IRC log for #debian on 20080616

00:00.23perplexedWyzard: btw, check out the debian pastebin again
00:00.23perplexedi pasted the new Xorg.0.log with the nvidia module listed
00:00.23Tapoutahh... postgresql-8.3 is only 4 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in.
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00:00.50randall_if i get my wireless set i be all good lol
00:00.51owen1i downloaded flashplayer 9 for iceweasel. i can't find the file. i do: find / install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
00:00.52perplexedso im missing the module, what do i do?
00:01.13WyzardIn that case you'll need to use module-assistant to build an nvidia-kernel package for your 2.6.25 kernel; there's no pre-built one for that kernel
00:01.35Wyzardbut I don't think the nvidia driver in etch supports 2.6.25 kernels
00:01.45justinowen1: that is the wrong command
00:01.50justinowen1: the file is wherever you saved it to
00:02.02justinowen1: if you don't know where you saved it to, just download it agian and pay more attention this time
00:02.07stewrandall_: we can't help you without knowing which intel wireless you have.  'lspci' should help you discover it, if you don't know
00:02.11hatterdid i read somewhere the the vmware module is getting integrated into a kernel release at some stage ?
00:02.15jahshuahello, i am quite confused. i have some wireless network settings in the /etc/rc.local .. i have set it to be executable with chmod +x .. now if i run it just from the command line ie. /etc/rc.local it grabs an ip and connects me no problem but when i reboot it hangs when dhclient tries to get an ip and is unsuccessful, can anyone help me out please?
00:02.26perplexedso what do i do?
00:02.38justinjahshua: put wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces where they belong
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00:03.03Wyzardhatter: The VMI interface used for paravirtualization has already been merged
00:03.04jahshuajust im not having any luck in there with anything i do.. i have been trying. :( ill try again.
00:03.05randall_ok
00:03.12sladiperplexed: the newest nvidia driver installer should work in 2.6.25
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00:03.33Wyzardhatter: The VMware Tools modules haven't, but I believe they've been open-sourced (there are open-vm-tools packages) so maybe they will be someday
00:04.10sladiowen1: I think it should be 'find -name foo' and you should be in /
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00:04.22owen1justin: the default in firefox is the desktop. where is my desktop in debian. i'ts no under ~
00:04.38randall_did yall get what hardware i had
00:04.43hatterWyzard, ah, thx
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00:04.50Wyzardperplexed: downgrade your kernel to one that's supported by etch's nvidia driver, or use the nvidia driver from unstable
00:04.52justinowen1: uhhh, probably that directory in ~ called "Desktop"
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00:05.16Wyzardperplexed: The latter is a rather tall order because I don't think the newer nvidia driver works with etch's xorg, so you'd have to upgrade xorg too, and at that point you can't really say you're running etch anymore
00:05.17perplexedWyzard: just installed module-assistant
00:05.19Vicfredhi, there is not synaptic on xfce?
00:05.20justinWyzard: I don't think the nvidia driver in etch supports that card anyway
00:05.22perplexedhmm
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00:05.26Vicfredhow do i install it? ><
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00:05.37justinVicfred: what is "it"?
00:05.42Wyzardperplexed: Let's summarize it as "etch does not support your video card"
00:05.52perplexedYIKES!
00:05.56Vicfredhi, there is not synaptic on xfce? <-- its synaptic
00:05.57stewjustin: probably not.  the nv module does
00:06.05stewperplexed: the nv module supports your card
00:06.10perplexedit doesnt
00:06.14Wyzardstew: No it doesn't
00:06.16justinstew: and i'm sure the vesa driver does too
00:06.20stewjustin: yes, and vga
00:06.24stewperplexed: how do you know?
00:06.26BushmillsVicfred: there is synaptic, and there is xfce. they have nothing to do with each other, and therefore one isn't "in" the other.
00:06.27perplexednvidia geforce 7105
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00:06.37perplexedits not in the list in my X
00:06.39owen1justin: i found it in /.root  what is this folder?
00:06.47perplexedx
00:06.48stewperplexed: what list?
00:06.54Wyzardstew: http://paste.debian.net/6580 -- note the "(EE) No devices detected." and the lack of any mention of 7150 in the big list of supported GPUs
00:07.18perplexedwhat is going on
00:07.18justinowen1: it wouldn't be in /root unless you did something stupid like ran firefox as root
00:07.18perplexedsorry guys, something it flooding me over here
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00:07.24perplexedin my psmouce.c Touchpad msgs
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00:07.30perplexedim not even using touchpad
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00:07.37Wyzardstew: I'm sure newer versions of nv support perplexed's GPU, but the etch version does not
00:07.44perplexedin my Xorg.0.log list
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00:08.11randall_Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) is my wireless
00:08.12perplexedso what do i do?
00:08.24justinperplexed: tell X to use the vesa driver!
00:08.25Wyzardperplexed: I told you your options already
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00:08.33owen1justin: whoami return root.  how do i run ff with no root?
00:08.34perplexedi got flooded guys
00:08.42perplexeddidnt get a chance to read them thoroughly
00:08.47perplexedsome stupid kernel msgs
00:08.48justinperplexed: press control-l
00:08.55perplexedaah
00:08.57perplexednice
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00:09.09Wyzardperplexed: Downgrade your kernel to one that etch's nvidia driver supports (why are you using 2.6.25 in etch anyway?) or upgrade a bunch of stuff to testing/unstable in order to use a newer nvidia driver
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00:09.24VicfredBushmills, hmm synaptic doesn't work on xfce?
00:09.26owen1justin: i guess i need to wait sometime in case i do su.
00:09.26Wyzardperplexed: or, I suppose, use the vesa driver and suffer horrible performance (it's completely unaccelerated)
00:09.34perplexedbecause i was told to use kmuto if i want to get my wireless card working
00:09.51perplexednow i have this problem
00:09.52perplexedi cant win
00:10.06BushmillsVicfred: it does. just as about any other X program
00:10.20owen1justin: let's say i do su.   i have to wait a few minutes untill i'll automatically become regular user,  i guess.
00:10.24perplexedhow do i use a different kernel that etch's nvidia driver supports?
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00:10.34perplexedi want performance.
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00:10.39BushmillsVicfred: it is not xfce- or other window manager/desktop environment specific
00:10.41ribnitzheyas
00:10.45dutchfishhi, i am strugling for 2 days now with a weird problem in lenny. On shutdown "something" crashes after syslog deamon stopped. First i thought it was klogd/sysklogd. I updated even libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i386 to sid. I am amd4. It now appears to be crashing of GDM. Anyone can help tracin git?
00:10.54justinowen1: uhhh no. once you 'su' you are root until you exit
00:11.04owen1justin: ok
00:11.07Wyzardperplexed: You'd have to install one of etch's 2.6.18 kernel packages
00:11.18perplexedwhat command?
00:11.20justindutchfish: how do you know that "something" crashes
00:11.44Wyzardperplexed: Or consider using another distribution, such as Ubuntu 8.04, which ships with a newer kernel and newer drivers and should support your wireless card and GPU out-of-the-box
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00:11.58ribnitzRecommendations for a media player (audio) for x11 (that somewhat incorporates into XFCE?)
00:11.58randall_how do you change your system time mine is off 4 hours
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00:12.12perplexedand will my atheros ar5007 wifi card work?
00:12.16perplexedWyzard: hmmm
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00:12.24sladijustin: ctrl-l I always wondered abut it thanks
00:12.30perplexedpulls out his hair
00:12.36dutchfishjustin, got fault messages just aftre those on shutdown, then process xxxx failed (red), i searched my logs hi and low, nothing, because syslog deamon is already down then
00:12.40Bushmillsrandall_: if hardware clock is good,  hwclock --hctosys
00:12.41jahshuajustin: do i use iwconfig in the interfaces file or no?
00:12.50jahshuai cant tell from the man page.
00:12.56Wyzardperplexed: I have no idea whether your wireless card will work in 2.6.18
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00:13.02Wyzardperplexed: but if someone told you it won't, chances are it won't
00:13.16perplexedWyzard: ubuntu a good distro?
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00:13.37abrotmanwhichwifi card?
00:13.42dutchfishjustin, before process xxx failed it sits there for 2 seconds then the machines shutdown/power off
00:14.13Bushmillsrandall_: otherwise, use  date   for manually setting, or chronyc (with chrony) or  ntpdate (which ntp) for setting from network servers
00:14.18Wyzardperplexed: Ubuntu isn't bad; it's less suitable for servers than a Debian stable release but focuses more on working well on personal desktops
00:14.28dutchfishjustin, i am on lenny amd64. It is a intel cpu duo-core E8500
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00:14.57randall_ok ty
00:14.58dutchfishjustin, how can i trace those message into a file?
00:15.07Wyzardperplexed: You could also upgrade to Debian testing or unstable, but unless you're an expert, Ubuntu would be a better choice
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00:15.13perplexedWyzard: I see. i have an amd turion 64 x2, should i go with the amd64-bit install of ubuntu, or stick with the 32 bit verzion?
00:15.14BushmillsWyzard: (there seem to be a lot of problems with horny hamster, according to what i read)
00:15.27ribnitzperplexed:  It is more focused on the desktop user; release cycles are shorter too..
00:15.30sladiribnitz: xffmedia
00:15.47perplexedi hate hardware
00:15.48PhaseHow would I load the kernel module 'vboxdrv' and make sure it loaded each boot?
00:15.48perplexedthis sucks
00:15.53perplexedi wanna keep my debian install
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00:15.59Wyzardperplexed: Either the 32-bit or 64-bit would work
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00:16.32Wyzardperplexed: If you go 64-bit you can't use Adobe Flash or the Sun Java browser plugin, if you care about those things (there are no 64-bit versions of them yet)
00:16.44Wyzardperplexed: but other than that it's not much different...  I've been running amd64 Debian for a year and a half and it's fine
00:16.58Bushmillsperplexed: 64 bit is useless in most but some special cases
00:16.59ribnitzWyzard: I'd guess there is a 64 bit version of java plugin?
00:17.09Wyzardribnitz: doesn't exist
00:17.19perplexedso should i just go with ubuntu?
00:17.24Wyzardribnitz: You can download 64-bit Java from Sun but there's no browser plugin in it
00:17.28ribnitz64-bit machines don't use java?
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00:17.58Wyzardribnitz: Java itself works fine; I use Eclipse and Azureus regularly
00:18.00perplexedi doubt my wifi card it still supported out-of-the-box with ubuntu
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00:18.03Wyzardribnitz: Java 7 will reportedly have a 64-bit plugin
00:18.24Wyzardperplexed: If it doesn't need non-free firmware that has to be installed manually, it probably will work
00:18.27ribnitzWyzard: I would expect nothing else. Some sparc processors are 64 bit.
00:18.29ma3xwhy the scrolling in iceweasel is not smooth? it skips
00:18.42Wyzardperplexed: Even if it does need you to install firmware manually, it shouldn't be too hard to do
00:18.45owen1how to find mozilla's installation path?
00:18.55perplexedok, going to install ubuntu
00:18.56perplexedbbl
00:18.59Wyzardperplexed: For reference, installing the nVidia driver in Ubuntu consists of clicking a checkbox
00:18.59perplexedsighs
00:19.12perplexedi dont want that much simplicity
00:19.15perplexedi wont learn anything
00:19.19perplexedsounds like mandrake to me
00:19.36ribnitzperplexed: you will be able to work.
00:19.36WyzardWell, you can still use aptitude or synaptic or whatever; it's based on Debian and is fairly similar overall
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00:19.45ribnitzperplexed: and not be distracted by admin stuff
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00:20.13Wyzardbut the first time you boot up you'll get an icon bubble saying that a non-free driver is needed to get full performance out of your hardware, and you click on it and it opens a window where you can install the nVidia driver
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00:20.25perplexedi see
00:20.28dutchfishjustin, i even change to inetutils-syslogd instead of klogd/sysklogd still the same, so thats not it
00:20.32owen1how can i find the installation path of an app?
00:20.42perplexedthanks guys
00:20.47perplexedbeen big helps
00:20.52ribnitzowen1: man which
00:20.54perplexeddarn geniuses..
00:21.03perplexedill be back when i get ubuntu installed
00:21.03owen1ribnitz: thanks
00:21.28Wyzardperplexed: Be aware that Ubuntu isn't supported here though (#ubuntu is for that)
00:21.28ribnitzowen1: thats not the installation path though. thats the path to the executable.
00:21.53perplexedsee, i wanna keep debian then
00:21.53perplexedi like the crowd
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00:21.56perplexedshould i just go with lenny?
00:21.57dutchfishjustin, so my main question is how to trace shutdown errors?
00:22.07Wyzardperplexed: You could do that
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00:22.24Wyzardperplexed: There's currently no nVidia driver at all in lenny though; you'll have to grab the one from unstable
00:22.39Wyzardperplexed: which I *think* now at least works with the xorg in lenny (a month or two ago, that wasn't true)
00:22.43perplexedlenny is testing, so i might as well go with sid which is unstable rigt?
00:22.51Wyzardperplexed: correct
00:22.53justindutchfish: "fault messages"?
00:23.24dutchfishjustin, yes
00:23.24perplexedso i just change my sources.list accordingly and then do what?
00:23.24Wyzardperplexed: Keep in mind that sid isn't supported the way etch is, and does break sometimes
00:23.24sladiperplexed: I use lenny amd64 and it's fine. flash works through nspluginwrapper only java plugin is missing
00:23.24Bushmillsperplexed: not sid
00:23.37justindutchfish: try running 'shutdown now'
00:23.37owen1ribnitz: i am installing flash player and it ask for the installation path of mozilla.
00:23.37Wyzard!tell perplexed about sid
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00:23.51Wyzardperplexed: edit sources.list and dist-upgrade if you want to run it
00:24.00justinowen1: try /usr/lib/iceweasel
00:24.04Wyzardperplexed: but heed the warning from that factoid
00:24.12dutchfishjustin, i did that, but what good is it?
00:24.23justindutchfish: the machine won't turn off
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00:24.38perplexedso go with unstable or lenny?
00:24.43owen1justin: worked
00:24.49dutchfishjustin, a excellent, brb
00:24.52Wyzardperplexed: unstable == sid
00:24.53Bushmillsperplexed: sid *is* unstable
00:25.11perplexedsladi: i have an amd64 sys, but right now im in kmuto i386 32bit
00:25.22perplexedwhen i do this systyem change, can i move back to amd64?
00:25.29jahshuajustin: i have done what is on the bottom of this webpage .. http://tulrich.com/geekstuff/debian_tricks.html
00:25.37Wyzardperplexed: You can't change from 32-bit to 64-bit without reinstalling completely
00:25.39perplexedlenny and sid is different right?
00:25.43perplexedWyzard: ok
00:25.49Wyzardperplexed: lenny == testing; sid == unstable
00:25.53perplexedexactly
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00:25.59perplexedso should i go with lenny or sid?
00:26.04sladiperplexed: I want 64bit for rendering. unless you have a reason, go with 32bit
00:26.19TonyRadStupid question.. What is the actual difference between testing and unstable?
00:26.23perplexedi just changed every occurence of etch with 'unstable' in my sources.list
00:26.27perplexedis that cool?
00:26.32justinjahshua: and?
00:26.41jahshuaits not working.
00:26.45jahshua:(
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00:27.29BushmillsTonyRad: packages are move to testing from unstable only when considered good enough
00:27.33Bushmillsmove
00:27.35Bushmillsd
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00:28.36Bushmillsi.e. in general, testing won't eat your harddisk
00:29.12jahshuafor the sake of baby jesus and all thats holy.
00:29.15perplexedhey Wyzard
00:29.19perplexedi just changed every occurence of etch with 'unstable' in my sources.list
00:29.20jahshuamakes 0 sense.
00:29.32perplexedapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
00:29.48Wyzardperplexed: If you're sure you want to run sid, yes
00:29.52jahshuaperplexed: you might want to upgrade to testing first.
00:29.53dutchfishjustin, gdm[2980]: segfault at 8006946c8 ip 7f127cbef9cf sp 7fff88311cc0 error 6 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1600.3[7f127cb79000+bb000]
00:29.56jahshuaand then go to unstable.
00:30.06perplexedso testing is more stable than sid?
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00:30.11jahshuayes
00:30.19perplexeddoes testing support my hw?
00:30.28jahshuaits also preferable to upgrade to testing and then to unstable.
00:30.33jahshuaperplexed: i have no clue.
00:30.47Bushmillsperplexed: depends on what you all "stable". let's call the programs "better tested"
00:30.57Wyzardperplexed: It should
00:31.02perplexedok, ill do the incremental upgrading
00:31.05perplexedok testing it is
00:31.06jahshuayes.
00:31.19Wyzardperplexed: However, testing currently has no nvidia driver at all, so if you want 3D acceleration, you'll have to use the one from unstable
00:31.35Wyzardperplexed: (If you don't need 3D acceleration, you can use the nv driver)
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00:31.44dutchfishjustin, on normal shutdown there is more like shutting down gdm failed
00:31.59DeformativeWhy isn't gdm running it's configuration files?
00:32.06ribnitzWyzard: I am unable to get 2.6.25 to work with the nvidia driver (some versioning issues), so I am at 2.6.24...
00:32.11DeformativeInit and such.
00:32.12Wyzarddutchfish: If you're talking about gdm crashing on shutdown, that happens to me too, on newer kernels only
00:32.13perplexedso i can upgrade to testing and still use the nvidia driver from unstable with no problem?
00:32.28perplexedWyzard: 2.6.24 works with the nvidia driver?
00:32.36perplexedserm ribnitz
00:32.37Wyzardperplexed: Yes, I'm running it now
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00:32.49zophyhow do i remove a git repository ?
00:32.50perplexedso why cant i just downgrade my kernel a version to 2.6.24
00:32.51dutchfishWyzard, i can confirm it is on 2.6.24-1, 2.6.25-5, 2.6.25-6, 2.6.26-rc6
00:32.52Wyzardribnitz: I haven't tried 2.6.25 yet because VMware doesn't yet support it either
00:33.02perplexedinstead of going to unstable or testing
00:33.04abrotmanzophy: #git ?
00:33.12Wyzarddutchfish: but if you try, say, etch's 2.6.18, you'll find that gdm doesn't do that
00:33.19ribnitzWyzard: You mean you run many virtual machine on the same box?
00:33.33abrotmanperplexed: you can run whatever kernel you want .. .18, .22 and .24 are easily available for etch
00:33.36dutchfishWyzard, i dont know i can not run that kernel on this machine
00:33.52perplexedbut etch still doesnt support the driver
00:33.55perplexedso im screwed
00:33.56Wyzardribnitz: Yes, that's what VMware is for
00:34.05perplexedeetch doesnt support the nvidia driver
00:34.09perplexedetch*
00:34.19Wyzardperplexed: The problem is that *etch's* nvidia driver doesn't support 2.6.24
00:34.20abrotmanperplexed: and lenny's nvidia is messed
00:34.21Wyzardperplexed: sid's does
00:34.34perplexedso i might as well go to unstable
00:34.46ribnitzWyzard: YOu dont get more performance from it in a desktop setting, do you?
00:34.51perplexedinstead of testing
00:34.52abrotmantesting with nvidia backported from sid ?
00:35.04dutchfishis this a libglib-2.0.so error or is it gdm itself?
00:35.06perplexedshould i do that?
00:35.21Wyzardribnitz: Virtualization isn't really meant for improving performance
00:35.31Bushmillsperplexed: choice is yours, at the end. be aware that you'll receive much less support with unstable than you will with testing
00:35.33ribnitzWyzard: stability?
00:35.38abrotmani don't use nvidia .. so can't truly comment if it's possible .. but unstable can break in ways you may not understand how to fix if you're not familiar with Debian
00:35.58dutchfishfunny thing is running reinstalling gdm gives no errors
00:35.59perplexedsighs
00:36.13smacnay1perplexed: yes, you will need to grab the nvidia stuff from sid.  I did and it worked fine.
00:36.35Wyzardperplexed: lenny with sid's nvidia ought to work, I believe
00:36.53dutchfishWyzard, is there a bug already filed for this?
00:37.10Wyzarddutchfish: no idea...  it doesn't really cause a problem for me so I haven't investigated it much
00:37.37Wyzardribnitz: It's for doing things that you'd ordinarily do with multiple computers, without actually needing multiple computers
00:37.51dutchfishWyzard, oh it does, after that you have a change of corrupting your disk, happened to me 4 times already
00:37.56sladiafaik Lenny will become stable soon anyway
00:38.05ribnitzWyzard: better cpu usage.
00:38.10Wyzardribnitz: I have a virtual network of three Debian installations on a closed network with a certain specialized configuration, for testing some software I'm developing without needing to screw with my real network configuration
00:38.25Wyzardribnitz: I have a Windows VM that I use for occasional tasks that require Windows
00:38.27Wyzardribnitz: That sort of thing
00:38.32smacnay1perplexed: avoid sid if you aren't really comfortable getting your elbows dirty in fixing things.  Use testing and backport stuff like nvidia.
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00:38.50perplexedgot ya
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00:39.03ribnitzWyzard: Unfortunately I have to develop in windows currently, C# doesnt really port..
00:39.05Wyzardfreddo_frog: There are 788 people here, but nobody can help you unless you ask a question  :-)
00:39.12perplexedman
00:39.18perplexedhaving problems downloading the pkgs
00:39.24perplexedran apt-get update
00:39.30perplexedand then apt-get dist-upgrade
00:39.31nevynribnitz: doesn't mono provide a c# compiler?
00:39.32perplexedforget it
00:39.36perplexedim going to ubuntu
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00:39.49smacnay1perplexed: what are your sources listed as?
00:39.53Wyzardperplexed: What sort of problems downloading?
00:40.00smacnay1perplexed: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
00:40.04Rayne|aedioni want to use postfix with dovecot. the problem: dovecot needs /var/run/dovecot/auth-master, but it does not exist. is there a package for auth-master? even the official by debian shipped config informs the user that this file is needed and should exist
00:40.17perplexedi just replaced every occurence of etch with 'testing'
00:40.26ribnitznevyn: Its a complex project; I have enough issues wirh App server etc; I donÄt currently have time to test whether the thing works with monno.
00:40.27perplexedapt-get update runs find
00:40.36smacnay1perplexed: ok - for nvidia stuff there is a bit of a caveat.
00:40.51freddo_frogis it possible to do a net install via ndiswrapper, the wired connection is broken :(
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00:41.07perplexedwhen running apt-get dist-upgrade it ran for a while skipping pkgs, then finally said trying running apt-get update again
00:41.07abrotmanfredgrrrrrrrrr
00:41.19abrotmanperplexed: try aptitude
00:41.28smacnay1perplexed: you need to add lines for sid instead of "testing", add an apt.conf file with one line, then update again
00:41.48Wyzardperplexed: That can happen when the mirror you're using isn't fully updated (keep in mind that testing and unstable change on a daily basis)
00:41.54smacnay1perplexed: sometimes the sources are slow or don't come.  Happens to me too.
00:42.05sladiperplexed: I'd use Lenny instead of testing. you'll be at the next stable release then instead of always testing
00:42.11TonyRadBlarg. I think it might just be easier to completely reinstal this.. I think everything is hosed on it
00:42.20perplexedso replace testing with lenny?
00:42.39abrotmanit won't make a difference now .. but it certainly will later
00:42.39sladiperplexed: yes
00:43.09perplexedwhat line do i add to apt.conf?
00:43.09dutchfishjustin, thank you for your tip!
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00:43.28perplexedand in what directory, because that file isnt on this system
00:43.41abrotmanwe're talking about your sources.list
00:43.49smacnay1perplexed: APT::Default-Release "testing";
00:43.53sladiperplexed: /etc/apt/
00:44.00smacnay1perplexed: or "lenny" I guess
00:44.34perplexedre-running apt-get update
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00:44.51sladiAPT::Cache-Limit "20000000"; maybe you'll need this in apt.conf
00:44.56perplexedyea these mirrors suck
00:45.05smacnay1perplexed: did you add two lines pointing to sid packages?  They would be the same as the main "lenny" package lines.
00:45.06perplexed404 not found
00:45.13perplexedohh no i didnt
00:45.15perplexedsec
00:45.21abrotmanuhm ..
00:45.24abrotmanstop for a minute
00:45.39abrotmanperplexed: edit your sources.list .. then put them in a pastebin to show us before you go randomly upgrading
00:46.01smacnay1perplexed: that will give you access the sid stuff like the nvidia drivers.  The line in the /etc/apt/apt.conf file will keep your default distro at "lenny".
00:46.02abrotmanthere are 10 people in here telling you different things .. some are irrelevant, some are bad
00:46.05smacnay1abrotman: good point
00:46.22Bushmillsperplexed: comment out the "security" line
00:46.24abrotmansmacnay1: don't tell him to mix distros ... he's having enough issues right now
00:46.29perplexedokk
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00:46.31abrotmanlenny has security updates
00:46.43smacnay1abrotman: ok - I was only telling him so he could acess nvidia drivers
00:46.54abrotmansmacnay1: do that later .. get him to lenny first
00:47.01smacnay1abrotman: good point
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00:48.08perplexedok, so i changed my sources.list
00:48.14perplexedi think i have a poor mirror though
00:48.35perplexedgtlib.gatech mirror
00:48.50Bushmillsi think the 404 was cause by  lenny security - doesn't exist.
00:49.06abrotmanBushmills: yes it does .. i use it
00:49.25abrotmanHit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg
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00:49.35Bushmillsretracts his last statement and claims the opposite
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00:49.39abrotmanhehe
00:50.07perplexedyea because i commented them out and i stilll get the mirror msgs
00:50.16perplexedwhat mirror are you using abrotman?
00:50.51abrotmanperplexed: uhm .. mit and ch.debian
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00:51.00perplexedhow does the full url look?
00:51.11abrotmanperplexed: where are you geographically ?
00:51.18perplexedNew Jersey, US
00:51.27smacnay1heh, I changed my /etc/apt/apt.conf line from APT::Default-Release "testing"; to APT::Default-Release "lenny"; and found there were 350 updates... surprise.  So I changed beck to "testing" and left things as they are.
00:51.29abrotmanthere's a nice rutgers mirror IIRC .. let me form it for you
00:51.39abrotmanalso one at columbia
00:51.42perplexedthanks
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00:52.21smacnay1I am assuming that the "testing" repository is newer than the "lenny"...
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00:52.39abrotmandeb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/debian/debian/ lenny main
00:52.48perplexedcool
00:52.49perplexedthanks
00:52.50abrotmanadd "contrib non-free" at the end if you want those
00:53.00abrotmansmacnay1: why?
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00:53.27abrotmansmacnay1: that's wrong .. don't repeat that
00:53.40perplexedk
00:54.12smacnay1abrotman: is testing not newer packages making their way into the mainstream?  I always assumed.
00:54.27abrotmansmacnay1: right now .. lenny and testing are identical
00:54.34abrotmanobviously once lenny is released .. that won't be the case
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00:56.23perplexedshould i leave the sid lines
00:56.31perplexedor should i comment them out for now
00:56.45htmlolare you using sid?
00:56.47rdzhi all. when i turn the harddrive off, it wakes up after a few seconds. i would like to know, what process is accessing it. how can i do that?
00:56.51perplexedno
00:56.56perplexedi wanted a nvidia driver from sid
00:57.05smacnay1abrotman: ok... so why would changing the default from testing to lenny in /etc/apt/apt.conf move my apt-get update from 0 packages to update to 350?
00:57.27htmlolperplexed: why don't you use a .deb?
00:57.39Bushmillsrdz. logging, probably
00:57.41smacnay1perplexed: abrotman said we should get your lenny distro running first...
00:57.45sladiperplexed: comment it out and upgrade to lenny. after that use the sid line only for the driver you need from sid
00:57.53perplexedok
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00:58.00perplexedstill getting fetching problems
00:58.04perplexedi commented out the sid lines
00:58.06rdzBushmills, yeah, but is there a way to check, which process accesses it at a particular time?
00:58.09perplexedwhen running apt-get update
00:58.12perplexedsighs
00:58.13Wyzardhtmlol: You're missing several hours worth of context for what perplexed is talking about
00:58.28htmlolWyzard: heh, ok thanks
00:58.35perplexedmd5sum mismatch or something of that nature
00:58.47Bushmillsrdz: iotop may be able to show, but i'm afraid that requires you to compile a kernel.
00:58.56sladido you have rabbits? ^^
00:59.01rdzBushmills, i see. but thanks for the hint
00:59.16Wyzardhtmlol: In a nutshell, etch doesn't support his wireless card or video card so he decided to upgrade to lenny
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00:59.55Wyzardhtmlol: and backport the nVidia driver from sid
01:00.21Bushmillsrdz: you can also check log file time stamps.
01:00.53perplexedman i think its easier to go to ubuntu, im boinb go miss you guys though, i truly appreciate the help
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01:00.53rdzBushmills, good idea. thanks
01:00.53perplexedbeen helping me for hours on in
01:00.53htmlolaah I see.
01:00.53smacnay1perplexed: you are almost there
01:01.07abrotmansmacnay1: your sources point at lenny or testing?
01:01.12perplexedi cant successfully run apt-get update even after changing my apt.conf and sources.list
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01:01.21Wyzardperplexed: Are you seeing 404 errors?
01:01.23perplexedi even changed the mirror and everything
01:01.24perplexedyes
01:01.39abrotman!paste
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01:01.42perplexedwell i cant successfully run apt-get update anymore either
01:01.49abrotmanpaste your sources.list in the pastebin
01:01.50perplexedit says  md5sum mismatch
01:01.55Wyzardperplexed: I'd suggest using one of the round-robin DNS mirrors, e.g. http.us.debian.org
01:02.10Bushmillsrdz: alternatively, mount --bind a directory from a different device to your /var/log, see whether disk remains in sleep mode. but you'll probably be unable to umount without rebooting.
01:02.29perplexedwhats the full url to that mirror?
01:02.32Wyzardperplexed: Those are reasonably fast and you get a different server each time, so if one isn't fully up-to-date and is missing some files, just running apt again will hit a different server which usually has them
01:02.53smacnay1abrotman: most at lenny - two to "testing" (debian-multimedia and tovid)
01:02.55Wyzardperplexed: I run full sid and I often encounter that same problem and that's how I resolve it
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01:03.10Wyzardperplexed: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/
01:03.12smacnay1abrotman: and one to sid for when I did my nvidia backporting.
01:03.16rdzBushmills, very good idea.. cool.. thaks
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01:03.29Wyzardperplexed: If you're in some other country besides the US, substitute your own country's two-letter code
01:03.33abrotmansmacnay1: IIRC it matches lenny vs testing in the default release .. i may be mistaken though
01:03.50perplexedok sec
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01:05.10perplexedok apt-get update ran successfully now
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01:05.16DeformativeWhy is debian's vim config so shitty?
01:05.17perplexedok lets try the dist-upgrade
01:05.24perplexedcan i stay connected while i do the dist-upgrade?
01:05.24Bushmillsor stop syslogd/klogd ...
01:05.27abrotmanDeformative: vim-full or vim-tiny ?
01:05.37Wyzardperplexed: To IRC, you mean?
01:05.39Wyzardperplexed: of course
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01:05.50Deformativeabrotman: I believe it is full.
01:05.52htmlolDeformative: what's shitty about it?
01:05.55perplexedok cool
01:05.56smacnay1abrotman: wow by changing that one distro version in /etc/apt/apt.conf from testing to lenny -- I see 377 packages are to be updated.  xorg, texlive, openoffice.org, evolution, etc.
01:06.00perplexedthere we go!
01:06.02Wyzardperplexed: You'll probably need to reboot afterward though (or even if you don't strictly need to, it'd be a good idea)
01:06.03perplexedno errors so far
01:06.03abrotmanDeformative: so check
01:06.04DeformativeThere isn't even syntax highlighting.
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01:06.17perplexedrunning the dist-upgrade
01:06.17abrotmanDeformative: that's just the default vimrc .. :syntax on
01:06.18htmlolwhy don't you just make a vimrc?
01:06.21perplexedyea boii.
01:06.42Deformativeabrotman: That would be roughly what I asked.
01:06.44htmlolby default, vim is in vi compatibility mode
01:06.52perplexedno 404 errors
01:06.55perplexedskipping no pkgs
01:07.04abrotmanDeformative: right .. not everyone likes syntax highlighting .. i personally don't normally use it
01:07.15ribnitzjust a quick question: K3B refuses to overburn a dual-layer medium (2 MB over capacity)?
01:07.43Bushmills2 MB? does k3b burn floppies?
01:08.02ribnitzBushmills: 8GB (+2M)
01:08.08Bushmillsoh. 2 mb on top of ...
01:08.25smacnay1can aptitude -s dist-upgrade show the current version and upgraded version in display?
01:08.29WyzardDual-layer media isn't very cost-effective
01:08.46DeformativeI have a bunch of configurations with xmodmap, synergy and a few other things for gdm, is there a way I can migrate all of those to kdm?
01:08.51DeformativeOr do I need to rewrite everything?
01:08.56ribnitzWyzard: you mean 2 4.7mb discs are better?
01:09.15Wyzardribnitz: I went to the store yesterday to buy some DVD+R media, and I looked at prices
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01:09.57Wyzardribnitz: I could get a 50-disc spindle of single-layer media for about $30 USD
01:10.16perplexed2m 36s left
01:10.17WyzardFor the same capacity in dual-layer, 25 discs, it was over $40
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01:11.58ribnitzThat indeed sounds bad.
01:12.05smacnay1abrotman: I ran synaptic and see that, yes, all the "lenny: upgrades are indeed newer than the "testing" packages I currently have.
01:12.17abrotmanthey are not "newer"
01:12.35abrotmanlenny and testing point to the same place
01:12.36Wyzardribnitz: Actually...  hang on, I'm mixing up my prices
01:12.48perplexedWyzard: reboot? i have 20 secs left
01:12.49Wyzardribnitz: I spent $30 because I bought two spindles...  a 50-pack of single-layer was $15
01:13.03Wyzardribnitz: vs. $40 for the same capacity in DL
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01:13.36Wyzardperplexed: If you're done upgrading, reboot
01:13.42abrotmanpray first!
01:13.56abrotmanyou kids .. so happy go lucky :)
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01:17.01maordebanyone know how can i trace a problem in postfix that disallow me to stop or start the daemon?
01:17.41abrotmanneed more info
01:19.28Bushmillsmaordeb: "disallow": become root
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01:20.20maordebi am a root
01:20.24maordebjust getting: Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, status, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) failed!
01:20.26abrotmanthen give us more info
01:20.32maordebwhen trying to stop
01:20.33abrotmanstrace it ?
01:20.34keilai keep seeing this in my /var/log/auth.log su[16250]: pam_unix2: Unknown option: `nullok_secure'  ...anyone know what it means?
01:20.40perplexedu have to be kidding me
01:20.48smacnay1abrotman: it was the /etc/apt/apt.conf line that determined the packages to be updated.  If the Default-Release line is set to "testing" no packages are to be updated, if set to "lenny" 377 packages are to be updated.
