| 00:00.13 | JyZyXEL | open source drivers that provide 3D accel |
| 00:00.14 | rahul | JyZyXEL: FSVO "provide" |
| 00:00.22 | JyZyXEL | FSVO? |
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| 00:01.22 | amphi | JyZyXEL: open ati/radeon and intel drivers provide 3d accel, not sure about others |
| 00:01.52 | rahul | JyZyXEL: for some values of |
| 00:02.06 | rahul | JyZyXEL: they're really limited and buggy, from the release notes I've seen |
| 00:02.21 | JyZyXEL | :p |
| 00:06.06 | SC2 | is the proper dist. for an AMD 32-bit the x86? I am getting an ACPI error on the i386. |
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| 00:06.44 | JyZyXEL | SC2 ofc it is |
| 00:07.45 | SC2 | Thanks |
| 00:08.27 | SC2 | I am just learning linux as you see |
| 00:09.55 | deli2323 | infinitycircuit: any other ideas about how to troubleshoot this hanging sudo? |
| 00:10.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I try to load some web pages with konqueror, konqueror ask me to download, or open *.do files with my another browser(firefox)? |
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| 00:16.13 | battlemidget | are they applets? |
| 00:16.13 | WickedMetalHead | Anyone familar with mdadm? I have 4 Drives, 1 with OS, 3 are a data drive that is raid5 with mdadm, i need to replace the OS drive and reinstall the OS onto the new OS drive, but i don't want to lose the data on the mdadm raid5, can i just copy the config and unplug those 3 drives, then plug them back in after the reinstall? |
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| 00:17.00 | battlemidget | umount the raid5 |
| 00:17.03 | battlemidget | reinstall the OS |
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| 00:17.25 | WickedMetalHead | ok, so i can do that without losing data, i wanted to make sure lol |
| 00:17.47 | battlemidget | yea as long as the OS is separate from the data raid5 |
| 00:17.50 | battlemidget | not much to it |
| 00:17.50 | WickedMetalHead | its got a little over a TB of data, so trying to sync that back from my backup on the web would take forever |
| 00:18.08 | battlemidget | just remember not to auto partition over your raid5 |
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| 00:18.29 | WickedMetalHead | yea, the raid5 is entirely seperate from the OS, i added those drives after I installed |
| 00:18.33 | WickedMetalHead | thanks alot |
| 00:18.35 | battlemidget | np |
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| 00:19.04 | Always | apt-get install mdadm |
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| 00:19.59 | Always | mdam -Cv /dev/md0 -l 5 -n 3 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /deb/sdc1 -x 1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:20.01 | gonzaloaf | battlemidget, nop, shtml pages I think |
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| 00:21.48 | mariocesar_bo | Hello, I want to experiment creating a new locale, to translate a language from my country "Aymara", how can I create a new locale? like aym_BO.UTF-8 ? Anyone ? |
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| 00:21.57 | drugbalance | hi it's me again :) |
| 00:22.17 | drugbalance | can anybody tell me the 'head' syntax |
| 00:22.25 | drugbalance | what is the -c option ? |
| 00:22.47 | emma | mariocesar_bo: is this like a sim city question? |
| 00:22.52 | Always | -c option for block chunks |
| 00:23.00 | Always | per default 64k |
| 00:23.23 | drugbalance | just to copy faster ? |
| 00:23.36 | Always | man mdadm | grep -i chunk size |
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| 00:27.12 | mariocesar_bo | emma: I am really sorry, i don't understand |
| 00:28.03 | SC2 | Anyone running a AMD Athlon single core? |
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| 00:28.38 | mariocesar_bo | emma: maybe I can't not explain my self :) I want to create a new locale, for a none translate language on debian, how can I create the locales for my aym_BO.UTF-8 |
| 00:28.45 | stew | SC2: many people are |
| 00:29.10 | stew | drugbalance: man head |
| 00:29.30 | drugbalance | I'm searchin for it on web :) |
| 00:29.52 | stew | drugbalance: you shouldn't have to, its right near the top of the manpage |
| 00:29.54 | randall | how do i fix my time on my computer when i boot up it doesnt set the time its 4 hours behind i have tried several thing but willing to do whatever for help |
| 00:29.55 | emma | mariocesar_bo: no I'm the one who should appologize, I completely misunderstood. I have never heard of Aymara and I thought it was a fictional place like in a game you are playing. |
| 00:30.06 | drugbalance | or... you can just copypaste it in my private :) |
| 00:30.10 | drugbalance | I have no man pages |
| 00:30.22 | drugbalance | and there is allitle bit different head |
| 00:30.31 | drugbalance | I'll try to rewrite it |
| 00:30.32 | stew | drugbalance: you are in the wrong channel |
| 00:30.35 | stew | drugbalance: try #meamo |
| 00:30.37 | epoxy | what would i look at.. or implement.. some sort of bit counter for an interface? |
| 00:31.03 | drugbalance | everybody dead on maemo |
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| 00:31.26 | stew | drugbalance: that's too bad. find a meamo mailing list or a maemo web forum |
| 00:31.28 | Saar | anyone know what dhcp option number "next-servers" corresponds with? |
| 00:31.34 | Saar | next-server |
| 00:31.37 | mariocesar_bo | emma: Hooo :O, well but you know, where I can learn to create a new locale, I am searching but i cannot find something clear |
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| 00:32.18 | randall | how do i fix my time on my computer when i boot up it doesnt set the time its 4 hours behind i have tried several thing but willing to do whatever for help i have to type /etc/init.d/ntp restart when i log on to get my time to fix but it wont set during boot up |
| 00:32.29 | Saar | trying to setup a PXE boot to boot a debian install |
| 00:33.29 | stew | randall: are you in a timezone which is 4 hours off from UTC? |
| 00:33.34 | tyson_m | anyone know if there's an SFTP daemon that isn't based on /etc/passwd? e.g. just a normal alternative to running proftp so there's no unencrypted communications? |
| 00:33.58 | randall | stew im in eastern time |
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| 00:34.12 | stew | randall: that's a yes. do you dual boot with windows? |
| 00:34.17 | randall | yes |
| 00:34.36 | stew | randall: change the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 00:34.52 | randall | stew: what do i type in there |
| 00:35.16 | stew | randall: change it from yes to no |
| 00:35.21 | amphi | mariocesar_bo: you could look at existing locale files in /usr/share/i18n/locales/ perhaps |
| 00:35.45 | randall | stew: it says no already |
| 00:36.07 | stew | randall: change it to yes |
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| 00:36.17 | randall | ok |
| 00:36.39 | randall | stew: ok what i do know |
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| 00:37.14 | stew | randall: nothing. it should stop happening |
| 00:37.52 | randall | ok |
| 00:37.55 | randall | ty |
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| 00:38.11 | battlemidget | do many people run unstable and/or running kde4? |
| 00:39.40 | mmlj4 | from it, does that count? |
| 00:39.49 | SW0RDF15H | is Away, Reason: ( ocupado ) | Since: ( Monday, June 16, 2008. 21:26:25 ) Xlack v2.1 |
| 00:39.56 | battlemidget | mmlj4, sure :) |
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| 00:41.17 | buu | SW0RDF15H: Come on now. |
| 00:41.31 | SW0RDF15H | Entschuldigung! |
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| 00:45.22 | JyZyXEL | Scheisse! |
| 00:45.30 | helo | i can't seem to get my audio working on this toshiba tecra a8 laptop... lspci shows the 82801g chipset, and i have the snd_hda_intel, snd_pcm_oss, snd_pcm, snd_timer, soundcore, and snd modules loaded, and alsamixer seems to work |
| 00:45.46 | randall | stew: i rebooted and it told me /dev/rtc tick clock timed out and thats why it didnt set the time |
| 00:48.09 | helo | when i try to bring up the volume control in gnome (lenny), it says no gstreamer devices or plugins were found |
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| 00:49.03 | helo | well, when i try to bring it up from the gnome panel applet... if i open it directly from the menu, it comes up but i still can't get any sound to play |
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| 00:52.38 | pukeko | how do i tell aptitude to not remove the old kernel when upgrading to linux-image-2.6-sparc32 |
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| 00:54.41 | simonrvn | put it on hol (=) |
| 00:54.44 | simonrvn | hold* |
| 00:54.47 | simonrvn | !hold |
| 00:54.48 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 01:12.12 | pukeko | any hints on potential gotchas before i do a aptitude install linux-image-2.6-sparc32 from 2.4 ? |
| 01:12.37 | pukeko | ..oh i am also remote |
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| 01:13.38 | pipeline | pukeko: err, sparc32 linux is pretty badly bitrotten. I wouldn't count on it working at all. |
| 01:14.30 | PiousMinion | Can someone recommend a gui SFTP client please? |
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| 01:15.07 | pukeko | Pious: winscp |
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| 01:16.32 | blameless | PiousMinion: filezilla |
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| 01:17.06 | PiousMinion | blameless: great on windows, not so good on linux. idk why. Any other suggestions? |
| 01:17.19 | blameless | PiousMinion: not really. i use rsync for everything |
| 01:17.52 | PiousMinion | blameless: Don't suppose there is an rsync gui app? :P |
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| 01:18.20 | pukeko | pipeline: thats encouraging : ) any other tips ? |
| 01:18.39 | pipeline | pukeko: err, install solaris, I guess. |
| 01:18.43 | blameless | that i don't know. it wouldn't really make sense the way rsync works. there are other sftp clients i'm sure. gftp or whatnot |
| 01:18.46 | pipeline | pukeko: Not a lot of maintainers for sparc32 :\ |
| 01:19.02 | pipeline | pukeko: debian is actually planning to drop it, and the fact that the kernel is dodgy on sparc32 is a significant contributor to that, IIRC |
| 01:20.47 | pipeline | pukeko: Solaris 8 & 9 are still under support for a fair bit of time, good software availability. I'm afraid linux on 32 bit sparc is just dead. :\ |
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| 01:21.14 | aixenv | whats the best app/util to convert a vcd (*.dat) file to mpeg4? |
| 01:21.15 | pukeko | pipeline: i guess the box won't be turning into a production webserver then ... thanks for your feedback |
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| 01:26.01 | blameless | `/join #macosx |
| 01:26.08 | Supaplex | blameless: I refuse! :P |
| 01:26.08 | Sling | or not |
| 01:26.14 | blameless | oops, no one saw that |
| 01:26.26 | Sling | yea blame it on ye olde typing error |
| 01:26.36 | blameless | points to his nick |
| 01:26.43 | Sling | clueless? |
| 01:26.47 | Sling | oh wait i read that wrong |
| 01:26.48 | Supaplex | typical layer 8 network issue. ;) |
| 01:27.19 | PiousMinion | layer 8, heh |
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| 01:27.45 | Sling | layer 8 troubleshooting is fun |
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| 01:28.15 | Sling | ID10T |
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| 01:28.45 | Supaplex | no, more like a normal mistake. no biggie. :) |
| 01:28.48 | blameless | i prefer the term "klutz". its charming and endearing and works wonders with the ladies |
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| 01:29.23 | JordiGH | Are the non-essential build tools frozen yet? |
| 01:29.27 | Sling | ladies? |
| 01:29.30 | Sling | pics or it didnt happern |
| 01:29.30 | JordiGH | didn't get the memo, if any. |
| 01:29.31 | Sling | -r |
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| 01:31.04 | JordiGH | Is KDE 4.1 gonna make it into lenny? |
| 01:31.15 | JordiGH | gets jumpy near release time. |
| 01:31.37 | craigevil-eee | hopefully not, last i saw on the mailing list they were sticking with 3.5.9 |
| 01:32.16 | JordiGH | craigevil-eee: Where? In d-devel? |
| 01:32.43 | craigevil-eee | i think that was it, i get several of them |
| 01:33.06 | JordiGH | It's not even in unstable is it? Still in experimental? |
| 01:33.20 | craigevil-eee | most of kde4 is still in exp |
| 01:34.21 | JordiGH | Yeah, I don't see how it will have time to make it into lenny, but Marc Brockschmidt said it might, so I got excited. |
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| 01:37.18 | aeg | Hi all ? How do I set a ISO on a USB stick so I can boot from it ? |
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| 01:39.19 | craigevil-eee | JordiGH: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2008-June/000910.html |
| 01:39.30 | PiousMinion | aeg: for that to work the usb drive would have to emulate a cdrom, which it doesn't afaik. There are several howto's online that show you how to edit one to boot from usb. search for knoppix on thumb drive. |
| 01:39.53 | JordiGH | craigevil: Aw. |
| 01:40.00 | JordiGH | craigevil-eee: |
| 01:40.08 | blameless | aeg: download the debian installer for hd images. you can just dd it to your usb key and be done with it |
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| 01:41.10 | aeg | ok thx blameless i will go for the dd |
| 01:41.57 | blameless | aeg: its the one in the hd-media folder. note, if you want to do a net install after dd'ing, you'll have to replace the initrd with the netboot one |
| 01:43.02 | JordiGH | SPI hosts Debian's servers, yes? |
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| 01:43.52 | mosty | is it possible to use smtp auth with a smarthost in exim using update-exim4.conf? |
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| 01:49.08 | JordiGH | What sort of things happen in the non-public mailing lists? |
| 01:49.12 | JordiGH | What does the Cabal discuss? |
| 01:49.13 | asdzxc_ | hi |
| 01:49.17 | asdzxc_ | i have a strange problem with TUN/TAP |
| 01:49.27 | asdzxc_ | i created a device and attached a virtual machine (KVM) to it |
| 01:49.50 | asdzxc_ | host has device tap0 and virtual eth0 |
| 01:50.05 | asdzxc_ | i set tap0=192.168.0.1 |
| 01:50.11 | asdzxc_ | eth0=192.168.0.2 |
| 01:50.22 | asdzxc_ | now i can ping 192.168.0.1 from virtual |
| 01:50.28 | asdzxc_ | but i cannot ping 192.168.0.2 from host |
| 01:50.47 | asdzxc_ | a run ping IP and no replies are shown |
| 01:50.48 | asdzxc_ | BUT |
| 01:50.53 | asdzxc_ | when i run tcpdump on tap0 |
| 01:50.59 | asdzxc_ | i can see replies are coming |
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| 01:51.08 | asdzxc_ | but ping doesn't show anything |
| 01:51.11 | asdzxc_ | what's wrong ? |
| 01:51.25 | asdzxc_ | looks like a kernel is not processing packets coming from tap0 |
| 01:52.26 | asdzxc_ | do i have to enable something or what ? |
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| 01:55.22 | grand_grunt | I can't make compiz-fusion run, any idea? |
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| 01:55.49 | asdzxc_ | make it run ;) |
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| 01:56.45 | grand_grunt | asdzxc_: I try to do so.. when I launch it with "compiz --replace" it crashes my xserver. When I add it to .bash_profile, the xserver crashes too |
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| 01:58.20 | grand_grunt | Where is the log file I should look at to know where the issue comes from? |
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| 01:59.48 | JordiGH | grand_grunt: What's your video card? |
| 02:00.02 | JordiGH | grand_grunt: And try #compiz-fusion. Lots of smart people in there. |
| 02:00.32 | grand_grunt | JordiGH: Nvidia 7600 |
| 02:00.43 | grand_grunt | I go to #compiz-fusion, thanks |
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| 02:01.02 | JordiGH | Boo, nvidia! |
| 02:01.05 | JordiGH | Hiss! |
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| 02:01.46 | grand_grunt | JordiGH: Better than Ati for 3D |
| 02:02.25 | JordiGH | grand_grunt: That's a matter of opinion. Anyways, try seeing of folks at #compiz-fusion have reverse engineered that blob enough to know what could be wrong with your Compiz. |
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| 02:03.26 | dustybin | at home, i have 2 desktops and 1 laptop and 1 server |
| 02:03.51 | grand_grunt | JordiGH: Yes, Nvidia drivers are not free, if the issue is coming from them, I'd better to go to #nvidia-do-not-support-linux ^^ |
| 02:03.55 | dustybin | id like to share my .mozilla preferences with my 2 desktops and laptops |
| 02:04.05 | dustybin | what would be the best way of doing that? |
| 02:04.30 | pipeline | here is no best way |
| 02:04.32 | pipeline | just copy it across |
| 02:04.33 | dustybin | if 2 desktops were accessing the same .mozilla could that cause problems? |
| 02:04.36 | pipeline | yes |
| 02:04.40 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 02:04.41 | pipeline | mozilla will warn you |
| 02:04.45 | pipeline | and if you choose to start anyway |
| 02:04.48 | pipeline | you will hose your profile |
| 02:05.00 | dustybin | i get sick of bookmarking stuff on 1 machine |
| 02:05.08 | dustybin | then having to send stuff across |
| 02:05.16 | mimcpher | dustybin, you can sync bookmarks with foxmarks. |
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| 02:05.25 | dustybin | aye what the hell is that? |
| 02:05.31 | craigevil-eee | dustybin: google browser sync |
| 02:05.36 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:05.42 | mimcpher | craigevil-eee, google is discontinuing support for that |
| 02:05.54 | mimcpher | craigevil-eee, as of like, yesterday. |
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| 02:06.10 | dustybin | that is exactly what im looking for, thanks :-) |
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| 02:06.34 | mimcpher | google browser sync is nice because it does sessions and cookies too |
| 02:06.42 | mimcpher | unfortunate that google decided to discontinue it. |
| 02:06.44 | dustybin | ace |
| 02:07.06 | dustybin | wonder why? |
| 02:07.22 | pipeline | there are a number of distributed bookmark systems |
| 02:07.37 | mimcpher | dustybin, probably because they've got no way to monetize it :-p |
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| 02:10.22 | dustybin | my lord? does google sync do stuff over the internet? |
| 02:10.22 | craigevil-eee | crap that sucks made it easy to keep desktop and lappy firefox the same |
| 02:10.31 | dustybin | so you could be at work |
| 02:10.38 | craigevil-eee | just syncing bookmarks isnt even close to the same |
| 02:10.40 | dustybin | and get all your saved passwords and bookmaks |
| 02:10.51 | craigevil-eee | although weave looks similiar |
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| 02:11.46 | dustybin | its a bit worrying that all your saved passwords were floating over the internet? |
| 02:12.39 | aeg | blameless:I can'tfind the HD-image folder ? is that on debian.org ? |
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| 02:14.23 | Always | exit |
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| 02:19.51 | magyar | hi, is there a way to set a mask on a directory? |
| 02:20.21 | magyar | as to all subdirs will cary the same settings |
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| 02:20.54 | Supaplex | find dir1/ -exec chmod 0750 '{}' \; |
| 02:21.02 | Supaplex | er wait. |
| 02:21.07 | Supaplex | find dir1/ -type d -exec chmod 0750 '{}' \; |
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| 02:23.26 | magyar | Supaplex: i need to have a directory set in such way, that if group users create folders and files the owner remains root the group is users and setting for dirs is 770 for files 660 |
| 02:25.08 | Orion_X11 | Supose that I need to back up my data and its size is more than 4.7gb (1 dvd), say 9gb, is there a way of configuring K3b, for example, to tackle this issue with a multi dvd setting? I mean the 2nd dvd would save data from where the 1st dvd finished saving it. |
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| 02:25.53 | Supaplex | magyar: is samba involved? if not, suid directories can offer some of that, but not all. |
| 02:27.58 | magyar | Supaplex: no samba, just shell. What about folder mask? 770 |
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| 02:28.55 | JordiGH | Y'know when you do your own backports? Is there a way for aptitude to automatically satisfy the runtime dependencies of the resulting backported .deb? |
| 02:29.02 | Supaplex | tbh, I'm not really sure. I have little exposure to directory perms in that scope |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: the dependencies of the backport should do that |
| 02:29.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: But how do you install it? Not with dpkg -i |
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| 02:29.52 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | dpkg -i foo.deb && aptitude -f install |
| 02:30.00 | dpkg | removes a kidney from abrotman and replaces it with foo.deb && aptitude -f install |
| 02:30.21 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 02:32.19 | JordiGH | Oh, right. |
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| 02:38.09 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: tar + gzip/bzip2 + slice is one option. ask dpkg about search for others. |
| 02:40.21 | Orion_X11 | Supaplex: I know tar + gzip/bzip2, but I not familiar with slice (???!!!). Is it a command line? |
| 02:40.30 | Supaplex | yup |
| 02:41.36 | aeg | PiousMinion: I took the fixkp2.exe and its now extracting the netinstall iso file to my USB stick .... |
| 02:42.09 | Orion_X11 | Supaplex: ???!!! |
| 02:42.29 | aeg | PiousMinion: It said that it will only work for knoppix but we will see ..... thx |
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| 02:44.14 | dustybin | mozilla weave kicks ass |
| 02:44.17 | dustybin | https://services.mozilla.com/ |
| 02:44.19 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: yes, slice is a command line filter. |
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| 02:44.37 | Supaplex | sorry, I meant split. :) |
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| 02:44.50 | Supaplex | split (1) - split a file into pieces |
| 02:44.50 | dustybin | ozilla.com/ |
| 02:44.51 | enouf | ... |
| 02:45.07 | enouf | !slice up Supaplex a bit |
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| 02:45.30 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
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| 02:45.43 | enouf | it slices, it dices, .. im a na chef o the future! |
| 02:46.10 | Orion_X11 | Supaplex: all right. Thx I will see. |
| 02:46.23 | enouf | psst .. "maybe we should mention something about spear fishing" :-P |
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| 02:47.02 | enouf | Nyle: if you haven't seen, rent or d/l the Honeymooners episodes, lmao |
| 02:49.05 | Nyle | yeh |
| 02:49.11 | Nyle | you're a ooooooold man |
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| 02:50.56 | TonyRad | heya.. I'm installing a new debian box and I'm trying to set up LVM over my 2 hard disks.. Could anybody help me withthis? |
| 02:51.59 | pukeko | Tonyad: make sure you have LVM2 |
| 02:52.01 | zenwryly | A while ago, I started getting "E: Build-dependencies for foo could not be satisfied." when I do "apt-get build-dep foo". It used to work and now it never works. What I want to know is how to troubleshoot this. Any help? |
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| 02:52.13 | TonyRad | Well. I'm doing it at install pukeko |
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| 02:54.35 | MrWGW | hey enouf |
| 02:54.45 | MrWGW | the Honeymooners, that's some classic stuff |
| 02:54.58 | pipeline | zenwryly: You don't have any apt-src lines in your sources.list. |
| 02:55.11 | enouf | indeed |
| 02:55.56 | zenwryly | pipeline: I do though |
| 02:56.13 | zenwryly | pipeline: is there a way I can find out *which* dependency isn't available? |
| 02:56.19 | Supaplex | !lart missing invoices |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | does a little 'dpkg -P missing invoices' action |
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| 03:01.06 | tavito | Does anybody know how to configure with defoma the fonts so they are antialiased on a LCD screen? some fonts look ugly now in a browser |
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| 03:02.33 | pipeline | tavito: your browser probably handles fonts itself :\ |
| 03:03.19 | Supaplex | bad fonts. no biscuit! |
| 03:03.22 | sladi | on debian forums in how-to section is a how-to |
| 03:03.54 | sladi | also sharpfonts.com iirc |
| 03:03.59 | tavito | I'm using the latest RC of firefox 3... And I think it doesn't because there is nowhere to configure it, while in ubuntu there wasn't such problem |
| 03:04.40 | tavito | ok, I'll take a look, the thing is that the fonts that have that problem are the ones under the defoma directory |
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| 03:05.02 | abrotman | it could be your DE/WM |
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| 03:05.37 | simonrvn | take a look at ~/.fonts.conf |
| 03:05.45 | sladi | I don't know about wm but the forum post works fine in wmii ^^ |
| 03:05.47 | simonrvn | enable antialias for everything |
| 03:05.48 | tavito | I'm on lenny with gnome from the repos, let's see |
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| 03:05.56 | abrotman | gnome has a fonts setting |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | under Administration->Appearance |
| 03:06.33 | tavito | but the fonts in gnome look great, there is no problem there |
| 03:06.49 | simonrvn | ...hence my saying simonrvn> take a look at ~/.fonts.conf |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | fonts suck .. use a punchcard |
| 03:07.22 | simonrvn | sticks abrotman in a punch card reader |
| 03:07.23 | sladi | in FF3 there is font setting which llows fonts to be overridden |
| 03:07.33 | sladi | *allows |
| 03:08.11 | sladi | engraving rules |
| 03:08.44 | tavito | in fonts.conf hinting is true, hintstyle is hintmedium and antialias is true. I'll look into changing that option in firefox |
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| 03:23.11 | Supaplex | bleh. stupid micro sdhc no work in this card reader. :( |
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| 03:26.36 | sladi | don't you need an adapter? ^^ |
| 03:27.21 | Supaplex | my pc has one built in. i'm using the sd/microsd adapter the 4gb microsd card came with. |
| 03:28.04 | Supaplex | the pc reads the 8gb sdhc card for my camera just fine. no syslog activity with the 4gb card... strange. |
| 03:28.04 | sladi | :) I was joking |
| 03:28.55 | sladi | no idea. I had a card reader which wouldn't work in ubuntu feisty. |
| 03:29.28 | sladi | another worked and today both work in lenny |
| 03:30.10 | sladi | on the other hand the usb ports are dodgy so I dunno :) |
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| 03:31.44 | Supaplex | humm... |
| 03:32.09 | NuclearCat | anybody have glue about ICH8 e1000e performance? there is some workaround, for PBA size... does it affect network performance? |
| 03:33.09 | doorknob60 | today i upgraded my laptop from etch to lenny, and it ate 300 mb of hd space...any explanations? I ran sudo apt-get clean afterwards |
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| 03:35.40 | pattern | does anyone know of a good application that will let me tag files in my filesystem with arbitrary keywords and then allow me to search for the files i want using those tags ? |
| 03:35.50 | Supaplex | doorknob60: sounds normal. why do you think that happens? |
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| 03:36.11 | doorknob60 | well, its just upgrading, it shouldnt add a bucnch of stuff, should it? |
| 03:36.22 | doorknob60 | it has a tiny hd so it matters a lot lol |
| 03:36.31 | Supaplex | the base install of potato is smaller than etch. |
| 03:36.56 | Supaplex | more features equal more used space |
| 03:37.04 | SeveredCross | Often times, existing packages get bigger. |
| 03:37.05 | doorknob60 | yeah...but 300mb? |
| 03:37.18 | SeveredCross | Yeah.... |
| 03:37.23 | SeveredCross | How many packages did you update? |
| 03:37.26 | SeveredCross | Also, did you remove any old kernels? |
| 03:37.27 | sladi | dependncies changed probably |
| 03:37.30 | doorknob60 | thats kinda a lot for my 2.5gb debian partition on there lol |
| 03:37.30 | SeveredCross | The kernel is at least 50-60 MB. |
| 03:37.42 | doorknob60 | ill delete my old kernel, almost forgot that |
| 03:37.44 | SeveredCross | And dependency changes pull in new dependencies sometimes. |
| 03:37.48 | snogglethorpe | SeveredCross: which is quite annoying really |
| 03:37.59 | doorknob60 | yeah it is |
| 03:38.00 | Supaplex | reinstall from scratch ;) |
| 03:38.02 | SeveredCross | You might also want to apt-get autoremove, and check around with deborphan. |
| 03:38.06 | doorknob60 | cd drive busted lol |
| 03:38.07 | SeveredCross | What, that it leaves the old kernel around? |
| 03:38.09 | SeveredCross | Yeah. |
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| 03:38.25 | doorknob60 | if my cd drive worked i woulda downsized my win98 partition by now |
| 03:38.27 | snogglethorpe | SeveredCross: my home-compiled kernel is only like 2mb :-/ |
| 03:38.40 | SeveredCross | snogglethorpe: Er, I usually fetch headers and such too. |
| 03:38.47 | SeveredCross | And I used to compile my own kernel, and then I got lazy. |
| 03:38.57 | doorknob60 | is there a way to use gparted with a flash drive and a floppy drive? |
| 03:39.10 | snogglethorpe | SeveredCross: yeah ... I've only got lik 70 MB free on my root disk though, so I don't have any choice :-/ |
| 03:39.19 | SeveredCross | Ah. |
| 03:39.28 | snogglethorpe | SeveredCross: I _can_ install a debian kernel if I'm really careful, but I can't upgrade it :-) |
| 03:39.29 | sladi | doorknob60: never had problems with flashdrives in gparted |
| 03:39.36 | SeveredCross | snogglethorpe: Yep, I hear ya. |
| 03:39.41 | snogglethorpe | (not room for two at once :-) |
| 03:39.41 | doorknob60 | no i mean boot into gparted from a flash drive |
| 03:39.42 | Supaplex | never underestimate the power of grub and pxebooting :) |
| 03:39.52 | doorknob60 | because my cd drive doesnt work |
| 03:39.55 | SeveredCross | I have a small /boot, but it's big enough to store the kernel. |
| 03:39.59 | SeveredCross | Without modules of course. |
| 03:40.03 | SeveredCross | The modules are what really eats up the space. |
| 03:40.30 | Supaplex | is it easy to remove the drive and do something from another system? |
| 03:40.32 | sladi | doorknob60: no idea |
| 03:40.49 | doorknob60 | no its a laptop, so its a PITA |
| 03:41.01 | doorknob60 | i cant get it open some of the screws are stubborn lolz |
| 03:41.04 | Supaplex | not an ibook? :) |
| 03:41.11 | doorknob60 | its an old presario |
| 03:41.11 | sladi | cu |
| 03:42.06 | doorknob60 | OR, is there a way that i can edit partitions from debian or win98 |
| 03:42.21 | doorknob60 | because gparted from debian doesnt like me because hd is mounted |
| 03:42.37 | Supaplex | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:42.38 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:43.00 | doorknob60 | i know about that actually, but not what im looking for |
| 03:43.13 | Supaplex | the installer has a built in parted |
| 03:43.14 | doorknob60 | i wanna be able to edit my partitions thats all |
| 03:43.19 | doorknob60 | oh it does? |
| 03:43.22 | Supaplex | yup |
| 03:43.53 | doorknob60 | can i use it without formatting/rreinstalling anything |
| 03:43.53 | Supaplex | hence the non-destructive part :) |
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| 03:43.54 | doorknob60 | and does it work in the old outdated win98? |
| 03:43.55 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 03:43.55 | dpkg | debian.exe is, like, the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 03:43.57 | Supaplex | yeah, you don't have to install. you can resize only |
| 03:44.20 | doorknob60 | sounds good to me, ill try it later :) |
| 03:44.21 | Supaplex | works with win98 just fine last I tested |
| 03:44.42 | doorknob60 | its annoying having 750 mb free on windows partition and 200 free on linux |
| 03:44.45 | doorknob60 | :P |
| 03:44.49 | Supaplex | it starts grub as a real mode dos app, and the rest is history |
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| 03:45.47 | doorknob60 | lol i tried running debian.exe in wine once :P |
| 03:46.06 | Supaplex | it kinda works. that's where I stole a few screen shots from :) |
| 03:46.06 | doorknob60 | i burned my cd and i wads like "what the heck is that??" |
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| 03:46.25 | Supaplex | it obviously fails at the end. hehe |
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| 03:46.28 | doorknob60 | yeah |
| 03:47.03 | Nyle | Supaplex, nice mirror |
| 03:47.12 | Nyle | much better |
| 03:47.14 | Supaplex | thanks =) |
| 03:47.23 | Nyle | could use a few more FAQ etc. regarding the installer |
| 03:47.37 | Nyle | and the details of how it works and you'd be even better |
| 03:47.49 | Nyle | Supaplex, good afternoon sir.... |
| 03:47.50 | Nyle | :) |
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| 03:49.11 | Supaplex | yes Nyle is funny |
| 03:49.21 | Nyle | THANK YOU! |
| 03:49.39 | ChandleWEi | how to downgrade ruby from 1.8.7 to 1.8.6 |
| 03:49.42 | ChandleWEi | ? |
| 03:50.03 | Supaplex | !tell ChandleWEi -about downgrade |
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| 03:50.18 | Nyle | ChandleWEi, install the 1.8.6 package, if its not in repository try snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:50.22 | Nyle | !downgrade |
| 03:50.22 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
| 03:50.36 | Nyle | I see |
| 03:51.04 | ChandleWEi | Nyle: thx |
| 03:51.07 | ChandleWEi | dpkg: thx |
| 03:51.07 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 03:51.17 | Nyle | dpkg downgrade is also see /msg dpkg sdn |
| 03:51.18 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 03:52.23 | xerophyt1 | i am trying to use nfsv4 with nfsboot but its always boot with nfsv3 .. does anybody know what option do i have to say to force nfsv4 boot options |
| 03:53.59 | Supaplex | hummmm |
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| 04:35.05 | cafuego | wibbles |
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| 04:36.51 | markybob | wibble is a verb? |
| 04:37.08 | jw002j | Why is my ~/.profile not sourced on login? |
| 04:37.42 | doorknob60 | lol |
| 04:37.49 | markybob | jw002j, probably because you should be using ~/.bash_profile |
| 04:37.53 | doorknob60 | wibble...i liek that word :D |
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| 04:42.42 | obnauticus | does anyone here by any chance know how to send hex over netcat |
| 04:42.44 | obnauticus | and just not raw text |
| 04:42.46 | obnauticus | i mean |
| 04:42.49 | obnauticus | ASCII valuex* |
| 04:45.30 | markybob | jw002j, you should read the topic. in particular, where it says not to /msg people. |
| 04:45.55 | cafuego | markybob: My wife has been using it for years and last week I came across it in a novel. It's official now. |
| 04:46.17 | markybob | cafuego, i'm afraid to ask :P |
| 04:46.43 | jw002j | markybob if we're all being pedantic, that isn't in the *topic* but in dpkg's /msg :) |
| 04:47.18 | cafuego | markybob: 'halting state' by charles stross |
| 04:47.40 | cafuego | markybob: not a bad read, certainly not for IT geeks |
| 04:48.36 | markybob | jw002j, we're not. and it's the last four words of the topic, but nice try. |
| 04:49.06 | markybob | at least you used a semi-big word. props to you |
| 04:49.40 | cafuego | pedantic isn't a word, it's a state of mind |
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| 04:50.36 | jw002j | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:52.17 | jw002j | Well thanks for being so polite |
| 04:52.45 | markybob | i'm sorry. next time i wont answer your question and just ignore you |
| 04:53.28 | markybob | it's not even sunday. fuck |
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| 04:54.38 | Supaplex | obnauticus: hd | nc |
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| 04:55.38 | kowaniow | when I post to Google Groups, info about my Debian appears in the header of the msg. any way to hide or mod this? |
| 04:56.03 | SeveredCross | kowaniow: Eh? Can you give an example? |
| 04:56.12 | SeveredCross | I would think that's just the headers that Iceweasel is sending. |
| 04:56.16 | kowaniow | hang on. |
| 04:56.16 | Supaplex | they're still out to get you ;) |
| 04:56.36 | markybob | info about your debian? do you mean your ip and mail client? or...huh? |
| 04:56.58 | Supaplex | maybe the release too |
| 04:57.02 | markybob | my debian is hard and strong |
| 04:57.03 | Supaplex | versions, stuff... |
| 04:57.07 | markybob | pets his debian |
| 04:57.20 | hoxu | !penixstrike markybob |
| 04:57.20 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:57.30 | kowaniow | this is what appears. User-Agent: G2/1.0 |
| 04:57.32 | kowaniow | X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) |
| 04:57.34 | kowaniow | Gecko/20070723 Iceweasel/2.0.0.6 (Debian-2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) |
| 04:57.43 | SeveredCross | Oh, that's normal ddue. |
| 04:57.46 | SeveredCross | *dude. |
| 04:57.52 | markybob | kowaniow, stop being silly. that info is sent with every email on any OS distro or client |
| 04:57.53 | enouf | but ugly |
| 04:58.11 | enouf | er 'butt ugly' :-p |
| 04:58.12 | SeveredCross | That's what Iceweasel sends as its User-Agent, other Firefox-alikes send more or less the same info,. |
| 04:58.25 | SeveredCross | I wouldn't worry about anyone hax0ring you with that info. |
| 04:58.40 | kowaniow | SeveredCross: The OS is giving me away. It is rarely used by others. |
| 04:58.51 | markybob | wtf |
| 04:58.53 | enouf | useragent switcher .. or .. use a real browser :-P |
| 04:59.06 | hoxu | kowaniow, nice troll, there's a setting in firefox/iceweasel to override user-agent info, use that |
| 04:59.09 | SeveredCross | kowaniow: Er, whut? |
| 04:59.14 | SeveredCross | Giving you away? |
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| 04:59.37 | kowaniow | hoxu: is there? In Preference? |
| 04:59.41 | stopher | Anyone know about using Virtual Hosts in debian? I'm trying to get it setup and it's like running into a brick wall :D |
| 04:59.45 | stopher | apache2 :) |
| 04:59.48 | hoxu | kowaniow, in about:config, google it up |
| 04:59.55 | doorknob60 | oh noes!!11! ima get h4x0r3d! someone knows i use debian! |
| 04:59.58 | doorknob60 | :P |
| 04:59.59 | kowaniow | k |
| 05:00.05 | stopher | lol doorknob |
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| 05:00.11 | SeveredCross | doorknob60++ |
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| 05:00.12 | markybob | doorknob60, i'm already in you |
| 05:00.15 | Phase | The bitlbee package in Lenny is odd. I'm changing the port in /etc/bitlbee.conf, but it's ignoring that conf file I believe and using default settings.. but I have no idea where that conf file is at.. |
| 05:00.16 | markybob | damn that sounded wrong |
| 05:00.18 | Phase | Any ideas? |
| 05:00.18 | markybob | :P |
| 05:00.26 | SeveredCross | Phase: dpkg -L bitlbee |
| 05:00.26 | doorknob60 | i wouldnt worry, especiallybecause ur using debian, its so secure :d |
| 05:00.35 | markybob | hehe |
| 05:00.36 | markybob | nice |
| 05:00.45 | Supaplex | Phase: maybe it's in /etc/default/ |
| 05:00.49 | crownroyal | i installed debian lenny, I'm stuck at 800x600 resolution in gnome. I tried editting my xorg.conf but I think it's being completely ignored. help? |
| 05:00.53 | Phase | :o Thats a handy command |
