IRC log for #debian on 20080619

00:00.08gpmvisof: apt-cdrom
00:00.09wepdoes anyone know what tools i need in order to test/develop a livecd?
00:00.10Nyleati provides radeon which provides support for ati
00:00.16wepi don't like rebooting to test changes...
00:00.33Nyleweird eh
00:00.52Nyleanyway, radeon actually provides support for upto and beyond r500
00:01.07Nyleopensource radeonhd is merged into radeon iirc
00:01.20Ellighey guys, i have tcp 631 IPP running when i nmap myself, how do i stop this? i cant see what it could be in init.d?
00:01.27Nyleand actually as the driver devs tell me it would be better to use radeon instead of radeonhd
00:01.34peterSNyle: he installed xserver-xorg-video-ati on my advice, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and reports that he still doesn't seem to be using an accelerated driver or whatever
00:01.56NylepeterS, he is on etch/
00:01.56Nyle?
00:02.04SuperbarttEllig check netstat with the pid (i think -p but not sure) flag and see what proces is using the port :)
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00:02.08peterSI don't know, I asked him his xserver-xorg version and he didn't answer
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00:02.15NylepeterS, I would like to know that too
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00:02.26ElligSuperbartt: thanks
00:02.29infinitycircuitis it just me or did combined-client-list-menu disappear from openbox in sid?
00:02.35Nyleas don tells me, in later xorg's you don't have to specify even the driver
00:02.43NylepeterS, btw, hi, long time no see
00:02.45Superbarttor use lsof which can give you quite some more usefull information Ellig :)
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00:03.16Supranohmm i have a problem, and i can'T locate its source..
00:03.19visofgpm to install something from it rather than internet ?
00:03.44gpmvisof: why not just dpkg -i the deb you want to install?
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00:04.38reZohow much support is there for lenny problems at the moment?
00:04.47visofgpm i want to install openoffice and i guess it's need dependencies
00:04.47NylereZo, lenny is supported
00:04.54reZoawesome
00:04.54visofopenoffice from the cd
00:04.55Nyle!tell reZo -about ask
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00:05.02peterSI refuse to support the notion that lenny has problems
00:05.04NylereZo, thats a good questioning format
00:05.09NylepeterS, haha
00:05.16gpmvisof: what's wrong with debian's version?
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00:05.18reZoNyle: that was my question :P
00:05.21Nyleeven stable has problems
00:05.32peterSyeah but lenny doesn't
00:05.33visofgpm what do you mean?
00:05.35Nylehaha
00:05.36Supranoif i do a lot operations with files (any operation, r/w) eventually the system will crash, signaling this by refusing access to the filesystems (saying input/output error). when i get this error, i know its only a matter of time until all crashes.
00:05.37peterSthey're all fixed in lenny
00:05.39Nyleword
00:05.44gpmvisof: i mean, why not use the one from the internet, why do you want the one on the CD?
00:05.48visofgpm my internet connection is slow
00:06.09Supranoi can exclude hardware failure. i bought an new hd and even there it happend right after. and it happens on all 4 disks.
00:06.28peterSNyle: well, all except subversion.  I hope hope hope I can still figure out how to get subversion 1.5.0 into lenny before the freeze that is looming over me.  but 1.5.0 won't be released for another 2 hours or so, so.
00:06.41Nylehahaha
00:06.42gpmvisof: hm. well you could try removing the internet sources, apt-get update, and then install office, add the internet sources back, and apt-get update
00:06.43Supranoi booted up some other distributions and i didn't get the problem there, so i figured it must be sth in my debian system
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00:07.02NylepeterS, well, lets wish you luck
00:07.02bujinNyle, i think i installed how can i test my opengl?
00:07.13Supranoi upgraded the kernel several times, selfcompiled and precompiled, it made no difference
00:07.14Nylebujin, glxinfo|grep direct
00:07.24Supranomost of the fs are using xfs
00:07.32peterSNyle: thanks, I'll need it.  I had some pretty annoying problems building the 1.5.0 prereleases, we'll see if a night of hacking on it fixes any of them
00:08.03NylepeterS, I didn't know you maintained subversion
00:08.06Nyleyou are the fucking man
00:08.11peterSI do what I can
00:08.26Nylenow I know who to bug ;)
00:08.31Supranoone of the fs is encrypted with truecrypt, though this didn't cause a problem on other distros so i think u can exclude that
00:08.45NyleSuprano, too many lines...
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00:08.49peterSthe upstream release manager just now asked on IRC for someone else to upload 1.5.0 to the official download site.  I suspect the release announcement will follow shortly.
00:09.06NyleSuprano, try multiple sentences per line, kinda hard to follow with all this channel traffic
00:09.15SupranoNyle, i use a pastebin ^^
00:09.37reZowhen upgrading to lenny from etch, would it be best to have a fresh install of etch, or wouldn't it matter if i have been using this system for about 9 months now, so it has 9 months of installs / junk?
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00:09.50NylereZo, it will be fine
00:09.58NylereZo, try a safe-upgrade through aptitude first
00:10.01Supranohttp://pastebin.org/44606
00:10.12peterSreZo: I've upgraded the system I'm typing on from woody to sarge to etch to lenny, for the most part it just works
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00:10.16reZookay thanks
00:10.30reZopeterS: :)
00:10.50SJrXHmmmmm I have an old Debian 3.1 install. qpopper on port 110 is no longer responding. This happened once before but I can't remember how I fixed it.
00:11.02SJrXI need to restart inetd or whatever I tihnk
00:11.08gpmthink of all the CDs you save that way
00:11.09visofgpm and i need time to download that i don't have it
00:11.11visofgpm can i ?
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00:11.37gpmyou need time to download what?
00:11.44alperbabais there a repo which i can  find all multimedia codecs
00:11.47visofgpm to start opinoffice what should i type in command line ?
00:11.52visofopenoffice ?
00:11.53gpm!tell alperbaba -about marillat
00:11.55visofor what?
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00:12.06Nylealperbaba, yes
00:12.11Nylethat or !dmm
00:12.21Nyle!marillat
00:12.22dpkgi guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
00:12.26SJrXHow do I restart inetd in Debian?
00:12.29alperbabagpm:thanks
00:12.31gpmvisof: visof openoffice
00:12.34Nylehmm
00:12.38Nyleits the same as dmm
00:12.41peterSSJrX: /etc/init.d/inetd restart
00:12.46gpmsorry, just openoffice
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00:13.09SJrXpeterS that doesn't exist
00:13.12gpmmarillat and non-free, of course
00:13.20gpmand main
00:13.22gpmand contrib
00:13.24gpmok i'm done
00:13.36peterSSJrX: oh ... depends on which inetd you have.  for me, I have openbsd-inetd, so that's the /etc/init.d/ script I run
00:14.13reZois there a way to get the most recently removed package names from apt-get?
00:14.31Nylegpm if you need mplayer + w32 codecs I advise you (on sid) to use them from DMM rather than sid
00:14.48stewreZo: no, but /var/log/dpkg.log should be able to tell you
00:15.16SJrXpeterS anyway to find out?
00:15.30peterSSJrX: 'echo /etc/init.d/*inetd*' I suppose
00:16.17SJrXoh
00:16.19SJrXopenbsd-inetd
00:16.26SJrXduh sorry
00:16.29SJrXI misread
00:16.42BushmillsNyle: need factoring help?
00:17.06jdahmhello, I had this strange problem with mysql last night and the problem seems to persist today as well.  I cannot set the root password, and when I login to mysql as root and SELECT CURRENT_USER() it just shows '@localhost' as if there is no root user, I have looked around online and no one else has this problem, can someone help me with it?
00:17.30Elligapt-get remove mysql; apt-get install mysql
00:17.37jdahmEllig: I did that
00:18.00Elligwas there hidden mysql config files? ive found that once
00:18.25Nylefactoring?
00:18.31visofgpm Could not apply changes!
00:18.33visofFix broken packages first.
00:18.35jdahmEllig: theres that debian.cnf or whatever file, but that says DON'T TOUCH in vold at the top
00:18.37visofhow can i fix broken packages?
00:18.51BushmillsNyle: A=1280 B=1024 R=1 C=$A D=$B; while((R));do((R=A%B,A=B,B=R));done;echo $((C/A))/$((D/A))
00:19.08Bushmillsinsert values as needed fpr A and B
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00:19.56stewjdahm: how are you trying to set the root password?  how exactly are you logging in?
00:20.30jdahmstew: I am using 'sudo mysqladmin -u root password xxxxxxxx'
00:20.31stewvisof: aptitude -f install
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00:20.47jdahmstew: I even tried logging in to the mysql prompt and doing it
00:21.14adamajdahm: sudo mysql -pxxxxxxxx
00:21.17adamais what you want
00:21.23stew!forgot mysql root password
00:21.23dpkgIf you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html
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00:21.41jdahmadama: stew I have tried that too
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00:22.05NyleBushmills, why am I doing that?
00:22.31NyleBushmills, I don't even wanna figure out what that does, but thats just too intense for my tiny little mind
00:22.44Nylewow
00:23.05NyleBushmills, are you feeling ok :)
00:23.12jdahmstew: it's not that I've forgotten the password, it's that I can't SET the password, nor does the user exist
00:23.25adamaBushmills you are missing some $
00:23.38stewjdahm: is there a root user in the user table?
00:23.52BushmillsNyle: not for you, sorry.   for peters.
00:24.02Bushmills"peterS: factoring is hard"
00:24.04adamajdahm: do this: sudo mysql -uroot -p
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00:24.27stewthere is no reason to use sudo with mysql or mysqladmin
00:24.32odlais there a way that i can edit apt.conf so that apt-get won't upgrade xorg packages?
00:24.32peterSBushmills: should I have just said NP-complete?
00:24.36NyleBushmills, :)
00:24.39jdahmadama: it says for the password
00:24.44Bushmillsadama: not missing. not needed in arithmetic expressions
00:24.54jdahmadama: which isn't set, because I cannot set it
00:25.10NyleBushmills, you think thats complicated
00:25.11adamathen just hit enter
00:25.18Nyletry Music SET Theory...
00:25.25jdahmadama: ok I'm in the prompt
00:25.29stewjdahm: if there is no root user in the user table then that is likely why you can't set the password
00:25.37adamanow type use mysql
00:25.41Nyletry an asshole professor along with it :) but factoring.. pish tosh.. thats easy work :)
00:25.46BushmillsNyle: it's not and i don't think it is
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00:25.53Nylej/k
00:25.57adamathen UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root';
00:26.00jdahmadama: ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mysql'
00:26.03adamathen FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
00:26.07jdahmadama: when I type 'use mysql'
00:26.15adamahmm
00:26.19peterSalso when I said factoring was hard, I may have been a tiny bit facetious.  since the context was how to reduce the ratio 1680:1050.
00:26.35jdahmadama: I'm logged in as root, but the CURRENT_USER() is ''
00:26.37adamaquit, then do su - root so you are root, then mysql -p
00:27.00Nylewhy not -u with root?
00:27.00stewjdahm: see what dpkg said about how to start mysql without requiring authentication.  then make sure there is actually a root user in the user table
00:27.07JarJarBinksis it possible to see the vale of the $DISPLAY variable for all X servers running on a machine
00:27.13Bushmillsbut getting it down from 72 to 40 chars in bash is
00:27.21jdahmadama: same problem
00:27.24stewjdahm: forget su
00:27.42stewadama: it doesn't matter what uid the mysql client programs run as
00:27.53jdahmstew: I have gone through the instructions on the website last night and it didn't work
00:28.10stewjdahm: does the root user exist in the user table?
00:28.13adamastew you're right... yeah jdahm do what dpkg said
00:28.19jdahmstew: how can I check?
00:28.24stewjdahm: select * from user
00:28.37stewin the mysql database
00:28.50peterSJarJarBinks: each X server typically has the desired DISPLAY variable as one of its arguments, thus 'ps -fu root | grep X' will show things like '/usr/bin/X :0 ...'
00:28.57peterSJarJarBinks: where the :0 is a DISPLAY
00:29.03jdahmstew: ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mysql'
00:29.17dondelelcarojdahm: if you're getting that error, you haven't started mysql with --skip-grant-tables
00:29.31JarJarBinkspeterS: thank you very much
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00:30.02peterSJarJarBinks: you might also look in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers if you are running these things via xdm.
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00:30.55JarJarBinkspeterS: I need to get information on running Xservers ports to automate some xmove features
00:31.26JarJarBinksso I ssh into the machine and don't know anything about the displaymanager
00:31.45JarJarBinksdon't know anything in general ... at least
00:31.54JarJarBinks:)
00:32.01peterSJarJarBinks: ps -fu root is probably as good as you can do, then, since there could be X servers running via various different means (display managers, xinit/startx)
00:32.09simonrvnpeterS: :)
00:34.03jdahmdondelelcaro: I can't start it that way
00:34.05vinc456i'm trying to install a group of dependencies needed for a project. Would i be looking to create my own package or metapackage?
00:34.18vinc456the things i need are listed on this page: (
00:34.23vinc456http://code.reddit.com/wiki/RedditStartToFinish
00:34.23jdahmdondelelcaro:  sudo mysqld_safe --skip-grant-permissions starts and then stops instantly
00:34.33Nylesimonrvn, kwe kwe
00:34.45simonrvnhi
00:35.00JarJarBinkspeterS: exactly and I am afraid I have a situation of startx on the  most important server ... and there is no port specified after X -nolisten tcp ... but I see xinit authenticate with MIT magic in a ~/.serverauth.<PID> file
00:35.32adamajdahm it's --skip-grant-tables
00:36.22s0bi;-0
00:36.25JarJarBinkspeterS: tried to get the display env variable from /proc/<PID>/* ... no luck
00:36.40jdahmadama: ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.users' doesn't exist
00:37.55peterSJarJarBinks: I once wrote a script to pull DISPLAY from /proc/*/environ.  it may even still work.  http://p12n.org/hacks/#xwall - maybe you can do something with it
00:38.28vinc456i could probably install each package via aptitude but it seems like uninstalling it would be a real hassle. I'm not sure what the best practice in my situation. I'll go read the manual once i have some direction
00:38.34peterSJarJarBinks: note the X server itself won't have that variable, only the client apps that are using it will.
00:38.54jdahmadama: stew so, eh? what can be done about that?
00:39.25jdahmhas no one else had this problem, I'm running debian unstable, it must be a fairly common issue
00:39.37simonrvnno it isn't a common issue
00:39.53jdahmsimonrvn: fairly was really sarcastic
00:39.59stewjdahm: do you have a backup of /var/lib/mysql/mysql/ you can restore from?
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00:40.21simonrvnjdahm: text medium dude ;)
00:41.00jdahmstew: nah, I just installed mysql for mythtv
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00:41.26jdahmstew: hasn't worked out well thus far
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00:42.38BushmillsJarJarBinks: you could ssh to remote (with ssh port forwarding to your machine), and run xtv -d :n   (the display you want to see)
00:42.45stewjdahm: i guess i'd recommend backuping your other databases, then purge mysql, delete all the databases, reinstall mysql, copy your database files back in, recreate your mysql users
00:42.54SnadderAnyone tried the facebook pidgin plugin?
00:42.59simonrvnthat error means you have a missing table, the users table in the mysql database, to be exact. hence needing the backup.
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00:43.15ponyofdeathis it ok to have multiple pre-up lines in the /etc/network/interfaces file under the same interface?
00:43.33SnadderI cant see the plugin after i've installed the debian package for it.. Wondring why.. its located here: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/
00:43.43infinitycircuitponyofdeath: as far as i know, yes
00:43.49stewponyofdeath: yes
00:43.54BushmillsJarJarBinks: but that only shows, no mouse/keyboard action
00:44.07ponyofdeathinfinitycircuit, stew thanks
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00:44.52JarJarBinksBushmills: thanks ... all suggestions are welcome ... still trying to figure out the right design for the script
00:45.04JarJarBinksblush
00:45.12JarJarBinksI said design ... sorry mates
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00:45.22BushmillsJarJarBinks: but - can't you simply killl X ?
00:45.37JarJarBinksBushmills: ?
00:46.02Bushmillsi assume that running X on the server is done by accident.
00:46.19Bushmillsso killing it would . well ... solve at least that.
00:46.54JarJarBinkswell if it's the xserver the "thin clients" connect to it's not so much an accident :)
00:47.05kripz_A tutorial im following uses "svn co", i dont seem to have it, how can i fix this?
00:47.21Bushmillsclients don't connect to remote X server. they have their own
00:47.23nevynkripz_: apt-get install subversion
00:47.24deltas4any chinese user here?
00:47.30JarJarBinksBushmills: thanks for the heads up though :) ... know what you mean
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00:49.13JarJarBinkspeterS: it's beautiful ... I'm currently writing the script in perl too... so I can use your xwall script very much for inspiration ...
00:49.28peterSJarJarBinks: have fun with it.  I forget why I wrote it.  it was a long time ago.
00:49.40peterSI see the file is dated 2005-08-17..
00:49.48simonrvnkripz_: subversion and related packages
00:50.04JarJarBinkshehe ... and you have perl -w in #!
00:50.29deltas4is there any debian chinese or taiwanense support channel?
00:50.31peterSI still use #!/usr/bin/perl -w actually.  it is less typing than 'use warnings;' so I'm more likely to bother
00:51.04Bushmillsdeltas4: auto-away turned off now?
00:51.43deltas4I don't think so :s but if that messages appear they will be very few.. I don't know how to turnf off that
00:52.18dondelelcaropeterS: there reason why you shouldn't use -w is because it causes problems with modules and things that use the no warnings; pragmas
00:52.18Bushmillsdeltas4: you never seemed to have been around when people here complained.
00:52.38deltas4yeah just 2 times
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00:53.23deltas4what message appeared last time? not set?
00:53.27peterSdondelelcaro: I guess that's a good reason.  I don't remember ever noticing any such problems, though occasionally I do get warnings from a module and don't think to see whether that would make a difference
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00:53.29Bushmillsright
00:54.01peterSdondelelcaro: if I'm writing anything very long I usually convert -w to use warnings just on general principle.  but I've never done it because I thought it made any real difference
00:54.22JarJarBinksdondelelcaro: thanks for the tip ... actually I was taken by suprise ... I didn't know why not to use -w anymore
00:54.30peterS(and of course when _writing_ a module I use 'use warnings')
00:54.38JarJarBinkshehe
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00:55.11dondelelcaropeterS: right; for short scripts it really doesn't matter
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00:55.39dondelelcaropeterS: personally, I've gotten so annoyed with typing crap for scripts, that I actually just use http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/lib/templates/perl_script
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00:55.58dondelelcaropeterS: which gets me the documentation stubs, argument parsing, etc. all automatically.
00:56.14deltas4Bushmills: I think it is off now, tell me when I come back
00:56.25deltas4is it?
00:57.16JarJarBinksthanks for the help peterS and Bushmills ... appreciate it
00:57.20JarJarBinkscya
00:57.50deltas4did I sent any away message now?
00:58.00deltas4send
00:58.35JarJarBinksdeltas4: you can test by connecting twice to the same ircserver and create your own channel
00:58.56deltas4but right now did I send anything?
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00:59.00JarJarBinkssure
00:59.05JarJarBinks"send"
00:59.05infinitycircuitdeltas4: no
00:59.11JarJarBinksheh
00:59.11Elligwhat langauge is debian developed in? if i was to want to become a developer?
00:59.12ElligC?
00:59.23deltas4ah ok so it's already unset at last !
00:59.47deltas4sorry for being bothering you till now with those msgs
01:00.13infinitycircuitEllig: there isn't one language, per se
01:00.42infinitycircuitEllig: dpkg is written in C though
01:01.27infinitycircuitbut even then if you apt-get source it you also see perl
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01:02.06peterSpart of what you are seeing is iwjcode, an odd programming language which is technically compatible with C but nobody can actually read or write it except iwj, Ian W. Jackson
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01:03.02abrotmanpete!
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01:04.05peterSabort!
01:04.24abrotmanpeterS: you've been hiding!
01:04.32jdahmstew: after removing everything and reinstalling it works!
01:04.37peterSkinda.  tonight I shouldn't be on irc, I should be working really really hard
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01:05.44abrotmanpeterS: so instead .. you're hardly working .. good man!
01:05.45peterSyes, I'm working really really hardly
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01:06.24rokraIs someone already played with the reverse proxy apache2?
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01:13.35NylepeterS, stoned was causing trouble earlier, just to let you know.
01:14.18abrotmani'll ban him
01:14.28NyleNoxIn, you stay put
01:14.31Nyledamit
01:14.35Nyleno<comma?
01:14.37Nylew/e
01:15.03abrotmanstop using win32 irc clients
01:15.35Nyleirssi 0.8.12 (20071006 0939)
01:15.46NyleLinux laptop 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 14 16:42:03 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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01:17.47bujinhow can i see if the opengl of my video  card is workin
01:17.50NyleI have not used anything but irssi (mainly) for years
01:17.56peterSNyle: btw, what does 'zgrep CONFIG_PATA_VIA /proc/config.gz' say?  I am curious whether 2.6.25 finally does what the kernel guys said they would do in 2.6.23 or so
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01:19.06Nyleit says only that there is no config.gz in /proc :)
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01:19.54peterSNyle: ehh, debian's 2.6.24 had that turned on.  ok, grep CONFIG_PATA_VIA /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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01:20.09NyleCONFIG_PATA_VIA=m
01:20.32Nylewrong box
01:20.33peterSNyle: aha.  so they did enable libata for old IDE, at least the via driver.  I may upgrade after all then.
01:20.37Nylehang on
01:20.52Nyle# CONFIG_PATA_VIA is not set
01:21.14peterSoh well.  they accidentally enabled those drivers in 2.6.20-1, I upgraded, went through the pain of switching hda to sda everywhere
01:21.23Nyleooof
01:21.24peterSthen they reverted their change and I don't want to go back, so I'm waiting until they make it for real
01:21.51peterSthus I'm holding out for CONFIG_PATA_VIA=m before I upgrade the kernel on this box
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01:22.01Nylebut why don't you just...
01:22.15NyleI guess you don't want to
01:23.01NyleLinux desktop 2.6.24-18-generic #1 SMP Wed May 28 19:28:38 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
01:23.14peterSno, I'd rather not build my own kernels.  I have faith that debian kernels are patched and built better than I could do it without spending a lot of time at it, which in theory frees me up to do stuff that isn't duplicated effort (:
01:23.35NylepeterS, but you can build the stock kernel with that on
01:23.41Nyleit would be the same thing, plus that
01:24.04reZoi'm upgrading to lenny at the moment, however, aptitute is asking if i want to accept the final "solution" of packages to remove / install, it's only coming up with a few, is this normal? :/
01:24.04peterSstill too much effort
01:24.09Nylehehe
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01:24.14NyleI figured as much
01:24.21peterSI used to _always_ build my own kernels ... now I feel I have better things to do
01:24.43NylepeterS, me too, as we get older, time becoems more and more precious
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01:25.18Nyleit starts to turn into money, and well, we can't all waste money, so shouldnt' waste time either
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01:28.58odlahow can i make my xorg stay the same ... i.e not upgrade to newer packages ... i thought i could do this with preferences but and assigning them <0 but it doesn't seem to be working
01:29.05abrotman!tell odla about hold
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01:36.42admin_hey, I just took a few pics of a lightening storm, and about 7 frames I'd like to make into a 'movie'
01:36.56akioso I'm about tired of manually connecting to ap's that don't broadcast their ssid's
01:36.57admin_I tried with mencoder and ffmpeg, no luck, maybe I'm doing it wrong
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01:37.15akionetworkmanager will not connect to them when i put in the ssid either
01:37.37akioi have to manually associate the ap by mac address/ssid
01:37.45akiois there a better way to do this?
01:38.01akiolenny with 2.6.24 and
01:38.37akiobefore i do all that i have to use iwlist
01:38.48akioany better way to do all this?
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01:40.39akiook it looks like it's a work under progress
01:40.48akioit doesn't do this properly yet
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01:49.17jdahmiceweasel nor switftfox is loading on this computer.  The binary starts and then stops instantly
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01:50.20neil_dwhen running "#apt-get update" I am getting the error "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"  what is wrong?  there isn't much free HDD space on this computer
01:50.35dondelelcaro!mmap
01:50.35dpkgGetting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/  You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
01:50.35peterS!dynamic mmap
01:50.36dpkgGetting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/  You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
01:50.42peterSI think dondelelcaro won
01:51.17Wyzardwonders why apt imposes an mmap limit on itself in the first place
01:51.18abrotmanhis factoid has more information!
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01:51.58peterSWyzard: probably related to how mmap works - resizing a mapped region is not always easy
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01:53.18stewmaybe apt should just store its data in a mysql database instead of a mmap!
01:53.33Wyzardmmap isn't a format for storing things
01:53.37Wyzardand ugh, mysql  :-)
01:54.16peterSI somehow don't think stew was being serious
01:54.35stewmysql is a format for trolling things
01:54.37WyzardI know
01:54.44dondelelcaromssql!
01:54.57peterSthey should release MySQL II: The SQL
01:55.07dondelelcaropeterS: The SQLing
01:55.22peterSI think I just got sqled
01:55.54dondelelcaroThere can be only one! [Unless you're using mysql, in which case you can have multiple rows with the same unique key...]
01:56.19peterSoh but that should never happen, just write your apps to not do that
01:56.26stewkey constraints of for nerds
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01:58.13neil_ddondelelcaro: peterS: needed to increase the value to 20000000, thanks for the help.
01:58.37dondelelcaroneil_d: you can also try removing sources.list entries you don't need.
01:59.03neil_ddondelelcaro: ok
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02:05.51jdahmok browsers really don't start on this machine, I'm getting angry
02:05.58jdahmstrace isn't helping either
02:07.22abrotmanwhich browsers?
02:07.33jdahmabrotman: iceweasel and swiftfox
02:07.40Nyleiceweasel if fucked
02:07.42jdahmabrotman: they start and then stop
02:07.42Nyle!ff3
02:07.42dpkghmm... ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.  Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it - Currently broken in sid with bug numbers #486673 #486354 #484270
02:07.56Nylestill grave and still unresolved
02:08.03Nylekeep waiting ... I suppose
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02:08.13abrotmanwhat does that have to do with his problem?
02:08.18Nyleor download firefox 3 or get ff2 from lenny
02:08.22abrotmanjdahm: what does the strace say?
02:08.32abrotmanyou mean like the ff2 in etch?
02:08.34Nyleabrotman, iceweasel is known to not start
02:08.50abrotmanand this affects swiftfox?
02:08.54Nylein sid currently 3.0rc2-1
02:09.02abrotmananyways
02:09.09jdahmabrotman: a bunch of munmap and then process detaches
02:09.17abrotmanjdahm: gnome/kde ?
02:09.18Nylejdahm, same thing here
02:09.23NyleI straced iceweasel last night
02:09.30jdahmabrotman: fluxbox
02:09.46Wyzardiceweasel (the one currently in sid) works fine for me
02:09.46jdahmNyle: so, what do you use?
02:09.49abrotmanis konq or epiphany-webkit installed ?
02:09.53NyleWyzard, which version?
02:09.57Nyleexactly
02:10.00jdahmWyzard: yeah I use it at work just fine in sid
02:10.06Nylemaybe its updated today (I haven't updated today)
02:10.32WyzardNyle: 3.0~rc2-1
02:10.44Nylewell I guess it works for you
02:10.45Wyzardamd64
02:10.51Nylei386 here
02:11.30Nylejdahm, I downloaded iceweasel 2
02:12.04abrotmanjdahm: have you tried moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way and starting it fresh?
02:12.26Led_Zeppelinis it possible to write  in random places (inodes) on a filesystem ?
02:12.28Nylejdahm, which debian release?
02:12.37jdahmabrotman: woah, voodoo!
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02:12.48Led_Zeppelinhey abrotman
02:12.49abrotmanjdahm: ?
02:12.53jdahmabrotman: it works
02:12.55jdahm;P
02:12.59abrotmanjdahm: with a new profile ?
02:12.59Nyletries
02:13.15jdahmabrotman: yeah
02:13.33abrotmanjdahm: well .. you can narrow it down farther if you want .. or just surf the web snow
02:13.34abrotmannow
02:13.58NyleAAARRRGHHH!!!!
02:14.03Nyleiceweasel 3 starts in sid
02:14.09abrotmansee .. i'm not crazy
02:14.18Nyleabrotman, I moved mozilla and voila
02:14.18jdahmabrotman: I'm going to stay clueless as to why that works, probably some setting style changed in the new version
02:14.41abrotmanit happens
02:14.44Nyletries to post this info on the iceweasel 3 bug
02:14.51abrotmanmaybe try safe mode .. might be an incompatible plugin
02:15.37abrotmanand i think there's a way to have gdb follow that detached process .. to provide more info to the bug
02:17.16abrotmansimonrvn: rescue ravenbird!!
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02:19.18abrotman!flw
02:19.21abrotman:(
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02:20.37deltas4how do I search for files with aptitude?
02:20.51deltas4I want to know which package contains a certain file
02:20.51abrotman!tell deltas4 about apt-file
02:20.57abrotman!tell deltas4 about search
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02:21.45simonrvn@wb
02:21.47ravenbirdthanks, simonrvn.  It's good to be back.
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02:24.58abrotmanravenbird: make fun of simonrvn
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02:25.50admin_how would I do something like
02:25.50admin_<PROTECTED>
02:26.22abrotmanlike that ?
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02:27.11admin_abrotman: it just doesn't want to do it :p
02:27.24abrotmanerror is ?
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02:28.21admin_abrotman: http://pastebin.org/44623
02:28.48abrotmanadmin_: one ask #ubuntu, two ask #mplayer
02:29.00admin_sigh
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02:29.19abrotmanthree ask ##linux ?
02:29.28NyleMEncoder 2:1.0~rc2-0ubuntu13 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
02:29.31Nyleoops!
02:29.35Nyle;)
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02:32.41|Ryan52I am having problems with request tracker memory leaking. and I heard from google that mod_perl has memory leak issues. What google didn't tell me is how to fix it. Anybody got suggestions? This is kind of important, as I don't want to have to stay awake all day and night restarting apache2 when it runs out of ram....
02:33.13abrotmanyay cron
02:33.47cafuego|Ryan52: Which apache worker are you using? Configure it to kill children after X number of requests.
02:33.51|Ryan52ya...that's not so good of a solution though...
02:34.28cafuegoSee MaxRequestsPerChild
02:34.37cafuegoMake it be > 0 and you should be fine
02:34.48abrotman|Ryan52: you'd rather stay up all night ?
02:34.59|Ryan52abrotman: Id rather make it work right.
02:35.15|Ryan52cafuego: okay, ty. what's a good number for that?
02:35.18cafuego|Ryan52: You're goijg to fix mod_perl? Whee! ;-)
02:35.20abrotman|Ryan52: recode mod-perl ?
02:35.28abrotmanhigh-fives cafuego
02:35.35cafuego|Ryan52: That depends on how many hits you get and how badly it supposedly leaks ram.
02:35.53abrotmanif it's titanic proportions ... low number
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02:36.08peterSbut it's not like spawning a new child is _that_ expensive anyway, so there isn't too much harm in setting it somewhat too low
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02:36.24cafuego|Ryan52: 64 or 128 on a non-high-traffic system is what I tend to use
02:36.39abrotman42 seems ... apt ?
02:36.49cafuegopeterS: Espcially if you set MinSpareServers/MaxSpareServers properly.
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02:37.32|Ryan52okay. I will try that. thanks!
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02:47.23keramhow can i remove all unnecessary packages?
02:47.41abrotmandeborphan ?
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02:48.29keramok i'll give it a shot
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02:49.30Bushmillskeram: dselect,  go down to below "required packages", select and remove all
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02:52.25keramBushmills, i dont see the required packages option
02:52.40deltas4how do I change my default fonts?
02:52.45deltas4like sans to dejavu sans
02:52.54\amethystdeltas4:  do you use gnome?
02:52.58deltas4no
02:53.38Bushmillsnot an option. a header of package section
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02:55.18kerami am not sure what i am looking for
02:55.32simonrvn!gtkswitch
02:55.36kerami see an access,update,select,install,config,remove,and quit options
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02:55.42simonrvn!gtk switch
02:55.46simonrvnbleh
02:55.48[PRO]SkyRyderok
02:55.51[PRO]SkyRyderi have a problem
02:55.52[PRO]SkyRyder./server_linux: No such file or directory
02:55.57[PRO]SkyRydertheres deff a server there
02:56.01[PRO]SkyRyderits dong that for all my programs
02:56.02[PRO]SkyRyderwhat do i do
02:56.11deltas4for example firefox shows fixed for chinese fonts and I want arphic
02:56.16[PRO]SkyRyderanyone knwo
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02:56.23\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  what does  ls -l ./server_linux   print?
02:56.44abrotmanwonders how SkyRyder got IRC Professional
02:56.49[PRO]SkyRyder-rwxr--r-- 1 proz proz 948232 Aug  2  2007 ./server_linux
02:57.07abrotmanis your user 'proz' ?
02:57.10[PRO]SkyRyderyes
02:57.22\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  what does   file ./server_linux   say?
02:57.24abrotmanis your partition mounted noexec ?
02:57.49[PRO]SkyRyderproz@skyryder:~/tss2_rc2$ ./server_linux
02:57.49[PRO]SkyRyderbash: ./server_linux: No such file or directory
02:57.49[PRO]SkyRyderproz@skyryder:~/tss2_rc2$
02:57.56[PRO]SkyRyderidk
02:57.58abrotmanproblem solved!
02:57.59[PRO]SkyRyderits a stupid vps
02:58.08[PRO]SkyRyderwat
02:58.16abrotmanit's gone :)
02:58.25[PRO]SkyRyderno its there
02:58.50[PRO]SkyRyderidk wat it si
02:58.50\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:   what about  file ./server_linux    # 'file' is a command
02:59.00[PRO]SkyRyderits a file
02:59.04[PRO]SkyRyderto start a teamspeak serve
02:59.05[PRO]SkyRyderr
02:59.09\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  I know it's a file
02:59.18\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  'file' will tell you the binary format
02:59.39[PRO]SkyRyderno its not
02:59.42[PRO]SkyRyderlemme aptget it
02:59.53\amethystapt-get what?
03:00.03abrotmangives \amethyst a preemptive beer
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03:00.16[PRO]SkyRyderfile
03:00.31\amethystoh, you're missing priority standard stuff?
03:00.38[PRO]SkyRyderikd
03:00.39[PRO]SkyRydermaby
03:00.47[PRO]SkyRyder./server_linux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
03:00.52\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  what does  uname -a  say  ?
03:01.08[PRO]SkyRyderLinux skyryder.host-nation.net 2.6.18-fza-028stab051.1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 7 15:14:08 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:01.27\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  ah
03:01.36[PRO]SkyRyderits a vps
03:01.50\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  so it's a 64-bit kernel... I wonder if it's 64-bit userspace
03:02.07[PRO]SkyRyderany idea y it isn't working
03:02.17[PRO]SkyRyderwat basic tihngs do i need for it to work
03:02.18[PRO]SkyRyderlol
03:02.36\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  You have a 32-bit binary and a 64-bit OS.  You probably need, at the very least, ia32-libs to run it
03:02.43abrotmanfile /bin/bash .. says ?
03:02.53abrotmanshould say if it's 64bit right ?
03:03.15reZowhats up with that aptitude dist-upgrade "try harder" thing? :/
03:03.18\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  yeah, do what abrotman says... does it say 32-bit or 64-bit ?
03:03.18reZois that good or bad?
03:03.34[PRO]SkyRyderok
03:03.38abrotmanreZo: it's trying harder
03:03.43[PRO]SkyRyderit says /bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped
03:03.45reZoit says: open: x, closed: x, conflict: x
03:03.48reZowere x is int,
03:04.03\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  yes, that sounds like the problem then
03:04.19[PRO]SkyRyderhow do i fix i
03:04.22[PRO]SkyRydert'
03:04.31\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  start out by installing the ia32-libs package
03:05.02[PRO]SkyRyderinstalling
03:05.03[PRO]SkyRydernow
03:05.04abrotmanreZo: it's only a problem if it can't find a solution
03:05.05\amethyst[PRO]SkyRyder:  then either it will work, or it will get further than it was and give you an error about a missing library
03:05.18reZookay
03:05.43[PRO]SkyRyderit works
03:05.49reZoit's found a solution, do i choose to accept?