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01:21.02\amethystmaordeb:  you're using something like  /etc/init.d/postfix start   ?
01:21.06justinmaordeb: try sh -x /etc/init.d/postfix restart
01:21.20\amethystmaordeb:  justin beat me to it :)
01:21.24sladismacnay1: it probably inloy works with stable, testing unstable
01:21.27Bushmillsmaordeb: how do you stop it?
01:21.35Wyzardsmacnay: I don't think Default-Release supports names like "lenny"...  it was probably effectively ignoring it and you were seeing updates from sid
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01:22.24maordeb\amethyst, thanks, tried but give no useful results... Bushmills, cant stop it.
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01:22.47Bushmillsmaordeb: what do you type to try to stop it ....
01:22.51keilai'm also getting these sshd[16263]: Excess permission or bad ownership on file /var/log/btmp  ....i dont even know what btmp is
01:22.57keilai'm getting worried :P
01:23.04maordeb/etc/init.d/postfix stop
01:23.14abrotmankeila: ls -l /var/log/btmp ?
01:23.15maordebin root mode
01:23.23smacnay1Wyzard: that would make sense.
01:23.31keilaabrotman: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 0 2008-06-01 06:25 /var/log/btmp
01:23.35\amethystkeila:  btmp is the record of bad logins
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01:23.55abrotmanperms seem normal to me
01:23.56\amethystkeila:  same permissions I have
01:24.07\amethystkeila:  what version of openssh-server ?
01:24.27keila\amethyst: 4.3p2-9etch2  (etch, obviously.  no mixed packages)
01:24.33Bushmillsmaordeb: what's the file date of your postfix init script?
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01:25.38abrotmanremove the btmp ? let it get recreated ?
01:25.45abrotmanmaybe it's an lsattr thing ?
01:25.53maordebBushmills, file date? i downloaded today the latest release from tar
01:26.58keilaabrotman: ok, i'll try.  any idea what `nullok_secure' means?
01:26.59Bushmillsmaordeb:  ls -l /etc/init.d/postfix
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01:26.59\amethystkeila:  weird, btmp logging is supposed to be disabled
01:26.59smacnay1Wyzard: that was it - "lenny" was not a viable arg in apt.conf
01:26.59abrotmankeila: lsattr /var/log/btmp .. anything popup ?
01:26.59\amethystkeila:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314956
01:26.59keila\amethyst: abrotman ------------------ /var/log/btmp
01:27.00abrotman\amethyst: solution is ?
01:27.01maordebBushmills, 21 mar 07
01:27.19\amethystabrotman:  it's supposed to be fixed in the version keila is running
01:27.26Bushmillsmaordeb: what happens when you just enter    postfix stop   and    postfix start   ?
01:27.41\amethystkeila:  just to verify, does sshd -V  print the correct version?
01:27.47maordebit works lol
01:27.54keila\amethyst: OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
01:28.00\amethystabrotman:  the solution was to disable btmp, since that check is there for a good reason
01:28.08Bushmillsmaordeb: looks like a problem in your init script
01:28.09abrotmannot really a solution
01:28.09maordebdamn hope it doesnt conflict between 2 versions of postfix
01:28.22Bushmillswhat branch of debian?
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01:28.34\amethystabrotman:  a common cause of bad login is typing the password instead of the login
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01:28.50maordebanyway i'll check the init file... thanks alot Bushmills u helped!
01:28.55abrotman\amethyst: i would never!
01:29.11\amethystabrotman:  so if the file is readable by people, they might be able to see passwords
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01:29.40keila\amethyst: so, uh, tell me what to do :P  this is above my head
01:29.48abrotman\amethyst: it is readable .. on yours and mine
01:30.12\amethystabrotman:  yes, which is why debian's sshd stopped writing there in 4.1p1-5
01:30.18\amethystabrotman:  I wonder if that change was reverted
01:30.39abrotmanchangelogs!
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01:33.42\amethystkeila:  one way would be to  chmod 600 /var/log/btmp   and also edit /etc/logrotate.conf  and change the create 0664 under btmp to create 0600
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01:34.12\amethystkeila:  however, that might cause problems for tools that expect to be able to read btmp
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01:35.44keila\amethyst: where can i disable btmp?
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01:39.06abrotman!blame ubuntu
01:39.07dpkgblames smica and ubuntu for the end of life as we know it
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01:39.36keilai swear, no ubuntu packages here :P  plain old etch
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01:40.42ficklefred29hello
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01:42.20asdzxc_hi
01:42.27asdzxc_how can i do hot-swap on Intel PIIX ?
01:42.57abrotmanhot swap of what?
01:43.01asdzxc_disks
01:43.03asdzxc_HDDs
01:43.14abrotmandoes your controller support that?
01:43.18asdzxc_yes
01:43.34asdzxc_but i can't find anything about hotswap in kernel configuration
01:43.40Bushmillsasdzxc_: you get a system with CPCI bus, with intel chipset board as slave, and the master cpu in the system configured for hot swapping.
01:44.05Bushmills(CPCI backplane, that is)
01:44.21ficklefred29do Windows Vista computers refuse to see linux shares on home networks?
01:45.15Wyzardasdzxc_: PIIX is an older chipset, isn't it?
01:45.30asdzxc_Wyzard don't know, it's new server
01:45.30Wyzardasdzxc_: I doubt the IDE controller in that supports hot-swapping hard drives
01:45.36Wyzardoh
01:45.36Bushmillssouth bridge
01:45.41asdzxc_Wyzard i'm useing driver ATA_PIIX
01:45.46Wyzardasdzxc_: oh, I see
01:45.59WyzardYou're likely using a much newer ICH in its legacy ICH5-compatible mode
01:46.04asdzxc_Wyzard controller is hotswap for sure
01:46.06Wyzardfor SATA, right?
01:46.11asdzxc_yes
01:46.13abrotmanficklefred29: firewall?
01:46.14WyzardGo into the BIOS and change it from "IDE" mode to "AHCI" mode
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01:46.25WyzardThen it'll use the ahci driver instead of the ata_piix driver
01:46.39WyzardThe Linux AHCI driver fully supports NCQ and hotswap
01:46.48asdzxc_Wyzard cool, i will look at it. i just tried AHCI but it won't boot
01:46.57asdzxc_wait a sec, i will look in bios
01:47.00Wyzard(I hotswapped a DVD drive on an ICH8 in AHCI mode earlier today, in fact)
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01:47.32ficklefred29firewall, well, on my linux computer i have the ports for samba open, and xp can see me on another computer and i can see them
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01:48.12NyleWyzard, I still have pata opticals
01:48.33NyleWyzard, which motherboard do you have?
01:48.48asdzxc_Wyzard yes, it's here. now i will try to boot that AHCI kernel
01:49.07WyzardNyle: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106057
01:49.10WyzardNyle: Abit AB9 Pro
01:49.18Nyleoh, the badass one eh
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01:49.52NyleI have a gigabyte 965p s3 (supposed to be good for overclocking)
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01:52.50robocopis it possible to install the ati-fglrx drivers using apt-get?
01:53.07abrotman!fglrx one-liner
01:53.07dpkgTo install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx  && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:53.10Internatok im sure there is a link somewhere to do this, but how does one install debian from a usb key
01:53.13Internat!usbkey
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01:53.59robocopthanks
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01:54.55abrotman!tell Internat about usb install
01:54.56asdzxc_Wyzard fine, it boots up.
01:55.07asdzxc_Wyzard so now i just umount the drive and remove the bay ?
01:56.18Wyzardasdzxc_: After you make sure it's unmounted and nothing is accessing it, yes
01:56.46Wyzardasdzxc_: Watch dmesg after you unplug it and you should see some messages about losing contact with the device, and then resetting the port
01:56.57Wyzardasdzxc_: Check (with lsmod) that you're really using ahci rather than ata_piix btw
01:56.59phil-can anyone link me to a crash course on setting permissions? im kinda discombobulated
01:57.01abrotmanor it will blow up
01:57.07abrotman!permissions
01:57.07dpkgFor more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
01:57.14abrotmanphil-: enough for you?
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01:57.29phil-indeed
01:57.30asdzxc_Wyzard i'm useing AHCI, i don't have any modules (everything is in kernel)
01:57.30phil-thanks alot
01:57.34asdzxc_Wyzard i can see some messages
01:57.38asdzxc_Wyzard for example:
01:57.56asdzxc_Wyzard failed to recover some device, retrying in 5 secs
01:58.01Wyzardyep
01:58.07sladi_I get a pong error in irssi, could this relate to ADSL? There is a fixed bug report about it. Can I reopen it?
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01:58.09asdzxc_Wyzard [sda] Synchronizing SCSI cache
01:58.15asdzxc_Wyzard [sda] Stopping disk
01:58.24asdzxc_Wyzard [sda] START_STOP FAILED
01:58.26sladi_I guess not? ^^
01:58.26asdzxc_is that last ok ?
01:58.35Wyzardhmm, I haven't seen START_STOP_FAILED
01:58.43abrotmanthinks it failed
01:58.50asdzxc_it's START_STOP FAILED
01:59.04asdzxc_well, i will try to put it back
01:59.05abrotmanWyzard: that extra underscore is important!
01:59.08asdzxc_and see it kernel finds it
01:59.49asdzxc_Wyzard [sda] Attached SCSI disk
01:59.51asdzxc_look fine
02:00.10Wyzardok
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02:00.20sladi_I get a pong error in irssi, could this relate to ADSL?
02:00.22asdzxc_i was also able to mount it
02:00.24asdzxc_cool
02:00.27asdzxc_Wyzard thnx very much
02:00.31Wyzardthere's a command you can run before unplugging a device to unregister it and make sure it isn't in use by anything, but I don't remember offhand what it is
02:00.34Wyzardand it isn't strictly necessary
02:00.57asdzxc_maybe ith hdparm/sdparm
02:01.00asdzxc_* with
02:01.14WyzardI was about to say I think it's something from sdparm
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02:01.32htmlolI was about to say I think it's something from chknparm.
02:01.46htmlol;)
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02:08.10manu_hackhi, what to set to force running fsck in next reboot?
02:09.14Wyzardmanu_hack: touch /forcefsck
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02:16.07manu_hackfsck said Duplicate or bad block in use!, what to do?
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02:17.43Nyletoday is just not my day... 1 system fried completely, purple smoke is nice to look at, and bricked a v6 ddwrt (just rebooted it and it never came back on)... blew the starter plug in my car which I had to replace myself as luckily it was in the front not underneath the engine...
02:17.58abrotmanblames the 10Mb cable :)
02:17.59Nyleisn't a surge protector supposed to like, protect against this like this
02:18.09Nyleabrotman, heh
02:18.11abrotmancan't handle the speed!
02:18.34htmlolNyle: maybe you shouldn't throw grenades into all of your electronics.
02:18.44Nylehtmlol, ?
02:18.54Nylegrenades produce purple smoke?
02:19.10htmlolapparently. you're the one that said purple smoke.
02:19.10NyleI thought it was thick black smoke, right after you blow up to million bits
02:19.21Nyleheh
02:19.37benjamindeesmanu_hack, try to boot the installer into 'rescue' mode and run fsck manually
02:19.41Nylethe smoke actually came from the 24 pin atx connecter on the mobo, not the psu itself
02:19.43htmlolalthough I suppose it could be explained by the fact that different substances burning create different colored smoke
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02:20.14Nyleand then the circuitry on the mobo started to sizzle and blue/purple smoke and sparks flew everywhere
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02:20.36htmlolthere was a purple haze, is what you are trying to say.
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02:20.44jetscreamershows up for tardsday
02:20.50htmlolwe get the subtle psychedelic hendrix references.
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02:20.55Nylewaves at jelly-home
02:21.01Nylewrong jtab
02:21.05wedgemagic smoke
02:21.07Nylejetscreamer, yo!
02:21.10jetscreameryep
02:21.20jetscreameryo dude!
02:21.33Nylehey just got out of the hospital the other day, was in for 12 hours man
02:21.43htmlolif you want to smoke your ganja through your computer case, all the power to you man.
02:21.47Nylesame stomache bullshit, quittin weed didn't help, but I won't start again
02:22.05htmlolhey look, and I was just joking about the marijuana. heh.
02:22.09jetscreamerbummer
02:22.16jetscreamerabout the stomach
02:22.32Nylejetscreamer, yeh
02:22.40\amethystuse g`\" instead
02:22.41\amethystdoh
02:23.26Nylejetscreamer, I am running kubuntu right now
02:23.45jetscreamerand you admit that in this channel? :)
02:23.58Nylejetscreamer, I also run other OSes
02:24.01phil-aha! it was chown i needed
02:24.04jetscreamerme too
02:24.04phil-thanks guys
02:24.20Nylejetscreamer, fglrx in kubuntu doesn't give me stuck pixels
02:24.27phil-chown with a recusive switch for some reason
02:24.46abrotmanwhy? on what?
02:24.48Nylefor some reason, the fglrx drivers in sid seem to screw up my lcd so bad each time I try em
02:24.56jetscreamerNyle: so is that the xorg fglrx or the ati one
02:24.56htmlolreally!
02:25.12htmlolNyle: why don't you try the proprietary drivers
02:25.16Nylejetscreamer, xorg-driver-fglrx something
02:25.23jetscreameraka proprietary ati ones
02:25.28jetscreamerahh
02:25.35benjamindeesetchnhalf is really quite underwhelming so far
02:25.40Nylejetscreamer, I tried both in sid, packages, the fixed pacakged from svn trunk, the catalyst 8.5 from ati.amd.com
02:25.44Nylenothing worked
02:26.03Nyleradeonhd was pretty unstable too, even from git (with xrog/mesa from git too)
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02:26.16Nyleradeon was the only r5xx driver that worked for me
02:26.21jetscreamerso you're saying the kubuntu implementation of xorg > the debian implementation
02:26.56Nylebtw update:  radeon/ati opensource now supports r500 (not sure about r600, that one still maybe supported by radeonhd)
02:27.07Nylejetscreamer, I'm saying you suck.
02:27.11Nylethats all :)
02:27.32jetscreameroh hey btw you have tvout enabled on that? paste your xorg.conf somewhere if so i need a .conf for my 9250
02:27.40Nylenot yet
02:27.51NyleI JUST NOW got my friggin lcd to work properly
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02:28.05NyleI wonder what my kernel is
02:28.16Nyle2.6.25-2-686
02:28.19NyleLinux laptop 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 14 16:42:03 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
02:28.29Nyleoh I'm on sid right now??
02:28.31Nyledude wtf
02:28.32jetscreamerdon't dpkg-reconfigure locales
02:28.36NyleI thought this was kubuntu?!
02:28.49jetscreamerdid you 'upgrade' a sid to it?
02:28.50htmlol2.6.25-4.slh.2-686 here
02:28.51Nylewhich fucking distro am I on right now? (oh gawd I'm drunk off my balls)
02:29.01jetscreamerdo uname -a
02:29.09Nyleexec - -o echo `uname -ar`
02:29.10NyleLinux laptop 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 14 16:42:03 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
02:29.14jetscreamero
02:29.27Nyleyeh i'm on sid
02:29.29jetscreamercat /etc/debian_version rather (iirc)
02:29.35htmlolLinux nic-nac-project.org 2.6.24.1 #3 Sun Feb 10 15:21:48 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
02:29.41htmlolwhoops. lol
02:29.45htmlolthat's the ssh server. heh
02:29.53Nyle/bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'
02:29.53Nyle/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
02:29.55Nyleoops
02:30.03htmlolLinux dvus 2.6.25-4.slh.2-sidux-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 15 23:02:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
02:30.13jetscreamerah sidux
02:30.20htmlolyep :D
02:30.21jetscreamerthe kanotix heir , eh?
02:30.25Nyle$>cat /etc/debian_version
02:30.26Nylelenny/sid
02:30.27htmlolindeed
02:30.37htmlolalthough it's much more of a community thing than kantoi
02:30.37htmlolx
02:30.39Nylehmm
02:30.44Nyleyou know whats seriously fucked up
02:30.45Nyledude
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02:30.59Nyleubuntu hardy 8.04 reports lenny/sid as wel
02:31.01Nyle!!
02:31.01dpkgI'm not your csh prompt!
02:31.02jetscreamermy priorities?
02:31.16htmloljust...don't do anything as root, ok? drunk+root=not a good idea
02:31.22abrotmanyou know what .. they're still OT here
02:31.31jetscreamermy priorities?
02:31.39jetscreamer:p
02:32.02Nylehtmlol, got ya, thanks ;)
02:32.23Nylehtmlol, I been boozin' off some Jack n Coke
02:32.57Nylehtmlol, one time last year I logged into the wrong server and debootstrapped it (thinking I was in a diff server)
02:33.01htmlolhehe just speaking from experience. I once did a cat urandom while drunk for fun.
02:33.07htmlolhehehe
02:33.14Nylehtmlol, I lost my 6 year old sid machine that I've NEVER reinstalled
02:33.16Nyle:(
02:33.21htmlol;_;
02:33.39Nylewell, in 7 years its been reinstalled once
02:33.41htmlola moment of silence for dead machines.
02:34.01htmlolthank you.
02:34.04WyzardA friend of mine once accidentally did "dd if=/dev/urandom /dev/hda"
02:34.11Wyzardof=/dev/hda, that is
02:34.19Nyleoh hahah oops
02:34.22Nylethats a bummer
02:34.26htmlolyeah. my command was "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1".
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02:34.43Nyleman dog
02:34.52WyzardHe was experimenting with dd'ing both urandom and hda to /dev/dsp to troubleshoot a problem with his sound
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02:35.01Nylethere is no dog?
02:35.05Nylethere is a cat but no dog
02:35.12Nylehow can this be!!
02:35.32Nyleinstalls funny-manpages package to see if its there
02:35.47BushmillsNyle: dog is a real package
02:36.03Nyle!info dog
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02:36.09Bushmillslike cat, but works on urls too
02:36.12htmlolcan it be screenshot time now plz?
02:36.12NyleBushmills, it didn't show up on my search
02:36.28dpkgdog: (Enhanced replacement for cat), section text, is optional. Version: 1.7-10 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
02:36.33Nylesweet!
02:36.38NyleI love linux!
02:36.43abrotmanthere's a 'tac' too
02:36.52htmlolinstelled.
02:36.56htmlolinstalled.*
02:37.28Nylehtmlol, aptitude install scrot; scrot blah.jpg
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02:37.57manu_hackwhat to do if I type the incorrect passwd for more than 5 times, how to reset?
02:38.53htmlolo yeah lol I know how to screenshot
02:38.54abrotmanmanu_hack: resset it why ?
02:38.54htmlolI mean, let's spam our screenshots! I love seeing other people's screens. it's kinky.
02:39.00manu_hacknow I cant login in kdm,
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02:39.11jetscreamerabrotman: because he got locked out?
02:39.12abrotmanlocked out of what?
02:39.12Nylekdm
02:39.12htmlolhttp://24.47.244.171:10080/080614_3408_1280x800.png see? now it's your turn.
02:39.12jetscreamer3 times yer out kind of thing
02:39.12abrotmanuh .. that's dumb
02:39.16Nyleyes very much so
02:39.21Nylemaybe restart kdm?
02:39.22jetscreameri kind of like it
02:39.26Nyleno idea,never happened to me
02:39.30jetscreamerno it's 'probably' a pam thing'
02:39.35Nylethen again I've never not known my own pw
02:39.38jetscreamerbut i'm guessing
02:39.45Nylethat would be something, get so high i forget my own pw
02:39.59Nylenah.. thats like me hitting the bottom of the stoner gene pool
02:40.00manu_hacknow i can only login in single-user mode, even in KDM I chose console login doesn't work
02:40.02Bushmillsif you wish ... here is mine:  http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213583955754614724.png
02:40.03jetscreameryou can get caps locks on and no light sometimes
02:40.09Nylelet me take one too damnit
02:40.11jetscreamer'oh i didn't know'
02:40.26Nylejetscreamer, true tur
02:40.27Nylee
02:40.43jetscreameryou can just wait like 5 or 10 minutes i think... i forget
02:40.52jetscreamerhas only had that problem in windows
02:41.10jetscreamerthe pw problem
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02:41.50Nylehttp://picpaste.com/kubuntu.jpg
02:42.24Nylethis is my kubuntu machine
02:42.40Nylehttp://picpaste.com/currentdesktopandirssitheme_1.jpg <--- my main desktop machine
02:42.48abrotman!ot
02:42.48dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
02:42.49jetscreamerwhy aren't i on irc much anymore? why because i logon and get nothing done :/
02:43.02benjamindeescan't believe he has to use ndiswrapper on a wifi card with a FOSS driver
02:43.17Nylecan't believe its not butter...
02:43.22jetscreamercase in point: now
02:43.36Nylejetscreamer, what are you on about?
02:43.41jetscreamernothing
02:43.45htmlolgood job people.
02:43.52Nylehtmlol, Wyzard, my desktops is wide.
02:43.54jetscreameri ordered myself 2gigs of ram though
02:44.01Nylejetscreamer, I fried a system today
02:44.02jetscreamer\o/
02:44.09jetscreamerwtg
02:44.17Nyleindeed
02:44.28Nyleit wasn't me, it was the fucking power surge
02:44.35Nyleit rained like a mofo here last night
02:44.38abrotmanseriously .. #debian-offtopic
02:44.45manu_hackMaximum nuymber of tries exceeded (5)
02:44.57manu_hackthen what could I do?
02:45.02jetscreamerdpkg probably has a factoid
02:45.02dpkgbugger all, i dunno, jetscreamer
02:45.02htmlolNyle: I can see that 0.0
02:45.15jetscreamerdpkg listkeys password
02:45.16dpkgFactoid search of 'password' by key (10 of 25): #debian forgot mysql root password ;; #debian password reset ;; #debian-bots i forgot root's password ;; _default "password ;; _default i forgot root's password ;; _default ssh without password ;; _default uw-imapd plaintext passwords ;; i forgot mysql root password ;; i forgot mysql's root password ;; i forgot rahul's password.
02:45.20benjamindeesmanu_hack, are you out of disk space or do you really not know your own password?
02:45.37Nylehtmlol, the dualdisplay one is on debian with radeon for r580 chipset
02:45.39abrotmanmanu_hack: login as root and reset your password .. or /msg dpkg ifrp if it was root's password you forgot
02:45.45jetscreamerdpkg listkeys password lockout
02:45.46dpkgFactoid search of 'password lockout' by key returned no results.
02:45.50manu_hackI know  my passwd
02:45.53Nylehtmlol, the single kubuntu machine shot is with fglrx on x1900xtx
02:45.59abrotmanNyle: STOP
02:46.03manu_hackI can now login as root, in single user mode
02:46.14abrotmanNyle: if you want to talk about something else .. go to that channel or the offtopic channel
02:46.23htmlolI'll get myself some dual screens someday.
02:46.27NyleI'm talking about my debian machine
02:46.30htmlolyeah. sorry abrotman.
02:46.35abrotmanwhich is running Kubuntu ..
02:46.39htmlolno, he's right, it's offtopic.
02:46.39abrotmanstop it already
02:46.44Nyleno the one with debian
02:46.45Nyledual head
02:47.00jetscreameryou boys still expressing all the love you have for each other eh
02:48.09htmlolomigawd it's hot.
02:48.22htmlol(offtopic example)
02:48.34xsdgWhy is ChallengeResponseAuthentication now defaulted to "off" in openssh-server?
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02:50.00benjamindees"It sounds like ChallengeResponseAuthentication is an option to allow S/Key, or
02:50.00benjamindeesOPIE authentication, and is enabled by default on most OpenSSH installations."
02:50.38xsdgbenjamindees: well, the config alludes to "issues with some PAM modules and threads"
02:50.48xsdgbenjamindees: I can't find any actual documentation on why it was changed, though
02:50.54jetscreamerour key unlocks features
02:51.00jetscreamererr
02:51.08jetscreamerwtf
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02:52.13xsdgbenjamindees: specifically, having it off prevents me from connecting with ruby's Net::SSH module
02:52.18benjamindeeshttp://www.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.security.ssh/2006-01/msg00242.html
02:52.22xsdgthanks
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02:53.15xsdgbenjamindees: so, "file a bug against Net::SSH," I guess...
02:53.59benjamindeesI guess
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02:54.57htmlolruby is overrated.
02:55.09htmlolit just gets in the way, donchathink?
02:55.16xsdghtmlol: stop trolling
02:55.30htmlolsorry :/
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02:56.00manu_hackpasswd gives this error: Module is unknown
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03:00.45benjamindeesoops... "OPIE on FreeBSD May Let Local Users Modify the Configuration or Remote Users Gain Root Access"
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03:05.17Nyle<PROTECTED>
03:05.21Nyle!
03:05.46NyleIT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
03:05.51NyleIt is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed <--- ???
03:05.57NyleI didn't do anything...
03:06.00manu_hackmaybe pam is corrupted, is it possible to reinstall pam?
03:06.27Nyleoh.... nm /me uses ssh-keygen again...
03:06.43Nyleahh the lovely little annoyances of a brand new linux...
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03:19.23manu_hackproblem solved: apt-get --reinstall install libpam-modules
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03:22.47Nylemanu_hack, you are the same man from shack
03:22.53Nyleor the man in the laptop?
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03:32.53owen1anyone knows video player lighter than vlc (requirs 70 packages) that works on most of video types?
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03:33.08Nylemplayer
03:33.11htmlolxine
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03:33.13Nyleplays everyting
03:33.17Nyle!dmm
03:33.17dpkgi guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
03:33.31Bushmillsexcept chess
03:33.31Nyleowen1, apt-get install mplayer w32codecs
03:33.34manu_hackNyle: ?
03:33.45Nylemanu_hack, you are not man in shack then, nevermind (or man in laptop)
03:33.54Nylethats probably some other dude
03:34.04owen1Nyle: great. i'll get it.
03:34.16NyleBushmills, /me still plays the oldschool dos game 'Kasparov's Gambit'
03:34.16manu_hackI'm on laptop :)
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03:34.29Nyleman_in_ltop or something?
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03:38.27manu_hackNyle: probably not me :)
03:38.40drs-ive recently switched my system to use blowfish and... im having a problem changing my passwords now.. and adding users with password
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03:39.35Dewiis there an easy way to measure how long a command takes to run?
03:39.38drs-i have no problems logging in tho.. or anything else
03:39.39Dewiother than date; cmd; date
03:39.40Dewi?
03:40.27benjamindeesDewi, time cmd
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03:41.03owen1Nyle: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "w32codecs"
03:41.20wols_!tell owen1 about marillat
03:41.20Dewibenjamindees: is that a shell builtin or what? There are heaps of different 'time' man pages, but I can't find that
03:42.27benjamindees!info time
03:42.55dpkgtime: (The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage), section utils, is standard. Version: 1.7-21 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 144 kB
03:43.05Dewihmm, okay
03:43.08Dewiseems to have no man page
03:43.18Dewior --help
03:43.29owen1wols_: any idea how to move to different window in irssi? my alt+# is taken by the window manager i am using. and alt+arrow don't work.
03:43.30wols_Dewi: no binary either
03:43.30Dewior info
03:43.37Dewiwols_: how... convenient
03:43.37Bushmillsdewi, bash has a built-in tme different from /usr/bin/time
03:43.41infinitycircuitowen1: /window X
03:43.42Dewiwols_: indeed, 'which' returned nothing
03:43.45wols_owen1: /window goto #
03:43.54infinitycircuitowen1: or it might be /buffer X i can't remember exactly
03:43.54DewiBushmills: it has 'times' according to the man page
03:44.09owen1infinitycircuit: wols_ ok
03:44.11htmlolowen1: esc+# should work too
03:44.24Dewiokay, I guess this is a benjamindees++, stallman--
03:44.44owen1htmlol: esc works
03:45.02BushmillsDewi: well, try    time sleep 2, and then  /usr/bin/time sleep 2
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03:45.31DewiBushmills: I don't have the /usr/bin one
03:45.32htmlolowen1: good :D
03:45.39benjamindeesDewi, there is a man page if you install the 'time' package
03:45.46keilaso read the man page for sshd_config and it says allowusers is valid.  however, i'm getting this when starting the server "/etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 15: Bad configuration option: AllowUsers"  any thoughts?
03:46.02Dewibenjamindees: oh... so I'm using some other one, from bash or something?
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03:46.30benjamindeesDewi, apparently
03:46.39Dewibenjamindees: oh I get it, it's a "reserved word" not a shell builtin
03:47.00Dewibenjamindees: so it's mentioned in the middle of some other discussion in the man page
03:47.02wols_Dewi: doesn't explain waht code is run when you use it
03:47.16wols_it must be a shell built in
03:47.24Dewiwols_: it's a shell 'reserved word' not a builtin
03:47.37Dewiwols_: the difference? Poorer documentation, as far as I can tell :)
03:47.40wols_Dewi: then tell me where the code for it is?
03:47.59wols_from my POV it clearly looks like it's built into my shell (bash)
03:48.01Dewiwols_: in bash.tar.gz ?
03:48.20Dewiwols_: yes, it's in bash, but for some reason it's not considered a "builtin"
03:48.22wols_what is bash.tar.gz supposed to be?
03:48.25Dewibut a "reserved word"
03:48.30Dewiwols_: the tarball for bash
03:48.31Dewi:P
03:48.47wols_it maybe not part of the /bin/sh stuff but it certainly is in the bash shell buult in
03:49.02Dewiwols_: I think you're missing my point. It's not in the "list of built-ins"
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03:49.09Dewiwols_: but it is "built into the shell"
03:49.14wols_then maybe that list is buggy?
03:49.37Dewiwols_: the man page describes it as a "reserved word", part of the syntax for running a command, like pipes and ampersands...
03:49.43Dewior [[
03:50.10DewiI skimmed past the section about 5 times before I realised it was talking about the pseudo-command
03:50.18\amethystbecause the argument of time is a whole pipe
03:50.37\amethystthat wouldn't be possible with a builtin---those work like shell functions
03:50.45Dewi\amethyst: no, 'time' is part of the syntax for invoking a pipe
03:51.11Dewi\amethyst: it doesn't have "arguments" because it's not a command or a builtin...
03:51.16Dewiaah bash, so... ugly
03:51.21\amethysttechnically, yes
03:51.48benjamindeeswell yeah bash has a lot of poorly documented behaviour
03:53.22Dewiwell I still can't figure out the info browser, and I pretty much only ever want it for bash. I wonder if there's a HTML-ified version at gnu.org I can just bookmark
03:54.00\amethystDewi:  http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
03:54.04Dewiyeah
03:54.07benjamindeeshonestly it's easier just to /join #bash and ask there :)
03:54.23BushmillsDewi: try pinfo
03:55.00Dewi\amethyst: that does look okay, it even has about 7 indexes at the end, one of which includes 'time'
03:55.33Dewibenjamindees: they just invoke that bot that sends you to the Wiki of Incomprehensible Snippets
03:55.39Bushmillsdewi, webified based info files: http://docs.verhau.de/cgi-bin/info2www
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04:00.16keilaso read the man page for sshd_config and it says allowusers is valid.  however, i'm getting this when starting the server "/etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 15: Bad configuration option: AllowUsers"  any thoughts?
04:01.19Dewikeila: what parameter are you supplying?
04:02.08owen1i need to compile c code with this command: make clean install
04:02.22owen1what package do i need?
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04:02.27Dewiowen1: build-essentials
04:02.41owen1Dewi: ok
04:02.58Dewiowen1: and the -devel packages for any library depends
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04:03.26Dewiowen1: which you usually find out when './configure' fails
04:03.51Dewiguys, is that the right way to find that out?
04:03.53Nyle!unetbootin
04:03.53owen1Dewi: i am compiling dwm. there is no ./configure.
04:04.05owen1Dewi: only build-essentials
04:04.10Dewiowen1: I guess nobody is checking your environment then
04:04.13owen1Dewi: only make
04:04.26Dewiowen1: although those steps could easily be done by make
04:04.33benjamindees!auto-apt
04:04.33dpkgfrom memory, auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
04:04.37Dewiowen1: if they are even necessary
04:05.22Dewibenjamindees: hmm... I wonder how long it would take to find a command that would make it install *all packages*
04:05.31Dewibenjamindees: hopefully it's not "find /"
04:05.33Dewigrins.
04:06.38owen1i just installed something with aptitude(and it had a few dependencies)  .when i did aptitude remove it didn't remove the dependencies.
04:06.59Bushmillsbenjamindees: quite long
04:07.18benjamindeesgets that often
04:07.20Bushmillsyour command will have to overcome conflicting packages
04:07.50Bushmillsone getting uninstalled because of installation of another package
04:08.18Bushmillshmm.  -> dewi
04:08.29DewiBushmills: heh, true
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04:11.13YouBuckyHey All, whats the easiest command to use to only obtain NS records via a script?
04:11.28BushmillsYouBucky: dig
04:12.25YouBuckyBushmills: Thankyou, I tried dig -t ns domain but the output is a little tricky to work with. Ideally Id like just IPs that I can grep/cut out
04:12.36BushmillsYouBucky: +short
04:13.18YouBuckybushmills: Thats perfect, thanks for your help :)
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04:15.39doorknob60is this the same as the #debian on irc.debian.org?
04:16.33doorknob60777 people and nobody answers?
04:17.00jelly-homedoorknob60: no, there's less people not answering there.  Be patient.
04:17.10owen1doorknob60: i wish i knew..
04:17.30doorknob60well im wondering cuz this looks the same as the one on irc.debian.org but im banned on that one lol
04:17.57owen1doorknob60: is it because u r loged in as root?
04:17.58doorknob60the topic title looks the same as last time i used the other one
04:18.00Bushmillsgood to know
04:18.12jelly-homedoorknob60: do you have a debian question?
04:18.24doorknob60no, more of a debian irc question
04:18.27stackI have
04:18.34stacktheacher, what time is it?
04:19.24simonrvnwhat's a "theacher"?
04:19.41jelly-homesomeone giving you aches over irc, I guess
04:19.50stacksomething like teacher when you get up at 5:40 :)
04:19.54simonrvnthe acher
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04:24.02doorknob60im still confused over whether this is linked to irc.debian.org, because ubuntu's does that
04:24.59jelly-homeit's not
04:26.19doorknob60ok, so which one is the official one?
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04:26.51Bushmillsfor ubuntu?   #ubuntu, iirc
04:27.14benjamindeesDewi, zcat /var/cache/apt/apt-file/*Contents*.gz| while read FILE; do ls "/$FILE"; done
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04:27.55Dewilaughs.
04:28.44Dewibenjamindees: er... thanks!
04:29.08Dewibenjamindees: now stick it in the 'auto-apt' factoid as a useful thing to try
04:29.17Dewi**just kidding do not do that**
04:29.40owen1looking for a lightweight command-line image viewer. anyone?
04:30.18jelly-homedoorknob60: the one over on irc.d.o is the official one
04:30.45doorknob60okay, dang cuz im banned from that one, oh well, not that important
04:31.28jelly-homedoorknob60: seeing as you don't really have anything to ask them, no harm done!
