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| 00:02.51 | schwepps | what exactly is the difference between testing weekly builds and testing betas? |
| 00:03.09 | samantha-- | schwepps, er. uh? |
| 00:03.16 | Nyle | beta? |
| 00:03.30 | benjamindees | schwepps, the installer |
| 00:03.31 | schwepps | there are "lenny beta 2" images on the ftp |
| 00:03.36 | samantha-- | the mirrors are updated twice a day. |
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| 00:03.47 | schwepps | are betas just older weekly builds? |
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| 00:04.34 | Alfarin | Stupid question: Should I noob it up and install xfce + vnc on my dedicated server? |
| 00:06.30 | Nyle | no |
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| 00:07.00 | benjamindees | schwepps, "beta" refers to the installer only. there are daily builds of the network installer. there are weekly builds of the entire iso set. |
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| 00:07.40 | benjamindees | I assume the daily builds use the beta installer. I'm not sure what installer the weekly builds use. |
| 00:07.40 | mikegriffin | Alfarin: stupid answer: yes |
| 00:08.03 | octox2 | is there an apt-get command for searching for a file that you are not sure of the exact name? |
| 00:08.18 | mikegriffin | locate? |
| 00:08.24 | mikegriffin | dpkg -S |
| 00:08.24 | dpkg | mikegriffin: i haven't a clue |
| 00:08.25 | benjamindees | octox2, apt-get apt-file |
| 00:08.30 | schwepps | benjamindees, so if I download the lenny beta 2 ISO, what am I installing? the most recent weekly build? |
| 00:08.37 | mikegriffin | apt-file is too slow |
| 00:09.07 | benjamindees | schwepps, depends if it's a netinst iso or not. |
| 00:09.13 | schwepps | it's not |
| 00:09.22 | benjamindees | schwepps, then yes |
| 00:09.41 | samantha-- | netinst and business card download from the current mirrors. this is generally what you want. |
| 00:09.51 | schwepps | ok... the regular weekly builds use the, um... non-beta installer? |
| 00:11.26 | fapestniegd | well crud... it would appear "d-i mirror/http/hostname" is bugged up. as "d-i mirror/ftp/hostname" works |
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| 00:12.39 | octox2 | thanks, and now for another newbi question, apt calls dpkg for instaling applications, or do they both operate independantly ? |
| 00:13.30 | benjamindees | schwepps, I was wrong; the weekly builds use the beta2 installer; the daily builds use the latest development installer. |
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| 00:14.37 | schwepps | benjamindees, doesn't that make having a 'lenny beta 2' image and a 'weekly build' image redundant? |
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| 00:17.14 | extor | will the Xen enabled debian kernel run in a VMWARE session? |
| 00:17.43 | benjamindees | schwepps, if you're referring to these, I have no idea what installer that is. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:18.04 | schwepps | yes, I am refering to those |
| 00:19.14 | benjamindees | I seem to recall the d-i page offering a beta1 version a while back, so perhaps that's it. |
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| 00:41.26 | smacnay | can fuse dynamically mount and unmount nfs shares as well as smb? |
| 00:41.45 | octox2 | is there a way to see the bottom of the list for "top" ? I read the help, but i dont see an option |
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| 00:42.44 | KyleK | is the website down? |
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| 00:47.18 | blameless | KyleK: i was having trouble getting to it earlier |
| 00:50.29 | zorpo | Is there any way to suspend a process? I know I can hit crtl-Z in a tty, and I can renice a "headless" process, but I'd like to pause a background process completely... |
| 00:50.50 | simonrvn | send a STOP signal to it |
| 00:50.59 | zorpo | ooo... |
| 00:51.09 | simonrvn | then CONT sig to restart it |
| 00:51.35 | simonrvn | though it might just exit, and some aren't written to take those properly |
| 00:51.42 | simonrvn | s,and,as, |
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| 00:52.04 | zorpo | neato |
| 00:52.20 | simonrvn | man kill ;) |
| 00:52.23 | zorpo | yeah |
| 00:52.34 | zorpo | the only switch I'd ever used with kill before was -9 =) |
| 00:52.41 | zorpo | cool |
| 00:52.58 | simonrvn | killall will work too |
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| 00:53.02 | zorpo | I mean, with a nam elike KILL I didn't really think it did anything else =) |
| 00:53.33 | simonrvn | not really good to use -9, doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself |
| 00:53.50 | simonrvn | it's a "last resort" sorta deal |
| 00:54.18 | zorpo | yeah, rarely comes up |
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| 00:58.21 | schwepps | zorpo, http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 00:59.11 | extor | Does anyone use Xen on their desktops to sort of sandbox browsers and malware from the main box? Kinda like running the web browsing in a separate VM in case of prpblems? |
| 00:59.19 | extor | cuz if anyone gains "xtor" privies they can access my entire hard drive, but if I make a second account called "extor" and cripple it, it would be nicer to run the browser from there |
| 01:00.06 | blameless | it seems excessive to me |
| 01:00.45 | extor | Is there a way to run firefox/iceweasel under a user other than "xtor" while still being logged on as xtor in debian/gnome? |
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| 01:02.50 | schwepps | sudo? |
| 01:02.57 | dimedo | hi there, do the daily images include packages from unstable or only from testing? |
| 01:03.20 | schwepps | there are no images for unstable, afaik |
| 01:03.27 | dimedo | and is lenny currently just a synonym for testing or is there a difference? |
| 01:03.37 | schwepps | testing is lenny right now |
| 01:03.57 | dimedo | schwepps: i asked because the installed system calls itself lenny/sid |
| 01:04.17 | intx | calls itself? |
| 01:04.18 | fapestniegd | extor: vmware actually has a browser appliance for that |
| 01:04.27 | dimedo | in the motd |
| 01:04.32 | fapestniegd | (a browsing sandbox) |
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| 01:05.25 | theRealBall | when hard linked files are copied, are the links preserved? |
| 01:06.08 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: if it's a copy, then the original isn't touched, so yes |
| 01:06.46 | theRealBall | fapestniegd thanks |
| 01:06.50 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: if you mean in a move, then it only moves the inode |
| 01:07.00 | theRealBall | fapestniegd but how can we still see what they're linked to? |
| 01:07.03 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: unless you cross filesystems |
| 01:07.30 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: then new copy isn't a link, it's a new copy |
| 01:07.36 | theRealBall | fapestniegd what i did was copied the hard linked files back over to my local hard disk |
| 01:07.56 | theRealBall | new copy as in the actual file in itself? |
| 01:08.04 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: if you crossed a filesystem boundary, then those are new data blocks |
| 01:08.18 | theRealBall | crap so that means more space wasted? |
| 01:08.34 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: yeah, it's 2 copies, one per fs |
| 01:08.44 | extor | fapestniegd, wow you used that appliance? |
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| 01:08.51 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: symlink |
| 01:08.59 | eg42 | hey guys |
| 01:09.02 | theRealBall | hm no not symlink |
| 01:09.07 | fapestniegd | extor: yeah it's just a linux vm w/firefox |
| 01:09.16 | fapestniegd | extor: that uses nat |
| 01:09.40 | fapestniegd | extor: spin it up in vmware-server (free-as-in-beer) |
| 01:09.50 | extor | but there is no way to do it say...with chroot or sudo or something? Like where firefox sudos to another cripled user each time it launches? |
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| 01:10.01 | theRealBall | hmm i shoulda used cpio |
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| 01:10.41 | fapestniegd | extor: you could put the vm in non-persistant mode, every time the vm rebooted, it'd be wiped |
| 01:10.47 | schwepps | extor, what's wrong with su-ing to another using another and running firefox? |
| 01:10.57 | fapestniegd | extor: I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve. |
| 01:10.59 | eg42 | just wondering, how would one go about enabling the audio line-out in debian? |
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| 01:12.09 | extor | fapestniegd, I am trying to achieve the ability to browse the web safely without getting chowned by malicious websites |
| 01:12.12 | eg42 | my laptop speakers work just fine, but the audio jack is aparantly just not feeling like working. |
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| 01:12.20 | extor | schwepps, oh you mean just from a shell? |
| 01:12.29 | smacnay | does the mount daemon recheck fstab periodically for mount points like nfs shares that might come on line? |
| 01:13.30 | schwepps | extor, sure, why not? |
| 01:13.57 | dimedo | is there a way to see in aptitude from which branch a version of a package comes (while using pinning) |
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| 01:15.49 | enouf | mikegriffin: aye ;-) however, seen apt-listchanges? |
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| 01:22.17 | enouf | extor: can't you just setup another user and launch firepoop from within that user's shell? (firefox-bin or whatever) .. copy over your preferences or whatever - or use firepoop's -profilemanager and create another user that way |
| 01:22.19 | dryrot | I unwisely upgraded puppet to testing and didnt do my pinning right and upgrade a whole bunch of other crap accidentally. how do i clear out the testing/unstable packages and make sure i only have etch packages installed ? |
| 01:22.19 | Decepticon | how do i remove wireless drivers and start over with my installation process |
| 01:22.43 | enouf | how did you install them? |
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| 01:23.58 | enouf | dryrot: /var/log/dpkg.log but how well this goes depends on much, like which packages they were and which dependencies were pulled in or upgraded |
| 01:24.16 | dryrot | no simple way then huh. ok |
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| 01:24.48 | Nutzebahn | Does anyone know of any free SMS server programs? |
| 01:25.04 | enouf | dryrot: /msg dpkg sowngrade |
| 01:25.07 | enouf | dryrot: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 01:25.11 | Decepticon | enouf i think some method involving sudo dpkg -i /usr/src/rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-6-686_0cvs20060928-1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6_i386.deb |
| 01:25.31 | Decepticon | i read it from less /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian |
| 01:25.34 | enouf | Decepticon: ok, so dpkg -P .deb |
| 01:25.35 | azeem | dryrot: maybe try apt-show-versions |
| 01:26.01 | JordiGH | Decepticon: I think I saw something in d-user about problems with the Ralink chipset and newer drivers. :-( Is that what's happening to you? |
| 01:27.13 | Decepticon | JordiGH im not able to see ssids out in the area that i know exist. i am thinking theres something wrong with my driver installation |
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| 01:28.31 | theRealBall | fapestniegd ok so in that case can i go back and use find and cpio to copy over ? |
| 01:28.59 | theRealBall | after cpio will du show space saved? |
| 01:29.08 | otro_viajero7 | someone does know how to access a cellular ( Motorola w375 ) from debian? |
| 01:30.26 | fapestniegd | theRealBall: copying a file requires twice the space, unless you compress one or both |
| 01:31.06 | fapestniegd | a hard link doesn't save space so much as there is only one copy of the file, and two inodes pointing to it. |
| 01:31.16 | JordiGH | Decepticon: I may be misremembering. I don't see anything in d-user like what I thought I saw. |
| 01:31.45 | JordiGH | is currently polishing an etch install on his mom's lappy, a woman who last week mastered the concept of drag-and-drop. |
| 01:31.57 | theRealBall | i know but say i've already use cp -rf A to B but if i do find cpio A to B will space be re-conserved? |
| 01:32.08 | fapestniegd | no |
| 01:32.30 | fapestniegd | if you used cpio | gzip it would |
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| 01:32.41 | fapestniegd | but then the target file would be compressed |
| 01:32.48 | theRealBall | yea but the orgininal media doesn't have the files compressed |
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| 01:33.09 | theRealBall | i'm simply copying over with find and cpio after mistakenly using cp -rf |
| 01:33.20 | fapestniegd | do you just want a backup, or another copy uncompressed? |
| 01:33.51 | theRealBall | another copy just as is from my cd to my local hard disk so this thing would boot properly :) |
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| 01:34.26 | theRealBall | i would think cpio would copy over the mistaken cp -rf action |
| 01:34.44 | theRealBall | i mean undo the action of cp -rf |
| 01:34.56 | fapestniegd | "find . -depth |cpio -o |(cd newdir; cpio -idm)" and "cp -R" are equivalent |
| 01:35.06 | fapestniegd | neither will save you space over the other |
| 01:35.21 | theRealBall | erhm |
| 01:35.43 | theRealBall | yea i used "find location -print |
| 01:35.49 | fapestniegd | (except in very special cases where your block sizes differ greatly, and you either have very large files or a lot of small ones) |
| 01:35.59 | fapestniegd | same thing |
| 01:35.59 | theRealBall | | cpio -pdumv destination |
| 01:36.10 | fapestniegd | all you did was make a 1:1 copy |
| 01:36.21 | JordiGH | Any idea of n00bs (and I mean total computer n00bs, very few preconceived notions of what a computer should do) would be scared by boot messages? Should I hide them behind splashy? |
| 01:36.23 | theRealBall | in concern with hardlinks |
| 01:36.29 | fapestniegd | so copying N Meg will require 2N of space |
| 01:36.39 | JordiGH | doesn't want to much around with kernel bootsplash patches. |
| 01:36.43 | fapestniegd | oh! |
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| 01:36.54 | fapestniegd | crap. I see what you're saying |
| 01:37.15 | fapestniegd | yeah, cpio should preserve the hardlink relationships that cp wouldn't |
| 01:37.26 | fapestniegd | sorry |
| 01:37.29 | fapestniegd | I need coffee |
| 01:37.35 | theRealBall | no problem really apprec |
| 01:37.40 | fapestniegd | goes for coffee |
| 01:38.07 | agike | Hi, when I do ' apt-get -f upgrade --fix-missing |
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| 01:39.00 | agike | I get Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:39.15 | agike | Hmm Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:39.22 | agike | 20070329Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
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| 01:40.23 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.29 | greeg | hi |
| 01:40.56 | agike | IErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:41.02 | agike | IErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:41.08 | agike | IErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:41.23 | agike | I have tried deleting the cvs and running Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:41.59 | theRealBall | fapestniegd i guess my question was do i need to delete the files i cp'ed and then recopy them over with cpio is what i'm asking |
| 01:42.00 | agike | I have tri3ed deleting the cvs and running apt-get -f install but keep getting the same error msgs ... Urgh ! |
| 01:42.19 | JordiGH | agike: How about telling us what the actual error was? |
| 01:42.31 | JordiGH | agike: Instead of flooding? |
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| 01:44.40 | agike | Yeah sorry .. IErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:44.46 | JordiGH | No. |
| 01:44.47 | JordiGH | Before that. |
| 01:44.48 | azeem | that's not the error |
| 01:44.53 | agike | Hmm .. |
| 01:44.56 | agike | IErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutilcvs49_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb |
| 01:45.10 | JordiGH | You're posting the same thing over and over again, do you realise? |
| 01:45.13 | azeem | agike: if you repeat that another time, I doubt anybody will still try to help you |
| 01:45.19 | agike | I will be back in a minute on another IRC client. |
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| 01:47.01 | greeg | i just installed Debian etch. I noticed i have gnome rather than kde. it's nice but im wandering if the CD (which came from a magazine), provided an option to install KDE. |
| 01:47.31 | greeg | im code Qt. |
| 01:47.39 | JordiGH | greeg: You need a different install CD if you want to install with KDE, but there's nothing stopping you now from installing KDE from Debian's repositories. |
| 01:47.45 | greeg | and Kdevelop |
| 01:47.45 | azeem | greeg: do you have internet? |
| 01:48.31 | JordiGH | codes with Qt in Gnome, heh. |
| 01:48.32 | greeg | hmm there was a second DVD with the magazine which it didnt prompt me to insert. |
| 01:48.49 | JordiGH | greeg: Only two DVDs? Not three? |
| 01:49.00 | azeem | greeg: you said CD not DVD |
| 01:49.09 | azeem | if it's a DVD, it might have KDE on it as well |
| 01:49.14 | greeg | The mag provided 2 DVD's |
| 01:49.15 | JordiGH | greeg: The second (or maybe the first) DVD probably has KDE in it. Try "aptitude install kde" and see apt already knows where to find KDE. |
| 01:50.18 | greeg | what files to edit after i run "aptitude install kde"? How do i get X to point at kdm rather than gdm? |
| 01:50.45 | azeem | install kdm and remove gdm |
| 01:50.52 | JordiGH | greeg: You should get a prompt to choose kdm instead of gdm. Note that you'll still have to tell kdm to run a KDE session instead of a Gnome session. |
| 01:51.31 | greeg | kk, thanx folks. |
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| 01:52.16 | qmr | I'm doing some benchmarks to see how much prelink speeds up application loading. What are some applications I should use?? |
| 01:52.49 | azeem | Quintin: openoffice.org |
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| 01:53.10 | Quintin | azeem: naturally. what else? I have OOo and Firefox3 on the list |
| 01:53.24 | JordiGH | azeem: Btw, OO.o loads very fast on my lappy nowadays. Did they change something? |
| 01:54.06 | azeem | eh, dunni |
| 01:54.09 | azeem | dunno* |
| 01:55.12 | JordiGH | So what is prelink? |
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| 01:56.02 | intr80_ | the global "location" ? |
| 01:56.26 | Quintin | JordiGH: using the preloader? |
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| 01:56.57 | JordiGH | Quintin: You mean OO.o? I'm not sure if I'm using the preloader. How do I check? |
| 01:57.26 | Quintin | JordiGH: notification area. there will be an icon there |
| 01:57.34 | JordiGH | Quintin: Nothing of the sort. |
| 01:58.13 | Quintin | JordiGH: I would use it if I were you. Costs several megs of ram, but saves a lot of time |
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| 01:58.58 | Quintin | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgjt82rz_42gz2z7ghf |
| 01:59.01 | JordiGH | Quintin: I don't really use office stuff. And my point is that it loads noticeably faster than before even though I don't think I'm using a preloader. |
| 01:59.30 | Quintin | JordiGH: what kind of hardware? I know there was a performance jump when 2.x came out, but that's been awhile ago.. |
| 01:59.49 | JordiGH | q |
| 01:59.56 | agike2 | Hi guys, sorry about the flooding - I was trying to do two things at one time and IRSSI kept interpreting an apostrophe as a command to repost .. |
| 02:00.07 | JordiGH | Quintin: 4 gigs of RAM, 2.something GHz Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 02:00.40 | JordiGH | Yeah, oowriter just loaded in about 12 seconds. |
| 02:01.00 | JordiGH | The first time. The second time it takes about 2 seconds. |
| 02:01.28 | Quintin | JordiGH: read my google doc? <3 |
| 02:02.19 | JordiGH | Quintin: Yes. |
| 02:02.34 | JordiGH | Quintin: You think OO.o is using prelinking without me knowing about it? |
| 02:03.10 | Quintin | JordiGH: nono, not possible |
| 02:04.13 | Quintin | This article is so going to make digg :P not that that means anything |
| 02:04.32 | pipeline | JordiGH, Quintin : Well, it is POSSIBLE. OO.o is a pretty complicated application with a runtime of its own :X |
| 02:05.44 | JordiGH | I have had my mom using Firefox on Windows for a while. I wonder if it would be advantageous to change the Iceweasel icon to Firefox. She recognises the trademark now. |
| 02:06.03 | extor | In DOS if I want to rename all .asp files to .php I just have to type "ren *.asp *.php" and it works, but in bash I tried "mv *.asp *.php" but it failed, how can I do this from the shell? |
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| 02:06.30 | JordiGH | extor: Try "rename 's/\.asp/\.php/' * |
| 02:06.33 | JordiGH | Perlisms ftw! |
| 02:06.35 | azeem | extor: or mmv |
| 02:06.43 | extor | mmv? |
| 02:06.52 | azeem | mmv. |
| 02:07.10 | extor | says command not found too mmv |
| 02:07.13 | JordiGH | azeem: Isn't the rename perlism part of the base install? |
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| 02:07.17 | azeem | !installit |
| 02:07.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 02:07.43 | extor | Geez Im so sorry for assuming stock bash would beat MS DOS 1.0 |
| 02:07.49 | Quintin | Ok guys last chance to suggest something for my benchmarks :P |
| 02:07.53 | azeem | extor: please stop trolling |
| 02:08.12 | extor | I'm not trolling, just asking a simple question |
| 02:08.17 | JordiGH | extor: I already gave you a solution that's much better anything DOS could offer. Perl's rename is powerful. |
| 02:08.26 | Quintin | extor: ask #bash #sed #awk , they will have 2348324 different ways to do it |
| 02:08.26 | azeem | and you've got two answers |
| 02:08.37 | JordiGH | extor: If you don't want to install anything new, just do what I said. |
| 02:09.01 | agike2 | I seem have a conflict between late-model deb pkgs libavutil49, libavcodec51, libpostproc51, and libswscale0 dated ~ 20080612, and their cvs versions from MarillatErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:09.03 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.20 | extor | JordiGH, ok I see what you wrote, it looks similar to a sed line I am very used to using for substitution |
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| 02:09.45 | JordiGH | extor: Of course it is! Perl borrows from sed (and awk, and C, and wherever else it can) |
| 02:10.17 | agike2 | s UCLA source www.debian.multimedia.org dated 20070329. |
| 02:10.47 | agike2 | The only way I can upgrade is by using -f. IErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:10.49 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.53 | azeem | agike2: either post the FULL output of the command you're running to a pastebin, or ask the debian-maintainers people, not us |
| 02:10.57 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 02:10.57 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 02:11.22 | agike2 | I understand .. IErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:11.24 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.38 | JordiGH | Is there a Compiz fusion for etch? |
| 02:11.46 | azeem | agike2: and stop hitting that key |
| 02:11.55 | agike2 | I think I keep hitting SPACE and it posts this stuff .. |
| 02:12.13 | azeem | then fix your terminal |
| 02:12.40 | agike2 | Apologies |
| 02:14.13 | agike2 | IErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:14.14 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.21 | agike2 | IErrors were encountered while processing:ll come back later |
| 02:14.23 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.25 | agike2 | IErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:14.27 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.34 | agike2 | I will come back later |
| 02:15.00 | dryrot | how can i tell which version of openvpn is in stable or testing or sid ? |
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| 02:15.21 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 02:15.36 | dendrite | dryrot: packages.debian.org? |
| 02:15.39 | man_in_shack | is there a 32bit libhal-dev package for amd64? |
| 02:15.50 | dryrot | dendrite: i think http://packages.debian.org has been broken all day |
| 02:16.07 | dendrite | dryrot: Oh. Doh! |
| 02:16.23 | dendrite | dryrot: Add 'em to sources, update, and run apt-cache policy <package> ? |
| 02:16.23 | JordiGH | !!! |
| 02:16.23 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:16.30 | JordiGH | can't connect to p.d.o either |
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| 02:16.41 | LtL | What's the latest Etch Kernel? I have 2.6.25-4 |
| 02:16.41 | dendrite | dryrot: Then remove those from your sources, and re-run update, of course... |
| 02:16.48 | dryrot | dendrite: that's no fun |
| 02:17.10 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.28 | man_in_shack | extor, have you tried: 's/\.asp/.php/' ? |
| 02:18.45 | extor | No |
| 02:18.48 | extor | someone told me to use g |
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| 02:19.18 | man_in_shack | g is used when there's more than one occurrence per line |
| 02:19.27 | dendrite | extor: Not sure why you don't just use your editor's search-and-destroy function... |
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| 02:19.46 | extor | dendrite, cuz I dunno how to use it in vi |
| 02:20.06 | dendrite | extor: :%s/\.asp/.php/g |
| 02:20.35 | JordiGH | Wow. Then why are you using vi? ;-) |
| 02:20.51 | extor | sighs |
| 02:21.16 | JordiGH | Nah, man. I'm just saying. Using vi is a religious choice. If you're gonna be using it, you better know your own religion. |
| 02:21.48 | JordiGH | In Emacs, it's C-%. ;-) |
| 02:21.56 | dendrite | JordiGH: Or at least be willing to learn... |
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| 02:23.10 | enouf | azeem: did you not mean debian-multimedia people? --> " .... or ask the debian-maintainers people, not us" |
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| 02:24.53 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, while trying to mount afat32 partition (micro sd card) I found it attached to /dev/sg2 but when I do mount -t fat32 it drops me fat32 filesystem not found... how can I invoke fat32 filesystem? |
| 02:25.15 | man_in_shack | _ZeuZ_, call it vfat instead |
| 02:25.54 | JordiGH | Isn't debian-multimedia just one person? Marillat doesn't acknowledge any help with his packages. |
| 02:25.55 | _ZeuZ_ | man_in_shack, lovely, will do thanks |
| 02:25.55 | enouf | file -s /dev/sg2 says? |
| 02:25.57 | wols | !tell _ZeuZ_ about vfatrw |
| 02:26.18 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, while trying to mount afat32 partition (micro sd card) I found it attached to /dev/sg2 but when I do mount -t fat32 it drops me fat32 filesystem not found... how can I invoke fat32 filesystem? |
| 02:26.24 | _ZeuZ_ | sorry |
| 02:26.28 | _ZeuZ_ | I wanted to place the output |
| 02:26.35 | JordiGH | Btw, speaking of vfat, does vfat not allow characters like : or ? |
| 02:26.41 | schwepps | once you install testing, and update all packages, do you end up with the same system, regardless of installer? |
| 02:26.46 | _ZeuZ_ | /dev/sg2: writable, no read permission |
| 02:27.01 | JordiGH | I've got some oggs with those characters that I can't put into my ogg player without renaming. :-( |
| 02:27.18 | JordiGH | schwepps: You mean, if we both do it on the same day? |
| 02:27.31 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, you can force the module to allow those characters, but then it will break in a windows system |
| 02:27.33 | _ZeuZ_ | when I do it as root, it hangs and does not allow me to check it |
| 02:27.34 | enouf | oh well, is sg2 the /dev/ or is 2 the partition # |
| 02:27.40 | schwepps | JordiGH, yea |
| 02:27.42 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: That's fine, I don't use Windows. |
| 02:27.53 | schwepps | if you did it both in parallel, say |
| 02:27.59 | JordiGH | schwepps: I've seen small deviations from that ideal on different machines, even with etch, and I don't know why. |
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| 02:28.06 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, and your media player might die too :) |
| 02:28.14 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: Really? |
| 02:28.59 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, it might not be able to handle the ":" or "?" in filenames. depends on how the player's vfat driver is written |
| 02:29.17 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: root@Deimos:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sg2 /mnt/WindowsXPx64/ |
| 02:29.18 | _ZeuZ_ | mount: /dev/sg2 is not a block device |
| 02:29.20 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: but it won't kill the player, will it? |
| 02:29.43 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, depends how badly its driver is written :P |
| 02:29.52 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: I mean, the player will say, "wtf is this file?" but that's it? |
| 02:30.06 | man_in_shack | it might crash |
| 02:30.08 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: Uh, you're scaring me. Ok, fine. I'll keep renaming my oggs. :-( |
| 02:30.17 | enouf | JordiGH: i would stay far away from funky chars in filenames with dos/fat/vfat/ |
| 02:30.30 | wols | _ZeuZ_: cause sg2 was always wrong. check dmesg or fdisk -l |
| 02:30.38 | JordiGH | I have already seen some bugs in my player's firmware. I think most of them would be easy to fix. :-( |
| 02:30.41 | man_in_shack | they need to make more ext2 media players :) |
| 02:30.57 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: I wish I could flash new firmware to the player. |
| 02:31.08 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: in fdisk -l it's not shown, and in dmesg | less at the bottom I see it with /dev/sg2 |
| 02:31.09 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: But having firmware that plays Ogg is all sorts of cool, though. |
| 02:31.13 | wols | JordiGH: : and ? are reserved characters for fat (drive letter and such) |
| 02:31.15 | _ZeuZ_ | (and /dev/sg3) |
| 02:31.30 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, my iriver plays oggs and flacs natively |
| 02:32.00 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: Samsung yp-u2 here. It was very cheap too! It also records voice and plays FM radio. About 50 USD. |
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| 02:32.30 | schwepps | JordiGH, it plays ogg? |
| 02:32.34 | man_in_shack | 8GB iriver e100 was au$168 when i got it |
| 02:32.39 | JordiGH | schwepps: Yep. |
| 02:32.51 | _ZeuZ_ | It's a Motorola ROKR z6 though I cannot get to mount it... |
| 02:32.53 | man_in_shack | and it has a microsdhc expansion |
| 02:32.53 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: AUD is your ISO currency symbol, btw. |
| 02:32.55 | schwepps | JordiGH, that's pretty cool |
| 02:33.03 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, like i care |
| 02:33.03 | _ZeuZ_ | also tried to locate through file /dev/usbdev* |
| 02:33.32 | smacnay | is there a way to grab images from /dev/video0 (a web cam is hooked up and I want to see what the images look like)? |
| 02:33.54 | enouf | try /dev/fb0 |
| 02:34.00 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: Meh, people keep inventing different and incompatible currency symbols for their own currency. We need some standardisation. |
| 02:34.05 | _ZeuZ_ | enouf, that was for me? |
| 02:34.12 | enouf | no ZeuZ |
| 02:34.18 | _ZeuZ_ | Oh, sorry |
| 02:34.27 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: $ could mean at least 6 different currencies, although the AU really narrowed it down. |
| 02:34.36 | man_in_shack | exactly |
| 02:34.52 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: I've had people confused by $CDN |
| 02:35.02 | man_in_shack | canadia? :) |
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| 02:35.19 | JordiGH | Costa de Noruega. They use Costenian pesos there. |
| 02:35.28 | man_in_shack | ah, ok |
| 02:35.28 | enouf | ... |
| 02:35.37 | JordiGH | rofl |
| 02:35.41 | man_in_shack | i still like the people who think .ca in a url is california |
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| 02:36.53 | schwepps | if I'm tracking lenny, and lenny becomes stable, what will I be tracking? |
| 02:37.00 | man_in_shack | lenny |
| 02:37.09 | schwepps | so stable? |
| 02:37.18 | benjamindees | no, just lenny |
| 02:37.28 | enouf | yes, it woyuld be diff if you had testing there |
| 02:37.42 | man_in_shack | lenny is currently testing. if you track lenny, you will stay tracking lenny. if you track testing, you will stay tracking testing. |
| 02:37.51 | schwepps | ohh... |
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| 02:38.02 | enouf | right, testing's name will change .. sometime |
| 02:38.02 | JordiGH | Man, why did Debian pick such an ugly Iceweasel icon? Much prettier alternatives came up when this whole thing started. |
| 02:38.18 | enouf | maybe it'll be called doughnut O_o |
| 02:38.22 | benjamindees | if you track stable, you will upgrade from etch to lenny when lenny becomes stable |
| 02:38.26 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, because it's an ice weasel |
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| 02:39.46 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: I mean, did you look at all these? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IceWeaselIcon |
| 02:39.47 | man_in_shack | why does my unstable/amd64 not have ia32-libs-dev in apt at all? :( |
| 02:39.54 | JordiGH | Our iceweasel doesn't look furry enough. |
| 02:39.58 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, why should i? ubuntu is evil |
| 02:40.06 | JordiGH | And for a while, it was humping a green globe, instead of a blue one. |
| 02:40.30 | JordiGH | man_in_shack: It's not evil. Anyways, it's just the icons I'm talking about, nothing related to Ubuntu. |
| 02:40.33 | man_in_shack | note: ice is not furry |
| 02:40.46 | man_in_shack | i personally don't care |
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| 02:41.04 | man_in_shack | it's not like i have to stare at it all day |
| 02:41.36 | JordiGH | I stare at it at on the corner of my windows. :-) |
| 02:41.37 | man_in_shack | i use iceweasel as a web browser, not to stare at its icon going "god, that's a damn ugly icon" |
| 02:41.52 | man_in_shack | wonders why packages.debian.org is going so slowly |
| 02:41.57 | JordiGH | likes pretty icons. |
| 02:42.24 | man_in_shack | ok, why is ia32-libs-dev only packaged for ia64? |
| 02:42.28 | schwepps | lol, some of those icons look like the weasel is humping the earth |
| 02:42.47 | wols | man_in_shack: has been slow to the point to timeout all day now |
| 02:42.56 | man_in_shack | it's not timing out for me |
| 02:43.02 | man_in_shack | it's just going slow |
| 02:43.06 | man_in_shack | i wonder if it's under attack |
| 02:43.22 | enouf | Quintin: Konqueror, or K Control Center, or .. |
| 02:43.41 | wols | what would a dev package be good for? |
| 02:43.42 | JordiGH | schwepps: I think they all do. |
| 02:45.37 | schwepps | wait, wikipedia says iceweasel is now icecat |
| 02:46.08 | JordiGH | schwepps: The GNU one yes. Not the Debian one. |
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| 02:46.28 | man_in_shack | "For the GNU browser formerly known as IceWeasel, see GNU IceCat." |
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| 02:48.48 | slim1 | i installed new system and want to clean it from development packages, documentation ..etc how can i do this ? |
| 02:48.50 | JordiGH | I've got a kernel module that expects to find a Makefile at /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source. There's actually a Makefile in the build/ directory. Should I softlink? |
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| 02:49.10 | evilsporkman | is p.d.o bein real slow for anyone else? |
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| 02:49.46 | JordiGH | evilsporkman: Yes. |
| 02:49.50 | enouf | JordiGH: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build should be a symlink |
| 02:50.06 | enouf | JordiGH: readlink -f /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build should be a symlink |
| 02:50.26 | enouf | er, drop the repeat of words |
| 02:50.35 | JordiGH | enouf: Ah, it is. |
| 02:50.54 | JordiGH | enouf: But I don't have a source/ directory there like this module expects. |
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| 02:51.09 | checkone | I am looking for a PHP/MySQL developer & also a graphic designer for immediate work on jobs I can supply. Please PM me if you are interested in this work. |
| 02:52.08 | enouf | JordiGH: well /build should point to source/headers, not sure what to tell you, edit the makefile? |
| 02:53.32 | JordiGH | slim1: Something like dpkg --get-selections | grep '\binstall' | grep '\-dev' | awk '{print $1;}' | xargs aptitude -s remove |
| 02:53.51 | JordiGH | slim1: Edit that pipeline to fit your needs. |
| 02:54.02 | slim1 | thanks JordiGH |
| 02:54.36 | JordiGH | slim1: a similar one for -doc packages might help. Note that aptitude doesn't like to just remove every dev package; more fine-tuning might be necessary. |
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| 02:55.38 | slim1 | yes, JordiGH this is a good starting i will do some reading to know the rest |
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| 02:57.28 | ffm | Is http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license Debian-free? |
| 02:57.47 | JordiGH | ffm: There's a lengthy discussion at d-legal about that. I think the latest consensus is no. |
| 02:58.16 | ffm | JordiGH: Damn. |
| 02:58.36 | ffm | JordiGH: Any chance we can get the devels to move to something more sane? |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | like what? |
| 02:58.51 | abrotman | ignoring the DFSG ? |
| 02:58.54 | ffm | abrotman: a more sane licence. |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | ask truecrypt .. not us |
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| 02:59.38 | ffm | Ok. What's a comperable software? |
| 03:00.03 | mikegriffin | ffm: take the 1.3 tree and start bringing it up to 2.4 land gpl style |
| 03:00.06 | ffm | ie well tested, guie, etc. |
| 03:00.11 | ffm | *GUI |
| 03:00.13 | JordiGH | uses cryptsetup to encrypt hard drive with AES-256 and is happy. |
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| 03:03.45 | JordiGH | ffm: What else do you need encrypting? Gnome in lenny seems to have a fairly well-integrated interface to gpg encryption. |
| 03:03.53 | JordiGH | You get a context menu for "encrypt this". Yay. |
| 03:04.57 | man_in_shack | hmmph |
| 03:05.10 | man_in_shack | does anyone know why there is no ia32-libs-dev for amd64 since sarge? |
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| 03:05.23 | ffm | JordiGH: I'm just talking about small directories and such |
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| 03:05.51 | ffm | JordiGH: Although the well-intergrated int. doesn;t do so OTF. |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | man_in_shack: dev libraries the same ? |
| 03:06.04 | ffm | JordiGH: I'd rather not have the contents of said dir touch the disk. |
| 03:06.30 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i'm trying to build wine, and it's complaining it can't find libhal |
| 03:06.55 | man_in_shack | abrotman, from what i can tell, it's because i don't have ia32-libs-dev installed. it's not installable in anything newer than sarge |
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| 03:07.18 | abrotman | winehq has wine packages |
| 03:07.23 | man_in_shack | i know |
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| 03:07.29 | man_in_shack | and do you want to know how old they are? |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | do they have crust ? |
| 03:07.42 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to take over as their debian packager |
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| 03:07.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:07.56 | benjamindees | oklahoma declares sovereignty |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | benjamindees: knock it off |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | man_in_shack: doesn't sid have amd64 wine packages ? |
| 03:08.33 | man_in_shack | abrotman, winehq guys don't like the debian packages |
| 03:08.43 | pricklybushes | does anyone know if it is possible to reverse ssh into a tivo |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | man_in_shack: that's fine .. they still build on amd64 .. see how they do it ? |
| 03:09.01 | man_in_shack | which is why they have in the past had their own packages for debian and ubuntu |
| 03:09.12 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i tried that. their current package manager is a jerk and won't help |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | even though they suck just as bad :) |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you can look at the packages ? |
| 03:09.39 | man_in_shack | that wouldn't really help me find dependencies |
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| 03:10.19 | abrotman | aren't they in the control files ? |
| 03:10.38 | enouf | wow .. the internet is soooooo broken |
| 03:10.44 | man_in_shack | sure, but if it has hal as a dep, i wouldn't know where to get the packages from |
| 03:10.53 | man_in_shack | and if it doesn't have hal as a dep, then it won't work as well as it should |
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| 03:12.14 | abrotman | eh ? |
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| 03:14.03 | roe_ | is packages.debian.org having some trouble? |
| 03:14.17 | man_in_shack | roe_, isn't it obvious? |
| 03:14.28 | roe_ | a little |
| 03:14.38 | roe_ | hardware failure? |
| 03:14.47 | abrotman | roe_: been down all day .. along with a few other hosts .. it's apparently a network issue |
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| 03:15.43 | JordiGH | It's a fire sale! |
| 03:16.47 | roe_ | is the madwifi driver not prebuilt? |
| 03:16.57 | wols | roe_: it's non-free |
| 03:17.05 | wols | !tell roe_ about madwifi |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 03:17.40 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 03:19.35 | man_in_shack | hmm, i need to find the build deps |
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| 03:21.03 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 03:21.23 | man_in_shack | abrotman, the current winehq package depends on ia32-libs, build-depends on libhal-dev |
| 03:21.56 | man_in_shack | libhal-dev, at least in unstable, does not install ia32 -dev files |
| 03:22.50 | Nutzebahn | Does anyone know of any free SMS server programs? |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | just email the phone |
| 03:23.39 | man_in_shack | Nutzebahn, any such program would need to talk to a phone provider for distributing SMSs. phone providers don't offer this free-of-charge |
| 03:23.44 | man_in_shack | Nutzebahn, so the answer is no |
| 03:23.58 | abrotman | man_in_shack: is there a source package for ia32-libs? what packages does it build if you build it ? |
| 03:24.02 | Nutzebahn | I am talking about a SMS server program. |
| 03:24.05 | abrotman | has no amd64 to check |
| 03:24.11 | abrotman | Nutzebahn: apt-cache search sms |
| 03:24.26 | Nutzebahn | I have that program |
| 03:24.32 | Nutzebahn | I don't know how to use it. Help? |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | man apt-cache ? |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | Nutzebahn: which version of debian do you have? |
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| 03:25.32 | Nutzebahn | Ubuntu 7.10. |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | then ask them .. |
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| 03:25.46 | abrotman | we do NOT support ubuntu here .. ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 03:26.07 | man_in_shack | well i can't get it through apt |
| 03:26.09 | JordiGH | Heh. Ubuntu is not a version of Debian. ::P |
| 03:26.11 | JordiGH | :P |
| 03:26.25 | abrotman | man_in_shack: get what? apt-get source ia32-libs ? |
| 03:26.31 | man_in_shack | ah, nvm, i stuffed up |
| 03:26.44 | man_in_shack | Need to get 307MB of source archives. <<< :O |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 03:27.09 | man_in_shack | ia32-libs source package is 307MB |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | yay i think |
| 03:27.21 | JordiGH | What do I need in order to get "make menuconfig" to work? The debian kernel package? |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | and build-essential |
| 03:27.43 | man_in_shack | that seems a bit excessive for a 26MB binary package and 2MB dev package |
| 03:27.44 | benjamindees | JordiGH, ncurses... beaten again |
| 03:28.07 | man_in_shack | JordiGH, you need the kernel source, and to run "make menuconfig" in the kernel source directory |
| 03:28.18 | man_in_shack | and what abrotman said :) |
| 03:28.23 | abrotman | man_in_shack: i don't have an amd64 box .. so i can't really tell you much about it that is platform specific |
| 03:28.31 | drwahl | i am trying to setup synergy to work with 2 debian installs (my desktop and my fileserver). it appears that the server (my desktop) starts up without error. when i try to start the client (my fileserver), i get "WARNING: synergyc.cpp,337: cannot open secondary screen: unable to open screen" amongst the debug info. any ideas why the client wouldn't be able to connect to the server when the server shows no errors? |
| 03:28.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: if you want make-kpkg .. that's in kernel-package |
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| 03:28.56 | man_in_shack | hugs make-kpkg |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | !tell JordiGH about kpmantra |
| 03:29.03 | abrotman | !tell JordiGH about kp mantra |
| 03:29.03 | man_in_shack | bbl |
| 03:29.33 | JordiGH | Thanks all. |
| 03:29.46 | enouf | JordiGH: you want to copy over your existing config and run make oldconfig prior to make menuconfig |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | he doesn't need make oldconfig if he copies it to .config |
| 03:30.26 | enouf | need? |
| 03:30.42 | enouf | he should, so he sees all the new features |
| 03:31.52 | enouf | awaits the rhetort that will never come |
| 03:32.13 | enouf | abrotman: Btw, how's your booboo? |
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| 03:32.58 | abrotman | enouf: still can't drive my car (stick)/bike/run/lift stuff/play guitar ... oh .. but i can type! :) |
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| 03:33.13 | enouf | ouch .. |
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| 03:33.56 | enouf | i cracked mine in like 5th grade or something, had to even sleep with a sling on .. ugh |
| 03:34.01 | benjamindees | blows party horn |
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| 03:34.54 | Tramp | what? collarbone? |
| 03:34.59 | enouf | yep |
| 03:35.08 | mike12 | Does a binary version of the ndiswrapper modules exist? I'm really having a hard time building this. |
| 03:35.13 | Tramp | hehe. typical biking injury. |
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| 03:35.47 | abrotman | Tramp: more precisely .. the Scapular Acromion .. |
| 03:35.56 | abrotman | Tramp: it was in about four pieces |
| 03:35.57 | enouf | nah, for me, my older brother and i were practicing judo flips \o/ |
| 03:36.10 | Tramp | abrotman: Uh. Nasty. Four pieces --> surgery? |
| 03:36.24 | enouf | oh .. i've crashed on my bike ,. bad at times, unconscious once |
| 03:36.26 | JordiGH | Uh-oh. |
| 03:36.26 | JordiGH | I have to copy the old config? |
| 03:36.29 | JordiGH | I have an old config? |
| 03:36.36 | abrotman | Tramp: they wouldn't even if they thought it would help .. apparently they won't operate where you have roadrash .. too much risk of bone infection |
| 03:36.43 | JordiGH | I'm thinking it may be easier to get an etchnhalf kernel with the iwlwifi driver built in. :-/ |
| 03:36.57 | Tramp | abrotman: ah. I see. |
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| 03:37.25 | benjamindees | JordiGH, do it; etchnhalf needs some testing :) |
| 03:37.53 | Tramp | abrotman: So you won't be able to wear shoulde-free dresses in the future |
| 03:38.25 | abrotman | ah i can .. i just have a slightly protruding bone on one side |
| 03:38.41 | Tramp | 8) |
| 03:38.45 | enouf | abrotman: now, i can see your hump! :-p |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | yeah .. pretty much |
| 03:38.59 | benjamindees | secedes from the channel |
| 03:39.06 | Quintin | enouf: Too late, tests over. :D |
| 03:39.27 | enouf | Quintin: results are in? :-O |
| 03:39.46 | Quintin | I need some numbers right quick... if a few people could do hdparm -tT /dev/<system drive> , and please say here or PM me results, and the type of hard drive, I would appreciate it |
| 03:39.50 | Quintin | enouf: Yes! |
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| 03:40.30 | Quintin | enouf: Are you a writer or do you know how to make graphs? :P I want to make this all pretty and such |
| 03:40.31 | abrotman | Quintin: 42 |
| 03:40.35 | labbz | Hello, i have just installed debian through netinstall. But can't find packages like tcl8.5 ? have tried apt-get update but doesn't help much |
| 03:40.41 | Quintin | abrotman: :\ |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | labbz: etch ? |
| 03:41.02 | abrotman | labbz: apt-cache --names-only search tcl |
| 03:41.08 | mike12 | http://pastebin.com/m7e01554e <-- it appears to be saying I altered the makefile...and I didn't. |
| 03:41.12 | labbz | abrotman: think so, I found it on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | that's etch |
| 03:41.22 | labbz | right |
| 03:41.27 | Quintin | abrotman: pleeeeaaase? |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | Quintin: all the results ? |
| 03:42.18 | roe_ | what package is iwlist in? |
| 03:42.19 | JordiGH | Where is the new kernel built? If I messed it up, I can just boot the old one, right? |
| 03:42.22 | Quintin | abrotman: yea. cached and buffered |
| 03:42.26 | JordiGH | Where is the new kernel built? If I messed it up, I can just boot the old one, right? |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | Quintin: http://paste.debian.net/6506/ |
| 03:42.46 | abrotman | roe_: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:42.57 | enouf | Quintin: no, no writer, i suck at many things |
| 03:43.17 | roe_ | abrotman apt-cache search iwlist doesn't return any results |
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| 03:43.18 | Quintin | enouf: can you make graphs? :| |
| 03:43.23 | abrotman | roe_: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:43.24 | enouf | nope |
| 03:43.30 | Quintin | abrotman: what kind of disk? |
| 03:43.44 | enouf | i can pm you my hdparm on a p2 :-P |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | Quintin: eh .. laptop 4200rpm .. four years old or so |
| 03:43.47 | labbz | abrotman: Hmm, strange.. Still no tcl8.5! ubuntu got it as .deb(loop) would that help? |
| 03:43.52 | JordiGH | What are they doing to the internets? |
| 03:43.53 | abrotman | labbz: apt-cache --names-only search tcl |
| 03:44.02 | abrotman | labbz: i doubt etch has 8.5 .. probably .3 or .4 |
| 03:44.05 | labbz | still no tcl8.5 lol |
| 03:44.15 | labbz | .5 is latest |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | and? |
| 03:44.26 | labbz | I need it lol |
| 03:44.31 | abrotman | for? |
| 03:44.40 | Quintin | abrotman: ok. I guess my RAID 0 is providing some performance boost.. |
| 03:44.55 | abrotman | Quintin: over a 4200rpm laptop hdd .. i hope so |
| 03:44.59 | Quintin | abrotman: heh. |
| 03:45.09 | Quintin | abrotman: I get 1117.84 / 108.94 |
| 03:45.30 | labbz | abrotman: programming ? |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | Quintin: yeah .. but mine is a laptop drive .. and old |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | labbz: etch isn't likely to have .5 .. when was .5 released ? |
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| 03:46.27 | labbz | March 28.2008 |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | etch was released in 2007 |
| 03:46.53 | labbz | right |
| 03:47.00 | labbz | but thought upgrades had it.. |
| 03:47.03 | abrotman | if you want tcl8.5 .. lenny has it .. but lenny isn't released, and things might break |
| 03:47.03 | labbz | anyway thanks for help |
| 03:47.11 | labbz | right |
| 03:47.14 | labbz | thanks |
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| 03:48.19 | benjamindees | roe_, wireless-tools |
| 03:48.45 | man_in_shack | it's frustrating when people don't understand how debian releases work |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | yeah .. well |
| 03:49.19 | enouf | roe_: you want apt-file as the factoid mentions, and install dlocate while you're at it |
| 03:49.46 | benjamindees | I used debian for four years before knowing how releases worked :) |
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| 03:49.56 | enouf | weirdo |
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| 03:53.03 | man_in_shack | it took me about a month to learn how debian releases worked, and that was only cos someone gave me a bunch of discs and said "here, install this. you'll like it" |
| 03:53.13 | man_in_shack | those discs were woody/testing |
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| 03:58.32 | JordiGH | There was some environment variable you could set in order to get debug information from apt. I want to know what file it's trying to download. |
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| 04:00.08 | man_in_shack | is there a way to grab lists of build-deps from apt? |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | apt-get build-dep <pkg> ? |
| 04:00.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: read the man page .. i'm sure it's there |