03:05.53[PRO]SkyRyderthanks
03:05.54[PRO]SkyRyder:)
03:06.06abrotmanreZo: read the outcome and decide for yourself
03:06.18\amethystreZo:  does that solution involve removing any packages that you need, or installing any packages that you really really don't want?
03:06.48reZolibperl5.8 is being removed :/
03:07.00\amethystreZo:  sid?
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03:07.04reZolenny
03:07.07abrotmanyay!
03:07.09reZofrom etch
03:07.18\amethystreZo:  oh, right, 5.10 has made it to lenny
03:07.24reZoah :)
03:07.28reZoi'll accept solution then
03:07.55reZomy god, that's a lot of packages it's gonna install :|
03:07.56\amethystreZo:  btw, in the future, if the solution is *almost* right, but needs just one or two tweaks, you can give aptitude hints at the Y/n prompt
03:08.10\amethystreZo:   like   +icantlivewithoutit
03:08.12reZo:)
03:08.15\amethystreZo:  and  -ihateit
03:08.24reZoah okay
03:08.33reZoat the Y/n/q prompt?
03:08.42\amethysthm
03:08.49\amethystI might be misremembering which prompt
03:09.14\amethystreZo:  yes, at that prompt
03:09.19reZoheh, all good, it's installing packages, so i'll remember that for next time if there are any packages that need altering :)
03:09.22reZosweet
03:09.23\amethystreZo:  you can hit ?  for a list of options
03:09.30reZooh cool
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03:18.53superjoe30going from virtualbox 6.0 to 6.2 breaks, how do I install an old version?
03:19.27superjoe30using the package manager, of course
03:19.31kripz_ok so i installed some stuff manually by compiling, how do i remove the program now?
03:19.44superjoe30make uninstall and cross your fingers
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03:19.57Nylehope to die
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03:20.09Nyleor cry
03:20.29Nylelions and tigers and bears, oh my!
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03:20.39Nylenow I shall go bye bye.
03:20.55defryskkripz_, next time use checkinstall in stead of make install
03:21.07superjoe30defrysk: what does that do exactly?
03:21.21defryskit creates an ad hoc .deb package
03:21.30superjoe30ah, I've been looking for that
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03:22.05superjoe30synaptic package manager surely has a function to install an older version? or perhaps the manager deletes the old packages from the repository?
03:22.16superjoe30*the repo manager
03:22.39superjoe30but it should still be on my system
03:22.59superjoe30come on, dudes, simple problem
03:23.35defryskyou can pin packages so they wont be upgraded , but am not exactly sure how it works
03:23.50superjoe30defrysk: I see that option, but once the new stuff is there, no way to go back
03:23.59defrysksure there is
03:24.13defryskapt-get remove -- purge foo
03:24.27superjoe30and then how to install the specific version?
03:24.34defryskand then install the old package
03:24.42superjoe30what's the command for that?
03:24.56superjoe30I could find it on the hard drive, I guess
03:24.58defryskdpkg -i oldfoo
03:24.58dpkgremoves a speen from defrysk and replaces it with oldfoo
03:25.11superjoe30oh
03:26.06superjoe30yeah that makes sense
03:26.08defrysksuperjoe30, look in  /var/cache/apt/archives/
03:26.28superjoe30yesss
03:26.29defryskls  /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep foo
03:26.47superjoe30I was doing o.k. with locate :P
03:26.50defryskand select the old version to install
03:26.55defryskwhatever ;p
03:27.16superjoe30thank you much
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03:30.53Nyle11:23 <           defrysk> you can pin packages so they wont be upgraded , but am not exactly sure how it works
03:30.59Nyle!hold
03:31.00dpkghold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
03:33.15Nylestew, ping
03:33.37Nylestew, you are going to remove the ban on markybob?
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03:35.00kerberosHi
03:35.40Nyle01:23 <              stew> markybob: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
03:35.45peterSNyle: <markybob_> i wonder how many ips i can come up with.  nice
03:35.53peterSNyle: I wouldn't be too tolerant of people who play those games
03:35.53Nyleahhh
03:36.00Nyleyeh that makes sense
03:36.02peterS(that's after he evaded his first ban)
03:36.03NyleI was just wondering though
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03:36.11peterSI wasn't here, I just looked at logs just now
03:36.21Nyleyeh I was about to grep em
03:36.55stewnot to mention: <markybob> ____ you and ____ your mother.  hope your ____ feels harder.  you're still a _______
03:37.00stew[explitives deleted]
03:37.11Nyleoh shit...
03:37.15Nyledamn.
03:37.30kerberoshi
03:37.33Nylehola
03:37.36stewsince then all he has been wiling to discuss with me is how he and his army of proxy server can't be stopped
03:37.52superjoe30lol
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03:40.07path__I need to convert a plain text (.txt) to html
03:40.08path__any program ?
03:40.14superjoe30perl
03:40.30path__thanks
03:40.31path__:D
03:41.04fignewpath__: mv file.txt file.html
03:41.05fignew:P
03:41.13path__haha
03:41.24path__found txt2html lmao
03:41.25NyleI remember like 6 years ago or 5 years ago, I was sorta new here, and I got banned for something or other, and I was on dialup, but they only banned my nickname just to silence me, so I changed my nickname and rejoined, I remember lilo banned me from the irc network for 2 weeks
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03:41.29Nylehehe crazy lilo
03:42.04fignewhah! you must have done something stupid to have pissed off lilo :P
03:42.22Nylenah, nothing, i think he was in a pissed off mood that day
03:42.43Nylehe *sort of* said *he felt bad for that* later on when I confronted him in private
03:42.57cafuegodenies any involvement
03:43.01Nylelol
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03:44.01Nylecafuego, it was all your fault!
03:44.05Nyle;)
03:44.31cafuegoNyle: ____ you and ____ your pet chicken.
03:44.37Nylehahaha
03:44.50Nyleoh man, hehe crazy ol cafuego
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03:45.11Nyleman who said that
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03:45.40NyleI think its a famous movie line
03:46.01cafuegoNyle: yes, I am.
03:46.35theperl2exe
03:47.16Nylethe, please do not /msg me
03:47.40Supaplex!blame tEh the
03:47.40dpkgblames radius and tEh the for all the evil in the world
03:47.40Nylethe, please ask your question again
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03:48.15Nylethe, seriously stop messaging me.
03:48.33cafuegoNyle: /mode +CE
03:48.35Supaplex!tell the about msg
03:48.50Nyle11:46 >>>>  channels : #debian #ubuntu
03:49.06NyleI'm not sure if to feel sorry for him or what
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03:49.17cafuegoNyle: I'm on them too
03:49.40NyleI always feel bad for newbs who msg me and then they want to do something really simple but I either don't wanan help em or can't help em
03:49.54NyleI dunno, but then I decide to not say anything and then I stop feeling bad after a while
03:51.00thesorry
03:51.12Nyle!wayttd the
03:51.12dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, the?
03:51.48Supaplexmoving on *yawn*
03:51.50thehow to access my home server from outside
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03:52.04theI have 1 modem and 1 wireless router
03:52.08Nylethe, you want to be able to access it how?
03:52.12DoaHi
03:52.15cafuegoaccess how? a shell? via a browser?
03:52.16thessh and ftp
03:52.17Doanot sure
03:52.19cafuegoOk.
03:52.27Nylethe, aptitude install ssh
03:52.35thedone already
03:52.36Supaplexwell, nat/dnat/snat is likely involved.
03:52.37Nylethe, aptitude isntall vsftpd
03:52.44cafuegoConfigure the router to forward port 22/tcp to the server's IP.
03:52.47Nyle!tell the -about vsftpd
03:53.13thehow about my modem
03:53.16cafuego21/tcp as well... your mileage may vary for ftp in pasv mode... I'd just go wth scp or sftp, as they run over port 22 too.
03:53.18Nylethe, once you have your services setup and you can access them from your internal network, do as cafuego says
03:53.38Nylethe, forward the proper ports for both services
03:53.45Nylethe, forward ports 20-22
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03:54.39theNyle, now I can access from my internal network to port 22 and 22
03:54.51Supaplexftp in passive mode isn't an issue *if* you use iptables connection tracking. it will rewrite the payload on the fly and automatically DNAT setup ports back to the origin (or SNAT if your ftp client is inside going out)
03:55.21Nylethe, when you install openssh-server you can simply ssh user@ip
03:55.35cafuegoSupaplex: yeah, when he mentioned wifi router and modem i think iptables conntrack went out the window.
03:55.38Nyleyou don't have to forward ports for internal network (at least it seems on your setup)
03:55.50Supaplexhummm true.
03:55.57Nylethe, also visit portforward.com
03:56.03theNye, yaa but cant connect from outside the network
03:56.10theNyle,
03:56.19Nylethe, thats me
03:56.58thefor my wireless router, yes. I already forward th port to my server. How about my modem
03:57.02Nylethe, ssh uses port tcp 22, and ftp ues 21 tcp, sometimes for some thing i can't remember what, i think there is a port 20 for ftp too something i dunno
03:57.09wols_the: port frward port 22/tcp for your ssh server then
03:57.28Nylethe, which is it? dsl model or cable modem?
03:57.37Nylethe, is it a modem only or a router/modem?
03:57.55wols_the: what is the local IP of your server?
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03:58.11Nyle(most dsl modems also contain router built in)
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03:58.20Nylehowever most cable modems don't
03:58.21SupaplexI should figure out how to wire up the win32 box at work using openvpn to my openwrt box. :)
03:58.29thedsl modem
03:58.33NyleSupaplex, ddwrt is better
03:58.39themodem only
03:58.39wols_the: what is your local IP?
03:58.48Nylethe, sudo ifconfig
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03:59.03the192.168.xxx.xxx
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03:59.09wols_that means you have a router
03:59.10cafuegothe: And does the wifi appliance handle DSL or do you run pppoe on your Linux machine?
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03:59.22thewols_: yaa correct
03:59.32mohadibcan someone tell me what pkg in etch has lspci , I cant find it
03:59.41wols_!tell mohadib about search
03:59.41cafuegopciutils
03:59.43Nylewols_, he said he alrady forwarded the port on the router
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03:59.48evilsporkmana couple apps on my system are being really slow to render for no particular reason -- it appears as though they're just not repainting (windows moved over them and away are still rendered over their window, etc.) I am on testing and a newish laptop - pentium dual core, intel graphics, etc. glxinfo says i have direct rendering. I am running google desktop but it's not indexing. any ideas?
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04:00.23mohadibwols_: i did search with apt-cache
04:00.31evilsporkman"a few apps" includes kmail and pidgin but not amarok
04:00.31theCafuego : set pppoe on my modem
04:00.33mohadibapt-cache search lspci kicks back nothing
04:00.35wols_mohadib: wrong command. read the search factoid again
04:00.58cafuegothe: Ok, so it needs to not only forward port 22, it also needs to not block it.
04:00.58Nyleevilsporkman, kill the google pids
04:01.02wols_the: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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04:01.08Nyleevilsporkman, see if your situation gets better
04:01.11SupaplexNyle: ddrwt > openwrt   on what basis?
04:01.19NyleSupaplex, features
04:01.23wols_Supaplex: no basis. take it to #wrt or something
04:01.26mohadibwols_: thats the first command the factoid mentikons
04:01.36mohadibtries apt-file
04:01.39wols_mohadib: read ALL of it. not pick and choose
04:01.44theok hold on
04:01.44cafuegobeats mohadib
04:01.50cafuego13:59 < cafuego> pciutils
04:01.51Supaplextakes it to ##linux
04:01.55NyleSupaplex, #dd-wrt #openwrt
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04:02.04mohadibcafuego: ahh thankyou
04:02.56evilsporkmanNyle: seems to be improving...sigh
04:03.07thewols_ : ii  libc6          2.6.1-1ubuntu9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
04:03.23Nyleevilsporkman, px axu
04:03.24SupaplexNyle: oh sure, go to one or the other, and I'll be inciting a flame fest. ##linux or nothing wrt to my question (if you're serious, otherwise - whatever) TIA :)
04:03.38Nylemsg me
04:03.39wols_the: #ubuntu
04:03.50NyleI TOLD YOU!
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04:04.03wols_the: you just wasted our time since you use #ubuntu which is different with opening ports
04:04.05NyleI knew he was on ubuntu from the get go
04:04.13thecafuego: how to not block it
04:04.29wols_the: please go to #ubunut or install debian. we cannot help you
04:04.38cafuegothe: That depends on the router/modem. Some do it automagically whn you forward, others don't.
04:04.42Nylethe, you will no long recieve support here I'm afraid.  Please go to #ubuntu for support.
04:04.58the:(
04:05.01wols_cafuego: #ubunut is different about open ports
04:05.02evilsporkmanNyle: i do have a really huge find command running as nobdy...wtf?
04:05.09wols_evilsporkman: normal
04:05.10cafuegowols_: No, it's not.
04:05.13theok
04:05.14wols_cafuego: it is
04:05.14Nyleevilsporkman, guess who ran it!
04:05.16thenever mind
04:05.17cafuegowols_: No, it's not.
04:05.19Supaplexevilsporkman: crontab daily I bet
04:05.27cafuegowols_: install the ssh server, and it listens on port 22.
04:05.27theThanks guys
04:05.32Supaplexthe: we service what *we* sell. good luck.
04:05.38evilsporkmanno, nyle
04:05.41cafuegowols_: Not unlike debian.
04:05.44theic
04:05.51streuner_cafuego: who cares?
04:05.54wols_cafuego: I made the same mistake as you before. ask #ubuntu. not here
04:05.54path__whats the offical debian pastebin ? I think there is an official one out there
04:05.57theI though ubuntu = debian
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04:06.04wols_!tell the about ubunut
04:06.05streuner_cafuego: we are in #debian... ;-)
04:06.06wols_!tell the about ubuntu
04:06.11wols_!paste
04:06.12dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:06.27Nyle!guidelines
04:06.27dpkg1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam.
04:06.31cafuegostreuner_: He wanted help with his modem/router, not his Linux box. What distro he runs is irrelevent.
04:06.44NyleTHIS IS NOT #ubuntu
04:06.44wols_cafuego: not in here. then help him in #networking
04:06.57evilsporkmanNyle: first guess is you, second guess is gdesktop
04:07.07Nylethe first guidelines says... read /topic, /topic says it all
04:07.21cafuegoSo let me get this straight, if I need help with a debian VM but I run Ubuntu on my desktop box, I'll be told to go away too?
04:07.30Nylecafuego, no
04:07.40cafuegoThen *what* is the difference?
04:08.01cafuegothe: Sorry, it seems I'm not allowed to help you.
04:08.11Nylecafuego, go to #ubuntu and help him
04:08.12wols_cafuego: ask #ubuntu
04:08.16jiunshyonghi guys,  what is the room for  questions on firewall + email server issues ,  thks
04:08.21Nyleno one is stopping you from helping him
04:08.24Nylefeel free
04:08.40cafuegoHe doesn't have an Ubuntu problem, so why would I go to #ubuntu?
04:08.46Nylejust not in here, unless he install ubuntu, because the machine he is trying to get support on is an ubuntu machine per his output
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04:08.56wols_cafuego: if your problem is with debian, this is the channel. if your problem is with your router (how to portfward) or have a ubuntu problem it is not
04:08.59Nylebecause this is not #networking?
04:09.06Nylehe was told in general what to do
04:09.08Supaplexit's not a debian problem to track what every other distro does with our stuff
04:09.10Nylelet him figure it out or use #ubuntu
04:09.21cafuegoNyle: No, as I said, he's having problem wth his modem/router, not with debian or ubuntu.
04:09.27Nyleor install debian and we'll still tell him to read and/or go to #networking as we've already told him what to do
04:09.50thecafuego: ok never mind
04:09.54thethanks all
04:09.59the:)
04:10.04jiunshyong<PROTECTED>
04:10.11cafuegoWhich seems to not be offtopic UNTIL he pasted his libc6 version, which was also irrelevant to the actual problem.
04:10.11evilsporkmanNyle: so who ran the massive find command
04:10.27wols_jiunshyong: here or the involved programs channels
04:10.29Nyleevilsporkman, I was thinking maybe google?
04:10.32cafuegoSo either be consistent, or stop being so damn rude.
04:10.33wols_evilsporkman: cron
04:10.36Nylesomehow launched it like so, so it could index
04:10.42Nyleperhaps...
04:10.42wols_cafuego: please drop it
04:10.47Supaplexevilsporkman: that one sounds like a daily cron job for updatedb
04:10.49cafuegoAND your pet chicken.
04:10.51Nylecafuego, who me?
04:11.00Nyledude I was never rude to you or anyone
04:11.06NyleI was just to the point.
04:11.07wols_cafuego: we are consistent: we don't support routers. end of it (unless they happen to run debian)
04:11.09evilsporkmanthanks
04:11.19jiunshyongi am running a pfsense firewall based on freebsd  and i am having problem on how to connect my mail server to the outside
04:11.24cafuegoNever mind.
04:11.33cafuegoIt's still like a brick wall.
04:11.45wols_jiunshyong: from the mailserver telnet to a port 25 mailserver outside
04:12.05Nylecafuego, you are not being stopped from helping him, just not here
04:12.12Nyleits all good bro
04:12.19jiunshyongwols>  i don't have an outside mail server
04:12.19Nylejust think about it
04:12.22Nyle:)
04:12.26wols_jiunshyong: but the internet has one
04:12.34wols_lots of them in fact
04:12.35Supaplexponders how much trouble this multi-machine hardware swapping is going to be ... hummm
04:12.42jiunshyongcould i telnet to gmail mail server?
04:12.48wols_jiunshyong: yes
04:12.53cafuegoNyle: No, I wanted him to check U*one* thing, which would have probably been fine, but instead there were 2 screens of "go away we won't help you" noise.
04:13.12wols_cafuego: can you please drop it? complain to the ops
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04:13.28Nylecafuego, then if you already said you also join #ubuntu, and he is also there, and he is using ubuntu, why not help him there?
04:13.32Nylenm.
04:13.39jiunshyongwols> ok,  thks,  hold on as i m changing my configurations as i just did some testing direct to my modem, bypassing the firewall
04:13.41Nyledrinks his flavored water
04:13.55cafuegourinates on the couch
04:14.08Supaplex!taunt cafuego
04:14.08Nyleahhhh propel, refreshing.
04:14.08dpkglooks at cafuego's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee.
04:14.48streuner_cafuego is a old fart, and as long ubuntu exist he support it
04:14.53jiunshyongwols> of course, i need to use 'localhost'  or my internal ip addressing, replacing my just now    fixed ip address right  ?
04:14.54streuner_s/a/an/
04:15.24jiunshyongwols> for my courier, exim4, apache2 n squirrelmail settings
04:15.28wols_jiunshyong: no you don't
04:16.05cafuegostreuner_: actually, i help people who have a problem, unless i can't
04:16.10cafuego(or won't)
04:16.11jiunshyongwols>  but internal LAN is in 192.168.1.x
04:16.37jiunshyongwols> do i just go on enabling the NAT in my pfsense firewall
04:16.43wols_JonkoPAA: please do what I told you. google is not localhost and is not 192.168.1.x either. so your local IP doesn#t matter.
04:16.56wols_JonkoPAA: I don't know or care about your firewall. I care about debian
04:17.04wols_jiunshyong: ^^
04:18.13jiunshyongwols>  just that i don;t know how to enable pfsense NAT settings to enable it to give access to my debian mail server
04:18.24wols_jiunshyong: this is #debian. we do not support pfsense
04:18.32jiunshyongok
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04:19.21jiunshyongbrb am getting some advice from #pfsense
04:19.28setuidIs it possible to turn a compiled tree of source into an installable .deb? I'm trying to make hourly builds of a project I host for some OSS developers
04:19.41wols_astro76: yes of course
04:19.56Nylesetuid, yes
04:20.06setuidNyle, and?
04:20.08Nylesetuid, /msg dpkg maint guide
04:20.11wols_-astro76:
04:20.17Nyleignore the policy requirements
04:20.21Nyleif you need to
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04:20.45Nylesetuid, or a simpler overview at /msg dpkg package basics
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04:20.59Nylesetuid, you'd want binary only package (i think that is what you asked)
04:21.03setuid<dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait.
04:21.03setuid<dpkg> Package 'guide' does not exist.
04:21.17Nyle!dpkgbot
04:21.18dpkgPlease visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.  Ask me about <search dpkg>
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04:21.33wols_setuid: no one asked you to install "guide". read more carefully
04:21.36Nylesetuid, in irc, /msg dpkg
04:21.54reZoi've got a X11 problem when issueing "startx" on lenny, http://rafb.net/p/eSG65939.html, how can i resolve this?
04:22.08Nylesetuid, or aptitude install maint-guide
04:22.22wols_reZo: pastebin your xorg.conf
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04:22.27reZookay,
04:22.46wols_reZo: and lspci output
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04:22.53reZooh wow, it's very small :/
04:23.21reZoi might try backing this current xorg.conf up first, and uh, put my old in replacement, see if that works first
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04:24.02reZohowever, here it is: http://rafb.net/p/1jV5Dz54.html xorg.conf
04:24.27wols_I asked you for lspci output
04:24.43reZowols_ thats coming now
04:25.02NylereZo, /exec - -o echo `lspci|grep VGA`
04:25.03Nylein irc.
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04:25.10reZowols_ http://rafb.net/p/MkAhvK37.html
04:25.15kripz_i just tried to dist-upgrade to lenny and go this error: lazyjimsee is a leaver "[dc] sd pros, leave = ban rmkkk", 5v4* at 00:03:34 on the 29/02/2008 on Lordaeron.
04:25.17kripz_oops
04:25.27Nylehehe
04:25.34reZo00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
04:25.37kripz_i just tried to dist-upgrade to lenny and got this  Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring
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04:26.24Nylekripz_, whole error output pastebin
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04:28.28NylereZo, google for  `Non-contiguous GTT entries debian'
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04:28.44Nylemaybe help you find something out in the meantime
04:29.11reZookay thanks,
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04:29.59streuner_kripz_: can you paste the whole error + command into paste.debian.net ?
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04:30.20Nylestreuner_, I already asked him that
04:30.24Nylewaiting...
04:30.29streuner_hm
04:30.41streuner_goes into kitchen for a coffee...
04:30.53Nyleeats a red skittle
04:31.48netdaemonlikes the green ones better
04:32.02Nyleok then /me eats a friggin green one
04:32.03Nyleyummy
04:32.12netdaemonhehe
04:32.18cafuegothat was no skittle!
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04:32.34netdaemonoh noez
04:32.44Nylei don' eat buggers
04:32.47Nyle:)
04:32.52Nyleboogers w/e
04:33.13netdaemongnome or kde on this here desky, hrm
04:33.19NyleKDE!
04:33.22Nyleno questions asked.
04:33.25TiMiDohey
04:33.27TiMiDowhen you download a module
04:33.28Nyleif you ask em, I'll hurt you
04:33.29TiMiDogspca-modules-2.6.25-2-686
04:33.33Nyleuhuh
04:33.35TiMiDoperhaps how do you installed?
04:33.44TiMiDowhen i do modprobe gspca it doesn't work
04:33.45Nylesudo modprobe gspca
04:33.53Nylelsmod |grep gspca
04:33.55TiMiDoFATAL: Module gspca not found
04:34.05netdaemonNyle, lol, may i see an opinion of why i should choose your way or the highway?
04:34.10cafuegoWell, try a non-imaginary module.
04:34.12NyleIjust installed this like last week on my logitech quick cam
04:34.30TiMiDoNyle: how though which package did you download?
04:34.34Nylenetdaemon, cuz kde is the shizboo
04:34.36reZoNyle, i can use startx as root, and it loads xfce4 perfect, however startx as normal user, has the same issue
04:34.38Nylenetdaemon, trying to remember
04:34.48NylereZo, so don't use startx as user
04:34.52kripz_http://pastebin.com/m6fd041b8
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04:35.03TiMiDodarn it Nyle can you help me?
04:35.06reZoNyle, but i want to login with my normal user account :/
04:35.08NylereZo, aptitude install gdm && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
04:35.16reZookay
04:35.18NylereZo, so you can login with normal user under gdm
04:35.27Nylexfce4+gdm == ftw
04:35.28reZo:)
04:35.30Nyle:)
04:35.33reZoyeah, gdm rules
04:35.33netdaemonheh
04:35.54NyleTiMiDo, hang on
04:36.03TiMiDothnx
04:36.08streuner_TiMiDo: dpkg -L <package> and look into that
04:36.25TiMiDostreuner_: im actually installing it via apt
04:36.38TiMiDobut how do you buuild the module though?
04:36.47streuner_gspca-modules-2.6-686-bigmem - Driver for webcams and digicams based on spca5xx
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04:37.03streuner_isn't that module already compiled?
04:37.12TiMiDohmmm let's see
04:37.27netdaemonNyle, must not be too important ;)
04:37.29netdaemonhehe
04:37.37Nyleahh hangon
04:37.40Nylegeez.
04:37.46TiMiDobrb
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04:38.23kripz_streuner_: http://pastebin.com/m6fd041b8
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04:39.28Nylegspca                 645712  0
04:39.33Nyle!gspca
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04:39.59reZoNyle, thanks, seems to work perfect via gdm. however, one more problem, all my fonts seem to be about 200pt in size :/, how can i make them normal size again? :/
04:40.06Nyledpkg gspca is the webcam driver for a buncha diff webcams
04:40.06dpkgokay, Nyle
04:40.28reZogdm tag line fonts were normal size, but the username / password field fonts were extra large as well
04:41.07pipelinereZo: DPI problem
04:41.09Nyledpkg gspca one-liner is aptitude install gspca-source module-asssistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i gspca && modprobe gspca
04:41.09dpkgNyle: okay
04:41.10pipelinereZo: fix your DPI.
04:41.14NylereZo, hey
04:41.19NylereZo, sorry i was busy with dpkg
04:41.24reZo:)
04:41.27reZocool as
04:41.29NylereZo, check your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
04:41.41NylereZo, search for ServerCmd
04:41.55Nyle(I think) maybe X is being launched with a -dpi switch
04:42.00reZoPattern not found,
04:42.06NyleI'm not too upto date on gdm as I don't use it(I use kdm)
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04:42.29NylereZo, ok /etc/X11/something or other/xserverrc
04:42.48Nylemabye there is a dpi switch there (honestly i have no idea because when i sed gdm the config used to be diff)
04:42.49reZookay cool as, i'll figure it out i hope
04:42.53Nyleit has changed drastically
04:42.58reZo:)
04:43.10netdaemonNyle, you use gtk-qt-engine or qtcurve btw?
04:43.13netdaemonor none =)
04:43.40Nylenetdaemon, xfce4-mcs-plugins, xfce4-mcs-manager, gtk2-engines-xfce
04:43.47Nyleuses xfce-kolors
04:44.11Nylefor gtk2 apps within kde, that is
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04:44.22netdaemoninteresting
04:44.33netdaemondidnt know xfce had that capability
04:44.34Nyleotherwise I use Keramik theme with Plasik window decorations
04:44.58Nylenetdaemon, I've been kown to hack xfce code when it doens't workthe wya I want
04:45.11NyleI used to use it heavily,religiously
04:45.19setuidhrm, checkinstall doesn't work either
04:45.25setuidfails to create an rpm, fails to create a .deb
04:45.26Nylethen I found KDE and all my needs were satisfied
04:45.42streuner_kripz_: is gnupg installed?
04:46.00netdaemonkde is indeed powerful
04:46.12netdaemona little impatient for 4.1 though =)
04:46.21defrysksetuid, use checkeinstall as root or fakeroot
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04:48.46Nyleman
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04:48.56Nylesometimes I wish I knew linux as much as you guys
04:49.09Nyleseriously, that is a HUGE wish of mine
04:49.24setuidI've been using/developing on Linux for > 14 years, and I still feel like a newbie
04:49.31NyleI try and try, and read and read, and try more and read more, but some of you people are awesome at it
04:49.35Nyledamn
04:49.38setuidThere's so many moving parts, it's impossible to know everything
04:49.53setuidAnd I'm VERY good at Linux, but weird nuances escape me
04:50.07NyleLinux is a hobby of mine
04:50.12NyleMS pays my bills
04:50.25Nyle(not directly of course)
04:50.30setuidLinux pays mine (nice fat mid-6-figure salary)
04:50.40setuidNo college, just a Linux hacker
04:50.44netdaemonsetuid, where do you work?
04:50.52Nylesetuid, thats great
04:51.03setuidnetdaemon, Currently? A financial services company in Manhattan
04:51.03Nylesetuid, I make enough to not be rich, but enough to not be poor
04:51.10Nyleand try to keep it that way
04:51.18netdaemoni'm a poor college student right now
04:51.21Nylesetuid, you a yankee?
04:51.28setuidYep
04:51.28nevynsetuid: mid 6 figure puts you on half a mil a year.
04:51.31setuidMinus the accent
04:51.33netdaemonlinux is pretty much a way of life outside of college for me, hope to get hacking at stuff soon
04:51.33nevynthat's obcene
04:51.33Nylesetuid, /me in queens
04:51.48setuidFor the last 10 years, my jobs have all been 100% linux-based work
04:51.50Nylesetuid, buncha people from #debian in nyc
04:51.51cafuegonevyn: the USD is worth a lot less these days than it used to be
04:51.56Nylesetuid, we party hardy
04:51.56netdaemongen ed classes take the majority of my time
04:51.59nevyngrubles.
04:52.05setuidcafuego, In fact, 1/2 as much
04:52.15setuid$1.00 USD is like $0.47 EU
04:52.25Nylesetuid, dollar sucks
04:52.27nevynit's like the australian dollar ;)
04:52.33noritrit don't matter the value of the $ - his six figure is imaginary any way
04:52.39cafuegowould also make lots of money if he had database access at a financial services company ;-)
04:52.42setuid$0.64, in fact
04:52.54setuidcafuego, We're hiring
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04:53.06setuidI need to bring 2 more people into my team
04:53.11cafuegosetuid: I'm not moving to the US for any figure.
04:53.20setuidOh, non-US
04:53.20noritronly if you are a foreclosure or repo company
04:53.21cafuegoNot until that monkey is voted out.
04:53.27defrysklol
04:53.30setuidYeah, that's going to be tough
04:53.35Nyleis sr. sys admin at a very large company, its a pos job but whatever, it pays well enough I suppose. Shit they pay better than that 100k a year bullshit Dell job
04:53.39Nylegod dell sucked ass
04:53.46Nylenever gonna work for a corporation again
04:53.48NyleEVER
04:53.54netdaemonlol
04:53.56Nylenot on pain of death
04:53.56setuidsr sysadmin, eh?
04:53.59cafuegoNyle: You ARE the corporation
04:54.05setuidCan I grill you with some of my zinger interview questions?
04:54.13nevynmmmm
04:54.17cafuegonevyn: go on
04:54.29Nylesetuid, like I said linux is a hobby
04:54.39NyleI do only win32/64 for a living
04:54.40setuidThese are sysadmin questions, not Linux
04:54.43reZoi've experiemented with changing the DPI to 96x96, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf however, it doesn't make a difference in the font size :/
04:54.44reZohmm
04:54.45Nyleok
04:54.47netdaemonNyle, plenty of mcse applicants eh?
04:54.58nevynhttp://www.reddit.com/info/6nslu/comments/c04e24m
04:54.59setuidNobody else answer please, even if you know... I want to pick Nyle's brain for a sec.
04:55.00cafuegosetuid: no, you can't have a suid root shell to run your cron script.
04:55.11Nylemy brain is fried enough as it is
04:55.18NyleI've hospitalized and been sick for 2 weeksnow
04:55.20setuidcafuego, Hahaha, I don't need that anymore, this isn't 1998 ;)
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04:55.26Nylebut go ahead
04:55.27nevynI think anwers by pm
04:55.28Nylequiz me
04:55.33CorrinereZo : if you want to change the font DPI, try the utilty for your window manager
04:55.34NyleI'm down with it
04:55.40setuidThat'll work, pm me with answers
04:55.42nevynit's ot for here.
04:55.44Nylebut its OT here
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04:55.51CorrineKDE at least, handles it
04:55.51nevyntry -offtopic?
04:55.52cafuego!win me
04:55.53dpkgCongratulations, cafuego! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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04:56.10defryskhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7458479.stm
04:56.18setuidNyle: Ok, so you make a DNS request for resolution and the response is larger than 512 bytes, and your request never receives a response. What happens next?
04:56.36Nylesetuid, reformat and reinstall, blame it on adware.
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04:56.52Nylethen go have a coffee and talk to the hot desk girl across the hall
04:56.57reZoCorrine, a bit hard when each letter on screen takes up 1/4 of your screen :/
04:57.16Nyleimpress her with my linux hacker talk.
04:57.51CorrineAh, I know that bug
04:58.07Corrinelet me know if you find a way to fix it
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04:59.51Nylesetuid, on a serious note, depends on the server version
04:59.58kripz_can u make the terminal colored?
05:00.03Nylebut this talk is better for ##windows
05:00.03kripz_for root
05:00.06setuidNyle, Wrong on all counts
05:00.30setuidThe right answer should be: "The request is retried over TCP. That also fails. Why? Answer: Because 53/TCP is blocked at the router."
05:00.32Nyle2k sends a truncation bit at 512 indicating full response didn't fit
05:00.58Nyleof course its udp
05:01.05Nyleoh you got me with the response recivebit
05:01.07Nyleahh tricky
05:01.10Nylenice one
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05:01.25samantha--how do i get mp3 support working in sound juicer?
05:01.26wols_kripz_: yes
05:01.26setuidWithout looking up, what is TTL?
05:01.27Corrinekripz_
05:01.32Nyletime to die
05:01.37Nylequit grillin me
05:01.39Nyleffs. :)
05:01.52Corrinego to root mode, and type alias ls=ls --color=auto
05:01.54wols_setuid: can you grill people elswhere? we know by now how "good" you are?
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05:02.07setuidwols_, I'm just throwing out "candidate" questions
05:02.14setuidTher'es tons of things I don't know
05:02.16wols_setuid: you are OT!
05:02.19Corrineactually.. that didn't work
05:02.26cafuegosamantha--: You need to make sure `lame' is installed.
05:02.39samantha--cafuego, installed, set to manual.
05:02.43reZoCorrine, you know a fix for my bug did you say? :D
05:02.46Corrinealias "ls=ls --color=auto"
05:02.49cafuegosamantha--: ... if you want to encode via gstreamer there's some other malarkey you might need to do
05:02.58CorrinereZo: no, I know the bug, but no fix
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05:03.05reZoah okay
05:03.12Corrinewant the fix though, cause it pops up every couple of months
05:03.14noritrdoes anyone know where the ^C code is - i'd like to add something after ^C  does it's thing
05:03.15cafuegosamantha--: http://www.emcken.dk/weblog/archives/99-MP3-encoding-with-Sound-Juicer.html
05:03.16reZoi think i might of found a fix myself actually, http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/03/05/15/10/36-debian-lenny-xfce-cd-buggy-as-no
05:03.17wols_reZo: possibly a different, newer i810 driver
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05:04.34edenrozhello
05:04.44edenrozi use python for add evenet on google calendar
05:04.54edenrozbut when i try to set reminders my script go in crash
05:05.43edenrozmy script at http://pastebin.com/mb210dfa
05:05.43reZoedenroz, ##python
05:05.57Nylewhy not #python?
05:06.03reZoor that
05:06.08netdaemonprobably a redirect anyways
05:06.10Nyle##python is unofficial python
05:06.15reZooh,
05:06.16Nyleif it redirects then no problem
05:06.25Nyle## is for unofficial channels
05:06.28edenrozmmm #python need registration for join
05:06.34Nylelike #debian vs. ##debian etc.
05:06.48Nyleor how for example we can't have #windows but ##windows
05:06.50reZoNyle, makes sense, i remember reading that in the freenode faq a while back actually
05:07.06mohadibHello, I changed the icon theme in xfce , thunar is not following , any idea what I can do?
05:07.11setuidThat whole mess was retarded.. I chided lilo in person for setting it up that way
05:07.21Nylemohadib, #xfce
05:07.39mohadibthanks
05:07.41Nylesure
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05:08.02edenrozmm so i have to change chan?
05:08.16Corrinewhat is the difference between ##debian and #debian?
05:08.18Nyleedenroz, its very easy to register nickname
05:08.32NyleCorrine, heh, both are unofficial on freenode
05:08.46Nyleeven on oftc the official is unofficial
05:09.03Corrinethe ## seems empty on freenode
05:09.12edenrozNyle am under console on BitchX,all seems more hard :D
05:09.25Nylebitch x is horrible imo
05:09.37Nyleirssi is the greates freaking irc client ever freakin written
05:09.47setuidew
05:09.51Nyleand perl kicks ass so go figure how much kickery is involved in irssi
05:09.52edenrozNyle explain that to mine root :D
05:09.54setuidthere's always xchat-text
05:10.01setuidWhich nobody seems to know about
05:10.09Corrinexchat has a text version?
