running 'compiz --replace' I got this output: http://pastebin.ca/1047816 ,and the windows decorations disappear, as the maximize and the close windows buttons. Can you help me to solve that? |
| 15:01.03 | Chops` | Ok, I'll give the comapny an email and see whats going on |
| 15:01.04 | dimi3 | wols_: ok |
| 15:01.06 | wols_ | dimi3: and we do not support ANY ati.com drivers |
| 15:01.12 | Chops` | Thanks for the help guys. |
| 15:01.18 | sophie` | How can I solve "-bash: config.status:: command not found" please ? |
| 15:01.23 | Bushmills | sophie`: by having the program which you try to execute |
| 15:01.26 | Chops` | i shouldnt really be setting up mailservers, I know nothing at all about them |
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| 15:01.40 | sophie` | Bushmills: what? |
| 15:01.41 | dimi3 | wols_: I'll check the guide and I'll try to do it.. if I have some other questions.. I'll ask you |
| 15:01.42 | Bushmills | uggh.. an autorepeater |
| 15:01.43 | Chops` | hides before he is assasinated |
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| 15:01.48 | samantha- | Chops`, the issue isn't their mail server, it's their dns server. |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | Chops`: time to learn! :) |
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| 15:01.51 | dutchfish | Chops`, its quickly becoming almost a black art |
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| 15:01.54 | sophie` | this happens after "make" |
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| 15:02.12 | wols_ | sophie`: what are you compiling and did you run ./configure? |
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| 15:02.28 | sophie` | Yes I ran ./configure before. I'm compiling a C++ program |
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| 15:02.52 | wols_ | what are you compiling? |
| 15:02.57 | sophie` | a C++ software |
| 15:03.16 | kyaneos | hi |
| 15:03.17 | wols_ | if you don't want to answer: have your way. don't expect any more from me either |
| 15:03.31 | kyaneos | how can i compile a single file using glib.h?? please |
| 15:03.39 | kyaneos | using pkg-config gives me an error |
| 15:03.41 | wols_ | kyaneos: install glib.h |
| 15:03.51 | wols_ | !tell kyaneos about errors |
| 15:04.25 | kyaneos | wols_: it is installed |
| 15:04.44 | wols_ | kyaneos: read the factoid |
| 15:05.03 | dutchfish | kyaneos, libglibx.0-dev .. where x = 1 or 2 |
| 15:05.10 | kyaneos | 2 |
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| 15:05.29 | dutchfish | kyaneos, depending on your source |
| 15:05.54 | kyaneos | gcc `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0` -o hello hello.c |
| 15:05.54 | kyaneos | hello.c:1:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:06.06 | wols_ | kyaneos: then it's obviously not installed |
| 15:06.18 | kyaneos | pavilion:~# find / -name glib.h |
| 15:06.18 | kyaneos | /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
| 15:06.32 | dutchfish | kyaneos, updatedb if you didnt a long time |
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| 15:06.49 | dutchfish | kyaneos, or use path along |
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| 15:07.04 | wols_ | kyaneos: pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 |
| 15:07.05 | kyaneos | dutchfish: i have not updatedb |
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| 15:07.19 | kyaneos | wols_: -lglib-2.0 |
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| 15:08.03 | wols_ | -l is library, no include |
| 15:08.50 | dutchfish | libglib2.0-dev: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
| 15:08.51 | kyaneos | wols_: oh, i have added --cflags and now it works |
| 15:09.01 | sophie` | bluk: how should I modify the $ath? |
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| 15:09.04 | sophie` | $path* |
| 15:09.05 | kyaneos | thank you very much wols_ dutchfish |
| 15:09.16 | kyaneos | :) |
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| 15:12.03 | dimi3 | wols_: How the get vsync and hsync ? |
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| 15:13.46 | dutchfish | dimi3, http://amlc.berlios.de/ |
| 15:14.08 | dimi3 | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 15:15.07 | SpookyET | hi |
| 15:15.20 | kuer | Good day. |
| 15:16.04 | SpookyET | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.04 | SpookyET | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.04 | SpookyET | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.19 | SpookyET | I have trouble with cdbs. debian/package/usr/bin is empty. make install is working properly because debian/tmp/usr/bin is populated. I don't understand why it's not moving the files from debian/tmp/usr/bin to debian/package/usr/bin. |
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| 15:20.52 | azeem | is there a way to request the ppd for a local printer from cups, to install it on another remote box? |
| 15:21.02 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I could enter just one values, like 47.7 in xorg.conf? |
| 15:21.35 | dutchfish | dimi3, no, you have to calculate first |
| 15:22.01 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I found only this value for hsync in my tv manual..? |
| 15:22.21 | dutchfish | dimi3, consult your monitor's |
| 15:22.37 | dimi3 | ok |
| 15:22.51 | dutchfish | dimi3, they can be slightly off as explained in that page however |
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| 15:23.31 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I'll check the program and see if they are similiar |
| 15:23.37 | dutchfish | dimi3, ok |
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| 15:24.45 | dutchfish | point to lenny's openprinting-ppds |
| 15:25.40 | alphanet | hello, I am trying to use a GM695/GL960 VGA card on Debian *etch* with minimal changes (a few lines patch to the kernel and maybe a backported X.org would be ok). I have located a few patches however I have some issues. Anyone having done that already? |
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| 15:26.00 | alphanet | (reference: http://www.meinews.net/debian-t49841.html?s=ac3a25a21cbb774211178063d975ead6&) |
| 15:26.30 | alphanet | (I don't want to upgrade to later than 2.6.18 notably because then it creates a nightmare with various *other* drivers such as ipw3945, firewires, and others.) |
| 15:26.43 | eksirf | I am running ssh on a debian server (it is openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch2) - and I wonder if I can use Match in this Version? |
| 15:27.19 | dutchfish | dimi3, in lenny there is also videogen |
| 15:27.45 | dimi3 | dutchfish: ok |
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| 15:28.27 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I'll check my config |
| 15:30.07 | eksirf | I want to use Match/ForceCommand/Chroot to keep an user from using an other protocol than sftp and using an other directory |
| 15:30.45 | sophie` | Is it possible to install Wine on a dedicated server running debian 4.0 without x.org ( and without graphic card and/or screen) ? |
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| 15:31.18 | friede1 | hi |
| 15:31.22 | Bushmills | sophie`: probably |
| 15:31.32 | alphanet | sophie`: you can simulate the WINE screen with xvfb (the virtual frame buffer) or you can use the X Window protocol remotely (export DISPLAY=: ... or ssh -X, you need however the basic X libraries) |
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| 15:32.07 | sophie` | alphanet: could you explain me the entire way to do that in PM ? I'm such a beginner in linux and I dont want to do mistakes :) |
| 15:32.16 | alphanet | sophie`: what is PM? :) |
| 15:32.25 | sophie` | private message |
| 15:32.28 | alphanet | sophie`: ok :) |
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| 15:32.32 | friede1 | i have a problem booting into my linux, there is only the message acpi_pm clocksource has been installed and nothing more happens |
| 15:32.45 | Bushmills | sophie`: if, by "without x.org" you mean, that youu don't need to install an X server on remote |
| 15:33.00 | sophie` | I mean I don't have X.org installed |
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| 15:33.31 | SingAlong | Hi everyone! |
| 15:33.41 | alphanet | sophie`: I will do it here because it's quite simple. If you look at the wine package, it tells you: Depends: xbase-clients |
| 15:33.44 | SingAlong | How do I configure my internet connection? |
| 15:33.47 | Bushmills | no need for X server. Xorg is an X server |
| 15:34.04 | alphanet | sophie`: so if you apt-get install wine it will just install what is required, no X server, just the client libraries. |
| 15:34.10 | sophie` | But X will ask me few things about the graphic chipset isnt it ? |
| 15:34.29 | alphanet | sophie`: the client libraries are what you need to display on a *remote* X server (your workstation e.g.), not on the server itself. |
| 15:34.31 | Bushmills | no. X server would. |
| 15:34.38 | alphanet | sophie`: I second what Bushmills says :) |
| 15:34.44 | Bushmills | x clients don;'t know about graphics card |
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| 15:34.56 | Bushmills | wine is an X client |
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| 15:35.04 | wols_ | sophie`: yes you can |
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| 15:35.19 | dutchfish | SingAlong, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 15:35.21 | soulchild | Hi all, where do i have to set my default X Session (file ? ) ??? |
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| 15:36.14 | Bushmills | soulchild: what branch of debian? |
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| 15:36.40 | MolePrince | Howdy, I need to set up a server to connect my ethernet LAN on a switch over server's wifi to wifi modem in the next room. What is the best way to do this please? |
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| 15:36.52 | Bushmills | soulchild: and why do you think they can give you answers about your debian system on ubuntu? |
| 15:37.01 | sophie` | apt-get install wine done |
| 15:37.15 | alphanet | ok |
| 15:37.29 | wols_ | Bushmills: what makes you think her runs debian? |
| 15:37.35 | soulchild | reisio: Bushmills lenny |
| 15:37.47 | Bushmills | wols_: because of having asked in Debian |
| 15:37.53 | soulchild | Bushmills: how do u know that i am on debian ? |
| 15:38.03 | Bushmills | soulchild: my neighbour told me |
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| 15:38.40 | dutchfish | 0.o |
| 15:39.00 | soulchild | Bushmills: come on tell me |
| 15:39.15 | Bushmills | he said "isn't that strange, same question for twp different distribution - that person does a lot of things at the same time" |
| 15:39.31 | soulchild | Bushmills: ahh your on #ubuntu too |
| 15:39.33 | cahoot | three actually |
| 15:39.47 | soulchild | thought this here is #ubuntu ,... okay,... can u help me now ? |
| 15:39.47 | smacnay | does anyone here set up /etc/hosts.deny with "ALL: PARANOID" and then allow certain clients in the /etc/hosts.allow file? |
| 15:40.01 | smacnay | I see that the Deb default is no options set in either file. |
| 15:40.07 | dutchfish | !tell soulchild about ubuntu |
| 15:40.34 | soulchild | Bushmills: i thought they can help me to beacause in that point i dont think ubuntu and debia nare different |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | soulchild: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the whole line |
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| 15:42.48 | soulchild | abrotman: what do you want ? i asked somethin about XSessions |
| 15:43.07 | abrotman | soulchild: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the whole line |
| 15:43.18 | soulchild | bot ? |
| 15:43.19 | soulchild | :D |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | no .. answer |
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| 15:43.38 | soulchild | 2.7-10 |
| 15:43.59 | soulchild | so ? |
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| 15:44.03 | asdzxc | hi |
| 15:44.14 | asdzxc | is there any Etch installer which supports dmraid ? |
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| 15:44.26 | asdzxc | i found that only installer for Lenny oficially supports this |
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| 15:44.30 | wols_ | !raid |
| 15:44.30 | dpkg | somebody said raid was Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 15:44.31 | asdzxc | but i want to install Etch |
| 15:44.41 | jessica | what is the differance between debian and ubuntu |
| 15:44.42 | wols_ | asdzxc: from what I remember the expert install of etch does |
| 15:44.56 | wols_ | !tell jessica about why debian |
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| 15:45.04 | SingAlong | Can anyone help me configure my internet connection with slackware? |
| 15:45.13 | jessica | thanks |
| 15:45.15 | asdzxc | wols_ how can i use this expert install ? how can i activate it ? |
| 15:45.17 | wols_ | SingAlong: #slackware can |
| 15:45.22 | soulchild | abrotman: ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:45.23 | wols_ | !tell asdzxc about d-i |
| 15:45.44 | SingAlong | I did netconfig -> StaticIP -> did the settings and refreshed the browser. But not yet connected. |
| 15:45.58 | wols_ | SingAlong: we do NOT support slackware. no go away or run debian |
| 15:46.10 | wols_ | *now |
| 15:46.13 | kesara | Hi, I installed Debian with Fluxbox on my lenovo laptop. Font rendering is very bad. How can I change it? |
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| 15:46.27 | asdzxc | wols_ i already have netinst CD |
| 15:46.33 | wols_ | asdzxc: and? |
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| 15:46.53 | soulchild | Which WM is good, slim and fast ??? |
| 15:47.04 | asdzxc | wols_ how can i activate expert install ? |
| 15:47.07 | soulchild | i searched for e17 but seems to be not available |
| 15:47.11 | Bushmills | soulchild: larswm is the last 2 |
| 15:47.27 | kesara | soulchild: Blackbox |
| 15:47.28 | soulchild | Bushmills: that means not good à |
| 15:47.42 | wols_ | !tell soulchild about e17 |
| 15:47.43 | Bushmills | soulchild: that means that i have no idea what you call "good" |
| 15:47.58 | wols_ | !tell asdzxc about d-i |
| 15:48.01 | miksuh | asdzxc: type to install prompt: expertgui |
| 15:48.10 | miksuh | and press enter |
| 15:48.47 | soulchild | Bushmills: hmmm i don't like it ,... any alternative ? |
| 15:49.12 | wols_ | !tell soulchild about poll |
| 15:49.17 | asdzxc | miksuh thnx |
| 15:49.17 | Bushmills | soulchild: many. but of none i know whether you like them |
| 15:49.35 | soulchild | kesara: Bushmills just give me advises |
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| 15:49.43 | abrotman | how does e17 and "good, slim and fast" go together? |
| 15:49.57 | soulchild | abrotman: e17 is greazt |
| 15:50.00 | soulchild | -z |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | how does e17 and "good, slim and fast" go together? |
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| 15:50.19 | soulchild | do you alway reat ? |
| 15:50.22 | soulchild | repeat |
| 15:50.22 | wols_ | abrotman: you expect coherent answers? |
| 15:50.32 | wols_ | soulchild: do you always evade the question? |
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| 15:53.35 | smacnay | in testing, what is the version of the nfs-kernel-server (ver 4)? I am trying to set up exports but get errors when trying to restart nfs to see them. |
| 15:53.38 | alphanet | !tell alphanet about e17 |
| 15:54.09 | Walzmyn | ok, i'm attempting my first all-CLI install on my server - I am in need of the kernel source for a propritary driver but i'm having trouble finding the proper package |
| 15:54.19 | SeveredCross | Walzmyn: apt-cache search |
| 15:54.30 | abrotman | Walzmyn: which driver? |
| 15:54.40 | Walzmyn | SeveredCross, yeah, i'm using that. i'm not sure what i'm looking for though |
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| 15:54.58 | Walzmyn | abrotman, nvidia |
| 15:55.00 | dimi3 | wols_ dutchfish : I tried with xinerama but I get fatal io error 104 |
| 15:55.05 | SeveredCross | Well, a good choice would be the name of whatever the driver is for. |
| 15:55.07 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 15:55.18 | abrotman | you don't need the source .. and odn't use the nvidia.com junk |
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| 15:56.50 | Walzmyn | abrotman, ok, i'll work on that. Thanks |
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| 15:57.29 | PaTriN | planet.debian.org/net is down? |
| 15:58.26 | azeem | PaTriN: a couple of Debian sites are down currently |
| 15:58.33 | PaTriN | ups |
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| 16:00.23 | smacnay | any nfs gurus here able to help me set up a simple export of a few local directories? I have set up /etc/exports and restarted nfs through the /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart command but get errors stating that /srv/nfs4/homes (eg) dies not exist. |
| 16:00.56 | asdzxc | is it possible to installl Debian Lenny and then downgrade to Etch ? |