| 05:00.57 | Phase | I'll have to remember that one |
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| 05:01.21 | SeveredCross | Phase: :-) |
| 05:01.41 | kowaniow | SeveredCross: yeah, giving me away when I want to post anonymous. |
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| 05:01.46 | Phase | It listed: /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf (the one I've been editing..) .. and not any other location |
| 05:01.48 | Phase | :\ |
| 05:01.54 | Phase | Hmm. |
| 05:02.32 | Phase | kicks it |
| 05:02.32 | stew | kowaniow: there is a user-agent switcher extension |
| 05:02.32 | markybob | kowaniow, anonymous? on the internet? what are you talking about? |
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| 05:02.33 | Supaplex | spies! |
| 05:02.33 | markybob | it's just your os/browser version, for crying out loud |
| 05:02.38 | hoxu | !tell kowaniow about user-agent |
| 05:02.39 | markybob | if you could be hacked with that, you'd deserve to be hacked |
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| 05:03.32 | stew | i don't understand why people are hung up on whether or not he could get hacked, when it is clearly not at all having anything to do with why he is asking what he is asking |
| 05:03.33 | hoxu | markybob, there's nothing wrong with wanting some privacy, user-agent and some other browser info can be used to successfully identify people from behind proxys and stuff |
| 05:03.36 | stopher | Google has failed me :o |
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| 05:03.54 | cafuego | uses Firefox 1.0 CP/M (Overflow; %s; Haha!) |
| 05:04.04 | markybob | hoxu, how is os/browser info anti-privacy? |
| 05:04.12 | Supaplex | my user agent is simply "http" |
| 05:04.13 | stew | markybob: please reread what he has said |
| 05:04.23 | hoxu | markybob, that's your homework to figure out, not mine |
| 05:04.40 | Phase | SeveredCross, How about.. when I `apt-get remove bitlbee`, it leaves some stuff behind.. anyway to ensure it takes everything it put there? |
| 05:04.44 | Supaplex | I think I'll change it to 42 now. |
| 05:04.51 | Supaplex | !purge |
| 05:04.52 | dpkg | purge is probably to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 05:04.55 | craigevil | Phase: apt-get remove --purge |
| 05:04.55 | cafuego | Phase: apt-get remove --purge bitlbee |
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| 05:05.03 | Phase | Great. thanks :) |
| 05:05.05 | markybob | that's totally bullshit. if this guy was serious about privacy, he'd be using tor, in which case his user-agent wouldnt even matter |
| 05:05.25 | markybob | it's simple ignorance |
| 05:05.29 | hoxu | !truth about markybob |
| 05:05.29 | dpkg | markybob is a liar! |
| 05:05.38 | craigevil | using tor is almost as bad as running vista its slow |
| 05:05.52 | markybob | craigevil, yes, that comment makes sense. |
| 05:05.59 | Supaplex | wahhh |
| 05:06.26 | stew | markybob: using tor is probably overkill in order to change one's user agent |
| 05:06.35 | kowaniow | hoxu: that fix it, thks a lot. |
| 05:06.52 | markybob | stew, claiming that changing a user-agent is "security" is reckless at best |
| 05:06.56 | Supaplex | np. you'll get our bill. ;) |
| 05:07.05 | stew | markybob: well luckly nobody is making that claim |
| 05:07.33 | cafuego | Changing the UA makes no difference whatever, at best you'll break on sites that implement UA checking for javascript. |
| 05:08.02 | enouf | cafuego: and that's why i do it ;-) it let |
| 05:08.18 | enouf | 's me know which sites never to visit again ;-) |
| 05:08.26 | cafuego | At which point you need to ask yourself if you neede privacy, why is javascript enabled? |
| 05:08.57 | hoxu | !noscript |
| 05:08.58 | dpkg | i guess noscript is a firefox/iceweasel addon, a must-have if you access any valuable data from your browser (such as gmail). By default it disables javascript for all pages, and allows you to easily white/blacklist sites. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722 |
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| 05:09.27 | kowaniow | stew: you know what i am working at. actually, i post to Google Group with tor but the info i mentioned still appear. |
| 05:09.35 | enouf | i can make links2 say 3 Gerbils and a Hamster if i wanted to ;-) |
| 05:09.53 | kowaniow | stew: anyway, that about:config allow me to change things. |
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| 05:10.12 | craigevil | kowaniow: are you using privoxy with tor? if so you can change or block user.agent info |
| 05:10.31 | markybob | kowaniow, do you realize that everyone on this network knows which country you're from and could even pinpoint your location closer using geoip? and you're worried about user-agent while using tor with iceweasel? really? |
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| 05:10.34 | enouf | IIRC, Dillo has some nice obscure references built in |
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| 05:11.10 | kowaniow | craigevil: yes, i am. how to block user.agent info? use about:config? |
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| 05:11.13 | SeveredCross | Heh, I like about:mozilla |
| 05:11.16 | Supaplex | dillo is better than day old donuts |
| 05:11.20 | SeveredCross | kowaniow: Why are you worried about that? |
| 05:11.24 | SeveredCross | I don't see the point. |
| 05:11.38 | stew | SeveredCross: please re-read what he said previously. he already explained it |
| 05:11.49 | jake_ | here |
| 05:12.02 | SeveredCross | Oh, i missed it. |
| 05:12.05 | hoxu | SeveredCross, maybe he's posting to alt.sex.fetish.markybob |
| 05:12.19 | markybob | nothing wrong with that. everyone has their thing :P |
| 05:12.22 | kowaniow | SeveredCross: debian is a rare OS. i could be the only one in the neighborhood using it. and that makes me un-anonymous. |
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| 05:12.34 | SeveredCross | Ah. |
| 05:12.36 | markybob | nor does it matter if he's using tor like he says |
| 05:12.47 | SeveredCross | Seems silly to me, but you do your thing, I do mine. |
| 05:13.08 | cafuego | kowaniow: you shouldn't have told your neighbours you use it if it's such a problem ;-) |
| 05:13.21 | markybob | who cares if some tor node in australia seems to use iceweasel? how would that affect him negatively? |
| 05:13.27 | craigevil | just use your neighbors wifi :) |
| 05:13.38 | hoxu | kowaniow, convert your neighbours to debian, problem solved |
| 05:14.14 | kowaniow | cafuego: i do not tell my neighbor. if the authority were to do a random check on users on the neighborhood, i would probably be the only one using debian. |
| 05:14.17 | crownroyal | use a proxy |
| 05:14.26 | cafuego | markybob: In australia it's a problem if you're into kiddie porn actually. |
| 05:14.46 | markybob | cafuego, they'd arrest the tor node, not him. that's my point |
| 05:14.53 | cafuego | There were a few hundred arrests the other day. |
| 05:15.09 | kowaniow | crownroyal: yeah, that is one way. more hustle. have to find an open proxy before i can post. |
| 05:16.12 | enouf | jake_: i see ya .. now try and explain what's up, maybe someone can help .. or .. wait, then do it |
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| 05:16.37 | kowaniow | craigevil: i can do that but as i said, if the authority do a random house check, there will notice that mine is the one with debian whereas the neighbours are all MS. |
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| 05:16.54 | markybob | kowaniow, you dont need a proxy if you're using tor, goof |
| 05:17.03 | markybob | tor acts as a proxy and hides you even better |
| 05:17.04 | kowaniow | k |
| 05:17.37 | kowaniow | the whole problem is that "debian" is appearing in the header of my postings. |
| 05:17.46 | markybob | yes. big problem. |
| 05:17.48 | markybob | i give up |
| 05:18.02 | kowaniow | anyway, that about:config setting has fixed it. thks. |
| 05:18.25 | hoxu | markybob, maybe he's posting in alt.sex.fetish.windows, then it all makes sense |
| 05:18.37 | Supaplex | erm, did I miss the DSA where debian in headers translates to 'haxor me!'? |
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| 05:18.49 | markybob | Supaplex, seems like i did, too |
| 05:18.56 | stew | Supaplex: what are you talking about? |
| 05:19.19 | Supaplex | just kowaniow's near FUD |
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| 05:19.42 | Supaplex | do I actually care? nawe. |
| 05:19.48 | stew | Supaplex: he never expressed any fear of anything security related |
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| 05:20.07 | MrBrush | how can i do this? |
| 05:20.10 | MrBrush | I would like to get an overview of the processes I'm running in screen at the bottom of my screen |
| 05:20.26 | Supaplex | sounds like an xterm with top running in it. |
| 05:21.37 | markybob | stew, yeah? <kowaniow> SeveredCross: yeah, giving me away when I want to post anonymous. |
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| 05:22.29 | stew | markybob: you are clearly still misreading his intentions. you should just drop it |
| 05:22.42 | markybob | yes. he's using tor, but it's giving him away |
| 05:22.48 | markybob | stew, please. you're the least respectable op in here. you bullshit more than most trolls and no one really gives a fuck about what you have to say. i have no idea how you got op in the first place. go on, ban me. see if that ups your respect level with anyone who knows anything at all. i've been right in this discussion and you've been dead wrong |
| 05:22.52 | MrBrush | Supaplex: how? |
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| 05:23.25 | streuner | markybob: wtf |
| 05:23.26 | stew | markybob: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 05:24.17 | markybob_ | i wonder how many ips i can come up with. nice |
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| 05:25.09 | hoxu | who was trolling again... *sigh* |
| 05:25.13 | hoxu | !flw |
| 05:25.13 | dpkg | from memory, flw39 is <Angel-SL> BASH WONT START <stew> Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files <Angel-SL> i'm going to logout and in = Angel-SL [n=angelsl@cm162.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] quit |
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| 05:25.29 | Supaplex | MrBrush: are you in a graphical setup, or plain console? |
| 05:25.48 | MrBrush | plain console |
| 05:26.40 | Supaplex | well, you can run top, but you'll only see it on that terminal. login to tty2..6 to do something else. |
| 05:27.04 | Supaplex | or use screen, or just quit top after you're done. you don't need to run top most of the time. |
| 05:27.10 | Supaplex | usually anyway :) |
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| 05:34.29 | Vicfred | hi all |
| 05:34.44 | Vicfred | how do i add keyboard layouts to X? |
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| 05:38.00 | hoxu | stew, how about removing the corresponding ban, too? |
| 05:39.51 | sladi | Vicfred: /etc/xorg.conf |
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| 05:40.13 | streuner | well, you should reflecting what he said, and how you protect stew then too |
| 05:40.18 | sladi | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:40.32 | stew | just drop it |
| 05:41.11 | Nyle | thats horrible grammar streuner |
| 05:41.18 | Nyle | gives you a book on stuff |
| 05:41.24 | streuner | Nyle: thank you :-) |
| 05:41.26 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:41.29 | streuner | Nyle: i know :-) |
| 05:41.45 | sladi | Vicfred: http://debian.pastebin.com/m1202b5b7 |
| 05:42.13 | Vicfred | thx |
| 05:42.18 | sladi | np |
| 05:43.35 | sladi | Vicfred: grp:menu_toggle means I can use the menu key of my windows keyboard to toggle the layouts, there are other optios too |
| 05:44.41 | Vicfred | sladi: are they on the xkb plugin man or something? |
| 05:44.52 | sladi | Vicfred: no ideo IIRC I saw a gentoo wiki. I read about it on the nets. ^^ |
| 05:45.02 | sladi | *idea |
| 05:47.17 | streuner | Nyle: i want learn french, but i have no time at all |
| 05:47.41 | Supaplex | repeat after me, freedom fries |
| 05:47.49 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:47.57 | Vicfred | sladi: may i have the link for that wiki? |
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| 05:48.48 | sladi | Vicfred: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_X11_Keyboard |
| 05:48.56 | Vicfred | thx |
| 05:48.59 | sladi | np |
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| 05:54.57 | Phase | How do I make a blank user that a program can run itself under, instead of root? |
| 05:55.17 | Phase | Well, I can add a full one.. but I'm sure you can without the /home/ etc, etc. |
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| 06:04.06 | buntfalke | Phase: there is nothing like a blank user, just make a user without a login shell. there are various applications for which this is common like webservers, mldonkey sometimes, mailservers and stuff like that - check the web |
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| 06:09.37 | tarsin | is there a tool similar to apt-get that will recursively download packages and their dependencies? i need to install a package as a non-root user.. so idealy i'd like to be able to specify a root location for the install... |
| 06:11.47 | Bushmills | Phase: useradd instead of adduser won't create or populate a home dir |
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| 06:13.22 | Supaplex | tarsin: debian packages are not designed to work well that way. someday it might, I can only hope. :) fakechroot or fakeroot might be close to what you're after. |
| 06:13.49 | Supaplex | that and debootstrap has an option for it |
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| 06:37.03 | alperbaba | hello i want to install codecs on my etch? Could you tell me about a wiki page about it |
| 06:37.57 | SeveredCross | alperbaba: Which codecs? |
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| 06:38.52 | alperbaba | mp3 , divx , and the other populer codecs |
| 06:39.03 | cydork | !w32codecs |
| 06:39.04 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
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| 06:39.52 | alperbaba | thanks i 'll look |
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| 06:42.28 | enouf | wow .. /me turns back on the "hide join/part messages" feature ;-) |
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| 06:44.11 | noritr | easily amused eh? |
| 06:44.59 | jamesdean2 | noritr: being easily amused makes life worthwhile :P |
| 06:45.29 | noritr | you gotta be young - say that in 20 years |
| 06:46.10 | jamesdean2 | i'm 46 in less than a month. so i guess it depends on what you consider young |
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| 06:46.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 06:46.53 | xenosoz | hi |
| 06:47.02 | jamesdean2 | hola |
| 06:47.03 | jamesdean2 | oi |
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| 06:47.07 | Ace2016 | i'm logging IO and i'm seeing a lot of "dirtied inode" in dmesg what does it mean? |
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| 06:47.34 | noritr | jamesdean2 - hmmm... say that in 1 year and a week? .... stay young |
| 06:47.45 | jamesdean2 | noritr: heh :) |
| 06:48.18 | xenosoz | can i get any sample route table for home server? |
| 06:48.47 | xenosoz | i'm suffering from set-up my intranet |
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| 06:48.54 | jamesdean2 | depends. can you `route`? |
| 06:49.24 | xenosoz | jamesdean2: sure but i just can't C&P it. just a second |
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| 06:49.57 | noritr | you don't really need a route table for intranet - use /etc/hosts |
| 06:50.48 | noritr | by intranet do you mean computers connected by ethernet or wireless to switch or router ? |
| 06:51.40 | xenosoz | it is wired and it pings to the host. but just cannot get any pongs from outside |
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| 06:54.18 | noritr | an intranet doesn't connect to the 'outside' - so you have a local area network connected to a router that is connected to what? a cable modem or dsl modem? |
| 06:55.02 | Supaplex | it's more secure that way ;) heh heh |
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| 06:56.36 | xenosoz | oh well perhaps word selection was bad. i have two computer(say A,B) connected via rj45, crossed. A is connected to the internet, but i can't make B access the internet . |
| 06:56.52 | xenosoz | `routes` on A says: http://211.45.111.42/~xenosoz/routes |
| 06:56.56 | gutterpunk | Because of the bad resolution on my laptop, I hooked up an external screen. Everything works kind of sluggish in clone mode though. How can I disable output on my laptop? |
| 06:57.30 | noritr | routes or route ? |
| 06:57.38 | stew | xenosoz: what does 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' return? |
| 06:57.44 | xenosoz | oops `route` |
| 06:58.04 | xenosoz | stew: it returns 0 |
| 06:58.11 | dub | recommended .ods -> excel converter? |
| 06:58.29 | fireba11 | dub: open office and save as ? |
| 06:58.49 | stew | xenosoz: that's at least one problem. edit /etc/sysctl.conf ; uncomment the "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" line, and run "sysctl -p" |
| 06:58.50 | gutterpunk | xenosoz, on box A this should return 1... "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 06:58.59 | stew | xenosoz: have you setup a masquerading rule? |
| 06:59.07 | gutterpunk | like stew said :) much easier |
| 06:59.10 | dub | fireba11, yeah thats an option I guess |
| 06:59.51 | noritr | what connects you to the internet |
| 06:59.51 | xenosoz | stew: no idea about masquerading rules. can you give me any keyword to google with, please? |
| 07:00.01 | stew | xenosoz: use the ipmasq package |
| 07:00.10 | tarsin | thanks Supaplex |
| 07:00.24 | stew | xenosoz: if you want to read about masquerading, google for the 'masquerading howto' |
| 07:00.38 | stew | xenosoz: however, ipmasq should make things pretty simple for you |
| 07:00.39 | liable | hmm, icedove wont start |
| 07:00.56 | xenosoz | stew: then i'll try ipmasq package. thank you! |
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| 07:01.09 | noritr | why go through that hassle |
| 07:01.40 | wols_ | noritr: of? |
| 07:02.02 | noritr | just connect a switch to the internet modem |
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| 07:02.23 | wols_ | noritr: few ISPs give out whole subnets |
| 07:02.23 | stew | noritr: the computer he wants to get onto the internet is using a rfc1918 address, so he has to masquerade |
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| 07:04.49 | ktne | hello |
| 07:05.09 | ktne | what application should i use for yahoo messenger under linux? |
| 07:06.38 | hoxu | ktne, pidgin |
| 07:06.41 | Ger008 | pidgin |
| 07:06.56 | stew | bitlbee! |
| 07:07.34 | noritr | stew - you knew that from his post :[00:56] <xenosoz> `routes` on A says: http://211.45.111.42/~xenosoz/routes |
| 07:08.07 | stew | noritr: right |
| 07:08.07 | ktne | hoxu: thanks |
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| 07:08.32 | ktne | but i can't find any such package |
| 07:08.51 | hoxu | ktne, what debian version are you running? |
| 07:08.57 | \amethyst | ktne: it's called "gaim" in etch |
| 07:09.08 | \amethyst | ktne: it was renamed shortly after etch was released |
| 07:09.19 | \amethyst | ktne: you can also get pidgin from etch-backports |
| 07:09.25 | stew | (shortly after etch was frozen :P ) |
| 07:09.31 | \amethyst | oh, right |
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| 07:10.24 | DawnLight | yo, where is the lenny release status page? |
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| 07:11.23 | stew | DawnLight: http://wiki.debian.org/LennyReleaseGoals http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 07:11.48 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 07:24.44 | geyser | I can only get 800x600 resolution in lenny. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't even ask me for resolution (i think becauase it's xorg 7.3). my xorg.conf seems to be ignored. advice? |
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| 07:25.12 | sladi | which driver do zou use? |
| 07:25.21 | geyser | i tried vesa and nv |
| 07:25.25 | geyser | same with both |
| 07:25.46 | slxix | geyser: from what i heard, lenny ignores xorg.conf if it can autodetect. |
| 07:26.25 | geyser | slxix: so how do i a) make it autodetect 1280x1024 resolution, or b) disable autodetection? |
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| 07:27.41 | sladi | try vesa, it should at least work with higher resolution |
| 07:27.42 | sladi | did you edit your xorg.conf? |
| 07:27.42 | sladi | maybe post it in pastebin but you need to edit it because the defualt is pretty empty |
| 07:28.06 | geyser | i already tried vesa |
| 07:28.21 | slxix | i can't answer those questions. sorry. |
| 07:28.45 | geyser | but according to slxix xorg.conf is ignored; can i force using a specific configuration? |
| 07:28.56 | stew | geyser: it is not ignored |
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| 07:29.33 | stew | geyser: its just no longer necessary to specify anywhere near as much in xorg.conf as it used to be, but you should still be able to specify things if you need to override auto-detection |
| 07:29.50 | slxix | pays attention. |
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| 07:31.20 | geyser | where's xorgconfig? |
| 07:31.32 | stew | geyser: it was removed by upstream a whlie ago |
| 07:31.46 | geyser | ack |
| 07:31.49 | stew | geyser: "X -configure" should still work however |
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| 07:36.04 | alperbaba | hello i tried to install fuse but ./configure told me that " no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" what can i do? |
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| 07:36.48 | geyser | alperbaba: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 07:37.01 | geyser | isn't fuse in apt? |
| 07:37.16 | alperbaba | i cant find i synaptics |
| 07:37.17 | stew | alperbaba: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 07:37.32 | stew | its not in etch, but its on backports.org for etch |
| 07:39.50 | geyser | jesus christ i got whiskey on my keyboard |
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| 07:40.55 | slxix | don't drink and irc. :) |
| 07:41.14 | alperbaba | geyser:apt-get install build-essential does work thanks :) |
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| 07:49.23 | geyser | stew: thanks for the X -configure tip. i was able to hammer it into shape |
| 07:49.39 | geyser | now if only my mouse cursor would appear... how did i fix that last time... |
| 07:50.07 | stew | geyser: how is it attached? |
| 07:50.12 | stew | (usb? ps2?) |
| 07:50.19 | geyser | usb |
| 07:50.37 | stew | geyser: is the usbmouse kernel module loaded? are you using /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 07:50.57 | geyser | where would i find that out? |
| 07:51.09 | stew | geyser: lsmod and xorg.conf |
| 07:51.21 | geyser | i'm using /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf |
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| 07:51.52 | geyser | lsmod | grep mice gives me nothing |
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| 07:52.38 | stew | geyser: "lsmod | grep mouse" and "grep mice /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 07:53.04 | stew | geyser: you want "usbmouse" from the first and the second should give: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 07:53.25 | geyser | i'm getting psmouse for lsmod |
| 07:53.42 | buntfalke | then "modprobe usbmouse" |
| 07:54.00 | buntfalke | and rmmod psmouse, if unneeded |
| 07:54.36 | geyser | sorry, i think I misstated the question... it's only the mouse cursor that's not appearing |
| 07:54.41 | buntfalke | have a look at "ls /dev/input/" to check out which devices are found |
| 07:54.53 | geyser | ie, I can move it around and click in X, it's just invisible |
| 07:55.04 | buntfalke | Aaaah :-) |
| 07:55.06 | buntfalke | hm |
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| 07:55.15 | buntfalke | that's wierd. never had that. |
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| 07:55.33 | buntfalke | geyser: try to start a failsafe session |
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| 07:55.38 | geyser | which raises the question of why it was doing even that, considering usbmouse wasn't even loaded |
| 07:55.47 | buntfalke | with only an xterm and no kde/gnome or so |
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| 07:56.17 | buntfalke | maybe your bios emulates a psmouse for the usbmouse to support legacy software like dos |
| 07:56.19 | geyser | did that |
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| 07:57.23 | kantor | hi, I'v installed autopackage, but I want to remove now, and I don't know how because there is no such thing (remove script) in the program tarball |
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| 07:58.03 | alperbaba | i write my ntfs partitions on my fstab but it doesn't mount at start |
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| 07:58.35 | buntfalke | geyser: try to disable swcursor if not already done (some video drivers support that in xorg.conf) |
| 07:58.53 | alperbaba | "/dev/hda1 /mnt/c ntfs-3g defaults 0 0" this is what i write to fstab |
| 07:58.55 | buntfalke | or -the other way round - enable it, if it is off :-) |
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| 08:00.35 | geyser | ahhh, it was hwcursor |
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| 08:01.06 | IronRage | ok question |
| 08:01.09 | IronRage | i have wireless |
| 08:01.12 | wols_ | alperbaba: make sure fuse is loaded and use "auto" |
| 08:01.13 | IronRage | Lagbolt, ! |
| 08:01.16 | IronRage | i have wireless now |
| 08:01.19 | IronRage | the wlan0 is up |
| 08:01.25 | wols_ | !tell IronRage about enter |
| 08:01.25 | IronRage | but idk how to access the wireless |
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| 08:01.50 | wols_ | IronRage: install wireless-tools and read its docs |
| 08:01.51 | IronRage | wols_, :P |
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| 08:02.34 | alperbaba | wols_:how can i be sure about it |
| 08:02.51 | wols_ | put it in /etc/modules |
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| 08:03.54 | romano2k | i'm having trouble setting up LAMP with my Debian |
| 08:03.58 | romano2k | anyone can help? :) |
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| 08:04.19 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 08:04.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:04.22 | noritr | IronRage what wireless card are you using? |
| 08:04.35 | romano2k | all right |
| 08:04.37 | alperbaba | wols_:do i have to write fuse there? |
| 08:04.46 | romano2k | i aptitude installed apache2, php5, and mysql-server |
| 08:04.49 | romano2k | in several orders |
| 08:04.55 | romano2k | and mysql won't work with PHP |
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| 08:05.01 | wols_ | romano2k: dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 08:05.05 | IronRage | i'm using rtlk8187b-modified |
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| 08:05.47 | romano2k | wols_: libapache2-mod-php5, php5 and php5-common are installed |
| 08:05.57 | romano2k | ("ii") |
| 08:06.11 | wols_ | php5-mysql |
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| 08:06.51 | romano2k | okay wols_, installed |
| 08:06.59 | romano2k | now when i click on a .php file on my server |
| 08:07.07 | romano2k | my browser downloads it |
| 08:07.11 | romano2k | instead of displaying it |
| 08:07.18 | wols_ | 9!enter |
| 08:07.19 | romano2k | something's wrong with Apache but i don't know what |
| 08:07.20 | wols_ | !enter |
| 08:07.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:07.29 | wols_ | something's wrong with your enter key |
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| 08:07.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:07.35 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 08:07.39 | romano2k | sorry wols_, i won't do that again :) |
| 08:08.02 | IronRage | i |
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| 08:08.03 | IronRage | think |
| 08:08.06 | IronRage | the entry key |
| 08:08.07 | IronRage | is |
| 08:08.10 | IronRage | punctuation :P |
| 08:08.34 | wols_ | please stop it IronRage |
| 08:09.10 | romano2k | wols_: what should i do? |
| 08:09.39 | IronRage | wols_, one could ask nicely, and one could recieve results |
| 08:09.41 | IronRage | :) |
| 08:09.48 | Spots | hi all |
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| 08:09.52 | wols_ | IronRage: you should heed your own advice |
| 08:10.07 | Spots | I am trying to create a dial up connection in debian |
| 08:10.11 | slxix | this discussion is turning offtopic |
| 08:10.43 | IronRage | wols_, instead of using a bot to message me, perhaps just ask me yourself |
| 08:11.11 | Spots | i installed and hsfmodem package from .... |
| 08:12.26 | romano2k | still downloading the file instead of displaying it |
| 08:12.31 | romano2k | i don't know why |
| 08:12.38 | romano2k | can anybody help? |
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| 08:14.22 | slxix | romano2k: if the server is sending you a php file instead of html, then i would think the server is misconfigured... ? |
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| 08:15.36 | slxix | romano2k: is the server yours to reconfigure? |
| 08:16.25 | romano2k | sixix, what do you mean? |
| 08:16.43 | slxix | or, you're asking how to get firefox/lynx/dillo to display php files instead of downloading them |
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| 08:17.14 | agike | Hi, I seem to have a conflict between earlier and later cvs versions, which are dependencies of mplayer & other apps.The problem seems to be with 'www.debian-multimedia.org'www.debian-multimedia.org'www.debian-multimedia.org' which I think is Marillat'www.debian-multimedia.org's depository at UCLA. I have posted error msgs to http://www.pastebin.ca/1048926 .. at the moment I can only upgrade by using -f |
| 08:17.15 | agike | and when I delete the older cvs they reinstall on the next upgrade. Any ideas ? |
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| 08:17.52 | wols_ | remove the marillat packages. currently the only solution |
| 08:18.01 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.09 | wols_ | marillat+rest of debian sid (or lenny?) = boom |
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| 08:18.34 | agike | Thanks, I was thinking along those lines .. |
| 08:18.45 | geyser | is it possible to automount usb drives/cd drives in windows managers like fluxbox/ratpoison? |
| 08:18.51 | wols_ | agike: the d-m stuff is caused by d-m versions of a bunch of libraries having 3: epochs |
| 08:19.01 | wols_ | so v1.3 in d-m is newer than v1.5 in sid as far as dpkg is concerned, because 3:1.3 > 1.5 |
| 08:19.11 | wols_ | that's what someone else remarked about your problem |
| 08:19.22 | wols_ | !tell geyser about automount |
| 08:19.23 | slxix | romano2k: try a2enmod php5 |
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| 08:19.50 | romano2k | sixix: in fact it was just the php5.load and .conf that weren't linked in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 08:19.53 | romano2k | i don't why |
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| 08:20.00 | geyser | wols_: thanks |
| 08:20.13 | romano2k | thanks anyway |
| 08:20.17 | agike | wols: thanks |
| 08:20.18 | wols_ | geyser: ivman is IIRC the least X dependent of them |
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| 08:23.33 | Spots | ok, so can some one please walk me through creating a dial up connection? |
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| 08:24.07 | wols_ | Spots: good luck |
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| 08:25.49 | Jemt | What?! dpkg (the bot) just informed me that the nv driver for xOrg does not support DRI (Direct Rendering) which I need for Compiz. Is that really true? Both the i810 and ati driver does |
| 08:26.04 | Jemt | (for quite a few gfx cards..) |
| 08:26.12 | wols_ | Jemt: of course it's true. nv is strictly 2D _only_ |
| 08:26.14 | noritr | spots : http://www.aboutdebian.com/modems.htm |
| 08:26.29 | wols_ | !tell Jemt about nvidia |
| 08:26.31 | Jemt | wols_: Argh, what a shame. |
| 08:26.58 | wols_ | there are non-free drivers |
| 08:27.28 | Jemt | Yes, thanks. But it's for a commercial product so I would have wanted to use the open source drivers if I could |
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| 08:27.57 | toto | hi |
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| 08:32.55 | orveldv | guys, I recently found out that I can create my own file in /etc/modprobe.d and pass this way the options for the modules to be used/loaded at boot; however I'm a bit confused, I looked at the docs at debian.org and couldn't find modprobe.d ; is it deprecated? |
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| 08:34.45 | streuner | one is for 2.4.x kernels, the other for 2.6.x kernels... |
| 08:35.07 | streuner | HINT: etch/stable using only 2.6.x kernel |
| 08:35.09 | streuner | ... |
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| 08:36.51 | macoute | Jemt: but surely using nvidias proprietary drivers is allowed in a commercial product, too? |
| 08:37.25 | streuner | orveldv: why do you think you need play with that? |
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| 08:37.43 | macoute | you dont need to pay ms more for windows if you were using it for commercial photoshop-editing, do you? |
| 08:37.51 | streuner | orveldv: just give options to /etc/modules |
| 08:38.09 | Jemt | macoute: That's true |
| 08:38.19 | streuner | orveldv: read man modprobe about |
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| 08:38.26 | tengulre | anybody here known ipsec? |
| 08:38.28 | tengulre | I want to using FIFO mode instead trunel mode in ipsec, is that possible? |
| 08:38.38 | noritr | strongswan? |
| 08:38.40 | Jemt | macoute: Hm, I think we will contact them to hear what's allowed and what's not. At least the user probably have to accept some sort of agreement from nVidia |
| 08:38.52 | Jemt | .. before using the driver |
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| 08:39.24 | orveldv | streuner: I have 2 soundcards and I needed the modules to be loaded in a particular order (passing index=0); yes, I tried /etc/modules, it didn't work, but it worked in the way I mentioned previously |
| 08:39.45 | macoute | Jemt: thats true |
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| 08:40.14 | Jemt | macoute: Thanks for the input :) |
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| 08:40.30 | macoute | Jemt: no problem :) |
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| 08:43.20 | rm_you | I'm having issues getting the UUID for one of my partitions... any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/1048938 |
| 08:48.04 | enouf | you don't need a uuid for swap it's not mounted |
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| 08:49.27 | enouf | try ~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 08:50.01 | enouf | and udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdc2: |
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| 08:53.30 | enouf | orveldv: ~$ man 5 modprobe.conf |
| 08:54.04 | enouf | orveldv: modinfo modulename .. look at the lines starting with parms |
| 08:55.46 | rm_you | enouf: it's for initramfs resume |
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| 08:56.43 | rm_you | trying to fix /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 08:56.50 | rm_you | with the UUID for my swap partition |
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| 08:57.58 | rm_you | i guess i have to make one with uuidgen? |
| 08:58.08 | geyser | can anyone suggest a standalone gui file manager? |
| 08:58.45 | rm_you | geyser: i like thunar, which is technically part of xfce4 but i think you can just install it by itself? or is that not the kind of thing you need |
| 08:58.46 | noritr | emelfm2 is fabulous |
| 08:59.12 | geyser | never heard of either... will try both, thanks |
| 08:59.27 | noritr | don't forget xpdf, feh and dillo |
| 08:59.37 | rm_you | xpdf = pdf viewer? >_> |
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| 08:59.49 | rm_you | the one I use on a regular basis <_< |
| 08:59.56 | noritr | with non of the adobe bugs |
| 08:59.59 | dmseg | hey, jigdo is nice |
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| 09:00.52 | noritr | workfm2 for gui file manager is still a bit primitive - and then there is mc for console and gui |
| 09:01.14 | geyser | is emelfm2 in apt? |
| 09:01.17 | nocti | anybody expert on joomla here? sorry #joomla channel is asleep. |
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| 09:02.01 | IronRage | nocti |
| 09:02.04 | IronRage | what ya need help with? |
| 09:02.14 | IronRage | knows a bit about joomla |
| 09:02.53 | dmseg | <nocti> what is JOOMLA |
| 09:02.53 | noritr | that it is a bad fad that will die in a year? |
| 09:03.08 | wols_ | !tell nocti about they don't know |
| 09:03.15 | nocti | IronRage, i installed joomla on a separate directory from the root (htdocs/joomla/) but i want it to appear whenever i open http://localhost not http://localhost/joomla. is there a way to do that? |
| 09:03.23 | IronRage | uh ya |
| 09:03.29 | IronRage | install it on the main directory duh |
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| 09:03.41 | rm_you | how would I remake the swap file on my machine? |
| 09:03.50 | wols_ | rm_you: mkswap |
| 09:03.58 | rm_you | right, but it is busy, because it is in use |
| 09:04.06 | wols_ | nocti: reconfigure your virtual hosts |
| 09:04.07 | nocti | ok thanks anyway. nothing on google too. |
| 09:04.15 | nocti | wols_ :) |
| 09:04.29 | wols_ | why do you laugh? it's not funny |
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| 09:04.40 | rm_you | needing to remake the swap on a live system |
| 09:05.04 | wols_ | rm_you: and? |
| 09:05.09 | rm_you | Haruka:~# mkswap /dev/sdc2 |
| 09:05.09 | rm_you | /dev/sdc2: Device or resource busy |
| 09:05.14 | rm_you | because it is in use as swap >_> |
| 09:05.15 | noritr | swapoff |
| 09:05.17 | wols_ | disable your swap, remake it, re enable it |
| 09:05.20 | rm_you | noritr: thanks |
| 09:05.35 | wols_ | nocti: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 09:06.10 | nocti | wols_, thanks not laughing but i can't fiddle with the server. i just have an ftp account on it. |
| 09:06.12 | nocti | thanks anyway |
| 09:06.23 | geyser | thunar's pretty nice |
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| 09:07.50 | rm_you | I like most of xfce4 :) |
| 09:08.12 | rm_you | but yeah, thunar is my favorite of the mainstream file managers, esp over nautilus >_> |
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| 09:10.45 | moogle | I really like wmii |
| 09:10.50 | moogle | ;) |
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| 09:16.42 | orveldv | enouf: thank you. |
| 09:17.36 | enouf | orveldv: np |
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| 09:20.27 | alleyoopster | can anyone help out with this problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=154918 ? thanks |
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| 09:21.52 | themill | alleyoopster: what kernel? (uname -r) |
| 09:22.36 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 09:22.42 | alleyoopster | themill: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 09:24.02 | themill | alleyoopster: have you installed the firmware package? /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
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| 09:24.34 | themill | alleyoopster: btw what's this pb5 module? |