| 04:00.55 | man_in_shack | abrotman, that installs stuff. i just want the list |
| 04:01.01 | abrotman | can't you say no ? |
| 04:01.08 | abrotman | it prompts you |
| 04:01.26 | abrotman | the build-deps are in the control file |
| 04:01.35 | man_in_shack | i have an apt install going now though |
| 04:02.42 | man_in_shack | ah, apt-cache showsrc does it |
| 04:04.34 | man_in_shack | ok, debian's package also build-depends on libhal-dev and ia32-libs |
| 04:05.14 | abrotman | and? |
| 04:05.42 | man_in_shack | well, i have both of those installed, but there's still no 32bit libhal development stuff |
| 04:05.47 | man_in_shack | so wine can't find it |
| 04:07.10 | abrotman | what's the actual error you're getting ? |
| 04:08.33 | man_in_shack | when i run ./configure --verbose for wine: configure: libhal development files not found, no dynamic device support. |
| 04:09.58 | man_in_shack | it's also missing dbus, it seems |
| 04:10.00 | abrotman | and you have libhal-dev installed ? |
| 04:10.11 | man_in_shack | yes. how many times? |
| 04:10.20 | abrotman | installing it once should suffice :) |
| 04:10.35 | abrotman | check the configure script to see what it's actually looking for ?> |
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| 04:11.25 | man_in_shack | config.log actually seems to indicate that missing -ldbus is the problem |
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| 04:12.17 | abrotman | should be easy to fix ? |
| 04:13.23 | man_in_shack | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-d57ca01ea501db91240175bafbbf7fa3 << that suggests creating a symlink. that fixes the issue |
| 04:13.42 | man_in_shack | which means the configure message is wrong |
| 04:13.54 | abrotman | go tell #winehq they're idiots :) |
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| 04:14.45 | man_in_shack | will be filing a bug report |
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| 04:20.31 | South3rn | Hi |
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| 04:24.09 | kingsley | South3rn: Hi |
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| 04:26.03 | South3rn | hey kingsley :) |
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| 04:27.02 | South3rn | could anyone lend me a hand? I've just upgraded to lenny and I'm having trouble with apt, locales, and a merl message that says: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Text/Iconv/Iconv.so .... I can't find anything on how to fix this, anyhelp will be appreciated! Thanks on forehand! |
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| 04:36.19 | kingsley | South3rn: 1.) Did you mean to write "perl" instead of "merl", 2.) What is the exact command that gives the error message, and 3.) what's the exact error message? |
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| 04:38.13 | owen1 | i am going to install debian on a new partition. will i be able to access the files on the old partition (ubuntu)? |
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| 04:39.56 | SeveredCross | Yep, as long as it's a filesystem that Debian knows. |
| 04:40.05 | kingsley | owen1: I don't know about ubuntu, but I can vouch for accessing the old partition under debian, and I'd be surprised if ubuntu couldn't. I suggest searching Google's indices for a howto, tutorial or faq on configuring ubuntu for dual booting. |
| 04:40.39 | kingsley | South3rn: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/this-afternoon-i-just-want-to-update-the-debianbut-failed-647593/ |
| 04:41.11 | man_in_shack | it's what filesystems the *kernel* supports |
| 04:41.43 | SeveredCross | man_in_shack: So I was simplifying, sue me. |
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| 04:41.59 | SeveredCross | You need the userspace tools too though, mount.fstype and such. |
| 04:42.00 | man_in_shack | advice taken |
| 04:42.05 | man_in_shack | sues SeveredCross |
| 04:42.12 | man_in_shack | see you in court! |
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| 04:42.18 | SeveredCross | files a motion to dismiss |
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| 04:44.29 | benjamindees | files amicus brief requesting the use of GNU/Debian and GNU/kernel |
| 04:45.03 | jdahm | started the X server in 1440x900 with correct displaysize in xorg.conf and most fonts are unreadable except this one flxubox theme. Are there some fonts packages I need to install perhaps? |
| 04:46.14 | SeveredCross | benjamindees: I use some non GNU things. |
| 04:46.21 | SeveredCross | Also, GNU/kernel is inaccurate and confusing to the court. |
| 04:46.37 | SeveredCross | Since GNU and the kernel are separate and unrelated entities. |
| 04:46.59 | man_in_shack | gnu/kernel would implies hurd to me |
| 04:46.59 | kingsley | jdahm: apt-cache search xfont |
| 04:48.04 | owen1 | kingsley: thanks. googling for it. |
| 04:48.38 | wols | owen1: don't. it will simply work |
| 04:48.55 | wols | the most that could change is file owners, which is easily rectified |
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| 04:55.47 | jdahm | kingsley: the fonts on gkrellm and every other windiw is unreadable |
| 04:57.14 | SeveredCross | jdahm: Are fonts on the VT's readable? |
| 04:57.20 | SeveredCross | (Ie. If you press C-A-F1) |
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| 05:00.11 | jdahm | SeveredCross: yep |
| 05:00.18 | SeveredCross | Then install xfont from there. |
| 05:00.18 | SeveredCross | :) |
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| 05:03.01 | enouf | sometimes people are missing 'xfs', but i don't know ... wonder if there;s an update-alternatives * thingy for it |
| 05:03.13 | enouf | we already did the dpi mantra |
| 05:03.32 | enouf | (in another channel ofcourse) |
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| 05:07.43 | netsrot | Hi, how do I remove packages that have had some files removed manualy? |
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| 05:09.12 | ArtVandalae | hi... can anyone reach http://planet.debian.org ? |
| 05:09.18 | ArtVandalae | It might be my ISP (probably is) |
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| 05:09.49 | netsrot | ArtVandalae: can't reach |
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| 05:10.48 | enouf | reinstall, then --purge remove, or, try confmiss, then remove |
| 05:11.07 | SeveredCross | I think Planet is down and known to be down. |
| 05:11.08 | enouf | or dpkg -P |
| 05:12.38 | buu | So |
| 05:13.27 | buu | A while ago I set up samba, fiddled with it and got it working so I can connect to the machine from a windows box by logging in as a user. Recently I've created a new user but I can't seem to login as that user from the windows box. The same one that a different user/pass works for. Can anyone suggest a place to check? |
| 05:13.47 | netsrot | enouf: thanks |
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| 05:14.59 | enouf | np |
| 05:15.50 | buu | Did that get cut off? |
| 05:16.07 | benjamindees | no |
| 05:17.14 | buu | But nobody cares =[ |
| 05:19.14 | Quintin | So for my article , do I want vertical bar graph or horizontal?? the bar represent time in seconds |
| 05:19.30 | benjamindees | you could check the log, /var/log/sambasomethingoranother |
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| 05:20.47 | netsrot | enouf: I tried to follow http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7498 but I don't seem to have a .postrm file, what do I do? |
| 05:21.54 | enouf | !confmiss |
| 05:21.54 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:22.01 | netsrot | enouf: dpkg -P returns error and I can't reinstall the package. |
| 05:22.19 | wols | netsrot: pastebin the full output |
| 05:22.38 | owen1 | is it easy to switch from etch to leny and sid and visa versa? |
| 05:22.46 | enouf | no |
| 05:22.48 | wols | owen1: no |
| 05:22.56 | enouf | it's a one-way street ;-) |
| 05:23.13 | enouf | until enough time passes that is |
| 05:23.23 | wols | owen1: testing and unstable are always buggy. always |
| 05:23.48 | owen1 | i want to install debian on my desktop. i guess my best option will be etch..? |
| 05:24.00 | wols | owen1: depends on your desktop |
| 05:24.06 | wols | owen1: what mainboard? |
| 05:24.10 | owen1 | wols: p4 |
| 05:24.11 | wols | what videocard? |
| 05:24.14 | enouf | sure - or etchnhalf if newer hardware |
| 05:24.16 | wols | p4 is no mainboard |
| 05:24.16 | owen1 | nvidia |
| 05:24.24 | wols | nvidia isn't a videocard either |
| 05:24.26 | owen1 | x86 |
| 05:24.38 | wols | x86 is no mainboard and no videocard... |
| 05:24.40 | enouf | owen1: motherboard chipset |
| 05:24.47 | netsrot | wols: I have swedish version, can you read that? |
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| 05:24.57 | owen1 | enouf: intel |
| 05:25.04 | wols | netsrot: no. run "export lang=C" |
| 05:25.13 | enouf | netsrot: preface the command with LANG=C |
| 05:25.22 | wols | netsrot: erm, export LANG=C then run the dpkg or apt command |
| 05:25.32 | enouf | or that |
| 05:25.35 | wols | owen1: intel is a CPU and chipset maker. it's no chipset |
| 05:25.48 | enouf | owen1: what OS are you on now? |
| 05:26.09 | owen1 | enouf: ubuntu. going to create new partition for debian. |
| 05:26.19 | wols | owen1: run "lspci" and pastebin the output |
| 05:26.28 | owen1 | wols: ok |
| 05:26.34 | benjamindees | wow, I had 1000:1 odds on windows |
| 05:26.36 | enouf | owen1: your mobo has a NorthBridge and SouthBridge (vasically) |
| 05:26.44 | enouf | s/v/b |
| 05:28.14 | netsrot | wols: http://pastebin.com/dd7ce93f |
| 05:28.49 | owen1 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d7ef52fd5 |
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| 05:29.06 | wols | netsrot: #ubuntu |
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| 05:29.24 | enouf | nice one |
| 05:29.28 | netsrot | =) |
| 05:29.44 | wols | owen1: etch will work |
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| 05:30.09 | owen1 | wols: can u tell me my motherboard? |
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| 05:30.27 | enouf | owen1: nice, i think Etch should do fine |
| 05:30.34 | AlgorithmicContr | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 05:30.39 | AlgorithmicContr | Does that have to do.... oh yeah, it does... |
| 05:30.41 | wols | owen1: now. but now I know your chipset and know etch supports it. "lshw" should tell you your mobo name |
| 05:30.46 | enouf | owen1: we needed the Chipset and versions |
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| 05:31.11 | enouf | owen1: and dmidecode and lshal ... (motherboard info) |
| 05:32.36 | enouf | owen1: you have basically an 865G NB and an 82801 SB |
| 05:33.02 | wols | and a geforce 440mx which are all supported by etch |
| 05:33.17 | enouf | (ICH5 == I/O Controller Hub) |
| 05:33.18 | wols | out of the box. your atheros is supported by debian too but not out of the box |
| 05:33.28 | owen1 | enouf: i am trying to find where it is showing...lshw shows long text.. |
| 05:33.41 | enouf | owen1: yes, | less |
| 05:33.43 | wols | owen1: lshw | less |
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| 05:34.24 | enouf | owen1: or even lshw -html > ~/lshw.html |
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| 05:35.12 | enouf | owen1: "lshw -html > ~/lshw.html" will generate a nice HTML file you can view with a browser in your /home/user/ |
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| 05:35.36 | owen1 | enouf: i know. but under what section is my mobo? |
| 05:35.48 | wols | if it's recognized, pretty much at the top |
| 05:35.59 | enouf | well, dmidecode is what i'd use |
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| 05:36.31 | enouf | but many times, the Info like Manufacturer and Chassis aren't there |
| 05:40.10 | owen1 | enouf: under core i see: description: motherboard. |
| 05:40.30 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.46 | Decepticon | is there a better tool than tar to do backups, i cannot figure out how to exclude dirs with tar |
| 05:41.03 | Quintin | Decepticon: rsync.. |
| 05:41.27 | enouf | owen1: try this, lshal | egrep |
| 05:42.15 | enouf | owen1: try this, lshal | egrep 'smbios.chassis.manufacturer | smbios.system.manufacturer | system.hardware.vendor' |
| 05:43.41 | enouf | heh, part of mine - smbios.bios.vendor = 'Intel Corp.' (string) <-- incorrect, mine's a Pheonix BIOS, :-P |
| 05:44.06 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.22 | enouf | wow, what a Piece of Crap :-P |
| 05:44.45 | enouf | you have no DMI? lmao, not possible |
| 05:45.08 | enouf | (well, i guess it is, but ...) |
| 05:45.13 | owen1 | i can pastebin lshal |
| 05:45.17 | enouf | VMwarez eh? |
| 05:45.42 | enouf | just install etch already |
| 05:45.46 | owen1 | pci.subsys_product = 'P4P800/P5P800 series motherboard' (string) |
| 05:47.13 | enouf | owen1: yeah, straight boards from intel, non-OEM will often not have too much info - OEMs fill that stuff in many times |
| 05:47.44 | enouf | but you should have smbios lines output from lshal |
| 05:48.06 | owen1 | enouf: ok. let me find the video card. |
| 05:48.38 | enouf | er, dmidecode, i told yuo 3 times now |
| 05:49.08 | enouf | find? here it is . 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) 14. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) |
| 05:49.36 | enouf | you;re going into the b0z0 box really soon |
| 05:50.01 | owen1 | enouf: thank. |
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| 05:50.38 | wols | owen1: do you use ethernet or wlan to connect to the internet? |
| 05:50.48 | owen1 | wols: wlan. |
| 05:51.05 | wols | !tell owen1 about madwifi install |
| 05:51.23 | wols | so getting to the internet on dbeian is not so straightforward |
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| 05:52.03 | enouf | couldn't he just use goodbye-windows.com? |
| 05:52.09 | EoN | Anyone here use VHCS on Debian? |
| 05:52.28 | enouf | erm .. debootstrap ,, from within ubuntu? .. nm |
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| 05:52.49 | fale | ktorrent in debian etch has the web interface? |
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| 05:53.07 | Quintin | www.quintinriis.com any thoughts on latest article appreciated |
| 05:53.08 | wols | !anyone use VHCS |
| 05:53.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses VHCS, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:53.18 | wols | Quintin: don't do this please |
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| 05:53.36 | fale | wols: I use it |
| 05:53.47 | EoN | what's the syntax for specifying multiple targets for an email forward account? |
| 05:53.52 | wols | fale: you entirely miss the point |
| 05:53.53 | EoN | is it ; delimited? |
| 05:54.13 | fale | wols: lol |
| 05:54.17 | owen1 | what minimim partition do i need (netinstall.iso, xorg, dwm, firefox, abiword, gnumeric)? |
| 05:55.28 | benjamindees | hmm, 2 gig? |
| 05:55.59 | owen1 | benjamindees: sounds good |
| 05:56.20 | wols | benjamindees: less |
| 05:56.55 | owen1 | i hope to access the other partition by mountig it. |
| 05:57.03 | owen1 | mount |
| 05:57.36 | icenine | do you want to install linux on the other partition or just those programs? |
| 05:57.46 | Quintin | wols: Don't do what? :| |
| 05:58.01 | wols | Quintin: spamming |
| 05:58.07 | wols | Quintin: now go back to #ubuntu |
| 05:58.23 | Quintin | wols: How the fuck am I spamming? |
| 05:58.49 | wols | pasting random urls in a support channel is spamming.especially if it's for anothre distro. now go away spammer |
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| 05:59.15 | hoxu | Quintin, I think promotion of your own website falls under spamming |
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| 05:59.28 | Quintin | wols: It's not random, it's pertaining to the conversation I was having with other people here regarding prelink |
| 05:59.28 | owen1 | icenine: i want to install debian on a new partition. right now i have ubuntu. |
| 05:59.38 | Maruchan | Hiya folk. |
| 06:00.15 | streuner | owen1: why do you want Debian? |
| 06:00.23 | icenine | owen1: i've done it that way before, 2g should be enough but more if possible of course. |
| 06:00.29 | benjamindees | you're going to talk him out of it now? |
| 06:00.35 | Maruchan | ... |
| 06:00.43 | Maruchan | INTERNET RAGE EVERYWHERE. |
| 06:00.50 | wols | benjamindees: he does it purely out of self interest. and I think he's right to do so |
| 06:01.00 | wols | Maruchan: stop it please. do you have a debian related question? |
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| 06:01.53 | Maruchan | ... Sure, uh. Does Debian require configuration for SATA HDs to work upon install? I'll be installing on an IDE drive, however I have media on a 500g HD. |
| 06:01.55 | owen1 | streuner: speed and control over what i install. |
| 06:02.04 | elitemind | hey guys i need to fulfill a dependency problem forgot the command though dpkg -i some.deb; aptitude -somethinghere |
| 06:02.10 | wols | Maruchan: usually not. depends a bit on sata controller |
| 06:02.22 | Quintin | Maruchan: That depends on the disk controller. Most should work out of the box with etc |
| 06:02.28 | Maruchan | Sweet. |
| 06:02.42 | owen1 | Quintin: intersting post. i wonder if it can apply to debian. |
| 06:02.47 | Maruchan | Anyway, I'm off to have fun trying to get my nVidia card to work with Debian. |
| 06:02.55 | streuner | owen1: in which way? |
| 06:02.58 | Maruchan | Adios. |
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| 06:03.03 | Quintin | owen1: it does. same process too. I've used it on many systems, but never taken time to benchmark it |
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| 06:03.43 | owen1 | streuner: i love to have a machine with only stuff i need. no need for DE (gnome/xfce) for example. |
| 06:04.08 | wols | owen1: you can do this with ubuntu too (alternative or server CDs) |
| 06:04.09 | owen1 | streuner: i thing debian + dwm as WM will be great for me. |
| 06:04.15 | buu | So |
| 06:04.23 | elitemind | any ideas? dpkg -i some.deb ; aptitude -something to resolve dependencies |
| 06:04.29 | buu | Oh wait |
| 06:04.33 | buu | Samba has its own conf doesn't it |
| 06:04.39 | wols | !tell elitemind about repeat |
| 06:04.41 | buu | Goddamnit |
| 06:04.42 | streuner | wols: why do you must always be sooo right? :-) |
| 06:04.45 | wols | elitemind: more input = more output |
| 06:04.47 | owen1 | wols: can i also install it with no xfce? |
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| 06:04.59 | hoxu | streuner, wols has *that* day of the week ;) |
| 06:05.02 | wols | owen1: yes. but ask in #ubuntu about it |
| 06:05.03 | hoxu | !sunday |
| 06:05.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:05.09 | streuner | (Besserwisser) |
| 06:05.11 | buu | Don't I need to run some sort of password program to set my samba password? |
| 06:05.12 | elitemind | wols im trying to dpkg -i a debian file but i get dependency problems |
| 06:05.24 | elitemind | so i want to resolve them with aptitude |
| 06:05.25 | valdyn | elitemind: aptitude -f install |
| 06:05.27 | owen1 | wols: so why do people use debian instead of ubuntu. |
| 06:05.31 | wols | streuner: do you honestly want him to use debian with his atheros that he needs to access the internet? honestly? |
| 06:05.31 | elitemind | aww yes thank you |
| 06:05.39 | wols | !tell owen1 about why debian |
| 06:05.45 | streuner | wols: why not? |
| 06:05.51 | wols | have fun then |
| 06:06.11 | wols | advises streuner to read the backlog |
| 06:06.25 | owen1 | wols: thank. going to read it. |
| 06:06.27 | icenine | what's the bot's nick? |
| 06:06.33 | Quintin | !bot |
| 06:06.34 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 06:06.40 | icenine | ah |
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| 06:06.44 | icenine | who's debhelper then? |
| 06:06.44 | wols | icenine: which one. there are several |
| 06:06.46 | Quintin | dpkg: stupid bot! |
| 06:06.46 | dpkg | no, stupid quintin |
| 06:06.50 | streuner | no worries, as long somebody could read, its no problem to use Debian then ;-) |
| 06:07.00 | Quintin | I forget how to make it do all the funny stuff |
| 06:07.06 | enouf | awe crap, i step out one minute and all hell breaks loose, wtf? |
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| 06:07.35 | hoxu | icenine, most of the people you see speaking here are actually bots employing heuristical algorithms to map questions to factoids. But it's a secret. |
| 06:07.56 | wols | hoxu: I prefer to be called "AI". not "bot" |
| 06:08.08 | enouf | i am not a number! |
| 06:08.13 | hoxu | !enouf |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 06:08.20 | wols | stamps, files and debriefs enouf |
| 06:08.24 | \amethyst | wols: Some of us object to the "artificial"/"natural" dicotomy |
| 06:08.34 | \amethyst | s/cot/chot/ |
| 06:08.53 | wols | dunno about you but I'm certainly not natural |
| 06:09.19 | enouf | my flatulance would let you think otherwise :-p |
| 06:09.56 | icenine | hoxu: do you usually speak to them about their heuristical algorithms? |
| 06:10.54 | hoxu | next question? |
| 06:11.39 | icenine | hoxu: Tell me more about next question |
| 06:11.58 | streuner | wols: thank you for the warning, sorry. |
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| 06:12.29 | owen1 | wols: why is the main reason u chose debian? |
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| 06:13.30 | streuner | !why debian |
| 06:13.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 06:15.06 | streuner | owen: start to read what wols told you (factoids) now |
| 06:15.09 | Guerin_ | the natural/artificial thing is just propaganda bollocks |
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| 06:18.02 | roe_ | I am building an access point, and I need to bridge the AP with eth0, but the AP network interface is not defined in /etc/network/interfaces, so I don't know how to bridge them |
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| 06:19.13 | Guerin_ | define it there |
| 06:19.24 | hoxu | roe_, also see man 5 bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 06:19.31 | benjamindees | roe_, the driver should tell you the interface name when it's inserted; look in dmesg. |
| 06:20.44 | roe_ | I have the interface name, |
| 06:21.23 | wols | then use it to make the bridge |
| 06:22.55 | benjamindees | the interface has to be up first. interfaces won't bring it up without an ip address or dhcp. |
| 06:23.05 | enouf | wols: not to beat a dead horse, but Quintin was here asking about prelink info and some help in general, so he was merely posting a recent round of some test results to a few of us, some are gone i guess |
| 06:23.55 | roe_ | well, that is the problem my ap interface is up and I can see the essid, but it doesn't have an ip address or an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:23.56 | enouf | man brctl? |
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| 06:24.33 | hoxu | Quintin, well, apologies in that case |
| 06:24.40 | icenine | Is there any free language learning software for linux? comparable to rosetta stone? |
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| 06:25.46 | wols | roe_: have you tried to make the bridge? |
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| 06:26.12 | icenine | I've already found rose soup and I'm trying to wine rosetta stone.. My question is more of an open inquiry as to whether you guys think such a project would be successful |
| 06:26.55 | Quintin | hoxu: hm? |
| 06:28.43 | hoxu | Quintin, in reply to what enouf said above |
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| 06:30.11 | roe_ | Don't seem to be have all the variables for br0/inet. |
| 06:30.11 | roe_ | Failed to bring up br0. |
| 06:30.29 | slxix | the nickname namespace will run out by 2012. |
| 06:30.48 | benjamindees | john titor was right... |
| 06:30.54 | roe_ | wols, eys |
| 06:31.02 | Quintin | hoxu: ah. :) |
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| 06:31.44 | Quintin | enouf: hoxu Tomorrow I'll see if preload has any noticeable impact. |
| 06:31.47 | slxix | who's john titor? |
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| 06:32.22 | enouf | Quintin: well from those results, i say 'meh' to prelink |
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| 06:32.52 | factor | when I try to play DVDs kaffine says it can not find MRL something ://dvd |
| 06:32.53 | enouf | Quintin: if it was say a 50% cut, well then .... |
| 06:33.06 | roe_ | here is my interface file |
| 06:33.06 | factor | I cant seem to find it via apt repos |
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| 06:33.07 | roe_ | http://pastebin.com/m4b7b3916 |
| 06:33.25 | streuner | factor: show us the whole error in paste.debiain.net please |
| 06:33.26 | Quintin | enouf: I should test it on other hardware.. it might be smaller since I'm using RAID 0. The time does add up though, and it takes about two minutes to set up prelink |
| 06:33.27 | benjamindees | has been transported to a humorless interweb where people in #debian try to talk you out of using it. |
| 06:33.35 | factor | ok hold on |
| 06:34.39 | slxix | benjamindees: perhaps you should start #debianmongers :) |
| 06:35.02 | SeveredCross | Fishmongers? |
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| 06:37.27 | factor | http://pastebin.com/m71b4b140 |
| 06:37.39 | factor | that is my error for my dvd not being played by kaffine |
| 06:38.28 | streuner | factor: that's a orginal DVD? |
| 06:38.39 | factor | ghost in the shell yes |
| 06:38.54 | streuner | factor: what happens if you using xine? |
| 06:39.35 | streuner | kaffeine using xine engine |
| 06:40.10 | factor | no plugin for MRL |
| 06:40.12 | factor | same error |
| 06:40.29 | streuner | hm, check out xine FAQ then |
| 06:40.33 | factor | inpu plugin failed to open mrl ' /dev/hda' |
| 06:41.09 | streuner | factor: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
| 06:41.31 | icenine | are you sure that hda is your dvd? |
| 06:41.42 | factor | yes |
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| 06:42.13 | factor | hda: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 06:42.18 | factor | under dmesg |
| 06:42.27 | streuner | factor: do you use udev? |
| 06:42.36 | factor | 2.6.24 kern |
| 06:42.50 | streuner | factor: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 06:43.10 | factor | udev is installed |
| 06:43.25 | factor | ii udev 0.114-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 06:43.26 | streuner | ok, just make an entry for DVD then too |
| 06:43.35 | factor | how do I do that |
| 06:43.43 | factor | I already have an /dev/dvd too |
| 06:44.05 | wols | factor: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 06:44.25 | factor | looks like they point to hda and not /dev/hda though |
| 06:46.03 | streuner | in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistend-cd.rules, add a line like KERNEL=="hda", SYMLINK+="dvd" |
| 06:46.42 | factor | cool its working |
| 06:46.46 | streuner | z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 06:46.47 | factor | thanks |
| 06:46.50 | streuner | np |
| 06:47.05 | factor | now I can watch ghost in the shell |
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| 07:17.59 | facedown | How can i transfer music to my iPod nano? Dragging to ipod doesnt work in Rhythmbox .96 and Banshee can't detect it.. |
| 07:18.03 | facedown | I'm on etch |
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| 07:48.42 | aleix | hi... does anyone knows what the xxx.d directories mean, in general? (ex. cron.d, rc.d, logrotate.d...) |
| 07:49.18 | Eulex | directory of config files |
| 07:50.19 | aleix | mmm but this is not followed always... i mean, you can find directories with config files that don't have the .d, isn't it? |
| 07:51.00 | Eulex | you can |
| 07:51.16 | aleix | so... anything rather especial about those? |
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| 07:51.50 | Eulex | I believe the common situation is that the program once just had a single config file |
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| 07:53.22 | Eulex | and they added the ability to split the config up in several parts |
| 07:53.27 | owen1 | i want X. do i need to get xserver-xorg-core in addition to xorg? |
| 07:53.28 | aleix | and now have more than one? |
| 07:53.40 | aleix | oh, ok... sorry to repeat, thanks |
| 07:53.54 | Supaplex | !setup x |
| 07:53.54 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 07:54.23 | Eulex | aleix, yes, and that the 'parts' are treated the 'same way', so file names inside the directory doesn't make much difference, all the files in there are read anyway |
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| 07:54.55 | aleix | cool. Thanks for clearing that out! |
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| 07:55.41 | Eulex | well, sometimes the filename makes a difference. like in the case of rcX.d. but all files in there are still 'read'. |
| 07:56.18 | aleix | yes, i've seen that about rcX.d. Thanks again. |
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| 08:05.54 | owen1 | i am in the middle of installing debian on a partition. what should i choose in the setting of this partition: mount point? bootable flag? |
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| 08:06.23 | owen1 | (i have ubuntu in the other partition, i want dual boot) |
| 08:06.26 | Lukemob | whatever you want the partition to be |
| 08:07.06 | owen1 | Lukemob: i don't know the meaning of mount point? do i need mount point? |
| 08:07.07 | Bomfunk | second one to use grub/lilo from this partition |
| 08:07.15 | Eulex | bootable flag has no effect on non-windows operating systems |
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| 08:07.23 | owen1 | Eulex: ok |
| 08:07.24 | Lukemob | mount point e.g. /home |
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| 08:07.31 | Eulex | you do need to set a mount point |
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| 08:07.48 | Eulex | and that is irrelevant to your dualboot problem |
| 08:08.03 | owen1 | Eulex: so i need mount point on the new partition...ok. |
| 08:08.14 | Eulex | if it's not a swap partition, you do. |
| 08:08.14 | Lukemob | sure |
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| 08:08.29 | owen1 | Eulex: ok, what should it be? / |
| 08:08.37 | Eulex | uh, what are you going to use it for? |
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| 08:08.55 | owen1 | Eulex: development/internet.etc |
| 08:09.07 | Eulex | not like that |
| 08:09.16 | owen1 | Eulex: i want to slowly replace my ubunut |
| 08:09.26 | Eulex | what are you going to put on the _partition_? |
| 08:09.33 | owen1 | Eulex: debian |
| 08:09.36 | owen1 | Eulex: etch |
| 08:09.43 | Lukemob | owen1, like /home /etc /var and so... |
| 08:09.52 | Eulex | if you want to install debian onto a single partition, it needs to be / |
| 08:10.08 | owen1 | Eulex: Lukemob got it. |
| 08:10.20 | Lukemob | but dont recommend that ;) |
| 08:10.29 | Eulex | owen1, does your ubuntu have a home directory on a separate partition? |
| 08:10.48 | Eulex | you still need a / partition though, even if you split stuff up onto several partitions. |
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| 08:11.32 | owen1 | Eulex: no. my home is not seperated. |
| 08:12.11 | owen1 | Eulex: that's why it's better to seperate the home? so u can use it even if u replace your OS? |
| 08:12.18 | Eulex | owen1, yes. |
| 08:12.31 | Eulex | you could have used the same home partition in both debian and ubuntu |
| 08:12.40 | Eulex | also, it's safer |
| 08:12.56 | Eulex | if your / partition is screwed up, you will still have your data left. |
| 08:13.13 | Eulex | on your home partition, that is |
| 08:13.14 | owen1 | Eulex: sound great. linux distros should do it as default. |
| 08:14.03 | Eulex | I believe debian will do that if you let it decide on partitioning scheme |
| 08:14.11 | valdyn | using the same /home for 2 distros isnt exactly safe.. |
| 08:14.53 | Eulex | you're referring to config files? |
| 08:15.02 | valdyn | Eulex: and uids, yes |
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| 08:15.18 | Eulex | oh, true, you'd have to sync uids |
| 08:15.21 | valdyn | though uids can be managed, config files not really |
| 08:15.51 | Eulex | valdyn, well, if everybody followed the freedesktop spec and put their config files in .config, you could have a small config partition for every distro :) |
| 08:16.08 | valdyn | Eulex: yea |
| 08:16.35 | Eulex | that said, I've been running ubuntu and debian with the same home partition, and it worked kinda well, but ymmv |
| 08:16.47 | valdyn | Eulex: it normally works fine |
| 08:16.53 | valdyn | Eulex: its just not safe |
| 08:17.09 | Eulex | ok |
| 08:17.33 | valdyn | thinks to upstream developers not constantly breaking config file compatibility |
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| 08:17.41 | owen1 | i am in the middle of the installation. i can choose to install 'standard system'. anyone knows what will i install by choosing it? |
| 08:17.47 | valdyn | s/thinks/thanks/ |
| 08:17.57 | valdyn | owen1: in debian? |
| 08:18.10 | owen1 | i want very lean system and try to avoid unnecessary stuff. |
| 08:18.13 | owen1 | valdyn: yes |
| 08:18.16 | valdyn | owen1: or why dont you read the install guide? |
| 08:18.41 | owen1 | valdyn: good idea..let me google for it. |
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| 08:18.55 | valdyn | !ig |
| 08:18.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 08:19.03 | Eulex | it's on the front page of debian.org too |
| 08:19.31 | owen1 | Eulex: ok. diving into it..thanks |
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| 08:21.52 | Jess_ | i download debian lenny and i burned to cd and i booted to cd now im at a command prompt i thought the command was install gui to setup everything what do i type besides that |
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| 08:22.08 | valdyn | Jess_: you use the etch installer and come back |
| 08:22.15 | jahshua | Jess_: start over. |
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| 08:22.45 | Jess_ | ok thanks |
| 08:22.58 | jahshua | np :) |
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| 08:24.38 | owen1 | valdyn: the install guide recommend to include the standard disk. i can't find a detailed list of what am i installing and what happend if i don't. |
| 08:25.00 | Jemt | Greetz. Is the 'nv' and 'ati' driver for Xorg capable of running Compiz ? (I don't have a computer available with ATI or nVidia gfx cards so I can't do any testing right now) |
| 08:25.13 | Alfarin | stupid question: is it normal for df and phpsysinfo etc. to report sums that doesn't add up? instinct tells me no, but if there's a known issue that could cause it, I'm not aware of it, so please enlighten me... |
| 08:25.21 | Guerin_ | Jemt: ati/radeon is with some cards |
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| 08:25.28 | valdyn | owen1: you dont need to install that stuff |
| 08:25.37 | Jess_ | got another question do i want the standard iso or what |
| 08:25.45 | Jemt | Guerin_: Okay. How do I find out what cards? |
| 08:25.55 | jahshua | Jess_: what architecture are you working with? |
| 08:25.58 | valdyn | Jess_: the nv driver is not, the ati driver is, for older radeon chips |
| 08:26.02 | Guerin_ | Jemt: radeon 9250 and earlier |
| 08:26.11 | Jess_ | i386 |
| 08:26.12 | jahshua | its very easy to understand. |
| 08:26.15 | Jess_ | 32 bit |
| 08:26.15 | Jemt | valdyn: Was that for me ? |
| 08:26.24 | valdyn | Jemt: yes |
| 08:26.28 | jahshua | then downmload the iso for that arch. |
| 08:26.31 | Jemt | valdyn: Thanks :) |
| 08:27.04 | Jemt | Well, seems that I have to install both the vendors own drivers (ATI & nVidia). |
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| 08:27.20 | valdyn | Jemt: yes |
| 08:27.32 | owen1 | valdyn: great, i think it's python/perl and all kind of network tools (it was mentioned somewhere else) |
| 08:27.45 | force | anyone know of an iso, i can download & burn and stick in a headless machine and it automatically installs with absolutely no effort on my part |
| 08:27.58 | force | like the base system and listens for sshd on some ip |
| 08:28.00 | Eulex | Jemt, a very recent 'radeon' or 'radeonhd' driver will do it for newer radeon cards too |
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| 08:28.10 | Jemt | Do any of you know whether it is leagal to include ATI/nVidia drivers in a commercial product? Ie computers pre installed with Debian. |
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| 08:28.25 | Jemt | Eulex: Oh, okay. Thanks :) |
| 08:28.35 | Guerin_ | Jemt: this is a question to ask nvidia and ati, not us. |
| 08:28.46 | force | Jemt: probably would be if you supplied a copy of the agreement for the user to agree to before using |
| 08:28.56 | Jemt | True, I would do that regardless. Could be that one of you knew just a bit about it |
| 08:29.21 | Jemt | force: Yes, that could be :) |
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| 08:33.54 | owen1 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 08:34.08 | owen1 | is it enough to add this line to the sources? |
| 08:34.26 | Jemt | Hm, I wonder whether the nVidia "GeForce" driver will work with all nVidia cards.. |
| 08:34.38 | Jemt | Gah, I have to select a Series too |
| 08:35.01 | Jemt | I just want _one_ driver :-/ |
| 08:35.12 | Jemt | One driver to be able to run on all nVidia grafic cards |
| 08:35.24 | azeem | owen1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:35.31 | owen1 | my sources file has 2 lines (for security stuff) and i want more repositories. |
| 08:35.41 | owen1 | azeem: it's new install. |
| 08:35.41 | azeem | !sources |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:36.40 | Jemt | Does anyone know whether the latest nVidia driver is backward compatible ? |
| 08:36.56 | azeem | Jemt: ask nvidia, please |
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| 08:39.22 | owen1 | azeem: so i guess i need http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main. |
| 08:39.33 | azeem | sounds alright |
| 08:39.46 | owen1 | azeem: do i also need the deb-src ? |
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| 08:41.03 | fat-lobyte | Hi! I am cleaning up my system right now, and I wondered if there is a possibility to find all packages starting with "lib" that are not dependencies of any other package |
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| 08:41.47 | azeem | fat-lobyte: deborphan |
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| 08:42.02 | azeem | owen1: if you want to download source packages, yes |
| 08:42.13 | seon | can i create a virtual directory link? |
| 08:42.30 | azeem | seon: for what purpose? |
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| 08:44.04 | fat-lobyte | azeem, thx that's exactly what i was looking for |
| 08:44.07 | seon | azeem> is it possible? |
| 08:44.15 | azeem | seon: 10:38 < azeem> seon: for what purpose? |
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| 08:45.07 | seon | azeem> i want to see the file inside mydirectory/test when i go to myvirtualdirectory/test |
| 08:45.28 | azeem | seon: man ln |
| 08:45.40 | Superbartt | or aliasses in your apache config |
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| 08:46.22 | Superbartt | The Alias directive allows documents to be stored in the local filesystem other than under the DocumentRoot. URLs with a (%-decoded) path beginning with url-path will be mapped to local files beginning with directory-filename. |
| 08:46.23 | Superbartt | Example: |
| 08:46.23 | Superbartt | Alias /image /ftp/pub/image |
| 08:46.45 | azeem | Superbartt: are you sure seon needs this for httpd? |
| 08:47.13 | Superbartt | azeem i don't know what he really want's to achieve :) I'm just giving him another option for it :p |
| 08:47.34 | azeem | well, if "it" is not configuring his web browser, it's not another option |
| 08:47.44 | azeem | eh, server* |
| 08:47.57 | Dewi | azeem: hard linking is an unusual choice there |
| 08:48.06 | Dewi | azeem: I'd stress the -s part of using ln |
| 08:48.09 | aphexer | anyone knows why packages.debian.org is so often down or very slow? Is there an alternative somewhere? |
| 08:48.40 | owen1 | 416MB is used before installing xorg.. |
| 08:48.44 | Dewi | overall, symlinks and Alias have similar effects in apache. I'm not sure which one I'd say was closer to an IIS virtual dir |
| 08:48.47 | Dewi | Probably Alias |
| 08:49.22 | azeem | ok, where did seon say anything about web servers? |
| 08:49.27 | azeem | I must have missed it |
| 08:49.42 | Dewi | azeem: "virtual directory" |
| 08:49.49 | azeem | I see |
| 08:49.49 | Dewi | azeem: is IIS terminology |
| 08:49.49 | owen1 | i just wonder - is there anything like X but lighter/faster? |
| 08:50.01 | Dewi | azeem: but it could be coincidence :) |
| 08:50.01 | azeem | owen1: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 08:50.16 | seon | thanks all |
| 08:50.32 | Dewi | seon: yeah, obviously Alias is only applicable if you really were talking about web servers |
| 08:50.40 | Dewi | seon: otherwise, ln -s |
| 08:50.45 | owen1 | azeem: enough, i am just curious, moment before unleashing the beast. |
| 08:51.00 | seon | i need to do a hard link directory |
| 08:51.16 | Dewi | seon: you can't hard link directories, only files |
| 08:51.22 | seon | ok |
| 08:51.31 | seon | ln is not my friend |
| 08:51.34 | azeem | owen1: nothing which doesn't involve pain or writing apps yourself, AFAIK |
| 08:51.35 | Dewi | seon: ln -s |
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| 08:51.39 | Dewi | seon: soft link |
| 08:51.52 | seon | Dewi> ok |
| 08:51.53 | afallenhope | how do you uninstall stuff you';ve installed with dpkg? |
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| 08:52.02 | azeem | afallenhope: with dpkg |
| 08:52.05 | azeem | man dpkg |
| 08:52.14 | owen1 | azeem: too bad. we should start a project to replace X with something smaller. |
| 08:52.24 | cahoot | screen? |
| 08:52.27 | azeem | owen1: feel free, but that is off-topic here |
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| 08:52.39 | Dewi | seon: if you like playing with hard links, you can use 'cp -al' to duplicate all directories as copies, while hard-linking the files |
| 08:52.53 | afallenhope | ty azeem |
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| 08:52.57 | afallenhope | dick |
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| 08:53.20 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 08:53.26 | Dewi | azeem: nice one |
| 08:53.58 | Dewi | loves when they get offended |
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| 08:54.39 | valdyn | owen1: X is pretty small and modular |
| 08:54.53 | valdyn | owen1: no one forces you to use the popular extensions |
| 08:55.22 | Dewi | owen1: X should be replaced, but probably with something a lot thicker, not thinner |
| 08:55.31 | Dewi | owen1: all X does is push lines and pixels around, it's tiny |
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| 08:56.11 | Dewi | owen1: the X server I use is a 2mb download |
| 08:56.15 | Dewi | (in windows) |
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| 08:56.28 | Zharf | 2 millibits? that's quite small |
| 08:56.31 | Dewi | okay, 2mb plus the 32mb of fonts you are meant to install for it |
| 08:56.41 | Dewi | Zharf: nobody uses real units |
| 08:56.43 | Andreas_A | 2MiB |
| 08:56.48 | Dewi | Andreas_A: thanks |
| 08:56.54 | Andreas_A | :O |
| 08:57.08 | Dewi | Andreas_A: but you spoiled my fun, I was going to ask Zharf to correct me and then jump on him when he most likely forgot the 'i' |
| 08:57.11 | Dewi | grins. |
| 08:57.16 | Andreas_A | :( |
| 08:57.18 | Andreas_A | Sorry |
| 08:57.25 | Zharf | Dewi, I wouldn't have! |
| 08:57.36 | Dewi | Zharf: good :) |
| 08:57.52 | Zharf | Dewi, a troll needs to know his stuff :) |
| 08:57.56 | simonrvn | wonders when the sticks come out |
| 08:58.12 | Andreas_A | When I say Mebibyte to my friends they look at me strangely. :( |
| 08:58.20 | Zharf | :) |
| 08:58.43 | simonrvn | get new friends |
| 08:58.45 | Dewi | hmm |
| 08:58.50 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 08:59.15 | Dewi | it just occurred to me that 'gibi' might technically be a soft G sound like 'giga' |
| 08:59.49 | Dewi | it sounds even stupider than ever, and is an instance of pedantry WITHIN pedantry |
| 08:59.49 | Andreas_A | :D |
| 08:59.53 | Dewi | resolves to use jeebeebytes from now on |
| 09:00.09 | simonrvn | jellybeanbytes |
| 09:01.11 | simonrvn | so, a pedantry is where you put pedants? |
| 09:01.23 | Andreas_A | M == 1 000 000, K = 1000 right? |
| 09:01.41 | azeem | -> #debian-offtpoic |
| 09:01.44 | azeem | topic* |
| 09:01.47 | Andreas_A | :O |
| 09:02.32 | Dewi | Andreas_A: k is not normally capitalized |
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| 09:02.50 | Andreas_A | Ok |
| 09:03.23 | Andreas_A | azeem: I just thought it was an appropriate question as we where talking about prefixes. |
| 09:03.33 | Dewi | azeem: if pedantry was offtopic this would be one hell of a quiet channel |
| 09:03.42 | Dewi | azeem: but I'll shut up now :) |
| 09:03.44 | simonrvn | Dewi++ |
| 09:03.51 | owen1 | Dewi: your X is only 2MB? mine is 140, i think! what do u use? |
| 09:03.52 | azeem | argueing about off-topicness is off-topic as well, btw |
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| 09:03.57 | azeem | as is lecturing about it : |
| 09:03.58 | azeem | P |
| 09:04.10 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:04.31 | Dewi | owen1: in windows, XMing. That's just the server of course... I think most of the bloat is on the client end, all the millions of different libraries people use to make X more featureful than just pixels and lines |
| 09:05.06 | Dewi | azeem: okay, next time you want me to stay on topic, ask me in #debian-offtopic (although I am not there) |
| 09:05.09 | Dewi | grins. |
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| 09:05.53 | elitemind | whats the command to see how fast the cpu is running? |
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| 09:06.26 | Andreas_A | elitemind: How much is utilized? |
| 09:06.29 | owen1 | Dewi: but what about linux? Xming is only for windows? i am confused.. |
| 09:06.47 | azeem | elitemind: "grep cpu.MHz /proc/cpuinfo" e..g |
| 09:06.51 | elitemind | andreas_a i overclocked and need to see if its working? |
| 09:06.55 | Dewi | owen1: ironically, I think the main reason X seems so bloated is that X itself is too simple and unbloated. People invented a whole series of increasingly complicated and incompatible ways to add featureful windows, window management, desktops, audio, and you basically end up installing dozens of them by the time you get a few X clients installed |
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| 09:07.07 | Andreas_A | elitemind: Do cat /proc/cpuinfo or something then. |
| 09:07.13 | elitemind | aww thank you |
| 09:07.44 | netsrot | connecting to xorg server remote, does both server and client need a gfx card? |
| 09:07.56 | azeem | neither need one |
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| 09:08.12 | netsrot | oh |
| 09:08.12 | soulchild | Hi all,... |
| 09:08.15 | azeem | eh, what is a gfx card? |
| 09:08.16 | Dewi | owen1: Xming is just the server side, it just draws stuff and accepts input. I still run the clients in linux, and most of the bloat is still there... |
| 09:08.16 | soulchild | I am fascinated,... |
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| 09:08.37 | soulchild | My Debian Lenny system boots in 15 seconds (bootchart)... that f.... great |
| 09:08.58 | netsrot | azeem: it's a graphics card =) |
| 09:09.20 | Dewi | owen1: if you wanted unbloated X, you might do okay if you stick to the tiniest of window managers and use only Motif apps with no audio or other extras |
| 09:09.21 | azeem | netsrot: the server obviously needs a graphics card if you want to actually display something |
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| 09:09.34 | azeem | the machine the X clients run on doesn't necessarily need one |
| 09:09.42 | owen1 | Dewi: installing dwm! |
| 09:09.44 | soulchild | is it worth installing readahead ? |
| 09:09.53 | azeem | Dewi: wtf, motif? |
| 09:10.09 | azeem | Dewi: please be at least marginally reasonable with your advice |
| 09:10.23 | Dewi | azeem: what would you suggest? |
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| 09:10.31 | netsrot | azeem: ok, thanks. |
| 09:10.49 | azeem | Dewi: owen1 said he had "enough" RAM, he should just install whatever and be done |
| 09:11.09 | Dewi | azeem: is there anything else providing a middle ground between the unmitigated bloatedness of KDE/gnome, and the useless raw X api? |
| 09:11.30 | owen1 | azeem: Dewi: Dewi, i want your advice about small apps. thanks. |
| 09:11.42 | azeem | owen1, Dewi: please discuss that in private then |
| 09:11.52 | kundera | türk debianci ? |
| 09:11.58 | azeem | !tr |
| 09:11.58 | dpkg | tr is probably türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 09:11.59 | owen1 | azeem: why? |
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| 09:12.06 | azeem | owen1: because it's off topic |
| 09:12.21 | soulchild | !ku |
| 09:12.36 | soulchild | !kurdish |
| 09:12.38 | kundera | türk debianci ? |
| 09:12.42 | owen1 | azeem: dwm is a lightwight WM. it's part of my debian... |
| 09:12.51 | Dewi | owen1: I actually don't know much about "slimming" down debian, other than by mostly living without X of any kind. I'm just giving you a basic overview of where the "bloat" comes from |
| 09:12.59 | azeem | owen1: so if you have specific questions about it, ask them |
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| 09:13.08 | azeem | calling X or GTK or whatever "bloated" is just trolling |
| 09:13.33 | owen1 | azeem: it's his opinion, i guess. |
| 09:13.53 | Dewi | (and I don't really recommend trying to stick to pure Motif, it would be difficult and frustrating, just buy more RAM) |
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| 09:14.05 | Dewi | my opinion? It's not my opinion at all. |
| 09:14.13 | Bushmills | it seems that firefox3 has fixed the mem leaks(s) v2 was suffering from .. it keeps its memory use nicely low |
| 09:14.17 | azeem | owen1: ok, how much RAM do you have? |
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| 09:14.31 | owen1 | azeem: 2GB (- |
| 09:14.36 | azeem | so, wtf |
| 09:14.36 | owen1 | 1.5 |
| 09:15.12 | Jess_ | ok i got debian etch downloaded and installed is there a way to update to lenny from there |
| 09:15.14 | kundera | türk debianci ? |
| 09:15.17 | azeem | owen1: do you want to actually use your computer? |
| 09:15.18 | azeem | !tr |
| 09:15.18 | dpkg | hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 09:15.19 | owen1 | azeem: i like to use small apps. i enjoy dwm prefer it than xfce/gnome/iceWM |
| 09:15.25 | azeem | kundera: -> #debian.tr |
| 09:15.31 | azeem | owen1: so use it |
| 09:15.58 | owen1 | azeem: 1 sec. i think i need to edit xinitrc.. |
| 09:16.08 | azeem | Jess_: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:16.20 | Bushmills | owen1: get rid of unneeded locales |
| 09:16.45 | owen1 | Bushmills: what do u mean - locales? |
| 09:16.46 | azeem | he probably has 100+ GB of diskspace |
| 09:16.58 | Jess_ | i just type dpkg etch->lenny in a terminal |
| 09:17.05 | azeem | Jess_: no |
| 09:17.08 | miksuh | owen1: if you have 1.5GB ram and your computer can't run eg. gnome well then tghere is something badly wrong in your computer |
| 09:17.15 | miksuh | even 512MB is enough |
| 09:17.17 | Bushmills | owen1: translations of program texts |
| 09:17.25 | azeem | Jess_: you type "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" in your irc client |
| 09:18.09 | owen1 | Bushmills: so some apps have translations and there is a way to get rid of it? |
| 09:18.17 | Dewi | Jess_: dpkg is a robot in the channel, you can query its knowledgebase by sending it private messages like that |
| 09:18.19 | Bushmills | owen1: yes |
| 09:18.27 | Jess_ | ty azeem |
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| 09:21.56 | wols | owen1: have you looked at the steps and software needed to install madwifi drivers for your atheros card yet? |
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| 09:26.07 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# echo "disk" > /sys/power/state |
| 09:26.09 | ma3x | bash: echo: write error: No such device |
| 09:26.11 | ma3x | why can't i suspend to disk? |
| 09:26.15 | owen1 | wols: no..i am using direct connection, but it's not a bad idea. it's my wirless card, right? |
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| 09:27.41 | soulchild | What is a good Image Viewer for X ? |
| 09:27.58 | soulchild | (with svn support) |
| 09:28.21 | Bushmills | soulchild: define "good" |
| 09:28.27 | Dewi | soulchild: svn support? |
| 09:28.31 | soulchild | svg |
| 09:28.32 | Dewi | soulchild: do you mean an image diff tool? |
| 09:28.33 | soulchild | sorry |
| 09:28.36 | Dewi | oh :P |
| 09:28.46 | soulchild | Dewi: sorry i meant an svg |
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| 09:29.56 | Bushmills | not too many there are. eog does support svg |
| 09:30.00 | soulchild | Bushmills:good=sdupport for many formats, fast, much functions |
| 09:30.41 | soulchild | Damn my english is horrorble |
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| 09:30.53 | Bert_2 | Hi, when I call "bzip2 -z9kv test.iso" it first asks "test.iso: " and I have to press enter before it starts, what does it want me to type there ? |
| 09:31.16 | Bushmills | gpicview can do .svg too |
| 09:31.49 | soulchild | Bushmills: perfect,.. thank you |
| 09:31.50 | Bushmills | and gwenview |
| 09:32.31 | Bushmills | but you migth want to go with imagemagick. the display program of it is quit ok |
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| 09:32.39 | Bushmills | quite |
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| 09:34.13 | simonrvn | feh |
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| 09:34.23 | simonrvn | dunno about svg support |
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| 09:36.19 | soulchild | Bushmills: gpicview somehow can't read svgz files |
| 09:36.52 | Bushmills | well, it can read and display .svg |
| 09:36.59 | Bushmills | that's what you asked for |
| 09:37.13 | soulchild | hmm are you sure,.. is there a differnece between svg and svgz ? |
| 09:37.35 | Bushmills | presumably svgz is gzipped svg |