05:10.11Nylefarts in the general direction of anything but irssi
05:10.14setuidAlways has
05:10.41edenrozso where is best chan aboyt python? freenode?
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05:11.01reZoCorrine, do you know if the DPI bug effects gnome, or is it a general X bug?
05:11.10Nyleits not a bug
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05:11.17reZowell, the setting
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05:11.29Nyleyou can have a dpi directive in xorg.conf I forget exactly how to specify it
05:11.33CorrineI've only heard of it on gnome
05:11.59reZoOption "DPI" "x x y"
05:12.04Corrineif the default setting is unusable, its a bug
05:12.11reZoCorrine, ah okay, i'm on xfce4
05:12.29Corrineits probably generic to x then
05:12.48reZohmm
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05:13.02reZomine is set at 96 x 96, but still same size font in gdm etc
05:13.06NylereZo, it is the  DisplaySize XXX XXX directive in Monitor section of xorg.conf
05:13.07starz! the debian way
05:13.11starz!the debian way
05:13.13starzhrm
05:13.24Nylestarz, what you been smokin lately
05:13.26Nyle;)
05:13.29starzcrack
05:13.30starz:D
05:13.32reZoNyle, okay
05:13.46Nylewhile, of course, changing both the numbers to what the width and height in mm of your monitor’s picture area are.
05:13.49NylereZo, ^^
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05:14.20reZohmm
05:14.35NyleOption "UseEdidDpi" "TRUE" while taking out all other dpi directives
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05:14.46Nylethat should read it it from monitor
05:14.55Nylewhich really is what shoudl happen to begin with.
05:15.06reZoyeah, how can i do that?
05:15.09Nylethe -dpi is hackery and should not be used, xrog reads the values from the monitor
05:15.29Nylemonitor section
05:15.31Nyleagain.
05:16.00Nyledamn
05:16.09Nyle1:15 I gotta go to sleep man damn
05:16.56starz!debian love
05:16.58starzman
05:16.59starzsighs
05:17.06Nyle!lose starz
05:17.07dpkgstarz: You Lose.
05:17.19Nyle!comfort starz
05:17.20dpkgThere, there, starz.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
05:17.36starz!format war
05:17.38reZookay, so, i'm confused, what would be the best DPI setting for 1024x800 resolution?
05:17.40starzffs
05:17.57starzreZo, what size monitor?
05:18.00starzi would start with 96
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05:18.03starziirc
05:18.13NylereZo, I would use -dpi 120
05:18.23Nyleset a smaller font size
05:18.26reZookay, i'll start at 96 and go up lol
05:18.52Nylethat is just my preference, though I don't have to worry about it anyway
05:18.59starzhey
05:19.13starzis there a linky somewhere explaining what "the debian way is"?
05:19.15starzer
05:19.20starzis there a linky somewhere explaining what "the debian way" is?
05:19.20starzsigh
05:19.24starzway too many hours at work
05:19.24nevynstarz: sure
05:19.43nevyndebian install guide and there's the debian policy reference and lots of stuff..
05:19.44defryskstarz, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/
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05:20.23starzso.... defrysk what your really saying is...
05:20.25starz!rtfm
05:20.26dpkgi guess rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
05:20.27starz~_~
05:20.27aptSTOP DOING THAT!
05:20.48apt_getsorry
05:21.07setuidmakes starz SEE stars
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05:21.15setuid*BOP*
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05:22.58Nyle!debian book
05:22.58dpkgit has been said that debian book is ORA's "Learning Debian GNU/Linux", read it free online @ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/
05:23.27JemtWhere can I find documentation about the available modules for Xorg? (dri, glx, dbe etc)
05:23.32Nyle!debian faq
05:23.32dpkgdebian faq is, like, at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html
05:23.43NyleJemt, #xorg ?
05:23.44JemtI need to know which needs to be set for nVidia, ATI and Intel cards
05:23.49JemtNyle: Thanks :)
05:24.10wols_Jemt: x.org
05:25.04Jemtwols_: Ah, I tried xorg.org (which is under construction :)
05:25.05JemtThanks
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05:27.03Nyle!burning cds under debian
05:27.03dpkgburning cds under debian is probably http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/peripherals/cdrw.html
05:28.56Nyle!essentially debian
05:28.56dpkgit has been said that essentially debian is yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either.  Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian
05:29.19JemtGah, all that options dpkg provides :-/  How do I add an entry to dpkg (the bot) ?
05:29.32JemtI want it to know about a documentation page on x.org
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05:29.59TiMiDohey is firefox 3 out in debian already?
05:30.15peterSTiMiDo: rc2 is in unstable
05:30.18Nyle!tell TiMiDo -about ff3
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05:30.42peterSI want the long-lost mozilla 5.0 though
05:30.48Nyle!ff3
05:30.48dpkgff3 is probably just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.  Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it .
05:31.38Nyledpkg ff3 is also remember to mv your ~/.mozilla elsewhere as iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings
05:31.38dpkgokay, Nyle
05:31.46JyZyXEL!probably
05:31.47dpkgit has been said that probably is no and no is yes
05:31.57_stackit doesn't yet pass the acid3 test :)
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05:32.11JyZyXELhow bout links2 -g
05:32.41Nylefast efficient and works
05:32.51Nylelove links2
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05:32.55JyZyXELits awesome
05:33.06setuiddillo++
05:33.10|Ryan52How do you kill a process? kill, kill -s 9, and kill -s 2 all did not work.
05:33.16setuidkill -9
05:33.20setuidor pkill
05:33.22Nylesetuid, what is the status of the pid
05:33.26setuidor kill pidof
05:33.32Nylesetuid, you cannot kill Z
05:33.50setuidNyle, You can kill the parent pid and reap the Z child
05:33.57Nyleof course
05:34.00Nylebut you can't kill a Z
05:34.02Nyle.
05:34.08Nyle!zombie
05:34.08dpkgA zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code.  This usually means the parent process is buggy.  You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
05:34.37Nylejams to the cranberries - zombie
05:35.15|Ryan52okay. ty.
05:35.21Supaplexthen why can you kill zombies in half-life? :D
05:35.41_stackprepare the chain saws
05:35.43Nyle|Ryan52, man kill (read about the SIGNALS)
05:36.02Supaplexfires up the gravity gun and a few spare saw blades
05:36.22Nylegravity is not online
05:36.23Nyleheh
05:36.25Supaplexoh wait, those were headcrab zombies.
05:36.55Nyletokens
05:37.03Nylelots of video game arcade tokens
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05:37.09Supaplexdrops the blades, and shots Nyle's desk out the window *CRASH*
05:37.23NyleSupaplex, ever played Painkiller
05:37.33Supaplexnot in my lifetime
05:37.33Nyle(are you into FPS titles)
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05:38.02Nylenice metal sound track, great undead monsters to kill, amazing settings, evil dark and lots of fps action
05:38.10_stackdoes anyone here tryed cedega?
05:38.11NyleI've actually been playing Open Arena lately on sid
05:38.26JyZyXEL!sex
05:38.26dpkgupdatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep
05:38.28JyZyXELhahaha
05:38.36Supaplex_stack: that old buggy fork of wine?
05:38.37Nyleuses cedega to play NFS Carbon, Morrowind, Diablo 2, Darkstone on sid
05:38.51_stackSupaplex: sounds that one :)
05:38.55Supaplexoh, well, cept for the (C)protection scheme stuff.
05:39.08Supaplex!anyone
05:39.08dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
05:39.09_stackNyle: does it works well?
05:39.10NyleJyZyXEL, aptitude install funny-manpages && man condom
05:39.16Nyle_stack, yup
05:39.31SupaplexI can has grammar lessings?
05:39.34NyleI only boot windows for The Matrix, Oblivion, or Crysis
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05:39.58Nyleman baby
05:40.15Nyleoffspring of two parent procecces
05:40.16Nyle:D
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05:40.47NyleNAME
05:40.47Nyle<PROTECTED>
05:40.51Nyle<PROTECTED>
05:41.06Nyleanyway off to bed I go
05:41.08Nyleg'nite
05:41.17Supaplexnext time Nyle has the flu, we know his condom was defective
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05:42.14Nyleawe c'mon man
05:42.19NyleI don't sleep around that much :)
05:42.29netdaemonlinux users sleep around?
05:42.32netdaemon=O
05:42.39setuidYou betcha
05:42.42NyleI do not operate in promiscious mode :)
05:42.43Supaplextrue. Nyle's a geek.
05:42.56JemtWhat will happen if I load an extension in xorg.conf which is not supported (ie dri) ? Will it just be ignored? Or might xorg fail (not start up / crash at some point) ?
05:42.57netdaemoni'm spoken for so i can't, lol
05:43.01SupaplexNo manual entry for woman
05:43.17JyZyXELSupaplex what a surprise :p
05:43.24Nyleme a geek
05:43.27JyZyXEL!women
05:43.27dpkgit has been said that women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html, or http://xkcd.com/322/
05:43.28Nyleyou bet your ass
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05:44.08setuidCeren is still the hottest girl in Linux/BSD land... and I'm glad I got to work with her at Linuxcare ;)
05:44.19setuidhttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ceren+ercen&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
05:44.20Nyleok finally g'nite
05:44.23setuidTop row
05:44.36Nylebullshit
05:44.40Nylemy girl is the hottest
05:44.43NyleAND she uses debian
05:44.55JyZyXELpics
05:44.58Nyleanyway bye
05:45.00setuidBut does she wear latex?
05:45.13JyZyXELonly on special accations
05:45.13Nylesetuid, OT
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05:47.32owen1what package do i need to ran python app?
05:47.49Nyleit should be there with the system
05:47.55Nylejust type python to open a python console
05:48.00Nyleor python blah.py
05:48.04peterSowen1: python-minimal or python
05:48.19peterSdepending on whether the app would be considered minimal, I guess
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05:48.22NylepeterS, isn't it installed alongside a default debian isntall?
05:48.30peterSyes
05:48.34netdaemonheh, my girl is using ubuntu, i could probably migrate her to debian and she wouldn't be able to tell the difference though
05:48.41Nylethought as much
05:48.51peterSyour girl is colorblind?
05:48.57Nylehahahaha
05:49.06netdaemonpeterS, she was quick to change the shit brown
05:49.10NylepeterS, you call debian colorless?
05:49.16peterSwell, I don't call it brown
05:49.19Nyleruns after peterS
05:49.23peterSdebian, I mean.  I call ubuntu brown.
05:49.23NylepeterS, HAHAHAHA
05:49.29Nylefuckin A.
05:49.42netdaemonpeterS, i mean the only difference would be the spiffy usplash and the gnome logo
05:49.43Nyleharsh
05:49.55owen1Nyle: peterS: i get: RuntimeError: Bad magic number in .pyc file
05:50.17peterSowen1: you should be able to delete any .pyc file, that is just the compiled version of a .py file
05:50.31peterSowen1: your .pyc was probably built in a different version of python than debian's default
05:50.41Nylemaybe depends on a diff python ersion?
05:50.45Nyleversion*
05:50.54simonrvnit doesn't matter...
05:51.06owen1peterS: Nyle: what python should i get?
05:51.11simonrvnrm the thing
05:51.14peterSif you're curious though, you might experiment with running the code with 'python2.3' or 'python2.4' or 'python2.5', depending on what all you have installed
05:51.19simonrvn(the *.pyc)
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05:51.37Nylehmm
05:51.52simonrvnnext time the script is run it'll get regenerated
05:51.53owen1simonrvn: it's the podnova installtion file or something like this.
05:52.15simonrvnyeh, and? you're not rm'ing the .py ...
05:52.35owen1peterS: so i can get python2.5?
05:52.55Nylesure, but  probably not in etch
05:52.59Nylemaybe
05:53.23peterSowen1: if you are using debian testing (lenny), yes, in stable you can't, at least officially
05:53.30owen1simonrvn: that's the command:  python PodNova.pyc
05:53.40Nylewhat is a pod nova?
05:53.44Nyleits a cute name
05:53.45Nylepod
05:53.48simonrvnwhy are you running the pyc for?
05:53.56peterSowen1: anyway, as simon and I said, the .pyc is not important, if you delete it the corresponding .py file will still run fine
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05:54.05owen1Nyle: it's a podcacher client.
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05:54.16Nylewhat is a pod/
05:54.17Nyle?
05:54.18peterSand here I thought only perl used pod  (:
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05:54.23Nyle!pod
05:54.23dpkgi guess pod is Plain Old Documentation. for perl only (AFAIK).  If you have problems with syntax highlighting.. rememeber there is an empty line around the = parts
05:54.27owen1peterS: but that's how i run the app...
05:54.29Nyleoh
05:54.46Nylelike a pod cast thing?
05:54.47Nyleipod?
05:54.53owen1Nyle: podcasts. it's a website that keep my podcasts.
05:54.55Nyleradio?
05:54.58Nyleohok
05:55.00Nyleok
05:55.08Nyleits a cute name though, pod nova
05:55.14peterSowen1: trust me on this.  if you run the .py file it will not care if there is a .pyc there or not.  it may or may not work but not because of the absence of the .pyc file.
05:55.16Nylehehe pod
05:55.17owen1Nyle: audio stuff.
05:55.24Nylepawd
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05:55.34Nyleya freakin' pawd
05:55.39Nylehehe ok
05:56.57owen1peterS: on ubuntu i used to run this app by typing python PodNov.pyc   and you want me to delete this file?
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05:57.12peterSowen1: just try python PodNov.py
05:57.17SupaplexNyle: yo, guess what?
05:57.23Nylego on
05:57.24Supaplex!bugs 486939
05:57.27dpkg#486939:W[funny-manpages] condom: no warnings about multiple concurrent uses of condom in the same process space; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:51:06 UTC
05:57.32simonrvnowen1: the pyc is just the bytecompiled version of the py
05:57.38peterSif you do not have PodNov.py you should ask for it
05:58.16peterSanyway, recent ubunti have been on python 2.5, while debian stable is on python 2.4, so that would explain that
05:58.29owen1peterS: simonrvn: i don't see any py file.
05:58.31simonrvnseconds what peterS said
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05:58.41simonrvnpeterS> if you do not have PodNov.py you should ask for it
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05:58.58peterSif the author doesn't want to give you the source code, he or she sucks
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05:59.14Nyle!ping
05:59.14dpkgpong
05:59.16adamaI agree!
05:59.20adama!wtfpl
05:59.21dpkgwell, wtfpl is http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/, DFSG-compliant, GPL-compatible, free, non-copyleft, simple software license.
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05:59.52Nyledamn 47.32 s lag
05:59.59Nyle!ping
06:00.00dpkgpong
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06:00.04simonrvni second that "he or she sucks"
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06:00.16Nylewhoah
06:00.35Nylethat  was a flood...
06:00.38owen1simonrvn: peterS: what do u mean "i should ask for it"? what should i do?
06:00.50peterSowen1: email the author and ask for source code
06:01.12reZohttp://rafb.net/p/LkhjQb82.html
06:01.22reZostill having problems, you can check my progress, and see if i have made any mistake if you awnt
06:01.24owen1peterS: ok. btw, the folder's name is PodNova-2.4-linux-py25
06:01.27reZoand direct me, it's very annoying
06:01.45peterSif you get one that is labeled py23 or py24 it will be more likely to work in debian
06:01.55reZothe size of the dpi hasn't change at all in production, however i've changed it a number of times in the xorg.conf file, it's as if it's being ignored :/
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06:02.21peterSbut life is too short to go through hassle to use non-free software.  find stuff that comes with source, save yourself a lot of headache
06:02.31Nyleif you specify use edid dpi then don't specify the other two
06:02.31stewowen1: its gpl software, so whoever you got it from must also be willing to provide you with the source code
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06:03.05peterSreZo: are you overriding it with a -dpi switch in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers or similar?
06:03.22NylepeterS, he has gdm
06:03.26owen1stew: i'll check their site - www.podnova.com
06:03.29NyleI told him to look in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
06:03.33peterSoh ... dunno the corresponding gdm file
06:03.41Nylelong time ago
06:04.04reZohmm,
06:04.09Nylemy first guess was also that gdm is launching X witih a dpi arg
06:04.29peterSactually the quick way to check _that_ is just 'ps -fu root | grep bin/X'
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06:05.11Nylenope
06:05.16Nylehe is clean
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06:06.02aumliblame not in the feeds? wtf?!?
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06:06.21Nylehttp://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/oswg/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/gdm-reference/gdm-reference/x135.html
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06:06.35stewreZo: are you running gnome?
06:06.35netdaemonaum, debian-multimedia
06:06.42reZostew, xfce4
06:07.03aumnetdaemon: thx, shall find it
06:07.05Nyle[servers]
06:07.10Nyleok
06:07.12peterSreZo: Option      "DisplaySize" "112 968"  looks pretty wrong
06:07.19Nylelook in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
06:07.24peterSreZo: I doubt your screen is 11.2 cm horizontal and 96.8 cm vertical
06:07.28stewthat would be a very small monitor
06:07.30Nylein the [servers] section
06:07.33netdaemonaum, thats a separate repo btw
06:07.33Supaplexsweet display size
06:07.36stewoh, narrow
06:07.41peterSyes, very narrow
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06:07.45Nyleif you want, specify a dpi there
06:07.58xinguxorg calculates dpi from displaysize
06:08.04aumnetdaemon: maintained by the debian project? or has the official debian crew been assailed at 3am by Patent Police in hobnail boots?
06:08.08peterSI suspect it is more like Option "DisplaySize" 400 300, that would be about right for my 21" CRT
06:08.14stewaum: neither
06:08.23reZopeterS, yeah, that's what xdpy or whatever came up with :S
06:08.24peterS(I don't think you want quotes around the DisplaySize parameters, either)
06:08.25netdaemonaum, maintained by people who help maintain debian
06:08.30netdaemonaum, semi-official
06:08.35stewnot at all official
06:08.42netdaemonstew, hence the semi
06:08.46peterSreZo: how big is your screen physically, then?  width and height.
06:08.51aumrecently returned to debian sid after 2 years on buntu
06:09.03netdaemonaum, it won't break if thats what you're asking
06:09.04stewrechecks the meaning of hence
06:09.05aumgot used to virtually everything being available on buntu universe
06:09.25reZopeterS, normal laptop widescreen, not to sure the exact size though
06:09.26cycomaum: yeah, they had some really good cocaine.
06:09.44reZomaybe 15.3" or so
06:09.44peterSnot sure if there is a 'normal' laptop widescreen
06:09.59cycomreZo: what kind of laptop is it?
06:09.59Nyleeither 14.1 or 15.4
06:09.59reZoone moment, i'll google the model
06:10.00peterSI mean those things are all over the map
06:10.02Supaplexaum: still suffering from shiney new stuph syndrome?
06:10.15cycomNyle: don't forget weird-ass tibooks. 15.2"
06:10.16reZocycom, compaq presero (spelling)
06:10.23Nylecycom, ah didn't kow
06:10.25Nylekonw*
06:10.29Nylefuck it.
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06:10.36cycomreZo: if it's about 15" on a compaq, probably a 15.4"
06:10.40helo_anyone know how i can get more verbose output from my nfs kernel server?
06:10.46helo_i'd like to see which files are being accessed
06:10.46owen1aum: i just switched after 1 year on ubuntu
06:10.52SupaplexreZo: there are lots of presarios. try hwinfo and grab the model number from the bios info
06:11.02reZookay,
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06:11.16Nyleyeh well well I never used ubuntu except for a few  days on ever new release just to see
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06:11.33Nyleso there.. debian is nice
06:11.36owen1Nyle: just to feel the bloat
06:11.45aumgot fed up with buntu breaking from each 6-monthly release cycle
06:11.47cycomI use debian on my tibook just for the fact that ppc is still supported
06:11.55cycommy other laptop runs ubuntu because it's fast and I'm lazy
06:11.57snogglethorpeNyle: just to feel the brown
06:12.01cycom(the laptop that is)
06:12.03Nyleot
06:12.06aumwhereas sid breaks in only tiny ways with the frequent incremental updates
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06:12.41Nyleaum, sid is more stable than most 'stables'
06:12.44Nyleime.
06:12.48netdaemoneh
06:12.49Supaplexsid can make some distros look like they stole our expreimental
06:12.54aumNyle: haha, ditto for me
06:12.56netdaemonreminds that he heard pam broke at one time o_O
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06:13.09Nyleit happens
06:13.11owen1anyone knows any podcast client (prefered text based)?
06:13.16Supaplexone time? I recall a few here or there.
06:13.17stewowen1: podget
06:13.25netdaemonregardless it broke
06:13.25reZolaptop is: compaq presario C300 laptop
06:13.32reZotrying to find screen size now
06:13.32aummy only complaint with sid this time is the transitional x.org, where dpkg-reconfigure doesn't allow access to display settings
06:13.39netdaemonbut i'm guilty of running sid and the occasional experimental package too...
06:13.47Nyleaum, its good like that
06:13.51Nyleaum, use xrandr
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06:14.05NyleXorg should really not need to be configured anymore
06:14.13Nylewouldn't that be nice? just think about it...
06:14.15aumNyle: i just took my old xorg.conf from buntu
06:14.28peterSnetdaemon: yeah, pam broke for a day or so in like 2005.  that was a fun day to track unstable.
06:14.30Nylefinally a GUI solution that doesn't required poring over bullshit xorg settings and files
06:14.30Supaplextweaks the modeline timings to fit edge to edge on his monitors
06:14.35aumis stuck with freaken proprietary nvidia driver
06:14.47Supaplex!lart nvidia.ko
06:14.47dpkgslaps nvidia.ko upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
06:14.51owen1stew: i'll take a look
06:14.53netdaemonpeterS, not dist-upgrading has worked well for me, it keeps most broken things out
06:15.12Nylefull upgrades everyway
06:15.15Nyleday*
06:15.22aumNyle: some would say that people shouldn't be allowed to use linux unless they can learn weird scripting syntaxes intuitively
06:15.39Nyledepeds on the user
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06:15.48aumfrom a slackware user's point of view, debian is more like... w**dows vista :P
06:15.58netdaemonNyle, brave sole, i need this compy for assignments and stuff
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06:16.10netdaemonrisking "unstable" is enough ;)
06:16.19Nylemy grandmother shouldn't spend 800$ on a new pc, when her old p3 machine with 128mb ram can easily run xfce or xpde + browsers and audio/video players
06:16.20Supaplexwinders? wth? :P
06:16.32Nylethats a linux user right there who doesn' tneed to knwo anything at all
06:16.33Nylereally.
06:17.08Supaplexskim grandma off the top for your habbit? *gasp*
06:17.15aumdoes debian-multimedia have a non-crippleware version of ffmpeg?
06:17.25netdaemonaum, afaik yes
06:17.30Nylewhat do you mean?
06:17.32aumsw337
06:17.37netdaemon...
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06:17.42Nyleof freaking course...
06:17.44Nylesweet dude
06:17.45Nylec'mon
06:17.48aumNyle: standard sid ffmpeg has most of the codecs stripped out
06:17.54owen1can i install package with regular user?
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06:17.55SKOMhi all
06:18.00Nyleowen1, no
06:18.08Nyleowen1, well maybe if you have sudo access
06:18.14netdaemoni'v not had problems with codecs with the standard ffmpeg, but ok
06:18.25NyleI get everything from dmm
06:18.28netdaemonNyle, sudo elevates privleges nontheless
06:18.40Supaplexor mad skills with debootstrap+fakechroot+fakeroot
06:18.45netdaemonjust in a finer grained way than full root
06:18.48owen1Nyle: should i use sudo or should i use su? (what is the difference anyway)
06:18.48Nylenetdaemon, then obviously no.
06:18.57Nylesudo is better
06:19.05Supaplexit has no trans fats
06:19.08Nyleit cleans behind your ears, washes your back for ya
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06:19.32netdaemoni don't use su for the most part
06:19.33Supaplexnyle is slow with the jokes :P
06:19.36netdaemonsudo works well
06:19.37Nylethat and world peace, hail hitler, thank god I'm an athiest.. etc. etc.
06:19.42Nylesee my jokes
06:19.45Nylealmost notfunny :(
06:20.00SupaplexEFAIL ;)
06:20.00nevynand harsher punishments for parole violators
06:20.06netdaemonas long as he makes himself laugh he's happy
06:20.20Supaplexyup. good enouf for us.
06:20.31Nyleactually my favorite one is the one with the athiest bit, my 8th grade science teacher had it on the board first day of class
06:20.37enoufhuh?
06:20.41NyleI thought it quite profound.
06:20.49NyleThank God, I'm an athiest.
06:20.52owen1Nyle: ok. no more su.
06:20.55Nylethats cool.
06:21.08Nyleowen1, google for 'why sudo is better'
06:21.10Supaplexenouf: you missed it. :P
06:21.13Nyleor whatever
06:21.17owen1sudo aptitude install podget
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06:21.36owen1..and nothing happend. is it because it's not in the repos?
06:21.42Capkirkproblem : starting up alot of diffrent application in advance through xinit i want some of these applications to start on specfic workspaces (running windowmaker here) i've tried to use wmctrl to move terms and such to the right workspace but wmctrl can't really be called from .xinitrc any suggestions?
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06:22.25Supaplexowen1: nothing happened is worse than "don't work". something either happened, or didn't do something you expected.
06:22.35Nylelol
06:22.43aumso are there any other debian repositories (apart from debian-multimedia) that contain scary patent-infringing software?
06:23.04stewowen1: bah, sorry, that one is not in etch
06:23.17stewaum: which software?
06:23.35aumstew: for example - ffmpeg on official deb feeds is crippleware
06:23.44stewaum: debian-multimedia.org
06:24.08aumstew: is debian-multimedia the only 'supplementary' debian feed for such software?
06:24.13Nyleif you want you can score packages from medibuntu
06:24.22Nylenot debian at all, but whatever
06:24.26Supaplexhah.
06:24.27stewaum: what software are you looking for that you can't find?
06:24.27Nyleits there...
06:24.53aumstew: ok now - updated apt with debian-multimedia, now have a non-crippleware ffmpeg
06:24.55SupaplexI don't trust packages from the enemy. even if I recompile them from source!
06:25.18Nylesuch animosity...
06:25.18netdaemonenemy?
06:25.20Nyle;)
06:25.21owen1stew: if a package is in not in etch, can i still get it?
06:25.22netdaemonwhos the enemy?
06:25.24aumSupaplex: even more so, given the recent contest announced on /. for 'underhanded C coding'
06:25.29reZoThe values for DisplaySize can be calculated with the formula 25.4 × width / dpi or respectively 25.4 × height / dpi, 25.4mm being 1 inch.
06:25.35reZowere does 25.4 come from?
06:25.50Nyleits a magic #
06:25.51Supaplex!tell netdaemon -about based on debian
06:25.52stewowen1: /mgs dpkg ssb
06:25.57reZookay awesome
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06:26.13netdaemonSupaplex, oh common, they only leach....nothing more ;)
06:26.29stewreZo: google for "25.4 mm in inches"
06:26.36Supaplexthat and fubar packages :P
06:26.50netdaemonSupaplex, let them, its their fuckup not ours
06:26.51netdaemonlol
06:26.52enoufaum: you sure you;re not missing some other codec pack, like w32codecs for ex?
06:27.02Nyleimagine if all these thousands of people who develop debian based distros actually worked ON debian itself
06:27.02Supaplexright. hence why I don't install them :)
06:27.04stewthey certainly do better than 'just leach'
06:27.09Nyleimagine that
06:27.12Nyle:)
06:27.22SupaplexNyle: mixed feelings, but yeah. :P
06:27.23aumenouf: no - ffmpeg requires a bunch of patent-infringing packages such as libmp3lame, libfaac etc
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06:27.49aumenouf: so 'official' debian has a crippleware build of ffmpeg with these codecs disabled
06:27.55netdaemonNyle, its the way the gnu world works, given the choice, people will do their own thing, one can only hope they send patches upstream
06:28.17enoufaum: no, not my version , which is not from -multimedia
06:28.37enoufaum: something may have changed recently .. or not too long ago
06:28.47aumenouf: are you saying you installed sid ffmpeg, and that it is built with libmp3lame enabled?
06:28.49enoufi recall seeing an ffmpeg-free up there
06:28.59Supaplex!lart software patents
06:28.59dpkgpries software patents's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to software patents
06:29.08enoufno, libmp3lame has nothing to do with ffmpeg
06:29.19elitemindhey guys, I have a quick question how do i connect two xboxs together i guess ssh would be the best bet. The xboxes are on the same network ones up stairs the other is down stairs. They both connect to the internet through wireless computers, Eth0 is forwarded to wlan0 or in my case my computer ath0. So heres the setup Xbox-eth0-computer-wirelesscard-net  second computer is the same.
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06:29.29aumenouf: not true - ffmpeg has configure options to use a vast range of codecs, including libmp3lame
06:29.33enoufi'm saying the pkg sizes are almost exact - the depends are the same
06:29.42aumsid's standard ffmpeg doesn't even have mpeg 2 encoding
06:29.53enoufaum: it doesn't require it, and doesn't come with it
06:29.56owen1stew: i read some stuff about backports. i guess i'll need to read more about debian versions et.
06:29.58enoufneither version does
06:30.01owen1stew: etc
06:30.14aumenouf: so how come sid's ffmpeg can't even encode with '-target pal-dvd'?
06:30.14Supaplex!eat WormFood
06:30.14dpkgeats WormFood, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease
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06:30.35enoufaum: i'm saying if you listen, the codecs are separate
06:31.06aumenouf: but sid doesn't have a lot of the external codecs which ffmpeg optionally links to
06:31.15aumexample: libmp3lame
06:31.24enoufok, that i will concur .. and i know
06:31.47aumso that's what i'm saying - ffmpeg on sid is effectively crippleware
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06:32.09enoufno, ffmpeg from anywhere is crippleware
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06:32.42aumwell, ffmpeg can't make my coffee or give me a foot massage, so i guess it is inherently crippleware
06:33.16enoufactually, i'm wrong, it's not crippleware, neither versions are
06:33.39enoufnow, if you want to also try -unofficial, go ahead ;-)
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06:34.05aumin my mind, a build of ffmpeg that can't encode to mp3 or mpeg2 can be called crippleware
06:34.15stewi thought the only difference between ffmpeg from debian-multimedia and sid is that debian-multimedia is a cvs pull
06:34.38enoufaum: the sid ffmpeg will do all that, IF you have the codecs available
06:35.07aumstew: ffmpeg on sid is configured with '--disable-libmp3lame and --disable-most-of-the-freaken-other-codecs-out-there'
06:35.45elitemindapt-get install libxine1
06:35.51WormFoodanyone have any idea why I can use echo and netcat with my apache2 on sid and get the right web page, but when I use a web browser, it acts like I have no virtual hosts defined
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06:35.54elitemindor is it 0 i dont know
06:36.04reZookay, so i change the DisplaySize in xorg.conf again, to the CORRECT setting, and it's still appearing with huge font...
06:36.09elitemindbut that might solve your headache aum
06:36.10reZoi'm about to give up and install etch again
06:36.17enoufthat might be, and if so, that's fairly recent, cause mine plays my self-compiled lame stuff just fine ;-P
06:36.34owen1anyone knows podcast client for ecth?
06:36.39helo_what date format strings gives the date in proper format to set the date?
06:36.50enoufreZo: you followed the dpi factoid?
06:37.02elitemindhey guys, I have a quick question how do i connect two xboxs together i guess ssh would be the best bet. The xboxes are on the same network ones up stairs the other is down stairs. They both connect to the internet through wireless computers, Eth0 is forwarded to wlan0 or in my case my computer ath0. So heres the setup Xbox-eth0-computer-wirelesscard-net  second computer is the same.
06:37.07stewowen1: apt-cache search podcast
06:37.10helo_it seems like it would be one of the premade formats, but apparently not
06:37.24reZoenouf, yeah, i've used the formula to work out the DisplaySize, using 25.4 × width / dpi, etc
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06:37.36stewhelo_: "date"
06:37.38reZoi've placed that under the Monitor section of xorg.conf
06:37.38SupaplexWormFood: what's the error log say? did you specify the Host: field in the headers when requesting your page?
06:37.44aumhmm, debian-multimedia has a built cinelerra - *very* cool :)
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06:37.59elitemindwell do it this way instead because i am sure someone will argue that this isnt a debian question. How do i connect to wireless pc's together using ssh tunneling
06:37.59enoufreZo: hrm .. which video card and driver?
06:38.09WormFoodthere is no entry in the error logs Supaplex
06:38.20WormFoodof course I specified the host header
06:38.23Supaplexelitemind: sounds like a ##networking question
06:38.29helo_stew: so i can run 'date > savemydate', then date $(cat savemydate) to restore?
06:38.31reZo00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
06:38.31reZo00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
06:38.31WormFoodI change the host header with echo, and it works perfectly
06:38.38owen1stew: nice
06:38.41stewhelo_: yes.  date is very forgiving
06:38.45helo_hahaha, nice...
06:38.53owen1anyone using  hpodder or podracer?
06:38.55elitemindaright im off to google i figured someone would say that. Later
06:38.57stewhelo_: oh but you want date -s to set the time
06:39.02helo_ah right ;)
06:39.04reZoenouf, etch was working perfect in the way of DPI etc
06:39.11SupaplexWormFood: you might have to capture packet traces. does the dns name resolution agree? did you modify any dns related settings recently?
06:39.25enoufreZo: oh, i see you upgraded? to what?
06:39.38WormFoodthe domain names I'm working with are in my hosts file
06:39.39reZoenouf, lenny
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06:40.09enoufreZo: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-* | tail -n 2
06:40.20SupaplexWormFood: okay. I hosed my /etc/nss... file ages ago, so that's why I ask. :)
06:40.23owen1sudo aptitude install hpodder  and nothing happend!
06:40.41reZoenouf, ii  libgl1-mesa-glx, un  libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev
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06:40.48helo_wonders why his date -s Thu Jun 19 01:39:51 CDT 2008 suddenly caused his ssh session to freeze
06:41.07enoufreZo: hrm, i think the -glx is all you need, one sec
06:41.08helo_oh wow... i can't even ping it
06:41.24Supaplexowen1: prove it. show us at rafb.net/paste
06:41.50reZoenouf, how would i add that argv, i'm using gdm
06:41.56WormFoodit totally blows my mind that echo/netcat get a different response than the web browser...I tried iceape and links, and all I can get is the "it works" page
06:42.00owen1Supaplex: show you what?
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06:42.11jeromehi there, what would be the cleanest way to install a package from unstable in stable without messing it all ? The package doesn't imply lots of dependencies (backup-ninja)
06:42.13Supaplexowen1: the output of that command
06:42.24Supaplex!tell jerome -about backports
06:42.34owen1Supaplex: what do you mean? there is no output..
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06:42.52helo_i bet they're messing with the switches... must have just been a coincidence
06:43.13Supaplexowen1: show us anyway. apparently you did something wrong. can we see to inspect it anyway?
06:43.16enoufreZo: huh? try this, dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri
06:43.25enoufreZo: just show me the last line
06:43.30owen1Supaplex: sure. what can i show u?
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06:43.44Supaplexowen1: what did you run?
06:43.45reZoenouf, ii  libgl1-mesa-dri           7.0.3-1                   A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules
06:43.54owen1Supaplex: sudo aptitude install podracer
06:44.00Supaplexowen1: and you instantly get a command line afterwards?
06:44.09Supaplexno errors/status/etc?
06:44.12owen1Supaplex: yes
06:44.22Supaplextry sudo su -   then run aptitude install ...
06:44.52enoufok, then that's all ok .. i think reZo  .. pastebin your xorg.conf, and xrandr, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:45.00owen1Supaplex: just sudo su? ant then enter?
06:45.16Supaplexand the - too. "sudo su -" (no quotes)
06:45.18reZoenouf, okay will do
06:45.58Supaplexthe - tells the shell its calling to treat it like a login shell. (as if you logged in). env is setup and other stuff.
06:46.04owen1Supaplex: oren is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported
06:46.14Capkirkµ
06:46.31Supaplexahhh. you have a sudo issue then. login as root, and see the visudo man page
06:46.53owen1Supaplex: ok )-Q
06:47.09owen1Supaplex: )-:
06:47.24enoufreZo: be patient - i'll be back in 5-10 or so , ok .. brb
06:47.26helo_is there an easy way to make udev always assign eth0 to the nic using a particular module, ignoring mac?
