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| 00:01.11 | themill | deltas4: yes |
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| 00:03.17 | Juventino | guys, any idea why i may not get sound on ubuntu?? |
| 00:03.26 | azeem | !ubuntu |
| 00:03.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:03.32 | Juventino | i already got alsa installed.. |
| 00:03.40 | Juventino | azeem, i know that thnx |
| 00:03.47 | azeem | Juventino: so please comply |
| 00:03.58 | themill | Juventino: please ask in #ubuntu then if you already know that. |
| 00:04.01 | gyaresu | debian and ubuntu are different enough that you might be better off asking in #ubuntu |
| 00:04.19 | gyaresu | many of us are running both |
| 00:04.22 | Juventino | themill, if someone was of any use i won't be asking here |
| 00:04.34 | Juventino | i mean if someone was of use there.. |
| 00:04.35 | deltas4 | shite I don't know how to disable these messages |
| 00:04.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Juventino about they don't know |
| 00:04.53 | noisesmith | the latest ubuntu did some crap with pulseaudio that totally messed up sound. Not being an ubuntu expert, I cannot help you with that, try the ubuntu forums |
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| 00:05.12 | Juventino | :/ |
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| 00:05.41 | themill | Juventino: we're always happy to help. Step (1) is install debian. |
| 00:06.05 | gyaresu | themill: (at least then you'll know where all the config files are...) |
| 00:06.23 | Juventino | themill, i already have debian lol |
| 00:06.59 | gyaresu | Juventino: #alsa |
| 00:07.15 | azeem | Juventino: then it'd be clever to not ask too many off-topic questions here, or people might start to ignore you otherwise |
| 00:08.39 | Juventino | azeem, it was a simple question as about how to check if alsa is using the correct card, that;s it |
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| 00:09.36 | poseidon | kdesu isn't recognizing my program for some reason. It recognized it in past compiles (I even used a binary from a compile in which it worked with before). When I use kdesu ./prg it says command not found. |
| 00:09.39 | gyaresu | Juventino: asoundconf |
| 00:09.41 | poseidon | It's the correct name as well. |
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| 00:10.48 | Juventino | thnx gyaresu |
| 00:10.58 | noisesmith | poseidon: is the program a shell script? it could be a "command not found" from a command the shell script attempts to invoke |
| 00:12.10 | gyaresu | Juventino: or ubuntu asoundconf-gtk nub friendly ;) |
| 00:12.15 | poseidon | noisesmith, it says command "./prg" not found. It needs to run with kdesu access to work. I'm compiling it via codeblocks (which works with kdesu). It runs find if I run it from codeblocks. |
| 00:12.22 | poseidon | *fine |
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| 00:12.52 | azeem | poseidon: which directory is it in? |
| 00:13.02 | Juventino | gyaresu, well it shows 2 sound drivers.. HDA Intel, and legacy.. which should i go for? |
| 00:13.13 | azeem | Juventino, gyaresu: please take this elsewhere |
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| 00:13.49 | poseidon | azeem, it's under /home/<user>/prg and I'm running kdesu in the same directory as the program. |
| 00:14.15 | poseidon | If I run kdesu kate, kate works fine. |
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| 00:17.53 | noisesmith | poseidon: perhaps kdesu is not inheriting your working directory: try kdesu /home/<user>/prg |
| 00:17.54 | poseidon | I've tried other of my programs and they seem to work with kdesu |
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| 00:18.18 | zxxxd | anyone know a tool that can show in real time the size of the TCP window and if it's going larger or smaller in a transfer |
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| 00:19.01 | poseidon | noisesmith, thanks. That worked. |
| 00:19.19 | azeem | poseidon: you said it used to work before |
| 00:19.29 | poseidon | azeem, yes |
| 00:19.34 | azeem | wierd |
| 00:19.42 | azeem | maybe kdesu changed behaviour then |
| 00:19.54 | poseidon | I don't know how I could have altered it. |
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| 00:20.57 | fisxoj | anyone know how to stream to an apple AirTunes thingy from debian? |
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| 00:21.39 | noisesmith | I know I found an app, because I was curious - so I know it is possible. I forget what the app was, and don't know if it has an official debian package |
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| 00:24.45 | noisesmith | fisxoj: looks like you may want to try raop-play |
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| 00:25.18 | noisesmith | they have source and a sarge deb: http://raop-play.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:25.22 | fisxoj | noisemith: I can't get it to compile |
| 00:25.27 | fisxoj | and the sarge deb won't install |
| 00:26.34 | noisesmith | fisxoj: perhaps try installing the .deb from source? |
| 00:27.15 | fisxoj | noisesmith: Do you mean compile a .deb from the source? |
| 00:27.37 | noisesmith | fisxoj: yes, sorry |
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| 00:35.39 | samek | hello |
| 00:35.51 | noisesmith | fisxoj: for the command line, try http://nanocrew.net/software/justeport/ |
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| 00:35.54 | samek | i'm having problems with netbooting with dhcp |
| 00:36.12 | samek | in logs i get this |
| 00:36.13 | samek | Jun 18 02:33:05 blue dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 08:00:09:9d:a1:3c via eth0 |
| 00:36.14 | samek | Jun 18 02:33:05 blue dhcpd: BOOTREPLY for 192.168.0.233 to hppa (08:00:09:9d:a1:3c) via eth0 |
| 00:36.39 | samek | but on machine where i try to boot it, i get nothing |
| 00:36.45 | samek | any suggestions |
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| 00:38.44 | dustybin | how does PXE netbooting work? |
| 00:39.01 | dustybin | can you create a partition on ones server, and use that partition to boot another computer on the network? |
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| 00:39.30 | dustybin | so when you turn on the computer, it looks over the network at that parition and boots from it? |
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| 00:42.28 | noisesmith | dustybin: I think this may help do what you want: http://www.logilab.org/card/DebianDisklessTerminalHowto |
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| 00:43.47 | dustybin | noisesmith: thanks :-) |
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| 00:47.11 | dustybin | what does the word *nix mean? |
| 00:47.22 | dustybin | does it mean any OS what is unix based? including bsd and linux ? |
| 00:47.27 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: generally, yes. |
| 00:47.30 | dustybin | ok |
| 00:47.52 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: it's sort of ill-specified, but generally it means anything that is unixy |
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| 00:48.51 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: ok thanks :-) |
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| 00:54.57 | dustybin | what other unix based OS are there: linux, bsd, solaris ? |
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| 00:58.24 | enry | looking for a recommendation... anyone know a very lightweight web proxy software? |
| 00:58.51 | noisesmith | dustybin: hpux, aix, sco, minix, qnx, mac osX and a whole bunch of others |
| 00:58.55 | salvin | dustybin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix |
| 00:59.01 | dustybin | thanks |
| 00:59.03 | Deezire | enry: varnish |
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| 01:00.49 | enry | seems to be written for reverse proxying, looking to do forward, just wondering if theres something more lightweight than squid |
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| 01:14.13 | simonrvn | GAH TOO MANY WINDOWS OPEN |
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| 01:16.51 | netdaemon | GAH WHAT WM or DE TO INSTALL |
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| 01:16.57 | s0n1 | hi |
| 01:17.00 | netdaemon | too many decisions |
| 01:17.02 | netdaemon | lol |
| 01:17.05 | s0n1 | someone use pureftpd-mysql ? |
| 01:17.34 | s0n1 | i use, but don't function access for web, exemple, in firefox i put ftp://ftp.server.com .. don't open |
| 01:17.47 | s0n1 | someone knows ? |
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| 01:19.03 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 01:19.29 | SamuraiDio | can someone suggest a good package of fonts for design? |
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| 01:20.49 | greeg | hi |
| 01:20.56 | greeg | hi |
| 01:21.04 | xittum | SamuraiDio: you got the msttcorefonts? (/me hides before i get killed) i think its avaliable from debian-multimedia.org |
| 01:21.15 | greeg | how can i turn off kde wallet. im sick of all it's prompts. id rather leave everything up to cookies. |
| 01:22.00 | deltas4 | what are the packages for the chinese default fonts that come w debian? |
| 01:22.14 | xittum | greeg: well.. actually you should try and use it i think.. its not a bad app! But cant you just uninstall it? i think i did before |
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| 01:23.52 | xittum | deltas4: no idea but maybe "dpkg -l|grep fonts" will give you a clue? |
| 01:24.53 | deltas4 | it doesnt :s |
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| 01:25.40 | deltas4 | maybe xfonts-base |
| 01:25.41 | xittum | s0n1: ftp://127.0.0.1 works? |
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| 01:26.18 | deltas4 | (synaptic:7179): libglade-WARNING **: Could not load support for `gnome': libgnome.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:26.22 | deltas4 | how do i solve this |
| 01:26.31 | SamuraiDio | xittum, yeah, but i need nice and cool fonts... |
| 01:26.42 | s0n1 | xittum: entao meu bruxo.. |
| 01:26.48 | s0n1 | via console normal... |
| 01:26.48 | samantha-- | so i'm looking for a music organizer thing. requirements: needs to be able to mass-import m3u playlists, and needs to be able to drive an ipod. |
| 01:26.53 | s0n1 | deixa eu dar aqui localhost |
| 01:27.04 | deltas4 | fds |
| 01:27.21 | xittum | samantha--: amarok! |
| 01:27.29 | xittum | deltas4: you run stable.. hehe |
| 01:27.39 | s0n1 | localhost e fora funciona normal |
| 01:27.41 | s0n1 | menos via web |
| 01:27.52 | deltas4 | i removed gnome |
| 01:27.53 | samantha-- | xittum, how do i get amarok to do a mass import? and for fuck's sake, can we stick to a single language here? |
| 01:28.17 | deltas4 | or exaile |
| 01:28.48 | deltas4 | what do you mean with single language? |
| 01:29.20 | deltas4 | the same language, different than english, for everything? |
| 01:29.23 | xittum | samantha--: well.. you just import - use the libary and so on.. but exaile is also cool! try both |
| 01:30.05 | SamuraiDio | i got some *.PFB fonts, but i don't know how to install then... :( |
| 01:30.25 | deltas4 | xittum: do you use exaile? what packages I need to import to mp3? |
| 01:30.30 | deltas4 | SamuraiDio: japanese fonts? |
| 01:30.41 | SamuraiDio | deltas4, no |
| 01:30.44 | deltas4 | ah ok |
| 01:31.07 | xittum | i will translate even though i dont know spanish: "localhost e fora funciona normal" is something like: ftp://120.0.0.1 works fine" (which means he did not forward ports or got a firewall problem..? |
| 01:31.14 | xittum | ;) |
| 01:31.36 | SamuraiDio | is there some app that allow to preview xfonts before download with aptitude? |
| 01:31.38 | xittum | deltas4: i use amarok mostly - but i did try exaile some time ago |
| 01:31.45 | xittum | import? |
| 01:31.49 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: just install all of them, it's like 100M total for every debian font :P |
| 01:31.55 | SamuraiDio | ... or some website that shows then |
| 01:32.42 | samantha-- | i don't see how to do a mass m3u import in amarok, where each m3u is in a separate directory. in can do them one at a time, but since i have literally thousands of playlists, this is a problem |
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| 01:32.46 | SamuraiDio | pipeline, but to much fonts my slow the system, right? |
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| 01:35.16 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: I can't see why |
| 01:35.40 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: ohhhh I think I know what you mean. |
| 01:35.51 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: Yes, client-side font libraries are god damned stupid and maintain a separate cache for each application |
| 01:35.54 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: that said... |
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| 01:36.02 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: unless you actually USE thousands of fonts in each application, it's a non-issue. |
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| 01:38.34 | SamuraiDio | pipeline, but what you mean by use? since an app can show all avaiable fonts when i just click the "fint button" isn't the app loading all that fonts? |
| 01:39.19 | Wazz | anyone use enlightenment regularly? |
| 01:39.24 | SamuraiDio | yeah |
| 01:39.32 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, all the time |
| 01:39.40 | Wazz | which do you prefer e16 or 17? |
| 01:39.48 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, but you should to #E |
| 01:39.53 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, e17, for sure |
| 01:40.10 | pipeline | e16 actually has features thoug.h |
| 01:40.21 | Wazz | i bought elive and liked it, but i wish i could install the themes that they use in ubuntu |
| 01:40.25 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: not until you hit the font button |
| 01:40.31 | pipeline | SamuraiDio: and you would have to load thousands of fonts to care anyway :P |
| 01:41.27 | deltas4 | how do I make the output of a command pass to clipboard? |
| 01:42.01 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, the e17 themes will problally not work, since on every major update on E (mostly on edje) somw theme specifications may change. In pratice, every theme may work for 5 or 6 months... |
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| 01:42.32 | fisxoj | noisesmith: any other ideas? I can't seem to get anything to work |
| 01:42.36 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, but ever ubuntu/elive theme may be avaiable at e17-stuff.org, just get'em and test |
| 01:42.38 | Wazz | is there a deb package for e17? |
| 01:43.03 | Wazz | couldnt find one on thier site |
| 01:43.10 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, not officially, and trust me, it's better for you to compile it yourself, or now... |
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| 01:43.30 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, it's easy, don't bother |
| 01:43.55 | Wazz | ok thanks man |
| 01:44.08 | craigevil | e17 is in experimental |
| 01:44.11 | noisesmith | Wazz: e17 has a customized version of debian on a livecd, basicly debian with a few extra bleeding edge graphics packages and e17 |
| 01:44.17 | SamuraiDio | pipeline, ok, i'll install the fonts... |
| 01:44.29 | noisesmith | Wazz: it is called elive |
| 01:44.37 | Wazz | yeah ive tried it |
| 01:44.42 | Wazz | you have to pay for it lol |
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| 01:44.56 | Wazz | i got a copy at realease 1.0 |
| 01:44.57 | SamuraiDio | craigevil, is it already in experimental? on official repos? |
| 01:45.10 | craigevil | yes |
| 01:45.15 | Wazz | gave the guy 5 bucks cuz i thought it was a good distro |
| 01:45.57 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, Elive is cool, but once you want to change it to fit your needs and get recent E themes and modules, you'll get mad... so it's better to have an unstable Debian installation and build e17 yourself |
| 01:46.56 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, ahh, you don't have to pay for Elive, just ask, nicelly, then for a download link, at #elive |
| 01:47.01 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, ;) |
| 01:47.56 | Wazz | i ponied up and gave him the cash. i donate to alot of different open source projects |
| 01:49.18 | SamuraiDio | Wazz, nice |
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| 01:50.59 | SamuraiDio | g2g |
| 01:51.19 | saltedlight | hi. i wanna install debian but i'm not sure about what way should i use. if i use only the first cd will i be able to download all needed packages using a PPPoE connection? or is there a more proper way to do this kind of install? |
| 01:52.13 | jon_high9000 | stew: i have a question for you. i am currently running Ubuntu 8.04 and just install Bootp. do you think that will help? |
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| 01:53.29 | samantha-- | in mc, i can search for a filespec and then panelize the results. is there such a tool in kde? |
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| 01:59.11 | rokra | hi |
| 01:59.20 | rokra | How to install lspci on debian? |
| 01:59.59 | rokra | ok found |
| 02:00.33 | samantha-- | saltedlight, you want netinst. i believe netinst will do pppoe. |
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| 02:07.55 | Nyle | that depends on how fast/reliable your connection is |
| 02:09.36 | Nyle | saltedlight, but yes, the first cd should be good to get your debian installed |
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| 02:12.27 | Ian_Daniher | I get the following error: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 02:12.27 | Ian_Daniher | Fatal server error: |
| 02:12.27 | Ian_Daniher | no screens found |
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| 02:12.39 | dsync0 | \___)=(___/ |
| 02:12.41 | dsync0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.46 | Ian_Daniher | (copied from /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
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| 02:14.12 | eljefe_ | How long will running "md5sum --binary " take against a 50GB tar.gz file take? Will it consume and overwhelm the 2GB of RAM? A 9GB md5sum (not binary command tho) took about 10m I think, will the 50GB just take 5x as long? |
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| 02:16.04 | deltas4 | is away: "" |
| 02:16.08 | chops | Okay, I'm trying to use git, and I'm thoroughly confused. I have a source repo, and I made some modifications. Then I used 'git pull' from another machine to pull down the source and make some further changes. |
| 02:16.41 | chops | Now I've used 'git push' from the second machine to push my changes back to the first machine... what command from the first machine will integrate those changes into the local files on the first machine? |
| 02:16.59 | Ian_Daniher | eljefe_: logically, yes |
| 02:17.53 | chops | 'git diff HEAD' on the first machine shows me a diff that reverts all the second machine's changes, and none of 'git merge' 'git fetch' 'git checkout' seem to change that. |
| 02:18.19 | chops | The second machine's changes _do_ show up in 'git log' |
| 02:18.31 | chops | deltas4: Weren't you told earlier today to turn off the auto away messages? |
| 02:19.06 | eljefe_ | Ian_Daniher: logically, 5x as long? Or logically, my RAM is overwhelmed? |
| 02:19.08 | deltas4 | yeah |
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| 02:19.23 | Ian_Daniher | eljefe_: 5x |
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| 02:19.38 | Ian_Daniher | your ram should be fine(if you have swap, that may help) |
| 02:19.38 | eljefe_ | grand thank you |
| 02:19.44 | eljefe_ | yes, 4gb |
| 02:20.55 | LemensTS | how do i browse to a network folder in debian gnome? |
| 02:21.07 | chops | deltas4: Well, please do :-) |
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| 02:21.35 | deltas4 | I don't know how to turn off this shite in shroudbnc :S |
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| 02:22.48 | chops | Aha! 'git checkout foo.c' was needed (different from 'git checkout' which shows 'M foo.c') |
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| 02:24.22 | stopher2 | Okay then! I rebooted the laptop, so maybe now i won't be losing internet back and forth. |
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| 02:25.59 | stopher2 | thumbs: are you still available? |
| 02:28.08 | LemensTS | in windows i would go to start/run and type in //192.168.1.33 to view this network folder. How do i view it in debian? |
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| 02:33.33 | helo | how can i run screen if i have su'ed to the user running screen? |
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| 02:34.07 | cromag | you need to chown the tty |
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| 02:34.18 | cromag | i dont have specific info on that tho |
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| 02:34.50 | cromag | or chmod it, i actually dont remember now |
| 02:35.06 | cromag | or just be root and chown, that would maybe help |
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| 02:37.51 | JordiGH | How big would a base install be if every binary were statically linked? |
| 02:38.12 | pickcoder | LemensTS: um.. you need to mount it to the file system using mount -t smbfs or using smbmount |
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| 02:38.17 | JordiGH | Never mind that it's a stupid thing to do; it's just an academic question. |
| 02:38.32 | pickcoder | I'm not sure if there's a netBIOS browser for Gnome |
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| 02:38.51 | pickcoder | then again I don't normally browser for windows networks under Linux |
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| 02:38.56 | pickcoder | ~browse |
| 02:38.56 | wols | there is. ubuntu has one "Places" |
| 02:39.05 | pickcoder | eep |
| 02:39.09 | pickcoder | don't say it's so |
| 02:39.41 | Nyle | JordiGH, I would say ... 2-3x as big...? |
| 02:40.09 | JordiGH | Nyle: That's it? Would it be worthwhile to statically link everything so that we don't have to worry about binary compatibility? |
| 02:40.21 | Nyle | JordiGH, rough very rough guess |
| 02:40.22 | pickcoder | JordiGH: imagine the upgrading complexities |
| 02:40.25 | kowaniow | I know this is not strictly debian but can't get connected to moznet. In "X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070723 Iceweasel/2.0.0.6 (Microsoft Window Vista),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)", which line in about:config specify the string "Linux i686"? |
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| 02:40.46 | sladi | stew: events 4 and 5 weren't confused but occasional "misscrolls" happened. I really haven't tested it in windows for example. |
| 02:40.52 | Nyle | JordiGH, a minimal base install statically linked, about close to 3-5x as big |
| 02:41.04 | Nyle | JordiGH, really not by much I mean.. |
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| 02:41.35 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Am I misunderstanding what "statically linked" means? Doesn't that mean the binary includes everything it needs in one place so you don't have to worry about the libraries available or not in the host OS? |
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| 02:41.48 | Nyle | JordiGH, that is correct |
| 02:42.05 | pickcoder | and one binary has a copy of 4.5 while it's neighbor just got upgraded to 4.6 |
| 02:42.14 | JordiGH | So? |
| 02:42.22 | pickcoder | shrugs |
| 02:42.26 | Nyle | pickcoder, I think he knows that it is a stupid idea |
| 02:42.28 | Nyle | :) |
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| 02:43.04 | JordiGH | I actually don't understand this example. Why would it matter if one has 4.5 and the neighbour has 4.6? |
| 02:43.11 | pickcoder | 4.5 has a security flaw |
| 02:43.25 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 02:43.26 | Nyle | JordiGH, modularity |
| 02:43.28 | pickcoder | a lot more upgrading to do then instead of just upgrading the library |
| 02:43.33 | Nyle | easy manageability |
| 02:44.04 | pickcoder | plus you would consume a crapload more resident memory |
| 02:44.07 | sladi | JordiGH: there is zeroinstall, it's in debian repos too. everything can be installed as user. |
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| 02:44.18 | Nyle | pickcoder, a shitload |
| 02:44.26 | JordiGH | Right, security is of no concern. The question was that someone wanted to be able to upgrade only individual programs instead of upgrading the entire OS. |
| 02:44.37 | Nyle | imagine you load up another copy of that program! |
| 02:44.38 | Nyle | oh shit! |
| 02:44.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:45.15 | owen1 | i don't understand the difference between root and non-root user. |
| 02:45.28 | JordiGH | I explained that what Windows does is freezes libraries for 5-6 years at a time, sometimes more, so that developers don't have to worry about the version of the system library they're linking against. The alternative is to have changing libraries and binaries that need to recompiled against them when the API changes. |
| 02:45.39 | pickcoder | dynamic libs get loaded into memory once and every process can share the same copy in memory. static libs would be loaded for each instance of the application in memory. |
| 02:45.45 | JordiGH | owen1: root does whatever it wants including breaking the system, non-root doesn't. |
| 02:45.51 | Nyle | !root |
| 02:45.52 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:46.11 | JordiGH | Did BitchX get removed from Debian? |
| 02:46.24 | Nyle | JordiGH, /msg dpkg pdo |
| 02:46.26 | owen1 | JordiGH: i can't open x (startx) when i am not root. is it ok? |
| 02:46.38 | Nyle | owen1, no that is not ok |
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| 02:46.46 | JordiGH | No, it is not ok. |
| 02:47.12 | Nyle | owen1, do you use gnome, or kde or what? |
| 02:47.21 | owen1 | Nyle: i can't update my ~/.xinitrc while i am non-root. is it related? |
| 02:47.23 | JordiGH | Nyle: Yeah, it's not in lenny. I forget where to look for the paper trail when packages get removed. |
| 02:47.38 | pickcoder | JordiGH: windows also has DLLs... |
| 02:47.47 | owen1 | Nyle: dwm |
| 02:47.57 | Nyle | owen1, you can however install kdm and/or gdm and start it as root, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start or whatever... |
| 02:48.17 | Nyle | unless you really want no dm, and just want to startx, in which case we'd have to figure out why |
| 02:48.29 | Nyle | what does it say when you try to startx as user? |
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| 02:48.52 | owen1 | Nyle: i'll have to get out of x to test it, give me 2 minutes. |
| 02:49.06 | Nyle | owen1, you don't have to |
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| 02:49.33 | deltas4 | is away: Not set |
| 02:49.34 | Nyle | owen1, alt+ctrl+f2 and open console tty2 and startx :1 I think |
| 02:49.35 | Nyle | maybe |
| 02:49.56 | owen1 | Nyle: Nyle how to open tty2? |
| 02:50.20 | Nyle | alt+ctrl+f2 |
| 02:50.47 | Nyle | that way you don't have to exit X |
| 02:50.47 | owen1 | ok. so to go back here i need to go to tty1? |
| 02:51.03 | Nyle | your new X will run on :1 and you can switch between two X with alt+ctrl+f7 for your first Xserver, f8 for the second etc. etc. |
| 02:51.37 | Nyle | console tty is 1-6 normally, and graphical is f7onwards |
| 02:52.01 | Nyle | owen1, aka virtual terminals |
| 02:54.16 | Nyle | owen1, 10:47 < owen1> Nyle: i can't update my ~/.xinitrc while i am non-root. is it related? |
| 02:54.23 | Nyle | definitely a permission problem |
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| 02:55.23 | Quintin | failed in buffer_write(fd) blah blah. but I have tons of free space |
| 02:55.31 | owen1 | Nyle: let me try. |
| 02:55.38 | Nyle | owen1, looks like your permissions in your own ~/ are fucked up |
| 02:55.53 | Nyle | owen1, while you are already logged in as root, try this |
| 02:56.39 | Nyle | cd /home/<your username here>;find . -exec chown <your username here> {} \; find . -exec chgrp <your username here> {} \; |
| 02:57.32 | Nyle | or the equivalent of anyway you can do as root, chown -R <your username here> /home/<your username here> |
| 02:57.55 | Nyle | same with chgrp. maybe that will fix your permission issues |
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| 03:00.34 | owen1 | Nyle: find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 03:04.28 | Nyle | what did you type? |
| 03:04.49 | Nyle | did you put the angle brackets? |
| 03:04.57 | owen1 | nothing... |
| 03:05.09 | owen1 | find . -exec chown oren {} \ |
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| 03:05.41 | Nyle | that shouldn't work... |
| 03:05.50 | Nyle | throw a semi colon at the end |
| 03:06.06 | Nyle | \ tells new line i thinks |
| 03:06.49 | Nyle | owen1, find . -exec chown oren {} \; |
| 03:06.54 | Nyle | man find |
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| 03:07.40 | owen1 | Nyle: nothing is returned. |
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| 03:08.25 | owen1 | Nyle: what should happend with this command. |
| 03:08.30 | Nyle | good |
| 03:08.34 | Nyle | find . finds EVERYTHING |
| 03:08.41 | Nyle | -exec tells it to start a program |
| 03:08.56 | Nyle | we will find every file in your ~/ and execute chown on it |
| 03:09.06 | Nyle | chown = change owner |
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| 03:09.24 | Nyle | trying to restore your file/dir ownership |
| 03:09.39 | Nyle | its not supposed to give output |
| 03:10.08 | owen1 | so who owns the fils now? |
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| 03:10.22 | Nyle | you do, but apparantly some files you can't write to blah blah |
| 03:10.33 | pickcoder | Nyle: it only finds what has been indexed by updatedb |
| 03:10.44 | Nyle | pickcoder, oh right |
| 03:10.55 | Nyle | owen1, as root, updatedb |
| 03:11.41 | Nyle | it was just a quick fix I thought you'd know how it works but nevermind |
| 03:11.49 | Nyle | ls -l ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:12.12 | Nyle | should tell you who owner/permission, should indicate why you can't write to it |
| 03:12.16 | owen1 | Nyle: rwx |
| 03:12.29 | owen1 | -rwx------ 1 root root |
| 03:12.44 | Nyle | owen1, thats yoru problem you probably edited the file and saved it as root mabye |
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| 03:12.56 | owen1 | Nyle: Ttrue |
| 03:13.02 | Nyle | owen1, man chown, man chgrp |
| 03:13.16 | owen1 | Nyle: will do. thanks for the help. |
| 03:13.19 | Nyle | owen1, this probably happened to maybe someother critical files which is why you can't startx as user |
| 03:13.33 | Nyle | so basically I was trying to get you to reset your file ownership just in case |
| 03:13.38 | aptitude | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '50psgml-init' returned no results. |
| 03:13.53 | Nyle | hah |
| 03:13.56 | owen1 | Nyle: so did we reset the ownership? |
| 03:14.05 | Nyle | owen1, I don't konw what you did so far |
| 03:14.26 | owen1 | ok. i only did the chown |
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| 03:14.29 | South3rn | hi |
| 03:14.31 | owen1 | let me do the other one. |
| 03:14.45 | Nyle | owen1, alright just do this as root. chown -R oren /home/oren; chgrp -R oren /home/oren; |
| 03:15.25 | owen1 | done |
| 03:15.37 | Nyle | owen1, ls -l ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:15.54 | owen1 | -rwx------ 1 root root 78 |
| 03:16.39 | Nyle | owen1, ! |
| 03:17.26 | owen1 | Nyle: what's wrong? |
| 03:17.30 | Nyle | dude I have no idea |
| 03:17.40 | Nyle | this is extremely bizzare |
| 03:17.52 | Nyle | owen1, and you did this as root? |
| 03:18.10 | owen1 | Nyle: yes |
| 03:18.20 | Nyle | owen1, wow |
| 03:18.43 | Nyle | owen1, chown oren ~/.xinitrc;ls -l ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:18.49 | Nyle | owen1, whats the output |
| 03:19.01 | owen1 | -rwx------ 1 oren root 78 2008-06-16 00:27 /root/.xinitrc |
| 03:19.05 | Nyle | so wtf |
| 03:19.16 | Nyle | in /root? |
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| 03:19.17 | Nyle | no |
| 03:19.44 | owen1 | there are 2 .xinitrc files, i think.. |
| 03:20.03 | mogrohl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.14 | Nyle | mogrohl, oh right, brain fart |
| 03:20.18 | mogrohl | owen1: ls -l /home/owen/.xinitrc |
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| 03:20.38 | Nyle | mogrohl, thanks man I think im getting tired :) |
| 03:20.39 | owen1 | -rwx------ 1 oren oren 78 2008-06-17 16:19 /home/oren/.xinitrc |
| 03:21.01 | Nyle | mogrohl, I never really thought people would login as root I assume people use sudo or su |
| 03:21.11 | mogrohl | Nyle: ;) thought i would chime in before you get a headache over it |
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| 03:21.17 | Nyle | mogrohl, thanks |
| 03:21.26 | Nyle | good catch :) |
| 03:21.29 | owen1 | anything else i should try? |
| 03:21.36 | Nyle | owen1, you should be good to go |
| 03:21.47 | Nyle | owen1, try to startx as user, and if error, pastebin it |
| 03:22.00 | owen1 | ok. can u summerize the magic? |
| 03:22.02 | Nyle | owen1, now you can edit your xinitrc as user |
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| 03:22.23 | Nyle | owen1, all we did uptil now was reset your file ownership |
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| 03:22.36 | Led_Zeppelin | hello, does anyone know how stride fits in with LVM? |
| 03:22.39 | Gokee2 | Anyone happen to know the user apache2 uses when doing cgi? Is it the www-data user? |
| 03:23.04 | owen1 | do i have 2 different initrc files? |
| 03:23.15 | owen1 | one for su and one for regular users? |
| 03:23.18 | Nyle | owen1, one for /root and one for your user under /home/oren |
| 03:23.24 | Nyle | owen1, do not login as root |
| 03:23.40 | Nyle | owen1, instead apt-get install sudo and edit /etc/sudoers or use visudo |
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| 03:23.57 | Nyle | !sudo |
| 03:23.57 | dpkg | sudo is probably (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
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| 03:24.43 | Nyle | owen1, sometimes I switch my /home between multiple operating systems and sometimes I can't login to X as user so I just reset Xauthority and usually I can get in that way |
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| 03:25.07 | Nyle | thats probably your problem, Xauthority something or other, but just pastebin the errors you get when you startx as user |
| 03:25.15 | owen1 | Nyle: so the best practice is to install sudo? |
| 03:25.22 | Nyle | you got it |
| 03:25.55 | Nyle | owen1, you are new to linux and/or debian? |
| 03:26.05 | owen1 | Nyle: i wonder why i can't do sudo anymore (coming from staten island, aka ubunut) |
| 03:26.20 | Nyle | why does it matter if you are in staten island |
| 03:26.25 | Nyle | (I am in queens myself) |
| 03:26.28 | owen1 | Nyle: migrated 2 days ago. |
| 03:26.33 | Nyle | cool |
| 03:26.41 | Corrine | I'm getting an Operation not permitted error when I try to mount an NFS |
| 03:26.44 | Nyle | you should come visit us in manhattan, LUG meetings etc. |
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| 03:26.49 | Nyle | debian get togethers |
| 03:26.58 | Nyle | but anyway, START YOUR X NOW! |
| 03:26.59 | owen1 | Nyle: staten island is the nickname for ubuntu users. |
| 03:26.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:27.04 | Nyle | owen1, oh |
| 03:27.11 | Nyle | owen1, you are using ubuntu? |
| 03:27.20 | owen1 | Nyle: not anymore. |
| 03:27.25 | Nyle | you better not be |
| 03:27.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:27.30 | owen1 | Nyle: sure. |
| 03:27.46 | owen1 | thanks a lot for the help. got to go! |
| 03:27.49 | Nyle | bye |
| 03:28.23 | erpo | sudo really stands for SUperuser DO? |
| 03:28.25 | erpo | I thought it was Substitute User DO like su. |
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| 03:29.07 | Corrine | its substitute user |
| 03:29.18 | Corrine | you can give it not root permissions too |
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| 03:31.23 | Nyle | Corrine, what says /var/log/messages |
| 03:31.46 | Nyle | and for that matter pastebin your /etc/exprots |
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| 03:33.47 | Corrine | Nyle, got it already actually, it didn't want me mounting the file to inside the home directory |
| 03:34.08 | Corrine | testing it now |
| 03:34.38 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:35.40 | cafuego | Corrine: That goes for `su' as well. However, root privs are needed to switch to another user, be that root or not. sudo is just a nicer way to manage this. |
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| 03:36.51 | Nyle | dpkg sudo =~ s/SUperuser/Substitute User/ |
| 03:36.51 | dpkg | Nyle: OK |
| 03:36.55 | iateadonut | how can i start a program from the terminal and have scim start? |
| 03:36.55 | iateadonut | it seems that scim doesn't automatically activate for programs that i install from source. |
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| 03:42.15 | Nyle | !deluge |
| 03:42.15 | dpkg | it has been said that deluge is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit http://www.deluge-torrent.org for more |
| 03:42.44 | pickcoder | + info |
| 03:43.53 | cafuego | !deluge =~ s/more/more info/ |
| 03:43.54 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 03:44.26 | Nyle | pickcoder, well |
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| 03:44.32 | Nyle | info is implied :) |
| 03:44.45 | pickcoder | not always.. |
| 03:44.56 | Nyle | "visit blah.com for more" "call 1800-xxxxxxx- for more" |
| 03:44.56 | pickcoder | it could be "more aggravation" |
| 03:44.57 | gpm | cafuego: where'd you learn to talk to a bot like that? |
| 03:45.10 | cafuego | gpm: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:45.12 | Nyle | pickcoder, heh true |
| 03:45.47 | pickcoder | gpm: it's an inherited trait |
| 03:45.57 | Nyle | your mommy was a bot? |
| 03:46.09 | Nyle | paternal parental unit perhaps? |
| 03:46.18 | gpm | :( |
| 03:46.18 | cafuego | gpm: if you look at perl code long enough some will finally seep in |
| 03:46.32 | pickcoder | or if you spend too many hours with dpkg alone |
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| 03:46.36 | cafuego | shush |
| 03:46.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:46.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:46.42 | cafuego | we're in LOVE |
| 03:46.50 | gpm | cafuego: what's the program called? is it documented somewheres? |
| 03:47.05 | cafuego | gpm: Respectiovely, blootbot and no. |
| 03:47.13 | Nyle | what |
| 03:47.18 | Nyle | wrong. |
| 03:47.19 | gpm | nice |
| 03:47.25 | Nyle | infobot and its documetned |
| 03:47.30 | klync | can anyone name the best (stable and accurate) bayesian filter to run with exim? |
| 03:47.31 | liable | no |
| 03:47.34 | cafuego | no, Nyle |
| 03:47.39 | liable | !what are you |
| 03:47.39 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 03:47.42 | Nyle | infogot.org? |
| 03:47.45 | liable | what! |
| 03:47.51 | Nyle | told ya! |
| 03:47.53 | liable | when did that happen |
| 03:47.53 | Nyle | BOOOOYA! |
| 03:47.54 | gpm | !infobot |
| 03:47.55 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 03:47.55 | pickcoder | dpkg morphed |
| 03:47.55 | cafuego | O_RLY? Did it get recodebased? |
| 03:47.55 | dpkg | pickcoder: are you using Windows? |
| 03:48.16 | Nyle | dpkg shut up |
| 03:48.17 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:48.24 | Nyle | fucking bot |
| 03:48.26 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:48.33 | cafuego | !stupid bot |
| 03:48.33 | dpkg | no, stupid cafuego |
| 03:48.41 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:48.48 | Nyle | ooo burned by AI |
| 03:48.57 | gpm | you can call him a stupid bot, just not to his face |
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| 03:49.23 | gpm | wait, see the infobot factoid says infobot has been replaced by blootbot |
| 03:49.29 | gpm | so maybe cafuego is right after all? |
| 03:49.35 | Nyle | no |
| 03:49.41 | gpm | oh wait |
| 03:49.50 | gpm | blootbot.sf.net: we've merged back into infobot |
| 03:49.51 | gpm | haha |
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| 03:50.21 | Nyle | Infobot is once again in active development |
| 03:50.34 | Nyle | project currently led by Tim Riker |
| 03:50.40 | Nyle | owner of the `apt' bot |
| 03:50.48 | gpm | !karma for gpm |
| 03:50.48 | dpkg | for gpm has neutral karma |
| 03:50.53 | gpm | !gpm++ |
| 03:51.00 | gpm | aw, lame |
| 03:51.07 | cafuego | haha |
| 03:51.09 | liable | so is karma :P |
| 03:51.13 | gpm | true |
| 03:51.15 | Nyle | !karma Nyle |
| 03:51.15 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 2 |
| 03:51.22 | Nyle | no shit! |
| 03:51.24 | Nyle | heh word |
| 03:51.26 | netdaemon | !karma netdaemon |
| 03:51.26 | dpkg | netdaemon has neutral karma |
| 03:51.32 | cafuego | Isn't that supposed to read 0.2? |
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| 03:51.43 | Nyle | ey! go away |
| 03:51.48 | pickcoder | what scale is that based on, though |
| 03:51.52 | Nyle | pushes cafuego away |
| 03:51.54 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:51.57 | cafuego | pickcoder: blue |
| 03:52.01 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 03:52.09 | Nyle | cafuego, I was about to say Melodic Minor |
| 03:52.10 | Nyle | :) |
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| 03:52.24 | cafuego | Nyle: Same here, but I can SEE the music. |
| 03:52.46 | Nyle | cafuego, I can see the #music about 4 channel windows down |
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| 03:52.57 | cafuego | edges to the kitchen to scrounge up some lunch |
| 03:53.05 | Nyle | lunch? |
| 03:53.16 | Nyle | damn dude, where are you? I got midnight here |