04:31.44doorknob60good point, its just i like to answer peoples questions
04:31.56doorknob60not many questions to answer here right now
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04:34.51Dewihmm... since the other channel is official, we should start calling this one the "pirate debian channel"
04:34.55Dewithat would be much more fun
04:35.26doorknob60lol
04:35.37kasmra_owen1: feh
04:36.06owen1kasmra_: yeah, i am reading about it. thanks.
04:36.17kasmra_no problem.
04:36.18cafuegoisn't on the other one, therefore this one is official.
04:36.30doorknob60lol
04:36.57Dewihands out 772 eye-patches.
04:36.57doorknob60im not one the other one cuz im freakin banned, so i agree that this is official :P
04:37.23Dewioh, wait, I should give ChanServ an eye-patch too, he is hardcore
04:37.25cafuegoyou don't get banned for no reason. tssk tssk tssk
04:37.55Dewidoorknob60: the population here has plenty of overlap, so I wouldn't advertise it
04:38.00benjamindeestakes smacnay's eye patch
04:38.04benjamindeesargh!
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04:40.48owen1kasmra_: i can't see a jpg image with feh. any clue?
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04:40.55panzer_hola a todos
04:40.59panzer_alguien usa squid
04:41.00panzer_?
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04:41.54panzer_anypeople use squid server
04:42.02cafuegolots of people use squid
04:42.14cafuegodid you have a problem or was that the actual question?
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04:42.58panzer_cafuego speak spanish ?
04:43.36cafuegopanzer_: Sorry, nederlands, english, deutsch & francais
04:43.39jelly-home!es
04:43.39dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:43.49Bushmillspanzer_: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=squid
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04:44.09panzer_great thanks
04:44.24Bushmillsyw
04:45.48cafuego!pop squid
04:45.48dpkgsings Mc Hammer songs at squid REALLY LOUDLY - CAN'T TOUCH THIS!
04:45.53cafuegoretarded boy!
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04:48.19YouBuckyHi All, how to I perfrom an action such as cat on a variable in  script ie for servername in $(cat $domain.txt);do
04:49.16benjamindeesthe variable is the filename?
04:49.33YouBuckycorrect
04:50.24benjamindeesthat looks okay but you might want to quote it
04:50.46YouBuckyI've tried quotes, double quotes and back ticks... doesnt seem to work
04:50.57cafuegodpkg cmd: pop (.*?) is ($1): Nobody ever uses $1! See http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=$1 for more info.
04:50.57dpkgokay, cafuego
04:51.19benjamindeesaww
04:51.30benjamindeesliked mc hammer better
04:51.34Nylehm
04:51.37Nyle!pop cafuego
04:51.59cafuegoYouBucky: for srv in $(cat "${domain}.txt"); do ... ; done
04:52.07Nylecafuego, no workie
04:52.28YouBuckycafuego/benjamindees: Thanks will try
04:52.42cafuegoNyle: yeah, it seems to store it as 'cmd:' -> 'pop (.*?) is ($1): Nobody ever...'
04:52.51cafuego!literal cmd:
04:52.51dpkg"cmd:" is "($1): Nobody ever uses $1! See http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=$1 for more info."
04:53.05Nylekey CMD: popup (.*?)
04:53.07cafuego!forget cmd:
04:53.07dpkgi forgot cmd:, cafuego
04:53.21Nyleval ($1): Nobody ever uses $1! See http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=$1 for more info
04:53.32Nyleyour key was screwey
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04:53.39hoxu!pop cafuego
04:53.40dpkgNobody ever uses cafuego! See http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=cafuego for more info.
04:53.49Nyle!factinfo pop
04:53.49dpkgpop -- last modified at Tue Mar 11 11:45:44 2003 by Penix!~foobar@dialup-225.222.220.203.acc01-gord-pmq.comindico.com.au; it has been requested 37 times, last by sanelson at Fri Jul 20 11:42:39 2007.
04:54.01cafuego!pop
04:54.01dpkgwell, pop is (Point Of Presence) This is a local telephone number through which you can access your ISP. The largest national ISPs have POPs all over the country. or a common term used for POPs for telephone companies and large data centers or ask me about pop3 if you wanted to know about email.  Piece Of Poo
04:54.05Nylehm
04:54.05cafuegodifferent fact
04:54.08Nyleyeh
04:54.14cafuego!factinfo cmd: pop (.*?)
04:54.14dpkgcmd: pop (.*?) -- created by hoxu <i=hUyTQhRK@unaffiliated/hoxu> 39s ago; it has been requested once, last by hoxu, 35s ago.
04:54.20Nyleword
04:54.35cafuegois too old and too broken
04:56.33panzer_if anypeople use squid what sendme the squid.conf please
04:56.58Nylecafuego, how old/
04:56.59Nyle?
04:57.07Nyle50?
04:57.10Nyle60?
04:57.15Nyle42?
04:57.22NyleI know I know
04:57.25Nyle36!
04:57.25cafuegoNyle: 34
04:57.27Nyleohoh
04:57.28NyleI was close
04:57.30Nyle:)
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04:57.35cafuegoeventually
04:57.38Nylehehe
04:57.39Bushmillspanzer_: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/squid/examples/squid.conf
04:57.46Nyleyou are my older  sister's age
04:57.59cafuegoyou're probably my younger brother's age then
04:58.20panzer_Bushmills thanks lo vere
04:58.24rahul!i forgot rahul's password
04:58.24dpkgit's "ilikesheep"
04:58.28rahulhaha
04:58.39Guerinbah.
04:58.49Nylecafuego, I'mm    27
04:58.57NyleGuerin, hey bro
04:59.00Nylewhas up long time
04:59.11GuerinNyle: yeh, too much work and moving house
04:59.18NyleI just moved too
04:59.20Guerinbetter flat now = win
04:59.21cafuegoNyle: oh, much younger
04:59.32cafuegoGuerin: No more kimchi carpet?
04:59.36Nyle7 years aint much
04:59.40Nylehahaha
04:59.41Nylekimchi carpet
04:59.42Nylelol
04:59.45cafuegoNyle: 30%
04:59.45Guerinnevar!
04:59.58Nylelol
05:00.03Nyleyou actually calculated the %
05:00.05cafuegosee? i ever suck at math
05:00.05Nylehahaha
05:00.10cafuego20%
05:00.16Nyledude...
05:00.18Nylesmoke a fag
05:00.25Nylerelax :)
05:00.26cafuegoNyle: I can't he's at work
05:00.42Nyle?
05:01.13Nyle!dict fag
05:01.13dpkgDictionary 'fag' (1 of 11): FernmeldeAnlagenGesetz telecommunication, Germany.
05:01.13Nylei hope it says cig
05:01.13Nylehmmph.
05:01.13rahullet's go outside and suck on a fag
05:01.14cafuegodpkg: export LANG=en_AU
05:01.14dpkgcafuego: are you using Windows?
05:01.36Nylerahul, you suck balls too
05:01.40Nylestop doing that.
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05:02.01NyleI should get to bed I gotta stuff to do
05:02.05Nyletomorrow
05:02.33rahuldude, there were fireworks in MSG toinght
05:02.41rahuliron FUCKING maiden
05:02.47Nylew/e
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05:02.52rahulridiculous.
05:02.56Nylelet me when necrophagist comes to town
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05:02.59Nyleknow*
05:03.02rahultoo late
05:03.08rahulyou passed on it
05:03.14NyleI did?
05:03.18rahulyep
05:03.21NyleI must have been sick...
05:03.32rahulit was some time around your birthday or something
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05:05.45rahulfalls over
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05:26.08nonfatmatthow can you pass on necrophagist
05:26.22Nyleits not that good.
05:26.46cafuegoin 11
05:26.49nonfatmattcan only afford to listen to one metal band
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05:28.53Nylenonfatmatt, #music
05:28.57spowersHey, can anyone suggest a package to use if i need /usr/bin/sendmail but i don't want to install exim or sendmail or postfix or anything? i just need email from cron and stuff forwarded to our real mail server.
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05:29.35Nyle!info nullmailer
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05:29.40dpkgnullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.04-1 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 404 kB
05:29.46spowersNyle: thankyou
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05:30.28Nyle!nullmailer
05:30.29dpkg[nullmailer] a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package.
05:30.53spowersNyle: nullmailer gets me the daemon, what about /bin/mail
05:31.14Nylenot a clue
05:31.15spowersNyle: oh nevermind, mailx
05:31.21maordebhi, anyone experienced with postfix? im getting no welcome msg ("220 ESMTP Postfix...")
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05:31.31spowersi tried mailx first but it depended on exim || <some other mailer>
05:31.36maordebwhen trying telneting
05:31.45spowersif i installed mailx and nullmailer at the same time it wouldn't have tried exim :)
05:31.52spowershappiness
05:33.02Nyle:)
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05:34.45IronRagequestion for anyone
05:35.02keilahey all.  i asked earlier but my connection dropped so i dont know if you guys answered me (sorry).  i read the man page and added "AllowUsers keila" to sshd_config but when i start sshd it gives me "Bad configuration option: AllowUsers"
05:35.48IronRagehow do i use my wireless internet
05:35.51IronRagei have the wireless working
05:35.53IronRagei just can't find
05:35.59IronRagewhere i go to get the connection
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05:39.12LagboltIronRage, what have you tried? do you have wireless-tools installed? network manager?
05:39.31nonfatmattseconds network manager
05:39.35Nylekeila, what are you trying to do?
05:39.57keilaNyle: only allow ssh access to user keila
05:40.38Pryonkeila: Is that the only error you get?
05:40.47keilaPryon: yes
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05:41.58Nylekeila, did you put in ""?
05:42.16Pryonkeila: Did you put that option in ssh_config or sshd_config?
05:42.37keilasshd_config ...no, no quotes.  i didnt see any mention of quotes in the man page
05:42.44Nyleok good
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05:43.01keilathis is on an etch box, if that matters
05:43.52PryonNot to belabor a point, but does 'grep AllowUsers /etc/ssh/ssh_config' return anything?
05:44.40keilayes.  "AllowUsers keila" with no quotes
05:44.49PryonThat should not be in ssh_config
05:44.51keilano, sorry.  i thought i read sshd_
05:44.52Lagboltshould be in sshd_config i would think
05:45.01keilai misread what you typed, is all
05:45.09keilai meant sshd_
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05:46.55keilai cant believe no one has a quick easy answer for this :P  seems like it should be very simple and that i'm just missing something
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05:47.33Lagboltkeila, where do you get the error
05:47.43Lagboltit appears to work for me
05:47.49keilaLagbolt: when i /etc/init.d/ssh reload
05:47.56Nyleare you sure its in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
05:47.57Nyle?
05:48.00lnxnubiekeila: just in , whats the problem
05:48.03keilayes, i really am sure
05:48.05Lagbolti am using lenny though, maybe it is a bug in etch?
05:48.39Lagboltdoes it matter where it is in the sshd_config? does something have to load before it? i put mine on last line
05:48.58Lagboltusing openssh-server 1:4.7p1-9
05:49.15keilaLagbolt: oh.  i'll try
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05:49.45keilaLagbolt: no, i still get it.  using 4.3p2-9etch2
05:50.19Lagboltwell maybe you can convince someone else in here with etch to give it a try if they already havent.
05:50.43keilawould free porn work?  :P
05:51.05Lagboltlol wow.  pretty sure if they wanted it they would already have it though
05:51.29Lagbolti will try it in my etch chroot
05:51.37Nylekeila, pastebin sshd_config somewhere
05:51.43keilaok
05:51.53PryonI run etch and I use AllowUsers and I have no problems
05:52.09Lagbolthmm well yeah pastebin it like nyle suggests
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05:52.25keilahttp://dpaste.com/56828/
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05:53.03keilaPryon: damn :(
05:53.08PryonIs there a newline at the end of the file (probably doesn't matter, but...
05:53.14owen1i just installed evince (pdf viewer). why did it ask me to install samba?
05:53.32keilaPryon: no
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05:55.16keilaLinux air953.startdedicated.com 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 05:24:08 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux <-- prove that i'm using etch :P
05:55.19IronRageLagbolt,
05:55.25LagboltIronRage, ya?
05:55.27IronRagei tried
05:55.29IronRagefor wireless
05:55.36IronRagei've looked at the wireless management tool
05:55.45IronRageand the network connection manager
05:55.51IronRagei can't figure out where to get the network manager
05:56.00LagboltIronRage, you can put that all on one line. no need to hit enter so much :)
05:56.03Pryonkeila: Just for fun, put a blank line at the bottom of the file and restart sshd
05:56.04Nylekeila,  and what exactly does /etc/init.d/ssh restart say?
05:56.06IronRagelol Lagbolt
05:56.19keilaNyle: no idea.  one sec
05:56.28LagboltIronRage, first off i guess . .. how do you know your wireless is working? does it show up with iwconfig?
05:56.32keilaNyle: oh, you mean the output, not the script?
05:56.37Nyleyes the output
05:56.40IronRageyes Lagbolt
05:56.44IronRagei know wireless works
05:57.00IronRagei just can't find a place like where i can find a list of available wireless nets
05:57.01keilaNyle: http://dpaste.com/56830/
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05:57.34LagboltIronRage, install network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde if you want to get an applet
05:57.49IronRagety Lagbolt <3
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05:57.56LagboltIronRage, you have to have network-manager installed as well
05:58.02dr-evilhmm
05:58.09dr-evilwifi-radar could
05:58.12dr-eviland
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05:58.21Lagboltyeah wifi-radar works too :)
05:58.22dr-eviliwlist iface scan
05:58.59IronRageis confined in his bedroom from 3am on sooooo he can't be on internets otherwise >:(
05:59.17Lagbolttrue but sounds like was looking for the gui solution
05:59.24IronRageyup
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05:59.31liablewhy cant you use network-manager?
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06:01.31keilaNyle pryon thanks for trying.  at least i dont feel like such an idiot anymore :P  oh well
06:01.36IronRageliable, i don't see anything that shows wireless
06:01.39IronRagenor do i see wired
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06:02.07liableIronRage: you need to comment your cards in interfaces file.
06:02.12IronRagedid
06:02.14liableread the docs for it
06:02.16IronRagei know wireless is up
06:02.20IronRagethats not the issue
06:02.25liableIronRage: are you in netdev group?
06:02.35IronRageno...
06:02.41IronRagei'm root
06:02.48LagboltIronRage, does what dr-evil said show networks . . . iwlist iface scan
06:03.23IronRageinterface doesn't support wireless :S
06:03.46IronRageneither support scanning :S
06:03.47LagboltIronRage, then you have either wrong iface or wireless is not working  i believe
06:03.57IronRageprobably the wrong ifcace
06:04.03IronRagecause my wireless card is up
06:04.19Lagboltwhen you do iwconfig what iface does it show as wireless
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06:04.40IronRageneither ;S
06:04.57Lagboltsays no wireless extensions <-- for all?
06:05.02IronRageyes
06:05.10Lagboltthen you have no wireless to connect with
06:05.17IronRage:S
06:05.22Lagboltyou need to load the modules for your wireless card :)
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06:05.24IronRagewould that be my card or no nets to connect with
06:05.26IronRagedamn it
06:05.31IronRagethats what i thought i did earlier :(
06:06.07IronRagesoooo
06:06.09LagboltIronRage, time to start at the beginning . . . what card do you have and how did you try to bring it up
06:06.22IronRagewell i did the ndivwrapper things
06:06.28IronRagedid so much today he can't remember
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06:06.31IronRagei have a realtek
06:06.49keilaIronRage: is it because you're tired or the weed? :P
06:07.11IronRagekeila, i don't smoke weed :P
06:07.12Rat409try lspci | grep Network maybe
06:07.24Nylekeila, this is very strang
06:07.31Nyleyoru config seems to be fine
06:07.41Nylethere are no bugs listedn on openssh-server on etch bts
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06:07.56keilaNyle: yeah.  it's the only line i changed from the clean etch install.  i dont get it :P
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06:08.24LagboltIronRage, when you do ndiswrapper -l does it show your wireless driver?
06:08.42IronRageno
06:09.07Lagboltwell then you have no wireless driver for ndiswrapper to use
06:09.33Lagboltdid you go to ndiswrapper website and download the windows driver for your card?
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06:09.56Nyleman ndiswrapper crashed my firefox
06:10.06NyleI was trying to watch the freakin george carlin video
06:10.06IronRageLagbolt, i installed them through the terminal i think
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06:10.20LagboltNyle, really? that is strange.  :(
06:10.30Lagboltyou think but ndiswrapper -l doesnt show so you didnt
06:10.38Lagboltor didnt do it right that at least
06:10.40Nylewhat
06:10.42Nyleno
06:10.46Nylestop smoking crack.
06:10.47Nyleplease ffs.
06:10.53Nylenspluginwrapper
06:11.03Nylesmacks himself in the head
06:11.06Lagboltffs?
06:11.09Nyle!ffs
06:11.09dpkgffs is probably for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake.  UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake
06:11.12Lagboltah
06:11.13Lagbolt:)
06:11.24IronRageNyle, w/e
06:11.28IronRagedun do drugs
06:11.37Nyledrugs do me.
06:11.39IronRagetho i'm sure you and you homosexual buddies smoke it then have orgies
06:11.40IronRage:)
06:11.59Nylemassive stoner gay hippy orgies
06:12.23IronRageanywho
06:12.24NyleI'm still unclear as to why you're being a dick?
06:12.27Rat409Lagbolt: you need b43-fwcutter ndiswrapper and a 'doze driver
06:12.46IronRagei'm unclear as to why you were?
06:12.46IronRageanywho
06:12.51Rat409least my bcm94311 does
06:12.52IronRageLagbolt, so if i download the drivers
06:12.54LagboltRat409, i know :) it works for me but ironrage is the one trying to make it work
06:12.55IronRagehow do i install them?
06:13.02Lagboltmy 4311 works great too
06:13.05NyleIronRage, I wasn't speaking to you...
06:13.08keilandiswrapper has nothing to do with b43-fwcutter
06:13.10Rat409sorry early am here :(
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06:13.29LagboltRat409, its cool  IronRage read the instructions on the ndiswrapper homepage associated with your card
06:13.36NyleI was talking about myself being confused about nspluginwrapper vs. ndiswrapper and told myself to not smoke crack ffs...
06:13.43IronRagek
06:13.48Nylehow I'm being a dick is now clear to me
06:13.52Nylenot*
06:14.02Nylew/e
06:14.02Rat409keila: no driver will work if it req's firmware
06:14.03IronRagety for the help Lagbolt
06:14.04LagboltIronRage, if you cant figure it out after that let me know
06:14.08IronRagek
06:14.28IronRagehates iceweasel
06:14.37Nyleiceweasel hates you
06:14.41IronRagegood
06:14.42nevyndoesn't everyone
06:14.47IronRageprobably
06:14.48Nyleyeh
06:14.49keilaRat409: stop saying dumb shit.  ndiswrapper does not require b43-fwcutter to work with 94311.  the fwcutter is required *if* you dont use ndiswrapper and use the native b43 driver instead
06:14.50IronRagenot a big deal to me
06:14.50Lagbolt:)
06:14.50Nyleeveryone hates IronRage
06:14.59IronRagecoolies Nyle
06:15.16IronRagetho sadly i don't base my life's worth on others liking me
06:15.23Nyledon't act up again... stay calm...
06:15.30Nyleaint nobody attackin ya
06:15.41Nyleits people jokin around in good nature
06:15.43Nylechill...
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06:16.57Nyleuse b34
06:17.02Nyleits better than ndiswrapper
06:17.19Nyleuses bcm43xx on 2.6.18
06:17.30LagboltNyle, b34 lol :) b43 works well but not with hidden ssid on wpa enterprise :(
06:17.51Lagboltat least for me . .. i havent tried it again for a while. maybe it is time for another go with it
06:17.53NyleI have a broadcom 4306 chip and its patched for injection only on this kernel
06:18.05Nyleyou never know when you will be without internet
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06:18.36NyleI just reboot with my injection driver kernel and get a few weps and enjoy my illegal activities online
06:18.53NyleI like broadcom, its also in my linksys router
06:19.02Nylealso patched for injection in the custom firmware
06:19.19NyleI used to use ndiswrapper but it was slow as balls
06:19.39Nyleso slow like 1 mbps IF that
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06:20.06NyleI switched to bcm43xx and voila, it worked.  then again I've never used b43 so I have no idea
06:20.17Nyleback in my day it was bcm43xx (titled)
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06:24.13IronRageLagbolt,
06:24.18IronRagei would want wireless lan drivers right?
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06:27.25LagboltIronRage, yeah. what is your chipset again?
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06:27.40IronRagerealtek rtl8187b
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06:28.25thedeificon1i am running Ubuntu (Hardy) and have a Intel 945GM Chipset video card, and i am using the new INTEL driver.... i am only getting about 800 FPS and i used 2 get about 1800 on glxgears on another distro... cant even play UT2004... claims direct rendering is working... is this a known problem for the new INTEL driver ? I got no reply from the Ubuntu room
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06:28.44LagboltIronRage, what is the usb bus id  . .. . from lsusb
06:28.59defryskthedeificon1, /j #someotherubunturoom
06:29.12IronRage0.o
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06:29.42IronRagek'8i768i7888888888888888888888888888888888888888
06:29.44IronRageuuuuuu88i7nn8iu
06:29.51LagboltIronRage, what was that?
06:29.57IronRagewhooops
06:30.08IronRagei dropped my laptop :S
06:30.16IronRageit hitsome keys
06:30.17IronRagehsujm
06:30.30IronRagejust bumped something*
06:30.40IronRagemy tping sucks at night
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06:30.43IronRage*typing
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06:32.13keilathedeificon1: this is not #ubuntu.  this is #debian
06:32.43keila!tell thedeificon1 about based on
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06:33.28LagboltIronRage, there are two cards listed that i see as rtl8187b on ndiswrapper site.  use lsusb command to identify the usb bus id and compare on ndiswrapper list of cards
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06:35.22predscan I use apt-cache search to find if a package has a particular file in it?
06:35.35predsie I specify a filename and I get a list of packages back that have a file with that name?
06:35.38keilapreds: apt-file
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06:36.39IronRagethanks Lagbolt
06:37.02owen1what package do i need to get X headers?
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06:37.47keilaowen1: probably libx11-dev
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06:38.38owen1keila: thanks
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06:39.55predsmuchos danke keila
06:40.17keilanp :P
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06:43.12aumhi - since a recent apt-get upgrade (which installed iceweasel v3), every time i start iceweasel it displays the 'iceweasel is not your default browser' dialog, even though i say 'yes' every time - any ideas?
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06:44.12keilaaum: debian does not have iceweasel 3 (other than in experimental, which apt-get upgrade wouldnt get), so you're probably looking for #ubuntu
06:44.26aumi'm running debian sid
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06:44.52ukatanaum, you're running a weird sid version
06:45.05ukatanin any case, try turning off the check
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06:45.11ukatanit's in iceweasel preferences
06:45.15zxhow to check if a new package is available?
06:45.19zxlike with dpkg command
06:45.21zxor apt
06:45.31\amethystum
06:45.38zxand how to tell the current installed package version?
06:45.39Dewizx: sudo aptitude -s upgrade
06:45.39aumapt-cache showpkg gives:
06:45.40aumPackage: iceweasel
06:45.40aumVersions:
06:45.40aum3.0~rc2-1
06:45.48\amethystpackages.debian.org shows iceweasel 3 in sid
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06:45.55Dewizx: for a specific package, apt-cache policy <pkg>
06:45.59\amethyst3.0~rc2-1
06:46.08streuner\amethyst: and?
06:46.11zxic
06:46.23streuner\amethyst: old news
06:46.34zeebleIs there a debian guide/unofficial howto for installing on a macbook pro?
06:46.36\amethyststreuner:  someone was claiming aum must be running either ubuntu or experimental
06:46.38ukatananyways, aum, it's most likely a bug in iceweasel
06:46.45aumthe problem is that even when i click 'yes' to set iceweasel as my default browser, this setting does not get written
06:46.46streuner\amethyst: no
06:46.51zxok, so how do I know if a new version is available?
06:47.01ukatanaum, disable the check entirely
06:47.10\amethyststreuner:  < keila:#debian> aum: debian does not have iceweasel 3 (other than in experimental, which apt-get upgrade wouldnt get), so you're probably looking for #ubuntu
06:47.11ukatanit won't necessarily fix the problem but it should stop pestering you at least
06:47.11streuner\amethyst: rc1 was in experimental and didn't work, rc2 is now in unstable and running like a charm here ;-)
06:47.12Dewizx: I just told you two ways...
06:47.23\amethyststreuner:  oh, so rc2 is really firefox 2?
06:47.26Dewizx: run aptitude update first, of course
06:47.38Dewizx: so your sources are up-to-date with respect to the repositories
06:47.41streunerargh
06:47.50streunerff3
06:47.55aumtests 'default browser' - ignore this - www.google.com
06:47.58streuner!info iceweasel
06:48.01dpkgiceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB
06:48.16zxu mean apt-get update?
06:49.22keila<PROTECTED>
06:49.28keiladamnit
06:49.57streuner\amethyst: ff 3, rc2 is in unstable/sid !
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06:50.11aarcaneHi, I'm having an odd permission issue
06:50.29aarcaneI've got a folder that's got group permissions of rwx.
06:50.42aarcaneI can't seem to chmod into that dir though, even though I'm a member of that group
06:51.06aarcaneall the files 660, and the folders are 670
06:51.36\amethyststreuner:  I know that.  keila was the one claiming it wasn't
06:52.15streuner\amethyst: argh, iam getting a headache today, i need a coffee :-)
06:52.19\amethyststreuner:  then I got confused when you said "no", I thought you meant keila was right :)
06:52.19Dewiaarcane: chmod "into"? do you mean chdir?
06:52.29aarcaneyeah
06:52.29Dewiaarcane: (cd)
06:52.36aarcanebad typo, sorry
06:52.54\amethystaarcane:  are you the owner?
06:52.59streuner\amethyst: great, the confusing is now perfect. i need a coffee now :-)
06:53.08Dewiaarcane: can you access the directory above?
06:53.10owen1anyone know why i had to install samba as part of evince?
06:53.26\amethystaarcane:  becuae 670 means the group can traverse the directory but the owner cannot
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06:53.35Dewi\amethyst: does that override?
06:53.47Dewi\amethyst: the owner forbidden thing?
06:53.57\amethystDewi:  yup
06:54.03Dewi\amethyst: ooh, never knew that
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06:54.15aarcanewell, it's my wife and I
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06:54.32aarcanethe folder is owned by me, but she has group write and execute permissions, but she can't copy files in
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06:55.44\amethystDewi:  it works the same way for ACLs too: user permissions effectively override group ACLS
06:56.13\amethysts/permissions|ACLS/ACL entries/
06:56.41Dewiputs his hands over his ears and repeats "I don't believe in ACLs!"
06:56.46Dewigrins.
06:56.59DewiI can't handle anything more complex than unix modes. :P
06:59.55jelly-homesetfacls all of Dewi's files
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07:04.47rvsjoenI need to get a copy of all the debian packages, what would be the most convenient way to do this ? get the DVD's or mirror an archive site ? are there other clever ways of achieving this ? preferable also containing the non-free and contrib packages
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07:05.52markybob!jigdo
07:05.53dpkgi guess jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/  or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html
07:06.11markybobor rsync.  whichever method you prefer
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07:07.41BramuShow can i set the time for my debian 3.1 box?
07:07.54streuner!set time
07:07.54dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
07:08.17BramuSah ok thanks streuner
07:09.22BramuSstreuner do you know how it is possible that it suddenly changed time to like 6 hours 30mins earlier?
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07:10.56streunerwait, my crystal-thingie is in low stat ;-)
07:11.29streunerBramuS: what did you change on that system?
07:11.36BramuSnothing
07:11.42BramuSit is running directadmin
07:11.52BramuSand i noticed the backups came in at this time
07:12.01streunerdirectadmin?
07:12.04BramuSand normally they should come in at about 02:00 and 04:00 on ftp
07:12.10BramuScontrol panel for webhosting boxes
07:12.19markybobBramuS, are you dual-booting?
07:12.22BramuSdidnt change/install/configure anything on on the box
07:12.27BramuSno markybob
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07:13.42streunerso somebody else install Debian sarge for you on a remote box, right?
07:13.48streunerinstalled*
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07:15.05BramuSno i did install myself
07:15.20markybobwhy'd you install sarge?
07:15.51BramuSwhy not?
07:16.07markybobbecause it's ancient?  the current release is etch?
07:16.28BramuSi installed it at about 4months ago
07:16.30BramuS5months
07:16.37markybobthe current release was still etch
07:16.39BramuSand at that part directadmin was not supported on 4.0
07:16.51BramuSthats why i took 3.1
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07:20.06znhHello. I'd like to configure a mail server, purely to allow incoming mail to be processed. Is there a step by step guide available somewhere? I have no idea which keyword on Google can help me on
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07:23.36SPFznh: I would recommend installing postfix
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07:23.57markybobznh, http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch  includes email
07:24.28markybob(yes, postfix)
07:24.33OpenTokixmmmm perfect and debian in the same sentance
07:24.56markybobOpenTokix, you're in #debian, remember
07:25.04OpenTokixmarkybob: yes =)
07:25.06OpenTokixmarkybob: I know
07:25.09OpenTokixmarkybob: im just enjoying it
07:25.30OpenTokixmarkybob: my happy place before I have to dive into centos, rhel and fedora
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07:26.20markybobi try centos ever year or so.  every time i swear i'll never even look at the other side again.  anything not debian is evil, unstable and fucking wrong
07:26.37OpenTokixmarkybob: amen
07:27.01OpenTokixmarkybob: The funniest thing to do is 1. try CentOS 2. Read their "about"
07:27.11OpenTokixmarkybob: "blah blah, stable, blah, enterprise, blah"
07:27.36OpenTokixmarkybob: And then you think about debian with a mirrorlist that isn't round robin and packages that go thru a long verification cycle etc. =)
07:27.46markybobtheir damn fucking package selection program in x (whatever it's called) crashes more times than wine would crash any windows app
07:27.49markybobit's all shit
07:27.54OpenTokixmarkybob: yes
07:28.07OpenTokixI don't even use it - since it isn't showing all packages
07:28.21OpenTokixmarkybob: do you wanna hear the absolutly bestest part with package-managment in CentOS?
07:28.28rvsjoenhow do you search for man(2) pages on packages.debian.org ? I need the man(2) bind pages, but just searching for "bind" doesnt give me anything useful
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07:28.52OpenTokixmarkybob: Packages can haev mixed caps and small letter.... but the search is case sensitive. So if you search for libxm, and the package is called libXm, you won't find it!
07:29.23markybobdoesnt surprise me.  i smoke my share of weed, but damn, at least debian makes sense
07:29.50OpenTokixyeah
07:29.52OpenTokixhehe
07:29.59markybobaside from le_vert
07:30.04markybobi hate that motherfucker
07:30.15OpenTokixI don't know how it is
07:30.17OpenTokixwho
07:30.56znhSPF:  yes but postfix is very complicated
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07:31.09markybobdeveloper making my life hell.  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486302 i filed that last night
07:31.22markybobno surprise, he didnt respond
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07:32.00markybobznh, depends.  compared to qmail, postfix is a walk in the park
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07:44.05Poundyzhi all
07:44.48Poundyzhi all
07:44.58Poundyzi've got problem w/ my apt ... apparently the apt-get command gone after I've installed several apps & restarted my box .. whenever i do a #dpkg -l i still can see apt & apt-utils ..but there's prefix 'rc' in front of them
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07:45.38wols_reinstall it then
07:46.04Nylemarkybob, I wouldn't either, you come at it in a very horrible manner
07:46.20Poundyzwols_: I've tried to #dpkg -i apt-blah.deb ... but it complainting some "conflicting"
07:46.33Poundyzis there's any switch i can use for force install ?
07:46.39wols_of course.but what did it complain about?
07:46.48Poundyzdpkg conflicts with apt (<< 0.7.7)
07:46.50wols_Poundyz: fix your conflict instead
07:46.57Poundyzapt (version 0.6.46.4-0.1) is to be installed.
07:46.57aptPoundyz: okay
07:47.02wols_Poundyz: did you botch an upgrade
07:47.05Poundyzsorry I was new to debian :(
07:47.16wols_apt forget (version 0.6.46.4-0.1)
07:47.16aptwols_: i forgot (version 0.6.46.4-0.1)
07:47.45wols_Poundyz: full output
07:48.12rvsjoenis it possible to get a "package with all its dependencies" from packages.debian.org ?
07:48.16wols_and apt-cache policy apt
07:48.18Poundyzcan i just paste it here ?
07:48.20markybobNyle, i'm simply tired of it.  it wasnt the first time he's fucked up.  look at the list of him requieseting to be a developer.  no one backed him
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07:48.24markybobhe's trash
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07:48.30wols_rvsjoen: no. look into apt-get and apt-zip
07:48.33markyboband i want him out of my tash
07:48.35markybobtrash
07:48.47markybobjust that simple
07:48.51Poundyzdpkg: regarding apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb containing apt:
07:48.51dpkgPoundyz: I wish you would RTFM.
07:48.52Poundyz<PROTECTED>
07:48.54Poundyz<PROTECTED>
07:48.54aptokay, Poundyz
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07:49.02wols_Poundyz: stop that
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07:49.12wols_apt forget (version 0.6.46.4-0.1)
07:49.12aptwols_: i forgot (version 0.6.46.4-0.1)
07:49.15Nyle!paster
07:49.15dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
07:49.35Nyle!tell Poundyz -about paste
07:49.47rvsjoenok, problem is I dont have a debian distro on my hands, but thanks
07:49.58Nyle!d-i rvsjoen
07:49.58dpkgrvsjoen, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
07:50.10Poundyzwol_: http://paste.debian.net/6593/
07:50.15Nylervsjoen, there are many ways to get debian
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07:51.12rvsjoenthing is I have debian on an offline machine, and would like to install for example samba, and samba has a lot of deps. was hoping to avoid to grab them manually from packages.debian.org
07:51.20wols_Poundyz: did you try to upgrade to lenny or such?
07:51.34Skratz0rIs there any simple way to choose a wireless network without having to click the Network Manager applet, then go to configure; then choose one?
07:51.38Poundyzwols_: errmm ... what's lenny ? sorry i'm new to debian
07:51.46wols_Poundyz: testing
07:51.57wols_Poundyz: what did you do exactly?
07:52.02Skratz0r!tell Poundyz about Lenny
07:52.20wols_rvsjoen: apt-zip
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07:52.26Skratz0rExplain your question? :-)
07:52.33wols_!tell rvsjoen about apt-zip
07:52.34Nylemarkybob, harsh mate
07:52.40Poundyzwols_: okay.. i didn't upgrade to lenny... i'm using 4.0r3 ...
07:52.41Skratz0r!tell Skratz0r about apt-zip
07:52.42Nylea bit
07:52.56Skratz0rHmm
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07:53.12wols_Poundyz: your dpkg is NOT from 4.0.r3
07:53.24Poundyzhuh ?? is there anyway i can downgrade it ?