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| 09:27.19 | alleyoopster | themill: it is an rfswitch to switch the wifi on, i think i need it http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:27.33 | themill | alleyoopster: ahh. I see. |
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| 09:28.37 | themill | alleyoopster: So have you installed the firmware package? |
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| 09:29.52 | alleyoopster | themill: i installed firmware-iwlwifi which i think is the right one |
| 09:30.05 | themill | alleyoopster: Yes. That's fine. |
| 09:30.29 | themill | alleyoopster: Is the /etc/network/interfaces you posted the one you actually have or did the forum munge the indentation? |
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| 09:32.05 | yangp | I am getting installation error for "at" - http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7042/ |
| 09:32.08 | yopyop | i have problem with grub during kernel update : when i installed the etch, during install, i saw my raid as sdb and sdc, it putted the floppy or cd as sda. just after install, it failled to boot cause he was attempting to mount sdb1 as root, but device named change to sda and sdb, sdb is my data raid. i changed sdb to sda in menu.list, device.map, everywhere i could find sdb in /boot/grub/. i just updated kernel, during the upgrade, grub see |
| 09:32.08 | yopyop | ms to have been reinstall to sdb not sda. where can i find config for this ? i have to boot on my data raid to get a grub menu at boot. that's work but i dont like that |
| 09:32.22 | alleyoopster | themill: it looks good, there is no indents from what i can see |
| 09:35.01 | themill | alleyoopster: then it doesn't look good. That won't help. man 5 interfaces for the correct format. But that may be another problem if you're not getting scan results at present. |
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| 09:36.04 | wols_ | yopyop: reinstall grub yourself. see grub-install |
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| 09:36.27 | anddam | hi, |
| 09:37.12 | alleyoopster | themill: will correct indents, but i tried without using ifup and got same problem |
| 09:37.16 | ShredZ | Is there some preference to make xulrunner release unneeded memory from a page (e.g. a page with a ton of wasteful javascripts going on) when leaving it ? |
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| 09:37.45 | themill | alleyoopster: can you pastebin the output of "iwconfig -a" |
| 09:37.52 | wols_ | alleyoopster: check syslog |
| 09:37.54 | anddam | avahi-daemon is keeping my ibook name busy and when the ibook awakes it complaints about it, I'm not able to find any timeout or cache related config entry in avahi-daemon.conf, what should I search for? |
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| 09:38.17 | anddam | avahi-daemon is running on the lenny box connected to ibook via ethernet |
| 09:38.28 | yopyop | wols, yes but i guess there is somewhere in config that grub must be install to sdb, i want to know where, i was thinking that dpkg keep that info somewhere |
| 09:39.26 | alleyoopster | themill: iwconfig -a ? |
| 09:39.28 | wols_ | the only possible place would be the debconf |
| 09:39.45 | themill | alleyoopster: gah... just iwconfig |
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| 09:40.41 | ArthurArchnix | Re there plugins avaiable to tag files in nautilus? |
| 09:41.18 | ArthurArchnix | Not the emblems... I mean create some tags, tag documents, pictures, videos... |
| 09:41.37 | enouf | yopyop: the #groot= entry in menu.lst can be important |
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| 09:44.59 | enouf | yopyop: you have to realize grub uses (hdX,X) to describe sda1, sdc5, sdb3, hde4, etc in many places - these have to match .. i hope that's still all etch and grub-legacy (0.97+), not grub2 |
| 09:44.59 | ArthurArchnix | here's more info... http://njpatel.blogspot.com/2007/02/nautilus-metadata-love-at-first-sight.html |
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| 09:49.33 | alleyoopster | themill: i have put them at the end of the forum post and on http://debian.pastebin.com/d7bb016cf |
| 09:49.41 | yopyop | enouf, but my device.map is good, so hd(0,0) point to sda |
| 09:51.01 | enouf | yopyop: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW-VERSION |
| 09:51.17 | alleyoopster | themill: i noticed it received the default ip 169.254.7.210 in the syslog |
| 09:51.55 | enouf | yopyop: and maybe run update-grub, man that; and you didn't find #groot= entry yet, eh? |
| 09:52.05 | wols_ | !tell yopyop about UUID |
| 09:52.44 | enouf | no comment about which grub it is either, eh? ok |
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| 09:53.17 | yopyop | that's grub etch default version |
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| 09:53.52 | yopyop | it happend when dpkg which configure kernel update ran update-grub |
| 09:54.09 | themill | alleyoopster: I suspect that just means that dhclient gave up and made something up for you. |
| 09:54.14 | yopyop | and my groot point to hd(0,0) with hd0 to sda |
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| 09:54.45 | wols_ | yopyop: new kernels will NOT install new grub versions |
| 09:55.10 | yopyop | since install done, my drive has correct order, so i guess i dont need to deal with uuid |
| 09:55.15 | wols_ | all they do is chaninge menu.lst to add the new kernel, nothing else. if you have a sda/sdb mixup problem, read the factoid I made dpkg tell you |
| 09:55.20 | alleyoopster | themill: that would make sense |
| 09:55.28 | wols_ | yopyop: it can happen again any time |
| 09:55.50 | wols_ | themill: yes. 169.x.x.x. is the "could not get dhcp offer" default IP |
| 09:56.01 | kripz | do i have to do anything special if i want to install debian on a LVM volume? is it part of the installer? |
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| 09:56.17 | alleyoopster | themill: same as windows |
| 09:56.31 | wols_ | kripz: probably the "expert" install option. /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:57.05 | yopyop | i know it can happen any time, but it happend only one time during the install, since i changed config after the install, my drives always had correct order, that's why i'm thinking it must be somewhere in config, that during install grub was install to sdb. |
| 09:58.12 | alleyoopster | themill: i wonder if it is a problem with the rfswitch |
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| 09:58.39 | yopyop | ill finish it later, thanks for help wols_ and enouf |
| 09:58.47 | themill | alleyoopster: If you're not seeing any scan results and dmesg is showing the driver load ok on rmmod/modprobe then that's the next place to look. |
| 09:58.49 | NoxIn | yopyop: I had the same problem when installing from an usb device, wich was detected as sda, hd0 for grub, and my raid array was hd1 ... then after reboot, usb device was no longer here and raid was hd0 |
| 09:58.57 | themill | alleyoopster: But I suspect you'll have to ask them about it. |
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| 09:59.11 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:59.17 | asdzxc | how can i permanently enable ip_forward ? |
| 09:59.20 | badar | I've created a cron job (like /etc/cron.d/awstats) for 5 minutes, but it doesn't work. Does /etc/init.d/cron needs to be started for my job to run? |
| 09:59.28 | NoxIn | asdzxc: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:59.37 | asdzxc | thnx |
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| 09:59.45 | yopyop | NoxIn, but once you correct it, did grub tried to install to another device than the one you described as hd(0,0) |
| 09:59.46 | yopyop | ? |
| 10:00.23 | NoxIn | yopyop: no, all I had to do in to do a grub-install hd0 after having removed the usb device |
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| 10:01.11 | NoxIn | but I guess I 'all have problems again if I reboot with an usb-cdrom plugged or something like that |
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| 10:01.41 | wols_ | yopyop: grub ONLY installs if you do something with grub itself. installing a kernel does NOT mangle your grub itself. NEVER |
| 10:01.56 | alleyoopster | themill: ill do that, thanks for your time dude, apprieciated |
| 10:02.42 | themill | no worries. Happy hunting. |
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| 10:08.56 | moogle | @wols_: you sad that, installing a other kernel-version with apt doesn't install grub, or? - On the other hand apt edits your /boot/grub/menu.lst if you've installed grub, or? |
| 10:09.56 | wols_ | moogle: installing grub != editing menu.lst |
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| 10:10.21 | moogle | is it? |
| 10:10.44 | moogle | I don't know it quite for sure... - There are two symbolic links in a debian root directory... |
| 10:10.44 | wols_ | and the most that could happen with a mangled menu.lst is that you only get a "grub>" prompt. NOT that it boots from another partition or such |
| 10:11.05 | wols_ | also, more likely you'd just get non woeking kernel entries but a still showing menu.lst |
| 10:11.16 | wols_ | moogle: what about them? |
| 10:11.22 | moogle | thats absolutely right. |
| 10:11.26 | wols_ | they are for the kernel. what has the kernel to do with grub? |
| 10:11.33 | moogle | Normaly you haven't to change menu.lst because of that symbolic links. |
| 10:11.41 | wols_ | moogle: not true |
| 10:11.51 | moogle | Yes? |
| 10:11.55 | wols_ | those links are more of a legacy thing. never used anymore |
| 10:12.03 | moogle | ah, okay... |
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| 10:12.37 | gener1c | hey , anybody knows hows the totem support channel called? |
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| 10:12.41 | moogle | I must confess that I used them in my menu.lst |
| 10:12.48 | gener1c | ok xine |
| 10:12.50 | wols_ | debian doesn't by default |
| 10:12.57 | moogle | thats right... |
| 10:13.02 | moogle | x-) |
| 10:13.10 | azeem | gener1c: there's none, you can try to ask here or in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 10:13.20 | gener1c | ok |
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| 10:14.12 | gener1c | i am having probs playing foreign subtitles , the font is wrong or something because i get stars instead of letters |
| 10:14.19 | gener1c | problems* |
| 10:14.34 | azeem | gener1c: maybe the encoding of the subtitle file is wrong or corrupt |
| 10:15.08 | gener1c | alot of people tried it and its still on the site |
| 10:15.10 | noritr | i'll bet mplayer won't give you stars for subtitles |
| 10:15.34 | Gryfelhas | someone with a hint for a webcam, that runs out of the box with debian etch? |
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| 10:16.20 | gener1c | ok i found the font in the preferences |
| 10:16.25 | gener1c | ill try to change it |
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| 10:18.14 | gener1c | argh |
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| 10:20.01 | gener1c | ok ill try mplayer |
| 10:20.35 | gener1c | noritr, what are the names of the mplayer repos? |
| 10:20.53 | gener1c | adresses* |
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| 10:21.01 | azeem | gener1c: mplayer is in debian |
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| 10:21.03 | wols_ | gener1c: debian.org |
| 10:21.15 | gener1c | O/O |
| 10:21.20 | gener1c | cool? |
| 10:21.24 | ArthurArchnix | mmm....anyone know of good debian instructions to get open solarus's nimbus theme installed? |
| 10:21.29 | ArthurArchnix | Lot's of ubuntu packages |
| 10:21.33 | ArthurArchnix | nothing debian specific |
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| 10:22.48 | gener1c | I <3 aptitude |
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| 10:23.06 | gener1c | they should make a T-shirt for it |
| 10:24.29 | zizzfizzix | i agree! |
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| 10:29.14 | Widget | hi all... anyone know what version of debian would have been released around 1998 lol ? I got an old laptop I wanna make into a media type player.. just to listen to mp3s and watch some clips |
| 10:29.44 | orveldv | Widget: how old? I assume woody will do |
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| 10:30.12 | Widget | its an old P2 366 i think.. pretty sure came with win98 |
| 10:30.27 | moogle | i agree woody is just perfect... |
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| 10:30.49 | masus | does anyone have install tapioca on debian etch ? |
| 10:30.52 | Widget | how is it when it comes to playing/settings up media files/players ? |
| 10:31.02 | orveldv | Widget: you can install damn small linux though, it's pretty much woody, but with a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:31.05 | anddam | Widget: why not just install etch? |
| 10:31.14 | Widget | wats etch? |
| 10:31.21 | wols_ | Widget: depends on the clips. 266 is awfully slow for video |
| 10:31.37 | Widget | true |
| 10:31.49 | wols_ | with my 266, the only thing I could play a normal 350MB mpeg4 file was with vlc. no other videoplayer (choppy) |
| 10:31.58 | anddam | Widget: debian 4.0 |
| 10:32.11 | wols_ | Widget: how muchr RAM on this laptop? |
| 10:32.21 | Widget | 64MB ram atm |
| 10:32.36 | wols_ | doable, but 128 would be better |
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| 10:32.53 | wols_ | use etch and a very lightweight windowmanager. no gnome, kde or xfce |
| 10:33.00 | wols_ | use icewem, windowmaker, fluxbox, etc |
| 10:33.12 | moogle | Isn't it to less to use x? - Icewm is much windows-alike |
| 10:33.13 | anddam | has woody advantages over etch on such hardware? |
| 10:33.34 | wols_ | yes, current debian. supported debian |
| 10:34.14 | asdzxc | when i do: |
| 10:34.14 | wols_ | debian is not windows where you need lots of CPU. CPU is almost irrelevant if you use the proper packages. RAM otoh is very important |
| 10:34.24 | asdzxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.25 | asdzxc | and then |
| 10:34.30 | asdzxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.38 | asdzxc | my eth0 iface don't come up |
| 10:34.41 | wols_ | enter |
| 10:34.43 | asdzxc | what's wrong ? |
| 10:34.52 | Widget | so u reckon go with etch? |
| 10:34.54 | asdzxc | it will come up after reboot |
| 10:35.09 | moogle | Isnt 64MB ram to less to run Xorg? |
| 10:35.38 | anddam | guys, any hint about the avahi problem? it seems it should be related to avahi-dnsconfigd but I don't have that package.. |
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| 10:35.54 | Widget | i ran it earlier on a pupptlinux cd.. though i dunno if it was too high for pc to handle or slow cd rom |
| 10:36.02 | Widget | puppylinux* |
| 10:36.08 | moogle | I have an PIII with 800MHz 256RAM - ground-system + wmii + xorg = ~ 100MB RAM |
| 10:36.15 | moogle | I'm using Etch... |
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| 10:36.39 | wols_ | moogle: I have a 265/120MB lappi. works with Xorg+wmaker+firefox |
| 10:36.56 | wols_ | and I have around 50-60MB used when only wmaker is open IIRC |
| 10:37.07 | wols_ | moogle: you have to slim it down yes, but easily doable |
| 10:37.13 | daya | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2, I got this error |
| 10:37.33 | daya | was corrupt |
| 10:37.49 | anddam | I too have a 256Mb box and it's running vncserver |
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| 10:40.16 | alleyoopster | anyone know of a system tray update notifier for apt for kde? |
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| 10:41.08 | asdzxc | after restarting network (/etc/init.d/networking restart) my eth0 interface don't come up |
| 10:41.14 | asdzxc | what's wrong ? |
| 10:41.19 | asdzxc | how can i find the problem ? |
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| 10:41.52 | visik7 | asdzxc: ifup eth0 ? |
| 10:42.01 | themill | alleyoopster: update-notifier. Don't use adept whatever you do. |
| 10:42.15 | asdzxc | visik7 but why it don't come up automaticaly ? |
| 10:42.24 | asdzxc | visik7 what if i restart network remotely ? |
| 10:42.35 | visik7 | asdzxc: BAAAD practice |
| 10:42.37 | masus | asdzxc: add a line at the top auto eth0 to your interfaces file |
| 10:42.39 | alleyoopster | themill: that needs the gnome libs? |
| 10:42.56 | themill | alleyoopster: yeah, but you'll have them anyway most likely... |
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| 10:43.09 | alleyoopster | themill: ok thanks |
| 10:43.16 | wols_ | asdzxc: how should we know? we don't see any error messages yet... |
| 10:43.39 | asdzxc | wols_ me too |
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| 10:43.44 | asdzxc | masus looks like this works |
| 10:43.53 | wols_ | then maybe you should go and look? |
| 10:43.54 | alleyoopster | themill: whats wrong with adept? |
| 10:44.04 | wols_ | syslog, ifup eth0 error messages, etc |
| 10:44.07 | asdzxc | wols_ i was looking everywhere |
| 10:44.10 | asdzxc | wols_ no error |
| 10:44.26 | asdzxc | wols_ but masus advice seems to be working |
| 10:44.40 | themill | alleyoopster: /msg dpkg adept |
| 10:44.59 | NoxIn | asdzxc: past your /etc/network/interface on pastebin |
| 10:45.29 | asdzxc | NoxIn wait a sec, i'm testing what masus said |
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| 10:46.07 | alleyoopster | themill: i like the bit " It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning." |
| 10:46.21 | NoxIn | oops didn't see what massus said :) |
| 10:46.52 | themill | alleyoopster: yeah, that sort of says it all |
| 10:48.09 | moogle | @widget: 64MB will work: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en - It works with Debian ETCH and then it absolutely will work with WOODY... |
| 10:48.14 | asdzxc | NoxIn ok, it's working now |
| 10:48.17 | asdzxc | thnx to all |
| 10:48.19 | asdzxc | masus thnx |
| 10:48.22 | masus | np |
| 10:48.23 | trifler | So at work I don't want them to logg what im surfing so I want to set up something at home to "hide" it so im thinking openvpn, but do I need anything else like a webproxy? |
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| 10:50.51 | Widget | cool, thanx moogle :) |
| 10:51.34 | fireba11 | pokes woody with a stick -- locks dead to me .. |
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| 10:52.37 | DASPRiD | that's not nice fireball :> |
| 10:52.47 | cmanns | Hey guys |
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| 10:53.06 | cmanns | How would I make all my internet requests from my computer go through one of my debian servers :S |
| 10:53.33 | anddam | cmanns: you need to configure gateway on your computer |
| 10:53.40 | cmanns | This computer runs windows, I know I can make a ssh tunnel :/ |
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| 10:54.24 | cmanns | I'm tryin to play a game and it connected to fast and banned me from the server so I want to appear as my server so I can try to play again, how'd i make this gateway? |
| 10:54.26 | NoxIn | trifler: http://www.torproject.org/ |
| 10:55.08 | anddam | cmanns: has the server ad different ip address on internet? |
| 10:55.17 | cmanns | Yeah |
| 10:55.19 | themill | cmanns: either set up an openvpn client on your windoze machine with a server on your debian machine, or if you just want web traffic, try using localhost:8080 as the proxy in your browser and run a proxy server on your debian machine with an ssh tunnel between. |
| 10:55.21 | anddam | bad question |
| 10:55.34 | anddam | has the debian box a different ip address on internet? |
| 10:55.46 | cmanns | themill, I'd do that but the game doesnt have proxy options |
| 10:55.58 | cmanns | So I need it to send the traffic to another gateway or w/e |
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| 10:56.04 | cmanns | yeah its a remote server andash |
| 10:56.07 | cmanns | addam |
| 10:56.10 | Widget | hmm.. cant find woody on local server.. only sarge and lenny |
| 10:56.26 | anddam | ah ok, so vpn |
| 10:56.28 | Widget | HA!.. Toy Story (just got it lol) |
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| 10:56.45 | anddam | I tought they were physically connected |
| 10:57.03 | cmanns | hmm |
| 10:57.12 | cmanns | How'd I make a vpn server on my box? |
| 10:57.26 | cmanns | easy? |
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| 10:57.54 | Widget | hmm.. woody was V3.0 wasnt it ? |
| 10:59.52 | anddam | bye |
| 11:00.21 | dr-evil | is there anyone who have a bycycle? |
| 11:01.03 | Greyscale | FINALLY |
| 11:01.04 | Greyscale | Fucking hell, whats wrong with my BNC |
| 11:02.10 | dr-evil | bnc ) heh.... I forgot about it ) |
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| 11:02.18 | dr-evil | it was about 7 years ago.... |
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| 11:04.39 | Widget | hmm.. finally found Woody on internode server but cant find the iso :S |
| 11:05.53 | alleyoopster | themill: does update-notifier still exist on lenny? i cant find it |
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| 11:07.35 | mns | The default route on my laptop keeps getting dropped quiet regularly. The frequency of the drops keeps increasing as time goes on. Anyone seen this or have any ideas how to solve it ? This was not happening before. This has been happening for the last couple of months now. |
| 11:07.59 | wols_ | mns: dhcp lease expired? |
| 11:08.10 | wols_ | !woody |
| 11:08.10 | dpkg | well, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 11:09.38 | mns | wols: I'll have to check that, but the frequency of the drops would be regular then. |
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| 11:10.39 | Widget | thanx for link :D |
| 11:11.04 | rgr | Where are ones crontab entries stored? I know I can edit it using crontab -e but after that where does the system store them? |
| 11:12.03 | themill | alleyoopster: erm... no. it's only in sid. |
| 11:12.12 | themill | dpkg: why is update-notifier not in testing |
| 11:12.12 | dpkg | update-notifier is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=update-notifier |
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| 11:13.03 | themill | alleyoopster: because update-maanger is also a buggy POS by the looks of it. |
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| 11:13.16 | themill | alleyoopster: cron-apt works :) |
| 11:13.23 | alleyoopster | themill: the is apt-watch also |
| 11:14.11 | alleyoopster | themill: i just needed something i can leave in the hands of someone non tech |
| 11:14.22 | kringalf | rgr: i think /var/spool/cron |
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| 11:14.43 | Widget | eee.. which binary ? |
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| 11:15.10 | themill | alleyoopster: lenny isn't the best for that though. |
| 11:16.35 | alleyoopster | themill: maybe your right, i was hoping as it is a new install i could use lenny, but maybe stable would be better |
| 11:17.05 | themill | alleyoopster: lenny is starting to stablise but there's still a lot of things changing on a daily basis. |
| 11:17.33 | Sysctl___ | is there any reason why, when installing debian etch and partitioning your drives with lvm encrytion, the formatting of your lvm drive takes so long when you have a large drive (ie 250 gb sata)? |
| 11:17.45 | alleyoopster | themill: ok, i should play safe then |
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| 11:18.38 | mns | wols_: I just checked, my dhcp lease time is 864000, and the default route keeps dropping way before that. I don't think it has anything to do with dhcp lease expiring, etc. |
| 11:18.38 | themill | alleyoopster: yes, that might be a better plan. You could then set cron-apt to automatically install security updates. |
| 11:19.19 | mns | !cron-apt |
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| 11:20.11 | cafuego | Sysctl___: Writing lots of backup superblocks |
| 11:20.23 | cafuego | Sysctl___: And yes, *ESPECIALLY* with encryption. |
| 11:20.52 | cafuego | Coz now it has to encrypt all thsoe superblocks before writing to disk. |
| 11:21.08 | cafuego | And it cna't simply use the cache, it *has* to flush to actual hardware |
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| 11:25.20 | themill | dpkg: auto update is <reply> Various updaters and notifiers are available within Debian that will tell you when new packages are available and optionally download and install them for you. For unattended, scriptable updates using cron, have a look at cron-apt. For desktop notification, try update-notifier or ask me about <apt-watch> or <adept>. |
| 11:25.21 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 11:25.59 | Sysctl___ | cafuego: thanks for that info, i was wondering, because when I installed ubuntu server with same options on another high capacity machine, it didnt take more than a fwe minutes, so maybe they're doing it wrong |
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| 11:36.08 | EvilSide | hey, I'm running on debian unstable, using kde4 from debian experimental repo's. Anyone know how to upgrade kde4 packages, when the newer versions are available? |
| 11:37.36 | fireba11 | uah |
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| 11:42.32 | alleyoopster | themill: cheers,yes i'll go with cron-apt |
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| 11:55.45 | larsl | Are there any decent document editors that can open ODT files except OpenOffice.org? oowriter is so unstable with large files that it would be funny if I didn't need to get this finished. |
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| 11:56.28 | ruben | Hello, compiling, what is the way to include for example, /usr/local/include path? |
| 11:56.47 | visik7 | ruben: -I |
| 11:57.11 | ruben | ./configure -I/usr/local/include ? |
| 11:57.14 | visik7 | no |
| 11:57.16 | visik7 | gcc -I |
| 11:57.23 | visik7 | ./configure has another syntax |
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| 11:57.37 | ruben | well, is a package, maybe I need a var or something |
| 11:58.06 | visik7 | ./configure --help |
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| 11:58.25 | visik7 | something about flags don't remember exactly |
| 11:58.35 | visik7 | env var |
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| 12:08.14 | cafuego | Sysctl___: As soon as someone says "encrypted filesystem" as fara s I'm concerned all performance goes out the door. |
| 12:10.56 | jelly | hardware assisted symmetric ciphers! |
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| 12:21.42 | badar | What is the command to show all the programs running, and on what port they run? |
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| 12:22.49 | slxix | netstat -anp ? |
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| 12:23.12 | Trewas | encryption overhead is not that bad with modern processors, full HD speeds are easy, but that http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8020 destroyed writing with many kernel versions (the bug has nothing to do with reiserfs) |
| 12:24.17 | badar | slxix, too big list, how to icnlude only results with specific name? |
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| 12:25.26 | JyZyXEL | what does the word overhead mean= |
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| 12:26.07 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: #englishdictionary |
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| 12:26.17 | JyZyXEL | wols_ but like in this contents |
| 12:26.39 | wols_ | badar: netstat |
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| 12:27.54 | amolv | I have installed a new tasksel |
| 12:28.12 | amolv | but how to test whether it will show the correct changes |
| 12:28.22 | JyZyXEL | it prolly means that somekind of queue is forming |
| 12:28.28 | JyZyXEL | and that causes latency |
| 12:28.28 | wols_ | what changes? |
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| 12:28.43 | amolv | wols_, I added a tsak in tasks folder |
| 12:28.47 | amolv | wols_, for xen |
| 12:28.56 | wols_ | amolv: run tasksel |
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| 12:29.05 | wols_ | if it shows up, you have succeeded |
| 12:29.07 | amolv | wols_, yes I ran |
| 12:29.17 | amolv | but it shows the same old one |
| 12:29.40 | amolv | wols_, do i need to restart the machine |
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| 12:30.35 | Trewas | JyZyXEL: if you are asking because of my comment, with encrypted partition overhead means the extra processing which is needed compared to using plain non-encrypted partition |
| 12:30.38 | amolv | wols_, ? |
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| 12:31.13 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 12:31.27 | wols_ | no |
| 12:33.26 | slxix | badar: netstat -anp | grep specificname |
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| 12:35.48 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! What happens if an old version of a package contains a given conffile, but the new version does not, and the conffile has not been modified by the user when upgrading? Does dpkg stop tracking the file /and leave it on the filesystem/? |
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| 12:41.44 | _|Nix|_ | OK ... sounds like the file is only removed if the package is purged. |
| 12:42.11 | JyZyXEL | conf files are only removed when purging |
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| 12:49.27 | unlink | is there any way i can install a single local deb package and automatically resolve dependencies? |
| 12:50.19 | abrotman | unlink: dpkg -i foo.deb && aptitude -f install |
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| 12:51.12 | unlink | abrotman: do you mean ;? |
| 12:51.22 | abrotman | either technically works |
| 12:51.27 | unlink | the aptitude line will never run in that case |
| 12:51.44 | unlink | unless the package has no uninstalled dependencies |
| 12:52.07 | abrotman | okay .. so adjust it |
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| 12:54.00 | JyZyXEL | can debian installer install to USB devices? |
| 12:54.22 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 12:54.23 | dpkg | [usb install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 12:59.26 | Visagalis | x86_64 means program is working like 32bit but adobted to work on 64bit? |
| 13:01.16 | Visagalis | AHOYYYYYY |
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| 13:02.13 | pasky | x86_64 is just a 64bit architecture |
| 13:02.35 | Visagalis | thats means it will not be able to use all 8gb rams? |
| 13:02.54 | Visagalis | because mysql version says x86_64 and it stucks at: 3478m |
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| 13:03.52 | zxxxd | what does allow-hotplug in interfaces do? |
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| 13:03.52 | Visagalis | i need to install pure 64bit mysql client to make it able use more then 3478m right? |
| 13:03.52 | Visagalis | mysql server* |
| 13:03.52 | Visagalis | pasky yes? |
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| 13:06.07 | abrotman | zxxxd: man interfaces |
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| 13:06.13 | abrotman | Visagalis: no |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | !bigmem |
| 13:06.17 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
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| 13:06.47 | Visagalis | but ..... abrotman bigmem not allows program to use more then 3.4gb |
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| 13:07.01 | abrotman | maybe it's a program limitation ? |
| 13:07.18 | wols_ | Visagalis: you could also run a 64bit kernel and a 64bit chroot for mysql only |
| 13:07.23 | Visagalis | yes, but that can be caused by x86_64 |
| 13:07.26 | Visagalis | or not? |
| 13:07.28 | wols_ | abrotman: linux kernel/memory model limitation |
| 13:07.30 | Visagalis | i'm talking about mysql |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | wols_: a single process can't address more than 4gb ? |
| 13:07.54 | Visagalis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.01 | abrotman | get a real DB :) |
| 13:08.04 | wols_ | it _can_, if you use segmented memory in protected mode |
| 13:08.08 | Visagalis | wow@wow:~$ mysqld --version |
| 13:08.08 | Visagalis | mysqld Ver 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3-log for pc-linux-gnu on x86_64 (Debian etch distribution) |
| 13:08.17 | abrotman | Visagalis: ask #ubuntu .. go away |
| 13:08.19 | wols_ | however if you use flat memory mode as all x86 OSes do, you can't |
| 13:08.23 | Visagalis | i'm on debian |
| 13:08.32 | abrotman | you're using ubuntu mysql packages .. |
| 13:08.37 | Visagalis | oh sorry xD |
| 13:08.40 | zxxxd | abrotman, i did that |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | Visagalis: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us |
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| 13:08.57 | Visagalis | wow@wow:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:08.57 | Visagalis | ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:09.01 | Visagalis | damn :D |
| 13:09.07 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 13:09.13 | Visagalis | ok, :) |
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| 13:09.53 | NoxIn | zxxxd: I think it's only revellant if you have the hotplug package ... I'am not quite sure of what it do but probably automatising the ifup and ifdown of the interface when you plug or unplugged a card (pcmcia network card for instance. |
| 13:10.05 | abrotman | well .. hotplug has been replaced |
| 13:10.10 | wols_ | hotplug is deprecated |
| 13:10.11 | abrotman | but it still applies |
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| 13:10.40 | NoxIn | zxxxd: anyway I always suppres it and put my interfaces in "auto ..." |
| 13:11.06 | abrotman | zxxxd: the allow-hotplug is useful for removable network devices .. like pcmcia and/or usb |
| 13:13.12 | zxxxd | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 and justlinux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 13:13.20 | zxxxd | the package description say EXActly the same |
| 13:14.59 | neo2dot0 | I think Ive messed up my lenny system in a test run of kde4: I followed these instructions (http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html), tested it a bit, then uninstalled kde4 again. Then I disabled the additional package repositories. Now, amarok gives me an error: amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libcares.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:15.19 | neo2dot0 | any hints on how to resolve this one? |
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| 13:16.57 | themill | neo2dot0: you could look for obsolete packages to see if you have other old mess left around. /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 13:18.31 | dmseg | hello, does anyone know about jigdo |
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| 13:19.18 | abrotman | need more info |
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| 13:19.40 | abrotman | i know what jigdo does .. i've even used it .. and used its files for other things |
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| 13:20.56 | dmseg | <abrotman> yes itf for downlaoding |
| 13:21.02 | abrotman | itf? |
| 13:21.33 | wols_ | neo2dot0: /msg dpkg search and check which package has this lib |
| 13:21.52 | wols_ | abrotman: it's |
| 13:21.56 | dmseg | <abrotman> can you tell my why does wget tell me that there is no such option as "-- no-pasive-ftp" where as i enetrd "--no-pasive-ftp" |
| 13:22.01 | abrotman | the f isn't next to the s |
| 13:22.18 | wols_ | abrotman: you see his keyboard? |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | dmseg: --no-passive-ftp .. there are two Ss |
| 13:22.21 | parunni | all speakers in 5.1 is not working. alsa mixer giving error. can you help me with this |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | wols_: which keyboard has the f next to the s ? |
| 13:22.38 | wols_ | !tell aplsin about errors |
| 13:22.42 | wols_ | abrotman: his! |
| 13:22.46 | abrotman | you think! |
| 13:23.11 | wols_ | abrotman: you've seen (and suffered) my typos and still ask about others'? |
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| 13:23.28 | abrotman | iwouldnevertypoanything! |
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| 13:23.38 | dmseg | <abrotman> spelling is ok |
| 13:23.50 | parunni | all speakers in 5.1 is not working. alsa mixer giving error. can you help me with this |
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| 13:24.09 | abrotman | not what you showed me |
| 13:24.10 | wols_ | !tell parunni about repeat |
| 13:24.26 | parunni | all speakers in 5.1 is not working. alsa mixer giving error. can you help me with this |
| 13:24.34 | wols_ | !tell parunni about alsa checklist |
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| 13:24.46 | parunni | wols, i am a newbie |
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| 13:25.03 | parunni | newbie to linux also |
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| 13:25.27 | abrotman | parunni: which linux did you install ? |
| 13:25.31 | dmseg | <parunni> well then get on linux and learn if you have a problem you come here |
| 13:25.31 | parunni | ubuntu |
| 13:25.43 | Prisoner236458 | Hi could anyone give me the command line to forward port 21 to 555 with iptables on same ip? |
| 13:25.45 | Jemt | parunni: Then try #ubuntu :) |
| 13:25.46 | abrotman | parunni: then ask them .. use #ubuntu or ##linux .. Ubuntu is offtopic here |
| 13:25.46 | defrysk | parunni, /j #ubuntu |
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| 13:25.54 | abrotman | Prisoner236458: #iptables |
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| 13:40.42 | Prisoner236458 | Hi, I asked my question in #iptables and no one has responded, reason I am asking here is because I use debian, anyone that could possibly assist me with my question? |
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| 13:41.57 | Bushmills | Prisoner236458: man iptables |
| 13:42.04 | stew | Prisoner236458: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 21 -j DNAT --to :555 |
| 13:42.17 | Prisoner236458 | thank you |
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| 13:43.29 | stew | Prisoner236458: you may want to alter that command to also include a -d with your ip as destination |
| 13:43.51 | wols_ | stew: almost wanted to ask :) |
| 13:43.58 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: what are you looking to achieve exactly? |
| 13:44.23 | Prisoner236458 | want to forward port 21 to another port on an aliased ip |
| 13:44.23 | stew | yeah, s/may// |
| 13:44.27 | Prisoner236458 | that is basically |
| 13:44.31 | Prisoner236458 | it |
| 13:44.47 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: forward traffic generated on that same machine or elsewhere on the network? |
| 13:44.48 | Prisoner236458 | the ip stays the same tho |
| 13:44.55 | Prisoner236458 | same machine |
| 13:45.22 | ampex2 | stew: if the same machine is generating the traffic, it won't ever hit the nat table will it? |
| 13:45.31 | Prisoner236458 | anything hitting port 21 on said ip to be redirected to another port on the same ip |
| 13:45.41 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: you just contradicted yourself |
| 13:46.02 | Prisoner236458 | oh misunderstood your question |
| 13:46.02 | Prisoner236458 | traffic is not generated by same machine |
| 13:46.07 | Prisoner236458 | sorry my multitasking isa bit shoddy |
| 13:46.25 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: and is the machine you want to forward port 21 to 555 on the gateway for the other machines? |
| 13:46.39 | wols_ | Prisoner236458: why don't you just make whatever listens on 555 on 21 instead? |
| 13:46.51 | stew | ampex2: no, it woulnd't, afaik |
| 13:47.10 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: if it's not the gateway, you can probably use xinetd to redirect the port, but it's been a long while |
| 13:47.30 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: http://heronforge.net/redhat/node11.html |