06:47.38Supaplexa sad face for isolating the problem? pity...
06:48.16owen1Supaplex: i am amazed how many steps i need to do in debian. or maybe i am just used to the comfort of ubuntu..
06:48.35Supaplex!baby duck syndrome
06:48.35dpkgbaby duck syndrome is when you cannot accept change, because when baby ducks see what they think is their mom for the first time, they'll always be that way. (even if it's the wrong choice).  Get over your stigma and get out of your comfort zone.
06:48.48Supaplexit's just different. that's all. we have our reasons.
06:49.02owen1Supaplex: LoL thins is funny
06:49.37Supaplexisn't it though? :)
06:49.54owen1!baby duck syndrome
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06:50.22dpkgbaby duck syndrome is when you cannot accept change, because when baby ducks see what they think is their mom for the first time, they'll always be that way. (even if it's the wrong choice).  Get over your stigma and get out of your comfort zone.
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06:51.12reZoenouf, okay cool here it is for when you get back: http://rafb.net/p/MSw7Rt19.html ... http://rafb.net/p/5eQKft87.html and http://rafb.net/p/vspRQq46.html
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06:58.17enoufreZo: ok, back .. now, let me look at those - have you checked the BTS? and please tell me exactly what's wrong, all X applications' fonts are too big? and do you use gnome? or kde? or?
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07:00.40khaleel5000hello, i am buying an AGP card , its going to be either nvidia 7600 gs or ati x1650pro (which is better...in terms of compatibility with linux?)
07:00.43khaleel5000debian
07:01.30nevynyou can get the 1650 in AGP?>
07:01.32nevynwow
07:01.43nevynI thought AGP was longdead
07:02.06netdaemoni'v never had a problem with nvidia cards
07:02.16bokeysame same
07:02.20JyZyXELget the nvidia
07:02.38bokeyplus 9600 are tad cheap these days
07:02.54khaleel5000nevyn: yeah through luck i might say
07:04.31reZoenouf, BTS? not sure what that is, i'm using xfce4, all fonts are huge, each letter is about 100 times the size it should be, i think QT applications are about 3 times the size, since i was in the QT settings manager eariler and the fonts were better, not sure why that's installed though, oh well
07:04.53reZoenouf, i'm tried a number of configurations in my xorg.conf, the pastebin is the current one, all previous configurations did nothing
07:04.57nevyn!bts
07:04.57dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
07:05.21reZono i haven't checked the BTS then
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07:05.48reZoi'll give it a quick search now though
07:06.13enoufreZo: ok, gotcha .. and someone helped point you to bts ;-)
07:06.32reZo:)
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07:07.34MathiasHello
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07:07.50MathiasI love you all
07:08.08reZoBTS isn't giving me any results,
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07:09.44kripz_Im having trouble with starting rtorrent, i dont think its a problem with rtorrent: http://pastebin.com/m4d582aad
07:11.52khaleel5000...I have some budget problem (x1650pro seems cheaper and better...is there a huge difference between nvidia and ati's linux support?
07:11.54tarzeaucan i send a BREAK in screen?
07:12.27nevynkhaleel5000: ati provide some documents to X11 developers nvidia provide none.
07:12.46nevynthat said documentation for current cards isn't availible from either vendor afaik cureently
07:13.26nevynkhaleel5000: nvidia have a binary driver based on their cross platform unified driver stuff that they provide which some claim is "support" for linux I disagree.
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07:14.00bokey!nvidia
07:14.01dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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07:14.18khaleel5000nevyn: X1650PRo is relitively older.
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07:14.23nevynkhaleel5000: ati also have a binary driver that's for their workstation fireGL cards but works with all sorts of high end radeons as well people seem to have more problems making this go in general than making the nvidia binary driver go.
07:14.27nevynkhaleel5000: what core?
07:14.29enoufreZo: still looking, but Xorg.0.log saying on line 644 (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 289 x 21  doesn't seem too good ;-)
07:14.46nevynif it's r300 then it might work out of the box with free drivers which would make it the better choice.
07:14.57khaleel5000nevyn: i believe its RV530/rv 535
07:15.00khaleel5000http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_sp.php?id=256
07:15.46reZoenouf, oh heh. wonder if that was before my current xorg.conf alterations (same as your reading from the paste)
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07:17.06enoufreZo: well, also, are you looking for, using, and desiring 1200x800 , yes?
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07:18.51khaleel5000nevyn: ...i am still confused, so rv530/535 have decent support or not?)
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07:19.52DimmuRhello anyone can point me to some guides how can i make apc ups shutdown my debian desktop/server station?
07:20.24nevynkhaleel5000: I don't know is the short answer It would be likely that you would need the proprietary fglrx to get 3d acceleration
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07:21.22khaleel5000nevyn: ok, thanks
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07:26.00enoufreZo: dpkg -l xfs | tail -1
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07:30.15wols_khaleel5000: there is very experiemental support from them in the Free drivers, but it's not really ready yet.
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07:31.19khaleel5000wols_: ok , thanks
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07:32.01reZoenouf, un xfs
07:32.27reZoenouf, sorry if i reply slowly, my sister is using this machine to do her assignment as well, the problem is on the other computer...
07:32.50wols_reZo: get a console irc client (irssi)
07:33.46noritrdon't you like xchat?
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07:34.02wols_no one likes console xchat
07:34.17JyZyXELthere is a xchat for console?
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07:35.03noritrthen mirc on wine?
07:35.31wols_noritr: how does wine work without X. can't you read?
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07:35.58JyZyXELmirc on wine sounds like a elite solution
07:36.14netdaemonweechat!
07:36.30JyZyXELnetcat!
07:36.34netdaemoni'm cool with irssi too =)
07:36.56netdaemonscreen + weechat||irssi <3
07:37.09heloi have this old program that tries to use mail -r
07:37.16helowhat is the proper way to achieve the same thing?
07:37.33wols_what's wrong with mail?
07:37.57|Ryan52wols_: no '-r' option
07:38.04wols_there is that
07:38.08helomail -a "From: $addy"?
07:38.09noritrlolcat!
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07:39.33reZo_enouf: i'm back sorry, tty's ftw
07:39.34PEBMACwhat's the difference  between module and built-in when you compile the kernel?
07:39.48noritr<M> and <*>
07:39.54wols_why do you compile a kernel?
07:40.05_stackwhy do you live?
07:40.17wols__stack: do you have a debian related question?
07:40.19noritrmodules get put into /lib/modules/kernel-version and built-in are in the kernel
07:40.33PEBMACi'm trying to install softmod driver for smc 2862
07:40.34macoutePEBMAC: modules are loadable, so that you can load them if you want. built-ins are loaded either way.
07:40.43noritrgee wols you must be having a lousy day/week/month/years
07:40.47wols_PEBMAC: what WLAN chip?
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07:40.58PEBMACthank mac and noritr
07:41.05PEBMACprism54
07:41.23wols_debian has premade kernels. current kernels
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07:41.36noritrkernels are smaller with modules also
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07:41.52wols_so compiling kernels is not needed
07:42.04wols_and if it's a 3rd party module one doesn't compile a kernel either but the module
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07:42.45noritrmaybe people are starting NOT to trust the debian prebuilt stuff (eg see channels motd)
07:43.01wols_noritr: then what do you do here?
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07:43.10kripz_Im having trouble with starting rtorrent, i dont think its a problem with rtorrent: http://pastebin.com/m4d582aad
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07:43.23noritrand it being your business is?
07:43.23JyZyXELkripz_ there is a #rtorrent
07:43.39macoutekripz_:  http://pastebin.com/m4d582aad
07:43.43macouteoh, sorry.
07:43.48macoutei meant, #
07:43.49macoutecannot find readable session directory  from config /home/cummseng/.rtorrent.rc. check permissions
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07:43.56noritr<PROTECTED>
07:43.57macouteso have you checked the permission?
07:44.24kripz_yes
07:44.30wols_kripz_: have you read what' sin that config file?
07:44.54kripz_wols_ yes, im 100% all the config files are correct, it must be something to do with permissions
07:44.55wols_especially the comments on the start?
07:44.57macoutei think rtorrent runs as rtorrent user, so that it needs to have at least read (might be x/w too) to your home dir (or that conf at least)
07:45.13kripz_macoute, if thats the case, thats the problem
07:45.18wols_kripz_: no it's not
07:45.21wols_kripz_: read it again
07:45.26macouteand as it says, the directory needs to be readable as well
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07:46.05kripz_drwxrwxrwx  2 cummseng root       31 2008-06-20 03:09 rtsession
07:46.10enoufreZo_: ok, install xfs , then here, make a backup of your xorg.conf and replace it with this one (i took yours and modified some parts - commented out some things too) http://pastebin.ca/raw/1050879
07:46.56enoufreZo_: and run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
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07:47.44reZo_enouf: awesome thanks!
07:48.28enoufreZo_: don;t thank me yet - i may have badly broken it :-P
07:49.47noritrxchat console rocks - my new irc client
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07:50.13OpenTokixirssi =)
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07:50.22reZoenouf, No candidate version found for xfs
07:50.39enoufreZo_: apt-get update?
07:50.44reZoshould i just apt-get it? i'm using aptitude right now
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07:50.49reZookay, apt-get didn't work either
07:50.53enoufaptitude updtae
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07:51.05wols_reZo: didn't work HOW?
07:52.13helohas anyone else had problems with the ipmasq package blocking all network traffic?
07:52.23heloshould i trash it and write my own iptables rules?
07:52.33reZoenouf, wols_, aptitude update'ed, doesnt work as in didn't install xfs because there is no version for it
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07:52.57reZoshould i install xfstt or something?
07:53.05reZowhich is "X Font Server for TrueType fonts"
07:53.24enoufreZo: ok .. hrm .. no nm for now, carry on .. i'll check
07:53.37reZo_okay,
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07:54.26noritrhelo - yes - and there are tons of iptables rule sets on the google thing
07:54.26wols_reZo: pastebin your sources.list
07:54.33wols_ther always is a xfs in debian
07:54.51wols_helo: why problems? what blocks?
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07:57.02reZowols_, http://rafb.net/p/0MzQPK79.html
07:57.25enoufreZo: 'xfs' was removed from lenny for some reason, it exists in etch and sid .. and so does the xfstt pkg, so .. forget about it for now .. maybe search BTS for why xfs is not in sid
07:57.36wols_!info xfs lenny
07:57.48enouf!why is xfs not in testing
07:57.49dpkgxfs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xfs
07:58.11wols_reZo: if you run testing you need to know how to use sid or etch packages if the need arises
07:58.16enoufwols_: i did what you did in pm prior ;-0
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07:59.03reZowols_, ah right, so i basically should install xfs from etch, or sid, then it _could_ work?
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07:59.17enoufwols_: what's the best way to find out what his HorSync rates should be, hwinfo --monitor?
07:59.17lysdexic2 questions
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07:59.37lysdexicfirst, anyone here use 64bit Debian?
07:59.46wols_get-edid, manual of monitor...
07:59.49enoufreZo: i'm not certain you need that pkg. but someone else might know
07:59.56wols_!anyone use 64bit debian
07:59.56dpkgNo, no one uses 64bit debian, not even the people who use it.
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08:00.11reZoenouf, okay
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08:00.17lysdexicthe other question, I want to connect to a windows based printer, anyone here doing this?
08:00.26DNC_005Hi all
08:00.40DNC_005is there a program which will help me configure my lcd? i want to change the brightness and stuff so it matches the laptop
08:00.45alperbabai want to add the debian-multimedia repo ? what command do i have to enter
08:00.47enoufwols_: hrm .. ok, thought hwinfo would do it .. reZo find out what your Vert and Hor Sync rates are supposed to be - preetty suire your Vert is 60Hz
08:00.50wols_l!tell lysdexic about anyone
08:01.02wols_reZo: LCD?
08:01.08reZo_TFT, laptop
08:01.15wols_!tell alperbaba about DMM
08:01.28DNC_005like an lcd calibration image, so i can compare how it looks on both displays
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08:01.44lysdexicwols_, and this helps how?
08:02.07wols_lysdexic: you have a chance of getting answers
08:02.10enoufreZo: install hwinfo and get-edid pkgs  ... and run as sudo or root; hwinfo --monitor .. or find your owners manual
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08:02.29wols_enouf: read-edid is the package
08:02.40reZo_/bin/sh: hwinfo: command not found
08:02.41wols_and TFTs always use 50 or 60Hz
08:02.45reZo_er
08:02.47wols_!tell reZo about installit
08:02.52reZo_/bin/sh: /usr/bin/hwinfo: No such file or directory
08:03.01reZo_lol
08:03.05wols_noritr: if you don't have something to say that's on topic, please don't say anything at all
08:03.10lysdexicwols_, I am used to using 32bit OS's, am looking at 64 bit but want to know if the 64 bit OS has all the same apps as the 32 bit?
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08:03.11enoufreZo: tge pkg is read-edid
08:03.16noritrsame to you
08:03.25wols_lysdexic: yes. proprietary apps will make problems
08:03.26reZo_says 31-61 kHz in hwinfo
08:03.42wols_noritr: I talk about debian, not about you mainly
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08:04.03enoufreZo: ok, then alter the xorg.conf i posted and make the 40-60 say 31-61
08:04.04lysdexicproprietary? as in nero4linux or acroread?
08:04.05noritrwols_ you just ain't getting the hint - this is not YOUR channel it is #debian
08:04.09wols_lysdexic: yes
08:04.19wols_noritr: you don#t get the hint: you are OT
08:04.23lysdexicjust as well I dont use either then :p
08:04.25omry|worksomething strange with /proc/cpuinfo in a 24ghz quad core duo: first core shows 2.4ghz, other 3 shows as 1.6ghz. all cores have similar bogomips.
08:04.33enoufreZo: in the Horiz Sync line
08:04.34wols_lysdexic: do you use flash? java plugins?
08:04.38omry|works/24hhz/2.4ghz
08:04.57enoufreZo: so --> HorizSync        31-61
08:04.59lysdexicoh yeah, sun and nsplugin
08:05.03wols_omry|work: sleepstates C1-C6 which slow down the CPU to conserve energy when not in use
08:05.15reZo_enouf: awesome, done that
08:05.33lysdexicso sun java will cause issues?
08:05.39omry|workwols_, aha! cool, thanks.
08:05.39enoufreZo_: what's hwinfo say about Vertical?
08:05.58alperbabahow can i add repos with command line
08:06.01lysdexic(on 64 bit)?
08:06.16wols_alperbaba: edit your sources.list
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08:06.43alperbabawols_: where is this file?
08:06.46enoufomry|work: yeah, check dmesg for cpuidle
08:07.13cydork!tell alperbaba -about sources.list
08:07.15omry|workwols_, cool is that an OS or CPU feature?
08:07.20reZo_enouf: 50-90
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08:07.24wols_omry|work: CPU
08:07.32wols_!tell alperbaba about sources.list
08:07.45enoufreZo_: ok, so --> VertRefresh      50-90
08:08.09wols_enouf: he has fontsize issues, right?
08:08.21enoufwols_: the kernel controls it though, no?
08:08.23reZo_okay done that
08:08.28enoufwols_: yes
08:08.38wols_enouf: what does sync rates help there?
08:08.52enoufwols_: resolution
08:09.00omry|workwols_, very cool.
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08:09.13MathiasI love all of you
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08:09.29omry|workenouf, yeah, there is something about it in dmesg: cpuidle: using governor ladder
08:09.41Mathias:-*
08:09.44enoufX thinks his screen is like (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 289 x 21
08:09.55enoufomry|work: bingo
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08:10.18enoufomry|work: more in kernel ./Documentation/cpu*
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08:11.09wols_enouf: does he have the right resolution or is edid fscking up as usual?
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08:12.03enoufreZo_: erm .. one more thing - see the line "        FontPath        "unix/:7100"                    # local font server" in this paste  http://pastebin.ca/raw/1050883  reZo_ add that line where you see it
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08:12.21reZo_okay,
08:13.26enoufwols_: i see no resolution defined in the Xorg.0.log .. here, tell me  http://rafb.net/p/vspRQq46.html   but line 689 i think only occurs because of some past funky stuff he had in xorg.conf
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08:14.24enoufreZo_: we're ready to test soon - did you do the dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config yet?
08:14.45reZojust doing the paste thing now,
08:14.57reZosorry, sort of switching between computer here hehe
08:15.08enoufno prob
08:15.28wols_reZo: use irssi!
08:15.30enoufreZo_: it's best you have two - in case that other one blows up :-P
08:15.40enoufor that :-p
08:15.45reZowols_, am. reZo_ is irssi,
08:15.53reZoi should screen it, but oh well
08:16.00wols_enouf: will you set the display size?
08:16.13enoufreZo_: no, he means console and X so you can mess with X and still be connected to irc
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08:17.27pluesch0ri'd like to write a custom udev rule for my iscsi targets. unfortunately, it doesn't work as i'd expect it. i'm trying ENV{ID_VENDOR}=="IET", PROGRAM="/bin/echo $env{ID_PATH}|/usr/bin/awk -F: {print $3;}", SYMLINK+="iscsi/%c"
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08:17.39enoufwols_: does it need an explicit Option      "DisplaySize" 76 5  in the Screen Section? i never had one
08:17.50pluesch0rwhat do i need to do to get the symlink to use the output of PROGRAM in %c?
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08:17.59pluesch0ris there some other magic variable i could use?
08:18.38wols_pluesch0r: #bash
08:19.05pluesch0rok
08:19.28wols_enouf: with font dpi problems it's the only option it needs afaik
08:19.50wols_enouf: that 689 line is what the monitor tells it btw via EDID/DDC
08:19.51reZoenouf, okay dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config is configured
08:20.00enoufwols_: well, well see, then later i can try all the dpi factoid stuff
08:20.19wols_reZo: have you ran xpdyinfo before?
08:20.24reZoyes,
08:20.30wols_what was the output?
08:20.41reZoi'll repaste it hang on
08:20.48alperbabai ve added the debian-multimedia repo. but when i want toinstall some packages some dependency problems occurs what can i do
08:21.09wols_alperbaba: reread the dmm site's instructions
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08:22.24wols_alperbaba: what was your command and what was the output
08:22.44enoufreZo: and you have your new xorg.conf in place and old one backed up ? (even though i didn't remove anything, i just commented out a ton of shit)
08:22.49kripz_what is the opposite to: update-rc.d rtorrent defaults 25, to remove it
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08:22.59enoufwols_: what
08:23.03enoufwols_: what
08:23.09enoufGAHH!
08:23.31reZo_enouf: yes, /etc/X11/xorg.conf contains the new information
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08:23.37wols_kripz_: update-rc.d --help
08:23.55enoufwols_: what's the difference between the i810 and the intel driver choice in drxx?
08:24.04reZo_wols_: xpdyinfo isn't installed, nor does aptitude give any search results for it, or xpdy
08:24.04enoufreZo_: try it
08:24.05wols_enouf: nothing
08:24.20wols_!tell reZo_ about search
08:24.21enoufwols_: wow ...
08:24.40wols_enouf: there is none between ati and radeon either
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08:24.50wols_tho ati is a "meta driver" of sorts
08:24.53enoufreZo_: xbase-clients: /usr/bin/xdpyinfo
08:25.05alperbabawols_ : i used synaptic and there are some packages about gstreamer. it needs libfaac0 libmms0 xvidcore4
08:25.11enoufwols_: right, the wrapper one
08:25.13reZo_enouf: tried it, same font size as before
08:25.21wols_alperbaba: please do what I told you
08:25.25freedrivershello
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08:25.35freedriversi want to setup a NAS with debian
08:25.43enoufreZo_: how are you restarting X?
08:25.44alperbabawols_ : ok
08:25.55freedrivers2 750GB SATA drives
08:26.03wols_!tell freedrivers about enter
08:26.12enoufreZo_: do you use gdm? do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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08:26.17freedriversin what way should i format the drives?
08:26.27wols_freedrivers: with mkfs
08:26.35reZo_enouf: yeah, i am
08:26.39freedriversnonono ;)
08:26.57freedriversi forst have to create partitions
08:27.12freedriversi want a RAID1 about these 2 SATAs
08:27.24wols_freedrivers: you have a stuck enter key. please unstick it
08:27.31alperbabawols_ i want to tell that i am using sid repo and debian-multimedia only
08:27.53wols_alperbaba: please talk to me again when you did what you were told. not before
08:27.53freedriversstuck enter key? what di you mean? sorry...
08:27.59wols_!tell freedrivers about enter
08:28.06wols_read what dpkg just told you please
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08:28.40reZoenouf, wols_ http://rafb.net/p/SGAmJb78.html
08:28.49reZothat's my xdpyinfo
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08:29.33freedriversso you just want me to write longer sentences instead of hacking 3 words in a line and send it? am i right?
08:29.37wols_reZo: do you have a ruler?
08:29.41reZo_yes,
08:29.49reZo_want me to rule my screen?
08:29.53wols_use it to measure x and y of your TFT
08:29.58reZo_okay
08:29.59alexs_but a 60x12 terminal :(
08:30.08alexs_*i have
08:31.47enoufwols line 59 no?
08:31.59enoufwols_: ^^^
08:32.28enoufreZo: and pastebin your xorg.conf again now please and your Xorg.0.log
08:32.35freedriversok, is there anybody who could help me with creating partitions for a RAID1 with 2 drives?
08:32.41reZo_enouf: okay
08:32.45wols_enouf: of course but we knew the phys size from xorg.conf. I wanted to know his res exactly (e.e widescreen or not)
08:32.49JyZyXELi dare someone to paste their xorg.conf here on the channel
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08:33.37reZo_wols_: 27cm y, 33cm x
08:33.54reZo_it's with a measuring tape lol
08:33.56wols_so use that in DisplaySize in xorg.conf in mm. x first then y
08:34.08enouffreedrivers: install mdadm, then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* (zless them or gunxip them) and see the man pages -
08:34.24reZo_okay, pasting and doing the formula for DisplaySize again
08:34.45wols_33what "formula"? we know the value to use no
08:34.47wols_*now
08:36.23reZowols_, formula for working out size for DisplaySize
08:36.37reZothe 24.5 * (x
08:36.37wols_why formula? I just don't get it
08:36.39reZoer
08:36.44wols_330 270
08:36.45wols_done
08:36.50reZox | y) / thingy
08:36.51reZoah okay
08:37.00wols_you measured with a RULER for a reason
08:37.17reZohere is my http://rafb.net/p/7JMIl229.html before placing the new DisplaySize values
08:37.18freedrivers?
08:39.21reZohttp://rafb.net/p/OmUTlD43.html here is my Xorg.0.log
08:39.31enoufok reZo_
08:39.55enoufwols_: how does one access/adjust/use defoma? or you don't
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08:41.11reZo_put the new DisplaySize values in, issued /etc/init.d/gdm restart as root, still same font size
08:41.14wols_dunno. dpkg-reconfigure it perhaps?
08:41.32wols_reZo_: did xpdyinfo output change?
08:41.41reZo_will check now
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08:42.13wols_and pastebin your xorg.conf now
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08:43.35reZo_wols_: changes: 20x20, focus: window 0x1800041, revert to Parent
08:43.42reZo_20c20 *
08:43.53wols_awe need the displaysize stuff. not that
08:44.08wols_xdpyinfo | grep dimension
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08:45.15reZohttp://rafb.net/p/po4TkY84.html
08:45.42wols_DisplaySize 330 270
08:45.47wols_no option "" stuff imho
08:45.51Bushmillsoops ... aptfs has its .. hidden dangers ...  i mounted aptfs yesterday ... this morning, cron did daily maintenance, including updatedb, or backup, not sure which one as responsable. since then. 6 gigabytes traffic went over the dsl line, downloading source packages...
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08:46.16wols_http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts
08:46.26reZo_change in xpdyinfo is:
08:46.34reZo_<PROTECTED>
08:46.50reZo_okay taking out ""
08:47.45noritrfoul on wols_ 'use of gentoo doc in #debian' deduction 10 points
08:47.45wols_so your DisplaySize was totally ignored
08:48.07reZo_wols_: yeah, appaers that way, with " and " taken out, it complains that 330 is not a keyword
08:48.07wols_noritr: stop the trolling please
08:48.10reZo_and doesn't start x
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08:48.32Radhadhi
08:48.35enoufreZo_: are you sure Xfce doesn't have some config somewhere messing you up ? and..   33/27 == 1:1.222222 whatever that is
08:48.51RadhadI want to copy a folder, but without the CVS folders in it. How can I do that?
08:49.02reZo_enouf: i'm not aware if it does or not
08:49.42reZo_oh wait, there is a file which states the DPI in Xfce config
08:49.52reZo_but that's set to 96 dpi
08:49.57enoufreZo_: i didn't notice too much change in your Xorg.0.log at all .. but i didn't scan it as closely either
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08:50.11reZo_okay,
08:50.59wols_reZo_: please run X and in X do "/usr/bin/xrandr --fbmm 305x230"
08:51.16reZo_okay,
08:51.26wols_enouf: gdm wouldn't get messed up by a xfce config I think
08:51.50enoufgdm is messed up?
08:52.19enoufthat could be a bad/wrong splash file
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08:52.22wols_< reZo_> put the new DisplaySize values in, issued /etc/init.d/gdm restart as root, still same font size
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08:52.49reZo_enouf: gdm input fields font size is big as well
08:53.00reZo_the header "welcome to computer" is the correct size though :/
08:53.20wols_and apparently new intel X drivers ignore displaysize... but the site I found was in german so it won't help you to read it
08:53.28wols_but they suggested the xrandr line
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08:55.47enoufi would force install xfs from sid at this point ..but that's me
08:55.52reZo_wols_: that line doesn't do anything in the way of font change
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08:56.23enoufreZo_: did you do all he asked?
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08:57.18reZo_enouf: i issued the command in x,
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08:58.31enoufreZo_: why does this  line->   /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType  <=appear when we've commenteed it out?
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08:59.01enoufreZo_: from Xorg.0.log   line 44
08:59.26Radhadah, I found out that it works with rsync
09:00.03reZo_hmmm?
09:00.03reZo_is it uncommented it in my xorg.conf?
09:00.36reZo_umm, it's still commented out in my xorg.conf
09:00.47reZo_not sure why that's appearing if it is, within my xorg log
09:01.04enoufyeah - seems the line saying -> Including the default font path
09:01.07enoufdoes it
09:01.22reZo_:S
09:01.25enoufline 28
09:01.33enoufhow stupif
09:01.35enoufhow stupid
09:01.50reZo_it's line 26 within my xorg.conf
09:02.06NoxInNyle ?   "(03:14:28 CET)  <Nyle> NoxIn, you stay put" ??
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09:04.07freedrivershello, can anybody help me with my RAID problem?
09:04.16wols_!anybody
09:04.17dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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09:04.34wols_freedrivers: you've also been already told what to do/read
09:05.09noritrgoodnite wols_ keep up the good fight - nite
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09:05.57wols_freedrivers: do not PM people unasked
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09:06.04freedriversok i am sorry , i am not familiar with the rules
09:07.13VirtualWhat do I configure for touchpad in xorg, it works now but when I navigate on the touchpad it often clicks which is very enoying.
09:07.24enoufreZo_: uname -r
09:07.30reZo_2.6.18-6-686
09:08.06freedriverswols_: am i allowed to PM you?
09:08.16enoufit's not nice
09:08.17wols_no
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09:08.35wols_!pm
09:08.35dpkgwell, pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance
09:08.36TromBoeZoeGood Morning!
09:08.43enoufreZo_: you did a full dist-upgrade to lenny?
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09:08.58wols_hmm.. I thought there was a explicit factoid about it
09:09.02reZoenouf, indeed
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09:09.16freedriversso whats wrong woth you here?
09:09.19enoufreZo: well, you should have also a much newer kernel
09:09.40enoufreZo: as in 2.6.24.1 or so
09:09.48freedriverswhat to do to get some realy easy help?
09:09.59reZoenouf, oh :S
09:10.08wols_freedrivers: ask pertinent questions in here
09:10.19wols_questions which clearly state the problem for example
09:10.36wols_freedrivers: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
09:10.37VirtualWhen using my touchpad it oftens clicks while I am navigating, what can I do to fix that ?
09:10.51reZoenouf, so my system is messed up?
09:10.54freedriversok i thaught i did, but i will try it again ---
09:10.58bdefermebe more gentil to your touchpad Virtual ?
09:11.05reZoenouf, should i just backup my data, and reformat to install testing again?
09:11.12TromBoeZoeI have an Orinoco Gold PCMCIA... is there a way make it recieve more ESSIDS
09:11.15enoufreZo: listen, i would rerun a dist-upgrade after doing an update and run it in simulation mode .. to see what will happen so you're sure it doesn't remove your running kernel
09:11.41reZookay
09:11.42enoufreZo: backup data is always a good idea ;-)
09:11.59enoufreZo: backup your kernel even :-P
09:12.02reZoi've backed up most of my data so far,
09:12.12reZoenouf, not sure how to backup my kernel lol
09:12.32reZoand, how would i run simulation mode?
09:12.45enoufdon't worry, just run apt-get -s dist-upgrade
09:12.56reZocool as
09:13.05enoufreZo: after apt-get update
09:13.39reZookay, done that
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09:14.01reZojust had stuff about gimp, perl and ssh
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09:15.31enoufVirtual: some kind of sensitivity setting?
09:16.05enoufVirtual: i mean in your xorg.conf under the synaptics section?
09:16.22enouf!laptop
09:16.22dpkgAll there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/  Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>.  See also <laptop mode>.
09:16.44enoufsee those for info about keys and synaptics
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09:17.00TromBoeZoegood morning. I use Debian Etch and have a Orinoco Gold PCMCIA ( Hermes I ) there is an Antenna attached to it, i have an accesspoint but the connection drops alot, i think it my be dew to so many others using Channel 11 :|  is there a way to tune up my Antenna ( command ) to recieve a better connection
09:17.00TromBoeZoe?
09:17.34wols_TromBoeZoe: why not use another channel?
09:17.36psteynHi, not trolling or anything, but since debian is i386, aren't alot of advances made with computing 'lost' if say I use a quad core with 8gb ram ? honest question
09:17.50wols_psteyn: i386 is a platform. not a cpu
09:17.57psteyn<PROTECTED>
09:18.01enoufcan;t you use like 2-3 channels at once?
09:18.07enouflike 1 6 11  ?
09:18.12wols_all debian packages are compiled for 486 minimum. some for higher CPUs
09:18.24wols_enouf: not on 802.11g
09:18.35wols_enouf: what you think of is MIMO (draft n)
09:18.45enoufwols_: what am i thinking a/b only?
09:18.46wols_psteyn: there isn't
09:18.48TromBoeZoewols_, he uses Channel 11, i don't him and he is sending out a signal Unencrypeted ( encryption = off )
09:18.53freedriversi want to install a NAS by myself, hardware is an miniITX d201gly2 and 2 SATA drives 750GB each --- my question is now how does i have to create the partitions wise, because the debian has to be installed on the drives as well
09:19.09enoufno wols_ i recall it long ago ... but who knows, i never did wifi :-P
09:19.16wols_freedrivers: however you want
09:19.32Virtualenouf: it doesn't look to be any sensitivity configuration in xorg.conf
09:19.36freedriversthere should be a softwareRAID level 1 about these 2 sata drives
09:19.37wols_enouf: a/b have no mimo capability. you can use either 1 or 6 or 11. not all 3 at once
09:19.39TromBoeZoewols_, i don't know him or her :D
09:19.49Virtuallaptop
09:19.56wols_freedrivers: so do itß you can directly install debian and create the raid while installing
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09:20.25wols_!tell freedrivers about ig
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09:21.06psteynso wols_ : there wouldnt even be a 2% overall performance gain, if say all the packages were i686 compiled?
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09:21.17wols_!gentoosmite psteyn
09:21.17dpkgspends 6 weeks recompiling psteyn, and when it's all done, psteyn runs 7% slower than previously
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09:21.43wols_psteyn: kernel and libc6 have 686 versions
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09:21.55freedriversbut i think there a different ways of partition --- and i want to seperate the debian system from the data partition
09:21.55psteynonly reason it would be slower is if u did something wrong
09:22.00enoufpsteyn: the i386 branch also has various kernels available, one being -bigmem
09:22.30enoufpsteyn: -686-bigmem i should say
09:22.52psteynkewl
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09:23.00psteyntnx
09:23.44PhaseWhat is a similar command in linux for Windows' ipconfig /flushdns ?
09:24.06enouffreedrivers: read and understand the installation guide dpkg told you about, and use expert mode for more fine tuning of setup
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09:24.38enoufPhase: there isn't
09:25.09PhaseAh. So it's all up to the DNS servers then.
09:25.27macouteenouf: why there isnt?
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09:25.29enoufclose your browser :-P .. really, it's not needed .. you can, if you like see 'man ip'
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09:25.36uzbekhi everybody!
09:25.41uzbekhow can i install printer?
09:25.48macouteid say /etc/init.d/ncsd restart flushes your dns cache
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09:26.09uzbeki have a network printer, i have IP of that printer
09:26.25maligoruzbek, with cups?
09:26.40enoufncsd eh?
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09:26.47uzbekmaligor, thanx. should i install cups?
09:26.55enouf~$ ls -l /etc/init.d/ncsd
09:26.55enoufls: /etc/init.d/ncsd: No such file or directory
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09:27.11maligorI think he means nscd
09:27.13PhaseOh yeah.. 20 times faster, I'm using a DNS server thats mere hours away
09:27.14Phase:)
09:27.46maligoruzbek, if you want to use it
09:27.49reZoenouf, i give up, seems like my system is in a mess :/... tomorrow i'll reformat and install lenny on a clean state, if that has the same problems, i'll install etch again, and monitor bug reports (found a few) of my problem, and wait for some fixes
09:27.57reZoenouf, wols_, thanks for your help :)
09:28.07enouf~$ ls -l /etc/init.d/nscd
09:28.08enoufls: /etc/init.d/nscd: No such file or directory
09:28.13enoufhappy?
09:28.20uzbekcups: Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.3.7) but it is not going to be installed
09:28.27enoufyou move the server you want in /etc/resolv.conf
09:28.27uzbekwhat is wrong?
09:28.41uzbekmine is testing
09:29.14enoufreZo: ok, i guess the dist-upgrade didn't go so well
09:29.29maligoruzbek, why isn't going to be installed?
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09:29.36reZoenouf, yeah
09:29.44Phaseenouf, There isn't a tool that does it's own cache, to prevent reptitive lookups in linux already? Or is that what nscd does ..
09:29.46enoufreZo: if you got through that - you could install xfs .. ok .. well
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09:29.51Phasecaching*
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09:30.00PhaseRather
09:30.04Phasedebian lenny.
09:30.04reZoenouf, i'll try that before i give up actually
09:30.06uzbekThe following packages have unmet dependencies: maligor
09:30.09enoufi don't run that crap .. dunno then
09:30.27maligoruzbek, I guess testing has broken packages then
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09:30.54maligoruzbek, tried updating your package listings?
09:30.59enoufreZo: if you get hit with unmet depends, just follow up with apt-get -f install like that ok?
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09:31.17uzbekmaligor, yeah, i did apt-get update
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09:31.28uzbekhow can i install from main?
09:31.40maligormain?
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09:31.43uzbeki forgot keyword to add to app-get
09:31.45ArtVandalaeHi I'm installing Etch in a VM (qemu). I've hit Alt+Tab, and I think that's stopped my install. Does anyone know what may have happened?
09:31.45reZoenouf, okay :)
09:31.46enoufi going to wildly guess that nscd means name server caching daemon
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09:32.06Phaseenouf, Now that I think about it.. thats a pretty damn good guess.
09:32.08maligorenouf, ye gods! how did you guess
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09:32.26uzbekmaligor, i did apt-cache policy cups, it gave me one from main
09:32.31enoufwho would run such a thing? bind-ers?
09:32.40Phaselol.
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09:32.41moshiiThe openssh weak keys blacklist is blocking keys generated on a rhel machine :/
09:32.47maligorenouf, people behind dialup
09:32.56enoufhehe
09:33.01PhaseI'm still waiting for my mail.* cname to be updated
09:33.02Phaseyawns
09:33.04enoufpo' thangs
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09:33.24uzbekmaligor, maybe i have had it already? :)
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09:33.31uzbekhow can i find out that?
09:33.32PhaseI hate waiting on dns changes to take effect.. it's like watching grass grow.