07:53.27rvsjoenthansk
07:53.33wols_Poundyz: no
07:53.38wols_!info dpkg etch
07:53.58dpkgdpkg: (package maintenance system for Debian), section admin, is required. Version: 1.13.25 (etch), Packaged size: 1983 kB, Installed size: 6296 kB
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07:55.03wols_!info apt etch
07:55.05dpkgapt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.46.4-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1403 kB, Installed size: 4312 kB
07:56.38wols_Poundyz: you can either downgrade the offending packages manually (mainly dpkg I guess) or you can reinstall debian or you can upgrade to lenny
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07:57.35Poundyzerrm.. sorry where can i find .deb files ? cuz all this while i've been working w/ rpm only :(
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07:58.30rvsjoenfeels sorry for you
07:58.38jelly-homesmells trolls
07:58.46streunerme too
07:59.50slxxshowers.
07:59.52streunerPoundyz: can you ask a clear question, please?
08:00.09streuner!ask
08:00.09dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:00.10Poundyzstreuner: is there any website like www.rpmfind.net for .deb ?
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08:00.53reisidoes anyone know a good how to on ldap based system *administration*? as in, how do you after installing and configuring ldap manage users, groups etc?
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08:03.03gamla_kossanhi people. I'm looking for patches to the SSH keys bug reported a couple of weeks ago, could anyone point me in the right general direction? :>
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08:03.16streunerPoundyz: Do you have Debian installed?
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08:04.10Poundyzstreunner: okay, i've got it working ,.. apparently my dpkg upgrade to some 1.14 and apt-get was being removed
08:04.24Poundyzafter downgrade dpkg and re-install apt now it work
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08:04.24streunerheh
08:04.37streunerapt-get removed?
08:04.54Poundyzyea, no idea why apt-get was removed
08:05.09streunerPoundyz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
08:05.22KineticBugGah what's the name of the email log again
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08:05.39streuner/var/log/mail.info?
08:05.44jelly-home/var/log/mail.log?
08:05.49KineticBugThat's it
08:05.50KineticBugThanks
08:05.55KineticBugI was trying locate email >.<
08:05.59Poundyzstreuner: ii  libc6          2.7-10         GNU C Library: Shared libraries
08:06.25streuner!+tell Poundyz -about search
08:06.36streunerdpkg, wake up!
08:06.52streunerhm
08:06.58jelly-homePoundyz: your system was messed with. Did you have testing or unstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list at some point in time?
08:07.02streunergone
08:07.03THH08hi all ,i am new to debian irc ,how to read the guide file
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08:07.52streunerdpkg, hi
08:08.12THH08streuner: thx .
08:08.17THH08dpkg hi
08:08.23streunerdondelelcaro: ^^^
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08:08.56streuneruhm, netsplit
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08:09.09streunerdpkg, hi
08:09.26THH08i type 'dpkg hi ' but it did not work
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08:09.41streunerprolly the netsplit causes this...
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08:10.11dpkghello
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08:10.59THH08dpkg is robot?
08:11.01dpkgTHH08: no idea
08:11.07streunerdpkg, What are you?
08:11.07dpkgI am a infobot. For more info see <infobot>
08:11.50THH08how to see <infobot> (i am new to irc
08:12.17streunerTHH08: /msg dpkg infobot (/message bot factoid)
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08:13.00THH08streuner: thank you
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08:14.07streunerTHH08: np
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08:17.02kill-9hey anyone here has used debian kbsd?
08:17.48c0nfl|ct<PROTECTED>
08:18.18streunertarzeau comes to mind :-)
08:18.51streuner!kbsd
08:18.52dpkgsomebody said kbsd was shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd
08:19.00streuner!factinfo kbsd
08:19.00dpkgkbsd -- created by supaplex <n=supaplex@shell.aros.net> at Sat Sep  9 03:01:17 2006 (646 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by streuner, 9s ago.
08:19.22kill-9streuner what mirror do i put on it?
08:19.32kill-9any ideas the one from freebsd does not work gives me an error message
08:21.15kill-9so i can download the packages
08:21.28streunerask in #gnu-kbsd about
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08:22.17THH08clear
08:22.35streunerdpkg, kbsd is <reply> shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd (irc.freenode.net)
08:22.36dpkg...but kbsd is already something else...
08:22.49streunerdpkg, no kbsd is <reply> shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd (irc.freenode.net)
08:22.49dpkgstreuner: okay
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08:23.42THH08streuner: how to get the list of all the Channel
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08:25.00MrBrushWhat is a good interval to set in putty to connect with putty to my shell (for keepalive)
08:25.09MrBrushWhat is a good interval to set in putty to connect with putty to my shell (for keepalive)
08:25.15MrBrusherr
08:25.44KineticBughowever long your host keeps you connected for without activity - 1?
08:25.52MrBrushlike 20 secs
08:25.56MrBrushwould that be too fast?
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08:27.41THH08how to get the list of all the Channel
08:27.47Skratz0r/list
08:27.50Skratz0rBeware
08:27.58Skratz0rIt can take ages.. And crash your client; sometimes
08:28.09Skratz0rIt can be quite a long list on well-used servers
08:28.13Skratz0r(Such as freenode..)
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08:29.23THH08thanks for your information
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08:31.30tenzindhi .. can i use a normal debian i386 cd to install Debian on a Macbook?
08:31.48JemtYes, if it's based on an Intel processer
08:32.05JemtIf it uses PowerPC, then no
08:32.17tenzindJemt: it is
08:32.22JemtIs what ?
08:32.25tenzindbased on intel
08:32.35JemtThen go ahead and install Debian :)
08:32.49JemtI'm running Debian on my Mac Mini
08:32.53tenzindJemt: thanks ... Debian it is then!!!
08:32.58Jemt;)
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08:34.16Alarmhello, i got a mount problem with my external usb hdd drive.
08:34.49Skratz0rD:
08:34.51Alarmit is a 80gb ntfs partition , when turning it on (i use kde) , and try to enter it, i get an error message "could not enter folder /media/Movable"
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08:35.14Skratz0rDo you have perms for that folder?
08:35.32Alarmthe folder is being created automatically every time i turn the drive on
08:35.39Alarmand erased every time i turn it of
08:35.42Alarmoff
08:36.06Alarmthe permitions i see for the moment are: dr-x------  1 root root   4096 2007-10-15 10:07 Movable-1
08:36.39Skratz0rWell; you don't have permissions then..
08:36.40Alarmwhen i create a Movable folder by myself with permitions for my user. the system creates automatically a 2nd folder as you can see "Movable-1"
08:36.49Skratz0rHmm
08:36.55Skratz0rdr-x------
08:36.57ElligAlarm: is your user in the mount group?
08:37.05Skratz0rMeans only root can read and execute stuff ont hat drive
08:37.19Alarmso once i created a folder Movable on my own, changed ownership and permitions on the folder, the "automount or whatever that is" created a second folder Movable-1
08:37.31AlarmEllig, let me check this
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08:38.17Alarmthere is no mount group
08:38.29Alarmbut my user is a member of the group plugdev
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08:38.58Elligah yes, forgot, was the cdrom group i was thinking about, i was having trouble mounting cdrom as user earlier, my bad
08:39.34Alarmeven pmount does work:
08:39.38Alarmrockpc:/media# pmount /dev/sda1 ------- Error: device /dev/sda1 is already mounted to /media/Movable-1
08:40.03OpenTokixAlarm: chmod 777 /media/Movable-1
08:40.13AlarmOpenTokix, should i first umount it ?
08:40.17OpenTokixAlarm: nah
08:40.27OpenTokixAlarm: is it a usb-driveor something?
08:40.30Alarmrockpc:/media/Movable-1# chmod 777 /media/Movable-1
08:40.30Alarmchmod: changing permissions of `/media/Movable-1': Read-only file system
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08:40.36OpenTokixAlarm: ok
08:40.38Alarmextern usb hdd with ntfs
08:40.40OpenTokixAlarm: do it like this
08:41.01OpenTokixAlarm: mount -o remount,username=yourusername,group=yourgroup /device/ /mount/point
08:41.06Alarmbtw, when plugin in a flush stick , its being mounted without any problem at all
08:41.24OpenTokixAlarm: why do you owanna write a ntfs-drive?
08:41.44Alarmi dont want to write, i want to read
08:41.54Alarmi cant even access it as a simple user, only as root
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08:42.19Alarmrockpc:/media/Movable-1# mount -o remount,username=alarm,group=alarm /dev/sda1 /media/Movable-1/
08:42.19Alarmmount: you must specify the filesystem type
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08:44.12Alarmany other suggestions ? :)
08:44.37THH08ntfs-3g
08:44.48OpenTokixAlarm: yeah, add -t ntfs-3g
08:44.55RichiHjust wondered.. is there a complement to ctrl-u, i.e. erase to SOL that will erase to EOL?
08:45.01TiMiDo!kbsd
08:45.04THH08:)
08:45.06Alarmi do not have ntfs-3g installed, and i do not need any write access
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08:45.31Alarmjust to read files from that disk as a simple user
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08:46.08THH08i think install ntfs-3g first ,then mount your disk mannualy can work out your problem
08:46.34Alarmhaving just a read access should not require 3g
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08:52.20joltcanAlarm: use uid/gid for the user it shall be mounted as
08:53.08Alarmwith more details ?
08:53.17joltcanAlarm: or umask
08:53.29joltcanAlarm: or a combination of those three :)
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08:53.45Alarmok i will use them, but first if i understand what i should do :)
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08:54.04dpkgOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of jodd)
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08:54.17Skratz0rBoo; kde
08:54.20Internatso.. out of interest a standard debian base install + kde should be under 2gig right?
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08:54.42joltcanAlarm: add them with -o uid=foo,umask=0755 when you mount
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08:55.22Alarmok let me try. although its being automounted every time i turn it on
08:55.23soulchildHI ALL, what do i have to write in .xinitrc so that xscreensaver is started automaticlly with icewm,...
08:55.34soulchildI already have "exec icewm-session"
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08:56.15soulchild!xscreensaver
08:56.15dpkgxscreensaver is, like, at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/
08:56.41TiMiDo!interfaces
08:56.41dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
08:56.45Alarmonce turned on , its being automounted as i said, i can see that on mtap /dev/sda1 /media/Movable-1 ntfs rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,utf8 0 0
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08:58.11THH08Alarm: if i were you ,i will try this "sudo mount -o utf8,umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt"
08:58.28fabiobHi, options bond0 -o bond0 [parameters] in modules.d doesn't work in etch
08:58.44fabiobThe manpage for modprobe.conf says it should.
08:58.54fabiobIs this a bug?
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08:59.45Alarmok, that maybe would fix for the moment the problem, but remember its a usb device. which means other devices could use the /dev/sda1 also...
09:00.17resskinCan I ask about the wisdom of adding developer aptitude lines to get updates sooner?
09:00.23fabiobmodprobe -v bond0 shows insmod running and it doesn't have any -o switch.
09:01.47resskinAre there any conflict issues to bear in mind if the product is already in the repository
09:01.47soulchildwhere is the .XClient file ?
09:01.47THH08so , you just need install ntfs-3g .it can solve you problem permanently
09:01.48AlarmTHH08,  if u want to resize a picture , instead of doing it with a simple image viewer , you install gimp ?
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09:04.40THH08ok,here is my opinion about your problem: something wrong with your ntfs disk in your last use, 2 way can sovle it. first one is use it in windows and windows can fix it .the second one is install ntfs-3g ,it can fix the error too.
09:05.23Alarmthats something i did not check , a dirty disk
09:05.25THH08i got this trouble before ,and i install the ntfs-3g ,then my ntfs disks works well
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09:05.36Alarmbut if it would be this case, i would not be able to read its content as a root also
09:05.40THH08sorry for my poor english
09:05.54THH08i just can give you this information
09:05.55Alarmdont worry dude, my english not well either :)
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09:06.44Alarmbut  i will check what u just said, doing a simple scandisk under winblows
09:07.31Alarmbe right back
09:07.37THH08ok
09:07.43THH08wait for your good news
09:07.47Alarmhehe
09:07.54Alarmhope so
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09:24.42solemnwarningHi all
09:25.08solemnwarningIs there some reason /var/tmp keeps being filled up with sort files until the disk slowly fills up?
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09:25.23Bushmillssolemnwarning: yes
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09:26.34solemnwarning...and it is?
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09:27.45Bushmillssolemnwarning: i have no idea
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09:28.29Bushmillsi only know that there is a reason - or it wouldn't fill up
09:28.37rgrIs anyone aware of any update to Lenny which would stop my external USB drives auto mounting at system boot? I have to manually mount both for the past day or so. There were no changes to the fstab.
09:28.51Elligdoes the package java-common contain all I need to compile java?
09:29.11THH08rgr: no
09:29.15andashsolemnwarning, from google : "The sort command uses /var/tmp to store temporary files, unless you specify another directory using either the -T option or by setting the environment variable TMPDIR in the environment of the invoking process. Sorting large files, for example, may exhaust the available space in /var/tmp. In this case, you must specify an alternate temporary directory that has more free space, as shown in these examples:" http://uw713doc.c
09:29.18THH08i use lenny now ,it works well
09:29.33Bushmillssolemnwarning: actually, that's not quite true. i know the reason
09:29.45solemnwarningandash: But why wouldn't it delete the files when it's done?
09:30.36rgrTHH08: and how many USB drives do you have permanently plugged in?
09:30.38solemnwarningBushmills: Why?
09:30.53Bushmillssolemnwarning: because the program creating them doesn't delete them
09:31.42solemnwarningNo reason aside from not thinking then?
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09:32.02THH084
09:32.07THH08rgr: 4
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09:34.47pifhi, anyone know where I can find perl-5.10.0-11 ?
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09:49.37vjtpif, http://snapshot.debian.net/
09:49.37vjtpif, ? :)
09:52.36pifvjt: it seems the package is not out yet
09:53.22pifbut I'm looking for perl-debian packager's svn repository where I can check out that version
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09:55.20MitsuoDeshoDeshoshould i use testing or unstable?
09:55.39MitsuoDeshoDeshoi am running a desktop pc to stability is not the gratests concern
09:55.47MitsuoDeshoDeshogreatest*
09:56.24THH08testing
09:56.53THH08i use lenny now .it works well ,lenny is stable enough for me
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10:00.55MitsuoDeshoDeshounstable is that bad? :P
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10:02.02AbsintheSyringeevery time I try to access my site I get to download ".phtml", this started happening after I enabled ssl support, anyone? debian etch
10:02.04Kamping_Kaiseryes it is
10:05.55themilldpkg: tell MitsuoDeshoDesho about unstable
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10:08.05larslI'm trying to partition a 500GB IDE drive using gparted. I want one 10GB partition and one that covers the rest, and gparted says that I need to create an extended partition first if I want to have multiple partitions - but if I do that I get an error when I hit "Apply" (loop disk labels do not support extended partitions).
10:08.11larslAny idea how to get around that?
10:08.51themillMitsuoDeshoDesho: sid is not designed for use by people as a general rule. It's designed to be a syncing ground for packages to compile against each other before they go into testing. That some people actively involved in debian development use it is a strange gentoo-esque side effect. That other people use sid is (imo) just stupid. Sid is usually broken (depsite what people tell you) and you just don't want to go there.
10:09.48larslI don't understand why it wont let me add two primary partitions - aren't 4 the maximum number?
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10:10.05Internathow much of a good/bad idea is it to store /var/cache/apt/archives on a nfs drive somewhere?
10:10.47BushmillsMitsuoDeshoDesho: "unstable" can also mean, not being able to run a particular program for some time. bad when that happens with one you use or need routinely
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10:12.42BushmillsMitsuoDeshoDesho: in general, you have additional work, and need to invest more time, for no real benefit, when preferring unstable over testing, seen from the using side of unstable.
10:13.18Bushmillswhether that's bad is up to you
10:15.05larslOh, never mind - if I change the label type to msdos all is well.
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10:19.49Kamping_Kaiserno
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10:20.25dmsegwhat to do now!?
10:20.43azeemdmseg: what do you want to do?
10:21.23themillKamping_Kaiser: it can be used in a rescue mode though, but not a clicky gnome/kde mode like knoppix etc
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10:22.00Kamping_Kaiserthemill, true. i always think of that as 'rescue' and not 'live' (probably my bad too)
10:22.40themillKamping_Kaiser: yeah... depends wtf dmesg is/was trying to do. Other than be obtuse and/or troll, that is.
10:23.00Kamping_Kaiserthemill, yeah
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10:52.12ratiHey I have debian etch and when I start my machine my Lan card is not detected. I cant see my Lan card in ifconfig
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11:07.25randallhow do i install java and flash on debian
11:07.36azeem!install java
11:07.36dpkgFree java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>.
11:07.39azeem!flash
11:07.39dpkgfrom memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or  <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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11:08.50Elligwhen trying to play a custom wav file using thunderbird, im getting error /dev/dsp: Device or resource Busy, anyway I can use alsa to play this sound?
11:09.40jetscreamerisn't dsp oss or something like that?
11:09.47jetscreamer!dsp
11:09.47dpkgdsp is probably (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of putting all ...
11:10.31__ryan__if i remember you can only have 1 app using dsp at a time?
11:10.35__ryan__isn't it really depreceated
11:10.47jetscreamer/dev/adsp is alsa, maybe
11:10.49rdzhi all. i realized, that i have an insane amount of ram in my box, which i hardly ever fully use. that is why i would like to rather write logs and such to ram than to disk, so that i can turn off the disk for energy saving mode. how could this be achieved?
11:10.56jetscreameri never made sure
11:11.07Elligoh ok, its just i can find any place to set what it uses
11:11.10azeemadsp?
11:11.15jetscreamer!ramdisk
11:11.15dpkgwell, ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition.  See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html
11:11.16rdzjetscreamer, yeah /dev/dsp is oss, but it's only an oss emulation by alsa,
11:11.43rdzthat is why, when pulseaudio or esd or any other soundserver is running, /dev/dsp might not be available.
11:11.46__ryan__i just installed beryl lol, fun stuff
11:11.59rdzjetscreamer, hey thanks a lot
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11:12.40Elligazeem: : yes adsp
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11:13.19azeemEllig: you said /dev/dsp above
11:13.30Elligyes, its using /dev/dsp at the moment,
11:13.35Elligi think i want alsa though right?
11:13.58azeemI guess, yes
11:14.05azeemalso isn't adsp though
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11:14.36jetscreamer!adsp
11:14.43jetscreamer:(
11:14.44F6Fhi
11:14.45rdzEllig, the alsa device nodes are in /dev/snd/, agaik
11:14.47rdzafaik
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11:15.02Elligok thanks! but where would i set this for thunderbird?
11:15.18azeemno idea, thunderbird should figure it out itself, IMO
11:15.22rdzEllig, however, usually you don't specify the device node directly, when starting an alsa app, but the some cardnumbner/devicenumber
11:15.28remoteCTRLhi all! anyone happen to know what kernel version lenny and unstalble are at atm?
11:15.34rdzEllig, oh.. hm. i don't have it here
11:15.41jetscreamerit has a 'similar to' about:config ... i forget how to access it, and don't know for sure if it does the job
11:15.46azeemremoteCTRL: check packages.debian.org/src:linux-2.6
11:15.53Elligah ok, il have a look
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11:16.13remoteCTRLazeem: uh-ok, thanks
11:16.36cydorkEllig, try starting thunderbird with aoss, i.e. aoss thunderbird
11:16.40jetscreamer!search
11:16.41dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
11:18.23jetscreamerdo you have to escape ! in something like s/!search/!tell\ remoteCTRL\ about\search/ ?
11:18.32remoteCTRLazeem: ok, here it says unstalbe has current kernel version 2.6.25... and lenny 2.6.22... so if i want a 2.6.24 kernel i would apt-pin that to the unstalble release, right?
11:18.49jetscreamerlenny is .24
11:19.18jetscreameror was last week
11:19.40azeemhrm, weird
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11:19.46azeemremoteCTRL: indeed, lenny is 2.6.24
11:19.46__ryan__remoteCTRL,  you can try etchnhalf
11:19.53remoteCTRLuhu ok accrding to azeems link its 2.6.22-6.lenny1...
11:20.00__ryan__!etchnhalf
11:20.00dpkgfrom memory, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
11:20.07azeemno idea why packages.d.o is wrong
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11:20.17jetscreamerit may still have .22 available.. don't think so but maybe
11:20.24remoteCTRLah that is good news in that case i got what i need! thanks alot guys!
11:20.27jetscreamerbut the latest in lenny is .24
11:20.56azeemmaybe it's because lenny-security has some 2.6.22 packages, so it prefers to display that
11:21.00jetscreamertries to go back to sleep
11:21.18remoteCTRLheh sweet dreams then
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11:22.11remoteCTRLyeah i dont want to get away to far from the original distro, otherwise kmuto would also have been an option, i just need some enhanced driver compatibilitiy, everything works just fine...
11:22.29azeemremoteCTRL: then try etchnhalf or kmuto
11:22.42__ryan__etchnhalf works mint for me, no problems at all
11:22.47remoteCTRLazeem i prefer to apt-pin the kernel
11:23.12remoteCTRLonce more, thanks alot guys
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11:23.25kantoris that possible in a strange way that some operating system (badly designed, configured ones) could reply with a ICMP echo request if a ICMP request is sent
11:23.52soulchildHi all,.. i have many many tar files, how do I extract all of them with the tar command, *.tar.gz does not work, also a pipe didn't work
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11:24.03remoteCTRLkantor: never heard of such incidents
11:24.47FordCortinaif you submit a bug, but you accidentally send it with an invalid email address, will it be rejected?
11:24.53kantorI just want to completely take out that possibility
11:25.49__ryan__why wouldn't tar xvf *.gz work
11:25.51__ryan__weird
11:26.39soulchildHow do I extract many tar.gz files  with the tar command?  Adding *.tar.gz does not work, also a  pipe didn't work,  please it's urgent
11:27.02remoteCTRL!patience
11:27.02dpkgi heard patience is The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
11:27.24soulchildremoteCTRL: i repeated because i think it's a simple question
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11:27.36__ryan__haha not simple enough ;)
11:27.55jonaskoelkerhey all.  I have a router (4p switch, wifi, wan port) and I forgot the IP address of it.  How can I rediscover it?
11:27.58aleksanterisoulchild, for tar in $(ls *.tar.gz); do tar -xvf $tar; done
11:27.59FordCortinaremoteCTRL:
11:28.08FordCortinaput them all in another dir
11:28.09themillsoulchild: you can't with a simple invocation of tar that I know of. You'll need some loop construct.
11:28.14remoteCTRLya i would also not know another way then to tar xzvf *.gz
11:28.25FordCortinafind newdir/ -exec tar xvf {} ;\
11:28.32__ryan__jonaskoelker,  it's not one of the standard ip's ?
11:28.33soulchildaleksanteri: thanks that works
11:28.48FordCortinai meant soulchild
11:28.51themillaleksanteri: $(ls  ...) is fail. for tar in *.tar.gz .... will handle filenames with spaces and won't choke on multicolumn output.
11:28.55jonaskoelker__ryan__: not after I changed it, no :)
11:28.58jonaskoelkerwhich I did
11:29.05aleksanterithemill, oh yeah, forgot
11:29.06__ryan__are you connected to it now?
11:29.25jonaskoelker__ryan__: I'm using the switch part of it
11:32.12__ryan__jonaskoelker, what about port scanning local ip ranges for port 80?
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11:32.53Elligjonaskoelker: run wireshark and restart the router? may see something
11:33.20__ryan__or a mass local ping even, nmap would find it fairly quickly
11:33.22jonaskoelkernmap finds one host with 80 open, says 501 not impl on get /...
11:33.28Elligor arpscan
11:33.45__ryan__and that's not it?
11:33.51jonaskoelkerit also shows three addreses of dlink nics (it's a dlink router), all filtered
11:34.07jonaskoelker__ryan__: I'd suspect it doesn't return 501 on get / -- the web iface has been known to work
11:34.18Ellighave you been given this router?
11:34.24__ryan__jonaskoelker,  are your settings that important that you can't just hit the reset?
11:34.26jonaskoelkerEllig: borrowed, yeah, kinda
11:34.29Elligtry the "reset" button
11:34.38Elligthere may be some access control set
11:34.40jonaskoelkerreset = power cycle?  That's fine
11:34.47__ryan__there's a button on the back probably
11:34.52__ryan__little pin sized reset button
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11:34.55Elligyoul probably need a pin to press it
11:35.46jonaskoelkerah yeah
11:35.47jonaskoelkerI see
11:35.53__ryan__hold it for 10 seconds or so
11:35.55jonaskoelkerwell, its mac addr is on the back of it :)
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11:36.16jonaskoelkercan I ask it "ip of 00:13:..."?
11:36.27Elligyes, arp
11:36.45jonaskoelkerEllig: what's the command?
11:36.54Elligjust sudo arp
11:37.02Elligwill arp your subnet
11:37.24jonaskoelkerEllig: shows me a list, the mac address is not in there
11:37.35jonaskoelkerbut it does show me .8, which had http open
11:37.40__ryan__he's just using it as a switch not a router Ellig might not show
11:37.41Elligcould that be it?
11:37.50rdzhi all. what happens, if i use i non-empty mountpoint? for instance /var/log/ ?
11:37.56jonaskoelkerI'm thinking it could
11:37.57__ryan__jonaskoelker, put the ip in a browser and see if it works?
11:38.06jonaskoelkerdone that, white page
11:38.14jonaskoelkerbrb (hopefully), gonna poke that reset button
11:38.28__ryan__password will be admin/blank after reset
11:38.32__ryan__if it's dlink
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11:39.20__ryan__my friends dlink router had the default ip 192.168.0.1, threw me off i'm used to 1.1/2.1
11:39.45Elligyeah
11:40.12__ryan__kept wondering why it wasn't working then i looked on the back of the router and it said 0.1 i was pissed lol
11:40.27Elligheh
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11:44.29jonaskoelkercan't I make an arp request on a specific mac address?
11:45.14NoxInyes with arping
11:45.46inzionsomeone's got a clue on how to set a source ip for a snmpwalk?
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11:46.38inziongot an interface eth 0 with 2 different ip's and want to control from which the request is sent..
11:46.52simmerzis there somewhere that lists the meanings of the status symbols for aptitude?
11:46.56DigitalOktayWow what a great match Turkey 3 : 2 Czech
11:46.57DigitalOktayhi
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11:49.49rendartomorrow will play italy vs french
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11:50.05Slingand netherlands vs romenia :)
11:50.24Slingwhich we will win again of course
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11:51.51jonaskoelkerinzion: you could use SNAT in iptables...
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11:52.31inzionjonaskoelker, mhm thought about that, but isn't there a simple(r) solution?
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11:55.45Ace2016Any way to detect bad ram?
11:55.54petemcmemtest
11:55.58rdzAce2016, running a memtest?
11:56.01Ace2016Is there a specific error you would get as a result of running a system with bad ram?
11:56.09Ace2016i get random crashes
11:56.12jonaskoelkerdunno
11:56.21Ace2016ok i'll do a memtest overnight
11:56.50Ace2016now its completely stable, but a few seconds ago it crashed 3 times within 10 minutes
11:56.53MitsuoDeshoDeshoi've messed up my sources.list, where can i get a fresh copy?
11:57.08MitsuoDeshoDeshoor a copy for testing
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11:57.37defryskMitsuoDeshoDesho, http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/my-sourceslist-for-debian-lennysid/
11:58.01MitsuoDeshoDeshodefrysk: thanks
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12:00.49Ace2016my theme looks ugly on a crt as supposed to the laptop lcd
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12:02.51__ryan__anyone with an hp laptop get their quicklaunch buttons working?
12:03.46themill__ryan__: /msg dpkg special keys
12:04.37__ryan__thanks
12:04.55themillno worries
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12:06.09__ryan__lol xev doesn't like the volume slider keys i have
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12:06.45marsje_does anyone here know how to use an encypted usb stick without root access (including sudo)?
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12:11.09__ryan__themill, keytouch worked mint, incase anyone else asks :P
12:11.30themill__ryan__: keytouch is pretty good.
12:12.14__ryan__i didn't even have to configure it, just chose a similar laptop
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12:13.14apt_getpessoal, o que significa o parametro P no tcpdump?  'IP 192.168.5.23.2102 > 192.168.5.1.25: P 16:52(36) ack 156 win 65380'
12:14.41amphi!br
12:14.42dpkgEste canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:15.43pluesch0ri'm trying hard to build http://debian.sil.at/backports.org//pool/main/i/iscsitarget/iscsitarget-source_0.4.15+svn145-1~bpo40+1_all.deb using module-assistant, but it constantly fails. i've got the kernel headers and everything installed, but it won't work. i'm getting /usr/src/modules/iscsitarget/kernel/iscsi.h:236: error: field ‘rx_hash’ has incomplete type errors ..
12:15.45remoteCTRLhow do i install a xserver-xorg version with a lower version number? i somehow dont find that in the reopsitories?
12:15.51pluesch0ranybody able to tell me what's going on?
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12:17.05pluesch0rhttp://www.nabble.com/Debian-iSCSI-target---Vista-XP-initiators---no-devices-td15955295.html is the error i'm hitting.
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12:19.48Alfarinis there any disadvantages in turning off the --MARK-- message for syslogd?
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12:21.25jonaskoelker__ryan__: got it now, thanks for the time; poking the reset button hard enough... :)
12:22.16Ger008how to install kismet
12:22.16Ger008help please
12:22.21remoteCTRLok lets put the question in other words: when i try to install ati drivers (fglrx) i get an unmet dependencies error, needs 1:7.0.0 instead of 1:7.1.0 xserver-xorg, how do i fix that?
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12:22.34__ryan__np
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12:23.15drakoI need a way to watch what is doing someone else on a terminal
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12:23.35remoteCTRLdrako: use the screen command
12:24.03drakoremoteCTRL, someone is going to log
12:24.18remoteCTRLhm?
12:24.19drakoi need to see what  he is doing
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12:24.46remoteCTRLdrako: i dont believe we wanna give instructions here how to spy on someone;)
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12:25.59edistar_my login always fails the first time, it then fails on the username the second time and the third time it works.. anyone know whats wrong?
12:26.36inzionjonaskoelker, FYI implemented it now with SNAT, couldn't find anything else.. thanks again..
12:26.49defryskedistar_, maybe u need new batteries in your keyboard ?
12:26.50jonaskoelkerinzion: yw :)
12:27.17edistar_defrysk: it's a laptop, and it wouldn't go so wrong consistently.. every time the same thing
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12:27.59Ger008anyone help me to install kismet wireless
12:28.25jonaskoelkerGer008: aptitude install kismet?
12:28.48liablemeh, x keeps locking up on me
12:28.52Ger008i was install sorry i want to configure
12:29.01jonaskoelkerdunno, soz
12:29.27jonaskoelkerliable: at any particular time (after login, after running a program, after using 3d accel)?
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12:30.34rdzhi all. i have two similar drives installed on my server, whereas one is used as the backup disk for the other. the backupds are only performed one a day and therefore i thought, it wouldn't make sense to leave the backup drive mounted and running all the time. however, when i 'hdparm -Y /dev/hdb/' it, the system seems to be not able anymore to read anything from the first disk /dev/hda, where / is mounted. i get 'hda: lost interrupt' errors every minutes. why is
12:30.34rdzswitching of /dev/hdb affecting /dev/hda?
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12:31.11usenetexcuse me, whats the command to find out current disk space?
12:31.13Ger008i cant start kismet
12:31.22jonaskoelkerusenet: df -h
12:31.23edistar_usenet: df -h
12:31.24Ger008usenet df
12:31.31Ger008df -h
12:31.32edistar_heh
12:31.51jonaskoelkerman -P cat sh > #debian
12:31.52jonaskoelker;)
12:32.03jonaskoelkeroh well, not sh... but... yeah :)
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12:32.31pluesch0rhow do i change the debian/rules file inside of a deb file?
12:32.38pluesch0rand how do i rebuild the deb file afterwards?
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12:34.04cydork!debian/rules
12:34.04dpkgmethinks debian/rules is the makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source.  Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package.  For more info, ask me about "source".
12:34.26usenetthank you kindly
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12:35.31pluesch0r!debian/source
12:36.18cydorkpluesch0r, /msg dpkg source
12:36.18pluesch0rscratches his head
12:36.24pluesch0rk, thanks.
12:36.48cydorkpluesch0r, in short you have to download the source package, apt-get can do that.
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12:37.11pluesch0rif i've got the proper sources.list entries, yes. thanks. :)
12:37.18abrotmandeb-src lines
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12:41.18themilldpkg: debian/rules =~ s#"source".#<source>. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" added to the version number or ask me about <hold>.#
12:41.18dpkgthemill: OK
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12:43.10samiAnyone any good at watchdog? I'v got a debian server with syslog-ng running and want to watch it. If it stops watchdog should restart the service?
12:43.30stewthemill: ~yourname or +yourname ?
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12:44.16themillstew: erm... good point. ~ < everything so + would be better.....
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12:44.48themillstew: well actually... if you're doing a backport, then ~ is better.
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12:44.58stewright
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12:45.08themillstew: but if you're just doing a recompile with differen options, then + ... hmmm
12:45.23themillstew: so what should we change it to....
12:45.44stewwe could leave it non-specific
12:45.49randallhow do i fix my time when i start up debian it says it can not set time when i log in its 4 hours behind
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12:46.09pluesch0rrandall: tzconfig
12:46.11pluesch0rntpdate
12:46.26randallwhere do i type that at
12:46.28randallin a terminal ?
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12:46.52randalljust type tzconfig
12:46.56randallor is there something else
12:47.13abrotman!set the time
12:47.14dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
12:47.27themilldpkg: debian/rules =~ s/"~yourname"/"~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile)/
12:47.27dpkgOK, themill
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12:47.46stewlooks good to me
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12:49.11themillstew: :) Good catch.
12:49.32samiAnyone any good at watchdog? I'v got a debian server with syslog-ng running and want to watch it. If it stops watchdog should restart the service and not the whole server.
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12:55.59dr-evildoes anyone knows how to get a log of a postfix mail sending command?
12:56.09dr-evilwe have a script
12:56.16dr-evilit sends a lot of mail
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12:56.39dr-eviland we need to get log about every sent
12:56.58stewdr-evil: /var/log/mail.log?
12:57.10macouteit doesnt tell you the command
12:57.13dr-evilcurrently it shows only "Delivery report will be in user mailbox"
12:57.22macouteif i understood the question correctly
12:57.43macoutedr-evil: is the report really there?
12:57.51dr-evilmacoute: yep
12:57.52macouteand is that the report you need?
12:57.58dr-evilno
12:57.59dr-evil=)
12:58.19macouteok :) so you need the command used, correct?
12:58.27dr-evili mean log = smtp reply while send
12:58.53macouteby increasing smtp-servers log-level?
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12:58.58benediktHi! I have a computer on a public IP (and it also has a private ip). How can i forward a port 4000 from the public ip to port 3389 on a computer on the same private ip net?
12:59.13dr-evilwe have script, it uses mutt to generate messages, and postfix as MTA with a configured smarthost
12:59.35stewdr-evil: how is /var/log/mail.log not sufficient?