| 09:37.37 | simonrvn | svgz is just a gzipped svg |
| 09:37.56 | cahoot | does IM idebian handle svg's? |
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| 09:38.11 | cahoot | s/idebian/in debian/ |
| 09:38.52 | soulchild | what was that tar option to extract gzip ? |
| 09:39.06 | Dewi | soulchild: it won't be tarred |
| 09:39.09 | Dewi | soulchild: just gzipped |
| 09:39.13 | simonrvn | i can't rememeber now... IIRC i had to do something odd to get im to read svg |
| 09:39.25 | simonrvn | remember* |
| 09:39.35 | soulchild | Dewi so how do i unzip ? |
| 09:39.55 | simonrvn | man gzip |
| 09:39.55 | Dewi | soulchild: gunzip will inflate, but beware it replaces the original file unless you direct the results elsewhere |
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| 09:40.26 | simonrvn | or give it the option to preserve the gzipped copy |
| 09:40.45 | soulchild | Dewi: unknown suffix: ignored ??? |
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| 09:41.05 | Dewi | soulchild: I didn't think gunzip cared about suffixes |
| 09:41.16 | simonrvn | try gzip -d |
| 09:41.30 | soulchild | simonrvn: sam error |
| 09:41.34 | soulchild | sme * |
| 09:41.36 | soulchild | same * |
| 09:41.44 | Bushmills | display (from imagemagick) displays svgz directly |
| 09:42.17 | simonrvn | cool |
| 09:42.21 | Dewi | soulchild: oh |
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| 09:42.34 | Bushmills | so does eog |
| 09:42.34 | soulchild | imagemagick takes about 70 MB that's is to much for me,for only viewign svgz |
| 09:42.40 | Dewi | soulchild: well it can't rename the file to the uncompressed name if you're not using the standard form |
| 09:42.52 | soulchild | Bushmills: i don't want to use gnome, and eog installs to many dependencies |
| 09:42.53 | Dewi | soulchild: so you need to supply an output destination |
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| 09:43.32 | Bushmills | soulchild: use a web browser |
| 09:44.09 | owen1 | i want to load window manager when X is started (startx). i created ~/.xinitrc and added 'exec dwm' but when typing startx nothing happen (black screen). i also tried adding this line to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc but the same result.. |
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| 09:44.26 | Bushmills | uh sorry. no internal svgz |
| 09:44.29 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 09:44.30 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 09:44.37 | soulchild | Bushmills: That's it,... I use firefoc |
| 09:44.38 | simonrvn | owen1: ^^^ |
| 09:44.50 | simonrvn | firefuc |
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| 09:45.10 | kamaze | I hope i get more answers here, i currently re-setup my webserver. In before i used reiserfs as FS, but it had problems with the immutable bit, now i plan to use EXT3. |
| 09:45.28 | kamaze | Which ext3 setup should i use? I mean, which journaling mode / inode size |
| 09:45.43 | Bushmills | kamaze: maybe, one problem at a time |
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| 09:46.15 | owen1 | simonrvn: i'll read the link i got there, but it weird since i do have ~/.xinitrc. |
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| 09:46.48 | simonrvn | read that carefully ^^^ |
| 09:46.55 | Bushmills | kamaze: inode size would depend on whether you have many small files (smaller inodes) or fewer large files (bigger inodes) |
| 09:47.18 | kamaze | Well, it is a webserver (LAMP stack) |
| 09:48.01 | Dewi | kamaze: what's wrong with the defaults? |
| 09:48.09 | kamaze | Performance |
| 09:48.17 | Bushmills | if undecided, stay with the defaults |
| 09:48.19 | kamaze | ReiserFS seems much faster than ext3 |
| 09:48.37 | simonrvn | ...at the expense of stability and reliability |
| 09:48.49 | Dewi | kamaze: shrug. it depends on the usage pattern. "Web server" doesn't tell us that much |
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| 09:49.27 | Bushmills | kamaze: xfs would be relatively fast. but have enough memory, and an UPS on the server for xfs |
| 09:49.30 | kamaze | Dewi, commonly some websoftware, forums, wiki... also some self written php/python scripts |
| 09:49.37 | Eulex | in fact, it really only tells us that it runs a server software that listens to a port :) |
| 09:49.42 | kamaze | and a few services/servers |
| 09:49.51 | Eulex | and I believe ext3 and reiserfs are equally good at that ;) |
| 09:49.55 | Bushmills | other than that, have a lot of RAM so files can be served from cache |
| 09:49.57 | ma3x | can you help me get my touchpad working? im getting this error (EE) xf86OpenSerial: No Device specified. Synaptics driver unable to open device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad" |
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| 09:50.20 | Dewi | kamaze: isn't that all database backed? |
| 09:50.33 | kamaze | Dewi, most of it |
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| 09:50.54 | kamaze | but also a svn is planned |
| 09:51.11 | Dewi | kamaze: starting to sound kind of general purpose |
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| 09:51.25 | Dewi | kamaze: svn, DB, and static webserving are all different use cases |
| 09:51.49 | kamaze | Dewi, yes. A small slave for everything :) |
| 09:52.07 | wols | kamaze: what is so special about your setup that you notice ext3 being slower? |
| 09:52.28 | kamaze | Linear increasing user count |
| 09:52.50 | wols | kamaze: that's a bollocks statement |
| 09:53.01 | kamaze | And we expect even more users due the latest happenings |
| 09:53.15 | wols | again: what is so special about your setup that you notice ext3 being slower? |
| 09:53.18 | Bushmills | users != disk activity |
| 09:53.32 | Bushmills | if 1 million users access the same file, it will be read once from disk only |
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| 09:53.52 | kamaze | Well, the use some services like our forums / wiki, which has a lot of files / attachments |
| 09:53.53 | Bushmills | (sufficient RAM assumed) |
| 09:54.23 | kamaze | 768 MB atm |
| 09:54.31 | wols | before your disk becomes a bottleneck your DB will in a forum |
| 09:54.36 | Bushmills | kamaze: network speed tends to be lower than harddisk speed |
| 09:54.45 | wols | that too |
| 09:55.12 | wols | kamaze: have you done your own comparison benchmarks? |
| 09:55.13 | jelly-home | kamaze: reiserfs has unreliable and extremely slow fsck. If you choose to go with, make sure your backups work. |
| 09:55.30 | kamaze | wols, nope |
| 09:55.46 | kamaze | Well, i'd run well with reiserfs until yet, but i would like to use the immutable bit |
| 09:55.50 | wols | kamaze: then you are not qualified to optimize since you simply don't know where the bottleneck lies |
| 09:56.03 | kamaze | ok, thats true wols |
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| 09:56.13 | kamaze | However, i want to choose a good setup :) |
| 09:56.27 | kamaze | and not to rue bad decisions later |
| 09:56.41 | Bushmills | has benchmarked reiser. ext3, xfs and jfs some time back. found that the speed gain of reiserfs is overrated wioth most operation. best it was at deleting files. |
| 09:57.03 | jelly-home | kamaze: think of this: RHEL only supports ext3. |
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| 09:57.25 | Bushmills | but there is only so much deleting one can do before mkfs would be a better alternative :) |
| 09:57.37 | wols | owen1: wrong way to do it. how did you install X exactly? what do you see after startx? |
| 09:57.50 | wols | kamaze: it is not except in corner cases |
| 09:58.29 | kamaze | ok, i think i'll use ext3 in the news mode with disabled access-time and ordered journal mode |
| 09:58.35 | kamaze | would that be a good choice? :) |
| 09:58.40 | owen1 | wols: i think i need to install fonts. i see error related to freefontpath. digging inti it.. |
| 09:58.41 | ay^ | !RHEL |
| 09:58.41 | dpkg | from memory, rhel is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (often abbreviated to RHEL) is a Linux distribution produced by Red Hat and targeted toward the commercial market. Red Hat undertakes to support each release of RHEL for 7 years after it first appears. New releases of RHEL come out every 18 months. As customers only pay for support, when Red Hat releases a new version of RHEL during the support period, customers may upgrade to it for no additional charge. |
| 09:58.52 | jelly-home | kamaze: good choice for what? |
| 09:59.02 | wols | owen1: you already fscked up your xinitrc btw. stop doing it more and tell us the error |
| 09:59.02 | kamaze | my general purpose setup |
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| 09:59.09 | wols | owen1: and answer my questions |
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| 09:59.28 | owen1 | wols: apt-get xorg |
| 09:59.49 | jelly-home | kamaze: the default number of inodes is usually ok for a "general purpose" setup ;-) |
| 10:00.06 | kamaze | Well, the major fear i have, is that i'd read much about it, that ext3 has problems with it, when there are directorys with much files |
| 10:00.13 | kamaze | and i have some dirs with 1000+ files |
| 10:00.50 | wols | kamaze: what is the average size of your files? |
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| 10:01.06 | jelly-home | kamaze: a) that's not much, b) etch e2fsprogs default to using -O dir_index |
| 10:01.09 | kamaze | hard to tell |
| 10:01.16 | aphexer | Will it be possible to keep running 2.6.18 kernel in lenny? I need some 3rd party patches which aren't stable yet on 2.6.24. |
| 10:01.30 | kamaze | between < 1MiB and 5 MB |
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| 10:02.04 | owen1 | wols: maybe my .xinitrc should have more lines (i only have exec dwm) |
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| 10:02.23 | wols | owen1: you should have NO .xinitrc |
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| 10:02.28 | kamaze | wols, commonly between 0 and 5 mb |
| 10:02.37 | wols | aphexer: yes |
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| 10:04.11 | owen1 | wols: i installed my xorg with apt-get xorg. (u asked me before |
| 10:04.29 | wols | owen1: I asked more than that |
| 10:04.36 | Guerin_ | apt-get xorg? |
| 10:04.37 | wols | also: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:04.49 | owen1 | Guerin: yes. |
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| 10:04.54 | wols | Guerin: don't pick nits here, it's a lost cause |
| 10:04.54 | Guerin | owen1: no. |
| 10:05.05 | owen1 | Guerin: apt-get install |
| 10:05.18 | soulchild | New Porblem: Is it possible that there is no "flashplugin" for debian lenn (amd64) |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | yay for terminology |
| 10:05.25 | owen1 | wols: sorry for being a newbi... |
| 10:05.30 | wols | soulchild: yes. /msg dpkg flash |
| 10:05.34 | Guerin | soulchild: anything's possible |
| 10:05.39 | wols | owen1: it has nothing to do with being a newbie |
| 10:05.40 | wvdschel | what is the debian package pool? how does it fit into the stable/testing/unstable system? is there a way to have apt use the packages in there? |
| 10:06.21 | wols | wvdschel: define "package pool" |
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| 10:06.47 | Guerin | wols: everything comes out of the pool in some way or other |
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| 10:07.09 | owen1 | wols: what other question did u ask? is there any info that will help u help me? |
| 10:07.21 | Guerin | !u |
| 10:07.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:07.27 | aphexer | wols: great, thanks |
| 10:08.09 | wvdschel | wols: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 10:08.17 | wols | Guerin: yes but his question indicates he's a bit confused, so better to make sure we explain him the proper things and he win't misunderstand |
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| 10:09.05 | cvn | hello is the java6 package available in debian? |
| 10:09.06 | wols | wvdschel: simply a way to order stuff in a apt repo. nothing you need yourself to concern about |
| 10:09.13 | cyzie | i have a pdb file, what application can open this type of file ? |
| 10:09.13 | wols | !tell cvn about java |
| 10:09.13 | wvdschel | at first I thought it was just the normal package tree, but it has package apt cant seem to find, so I wonder what these are |
| 10:09.20 | wols | cyzie: palms |
| 10:09.32 | omry|work | are there firefox 3 debs available somewhere ? |
| 10:09.44 | wols | omry|work: in experimental |
| 10:09.53 | omry|work | wols, will it install into lenny? |
| 10:09.55 | cyzie | just palm? any application in debian allow that? |
| 10:10.02 | wols | omry|work: if you insist |
| 10:10.08 | wvdschel | wols: how come there are packages there that aren't in any of the feeds? |
| 10:10.08 | omry|work | wols, what will it take? |
| 10:10.12 | wols | cyzie: a palm emulator. some ebook readers read pdb too |
| 10:10.23 | wols | omry|work: suicidal tendencies |
| 10:10.30 | wols | !tell omry|work about experimental |
| 10:11.08 | wvdschel | !tell wvdschel about experimental |
| 10:11.19 | wols | wvdschel: older ones for example which have been superseded in newer testing and unstable release. |
| 10:11.26 | wols | !tell wvdschel about selftell |
| 10:11.27 | cyzie | wols, any application in debian that does read that file? |
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| 10:11.48 | wols | !tell cyzie about search |
| 10:12.10 | wvdschel | wols: sorry |
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| 10:12.29 | wvdschel | wols: my problem is this: |
| 10:12.33 | wvdschel | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nhc98/ |
| 10:12.39 | wvdschel | its a very old build of nhc |
| 10:12.39 | wols | wvdschel: check snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:12.44 | wvdschel | aha |
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| 10:12.56 | SDragon | hi |
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| 10:13.22 | SDragon | how can I check the amount of memory an app uses? |
| 10:13.44 | Bushmills | cyzie: try txt2pdbdoc .. it won't be able to convert all pdbs, and should have a problem with encrypted pdbs |
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| 10:13.56 | wvdschel | SDragon, ps -eo vsize,comm |
| 10:14.18 | cyzie | bushblows, yeap, tried that. the output gibberish |
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| 10:14.21 | wols | SDragon: allocated, committed, shared, resident or what? |
| 10:14.29 | wvdschel | SDragon: among many others. There are graphical tools as well, such as gnome-system-monitor |
| 10:14.33 | wols | SDragon: this number is meaningless in a VM system |
| 10:15.00 | wols | cyzie: there are palm debuggers and emulators out there |
| 10:15.10 | bushblows | cyzie: lol, tried what? I didnt post anything. |
| 10:15.20 | bushblows | I am guessing typo + tab complete |
| 10:15.32 | wols | !cookie bushblows |
| 10:15.33 | dpkg | Hey wols, is |
| 10:15.44 | wols | dpkg: you arebroken |
| 10:15.44 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 10:15.55 | Bushmills | ah. was just reflecting about whether i should feel insulted, lol |
| 10:15.57 | cyzie | bushblows, txt2pdbdoc |
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| 10:16.10 | wvdschel | wols: is there any reason nhc is no longer updated? The port i'm using didn't even exist back then :( |
| 10:16.41 | bushblows | cyzie: wasnt me. |
| 10:16.42 | wols | wvdschel: apt-cache search nhc98 gives me one hit: hmake. look at its dependencies and it will be all clear |
| 10:16.50 | cyzie | sorry |
| 10:16.53 | cyzie | name mistake ;) |
| 10:17.05 | bushblows | hehe, its cool, know how it is. :) |
| 10:17.19 | cyzie | Bushmills, give it a -d works fine. |
| 10:17.25 | cyzie | thanks guys |
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| 10:18.41 | wvdschel | wols: I don't get it, it depends on the old version, sure, but isn't that because the old one is missing? |
| 10:18.43 | wvdschel | erm |
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| 10:18.49 | wvdschel | because there is no new one |
| 10:19.08 | drs- | how would i go about getting my wireless working on debian? this is my card... 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01).... can someone point me to a tutorial or something please? |
| 10:19.11 | wols | wvdschel: reread the dependencies until you understand them and learn what the | there means |
| 10:19.48 | wols | drs-: ndiswrapper probably |
| 10:20.01 | wvdschel | drs-: I think that's a wired card? |
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| 10:20.18 | wols | wvdschel: you're right. my bad |
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| 10:20.24 | wols | drs-: what kernel version? |
| 10:20.31 | drs- | emm |
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| 10:20.37 | drs- | 2.6.25 |
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| 10:20.46 | wols | that kernel supports this card out of the box |
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| 10:21.12 | wvdschel | wols: so there is no reason why its no longer maintained. Also, this is a full time job for you, isn't it? |
| 10:21.13 | drs- | for wireless? |
| 10:21.18 | drs- | or am i mistaken |
| 10:21.31 | wols | drs-: you are mistaken. your lspci output here is NOT a wireless card |
| 10:21.36 | wols | wvdschel: there is a reason |
| 10:21.57 | wvdschel | wols: I list them with apt-get showpkg, I don't see any |, what command do you use? |
| 10:21.58 | wols | drs-: pastebin lspci and lsubs output |
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| 10:22.11 | wols | apt-cache show |
| 10:22.20 | wols | drs-: lsusb |
| 10:23.09 | drs- | ahh |
| 10:23.10 | drs- | there it is |
| 10:23.13 | drs- | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter |
| 10:23.22 | drs- | sorry my mistake |
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| 10:23.34 | wvdschel | drs-: I think i had one of those, or at least a similar one, let me check |
| 10:23.35 | wols | drs-: /msg dpkg rtl8185 |
| 10:23.40 | wols | drs-: ndiswrapper still works |
| 10:23.46 | wvdschel | ah nm then :P |
| 10:23.53 | wvdschel | wols: the | means or, right? |
| 10:24.00 | wols | ...for small values of "works" |
| 10:24.02 | wols | wvdschel: yes |
| 10:24.15 | wvdschel | still don't see why that is a problem? |
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| 10:24.44 | wvdschel | because ghc is used more often nowadays? |
| 10:24.46 | wols | you have the problem apparently. not us |
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| 10:25.09 | wvdschel | wols: I know, but I don't understand it :P |
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| 10:26.39 | wvdschel | wols: any other hints? |
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| 10:27.05 | wols | hints for what? |
| 10:27.13 | wvdschel | what's causing it |
| 10:27.16 | wvdschel | I just dont' see it |
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| 10:29.54 | sharu_khan | hi |
| 10:30.38 | sharu_khan | i've reinstalled apache2 stopped service and then deleted apache2 folder. |
| 10:31.05 | sharu_khan | How can I get 'em back? Coz with apt-get install apache2 there's no new folder :( |
| 10:32.27 | wols | sharu_khan: which folder exactly? |
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| 10:33.04 | aphexer | How come lenny will be released so soon? The same year that etch was released? Isn't that very quick? |
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| 10:33.20 | wols | aphexer: etch wasn't released this year |
| 10:33.29 | wols | and lenny isn't released yet |
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| 10:34.23 | aphexer | wols: oh, it was the latest update that was this year of etch, it was released in 2007, ok |
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| 10:34.39 | aphexer | According to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html the plan is to release lenny in september :) |
| 10:34.47 | tingle | hello, i just installed debian minimal whit gnome-core its great but the only thing im missing is a good network manager gui that ive seen on for example ubuntu does anyone know the name of that network manager? |
| 10:34.51 | aphexer | Alot faster than expected :) |
| 10:34.58 | wvdschel | wols: come on, tell me :P I just see it depends on nhc98 and that there are alternatives |
| 10:34.59 | wols | and vista was supposed to come out 2005 or so |
| 10:35.06 | sharu_khan | :D |
| 10:35.11 | sharu_khan | LOL Vista.... . |
| 10:35.13 | wols | wvdschel: it does NOT depend on nhc98 |
| 10:35.26 | aphexer | wols: I thought debian just planned a release every 3 year, and this seemed to me something changed the plans |
| 10:35.32 | wols | tingle: gnome-network-manager |
| 10:35.34 | aleksanteri | humm |
| 10:35.36 | aphexer | just curious |
| 10:35.40 | wols | aphexer: there is no "plan" |
| 10:35.41 | tingle | wols: ty |
| 10:35.42 | wvdschel | tingle: network-manage and network-manager-gnome |
| 10:35.44 | aphexer | ok:) |
| 10:35.45 | aleksanteri | is the name for the next unstable being thought of/decided yet? |
| 10:35.48 | wvdschel | tingle: network-manager** |
| 10:36.01 | wols | aleksanteri: unstable is always sid and will never been released |
| 10:36.09 | wvdschel | wols: it does, it just refuses to use old nhc98 builds as far as I can tell? |
| 10:36.11 | aleksanteri | .. |
| 10:36.17 | tingle | wvdschel: E: Couldn't find package gnome-network-manager |
| 10:36.24 | tingle | wvdschel: sorry i mean wols |
| 10:36.28 | wols | tingle: search for it then |
| 10:36.29 | cahoot | aleksanteri: thinking of lenny? |
| 10:36.29 | aleksanteri | wols, i meant what will the next release name be? |
| 10:36.30 | wvdschel | tingle: use mine |
| 10:36.35 | wvdschel | network-manager-gnome |
| 10:36.42 | tingle | wvdschel: ok ill try ty |
| 10:36.45 | wols | aleksanteri: lenny |
| 10:36.51 | aleksanteri | wols, after that.. |
| 10:36.57 | wols | no one knows |
| 10:36.59 | wvdschel | wols: I'm gonna pm you some of my output, is that ok? |
| 10:37.05 | wols | no it's not ok |
| 10:37.06 | tingle | wvdschel: it worked ty |
| 10:37.08 | sharu_khan | now i've g00gled a lot but did not find out how to install apache2 correctly again :( |
| 10:37.16 | wols | sharu_khan: answer my question |
| 10:37.19 | wvdschel | tingle: np |
| 10:37.19 | aleksanteri | wols, so it hasn't been decided yet |
| 10:37.19 | harkai | i hope debian isn't crazy like ubuntu releasing every 1/2 year a new version from now on |
| 10:37.24 | wvdschel | wols: pastie then? |
| 10:37.34 | wols | wvdschel: whateve |
| 10:37.44 | sharu_khan | I did wols : /etc/apache2 |
| 10:37.51 | wols | !tell sharu_khan about confmiss |
| 10:38.14 | wols | sharu_khan: hint: it's apache2.3-common which "owns" this directory |
| 10:38.21 | wols | apache2 is simply a metapackage |
| 10:38.29 | wols | apache2.2-common |
| 10:38.33 | sharu_khan | Okay thanks |
| 10:38.47 | wvdschel | wols: http://pastie.org/215333 -> it says it depends on nhc98 (>= 1.16-7) and conflicts with nhc98 (<< 1.14-4) |
| 10:38.50 | sharu_khan | I've installed 2.0.55 i think |
| 10:38.57 | wvdschel | wols: I fail to see how that could be a problem? |
| 10:39.00 | tingle | wvdschel: how can i add it to my panel it doesnt seem to be on the list i get after clicking add to panel do i need to restart gnoem? |
| 10:39.06 | wols | sharu_khan: whichever. the -common packjage |
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| 10:39.22 | wvdschel | tingle: add it to startup stuff |
| 10:39.28 | wvdschel | think its preferences -> sessions |
| 10:39.36 | wols | wvdschel: I told you to learn what | means |
| 10:39.48 | wvdschel | add nm-applet --disable-sm to the startup stuff |
| 10:40.04 | ddalton | hey, anyone know how to get to the kernel boot prompt or whatever where I can type a command to start brltty in the debian installer? I'm using the debian testing cd1 for i386. |
| 10:40.04 | tingle | wvdschel: what startup stuff? |
| 10:40.05 | wols | wvdschel: and the only one making it a problem is you |
| 10:40.14 | ddalton | the 700 mb one |
| 10:40.18 | wols | !tell ddalton about d-i |
| 10:40.27 | wvdschel | wols: or. great, so there are alternatives to nhc98, but still, why would that mean nhc98 grows unsupported? |
| 10:40.49 | wols | wvdschel: possibly upstream EOLed it? |
| 10:40.51 | wvdschel | tingle: in gnome: preferences->administration->session (I THINK) |
| 10:41.01 | wvdschel | wols: EOL? |
| 10:41.06 | wols | !EOL |
| 10:41.07 | dpkg | methinks eol is end-of-line and is a common problem with windows+*nix machines if you intend to xfer files between them. fromdos/todos, available in sysutils, fixes that. |
| 10:41.08 | wvdschel | tingle: I use xfce |
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| 10:41.16 | wols | end of life |
| 10:41.38 | wvdschel | who is upstream? nhc98 has had a release in november 2007, so it ain't them :P |
| 10:41.57 | tingle | wvdschel: it already is added |
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| 10:42.18 | wols | tingle: dpkg -L <packagename> |grep bin |
| 10:42.35 | wvdschel | tingle: did you log out and log in again? if not, just press alt-f2 and enter that command in there |
| 10:42.41 | ddalton | wols: ok, so how do I get to the boot prompt with the testing lenny cd so I can start braille? |
| 10:42.48 | wvdschel | to start it in your current session |
| 10:42.53 | tingle | wols: for searching packages? i like to use 'apt-cache search <pkgname>' |
| 10:42.58 | wols | ddalton: why do you use the testing install CD? |
| 10:43.14 | wols | tingle: no that's not searching packages at all |
| 10:43.53 | ddalton | because, why not? saves me from a dist-upgrade, and lenny contains the latest accessibility stuff. |
| 10:43.54 | DawnLight | how do i know if something was uploaded to be in the next point release? |
| 10:44.08 | tingle | wvdschel: i would like to keep my X alive for now since i got other processes running is there away not kill X and still restart or something? |
| 10:44.10 | wols | ddalton: the installer also has the latest bugs |
| 10:44.35 | wols | DawnLight: check proposed updates |
| 10:44.39 | ddalton | so your saying I should install etch and then dist-upgrade to lenny each time? |
| 10:44.45 | wvdschel | wols: so there is no reason nhc98 is no longer supported besides the fact noone is maitaining it. and I spent almost an hour looking for an issue that isn't there |
| 10:44.48 | DawnLight | wols: where is that? |
| 10:44.53 | wols | ddalton: but generally ONLY security fixes are in a point release |
| 10:44.59 | wols | DawnLight: ^^ |
| 10:45.16 | sharu_khan | apache: could not open document config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 10:45.16 | sharu_khan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.21 | wols | !tell DawnLight about dsa |
| 10:45.28 | wols | sharu_khan: apache != apache2 |
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| 10:46.00 | sharu_khan | www:/# aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2 |
| 10:46.00 | sharu_khan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.01 | owen1 | i see black screen after typing xorg. when i hit alt+shift+F2 i see a few lines about (NI) not implemented and also missing fontset. |
| 10:46.19 | wols | sharu_khan: and I _explicitly_ told you that apache2 is only a metapackage |
| 10:46.22 | ddalton | wols: so your saying I should install etch and then run dist-upgrade instead of installing of cd1 (testing)? |
| 10:46.30 | wols | ddalton: yes |
| 10:46.46 | sharu_khan | that means what exactly? metapackage is something like add-on? |
| 10:46.48 | owen1 | sorry, after typing startx |
| 10:46.59 | wols | owen1: I asked you hours ago for your logs. |
| 10:47.04 | ddalton | but doesn't it do exactly the same thing except requires another step and users more of my download up? |
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| 10:47.16 | wols | sharu_khan: /msg dpkg metapackage |
| 10:47.29 | owen1 | wols: how do i type the log with no mouse? |
| 10:47.36 | owen1 | wols: (copy) |
| 10:47.37 | wols | ddalton: do you want to test the new installer? |
| 10:47.50 | DawnLight | wols: i'm not talking about security. there are lots of packages that get updated in the point release that aren't security. i'm following the debian-release list. i want to see what has been "uploaded" |
| 10:47.52 | owen1 | wols: or firefox |
| 10:47.53 | wols | owen1: many pastebins allow file uploads |
| 10:48.09 | wvdschel | wols: so your suggestion is using ghc6 instead of nhc98? |
| 10:48.18 | wols | DawnLight: what "point release" exactly. what packages exactly? |
| 10:48.19 | sharu_khan | thanks |
| 10:48.51 | ddalton | no, just get lenny on my hard drive. |
| 10:49.02 | wols | then the suggested way is etch+upgrade |
| 10:49.17 | wols | owen1: do what I told you |
| 10:49.56 | ddalton | k. thx |
| 10:50.02 | wols | !tell owen1 about pastewithoutx |
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| 10:51.27 | wvdschel | wols: I still don't know how to get nhc98 going now, :( |
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| 10:51.47 | wvdschel | wols: sorry to be bugging you all the time, but I'd really like to get it up and running |
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| 10:52.00 | wols | then install it! |
| 10:53.54 | wvdschel | wols: I cant! it's not in lenny or sid! and the pool only contains a 3 year old build. I run on armel-eabi, which didn't even EXIST in 2005... |
| 10:54.21 | wols | then you are SOL |
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| 10:55.05 | wvdschel | wols: great, thanks for your help anyway |
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| 10:55.20 | wols | you DO have a gcc/g++ right? |
| 10:56.30 | wvdschel | wols: I'd rather not. If I have to get gcc, I could just as well go with ghc. The thing is, I only have 1GB of storage on that device as well, and gcc and friends use up quite a bit of that space |
| 10:56.34 | Fabio_Como | i have a debian box. i want to have "mail" function of php enabled. I know I can do this with postfix using the box as a "satellite system" that relys on a external server. the problem is that this debian server has very low memory and so.. what's better to have a very very lightweight mailing satellite system? i will use the gmail smtp to send mails.. |
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| 10:57.15 | drs- | ok well ive done "modprobe rtl8187" being the kernel i have supports the wireless card.. edited /etc/network/interfaces did "ifup wlan0" and i get 'wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device' |
| 10:57.40 | wols | wvdschel: imho not really. but you could also cross compile |
| 10:57.55 | wols | drs-: check dmesg and ifconfig -a |
| 10:58.05 | drs- | ok |
| 10:58.10 | wvdschel | drs-: try ifconfig -a, and check which interfaces are in there. not all wireless cards are wlan0 |
| 10:58.12 | wols | Fabio_Como: ssmtp probably |
| 10:58.19 | drs- | ok |
| 10:58.21 | wvdschel | drs-: more likely eth1 for the rtl |
| 10:58.45 | drs- | ok |
| 10:58.51 | wols | drs-: nine out of ten times you miss the firmware |
| 10:58.54 | wvdschel | wols: I'll check and see how much space gcc will end up taking |
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| 10:58.59 | Fabio_Como | wols: thanks i check it |
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| 10:59.12 | wols | wvdschel: apt-get install build-essential it tells you before installing |
| 10:59.12 | drs- | ok thanks ill check it out |
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| 11:00.19 | madeddie | is people.debian.org down? |
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| 11:00.38 | wols | probably. debian sites had network problems all weekend |
| 11:00.46 | madeddie | ah |
| 11:00.48 | madeddie | k, thx |
| 11:01.47 | owen1 | wols: i uploaded my log : posting 6521 |
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| 11:02.24 | owen1 | wols: thanks for the help. |
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| 11:03.11 | wols | owen1: full url |
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| 11:04.01 | DawnLight | wols: ahm... i've kind of asked/arranged for a certain bugfix to be uploaded to the next point release, r4, IIRC. i want to know if the fix was uploaded (hal package). this is the thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/05/msg00447.html |
| 11:04.03 | Julouste | Any mirrors of packages.debian.org |
| 11:04.54 | wols | !tell owen1 about drxx |
| 11:05.16 | wols | Julouste: use apt-file |
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| 11:06.01 | Fabio_Como | i have a question. "ubuntu server 8.04" comes from debian stable (etch) or from an unstable debian? |
| 11:06.38 | owen1 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/6521 |
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| 11:07.20 | diveli | Fabio_Como: unstable |
| 11:07.25 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
| 11:07.50 | Fabio_Como | so i think much more better to use etch on server environments |
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| 11:09.57 | Fabio_Como | i have one more question.. is there a reason for which Tomcat6 is not at all in the backports repositories? because no one is interested to do this job (and in this case it can be cool for me trying to create its package) or because there are some security/stability reasons? |
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| 11:10.57 | diveli | Fabio_Como: for those questions, often useful to check Debian QA |
| 11:10.59 | diveli | http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tomcat6.html |
| 11:11.12 | diveli | looks like it's migrated from unstable to testing as of a few days ago |
| 11:11.39 | diveli | oh sorry, in regards to backports, i don't know |
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| 11:12.10 | Fabio_Como | thank you :) |
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| 11:13.17 | Fabio_Como | do u think it's hard to try to create a tomcat6 package by my self? i'm a programmer, so i have some skill, but i never tried before to create anything .deb, does it require a lot of documentation reading? |
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| 11:13.33 | bringatowel | after using ssh-copy-id to add an SSH key for a remote system running Etch it seems to be added properly to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys however the login connection still prompts for a password |
| 11:14.32 | diveli | Fabio_Como: making deb's isn't hard: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 11:14.54 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
| 11:14.58 | bringatowel | anyone know what might be wrong with it? neither ssh -i switch or ssh-add fix the problem, even though they work fine when connecting to other systems |
| 11:15.00 | diveli | where you might run into trouble is whether your .deb will require certain dependancies not in etch |
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| 11:15.33 | Fabio_Como | it will require sun-java5/6 from backports |
| 11:15.54 | JyZyXEL | for what processors is the k7 arch? |
| 11:16.21 | diveli | bringatowel: often i find ssh -v solves some of the mystery with that sort of thing |
| 11:16.35 | diveli | to see which key it's trying to use |
| 11:17.41 | diveli | JyZyXEL: amd, I think? |
| 11:17.50 | bringatowel | hmm ok thanks, ill check it out |
| 11:18.03 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 11:18.09 | diveli | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/ |
| 11:18.37 | JyZyXEL | maybe it has some cool optimization |
| 11:18.47 | JyZyXEL | i use i486 for Duron atm |
| 11:19.58 | Fabio_Como | I discovered how nice is tunnelling on ssh to connect to other closed ports on the remote machine. The idea would be to just open to the world port 22 and port 80. But if I want to give someone the right to tunnel to the database port over ssh, but i dont' want to give him a shell access, is it possible? |
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| 11:21.34 | owen1 | wols: i see many lines in my log that look like this: (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. |
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| 11:21.54 | Bushmills | Fabio_Como: you could think of openvpn |
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| 11:23.17 | diveli | Fabio_Como: this might be of use http://chxo.com/be2/20040511_5667.html |
| 11:23.44 | Bushmills | or, if he has a static ip address, an iptables rule |
| 11:24.21 | diveli | yep that too |
| 11:24.26 | Fabio_Como | diveli: seems the trick is to set its shell to /bin/false ? |
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| 11:24.53 | Fabio_Como | so he can just tunnel, but have no rights to browse on the filesystem and execute stuff |
| 11:25.05 | Fabio_Como | useradd -s /bin/false myuser |
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| 11:26.12 | diveli | Fabio_Como: I think that's the idea yeah. no bash access... not sure how the user can run mysql commands then.. ? |
| 11:26.30 | cmn | what's up with gluck.debian.org? |
| 11:26.48 | diveli | maybe due to the instant fork to background.. |
| 11:27.24 | diveli | oh and that the user is making the mysql command from their localhost |
| 11:27.38 | Fabio_Como | diveli: if the tunnel works, the user would connect to port XXX on his pc, and this port would be forwarded to port 3306 of the remote machine. so it will be able to execute mysql command just executing $mysql -u hisuser -p -h localhost -P XXX |
| 11:28.12 | diveli | yep |
| 11:28.19 | diveli | never tried that :) neat trick |
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| 11:28.49 | Fabio_Como | this can also be useful to do ftp over ssh tunnelling (and that was one reason for which i'm lookign for this stuff) |
| 11:29.04 | owen1 | wols: are u there? i sent u a link to my log file. |
| 11:29.21 | diveli | well there's always sftp |
| 11:29.32 | diveli | or scp :) |
| 11:29.40 | Fabio_Como | sftp does not jail the user in his ~ |
| 11:29.52 | diveli | oh good point |
| 11:29.56 | Fabio_Como | (except some tricks) |
| 11:29.57 | Fabio_Como | ftp does it naturally |
| 11:29.58 | diveli | yeah |
| 11:31.00 | Fabio_Como | the only point is to be certain at 100% that if I set user shell to /bin/false that user can just tunnel without doing anything else |
| 11:31.02 | bringatowel | diveli, hmm i dunno, it all looks okay, it is offering the right key but seems not be accepted: http://pastebin.com/m38824520 |
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| 11:31.42 | JyZyXEL | are there tools that parse the horrible "tc show" output? |
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| 11:32.03 | owen1 | startx show me black screen, the log show something about missing fonts folders - http://paste.debian.net/6521 any idea? |
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| 11:32.18 | wols | owen1: and I told you what to do |
| 11:32.31 | owen1 | wols: i posted my log. |
| 11:32.45 | wols | owen1: I looked at it and told you what to do |
| 11:32.55 | wols | 27 minutes ago |
| 11:32.55 | diveli | bringatowel: and user @ 192.168.0.100 definitely has the .pub file in his authorized_keys file? |
| 11:33.01 | owen1 | wols: really? oops. let me scroll up. |
| 11:33.13 | diveli | oh |
| 11:33.25 | diveli | bringatowel: shouldn't be using the .pub file in your -i parameter |
| 11:33.37 | diveli | use the id_rsa.2 file |
| 11:33.49 | diveli | the remote machine has to have the .pub file in authorized_hosts |
| 11:33.56 | owen1 | wols: u said full url. i sent u FULL url. |
| 11:34.19 | bringatowel | diveli, it seems to be added properly, i used "ssh-copy-id -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.2.pub user@192.168.0.100" |
| 11:34.24 | netsrot | when trying to use xforwarding I will need a lot of packages on x-client just to run a simple program like aterm? it say it will install aterm libafterimage0 libdrm2 libfreetype6 libgl1-mesa-glx libxinerama1 libxxf86vm1, is there a way to make it smaller? |
| 11:34.36 | wols | owen1: before that |
| 11:34.40 | bringatowel | ok, i think ive checked every combo, but ill try that |
| 11:34.56 | wols | owen1: you have a misconfigured monitor |
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| 11:35.18 | owen1 | wols: ok, can i fix it? |
| 11:35.21 | diveli | bringatowel: use ssh -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.2 -v user@192.168.0.100 |
| 11:35.29 | diveli | i've never used the ssh-copy-id command... |
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| 11:35.56 | diveli | i just scp my .pub file over and cat it into the authorized_keys file... assume ssh-copy-id does somethinng equivalent |
| 11:36.10 | dutchfish | on lenny i got this (looks like dhcp3) Jun 15 13:32:21 ws-179 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name |
| 11:36.21 | Fabio_Como | is there any paper that explain in a detailed way how linux handle the memory usage? i.e. I would love to understand better the meaning of the "memory" columns of the "top" command. |
| 11:36.23 | dvb | Hi, I have bought some new hardware, but retained the old harddrive. Now I can't get my sound to work for all (five...) users. They have different settings I am afraid and all attempts have either started the built-in sound card or the addon pci-card. Anyone good with this? I have failed since Saturday morning... |
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| 11:36.38 | wols | owen1: yes. I told you how 31 minutes ago |
| 11:36.47 | Skratz0r | waves |
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| 11:37.09 | wols | Fabio_Como: man top |
| 11:37.39 | wols | dvb: did you reinstall debian? |
| 11:37.51 | bringatowel | diveli, ssh -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.2 -v user@192.168.0.100 looks the same: http://pastebin.com/m36e70bdc |
| 11:38.15 | dvb | wols: no, it is a standard, Debian-Sid 32-bit |
| 11:38.17 | owen1 | i didn't see it since it's not yellow (i use irssi, i should find a way to change my setting!) |
| 11:38.26 | wols | dvb: that's not what I asked. did you reinstall debian? |
| 11:38.39 | dvb | wols: no |
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| 11:38.54 | bringatowel | diveli, im pretty sure that is exactly what ssh-copy-id does, id check the other way but it seems like ssh-copy-id is pretty reliable, it works fine on other debian servers |
| 11:38.57 | tweakism | sigh, people.debian.org is down, so flashplayer will not uninstall |
| 11:39.03 | wols | dvb: then why would it suddenly not work anymore with a new hdd added to the same installation? |
| 11:39.05 | tweakism | nice. |
| 11:39.23 | wols | tweakism: full output please |
| 11:39.32 | diveli | bringatowel: i find it strange that it is offering that file as a 'public' key instead of a private key |
| 11:39.33 | Fabio_Como | wols: http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/top.1.php Yes but it does not go in detail about what virtual memory is and stuff liek that |
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| 11:39.46 | dvb | wols: I dunno. |
| 11:39.46 | diveli | bringatowel: how did you generate the key |
| 11:39.47 | tweakism | people.debian.org website is down, and the flashplugin-nonfree removal script requires it to download scripts from for uninstall. |
| 11:39.53 | tweakism | all I can do is wait for it to come back up |
| 11:39.54 | wols | Fabio_Como: get a book on OS design then |
| 11:39.56 | bringatowel | dvb, what new hardware did you get? |
| 11:40.02 | loevborg | Is there a way to emulate a cron job? In particular, how do I "act as if" no terminal is available? |
| 11:40.16 | wols | dvb: something HAS changed or it would still work |
| 11:40.16 | bringatowel | diveli, ssh-keygen |
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| 11:40.34 | wols | loevborg: make a cronjob 1 minute into the future |
| 11:40.38 | loevborg | I mean, I want to create an environment that looks like the one in a cronjob |
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| 11:40.51 | loevborg | wols: that's hackish :( |
| 11:41.07 | dvb | wols: Well, I changed the hardware and have tinkered to get it work and lost sight, I guess. |
| 11:41.15 | wols | loevborg: it has the advantage of being a real cronjob |
| 11:41.24 | loevborg | wols: I've done that for a long time, and now I want to do it the right[tm] way. |
| 11:41.28 | wols | !tell dvb about errors |
| 11:41.50 | loevborg | wols: yeah, and you have to wait 1min every time you want to test something, and you have no terminal output |
| 11:42.03 | diveli | bringatowel: do an ssh-keygen -t rsa, save it as ~/.ssh/id_rsa_test, scp the id_rsa_test.pub file over, cat id_rsa_test.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and then try another ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa_test |
| 11:42.13 | diveli | just curious :) |
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| 11:44.04 | bringatowel | diveli, alright, but that is pretty much what im doing, except with ssh-copy-id, what is the proper permissions for the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file? |
| 11:44.42 | owen1 | wols: i got debian + X working! thanks |
| 11:44.45 | dutchfish | loevborg, Another approach is to wrap the cronjob in a script that creates a separate logfile.... This is probably the most common solution. |
| 11:45.14 | diveli | bringatowel: i have 644 on mine |
| 11:45.28 | dvb | wols: To begin, speaker-test, xmms don't give me sound. |
| 11:46.25 | wols | to begin with, either you give us errors and logs or you solve your own problems yourself |
| 11:46.30 | wols | dvb: we are not psychic |
| 11:46.48 | dutchfish | wols, bingo |
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| 11:47.03 | ma3x | how do i find out the make of my touchpad? |
| 11:47.03 | dvb | wols: where would I find any logs? I don't get any error messages |
| 11:47.08 | cahoot | dvb: only one soundcard on the system? |
| 11:47.28 | diveli | bringatowel: did you do ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.2.pub |
| 11:47.31 | wols | where all logs are /var/log/syslog and: ANY program which doesn't play sound will give you errors. xmms too |
| 11:47.36 | loevborg | dutchfish: true. |
| 11:47.41 | wols | cahoot: 2 soundcards as he said |
| 11:47.42 | dutchfish | ma3x, if usb -> lsusb -v ? |
| 11:47.59 | dvb | cahoot: There is one built in ("snd-hda-intel") and one addon ("snd-emu10k1") |
| 11:48.01 | ma3x | dutchfish: it's laptop integrated, not usb |
| 11:48.11 | bringatowel | diveli, yep |
| 11:48.16 | cahoot | dvb: you want the emu10k1 as default? |
| 11:48.19 | dutchfish | ma3x, lspci maybe? |
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| 11:48.27 | dvb | cahoot: yes |
| 11:48.42 | cahoot | dvb: see if asoundconf can make it default |
| 11:48.54 | ma3x | dutchfish: it doesn't say anything but intel and realtek |
| 11:49.17 | wols | ma3x: it does say more |
| 11:49.50 | ma3x | wols: verify yourself http://paste.debian.net/6525/ |
| 11:49.52 | dutchfish | ma3x, can you paste me the one line that lspci output for your device? |
| 11:50.08 | ma3x | ^ |
| 11:50.15 | owen1 | what repository do i need in my sources.list to get firefox-3 ? |
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| 11:50.21 | wols | ma3x: it doesn't say AN>THING about your touchpad |
| 11:50.31 | ma3x | wols: that was my point |
| 11:50.36 | wols | owen1: experimental |
| 11:50.43 | wols | ma3x: you've been told where to look above |
| 11:50.48 | ma3x | so how do i know what make of touchpad do i have |
| 11:50.53 | ma3x | look where above? |
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| 11:51.07 | ma3x | i told you it's not usb touchpad |
| 11:51.13 | owen1 | wols: what do u mean? |
| 11:51.13 | wols | how do you know? |
| 11:51.17 | dvb | cahoot: I typed "asoundconf set-default-card Live" as root but don't know if it was set. How do I check? |
| 11:51.26 | wols | owen1: short answer: there is no firefox 3 |
| 11:51.40 | ma3x | how do you know what? |
| 11:51.41 | owen1 | wols: for debian users? |
| 11:51.45 | wols | ma3x: what doed lsusb -v say? |
| 11:51.58 | ma3x | wols: long output which contains nothing like 'synaptics' or 'touchpad' |
| 11:52.08 | wols | puts ma3x on ignore |
| 11:52.23 | ma3x | go fuckyourself you piece of shit |
| 11:52.24 | loevborg | Grr.. There must be a way to make a program believe it has no terminal attached! |
| 11:52.35 | owen1 | ma3x: what's going on? |
| 11:52.46 | wols | ma3x: you have a nice way of getting help. good luck |
| 11:52.52 | craigevil | iw3 is in sid, iceweasel=firefox |
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| 11:52.56 | ma3x | he's so fucking arrogant every time |
| 11:53.00 | ma3x | i hate him |
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| 11:53.04 | dutchfish | ma3x, 1. be polite 2. be patient 3. do use harse words 4. if this all not aply, go elswhere |
| 11:53.12 | owen1 | ma3x: so what? he is also helping us. |
| 11:53.25 | craigevil | owen1: Iceweasel Candidate: 3.0~rc2-1 |
| 11:53.26 | ma3x | he has bad behaviour |
| 11:53.28 | ma3x | pissing people off |
| 11:53.35 | ma3x | so often |
| 11:54.08 | hoxu | ma3x, good luck trying to get help with that attitude |
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| 11:54.17 | dutchfish | ma3x, would you not be annoyed if you want to help someone and he is not listening to your advise? |
| 11:54.19 | ma3x | he's not like some of the great helpers like stew or the others |
| 11:54.23 | owen1 | ma3x: but u can ask other people. not him. |
| 11:54.44 | bringatowel | diveli, here is the whole thing: http://pastebin.com/m381e507a |
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| 11:55.04 | owen1 | craigevil: Iceweasel is the firefox for debian? |
| 11:55.08 | bringatowel | maybe it is because there is no name server set up? i have to SSH directly to the IP address, not sure if that matters... |
| 11:55.09 | craigevil | owen1: yes |
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| 11:55.30 | hoxu | !tell owen1 about why iceweasel |
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| 11:55.54 | owen1 | craigevil: interesting. is there a reason why firefox is not being used? |
| 11:56.03 | wols | craigevil: please paste your full apt-cache policy output for iceweasel. cause in my sid here there it's still 2.0 |
| 11:56.07 | hoxu | owen1, read the factoid |
| 11:56.27 | craigevil | Installed: 2.0.0.14-2 |
| 11:56.27 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.35 | wols | craigevil: full please |
| 11:56.39 | wols | to see from which repo it comes |
| 11:56.50 | craigevil | nl |
| 11:56.55 | craigevil | !paste |
| 11:56.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:56.55 | owen1 | hoxu: ok |
| 11:57.05 | wols | oops. mea culpa. the update wasn't finished proprely |
| 11:57.09 | wols | craigevil: sorry |
| 11:57.24 | craigevil | wols: http://paste.debian.net/6526/ |
| 11:57.36 | wols | craigevil: thanks. yes saw it mysel. just too late .( |
| 11:57.51 | craigevil | its been in nl since friday |
| 11:57.54 | Bushmills | bringatowel: looks like your private key doesn't match any of these pub keys |
| 11:58.15 | craigevil | i gave up on us repo |
| 11:58.16 | diveli | bringatowel: i'm not sure... i always use ssh-keygen -t rsa . not sure if it makes that much of a difference |
| 11:58.25 | bringatowel | Bushmills, hmm well i have no clue why, you can see the keypair was just generated |
| 11:58.26 | diveli | bringatowel: dns shouldn't mantter |
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| 11:59.31 | Bushmills | bringatowel: is the name of private key on local system id_rsa.test555? |
| 11:59.42 | owen1 | is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 11:59.56 | bringatowel | Bushmills, yes |
| 12:00.02 | wols | !tell owen1 about why aptitude |
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| 12:00.09 | Bushmills | bringatowel: rename it to  id_rsa |
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| 12:00.26 | humbolt | Hi, I have a faulty disk and I want to rescue everything that does not have faulty blocks. I first tried with dd but this would take forever, as dd tries to read each dead block several times. I have the speed of a 48k modem when reading from my drive. |
| 12:00.31 | dvb | Oh, after I tried to set the the default card, I did receive error messages: http://paste.debian.net/6527/ |
| 12:00.34 | diveli | bringatowel: pastebin the /etc/ssh/ssdhd_config from the remote server |
| 12:00.37 | humbolt | How could I possibly speed this up |
| 12:00.39 | owen1 | cool. aptitude is the way to go. |
| 12:00.44 | diveli | bringatowel: sshd_config sorry |
| 12:00.48 | kyaneos | how can i disable module autoload at boot up?? please |
| 12:01.01 | svenx | humbolt: ddrescue (in apt-get) |
| 12:01.17 | Bushmills | bringatowel: or change key name in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 12:01.31 | svenx | kyaneos: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklists |
| 12:01.37 | Nyle | good morning |
| 12:01.47 | diveli | bringatowel: maybe it's confused by the period before test555. try id_rsa_test555 |
| 12:01.49 | wols | !tell kyaneos about blacklist |
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| 12:02.20 | dutchfish | humbolt, dd_rescue |
| 12:02.48 | kyaneos | svenx: there i put modules i do not want to load, do not i?? |
| 12:02.50 | dutchfish | humbolt, but i doubt that that speed up much |
| 12:03.08 | Dewi | humbolt: I recommend gddrescue rather than dd_rescue |
| 12:03.11 | bringatowel | diveli, here is /etc/ssh/ssdhd_config - http://pastebin.com/m75dc3b5e |
| 12:03.30 | Dewi | humbolt: but either of them will skip over bad areas so you can come back to them later, thus getting as much as possible before putting strain on the disk |
| 12:03.36 | Dewi | humbolt: I wouldn't rescue any other way anymore |
| 12:03.41 | abrotman | kyaneos: see what the bot told you (some modules are harder to blacklist than others) |
| 12:03.47 | humbolt | the description of ddrescue reads like dd conv=noerror |
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| 12:04.03 | Dewi | humbolt: dd_rescue is a lot harder to use than gddrescue |
| 12:04.07 | owen1 | I looking lightweight text-based audio player. anyone? |
| 12:04.09 | Dewi | humbolt: they are nothing like conv=noerror |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | owen1: player for what? |
| 12:04.27 | Dewi | humbolt: because they keep track of what they have skipped, so you can catch them on a later pass |
| 12:04.36 | owen1 | abrotman: music/audio |
| 12:04.43 | abrotman | mp3? cd? flac? |