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| 16:01.12 | Wyzard | no |
| 16:01.13 | smacnay | if you are using "testing" you will need to backport the sid nvidia drivers. |
| 16:01.21 | dutchfish | dimi3, can you pastebin xorg.0.log ? |
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| 16:01.24 | SingAlong__ | Can anyone help me configure my internet? |
| 16:01.32 | abrotman | SingAlong__: ask #slackware or ##linux |
| 16:01.34 | dimi3 | dutchfish: ok |
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| 16:02.10 | SingAlong__ | Wyzard: Can anyone help me configure my internet? |
| 16:02.35 | abrotman | SingAlong__: ask #slackware or ##linux .. we do NOT support other distros here |
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| 16:03.49 | dimi3 | dutchfish: it's here http://pastebin.com/d3b9ad0ed |
| 16:03.51 | Wyzard | SingAlong__: If you're using Debian then probably, but only if you tell us what exactly you're trying to do... "configure my Internet" is pretty vague |
| 16:03.59 | SpookyET | I have trouble with cdbs. debian/package/usr/bin is empty. make install is working properly because debian/tmp/usr/bin is populated. I don't understand why it's not moving the files from debian/tmp/usr/bin to debian/package/usr/bin. |
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| 16:05.33 | dimi3 | dutchfish: If I dont use the -- +xinerama option everything starts - but I don't have the second monitor |
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| 16:08.21 | dutchfish | dimi3, mm.. xrandr maybe not working as it should? |
| 16:08.47 | Bac0n | hi i have a problem with kdm 3.5.9 .... kdm[3630]: segfault at 08002c38 eip b7d853a3 esp bfc5809c error 4 |
| 16:08.57 | dimi3 | dutchfish: do you have any ideas how I could fix it? |
| 16:09.07 | dutchfish | dimi3, was the pastebin without +xenerama? |
| 16:09.16 | Bac0n | login comes up but when i hit login it segfault |
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| 16:09.25 | dutchfish | dimi3, xinerama* |
| 16:09.25 | dimi3 | dutchfish: it's with +xinerama |
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| 16:09.41 | dimi3 | dutchfish: do you want the current one without xinerama? |
| 16:09.51 | dutchfish | dimi3, what card do you have exactly? |
| 16:10.10 | Bac0n | startx works |
| 16:10.13 | dimi3 | dutchfish: it's ati radeon 9200 |
| 16:10.38 | Bac0n | but i need kdm for pam mount |
| 16:10.40 | dimi3 | with xrandr -q I get VGA-0 connected 1680x1050+0+0, DVI-0 connected |
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| 16:10.59 | dutchfish | dimi3, check if xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is installed (it should not) |
| 16:11.10 | gluface | tool to convert pdf to readable format, or tool to read pdfs in terminal? |
| 16:11.44 | Piet | hi |
| 16:11.46 | Piet | i'm trying to purge flashplugin-nonfree on sid but the post-removal script hangs. how can i convince dpkg to purge the package nonetheless? dpkg -P --force-all didn't work. |
| 16:11.47 | abrotman | isn't there a pdftotxt ? |
| 16:11.48 | dutchfish | dimi3, this is lenny right? |
| 16:11.50 | dimi3 | dutchfish: yes, it's not installed, do I have to install it |
| 16:11.51 | soulchild | !e17 |
| 16:11.51 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 16:11.55 | dimi3 | dutchfish: yes |
| 16:11.59 | soulchild | !DR17 |
| 16:11.59 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
| 16:12.04 | abrotman | !tell soulchild about msg the bot |
| 16:12.12 | dutchfish | dimi3, no this card goes by xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 16:12.24 | soulchild | abrotman: i can't change my irssi window, ... that s why i have to do it this way |
| 16:12.44 | soulchild | somehow Alt+3 gives me this: ³ |
| 16:12.45 | dutchfish | dimi3, did you take the fglrx route? |
| 16:12.47 | dimi3 | dutchfish: yes, I have it and that's the driver |
| 16:12.49 | soulchild | must be X |
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| 16:13.09 | dimi3 | dutchfish: wols_ told me that this card is not in the driver package anymore |
| 16:13.23 | dutchfish | dimi3, oh, it should |
| 16:13.32 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I tried to do it with fglrx but I got no matching device... |
| 16:13.37 | dutchfish | dimi3, maybe th eold xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 16:13.57 | dutchfish | dimi3, hold on i check |
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| 16:14.47 | dutchfish | dimi3, no, should be xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 16:15.23 | dimi3 | so I'm on the correct path, if you want I'll pastie the xorg.conf file |
| 16:15.39 | dutchfish | dimi3, do you have IGP version or not? |
| 16:15.46 | n0mad | (can i ask anyone using XQF here ?) |
| 16:16.05 | dimi3 | dutchfish: AGP or ? It's AGP card. |
| 16:16.18 | dutchfish | dimi3, no, i meant 9200 IGP |
| 16:16.31 | slxx | !tell n0mad about anyone |
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| 16:17.12 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I don't know the name in xorg.conf is something like Device "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200]" if would help you |
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| 16:17.58 | n0mad | auch, (thx) XQF can't add master server, (mm and i can lovcate configuration file..) |
| 16:18.22 | dutchfish | dimi3, ok so no IGP card thats good |
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| 16:19.45 | dutchfish | dimi3, what kernel curently? |
| 16:19.48 | Darth_Tux | hi all, i have an HP with intel sound card, when i plug in external speakers the laptops speakers still work, and the external ones dont, any ideas would be great |
| 16:20.22 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I'm check if I could start it directly with xrandr, and the other strange thing is that if I start with tv on, then after X starts the DSUB monitor starts to blink.. |
| 16:20.34 | dimi3 | dutchfish: it's 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 16:21.27 | dutchfish | dimi3, i am running 9200 IGP on etch with dri and xradr working as it should, so wol maybe right |
| 16:22.11 | dimi3 | dutchfish: so I could downgrade to etch? |
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| 16:22.28 | dutchfish | dimi3, i have not checked it on lenny, on my other machine with HD 2400 xt, it goes by xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 16:22.49 | dutchfish | dimi3, mm.. thats downgrade hell |
| 16:23.01 | dimi3 | dutchfish: ok, if you want I could post the xorg.conf - maybe that's the problem |
| 16:23.10 | dutchfish | dimi3, ok |
| 16:23.29 | dimi3 | http://pastebin.com/d67fe1e16 |
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| 16:24.18 | dutchfish | dimi3, try it with load "radeon" in the module section |
| 16:24.33 | dimi3 | ok, i'll try |
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| 16:25.04 | dutchfish | dimi3, it should autoload however |
| 16:25.11 | poseidon | What is the ld command? |
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| 16:26.34 | abrotman | man ld ? |
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| 16:26.57 | dutchfish | dimi3, not sure but also in section Driver "radeon" |
| 16:27.25 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I tried - it didn't work. I didn't tell you I fatal io error 104. If I start it without the +xinerama option it works, but with it doesn't |
| 16:27.25 | dutchfish | dimi3, xserver-xorg-video-ati provides radeon also |
| 16:27.39 | dutchfish | dimi3, not sure but also in section Driver "radeon" |
| 16:27.41 | dimi3 | i'll change the driver |
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| 16:30.23 | dimi3 | dutchfish: it doesn't work even with radeon driver - did you find any problems with my configuration..? |
| 16:30.41 | dutchfish | dimi3, not really, as far as i can see |
| 16:30.46 | dimi3 | :( |
| 16:31.11 | dimi3 | dutchfish: my other idea is to get some .. NV card and try with it |
| 16:31.20 | dutchfish | dimi3, i am not sure about glx or aiglx |
| 16:31.36 | dimi3 | dutchfish: I don't have any other ideas.. :( |
| 16:31.51 | dutchfish | dimi3, i am sure this card would work under etch |
| 16:32.07 | kanzure | I just plugged in an external hard drive (lacie). I have no /dev/sda* available. What next? |
| 16:32.16 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: well go figure... I replaced the board.. using a sata_nv mcp51 now and still cant see the array |
| 16:32.18 | dutchfish | dimi3, but not 3d acceleration only 2d accel |
| 16:32.21 | dimi3 | dutchfish: so.. do you have idea for a descent disk resizer for linux? |
| 16:32.26 | Tenkawa | just sees individual drives |
| 16:32.34 | dimi3 | i'll install a etch and I'll check |
| 16:32.35 | Tenkawa | makes no sense |
| 16:35.04 | peppe | is buildd.d.o offline? |
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| 16:36.05 | dutchfish | dimi3, did you try disable SMART? |
| 16:36.19 | dutchfish | dimi3, oops |
| 16:36.28 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, did you try disable SMART? |
| 16:36.34 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 16:36.48 | Tenkawa | OH.. maybe i only set one disabled |
| 16:36.52 | Tenkawa | one may still be on auti |
| 16:36.54 | Tenkawa | er auto |
| 16:36.59 | Tenkawa | better go check that |
| 16:37.19 | Tenkawa | brb |
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| 16:37.33 | dutchfish | Tenkawa, maybe Passing "sata_nv.adma=0" as kernel boot parameter will do the trick |
| 16:38.27 | dutchfish | dimi3, parted or gparted if you using gnome |
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| 16:38.55 | taime1_ | does anybody know if irssi loads .irssi/config OR scripts in .irssi/scripts/autorun first? |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | #irrsi may |
| 16:39.20 | dimi3 | dutchfish: :) thanks - i'll maybe install etch and check what's going |
| 16:39.27 | dutchfish | dimi3, ok |
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| 16:44.09 | smacnay | does one need to manually do anything in /srv/ to set up nfs? |
| 16:44.39 | samantha- | !tell smacnay about nfs |
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| 16:45.59 | stack | !tell stack about nfs |
| 16:47.45 | xand | smacnay: /srv/ ? |
| 16:48.30 | smacnay | xand, that is what is listed in the /etc/exports file as default - are those just examples of a path? |
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| 16:49.01 | samantha- | stack: you can /msg dpkg if you're asking for yourself |
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| 16:49.14 | xand | smacnay: probably, I don't use /srv |
| 16:49.20 | stack | yes i was msg-ing debhelper |
| 16:49.21 | xand | you can export anything |
| 16:49.26 | samantha- | i do but i don't use nfs |
| 16:49.29 | stack | so i wasn't understanding :) |
| 16:49.38 | seon | /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 16:50.19 | seon | how can i see the net connection on debian 4.0 server |
| 16:50.41 | samantha- | seon, please rephrase more precisely. |
| 16:52.10 | seon | how can i see the connections on my server |
| 16:52.28 | seon | the ip address ..? |
| 16:52.32 | xand | ifconfig |
| 16:52.50 | seon | the incoming connections |
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| 16:53.03 | xand | netstat -an |
| 16:53.03 | dutchfish | seon man netstat |
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| 16:53.54 | seon | xand> how can i organize the output as pages |
| 16:54.00 | xand | um |
| 16:54.04 | xand | | less? |
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| 16:54.30 | null__ | Question: How can I get the description of a package in the repo without installing it? |
| 16:54.41 | xand | apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 16:54.54 | seon | xand> do you know what is the file containing the netstat info |
| 16:55.17 | null__ | thanks |
| 16:55.19 | xand | something in /proc/net probably? |
| 16:55.34 | seon | xand> you live with some probability |
| 16:55.45 | seon | xand> you are clairvoyant nice |
| 16:55.55 | seon | xand> thanks for the good answers |
| 16:56.03 | Nyle | clear |
| 16:56.06 | Nyle | oopps |
| 16:56.14 | xand | clears Nyle |
| 16:56.32 | slxx | i think alt-. will clear the screen, too. |
| 16:57.13 | xand | seon: strace netstat -an 2>&1 | grep open |
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| 16:58.55 | neighborlee | just wondering.is anyone here using 64bit etch and finding that flash ( on websites I have tried including gamespot.com) content on websites, starts, but then a few seconds later just goes blank ?? <blank as in all white>..I dont know if its just the distro im using or etch 64bit in general...?? ;) |
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| 16:59.24 | xand | !tell neighborlee about nspluginwrapper |
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| 17:00.06 | xand | neighborlee: flash doesn't work natively on 64-bit linux, see that dpkg message for instructions on installing it |
| 17:00.19 | smacnay | seon, you use the tunnelled ssh I assume. |
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| 17:00.44 | roman | hi there |
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| 17:01.55 | neighborlee | xand, right yes..I just presumed the non-free flash was installed in conjunction with 32bit firefox |
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| 17:02.06 | neighborlee | xand, thx ill look into that. |
| 17:02.11 | humbolt | is there some switch to dd to surpress abortion after i/o errors? |
| 17:02.22 | humbolt | the man page does not list anything |
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| 17:02.44 | humbolt | maybe there is another software to rescue data from damaged disks?! |
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| 17:02.53 | rmop | hi all :) |
| 17:03.04 | xand | humbolt: noerror? |
| 17:03.24 | xand | noerror "continue after read errors" |
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| 17:04.35 | humbolt | xand: tnx |
| 17:04.36 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v a display problem on my computer (testing) |
| 17:04.36 | henry_nicolas | I'v got small black lines at top of the screen like this : http://www.monsterup.com/image.php?url=upload/1213462926.jpg |
| 17:04.36 | henry_nicolas | I don't know what's the problem (which software is the cause), so does anybody know ? |
| 17:04.44 | seon | smacnay> YES |
| 17:04.56 | smacnay | seon, thanks for the link |
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| 17:05.08 | seon | smacnay> why |
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| 17:05.43 | henry_nicolas | /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 17:05.56 | henry_nicolas | sorry |
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| 17:07.11 | humbolt | xand: is there any software way to still retrieve the data on the faulty blocks? |
| 17:07.11 | wedge | http://www.xh.se/kamera.jpg <- anyone have any idea what webcam this might be? |
| 17:07.13 | henry_nicolas | Anyway, it doesn't look to be a gnome-panel bug, even if I remove it, the black lines are still there |
| 17:07.17 | juice` | is it possible to use regexp in dns server configuration? but with domain parts ,not like *.something.com but more like [a-d]*.something.com to some ip, and [e-k]*.something.com to there and so on |
| 17:07.22 | wedge | Im trying to find out what drivers to load for it.. |
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| 17:07.28 | smacnay | seon, the link? So that I can read up on tunnelling the nfs exports |
| 17:07.30 | xand | humbolt: umm... don't know |
| 17:07.58 | Nyle | I need to mount a windows share using smbfs or cifs. In /etc/fstab I must specify in the mount line, username=blah,password=blah (is there no better way than this as /etc/fstab is readable by users) |
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| 17:09.17 | xand | Nyle: I believe you can specify a file containing credentials |
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| 17:09.35 | Nyle | xand, any more info on that? |
| 17:09.37 | seon | smacnay> i don"t understand you, what you mean by nfs exports? |
| 17:09.44 | xand | Nyle: credentials=/path/to/file |
| 17:09.49 | osmosis_ | how do I reconfigure a package ? |
| 17:09.54 | Nyle | xand, and what should the file look like? |
| 17:09.56 | xand | man smbmount and see the credentials bit |
| 17:10.01 | Nyle | xand ahh |
| 17:10.33 | Nyle | fantastic |
| 17:10.35 | Nyle | first page |
| 17:10.45 | Nyle | xand, also, what should the permissions be for the file? |
| 17:10.56 | xand | 600? |
| 17:11.01 | Nyle | good enough |
| 17:11.15 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 17:13.50 | Bl4ckcomb | question about bash script: is there a possibility via pipelines to use output from one command in a calculation with 'expr' (ex: i=`grep "match this" file` /newline/ i=`expr $i + 1` <= putting this in one line) |
| 17:14.48 | Nyle | xand, thansk buddy, great success |
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| 17:15.28 | xand | good |
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| 17:15.57 | Nyle | Ijust got my 10mbps cable hooked up |