| 13:47.42 | Prisoner236458 | example I have 192.168.1.1 with some daemon listining on port 555, now I want to have all traffic that hithe same ip, 192.168.1.1 on port 21, be sent to port 555 |
| 13:47.52 | wols_ | Prisoner236458: why can't you simply change your listening port? |
| 13:48.08 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: change your listening port or use xinetd to redirect incoming port 21 |
| 13:48.13 | Prisoner236458 | port 21 is a privilege port |
| 13:48.18 | justin | Prisoner236458: so is 555 |
| 13:48.31 | Prisoner236458 | ok port 5555 then |
| 13:48.33 | stew | my apt-cache searching is failing. can someone think of a text (ncurses?) based system monitor application that would let you monitor a few things like time/battery status/free memory? i've seen one, but am having trouble finding it again |
| 13:48.46 | Prisoner236458 | sorry forgot that was below 1024 |
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| 13:48.49 | justin | Prisoner236458: there are plenty of examples online how to do that |
| 13:48.50 | mynullvoid | hi |
| 13:48.53 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: the only way I know of is xinetd |
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| 13:49.09 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.19 | Prisoner236458 | I know |
| 13:49.28 | Prisoner236458 | nevermind :) |
| 13:49.39 | mynullvoid | I am using debian stable, I got clamav installed but I am unable to install dansguardian due to dependencies asking for libclamav2 how do I fix this? |
| 13:49.40 | themill | stew: yacpi? (not tried by me) |
| 13:49.42 | wols_ | if your ftpd doesn't drop priviledges, it might be time for a new one |
| 13:49.43 | twobitwork | Prisoner236458: why don't you want it running on a priveleged port? |
| 13:49.44 | ampex2 | I don't believe iptables will do what you need it to do anyways |
| 13:49.49 | wols_ | also: ftp needs more than port 32 |
| 13:49.52 | wols_ | *21 |
| 13:50.07 | justin | wols_: the only privileged port it needs is 21 |
| 13:50.13 | ampex2 | Prisoner236458: iptables will only work in your situation if the machine running the server is also your gateway |
| 13:50.36 | justin | ampex2: eh? |
| 13:50.38 | Prisoner236458 | to many questions and to little answers.. simply want 192.168.1.1:21>192.168.1.1:5555 as an example |
| 13:50.43 | wols_ | justin: as soon as someone uses passive ftp, it gets dicey |
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| 13:51.02 | wols_ | Prisoner236458: you've already been answered long ago |
| 13:51.05 | Prisoner236458 | but thanks for teh information |
| 13:51.06 | twobitwork | wols_: it should still listen in non priveleged ports for pasv connections |
| 13:51.07 | ampex2 | justin: you can't arbitrarily take a port and redirect it using iptables without the NAT table which is only hit when the box in question is running NAST |
| 13:51.07 | Prisoner236458 | I know |
| 13:51.10 | ampex2 | NAT rather |
| 13:51.13 | Prisoner236458 | I was kept being asked questions |
| 13:51.14 | Prisoner236458 | ;p |
| 13:51.18 | justin | ampex2: false |
| 13:51.20 | Prisoner236458 | so I kept answering them ;p |
| 13:51.31 | ampex2 | justin: give me a command I can try thebn |
| 13:51.33 | ampex2 | then rather |
| 13:51.37 | wols_ | ampex2: it will always work, if it comes into the right interface |
| 13:51.38 | stew | themill: seems to acpi specific |
| 13:51.42 | justin | ampex2: Prisoner236458 stew gave the command to run 10 minutes ago |
| 13:51.43 | themill | yeah |
| 13:51.53 | twobitwork | Prisoner236458: we're asking questions because we suspect there is a better way of doing it... :) |
| 13:51.57 | stew | i'm just going to end up writing this |
| 13:52.20 | Prisoner236458 | @twobitwork : thanks hehe.. |
| 13:53.01 | themill | stew: saidar? |
| 13:53.09 | ampex2 | justin: I'm on a machine running sshd, and typed `iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to :222`. I can't connect to it on port 222 now. |
| 13:53.34 | justin | ampex2: backwards |
| 13:54.01 | Prisoner236458 | you forwarded port 22 to 222 |
| 13:54.13 | stew | and you really want a -s |
| 13:54.19 | ampex2 | ahhh, fair enough, my mistake |
| 13:54.19 | ampex2 | justin: you are correct, sir :) |
| 13:54.19 | ampex2 | cowers in shame |
| 13:54.34 | stew | themill: that's a lot closer! |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | stew: can't you have `watch` do more than one thing? |
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| 13:55.10 | themill | stew: aptitude search "~Guse::monitor" "~G::uitoolkit::ncurses" .... |
| 13:55.18 | stew | i'm trying to figure out how to close #486649 without writing code |
| 13:55.34 | abrotman | !dbugs 486649 |
| 13:55.37 | dpkg | #486649:W[tritium] tritium: ion3-like status bar; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:36:15 UTC |
| 13:55.38 | themill | (without some of those ::s) |
| 13:55.40 | NoxIn | Prisoner236458: I think it's better with someting like iptables -a INPUT -p tcp --dport 5555 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 21 |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | stew: tag wontfix ? :) |
| 13:55.59 | NoxIn | oops .. -A |
| 13:56.22 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i was hoping to remmeber the name of the thing i once used to do this before i do |
| 13:56.30 | justin | oooh, a WM in python? |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | way to catchup |
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| 13:56.58 | justin | lol, apparently I isntalled it last september :-P |
| 13:57.03 | stew | justin: its basically ion3 but the author is just differently insane |
| 13:57.12 | NoxIn | ... Prisoner236458 well forget what I said ... it's in prerouting and not input .. |
| 13:57.17 | justin | yeah, I stopped using ion3 a while ago |
| 13:57.31 | ampex2 | NoxIn: redirect only works with NAT |
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| 13:58.01 | abrotman | stew: so .. Clint just writes weird blogs and files bugs on tritium all day? |
| 13:58.08 | NoxIn | ampex2: yes I typed the line from memory without checking |
| 13:58.34 | justin | stew: I also couldn't make heads or tales of lua, but I can do python :_D |
| 13:58.38 | stew | abrotman: he kept bugging me to upload it, just so he could do this. which is good |
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| 13:58.52 | justin | stew: ion3 had some really annoying issues that I could never figure out how to fix |
| 13:58.58 | stew | abrotman: and actually, from what i can tell, each of his blog posts makes perfect sense to about exactly 1 person |
| 13:59.12 | stew | abrotman: i know this becuase twice rcox and I were those people |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. it is good .. maybe have rcox file a few bugs too :) |
| 13:59.19 | stew | abrotman: dream on |
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| 13:59.43 | abrotman | stew: i got that impression from his posts .. but sometimes .. i think he just writes the posts for himself .. because no one else could possibly understand that :) |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | justin: annoying issues .. like the author? |
| 14:00.52 | justin | abrotman: nah, for one, I'd have say 10 desktops open, and accidentally close #1, and everything would get shifted over |
| 14:00.54 | stew | justin: it also had some features which are proving difficult to implement (most were easy) |
| 14:00.59 | mynullvoid | abrotman: is there problem installing dansguardian? |
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| 14:01.05 | abrotman | you tell me |
| 14:01.08 | mynullvoid | why is that my stable debian breaks |
| 14:01.31 | stew | hmm, i wonder if i could wedge conky into 25 pixels or so |
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| 14:01.44 | mynullvoid | abrotman: i got clamav installed but my dansguardian were removed and I cannot install dansguardian because it requires libclamav2 |
| 14:02.01 | abrotman | and you're using clamav from volatile ? |
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| 14:03.24 | abrotman | mynullvoid: paste the full output of what you're trying to do |
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| 14:03.25 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 14:17.16 | jthomas | Can anyone help me to get a Rockwell serial modem working? I can connect in with 'cu -l ttyS0' and I can send it commands like, "ATDT 5551212" ; in the past it would tell me NO DIALTONE but that was a telco error; now I get NO CARRIER when I use ATDT, meaning my mobile isn't answering with a modem -- but my phone isn't ringing for it to even know this. Ideas? This is Debian Lenny. |
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| 14:18.29 | stew | conky was exactly what i was looking for |
| 14:19.32 | JyZyXEL | someone still uses those old modems? o.O |
| 14:19.46 | jthomas | Yep, for faxing. |
| 14:20.00 | petemc | i set up 2 modems for faxing this morning with a fresh lenny install, worked right away |
| 14:20.03 | SPF | or in case your dsl fails |
| 14:20.06 | JyZyXEL | someone still uses fax? o.O |
| 14:20.22 | petemc | lots and lots of people |
| 14:20.28 | JyZyXEL | thats horrible |
| 14:20.34 | jthomas | thanks |
| 14:20.35 | petemc | theres a big world outside your bedroom... ;) |
| 14:20.40 | wols_ | jthomas: the modem should have a AT command to enable its speaker |
| 14:20.44 | wols_ | so you can hear what it does |
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| 14:21.24 | NickBurnsSNL | 'ello folks .. I've searched a bit on this one, and may sound 'dumb' but what the heck is the 'armel architecture' that's mentioned in the lates DPN? |
| 14:21.26 | jthomas | anyway - petemc if I dial the number to call the modem, i can see with 'faxstat' that it rings (this is when HylaFAX is running). However, I am not near the modem -- its in another part of the country. |
| 14:21.47 | wols_ | NickBurnsSNL: subspecies of ARM CPUs |
| 14:21.56 | jthomas | wols_ I am not near the modem to try that |
| 14:21.59 | petemc | jthomas: did you you run faxsetup? which then prompts you to run faxaddmodem ? |
| 14:22.06 | jthomas | yep I ran both |
| 14:22.12 | petemc | jthomas: looked in syslog? |
| 14:22.25 | petemc | Jun 17 12:07:17 fax FaxGetty[6328]: MODEM INTEL CORPORATION MD56xx/CD08.55 - 747 SERIAL |
| 14:22.50 | NickBurnsSNL | wols_: ah.. OK, I've not heard it referred that way, thanx! |
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| 14:23.02 | sami | Is there any good backup option for linux. I want to back up an partition -> image. since dd only can handle raw it will save it as the partition size is and that's not acceptable. |
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| 14:23.19 | petemc | you can pipe dd through gzip, or use partimage |
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| 14:24.21 | jthomas | petemc -- yes I have run both, but thats a HylaFAX thing, right? I cannot get the modem to even call out with a manual manipulation of the modem in the 'cu -l ttyS0' program |
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| 14:24.39 | soulchild | Where can i get the libcurl3 package ? |
| 14:25.07 | wols_ | !info libcurl3 etch |
| 14:25.22 | heroxbd | Hello. I have a dual host laying in a prefix-64 subnet and a ipv4-only host. I have already setup a sit tunnel between the two. How can I route ipv6 packets for the ipv4-only host? |
| 14:25.28 | soulchild | !info libcurl3 lenny |
| 14:25.29 | petemc | jthomas: cant advise on manual manipulation of modems as its not something i know about |
| 14:25.35 | soulchild | !info libcurl3 experimental |
| 14:25.43 | wols_ | !tell soulchild about selftell |
| 14:25.45 | soulchild | !info libcurl3 unstable |
| 14:25.54 | petemc | jthomas: you're using real serial modems? |
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| 14:26.14 | jthomas | AFAIK, yes petemc. We've tried a few different ones actually. |
| 14:26.19 | alleyoopster | themill: following up that problem with the wifi, i found it worked without problem with ubuntu live cd. so left me thinking it was possible |
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| 14:26.20 | DocMAX78 | hello |
| 14:26.24 | sami | petemc: the image is still about 30Gb of size while it should be 2.4Gb |
| 14:26.27 | sami | Max |
| 14:26.32 | petemc | for me, it was plug and play, untel and us robotics |
| 14:26.45 | jthomas | sounds nice ;) |
| 14:26.55 | DocMAX78 | question: my nfs share is not always online |
| 14:26.59 | soulchild | Does anyone use enlightenment DR17 ? |
| 14:27.03 | petemc | sami: oh, considered scrapping the image idea and just backing up the data? |
| 14:27.09 | wols_ | !anyone use DR17 |
| 14:27.10 | DocMAX78 | how can i mount it in my debian distr.? |
| 14:27.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses DR17, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:27.27 | wols_ | DocMAX78: put it in your fstab and mount when needed |
| 14:27.33 | asg | !use wols_ |
| 14:27.38 | sami | petemc: That was not an option i was told hehe. In that case it would be simple. |
| 14:27.42 | themill | alleyoopster: that's a good sign, I guess... Do you know what kernel, iwlwifi version, firmware version etc it used? Did you load pbe5 or did it work without? |
| 14:27.49 | DocMAX78 | wols_ but it mounts on booting, right? |
| 14:27.53 | wols_ | asg: ? |
| 14:27.55 | jthomas | how would i start 'faxgetty' ? Just starts with HylaFAX? |
| 14:28.00 | wols_ | DocMAX78: not if you configure it right |
| 14:28.03 | petemc | sami: try partimage then, i suppose |
| 14:28.05 | soulchild | is there any similar WM to E17 ? |
| 14:28.07 | asg | wols_: nevermind, the bot is all PC these days |
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| 14:28.29 | wols_ | soulchild: it's unique |
| 14:28.44 | sami | petemc: partimage also backsup to raw which makes it huge. |
| 14:28.58 | wols_ | sami: apt-cache search backup |
| 14:29.04 | soulchild | :( i can't find any reposotry for lenny amd64 |
| 14:29.12 | dpkg | libcurl3: (Multi-protocol file transfer library), section libs, is optional. Version: 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 164 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
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| 14:29.19 | dpkg | libcurl3: (Multi-protocol file transfer library (OpenSSL)), section libs, is optional. Version: 7.18.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 213 kB, Installed size: 400 kB |
| 14:29.23 | wols_ | soulchild: pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:29.58 | soulchild | wols_: i use ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 14:30.37 | sami | 16:30:35 $ sudo apt-cache search backup | wc -l |
| 14:30.38 | sami | 124 |
| 14:30.43 | sami | wols_: Thanks |
| 14:30.46 | petemc | sami: i just spent 10 seconds looking at partimage docs and i see multiple compression options |
| 14:30.46 | wols_ | DocMAX78: messaging people is a good way to get ignored. HAND |
| 14:30.48 | soulchild | already tried experimental and unstable but libcurl3 is missing |
| 14:30.57 | EvilSide | Hi! I'm runing on debian unstable but i have installed kde4.1 from experimental repo. Anyone know how to upgrade all packages, that are from experimental ... because apt-get upgrade upgrades only from unstable? |
| 14:31.00 | wols_ | soulchild: don't lie |
| 14:31.16 | jthomas | lol |
| 14:31.16 | wols_ | !tell EvilSide about kde4 |
| 14:31.19 | sami | petemc: Yes. gzip, bzip2 and lzop but it just compresses the raw image. |
| 14:31.25 | soulchild | wols_: i am not,... |
| 14:31.28 | alleyoopster | themill: i didnt have to do a thing, just clicked on network manager, it used iwlwifi, will check it now |
| 14:31.30 | petemc | sami: what is it that you want? |
| 14:31.31 | jthomas | !tell jthomas about kde4 |
| 14:31.38 | sami | I could probably get it down to 20Gb. |
| 14:31.44 | themill | soulchild: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:31.50 | wols_ | soulchild: read what dpkg just said about libcurl3 in lenny |
| 14:31.58 | abrotman | use ekiga darn it! |
| 14:32.03 | sami | petemc: I want a backup tool to backup an ext3 disk to an image that would fit a CD |
| 14:32.14 | petemc | and the moon, on a stick? |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | covered in chocolate |
| 14:32.33 | wols_ | petemc: since it's easy compared to the others: I need a pink pony |
| 14:32.36 | themill | alleyoopster: that might indicate that you don't need the rfswitch stuff at all |
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| 14:33.00 | themill | dpkg: pony wols_ |
| 14:33.00 | dpkg | gives wols_ a pony |
| 14:33.01 | petemc | sami: have you encountered any compression algorithm that can take the amount of data you have and compress it to less than 700 meg? |
| 14:33.20 | themill | wols_: you can paint it pink yourself... this channel is self-service |
| 14:33.25 | wols_ | sami: what backup software can compress 2.4GB to a 700MB CD? |
| 14:33.30 | jthomas | wols_ and petemc -- if I attach a different serial modem to a system, do i need to reboot? |
| 14:34.00 | sami | Since i can cap my system pretty much it can be compessed to 700M but a raw image can NEVER be anything close to that. |
| 14:34.00 | wols_ | whines at themill for pink, pony-compatible paint |
| 14:34.02 | petemc | jthomas: run faxaddmodem and see if it works |
| 14:34.05 | sami | That's the problem. |
| 14:34.06 | wols_ | jthomas: no |
| 14:34.19 | jthomas | petemc I've ran it, it seems happy |
| 14:34.24 | alleyoopster | themill: yeah maybe |
| 14:34.35 | petemc | jthomas: did it correctly identify the newly added modme? |
| 14:34.44 | jthomas | as far as I can tell, yes. |
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| 14:35.07 | petemc | did the text it printed to the screen correspond to the type of modem you plugged in? |
| 14:35.12 | soulchild | wols_: it works now,.. i didn't know, that i have to put both (lenny+experimental) repos in my sources list |
| 14:35.17 | soulchild | wols_: thank you |
| 14:35.26 | wols_ | you do not need experimental |
| 14:35.32 | wols_ | and you really shouldn't use it |
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| 14:35.50 | jthomas | petemc yes it looks accurate when i run faxaddmodem |
| 14:35.55 | petemc | all good then |
| 14:35.57 | themill | gives wols_ a copy of rfc1337 "Open specifications for pony coating" and rfc4242 "Pink paint promulgation protocol" |
| 14:36.25 | EvilSide | hey, no answers about my question? :( |
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| 14:36.55 | wols_ | EvilSide: kde4 and experimental are both unsupported here |
| 14:37.04 | themill | wols_: dpkg gave you an answer |
| 14:37.07 | themill | erm |
| 14:37.10 | jthomas | EvilSide: if it was about KDE4.1, ask in debian-kde as someone had DPKG tell you. |
| 14:37.13 | themill | EvilSide: dpkg gave you an answer |
| 14:37.15 | wols_ | themill: it does all the time |
| 14:38.05 | pasky | Hello, anyone experienced with apt pinning? I'm trying to pin packages from my custom repository, but can't bring apt-get to respect the pins - how would I go about debugging that? |
| 14:38.31 | DocMAX78 | wols_: the mounts should only be done when destination is available. how can i do this? |
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| 14:39.23 | pasky | how can I at least list all the repositories apt knows about together with their pinnable attributes? |
| 14:40.04 | alleyoopster | themill: kernel is 2.6.24-16, cant seem to find iwlwifi or firmware installed, would it show up in lsmod if it were built into kernel? |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 14:40.11 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 14:40.45 | Benzi | why has udevd stopped running automatically at startup? |
| 14:41.02 | pasky | abrotman: thanks, will check |
| 14:41.11 | pasky | !backports |
| 14:41.11 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | pasky: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 14:41.37 | themill | alleyoopster: no, lsmod will show you iwl3945 and that's all. There should be a firmware package though -- you can try dpkg -l firmware-* |
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| 14:42.00 | pasky | hmm, but as I said, I want to pin packages from my own repository, not from different debian repositories that I'm using normally |
| 14:42.09 | pasky | so I don't quite see how does any of this apply to me :( |
| 14:42.53 | alleyoopster | themill: no match |
| 14:43.00 | EvilSide | hey, I gave KDE just as example. I've got some other packages from experimental,but they can't be upgraded, just as kde4, which is from experimental too :) but thanks for the answer ... |
| 14:43.18 | themill | pasky: there's a not-very-well explained "label" pin in man 5 apt_preferences |
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| 14:44.10 | themill | pasky: see also the origin pin. Stuffed if I can remember which you need here, but that's where you should start looking. Google can help fill in the details if you know the keywords to ask it. |
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| 14:45.31 | themill | alleyoopster: damn ub*ntu and their non-free muck all through their kernel. It should be in /lib/firmware. But if you're seeing iwl3945 in lsmod then that's the firmware they must be using. But also check what kernel. |
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| 14:47.49 | alleyoopster | themill: the kernel is 2.6.24-16 and iwl3945 is showing in lsmod |
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| 14:49.24 | DocMAX78 | wols? |
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| 14:50.11 | X3N_ | Is there a way to use a sarge CD to install etch e.g. use sarge cd as a netinstall disk for etch ? |
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| 14:50.25 | themill | alleyoopster: well at least you know that you can use that same kernel in debian. There's a change that the ubuntu one contains a newer version of the iwlwifi driver, of course. I'd ignore all the rfswitch stuff and just try it out again. And pay attention to dmesg when you modprobe the module. Also see the debian wiki for tips on the iwlwifi drivers. m iwlwifi ; |
| 14:50.31 | wols_ | DocMAX78: do NOT /msg people in here unasked |
| 14:50.39 | alleyoopster | themill: maybe the module was included in the later kernel |
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| 14:51.50 | pasky | themill: thanks for the hints - I've actually tried both of these, but with no luck - apt does not seem to properly associate the pin with my repository; I guess I have little choice than to dive into apt's code since there seems to be no way to get some more verbose output from apt on what is it doing :( |
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| 14:52.26 | alleyoopster | themill: also i think maybe relevant is that the wifi light is on with ubuntu but switches off during debian boot |
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| 14:53.10 | wols_ | pasky: a stable/testing/unstable repo and if its version is higher than debian.org's for a given package, it will install yours |
| 14:53.26 | themill | alleyoopster: that's interesting... the wifi light is inactive in iwl3945 in the 2.6.24 kernel, so ubuntu must be doing something interesting there. You could try picking up the 2.6.25 kernel to see if that helps you I guess. |
| 14:53.34 | abrotman | pasky: apt-cache policy <pkg> ? |
| 14:54.04 | pasky | wols_: I'm sorry, I don't understand |
| 14:54.17 | pasky | hmm, maybe I've got confused about the Release file in my repo, actually |
| 14:55.33 | pasky | abrotman: thanks a lot, that looks interesting! but now I'm realizing that it wants to take attributes from <repo>/Release while I have them in <repo>/main/binary-i386/Release ... :) |
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| 14:56.43 | pasky | is there even supposed to exist any main/binary-i386/Release file? or is that completely bogus? |
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| 14:57.21 | doubletwist | nyone here use AIM and/or MSN? Are you able to log on right now? |
| 14:57.36 | petemc | msn, yes |
| 14:57.42 | doubletwist | hrm |
| 14:57.57 | doubletwist | I can't log onto either one from 2 different locations/programs |
| 14:58.03 | doubletwist | oh well |
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| 14:58.31 | alleyoopster | themill: can i pipe the boot up text to a file or view it, i can almost see what is loading when wifi dies |
| 14:58.58 | themill | alleyoopster: the output should be in dmesg |
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| 14:59.22 | abrotman | doubletwist: aim went down i think |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | oh .. now it's back |
| 14:59.41 | pasky | okay, after duplicating the attributes in the main Release file, everything works as charm! thank you all |
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| 14:59.51 | xerophyt1 | what is the best program to monitor and trending .. i need to use for benchmarking for some performace stuff ? |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | benchmark .. what? |
| 15:00.31 | xerophyt1 | abrotman: few stuff nfs performance and server memory load and stuff .. i know munin can do it ..i am thinking if mrtg is better |
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| 15:00.57 | abrotman | so use mrtg .. problem solved |
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| 15:01.17 | xerophyt1 | abrotman: okay is munin better than mrtg |
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| 15:05.14 | jelly | uses pre-millennium versions of cricket and netsaint |
| 15:05.55 | zxxxd | EXT3 FS on sda2, internal journal |
| 15:05.55 | zxxxd | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 15:05.55 | zxxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.59 | zxxxd | what is ordered data mode? |
| 15:06.03 | cahoot | jelly: the Fenician? |
| 15:06.23 | jelly | zxxxd: it's da default |
| 15:06.43 | zxxxd | what does it mean , and do i get failed? |
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| 15:07.14 | jelly | zxxxd: that line with ordered data mode is normal, it appears even when evreything works fine |
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| 15:08.57 | zxxxd | jelly, the failed is normal too? |
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| 15:09.32 | jelly | zxxxd: no idea. Care to privde more context? |
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| 15:09.57 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:09.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:10.07 | zxxxd | Will now mount local filesystems:kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 15:10.07 | zxxxd | EXT3 FS on sda2, internal journal |
| 15:10.07 | zxxxd | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 15:10.07 | zxxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.13 | x86 | hey guys... I'm semi-new to debian, and I've installed KDE on my system... it installed a bunch of crap that I don't want (ksirc, games, quanta, etc), and when I do apt-get remove ksirc (for example), it wants to remove kde as well! |
| 15:10.25 | x86 | how do I remove just the program I want to remove, and not KDE as well? |
| 15:10.51 | themill | x86: "kde" is just a metapackage that is designed to install everything for you |
| 15:11.09 | x86 | ah gotcha |
| 15:11.14 | themill | x86: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 15:11.59 | jelly | zxxxd: sounds like the script that wrote "Will now mount local filesystems:" also wrote " failed!". Does the system run normally after that? Do you have non-existing devices in your /etc/fstab? |
| 15:13.01 | jelly | zxxxd: the stuff between "Will now mount local filesystems:" and " failed!" is console output from kernel, it's normal output when an ext3fs is mounted. |
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| 15:14.41 | jelly | cahoot: /me doesn't get the Fenician (sp?) reference |
| 15:14.42 | Bushmills | x86: the package kde is a so called meta package. no code in it, only dependencies. i.e. a list of packages the whole set of "kde" consists of |
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| 15:15.29 | cahoot | jelly: was both far fetched and misspelled (Phoenician in en/us) |
| 15:15.31 | Bushmills | x86: when you remove one of those dependencies, the meta package "kde" can't be complete anymore, and is therefore removed too |
| 15:15.33 | jelly | cahoot: if he built well working alpha-versioned software, then yes |
| 15:15.45 | Bushmills | oh |
| 15:15.49 | Bushmills | a bit late, as usual |
| 15:16.00 | jelly | netsaint 0.06 >> nagios (whatever the current version) |
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| 15:17.37 | DocMAX78 | how can is set nfs mount ONLY to connect when nfs server is available? |
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| 15:18.11 | jelly | usb keys. partition them or not? |
| 15:18.44 | zxxxd | hey say , what's the point of autofs |
| 15:18.51 | zxxxd | why not have the filesystem mounted at all times |
| 15:18.54 | zxxxd | instead on demand |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | DocMAX78: no way? What if the server dies when it's already mounted? |
| 15:19.35 | jthomas | jelly it depends on what you want to do. Making them one large vfat (Fat32) partition is the most compatible across all computers... but maybe you want permissions and only working with Linux, in which case Ext3 is good; or maybe you want some of each, so two partitions... |
| 15:19.36 | stew | zxxxd: perhaps the filesystem is a cdrom or usb drive or network volume which aren't always available |
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| 15:19.51 | jelly | DocMAX78: you could use autofs and make it mount automagically when a path under its supposed mount point is accessed |
| 15:20.18 | zxxxd | Setting up networking....,Configuring network interfaces...done., Starting portmap daemon....Waiting for /var/lib/tftpboot/debian/... |
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| 15:20.21 | zxxxd | it gets stuck |
| 15:20.33 | zxxxd | this dir is listed in fstab as nfs mount point |
| 15:20.45 | zxxxd | but it always get stuck there when booting the system and never mounts it |
| 15:21.00 | zxxxd | only if i hit ctrl-c wait for the rest of the scripts to finish then i can mount it manually |
| 15:21.43 | DocMAX78 | yeah auto fs |
| 15:21.52 | DocMAX78 | this is good i think |
| 15:22.17 | mns | zxxxd: you want to take it out of your /etc/fstab. Put it into what ever it is that autofs uses. |
| 15:22.43 | zxxxd | mns, why cant i have it in fstab though? |
| 15:23.51 | mns | zxxxd: because then you'll run into the same type of problem you are having right now. Network is available, but maybe the server is down ? Or not reachable ? or something else is wrong. A bunch of scenarios like that will require you to use Ctrl-C when you boot. |
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| 15:24.17 | mns | With autofs, the directory is not mounted until you try to access it. |
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| 15:24.26 | stew | zxxxd: is dns resolution working? |
| 15:24.45 | zxxxd | stew, but i configured an ip in fstab |
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| 15:27.03 | cesium2 | Hi. Did anyone manage to get cdebootstrap working? |
| 15:29.08 | r0b | can someone help me with a dell inspiron, i get an error at boot that says /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out, and another line shows the correct time at boot but says unable to set system clock to the current time here and i also set ntp up in rc2.d to one of the last process to startup before login |
| 15:29.46 | cahoot | r0b: might try --directisa as option to hwclack |
| 15:29.54 | cahoot | hwclock |
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| 15:30.12 | r0b | cahoot: tried that option, it works till i reboot the machine |
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| 15:30.53 | zxxxd | nostrict |
| 15:30.53 | zxxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.56 | zxxxd | what does this mean? |
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| 15:35.02 | rendar | how i can change color to the text in the /etc/issue and /etc/motd ? |
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| 15:38.40 | g00se | Why does sudo aptitude -R -s install mysql-server threaten to remove a list of 'unused' packages (they're very much *used*)? |
| 15:38.51 | zxxxd | i forgot how to use autofs argg |
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| 15:40.22 | wols_ | g00se: you installed them with apt-get (those other packages) |
| 15:40.50 | wols_ | !tell zxxxd about autofs |
| 15:41.32 | themill | g00se: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 15:41.40 | stew | g00se: aptitude believes they are automatically installed with no manually installed pacakges depending on them, you can mark the ones you want to keep as manually installed with "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" |
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| 15:42.17 | g00se | Thanks guys. I'll have to get my head around that one ;-) |
| 15:42.47 | Bushmills | rendar: a bit tricky because afaik you can't put terminal emulation independent control sequences in. but vy52/vt100 sequences work (on terminal emulations supporting them) |
| 15:42.54 | Bushmills | vt .. |
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| 15:44.41 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.50 | cesium2 | I think I figured what went wrong with cdebootstrap: it was probably PaX chroot restrictions + some other stuff which caused this. |
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| 15:45.08 | cesium2 | Thanks anyway |
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| 15:45.18 | Bushmills | rendar: try something like this in /etc/issue: Debian \033[32mGNU/Linux\033[37m etch \n \l |
| 15:45.27 | rendar | ok |
| 15:46.35 | rendar | Bushmills, what about character speed? i wish to simulate old old terminals where characters were written very very slowly |
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| 15:48.03 | Bushmills | rendar: no way known to me through the conventional getty programs. may a specialized getty can do that |
| 15:48.17 | g00se | So does that mean with a list as long as your arm like this ( http://paste.debian.net/6738/ ) i have to unmarkauto each and every one? |
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| 15:49.03 | Bushmills | rendar: of course you can hook up a serial console, and set baud rate very low |
| 15:49.10 | jelly | g00se: which can be easily done with a script, mind you |
| 15:49.26 | g00se | jelly: true - but even so..;-) |
| 15:49.41 | stew | g00se: no, you can unmarkauto on a few things that depend on all of that and be done. for instance, if the gnome package is installed, "aptitude unmarkauto gnome" should take care of most of that |
| 15:49.49 | jelly | g00se: skip all the lib* ones for starters |
| 15:50.05 | stew | g00se: if gnome is not installed, that is probably the reason that aptitude wants to remove all of these |
| 15:50.08 | rendar | Bushmills, a console in ttyN isn't "serial" ? |
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| 15:50.34 | Bushmills | rendar: ttyS..is serial |
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| 15:50.50 | Bushmills | serial as in rs232 |
| 15:51.38 | rendar | and if i hook up a serial console, can i see it in the monitor, or only by connecting the serial port? |
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| 15:51.51 | g00se | stew: Gnome itself is uninstalled |
| 15:52.06 | Bushmills | rendar: all console i/o will be done thorugh the serial link |
| 15:52.28 | rendar | i see |
| 15:52.29 | stew | g00se: yes, when aptitude installed gnome, all of this packages were installed with it, and marked as automatically installed so that if you were to run "aptitude remove gnome" all the dependencies that got pulled in with it would be removed |
| 15:52.44 | _vvd | is "dh" new in testing (not in etch yet)? i am trying to backport fltk and get this error when i try to "fakeroot debian/rules binary": ake: dh: Command not found |
| 15:52.56 | _vvd | *make |
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| 15:53.08 | stew | g00se: if you want to just mark them all, you can "echo --yourlistofpackages-- | xargs aptitude unmarkauto" or some such |
| 15:53.17 | wols_ | !tell _vvd about search |
| 15:53.25 | wols_ | _vvd: probably debhelper or such |
| 15:53.32 | g00se | stew: good idea |
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| 15:53.43 | stew | _vvd: yes, that is debhelper 7, and if you have a package built with debhelper 7 you are going to have a harder than normal time of backporting |
| 15:54.00 | _vvd | stew: aaaw no :) |
| 15:54.28 | _vvd | is the new debhleper backward compatible? |
| 15:54.29 | stew | _vvd: hmm, though wait, where did you get the fltk source package? |
| 15:54.32 | stew | _vvd: no |
| 15:54.43 | _vvd | stew: testing |
| 15:54.53 | stew | _vvd: fltk was removed from debian in 2004 |
| 15:54.59 | _vvd | stew: i could use the one from etch and use the new source |
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| 15:55.16 | stew | _vvd: what source package name are you talking about? |
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| 15:55.32 | g00se | stew: stew: how about sudo dpkg --get-selections | xargs sudo aptitude unmarkauto ? |
| 15:55.33 | _vvd | libflt1.1, comes with fluid and libfltk |
| 15:55.44 | _vvd | libfltk1.1 |
| 15:55.45 | wols_ | stew: my sid has 1.1 |
| 15:55.47 | stoned | !re |
| 15:55.47 | dpkg | [re] reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions. |
| 15:55.49 | Bushmills | rendar: you may be lucky finding a getty program which allows you to execute a program or scipt instead of displaying /etc/issue, so you can pace the output through that program instead |
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| 15:56.04 | stoned | what is the language/country code for 'reunion' |
| 15:56.05 | jelly | !info libfltk1.1 |
| 15:56.21 | stew | i was looking at this: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fltk/news/20040530T023221Z.html |
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| 15:56.30 | dpkg | libfltk1.1: (Fast Light Toolkit - shared libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 445 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 15:56.48 | stew | yeah, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.2) |
| 15:57.30 | stew | _vvd: you could try to take the debian directory from a version that Build-Depends on debhelper 5, but it might require a bit of extra tweaking |
| 15:57.57 | _vvd | stew: i am trying :) |
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| 16:03.10 | _vvd | stew: easy, just use the debian/ from the 1.1.7 etch version in the 1.1.9 version from testing :) maybe add a dch -v 1.1.9 "" ^^) |
| 16:03.48 | _vvd | oh, noes, error |
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| 16:04.06 | _vvd | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU |
| 16:04.17 | _vvd | that shouldnt be a problem though |
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| 16:06.28 | _vvd | hmm, i have /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 though |
| 16:07.07 | _vvd | any idea? |
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| 16:07.47 | stew | _vvd: but do you have libgl1-mesa-dev: /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 16:07.51 | cyzie | any application that can limit the upstream and downstream bandwidth easily ? |
| 16:08.00 | _vvd | stew: ah, no, ty |
| 16:08.15 | jelly | cyzie: trickle? |
| 16:08.21 | stew | cyzie: for one application or system-wide? |
| 16:08.25 | r0b | can someone help me with a dell inspiron, i get an error at boot that says /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out, and another line shows the correct time at boot but says unable to set system clock to the current time here and i also set ntp up in rc2.d to one of the last process to startup before login |