| 03:53.37 | evilsporkman | so are there iceweasel 3 packages yet? I'm surprised this isn't in /topic |
| 03:53.44 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 03:53.44 | dpkg | hmm... ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we have in unstable, already, as iceweasel. Debian/testing (lenny) users can simply apt-get -t unstable iceweasel |
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| 03:54.37 | evilsporkman | wow, I wish someone had told me this weeks ago |
| 03:54.40 | evilsporkman | thanks a lot |
| 03:54.43 | Nyle | sure |
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| 03:54.53 | Nyle | I only found this out myself today so I made the factoid |
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| 03:55.07 | evilsporkman | needs a correction -- apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel |
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| 03:55.09 | Nyle | sicne starting today we've had insane amounts of people ask about iceweasel/firefox 3 in debian |
| 03:55.12 | pickcoder | I got a neat two-piece spork in a noodle lunch box the other day. |
| 03:55.21 | Nyle | evilsporkman, right |
| 03:55.22 | deltas4 | is away: Not set |
| 03:55.24 | Nyle | thank you |
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| 03:55.29 | pickcoder | who'd have thought.. |
| 03:55.47 | Nyle | dpkg ff3 =~ s/unstable/unstable install/ |
| 03:55.47 | dpkg | Nyle: OK |
| 03:56.09 | SerajewelKS | what's the appropriate way to completely copy one directory to another, preserving everything? cp -ax? |
| 03:56.36 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: tar it? |
| 03:57.55 | Nyle | tar |
| 03:58.03 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: why would i be tarring something on the same system? |
| 03:58.11 | Nyle | !tar |
| 03:58.11 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 03:58.18 | Nyle | where did they get the name 'tar' |
| 03:58.29 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:58.31 | Nyle | tape archive |
| 03:58.32 | mogrohl | tape archive |
| 03:58.32 | Nyle | doh |
| 03:58.36 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 03:58.39 | netdaemon | beat me to it |
| 03:58.44 | SerajewelKS | i know what tar is |
| 03:58.46 | Nyle | i beat morla to it |
| 03:58.58 | SerajewelKS | i just don't get why i'd use it to copy directories on the same system |
| 03:58.58 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, I was asking the bot formyself |
| 03:59.04 | iateadonut | what is the correct package for connecting scim to Qt applications in debian? |
| 03:59.10 | Nyle | i knew what tar was, i just didn't remember where they got the name |
| 04:00.02 | Nyle | iateadonut, don't eat too many you'll get fat |
| 04:00.10 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: a tar pipe would preserve everthing |
| 04:00.15 | Nyle | iateadonut, never used scim no idea |
| 04:00.19 | pickcoder | you can also specify what to preserve with cp |
| 04:00.22 | kingsley | Can someone here please check if version 3.0~rc2-1 of iceweasel crashes with a segmentation fault when opening wav sounds? |
| 04:00.27 | Nyle | iateadonut, maybe ask #kde (long sot) |
| 04:00.30 | Nyle | shot* |
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| 04:00.51 | Nyle | kingsley, link me a wav file |
| 04:00.56 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: i am trying 'cp -vax --preserve=all source/* dest/' |
| 04:00.58 | pickcoder | the default for -a (-p included) is mode/ownership/timestamps |
| 04:01.03 | iateadonut | it's a debian package thing. |
| 04:01.11 | iateadonut | in etch. no qt bridge. |
| 04:01.18 | iateadonut | at least not that i have found yet. |
| 04:01.24 | Nyle | search scim|grep qt |
| 04:01.33 | kingsley | Nyle: OK, hold on... |
| 04:01.34 | Nyle | you mean like scim/qt bindings or soemthig |
| 04:01.45 | erpo | Nyle: xchat has a setting to keep tab completion from doing what it just did to you. |
| 04:01.49 | erpo | Nyle: I recently discovered it myself and I've never been happier. |
| 04:01.52 | SerajewelKS | it is a good thing i remembered -x too, i have some filesystems mounted in my ~ |
| 04:02.00 | Nyle | erpo, what? |
| 04:02.22 | kingsley | Nyle: http://www.dangermouse.org/sounds/ |
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| 04:02.35 | Nyle | erpo, I use irssi, but what did tab completion just do to me? |
| 04:02.47 | Nyle | erpo, and I'd like to know how to be happier too, if possible |
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| 04:03.03 | SerajewelKS | you know, as much shit as windows gets for having an unmaintainable registry, having a thousand dot-directories that i may or may not be using isn't a whole lot better... |
| 04:03.13 | erpo | Nyle: Didn't you refer to morla when you meant to refer to mogrohl? |
| 04:03.21 | Nyle | erpo, Idid? |
| 04:03.39 | erpo | <Nyle> i beat morla to it |
| 04:03.50 | Nyle | oh |
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| 04:03.53 | Nyle | I didn't even notice |
| 04:03.59 | jdahm | I just built the nvidia module using module assistant and when I try to modprobe it it claims that the module liscense 'NVIDIA' taints kernel |
| 04:04.00 | mogrohl | i did, but i got it |
| 04:04.08 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: because it does |
| 04:04.13 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: it's a warning, not an error |
| 04:04.19 | Nyle | erpo, I typed the wrong 3rd letter |
| 04:04.26 | Nyle | erpo, his nick is mog.. I type mor.. |
| 04:04.28 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: well, it's not loading |
| 04:04.39 | Nyle | erpo, its not a tab complete misfire or whatever |
| 04:04.43 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: what is the output of `lsmod | grep nvidia` |
| 04:04.48 | Nyle | it was me typing wrong |
| 04:04.52 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: because that message is not fatal |
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| 04:04.53 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: Missed the memo? Linux has a registry too now (Gnome: gconf). |
| 04:04.57 | Nyle | unless I misunderstand you |
| 04:05.14 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: I get a ACPI: PCI Interrupt below it |
| 04:05.15 | Nyle | cafuego, no.. gnome has a registry |
| 04:05.16 | SerajewelKS | cafuego: i know about gconf, bot that is not a "linux registry" it is a "per-user GNOME registry" |
| 04:05.21 | Nyle | cafuego, linux just has a kernel, thats all |
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| 04:05.29 | lazarus477 | Hey folks |
| 04:05.30 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: lsmod shows that it's loaded but when I start X it says the module does exist |
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| 04:05.37 | cafuego | !stare Nyle |
| 04:05.38 | kingsley | Nyle: Will you please check if version 3.0~rc2-1 of iceweasel crashes with a segmentation fault when opening the wav sounds at http://www.dangermouse.org/sounds/? |
| 04:05.42 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: did you install nvidia-glx too? |
| 04:05.45 | cafuego | stares warily at Nyle |
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| 04:05.49 | Nyle | cafuego, just bustin yer chops ;) |
| 04:05.52 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: that is the X driver that uses the kernel module you have loaded |
| 04:06.02 | cafuego | raises an eyebrow at Nyle |
| 04:06.12 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: seems I didn't ;) thanks |
| 04:06.17 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: np |
| 04:06.21 | Nyle | kingsley, hang on |
| 04:06.26 | lazarus477 | I am running Debian Lenny. I cannot access my home shares over Samba using "smbclient \\\\host\\username -U username%password" |
| 04:06.44 | lazarus477 | I have asked a guru at the Samba channel and we are both clueless... |
| 04:06.48 | erpo | xchat will erroneously expand nicknames sometimes. |
| 04:06.49 | erpo | It used to drive me nuts. |
| 04:06.55 | erpo | Now I'm as serene as a goat behind the keyboard. |
| 04:06.57 | lazarus477 | Any known issues going on? I also have this problem on Debian Etch |
| 04:07.02 | lazarus477 | Works fine on NetBSD. |
| 04:07.29 | lazarus477 | What I get is NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 04:07.32 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: you have to install the kernel module first though, so you have to apt-get install crap twice, once for nvidia-kernel-source and once for nvidia-glx, with a break in the middle for m-a |
| 04:07.45 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: because nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel (which is dumb IMO) |
| 04:07.55 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: yeah I saw that it had held the version back |
| 04:08.05 | lazarus477 | If I SSH to either server and do the smbclient thing locally with same user account it works. |
| 04:08.10 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: by the way, what's with the aptitude "score |
| 04:08.16 | Nyle | what seriously |
| 04:08.17 | jdahm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.18 | Nyle | you shouldn't use sid |
| 04:08.19 | Nyle | . |
| 04:08.20 | Nyle | FFS. |
| 04:08.21 | lazarus477 | no firewalls. |
| 04:08.25 | Nyle | !dbugs 486673 |
| 04:08.28 | dpkg | #486673:G[iceweasel] iceweasel: segmentation fault opening wav sounds; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:48:02 UTC |
| 04:08.30 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: the score specifies how "damaging" it thinks the solution is |
| 04:08.43 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: like i think it prefers installing packages over removing them |
| 04:08.44 | Nyle | kingsley, apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 04:08.51 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: the lower (negative) the number, the worse? |
| 04:08.51 | pickcoder | lazarus477: tried mounting it locally? |
| 04:09.03 | Nyle | kingsley, it is a known bug and it has been filed |
| 04:09.04 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: i believe so yes, or it might also be like golf |
| 04:09.13 | jdahm | SerajewelKS: haha, indeed |
| 04:09.19 | lazarus477 | running smbclient locally works, mounting over SSHFS remotely also works. |
| 04:09.35 | Nyle | kingsley, your first stop should be the BTS |
| 04:09.40 | Nyle | !tell kingsley -about bts |
| 04:09.58 | SerajewelKS | lazarus477: you might try #samba |
| 04:10.05 | lazarus477 | I have |
| 04:10.07 | SerajewelKS | lazarus477: i've had similar issues and IIRC they were able to help |
| 04:10.27 | Nyle | grave bugs of iceweasel (-> 3.0~rc2-1) <pending> #486673 - iceweasel: segmentation fault opening wav sounds |
| 04:10.34 | lazarus477 | I got a nice fellow in there who has helped me out plenty in the past with a production server running Debian Etch. |
| 04:10.38 | wols | SerajewelKS: it's not dumb. glx can't work without the kernel module |
| 04:11.11 | lazarus477 | But he and I are both stuck on this one and he is like the foremost authority I have managed to find. |
| 04:11.20 | SerajewelKS | wols: indeed but it forces you to run more commands than you should have to. it would make more sense to have it recommend the kernel module IMO. |
| 04:11.28 | jdahm | wols: true, but it could print something saying now install nvidia-glx |
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| 04:11.40 | lazarus477 | I am only experiencing this on Debian Samba servers. My NetBSD server works fine. |
| 04:11.55 | SerajewelKS | wols: really i don't care one way or the other, just opinion |
| 04:11.59 | wols | SerajewelKS: no. there is no kernel module in lenny or sid for example |
| 04:12.13 | wols | so it can't just install it |
| 04:12.14 | lazarus477 | And all worked fine across 2 Lenny and 1 Etch server up until I recently tried it. I am thinking something broke with an update. |
| 04:12.28 | jdahm | wols: I'm on testing/unstable and it's working just fine |
| 04:12.34 | SerajewelKS | wols: exactly. it depends on a nonexistant package. so you have to install nvidia-kernel-source, build that, then remember to install nvidia-glx too. |
| 04:12.48 | wols | jdahm: there is no kernel-module on unstable or lenny that you can apt-get |
| 04:12.54 | jdahm | wols: oh I see |
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| 04:13.05 | SerajewelKS | wols: which is why it should not depend on it |
| 04:13.08 | wols | lazarus477: try without %password |
| 04:13.09 | pickcoder | lazarus477: tried it without the command line password spec? |
| 04:13.13 | SerajewelKS | granted there is a one-liner |
| 04:13.22 | wols | SerajewelKS: BS. since it doesn't work with it. and last but not least: it's non-fre |
| 04:13.23 | SerajewelKS | hell i usually just write out my own one-liner from memory |
| 04:13.26 | evilsporkman | anyone else noticed their machine becoming unresponsive to user input for seconds at a time lately? |
| 04:13.30 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 04:13.30 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/, or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html |
| 04:13.30 | lazarus477 | I tried without %password and only specifying -U |
| 04:13.35 | evilsporkman | details: mouse pointer moves, but clicking and typing are futile |
| 04:13.37 | wols | lazarus477: and? |
| 04:13.39 | SerajewelKS | wols: what doesn't work with what, and non-free is a straw man |
| 04:13.43 | lazarus477 | same results |
| 04:13.49 | lazarus477 | weird as hell |
| 04:14.03 | evilsporkman | this just started happening at home today (debian testing) and it's been happening on a few friends' ubuntu boxen as well |
| 04:14.07 | lazarus477 | I can list shares but I cannot access my remote user dir on any machine |
| 04:14.07 | SerajewelKS | evilsporkman: which kernel |
| 04:14.20 | pickcoder | lazarus477: what about mounting it? |
| 04:14.25 | lazarus477 | Also tried it from Vista. There it works but only with the logged in account in use. |
| 04:14.30 | evilsporkman | 2.6.24-1-amd64 here |
| 04:14.32 | wols | lazarus477: Vista or XP or samba? |
| 04:14.42 | kingsley | Nyle: Yes, you're right of course. Here's the big but. But, I'd like to know whether iceweasel crashes for anyone besides the person who filed the bug report. |
| 04:14.46 | lazarus477 | when you say mounting you mean use mount -t cifs or smbmount? |
| 04:14.55 | pickcoder | mount -t smbfs |
| 04:14.58 | lazarus477 | All servers are Debian |
| 04:15.02 | SerajewelKS | evilsporkman: huh dunno... i know that 2.6.25 does really weird shit that locks my box entirely after an hour or two, so i just downgraded back to 2.6.24 today |
| 04:15.09 | Nyle | kingsley, more than likely... its not a bug with the user, but with the software |
| 04:15.09 | lazarus477 | As clients I have Vista, and Debian. |
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| 04:15.22 | Nyle | this software is no different on one machine than it is on another |
| 04:15.27 | wols | ok, then it's a bit odd. anything in the logs? |
| 04:15.36 | lazarus477 | nope |
| 04:15.41 | lazarus477 | just checked them |
| 04:15.59 | lazarus477 | not a single new entry for these misshaps |
| 04:16.10 | wols | that is not possible |
| 04:16.17 | wols | if there is no entry, id didn't happen.... |
| 04:16.18 | lazarus477 | that is what I thought |
| 04:16.19 | kingsley | Nyle: Are you confident enough to test it? |
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| 04:16.25 | wols | lazarus477: where did you look? |
| 04:16.26 | Nyle | of course |
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| 04:16.36 | Nyle | kingsley, could you kindly link me again |
| 04:16.42 | doorknob60 | do any of you know when firefox 3 will be in apt-get on lenny? |
| 04:16.48 | kingsley | Nyle: http://www.dangermouse.org/sounds/ |
| 04:16.48 | lazarus477 | "/var/log/samba/log.hostname" |
| 04:16.49 | wols | !tell doorknob60 wir |
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| 04:17.29 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: unlikely that it ever will be. iceweasel 3 might be in soon though. |
| 04:17.39 | doorknob60 | wols: oh yeah thats what i mean |
| 04:17.52 | doorknob60 | i always call icewasl firefox cuz there pretty much the same |
| 04:18.01 | SerajewelKS | they are more or less |
| 04:18.08 | SerajewelKS | and i'm over here <-- |
| 04:18.15 | Nyle | kingsley, fan freaking tastic |
| 04:18.17 | Nyle | check this out |
| 04:18.20 | Nyle | !dbugs #486354 |
| 04:18.24 | dpkg | #486354:G[iceweasel] iceweasel: Iceweasel rc2 does not start; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:27:02 UTC |
| 04:18.34 | Nyle | yay! it doesn't wanna even start for me! yay |
| 04:18.40 | craigevil | usually takes a couple of days for a new release to hit sid after Mozilla releases then a week or 2 for it to make its way into testing |
| 04:19.04 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: since the 3 betas i have been building FF myself from mozilla tarballs |
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| 04:19.17 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: i get native amd64 support |
| 04:19.21 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 04:19.22 | dpkg | hmm... ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we have in unstable install, already, as iceweasel. Debian/testing (lenny) users can simply apt-get -t unstable iceweasel |
| 04:19.30 | alaya | quick question: is intel video a safer option than nvidia? |
| 04:19.44 | SerajewelKS | i haven't decided if i am going to continue using upstream sources or iceweasel |
| 04:19.46 | kingsley | Nyle: Is my understanding correct that version 3.0~rc2-1 of iceweasel won't start for you? |
| 04:19.53 | Nyle | kingsley, you are correct |
| 04:19.54 | evilsporkman | alaya: I hear intel chips bite and might pee on teh carpet |
| 04:20.04 | kingsley | Nyle: Wow! |
| 04:20.06 | doorknob60 | SerajewelKS: I know i can do that but not really worth it knowing iceweasel 3 will be here soon. just wondering because kubuntu already got ff3 earlier today :O not im huge hurry |
| 04:20.08 | kingsley | Nyle: Thank you. |
| 04:20.13 | SerajewelKS | alaya: based on my experience, intel is fussier than nvidia |
| 04:20.16 | Nyle | dpkg ff3 =~ s/unstable install/unstable |
| 04:20.17 | dpkg | Nyle: are you using Windows? |
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| 04:20.29 | pickcoder | alaya: for what purpose |
| 04:20.36 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: because the principle of ubuntu seems to be release shit before you test it :) |
| 04:20.53 | doorknob60 | thats true lol, at least kinda |
| 04:20.55 | alaya | pickcoder: for a new thinkpad. choice between nvidia and intel. am leaning towards intel because of better OS support |
| 04:21.13 | pickcoder | I mean what you are wanting to do with it? X.. 3D.. text console |
| 04:21.32 | alaya | pickcoder: oh heck, very minimal stuff probably. i am not really a graphics person |
| 04:21.38 | SerajewelKS | alaya: intel has better FLOSS support |
| 04:21.41 | doorknob60 | SerajewelKS: pulseaudio for example, they included it in 8.04, caused lots of problems lol. most notable it caused flash to crash |
| 04:21.47 | SerajewelKS | alaya: nvidia has better support if you include proprietary drivers |
| 04:21.51 | alaya | pickcoder: i want a gpu that works decently with the least amount of fus spossible |
| 04:21.56 | SerajewelKS | alaya: though the free nv driver works well too |
| 04:22.19 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: indeed. and pulse still breaks shit that doesn't know how to use it. |
| 04:22.24 | SerajewelKS | *cough*skype*cough* |
| 04:22.25 | wols | alaya: both have different kinds of fusses |
| 04:22.30 | doorknob60 | yeah lol |
| 04:22.34 | alaya | SerajewelKS, pickcoder: thanks |
| 04:22.41 | doorknob60 | when i got hardy, i disbled pulsaudio stragitaway |
| 04:23.02 | SerajewelKS | it's tons better than dmix though, for gaming |
| 04:23.03 | doorknob60 | alsa was working perfectly fine "If it aint broke, dont fix it" |
| 04:23.11 | Nyle | kingsley, well what can ya do, its fucked up |
| 04:23.13 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: alsa is broken though |
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| 04:23.23 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: pulseaudio is the least broken sound solution that exists IMO |
| 04:23.29 | doorknob60 | well its better than pulseaudio, at least in ubuntu's case |
| 04:23.35 | SerajewelKS | ALSA is fine if you don't care to listen to more than one app at a time |
| 04:23.45 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: "better" is a useless term |
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| 04:23.53 | doorknob60 | i guess |
| 04:23.54 | SerajewelKS | doorknob60: "causes less problems" yes. "better" arguably no. |
| 04:24.00 | doorknob60 | true |
| 04:24.34 | binarymutant | how do I turn on external tabs in fluxbox, i've been looking but can't find anything on it |
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| 04:24.41 | doorknob60 | does anyone know how to make java mix with amarok nicely without using aoss? |
| 04:25.01 | doorknob60 | aoss likes to make java randomly crash -.- |
| 04:25.10 | Nyle | does anyone know what this means? munmap(0xb65cc000, 167640) = 0 |
| 04:25.16 | doorknob60 | no clue... |
| 04:25.26 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it means that your munmap call succeeded |
| 04:25.42 | Nyle | strace iceweasel goes fine until it detects ~/.mozilla |
| 04:25.55 | Nyle | then i get about 20 of those munmap things |
| 04:25.56 | Nyle | exit_group(1) = ? |
| 04:26.00 | Nyle | thats it |
| 04:26.15 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it's probably deallocating everything and quitting |
| 04:26.25 | Nyle | Process 12722 detached |
| 04:26.26 | Nyle | ahh |
| 04:26.32 | Nyle | what is a munmap anyway? |
| 04:26.40 | Nyle | memoy unmap |
| 04:26.42 | Nyle | or something? |
| 04:27.04 | Nyle | access("/home/stoned/.mozilla/firefox", F_OK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 04:27.04 | Nyle | mkdir("/home/stoned/.mozilla/firefox", 0700) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 04:27.08 | Nyle | and these too |
| 04:27.53 | extor | Where can I find some detailed documentation on the php5-xdebug package for lenny and sid? I would like to see if it is possible to use it as a plugin to an IDE without mods.. |
| 04:28.25 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it unmaps memory |
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| 04:28.30 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: the opposite of mmap() |
| 04:28.44 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, didn't know it was a system cal |
| 04:28.49 | Nyle | I'm still a linux newb |
| 04:28.50 | kingsley | Nyle: Which architecture did you test iceweasel on? i386? |
| 04:28.53 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: roughly speaking it turns an open file handle into a pointer so that a file can be read/written as if it were in memory |
| 04:28.55 | Nyle | kingsley, yes |
| 04:29.06 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, oh I see |
| 04:29.14 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, how do you know all these things? |
| 04:29.19 | pickcoder | Nyle: what are the permissions and ownership for ~stoned |
| 04:29.20 | Nyle | how can I know them too? |
| 04:29.27 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i hack :) |
| 04:29.28 | Nyle | pickcoder, good question |
| 04:29.36 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, I have little time |
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| 04:29.43 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: you learn this shit by using it. i've been a C developer for some years now. |
| 04:29.49 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i do too :) |
| 04:29.57 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i didn't say i used it *recently* :) |
| 04:30.03 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, I'm VERY good at the guitar... |
| 04:30.12 | SerajewelKS | there you go |
| 04:30.13 | enouf | pfft |
| 04:30.17 | enouf | runs |
| 04:30.18 | SerajewelKS | to each his own |
| 04:30.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:30.27 | pickcoder | sends Nyle a USB Guitar from ThinkGeek |
| 04:30.33 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:30.37 | Nyle | pickcoder, thank you |
| 04:30.40 | enouf | he is good |
| 04:30.41 | Nyle | I appreciate the gift |
| 04:31.05 | pickcoder | got two t-shirts from TG for Dad Day |
| 04:31.23 | Nyle | $>ls -al /home/stoned/.mozilla/ |
| 04:31.23 | Nyle | ls: cannot open directory /home/stoned/.mozilla/: Permission denied |
| 04:31.26 | Nyle | pickcoder, thats why |
| 04:31.27 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i code so much that when i'm away from the computer (and i'm not kidding here) my brain will be debugging code i wrote earlier in the day or even the week in my head |
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| 04:31.35 | Nyle | I'm too sleepy to fuck with it right now |
| 04:31.40 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i have discovered many a bug in my stuff while nowhere near a computer |
| 04:31.58 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, I have done C# for oil company as a jr. dev |
| 04:32.14 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i mostly code in C# these days too, using mono and Gtk# |
| 04:32.20 | Nyle | hah |
| 04:32.22 | Nyle | lamer! :) |
| 04:32.31 | enouf | ewww |
| 04:32.33 | Nyle | uses Visual Studio |
| 04:32.34 | SerajewelKS | hey at least i hack preload libraries too |
| 04:32.35 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: you'll have grey hair early if you continue |
| 04:32.50 | SerajewelKS | queue the mono FUD in 3... 2... 1... |
| 04:33.03 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: maybe, i already have back problems :( |
| 04:33.04 | Nyle | Visual Studio is brilliant |
| 04:33.11 | enouf | mono? take some antibiotics |
| 04:33.13 | Nyle | I don't care how much you hate MS or nonfree |
| 04:33.23 | Nyle | VS is THE shit, anyway this isn't the place for this |
| 04:33.33 | Nyle | moving on |
| 04:33.33 | sladi | SerajewelKS: biking helps ^^ |
| 04:33.41 | enouf | vs? you suck |
| 04:33.44 | SerajewelKS | sladi: i prefer DDR |
| 04:33.49 | Nyle | YOU SUCK! |
| 04:33.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:33.55 | SerajewelKS | your face sucks |
| 04:34.09 | Nyle | what are you 12? |
| 04:34.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:34.16 | sladi | SerajewelKS: i see :) |
| 04:34.21 | SerajewelKS | some permutation of those digits, yes |
| 04:34.21 | Nyle | feel like I'm back in middle school |
| 04:34.23 | Nyle | hehehe |
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| 04:34.33 | SerajewelKS | oh wait no i had a birthday recently |
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| 04:34.48 | SerajewelKS | so some permutation of those digits + 1 |
| 04:34.57 | Nyle | 22 |
| 04:35.04 | Nyle | you're a baby |
| 04:35.04 | SerajewelKS | sladi: it's good cardio if you can stand the shit music |
| 04:35.24 | SerajewelKS | relatively speaking probably |
| 04:35.33 | SerajewelKS | you must be an old fart |
| 04:35.38 | sladi | SerajewelKS: lol, i never tried it. |
| 04:36.05 | SerajewelKS | sladi: it's marketed towards prepubescant japanese girls |
| 04:36.07 | SerajewelKS | sladi: you do the math |
| 04:36.24 | SerajewelKS | at least StepMix has some good stuff |
| 04:36.25 | pickcoder | what constitutes "old fart" |
| 04:36.25 | sladi | SerajewelKS: ok :) |
| 04:36.37 | Nyle | I am the fourth of a teth of a millenium times ten, plus two. |
| 04:36.43 | Nyle | tenth* |
| 04:37.00 | Nyle | er.. |
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| 04:37.06 | SerajewelKS | 252? |
| 04:37.07 | SerajewelKS | damn |
| 04:37.07 | Nyle | -10 |
| 04:37.11 | Nyle | no |
| 04:37.12 | Nyle | 27 |
| 04:37.20 | Nyle | quarter of a 10th of a millenium |
| 04:37.25 | SerajewelKS | 1000/10/4 = 25 |
| 04:37.30 | Nyle | yeh |
| 04:37.31 | Nyle | and plus two |
| 04:37.33 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 04:37.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:37.39 | SerajewelKS | 25*10+2=252 |
| 04:37.55 | Nyle | no |
| 04:38.05 | SerajewelKS | 1/4 of 1/10 of a milleniem * 10 is 250 |
| 04:38.23 | Nyle | quater of a (10th of millenium which is 100) so.. a quarter of a 10th of a 1000 years |
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| 04:38.27 | Nyle | 25 |
| 04:38.29 | Nyle | + 2 |
| 04:38.32 | SerajewelKS | yes 25 |
| 04:38.35 | SerajewelKS | then you said "times 10" |
| 04:38.46 | SerajewelKS | your "tenth" and "times ten" cancel |
| 04:38.48 | mogrohl | 1/10 of a millinium * 10 = millineum |
| 04:38.50 | mogrohl | haha |
| 04:38.54 | Nyle | yeh i was confused |
| 04:38.55 | SerajewelKS | 1000/4+2 |
| 04:38.59 | Nyle | mogrohl, yeh brain fart |
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| 04:39.05 | SerajewelKS | !win me |
| 04:39.06 | Nyle | I'm sleepyu but trying not to sleep |
| 04:39.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, serajewelks! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 04:39.37 | SerajewelKS | i think the next reality TV show should take some nobody and make them US president for a month |
| 04:39.41 | TinoW | sees SerajewelKS bombing some other country |
| 04:39.44 | SerajewelKS | you know how much shit would actually get done |
| 04:39.53 | Nyle | TinoW, probably more brown people |
| 04:39.58 | jdahm | for some reason I'm not seeing liblame come up in aptitude |
| 04:40.09 | Nyle | jdahm, which debian distro? |
| 04:40.15 | Nyle | liblame0 |
| 04:40.17 | Nyle | i think its called |
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| 04:40.39 | jdahm | Nyle: libwolame-dev? |
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| 04:40.45 | jdahm | why wolame? |
| 04:40.45 | wols | jdahm: no |
| 04:41.03 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: are you trying to compile something? |
| 04:41.04 | wols | jdahm: NO |
| 04:41.06 | jdahm | wols: mythtv calls for liblame-dev and I dont see it |
| 04:41.14 | wols | !tell jdahm about dmm |
| 04:41.16 | mogrohl | is there a package? i just built lame from source.. |
| 04:41.20 | TinoW | rarely uses aptitude, apt-cache search lame does it most of the time |
| 04:41.28 | wols | there is. but not in "normal" debian |
| 04:41.38 | Nyle | mp3 encoding is nonfree |
| 04:41.43 | Nyle | !nonfree |
| 04:41.43 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:41.44 | pickcoder | nite all |
| 04:41.49 | jdahm | wols: ok this wiki didn't say it was in debian-multimedia |
| 04:41.57 | jdahm | wols: but that makes sense |
| 04:41.59 | liable | isnt there toolame or something? |
| 04:42.04 | wols | lame is not in non-free |
| 04:42.06 | \amethyst | stupid stupid ATI |
| 04:42.16 | Nyle | wols, I thought it used to be |
| 04:42.21 | Nyle | ... |
| 04:42.24 | wols | liable: there is |
| 04:42.30 | jdahm | wols: I have non-free and I don't see it |
| 04:42.32 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it did, but it was a patent concern |
| 04:42.37 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:42.38 | wols | jdahm: < wols> lame is not in non-free |
| 04:42.43 | Nyle | so its in dmm now |
| 04:42.45 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 04:42.45 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 04:42.48 | SerajewelKS | who cares, vorbis is better anyway |
| 04:42.55 | jdahm | wols: woah, I need to skim better ;) |
| 04:43.02 | \amethyst | fglrx was completely ignoring changes to my xorg.conf . Turns out it was getting settings from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb instead of xorg.conf |
| 04:43.16 | enouf | liable: a fork, see lame.sf.net |
| 04:43.28 | Nyle | \amethyst, fglrx FUCKED up my lcd |
| 04:43.46 | wols | enouf: how does the fork help when it's mp3 itself that is patented? you can fork it as often as you want. won't help |
| 04:44.21 | enouf | help who? help what? i was talkin to liable |
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| 04:44.53 | Nyle | enouf, help yourself... check into a mental clinic ;) |
| 04:44.59 | Nyle | runs |
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| 04:45.14 | enouf | don't bother me, i'm tired .. </dislclaimer> |
| 04:45.38 | Nyle | oh great now I know to bother you more |
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| 04:46.51 | Nyle | \amethyst, which gfx card do you have? |
| 04:47.45 | Nyle | damn |
| 04:47.54 | Nyle | I spoke 39,000+ words today |
| 04:48.01 | Nyle | in here alone |
| 04:48.15 | Nyle | or no |
| 04:48.16 | SerajewelKS | your FACE spoke 39,000+ words |
| 04:48.37 | Nyle | thats over a month or a day? |
| 04:48.42 | Nyle | thats a month |
| 04:48.48 | Nyle | there no way i coudla spoken that much today |
| 04:48.54 | Nyle | could I? |
| 04:49.26 | SerajewelKS | maybe, that's 27 per minute |
| 04:49.30 | wols | enouf: help circumvent the mp3 patent lame violates |
| 04:49.48 | Nyle | tell people to use ogg instead |
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| 05:02.57 | kripz | when im using mv or cp, there is not output, is it possible to show time left or something likethat? |
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| 05:03.32 | wols | man mv |
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| 05:05.55 | udinesh5 | gnome desktop restores the windows every day, which once was not closed while shutting down. what should be done to correct it ? |
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| 05:06.16 | Dewi | kripz: list of filenames, yes, time left, probably not. Use rsync --progress |
| 05:06.31 | Dewi | kripz: but read the man page first, rsync is obviously a much more powerful tool than the basic copy commands |
| 05:06.44 | kripz | ill try -v for verbose when its finished |
| 05:06.50 | mogrohl | kripz: mv -v gives verbose output, each file moved will show up after its moved |
| 05:06.52 | Dewi | (even rsync it's only a time left for each file, not the lot) |
| 05:08.22 | kripz | Is it possible to execute commands in background or different thread? |
| 05:09.28 | SerajewelKS | kripz: yes |
| 05:09.37 | SerajewelKS | kripz: somecommand & |
| 05:09.52 | kripz | ok thanks |
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| 05:16.35 | owen1 | i installed sudo. do i need to edit something in sudoers or leave the default. |
| 05:17.49 | owen1 | Nyle: thanks for helping me an hour ago. i am not root anymore! |
| 05:18.14 | jdahm | I'm having a little trouble with mysql after installing it on debian, whatever I set the root password as, I cannot connect |
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| 05:44.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:47.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:47.13 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
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| 05:53.21 | iateadonut | guess i got to upgrade to lenny to have a qt binding for scim. |
| 05:53.37 | iateadonut | is skype Qt? |
| 05:54.01 | Nyle | owen1, cool |
| 05:54.04 | Nyle | enjoy |
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| 05:55.10 | gpm | iateadonut: yeah i think it is |
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| 05:55.40 | iateadonut | how do i backup my debian partition for re-installation in case the upgrade to lenny doesn't go so well? |
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| 05:55.51 | iateadonut | what programs should i look at? |
| 05:56.09 | infinitycircuit | iateadonut, look at rsync |
| 05:56.17 | iateadonut | rsync? |
| 05:56.20 | Nyle | or just image the entire disk |
| 05:56.27 | iateadonut | for backing up my etch? |
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| 05:56.45 | infinitycircuit | iateadonut, rsync will let you do incremental backups of only those files that have changed |
| 05:56.46 | iateadonut | dd makes an image with all permission and everything else? |
| 05:56.51 | gpm | i always just back up any configs i messed with and reinstall |
| 05:56.53 | infinitycircuit | if you just want a single image |
| 05:57.03 | Nyle | I can clean up everything and then in a few GB I can image my system and restore it |
| 05:57.06 | infinitycircuit | you can just tar -cf /, ideally from a livecd |
| 05:57.32 | Nyle | plenty of tools |
| 05:57.43 | iateadonut | i just want a disc that i can restore in case. |
| 05:57.47 | owen1 | can i install FF3 on debian? |
| 05:57.48 | iateadonut | that should be dd, i guess. |
| 05:57.49 | gpm | don't forget to grub-install though |
| 05:57.52 | iateadonut | i should do it from a live cd? |
| 05:57.53 | gpm | owen1: it's in sid |
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| 05:58.03 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 05:58.04 | dpkg | i heard ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it - Currently broken in sid with bug numbers #486673 #486354 #484270 |
| 05:58.09 | infinitycircuit | iateadonut, well you don't want /var/run or /sys |
| 05:58.15 | iateadonut | right. |
| 05:58.20 | iateadonut | cool. thanks then. |
| 05:58.27 | iateadonut | i'll do some research on dd. |
| 05:58.44 | gpm | if you dd, does that take care of the mbr too? |
| 05:58.58 | iateadonut | mbr i can do by hand easily. |
| 05:59.08 | gpm | i know i am just curious |
| 05:59.15 | Agiofws | has anyone ever connected to a "3com 3226 " managed switch to enable its IP adress ? via serial console ? |
| 05:59.23 | iateadonut | i think the mbr should be on the first partition... i'm not sure. |
| 05:59.47 | gpm | this could be solved by google, i'm just being lazy |
| 05:59.49 | iateadonut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
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| 06:00.51 | N0Lif3 | I'm having issues with my PPC G4 Mac Mini's superdrive playing DVD's in Debian Linux. This is the first time I've tried using a disc since I first used the installation disc to install Debian. (at that time, I used a netinstall cd-r) When I put in the DVD movie (retail disc, not home-made) it reads for about 15 seconds or so then autotmatically spits it out. |
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| 06:01.12 | Nyle | sleepy time |
| 06:01.28 | iateadonut | To back up the MBR of a hard disk or other storage device, use the following command to create a file named mbr.bin containing the entire contents of the master boot record: # dd if=device of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 |
| 06:01.31 | infinitycircuit | N0Lif3, do you have codecs like libdvdcss2 installed? |
| 06:01.41 | infinitycircuit | N0Lif3, you can try installing mplayer and running mplayer dvd:// from the command line |
| 06:02.10 | N0Lif3 | infinitycircuit: it won't stay in the drive for long. The mac mini keeps automatically spitting the disc out |
| 06:02.33 | N0Lif3 | I do have mplayer and vlc installed. |
| 06:03.50 | noritr | iateadonut can lilo -M be used (somehow) to write the mbr to a file (using > ??) |
| 06:04.15 | iateadonut | i don't know a lot about lilo. sorry. |
| 06:04.34 | iateadonut | i think puppy linux does a good job of most of those kind of things you need a live cd for. |
| 06:05.57 | gpm | or knoppix, or ubuntu, or whatever |
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| 06:07.29 | noritr | lfs has a very nice live cd (and dsl-n) |
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| 06:13.50 | tarzeau | any font fans in here? |
| 06:14.00 | iateadonut | yes. |
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| 06:18.12 | noritr | love mono spaced fonts |
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| 06:19.09 | epoxy | isn't there a way to untar a file and siwtch to the dir automatically? like tar xvzf foo.tar | cd - |
| 06:20.07 | epoxy | other then using && .. :) won't know the dir i guess you could say. i thought thre was a shortcut some how. i forget :O |
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| 06:24.48 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | http://kaptinkurk.googlepages.com/Screenshot-PowerHistory.png <-- What does the sharp rise then dip mean? and should I be concerned? |
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| 06:25.22 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | now it leveled out, rose a bit then dropped 2.3W |
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| 06:26.28 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | raised* |
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| 06:36.32 | dr-evil | hi all |
| 06:36.40 | dr-evil | new question |
| 06:36.49 | dr-evil | we have a telnet server |
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| 06:37.15 | dr-evil | sometimes passwords need to be changed |
| 06:37.37 | dr-evil | and user during login get a message about password expire |
| 06:37.57 | dr-evil | because thats fucking users don't know english |
| 06:38.12 | dr-evil | we wanna to show this message in russian |
| 06:38.30 | dr-evil | any knows? |
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| 06:43.05 | noritr | telnet ? that is so retro - do you work in a unix museum? |
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| 06:43.36 | owen1 | how can i access my ubuntu partition from debian partition? |
| 06:44.03 | noritr | owen1 mount it |
| 06:44.34 | noritr | what is it's partition? |
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| 06:45.10 | owen1 | what command will allow me to see all the partitons? |
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| 06:45.15 | tarzeau | fdisk -l |
| 06:45.29 | dr-evil | noritr: why? we have about 400 users working with a DB via text interface |
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| 06:46.02 | noritr | i've heard ... that all the telnet passwords get sent in clear text |
| 06:46.11 | owen1 | tarzeau: what package can i get fdisk? |