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| 17:16.16 | Nyle | before the tech left, I said hang on, checked the speed, 2.8mbps won't go past 3 |
| 17:17.00 | Nyle | so I had him check the signals levels, cutoff is 52.something it was like around 51.something, had hi lower that |
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| 17:17.32 | Nyle | it escalated to level 3, finally they did something on thier end, re sent the config file to the modem, and now i finally got 9mbps-10mbps |
| 17:17.37 | Nyle | that was an ordeal |
| 17:18.55 | Nyle | right now im getitng 8903 kbps |
| 17:19.18 | Nyle | from some server in vancouver |
| 17:19.25 | Nyle | im in nyc, so thats not bad |
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| 17:21.37 | xand | o.O |
| 17:21.50 | xand | no cable here |
| 17:21.55 | Nyle | ya'll got dsl? |
| 17:22.31 | xand | yes, 8Mbps |
| 17:23.17 | Nyle | is it consistent? |
| 17:23.22 | Nyle | 8mbps? |
| 17:23.37 | xand | well that's what the router says it is... i get about 6-7 usually |
| 17:23.46 | xand | in actual downloading |
| 17:23.49 | Nyle | yeh I get about 1mbps below what I pay |
| 17:23.50 | Nyle | same |
| 17:24.11 | Nyle | sometimes I've seen it go upto 1100~ish kb/s but thats about the highest |
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| 17:27.49 | kuer | The point is, is your provider actually giving you a 8Mb/s or is it the "at most" 8Mb/s? |
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| 17:36.37 | Nyle | atmost |
| 17:36.42 | Nyle | obviously AT most |
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| 17:37.24 | Nyle | provider can't guarantee you'll always get max speed (its not up to them) they provision me 10mbps, I could 10kbps or 1100kbps w/e |
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| 17:37.52 | Nyle | that depends on the server im downloading from, but it means that I cannot exceed 10Mbps |
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| 17:38.44 | MrBrush | Any power lynx users around |
| 17:39.19 | MrBrush | Is there a linux screen a like thing for windows cmdline? |
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| 17:39.57 | Nyle | ##windows |
| 17:40.07 | Bushmills | MrBrush: there is a linux screen like thing for linux |
| 17:40.10 | Nyle | !tell MrBrush -about ask |
| 17:40.22 | Nyle | Bushmills, i think he know that |
| 17:40.23 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:40.37 | Bushmills | Nyle, well, that's all i know |
| 17:40.42 | Nyle | cygwin perhspa |
| 17:40.44 | MrBrush | lol |
| 17:40.44 | Nyle | co linux |
| 17:40.50 | MrBrush | #windows is not as leet as you |
| 17:40.53 | Nyle | just run linux man |
| 17:41.01 | MrBrush | no man i wanna run screen on win too |
| 17:41.07 | Nyle | MrBrush, port it |
| 17:41.20 | abrotman | MrBrush: ask ##windows .. try cygwin .. has nothing to do with Debian |
| 17:41.25 | MrBrush | well, my priority is not really there |
| 17:41.25 | MrBrush | ok |
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| 17:41.54 | adv | skype sucks is there an alternative? |
| 17:42.15 | Bushmills | MrBrush: you could use putty, to connect from windows to a linux box, and run screen there. |
| 17:42.32 | Nyle | thats what I do, when I'm on windows |
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| 17:43.01 | Bushmills | except, that putty sucks a bit |
| 17:43.25 | MrBrush | hows the better tool called |
| 17:43.27 | MrBrush | err |
| 17:43.58 | adv | why does putty suck? |
| 17:44.18 | Bushmills | but well, we can't have linux everywhere. that would be monoculture, wouldn't it? |
| 17:44.37 | Bushmills | adv, the term emulations are quirky, and the process to get logged in is too clicky |
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| 17:45.09 | adv | hm agree on 2nd point |
| 17:45.19 | adv | but which term emul is quirky? |
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| 17:46.46 | Bushmills | can't tell you (as i'm not running windows). i relay that experience from suffering users, with problems of cursor keys printing strings rather than doing cursor actions, and charactersets inconsistent. |
| 17:47.44 | Bushmills | also, lines with boundary columns are sometimes not displayed columns one under the next, but indented differently |
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| 17:51.07 | wols_ | Bushmills: quirky? works fine for me |
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| 17:51.28 | wols_ | and if you set up public key auth and assign extension to putty, it will all work fine and fast |
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| 17:52.25 | Bushmills | just doubleclick saved session. i remember me doing that but had to hunt for some key importing tool first. |
| 17:52.29 | perplexed | howdy, anyone running debian successfully on a hp pavilion dv6700 series laptop? the exact model is a hp 8609wm |
| 17:53.10 | perplexed | and when downloading debian all i need is cd image 1 right? |
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| 17:55.17 | nibsa1242b | is there a way to limit the number of old kernels that sit around in /boot automatically? |
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| 17:57.09 | perplexed | anyone? |
| 17:59.08 | hark | perplexed: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 17:59.58 | perplexed | hark: which cd image should i retrieve? |
| 18:00.03 | perplexed | all i need is cd 1 right? |
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| 18:01.03 | hark | yes |
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| 18:01.52 | perplexed | ok thanks hark. Man, i cant find this laptop mentioned anywhere. |
| 18:01.58 | hark | or even the netinst. depends on you |
| 18:02.00 | perplexed | I need to get rid of vista.. |
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| 18:04.00 | nibsa1242b | is there a way to limit the number of old kernels that sit around in /boot automatically? |
| 18:04.49 | poseidon | When running make I would keep running into the problem ld can't find -lGL. I finally figured it out. For some reason my libGl.so keeps getting changed to libGL.so.1 (anyone know what might be doing this)? |
| 18:06.09 | basix_ | how do i enable Compiz Fusion in Debian testing? I've installed the latest weekly build. I tried installing compiz-fusion-gnome and other compiz related packages including fusion icon. They get installed but compiz just doesn't start up. I dont get an error in particular. How do i solve the issue? |
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| 18:08.01 | peterrooney | nibsa1242b: add an `apt-get -y --purge remove linux-images-not-symlinked' to your make-kpkg config? |
| 18:08.25 | nibsa1242b | peterrooney that sounds promising |
| 18:08.45 | nibsa1242b | peterrooney: I'm just annoyed because my 100MB /boot got filled up by old kernels. |
| 18:08.45 | abrotman | there is a postinst in the kernel-img.conf .. |
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| 18:09.16 | nibsa1242b | (I'm on Ubuntu btw, but no one over in #ubuntu knows what they are doing right now). |
| 18:09.24 | peterrooney | nibsa1242b: abrotman: i hadn't put the two together |
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| 18:09.43 | peterrooney | nibsa1242b: that's why people switch to debian |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | nibsa1242b: please go to #ubuntu or install debian |
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| 18:10.31 | nibsa1242b | peterrooney: I may have to switch for my main computer, but my SO is kinda used to Ubuntu now and won't want to on her laptop. |
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| 18:12.38 | basix | compiz-fusion anybody? |
| 18:12.52 | hark | basix: use debian packages |
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| 18:16.15 | basix | hark: yes i used the debian packages but compiz doesn't start up |
| 18:16.34 | basix | hark: i'm not using any unofficial repos |
| 18:16.42 | hark | basix: any errors while running compiz --replace? |
| 18:17.00 | perplexed | hmm i cant find information on this laptop anywhere.. |
| 18:17.08 | hark | because compiz-fusion-gnome is not a debian package |
| 18:17.48 | basix | hark: wait a minute i'll give you the exact package name |
| 18:18.02 | hark | basix: nah, it's ok :) |
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| 18:18.53 | basix | hark: i installed compiz-gnome, fusion-icon |
| 18:19.54 | basix | hark: i'll run that command and let u know of any errors |
| 18:20.19 | basix | hark: do i need to run that as root? |
| 18:20.27 | hark | basix: no |
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| 18:22.39 | basix | hark: heres what i get -> http://paste.debian.net/6471 |
| 18:23.06 | hark | basix: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l *compiz*" as well |
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| 18:23.22 | hark | looks broken in lenny |
| 18:24.34 | basix | hark: http://paste.debian.net/6472 |
| 18:25.59 | hark | basix: yeah, i found the bug ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483819 |
| 18:26.23 | hark | usual sid lenny transition issue |
| 18:26.41 | valdyn | poseidon: libgl1-mesa-dev is installed? |
| 18:27.33 | valdyn | poseidon: or nvidia-glx-dev |
| 18:28.03 | hark | basix: either get an older version of libcompizconfig0 from snapshot.debian.net or just remove the package for now. It works according to the bug report, but no fusion-icon then |
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| 18:33.20 | anddam | hi, how can I guess remotely what motherboard does a computer equip? |
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| 18:33.42 | milankundera | türkçe bilen bir debiancý warmi ) |
| 18:33.47 | wols_ | anddam: what for? what exactly do you need to know? |
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| 18:33.53 | wols_ | !tell milankundera about tr |
| 18:34.14 | raa | andash, lshw |
| 18:34.29 | wols_ | raa: doesn't always work, depending what he needs to know |
| 18:35.04 | anddam | wols_: guess motherboard manufacturer/model |
| 18:35.16 | wols_ | anddam: what FOR? |
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| 18:35.30 | anddam | wols_: because I CAN'T REMEMBER it |
| 18:35.48 | anddam | wols_: why shouting anyway? |
| 18:35.52 | wols_ | why would you need to know? drivers depend on pci items for example. not on mobo maker |
| 18:35.57 | wols_ | cause you are not answering the question |
| 18:36.17 | anddam | wols_: oh I am talking with a guy and I was stating I have that mobo on that box, now I wonder if that's true |
| 18:36.36 | anddam | wols_: and btw I see it's not the case as the chipset is Via rather than intel |
| 18:36.46 | wols_ | BIOS ident string is the best identifier |
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| 18:37.02 | anddam | wols_: and where can I read it? |
| 18:37.03 | wols_ | via chipset drivers depend on pci devices too. via is shitty but not ISA shitty (anymore) |
| 18:37.10 | wols_ | you've already been told |
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| 18:37.56 | anddam | wols_: I can't see where I've been told... |
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| 18:38.18 | wols_ | then maybe you need to read the backlog more carefully |
| 18:38.54 | raa | i wrote the wrong nick.. anddam, try lshw |
| 18:39.04 | anddam | wols_: I understand you're replying, and you're not obliged to, but man let me see you've an attitude |
| 18:39.21 | mutante | do you have a repository which provides flashplayer-nonfree for lenny? |
| 18:39.33 | anddam | raa: ah in fact I missed that one, I was more focusing on milankundera non-english thing |
| 18:39.44 | anddam | s/see/say/ |
| 18:39.55 | wols_ | mutante: checked non-free? |
| 18:39.56 | wols_ | !flash |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:40.06 | anddam | raa: that's like ls for hardware |
| 18:40.07 | mutante | arr, s/player/plugin |
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| 18:40.22 | mutante | wols_: yes, also non-free in sources |
| 18:40.48 | mutante | wols_: also see this guy http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-02/msg00509.html "Only 5 servers in North America have it" :p |
| 18:41.04 | wols_ | flash source. you're funny |
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| 18:41.50 | mutante | wols_: i have the line added to /etc/apt/sources.list is what i meant to say |
| 18:42.04 | wols_ | mutante: you've been just told by dpkg how to install it |
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| 18:43.10 | mutante | well, it says to use backports.org |
| 18:43.17 | mutante | i tried that before i even asked |
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| 18:43.45 | slim1 | is there how to instaling debian on CF and not write anything into CF ? |
| 18:43.51 | wols_ | no it does NOT |
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| 18:46.46 | mutante | ok, back to google |
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| 18:49.13 | asdzxc | is linux software RAID useing RAID controller or not ? |
| 18:49.21 | Nyle | no |
| 18:49.30 | asdzxc | so i completely doesn't need it ? |
| 18:49.58 | asdzxc | if it's not HW RAID |
| 18:49.59 | Nyle | im not sure, exactly what the onboard sata raid controller means on most motherboards |
| 18:50.05 | Nyle | I think thats for s/w raid |
| 18:50.18 | Nyle | I don't think you can get hw raid without an actual dedicated raid controller |
| 18:50.22 | asdzxc | yes, it's onboard raid |
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| 18:50.31 | Nyle | on windows raiding is a piece of cake |
| 18:50.45 | Nyle | linux still eludes me (ive never bothered to look it up set it up) |
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| 18:51.17 | zophy[] | which debian package do i install for git ? |
| 18:51.21 | pablo_ | hi, my gnome trash icon deisappeared. I want to try reinstalling gnome-applets. How can i do this? |
| 18:51.24 | Nyle | git-core |
| 18:51.27 | zophy[] | thanks |
| 18:51.40 | Nyle | !tell zophy[] -about search |
| 18:51.51 | zophy[] | thanks again :) |
| 18:51.54 | Nyle | sure |
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| 18:52.54 | soulchild | Hi all,... i can only hear sound with the root account,... how do i allow an other user do use sound ? |
| 18:52.56 | TheOnly | i suppose that's not the place to ask but... I'll go anyway. About 5 hours ago I finished cleaning the pc and turned it on and I noticed wine halting. I also get segmentation fault when compiling. Temperatures are normal and memtest86 passed all tests with no errors or warnings at all. What could possibly be causing the problem? |
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| 18:53.40 | TheOnly | voltages are fine too |
| 18:54.19 | pablo_ | can i reinstall a package in debian with apt? |
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| 18:54.36 | MrBrush | Is there a way to copy text from what is said in an irssi channel by hand? |
| 18:54.40 | MrBrush | so not with the mouse |
| 18:54.56 | craigevil | pablo_: yes apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 18:55.10 | pablo_ | craigevil: ok thx |
| 18:56.36 | soulchild | Hi all,... i can only hear sound with the root account,... how do i allow an other user do use sound ? |
| 18:56.47 | slim1 | while i build new customized kernel i got this error at the end of cuilding , http://phpfi.com/324242 |
| 18:56.59 | zophy[] | MrBrush, you can log everything said in irc to a file, i don't know if there are keyboard bindings to select and copy text |
| 18:57.26 | pablo_ | hi, someone having trouble with the trash icon on gnome? |
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| 18:59.07 | asdzxc | is there a way how can i install Etch via mdraid ? |
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| 19:00.47 | asdzxc | dmraid |
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| 19:01.47 | trifler | Guys what's a good battery status meter (for openbox) |
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| 19:02.17 | minerale | I downloaded the eclipse-cdt package to do C development, but I have no idea how to use it/start it |
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| 19:04.45 | Bert_2 | Hi, what is the command to create a rar archive and add one file to it with high compression (man isn't very clear) ? |
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| 19:06.15 | poseidon | valdyn, nvidia-glx-dev is installled yes (sorry for the delayed response). |
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| 19:11.11 | pablo_ | hi, can a segfault occur due to the cpu temperature? how can i check its temperature(because teh power supply is right next to the cpu and maybe it is not well cooled)? |
| 19:11.29 | Nyle | TheOnly, cleaning? |
| 19:11.39 | stack | pablo_: sensors |
| 19:11.48 | Nyle | TheOnly, software/pacakge/temp cleaning or actual physical dust removal? |
| 19:11.57 | Nyle | TheOnly, if HW go to ##hardware |
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| 19:12.12 | TheOnly | Nyle, physical |
| 19:12.25 | TheOnly | okay |
| 19:12.25 | TheOnly | 10q |
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| 19:12.29 | Nyle | then it isn't related to debian. sure |