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13:00.00dr-eviland we wanna to get a cup of logs describing does mail goes into smtp about each message separately
13:00.02macouteah, so that you dont have the smtpd:s logs directly?
13:00.12macoutesmtp is the isp's mailserver?
13:00.18dr-evilours
13:00.35macoute"with a configured smarthost"?
13:00.41dr-evilyep
13:00.47macoute,who is that smarthost?
13:00.54dr-evilwe too
13:01.01macouteand you need that log basically?
13:01.10dr-evildamn.
13:01.17dr-evilmy english too poor
13:02.04stew!russian
13:02.04dpkgrumour has it, russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
13:02.04abrotmandr-evil: have your script log it directly
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13:02.04dr-evilthere are 2 servers: 1 - mailserver, aka smarthost )
13:02.08dr-evil2. messages generator
13:02.13NoxIndr-evil: you need to have the log on the client side telling if the mail is correctly sent to the smarthost ?
13:02.27dr-evilyes
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13:02.30NoxInyou can't
13:02.39dr-evilreally?
13:02.54macoutebut if you can get to smarthosts log then you can see it from there, cant you?
13:03.02NoxInpostfix way of handling mail is ... getting mail, disconnecting from client, then passe the mail to another process
13:03.15dr-evilhmmmm
13:03.18NoxInso the smtpd process don't have knowledge of what happen after
13:03.22stewand logging to syslog...
13:03.25macouteso why cant send the lgos from smarthost to client yourself?
13:03.27macoutelogs
13:03.29dr-evilNoxIn: and exim4 uses other way?
13:03.29pluesch0rhm. i just don't get it.
13:03.39pluesch0rmy debuild karma is nonexisting. :(
13:03.50NoxInI don't know how exim works
13:03.55dr-evilheh
13:04.08dr-evilwe have something like this
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13:04.20dr-evilmail mail@address < textfile
13:04.32sladihi!
13:04.40stewdr-evil: if for reason you can't use /var/log/mail.log on the smarthost. you could setup a smarthost on the maching generating mail and have mutt send to localhost, and use /var/log/mail.log on the host generating the mail
13:04.46dr-evilon stdout we get something like "Delivery report will be in user mailbox"
13:05.03hoxuis there some special trick with kde & root-tail to make it properly draw on top of the wallpaper?
13:05.29ampex2anyone know of a good system for centrally logging syslog output from multiple machines and allowing login to a web interface to monitor it?
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13:05.54amphihoxu: you probably can't - I believe kde's desktop is a window on top of the root window
13:06.23grimso a few days ago, one of my debian boxes rebooted (power outage) and now /dev's permissions are all fubar'd.  For example, to ssh out of that box, i need to chmod 666 /dev/null /dev/*random /dev/tty.  Anyone have any suggestions?
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13:06.42hoxuamphi, do you have any alternative suggestions?
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13:07.00NoxIndr-evil: at the end of the smpt negociation postfix says something like "250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 33C61D8225"
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13:07.10amphihoxu: I don't use kde, so no
13:07.20NoxInyou can then have another script grep the "33C61D8225" in /var/log/mail.info
13:07.26dr-evilNoxIn: he doesn't
13:08.09NoxInwell ... mine do it, but it's on the SMTP negociation, I don't know is the mail client transmit the information
13:08.23NoxIns/is/if/
13:08.31sladidoes someone know a LAN howto please?
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13:08.51NyleGood morning
13:08.52macoutesladi: what are you trying to accomplish?
13:09.05macoute"a LAN howto" is kinda broad
13:09.22DGnomesladi: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/
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13:09.48abrotmansladi: tldp.org .. lots of stuff .. or ask #networking
13:10.04ampex2dr-evil: why not just modify your script to write the command used to a file?
13:10.11sladimacoute: I have a pxe booting client which suddenly can't connect to the internets anymore because I messed up I guess. I'm not sure about domain names and I thought I wouldn't need them
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13:11.03ampex2sladi: does the pxe client boot properly?
13:11.13Nyleamphi, #cf...
13:11.17sladithank you very much abrotman and DGnome!
13:12.09sladiampex2: yes, it also connected to internet but I guess since I deleted all options about domainname (except for domainnameserver) it ceased to work
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13:17.23Bushmillssladi, client doesn't need a domain name to connect to internet
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13:18.00thykowas this fixed? http://www.metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/
13:18.02Bushmillsmore likely reasons are, that it can't use a dns, or the gateway doesn't nat its request, or wrong routing
13:18.42thykoanyone?
13:18.43Dewithyko: yes
13:18.46Dewithyko: of course
13:18.46abrotmanthyko: security.debian.org
13:18.50abrotmanthyko: /topic
13:19.03sladiBushmills: thanks!  I forgot to say that ifup says faild to bring up eth0 on the client (unknown hostname). I added resolv.conf and the ifup said unable to resolve hostname
13:19.04Dewithyko: but you need to take into consideration that it was generating bad keys
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13:21.05Bushmillssladi: if ifup needs to resolve a name, it won't resolve it from dns given in resolv.conf (because that needs interface up)
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13:22.43sladiBushmills: I see. ^^ Well I have a router which connects the PCs an to the internet as well. I guess I need the server to be the DNS in order for the LAN to work?
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13:23.37Bushmillssladi: you an usually use your router as dns, as most  run a dns proxy
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13:23.48ampex2sladi: is DHCP giving out a DNS server?
13:24.01thykoDewi abrotman : thanks guys
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13:25.13sladiThe router is an adsl modem too. IIRC I couldn't get the pxe to work when using the router as dns in dhcp.conf (on the server). dhcp.conf says the server ip is the dns, yes.
13:26.17Bushmillswonders what hostname ifup wants to resolve.
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13:28.21sladiI have no idea ^^
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13:28.50Bushmillsi suppose it is a hostname you specified in your /etc/network/interfaces
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13:29.17ampex2isn't there a configuration for dhclient that tells it to send a hostname?
13:29.32Bushmillsadding that one to /etc/hosts should do, if you don't want to specify its ip address instead in interfaces
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13:31.25sladiampex2: yes it have option host-name in dhcp.conf.
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13:31.42sladiBushmills: I'll try that, thanks!
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13:31.47Trevelyan`hi. how do i get apt out of this? http://paste.debian.net/6610/, seems like a badly written post remove script
13:32.01Trevelyan`can i overide the post remove return code
13:32.14Trevelyan`hmm i could put exit 0 into the rc script
13:32.24hoxuTrevelyan`, you can hack the script as long as you can do the actions by hand
13:32.58Trevelyan`the service is not running and never was
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13:33.34Trevelyan`the rc script is returning error because there is nothing to stop, and the post remove script is mis interpreting this
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13:34.18abrotmanTrevelyan`: start the daemon .. then try to remove it again
13:34.35pelegthrough gnome I can see other computers in the net, under smb:// ... how can I reach these computers from the terminal?
13:34.38hoxuTrevelyan`, if that does not help, comment out the stopping line or something... and you might want to submit a bug report
13:34.44abrotmanpeleg: smbclient
13:34.45Trevelyan`it wont start, the kernel modules are missing
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13:34.52liablesureley a post remove shouldnt rely on a daemon running
13:34.55pelegabrotman: thanks!
13:35.00liablethat just seems wrong
13:35.15hoxuliable, also seems to be a practice...
13:35.26Trevelyan`i'll just make the rc script exit 0, there is nothing it needs to do anyway.
13:35.41Trevelyan`the package is clearly broken
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13:36.33Trevelyan`worked a treat. thanks all.
13:36.37liablehoxu: except those that dont start daemons by default i guess
13:37.14abrotmanliable: i think there's a flag to let it allow to fail .. can't recall
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13:37.40sladiBushmills: I haven't specified a hostname in /etc/network/interfaces. I use static setup there.
13:38.06themillliable: istr it's normally considered to be a bug and such things are slowly being fixed as and when reported
13:38.54liableTrevelyan`: file a bug on said package
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13:43.30orveldvI'm having this problem, my pc has 2 soundcards and "asoundconf list" shows that they are configured at boot in a random order;
13:43.34orveldvI run a script that uses these cards and I need that the default card to be always the same; any ideas? I tried "asoundconf set-default-card" but it seems it's not what I need
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13:46.05Debzhello when i host ipv6.google.com in shell give me ipv6.l.google.com       A       208.69.34.132
13:46.05Debz<PROTECTED>
13:46.25Debzand i have v6 enabled what package i have need for working?
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13:48.04grimhow do i get back to the package maintainers config files?
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13:48.28grimie, my udev config is fubar'd which is causing my permission issues, so i need to revert the changes
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13:49.15wols_!confmiss
13:49.15dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
13:49.33wols_so delete or better: rename them and do this
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13:50.25grimwell they're screwed and i'm getting default behavior out of udev, so deleting is fine ;)
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13:50.56daniel-sanhi, what's name of installation  partition program?
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13:51.44battlemidgetfdisk?
13:52.11daniel-sanok, right cfdisk
13:52.33wols_daniel-san: partman
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13:54.19daniel-sanok, thanks :) see you!
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13:57.55grimwols_: thanks, that got the config files back, but that doesn't appear to be the issue either... guess I'm just going to reinstall, less hassle than trying to figure this out
13:58.17wols_grim: what IS the problem?
13:58.33jairhow do I know if my system is using hyper-treading in debian etch?
13:58.39grimwols_: udev is setting bad permissions
13:58.42jairbesides checking the bios
13:58.47wols_jair: cat /proc/cpuinfo   how many cpus?
13:58.59grimwols_: for example, null, random, urandom, and tty are 660 not 666
13:59.02jairwols_: it shows 4
13:59.05wols_grim: so you need to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/ somewhere. z25 perhaps
13:59.08jairwols_: 0,1,2,3
13:59.15wols_jair: for what CPU?
13:59.24grimwols_: the permissions.conf in /etc/udev says to set null to 0666
13:59.27jairbut how do I know if is dual core or HT?
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13:59.35wols_jair: please answer me
13:59.47jairIntel R xeon CPU 3.60GHZ
13:59.49wols_cpuinfo tells you the CPU type
13:59.54jairI see
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14:00.04wols_jair: that is no the cpu type. it has a name/number
14:00.05jairthen I research and can see if it is dual core or not
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14:00.26abrotmanjair: HT is useless ..
14:00.26wols_model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+
14:00.27jairwols_: my apologies let me check
14:00.29wols_like this
14:00.35jairok
14:00.49wols_also family, model and stepping
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14:01.15wols_those designate the cpu exactly. with it you can check the web (wikipedia or intel.com) to see what features your CPU has exactly
14:01.31wols_abrotman: that's beside the point :)
14:01.33jairwols_: right
14:01.59jairwols_: stepping 1 and model => 4
14:02.08wols_jair: you either have a quadcore or a dualcore with HT
14:02.18jairso: stepping = 1
14:02.26jairmodel = 4
14:02.30wols_jair: and family? 0F probably?
14:02.46jaircpu family = 15
14:03.23jairmodel name = Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz
14:03.38jairI will check now in wikipedia the features of this processor
14:03.54OpenTokixa HT-cpu report as cpu cores 1, and a multi core reports the correct amount
14:04.27jaircpu cores = 1
14:04.46jairso then this is a two processors with HT
14:04.52jairguessing
14:05.00maligornetburst
14:05.00jairI am still checking on the wikipedia
14:05.42maligorprobably nacona or irwindale
14:05.53wols_yes, probably a latter day P4 core
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14:06.21maligorI guess nacona's and irwindales are distinguisable from the l2 cache size
14:06.37maligorirwindale having 2MB
14:07.29wols_nocona is 2004. there were no dualcores back then
14:07.31ampex2jair: http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ParentRadio=All&ProcFam=528&SearchKey=
14:07.37ampex2it's not dual core
14:07.48jairampex2: :)
14:08.01ampex2it's 90nm p4 tech
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14:08.17ampex2does it tell you how much cache? 1MB or 2MB?
14:08.26wols_also the prescott core didn't scale to 3.6 (they tried and it failed)
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14:10.16jairampex2: I am checking on the "proc/cpuinfo" one sec
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14:10.36cr3how can I specify an alternate locale directory, preferable using environment variables, to test my own .mo files?
14:10.54jairampex2: cache size is 1024 = 1M
14:10.58jairMB'
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14:11.40jairampex2: so if i will discribe this processor I will say => Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz, with Hyper-Threading
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14:11.51ampex2jair: that sounds accurate
14:12.03ampex2jair: you must have two of them?
14:12.09wols_jair: doesn't explain the 4 cores. is this a SMP board? 2 CPUs?
14:12.22jairampex2: that is what I was about to tell you, that is why I see four :)
14:12.35jairwols_: it is a two cpus
14:12.47jairI have seen the mobo
14:12.57wols_ah
14:13.00jairit is one of those xseries 336 from IBM
14:13.04jairalright
14:13.08jairThank you so much guys
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14:14.29thykothis is what nmap thinks of debian "TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=0 (Trivial joke)"
14:14.41thykothat cant be good
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14:15.33wols_thyko: huh?
14:16.24SlayerXPhands thyko a box of FAIL
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14:17.13thykotoo bad
14:17.30thykonow the TCP sequence is not random either
14:17.35thyko:(
14:17.43brubelsabsmay I ask, why glibc-doc contains the docs for libc6 (is the naming difference historicaly founded?)
14:18.09maligorlibc5 was the previous version :P
14:19.19brubelsabsshouldn't the package be named libc6-doc ?
14:19.21wols_brubelsabs: more lor less
14:19.43wols_libc6 is actually officially glibc 2.0...
14:19.49wols_just its filename is libc.so.6
14:19.55thykoafter a kernel upgrade, "TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=197 (Good luck!)" thats better!
14:20.13maligoryeah, naming it libc.so.2 would've been a terminally bad idea
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14:20.50brubelsabsOT/dont_hurt_me/BTW: may I ask if an "aptitude search glibc" also shows an empty result-line like under Ubuntu?
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14:21.05doklopcan i use iptables to drop all outgoing mail?
14:21.13wols_brubelsabs: probably. but ask #ubuntu
14:21.19wols_doklop: yes
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14:21.36doklopwols_ could you tell me how? :)
14:22.03wols_by dropping all connections to port 25 and 465 outbound
14:22.24doklopso 25 inbound and 465 outbound?
14:22.26wols_25 and 465 tcp that is
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14:22.35wols_no. both outbound
14:22.48doklopok
14:22.54wols_don't allow any program from your host to connect to these two ports
14:23.01wols_maybe others (check /etc/services)
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14:23.24thykodoklop: yes
14:23.27wols_if the recipient uses anotehr, non standard port he could still send mail but that's not public
14:23.32brubelsabswols_: oki, but the Ubuntu channel isn't really readable :), there are to many people discussing OT ;) (self irony)
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14:23.35grimwols_: i got all the config files back, but not the symlinks, dpkg-reconfig didn't bring those back either, do i want to use dpkg-preconfigure?
14:23.45doklopwell the problem is qmail is sending spam, but i dont really use qmail but i cand delete it aswell (using plesk). So solving that is by droppen all mail packages....
14:23.49Misterjoshey, i have a question about nvidia twinview in debian: when i start urban terror in full screen, it uses always the 2 screens so the center of the game is on the separation between the two screens, not very convenient, how can i use fullscreen in one of the 2 screens?
14:23.55wols_brubelsabs: I doN't care about ubuntu. and what you currently do is OT here too
14:24.07wols_doklop: why is it sending spam?
14:24.23brubelsabswols_ that is what I meant by SELF_IRONY, saying bye and thanks for the fish
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14:24.50doklopwols_ dont know finding out....
14:25.01zizzfizzixhow to check if swap is mounted? mount doesn't show it
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14:25.19wols_doklop: do it. restricing sends via iptables is the totally wrong approach for this. you have an exploit on your system. fix that first
14:25.30wols_zizzfizzix: free
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14:26.36doklopwols_ can i see in the log wher qmail is gettings its commands by?
14:26.47wols_!qmail
14:26.47dpkgi guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida
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14:27.10wols_doklop: that sums about up all the qmail help in here. ask #qmail or those plesk morons
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14:27.27doklopwols_ :) ok...
14:27.48jahshuayay finally got my desktop sorted.
14:28.49Bushmillsdoklop: exim or postfix may be better choices for an smtp server
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14:29.14brubelsabswhy doesn't aptitude show a package listed by aptitude search? http://pastebin.com/m3c46c4b9 using etch.
14:29.18zizzfizzixwols_ if "free" shows unused swap space probably system should use it if it's needed yes? cause i'm not sure this is right
14:29.31grimso um, anyone know how to restore symlinks from a package without purging and reinstalling the package?
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14:29.57zizzfizzixi thought that swap is not mounted cause my computer behaved weird
14:31.00themillbrubelsabs: because the package name is glibc-2.3.6-2 not glibc-2.3.6. (Not that it exists anyway.)
14:31.08themilldpkg: wayttd brubelsabs
14:31.08dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, brubelsabs?
14:31.39brubelsabsdpkg: you are bot aren't you?
14:31.39dpkgI resemble that remark!
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14:32.53brubelsabsdpkg: thanks, my problem solved by: themill.
14:32.53dpkgbitte, brubelsabs
14:33.05orveldvanother question, I've seen often this behavior on debian when there are 2 NIC's - one configured via DHCP and the other with a static IP; if the statically configured interface is configured before the dynamic one, there will be no traffic trough the dynamic one
14:33.27orveldvseems like a routing problem, but I don't know how to handle it
14:33.39petemcorveldv: you can only have one gateway, unless you configure your machine correctly
14:34.12petemc!split access
14:34.13dpkg[split access] when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
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14:35.04orveldvpetemc: thank you, I'm reading
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14:37.56tylereAnyone care to recommend an easy-to-setup mail server? Just want to do basic send/receive type stuff on a few domains. Don't want to spend much time configuring, easy user administration (pref. not tied to actual system users) a big plus
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14:38.19Bushmillstylere: postfix
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14:38.55pluesch0rtylere: postfix.
14:38.59Bushmillstylere: "easy admin" means, editing a text file, right?
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14:39.14zizzfizzixwhat is the version of KDE from this repos (deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib
14:39.14zizzfizzixdeb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib)?
14:39.49Jemtzizzfizzix: Try 'apt-get cache show <package>'. That will tell you the version
14:39.59Jemtsorry, wrong
14:40.00zizzfizzixthanks
14:40.04Jemtapt-cache show <package>
14:40.06JemtLike that :)
14:40.09zizzfizzix:)
14:40.10elyNfuck.
14:40.16elyNFUCK.
14:40.21JemtelyN: Stop it!
14:40.34NyleJemt, use /ignore
14:40.47Nylenow my etch server won't power on
14:40.48hoxu/ignore is not a solution, it's a workaround
14:40.55Nyleoh boy
14:41.01Nyleyesterday that other machine fried copletely
14:41.06Nylenow my etch server wont' even power on
14:41.14Nylehas pretty good surge protectors
14:41.35ggeeckoa port switch is essentially the same thing as adding more nics?
14:41.35themillzizzfizzix: /msg dpkg kde version
14:41.48themillJemt: that doesn't work
14:41.53NoxInDon't letting any power to passthrough is a pretty good surge protection
14:42.01Bushmillsggeecko: not quite.
14:42.03NyleJemt, if you have problems with swearing, please ask the debian ops to create and enforce  no-swearing policies
14:42.08abrotmanzizzfizzix: ask #debian-kde
14:42.35NyleNoxIn, man I am afraid of plugging in my other machines
14:42.46NyleI amnot sure if the electrical work in this place is bad or what
14:42.53ggeeckoBushmills: what do I need, I would lke to expand my network and I only have a slot for an extra nic
14:42.53abrotmanNyle: go to #debian-offtopic
14:43.00Nylemy bad.
14:43.10abrotmanNyle: you can have whatever discussions you want in there
14:43.13Bushmillsggeecko: a switch :)
14:43.19Nyleabrotman, I'm aware of that.
14:43.19amphiNyle: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo315.html
14:43.22Jemtthemill: The package version is clearly stated in my installation as far as I remember
14:43.37Nyleamphi, msg
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14:45.19Bushmillsggeecko: but that's not #debian, better ask #network or #ubuntu
14:45.29ggeeckoBushmills: k
14:45.31themillJemt: try it then and see what version number you see for kde.  And btw apt-cache policy <packagename> is even easier to read for the version numbers.
14:45.43bobfThe slrn docs tell me I should not need to configure my username/hostname manually (in the rc file, so it'll display my regular email address, not my local one) on a "properly configured Unix system". Where would I configure this?
14:45.55Jemtthemill: Okay, thanks for the advise
14:46.50themillJemt: Unfortunately, a lot of the metapackages don't show the version numbers sensibly. e.g. the KDE package is version 5:47 in etch.
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14:47.15abrotmanthemill: that makes perfect sense!
14:47.57themillabrotman: not to $user who wants to know what version of kde is in a release it doesn't. It only makes sense to the people packaging KDE.
14:48.03abrotmani was kidding
14:48.19themill:)
14:48.23bobfI was hoping it'd be an option for moduser, but I guess it's handled elsewhere.
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14:53.44HardDisk_WPhi all
14:53.54HardDisk_WPi need some _REAL_ basic commandline music player
14:54.04chopsHardDisk_WP: mpg123
14:54.06HardDisk_WPit just needs to decode MP3 and support S-ALSA library
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15:03.00sladiDo I inderstand correctly that I don't need a domain and domainname for my lan? /etc/hosts is enough, no?
15:03.12liablewhat do you mean? i am alking about one that caches properly the udebs and the d-i doesnt discard it
15:03.13Bushmillssladi: right
15:03.19liableechan
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15:03.37sladiBushmills: Thank you! :)
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15:04.25liablesomething that doesnt use 30G?
15:04.38Bushmillssladi: with many hosts you may want to have a dns on your lan
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15:05.24sladiBushmills: I see, I'm reading the Linux Administrators Guide and wanted t make sure I understand it. :)
15:05.25Bushmills"many" say above ... hmm ... 5 or so
15:06.31sladiwell I currently have a server and a client. ^^
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15:06.47Bushmillsor nis, which is considered obsolete now
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15:07.06sladiyes it was mentioned in the book.
15:07.18justinor you could just use mdns
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15:07.52Bushmillssome small dns caching proxies also serve /etc/hosts, which may be exactly what you might want on a small net
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15:09.06sladiI read about the serving hosts thing and saw zeroconf too. But I really need one, maybe two clients here. :)
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15:09.40sladiI want to use the superior server GPU on a client.
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15:09.58Bushmillseh?
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15:10.39sladiYeah I have a gaming PC but I'd like to use it in the living room too. I want to try xf4vnc.
15:10.49justinsladi: uhh, that isn't going to work
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15:11.41sladijustin: I hope I understand correctly that xf4vnc or virtualgl would allow that.
15:11.54Bushmillssladi: you better think of a hardware KVM switch then
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15:12.23justinsladi: if you say so :)
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15:13.43sladiBushmills: I didn't know such things exist. The IP variant would do what I want, yes. :)
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15:14.48Bushmillssladi: hardware acceleratino of a video card is limited to the monitors connected to it.
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15:15.27Bushmillsamd that's mainly what defines a gaming pc
15:15.34sladiBushmills: as far as I understand, virtualgl and xfv4nc do what an ip-KVM would do, no?
15:16.06sladiI'm not interested in getting windows to work over ip, just linux and opengl.
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15:16.14Bushmillsto some extent yes. but not for hardware rendered GPU output.
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15:17.34Bushmillssladi: consider that the calculation the GPU does happens between its slot on the main board and the video connector
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15:17.59sladiBushmills: I think it just captures the screen and sends it over lan. 100mb Lan is enough for 1280x1024 at 20fps IIRC.
15:18.57justindpkg: 1280*1024*16*20/8/1024/1024
15:18.57dpkg50
15:19.00sladithat's what I understand. It doesn't have to send opengl commands over ip, just the picture.
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15:19.07justinsladi: maybe 2fps
15:19.27justinsending opengl commands over the wire works, sending pictures, would not
15:19.29Bushmillssladi: well.. try it. tell me the results
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15:19.44chopsBushmills: I believe you can actually use GLX remotely (just not DRI, obviously)
15:19.58sladi^^ I hope it works, it sends a compressed image like tightvnc does.
15:20.03justini've played quake3 over ssh before on a 10M lan, it was sort of playable
15:20.04chopsBushmills: Many games may simply fail without DRI, but basic OpenGL apps (e.g. glxgears) I would expect to work
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15:20.07justinsladi: it won't
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15:21.05sladiVirtualgl homepage says it's designed to use graphics-supercomputers on clients.
15:21.14Nylejustin, diablo2 over rdp is also semi playable
15:21.18magyar_hi, is it possible to signal "gzip -dv" to overwrite the file ?
15:21.24sladixf4vnc uses chromium
15:22.50magyar_<PROTECTED>
15:22.58magyar_gzip -dvf
15:23.17Bushmillschops: as video ram can be read from computer, rendered picture can too - though that transport over the net will have nothing to do with glx anymore
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15:24.00Bushmillswill be interesting to hear of sladi's results
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15:24.10sladiBushmills: apps are running on server too, the client has just a viewer.
15:24.18sladi:)
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15:24.44hagnahow can I get a list of most recently installed pacakges?  dpkg -l shows me installed ones but no timestamp
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15:25.04sladihagna: /var/log/apt
15:25.04chopsBushmills: Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how it works.  It seems to me that sending OpenGL commands across will be a lot faster than scraping the screen and sending full pictures across, but screen-scraping will degrade a lot more gracefully if used with a game that's designed to run at double-digit FPSes, of course.
15:25.32Bushmillshagna: the are log files in /var/log.  dpkg.log, aptitude has a directory with logs, apt too
15:25.46wols_hagna: /var/log/dpkg.log
15:25.47hagnasladi, Bushmills ok great
15:25.51hagnawols_: thanks
15:25.58sladichops: that seems to be slow actually. but in my case 3d apps will run on the same machine anyway.
15:26.18sladihagna: np
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15:26.46sladi3dcard and 3d app are on the same pc
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15:26.54chopssladi: Why does it seem to you that sending a rendered picture of a triangle across the net would be slower than sending "render triangle at coordinates X/Y/Z"?
15:27.45sladichops: I dunno I read about different approaches on xf4vnc site IIRC. :)
15:27.54chopssladi: I could see latency being a real problem if the app and/or the GLX layer aren't designed to run asynchronously with respect to the GL layer... but modern games are actually pretty asynchronous anyway, because so much runs on the GPU.
15:28.30Bushmillssladi: it appears to me that  3d app and 3d card on different machines would result in a smaller impact of performance
15:29.05chopssladi: In practice I actually wouldn't be surprised if screen-scraping is faster, now that I think about it, but I'd expect it to be because of things being synchronous that actually should be asynchronous rather than because of any fundamental issue
15:29.28Bushmills(assuming the client machine - behind which you sit - has the 3d GPU inside)
15:29.30sladichops: I'm no expert. When looking for ways to do it, this was a possibility. Anyway this doesn't apply here because the apps run on the machine which has the GPU. I just need a remote disply, keyboard, etc. ^^
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15:29.54p3uhi #debian
15:30.07sladiso you're probably right anyway. :)
15:30.12p3ui'm trying to install an etch on a brand new hp server
15:30.39p3unetinst doesn't recognise cdrom and ethernet
15:30.41sladichops: (Bushmills) it sounds plasuible of course.
15:30.44Bushmillsheh .. somebody on-topic here
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15:30.53p3ui tried with a knoppix and deboostrap but knoppix doesn't boot
15:31.03p3ui tried with a dsl it's the same
15:31.10chops!tell p3u about kmuto
15:31.13petemcp3u: you could try the lenny installer, or etch with a newer kernel
15:31.17chopsp3u: That's the first thing I would try
15:31.17p3udoes someone have an idea how to install it ?
15:31.18petemclike kmuto...
15:31.38Bushmillsp3u: brand new servers (i.e. very recent hardware)  and not-too-new stable are not alsways working together well
15:31.41p3uk thank you i gonna search what it is
15:32.29p3uBushmills: yes i understand but i didn't want to buy an old hardware :/
15:32.42Bushmillsreasonable
15:32.44sladicu :)
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15:34.23p3uis it safe to use kmuto backport for a production server ?
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15:35.51liablep3u: except its up to you to check for kernel security, as stable obviously wont have updates for those kernels.
15:36.30p3uliable: of course
15:36.40p3uthank you i'll try this solution
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15:37.02liable!etchnhalf
15:37.02dpkgetchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
15:37.08liablep3u: ^^
15:37.25p3uwas reading this too
15:37.34themilllinux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is also on backports.org now
15:37.35p3ui saw it on kmuto webpage ;)
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15:38.05wols_doorknob60: ntpdate
15:38.06p3uthemill: so adding it source.list will provide security update right ?
15:38.23wols_!tell doorknob60 about ntp
15:38.36themillp3u: well... there is some amount of security support through backports.org, but I'd still be keeping on top of it myself
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15:38.54doorknob60wols_ thanks
15:38.57p3uok ok
15:38.58themillp3u: if/when backports.org no longer cares about 2.6.24, you'd would be on your own.
15:39.18Bushmills!tell austin about ubuntu
15:39.28p3uthank you #debian ;)
15:39.58p3ujust one more question
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15:40.18p3ukmuto and stable seem to be the easiest solution
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15:40.38Ace2016How do i change the xorg screen resolution to 1600x1200?
15:40.40p3ubut is there a harder solution to install an etch whitout using backporsts ?
15:40.50Ace2016i tried xrandr -S 1600x1200 but it refuses
15:40.51NyleAce2016, open a xterm type xrandr
15:40.57Nylesee if the mode is listed
15:41.00Ace2016but i'm using the external crt
15:41.18Ace2016xrandr with what arguments?
15:41.18epsilonedit xorg.conf
15:41.23Nyleno arguments
15:41.24TwinXhi, do I need 5 DVDs for Lenny for a base install?
15:41.27doorknob60i installed ntp, but i dont know how to use it
15:41.35epsilonTwinX: no the beta netinstall CD
15:41.41daeosI've recently installed debian again, from a fresh netinstall cd, after doing so and after going through full updates also.. it has become clear to me that I am not using the most recent version of GNOME, and possibly other packages, without having to go search anywhere on google for repository locations... how can i pull up the dpkg program to redo my repository list? is it just dpkg-reconfigure? and then just skip the rest of the sc
15:41.53BushmillsTwinX: no, one blueray would do
15:42.00Ace2016lol
15:42.07p3ulol
15:42.08Nyledaeos, maybe you want backports.org?
15:42.12Ace2016can't you do a netinstall?
15:42.16TwinXepsilon; some dude asked me the DVD version, I always use the netinst. ツ
15:42.34TwinXBushmills;  DVD1 is enough ?
15:42.42Ace2016just get the complete set of cds mailed to you
15:42.42epsilonTwinX: the lenny is still in testing and packages get updated ony daily base
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15:42.52epsilonTwinX: packages on dvd will be old next week
15:42.58TwinXepsilon;  true ツ
15:43.00daeosNyle: why would I use backports? im using Etch but for some reason the repository i have is using GNOME 2.14 and not 2.22
15:43.13Nyle!backport
15:43.13dpkghmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
15:43.17BushmillsTwinX: should be dvd1, yes. but don't sue me if it is #2 :)
15:43.21Nyle!stable
15:43.22dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>.
15:43.23TwinXlol
15:43.30Nyledaeos, that is why.
15:43.43epsilonis there any lenny dvd in first way?
15:43.52epsilonthought only netinstall beta is available so far...
15:44.00TwinXthanks guys, I'll try to convince the dude to try netinst.
15:44.07daeosNyle: yeah im lost.. sorry
15:44.18Nyledaeos, etch only contains 2.14.  I would check backports.org to see if they have a updated gnome packages for etch
15:44.29BushmillsTwinX:  i reckon most people here do net install
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15:44.36daeosNyle: ok now THAT made sense... thanks
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15:44.50Nyledaeos, etch is frozen and when it went stable gnome was at 2.14.  Etch  will not recieve updates anymore regardig new software as it is frozen
15:44.51TwinXBushmills;  includin me :D
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15:45.21Nyledaeos, to get newer versions of software for etcn you should first check backports.org to see if they have it or not
15:45.25daeosNyle: how nice... so i'd need to add a backports listing in my repositories right?
15:45.33Nyledaeos, that is corret
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15:45.53Nyle!bpo
15:45.54dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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15:46.28doorknob60ah, i get ntp working, my clock's correct now. thanks :)
15:47.05Nyledaeos, in case backports.org does not contain what you have, and you are feeling brave, you can try to backport it yourself, in which case try /msg dpkg ssb
15:47.25kienerii_!help
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15:47.26daeosNyle: oh no, im not feeling brave, i just want new software
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15:47.51Nyledaeos, since you want gnome I assume you need a desktop system
15:48.05Nyledaeos, maybe you should look into upgrading to debian/testing
15:48.34kienerii_!crypt
15:48.43Nylekienerii_, you can /msg the bot
15:48.54kienerii_Nyle: ah okay, merci
15:48.56Nyle!tell kienerii_ -about dpkgbot
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15:49.05Nyle!tell kienerii_ -about dpkg.web.search
15:49.09SerajewelKShow do i kill zombie processes?
15:49.13cr3if the EDITOR environment variable is not set, where is the default value defined?
15:49.19NyleSerajewelKS, kill its parent process
15:49.31NyleSerajewelKS, find the ppid of a pid and kill that instead
15:49.42Nyle!ppid
15:49.42dpkgi guess ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid"
15:49.48Nyle!zombie
15:49.49dpkgA zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code.  This usually means the parent process is buggy.  You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
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15:50.03SerajewelKSNyle: pstree won't even run :/
15:50.22SerajewelKSit hangs
15:50.41Nylehmm
15:50.43jellySerajewelKS: the zombie process isn't a problem but a symptom
15:51.00SerajewelKSNyle: the parent is pid 1
15:51.06SerajewelKSNyle: guessing i don't want to kill init
15:51.10liableonce the parent dies, init will reap it
15:51.12Nyleno you don't
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15:51.23SerajewelKSliable: well it's not
15:51.24NyleZ+ is no problem
15:51.27daeosNyle: well, yes i do need a desktop system... just for small uses... nothing major, but i do not want to break anything... not that it would be hard to reinstall, im running this on Sun xVM
15:51.35Nylelet zombies run free, its not that big of a deal.
15:51.41jellyliable: init shouldn't hoard zombies, somthing is wrong
15:51.46SerajewelKSand the fact that pstree is hanging troubles me
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15:51.58jellySerajewelKS: strace ps -fe &
15:52.05Nyledaeos, then stick with 2.14
15:52.07Nyle?
15:52.08liablejelly: indeed, init should reap them.
15:52.15SerajewelKSjelly: what am i looking for
15:52.18Nyledaeos, you have your options laid out in front of you
15:52.26jellySerajewelKS: where it will stop :-)
15:52.28daeosNyle: yep im doing the backports right now
15:52.35SerajewelKSjelly: i think you meant pstree then
15:52.39jellySerajewelKS: no.