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| 06:46.32 | tarzeau | owen1: you already have it |
| 06:46.34 | dr-evil | noritr: I know, it's an intelnal lan server |
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| 06:46.38 | tarzeau | owen1: you need to be root |
| 06:46.43 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:46.44 | dpkg | qotd34 is, like, < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 06:47.13 | owen1 | tarzeau: command not found |
| 06:47.27 | dr-evil | noritr: and currently we wanna to translate or switch password change language |
| 06:47.57 | tarzeau | owen1: can you say: su ? |
| 06:48.02 | noritr | do you have gettext and locale installed (libintl, libiconv etc when you installed/compiled telnet) |
| 06:48.08 | dr-evil | нÑÑ |
| 06:48.11 | dr-evil | yes |
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| 06:48.33 | x|e | anyone here familiar with using libpam-unix2? im using it.. but now cant't seem to change any passwords on my system, and cannot add new users with password. :/ |
| 06:49.19 | owen1 | tarzeau: ok. you were right. so i want to mount sda1 |
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| 06:49.28 | x|e | i am getting this error, "crypt_r: Don't know 0 | Error: Password NOT changed. | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error | passwd: password unchanged".. |
| 06:50.05 | owen1 | can i mount with regular user? i assume it's safer? |
| 06:50.09 | tarzeau | owen1: no |
| 06:50.16 | owen1 | tarzeau: ok.. |
| 06:51.09 | owen1 | before mounting, i need to create a folder somewhere, right? |
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| 06:51.16 | N0Lif3 | I can't get my DVD movie to play in debian. The stupid thing keeps ejecting on its own. I have libdvdcss2, I'm trying to get mplayer to try reading and playing the disc before it ejects but it won't work. I can play the DVD perfectly fine on my laptop with Windows. What can I do to get the DVD working? I've been trying for nearly an hour now. |
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| 06:51.21 | gpm | you can use a pre-existing mountpoint |
| 06:51.42 | tarzeau | owen1: yes, unless you mount it to an already existing one |
| 06:51.46 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 06:51.48 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:51.54 | gpm | N0Lif3: wait, you put a DVD in, and it stays in until you try to play and then it ejects? |
| 06:52.06 | gpm | or does it eject right away? |
| 06:52.19 | alperbaba | hello i want to update my GTK libraries what command do i have to enter with apt-get |
| 06:52.43 | N0Lif3 | gpm: The disc stays in the drive for about 15-20 seconds then automatically spits out |
| 06:52.53 | x|e | ermm.. i feel ignored :/ |
| 06:53.00 | gpm | alperbaba: apt-get upgrade libgtk2.0-0 |
| 06:53.01 | N0Lif3 | During the time that it is in, it appears as "/dev/dvd" |
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| 06:53.18 | gpm | N0Lif3: anything in dmesg? |
| 06:53.24 | noritr | x|e you have the ultimate root kit proof system - people are stewing in their jealousy |
| 06:53.29 | gpm | !give x|e a cookie |
| 06:53.31 | dpkg | gives x|e a home-baked oatmeal raisin cookie to cheer him up. |
| 06:53.42 | N0Lif3 | hdb: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 06:53.42 | N0Lif3 | hdb: packet command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
| 06:53.42 | N0Lif3 | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 06:53.47 | x|e | lol |
| 06:53.49 | x|e | i do not |
| 06:53.50 | alperbaba | gpm:is it the last version because i need 2.1* |
| 06:54.00 | x|e | but.. how do i fix this? |
| 06:54.09 | gpm | alperbaba: is what the last version? |
| 06:54.15 | alperbaba | gpm: i added unstable repo also |
| 06:54.22 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, what program shows that Power History graph? |
| 06:54.26 | noritr | x|e pam is hard to work on without hands on - did you change anything? cp back the original /etc/pam.conf |
| 06:54.26 | gpm | alperbaba: are you running unstable? |
| 06:54.46 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | gnome-power-statistics |
| 06:54.51 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | hoxu: gnome-power-statistics |
| 06:55.06 | gpm | N0Lif3: you could try googling those errors, i'm not familiar with them, but i bet they are a clue. sounds like a kernel/hardware problem more than a problem with mplayer or libdvdcss |
| 06:55.11 | alperbaba | gpm:no but i want to use it because i can't run firefox 3 it needs gtk 2.10 or higher |
| 06:55.12 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, thanks |
| 06:55.14 | x|e | noritr: yes ive tried to change it over to use blowfish instead of md5 |
| 06:55.23 | x|e | so thats basically all i edited |
| 06:55.30 | gpm | !tell alperbaba about ff3 |
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| 06:55.51 | noritr | with your crypt error - did you install blowfish? |
| 06:56.04 | gpm | alperbaba: are you on etch or lenny? |
| 06:56.15 | alperbaba | gpm:etch |
| 06:56.26 | x|e | ermm install it? |
| 06:56.54 | gpm | alperbaba: yeah...upgrading gtk is going to be a bitch. you might want to consider upgrading to lenny |
| 06:57.13 | alperbaba | gpm: i don't hear about lenny |
| 06:57.19 | x|e | noritr: i was told to use libpam-unix2, thats all ive installed |
| 06:57.22 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 06:57.24 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
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| 06:57.31 | gpm | booya |
| 06:57.41 | gpm | !lenny pool |
| 06:57.42 | dpkg | somebody said lenny pool was Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 06:57.56 | noritr | i don't know if you have it or not - give me a minute |
| 06:57.56 | gpm | hm, too soon to bet i bet |
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| 06:58.42 | simonrvn | been working on themes most of the day, damned tired of it right now. |
| 06:58.50 | alperbaba | gpm: how can i upgrede to lenny |
| 06:59.06 | gpm | alperbaba: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 06:59.15 | simonrvn | alperbaba: see above message from the bot |
| 06:59.28 | gpm | oh boy, i wonder if he's ready |
| 06:59.30 | gpm | i'm ready for bed |
| 06:59.36 | simonrvn | probably not.. |
| 07:00.18 | noritr | x|e - change it all back to md5 and undo the libpam-unix2 - get a working system - but don't reboot |
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| 07:01.24 | x|e | noritr: this is a working system. ;) i would like to use blowfish instead... |
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| 07:04.03 | zophy[] | is there a gtk panel app that monitors hard disk free space ? |
| 07:04.09 | simonrvn | x|e: first make backups of /etc/pam.d; what i did was switch pam_unix.so to pam_unix2.so, but before doing that a) i made sure to have a root terminal open b) the backups c) commented out the pam_unix.so stuff instead of deleting it d) configure pam_unix2 beforehand |
| 07:04.28 | zophy[] | not the disk in use monitor |
| 07:04.40 | x|e | simonrvn thats what i did |
| 07:05.03 | noritr | is there /lib/security/pam_unix2.* |
| 07:05.29 | x|e | noritr: sure is |
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| 07:06.15 | noritr | hey i'm interested - i'd love to switch from md5 to blowfish |
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| 07:07.02 | simonrvn | be careeful though, any passwords created with it won't be parseable by the regular pam_unix |
| 07:07.08 | simonrvn | careful* |
| 07:07.21 | x|e | could it have anything to do with the way partitions are mounted? |
| 07:07.47 | noritr | no |
| 07:07.49 | x|e | because i know i had some problems with compiling a few things because of it |
| 07:07.52 | simonrvn | ? |
| 07:07.52 | OpenTokix | why would one wanna swtich from md5 to blowfish? |
| 07:08.32 | noritr | are you using /etc/pam.d or /etc/pam.conf |
| 07:08.57 | x|e | /etc/pam.d |
| 07:09.21 | x|e | OpenTokix: improve password security? |
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| 07:11.46 | N0Lif3 | WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I got the dvd working!!! |
| 07:12.01 | noritr | what did you have to do? |
| 07:12.35 | N0Lif3 | I used hdparm to change the cdrom speed. |
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| 07:13.44 | N0Lif3 | I don't know what it was set to by default, but I changed the number to 4 and now I'm happily watching Hellboy in KMplayer. |
| 07:14.45 | noritr | man hdparm says -E is not necessary for regular operation- so your hellboy cd must not be regular |
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| 07:16.02 | Tex-Twil | good morning |
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| 07:16.42 | N0Lif3 | noritr: I don't know. I think that when I did the bare Debian install that it didn't properly set my superdrive's speed setting. |
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| 07:17.07 | Tex-Twil | please where can I find some mirrors for debian repositories ? |
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| 07:18.42 | noritr | N0Lif3 - did this eject problem happen with reading a data cd? |
| 07:19.29 | N0Lif3 | I only data cd I have used since installing linux on this is the netinstall cd. That cd worked just fine |
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| 07:20.11 | N0Lif3 | Oh, btw, I set the speed to 4 ("/sbin/hdparm -E /dev/dvd 4"). It seems good, the DVD is playing smoothly and the superdrive isn't making much noise. |
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| 07:21.14 | liable | !tell Tex-Twil about mirrors |
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| 07:23.14 | Tex-Twil | hmmmm |
| 07:23.26 | Tex-Twil | !help |
| 07:23.28 | noritr | maybe there is a funny hdparm in the kdeplayer ? |
| 07:23.32 | Tex-Twil | !mirrors |
| 07:23.35 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 07:24.41 | EoN | whats the debian equivalent of httpd -M ? |
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| 07:25.13 | Alver | Hello. vim crashes on me in sid with a "Bus error". The backtrace is unusable - is there a better or more preferred way of debugging this? |
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| 07:30.34 | strawks | Hi all, is there an expert in memory usage under linux? http://rafb.net/p/XxSINL44.html <-- 2Gb total, 77MB free, 5MB buffers, 83MB cache, 330MB total RSS and 640MB swap ! |
| 07:30.56 | strawks | who could be using all memory? |
| 07:31.13 | OpenTokix | strawks: don't bother with it |
| 07:31.25 | OpenTokix | strawks: linux will use all memory for buffers and such to speed stuf upp |
| 07:31.40 | OpenTokix | strawks: for instance all modern distributions use half the RAM for /tmpfs |
| 07:31.45 | xoz | Alver: you still have enough memory? |
| 07:31.46 | OpenTokix | strawks: but that is dynamical |
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| 07:32.18 | joltcan | strawks: use top and press M to see which application takes up most memory and see if you use that one or not |
| 07:32.36 | xoz | Alver: also check if the vim's temporary memory is acessible |
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| 07:32.48 | strawks | joltcan: you can see with ps that nobody is using much ram |
| 07:33.12 | strawks | joltcan: Xorg has only 70MB resident |
| 07:33.14 | joltcan | strawks: yeah, I just clicked your paste :) doesn't seem that un-normal, except the swap ram |
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| 07:35.14 | Alver | xoz: half a gig free. And how would I check that temporary memory? |
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| 07:36.22 | kripz | i cant umount my usb stick, it says its busy, what do i have to do first? |
| 07:36.39 | hoxu | strawks, try shutting down X and all applications, and check again |
| 07:36.43 | xoz | kripz: lsof |
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| 07:36.54 | loop_ | hi people |
| 07:36.56 | strawks | hoxu: ok I'll try that |
| 07:37.15 | hoxu | strawks, how long has this system been running? |
| 07:37.16 | xoz | kripz: lsof | grep <directory of mounted usb> |
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| 07:37.54 | lvh | hello |
| 07:38.03 | Tex-Twil | please I have a question about the "stable" vs "testing" versions |
| 07:38.16 | Tex-Twil | I was told that I should use "testing" instead of "stable" |
| 07:38.24 | loop_ | why on my debian etch if I would use gparted I can't select fat32 filesystem and more? How I install for use this kinds of filesystem? Anyone can help me? |
| 07:38.26 | lvh | I need a very simple, fast, dns server that basically just asks another dns server on every request except for a few exceptions |
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| 07:38.34 | strawks | hoxu: 6 days |
| 07:38.40 | Alver | lvh: dnsmasq |
| 07:38.44 | lvh | Alver: thanks |
| 07:38.46 | lvh | Alver++ |
| 07:38.52 | hoxu | strawks, any problems earlier? |
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| 07:40.00 | strawks | I don't know, I just noticed it a few hours ago, but the system is running quite fine, except that it is swapping more than it should |
| 07:40.35 | hoxu | starscalling, well, I'm no expert... but do you use a stock debian kernel / any external drivers etc? |
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| 07:41.11 | Tex-Twil | ok I found my answer here http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 07:41.50 | hoxu | !tell Tex-Twil about upgrade path |
| 07:43.18 | noritr | kripz - are you on the usb stick (cd /) or a program using something on the usb stick |
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| 07:45.10 | IronRage | how do i get my comp to connect to the router? |
| 07:45.25 | hoxu | IronRage, some context would be nice |
| 07:45.34 | IronRage | i have wireless |
| 07:45.43 | IronRage | i just don't know how to find the wireless area |
| 07:45.46 | IronRage | so i connect to it |
| 07:45.55 | hoxu | !wireless |
| 07:45.56 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Model information may be found at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>. |
| 07:46.15 | IronRage | hoxu, i have wireless |
| 07:46.18 | IronRage | i know that |
| 07:46.21 | IronRage | i just brought it up |
| 07:46.24 | IronRage | i'm on ethernet |
| 07:46.36 | IronRage | where on my computer do i find the list of wireless nets |
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| 07:47.07 | akio | hello |
| 07:48.02 | akio | am i correct in thinking that there is a way to reach all of my home pcs through dyndns, and should i set up a dns? |
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| 07:48.32 | akio | i want to have some servers set up and i want to be able to access all of them on my lan through dyndns |
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| 07:48.54 | akio | do i need to set up a domain for the lan? |
| 07:49.07 | IronRage | i'd think you can connect on the ips |
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| 07:50.58 | akio | what i would like to do is have access to a machine that has just been set up, and have its hostname automagically picked up from my lan to the net |
| 07:51.11 | IronRage | dat beyond me |
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| 07:52.21 | Skratz0r | Ugh |
| 07:52.23 | hoxu | !tell akio about dyndns |
| 07:52.42 | Skratz0r | Why is Debian so lame with my Internets? |
| 07:52.55 | IronRage | same here Skratz0r |
| 07:53.00 | Skratz0r | It's really slow when I run Debian; but when I run OS X, it's back to normal speed... (iBook G4) |
| 07:53.06 | Skratz0r | :-| |
| 07:53.15 | Skratz0r | Surely there's a config I can get at to change this? |
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| 07:53.52 | mario_gomez | Hi got a problem with my debian in vmware. |
| 07:54.22 | mario_gomez | where have I to put in my proxy configureation? |
| 07:54.33 | noritr | akio - why not use /etc/hosts |
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| 07:55.05 | ^shark_ | akio: are you saying you want to put the machine onto the domain? |
| 07:55.59 | IronRage | ^shark_, is there software or something |
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| 07:56.03 | IronRage | that lets me connect to the wireless |
| 07:56.22 | hoxu | akio, do you run your own dhcp server in the lan? |
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| 07:56.36 | xoz | Skratz0r: try virtualbox so that you can run debian inside os X and you need not reboot. |
| 07:56.37 | mario_gomez | Does anyone here knows where to put in the proxy settings? |
| 07:56.49 | hoxu | (updated/created "dynamic dns" and "dynamic dns clients" factoids btw) |
| 07:56.53 | IronRage | mario_gomez, |
| 07:56.56 | IronRage | go to system |
| 07:57.07 | IronRage | then preferences |
| 07:57.07 | mario_gomez | In terminal :) |
| 07:57.11 | IronRage | oh |
| 07:57.22 | hoxu | mario_gomez, environment variables HTTP_PROXY and http_proxy |
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| 07:57.35 | mario_gomez | where is it? |
| 07:57.52 | hoxu | mario_gomez, or just the lowercase one... you can put it in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 07:58.29 | hoxu | mario_gomez, probably the first one, just add `export http_proxy="http://someserver:port"' |
| 07:58.53 | mario_gomez | Cool! Thnaks :) but where is my bashrc? |
| 07:59.45 | hoxu | !~ |
| 07:59.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+' |
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| 08:00.17 | mario_gomez | c00l :) Thank you hoxu°! |
| 08:00.34 | IronRage | ok so hoxu |
| 08:00.38 | IronRage | i have wireless working |
| 08:00.42 | Alver | xoz: d'you have any idea how I can debug this vim issue further? Not having a proper editor on the system is annoying. |
| 08:00.43 | IronRage | i know it works and is up |
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| 08:00.53 | Skratz0r | xoz; >_> |
| 08:00.55 | IronRage | what i am looking for is how do i connect to the router |
| 08:01.11 | xoz | Alver: strace /usr/bin/vim |
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| 08:01.38 | noritr | alver -> leafpad |
| 08:02.16 | Alver | xoz: last line before the bus error is mmap2(0xb76bf000, 151552, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x108) = 0xb76bf000. |
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| 08:02.27 | noritr | IRonRage- you got ethernet cable?, you got ethernet port on computer, you got javascript enabled browser (firefox) |
| 08:02.40 | IronRage | noritr, yes |
| 08:02.47 | IronRage | i have the ethernet going on |
| 08:02.55 | IronRage | i want to get wireless access to the router |
| 08:02.58 | IronRage | i have wireless enabled |
| 08:03.01 | IronRage | thats taken care of |
| 08:03.07 | IronRage | i just can't figure out how to connect to the router itself |
| 08:03.11 | IronRage | without an ethernet cord |
| 08:03.13 | xoz | Alver: yep, you have no access permission to the temporary scratch |
| 08:03.20 | IronRage | like in windows there is a place where you can view wireless nets |
| 08:03.49 | IronRage | something like that :S |
| 08:03.53 | Alver | xoz: aha. Strangeness. Where is that located? Even root has this issue, and I'd suppose root has all permissions. |
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| 08:04.48 | xoz | Alver: usually tmpfs.... df -h |
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| 08:05.34 | Alver | tmpfs is mounted and unused it seems. |
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| 08:06.28 | xoz | Alver: either /tmp or root is mounted readonly? |
| 08:06.37 | x|e | ok well ive changed everything in /etc/pam.d/* back over to use pam_unix.so, i was able to change password.. but when i use pam_unix2.so for blowfish i cannot change passwords... :/ |
| 08:06.38 | blongden | Hi all - I'm sure this has been asked a million times today - but anyone know of a firefox 3 apt source yet? :-) |
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| 08:07.45 | Alver | xoz: no, all rw. |
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| 08:08.32 | x|e | maybe there is something wrong with the libpam_unix2 package in unstable? .. ive read several tutorials to see if i was screwing something up.. but in every case i am doing it correct. ive googled my errors and i can't seem to find anyone with this problem.. |
| 08:09.00 | xoz | Alver: read up the output of strace and look what dir it cannot access |
| 08:10.55 | Alver | xoz: http://rafb.net/p/9xjpJg91.txt - it tries to load a few libs, but I can't make much of it |
| 08:11.50 | x|e | libpam-unix2* rather |
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| 08:11.55 | hoxu | !info iceweasel sid |
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| 08:12.08 | noritr | x|e pastebin the /etc/pam.d/passwd file |
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| 08:12.34 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 08:12.45 | c0nfl|ct | bom di |
| 08:12.45 | hoxu | blongden, ^, no package for etch afaik, you are better off downloading from mozilla |
| 08:12.50 | xoz | Alver: access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 08:13.05 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia |
| 08:13.12 | x|e | noritr: the only thing in there is '@include common-password' |
| 08:13.37 | lazarus477 | I was in here a couple of hours ago with a problem where I could not access the homes share of samba no matter what I did. I solved the problem. Turned out when using a Windows Vista or Debian with smbclient the host name would be resolved through DNS which in my case returned a WAN IP from some foobar machine out there. I entered in the host IP manually and then all was well. |
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| 08:14.17 | lazarus477 | This is why Samba was not logging any errors since no connection attempt had been made to it. |
| 08:14.19 | blongden | hoxu, yeah - I probably will. I tend to like installing everything at least through dpkg. Might investigate building an unofficial .deb file for it :-) |
| 08:14.26 | Alver | xoz: that file doesn't exist, that's true. |
| 08:15.04 | hoxu | blongden, probably not a simple task |
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| 08:15.55 | xoz | Alver: are you using unstable? |
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| 08:16.26 | xoz | Alver: try purging all vim and reinstall. seems you have library deps problem |
| 08:16.30 | rotzbouw | hi |
| 08:16.38 | noritr | x|e pastebin the file you are making changes in then <sigh> |
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| 08:16.57 | x|e | noritr all 4 of them? |
| 08:17.10 | x|e | ok will do |
| 08:17.22 | rotzbouw | so I recently installed netatalk to be able to play music on my mac from my debian box.. |
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| 08:18.08 | rotzbouw | so far so good. suddenly i realize, that itunes ignored all music files with a special character in it's file name (e.g. ê). |
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| 08:18.58 | rotzbouw | I can browse to that file on my mac and can look at it, but as soon as I click on it (not to mention double-click or right click), it disappears. |
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| 08:19.19 | rotzbouw | does anyone have a clue? |
| 08:19.57 | rotzbouw | the volume with the sound files is mounted in fstab in UTF-8 (it's a ntfs partition, but the same happens on any ext3 partition.) |
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| 08:22.20 | x|e | noritr: http://pastebin.ca/1049951 |
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| 08:23.18 | sauvin | Rename the files, maybe? |
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| 08:28.40 | rotzbouw | sauvin, it's a big amount of files, and I think, the same would apply to the metadata of said files.. |
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| 08:29.35 | noritr | x|e comment out the line in common-session |
| 08:30.15 | Alver | Damnit, even purge & reinstall didn't fix vim. |
| 08:30.17 | Legality | hey, when building a high availability cluster, what are the detector servers called? I mean the servers that detect which node is down and where to redirect traffic |
| 08:30.39 | x|e | noritr: replace the old one? |
| 08:31.20 | rotzbouw | Oh, I think I know what the problem is. Is there a script to convert a batch of files' names to utf8? |
| 08:31.56 | x|e | noritr, didnt work same error :/ |
| 08:31.59 | macoute | iconv? |
| 08:32.01 | noritr | no just comment it out for testing |
| 08:32.11 | macoute | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.11 | rotzbouw | i'll look into that, thx macoute |
| 08:32.13 | noritr | what about shadow file? |
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| 08:32.30 | x|e | ive checked that they are still defaulted to md5 passwords |
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| 08:33.37 | noritr | check them to pam_unix2.so |
| 08:34.40 | x|e | noritr: ive rebooted several times and it still lets me log in perfectly.. no problems |
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| 08:35.13 | x|e | and i wouldn't know how to go about checking them to pam_unix2.so |
| 08:35.25 | noritr | changing not checking - sorry |
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| 08:35.34 | aronofsky | Hi, silly question but im tryin in a cript to get the path of the script itself, in opposition to pwd which, executed in the script, will return the path from where the script has been executed ... what is the simplier way to do that ? |
| 08:36.46 | noritr | don't reboot just do password changing that all |
| 08:37.09 | noritr | did you make full backup of cp -a /etc/pam.d /etc/pam.d.org |
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| 08:38.32 | x|e | noritr i do have a backup yes |
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| 08:39.03 | x|e | noritr my system has been rebooted like this several times.. its not causing a problem.... yet anyways |
| 08:39.37 | rotzbouw | to use iconv, I have to know in which encoding the inputfile is.. how do I know this? |
| 08:39.55 | aronofsky | anyone, im tryin in a script to get the path of the script itself, in opposition to pwd which, executed in the script, will return the path from where the script has been executed ... what is the simplier way to do that ? Should I use some regexp on $0 ... ? |
| 08:40.21 | noritr | x|e be carefull - why are you rebooting when you only want to test password changing? |
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| 08:40.45 | mario_gomez | I've searched the /etc/apt/apt.conf to enter a proxy. |
| 08:41.01 | mario_gomez | But I got just a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d Directory :( |
| 08:41.10 | x|e | well ive had this problem for several days now, ive been trying to resolve it, and had major bad storms so i shut my pc down during those times |
| 08:41.55 | noritr | did you do the changes with the shadow? |
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| 08:43.09 | NetNiet | Hi, I'm still trying to put the netinstall iso on my 2G usb stick .. all gioes wrong |
| 08:44.14 | NetNiet | 1th i maak a partition on the stick and then i zcat the boot.img.gz to that partition |
| 08:44.30 | NetNiet | Then My pation table if a mess !! |
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| 08:45.22 | liable | are you dd'ing it to the device, or to a partition on the device? |
| 08:45.34 | liable | what instructions are you following? |
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| 08:47.16 | NetNiet | Sorry i have seen many instruction and are a bit confused |
| 08:47.55 | Bushmills | NetNiet: you probably dd to device instead of partition, theryby overwriting the partition table |
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| 08:48.18 | liable | it should have a partition table in it |
| 08:48.25 | NetNiet | I stared whit this http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebas/weblog/1 |
| 08:48.33 | liable | the install guide says to dd directly to it too |
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| 08:48.52 | liable | NetNiet: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 08:49.30 | Bushmills | yes. boot image starts with own bootcode, must be. that's ok, but there aren't any partition on the device then, and no partition table. |
| 08:50.13 | liable | read that link. it creates a fat partition on the whole device |
| 08:51.02 | optraz | is there a file that store the module/mac address against eth0/eth1 ? |
| 08:51.03 | Bushmills | but ... it says sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt .. it mounts device, not a partition on it |
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| 08:51.28 | NetNiet | Can it be that the instruction writing to /dev/sda is making a USB-CDROM and writing to /dev/sda1 is making a USB-HDD ? |
| 08:51.34 | liable | well, its still technically a partition i spose |
| 08:51.54 | loop_ | why on my debian etch if I would use gparted I can't select fat32 filesystem and more? How I install for use this kinds of filesystem? Anyone can help me? |
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| 08:52.09 | liable | NetNiet: nope, just follow what that page says in the first bit "the easy way" |
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| 08:52.46 | NetNiet | I al ready did the debian-admin instructions ... i will nw try your link liable |
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| 08:54.48 | Bushmills | liable: i suppose it is how you call it.. and without wanting to split hair .. partitioning a device is to split it into partitions. if you use the whole device, it is not split, and ergo there are no partitions. supported by the fact that there is no partition table. |
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| 08:55.23 | kripz | im having trouble adding a line into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:55.29 | kripz | it says error on this line: deb ftp.netspace.net.au /pub/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 08:55.30 | sauvin | loop_, I don't remember gparted, but I think most partition editors won't format the partitions you create. You have to use mkfs.$something on them. |
| 08:56.02 | sauvin | kripz, i don't think you want space between .au and /pub |
| 08:56.23 | loop_ | sauvin: I use fdisk for format, but I must help my friends |
| 08:56.25 | Bushmills | loop_: as root, type mkfs, and then, without <enter>, tab key twice. |
| 08:56.46 | sauvin | You format with fdisk? I don't. |
| 08:56.48 | Bushmills | loop_: shows you what file systems you can create |
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| 08:57.07 | liable | Bushmills: yeah, its a tricky call i guess. |
| 08:57.08 | Bushmills | creating a file system is what is called "formatting" on some other systems |
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| 08:58.10 | sauvin | The only time I remember any partition editor ever concerning itself with filesystem types is when selecting an ID byte for said partition. |
| 08:58.25 | loop_ | I set partition with fdisk and format with mkfs but this time I need a solution for gparted |
| 08:58.33 | sauvin | I've had ext3 filesystems on partitions ID'd as NTFS before because I didn't edit that byte. |
| 08:58.50 | loop_ | with ubuntu gparted format with all filesystem |
| 08:59.09 | loop_ | on debian there is only ext3 ext2 e swap |
| 08:59.16 | loop_ | *and |
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| 09:00.05 | sauvin | There's more than that, I promise you. |
| 09:00.05 | EoN | So - with apache, what's the difference between /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and /etc/apache2/mods-available ?! |
| 09:00.07 | Bushmills | loop_: you probably need to install mkfs for fat32 |
| 09:00.15 | EoN | i see a module in available that i want to be active |
| 09:00.22 | EoN | deflate.load and deflate.conf |
| 09:01.11 | Bushmills | EoN: man a2enmod |
| 09:01.35 | loop_ | Bushmills: |
| 09:01.46 | loop_ | how I install mkfs for fat32? |
| 09:02.03 | EoN | Bushmills: thanks!! |
| 09:02.23 | Bushmills | loop_: i reckon it is in dosfstools, better look for it. apt-file, or on http://packages.debian.org |
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| 09:02.50 | _2_ | Hi. I have an amd64 Debian etch. |
| 09:02.56 | _2_ | Can i install flash player? |
| 09:02.57 | sauvin | loop_, do an ls /sbin/mkfs* |
| 09:03.11 | loop_ | ok |
| 09:03.16 | sauvin | _2_, last I'd heard, flash player support under 64-bit linux is nonexistent atm. |
| 09:03.31 | loop_ | /sbin/mkfs/sbin/mkfs.cramfs /sbin/mkfs.ext3 |
| 09:03.31 | loop_ | /sbin/mkfs.bfs/sbin/mkfs.ext2 /sbin/mkfs.minix |
| 09:03.39 | loop_ | there is only that |
| 09:03.42 | sauvin | blinks |
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| 09:03.48 | sauvin | You have minx but not fat? |
| 09:04.03 | sauvin | loop_, what distro are you using, exactly? |
| 09:04.09 | loop_ | debian etch |
| 09:04.48 | sauvin | I think you need to get busy with your repositories and download some modules. |
| 09:04.48 | EoN | Bushmills: it says: Module deflate installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable. |
| 09:04.48 | EoN | won't an apache2ctl restart do it? |
| 09:04.48 | Bushmills | EoN: that's nice |
| 09:05.06 | Bushmills | EoN: restart would do but is a much bigger hammer than reload |
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| 09:05.12 | loop_ | sauvin: I have official repository |
| 09:05.21 | loop_ | if you want I paste it |
| 09:05.30 | EoN | Bushmills: ok cool. thanks for your help |
| 09:05.33 | sauvin | Don't bother, I can find it myself :D |
| 09:05.34 | Bushmills | np |
| 09:06.04 | x|e | :/ isnt working |
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| 09:06.44 | loop_ | :P |
| 09:07.21 | NetNiet | Now on boot i get a MBR 123FA: messages and a hang |
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| 09:08.40 | sauvin | GAH, I'm not going to be any fun looking for alternative filesystem support while I'm on ubuntu, and I'm about to shut all my computers down to go to bed :\ |
| 09:08.49 | kripz | i cant ping www.google.com, i can my router, gateway in /etc/network/interfaces is set to my router ip |
| 09:09.03 | sauvin | anybody want to tell loop_ how to install vfat support? |
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| 09:09.50 | sauvin | hey, loop_: try apt-get install dosfstools |
| 09:09.54 | loop_ | now I try to install dosfstools |
| 09:09.55 | slxix | kripz: does "ip route" look right? |
| 09:09.58 | loop_ | yes |
| 09:10.00 | loop_ | :D |
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| 09:10.38 | kripz | slxix what is ip route? |
| 09:11.10 | loop_ | Yeah now it work also filesystem fat |
| 09:11.17 | loop_ | tnx a lot at all |
| 09:11.18 | loop_ | :D |
| 09:11.24 | sauvin | Glad I could help. |
| 09:11.41 | slxix | kripz: from the ip man page, it says, "routing table entry". so it displays your routing table. |
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| 09:12.25 | mario_gomez | where to put in proxy config for eth0? |
| 09:12.31 | kripz | ip, ip route, iproute, no command |
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| 09:12.51 | x|e | noritr: conclusion, libpam-unix2 in unstable is broken :))... ive downloaded and installed that same package from testing and it works fine |
| 09:13.11 | slxix | ok. just try 'route' then. please use a pastebin if you use more than one line. |
| 09:13.12 | x|e | sorry for the time ive taken but it was much appreciated |
| 09:14.12 | kripz | slxix, not sure how to read this: http://pastebin.com/mb5a8dc2 |
| 09:15.41 | slxix | kripz: try to ping 72.14.207.99 (it's one of googles ip addresses, you can verify if you want.) |
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| 09:16.11 | DNC_005 | Hi all |
| 09:16.21 | DNC_005 | i want to transfer files from computer A to B |
| 09:16.24 | DNC_005 | through the LAN |
| 09:16.29 | DNC_005 | big files and i don't have any dvds |
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| 09:17.27 | kripz_ | hope nobody sent me any messages, i got dc'ed |
| 09:17.50 | slxix | kripz_: try to ping 72.14.207.99 (it's one of googles ip addresses, you can verify if you want.) |
| 09:18.26 | kripz_ | yep works |
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| 09:18.28 | DNC_005 | omg wtf |
| 09:18.52 | kripz_ | slxix, it worked |
| 09:18.55 | DNC_005 | my 16GB flash stick JUST arrived, it got put through the door as i was typing, spooky |
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| 09:19.13 | slxix | kripz_: sounds like a dns problem then? would you agree? |
| 09:19.32 | kripz_ | slxix, yeah but im not sure what to do, the internet is working fine on all other computers |
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| 09:20.25 | slxix | how do you set up the computers on your LAN? static ip's, dhcp, .. ? |
| 09:20.50 | kripz_ | combination of static/dhcp |
| 09:21.03 | kripz_ | my debian setup is using static ip |
| 09:21.06 | DNC_005 | i seem to be unlocking my latent psychic abilities |
| 09:21.32 | slxix | DNC_005: you should will me some cool stuff, too, please. :) |
| 09:21.39 | ArtVandalae | Hi where can I find more info regarding the SSL problem Debian encountered a month or two ago? Did it effect Etch? |
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| 09:22.21 | SlayerXP | ArtVandalae: if only there were some service where you could enter keywords and it'd return links to content relevant to the keywords |
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| 09:22.35 | ArtVandalae | SlayerXP, >:D |
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| 09:23.03 | slxix | kripz_: use your preffered text editor, and add your nameserver to /etc/resolve.conf. "nameserver 192.168.0.1" or "nameserver what.your.isp.gaveyou" |
| 09:23.15 | SlayerXP | also |
| 09:23.16 | ArtVandalae | I've tried google, I think it might be because I'm using the wrong keywords. "exploit" isn't the right word, is it? |
| 09:23.21 | SlayerXP | !topicsmite ArtVandalae |
| 09:23.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ArtVandalae. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 09:24.35 | DNC_005 | gives slxix the amazing power of hindsight |
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| 09:26.01 | ArtVandalae | SlayerXP, alright thanks. i feel slightly ashamed of that |
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| 09:27.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | and no, exploit isnt the right word |
| 09:28.18 | kripz_ | slxix, adding the nameserver did the trick, thanks |
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| 09:28.46 | rm_you | How would I set my a2dp alsa device as the default device for everything that uses alsa? something in the asoundrc, right? |
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| 09:30.06 | slxix | kripz_: no problem. those easy ones are my favorite ;) |
| 09:30.38 | slxix | look into dhcp for debian. it isn't very difficult. |
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| 09:33.39 | rm_you | sorry, just got disconnected so I dunno if anyone answered my question >_> |
| 09:33.40 | rm_you | How would I set my a2dp alsa device as the default device for everything that uses alsa? something in the asoundrc, right? |
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| 09:34.32 | slxix | rm_you: like http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 ? |
| 09:34.55 | olspookishmagus | when will lenny freeze? |
| 09:35.29 | rm_you | slxix, well, something... but i can't tell what device a2dp is.... |
| 09:35.55 | macoute | olspookishmagus: july iirc |
| 09:35.57 | rm_you | /proc/asound/cards doesnt list it, cause it is some wierd bluez thing, not technically a sound card, i think? |
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| 09:36.58 | olspookishmagus | is there a chance that FF3 will be in the frozen lenny; |
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| 09:37.41 | macoute | olspookishmagus: no, there is not as firefox is not in debian |
| 09:37.47 | slxix | rm_you: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothAlsa ? |
| 09:37.51 | macoute | iceweasel might show up, dont know |
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| 09:39.42 | slxix | olspookishmagus: i'm sure it'll get eventually get backported :) |
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| 09:39.49 | rm_you | slxix, yes |
| 09:39.54 | slxix | s/get // |
| 09:39.59 | rm_you | slxix, i have it working, just trying to make it default |
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| 09:40.16 | rm_you | ah, the first link you provided does have what i need, just at the very bottom |
| 09:40.18 | rm_you | thanks |
| 09:40.22 | amolv | hi all |
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| 09:42.06 | slxix | rm_you: ok. good, because i wasn't sure what to do next. :) |
| 09:42.58 | rm_you | lol |
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| 09:43.24 | rm_you | yeah, found the bit about setting a non-hardware device as the default (like the a2dpd one I just defined) :P |
| 09:43.46 | rotzbouw | where can you see the encoding of a particular file? |
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| 09:44.49 | slxix | rotzbouw: what do you mean? run the command "file filename"? |
| 09:45.20 | rotzbouw | does this output the charset? |
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| 09:45.45 | slxix | it may. can you try? |
| 09:46.12 | rotzbouw | i did. :> |
| 09:46.50 | slxix | does that smile mean you're satisfied with the result? |
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| 09:47.32 | rotzbouw | nope, unfortunately not. |
| 09:47.52 | rotzbouw | file only tells me what filetype it is |
| 09:47.59 | slxix | could you give me an example? |
| 09:48.13 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, I have a debian box which 5 users share, all have root access, a specific folder had its permission changed yesterday, I noticed and asked around, no one seemed to know, but it has been automagically fixed now, without any explaination, how do I find out who did it, i am pretty certain it is one of the guys who had root access. Everyone gets on the box via SSH. any suggestions ? |