| 16:08.51 | rendar | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory <- which package i've to install for that? |
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| 16:08.56 | cyzie | jelly, trickle sounds good. |
| 16:09.10 | cyzie | stew, i have a server which i want its client to have bw limited |
| 16:09.48 | azeem | rendar: /msg dpkg b-e |
| 16:11.26 | jelly | rendar: are you trying to compile something? |
| 16:11.37 | twobitwork | I know kde4 is in experimental, but has anyone tried it? how bad is the breakage? |
| 16:11.57 | defrysk | twobitwork, no breakage just immensly slow |
| 16:11.59 | rendar | ok, it was libc6-dev |
| 16:12.02 | stoned | its not bad |
| 16:12.09 | twobitwork | defrysk: yeah? |
| 16:12.10 | stoned | its unstable |
| 16:12.19 | twobitwork | stoned: as in, crashes, etc? |
| 16:12.20 | defrysk | in my exeperience slow yes |
| 16:12.21 | stoned | application like to crash here and there |
| 16:12.23 | stoned | yes |
| 16:12.33 | twobitwork | hmm... maybe I'll try it out in a vm |
| 16:12.40 | stoned | you'd be better off with kubuntu kde4 if you want to try iti out |
| 16:12.41 | stoned | use a live cd |
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| 16:12.54 | scriptdevil | stoned: no.. actually kubuntu kde4 is a mess.. |
| 16:12.55 | defrysk | twobitwork, its not usable yet it needs "tweaking" |
| 16:13.04 | twobitwork | ok |
| 16:13.12 | stoned | I just said to check it out |
| 16:13.18 | stoned | why would you want to USE kde4 |
| 16:13.23 | scriptdevil | the most complete kde4 distro imho is fedora, but that is where it stops being good |
| 16:13.25 | stoned | it is incomplete |
| 16:13.41 | twobitwork | stoned: ohh... I thought it was released |
| 16:13.49 | scriptdevil | ratpoison ftw |
| 16:13.50 | stoned | it shouldn't have been |
| 16:13.51 | scriptdevil | :P |
| 16:13.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.56 | defrysk | kde4 is more like a mock up then a DE |
| 16:14.02 | stoned | but they released it because more people would help develop |
| 16:14.12 | scriptdevil | defrysk: i liked okular |
| 16:14.36 | twobitwork | they're already on 4.1 beta |
| 16:14.58 | dv_ | its actually a sad joke that they release 4.0 and are actually surprised when people use the release |
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| 16:15.44 | defrysk | kde4.2 might be usable |
| 16:16.02 | defrysk | I dont expect much from kde4.1 afa usability is concerned |
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| 16:16.46 | themill | No, what's sad is the number of people sitting around bitching about it without contributing in anyway either by testing or filing bug reports, let alone writing a single line of code... |
| 16:17.24 | stoned | themill, you speak anything other than english? |
| 16:17.43 | stoned | read/write etc. |
| 16:17.52 | themill | stoned: enough German to get myself into trouble. |
| 16:17.56 | stoned | ah |
| 16:17.59 | defrysk | has not seen anyone bitching? |
| 16:18.03 | dv_ | themill, their release policy has nothing to do with contribution |
| 16:18.11 | stoned | themill, I am doing debian + kde same time (Urdu localization) |
| 16:18.14 | macoute | back to firefox fast, im sure there are too some fixes debian did to mozilla upstream |
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| 16:18.15 | stoned | I try to help :D |
| 16:18.23 | macoute | which they did approve. |
| 16:18.37 | dv_ | in fact, from what I hear, the kde4 subsystems are of high quality - but beta software shouldnt be called "release" |
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| 16:18.56 | macoute | so imo we all would have benefitted if debian would have still be able to use firefox-name (as this can lead to a total fork of firefox) |
| 16:18.57 | stoned | guys... #kde |
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| 16:20.29 | themill | macoute: tell that to mozilla corp.. you're preaching to the choir in here. |
| 16:20.53 | macoute | themill: im not preaching to anyone :) |
| 16:21.02 | stoned | its a figure of speech... |
| 16:21.18 | macoute | just mentioned that that was a bad move |
| 16:21.20 | defrysk | its a figure of preach |
| 16:21.31 | macoute | maybe from debians side, too |
| 16:22.08 | stoned | debian in pig latin |
| 16:22.12 | stoned | 'ebianday' |
| 16:22.17 | stew | macoute: what choice did debian have? move firefox to non-free and not be able to provide security patches for it? |
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| 16:22.52 | stoned | the only thing I find annoying about IW is just extension compatability |
| 16:22.55 | macoute | stew: like ubuntu and red hat has done, right? |
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| 16:23.03 | stoned | some extentions LOOK for 'firefox' |
| 16:23.08 | stoned | and wont' install |
| 16:23.32 | alperbaba | hell |
| 16:23.46 | _vvd | anyone wants fltk1.1.9 for etch? :) |
| 16:24.10 | macoute | oh, actually i was supposed to start (or continue) this discussion on another channel :) |
| 16:24.13 | stew | macoute: no, ubuntu and red hat are different in that A) they include software which debian considers non-free (such as firefox), and B) haven't been asked by mozilla to stop using the firefox trademark |
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| 16:24.40 | themill | (for some unknown reason) |
| 16:24.45 | stoned | stew, they only asked us to stop beucause we refused to use mozilla artwork |
| 16:24.53 | stew | stoned: no |
| 16:25.00 | stoned | redhat/ubuntu still use firefox/mozill artwork nonfree |
| 16:25.01 | stew | not according to them, at least |
| 16:25.25 | macoute | stew: yeah, but debian had the possibility to continue using mozilla in non-free and still use its artwork+securitypatches |
| 16:25.38 | stoned | security patches? |
| 16:25.47 | themill | stoned: mozco also wanted to prevent debian backporting security patches |
| 16:25.47 | stew | macoute: yes, but then it would have to be unstable only |
| 16:25.55 | stoned | exactly |
| 16:26.07 | macoute | stew: thats true, but hey, it IS trademarked partially :) |
| 16:26.31 | stew | macoute: and iceweasel isn't trademarked. so it is a win |
| 16:26.42 | macoute | stew: yeah :) |
| 16:27.02 | themill | macoute: so is "linux", but linus has the good sense not to complain about people patching the kernel. |
| 16:27.09 | stoned | shoulda picked something other than a weasel though |
| 16:27.19 | stoned | fuckin weasels man... unreliable ;) |
| 16:27.24 | stew | its hard to consider that removing firefox from debian is a better alternative to providing a free fork of it which is funtionally equivalant (aside from the fact that it gets better security support and font support) |
| 16:28.22 | macoute | themill: im pretty sure linus has its limits somewhere too (or he should have) as its kind of misleading if windows's kernel would be called Linux, wouldnt it? |
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| 16:29.02 | stoned | what? |
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| 16:29.24 | themill | macoute: but linus doesn't require you to stick a penguin on the front and require you to run every patch by him for approval first. Yes there are limits... there's also sanity. |
| 16:29.33 | stoned | windows kernel is called the windows kernel, bsd kernel is called the bsd kernel, linux kernel is called the linux kernel |
| 16:29.37 | stoned | what? |
| 16:30.11 | macoute | stoned: yeah, but if trademark "linux" is not protected at all, bill gates could be calling windows kernel a linux, couldnt he? |
| 16:30.17 | macoute | themill: yeah, thats true too. |
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| 16:30.41 | themill | notes that we are straying further and further away from /topic |
| 16:31.07 | macoute | thats true too :) |
| 16:31.33 | macoute | and im sorry, as i said i was supposed to continue a discussion about this matter on another channel :) |
| 16:31.40 | macoute | but accidentally wrote here :) |
| 16:31.45 | twobitwork | calling the windows kernel "linux" is just plain fraud/false-advertising |
| 16:32.14 | macoute | but possible, if linux is not protected |
| 16:32.28 | macoute | (it is, though) |
| 16:32.52 | twobitwork | nah... a consume would have the ability to sue for misleading branding |
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| 16:32.56 | twobitwork | consumer* |
| 16:33.13 | Bushmills | but ... Linux *is* a registered trademark |
| 16:33.26 | twobitwork | sure, I'm just hypothesizing :) |
| 16:33.34 | Bushmills | ah |
| 16:33.56 | Bushmills | though you could call a .. say .. bread spread "Linux" |
| 16:34.03 | twobitwork | sure |
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| 16:34.15 | stoned | I like chicken salad |
| 16:34.37 | Bushmills | one way for microsoft to completely own a product called "Linux" |
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| 16:36.08 | stew | linux laundry detergent exists |
| 16:36.18 | stoned | really? |
| 16:36.27 | zinx | different market, trademark wouldn't prevent it anyway |
| 16:36.34 | zinx | in fact, they could trademark it too |
| 16:36.47 | stew | stoned: yes |
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| 16:37.35 | keith4 | it's swiss |
| 16:37.54 | stoned | ahhh well hey there |
| 16:38.02 | stoned | seems to be a #linux-pakistan |
| 16:38.04 | stew | stoned: http://www.roesch-swiss.ch/?id=1142&prod_id=33 |
| 16:38.05 | stoned | ehh nice |
| 16:39.07 | stoned | Products > Washing-powder > Linux 10 kg |
| 16:39.26 | stew | they also make Micro&Soft fabric sofetner |
| 16:39.37 | stoned | wth lol |
| 16:39.42 | defrysk | 2.6xx powder ? |
| 16:39.48 | stoned | HAHAH |
| 16:40.57 | defrysk | liquid linux |
| 16:41.02 | defrysk | nice ring |
| 16:43.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 16:43.31 | HardDisk_WP | i need something like hyperterminal or putty's serial option |
| 16:43.33 | HardDisk_WP | for commandline |
| 16:43.35 | HardDisk_WP | i must be able to specify flow control and baud rate and port |
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| 16:43.54 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: minicom or picocom |
| 16:43.58 | stew | or putty |
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| 16:44.23 | HardDisk_WP | stew, does putty exist as commandline app? |
| 16:44.24 | HardDisk_WP | nice |
| 16:44.32 | stoned | !info putty |
| 16:44.37 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-3 (sid), Packaged size: 296 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 16:44.54 | HardDisk_WP | argh, my NSLU2 is fucking around...again |
| 16:45.05 | HardDisk_WP | can't I have that thing boot up without problems?! |
| 16:45.19 | zxxxd | hey |
| 16:45.21 | mot | anybody here familiar with synergy? (i tried asking in #synergy but it's dead) |
| 16:45.23 | zxxxd | i have a problem with automount |
| 16:45.32 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.49 | zxxxd | i put the base dir in auto.master but then all contents on the base directory disaapears |
| 16:46.21 | alperbaba | hello is there any differences between ntfs and ntfs-3g |
| 16:47.29 | zxxxd | does it always have to remove everything in the base dir? |
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| 16:47.55 | rendar | mmm i can't enable syntax highlighting in vim :( |
| 16:48.05 | themill | mot: probably... ask your real question |
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| 16:48.21 | mot | http://pastebin.ca/1049237 <-- what about that looks incorrect, themill |
| 16:48.38 | errr | is there a way to see what package installed a certian file.. like with rh you can do rpm -q -f /some/file and it will tell you what package installed it.. |
| 16:48.42 | mot | just trying to setup aliases for my ridicuously long hostnames and getting the error printed down at the bottom. |
| 16:49.28 | NoxIn | errr: dpkg -S file |
| 16:49.35 | errr | NoxIn: thanks |
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| 16:51.24 | themill | mot: aiui, you use the aliases the other way around. So the "screens" section should contain "toshiba:\ngateway:\ndell:\n" and the "aliases" section should be "toshiba: user-blah.etc." |
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| 16:51.48 | g00se | themill,wols_,stew: Must say that unmarkauto necessity is quite alarming is it not? Suggests that aptitude is dumb enough not to know what the real dependencies are? Or am i missing something? |
| 16:51.56 | mot | oh, okay |
| 16:51.59 | mot | that's really weird, but okay. |
| 16:52.15 | themill | mot: at least, that seems to be how I have my config... |
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| 16:52.55 | stew | g00se: no, we'd recommend just sticking with aptitude (or failing that, stick with apt-get). the problems come when one does something behind the other's back |
| 16:53.17 | stew | g00se: now that newer versions of apt have similar functionality, we are getting closer to them being able to agree on this stuff |
| 16:53.35 | themill | g00se: you're missing something. say you installed all of gnome then ended up removing the meta-package. aptitude is trying to clean up the automatically installed things as *most* of the time you'd want them to be automatically removed in the same way they were automatically installed. |
| 16:53.43 | g00se | stew: ok, i thought they were bosom pals. I know that doco recommends aptitude over apt (can't remember why now ;-)) |
| 16:54.05 | themill | mot: This strategy works badly for the big meta packages (kde and gnome in particular) |
| 16:54.48 | alperbaba | i can't write to my ntfs partitions what fstab settings is required for it? |
| 16:55.38 | themill | mot: the screen name (the thing in the screens section) is the what the desktop will report to synergy (i.e. it's a hostname not a fqdn). The aliases section helps map screen names to fqdn (mybox => mybox.example.com) |
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| 16:55.46 | trifler | openvpn har do conf? |
| 16:55.54 | trifler | hard to* |
| 16:56.00 | alperbaba | i can mount them but i don't know umask settings for it |
| 16:56.00 | mot | which is what i did.... |
| 16:56.05 | alperbaba | could you help me? |
| 16:56.14 | g00se | themill: that sounds smart on the surface, but it seems actually dumb. |
| 16:56.16 | themill | mot: no, you had the opposite of that |
| 16:56.30 | mot | no, for screens i had the actual hostnames of the machine |
| 16:56.34 | NoxIn | trifler: is you have a standard need (a vpn server and clients) no, the sample conf can work pretty well |
| 16:56.41 | mot | for aliases i had the brands of each machine linked to the hostname that synergy looks for |
| 16:56.44 | mot | *shrugs* |
| 16:56.51 | themill | mot: which is the opposite of what I just described |
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| 16:57.14 | NoxIn | trifler: after that, if you wan't to link 3 remote sites which use the same ip prefixs ... yes it can be tricky |
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| 16:58.32 | themill | g00se: it's good for everything except the big metapackages. If you install the package frobinator and it requires all of latex (say) and then you decide you don't want frobinator any more and uninstall it, you also want aptitude to try to remove all of latex too if nothing else in the package system says that it is required. |
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| 16:59.36 | g00se | themill: >>if |
| 16:59.41 | themill | g00se: to not have it automatically uninstall things like that would require you to go through and manually uninstall latex, tetex, etc etc etc.... it might be hundreds of packages. |
| 16:59.41 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.20 | g00se | goose: trouble is, that's the point. Take gnome. Aptitude is telling me that gnome-keyring isn't needed |
| 17:00.24 | stew | g00se: and learning to use the frontend can make managing this stuff easier in many cases |
| 17:00.42 | stew | g00se: aptitude unmarkauto gnome-keyring |
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| 17:01.10 | g00se | themill: afaik i never installed gnome. AND mozilla-browser depends on gnome-keyring |
| 17:01.16 | themill | g00se: and as I said, the big metapackages are where that breaks down, but if you explicitly aptitude install the bits you want (or unmarkauto) then it's not a problem. |
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| 17:01.43 | stew | g00se: aptitude unmarkauto mozilla-browser |
| 17:02.29 | stew | but actually, no it doesn't |
| 17:02.41 | g00se | stew: is it a recommends? |
| 17:02.44 | stew | no |
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| 17:04.02 | g00se | stew: debfoster -e gnome-keyring tells me it does |
| 17:04.09 | stoned | who uses debfoster |
| 17:05.35 | stew | i use debfoster |
| 17:05.37 | g00se | Actually it says 'The following 2 packages on keeper list rely on gnome-keyring' |
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| 17:05.52 | g00se | Maybe that's not the same thing? |
| 17:05.52 | twobitwork | is it like "Australian for Linux"? |
| 17:06.21 | twobitwork | dpkg: debfoster is Australian for Linux |
| 17:06.21 | dpkg | ...but debfoster is already something else... |
| 17:06.26 | twobitwork | dpkg: debfoster is also Australian for Linux |
| 17:06.27 | dpkg | okay, twobitwork |
| 17:06.38 | stoned | !deborphan |
| 17:06.39 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
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| 17:06.50 | stoned | hmm |
| 17:07.04 | stoned | whats the diff exactly |
| 17:07.09 | stoned | deborphan vs foster? |
| 17:07.15 | stoned | except for it being australian |
| 17:07.36 | stew | stoned: debfosster is more featureful |
| 17:07.41 | g00se | stoned: one comes in a 'tube' |
| 17:08.15 | g00se | debfoster seems cleaner and clearer to me |
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| 17:08.34 | g00se | (Let's hope i can use it properly ;-)) |
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| 17:10.18 | g00se | Because debfoster also tells me 'Packages kept by default rules do not rely on gnome-keyring' |
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| 17:23.49 | mot | how can i get fonts in x to show up more clearer? |
| 17:23.58 | mot | i.e. my fonts in firefox look grainy |
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| 17:24.56 | kingsley | mot: Perhaps you want "antialiased" fonts. |
| 17:25.10 | stoned | mot, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 17:25.15 | stoned | enable hinting |
| 17:25.26 | stoned | also enable it in your DE |
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| 17:29.21 | pasky | Hi, is there any easy way for me to override application labels in the GNOME Applications menu in Etch? I know how to do that only for the Debian submenu; the rest seems to be autogenerated from /usr/share/applications/ but modifications in these files will be overwritten on package upgrades. |
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| 17:32.29 | valdyn | pasky: ~/.menu/ |
| 17:32.40 | valdyn | pasky: or globally in /usr/local |
| 17:33.03 | valdyn | pasky: or globally in /usr/local/share/applications/ equivalent to /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 17:33.35 | pasky | but will that _override_ the appropriate menu items? I guess I will try, thanks! |
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| 17:33.56 | valdyn | pasky: i dont know about that |
| 17:34.12 | valdyn | pasky: i only ever used that information to delete files |
| 17:34.17 | stoned | try irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 17:34.34 | pasky | i think my best option will be to dpkg-divert the file |
| 17:34.39 | trifler | NoxIn: I more or less just want to try it out to sit on one net but "surf" on my home net. |
| 17:35.07 | valdyn | pasky: thats a good way to do this too |
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| 17:35.42 | valdyn | mot: in which desktop environment? |
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| 17:35.54 | mot | gnome |
| 17:35.59 | valdyn | mot: i would think that ff uses gnomes settings too |
| 17:36.27 | valdyn | mot: like system -> settings -> fonts ( or similar ) |
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| 17:37.16 | stoned | go to gnome crontrol center and fonts and enable hinting |
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| 17:37.34 | stoned | or gnome-font<tab><tab> |
| 17:37.41 | stoned | i think thats the applet |
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| 17:38.07 | valdyn | anti aliasing first |
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| 17:38.35 | stoned | valdyn, I told him how already |
| 17:38.42 | noisesmith | Why does wpa_supplicant work on my dyne:bolic boot and not debian (same hardware) |
| 17:38.46 | stoned | valdyn, am I correct in saying to use fontconfig-config ? |
| 17:38.51 | janal | hello, anyway i can find out what happend to bitchx pkg ? |
| 17:39.05 | stoned | isn't that where you enable global system wide font aliasing? |
| 17:39.09 | noisesmith | (and same config file, of course) |
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| 17:39.14 | valdyn | stoned: i dont really know how ff will use gnome settings or not |
| 17:39.47 | NoxIn | trifler: then it should not be complicated, unless your home net use the same IPs as the net you're sitting on |
| 17:39.51 | stoned | then gnome and/or kde or whatever get those settings as they rely on system settings first, and then if specified, will override antialiasing settings |
| 17:40.02 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config should help |
| 17:40.30 | stew | janal: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ircii-pana.html and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373 |
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| 17:42.35 | academy | I'm looking at colocating two servers in two different datacentres, seperated by a latency of < 1ms and set them up with MySQL Replication. I'm trying to figure out the best way to avoid a split brain situatio because if there's a routing problem from the secondary server to the master fails, the secondary server will become a master. What's the best way to get around this? One idea I had was to get a VLAN interconnect between the two from a seperate |
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| 17:43.05 | wd3 | installed sarge, x window system, fluxbox but xdm is part of x, how can i disable xdm in rc2.d, "rm S99xdm" or "apt-get -purge xdm" ? |
| 17:43.28 | stew | academy: #mysql is probably a better place to ask |
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| 17:43.56 | stew | wd3: /msg dpkg nodm ; but you should really upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:44.01 | academy | stew: it's a general clustering question - I'm running other things with LVS like web servers. |
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| 17:44.09 | noisesmith | wd3: you can move /etc/rc2.d/S<number>xdm to /etc/rc2.d/K<100-number>xdm |
| 17:44.14 | noisesmith | wd3: that is what I do |
| 17:44.35 | wd3 | noisesmith, k for kill right? |
| 17:44.40 | noisesmith | wd3: yeah |
| 17:44.48 | wols_ | wd3: K, not k |
| 17:44.48 | wd3 | noisesmith, ty |
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| 17:45.02 | noisesmith | wd3: that works for any service or daemon, of course |
| 17:45.26 | stew | academy: yes, you are more likely to find people knowlegable about mysql replication in #mysql than here, for clustering/lvs in general, try #linux-ha |
| 17:45.40 | wd3 | noisesmith, ok. i didn't want to remove xdm because last few installation bombed, it took off X lol |
| 17:46.09 | academy | stew: that's the channel I couldn't find - linux-ha. Thanks. |
| 17:46.27 | noisesmith | wd3: yeah, I just leave the crap installed but turned off (actually I have a custom run level where even cron is turned off for doing concerts or recordings too) |
| 17:46.28 | wd3 | stew, i run sarge on two very very old laptops w/low resources i mean very low.. 100mhz, 32m ram 2 g hd..so sarge is best. |
| 17:46.49 | wd3 | noisesmith, oh. ok. |
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| 17:47.13 | stew | wd3: just note that it is no longer supported, and it no longer gets security upgrades |
| 17:47.20 | wols_ | wd3: while we're still in #debian, haven't you thought about using something like DSL? at least it's current |
| 17:47.26 | wd3 | stew, i installed sarge on another hd in my desktop box so i could experiment with apps before putting on lap. :) |
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| 17:48.21 | jamesstanley | Hi. Does anyone know how to prevent Konqueror from caching Java applets? Thanks. |
| 17:48.34 | noisesmith | wd3: oh, yeah, wols_ was right that I should have said K not k |
| 17:48.46 | eyeris | How can I make an init script run a cmd as a non-root user? I want to make it boot a UML guest, but su complains that it must be run from a terminal (presumably in case it needs to prompt for a password). |
| 17:48.59 | halflife08 | hello folks, my bios clock is set to the local time EST and i set my timezone to est , but the clock is off by 5 hrs, since the during boot up i see the messages select () to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out *unable to set system clock to (13:32:25) UTC . i am lost between using chronyc and openntp since th later package discription seems to be that of a server and not a client |
| 17:49.06 | halflife08 | i am using lenny |
| 17:49.14 | wd3 | wols_, well i'm using a powerbook 1400 mac old world and a toshiba satellite 400c i tried everything, bsd, redhat and debian is the winner all around. |
| 17:49.23 | gentlyninja | i am dist-upgrading with aptitude from etch-stable to testing. aptitude wanna remove iceweasel and firefox to install libsasl2-modules. how can i workaround that? |
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| 17:50.51 | noisesmith | does anyone here have wpa_supplicant working on a debian machine? |
| 17:50.56 | chops | gentlyninja: Does just saying "+iceweasel" not fix it? |
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| 17:51.12 | kantor | Nyle, hi |
| 17:51.26 | kantor | I resolved the problem related to grub |
| 17:51.31 | wd3 | wols_, dsl.. i ran livecd but couldnt get install to work plus i couldn't where i could install more apps it mentioned a place on site but still couldn't.. plus debian is known to work well on old hardware. |
| 17:51.51 | sohmestra | eyeris: su shouldn't complain if run as root, I don't think. |
| 17:51.57 | wd3 | * i couldn't find* |
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| 17:53.36 | wd3 | noisesmith, /etc/rc2.d/K<100-number>xdm.... umm <100 = less than 100 right? |
| 17:54.55 | jamesstanley | Just in case anyone didn't notice before, does anyone know how to prevent Konqueror from caching Java applets? Thanks. |
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| 17:55.31 | jamesstanley | OK, thanks everyone |
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| 17:55.40 | adama | wd3: <100-number> is a 2-digit number that forces your init scripts to run in a certain order |
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| 17:55.45 | noisesmith | wd3: what I mean is S20blah becomes K80blah |
| 17:56.08 | noisesmith | wd3: as in 80 is 100-20 |
| 17:56.12 | stew | the number doesn't matter so much as the K |
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| 17:59.08 | noisesmith | how do I integrate wpa_supplicant into /etc/network/interfaces ? it seems like maybe the debian wpa_supplicant cannot be run standalone like the man page implys? |
| 17:59.34 | themill | noisesmith: man 7 wireless |
| 18:00.24 | wasabi | Howdy. Trying to figure out dpkg triggers. I need a way for a package to trigger something when either it or some other packages it depends on changes. I've started on this by creating a trigger and activating it from all of the other packages: and having the one declare interest in it. This works fine, except in the case of it triggering itself. |
| 18:00.28 | themill | noisesmith: also, see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 18:00.28 | wasabi | Can a package trigger itself? |
| 18:00.34 | noisesmith | themill: standard debian wireless does not have anything to do with wpa |
| 18:00.51 | themill | noisesmith: did you read the man page? |
| 18:00.56 | eyeris | How can I make user mode linux boot up without a terminal? When I run it as a background process it never seems to boot up (I can't ping it) but I can't manually restart each UML instance each time I need to reboot the server. |
| 18:01.05 | noisesmith | themill: yes, it mentions wpa nowhere |
| 18:01.16 | stew | noisesmith: what is "standard debian wireless"? |
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| 18:01.25 | noisesmith | stew: iwconfig |
| 18:01.27 | noisesmith | ? |
| 18:01.32 | themill | noisesmith: it specifies the syntax that you use to integrate wpa_supplicant into /etc/network/interfaces, which was your question. |
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| 18:02.13 | themill | noisesmith: and /usr/share/doc contains plenty more information |
| 18:02.15 | noisesmith | themill: my version of that man page has none of that information (sid) |
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| 18:03.27 | noisesmith | ok, the readme is helping, thanks |
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| 18:04.21 | stew | noisesmith: you can file a wishlist on the manual page asking for it to include wpa related information if you think that is appropriate (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 18:05.44 | noisesmith | stew: yeah, also the man page for wpa_supplicant provides the same info that the man page on dyne:bolic does (and doing what the man page says works on dyne:bolic, and not on debian) |
| 18:05.51 | onur | Hi. I am triying to compile something. It's saying: checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Why my system type is unknown? |
| 18:06.06 | stoned | what are you compiling? |
| 18:06.21 | onur | i tried wine and now ff3 |
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| 18:06.59 | stoned | why not aptitude install wine |
| 18:07.14 | chops | onur: And aptitude install iceweasel |
| 18:07.31 | onur | i want to latest wine and firefox 3 |
| 18:07.42 | chops | onur: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:07.49 | onur | 4.0 etch |
| 18:07.55 | chops | onur: And why do you want the very latest? |
| 18:07.56 | onur | amd64 |
| 18:07.56 | macoute | onur: you should install both of them from their repositories |
| 18:08.07 | macoute | so that you can have the updates as well |
| 18:08.30 | chops | onur: If you're hankering for recent software, it may make more sense to start running testing (though that'll be more complex than running stable, and if it's a server or other production system that's obviously madness) |
| 18:08.50 | chops | onur: But certainly testing will be more manageable than compiling and installing a bunch of stuff from hand... |
| 18:09.06 | onur | i want to just know why my host system is unknown? |
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| 18:09.26 | macoute | chops: i believe that both of those softwares have their own, officially maintained repositories |
| 18:09.30 | macoute | wine at least have |
| 18:09.33 | chops | onur: You'd have to ask the ones who wrote the configure script |
| 18:10.04 | chops | macoute: I wouldn't recommend those repositories. I've had bad experience with mixing some third-party repos with Debian repos (though I've also had it work fine, of course). I'd certainly recommend starting with testing and seeing if that's sufficient. |
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| 18:10.22 | cognitiaclaeves | I did a basic (non network) Etch install. Is there a package that I can install / run to set up network repos? |
| 18:10.38 | SebNaitsabes | Debian |
| 18:10.39 | SebNaitsabes | Ubuntu |
| 18:10.51 | SebNaitsabes | could have done any Linux distro as well as Windows for a course work |
| 18:10.51 | mot | where is the debian kernel source located? |
| 18:11.04 | macoute | chops: yeah, you have a point too. though running testing is kinda harsh move too (depending on the user of course) |
| 18:11.10 | SebNaitsabes | ,but what are teh actsaul requirements to run Debian I wonder? |
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| 18:11.14 | mot | trying to install virtualbox but it said i didn't have the kernel sources installed, so i installed then and now i need to point to KERN_DIR |
| 18:11.17 | chops | mot: The linux-source packages |
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| 18:11.27 | chops | mot: Use a linux-headers package for that |
| 18:11.34 | mot | oh okay |
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| 18:11.48 | chops | mot: Don't try to use the full sources; it'll be a big PITA as compared with just compiling against linux-headers |
| 18:11.49 | hendrik123 | hello |
| 18:11.50 | stew | mot: you probably only need headers, not source, try installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) which would put the headers in /lib/modules/$(uanme -r)/build |
| 18:12.11 | stew | SebNaitsabes: /msg dpkg ig ; the install guide lists the requirements |
| 18:12.31 | mot | wooop woop |
| 18:12.31 | mot | thanks |
| 18:12.50 | onur | how can i find my host system type? I can set with --host param when runing configure script |
| 18:12.57 | aleksanteri | macoute, linux-source-2.6.xx |
| 18:13.25 | aleksanteri | macoute, install linux-source-2.6.xx, then it should be in /usr/src * |
| 18:13.30 | SebNaitsabes | stew: I am on Ubuntu, but for some reason I wanted to do Debian for this: In choosing two well known software systems ,write down what is necessary ,regards hardware to accommodate them. |
| 18:13.45 | stew | !tell SebNaitsabes about ig |
| 18:13.50 | chops | aleksanteri: (a) it's mot, not macoute (b) for what he's doing he wants linux-headers, not linux-source |
| 18:14.09 | aleksanteri | whoops |
| 18:14.09 | mot | how do i append a user to a group? |
| 18:14.13 | stew | SebNaitsabes: but, in general, if it can run ubuntu, it can run debian |
| 18:14.17 | aleksanteri | chops, sorry my brain isn't really working 100% |
| 18:14.22 | aleksanteri | atm |
| 18:14.23 | stew | mot: adduser username group |
| 18:14.31 | stoned | aaaarrgh I got toner powder all over myself :( |
| 18:14.32 | chops | aleksanteri: np |
| 18:14.51 | SebNaitsabes | for a course work as the question said, so some Linux distro and I thought i'll do Debian for that instead of Ubuntu, and i'll do Winblwos |
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| 18:16.05 | SebNaitsabes | the requirements: Memory size/speed Hard disk size/speed/type Speed of CPU Video graphics required. BIOS / Firmware |
| 18:16.13 | SebNaitsabes | that's what I need to know for Debian or whatever Linux distro I choose |
| 18:16.27 | SebNaitsabes | about the requirements |
| 18:16.30 | stew | SebNaitsabes: then you should read the install guide which i'm pointing you to, since that lists these requirements |
| 18:16.34 | mot | hmm |
| 18:16.41 | SebNaitsabes | stew: ok great thanks a lot :) |
| 18:16.50 | mot | okay so if i have a CD sitting in my tray, how do i rip it to an ISO? :D |
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| 18:17.01 | stew | mot: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso |
| 18:17.09 | mot | er? |
| 18:17.15 | SebNaitsabes | maybe i'll do Ubuntu as well :) even though really I only need two |
| 18:17.17 | mot | surely is more complicated than that? |
| 18:17.24 | SebNaitsabes | where can I get such info for Ubuntu any idea? |
| 18:17.30 | stew | SebNaitsabes: in #ubuntu |
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| 18:17.38 | mot | i can do cp /dev/cdrom /home/user/xp.iso ? |
| 18:17.40 | hendrik123 | lol ups |
| 18:17.57 | stew | mot: is it an audio cd? or a cdrom with data on it? |
| 18:18.05 | mot | xp install cd |
| 18:18.43 | noisesmith | so it looks like my real issue is that none of my three wireless cards are supported by debian wpa_supplicant. I am sure running wpa_supplicant by hand, like the manual page suggests, would work otherwise. Sorry for any misinformation or confusion. I figure this has to do with non-free drivers or somesuch, and just means I cannot use debian on this network |
| 18:19.23 | gangsterlicious | got this problem with AoE. whenever i reboot the initiators, it mounts the SAN drives correctly but some dev files are out of place. they all suppose to go into /dev/etherd/. but instead, revalidate interfaces err discover, sits in /dev/. |
| 18:19.41 | themill_ | noisesmith: what are the cards? |
| 18:20.13 | noisesmith | hermes, net8180, orinoco iirc |
| 18:20.35 | gangsterlicious | if i try to rediscover those drives on network or whatnot it craps out. |
| 18:20.48 | noisesmith | they all get the same ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported followed by ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Invalid argument |
| 18:21.15 | noisesmith | which I think means drivers lacking needed capabilities |
| 18:21.21 | themill_ | noisesmith: have you got them working in the absence of WPA? e.g. with no encryption? |
| 18:21.36 | noisesmith | themill_: yes, and I do not have the option of turning wpa off |
| 18:21.55 | noisesmith | themill_: also wap works fine |
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| 18:22.13 | themill_ | noisesmith: I don't know enough about wpa to help you here then... sorry ;( |
| 18:22.27 | hendrik123 | by mistake i deleted all my logs: $ /var/log/ rm *.* :( Do i need to recreate the files? |
| 18:22.40 | ericpersson | Any idea why my usbstick is dead slow when mounted automatically. But if unmounted, and mounted with mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 is fast as expected.. |
| 18:22.56 | stew | hendrik123: no, but you need to recreate the subdirectories with the correct permissions |
| 18:23.05 | chops | ericpersson: Are the options the same? |
| 18:23.16 | noisesmith | right now I am running a dyne:bolic laptop as a wireless gateway, with connection forwarding via ethernet over a crossover ethernet cable, which works, but is a huge waste of electricity |
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| 18:23.29 | chops | ericpersson: In particular, I know that Redhat at one point would mount flash media with the 'sync' option, which will kill most flash media in pretty short order if you do any I/O to it |
| 18:23.36 | ma3x | why mouse wheel scrolling skips? |
| 18:24.08 | azeem | ma3x: why are you still incredibly vague even when being around here for months? |
| 18:24.24 | stew | s/months/years/ |
| 18:24.27 | azeem | ma3x: do you honestly think anybody will have a useful answer to such a vague questions? |
| 18:24.33 | hendrik123 | stew: how i know wich directory's / permissions i need to create? |
| 18:24.44 | stew | hendrik123: hopefully by looking at your most recent backup |
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| 18:24.52 | ericpersson | chops: i see, the automount auto.usb has the following, usb-fstype=vfat -ouid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002,noatime:/dev/sdb1 |
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| 18:25.11 | ma3x | azeem: how should i explain better? when i roll the mouse wheel it skips |
| 18:25.18 | ma3x | im not english speaker so i don't know how can i explain better |
| 18:25.25 | ma3x | but why can't you understand what i mean? |
| 18:25.28 | azeem | "it" is your dog? |
| 18:25.55 | ma3x | you roll a text with the mouse wheeel, and the page doesn't go up/down according to the 'ticks' you roll your mouse wheel |
| 18:25.58 | stew | my dog is no good at skipping. he can cantor or gallup though |
| 18:26.16 | azeem | ma3x: what does it do instead? |
| 18:26.23 | stew | ma3x: what page, what application? does it happen in all applications or just some? |