| 12:04.45 | humbolt | Dewi: are there software ways to get even more data from the disk later? |
| 12:04.54 | abrotman | i got the "audio" part |
| 12:04.57 | owen1 | abrotman: mp3/ogg etc |
| 12:05.07 | Dewi | humbolt: yes... like I say, they read the good bits, and come back for the bad |
| 12:05.08 | svenx | how can avoid 'make-kpkg clean' after doing a small change in my kernel source? 'make-kpkg ...' fails because of wrong revision/versions if i don't do clean first |
| 12:05.13 | humbolt | Dewi: and what will happen to my fs when some blocks are missing? |
| 12:05.19 | abrotman | mpg123 .. ogg123 ? |
| 12:05.20 | dutchfish | Dewi, yes, but it has more depends |
| 12:05.25 | Dewi | humbolt: and you can read the bad for as long as you wish to do so, you will gradually diminish the unknown regions |
| 12:05.29 | diveli | bringatowel: is that all of the config? |
| 12:05.50 | abrotman | owen1: music123 ? .. apt-cache search play mp3 ogg |
| 12:05.52 | Dewi | humbolt: I can usually get it down to just kilobytes of loss on GB/TB disks |
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| 12:06.19 | abrotman | svenx: i don't think you can, did you try a regular `make clean` ? |
| 12:06.28 | Dewi | humbolt: more depends? |
| 12:06.51 | svenx | abrotman: yes, but that too makes me recompile the entire tree, when i only changed one object file |
| 12:07.01 | dutchfish | Dewi, libgcc1 libstdc++6 |
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| 12:07.07 | humbolt | Dewi: sounds good. |
| 12:07.43 | abrotman | svenx: depending on the object .. might be necessary |
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| 12:08.21 | svenx | abrotman: net/ipv4/route.c .. i would think it was not necessary, but i don't know.. oh well, will wait out the compiling anyway |
| 12:08.38 | humbolt | Dewi: reading the description it looks like I can copy everything I can get in the first run, then access the fs (ro) copy some of my data and go on with reconstruction later. is this assumption right? |
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| 12:09.08 | owen1 | abrotman: great, 10x |
| 12:09.09 | dutchfish | on lenny i got this (looks like dhcp3) Jun 15 13:32:21 ws-179 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name |
| 12:09.09 | Dewi | humbolt: yeah |
| 12:09.10 | abrotman | svenx: and you guys gotta stop changing the default theme every freaking release :) |
| 12:09.17 | Dewi | humbolt: I even chanced a r/w mount once and came off okay |
| 12:09.24 | Dewi | humbolt: (ntfs, windows, r/w was my only choice) |
| 12:09.25 | ivan_w | Err.. What's wrong with packages.debian.org & buildd ? I can' seem to be able to access those.. (I'm just waiting on apache2.. it seems there is a FTBFS issue with 2.2.8-5 on some archs).. |
| 12:09.31 | svenx | abrotman: wait what? i might be the wrong svenx |
| 12:09.37 | abrotman | ivan_w: pdo is down |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | svenx: your hostmask |
| 12:09.48 | svenx | haha |
| 12:09.52 | svenx | right :) |
| 12:09.53 | ivan_w | abrotman: ok.. you're aware of it.. I'm wait ;) thx |
| 12:09.59 | ivan_w | I'll* |
| 12:09.59 | Dewi | humbolt: the only disadvantage is finding known-good contiguous storage for the massive rescued block |
| 12:10.04 | humbolt | Dewi: have an ntfs partition to rescue as well |
| 12:10.06 | abrotman | ivan_w: it's been down since at least saturday AM |
| 12:10.49 | humbolt | Dewi: ?? want to rescue a 100gb disk onto a 300 gb disk |
| 12:10.51 | Dewi | humbolt: well, hint - don't try to store big rescued images *within* NTFS if you are writing from linux, ntfs-3g gets amazingly slow and cPU-bound at large file offsets |
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| 12:11.16 | bringatowel | diveli, oops nope, here is the whole thing: http://pastebin.com/f6ec3c28b |
| 12:11.17 | EoN | Guys I've set up a dedicated debian server. I'm testing sending emails from PHP via connecting directly to SMTP socket/etc. When I send mail to a hotmail account from my new box. the /var/log/mail.info says status=sent - but it doesnt arrive to the hotmail account? :/ |
| 12:11.26 | EoN | other addresses seem to get emails ok |
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| 12:11.30 | EoN | hotmail & yahoo don't :( |
| 12:11.43 | wols | EoN: are you on a dialup ip range? like home dsl or cable? |
| 12:11.49 | abrotman | EoN: spam bucket ? |
| 12:12.00 | Dewi | humbolt: 100GB is pretty manageable these days. Which is why I never let a windows C:\ have more than 40GB, makes rescue / image backup so much easier |
| 12:12.03 | ivan_w | abrotman: ok.. (Well.. I was just trying to upgrade (on sid) and apache2 is not installable.. Apparently some missing source dep on libexpat).. Like I said, I'll just wait (or get the source, update the dsc & build it myself :P ) |
| 12:12.09 | humbolt | Dewi: what I was up to was copying the whole disk to another disk, like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 12:12.11 | EoN | wols: nah its leased dedicated box - 10Mbit |
| 12:12.12 | Bushmills | EoN: look at mail log for the reason why they refuse. fix it. |
| 12:12.19 | Dewi | humbolt: yep |
| 12:12.23 | abrotman | ivan_w: okay .. have fun! |
| 12:12.37 | Bushmills | EoN: i guess it is a matter of setting up rdns correctly |
| 12:12.52 | EoN | hmmm... it could well be that actually |
| 12:12.58 | abrotman | EoN: if you send an email normally for the box .. does it make it ? |
| 12:12.58 | EoN | so if that's not set up, some hosts will bar you hey? |
| 12:12.59 | Dewi | humbolt: I'm just saying, I've had a 1.5TB disk fail before. There was no gddrescuing that one! |
| 12:13.02 | Dewi | grins. |
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| 12:13.12 | humbolt | Dewi: I personally do not have nor manage any Windows system. I refuse to. It is just that a friend of mine approached me to rescue his accounting data. |
| 12:13.14 | EoN | emails seem to get through to gmail, and to other email addresses i have |
| 12:13.14 | diveli | bringatowel: hmm doesn't seem to be anything strange there. try my other idea without the period . ? bit of a weird one! |
| 12:13.16 | Bushmills | EoN: right |
| 12:13.16 | abrotman | Dewi: porn drive? |
| 12:13.19 | EoN | but hotmail/yahoo = fail |
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| 12:13.38 | abrotman | EoN: and it's not in the spam? |
| 12:13.44 | ivan_w | EoN: I think yahoo wants SPF and hotmail wants sender-id |
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| 12:13.55 | Legality | hi |
| 12:14.01 | EoN | abrotman: the hotmail spam? nah :( just not there at all |
| 12:14.02 | Dewi | abrotman: if you consider 30 year old doctor who episodes to be porn... which I *do* |
| 12:14.06 | abrotman | ivan_w: but they don't require it |
| 12:14.10 | Legality | what are the main advantages of a rack server compared to a normal box server? |
| 12:14.27 | Legality | expandable? |
| 12:14.28 | abrotman | looks at Bushmills |
| 12:14.28 | moogle | modularity? |
| 12:14.38 | diveli | Legality: more puns in regards to having a nice rack |
| 12:14.42 | EoN | lol |
| 12:14.46 | Legality | puns? |
| 12:14.47 | Dewi | abrotman: but mostly that disk was used for linux ISOs, obviously |
| 12:14.58 | abrotman | Legality: ask ##hardware |
| 12:15.01 | ivan_w | abrotman: no, but it seems (I am not 100% sure here, just hear-say) that they are more likely to get categorized as unsolicited bulk e-mail if you don't |
| 12:15.21 | owen1 | what is the difference between ~ and home/<my user>. i thought they are the same! |
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| 12:16.02 | dutchfish | EoN, make your script send its mail to a mailserver on the same machine through localhost, that way you not blocked by greylisting and what not |
| 12:16.19 | dutchfish | EoN, you can check the log files too more easely |
| 12:16.55 | ivan_w | owen1: it depends on what home directory you have in your user store for that user (likely /etc/passwd, but could be something else - like LDAP or an Active Directory - depending on what is in nsswitch.conf) |
| 12:17.07 | dutchfish | EoN, make sure that you have some form of ratelimiting |
| 12:17.20 | EoN | how many sends to hotmail/yahoo with a messed up rdns would there need to be before they might blacklist it? :/ |
| 12:17.34 | moogle | How do i uninstall something with its dependencies? - For example when I try: apt-get remove xorg then it removes one and only one packet of ~43kb... - But I want to kick out everything that came with it. |
| 12:17.37 | EoN | dutchfish: yeah i suspect it may be something to do with the mailserver/hostname/rdns |
| 12:17.40 | dutchfish | EoN, very soon (a mther of seconds) |
| 12:17.41 | diveli | bringatowel: gotta go, sorry. good luck :( |
| 12:17.53 | bringatowel | hehe, oh well thanks :) |
| 12:17.54 | Bushmills | EoN: if their mail server has been configured that way, not even the first will be accepted |
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| 12:18.02 | EoN | even a single wrong email, they might blacklist you for good? |
| 12:18.05 | owen1 | ivan_w: i am confused..i'll google for it. is it uniqe to debian? |
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| 12:18.10 | bringatowel | im trying just with id_rsa now |
| 12:18.12 | Bushmills | is jsut a check: rdns ookup fails -> refuse. |
| 12:18.37 | EoN | Bushmills: is there a way i can test if the rdns is set up properly? |
| 12:18.42 | ivan_w | owen1: nope.. nothing debian specific regarding home directories (and the "~" mapping) |
| 12:18.54 | abrotman | EoN: nslookup <ip> |
| 12:19.07 | jarick | Or dig -x <ip> |
| 12:19.09 | bringatowel | here is one weird thing, "ssh-add -D" says all identities removed, but then "ssh-add -l" still list two keys |
| 12:19.36 | Bushmills | EoN: just do what i asked you ... look at mail log, if mail is refused, the reason is given there. |
| 12:19.46 | dutchfish | EoN, not a single mail, but alot of the same mail, yes |
| 12:20.24 | EoN | Bushmills: as i said initially - the hotmail one actually says 'status=sent' which is really weird. |
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| 12:20.33 | EoN | the yahoo one did have a weird error. i'll grab it. |
| 12:20.35 | ivan_w | EoN: setting up reverse DNS requires you to have the collaboration of your LIR or RIR (depending on your region, on the size of your IP range, etc, etc..) |
| 12:20.38 | Bushmills | EoN: oh, missed that |
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| 12:21.02 | dutchfish | prolly a 555 |
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| 12:22.38 | paddy2706 | erm guys and gals one small question: I have a file /dev/sdab that contains binary garbage. is there any chance this is neccessary? rkhunter complains about it every run and i would love to delete it. any risks? |
| 12:23.25 | JyZyXEL | how the heck can recursive grep from . cause No such file errors |
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| 12:23.39 | JyZyXEL | thats just impossible |
| 12:23.50 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, symlinks? |
| 12:24.03 | hoxu | broken ones at that |
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| 12:24.24 | ivan_w | JyZyXEL: yeah.. symlinks or a file got unlinked after grep read the directory |
| 12:24.25 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, man 1 symlinks |
| 12:24.32 | Bushmills | paddy2706: is that the result of a typo, when you wanted to, say .. > /deb/sda or ...> /dev/sdb ? |
| 12:24.42 | jarick | paddy2706: How many partitions do you have on the drive? |
| 12:25.09 | paddy2706 | I do not have a drive sda but there is a "file" not a block that is called sdab |
| 12:25.35 | hoxu | paddy2706, what does file -s /dev/sdab say? |
| 12:25.36 | jarick | paddy2706: Could you humor me and run file on it? |
| 12:25.38 | Bushmills | paddy2706: do ls -l /dev/sdab, look at the first char. if that's a "b", don't delete. |
| 12:25.53 | paddy2706 | its not a block device its a regular file |
| 12:26.05 | paddy2706 | file says data |
| 12:26.16 | Bushmills | if there's a "-", it is a file, and probaly created by accident/typo |
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| 12:26.24 | jarick | paddy2706: How big is it? |
| 12:26.29 | hoxu | jarick, hive mind ! |
| 12:26.33 | paddy2706 | 512bytes |
| 12:26.34 | Bushmills | in which case you can very likely remove it |
| 12:26.50 | jarick | hoxu: The paranoiaometer is going off. |
| 12:27.00 | hoxu | yes, feel free to delete... everything ! |
| 12:27.02 | hoxu | !full refund policy |
| 12:27.02 | dpkg | We have a full refund policy here. If you aren't satisfied with the service, you can have all the money you paid back! |
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| 12:27.22 | dutchfish | hoxu, :) |
| 12:27.28 | paddy2706 | ;) thanks |
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| 12:27.43 | Bushmills | it may just have been a poorly written bootsector virus |
| 12:27.45 | ivan_w | It could be some form of backup of the boot sector.. since rkhunter barfs on it, it's possible you DO have a rootkit on that machine after all ! |
| 12:27.52 | Bushmills | :) |
| 12:28.03 | jarick | ivan_w: rkhunter barfs on files in /dev/ |
| 12:28.09 | hoxu | paddy2706, now, instead of a typo, I'd much more like to believe it means your system got rooted... do you happen to have any tinfoil? |
| 12:28.10 | jarick | Because that's a likely place to hide stuff. |
| 12:28.15 | ivan_w | jarick: wasn't aware of that.. thanks |
| 12:28.45 | deretet | I don't wan to start any flame war but,i've used slackware for several years and i tempted to use tyr debian? any thoughts? |
| 12:28.59 | jarick | deretet: Try it and see how it works out for you? |
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| 12:29.20 | Bushmills | paddy2706: look whether it contains the text "with compliments of Schaeuble" |
| 12:29.23 | EoN | Bushmills: just checked the log again, the hotmail one says: Jun 15 08:27:19 207-111-222-333 postfix/smtp[18003]: D9C011A8AFA: to=<theaddress@hotmail.com>, relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.72]:25, delay=1.6, delays=0.07/0.05/0.38/1.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 <20080615122717.17546.645177209.swift@my.hostname.net.au> Queued mail for delivery) |
| 12:29.29 | hoxu | deretet, yes, http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 12:29.39 | EoN | is there any other more useful information than /var/log/mail.info? |
| 12:29.41 | deretet | any apparent advantages compared to slackware? |
| 12:29.42 | jarick | deretet: You should expect a mostly pro-debian response from this channel |
| 12:29.43 | EoN | or is that where it's all happening? |
| 12:29.56 | deretet | I know that... |
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| 12:30.14 | Bushmills | EoN: next line, where it say "removed" |
| 12:30.22 | jarick | hoxu: Too bad debian doesn't do http://xkcd.com/416/ |
| 12:30.24 | deretet | just thought i might find someone who has gone from slackwrae to debian |
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| 12:30.38 | dutchfish | !tell deretet about whydebian |
| 12:30.38 | abrotman | deretet: and then they would tell you that it's way better? |
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| 12:30.54 | jarick | paddy2706: Humour us again and run strings /dev/sdab | less |
| 12:30.59 | jarick | Anything strange? |
| 12:30.59 | EoN | Bushmills: Jun 15 08:27:19 207-111-222-333 postfix/qmgr[17057]: D9C011A8AFA: removed |
| 12:31.12 | paddy2706 | Bushmills, hoxu, jarick: thanks guys. The file is really old and there has not been any acces so I guess its alright. I deleted it. It contained 512bytes, always the same spacer |
| 12:31.13 | tabata | hi there the debian-sys-main does not seem to be authorised anylonger to act up on my mysql server |
| 12:31.27 | Bushmills | paddy2706: bundestrojaner |
| 12:31.28 | EoN | Bushmills: does that reveal anything? what does that 'removed' line mean? |
| 12:31.30 | paddy2706 | jarick, sorry i already deleted the file |
| 12:31.44 | tabata | /etc/init.d/mysql restart or stop will fail returning an error concerning an unauthorising user |
| 12:31.56 | jarick | paddy2706: Damn. Boot off some external media and run debsums just to be sure. |
| 12:31.57 | Bushmills | EoN: your server is done with taht mail |
| 12:32.12 | hoxu | !tell paddy2706 about compromise check |
| 12:32.32 | EoN | Bushmills: would an rdns problem be indicated there? |
| 12:32.35 | jarick | hoxu: GET OUT OF MY HEAD. |
| 12:32.43 | EoN | i mean - would it display an error if the problem was rdns? |
| 12:32.46 | Bushmills | EoN: no, not with hotmail |
| 12:32.50 | EoN | ahh ok |
| 12:32.54 | hoxu | rewires some things on his way out |
| 12:32.55 | Bushmills | EoN: yes, would show |
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| 12:33.28 | EoN | Bushmills: but something's still wack :S |
| 12:33.46 | dutchfish | raps thin foil around his head |
| 12:33.47 | paddy2706 | jarick, sorry I can't boot the machine in anything else - its located some 500km north. |
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| 12:34.11 | Bushmills | EoN: i have rdns check active on mine + some more strict checks. send me a mail, i can check what mine will complain about yours. |
| 12:34.11 | badboy | hi guys, is there a way to make apt-get to color output like i.e. emerge in gentoo? |
| 12:34.12 | jarick | paddy2706: :( I just wont trust the stuff that's running on the machine now. But that's just the paranoid me. |
| 12:34.30 | hoxu | is there any livecd especially suitable for checking a debian system for rootkits and stuff? |
| 12:34.30 | EoN | Bushmills: ok cool |
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| 12:34.55 | abrotman | hoxu: helixlinux is a "security minded" distro .. whatever that means |
| 12:35.01 | tabata | can someone tell me how to reset the debian-sys-maint password for the mysql server ? |
| 12:35.41 | jarick | hoxu: I recall Backtrack having debsums. |
| 12:35.41 | paddy2706 | thanks anyways jarick |
| 12:35.41 | EoN | one sec will just set it up Bushmills |
| 12:35.57 | tabata | anyone |
| 12:36.08 | ivan_w | tabata: looking |
| 12:36.21 | tabata | thanks |
| 12:36.26 | hoxu | tabata, we saw your question, it's currently pending a random answer when we can generate enough entropy |
| 12:36.40 | jarick | paddy2706: No problem, it's just me being paranoid. |
| 12:37.25 | dutchfish | paddy2706, did you also try chkrootkit ? |
| 12:37.38 | dutchfish | paddy2706, with a fresh install that is |
| 12:37.51 | ivan_w | tabata: the password is usually set in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf.. If you have access to a superuser, you should be able to update the password to match the one in that file for the user (using a 'GRANT .. identified by...') |
| 12:37.51 | tabata | hoxu: ? |
| 12:38.04 | tabata | ivan_w: ok thanks |
| 12:38.23 | paddy2706 | dutchfish, i ran chkrk but it wont find anything. |
| 12:38.39 | dutchfish | paddy2706, ok |
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| 12:40.30 | Cufaf | Nyle: kino cant add to mp3 :S |
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| 12:41.05 | Cufaf | i need a Video editor adn mix with mp3 who can help me? |
| 12:42.05 | tabata | ivan_w: ok I have reset the password and it now works, but could have make it stop working do you recon ? |
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| 12:42.28 | ivan_w | tabata: did you by any chance transfer the databases from another system ? |
| 12:42.29 | tymonn | Howdy |
| 12:42.41 | tabata | ivan_w: no i did not do anything |
| 12:42.45 | geneven | I have a bcm43xx wireless prob. I can ping myself, but can't browse. Questions or suggesstions? it works in puppy linux, not in debian yet |
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| 12:43.26 | ivan_w | tabata: well frankly, I don't know.. maybe an update script gone awry.. but could be a lot of things |
| 12:43.36 | tabata | ivan_w: thanks anyway |
| 12:44.06 | tymonn | my clock is 2hours ahead and even when i change it, after i reboot the clock goes back to the 2hours ahead :x |
| 12:44.21 | hoxu | !hwclock |
| 12:44.21 | dpkg | hwclock is, like, a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. |
| 12:44.56 | tymonn | E: Couldn't find package hwclock |
| 12:44.56 | hoxu | tymonn, try hwclock --systohc when the system time is correct, you should also use ntp |
| 12:44.57 | tymonn | shist |
| 12:45.07 | ivan_w | tymonn: is your timezone set correctly (with respect to your locale) ? |
| 12:45.10 | JyZyXEL | so any good program to configure the QoS for gateway? |
| 12:45.18 | tymonn | indeed ivan_w it is! |
| 12:45.36 | hoxu | tymonn, util-linux |
| 12:45.45 | hoxu | tymonn, is this a laptop perhaps? |
| 12:45.54 | tymonn | yes |
| 12:45.55 | tymonn | :O |
| 12:45.57 | JyZyXEL | iptables is not considered good |
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| 12:46.10 | hoxu | tymonn, the shutdown scripts don't properly save hw time on some laptops |
| 12:46.29 | dutchfish | is it save to use gcc-4.3 on lenny to compile a kernel or am i overlooking something? |
| 12:46.34 | tymonn | :O i understand |
| 12:46.43 | tymonn | hoxu: is there anyway to correct this bug? |
| 12:47.28 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 12:47.40 | hoxu | tymonn, well, for starters, try "hwclock --systohc" above... if you want, you can mess up with the shutdown scripts somewhere in /etc (grep -rn hwclock /etc) to get it save properly every time |
| 12:48.57 | dutchfish | i meant gcc-4.3 on amd64 for intel 64 bit |
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| 12:49.27 | Bushmills | dutchfish: mine is 4.3 compiled, runs without hitch as far |
| 12:49.52 | dutchfish | Bushmills, thx, any catches (modules, headers) ? |
| 12:50.10 | Bushmills | not x64 here. |
| 12:50.21 | hoxu | tymonn, more like, "hwclock --systohc --directisa" may save the time properly |
| 12:50.25 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, ill give it swirl |
| 12:50.42 | HardDisk_WP | why does my debian ignore sysctl.conf? |
| 12:50.50 | HardDisk_WP | in it, ipv6 forwarding is enabled |
| 12:50.54 | JyZyXEL | seriosly any Quality of Service configurators? |
| 12:50.54 | dutchfish | hoxu, wow, i was looking for that, does it work on amd64 lenny? |
| 12:50.57 | HardDisk_WP | but the setting doesnt get set at boot |
| 12:51.10 | hoxu | dutchfish, what? hwclock? |
| 12:51.14 | tymonn | hoxu: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 12:51.22 | hoxu | tymonn, with or without --directisa? |
| 12:51.25 | dutchfish | hoxu, yes, and the missing adjtime bug |
| 12:51.27 | tymonn | hoxu: is this a bug? when i try to systohc |
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| 12:52.15 | dutchfish | hoxu, openntpd spits at me with not able to execute adjtime, because the package is missing |
| 12:52.30 | hoxu | dutchfish, oh, I dunno about that |
| 12:52.37 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm getting the error "No screens found" when starting X after installing ATI (I followed the guide provided by dpkg - ati one-liner). Could someone help me ? |
| 12:52.46 | tymonn | hoxu: without |
| 12:52.46 | Jemt | ATI drivers* |
| 12:52.49 | dutchfish | hoxu, its all over in your logs |
| 12:52.52 | hoxu | tymonn, see my question above, also, the script that saves time back to hardware clock is /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 12:53.18 | hoxu | tymonn, it's a bug depending on who you ask... you probably need to add that --directisa somewhere in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
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| 12:53.51 | sharu_khan | i've completly removed apache. now i've installed apache manually but without results |
| 12:54.00 | hoxu | tymonn, like near where it says "Saving the system clock" |
| 12:54.06 | sharu_khan | how can i get it back? |
| 12:54.26 | hoxu | sharu_khan, define "without results" |
| 12:54.34 | trifler | Is seamonkey gtk, qt or something of its own? |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | sharu_khan: get what back? if you used the source packages .. ask #apache how you screwed it up .. otherwise use debian packages |
| 12:54.55 | sharu_khan | which packages? |
| 12:55.00 | sharu_khan | apache and apache2 ? |
| 12:55.52 | dutchfish | hoxu, hwclock does work for me but in my (lenny amd64) there is in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh references to adjtimex failing |
| 12:56.06 | sharu_khan | Because I've deleted everything... . /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 ... now i can't re-install :( |
| 12:56.20 | hoxu | dutchfish, I'm afraid I can't help with that :p |
| 12:56.21 | abrotman | reinstall WHAT? |
| 12:56.29 | tymonn | hoxu: the --directisa didnt return anything, is it a good sign? |
| 12:56.33 | abrotman | sharu_khan: are you using the source packages (tar.gz) from apache.org ? |
| 12:56.34 | sharu_khan | Apache of course |
| 12:56.40 | sharu_khan | Yes, i did. |
| 12:56.55 | sharu_khan | I Compiled it 2 minutes ago. |
| 12:56.58 | abrotman | then ask them ... Debian uses packages .. if you want to use the source .. ask them |
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| 12:57.14 | sharu_khan | Okay. Which packages should i use? |
| 12:57.19 | sharu_khan | apt-get install apache ? |
| 12:57.21 | hoxu | tymonn, usually yes, try hwclock --show (with --directisa if needed) |
| 12:57.37 | Bushmills | sharu_khan: apache2 preferred |
| 12:57.39 | dutchfish | hoxu, could you be so nice and run apt-file search adjtime on yours? |
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| 12:57.50 | sharu_khan | okay. I#ll try it again. |
| 12:58.10 | ivan_w | Bushmills: FYI : apache2 is broken in sid ATM |
| 12:58.19 | Bushmills | apache will - i think - not be supported with next stable anymore. |
| 12:58.24 | ivan_w | Bushmills: on some archs |
| 12:58.28 | bj1 | i want to install something, it has a bunch of c, h, and sh, how do i do it? |
| 12:58.32 | Bushmills | ivan_w: i don't assume he runs sid |
| 12:58.35 | hoxu | dutchfish, ajdtimex package perhaps? |
| 12:58.42 | ivan_w | Bushmills: true |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | ivan_w: it's sid .. that's implied .. if he's running sid he should understand that might happen |
| 12:58.54 | dutchfish | hoxu, yep, so thats the one thats missing in lenny amd64 |
| 12:59.09 | ivan_w | abrotman: I'm with you |
| 12:59.18 | Bushmills | if he said he did (run sid) i missed that |
| 13:00.08 | sharu_khan | why apache won't be supported with next stable? |
| 13:00.08 | dutchfish | !info adjtimex lenny |
| 13:00.08 | ivan_w | Bushmills: I don't think he said that.. it was just a heads up in case he did.. that's all ;) |
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| 13:00.08 | Bushmills | sharu_khan: faded out, replaced against apache2 |
| 13:00.30 | bj1 | i want to install something, it has a bunch of c, h, and sh, how do i do it? |
| 13:00.43 | sharu_khan | bj1 |
| 13:00.45 | sharu_khan | make |
| 13:00.47 | sharu_khan | make install |
| 13:00.48 | sharu_khan | :) |
| 13:00.56 | humbolt | Dewi: Is it possible to use gddrescue to recover a directory recursively? It does not seem to work |
| 13:01.01 | dutchfish | Package 'adjtimex' does not exist. |
| 13:01.27 | jakub | hi, i need help with vpn |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | bj1: there should be an INSTALL or README ..try reading it |
| 13:01.59 | sharu_khan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.03 | sharu_khan | This is what I get |
| 13:02.09 | Bushmills | jakub: that's nice for you |
| 13:02.13 | sharu_khan | O sorry, not this... . |
| 13:02.13 | bj1 | nah, there is a makefile, the rest are all s, sh, c |
| 13:02.22 | abrotman | bj1: what is it ? |
| 13:02.25 | jakub | i have GPRS and i need to have very optimal VPN for GPRS |
| 13:02.33 | bj1 | abrotman: wbcam drivers |
| 13:02.36 | jakub | anyoe know how set vpn optimal ? |
| 13:02.44 | sharu_khan | apache: could not open document config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 13:02.45 | sharu_khan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.47 | joltcan | jakub: openvpn have compression. Or use port forward via ssh |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | did you try the webcam drivers already in Debian ? |
| 13:02.54 | abrotman | sharu_khan: touch /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 13:03.20 | bj1 | abrotman: i did the make, make install, that someone else reccomended, it diidnt error so i asusme it worked |
| 13:03.24 | sharu_khan | ls |
| 13:03.29 | joltcan | He would probably need some stuff inside the httpd.conf as well |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | bj1: okay and ? |
| 13:03.34 | JordiGH | What part of /etc/network/interfaces is what makes dhclient run at bootup? |
| 13:03.46 | abrotman | iface <interface> inet dhcp |
| 13:03.55 | dutchfish | hoxu, with the totally changed RTC in 2.6.26-rc6 we gona see alot of 'time' trouble |
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| 13:03.58 | JordiGH | Oh. |
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| 13:04.11 | bj1 | abrotman: now im going to install skype and test it |
| 13:04.12 | Bushmills | sharu_khan: did you remove the apache stuff manually? while debian package apache was still installed? |
| 13:04.19 | abrotman | bj1: okay .. you have fun now |
| 13:04.25 | sharu_khan | Yes! Everything manually :( |
| 13:04.45 | Bushmills | sharu_khan: that's a problem. |
| 13:04.49 | sharu_khan | Bushmills: Stopped service --> deleted folders: /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 |
| 13:04.53 | sharu_khan | :( |
| 13:05.02 | hoxu | dutchfish, ouch, thanks for the warning |
| 13:05.15 | Bushmills | sharu_khan: try to apt-get --reinstall apache, then purge it |
| 13:05.22 | dutchfish | hoxu, /dev/rtc is gone |
| 13:05.25 | sharu_khan | I thought on this way I get back the defauls :S |
| 13:05.27 | Bushmills | then apt-get install apache2 |
| 13:05.36 | jakub | opevnpn |
| 13:05.49 | hoxu | dutchfish, uhhuh, no emulation or anything for backwards compatibility? |
| 13:06.14 | dutchfish | hoxu, there will be, but they fighting with HPET and RTC_IRQ |
| 13:06.32 | JordiGH | Hrm. The network-manager applet won't see my WPA network (on etch), but it sees others. |
| 13:06.32 | sharu_khan | hey bushmills: apt-get --reinstall apache does not work |
| 13:06.51 | dutchfish | hoxu, negetive time warping effects so to speak |
| 13:07.16 | Bushmills | ehm .. apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 13:07.20 | dutchfish | hoxu, emlutation is still there |
| 13:07.35 | hoxu | dutchfish, good |
| 13:07.38 | sharu_khan | bushmills: Ah! Thanks :) |
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| 13:08.24 | dutchfish | hoxu, but it all boils down to RT and HPET |
| 13:08.41 | dutchfish | hoxu, exciting times |
| 13:09.31 | geneven | where's a good place to ask about wireless setup? |
| 13:09.41 | JordiGH | Do I have to configure wpa in /etc/network/interfaces if network-manager is not seeing my WPA networks? |
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| 13:10.11 | geneven | bcm43xx |
| 13:10.31 | tabata | hi there I know this is not a debian related problem, but no one can't seem to know why clamav is broken on my system, in my mail.log, it is said that the socket for clamv can't be found |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | which distro is it? |
| 13:10.49 | dutchfish | hoxu, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330587 |
| 13:10.50 | tabata | actually the socket should be in /var/run/clamav but it is not |
| 13:11.09 | ivan_w | tabata: is clamd running ? |
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| 13:12.33 | sharu_kha1 | sorry...stupid isp :( |
| 13:12.42 | sharu_kha1 | bushmills: I get same old error messages :( |
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| 13:13.06 | tabata | ivan_w: yes it is |
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| 13:13.35 | Jemt_ | Does the 'ati' driver support Direct Rendering ? |
| 13:13.44 | Jemt | There |
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| 13:14.48 | Eulex | Jemt, yes, for older hardware. for newer hardware, it will redirect to the 'radeon' driver, which does dri for some chipsets. |
| 13:15.01 | ivan_w | tabata: what's the value of the LocalSocket configuration statement in your clamd.conf (presumably under /etc/clamav) ? |
| 13:15.14 | Jemt | Eulex: Oh, okay. How does I enable it? I got 'Load "dri"' in my xorg.conf |
| 13:15.22 | Jemt | How do* |
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| 13:15.31 | tabata | LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
| 13:15.36 | tabata | ivan_w: ^^ |
| 13:15.52 | ivan_w | tabata: ok.. can the user running clamd create files in that directory ? |
| 13:16.00 | Eulex | Jemt, what cardP |
| 13:16.03 | Eulex | ? |
| 13:16.19 | Jemt | Eulex: Radeon Mobility M6 (from: lspci | grep VGA) |
| 13:16.23 | Jemt | That's all I know |
| 13:17.26 | ivan_w | tabata: if the file exists, make sure the client attempting to communicate with clamd has that same file name specified as the unix socket to communicate with clamd |
| 13:17.27 | tabata | ivan_w: yes I thought about it but this is not the prob |
| 13:17.57 | Eulex | Jemt, that's r200-based and 9250-similar, iirc |
| 13:17.59 | dutchfish | to use the new gcc i just can change the symlink in /usr/bin/gcc ? |
| 13:18.02 | Eulex | Jemt, and should work just fine. |
| 13:18.14 | Eulex | Jemt, if it doesn't, consult your Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:18.31 | Jemt | Eulex: Hm, "glxinfo | grep direct" states it dosn't |
| 13:18.32 | Jemt | Okay |
| 13:18.34 | Jemt | I will try that |
| 13:18.59 | dutchfish | Eulex, Xorg.0.log is now xorg.log in lennys latest |
| 13:19.05 | JordiGH | Hm, my lenny config files don't make any obvious mention of wpa_supplicant, yet everything works fine and I'm using a WPA network. |
| 13:19.08 | Jemt | Eulex: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable <= Is that useful ? |
| 13:19.19 | Eulex | Jemt, no, that's a symptom, not a cause |
| 13:19.25 | Jemt | Okay |
| 13:19.34 | JordiGH | Is something different in etch? Should I be messing around with WPA? |
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| 13:20.02 | Jemt | Eulex: I only got 4 errors: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM - (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable - (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device - (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware. - (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad" |
| 13:20.05 | wols | Jemt: check "glxinfo" |
| 13:20.13 | Jemt | wols: Okay |
| 13:20.24 | dutchfish | mesa-dri |
| 13:20.27 | wols | you must have direct rendering yes. which you probably don't |
| 13:20.38 | Jemt | wols: true, I don't |
| 13:20.39 | wols | the DRM error is probably fatal |
| 13:20.40 | Eulex | Jemt, note that (WW) and (II) can be useful too |
| 13:20.47 | Jemt | Eulex: Oh, okay |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | Jemt: are you using fglrx or ati/radeon now ? |
| 13:20.58 | Eulex | Jemt, in any case, the first error there is likely the cause |
| 13:21.08 | Eulex | abrotman, r200 support is dropped from fglrx. |
| 13:21.25 | abrotman | Eulex: that's why i'm asking him .. |
| 13:21.28 | Jemt | abrotman: Right now I'm using 'ati'. I do have the fglrx installed too though |
| 13:21.30 | bj1 | abrotman: i installed skype and it says i dont have a webcam, im in need of further help |
| 13:21.40 | abrotman | bj1: no one wants to see your ugly mug |
| 13:21.49 | bj1 | :( |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 13:21.51 | dpkg | i heard webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
| 13:21.58 | abrotman | i don't have a webcam ..can't help more |
| 13:22.00 | Eulex | Jemt, remove it |
| 13:22.32 | Jemt | Eulex: Okay. Might as well since it dosn't support my card :-/ |
| 13:22.40 | Eulex | Jemt, this is probably not caused by it, but it _will_ prevent you from getting dri. |
| 13:22.54 | Jemt | Eulex: Having the fglrx driver installed? |
| 13:22.56 | Eulex | or well, it might perhaps be the cause, if you've got its kernel module loaded |
| 13:23.06 | Eulex | Jemt, yes, that is enough. it replaces libGL.so |
| 13:23.27 | Jemt | Ah, I see. Will it be sufficient to do the following for the moment? modprobe -r fglrx |
| 13:23.42 | ivan_w | tabata: what program is complaining ? amavis ? |
| 13:23.52 | sharu_kha1 | hi eulex :) |
| 13:24.06 | wols | Jemt: http://paste2.org/p/39494 |
| 13:24.10 | Jemt | checking :) |
| 13:24.12 | wols | Jemt: dmesg | grep drm |
| 13:24.18 | Eulex | Jemt, I've had bad luck removing the fglrx module and then using the radeon driver right after |
| 13:24.19 | wols | not the paste. different thing |
| 13:24.27 | sharu_kha1 | how can i back the config files for apache? |
| 13:24.32 | Eulex | Jemt, but in any case, that won't be enough to get dri, it will fail after that |
| 13:24.39 | wols | sharu_kha1: I told you hours ago |
| 13:24.44 | Eulex | sharu_kha1, hello |
| 13:24.46 | Jemt | wols: Ah :p |
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| 13:24.50 | abrotman | !tell sharu_kha1 about confmiss |
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| 13:25.07 | wols | abrotman: I already did. hours ago. also told him about apache*-common |
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| 13:25.10 | MrBrush | I would like to set a variable which I can use in .bashrc, something like CURRENT, which I change each time I login |
| 13:25.13 | Jemt | Eulex: So I still have to remove it ? I installed the driver using apt-get. Removing the packages won't remove the actual module, will it ? |
| 13:25.15 | wols | Jemt: so what does the dmesg say? |
| 13:25.16 | MrBrush | Any idea how I can do that? |
| 13:25.25 | abrotman | MrBrush: wrong a script ? ask #bash ? |
| 13:25.28 | Jemt | wols: It comes back empty |
| 13:25.30 | wols | Jemt: dpkg -l|grep fglrx purge them all |
| 13:25.40 | Jemt | wols: Okay |
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| 13:25.47 | wols | Jemt: then ther is no drm module loaded in which case no 3D for you |
| 13:25.50 | Jemt | Ah, wait |
| 13:25.51 | Eulex | Jemt, if you remove the package containing the module... but well, it won't _unload_ the module, if that's what you're saying |
| 13:25.56 | Jemt | Think I did it wrong, wols |
| 13:26.21 | Jemt | wols: No, empty return value |
| 13:26.24 | wols | there is a "radeon.ko" is it loaded? |
| 13:26.33 | wols | modprobe it and check again |
| 13:26.43 | sharu_kha1 | hm... . |
| 13:26.46 | Jemt | Eulex: I guess that's what I did with modprobe -r (?) |
| 13:26.51 | Eulex | Jemt, you may try unloading the fglrx driver and loading the drm and radeon drivers manually |
| 13:26.52 | wols | Jemt: yes |
| 13:26.53 | Eulex | Jemt, it is |
| 13:26.55 | Jemt | wols: checking.. |
| 13:27.00 | Jemt | Okay |
| 13:27.03 | MrBrush | abrotman: ok |
| 13:27.28 | Eulex | Jemt, I've had bad luck with it though; you may need a reboot in some cases to use the free driver after having fglrx loaded. |
| 13:27.36 | Jemt | both drm and radeon are now loaded |
| 13:27.43 | wols | then retart X |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | MrBrush: erm .. write a script :) |
| 13:27.44 | Jemt | Oh, okay |
| 13:27.47 | wols | *restart |
| 13:27.48 | Jemt | BRB guys :) |
| 13:28.15 | wols | sharu_kha1: dpkg -l |grep apache |
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| 13:28.39 | sharu_kha1 | thank you wols |
| 13:28.41 | Jemt | I only restarted X - I'll try rebooting if this dosn't work |
| 13:29.06 | Jemt | glxinfo still states No direct rendering |
| 13:29.22 | Eulex | Jemt, consult your Xorg.0.log once again. |
| 13:29.25 | Jemt | Okay |
| 13:29.52 | Jemt | Oh, the DRM error is gone - that's something :) |
| 13:30.05 | wols | Jemt: dpkg -l |grep mesa |
| 13:30.18 | Jemt | Wow, got quite a few of these: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 |
| 13:30.22 | sharu_kha1 | !grep |
| 13:30.22 | dpkg | i heard grep is at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
| 13:30.27 | Eulex | Jemt, those are harmless |
| 13:30.39 | Jemt | okay |
| 13:30.44 | Jemt | wols: Pastebin'ing.. |
| 13:30.46 | Eulex | Jemt, but actually a good thing, as it shows that you have dri, at least server support |
| 13:30.56 | Jemt | Eulex: Great :) |
| 13:31.00 | Jemt | Getting there :) |
| 13:31.01 | sharu_kha1 | Okay I typed in dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 13:31.15 | sharu_kha1 | Now I get info's about some packeges. |
| 13:31.16 | wols | sharu_kha1: pastebin the output |
| 13:31.21 | sharu_kha1 | Okay. |
| 13:31.23 | Eulex | Jemt, pastebin LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo too |
| 13:31.38 | Jemt | Eulex: Okay |
| 13:32.11 | Jemt | wols: http://pastebin.com/d27048def |
| 13:32.16 | Jemt | Eulex: just a sec :) |
| 13:32.21 | sharu_kha1 | wols: http://pastebin.com/d7620b214 |
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| 13:32.40 | elitemind | how do you list packages by size in the terminal? |
| 13:32.46 | elitemind | big to small |
| 13:32.49 | wols | looks alright. now theck that fglrx didn't fsck up your libGL as Eulex said |
| 13:32.59 | Eulex | Jemt, ii libgl1-mesa-dri -- so you have r200_dri.so, great |
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| 13:33.06 | elitemind | shoot well i need to list the packages installed from largest to smallest |
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| 13:33.43 | Jemt | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/m5ecace0 |
| 13:33.44 | Jemt | There |
| 13:33.49 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 13:33.49 | dpkg | sort by size is probably perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 13:33.51 | Jemt | Eulex: Great :) |
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| 13:34.12 | wols | sharu_kha1: remove the two apache packages and reinstall the apache2.2-common via confmiss factoid |
| 13:34.41 | Jemt | Unfortunately I don't really understand the content of the last two commands |
| 13:34.49 | bj1 | do i have to be a specific directory to use make menuconfig |
| 13:34.49 | Jemt | The output rather |
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| 13:35.12 | abrotman | bj1: you're building a whole kernel ? |
| 13:35.28 | Eulex | Jemt, it is very likely caused by fglrx's libGL.so. |
| 13:35.31 | sharu_kha1 | apache2.2-common via confmiss factoid? |
| 13:35.47 | Jemt | Eulex: Okay. Removing the fglrx driver should solve it ? |
| 13:35.54 | Eulex | Jemt, yes. |
| 13:35.55 | wols | Jemt: reinstall the mesa packages |
| 13:35.58 | Jemt | Great |
| 13:36.03 | Jemt | wols: Okay |
| 13:36.04 | sharu_kha1 | apt-get remove apache & apt-get remove apache2? |
| 13:36.07 | wols | Jemt: to overwrite any lingering stuff |
| 13:36.23 | wols | sharu_kha1: NO |
| 13:36.23 | bj1 | abrotman: something im reading said i need to do that and add video4linux or somehting |
| 13:36.26 | Eulex | sharu_kha1, have you read what dpkg has told you? |
| 13:36.38 | Jemt | wols: What 'mesa' packages exactly? Not completely sure what you mean |
| 13:36.40 | sharu_kha1 | I do not really understand dpkg.. . |
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| 13:36.45 | Eulex | !confmiss |
| 13:36.45 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:36.49 | wols | Jemt: dpkg -l|grep mesa those :) |
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| 13:36.52 | abrotman | bj1: uh .. no |
| 13:36.57 | Jemt | wols: Ah, thanks :) |
| 13:37.16 | bj1 | abrotman: i guess ill keep looking |
| 13:37.47 | wols | bj1: what is your webcam? what chip? |
| 13:37.47 | Eulex | sharu_kha1, there's even an almost complete command; just need to plug in the right package :) and wols has told you what package needs to be reinstalled. |
| 13:38.21 | sharu_kha1 | Okay... :) I'll try to find it :) |
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| 13:38.42 | Jemt | Eulex & wols: There, mesa packages reinstalled. Now, I still need to remove the fglrx, right? How did I find the packages which needs to be removed ? |
| 13:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out on a system without any UI, why its eth0 doesnt come up?? |
| 13:38.53 | elitemind | anyone know how to list packages installed from largest to smallest? |
| 13:38.57 | bj1 | wols: its on here, model VF0270 http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html |
| 13:38.58 | Eulex | Jemt, grep the output of dpkg -l, as before |
| 13:39.10 | Jemt | Eulex: Grep on what? fglrx ? |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 13:39.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 13:39.16 | Eulex | Jemt, yeah |
| 13:39.17 | abrotman | elitemind: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 13:39.19 | JordiGH | Without an UI? What do you mean? You can't even access the system? |
| 13:39.20 | Jemt | Goodie :) |
| 13:39.20 | elitemind | thanks |
| 13:39.29 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP: ^^ |
| 13:39.33 | wols | Jemt: I told you ages ago. you should remove fglrx THEN reinstall mesa stuff |
| 13:39.38 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, serial console ? |
| 13:39.47 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, not available, only the disk |
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| 13:39.52 | Jemt | wols: Ah, sorry. I took the reverse direction :p |
| 13:39.56 | elitemind | right on |
| 13:39.56 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, NSLU2 |
| 13:40.00 | HardDisk_WP | small NAS^^ |
| 13:40.01 | Jemt | wols: I'll correct the error. hold on :) |
| 13:40.16 | wols | Jemt: step one: make sure NO fglrx stuff is on disk. step 2: make sure all mesa stuff is by reinstalling it |
| 13:40.23 | Eulex | wols, if he has used the debian fglrx packages, I believe removing them will just do, as it will reset the libGL diversion to use the mesa one... |
| 13:40.24 | wols | purge the fglrx packages |
| 13:40.26 | JordiGH | !wtf nslu2 |
| 13:40.27 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what nslu2 means... |
| 13:40.29 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, serial over usb ;) |
| 13:40.37 | Jemt | wols: Got it :) |
| 13:40.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: google ? |
| 13:40.40 | wols | Eulex: yes, I agree but better to be safe than sorry :) |
| 13:40.47 | Eulex | true |
| 13:40.49 | sharu_kha1 | apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache |
| 13:40.50 | wols | Jemt: a NAS from linksys |
| 13:40.52 | sharu_kha1 | Is it that? |
| 13:40.53 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, yeah, but no second one |
| 13:41.02 | HardDisk_WP | i only have one usb2serial^^ |
| 13:41.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: Wikipedia. :-) |
| 13:41.07 | wols | sharu_kha1:NO. I explictly told you twice now what to reinstall |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | !slug |
| 13:41.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See htt://www.slug.org.au/ for further details. on #slug on irc.freenode.net. a slang term for the Linksys NSLU2, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port. A slang term for the Linksys NSLU2, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port. |
| 13:41.25 | HardDisk_WP | yes, this one |
| 13:41.28 | Ace2016 | i think my cpu (turion) is overheating |
| 13:41.30 | sharu_kha1 | wols: I'm sorry... |
| 13:41.40 | HardDisk_WP | but where in the logs can I find out what happens with eth0? |
| 13:41.42 | Ace2016 | how can i check its status, i'm using sensors to check the temperature |
| 13:41.55 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, get a better cooler ;) |
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| 13:42.01 | Ace2016 | its a laptop |
| 13:42.03 | wols | Ace2016: "sensors" |
| 13:42.08 | HardDisk_WP | !sensors |
| 13:42.08 | dpkg | i heard lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net |
| 13:42.17 | Ace2016 | wols: i said i'm using sensors to check the temperature |
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| 13:42.27 | dutchfish | fanspeed |
| 13:42.29 | wols | HardDisk_WP: kernel log. see dmesg |
| 13:42.40 | wols | Ace2016: then why do you ask how to check it? |
| 13:42.44 | Ace2016 | what can tell me if my cpu is slowing down to stop overheating? |
| 13:42.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols, dmesg without console access?^ |
| 13:42.56 | wols | HardDisk_WP: ssh? you need a terminal |
| 13:43.04 | wols | HardDisk_WP: or set up remote syslog or such |
| 13:43.08 | HardDisk_WP | wols, the thing doesn't have network |
| 13:43.13 | HardDisk_WP | that is what I want to debug |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | Ace2016: fingers .. very heat sensitive |
| 13:43.22 | wols | HardDisk_WP: a NAS without network is a funny thing.... |
| 13:43.32 | wols | then you redo your firmware uploading until you get it right |
| 13:43.37 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, only thing i can see is, setup debug logging, boot, shutdown, take hd to other station, mount, inspect logs |
| 13:43.42 | HardDisk_WP | I didnt brick the firmware.... |
| 13:43.49 | HardDisk_WP | wols, I only bricked the network config |
| 13:43.53 | wols | Ace2016: it's current core temp |
| 13:43.53 | HardDisk_WP | the thing boots OK |
| 13:43.59 | bj1 | how do i get a /dev/video0, it dosnt exist on my system |
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| 13:44.09 | wols | HardDisk_WP: then you change said config until you get it right |
| 13:44.09 | Jemt | wols & Eulex: There, all fglrx related packages purged and all mesa packages reinstalled. I'll try restarting X in a bit |
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| 13:44.22 | wols | bj1: v4l. by loading a driver for your webcam |
| 13:44.23 | Eulex | Jemt, you probably don't need to |
| 13:44.24 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to see if its overheating, so the best way should be to see if the cpu slowing down to avoid overheating since i'm guessing it'll slow down before it goes into the critical temperature range |
| 13:44.28 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, ok...how do I set up debug logging? |
| 13:44.31 | Jemt | Eulex: Okay, cool :) |
| 13:44.38 | Eulex | Jemt, just try glxinfo again |
| 13:44.39 | Ace2016 | 78*C and 77*C |
| 13:44.42 | Jemt | Woho! |
| 13:44.50 | Jemt | I got Direct Rendering ! :) |
| 13:44.51 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, kline |
| 13:44.53 | wols | Ace2016: then look up thermal specs from amd |
| 13:44.57 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 13:44.59 | Jemt | Eulex & wols : You guys are awesome! |
| 13:45.03 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, this is WAY TOO HOT |
| 13:45.11 | Ace2016 | but it should never get too hot, would it not slow down? |
| 13:45.14 | wols | HardDisk_WP: this is a laptop.... |
| 13:45.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: do you even know what kind of CPU it is? |
| 13:45.29 | HardDisk_WP | wols, and? mine has ~53 °C... |
| 13:45.36 | abrotman | -53!! woohoo |
| 13:45.37 | Eulex | Jemt, hehe, yw :) |
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| 13:45.40 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, a turion, he stated above |
| 13:45.44 | wols | HardDisk_WP: if you don't have a clue, beter don't type. please |
| 13:45.49 | Jemt | :) |
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| 13:46.19 | wols | I have a desktop replacement barton in a desktop and it runs at 80° for ages. for years now |
| 13:46.24 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, ? |
| 13:46.27 | wols | at least under load, especially in summer |
| 13:46.39 | wols | abrotman: ~ not minus |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | C or F ? |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | wols: joke ? |
| 13:46.57 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, a desktop...but a notebook at 80°C...you could cook eggs on it |
| 13:47.00 | wols | C: I'm european. and no joke |
| 13:47.11 | wols | in summer i regularly hit 80 under load |
| 13:47.14 | HardDisk_WP | o_O |
| 13:47.18 | wols | winter it's about 75 :P |
| 13:47.24 | HardDisk_WP | Lol... |
| 13:47.34 | wols | and bartons have no thermal throttling |
| 13:47.37 | HardDisk_WP | had an 3200+ and even unter fullest gaming load it never exceeded 65 |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | but your GPU temp ? |
| 13:47.49 | wols | different CPUs are different |
| 13:48.07 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf |
| 13:48.11 | tabata | is it possible to launch all daily cron now |
| 13:48.23 | wols | tabata: probably use anacron |
| 13:48.44 | tabata | not installed, should I |
| 13:48.56 | dvs | tabata: if you don't run your computer all the time |
| 13:48.56 | Ace2016 | it doesn't give a maximum temperature, only says: Wattage 33 W |
| 13:49.06 | Ace2016 | TL-56 |
| 13:49.13 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, page 90 and on |
| 13:49.20 | tabata | dvs: what do you mean it is always on |
| 13:49.28 | dvs | tabata: one 24/7 |
| 13:49.31 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, or wait...it states serial console...usbtty's |
| 13:49.32 | dvs | on 24/7 |
| 13:49.36 | wols | tabata: a 24/7 running PC |
| 13:49.41 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, i'll use this one and a truly hacked NAS |
| 13:50.19 | HardDisk_WP | all6200, you wouldn't recognize it as a NAS anymore with that much HW modding as I did :p |
| 13:50.21 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, at takes some reading yes ;) |
| 13:50.52 | Ace2016 | but the system is at max cpu |
| 13:51.09 | tabata | dvs, wolf, yes it is a 24/7 running pc |
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| 13:51.20 | tabata | so I should not use anacron ? |
| 13:51.21 | WormFood | is there an http downloader in debian (or even one that is not in debian), that can open multiple connections to the same server for the same file, to download faster (yes, I know that does not make a whole lot of sense, but in my case, it will help) |
| 13:51.28 | dvs | tabata: correct |
| 13:51.34 | buntfalke | Can anyone recommend an easy to use project management software for kde/qt? taskjuggler is essentially not GUI and kplato is kind of hard to use... |
| 13:51.36 | dvs | tabata: you still have but you dont have to |