| 09:48.25 | rotzbouw | 04 La bohème.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4, MP3 encoding |
| 09:48.31 | SlayerXP | ghatak_mobile: don't allow root logons |
| 09:48.38 | rotzbouw | and I don't see an option for codepage |
| 09:49.04 | petemc | ghatak_mobile: unless you have something in place to log what every one does, which debian doesnt have by default, you have no means of knowing |
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| 09:49.38 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: consider a box with shell access as potentially compromised |
| 09:49.42 | ghatak_mobile | petemc: hmmm.. i have auth logs, apart from that can't think of anything else |
| 09:50.00 | slxix | debian logs sudo commands by default. (not sure about shells, but individual commands, yes) |
| 09:50.05 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: when there are users with root account, no need even to compromise |
| 09:50.06 | acemi | ghatak_mobile: use last to see login history |
| 09:50.06 | petemc | thats because there is nothing else, unless you set up some form of accounting previously |
| 09:50.09 | ghatak_mobile | Bushmills: it is not accessible via internet, you have to be on internal LAN to get on it |
| 09:50.33 | slxix | rotzbouw: are you just looking for detailed encoding information on mp3 files? |
| 09:50.55 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: so, no problem then. why would you want to find out then who did that? |
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| 09:52.02 | ghatak_mobile | Bushmills: because no one is taking responsibility, I want to find out who did it and fixed it afterwards |
| 09:52.26 | slxix | ghatak_mobile: do you know when the files changed? |
| 09:52.37 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: who has root privs, can hide any trace |
| 09:52.48 | mario_gomez1 | where should i type in the rpoxy for network device eth0? |
| 09:53.23 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: unless you log to a write-once device, or a remote device configured to allow adding of logs only |
| 09:53.44 | Bushmills | or ... kernel capabilities removed, and set log file to append only |
| 09:54.00 | gentlyninja | i am using xfce and wanna install Banshee music player, which is a gnome-app with mono dependencies. aptitude says to install this app i need around 200 mb of additional apps. my question: do i need to install all? |
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| 09:54.17 | slxix | Bushmills: Back in the BBS days, we'd just print out log files. ;) |
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| 09:54.48 | Bushmills | slxix: if not physically accessable, it could be considereda write-once device |
| 09:54.54 | academy | I have two servers, each with transit from two companies and I want to create a full mesh vpn network between them, giving me 4 tunnels. Could I then bond all 4 tunnels to give me one virtual link? If a tunnel drops, would it revert to using 3? |
| 09:55.16 | Bushmills | if accessable, it can also be deleted |
| 09:55.41 | Bushmills | slxix: i was running RA then :) |
| 09:56.35 | ghatak_mobile | Is there anyway to check when the permissions were changed ? |
| 09:56.41 | ghatak_mobile | does Linux record this at all ? |
| 09:57.05 | hoxu | ghatak_mobile, you are too late to the scene if you didn't check the modified date after you noticed the change |
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| 09:57.27 | ghatak_mobile | hoxu: Ah so mod time is the only way |
| 09:57.31 | hoxu | ghatak_mobile, of course, you can just check when the permissions were fixed, and see the auth log |
| 09:57.31 | Bushmills | ghatak_mobile: not by itself. shells log command history but that's easily circumvented if one wants to |
| 09:57.58 | ghatak_mobile | Bushmills: true, since it is shared among 5 ppl, the history file will be overwritten |
| 09:57.59 | slxix | ghatak_mobile: try reading articles like http://www.linux.com/articles/41179 to give you ideas. |
| 09:58.13 | orveldv | ghatak_mobile: I assume grsec can; not sure though |
| 09:58.35 | slxix | ghatak_mobile: and change your policy's !! |
| 09:59.23 | ghatak_mobile | slxix: yes absolutely, lesson learnt here |
| 09:59.33 | dustybin | how much throughput in mbps does a average home network use? |
| 09:59.49 | macoute | not much |
| 09:59.58 | dustybin | 15? |
| 10:00.02 | macoute | at peaks all you can give, most of the time nothing :) |
| 10:00.03 | amolv | how csm I test tasksel that i modified |
| 10:00.11 | hoxu | ghatak_mobile, limiting root access to stricly trusted people is always a good idea... |
| 10:00.47 | macoute | dustybin: May '08 240.92 MB | 5136 MB | 5377 MB |
| 10:01.02 | Bushmills | dustybin: on a 100 mbit net, it will be between 0 and 10 megabytes per second. |
| 10:01.15 | slxix | and sudo has a wealth of options to get you in trouble..err..i mean, to limit root access. |
| 10:01.22 | dustybin | Bushmills: is that all? |
| 10:01.35 | slxix | mean. :) |
| 10:01.35 | dustybin | Bushmills: http://www.pfsense.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=49 |
| 10:01.41 | Bushmills | dustybin: but can be more. depends on your switches, number of machines, and what they talk to each other |
| 10:01.41 | macoute | that is my home network usage with a fileserver, bind, dhcpd and some other services running for a month |
| 10:01.41 | rotzbouw | slxix, i'm looking for the encoding in the filename, first of all. later maybe in the file itself |
| 10:01.46 | petemc | dustybin: how do you expect any answer you get here to be useful? |
| 10:01.59 | blairsooley | 100Mbit = 12.5MB/s |
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| 10:02.30 | dustybin | macoute: what tool did you use to show you that information? |
| 10:02.37 | macoute | dustybin: vnstat |
| 10:02.42 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 10:02.45 | macoute | its a nice tool |
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| 10:02.55 | dustybin | installs |
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| 10:03.08 | Bushmills | petemc: do you mean to suggest that my reply wasn't useful :) |
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| 10:03.39 | petemc | your reply was fine, the question, on the other hand... |
| 10:03.41 | petemc | :) |
| 10:03.51 | Bushmills | dustybin: "how big is a slice of an apple?" |
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| 10:06.05 | dustybin | Bushmills: i did mention 'average' ! |
| 10:06.21 | dustybin | vnstat is a bloody nice tool :-) |
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| 10:07.10 | macoute | i just discovered a php-tool for it too |
| 10:07.17 | macoute | php-plugin |
| 10:08.24 | slxix | rotzbouw: like running "mpg123 -n 0 filename.mp3" ? :) |
| 10:08.50 | slxix | well, -n 1, rather. |
| 10:09.11 | slxix | i give up. i'm don't know. :) |
| 10:09.45 | dustybin | macoute: another nice tool is iptraf |
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| 10:09.57 | dustybin | that uses a ncurses interface i think |
| 10:10.04 | tarantella | !list |
| 10:10.05 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tarantella |
| 10:10.10 | hoxu | iftop is neat too |
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| 10:10.21 | dustybin | installs |
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| 10:11.30 | die7 | who have a workaround for ipw2100 and fatal error interrupt ? |
| 10:11.33 | hoxu | for longer time statistics I use serverstats, cacti always seemed too massive... open to suggestions though :p |
| 10:11.48 | SlayerXP | hoxu: munin |
| 10:12.40 | DNC_005 | Hi all |
| 10:12.47 | DNC_005 | is it possible to get ext3 to scan for badblocks? |
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| 10:13.40 | hoxu | SlayerXP, I've had a look at it, just can't remember why I haven't tested it out |
| 10:14.02 | dustybin | if one runs a server a good set of stat tools is essential IMO |
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| 10:14.42 | slxix | !wtf badblocks |
| 10:14.44 | dpkg | badblocks: badblocks (8) - search a device for bad blocks |
| 10:15.26 | dustybin | !wtf iftop |
| 10:15.28 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what iftop means... |
| 10:15.44 | slxix | DNC_005: read the badblocks manpage it has *important* information. |
| 10:15.57 | DNC_005 | thanks |
| 10:17.45 | Bushmills | a lighter web based traffic amount monitor is darkstats |
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| 10:18.30 | Bushmills | hoxu: i like munin |
| 10:19.03 | Bushmills | hoxu: just thinking of adding a plugin to munin which reads from vnstat |
| 10:19.07 | slxix | DNC_005: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html seems more appropriate to your situation. :) |
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| 10:21.16 | DNC_005 | but its a usb pen drive, it doesn't support smart |
| 10:21.57 | slxix | errr... |
| 10:22.46 | Bushmills | DNC_005: journalling file systems which are designed for hard disks are usually not a great idea for flash ram. |
| 10:22.49 | slxix | forget everything i've told you. |
| 10:23.21 | acemi | firefox download counter: http://downloadcounter.sj.mozilla.com/ |
| 10:23.51 | Bushmills | DNC_005: such file systems exist for flash, but if you want to use a disk targetted one, i think you may be better off with ext2 |
| 10:25.31 | DawnLight | how can i run firefox 3 in etch? it requires gtk+ 2.10... can i compile it with the etch gtk+? or what? |
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| 10:26.07 | DNC_005 | is there no static build of firefox3? |
| 10:26.12 | DNC_005 | opera has a static qt build |
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| 10:26.16 | wols | no |
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| 10:26.36 | kripz_ | i copied all my files using root, now i cant access them on my other user, how can i fix this? |
| 10:26.42 | wols | opera is shitty proprietary software designed to run on every distro. of course it's static |
| 10:26.43 | DawnLight | they don't release a static build for linux? i'm sure the windows version is a static one |
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| 10:26.56 | slxix | DNC_005: Your flash drive does not work like a hard drive. If you treat it like one, it won't last you very long. |
| 10:26.58 | wols | kripz_: chmod or chown them (as root) |
| 10:27.07 | wols | DawnLight: you are wrong |
| 10:27.18 | DawnLight | of course i am |
| 10:27.41 | DawnLight | of what? wols |
| 10:27.45 | wols | and mozilla might release a static build but debian does not. |
| 10:27.52 | wols | of the windows one being static |
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| 10:28.10 | DawnLight | the windows one isn't gtk+ at all, perhaps? |
| 10:28.21 | wols | that too |
| 10:28.28 | DawnLight | ah, alright |
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| 10:38.17 | LaicepS | Hello everyone ! Is there a too to know which codec is needed to read a file ? |
| 10:38.35 | LaicepS | -too+tool |
| 10:38.44 | die7 | wich file? |
| 10:39.08 | LaicepS | an video fiel |
| 10:39.28 | die7 | wich video file? |
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| 10:39.45 | g00se | LaicepS: try myplayer - it can read most |
| 10:39.47 | LaicepS | something .avi |
| 10:39.58 | masus | anyone know how to check the version from an application with aptitude? Thanks |
| 10:39.58 | Gryfelhas | try cls, it can read most |
| 10:40.03 | LaicepS | well, it didn't make it this time |
| 10:40.05 | Gryfelhas | vlc |
| 10:40.09 | Gryfelhas | -cls |
| 10:40.16 | LaicepS | neither vlc |
| 10:40.27 | die7 | install win32 codec pack dude |
| 10:40.46 | g00se | masus: aptitude works on packages, not apps |
| 10:40.52 | LaicepS | i can't i'm on a 64 bit distro |
| 10:41.07 | masus | sorry packages |
| 10:41.21 | masus | the same question for packages :) |
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| 10:43.12 | g00se | masus: aptitude show <packagename> |
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| 10:44.30 | masus | g00se: :thank u |
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| 10:45.02 | yangvnc | When is firefox 3 planned to enter sid? |
| 10:45.03 | dalurka | LaicepS: install win64 codecs then |
| 10:45.16 | dalurka | LaicepS: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/w64codecs.php |
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| 10:48.39 | g00se | Anything that can take input as pcm and output ogg? |
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| 10:48.55 | tarzeau | g00se: oggenc ? |
| 10:49.04 | tarzeau | g00se: sox can make wav from pcm |
| 10:49.23 | g00se | tarzeau: Thanks |
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| 10:50.29 | Bushmills | i wonder when the first linux port to a GPU will be done. |
| 10:50.31 | DVS01 | hi |
| 10:50.33 | DVS01 | im setting up a user who should only be able to log in and either use sftp or rsync.. should i go with rssh to implement this, or scponly? |
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| 10:51.24 | Bushmills | using the PC as power supply, and key/mouse/disk subsystem. |
| 10:51.30 | ktne | hello |
| 10:51.50 | ktne | what is the defined behaviour in linux when one tries to overwrite a shared library that is in use?> |
| 10:51.59 | tarzeau | ktne: just overwrite it? |
| 10:52.14 | ktne | tarzeau: what happens to the already executing code? |
| 10:52.19 | tarzeau | ktne: it's in the memory |
| 10:52.37 | tarzeau | ktne: running software run, new software probably uses the new library, not sure |
| 10:52.49 | ktne | if another process starts that uses the new library, will two versions exist at the same time? |
| 10:52.53 | ktne | hmm |
| 10:52.54 | ktne | i see |
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| 10:57.49 | g00se | What does "default rules" mean as in "Packages kept by default rules do not rely on <packagename>" (debfoster)? |
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| 11:08.05 | tette1 | i have problems with my sound, namely i can't get any (: what should i do? |
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| 11:09.02 | wols | !tell tette1 about alsa checklist |
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| 11:10.30 | TiMiDo | damn nvidia |
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| 11:20.00 | gentlyninja | i wanna install just banshee but aptitude says i need to install whole GNOME. is there a workaround? i dont want totem gnomepanel etc. just for banshee |
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| 11:20.42 | Bushmills | gentlyninja: apt-cache depends banshee |
| 11:20.52 | DVS01 | afaik it only installs gnome libraries, just enough to get the gui working |
| 11:22.28 | gentlyninja | i installed gimp so i must have gnome stuff on my machine DVS01 |
| 11:22.53 | gentlyninja | Bushmills, but when i type aptitude install banshee there is a huge list of packages to be installed |
| 11:23.17 | kripz_ | how do i found out the apache user? |
| 11:23.20 | Bushmills | gentlyninja: aptitude proably wants to install recommends too (and recommends of recommends) |
| 11:23.58 | gentlyninja | can i deactivate that? |
| 11:24.00 | stew | kripz_: for apache or apache2? |
| 11:24.09 | Bushmills | gentlyninja: yes |
| 11:24.23 | sarefo_work | hi, i'm having trouble with i18n on php, and i think the reason is that my lenny has almost no locales installed. any idea how i can add the ones i need? |
| 11:24.52 | jelly | !tell sarefo_work -about locales |
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| 11:25.19 | kripz_ | stew, apache2 |
| 11:25.25 | stew | kripz_: cat /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 11:25.29 | DVS01 | im setting up a user who should only be able to log in and either use sftp or rsync.. should i go with rssh to implement this, or scponly? ive been googling this, but havent found much on actual reviews/comparisons |
| 11:26.06 | sarefo_work | jelly: !tell doesn''t seem to work? |
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| 11:26.15 | kripz_ | stew the file doesnt contain anything, just comments |
| 11:26.22 | jelly | sarefo_work: you didn't get a private msg from dpkg? |
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| 11:27.12 | sarefo_work | jelly: no |
| 11:27.21 | jelly | !locales |
| 11:27.21 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 11:27.23 | gentlyninja | ah ok found the setting |
| 11:28.00 | stew | kripz_: then try "grep User /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" |
| 11:28.51 | kripz_ | stew, looks like www-data |
| 11:29.00 | kripz_ | stew, User www-data |
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| 11:31.20 | simNIX | DVS01: I use ssh2 to hold users contained chroot'ed through ssh2 in there home dir -> http://www.ssh.com/ |
| 11:32.49 | kripz_ | Im trying to install torrentflux, one program it is looking for is VLC, if i do apt-get install vlc, will it try install a desktop etc? |
| 11:32.55 | kripz_ | i think its only needed to stream |
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| 11:33.31 | Bushmills | kripz_: afaik, torrentflux needs a web server, not vlc |
| 11:34.01 | DVS01 | simNIX: i'd do that too, but i want to go further and disallow shell access, unless the shell only permits sftp usage |
| 11:34.08 | Bushmills | kripz_: and i found mldonkey (which can download from torrents too) to work better |
| 11:34.12 | kripz_ | Bushmills, yes but one feature is to stream using vlc |
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| 11:34.20 | kripz_ | via the website |
| 11:34.37 | Bushmills | kripz_: i see |
| 11:35.01 | kripz_ | dw, doesnt look like its going to install anything crazy |
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| 11:35.08 | kripz_ | it lists the packages to install before doing os |
| 11:35.17 | Bushmills | vlc server shouldn't install desktop. maybe it installs a small wm, like twm |
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| 11:36.25 | simNIX | DVS01; may users that conect this way have /usr/sbin/nologin set as "shell" |
| 11:36.32 | simNIX | my |
| 11:37.37 | DVS01 | simNIX: they wouldnt be able to use sftp then though, would they? |
| 11:37.39 | Bushmills | thinks about giving guest vms instead of root jails to ssh users |
| 11:38.19 | samantha-- | in mc, i can search for a filespec and then panelize the results. is there such a tool in kde? |
| 11:38.19 | sarefo_work | thx jelly, that worked. |
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| 11:38.45 | simNIX | Yes there able to sftp |
| 11:38.57 | sarefo_work | but didn't really help me, although i have de_DE.UTF8 now, php won't recognize it. i'll have to check the web/bug the php guys some more :) |
| 11:39.16 | jelly | sarefo_work: "de_DE.UTF-8" |
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| 11:40.02 | jelly | sarefo_work: restart your web server if you're using mod_php |
| 11:41.16 | sarefo_work | jelly: ah, that's probably the problem :) damn, i had the same problem with some other config change earlier... some people never learn ;) thx |
| 11:41.56 | simNIX | DVS01: in sshd2 config ive set ChRootUsers and then trere names - works like a charm |
| 11:42.07 | simNIX | *there |
| 11:42.12 | jelly | sarefo_work: yeah, that was just a general suggestion. I've no idea whether it'll help for this issue. |
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| 11:42.59 | DVS01 | ah |
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| 11:43.36 | simNIX | DVS01; you can also set AllowUsers, AllowGroups and AllowHosts (ip list) to further restrickt |
| 11:43.55 | DVS01 | simNIX: yup, doing that too |
| 11:44.24 | Bushmills | DVS01: ssh server on LAN or in internet? |
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| 11:45.21 | DVS01 | the server itself isnt publically facing, except for one of its ports that sshd is listening to |
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| 11:45.55 | Bushmills | DVS01: then consider to install a brute force blocker like denyhosts, if you don't disable passwords entirely |
| 11:46.07 | Bushmills | oh |
| 11:46.07 | DVS01 | hrm i'll check out denyhosts |
| 11:46.14 | Bushmills | "isn't" .. i read that as "is: |
| 11:46.17 | Bracki | How can I automatically install packages per apt-get w/o user interaction, i.e. provide answer files to possible dialogs? |
| 11:46.27 | Skratz0r | What can I open jpeg-2000 files with? |
| 11:46.30 | DVS01 | oh |
| 11:46.40 | slxix | "read" .. i read that as "read" ;) |
| 11:46.55 | DVS01 | heh |
| 11:47.03 | Skratz0r | What can I open jpeg-2000 files with? <----------! :-( |
| 11:47.22 | simNIX | if you have strong login / password and resticted acces to a few know ips I dont mind seing script kiddies try simple logins |
| 11:47.32 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: hrm.. tried googling? |
| 11:47.35 | Florentino | hello everyone. I need to install about 50+ programs in Debian and I was wondering if there is a method which is faster than just installing one by one |
| 11:47.40 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: i suggest to paste your question 5 times in a row, so you an be sure that somebody has seen it |
| 11:47.48 | defrysk | gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
| 11:47.50 | Skratz0r | DVS01; Oh; no, i forgot to do that. >_> Of course I googled.. |
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| 11:48.00 | slxix | Florentino: how are you installing them now? |
| 11:48.00 | stew | Florentino: you have a list of the packages? |
| 11:48.03 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; It was twice. |
| 11:48.22 | Florentino | aptitute install. yea I have a list |
| 11:48.24 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: that's wasn't enough, evidently |
| 11:48.24 | Skratz0r | defrysk; I have it. |
| 11:48.26 | stew | Florentino: xargs aptitude install < /file/containing/list/of/packages |
| 11:48.41 | stew | Florentino: or just 'aptitude install package1 package2 package3...' |
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| 11:49.02 | Florentino | oh ok cool! |
| 11:49.23 | simNIX | also setting sftp server at a port other then 22 counters most nosy script kiddies |
| 11:49.36 | Florentino | so it will install it in the order that I list them? |
| 11:49.41 | Skratz0r | How would I use ffmpeg? ffmpeg [inputfile] --what option ? |
| 11:49.48 | stew | Florentino: no, it installs them at the same time |
| 11:49.55 | DVS01 | simNIX: doing that too |
| 11:50.03 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: option -h is a good one |
| 11:50.14 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; thats a thousand lines of text |
| 11:50.19 | stew | Florentino: (except when something has to be installed first becuase of a Pre-Depends relationship) |
| 11:50.25 | Florentino | so I have to make sure that there is no dependencies between this programs |
| 11:50.26 | Florentino | oh ok |
| 11:50.30 | Florentino | got it |
| 11:50.31 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: | less |
| 11:50.48 | Florentino | thank you stew! |
| 11:51.23 | Bushmills | only 517 lines here |
| 11:51.29 | defrysk | Skratz0r, exifprobe seems to be able to handle those tiles |
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| 11:51.46 | defrysk | Skratz0r, apt-cache search JPEG 2000 |
| 11:52.01 | Skratz0r | Done it before. |
| 11:52.44 | Skratz0r | What can i use to open the flipping files? |
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| 11:53.13 | DVS01 | Skratz0r, have you checked out jasper? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JasPer |
| 11:53.25 | DVS01 | if you really are stumped and cant find anything native, try wine+irfanview |
| 11:53.26 | bbinotto | how can I untar an archove to a specified directory? |
| 11:54.14 | mimcpher | bbinotto, tar has an option -C /some/directory |
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| 11:54.33 | bbinotto | mimcpher: thank you |
| 11:54.55 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: let me know if you have any luck with that |
| 11:55.04 | Skratz0r | Ah; imagemagick can open them |
| 11:55.18 | Bushmills | DVS01: couldn't they tell you in ubuntu how to lock your ubuntu box? |
| 11:55.21 | Skratz0r | Thanks for the jasper link... i didn't know what programs actually used libjasper. :P |
| 11:55.37 | DVS01 | Bushmills: thats not the issue.. |
| 11:55.37 | mimcpher | bbinotto, the directory has to exist first (if you expected it to create it) |
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| 11:56.32 | Bushmills | i don't know about "issue". i only know about a question i had to you |
| 11:56.40 | DVS01 | hrm.. |
| 11:56.47 | DVS01 | yeah they probably could.. why do you ask? |
| 11:57.03 | Bushmills | to get an idea of level of expertise there |
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| 11:57.42 | DVS01 | theyre pretty helpful when i asked questions in there.. seems to have alot of newbie traffic, but its tolerated and handled well |
| 11:58.08 | Skratz0r | ;_; |
| 11:58.10 | Skratz0r | wont work. |
| 11:58.15 | Skratz0r | Hm |
| 11:58.31 | DVS01 | what did you try? |
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| 11:59.56 | Skratz0r | imageMagick |
| 11:59.58 | Skratz0r | and gimp |
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| 12:00.58 | DVS01 | have you looked at jasper? |
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| 12:02.08 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: if you are in a hurry and dont mind, you can try running irfanview from within wine.. www.irfanview.com ..its a popular image app for windows, supports jpeg2000 |
| 12:02.25 | Skratz0r | I use PPC. |
| 12:02.38 | Skratz0r | But thanks for the help |
| 12:02.43 | slxix | i sense a disturbance in the force. :) |
| 12:02.47 | Skratz0r | Yes; i've looked at jasper.. All i see is libraries |
| 12:03.13 | SamuraiDio | what package does provude gnome-font-viewer? |
| 12:04.04 | wols | !tell SamuraiDio about search |
| 12:04.08 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: apt-file search gnome-font-viewer |
| 12:04.16 | stew | Skratz0r: did you try 'apt-cache search jpeg-2000'? |
| 12:04.30 | Skratz0r | ... |
| 12:04.55 | DVS01 | libjasper-runtime - Programs for manipulating JPEG-2000 files |
| 12:05.08 | stew | Skratz0r: if you did, you would have found libjasper-runtime ^^^ |
| 12:05.16 | Skratz0r | Indeed |
| 12:05.19 | Skratz0r | And i installed it |
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| 12:05.27 | Skratz0r | But little do i know what is inside it |
| 12:05.33 | Skratz0r | What are the dammed program names? ;_; |
| 12:05.37 | mooper | can I append a file to a file via ssh |
| 12:05.38 | kripz_ | how do i add multiple users to a folder? |
| 12:05.40 | stew | Skratz0r: dpkg -L packagenmae |
| 12:05.52 | DVS01 | libjasper-runtime: usr/bin/jiv |
| 12:05.57 | DVS01 | might wanna try that one |
| 12:06.01 | Skratz0r | Ah. |
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| 12:06.22 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, the problem is that i don't know the binary name |
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| 12:06.44 | petemc | mooper: cat file1 >> file2 |
| 12:06.55 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: that's why i gave you that command example |
| 12:07.01 | DVS01 | mooper: echo 'something' | ssh user@host 'cat >> file' |
| 12:07.29 | mooper | ta |
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| 12:10.17 | DNC_005 | Hi all |
| 12:10.19 | alexdb | Skratz0r: krita depends on libjasper so it might open jpeg2000 but it's kdeoffice dependant to |
| 12:10.23 | DNC_005 | anything that flips left and right audio out in alsa? |
| 12:10.37 | Skratz0r | Sigh |
| 12:10.41 | Skratz0r | Nothing seems to be working |
| 12:10.43 | Skratz0r | Nevermind. |
| 12:10.47 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: you tried irfanview? |
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| 12:10.53 | Skratz0r | I |
| 12:10.54 | Skratz0r | Use |
| 12:10.54 | Skratz0r | PPC |
| 12:10.55 | DVS01 | give me this jpeg2000 file |
| 12:11.05 | Skratz0r | Look; it's not worth all this |
| 12:11.06 | DVS01 | oh |
| 12:11.11 | DVS01 | well why not? maybe i can get it working |
| 12:11.13 | kripz_ | which package contains all the dev toolsl ike g++ etc |
| 12:11.22 | themill | !b-e kripz_ |
| 12:11.22 | dpkg | kripz_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:11.27 | Skratz0r | Stupid outdated format anyway |
| 12:11.32 | DVS01 | kripz_: build-essential |
| 12:11.36 | kripz_ | thanks |
| 12:11.44 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: i can do you a favor and convert the file if you want |
| 12:12.02 | DNC_005 | and yes i know i can just swap the speaker positions or splice the wires but i need the speaker with the controls on the left and splicing wires is really a last resort |
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| 12:12.31 | alexdb | DVS01: maybe it's mom related ;) |
| 12:12.43 | DVS01 | heh |
| 12:12.45 | slxix | DNC_005: your chair is upside down. :) |
| 12:12.49 | stew | DNC_005: you should be able to do that with asoundrc |
| 12:14.01 | DNC_005 | thanks i'll read up on that |
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| 12:15.10 | DVS01 | you know Skratz0r, theres no point giving up if someone's offering to convert the file for you |
| 12:15.17 | DVS01 | unless its something private/classified/gf pr0n |
| 12:15.18 | DVS01 | etc |
| 12:15.28 | Skratz0r | The second one. ;-( |
| 12:15.30 | stew | DNC_005: i think using the 'bindings' keyword you should be able to map the channels of your physical device backwards (bind channel 0 of the pcm device to channel 1 of the hardware device) |
| 12:16.29 | DVS01 | Skratz0r: install the package libjasper-runtime, then use the jasper command |
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| 12:17.29 | DVS01 | jasper --input file.jp2 --input-format jp2 -output file.jpg --output-format jpg |
| 12:17.33 | DVS01 | bah. |
| 12:17.42 | DNC_005 | actually i might need to splice it ut2004 uses openal output |
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| 12:18.24 | DVS01 | oops... s/-output/--output/ |
| 12:18.28 | slxix | DNC_005: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#How_can_I_tell_ALSA_to_swap_the_left_and_right_stereo_channels_on_my_soundcard.3F :P~ |
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| 12:20.00 | die7 | i have problems with ipw2100 and can not found solution , can someone give suggestion |
| 12:20.41 | stew | die7: it would be easier to know what to suggest if you told what problems you were having |
| 12:21.01 | themill | die7: you'll need to describe what you've tried and what problems you are experiencing. Exact error messages are helpful. |
| 12:21.22 | die7 | i get fatal error interrupt |
| 12:22.04 | die7 | new firmware 1.3 and kernel 2.6.24-1 |
| 12:22.48 | wols | die7: pastebin the relevant dmesg output and the exact error |
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| 12:26.09 | SerajewelKS | semi-OT, but does anyone know how i could use ssh to open a tunnel to a running samba service and have windows connect to it? |
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| 12:27.21 | die7 | well i have just one fatal error interrupt sheluding firmware restart :) |
| 12:27.59 | wols | die7: that's nice but until you actually do what people asked of you you can't get any help here |
| 12:28.42 | die7 | wois: that's the error , i can pot the same error also to patebin if that will you make happy |
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| 12:30.20 | wols | die7: it's not the exact error. and poeple asked you more than the error only |
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| 12:30.33 | sidhartha | hello everybody |
| 12:30.41 | DNC_005 | Hi |
| 12:30.54 | stew | die7: when do you get this error? where do you see this error |
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| 12:31.18 | wols | stew: do you know what "sheluding" means? |
| 12:31.20 | stew | die7: and yes, please put the exact error into a pastebin? |
| 12:31.38 | stew | wols: scheduling |
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| 12:31.49 | wols | thx |
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| 12:32.57 | jelly | die7: also, pastebin the output of "tail -50 /var/log/kern.log" |
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| 12:34.16 | sidhartha | i have a doubt : if i hold the linux-image-2.6-686 and the linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 for not upgrading the kernel anymore (bored to recompile some apps), are the security update for 2.6.24 still available ? |
| 12:34.23 | die7 | ok, ipw2100 is wlan card from intel, and i have thinkpad 41 i use lenny and try to get this card with this HowTo http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ipw2100 running , i can see my AP just if i try to get connect card goes down |
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| 12:35.35 | die7 | and when i card goes down i see in dmesg just one error fatal error interrupt |
| 12:35.36 | wols | sidhartha: uninstall linux-image-2.6-686 and don't put linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 on hold and you get what you want |
| 12:35.57 | die7 | that's all no any errors to see |
| 12:36.00 | wols | die7: you can try to avoid what people asked from you for whatever, but then you won't get any help |
| 12:36.07 | die7 | ccc |
| 12:36.16 | ma3x | do cable/adsl isps use debian or what linux do the most of them use? |
| 12:36.26 | SamuraiDio | is there how to add postscript fonts (pfb) support to debian? |
| 12:36.39 | wols | ma3x: Cisco OS |
| 12:36.42 | sidhartha | wols: ok thanks |
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| 12:36.49 | die7 | u will realy that i post one entry that i allready posted here to pastebin, oh comon dude be seriuos |
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| 12:37.17 | wols | die7: suit yourself. but before you pastebin I'd suggest you reread the questions posed to you again |
| 12:37.29 | stew | die7: you already posted the exact error message here? |
| 12:37.34 | die7 | yes |
| 12:37.45 | stew | die7: and it is, "one fatal error interrupt sheluding firmware restart" |
| 12:37.53 | die7 | yes |
| 12:37.59 | takisd | confused: what arch do i select to install on a core 2 duo to get 64bit?? |
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| 12:38.05 | wols | takisd: amd64 |
| 12:38.09 | stew | die7: that's odd, sheluding isn't even a word |
| 12:38.10 | jelly | fires the modprobe developer that wrote "sheluding" |
| 12:38.26 | wols | stew: he certainly wasn't a native speaker either |
| 12:38.27 | takisd | wols: thanks for that - that confused 'cause i thought it was for pur AMD64 |
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| 12:39.04 | wols | jelly: let'S have a mandatory course for kernel devs: "english for beginners" :) |
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| 12:39.12 | dustybin | what is the name of the dns tool what can view all the different records in a domain, like mx records etc? |
| 12:39.16 | wols | abrotman can hold it |
| 12:39.18 | die7 | im coming from Kwazulu |
| 12:39.18 | ma3x | is there a debian education in universities? |
| 12:39.22 | wols | dustybin: dig |
| 12:39.30 | dustybin | thats the one :-) |
| 12:39.32 | dustybin | thanks |
| 12:39.47 | die7 | native lang is IsiZulu |
| 12:39.50 | stew | die7: can you please pastebin the exact error? you haven't yet shown us the exact error |
| 12:40.13 | die7 | just sec |
| 12:40.43 | die7 | http://pastebin.com/m2cab38bd |
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| 12:40.59 | dustybin | wols: i think dig is contained in another package, ill do a apt-cache search dns tools |
| 12:41.18 | wols | dustybin: it is. and I'd use apt-file pr pdo |
| 12:41.23 | stew | die7: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:41.36 | jelly | wols: if ( ... ) { \n # database error \n print "$DBI::errstr - thing's fucked up\n"; exit (1); } |
| 12:41.52 | stew | die7: yeah, looks like it is a known issue: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1487 |
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| 12:42.13 | die7 | well this issue is from 2007 |
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| 12:42.22 | stew | die7: yes |
| 12:42.44 | stew | die7: here's a patch that fixes it for 2200 which could probably work for 2100: http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=120302948521611&w=2 |
| 12:42.47 | die7 | hm , and there is no solution |
| 12:42.53 | Ziroday-laptop | Hi, for some reason gksu rejects my password whilst gksudo works absolutely fine, why? |
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| 12:44.01 | stew | die7: i just sent you a solution |
| 12:44.04 | stew | die7: also: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2008-May/035918.html |
| 12:44.20 | dustybin | apt-get install dnsutils ftw :-) |
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| 12:45.16 | die7 | tnx, i will try it but im not sure if that will help i thnik that here is problem in firmware and latency |
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| 12:46.25 | DASPRiD | lol @ "sheluding" |
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| 12:47.20 | alexdb | Ziroday-laptop: gksu expect root password, and gksudo expect your password if you are u=in the sudoers list |
| 12:47.30 | eljefe_ | Is there a simple shell variable with "today's date" that I can rely on? For example, "mv file.txt file'$DATE'.txt" or something similar, which I can put into a BASH script? |
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| 12:48.53 | Bushmills | eljefe_: echo $(date) |
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| 12:48.59 | stew | eljefe_: "mv file.txt file$(date +%Y%m%d).txt" "man date" will explain the format after the + so you can get a different format if you desire |
| 12:49.10 | eljefe_ | great thanks |
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| 12:50.15 | Bushmills | eljefe_: echo $(date +%s) is great because it sorts well |
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| 12:52.46 | kripz_ | im trying to compile transmission and i keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/d6efd3eee |
| 12:53.36 | kripz_ | i have |
| 12:53.36 | kripz_ | OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 12:54.26 | kripz_ | OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 12:54.28 | kripz_ | oops |
| 12:56.45 | justin | kripz_: you don't have the openssl development files installed |
| 12:57.30 | stew | !wayc kripz_ |
| 12:57.31 | dpkg | kripz_: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 12:58.10 | kripz_ | for torrentflux which uses modifications |
| 12:58.24 | wols | and isn't your openssl DSA1571 vulnerable? |
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| 12:59.47 | Alfarin | what I don't get is... if you're using a desktop, why use torrentflux? and if you're doing this on a server, why not use rtorrent? |
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| 13:00.42 | kripz_ | is there any reason i should be using rtorrent? |
| 13:00.56 | gamla_kossan | kripz_: |
| 13:00.59 | gamla_kossan | of course there is |
| 13:01.11 | gamla_kossan | it's text mode ^_^ |
| 13:01.20 | kripz_ | i need a web ui |
| 13:01.23 | kripz_ | for multipl users |
| 13:01.28 | Alfarin | well, if you're on a server, you don't need Gnome / xfce, its much lighter and it does everything you need minus web ui |
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| 13:01.43 | Alfarin | just create a ftp account for people to drop the .torrents and you're good to go |
| 13:02.02 | gamla_kossan | kripz_: I think there's something called jtorrent, which is a web frontend for rtorrent |
| 13:02.03 | Alfarin | rtorrent can be set to monitor a directory for torrents and automatically download |
| 13:02.03 | kripz_ | i dont have any of that Alfarin |
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| 13:02.53 | kripz_ | Which package do i need to get to install the openssl dev files? |
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| 13:03.07 | Alfarin | kripz_> oh, sorry, I got confused when you said transmission and thought of one of them torrent clients with gui |
| 13:03.19 | kripz_ | libcurl3-openssl-dev? |
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| 13:03.41 | Swat2 | I have a bind9 server which is currently acting as a slave for 3 particular domains. The Primary NS is down, but the Secondary doesnt seem to be issueing DNS? any ideas? |
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| 13:04.24 | Alfarin | kripz_> http://packages.debian.org for web based search |
| 13:05.25 | XTZGZoReX | Is there a way that I can virtually boot into my Linux installation while being on Windows? |
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| 13:05.50 | wols | XTZGZoReX: CoLinux |
| 13:06.01 | XTZGZoReX | googles |
| 13:06.03 | Alfarin | CoLinux is awesome :) |
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| 13:06.38 | wols | XTZGZoReX: configuring it is non trivial however |
| 13:06.43 | NoxIn | Swat2: maybee the zone have expired so the slave think the information it have is no longer valid |
| 13:06.44 | wols | XTZGZoReX: and outside the scope of this channel |
| 13:06.52 | XTZGZoReX | wols: what do you mean "non trivial'? |
| 13:06.59 | wols | I mean it's hard |
| 13:07.13 | Alfarin | XTZGZoReX> it's not a simple task to configure it to boot your current installation... |
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| 13:07.32 | Alfarin | If you need a hybrid installation, it is probably easier if you just install CoLinux straight out and use the image it provides |
| 13:07.35 | gamla_kossan | XTZGZoReX: if that deters you, there's AndLinux |
| 13:07.57 | XTZGZoReX | gamla_kossan: how 'simple' is AndLinux? |