15:52.41sohmestrahow can I tell what X driver is currently in use?
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15:52.51SerajewelKSjelly: ps works, pstree hangs
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15:52.58Nyleecho $DISPLAY maybe?
15:52.59jellySerajewelKS: pstree sucks! :-)
15:53.02liablesohmestra: check your xorg log
15:53.08Nyleor that
15:53.26SerajewelKSodd, now it's working
15:53.35SerajewelKSmy box is doing some weird shit
15:53.37jellySerajewelKS: do you have an nfs or some fuse-based fs mount?
15:53.42SerajewelKSjelly: no
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15:53.57SerajewelKSmy box has been randomly freezing lately, i'm wondering if i'm seeing the build-up to that point
15:54.06jellySerajewelKS: which kernel?
15:54.07sohmestraso there is no utility that will display that info?
15:54.10Nylejelly, I had a mount -t cifs and connection broke... all my terms were hung
15:54.15SerajewelKSi ran memtest last night for 7+ hours and it didn't find anything
15:54.18SerajewelKSjelly: 2.6.25
15:54.20sohmestraapart from my favorite text editor?
15:54.25jellySerajewelKS: from the distro?
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15:54.31liableSerajewelKS: yes, when you read the log it will display the value...
15:54.34SerajewelKSjelly: yes, stock -2-amd64
15:54.37liablesohmestra: ^^^^
15:54.37petemcsohmestra: a pager
15:54.40Nylesohmestra, X driver oh
15:54.46jellySerajewelKS: I'm seeing issues with 2.6.25-2-686
15:54.54NyleI thought you said what display you running X on
15:54.58SerajewelKSjelly: it was freezing on 2.6.24 as well
15:55.09jellySerajewelKS: mine wasn't. :-D
15:55.11SerajewelKSjelly: which happens to be the first kernel supporting my SATA controller, so i don't have a lot of options...
15:55.18liablei have had issues with x partially locking up for months
15:55.34SerajewelKSliable: was that to me?
15:55.39jellySerajewelKS: doesn't sound like it supports it that well, does it
15:55.42liablekeyboard input like xset was set to -1000
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15:55.51SerajewelKSjelly: i have no clue
15:55.51liableerr, repeat rate
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15:55.58SerajewelKSjelly: windows suffers the same problem
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15:56.03liableSerajewelKS: no sorry
15:56.06SerajewelKSjelly: i'll be playing some TF2 and bam, everything locks
15:56.12Nylesohmestra, grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:56.15Nylepetemc, what?
15:56.30SerajewelKSjelly: so i suspect that the linux kernel is not that important in this issue
15:56.42jellySerajewelKS: can't help with that.  random blaming: 3d graphics
15:56.47SerajewelKSjelly: memtest tentatively ruled out bad ram
15:56.51liableSerajewelKS: if it happens in windows, run memtest
15:56.56jellySerajewelKS: memtest86+?
15:57.03SerajewelKSjelly: yes
15:57.04petemcNyle: you dont know what a pager is?
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15:57.11SerajewelKSliable: i did for 7+ hours last night, nothing
15:57.22Nylepetemc, yes I do but how does that answer his question?
15:57.30SerajewelKSwell nothing if i use the standard BIOS-Std sizing
15:57.37Nylepetemc, he asked to see which driver his Xorg was using
15:57.42SerajewelKSif i use BIOS-All or Probed it takes a shit on the screen and locks
15:57.48liableSerajewelKS: may be a dodgy mobo then i guess.
15:57.49petemcNyle: right, and he can page through the log with a pager
15:58.01Nylepetemc, oh I thought you meant desktop pager applet
15:58.04SerajewelKSbased on the docs it sounds like those two options aren't safe on my hardware
15:58.09SerajewelKSliable: that's possible
15:58.13SerajewelKShardware problems suck
15:58.24petemcso you didnt know what a pager was...
15:58.24liableand hard to diagnose
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15:58.51SerajewelKSliable: i don't recall this happening very much though, only recently
15:58.59jellySerajewelKS: does your machine have a trackpoint, btw?
15:59.09HardDisk_WParghl...
15:59.12SerajewelKSjelly: no clue wtf that is
15:59.16HardDisk_WPlayer2.c: In function 'II_step_two':
15:59.16HardDisk_WPlayer2.c:263: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
15:59.33HardDisk_WPhow do I set up a debian cross compile toolchain for ARMv5tel
15:59.36Nylepetemc, I know what a pager is, but not the same one as you, and I answered your question about if I know what a pager is before I realized we are not talking about the same thing
15:59.36liableSerajewelKS: i think people generally suggest getting a new power unit first
15:59.50SerajewelKSliable: it's <1mo old
15:59.52jellySerajewelKS: little nippley replacement for mouse stuck between keys G, H and B
15:59.53Nylepetemc, and regardless of the matter, "its all pete's fault anyway"
15:59.57Nyle;)
16:00.00wols_HardDisk_WP: you are very very very sure your hardware is fine? ie no OC or such?
16:00.03liableSerajewelKS: even more reason to suspect it
16:00.14SerajewelKSjelly: it's a desktop dude
16:00.19liableSerajewelKS: thats why they have gaurentees :)
16:00.26SerajewelKSliable: antec? they make pretty good shit i thought
16:00.29jellySerajewelKS: oh.  I won't buy it then! :-)
16:00.31HardDisk_WPwols_, this is ARMv5tel NSLU...it has had it dear problems with gcc
16:00.36liableSerajewelKS: noone is perfect
16:00.45HardDisk_WPI never built a package successful.
16:00.52HardDisk_WPALWAYS there was an error
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16:01.36wols_HardDisk_WP: have you googled for a cross compiler how to or even a ready made one?
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16:02.01maligorSerajewelKS, more like ok stuff, and good looking cases
16:02.43wols_HardDisk_WP: slugs are just too popular for none to exist
16:03.17HardDisk_WPwols_, I have tried setting up crosscompile envs for various archs now... I never got any of them working
16:03.18SerajewelKSliable: is there a way i could test the PSU without getting a new one
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16:03.36HardDisk_WPthe last time I tried a toolchain for the NSLU to recompile its kernel, it nearly bricked it :/
16:03.39SerajewelKSsadly i don't have one of them money trees yet
16:03.53liableSerajewelKS: not that i know of.
16:04.03masushi all how to install msttcorefonts with aptitude on debian etch. Can anybody help ? Thanks ...
16:04.09HardDisk_WPwols_, or can I trick the debian package of mpg123 into believing libasound is installed?
16:04.19SerajewelKSliable: interestingly when linux is booted and it freezes the kernel still seems alive
16:04.25SerajewelKSliable: i can ping the box and open connections to it
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16:04.49wols_!msttcorefonts
16:04.49SerajewelKSliable: but the userspace applications all seem dead (apache and sshd won't respond, but the kernel does accept the connections)
16:04.49dpkgwell, msttcorefonts is a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ and ask me about <install font>.
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16:05.38SerajewelKSliable: not sure if that affects the diagnosis
16:05.52SerajewelKSliable: the kernel log doesn't show anything helpful
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16:06.35junix-otherdoes anyone know when ssh 4.7 will come down to stable?
16:06.51themilljunix-other: it will never do so.
16:06.59masuswols_: aptitude search msttcorefonts returns nothing ??
16:07.08abrotmanjunix-other: it won't .. you should know better
16:07.18themilljunix-other: well, not until a completely new stable is released (i.e. lenny). /msg dpkg wwlr
16:07.34jellyjunix-other: when lenny is out
16:08.08junix-otherhmmm....i need an easy way of setting up SFTP Jail like you can do for ftp
16:08.27maligorSerajewelKS, if you have training in electronics, you should know that yes, it is possible test it with proper equipment
16:08.42maligorI won't recommend even considering it unless you do have training tho
16:08.47jellyjunix-other: can ssh 4.7 do it?
16:08.53SerajewelKSmaligor: if i had training i would have tested it already :)
16:08.59masusdo i need to add something to apt sources.lst ?
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16:09.49maligortesting a psu just requires a multimeter and a way to connect it between the links
16:09.51junix-otherjelly: i believe it can, i think it was merged with a patch from 4.8
16:10.36junix-otheris there a way to do ssh/pam/jail???
16:10.54jellythe age-old question... does a swap partition go at the beginning or at the end of disk in a root+swap setup?
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16:11.50maligorbeginning is the fastest part of the disk
16:12.33maligornot sure if it's fast enough to make any difference anyway tho :P
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16:12.54daeosNyle: thanks that worked, i have 2.16 now
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16:13.08maligorthere's orders of magnitude in speed difference between memory and dis
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16:15.27wols_masus: read the factoid again
16:15.33wols_!tell masus about contrib
16:15.51masus:) ok
16:16.21wols_masus: testing a PSU needs a bit more than that
16:16.40wols_jelly: middle probably :)
16:16.47wols_the reasoning being: access time
16:17.14mothow do i format a floppy? :D
16:17.17wols_ideally of course you'd put it on its own disk or at least a rarely used one
16:17.18mot(from commandline)
16:17.24wols_masus: mkfs
16:17.27wols_mot: ^^
16:17.45_progress_hi, can someone tell me what is this /dev/.static/dev  ....  http://87.121.27.12/uploaded/partitions.jpg
16:18.08wols__progress_: your /dev before udev is run
16:18.30_progress_wols_: what does it mean??
16:18.40wols_it's the old /dev. it means nothing. ignore it
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16:19.29wols_poseidon: erm, that's a mountpoint
16:19.41wols__progress_: why do you mount stuff under /dev?
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16:21.28_progress_wols_: i don't know. Today i remove my gentoo because debian and copy-paste debian partition from /dev/hda4 to /dev/hda2. After that i remove /dev/hda4 and add the space from him to /dev/hda3 who actualy is my /home
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16:22.52_progress_and just that's happend.../dev/.static/dev/
16:23.16badarIs it safe to install programs via root user?
16:23.26wols_badar: it's the ONLY way to install programs
16:23.47paskyHi, I have a private apt repository at http://example.com/foo - how to tell apt-get to look for packates at http://example.com/foo/dists/main/binary-i386/kernel-image-2.6.24.2-kamdesktop_8_i386.deb instead of http://example.com/foo/main/binary-i386/kernel ? Without any Release file at all it did the right thing, but now that I have Release file there (for the GPG signature), the dists/ disappeared from the URL apt-get tries.
16:23.54wols_well you could install stuff in your ~ but systemwide stuff or via apt: root it is. either via sudo or root account
16:23.57themillbadar: do you mean compile or install?
16:24.03badarinstall
16:24.08badaraptitude
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16:24.19wols_badar: then you must be root
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16:25.41daeosabrotman: just had to say hi to you , been a while since i talked to you
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16:29.44SerajewelKSman wtf
16:29.47SerajewelKSi just did an su -
16:29.54SerajewelKSput in my password, and now su is frozen
16:29.55SerajewelKSthe hell
16:30.08SerajewelKScould this be disk related?
16:30.50SerajewelKSnow when i ssh it times out on the MOTD
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16:31.05SerajewelKSit's like my box is a character in the happening
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16:32.53SerajewelKSok now i'm pretty sure this is a disk issue... now the question is how do i narrow it down to a specific disk, or to the controller itself?
16:33.25Speekixse ne va e vi saluta
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16:35.19chopsSerajewelKS: Checked dmesg?
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16:36.24chopsSerajewelKS: Also, why are you sure it's a disk related issue?  FWIW, I've actually had random ssh "freezes" starting some weeks back (which I assumed were related to a misconfigured Cisco router along the way, since dodging that router made them not happen).
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16:37.13chopsSerajewelKS: You could do an strace -p on the frozen process and see what it's doing when it freezes (presumably some sort of I/O; you can look in /proc/.../fds to find out what file descriptor isn't working properly
16:37.47chopsSerajewelKS: Er /proc/.../fd rather
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16:40.41ErikRoseAnybody know a remote way to ask a machine what size DIMMs are in which slots?
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16:41.13ErikRosehas to order some RAM but doesn't feel like trekking to the machine room to see what's in there.
16:41.26cahoottry dmidecode
16:41.26stewErikRose: dmidecode is your best bet
16:41.32ErikRoseThanks!
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16:42.15cahootErikRose: there's a tool that gives more (even make IIRC)
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16:42.27ErikRosecahoot: Ooo!
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16:43.35eyerisWhy is there no 2.6.18 SMP kernel in etch? Are all kernels > 2.6.16 SMP by default now?
16:43.36ErikRosecahoot: Any hints on the name?
16:43.52eyerisI mean, I have 2.6.18 installed and uname -a says SMP
16:43.55cahootErikRose: I'm looking
16:43.58ErikRoseAh, sorry. :-)
16:44.05ErikRoseI thought you were being coy.
16:44.26eyerisbut is there really no non-SMP kernel now?
16:45.24chopseyeris: I don't think so, no
16:45.25wols_eyeris: -486
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16:45.35wols_chops: there is, the installer kernel -486
16:45.49wols_but that's the only one
16:45.51eyerisOh, duh. That makes sense.
16:46.26oz__lu all
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16:47.05ErikRosestew: This is really doing the trick. Thanks!
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16:50.20cahootErikRose: the one I looked for is:decode-dimms.pl
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16:59.23Yermanduhy i am compile new kernel and now the sound can't work.
16:59.45YermanduAnyone know why?
17:00.15cahootthe obvious answer would be misconfiguration
17:00.45dalurka!br
17:00.45dpkgEste canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:02.45abrotmandaeos-away: hi
17:02.45wols_Yermandu: start witha  debian config. make oldconfig and then use kernel-package
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17:03.31wols_Yermandu: stop messaging people
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17:05.19badboycould someone tell why xorg keeps loading the dri module even though I don't have dri in the module section of xorg.conf?
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17:06.13abrotmansomething else needs it ?
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17:06.39sly007Hello, I am suspecting a user do no nasty things in a screen. So I am doing, as root, su USER -c "screen -r", but I get the following error message: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
17:06.41sly007Any idea?
17:06.57badboyabrotman: like for example what?
17:07.10abrotmanno idea .. look in your logs
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17:07.29badboyabrotman: I'm trying do get nvidia drivers to work
17:07.46NoxInsly007: backup it's password in /etc/shadow .. hcange the password,  log using his login ...
17:07.46badboyabrotman: the accelerated ones
17:08.28abrotman!nvidia one-liner
17:08.29dpkgrumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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17:08.38stewsly007: try running "su - $USER" then in the new terminal, try "screen -x"
17:08.39chopssly007: Try su -l username
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17:09.07sly007sd-13641:~/tmp# su -l steam
17:09.07sly007steam@sd-13641:~$ screen -r
17:09.07sly007Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
17:09.08stewsly007: or you can watch all commands being run by all users by installing snoppy and watching /var/log/auth.log (but this is a performance hit)
17:09.53badboyabrotman: here's my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/vLVLgp25.html
17:10.06abrotmani'd guess nvidia needs dri ?
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17:10.07badboyabrotman: and here's the Xorg log: http://rafb.net/p/In7ZfZ56.html
17:10.33badboyabrotman: according to the howto there shouldn't be any dri in xorg.conf
17:10.35petemcsly007: try chown user `tty` ; su - user ; screen -x
17:11.19abrotmanbadboy: i don't use nvidia stuff so i shouldn't really comment .. but how did you install the nvidia stuff ?
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17:11.39badboyabrotman: from nvidia website
17:11.55badboyabrotman: can I do it via apt-get or smth?
17:11.56abrotmanbadboy: use the one-liner from above .. we won't support the nvidia .run installer
17:12.20badboyabrotman: so what should I do?
17:12.20abrotmanbadboy: how did you install xorg? aptitude install xorg ?
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17:12.44badboyabrotman: during the installation of this system
17:14.00sly007when are /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- synchronized?
17:14.24sly007petemc: thanks it worked
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17:14.51abrotmanbadboy: i wonder if the nvidia.com installer even supports your card anymore
17:15.26wols_abrotman: nvidia.com also provides the legacy driver
17:15.26badboyabrotman: it does, by 96xx drivers, it's gf4 440 mx
17:15.33abrotmanok
17:15.37wols_fron tnt onwards
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17:17.01jellyhm, I get "no public key" on a fresh etch debootstrap, but debian-archive-keyring is installed and apt-key update was done.
17:17.35sybecHello. Is `aptitude` -the- preferred / main / official / recommended / etc. console package management tool for Debian ( stable/testing/unstable ) ?
17:17.38badboyabrotman: everything's fine except when I try to run i.e. glxinfo the X crashes :(
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17:17.45wols_sybec: yes
17:18.14wols_badboy: that's unfortunate but abrotman already told you we don't support your installer
17:18.17sybecwols_: Is apt-get considered obsolete?
17:18.31wols_!tell sybec about why aptitude
17:18.57themillsybec: not obsolete, just not the preferred method for some things any more.
17:19.01badboywols_: can I use apt-get install nvidia-drivers or something like that?
17:19.13wols_badboy: yes
17:19.26wols_!tell badboy about nvidia
17:19.27sybecwols_: Thanks a lot.
17:19.31sybecthemill: Thanks.
17:19.44abrotmanbadboy: the bot showed you .. 10 minutes ago
17:19.46wols_sybec: just don't mix aptitude and apt-get usage
17:19.59wols_badboy: if you backport you get the same version even
17:20.00abrotmani do it!
17:20.11wols_but you're crazy and don't count
17:20.30badboywols_: thx guys
17:21.12abrotmanwols_: or selective
17:21.22NoxInwols_: what can go wrong if you mix the two ?
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17:21.37wols_aptitude will go uninstall happy
17:22.11abrotmanNoxIn: aptitude will think that stuff isn't needed and try to uninstall it
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17:22.28foobar8the initramfs script does not use /forcefsck ?
17:22.47wols_foobar8: huh? why would it?
17:22.58foobar8wols_: i somehow expected it
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17:23.23sly007when are /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- synchronized?
17:23.26foobar8wols_: another easy way to force checking of call filesystems on next reboot?
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17:23.51foobar8wols_: ~s/call/all
17:23.54wald0i want to ask... HOW much secure is to overclock a cpu ?
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17:24.01wols_foobar8: just use /forcefsck
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17:24.02wald0i mean... i don't want wrong data
17:24.16foobar8wols_: the root fs is not checked
17:24.19wols_wald0: I want to ask: how is this debian related?
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17:24.34wols_foobar8: I kinda doubt it
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17:24.59wald0wols_: because i use debian on it ? (lol, bad jk), well, i don't know where ask
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17:25.08wols_wald0: ##hardware
17:25.09sly007Where do I set up that I want apt to ask me everyquestion he may want, not only the very important ones?
17:25.16wald0mmh, ok
17:25.25wols_sly007: debconf
17:25.40wols_dpkg-reconfigure it
17:25.58sybecOne more question, I preferre installing software by specifying command line options (rather than use the ncurses interface); does this constitute a problem / bad practise as far as aptitude is concerned?
17:26.26foobar8wols_: /var/log/fsck/checkfs was created but the root fs definitely was not checked
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17:27.05sly007wols_: and now I can I see the question I missed installing packages :-) ?
17:27.09wols_foobar8: sudo touch /forcefsck&&shutdown -r now
17:27.14wols_sly007: no
17:27.24wols_sly007: you need to dpkg-reconfigure the package(s)
17:27.35wols_you cn also use dpkg-reconfigure -plow <package>
17:27.48sly007can I do this in a one liner with a * for instance :) ?
17:28.06sly007to express i want to reconfigure every package
17:28.09bushblowshmm, after setting up a debian etch chroot on debian etch with debootstrap, their is no apt-get installed, I did some tinking and tried a few things, but nothing, any thoughts?
17:28.13bushblowsa sid chroot works fine.
17:28.16wols_sly007: yes. but it will be very tedious. debian has TONS of packages
17:28.35sly007let me see how I can handle this
17:28.43sly007wols_: any one-liner?
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17:29.09abrotmanbushblows: aptitude ?
17:29.17bushblowsnegative
17:29.26bushblowstheir is no apt*
17:29.34abrotmanwget and dpkg ?
17:29.44bushblowswget no dpkg yes
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17:30.57bushblowsI know, I tried taking the apt-utils.deb from my current install, hoping by some chance it would just install and not complain, but it complained about dependencies.
17:31.54foobar8wols_: i did sudo touch /forcefsck and reboot
17:32.03sly007I installed a .deb I downloaded from http://ftp.<country_code>.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_<version>_<arch>.deb because i was not in testing at the time i needed it. Now it seems to be, will future version be automatically updated or do I have to remove the manually installed deb and install using apt-get?
17:32.23amphiis dict-devil broken on lenny for anyone else?
17:32.33wols_sly007: as soon as your normal repo has a higher version, it will be updated
17:33.11wols_amphi: /msg dpkg doesn't work
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17:34.46amphiwols_: eh?
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17:35.56foobar8wols_: i guess the problem is that in the /etc/fstab on that maschine the pass field is 0
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17:42.21ggeeckodoes iptables come enabled or do I have edit my kernel
17:42.31macouteit comes enabled
17:42.37ggeeckothx
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17:43.12Bushmillsggeecko: that's the case for debian. may be different for ubuntu
17:43.28macouteits not different for ubuntu either
17:43.30macouteiirc
17:43.41macoutebut i answered for debian, of courdse :)
17:43.50Bushmillsmacoute: i can't be sure, therefore "may be"
17:44.26macouteBushmills: yeah, for some distros it surely is different.
17:44.31Bushmillsjust wanted to make sure that ggeecko doesn't assume that what goes for debian is true for ubuntu without restrictions
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17:47.31abrotmanshouldn't he be asking #ubuntu then ?
17:48.22Bushmillsi suppose he would then, yes. probably.
17:48.50Bushmillsbut you know how difficult it is to not mix up answers one gets about two different systems. or maybe you don't
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17:53.22masushi, is there any package for tapioca "debian etch". Thanks a lot.
17:53.27psilocyb1nhow to re-encode mp3 files to lower bitrate so that it retains their tags?
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17:54.44masuspsilocyb1n: sox or lame
17:54.45chops!tell masus about search
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17:55.00psilocyb1nhm, ok
17:55.04psilocyb1nso lame wont remove tags?
17:55.05psilocyb1nok
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17:57.05masuschops: i have searched everywhere but cant find anything . can u help ?
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17:58.18chopsmasus: If you can't find anything with 'apt-cache search tapioca', I'd say it's a safe bet it's not in etch
17:58.20psilocyb1nnah, lame doesn't copy tags
17:58.50masusok :/
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18:00.21r0bhey guys having trouble setting the system time with or without the hardware clock on a dell inspiron 1720, ive tried setting up the hwclock with the directisa option and a ntp server but as soon as i reboot it doesnt keep the time
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18:02.14cognitiaclaevesI have a debian Etch installation that seems to have frozen during the "select and install software" step.  ( The bar isn't moving. )  Is there a way to determine if it's dead versus just doing some intensive process?
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18:03.27crisoI dont have a 'standy' option in GNOME, is there a package I need to install to get that functionality?
18:03.30kadathtry using one of the virtual consoles
18:03.44kadathcognitiaclaeves that is
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18:04.06kadathalt + F6 or one of the other F keys
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18:07.04r0bhey guys having trouble setting the system time with or without the hardware clock on a dell inspiron 1720, ive tried setting up the hwclock with the directisa option and a ntp server but as soon as i reboot it doesnt keep the time
18:07.23cognitiaclaeveskadath: I know about virtual consoles... just not sure what command I could execute to best tell me what I need to know, kadath.  Would you just use ps?  I can't seem to get it to ping...
18:07.56cognitiaclaeves... or top, for that matter.
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18:09.16Nyle!set time
18:09.16dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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18:11.07Nylecognitiaclaeves, switch to tty2 and enter ps x
18:11.53nvzI can't seem to figure out why after I accidentally deleted my ~/.sawfish/ I can't seem to get it to raise on focus anymore. I can't just put a binding for button1-click1 in the window context cause then I can't click on anything in a window anymore all it will do is raise the window. it should be in the focus tab but it doesn't seem to be. actually wait.. now that I think about it I may be able to do button1-off1 which will trigger on t
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18:12.08r0bNyle: the universal time is correct but my local time isnt set right with the hardware i assume cause its set back a few hours i can get it set by restarting ntp and ntpq -p but it wont do anything on boot
18:12.12nvzits really annoying though not having a window come to front when I click on it
18:12.23diegI think the Dell problem is that when the system tries to save the time to hwclock it gets a /dev/rtclock error
18:12.46|Ryan52This morning I check roots mailbox and discover that our email lists servers is out of space. Its a xen instance, and we use lvm. So I shutdown the xen instance, run 'lvresize --size +3G vg/wasp-disk', 'ext2resize /dev/mapper/vg-wasp--disk (even though its ext3)', right? And that won't break anything, right?
18:12.54r0bdieg: yea it does it timed out on /dev/rtc
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18:13.13LeRoutierHello
18:13.26Nylecondector, in the output of 'ps x' you will see the apt proess towards the end, kill it and check tty1 again, you should get a red error screen of the debian-installer. If not, continue to see if there is a dpkg pid and kill that and check the installer
18:13.30nvzugh, na, the button1-off1 doesn't work either.. it will raise the window but it makes it so the app never gets any clicks
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18:13.33r0bive found that the 24 kernel was the partial problem but now in a 2.6.22 doesnt make a difference
18:13.44diegr0b I've a d420 with the same unresolved problem
18:14.20Nyler0b, it would be a problem if you are dual booting with windows, or you don't have a network connection
18:14.37Nyleother than that it shouldn't as annoying
18:14.48abrotmanr0b: is the BIOS keeping time ?
18:14.58nvzidk, I guess I'll just have to live with Alt+Button3 to raise windows for now.. I doubt anyone even uses sawfish much less knows how to make it raise on focus
18:15.11Nyleis there a #sawfish?
18:15.16r0bNyle: im dual booting win xp and right now on a eth0 but gonna run a wireless connection as soon as this gets straight
18:15.17nvzhaha
18:15.20diegr0b try to unlock the BIOS settings in the BIOS
18:15.20nvzprobably
18:15.28LeRoutierCould someone point me to an existing solution to monitor tens/hundreds of debian servers remotely ? (I mean central user db, recovering remote dpkg/apt errors during install, ...)
18:15.42r0bdieg: i dont understand, i do have the bios time set correctly
18:15.50nvzNyle: I don't think you're gonna get much answers in a channel for a piece of code that hasn't even been touched in like 5+ years
18:16.10LeRoutierfor the central userdb, I saw userdir-ldap, but what about the other functions ?
18:16.54abrotmanpickle?
18:16.58nvzanywho I'm just gonna go fuck off for awhile before I gotta go to work. I guess when I got the time, I'll find the answer
18:16.59abrotmanpudding? what was that called
18:16.59Nyler0b, if you have a network connection, debian will keep time regardless of your cmos battery and/or a kernel/rtc problem, as it relies on ntp to sync time upon boot up.  Under windows you can install a similar ntpdate program to run on boot/startup that will sync your time.  If you have no network connection, you are fscked.
18:17.06diegr0b and you BIOS has password?
18:17.25r0bdieg: no
18:17.29|Ryan52nvm
18:17.31diegocuh
18:17.33diegoucho
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18:18.17r0bNyle: the xp doesnt have a problem keeping time, and i have ntp installed with 5 servers but it wont set the time on boot i have to manually type /etc/init.d/ntp restart to make it set the time
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18:19.39condectorNyle, han?
18:20.06r0bNyle: is there a reason taht ntp wont start on boot so i dont have to run that command every time the computer gets booted?
18:20.09keilais there an easy way to remove duplicate rules from iptables?
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18:20.27r0bi know i get an error on boot that system time cant be set
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18:21.59Nylecheck /var/log/syslog maybe
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18:23.24chopsr0b: What's the error exactly? (use pastebin)
18:23.24abrotman!info puppet etch
18:23.37abrotmanthat took forever to find
18:23.47dpkgpuppet: (centralised configuration management for networks), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.20.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 1916 kB
18:23.49abrotmanLeRoutier: ^^
18:23.51abrotmanLeRoutier: maybe ?
18:24.29r0bchops: where can i find the error after its already booted so i can pastebin it
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18:24.41chopsr0b: /var/log/syslog is a good place
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18:25.12LeRoutierabrotman, thank you, I'll investigate that
18:25.51kantorhi, I have a problem with grub. I have a hard disk with 3 operating systems on it. hda1 debian etch, hda2 windows, hda3 debian lenny.  My every day Os is Debian etch. I installed Debian lenny after windows and etch. then I reinstalled grub from debian etch, because lenny replaced with his grub and menu.list. I configured etch to include the Lenny partition (hda3), but I get the following error, when I try to boot Lenny:
18:25.55kantorkernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro
18:25.59kantorError 2: Bad file or directory type
18:26.05kantorPress any key . . . . . . .
18:26.54kantorI made a similar thing with ubuntu and etch (I used etch grub, menu.list to boot ubuntu) and I had no such problems
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18:27.03Nylekantor, what does your menu.lst entry look like?
18:27.17kantorNyle, the etch menu.lst ?
18:27.29kantoror the Lenny list ?
18:27.37RimFrosti have a question,  can i install debian from inside Fedora?
18:27.38Nyleyes the entry you created to boot the lenny partition/kernel
18:27.43cognitiaclaevesI think install is frozen at "select and install software".  Can I kill it and restart it at that point?
18:27.53cognitiaclaeves*Etch install
18:27.56Nylecognitiaclaeves, I told you what to do
18:28.11cognitiaclaevesNyle: I'm not sure what that is supposed to tell me.
18:28.24kantorNyle, I gonna put it in a pastebin, ok ?
18:28.58RimFrostor must i download cd image and install from that?
18:29.36Nylecognitiaclaeves, go to tty2, ps x, kill the dpkg/apt pid or was it tasksel i can't remember, anyway ps x should give you an idea. kill the pid and installer will give error, then it will give the options menu again in installer, from wich you can skip that step and do the next one
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18:29.57cognitiaclaevesNyle, ok.  I got it now, thanks.
18:30.00r0bchops: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20688
18:30.12kantorNyle, her eit is: http://pastebin.com/d2e4cd100
18:30.22RimFrostif i remember it right i saw somewhere in a forum someone else had done it
18:30.28kantorthat is the Debian Lenny menu.lst at hda3
18:31.04NyleJun 16 10:19:16 debian ntpd_initres[3220]: host name not found: 4.pool.ntp.org
18:31.12NyleJun 16 10:19:16 debian ntpd_initres[3220]: couldn't resolve `4.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it
18:31.28Nylejust a guess... maybe your ntp servers are not right?
18:31.39kantorNyle, maybe I need a grub-install /dev/hda, to refresh it, no ?
18:31.53chopsr0b: Is your network working properly?  It looks like both ntpdate and ntp have trouble talking to their time servers
18:31.58Nylebecause ntp is starting (and if you use ntp you don't need ntpdate really)
18:32.03r0byea the network is fine
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18:32.14Nyler0b, can you ping the servers manually?
18:32.14chopsr0b: Hm, I can't resolve '4.pool.ntp.org' either
18:32.27Nyleconfigure your hosts and try again
18:32.36chopsr0b: Can you pastebin /etc/ntp.conf?
18:33.01Nylekantor, hang on
18:33.10kantorok
18:33.13r0bchops: yes one sec
18:33.15kantorbrb
18:33.44Nylekanzure, I don't need entire menu.lst
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18:34.15Nylekanzure, you said that inside the etch menu.lst you created an entry to boot the lenny partition/kernrl/initrd, right?
18:34.24r0bchops: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20689
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18:35.01chopsr0b: I would remove that 4.pool.ntp.org line; I don't have that and my ntp seems to work okay
18:35.21r0bso all those other lines are fine?
18:35.37r0bok gonna restart see waht happens
18:35.39Nyler0b, if they respond to ping yes
18:35.49chopsr0b: Looks like it... what about /etc/default/ntpdate; can you pastebin that as well?  Thanks.
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18:36.08kantorNyle, I made a grub-reinstall /dev/hda but the problem is the asme
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18:36.59r0bchops: nothing in there
18:37.15r0bi removed ntpdate after installing ntp
18:37.22chopsr0b: Ah, makes sense
18:37.30chopsr0b: Yeah, try with 4.pool.ntp.org removed
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18:37.40r0btrying it now
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18:37.55soulchildHey, are there themes for XDM ?
18:38.26Nylekantor, bios gives control to grub on which partition's grub?
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18:38.45Nylekantor, when you boot the system, does etch grub come up, or lenny grub?
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18:39.26foobar8|Ryan52: resize2fs is used to resize ext3 fs, too - using lvm you and new enough versions you do not even have to unmount the filesystem
18:39.40kantorNyle, etch grub, because after I installed Lenny, I used etch DVD with the rescue mode to reinstall etch's grub to the MBR
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18:40.01kantorbecause etch is my main OS
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18:40.16Nylekantor, ok, now you would want to add an entry in the etch grub/menu.lst to boot the lenny installer
18:40.33Nyles/installer/partition
18:40.49r0bchops: still not working, ntp starts fine but i still get this error "Unable to set System Clock to : Mon Jun 16 10:39:00 EDT 2008" whent the time is actually 14:40 here
18:41.16r0bgetting /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
18:41.18Nyleso do hd(0,2) or whatever,  on the 'kernel' line specify the path to the lenny kernel, initrd same thing, etc. etc. the examles are in menu.lst
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18:41.42Nylekantor, have you created such an entry in the etch grub menu.lst?
18:41.47kantorNyle, wait here is my etch (that is on hda1) menu.lst: http://pastebin.com/d181b4d2a
18:41.50kantoryes
18:41.56Nylelet me see just that
18:42.19Nyleoh ok
18:42.21Nylehang on
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18:42.52kantorok
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18:43.45Nylelooks good to me
18:44.14kantoryes, to me too, i mean I'm not a newbie, and I can't explain he problem Nyle
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18:44.50kantorNyle, I made exactly the same thing a few weeks ago with Ubuntu and debian etch, and worked
18:45.03poseidonI have to edit a lot of files under /path/to/dev/files.  How can I make it so I will always be able to edit files under that directory without running su or kdesu?
18:45.33drthodtchmod
18:45.49drthodtor sudo
18:46.00r0bchops: have any idea?
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18:47.08ec_drthodt: sudo won't help him...
18:47.23ec_chmod/chown is the best way
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18:50.52drthodthow could sudo not help?
18:50.54drthodtsudo nano?
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18:52.54robomuppetIf he's working on development stuff he's most likely 1. working from a GUI and 2. keeping lots of files open simultaneously
18:53.14robomuppetso sudo isn't ideal, changing the permissions on the files would be a lot more efficient
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18:54.27ec_drthodt: you think he should have root permissions to edit any file?
18:55.11ec_that is no different from a security perspective than full root access
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18:55.46Eulexec_, depends on what file it _is_
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18:57.59ec_well sudo nano will get you any one of them
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18:59.25wols_kantor: there is no "boot" line
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19:00.16kantorwols_, in the etch menu.lst ?