| 18:26.32 | stew | ma3x: does it happen with multiple mice? |
| 18:26.37 | ma3x | 'nothing' - it skips a few rolls |
| 18:26.52 | ma3x | i have only one mouse, but it doesn't do that in windows |
| 18:26.58 | sladi | you mean it scrolls too fast? |
| 18:26.58 | stew | hendrik123: do you have such a backup? |
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| 18:27.33 | ma3x | well let's say you have a page in firefox/kate with a lot of text |
| 18:27.47 | ma3x | you roll your mouse wheel 10 times |
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| 18:27.58 | hendrik123 | stew: no. i don't make backup of my log files |
| 18:28.00 | ma3x | it will go down the page only 5-8 times |
| 18:28.02 | ma3x | something like that |
| 18:28.21 | stew | hendrik123: you could try to recreate it by looking at "grep var/log /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst" |
| 18:28.27 | ma3x | or if you roll the wheel fast, then it starts skipping a lot of 'wheel ticks' and it even goes in the opposite direction |
| 18:28.39 | stew | ma3x: i'd guess it is a hardware problem. use xev to try to determine if events are getting generated at all |
| 18:29.06 | Alarm | hello, is there a way to increase on my system the volume ? what i mean with that. i got my PC pluged on a stereo device. now, when i am using window the sound is much louder , compared to debian (although i am using the same scale on the stereo) . the software applifier shows everything to full (kmix) |
| 18:29.13 | stew | ma3x: yeah, if its generating button presses for the wrong button, i'd definately blame the hardware |
| 18:29.23 | Alarm | is there maybe somewhere else an option to encrease the whole systems volume ? |
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| 18:29.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I make the default GCC version GCC 4.1 instead of 4.3? |
| 18:29.46 | ma3x | stew: it's not a hardware problem (xev shows them) |
| 18:29.49 | chops | I'm trying to find a good solution for service monitoring on a few servers (monitor network connectivity, disk space, service availability, temperature, etc.). I've found zabbix and nagios as possible good solutions... does anyone have any other particular recommendations? |
| 18:29.55 | themill_ | Dark_Apostrophe: you don't. What are you trying to do. |
| 18:30.00 | Alarm | export CC=/usr/gcc=<version> |
| 18:30.02 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc4.1 |
| 18:30.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill_: install the nvidia blob |
| 18:30.03 | ma3x | stew: im talking only about wheel rolling |
| 18:30.07 | _vvd | i think what ma3x is trying to say and what i also find annoying: the wheel is not always in sync when you scroll. its like one when you scroll one click X gets not "one scroll click" but 0.9 click. so after some point it will skip the scroll input. i have that on a logitech mouse |
| 18:30.14 | stew | ma3x: yes, i know |
| 18:30.23 | themill_ | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg nvidia compiler fix |
| 18:30.31 | Alarm | sorry forgot the /bin dir :) |
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| 18:30.34 | stew | .9 click? what does that mean? |
| 18:30.35 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | sladi: me neither, until the nvidia version released today |
| 18:30.53 | _vvd | stew: well, i dunno, a "not complete click" |
| 18:31.06 | themill_ | Dark_Apostrophe: aiui, export CC= doesn't work with the nvidia installer. But you probably don't want to be using their installer anyway. |
| 18:31.08 | Alarm | sladi, why not compiling it with what suggested if there is a way ? |
| 18:31.26 | Alarm | themill_, it does work with nvidia install (CC) |
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| 18:31.35 | hendrik123 | stew: i got another question. "authdaemond: libauthvchkpw.so: cannot open shared object" got this error on my server running. imap doesn't work (courier-imap/qmail) |
| 18:31.37 | stew | _vvd: like instead of X generating a ButtonPress Event, it generates some new mysterious "PartialButtonPress" event? |
| 18:31.39 | chops | ma3x: Does it happen in all X apps (KDE apps, Gnome apps, emacs)? If so, I'd say it's a bug in xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 18:31.40 | sladi | Alarm: I was lazy and read about others being fine too ^^ |
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| 18:31.47 | oxi | hi |
| 18:31.49 | ma3x | stew: i don't know what vvd means by 0.9 click but do you understand the problem? |
| 18:31.54 | themill_ | Alarm: does it? That must be a reasonably recent change as we've been through that here a number of times. |
| 18:31.56 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 18:31.57 | chops | ma3x: If not, it's probably a bug in the particular client library |
| 18:32.01 | ma3x | chops: yes it happens in all x apps |
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| 18:32.14 | ma3x | in iceweasel in kate in kwrite and so on.... |
| 18:32.16 | oxi | I believe I installed jre 1.6 with backports |
| 18:32.17 | chops | ma3x: Checked the BTS? |
| 18:32.22 | Alarm | sladi, i havent said it doesnt work, its me that i never risked it :) |
| 18:32.24 | _vvd | stew: yeah, but of course that makes no sense. its just like "out of sync". like not calibrated |
| 18:32.37 | _vvd | and it is in all X apps yes |
| 18:32.38 | oxi | is it true that the 1.6 java is now an "official" package? |
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| 18:32.54 | Alarm | themill_, is not a recent change, i do use it like over 6-7 months now. |
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| 18:33.15 | oxi | I'm using Etch |
| 18:33.17 | sladi | Alarm: ^^ usually I wouldn't risk it I guess |
| 18:33.20 | azeem | w35 |
| 18:33.21 | azeem | oops |
| 18:33.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... |
| 18:33.37 | ma3x | chops: I didn't checked the BTS. someone here mentioned x-input-mouse... |
| 18:33.41 | themill_ | Alarm: odd then. It's most definitely not worked on other occasions. But I don't do nvidia so I don't know... |
| 18:33.49 | ma3x | I wouldn't even know without someone telling me that that's the package causing it |
| 18:33.52 | ma3x | are you sure? |
| 18:33.58 | chops | ma3x: Checking the BTS should be your first stop when Debian misbehaves |
| 18:34.03 | stew | hendrik123: i don't know. are you actually using that auth method? |
| 18:34.10 | chops | ma3x: I don't know for sure that that's the package that's causing it, but it would be a logical place to start |
| 18:34.19 | sladi | Dark_Apostrophe: the debian way by installing from sid should be fine, no? |
| 18:34.30 | stew | ma3x: its not a problem with xserver-xorg-input-mouse, as you said that the events are showing up in xev |
| 18:34.37 | ma3x | stew: what do you suggest? is there a fix to this? |
| 18:34.38 | Alarm | i did the nvidia package way and worked for me much better than the debian way :) |
| 18:34.42 | hendrik123 | stew: i use qmail with vpopmail on 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 |
| 18:34.43 | stew | ma3x: get a new mouse |
| 18:34.43 | chops | ma3x: It seems more likely that it's some client library if xev shows the correct output... but if it happens both in KDE apps and in iceweasel, then I'm not sure what library could be at fault |
| 18:35.00 | ma3x | stew: but why? it's working flawless in windows |
| 18:35.02 | _vvd | stew: yeah its a hw thing, as other mice work |
| 18:35.17 | _vvd | its the logitechmx mice |
| 18:35.19 | stew | ma3x: becuase i don't believe you |
| 18:35.22 | ma3x | stew: it's 'microsoft' mouse i bought like 5 years ago! maybe that's why the scrolling won't work |
| 18:35.29 | _vvd | oh ms too :) |
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| 18:35.51 | chops | ma3x: File a bug. If you can't narrow it down any further, then you can file it against xserver-xorg-input-mouse (or whatever), with a note that xev reports the correct inputs |
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| 18:35.56 | stew | hendrik123: so you don't use courier? |
| 18:36.06 | sladi | stew: It happened for me too. I have a logitech mouse. I dunno if it happens in windows though |
| 18:36.17 | stew | chops: if xev reports the correct output, how is it possibly a bug with xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 18:36.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | You know, I would've used debian nvidia packages if A: I knew where to find them and B: They didn't tend to be horribly outdated, as I recall they used to be when I used them a long time ago |
| 18:36.47 | hoxu | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?p=downloadday |
| 18:37.05 | hendrik123 | stew: got courier-imap-ssl (e.g apt-get install courier-imap-ssl) |
| 18:37.05 | chops | stew: Better IMHO to report it to the most logical package even if it's not likely, than to ignore it completely. Better than that to track it down to the package that's definitely at fault, of course. |
| 18:37.06 | _vvd | the scroll problem appears in quake3 too, very annoying if you have your rl on mousewheel up :) |
| 18:37.13 | sladi | Dark_Apostrophe: in official sid repos is 169.12 |
| 18:37.24 | sladi | brb |
| 18:37.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | sladi: The one I'm trying to install is 173.14.09 |
| 18:37.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like I said, outdated |
| 18:37.56 | stew | hendrik123: do you use courier? |
| 18:38.09 | stew | sladi: you had the problem where multiple completely independent applications sometimes mystereiously interpreted several button 5 events as a button 4 event? |
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| 18:38.36 | hendrik123 | stew: yes courier is running |
| 18:38.48 | stew | hendrik123: which auth method are you using for courier? |
| 18:39.06 | stew | hendrik123: i mean, what are you authing against? are you actually trying to use vchkps |
| 18:39.12 | hendrik123 | stew: authvchkpw |
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| 18:39.21 | mysterycool | =] |
| 18:39.41 | stew | hendrik123: i'd recommend trying to use apt-file to search for the .so file it's complaining about: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 18:40.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Great... "ERROR: The CC sanity check failed: The C compiler '/usr/bin/gcc4.1' does not appear to be able to create executables. Please make sure you have your Linux distribution's libc development package installed and that '/usr/bin/gcc4.1' is a valid C compiler name." |
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| 18:40.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I do? |
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| 18:40.17 | kzar | Anyone know where I can find a Firefox3 backport for etch? |
| 18:40.20 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Sure you don't mean /usr/bin/gcc-4.1? |
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| 18:40.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Umm... that might be the problem. *feels stupid* |
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| 18:41.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now I got a different error |
| 18:41.09 | hendrik123 | stew: you mean apt-cache search libauthvchkpw ? :S |
| 18:41.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | "Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. |
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| 18:42.39 | stew | hendrik123: no |
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| 18:43.09 | andy_ | I have a pkcs7 file I got back from verisign - when i use openssl pkcs7 -in thefile -inform pem openssl says PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:632:Expecting: PKCS7. What gives? |
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| 18:43.24 | vdsy | fairly new to debian...installed it BUT wireless isn't working..it sees my wireless card, but "ifconfig -a" doesn't show my wireless, and ive also got the driver for it |
| 18:43.24 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: oops yeah, sorry gcc-4.1 not gcc4.1 |
| 18:43.50 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone has noticed that fonts are smaller with xorg 7.4? |
| 18:43.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | No problem, but the thing still refuses to compile |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | _Brandon_: in Debian ? |
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| 18:44.27 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: yeah I haven't tested other distro |
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| 18:44.36 | harfg0 | hi |
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| 18:44.40 | harfg0 | I just ran tasksel |
| 18:44.52 | harfg0 | why is it rmeoving 945932458934859 packages!!! ??? |
| 18:45.05 | harfg0 | all i did was disable the printer spooler for christ sake |
| 18:45.26 | themill_ | _Brandon_: where have you got xorg 7.4 from? |
| 18:45.39 | _Brandon_ | themill_: from debian repository |
| 18:45.50 | abrotman | no? |
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| 18:46.03 | themill_ | _Brandon_: which one... xorg 7.4 hasn't been released yet so you're not helping yourself yet... |
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| 18:46.49 | _Brandon_ | are you sure? 7.4.1 has been released some days ago |
| 18:46.53 | harfg0 | Ah that is mad |
| 18:47.01 | _Brandon_ | the exact debian version is 2:1.4.1~git20080517-2 |
| 18:47.03 | harfg0 | thanks who ever made tasksel you are a fucking arse ;( |
| 18:47.09 | harfg0 | you just murdered my box |
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| 18:47.23 | themill_ | _Brandon_: version of what? |
| 18:47.32 | _Brandon_ | themill_: xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:47.55 | rahul | brandom_: what makes you think that's not the version for xorg 7.4.1? |
| 18:48.02 | rahul | gah |
| 18:48.11 | rahul | breaks _Brandon_'s _ |
| 18:48.16 | themill_ | _Brandon_: I'm not seeing 7.4 in that version string anyway... |
| 18:48.25 | rahul | themill_: 7 = 1 :) |
| 18:48.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now the old version of Nvidia I used won't compile, either |
| 18:48.29 | _Brandon_ | well debian packages doesn't have 7 |
| 18:48.50 | rahul | xorg version is different from the version of the server |
| 18:49.03 | themill_ | _Brandon_: ffs. that's because it's not version 7.4. It's version 7.3 with modular components that have a version of 1.4.blah. |
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| 18:49.50 | micols__ | i am taring a lot of folders into a .tar archive, how do i tar without storing folders ?, i want all files in same dir in the tar file |
| 18:49.53 | micols__ | they all have unique names, so it isnt stupid :) |
| 18:49.56 | kantor | Nyle, are you there ? |
| 18:50.05 | jelly-home | micols__: you can't |
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| 18:50.12 | micols__ | jelly-home: must be possible somehow :) |
| 18:50.19 | rahul | micols__: nope, it's not possible |
| 18:50.20 | micols__ | with some hack |
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| 18:50.22 | themill_ | _Brandon_: When you ask volunteers to help you, please try provide useful and sensible information and don't make shit up as you go along. It shouldn't have taken this much effort to (a) find out that you are running sid and (b) what version of xorg you're actually talking about. |
| 18:50.26 | rahul | micols__: you need to have the tar source, yes |
| 18:50.28 | jelly-home | micols__: why not create a new directory and hardlink all the files there |
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| 18:50.44 | micols__ | or cd into each dir |
| 18:50.48 | micols__ | and append the file to the tar :) |
| 18:50.52 | rahul | yes |
| 18:50.54 | _Brandon_ | themill_: yeah well I didn't see that xorg was still 7.3 |
| 18:50.54 | rahul | that will work |
| 18:50.56 | jelly-home | micols__: ew. |
| 18:51.03 | rahul | micols__: you can do that with find -type d, too |
| 18:51.12 | micols__ | jelly-home: :) the new dir wouldnt be much better :) |
| 18:51.16 | rahul | well, kind of |
| 18:51.26 | abrotman | _Brandon_: and the x.org website says 7.3 is still the current release |
| 18:51.30 | jelly-home | micols__: I dare think it's rather more elegant |
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| 18:51.42 | nabcore | I've been reading the bugthread recently concerning the namechange of firefox to iceweasle and it's interesting to note that without this change, debian would not be able to apply bug fixes to very old versions of firefox. |
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| 18:52.09 | rahul | fonts are screwed up in xemacs, but not smaller |
| 18:52.20 | rahul | at least, firefox's fonts are the same |
| 18:52.37 | rahul | but then again, firefox probably doesn't use X for fonts |
| 18:53.02 | _Brandon_ | I have smaller fonts in firefox and all kde apps |
| 18:53.22 | micols__ | jelly-home: its for php code |
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| 18:53.25 | nabcore | Given this, how is it possible for ubuntu, which uses the firefox name, to promise LTS for 5 years since there is the possibility mozilla may turn around and say, "actually, you can't patch that... we want you to upgrade to FF5" |
| 18:53.30 | micols__ | jelly-home: i am doing tar of picture files on the fly |
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| 18:53.40 | micols__ | jelly-home: so i wonder what would be most elegant :) |
| 18:53.49 | jelly-home | micols__: not using php. |
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| 18:53.57 | nabcore | I know that this is not #ubuntu, but I just want to be clear that I've understood the renaming reasons |
| 18:54.16 | jelly-home | nabcore: ask them? |
| 18:54.21 | rahul | _Brandon_: you probably had some file where you manually inserted a dpi parameter overwritten in the upgrade |
| 18:54.38 | keith4 | nabcore: it's all explained in the wikipedia entry |
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| 18:55.05 | micols__ | jelly-home: i think you're being rather conservative :) |
| 18:55.16 | nabcore | keith4; is that debian's wiki or wikipedia's? |
| 18:55.28 | keith4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla |
| 18:55.32 | jelly-home | micols__: no, php automatically gives you a -2 penalty to elegance. |
| 18:55.33 | nabcore | ah thanks |
| 18:55.39 | keith4 | sorry, I thought "wikipedia" clearly meant... wikipedia |
| 18:55.43 | _Brandon_ | rahul: yeah maybe |
| 18:55.54 | micols__ | jelly-home: on the fly taring of files is elegant :) |
| 18:56.25 | rahul | micols__: so your net elegance is at -1 |
| 18:56.28 | micols__ | so i guess we're at zero |
| 18:56.29 | micols__ | :) |
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| 18:56.42 | test | anyone using monit? |
| 18:57.08 | rahul | micols__: no, no, _wanting_ to use php gives you an additional -2. on the fly tarring is a +3 :) |
| 18:57.25 | keith4 | !anyone |
| 18:57.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:57.27 | nabcore | keith4; sorry, some projects have their own wikis and sometimes within the context of a channel, a user may refere to it as a wikipedia. I just wanted to check. |
| 18:57.30 | zapphire | im trying to get it to ping a url to check if its up, but i cant make it work, could someone with monit knowlage give me a hand? |
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| 18:57.52 | jelly-home | zapphire: ping an url? |
| 18:57.55 | zapphire | well, the issue is that its not working, simply |
| 18:57.56 | zapphire | yea |
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| 18:58.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: ping does http now! |
| 18:58.09 | zapphire | check if a url is up |
| 18:58.10 | micols__ | hehe rahul i am creating an opensource picture gallery with on the fly taring of folders/pictures by persons/place/description etc and fullscreen slideshow, showing other pictures from same year when viewing pictures etc |
| 18:58.13 | jelly-home | zapphire: don't your mean http GET an URL, or http HEAD at least? |
| 18:58.16 | zapphire | not ping as in ping |
| 18:58.22 | zapphire | yea |
| 18:58.26 | zapphire | thats what i mean |
| 18:58.28 | TinoW | btw, is there a safe procedure to disable memory overcommit and the OOM-Killer? |
| 18:58.28 | micols__ | and 100% scaleable to all browser resolutions, thumbnails scale up/down. |
| 18:58.40 | micols__ | works from 640x480 to 2048x1536 to what i have tested |
| 18:58.42 | zapphire | check host localhost with address 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:58.43 | zapphire | if failed url http://localhost/index.htmlasd then |
| 18:58.48 | zapphire | do action |
| 18:58.55 | zapphire | else do action2 |
| 18:59.01 | zapphire | it should work but its not |
| 18:59.04 | zapphire | for some reason |
| 18:59.11 | jelly-home | zapphire: ok. Now I can safely say I don't use monit. |
| 18:59.13 | zapphire | i get it working when checking for eaxmple if apache is working |
| 18:59.24 | zapphire | now? |
| 18:59.36 | rahul | TinoW: disabling both would be contradictory |
| 18:59.46 | TinoW | rahul: why so? |
| 19:00.04 | rahul | TinoW: if you disable overcommit, you can't run your application |
| 19:00.15 | rahul | so you'll never run out of memory |
| 19:00.15 | zapphire | anyone using monit? |
| 19:00.33 | TinoW | thinks memory overcommit and oom-killer is at least as bad idea [tm] as seeding a random number generator just with process-id... ;) |
| 19:00.46 | oxi | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:00.50 | oxi | what can I do? |
| 19:00.56 | TinoW | rahul: why cant I run my application? |
| 19:00.56 | themill_ | oxi: read the web page again |
| 19:00.58 | oxi | I got this using apt-get update |
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| 19:01.02 | micols__ | what is monit ? same as gnucash? |
| 19:01.10 | oxi | themill: ok, thx |
| 19:01.14 | stew | oxi: if you want to verify those packages, read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 19:01.20 | rahul | TinoW: if it needs overcommit, how can you run it when you forbid overcommit? |
| 19:01.21 | HardDisk_WP | how do I add a quicklink into iceweasel? |
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| 19:01.29 | oxi | stew: ok, thanks |
| 19:01.31 | TinoW | rahul: why would it _need_ overcommit? I |
| 19:01.32 | HardDisk_WP | so i type "wp Hauptseite" into address bar |
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| 19:01.39 | TinoW | I'd say the app is broken then |
| 19:01.40 | HardDisk_WP | and get to de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptseite |
| 19:01.43 | HardDisk_WP | any idea? |
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| 19:01.51 | rahul | TinoW: not really. |
| 19:01.58 | jelly-home | rahul: if the app wants to allocate more than his ram+swap at start, it's safe to assume it's buggy. |
| 19:02.03 | rahul | jelly-home: nope |
| 19:02.03 | themill_ | HardDisk_WP: create a bookmark with de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s and a keyword of wp |
| 19:02.05 | TinoW | rahul: last not least how would that very application run on an OS w/o overcommit? |
| 19:02.09 | jelly-home | rahul: YEAH |
| 19:02.19 | jelly-home | nyeh-nyeh! |
| 19:02.24 | rahul | jelly-home: it's safe to assume the linux kernel doesn't allow reasonable control over the memory space |
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| 19:02.35 | HardDisk_WP | themill_, ok...do I have to put it in a special folder? |
| 19:02.44 | themill_ | HardDisk_WP: no. |
| 19:02.54 | grul | sorry, wrong window |
| 19:02.57 | jelly-home | rahul: it does. you can disable overcommit and let stuff work like it does on, say, Solaris. |
| 19:03.01 | TinoW | rahul: it makes no sense to allocate more memory as you are going to use |
| 19:03.08 | rahul | TinoW: you don't know that |
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| 19:03.40 | jelly-home | awaits a reasonable case for allowing an app to alloc more than mem+swap. |
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| 19:03.55 | TinoW | rahul: if one really wants to introduce a sensible solution, implement a reserve_memory() call which could tell the OS that this application evntually wants to allocate memory later on |
| 19:03.57 | rahul | jelly-home: because it needs that part of the memory space |
| 19:04.15 | themill_ | jelly-home: wait for the uberleet who wants swap argument next. |
| 19:04.17 | TinoW | rahul: I know, if the app is broken, fix the app |
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| 19:04.21 | abrotman | RING RING! |
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| 19:04.36 | MrTelephone | does anyone know if you can have a condition= in the router section of the exim4.conf file? |
| 19:04.45 | dondelelcaro | MrTelephone: #exim does |
| 19:05.13 | jelly-home | rahul: why would an app "oh, let's alloc 16GiB and only use the bits at 15-15.1. |
| 19:05.22 | rahul | jelly-home: it doesn't know that |
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| 19:05.29 | oxi | apt-get install sun-java6-javadb ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: sun-java6-javadb: Depends: sun-java6-jdk (= 6-06-1~bpo40+1) but 6-00-2~bpo.1 is to be installed |
| 19:05.30 | oxi | apt-get install sun-java6-jdk ... sun-java6-jdk is already the newest version. |
| 19:05.34 | oxi | what should I do? |
| 19:05.40 | jelly-home | rahul: it's buggy, then. I won't run it. |
| 19:05.51 | rahul | jelly-home: if you say so |
| 19:06.01 | jelly-home | rahul: I do. |
| 19:06.01 | TinoW | rahul: how would that app run on other OS? |
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| 19:06.17 | rahul | TinoW: maybe the other OS has some guarantees about how it allocates memory |
| 19:06.33 | jelly-home | TinoW: more important is, why would a sensible app need to do that? |
| 19:06.44 | themill_ | oxi: apt-get -t eetch-backports install sun-java6-javadb |
| 19:06.51 | TinoW | rahul: the garantie is easy, if the app wants memory and there is (mem+swap) then give it, otherwise return error on malloc() |
| 19:06.57 | oxi | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 19:07.00 | TinoW | rahul: thats pretty easy, isnt it? ;) |
| 19:07.05 | rahul | TinoW: malloc() is primitive |
| 19:07.08 | themill_ | oxi: erm... with the correct number of "e"'s in it. |
| 19:07.14 | rahul | it forbids many useful strategies |
| 19:07.26 | TinoW | rahul: but malloc() has an interface to tell the app there is not enough memory |
| 19:07.40 | jelly-home | (and so does brk()) |
| 19:07.45 | TinoW | rahul: this is not the case when the app wants to write and some other app gets killed |
| 19:07.46 | rahul | TinoW: it also doesn't have an interface to deal with addresses used as a base |
| 19:08.06 | TinoW | rahul: nobody cares about that. Memory addresses are not real |
| 19:08.10 | rahul | uh |
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| 19:08.18 | oxi | themill: yep, I figured that "e" out. And it worked perfectly. Thanks. |
| 19:08.20 | rahul | they're useful for computation when you're managing memory |
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| 19:08.28 | TinoW | rahul: there is an MMU |
| 19:08.36 | themill_ | oxi: no worries. |
| 19:09.09 | jelly-home | finds overcommit useful primarily for apps that leak address space. :-) |
| 19:09.13 | rahul | TinoW: an MMU can't manage memory for real apps |
| 19:09.29 | themill_ | suspects that the finer details of memory management are better discussed in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:09.37 | TinoW | rahul: well it does. You as app get a continous address space |
| 19:09.39 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, whats is the correct way to install firefox 3 on debian lenny? |
| 19:09.42 | rahul | TinoW: sometimes you need write barriers, etc |
| 19:10.01 | rahul | and MMUs do that pretty badly |
| 19:10.10 | rahul | they also handle multiple memory spaces pretty badly |
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| 19:10.30 | TinoW | rahul: so you rather want OOM kick in and kill your X? |
| 19:10.41 | rahul | TinoW: no, I'd rather have OOM be sensible |
| 19:10.48 | TinoW | rahul: it can never be |
| 19:10.53 | rahul | heh |
| 19:11.06 | TinoW | rahul: because the whole Idea of it is silly :) |
| 19:11.07 | themill_ | rahul, TinoW: there are plenty of places that you can have this discussion and this is not the best one. Please pick another. #debian-offtopic is waiting for you... |
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| 19:11.24 | mpearrow | what's the magic for installing etch on a system with a SATA optical drive? |
| 19:11.41 | mpearrow | the debian wiki page that everyone references on this issue doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:11.53 | TinoW | themill_: well, the real question was something different. Debian also implements security patches and similar so I'd say this discussion fits perfectly here |
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| 19:12.20 | themill_ | TinoW: no, this is not a discussion channel at all. This is a user support channel. |
| 19:12.21 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: either wait for a package of can't-believe-it's-not-firefox 3 to appear in the repo, or install the upstream tarball in, say, /opt/firefox |
| 19:12.43 | TinoW | themill_: well, please support me and tell me how I can savely disable it :-) |
| 19:12.52 | TinoW | in Debian :-) |
| 19:13.03 | rahul | TinoW: don't use apps that need it |
| 19:13.21 | TinoW | rahul: err. You don't understand... |
| 19:13.34 | themill_ | TinoW: nfc. Ask the channel not me. And ask and answer questions rather than arguing. |
| 19:13.45 | rahul | TinoW: I do understand |
| 19:13.54 | rahul | TinoW: you said you can't tolerate your program's bugs. don't use it |
| 19:13.57 | TinoW | themill_: well nobody answered my question instead arguing started :-) |
| 19:14.01 | jelly-home | TinoW: man 5 proc, /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 19:14.11 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, if I pick the 2nd option, how do I tell my system to use firefox3 instead iceweasel, and how would I manage the upgrades? |
| 19:14.14 | TinoW | jelly-home: yes, but that allone does not work :-) |
| 19:14.24 | jelly-home | TinoW: huh? |
| 19:14.33 | TinoW | jelly-home: check google :-) |
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| 19:14.40 | rahul | jelly-home: his program that needs overcommit breaks |
| 19:15.16 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: your packaging system wouldn't know about it, you'd need to eg. symlink the binary into /usr/local/bin or add it to the path |
| 19:15.28 | TinoW | jelly-home: if it was so easy I would not ask :-) vm.overcommit_memory=2; vm.overcommit_ratio=90; seems to work but I'm missing explanation why and where are the limits |
| 19:16.08 | TinoW | rahul: if you just disable, you cannot run simple commands even if there is plenty free memory |
| 19:16.09 | rahul | In mode 2 (available since Linux 2.6), ... |
| 19:16.15 | jelly-home | TinoW: lkml is that way --> (or try ##kernel) |
| 19:16.23 | rahul | TinoW: oooo buggy program! |
| 19:16.30 | rahul | simple commands are buggy! |
| 19:16.34 | TinoW | rahul: ls is a buggy program? :) |
| 19:16.38 | TinoW | or man? :) |
| 19:16.42 | rahul | TinoW: according to you... |
| 19:16.50 | TinoW | argh |
| 19:16.52 | Corrine | How do I set up the client side of an NFS mount? |
| 19:16.53 | rahul | TinoW: it requires overcommit, so obviously it's buggy |
| 19:16.59 | TinoW | rahul: no, it doesnt |
| 19:17.11 | themill_ | TinoW, rahul: move on, please. ffs. |
| 19:17.46 | jelly-home | themill_: silence them! |
| 19:18.09 | TinoW | themill_: is there any "dont argue here" channel where we 3 can meet? ;) |
| 19:18.33 | rahul | fight club? |
| 19:18.37 | themill_ | TinoW: there's a please argue here channel in #debian-offtopic. |
| 19:18.38 | jelly-home | TinoW: ##kernel, or #debian-offtopic |
| 19:18.48 | TinoW | themill_: will you be there? |
| 19:18.52 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, is there a way to know when the debian users (at least the testing users) would be able to find iceweasel 3 on our repos? |
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| 19:19.14 | themill_ | TinoW: ffs... check for yourself |
| 19:19.26 | TinoW | .oO(gonzal will probably refered to #debian-iceweasle now ;)) |
| 19:19.33 | rahul | TinoW: why are you worried about whether someone who doesn't want to talk about your problem will be there when you discuss it or not... heh |
| 19:19.45 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: no idea there |
| 19:19.52 | jelly-home | !info iceweasel experimental |
| 19:20.06 | rahul | gonzaloaf_work: how would anyone be able to guess that? |
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| 19:20.18 | rahul | gonzaloaf_work: if you want it done faster, help out |
| 19:20.21 | themill_ | gonzaloaf_work: you can subscribe to the package on the package tracking system. |
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| 19:20.47 | rahul | gonzaloaf_work: otherwise, it will be whenever it's able to be put into testing |
| 19:20.50 | gonzaloaf_work | themill_, thanks |
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| 19:26.38 | gentlyninja | i made dist-upgrade from etch-stable to testing and when i boot new kernel it hangs at "waiting for root file system". how can i fix that? |
| 19:27.12 | jelly-home | gentlyninja: try booting the old kernel? |
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| 19:27.36 | ktwilight | i need a hint from dpkg for using dpkg --build, any clues? |
| 19:27.53 | gentlyninja | jelly-home, i did, but want to run the new one |
| 19:27.55 | ktwilight | i tried dpkg-build, and dpkg-deb, but dpkg ignores me :( |
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| 19:28.22 | squidly_ | hello. I'm having an issue with using Etch on an ibm x335. I can seem to get the serial port working |
| 19:28.28 | squidly_ | does anyone know the fix for it? |
| 19:28.32 | stew | ktwilight: its pretty simple. what is the problem you are having exactly? |
| 19:28.32 | jelly-home | ktwilight: "/msg dpkg listvalues foo" finds all the factoids containing foo |
| 19:28.45 | stew | ktwilight: i mean with dpkg --build, not with the bot |
| 19:28.51 | ktwilight | jelly-home, awesome, thanks |
| 19:29.12 | ktwilight | stew, yup, well, i just want to learn more about it, i thought dpkg (bot) can give me some prelim stuff to read up on |
| 19:29.19 | jelly-home | just knows about "dpkg -b directory-with-unpacked-package ." |
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| 19:29.29 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 19:29.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 19:29.36 | ktwilight | stew, basically, i have a deb package that i'd need to rebuild with specific debian/rules |
| 19:29.46 | ktwilight | stoned, sweet, thanks :) |
| 19:29.56 | stoned | ktwilight, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 19:29.57 | stew | ktwilight: then you don't want dpkg --build, you want /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:29.57 | jelly-home | ktwilight: you'll need dpkg-buildpackage then |
| 19:30.20 | ktwilight | ok, thanks! will look into it :) |
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| 19:31.24 | jelly-home | ¡no, debian/rules is <reply>it/does |
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| 19:32.32 | YokoZar | So, a fresh default install of etch into vmware results in a broken x server |
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| 19:33.20 | Phase | Are there any tools that are in the base install for different encoding/decoding methods (base64) |
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| 19:34.49 | stoned | Phase, it does not. |
| 19:35.07 | jelly-home | hm, is perl in base? |
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| 19:35.28 | jelly-home | if it was, there would be MIME::Base64 |
| 19:35.32 | stoned | Phase, afaik its out of the base system, aka in the respository |
| 19:36.10 | Phase | I'll check. |
| 19:36.16 | stew | Phase: yes, base64 is in coreutils |
| 19:36.16 | Phase | Thanks stoned, jelly-home |
| 19:36.21 | stew | Phase: (man base64) |
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| 19:36.28 | oxi | what's the right way to add javadb support for tomcat when I installed tomcat and javadb through apt? |
| 19:36.29 | Phase | Ahh. |
| 19:36.31 | Phase | Thanks. |
| 19:36.37 | stew | hmm, but only recently, maybe not in etch |
| 19:37.00 | stoned | stew, who uses etch? ;) |
| 19:37.04 | oxi | should I rather set the class paths or symlinc the javadb.jar into the tomcat lib folder? |
| 19:37.17 | Phase | I use lenny. |
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| 19:38.00 | jelly-home | right, no bin/base64 in stable's coreutils |
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| 19:38.49 | jelly-home | Phase: you do, but will your production machine use lenny as well? |
| 19:39.00 | jelly-home | (and why? :-) |
| 19:39.51 | zyx386 | hi |
| 19:40.34 | zyx386 | i have by configuration the PPPOECONF this error" Sorry, I scanned I Interface, But th access concentratorof your provider did nnot respond. please cheak your networkand modem cable. another reason for the scan failor may also be another running pppoe process ehich controls the modem." icnat connect |
| 19:40.58 | Phase | jelly-home, I don't have any production servers. |
| 19:40.59 | Phase | :P |
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| 19:41.32 | jelly-home | AND YOU NEVER WILL |
| 19:41.37 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:41.57 | zyx386 | can anyone help??? |
| 19:42.05 | infinitycircuit | zyx386, what is your problem |
| 19:42.16 | endless | hello, is there any non-free or whatever pkg of firefox in debian ? |
| 19:42.19 | Phase | jelly-home, Not true :p |
| 19:42.22 | zyx386 | infiSorry, I scanned I Interface, But th access concentratorof your provider did nnot respond. please cheak your networkand modem cable. another reason for the scan failor may also be another running pppoe process ehich controls the modem. |
| 19:42.28 | infinitycircuit | endless, no, there is only iceweasel |
| 19:42.32 | stoned | no |
| 19:42.37 | Phase | jelly-home, I'd probably use debian stable, or maybe something like centos if I did :P |
| 19:42.40 | azeem | zyx386: you just said that |
| 19:42.52 | stoned | you can easily make firefox into a package for yourself as a *deb |
| 19:43.06 | jelly-home | Phase: my suggestion is to use MIME::Base64, then. |
| 19:43.06 | stoned | if you want ff, just stick with IW |
| 19:43.12 | stew | endless: firefox is named iceweasel in debian |
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| 19:43.16 | zyx386 | azeem, i install pppoeconf and plug the dsl cabel |
| 19:43.23 | zyx386 | but i cant connect |
| 19:43.24 | Phase | jelly-home, It's just to play with on the home desktop :p |
| 19:43.30 | endless | stew: i know, but are there any other changes to FF except the rebranding |
| 19:43.50 | jelly-home | Phase: while it isn't in base system, it's in "perl" package which is a very common dependency. |
| 19:43.58 | stew | endless: there are possibly security fixes and support for pango fonts |
| 19:44.20 | Phase | I've got `base64` already.. Something else must have installed it :p |
| 19:44.28 | litage | wow, Mozilla's having some problems. i go to http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox and it says "Firefox 3" in big letters, but below there, it says "2.0.0.14", and clicking "Free Download" results in FFv2 being downloaded |
| 19:44.34 | jelly-home | you have lenny's coreutils |
| 19:44.37 | Phase | Plus, I dislike perl, for personal reasons. |
| 19:44.44 | jelly-home | heh |
| 19:44.50 | Phase | I'd rather write a php script to do it.. |
| 19:44.57 | zyx386 | infinitycircuit, are you understand my problem? |