09:33.36moshiiPhase: if you keep looking it up it'll take longer to propogate ;)
09:33.59Phasemoshii, I haven't in about 15 minutes.. right after I chaged it :P
09:34.00moshiis/propogate/propagate
09:34.03maligoruzbek, dpkg -l | grep cups?
09:34.03uzbekcupsdconf    cupsdoprint  --- does it mean i have cups?
09:34.24moshiiPhase: How long is the TTL on your zones?
09:34.33enoufPhase: you know about /etc/nsswitch.conf and friends? not that  i know anything about it
09:34.41uzbekmaligor, i have cups
09:34.48uzbekwhat to do next?
09:34.48PhaseWhatever the Webmin's "default" setting is.. It's not my dedi.
09:34.51maligoruzbek: using gnome desktop?
09:34.54enoufmoshii: hrm propo seems correct to me ..
09:34.57wols_!webmin
09:34.58dpkgi guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
09:35.00uzbekmaligor, no, xfce :(
09:35.02moshiiPhase: you could also put a line in /etc/hosts
09:35.04Phaseenouf, I dont.
09:35.11jellycan I move a tab to another window in Iceweasel?
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09:35.18moshiienouf: I looked at it and thought that looks wrong so googled it..
09:35.22Phasemoshii, Yeah, but I like it working without cheating, lol.
09:35.24maligoruzbek, try connecting to localhost:631
09:35.30enoufmoshii: you win ! ;-p
09:35.35maligoruzbek, with a webbrowser
09:36.01Phasewols_, I hate webmin too.
09:36.01uzbekmaligor, failed to connect
09:36.05PhaseBut it's not my box.
09:36.05Phaselol
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09:36.09moshiiPhase: well, it'll take a while before all the DNS caches around the world have your new zone
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09:36.18Phasemoshii, Yeah.
09:36.32moshiiPhase: this is why they say 24hours for these sorts of things
09:36.35themilljelly: not that I know of (other than by copy-pasting the url :)
09:36.40Phasemoshii, Yep.
09:36.44enoufreZo: and after all that fails, upgrade to sid .. and pray .. and leave it alone (for a while) once it works (if you ever make it) :-P
09:37.03Phase4:30am
09:37.05Phaseneeds sleep.
09:37.09enoufreZo: got any small farm animals you can sacrifice?
09:37.22jellythemill: yeah, I'd prefer its history kept as well
09:37.26moshiimmm so my non-debian box is generating apparently weak keys.. :/
09:37.41PhaseWhat distribution? Heh.
09:37.50themillmoshii: are you sure that's the key being used for the connection?
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09:37.54jellymoshii: is it based-on-debian?
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09:38.12moshiithemill: yes, just generated a new key and it's being rejected, rhel
09:38.14maligoruzbek, well, unless you want to learn cups cli configuration you can try system-config-printer or some other fancy gui for it
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09:38.45enoufjelly: hrm, no detach window? no open in new window - heck, even konsole has a detach session feature :-P
09:38.59themillmoshii: but are you sure that's the key the connection is using. If you have ssh agent running or if you haven't got your config properly set up, it can use the old key
09:39.22jellyenouf: I don't want to detach anything, I want to move to another existing window.
09:39.39moshiithemill: ssh -v shows it offering the right key, and there's not ssh agent running
09:39.52reZo_enouf: rofl, nah, i'll just go back to etch, since that works perfect, used it for about a year perviously to this day now
09:39.55uzbekmaligor, where is the cups config file?
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09:40.06enoufjelly: well , detaching (session or tab from session) to me means starting it's own window
09:40.16themillmoshii: can you scp the key around and check it with ssh-vulnkey
09:40.22jellyenouf: yeah. I _don't want_ another window.
09:40.42moshiithemill: will do
09:40.43enoufreZo_: ok, just make sure your backups work - test them out for validity, especially if optical media
09:40.53enoufok jelly
09:40.55maligoruzbek, /etc/cups/
09:41.23uzbekmaligor, thanx a lot!
09:41.43reZo_enouf: :), yeah, transfering them to my parents machine (xp pro),
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09:42.04enoufmaybe you can crash it and grep it's restore session file for the URLs in that tab's history  :-P
09:42.34enoufreZo_: o b k b .. HDD backup == good most times ;-P
09:42.43themilljelly: xkill ftw ...
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09:43.07enoufheh, i tried xkill - i killed more than i bargained for ;-P
09:43.17reZo_hehe
09:43.37jellysmacks themill with a context-filled trout.
09:43.56enoufyou have to get the exact child window ID and all that
09:43.57themillhmmm trout ...
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09:45.05enoufand then make sure you pass the option to stop it from killing the parent .. etc .. never works, .. well, it almost does
09:45.35themillenouf: I normally use it as Ctrl+Alt+Backspace then click with the cursor of doom. Works fine.
09:45.50themillenouf: ermm... Ctrl+Alt+Esc
09:46.08enoufheh. was going to say
09:46.20themillneeds stronger coffee
09:46.21enoufhow about if it's locked up ..
09:46.43enoufthats! when one needs it ;-)
09:48.14jellythemill: how do I cancel the cursor of doom?!
09:48.21themilljelly: ESC
09:48.35jellydidn't work
09:48.39themill:(
09:48.52jellyI murdered a notify window
09:49.00enoufhaha .. stuck in Doom mode
09:49.01themillbad jelly
09:49.11enoufgotta smite someone
09:49.31jellyI thought ctrl-alt-esc basically just ran xkill
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09:49.56jellyeh, bugger
09:50.00jelly/exec pkill xkill
09:50.30jellystays away from ctrl-alt-esc
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09:51.32enoufhaha ctrl-alt-esc does jack shit here
09:51.50OpenTokixenouf: you just had to try =)
09:51.53enoufguess it only works on firepoop
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09:52.17enoufOpenTokix: ofcourse :-P i won't be denied new features!
09:52.24OpenTokixenouf: hehe
09:52.40OpenTokixIm trying to join #debian,0 but it dosn't work for me.
09:52.58enoufwhat?
09:53.07OpenTokixthe irc channel #debian,0
09:53.15enoufdon't even ...
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09:53.37enoufstop trolling .. or you go buh bai
09:53.44OpenTokixhehe
09:53.52OpenTokixit's just a joke =)
09:54.09enoufyeah, not to n00bs
09:54.33OpenTokix=)
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09:54.44OpenTokixlunch
09:54.49enouftrout
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09:55.16jelly!kill OpenTokix
09:55.17dpkgcrushes OpenTokix with his teeth
09:55.18moshiimeh, now it's just ignoring the keys totally :/
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09:56.31mathrickhi
09:56.45mathrickmathrick@hatsumi:[...]/paperbox-0.1.0~ppa5$ uupdate ../paperbox-0.3.0.tar.bz2
09:56.45mathrickuupdate: a native Debian package cannot take upstream updates
09:57.00mathrickcould someone explain that? It's the first time I see uupdate do that
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09:58.59mathrickoh, I see
09:59.29jellymathrick: a native package means there is no debian-specific diff, and that the debian maintainer is the upstream.  does your 0.3.0 tarball not already have a debian/ subdir?
09:59.56mathrickjelly: nope, but I just realised what it meant
10:00.05mathrickI'm looking for a diffed version now
10:00.40jelly!info paperbox
10:00.58jellymathrick: sounds like neither of two are in Debian.
10:01.17mathrickyeah, ppa is ubuntu private archive thing
10:01.23jelly...
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10:02.35mathrickhmm, I'll see if just copying debian/ over does the trick
10:02.46simonrvnshuts up instead of lambasting mathrick
10:02.59jellymathrick: this channel isn't really about teaching someone to make proper debs, it's for support.
10:03.16mathrickjelly: I didn't make those debs, and I asked for support
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10:03.28simonrvn>_<
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10:03.34jellymathrick: they're not a part of Debian
10:03.41mathrickbut uupdate is
10:03.46simonrvnmathrick: go away
10:03.47mathrickand I wanted to know what it meant
10:03.53mathrick*shrug*
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10:03.57themillmathrick: the person who made that ppa deb needs to get a clue. I can't see why it should be a native package.
10:04.02masushi all does anyone know an mysql gui for debian with http tunneling prefrences. Thanks
10:04.20jellynice /quit message, though
10:04.51simonrvnadmittedly, yes
10:04.59themillsimonrvn, jelly: I'm not sure that was offtopic.... if he was using debian, then helping him compile something under debian is on topic here imo.
10:05.16jellythemill: I'm noy saying it wasn't.
10:05.16themill(if he was using ubuntu then he should foad though)
10:05.36jelly...on topic
10:05.47simonrvni think the foad would've applied, but that's just my take on it
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10:06.26simonrvn...and go away was the niest thing i could think of..
10:06.30simonrvnnicest*
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10:07.21themillmasus: what do you mean?
10:07.26macoutemasus: phpsysadmin?
10:07.54ghatakHi, my box stopped responding this morning, I could not get on it via SSH, since ssh is the only i can get on it, I had to remotely reboot it, it came back fine, however I can not find the reason why it stopped, What should I look for? I was pingable, but won't let in via SSH with error (ssh key exchange failed). After the reboot it is working fine.
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10:08.36themillghatak: are you running something like denyhosts?
10:08.48jellyghatak: did you do an upgrade recently?
10:09.02simonrvnmacoute: hehe
10:09.05ghatakthemill: nope,
10:09.07ghatakjelly: nope
10:09.47jellyghatak: no idea. check kernel and other logs
10:10.17ghatakjelly: already did that, there is only record of restart that i did this morning, everything else is normal
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10:10.48macoutesimonrvn: doesnt it meet all the requirements? :=
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10:11.07macouteheh ^
10:11.19themillo-O
10:11.27jellymacoute: a) what requirements? b) I believe you mispelled phpMYadmin, and c) the user left
10:11.39macoutejelly: ah, ok :)
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10:12.25macoutejelly: a) mysql gui, http tunneling (if i undestrood it right) b) yes i did c) but after my line
10:12.40jellymoves on
10:12.47simonrvni thought macoute was making a joke actually
10:13.23macoutesimonrvn: i did ;) but it did answer his question too:)
10:14.17Bushmillsghatak: when i had a similar problem on a remote machine which stopped about once per week, i had this execute once per minute, as a cron job: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1213870347399756077.png , but only after i found (though munin) that the hard disk was warmer than usual when the machine came online again.
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10:15.07jellyBushmills: heard about snmp and remote monitoring? :-)
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10:15.43Bushmillsjelly, yes but i need something quickly. my former attempts at snmp where not too succesful
10:15.59jellyah, and you mentioned munin.
10:17.06Bushmills(turned out to be a periodic DoS then)
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10:22.52dutchfishhow do i interprete the ever increasing nuber of RC bugs of stable while testing RC bugs are increasing, does that for instance mean stable will get a minor release update? and are those graphs real and right?
10:23.25mic_pHi all. I'm disperate. I have a new server fujitsu and I want to install debian. I download the last lenny testing network cd, boot from it, all done since the next reboot: the bios say me: "no operating system". I tried all (external floppy, etc...), but no fortune... Now?
10:24.04wols_mic_p: install grub
10:24.06dutchfishmic_p, did you install grub, and did you NOT install grub 2, did you install in mbr?
10:24.30wols_!tell dutchfish about etchnhalf
10:24.37mic_pwols_: of course done. Tried also with grub2, but the same
10:24.51mic_pdutchfish: yes. Installed on mbr
10:24.54wols_mic_p: boot from your debian cd the rescue system
10:25.22mic_pwols_: Done, retried to install grub from there. The same
10:25.33ZitZHi, I have a question about Samba and permissions
10:25.34wols_mic_p: please do what I told you
10:26.16mic_pwols_: sorry. I'll re-start like now.
10:26.34wols_just be able to access your installed debian
10:27.15ZitZIs it there a way to allow other computers on the network to write to my home directory without changing the permissions of that directory to 777
10:27.36wols_ZitZ: yes. pastebin your smb.conf
10:27.51wols_oh. other users :(
10:28.04ZitZActually I should add that one of my computers is a linux box with the same user name as my current linux box
10:28.20wols_you could chmod your ~ to 770 and add those other users to your user's group
10:28.23ZitZHow do I pastebin?
10:28.46ZitZWouldn't that require me to change the settings of the login manager?
10:29.45BushmillsZitZ: set permissions to 750 or 755,  create a directory in your home with  770 or 775, set it to group of your choice (maybe your group), and make users allowed to write there member of that group
10:29.47mic_pwols_: ok. I'm waiting. Only a thing: I tried to start with a grub-floppy and when I wrote root (hd0), I reveive an error. If I remember correctly, it was that the disk it's not recognized
10:29.51dutchfishZitZ, create mask =xxx, directory mask=xxx, force users=[your user]
10:30.14wols_ZitZ: or just log in via samba with your debian's box user/pass
10:30.20wols_then for this connection you will be this user
10:30.28ZitZWhenever I try to change the permissions of my home directory my login manager tells me the permissions have to be 644, or I have to change the settings of the login manager
10:30.45wols_ZitZ: what debian version do you use?
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10:31.14ZitZthis box is unstable the other is mixed
10:31.21mic_pwols_: done in rescue. What I have to do? Execute a shell?
10:31.30wols_mic_p: fdisk -l
10:31.56ZitZdutchfish, does that go in smb.conf?
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10:32.14wols_ZitZ: no need to change anything. just mount the samba share as your normal user
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10:32.30dutchfishZitZ, yes lookup what they mean first
10:32.42mic_pwols_: it's a it difficult to wrote it here... I'm on another pc :( Which info do you need?
10:33.02wols_what's the device name of your hd?
10:33.21wols_mic_p: don't you have a network on this server? it's a server...
10:33.25mic_pwols_: sda and sda1 has the boot flag
10:33.35wols_mic_p: less /dev/sda
10:33.39dutchfishZitZ, you can let samba creat every new file and dir in a share as if it was made by that user
10:33.40wols_mic_p: less -f /dev/sda
10:33.53mic_pwols_: sure, but I have no ssh server there
10:34.07wols_mic_p: you do. your dbeian install has one
10:34.21wols_what ar the 3 first bytes of the less output?
10:35.15wols_ZitZ: why can't you simply mount the share as the desired user?
10:35.35ZitZdutchfish, so that basically upgrades the permissions, i thought samba couldn't grant permissions that the user wouldn't have normally, it can only downgrade
10:36.18dutchfishZitZ, it can, but it must have enough privilages to do so, normally the same when ntadmin is needed )special samba user)
10:36.20ZitZi could mount the share individually, i'm sure it would work, but i like the idea of having all computers browseable, including myself
10:36.55ZitZand writeable
10:37.33mic_pwols_: there is a problem, I have no less there. It's a very little installation...
10:37.42dutchfishZitZ, like a net boot dir per machine
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10:38.04wols_!installit
10:38.05dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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10:40.53dutchfishZitZ, or are you trying to setup machine trusts in a domain?
10:41.49ZitZActually i was thinking about going down that route, i started, but it seemed like i was going backwards
10:41.58ZitZby the way i just got it working
10:42.00ZitZthanks
10:42.05dutchfishZitZ, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/domain-member.html
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10:42.53ZitZare there any extra security issues with using what i just did with the force user and all?
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10:43.40dutchfishZitZ, not really but you can make samba just authenticate based in subnet as a crude rule
10:45.05mic_pwols_: done. I see <EB>L<90>
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10:45.44dutchfishZitZ, samba has a fine graned security mechanism, it all depends on the backend you are going to use
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10:46.45dutchfishZitZ, per default samba user userbased backend, that is not very flexible in a large network but will do in small ones
10:47.27dutchfishZitZ, there is more to it, but it will fill a whole book
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10:47.38ZitZwhat do you mean by backend?, This is just my home computer, my laptop and desktop on linux, the rest on windows
10:47.56torrrrrrrrris matrix raid integrated yet?
10:47.56ZitZi know, luckily the Samba how-to is one of the best documents for a single application out there
10:48.08torrrrrrrrrhas matrix raid been assimilated?
10:48.37wols_torrrrrrrrr: no
10:48.54wols_torrrrrrrrr: and I doubt it will be. use software raid. "matrix raid" is fakeraid anyways
10:49.02dutchfishZitZ, with backend i mean, where will to user/machine security be stored and how it will be authenticated, ie files, database, another windows DC, what ....
10:49.43dutchfishZitZ, and even ldap is very usable
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10:49.54dutchfishZitZ, it all depends on your needs
10:50.26torrrrrrrrrwols_: I know, I just use in in w2k3, and I thought to diskimage with dd
10:50.53dutchfishZitZ, for a small homenet you will probably using default file based, smbpasswd tools and the like
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10:51.46ZitZNetworking is probably my biggest grey area, but its just a small home network, and i live in the middle of no where, i only have to worry about web based attacks i guess
10:51.52mic_pwols_: sorry if I ask you directly, but have you read mail post?
10:52.03mic_pwols_: my post :)
10:52.38dutchfishZitZ, yes, probably, but if this samba machine connect to the internet, use some form of firewalling to protect smb and nmb protos
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10:53.06dutchfishZitZ, iptables can easely do that
10:53.10zinxthere a page for the iceweasel 3.0-rc2 junk in debian?  stupid thing ignores my attempts to go anywhere, including about: pages
10:53.31ZitZyeah i do, actually, my isp made us by a new modem when they upgraded our connection
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10:54.01ZitZTHis modem has a NAT firewall, but so does my router, so i am behind a double nat firewall that i can't forward ports through
10:54.19foobar8if i run debsums, i get: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-xen-amd64/modules.pcimap FAILED (+around 7 other files in that directory modules.*) - is there a good reason for this?
10:54.26ghatakBushmills: thanks, actually I already have nagios, but I never used it to poll any of the temprature information. But you suggestion is very nice, I will add checks to collect that information.
10:54.29dutchfishZitZ, if this is setup correctly, the outside wont be able to connect to your samba
10:54.58ZitZthe only thing i can do is configure my router as a wireless access point, which doesn't help much for forwarding ports because the modem has a terrible web interface
10:55.16ZitZbut yeah, nothing can get to my samba
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10:57.18dutchfishZitZ, a further measure would be allow on ip based like aadding this in your smb.conf: hosts allow = 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 (watch the space between ip's)
10:57.19foobar8answering my own question: #389807
11:00.03dutchfishZitZ, or for you whole subnet like: hosts allow = 192.168.1.
11:00.14ZitZdutchfish, i was actually looking into that earlier, if i'm not mistaking i just need to add 192.168.1.1 and that would allow all traffic from the router (the home network) and nothing else right?
11:00.25ZitZoh
11:01.15ZitZso host allow = 192.168.1 will allow all traffic from the home network
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11:01.40dutchfishZitZ, samba does not use CDIR notation like x.x.x.x/24
11:02.01dutchfishZitZ, yep
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11:02.53ZitZi don't need to specify hosts deny, everything else is blocked by default?
11:03.01szonekwhich system would you recommend for desktop/laptop.. ubuntu or debian?
11:03.16dutchfishZitZ, if and only if you made this host allow statement correctly, yes
11:03.29szonekwhich system would you recommend for desktop/laptop.. ubuntu or debian? and why?
11:03.35dutchfishZitZ, by default (without host allow) samba allows anything
11:04.03ZitZ@dutchfish, i'm glad to know that now, thanks alot
11:04.12dutchfishZitZ, yw
11:04.35ZitZ@szonek, i think everyone here will be biased toward debian and away from ubuntu, but i think debian lenny is very capable of laptop
11:05.06ZitZszonek, i have debian on my laptop, i installed a complete gnome and everything worked practically out of the box
11:06.26szonekokay, but why is it better than Ubuntu?
11:06.47dutchfish!tell szonek about whydebian
11:07.10ZitZlol, that's easy
11:07.53dutchfishZitZ, the best things are mostly easy ;)
11:08.00JemtI prefer Debian over Ubuntu because of the flexibility when it comes to repositories. I don't like that Ubuntu's repositories are fixed. Also, it seems bugs are fixed faster on Debian
11:08.13foobar8sorry for "crossposting" (if anybody is also in ##xen): i have a really strange problem with debian/etch amd64 xen dom0 kernel - if i use the corresponding non-xen kernel a huge postgresql import works - if i use the xen dom0 kernel i have strange random corruption with version "Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5" - at the moment i try it with "Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6" and so far it semms to work - but reading the changelog I don't fi
11:08.13foobar8an explanation for this - any hints/tips?
11:08.44dutchfishfoobar8, what libc6 you are using?
11:09.10szoneklol, funny thing is that one link that bot gave me is porn site, second doesn't work, third is from year 2000
11:09.32foobar8dutchfish: Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
11:09.36dutchfishhides away in the baushes
11:09.47dutchfishfoobar8, libc6-xen ?
11:09.53szonekand only one works (the one @ debian.org)
11:10.22ZitZszonek, what Jemt said is true, debian is much quicker with bugs, and since ubuntu grabs from debian unstable for its releases it usually spends time fixing more bugs, ubuntu might be a little more user friendly in terms of installing "non-free" software like 3-d graphics drivers and other bells and whistles, debian is much more flexible in terms of configuration
11:10.49szonekokay, i like that
11:10.58szonekcurrently i'm using Gentoo
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11:11.04szonekbut i want to try something new
11:11.04ZitZif you don't mind a bit of configuring then debian is great, also, debian tends to get a reputation as a hackers distro, but it really isn't
11:11.04dutchfishi like debian mainly because 1. stability 2. packeging system 3. responsive community
11:11.19foobar8dutchfish: no - it seems there is no libc6-xen in etch? (on lenny i have one)
11:11.27Bushmillsszonek: probably the target groups are a bit different. ubuntu seems to target the kind of user who want to "use" but not to know. debian is  more addressing technical users.
11:11.28szoneki used Ubuntu too, it's okay but too 'automatic' for me
11:11.33dutchfishfoobar8, ouch
11:11.36ZitZszonek, yeah i guess you would if you are from gentoo, there are tons of people that go from gentoo to debian
11:11.51dutchfishfoobar8, hold on i check what i did (getting my notes)
11:12.30dutchfishfoobar8, ii  libc6-xen                       2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
11:13.10szonekis there a possibility to use comercial drivers?
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11:13.14dutchfishfoobar8, mm. maybe not in amd64, hold on
11:13.15szonekfor example from Intel
11:13.16szonek?
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11:13.29foobar8dutchfish: aptitude -s install libc6-xen ... Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libc6-xen"
11:13.41szoneki mean "non-free"
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11:14.07ZitZszonek, Nvidia and ATI both have drivers available for linux, these are easy to install on debian or ubuntu
11:14.11nisalomeknoppix is also based on debian. i have a live dvd of it and it also plays video files without need to download codecs
11:14.36dutchfishfoobar8, maybe you can get from lenny  amd64 libc6-xen 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (not tested this)
11:15.00Bushmillsszonek: some years back, a graph with number of years linux experience on x axis, and number of users on y showed debian to rise - few complete noob, but more who switched to debian when experience grew. most other distributions were falling (i suppose gentoo has a graph similar to debian).  i'd expect ubuntu to score higher with noobs, and some/many ubuntu users will reorientate when their experience grew
11:15.08foobar8dutchfish: hmm
11:15.22dutchfishfoobar8, nope it cant
11:16.09dutchfishfoobar8, it could be that it is no longer needed on amd64
11:16.47szonekZitZ: what about Intel drivers?
11:16.48dutchfishfoobar8, do you check syslog for errors?
11:17.12szoneki have a laptop with integrated graphic card
11:17.13foobar8dutchfish: the really strange thing is that using Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6 it works (import just finished)
11:17.34foobar8dutchfish: (xen kernel)
11:17.50dutchfishfoobar8, could be modules related hold on
11:17.55ZitZzsonek, i don't have any Intel graphics cards, but i do know that they offer something, but i have gotten an integrated intel graphics card to use 3d with open source xorg drivers on debian
11:19.08dutchfishfoobar8, and your dom-0's kernel is also 2.6.18 latest etch xen kernel?
11:19.22dutchfishfoobar8, 2.6.18-6 if i am right?
11:20.28foobar8dutchfish: yes
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11:20.56dutchfishfoobar8, and you are sure that /etc/xen/yourdom-u.cfg points to th right kernel and intrd within dom-0?
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11:22.53foobar8dutchfish: maybe you got me wrong it works with xen dom0 kernel Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6 but it did not work with xen dom0 kernel Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5 - and looking at the debian changelogs i can't find an explanation for this
11:22.57Vicfredhi all
11:23.06grulhi
11:23.39VicfredI'm getting this error when I try to compile xchat http://pastebin.com/m3b445bfb , help?
11:24.49wols_Vicfred: why compile it?
11:24.52dutchfishfoobar8, i have 2.6.18 ... etch5 and 6 working on intel 32 bit, so it could be specifically amd64 related
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11:25.36dutchfishfoobar8, i dont grasp why libc6-xen is missing either
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11:25.49Vicfredwols_: its the lastest version, its on the repos but its an old version
11:26.13foobar8dutchfish: the reason i am digging into this is that i want to expel¹ hardware problems (¹don't know wether this is the correct english term)
11:26.17wols_Vicfred: what version is it exactly?
11:26.18dutchfishfoobar8, do you have more then 3.2 GB ram on dom-0?
11:26.25wols_!info xchat
11:26.30dpkgxchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 297 kB, Installed size: 724 kB
11:26.31dutchfishfoobar8, i got you
11:26.50wols_Vicfred: is it much newer than 2.8.4-2+b1?
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11:27.12dutchfishfoobar8, is your dom-U 32 bits?
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11:27.19foobar8dutchfish: yes
11:27.27dutchfishfoobar8, aha ...
11:27.31foobar8dutchfish: yes (ram) - no dom-U running
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11:28.40foobar8dutchfish: the problem first appeared in 64bit domU - but it worked on a 32bit system - now i "bisected" it and reduced the differences
11:28.48dutchfishfoobar8, i had other issues when running xen with more then that amount of ram on amd64, when is brought it back below thta tresholt it worked fine, your32 bit dom-U's ned at least libc6-xen latest
11:29.09reZo_enouf: how random is this, it suddenly works! fonts are normal!
11:29.13reZo_i'm in xfce4 at the moment,
11:29.14dutchfishfoobar8, confirmed
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11:29.29reZo_i installed kde4, if that makes a difference
11:29.35reZo_don't see why it would though
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11:29.43foobar8dutchfish: but your problems only appeared on 32bit domUs? not 64Bit domUs?
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11:30.33dutchfishfoobar8, no problem on 32 bit only problem on amd64 when more then 3.2 GB ram (i think this is hardware related, maybe bios, i used supermicro boards when i tested this)
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11:31.22MrBrush1 * * * * /bin/chmod -R 755 /home/gellingm/WWW/lijsten/files >/dev/null 2>&1
11:31.23MrBrushhow can I execute this script each 15 minutes?
11:31.27dutchfishfoobar8, on intel boards with 8GB i had none of those problems
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11:32.05foobar8dutchfish: hmm - is that a widespread problem? should one consider xen amd64 on non-intel with mem>3.2GB unstable?
11:32.22dutchfishfoobar8, i dont know, because i could not find reference to back this up
11:32.27the-dudeMrBrush: */15
11:32.39MrBrushthe-dude: thanks
11:32.51foobar8dutchfish: this machine is non-intel btw.
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11:32.58dutchfishfoobar8, i suspect libc6-xen has to do with this
11:33.27dutchfishfoobar8, my amd64 setup was intel 64 bits
11:33.40MrBrush*/15 * * * * /bin/chmod -R 755 /home/gellingm/WWW/lijsten/files >/dev/null 2>&1
11:33.47MrBrushthe-dude: like that?
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11:34.08dutchfishfoobar8, what i like to now if this is repeatable with a 32 bits PAE kernel
11:34.42dutchfishfoobar8, did you ask ##xen channel?
11:34.47foobar8dutchfish: first i will now test it in a 64bit domU
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11:34.56dutchfishfoobar8, good plan
11:35.09foobar8dutchfish: ##xen, yes - no answer so far
11:35.22dutchfishfoobar8, i would like to do myself but i have no non-intel 64 bits atm
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11:36.02foobar8dutchfish: thanks for your help
11:36.03dbmoodbhi ah just got a q on debian etch i can traceroute out using icmp and that works, however from the same network using the exact same configuration.... it doesn't work on lenny
11:36.04dutchfishfoobar8, could you pastebin a example of your errors (if any)?
11:36.08dbmoodbwhat has changed....
11:36.31dbmoodbi should also point out that i cannot resolve normally (due to my firewall setup)
11:36.56dutchfishfoobar8, 2nd: what nic you have?
11:37.20dutchfishfoobar8, e1000 ?
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11:39.02dutchfishdbmoodb, do you have network-manager installed btw?
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11:39.26dbmoodbdutchfish: yes but its not on
11:39.37foobar8dutchfish: RTL8111/8168B and RTL-8169
11:39.47dbmoodb10  74.125.49.97 (74.125.49.97)  188.987 ms  189.557 ms *
11:39.48dbmoodb11  * *
11:39.52dbmoodbi get random **'s
11:40.09dutchfishfoobar8, could  be that ipv6 is getting in your way
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11:40.44dbmoodbi shall return in a bit if someone an provide an answer i will be happy
11:40.54foobar8dutchfish: ?
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11:41.46Legalityhey, a box that is having really high io wait even though there are no processes running and swap is used only 24k
11:41.46dutchfishfoobar8, does should work well, that is not related to your problem, but i had with e1000 drivers
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11:42.26LegalityHeres some info: http://pastebin.org/44681
11:42.41Legalityany ideas what could cause the high io wait? It's not swap is it?
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11:42.51dutchfishfoobar8, but i would like to see some error messages about your problem
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11:44.43the-dudeMrBrush: yes like that
11:45.08the-dudeMrBrush: */7     *       *       *       *       fetchmail &> /dev/null
11:45.08Legalityany ideas what could cause the high io wait and therefore load averages of 10-20
11:45.33foobar8dutchfish: i have to correct myself - the problem probably still appears using 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6 - running VACUUM on the database - so far i get warnings: 'WARNING:  relation "pg_toast_17012" page 328039 is uninitialized --- fixing'
11:46.13foobar8dutchfish: and here comes the error: ERROR:  invalid page header in block 475711 of relation "pg_toast_17012"
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11:46.52foobar8dutchfish: => problem still there with the amd64 dom0 kernel (it works with the non-xen kernel)
11:47.19dutchfishfoobar8, mmm... could indicate mem problems too, did you run memtest86+ ?
11:48.01foobar8dutchfish: only memtester - is there some remotely useable version of memtest86+ (maybe spitting out the results via ethernet?)
11:48.12dutchfishfoobar8, is this postgre ?
11:48.17foobar8dutchfish: yes
11:48.47dutchfishfoobar8, are you running this in dom-0????
11:48.53foobar8dutchfish: yes
11:49.07foobar8dutchfish: only to detect the source of the problem
11:49.11dutchfishfoobar8, mm... normally i do that in dom-u's
11:49.21dutchfishfoobar8, ok
11:50.15dutchfishfoobar8, how many cpu's?
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11:50.24foobar8dutchfish: 2
11:50.34dutchfishfoobar8, do they have same stepping?
11:50.44foobar8dutchfish: yes
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11:51.08dutchfishfoobar8, could you run this again binding just 1 core to dom-0?
11:51.35foobar8dutchfish: hmm - my time is quite limited
11:52.03dutchfishfoobar8, ok, my gues, there is something fishy in the cpu sheduling, corrupting mem access
11:52.23dutchfishfoobar8, again back to square one, lic6-xen
11:52.39dutchfishs/lic6-xen/libc6-xen
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11:52.43foobar8dutchfish: first i will run once again memtester and the import on a non-xen kernel to make sure it really is no hardware problem
11:52.52dutchfishfoobar8, yep
11:52.56foobar8dutchfish: the if I find the time i will come back to the xen problem
11:53.04foobar8dutchfish: ~s/the/then/
11:53.07dutchfishfoobar8, good luck
11:53.11foobar8dutchfish: thanks
11:53.40larcozon what website i could find the debian pkg usage report...
11:54.23dutchfish!tell larcoz about popcon
11:54.23kienerii_how can i open the userlist for a channel in xchat?
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11:54.53wols_larcoz: what usage report?
11:54.56wols_!popcon
11:54.57dpkgrumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
11:55.01szonekif i add SCRIPT to CRONTAB with nice.. would nice work with child processes too?
11:55.15larcozpopcon.. that was what i was searching for
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11:56.33dutchfishhow do i interprete the ever increasing nuber of RC bugs of stable while testing RC bugs are decreasing, does that for instance mean stable will get a minor release update? and are those graphs real and right?
11:56.38dbmoodbhi i'm back anyone got any ideas re not resolving correctly ?
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11:57.05dbmoodbdutchfish: yes but the stable buts have increased over a long period no ? if i get that .... correctly
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11:57.38dutchfishdbmoodb, yes, so testing has less bugs then stable, i am confused
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11:58.52dbmoodbdutchfish: well i don't think is the correct way of thinking about it
11:59.13dutchfishdbmoodb, try disabling ipv6, see if that helps with your netstat problem
11:59.24dbmoodbwhy would it  dutchfish ?
11:59.31dbmoodbi might add an ipv6 out tho
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12:00.00dbmoodbdutchfish: how should i go about disabling it then ?
12:00.34flip_can anyone help me out w/ an X problem?  i dist-upgraded lenny and im all of a sudden in a low resolution; ive tried adding stuff to xorg.conf (driver, syn ranges, modeline, defaultdepth, some options to ignore edid etc)  and nothing seems to change it
12:00.36dutchfishdbmoodb, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409
12:00.49dbmoodbdutchfish: i do like my ipv6 tho
12:00.57flip_xrandr -q says 1600x1200 is more than possible yet xrandr -s 1600x1200 says the modeline doesnt exsist?
12:01.06flip_can anyone help me get back to 16x12 lol
12:01.33dutchfishdbmoodb, me too, but thats bside the point, i found lenny still have some difficulties atm with its stack
12:01.34NetNietTo restart the install i try base-canfig .. but it's nit there ? pls advice
12:01.39dbmoodbflip_: check the monitor connection
12:01.59flip_dbmoodb: the monitor cable?  its working just fine --- im talking to you right now in X
12:02.04flip_dbmoodb: but the wrong res
12:02.33dbmoodbipv6 stack is having problems ?
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12:03.26dutchfishdbmoodb, not pure sang, but some apps working on it like network-manager and 802.1X
12:03.43NetNietWhat i need to change is my keyborad set up ..
12:03.56dbmoodbflip_: i would reconfigure xorg
12:04.22dbmoodb--- it is now bullet proof x so there should be minimal configuration, try moving the old config to a back up location and trying again
12:04.24flip_dbmoodb: dpkg -reconfigure xserver-org?   this does nothing; in fact it just overwrites xorg.conf w/ an empty shell config file
12:04.27dutchfishdbmoodb, testin gis ... well ... testing
12:04.37dbmoodbnar this is different this is some bug...
12:04.41dbmoodbfor me
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12:05.03dbmoodbcould it be that the lengths of the icmp packets have been changed ...?
12:05.11dutchfishdbmoodb, nope
12:05.35dutchfishdbmoodb, at the top of my head still 64
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12:06.21dutchfishdbmoodb, per default
12:06.24dbmoodbok
12:06.27flip_ok i have an idea
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12:07.34dutchfishdbmoodb, you might want to check your logs or if you really keen increase verbosity
12:07.38dbmoodbdutchfish: got an ipv6 host i can resolve perhaps ?
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12:07.55dbmoodbi did that dutchfish during the trace didn't get much
12:08.28dutchfishdbmoodb, cant help you with that, i refer too tcpdump, wireshark
12:08.53Jyggagreetings, i got a quick question for you people. I got a Server here that has a malfunctional mainboard (oooold hardware), it has several NICs installed. If i rebuild the alignment of those pci cards on a new board and just plug the harddrive into a new pc ... how are the chances that it works? :) the kernel is a default sarge afaik
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12:09.08dutchfishdbmoodb, but please do check it with ipv6 disabled so at leats you can narrow it down
12:09.18dbmoodbwell ok one second
12:09.46dbmoodbmy previous wiresharking just showed packets with the wrong ttl i think
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12:10.05dutchfishdbmoodb, checksum erros you mean (thats normal)
12:10.18dbmoodbwell.... yes but...
12:10.29dutchfishdbmoodb, thats wireshark itself
12:10.35dbmoodbdutchfish: i should make the file yeah (to disable ipv6)
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12:10.44dbmoodbdutchfish: no not a packet was dropped tho....