| 19:12.36 | TheOnly | yeah i knew that <: |
| 19:12.49 | TheOnly | i took my chances |
| 19:12.51 | stack | pablo_: package lm-sensors |
| 19:13.25 | Nyle | temp1: +51.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = transistor |
| 19:13.26 | pablo_ | stack: ok thx |
| 19:13.30 | Nyle | summer time gives me high temmps |
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| 19:13.42 | Nyle | I'm running my core 2 90% overclocked, from 1866 to 3500mhz |
| 19:13.45 | maligor | pablo_, I'm not actually sure if you'd get segfaults, usually the result is halt |
| 19:13.51 | Nyle | still under load its around 50~C |
| 19:14.08 | Nyle | temp2: +55.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermal diode |
| 19:14.12 | Nyle | eep! |
| 19:14.18 | stack | maligor: in a old pc I usually get strange software errors (like segfaults) due to high temperatures |
| 19:14.37 | stack | data maybe becomes unrelyable |
| 19:14.37 | maligor | stack, I guess I'm wrong then |
| 19:14.41 | stack | don't know |
| 19:14.44 | TheOnly | i'm aroud 50 degrees cpu speed |
| 19:14.45 | stack | not sure |
| 19:14.48 | TheOnly | offf |
| 19:14.50 | TheOnly | temp* |
| 19:14.56 | maligor | usually segfaults are caused by memory errors |
| 19:14.57 | TheOnly | i just woke up |
| 19:15.01 | stack | i think there should be sort of data checksum |
| 19:15.01 | maligor | random ones that is |
| 19:15.17 | maligor | or fs corruption |
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| 19:15.23 | TheOnly | maligor, yeah that's why I was concerned about the system mem |
| 19:15.39 | TheOnly | but after 2 hours of memtest86 it showed no errors |
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| 19:15.48 | Nyle | 2 hours? |
| 19:15.49 | Nyle | not enough |
| 19:15.51 | Nyle | 2 passes |
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| 19:16.01 | Nyle | however long it takes on however much mem you have |
| 19:16.10 | TheOnly | 1.5 gigs |
| 19:16.18 | Nyle | at leat 2 full passes |
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| 19:16.50 | maligor | yeah, I recommend you leave it running for a night |
| 19:17.24 | TheOnly | i tried memtest86+ but it didnt start somehow |
| 19:17.30 | TheOnly | which appears to be quite odd |
| 19:17.43 | maligor | I can't run either on my system from grub |
| 19:18.22 | maligor | that is, if I have 4gb ram installed, with 2gb both start, work fine from a cdrom image tho, weird programs |
| 19:18.45 | TheOnly | yeah, it could be grub. before I updated it it worked fine with grub |
| 19:18.58 | TheOnly | i mean before I updated grub |
| 19:19.07 | TheOnly | too weird if you ask me <: |
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| 19:19.39 | TheOnly | though now i've been compiling for around 20 minutes and it appears to be stable |
| 19:19.48 | TheOnly | i reinserted all memory banks |
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| 19:20.20 | TheOnly | maybe it could have been some small portion of dust left behind |
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| 19:20.38 | Nyle | you wanna hear something funny |
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| 19:21.13 | Nyle | amd64 etch is stable on my cpu at 1866mhz and unstable at 3500mhz, while amd64 sid is stable at both cpu configs. 32bit is stable across all |
| 19:21.17 | Nyle | weird... |
| 19:21.34 | Nyle | on amd64 etch at 3500mhz on my core 2, I get hangs, lockups, segfaults |
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| 19:22.01 | TheOnly | very odd |
| 19:22.03 | stack | same kernel version? |
| 19:22.15 | stack | i bet no :) |
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| 19:22.21 | Nyle | of course not |
| 19:22.33 | Nyle | amd64/sid is newer, more developed kernel |
| 19:22.34 | stack | that's the reason I thinks |
| 19:22.44 | stack | without s |
| 19:22.45 | stack | :) |
| 19:22.51 | Nyle | you think without s? |
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| 19:23.00 | stack | sometimes |
| 19:23.01 | Nyle | zoup instead of soup :) |
| 19:23.03 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:23.03 | stack | :) |
| 19:23.42 | Nyle | but other than that |
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| 19:23.59 | Nyle | I mean how is cpu clock making that happen? |
| 19:24.10 | Nyle | is it too much/fast for the software to handle? |
| 19:24.22 | stack | maybe , on a overclocked unsable machine , etch feels disturbed...so hangs up :P |
| 19:24.32 | Nyle | machine is stable |
| 19:24.54 | stack | overclocking means border line to stability |
| 19:24.55 | Nyle | 35-45 C but in summer around 50-55 |
| 19:25.16 | stack | you have a machine that is designed, tested , for a certain frequency |
| 19:25.18 | stack | so... |
| 19:25.20 | Nyle | not bad. (considering this is under full load while downloading compiling, music, background services etc. etc.) aka full load |
| 19:25.44 | Nyle | I designed it myself, pcked the compnents myself too |
| 19:25.57 | TheOnly | btw I noticed mbmon reporting wrong temperatures |
| 19:26.00 | Nyle | its optimally configured (overclocking is an art) |
| 19:26.01 | stack | good ingeneer :P |
| 19:26.05 | Nyle | ll |
| 19:26.08 | Nyle | enginerer |
| 19:26.14 | Nyle | engineer |
| 19:26.18 | TheOnly | around 9 degrees lower than those reported by the bios |
| 19:26.21 | Nyle | no man just a pc guy |
| 19:26.24 | stack | yes that you said |
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| 19:26.40 | TheOnly | at least for the CPU |
| 19:26.54 | TheOnly | mainboard temperature appears to be reported accurately |
| 19:26.59 | Nyle | I wanna play 3d games so bad |
| 19:27.01 | Nyle | but I can't! |
| 19:27.02 | pablo_ | hi, who told me about lm-sesnors? |
| 19:27.06 | stack | me |
| 19:27.07 | Nyle | I am afraid to try fglrx !! |
| 19:27.12 | Nyle | very very afraid |
| 19:27.51 | TheOnly | hm.. 30 minutes of compiling with no segfault |
| 19:27.52 | TheOnly | nice |
| 19:27.54 | pablo_ | stack: are this values ok? http://pastebin.com/m5b8450cb |
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| 19:28.38 | stack | pablo_: |
| 19:28.39 | stack | line 7 |
| 19:28.40 | TheOnly | i wonder if there's a way to forcely fill up the memory |
| 19:28.41 | stack | -12V: +0.63 V (min = -8.08 V, max = +4.75 V) |
| 19:28.52 | stack | mh no |
| 19:28.56 | stack | I was joking |
| 19:28.56 | stack | :D |
| 19:29.05 | stack | anyway |
| 19:29.12 | stack | there are reported min and max temp |
| 19:29.16 | stack | so make your conclusion |
| 19:29.17 | stack | s |
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| 19:29.24 | stack | (this time with s) |
| 19:29.26 | stack | ehhehe |
| 19:29.54 | pablo_ | stack: whats wrong with line 7? |
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| 19:29.59 | stack | nothinkg |
| 19:30.12 | stack | I saw something that wasn't there |
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| 19:30.22 | Nyle | enouf, crackhead |
| 19:30.38 | Nyle | pokes enouf |
| 19:30.42 | Nyle | oye! |
| 19:30.43 | enouf | yo yo ma |
| 19:30.50 | Nyle | ohmygod I thought you said yo mama |
| 19:30.51 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:31.03 | enouf | !crackerhead Nyle |
| 19:31.25 | Nyle | fuone shaddup |
| 19:31.35 | pablo_ | stack: temp1 is very high? |
| 19:31.37 | Nyle | hey man its saturday and im bored |
| 19:31.46 | Nyle | how come no one has any debian problems right now |
| 19:31.59 | zophy[] | quickly looks behind himself |
| 19:32.02 | stack | pablo_: no is normal, even low |
| 19:32.13 | Nyle | zophy[], paranoid much? |
| 19:32.21 | Nyle | zophy[], spend time in prison recently? |
| 19:32.23 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:32.28 | Nyle | j/k man, j/k |
| 19:32.46 | zophy[] | i see shadow people |
| 19:32.52 | pablo_ | stack: ahh, so it is everything ok? |
| 19:32.57 | Nyle | wow really,I see dead people. |
| 19:33.16 | stack | pablo_: how many fans are there on you mobo? |
| 19:33.18 | stack | your |
| 19:33.27 | zophy[] | i thinki we swee the same people |
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| 19:33.34 | stack | Nyle: I know a good doctor :) |
| 19:34.04 | Nyle | stack, my dad is pretty high up in the APA |
| 19:34.04 | Nyle | I got access to some of the best doctors in the world, but I don't think I need any |
| 19:34.05 | zophy[] | stack, ooooooh, prescription drugs :) |
| 19:34.07 | stack | Nyle: or a good undertaker :) |
| 19:34.11 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 19:34.19 | Nyle | you evil bastidge |
| 19:34.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:34.27 | pablo_ | stack: the one that came with the cpu only (well and the one inside the power supply) |
| 19:34.40 | stack | pablo_: so I thinks that's all ok |
| 19:34.43 | stack | :) |
| 19:34.47 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 19:34.47 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 19:34.51 | pablo_ | stack: great thanks |
| 19:35.04 | zophy[] | is factoid a real word ? |
| 19:35.06 | stack | n |
| 19:35.08 | stack | np |
| 19:35.12 | Nyle | !dict factoid |
| 19:35.13 | dpkg | Dictionary 'factoid' (2): a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item ;; something resembling a fact; unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print. |
| 19:35.22 | Nyle | yes apparantly |
| 19:35.25 | stack | wt is factorid? |
| 19:35.34 | zophy[] | is !dict a real dictionary ? |
| 19:35.43 | Nyle | it looks like it |
| 19:35.46 | stack | !dict banana |
| 19:35.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'banana' (1 of 4): elongated crescent-shaped yellow fruit with soft sweet flesh. |
| 19:35.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:35.54 | stack | wow |
| 19:35.58 | aleksanteri | haha |
| 19:36.01 | aleksanteri | !dict Debian |
| 19:36.02 | Nyle | you thought of lookin up a banana |
| 19:36.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'Debian' <operating system> /deb'ee`n/, *not* /deeb'ee`n/ The non-profit volunteer organisation responsible for Debian {GNU}/{Linux} and Debian {GNU}/{Hurd}. Debian's {Linux} distribution is dedicated to free and {open source} software; the main goal of the distribution is to ensure that one can download and install a fully-functional {operating system} that is completely adherent to the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG). Debian was ... |
| 19:36.05 | zophy[] | my wife is a banana |
| 19:36.09 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
| 19:36.09 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:36.18 | aleksanteri | haha |
| 19:36.25 | stack | zophy[]: hahaha |
| 19:36.41 | Nyle | zophy[], you fornicate with a banana? |
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| 19:36.44 | Nyle | kinky. |
| 19:36.51 | rahul | your wife is a chinese girl with scoliosis? |
| 19:36.52 | stack | brrrrr |
| 19:36.52 | Nyle | is cracking up |
| 19:36.59 | Nyle | ya'll are crazy man |
| 19:37.01 | zophy[] | Nyle, only the soft sensual ones |
| 19:37.05 | stack | don't wanna know why do you think is kynky |
| 19:37.06 | stack | :\ |
| 19:37.08 | Nyle | haha enough man hahaha |
| 19:37.11 | Nyle | ohhh geez |
| 19:37.12 | rahul | or wait... friut... so it's a boy |
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| 19:37.36 | Nyle | !luhar |
| 19:37.36 | dpkg | Luhar, son of Mogar, son of Wintar, daughter of Gabar, bastard of Dibar. It is rumored that Luhar's great-great-great-(*20) grandson, Rahul son of none, uses Lindows. |
| 19:37.50 | rahul | heh. lindows. |
| 19:38.07 | rahul | my fonts are all wacky |
| 19:38.16 | rahul | I can't find vera sans mono :\ |
| 19:38.20 | stack | wjhshhashsa |
| 19:38.41 | rahul | damn it. the wad of tissue I put in my ear last night is still there |
| 19:38.56 | rahul | gets his earplugs out so he doesn't forget them again |
| 19:39.01 | Nyle | dpkg luhar is also a folk pakistani/indian singer with huge iron tongs and he plays it like an instrument. Also it is an iron smith. Luhar is rahul backwards. rahul backwards is ... fifty bucks |
| 19:39.01 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 19:39.22 | Nyle | hahaha ;) |
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| 19:39.44 | Tapout | I'm trying to source compile .. mysql 5.1.25. For some strange reason.. 'make test' will not successfully run. http://www.pastebin.ca/1048015 .. then I've got a lenny local install that i've source compiled and 'make test' works locally. Anyone spot the issue? |
| 19:39.56 | rahul | heh |
| 19:40.12 | Nyle | rahul, you should come over |
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| 19:40.32 | Nyle | just get on the train i'll pick up you from flushing |
| 19:40.33 | wols_ | Tapout: why aren't you using a debian package? |
| 19:40.44 | rahul | a friend is directing a play at 8 |
| 19:40.47 | Nyle | Tapout, compile from source using debian cpakge ? |
| 19:40.48 | Nyle | maybe |
| 19:41.06 | Nyle | if you must modify source, get the deb-src package and modify it and compile it how you want |
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| 19:41.40 | Tapout | wols, I tried to use the mysql 5.1 package found on lenny ... on etch and it had dependancy problems ... I fixed one, another popped... and so on |
| 19:41.55 | Nyle | Tapout, oh here maybe this might help |
| 19:41.55 | zophy[] | how can I as an up and coming gnu/linux/debian expert become known and respected in the debian community ? |
| 19:41.58 | Nyle | !backports |
| 19:41.58 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 19:42.10 | Tapout | I've checked backports, nothing for 5.1 |
| 19:42.12 | rahul | zophy[]: do stuff that people will know and respect you for |
| 19:42.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 19:42.23 | wols_ | Tapout: "fixed" dependency how? |
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| 19:42.50 | Nyle | zophy[], work on react os and make it useable and popular |
| 19:42.55 | Nyle | another great windows replacement |
| 19:43.04 | rahul | damn, my neck and shoulders hurt |
| 19:43.04 | Nyle | with windows binary compat.nativley |
| 19:43.06 | wols_ | Tapout: you can just edit the dependencies line and make it use less dependencies (if standard mysql source compiles under etch) |
| 19:43.13 | Tapout | wols, by looking at the list of dependancies found on the website, navigating to it... saving the url, wget'n it.. dpkg -i it, and then retry the lenny mysql 5.1 package.. another dependency came up ... |
| 19:43.14 | ghostknife | How can I instruct apt to remove any temporary files? like those downloaded by apt-get (one I cancelled halfway) ? |
| 19:43.20 | Nyle | rahul, shouldn't be givin all that much head |
| 19:43.21 | Nyle | ... |
| 19:43.23 | rahul | heh |
| 19:43.27 | wols_ | Tapout: that's a bad way to solve them |
| 19:43.27 | rahul | Nyle: BANG |
| 19:43.39 | wols_ | Tapout: edit the (version) dependencies directly |
| 19:44.34 | Tapout | wols, if it says it needs like... libreadline 2.5 .. and etch has 2.4 (example).. won't it break it? |
| 19:44.35 | wols_ | Tapout: installing any binary from testing to etch is usually the bad way |
| 19:44.47 | tim_s | ghostknife: apt-get clean |
| 19:44.48 | Nyle | rahul, blackmetal.com |
| 19:44.55 | wols_ | Tapout: not if you rewrite the dependency to libreadline 2.4 |
| 19:44.57 | Nyle | rahul, #music |
| 19:45.04 | rahul | meh |
| 19:45.06 | rahul | I gotta clean my apt |
| 19:45.09 | rahul | and pee |
| 19:45.18 | zophy[] | Nyle, ok, applications and OS's should be independent of each other |
| 19:45.24 | wols_ | there is a low chance it breaks, but then you gotta backport the libreadlin 2.5.lenny. but such things are rare |
| 19:45.41 | Nyle | zophy[], so make an os that can every all sorts of binaries natively |
| 19:45.45 | Nyle | then you'd be the biggest dude in the world |
| 19:45.48 | Nyle | seriously |
| 19:45.56 | wols_ | Nyle: is this in any way debian related? |
| 19:46.06 | Nyle | I dunno, ask that other dude |
| 19:46.13 | Nyle | I'm bored and just answering random questions |
| 19:46.15 | wols_ | I ask YOU since you answer it that way |
| 19:46.16 | Nyle | leave me alone. |
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| 19:46.47 | wols_ | zophy[]: look up "debian google summer of code" |
| 19:46.53 | zophy[] | Nyle, binary independence is the goal of script and binary independence |
| 19:46.57 | fredrik | Does anyone know a good front-end to iptables? |
| 19:47.04 | Nyle | zophy[], take it to #osdesigntalk |
| 19:47.12 | paulthewalrus | @fredrik i use firestarter |
| 19:47.14 | rahul | fredrik: bash, or maybe zsh |
| 19:47.40 | Nyle | fredrik of hollywood |
| 19:47.42 | Nyle | hehe :) |
| 19:47.45 | zophy[] | i use my keyboard to interface to iptables |
| 19:47.59 | tim_s | fredrik: fwbuilder |
| 19:48.01 | Nyle | zophy[], do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:48.04 | rahul | it's a little late to get involved in GSoC |
| 19:48.17 | wols_ | fredrik: apt-cache search iptables. there are several |
| 19:48.19 | zophy[] | Nyle, who wrote debian ? |
| 19:48.32 | rahul | debian isn't "written" |
| 19:48.34 | Nyle | thousands of people contributed |
| 19:48.36 | wols_ | rahul: I doubt they deny any help |