| 19:45.44 | infinitycircuit | zyx386, sorry i can't help with modem issues |
| 19:46.16 | jelly-home | Phase: that was from a minimal-cruft point, if installing extra stuff is not an issue, you'll use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 19:46.19 | zyx386 | ok azeem |
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| 19:47.04 | Phase | jelly-home, Ahh. Yeah. :) |
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| 19:49.43 | endless | iceweasel doesn't seam to work in unstable so that solves the FF problem :) |
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| 19:51.08 | ktwilight | ok, so, is it possible to create a deb for etch on a lenny machine? 'cuz i can't find anything in debuild and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:51.10 | infinitycircuit | endless: iceweasel works fine for me |
| 19:51.14 | stew | endless: be more specific. what do you mean by "doesn't seam to work" |
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| 19:51.17 | stew | endless: did you check the bts? |
| 19:51.32 | stew | ktwilight: use pbuilder or cowbuilder |
| 19:51.37 | endless | infinitycircuit: what version of the pkg ? |
| 19:51.39 | zyx386 | i have modem configuration problem or ADSL configuration, can anyone help me? |
| 19:51.41 | infinitycircuit | ktwilight: you can use debootstrap to build a chrooted etch environment inside lenny |
| 19:52.03 | infinitycircuit | endless: Installed: 3.0~rc2-1 |
| 19:52.08 | ktwilight | ah~ debian has so many tricks up its sleeves :) |
| 19:52.20 | ktwilight | stew, infinitycircuit, thanks! shall look into it. |
| 19:52.33 | infinitycircuit | ktwilight: listen to stew first he knows more :) |
| 19:52.36 | endless | infinitycircuit: same here |
| 19:52.43 | ktwilight | :) |
| 19:52.57 | JyZyXEL | !stew |
| 19:52.58 | dpkg | stew is probably a nasty bugger |
| 19:52.59 | infinitycircuit | endless: is it a profile problem? what if you mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla2 |
| 19:53.04 | endless | stew: fails to start under KDE, no error msg on screen or on console or a log file |
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| 19:53.39 | stew | endless: make sure there are no instances of "firefox-bin" or "iceweasel-bin" running before you start it, then run it from a command line |
| 19:54.13 | nabcore | litage; mozilla really screwed the pooch with the launch today... it seems like they did not have enough bandwidth for their launch "stunt" |
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| 19:54.46 | infinitycircuit | yeah it was down earlier but i just did my token download and got 80 kb/s |
| 19:55.09 | litage | nabcore: yeah i noticed that. i was downloading FF3 en-US from some Russian mirror at 1.4KB/s , but when i switched to the en-GB version, i got 400KB/s from an easynews.com mirror |
| 19:55.12 | helo | i'm having a problem with dhcp3-server not giving my pxe-booting clients a filename... i have a filename = "pxelinux.0", but looking at tftp logs, i don't see any evidence that the client is being told to request the file |
| 19:55.36 | endless | stew infinitycircuit: problem solved... strange i just installed the system, just installed the pkg, im running kde as normal user and the ~/.mozilla directory was owned by root |
| 19:55.40 | helo | anyone know hwere i might be able to start to get some headway |
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| 19:56.09 | nabcore | litage; you had the typical headless monkies flapping about in #firefox with admins shouting in vain not to post links to mirrors |
| 19:56.21 | helo | i have turned on verbose logging from the tftp server, and i can tftp files locally without trouble |
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| 19:56.58 | litage | nabcore: both the Russian and EasyNews mirrors were served to me via mozilla.com .. |
| 19:57.17 | nabcore | litage; ok |
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| 19:57.29 | nabcore | but other than the lauch issues, I've been running FF3 RCs for a while now and it's great |
| 19:57.56 | litage | nabcore: yeah, me too. i love being able to restore closed tabs |
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| 19:58.27 | nabcore | yup; it's all good |
| 19:58.30 | themill | mumbles something about the session manager plugin for ff2 |
| 19:58.39 | jelly-home | litage: I love that 3-yr old feature in Opera too |
| 19:58.45 | litage | hahah |
| 19:58.58 | infinitycircuit | ctrl+shift+t always restored tabs |
| 19:59.05 | infinitycircuit | since firefox 2 |
| 19:59.14 | litage | infinitycircuit: really? hah, i had no idea |
| 19:59.25 | litage | i hate Opera's keyboard shortcuts. they're so counterintuitive to me |
| 19:59.25 | nabcore | Although, the launch of FF3 drew me to look over the whole debain renaming of FF to Iceweasle.... |
| 19:59.58 | helo | anyone know where i can find some help debugging a pxe-booting dhcp server configuration? |
| 20:00.18 | infinitycircuit | helo: sorry i have only used knoppix for network booting and that's all automated |
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| 20:00.49 | nabcore | ... and I don't see what the issue is... Debian have taken a logical route given a set of contraints |
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| 20:13.44 | helo | i can't figure out why this dhcp3-server isn't handing out the filename i ahve listed in the config file |
| 20:14.12 | helo | the only thing i can think of is to get the code for it, and put in some printfs to try to figure out why |
| 20:15.01 | helo | i am in a terrible mess :/ |
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| 20:16.10 | helo | what are the steps to download a package's source, make changes (i can do this without instrs), then compile a .deb with the changes? |
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| 20:16.41 | deltas4 | how do I disable or remove the ugly 75 and 100dpi fonts so it uses only the ttfs? |
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| 20:17.07 | endless | helo: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html ? |
| 20:17.10 | dondelelcaro | helo: apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; apt-get builddep foopkg; apt-get source foopkg; munge package; cd foopkg-*; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
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| 20:17.48 | methods | when creating a deb does the fake root have to be owned by root or can i simply tell the --build option to install it as root or something? |
| 20:18.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: munge package is <reply> To munge a source package and make a correponding binary, apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; apt-get build-dep foopkg; apt-get source foopkg; munge package; cd foopkg-*; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 20:18.04 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:18.09 | dondelelcaro | methods: huh? |
| 20:18.21 | dondelelcaro | methods: you just use fakeroot, and it handles all of that for you. |
| 20:18.50 | methods | so it resets the permissions on the files when installing ? |
| 20:18.57 | methods | i mean ownership |
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| 20:19.17 | dondelelcaro | methods: no, it tracks the ownership and permissions of files such that everything running under fakeroot assumes that it's running as root |
| 20:19.26 | dondelelcaro | methods: man fakeroot; if you want to know more details about it. |
| 20:19.47 | methods | dude all i want to do is build packages as a normal user |
| 20:20.10 | Eulex | fakeroot can run as your normal user |
| 20:20.14 | Eulex | notice the 'fake' |
| 20:20.35 | dondelelcaro | methods: yes, that's why fakeroot was invented. |
| 20:20.37 | methods | yea but i want the created deb to install as root |
| 20:20.42 | dondelelcaro | methods: so? |
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| 20:20.57 | Eulex | methods, so run the installation as root? |
| 20:21.14 | mot | when i start gparted |
| 20:21.19 | mot | it just says scanning all devices |
| 20:21.21 | mot | and never stops |
| 20:21.35 | mot | i have an unmounted lvm that i want to dismantle and get space from, think that could be causing the problem? |
| 20:21.44 | helo | anyone happen to know how to increase the verbosity of dhcp3-server? |
| 20:22.49 | methods | does fakeroot actually let you create files owned by root ? |
| 20:23.00 | dondelelcaro | methods: they appear to be, yes. |
| 20:23.14 | methods | ok but if they appear to be how does that help me make a deb ? |
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| 20:23.52 | Wazz | does anyone know where to get a XBMC deb package? or if it even exsists? |
| 20:23.54 | zphinx | my /etc/ssl dir seems full of ssl certs i do not recognize, is this any cause for worry? |
| 20:23.56 | dondelelcaro | methods: because they'll be owned by root inside of the .deb? You could just try the command that I gave previously instead of arguing, for starters, you know. |
| 20:24.02 | Wazz | i dont want to compile xbmc from source |
| 20:24.25 | Wazz | xbmc for linux |
| 20:24.41 | infinitycircuit | Wazz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469397 |
| 20:24.53 | zphinx | like beTRUSTed_Root_CA-Baltimore_Implementation.pem for instance. |
| 20:25.17 | dondelelcaro | zphinx: you mean /etc/ssl/certs, I assume? |
| 20:25.23 | zphinx | yes. |
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| 20:25.47 | dondelelcaro | zphinx: those are certs from the ca-certificates packagess |
| 20:26.06 | methods | dondelelcaro: i don't have a foopkg |
| 20:26.19 | dondelelcaro | zphinx: in theory, that's a list of CA's that are "trusted" to act as root |
| 20:26.39 | dondelelcaro | methods: obviously substitute the package you want to build for foopkg... |
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| 20:27.22 | Wazz | ahh it seems that xbmc-linux is still super buggy....i check on it every few months because its the best media center around |
| 20:27.36 | methods | idk man i'm confused... none of those commands are "dpkg -b fake-root pkg-name.deb" |
| 20:27.52 | Wazz | my modded xbox is getting old and doesnt support high def |
| 20:28.06 | Wazz | i guess ill stick to elisa on linux |
| 20:28.16 | dondelelcaro | methods: wait, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.38 | methods | dondelelcaro: i'm just trying to create a debian package for my project |
| 20:29.10 | dondelelcaro | methods: so you use fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; in the base directory of the package you've created. |
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| 20:29.18 | infinitycircuit | methods: either dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot or fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 20:29.57 | dondelelcaro | methods: you can also use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot; or pdebuild --buildresult ..; or dpkg-source -b; pbuilder --build foo.dsc; or whatever. See the NM guide for full details. |
| 20:30.29 | infinitycircuit | dondelelcaro: is there a good source of documentation for pdebuild i don't think its in NM |
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| 20:30.42 | dondelelcaro | infinitycircuit: man pdebuild; |
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| 20:31.18 | mot | hey |
| 20:31.26 | mot | i get the following error when trying to mount my LVM |
| 20:31.30 | mot | user-3b78dc:/home/mot# mount /dev/dg/dv /DATA -t ext3 |
| 20:31.30 | mot | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/dg-dv, |
| 20:31.34 | jon_high9000 | hi there, i have a question. i have 2006 AMD64 bit Athlon based on that info do you folks see a problem putting Debian on my machine? |
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| 20:31.44 | dondelelcaro | jon_high9000: no. |
| 20:31.55 | mot | any idea why? |
| 20:31.57 | mot | i formatted |
| 20:31.59 | deltas4 | is away: Not here. |
| 20:32.06 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: please turn that off. |
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| 20:32.09 | mot | and everything seems to be in order according to lvdisplay |
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| 20:33.13 | dondelelcaro | mot: assuming /dev/dg/dv is the right device that has an ext3 filesystem, that error is telling you that it hasn't been formatted properly. |
| 20:33.26 | mot | i formatted it with fdisk |
| 20:33.31 | mot | is there another way to do it? |
| 20:33.39 | jon_high9000 | dondelelcaro: i tried a while back to install and it wouldn't install. wouldn't even boot for that matter. |
| 20:33.41 | dondelelcaro | mot: fdisk doesn't format. |
| 20:33.55 | mot | oh i mean i made a partition table. |
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| 20:34.10 | mot | what formats, then? i can't get gparted to open =\ it just says 'scanning all devices' and does nothing.... |
| 20:34.43 | jon_high9000 | dondelelcaro: fyi i am a newbie |
| 20:35.17 | stew | jon_high9000: which install media were you trying to install using? |
| 20:36.19 | jon_high9000 | network install disk i downloaded off the debian site. |
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| 20:36.37 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:36.39 | Ace2016 | how do i start a second X server |
| 20:36.41 | Ace2016 | i'm running xgl now |
| 20:36.56 | Ace2016 | and i want to run a plain X server to play ut2004 without logging out |
| 20:37.02 | Vasistha | mot: mke2fs would format it |
| 20:37.10 | noisesmith | Ace2016: xinit -- :1 will start a second server |
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| 20:37.19 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016: xserver-xephyr can help you start multiple x servers |
| 20:37.34 | noisesmith | or xinit -- :2 etc the number is a new vt to use |
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| 20:38.00 | noisesmith | Ace2016: this has to be run from a vt |
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| 20:38.17 | sdubois92 | im trying to isntall FF3, and it needed a newer GTK, but the new GTK neeeded a new glib and pango. both glib and pango installed fine, but when i tried to configure the new gtk, it recognizing both the old and new glib |
| 20:38.58 | Vasistha | mot: partitioning defines sections of the disk which are available for different purposes. Kind of like zoning commercial and residential areas in a new town. But you have to build a house on a residential property before someone can live there -- likewise you have to actually format the partition, after partitioning it, before you can use it for data storage |
| 20:38.58 | dondelelcaro | jon_high9000: doesn't really matter; there's nothing intrinsic about that cpu that wouldn't make it installable. |
| 20:38.58 | dondelelcaro | has a ton of them around now |
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| 20:39.34 | zyx386 | How can i connect ot internet with D-Link DSL 200 USB? HELP |
| 20:39.40 | jon_high9000 | i think grub was messing it up possible |
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| 20:40.05 | Ace2016 | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 20:40.15 | Ace2016 | thats what i got from xinit --:1 in konsole |
| 20:40.32 | jon_high9000 | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 20:41.24 | zyx386 | can anyone answe me plz? |
| 20:41.39 | zyx386 | How can i connect ot internet with D-Link DSL 200 USB MODEM? HELP |
| 20:41.39 | SQLDb | anyone know why Iceweasel (in sid) would have lost all menus, (file tools, etc, and, the right click menus)? I just updated, and I think it upgraded iceweasel to 3.0 |
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| 20:41.59 | SQLDb | zygolak: google for drivers? |
| 20:42.00 | stew | Ace2016: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 20:42.57 | infinitycircuit | SQLDb: that's strange. try backing up ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla2 and restarting it |
| 20:43.15 | SQLDb | infinitycircuit: I'll try that, thanks |
| 20:43.37 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I run debian etch on a server and keep having problems with clamav not creating clamd.ctl. I found out that this is a known issue with 0.90.1. Whats the best way to get a newer version? Thanks |
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| 20:44.15 | infinitycircuit | !tell Gokee2 about debian-volatile |
| 20:44.24 | SQLDb | infinitycircuit: nah, didn't get it (there's like an itty bitty 2 or 3px box that pops up when I right click...) I think I'm gonna try restarting gnome |
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| 20:44.56 | Ace2016 | Fatal server error: |
| 20:44.56 | Ace2016 | Server is already active for display 0 |
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| 20:45.12 | deltas4 | is away: Not here. |
| 20:45.18 | stew | Ace2016: what command gave you that? |
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| 20:45.26 | stew | deltas4: please turn that off in here |
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| 20:45.40 | Ace2016 | xinit --:2 and xinit --:1 |
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| 20:46.10 | stew | Ace2016: should that be 'xinit -- :1" instead of "xinit --:1"? |
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| 20:46.50 | Gokee2 | infinitycircuit, Ok thanks |
| 20:46.51 | Ace2016 | ace@Linux:~$ xinit --:1 |
| 20:46.55 | Ace2016 | just that |
| 20:47.14 | stew | Ace2016: i believe you want "xinit -- :1" not "xinit --:1" |
| 20:47.36 | zyx386 | stew, can you help me |
| 20:47.45 | Ace2016 | what is the difference? |
| 20:48.11 | deltas4 | isn't there any script that configures keyboard layout for X? |
| 20:48.26 | SPF | what is the best approach to get firefox 3 working? compile gtk 2.10 yourself or going to sid? |
| 20:48.35 | stew | Ace2016: -- tells xinit to stop processing command line arguments and sen any further arguments to the X process itself. --:1 is an unknown argument to xinit which is probably ignored |
| 20:48.43 | chops | SPF: Going to sid (or doing a simple sid backport) is better than compiling things like firefox yourself |
| 20:48.50 | chops | SPF: What are you running right now? |
| 20:48.54 | stew | zyx386: i don't know anything about that |
| 20:49.26 | SPF | chops: 4.0 stable |
| 20:49.40 | stew | SPF: no, you do not want to go to sid |
| 20:49.41 | chops | SPF: Oof |
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| 20:49.55 | stew | SPF: your best bet is probably to wait for a backport |
| 20:50.14 | chops | SPF: I don't know how involved a backport would be, but I'd recommend trying that route rather than going to sid. I actually would be willing to bet that a backport will come along pretty shortly. |
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| 20:50.49 | SPF | chops: ok, thx |
| 20:50.50 | stew | i bet it will not be all that shortly, as a bunch of RC bugs will be filed against iceweasel keeping it out of testing for a while |
| 20:50.54 | deltas4 | stew: what's the debian installation script for configuring keyboard that writes the config to xorg.conf? |
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| 20:51.29 | stew | deltas4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:51.43 | stew | deltas4: please turn off your away notifications in this channel |
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| 20:52.02 | deltas4 | oh sorry I didn't know this was sending notifications |
| 20:52.08 | Ace2016 | Thanks it worked, i missed the space |
| 20:52.36 | SQLDb | ahh, restarting X got it :) |
| 20:52.50 | SPF | maybe I could go evil by using wine firefox3 :) |
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| 20:53.11 | wfq | hi |
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| 20:53.35 | chops | SPF: Heh |
| 20:54.14 | wfq | is there an GUI-interface for samba configuration on Debian? |
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| 20:54.33 | chops | SPF: I used to keep a wine Firefox installation around flash-using sites, before I humbled myself and finally installed the non-free plugin |
| 20:55.04 | SPF | chops: hehehe :) |
| 20:55.05 | adama | SQLDb: I had that happen, you just needed to kill iceweasel, there was a process stuck in the background somewhere for me |
| 20:55.25 | Eulex | uh, you ran one non-free plugin, before you switched other to another non-free plugin? |
| 20:55.27 | Ace2016 | strange ut2004 won't work |
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| 20:56.08 | SQLDb | adama: ahh, I needed to restart anyhow, updated display drivers :) |
| 20:56.10 | chops | Eulex: I ran one entirely non-free system that was in its own little sandbox and couldn't crap up my main browser. Now I have the non-free plugin in my main browser, and my main browser crashes all the time on flash banner ads and the like. |
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| 20:56.19 | chops | Eulex: I'm no longer as happy as I was back then :-) |
| 20:56.30 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 20:56.35 | twobitwork | does anyone know of a way to get grub to prompt on the serial console? |
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| 20:57.18 | chops | twobitwork: Tried googling for 'grub serial console'? I know grub configuration is part of the serial console HOWTO |
| 20:58.09 | deltas4 | what's the kbd variation that has the deadkeys? |
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| 20:58.33 | Bushmills | chops. the flashblock extension is quite useful. shows a button on each flash presentation. only if clicked will it be opened |
| 20:58.33 | socr | dsdaS |
| 20:58.36 | halflife08 | twobitwork: grub manual has detailed docs on it |
| 20:58.44 | twobitwork | halflife08: ahh... ok, thanks |
| 20:58.45 | deltas4 | deadkeys? |
| 20:59.10 | stew | twobitwork: chapter 7 of the grub-legacy-doc |
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| 20:59.23 | twobitwork | stew: thanks :) |
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| 20:59.46 | jon_high9000 | dondelelcaro: i was checking out booting page http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en |
| 21:00.30 | stew | jon_high9000: those instructions in particular is for when you are trying to install from a hard drive becuase for some reason you cannot install from a CD |
| 21:01.15 | deltas4 | what's the package I need to unrar .rars? |
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| 21:02.12 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: unrar or unrar-free |
| 21:02.13 | noisesmith | deltas4: unrar |
| 21:02.13 | jon_high9000 | stew: i there instructions for put it (Debian ) on the hard disk? |
| 21:02.35 | deltas4 | ah unrar-free thank you |
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| 21:03.11 | jon_high9000 | stew : are there instructions. sorry about the crappy typing. |
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| 21:04.04 | deltas4 | why can unrar be failing? |
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| 21:04.28 | jon_high9000 | stew: i have alredy downloaded 21 disks on cd. |
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| 21:04.46 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: loads of reasons |
| 21:04.53 | kzar | deltas4: What error did it give you? |
| 21:04.58 | kzar | deltas4: What did you type? |
| 21:05.10 | jon_high9000 | stew: used up 21 cd's |
| 21:05.42 | deltas4 | just Failed |
| 21:05.46 | deltas4 | unrar --extract |
| 21:06.01 | deltas4 | Extracting Marillion - Real to Reel (1984)/01. Assassing.mp3 Failed |
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| 21:06.44 | wols_ | deltas4: which unrar is it? |
| 21:06.51 | deltas4 | unrar-free |
| 21:07.04 | deltas4 | guilhermp@debian:~/Desktop$ unrar --version |
| 21:07.05 | deltas4 | unrar 0.0.1 |
| 21:07.18 | wols_ | that's why. if it's compressed with winrar 3.x or so, that algorithm is not supported by unrar-free |
| 21:07.35 | chops | Bushmills: I've actually been wanting something exactly like that (though not wanting it badly enough to look for it)... knowing the name will make it much more likely that I install it. Thanks! |
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| 21:08.06 | Bushmills | chops: looks like this in action: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213736371304592794.png |
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| 21:08.23 | Bushmills | (that's youtube) |
| 21:08.25 | chops | Bushmills: Nifty |
| 21:08.51 | deltas4 | but in synaptics I don't see unrar |
| 21:08.58 | deltas4 | just unrar-free |
| 21:09.22 | stew | jon_high9000: you only needed to download the first cd, the same document you were looking at had instructions for installing from CD |
| 21:09.22 | deltas4 | synaptic |
| 21:10.01 | kzar | I compiled gtk, following these instructions: http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php and got firefox 3 running but it looks really ugly. I think I did sometihng wrong when building GTK but I'm not sure. Any ideas? |
| 21:10.11 | stew | deltas4: yes, its not in debian, you'd have to get it from the non-free archive: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:10.32 | Jack_Sparrow | !download |
| 21:10.33 | dpkg | See http://cdimage.debian.org |
| 21:10.34 | deltas4 | isn't there another free option? |
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| 21:12.05 | Zequi | hello, need assiste for this problem try install courier-imap-ssl and the problem is extra packages exim4 for example, already run qmail vpopmail |
| 21:12.18 | Zequi | any option for evite install exim4? |
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| 21:12.19 | jon_high9000 | stew: I found the first disk |
| 21:12.21 | bjoernb | hello |
| 21:12.23 | Alfarin | I'm on etch, would it be bad for my server if I were to add sid repository to my apt-get so I can get access to php 5.2.6 from there? or would it be better move if I were to compile it from source myself instead? |
| 21:12.42 | deltas4 | stew: in lenny I just need to put non-free next to main? it hasn't contrib |
| 21:12.48 | keith4 | Alfarin: backports |
| 21:13.20 | stew | deltas4: yes |
| 21:13.22 | jon_high9000 | stew: btw, it is etch i am trying to install. |
| 21:13.29 | stew | Alfarin: it would be bad to use sid; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:13.36 | Nyle | who ping me |
| 21:13.46 | stew | Nyle: /help lastlog |
| 21:13.56 | lazarus477 | When can we expect to see Debian on the cover of TIME magazine ? |
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| 21:14.11 | Nyle | stew, in irssi do you know how to make all hilights go to a seperate 'hilight' window? |
| 21:14.25 | Nyle | or does /me have to join #irssi |
| 21:14.29 | Nyle | I guess /me has to |
| 21:14.43 | stew | Nyle: no, but you can run "/lastlog -hilight" |
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| 21:15.07 | stew | Nyle: (and /lastlog -clear to get rid of them again) |
| 21:15.19 | Nyle | stew, yeh but that floods my #debian window with pages of my nick (I have an extremely HUGE buffer, about 2 weeks worth... |
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| 21:15.38 | stew | Nyle: /lastlog -hilight 10 |
| 21:15.43 | Nyle | stew, thanks, I'll figure it out from here |
| 21:15.50 | Nyle | oh cool |
| 21:15.51 | bjoernb | i have problems with virtualbox. i am running debian testing. virtualbox has version 1.6.2 in testing but virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-1-686 has version 1.5.6. see: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-1-686 and http://packages.debian.org/lenny/virtualbox-ose. also has virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-1-686 version 1.5.6 |
| 21:16.00 | bjoernb | see: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 21:16.16 | keith4 | can module assistant build the virtualbox modules? |
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| 21:16.31 | bjoernb | to start a virtual machine i need the modules of virtualbox to be of the same version as virtualbox |
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| 21:17.01 | bjoernb | keith4: i did not try. |
| 21:17.14 | bjoernb | keith4: i do not know how to do it. |
| 21:17.26 | deltas4 | yeah how do I put the virtualbox module to load on startup? |
| 21:17.28 | keith4 | looks like... no |
| 21:17.37 | Nyle | stew, there is a 'hilight' script in irssi-scripts package |
| 21:17.42 | Nyle | tries it out now |
| 21:18.17 | Nyle | can anyone hilight me? |
| 21:18.18 | Nyle | please |
| 21:18.23 | keith4 | Nyle: no |
| 21:18.25 | bjoernb | deltas4: modprobe vboxdrv |
| 21:18.30 | Nyle | yay it works! |
| 21:18.32 | Nyle | thank you |
| 21:18.45 | keith4 | deltas4: put it in /etc/modules? |
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| 21:19.51 | orveldv | Nyle: where's that script? I need it too |
| 21:19.56 | orveldv | :-)] |
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| 21:21.47 | bjoernb | so what to do about the virtualbox modules? |
| 21:22.47 | assasukasse | hi all |
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| 21:23.29 | assasukasse | i switched kernel in my debian install and i got a dkms error, saying multiple version available resolve manually...which i did..now how can i restart dkms process? |
| 21:23.34 | assasukasse | or i can't use ati driver |
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| 21:24.26 | foobar8 | is debian multiarch dead? |
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| 21:26.03 | foobar8 | ups - it seems it is just finished :-) |
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| 21:30.59 | bjoernb | will there be a new modules package for virtualbox soon? |
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| 21:32.29 | linkslice | how can I fix this error: http://pastebin.com/d1e76ffe5 apt wants to remove some pretty important stuff |
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| 21:33.10 | streuner | linkslice: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:34.19 | linkslice | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:34.42 | stew | linkslice: try dist-upgrade instead of upgrade, or use aptitude instead which would provide you with multiple possible resolutions |
| 21:34.43 | streuner | linkslice: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 21:34.53 | stew | err, dist-upgrade instead of install.. |
| 21:34.54 | streuner | stew: are you an echo? |
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| 21:35.32 | stew | what? |
| 21:36.05 | streuner | an echo, if i need your help, i'll tell you |
| 21:36.29 | magyar_ | hi, which package in etch contains "kinit" for kerberos ? |
| 21:36.48 | Tapout | how do you find out which pid is writing to the drive? |
| 21:36.51 | streuner | !+tell magyar_ -about search |
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| 21:36.52 | dpkg | told magyar_ about search. |
| 21:37.04 | Tapout | i've got a lot of drive activity, I'm trying to figure which process is doing it |
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| 21:37.32 | stew | Tapout: you can "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and watch syslog, but note that this can be a performance killer |
| 21:37.50 | Tapout | well shit, activity is done now :( |
| 21:37.52 | Tapout | go figure |
| 21:37.55 | Bushmills | Tapout: lenny? |
| 21:37.56 | Zharf | mmh |
| 21:38.06 | Tapout | nah etch |
| 21:38.07 | bjoernb | bye |
| 21:38.30 | magyar_ | streuner, thanks |
| 21:38.32 | ktwilight | hm, has anyone rebuild Pound before? am having some issues in rebuilding it with a specific flag. am not sure where to include it. heh :/ |
| 21:38.35 | linkslice | streuner, well, I guess now is the time to come clean, I tried installing the ssl-cert from lenny on an etch system, which worked but now it says it's got unmet depencies (wrong version of ssl missing ssl-blacklist etc) so I jsut want to try to downgrade to the etch version |
| 21:38.46 | Zharf | why does the zip in debian have 2GB file size limit? |
| 21:38.47 | linkslice | face is red |
| 21:38.52 | streuner | hm |
| 21:38.56 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 21:38.56 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 21:39.09 | linkslice | lol |
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| 21:40.45 | ktwilight | ah, got it. |
| 21:40.50 | ktwilight | really needs to learn how to read slower |
| 21:41.43 | linkslice | streuner, ok I was able to download the package and dpkg --install <etch version> and all is right with the world again.... |
| 21:41.51 | streuner | well, that factoid is a basic lesson in Debian, you should always follow that advice and don't use pinning. So you are on the safe side. If you need newer packages, just /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:43.29 | twobitwork | what distro does Linus run? or does he just build a linux system from scratch? |
| 21:43.59 | orveldv | mac. |
| 21:44.01 | streuner | just write him a mail and ask him, how should we know? |
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| 21:44.31 | drugbalance | btw Linus still alive ? |
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| 21:44.57 | twobitwork | orveldv: heh |
| 21:45.06 | Baloo | Wow, ipv6 connection. |
| 21:45.07 | Baloo | Nice. |
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| 21:47.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to install Debian's nvidia packages, but when I try to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependency on nvidia-kernel-169.12, which I can't find anywhere |
| 21:47.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 21:47.54 | dw_ | hi there. is it possible to define gre tunnels in /etc/network/interfaces? what is the debianney way to do this? |
| 21:48.24 | deltas4 | stew: you advice me to use module-assistant or to compile a module? |
| 21:48.48 | linkslice | twobitwork, http://www.thenetworkadministrator.com/Linus%20Torvalds.htm |
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| 21:51.39 | streuner | DarkCow: lenny? |
| 21:51.46 | streuner | Dark:A: lenny? |
| 21:51.48 | Baloo | wonders how to label a vfat volume |
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| 21:51.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone? =) |
| 21:51.52 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: lenny? |
| 21:51.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: No, sid |
| 21:52.16 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:52.20 | streuner | and read that first |
| 21:52.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, I know, stuff breaks in sid |
| 21:52.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | But this is simply me not being able to find a package I need |
| 21:53.08 | EiNZTEiN | guys, I can't seem to change my 'postgres' user password :S |
| 21:53.08 | streuner | Who told you that everything is perfect in unstable? |
| 21:53.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: Nobody, and I'm aware that it isn't |
| 21:54.26 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: what you looking for? |
| 21:54.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-kernel-169.12 amd64 |
| 21:55.13 | gonzaloaf_work | how can I pastebin a file directly from a terminal? |
| 21:55.23 | simonrvn | that you can create from the nvidia-kernel-source/src |
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| 21:56.08 | streuner | read the docs (nvidia-glx) about, the maint describes HOW to deal with this kind of problems, IIRC |
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| 21:56.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where do I find the docs? |
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| 21:57.02 | streuner | as always, /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 21:57.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | ah |
| 21:57.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I can't install nvidia-glx |
| 21:57.19 | stew | deltas4: if you are going to compile a module, i'd advise you to use module-assistant to compile it, if that is possible |
| 21:57.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | hence, I can't get the docs in there |
| 21:57.23 | Corrine | and apparently the debian NFS tool does not work with newer versions of the kernel |
| 21:57.39 | streuner | ever extract a deb? |
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| 21:58.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not in CLI |
| 21:58.04 | streuner | just download it, and use dpkg or ar |
| 21:58.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can't you please do it for me? Kinda difficult in CLI |
| 21:58.43 | streuner | read the docs for you? |
| 21:58.48 | Nyle | haha |
| 21:58.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or upload them to pastebin? |
| 21:58.54 | streuner | or just use "ar x foo.deb"? |
| 21:59.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | k... I'll try.. |
| 21:59.07 | reZo | were is the default path that glib installs to, when ./configure; make; make install; 'ing it |
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| 22:00.00 | orveldv | reZo: ./configure --help | grep -i prefix |
| 22:00.46 | deltas4 | but for example virtualbox-ose has a single package just with the sources, stew, will modules-assistent work with that? |
| 22:00.57 | Nyle | FF3 Released while I was driving home! http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?p=downloadday |
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| 22:01.21 | dashs | Recommended USB Camera?? |
| 22:01.30 | stew | deltas4: yes |
| 22:01.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | It doesn't say in the docs how to deal with this issue, at least not in README.txt and README.Debian |
| 22:01.33 | orveldv | Nyle: opera 9.50 released a few days ago! |
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| 22:01.51 | Nyle | ain't nobody care about opera! anyway |
| 22:01.59 | Nyle | dashs, I have a logitech quickcam chat |
| 22:02.00 | streuner | orveldv: hell, is that a kind of crap |
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| 22:02.24 | orveldv | streuner: what exactly? |
| 22:02.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nyle: Labtec WebCam is a cheap, crappy webcam, but guaranteed to work with the gspca drivers |
| 22:02.34 | streuner | opera 9.50 is slow and use a bunch of CPU power |
| 22:02.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | dashs, sorry |
| 22:02.40 | asdx | hi, is there mysql-cluster for debian (NDB) or i have to compile it? |
| 22:02.52 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, logitech quick cam is also well supported and guaranteed to work |
| 22:02.58 | Nyle | at least the more common models |
| 22:03.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
| 22:03.09 | Nyle | I run it with gspca |
| 22:03.20 | orveldv | streuner: uhm ok; it's still a lot faster on my old machine than the sluggish firefox. |
| 22:03.21 | Nyle | I have no problems, partly thanks to Bushmills |
| 22:03.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, any idea how to build an nvidia-kernel package? |
| 22:03.28 | Bushmills | correspond with my observation that ff3 is faster than opera 9.5 on many accounts, while using less memory |
| 22:03.35 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:04.11 | streuner | orveldv: browers are nowdays a nightmare in Linux |
| 22:04.13 | asdx | is there mysql-cluster for debian (NDB) or i have to compile it? |
| 22:04.15 | Nyle | Bushmills, dillo is the fastest gui bruiser! |
| 22:04.29 | Nyle | but its featureless |
| 22:04.49 | orveldv | streuner: true. |
| 22:04.51 | Bushmills | Nyle: links2 competes well in terms of speed |
| 22:05.00 | Nyle | yes it does |
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| 22:05.39 | Nyle | I like links2 very much, however maybe you can help me with a slight links2 problem. It seems that in cli while using gpm and links2, I cannot select any text with the mouse |
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| 22:05.59 | Nyle | why am I unable to select text with mouse in links2 in cli? is there a certain key I must hold or something? |