12:10.52dutchfishdbmoodb, i just handed you the link
12:11.17dbmoodbsure
12:11.26dbmoodbah... do i really have to restart
12:11.43dutchfishdbmoodb, hehe geis again
12:11.54dutchfishs/geis/guies
12:12.01dutchfishsorry for typos
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12:13.26dutchfishdbmoodb, oos no, sorry you do need to restart, the modules wont be unloaded
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12:14.28entropyhow can I set a static IP address and make it stay set? i've set it as static, with all requirements in /etc/network/interfaces but every few minutes it's ip address gets "lost" and I have to reassign the ip
12:14.28entropyit's for an eth device, my wireless is for internet(dhcp) but i have a static on the ethernet which uses a crossover-cable to a device i'm working on
12:14.59dbmoodbdutchfish: same problem
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12:15.15dutchfishdbmoodb, you are behind a proxy?
12:15.20dbmoodbno
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12:15.28dbmoodbit would seem that ipv6 was loaded anyway
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12:15.38dutchfishdbmoodb, huh?
12:15.59dbmoodbwell added the aliases to that file..
12:16.10dbmoodbshould i just blacklist it ?
12:16.14dutchfishdbmoodb, It is important that this comes in a file earlier in an alphanumeric sort than aliases since that contains aliases that turn this on.
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12:16.33BumfunMChello
12:16.40dbmoodbyes it does, it was in the file they stated on that page
12:16.50flip_nothing ive been able to do has fixed the "bulletproof" X config you speak of
12:16.54flip_im stil stuck in 1280x1024
12:17.00flip_any help would be greatly appreciated
12:17.19dbmoodbflip_:  your on lenny yes ...
12:17.22flip_yes.
12:17.29dbmoodbwhat graphics card do you have ?
12:17.35flip_ati radeon xpress 200
12:17.40flip_using the "ati" driver
12:17.48flip_from xserver-xorg-ati
12:18.04BumfunMC########### i have a question: i'd like to install debian with another computer than i'll run it on. do i have to adjust some drivers or do anything after the installation?
12:18.17flip_xserver-xorg-video-ati rather
12:18.17dbmoodbcan you move the xorg config file to a backup location and go dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:18.25flip_dbmoodb: yes i just did that
12:18.25dutchfishat the top of my head r200 is removed from xserver-xorg-video-ati in lenny latest
12:18.32dbmoodbBumfunMC: it depends often not
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12:18.49flip_the only questions reconfig asks me is about the keyboard -- not display
12:18.54dbmoodbdutchfish: why ? ! ??? what is the reasoning behind that dutchfish ?
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12:19.01wols_flip_: lenny or sid?
12:19.05dutchfishi dont know why but it is
12:19.06flip_wols_: lenny
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12:19.23wols_all you can do is manually edit xorg.conf
12:19.25flip_deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
12:19.31Stonekeeperhi. Am I right in thinking that the etch installer does not install grub to both disks in a raid1 /boot setup?
12:19.43flip_wols_: ive been trying --- i edited it i cant seem to get it to change anything
12:19.43wols_Stonekeeper: it does. but only to one disk
12:19.48flip_i have my xorg.conf file on pastebin
12:19.51flip_would you like to see it?
12:19.52BumfunMCdbmoodb what about the display driver and anything like that? i had troubles to install it on sda on one pc and run it as sdb on another
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12:20.15dbmoodbBumfunMC: just make grub aware on boot - i.e. just change it
12:20.18Stonekeeperwols_: that's what i meant. Ok, thanks. I'm pretty sure this has been an issue for years :/
12:20.20wols_BumfunMC: display drivers have to do what with disk device names?
12:20.31triflerHmm I don't have a manpage for unrar. So how do I unrar a series of rared files. .rar-.r20 ?
12:20.31flip_should i be using a differant driver then???
12:20.35wols_Stonekeeper: part of it is that grub has no raid support
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12:20.48wols_flip_: it's an xorg issue. drives won't help
12:20.56Stonekeeperwols_: but... how is it booting of an md device then?
12:20.57flip_ok
12:20.58wols_*drivers
12:21.01BumfunMCwols: nothing. i just had problems with the wrong display driver booting from the hd of another pc
12:21.03flip_http://pastebin.com/m6350f69
12:21.05flip_theres my xorg.conf
12:21.17flip_is there something essential im missing to make it accept the resolution
12:21.18flip_?
12:21.22dbmoodbBumfunMC: so there was no problem ? just reconfigure x ?
12:21.31wols_yes. your xorg log
12:21.38flip_:p
12:21.42flip_get that to
12:21.48wols_dbmoodb: did you read? it won't work in lenny anymore
12:22.07wols_lenny asks the monitor via edid what it can do and that's what it sets. no more no less
12:22.09dbmoodbyeah that was flip not BumfunMC
12:22.28wols_oh I see
12:22.32flip_http://pastebin.com/m6ae5c99
12:22.35flip_thres my X lo
12:22.36flip_log
12:22.45dbmoodbwols_: i did read it, wols_ i just hope you can override it then (for flip)
12:22.50flip_i have IgnoreEDID set in xorg.conf because i was getting an EDID error somewhere
12:22.51BumfunMCdbmoodb wont the /dev with the hardware from pc1 be used on pc2 then and cause errors?
12:23.07flip_i cant remember where now
12:23.14flip_if it helps my monitor is an HP L2065
12:23.17flip_20" lcd
12:23.26flip_and im using dvi to dvi cable
12:23.33dbmoodbBumfunMC: you know what try it your self. again and just fix grub so it can boot and see what happens, it should work unless you install 64bit and then move it to a 32bit computer
12:23.49BumfunMCdbmoodb ok thanks
12:24.59wols_flip_: http://pastebin.com/m6ae5c99
12:25.14wols_(EE) RADEON(0): No connected devices found!
12:25.18wols_seems to be the culprit
12:25.34wols_it then falls back to "VGA" and you get your result
12:25.46flip_hrmm
12:25.52flip_how do i fix that?
12:26.03flip_lol because i assure you there is a monitor connected
12:26.04flip_:F
12:26.10flip_im typing to you on it right now
12:26.15wols_check read-edid
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12:26.30flip_wols_: command not found
12:26.36flip_this is why i ignoreedid in my xorg.conf i think
12:26.51wols_!installit
12:26.51dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
12:26.53Jemt!install
12:26.54dpkgThere are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
12:26.56JemtSorry
12:27.24flip_wols_: i didnt need that i was typing lol ---- ive apt-cache searched for everything edid related and i cant find anything
12:27.40flip_is there a repository specifically for the new x stuff that im missing?
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12:27.48entropy:(
12:28.18wols_!info read-edid lenny
12:28.32dutchfishnope
12:28.33wols_!tell entropy about interfaces
12:28.46flip_read-edid edid EDID
12:28.53flip_none of that brings up anything in apt-cache search
12:28.53flip_:F
12:29.00dpkgread-edid: (hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-2.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
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12:29.18entropywols_: if i run this command, after the sleep the IP address is gone, something on the system removes the setting almost instantly  ::  ifconfig eth4 192.168.39.231 && ifconfig eth4 && sleep 1 && ifconfig eth4
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12:29.36wols_entropy: are ypu running gnome?
12:29.42entropyno
12:29.59entropyi'm running a minimal window manager i wrote myself
12:30.05wols_use the factoid I gave you
12:30.08Esteth_I'm running a debian based live CD (finnix) which has mounted only half of a hardware SCSI Raid. Anyone know how to get at the second disk?
12:30.15wols_!debian based
12:30.15dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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12:30.53Esteth_oh.
12:30.57entropyah, NetworkManager (whatever that is) is deactivating the thing
12:31.22dbmoodbentropy: yes so turn it off then
12:31.24wols_!tell entropy about network manager
12:31.26dbmoodb/etc/init.d/ne....
12:31.38dutchfishwols_, read-edid not on amd64
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12:31.52entropyok, nm, thanks guys, now that i know what's doing it i can rtfm from here
12:31.55entropysoz, bye
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12:32.53wols_flip_: try to set res with xrandr
12:33.44dbmoodbwols how do i file a bug report properly for an app is there a good tutorial or page
12:34.24dbmoodbpidgin keeps crashing and i can't report it ...
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12:34.57dutchfishbug rapport: http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=145
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12:35.22dbmoodbthank you
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12:38.16wols_!reportbug
12:38.16dpkgi guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>.  Install reportbug, then run reportbug.  Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting
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12:40.07dbmoodbah i can't get it to use the menu interface
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12:40.36_AleX_hi all ! I've a strange problem (on Debian Etch). I've created an user with "adduser myuser". When i do a "ps aux", I don't show his login, but his UID (and only for this user). I've checked, the login is correctly defined in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, and the command "id myuser" work well. I've try to logout and re-login, same problem. An idea ?
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12:41.31stew_AleX_: was the username longer than 8 characters?
12:41.58jnbes_AleX_, what does a "ls -ld /home/myuser" give you?
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12:42.13_AleX_stew: no, the username is 8 characters long, exactly
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12:42.45_AleX_drwxr-xr-x 5 myuser myuser 139 2008-06-19 14:33 /home/myuser/
12:43.01jnbesok good
12:43.03stew_AleX_: that might be it.  ps uses uid for longer usernames,  try the same thing with a shorter username and i'll bet you get different results from ps
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12:43.36_AleX_stew: i'm trying to add another user with a 8 characters long username ...
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12:44.51dutchfishstew, just a quick question i always had tried to find out, on suse i could make some pam options to make longer user names, say 12 chararcters, can this be done in debian too?
12:45.37_AleX_stew: adduser tototiti .... su - tototiti ... sleep 50 ... from another window : ps aux | grep tototiti => tototiti 10476  0.0  0.0   3196   468 pts/1    S+   14:45   0:00 sleep 50
12:45.38jnbesdutchfish, I use long user names in my debian
12:45.47_AleX_very strange ! :)
12:45.55stewdutchfish: you don't need any such option, you can go ahead and create much longer usernames now
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12:46.07dutchfishstew, ok, thanks
12:46.17jnbes_AleX_, ps don't likes french names, THAT is the reason
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12:46.41_AleX_jnbes: it's a normal username, without special characters
12:47.04jnbes_AleX_, it was just a joke. I just noticed you were also on #plone-fr
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12:48.27_AleX_and it's not a joke ! :)
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12:52.52Stonekeeperis there a way to get apt-get to recursively remove the dependancies for the removed package?
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12:53.43_AleX_stew: I found the problem: I do not know count after 8! login actually contains 9 characters! sorry for the inconvenience! I'll drink a cup of coffee!
12:53.59Nylegood morning
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12:55.31ddp`hi
12:55.34wols_Stonekeeper: yes. from lenny onwards
12:55.41wols_!tell Stonekeeper why aptitude
12:55.48wols_!tell Stonekeeper abour why aptitude
12:55.51wols_!tell Stonekeeper about why aptitude
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12:57.22Stonekeeper:)
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12:57.34flip_back -sorry boss called
12:57.43flip_so -- anyone know how to get read-edid in lenny?
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12:57.57streuner!find read-edid
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12:58.19streunerflip_: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
12:58.25streuner(if its not in lenny)
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12:58.37flip_is changing to sid the same as changing to unstable?
12:58.45flip_as a full sys upgrade
12:58.47flip_just wondering.
12:58.50wols_it's not on amd64
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12:58.53wols_flip_: use xrandr
12:58.59flip_wols_: ahh ok
12:59.04flip_wols_: i am amd64
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12:59.25dbmoodbflip_: don't go two steps foward if etch worked one back
12:59.27Dime-Hi
12:59.44stewflip_: yes, sid is the same as unstable
12:59.48flip_wols_: xrandr -s 1600x1200 says its not found in availble modes
13:00.01flip_dbmoodb: it worked in lenny before a dist-upgrade; ive always been lenny on this machine
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13:00.26bwrHi, i'm trying to get rspec working with ruby on debian. I have ruby installed from the package system and the librspec package as well. I am running the example from the website on rspec. here is the output http://rafb.net/p/l50DCL94.html
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13:02.19EoNis there some sort of web based or downloadable app/tool that i can use to determine if my mail server is set up correctly (with regards to RDNS, SPF, etc)?
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13:03.53Stonekeeperwols_: are you saying that it's impossible to have a raid1 /boot setup where grub will work regardless of the disk that's in?
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13:04.32dbmoodbStonekeeper: you could just change the disk number no --- but i don't think its going to boot regardless (unless you set up bios properly)
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13:04.57psilocyb1nwhat kind of email "client" u recommend for linux? i just need retrieve/send with imap, have gmail account.
13:06.06dbmoodbicedove or evolution are both good
13:06.06psilocyb1nevolution, the address book, i can't add any addresses there.
13:06.06psilocyb1ni think i want
13:06.07psilocyb1njust a sender, that i can write mail by any editor
13:06.08psilocyb1nand retriever, that take the mail to some folder.
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13:08.29dbmoodb*** Unable to import urwid interface: Please install the python-urwid package
13:08.29dbmoodbto use this interface. Falling back to text interface.
13:08.35dbmoodbbut the thing is i did that
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13:15.34wols_Stonekeeper: I am not
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13:17.02liableare too!
13:17.24jinzohello, we're running debian etch - I'we set the locales, generated them, and everything else I usually do - but still, I can't input locale specific chars, any ideas what I'we missed ?
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13:18.07themill!extended chars
13:18.07dpkgi heard extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or  éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use .Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command
13:18.52themillextended chars =~ s/ .Similar/. Similar/
13:18.54EoNwhat's the command to tell if reverse dns is set up ?
13:18.59stewheh, how many different encodings in that factoid?
13:19.06themillstew: several...
13:20.15jinzothemill, it's a server box - so no X
13:20.29NoxInis there somewhere a list of the factoids ?
13:20.46themill!search dpkg
13:20.47dpkgPick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
13:21.03NoxInthanks
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13:21.12themill!stats
13:21.13dpkgSince Tue Jun 17 20:31:35 2008, there have been 18 modifications, 469 questions, 85 dunnos, 2 morons and 124 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 16h 49m 37s this session, and currently reference 38216 factoids.  I'm using about 16656 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 165.2/13.51 child 0.01/0.01
13:21.27themillNoxIn: with 38216 factoids, there's not really a list, as such ...
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13:22.35NoxInthemill: I assume you know the 38216 just to have the good one to give to anyone :)
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13:23.23NoxInjinzo: if you connect on your server remotly it may also depend of the software used
13:23.31jinzossh.
13:23.36themillNoxIn: something like that. There are a lot that come up on a regular basis, other than that either listkeys/listvals or the web search helps dig things up reasonably quickly providing you know what to look for.
13:23.52abrotmanhe can get a DB backup and restore it and look
13:24.59Stonekeeperi found a way to do it that seems to work
13:25.47jinzoall locales are set correctly ( sl_SI.utf8 ), hmmz - so what could be wrong else ?
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13:34.15strawksanyone has already added a device to a raid5 array? I added a disk a few hours ago and reshape speed is only 1.2MB/s
13:34.40strawkson a P2 450MHz and 4x160GB disks + 1x250GB
13:34.47moshiistrawks:md array?
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13:34.52strawksyes
13:35.09strawks[=>...................]  reshape =  9.2% (14803072/160834560) finish=2243.4min speed=1082K/sec
13:35.34strawksspeed is between 1000 and 1400KB/s
13:35.47strawksCPU is 60% idle
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13:35.59moshiistrawks: you may be able to up the io bandwidth available for the rebuild..
13:36.14moshiistrawks: does it say much in dmesg?
13:36.48strawksmd: minimum _guaranteed_  speed: 1000 KB/sec/disk.  md: using maximum available idle IO bandwidth (but not more than 200000 KB/sec) for reshape.
13:36.52chopsstrawks: Or just let it go slowly... unless you expect a disk to fail in the next couple of days, it should be okay just to start using it.  There's no need to wait for it.
13:37.31strawksI have a backup of all data and I can wait, I was just wondering why it is so slow
13:37.51strawksI'm pretty sure these disks can do faster than that
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13:41.00moshiistrawks: did you try upping the minimum?
13:41.28MacGyverNLWhere in Debian can I set global proxy settings?
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13:41.32strawksmoshii: how can I do that?
13:41.35moshiistrawks: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min
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13:41.39moshiiI think
13:42.10strawksmoshii: yes
13:42.18strawksmoshii: and it seems to work
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13:42.40moshiistrawks: going faster?
13:42.57strawksmoshii: I have set it to 5000
13:43.07strawksand now reshape speed is around 2.3MB/s
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13:43.10basixi have multiple ISPs on the same machine. What is the right way to set it up as a router?
13:43.19moshiistrawks: cool :)
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13:43.41moshiibasix: with load balancing?
13:43.47Jemtbasix: Depends - what do you want it to do? Bundle?
13:43.55strawksmoshii: still slow but better, thanks
13:44.21moshiistrawks: you could bump it up more, if you're cpu isn't doing too much
13:44.43strawksCPU is still 60% idle
13:45.06basixmoshii, i want to set it up so that 1. it load balances the traffic. 2. it maintains redundancy ( one link fails, the other takes over automatically )
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13:48.17moshiibasix: same isp for both connections?
13:48.29Jemtbasix: Maybe this is helpful to you: http://www.dm.unibo.it/~donatini/admin/rete/bonding.html
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13:49.13JemtNot really a how to though
13:49.15basixmoshii, no different ISPs
13:49.28basixJemt, okay.
13:49.34basixmoshii, the ISPs have assigned static IPs
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13:51.57moshiibasix: mm going to be a hard system to get working 100%
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13:52.16Wesleycan anyone by any change give me one of the opendns nameservers? or any other usable dns server
13:52.46moshiiJemt: that howto is for bonding two interfaces on the same switch, with the same ip
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13:53.19twobitworkman firefox leaks so much memory... if ff3 better about that?
13:53.19twobitworks/if/is
13:53.19moshiiJemt: it won't work for two different isp's with two different external ip addresses
13:53.19basixmoshii, why? actually there are 4 ISPs connected to the machine. Actually I've got this PC connected to 4 different routers...
13:53.45basixmoshii, and all 4 ISPs have assigned me a static IP
13:54.01moshiibasix: well, you have to make sure an applications traffic goes out the same connection.. otherwise the otherend will get a little confused
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13:54.28basixmoshii, yeah. how do i do that?
13:55.07moshiibasix: and if a connection dies you won't get a transparent switch, applications that are going through the dead connection will disconnect and reconnect through one of the running connections
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13:55.28strawksWesley: 208.67.222.222
13:55.51JemtThe best way is simply to assign a connection to different clients - that's a simple sort of balancing
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13:55.59Wesleythx!
13:56.02strawkstwobitwork: yes ff3 memory handling is better
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13:56.20strawkstwobitwork: a lot less memory leaks
13:56.27JemtNot quite sure how to implement it though
13:56.30JemtJust a thought
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13:56.37moshiiJemt: you need some way of feeding events into iptables or something so that it doesn't drive traffice through a dead connection though
13:56.43zinxff3 requires mmap for config files, so it's 100% useless to me :/
13:56.48Wesleymm seem to have some network trouble in NL ;)
13:57.00moshiiis look for the thing he read on this..
13:57.08Jemtmoshii: You could probably use some sort of proxy application to manage that part
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13:58.05moshiibasix: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html
13:58.10jagggydebian site is down? :s
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13:58.38slxixhttp://www.us.debian.org/ works for me.
13:58.38basixmoshii, got disconnected...
13:58.45moshiibasix: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
13:58.56Wesleywell, there are some big network issue's in holland
13:59.06jagggyhmm, now it does :s
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13:59.51slxixever use http://www.internetpulse.net/ ? i'm not sure how internationalized it is.
14:00.06chopszinx: Why does requiring mmap make it useless to you?
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14:00.28basixmoshii, yeah i was already looking at that page :P i've been using vyatta but the problem is that some links are unreliable and would want to switch over to the more reliable links...
14:00.43basixmoshii, until the unreliable ones become "stable"
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14:02.50Wesleywow
14:03.01moshiibasix: that's that hard part, you need to be able to feed events from the connections into iptables.. I have seen a network appliance that can do it
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14:03.22zinxchops: because my ~/ has no mmap support
14:03.33zinxchops: and i'm not about to put ~/.mozilla on a different filesystem
14:03.35chopszinx: Why's that?
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14:03.42zinxchops: it uses a fuse-based filesystem.
14:03.43chopszinx: Why doesn't ~ have mmap support?
14:03.51zinxchops: which lacks mmap support
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14:04.14chopszinx: You could always add that feature to that fuse-based filesystem... (out of curiosity, which filesystem?)
14:04.33zinxchops: fuse doesn't support writable mmap even where it supports readable, and encfs
14:05.40twobitworkohh... ff3 is in sid now?
14:05.55abrotman!info iceweasel sid
14:05.57dpkgiceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB
14:06.02stupidknightI have a question regarding the ext3 filesystem that I run on my debian server (etch) installation. say I have 100000 files, would it be quicker for the filesys to find one file if I store them in two different directories, or wouldn't that matter? so say 50000 file under directory ./one/ and next in que under ./two/?
14:06.24abrotmandepends how you're looking
14:06.33stupidknightabrotman: was that to me?
14:06.39abrotmanyes
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14:07.12stupidknightabrotman: k, well, simply, I know the filename and path to it.
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14:07.40abrotmanstupidknight: right but "find one" how ? find? locate? ls? how?
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14:08.01stupidknightabrotman: open a filepointer to it using PHP.
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14:08.16abrotmanif you know the full path .. i'm not sure it matters
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14:08.32soulchildHi all,... where can i change the gloabl variables ?
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14:08.38abrotmanvariables of what?
14:08.41soulchildlike $TERM
14:08.44stupidknightabrotman: k.
14:08.56soulchildEnvironment
14:09.09zinxTERM is generally set by the terminal emulator
14:09.12chopszinx: Interesting
14:09.36soulchildzinx: what about things like $LANG ?
14:09.39zinxchops: if there were some other encrypted file thing that did completely variable size, i'd be open to trying it, but i've not seen one
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14:09.45zinxsoulchild: various files in /etc
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14:10.14zinxsoulchild: that one is /etc/default/locale
14:10.29zinxbut i'm pretty sure there's some package that lets you configure it
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14:11.14soulchildzinx: yes, i am looking for the /etc/environment file, but don't know which package installs it
14:11.26chopszinx: FWIW there's http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Fuse_Writable_Mmap available.  I'm not necessarily recommending applying random patches (especially if they still haven't been applied since last year), but it might be worth looking into the progress on writable mmap for fuse FSs.
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14:12.00soulchildWooow , Enlightenment 17 is great, anyone tried it ?
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14:12.01zinxchops: gonna wait 'til it's stable, i know the read support has been iffy at best, and i'm not in to corrupt files.. plenty of other things i'll go beta on, but filesystems, not so much :P
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14:12.56chopszinx: Indeed
14:13.03jagggyhow do you know if you got i386 or ia64 or so,
14:13.12soulchildjagggy: uname -r
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14:13.25jagggyty
14:13.26wols_!ia64
14:13.27dpkgit has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*,  then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
14:13.42zinxjagggy: you have either i386 or amd64
14:13.43jagggysoulchild,   2.6.22-14-generic thats all i see :s
14:13.45wols_jagggy: you always know if it's IA64 by the price you paid
14:13.51zinxjagggy: you can use i386 on either
14:13.55wols_jagggy: go back to #ubuntu
14:14.05jagggywols_, i want debian... =_=
14:14.17wols_then you want i386 or amd64
14:14.28soulchildjagggy: try "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
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14:14.32jagggyye, but does it matter which i take?
14:14.41wols_depends if you want 32 or 64bit computing
14:14.42[Jasper]hej guys, is it hard to update a current kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.19
14:14.43[Jasper]?
14:14.46stewjagggy: yes.  what are you going to use the machine for?
14:14.50[Jasper]wil I be moving to unstable then?
14:14.51zinxjagggy: i386 will work on anything, amd64 will only work on newer (64-bit) processors
14:14.52chopsjagggy: If your /proc/cpuinfo flags include "lm", then you have an amd64
14:14.55jagggystew, just normal use
14:15.05soulchildjagggy: then use 32
14:15.07stewjagggy: i have no idea wwhat you would consider normal use
14:15.22chops[Jasper]: Why are you interested in updating to 2.6.19?
14:15.25soulchildstew: watching porns for example
14:15.25stew[Jasper]: it would be hard to move to 2.6.19. moving to 2.6.24 would be easier
14:15.30wols_[Jasper]: no. but it depends where you get this kernel from. debian has no 2.6.19 anywhere
14:15.33jagggywell, no server stew just coding, and playing a few gamesz
14:15.41basixmoshii, tell me if i understand the problem correctly. -> if a application initiates a connection, it goes to my router and is sent through one ISP. my router should then guarantee that all the subsequent connections from the SAME application should be sent via the same ISP and this isn't happening so the connections break, right?
14:15.48wols_jagggy: how much RAM?
14:15.54[Jasper]chops wols_ : iptables are broken on 2.6.18
14:15.56stewjagggy: if you want non-free browser plugins like flash and java, i386 is easier
14:15.59jagggywols 2 gb
14:16.06stew[Jasper]: iptables is not broken on 2.6.18
14:16.06wols_use i386 then
14:16.08chops[Jasper]: How broken?  I use iptables on 2.6.18.
14:16.09jagggyok :)
14:16.15stew[Jasper]: well, which version of iptables are you using?
14:16.18[Jasper]chops broken for sparc 64 bit
14:16.59jagggydoes it matter which cd thingy you download (debian-40r3-i386-CD-nr.iso )
14:17.00[Jasper]iptables version 1.3.6.0
14:17.03[Jasper]butit's a kernel bug
14:17.13wols_jagggy: yes. either the 1st cd or a netinst iso
14:17.16chops[Jasper]: You can look for new kernel packages on backports.org
14:17.24jagggyty wols_
14:17.25wols_chops: for sparc64?
14:17.36chopswols_: Does backports not have all architectures?
14:17.43moshiibasix: yup
14:17.45stew[Jasper]: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
14:17.48^shark_how do i work with tar.bz2 file,i want to unpack it
14:18.00wols_since it's user supplied packages: unlikely
14:18.17wols_^shark_: tar -jxvf <file>
14:18.18stew^shark_: /msg dpkg tar
14:18.44[Jasper]so basically there's no new kernel for debian?
14:18.47[Jasper]until .24 ?
14:18.52chopswols_: There do seem to be 2.6.24 kernels for sparc; http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch-backports&arch=sparc&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image
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14:19.04wols_!tell [Jasper] about sdn
14:19.11wols_[Jasper]: but for etch there aren't
14:19.11soulchildwhy do i have to use amd64 for a cor2duo T7100 instead of ia64 ? i mean, it is an Intelchip and NOT amd !
14:19.24wols_then I guess I am wrong
14:19.32wols_soulchild: read the factoid again
14:19.35basixmoshii, so how do i maintain the session??
14:19.42soulchild!factoid
14:19.42dpkgi guess factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something  This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
14:19.44chops[Jasper]: Keeping older-than-current kernels around is a significant maintenance burden; the stable kernels and the most-modern kernels are generally supported, but maintaining 2.6.{19,20,21,22,23,24} is a lot of work.
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14:20.06wols_soulchild: check wikipedia what IA64 actually is
14:20.15[Jasper]ok chops so updating to .24 would be a lot of problems or ?
14:20.21wols_soulchild: and do you think i386 won't work on athlons?
14:20.23chops[Jasper]: I wouldn't expect it to be
14:20.36wols_jagggy: you keep your old kernel anyways so you can go back
14:20.36[Jasper]can I just apt-get the soruces then?
14:20.51wols_you can but you can also just apt-get the finished kernel deb
14:20.55wols_!tell [Jasper] about backports
14:21.04moshiibasix: iptables will route established connections over the same interface I think,.. if you follow http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html that's what it should do
14:21.11bladeguy2can someone tell me which daemon to restart to reload the "passwd files" line in nsswitch.conf ?
14:21.13jagggyok wols_ :)
14:21.21soulchildwols_: hmm i am just confused about the names
14:21.23chops[Jasper]: Also, as wols_ said, you should keep your old kernel, so you can roll back in case of problems
14:21.24stewsoulchild: ia64 is a completely different thing.  core2duo implements the emt64/amd64 instruction set, not ia64
14:21.43chops[Jasper]: Definitely do report problems if you find any; I'd expect that sparc64 is a little light on testing, so they'd probably appreciate all the help they can get
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14:22.30bladeguy2I just changed my nsswitch.conf and need to reload it, can someone tell me how?
14:22.37basixmoshii, okay. i'll try it out
14:22.48moshiibasix: the problem is you need some way of disabling one of the routes if it goes down, you'd need something running to check that the outside world is accesible via that route and keep iptables informed
14:22.54[Jasper]that's reallt reassuring ChanServ :P
14:22.57[Jasper]chops
14:23.24moshiiwonders why the ia64 problem comes up so often
14:23.33chops[Jasper]: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not -- but either way, reassuring or not, it's true :-)
14:23.43stew[Jasper]: you can check with #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org
14:23.47basixmoshii, but if the route is unavailable, the connection should time out arbitrarily, right?
14:24.29chopsmoshii: Because people assume AMD means AMD, and look for something analogous to "i386"... I would definitely assume that ia64 was for Xeons and such if I'd never heard different.
14:25.07moshiibasix: I'm not sure how clever that setup would be, if the link goes down locally no packets would be routed out of it,.. but if the isp breaks something upstream there is no way of telling that the route is useless without something checking
14:25.09wols_chops: makes no sense since they don't have the problem with i386 and AMD cpus
14:25.37moshiichops: why aren't people trying to run i386 on xscale chips? it's all intel right?
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14:25.51zinxwonders why so many insist they know better and they have an INTEL chip, so they should use ia64, even when told otherwise :/
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14:26.05wols_moshii: no one knows what xscale even is. besides: intel doesn't own the xscales anymore
14:26.45stewi find it reasonable that when someone knows they have a 64 bit cpu that implements ia32 and some 64 bit instruction set, that the 64 bit instruction set might be ia64
14:26.57moshiiwols_: xscale is arm iirc, yes they don't own them anymore but ia64 is as much related to i386/amd64 as ia64 is
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14:27.15stewand in other news 1=1
14:27.17zinxstew: sure, but refusing to acknowledge that's not the case when someone lets you know it isn't.. is crazy
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14:27.56_eggy_Hello, when I try to compile an arbitrary gui program, I always get "checking for X... configure: error: Can find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!". What do I need to do?
14:28.13zinxprobably xorg-dev or somesuch
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14:28.23moshiistew: 9/10 pages that have a download link for a ia64 os have a warning that it probably isn't for your cpu
14:28.24zinxwhat are you trying to compile?
14:28.37_eggy_zinx: gwenview
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14:28.52zinx_eggy_: that's packaged :x
14:29.07basixmoshii, i got disconnected again! :(
14:29.09dokmaHi guys. I used iptables to block some crazy hungarian molesting my server. But when I restart the rule is gone. What is the standard way to make them permanent?
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14:29.24wols_dokma: put it in a script
14:29.24moshiiwonders if these people fail to read the labels on bleach
14:29.24chopswols_: But they do have that problem with i386... "I have a Pentium, not a 386.  What do I download?"
14:29.32_eggy_zinx: I know, with all kinds of useless deps. But some things are not packaged, and I always get stuck there
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14:29.45zinx_eggy_: the deps are likely not so useless
14:29.46dokmawols_: as in to get it executed on startup?
14:29.49themillmoshii: next, you'll be expecting ubuntu users to read /topic too.
14:29.50stewdokma: use iptables-save to save a ruleset to a file, then load the ruleset by running iptabes-restore from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces)
14:29.50wols__eggy_: you need the corresponding -dev package
14:29.53basixmoshii, yeah.. can't i write a script to say ping google.com. if it works, that link is alive... if it doesn't work, then i'll update the routing table
14:29.56wols_dokma: yes
14:30.00[Jasper]wols_ where can I find my current kernel config?
14:30.12wols_[Jasper]: /boot/config*
14:30.13_eggy_wols_: the xorg-dev that zinx suggested?
14:30.13stew[Jasper]: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
14:30.16chopswols_: I think it's part of a more general problem that Debian expects you to read the documentation and be careful about what you ask for, whereas a lot of other computer systems assume that you'll wander in like a child into an amusement park and try to have bright, clear instructions for where to proceed next.
14:30.18moshiibasix: yep, there may be a HA daemon out there to do it already though
14:30.20dokmastew: roger that!
14:30.28wols__eggy_: x libs aren't called that
14:30.30basixmoshii, HA?
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14:30.42wols_High Availability
14:30.48zinxwols_: they aren't?
14:30.57[Jasper]so why can't I just grep a config from kernel.org and compile that wols_ ?
14:31.00moshiichops: if you don't have enough ability to work out what cpu family you have you shouldn't be installing an os
14:31.03zinxwols_: maybe it's just a sid thing?
14:31.05wols_zinx: no. it has some stange silly name. has x11 in its name iirc
14:31.12zinxwols_: xorg-dev is the proper package here
14:31.14wols_it's a xorg thing
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14:31.21moshiibasix: high availability
14:31.21zinxwols_: depends on a whole bunch of x header packages.
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14:32.12wols_ah so it's a meta package
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14:32.25zinxwols_: indeed
14:32.46wols_libx11-dev is the xlibs ones
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14:32.50[Jasper]wols_ why can't I juts get a nkernel from kernel.org and compile that?
14:33.00wols_[Jasper]: you can. but use kernel-package
14:33.14moshiibasix: I don't think you'll find a system that you can install and have it just work. You'll have to work on it
14:33.20wols_[Jasper]: and it's more work and people often get it wrong and come crying. so we tend to discourage it
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14:34.07chopsmoshii: Well, but a lot of people don't expect to have to read the documentation to learn how to translate what they know into the magic architecture string.  Pentium -> i386, Xeon -> amd64, nothing (in practice) -> ia64 is not the most straightforward thing to figure out if you haven't bothered to learn it by investigating the issue.
14:34.20[Jasper]hmm I never used kernel--package before
14:34.25[Jasper]just did a manual build of kernel
14:34.32chopsmoshii: I would suspect (though I don't know) that the Ubuntu installer links say something like "32-bit is here, 64-bit is here, PPC is here", and people understand it immediately.
14:34.35basixmoshii, yeah. i'll figure out a solution. thanks for enlightening me :)
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14:34.39wols_kerne-package. and you should. there is no downside and lots of upsides
14:35.02wols_ubuntu has it easy: there is no IA64 for them
14:35.12chopswols_: Also no a lot of other stuff :-)
14:35.20[Jasper]hmm ok wols_ and then i get the kernel from that site you guys gave me I guess
14:35.30moshiichops: as wols_ said, I don't think they have the broad range of supported archs
14:36.02chopsmoshii: I'm not saying that the Debian architecture strings (or more generally the read-the-damn-documentation approach) are wrong, just that they're different from what a lot of new users are used to.  I think that's where the confusion comes in.
14:36.27simNIXTrying to disable ipv6 module from being loaded - I've replaced alias net-pf-10 ipv6 with alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off, alias net-pf-10 off, alias ipv6 off in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and rebooted - still ipv6 module is loaded
14:36.30dokmastew: I constructed something like this: pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/iptables.db
14:36.42dokmawith iptables-save > /etc/iptables.db
14:36.43dbmoodb_http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486805
14:36.45simNIXhow should I disable ipv6 loading at boot ?
14:36.51dokmaexecuted before that
14:36.58dokmastew: seems ok?
14:37.03dbmoodb_why are we telling people to turn off ipv6 still ?
14:37.31dbmoodb_--- more to my url post what should i do about this
14:37.40[Jasper]hmm wols_ I'm trying a search on backports for 2.6.19 but can't find anything
14:37.58moshiichops: mmm I would have hoped debian would be for people that are fairly skilled in this stuff and people that just want something different(tm) would buy a mac ;)
14:38.38dbmoodb_simNIX: same thing here
14:38.41_eggy_wols_: zinx thanks for the help, the xorg-dev did it (libx11-dev didn't do the trick). Im trying to avoid useless deps such as avahi-daemon for gwenview
14:38.46chopsmoshii: Yeah.  Also, I'd like a pony. :-)
14:39.03dbmoodb_simNIX: why are you trying to turn it off anyway ?