19:00.21wols_kantor: or simply run "grub" and check what hdds are available
19:00.28wols_in the lenny one
19:00.54wols_*what partitions
19:01.01Nylekantor, back
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19:01.52Nyleso your error is grub error2 Bad file or directory type
19:02.08chopsr0b: Hm, so your RTC isn't working...
19:02.16chopsr0b: What kernel are you running?  Any binary drivers?
19:02.17NyleOktane, are  you sure you are specifying the correct file location
19:02.30Nylenot Oktane  but ok<comma>
19:02.49Nyle10 : "Bad file or directory type" This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but something like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO.
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19:03.10Nylekantor, btw, google for "grub error messages"
19:03.30Nyle!fifo'
19:03.31Nyle!fifo
19:03.32dpkgit has been said that fifo is first-in-first-out, or another name for a named pipe, or man 4 fifo
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19:04.35Nylekantor, what says fdisk -l (pastebin)
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19:05.27Nylejust curious...
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19:06.25kantorNyle, ok
19:07.38kantorNyle, http://pastebin.com/d4f47e203
19:08.09Nylekantor, are you able to mount the lenny /boot partition somewhere?
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19:09.03kantorNyle, yes, I mounted a couple of times, to compare the menu.lst-s
19:09.50Nylekantor, I'm not sure exactly whats up
19:10.20Nyleon the grub prompt have you tried autocompletion on the partition/kernel/initrd lines?
19:10.36kantorwols_, can I simulate the boot process with the grub command ?
19:10.50kantorNyle, I don't know what's that
19:10.56Nylekantor, on the grub menu hit e and you can get into the grub> prompt
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19:11.15Nylefrom there you can try to boot whatever
19:11.17wols_kantor: you can check want partitions and files grub can see with this command
19:11.18kantorah, yes, I was there
19:11.31wols_on the grub prompt: "help"
19:11.58Nylekantor, why do you boot lenny?
19:12.20r0bchops: guess not um im using the 2.6.24-1-686 at the moment and the binary drivers im not sure but i did install the intel driver for xorg
19:12.31chopsr0b: Hm
19:12.38chopsr0b: I have no idea why it would fail to set your clock then
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19:12.46r0bchops: i also tried running 2.6.22-3 also doesnt help
19:12.47kantorNyle, why I'm not booting in lenny ?
19:12.50wols_r0b: lsmod
19:12.56chopsr0b: Does '/etc/init.d/hwclock start' work?  Does '/etc/init.d/hwclock'?
19:13.07chopsr0b: Er /etc/init.d/hwclock stop (for the second)
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19:13.20kantorNyle, do you mean to change the grub to the Lenny grub ?
19:13.36Nylesure try it
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19:13.40Nyleand use that to boot etch
19:14.02kantorNyle, I think that way works
19:14.10Nyleyou can chroot into lenny and install grub
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19:14.12Nyle!fixmbr
19:14.13dpkgSo you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"  Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
19:14.23kantorI only like to use etch grub because that is the main OS
19:14.32Nylekantor, I can understand
19:14.40NyleI like to be clean too
19:15.47r0bchops: no such file or directory
19:15.55r0bwols_: what am i looking for in lsmod
19:16.05wols_for a tainted kernel
19:16.16wols_tho it's probably not that
19:16.45badboywhy don't you people give yourself a break and watch Euro2008? ;)
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19:16.54r0bwols_: dont see it
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19:18.03maligorbadboy, sweaty men in tight clothes running after balls?
19:18.03amphibadboy: what's that? spr0t?
19:18.08chopsHm, what do I say to include all the arguments with no further processing in a bash script?
19:18.25badboymaligor amphi: something like that :P
19:18.29chopsJust $* will expand arguments with spaces to multiple arguments, and "$*" will treat all the arguments as a single argument
19:18.38amphiugh
19:18.41chopsIsn't there something that will give me all the script's arguments without molestation?
19:18.47dondelelcarochops: "$@"
19:18.53chopsdondelelcaro: Ah, that's it.  Thanks!
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19:19.38JyZyXEL!ati
19:19.39dpkgTo use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>.
19:20.43badboy!nvidia
19:20.43dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
19:20.47abrotman!msg the bot
19:20.47dpkgmsg the bot is, like, please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood.  Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>".  See also <selftell>.  Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database
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19:27.15twobitworkI have my public key in my remote hosts ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file, and the permissions for .ssh are 700 and all the files within are 600... but it still asks me for a password...
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19:27.41twobitworkwhat am I doing wrong?
19:28.29ec_set the sshd loglevel to debug and see
19:28.36ec_it will probably tell you pretty clearly
19:28.56ec_make sure you are identifying with the correct key with -i key/file
19:29.15ec_and that the server allows key-based auth
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19:32.07twobitworkec_: I'm sure it does... but I see something about a blacklist... maybe I never regen'd my key for this box
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19:33.08twobitworkyep, I think that was the problem.
19:33.09twobitworkthanks
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19:37.44eth01hmm
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19:39.24solarshi, I've got a huge problem, my lcd brightness key doesn't work on my laptop, and the setting is really dark. now I need a possibility to reset or set the brightness to 100% again, having an acer travelmate 660 with 855gm chipset, can anyone give me a hint?
19:39.30Nyleis it possible to have a dual head display where I can use the same mouse on both displays(physical monitors), yet monitor A has local Xserver/clients but monitor B has local Xserver/but reote XDMCP session?, like :0.0 is local system and :0.1 is remote xdmcp session
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19:39.34Nyle?
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19:39.42amphisolars: xbacklight perhaps
19:39.55amphisolars: or you could have a look under /sys/class/backlight
19:40.17jetscreamer#xorg nyle i would think
19:40.40solarsamphi, I have that dir without any contents, xbacklight -get just returns nan
19:41.18Nylejetscreamer, thank you
19:41.31ec_Nyle: I heard of a program named x2x which may help
19:41.44NyleI've heard of it too
19:42.04NyleI am avoiding solutions like that
19:42.05Nyleand/or synergy
19:42.38amphisolars: Nan eh? heh
19:42.42ec_well good look finidng a "native" solution
19:42.43solarsamphi, yeah
19:42.51Nyleec_, its possible right now...
19:42.58Nyleec_, are you familiar with XDMCP?
19:43.02enoufkde has a "Desktop follows mouse" :-P
19:43.06amphisolars: can you do anything in the bios?
19:43.10Nyleenouf, shaddup ;)
19:43.15ec_Nyle: yeah, can it solve that problem?
19:43.32enoufNyle: dude, think about it, you have 2 kde sessions, one on each display
19:43.33Nyleec_, join #xorg please?
19:43.41ec_nyle: I've never had your setup, just going by what I vaguely nkow
19:43.49Nyleoh
19:44.01solarsamphi, nope :(
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19:44.56enoufsolars: weren't you asking about a missing CONFIG_ACER_WMI in .25-x ? or somecrap
19:45.40Nyleok.  Monitor A and B hooked to desktop.  Monitor A == X on 0.0 and Monior B == X on 0.1 -- I would like Monitor A to show my local desktop and Monitor B to show my KDM imported from laptop via XDMCP (which if I currently launch on X :1, it works and mouse/key work of course becuase Xserver is local)
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19:45.51solarsenouf, yeah
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19:46.11solarsenouf, thats why I was looking for it
19:46.11enoufyeah what?
19:46.23enoufuse a known friggin working kernel ; done
19:46.24Nyleso basically wondering if I can import XDMCP on Xserver running on :0 and limit it to screen B
19:46.47solarsenouf ? it is working .. the problem is not related
19:46.59enoufoh, nm then
19:47.12claintNyle: sorry i just joined. what do you mean by limiting to screen B?
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19:47.33cremHello. I have a problem installing debian using "businesscard" cd image. It finds my network card but cannot transmit anything using it. In ifconfig I can see that the eth0 is up, but both TX and RX bytes are 0.
19:47.36NyleMonitor A and B hooked to desktop.  Monitor A == X on 0.0 and Monior B == X on 0.1 -- I would like Monitor A to show my local desktop and Monitor B to show my KDM imported from laptop via XDMCP (which if I currently launch on X :1, it works and mouse/key work of course becuase Xserver is local)
19:47.38cremAlso the network activity led is off as if network cable would unplugged (but eveyrhing is ok with the cable as this led switched on once MS Windows is loaded). The network card is built in into motherboard, and is switched on in BIOS settings. Can you suggest anything?
19:47.41Nyleclaint, ^^
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19:48.05enouffile:///etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess
19:48.10amphisolars: anything useful on linux-laptop.org or tuxmobil.org?
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19:49.42claintNyle: ah ok. does X :1 -query your.laptop.ip.number work?
19:50.06solarsamphi, not really :(
19:50.42Nyleclaint, of course, but I use -broadcast
19:51.41amphisolars: can you modprobe backlight?
19:51.50Nyleclaint, I would like for it to be something like X :0.1 -query laptop
19:51.59Nyleclaint, somehow
19:51.59solarsamphi, yeah that works
19:52.16amphisolars: have a look under /sys/class/backlight/ now
19:52.33solarsamphi, already tried that, no result :/
19:52.44amphi:(
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19:55.07ec_solars: try googling for your laptop model
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19:55.30ec_some (thinkpads especially) have particular drivers
19:55.38Nyleclaint, any ideas bro?
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19:55.58szymon_ghi
19:56.25szymon_gwhats the test procedure of packages in details?
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19:56.27solarsec_, thats what I'm doing since hours :)
19:56.27rahulNyle: you can't
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19:56.44rahulNyle: you can only have 1 WM per display... however, you can use whatever Xnest turned into
19:56.58Nylerahul, so I must run a seperate Xserver instance?
19:56.58zizzfizzixhot to make visible mounted partition in file manager etc. ? i can see /home; / (root); trash but no data partition
19:57.05zizzfizzixi'm using kde
19:57.07rahulNyle: yes. whether nested or not.
19:57.12rahulxserver-xephyr - nested X server
19:57.13zizzfizzixbut i think thats not the probleme
19:57.47cremNo ideas on my question? (how to switch on (or what does it need) the built in network card)
19:57.59rahulwith xephyr, you can choose to have the second screen have the xdmcp display or just be part of the larger display
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19:59.21moshisushihello, i just reinstalled apache2, and removed the /etc/apache2 directory.. now when i reinstall it those files are not recreated
19:59.30moshisushiany idea how i fix that`
19:59.54jetscreamer!fix-missing
19:59.58jetscreameroh
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20:00.02Nylerahul, well my goal was to have a dual head like that
20:00.03simonrvnapach2-common ...
20:00.05Nyleheh
20:00.07jetscreamer!conf-miss
20:00.07Nylebut..
20:00.07simonrvnapache2*
20:00.11jetscreamergah
20:00.11stewmoshisushi: /msg dpkg confmiss ; the config files are owned by the apache2.2-common package
20:00.13jetscreamerwtf is it
20:00.17jetscreameroh
20:00.28simonrvner, yeh, 2.2
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20:00.52simonrvnwjt: !
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20:01.57guilhermpI can't connect to my wireless router if I am far from it but if I go near and connect there and go far the network works perfectly
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20:02.07guilhermpand if I do iwlist it finds the router
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20:02.20simonrvnwjt: when you find one, tell me. closest thing i can think of is using apt-cache policy
20:02.25guilhermpbut doesn't get any dhcp_offer
20:02.59ec_guilhermp: and that's not just a signal problem, why?
20:02.59ec_oh sorry, i misread
20:02.59wjtsimonrvn: yeah
20:03.14guilhermpwhat can I do to connect to my router when I am far?
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20:04.01stewwjt: it would make a nice addition to apt-show-versions
20:04.04guilhermpI can do iwconfig wlan0 essid X enc X and dhclient finds the gateway
20:04.07wjtstew: it would
20:04.17guilhermpbut can't get any offer
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20:04.35guilhermpsteads on "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7"
20:04.40wjtapparently recent vlc breakage is triggered by having things from d-m installed, so i'm trying to look at what i have from there
20:04.47simonrvnyup. ad it as a flag, like --origin / -o
20:04.55simonrvnadd*
20:05.01harkwjt: aptitude search ~Ounoff~i
20:05.04jetscreamerwaves goodbye
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20:05.46zimmermancanyway to tell why i'm getting duplicate interfaces when trying to restart networking. i don't see any :s
20:05.46guilhermpand what is the wmaster0 if for?
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20:06.49twobitworkhttp://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/cpp.htm
20:07.01wjthark: *quality*; thanks
20:07.06twobitworkI love this article... sorry, I know it off topic, but any C++ programmer in here will love it
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20:07.40simonrvnhark: O_O neat
20:07.47simonrvnhark++
20:09.04wjtargh, i see
20:09.43guilhermphow do I upgrade my kernel to the latest version with synaptics or using a package
20:10.04simonrvndoesn't show the actual source though :/
20:10.15guilhermpeven if I need to configure it myself and then package it
20:10.26simonrvnsynaptic, synaptics is something completely different
20:10.39guilhermpsynaptic, sorry
20:10.45guilhermpsynaptics is the mouse drv
20:10.47zimmermancis anyone familiar with the error codes from ifup? ;\
20:10.57twobitworkI'm trying to build a debian livecd with live-helper, but I get this error when running lh_build: "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/isaac/stuff/d-live/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc"
20:11.33jelly-hometwobitwork: that's a W:arning, not an E:rror
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20:11.50twobitworkjelly-home: true... but it just stops there
20:12.36F6Fn8
20:12.46twobitworki.e., no iso
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20:13.12cognitiaclaevesI've got an Etch installation that appears to be stalled at "validating vim-tiny".  Checking /var/log/syslog, I keep seeing references to dhclient attempting to obtain an IP address for lo... and then sleeping when it is unsuccessful.  eth0 gets an ip without a problem.  Why is it trying to obtain an ip for lo?
20:13.34abrotmanbecause lo should be 127.0.0.1
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20:13.58twobitworkcognitiaclaeves: what does ifconfig say?
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20:14.34NyleXDMCP fatal error: Manager unwilling Host unwilling
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20:14.48twobitworkNyle: sounds like my work
20:14.54Nyleapparantly xdmcp decided to crap on me too again
20:14.55cognitiaclaevestwobitwork: it says that eth0 has a valid ip (for the internal subnet), and that lo is at 127.0.0.1 ...
20:15.00Nyletwobitwork, please do
20:15.09Nyletwobitwork, got any hints
20:15.58cognitiaclaeves... although... the mask might be wrong: 255.0.0.0.
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20:17.11guilhermphow do I disable an interface from being loaded by networking?
20:17.16Nylehttp://paste.debian.net/6659/ <-- kdmrc *regarding my xdmcp setup*
20:17.51zimmermancis there a limit on the number of virtual interfaces allowed or something
20:18.07stewguilhermp: remove the "auto interfacename" line from /etc/network/interfaces
20:18.25Nyleohoops
20:18.27Nylehangon
20:18.38zimmermanclol i'm an idiot
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20:19.34dvbHi, I have five users, two soundcards, and no luck with getting all users hearing sound. Now i probably ruined too much , and cannot eve compile a new alsa driver. It exits with a kdist_image Error 2: http://paste.debian.net/6660/ Thanks for any help!
20:20.27stewdvb: are all 5 users in the audio group?
20:20.54stewdvb: what command produced that log?
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20:21.07dvbstew: yes they are
20:21.16wjthark: hooray, you have saved my delicious sliced pig
20:22.01dvbstew: the log was suggested by module-assistant
20:22.27hasharhello, could anyone help me fix my Lucida Grande Bold font ? It looks ugly with bold : http://hash4r.free.fr/debianfonts/lucida_grande.html ;)
20:22.29stewdvb: what version of alsa are you trying to compile?
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20:22.49guilhermpis it normal that my computer is using all the memory and isn't using any swap?
20:23.03stewguilhermp: yes, /msg dpkg free memory
20:23.54dvbstew: I didn't specify, just m-a prepare m-a update etc for my debian sid, i686-bigmem
20:24.54guilhermpstew: so what's the swap for?
20:25.16ec_if there is no more real memory
20:25.32dvbstew: You mean bigmem is not needed?
20:25.38guilhermpbut it's getting very very slow
20:25.52guilhermpit even freezes
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20:26.09ec_or the kernel has judged there are more important uses for the ram and old stuff should be moved to swap
20:26.33stewguilhermp: show us the output of "free | sed -n 2p"
20:26.40ec_guilhermp: are you sure this is a memory problem?
20:26.50stewdvb: i think you are trying to replace alsa 0.16 with alsa 0.16
20:26.51guilhermpMem:       1028524    1014652      13872          0       2244     838528
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20:27.08guilhermpI was watching the free output
20:27.18stewguilhermp: so you have > 800MB of free memory still, so there is probably no reason to use swap
20:27.54stewguilhermp: since memory being used for cache is memory that could be made available instantly if it is needed by other applications
20:27.59guilhermpah now vbox already stoped
20:28.11hasharguilhermp: you can consider cached memory as free memory
20:28.38guilhermpno wait, I ran free when vbox wasn't already doing anything
20:30.30guilhermpMem:       1028524    1018800       9724          0       2108     834292
20:30.42guilhermponly 9mb free
20:31.34stewguilhermp: but 834MB being used as filesystem cache becuase nothing else is using it.  your system is just making use of the free memory for disk cache becuase nothing else is using it and disk cache makes your machine run faster
20:31.43guilhermpah hashar, but why is this losing performance that much?
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20:32.50hasharmaybe because of  IO ? Try out vmstat
20:33.01stewguilhermp: show us the output from a few seconds of "vmstat 1" when you are having performance problems (you can ignore the first line of output from "vmstat 1")
20:33.18hasharit gives you stats about swap in/out, and cpu usage (and more)
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20:34.15imduffy15Hey guys how can i add a path permanently to $PATH
20:34.25moos3is there a port of pf for debian?
20:34.50guilhermp<PROTECTED>
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20:35.25badarHow can I add program to auto startup? Program runs not from /etc/init.d/ but with a signle word, like "gnome" (just an example)
20:35.36moos3imduffy15: edit your /bash_rc
20:35.45stewguilhermp: that is showing 80% iowait (the last column), which is usually an indication that hard disk access is the bottleneck
20:35.50imduffy15moos3, nope? what do i add to it?
20:35.54ec_badar: user programs or system services?
20:36.02stewimduffy15: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles
20:36.08moos3what you trying to add to you it
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20:36.13badarec_ user program
20:36.25guilhermpah so I'm losing performance because of disk usage?
20:36.37ec_to run inside your graphical session?
20:36.54badarno, it's not graphical program
20:36.57guilhermpis there anything I can do to increase the disk speed?
20:37.00stewguilhermp: yes, most of the time your CPU is idle becuase all the runnable processes are waiting for their turn with the hard drives
20:37.03espenI am trying to setup a nfs share between a nslu2 running deb and an hardy client. the nslu2 has 5 hdd's mounted in mnt and all premissions is 755. I can see the directories where they are mounted from my client, but they are all empty....any ideas?
20:37.44guilhermpstew: and is this normal while creating a vbox disk or do I have a disk misconfiguration?
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20:38.00stewguilhermp: i don't know what vbox is
20:38.00ec_badar: if you want it to run in the background at startup add an init.d script
20:38.12badarhow to do that?
20:38.24ec_if you want it to run on login add it to .bashrc or your session manager init script
20:38.47ec_see /etc/init.d/skel
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20:38.58stewbadar: you can add it to a user crontab with @reboot (man 5 crontab ; man 1 crontab)
20:39.06ec_then add the links with update-rc.d
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20:39.59twobitworkNyle: I was just making a bad joke about managers
20:40.05Ad84slackware or debain or gentoo?
20:40.14stewAd84: ask ##linux
20:40.36twobitworkAd84: are you asking our opinion about which to use?
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20:40.47Ad84yes pls
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20:40.59stewAd84: this is the wrong channel for such a query
20:41.01twobitworkAd84: what do you expect us to say?
20:41.05hasharI use windows, a stable and robust system.
20:41.10twobitworkhashar: hahahaha
20:41.11stewhashar: troll elsewhere
20:41.13espenAd84: which carbrand is the best?
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20:41.25Ad84???
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20:41.56guilhermpstew: vbox is like vmware
20:42.18guilhermpvirtualises OSes
20:42.22imduffy15Hey guys having a slight problem i used xampp and i am trying to install something but it can't find the mysql libs how can i fix this?
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20:42.36stewimduffy15: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
20:42.57twobitworkimduffy15: what is xampp?
20:43.08imduffy15its a webserver
20:43.13badarec_, I don't have any /etc/init.d/skel
20:43.18Nylerahul, how about this
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20:43.32badarCan't I just copy program to /etc/init.d and chmod it?
20:43.33twobitworkimduffy15: so... your question is, what mysql libs do you need to install to get xampp working?
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20:44.02imduffy15twobitwork, Nope i have xammp install but i am trying to install denora irc stats but it can not find the mysql libs
20:44.06ec_badar: no
20:44.32badarwhy not?
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20:44.48Nylerahul, X :0.0 runs on monitor A and does local desktop.  Monitor B does X :1.1 -query laptop -- and then somehow share the mouse/keyboard between the two xservers
20:45.02Nyleis this possible?
20:45.08rahulNyle: you can't run an X server on a screen
20:45.18rahulNyle: an X server is by definition a display
20:45.30NyleGODDAMIT!
20:45.43ec_badar: because that's not how debian's init system works
20:45.43rahulif you have 2 X servers, you have two displays
20:45.43Nyleis there ANY way to accomplish whatI want?
20:45.44twobitworkimduffy15: what do you mean by mysql libs? you need the language bindings or something?
20:45.54rahulNyle: yes. don't use screens. use displays.
20:46.02Nylerahul, how do you mean?
20:46.25rahulNyle: well, if you want two X servers, they create different displays...
20:46.31imduffy15twobitwork, yea it can't find the mysql libs cause there not in the $PATH its xammp so its kind of a portable webserver
20:46.39stewimduffy15: show us the actual error
20:46.52stewimduffy15: libs don't go in the $PATH
20:46.55NyleMonitor A and B hooked to desktop.  Monitor A == X on 0.0 and Monior B == X on 0.1 -- I would like Monitor A to show my local desktop and Monitor B to show my KDM imported from laptop via XDMCP (which if I currently launch on X :1, it works and mouse/key work of course becuase Xserver is local) -- This is what I really want, doesn't matter how I end up accomplishing, if there is a way
20:46.56rahulNyle: however, they can't both access the mouse or keyboard at the same time (not in any way that will keep you sane while using the computer)
20:47.17imduffy15stew, i do not know the actual error somebody from on another network told me to come here and say that was the problem.......
20:47.19twobitworkimduffy15: libs don't go in $PATH... any library installed with apt should be put in a place that's findable
20:47.25rahulNyle: I told you about xephyr if you want the mouse/keyboard handling to be sane
20:47.31stewimduffy15: find out the actual error
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20:47.39imduffy15Ok i'll try
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20:47.58Nylerahul, well right now I'm having to chvt or alt+f8 to go to my X on :1 to use laptop
20:48.08NyleI was really only trying to use this spare monitor I have
20:48.10rahulNyle: that's what I just said
20:48.16twobitworkimduffy15: neither xampp or denora are supported here... so, you'll have to be more specific with what your problem is
20:48.24Nylerahul, ?
20:48.40imduffy15Ok thanks anyways i'll try find a xammp support channel
20:48.41rahulNyle: "they can't both access the mouse or keyboard at the same time"
20:48.53Nylerahul, I am aware of that...
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20:49.06dvbstew: one more try. I purged nything named "alsa" and retried. still, same error
20:49.18stewdvb: check the bts
20:49.19rahulNyle: so what's wrong with xephyr?
20:49.22NyleI was thinking something like synergy or x2x maybe to link the two Xservers for keyboard/mouse
20:49.32stewdvb: why are you recompiling alsa?
20:49.38Nylerahul, its in a window
20:49.38rahulheh
20:49.43Nylerahul, even with -fullscren its meh
20:49.47rahulNyle: tell your WM not to be
20:49.53rahulnot to put it in one, that is
20:50.07Nylehow do you mean?
20:50.30rahulNyle: I dunno. I tell my WM to give windows that match certain properties different border styles
20:50.41rahuland placement and other properties
20:50.43Nylerahul, oh, thats not a problem
20:50.54rahulNyle: then why did you complain about it? :P
20:50.59Nylerahul, you can run it with -fullscreen
20:51.02twobitworkgah... this live-helper thing is driving me crazy... I did lh_config then lh_build and I don't get an iso...
20:51.05rahulNyle: ok...
20:51.05Nylerahul, and alt+tab to your other kde apps
20:51.08twobitworkit should be that easy, right?
20:51.13Nylerahul, but I want to use my 2nd monitor
20:51.15Nylethats the thing
20:51.20guilhermpwhat's the QT tool for theme changing?
20:51.23rahulNyle: so put it on the second monitor
20:51.27Nylelol
20:51.33NyleI swear to god
20:51.44guilhermpwithout needing of kde
20:51.47rahulset the position to be on the second monitor...
20:51.49Nylerahul, yes thank you :)
20:51.59Nylegandoo
20:52.03rahulunda
20:52.07Nylelol!
20:52.09twobitworkarooga?
20:52.31rahulNyle: what are you having difficulty with?
20:52.32enouf~$  grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage "install ok installed"
20:52.34Nyleguilhermp, to change qt apps thing
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20:52.40Nyleqt3config maybe?
20:52.46Nylerahul, you.
20:53.04Nyleoooh burn.  No seriously,I just wanted to use my 2nd monitor for xdmcp and not local
20:53.42rahulNyle: well, you don't want to have the mouse separate or shared... I dunno
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20:54.13Nylewait
20:54.28Nylecan you tell xdmcp somehow to connect to a screen inside a display?
20:54.31enoufi still can't tell exactly the difference, but it appears hark 's "~$ aptitude search ~Ounoff~i" is showing me an ffmpeg (for ex) that is installed, yet came from Debian repos, but a newer 'Candidate' (apt-cache policy) is available from -multimedia
20:54.34rahulif it's in a xephyr window on the second monitor...
20:54.36rahulNyle: no
20:54.39Nyledamit
20:54.42rahulNyle: screens don't work like that
20:54.48Nylewell... they should.
20:54.52Nyleheh
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20:55.01rahulNyle: no... if you want separate displays, you need separate displays
20:55.26rahulNyle: you can't have two window managers in one display. that's kind of the definition of the grouping of screens into displays
20:55.40NyleI want one display with two screens, screen1 local desktop, screen2 remote desktop, screen1 == monitor 1, screen2 == monitor 2
20:55.42rahulNyle: however, xephyr lets you have a window that contains a display
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20:55.50Nyleand with keyboard/mouse somehow
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20:56.05rahulNyle: just use one display and one screen for both montiors... xinerama
20:56.06abrotmanso start another X session against the remote system
20:56.21abrotmanuse ctrl-alt-f7/f8 to switch ?
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20:56.30Nyleabrotman, thats my current config
20:56.42abrotmanbah .. i'm not helping with buntus
20:56.52Nylethis is on my debian machine...
20:56.55rahulNyle: or you can have xephyr run on :0.1 if you want two screens... kwm might be able to cope with fullscreen in that case better
20:57.08cuscohow do I make wget use a target network interface?
20:57.23enoufi hate it when i get things 'almost' right .. dammit
20:57.47rahulcusco:        --bind-address=ADDRESS
20:57.58Nyleyou know what
20:58.22Nylefuck it.
20:58.57Nyleok how about this though
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20:58.58cuscok let me try that rahul cheers
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20:59.39NyleI have X:0 local desktop, and X:1 remote desktop, how do I make a shared clipboard/buffer or whatever between the two
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20:59.45Nyleany software you guys know about
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21:00.49rahulNyle: synergy
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21:01.10Nylereally?
21:01.22rahulreally...
21:02.15NyleI thought it was for trying to control remote input HW
21:02.15Fabio_Comois anyone able to let ssmtp to work with a Gmail relay? I continue to get from Gmail: PERM_FAILURE: Message rejected
21:02.15Nylemouse/keyboard
21:02.15Nylethat AND it has a shared clipboard functio
21:02.15rahulyes
21:02.15Nylebut is there one that just shared the clipboard/buffer without having to mess with hw
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21:03.25rahulbut you want to share the input devices anyway...
21:03.32NyleI do?
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21:03.53rahulthat's your whole gripe about the current setup!
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21:03.55harkenouf: i thought of searching via the maintainer field, but marillat has debian packages as well. So, just based it off the origin
21:04.01Nyleno
21:04.02dvbstew: (back n forth) I recompiled as a last resort, notheing else has worked either, so why not try it...
21:04.03Nyleit isnt!
21:04.18rahuldamn it
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21:04.26rahulyou keep trying to confuse me!
21:04.34Nyleyou're still wasted from last night
21:04.41Nyledrink some more vitamin water
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21:05.07rahul16:47 < Nyle> rahul, well right now I'm having to chvt or alt+f8 to go to my X on :1 to use laptop
21:05.12stewdvb: it seems unlikely that replacing alsa 0.16 with alsa 0.16 is going to help.  can you be more specific about the problem you are trying to solve?
21:05.17badaris it possible to create a user without password?
21:05.30badarI tried useradd but when I tried to login, it still asked me for password
21:05.36Nylerahul, yeah, I'd much rather use two monitors, 1 display, 2 seperate screens
21:05.43Nylebut you said thats not possible
21:06.03rahulNyle: it's possible
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21:06.05stewbadar: you can make gdm autologin as user, if that helps
21:06.06rahulI told you how to do it
21:06.12NyleXephyr again
21:06.20rahulNyle: yes, xephyr on :0.1
21:06.30Nyleunhuh
21:06.32rahulfull screen
21:06.33NyleI missed that bit
21:06.33badarstew no, not really the thing I'm trying
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21:06.53rahul16:56 < rahul> Nyle: or you can have xephyr run on :0.1 if you want two screens... kwm might be able to cope with fullscreen in that case better
21:07.02stewbadar: you can login using ssh with an ssh-key that doesn't require a password
21:07.06Nylerahul, ahhh ok
21:07.13badarThere's /etc/init.d script I have, but somehow, it doesn't have password string for a user. So only user, and I think this is the reason why I fail to start up the scripts, says permission failed
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21:07.15NyleI didn't see that line
21:07.16rahulyou've been eating too many undas
21:07.24rahuldrink some vitamin water :P
21:07.30jelly-homeheh
21:07.55enoufhark: heh, i'm all twisted, i have a version of ffmpeg 0.cvs20070307-6 here installed now (but it's not labeled ffmpeg-free); and at p.d.o, i see in the changelogs; ffmpeg-free (0.cvs20070307-6) unstable; urgency=low <-- so that's where my installed version came from, IINM , and the aptitude command showed ffmpeg as one of the pkgs, but the grep-status didn't and listed some/most matches and some others
21:08.01stewbadar: what? an /etc/init.d script shouldn't need a user password.  where do you see "permission failed"  when running some command?
21:08.01Nylerahul, you are unda
21:08.05Nyle:(
21:08.08rahulheh
21:08.09stewbadar: when do you want this script to be run?
21:08.18rahulI only unda for gandoos
21:08.21badarat startup
21:08.22dvbstew: You may have a point! ;) I don't know enough where to start searching now... I lost perspectives.
21:08.25badarbut I can't even run it now
21:08.31stewbadar: why can't you run it?
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21:08.40badarsecond
21:08.49stewbadar: what user do you want this command to run as?
21:08.57badarnot root
21:09.17stewbadar: i'd recommend putting it in the user's crontab that you want to run the script
21:09.34Fabio_Comois anyone able to make "ssmpt" to work with gmail and a "google for appliance" email account? i'm having troubles...
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21:09.34stewbadar: man 5 crontab ; man 1 crontab
21:10.06badarbut I don't have the /etc/init.d script yet, it's not working. I can run my program only with command like # hulahula
21:10.26enoufhark: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1048671 <-- aptitude   http://pastebin.ca/raw/1048672 <--grep-status
21:10.34ec_[#debian]
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21:11.11dvbStew: Is there a way where I can remove like every sound driver and start anew, clean? I noted that I may have installed emu10k1-gp; I didn't intend to install the "gp" version... sigh
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21:13.00enoufhark: and where/how do you obtain origin? .. i mean; i see the reference to "unofficial" in there (the ~Ounoff), but where is that found? not the debian/control file eh?
21:13.09abs512Hi, I recently moved to deb, sometimes debian, sometimes ubuntu. I build small servers (proxy, samba, ftp, etc) and absolutely LOVE it! I have a question though - why have I been told that debian is for lazy people?
21:13.26stewabs512: you should ask the people that told you
21:13.38stewdvb: aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)
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21:14.32stewdvb: if you want you can do something like "find /lib/modules -name "snd*ko" | xargs rm" first
21:14.38stewdvb: err no
21:14.42ec_abs512: are these people advocating slackware instead or something?
21:14.46stewdvb: if you want you can do something like "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name "snd*ko" | xargs rm" first
21:14.47Nyleabs512, most debian users are probably lazy but that isn't to say debian is for lazy people.
21:14.51abs512Already thought of that - they told me "just look @ the distro"
21:15.08Nyleabs512, if you consider gentoo to be not lazy then have at it
21:15.24dondelelcaroabs512: of course it's for lazy people. Everyone has better things to be doing than to waste time screwing around with their distribution
21:15.37abrotmanand/or compiling stuff .. just because
21:15.46dvbstew: I'm reinstalling the kernel now. thanks
21:16.04wedgeI would never use gentoo for anything ever again
21:16.11dondelelcaroabs512: Laziness is a virtue, not a vice. You want to do the most with the 24 hours a day that you have available. Wasting time dealing with problems that other people have already solved is a waste of the most precious resource you have: your time.
21:16.15Fabio_Comois anyone able to make "ssmpt" to work with gmail and a "google for appliance" email account? i'm having troubles...
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21:16.39Nylethats the beauty of debian, if you NEED to build from source, you can, cuztomize and compile how you want, and if that is not what you want, build from upstream source w/e
21:16.45abs512they use centos/rh ( which makes me wanna run naked on the street crying PLEASE make the pain stop) and scriptgoo
21:16.51Nyleand as the wise people say, time is money
21:17.05cekz|workis there a tool in base that can communicate threw a COM port? the same kind of way as minicom/screen ?
21:17.06jelly-homeNyle: what's "w/e"?
21:17.17Nylejelly-home, shorthand for 'whatever'
21:17.24enoufEinstein: why store in my head that which can easily be looked up in a reference (talking about obscure equations and logarithmic tables and such)
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21:17.31Nyleits confusing to say 'we' so I throw a / in there
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21:17.44Nyleagain, going back to laziness
21:17.45jelly-homewhatever!
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21:17.54wald0how i can boot a msdos image file from my menu.lst of grub ?
21:18.02Nylejelly-home, too many keystrokes!
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21:18.07jelly-homewhatever!
21:18.10Nylelol
21:18.11wiebelhi there is there anythink known to be broken about Iceweasel 3rc2? The beta4 was really great, but rc2 crashes pretty often, have i missed anything?