| 19:48.40 | rahul | it's a collection of different things |
| 19:48.40 | Nyle | hundreds of people wrote debian |
| 19:48.49 | wols_ | zophy[]: do you have a debian support question? |
| 19:48.54 | rahul | wols_: well, you're not supposed to make it a group effort |
| 19:49.01 | rahul | wols_: google's rules |
| 19:49.46 | rahul | wols_: he could help with the projects that google didn't choose to fund, but only mentors can easily see that list |
| 19:49.46 | zophy[] | wols_, does debian support ati s-video input ? |
| 19:50.06 | Nyle | if you can run your video card on the ati/radeon driver |
| 19:50.09 | Nyle | I think so yes |
| 19:50.12 | rahul | input? |
| 19:50.22 | rahul | input isn't the normal video driver... that would use v4l |
| 19:50.34 | wols_ | zophy[]: apt-cace search gatos |
| 19:50.40 | zophy[] | hmm |
| 19:50.44 | rahul | and "ati" isn't a single video in chpi |
| 19:50.46 | Nyle | !dict gatos |
| 19:50.47 | dpkg | could not find definition for gatos |
| 19:51.01 | rahul | you need to find the driver for the chip you have on the specific card you have |
| 19:51.02 | Nyle | dpkg gatos is spanish for cats... lots of cat |
| 19:51.03 | dpkg | ...but gatos is already something else... |
| 19:51.07 | Nyle | !gatos |
| 19:51.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gatos is told ansong about gatos ([gatos] tv tuner software for ati tv tuners in unix at http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/, or http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/SUSE71toPBG3/) |
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| 19:51.10 | paulthewalrus | you don't need gatos, the open source ati driver support 3d and TV out in the current version |
| 19:51.19 | rahul | paulthewalrus: in, not out |
| 19:51.23 | Nyle | dpkg gatos is also spanish for cats... lots of cats |
| 19:51.23 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 19:51.43 | wols_ | Nyle: please stop that! |
| 19:51.46 | paulthewalrus | oh, then you need ivtv or whatver that's called |
| 19:51.49 | Nyle | wols_, ? |
| 19:51.58 | rahul | paulthewalrus: and since when did the open source ati driver support 3d on any card that was manufactured in the past 5 years? |
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| 19:52.11 | wols_ | Nyle: your DB pollution. if you are stoned as usual, use anothre place and not a support channel |
| 19:52.25 | paulthewalrus | sure it does, my ati radeon 9000 |
| 19:52.25 | Nyle | wow I'm actually ahving to say this to wols |
| 19:52.28 | Nyle | but fuck off. |
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| 19:52.30 | wols_ | rahul: since ati released specs |
| 19:52.40 | Nyle | wols_, its not stable atm |
| 19:52.44 | wols_ | Nyle: stop your non debian talk or talk elsewhere |
| 19:53.02 | rahul | wols_: where is the current state of the drivers documented? |
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| 19:53.18 | Nyle | wols_, why don't you stop YOUR nondebian talk and take it elsewhere |
| 19:53.19 | zophy[] | Nyle, do you have any pictures on the web about this "fuck off" |
| 19:53.25 | Nyle | zophy[], go away. |
| 19:53.51 | dondelelcaro | Nyle, wols_: can both of you please drop it and/or ignore eachother? thanks. |
| 19:54.02 | wols_ | rahul: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2008-June/000585.html |
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| 19:54.35 | SPF | where can I find ntpupdate? |
| 19:54.36 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: is this an OT channel now? |
| 19:54.44 | wols_ | !tell SPF about search |
| 19:54.57 | paulthewalrus | i think you need to get ntp from unstable now |
| 19:54.59 | rahul | SPF: huh? what is that? install ntp-client |
| 19:55.08 | paulthewalrus | they took it our of testing |
| 19:55.15 | dondelelcaro | SPF: you're probably looking for ntpdate, actually, but /msg dpkg set the time |
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| 19:55.28 | rahul | er ntp-simple, rather |
| 19:55.56 | dondelelcaro | wols_: obviously not, but attacking others isn't appropriate, even if they are off topic. |
| 19:56.08 | [T]ank | I just changed from ubuntu to debian. In ubuntu i had a proprietary driver tool that would configure my ati driver card so that I had the command aticonfig. How do I do this in debian? |
| 19:56.12 | Nyle | wols_, sorry for cussing you out |
| 19:56.16 | Nyle | you have a valid point. my bad. |
| 19:56.16 | wols_ | I did not attack, I simply said him he is OT but he persisted |
| 19:56.24 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: xrandr |
| 19:56.35 | paulthewalrus | i think tank wants aticonfig |
| 19:56.41 | [T]ank | yeah |
| 19:56.46 | rahul | [T]ank: why do you need the proprietary drivers? |
| 19:56.58 | [T]ank | i need to do dual screen desktop with ati video card |
| 19:57.06 | [T]ank | aticonfig has always worked the best for me... |
| 19:57.07 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: from lenny on aticonfig and the proprietary drivers are not required at all. They aren't really even required in stable. |
| 19:57.10 | Nyle | your bullshit is no reason for me to let go of decency. anyway. |
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| 19:57.30 | [T]ank | makes no difference to me... how should i go about getting my dual screens? |
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| 19:57.43 | streuner | haha |
| 19:57.43 | zophy[] | Nyle, go white boy go |
| 19:57.44 | dondelelcaro | wols_, Nyle: please spend the next 10 minutes reflecting on what I asked of you, please. |
| 19:57.49 | zophy[] | ! |
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| 19:58.06 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: xrandr --output VGA1 --leftof VGA2; for example. |
| 19:58.20 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: use xrandr; by itself if you're not sure what outputs you have available |
| 19:58.30 | rahul | zophy[]: I wouldn't gloat much if I were you. you might draw attention and then dondelelcaro will know why this bullshit is really happening. |
| 19:58.35 | streuner | Nyle, wols: he don't like discussions, how long do you need to unterstand that :-) |
| 19:58.37 | [T]ank | dondelelcaro: that is how i enable the second screen? |
| 19:58.58 | dondelelcaro | folks, if you need to have a meta discussion, please do it in #debian-offtopic or similar. |
| 19:59.03 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: yes. |
| 19:59.12 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: or use other xrandr commands as appropriate |
| 19:59.19 | [T]ank | ok... cool, last question to get me up to speed again then... |
| 19:59.35 | [T]ank | the install did not detect my built in wireless card... ubuntu did... how can i get this back |
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| 19:59.45 | [T]ank | 0b:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 19:59.49 | zophy[] | rahul, you are a smart person, and i appreciate your observations |
| 19:59.59 | blameless | [T]ank: you have to install the firmware for that card most likely |
| 20:00.10 | paulthewalrus | i have the 2100 |
| 20:00.25 | paulthewalrus | or maybe i do have 2200, but you do need firmware |
| 20:00.31 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: install firmware-iwlwifi or firmware-ipw3945 |
| 20:00.45 | [T]ank | paulthewalrus: which one is it? |
| 20:01.05 | dondelelcaro | [T]ank: we ship the firmware in non-free, which you can easily install. |
| 20:01.24 | rahul | shouldn't he have ipw2200-modules-2.6-<whatever>? |
| 20:01.26 | [T]ank | ahh... i found the ipw2200... that would be it wouldnt it? |
| 20:01.36 | paulthewalrus | i don't know its on my other machine, but i remember having to compile the ieee81000 module or something |
| 20:01.37 | amphi | [T]ank: and ipw2200 fw |
| 20:01.57 | [T]ank | ok, all that is here in apt is the ipw2200 domues. |
| 20:02.01 | [T]ank | moduels |
| 20:02.10 | rahul | you probably need to add non-free |
| 20:02.23 | [T]ank | will try that... |
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| 20:02.56 | trifler | What's a good cli-musicplayer (mp3) |
| 20:02.57 | rahul | wait. why on earth am I interacting with newbies in here? |
| 20:03.07 | streuner | mpg321 |
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| 20:04.10 | streuner | feel free to leave |
| 20:04.21 | [T]ank | ok, i added non-free... still only see modules. |
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| 20:04.39 | ay^ | trifler: mp3blaster is good enough |
| 20:04.59 | trifler | ay^: want something wih the ability to make a playlist |
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| 20:05.17 | DevinHester | my graphic card on my laptop has a temperature of around 60 degress celsius......if I don't work and a bit more, if I do something .....................is that much to high? |
| 20:05.42 | ay^ | trifler: yeah.. you can do that in mp3blaster |
| 20:05.42 | fjfalcon | hello all, i have ftp server. i need to create there link to my ftp server, but with another port - how to do this? |
| 20:05.46 | streuner | stuff of laptops are a little bit hot always |
| 20:06.11 | paulthewalrus | @Tank:, you did apt-get upgrade and you have main contrib non-free enabled? |
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| 20:06.18 | dondelelcaro | DevinHester: that's not really that hot |
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| 20:06.46 | streuner | check out manufactor values and if its in the range of normal |
| 20:07.10 | DevinHester | dondelelcaro: what do you think is the maximum one should have? |
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| 20:07.28 | jcm | hi, is there a way to see a whole bind zone for a domain ? said differently, is there a way to know all existing subdomains of a domain ? |
| 20:07.47 | dondelelcaro | DevinHester: depends on the chip and what it's doing. |
| 20:07.59 | DevinHester | streuner: I'll look for it |
| 20:08.02 | dondelelcaro | jcm: if someone allows zone transfers you can, otherwise, no. |
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| 20:08.29 | \amethyst | jcm: doing so, even if they allow it, can get you in serious trouble |
| 20:09.12 | dustybin | does the reiser file system still exist? is it still in development? |
| 20:09.12 | paulthewalrus | does anyone know if it would be possible to reverse ssh into a Tivo |
| 20:09.14 | Nyle | so I have no other options besides fglrx for 3d |
| 20:09.18 | jcm | dondelelcaro: so it's true that using a subdomain for mail addresses can reduce spam because they cannot guess the subdomain ? |
| 20:09.30 | dan2 | jcm: not really |
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| 20:09.40 | Nyle | I still wanna know if a video driver can scew up an lcd display (causing it stuck pixels) |
| 20:09.42 | dan2 | most spammers use scrapers |
| 20:09.46 | Nyle | which doesn't happen under radeonhd |
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| 20:10.22 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 20:10.23 | dustybin | http://www.idiom.com/~beverly/hans_resume.html |
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| 20:10.38 | \amethyst | jcm: what dan2 is saying is that, the moment one of those email addresses appears on the web, spammers know about the subdomain |
| 20:11.11 | \amethyst | maybe not 'the moment', but soon and inevitably thereafter :) |
| 20:11.29 | dondelelcaro | jcm: no |
| 20:11.59 | dondelelcaro | jcm: if anyone ever sends you mail, your address is knowable. |
| 20:12.18 | dondelelcaro | there are way, way better methods of reducing spam than hiding addresses |
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| 20:13.17 | pipeline | yes, but hiding addresses doesn't hurt :P |
| 20:13.50 | pipeline | dustybin: ReiserFS still works on modern kernels. There's a group of people who are at least keeping it buildable against new kernels. I don't think there's any meaningful development work on it beyond maintenance, though. |
| 20:14.03 | pipeline | dustybin: with Reiser and his employees outta work, I don't see a lot of future for that project. |
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| 20:14.24 | dustybin | ok |
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| 20:15.30 | wedge | pipeline: only fs that supports the extensions "murder-your-wife" |
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| 20:16.29 | pipeline | wedge: Close but no cigar |
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| 20:16.44 | pipeline | wedge: Think "wife partitions" and work from there |
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| 20:17.30 | wedge | shred /dev/wife |
| 20:19.07 | [T]ank | so i have downloaded the ipw2200 firmware and placed the directory into /lib/firmware what else do i need to do to get my wireless card working/ |
| 20:19.38 | [T]ank | followed the instructions from /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 20:19.47 | wols_ | pipeline: reiser4 is still in development |
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| 20:20.03 | jelly-home | wols_: where? namesys.com is kinda dead |
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| 20:20.15 | Cufaf | hii |
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| 20:20.19 | wols_ | volunteers, partly made up of former namesys employees |
| 20:20.28 | Ward1983 | if i want to isntall debian and i want to use optical spdif to output audio but analog input to input audio at the same time, is that possible? |
| 20:20.30 | paulthewalrus | you need to compile the ipw2200 module and the ieee80211 modules |
| 20:20.34 | Ward1983 | is that easy to setup? |
| 20:20.38 | Nyle | Google Toolbar for Firefox 3.0.20070525L could not be installed because it is not compatible with Iceweasel 3.0. |
| 20:20.44 | Nyle | fan freakin tastic |
| 20:20.45 | Cufaf | i search a Video editor.. i wanto make a vieo with mp3 mix. |
| 20:20.57 | wols_ | jelly-home: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/edward/reiser4/reiser4-for-2.6/ |
| 20:21.17 | paulthewalrus | @Tank:, you can compile both of those modules through module-assistant |
| 20:21.29 | craigevil | Nyle: have you changed the user.agent to Firefox? |
| 20:21.36 | Nyle | craigevil, USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008060909 Firefox/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-1) |
| 20:21.40 | Nyle | yes I did, still no luck |
| 20:21.42 | wols_ | paulthewalrus: do you know what kernel version he uses? |
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| 20:21.55 | [T]ank | paulthewalrus: where do i find that? |
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| 20:22.10 | paulthewalrus | sudo apt-get install module-assistant |
| 20:22.10 | Cufaf | Nyle: you can say me one program for mpeg and mp3 mix (video editor? ) |
| 20:22.18 | Nyle | general.useragent.extra.firefox;Firefox/3.0 |
| 20:22.24 | Nyle | kino? |
| 20:22.30 | Cufaf | kino? |
| 20:22.33 | Nyle | yes |
| 20:22.38 | Nyle | !info kino |
| 20:22.39 | Cufaf | its making edit? |
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| 20:22.45 | Nyle | yes I believe so |
| 20:22.55 | Nyle | Gnea had much luck with it producing his own video content |
| 20:23.02 | dpkg | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 1.3.0-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 4602 kB, Installed size: 8724 kB |
| 20:23.04 | Nyle | few years back |
| 20:23.06 | paulthewalrus | @Tank:, once you install module-assistant you must use sudo m-a prepare |
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| 20:24.19 | [T]ank | paulthewalrus:http://pastebin.ca/1048071 |
| 20:24.23 | Nyle | craigevil, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008060909 Firefox/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-1) <-- according to iceweasel > menubar > help > about |
| 20:24.52 | craigevil | i havent messed with iw3, i use too many extensions to risk them breaking |
| 20:24.54 | Nyle | still it will not allow me to install google toolbar |
| 20:25.06 | Nyle | hehe me too but I said fuck it lets go for it all |
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| 20:25.46 | craigevil | hell change it to Firefox/2.0 and see what happens or try using Nightly tester Tools and force it |
| 20:26.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:26.29 | Nyle | I thought pretty surely that google tbar supported assweasel 3.0 |
| 20:26.35 | Nyle | ff3 I meant |
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| 20:27.08 | Nyle | google should make its extention check for firefox and its forks, no? |
| 20:27.36 | craigevil | An official build of Mozilla Firefox |
| 20:28.03 | Nyle | obviously right now, but it shoould be good to make it check for ice whatever |
| 20:28.09 | Nyle | the gnu one and the debian one |
| 20:28.19 | Nyle | and/or any other mozilla rebrands |
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| 20:28.20 | ay^ | iceowl :) |
| 20:28.30 | TheOnly | lol it takes around a minute for haskell to calculate 88995^99242 while it takes only 0.5 sec for php with GMP |
| 20:28.32 | TheOnly | cool :P |
| 20:28.41 | craigevil | its always work in iw 2.0 |
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| 20:29.35 | Cufaf | Nyle: |