14:39.04wols_!pony chops
14:39.04dpkggives chops a pony
14:39.12chops\o/
14:39.21moshiichops: look at all the archs netbsd has ;)
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14:40.03wols_moshii: linux/debian has more by now
14:40.09stewdokma: iptables-restore wants the rules on STDIN, not a filename as an argument
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14:40.21simNIXdbmoodb: I run debian on very light hardware - 266Mhz w only 32Mb ram - so anything not loaded helps I think - also I read some programs try ipv6 which deleays if not setup
14:40.23dokmastew: corrected that
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14:40.24dokmatx!
14:40.38twobitworkhmm... my mirror must not have ff3 in sid yet
14:40.43dbmoodb_simNIX: 266mhz 32mb of ram can handle ipv6
14:40.51wols_twobitwork: it's been in there almost a week. change mirrors
14:40.57stewtwobitwork: sid has had iceweasel 3 for a week and a half now
14:40.58moshiiwols_: slow-to-build platforms are getting dropped aren't they? i.e. m68k and sparc v7/8
14:40.59dbmoodb_simNIX: so set it up then ?
14:41.02simNIXyes but I dont use ipv6
14:41.09twobitworkit's an internal IBM mirror... it does tend to be a bit behind
14:41.14MacGyverNLmoshii: That's a wrong approach to promoting linux as an end-user OS.
14:41.20dbmoodb_sure.... i guess so but ipv6 is the future...
14:41.21wols_moshii: dunno if they decided that yet
14:41.33moshiiironically, i386 won't run on a real 386 anymore :/
14:41.37wols_dbmoodb_: but far off. and not for his box :)
14:41.43chopsMacGyverNL: A lot of Debian people don't give a damn about promoting Linux as an end-user OS
14:41.56hoxu!ff3
14:41.56dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.  Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . remember to mv your ~/.mozilla elsewhere as iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings
14:41.58moshiiMacGyverNL: should it be an "end-user os"?
14:41.58MacGyverNLI know. Just saying.
14:42.03hoxu^^^ is that a good idea for etch users?
14:42.16dbmoodb_which where ?
14:42.18wols_hoxu: no
14:42.19dbmoodb_which distro ?
14:42.27dbmoodb_sorry repo* -- excieted for ff3
14:42.27hoxuoops, I misread it :P
14:42.41stewmoshii: maybe not completely dropped but becomming "second class citizens" so that they don't necessarily hold up a release
14:42.43hoxu(plus, I didn't notice any problems with FF2/3 settings)
14:43.01wols_hoxu: that part came from Nyle. dunno why
14:43.10twobitworkdbmoodb_: unstable
14:43.21dbmoodb_that easy ?
14:43.23moshiistew: We need to allow emulated buildd's in my opinion
14:43.26hoxuso, any nice solution for etch users, apart from this?
14:43.27hoxu!firefox 3
14:43.27dpkgFirefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it
14:43.47dbmoodb_hoxu: its fine on debian etch i have been using it -- the issue is just gtk
14:43.48wols_hoxu: maybe a backport some day. that will be your only solution
14:44.04wols_dbmoodb_: did it grab its own libc6?
14:44.07wols_from sid?
14:44.22hoxudbmoodb_, did you use the tarball from mozilla, and how did you solve the gtk problem?
14:44.24dbmoodb_no idea im talking about firefox not iceweasel
14:44.33stewmoshii: it sounds good to me on the surface.  I don't know whether or not there are known problems with thaat though.  and when people started losing their upload rights due to it, i decided i should just stay far away from the issue
14:44.35wols_dbmoodb_: we don't support firefox
14:44.37dbmoodb_hoxu: easy just backport gtk by installing it in a local dir
14:44.41dbmoodb_wols_: i know that
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14:44.59dbmoodb_let me find the online article i followed
14:45.05dbmoodb_was fairly long but was easy
14:45.14twobitworkhmm... I added the ftp.debian.org unstable rept, updated and aptitude -t show firefox still says 2.0
14:45.29stewtwobitwork: don't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror
14:45.29dbmoodb_and someone here could automate / do for backports (a package_
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14:45.40themilldpkg: tell twobitwork about ftp.debian.org
14:45.42stewtwobitwork: which arch are you on?
14:45.48dbmoodb_ah you guys already have it -- its that wordpress
14:45.57twobitworker, ftp.us.debian.org
14:46.18dbmoodb_thank you upgrade to iceweasel 3 now :)
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14:46.38moshiistew: couple fast boxes running uae or one of the 68k mac emu's would have the 68k port up to speed pretty quick, seems a shame to me :(
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14:47.13stewmoshii: sure.  i'm just saying i have no idea how perfect the 68k mac emulators are
14:47.42hoxudbmoodb_, which online article was that? Either in the "/msg dpkg firefox 3 etch" factoid?
14:48.09strawkstwobitwork: a lot less memory leaks
14:48.17themilldpkg: ftp.debian.org
14:48.17dpkgthemill: are you using Windows?
14:48.18strawkstwobitwork: oops sorry
14:48.18themilldpkg: literal ftp.debian.org
14:48.18dpkg"ftp.debian.org" is "not the principal mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information."
14:48.22twobitworkstrawks: kinda late on the response huh? :P
14:48.23dbmoodb_ah the firefox3 one
14:48.28dbmoodb_http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/
14:48.43themilldondelelcaro: ftp.debian.org ^^ is another factoid you can add to your dpkg naughtiness list
14:48.58hoxuthemill, dpkg is kinda annoying sometimes, try asking it about "dnsmasq" or something :p
14:49.16themillhoxu: there are quite a lot of factoids that it is choking on at the moment.
14:50.08themillhoxu: dns is an internal command -- you need to use "about dnsmasq" for that one... "fix" is another one that's well booby-trapped.
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14:50.37hoxu:)
14:51.04themillhoxu: but the choking appears to be related to special characters within the factoid, and adding "<reply>" to the beginning fixes it
14:51.12simNIX(FWIW disable ipv6 works through echo "blacklist ipv6" >>/etc/modprobe.d/00-local)
14:51.23dutchfishis there a way dpkg can spit out info about amd64 flavors only like for etch lenny?
14:51.33chopsdutchfish: What info?
14:51.34themilldpkg: ftp.debian.org =~ s/not the/<reply> ftp.debian.org is not the/
14:51.34hoxuthemill, yeah, noticed that sometime too
14:51.35dpkgOK, themill
14:51.36dbmoodb_simNIX: what abouto putting it into the blacklist file ?
14:51.46themilldpkg: ftp.debian.org
14:51.46dpkgftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information.
14:51.52dutchfishchops, like info [package foo] lenny
14:52.02dutchfishchops but then ony amd64
14:52.08dutchfishs/ony/only
14:52.12simNIXim fairly new to debian - I will google modeles blacklist file
14:52.18chopsdutchfish: Ah, I see
14:52.20stewnice, themill took dpkg to the vet for a 'special visit'
14:52.26dbmoodb_/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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14:53.00themillstew: indeed.... weren't you brewing up a replacement (speaking of...)
14:53.10simNIXty
14:53.11stewi was, got way sidetracked
14:53.18themillheh
14:53.32stewi think i made aptitude track amd64 packages instead of i386
14:53.48dutchfishstew, really? awsome!]
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14:53.53aptitudeOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew).  I can be addressed with '&'
14:54.00stewwhat is a package only in amd64?
14:54.12dutchfishread-edid
14:54.12twobitworksweet, got it... and all but one of my add-ons are compatible and the one that wasn't had an upgraded version :)
14:54.13moshiiia32libs?
14:54.14themillstew: ia32-libs
14:54.21stew&info ia32-libs
14:54.22wols_dutchfish: that's not in amd64
14:54.26dutchfishits i386 only in lenny
14:54.42stewso in like an hours, aptitude will finish updating her indexes and we'll know
14:55.02stewgetURLAsFile: getting 'http://debian.usc.edu/dists/sid/non-free/binary-amd46/Packages.gz'
14:55.03wols_stew: why is dpkg so slow with package info compared to ubottu?
14:55.21themilldpkg: you're slow
14:55.21dpkgNo, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
14:55.23aptitudeia32-libs: (ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.5 (sid), Packaged size: 26909 kB, Installed size: 68952 kB
14:55.34zinxwols_: because it has 100 times the number of packages?
14:55.48themilldpkg: congratulate aptitude
14:55.48wols_universe is not that much smaller than debian
14:55.49dpkgHuzzah aptitude, you did it!
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14:56.04stewwols_: its a horrible implementation. and it really loves to download all possible indexes pretty much everytime before considering answering
14:56.25moshiiwols_: everything ubuntu is faster because of the huge progress they have made in making things brown
14:56.25stewi had a better bot, but the offline updating was taking way too long, i'm going to see what i can get from pdo code to make it better
14:56.27wols_stew: can't you steal whatever ubottu does then?
14:56.43stewwols_: yeah, but not for dpkg as ubottu is supybot
14:57.00wols_oh, didn't know that
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14:57.19wols_we clearly need a CPAN entry for running python scripts under perl
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14:57.22dutchfish!bloodbot
14:57.22dpkgperhaps you mean blootbot
14:57.27dutchfish!blootbot
14:57.28dpkgblootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk.  Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net.  Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot.
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14:58.01[Jasper]hej guys, I was wondering whta package to apt-get to get ncurses-dev
14:58.02macoute!infobot
14:58.03dpkgInfobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
14:58.03stewheh, "You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl."  should be ammeded with "and if you are very good with perl, you may be discusted by some of the code"
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14:58.14helostupid info bot
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14:58.26stew[Jasper]: libncurses5-dev
14:58.27macoutestew: :)
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14:58.45chops[Jasper]: apt-cache search ncurses-dev
14:58.47dutchfish[Jasper], apt-file search ncurses-dev
14:58.51heloyou have to be good with perl because the code sucks, heh
15:00.00stewfor entertainment, try turning on 'strict' in some of the blootbot code
15:00.13dutchfish[Jasper], you prolly want libncurses5-dev
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15:00.33stew[Jasper]: are you wanting libncurses5-dev becuase you are trying to compile a 2.6.19 kernel?
15:00.41jewelhow can I get tftpd to log which files are not found?
15:00.56helojewel: i know you can increase the verbosity using -v
15:01.10helojewel: either in /etc/inetd.conf, or /etc/default/tftpd-hpa (whichever you use)
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15:01.41heloiirc it will show you attempted downloads... you can supposedly use multiple -v's to get more output
15:01.43[Jasper]yes stew
15:01.45[Jasper]that's correct
15:01.48[Jasper]a 2.6.20 actually
15:01.48themilldpkg: kernel build-deps
15:01.49dpkgTo compile a kernel the Debian Way using make-kpkg, "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential". If you want to use "make menuconfig", then install libncurses-dev. If you want to use "make xconfig", then install libqt3-mt-dev (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4). Also ask me about <kernel compile> <make-kpkg> <kp mantra>
15:02.05jewelhelo, I used 3 -v's already
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15:02.30hoxu-v's work with aptitude moo too.
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15:02.34stew[Jasper]: note that 2.6.20 probably has known and unpatched security problems.  is there a reason you'd rather compile 2.6.20 than use 2.6.24 that debian has comiled for you?
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15:04.42helojewel: you should see requests for the files in /var/log/daemon.log; i'm not sure it will actually tell you whether the file was sent (because it existed) or not
15:05.03[Jasper]no not really stew
15:05.11[Jasper]but how can I apt-get kernel 2.6.24 then stew ?
15:05.16[Jasper]I need to change my sources.list ?
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15:06.22jewelhelo, it doesn't show the file names
15:06.58stew[Jasper]: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
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15:07.18jewelhelo, ah, it doesn't support symlinks
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15:07.30themill[Jasper]: 2.6.24 is also in backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org
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15:09.05thunder_stormhello everybody
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15:09.37thunder_stormwith sed i can do a "search an replace" in all files, similar find . -name "*.tpl"|xargs sed -i "s#(subSilver)#(subRed)#g"
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15:10.29thunder_stormis it possible to search this here http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/268 und replace it with nothing?
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15:13.36[Jasper]stew would it be wise to do an apt-get upgrade
15:13.45[Jasper]after I add etchnhalf to souces.list ? :P
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15:15.05jellythunder_storm: simple sed recipes usually work with single lines
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15:15.40stew[Jasper]: yes
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15:17.08ggican anyone help me out with using ssh? i'm trying to forward ports such that another comp can run a passive ftp server. from my understanding of pasv, the server has to open a random port above 1023, all i am doing right now is L1546 192.168.0.4:21 and i am able to connect, just not list and transfer files and such
15:18.35thunder_stormjelly: is it possible with another program?
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15:19.06Trewasggi: why not use sftp instead of the horrible kludge that ssh-tunneling ftp is?
15:19.24jellythunder_storm: yes.  Don't ask me how, though.
15:19.43ggibecause that comp needs to maintain a regular ftp for compatability reasons
15:19.55ggiwhich is why i can't just change its port either
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15:20.06thunder_stormjelly: lol - ok, i will change it by hand - since 1.000 files but the day is long... :-)
15:21.01jellythunder_storm: if I had to do it, I'd probably use perl.  Its s/// can span multiple lines
15:21.11ggiTrewas: do you know what other ports\switches i need to use to get such a (albeit hoprrible) result?
15:21.35ggiwow, i wish i could type...
15:21.37dmsegemergency (it is really!!!) i have downladed the debian kde image using jigdo and image md5 sum also match i need a md5 check utility that can check the whole iamge which is mounted
15:21.47thunder_stormjelly: you don't have a small perl-script for me :-)
15:21.57thunder_storm?
15:21.59dmsegit is still syaing a pkage was not found!!
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15:22.09Trewasggi: well, you'll have to also tunnel the data-connection port(s) and set the ftp-server to use those (as they usually pick a random port >1024, and tunneling all of them might be slightly problematic)
15:22.30jellythunder_storm: sorry, I don't.  See if you can find someone in a perl channel to write it for small change.
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15:23.02thunder_stormjelly: ok, i will take a look :-) thank you
15:23.07ggiTrewas: haha, ya. my biggest problem is that its a terastation, which is very "user friendly" so it wont let me define the pasv ports
15:23.32dmseg<jelly> if you are free might as well help me i have a demo in 20min
15:23.40ggiis there a way to tell it to allow the other computer to be able to open ports for connection?
15:23.50hoxuthunder_storm, have a look at xml2, it may be of use
15:24.30dmsegplease sorry to disturb i have a demo in 20min please please i need help!!!!!!!
15:25.09SlayerXPdmseg: I have a saying I use for these circumstances:  "your bad planning is not our emergency"
15:25.48jellydmseg: what do you mean, check the image which is mounted?
15:25.52ggiwow slayer, that's awesome and horrible
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15:26.04ggii just wish i could help him out...
15:26.20dmsegSlayerXP: well, i have a waying for people like you (even i provide support so might as well learn manners and chat)
15:26.30hoxudmseg, I'd use that 20 minutes to calm down, if you screw up, at least be calm about it :)
15:26.40dmsegjelly: yes
15:26.42SlayerXPggi: those who fail to prepare well in advance are doomed to look like chumps./
15:26.51ggi:)
15:27.04jellydmseg: no.  I don't understadn what that means.
15:27.28SlayerXP"i didn't bother to prepare a demo for you in time, so here are some picture of kittens instead"
15:27.29NinjaMan1is the acpid program still required these days?
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15:27.46jellySlayerXP: aww!
15:28.04dmseg<jelly> i want to check all files and folders in the mounted imagae rather than the whole iso (iam in windows right now)
15:28.22hoxudmseg, show them some images from http://icanhascheezburger.com/
15:28.42jellydmseg: no. there's only a md5sum for the whole iso, not the separate files.
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15:28.56jellydmseg: if the iso image checksum matches, it's ok.
15:28.58hoxudmseg, what's the point of checking the files if you know the iso matches checksum?
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15:29.04ggican can do download each individual package that its missing if there are only a few
15:29.12dmsegSlayerXP: i guess people like you are all it takes to make the world bad dont you know any manners?? (are you a mad person or just like that?)
15:29.20jellyhoxu: tbh it sounds like someone pulling #d leg
15:29.29hoxu!troll gong
15:29.30dpkgBONNGGGGG!!
15:29.35hoxujelly, what I thought too :p
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15:29.55dmsegjelly: there is an md5 sum every file!!
15:29.59dmsegi have it
15:30.25dmsegSlayerXP: very well done keep shut when you dont know how to talk
15:30.47slxixdo you have the md5 sum of every md5 sum file?
15:31.01hoxunew account and cloak too
15:31.40jellydmseg: I can't help you with recursively md5summing files in windows.  Try ##windows.
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15:32.11hoxuor #trolltech :p
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15:32.25jellyhoxu: see him changing the bizarre support request to something else now!
15:32.44dmsegthankyou all very appriciated slayerxp, might as well try to read channel guide lines
15:32.50dmsegcya later
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15:33.01hoxuthey are getting worse by the day
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15:33.11jellydoesn't really get it
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15:33.22jellydmseg: ##windows is that way -->
15:33.31hoxuleft already
15:33.36dmsegno just wanted to copy paste
15:33.48ggilol
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15:35.03wols_dmseg has been here once or twice befor last few days
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15:35.56alperbabai want some programs to be started automatically when the debian started how can i do this?
15:36.05valdynalperbaba: which program?
15:36.18alperbabavaldyn: yakuake
15:36.30valdynalperbaba: which desktop environment are you using?
15:36.38alperbabavaldyn: gnome
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15:36.52Jemtalperbaba: Desktop > Preferences > Sessions
15:36.56valdynalperbaba: run "gnome-session-properties"
15:36.57JemtSomething like that
15:37.09valdynalperbaba: what Jemt sais starts the same program
15:38.12valdynalperbaba: your question would have been correctly "i want a program to be run automatically when i log into X"
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15:38.39alperbabavaldyn: i see thanks
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15:39.48WandererI need to install the version of spamasssassin for sarge from backports that is more current
15:40.05WandererI tried putting this in my source.list: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
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15:40.24Wandererapparantly that isn't valid though, isn't it sarge-backports, or do I need "sid-backports" ?
15:40.39valdynWanderer: does kernel.org even have the backports?
15:41.26Wandererthought it did, I haven't messed with backports before though
15:41.32hoxu!tell Wanderer about bpo
15:41.34wols_Wanderer: why sarge?
15:42.01wols_Wanderer: for starters you need to upgrade to etch and then use either etch-volatile or etch-backports
15:42.04wols_there are no sid backports
15:42.05hoxuWanderer, sarge isn't supported anymore, you should upgrade if possible
15:42.27Wandererthe server is sarge, it's production and can't be upgraded
15:42.35wols_Wanderer: that's no excuse
15:42.37wols_!sarge
15:42.37dpkgTen-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008.  Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  See also <oldstable>.
15:42.47valdynWanderer: so you have a team that continues sarge maintenance?
15:43.01alperbabai want to ask that is there any app for gnome like yakuake in kde
15:43.10Wandererno, I have an app server that can't be upgraded, to be replaced next year
15:43.12wols_Wanderer: if you don't upgrade and get exploited by an unfixed security issue, who will be blamed?
15:43.21valdynalperbaba: doubt it
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15:45.42Wandererwols: the server is behind a very paranoid firewall and only accessable via vpn
15:45.42Wandereronly 2 admins have access locally, it only runs mail
15:45.42wols_so why does it run SA?
15:45.43wols_makes no sense.
15:45.54Wandererit's a dedicated mail server, no other services or access
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15:46.00Wanderermakes perfect sense
15:46.09wols_yes. that means stuff gets in. means the firewall is worth shit
15:46.27wols_it's an exposed to the internet host
15:46.46themillWanderer: "I have a server that can't be upgraded" and "I must have the newest spamassasin" are mutually incompatible requests. It's either upgradable or it's not.
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15:47.28valdynim sure he has a reason why he needs a newer sa
15:47.39Wandererone components needs an update to manage spam assassin updates
15:47.46wols_sure: old SA has bad tag rates
15:47.51Wandererpostgress, etc needs to be left alont at this time
15:48.09themillWanderer: what MTA is exposed to the network in this setup?
15:48.15wols_Wanderer: well ther exists no totally bloody edge SA for sarge. can't be
15:48.17valdynWanderer: just use the stuff from backports.org for sarge if its new enough
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15:48.26wols_bpo is your best choice
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15:48.33valdynWanderer: thats sarge-backports, nothing else
15:48.38SlayerXPWanderer: purchase the services of a commercial spam filter.  I can recommend  http://antibodymx.net/
15:48.49Wanderervoldyn: it should be, that's what I'm looking for
15:49.00valdyn!tab completion
15:49.01dpkgHit <tab> to complete the nick ( on irc ), the program- or filename ( in bash ) or various program parameters ( in bash with tab-completion scripts enabled )
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15:50.38jellyWanderer: you might have to do a backport yourself if what's available in sarge-backports isn't fresh enough for your needs
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15:51.12Wandererok, is "sarge-backports" backports to sarge from newer releases, or backports from sarge to older releases?
15:51.21valdynWanderer: to sarge
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15:51.29Wandererk, thanks
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15:53.10themillWanderer: and make sure you keep up with your own security fixes for the MTA, spamassassin, etc because you won't get them from Debian
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15:53.29Wandererright
15:53.50WandererI'm trying to get the resources/time allocated, but it just looks like mid-next year will be it
15:54.08Wandererthe only reason this is getting done is because the CEO complained about spam
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15:55.01themillWanderer: the time it will take you to keep up with these things yourself could easily be invested in building a new etch box. For a box that's an MTA only, it's a pretty small job. Probably less than recompiling $MTA a couple of times or trying to backport security patches to it.
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15:55.28Wandereryou haven't seen the customizations written into our mta to process trouble tickets, etc
15:55.33chopsthemill: I've heard this situation referred to, "if only we'd had more time, we could have done this a lot faster"
15:55.33Wandererit's not just a mail server only
15:55.53themillWanderer: [16:45] <Wanderer> it's a dedicated mail server, no other services or access
15:56.13Wandererok, it's not a traditional mail server that just sends and receives mail, nothing else
15:56.24wols_themill: he contradicted himself before. so what's new?
15:56.31SlayerXPWanderer: then purchase the services of a commercial spam filter.  I can recommend  http://antibodymx.net/   :)
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15:56.38abrotmanSlayerXP: stop spamming
15:56.49ampex2Wanderer: postini is your friend
15:56.50SlayerXPabrotman: ironic isn't it, really.
15:56.55Wandererwhen customers mail us, we have scripts that do look ups to make sure their valid then open tickets on the ticketing system, some auto replies, etc
15:57.09abrotmanSlayerXP: you posted the same URL twice in five minutes .. he ignored you the first time
15:57.21wols_Wanderer: clone the hdd of the mailserver, upgrade it to etch and make sure it all works.d one
15:57.27wols_you can keep your custom stuff
15:57.34Wandererok, so instead of just upgradding spam assassin to shut up my ceo, I should spend a day rebuilding the server and then all the scripts it uses
15:57.37Wandereryeah, so much faster
15:57.38wols_only if you reocmpiled programs themselves you have to do more work
15:57.40themillWanderer: custom hooks like that should all be implemented through config files that should be portable to another machine. (At least that's how I'd do it if I wanted to make my life easy)
15:57.42SlayerXPabrotman: there was humorous intent there, you evidently missed it, as did, well everyone else.
15:57.52Wanderer"should be portable"
15:57.54abrotmanSlayerXP: it's because you're german
15:57.56abrotmanhides
15:57.58Wandereryeah, tell my predecessor
15:58.05Wandererthere's a reason he's not with the company any more
15:58.05SlayerXPabrotman: I'm a Brit.
15:58.11abrotmanit was a joke .. you missed it
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15:58.18wols_Wanderer: you can also spend a few hours every month checking secuirty fixed and backporting them. over time the upgrade is less work I'm sure
15:58.20defryskits cos hes a brit
15:58.21SlayerXPc'est la vie
15:58.21themillWanderer: It's not just upgrading spamasssassin, you also have to do all your own security support now for that box.
15:58.23ampex2Wanderer: http://mailstats.circuitvps.com/ - Feb is when we started using postini
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15:59.01abrotmanampex2: hey .. there might be a coincidence there
15:59.51ampex2Wanderer: google charges $3/user/year, can't beat that
16:00.02dutchfishi want to verify, does dhcbd already implementent all message-handlers in latest debian lenny yet? i have some funny errors about it
16:00.27ampex2Wanderer: and I had a rather fine tuned spamassassin/dcc/pyzor setup on etch beforehand, postini blows it away
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16:01.43ampex2Wanderer: http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html
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16:02.09Wandererguys, it's not an option, period
16:02.18dutchfishpleas ehave a look at this: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3bf3ac0e
16:02.29Wandererif I try to rebuild it I will be looking for a new job for wasting time when there are more important projects
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16:02.45wols_Wanderer: then I guess you better pray
16:02.47Wandererother than the spam, there is no reason to change anything since it's not broken according to superiors
16:02.50Wandererperiod
16:02.53Wandererso say the guys who pay me
16:02.59ampex2Wanderer: when you have customized your mat then upgrading one of the components IS rebuilding it
16:03.09WandererWHEN it breaks or WHEN it's compromised I can do the "I TOLD YOU!!!" but until then, they don't care
16:03.10ampex2Wanderer: s/mat/mta
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16:03.32ampex2Wanderer: I suggest you start looking for a new job in advance, I wouldn't want to work under those conditions
16:03.53WandererI like the work, I like the job, just the prioritization is an issue
16:03.55wols_cause dollars to donuts those same superiors will blame you when it happens
16:04.16larcozwhere can i see what kernels are avaible as pkgs in testing/unstable ?
16:04.18WandererI have it in writing, and so does HR
16:04.22Wandereremails+printer
16:04.31Wandererthe fun part, is there is no plugin replacement
16:04.41dutchfishlarcoz, aptitude search linux-image
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16:06.15defryskor apt-cache search foo
16:06.35defryskif you have the repos set up
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16:08.02dutchfishplease someone have a look at line 8 : http://debian.pastebin.com/d3bf3ac0e
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16:08.54tylereIs there any known fix for the php5 + postgres segfault issue? A google search turns up tons of bug reports, no fixes
16:10.04tylerezend_mm_heap corrupted
16:10.11tylerethat's the actual error that shows up in the log
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16:10.21dutchfishtylere, i simply switched back to php4, but thats not very helpfull i know
16:10.34tyleredutchfish: No, it's not.
16:10.46tylerebecause I need this to run roundcube, which doesn't support php4 any more
16:11.09dutchfishtylere, there are too many bugs in php5 curently > 40 most of them security related
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16:11.44wols_dutchfish: upstream or debian problem?
16:11.51dutchfishwols_, upstream
16:11.55wols_figures
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16:12.08dutchfishwols_, its becoming a real mess
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16:13.13tyleredutchfish: It's really sad how the PHP has dropped the ball. It went from being a useable language for quick stuff, to this massive hairball.
16:13.47dutchfishtylere, yep, delve into ruby are back to the good-ol-cgi days
16:13.48Dewitylere: it was ever... not awful?
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16:14.03kuerAMD64 (x86-64) will work just fine with Intel Core2 Quad processors, right?
16:14.08abrotmanyes
16:14.11Dewitylere: it had all those crazy defaults back in the old days
16:14.12tyleredewi: No, not really. But compact awful > blaoted awful
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16:14.14kuerThank you.
16:14.51tyleredutchfish: Heh. I all my current work is in rails ;) Good for the sanity
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16:15.17dutchfishtylere, php4 is the only thing (with my own patches) that makes it work, kind off
16:15.34dutchfishtylere, php5 is (forme) a nono
16:15.59tyleredutchfish: yea, this is my first attempt at php5. Just because rc requires it
16:15.59Yasuohi; how do i install a 2nd vsftpd when proftpd is already installed? apt wants to remove proftpd and compiling wont work because of an "make" error
16:16.10Dewidutchfish: now that php4 is unsupported do you expect it to stay secure for very long?
16:16.17dutchfishtylere, ouch .. dont burn yourself (security wise)
16:16.22Dewi(unsupported by upstream, I mean)
16:16.37kienerii_how can i unpack a rar archiv with .r00 .r01 ... files?
16:16.42dutchfishDewi, no idee to be frankly
16:16.43Dewikienerii_: unrar x
16:16.44abrotmanYasuo: why do you need two different ftp daemons ?
16:16.45tyleredutchfish: Well, for now I don't have *any* PHP activated on the server
16:16.50Dewikienerii_: it just... follows the chain automatically
16:16.59dutchfishtylere, then you cna praise the lord
16:17.05Dewikienerii_: rar comes before r00
16:17.11Dewi(usually)
16:17.24tyleredutchfish: heh. I'm not doing serious production, obviously. Just mail and a few basic rails apps on a vps
16:17.26kienerii_unrar? i only can find unrar-free package..
16:17.31Yasuoabrotman, oen standard and the other with ssl etc. i have my reasons. when they use different ports it should be no problem normally
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16:17.43Dewikienerii_: unrar is non-free
16:17.57Dewikienerii_: if you don't have non-free sources you would need to add them to apt to get unrar
16:18.04abrotmanYasuo: you could get the source pacakge for vsftpd .. and alter the conflicts and rebuild the pacakge
16:18.05Dewi!tell kienerii_ about non-free
16:18.12kienerii_Dewi, i know! thanks!
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16:18.22Yasuokienerii_, ln -s foo.rar foo.r01 ?
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16:18.39Dewipeers at Yasuo suspiciously.
16:18.58dutchfishtylere, another option is to make it work with perl (postgre) and use those parts in php4, thats how i done it so far for those things php4 is missing
16:19.11InfiniteEHello guys, I am having trouble getting VPN to work on my debian machine, anyone care to help?  I've read a good amount on the TUN/TAP stuff, but nothing seems to be getting me any closer to a solution.
16:19.15YasuoDewi, i didnt even ask about the other ability of vsftpd :P
16:19.32Yasuoabrotman, i want to but a get an error
16:19.34wols_InfiniteE: maybe tell us which of the many vpn solutions
16:19.44InfiniteEOpenVPN
16:19.51Yasuoabrotman, in a forum i read it is an gcc error
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16:19.57kienerii_Dewi, thanks, i got it
16:20.02abrotman!source
16:20.02dpkgTo work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work.  Ask me about <deb-src>.
16:20.04Dewidutchfish / tylere : or just move entirely to perl. It feels wrong to say it, but I have a lot more respect for perl...
16:20.09InfiniteEI get something like this: Thu Jun 19 08:06:38 2008 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: Permission denied (errno=13)
16:20.16tyleredewi: ewwwww
16:20.20InfiniteEwhen running as root
16:20.21dutchfishDewi, if you have the stamina to do it, yup
16:20.26tyleredewi: python or ruby, mainly, but perl??
16:20.32Dewitylere: probably better to just use a real web language
16:20.46Dewitylere: or java or even c#
16:20.49Yasuoabrotman, in a forum i read it is an gcc error <<<< http://nopaste.biz/44481
16:21.00tyleredewi: Perhaps youmissed the bit where I'm trying to get an existing open soruce webapp to work?
16:21.00abrotmanYasuo: so use the Debian source package
16:21.03my007msapt-file search tclkit say nothing
16:21.05Yasuohmm k
16:21.10abrotmangoes to lunch
16:21.24my007mswhich dpkg i have to  install to get tclkit
16:21.30Dewitylere: oh god. You're getting bugs like that on a *deployment*?
16:21.47Dewitylere: I guess I've seen similar. Ugh.
16:21.55InfiniteEany ideas?
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16:22.22Dewitylere: not similar enough to be of help, mind you. Just strange bugs that should not have been popping up on popular, well-tested code
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16:23.13InfiniteEwols_: Have anything that might be of help?
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16:23.52wols_InfiniteE: debian openvpn packages work fine for me
16:24.06wols_and you start it all with /etc/init.d/openvpn start
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16:24.14dryrotwhy are there new openssl-blacklist packages every few weeks ?
16:24.25Ward1983if i download the first DVD i can just use it to completeinstall debian right? just to make sure
16:24.37Ward1983completely i mean
16:24.42enouf!cd contents
16:24.42dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
16:24.54Dewidryrot: there are?
16:24.54dryrotInfiniteE: are you running openvpn in routed or bridged mode ?
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16:25.05Ward1983enouf, so in short thats a yes?
16:25.06enoufWard1983: dvd 1 is more than enough for most
16:25.14dryrotoops sorry, i forgot i am running ubuntu on my laptop, not debian
16:25.16InfiniteEI am trying to connect to a vnp network not start a server
16:25.19Ward1983enouf, ah ok, i can doznload the rest so... ;)
16:25.25enoufWard1983: 'completely' means?
16:25.30Dewidryrot: could you have missed them previously by doing an 'upgrade' instead of a 'dist-upgrade' ?
16:25.35D3b|4ni need acl for block mac add in squid proxy
16:25.50dryrotDewi: what's the difference ?
16:25.56enoufWard1983: not ALL software will be on it, but 8GB+ wortg
16:26.02DewiWard1983: you can do a base install from the netinst which is under 200MiB
16:26.11dryrotInfiniteE: what user are you running openvpn as ?
16:26.15DewiWard1983: the rest depends on how much stuff you want
16:26.24InfiniteEdryrot: testing as root
16:26.27Yasuoabrotman, i get the same error message :(
16:26.35InfiniteE'cause of the perm denied issues
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16:26.48Dewidryrot: dist-upgrade is better for "big upgrades", like going from one release to another
16:26.54Dewidryrot: but unfortunately I don't know the details
16:26.57InfiniteEThu Jun 19 16:25:54 2008 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: Permission denied (errno=13)
16:27.04InfiniteEThu Jun 19 16:25:54 2008 Cannot allocate TUN/TAP dev dynamically
16:27.07InfiniteENot sure why?
16:27.11Dewidryrot: but I *do* know that dist-upgrade was necessary to pick up the blacklists on the first pass.
16:27.33enouf!dist-upgrade
16:27.33Dewidryrot: at least... I hope I'm remembering that correctly
16:27.33dpkgdist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade>
16:27.40Yasuoabrotman, ok works now thx
16:27.47Dewienouf: oh, much more concise. thanks
16:28.02enoufnp ;-)
16:28.04D3b|4ni need acl for block mac add in squid proxy need u help
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16:28.50dryrotInfiniteE: figuring out what is wrong with your openvpn client configuration can be very annoying.  there is a #openvpn channel.  are you running openvpn client in routed or bridged mode ?
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16:29.15dryrotInfiniteE: look for the line 'dev' in your .ovpn file
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16:29.42InfiniteEdryrot: I see 'dev tun'
16:30.41sfantarI try to install the spplus package, during the "autoconf" command, I get this error : http://pastebin.com/m4789eedc ; what to do ?
16:30.52InfiniteEI am trying to get this machine to connect to a server I have at work to be part of my VPN there, I am not sure what mode you would consider that?  Probably bridged?
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16:32.01dutchfishInfiniteE, did you setup your tun/tap in bridge mode or routed?
16:32.07dryrotInfiniteE: could be bridged or routed.  bridged is probably more annoying to set up on the server side.  I think you should put in pastebin the output of 'openvpn --verb 9 --config yourvpnconfigfilehere.ovpn'
16:33.02InfiniteEdryrot: are you in #flood?
16:33.10dryrotno, should i be?
16:33.26dryroti am now
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16:44.05larcozare there major funtionality changes between i386 and amd64 (except the 64bit)
16:44.22zinxwhat sort of functionality?
16:44.29zinxnothing an end user would notice, if that's what you're asking
16:44.31HardDisk_WPhow do I set up /etc/init.d/ipv6gate so that it is the last thing started on powerup and the first one to be stopped?
16:45.05HardDisk_WPand how do I find out the current run level?
16:45.13wols_HardDisk_WP: runlevel
16:45.21wols_!tell HardDisk_WP about sysvinit
16:45.43HardDisk_WPN 2
16:45.45HardDisk_WPthanks
16:45.50HardDisk_WPwhat about the init.d stuff?
16:45.57wols_dpkg just told you
16:45.57dpkgwols_: i don't know
16:46.04wols_dpkg: liar
16:46.04dpkgwell, liar is me
16:46.17larcozzinx: like software unavaible on one or other...
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16:46.32wols_larcoz: yes there are
16:46.32macoutethat bot is talking a bit much to my taste :)
16:46.34HardDisk_WPah k
16:46.39HardDisk_WPwols_, thx
16:46.44zinxlarcoz: i believe flash is still not available on amd64
16:46.50wols_!smite macoute
16:46.51dpkgsmites macoute with a plague of frogs
16:47.01macoutezinx: it is
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16:47.26wols_macoute: not on etch
16:47.48macoutewols_: on debian-multimedia at least
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16:48.18larcozany site where i can see some stats about the pkgs avaible on amd64/i386 ?