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| 13:51.40 | psilocyb1n | do i need some extra support in kernel for using pure bridged mode of my router? my comp is not routing, but i have that lil box that routes. it did work with just dhcp before, but now have some prob with configing it. :( |
| 13:51.42 | tabata | :) |
| 13:51.50 | abrotman | WormFood: wget and a script |
| 13:52.22 | wols | psilocyb1n: does your ISP use PPPoE (username + password)? |
| 13:52.30 | WormFood | abrotman, do you have said script? |
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| 13:52.38 | tabata | i am lost, all I wanted is to run the daily.cron, because I know it reports an error that I don't have at hand right now, but never mind I will look for previous report |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | no why would i? |
| 13:52.52 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, oh shit...i forgot...i cant influence kernel boot parameters |
| 13:52.53 | psilocyb1n | no |
| 13:53.00 | wols | tabata: you got a mail about it |
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| 13:53.05 | WormFood | if I wanted to script wget to do that, I wouldn't be asking here....no point in reinventing the wheel, if someone has already done it before me |
| 13:53.08 | psilocyb1n | 1493 bidged ip llc it does |
| 13:53.10 | psilocyb1n | my isp |
| 13:53.11 | psilocyb1n | i mean |
| 13:53.16 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, so I need something out of the logs...what are the log files regarding network? |
| 13:53.21 | wols | psilocyb1n: huh? |
| 13:53.22 | tabata | wols: yes I have it: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 13:53.22 | tabata | error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log |
| 13:53.22 | tabata | /var/log/mysql/mysql.log /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log |
| 13:53.22 | tabata | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
| 13:53.23 | abrotman | WormFood: so you want to be lazy and have me write it ? |
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| 13:53.30 | psilocyb1n | i have configed it, and worked fine, but i touched router settings, and it's again messed up |
| 13:53.34 | psilocyb1n | the prob is in router |
| 13:53.37 | psilocyb1n | actually |
| 13:53.40 | psilocyb1n | but i just wondered |
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| 13:53.43 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, not network but prolly syslog |
| 13:53.48 | wols | psilocyb1n: then why do you ask in #debian? |
| 13:53.59 | WormFood | abrotman, I'm looking for a handout....and you offered no help :P |
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| 13:54.33 | psilocyb1n | just in case. :) |
| 13:54.34 | tabata | sorry wols but got my error with cron that I don't manage to locate |
| 13:54.37 | abrotman | WormFood: for i in $(cat urllist.txt); do wget $i & ; done .. or some such crap .. enjoy your maybe working freebie |
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| 13:54.50 | wols | tabata: I just told you, you got a mail about it. on your PC |
| 13:55.03 | wols | if cron fails it sends a mail with all the output it managed to get |
| 13:55.04 | WormFood | abrotman, you were the one who said you have a script |
| 13:55.15 | wols | WormFood: no he did not |
| 13:55.34 | dutchfish | WormFood, hint: puf |
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| 13:55.47 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, the only thing in syslog is eth0: MII PHY1 on NPE-B |
| 13:56.00 | tabata | wols: yes I understand and the content of this email is the one I have pasted here |
| 13:56.04 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, does it come up? get it loaded? |
| 13:56.07 | WormFood | abrotman, pay attention to what I asked for. That is not even remotely what I want (I your type of scripting in my sleep) |
| 13:56.16 | tabata | should I paste it again on a appropriate channel ? |
| 13:56.20 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, it does not come up, that is the problem... |
| 13:56.28 | HardDisk_WP | but the machine itself does |
| 13:56.29 | WormFood | I want to open multiple connections to download the same file |
| 13:56.40 | wols | tabata: cron won't know anything else. just rerun the script manually |
| 13:57.21 | WormFood | thanks dutchfish, that sounds like what I want....couldn't find it in my apt-get search queries |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | WormFood: filezilla ? |
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| 13:57.41 | WormFood | I never thought to search for "fetcher"....why couldn't they use the word "downloader"? |
| 13:58.08 | dutchfish | !tell WormFood about search |
| 13:58.35 | tabata | wols: and that was my initial question how do I run it manually |
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| 13:59.33 | WormFood | I know how to search, but if the packages I'm searching for are not connected to a keyword that I expect, I'd have no hope in hell of finding the right package |
| 13:59.43 | tabata | wols: I do /etc/cron.daily/logrotate but it does not ouput anything |
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| 14:00.32 | wols | tabata: there is nothing to rotate of course |
| 14:00.34 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 14:00.51 | WormFood | once again, puf is not what I want, even tho the description sounds like it |
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| 14:01.15 | blahblahx | how |
| 14:01.18 | b_jonas | if I want to make a full backup of my debian system I can restore in case eg. a hard disk crash, do I have to save the original contents of /dev before the mounting? |
| 14:01.18 | tabata | wols: I am lost |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | b_jonas: no |
| 14:01.30 | WormFood | I want a downloader, that will open 5-10 connections to the same server to download the same file |
| 14:01.36 | dutchfish | WormFood, if you are on gnome, do yourself a favor and install packagesearch |
| 14:01.44 | blahblahx | how do i purge the packages that deborphan shows to me? |
| 14:01.50 | dutchfish | WormFood, there is a ton of tools out there |
| 14:01.50 | WormFood | I want each connection to download a different piece of the whole file |
| 14:01.56 | asg | blahblahx: dpkg -P |
| 14:01.59 | abrotman | blahblahx: dpkg -P |
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| 14:02.01 | tabata | wols: just in case you want to see the email I receive everymorning http://pastebin.com/m59ca81fe |
| 14:02.11 | abrotman | asg: someone just said that 2 seconds ago |
| 14:02.18 | dutchfish | brb |
| 14:02.19 | sharu_kha1 | okay wolls |
| 14:02.19 | sharu_kha1 | wols |
| 14:02.19 | sharu_kha1 | sorry |
| 14:02.19 | sharu_kha1 | could please one last time say what is to do? |
| 14:02.19 | *** kick/#debian [sharu_kha1!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 14:02.25 | asg | abrotman: yes, me :-P |
| 14:02.27 | WormFood | how is that going to help me find the tool I want? I have searched for the reasonable things, and I can't find a tool to do what I want....I was hoping one of you guys would know, but instead you're giving me shit |
| 14:02.39 | blahblahx | asg: so that takes the packages that deborphan is listing and apt-get purges them? |
| 14:02.40 | WormFood | just forget I asked |
| 14:02.40 | WormFood | god damn! |
| 14:02.49 | bj1 | whats it mean when i try to do a make, and it says warning: could not open /example/example.h: invalid argument? |
| 14:03.02 | blahblahx | WormFood: what is the tool you wanted? |
| 14:03.05 | b_jonas | abrotman: how would linux even boot without /dev/console? |
| 14:03.16 | b_jonas | abrotman: oh, I forgot to say that I'm not using an initrd |
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| 14:03.32 | b_jonas | am booting with a vanilla kernel directly to the root filesystem |
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| 14:03.36 | b_jonas | what about in that case? |
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| 14:03.58 | WormFood | blahblahx, I want something that will download a single file, with multiple connections to the server. Each connection download a different piece of the total file |
| 14:04.07 | asg | blahblahx: deborphan | xargs dpkg -P |
| 14:04.09 | abrotman | b_jonas: but you are using udev ? |
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| 14:04.26 | blahblahx | WormFood: you mean like bittorent? |
| 14:04.28 | WormFood | I know they have that type of tool for windows....I figured someone would have written a similar program for Linux |
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| 14:04.34 | b_jonas | abrotman: how can I tell that? |
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| 14:05.01 | abrotman | is it installed?> |
| 14:05.04 | WormFood | blahblahx, yeah, sorta like that, download one file off one server |
| 14:05.39 | blahblahx | WormFood: so you want a recomendation of a good bittorent client? or something else? |
| 14:05.51 | WormFood | my problem is, torrents are incredibly slow for me (and it is not the torrent I'm downloading either), so I download what I want to my server, and wget it....but a single connection to my server is incredibly slow |
| 14:06.14 | WormFood | why is what I want so hard for anyone to understand? |
| 14:06.14 | WormFood | am I not making myself clear? |
| 14:06.26 | WormFood | I have a good bit torrent client |
| 14:06.33 | b_jonas | b_jonas: 'udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)' says mount, so I think I am |
| 14:06.52 | WormFood | I'm not trying to download something via bittorrent, I'm trying to download something via http |
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| 14:07.07 | WormFood | if I can open 1/2 dozen connections to my server, it would download this file about 6 times faster |
| 14:07.17 | Jemt | Wow, I got Compiz to run on Debian, now that I got Direct Rendering support :D |
| 14:07.27 | blahblahx | WormFood: got it. |
| 14:07.38 | asg | WormFood: if you have hit the limit of your connection, multiple simultaneous downloads won't help. If the upstream server is limiting the bandwidth, they will likely be doing it per IP so it won't matter how many connections you open. |
| 14:07.38 | Jemt | BRB, shopping |
| 14:07.49 | blahblahx | WormFood: if there is a tool on windows, can't you run that in wine? |
| 14:08.02 | b_jonas | abrotman: and yes, the 'udev' package is installed |
| 14:08.02 | WormFood | asg, that is not the case |
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| 14:08.25 | WormFood | god damn! do you think I'm stupid? I know what the problem is...it is my ISP, not the server |
| 14:08.31 | b_jonas | abrotman: also, udevd is running, so I guess I am running udev |
| 14:08.33 | asg | WormFood: then you should be able to saturate your full bandwidth with a single download |
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| 14:08.43 | abrotman | blames the chinese |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | b_jonas: udev recreates the contents of /dev/ on boot |
| 14:09.10 | asg | abrotman: I blame Nortel |
| 14:09.15 | WormFood | asg, I guarantee you multiple connections WILL help...I know...I've done it before (mutliple files off the same server) |
| 14:09.15 | WormFood | asg, IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT |
| 14:09.15 | WormFood | I wished it did |
| 14:09.19 | b_jonas | abrotman: yep, but I think linux needs some initial /dev before it can start udev |
| 14:09.26 | ggeecko | i just installed vmware-server, how do I access it |
| 14:09.32 | dutchfish | got latest radeonhd from the git compiled with 4.3 and running |
| 14:09.34 | b_jonas | it needs /dev/console at least to start init |
| 14:09.35 | WormFood | I'm not even close to saturation my download |
| 14:09.35 | WormFood | yes, I blame the shit chinese ISP |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | WormFood: so you're saying your ISP limits each http connection instead of your aggregate bandwidth ? |
| 14:09.45 | WormFood | everyone in Shenzhen I know, has shit download speeds |
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| 14:10.10 | b_jonas | I'm confused by all this dev stuff: the old devfs, udev, hald, sysfs, extended device numbers |
| 14:10.14 | WormFood | abrotman, it appears that way....that is the only thing I can think of, because that is how it appears to work |
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| 14:11.01 | WormFood | I download 1 file off my server at about 5-6k/s, but I can download 3 files, each with about 5-6k/s |
| 14:11.14 | WormFood | for a total of 15-18k/s |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | you need a shotgun modem! :) |
| 14:12.01 | blahblahx | oh my god 5k/s! i have 15mb/s |
| 14:12.02 | WormFood | multiple dsl "modems" |
| 14:12.04 | blahblahx | :) |
| 14:12.07 | Andreas_A | I download at 12.5MiB/s |
| 14:12.12 | WormFood | now after about 2am, I do notice a big speed improvement |
| 14:12.32 | blahblahx | hahah i have 15mb/s Andreas_A . Looks like i win |
| 14:13.07 | blahblahx | Andreas_A: although the thing about fast download speeds is that most public servers don't actually let you download at that rate. |
| 14:13.12 | WormFood | I just don't want to spend 2-4 days to download 1 file off my server |
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| 14:13.39 | WormFood | I downloaded the file (from a torrent) to my server in about 2 hours (and shared the file out to a 4+ ratio, in under 3 hours) |
| 14:13.41 | Andreas_A | blahblahx: Heh true. |
| 14:13.49 | Andreas_A | But it's nice for torrents. |
| 14:14.10 | eivindu | anyone know whats up with people.debian.org? can't install flashplayer-nonfree while it's down |
| 14:15.17 | b_jonas | abrotman: I guess I will make a copy of the original /dev, but I'll boot another system for it because I don't think umounting it while the same system is running (in single-user) would be a wise thing |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | uh no |
| 14:15.32 | WormFood | so....back to my original question.....is there any tool like what I need for Linux? |
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| 14:15.59 | asg | eivindu: /msg dpkg debian machines (you can check the status via links in that factoid) |
| 14:16.02 | blahblahx | WormFood: have you tried using the windows one in wine? |
| 14:16.21 | abrotman | you could use 'split' on the server .. and then reconstruct yourself |
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| 14:16.28 | rodrigot | :o |
| 14:16.30 | rodrigot | _:o |
| 14:16.31 | rodrigot | :X |
| 14:16.33 | asg | eivindu: of course, if db. is down, that will cause aditional problems |
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| 14:16.36 | asg | rodrigot: stop it |
| 14:16.39 | rodrigot | ok |
| 14:16.44 | rodrigot | So paneleiros caralho |
| 14:16.45 | rodrigot | :| |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | !pt |
| 14:16.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 14:16.54 | asg | !br |
| 14:16.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:17.07 | sniff | hey |
| 14:17.08 | eivindu | asg: yup, seems db is down aswell |
| 14:17.11 | rodrigot | caralho |
| 14:17.11 | rodrigot | pa |
| 14:17.12 | rodrigot | fdx |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | rodrigot: STOP |
| 14:17.16 | rodrigot | putas de merda |
| 14:17.18 | rodrigot | e gajas? |
| 14:17.21 | rodrigot | so gordas? |
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| 14:17.25 | rodrigot | stop o caralho |
| 14:17.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 14:17.32 | blahblahx | where is the banstick? |
| 14:17.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@30.21.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] by abrotman |
| 14:17.34 | sniff | a website of ours got "defaced", by adding an index.html file. what could i do to find out where was it created from? |
| 14:17.38 | WormFood | no thanks, I'd live with my super slow downloads, before I start trying to run windows crap on linux (I can do it, I just have better things to do with my time) |
| 14:17.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 14:17.50 | asg | eivindu: yeah, since planet. is also down, I'd expect hardware failure somewhere. the debian-devel mailing list may know. |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | rodrigot: either speak english here, or go to #debian-pt |
| 14:18.33 | abrotman | asg: gluck, merkel, samosa, raff, &c (Debian HP Fort Collins) .. all missing |
| 14:18.42 | sniff | hmm |
| 14:18.42 | WormFood | sniff, unfortunately your question is easy, but the answer is not |
| 14:18.43 | asg | abrotman: *nod* |
| 14:18.56 | sniff | huh |
| 14:19.07 | WormFood | sniff, you need to take a close and careful look over your log files....if the intruder didn't have access to them, and erase their tracks |
| 14:19.39 | WormFood | sniff, how did the new index.html file get put there? |
| 14:19.39 | b_jonas | in fact, it would have been easier to do the whole backup creation from a live dvd system instead of this one |
| 14:19.42 | b_jonas | I guess I'll do that |
| 14:19.49 | sniff | WormFood thats my question |
| 14:20.30 | asg | sniff: do you run any dynamic content? i.e. php, cgi, etc? If so, that's often a good place to start. Also, if your packages are not up to date, there may be a remote vulnerability that was used. |
| 14:20.36 | WormFood | sniff, read what I just said, and pay attention |
| 14:20.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 14:20.46 | sniff | wait im on the phone |
| 14:20.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@30.21.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] by abrotman |
| 14:20.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 14:21.27 | sniff | asg: yes it's php, and im guessint thats how the file got created. thing is i can't find the "filename" in the apache logs |
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| 14:21.51 | wols | sniff: checked stuff like filename in hex or such? |
| 14:21.55 | WormFood | sniff, someone, somehow accessed your files....did they break into one of your user accounts? do they have root? did they exploit a server side script? until you know, you have no way to tell how the file got put there |
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| 14:22.23 | sniff | wols: would hex get parsed by apache as a regular string? |
| 14:22.32 | WormFood | sniff, if the intruder has rooted your box, then they have the ability to erase their tracks from your log files |
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| 14:22.59 | sniff | WormFood: since it had apache user right, it's a server side exploit in a specific script |
| 14:23.06 | joss | hi! |
| 14:23.06 | sniff | WormFood they did not |
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| 14:24.12 | WormFood | how do you know for sure? |
| 14:24.16 | eth01 | tar xvfj foofoo.tar.bz2 -- doesn't work? |
| 14:24.23 | sniff | since i can see tracks of a LAME hack |
| 14:24.28 | sniff | traces even |
| 14:24.35 | WormFood | just because the file has apache ownership, does not mean apache created the file |
| 14:24.46 | sniff | had they wanted to do some harm all the files would've been deleted |
| 14:24.53 | sniff | instead an index.htm was created |
| 14:25.01 | eth01 | it could have been edited in installation by apache itself. |
| 14:25.02 | WormFood | so, look at the traces and figure it out |
| 14:25.08 | eth01 | sometimes these scripts have that option tbh |
| 14:25.12 | sniff | WormFood: yes it does, unless they're trying to play mind games with me |
| 14:25.20 | eth01 | anyway, that command doesnt' work ^ ? |
| 14:25.27 | sniff | eth01 its not a script |
| 14:25.34 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, around? |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | no! |
| 14:25.40 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 14:25.44 | sniff | bzip2 -d file.bzip2? :s |
| 14:25.52 | WormFood | sniff, nobody can really help you with the slivers of information you have given us |
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| 14:26.13 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i want to turn ttyUSB0 into a console. how do i do this and how do I execute the command after the boot is complete? |
| 14:26.16 | sniff | WormFood: look, if you're gonna try and make a harder time for me, save it, i have work to do |
| 14:26.30 | sniff | anyone with any constructive ideas, i'll be happy to thank you |
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| 14:26.43 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: there's a serial console howto at tldp.org |
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| 14:27.20 | WormFood | sniff, you are making it hard for anyone to help you, because you have given us no real information |
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| 14:27.55 | sniff | i did not ask for help. i did ask for ideas, which wols did give |
| 14:28.38 | dutchfish | sniff, some thoughts: check your box if it got rooted, set up remote logging in the future, check php vulnarabilities of your version, compare output of phpinfo() to th eones in the past, check ssh exploit if on etch, check latest kernel |
| 14:28.43 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i mean, shouldn't it normally be just a getty call? |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: read the howto .. it really explains it |
| 14:29.05 | wols | mainly a inittab edit |
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| 14:29.45 | asg | sniff: you should also run a portscan from another machine to see if anything extra is listening as well as doing a packet capture to see if anything is leaking out that shouldn't. After that, isolate the machine and only use known good binaries (statically compiled on another machine) to continue your forensic analysis. |
| 14:29.47 | AlexW | Whats the comand to update apt-sources |
| 14:29.48 | dutchfish | sniff, and above all, triple check your logs, logdates |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | AlexW: aptitude update |
| 14:30.17 | sniff | dutchfish: hey, thanks. all packages were updated last week to lenny |
| 14:30.32 | AlexW | ahh, I meant like select whcih mirror you want, and it will update apt.conf |
| 14:30.37 | dutchfish | sniff, you running lenny on a production machine????? oucchhh |
| 14:30.40 | abrotman | netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 14:30.41 | sniff | asg: what could have leaked out? |
| 14:30.42 | wols | !tell AlexW about sources.list |
| 14:30.49 | sniff | dutchfish: i never said it's a production machine |
| 14:31.00 | sniff | its a dev box |
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| 14:31.08 | dutchfish | sniff, if it connects to net net you can consider as souch |
| 14:31.10 | asg | sniff: again, you can't assume the machine has been fully compromised to it's good to check if there is some C&C traffic originating from the machine |
| 14:31.28 | sniff | whats C&C? |
| 14:31.40 | asg | sniff: command and control ... remotes, bots, etc. |
| 14:31.50 | sniff | asg: oh. ok |
| 14:32.15 | AlexW | is apt-spy on ubuntu |
| 14:32.16 | sniff | dutchfish: i doubt that a simple web app defacement (its a publicly knowm CMS) being defaced should get me all worked up |
| 14:32.55 | dutchfish | sniff, it can take some time and hairpulling yes |
| 14:33.16 | dutchfish | sniff, your choice and a good lesson too |
| 14:33.24 | sniff | what? :s |
| 14:33.36 | asg | sniff: it may just be a simple defacement ... the defacement may also be a distraction to keep you from the real intrustion. Both are possible so it's worth checking. |
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| 14:34.29 | sniff | asg: i have some experience with the "other side" from long ago |
| 14:34.39 | sniff | i can call out "lamers" when i seethem :x |
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| 14:34.59 | asg | sniff: fair enough |
| 14:35.01 | dutchfish | sniff, then you shol dno better |
| 14:35.09 | dutchfish | should |
| 14:35.14 | sniff | and since i know the type of "political script kiddies" dont do much damages usually im not that worked up |
| 14:35.36 | sniff | dutchfish: yes, i actually do know that trusting any publicly know CMS isn't the best of ideas |
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| 14:35.45 | sniff | but i don't make the choices |
| 14:35.48 | LimCore | hello |
| 14:35.59 | LimCore | I almost forgotten another old password |
| 14:36.03 | Dewi | humbolt: gddrescue is meant to work on block devices... I've never thought of trying it on individual files |
| 14:36.14 | LimCore | how to generate possible passwords when I know more or less what was the password |
| 14:36.15 | dutchfish | sniff, i think asf might be right, maybe this is just a cover up for more, be paranoid |
| 14:36.19 | LimCore | like in: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20377/ |
| 14:36.31 | sniff | stop trying to stress me up |
| 14:36.35 | Dewi | humbolt: I guess everything is files, so it might be useful... but you would have to write your own wrapper to start doing many files, directory structures, etc |
| 14:36.37 | sniff | that box isn't all that important :| |
| 14:37.22 | sniff | i simply have a tad ego bruise :p; |
| 14:37.56 | dutchfish | sniff, its not ego, its simply sweat and common sense |
| 14:38.26 | sniff | man your not following me :x |
| 14:39.25 | dutchfish | sniff, i meant get over it, and either got to the botom of it or reinstall |
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| 14:40.20 | dutchfish | sniff, but for me i would like to know how and why (always) |
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| 14:40.55 | cy_ | hello.. is there an easy way to restore system permissions? |
| 14:41.03 | Superbartt | hmmfg, would it be possible to downgrade libcompizconfig0 to an older version so my compiz is working again? :x |
| 14:41.04 | cy_ | or reset them to default |
| 14:41.17 | sniff | dutchfish: yes im trying to find some info about those "hackers" |
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| 14:41.36 | b_jonas | I've rebooted to a knoppix live system now |
| 14:41.37 | sniff | http://www.cyber-warrior.org/Forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=13&TopicID=270629&PagePosition=&showActive=&ReturnPage=Active |
| 14:41.38 | sniff | see |
| 14:41.45 | sniff | told you they were the RFI idiots :x |
| 14:41.48 | b_jonas | that way I can save the original contents of dev easily |
| 14:41.55 | kanzure | I am having difficulties mounting an external hdd via usb. lsusb, usbview, and dmesg all indicate that it in fact exists. But I can't find the handler within /dev/ -- any suggestions? |
| 14:42.25 | dutchfish | sniff, irrilevant, they defeated your security thats the only point that mathers |
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| 14:42.29 | sniff | wols: are you there? |
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| 14:42.41 | sniff | dutchfish: my security? i didn't write that CMS |
| 14:42.47 | sniff | which, btw, had a hacking contest :> |
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| 14:43.20 | dutchfish | sniff, your are the admin right? so make it secure (next time) |
| 14:43.29 | sniff | well im trying to find it out |
| 14:43.43 | sniff | how would you encode a file name with hex? is it \xFF or %FF ? |
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| 14:47.13 | deltas6 | hey |
| 14:47.18 | deltas6 | anyone have a lenovo 3000 here? |
| 14:47.22 | CoB-pHoBoS | hi there, i'm having trouble to install nagios3: nagios3: Depends: nagios3-common (= 3.0.1-1~bpo40+1) but it is not installable |
| 14:47.33 | asg | Superbartt: possibly, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:47.39 | CoB-pHoBoS | in the repo is nagios3-common: Version: 3.0.2-1~bpo40+1 |
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| 14:47.59 | CoB-pHoBoS | why is there this conflict? how can i solve it? |
| 14:48.37 | dutchfish | CoB-pHoBoS, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nagios3 |
| 14:48.39 | asg | CoB-pHoBoS: 3.0.1-1 != 3.0.2-1 |
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| 14:49.07 | Ace2016 | hang on cpu is at 80*C |
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| 14:49.16 | asg | blow on it, really hard |
| 14:49.16 | Ace2016 | i'll reboot and see if sensors is right |
| 14:49.21 | CoB-pHoBoS | asg, i know, but why aren't there the same versions in the repo? |
| 14:49.35 | asg | CoB-pHoBoS: not sure, ask the backports.org people |
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| 14:50.52 | Superbartt | asg damn :( it's not there |
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| 14:54.56 | sniff | lol |
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| 14:55.03 | sniff | you guys gotta check this out! |
| 14:55.14 | sniff | from the injected html <meta name="generator" content="Web Page Maker V2 (unregistered version)"> |
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| 14:56.09 | fantomas_ | hi. Offtopic. are they going to continue Battlestar or it was the LAST eposide where ppl land earth?! :( |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:56.49 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:56.53 | asg | fantomas_: it is the last, edward james olmos need to be available for the Miami Vice return |
| 14:56.56 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 14:56.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 15:01.28 | fantomas_ | asg: (reading board on imdb.com, nice topic: "Did anyone think that Kara's Viper was the fifth Cylon?") :) |
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| 15:03.03 | azeem | fantomas_: euh, please keep it on topic |
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| 15:05.13 | hoxu | yeah, the other customers are bothered, can't you see it's a rush hour? |
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| 15:05.33 | rgr | I am getting "device full" errors from apt-get update. But its not telling me any more like which device or where. Can someone help? |
| 15:05.48 | hoxu | rgr, df -h? |
| 15:05.54 | abrotman | rgr: your harddrive? |
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| 15:06.58 | rgr | its telling me /dev/sda7 is mounted on / which has 0% availability. sda is an external drive isnt it? |
| 15:07.15 | dbmoodb | rgr: no it can be a sata / sas disk |
| 15:07.16 | JyZyXEL | or SATA |
| 15:07.16 | wols | no |
| 15:07.27 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:07.35 | abrotman | rgr: that's / |
| 15:07.37 | dbmoodb | oo sorry just checking i can send stuff |
| 15:07.56 | rgr | Hmm. Where would you recommend I clean up/look on / to try to free some space. I have no idea whats happened as I havent installed anything recently and my /home is a seperate partition- |
| 15:08.05 | wols | rgr: apt-get clean |
| 15:08.07 | abrotman | rgr: try an aptitude clean .. then try your install/upgrade again |
| 15:08.35 | rgr | nope. Tells me the package lists can not be parsed. |
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| 15:08.52 | hoxu | rgr, apt-get clean or what? |
| 15:08.56 | pasky | you might also wanna check /tmp and /var/tmp for stale big files unless you are using tmpfs for these |
| 15:09.01 | wols | cd /var/cache/apt/archives/;rm * |
| 15:09.01 | Led_Zeppelin | does anyone know a room for ext3 filesystem specifications? |
| 15:09.13 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: check wikipedia |
| 15:09.27 | aleksanteri | rgr, apt-get autoclean |
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| 15:10.10 | rgr | aleksanteri: same thing. can not parse. |
| 15:10.11 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: well, I been reading a lot of docs, but I need a person to explain some concepts such as stride. How does that affect LVM and stripe size setting on a block level. |
| 15:10.19 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm trying to get DRI support on a new computer, and I can't seem to remember how I got the 'dri' module installed. What package is it part of ? |
| 15:10.21 | abrotman | rgr: is there anything in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 15:10.33 | Jemt | wols & Eulex : Could one of you remind me ? |
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| 15:10.37 | asg | abrotman: may want to check to see if he ran out of inodes |
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| 15:10.45 | rgr | a directory called partial |
| 15:10.50 | Ashish | Hello people how r u? |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | that'd be an awful day |
| 15:10.53 | wols | Jemt: which dri module exactly? didn't we solve your 3D problem? |
| 15:10.53 | JyZyXEL | wols what would happen if you run that command on redhat? ;-D |
| 15:11.07 | abrotman | rgr: paste the output of `df -h && df -i` in a pastebin |
| 15:11.12 | wols | JyZyXEL: are we in #redhat? |
| 15:11.17 | JyZyXEL | :( |
| 15:11.21 | rgr | I get this now from apt-get autoclean : E: Error occurred while processing python-tagpy (NewVersion1) |
| 15:11.25 | Ashish | Is it possible to chat with yahoo contacts on opera? |
| 15:11.33 | abrotman | Ashish: ask #opera on irc.opera.com |
| 15:11.36 | wols | Ashish: ask opera.com |
| 15:11.39 | hoxu | wols, it's a point though, && would be preferable I guess ;) |
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| 15:11.40 | Jemt | wols, Yes, you did. But I'm trying a new install as I would like to know how to do it another day. When I do 'modprobe dri', I get this error: Module dri not found |
| 15:11.43 | aleksanteri | Ashish, not afaik |
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| 15:12.09 | wols | Jemt: ther is no dri module, there is a drm module and your kernel comes with it |
| 15:12.11 | sniff | Ashish maybe an online im client |
| 15:12.11 | sniff | ? |
| 15:12.20 | Jemt | wols, I reinstall a lot of computers for friends and family, and I would like to be able to set up Compiz for them :) |
| 15:12.29 | wols | Jemt: I just told you |
| 15:12.32 | Jemt | wols, Oh, yes, that soulds true |
| 15:12.36 | Jemt | sounds |
| 15:12.40 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 15:12.55 | rgr | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d3e8d574f |
| 15:13.05 | Jemt | BRB |
| 15:13.21 | abrotman | rgr: htf did you use up a 36GB / ? |
| 15:13.38 | abrotman | doing something as root apparently |
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| 15:13.49 | wols | abrotman: mail, log,... |
| 15:13.51 | elitemind | how do i shut down from a terminal |
| 15:13.52 | rgr | no idea! Just appeared as problem today when I tried to log on and do a sytsem update. |
| 15:13.59 | asg | girls gone wild colection? |
| 15:14.01 | wols | elitemind: man shutdown |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | rgr: rm /var/log/*.gz |
| 15:14.07 | elitemind | well shut down and restart |
| 15:14.07 | sniff | rgr do a "du -h --max-depth=1 /" |
| 15:14.11 | sniff | and see what eats up ur space |
| 15:14.13 | asg | elitemind: or restart |
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| 15:14.23 | abrotman | elitemind: reboot |
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| 15:14.27 | abrotman | shutdown -r |
| 15:14.27 | elitemind | thanks |
| 15:14.36 | elitemind | :) i just read |
| 15:14.39 | asg | man, I've wols spelling syndrome today |
| 15:14.49 | hoxu | rgr, "cd /; du -x --max-depth 3 |sort -n" or something |
| 15:15.18 | abrotman | asg: he can spell? |
| 15:15.30 | asg | abrotman: I can't it seems |
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| 15:15.57 | wols | abrotman: can != do |
| 15:16.05 | xushi | if i want to put a cgi script in my default installation of apache2, do i put it in /var/www/cgi-bin or /usr/lib/cgi-bin ? |
| 15:16.17 | hoxu | xushi, latter probably |
| 15:16.21 | xushi | thanks |
| 15:16.30 | abrotman | try them both! :) |
| 15:16.33 | xushi | erm, but how do i link to it in apache? |
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| 15:16.44 | xushi | i mean, what do i type in the url to access it? |
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| 15:16.56 | hoxu | xushi, look it up in the apache config, ScriptAlias or something, it's mapped to /cgi-bin |
| 15:16.58 | abrotman | host/cgi-bin/file.cgi typcially |
| 15:17.07 | elitemind | to restart shutdown -r to power off shutdown -P :P man pages are good if you know what to look for. |
| 15:17.10 | sniff | what other wait are there to encode post data other than url encode or mime or w/e? |
| 15:17.11 | xushi | what i needed to know.. thanks :) |
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| 15:17.24 | elitemind | aright guys i need to get some sleep see you tomorrow :) |
| 15:17.24 | hoxu | xushi, like /doc/ is mapped to /usr/share/doc for localhost |
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| 15:19.40 | xushi | yep that did the trick.. thanks! |
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| 15:20.48 | rgr | would it be ok to rm -rf /var/cache? |
| 15:21.06 | LimCore | rgr: not rly |
| 15:21.06 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:24.04 | abrotman | rgr: did you paste the output of any of the above commands for us to review ? |
| 15:24.15 | rgr | abrotman: still generating.#+ |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:24.50 | wols | rgr: you can rm the /var/cache/apt/archives/ (but not -rf) |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | he said it was empty |
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| 15:25.46 | rgr | yes, it is empty. |
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| 15:30.04 | Jemt | Hello again. I got Compiz to work thanks to wols' and Eulex's help with DRI. I got one problem remaining though: When maximizing windows, the border and titlebar disappears - there is just a white bar where they were supposed to be: http://powerzone.dk/screenshot.png - Any suggestions ? |
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| 15:30.23 | Jemt | Unmaximizing the window makes the border and titlebar appear again |
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| 15:35.28 | abrotman | wonders if Jemt has checked the BTS |
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| 15:35.36 | Jemt | BTS ? |
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| 15:35.42 | Jemt | !bts |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 15:35.48 | abrotman | !tell Jemt about msg the bot |
| 15:36.08 | Jemt | abrotman, Ah, no I havn't. But I'm googling it right now. A lot of people is expirencing this problem. Thanks for enlighting me though |
| 15:36.27 | abrotman | is glad to have enlightened |
| 15:36.31 | Jemt | :) |
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| 15:38.39 | cYmen | is it not weird, that the debian default config for exim accepts mail to daemons? i just found a 39M mailspool for www-data...with my new config using maildir s in home that get s a whole lot more fugly |
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| 15:39.13 | HardDisk_WP | what scripts are responsible for bringing up network at boot time? |
| 15:39.24 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 15:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, how can I debug them? My NAS (NSLU2) doesn't want to bring up network |
| 15:39.58 | HardDisk_WP | the only thing I have access to is the disk |
| 15:39.58 | xushi | bah, what do you do when you enable .htaccess with htpasswd, restart apache, and it still wont ask you for a password? |
| 15:40.10 | HardDisk_WP | xushi, forgot AllowOverride section? |
| 15:40.17 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: which really just runs "ifup -a" basically, to bring up all interfaces marked "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:40.34 | xushi | HardDisk_WP: hmm, i have that set to None, i guess it should be All |
| 15:40.48 | xushi | tanks :) |
| 15:40.51 | HardDisk_WP | meh|, if no one else has access to it, you can set to all |
| 15:41.04 | HardDisk_WP | sry meh| - damn tab comp |
| 15:41.30 | meh| | np dude :) |
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| 15:42.32 | Gruelius | If i need to reload a module how do i find out what is still using the audio hardware |
| 15:42.43 | Gruelius | from memory it was fuser /dev/dsp something but i dont even have that directory tree! |
| 15:42.56 | Wyzard | Gruelius: /dev/dsp is the legacy OSS device |
| 15:43.04 | Wyzard | Gruelius: The ALSA devices are in /dev/snd |
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| 15:43.28 | Gruelius | Wyzard: Thanks, its been a while! |
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| 15:44.33 | cahoot | Gruelius: you want to check both /dev/dsp and /dev/snd/* |
| 15:44.45 | Gruelius | was artsd |
| 15:45.02 | Gruelius | audio still doesnt work though!! I might try a bios update that worked for someone |
| 15:45.12 | vi3t_ | the boost version 1.34.1 is out, and i only got my list @ 1.33, why is that? i have updated with apt-get update |
| 15:45.17 | vi3t_ | but it doesnt seem to work |
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| 15:45.31 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ifacesew9.png is on my NSLU |
| 15:45.39 | Gruelius | Now to find a floppy disk... haha, are there any programs for linux that can update bios instead of making a floppy disk wih the programs on it? |
| 15:45.47 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: are you sure the NSLU2 boots at all? and did you replace the flaky original ethernet cable whit something more durable? |
| 15:45.52 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, what could be the reason that eth0 is down and how can I find out? |
| 15:45.59 | abrotman | Gruelius: depends on the BIOS |
| 15:46.04 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, yes, the ethernet cable is a brand new one, and it works |
| 15:46.08 | HardDisk_WP | and the NSLU2 boots |
| 15:46.17 | Gruelius | abrotman: i remember someone made a floppy disk image and then booted it |
| 15:46.18 | HardDisk_WP | I can hear it (have a beep script) |
| 15:46.20 | Wyzard | Gruelius: You can make a bootable CD from a floppy image |
| 15:46.25 | HardDisk_WP | it beeps when it's fully booted |
| 15:46.27 | vi3t_ | anyone knows? |
| 15:46.30 | Gruelius | wyzard: can i boot a floppy image with grub? |
| 15:46.36 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, you also own a NSLU? |
| 15:46.54 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Not that I know of, though it'd be a useful feature |
| 15:47.02 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: which firmware do you use (yes, i have one) |
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| 15:47.35 | Gruelius | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Boot_Floppydisk_Image_without_Floppy_using_GRUB |
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| 15:47.44 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, debian of course ^^ |
| 15:47.57 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: yes, but there are several variants. |
| 15:48.05 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: "iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 15:48.16 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: The "allow-hotplug eth0" is supposed to be on its own line |
| 15:48.23 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, a really cute torrent client... http://blog.harddisk.is-a-geek.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/p1010846.jpg |
| 15:48.30 | HardDisk_WP | you see the ALL6200 in the middle? |
| 15:48.37 | HardDisk_WP | 250GB mounted via NFS on it xD |
| 15:48.41 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: You shouldn't need both allow-hotplug and auto for the same interface... I'd take eth0 off the "auto" line |
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| 15:48.59 | vi3t_ | hello? =P any help |
| 15:49.00 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, testing |
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| 15:49.04 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: any Wyzard is right: that file will not work on any debian-variant... |
| 15:49.04 | HardDisk_WP | 2.6.18 kernel |
| 15:49.32 | HardDisk_WP | AH |
| 15:49.48 | stony5859 | hi guys, can somebody help me to create a regular expresion to find comments in a c-document |
| 15:49.50 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: "auto eth0" means ifup it when /etc/init.d/networking runs; "allow-hotplug eth0" means ifup it when the device is detected by udev |
| 15:49.53 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, just the allow-hotplug on its own line and it should work, right?! |
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| 15:49.55 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: Use one or the other |
| 15:50.11 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, but can they be simultaneous? |
| 15:50.35 | Wyzard | If you have both it'll probably try to ifup the interface twice (though I've never tested that) |
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| 15:50.50 | HardDisk_WP | I think I know HOW I made the error. |
| 15:51.01 | HardDisk_WP | I somehow managed it to delete that line... |
| 15:51.13 | Wyzard | It shouldn't matter which you use, unless somehow your Ethernet card isn't detected until after /etc/init.d/networking runs, in which case auto wouldn't work but allow-hotplug would |
| 15:51.32 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, well, a miswritten script would cause ifup to fail, right? |
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| 15:51.42 | Wyzard | That's a possibility |
| 15:51.52 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, and if I comment out the last three lines: Will this work? |
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| 15:52.02 | HardDisk_WP | (for IPv6 connectivity) |
| 15:52.15 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, do two ifaces sections for same eth0 work |
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| 15:52.43 | Wyzard | Yes, that should work |
| 15:52.47 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: the problem is simple: the NULS2 main chip has 2 ethernet devices. But only one is connected to the PCB. If you are unlucky eth0 is the dead one. That's why most NSLU2 owners use udev. The image sets the udev-rules to make pick the right interface. |
| 15:53.06 | Gruelius | Do you guys know if winflash works under wine? |
| 15:53.10 | Gruelius | cbf looking at the appdb :p |
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| 15:53.13 | Wyzard | I have both an inet and an inet6 stanza for eth0 on one of my own machines and it works |
| 15:53.21 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ah kk...but the missing \n was the error, I think |
| 15:53.25 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, k :) |
| 15:53.31 | pumpkin0 | Gruelius: winflash the BIOS-flasher ? Do not use it. |
| 15:53.43 | Wyzard | Gruelius: I wouldn't take the risk, considering that if it doesn't, you brick your motherboard |
| 15:53.51 | Gruelius | yeah |
| 15:54.03 | Gruelius | i like to take risks |
| 15:54.05 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, do you want to hear a really mad story how I use my NSLU? |
| 15:54.07 | Gruelius | i hit on 20 |
| 15:54.14 | Gruelius | nah ill just use the dos util :p |
| 15:54.31 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Get a boot-floppy image from somewhere, loop-mount it and copy the new BIOS and flash tool into it, then make a bootable CD from it |
| 15:54.50 | Gruelius | Wyzard: I posted a link before you can just boot the floppy image with grub |
| 15:54.56 | Gruelius | save resources :P |
| 15:55.01 | Gruelius | same idea though |
| 15:55.28 | Wyzard | oh, I didn't notice that |
| 15:55.29 | Wyzard | cool |
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| 15:56.00 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: i have seen several very bad ideas with the NSLU2. currently on top is a robot using it as brain. It went havoc (guess which ethernet cable they used... ) and caused so much damage the project was canceled. |
| 15:56.04 | Wyzard | As for getting a floppy image, http://www.bootdisk.com/ has a "driver-free disk for BIOS flashing" |
| 15:56.22 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, it's a Windows .exe that writes to a floppy disk when run |
| 15:56.53 | Wyzard | I've run it in VMware with the virtual machine's floppy drive bound to an image file... you could probably also use wine |
| 15:57.29 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, lol^^ anyway, I use it as IPv6 gate, alarm clock, filesharing and downloading server, web server, proxy, media server and even (using a C-Control and an USB keyboard) as a small piano |
| 15:57.59 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, NSLU back...THANKS!! |
| 15:58.21 | Gruelius | http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ |
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| 15:58.28 | Gruelius | im just editing one of those images |
| 15:58.54 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, and I think it should be possible to use a battery-backed NSLU with a USB IR transceiver and a Lego RCX / NXT brick as a robot ^^ |
| 16:01.25 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: they used a dumb zigbee-bridge and some cheap ethernet based analog IO card. It didn't work well, even with the NSLU2 replaced by another controller. The problem with robots is not the brain, it's the sensors. Anyway, back to the topic... |
| 16:01.34 | HardDisk_WP | lol^^ |
| 16:01.42 | Gruelius | how do i unzip a exe? |
| 16:01.52 | Gruelius | the bin file is in there and i dont have wine on this pc |
| 16:01.52 | Wyzard | Gruelius: You can't; it's not a zipfile |
| 16:01.54 | aleksanteri | Gruelius, you can't |
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| 16:02.03 | Gruelius | i can do it on windows *shrugs* lol |
| 16:02.06 | vi3t_ | the boost version 1.34.1 is out, and i only got my list @ 1.33, why is that? i have updated with apt-get update, but it doesn seem to find more then 1.33 |
| 16:02.09 | pumpkin0 | Gruelius: are you sure its a self-unzipping file ? |
| 16:02.15 | Gruelius | pretty sure |
| 16:02.18 | aleksanteri | Gruelius, sudo apt-get install wine |
| 16:02.19 | aleksanteri | :> |
| 16:02.28 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Some self-extracting .exe files are an executable with an archive appended to it, and some unpacking tools know how to handle that |
| 16:02.36 | pumpkin0 | Gruelius: the unzipping is not a problem, try file. or unzip. |
| 16:02.43 | Wyzard | Gruelius: but any other sort of .exe is completely opaque to an unpacking tool |
| 16:03.14 | Gruelius | pumpkin0: unzip worked perfectly |
| 16:03.22 | Gruelius | no parameters needed :D |
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| 16:03.39 | Wyzard | vi3t_: Are you running etch? |
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| 16:05.51 | vi3t_ | Wyzard, yeah |
| 16:05.59 | vi3t_ | but im getting error with etch |
| 16:06.20 | vi3t_ | or, no im not getting error, i did when i had contrib |
| 16:06.24 | Wyzard | vi3t_: etch only has software that was available when etch was released |
| 16:06.33 | Wyzard | vi3t_: Other than security fixes and critical bugfixes, it doesn't change |
| 16:06.40 | vi3t_ | oh, so i should remove etch ? |
| 16:07.03 | Wyzard | vi3t_: etch is the current supported stable release of Debian |
| 16:07.25 | Wyzard | vi3t_: testing and unstable have newer packages, but you shouldn't run those unless you know what you're doing |
| 16:07.28 | vi3t_ | so libboost 1.34 isnt stable for debian? |
| 16:07.39 | Wyzard | right |
| 16:07.54 | vi3t_ | what should I have when i want to have the unstable version ? |
| 16:07.56 | Wyzard | It will be when lenny is released |
| 16:08.24 | Wyzard | I don't understand that question |
| 16:08.41 | vi3t_ | in gentoo you can "unmask" the unstable versions so you can install them |
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| 16:08.48 | vi3t_ | same in arch |
| 16:08.56 | vi3t_ | but what can i do in deb ? |
| 16:09.22 | wols | vi3t_: backport |
| 16:09.30 | vi3t_ | uhm.. how do i install the unstable version beside downloading it ? |
| 16:09.31 | vi3t_ | =p |
| 16:09.34 | vi3t_ | backport? |
| 16:09.36 | Wyzard | You can configure your sources.list to have testing or unstable packages available but not use those versions unless you specifically ask for them |
| 16:09.44 | wols | !tell vi3t_ about backport |
| 16:09.48 | Wyzard | or you can just go to http://packages.debian.org/ and look up the package you want, and download the .deb |
| 16:10.08 | wols | Wyzard: mixing debian branches? no good |
| 16:10.21 | wols | also pdo is down :( |
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| 16:10.39 | Wyzard | No it isn't... I was there just a little while ago |
| 16:10.53 | dutchfish | its up |
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| 16:11.12 | Wyzard | and if the package doesn't have any dependencies that aren't available in the older release, downloading and installing the .deb isn't really any different from "simple sid backport" |
| 16:11.28 | wols | _if_ |
| 16:11.35 | tralala | is there a way to restart a crashed kio subsystem short of restarting the kde session? |
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| 16:12.47 | wols | Wyzard: any lib uses the newer libc from lenny or sid. KO criteria right there |
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| 16:13.21 | Wyzard | good point |
| 16:13.35 | Wyzard | though most of the Boost "libraries" are actually just C++ headers, no .so |
| 16:14.57 | vi3t_ | Wyzard, wols, thanks for sharing your knowledge :) |
| 16:15.20 | wols | so have you found a proper 1.34.1 version? |
| 16:17.18 | vi3t_ | no i havent, it depends on alot of other packages, |
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| 16:18.47 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i have some people in kubuntu that were banned from the channel for no reason |
| 16:18.54 | eagles0513875 | who is the channel op if u dont mind me asking |
| 16:19.19 | eagles0513875 | anyone alive in here |
| 16:19.28 | vi3t_ | if your banned, then there is a reason for it..this chan is for debian |
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| 16:19.39 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: we don't know who is the channel op there |
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| 16:20.00 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: these peopel are kubuntu devs thats why im asking |