| 20:29.36 | paulthewalrus | @Tank:, yeah, you're going to have to download the ieee80211 tarball from their sourceforge site and compile it manually |
| 20:29.48 | Cufaf | thanx for help uheuheuh |
| 20:30.06 | Nyle | Cufaf, you like kino? |
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| 20:30.28 | wols_ | paulthewalrus: why? |
| 20:30.45 | Cufaf | Nyle: its all right .. but now import mpeg but how can i add it i dont know :) uheuheuh |
| 20:30.47 | paulthewalrus | i'm pretty sure the ipw2200 depends on that package |
| 20:30.47 | Cufaf | i try it |
| 20:30.56 | Nyle | Cufaf, I have never used it |
| 20:30.58 | loevborg | I'm in an experimenting frame of mind. Does anyone have a ipv6 address or tunnel? |
| 20:31.01 | Cufaf | xD |
| 20:31.03 | Cufaf | uheuheuheuh |
| 20:31.16 | wols_ | paulthewalrus: ipw2200 is in etch |
| 20:31.17 | Cufaf | rally how did you know kino is editor? |
| 20:31.18 | Cufaf | xD |
| 20:31.26 | Nyle | Cufaf, I'm psycho |
| 20:31.31 | Nyle | er.. |
| 20:31.33 | Nyle | psychic |
| 20:31.35 | Cufaf | xD |
| 20:31.42 | Cufaf | uheuhe |
| 20:31.57 | wols_ | paulthewalrus: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 20:31.58 | Cufaf | i hoppe i can add to mp3 :S |
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| 20:32.13 | paulthewalrus | @wols, last time i built it, it relied on that module, |
| 20:32.13 | wols_ | so all he needs is the firmware and loading the module |
| 20:32.14 | Nyle | Cufaf, you should be able to, the person I knew you used kino added songs |
| 20:32.30 | Nyle | Cufaf, he recorded himself driving around town and put music to it, with kino. |
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| 20:32.32 | wols_ | paulthewalrus: it is in the etch default kernel, compiled in already. there is no building |
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| 20:32.50 | paulthewalrus | it's in the kernel? |
| 20:33.00 | wols_ | yes it is. the default etch install kernel |
| 20:33.24 | wols_ | he _can_ compile his own version if he wants to but it's in no way necessary |
| 20:33.35 | paulthewalrus | if it's in the kernel then it should work |
| 20:33.41 | paulthewalrus | why isn't it |
| 20:33.46 | [T]ank | so... i have the firmware in /lib/firmware/ipw2200-3.0/ |
| 20:33.56 | [T]ank | and then i did a modprobe ipw2200 |
| 20:33.58 | wols_ | and especially getting ieee80211 from a sf.net site compared to using the kernel one is simply... foolish |
| 20:34.19 | paulthewalrus | well, if it's in the kernel |
| 20:34.22 | paulthewalrus | then depmod -a |
| 20:34.30 | paulthewalrus | iwconfig |
| 20:34.36 | wols_ | there is no depmod to do eihter. it's already in the kernel |
| 20:34.41 | paulthewalrus | you need to be root for all that |
| 20:34.43 | wols_ | and comes with the kernel package |
| 20:35.14 | [T]ank | do you ever feel like the patient at the hospital and the doctors are all talking about you like you arent even there :-D |
| 20:35.38 | wols_ | [T]ank: then read the dpkg factoid next time please |
| 20:35.49 | ay^ | [T]ank: haha |
| 20:36.03 | [T]ank | wols_: the one you sent me? |
| 20:36.11 | wols_ | yes |
| 20:36.20 | ajonat | Hi! one question: what's /boot/abi-2.6.24-blahblah for? |
| 20:36.28 | [T]ank | i did what it said |
| 20:36.40 | wols_ | [T]ank: if you did you wouldn't ask what you have asked |
| 20:36.49 | [T]ank | downloaded and untared it to the /lib/firmware directory |
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| 20:37.03 | [T]ank | that cant be all i need to do is it? |
| 20:37.12 | wols_ | [T]ank: there is more than just that |
| 20:37.27 | wols_ | but you need to read it ALL. not just parts |
| 20:38.03 | wols_ | [T]ank: what version is your ipw2200 module? |
| 20:38.16 | [T]ank | 1.2 |
| 20:38.24 | wols_ | so why did you get the 3.0 firmware? |
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| 20:39.58 | [T]ank | thats the way i read the instructions... "driver versions v1.1.1 and newer firmware v3.0" |
| 20:41.17 | anddam | shouldn't linux-headers be configure for the relative kernel image? |
| 20:41.38 | wols_ | anddam: they do |
| 20:41.58 | wols_ | [T]ank: so what happens when you load the driver? |
| 20:42.01 | anddam | I'm getting 'CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT' undeclared here (not in a function) error and from what I found on web it's due to non configured kernel source |
| 20:42.18 | [T]ank | wols_: hang on... starting from scratch |
| 20:42.24 | wols_ | anddam: where did you get your kernel headers? what package name and what does uname -a? |
| 20:42.31 | wols_ | *does uname -a say |
| 20:42.32 | amphi | [T]ank: it didn't untar into a subdir of /lib/firmware/ ? |
| 20:43.03 | anddam | Linux bardeau 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:43.18 | wols_ | anddam: and your kernel header package? |
| 20:43.28 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 20:43.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep linux-header |
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| 20:44.28 | dryrot | can anyone tell me why apt-get would hang like this ?: http://pastebin.com/d5a840fbf |
| 20:44.29 | anddam | wols_: only |
| 20:44.30 | anddam | ii linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 20:44.43 | [T]ank | wols_: after downloading the 1.2 version driver here is what I have done: http://pastebin.ca/1048091 |
| 20:44.45 | wols_ | anddam: looks alright |
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| 20:44.56 | anddam | wols_: that's what I tought |
| 20:45.29 | amphi | [T]ank: is the fw in /lib/firmware/ ? |
| 20:45.36 | [T]ank | yes |
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| 20:46.09 | anddam | wols_: there is linux-headers-2.6.18-6 too, I think it's a dependency on the former |
| 20:46.23 | BluntObject | Hi all |
| 20:46.39 | amphi | [T]ank: so modprobe -r ipw2200 and modprobe it again, and see what messages you get |
| 20:46.47 | BluntObject | Does anyone here run Debian on HP dv9000z (AMD Turion X2) processor system? |
| 20:47.21 | wols_ | !tell BluntObject about anyone |
| 20:47.36 | wols_ | [T]ank: check your dmesg output |
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| 20:47.48 | BluntObject | I installed KVM and while trying to install a client my laptop locks up solid. |
| 20:47.51 | [T]ank | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/1048095 |
| 20:48.03 | [T]ank | ipw2200: probe of 0000:0b:02.0 failed with error -5 |
| 20:48.51 | wols_ | [T]ank: this is all that's in dmesg? |
| 20:49.01 | [T]ank | no... let me copy and paste the whole thing |
| 20:49.03 | dustybin | who will be first to support h.264 GPU decoding on linux, Intel, AMD/ATI, Nvidia ? |
| 20:49.05 | wols_ | BluntObject: what client? what does it do? |
| 20:49.13 | BluntObject | I tried to pass nommconf to the kernel, but no help. |
| 20:49.30 | wols_ | BluntObject: is this "client" a kernel driver? |
| 20:49.42 | BluntObject | dustybin: I wonder! |
| 20:49.54 | BluntObject | wols_: No, the host kernel |
| 20:50.31 | wols_ | BluntObject: what "the host kernel"? |
| 20:50.38 | [T]ank | wols_: here is a good section of it: http://pastebin.ca/1048099 |
| 20:51.02 | enouf | dustybin: none of the above, VIA |
| 20:51.07 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make /dev and /proc available in a chroot? |
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| 20:51.12 | wols_ | [T]ank: # |
| 20:51.13 | wols_ | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 20:51.26 | wols_ | [T]ank: you have your firmware in a /lib/firmware/ subdir and that's bad |
| 20:51.32 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: mount --bind each |
| 20:51.34 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: bind mount |
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| 20:52.22 | [T]ank | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1048100 |
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| 20:53.01 | wols_ | [T]ank: whatever. the driver has a "file not found" for the firmware |
| 20:53.11 | [T]ank | i get that... how do i fix it |
| 20:53.22 | HardDisk_WP | bind -t procfs /proc /chroot/proc? |
| 20:53.23 | [T]ank | is that not the right directry? |
| 20:53.37 | [T]ank | are those not the right files? |
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| 20:54.24 | anddam | bye |
| 20:54.48 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, wols_ : mount --bind -t procfs /proc /chroot/proc? |
| 20:55.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: mount --bind /proc /target/proc |
| 20:55.22 | HardDisk_WP | ok thanks |
| 20:55.24 | [T]ank | wols_: where am i mistaken? |
| 20:55.26 | HardDisk_WP | nice |
| 20:56.13 | enouf | dustybin: if h264 means mpeg4/x264, check out unichrome.org and openchrome.org |
| 20:56.15 | wols_ | [T]ank: not sure |
| 20:56.54 | [T]ank | i am asking... is my diectory correct and are the files what you would expect to see in there? |
| 20:57.01 | [T]ank | you are telling me i dont have them in the right place |
| 20:57.13 | enouf | dustybin: a recent entry into sid is xserver-xorg-video-openchrome :-) |
| 20:58.01 | dustybin | interesting |
| 20:59.08 | dustybin | enouf: openchrome is the via driver? |
| 20:59.11 | enouf | dustybin: supposedly the mpeg2 acceleration already works for my k8m800 chipset, but i have yet to put the box together |
| 20:59.58 | enouf | dustybin: no, -via is a different driver, but openchrome is for the VIA Chipsets |
| 21:00.05 | enouf | certain ones |
| 21:00.20 | dustybin | enouf: i see :) |
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| 21:01.38 | leachim6 | Hey |
| 21:02.08 | leachim6 | What is the codename for debian 4.9 ? |
| 21:02.36 | valdyn | !lenny |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
| 21:02.45 | valdyn | leachim6: theres no debian 4.9 |
| 21:02.54 | leachim6 | I meant 3.0 .. hit the wrong key sorry |
| 21:02.56 | leachim6 | dangit |
| 21:02.58 | leachim6 | 4.0 |
| 21:02.59 | leachim6 | :) |
| 21:03.07 | valdyn | !etch |
| 21:03.07 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 21:03.11 | leachim6 | thank you |
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| 21:03.18 | leachim6 | sid doesn't have a number does it ? |
| 21:03.40 | Eulex | no |
| 21:03.43 | leachim6 | right |
| 21:03.46 | Eulex | only releases have numbers |
| 21:03.50 | leachim6 | it's the unstable version right ? |
| 21:03.54 | leachim6 | so it's always different |
| 21:03.58 | leachim6 | !sid |
| 21:03.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
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| 21:04.38 | leachim6 | I usually use ubuntu ... but I decided to use a debian netinstall on this machine...it is so great |
| 21:04.38 | leachim6 | the image fits on a biz-card cd and it installed in 15 minutes |
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| 21:06.01 | leachim6 | so what happens when I put a source in the sources.list that has sid as the dist ? |
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| 21:07.27 | Eulex | leachim6, if you don't do anything more than that, you will be fetching packages from sid by default, and any upgrade will upgrade to sid. |
| 21:07.44 | dutchfish | ok guys, after hours of messing with sysklogd i want to know, in lenny it will be sysklogd or syslog-ng or rsyslog? |
| 21:08.00 | leachim6 | ok ... so it's fine to use sid in the list |
| 21:08.02 | leachim6 | ok cool |
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| 21:08.09 | leachim6 | also...will ubuntu sources generally work ? |
| 21:08.13 | Eulex | leachim6, yes, but I wouldn't recommend it for a newbie |
| 21:08.23 | leachim6 | define newbie ? |
| 21:08.30 | Eulex | new to debian |
| 21:09.03 | jelly-home | leachim6: if you use sid, you're expected to do your own homework; it's not supported in this channel, for example |
| 21:09.18 | sepski | dutchfish, lenny have all those 3 |
| 21:09.34 | leachim6 | so etch sources are more reliable then ? |
| 21:09.41 | leachim6 | is there a place I can get a list of apt sources for etch ? |
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| 21:09.45 | dutchfish | sepski, yes, sysklogd still needs klogd wich is spitting at me |
| 21:10.03 | sepski | leachim6, it's not "fine" to use sid in the list if you dont know the effects. it will take thinking and meddeling it keep it in a well kept state |
| 21:10.14 | sepski | and using upuntu will be even worse |
| 21:10.33 | sepski | if you want something more recent use a backport or backport it yourself |
| 21:10.48 | Eulex | leachim6, ubuntu sources might work, they might also not work. if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces. in any case, using ubuntu sources is something you do fully at your own risk, and very very carefully, and preferably not at all. for example, you won't get support from neither debian nor ubuntu if you do it. |
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| 21:11.08 | leachim6 | Not looking for support , just tips :) |
| 21:11.15 | leachim6 | so generally it's not a great idea then |
| 21:11.21 | dutchfish | sepski, beta 2 installer (lenny) uses this in its desktop role, however the code in klogd date sback from 2004 if i am not mistaken |
| 21:11.27 | Eulex | no, it's not |
| 21:11.44 | leachim6 | ok...how about that list then |
| 21:11.52 | sepski | leachim6, not unless you know exactly what you are doing and why |
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| 21:11.55 | larsl | How do you get a Java browser plugin for Iceweasel on AMD64? I looked on packages.debian.org but it seems to be down, and apt-cache search isn't giving me anything useful. |
| 21:11.55 | sepski | !mirror |
| 21:11.55 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:11.58 | Eulex | if you don't know exactly what you're doing, you _will_ break your system if you attempt it |
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| 21:12.06 | sepski | the urls there is the mirror list |
| 21:12.14 | sepski | they all contain the same pick one that is close to you |
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| 21:12.17 | leachim6 | but the mirrors are all the same... |
| 21:12.24 | leachim6 | that's why they are called ... mirros |
| 21:12.28 | leachim6 | I want sources |
| 21:12.28 | sepski | ofcourse |
| 21:12.45 | sepski | the sources the same just with deb-src infront of them |
| 21:13.09 | leachim6 | no no lol |
| 21:13.13 | leachim6 | I mean APT sources |
| 21:13.21 | leachim6 | I wasn't clear :) |
| 21:13.26 | dutchfish | sepski, please look at aptitude depends klogd |
| 21:13.32 | leachim6 | like deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 21:13.58 | Eulex | you take a mirror, and form an apt source from it by adding 'deb ' at the beginning and the release and sections at the end. |
| 21:14.03 | sepski | you have backports and volatile and dont enable it without reading the instructions |
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| 21:14.18 | sepski | and some applications do have their own sources |
| 21:14.25 | leachim6 | yes yes |
| 21:14.27 | leachim6 | that's what I mean |
| 21:14.34 | sepski | but dont just blindly add sources you dont know you need. |
| 21:14.36 | leachim6 | what are some sources for other applications |
| 21:14.39 | sepski | it will break |
| 21:14.39 | leachim6 | I don't |
| 21:14.47 | leachim6 | I'm looking for skype |
| 21:14.48 | leachim6 | and opera |
| 21:14.52 | sepski | if the source is not in debian it's often a reason for it |
| 21:15.07 | sepski | opera.com and skype.com i bet |
| 21:15.18 | sepski | and not all have sources. some only have .debs you can download and install |
| 21:15.23 | jelly-home | leachim6: both of those are single package and can be downloaded separately |
| 21:16.01 | sepski | generaly if you need something 1: apt-cache search, 2: google search and if you dont find it there. chances are it's not packages |
| 21:16.13 | orveldv | jelly-home: yeah but you won't benefit from aptitude upgrades :-) |
| 21:16.14 | leachim6 | right... |
| 21:16.54 | jelly-home | orveldv: both have a menu entry to check for updates, as well |
| 21:16.58 | Eulex | orveldv, not much you can do if there are no repos with them |
| 21:17.12 | sepski | orveldv, make your own repo |
| 21:17.18 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 21:17.20 | larsl | Is packages.debian.org dead? |
| 21:17.38 | dutchfish | larsl, no, just busy |
| 21:17.46 | Eulex | larsl, no, but it appears to be very slow |
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| 21:18.35 | dryrot | what can i use to set up a http proxy on my local machine that connects to a socks5 proxy running on my local machine ? |
| 21:18.53 | dutchfish | priv-oxy |
| 21:18.54 | larsl | dryrot: You can. |
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| 21:19.15 | larsl | Oh, I read "why can't i..."... sorry. |
| 21:19.18 | dryrot | privoxy says it only supports socks4 |
| 21:19.44 | jelly-home | dryrot: you don't need an additional proxy, just use a ld_preload wrapper to make your browser work with socks |
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| 21:20.40 | dryrot | jelly-home: i tried adding this to /etc/defaults/approx to get approx to use it but it doesn't appear to work export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libtsocks.so.1.8 |