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| 13:08.16 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 13:08.17 | wols | XTZGZoReX: ask elsewhere. andlinux is not debian |
| 13:08.29 | deathplanter | when will fx3 be available for lenny? |
| 13:08.35 | wols | !tell deathplanter about wir |
| 13:08.40 | XTZGZoReX | wols: Is it an operation system on its own? |
| 13:08.56 | wols | XTZGZoReX: it is NOT debian. that's all that matters here |
| 13:09.00 | gamla_kossan | XTZGZoReX: never used it, but a friend has, and likes it. and while he's a pretty knowledgeable guy, he's not. well you konw. :> |
| 13:09.03 | deathplanter | wols: is it all about re-branding stuff? |
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| 13:09.31 | wols | deathplanter: it's in sid and in time it will filter down to lenny |
| 13:09.34 | XTZGZoReX | wols: in that sense.. g++ isn't debian either.. screen, wine, etc. ? =/ |
| 13:09.50 | wols | XTZGZoReX: they are all part of debian. andlinux is NOT. neither is any other linux distro. please stop now |
| 13:09.56 | deathplanter | wols: will adding sid repos to lenny's ones screw everything up? |
| 13:10.02 | wols | deathplanter: yes |
| 13:10.05 | deathplanter | damn. |
| 13:11.08 | XTZGZoReX | wols: excuse me, but I'm just trying to get the idea of what's debian and what's not.. |
| 13:11.20 | twobitwork | xmms2 froze on me... should I file a bug with debian or with upstream? |
| 13:11.24 | wols | adebian is what you can get from debian.org |
| 13:11.41 | wols | twobitwork: if it's from debian.org, use the bts |
| 13:11.49 | twobitwork | ok |
| 13:11.59 | wols | if you are sure it's a xmms bug and not your hardware, power spike, cosmic rays, etc |
| 13:12.10 | Swat2 | heh @ cosmic rays |
| 13:12.22 | wols | it helps if you can reproduce the freezing |
| 13:12.32 | twobitwork | ok, I'll see if it happens again |
| 13:12.37 | XTZGZoReX | wols: I'm aware of that, but as far as I know, Wine isnt obtainable from debian.org? |
| 13:12.45 | twobitwork | any idea on how I would get some info of the freeze next time it happens? |
| 13:12.47 | wols | !info wine |
| 13:13.05 | twobitwork | XTZGZoReX: why wouldn't it be? |
| 13:13.20 | XTZGZoReX | twobitwork: do you see a wine download link on debian.org? |
| 13:13.28 | twobitwork | I see it in apt |
| 13:13.34 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 13:13.46 | wols | see how it's part of debian? |
| 13:14.17 | deathplanter | wols: one more question - will installing just the firefox package from sid screw stuff up aswell? |
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| 13:14.32 | wols | deathplanter: yes cause it will get its dependencies too or it can't run |
| 13:14.38 | wols | they're all from sid as well of cours |
| 13:14.44 | wols | and backporting it is non trivial |
| 13:14.45 | twobitwork | deathplanter: depends on how many dependencies it needs from sid |
| 13:14.57 | wols | twobitwork: it's ffox. what do you think? |
| 13:15.02 | twobitwork | heh, what wols said |
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| 13:20.39 | pete_ | I have extremely hard problem and have no idea what causes it howto solve it. I got redhat machine witch i stress test using ab 50request @ time. It gives those back @ 900-1000kt/sek. Then i do this same test in Debian Etch. Everything is same. Apache, php, MySQL, site. Verified settings with those, it's ok. This machine how ever gives me back just 100-200kb/sek. So doing test takes ~8 times longer. So is there some kind of kernel parametere |
| 13:20.58 | gamla_kossan | (alt+f1+f2+ and so on) |
| 13:21.04 | gamla_kossan | oups |
| 13:21.11 | gamla_kossan | wrong channel :> |
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| 13:22.29 | base3 | does anyone know which package(s) are required to play aac mp4 audio files with totem? |
| 13:22.58 | wols | base3: possibly dmm ones |
| 13:23.25 | maligor | gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg possibly? |
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| 13:24.25 | base3 | wols: dmm? |
| 13:24.39 | wols | !dmm |
| 13:24.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 13:25.08 | Swat2 | I have a bind9 server which is currently acting as a slave for 3 particular domains. The Primary NS is down, but the Secondary doesnt seem to be issueing DNS? any ideas? the config file has records in it (admittedly they may be stale, but still look OK to me). The Server is giving out IP's for Master zones... |
| 13:26.36 | maligor | oh, ffmpeg doesn't have internal aac, supplied by faac/faad |
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| 13:32.05 | LimCore | I messed up a bit... how to reinstall full a GRUB (including MBR) into /dev/sda ? /dev/sda1/ is the boot, and is mounted at /boot (at contains all vmlinuz and initrd files) |
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| 13:32.26 | kripz_ | i cant I cant install openssl-dev, what does this error mean? http://pastebin.com/m77679b7b |
| 13:33.02 | defrysk | LimCore, if you have a netinstall iso select rescue and do a grub repair |
| 13:33.14 | XTZGZoReX | I currently have a Linux partition and a Windows partition. Also, I have GRUB/GNUB - what's it called? - installed. So, how can I safely remove the Debian partition now? Without breaking GRUB (rather, I want to remove GRUB). |
| 13:34.12 | maligor | the worm option |
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| 13:34.32 | twobitwork | !tell XTZGZoReX about remove linux |
| 13:35.08 | twobitwork | XTZGZoReX: mind if I ask why you want to remove debian? |
| 13:35.20 | XTZGZoReX | twinkiman: I'm planning to run it with coLinux. |
| 13:35.24 | twobitwork | ahh |
| 13:35.37 | XTZGZoReX | Since, well. |
| 13:35.41 | XTZGZoReX | My main time goes in Windows. |
| 13:35.53 | XTZGZoReX | And I just use Debian for coding/development, really. |
| 13:35.59 | twobitwork | I see |
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| 13:36.07 | base3 | wols, maligor, thank you two very much, the gstreamer-ffmpeg version from dmm (gstreamer0.10-ffmeg-full) works great! cheers |
| 13:36.33 | base3 | enjoys missy elliot remix |
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| 13:36.45 | kienerii_ | hm, i tried to install the new iceweasel 3.0 - so ein put into my sources.list the debian unstable url and did a "apt-get install iceweasel/unstable". but apt upgraded all other packages as well and not only my iceweasel.. can you say me why?? |
| 13:36.49 | twobitwork | XTZGZoReX: I would recommend getting the gparted livecd and expanding your windows partition over the linux one |
| 13:37.13 | defrysk | kienerii_, to resolve dependencies |
| 13:37.21 | kienerii_ | omg! |
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| 13:37.39 | XTZGZoReX | twinkiman: I'll look into that :) |
| 13:37.43 | defrysk | kienerii_, dont mix repos if you have to ask why what |
| 13:37.44 | maligor | the base3 the gstreamer really-bad set also provides a faad plugin, couldn't really say which is better tho, the really-bad sort of puts me off atleast :P |
| 13:37.51 | maligor | s/the// |
| 13:37.52 | XTZGZoReX | Now, are you sure GRUB isn't installed on my Windows partition? Can I check, somehow? |
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| 13:38.08 | maligor | XTZGZoReX, usually installed on the MBR |
| 13:38.13 | XTZGZoReX | Because, last time I deleted the Linux partition I got a GRUB error on PC boot, so I figured there ere parts of it left on Windows |
| 13:38.21 | XTZGZoReX | maligor: how can I remove it then? |
| 13:38.24 | maligor | XTZGZoReX, you should run the windows mbr fixer thing |
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| 13:38.35 | twobitwork | its probably on the MBR... in which case running "fdisk /mbr" in windows cmd.exe should fix it |
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| 13:38.42 | gamla_kossan | XTZGZoReX: google it or check on the grub site |
| 13:38.45 | XTZGZoReX | that'll remove it? |
| 13:38.45 | XTZGZoReX | =O |
| 13:38.58 | twobitwork | it'll install the windows boot loaded onto the MBR |
| 13:38.59 | maligor | yeah |
| 13:39.00 | defrysk | XTZGZoReX, ask in #windows , they know |
| 13:39.14 | gamla_kossan | XTZGZoReX: thankfully, they've got a section devoted to uninstalling it :> |
| 13:39.15 | twobitwork | but yeah, further questions should go to #windows |
| 13:39.15 | XTZGZoReX | defrysk: may be true, but GRUB is a linux thing, heh |
| 13:39.25 | XTZGZoReX | what the.. |
| 13:39.26 | XTZGZoReX | =X |
| 13:39.27 | maligor | no, not really, grub is a universal thing |
| 13:39.33 | XTZGZoReX | fdisk unknown command |
| 13:39.34 | XTZGZoReX | -_-" |
| 13:39.34 | defrysk | XTZGZoReX, removing it for windows is windows thing eh |
| 13:39.38 | maligor | it can boot windows too now I think |
| 13:39.42 | kienerii_ | defrysk: yeah, but i'd like to have iceweasel 3.0 :) |
| 13:39.48 | maligor | atleast they added ntfs support in grub2 at some point |
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| 13:39.59 | defrysk | kienerii_, me too but i have patience |
| 13:40.15 | twobitwork | XTZGZoReX: then I don't know... ask the #windows people how to install the boot loader on the MBR |
| 13:40.22 | riz_ | Hi. Is there a list of md5sum of debian lenny files (not packages .deb)somewhere? |
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| 13:40.29 | slxix | fdisk /mbr *might* work. :) |
| 13:40.32 | chops | I'm still looking at server monitoring software (since yesterday)... it looks like zabbix and nagios are the obvious good choices. Does anyone have an opinion on which one of those is better? |
| 13:40.33 | XTZGZoReX | twinkiman: i will, thanks |
| 13:40.45 | NoxIn | chops : I prefere jffnms |
| 13:40.46 | twobitwork | XTZGZoReX: my name is not twinkiman :P |
| 13:40.52 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 13:40.52 | twobitwork | s/name/nick |
| 13:40.54 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 13:40.55 | twobitwork | :P |
| 13:41.01 | XTZGZoReX | twobitwork* |
| 13:41.49 | maligor | oh and let's not forget, you can install spaceinvaders in grub2 |
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| 13:42.29 | twobitwork | maligor: oh"? |
| 13:42.48 | gamla_kossan | maligor: sweet |
| 13:42.49 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 13:42.58 | maligor | the grub-invaders package |
| 13:43.29 | maligor | I think technically it's a kernel tho, not a grub module |
| 13:43.32 | gamla_kossan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.34 | gamla_kossan | doh |
| 13:44.02 | chops | NoxIn: Hm, interesting... any particular reason that one above zabbix or nagios? |
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| 13:44.05 | maligor | always wondered why anyone chose to write it :P |
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| 13:46.13 | twobitwork | hmm... I think its time to clean my $HOME... it's starting to get real messy... |
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| 13:46.36 | NoxIn | chops: never tried zabbix, so I can't compare, nagios is good when it's configured by hard to configure, what I like in jffnms mostly is autodiscovering of hosts and of what you can monitor on it, just clic on what you wan't to monitor and it monitor it. |
| 13:46.39 | twobitwork | I'm worried I might start getting bugs </pun> |
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| 13:47.13 | riz_ | I'm trying to use debsums but in many packages I get "no md5sums for xxxx". Need I to reinstall the package? Here's a missing md5sum file list http://pastebin.com/m3bb8bc5d |
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| 13:47.19 | chops | NoxIn: Yeah, I'm leaning towards zabbix because of the text configuration for nagios |
| 13:47.21 | tarantella | cioo |
| 13:47.25 | tarantella | !list |
| 13:47.25 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tarantella |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | tarantella: wrong channel, go away |
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| 13:47.36 | twobitwork | lmao |
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| 13:47.58 | chops | NoxIn: Personally I <3 text configuration files, but not everyone I work with (particularly not everyone who may be interested in seeing the monitoring data) feels the same way |
| 13:48.19 | NoxIn | chops: I prefer text configuration usually, but not nagios-like text configuration :) |
| 13:48.30 | chops | NoxIn: Heh |
| 13:50.15 | NoxIn | chops: I use also cacti, mostly because cacti is better when you wan't to give access to some graph to customers ... In fact I do monitoring and altering with jffnms, and let my customers see their bandwith graph on cacti |
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| 13:50.33 | NoxIn | s/altering/alerting/ |
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| 13:52.10 | chops | NoxIn: Hm... I don't need fine-grained permissions, but I do want alerts and monitoring of events. It looks to me like cacti is more focused towards performance measurements, no? |
| 13:52.23 | NoxIn | yes |
| 13:52.30 | twobitwork | :q! |
| 13:52.34 | twobitwork | er..... sorry |
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| 13:52.48 | NoxIn | ctrl-x ctrl-c ! |
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| 13:53.05 | twobitwork | q |
| 13:53.07 | twobitwork | (ed) |
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| 13:53.09 | poseidon | How can I give all programs or programs editing files in a certain subset of directories root access or read/write permision? |
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| 13:54.09 | zamba | how do i check what options a package has been compiled with? |
| 13:54.17 | twobitwork | poseidon: you mean, you want a program to have root access when run by a non-root user? |
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| 13:55.28 | NoxIn | poseidon: I would chgrp all the directories to a certain group and let the user running the programs belong to this group ... now this may mess thing up if you need the files to belong to other group ... |
| 13:55.30 | poseidon | twobitwork, I want all programs to have permission to read/write files in /home/joe/<my prgs which need to read/write config files> |
| 13:55.53 | twobitwork | poseidon: programs don't have permissions, only users do |
| 13:56.07 | twobitwork | er... at least not in the sense that you mean |
| 13:56.25 | poseidon | twobitwork, I go you |
| 13:56.33 | twobitwork | are these programs running as a user other than joe? |
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| 13:57.09 | poseidon | twobitwork, no. I'm the only user other than root. It's that I'm constantly having to test/debug them and kdesu interferes with that. |
| 13:58.21 | twobitwork | so... if the programs are running as joe, and you want them to write in joe's $HOME, why are you using kdesu? i.e., what is the problem? |
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| 13:59.01 | Ongavezir | Hallelujja testverek |
| 13:59.11 | Ongavezir | Dicsoseges Ongavezir szol hozzatok |
| 13:59.32 | twobitwork | um |
| 13:59.49 | twobitwork | This is an english speaking channel |
| 14:00.06 | twobitwork | try #debian-<lc> where <lc> is your language code |
| 14:00.06 | Ongavezir | Magyar vagyok nem turista |
| 14:00.16 | twobitwork | anyone know what language that is? |
| 14:00.19 | Bushmills | !hu |
| 14:00.19 | dpkg | methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 14:00.25 | twobitwork | there we goi |
| 14:00.33 | poseidon | twobitwork, if I don't run with kdesu I'm unable to save a settings file which is vital to my program. |
| 14:00.39 | Ongavezir | Bog! Dragu mi je? |
| 14:00.47 | twobitwork | poseidon: who owns this settings file? |
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| 14:01.47 | poseidon | twobitwork, how do I check. (sorry I'm still a bit new to linux). |
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| 14:01.55 | twobitwork | ls -l <file> |
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| 14:03.24 | twobitwork | it'll look something like "-rw-r--r-- 1 <user> <group> <size> <date> file.etc" |
| 14:03.58 | poseidon | twobitwork, root |
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| 14:04.32 | twobitwork | what file is it, btw? is it a system file, or just a file for your program? |
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| 14:04.38 | poseidon | I want everything under /home/joe/<folder> to be owned by joe. |
| 14:04.45 | twobitwork | poseidon: it should be already |
| 14:04.49 | poseidon | twobitwork, file for my program. |
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| 14:04.57 | twobitwork | unless you've been walking around as root in your $HOME |
| 14:05.02 | NoxIn | chown -R joe /home/joe/<folder> |
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| 14:05.48 | poseidon | twobitwork, My program makes the file if it is not available in the directory so if I run the program as root I guess the files it makes are owned by root. |
| 14:06.06 | twobitwork | poseidon: yep... is there a reason you need your program to run as root? |
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| 14:06.46 | lnostdal | ok, so i just upgraded from etch to lenny .. how do i go about getting firefox/iceweasel to work at this point? x) |
| 14:06.55 | poseidon | twobitwork, Well I need it to the permissions to edit/delete/make anything in the folder and that was the only way I knew how at the time. |
| 14:07.03 | twobitwork | lnostdal: what is the problem? |
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| 14:07.56 | twobitwork | poseidon: well... if you only need it to work in that directory then just run as the user |
| 14:07.57 | lnostdal | well, trying to search-and-replace "lenny" with "experimental" .. then doing an upgrade .. then doing aptitude install iceweasel "does nothing" .. (i figured i'd change back to lenny after that .. ) |
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| 14:08.57 | lnostdal | or well, it mentions: "No candidate version found for iceweasel" |
| 14:10.16 | poseidon | twobitwork, I know what I need now. All the files that I created during compile/config generation are owned by root (because I had to do it in root). How can I change all the files in the dubdirectories of <folder> to be owned be owned by joe. That should fix the problem. |
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| 14:10.36 | poseidon | Or is that what chown does? |
| 14:10.51 | twobitwork | lnostdal: ohh... you want ff3 |
| 14:10.56 | twobitwork | lnostdal: good luck |
| 14:11.00 | anders__ | poseidon, use chown -R |
| 14:11.13 | twobitwork | poseidon: yes, use chown |
| 14:11.17 | lnostdal | gaaah .. why do mozilla even bother distributing binaries? x) |
| 14:11.18 | wols | lnostdal: it's in sid. but it will hose your lenny, sooner or later |
| 14:11.37 | wols | poseidon: chown |
| 14:13.26 | poseidon | Are any of you familiar with ogre3d because that is what I'm working with. And it fixes the file problem, but then I get the same problem I get when trying to run the program under plain old root. It says it can't lock connection to xserver. This problem is changed if I use kdesu though. Whats the difference between kdesu and su? |
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| 14:14.26 | wols | poseidon: DISPLAY environment variable |
| 14:15.06 | themill | !root x |
| 14:15.07 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
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| 14:15.46 | justin | poseidon: stop running random things as root! |
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| 14:16.06 | poseidon | justin, I don't run random things as root. |
| 14:16.11 | wols | poseidon: youd id |
| 14:16.14 | kerberos | :( |
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| 14:28.39 | twobitwork | poseidon: if you don't need to run it as root, don't |
| 14:28.49 | tarzeau | is there a solution to this problem? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12292 |
| 14:30.11 | twobitwork | poseidon: but if you need to, check your DISPLAY variable... if its set right then it should work with su |
| 14:30.18 | twobitwork | also, check out sudo |
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| 14:34.00 | chops | tarzeau: Do you have an unusual UID 0 user by any chance (i.e. with a username other than 'root')? |
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| 14:34.34 | tarzeau | chops: no |
| 14:34.46 | chops | tarzeau: Strange |
| 14:34.50 | chops | tarzeau: Is it in the BTS? |
| 14:34.57 | tarzeau | chops: dunno, can you find it? |
| 14:35.15 | chops | tarzeau: Not if I don't look, which I'm not going to. You have to look for your own bugs, sorry :-) |
| 14:35.29 | tarzeau | chops: not my bug |
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| 14:37.20 | methods | can i tell dpkg --build to dereference symbolic links |
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| 14:38.25 | hereje | I'm trying to configure sendxmpp... I create .sendxmpp but i don't know how fill it... |
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| 14:40.10 | hereje | I'm trying to configure sendxmpp... I create .sendxmpp but i don't know how fill it... My user name is username@accounts.domain.cu and my jabber server is jabber.domain.cu |
| 14:40.24 | hereje | Can anybody help me ? |
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| 14:41.38 | hereje | I'm trying to configure sendxmpp... I create .sendxmpprc but i don't know how fill it... My user name is username@accounts.domain.cu and my jabber server is jabber.domain.cu |
| 14:41.39 | Skratz0r | How do I change VT's in Debian? |
| 14:41.48 | twobitwork | hereje: don't repeat, its rude |
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| 14:42.08 | twobitwork | hereje: and people will be less likely to want to help you |
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| 14:42.36 | kerberos | hi |
| 14:42.51 | hereje | twobitwork: Okay |
| 14:43.17 | hereje | twobitwork: Sorry but i'm going crazy with this problem |
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| 14:43.52 | twobitwork | hereje: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 14:44.24 | Skratz0r | :-( |
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| 14:44.55 | Skratz0r | How can I change virtual terminals? Is it control alt F1 F2 etcetera? |
| 14:45.07 | twobitwork | control-alt-f1 |
| 14:45.11 | CharminTheMoose | Skratz0r, yes |
| 14:45.11 | twobitwork | if you're in X |
| 14:45.30 | twobitwork | Skratz0r: is it not working? |
| 14:45.34 | Skratz0r | If I were using a mac keyboard... |
| 14:45.36 | Skratz0r | No; it's not |
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| 14:46.21 | docsnuggles | Hi! Does anybody know a way to print a webpage with Firefox *3* and *lpr(ng)*. Firefox 3 only seems to know the cups printspooler(?) |
| 14:46.36 | hereje | twobitwork: I need to configure my .sendxmpprc with a user name distinct of the jabber server |
| 14:46.38 | tarzeau | docsnuggles: i'm glad we have cups :) |
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| 14:46.45 | tarzeau | docsnuggles: you run it w/ etch or later? |
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| 14:46.54 | docsnuggles | later - lenny |
| 14:46.57 | twobitwork | hereje: have you looked at the docs fro sendxmpp? |
| 14:47.28 | hereje | twobitwork: Of course... |
| 14:47.46 | twobitwork | and it doesn't say how to write the rc file? |
| 14:47.50 | hereje | twobitwork: Internet, man sendxmpp, all possibilities |
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| 14:48.10 | hereje | twobitwork: They say it, but no my situation |
| 14:48.25 | cruxeter1us | How do I tell apt-get not to install the recommended dependencies? |
| 14:48.29 | zoke | is it possible to run debian testing as a every-day desktop machine ? |
| 14:48.42 | chops | zoke: Yes |
| 14:48.44 | twobitwork | zoke: why not? |
| 14:48.45 | xand | cruxeter1us: it doesn't install recommended ones by default AFAIK |
| 14:49.00 | zoke | I mean, is it sort of stable ? |
| 14:49.05 | hereje | twobitwork: Generally, the jabber server is the same of the jabber account, for example user@jabber.com is in the server jabber.com |
| 14:49.06 | twobitwork | it's very stable |
| 14:49.08 | cruxeter1us | xand: that's what I thought... but in this case, it's trying to :) |
| 14:49.26 | chops | zoke: "Stable" in the sense of "Debian stable" means infrequently updated, not reliable. |
| 14:49.36 | chops | zoke: In practice, both stable and testing tend to be quite reliable. |
| 14:49.47 | jamiejackson | install ndiswrapper modprobe -r b43 b44 b43legacy ssb; modprobe --ignore-install ndiswrapper $CMDLINE_OPTS; modprobe ssb; modprobe b44; |
| 14:49.47 | jamiejackson | ^ when "modprobe ndiswrapper" is run, the above (ndiswrapper) modprobe.d file will first remove b43, b44, b43legacy, and then ssb. then it will install ndiswrapper, ssb, then b44. does this sound right? |
| 14:49.47 | zoke | wonderful |
| 14:50.21 | Rockj | Hi guys. Im currently trying to create mdadm devices on a debian install |
| 14:50.31 | twobitwork | zoke: I'm running lenny (testing) and it's been up for 39 days so far -- and that's just my laptop |
| 14:50.40 | cruxeter1us | xand: It's possible that my chroot is missing some apt-related tools / config that is causing the problem. |
| 14:50.47 | chops | cruxeter1us: What recommends don't you want to install? Recommends are supposed to be packages that are desired in >95% of installations... sometimes they're not, but that's a bug in the package when it happens. |
| 14:50.57 | chops | cruxeter1us: I thought that apt-get now installed recommends by default (I know aptitude does). |
| 14:51.01 | Rockj | I want to setup systems at raid1. mdadm binary is available but im missing the available /dev/mdX devices. Supposed to create them myself? |
| 14:51.25 | chops | cruxeter1us: I also know that there's a way in apt.preferences to specify not to install recommends, though I don't know it offhand. It should be easy to find on google. |
| 14:51.28 | cruxeter1us | chops: well, integrit for example... all I want is a simple local file-sums checker... but it's trying to install an entire mail system for reporting errors |
| 14:51.33 | hereje | twobitwork: But in mi case my account domain is distinct of my jabber server, i mean, my account is user@myentity.mydomain.com and my jabber server is jabber.mydomain.com ... Do you undertand now ? |
| 14:51.41 | cruxeter1us | chops: Ah, ok.. I'll search for that. Thanks. :) |
| 14:51.46 | chops | cruxeter1us: A Debian system should have a working MTA. |
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| 14:51.58 | twobitwork | hereje: I see what you mean... but I don't know the solution |
| 14:52.06 | hereje | twobitwork: Okay |
| 14:52.07 | cruxeter1us | chops: Mine will eventually have postfix... but it's trying to pull in the whole exim hierarchy |
| 14:52.14 | twobitwork | hereje: |
| 14:52.14 | chops | cruxeter1us: Better IMHO to set up an MTA than to defeat this particular instance where the system's trying to get you to install one... but it's up to you. |
| 14:52.34 | chops | cruxeter1us: If you install postfix, it'll stop trying to install an MTA. It's just installing exim because you're not got one (is what I'm assuming). |
| 14:52.40 | chops | *you've not got one |
| 14:52.41 | twobitwork | er... hereje: actually, the man page has an example like this "alice@myjabberserver.com:1234 secret" |
| 14:52.51 | cruxeter1us | chops: I realize this... but I want my intrusion detection on first. :P |
| 14:52.52 | twobitwork | er, "alice@myjabberserver.com;foo.com:1234 secret" |
| 14:53.00 | twobitwork | have you tried that? |
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| 14:54.42 | hereje | twobitwork: Yes... And there's syntax error |
| 14:55.02 | twobitwork | you have that in your config, and the program says there's a syntax error in your config? |
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| 14:55.23 | pozic | How can I configure Evolution not to ask for a password for a keyring? |
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| 14:55.50 | hereje | twobitwork: Yes |
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| 14:56.25 | pozic | It currently asks for the "default" keyring password. On Ubuntu they configured it so that it uses the login keyring. |
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| 14:58.12 | macafe | What software I can use in Debian to edit and view files of Microsoft Project? |
| 14:58.34 | chops | macafe: Tried openoffice? |
| 14:59.02 | pozic | macafe: if you have Microsoft Project, wine, otherwise try a search in Synaptic. |
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| 14:59.38 | macafe | pozic, I already search in apt-cache and find notthing :( |
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| 15:00.03 | Gatonegro | Hello. I'm having a strange issue... When I try to run any pygtk application that is not part of the usual Debian installation (for example, WICD, or some apps I wrote in PyGTK) they just display a blank window which freezes. What can I do to fix this? |
| 15:00.04 | pozic | macafe: then probably there is nothing, besides some random projects on sf.net maybe. |
| 15:00.39 | twobitwork | hereje: I would double check to make sure there isn't a syntax error, then file a bug |
| 15:01.00 | themill | macafe: can taskjuggler do it? (It's a similar program, but I don't know if it does M$ Project files) |
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| 15:01.23 | petemc | didnt there used to be a mr project ? |
| 15:01.33 | macafe | themill, I need edit and see project files because other peoples of company |
| 15:02.13 | themill | macafe: yeah, I figured that.... I can only point you towards things to have a look at them. http://www.taskjuggler.org/ |
| 15:02.39 | macafe | themill, I already install project using wine.. but not works so fine, I will read about this software |
| 15:03.32 | hereje | twobitwork: Okay |
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| 15:06.04 | Gatonegro | Never mind. Fixed by updating python-gtk2 |
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| 15:08.49 | abrotman | !flw |
| 15:08.50 | dpkg | i heard flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
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| 15:13.38 | Nyle\ | * Cannot join #debian (User limit reached). |
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| 15:15.00 | zepeuga | i have proftpd installed. But when connecting it only goes to /home/user that i'm connecting. How can i make "user" access /mnt/xpto ? |
| 15:15.15 | SPF | !ops nick limit reached |
| 15:15.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: spf complains about: nick limit reached |
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| 15:16.12 | abrotman | no debhelper ? |
| 15:16.13 | themill | mentor: thanks. debhelper doesn't seem to have done it for quite some time |
| 15:16.22 | Maulkin | Aww. |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:16.23 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 15:16.33 | Maulkin | You want people to come in here? |
| 15:16.50 | themill | Maulkin: well no, it was a plan to keep Nyle_ out, really :) |
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| 15:16.52 | mentor | debhelper: doesn't seem to have identified to services |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | kick him and let him rejoin ? |
| 15:17.25 | Maulkin | Not sure if he will :P |
| 15:17.29 | stew | he probably needs to restart, not just rejoin |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | well .. he's not being useful now anyways .. can't hurt ? |
| 15:17.37 | Nyle_ | hehe |
| 15:17.41 | mentor | not identified |
| 15:17.43 | Maulkin | Mind you, he's not doing anything useful at the mo... |
| 15:17.52 | Nyle_ | what did i do? |
| 15:17.52 | mentor | I've just opped it? |
| 15:18.04 | abrotman | now we just need spam bots to test it! |
| 15:18.14 | mentor | It looks real |
| 15:18.17 | Nyle_ | I did nussin' |
| 15:18.24 | Nyle_ | Good morning |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | debhelper: do something useful! |
| 15:18.40 | mentor | decides to believe it is debhelper |
| 15:18.41 | Maulkin | Lies. It's blatently afternoon |
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| 15:19.13 | petemc | almost evening |
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| 15:20.46 | South3rn | any known issues when installing beryl on lenny with an intel 945GM card?? |
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| 15:21.02 | abrotman | beryl is dead .. and not in debian |
| 15:21.47 | South3rn | abrotman: what do you recommend ? |
| 15:22.10 | abrotman | compiz-fusion |
| 15:23.12 | Deezire | I ran copiz-fusion on a Intel 950GM |
| 15:23.16 | valdyn | i would avoid compiz / beryl etc on intel chipset till theres mature support |
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| 15:23.23 | Deezire | ran smoothly |
| 15:23.37 | valdyn | Deezire: till you play a video or resize windows |
| 15:23.43 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:23.49 | Deezire | Had no problem with video playback |
| 15:24.02 | RichiH | it should do stuff now that it's oped |
| 15:24.49 | stew | debhelper: do stuff |
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| 15:27.08 | sebrock | how can I know if 4.0r3 has dkms support? |
| 15:27.16 | Nyle_ | lol |
| 15:27.19 | Nyle_ | do stuff hahaha |
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| 15:28.24 | sebrock | Nyle_ thats for me? |
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| 15:28.32 | mammoccio | hi there |
| 15:28.38 | Nyle_ | sebrock, no |
| 15:28.47 | peleg | is there a way to pipe the standard output to the buffer, to be pasted by shift-ins ? |
| 15:28.56 | mammoccio | anione knows some good repo to find some e17 stuff like eefreet? |
| 15:29.07 | helo | when i try hwclock --systohc, it says 'select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out' |
| 15:29.12 | helo | does that mean it worked? |
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| 15:29.45 | helo | heh... i get the same just running "hwclock" |
| 15:30.55 | themill | peleg: xclip |
| 15:31.03 | peleg | themill: thanks! |
| 15:31.52 | deltas4 | is away: Not set |
| 15:32.03 | themill | deltas4: ffs... turn that thing offf |
| 15:32.49 | sebrock | does 4.0r3 have DKMS?? |
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| 15:34.25 | flyingparchment | i'm trying to install testing on a system with a bnx2 network card. the bnx2 driver gives this error when loading: "bnx2: Can't load firmware file bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw". it seems i need some non-free package to make this work. how do i add this to the installer? |
| 15:34.36 | themill | sebrock: isn't that a redhat thing for building out-of-tree modules? Debian has module-assistant for that task. |
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| 15:35.53 | wols | flyingparchment: are you using netinst? |
| 15:36.10 | flyingparchment | wols: if that means a network install, then yes. i'm using netboot.tar.gz |
| 15:36.25 | wols | I ask if you use a netinst image |
| 15:36.34 | flyingparchment | i don't know what a netinst image is. |
| 15:36.40 | wols | !netinst |
| 15:36.41 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 15:36.50 | flyingparchment | okay, then no. i'm doing a network install (PXE) |
| 15:37.07 | wols | your booting method has nothing to do with what installer you use |
| 15:37.11 | wols | so what are you using? |
| 15:37.42 | flyingparchment | i used this: ftp.nl.debian.org:/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
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| 15:37.45 | wols | and what network card is it exactly? |
| 15:37.58 | wols | I wouldn't use a lenny installer |
| 15:38.04 | flyingparchment | it's a BCM5708 (broadcom netextreme ii) |
| 15:38.36 | flyingparchment | okay, should i try unstable installer? |
| 15:38.43 | wols | there is no unstable installer |
| 15:38.51 | flyingparchment | then what? |
| 15:39.00 | wols | !tell flyingparchment about kmuto |
| 15:39.05 | wols | but it won't have the firmware either |
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| 15:39.14 | wols | breoadcom stuff = shit, proprietary shit |
| 15:39.17 | flyingparchment | okay. then how do i get the firmware into the install image? |
| 15:39.18 | wols | *broadcom |
| 15:39.29 | wols | !tell flyingparchment about custom cd |
| 15:39.32 | wols | custom install kernel |
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| 15:40.41 | balasyum | hi, is mounting / as sshfs unable? |
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| 15:40.56 | wols | maybe with some bad initrd trickery |
| 15:41.03 | wols | but it's bad to do yes |
| 15:41.09 | my007ms | when i try apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:41.14 | my007ms | it's ask for CD |
| 15:41.19 | my007ms | but i have netinstall |
| 15:41.20 | wols | my007ms: fix your sources.list then |
| 15:41.26 | stew | my007ms: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 15:41.45 | balasyum | or, how could I do a nice netboot from my pendrive from for example a netcafé or school? |
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| 15:42.44 | sebrock | themill, Ubuntu has it... thought Debian would... |
| 15:43.38 | Sysctl___ | anyone have ay experience with ultramonkey / ldirector? i'm getting a situation where, for some reason, which i can explain further, my firewall constantly thinks its experiencing a syn flood attack from legit users of our site |
| 15:44.13 | Sysctl___ | ultramonkey running on debian sarge |
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| 15:45.58 | Nyle_ | what is this dpms thing? |
| 15:46.01 | litage | i don't have access to a Linux box at the moment. could someone please tell me which package the tool ``seq'' is contained in? |
| 15:46.03 | Nyle_ | dpks or whatever you said |
| 15:46.08 | helo | how can i run an x session on vterm 7 as a particular user? |
| 15:46.16 | helo | err, 8 ;) |
| 15:46.21 | stew | Sysctl___: you should upgrade from sarge->etch. sarge is no longer supported |
| 15:46.24 | Nyle_ | !dkms |
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| 15:46.26 | asldkjfas | I have debian on my 'first hdd' and i have another empty hdd that i want to install windows xp to so i can have debian as first operating system but also have windows xp when needed. when i put in the windows xp dvd and i try to install it to the hdd it gives me an error. what should i do? |
| 15:46.50 | valdyn | asldkjfas: does this look like a windows support channel? |
| 15:46.52 | balasyum | remove the other hdd? |
| 15:46.55 | asldkjfas | my debian is using grub? |
| 15:46.57 | Nyle_ | ##windows |
| 15:47.02 | Sysctl___ | stew: yeh, i would have, but ultramonkey doesnt support etch yet |
| 15:47.03 | balasyum | so only one hdd in the pc |
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| 15:47.16 | Nyle_ | you don't want the linux hdd in the system when you install linux |
| 15:47.22 | themill | litage: /msg dpkg search ; packages.debian.org or the dpkg bot will help you even if you're not running debian right now. |
| 15:47.24 | helo | if vterm 7 has gdm running, what do i need to do to run an x session as a particular user (already logged in) on vterm 8? |
| 15:47.27 | asldkjfas | ok i guess you guys are new to linux and dont know so much. np. ill ask in windows.. |
| 15:47.31 | litage | themill: thanks |
| 15:47.35 | stew | Sysctl___: is ultramonkey anything more than just installing the ldirector/heartbeat packages? |
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| 15:47.44 | Nyle_ | take out linux hdd, leave only other one, install ..... ok i don't want to help you after what you just aid |
| 15:47.45 | valdyn | helo: startx -- :1 |
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| 15:48.12 | themill | !dbugs 481590 |
| 15:48.14 | treb0r | asldkjfas: use virtualbox to run xp - works for me... |
| 15:48.16 | dpkg | #481590:W[wnpp] ITP: dkms -- Dynamic Kernel Module Support framework; Sat, 17 May 2008 09:12:02 UTC |
| 15:48.17 | themill | sebrock: ^^ |
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| 15:49.41 | Sysctl___ | stew: yeh, in one nice little package... doers sarge have a well known problem with its tcp stack? |
| 15:49.41 | asldkjfas | nyle you cant just take out the debian hdd and isntall windows on the other one. you still have the problems at boot time... |
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| 15:50.12 | Nyle_ | you won't |
| 15:50.23 | stew | Sysctl___: you mean it just has a metapackage which depends on the necessary packags? |
| 15:50.28 | Nyle_ | you just put in the debian hdd afterwords, and make and tell bios to boot it |
| 15:50.28 | asldkjfas | nyle so at boot time grub will give me the option to start either debian or windows? |
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| 15:50.31 | valdyn | asldkjfas: as someone without to much experience at what you are trying, you should install windows first, on the first hd, and debian after that |
| 15:50.38 | stew | Sysctl___: or does this 'one nice little package' actually contain other files? |
| 15:50.39 | Nyle_ | and then you just tell grub menu.lst, make entry for windows |
| 15:50.41 | Nyle_ | chainload it |
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| 15:50.43 | Nyle_ | and you're set |
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| 15:50.50 | Nyle_ | if you isntall windows while with linux |
| 15:50.53 | Nyle_ | it will overwrite mbr |
| 15:51.01 | asldkjfas | nyle ok thanks man |
| 15:51.12 | asldkjfas | where is menu.lst? |
| 15:51.15 | asldkjfas | path? |
| 15:51.29 | themill | asldkjfas: /msg dpkg dual boot guide |
| 15:51.55 | Sysctl___ | stew: not exactly sure, http://www.ultramonkey.org/ |
| 15:52.21 | asldkjfas | ok i will read this dual boot guide |
| 15:52.31 | Sysctl___ | stew: i would assume its just a package they put together |
| 15:52.53 | Sysctl___ | stew: based on all the usual bits, heartbeat, ldirectord |