21:18.12Nylehahaha
21:18.18harkenouf: run apt-cache policy
21:18.34Visagalishi, anyone know how to solve this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg530248.html ?
21:18.35enoufhark: i did, on ffmpeg?
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21:18.41Nylewait till tomorrow
21:18.48harkenouf: by itself
21:18.50jelly-homewiebel: the "experimental" tag?
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21:19.08Nyleyou'll get ff3 final, and hopefully it will get packaged soon enough
21:19.15Nylemeaning, iceweasel 3 final
21:19.22Nylebut not tomorrow though obviously
21:19.25enoufhark: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1048673
21:19.25wiebeljelly-home,  unlike the beta4 ?!?
21:19.25Visagalishi, anyone know how to solve this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg530248.html ?
21:19.30Nyleer.. next week
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21:19.44jelly-homewiebel: I guess :-)
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21:19.51rohanubuntu and debian popcon are separate? ubuntu popcon doesn't contribute/report to debian anymore?
21:19.57enoufhark: haha, you win .. i see it now ;-)
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21:20.00enoufo=Unofficial Multimedia Package
21:20.02enoufthanks
21:20.25Visagalishi, anyone know how to solve this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg530248.html ?
21:20.28stewrohan: ask #ubuntu
21:20.34stewVisagalis: what version of debian are you running?
21:20.40SethX_anybody using duplicity for backups?
21:20.57rohanstew: i've asked, i thought someone here might know too.
21:21.04SethX_i cant seem to get this thing to run
21:21.15stewVisagalis: in general, if we knew a fix, we would post it to the bug report though
21:21.15SethX_it just sits and hangs, even at maximum verbosity
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21:21.30cognitiaclaeves1I have DHCP issues in this working environment.  I've managed to install Etch using expert mode by skipping network configuration, but I'm not sure how to now apply security updates.  I've uncommented the security.debian.org sources in sources.list and issued an apt-get update, but it doesn't seem to apply anything.  Did I miss anything?
21:21.33harkenouf: you don't upgrade frequently?
21:21.35stewrohan: check the source code
21:21.48enoufhark: not too often - very selectively
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21:22.01SethX_or, perhaps, can anybody reccomend me a proper backup system to an untrusted ftp server?
21:22.02rohanstew: i was just going to do that if i didn't get any anser :)
21:22.03cognitiaclaeves1I neglected to mention that I was able to get an IP address with dhclient prior to running apt-get update...
21:22.22enoufhark: but, it's about time now for my 'once a year, 1000+ pkg upgrade' again :-p
21:22.23wald0nobody knows how to boot a image floppy from grub ?
21:22.32abrotmancognitiaclaeves1: when using expert mode .. did you use a CD source or just http ?
21:22.47cognitiaclaeves1I used a CD source, abrotman.
21:22.49stewcognitiaclaeves1: if you have security.debian.org in your sources.list and you run "apt-get update" then "apt-get upgrade" should upgrade any pacakges that have new security updates (which could very well be none)  if it reports packages being kept back: /msg dpkg kept back
21:22.53harkenouf: heh, that's why the results are different for both commands
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21:23.22cognitiaclaeves1stew: what does upgrade do?  I want to stay in Etch...
21:23.26enoufhark: hehe .. right, and i think the last time i used aptitude was about 2 years ago ..:-/
21:23.27abrotmanman aptitude
21:23.28abs512cognitiaclaeves1 try aptitude update - sometimes that does the trick...
21:23.34harkenouf: using the origin will depend on the current status only afaik
21:23.36guilhermpwhat's the tool name for the qt theme change utility?
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21:24.00stewcognitiaclaeves1: upgrade upgrades any installed packages to their newest available version for any packages which can be upgraded without requiring new packages to be installed or packages to be removed
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21:24.20abs512cognitiaclaeves1 update updates the sources upgrade installs the updates
21:24.34stewcognitiaclaeves1: the 'update' that you have run updates the list of available versions
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21:25.21enoufhark: i see, ok ,. thank you .. do you know where origin comes from? i mean where is apt-cache policy parsing that info from, must be somewhere in each .deb, no? Oh, does it come from the actual mirrors themselves? ftpmasters and such?
21:25.38cognitiaclaeves1Ok, thanks: stew, abs512.
21:25.52Nyleguilhermp, I told you that a while ago
21:25.59Nyle!tell guilhermp -about search
21:26.02Nyleqt3-qtconfig - The Qt3 Configuration Application
21:26.02Nyleqt4-qtconfig - Qt 4 configuration tool
21:26.10SethX_uhm, anybody? how to incrementally back up to a ftp server? any reccomendations?
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21:27.51twobitworkSethX_: have you tried googling for "linux ftp backup"?
21:28.12SethX_yes, and i've tried a few things already
21:28.31SethX_i'd just like somebody to reccomend me something out of personal experience
21:28.41SethX_and not having a cold hearted google server telling me what to use
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21:30.06abs512for a server or desktop?
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21:31.25abs512SethX, for a server or desktop?
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21:33.19condectorHi
21:33.26SethX_server
21:33.36condectoranyone have problems with pidgin and msn network at this moment?
21:34.03abs512SethX - use bacula and issue a cron-job
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21:34.15luxhcondector: yep
21:34.19enoufhark: finally, if expecting aptitude to be up to date about what's what after not having used it for so long, and it goes right to the heart of answering my original questions about the output discrepancies (aptitude | grep-status), then i apologize... i really really hate it when two seemingly correct results are similar, but not the same, and i was trying to ascertain as to exactly why
21:34.32craigevilcondector: yes it wont stay connected to msn
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21:37.27craigevilcondector: The MSN servers are temporarily unavailable. Please wait and try again.
21:37.49condectorcraigevil, same problem here
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21:38.06aphexersame here
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21:38.44aphexerthey haven't heard of failover systems yet i think
21:38.50aphexerneither of high availability
21:38.54condectorcraigevil, same problem here
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21:39.46adama!msn
21:39.46dpkgfrom memory, msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service
21:40.28SedrikHi.  I'm trying to debug a problem with my Etch servers running Apache2.2.  I have several core dumps from Apache, but gdb doesn't seem to find any symbols when I load them up.  I see there's an apache 1.x dbg package, but I don't see anything similar for 2.2.  Any help on what to do?
21:43.39harkenouf: right, it's probably taken from the Release file and apt uses that
21:46.10enoufhark: ah gotcha, thanks again
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21:53.24g00seWhy does mysql depend on exim4?
21:53.36g00se(mysql-server)
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21:53.53enoufwait, wtf? i thought fgrep would solve this; how do i grep for origin and not match original? do i really need to | grep -v 'origina' ?  i'm doing-> $ fgrep -r 'origin' . | grep -v 'origina'  lmao
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21:55.05abrotmanenouf: you thought wrong!
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21:55.29themillg00se: it doesn't. mysql-server-5.1 *recommends* mailx which depends on *any* MTA in debian, exim4 being the default choice.
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21:55.37\amethystg00se:  it recommends mailx (a command-line mail client), presumable for sending mail to the admin
21:55.47enoufg00se: maybe you can install ssmtp to resolve any mail depends
21:55.52\amethystg00se:  mailx depends on exim4 | mail-transfer-agent  to send mail
21:56.21enoufabrotman: thank you for solving it :-P
21:56.34\amethystenouf:  is there any big difference between nullmailer and ssmtp?
21:56.50enouf\amethyst: yeah, i suck ... my bad
21:56.58\amethystenouf:  they seem to do the same thing
21:56.58g00seenouf: how about egrep 'origin\b' lmao
21:56.59enoufi don't know
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21:57.49g00sethemill: Thanks
21:58.06g00seenouf: I'll look at that thanks
21:58.07themillg00se: no worries. apt-cache depends (or packages.debian.org) is your friend
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21:58.20enoufCan't he just tell aptitude to NOT install Recommends via default
21:58.23themillg00se: You can just install it without recommends
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21:58.46themillg00se: But you probably want an MTA anyway for delivering mail from daemons, cron jobs etc
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21:59.34enoufg00se: even simple things like cron and at require an mta
21:59.54g00sethemill: not really. It's just a dev box
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22:01.02enouf\amethyst: i didn't know about nullmailer, seems like the best option, and .. i originally thought you were correcting me, not asking me a question about the two :-P
22:01.04g00seenouf: sure about cron? I've got it, but no mta
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22:02.05htmlolor you could just use apt-get instead of aptitude
22:02.13enouflooks like a Recommends there g00se
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22:02.21themillhtmlol: not if you're using lenny or sid.
22:02.28g00seAll i've got on this box is sendEmail ;-)
22:02.33htmlolI'm using sid, themill.
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22:04.26themillhtmlol: then you'd know that for the last 9 months, apt-get also installs recommended packages by default.
22:05.23htmlol*double takes* hogwash.
22:05.31htmlolreally!?
22:06.24themillhtmlol: you should try reading debian-devel-announce. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/08/msg00000.html
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22:06.57enoufright , newer Apt are setup w/install Recommends as default, but a quick line added to /etc/apt/conf.d/98-recommends with the entry "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" solves that issue ;-)
22:07.19infinitycircuitits actually /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/whatever
22:07.55enoufindeed, got my 20listchanges   70debconf       98-recommends   99-localepurge  all in a row ;-)
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22:10.12nseHello everybody. I would like to know if after installing libxml-rss-perl Apache2 will be ready do execute perl scripts which loads the rss module.
22:10.21enoufthemill: interesting and useful info, thanks
22:10.27htmlolthemill: erm yeah sorry, kinda made myself off to be a dick there
22:10.37themillhtmlol: no worries ;)
22:10.55htmlolsee, I have apt.conf configured to override it, and I did it so long ago I must have forgotten :D
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22:13.29MitsuoDeshoDeshohow to i install nvidia drivers?
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22:14.25simonrvn/msg dpkg nividia one-liner
22:14.28nseok that one was easy. Done
22:14.32simonrvnnvidia*
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22:15.43MitsuoDeshoDesho=\
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22:19.23simonrvnMitsuoDeshoDesho: note i corrected it
22:19.30raboofmy iceweasel freezes every time i open a site with a flash element that tries to output sound. can I disable sound or otherwise prevent it from freezing?
22:20.06deli2323Is this the spot to ask questions, or is there a debian-support channel?
22:20.14simonrvnit should be already, but seems it actual isn't. you can do this:
22:20.20infinitycircuitraboof, you can configure your sound card to be /dev/null
22:20.34infinitycircuitdeli2323, this is where to ask questions.  do you have one?
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22:20.57simonrvnraboof: ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" in ~/.mozilla/iceweaselrc
22:21.42raboofsimonrvn: hm, sounds good, sure about the filename though? the manpage talks about  ${HOME}/.mozilla/firefox/rc
22:21.44deli2323infinitycircuit: Yes, I do.  Thank you.
22:21.53deli2323My question is that sudo has quit working on my machine.
22:22.08infinitycircuitdeli2323, do you get an error about "last write time in future"
22:22.10deli2323I think it's sarge, but I don't have access to the physical machine.
22:22.15simonrvnraboof: yeh. but putting it in what you have won't hurt either
22:22.41deli2323infinitycircuit:  No I get no error.  The machine hangs and I have close it in windows and relaunch putty.
22:22.50deli2323I am interaciting with my debian box through putty.
22:22.56deli2323sudo quit working.
22:23.02deli2323I don't know how to start debugging it.
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22:23.30infinitycircuitdeli2323, i would try removing /var/run/sudo/$USER
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22:24.09guilhermphow do I install gimp without those gnome dependencies??
22:24.09infinitycircuitif you don't have a root account enabled though you will need physical access to the machine to do that
22:24.18infinitycircuitguilhermp, aptitude install --without-recommends gimp
22:24.26guilhermpthank you!
22:24.47deli2323infinitycircuit:  I do have root.
22:24.50raboofsimonrvn: hm, still freezes though. could it be Flash doesn't honour the FF setting?
22:25.09infinitycircuitdeli2323, you are in luck then...just log in and do su root -c "rm -rf /var/run/sudo/*"
22:25.40simonrvnraboof: did you restart the browser?
22:25.44raboofjep
22:25.47deli2323infinitycircuit: Is that safe?
22:25.50guilhermpinfinitycircuit: it will remove 188 packages
22:25.54simonrvnweird
22:26.07g00seenouf: back to the install depends issue: i use aptitude at the command line. man aptitude shows some weirdish characters for the options. Wondering if my page is borked due to locale or something. What does yours give?
22:26.10deli2323It's an empty file, so it shouldn't be a big irreversible deal if it's wrong.
22:26.14simonrvnraboof: what's it say in the one in /etc/ ?
22:26.20deli2323I always hesitate before rming anything.
22:26.28infinitycircuitdeli2323, yes, you will just see the "1...2...3..." warning thing again next time you sudo
22:26.29craigevilraboof: what version of flash? might try the newest gnash it works on youtube
22:26.40simonrvn/etc/iceweasel/
22:26.41infinitycircuitraboof, http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager02.html is the flash settings manager
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22:26.50guilhermpthey don't seem to be useful for me but will it really remove them?
22:26.55raboofhm, i straced it, and it looks like it still does a 'open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY)' right before the freeze
22:27.06infinitycircuitguilhermp, really? that's odd...try apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends "0" gimp
22:27.27simonrvn!kill iceweasel
22:27.27dpkgsubjects iceweasel to excruciating pain with a whip
22:28.40htmlol!kill his mother
22:28.40dpkgtears a hole in his mother's head with a free AOL CD
22:28.46enoufg00se: pretty sure there is/was a known bug about that - see BTS
22:28.47htmloloh God that's not nice.
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22:28.57htmloldpkg you sick beast.
22:28.57dpkgI resemble that remark!
22:29.06infinitycircuithahaha
22:29.09raboofinfinitycircuit: interesting - doesn't seem to have a setting for which sound output to use though
22:29.22htmlolwhat!? it's alive!?
22:29.23guilhermpnow it just says that those packages are no longuer required but also says that extra packages will be installed (which includes gnome-*)
22:29.28rahsputingood evening. When i for example lay back and watch a movie, after a while ( around 10 minutes ) my screen goes black and as soon as i move the mouse or press a button, it goes on again :€    how can i adjust this issue?
22:29.32guilhermplonger*
22:29.46g00seenouf: Right. Is yours borked?
22:29.53deli2323infinitycircuit: still it stalls.
22:30.03simonrvnrahsputin: turn off the screensaver while you're watching movies
22:30.05enoufg00se: mine's old
22:30.06raboofsimonrvn: /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc also sais 'none'
22:30.14simonrvnfeck
22:30.16deli2323My name is out of the directory, /var/run/sudo, but the behavior is still the same.
22:30.28g00seenouf: older than etch?
22:30.31infinitycircuitdeli2323, that's odd...i guess you could try reinstall it with dpkg.  removing /var/run/sudo/* always fixed problems for me
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22:30.38simonrvnraboof: do what infinitycircuit said
22:30.41\amethystrahsputin: in addition to the screensaver, gnome-power-preferences has a setting to DPMS-blank the screen after a given amount of time
22:30.42raboofcraigevil: Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115
22:30.51deli2323infinitycircuit: Do I have to re-add my name to a sudoers file or reboot the machine?
22:31.04simonrvn!reboot
22:31.04dpkgYou want to reboot for WHAT??  If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot.  Ask me about <qotd2>.
22:31.09raboofsimonrvn: what, the settings manager?
22:31.11enoufg00se: er .. i guess it is borked - never looked :-P  -->  <package>\fB+\fR
22:31.27simonrvnraboof: er, using gnash
22:31.28\amethystrahsputin:  I think gnome-screensaver preferences has a "power management" butten to take you to the power prefs
22:31.29infinitycircuitdeli2323, if you reinstall with -P then yes you will have to re-add your name, but no reboot will be needed
22:31.30rahsputin\amethyst, i only have fluxbox and xdm
22:31.40raboofsimonrvn: giving it a whirl...
22:31.50guilhermpah, infinitycircuit, those programs it would remove were programs that because I removed gnome were no more necessary
22:31.53g00seenouf: right thanks
22:31.56themillg00se, enouf: /msg dpkg man aptitude fix
22:31.59\amethystrahsputin:  maybe   xset -dpms  then
22:32.01guilhermpthe first command is ok now, I think
22:32.17deli2323infinitycircuit: dpkg -i sudo?
22:32.24deli2323dpkg -iP sudo?
22:32.25dpkgdeli2323: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
22:32.29infinitycircuitdeli2323, apt-get install -d sudo
22:32.45infinitycircuitdeli2323, sorry my fingers typed without me
22:32.48simonrvn-iP o_O ?
22:32.51enoufg00se: ii  aptitude              0.4.4-4               terminal-based apt frontend   <-- how old is that?
22:32.57g00sethemill: great thanks
22:32.58enoufthemill: thanks
22:33.04infinitycircuitdeli2323, apt-get remove --purge sudo && apt-get install sudo
22:33.08rahsputinThanx all ;)
22:33.24infinitycircuitenouf, 0.4.11.4-1 is newest in sid
22:33.30MitsuoDeshoDeshoi get "/etc/X11/X is not executable" error, what are my steps?
22:33.32infinitycircuit0.4.4-4 is etch
22:33.57deli2323infinitycircuit: This is fun.
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22:34.14simonrvnMitsuoDeshoDesho: installing it would help. aptitude install xorg
22:34.33enoufok, sure, i must've upgraded everything early last year - still haven't used it
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22:37.30energyHello
22:37.42energyWho is the leader for the group debian on freenode?
22:38.14dondelelcaroenergy: what's your question?
22:38.22themillg00se, enouf: that exact command doesn't quite work, but the one in the bug log does (I'll update dpkg accordingly)
22:38.29energyIt is mean to steal my nick!
22:38.39themilldondelelcaro: "take me to your leader"
22:38.40dondelelcaroenergy: huh?
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22:39.05energyI registered the nick "debian"
22:39.09enoufthemill: i thought so - just looked at it ...
22:39.17azeemenergy: that's too generic
22:39.20energyThe group leader of debian, took it from me
22:39.29energyazeem: I had it registered
22:39.33azeemso?
22:39.43azeemit's like domainsquatting
22:39.47g00sethemill: me too. I think there's at least a space missing in that Perl command
22:39.54energyI want to speak to the goup manager
22:40.03azeemenergy: mail them
22:40.06azeemthis is off-topic here
22:40.10energyok
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22:40.23\amethystenergy:  It sounds like you want a freenode admin, not a channel admin
22:40.34energyNot channel
22:40.38energyGroup admin
22:40.40enoufenergy: erm, is someone ghosting you?
22:40.48energyNo
22:40.53MitsuoDeshoDeshosimonrvn, first of all, i have no idea how xorg got uninstalled, however it seems it got, and it cant install cause it requests nvidia-glx to be uninstalled, which gives some errors on uninstalling(libGL bot found, etc)
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22:41.24energYThey dropped it and protected it
22:41.33simonrvnMitsuoDeshoDesho: ok, so uninstall the nvidia stuff for now, then install x.
22:42.13simonrvnthen you can install the nvidia stuff, and be careful opf what gets removed next time(s) ;)
22:43.05deli2323infinitycircuit: strange and disappointing.
22:43.10simonrvnenergY: issues about nicks should be a) asked in #freenode b) are handled by the IRC network's staff, we can't do anything about that in here
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22:43.23deli2323I go to the trouble of purging and re-installing sudo and still, it does not work.
22:43.41deli2323No error.  Just a blank stillness, unresponsive to any kbd interrupts.
22:43.52energYsimonrvn: All I wanted was the group leader, but if you don't know thats ok
22:44.05simonrvnsighs
22:44.15azeemI think joerg@debian.org is the group leader
22:44.20deli2323Is there a way to see who is in the sudoers file?
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22:44.33themillenergY: and as I understand it you've already been told in #freenode that the nick was unacceptable and that you shouldn't have registered it to begin with.
22:44.53energYthemill: But a staffer dropped it for me
22:44.59energYOne of the nice ones
22:44.59enoufwait, channel owner? or DPL? or freenode staff?
22:45.19simonrvnand you were very likely told why....
22:45.25energYyes
22:45.25azeemenouf: please drop it
22:45.28themillenergY: this discussion is off-topic for #debian. Please move on.
22:45.34energYok
22:45.42energYI just replyed to simonrvn...
22:45.51azeemenergY: so don't
22:45.56enoufhow about everyone preach what they speak
22:46.15deli2323Does anyone know of a good python channel?
22:46.19simonrvndoesn't need the merry-go-round shit right now....
22:46.22deli2323You have to register for #python and I don't want to.
22:46.26enoufer.. O_O  .. i said that wrong ;-)
22:46.27simonrvndeli2323: #python ?
22:46.28ay^deli2323: #python ? :)
22:46.35deli2323Nope.
22:46.35\amethystdeli2323:  why don't you want to register?
22:46.37deli2323Don't want to register.
22:46.39deli2323Don't want to.
22:46.40markybobshakes his head
22:46.48azeemdeli2323: so find one yourself, this is off-topic here
22:46.50\amethystdeli2323:  then maybe try #python on some other network
22:46.51ay^deli2323: erh.. okey
22:47.55MitsuoDeshoDeshosimonrvn: i fail to purge nvidia-glx
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22:50.15simonrvnMitsuoDeshoDesho: you'll need to be more descriptive than that
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22:52.17MitsuoDeshoDeshosimonrvn: well, i lurked through the aptitude, and found out that nvidia-kernel-source dependency was not satisfied.. i am installing it right now
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22:52.50simonrvninstall module-assistant too, while you're at it, so you can take care of that
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22:55.11energYI was previously know as "debian", so you know who I am.
22:55.23guilhermphow do I remove the ugly 75 and 100dpi fonts?
22:55.42guilhermpso I remain with opentype fonts only
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22:55.46rdzhi all. i am trying to build mplayer as a debian package. because i am compiling mplayer with libamr support, i get the error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libamrnb.so.3 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer).
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22:56.01MitsuoDeshoDeshosimonrvn: i have installed module-assistant, also, nvidia-glx seems to have all the dependencies satisfied
22:56.02rdzhow can i provide the necessary dependency informatino?
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22:56.09azeemrdz: package it
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22:56.24rdzazeem, is there a way to just ignore it?
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22:56.31rdzazeem, i am doing it for myself
22:56.36rdznot for distribution
22:56.51azeemrdz: don't build a package then
22:57.09azeemor check the -x switch for dh_shlibeps or so
22:57.11stewrdz: iirc debian-multimedia provides a libamr or a libamrnb package
22:57.12rdzazeem, but i need to, because i would like to install some other stuff, that is dependent on mplayer
22:57.15azeemif there is any
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22:57.22rdzazeem, thanks
22:58.03rdzazeem, i'll have a look. how is usually the script called, that creates the package?
22:58.28azeemman dh_shlibdeps
22:58.51azeemit's the -X switch, actually
22:59.00rdzazeem, i mean the script, that executes dh_shlipsdeps
22:59.20azeemrdz: maybe you should rather consider stew's advice
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22:59.38rdzazeem, yo... thanks
23:01.26rdzcool, i found them..
23:01.33rdzstew, azeem thanks a lot , guys
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23:03.36raboofegh, gnash crashes my firefox just as well
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23:04.17raboofand mpg123 can play sound fine
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23:05.18simonrvndamn
23:05.25simonrvntry with firefox
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23:06.15raboofhuh?
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23:06.37drugbalancehi
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23:06.51emmaWhich kde does debian come with by default or does it not work that way?
23:06.52sladihi
23:06.55emmaoh oops
23:07.05emmawhich DE does Debian come with by default or does it not work that way?
23:07.13rahulemma: it comes with all of them
23:07.19emmaOh really?
23:07.23rahulinstall what you want. run what you want.
23:07.26emmaYou choose it at install?
23:07.30themillemma: but if you just ask for "desktop" you get gnome.
23:07.30rahulor later
23:07.33emmaThat's pretty nice, I must say.
23:07.46themillemma: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome ; etc
23:07.54rahulyou can install as many as you want or none
23:07.58rahulyou can run as many as you want or none
23:08.03infinitycircuitis the intel driver in sid broken for dri?
23:08.14rahulinfinitycircuit: checked the bts?
23:08.20emmaWhat does Debian mean?
23:08.27drugbalanceI can't understand is it a right string for apt-get source.list file 'deb http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian unstable main' ?
23:08.29raboofoh, scratch that, there was still a macromedia flash lib floating around
23:08.40raboofgnash just doesn't work, but without crashing FF
23:08.45rahulemma: "debbie" + "ian"... debbie is the wife of ian, the founder of the project
23:08.51raboofi suppose that's an improvement :)
23:08.51drugbalanceI mean I wanna get all the packets awailable for armel archetecture
23:08.57emmaAhh hehe well that's charming.
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23:09.13emmais ian still around?
23:09.14azeemdrugbalance: armel is on ftp.debian.org now
23:09.22azeemdrugbalance: no longer on debian-ports
23:09.35rahulemma: no. he's working for msft or something equally ironic
23:09.41emmaoof.
23:09.50emmawho's the leadership of debian now?
23:09.52azeemhe's working for Sun
23:09.57amphisun, wasn't it?
23:10.02emmahey amphi
23:10.03drugbalanceoh cool I'll try it
23:10.03rahulah, even worse ;)
23:10.12amphievenin' emma
23:10.17amphirahul: heh
23:10.28infinitycircuiti thought ian was doing opensolaris
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23:10.52rahulemma: ian hasn't been in charge for a while. there is a DPL (debian proj leader) elected by the official developers.
23:11.13emmaI see.
23:11.19rahulit's a democracy among a self-selected population :)
23:11.51raboofhttp://www.debian.org/devel/leader
23:11.52emmaSure. How do people become official debian developers? Is there a nominating process?
23:12.09infinitycircuithttp://debian.org/doc/developers-reference
23:12.13azeememma: please try to do some research before asking
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23:12.19simonrvnraboof: the code is a bit different, since debian's iceweasel is patched with debian patches.. also, i'd try to se if there's any (recent) bugs filed about this
23:12.23emmaazeem - sure :)
23:12.33simonrvnmind the typos...
23:12.39emmaOr maybe this is better for #debian-offtopic
23:12.45rahultrips over smonrvn
23:13.41Nyletoken
23:13.47drugbalanceI'v got an error 'couldn't stat source packages list - no such file or directory'
23:13.48simonrvnhey guys
23:13.51Nylehey simonrvn
23:13.54drugbalancewhere from can I get it ?
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23:14.42Nyledrugbalance, bad mirror?
23:14.49Nylewhat  are you using?
23:14.59Nylepastebin your sources.list
23:15.21drugbalancelinux nokia-n800-39
23:15.30drugbalance2.6.18
23:16.01drugbalance<PROTECTED>
23:16.04drugbalancethats all :)
23:16.18drugbalancethere is only one string there
23:16.41rahulhttp://http might work better
23:16.54azeemI don't think so
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23:17.01rahulin fact, http://http.us (or whatever other country, would be best)
23:17.03azeembut using a decent mirror might
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23:17.11Nyle!mirrors
23:17.12dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
23:17.15infinitycircuitdrugbalance, do you have internet?
23:17.21Nyleinfinitycircuit, hhahaa
23:17.23Nyle:)
23:17.25rahulheh
23:17.49infinitycircuitif he connects through a proxy it's entirely possible that irc would work but apt might not be set up for it
23:17.52rahulhe's clearly on through an unternet
23:17.59azeemdrugbalance: what command are you running when you get the above error?
23:18.15drugbalanceI'm connection through the bridge and nat but it should work well
23:18.34drugbalanceapt-get update
23:18.52sladiwhen I search for the mirrors list I couldn't find it the first time no matter what ^^
23:19.05stewdrugbalance: you should not use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror.  in which country is this machine located?
23:19.12stewsladi: /msg dpkg mirrors
23:19.18drugbalancerussia
23:19.25pukekohiya - setting up a sparcstation 5 .. but getting this : Package php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package .. could someone explain that to me ?
23:19.29Nyleftp.ru.debian.org?
23:19.49rahulboom!
23:19.51sladistew: thanks! a couple of days ago I searched again and actually found it. :)
23:19.54azeempukeko: which version of debian?
23:20.04rahulyikes, that lighning was close
23:20.07stewdrugbalance: yes, use ftp.ru.debian.org
23:20.15drugbalanceone sec I'll try it
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23:20.47sobersabrehi guys. is there a channgel on freenode that discusses gadgets etc ?
23:20.48pukekoazeem: 2.4.27-2 etch i think
23:20.59wols_pukeko: you run sarge
23:21.05wols_and sarge only has php4
23:21.09rahulsobersabre: uh... "gadget" means "thing that does stuff"
23:21.12wols_at least your kernel is from sarge times
23:21.33wols_pukeko: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1
23:21.45sobersabrerahul: gadgets in the sense of electronic devices, multimedia players, e\readers
23:21.49sobersabreetc.
23:21.58wols_sobersabre: ##hardware
23:22.04sobersabrethanks!
23:22.25pukekowols: 2.3.2.ds1-22sa
23:22.33azeemthat's sarge
23:22.36wols_sarge. upgrade to etch. sarge is EOL
23:22.43ay^EOL?
23:22.48azeem!eol
23:22.49dpkgmethinks eol is end-of-line and is a common problem with windows+*nix machines if you intend to xfer files between them. fromdos/todos, available in sysutils, fixes that.
23:22.51simonrvnend of line
23:22.59pukekowols: dist-update ?
23:22.59wols_life
23:23.01ay^cewl
23:23.01azeemeh
23:23.10wols_pukeko: no. read etch release notes
23:23.20wols_pukeko: /msg dpkg sarge->etxh
23:23.23wols_pukeko: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
23:23.25rahulyeah, you need to translate your sarge line endings to etch line endings :P
23:23.33rahulyay for lossy compression ;)
23:23.35petemcnot much power in a sparcstation5
23:24.45drugbalancewell I have 2 wornings and one error
23:25.09drugbalanceerror is about 'some index files faild to download'
23:25.19stewdrugbalance: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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23:29.20sladiWhy would compiling from source fail (make install) complaining about a missing file when the file is installed? There is even I/pathtofile visible before the error and the path and filenames are correct.
23:29.37wols_sladi: paste your make output
23:29.51wols_and a ls -l of the path and the file
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23:31.23sladihttp://debian.pastebin.com/m6f198a7e
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23:36.31drugbalancehttp://paste.lisp.org/display/62343
23:36.41sladiwols_: looks like it worked this time. I guess rebooting in between helped because of the enviroment variables. Thanks! :)
23:36.48drugbalancethis is about apt-get
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23:37.54pukekosarge->etch : to get php5, do i need to do kernel upgrade first - this is a no gui box?
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23:38.45themilldrugbalance: armel doesn't exist for stable; only lenny/sid.
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23:40.47drugbalancethemill so what I gonna do ?:)
23:41.26themilldrugbalance: if you want armel, you're going to have to run lenny.
23:41.41drugbalancewtf lenny ?
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23:42.59drugbalanceI mean how my source.list should look like ?
23:43.49slackjri'm already done this question here, without answers,  will lenny have an official xen kernel???
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23:45.22drugbalanceI slackjr don't you know where is lenny repository ?
23:45.26drugbalanceI mean url
23:45.50deli2323Sadly, sudo is still not working, nor giving error and I have no clue why.
23:45.59deli2323Does anybody have any ideas for troubleshooting?
23:46.16stewslackjr: ask #debian-xen on irc.debian.org
23:46.26stewdrugbalance: http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian
23:46.51stewdrugbalance: if you are running armel its no suprise you were having trouble with ftp.debian.org, it only carries i386 and amd64
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23:47.31drugbalancestew so what should I do, I mean where can I find the one that I need ?
23:47.36slackjri think so, i work with etch for server, is my fist time with lenny, for certifications porpuses; with aptitude i found xen 3.2 but no kernels like linux-image-2.6.24-xen...
23:47.44henuxIs there a package that contains man pages for pthread or another one that has man pages for libmysqlclient ?
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23:48.14slackjrstew: i wil too
23:48.28stewdrugbalance: what exactly are you looking to find?
23:48.36drugbalancegcc for armel
23:48.47drugbalanceand maybe perl and ruby
23:48.51drugbalanceI'v found it on web
23:48.54stewdrugbalance: aptitude install build-essential ruby
23:49.01stewdrugbalance: perl is already installed
23:49.20drugbalanceno it's not
23:49.31drugbalanceit's nokia-n800-linux
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23:49.46stewdrugbalance: if you have debian installed, you have perl installed
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23:50.58stewdrugbalance: oh, are you saying that you are running 'nokia-n800-linux' and not debian?
23:51.20drugbalanceit is debian
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23:52.35stewdrugbalance: by that you mean you are running the linux distro that came on the n800 which is based on debian?
23:53.10drugbalanceyah
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23:53.30tyson_manyone know why "chroot /some/folder" says "/bin/bash: No such file or directory" even though /some/folder/bin/bash exists
23:53.43rahultyson_m: it's saying that /bin/bash doesn't exist
23:53.44rahuler
23:53.51rahulsome file that it needs
23:54.02stewdrugbalance: right, its not debian.   you should find a channel specific to your distro
23:54.08rahulmaybe the system bashrc or something
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23:54.24rahultyson_m: if you want to make a chroot, install a full distro inside it
23:54.27drugbalancehrm
23:54.54drugbalancebut... can't you tell me where can I find debian repositorys for armel ?
23:55.24stewdrugbalance: i did
23:55.28SC2hello
23:56.11drugbalanceon channel related to nokia os ?
23:56.14stewdrugbalance: but i also have no idea if i told you the right thing, becuaes i'm not familiar with your os
23:56.36tyson_mrahul: i wrote a script that creates a chroot'd environment, resolves all the lib deps and copies them and all that
23:56.44tyson_mi really only need it now for sftp
23:56.50tyson_mbut its refusing to work
23:57.12rahultyson_m: of course that won't work
23:57.19drugbalanceit's just the same as debian - only Xwindows differs and it uses touchscrin instead of mice, thats all
23:57.24SC2Has anyone had a "ACPI: unable to turn cooling device on" message? I found some others with google who have had the problem on a laptop, but I havent been able to find a fix on the error
23:57.24rahullibraries are not the only files used by applications
23:57.25drugbalanceallright I gonna google it
23:57.33drugbalanceanyway tks bb
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23:57.58toreYou have 8 friends in common.
23:57.58tyson_mrahul: for the applications i'm putting in the chroot, yes they are.
23:58.19tyson_mrahul: oops, i think i pasted the wrong error before too. its saying: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
23:58.38rahultyson_m: because it doesn't have a bashrc or some such
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23:58.49rahultyson_m: strace and see what it needs
23:58.51docta_vi'm trying to build an i386 package on a amd64 system
23:58.53docta_vi use dpkg-buildpackage -ai386 but it still builds a 64 bit package
23:58.57docta_vany tricks i'm missing here?
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23:59.51JyZyXELhe free and open source radeon, r128 and atimisc drivers (available in the xserver-xorg-video-ati package in Debian) provide 3D acceleration.
23:59.59JyZyXELis this really true?

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