| 21:20.55 | EvilGuru | Hi, this is a bit of a 'weird' problem but here goes: My server runs Debian, which among other things provides DHCP using dhcpd. On my network I have my iBook -- which enjoys flip-flopping between .162 and .102. If I run Wireshark on my network I find ~1 ARP packet a second from my Debian server asking to know who 192.168.0.102 is. No one is this (today my iBook is .162). What should I do? |
| 21:21.37 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, nothing its normal for macs unless you have static ip adressing schme |
| 21:21.54 | dutchfish | s/schme/scheme |
| 21:22.11 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: I always thought that the DHCP server did it all based off of MAC addresses, however, for some reason my mac subverts this |
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| 21:22.45 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, mac need an ip on boot, no mather what you do, so till dhcp kicks in it will use privat adressing scheme |
| 21:22.46 | EvilGuru | All of the other systems (Linux & Windows) end up with static IPs |
| 21:23.00 | EvilGuru | Ouch |
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| 21:23.16 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, ask osx |
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| 21:24.13 | EvilGuru | Well, I am fine with the IP changing, was just interested if it were normal for dhcpd to spew out ARP packets |
| 21:24.44 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, its not dhcpd its mac client |
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| 21:24.59 | Clown | What if i did a ntpq -p command, the results returned, and there's no * ? |
| 21:25.09 | jelly-home | dryrot: what about running it explicitely with that preload? the init script might or might not ignore that export |
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| 21:25.11 | Clown | does it mean my time is not in sync? |
| 21:25.41 | rahul | Clown: it means that it hasnt settled on a specific server |
| 21:25.45 | EvilGuru | Wireshark shows the source of the packets to be the MAC address of my server. They are broadcast and interpreted as "Who has 192.168.0.102? Tell 192.168.0.254" (my server) |
| 21:25.57 | rahul | it's not in sync to within a few dozen nanoseconds |
| 21:26.08 | rahul | it might be in sync to within miliseconds |
| 21:26.08 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, what i did is place all macs in a separate subnet, end of story, so they can bable whatever they like and not disturb my net |
| 21:26.17 | Clown | which means the * is not coming up ? |
| 21:26.44 | rahul | yes |
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| 21:27.21 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, thats right |
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| 21:27.42 | Clown | can i be assured that my ntp devices will be in sync with the server? |
| 21:27.47 | EvilGuru | Surely if no one 'claims' an IP the server should quit asking after a while? |
| 21:28.08 | rahul | Clown: if you give them time |
| 21:28.15 | rahul | as it were :P |
| 21:28.18 | Clown | phew |
| 21:28.24 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, nope it must not, it must detect arp replies and detect the changes |
| 21:28.36 | enouf | dutchfish: and EvilGuru are you guys confusing mac and MAC ? i know i am |
| 21:28.45 | Clown | i though without the *, the time wouldn't be handed out |
| 21:28.54 | rahul | Clown: it does the best it can. if that's not to the ultimate standards of what could be done with a perfect network connection, that's how it is |
| 21:29.12 | dutchfish | enouf, no we are talking about MAC machine (at least i am) and yes ARP packects |
| 21:29.16 | rahul | well, is it not being handed out? |
| 21:29.43 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: So dhcpd will keep asking until someone claims it |
| 21:29.54 | enouf | dutchfish: then please atleast keep using CAPS for that ;-) i know you mentioned "go ask osx" up there somewheree thoigh |
| 21:30.08 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, noted |
| 21:30.25 | ggeecko | if I am using gnome, how can I have text dispayed in the background on the desktop |
| 21:30.34 | Clown | rahul: it's not working now |
| 21:30.44 | Clown | i have the ntp server in a vmware |
| 21:30.56 | EvilGuru | Guess I'll just have to get used to ARP background radiation |
| 21:31.12 | Clown | tried to sync to it in winxp, but failed |
| 21:31.16 | enouf | Clown: is you time out of sync, like a lot faster? |
| 21:31.17 | rahul | wtf |
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| 21:31.28 | rahul | Clown: don't use vmware for that |
| 21:31.39 | rahul | ugh |
| 21:31.42 | sharu_khan | hello |
| 21:31.43 | rahul | recuses self |
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| 21:31.56 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, in general the client sends dhcp request, wich is honoured by the dhcp server, then ARP packects are send by ALL machines that received this with WHO HAS ARP packects |
| 21:32.09 | enouf | !rescue rahul |
| 21:32.14 | Clown | i know vmware has this issue of time being faster/slower |
| 21:32.17 | dryrot | should this file exist?: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 |
| 21:32.28 | Clown | i'm just testing it |
| 21:32.35 | rahul | enouf: nah, I just shouldn't be interacting with newbies |
| 21:32.38 | enouf | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 <-- Mpoop is good for something after all |
| 21:32.46 | mohadib | hello , does any pkg in the Lenny repos have ntpdate? |
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| 21:32.55 | mohadib | I have looked and cant seem to find it |
| 21:33.00 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, the WHO WAS continous when the ARP cache needs refresh |
| 21:33.02 | enouf | rahul: i know the feeling .. (the non-forthcoming ones, anyways) |
| 21:33.09 | dutchfish | s/WAS/HAS |
| 21:33.17 | rahul | enouf: well, I get in trouble when I do |
| 21:33.27 | rahul | so I need to stop helping newbies |
| 21:33.30 | enouf | rahul: requires a spanking? :-P |
| 21:33.35 | loran42o | hello |
| 21:33.38 | rahul | heh |
| 21:33.42 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: So can I expect it to give up after a while? |
| 21:33.44 | rahul | only from zoof! |
| 21:33.50 | enouf | ... |
| 21:33.58 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, nope see man arp |
| 21:34.04 | EvilGuru | will do |
| 21:34.31 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, and you maybe want to delve into arpwatch too |
| 21:35.10 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, but for the MACmachines this is pretty normal behaviour |
| 21:35.11 | \amethyst | EvilGuru: man 7 arp and search for stale---those sysctl settings might be useful to you |
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| 21:35.59 | rahul | ;;; |
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| 21:36.08 | Clown | argh, my time is not working |
| 21:37.24 | EvilGuru | Looking now |
| 21:38.39 | dutchfish | \amethyst, EvilGuru making arp replies less often can seriuously hurt MACmachine services like avahi, autodiscovery, ichat and what not |
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| 21:39.34 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: # arp does show 192.168.0.102, but everything else about it is (incomplete) |
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| 21:40.43 | EvilGuru | However, # arp -d 192.168.0.102 seems to have no effect, I'll take a look at a couple more man pages |
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| 21:42.24 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, you can delete an entry form the cache but it will take a few secs to get it back again, of coarse |
| 21:42.57 | EvilGuru | It doesn't seem to be deleting it. There is no system with the address 192.168.0.102 |
| 21:43.08 | sharu_khan | By default, when i delete files on debian server, are they stored to trunk? |
| 21:43.11 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, is this you debian box? |
| 21:43.12 | EvilGuru | Yet, even as root I can not seem to remove it from the cache |
| 21:43.16 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: Yes |
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| 21:46.28 | tingle | all the flash movie i play are overlighted i cant really see the movie |
| 21:46.32 | tingle | is this a know bug? |
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| 21:46.58 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: Any ideas? |
| 21:47.17 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, what syntax did you use? |
| 21:47.29 | EvilGuru | arp -d 192.168.0.102 |
| 21:47.40 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, you must specify interface and host |
| 21:47.57 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, look at the manpage its clearly described |
| 21:49.05 | EvilGuru | I thought because it was in [] it was optional |
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| 21:49.37 | EvilGuru | Although explicitly specifying the interface doesn't seem to help |
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| 21:52.55 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, normally arp -i eth0 -d [ip] should work |
| 21:53.46 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, but maybe its getting back that fast so it just looks like it wasnt cleared, did you get any errors? |
| 21:53.55 | EvilGuru | None |
| 21:54.08 | EvilGuru | With -v I get: arp: SIOCDARP(dontpub) |
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| 21:56.28 | EvilGuru | ip neighbour show gives it as: 192.168.0.102 dev eth2 INCOMPLETE |
| 21:56.32 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, thats the kernel saying the entry does not exists |
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| 21:57.15 | EvilGuru | It is still, according to Wireshark, pumping out packets asking who that is |
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| 21:57.29 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, on etch or lenny? |
| 21:57.36 | EvilGuru | lenny |
| 21:58.10 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, try (crude method): /etc/init.d/networking restart and look again at the arp cache, then tell me |
| 21:58.23 | EvilGuru | will that nuke any ssh sessions etc? |
| 21:58.31 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, it should not |
| 21:58.33 | ab3l | hello ;) i've a question: a linux version that "transforms" a pc into a router upon boot already exists and afaik it fits on a floppy - now i guess there's a way to fit a "little" samba too in order to make a nas? |
| 21:59.04 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: Run and it still shows (when runs arp on its own) |
| 21:59.12 | EvilGuru | 192.168.0.102 (incomplete) eth2 |
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| 21:59.48 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, can you pastebin your ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces files? |
| 22:00.26 | keith80403 | My browser won't connect to packages.debian.org, nor can I ping it. Can anyone else? |
| 22:00.44 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m43aae0ca |
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| 22:01.18 | EvilGuru | eth2 is my local network, eth1 is in a DMZ with my router |
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| 22:01.47 | doudou | Hi where can i download mklibs.sh |
| 22:02.43 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, so i gues eth0 is your outside net |
| 22:03.03 | EvilGuru | I have *no* idea what eth0 is, do not think it even exists |
| 22:03.04 | jaunny | Hi where can i download mklibs.sh |
| 22:03.20 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, huh? |
| 22:03.39 | EvilGuru | I set the system up ~2 years ago |
| 22:03.52 | enouf | z25 issue? avahi-daemon? zeroconf? |
| 22:03.56 | EvilGuru | I believe eth0 is the motherboard network interface, but it never worked |
| 22:04.04 | EvilGuru | So I have 2 PCI cards |
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| 22:04.17 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, so its not physical connected and down |
| 22:04.23 | EvilGuru | Correct |
| 22:04.37 | enouf | is eth0 listed in z25 ? |
| 22:04.51 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, maybe 192.168.0.102 does really exists in your net |
| 22:04.57 | enouf | !tell jaunny -about apt-file |
| 22:05.17 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, i see now errors in your pastebin |
| 22:05.25 | EvilGuru | From 192.168.0.254 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:05.45 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, that doesnt mean anything, it can block ping probes |
| 22:05.53 | EvilGuru | ip neighbor flush all; doesn't seem to want to work: Failed to send flush request: Invalid argument |
| 22:06.19 | EvilGuru | Every once is a while my Mac switches from 192.168.0.162 to 192.168.0.102. However, at this current moment in time it is 192.168.0.162 |
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| 22:06.35 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, noone is trying a mitm and using arp cache poisening? |
| 22:06.39 | enouf | Macintosh? |
| 22:06.48 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: Just me on the network |
| 22:06.52 | EvilGuru | enouf: Yes |
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| 22:07.53 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, oh yes, now i remember it sends dif mac adresses to the dhcp server |
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| 22:08.11 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, wich promptly assign one of those 2 |
| 22:08.24 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: It is quite annoying, sometimes when I start it up it will get 102, other times 162 |
| 22:08.56 | EvilGuru | I guess the problem will go away when it decides to become 102 again |
| 22:08.57 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, yep, its ichat or the service under it (i forget the name) |
| 22:09.16 | TuniX12 | just doesn't want to configure debian |
| 22:09.43 | EvilGuru | dutchfish: Sending different MAC addresses has always seemed quite naughty in my books |
| 22:09.45 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, and it doesnt when you have static adresses |
| 22:09.53 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, nods |
| 22:10.06 | dryrot | is packages.debian.org down ? |
| 22:10.14 | dutchfish | dryrot, no |
| 22:10.18 | EvilGuru | I did give it a static address once; but since it is a laptop, it has a way of screwing everything up when I take it somewhere |
| 22:10.24 | EvilGuru | So I just stuck to DHCP |
| 22:10.51 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, hold on i just need to check something how i resolved it |
| 22:11.01 | jaunny | enouf, debia:/bin# apt-file search mklibs.sh |
| 22:11.18 | jaunny | enouf, no answer, i did apt-file update |
| 22:11.30 | enouf | dryrot: not down here either - try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 22:11.45 | EvilGuru | If so I'll set it to be 192.168.0.102, my debian box will get its ARP |
| 22:11.48 | Decepticon | im trying to do passwordless logins to a remote box using ssh keys... when i try ssh -l username remotebox.org, i am asked to "Enter passphrase for key '/home/decepticon/.ssh/id_dsa'" every time... i think i am missing some step to make this passwordless? |
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| 22:12.04 | pipeline | Decepticon: Yeah, don't enter a passphrase when you generate the key. |
| 22:12.14 | Decepticon | i thought that was a bad idea |
| 22:12.37 | Decepticon | "Warning: It is unwise to have keys without passphrases, if someone just copies the keyfile he/she will have access to all accounts that allow that key. " |
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| 22:13.30 | Decepticon | pipeline if i want a passphrase in the key, will i have to enter it always when i do logins to the remotebox? the only way to not be asked a password is to have no passphrase when genereating the key? |
| 22:13.39 | EvilGuru | brb |
| 22:13.51 | pipeline | Decepticon: That's right |
| 22:13.58 | enouf | jaunny: ~$ apt-file search mklibs.sh |
| 22:13.58 | enouf | mkinitrd-cd: usr/sbin/mklibs.sh |
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| 22:14.05 | pipeline | Decepticon: When you ssh with key auth, you're using the private key to encrypt things |
| 22:14.07 | dryrot | i cant get to packages.debian.org at all, weird |
| 22:14.12 | pipeline | Decepticon: so uh... yeah, you need the password. |
| 22:14.25 | pipeline | Decepticon: You can, however, set up ssh-agent in such a way that you only have to enter the password once per session |
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| 22:15.01 | Decepticon | hmm |
| 22:15.03 | pipeline | Decepticon: And yes, it IS a bad idea. I tremble to think what would happen if my or one of my coworkers laptops was stolen. But it's convenient :) |