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| 15:54.16 | asldkjfas | themill these dual boot guides asumes both operating systems is to be on the same hdd? |
| 15:54.33 | asldkjfas | http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm |
| 15:54.54 | asldkjfas | this is the one im planning to read but i have debian on this hdd im on now and another 500gb hdd that i want windows xp on |
| 15:55.00 | sebrock | themill, ok - that means it is included or not? |
| 15:55.05 | stew | Sysctl___: its just a metapackage that exists to pull in other packges: "Depends: heartbeat (>= 1.2.3), ldirectord (>= 1.2.3), iproute, ipvsadm". (you can verify that it doesn't really provide much else with "dpkg -L ultramonkey") |
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| 15:55.42 | stew | Sysctl___: so i don't see any reason you cannot just upgrade to etch, since you already have all the packages you need, you would just get newer versions of heartbeat/ldirector/iproute/ipvsadmin and a newer kernel |
| 15:55.50 | stew | Sysctl___: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 15:57.38 | themill | sebrock: ITP means "Intent To Package" |
| 15:58.03 | stew | so, not yet included but (maybe) being worked on |
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| 15:59.25 | sebrock | ok, themill, well I need to build a module myself but I'm not that experienced with this stuff yet, so would module-assistant help me there? |
| 16:00.34 | themill | sebrock: not unless that module has already been set up for working with module assistant. If it's already in the debian archive then the answer is probably; if it's not, then the answer is most likely no. |
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| 16:02.51 | sebrock | mmh, its a module for lirc latest CVS |
| 16:03.42 | sebrock | so probably not then :( |
| 16:05.08 | asldkjfas | Nyle how do i make entry in menu.lst for windows xp? |
| 16:05.14 | mot | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 16:05.26 | mot | i'm trying to add myself to vboxusers, cdrom, and plugdev |
| 16:05.28 | mot | =\ it |
| 16:05.49 | themill | dpkg: group |
| 16:05.49 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
| 16:05.51 | asldkjfas | mot adduser --help |
| 16:05.56 | mot | i did usermod -G but it just seems to overwrite whatever the last group was instead of appending |
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| 16:07.41 | asldkjfas | how do i change menu.lst (GRUB) so i can add another hdd that have windows xp on it? |
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| 16:08.25 | ejos | jhonny23, for some reason the proxy take you site as it would be move for another place, try to put this site as a no_cache dey 10.X.X.X and allway_direct allow same_ip |
| 16:08.33 | ejos | jhonny23, for some reason the proxy take you site as it would be move for another place, try to put this site as a no_cache dey 10.X.X.X and allway_direct allow same_ip |
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| 16:10.41 | SerajewelKS | asldkjfas: is the drive hd0 in grub or will it be something else? |
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| 16:11.52 | asldkjfas | serajewelks i am just using debian on this hdd i am on now. and i just have another 500 gb hdd i will install windows xp to then i want to add this separate hdd to grub so i can choose what operating system to use at boot time (i need windows for a specific program that you cant use in linux) |
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| 16:12.54 | asldkjfas | serajewelks if you want i can past out the GRUG menu.lst file for ya? in a pastbin |
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| 16:14.43 | asldkjfas | http://pastebin.com/d63e9cfe1 <<< my GRUB |
| 16:15.01 | PEBMAC | why do people use ipsec-tools setkey spdadd when racoon has an option on generate_policy? |
| 16:15.20 | Sysctl___ | Stew: Hi, ya, you are right and I'll try to do that, but its not possible at the moment, since they are live production servers. my issue really is that the firewall is thinking that its having a syn flood attack. the firewall support engineers claim the reason for this is that for some reason, our server doesn't close the tcp connection after, hence raising flags |
| 16:15.22 | helo | is there a good way that i can set a box up to, on startup, run gdm on one vterm, and log in a particular user on the next vterm (8)? |
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| 16:15.44 | Famic_Wrk | anyone can tell me what's the typical location of a dns server configuraiton file ? |
| 16:15.44 | noisesmith | what is the module to load to do ppp over firewire? |
| 16:15.58 | Sysctl___ | stew: i dont really know if upgrading to etch will solve that, as i dont really know what the problem lies |
| 16:16.18 | Sysctl___ | stew: but i suspect its with ldirectord |
| 16:16.21 | themill | !wayttd Famic_Wrk |
| 16:16.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Famic_Wrk? |
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| 16:17.18 | Famic_Wrk | dpkg: I want to see what zones are set on an old server |
| 16:17.19 | dpkg | Famic_Wrk: what are you talking about? |
| 16:17.34 | Famic_Wrk | ... |
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| 16:18.07 | themill | dpkg: bot |
| 16:18.07 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:18.39 | zoredache | !moo |
| 16:18.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 16:19.00 | themill | Famic_Wrk: look in /etc/bind, if you were using bind, that is. |
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| 16:19.36 | e0xa20 | IM SO BAKED AND DEBIAN IS SO COOL AND USEFUL |
| 16:19.47 | Famic_Wrk | themill : ok thanks |
| 16:20.26 | helo | valdyn: is it possible for me to run that (startx -- :1) from a startup script as a particular user? |
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| 16:20.43 | e0xa20 | OH MY GOD, DEBIAN GOT ME STONED |
| 16:20.54 | e0xa20 | IS THERE COMMAND TO UNISTALL THAT |
| 16:21.06 | zoredache | e0xa20: shutdown -h now |
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| 16:21.22 | e0xa20 | WHERE IS THAT INSTALLED ON THE BONG |
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| 16:21.45 | vjt | e0xa20, locate thc | xargs rm -f |
| 16:21.48 | vjt | :D |
| 16:21.54 | Nyle_ | e0xa20, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CAPSLOCK! |
| 16:21.56 | Nyle_ | jeez. |
| 16:22.12 | e0xa20 | Don't break my heart, my akey breaky hard |
| 16:22.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nyle_: He's trolling, just ignore him |
| 16:22.15 | e0xa20 | *heart |
| 16:22.18 | Nyle_ | ah |
| 16:22.26 | helo | valdyn: is it possible for me to run that (startx -- :1) from a startup script as a particular user? |
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| 16:22.31 | e0xa20 | no |
| 16:22.38 | stew | e0xa20: please keep it on-topic and keep your caps-lock off. do you actually have a debian related question? |
| 16:23.10 | techmago | Running lenny, from time to time when I start mplayer my whole X server crashes. Does anyone have that problem too? |
| 16:23.13 | Nyle_ | helo, sure, but if using a startup script just use X :1 (whatever args you want) and then exec whatever widowmanager or DE you want |
| 16:23.21 | Nyle_ | like startkde or startxfce4 or whatever |
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| 16:23.56 | helo | i want it to execute a user's .xsession |
| 16:23.58 | Nyle_ | techmago, check the mplayer on bts? |
| 16:24.09 | techmago | I have backtraces from /var/log/X.org.log |
| 16:24.38 | techmago | Nyle_: It happened once or twice with wine too |
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| 16:25.30 | helo | Nyle: i have gdm running on :0... will there be a potential race condition between gdm and the X :1 to be on vterm 7 or 8? |
| 16:25.40 | Nyle_ | no |
| 16:25.46 | Nyle_ | I run 3 X servers |
| 16:25.52 | Sysctl___ | looks like this place has descended into chais |
| 16:25.54 | Sysctl___ | chaos |
| 16:26.02 | Nyle_ | 2 are remote xdmcp sessions |
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| 16:26.12 | jdahm | why does debian foce me to use iceweasel, I installed swiftfox and removed iceweasel and it still says iceweasel in the menubar |
| 16:26.19 | Nyle_ | helo, just have enough ram |
| 16:26.30 | Nyle_ | 512 is good |
| 16:26.40 | Nyle_ | I don't kow if you will slow down with less with 2 xservers |
| 16:26.46 | Nyle_ | considering you already have gnome |
| 16:26.53 | helo | nah, ram is not a problem |
| 16:27.05 | Nyle_ | s/less/more |
| 16:27.16 | helo | would it be bad for me to put a line in inittab to respawn X as that user? |
| 16:27.26 | Nyle_ | I don't know that anwer |
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| 16:28.31 | jdahm | thinks this topic may not be so welcomed in #debian |
| 16:28.56 | maligor | why not? |
| 16:29.16 | jdahm | maligor: because no one answered, and I'm sure someone has had that experience |
| 16:29.34 | maligor | they might just not be alive at the moment |
| 16:30.07 | maligor | just make a new app launcher? |
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| 16:30.23 | Nyle_ | techmago, you are using testing, which is not 'stable' so maybe mplayer has a issue. Check the bts maybe |
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| 16:30.50 | prophile | my apt appears to be utterly broken. it keeps failing to install this one package (libpth20) but I can't do anything until it's installed |
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| 16:31.02 | Nyle_ | techmago, then again I'm on amd64 sid and I use mplayer from dmm not from debian |
| 16:31.23 | Nyle_ | prophile, what is the error messages you get, pastebin your output somewher? |
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| 16:31.37 | techmago | Nyle_: I just have gone through all mplayer bugs, but no X crashes. |
| 16:32.02 | stew | prophile: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:32.07 | prophile | Nyle_: http://pastebin.com/df72ff12 |
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| 16:32.10 | Nyle_ | then file one and include yoru backtraces maybe |
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| 16:32.29 | prophile | stew: ^ |
| 16:32.40 | Nyle_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libpth.so.20', which is also in package libpth2 |
| 16:32.45 | EE_BB | hii all How can I see installed packages ? |
| 16:32.47 | Nyle_ | it won't let you |
| 16:32.52 | Nyle_ | hang on brb busy |
| 16:32.59 | prophile | well, I can't do anything |
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| 16:33.21 | prophile | I can't use apt at all basically, because it tries to install this libpth whenever I try to do anything |
| 16:33.31 | prophile | I have no idea what it is, I don't want it, I'd love to just get rid of it |
| 16:33.59 | stew | prophile: this is a bug with the libpth20 package, you should file a bug with this output |
| 16:34.12 | prophile | how long do bugs take to get fixed? |
| 16:34.18 | prophile | typically |
| 16:34.24 | themill | prophile: is this a sarge box or an etch box? |
| 16:34.29 | stew | prophile: the libpth20 package should have control lines saying that it "Replaces: libpth2" and "Conflicts: libpth2" |
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| 16:34.45 | techmago | Maybe my backtrace helps? http://pastebin.com/d13536bd1 |
| 16:34.47 | prophile | argh, technical terms! :P |
| 16:34.51 | stew | prophile: "aptitude remove libpth2" will fix this bug |
| 16:34.52 | psilocyb1n | how to listen .wav files from commandline? |
| 16:35.00 | themill | stew: on etch, libpth2 is a virtual package that is provided by libpth20 |
| 16:35.04 | stew | psilocyb1n: aplay /path/to/wav |
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| 16:35.06 | stew | themill: yes |
| 16:35.08 | psilocyb1n | k. |
| 16:35.13 | techmago | psilocyb1n: mplayer *wav |
| 16:35.28 | stew | themill: it should have Replaces: as well as Provides: |
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| 16:35.39 | prophile | stew: righty |
| 16:35.46 | themill | stew: so aptitude install libpth20 libpth2- would work, wouldn't it? |
| 16:35.54 | stew | themill: yes |
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| 16:37.03 | muddd | uh if I have a udma5 and udma2 drive on the same ide channel, the 5 wont slow down to 2 to keep up will it? |
| 16:38.09 | zoredache | muddd: I believe that is true, but I am not certain |
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| 16:47.27 | alexs_ | I need to a run an apt repo over HTTPs, and etch's apt doesnt have https support. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:48.22 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: why are you trying to do that? |
| 16:48.42 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: if you want to be secure, that's the point of gpg signing. |
| 16:48.52 | alexs_ | Because I want to control access to the repo |
| 16:49.05 | alexs_ | And we use https certificates for that usually |
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| 16:49.29 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: how does https have anything to do with that? the certificates only prove to the client that the server is legitament. |
| 16:49.41 | nixbox | can i specify the interface to run dhcpd on explicitly in the dhcpd.conf? |
| 16:49.45 | zoredache | |Ryan52: Perhaps he is using client certs |
| 16:49.53 | alexs_ | They can also prove to the server that the client is legit |
| 16:49.56 | |Ryan52 | zoredache: then he should have mentioned that |
| 16:49.57 | alexs_ | SSL client certificates |
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| 16:50.03 | EE_BB | hii all How can I see installed packages ? |
| 16:50.05 | EE_BB | ?? |
| 16:50.27 | |Ryan52 | EE_BB: dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep -v deinstall |
| 16:50.28 | zoredache | EE_BB: 'dpkg --get-selections' is one way |
| 16:50.53 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: ya...I highly doubt apt can do that or ever will... |
| 16:50.54 | stew | EE_BB: aptitude search '~i' |
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| 16:51.09 | alexs_ | |Ryan52: curl and wget can do it |
| 16:51.17 | EE_BB | is there any parameter related with apt ? |
| 16:51.29 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: google search "apt https" |
| 16:51.46 | alexs_ | yes i know that https support is in ubstale |
| 16:51.58 | alexdb | EE_BB: or: dpkg -l | grep 'ii ' if you want to see the description |
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| 16:52.19 | EE_BB | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.30 | stew | alexs_: you shouldn't need https in order to verify that a repository is legit, you can do that by using the gpg verification built into apt, /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 16:52.46 | stew | EE_BB: you want 'grep .i' not 'grep 'ii ' |
| 16:52.54 | |Ryan52 | stew: he's doing (or trying to do) client certs |
| 16:53.04 | alexs_ | I'm not trying to verify the repository o.O |
| 16:53.10 | zoredache | or to put it another way... he wants access control and authorization |
| 16:53.34 | stew | sorry, i missed that |
| 16:53.59 | themill | alexs_: can you use ssh instead? Or just use htaccess restrictions? http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ |
| 16:54.00 | alexs_ | Does apt work over ssh? |
| 16:54.06 | themill | snap |
| 16:54.10 | alexs_ | ssh isnt in the man page though |
| 16:54.14 | |Ryan52 | alexs_: what? |
| 16:54.16 | infinitycircuit | alexs_: yes |
| 16:54.21 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: that misses packages which are on hold |
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| 16:54.23 | zoredache | alexs_: you could setup stunnel on your clients perhaps Then point apt at the stunnel client port |
| 16:54.26 | alexs_ | I guess that might work |
| 16:55.32 | alexs_ | hmm stunnel might be a good idea actually |
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| 16:56.09 | zoredache | alexs_: I am 95% sure it can handle client certs |
| 16:56.10 | Bushmills | alexdb: same, that misses packages on hold |
| 16:56.44 | themill | alexs_: man 5 sources.list includes the ssh protocol |
| 16:57.29 | alexs_ | themill: ah i was looking at man apt.conf |
| 16:57.43 | alexdb | Bushmills: good point :) |
| 16:59.16 | Bushmills | alexdb: stew corrected that already |
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| 17:00.27 | hoxu | firefox 3 in etch, is there a factoid about how to make it happen? It seems to require GTK+ >=2.10 :) |
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| 17:01.31 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: try getting it from sid too. (or however you are getting firefox 3) |
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| 17:02.11 | hoxu | |Ryan52, that does not sound like good advice... simple sid backport probably wouldn't be simple |
| 17:02.25 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: how are you getting firefox 3? |
| 17:02.29 | hoxu | plus, I'm just fine with with firefox 3 binaries from mozilla, as long as I can get the deps |
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| 17:05.31 | hoxu | http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ |
| 17:06.40 | themill | hoxu: stuff that for a joke.. |
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| 17:06.50 | hoxu | themill, wut? |
| 17:06.55 | masus | hi all, have installed tilda on debian etch, when i press F12 i get an error "gtk_window_resize: assertion 'height > 0' failed". Can anybody help ? Screenshot -> http://www.kodbank.com/Screenshot.png . Thanks a lot. |
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| 17:07.31 | masus | debian etch with xfce4 as windows manager |
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| 17:07.55 | Alfarin | Or, if you're really lame, just download FF3 for Windows, and run it in wine. |
| 17:07.57 | themill | hoxu: if I wanted to do that much work just to install ff3, I'd go and use gentoo or something silly like that. You're welcome to spend the next three weeks compiling it though if you want :) |
| 17:08.58 | hoxu | themill, from quick glance, it's just advice on how to use the tarball binaries, no compiling :P |
| 17:09.11 | infinitycircuit | firefox 3 was in portage 7 hours after release and compiled in under 5 min |
| 17:09.21 | infinitycircuit | xulrunner-1.9 took 3x as long though |
| 17:09.25 | infinitycircuit | :) |
| 17:09.55 | hoxu | I thought it takes really really long to compile |
| 17:09.59 | infinitycircuit | it used to |
| 17:10.08 | infinitycircuit | now they switched it so xulrunner takes forever to compile |
| 17:10.11 | infinitycircuit | and firefox compiles fast |
| 17:10.22 | infinitycircuit | it relates to how they link the libraries i think |
| 17:10.26 | themill | hoxu: each of the libraries there are being compiled. |
| 17:10.32 | hoxu | infinitycircuit, and total compiling time changed to 150%? :p |
| 17:10.48 | hoxu | themill, not the firefox binary though? |
| 17:10.53 | infinitycircuit | i don't know the exact times my gentoo box is not in a functional state lol |
| 17:11.04 | themill | hoxu: yay... you only have to compile everything else.... :S |
| 17:11.10 | masus | :/ |
| 17:11.15 | path_ | anyone knows what happens with dpkg? it seems installs more than the neccesary packages |
| 17:11.36 | chops | path_: Which specific packages? |
| 17:11.47 | path_ | installing imagemagick on lenny it also installs some unrelated libraries |
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| 17:11.55 | chops | path_: What libraries? |
| 17:11.56 | hoxu | path_, it's the fscking recommends thing |
| 17:11.58 | path_ | using apt-get |
| 17:11.58 | wols | path_: dpkg only installs what you tell it to. do you mean apt? |
| 17:11.59 | themill | path_: dpkg only does exactly what it's told. |
| 17:12.00 | hoxu | !recommends |
| 17:12.09 | hoxu | hey... |
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| 17:12.23 | themill | path_: specifically what libraries |
| 17:13.37 | infinitycircuit | path_: see if apt-get -o APT::Install-Recommends="0" install imagemagick. if it gives you a result you prefer you can add APT::Install-Recommends "0"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local |
| 17:14.14 | path_ | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg518075.html that issue |
| 17:14.46 | path_ | for what I've seen its usually better aptitude than apt-get |
| 17:15.00 | path_ | thanks for the attention BTW guys :) |
| 17:15.12 | hoxu | !apt recommends |
| 17:15.12 | dpkg | well, apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 17:15.17 | hoxu | infinitycircuit, feel free to edit :p |
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| 17:15.46 | path_ | hoxu so its a conf-related issue ? |
| 17:15.55 | path_ | I'll check it out right away |
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| 17:16.11 | chops | path_: It's actually a bug in some package |
| 17:16.11 | hoxu | path_, without checking the particular packages, I'd guess so, if that doesn't help, then there's nothing you can do |
| 17:16.25 | infinitycircuit | path_: you can also just run "aptitude" and then go to C-T -> prefs -> disable install recommends |
| 17:16.28 | hoxu | no wait, you can submit bug reports |
| 17:16.29 | chops | path_: But it's quite common, so a lot of people prefer to solve it by never installing recommended packages |
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| 17:16.40 | hoxu | infinitycircuit, which didn't work at least some time ago |
| 17:16.54 | hoxu | I don't know if it's fixed yet |
| 17:17.12 | infinitycircuit | it just worked on this brand new install |
| 17:17.36 | hoxu | lenny? |
| 17:17.39 | path_ | hoxu, havent checked on BTW it may be already reported |
| 17:17.39 | infinitycircuit | oh no sid |
| 17:17.44 | path_ | yep hoxu, lenny |
| 17:17.58 | path_ | s/BTW/BTS |
| 17:18.53 | chops | hoxu: It doesn't look specifically related to the QT issue, but I have a bug open about the general djvulibre sloppiness with recommends |
| 17:18.59 | chops | hoxu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472347 |
| 17:19.23 | hoxu | infernixx, looks like some of the bugs have been fixed at least |
| 17:19.35 | hoxu | *infinitycircuit |
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| 17:22.20 | chops | hoxu: Yeah, for one thing imagemagick doesn't install iceweasel anymore :-) |
| 17:23.01 | hoxu | !start an install-recommends war |
| 17:23.01 | dpkg | apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob* |
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| 17:23.13 | path_ | chops I'll keep that in mind :) |
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| 17:23.33 | path_ | just is always interesting if it is a bug or not |
| 17:23.40 | path_ | at least for me |
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| 17:23.41 | hoxu | wonders who came up with the thought of automatically installing recommends in the first place |
| 17:23.49 | path_ | hahaha |
| 17:23.57 | hoxu | _by default_ |
| 17:24.30 | alexdb | might be a debian contributor working for a hardrive vendor |
| 17:24.36 | themill | hoxu: installing recommended packages by default isn't the problem; in fact it's a good thing in 99+% of cases. The problem we are having is just with Recommends that should be Suggests. |
| 17:24.38 | chops | hoxu: It's a good idea -- recommends is supposed to mean "needed on almost all installations". The fault lies either with the package maintainers for misusing it to mean "Suggests", or with Debian policy for being too complicated for the maintainers to understand. |
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| 17:25.42 | hoxu | themill, well yeah, the guy who recommended installing recommended should've made go through all the tens of thousands of packages to fix the recommends to suggests where appropriate. |
| 17:26.12 | themill | hoxu: that wasn't actually going to happen until it was turned on by default though, was it? |
| 17:26.58 | hoxu | depends on whether a locked basement is involved in the equation :p |
| 17:27.17 | chops | hoxu: Making Debian developers responsible for fixing any bug that they were responsible for exposing would not be a good plan... |
| 17:27.56 | hoxu | chops, very good point :) |
| 17:28.03 | themill | And let's face it, on the scale of breakage that we can (and have recently) experienced, this is pretty damned minor. |
| 17:28.07 | chops | hoxu: I think there was most of a year's advance warning before it went on by default, with explicit requests to fix your packages if they use "Recommends" inappropriately. |
| 17:28.18 | helo | is there a guide to setting up virtual installs of debian inside an install for debugging? i'm running lenny, but i'd like to create a few virtual hosts that run etch, that will be able to speak to each other over a virtual subnet accessible from the host machine |
| 17:28.42 | hoxu | chops, warning where? Didn't see any ;) |
| 17:28.44 | chops | hoxu: I think the real problem is that there are situations like dvjulibre where a series of _almost_ reasonable, not carefully-considered decisions have added up to something seriously nonsensical. |
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| 17:28.56 | chops | hoxu: debian-devel-announce I think |
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| 17:29.20 | hoxu | !tell helo about debootstrap |
| 17:29.24 | hoxu | !tell helo about user-mode linux |
| 17:29.28 | hoxu | hrmh |
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| 17:29.36 | hoxu | !tell helo about uml |
| 17:29.47 | stoned | ultimate markup language? |
| 17:29.51 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:33.03 | luxid |  oggi è il download day! aiuta firefox ad entrare nel guinnes dei primati con il massimo numero di download in 24 ore! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/it/worldrecord entro le 20 di oggi |
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| 17:33.42 | stoned | !fr |
| 17:33.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:33.54 | stoned | i think thats french |
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| 17:33.57 | stoned | eitherway i have no idea |
| 17:33.59 | stoned | !ff3 |
| 17:33.59 | dpkg | ff3 is probably just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it - Currently broken in sid with bug numbers #486673 #486354 #484270 |
| 17:34.26 | stoned | i'll check bts later and see if anything was resolved |
| 17:34.41 | hoxu | luxh, spamming for a "good thing" is still spamming, please don't do it |
| 17:34.57 | themill | stoned: Italian, actually. |
| 17:35.01 | stoned | ahh |
| 17:35.08 | stoned | hoxu, I didn't spam anything. |
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| 17:35.34 | stoned | it was not stupid, or pointless, or annoying, but yes, it was a message |
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| 17:36.20 | chops | stoned: You didn't spam anything, hence his message was not addressed to you. Logic! |
| 17:36.36 | stoned | ok |
| 17:36.43 | stew | his message was addressed to luxh, who also didn't spam anything |
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| 17:37.16 | hoxu | I think I'm suffering from wols' tab-completion syndrome |
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| 17:41.01 | stoned | hoxu, oh sorry i missed the first part of your sentence where yo uaddressed the other guy |
| 17:41.02 | stoned | my bad |
| 17:41.39 | helo | does kqemu require certain processors to get its speedup? |
| 17:41.52 | hoxu | stoned, no problem |
| 17:42.05 | valdyn | helo: no |
| 17:42.07 | OlaX | helo: nope |
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| 17:42.53 | cruxeter1us | Is there a way to keep apt-get from automatically starting services after installing them? |
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| 17:43.19 | wols | cruxeter1us: why? |
| 17:43.34 | stoned | i think there is unpack only option arg |
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| 17:43.44 | cruxeter1us | stoned: Cool, thanks. |
| 17:43.59 | wols | cruxeter1us: won't help. packages need to be configured too |
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| 17:44.18 | stoned | but why though? (check the dpkg manpage for unpack only) but that won't help you much as the package will get setup properly |
| 17:44.29 | stoned | will not* |
| 17:44.46 | hoxu | cruxeter1us, man update-rc.d |
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| 17:45.18 | wols | hoxu: that's no good either, at least not for his problem. those services are started via debconf script |
| 17:45.19 | chops | cruxeter1us: Which package? |
| 17:45.33 | cruxeter1us | the reason is I'm bootstrapping into a chroot.. and it's annoying to have all these services start |
| 17:46.08 | stew | cruxeter1us: there must be a way, pbuilder does this somehow |
| 17:46.08 | chops | cruxeter1us: I don't know of a good general solution to that (other than to boot into the chroot as early as possible and install services on the live system), unfortunately |
| 17:46.17 | stoned | you can bootstrap into a chroot? I thought you bootstrap it firrs then chroot into it |
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| 17:46.27 | cruxeter1us | chops: ok, I was just asking if anyone knew a way :) |
| 17:46.49 | cruxeter1us | stew: Ah, I'll take a look at pbuilder.. thanks |
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| 17:48.47 | stew | cruxeter1us: i believe it involves policy-rc.d which is mentioned in invoke-rc.d manpage |
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| 17:49.53 | masus | hi all, have installed tilda on debian etch, when i press F12 i get an error "gtk_window_resize: assertion 'height > 0' failed". Can anybody help ? Screenshot -> http://www.kodbank.com/Screenshot.png . Thanks a lot. |
| 17:50.00 | masus | debian etch with xfce4 as window manager |
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| 17:50.45 | stew | cruxeter1us: yes, pbuilder seems to use a policy-rc.d that only allows makdedev and x11-common to start |
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| 17:51.36 | cruxeter1us | stew: sweet, that looks like it will work... thanks again :) |
| 17:52.07 | stew | cruxeter1us: http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
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| 17:53.25 | stew | !dpkg policy-rc.d is mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
| 17:53.25 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 17:53.35 | stew | !policy-rc.d is mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
| 17:53.35 | dpkg | i already had it that way, stew |
| 17:54.01 | stew | wow it was smart enough to deal with the double addressing |
| 17:54.09 | chops | !policy-rc.d =~ s/is mechanism/is a mechanism/ |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'is mechanism', chops |
| 17:54.25 | hoxu | dpkg, chops is a grammar nazi |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
| 17:54.36 | hoxu | :> |
| 17:54.37 | chops | !policy-rc.d =~ s/mechanism/a mechanism/ |
| 17:54.37 | dpkg | OK, chops |
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| 17:55.02 | chops | !chops |
| 17:55.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, chops is a grammar nazi |
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| 17:55.08 | chops | Excellent :-) |
| 17:56.24 | cloakable | hehe |
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| 17:59.28 | stoned | a grammar national socialist |
| 17:59.33 | stoned | wow, profound. |
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| 18:02.25 | hautesecure | hello |
| 18:02.34 | hautesecure | can anyone help me with getting some deps installe |
| 18:02.34 | hautesecure | d |
| 18:02.53 | wols | don't ask to ask hautesecure |
| 18:02.53 | infinitycircuit | hautesecure: what is your issue? |
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| 18:04.07 | xingu | wonders if he should be shot for thinking that vista media centre might work across rdp |
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| 18:06.46 | nkuttler | uh, what's that... i need to load dynamic extension from the config file with libapache2-mod-php5... wasn't necessary in php4.. |
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| 18:07.27 | lg | hello an program simple for win or linux for compile prova.c on machine x86 binary for mipsel? |
| 18:08.32 | mbroeker | lg, i think you are looking for a cross-compiler. |
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| 18:08.56 | lg | mbroeker: which programm? |
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| 18:09.28 | mbroeker | lg, a cross compiler is a complete toolchain for the target host/ target machine |
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| 18:10.02 | lg | mbroeker: im is not expert pls link.. |
| 18:10.04 | easytiger | can you apply the contents of /etc/securtiy.limits.conf without rebooting ?? |
| 18:10.05 | mbroeker | lg, eg the mingw cross compiler can produce windows binary on a linux host |
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| 18:10.25 | \amethyst | easytiger: they affect new logins |
| 18:10.43 | lg | mingw? |
| 18:10.43 | \amethyst | easytiger: you don't have to reboot, but they won't affect someone already logged in until they log back in |
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| 18:11.22 | mbroeker | lg, the first google hit: try it: http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs162/sp07/Nachos/xgcc.shtml |
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| 18:14.32 | easytiger | \amethyst: cool. works as a different user |
| 18:15.31 | lg | mbroeker: ar as cc1 cc1plus cpp0 mips-ar mips-as mips-cc1 mips-cc1plus mips-cpp mips-gcc mips-ld mips-nm mips-ranlib mips-strip |
| 18:15.44 | lg | ./ what use for compile prova.c? |
| 18:16.01 | mbroeker | mips-gcc -o prova prova.c |
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| 18:18.46 | lg | mbroeker: mips-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory |
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| 18:20.02 | mbroeker | lg, i think you need to add it to your path |
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| 18:20.23 | lg | i have x86 |
| 18:20.32 | lg | mv cc1 /bin ? |
| 18:20.50 | wols | lg: no. install build-essential |
| 18:20.56 | wols | it wants your x86 compiler |
| 18:21.24 | lg | build-essential è già alla versione più recente. |
| 18:21.24 | lg | 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati. |
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| 18:22.00 | lg | mv cc1 /bin |
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| 18:22.49 | mbroeker | lg assume you have installed this binary to /opt/mips/mips-x86.linux-xgcc/ enter export PATH=/opt/mips/mips-x86.linux-xgcc/:$PATH and try again |
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| 18:23.28 | lg | /home/raf/mips-x86.linux-xgcc |
| 18:23.31 | lg | is error? |
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| 18:23.59 | mbroeker | it doesnt matter, lg, export PATH=/home/raf/mips-x86.linux-xgcc:$PATH |
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| 18:24.50 | lg | export PATH=/home/raf/mips-x86.linux-xgcc:$PATH ? |
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| 18:25.21 | lg | mips-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory |
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| 18:27.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 18:27.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me install the nvidia drivers? Neither the debian way (tm) nor using nvidia-installer seems to work |
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| 18:28.16 | lg | mbroeker: why? |
| 18:28.17 | mbroeker | lg, the rest is missing. it doesn't work |
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| 18:28.38 | mbroeker | mbroeker@largo:~$ mips-gcc -o main main.c |
| 18:28.38 | mbroeker | main.c:1:19: no include path in which to find stdio.h |
| 18:29.04 | mbroeker | look for a mips package for debian. i think its better. |
| 18:30.47 | Rockj | anyone experienced with mdadm useage? |
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| 18:31.09 | sts | hello folks. |
| 18:31.17 | Rockj | I recently just installed debian using debootstrap and stuff like that, and after reboot it needs to do a couple of fsck's on the devices... |
| 18:31.21 | sts | how can i restore my /dev directory? |
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| 18:31.44 | sts | i accedently deleted the device nods when i ran rm -rf over a chrooted environment. |
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| 18:31.47 | Rockj | INFO: task mdX_resynch ... blocked fore more than 120 seconds. , is that message normal to receive? |
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| 18:32.02 | stew | sts: are you running udev? |
| 18:32.23 | sts | debian etch. but udev isn't installed. |
| 18:33.01 | stew | sts: then cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV generic ; "man MAKEDEV" to see what else you might want to create besides generic |
| 18:33.50 | sts | eww. stew: "Cannot read /proc/devices" |
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| 18:34.30 | jelly-home | sts: mount -t proc proc /proc ? |
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| 18:35.53 | jelly-home | sts: or, since it's a chroot you can also bind-mount it from outside |
| 18:36.09 | sts | stew: /proc was deleted as well. at least some of it. |
| 18:36.26 | valdyn | sts: "some of it" ? |
| 18:36.33 | sts | jelly-home: no, it's already mounted. |
| 18:36.45 | sts | valdyn: /proc/devices seems to be missing. |
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| 18:36.59 | valdyn | sts: you cant delete files in /proc |
| 18:37.15 | jelly-home | sts: inconceivable |
| 18:37.35 | sts | jelly-home: no. i created a chroot environment some time back ago, and i mounted /dev and /proc to the apropiate relative paths of my chroot environment |
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| 18:38.22 | sts | jelly-home: i didn't considered theses mount points as still beeing mounted. |
| 18:38.31 | stew | sts: /proc isn't a real fileysstem. you can't delete files from /proc |
| 18:38.38 | sts | jelly-home: and i ran rm -rf /chroots |
| 18:38.44 | sts | stew: ok. |
| 18:38.55 | sts | but why is /proc/devices missing? |
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| 18:39.14 | jelly-home | sts: and /path/to/chroot/proc exists? |
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| 18:39.39 | sts | jelly-home: i restarted the system meanwhile. |
| 18:40.01 | sts | jelly-home: so the chroot isn't mounted anymore. |
| 18:40.05 | stew | sts: is /proc mounted ? |
| 18:40.33 | sts | stew: proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 18:40.41 | sts | stew: yeah. |
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| 18:40.54 | jelly-home | sts: so /proc/devices simply does not exist on your system, regardless of any chroot issues? |
| 18:41.04 | stew | sts: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:41.06 | sts | ewwww |
| 18:41.25 | sts | stew: /proc/devices doesn't exist on the other system as well. |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | didn't hear of ewwww OS version |
| 18:41.49 | valdyn | sts: what is in your /proc ? |
| 18:42.07 | sts | stew: it's a virtual system (openvz). |
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| 18:42.19 | stew | sts: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:42.50 | sts | stew: 2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5-enterprise |
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| 18:47.16 | sts | ok. so the system is actually running openvz. within a openvz cotainer, I accidently deleted stuff from /chroot/proc and /chroot/dev. There shouldn't be much missing in /proc because it's not a filesystem. ok. but i still cannot restore /dev stuff using /sbin/makedev, because it's trying to access /proc/devices, which seems not to exist on OpenVZ VEs. |
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| 18:47.34 | sts | any ideas how i could proceed futher on resolving this issue? |
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| 18:50.01 | jelly-home | sts: tar up dev entries from somewhere else, or look at MAKEDEV code and create the stuff you need manually? |
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| 18:51.27 | jelly-home | sts: or run "MAKEDEV -n generic" on some machine that has /proc/devices |
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| 18:54.46 | sts | ok. i managed to restore it using makedev. |
| 18:54.53 | sts | & /sbin/MAKEDEV ptyp |
| 18:55.05 | sepski | what is the most recent/commonly in use tool for hibernating (to disk) a lenny laptop ? |
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| 18:55.15 | ll | mbroeker here? |
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| 18:57.40 | infinitycircuit | sepski: pm-utils |
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| 19:01.11 | SeveredCross | Wait, whut? |
| 19:01.27 | SeveredCross | Woops, wrong channel. |
| 19:01.27 | tomfmason | anyone familiar with DFind? I keep seeing it comeup in my logs. I know that it is vulnerability tester/probe. Normally I wouldn't really be all that worried about it but I am seeing internal dummy connections a few seconds to a minute after I see DFind in my logs. Here is an excerpt from my logs http://pastie.org/217446 . I wrote a nice little bash script that I use for doing a few useful things witth the logs(http://pastie.org/214490) but I am not |
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| 19:02.36 | jelly-home | tomfmason: that's not DFind, that's something else saying hi to those guys that wrote DFind methinks |
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| 19:03.08 | keith4 | can anyone share any experience with GFS on debian, positive or negative? |
| 19:03.09 | jelly-home | tomfmason: google it. |
| 19:03.32 | keith4 | I'm wondering if it's a viable distributed file system solution |