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| 16:20.30 | jelly-home | shrugs. Sorry. |
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| 16:20.44 | eagles0513875 | how can i find out the chan op is |
| 16:20.44 | hoxu | eagles0513875, who was banned for no reason? |
| 16:21.00 | eagles0513875 | hoxu: jucato and greeg |
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| 16:23.07 | eagles0513875 | hoxu: any idea as to why |
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| 16:24.17 | hoxu | eagles0513875, I don't think jucato is banned, and I haven't seen him here since 2007 or so |
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| 16:24.28 | hoxu | eagles0513875, as for greeg, root username is banned from here it seems |
| 16:24.31 | fnmueller | you can als do something like: /chanserv access #debian list |
| 16:24.33 | South3rn | Dj Nau (www.djnaugc.com) - Dj Nau (www.djnaugc.com) @ Abril 2007 |
| 16:24.52 | fnmueller | well, /banlist is long ^^ |
| 16:25.19 | eagles0513875 | fnmueller: lol not so advanced when it comes to irc commands |
| 16:25.51 | fnmueller | eagles0513875: it's nice to play with |
| 16:25.54 | jelly-home | South3rn: please don't spam. |
| 16:26.02 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 16:26.32 | South3rn | jelly-home: sorry ! |
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| 16:26.37 | eagles0513875 | im still trying to figure out where i wanna start with my own distro fnmueller |
| 16:26.37 | hoxu | !forgive South3rn |
| 16:26.37 | dpkg | Well, South3rn boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows South3rn head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 16:26.38 | smax | hi |
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| 16:26.53 | eagles0513875 | wow quite a nice room :p |
| 16:27.38 | eagles0513875 | where the love in here |
| 16:27.44 | fnmueller | also wants do build YAD - Yet another Distro |
| 16:27.45 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 16:27.45 | dpkg | from memory, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
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| 16:28.01 | fnmueller | !whydebian |
| 16:28.01 | dpkg | well, whydebian is because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian, http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 16:28.40 | eagles0513875 | fnmueller: mine i want to build a cluster distro based of kubuntu for some clustering noob to use |
| 16:28.43 | fnmueller | hmmm, kind of annoying those commas are not seperated from the url |
| 16:28.44 | eagles0513875 | an easy to setup cluster os |
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| 16:29.37 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 16:29.52 | South3rn | hoxu: xD |
| 16:30.20 | hoxu | !xd |
| 16:30.20 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 16:31.05 | eagles0513875 | fnmueller: y not fix the commas |
| 16:31.16 | South3rn | could anyone help me? I dist-upgraded yesterday to lenny and I'm getting lots of trouble with perl and installing a big bunch of packages! :( Thanks on forehand! |
| 16:31.25 | hoxu | !btssmite South3rn |
| 16:31.26 | dpkg | beats South3rn around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if South3rn is running Unstable |
| 16:31.30 | flo90 | downgrade it :p |
| 16:31.54 | fnmueller | eagles0513875: because I doubt I have write priviledges to factoids |
| 16:31.55 | jelly-home | South3rn: yeah, that's kinda normal for testing this time of perl upgrade. |
| 16:32.00 | vi3t_ | xD = cartman smilie :D |
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| 16:32.05 | South3rn | hoxu: I found info about it |
| 16:32.11 | South3rn | but now about fixing it :( |
| 16:32.12 | fnmueller | !dpkg |
| 16:32.12 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 16:32.27 | fnmueller | !dpkgbot |
| 16:32.28 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
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| 16:32.43 | South3rn | fnmueller: I know that... |
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| 16:32.58 | fnmueller | South3rn: well, I don't, I am new here |
| 16:33.02 | amikrop | I am sorry, but does alioth.debian.org have a problem right now? I cannot login. |
| 16:33.07 | jelly-home | South3rn: start with pastebinning the complete output of, say, "dpkg --configure --pending" and "apt-get -f install" (or aptitude -f install, if you prefer it) |
| 16:33.08 | South3rn | :) |
| 16:33.09 | smax | i just INstalled Debian Etch. the KDE Crash Handler frequently pops up. |
| 16:33.14 | South3rn | ok |
| 16:33.14 | smax | even if no window has crashed. |
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| 16:33.20 | South3rn | jelly-home: give me a sec :) |
| 16:33.21 | amikrop | It says either that I have invalid username/password, or "Could Not Get User". |
| 16:33.25 | jelly-home | !tell fnmueller -about msg the bot |
| 16:33.31 | amikrop | !alioth |
| 16:33.31 | dpkg | alioth is, like, http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html, or irc://irc.oftc.net/#alioth |
| 16:33.46 | fnmueller | jelly-home: I just read that part ;-) |
| 16:33.55 | jelly-home | fnmueller: great! |
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| 16:34.12 | mugwort13 | has anyone sucessfully gotten apt-build to configure with the CFLAGS they have chosen ? |
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| 16:34.22 | Eulex | smax, a program that hasn't got a window might have crashed? |
| 16:34.32 | eagles0513875 | weill im outa here im taking up a space that can be used by a true debain user |
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| 16:34.39 | smax | Eulex, well i just installed Debian why is shit already crashing? |
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| 16:35.29 | Eulex | smax, who knows? does it say _what_ is crashing? |
| 16:35.47 | cahoot | and what debian? |
| 16:36.26 | crashanddie | also, what is "just installed"... "Just installed" as in "just installed an 5000 packages installed" or "just installed, reboot, first login" all that ? |
| 16:36.33 | jelly-home | cahoot: [18:33] <smax> i just INstalled Debian Etch. the KDE Crash Handler frequently pops up. |
| 16:36.42 | cahoot | sorry |
| 16:36.51 | South3rn | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m7ebd3e7e |
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| 16:37.10 | crashanddie | smax, went asking in KDE ? |
| 16:37.21 | crashanddie | smax, what does the "crash handler" tell ya ? |
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| 16:38.45 | jelly-home | South3rn: ¿Que? Please try it again, but prefix the command with "LANG=C ", like "LANG=C aptitude -f install" |
| 16:39.03 | South3rn | ok |
| 16:39.18 | Vectro | Is this a reasonable place to ask questions about maintaining Debian packages? |
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| 16:40.02 | scriptdevil | Vectro: if it is not listed in the manual |
| 16:40.09 | South3rn | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m4fea53f0 |
| 16:40.40 | jelly-home | Vectro: there's also #debian-mentors over on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:41.20 | sniff | what signs are there for rootkits? looked for suspicious processes, suspicious traffic, nada |
| 16:41.22 | sniff | anything else? |
| 16:41.30 | Vectro | jelly-home: Thx. |
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| 16:42.11 | Vectro | I have a piece of software that must run under a particular username. But dpkg doesn't let you install packages except by UID. What's the best way to deal with this? Get a static-allocated UID? Change ownership at post-install? |
| 16:42.36 | Eulex | sniff, you could try using chkrootkit |
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| 16:43.05 | sniff | Eulex: anything less, hmm, weak? |
| 16:43.09 | jelly-home | Vectro: if you don't need it to be static, create a system user in postinst and chown the needed stuff |
| 16:43.33 | Vectro | jelly: OK, thx. |
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| 16:44.19 | jelly-home | Vectro: this is what various services do. Say, clamav, or mysql-server. |
| 16:44.47 | Vectro | Was looking at that now. Thanks. |
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| 16:45.54 | sniff | Eulex: any signs i could notice? |
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| 16:47.13 | jahshua | hrmm i have just installed debian and i have a /etc/group and another one which is /etc/group- is this correct? |
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| 16:47.50 | jelly-home | jahshua: the other is a backup of some sort |
| 16:47.57 | jahshua | k |
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| 16:49.35 | surfer__ | Anyone have problems with apt-get installing mysql-server on fetch? |
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| 16:50.00 | wols | surfer__: fetch? |
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| 16:50.05 | surfer__ | etch* |
| 16:50.08 | wols | surfer__: show us the full apt output |
| 16:50.12 | surfer__ | wols: ok |
| 16:50.22 | surfer__ | thanks hold on :) |
| 16:50.23 | rendar | why i have hald-addon-storage which is polling on the device of the cdrom? |
| 16:50.37 | wols | rendar: automounter? |
| 16:50.55 | rendar | wolls: can i disable it? |
| 16:51.14 | wols | the automounter: sure |
| 16:51.20 | wols | if you use any |
| 16:51.53 | surfer__ | wols: http://pastebin.com/m2c039aa0 here |
| 16:51.56 | wols | Vectro: various programs in debian run under a special, static username. the UID is dynamic depending what is available but its name is fixed. www-data for example |
| 16:52.08 | rgr | abrotman: sorry for delay. Machine is really unstable with root being full. Here is the du for the root.http://pastebin.com/m62dbe930 but note it does not add up to 36 gigs! |
| 16:52.23 | rendar | wols : where i can play with the automounter? /etc/fstab ? |
| 16:52.32 | rgr | ignore /media as that is then linked off to an external usb drive. |
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| 16:52.54 | wols | surfer__: check your mysql logs |
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| 16:53.10 | eject_ck | Hi everybody :) |
| 16:53.19 | eject_ck | I'm new in Debian |
| 16:53.25 | infinitycircuit | rendar: you can use the command: hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0 to stop it, where /dev/scd0 is your cd drive |
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| 16:53.39 | infinitycircuit | rendar: hal-disable-polling --enable-polling --device /dev/scd0 will reverse it |
| 16:54.21 | rendar | infinitycircuit : thanks for your help! but does exist a configuration file of hal? |
| 16:54.30 | eject_ck | Have question about default settings for locale. Why it using UTF-8 by default? Do I really need this ? And finally how I can change this defaults to C ? Thanks! |
| 16:54.43 | surfer__ | wols: the logs are empty |
| 16:54.46 | rendar | ã: ãã: ã |
| 16:54.49 | wols | eject_ck: yes you do. since etch, debian is UNICODE by default |
| 16:54.56 | wols | !tell eject_ck about locales |
| 16:55.02 | Vectro | Thx all, I think that'll work fine. |
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| 16:55.15 | infinitycircuit | rendar: i'm not sure i've always just used the command i gave |
| 16:55.16 | smax | nspluginviewer keeps crashing. |
| 16:55.30 | smax | i installed a flash 10 beta. is that relevent? |
| 16:55.40 | smax | anyother version of flash plays youtube choppy. |
| 16:55.45 | eject_ck | wols, thanks! Btw, some console scrips wants LANG=C |
| 16:55.53 | wols | eject_ck: then set it |
| 16:55.54 | rendar | hal-disable-polling: command not found |
| 16:56.00 | infinitycircuit | smax: yes, of course that is relevant |
| 16:56.03 | wols | eject_ck: and those scripts are broken |
| 16:56.12 | smax | whats a good flash package. |
| 16:56.21 | smax | one that doesent play youtube choppy. |
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| 16:56.45 | wols | smax: do you have a marginal system? |
| 16:56.46 | infinitycircuit | rendar: according to dpkg -S the package "hal" contains hal-disable-polling but i am using sid...what are you on? |
| 16:56.57 | madsara | Hey, is there a way that I can determine the config options used in a .deb? |
| 16:57.04 | smax | wols: as far as hardware? is that what you mean by minimal? |
| 16:57.06 | jahshua | is it necessary to have both acpi and apm enabled? can i safely disable one or both of them? |
| 16:57.08 | wols | madsara: download the source and check |
| 16:57.16 | eject_ck | wols, its mrtg :) not sure that you right (abt broken status) :) |
| 16:57.21 | madsara | wols, yeah, but where is it located in the source? |
| 16:57.27 | eject_ck | Thanks again! |
| 16:57.31 | wols | smax: yes. from what I remember flash10 uses various forms of hardware acceleration now |
| 16:57.35 | madsara | I'm unsure where the config file itself is. |
| 16:57.41 | wols | older versions of flash use integer cpu commands only |
| 16:57.54 | wols | madsara: in debian/ |
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| 16:58.16 | rgr | can someone give me some idea of "roughly" what /var/lib should be in terms of size for an average debian install? Mine is suddenly 9.5 Gigs but the contents do not add up to anywhere near that! |
| 16:58.18 | smax | wols: im running an hp pavilion |
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| 16:58.31 | smax | celeron |
| 16:58.33 | wols | smax: that's a non information |
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| 16:58.48 | wols | celerons exist from 300MHz to 3GHz.... |
| 16:58.49 | perplexed | is debian 64bit platform stable? |
| 16:58.54 | wols | perplexed: yes |
| 16:59.09 | perplexed | i have an amd turion 64 x2 |
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| 16:59.16 | infinitycircuit | rgr: mine is 120MB |
| 16:59.32 | rendar | infinitycircuit : that command gave me much lines of hal containing scripts and libs, but i can't see hal-disable-polling |
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| 16:59.44 | perplexed | wols: how difficult will it be getting my atheros ar5007 wifi adapter to work? Its a neccessity, thats my method of getting online |
| 17:00.26 | madsara | Excellent, thanks wols |
| 17:00.27 | randall | how do i change my resolution in debian |
| 17:00.27 | infinitycircuit | rendar: fyi, you can use "dpkg -S $FILENAME" to see which debian package contains a file on your computer |
| 17:00.27 | infinitycircuit | rendar: are you running etch? |
| 17:00.27 | perplexed | and my nvidia mcp76m |
| 17:00.27 | rgr | infinitycircuit: how to do a dir check? It seems something has corrupted badly. Surely it can not be 9.5 gigs! |
| 17:00.29 | smax | wols what information are you asking about ? |
| 17:00.32 | infinitycircuit | rgr: what does du say is the biggest user of space? |
| 17:00.40 | randall | all my stuff is big lol |
| 17:01.28 | wols | Rockj: remount the partition read only and then man fsck |
| 17:01.32 | jelly-home | !test |
| 17:01.33 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:01.50 | wols | perplexed: then I'd use a kmuto installer |
| 17:01.54 | wols | !tell perplexed about kmuto |
| 17:02.05 | rgr | hold on! I think I have it. Its a suspended vmware image! 8 gigs. |
| 17:02.21 | wols | randall: what debian branch? |
| 17:02.24 | rendar | infinitycircuit : yes |
| 17:02.45 | randall | etch |
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| 17:03.02 | perplexed | wols: so just use those isos? are they still 64 bit? |
| 17:03.03 | wols | !tell randall about drxx |
| 17:03.06 | perplexed | and amd arch |
| 17:03.24 | randall | ty |
| 17:03.31 | wols | perplexed: intel Xeons and Core2Duos are AMD64 too |
| 17:03.41 | wols | there is no "amd" arch |
| 17:03.53 | perplexed | ohh i see, which one under amd64 should i get. |
| 17:04.00 | perplexed | the first iso listed? |
| 17:04.07 | rendar | infinitycircuit : what about apt-get --purge remove hal? :P |
| 17:04.20 | Eulex | whichever you want/need |
| 17:04.41 | wols | randall: just be sure you don't wipe out things you want but depend on hal |
| 17:04.50 | wols | rendar: ^^ |
| 17:04.54 | perplexed | i just want the one which will possibly have the drivers for my wireless adapter and video card |
| 17:05.03 | wols | perplexed: what wlan? |
| 17:05.13 | wols | and what videocard? neither you have told us |
| 17:06.44 | perplexed | atheros ar5007 wifi adapter and nvidia mcp67M |
| 17:07.46 | wols | !tell perplexed about madwifi |
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| 17:08.19 | wols | especially read the part about AR5007UG |
| 17:08.51 | wols | perplexed: your wlan will not work out of the box |
| 17:08.54 | randall | how do i find out what chipset i have so i can configure my video hardware |
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| 17:09.18 | wols | randall: lspci |
| 17:09.26 | randall | ok |
| 17:09.33 | perplexed | wols: hmm, so would i be able to install the base system without my connection, and how will i get online once i get the base sys installed if i need external pkgs? |
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| 17:09.49 | wols | perplexed: download them right now |
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| 17:10.18 | perplexed | and burn them, then mount the cd in my debian system and install accordingly? |
| 17:10.34 | wols | use a usb stick or such. don't waste a full CD |
| 17:10.48 | perplexed | i wish i had a usb stick, darn it |
| 17:10.59 | cycom | perplexed: CD-RW then? |
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| 17:11.09 | perplexed | i only have 3 CD-Rs left. |
| 17:11.12 | wols | perplexed: debian can read from fat or ntfs partitions too |
| 17:11.18 | perplexed | wols: should i still get that iso? |
| 17:11.28 | wols | if you want |
| 17:11.30 | perplexed | wols: but thats only if its a multi-boot system right? |
| 17:11.51 | wols | which ISO? kmuto? no you need CD1 or you need a lot more packages (the whole gcc toolchain) |
| 17:12.17 | perplexed | wols: yea should i still get kmuto? or just go with cd1? I have cd1 already downloaded |
| 17:12.29 | wols | try cd1 then |
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| 17:12.41 | perplexed | i did just download etch-custom-0530.iso though |
| 17:12.48 | perplexed | may just go with that, just in case |
| 17:14.01 | perplexed | so do i download the madwifi-tools and madwifi-source debs or actual source pkgs? |
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| 17:15.05 | perplexed | i think im going to officially name myself 'question mark'. I am asking a lot of questions. Just dont want to wipe out this current system then have a trunk load of problems when i install linux. |
| 17:15.08 | perplexed | brand new laptop |
| 17:15.31 | perplexed | vista is working flawlessly, but of course i dont feel comfortable |
| 17:16.13 | frank_white | vistas such crap |
| 17:16.30 | frank_white | at work we deploy hundreds of machines that come with Vista and we re-image every one of them with XP |
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| 17:17.41 | perplexed | wols: should i download madwifi_1.7.3.dsc and madwifi_1.7.3.tar.gz and burn them to a disc, then build a deb package once i get into my debian environment? |
| 17:17.55 | perplexed | frank_white: heh.. you remind me of american gangster. |
| 17:17.57 | perplexed | frank white |
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| 17:18.05 | jelly-home | perplexed: you don't have to wipe it all. I still have the original xp on this laptop, shrunk the ntfs partition and copied my old installation in the free space |
| 17:18.37 | jelly-home | perplexed: a sworn enemy of frank black? |
| 17:18.49 | perplexed | hahaha |
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| 17:19.20 | perplexed | jelly-home: yea? I always have problems when partitioning, i wish i could just install debian in the free space, but then i'd have to start dealing with extended and logical partitions. |
| 17:19.29 | perplexed | get a little confused then |
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| 17:21.18 | frank_white | perplexed: that movie was loosely based on my early childhood |
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| 17:22.37 | perplexed | heh, i think ill just wipe vista out entirely, i just hope debian doesnt have a problem with plug & play. i may wanna browse through my digital camera at times |
| 17:22.43 | perplexed | via a usb cable |
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| 17:26.31 | wols | perplexed: no |
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| 17:26.54 | wols | perplexed: and I told you to really carefully read the factoid. something you obviously did not do |
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| 17:27.05 | perplexed | which question are you referring to? |
| 17:27.12 | perplexed | im reading the madwifi docs now |
| 17:27.17 | wols | downloading the tar.gz |
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| 17:28.25 | perplexed | ohh, yea u said it'll be a waste burning it to a cd, but thats my only method of storage |
| 17:28.38 | wols | no that's not what I mean. read the factoid from dpkg again |
| 17:28.43 | perplexed | ok |
| 17:28.46 | jahshua | wols: do you have a factiod i could read about madwifi? i have just done a fresh debian install and i believe there may be issue with madwifi since the last time i used it? |
| 17:29.04 | amikrop | I am sorry, but does alioth.debian.org have a problem right now? I cannot login. It says either that I have invalid username/password, or "Could Not Get User". Any help? |
| 17:29.16 | perplexed | !madwifi-install |
| 17:29.16 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 17:29.23 | perplexed | hmm |
| 17:29.44 | jahshua | ah okay so its still working okay. |
| 17:29.46 | wols | perplexed: that's not the factoid I gave you |
| 17:29.58 | jahshua | i thought there was a problem with it and driver issues or something. |
| 17:30.07 | jahshua | i am quite familiar with the installation. :) thanks! |
| 17:30.26 | stew | amikrop: i am able to login to alioth |
| 17:30.43 | perplexed | is perplexed |
| 17:30.56 | amikrop | stew: OK, I will re-try. |
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| 17:31.31 | jahshua | wols: is this above method still in use? |
| 17:31.38 | jahshua | *valid |
| 17:31.58 | wols | jahshua: afaik yes. at least for etch |
| 17:32.32 | jahshua | hmm im on lenny. |
| 17:32.36 | jahshua | crosses fingers |
| 17:33.42 | perplexed | wols: if i just have a personal system which may have a file server, web server, 3 or less users, and it has 120gig and 3 gigs of ram, what should the partition scheme be? |
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| 17:34.26 | wols | whatever you want |
| 17:34.44 | jahshua | perplexed: just make sure you keep a seperate /usr/local and you should be okay. |
| 17:35.08 | jahshua | or a seperate /home |
| 17:35.10 | perplexed | a separate /usr or /usr/local? |
| 17:35.21 | perplexed | swap, /, /boot, /home and /usr/local? |
| 17:35.34 | jahshua | perplexed: what did i type? |
| 17:35.40 | perplexed | /usr/local |
| 17:35.45 | wols | jahshua: why a separate /usr/local/? |
| 17:35.54 | jahshua | security? |
| 17:35.57 | jahshua | shrugs |
| 17:36.03 | wols | what security? |
| 17:36.05 | jahshua | im not too good at the patitioning either. |
| 17:36.08 | jahshua | heh |
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| 17:36.29 | jahshua | well, i have read that it is more secure to keep your users in a seperate partition. |
| 17:36.38 | jahshua | so if they fill up the disk .. |
| 17:36.41 | jahshua | etc. |
| 17:36.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.00 | hoxu | !comfort wols |
| 17:37.00 | dpkg | There, there, wols. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:37.04 | jahshua | yah |
| 17:37.06 | jahshua | heh |
| 17:37.07 | jahshua | bbl |
| 17:37.09 | wols | hoxu: I'm just asking |
| 17:37.10 | jahshua | food. |
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| 17:37.31 | hoxu | wols, I don't see a point either, to be honest :p |
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| 17:37.43 | wols | I can understand /boot /home /tmp /var, and such. but not /usr/local/ |
| 17:37.51 | jahshua | put it all in / then. |
| 17:38.00 | hoxu | wols, unless you allow local users to maintain certain applications under /usr/local, which some multiuser systems do |
| 17:38.02 | hipodilski | is there a way in linux to make it auto restart if let's say the kernel has crashed? |
| 17:38.03 | jahshua | yeah i actually meant to say /home not /usr/local |
| 17:38.04 | jahshua | heh |
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| 17:38.38 | hoxu | hipodilski, I think there are some watchdog options in kernel config, but unless it's hardware I guess it's not reliable |
| 17:39.03 | perplexed | if i have 3 gigs of ram, how much swap, i probably only need about 1 1/2 gigs right? |
| 17:39.14 | hoxu | perplexed, or none at all |
| 17:39.35 | hipodilski | hoxu: what is the hardware solution? I'm not familiar with. How is it called. Where can I buy it from? |
| 17:39.36 | wols | perplexed: between nothing or >3GB depending if suspend to disk is wanted |
| 17:39.57 | wols | hipodilski: it's called a watchdog timer. mainly servers have it. possible pci cards exist |
| 17:39.58 | hoxu | hipodilski, I don't really know, you are better off googling |
| 17:40.03 | perplexed | what is suspend to disk, like when closing the LCD on a laptop? |
| 17:40.12 | wols | perplexed: no |
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| 17:41.13 | Eulex | perplexed, saving the contents of the ram to the disk and shutting down. restoring ram contents from the disk when powering up again. |
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| 17:41.23 | liable | perplexed: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 17:41.42 | perplexed | ohh i see |
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| 17:42.22 | hipodilski | wols: ok thanks |
| 17:42.28 | hipodilski | hoxu: thanks :) |
| 17:42.55 | hoxu | hipodilski, no problem, I make living pointing people to google |
| 17:42.59 | hoxu | or maybe not |
| 17:44.58 | wols | hoxu: google makes a living out of you pointing people to them rather |
| 17:45.17 | perplexed | about to start this debian install |
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| 17:45.57 | wols | perplexed: if I were you I'd not delete my vista partition totally |
| 17:46.04 | hoxu | wols, maybe I should send them an invoice for promotion then |
| 17:46.17 | perplexed | wols: how do i install debian in the free space? |
| 17:46.26 | wols | hoxu: it's customary to create a spammy blog with lots of adsense instead |
| 17:46.40 | wols | perplexed: if space is unpartitioned, simply install |
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| 17:46.53 | perplexed | wouldnt that put everything in /? |
| 17:47.01 | perplexed | instead of giving me a nice partitioning scheme |
| 17:47.15 | perplexed | like150 mb /boot, 1.5gig swap, 30 gig /, and the rest for /home |
| 17:47.30 | justin | you don't need a /boot partition |
| 17:47.33 | wols | you can partition any way you like |
| 17:47.49 | wols | bot to mention 30GB / is kinda overkill |
| 17:47.55 | perplexed | so about 20 |
| 17:48.15 | perplexed | i have a 120 gig drive, so i'll give vista 60, already using about 40 something and debian 60 |
| 17:48.30 | justin | more like about 10 |
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| 17:49.11 | jahshua | 60 for vista?? |
| 17:49.12 | perplexed | hmm, let me see how the install looks |
| 17:49.13 | jahshua | :( |
| 17:49.16 | jahshua | heh |
| 17:49.20 | perplexed | its already using about 40+ |
| 17:49.32 | perplexed | might as well give it about 10+ more to work with |
| 17:49.38 | perplexed | i was going to wipe it out |
| 17:49.55 | perplexed | going to listen to wols because i may not get all this hardware working like i want |
| 17:49.59 | perplexed | then i'll b screwed |
| 17:50.00 | perplexed | no backups |
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| 17:51.01 | perplexed | wols: once i get into the install env, do you think the partitioning will be a hassle? especially when trying to keep it alongside vista? |
| 17:51.25 | wols | it won't if you read the debian install guide |
| 17:51.27 | wols | !tell perplexed about ig |
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| 17:52.45 | chun | hi all |
| 17:53.17 | chun | quick question, is cdd-dev only menat to be used with valid CDDs? |
| 17:53.31 | chun | ie, the one listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian |
| 17:54.39 | frank_white | cd .. |
| 17:54.42 | frank_white | ww |
| 17:56.15 | perplexed | could i partition from windows then install debian accordingly on those partitions with cfdisk? |
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| 17:56.51 | liable | yes |
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| 17:57.19 | perplexed | ok cool |
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| 17:57.55 | perplexed | one more thing, will this dual booting slow my system down at all or will it be the same as if i had it installed on the whole drive? |
| 17:57.59 | JordiGH | My mom's iPod doesn't do ogg, but I want to share my music with her, which is all in ogg. Is there a simple interface to transfer the music, or should I first transcode it all to mp3? |
| 17:58.00 | perplexed | no permance difference? |
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| 17:58.30 | grendal_prime | hey guys quesion..i just made a connection to anouther machine with ssh using the following method. ssh -L 2800:localhost:2800 'your.server' Question is..how do i now take that connection down? |
| 17:58.30 | JordiGH | perplexed: No performance difference. The hard drive isn't any faster or slower (or shouldn't be) reading different sectors. |
| 17:58.41 | perplexed | cool |
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| 17:59.40 | flokuehn | hi. where do i change the umask option for automounting an usb drive? |
| 17:59.41 | grendal_prime | my understanding is that i bound that port on my local machine to the port on the remote machine through ssh. (wich by the way for some reason is much faster than running x remotely |
| 17:59.44 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, perplexed, there is. reading/writing is slower towards the end of the drive |
| 18:00.39 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: Because it's a wider radius? Are hard drives not stacked like they used to be? |
| 18:00.53 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, in short: no |
| 18:01.04 | JordiGH | flokuehn: Are you automounting with Gnome? |
| 18:01.13 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, that is, they are, but there are limits to the stacking |
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| 18:01.54 | flokuehn | JordiGH: no iam automounting with kde. |
| 18:02.05 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: I can understand if some sectors further away from the centre take longer to read. But when you partition a hard drive, do you put all of the second partition on the distant sectors? |
| 18:02.20 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, periferal tracks contain more data per track than the inner, and drives paed/write from the inside out |
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| 18:02.30 | nolimitsoya | *reai |
| 18:02.32 | nolimitsoya | **read |
| 18:02.35 | JordiGH | flokuehn: Oh, I haven't used KDE in a while, sorry. But there should be somewhere in Kcontrol the possibility to add mount options. |
| 18:02.41 | nolimitsoya | *outside in... |
| 18:02.45 | nolimitsoya | oh sod it |
| 18:03.16 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, the first track is on the outer edge of the platter |
| 18:03.25 | wols | grendal_prime: exit the ssh connection |
| 18:03.43 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: Huh. Then I'm confused. Why did you say the second partition closer to the centre would be slower? |
| 18:03.46 | flokuehn | JordiGH: hmmk. could you give me an clue for what i have to look. i think it has something to do with udev mount options, but i dont know where to look for |
| 18:04.01 | wols | grendal_prime: reason it'S faster is probably compression |
| 18:04.01 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, bc it will :) |
| 18:04.03 | JordiGH | flokuehn: One sec, I'm looking in kcontrol right now. |
| 18:04.06 | wols | flokuehn: /etc/udev/rules.d/ probably |
| 18:04.16 | grendal_prime | ya..well here is the thing..it ran it like, well it backgrounded it basically |
| 18:04.21 | grendal_prime | do i just kill off the process |
| 18:04.25 | wols | grendal_prime: kill ssh |
| 18:04.39 | flokuehn | wols: i already found /etc/udev/rules.d/ but i didnt know where i have to change somthing |
| 18:04.49 | grendal_prime | what i mean by backgrounded it was it just brought be back a prompt like it had ; it into the background |
| 18:04.59 | grendal_prime | all of ssh? |
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| 18:06.05 | grendal_prime | trying to figure out how to set this up for some guys that..well really do not know how to do these sorts of things. they finally at least have linux workstations so i could throw these into desktop shortcuts. |
| 18:06.25 | kalila | when is the best time to start an ebay auction |
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| 18:06.46 | JordiGH | flokuehn: Hm, I can't find anything under kcontrol... |
| 18:07.23 | flokuehn | JordiGH: me too. |
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| 18:07.39 | flokuehn | JordiGH: thank you anyway. i will the follow the udev rules thing |
| 18:07.56 | eject_ck | date shows me Greenwich time |
| 18:08.08 | eject_ck | what I missed during installation? |
| 18:08.31 | JordiGH | flokuehn: I can't believe KDE won't let you set mount options. The config-unfriendly Gnome does let you. |
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| 18:08.40 | JordiGH | looks in Konqueror. |
| 18:08.43 | wols | !tell eject_ck about set the time |
| 18:10.25 | eject_ck | wols, I have correct settings in tzconfig |
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| 18:10.41 | eject_ck | Also I have openntpd installed |
| 18:10.51 | grendal_prime | nevermind..i figured it out...duuuu i was actually loged into the remote system..i just need to exit the ssh session.. |
| 18:10.59 | grendal_prime | man...dumb today... |
| 18:11.00 | vinc456 | which program allows you to "switch user"? (ie: log in as another user) |
| 18:11.16 | Eulex | gdmflexiserver |
| 18:11.18 | wols | vinc456: su |
| 18:11.29 | jelly-home | dpkg: pastebin pipe |
| 18:11.30 | dpkg | jelly-home: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:11.32 | JordiGH | Isn't it called "session manager"? |
| 18:11.35 | Eulex | oh, well, need context |
| 18:11.43 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:11.43 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is probably you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about ... |
| 18:11.52 | jelly-home | dpkg: why do you pretend you know nothing about it? |
| 18:11.53 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jelly-home |
| 18:11.57 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal pastebin pipe |
| 18:11.58 | dpkg | "pastebin pipe" is "Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on sid." |
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| 18:12.08 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 18:12.08 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 18:12.15 | JordiGH | Awww... |
| 18:12.17 | JordiGH | !botsnack |
| 18:12.18 | dpkg | aw, gee, JordiGH |
| 18:12.24 | JordiGH | Don't listen to that meanie jelly-home, dpkg. |
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| 18:12.49 | jelly-home | JordiGH: she doesn't want to tell me about the pastebin pipe |
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| 18:14.05 | JordiGH | Wow, I guess it really isn't available. At least not in KDE 3.5 |
| 18:14.30 | mandel | hi, I like to install debian on my hard disk. I've booted up a Knoppix cd so far to get internet access. Can I install debian from my running Knoppix session? I don't get Internet to work with the installer on the cd. |
| 18:14.45 | JordiGH | mandel: Knoppix isn't Debian. If you install Knoppix, you get Knoppix, not Debian. |
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| 18:15.14 | jelly-home | JordiGH: he didn't install knoppix. |
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| 18:15.35 | mandel | JordiGH, I only have booted up Knoppix to get internet acccess. |
| 18:15.36 | jelly-home | !tell mandel about debootstrap |
| 18:15.45 | psilocyb1n | what is moira_update? it's running on my computer and listening |
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| 18:16.12 | jelly-home | !find moira_update |
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| 18:17.07 | badar | Good day fellow administrators. I have a few questions about problems I ran in to. I tried to set up a web server, and the first question is, can I point domains to my server? Apparently I need to create nameservers. Is that possible on dedicated server? |
| 18:17.08 | Wilde_Sehnsucht | is it possible to shape server's INCOMING traffic? for example some program on the server downloads file and the max speed should be mmm.. 1 Mbps... is it possible? :) |
| 18:17.16 | vinc456` | Eulex: gdmflexiserver did it, thanks |
| 18:17.20 | vinc456` | took out my irc session though |
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| 18:18.15 | slackjr | hi all, i would like to know if debian testing will not have a official xen kernel??? |
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| 18:20.54 | perplexed | this is a headache, why am i only able to shrink this darn volume to 62 gigs when only 24 is being used |
| 18:20.59 | perplexed | i wanted to shrink it to 50 |
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| 18:21.36 | JordiGH | My guess is fragmentation. |
| 18:21.57 | perplexed | needed to fragment first? |
| 18:22.01 | JordiGH | ntfstools, which is what I imagine you are using, can only do so much defragging. |
| 18:22.07 | JordiGH | Yeah, but that's a wild guess. |
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| 18:22.18 | psilocyb1n | so nobody knows about moira? |
| 18:22.19 | perplexed | im using windows vista disk management |
| 18:22.42 | JordiGH | Oh, then don't ask us why Windows won't let you resize the volume. Maybe ntfstools will let you. |
| 18:22.56 | perplexed | hmm |
| 18:23.31 | perplexed | JordiGH: is that on the debian install cd1 disc? |
| 18:23.46 | JordiGH | perplexed: Yes. |
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| 18:24.03 | perplexed | JordiGH: so should i re-extend the vista volume and them just use ntfstools to drive and shrink it the right way again? |
| 18:24.11 | JordiGH | perplexed: Try to see if the Debian installer lets you resize to something smaller. |
| 18:24.19 | perplexed | or just shrink it some more from the installer |
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| 18:24.59 | perplexed | ok |
| 18:25.00 | perplexed | brb |
| 18:25.03 | perplexed | install deb |
| 18:25.05 | JordiGH | perplexed: It shouldn't be necessary to expand it with the installer. |
| 18:25.10 | eth01 | how would i use iptables to ban 38.100.42.25 from :80? |
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| 18:26.06 | Bushmills | eth01: can't they tell you on ubuntu? |
| 18:26.51 | eth01 | ... |
| 18:27.13 | eth01 | if i used ubuntu :-) luckily, i don't |
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| 18:27.58 | Bushmills | eth01: well, i guess is about the same for both: man iptables |
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| 18:31.11 | JyZyXEL | tc class add dev $WAN parent 1:1 classid 1:10 hfsc sc m1 ${U_M1_PRIO}kbit d 15ms m2 ${U_M2_PRIO}kbit ul rate ${UPLOAD}kbit |
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| 18:31.20 | JyZyXEL | any idea how can i find out what the m1 and m2 are? |
| 18:33.05 | badar | DNS question: is it possible to run several domains on one server(dedicated in my case)? Don't laugh please, thanks :) |
| 18:33.21 | Bushmills | badar: yes |
| 18:33.26 | badar | Good |
| 18:33.32 | badar | Is that master/slave stuff? |
| 18:33.44 | jelly-home | badar: no, that's the "zone" stuff |
| 18:33.47 | Bushmills | badar: no |
| 18:33.57 | badar | Or can I install ISPconfig (or any other control panel app) and control all of that from there |
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| 18:34.43 | Bushmills | badar: you can install "panel" stuff but that has not a lot to do with multiple domains |
| 18:34.59 | badar | But it allows the option of controlling them |
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| 18:35.55 | fat-lobyte | Hi! How can I enable the bootlog? I installed the bootlogdeamon, and should start on all runlevels. However, cat /var/log/boot only shows "(nothing has been logged yet)" |
| 18:35.56 | Pryon | badar: who is doing name service for these domains? |
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| 18:36.11 | badar | Apparently domain hosting companies |
| 18:36.18 | badar | like godaddy.. etc |
| 18:36.29 | badar | I'm with GoDaddy |
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| 18:37.08 | Pryon | Well, in order to have web traffic for those domains go to your server, you need DNS to point those domains to the IP address of your server. |
| 18:37.34 | badar | So, instead of nameservers, I just use the IP of my server in GoDaddy in my case? |
| 18:37.37 | Pryon | If you don't control DNS for those domains, the people that *do* have control need to arrange this. |
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| 18:38.12 | Bushmills | badar: you point the A records of hosts in different domains to the same ip address, and you set up the services to server different domains. some don't respond to name in the request at all but to ip address only - no work with those. |
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| 18:38.59 | fat-lobyte | does anybody know how to enable the bootlog? |
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| 18:39.14 | badar | Wow, kind of got confused |
| 18:39.22 | wols | !tel fat-lobyte about bootlog |
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| 18:39.51 | fat-lobyte | !tell fat-lobyte about bootlo |
| 18:39.57 | fat-lobyte | !tell fat-lobyte about bootlog |
| 18:39.59 | badar | I need to point my GoDaddy domains to my servers IP? (instead of name server I use my servers IP). Am I right? |
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| 18:40.26 | JordiGH | !tell fat-lobyte about self tell |
| 18:40.45 | wols | badar: shouldn't you ask godaddy instead? |
| 18:41.06 | badar | it's just an example, cause my domains are there |
| 18:41.07 | Pryon | badar: The name server is the thing that points a name to an IP address |
| 18:41.08 | fat-lobyte | ok, sry. wols just made a typo, and i wanted the info, so... |
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| 18:41.20 | Bushmills | badar: services which can look at request name, such as web servers, can serve different pages, depending on the host name you used to request data form then |
| 18:41.31 | South3rn | Hi |
| 18:41.47 | Bushmills | other services don't - no matter under what host name you connect to them, they give the same result |
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| 18:41.50 | badar | Pryon, thanks that made sense. So basically, name servers are used only to remember them and for ease of use? |
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| 18:42.20 | South3rn | could anyone lend me a hand? I dist-upgraded from etch to lenny last night and now 915resolution is not installed and neither can I try to install it... Does anyone have any clue what's going on?? Thanks on forehand! |
| 18:42.55 | wols | South3rn: why can't you install it? |
| 18:42.56 | Bushmills | badar: look at dor example http://scarydevilmonastery.net and http://verhau.de - they are served by the same server. same apache. |
| 18:43.19 | Bushmills | one responds to one name, the other to the other name. ip addresses are identical |
| 18:43.48 | badar | So, this is my goal actually :D |
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| 18:44.08 | dvs | looks at his forehand |
| 18:44.12 | Bushmills | look at apache virtualHost config |
| 18:44.35 | asarch | The final checksum of "debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso" has failed. Is there any way to "rescue" all those files? |
| 18:44.53 | dvs | asarch: I'd try an rsync |
| 18:45.07 | asarch | rsync? |
| 18:45.12 | dvs | !rsync |
| 18:45.12 | dpkg | from memory, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 18:45.19 | badar | Bushmills: and how do I look at that? (Sorry, not so keen on this stuff) |
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| 18:45.54 | South3rn | wols: it says it's not available, but that there's a package that refers to it... :S |
| 18:45.55 | Bushmills | badar: i'd say you take a web browser and read through the relevant sections of the apache2 docs |
| 18:46.46 | wols | South3rn: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:46.49 | South3rn | wols: I've just noticed that dpkg -l | grep 915 shows it as installed |
| 18:46.57 | South3rn | but I can't do anything :S |
| 18:47.15 | HockeyInJune | tcpdump or dumpcap? And why? |
| 18:47.19 | wols | South3rn: in sid this driver conflicts with 915resolution even |
| 18:47.20 | badar | Bushmills: I took a web browser... |
| 18:47.49 | South3rn | mmm, just got some interesting messages from apt-get |
| 18:47.50 | Bushmills | badar: then this may be of interest to you: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#virtualhost |
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| 18:48.12 | South3rn | gonna work around that, if I don't get anything clear you'll have me bugging around :D Thanks! |
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| 18:49.02 | JyZyXEL | omg hfsc is teh roxor |
| 18:49.46 | Bushmills | badar: and i'd suggest, skip the panel. learn about apache config, not about how to use a particular config panel |
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| 18:50.02 | badar | Bushmills: if I get it right, this kind of process, allows you to run multiple sites on one server wit the help of Apache? Just by editing apache conf file? Am I right? |
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| 18:50.25 | wols | badar: DNS must be set properly too |
| 18:50.41 | JordiGH | Adminning etch for my mom is fun. She got really pissed off with touchpad scrolling. I disabled it for her. |
| 18:50.45 | Bushmills | badar: yes, but there is a twist. an improvment on that idea, actually. read about a2ensite |
| 18:50.50 | Bushmills | man page, for example |
| 18:50.53 | badar | Bushmills: I thought this would be easier, cause you know, editing files for 100 of domains isn't that easy |
| 18:51.14 | JordiGH | It's great. I get all the blame, none of the credit. |
| 18:51.23 | JordiGH | bets this is what a real sysadmin's job is like. |
| 18:51.23 | dvs | !blame JordiGH |
| 18:51.23 | dpkg | blames crashanddie and JordiGH for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 18:51.55 | Bushmills | badar: once you got the hang of it, you'll find it easy |
| 18:52.21 | badar | lol |
| 18:52.36 | JordiGH | And I feel fine |
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| 18:52.41 | crashanddie | eh ? |
| 18:53.09 | Bushmills | t'is like walking. now you do that wihtout having to think about it. |
| 18:53.10 | badar | and a2ensite will help me to speed the process? |
| 18:53.27 | Bushmills | badar: yes,. gives you can small config file per virtual host |
| 18:53.30 | Bushmills | one |
| 18:53.50 | badar | I read it allows you to enable or disable site with 1 string |
| 18:53.53 | badar | hm |
| 18:54.03 | jelly-home | JordiGH: your mom's services are worth more than a typical sysadmin paycheck, though |
| 18:54.15 | Bushmills | badar: right. one command |
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| 18:54.36 | Bushmills | actually, two. you still want to reload apache config |
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| 18:54.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Her services? What, giving me birth? |
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| 18:55.07 | Pryon | nappy changing |
| 18:55.11 | badar | Bushmills: and how reliable is that? |
| 18:55.29 | badar | I mean I will cry if my config file with 100 domains will broke |
| 18:55.30 | jelly-home | JordiGH: and caring for you the last $AGE years |
| 18:55.32 | South3rn | wols: done! Got everything fixed after my dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, or at least apparently hehe |
| 18:55.48 | Bushmills | badar: very reliable. a2ensite just creates symlinks to the virtual host file. |
| 18:55.58 | JordiGH | jelly-home: $(AGE-8) years. |
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| 18:56.11 | badar | Bushmills: could you help me point out my directions now please? What should I have to do, as I'm kind of confused |
| 18:56.12 | ay^ | badar back it up? |
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| 18:56.39 | badar | ay^ that's an option too :) |
| 18:56.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: hah, serves you right for being the computer guy, then! |
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| 18:57.05 | Bushmills | badar: a: read. b: try. c: iterative refinement. |
| 18:57.20 | ay^ | badar: unfortunately one I rarely use.. :( |
| 18:57.32 | badar | ay^ well, we're similar :) |
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| 18:57.42 | Pryon | The apache docs are pretty good. |
| 18:57.54 | HockeyInJune | tcpdump or dumpcap? And why? |
| 18:57.56 | ay^ | talking about backing things up, I have just installe dmy whole system with proper appliacations and all.. now I'd want to back it p s |
| 18:58.29 | ay^ | ..up so I can reinstall at a later time, without remembering every tiny app. is there some nifty app for this? |
| 18:58.47 | dvs | ay^: get-selections? |
| 18:59.00 | dvs | you just want a list of apps you installed? |
| 18:59.17 | ay^ | dvs: no, i want a complete system backup, thats installable, sort of. |
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| 18:59.27 | dvs | ay^: Oh, like amanda |
| 18:59.43 | ay^ | sweet, I'll check it out |
| 19:00.14 | Bushmills | ay^: don't confuse safety copy with backup |
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| 19:01.07 | ay^ | Bushmills: oh.. what is it I want? :( |
| 19:01.12 | n3kl | What do I need to be able to console into a debian machine? Say I buy a mobo with no onboard video, can I install a system without putting a video card on the system at all? |
| 19:01.47 | wols | n3kl: yes |
| 19:01.52 | Bushmills | ay^: you probably want to backup changing files - those you put work in, you may think of safety copy of those which are easiliy reobtainable, |
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| 19:02.17 | n3kl | wols: how? |
| 19:02.17 | wols | n3kl: you don't need any videocard. no onboard either |
| 19:02.17 | Bushmills | or not even, the latter |
| 19:02.18 | \amethyst | n3kl: do you need graphical access, or text only? |
| 19:02.20 | pipeline | vi3t: also, tar |
| 19:02.24 | wols | n3kl: simply install |
| 19:02.25 | pipeline | \amethyst: doesn't matter |
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| 19:02.35 | pipeline | \amethyst: don't need a console for graphics |
| 19:02.40 | \amethyst | pipeline: but that will determine which programs he needs |
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| 19:02.58 | n3kl | This is going to be a router/firewall. I am converting to a fanless system |
| 19:02.58 | badar | Bushmills: Okay, I created files for my enabled sites (just as in a2ensite doc). I think I have to start with the <VirtualHost> tag. I have to put it in apache2 conf right? But if I enter my domain name as in example you gave me, it won't work, right, cause my domains are not pointed to my server, right? |
| 19:03.09 | \amethyst | n3kl: the openssh-server should be sufficient |
| 19:03.09 | badar | brr directory* I mean |
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| 19:03.13 | wols | badar: right |
| 19:03.16 | \amethyst | then |
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| 19:03.20 | n3kl | But I have never consoled into a linux machine before. I know it works similar to network devices and such |
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| 19:03.31 | ay^ | Bushmills: well, I don't want to remember what my xorg.conf looks like, or that I use parano for checking sfv-files graphically etc etc |
| 19:03.32 | n3kl | \amethyst: how do I get to install ssh though? |
| 19:03.33 | cuddles | hi |
| 19:03.34 | wols | badar: no. DNS is not pointer to your server IP. and it has to for this to work |
| 19:03.35 | Bushmills | badar: no. look in directory /etc/apache2/sites-availabe, for example |
| 19:03.39 | Bushmills | available |
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| 19:03.46 | n3kl | \amethyst: I would have to have debian loaded on the machine first |
| 19:03.55 | wols | n3kl: like any other package. |
| 19:04.08 | badar | you guys confuse me |
| 19:04.10 | wols | n3kl: you can install debian on a hdd on another PC for example and then move the hdd |
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| 19:04.35 | wols | badar: DNS for all domains you have must point to your IP. |
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| 19:04.49 | JordiGH | Intellectual property? |
| 19:04.57 | wols | n3kl: there also is a way to headless install but it's harder |
| 19:05.12 | wols | JordiGH: don't be obtuse and confuse him further |
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| 19:05.34 | xand | his internet protocol of course |
| 19:05.38 | Bushmills | ay^: /etc could be a backup candidate. implies, also saving the modification history of files. |
| 19:05.46 | JordiGH | wols: I blame the establishment who won't let me see "ip" now without thinking of the wrong acronym. :-( |
| 19:05.50 | badar | and DNS is considered like name servers in domain hosting companies? |
| 19:05.54 | Bushmills | after all, that's where you put effort and time into |
| 19:06.03 | wols | badar: english please |