| 22:06.16 | Nyle | you can press left mouse button and try to hilight text, and the mouse doesn't move |
| 22:06.36 | Nyle | I can copy in elinks fine, no problems there, do you want to verify this for me, this bizzare behaviour? |
| 22:07.30 | Bushmills | Nyle: i suppose that needs gpm? |
| 22:07.40 | Nyle | yes which is already running |
| 22:07.47 | Bushmills | not here |
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| 22:07.56 | Nyle | ? |
| 22:07.59 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | Bushmills | "do you want to verify this for me" |
| 22:08.19 | Nyle | Bushmills, where? |
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| 22:08.25 | Bushmills | -> not without gpm |
| 22:08.32 | Nyle | where are you right now? |
| 22:08.41 | Zequi | how install courier-imap-ssl whitout exim4? |
| 22:08.43 | Nyle | can you switch to a console tty and try? |
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| 22:09.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia on debian is complicated... |
| 22:09.34 | Xires | anyone know where I might find deb packages for abiword 2.6 series? |
| 22:09.52 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: easy, just use "nv" ;-) |
| 22:09.53 | Nyle | Xires, stable/etch has older version of abiword? |
| 22:09.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-installer made it possible for mere mortals to understand, but it won't work any more. |
| 22:09.57 | Xires | Dark_Apostrophe; not really, just make sure you add the repositories |
| 22:10.00 | Nyle | Xires, try backports? |
| 22:10.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: Yeah, that runs my 3D games real nicely, supporting only 2D and all. |
| 22:10.18 | Xires | Nyle; no, haven't tried backports..I'm using Debian/Sid currently |
| 22:10.28 | Nyle | Xires, oh then nm don't use backports |
| 22:10.34 | Xires | 2.4 is all I see on any official repo |
| 22:10.35 | Nyle | !info abiword |
| 22:10.58 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: sure, you have to deal with that then |
| 22:10.59 | dpkg | abiword: (WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-5+b3 (sid), Packaged size: 2169 kB, Installed size: 5208 kB |
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| 22:11.04 | Xires | just read that apparently collaborative editing was added, via a plugin, to abiword 2.6 series..I MUST HAVE IT |
| 22:11.08 | Zequi | how install courier-imap-ssl whitout exim4? |
| 22:11.28 | Nyle | Xires, hmm wishlist it? I dunno (you can always build from source...) |
| 22:11.33 | Xires | Zequi; courier-mta will replace exim |
| 22:11.38 | Nyle | dare to check experimental Xires ? |
| 22:11.48 | Nyle | maybe someone packaged 2.6 |
| 22:12.10 | Bushmills | Nyle: with ctrl key i can select text. without, the mouse pointer doesn't move on screen, but links are highlighted when moving the mouse to them (and then the mouse pointer jumps to link too) |
| 22:12.14 | Xires | Nyle; just wanted to know if anyone knew of something..I can build from source but if I don't have to, it'd be helpful |
| 22:12.25 | Nyle | Bushmills, its ctrl ? |
| 22:12.36 | Nyle | I remember trying that before... |
| 22:12.46 | Xires | Bushmills; that's wonderfully weird..how do you duplicate that? |
| 22:13.05 | Nyle | Bushmills, I'm testing |
| 22:13.08 | Bushmills | Xires: duplicate? |
| 22:13.14 | Zequi | Xires: already MTA qmail and vpopmail only need install courier-imap-ssl whitout exim4 |
| 22:13.20 | Xires | Bushmills; duplicate the symptoms |
| 22:13.20 | Bushmills | just move mouse pointer ... |
| 22:13.22 | EiNZTEiN | guys, I can't seem to change my 'postgres' user password :( |
| 22:13.24 | EiNZTEiN | any ideas? |
| 22:14.02 | Zequi | apt-get install exim4.... |
| 22:14.03 | Bushmills | keep left button pressed. pick a page with a lot of links. i used http://forthfreak.net |
| 22:14.05 | Xires | Zequi; I wasn't aware that courier-imap-ssl had a dependency on exim4, sorry for misunderstanding |
| 22:14.07 | dashs | Nyle, Dar_Apostrophe: thanks. |
| 22:14.09 | Nyle | Bushmills++ |
| 22:14.12 | deltas4 | stew: how do I remove or disable the non-ttf fonts? |
| 22:14.15 | Nyle | !bushmills++ |
| 22:14.23 | Nyle | Bushmills, is the fucking man! thank you. |
| 22:14.26 | Zequi | Xires any idea for this problem? |
| 22:14.29 | deltas4 | those that are ugly |
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| 22:14.43 | streuner | Nyle: no, "Mainzer" ;-) |
| 22:14.54 | Nyle | what? |
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| 22:14.57 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 22:15.15 | streuner | Nyle: well, a inside joke, nm |
| 22:15.18 | Nyle | Bushmills, seriously, thanks for checking for me man |
| 22:15.21 | Nyle | streuner, word |
| 22:15.45 | Xires | Zequi; purge all exim-related packages from the system by force if necessary and install courier-imap-ssl piece-meal |
| 22:15.45 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.45 | Bushmills | np |
| 22:15.45 | themill | !dbugs 473508 |
| 22:15.45 | Nyle | I remember trying alt, and shift, and ctrl and we.. I guess I did'nt try ctrl |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | #473508:W[abiword-gnome] Please packages abiword 2.6.3; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:15:02 UTC |
| 22:16.01 | Nyle | already wished |
| 22:16.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, so I installed the kernel module with module-assistant |
| 22:16.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-glx still refuses to install... |
| 22:16.20 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, if you are on testing, nvidia is currently broken |
| 22:16.23 | Nyle | as of last week anyway |
| 22:16.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, sid |
| 22:16.29 | Nyle | maybe its good now |
| 22:16.34 | Xires | Zequi; courier-imap-ssl requires courier-base, courier-ssl, courier-authdaemon, openssl and maybe 1 or 2 other things, I think..exim4 should be removed and blocked if possible |
| 22:16.46 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, pastebin the error messages? |
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| 22:17.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a simple dependency problem |
| 22:17.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | I need nvidia-kernel-169.12 to install nvidia-glx |
| 22:17.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-kernel-169.12 doesn't exist |
| 22:17.31 | Nyle | and what do you have built? |
| 22:17.33 | Nyle | which package did you build? |
| 22:17.41 | Zequi | Xires : The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 22:17.42 | Zequi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.42 | Zequi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:17.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | with m-a |
| 22:17.58 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, have you checked the bts? |
| 22:18.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 22:18.22 | Xires | Zequi; something else is interfering and I doubt it's courier |
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| 22:18.32 | Nyle | if you built using the debian way and all debian packages, and this happens that nvidia-glx can't be installed, you need to file a bug |
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| 22:18.45 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, also install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 22:18.46 | Zequi | how remove exim from cache? |
| 22:18.56 | kantor | hi, can somebody tell me the command to deny ICMP echo reply's with iptables on my machine (from any source address even localhost ) ? |
| 22:19.03 | Xires | Zequi; check virtual packages and make sure the system is not trying to automatically install exim4 to resolve strange deps that it doesn't need to touch |
| 22:19.26 | Xires | dpkg will step aside if you want it to..you just have to take full control at times and smack it around a bit |
| 22:19.27 | dpkg | Xires: You are moron #1 |
| 22:19.37 | Xires | dpkg; ty |
| 22:19.38 | dpkg | well, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
| 22:19.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nyle: This is the first time I'm doing it the insanely frustrating Debian Way⢠in a long time, because nvidia installer doesn't work any more |
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| 22:19.52 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe, I've always done it the debian way and never had a problem |
| 22:20.00 | \amethyst | kantor: outgoing echo replies, presumably? |
| 22:20.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I'm gonna hit the sack now and try to calm down before I break something, so good night |
| 22:20.11 | Nyle | and also, issues as trivial as this, on sid, you should be able to fix yourself |
| 22:20.21 | Nyle | otherwise move to stable or at the most testing |
| 22:20.38 | Bushmills | hehe. in a week or two he's back to lenny :) |
| 22:20.41 | kantor | \amethyst, incoming, I mean if somebody pings me |
| 22:20.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-installer has never had a problem before. |
| 22:20.54 | Nyle | kantor, I'm around now |
| 22:20.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Bushmills: Back? I've used Sid since before Etch was released |
| 22:20.55 | Nyle | kantor, hi |
| 22:21.21 | Bushmills | Dark_Apostrophe: back as in "a branch back" |
| 22:21.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know |
| 22:21.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | but I'd sooner install Gentoo than downgrade to older code. |
| 22:21.53 | \amethyst | kantor: iptables -I OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-reply -j DROP |
| 22:22.03 | kantor | Nyle, hi, I solved the problem with grub |
| 22:22.06 | kantor | \thanks |
| 22:22.12 | kantor | \amethyst, thanks |
| 22:22.17 | \amethyst | kantor: that will, as you requested, even block pongs from localhost |
| 22:22.37 | Nyle | kantor, what was it? |
| 22:22.47 | Nyle | kantor, and how did you fix it? |
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| 22:23.40 | wols_ | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about nvidia_post_etch |
| 22:23.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I saw it already |
| 22:23.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | didn't help me one bit |
| 22:24.07 | wols_ | if you lakc the kernel module you fucked up the m-a part |
| 22:24.12 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 22:24.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 22:24.12 | dpkg | ii |grep nvidia 2.5-13.1 wols_'s private stamp collection |
| 22:24.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | I lack the package to satisfy nvidia-glx's dependencies |
| 22:24.25 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: what does this dpkg command say? |
| 22:24.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvidia-kernel-169.02 |
| 22:24.34 | wols_ | no you don't. you already have the nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:24.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | yes, well, I installed the kernel module via m-a |
| 22:24.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | didn't help |
| 22:24.49 | Nyle | maybe... you can deb-src nvidia-glx and modify debian/rules...? take out the depenencies and build it? |
| 22:25.00 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: if you had installed it glx wouldn't complain. tell me the dpkg output? |
| 22:25.01 | Nyle | so that it doesn't depend on shit |
| 22:25.08 | Bushmills | Dark_Apostrophe: you canb use the nv driver as long as nvidia is broken ... |
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| 22:25.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't now, I gotta hit the sack |
| 22:25.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | going to work in 5 hours |
| 22:25.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll be seriously sleep deprived if I don't hit the sack now |
| 22:25.28 | wols_ | Nyle: running glx without the kernel driver is a really splendid idea |
| 22:25.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Bye |
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| 22:25.47 | Benzi | hey guys |
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| 22:26.21 | Benzi | just wondering, around when does the debian team intend to move the kde 4 packages into unstable? |
| 22:26.22 | kantor | Nyle, it is because newer distro versions use a different ext3 file system version, type. I formatted the partition where I wnted to install Lenny with etch mkfs.ext3 program and not with the Lenny installer program, and the problem was solved |
| 22:26.27 | Nyle | wols_, he has the kernel module built and installed, he says nvidia-glx won't install due to a versioning issue. the nvidia-kernel generated by module-assistant is the one being rejected by nvidia-glx(dependency wise) and nvidia-glx won't isntall |
| 22:26.31 | Nyle | or soemthing... |
| 22:26.42 | rgr | If I want to try Firefox 3 where would you recommend I install it to? Under my home dir or in /usr/local? |
| 22:26.45 | Nyle | kantor, ahh I see |
| 22:26.56 | wols_ | Nyle: cause 169.12 of glx is different version than 169.12 of kernel-driver. |
| 22:26.57 | azeem | rgr: which version of debiian? |
| 22:27.01 | rgr | lenny |
| 22:27.09 | azeem | rgr: do a simple sid backport then |
| 22:27.20 | azeem | or just get the sid package |
| 22:27.26 | rgr | I have iceweasel at the moment. What steps do I take? |
| 22:27.37 | azeem | eh, iceweasel is firefoc |
| 22:27.39 | azeem | x* |
| 22:27.54 | craigevil | mozilla's firefox doesnt need to be installed, just extract it and run it |
| 22:27.58 | Nyle | iceweasel in sid is ff3 rc2-1 |
| 22:28.13 | rgr | I have unstable in my sources.apt, I just force the version in synaptic? |
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| 22:28.31 | Nyle | no |
| 22:28.47 | Nyle | are you on testing? just apt-get -t unstable iceweasel |
| 22:29.02 | Nyle | are you on testing? just apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel |
| 22:29.02 | rgr | thanks Nyle |
| 22:29.09 | Nyle | +install+ |
| 22:29.51 | Nyle | !info iceweasel |
| 22:29.54 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 22:30.03 | Nyle | yup |
| 22:30.14 | orveldv | omg. lightweight. |
| 22:30.21 | Nyle | hopefully within a few days iceweasel will be updated |
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| 22:30.31 | azeem | Nyle: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=197 |
| 22:30.31 | blameless | heh, that probably dates from when phoenix came out |
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| 22:31.10 | Nyle | azeem, whose blog? |
| 22:31.20 | azeem | glandium's? |
| 22:31.20 | wols_ | azeem: that is if you even CAN download it |
| 22:31.24 | Nyle | heh |
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| 22:31.43 | deltas4 | is away: "" |
| 22:31.48 | Nyle | The fact is, the 3.0 release is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we have in unstable, already. |
| 22:31.51 | Nyle | ahh |
| 22:32.02 | Nyle | so yeh, sid iceweasel is fine for now |
| 22:32.26 | azeem | Nyle: he maintains xulrunner |
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| 22:32.43 | RichiH | deltas4: please don't use public awawy |
| 22:32.50 | Nyle | ahh |
| 22:32.55 | Nyle | hey its RichiH |
| 22:33.00 | Nyle | whats up man :) |
| 22:33.06 | azeem | !richih |
| 22:33.06 | dpkg | it has been said that richih is drop dead and let my nick be, sussudio, or bored and wants to take a bath |
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| 22:33.08 | RichiH | zy sky |
| 22:33.15 | RichiH | ze* |
| 22:33.28 | Nyle | that it is, that it is |
| 22:33.44 | streuner | RichiH: still alive? |
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| 22:33.51 | RichiH | apparently |
| 22:34.27 | streuner | so study is history? |
| 22:34.31 | deltas4 | is away: "" |
| 22:34.37 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:34.40 | Nyle | deltas4, seriously... |
| 22:34.41 | RichiH | deltas4: please don't use public away.. |
| 22:35.08 | Nyle | is away |
| 22:35.11 | Nyle | or am I!? |
| 22:35.22 | Nyle | nah, I'm still here |
| 22:35.29 | kingsley | Can someone here please check if version 3.0~rc2-1 of iceweasel crashes with a segmentation fault when opening wav sounds? |
| 22:35.31 | RichiH | i will drop into bed, now |
| 22:35.41 | streuner | night RichiH |
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| 22:35.49 | RichiH | cya |
| 22:35.52 | Nyle | RichiH, dream of tig ol' bitties... |
| 22:35.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:36.09 | RichiH | no need to dream of them |
| 22:36.21 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:36.23 | Nyle | why not? |
| 22:36.30 | Nyle | never enough bitties |
| 22:36.33 | Nyle | ever. |
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| 22:38.23 | streuner | Nyle: mpg321 http://88.191.12.106:9000 |
| 22:38.34 | mohr | where can I grab a copy of Debian Sarge 64bit? |
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| 22:38.37 | Nyle | amarok! |
| 22:38.49 | Nyle | streuner, hang on |
| 22:38.53 | Nyle | Apoptygma Berzerk - The Singles Collection - Disc - Bitch |
| 22:39.00 | Nyle | as soon as this is done! sorry to spam |
| 22:39.10 | Nyle | streuner, you wanna hang in #music too? |
| 22:39.32 | mohr | is it possible to grab a copy of Debian Sarge from somewhere? |
| 22:39.38 | Nyle | mohr, sarge no 64 |
| 22:39.45 | Nyle | etch was the first officially supproted amd64 port |
| 22:39.58 | azeem | well, for amd64 |
| 22:40.05 | Nyle | er.. let me rephrase |
| 22:40.13 | mohr | I heard that there was an unofficial build |
| 22:40.14 | azeem | mohr: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:40.19 | Nyle | we.. nm |
| 22:40.21 | Nyle | you get the pic. |
| 22:40.37 | mohr | azeem: support legacy systems |
| 22:40.41 | Bushmills | kingsley: doesn't (rv 1.9) |
| 22:40.46 | azeem | mohr: eh? |
| 22:40.49 | mohr | aye |
| 22:41.06 | Nyle | streuner, /me listens |
| 22:41.06 | azeem | mohr: support legacy systems with an unsupported operating system? |
| 22:41.06 | mohr | look, I need a copy. is there a place I can fetch it or isn't there? |
| 22:41.54 | mohr | azeem: I know you're well-meaning, so sorry if I come across as short.. this comes from higher up than me |
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| 22:41.57 | azeem | mohr: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sarge main, maybe |
| 22:42.37 | azeem | mohr: I don't think the amd64 port for sarge was maintained much since the etch release, though |
| 22:42.48 | azeem | it's certainly a security nightmare, I'd say |
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| 22:43.01 | azeem | hrm, or wait |
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| 22:43.13 | azeem | I think sec-team actually supported it until the EOL |
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| 22:46.21 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 22:46.21 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 22:48.12 | robocop | !ati |
| 22:48.13 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>. |
| 22:48.25 | robocop | !fglrx |
| 22:48.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>. |
| 22:48.46 | azeem | robocop: please /msg the bot |
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| 22:48.54 | robocop | !fglrx-one-liner |
| 22:49.30 | robocop | azeem.isnt that wahat the ! is for? |
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| 22:50.03 | robocop | or is it hello bot can you tell me about this one liner thingy? |
| 22:50.10 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 22:50.10 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 22:50.25 | Nyle | robocop, read the wiki page. |
| 22:50.41 | helo | anyone know of a widely available pci nic that can be bought that works in etch out of the box? |
| 22:50.59 | Nyle | helo, any cheap 10-15$ realtek pci nic |
| 22:51.00 | helo | from brick-n-mortar |
| 22:51.31 | Nyle | go to a pc repair shop they should have shitloads laying around, pay $5 for one, realtek works fine ime |
| 22:51.37 | robocop | so the bot is telling porkies then? |
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| 22:51.43 | azeem | robocop: what? |
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| 22:52.00 | azeem | robocop: you're just not supposed to spam the chan with your support triggers, do it in a /qurey |
| 22:52.03 | azeem | query* |
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| 22:52.46 | helo | i shipped a 3com 905 out, and i'm having all kinds of weird behavior |
| 22:52.47 | Nyle | robocop, we publically use ! to let someone know of a factoid sure, that way others see it and they gain some knowledge too. If you need to use the bot for yoruself, to ask for factoids, we prefer that you do it privately as it is considered flooding the channel |
| 22:52.53 | robocop | azeem.well it just told me to ask about a one liner.i did.and get reprimanded.im just trying to work out how to install ati fglrx drivers.getting notes etc.thats all |
| 22:53.04 | azeem | robocop: and I told you |
| 22:53.06 | helo | i can see the dhcp server receiving dhcp replies, and sending responses, but the client never receives them |
| 22:53.09 | azeem | robocop: /msg dpkg |
| 22:53.16 | Nyle | robocop, you were not reprimanded you were simply told the best course of action |
| 22:53.19 | azeem | robocop: if you don't know about /msg, please ask about that |
| 22:53.37 | robocop | insufficent parameters.~lol~ |
| 22:53.37 | Nyle | robocop, if you stop being defensive and read the wiki page as stated, you would discover valuable information |
| 22:53.39 | helo | i've been debugging what i thought was a dhcp configuration problem, but that i think is a nic driver problem |
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| 22:54.18 | azeem | robocop: yes you need to add the trigger you're interested in as well |
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| 22:54.28 | azeem | like "/msg dpkg fglrx one-liner" |
| 22:54.30 | dondelelcaro | helo: what's the problem? |
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| 22:54.35 | themill | robocop: pay attention to what dpkg says... in particular pay attention to punctuation. It said "ask me about <fglrx one-liner>" not "<fglrx-one-liner>". |
| 22:54.37 | robocop | >>is not being defensive.just trying to find out stuff |
| 22:54.54 | Nyle | robocop, its all good |
| 22:54.59 | robocop | oh sorry.to many -'s |
| 22:55.58 | alperbaba | hello i downloaded firefox 3.0 final version but i have no idea how to start it? when i tried .sh file in the archive it tells me that firefox requires GTK 2.10 or higher but i have GTK 2.8 what can do for it? |
| 22:55.59 | helo | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to pxe boot, and i thought my dhcp server wasn't giving out hte filename parameter |
| 22:56.14 | helo | dondelelcaro: i'm troubleshooting from a distance, and the pxe booting net is the one using the 3com card |
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| 22:56.35 | helo | i locked myself out and switched the two networks so the onboard was serving pxe, and it worked |
| 22:56.37 | azeem | alperbaba: ask the firefox people |
| 22:57.00 | helo | i'm back in now, and now i need to send the local linux ignorant tech out to buy a replacement for the 3com card |
| 22:57.04 | Wyzard | alperbaba: etch doesn't have GTK 2.10 |
| 22:57.06 | Nyle | alperbaba, which debian distro are you using? |
| 22:57.10 | ribasushi | anyone having massive problems with icedove locking up in a 80% system CPU loop while checking mail? |
| 22:57.11 | alperbaba | etch |
| 22:57.21 | deltas4 | is it possible to use openbox over Xgl? |
| 22:57.25 | Wyzard | alperbaba: so FF3 won't work in etch, I guess |
| 22:57.27 | ribasushi | it will sit like this for a minute or more and then return to normal operation |
| 22:57.27 | Nyle | deltas4, yes |
| 22:57.35 | Nyle | deltas4, but why would you want to? |
| 22:57.36 | SPF | alperbaba: ./firefox3 & but it wont work |
| 22:57.44 | SPF | wait for a backport |
| 22:57.53 | helo | the 3com card says 3c905c, but the module being loaded is 3c59x... is that right? |
| 22:58.07 | deltas4 | just for curiosity.. and does Xgl have advantages over xorg? |
| 22:58.08 | Wyzard | helo: Yes, that's correct |
| 22:58.13 | Nyle | deltas4, no |
| 22:58.21 | Nyle | deltas4, xgl is a dirty fugly hack |
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| 22:58.26 | Nyle | deltas4, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:58.39 | alperbaba | ok. thanks i ll ask in firefox people |
| 22:58.40 | Wyzard | deltas4: XGL is basically obsoleted by AIGLX |
| 22:58.40 | deltas4 | ah right |
| 22:58.57 | deltas4 | what's aiglx?? |
| 22:58.58 | Wyzard | deltas4: It was useful for awhile before the ATI and nVidia drivers supported AIGLX, but now they both do |
| 22:59.08 | Nyle | accelerated indirect gl |
| 22:59.34 | Wyzard | deltas4: It's a feature that's built into xorg (no separate program like xgl needed) which can be used for GPU compositing |
| 22:59.35 | helo | for some reason, when i'm using this 3com card, the nic is in some kind of partly functioning state |
| 22:59.42 | deltas4 | ah |
| 22:59.58 | deltas4 | do I need the proprietary nvidia drivers to use that? |
| 23:00.00 | helo | the link light is on, and i can see dhcpdiscover requests coming in, and see replies going out, but clients don't receive the result |
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| 23:00.22 | Wyzard | helo: 3c905s work fine in general in Linux; I've used them for years so I can attest that the driver isn't broken |
| 23:00.32 | Wyzard | helo: It's possible that your card might be broken, of course |
| 23:00.41 | helo | it is an old card |
| 23:00.45 | helo | probably... |
| 23:00.47 | Nyle | helo, do you have a spare nic? |
| 23:00.59 | Wyzard | helo: I use Intel e1000 gigabit cards these days |
| 23:01.08 | Nyle | or a pc repair store close by, buy a cheap $5 used one just to test if you think thats it |
| 23:01.09 | helo | this site is in a small town, guy is trying to find a store that is open |
| 23:01.32 | Wyzard | helo: and it's good to have a few spare RTL8139's handy :-) |
| 23:01.33 | helo | i spent literally 6 hours today trying to debug dhcp errors |
| 23:01.42 | Nyle | Wyzard, thats what I was gonna say |
| 23:01.43 | helo | well, what i thought were dhcp errors... |
| 23:01.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:01.52 | StAfZe6 | good |
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| 23:02.05 | helo | i assumed the network was functioning well because i could see the incoming DHCPDISCOVER requests |
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| 23:02.33 | Wyzard | helo: One problem I do know of with the 3c905c (vs. the 3c905a and 3c905b) is that speed/duplex autonegotiation doesn't work right, so you get 10mbps half-duplex |
| 23:02.42 | Wyzard | helo: That was a few years ago though; it's probably been fixed by then |
| 23:02.48 | robocop | so is what botty fella says.all done as root? |
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| 23:03.08 | Wyzard | helo: (quirk of the 'c' variant of the card that the driver wasn't taking into account) |
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| 23:03.17 | phogg | are up to date e17 packages kicking around somewhere or should I build it myself? |
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| 23:04.06 | JinLing | !offtopic |
| 23:04.07 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 23:04.09 | helo | what brands are e1000s and realteks sold under? |
| 23:04.30 | Wyzard | helo: e1000s are only branded as Intel afaik |
| 23:04.43 | helo | what realtek chipset |
| 23:05.04 | Wyzard | helo: Realtek 8139 and 100mbps and 8169 is 1000mbps... both are fairly inexpensive |
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| 23:05.35 | Wyzard | helo: They're sold under other brands, but if you can look at a picture of the card, you can always recognize the Realtek crab logo on the chip |
| 23:06.37 | Wyzard | helo: Stick with the 3Com or Intel cards if you need high performance though |
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| 23:07.30 | helo | gracias... |
| 23:07.44 | helo | performance is for real companies heh |
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| 23:08.00 | Wyzard | Well, even an e1000 isn't that expensive |
| 23:08.05 | ribasushi | so, locking up icedove anyone? |
| 23:08.28 | phogg | dpkg knows all. I should have guessed |
| 23:08.28 | dpkg | phogg: are you using Windows? |
| 23:09.26 | Wyzard | helo: FYI, an e1000 card is $25 USD on newegg |
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| 23:14.28 | zophy | is there a font package i can install that will give firefox more fonts to use, cuz firefox looks real crappy |
| 23:14.38 | asdx | does anyone knows if the mysql-server that debian ships has NDB? |
| 23:14.41 | asdx | or i have to compile my own server? |
| 23:15.00 | helo | anyone know how to disable auto reconnect with epic4? |
| 23:16.21 | helo | thanks all, with the nic issues... |
| 23:16.27 | helo | saved my arse heh |
| 23:17.42 | Nyle | zophy, yes |
| 23:17.54 | Nyle | zophy, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 23:18.11 | Nyle | zophy, enable bitmap fonts and you'll have a few more fonts to chose from |
| 23:18.29 | phogg | zophy: try ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 23:18.35 | Nyle | zophy, or you can always aptitude search xfonts |less |
| 23:18.44 | deltas4 | dejavu substitutes bitstream |
| 23:18.54 | Nyle | I like ttf-dejavu |
| 23:18.59 | deltas4 | yeah |
| 23:19.04 | Nyle | particularly DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf |
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| 23:19.11 | Nyle | all the rest of them can go to hell :) |
| 23:19.26 | deltas4 | Nyle: do you know how do I remove the 75 and 100dpi fonts? |
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| 23:19.41 | deltas4 | so firefox for example do not show them |
| 23:20.08 | Nyle | deltas4, ... other than disabling bitmap fonts in fontconfig I don't know how |
| 23:20.25 | Nyle | I'm not upto speed on fonts or anything, I just basic things |
| 23:20.31 | Nyle | know* |
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| 23:20.38 | Nyle | !font |
| 23:20.39 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
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| 23:20.47 | Nyle | eh |
| 23:20.49 | deltas4 | haha |
| 23:20.53 | phogg | ahaha, agreed |
| 23:20.55 | Nyle | !fonts |
| 23:20.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
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| 23:23.01 | Brigo | msg dpkg firefox |
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| 23:24.13 | phogg | I'm installing e17 from a third party repo and don't want the enlightenment (e16) binary overwritten. What do I do? |
| 23:25.03 | streuner | use some other WM? |
| 23:25.18 | phogg | streuner: addicted to E, want to try the new thing |
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| 23:25.19 | streuner | well, there are 1000 WM's ... |
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| 23:26.01 | xopey | looking for some troubleshooting support for partimage |
| 23:26.16 | phogg | is there a way I can have it install that one file under a different name? Or should I just break it manually and unbreak it when I'm done? |
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| 23:27.06 | phogg | does not want to rebuild the .deb for this |
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| 23:27.40 | Nyle | man |
| 23:27.41 | Nyle | fuck |
| 23:27.48 | Nyle | so many people asking about firefox 3 |
| 23:28.00 | Nyle | here, refer them to this please |
| 23:28.02 | Nyle | !ff3 |
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| 23:28.03 | dpkg | hmm... ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we have in unstable, already, as iceweasel. Debian/testing (lenny) users can simply apt-get -t unstable iceweasel |
| 23:28.12 | streuner | sure, almost everyone wants newer software |
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| 23:28.21 | Sling | new and improved |
| 23:28.22 | Nyle | streuner, yes but blah. |
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| 23:28.30 | Nyle | its in sid already no big deal |
| 23:28.32 | themill | phogg: /msg dpkg divert |
| 23:28.40 | streuner | Nyle: but not all of them know why ;-) |
| 23:28.45 | Nyle | now they will |
| 23:28.49 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:28.52 | Brigo | Nyle: iceweasel version: 2.0.0.14-2 |
| 23:29.02 | Nyle | time to update/upgrade |
| 23:29.03 | Brigo | Nyle: in sid, of course. |
| 23:29.10 | Nyle | !info iceweasel sid |
| 23:29.13 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 23:29.20 | phogg | themill: thanks |
| 23:29.25 | Brigo | ?¿¿? |
| 23:29.29 | azeem | Brigo: are you on powerpc? |
| 23:29.29 | deltas4 | how do I force synaptic to remove a package without removing anothers? |
| 23:29.31 | Brigo | wtf? |
| 23:29.35 | Sling | !info firefox etch |
| 23:29.35 | streuner | Sling: yeah :-) |
| 23:29.37 | Brigo | no , i386 |
| 23:29.46 | azeem | Brigo: get a better mirror |
| 23:29.57 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.12-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 23:30.03 | Brigo | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 23:30.09 | azeem | [2008-06-09] Accepted 3.0~rc2-1 in unstable |
| 23:30.12 | phogg | deltas4: don't remove a package that something else depends on |
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| 23:30.59 | deltas4 | but on slackware I used to remove x-apps and x11-100dpi and x worked perfectly |
| 23:31.01 | deltas4 | I don't need them |
| 23:31.35 | streuner | old habits die hard ⢠|
| 23:31.47 | Nyle | streuner, with a vengeance? |
| 23:31.47 | deltas4 | aye |
| 23:31.48 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 23:33.13 | assem | can anyone suggest a speech recognition API (for C and not sphinx) ? |
| 23:33.20 | deltas4 | but xorg don't really need that files |
| 23:33.22 | streuner | deltas4: that's a decision of the maint, you cannot do much against that |
| 23:33.58 | Brigo | i think it is a bug |
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| 23:34.20 | streuner | XSF did think about that, believe me |
| 23:35.18 | themill | deltas4: you can remove the xfonts-75dpi and -100dpi packages if you want. |
| 23:35.36 | Nyle | themill, they are not needed by xorg? |
| 23:35.41 | themill | no |
| 23:36.09 | deltas4 | themill: how? |
| 23:36.19 | themill | Nyle: well, by the xorg metapackage, but you don't need the metapackage. |
| 23:36.29 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: aptitude remove xfonts-75dpi; or similar. Remove the metapackage too. |
| 23:36.30 | Nyle | themill, thats what I always use |
| 23:36.43 | Nyle | themill, I used to use x-window-system-core |
| 23:36.55 | streuner | there is no need to remove fonts in the meta-package |
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| 23:37.13 | streuner | if you don't need them, just disable them in config file |
| 23:38.01 | deltas4 | hwo do I remove the metapackage? |
| 23:38.03 | dondelelcaro | the only point of removing the fonts is if you're short of space, which I'm assuming is the case. |
| 23:38.05 | streuner | don't know what kind of ideas people need sometimes |
| 23:38.08 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: aptitude remove xorg; |
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| 23:38.25 | deltas4 | ah there is no problem to remove xorg? |
| 23:38.32 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: it's just a metapackage |
| 23:38.37 | deltas4 | ohh right |
| 23:38.55 | streuner | (which save him plenty of space) |
| 23:39.00 | streuner | ;-) |
| 23:39.06 | Nyle | in this day and age |
| 23:39.18 | Nyle | worrying about a few mb c'mon man :) |
| 23:39.30 | streuner | nowadays? |
| 23:39.38 | zophy | aha i answered my own question --> http://BrightVps.com/paste/600176 |
| 23:39.53 | deltas4 | and what are the xfonts-encodings for? |
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| 23:40.09 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: apt-cache show xfonts-encodings |
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| 23:40.12 | deltas4 | do I need them if usin utf8? |
| 23:40.17 | GreguiM | ouvindo Starlights - Soldering Version ! [quality:128kbits 44KHz time:03:02] |
| 23:40.23 | dondelelcaro | GreguiM: turn that off, please |
| 23:40.33 | dondelelcaro | deltas4: if you don't know, and/or don't understand, you shouldn't remove them. |
| 23:40.39 | phogg | I am in love with dpkg-divert. So awesome. |
| 23:40.51 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like they're hurting you unless you've got no disk space) |
| 23:40.51 | streuner | hihi |
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| 23:41.16 | streuner | deltas4: so tell us, its a disk space problem? |
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| 23:41.29 | GreguiM | dondelelcaro ok |
| 23:41.32 | Nyle | no |
| 23:41.40 | Nyle | he said he doesn't want to see so many fonts in firefox |
| 23:41.52 | Nyle | so he is trying to remove stuff |
| 23:41.57 | phogg | ... |
| 23:42.01 | streuner | hm, and we told him to just disable them |
| 23:42.10 | phogg | mv fixes that, too |
| 23:42.17 | Nyle | mv? |
| 23:42.19 | streuner | or that |
| 23:42.22 | Nyle | why? |
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| 23:42.35 | phogg | Nyle: if the fonts cannot be seen they don't exist |
| 23:42.47 | Nyle | sure, w/e |
| 23:42.49 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:43.06 | Nyle | my back hurts. |
| 23:43.20 | GreguiM | ouvindo Starlights - Dip Them Version ! [quality:128kbits 44KHz time:03:22] |
| 23:43.26 | streuner | haha |
| 23:43.29 | Nyle | seriously... |
| 23:43.39 | Nyle | GreguiM, please stop spamming mp3 in here |
| 23:43.52 | Nyle | GreguiM, we don't need to konw about what you are listening to, you can join #music for free mp3 spammage |
| 23:43.54 | phogg | that's what ignore is for |
| 23:43.59 | GreguiM | ok |
| 23:44.02 | GreguiM | sory |
| 23:44.59 | Nyle | you can spam whatever mp3 you want in #music, etc. etc. |
| 23:45.11 | Nyle | 07:44 mp3 /exec - -o echo "`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player title`" |
| 23:45.16 | Nyle | this is my spam /mp3 alias :D |
| 23:46.20 | deltas4 | when I came back tell me if I am sending away notifications pls |
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| 23:46.22 | deltas4 | is away: "" |
| 23:46.39 | Nyle | deltas4, try testing this in ##defocus |
| 23:46.42 | Nyle | or somewhere |
| 23:46.45 | streuner | Is it friday or sunday? |
| 23:46.51 | themill | !permasunday |
| 23:46.51 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:46.53 | Nyle | fuckin toozday |
| 23:46.53 | phogg | streuner: tuesday |
| 23:46.57 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:47.02 | Nyle | toolzday |
| 23:47.03 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:47.03 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:47.32 | phogg | Related link: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/it_only_tuesday |
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| 23:49.46 | robocop1 | what is the command to do an update please?.is it apt-get update.or do I use apptitude? |
| 23:50.15 | streuner | if you have to ask, just use aptitude |
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| 23:50.20 | Nyle | robocop1, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 23:50.28 | Nyle | !why aptitude |
| 23:50.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 23:57.43 | deltas4 | did I sent an away notification? |
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| 23:58.03 | deltas4 | yeah now I don't have that ugly fonts on firefox |
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