| 22:15.13 | EvilGuru_ | Right, just went off the network and on again and boom i have 102 |
| 22:15.24 | Decepticon | well this is a big box thats not moving, so i assume its safer to do blank passphrases |
| 22:15.32 | jaunny | enouf, i did this one apt-file update && apt-file search mklibs.sh, return nothing |
| 22:15.47 | enouf | dryrot: although . when i search it's hanging on "making connection" |
| 22:16.14 | EvilGuru_ | dutchfish: It is now asking who has 162 |
| 22:16.15 | enouf | dryrot: i just got a 'recieve timeout' |
| 22:16.24 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, sudo ifconfig en0 lladdr [new MAC] |
| 22:16.38 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, this needs a reboot on th emac |
| 22:17.18 | enouf | jaunny: perhaps it's not a pkg in your release, or it's in contrib or non-free - that's why i'm at p.d.o |
| 22:17.21 | EvilGuru_ | dutchfish: I use wireless and I do not think you can change the MAC on them |
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| 22:17.46 | enouf | !find mkinitrd-cd etch |
| 22:18.00 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, nope (i do not know for sure) |
| 22:18.05 | EvilGuru_ | So it seems to always spew out ARP requests for either 162 or 102 |
| 22:18.13 | enouf | jaunny: possibly just not avail for your ARCH |
| 22:18.49 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkinitrd-cd' returned no results. |
| 22:18.50 | jaunny | enouf, supposed to be an old script of www.debian.org to copy libs used by programs, for embeded systeùms, i read this script was given on floppys of debian |
| 22:18.59 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, is this other mac adress from your MACmachines wired adapter? |
| 22:18.59 | dryrot | i managed to remove aptitude. when i try to reinstall aptitude with apt-get, i get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 22:19.14 | enouf | !find mkinitrd-cd |
| 22:19.18 | dpkg | mkinitrd-cd: (Creates an initrd image for booting from a live CD-ROM or USB device), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 22:19.51 | enouf | !find mkinitrd-cd lenny |
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| 22:20.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkinitrd-cd' returned no results. |
| 22:21.12 | enouf | ok well, it's in sid/unstable |
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| 22:24.32 | enouf | dutchfish: wouldn't 'macintosh' work well there? .. heh, or even "apple" :-P |
| 22:25.03 | dutchfish | enouf, i have the same observed on my lan, so its not a one time issue |
| 22:25.29 | dutchfish | enouf, but i agree its offtopic, sorry for that |
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| 22:26.00 | enouf | is really not being a pedant and not nitpicking ... apologies - just trying to clear any confusion or language/mnemonic barriers |
| 22:26.24 | dutchfish | enouf, no harm done, thx |
| 22:26.42 | enouf | dutchfish: no no, i meant in place of saying MACmachines :-) |
| 22:26.56 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
| 22:27.06 | enouf | O_o |
| 22:27.07 | EvilGuru_ | will just have to live with ARP background radiation |
| 22:27.28 | enouf | EvilGuru_: is eth0 listed in z25 ? |
| 22:27.33 | EvilGuru_ | z25? |
| 22:27.35 | enouf | !z25 |
| 22:27.35 | dpkg | i heard z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 22:27.40 | dutchfish | EvilGuru, i did but isolated those mxxx fxx in a separate subnet where they can bable all they long |
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| 22:28.27 | EvilGuru_ | I never did get to the bottom of eth0 |
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| 22:28.49 | enouf | EvilGuru_: does netstat -tunap as root show avahi-daemon or zeroconf running? kill it if you don't use it |
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| 22:29.29 | enouf | dutchfish: haha, Mofo chatterboxes :-) |
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| 22:29.37 | EvilGuru_ | enouf: Nope |
| 22:29.54 | enouf | to z25? or avahi? |
| 22:30.06 | EvilGuru_ | avahi or zeroconf |
| 22:30.13 | mikegriffin | so this is a tough one.. how do i list the changelog using dpkg/apt-cache or something of a particular package |
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| 22:31.12 | enouf | EvilGuru_: ok, anything that shouldn't be running, kill :-) also as root lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' and see if any thing is funky there |
| 22:31.54 | enouf | EvilGuru_: but if eth0 is still in z25 and dmesg and errors are in logs about it. .. change that |
| 22:32.10 | dutchfish | can anyone explain to me why apt-cache depends klogd shows conficts with sysklogd and it still is installed in lenny latest and is spitting at me? reinstall of sysklogd does not resolve it. |
| 22:32.16 | EvilGuru_ | enouf: Everything seems normal |
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| 22:32.43 | enouf | mikegriffin: afaik, you don't .. for installed pkgs? use dlocate |
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| 22:33.33 | enouf | dutchfish: i can't, but there was a time when i had 2 of each running for some odd reason :-) |
| 22:34.09 | peleg | what is the default port for ssh and scp ? |
| 22:34.10 | dutchfish | enouf, also trying to purge klogd draws sysklogd also out ... mmmpff .. weird |
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| 22:34.43 | LtL | peleg: tcp 22 |
| 22:34.50 | peleg | LtL: thanks! |
| 22:35.03 | wsh42 | after installing debian and installing the proper sound drivers for my laptop, my speakers seem not to want to work. the laptop speakers work just fune, however when i go to plug in my desktop speakers, the laptop speakers continue to put out sound... any ideas? |
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| 22:36.21 | LtL | wsh42: check sound prefs and check mark line out jack somewhere in the switches tab iirc. |
| 22:36.41 | enouf | dutchfish: oh, i meant syslogd and klogd, not sysklogd - got any funk for those in /etc/default/* ? |
| 22:36.52 | wsh42 | LtL: how do i go about doing that? |
| 22:37.00 | dutchfish | enouf, can i safely switch to syslog-ng? |
| 22:37.18 | dutchfish | enouf, what should be preferred? |
| 22:38.02 | LtL | wsh42: try right clicking the desktop speaker or look in your menus. |
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| 22:38.18 | dutchfish | enouf, /etc/default/ looks good |
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| 22:38.31 | LtL | wsh42: try right clicking the desktop speaker Icon. excuse repetition. |
| 22:38.34 | peleg | I am using dyndns, and I have created a subdomain bla.webhoporg, and put port forwarding in my router to my ip on ports 80 and 22. surfing (http) to bla.webhop.org works (my apache replies) but ssh peleg@bla.webhop.org gives me Connection refused |
| 22:38.35 | enouf | now i have a question; is /etc/sysfs.conf deprecated for sysctl ? |
| 22:38.50 | wsh42 | LtL: there doesn't seem to be one. |
| 22:38.57 | peleg | peleg is my username on that machine. I am trying to ssh from a remote server to my local machine |
| 22:39.07 | LtL | peleg: open that port, try iptables -L as root |
| 22:39.10 | enouf | dutchfish: no idea :-/ .. but if it ain't broke, don't fix it :-P |
| 22:39.16 | peleg | LtL: thanks |
| 22:39.45 | dutchfish | enouf, more broken then klogd is almost impossible |
| 22:39.59 | peleg | LtL: what should I see there? all policies are "ACCEPT" |
| 22:40.13 | LtL | peleg: iptables -L only lists rules, you'll need a frontend to do the dirty work. like firestarter or easier like lokkit |
| 22:40.18 | enouf | dutchfish: depends which kernel :-p |
| 22:40.28 | dutchfish | enouf, i recompiled it a couple of times, but it make a mess on the shutdown |
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| 22:40.29 | peleg | LtL: I see, thanks |
| 22:40.49 | LtL | peleg: netstat -tunap is the machine listening on 22 |
| 22:40.52 | enouf | dutchfish: oh, and sysfs.conf does appear to have use, and different than sysctl, AFAICT |
| 22:40.55 | dutchfish | enouf, i used 2.6.24-1, 2.6.25-5, 2.6.25-6 it all does not mather |
| 22:41.17 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm using old know working kernels :-p |
| 22:41.24 | enouf | known* |
| 22:41.57 | dutchfish | enouf, i need those hoever, ok ill give syslog-ng a swirl |
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| 22:42.08 | dutchfish | enouf, brb |
| 22:42.15 | enouf | ok |
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| 22:48.08 | LtL | wsh42: try installing alsamixergui |
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| 22:52.27 | walkist | YIKES! |
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| 23:02.39 | cizzi | \amethyst how u been ? |
| 23:03.27 | peleg | LtL: using lokkit, I have enabled HTTP and SSH - though, still I get connection refused... what else can it be? |
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| 23:04.04 | peleg | I have: "ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh flags:FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN" |
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| 23:04.33 | LtL | peleg: is sshd running on the host |
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| 23:05.31 | peleg | LtL: :-) I'm embarrassed, I don't even have sshd installed there... |
| 23:05.55 | LtL | peleg: gotta have that |
| 23:06.09 | peleg | make sense |
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| 23:07.57 | LtL | peleg: the package name is openssh i believe |
| 23:08.07 | peleg | LtL: thanks, it's working already ;-) |
| 23:08.27 | LtL | peleg: roger that. |
| 23:08.49 | peleg | though, I have a problem. I have Hebrew filenames in the host, and doing ls from the client shows some weird characters, and then stuck |
| 23:09.06 | peleg | I have to kill that screen and ssh again in order to continue |
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| 23:10.26 | samantha-- | where is the setting to make iceweasel say it's firefox? i'm trying to use a video website that checks explicitly. |
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| 23:12.57 | LtL | samantha--: iceweasel runs /usr/bin/firefox so that should'nt be the issue. |
| 23:13.38 | LtL | samantha--: microsoft 0wned sites may complain however. |
| 23:13.41 | Tramp | samantha--: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
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| 23:14.52 | samantha-- | well cnn isn't (yet) owned by microsoft, but apparently cnn checks. |
| 23:15.32 | LtL | samantha--: yah, they do but mine works there if you coax it. |
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| 23:16.41 | LtL | samantha--: Tramp's suggestion would likely turn the trick to. useragent is the key |
| 23:17.18 | samantha-- | aye bingo ty |
| 23:17.23 | LtL | as funky as firefox is i'm reticent to add addons and such. |
| 23:17.34 | samantha-- | now if i can just deal with this dog-shit slow connection |
| 23:19.47 | samantha-- | ok and finally, why is pidgin saying it's waiting for a network connection? why can't it find the one i've got? wtf? |
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| 23:20.42 | LtL | samantha--: I don't do pidgin, can't say. probably a host issue |
| 23:21.03 | peleg | any ideas? It's a big problem - the Hebrew symbols just kill my screen completely - I can't do anything but C-a C-k to get over with it, and open a new connection... |
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| 23:21.48 | LtL | peleg: hrm, got a menu bar in your xterminal? try editting the default profile |
| 23:21.51 | fapestniegd | does anyone know the arcane preseed incantation that will not cause etch's installer to barf with "Bad archive mirror"? When I choose <Go Back> and type in ftp.us.debian.org, it continues, but apparently doesn't like "d-i mirror/http/hostname string ftp.us.debian.org" in the preseed file... |
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| 23:22.13 | samantha-- | LtL, define "host issue." i have yahoo, msn, and icq that aren't connecting, but gtalk is. |
| 23:22.14 | peleg | LtL: the same terminal shows me hebrew fonts just fine when I'm not working via ssh |
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| 23:22.35 | fapestniegd | I've googled it to great lenth, but cannot find a definitive answer that works |
| 23:22.58 | LtL | samantha--: whomever hosts the msn etc connections. |
| 23:23.33 | LtL | peleg: is the host you are ssh'ing to using utf8 locale settings |
| 23:23.36 | samantha-- | you're telling me that there's a problem with yahoo, msn, aim, and icq, that only appears when i try to connect from this particular box, but not on another box on this same network? |
| 23:23.50 | samantha-- | that's pretty powerful juju. can i smoke some too? |
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| 23:24.26 | LtL | samantha--: it was just a guess, looks like no, thats not the problem. |
| 23:24.33 | peleg | LtL: I guess so, but I don't think I know how to check this. |
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| 23:25.39 | LtL | peleg: can you access your target host locally? does it use english? |
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| 23:25.58 | remi_ | samantha--: About Iceweasel, there is a plugin "User Agent Switcher" that enables you to say you are using IE7 under Vista (example) |
| 23:26.01 | LtL | peleg: i never had the problem, sorry. |
| 23:26.12 | peleg | LtL: :-) thanks |
| 23:26.30 | LtL | peleg: welcome |
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| 23:27.39 | petra | hello |
| 23:28.20 | petra | is this the offical debian channel? |
| 23:28.38 | cusco | the oficial is at irc.debian.org |
| 23:28.55 | cusco | but this was once the oficial channel |
| 23:29.26 | petra | Ah okay. Thank you. |
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| 23:36.21 | Andy_CARP | hello |
| 23:36.28 | bthornton | Any LVM gurus in here? I'm trying to move an LV from one volume group to another volume group on the same system and can't figure out how. Any ideas? |
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| 23:37.24 | fapestniegd | bthornton: you can't just migrate one |
| 23:37.45 | fapestniegd | bthornton: you'll need to create a new LV in the new VG |
| 23:37.49 | bthornton | hmm... then copy and then delete the source? |
| 23:37.50 | Andy_CARP | hello |
| 23:37.52 | Andy_CARP | someone called an example of how to use TreeTable not only find examples of system files. |
| 23:38.10 | fapestniegd | there isn't a way to just move the physical extents for a particular volume from one vg to another |
| 23:38.19 | bthornton | dang, i was afraid of that |
| 23:38.21 | fapestniegd | (that I'm aware of) |
| 23:38.31 | bthornton | so the data copying will need to be at the filesystem level, then? |
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| 23:38.41 | fapestniegd | pretty much |
| 23:39.03 | bthornton | that'll make for a fun rootfs move :p |
| 23:39.19 | bthornton | well actually, I guess I would have had issues anyways, since the current mountpoints will have to change anyway |
| 23:39.22 | fapestniegd | bthornton: can you mount root read-only? |
| 23:39.23 | bthornton | er, mount sources |
| 23:39.28 | fapestniegd | or snapshot it? |
| 23:39.37 | bthornton | it's already mounted |
| 23:40.01 | fapestniegd | is / a separate fs from say, var or tmp? |
| 23:40.05 | bthornton | yes |
| 23:40.15 | bthornton | well /tmp is on the rootfs |
| 23:40.18 | bthornton | var isn't |
| 23:40.22 | fapestniegd | the stuff on / shouldn't change much |
| 23:40.34 | bthornton | true |
| 23:40.38 | fapestniegd | take a snapshot, then mount the snapshot volume |
| 23:41.01 | fapestniegd | rsync, umount snap, snap again, mount again, rsync again |
| 23:41.10 | fapestniegd | it's like filesystem log shipping |
| 23:41.14 | bthornton | I see |
| 23:41.19 | n3kl | Anyone know where I can find a cheatsheet of bash keyboard hotkeys? |
| 23:41.53 | bthornton | out of curiosity, why would I want to use rsync for local file transfers? |
| 23:41.59 | bthornton | as opposed to cp -a? |
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| 23:42.06 | fapestniegd | and once you have it all moved except a small delta, you'll have to shut it off to swing to the new root |
| 23:42.19 | fapestniegd | bthorton: rsync will only xfer the deltas |
| 23:42.31 | bthornton | cool |
| 23:42.50 | fapestniegd | so the initial copy of the snap will be big, subsequent ones will only copy the files that have changed |
| 23:43.10 | bthornton | yeah good call |
| 23:43.17 | bthornton | alright well thanks for the info, I'm going to see what I can do! |
| 23:43.30 | fapestniegd | np. |
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| 23:47.56 | mikegriffin | enouf: around? |
| 23:48.29 | mikegriffin | so the 'easiest' way to see a changelog is to zless $(dlocate tzdata | awk '/changelog/ {print $2}') |
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| 23:55.53 | samantha-- | ok and finally, why is pidgin saying it's waiting for a network connection? why can't it find the one i've got? wtf? |
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