| 19:06.11 | Bushmills | badar: DNS is name service |
| 19:06.15 | South3rn | how can I uninstall mysql-server completely ? Including all actual db's ... |
| 19:06.22 | badar | it's name system no? |
| 19:06.24 | xand | what's this dpkg error mean? dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 19:06.25 | wols | South3rn: purge it all |
| 19:06.36 | wols | xand: full output please |
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| 19:06.56 | badar | Bushmills: where do I put <VirtualHost> tag? |
| 19:07.13 | South3rn | wols: I still have the stuff on /var/lib/mysql ... |
| 19:07.31 | Bushmills | badar: new file. for example, in etc/apache2/sites-available give it a good name, maybe the name of the host. |
| 19:07.35 | wols | South3rn: then you didn't purge. dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 19:07.51 | ay^ | Bushmills: I should really read up on what's what and where, but would /etc be enough to backup for complete system restore if something goes haywire with my yar? |
| 19:08.04 | Bushmills | ay^: no |
| 19:08.07 | badar | Bushmille:and in that one file I list all my domains? |
| 19:08.26 | ay^ | I'm loking at "tob" right now, seems like something I could use |
| 19:08.39 | South3rn | wols: apt-get --purge remove mysql-server mysql-client |
| 19:08.39 | South3rn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.58 | wols | South3rn: I gave you a command, what does it return? |
| 19:08.59 | xand | wols: are you going to complain that it's a third party package? :P |
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| 19:09.15 | South3rn | a few things ... |
| 19:09.32 | South3rn | I'm on lenny now and it shows many etch packages ... |
| 19:09.37 | Bushmills | badar: no. you create one file per domain which should show a different web page |
| 19:09.42 | wols | South3rn: then you didn't upgrade properly |
| 19:09.57 | wols | !tell South3rn about etch->lenny |
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| 19:10.00 | xand | anyway, it's here: http://paste.debian.net/6569/ |
| 19:10.01 | Bushmills | badar: you can put several hostname into one of these files, if they are supposed to show the same page |
| 19:10.02 | wols | xand: suit yourself then |
| 19:10.09 | badar | Bushmills: got it, gonna report the process |
| 19:10.21 | Bushmills | badar: don't :) |
| 19:10.24 | vjoe | hey |
| 19:10.27 | badar | lol |
| 19:10.37 | wols | xand: sounds like a truncated .deb file or such |
| 19:10.41 | xand | hm |
| 19:10.46 | wols | xand: or running out of space |
| 19:10.56 | xand | maybe the form |
| 19:10.57 | xand | er |
| 19:11.05 | Bushmills | badar: just make one first, enable it, see whether apache serves files for that domain. |
| 19:11.08 | South3rn | wols: I didn't change etch for lenny on the security repository ... |
| 19:11.27 | Bushmills | badar: once you got one running, the others are trivial |
| 19:11.34 | surfer__ | hm, how do I reload my screen configuration file without killing all my existing screens? |
| 19:11.36 | wols | South3rn: that doesn't explain it |
| 19:12.08 | beardy | surfer__: You don't. |
| 19:12.12 | surfer__ | :( |
| 19:12.16 | SeveredCross | surfer__: However! |
| 19:12.23 | wols | beardy: why not? |
| 19:12.24 | surfer__ | tell me SeveredCross ! |
| 19:12.25 | SeveredCross | You can set the options that are different in-session. |
| 19:12.30 | beardy | wols: How. |
| 19:12.31 | surfer__ | too much |
| 19:12.39 | surfer__ | but thanks anyway! |
| 19:12.42 | SeveredCross | Yeah, that only works if it's a few options. |
| 19:12.47 | surfer__ | brb imma set my new screen :) |
| 19:12.52 | SeveredCross | Good ol' C-a : |
| 19:12.53 | wols | !tell beardy about testing security |
| 19:13.22 | beardy | wols: Any reason for that silly crap? |
| 19:13.26 | xand | wols: first suggestion was right :) |
| 19:13.28 | SeveredCross | Yeah, what was that about? |
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| 19:13.47 | surfer_ | great , done :) |
| 19:13.52 | surfer_ | you have any idea how to rename a screen tab? |
| 19:13.54 | wols | beardy: yes. there are updates :P |
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| 19:14.04 | beardy | wols: What are you talking about? |
| 19:14.14 | wols | beardy: testing security updates |
| 19:14.15 | beardy | surfer_: ^a A |
| 19:14.18 | badar | Bushmills: does anything else has to be in that file, except that Virtualhost tag from the site you gave me |
| 19:14.23 | beardy | wols: Why do you think I run testing? |
| 19:14.32 | surfer_ | :D |
| 19:14.34 | wols | beardy: why should I know (or care)? |
| 19:14.41 | surfer_ | nice :) |
| 19:14.47 | beardy | wols: Why are you telling me about it then? |
| 19:14.58 | Bushmills | badar: everything you want to add, describing how the site is supposed to behave |
| 19:15.05 | wols | oops. sorry. misread something |
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| 19:15.20 | Bushmills | if you want password, add authentication to it. want cgi? add options. |
| 19:15.30 | badar | Ok... |
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| 19:15.50 | badar | So, the next step is to point DNS to my servers IP I guess |
| 19:16.05 | JyZyXEL | just when i thought QoS can't get more fucked up i found the mathematical algorithms it uses |
| 19:16.10 | Bushmills | yes. |
| 19:16.15 | surfer_ | im starting to love my freshly installed debian setup |
| 19:16.20 | surfer_ | with nice screen |
| 19:16.37 | JyZyXEL | surfer_ welcome to the club |
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| 19:17.32 | cuddles | Umm... Yeah. I just moved kmix next to the clock. With my mouse cursor over the icon and scrolling the volume does NOT adjust. But this works on Kubuntu. |
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| 19:18.58 | micahf | anyone have xara xtreme working? |
| 19:19.12 | cuddles | This is really bad. i hope lenny is this perimative. |
| 19:19.21 | cuddles | err not this permiitive |
| 19:20.40 | Bushmills | cuddles: works here. |
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| 19:20.59 | cuddles | not here. |
| 19:21.22 | cuddles | i dragged it from K>Multimedia |
| 19:21.32 | Bushmills | so it doesn't seem to be a structural problem |
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| 19:22.05 | JordiGH | micahf: the Debian packages don't work? |
| 19:22.10 | Bushmills | but more likely to be found in "user environment, settings and preferences" |
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| 19:22.37 | micols__ | how do i print the filename from files i find with find . -iname "*.png" -print ? without using awk/sed , using find only, i think i found a way once , but cannot find it in find's manpage, i want the filename without path in it |
| 19:22.51 | micahf | JordiGH: I'm on mac os x and can't get it to compile and I am looking for someone to do me a really big favor and export this xara file I have to something more usable |
| 19:23.07 | JordiGH | micahf: Then you're offtopic. Let us know if the Debian packages work or not. |
| 19:23.25 | micahf | sorry, I'll move to offtopic |
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| 19:23.35 | JordiGH | micahf: But I guess I could install Xara and try to help you. |
| 19:23.37 | JordiGH | micahf: one sec. |
| 19:23.54 | micahf | JordiGH: I would really appreciate that |
| 19:24.42 | JordiGH | (Hmph, Mac OS X... I want to be self righteous here and say something about how it suits you right for using non-free software, but...) |
| 19:25.15 | xand | ask one of those mac channels |
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| 19:25.36 | cuddles | Bushmills: ok, if i right click K bar and "Add Applet" it works. just a different icon |
| 19:25.40 | dvs | JordiGH: Well, at least it's not MS! ;-) |
| 19:25.51 | JordiGH | dvs: No, it's even worse. It's the next monopolist. |
| 19:26.06 | micahf | JordiGH: I use lots of free software, and I wish I could have as much success with linux and audio as I do with linux and other stuff |
| 19:26.13 | micahf | JordiGH: but I do get my friends to use linux! |
| 19:26.26 | dvs | JordiGH: Monopolist? There ain't no way in h**l that they'll get a majority of users. |
| 19:26.27 | JordiGH | Okay, xaralx works now (and is also non-free). What should I do with it? |
| 19:26.57 | JordiGH | dvs: They already have a monopoly on audio players. My mom doesn't know the difference between an audio player and an iPod. She calls my Samsung player my "iPod". |
| 19:26.59 | micahf | JordiGH: I have a file I will send |
| 19:27.03 | JordiGH | micahf: Sure. |
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| 19:27.55 | cuddles | lexmark x2580, is not listed under add printers. Is there a way for apt to "fetch" more printers? |
| 19:28.06 | dvs | JordiGH: That's MP3 players. How does that relate to free software? |
| 19:28.16 | JordiGH | dvs: Uh, mp3 players have software on them? |
| 19:28.32 | infinitycircuit | if i'm rebuilding a binary with dpkg-buildpackage, how can i get it to increment the version number by 1 |
| 19:28.36 | JordiGH | dvs: And audio players. My Samsung audio player is playing Oggs right now. |
| 19:28.40 | dvs | JordiGH: Can iPod run linux? |
| 19:28.51 | JordiGH | dvs: Various versions can, yes, but not all of them. |
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| 19:33.23 | inigo | how can i get a list of all debian "locales" for a script ? |
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| 19:34.07 | Eulex | inigo, generated or available? |
| 19:34.15 | llamo | why would ./configure say that gcc exists but doesn't work? |
| 19:34.20 | perplexed | man, debian didnt recognize my nic, my wireless or my gfx card |
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| 19:34.38 | Eulex | llamo, do you have libc6-dev installed? in any way, you should install build-essential |
| 19:34.54 | jelly-home | inigo: uncommented entries in /etc/locale.gen? |
| 19:34.54 | inigo | Eulex, the same list that debian-installer has |
| 19:35.23 | inigo | a list of "supported by debian" locales |
| 19:35.30 | jelly-home | inigo: the same one as "dpkg-reconfigure locales" command has? |
| 19:35.31 | inigo | not "by my dbian" |
| 19:35.35 | inigo | yes |
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| 19:35.48 | Eulex | inigo, try /etc/locale.gen, and read the commented lines too |
| 19:35.51 | llamo | Eulex, libc6-dev is installing now, i'll get build-essential too if you think i need |
| 19:36.02 | inigo | thanks Eulex ! |
| 19:36.06 | cuddles | pidgin is not in the repos! 0_0 |
| 19:36.13 | Eulex | llamo, you should get it. |
| 19:36.17 | dvs | llamo: building a kernel? |
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| 19:36.54 | inigo | mmm /etc/locale.gen only has my generated locales |
| 19:37.06 | Bushmills | cuddles: stable? -> gaim |
| 19:37.17 | Eulex | inigo, here it has all, but the ones that aren't generated are commented |
| 19:37.22 | Bushmills | pidgin is testing and beyond |
| 19:37.26 | perplexed | how do i reconfigure my kernel with a new minimal system install? there is no kernel in /usr/src/ |
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| 19:38.06 | Eulex | perplexed, install a linux-source package, extract the archive it installs in /usr/src |
| 19:38.08 | inigo | Eulex, not on my etch :-S |
| 19:38.10 | jelly-home | inigo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.config, but it's not the nicest place to look at. Try something else in the locales package |
| 19:38.13 | Bushmills | or in backports |
| 19:38.23 | Eulex | perplexed, any specific reason you need to build your own kernel, btw? |
| 19:38.28 | perplexed | Eulex: i have no net access on that box |
| 19:38.35 | perplexed | debian didnt recognize my nic, my wireless or my gfx card |
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| 19:38.38 | Eulex | so? |
| 19:38.53 | Eulex | transfer the package manually. |
| 19:38.54 | perplexed | well on this box, im back in my vista environment |
| 19:39.14 | llamo | Eulex, thanks. its working now |
| 19:39.14 | perplexed | what do you mean? |
| 19:39.19 | Eulex | perplexed, what kernel are you running? what nic, what wlan nic and what gfx card? |
| 19:39.22 | inigo | thats fine jelly-home, thanks |
| 19:39.35 | jelly-home | inigo: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED |
| 19:39.42 | zorpo | =/ trying to create an aes-loop volume, getting the following upon losetup: ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length (256 bits) not supported by kernel |
| 19:40.09 | South3rn | - |
| 19:40.10 | perplexed | atheros ar5007 wifi adapter, nvidia mcp67m gfx card, and nvidia nforce networking controller |
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| 19:40.28 | Eulex | mcp67m? |
| 19:40.38 | inigo | jelly-home, i was looking at the locales package files, you have been more fast :) |
| 19:40.55 | perplexed | think its the nvidia geforce 7510 or something like that.. thats what windows has it as.. |
| 19:41.31 | Eulex | very probably the nvidia and nv drivers in etch won't be able to use that, no. |
| 19:41.55 | Eulex | did you install a pure etch or use kmutos installer? |
| 19:42.03 | jahshua | why are debian docs so archaic? |
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| 19:42.12 | perplexed | Eulex: no sorry, its nvidia geforce 7150/ nforce 630m |
| 19:42.22 | Eulex | same situation |
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| 19:42.35 | perplexed | Eulex: pure etch |
| 19:42.37 | Eulex | same generation; that's what matters |
| 19:42.55 | stew | jahshua: please help improve them if you see somewhere that needs improving |
| 19:43.14 | perplexed | Eulex: so i have to reinstall all over again? |
| 19:43.16 | jahshua | stew: i dont have the knowledge to do that. |
| 19:43.30 | Eulex | perplexed, can you transfer a newer linux image package to that box? also, you should try using a new binary nvidia driver |
| 19:43.30 | jahshua | i would hope such a huge tema would have had someone who would. |
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| 19:43.59 | perplexed | well im on vista, i can download kmutos and install it |
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| 19:44.06 | perplexed | download, burn and install |
| 19:44.12 | perplexed | i just got finish installing etch |
| 19:44.15 | perplexed | this sucks |
| 19:44.43 | Eulex | anyway, weren't wols talking to you about the ar5007? did you follow his advice? |
| 19:44.43 | jahshua | perplexed: whats the problem? |
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| 19:45.03 | ay^ | hum.. how do I rm a file called "-g" ? |
| 19:45.06 | perplexed | well i know about that, but my gfx or nic card doesnt even work |
| 19:45.11 | perplexed | isnt even recognized |
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| 19:45.18 | stew | ay^: rm -- -g |
| 19:45.24 | ay^ | thanks stew |
| 19:45.26 | cuddles | Im running etch on an HP Pavilion 310n. Whats a package to run flash/youtube NOT Choppy And not have nspluginviewer crashing so frequently. I installed flash 10 beta because it plays youtube nice and smooth. but KDE Crash Handler frequently pops up reporting on nspluginviewer. |
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| 19:45.46 | pipeline | cuddles: Yeah. There's no workaround for that. Use a different browser. |
| 19:45.47 | cuddles | Is there a way to supress the KDE CrashHandler on a particular program (nspluginviewer) ? |
| 19:45.54 | Eulex | perplexed, you can download stuff in windows, and access your ntfs partition to get them... |
| 19:45.56 | pipeline | oh. That's a possible alternative. |
| 19:46.00 | cuddles | but IceWeasle Sucks. |
| 19:46.10 | pipeline | cuddles: also, flash really, really sucks on non-windows platforms. Sorry. That's the way i tis. |
| 19:46.14 | cuddles | iceweasle plays youtube choppy |
| 19:46.15 | perplexed | so what should i do? |
| 19:46.22 | pipeline | cuddles: And you're stuck with that. |
| 19:46.33 | streuner | cuddles: works here |
| 19:46.35 | perplexed | do i have to do a reinstall? first and foremost? |
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| 19:47.08 | stew | cuddles: you can try gnash, but the only in the respositories doesn't work with youtube, 0.8.3 does though |
| 19:47.12 | Eulex | perplexed, not if you can transfer a recent linux kernel image package onto it, then you don't need to reinstall. your choice. |
| 19:48.12 | clau30 | hi. I got a problem with mount and my usb pen drive. I made it bootable to install kubuntu and it worked just fine. After the installation, it can't be mounted anymore |
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| 19:48.23 | clau30 | [77053.466745] UDF-fs: No partition found (1) |
| 19:48.23 | clau30 | [77053.677659] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 19:48.32 | clau30 | ^^ output from dmesg |
| 19:48.37 | IronRage | are there any packages i should install that just make life easier? |
| 19:48.39 | stew | cuddles: please go to #kubuntu or #ubuntu for help with kubuntu |
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| 19:48.51 | clau30 | stew: I went there |
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| 19:49.09 | clau30 | don't think the problem is kubuntu though |
| 19:49.21 | stew | clau30: you think its debian? |
| 19:49.34 | cuddles | actually, since rebooted. ice weasle is playing youtube ok. |
| 19:49.48 | clau30 | stew: could be on the upstream.. |
| 19:49.49 | perplexed | Eulex: just download a kernel from kernel.org and mount my ntfs partition from my debian env and proceed accordingly? |
| 19:49.53 | perplexed | is that what u r saying? |
| 19:49.56 | jelly-home | gives stew a completion fixing hammer |
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| 19:50.10 | Eulex | perplexed, uh |
| 19:50.27 | perplexed | man, should i just grab kmuto? |
| 19:50.30 | Eulex | perplexed, if you download one from kernel.org, you'll need to compile it. and then you need a compiler etc |
| 19:50.38 | Eulex | perplexed, yeah, I believe that may be simpler |
| 19:50.43 | clau30 | I think the debian ppl are more competent to help in a mount problem :P |
| 19:50.52 | IronRage | lol |
| 19:51.05 | stew | clau30: install debian, then |
| 19:51.08 | jelly-home | clau30: debian ppl can't reproduce your environment |
| 19:51.18 | clau30 | :) |
| 19:51.20 | IronRage | Eulex, is there like a package that has a bunch of system things? |
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| 19:51.28 | clau30 | I know, but at least tell me where to look further |
| 19:51.29 | IronRage | i can't think of its name tho |
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| 19:51.31 | perplexed | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:51.38 | perplexed | which one under amd64 should i grab? |
| 19:51.39 | stew | clau30: #kubuntu |
| 19:51.46 | IronRage | lol |
| 19:52.00 | clau30 | okok, I'll go back to #kubuntu ;) |
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| 19:52.20 | Eulex | IronRage, 'system things'? |
| 19:52.27 | IronRage | ummm |
| 19:52.31 | IronRage | i'm so bad with words :S |
| 19:52.34 | IronRage | autism ftl |
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| 19:52.42 | perplexed | Eulex: any idea? |
| 19:52.45 | perplexed | on which i should grab |
| 19:52.48 | perplexed | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:52.55 | perplexed | using the amd64 arch |
| 19:53.14 | Eulex | perplexed, what will the machine be used for? |
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| 19:54.39 | Eulex | perplexed, if it's a desktop machine: you want a flash and java plugin for your browser, right? because on amd64 you'll have to run a 32-bit browser for that. that's not necessarily straightforward to do. |
| 19:55.00 | xand | that's what nspluginwrapper is for |
| 19:55.13 | jelly-home | would suggest running i386 instead |
| 19:55.29 | xand | dunno if it works with java... but i'd never run i386 on a 64-bit machine :| |
| 19:55.39 | jelly-home | I would, it works. |
| 19:55.55 | xand | 64-bit works great on the 2 laptops and 1 desktop I use it on :P |
| 19:55.58 | perplexed | Eulex: i'd like that, but is there a workaround? |
| 19:56.08 | streuner | someone knows what that is -> "aptitude -vvvvv moo" ? |
| 19:56.10 | xand | I use nspluginwrapper so Flash works fine |
| 19:56.15 | perplexed | cool |
| 19:56.19 | jelly-home | I'll switch to amd64 when multiarch works properly. |
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| 19:57.28 | perplexed | smp doesnt work properly? |
| 19:57.34 | pipeline | multiarch |
| 19:57.34 | perplexed | everything is just too confusing for me now. |
| 19:57.38 | pipeline | as in, mixing two architectures in one system |
| 19:57.40 | xand | smp works fine... |
| 19:57.43 | pipeline | mixing 32 and 64 bit packages |
| 19:58.07 | perplexed | is there a difference in 64 bit and 32 bit pkgs? |
| 19:58.08 | magyar | hi, is there a lftp type "sftp" client available for etch? |
| 19:58.15 | perplexed | does one have a bigger library? |
| 19:58.21 | Eulex | multiarch would indeed be awesome |
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| 19:58.36 | Bushmills | streuner: that;s an elephant, eaten by a snake |
| 19:58.42 | IronRage | lol |
| 19:58.44 | IronRage | i love that one |
| 19:58.46 | streuner | haha |
| 19:58.49 | jelly-home | perplexed: smp works. Some notable nonfree software doesn't have amd64 versions |
| 19:59.07 | Eulex | apt-source build is fun too. DISCOW!!! |
| 19:59.13 | Eulex | eh |
| 19:59.16 | perplexed | so what do you guys recommend? |
| 19:59.19 | Eulex | apt-build moo |
| 19:59.19 | perplexed | 64 bit or 32 bit? |
| 19:59.28 | perplexed | i have an amd 64 turion x2 machine |
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| 19:59.37 | Bushmills | your aptitude has super mastodon power |
| 19:59.41 | jelly-home | Eulex: deadrat and genpoo seem to have multiarch working without many issues |
| 19:59.41 | Eulex | perplexed, for someone who is new to debian, 32-bit. |
| 20:00.03 | Eulex | jelly-home, that's a pity |
| 20:00.18 | jelly-home | Eulex: no, that's good. For them. :-) |
| 20:00.27 | perplexed | but what about when i become familiar, then i'd have to reinstall this system |
| 20:00.30 | Eulex | eh, yeah :) |
| 20:00.38 | Eulex | perplexed, how much ram do you have? |
| 20:00.43 | perplexed | 3 gigs |
| 20:01.04 | Eulex | perplexed, you will be able to use all with a 32-bit os. you will not gain much by using a 64-bit os. |
| 20:02.02 | Eulex | just make sure to use a -686 kernel if you run i386 |
| 20:02.20 | perplexed | i386 on an amd machine? |
| 20:02.26 | pipeline | perplexed: yes |
| 20:02.38 | pipeline | perplexed: the ISA is called "ia32" or "i386", as it was designed by Intel. |
| 20:03.02 | pipeline | perplexed: confusingly, "ia64" isn't x86-64/amd64. It's a totally different arch :X |
| 20:03.07 | perplexed | but arent they 2 completely different processors? |
| 20:03.12 | pipeline | perplexed: Not at all. |
| 20:03.29 | pipeline | perplexed: The architecture, the general term for all compatible chips, is ia32 or i386. |
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| 20:03.35 | perplexed | i see |
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| 20:03.44 | perplexed | Eulex: should i still go with kmuto then? |
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| 20:05.27 | perplexed | im gonna go with the i386 32-bit thing |
| 20:05.34 | perplexed | no performance difference? |
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| 20:07.20 | Eulex | perplexed, there is a difference: i386 is faster in some cases, but slower in other. |
| 20:07.45 | perplexed | so what arch will i get the best performance and stability from? |
| 20:07.57 | perplexed | i386 32-bit or amd64 64-biit |
| 20:08.08 | Eulex | stability: i386. performance: depends on use. |
| 20:08.15 | perplexed | and should i still get the kmuto's iso? |
| 20:08.25 | Eulex | you should |
| 20:08.30 | perplexed | grabbing it now |
| 20:08.33 | perplexed | sighs |
| 20:08.38 | perplexed | this is going to be a long night |
| 20:08.40 | Eulex | if you can get either of your nics working with it, things will be much easier |
| 20:08.50 | perplexed | nods |
| 20:09.12 | perplexed | whats the difference? |
| 20:09.21 | perplexed | from kmutos and the debian iso on the homepage? |
| 20:09.32 | perplexed | just updated a bit more and more hw support? |
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| 20:09.46 | Eulex | kmutos has a newer kernel, and a few extra patches |
| 20:10.29 | CodeBlock | can someone here on lenny/sid give me a copy of their sources.list? deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ lenny main and deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ lenny main apparently don't work anymore. |
| 20:10.30 | perplexed | gotcha, so could i burn disc 2 from the homepage and get some extra pkgs installed just in case i dont get my nic working immediately? |
| 20:10.54 | streuner | CodeBlock: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:11.08 | Eulex | perplexed, a netinst doesn't even include all of cd1 |
| 20:11.27 | perplexed | kmutos is a netinst? |
| 20:11.33 | Eulex | yes |
| 20:11.38 | streuner | CodeBlock: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:11.43 | perplexed | ohh my |
| 20:11.57 | perplexed | what if i dont get my nic working, back to this |
| 20:12.05 | Eulex | you may keep your etch cd1 (if you have one) though |
| 20:12.08 | streuner | you change your nic :-) |
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| 20:12.24 | Eulex | perplexed, then you will have to be transferring stuff through your windows installation. |
| 20:14.06 | perplexed | sighs |
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| 20:18.10 | JyZyXEL | does hfsc require a special NIC? |
| 20:18.43 | streuner | hfsc? |
| 20:19.04 | JyZyXEL | HFSC |
| 20:19.38 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.42 | streuner | !hfsc |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said hfsc was the obvious best choice for fair packet queueing, and the worst choice for n00bs lacking docs. however, http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~crossbow/rp/plugins/hfsc.html has a tolerable explanation |
| 20:20.28 | |Ryan52 | How do you have a server's hard drives be encrypted? Is there a way to put a system on one hard drive, have it boot to that, then you ssh in and unlock the encrypted drive and then switch to the encrypted drive somehow? |
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| 20:22.31 | mandel | Hi again, I have installed a debian base system with debootstrap. But now I need access to dev/hda1 from inside the chroot. What do I have to mount/do? /dev/hda1 is only available outside the chroot. |
| 20:22.46 | wols | mandel: bind mount |
| 20:22.49 | wols | man bind |
| 20:23.25 | Skratz0r | waves |
| 20:23.42 | mandel | wols, do I have to use bind inside the chroot, or outside? |
| 20:23.49 | |Ryan52 | mandel: outside. |
| 20:23.53 | mandel | k |
| 20:24.09 | |Ryan52 | mandel: you bind mount /dev/ to /where_my_chroot_is/dev/ |
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| 20:27.27 | magyar | hi, what is the diff with ln -s and mount --bind ? |
| 20:27.41 | Eulex | uh |
| 20:27.56 | Eulex | mount --bind binds a mounted thing |
| 20:28.04 | Eulex | ln -s creates a symlink for anything... |
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| 20:28.50 | magyar | Eulex: so i I bind a /var/www/html folder to /home/html the var system will not overflow |
| 20:28.52 | magyar | ? |
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| 20:29.19 | magyar | Eulex: /home/html contains the data |
| 20:29.35 | |Ryan52 | magyar: why not use a symlink (ln -s) |
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| 20:29.44 | South3rn | - |
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| 20:29.58 | magyar | |Ryan52: because of permision and so forth |
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| 20:30.09 | mandel | |Ryan52, "bind mount /dev /media/hda1/dev" doesn't give any output, but I don't see /dev/hda1 inside the chroot. |
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| 20:30.31 | |Ryan52 | mandel |
| 20:30.41 | |Ryan52 | mandel: mount --bind |
| 20:30.45 | |Ryan52 | mandel: I think |
| 20:30.51 | |Ryan52 | mandel: man mount |
| 20:31.13 | |Ryan52 | magyar: you need permissions to bind mount too...and either way permissions are the same... |
| 20:31.59 | South3rn | Alex Bau - Halifax Funk |
| 20:32.45 | extor | has anyone tried running solaris on their home PCs instead of linux, since solaris is also free? |
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| 20:33.33 | ay^ | okay I'm back with my quest for system restorability. this is what I want to do. I want to be able to, in case of emergency, re-install my system as it is now, with the same configs and apps, where do I begin? taring every dir in / except /tmp and such didn't do it. |
| 20:33.41 | |Ryan52 | extor: not the right channel, and it aint free. |
| 20:33.55 | Bushmills | magyar, --bind saves your system an additional lookup, as it doesn't need to follow the symlink |
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| 20:33.57 | nolimitsoya | ay^, how didnt it do it? |
| 20:34.26 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: it gave me an error :) |
| 20:34.31 | mandel | |Ryan52, "mount --bind /dev /media/hda1/dev" should be right according to the manpage. But I get this instead: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev, [..]" |
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| 20:34.33 | nolimitsoya | ay^, saying? |
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| 20:34.43 | extor | Well just wanted to compare it to debian |
| 20:34.47 | extor | Its free for home use |
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| 20:34.54 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 20:34.57 | rgr | What is the command to list the UUIDs of my USB external drives? I found the reason for root running out of disk earlier. The bloody UUID appears to not be recognised following an update yesterday and so rsnapshot created the back up into the mount directory rather the USB drive referenced by a certain UUID. |
| 20:35.02 | IronRage | how do i enable audio? |
| 20:35.05 | IronRage | needs his music |
| 20:35.10 | nolimitsoya | ay^, thats nonsensical |
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| 20:35.43 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: oh.. so it should have completed succesfully? |
| 20:35.51 | magyar | Bushmills: my favorite Irish refreshment :) just to clear the above stated. The orig folder has the data the dest folder is kind of a "link" for better term |
| 20:35.57 | |Ryan52 | mandel: sudo mount --bind /dev/ /temp/ |
| 20:36.04 | |Ryan52 | mandel: works for me |
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| 20:36.12 | nolimitsoya | ay^, that, and the error doesnt make sense in itself |
| 20:36.29 | [Jasper] | hello people, I'm doing a install, and want to blacklist a module before installation....what's wrong with the syntax: dmfe.blacklist=yes ? |
| 20:36.34 | mandel | |Ryan52, doesn't work for me :( |
| 20:36.35 | IronRage | how do i enable audio? i can't figure out the terminal command |
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| 20:36.45 | mandel | but thanks anyway |
| 20:36.50 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: yeah it didn't make sense to me either, but I'm rather new to tar so I figured I couldnät handle it properly |
| 20:36.53 | Bushmills | magyar, a symlink is essentially a file, containing the path and name to another file. and the file system is smart enough to follow this reference |
| 20:37.03 | mandel | IronRage, alsamixer* |
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| 20:37.11 | IronRage | mandel ? |
| 20:37.12 | stew | IronRage: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 20:37.14 | nolimitsoya | ay^, anyhow, for an online backup solution, id suggest rsync, and use the backupdir feature to make dated incremetal backups. archives are a pain |
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| 20:37.23 | magyar | Bushmills: roger that! thanks |
| 20:37.59 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: I wont be doing online backup tho |
| 20:38.24 | [Jasper] | hello people, I'm doing a install, and want to blacklist a module before installation....what's wrong with the syntax: dmfe.blacklist=yes ? |
| 20:38.30 | nolimitsoya | ay^, meh, the recommendation still stands for offline :P |
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| 20:38.59 | nolimitsoya | ay^, incremental is the way to go, and rsync already provides the tools |
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| 20:39.24 | [nix]-hack | Is it possible to make the panel look like this http://customize.org/screenshots/58744/download?v=59227 |
| 20:39.25 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: okay I'll check it out, and at the same time google for incremental explanation ;) |
| 20:39.31 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: thanks a bunch btw |
| 20:39.42 | samantha-- | so i have a machine that is consistently losing time. i'll run ntpdate and half an hour later it'll be off again, by a wide margin (5 minutes or more). i reset the clock yesterday, and now it's telling me that it is 1019am. wtf is up with this clock? |
| 20:40.07 | IronRage | ok mandel i did that |
| 20:40.09 | IronRage | and |
| 20:40.14 | nolimitsoya | ay^, an incremental backup is a backup that only backs up the changes since tha last backup |
| 20:40.16 | IronRage | i'm still without audio |
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| 20:40.20 | nolimitsoya | *the |
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| 20:40.55 | ay^ | nolimitsoya: yeah that DOES make sense, once again, thanks a bunch! |
| 20:41.34 | sly007 | Hello, apache keeps complaining about the fact it cannot find my fully qualified domain name. I am hosting dozens of domains name, i don't know if I should use one i am hosting. Then I don't know how to set the domainname |
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| 20:41.51 | mandel | IronRage, you could try to unmute your audio card first (using "alsamixer"). If case the driver is installed already. |
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| 20:41.52 | [Jasper] | guys, how can I do an expert install |
| 20:41.55 | stew | sly007: just ignore it |
| 20:41.56 | [Jasper] | what bootparamaters to give? |
| 20:42.02 | mandel | ok, time for reboot |
| 20:42.18 | sly007 | stew: it comes back everyweek in my cron report |
| 20:42.32 | Bushmills | samantha--: time to think of an ntp daemon |
| 20:42.48 | [Jasper] | anyone here, who knows somethjng about a debian installation? |
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| 20:43.01 | alv1n^ | hi |
| 20:43.10 | stew | [Jasper]: to do an expert install, type "expert" at the boot: prompt |
| 20:43.13 | sly007 | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using x.X.X.X for ServerName |
| 20:43.17 | Bushmills | [Jasper]: nobody here |
| 20:43.24 | sly007 | how come I only get the mail on Sundays? |
| 20:43.31 | sly007 | since it's supposed to be daily |
| 20:43.50 | sly007 | (/etc/cron.daily/logrotate:) |
| 20:43.59 | [Jasper] | hmm it's weird stew, I get Your imagename 'expert' and arguments' have either wrong syntax or describe a label which is not present in silo.conf |
| 20:44.01 | [Jasper] | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:44.20 | jelly-home | sly007: your machine is turned off the other days? |
| 20:44.29 | sly007 | jelly-home: no |
| 20:44.31 | Bushmills | sly executing logrotate daily doesn't mean that the log is actually rotated every day |
| 20:44.39 | sly007 | Bushmills: thanks |
| 20:44.59 | sly007 | But I set up ServerName for all virtualhostes, how come it still complains? |
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| 20:45.22 | stew | sly007: add a ServerName directive to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 20:45.42 | stew | sly007: did you edit /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 from weekly to daily? |
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| 20:45.56 | sly007 | stew: why does it need one here, it's not associated to any documentroot, is it? |
| 20:46.12 | sly007 | stew: i did not edit logrotate.d/apache2 |
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| 20:46.24 | stew | sly007: it does not need one there |
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| 20:46.42 | stew | sly007: if you didn't edit logrotate then you should expect that warning once a week when the log is rotated |
| 20:46.44 | Bushmills | sly007: check /etc/logrotate.d |
| 20:46.56 | [Jasper] | hmm it's weird stew, I get Your imagename 'expert' and arguments' have either wrong syntax or describe a label which is not present in silo.conf |
| 20:47.13 | sly007 | stew: Bushmills: it's weekly in the configuration file |
| 20:47.34 | sly007 | then why do I receive: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: apache2: Could not reliably determine t... |
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| 20:47.45 | stew | sly007: becuase you haven't provided a ServerName |
| 20:48.02 | sly007 | why is it written dayly there! |
| 20:48.03 | sly007 | ? |
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| 20:48.20 | Bushmills | sly007: logrotate looks daily at the config file in logrotate.d. but when logs are actually rotated is determined in that config file |
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| 20:48.36 | sly007 | Bushmills: sounds like a good explanation, thanks |
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| 20:52.11 | [Jasper] | anyone here who knows the command to start an expert installatiokn? |
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| 20:52.41 | extor | type expert at the start of the install |
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| 20:52.54 | extor | expert26 I believe it is in some distros |
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| 20:53.54 | [Jasper] | your imagename `expert` and arguments `' have either wrong syntax, or describe a label which is not present in silo.conf |
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| 20:54.54 | infinitycircuit | [Jasper]: what cd are you using to install? lenny beta 2? etch? |
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| 20:55.42 | [Jasper] | infinity 2.6 netboot image |
| 20:56.12 | stew | [Jasper]: what is infinity 2.6 netboot image? |
| 20:56.57 | [Jasper] | erm |
| 20:56.57 | Selveste1 | Hey - is there a program to countdon to a date in debian ? like if I have an date eg 18/06-2008 can it tell my haw long time to the date ? |
| 20:57.01 | [Jasper] | I didn't type infinity :P |
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| 20:57.14 | [Jasper] | infinity1 asked |
| 20:57.19 | [Jasper] | so I replied to his name stew |
| 20:57.25 | Bushmills | Selveste1: there are toolbar applets for both gnome and kde, of you run either |
| 20:57.25 | [Jasper] | just the debian 2.6 netboot for sparc64 |
| 20:57.26 | Bushmills | if |
| 20:57.58 | Selveste1 | Bushmills - what it its name then ? |
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| 20:58.38 | henux | Hello, from what pkg can i find the man pages for pthread? |
| 20:58.51 | Bushmills | Selveste1: kdoomsday and other i forgot. there's also one in gdesklets |
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| 20:59.25 | Selveste1 | thnx |
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| 21:01.47 | Bushmills | Selveste1: the gdesklets one looks like this: http://photo.verhau.de/people/nick.png (the one saying "341 days..." |
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| 21:04.10 | Phase | Whats the package name for flash on firefox? |
| 21:04.29 | acemi | gnash |
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| 21:04.55 | Phase | thanks. |
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| 21:07.18 | Selveste1 | Bushmills - thnx - can u rember the name on that "plugin" to gdesklets ? |
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| 21:09.09 | acemi | Phase: firefox plugin is mozilla-plugin-gnash but this is the free alternative of flash, not the flash from adobe |
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| 21:09.48 | Bushmills | Selveste1: no. but the one with the name which makes most sense is Countdown2 |
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| 21:11.16 | Selveste1 | it dosen't work on my computer :( |
| 21:11.21 | Selveste1 | but thanx |
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| 21:12.39 | valdyn | Selveste1: the date program can show you any date in seconds |
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| 21:14.20 | Bushmills | Selveste1: i made a script, to run on a webserver, once, which created an image of remaining time in specified units of given ETA, which executed periodically. (was displayed in web pages). that's not difficult to do if that helps. |
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| 21:17.13 | MrBrush | Anyone in here preffering mcedit over vim for programming? |
| 21:17.21 | Bushmills | tuck |
| 21:17.23 | Bushmills | yuck |
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| 21:17.50 | MrBrush | Noone ? |
| 21:18.07 | Bushmills | people here may be strange, but not insane |
| 21:18.10 | Sling | MrBrush : i dont think anyone capable of using vim prefers mcedit for programming |
| 21:18.19 | Sling | does it even have syntax highlighting |
| 21:18.34 | MrBrush | Sling: does VIM have? |
| 21:18.38 | MrBrush | I'm totally vim noob |
| 21:18.43 | zzz | Hi! I' ve a video dvd. I' d like to copy it, but if i make an image with dd, and i burn it with growisofs, i' ll not be able to play it in a dvd player, just on the computer. What should i do to be able to play it in a dvd player? |
| 21:18.43 | MrBrush | never tried wel, but i didn't see it |
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| 21:18.51 | MrBrush | Are there some plugins needed for that or so? |
| 21:18.52 | Sling | vim is nearly omnipotent |
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| 21:19.12 | rahul | vim can't interact with external interactive processes well |
| 21:19.17 | valdyn | zzz: get a dvd player that can play your type of dvd+-r(w) |
| 21:19.19 | rahul | the event loop is pretty crappy |
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| 21:19.56 | rahul | you need an intermediary that creates a new socket between vim and the external process for each command |
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| 21:20.18 | rahul | and so you can't multitask |
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| 21:20.42 | zzz | valdyn: The original dvd (i try to copy) has exactly the same type, and it' s playable with this dvd player (some daewoo model). |
| 21:20.50 | MrBrush | rahul: which tool do you use? |
| 21:20.52 | rahul | well, I think people are working on the proof of concept of the scheme I just mentioned. I'm not sure it actually works |
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| 21:20.57 | rahul | MrBrush: tool? |
| 21:21.00 | valdyn | zzz: the original is a burnt dvd too? |
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| 21:21.18 | MrBrush | application for programming |
| 21:21.20 | rahul | MrBrush: to connect vim to the external process? |
| 21:21.25 | rahul | MrBrush: emacs |
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| 21:21.41 | Bushmills | yeah, we got an editor war coming up |
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| 21:22.25 | valdyn | zzz: you should use the dvd-compat switch in any case, see manpage |
| 21:22.25 | rahul | nah, there's no war. it's just that you can do some things with some editors and not with others. the interaction models are totally different. |
| 21:23.13 | Bushmills | and at the end, MrBrush will be kicked for starting the war, hehe |
| 21:23.19 | sandrinux | wow |
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| 21:23.52 | rahul | Bushmills: nah, I'll be banned |
| 21:23.52 | rahul | because he's the newbie |
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| 21:24.33 | rahul | I still haven't learned my lesson, I guess :( |
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| 21:26.21 | zzz | valdyn: I always used the -dvd-compat switch. I did it last time after this: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Burning_Video_DVDs_in_Linux.html . |
| 21:26.35 | enouf | zzz: some models of players don't like certain types .. not to mention region coding and booktype |
| 21:26.38 | rahul | oh well. I have better things to do now than be insulted by newbies anyway. |
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| 21:27.05 | soulchild | hi all,... does anyone use E17 ? |
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| 21:27.23 | soulchild | i am trying to install on my amd64 but can't find any repos |
| 21:27.36 | zzz | enouf: Actually this model plays other dvd with the same dvd type. This is verbatim -. |
| 21:28.00 | Bushmills | soulchild: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/graph.php?packages=e17 e17-data e17-dev efl-dev e17-dbg&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 |
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| 21:28.27 | Bushmills | sry links needs to be %-ified, hang on |
| 21:28.41 | Wesley_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.44 | Selveste1 | Bushmills - thnx - But I found the problem :D |
| 21:28.58 | Bushmills | soulchild: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213565312020086560.png |
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| 21:29.15 | badar | Anyone encountered with Proftpd installation on Debian? |
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| 21:29.29 | enouf | zzz: so, a certain standalone player won't recognize/play the copy of the one that does play? |
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| 21:30.06 | zzz | enouf: yes, You see it well. |
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| 21:30.55 | soulchild | how do i scroll up on irssi ? |
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| 21:31.35 | stoned_ | fantastic |
| 21:31.35 | grul | it's different in different terminals, but if page up/down doesn't work, try holding shift |
| 21:31.38 | stoned_ | my pc blew up |
| 21:31.45 | stoned_ | it just blew the fuck up |
| 21:31.49 | wedge | stoned_: lol? |
| 21:31.56 | stoned_ | sparks smokes of green/yellow/red/orange/purple kind |
| 21:31.58 | stoned_ | yay |
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| 21:32.07 | soulchild | grul: I tried but since i am in X, i just see what i typed before on xterm |
| 21:32.15 | enouf | zzz: have you passed it the -J and -R options while burning? how about multisession? using a RW media for the copy? inspect using dvd+rw-mediainfo, dvd+rw-booktype, dvd+rw-format .. though perhaps there's some Region Coding ofr ArcoOS crap from Sony mucking you up |
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| 21:33.03 | enouf | s/ofr/or |
| 21:33.08 | grul | soulchild, you can use alt+p and alt+n to scroll up/down too |
| 21:33.17 | grul | but i'm not sure it's the best solution |
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| 21:33.29 | jagardaniel | hello! i got some problems with the installation (debian etch). i use the netinstall, and the "installer" cant found my networkconnection (yes, i have dhcp) |
| 21:33.35 | soulchild | grul: that works, thank you |
| 21:33.41 | jagardaniel | use* |
| 21:33.44 | grul | :) |
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| 21:34.05 | enouf | zzz: it's a shame you can't hook up that standalone player to a computer and parse it for it's capabilities O_o |
| 21:34.20 | enouf | (or can you?, hrm ..) |
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| 21:35.40 | milankundera | türkçe bilen debianci warmi ? ) |
| 21:35.55 | ay^ | wat? |
| 21:35.59 | Bushmills | milankundera: you should know by now |
| 21:36.04 | zzz | enouf: no, i didn' t use -J and -R, but i try it out now. Actually what i make: mount the original dvd i try to copy. I copy the directories from it (video_ts and audio_ts). I make the letters uppercase, umount the dvd, put in a new empty dvd, and: rowisofs -dvd-compat -Z <device> -dvd-video -V "<volumelabel>" directory, but now i try out -J and -R. |
| 21:36.09 | Bushmills | doesn't make a lot of sense to ask that every day |
| 21:36.28 | zzz | enouf: or is there any mistake in my "algorythm"? |
| 21:36.29 | owen1 | i don't have lspci. where do i get it from (or how)? |
| 21:36.34 | zzz | i mean method. |
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| 21:38.14 | grendal_prime | does anybody know if ejabberd 2.X is it just ssl enabled even on port 5222 |
| 21:38.19 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:38.47 | grendal_prime | because it says in the config that enable (depricated) on 5223. |
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| 21:39.09 | owen1 | how do i get the lspci command? i need to find my audio card. |
| 21:39.14 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: it used ssl/tls over 5222 by default, yes |
| 21:39.15 | valdyn | zzz: youre recreating an image, why? |
| 21:39.27 | valdyn | zzz: and if you are recreating the image, use -dvd-video |
| 21:39.29 | Bushmills | uses... |
| 21:39.44 | amphi | owen1: install pciutils |
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| 21:39.57 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: jabberd did ssl to 5223 default. |
| 21:40.19 | owen1 | amphi: thanks |
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| 21:41.06 | amphi | owen1: you might want to do update-pciids as well |
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| 21:41.26 | soulchild | Is there anythign left than: main contrib non-free ? |
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| 21:41.47 | zzz | valdyn: no, i just told what did i last time. Actually there is the -dvd-video switch in the commandline. |
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| 21:42.09 | soulchild | main contrib non-free and that's it, isn't it ? |
| 21:42.32 | zzz | valdyn: for me the easiest would be to make an image with dd, and burn it. |
| 21:42.36 | valdyn | zzz: yes, exactly |
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| 21:43.06 | zzz | valdyn: exactly what? Do You mean i should do that? To make the image simply: dd if=/dev/hdc of=v.iso, and try to burn that? With what command parameters? |
| 21:43.53 | valdyn | zzz: if you have 2 dvd drives you can burn like "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/dev/dvd2" |
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| 21:44.22 | grendal_prime | Bushmills: thanks Hey im haveing to rebuild one of these servers, i can remember how to set upa shared roster..the online help mentions a shared roster link in the web interface..i dont see one though. |
| 21:44.26 | extor | does sed use pretty much standard regex syntax(same as PHP/PERL) or does it have anything unique going on? |
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| 21:44.34 | valdyn | zzz: if you have just one you can just grab the image with dd and burn "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=file.img |
| 21:44.34 | zzz | valdyn: unfortunately i' ve only one drive. |
| 21:44.47 | grendal_prime | i had it setup before..just cant remember how i did it. |
| 21:45.03 | stew | extor: it uses pretty much standard regex syntax, unlike php/perl |
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| 21:45.13 | owen1 | amphi: ok. |
| 21:45.20 | stew | !tell me about search |
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| 21:45.25 | extor | oh so PHP is diff? |
| 21:45.30 | extor | scratches his head |
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| 21:45.32 | zzz | valdyn: well, this was the first i did, but wasn' t playable with daewoo. Actually i need to read about what is this region code mentioned by enouf. |
| 21:45.50 | \amethyst | extor: it uses Basic Regular Expressions, though the GNU version has some extensions |
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| 21:45.50 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: no idea, didn't even know that such a thing existed |
| 21:45.50 | stew | extor: doesn't php use pcre? |
| 21:45.55 | \amethyst | extor: it's very difference from Perl-compatible regular expression |
| 21:46.08 | \amethyst | extor: it's also fairly different from Extended Regular Expressions |
| 21:46.12 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: only roster link i know about is on a per user base |
| 21:47.06 | \amethyst | extor: basically the only special characters are dot, star, square brackets, and backslash |
| 21:47.19 | \amethyst | extor: you use \( \) for groups |
| 21:47.22 | stew | !tell stew about search |
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| 21:47.32 | \amethyst | extor: and \{m,n\} for counting |
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| 21:47.46 | extor | christ! |
| 21:47.52 | \amethyst | extor: most of the nifty features of Perl-compatible REs are not present |
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| 21:48.31 | owen1 | how to control the volume from the cli? i can't hear anything and want to make sure it's not volume issue. |
| 21:48.41 | amphi | alsamixer |
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| 21:49.08 | \amethyst | extor: GNU sed supports -r, which makes it use extended regular expressions. These are still not as powerful as Perl REs, but () | + {} and maybe a few others become special |
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| 21:49.30 | extor | ahh |
| 21:49.59 | \amethyst | extor: man re_format explains the syntaxes, including GNU extensions to basic REs |
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| 21:50.58 | \-- | please can u teach me hw to hack shopadmin |
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| 21:51.38 | owen1 | amphi: how do i install alsamixer? when i do aptitude search alsamixer i see gnome-alsamixer and alsamixergui. is there a text-based version? |
| 21:51.49 | extor | I have this string and I want to strip it of two equal signs at the end, but when I do an 's/==//' it just doesnt seem to work |
| 21:51.50 | jahshua | owen1: install alsa. |
| 21:51.58 | owen1 | jahshua: ok. |
| 21:52.26 | Wyzard | owen1: It's in the alsa-utils package |
| 21:52.30 | amphi | owen1: install alsa-utils |
| 21:52.31 | jahshua | see that, i join the channel and answer a question straight away! |