| 19:04.40 | tomfmason | jelly-home: googling now :P.. thanks. also that was an older version of that bash script. here is the most recent http://pastie.org/214778 |
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| 19:05.50 | luxh | hoxu ;> |
| 19:06.44 | jelly-home | tomfmason: I wouldn't rob you of the experience of finding http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=900 |
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| 19:08.24 | jelly-home | tomfmason: oh wait, it seems to be DFind. Sorry. |
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| 19:08.52 | ovm | hi, how can i add new apps to my AWN ? |
| 19:09.00 | jelly-home | it's DFind saying w00tw00t to guys at ISC |
| 19:09.22 | ovm | per example an icon which i have in my desktop, to AWN toolbar |
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| 19:10.46 | tomfmason | jelly-home: ah, so is it cause for alarm? It never comes from the same ip more than twice so I am not really sure what i can do about it. I guess I could add a rewrite or something to drop those connections but other than that I am not really sure what can be done about it |
| 19:12.04 | jelly-home | tomfmason: it's a script using a tool to scan for vulnerable webapps, ime. |
| 19:12.25 | jelly-home | I just ignore it. :-| |
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| 19:15.07 | chops | tomfmason: You'll also see scanners trying to find vulnerable ssh accounts from time to time |
| 19:15.16 | Doa | hi |
| 19:15.19 | chops | tomfmason: Vulnerability scanners are part of being on the public internet IME |
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| 19:17.02 | mkink | whois delYsid |
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| 19:17.38 | Saar | if i want to change fstab to mount an ext3 filesystem -o noatime, would that work by just putting noatime under the fs_mntops part? Or should it be -o natime? |
| 19:17.48 | Saar | noatime |
| 19:17.50 | \amethyst | Saar: just noatime |
| 19:17.54 | Saar | ok thanks |
| 19:18.07 | ll | chops: yes |
| 19:18.20 | \amethyst | Saar: for example, I have defaults,noatime,errors=remount-ro,acl |
| 19:19.28 | Saar | right |
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| 19:22.37 | mkink | #whois delYsid |
| 19:22.56 | mkink | #whois adama |
| 19:23.26 | mkink | #whis adama |
| 19:23.37 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.41 | tomfmason | chops: yeah I use denyhosts for ssh. I am working on a few bash scripts for apache. |
| 19:23.44 | tomfmason | ;p; |
| 19:23.47 | tomfmason | lol* even |
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| 19:24.55 | mkink | #join blinux |
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| 19:25.42 | chops | tomfmason: Even better than that is just to make sure you're not vulnerable :-) |
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| 19:27.24 | jacko- | whats up yall, anybody know where i can find the first x86 sarge iso? sarge seems to have been dropped from the mirrors but it hasn't made it into the archived distributions section yet. |
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| 19:27.56 | jacko- | i found an outdated mirror in new zealand that has it, but the download is painfully slow |
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| 19:28.15 | abrotman | !tell mkink about irc primer |
| 19:28.39 | abrotman | jacko-: it's on the archives |
| 19:28.45 | ovm | hi |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:28.57 | ovm | how can i to put a new program in the awn ? |
| 19:29.13 | ovm | per example "audacity" |
| 19:29.17 | stew | ovm: what is the awn? |
| 19:29.30 | ovm | avant window navigator, is a dock of mac os x |
| 19:29.54 | jacko- | abrotman: thanks! i was looking here - http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 19:30.12 | stew | ovm: have you checked /usr/share/doc/avant-window-navigator ? |
| 19:30.13 | dondelelcaro | jacko-: that's archive.debian.org, not cdimage.debian.org |
| 19:30.21 | ovm | stew, see this: http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac |
| 19:30.26 | dondelelcaro | jacko-: sarge is still oldstable, and as such hasn't moved to archive.debian.org |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | jacko-: fyi .. there is no more security support for sarge |
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| 19:31.38 | jacko- | yeah, im in an odd situation, we're trying to move to etch asap, but it's difficult to do remote dist upgrades w/o risk of downtime |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | jacko-: you'll get that finished .. and it'll be time to do lenny :) |
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| 19:32.38 | chops | jacko-: What are you planning to use the sarge install CD for exactly? |
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| 19:32.54 | jacko- | hehehe yeah, i havent done a dist upgrade since slink/potato |
| 19:33.02 | sulo | hi |
| 19:33.24 | chops | jacko-: What do you do instead? |
| 19:33.31 | chops | jacko-: I'm not following you. |
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| 19:34.00 | jacko- | chops: i need sarge to support a commercial app, but the hardware im installing on is so new the e1000 chipset isnt supported by the stock sarge kernel |
| 19:34.10 | sulo | something just made the font in the tty capital letters only. I'm running etch. yesterday I added the debian-multimedia repository. might that have something to do with it? |
| 19:34.16 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 19:34.17 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 19:34.20 | jacko- | so the netinstall wont work, and i have yet to build a working pxe+debian-installer environment |
| 19:34.25 | chops | sulo: You might have entered your login in all caps |
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| 19:34.40 | jacko- | kenshimoto's sarge install has an etch libc backported |
| 19:34.44 | sulo | chops: what do you mean? |
| 19:34.47 | jacko- | which causes problems for my app |
| 19:35.00 | chops | sulo: If you log in using all caps, your terminal will be in all caps. |
| 19:35.17 | sulo | chops: you mean log in, typing my user name in caps? |
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| 19:35.47 | chops | jacko-: Make sure you include the time you're spending now in the cost-benefit analysis you present about the cost of this commercial app as opposed to a free software alternative :-) |
| 19:35.54 | chops | sulo: Yes |
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| 19:36.45 | jacko- | chops: its an in-house app, if it were up to me it wouldnt even have been written in C, but i'm not a big decision maker |
| 19:36.51 | sulo | chops: okay. I learnt something new. thanks :-) |
| 19:36.56 | ovm | how can i to put a new program in the awn ? |
| 19:37.44 | chops | jacko-: Do you know at all what it does that makes it incompatible with newer licb6s? |
| 19:37.49 | chops | *libc6s |
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| 19:38.33 | stew | ovm: have you checked /usr/share/doc/avant-window-navigator ? |
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| 19:38.47 | ovm | what have i to check there? |
| 19:38.59 | chops | ovm: You won't know until you look, now will you? :-) |
| 19:39.00 | stew | ovm: check for documentation that would tell you how to add new programs to it |
| 19:39.07 | jacko- | chops: im not sure exactly, or if that is really even the problem. the app developer ran it through gdb or looked at it w/strace and said certain branches of the logic aren't executing. also, the kenshimuto disk i used resulted in a system w/package conflicts that prevent me from installing build-essential |
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| 19:39.28 | chops | jacko-: Odd |
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| 19:39.33 | ampex2 | jack_: can't build an e1000 driver after install? |
| 19:39.38 | ampex2 | jacko- rather |
| 19:39.47 | chops | jacko-: I used kmuto to install sarge+new kernel a while back, and I never had problems using the system after |
| 19:40.14 | chops | jacko-: "Certain branches of the logic aren't executing" sounds pretty vague :-) |
| 19:40.23 | jacko- | ampex2: i have a kernel pkg built for it, i just needed the full install iso because the netinst iso wouldn't work without recent network drivers. |
| 19:41.13 | ampex2 | jacko-: isn't the full install iso still available? |
| 19:41.27 | jacko- | chops: yeah, unfortunately i'm not in a political position to push that. at this point im required to rollback from the kenshimuto install and do it on a vanilla sarge + my kernel pkg install |
| 19:41.28 | keith4 | always keep a 3c905x sitting around, just in case you need to netinstall. can always remove it later |
| 19:41.37 | jacko- | ampex2: yes, i just couldnt find it, i got it now tho thx |
| 19:41.55 | Jemt | Why is it recommended to build the nvidia-module using the Module Assistent over using the nvidia-kernel-XXX ? (reading the wiki; http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) |
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| 19:43.02 | Jemt | The wiki states: "There are four different methods of installing the kernel module. Try the first one first." - and the installation process using the Module Assistent comes first |
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| 19:47.06 | jacko- | are sarge -> etch distupgrades working consistently? does anyone have experience launching that remotely w/ssh without killing the process halfway through? |
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| 19:47.14 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 19:47.34 | uzbek | is there a program to combine two or more pdf files in one? |
| 19:47.40 | chops | jacko-: Yes, remotely over ssh is a very supported way of upgrading sarge->etch |
| 19:47.44 | dondelelcaro | uzbek: pdftk |
| 19:47.47 | dondelelcaro | jacko-: I've never stopped halfway through |
| 19:47.50 | chops | !tell jacko- about sarge->etch |
| 19:47.56 | uzbek | dondelelcaro, thanx |
| 19:48.45 | jacko- | chops: thx! |
| 19:48.50 | chops | jacko-: np |
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| 19:56.30 | x|e | I was reading about encrypting /home directories.. is it better security or what? I'm interested in doing as much as I possible can to secure my system, so any ideas would be greatly appreciated. |
| 19:56.42 | ErikRose | I have my own local APT repository. What the simplest way to grab a package from another repository and upload it into mine? |
| 19:57.14 | Jemt | Will I get conflicts if installing both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy ? Or will I get two different nVidia drivers? Or will the 'nvidia' driver support both new and older cards ? |
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| 19:57.32 | Jemt | (I need support for as many nVidia cards as possible as I do a lot of testing) |
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| 19:58.46 | chops | x|e: If you're worried about people with physical access to your computer bypassing access restrictions of your OS, then encrypting your /home will help. |
| 19:59.13 | chops | x|e: Encrypting /home will not help with people who gain unauthorized access to your machine remotely |
| 19:59.43 | x|e | chops, ok then no I'm not worried as no one in this house knows how to use linux besides me :) |
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| 20:01.06 | wols | Jemt: you can only install one nvidia driver |
| 20:01.24 | wols | Jemt: and legacy will not support new 9xxx cards for example |
| 20:01.41 | wols | Jemt: you can actually install both but only one will be used |
| 20:01.43 | SeveredCross | Anyone here have any experience with MegaHAL? |
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| 20:01.47 | Jemt | Ah, bugger. I need two computers then :-/ |
| 20:01.51 | wols | !tell SeveredCross about anyone |
| 20:01.56 | Jemt | wols: It is possible to switch between them ? |
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| 20:02.24 | wols | Jemt: not really. possible yes, but how: you need to do it on your own |
| 20:02.58 | SeveredCross | wols: Thanks for the useless trigger. ;) |
| 20:02.58 | Jemt | Okay. What about performing uninstall and then install of the driver needed ? |
| 20:03.06 | SeveredCross | I love your kind of people. |
| 20:03.19 | SeveredCross | I need someone who can tell me why the hell the bot won't talk when it's supposed to in IRC. |
| 20:03.23 | wols | SeveredCross: thanks for your useless spam |
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| 20:03.24 | SeveredCross | That better for you? |
| 20:03.41 | DNC_005 | Hi all |
| 20:03.47 | DNC_005 | how would i go about copying a hard disk from a laptop to a desktop over the lan? |
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| 20:04.04 | DNC_005 | I want to just copy over my laptop installation beacuse i love it so much |
| 20:04.04 | wols | DNC_005: depends a bit what you want to copy exactly |
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| 20:04.22 | DNC_005 | The entire hard disk, /home / and /boot and the mbr |
| 20:04.29 | wols | lots of way, dd, cp -a, etc |
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| 20:04.40 | DNC_005 | over the lan? |
| 20:05.13 | Alfarin | DNC_005> driver issues after deploy aside, you'd probably get the job done better if you look into imaging software |
| 20:05.16 | wols | mount the other, use scp, etc |
| 20:05.27 | wols | Alfarin: what is dd? |
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| 20:05.39 | wols | Alfarin: and what driver issues? it's the same kernel |
| 20:05.59 | chops | DNC_005: One feasible way is: ssh username@blah 'sudo tar c --one-file-system /' | sudo tar x |
| 20:06.04 | Alfarin | he's looking to copy things from his laptop to desktop; surely the hardware are different |
| 20:06.06 | wols | Alfarin: linux is not windows. you can copy it over just fine |
| 20:06.15 | Alfarin | so he'd need to redo the xorg conf to some extent |
| 20:06.16 | wols | Alfarin: but the debian kernel isn't |
| 20:06.36 | chops | Alfarin: He'd also have to change /etc/hostname |
| 20:06.37 | wols | that's about the only thing IF he doesn't use vesa for example as etch likes to by default |
| 20:06.41 | DNC_005 | i can handle the config things, i just need a method to do the data transfer |
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| 20:06.53 | Alfarin | yes, that too... because two devices can't have same hostname... |
| 20:06.58 | wols | DNC_005: nfs, scp, etc |
| 20:07.00 | wols | rsync |
| 20:07.06 | chops | DNC_005: Make sure to do that from an empty directory if you don't understand it completely :-) |
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| 20:08.22 | chops | DNC_005: "Imaging" isn't such a special class of copying on Linux as it is on Windows... generally just copying the files (using an option like 'cp -a'), and then reinstalling the bootloader from the target system, is sufficient |
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| 20:08.39 | DNC_005 | would it be possible to say install ubuntu then upgrade to debian? |
| 20:08.45 | chops | DNC_005: No |
| 20:08.53 | DNC_005 | the netinstall is putting me off |
| 20:08.55 | twobitwork | I'm passing the kernel "console=tty0 console=ttyS0" ... shouldn't this work to have a console on both the phys console and the serial console? |
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| 20:09.03 | wols | DNC_005: why? |
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| 20:09.12 | chops | DNC_005: Well, it would be possible to try, but the system you arrived at would not be anything in particular and would not be guaranteed to work at all |
| 20:09.16 | DNC_005 | if i mess it up, i have to download packages all over again |
| 20:09.24 | DNC_005 | is there a daily built installer disk? |
| 20:09.26 | wols | twobitwork: only for the kernel itself possibly. not for getty or login |
| 20:09.31 | DNC_005 | with the latest packages? |
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| 20:09.35 | wols | DNC_005: there is but you should not use it |
| 20:09.43 | wols | unless you want to test that installer |
| 20:09.58 | wols | twobitwork: read the serial console howto |
| 20:10.00 | Snadder | When I start firefox3 in lenny I get: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjemalloc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:10.04 | DNC_005 | i'm trying to get to sid |
| 20:10.21 | wols | Snadder: then install that library /msg dpkg search |
| 20:10.37 | wols | Snadder: if it still doesn't work, ask the mozilla people |
| 20:10.41 | chops | DNC_005: How are you concerned you might mess it up? There are any number of ways that an install can fail to work, but most of them don't get as far as downloading a large number of packages |
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| 20:10.58 | Snadder | wols: I've tried to find the librarty without luck |
| 20:11.01 | chops | Snadder: How did you install FF3? |
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| 20:11.16 | Snadder | chops, I just downloaded it from firefox.com and started it. |
| 20:11.34 | Snadder | chops, maybe it exists in lenny? |
| 20:11.54 | chops | Snadder: It exists in sid, don't think in lenny |
| 20:12.07 | wols | Snadder: then ask firefox.com about it (it's part of xulrunner). and no the debian xulrunner will not work |
| 20:12.22 | wols | Snadder: your download is incomplete basically |
| 20:12.22 | chops | Snadder: If you're okay with briefly upgrading some packages to their sid versions, you can add sid to your sources.list, upgrade, and then go back to testing. |
| 20:12.24 | Alfarin | as far as I'm aware of, mozilla doesn't distribute ff specifically for any distro... so you'd need to ask the people who packaged it for you (IE: firefox.com) about that |
| 20:12.41 | chops | Snadder: Of course, figuring out how to uninstall whatever got installed from the firefox.com package is up to you... |
| 20:12.47 | twobitwork | wols: I am reading it :P |
| 20:13.07 | chops | Snadder: What version are you running now? |
| 20:13.21 | Snadder | chops, version of what? |
| 20:13.28 | chops | Snadder: Debian |
| 20:13.53 | Snadder | lenny/sid |
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| 20:14.17 | Snadder | cat /etc/*debian* says that. |
| 20:14.22 | Snadder | chops, ^^ |
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| 20:14.30 | wols | Snadder: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
| 20:14.31 | chops | Snadder: Okay, I'd recommend installing the sid version of iceweasel (along with upgrading all its dependencies to the sid versions), and then going back to testing until testing catches up if you really want FF3 then. |
| 20:14.53 | Snadder | wols: ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:15.06 | wols | Snadder: lenny it is then |
| 20:15.21 | Snadder | wols, yep.. but I have some few sid packages i think. |
| 20:15.49 | wols | Snadder: testing is always "lenny/sid" even when you only have lenny or only sid packages |
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| 20:16.00 | EE_BB_ | hi all How can I see package options when installing with apt-get like gentoo uses flag ? |
| 20:16.02 | Snadder | wols, ok. didnt know that. |
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| 20:16.10 | chops | EE_BB_: What sort of options? |
| 20:16.20 | wols | EE_BB_: can't. you need to download source and check debian/control or such |
| 20:16.33 | wols | chops: USE flags |
| 20:17.16 | x|e | I was wondering if the Openwall patch was any good for security...? |
| 20:17.36 | Snadder | this: apt-get install -t sid iceweasel made me install: sid/main iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.. that cant be correct? |
| 20:17.44 | Snadder | I want the final ff3 version |
| 20:17.45 | chops | Snadder: Why not? |
| 20:17.55 | chops | Snadder: That's not in unstable yet, I would suspect |
| 20:18.09 | Snadder | damn. Then I need to install it myself then. |
| 20:18.28 | Snadder | But maybe the sid libs works with ff3 final |
| 20:18.35 | linkmaster03 | I just installed Debian, and when I boot my system, it says: |
| 20:18.36 | wols | Snadder: it is final |
| 20:18.45 | chops | Snadder: I'd recommend installing rc2 before I would recommend installing outside the package management system, but ultimately it's your system |
| 20:18.46 | linkmaster03 | "GRUB LOading, please wait... Error 2" |
| 20:18.54 | x|e | ?? |
| 20:19.10 | wols | Snadder: from rc2 to rc3 only a mac error was fixed, from rc3 to final nothing was changed |
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| 20:19.27 | Snadder | wols, ah. ok. then its all fine :-) |
| 20:20.01 | linkmaster03 | I just installed Debian, and when I boot my system, it says: "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 2" |
| 20:20.03 | Agiofws | if you use VPN do you portforward ports on your Gateway ? |
| 20:20.10 | Agiofws | usually ? |
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| 20:21.02 | wols | Agiofws: depends |
| 20:21.07 | Agiofws | we reset the GATEWAY at work today and now we can't connect via VPN could it be because the GW was port forwarding ports ? |
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| 20:21.25 | Snadder | chops, wols: thanks alot :-) |
| 20:21.51 | wols | linkmaster03: it's a file not found basically IIRC |
| 20:22.01 | wols | linkmaster03: we need more info |
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| 20:22.03 | yangvnc | Which program can I use to scale the JPEG image to smaller size ? Gimp is out of testing |
| 20:22.13 | wols | yangvnc: imagemagick |
| 20:22.36 | linkmaster03 | wols: I just finished installing Debian 4.0, its on an intel celeron PC with 466MHz and 20GB HD |
| 20:23.03 | Agiofws | wols, can you take a look ? |
| 20:23.04 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/DOLicf56.html |
| 20:23.06 | wols | linkmaster03: parttion layout, /boot/grub/ content, menu.lst and devicemap content |
| 20:23.22 | yangvnc | wols: thanks |
| 20:23.56 | yangvnc | wols: but there is none for amd64 |
| 20:24.26 | Snadder | What program can I use to check the md5sums on debian binaries I got installed? |
| 20:24.37 | wols | yangvnc: you are mistaken |
| 20:24.41 | wols | Snadder: debsums |
| 20:24.51 | wols | yangvnc: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 20:25.05 | Agiofws | wols, what do i look for if there is a service like pptpd ? |
| 20:25.13 | yangvnc | coreduo:/home/yang/Crydamoure# apt-cache search imagemagick |
| 20:25.15 | yangvnc | no hits |
| 20:25.18 | wols | Agiofws: ps |
| 20:25.23 | Agiofws | ps ? |
| 20:25.24 | wols | yangvnc: do what I told you |
| 20:25.41 | linkmaster03 | wols: eh? how can I access those when I can't even boot into debian? |
| 20:25.50 | wols | !tell linkmaster03 about rescue |
| 20:25.55 | yangvnc | wols: you are right, i commented out all sources |
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| 20:26.11 | Agiofws | pps ? |
| 20:26.23 | wols | Agiofws: no |
| 20:26.32 | Agiofws | what ports do look for if there is a service like pptpd ? |
| 20:26.36 | wols | Agiofws: how hard is it to read two frigging letter? |
| 20:26.38 | Agiofws | onthe vpn side |
| 20:26.42 | Agiofws | ps? |
| 20:27.02 | wols | Agiofws: if you don't know about ps you are the wrong guy to troubleshoot vpns, sorry |
| 20:27.22 | wols | but calling daemons a "service" shows a few things |
| 20:27.29 | Agiofws | ps aux if it was a linux sysytem |
| 20:27.36 | Agiofws | if i had access to it |
| 20:27.49 | Agiofws | what ports does pptpd run on ? |
| 20:28.10 | linkmaster03 | wols: im reading it |
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| 20:33.37 | linkmaster03 | wols: I'm in a shell from the installation disc, now what? |
| 20:34.31 | wols | mount your installed debian and chroot to i |
| 20:34.33 | wols | it |
| 20:34.38 | Bladesman | Have an identd question. It says something in the man page about "opening kernel devices." Is there an english translation of what this means, as rfc1413 isn't giving me a clue. |
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| 20:35.11 | wols | Bladesman: there is no "kernel device". identd listens on some port and replies if asked about users logged in, that's it |
| 20:35.21 | wols | you should use midentd or pidentd I guess |
| 20:35.47 | jelly-home | wols: it does have to read about users and proc from somewhere! |
| 20:36.02 | jelly-home | er, users and ports |
| 20:36.03 | wols | then files and not "kernel devices" |
| 20:36.09 | wols | also, I said to use midentd |
| 20:36.24 | jelly-home | files in /proc are provided by kernel :-) |
| 20:36.28 | linkmaster03 | wols: how do I mount debian to a folder? sorry, i'm new to debian |
| 20:36.29 | slxix | does midentd lie? :) |
| 20:36.32 | Bladesman | wols: Just wondering what kinda info identd is giving before I open up the port. |
| 20:36.32 | wols | they aren't devices tho |
| 20:36.41 | wols | Bladesman: usernames |
| 20:36.50 | Bladesman | nods his thanks. |
| 20:37.00 | wols | it's actually bullshit in the age of personal hosts |
| 20:37.09 | wols | it's a protocol from the multiuser mainframe times |
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| 20:37.40 | chops | Bladesman: Yes, identd has no meaning on the modern internet (its security usefulness was always kind of suspect) |
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| 20:37.50 | jelly-home | yes. it's also postgres' default method of local user authentication |
| 20:37.57 | DNC_005 | wols: what livecd should i use while copying over the filesystem? i have an external hard drive and i want to try it using the tar method and making the filesystem manually |
| 20:38.10 | linkmaster03 | wols: if I have no other OSes on the system, would debian be "hda"? |
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| 20:38.15 | Bladesman | Tracking identities, yeah. I kinda figured that. Was just curious what level of info. |
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| 20:38.24 | chops | linkmaster03: hda1 more likely |
| 20:38.28 | jelly-home | chops: identd works really well on localhost! :-) |
| 20:38.45 | Rayne|aedion | i've read that debian's php5-cgi is compiled against fastcgi. is this right? |
| 20:38.55 | wols | linkmaster03: usually, could be sda too |
| 20:39.08 | chops | jelly-home: And if you throw a frog he makes a really good pigeon |
| 20:39.14 | wols | DNC_005: nn for a livecd |
| 20:39.43 | jelly-home | chops: a serious service uses it! |
| 20:39.51 | wols | chops: some irc servers still insist tho |
| 20:40.04 | DNC_005 | nn? |
| 20:40.07 | wols | jelly-home: which service? |
| 20:40.10 | linkmaster03 | wols: ok i've chroot'd to the mounted debian installation |
| 20:40.18 | jelly-home | wols: postgresql |
| 20:40.19 | foobar8 | maybe virtual machines will cause a revival of identd |
| 20:40.27 | chops | wols: Oh, well, if _IRC_ likes it, I must be mistaken. Lord knows there's nothing retarded in that part of the internet's engineering. :-) |
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| 20:40.41 | wols | chops: I didn't say you were |
| 20:40.57 | slxix | identd isn't going to revive until we stop ip masquerading. |
| 20:41.03 | chops | used to administer an IRC server and still has no idea how to grant ops as the local root user |
| 20:41.24 | DNC_005 | ... |
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| 20:42.15 | g00se_ | DNC_005: no need (?) |
| 20:42.35 | DNC_005 | oh |
| 20:42.38 | linkmaster03 | wols: ok i've chroot'd to the mounted debian installation, now what |
| 20:42.44 | DNC_005 | wait why would it not be needed? |
| 20:43.11 | DNC_005 | if i tar and copy stuff to the external hard disk |
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| 20:43.20 | DNC_005 | how do i copy the stuff to the desktop from the external hard disk? |
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| 20:45.13 | DNC_005 | wols: ? |
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| 20:45.42 | linkmaster03 | wols: are you there |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | wols: HIDE! |
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| 20:49.42 | Honestiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.45 | Honestiago | /query honestiago |
| 20:49.45 | Honestiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.35 | pkcahier | Hum, anyone knows if pure-ftpd has an option to keep incomplete uploads? |
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| 20:51.16 | ukatan | I have an AMD athlon 1800+ processor. what kernel should I be using? |
| 20:51.29 | zinx | k6 |
| 20:51.33 | zinx | or i686 |
| 20:51.39 | ukatan | K6, really? |
| 20:51.48 | ampex2 | ukatan: i686 |
| 20:51.55 | ampex2 | are the k6 releases still being maintained? |
| 20:51.59 | ampex2 | and if so, why? |
| 20:52.11 | zinx | i don't know if there are |
| 20:52.18 | ukatan | I think 686 is right, thanks guys |
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| 20:53.08 | zinx | actually, the 1800+ may be an XP model anyway |
| 20:53.28 | ampex2 | zinx: it is |
| 20:53.29 | ampex2 | ukatan: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:53.35 | zinx | then it'd be k7 if that were still around :/ |
| 20:53.53 | ampex2 | k7 is still around, but I would recommend just using 686 |
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| 20:54.00 | zinx | hate it when people leave out important designations like "XP" :P |
| 20:54.17 | ukatan | ok |
| 20:54.18 | ukatan | ty |
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| 20:54.30 | linkmaster03 | I just installed Debian, and when I boot my system, it says: "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 2" |
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| 20:55.32 | jelly-home | !grub error 2 |
| 20:55.32 | dpkg | For grub error 2, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
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| 20:55.49 | ReKlipz | has anyone used anjuta with boost? |
| 20:56.05 | zinx | linkmaster03: 2 : Bad file or directory type This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but something like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO. |
| 20:56.37 | jelly-home | linkmaster03: ... and for some reason, error 2 isn't mentioned there |
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| 20:57.15 | zinx | i don't think it's a common problem |
| 20:57.23 | zinx | his stage2 isn't a normal file, apparently |
| 20:57.29 | zinx | or the menu.lst, maybe |
| 20:57.35 | linkmaster03 | zinx: any idea how I can fix it |
| 20:57.43 | abrotman | !any idea |
| 20:57.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:57.50 | zinx | linkmaster03: not without being physically at your computer |
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| 20:58.18 | linkmaster03 | zinx: I am at a terminal from the installation disc |
| 20:59.00 | holycow | man this is weird |
| 20:59.04 | holycow | is there a command line switch to copy -R a dir and put a copy of the folder in the same dir, but just rename it? |
| 20:59.26 | chops | holycow: cp -R foo bar not working for you? |
| 20:59.34 | holycow | nautilus hides this from us i guess ... for that it probably manually creates a new folder and copies the contenst of the other folder to the new one |
| 20:59.46 | holycow | chops: no it says 'bar does not exist' |
| 20:59.53 | Snadder | why does xulrunner-stub use 100% cpu, I only have 1 video playing in ff3? |
| 21:00.09 | zinx | Snadder: probably because of flash |
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| 21:00.19 | chops | holycow: I beg to differ, sir... http://pastebin.com/m4b7667cc |
| 21:00.21 | holycow | flash is not hardware accelerated |
| 21:00.24 | holycow | thats all rendered via software |
| 21:00.25 | zinx | the linux flash is even more inefficient than the windows one, which is pretty inefficient. |
| 21:00.31 | holycow | chops well tell debian that |
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| 21:00.55 | chops | zinx: Interestingly enough, Windows flash via wine is actually more efficient than Linux flash (or it was the last I checked) |
| 21:01.00 | holycow | chops: that just puts the other dir in a new subdir |
| 21:01.06 | zinx | chops: i don't doubt that one bit |
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| 21:01.22 | holycow | i was curious if a cp could do a switch rename but maybe i'm overthinking this |
| 21:01.29 | jelly-home | holycow: flash 9 and beta 10 video might be accelerated in some cases |
| 21:01.42 | holycow | jelly-home: really? |
| 21:01.44 | Snadder | zinx, this didnt happen in ff2 |
| 21:01.44 | holycow | neat |
| 21:01.58 | chops | holycow: I think I'm not understanding what you're after. What command are you typing? |
| 21:02.20 | holycow | chops you cant do cp -R foo bar ... cp expects bar to exist |
| 21:02.34 | jelly-home | holycow: their detection of working opengl is flaky though. there's something about it at the penguin.swf blog |
| 21:02.36 | holycow | if bar exists then it copies foo and puts it in a subdir bar |
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| 21:02.58 | chops | holycow: Did you read the pastebin I sent you where I did just that? |
| 21:03.00 | holycow | chops: was just wanting to copy foo to the same folder at the same time renaming it |
| 21:03.04 | holycow | yes |
| 21:03.07 | holycow | you haveto manually mkdir |
| 21:03.08 | linkmaster03 | In menu.lst in (hd0,0), what does the second 0 stand for? |
| 21:03.14 | zinx | Snadder: i dunno. flash has always taken 100% cpu here |
| 21:03.15 | chops | holycow: No, you really don't. |
| 21:03.22 | jelly-home | linkmaster03: partition number (starts at 0) |
| 21:03.22 | zinx | linkmaster03: partition |
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| 21:03.42 | linkmaster03 | How can I list my partitions? |
| 21:03.48 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 21:03.51 | chops | holycow: I _just_ tested this, and then I sent you the output. I'm not sure how you expect to convince me. |
| 21:03.54 | linkmaster03 | thanks you |
| 21:04.00 | chops | holycow: What command, exactly, are you running? |
| 21:04.03 | Gm4n | I just installed sendmail, but it will only talk to localhost. From anywhere else, port 25 appears closed. Is this a misconfiguration problem? |
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| 21:04.34 | wols | Gm4n: why do you want sendmail? |
| 21:04.36 | chops | Gm4n: It could be your ISP filtering things |
| 21:04.42 | wols | linkmaster03: partition |
| 21:04.43 | Gm4n | not the ISP, no |
| 21:04.44 | holycow | chops you are correct on ubuntu, thats weird, i gotta check out why this doesn' twork on my debian server |
| 21:05.44 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make the /dev filesystem of a machine accessible on another? |
| 21:05.44 | chops | holycow: No, I'm correct on Debian, because that's where I'm testing it. I'm giving up on helping you; you won't tell me what command you're running. |
| 21:05.44 | Gm4n | wols: because I'm in a hurry. should I be using postfix or something else instead? |
| 21:05.44 | wols | HardDisk_WP: why? |
| 21:05.44 | linkmaster03 | wols: hey im in the terminal from the installation disc, you were helping me fix grub error 2 |
| 21:05.44 | wols | Gm4n: exim4 was already installed on your debian |
| 21:05.44 | holycow | chops, literally: cp -R foo bar ... debian insists dir doesn't exist as root |
| 21:05.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols, i want to control the serial port of my ALL6200 NAS^^ |
| 21:05.44 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: if you want to work with remote devices, no way |
| 21:05.45 | HardDisk_WP | :/ |
| 21:05.45 | holycow | chops go to hell and grow a bit of patience |
| 21:05.50 | holycow | i can't reply withing 4 picoseconds and you get pissed off |
| 21:05.56 | holycow | i gave you the command several times |
| 21:06.00 | wols | holycow: have fun getting help with your attitude here. HAND |
| 21:06.12 | chops | holycow: No, I asked you twice and you kept talking to me without responding to my question. |
| 21:06.20 | holycow | i was finishing my sentence |
| 21:06.27 | wols | chops: just ignore him. better for all |
| 21:06.35 | Gm4n | wols: can exim4 accept inbound mails? |
| 21:06.37 | linkmaster03 | wols: hey im in the terminal from the installation disc, you were helping me fix grub error 2 |
| 21:06.40 | wols | Gm4n: of course |
| 21:06.46 | chops | wols: I'm actually about to go home for the day. Best kind of ignoring :-) |
| 21:06.53 | holycow | lol |
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| 21:07.10 | holycow | whatever, if you are too stupid to listen thats fine |
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| 21:07.52 | Virtual | if I am not sure what my wireles card make and model on my laptop is there any way to install a driver or to find out? I have that laptop connected via network cable at the moment! |
| 21:08.07 | wols | Virtual: lspci -n |
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| 21:08.54 | linkmaster03 | wols can you help me? |
| 21:09.04 | linkmaster03 | I just installed Debian, and when I boot my system, it says: "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 2" |
| 21:09.06 | wols | linkmaster03: I asked you a few things |
| 21:09.17 | linkmaster03 | please repeat them i am sorry |
| 21:09.21 | holycow | linkmaster03: you can google that error message |
| 21:09.21 | wols | use a pastebin to put the info in there |
| 21:09.23 | Virtual | wols, I got about 25 lines of output from that. none make any sense |
| 21:09.34 | wols | Virtual: pastebin the output |
| 21:09.35 | holycow | probably the kernel cannot be found although thats usually error 15 |
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| 21:09.49 | wols | holycow: stage15 is not the kernel.... |
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| 21:10.00 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:11.02 | Virtual | wols, http://pastebin.com/m519fe3a2 |
| 21:11.12 | DexterF | weird issue with OOo 2.4.0 from bpo - context menu entries and toolbar icons disappear and reappear when resizing the window or moving the mouse. can anyone confirm? |
| 21:11.23 | linkmaster03 | wols: how can I find the partition layout when fdisk doesnt work on the installation terminal? |
| 21:11.25 | wols | Virtual: use lspci -v then |
| 21:11.40 | wols | linkmaster03: if you chrotted to your install it does |
| 21:11.52 | wols | linkmaster03: oh, you didn't bind mount /proc or dev |
| 21:12.09 | wols | go to 2nd console (ctrl+alt f2) and use fdisk -l there |
| 21:12.18 | Virtual | wols, Intel corporation pro/wireless 3945abg, can you recommend a driver for this or should I google for it ? |
| 21:12.27 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 21:12.28 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
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| 21:12.41 | linkmaster03 | wols: After I chroot to /dev/hda1? |
| 21:12.44 | wols | Virtual: what kernel? uname -r |
| 21:12.48 | libertad | some software for to using motorola agps? |
| 21:12.49 | wols | linkmaster03: no |
| 21:13.18 | wols | !tell linkmaster03 about grub |
| 21:13.22 | Virtual | wols, 2.6.18 for now, i am updating the kernel, i only just installed the system |
| 21:13.38 | wols | Virtual: update to WHAT? |
| 21:13.38 | libertad | some software for to using motorola agps? |
| 21:13.50 | abrotman | libertad: running debian? |
| 21:14.04 | libertad | oui |
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| 21:14.28 | abrotman | libertad: how did you install Debian ? |
| 21:14.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:14.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:15.07 | Virtual | wols whatever is in the repository, i think 2.6.22-3 ? |
| 21:15.09 | libertad | abrotman: I only need a manager apgs motorola software |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | apgs ? |
| 21:15.20 | wols | Virtual: that's not there |
| 21:15.44 | wols | Virtual: what debian? |
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| 21:16.09 | Virtual | testing |
| 21:16.13 | abrotman | broken |
| 21:16.17 | libertad | abrotman: AGPS |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | apgs ? |
| 21:16.21 | libertad | Asisted GPS |
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| 21:16.25 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 21:16.32 | abrotman | libertad: freshmeat.net .. apt-cache search GPS |
| 21:16.48 | prisoner1 | How should I install gitk when there is a dependency conflict? |
| 21:16.48 | libertad | nothing for agps |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | GPS |
| 21:17.03 | abrotman | i didn't say agps |
| 21:17.09 | Virtual | wols: testing |
| 21:17.10 | wols | prisoner1: what did you type exactly and what was the full output? |
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| 21:18.51 | prisoner1 | wols: here http://pastebin.ca/1050544 |
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| 21:19.42 | linkmaster03 | wols: i'm really confused... when i chroot to my filesystem and do fdisk -l, /proc is empty |
| 21:19.44 | wols | prisoner1: apt-cache policy for gitk and gitk-core |
| 21:19.58 | wols | linkmaster03: I told you not to chroot for this |
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| 21:20.07 | wols | and use the non chrooted 2nd tty |
| 21:20.17 | linkmaster03 | wols: fdisk doesn't work without chroot |
| 21:20.41 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: before you chroot you have to do mount --bind /proc /thechroot/proc |
| 21:20.51 | alperbaba | where can i find the packages which i installled on my system |
| 21:20.53 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: where /thechroot is the mount point |
| 21:21.04 | stew | prisoner1: you already have git-core installed from backports.org, so if you want to run gitk, you'll also have to install that from backports.org |
| 21:21.13 | wols | linkmaster03: cat /proc/devices |
| 21:21.40 | alperbaba | where can i find the packages which i installled on my system |
| 21:21.51 | wols | alperbaba: on your system |
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| 21:22.04 | alperbaba | yes i want the deb files |
| 21:22.04 | \amethyst | alperbaba: a list of which ones are installed? |
| 21:22.06 | stew | alperbaba: can you be more specific? are you looking for the actual downloaded .debs? the files that they installed? |
| 21:22.13 | \amethyst | alperbaba: oh, /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:22.13 | stew | alperbaba: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:22.50 | linkmaster03 | wols: ok got it one second |
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| 21:23.10 | alperbaba | ok thanks :) |
| 21:23.52 | ME-tan | oh you stupid stupid app, stopped NetworkManager to upgrade it then promptly fell off the network and I lost my SSH link |
| 21:23.56 | wols | linkmaster03: als your menu.lst content |
| 21:25.29 | linkmaster03 | wols: how can I pastebin that? since the box is only in this limited terminal |
| 21:25.38 | prisoner1 | oh |
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| 21:28.45 | linkmaster03 | wols: how can I pastebin that? since the box is only in this limited terminal |
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| 21:29.07 | szonek | hi |
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| 21:29.47 | szonek | is there any equivalent in Debian to gnome-light in Gentoo? |
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| 21:30.01 | stew | szonek: what is gnome-light in gentoo? |
| 21:30.17 | stew | linkmaster03: is the machine on a network? |
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| 21:35.55 | szonek | stew: minimal version of gnome package |
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| 21:36.07 | szonek | only few apps included |
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| 21:36.56 | stew | szonek: /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 21:38.45 | linkmaster03 | FUCKING DEBIAN |
| 21:38.48 | linkmaster03 | this is a piece of shit |
| 21:38.51 | linkmaster03 | damn grub |
| 21:38.53 | szonek | stew: okay thanks ;) |
| 21:39.18 | mohr | I've been looking for a way to install 64-bit Debian Sarge. I just can't find a bootable ISO image anywhere. |
| 21:39.32 | mohr | where can I pick one up? |
| 21:40.03 | mohr | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ has a Sarge subdirectory, but this isn't a bootable image |
| 21:40.31 | Quintin | anyone know how to make gnome panels not span across dual monitors? |
| 21:40.45 | szonek | stew: one more thing.. is the package releasing in debian as fast as in ubuntu? |
| 21:41.23 | stew | Quintin: i don't know how to make them span across dual monitors |
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| 21:43.30 | stew | szonek: debian doesn't make releases as often. it hundreds of packages a day to unstable and dozens of those move from unstable to testing a day, but testing only becomes stable onces every 1.5-? years |
| 21:43.40 | stew | szonek: and ubuntu makes a new stable release every 6 months or so |
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| 21:44.03 | DexterF | update fixed OOo issue, nvm |
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| 21:46.52 | prisoner1 | mohr http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ia64/ |
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| 21:48.48 | mohr | prisoner1: thanks. Is that an Itanium image, or amd64 compatible? It seems to be the former. |
| 21:49.10 | szonek | stew: okay, is it safe to use testing version of Debian on desktop? |
| 21:49.24 | wols | prisoner1: you don't have an itanium. it's the wrong one for you |
| 21:49.43 | szonek | i don't like the lack of control what i have got on my system in Ubuntu |
| 21:50.11 | jacko- | chops: i think i figured out my earlier problem with kmuto's sarge install. the sources.list it gives you has 'stable' in there, so the box w/the mixed etch/sarge may have gotten that way during the initial package install when "stable" had become etch. |
| 21:50.34 | mohr | szonek: I basically run Gentoo ~amd64 (bleeding edge) and don't have any problems. Debian's "unstable" is hardly unstable. |
| 21:50.56 | szonek | i'm on Gentoo now too |
| 21:51.13 | szonek | for about 5 days |
| 21:51.13 | prisoner1 | yeah I thought that was Intel :O |
| 21:51.32 | mohr | szonek: then you're already running the ideal Linux distro, why even consider switching? :) |
| 21:51.43 | szonek | it's very good but i don't like that the packages are so late |
| 21:52.07 | wols | prisoner1: you want amd64 |
| 21:52.13 | terse | i don't get how ubuntu gives you less control...or any linux distribution...what are people talking about when they say this? just su - and do what you want |
| 21:52.13 | mohr | szonek: /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| 21:52.14 | stew | szonek: things in testing DO break from time to time, and has security issues sometimes. another option is to run stable + some backports (/msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo) |
| 21:52.20 | Bushmills | mohr: what is your understanding of "unstable" ? |
| 21:52.26 | prisoner1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . I don't think they have AMD arch |
| 21:52.44 | mohr | Bushmills: something that doesn't always work. |
| 21:52.49 | prisoner1 | wols this is mohr's problems |
| 21:53.00 | mohr | wols: yes it is my problem ;) |
| 21:53.03 | Bushmills | mohr: there's another ambiguous term: free. what is that, according you? |
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| 21:53.18 | mohr | Bushmills: free == libre |
| 21:53.51 | Bushmills | mohr: debian understamds under unstable "changes frequently" |
| 21:53.55 | mohr | Bushmills: free != monetary value |
| 21:54.42 | Bushmills | mohr: your idea of "free" matches, but your idea of "unstable" or "stable" is different |
| 21:55.05 | mohr | Bushmills: well when you put it that way. But he asked iff it was "safe" to run it on his desktop, and when you consider "safe" I think he means will it work most of the itme |
| 21:55.23 | wols | mohr: and it won't |
| 21:55.29 | alperbaba | hello i upgrade to sid today but when i tried to install fuse it gives some errors packages named system-tools-backends |
| 21:55.29 | alperbaba | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.29 | alperbaba | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.29 | alperbaba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.35 | szonek | terse: for example ubuntu comes with a bunch of stuff which i don't like, also autoconfigure and automatic kernel configuration isn't what i'm looking for |
| 21:56.05 | mohr | szonek: so use package.keywords |
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| 21:56.09 | terse | szonek: umm, so remove the stuff you don't want and download kernel source and compile your own |
| 21:56.28 | wols | mohr, szonek: tell him that in #ubuntu maybe, not here |
| 21:56.51 | szonek | mohr: i'm talking about ubuntu ;p |
| 21:57.02 | Bushmills | alperbaba: ask mohr, he says sid is "stable" :) |
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| 21:57.10 | szonek | terse: i don't want remove, i don't want do things twice |
| 21:57.25 | Bushmills | sorry he doesn't. |
| 21:57.32 | mohr | "stable" means different things depending on the context :P |
| 21:57.35 | alperbaba | liboobs-1-4 gnome-system-tools fast-user-switch-applet thse packages gives some errors |
| 21:57.37 | Bushmills | "hardly unstable" was the term |
| 21:57.45 | wols | mohr: here, we have the debian terms |
| 21:57.59 | alperbaba | dpkg: error processing liboobs-1-4 (--configure) |
| 21:57.59 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:58.00 | wols | mohr: and telling people to use sid is irresponsible |
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| 21:58.06 | wols | alperbaba: pastebin! |
| 21:58.20 | alperbaba | pastebin! |
| 21:58.26 | alperbaba | what does it mean |
| 21:58.33 | wols | dpkg just told you |
| 21:58.34 | dpkg | wols: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:58.39 | mohr | wols: I didn't tell him to use sid. He asked if it was safe, and I mentioned that it was perfectly safe. no hardware will be damaged. |
| 21:59.00 | alperbaba | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.01 | wols | mohr: do YOU want to troubleshoot him when (not if) he has problems? if not, don't do it |
| 21:59.10 | wols | alperbaba: use a pastebin! |
| 21:59.13 | mohr | wols: good point :) |
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| 21:59.24 | alperbaba | i don't know what is it? |
| 21:59.30 | alperbaba | i am a beginner |
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| 21:59.33 | wols | alperbaba: dpkg gave told you |
| 21:59.33 | Bushmills | !paste |
| 21:59.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:59.52 | alperbaba | it kicked me because of pasting |
| 22:00.04 | Corty | Hi |
| 22:00.06 | wols | yes, you don't paste here. now finally read what dpkg says |
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| 22:03.20 | alperbaba | http://pastebin.com/d62ec4d61 |
| 22:03.28 | alperbaba | wols:http://pastebin.com/d62ec4d61 |
| 22:03.36 | cafuego | Did you type that url or did you paste it from your browser? |
| 22:03.59 | terse | haha |
| 22:03.59 | alperbaba | from browser |
| 22:04.03 | cafuego | Tssk. |
| 22:04.11 | babilen_ | hi there... some users demand that we change the default python version on our etch machines from 2.4 to 2.5. Are we facing any problems if we do this? |
| 22:04.25 | cafuego | babilen_: Nah |
| 22:04.40 | alperbaba | wols:i have to say that i've just upgrade my system to sid |
| 22:04.42 | babilen_ | cafuego: Nah? |
| 22:04.52 | cafuego | babilen_: Well, not if you don't run nay criticla apps that NEED python 2.4 |
| 22:05.14 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | in order for pidgin to connect i have to disable accounts and rein able the account then it still says waiting for network connection but obviously it works any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 22:05.21 | infinitycircuit | babilen_: if you search debian-devel there was an email right before the 2.5 transition in lenny that explained which packages needed python2.4 |
| 22:05.32 | infinitycircuit | amd64deb-2-6-24: are you behind a restrictive firewall? |
| 22:05.51 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | justmy belkin wireless router |
| 22:05.56 | babilen_ | infinitycircuit: ah, do you - by any chance - know the thread this mail belongs to? |
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| 22:06.21 | cafuego | babilen_: There are no default system packages that use python, I think. But if you added stuff, you may need to change the #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 22:06.25 | Bushmills | alperbaba: bad idea |
| 22:06.42 | cafuego | babilen_: Of course, these lazy-ass users could do this to their own apps too. |
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| 22:06.59 | Bushmills | alperbaba: try removing the broken (not quite installed) packages |
| 22:07.49 | infinitycircuit | babilen_: if you search on google for debian python 2.5 etch the mailing lists show up first off |
| 22:08.09 | babilen_ | infinitycircuit: i found it already... thanks a lot! |
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| 22:08.33 | babilen_ | cafuego: that is exactly what i told them as well. :-) |
| 22:09.50 | alperbaba | Bushmills: ok one of them is removed |
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| 22:10.19 | alperbaba | Bushmills: the others were already not installed |
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| 22:12.14 | DexterF | help: cant find my scsi scanner. switched it on, rmmod scsi module, reprobed, ran scsiadd -s, nothing. |
| 22:12.16 | DexterF | pointers? |
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| 22:13.27 | alperbaba | wols : |
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| 22:18.31 | Amit | hi.. i am trying to burn the debian live using vista to a usb.. can someone please tell me how to do it? |
| 22:18.49 | tyraelx | I just installed debian. But during the install I couldn't find a dhcp server and now I booted the system with a fresh install and I have no eth0/1 |
| 22:18.57 | Bushmills | Amit: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 22:19.28 | tyraelx | I choose a network card to use, so I dont understand why I dont have eth0 or eth1 (I have two cards) |
| 22:19.31 | Amit | Bushmills, again.. using windows |
| 22:19.34 | tyraelx | *chose |
| 22:19.36 | Bushmills | Amit: or http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebas/weblog/1 |
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| 22:19.51 | tyraelx | which package is eth0? so I can reconfigure it with dpkg |
| 22:19.54 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: you should be able to run ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0. do your cards use strange drivers? |
| 22:19.55 | Bushmills | Amit: what is "windows"? |
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| 22:20.13 | Amit | bushblows, a shitty piece of os that make bill gates very rich |
| 22:20.19 | Amit | now.. any ideas? |
| 22:20.40 | Bushmills | Amit: yes. boot debian |
| 22:20.42 | tyraelx | infinitycircuit: no they dont. |
| 22:20.45 | Amit | if i could i would |
| 22:20.51 | Amit | i am at a workplace |
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| 22:20.58 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: what is the output of the two commands i gave you, run as root |
| 22:21.05 | Amit | and i donot have acecss.. and the only hope i have is usb live boot |
| 22:21.06 | Bushmills | Amit: change job |
| 22:21.16 | Amit | Bushmills, u are a retard sir |
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| 22:21.25 | Amit | i am trying to burn the debian live using vista to a usb.. can someone please tell me how to do it? |
| 22:21.39 | dondelelcaro | Amit: the same way you burn any iso in vista; how to burn it isn't on topic here. |
| 22:21.59 | Amit | dondelelcaro, its an img file. |
| 22:22.08 | dondelelcaro | Amit: it's the same thing. |
| 22:22.09 | wols | Amit: we still don't support windows |
| 22:22.27 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | make sure to remove u3 |
| 22:22.30 | Amit | wols, i am trying to get to debian.. i supposed u would help the change |
| 22:22.49 | wols | Amit: so you can call us retards in the future? thanks but no thanks |
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| 22:23.11 | Amit | wols, i didnt.. he asked me to get a new job and thats an impractical suggestion |
| 22:23.15 | Amit | wols, not support |
| 22:23.15 | dondelelcaro | Amit: try #windows or similar on some other network. |
| 22:23.20 | dondelelcaro | Amit: drop it, please. |
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| 22:23.40 | wols | tyraelx: what network card is it exactly? |
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| 22:24.21 | Amit | dondelelcaro, i use gentoo on my own machine.. what i am unaware of is if there are any ways linux/debian facilitates its users to use the os when they cannot actually install it |
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| 22:24.35 | wols | Amit: if you use gentoo, use dd |
| 22:24.47 | Amit | wols, atm at office :/ |
| 22:24.53 | dondelelcaro | Amit: we are only able to support Debian here, not other operating systems. |
| 22:25.08 | Amit | dondelelcaro, and i asked .. how do i get debian on a usb when i am on windows |
| 22:25.11 | tyraelx | infinitycircuit: just 255.255.255.255 interval over and over again |
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| 22:25.19 | wols | tyraelx: answer me please |
| 22:25.41 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | put debian on cd install it install debian to usb from debian |
| 22:25.45 | bushblows | Amit: that was a typo tab-complete, but I 120% agree. ;) |
| 22:25.49 | tyraelx | wols: marvel and intel |
| 22:26.02 | wols | tyraelx: ifconfig -a |
| 22:26.33 | wols | tyraelx: and if you plug in the cable in either one, what does dmesg say? |
| 22:26.51 | tyraelx | nevermind, I found out what I needed. |
| 22:27.15 | tyraelx | I just needed to know that the video drivers was in fact installed and eth0 existed |
| 22:27.35 | tyraelx | theres a problem with my network and the dhcp is sometimes not responding |
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| 22:27.50 | tyraelx | so a recently connected computer takes time to get an ip |
| 22:28.56 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | are you wireless? |
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| 22:30.49 | infinitycircuit | how do you cd to a directory that starts with "-" again? |
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| 22:31.28 | Bushmills | infinity cd ./-foo should do |
| 22:31.40 | infinitycircuit | Bushmills: yeah of course thanks |
| 22:31.53 | Bushmills | maybe quoted |
| 22:31.59 | infinitycircuit | no ./ was enough |
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| 22:37.01 | tyraelx | . |
| 22:37.25 | tyraelx | I found the 100mbit lan, but im not getting an IP |
| 22:37.59 | tyraelx | I added auto eth1 to interfaces |
| 22:38.05 | htmlol | usually, fiddling around with the dhcp settings does it for me. networks can be very particular. |
| 22:38.23 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: you need 2 lines in interfaces...the second should be iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:38.35 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | ifplugd is kind of cool |
| 22:38.49 | tyraelx | infinity, and the first one? |
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| 22:39.15 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: for instance: allow-hotplug $IFACE <newline> iface $IFACE inet dhcp |
| 22:39.20 | infinitycircuit | where $IFACE is your interface |
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| 22:39.50 | wols | inimesekene: auto eth1 is better than allow-hotplug |
| 22:40.04 | DexterF | guys, how to I print from within gimp? other apps print fine, gimp says "no standard target" |
| 22:40.07 | wols | tyraelx: logn time ago I asked you to run a command. can you do it? |
| 22:40.38 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | ive found that networks saves static ip's if ever set static with a network manager remove the statice setting if there |
| 22:40.40 | infinitycircuit | wols: i use a laptop, so mine are actually manual to allow wpa roaming. thanks for the tip though |
| 22:40.41 | wols | DexterF: apt-cache search gimp|grep print |
| 22:40.58 | wols | infinitycircuit: yes, but his is a wired net, at least this one |
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| 22:41.07 | wols | for wlan, sure, yours is better |
| 22:41.25 | wols | but sometimes, allow-hotplug doesn't work as it should |
| 22:41.41 | infinitycircuit | that's good to know since i use it on my desktops...i'll switch then to auto |
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| 22:42.54 | DexterF | wols: gimp-print and ijsgutenprint are installed. got a hp laserjet 4p. no clue what I'm missing |
| 22:42.57 | bujin | Hi |
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| 22:43.53 | bujin | i just downloaded the ati drivers form ati webpage and i installed and everything seen to work good but when i run tuxracer i noticed i dont have opengl or accelaration how can i fix this?\ |
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| 22:45.02 | wols | DexterF: CUPS is working fine with the ljet? |
| 22:45.17 | wols | bujin: we do not support drivers from ati.com. ask ati |
| 22:45.28 | DexterF | wols: yes. other apps .. just print. I printed a odt from OOo just a couple o fminutes ago |
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| 22:46.07 | DexterF | do I need to conf gimp to a special printzer command other than default? |
| 22:46.27 | wols | DexterF: dunno, sorry |
| 22:46.37 | DexterF | :( |
| 22:46.40 | DexterF | krita then |
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| 22:49.57 | DexterF | krita screws up. great. |
| 22:50.11 | DexterF | has an anti-linux fit |
| 22:50.20 | DexterF | didn't happen in a long time |
| 22:50.57 | bujin | ok wols which free driver can i use with my ATI FireGL V3100 |
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| 22:53.17 | karsten | bujin: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 22:53.44 | Nyle | oh |
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| 22:54.04 | Nyle | hm, seems Nyle_ also hilights *Nyle* |
| 22:54.05 | DexterF | what other apps can print images when krita and gimp have fucked up? |
| 22:54.06 | karsten | Nyle: say |
| 22:54.25 | Nyle | karsten, hi dude |
| 22:54.29 | karsten | DexterF: feh, imagemagick |
| 22:54.38 | DexterF | karsten: with preview |
| 22:54.38 | tyraelx | hmm, im trying to upgrade to lenny from etch but packages are always kept back |
| 22:54.51 | DexterF | tyraelx: dist-upgrade? |
| 22:54.56 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: aptitude safe-upgrade and then aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:55.00 | tyraelx | DexterF: yes |
| 22:55.03 | Nyle | what? |
| 22:55.05 | karsten | DexterF: What's the problem, what's the image format? |
| 22:55.06 | Nyle | thats redundant |
| 22:55.07 | infinitycircuit | tyraelx: what is held back? |
| 22:55.13 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, redundant |
| 22:55.26 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, do you know the diff. between safe vs. full? |
| 22:55.44 | tyraelx | The following packages have been kept back:bsdutils e2fslibs e2fsprogs libblkid1 libcomerr2 libssl0.9.8 libuuid1 mount perl perl-base perl-modules util-linux |
| 22:55.52 | karsten | tyraelx: Packages being held back == dependencies indicate that they shouldn't be updated. This is a Good Thing[tm]. |
| 22:55.52 | wols | !tell tyraelx about etch->lenny |
| 22:55.55 | DexterF | karsten: problem is I cant get gimp to print to m< HP LJ4 and krita screws up somehow. only prints half the image and too big. its a DIN A4 scan in dpi saved as png |
| 22:55.59 | infinitycircuit | Nyle: you lose like 10 seconds when aptitude reloads its databases, but you get the benefit that a borked dist-upgrade won't require dpkg --configure shenanigans |
| 22:56.06 | infinitycircuit | on the same level |
| 22:56.18 | Nyle | what are you on about? |
| 22:56.28 | karsten | DexterF: Hrm. Sure it's not a printer / print-driver bug? Have you tried printing to file (PS or PDF)? |
| 22:56.32 | wols | infinitycircuit: there is no safe-upgrade or such in etch |
| 22:56.35 | infinitycircuit | oh |
| 22:56.40 | infinitycircuit | nevermind |
| 22:56.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:56.44 | Nyle | np |
| 22:56.50 | DexterF | karsten: other apps print fine. apart from krita, ok. OOo: all fun |
| 22:57.14 | Nyle | DexterF, is gimp printing to the same printer? |
| 22:57.42 | karsten | DexterF: Have you checked BTS? |
| 22:57.50 | karsten | DexterF: This does in fact sound like a bug. |
| 22:58.11 | DexterF | karsten: no. it a frigging HP LAserjet, even sid is supposed to support that |
| 22:58.25 | DexterF | Nyle: well - I have no idea. how do I check? |
| 22:59.06 | DexterF | KolourPaint of all apps gets the job done. hah. |
| 22:59.17 | Nyle | DexterF, you have to select the printer in gimp |
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| 22:59.30 | karsten | DexterF: What model LJ? I have an LJ4 myself, and it's a bit overwhelmed by larger / more complex images. Only has a 64K buffer IIRC. Or is it 64M? |
| 22:59.33 | Nyle | like any other app |
| 22:59.42 | Nyle | 64k |
| 22:59.43 | DexterF | karsten: the printer is fine |
| 22:59.43 | Nyle | ? |
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| 23:01.13 | _N0W4Y0UT_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7969777/ |
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| 23:01.44 | DexterF | Nyle: you mean in "Printer Settings" I take it? well, I filled in what I could there |
| 23:01.56 | DexterF | Nyle: told it hp lj4 |
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| 23:02.03 | DexterF | and standard q |
| 23:02.30 | Nyle | well you ARE on sid ;) |
| 23:02.42 | Nyle | start gimp in console, try to print, watch console output? |
| 23:02.54 | Nyle | check bts, like they said |
| 23:03.02 | DexterF | Nyle: no, etch with backports. the queue dropdown only offers "(Default Printer)" |
| 23:03.07 | starscalling | hey |
| 23:03.10 | Nyle | DexterF, ah |
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| 23:03.17 | starscalling | is there a way to use apt to prevent a package from updating? |
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| 23:03.31 | Nyle | !hold |
| 23:03.31 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 23:03.41 | starscalling | aahh |
| 23:03.46 | starscalling | that was the one THANX ! |
| 23:03.50 | Nyle | yup |
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| 23:04.59 | DexterF | Nyle: it prints to a file alright |
| 23:05.02 | Nyle | man I had a shitstorm at work with about 3 pcs, finally figured out it were bad switch ports |
| 23:05.24 | Nyle | DexterF, what says another app that CAN print? |
| 23:05.41 | Nyle | what is the printer listed as? default also? how did you add it? through kde or through cups? |
| 23:06.00 | Nyle | is the printer working on ANY non kde apps (kde has its own print system iirc) |
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| 23:06.07 | DexterF | I really don't remember. I guess through kde, but not sure |
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| 23:06.28 | DexterF | Nyle: KolourPaint and OOo both print ok |
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| 23:07.23 | Nyle | i been meaning to buy a usb cable for 2 years or more |
| 23:07.32 | DexterF | Nyle: gimp doesnt say a word when launched from console |
| 23:07.35 | Nyle | just still haven't gotten around to it, I also have a HP PSC 2400 series |
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| 23:07.57 | Nyle | which should still be configured on my print server but its not conencted right now |
| 23:08.20 | Nyle | remembers setting it up in sarge using hpijs/oj |
| 23:08.32 | Nyle | it was actually a piece of cake,everything printed from everything |
| 23:08.43 | Nyle | and scanned too |
| 23:09.48 | Nyle | I'm gonna try and build a debian document server (scan to email/fax etc.etc.) |
| 23:10.04 | Nyle | but first step, getting a friggin usb printer cable :) |
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| 23:10.28 | Virtual | How can I manually configure the screen size in xorg? I edited the config file and restarted the server but nothing |
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| 23:10.38 | Nyle | Virtual, what do you mean nothing |
| 23:10.41 | Nyle | !xrandr |
| 23:10.41 | dpkg | xrandr is probably a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 23:11.04 | Nyle | Virtual, in xterm, type 'xrandr -q' and it will output your supported modes |
| 23:11.18 | Nyle | if you feel cli is too much, try aptitude install grandr |
| 23:11.58 | Nyle | (fairly ok gtk frontend, though it lacks the advaned options e.g, adding custom modes etc.) |
| 23:12.27 | Virtual | Nyle, i have 1024 now and I want to get to 1280 but xrandr doesn't have it |
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| 23:14.51 | DexterF | Nyle: is it possible there's no standard queue defined and all other apps just look up kde settings or so? |
| 23:15.25 | Nyle | Virtual, once you figure out where you wanna be, you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put your resolution in the .... |
| 23:15.36 | Nyle | sorry I had a phone call my mom was yelling at me cuz i didn't go pick up my medicine |
| 23:15.39 | Nyle | anyway |
| 23:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Virtual: if xrandr doesn't have it, that's usually because your monitor doesn't support it, or it isn't advertising that it supports it |
| 23:16.42 | Nyle | resolution in the Display subsection of screen section |
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| 23:17.06 | Nyle | Virtual, which driver are you using? |
| 23:17.27 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, sometimes it is also caused by driver |
| 23:17.49 | Virtual | Nyle, for the monitor ? |
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| 23:17.53 | Nyle | no |
| 23:17.54 | Nyle | video |
| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: right, but that's pretty unusual |
| 23:18.27 | DexterF | Nyle: jesus F. christ, I got it. my thought was right, in cups it wasn't set as the default printer |
| 23:18.28 | Nyle | (fglrx reports my max resolution to be 1920x1080 which is true, however radeon/radeonhd only give me a maximum of 1680x1050 which is native, but not the max) |
| 23:19.01 | Nyle | DexterF, you mean MY thought was right :) |
| 23:19.04 | dondelelcaro | often you'll run into that in cases where you've got non-standard modes for lcd panels and the like |
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| 23:19.10 | Virtual | Nyle, Generic Video Card, it is a laptop |
| 23:19.20 | DexterF | Nyle: I was closer ;) |
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| 23:19.23 | Nyle | Virtual, lspci |grep VGA |
| 23:19.26 | Nyle | DexterF, awesome :) |
| 23:20.05 | DexterF | i hate computers. I'll reskill to carpenter. |
| 23:20.12 | Virtual | Nyle, Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 |
| 23:20.22 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, how do you mean? (I have only standard modes) |
| 23:20.44 | Nyle | Virtual, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep driver |
| 23:20.52 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: 1920x1080 might not be a mode that xorg knows about, so you may need a special modeline |
| 23:21.37 | Virtual | Nyle, no such line in xorg.conf, i checked earlier |
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| 23:21.43 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: usually if you look up your monitor, you'll find out if someone has the right one |
| 23:21.44 | bujin | hi |
| 23:21.48 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, well I did calculate it and added it via xrandr to radeonhd/radeon driver, and yeh it worked. But it never lists it. fglrx however lists it via xrandr |
| 23:21.56 | Nyle | Virtual, thats your problem maybe |
| 23:22.00 | bujin | a question how can configure my ati videocard? |
| 23:22.04 | bujin | with the free drivers |
| 23:22.04 | bujin | ? |
| 23:22.12 | dondelelcaro | Virtual: that's fine; you don't need to specify the driver. |
| 23:22.12 | Nyle | default xorg install does not configure for your particular vga chipset |
| 23:22.19 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, you don't? |
| 23:22.22 | Nyle | how come? |
| 23:22.32 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: no; xorg auto-detects and uses the right driver in most cases |
| 23:22.39 | Nyle | oh word |
| 23:23.01 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: in most cases it knows far more than the configuration scripts what chipsets it knows about; worst case it falls back to vesa |
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| 23:23.29 | Nyle | wow, it has indeed come a long long way |
| 23:23.36 | Nyle | I am impressed |
| 23:23.46 | Nyle | word to the xorg people |
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| 23:24.17 | Nyle | bujin, /msg dpkg ati |
| 23:24.27 | th1 | is there a FF3 package for etch anywhere? |
| 23:24.35 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 23:24.36 | dpkg | well, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it - Currently broken in sid with bug numbers #486673 #486354 #484270 |
| 23:24.39 | Nyle | th1, no |
| 23:24.52 | th1 | anyone working on one? |
| 23:25.12 | Nyle | th1, in etch you have libgtk 2.8 something while ff3 requires 2.10 |
| 23:25.15 | Bushmills | hehe .. came across a *massive* memory leak in ff3 .. eating about 50 megabyes per second ... |
| 23:25.21 | Nyle | some gtk lib, not sure exactly which one |
| 23:25.33 | th1 | Nyle, can't both versions co-exist? |
| 23:25.35 | Nyle | th1, for ff3 to work in etch, the libs must also be backported |
| 23:25.44 | Nyle | th1, on etch no, due to library dependency issues |
| 23:25.54 | Nyle | at least not right now |
| 23:25.59 | th1 | ok.. I guess that'll happen soonish |
| 23:26.04 | Nyle | wait a while, I'm sure some people will port it soon enough |
| 23:26.10 | th1 | will do.. |
| 23:26.20 | Nyle | Bushmills, wow |
| 23:26.34 | Nyle | checks on the ff3 bugs |
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| 23:27.21 | bujin | Nyle, dpkg ati??? wwt? |
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| 23:27.37 | Nyle | !ati |
| 23:27.38 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>. |
| 23:27.42 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 23:27.46 | Nyle | !tell bujin -about radeon |
| 23:28.01 | Nyle | bujin, which ati chip do you have? lscpi |grep VGA |
| 23:28.07 | ricosecada | How do I create a user without adding a home directory for him? |
| 23:28.13 | Nyle | ricosecada, man adduser |
| 23:28.23 | Bushmills | ricosecada: man iseradd |
| 23:28.26 | Bushmills | useradd |
| 23:28.41 | Nyle | Bushmills, I have NEVER been clear about the diff. between the two |
| 23:28.43 | Nyle | do you know? |
| 23:28.51 | ricosecada | thanks |
| 23:29.08 | Bushmills | Nyle: useradd doesn't create home dir, and doesn't populate from skel |
| 23:29.19 | bujin | Nyle, i dont have a radeon i have a FireGL V3100 |
| 23:29.42 | Bushmills | doesn't prompt for password .. |
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| 23:30.05 | Nyle | why stupidity? useradd CREATES a new user, adduser ADDS a user - very simple |
| 23:30.10 | Nyle | its so confusing ! |
| 23:30.18 | Nyle | Bushmills, ahh |
| 23:30.20 | peterS | adduser also puts a user into a group |
| 23:30.27 | Nyle | so which one is the right one to use in interactive mode? |
| 23:30.31 | peterS | adduser |
| 23:30.31 | Nyle | i think so adduser? |
| 23:30.33 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:30.42 | Nyle | peterS, and why would someone want to use useradd? |
| 23:30.46 | saltedlight | hi. i'm trying to connect to internet using a PPPoE connection. i think i need to install pppoeconf and/or other packages. now i'm using a Ubuntu live cd, but i wanna make the PPPoE connection on Debian. it would be nice if one can tell me what packages do i need so i can download them and save to a cd or other media so i can install them on Debian, but i don't know how to do that. anoyone can help me at least with some hints? |
| 23:30.50 | peterS | because you don't have to depend on the adduser package in order to do so |
| 23:31.02 | peterS | it is lower-level |
| 23:31.03 | th1 | Nyle, useradd is for scripts.. |
| 23:31.08 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 23:31.14 | th1 | e.g. package install scripts that need to create a uid |
| 23:31.15 | Nyle | I'm a noob i dunno much |
| 23:31.25 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 23:31.28 | peterS | for an interactive shell you pretty much always want adduser |
| 23:31.30 | Nyle | that makes sense |
| 23:31.34 | th1 | well |
| 23:31.36 | Bushmills | for example, automated account creation, with chpasswd |
| 23:31.38 | th1 | it should be called sysadduser or something |
| 23:31.49 | th1 | to avoid the confusion.. I've forgotten the difference many times |
| 23:31.58 | peterS | th1: and if you want to create a minimal user it should be called sysaddmin? |
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| 23:32.08 | th1 | lol |
| 23:32.20 | th1 | or update-passwd |
| 23:32.26 | Nyle | man i have to drive like 5 exits down the highway to go pickup my Rx, I don't wanna go but I have to |
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| 23:32.29 | th1 | if it's meant to be used by scripts |
| 23:32.30 | Nyle | so i'll see ya'll |
| 23:32.32 | Bushmills | Nyle: say you want 100 accounts with random names and computed passwords ... |
| 23:32.35 | bujin | Nyle, http://binpaste.pastebin.ca/1050660 this is the info of my video card |
| 23:32.40 | Nyle | Bushmills, hang on to that thought |
| 23:32.50 | Nyle | *out* |
| 23:32.54 | th1 | bye |
| 23:33.38 | bujin | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B64 [FireGL V3100 (PCIE)] (rev 80) |
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| 23:33.53 | bujin | this is my video card how can i configure it with the free drivers |
| 23:34.06 | real0ne | hello i have problem with installing one packages (nepenthes) |
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| 23:34.59 | kripz_ | Ive installed vlc which installed a bunch of libraries, how do i remove them both automically? |
| 23:35.08 | huhlig-work | question, is there anyway to have an ssh client connect to a remote server but have the client host the shell? |
| 23:35.16 | peterS | bujin: on unstable, xserver-xorg-video-ati supports that chip |
| 23:35.23 | peterS | bujin: I haven't checked stable |
| 23:35.24 | JyZyXEL | whats the aspect ratio in 1680:1050? |
| 23:35.32 | gpm | kripz_: you go back in time and install vlc with aptitude |
| 23:35.36 | Bushmills | kripz_: remove vlc, then apt-get autoremove |
| 23:35.37 | gpm | kripz_: not apt-get |
| 23:35.45 | JyZyXEL | 1680x1050 |
| 23:36.02 | peterS | factoring is hard |
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| 23:36.06 | blameless | JyZyXEL: that would be 16:10 |
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| 23:36.13 | JyZyXEL | how do you know? |
| 23:36.15 | gpm | oh autoremove, nice |
| 23:36.17 | peterS | blameless: I'd call it 8:5 |
| 23:36.21 | erxz_paste | "qwer" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "qwerqwer" (1 line) at http://erxz.com/pb/10038 |
| 23:36.25 | blameless | JyZyXEL: 1680/1050 = ? |
| 23:36.32 | peterS | JyZyXEL: just check to see if 8/5 is the same fraction as 1680/1050 |
| 23:36.38 | linkmaster03 | how do I uncheck the boxes in the debian setup that says Print server and all that stuff? |
| 23:36.39 | gpm | is autoremove better than aptitude now at doing what it does? |
| 23:36.42 | peterS | should be 1.6 in both cases |
| 23:36.51 | kripz_ | isnt apt-get cli version of aptitude?? |
| 23:36.52 | gpm | linkmaster03: space bar |
| 23:36.54 | blameless | JyZyXEL: and 16/10 is also 1.6 |
| 23:36.55 | bujin | peterS after i install the sxerver-xorg-video-ati what changes i have todo to the xorg.conf |
| 23:36.56 | bujin | ? |
| 23:36.58 | linkmaster03 | gpm: thanks |
| 23:37.00 | JyZyXEL | ic |
| 23:37.05 | peterS | blameless: yeah but 8/5 is simpler |
| 23:37.17 | gpm | kripz_: sort of |
| 23:37.17 | peterS | bujin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:37.28 | peterS | tell it to use the "ati" driver, if it asks |
| 23:37.31 | gpm | kripz_: try what Bushmills said |
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| 23:37.46 | bujin | .-* |
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| 23:38.18 | kripz_ | Bushmills, i did apt-get remove --purge vlc, then apt-get autoremove but it says invalid operation |
| 23:38.32 | kripz_ | Bushmills do you mean apt-get autoclean? |
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| 23:38.43 | stew | kripz_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:38.50 | stew | kripz_: (no he didn't mean autoclean) |
| 23:38.52 | kripz_ | stew 4 etch |
| 23:39.00 | terr_ | This is probably not the right place to ask. A referal will be appreciated. I've got sound in Totem but when I try to view a google "flash" video - no sound. No errors no warnings. Any ideas? |
| 23:39.09 | stew | kripz_: the autoremove feature isn't available in etch (it was added to apt 0.7) |
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| 23:39.22 | bujin | peterS i did it ... then? |
| 23:39.42 | Bushmills | kripz_: apt-get purge ... |
| 23:39.47 | peterS | bujin: should work. have you got 'xdm' or 'gdm' installed - if so, try '/etc/init.d/xdm restart' or similar |
| 23:40.03 | bujin | yes |
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| 23:40.37 | Bushmills | kripz_: "autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed.." from man apt-get |
| 23:40.41 | bujin | peterS iit is working i mean i am using gnome and everything is working but i dont have opengl working dunno why |
| 23:41.12 | peterS | bujin: well, I don't have any idea how much opengl support the ati driver has for that specific GPU generation |
| 23:42.32 | bujin | peterS look this part of my xorg.conf http://binpaste.pastebin.ca/1050665 |
| 23:42.44 | bujin | i think its not configuring anything as ati |
| 23:42.46 | bujin | :S |
| 23:44.06 | peterS | bujin: I was gonna suggest xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd but it appears that driver does not support anything older than the RV505 |
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| 23:44.24 | peterS | also, the paste site is timing out for me so I can't see your xorg.conf yet |
| 23:47.29 | peterS | bujin: also, what version is this? 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg' will tell |
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| 23:51.48 | ricosecada | I am installing ewire on a customers server and it needs a symlinks from libssl.so.0.9.8 to libssl.so, I am worried if apt updates the version and the symlink suddenly stops working. Any suggestions as to how to keep track of this? I am going to forget about this symlink in 5 month from now. |
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| 23:53.54 | visof | hello |
| 23:54.32 | visof | i have a cd that have some packages that i want to install , how can i add the cd to my repositories ? |
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| 23:59.23 | Nyle | back.. raining too hard so I called them to hold it... bujin whats up |
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| 23:59.54 | bujin | hey Nyle not done yet but imstill trying to get it done |
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