| 21:52.32 | \amethyst | extor: that will strip the first pair of consecutive equal signs |
| 21:52.32 | jahshua | hehe |
| 21:52.39 | jahshua | now for my turn. |
| 21:52.47 | jahshua | i have a bit of a random question. how many login managers are there for linux? i would like to use one maybe but i dont want kde or gnome bloat, anything that would go nicely with fluxbox? |
| 21:52.52 | amphi | jahshua: but not usefully ;) |
| 21:52.58 | extor | \amethyst, yeah well it didnt do that |
| 21:53.06 | \amethyst | extor: how are you running it? |
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| 21:53.15 | Bushmills | jahshua: display managers? |
| 21:53.21 | jahshua | yes. |
| 21:53.21 | stew | jahshua: apt-cache showpkg x-display-manager |
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| 21:53.30 | ay^ | what is important to backup besides /etc, your homedir and a backup list of installed apps? |
| 21:53.40 | owen1 | Wyzard: amphi great. will do it as well. |
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| 21:53.45 | Bushmills | jahshua: xdm is more compact than gdm or kdm, there are another 3 or 4 |
| 21:54.11 | jahshua | yeah i got them all there. |
| 21:54.12 | jahshua | thanks |
| 21:54.32 | extor | \amethyst, actually it seems to work in sed but I was running it in PHP |
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| 21:55.25 | benjamindees | does building the ndiswrapper module require a built kernel tree? |
| 21:55.37 | enouf | zzz: not sure what to tell ya, IIRC, only one of these options is needed, either (-dvd-compat, or -dvd-video), not both - also, have you tried something like dvdrip or vobcopy to rip the dvd prior to burn? .. apologies, but i'm busy here now for a while |
| 21:56.01 | stew | benjamindees: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:56.12 | benjamindees | has done that |
| 21:56.20 | trifler | erm guys where to I change my font for the termianl? :S |
| 21:56.30 | stew | benjamindees: no, it doens't require a built kernel tree, it requires headers |
| 21:56.35 | Wyzard | zzz: If your DVD is copy-protected you can't rip it with dd (you'll get corrupted data) |
| 21:56.45 | benjamindees | it's all hosed up since the kernel I'm running currently is not the one I want to build against. |
| 21:56.50 | zzz | enouf: no problem. Exactly now i' m trying out dvdbackup, if it doesn' t help, then i' ll try vobcopy, and that' s not, i' ll have no other free dvd :- ). I don' t have now any RW. |
| 21:57.04 | enouf | zzz: sure would help if you had one DVD burner (write) and one DVD-ROM drive (read), and use the command valdyn showed you .. but i couldn't guarantee that would work either, see wikipedia,org for more about ARccOS content copy protections |
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| 21:57.27 | enouf | ok .. /me goes for a few |
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| 21:57.40 | zzz | Wyzard: I don' t know it. This is home made, just about a school movement, so a family movie, not a commercial by a big company. |
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| 21:57.51 | Wyzard | Then it probably isn't copy-protected |
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| 21:58.22 | section31 | how can i find out what dns servers my machine is using, ifconfig doesn't show them |
| 21:58.23 | Wyzard | I don't think it's even possible to burn a recordable DVD with copy protection |
| 21:58.32 | zzz | Wyzard: I think it, too :- ). If it would be write- protected, would dd give back !0 return code? |
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| 21:58.38 | benjamindees | section31, cat /etc/resolf.conf |
| 21:58.40 | Milos | section31: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:58.41 | benjamindees | section31, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:58.47 | section31 | thanks |
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| 21:59.50 | Wyzard | zzz: You're using dd to read from the disc, not write to it |
| 22:00.11 | Wyzard | zzz: Did you mean copy-protected? |
| 22:00.24 | zzz | Wyzard: yes :- ). I know, this was just a question. Yes, i meant that. |
| 22:00.54 | Wyzard | zzz: dd doesn't know or care whether the disc is copy-protected |
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| 22:01.20 | section31 | so how can I have it grab the dns servers from my gateway |
| 22:01.48 | Wyzard | zzz: As I understand it, the way CSS works is that the sectors of the disc are readable normally (by things like dd), but the files are encrypted with a key that's stored elsewhere on the disc and not readable with dd |
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| 22:01.53 | zzz | Well, the rip with dvdauthor is ready. What should i try?: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd /PATH ? Or any additional switch like -J / -R? |
| 22:02.02 | section31 | instead of me manually putting them there |
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| 22:02.21 | Milos | hmm, doesnt dhcp do that section? |
| 22:02.27 | dcnoye | where are the .deb file cached when you install something ? |
| 22:02.36 | zzz | Wyzard: but if dd doesn' t able to read that key out, what can read it out? :- ). |
| 22:02.40 | Wyzard | section31: Typically the DHCP server that's providing your IP address also provides the DNS servers, and your DHCP client puts them into resolv.conf automatically |
| 22:02.53 | zzz | dcnoye: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:02.56 | Bushmills | section31: dns client will do that for you, if there is a dhcp server somewhere, knowing where your dns is |
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| 22:03.00 | dcnoye | thanks zzz |
| 22:03.02 | section31 | dcnoye, i thought I could do a static ip and then use automatic dns servers from gateway |
| 22:03.11 | section31 | i can do that in windows |
| 22:03.24 | zzz | np. |
| 22:03.36 | Bushmills | grr.. dns client , . dhcp client of course |
| 22:03.36 | Wyzard | zzz: getting the CSS decryption key involves exchanging some authentication messages with the drive, I think |
| 22:03.40 | Wyzard | zzz: I don't know the details though |
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| 22:04.05 | zzz | Wyzard: what is that css? I don' t think it' s cascade style sheet.. |
| 22:04.23 | cloakable | zzz: content scrambling system |
| 22:04.37 | Wyzard | zzz: Content Scrambling System, the copy-protection scheme used on video DVDs |
| 22:04.43 | Bushmills | section31: you can use dhcp for static addresses. it's not limited to changing - dynamic - addresses |
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| 22:05.02 | zzz | thanks. |
| 22:05.28 | zzz | so, after ripping with dvdbackup, by burning what switches should i use? |
| 22:05.38 | section31 | what does search do |
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| 22:06.10 | Bushmills | section31: man resolv.conf |
| 22:06.44 | section31 | it keeps putting my gateway as my dns |
| 22:07.00 | section31 | i'm trying to get it to get the dns servers from the gateway |
| 22:07.03 | owen1 | I can't hear youtube video even after raising the volume with alsamixer. lspci -> Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) lsmod -> snd_ac97_codec 83104 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 22:07.09 | Wyzard | section31: The only way your gateway can tell your computer about DNS server addresses is through a DHCP lease |
| 22:07.13 | alperbaba | hello i couldn't use my intel pro wireless network adapter and i couldn't install ipw2200 module can you help me? |
| 22:07.26 | amphi | !ipw2200 |
| 22:07.26 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 22:07.34 | dcnoye | what does all in the name of a deb package mean ? |
| 22:07.39 | Wyzard | section31: and your gateway probably acts as a DNS cache or proxy, so it's appropriate for it to give its own address |
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| 22:08.03 | dcnoye | what does "all" in the name of a deb package mean ? |
| 22:08.07 | Wyzard | section31: Are you expecting it to give you the address of the ISP's DNS servers? |
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| 22:08.18 | section31 | Wyzard, yes |
| 22:08.19 | cloakable | dcnoye: all arches |
| 22:08.25 | dcnoye | ah |
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| 22:08.34 | section31 | Wyzard, but i don't have it set to automatic |
| 22:08.38 | dcnoye | thanks |
| 22:08.39 | section31 | i have it as a static ip |
| 22:08.45 | grendal_prime | i cant find a howto for the shared roster on ejabberd |
| 22:08.46 | cloakable | probably text or configuration files |
| 22:08.50 | grendal_prime | its makeing me crazy |
| 22:09.10 | Wyzard | section31: It can't safely give you the ISP's DNS servers because those can potentially change when the router renews its own DHCP lease from the ISP |
| 22:09.44 | grendal_prime | nevermind |
| 22:09.44 | Wyzard | section31: and it has no way of informing your computer of the change, until your computer renews its lease from the router, which could be hours later |
| 22:10.17 | section31 | Wyzard, so what should i have as my dns servers..should i put them in manually or should i leave them pointing to my gateway |
| 22:10.19 | Wyzard | section31: so instead the router acts as a DNS server to the computers on your network, so that the DNS server address doesn't change |
| 22:10.24 | owen1 | i can't hear anything..any hints? |
| 22:10.39 | Wyzard | section31: If you insist on not using DHCP, put your router's IP as the DNS server |
| 22:10.49 | Wyzard | section31: It'd be simpler to use DHCP though |
| 22:11.06 | section31 | Wyzard, i'm trying to runt his as a server not a client |
| 22:11.11 | section31 | so it needs to be static |
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| 22:12.14 | cloakable | servers can be dhcp :P |
| 22:12.26 | Wyzard | section31: Depending on what kind of "server" it is, it probably doesn't need to be static |
| 22:12.44 | Wyzard | section31: and many routers let you set up static IPs with DHCP anyway (e.g. recognize a specific client by MAC address and always give it the same IP) |
| 22:12.48 | cyberwolf_ | hello, i need some help to compile packets on debian: "configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" i have tried google but nothing helps, any suggestions? |
| 22:13.03 | Bushmills | section31: you can set dns in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:13.24 | stew | cyberwolf_: install build-essential |
| 22:13.54 | trifler | I'm having a trouble I can't get any of the fonts I try to tell the diffrence between single quote (') and backtick (´) apart from eachother they both look the same :S Any ideas? Im guessing it's something else the my choice of font. |
| 22:14.05 | cyberwolf_ | stew, build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 22:14.36 | vjoe | bye |
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| 22:15.33 | owen1 | do i need to run alsaconf to hear anything? |
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| 22:16.02 | ahklerner | !lenny |
| 22:16.02 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
| 22:16.15 | samantha-- | how can i diagnose a massive clock slowdown? it's only running at about 1/3 speed. this causes all kinds of problems, besides an inaccurate clock. i'm also getting bad reporting on transfer speeds, and my throttles aren't working right. |
| 22:16.18 | Gryfelhas | Hi. Is there a simple way to check the name of the internal harddisc on debian etch? (/dev/sda) ? |
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| 22:16.37 | owen1 | !sid |
| 22:16.38 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 22:16.42 | joltcan | Gryfelhas: df? |
| 22:16.51 | cyberwolf_ | can someone else help me? |
| 22:17.00 | Wyzard | owen1: I don't know why people still talk about alsaconf... all it did was set up your system to load the sound driver during startup, and nowadays that's done automatically by hardware detection |
| 22:17.01 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: have a look here http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213568170302667354.png (from the olpc wiki_ |
| 22:17.10 | amphi | owen1: are the channels unmuted? |
| 22:17.11 | Bushmills | http://www.ejabberd.im/shared-roster-all |
| 22:17.17 | Wyzard | owen1: It's been years since I've run alsaconf |
| 22:17.41 | owen1 | amphi: how do i unmute them? |
| 22:17.49 | amphi | owen1: m |
| 22:17.57 | ay^ | congrat me, for today I've been married to the same woman for a whole year straight! and also converted her into a debian user migrating from winxp |
| 22:17.59 | owen1 | amphi: the bars in alsamixer are high. |
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| 22:18.24 | vinilios | is there any way to copy an iso file of a debian install cd to a cf disk ? |
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| 22:18.37 | amphi | owen1: is there 'MM' at the bottom of the bar[s]? |
| 22:18.43 | perplexed | hey |
| 22:18.49 | stew | vinilios: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 22:19.00 | amphi | owen1: master and pcm are the ones you want to look at, probably |
| 22:19.05 | vinilios | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.06 | Gryfelhas | joltcan: Ok, my fault, I 'm looking for the manufactor and the kind of harddisc (it's manufactured name) |
| 22:19.16 | perplexed | i installed the i386 kmuto iso, and my gfx card still isnt being recognized. |
| 22:19.27 | perplexed | how can i recompile the kernel, maybe it isnt enabled? |
| 22:19.41 | perplexed | is there a particular kernel image i can download without inteferring with the system? |
| 22:19.43 | stew | perplexed: what graphics card? what makes you say it isn't being recognized? |
| 22:19.46 | enouf | Gryfelhas: lshal, ls -l /dev/disk/by-* |
| 22:19.46 | Wyzard | wonders what a kmuto iso is |
| 22:19.50 | stew | perplexed: the one you are using now is fine |
| 22:19.53 | owen1 | amphi: yes, i see MM. what about it? |
| 22:19.53 | stew | Wyzard: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:20.08 | enouf | Gryfelhas: use lshal | less |
| 22:20.10 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:20.26 | perplexed | stew: nvidia geforce 7105 / nforce 630m |
| 22:20.27 | Wyzard | owen1: That means muted |
| 22:20.27 | owen1 | amphi: it say [off] |
| 22:20.27 | vinilios | 10x stew |
| 22:20.37 | joltcan | Gryfelhas: cat /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 22:20.39 | perplexed | stew: nvidia geforce 7150 / nforce 630m |
| 22:20.43 | perplexed | im sorry about that |
| 22:20.45 | enouf | cyberwolf_: just a guess, but install devscripts and libc6-dev, ..though ..hrm, is update-alternatives pointing to an older cpp? |
| 22:20.55 | owen1 | amphi: Wyzard: how do i turn it on? |
| 22:20.58 | stew | perplexed: what makes you say it isn't being recognized? |
| 22:21.10 | perplexed | well X wont start |
| 22:21.14 | Wyzard | owen1: Press 'm' to toggle mute on the channel you have selected |
| 22:21.15 | joltcan | enouf: the /dev/disk/by was a nice one |
| 22:21.17 | perplexed | maybe im using the incorrect x driver |
| 22:21.22 | enouf | Gryfelhas: also utils like lshw, hwinfo will help - also dmesg | less |
| 22:21.22 | perplexed | i didnt configure it myself |
| 22:21.25 | perplexed | i let the install do it |
| 22:21.33 | stew | perplexed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:21.38 | enouf | joltcan: aye ;-) good for UUIDs as well |
| 22:21.42 | stew | perplexed: and choose the 'nv' driver |
| 22:21.42 | amphi | owen1: m |
| 22:21.43 | perplexed | ok |
| 22:22.10 | Gryfelhas | Thx alot |
| 22:22.14 | perplexed | how do i mount my ntfs partition from linux? |
| 22:22.21 | perplexed | i need to get this madwifi pkg installed there |
| 22:22.27 | Gryfelhas | @enouf & joltcan |
| 22:22.32 | perplexed | my wireless card isnt being recognized |
| 22:22.36 | enouf | Gryfelhas: dmidecode is another (for any avail specific Mobo info) |
| 22:22.56 | enouf | -> phone |
| 22:22.58 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: you have noticed that % {mod_shared_roster, []}, is commented out in the default config? |
| 22:22.58 | stew | perplexed: do you know the device name? something like /dev/hda2 or /dev/sda1 or something |
| 22:22.58 | joltcan | enouf: obviously I'm not poking around much the last year |
| 22:23.18 | owen1 | amphi: Wyzard: everythig is on. i still hear nothing. |
| 22:23.20 | enouf | good to see ya just the same |
| 22:23.21 | perplexed | stew: im thinking /dev/sda1 |
| 22:23.40 | stew | perplexed: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" would mount it to the /mnt directory |
| 22:24.10 | Wyzard | owen1: Make sure both "master" and "PCM" are unmuted and turned up, and that your speakers are on and plugged into the right place |
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| 22:24.18 | samantha-- | how can i diagnose a massive clock slowdown? it's only running at about 1/3 speed. this causes all kinds of problems, besides an inaccurate clock. i'm also getting bad reporting on transfer speeds, and my throttles aren't working right (eg rsync --bwlimit=x). |
| 22:24.40 | perplexed | stew: thanks |
| 22:24.47 | owen1 | Wyzard: it's on. and the speakers are working on ubuntu (dual boot) |
| 22:25.14 | enouf | joltcan: just remember; 'poking' cane be fun and invigorating :-p |
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| 22:25.20 | enouf | s/can |
| 22:25.46 | joltcan | enouf: absolutely. The problem is of course time |
| 22:26.06 | Bushmills | samantha--: start with watch -n 1 cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 22:26.18 | Wyzard | owen1: All I can think of is to look around in alsamixer and make sure you didn't overlook something, then; different sound cards have different output channels and sometimes their meaning is non-obvious |
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| 22:26.40 | Bushmills | look at topmost interrupt |
| 22:26.40 | enouf | samantha--: any VMs involved? (vmware, xen, qemu, etc) |
| 22:26.49 | samantha-- | enouf: no VMs. |
| 22:27.15 | enouf | samantha--: whose kernel? which version? |
| 22:27.55 | samantha-- | Bushmills, ncat not found. what package? |
| 22:28.10 | owen1 | Wyzard: thanks.. i'll have to digg in debian forums.. |
| 22:28.13 | Bushmills | samantha--: ncat? |
| 22:28.21 | samantha-- | Bushmills, yes. |
| 22:28.34 | stew | owen1: show us the output of amixer ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:28.36 | Bushmills | i didn't say anything about ncat |
| 22:28.43 | owen1 | stew: ok |
| 22:28.47 | enouf | samantha--: and do you mean system time clock? or do you mean cpu freq ticks? or ... and have you toyed with hwclock, rtc, or adjtime{x} ? |
| 22:28.48 | cyberwolf_ | i get "gcc -E" in gentoo and that works fine.. but not in debian when i try that one. |
| 22:29.25 | cyberwolf_ | enouf, newest version and how do i point to an older cpp? |
| 22:29.32 | dryrot | what is the framebuffer x server ? |
| 22:29.37 | Bushmills | hwclock is irrelevant now, you don't want to load from hw clock every 10 seconds. try to find out why your system clock is off. |
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| 22:29.51 | samantha-- | enouf, 2.6.25.4 built using debian tools based on the .config from 2.6.24-1-686. bushmills, i entered your command incorrectly. enouf, no, i haven't jacked with anything like that that i'm aware of. |
| 22:30.08 | enouf | cyberwolf_: as root or sudo; update-alternatives --config cpp |
| 22:30.29 | zyx386 | how run Rescue-Modus on Debian server ? |
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| 22:30.33 | Wyzard | cpp isn't an alternative |
| 22:30.35 | zyx386 | can- |
| 22:30.38 | samantha-- | Bushmills, okay, what am i looking for with /proc/interrupts? |
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| 22:30.57 | wols | dryrot: vesa |
| 22:31.06 | Bushmills | samantha--: how many interrupt 0 do you have per screen update? |
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| 22:31.16 | enouf | samantha--: try booting with hpet=force (just a wild assed guess) |
| 22:31.16 | cyberwolf_ | enouf, There is only 1 program which provides cpp (/usr/bin/cpp). Nothing to configure :-S |
| 22:31.24 | Bushmills | (i.e. subtract one from the previous) |
| 22:31.24 | enouf | cyberwolf_: oh well :-p |
| 22:31.31 | samantha-- | bushmills: 113. |
| 22:31.36 | enouf | cyberwolf_: ls -l /usr/bin/cpp |
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| 22:31.40 | samantha-- | on cpu0. (this is a dual-core box) |
| 22:31.48 | Bushmills | samantha--: how much time passes between two screen updates? |
| 22:32.25 | samantha-- | Bushmills, officially 1 second. really, between one and a half and two seconds, because the clock is running so slowly. it's even affecting things like, for example, key repeat rate. |
| 22:32.55 | Hammar | when backing up an audio-cd for personal use: assuming i have enough ram, could i not let my favourite run-of-the-mill ripping application write the temporary .wav files to memory instead to disk? how would i do that? |
| 22:33.00 | Bushmills | samantha--: is the 113 more or less constant, or changes by a big margin? |
| 22:33.10 | samantha-- | Bushmills, constant. |
| 22:33.24 | samantha-- | doesn't change from one refresh to the next. 113 on cpu0, 0 on cpu1. |
| 22:33.28 | Wyzard | Hammar: Your ripping application presumably expects to be writing to files in a filesystem |
| 22:33.41 | enouf | the 0 on cpu1 is due to APIC, iinm |
| 22:33.41 | Wyzard | Hammar: If you have a tmpfs mounted somewhere, you could tell it to put its .wav files there |
| 22:34.02 | Bushmills | samantha--: you compiled your kernel yourself? |
| 22:34.39 | enouf | likes Wyzard 's suggest for tmpfs mount |
| 22:34.49 | zyx386 | how can reboot debian server with SSH connect? |
| 22:35.04 | samantha-- | Bushmills, yeah. stock 2.6.24-686 config, with make oldconfig for the new options all default, initrd with debian tools, built into a debian package. most frustrating. i was attempting to solve a usb problem that turned out to be resolved by putting in a different usb card. |
| 22:35.06 | Wyzard | zyx386: log in with ssh and run "shutdown -r now" |
| 22:35.11 | Bushmills | samantha--: grep ^CONFIG_HZ /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 22:35.34 | Wyzard | samantha--: Have you tried the stock kernel to see whether that has the clock problem? |
| 22:35.39 | zyx386 | Wyzard, thanx |
| 22:35.42 | cyberwolf_ | enouf, no diff :/ |
| 22:35.43 | enouf | samantha--: when you built it, "based on .config from 2.6.24-1-686" did you run make oldconfig prior to make menuconfig? |
| 22:36.06 | enouf | cyberwolf_: erm, that should've produced a result |
| 22:36.07 | samantha-- | enouf: yes. |
| 22:36.17 | Hammar | Wyzard: tmpfs is mounted by default, just wasnt sure if i could use it as a user. apparently i can, question answered, thanks :) |
| 22:36.30 | enouf | samantha--: welp, you likely screwed something up, massively :-P |
| 22:36.32 | Hammar | *non-root user |
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| 22:36.51 | enouf | samantha--: try , and/or use a debian kernel :-) |
| 22:36.55 | Wyzard | Hammar: You may have several tmpfs mounted by default, but they're not in places where users are supposed to be creating files |
| 22:37.03 | samantha-- | bushmills: CONFIG_HZ_250=y, CONFIG_HZ=250 |
| 22:37.13 | owen1 | stew: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2e3d97ec |
| 22:37.14 | Wyzard | Hammar: e.g. /dev |
| 22:37.27 | enouf | Hammar: kernel ./Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt is informative |
| 22:37.28 | owen1 | stew: it't amixer result. |
| 22:37.34 | cyberwolf_ | enouf, not even with 2.95 :( |
| 22:37.50 | enouf | cyberwolf_: dude, i'm out of ideas :-/ |
| 22:38.02 | Hammar | Wyzard, enouf: reading now, thank you |
| 22:38.14 | Bushmills | samantha--: your clock advances 27 seconds per minute? |
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| 22:38.30 | cyberwolf_ | ok :( tnx anyway |
| 22:38.38 | perplexed | stew: what did you say i type again? xorg is currently using the nv driver which isnt working |
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| 22:38.56 | cyberwolf_ | sux to not b able to compile a single pack :( |
| 22:39.03 | perplexed | i tried to manually install the appropriate wifi pkgs, but it needs the path to the current kernel |
| 22:39.08 | samantha-- | Bushmills, more or less. |
| 22:39.10 | perplexed | nothing is in /usr/src/ |
| 22:39.12 | Wyzard | perplexed: It's possible that the version of the nv driver in etch doesn't support your GPU (but I don't know for sure) |
| 22:39.29 | perplexed | possibly, i know it isnt working |
| 22:39.41 | wd3 | omg guys please tell me what apps these are :) http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=11926619694854368cf182e&p=screen |
| 22:39.44 | perplexed | and how can i get the kernel image for the kernel im using now? |
| 22:39.44 | Wyzard | You might need to use the non-free nvidia one |
| 22:39.50 | stew | perplexed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:40.23 | Bushmills | samantha--: seems to me that your PIC has been programmed to divide clock to 113 Hz while linux thinks it should be 250, looks like an interrupt controller issue. |
| 22:41.16 | Bushmills | or, interrupt masking. EOI not given timely. |
| 22:41.34 | samantha-- | Bushmills, first suggestion is to switch back to a stock kernel? |
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| 22:41.59 | Bushmills | samantha--: yes, try that. that way you can exclude hardware as a potential cause |
| 22:42.34 | perplexed | i dont think it is going to work |
| 22:42.38 | perplexed | still using the nv driver |
| 22:42.40 | perplexed | which isnt working |
| 22:42.58 | stew | perplexed: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:44.10 | perplexed | in the terminal basically its saying 'no screens found' no devices detected |
| 22:44.33 | perplexed | i can barely do anything in this terminal |
| 22:44.46 | stew | !no screens found |
| 22:44.46 | dpkg | from memory, screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 22:44.58 | Bushmills | perplexed: terminal operation should not be affected by X not running |
| 22:45.20 | perplexed | cant paste or anything, bout to install gpm |
| 22:45.35 | stew | perplexed: just upload it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 22:46.00 | stew | perplexed: pasting it would be tedious and error prone |
| 22:46.15 | owen1 | stew: did u have a chance to look at my amixer result on pastebin? http://debian.pastebin.com/d2e3d97ec |
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| 22:47.03 | stew | owen1: yeah, i don't see anything wrong there |
| 22:47.29 | owen1 | stew: how about reboot? maybe it's the flash player? |
| 22:47.43 | Wyzard | stew: How would one get text from a Linux console into an input box in a browser (also running on the Linux console) other than by pasting it somehow? |
| 22:47.51 | perplexed | sighs |
| 22:48.03 | owen1 | stew: i can try download an mp3 and get a simple player to test it. |
| 22:48.12 | stew | Wyzard: hit the browse button, browse to the file in the file dialog, hit send |
| 22:48.15 | badar | Bushmills: I did some progress over here, but I'm currently stuck at the DNS part. In my domain hosting, it requires me to enter 2 name servers, but I have only 1 server IP. So I tried to follow this guide http://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 but nothing kind of worked |
| 22:48.42 | perplexed | trying to figure out how to do this |
| 22:48.53 | Bushmills | badar: are you registering domains atm? |
| 22:48.57 | amphi | Wyzard: you can w3m spawn $EDITOR for a multiline edit field |
| 22:48.58 | perplexed | what pkg is the kernel image? |
| 22:49.05 | perplexed | for which i am currently running |
| 22:49.17 | Wyzard | stew: ah, didn't notice the file-upload input |
| 22:49.42 | Wyzard | perplexed: linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 22:50.12 | badar | Bushmills: No, they are already registered, and I try to point them to my server. From the domain panel (GoDaddy in my case) |
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| 22:50.36 | perplexed | Wyzard: so why isnt it in /usr/src if its already installed? |
| 22:50.45 | stew | owen1: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 22:50.46 | Bushmills | badar: then you're busy with the wrong thing. you need to add A records to the already registered domains |
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| 22:50.52 | format_c | badar: does your DNS server listen on udp/tcp port 52? |
| 22:50.57 | format_c | 53 sry |
| 22:50.57 | stew | owen1: if not, load it and restart whatever you are using |
| 22:51.01 | owen1 | stew: how can i test it? |
| 22:51.06 | wd3 | what's the proper way to get kde desktop from simple fluxbox install in sarge with backports, because my attempt failed |
| 22:51.07 | Wyzard | perplexed: because /usr/src is for source code, not compiled kernels |
| 22:51.07 | perplexed | madwifi pkgs are looking for the kernelpath |
| 22:51.07 | format_c | check witth netstat -tuln |
| 22:51.20 | datapolitical | I'm having trouble getting the debian installer to recognize my network drivers |
| 22:51.34 | Bushmills | badar: where you need 2 name server is when you register a domain, and specify which name servers should resolve records in it. |
| 22:51.37 | datapolitical | i'm using an Asus P5K WS |
| 22:51.41 | Wyzard | perplexed: To build third-party kernel modules you need the kernel headers |
| 22:51.42 | badar | Bushmills: where do I do that? |
| 22:51.48 | Wyzard | perplexed: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:52.00 | owen1 | stew: lsmod ? |
| 22:52.00 | Bushmills | badar: i can tell you where i do that, but not where you would. |
| 22:52.19 | badar | And why is that? |
| 22:52.40 | Wyzard | perplexed: It'd be a good idea to install the headers metapackage, alongside the image metapackage you probably already have (e.g. linux-image-2.6-686 -> linux-headers-2.6-686) |
| 22:52.46 | owen1 | stew: snd_ac97_codec 83104 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 22:52.56 | Bushmills | badar: because i have no idea how your dns setup looks like. what dns you use, where they are, whether they are admistered by yourself or not. |
| 22:52.59 | perplexed | nods |
| 22:53.08 | perplexed | stew: having a problem getting this text to you |
| 22:53.14 | perplexed | log text |
| 22:54.09 | Bushmills | badar: and even if i knew where your dns are, if you don't run them yourself, i'd have no idea how to use the frontend provided by your dns provider |
| 22:54.44 | badar | Bushmills: Here's the thing. I own dedicated hosting. I got sick of my current web hosting company, so I decided to be independent and host my sites myself, with the help of the dedicated server. I own domains at GoDaddy, which were pointed to my old hosting, now I want them to point to my new server. Hope this helps |
| 22:55.11 | Bushmills | badar: no. do you run your own name servers? |
| 22:55.21 | badar | No |
| 22:55.37 | Bushmills | badar: there is the difference. i do. i don't know who runs yours. |
| 22:55.59 | Wyzard | GoDaddy does, most likely |
| 22:56.19 | Wyzard | unless the dedicated-server company has asked you to use theirs |
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| 22:56.33 | Bushmills | badar: in that case, you'd ask somebody who knows the godaddy user interface to editing zone files |
| 22:56.59 | owen1 | stew: i can't see any snd-pcm-oss when i run lsmod. |
| 22:57.43 | Wyzard | owen1: snd-pcm-oss is the legacy OSS emulation driver, and is only necessary to play sound from programs that aren't ALSA-aware |
| 22:58.09 | Wyzard | owen1: If it isn't loaded, such programs will think there's no sound card (e.g. they'll probably give an error message) |
| 22:58.44 | badar | Bushmills: So I'm kind of screwed? The GoDaddy offer nameservers if the sites are hosted at them. But I want them to be hosted on my dedicated server |
| 22:58.45 | owen1 | Wyzard: what should i do? |
| 22:59.12 | Bushmills | badar: no you're not. you just need to figure out how to add A records to your zone files. |
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| 22:59.21 | Bushmills | ah. |
| 22:59.28 | Bushmills | you want to run own name servers |
| 22:59.38 | Bushmills | ("But I want them to be hosted on my dedicated server") |
| 22:59.45 | Wyzard | owen1: Load it if you want to, but for your troubleshooting, use something like aplay that uses ALSA directly |
| 23:00.13 | Wyzard | badar: GoDaddy doesn't let you use their DNS servers if you don't also use their hosting service? |
| 23:00.24 | Bushmills | badar: granitecanyon.com offers free dns hosting, i think |
| 23:00.27 | datapolitical | anyone willing to give advice on using the Asus P5K for netinstall |
| 23:00.41 | Wyzard | badar: See if your dedicated-hosting company has DNS servers (they ought to) |
| 23:00.53 | owen1 | Wyzard: how? |
| 23:01.05 | Wyzard | owen1: how what? |
| 23:01.12 | Bushmills | http://www.granitecanyon.com/ |
| 23:01.23 | badar | Wyzard, can't find anything actually, maybe anyone knows such big company as OVH? |
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| 23:01.38 | Wyzard | badar: You could email their tech support and ask |
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| 23:02.11 | badar | And what if they don't have nameservers? |
| 23:02.38 | Wyzard | badar: then, if GoDaddy really doesn't let you use theirs, you'll need to find a DNS provider |
| 23:02.46 | owen1 | Wyzard: how to load snd-pcm-oss? |
| 23:03.05 | Wyzard | badar: like the aforementioned granitecanyon, though I don't know how much I'd trust the reliability of a free hosting service |
| 23:03.09 | Wyzard | owen1: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:03.27 | Wyzard | owen1: I'm surprised if it's not loaded automatically though |
| 23:05.03 | zyx386 | how can is test server if mode_write on or of? |
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| 23:05.37 | owen1 | can you recommend a tiny mp3 player, that support alsa ? (prefer command line) |
| 23:05.40 | perplexed | w/quit |
| 23:05.53 | Bushmills | owen1: mpg321 |
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| 23:06.00 | owen1 | Bushmills: thanks |
| 23:06.10 | zyx386 | sory mode_rewrite |
| 23:06.40 | Wyzard | zyx386: Are you talking about Apache mod_rewrite? |
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| 23:08.47 | micols__ | i am trying to delete all rows from a table in sql, is there a mysql command for this, i use mysql(1) ? |
| 23:08.50 | micols__ | perhaps select * from dbname, then rows.delete? or something :) |
| 23:08.58 | perplexed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.40 | owen1 | Wyzard: Bushmills: mpg321 plays the audio! maybe my issue is the flash player? |
| 23:09.48 | Wyzard | micols__: You can't delete things with a select |
| 23:10.09 | Wyzard | micols__: delete from table; |
| 23:10.22 | Wyzard | micols__: or, the more efficient way: truncate table |
| 23:10.41 | perplexed | anyone know which driver to use for an nvidia 7105m / nforce 630m gfx card? |
| 23:10.45 | Bushmills | owen1: no idea. i don't even know what your issue us. but in case of doubt, flash is the culprit. |
| 23:10.46 | owen1 | Wyzard: Bushmills: i can't hear any youtube stuff. |
| 23:10.47 | Wyzard | micols__: (followed by the table name, e.g. "truncate table foo" |
| 23:11.04 | micols__ | whats the difference between those |
| 23:11.08 | perplexed | the nv driver isnt working |
| 23:11.08 | Wyzard | perplexed: If nv doesn't work, your only option is the non-free nvidia one |
| 23:11.09 | micols__ | truncate and delete from |
| 23:11.27 | Wyzard | micols__: "delete from" supports a where clause, so you can delete specific rows |
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| 23:11.40 | micols__ | truncate is more efficent you say? |
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| 23:11.44 | perplexed | Wyzard: how do i get it? |
| 23:11.45 | Wyzard | micols__: but because of that, it has to search the table and remove rows basically one-by-one |
| 23:11.55 | micols__ | right, makes sense |
| 23:12.00 | perplexed | how does the line supposed to look that i put in my /etc/apt/source.list |
| 23:12.01 | Wyzard | micols__: truncate just unconditionally removes all the table data in one fell swoop |
| 23:12.10 | micols__ | truncate does that just remote the index? |
| 23:12.17 | stew | perplexed: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:12.26 | perplexed | thanks |
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| 23:12.42 | stew | perplexed: oh, to get the non-free driver? nevermind |
| 23:12.48 | perplexed | hmm |
| 23:12.49 | Wyzard | !tell perplexed about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:12.59 | Wyzard | perplexed: You need contrib and non-free in sources.list |
| 23:13.14 | perplexed | i have to use a different kernel? |
| 23:13.21 | perplexed | how does the whole line look, im new to debian. |
| 23:13.29 | perplexed | can barely maneuver in this terminal |
| 23:13.44 | zyx386 | Wyzard, yes |
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| 23:14.02 | zyx386 | i wll know if on or of is ? |
| 23:14.27 | Wyzard | perplexed: No, you don't have to use a different kernel |
| 23:14.34 | Wyzard | perplexed: nvidia-kernel is a module |
| 23:15.01 | hatter | if a usb drive is automounted with gnome-volume-mananger, then unplugged, does that count as one more closer the drive needing a fsck ? |
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| 23:15.37 | Wyzard | probably |
| 23:15.47 | azeem | hatter: it's the mounting, not the unmounting that counts I think |
| 23:15.52 | Wyzard | though you shouldn't do that anyway (assuming you mean unplugging it without properly unmounting it) |
| 23:16.09 | hatter | Wyzard, yes i mean hot swapping usb drives |
| 23:16.10 | perplexed | Wyzard: how does the non-free line look? |
| 23:16.11 | Bushmills | owen1: but i'd consider it as an advantage if flash keeps your speakers silent |
| 23:16.11 | Bushmills | now you just need something against those disturbing animations |
| 23:16.21 | perplexed | just like all the rest with non-free at the end? |
| 23:16.27 | micols__ | mysql -u olsen -pmypass pictures "truncate table foldermap;" what is wrong with this syntax ? |
| 23:16.35 | micols__ | it just prints a command list out |
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| 23:16.51 | micols__ | pictures is my dbname, foldermap is my table i want truncated data in |
| 23:17.29 | hatter | azeem, not sure what you mean, if a filesystem is removed without being unmounted, ie a power outage, then it is counted is an unclean unmount ? |
| 23:17.42 | hatter | or unclean mount |
| 23:17.57 | azeem | it's unclean. |
| 23:18.03 | azeem | so it should get fsck'd |
| 23:18.09 | dondelelcaro | hatter: you can turn off the mount count if you want, but it's up to you. |
| 23:18.17 | azeem | I thought you were talking about the mount count |
| 23:18.19 | micols__ | e2fsck can do that |
| 23:18.24 | hatter | dondelelcaro, where is this done ? |
| 23:18.32 | azeem | tune2fs |
| 23:18.43 | micols__ | whops, sorry, azeem is right. |
| 23:19.11 | hatter | so usb automount is not really safe in linux ? |
| 23:19.16 | micols__ | Wyzard: do you know what is wrong with that syntax? |
| 23:19.22 | hatter | since it doesnt autoumount ? |
| 23:19.24 | Wyzard | perplexed: Find your existing line that has "main" at the end, and put "contrib non-free" after "main" |
| 23:19.34 | azeem | hatter: what is autoumount? |
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| 23:19.55 | perplexed | ok thhanks |
| 23:20.00 | azeem | hatter: knowing you will plug out the usb device in a couple of seconds by telepathy, and umounting then? |
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| 23:20.11 | Wyzard | micols__: No, I don't; I rarely use MySQL since I don't like it very much |
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| 23:20.28 | Wyzard | micols__: As a guess, maybe it doesn't want the semicolon at the end of the command when you specify it on the command line like that |
| 23:20.29 | hatter | azeem, the point of automounting a usb drive is hot-swappability |
| 23:20.35 | micols__ | who cannot like mysql ?:) |
| 23:20.41 | perplexed | !tell perplexed about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:20.43 | dondelelcaro | hatter: no, it's convenience. |
| 23:21.04 | micols__ | Wyzard: name a few things which are wrong with mysql in your oppinion :) |
| 23:21.06 | stew | hatter: the potential for damage can be lessened if you mount the filesystem with the 'sync' option, but you really should unmount before you pull out a drive |
| 23:21.14 | perplexed | hmm that one liner is screwed |
| 23:21.22 | azeem | hatter: hot-sit is? |
| 23:21.24 | zyx386 | Wyzard, |
| 23:21.27 | azeem | oops, lag |
| 23:21.29 | perplexed | there is no nvidia-settings or nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 23:21.42 | hatter | azeem, um, hot-sit ? |
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| 23:21.48 | stew | perplexed: is there some reason you'd rather use the non-free driver instead of the free driver? |
| 23:21.48 | Wyzard | perplexed: That's because you haven't put non-free in your sources.list and run "apt-get update" yet |
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| 23:22.03 | Wyzard | stew: The free one doesn't work for his GPU |
| 23:22.11 | stew | Wyzard: how do you know that? |
| 23:22.22 | Wyzard | stew: because he's been trying to get it to work for the past hour |
| 23:22.23 | stew | Wyzard: the error he got was "no screens found" not "no devices detected" |
| 23:22.39 | stew | Wyzard: and his sync/refresh settings are correct? |
| 23:23.07 | hatter | perhaps a combination of gnome-volume-manager and autofs... |
| 23:23.08 | perplexed | Wyzard: i was missing contrib.. |
| 23:23.09 | perplexed | sorry |
| 23:23.23 | Wyzard | stew: no idea; I wasn't closely following all his efforts |
| 23:23.24 | perplexed | stew: well i was told to try the non-free driver, 'nv' isnt working |
| 23:23.46 | perplexed | stew: they should be. i couldnt paste my X |
| 23:23.47 | Wyzard | stew: I just told him that *if* nv doesn't support his GPU, he'll need to use nvidia |
| 23:24.16 | zyx386 | stew, how can know if mode_rewrite on or of ? |
| 23:24.25 | Wyzard | zyx386: Look at your apache configuration |
| 23:24.35 | stew | zyx386: for apache or apache2? |
| 23:24.44 | Wyzard | zyx386: Look for "RewriteEngine On" in particular |
| 23:24.45 | zyx386 | that isn't my server |
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| 23:24.57 | perplexed | 28-60 horiz and 43-60 vert refresh |
| 23:25.06 | Wyzard | zyx386: You should still be able to look at the configuration |
| 23:25.15 | stew | perplexed: they should be what? |
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| 23:25.22 | zyx386 | in which file? |
| 23:25.22 | stew | perplexed: your card is supported by the free driver |
| 23:25.37 | perplexed | it is? |
| 23:25.39 | stew | yes |
| 23:25.42 | Wyzard | the etch version of it? |
| 23:25.42 | perplexed | so what is the problem then? |
| 23:25.57 | stew | perplexed: your server is mis-configured |
| 23:26.30 | perplexed | can i msg u the Xorg.0.loh? |
| 23:26.32 | perplexed | log* |
| 23:26.34 | perplexed | cant paste it |
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| 23:26.40 | stew | perplexed: why can't you paste it? |
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| 23:27.37 | perplexed | im in these terminals and i cant paste it anywhere, cant figure out how to do it |
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| 23:28.20 | stew | perplexed: use a web browser and hit the browse button on http://paste.debian.net and hit send |
| 23:28.32 | th1 | lol |
| 23:28.33 | stew | perplexed: or /msg dpkg pastewihoutx ; or /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 23:28.53 | th1 | stew, point to a faq instead ;) |
| 23:29.04 | stew | th1: which? |
| 23:29.17 | th1 | uh.. "basic IRC introductory faq" ;) |
| 23:29.25 | hatter | where is the mount count stored for any particular mount ? |
| 23:29.29 | stew | th1: he's not having any problems using irc |
| 23:29.40 | Wyzard | hatter: The mount count is in the filesystem's superblock |
| 23:29.40 | th1 | sorry |
| 23:29.58 | azeem | hatter: in the filesystem superblock I believe |
| 23:30.07 | th1 | apologizes for being a *bit* too trigger happy after a father's day drinking outing |
| 23:31.28 | hatter | can the mount count be shown ? |
| 23:31.50 | Wyzard | hatter: Assuming it's an ext2/3 filesystem, run "tune2fs -l" on it |
| 23:32.00 | hatter | Wyzard, cool, thx |
| 23:33.11 | Wyzard | wonders why hatter is so concerned with mount counts |
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| 23:34.08 | hatter | Wyzard, because some remote boxes get the reset button pressed and at some stage they are not going to reboot quickly when the mount count hits 37... |
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| 23:34.55 | Wyzard | then stop people from pressing the reset button on them when they shouldn't :-) |
| 23:34.56 | octox2 | I ran a X11 program through ssh, and how do i detatch it from the console so i can get my prompt back and still use the x11 app that i just loaded? |
| 23:34.57 | hatter | Wyzard, also becuase i want to use external usb hard drives as backup storage for some servers, where the customer just hot swaps the usb drive |
| 23:35.30 | hatter | Wyzard, well, 'shouldnt' and 'has a negative effect' arent always equal |
| 23:36.20 | Bushmills | hatter: tune2fs /dev/<partition> | grep "^Mount count" |
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| 23:36.48 | perplexed | stew: go to channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:36.51 | Bushmills | oh. a bit late. |
| 23:36.57 | perplexed | the newest paste about the x windows system is me |
| 23:37.00 | hatter | Bushmills, thx |
| 23:37.02 | perplexed | thats the Xorg.0.log |
| 23:37.05 | hatter | can the mount count be changed ? |
| 23:37.45 | Bushmills | hatter, man tune2fs |
| 23:37.53 | hatter | Bushmills, ok thx |
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| 23:38.49 | Wyzard | hatter: If you set the "maximal mount count" to 0, the filesystem will never be checked on the basis of its mount count |
| 23:38.56 | Wyzard | hatter: There's no need to reset the mount count itself |
| 23:39.28 | hatter | Wyzard, ah cool, thx |
| 23:39.53 | Wyzard | hatter: For hotplugged drives I don't think it matters anyway; IIRC mount just prints a warning telling you that you *should* run fsck |
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| 23:40.45 | hatter | Wyzard, oh, thats good, i like the idea of autofs, apparently can mount and umount when you ls the directory |
| 23:41.08 | hatter | and umounts a period you set, like a few minutes after access |
| 23:41.23 | hatter | so, as azeem said, telepathically knowing you are finished :) |
| 23:41.58 | TonyRad | hello. I'm trying to upgrade to lenny but I'm hitting a problem.. In the upgrade process I keep getting to the upgrade of glibc and it says I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.8. I checked my current kernel, which is 2.4. I can't get the kernal to upgrade though.. Could anybody help? |
| 23:41.58 | perplexed | stew: any ideas? |
| 23:42.04 | hatter | i dont know if it works with autumounted drives yet though |
| 23:42.15 | Wyzard | TonyRad: yikes, that's an old kernel |
| 23:42.28 | Wyzard | wonders if 2.4 kernels are even supported on etch |
| 23:42.44 | TonyRad | Yeah.. I noticed today my sources file was out of date and still pointing to sarge |
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| 23:43.13 | justin | TonyRad: probably a good idea to upgrade to etch first |
| 23:43.17 | hatter | yikes |
| 23:43.34 | TonyRad | Well.. I thought I did upgrade to etch.. But it looks like it didn't get the kernal with the update |
| 23:43.35 | hatter | i agree with justin |
| 23:43.54 | perplexed | stew: ping |
| 23:44.01 | octox2 | if i type dpkg --configure ipopd-ssl, it tells me it is installed and already configured. Is there a way to redo the configure for it ? |
| 23:44.03 | perplexed | Wyzard: did you see my paste? |
| 23:44.05 | Wyzard | TonyRad: You definitely need to upgrade to etch first -- skipping releases isn't supported |
| 23:44.25 | TonyRad | Right |
| 23:44.34 | badar | Anyone, how can I set up A records for my server? |
| 23:44.43 | badar | To point them to my servers IP |
| 23:44.57 | TonyRad | Well, I just set my sources to pull from etch and I'm running the update/upgrade |
| 23:45.13 | Wyzard | badar: That's something to be done with whoever's providing your DNS servers |
| 23:45.33 | TonyRad | How do I actually get my kernel updated though? it doesn't seem to want to change it... |
| 23:46.11 | Wyzard | perplexed: The only error message in that entire log is "no devices detected" |
| 23:46.22 | justin | TonyRad: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 or such |
| 23:46.25 | Wyzard | perplexed: which indicates that the driver couldn't find a supported GPU |
| 23:46.46 | perplexed | exactly, i tried changing nv to nvidia and i still have no luck |
| 23:46.54 | perplexed | i did what u said and tried reconfiguring x as you said |
| 23:46.56 | perplexed | no luck |
| 23:47.01 | Wyzard | perplexed: and there's no occurrence of 7100 in the big list of supported GPUs... 7100 is what you said you have, right? |
| 23:47.01 | perplexed | this card has to be supported |
| 23:47.08 | Wyzard | perplexed: This output is from the nv driver, not the nvidia driver |
| 23:47.10 | perplexed | 7105, yes |
| 23:47.14 | perplexed | i know |
| 23:47.19 | justin | perplexed: what does lspci say you have. |
| 23:47.20 | perplexed | i tried the nvidia driver also however |
| 23:47.27 | TonyRad | justin.. When I try that I get a message saying I should explicitly select one to install and gives me a big list... Which one do I use? |
| 23:47.48 | justin | TonyRad: the one for the cpu that you have |
| 23:47.55 | Wyzard | TonyRad: What type of processor do you have? |
| 23:47.55 | perplexed | it says 'nvidia corporation unknown device' |
| 23:48.04 | Bushmills | perplexed: what does lspci | grep VGA show? |
| 23:48.04 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.10 | Wyzard | perplexed: Run update-pciids, then lspci again |
| 23:48.25 | Wyzard | perplexed: That should resolve the "unknown device" |
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| 23:49.04 | perplexed | it lists my card now |
| 23:49.22 | perplexed | nvidia corporation geforce 7150 |
| 23:49.25 | TonyRad | I think I know which to install |
| 23:49.44 | perplexed | thats after a lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 23:50.40 | Wyzard | I wonder if perhaps the etch version of the nvidia driver is too old to support the 7150 too |
| 23:50.52 | Wyzard | but even nv says it supports the 7600 and 7800, so that seems unlikely |
| 23:52.43 | perplexed | hmm |
| 23:52.52 | perplexed | what do you think is the prob? |
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| 23:53.10 | justin | Wyzard: hard to tell, nvidia model numbers make no sense |
| 23:53.24 | perplexed | when i try to use the nvidia kernel module it says failed to load nvidia module |
| 23:53.33 | Wyzard | perplexed: As mentioned, it looks like the nv driver doesn't support your card |
| 23:53.39 | perplexed | screens found 'but have nmo usable configuration' |
| 23:53.40 | Wyzard | perplexed: What error message did you get from the nvidia driver? |
| 23:53.47 | perplexed | let me paste |
| 23:53.48 | Wyzard | oh, that's different |
| 23:53.57 | Wyzard | That means you didn't install the kernel module |
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| 23:54.08 | Wyzard | Did you follow the nvidia one-liner? |
| 23:54.20 | perplexed | yes sir |
| 23:54.25 | perplexed | exactly as you said |
| 23:54.34 | perplexed | it took me to the x config afterwards |
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| 23:54.41 | perplexed | and i configed it and ran startx |
| 23:54.46 | TonyRad | hmm.. now I have a 2.6 and 2.4... will that be ok? |
| 23:54.46 | perplexed | let me paste the log |
| 23:54.51 | justin | perplexed: just use 'vesa', that should work |
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| 23:55.03 | Wyzard | perplexed: Does "lsmod | grep nvidia" return any output? |
| 23:55.32 | perplexed | nope |
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| 23:55.44 | Wyzard | How about "modprobe nvidia" ? |
| 23:56.09 | randall | how do i install my wireless for debian its a intel wireless onboard card |
| 23:56.20 | stew | randall: which chipset? |
| 23:56.41 | perplexed | FATAL: no nvidia module found |
| 23:56.51 | perplexed | modprobe -l lists nvidia-agp |
| 23:56.55 | Wyzard | perplexed: you don't have nvidia-kernel installed |
| 23:56.56 | perplexed | and nvidiafb |
| 23:57.01 | perplexed | i did install it |
| 23:57.03 | Wyzard | perplexed: nvidia-agp and nvidiafb are unrelated |
| 23:57.09 | perplexed | i ran the command as you said |
| 23:57.25 | octox2 | why didnt someone make a --reconfigure switch for dpkg rather than a different command called dpkg-reconfigure ?? |
| 23:57.27 | perplexed | actually |
| 23:57.28 | Wyzard | perplexed: What kernell are you running? |
| 23:57.31 | TonyRad | I think I'm up to etch now.. What's the best way to verify? |
| 23:57.35 | Tapout | how long is it usually .. before postgresql 8.3.3 is in aptitude? |
| 23:57.43 | perplexed | Wyzard: actually it says it has no installation candidate |
| 23:57.51 | perplexed | its referred to by another package |
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| 23:58.21 | Wyzard | perplexed: which is why I asked what kernel you're running... the nvidia-kernel packages are built for specific supported kernels, and you might be running an old/unsupported one for which there's no nvidia-kernel available |
| 23:58.33 | justin | Tapout: /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 23:59.17 | perplexed | Wyzard: 2.6.5-2-486 |
| 23:59.21 | perplexed | this is the kernel from kmuto |
| 23:59.31 | Wyzard | perplexed: That's... rather old |
| 23:59.35 | Wyzard | perplexed: as in, pre-sarge |
| 23:59.41 | stew | its a typo |
| 23:59.44 | randall_ | how do i install my wireless for debian its a intel wireless onboard card |
| 23:59.48 | Wyzard | oh, 2.6.25 |
| 23:59.53 | stew | randall: which chipset? |
| 23:59.56 | perplexed | yea 25 |