16:48.20macoutei have an amd64 etch box with that one and only unofficial repository and i do have flash working on my box :)
16:48.28macoutelarcoz: packages.debian.org? :)
16:48.36SeveredCrosslarcoz: packages.....oh poo.
16:48.39wols_macoute: nspluginwrapper?
16:48.54macoutewols_: p   flashplayer-mozilla             - Macromedia Flash Player
16:49.04macouteit is working now on amd64
16:49.16wols_macoute: it's not. there is no 64bit version of it
16:49.22dutchfishzinx, just got flash working in amd64 lenny ;)
16:49.40zinxoh, it's working here too, but i'm pretty sure i didn't use debian packages to do it :P
16:49.50macoutei did :)
16:49.53dutchfishzinx, cor. yes
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16:50.15dutchfishzinx, deb packages for me
16:50.16DexterFhi
16:50.22dryrotso im dumb.  i have openvpn bridged working.  br0 is successfully bridged to eth0 . now i want to run virtualbox on the same server, with bridging.  is that stupid?
16:50.24zinxer, rather, it was working before Debian upgraded to 3.0 in sid and thusly started requiring ~/ to have mmap support
16:50.27wols_dutchfish: nspluginwrapper?
16:50.36dutchfishwols_, no hol don
16:50.56macoutewols_: there is a amd64-version of flash
16:50.58macoutebelieve me
16:51.17zinxthere is nspluginwrapper
16:51.28zinxthe Debian flash package in amd64 depends on it.
16:51.40larcozanyway for an usual user that uses debian since 2000... with a AMD Athlon 64 X2 proc... would be better to use i386 or amd64 ?
16:51.51zinxthere is no amd64 version of flash, afaik.. only a wrapper to be able to use 32-bit plugins on 64-bit systems.
16:51.56dutchfishwols_, i used swfdec-mozilla
16:52.14macoutezinx: ah you are right
16:52.15wols_macoute: The Adobe Flash Player team is working on support for 64-bit platforms as part of our ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Adobe Flash Player. We have not yet announced timing or release dates.
16:52.18zinxthe alternative flash players are really bad currently
16:52.32macoutebut the end-user wont notice the difference
16:52.32wols_macoute: so if you have a flashplayer, you better tell adobe about it. I'm sure they like to hear it
16:52.47zinxwols_: tbh they'd probably sue him
16:52.53wols_that too
16:53.04wols_macoute: so forgive me when I don't believe you
16:53.19wols_larcoz: how much RAM? desktop or server?
16:53.21heloanyone know if linksys wireless-g usb transmitter model wusb54gs works in etch?
16:53.25wols_larcoz: usually, if people have to ask: i386
16:53.42wols_helo: find out the chip it uses and we will tell you
16:54.01Yasuo"apt-get -d install foo1" say it will remove foo2 bar2 etc. - will it really or not?
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16:54.12wols_if it says so, it will
16:54.13Yasuoi just wanna download the package
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16:54.17larcozwols_: my desktop, 2GB ram .. will change hdd to have a total of 530GB and i want to re-install the OS
16:54.21wols_Yasuo: pdo and download
16:54.27Yasuopdo?
16:54.33wols_you can't have 530GB of RAM
16:54.36wols_!tell Yasuo about pdo
16:54.41macoutewols_: well, there still is the flash for amd64 debian working with only one (meta)-package needed
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16:54.56Dewilarcoz: well, witness the lack of flash
16:54.59macoutewols_: so to the original question, there is no real difference between x64 and amd64
16:55.12wols_macoute: and I asked you time and agaiN: nspluginwrapper or not. and nspluginwrapper is not in etch
16:55.14macoutebut you were right, i got misleaded with the ease of its install :)
16:55.18Dewilarcoz: stuff like that is still problematic (Although i386 flash can be coaxed into working in 64)
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16:55.30Yasuocant you just tell apt to download the package?
16:55.40Dewilarcoz: so I'd stick with i386 unless you need every last drop of performance, and you have time to make sure everything is working
16:55.50larcozwols_: i said i will change my hdd to 530GB... (3hdds).... not ram
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16:56.16themillwols_: nspluginwrapper is in etch-backports
16:56.21F00JINhi!
16:56.26wols_I did not ask about hdd. I only ask about RAM. and at 2GB desktop you need good reasons to use amd64
16:56.27macoutethats true
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16:56.51macoutewols_: whats wrong with amd64?
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16:57.04DexterFhow do I conf xorg to use two monitors? dpkg-reconf wrote one for one single display
16:57.13dutchfishwols_, what about exactly having 4G ?
16:57.14wols_macoute: reread
16:57.15Dewimacoute: there's no flash?
16:57.16larcozwols_: what do you mean good reasons ?
16:57.19the_sniffanyone here know of some psybnc bug on debian?
16:57.23the_sniffit keeps getting stuck
16:57.33macouteDewi: there is no flash in debian at all, is there? :)
16:57.35wols_larcoz: certain programs can benefit from 64bit more than others
16:57.36larcozDewi: fair point of view...
16:57.49macoutebut you can run flash on amd64, just as you can run flash on debian x86
16:57.51Dewimacoute: well, yes, there is, when you install the i386 version
16:57.51wols_e.g your browser won't. but a SSL webserver or a video encoder can
16:57.56F00JINcould you help me, i have a problem with my wifi card
16:58.08wols_!tell DexterF about dualhead
16:58.13macouteDewi: eh, did adobe gpl'd it?
16:58.14DexterFmacoute: install manually or get the deb from backports.org
16:58.21kuerI myself will use amd64 simply to have all of my RAM (4GB) in the system.
16:58.31wols_macoute: no. they released specs which the devs of Free flash clones say don't matter
16:58.32Dewimacoute: huh?
16:58.45macouteDewi: afaik debian doesnt contain any non-free software
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16:58.52the_sniff!psybnc
16:58.52dpkghmm... psybnc is One of the most popular IRC bouncers, http://www.psybnc.at/, or at http://sourceforge.net/projects/psybnc/ if the former URL is dead
16:58.56wols_dutchfish: yes depending on hardware, 3-4GB is the tipping point for RAM
16:58.57Dewimacoute: no, but my debian system does if I install some
16:59.03the_sniff!psybnc bug
16:59.03Dewimacoute: why are you discussing this... with yourself?
16:59.05larcozerrr. and what is non-free for :)
16:59.16wols_!tell larcoz about non-free
16:59.19macouteDewi: yeah, so you can install debian on x86 and you can install it on amd64
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16:59.24macouteso whats the difference?
16:59.45Dewimacoute: I assume you mean flash, and the answer is, a big ugly compatibility wrapper
16:59.48macoutethere is nspluginwrapper on backports and flashplugin-nonfree for amd64
16:59.48F00JINIt seems that my problem come from my kernel version
16:59.48wols_addressable RAM, amount of GP registers, etc
17:00.02wols_fosco: what wlan chip?
17:00.06macouteDewi: so there is a good version of flash somewhere available? :D
17:00.15Dewimacoute: only according to you
17:00.17dutchfishwols_, 2nd, i think to amd64 flavor has mauch cleaner code too, i admit its not ready yet, but the tipping point on lenny has been past
17:00.19F00JINI was looking for a command to upgrade my kernel version
17:00.26F00JINbut without success
17:00.28F00JIN:(
17:00.29macouteDewi: when did i say that?
17:00.36wols_dutchfish: cleaner code? it's the same code!
17:00.40DexterFwols_: that howto refers to commands from XFree86
17:00.46DexterFstill valid?
17:00.51wols_foobar8: apt-get like any other
17:00.53wols_DexterF: yes
17:01.00Dewi02:50:56  < macoute> wols_: there is a amd64-version of flash
17:01.00Dewi02:50:58  < macoute> believe me
17:01.11Dewimacoute: a few minutes ago...
17:01.16macoutemy point: you can install flash (of see youtube+others) on amd64 and you can do it on x86. you do not need to do anything special on amd64 which you do not do on x86
17:01.19themillmacoute: [17:57] <macoute> but you can run flash on amd64, just as you can run flash on debian x86
17:01.24Dewimacoute: yes, you DO
17:01.28macouteDewi: yeah, that i admitted that im was wrong
17:01.34Dewimacoute: you need a big fat wrapper which is NOT IN DEBIAN YET
17:01.41wols_macoute: you are wrong. nspluginwrapper is special
17:01.45macouteDewi: FLASH IS NOT IN DEBIAN?
17:02.02Dewioh my god... does your memory go back more than a few seconds?
17:02.02themilldpkg: tell macoute about adobe flash
17:02.02wols_macoute: and it never will be being non-free....
17:02.03macoutewe are talking about user experience here afaik
17:02.15Dewimacoute: yeah, so am I . the freaking wrapper is not in debian etch
17:02.24Dewimacoute: I'd call that a user experience hurdle
17:02.29abrotman!nswrapperplugin
17:02.33abrotmanbah
17:02.38macouteDewi: is flash in debian etch somewhere?
17:02.39abrotman!nspluginwrapper
17:02.39dpkgwell, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages.
17:02.57Dewimacoute: one that, in my opinion, is not worth bothering with because 64-bit does not offer enough benefits
17:03.06Dewimacoute: there have also been problems with java and a hundred other things
17:03.08macoutedpkg: !tell themills that he shouldnt put any bot msging people :)
17:03.08dpkgmacoute: are you using Windows?
17:03.18abrotmanhehe
17:03.19wols_dpkg: probably
17:03.19dpkgprobably is probably no and no is yes
17:03.26themill!win dpkg
17:03.26dpkgCongratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
17:03.28Dewimacoute: and this is the *desktop* we're talking about
17:03.55themillmacoute: start making sense and start writing coherent sentences then.
17:03.59Dewinot some server where I have illusions of having source for everything
17:04.06macouteDewi: so you have only problems in some programs that are not debian at all on amd64?
17:04.07dutchfish!bear themill
17:04.07dpkgwatches a angry teddybear hump themill
17:04.19themill:(
17:04.20Dewimacoute: java IS in debian
17:04.28dutchfishoops, somebody changed thta one
17:04.40themilldutchfish: s/bear/beer/ ?
17:04.41Dewimacoute: I don't know if the problems persist now, though
17:04.47dutchfishit was different last week, sorry themill
17:04.48Dewimacoute: I'm sure you can find amd64 bugs if you look for them
17:04.54dutchfishthemill, no, i meant bear
17:04.55Dewimacoute: they are mentioned in here all the time
17:05.05Dewimacoute: like... now. for the last 20 minutes
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17:05.23themilldutchfish: much randomness: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=CMD:%20bear%20(.*?)
17:05.32macouteDewi: the free versions of java work on amd64 just as well as they work on x86
17:06.23dutchfishthemill, ic, didnt know that ... thank you
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17:06.23Dewimacoute: amd64 isn't worth even being drawn into this ridiculous conversaion
17:06.23dutchfish!coffee themill
17:06.23dpkgdecants a fine mud of Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of dutchfish
17:06.23\amethystmacoute:  even the browser plugins?
17:06.23Dewimacoute: "free versions"?
17:06.23themillmacoute: the free versions of flash work just as well on amd64 as i386 -- what's your point?
17:06.23wols_macoute: unfortunately they don't work with the java applets out there. too bad
17:06.23\amethystoh, free versions
17:06.23Dewiwols_: that's the one, the plugin. thank you
17:06.23\amethystnm
17:06.24wols_macoute: there is no Free certified java yet. maybe when Sun finally GPLs it all but not yet
17:06.28Dewimacoute: there's only one java, from sun
17:06.34Dewimacoute: and the plugin doesn't work in 64bit
17:06.36macoutemy point is that debian amd64 is working just as well as x86
17:06.42wols_Dewi: no there are several actually
17:06.45Dewimacoute: except it isn't, you're an idiot
17:06.45dutchfishwols_, so used swfdec-mozilla is through wrapper on amd64 lenny?
17:06.47macouteDewi: then java is not in debian
17:06.49wols_IBM has one, etc
17:06.53macouteif there is only one java
17:06.54Dewimacoute: but java IS in debian
17:06.57Dewimacoute: what is wrong with you?
17:07.01\amethystDewi:  err, no it's not
17:07.06Dewi\amethyst: it's... not?
17:07.09HardDisk_WPwols_, in rc2.d, the S99* get executed as last, right?
17:07.10macouteDewi: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/sun-java5
17:07.15wols_dutchfish: no swfdec is a free flash version but no Free flash version implements full flash support yet. very much in develop,emt
17:07.16macouteits in non-free
17:07.18themillDewi: sun-java is in non-free if that's what you mean
17:07.20wols_HardDisk_WP: yes
17:07.21\amethystDewi:  did you miss the 'non-free' part?
17:07.32abrotmantechnically .. java is not *in* debian because non-free is not technically *in* debian .. don't ask ..
17:07.35dutchfishwols_, ok, it just worked (my pure luck i gues)
17:07.40abrotmanrather .. sun java is not in debian
17:07.41HardDisk_WPwols_, excellent </mr.burns>^^
17:07.41macouteDewi: whats wrong with you?
17:07.43Dewiam I alone in considering non-free part of debian etch?
17:07.43wols_macoute: non-free is not debian, and the plugin for sun-java does not exist for 64bit. nspluginwrapper again
17:07.44HardDisk_WPthank yer
17:07.50abrotmanmacoute: stop being mean to people trying to help you
17:08.01macouteabrotman: nobody is trying to help me here
17:08.08wols_abrotman: he should stop being clueless
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17:08.15macouteyou are being mean to me :)
17:08.16abrotmanDewi: there is more than one java implementation .. some are in main
17:08.19\amethystDewi:  maybe not alone, but it is in disagreement with the Debian project
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17:08.30themillsuspects this has gone on long enough and should either move to #debian-offtopic or just plain stop
17:08.52macoutemy point is that debian (as stated http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-dfsg) is as good on amd64 as it is on x86. some non-free software is not working perfectly, that is true
17:08.59Dewiyeah well, I think my point is proven anyway. If you think i386 is effortless in debian, see the last 30 minutes of pointless bullshit
17:09.02Dewiokay?
17:09.03Dewicase closed
17:09.08Dewiargh, amd64 I mean
17:09.11Dewiheh
17:09.37macoutemy point is proven too, so i think we can end here :)
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17:09.53abrotmanso you've all proved you're all wrong? :)
17:10.05macouteabrotman: 20:08 < macoute> my point is that debian (as stated http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-dfsg) is as good on amd64 as it is on x86. some non-free software is not working perfectly, that is true
17:10.05kunwonI think they proved that their trolls
17:10.11kunwonthey're*
17:10.14\amethystCan I be wrong too?
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17:10.23wols_dpkg can never be wrong!
17:10.23dpkgno idea, wols_
17:10.33wols_you have to support me there dpkg!
17:10.40abrotmanmacoute: flash is non-free .. I believe the Debian Policy does not count non-free as part of Debian proper
17:11.01macouteabrotman: i believe that true
17:11.01\amethystabrotman:  I think that's what macoute was saying, too
17:11.07Dewiabrotman: yeah, which is why macoute is arguing nobody could ever possibly want to run any of the things people CONSTANTLY ask us about in here
17:11.09larcozyeah... conclusion about my question about amd64/i386... only us amd64 if u have too...
17:11.15larcozs/us/use
17:11.21themilllarcoz: yep
17:11.22Dewiabrotman: therefore there can be no problems with amd64, ever
17:11.31abrotmanhe corrects 'us' but not 'u' .. cute
17:11.32Dewiabrotman: except for the ones nearly everyone has
17:11.35abrotmanDewi: yay!
17:11.38\amethystwhat about on a server where you don't need a GUI web browser?
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17:11.47stonedwow I just found irssi for win32
17:11.51stonedfreaking awesome!
17:11.51Dewi\amethyst: we were talking specifically about desktops
17:11.54Dewinot servers
17:11.56\amethystoh, missed that
17:11.57DewiI run servers, personally
17:11.58larcozabrotman: what's wrong with 'u' ?
17:12.05themill!u
17:12.05dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
17:12.10Dewimy systems would probably run perfectly in amd64
17:12.13CalJohnlarcoz: amd64 isn't that much of a problem.  i've never had a problem, but then, I never use non-free software
17:12.19macoutewell, i don't know the rules here yet, but on ircnet we are not that keen on helping ppl installing 3rd party non-free software at all
17:12.26dutchfishwell, maybe this one: i use alot of kvm/qemu, xen testing ... i prefer amd64 by far, ever had a good look at latencytop? well just do that
17:12.34Dewibut I don't go around recommending it to people because I'm not a negligent arrogant dickhead
17:12.41Dewiwho likes to impose stupid ideals on other people
17:12.42themillDewi, macoute: please move this elsewhere... I don't think you even know what you are arguing about any more  and I think the rest of us are bored.
17:12.48Dewieven when they might not apply
17:12.49larcozomg... linux ppl talking about shourtcuts :(
17:13.00macoutethemill: so i cant say anything anymore?
17:13.01themillDewi: and don't degenerate into name calling. You've lost it at that point.
17:13.07themillmacoute: please don't.
17:13.13macoute<PROTECTED>
17:13.19larcozwonder why don't we have /binary /mount /users...
17:13.27abrotmandoesn't see what the actual problem is .. or what macoute actually needs help with
17:13.40Dewimacoute: well I'd rather just help people, instead of telling them they should never use anything non-free ever or die
17:14.04themillDewi, macoute: ===> #debian-offtopic.
17:14.05Dewilast time I checked linuxes were riddled with non-free anyway
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17:14.16macouteDewi: ok. you keep doing that.
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17:14.54macoutei do that too, but no on #debian@ircnet, but maybe thats just me being a freak
17:14.54stonedhm
17:14.57stoned!ping
17:14.57dpkgpong
17:14.59stonedok
17:15.09abrotmanmacoute: do you ahve a support question or not?
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17:15.48macouteabrotman: as i stated before, no
17:15.51macouteabrotman: do you?
17:15.59abrotmani doubt you could help me
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17:16.02larcozabrotman: the conversation started on my question 30 mins ago... and become a flash/jave non-free flame
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17:16.36Dewiabrotman: no, he's telling other people asking for help, that choosing amd64 never ever causes a problem. I consider that kind of saboutage of non-free software to be very off-topic
17:16.53Dewiabrotman: I don't really see why my pointing out the possible disadvantages if off-topic
17:16.59Dewis/if/is/
17:17.01Dewibut anyway, I'm off
17:17.21wols_abrotman: we all know you are beyond help
17:17.27[PRO]SkyRyderstalker
17:17.31[PRO]SkyRyderi finaly got it working'
17:17.38[PRO]SkyRyderhes not here
17:17.39[PRO]SkyRyderis he
17:17.56[PRO]SkyRyderwrong room
17:17.57[PRO]SkyRyderlol
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17:19.01dutchfishwonders if einsteins prediction still will comes true, if we not even can work along in peace on a irc channel ;)
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17:19.32mmlj4dutchfish: try #slackware
17:20.09wols_dutchfish: you must be new here
17:20.09larcoztry any coding related channel... to see what flames are
17:20.25dutchfishwols_, haha ... not quiet
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17:21.40dutchfishwols_, apropos i am still looking to get the story back about #debian and the elders who where the founders of it, its just so nice story ....
17:21.52wols_!fable
17:21.52dpkghttp://wiki.debian.org/TheFable?
17:21.55dutchfishwols_, cant find it anymore
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17:22.12wols_points to all-knowing dpkg
17:22.16dutchfishwols_, yes! Thank you very much Sir!
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17:22.29wols_did you hear that folks? I'm a "Sir"! .P
17:23.25Dewidutchfish: peace needs the absence of extremists. I consider forcing a "free software only" mentality on other people to be extremism
17:23.28themillArise, Sir Wols_
17:23.43themillDewi: weren't you going? ...
17:24.01Dewithemill: I dunno, I've lost my timetable
17:24.12dutchfishDewi, should be a factoid ;)
17:24.22wols_themill: "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"
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17:26.04waltzhow do I restart ddclient?
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17:26.30wols_waltz: isn't there a /etc/init.d/ script for it?
17:26.47waltzah sorry
17:26.50waltzwasn't thinking
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17:27.10wols_if you use pppd i'd check out /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/
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17:33.14ggii know this is a tiny bit OT, but iptables can change the port of somethign if i use port = 1025 for source and port = 21 for dest, right? and doing a range of 1026-1100 for soure\dest wont change any ports, right?
17:33.24cuscohi...
17:33.28user____my question is solved i guess
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17:34.27Yasuohow do i compile truecrypt without gtk support? (dedi server)
17:34.42cuscoI have two network interfaces on two different networks... for some reason one is being used as the default one when I connect to internet...
17:35.04ggitis called metrics
17:35.17wols_cusco: only always needs to be default
17:35.34Yasuoah its in the readme XD
17:35.48cusconow on the other non-default network, I can reach the machine on the internal network (router) but ont on the internet...
17:35.55cusconot
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17:36.29wols_what is the IP you try to reach exactly?
17:36.38cuscolike, trying to reach apache on port 80... on the external IP won't get me no where
17:36.48cuscobut on the internal ip I can reach it
17:36.50cuscohold
17:36.50wols_did you port forward?
17:36.54cuscoyes
17:37.06cuscoit was working all right until I connect the new network card
17:37.12wols_then maybe your router blocks port80 incoming totally. some cheap routers do this
17:37.18cuscono
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17:37.26cuscoit was working fine just before
17:37.36wols_then maybe your port forward is now wrong since the internal IP changed
17:37.47cuscono the internal IP is the same
17:38.05cuscobut nameservers for them two networks are different
17:38.08cuscolike...
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17:38.20dutchfishwols_, cusco maybe arp tables need to be flushed (changed network card .... )
17:38.24setuidAnyone use fakeroot before?
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17:38.42wols_dutchfish: if he got a dhcp IP it shouldn't matter
17:38.48setuidWhen I call fakeroot from a script, it fails and halts the process (checkinstall), but when I do the same exact thing interactively as the same user, it works fine. Why?
17:39.20cuscowols_: no its not dhcp only the default is
17:39.23cuscothe other is static
17:39.46cuscoI mean, the default is the newest, the old (non-default) is a static
17:40.08wols_your NAT client has 2 NICs?
17:40.38cuscoif my NAT client is my debian box, then yes
17:40.46cuscoor..
17:41.08cusconot sure of what you mean by NAT client
17:41.35mmlj4not sure if he does either
17:42.12cuscowould you like to see both my /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf ?
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17:42.40Jyggadont get naughty in here cusco
17:42.56dutchfish:)
17:43.06dutchfish2357
17:43.20wols_the NAT client is the box behind the router
17:43.36wols_mmlj4: but you're free to take over, have fun
17:44.08cuscoJygga: how am I getting naughty ? :/
17:44.49dutchfishwell some people already think about sex when they hear ... want to see ...
17:45.14mmlj4does a box behind NAT even know it? i mean, sure technically, from one perspective, it is a client, but that box has no idea what kind of router it's talking to
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17:45.18dutchfishcusco, what switch do you have?
17:45.18cuscohttp://rafb.net/p/yvb8GO77.html
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17:45.52Jyggayeah sorry my gf just told me shes too busy this weekend ... distance relationships suck at times!
17:46.01Ward1983i want to setup 2 webservers which should be (and stay) identical, if the first one goes down the second one should take over, is that possible? if so: what to use/how to do it?
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17:46.05cuscodutchfish: I am accessing a netgear modem/router trough cable - static connection; and a thomson router trough wireless
17:46.12wols_!HA
17:46.12dpkg[ha] High Availability
17:46.21abrotmanhehe
17:46.29stoned++
17:46.31mmlj4Ward1983: some sort of failover, perhaps round-robin
17:46.33wols_dpkg: you need more useful info
17:46.33dpkgpulls more useful info out of wols_'s head.
17:46.37JyggaWard1983 put a loadbalancer in front of em
17:46.47stonedfantastic
17:46.50wols_hey! I have not enough as it is
17:46.57stonedexchange server is fucked, its all dpkg's fault
17:46.58Ward1983mmlj4, correct thats what we want to do, but i never did it before, any good info or howtos you know about?
17:47.03Jyggasquirt or sth
17:47.05abrotman!info heartbeat-2 etch
17:47.10Ward1983Jygga, no its just meant to be a backup
17:47.16mmlj4no, never had to do that yet, sorry
17:47.20abrotman!info pen etch
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17:47.36dpkgheartbeat-2: (Subsystem for High-Availability Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1330 kB, Installed size: 4504 kB
17:47.38Jyggawell ... there are numerous ways to solve that
17:47.51cuscoI can't also use curl to pull some page with my non-default network interface
17:48.16Ward1983Jygga, a backuop as in if the first server goes down the second one should come up
17:48.26dutchfishcusco, i know this sounds stupid, but did you try rebooting router/switch (many hold there arp caches far to long)
17:48.28abrotmanWard1983: heartbeat
17:48.42Jyggashould come up? not as in "is constantly running" ?
17:48.42Ward1983abrotman, thats software i suppose? :p thanx will google it
17:48.53Jyggado you need an sql mirror too?
17:48.54abrotmanWard1983: well .. if it were hardware .. you'd be asking in the wrong place wouldn't you ?
17:48.54Ward1983Jygga, it can be running, but the interface should stay down
17:48.55twobitworkwhat does debian use for hashing passwords?
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17:49.07soulchildHi all,... is there no firefox3 for debian
17:49.07Ward1983abrotman, lol
17:49.09cuscodutchfish: but other machines on the same router do just fine...
17:49.14soulchild(lenny)
17:49.16abrotmansoulchild: what did we tell you this AM ?
17:49.20dutchfishcusco, good enough
17:49.32soulchildsoulchild: read the factouid ?
17:50.29Ward1983abrotman, thats a distro :s is it also seperately installable on top of debian?
17:50.39abrotmanno it's not
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17:50.44abrotmanWard1983: apt-cache search heartbeat
17:50.59soulchildabrotman: i don't know, i didn't ask anything about firefox
17:51.00abrotmanwell .. it might be .. but that's not what i meant
17:51.05Ward1983abrotman, aha thanx, will first read some about it
17:51.11abrotmanmaybe it was yesterday
17:51.18dcnoyehow do i forcefully remove a package ?
17:51.24abrotmansoulchild: no .. not in lenny yet
17:51.25JyggaWard1983 i would go for a loadbalancer that priorizes your main server ... for a quick shot
17:51.28soulchildabrotman: that wasn't me,... i never asked about firefox3 in here
17:51.30abrotmandcnoye: you don't .. you fix the reason it won't remove
17:51.33wols_abrotman: he asked just after ffox availability was explained 5 min ago and still on screen
17:51.40soulchildabrotman: okay thanks
17:51.55abrotmansoulchild: for future reference .. packages.debian.org/iceweasel
17:51.56Ward1983abrotman, and to keep them identical?
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17:52.03Ward1983abrotman, considering mysql is involved
17:52.06dcnoyeabrotman: it won't remove be a folder disappeared somehow
17:52.06abrotmanWard1983: rsync is one method ?
17:52.12dcnoye*because
17:52.12abrotmandcnoye: remake the folder ?
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17:52.17dcnoyei did
17:52.18wols_abrotman: online replication with mysql?
17:52.26Ward1983abrotman, does that also work with a database somehow?
17:52.26dcnoyesame result
17:52.32wols_dcnoye: FULL output please
17:52.49dcnoyedzhandle postinst-product: product directory doesn't exist: `/usr/share/zope/Products/PageCacheManager'
17:52.49dcnoyedpkg: error processing zope-cachefu (--configure):
17:52.49dpkgThat isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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17:53.19dcnoyeE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
17:53.20dcnoyeA package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
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17:53.38wols_dcnoye: stop spamming in here
17:54.14cusco_sorry I haven't read last 3 minutes conversation if you told me anything
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17:54.26abrotmanWard1983: mysql has replication
17:54.32Ward1983dcnoye, http://debian.pastebin.com/
17:54.38dcnoyehttp://pastebin.com/d92a2ba8
17:54.45Ward1983abrotman, ah it has its own function for that?
17:55.09Ward1983abrotman, so Jygga 's idea might actually be better
17:55.14Yasuohow do i patch truecrypt to compile für amd64?
17:55.16Ward1983since if either one fails it just uses the other one
17:55.20setuidYasuo, I have that on my blog
17:55.27Ward1983and we have twice the capacity :D
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17:55.29Yasuourl? ^
17:55.30abrotmanWard1983: whatever you want to do
17:55.33setuidhttp://blog.gnu-designs.com/building-truecrypt-50a-on-linux
17:55.38Yasuothx
17:55.39abrotmanYasuo: ask them
17:55.42Ward1983abrotman, i think its easyer to load balance then
17:55.48abrotmanyou still have to sync them
17:55.53setuidYasuo, Lots of other truecrypt posts and patches on my blog I've written
17:56.04abrotmanfails to see how load balance fixes the HA/sync issue
17:56.09Ward1983abrotman, and use rsync and that mysql replica thing
17:56.14wols_abrotman: magic!
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17:56.31Yasuotreucrypt install have gotten kinda confusing theese days ^ and all for interoperability
17:56.47Ward1983abrotman, ah ok i was thinking it actually would send everything to the server thats up
17:56.53Ward1983abrotman, should one go down
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17:57.39dcnoyewhat should i do about the error, i've recreated the folder manually and i get the same results
17:57.39Ward1983wols_, not everyone is as experienced in every stuff... i bet you can't do live video stuff like me, but i wouldnt laugh with you if you said something silly about that
17:57.52abrotman!pal wols_
17:57.53dpkgpoints at wols_ and laughs
17:58.15Yasuosetuid, may you tell me the deeplink to the 64bit patch/howto please?
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17:58.20abrotmandcnoye: ls -ld /usr/share/zope/Products/PageCacheManager
17:58.32abrotmanYasuo: he already did
17:58.33Ward1983( wols_ no hard feelings offcourse )
17:58.39abrotmanof course
17:58.46Jyggai got some!
17:58.53abrotman(though better than dutchfish's "coarse" :)
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18:00.08dcnoyeabrotman: thanks
18:00.10dcnoyegot it
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18:00.46Yasuoabrotman, well theres an howto about normal install but not about 64bit ir i dont see it
18:00.59abrotmanYasuo: then wait for setuid to answer you
18:01.36setuidYasuo, What's the issue?
18:01.46abrotman!annoy setuid
18:01.52abrotman!irritate setuid
18:01.52dpkgsetuid: wenas how does I run teh edonkey U FUX0RZ
18:01.56abrotmanhehe
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18:02.06abrotmani haven't seen anything like that here for awhile
18:02.08setuidhmmm teh donkey!
18:02.19abrotmanWard1983: there's also an app called 'pen'
18:02.26Yasuosetuid, i dont find anything about 64bit patch on your blog ^
18:02.34setuidYasuo, What's the issue?
18:02.38Ward1983abrotman, also to solve HA ?
18:02.48abrotmanWard1983: for load balancing
18:02.59abrotmanWard1983: apt-cache show pen
18:03.10Yasuosetuid, as said, im looking for a patch füor truecrpt to get it compilen o *amd64*
18:03.19setuidYasuo, Again, WHAT IS THE ISSUE
18:03.20Ward1983abrotman, but load balancing wouldnt work?
18:03.28setuidYasuo, What problem are you having?
18:03.34Yasuo/usr/include/fuse/fuse_common.h:30:2: error: #error Please add -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to your compile flags!
18:03.45setuidand?
18:03.56dutchfishsetuid, execellent
18:03.57setuidWhat happened when you did as suggested?
18:04.29Ward1983abrotman, how is this howto looking to you? http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu8.04
18:04.52setuidgives it another test
18:05.28Yasuosetuid, in procedure you told me is just download wx and run make
18:05.32Yasuowich ii already did
18:06.20Ward1983abrotman, erm sorry, this one suits me better: http://www.howtoforge.com/high-availability-load-balancer-haproxy-heartbeat-debian-etch what do you think of it please?
18:06.27Yasuo<PROTECTED>
18:06.27Yasuo<PROTECTED>
18:07.57setuidYasuo, Let me see if I can come up with a patch or fix, just a moment
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18:08.59Yasuojust installed  pkg-config  wich may be needed
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18:10.30Yasuomaybe that was is
18:10.34Yasuosetuid,
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18:12.04setuidYasuo: I hope you're not building software as root
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18:13.43Ward1983erm.....
18:13.52Ward1983i need to wait TEN HOURS on a netinstall.......
18:14.01Ward1983wtf is going on?
18:14.15Ward1983i chose my original debian server for my country (belgium)
18:14.19peterrooneyWard1983: bad things?
18:14.59Ward1983peterrooney, well im kindof in a hurry and i was wondering if i could fix the speed
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18:15.23Ward1983peterrooney, its now so slow that i dont even get a remaining time anymore.........
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18:15.35peterrooneyWard1983: wow.
18:15.41wols_Ward1983: use nl, fr or de
18:15.51Ward1983wols_, so i need to reboot now
18:15.56Ward1983just because one of the servers is overloaded
18:15.57peterrooneyWard1983: i've had that happen, and the best i've been able to come up with is restart the install and choose a better mirror
18:16.00wols_Ward1983: no
18:16.03Ward1983i need to reboot and setup everything again
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18:16.12wols_no you don't
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18:16.16Ward1983wols_, i cant go back
18:16.20Ward1983theres no back button
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18:16.25wols_you don't need one
18:16.31Ward1983wols?
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18:16.37wols_kill the process and done.
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18:16.45wols_you already have a full debian
18:16.53wols_basic but full, all you need
18:17.07peterrooneyso i keep a copy of all debs on a spare hard drive
18:17.13Ward1983wols_, erm and probably half broken if i reset now
18:17.19Ward1983wols_, never mind im going for a reboot
18:17.33Ward1983going for another guess...
18:17.37wols_peterrooney: debian does this by default
18:17.37peterrooneyWard1983: wols_ raises a good point
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18:17.41Ward1983is very ann0oyed by this
18:18.02Ward1983peterrooney, i dont want half a system ill just reboot and start over
18:18.13peterrooneyWard1983: what wols_ said.  apt, aptitude are self-repairing
18:18.17Yasuosetuid, ok it was pkg-config wich was needed
18:18.24Yasuonow it works, thanks for your help :)
18:18.30wols_Ward1983: what part of "full but basic" debian didn't you understand?
18:18.33Ward1983peterrooney, still i wouldnt have my webserver and everything
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18:18.51wols_Ward1983: do you think you can install the webserver only on initial install?
18:19.02Ward1983wols_, offcourse not but thats how i want to do it this time
18:19.18wols_Ward1983: it's actually a bad way for a server to install, but suit yourself
18:19.28Ward1983wols_, ok gimme a good alternative
18:19.29wols_tasksel isntalls more stuff than you need. much more
18:19.35wols_man aptitude
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18:19.42wols_no tasksel at all used on install
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18:20.07Ward1983wols_, what does that mather?
18:20.23peterrooneyWard1983: when you get to the main menu, first thing to do is Change Debconf Priority (to low)
18:20.23wols_Ward1983: read what i wrote again
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18:20.54Ward1983wols_, what kind of stuff?
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18:21.07peterrooneyWard1983: then you may have  tasksel shown to you
18:21.10wols_man tasksel
18:21.18Ward1983peterrooney, im not sure what you mean  :s:s:s
18:21.51Ward1983peterrooney, i rebooted, you mean on my installed system right? i didnt boot it
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18:22.28wols_peterrooney: he can't boot from the system. he has no bootloader yet.
18:22.33wols_and now it's too late anyways
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18:26.13SnadderHow can I get a firefox toolbar line with links to all the websites I want?
18:26.22setuidAdd it
18:26.34SnadderHow?
18:26.36setuidview -> toolbars -> bookmarks toolbar
18:26.51setuidThen drag the urls from the url field to the bar, or right-click and add or add from bookmarks file
18:27.04Eulexyou can also just drag links to it
18:27.44SnadderI want to remove the "most visited" link.
18:27.58SnadderFound out!
18:28.00SnadderThanks!
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18:30.28setuidAmazing what that OTHER mouse button will do, isn't it?
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18:32.04roewow, ff3 is in sid already?
18:32.19roeI wish all debian maintaners were that zealous
18:33.03setuidhates FF3, compared to the beautiful layout and look of FF2, FF3 is a pile of mud with lots of bugs trapped in it
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18:33.40roereally?
18:33.50roeit seems much snappier for me compared to FF2
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18:35.06chopssetuid: I have a machine with 256MB, and I like FF3 very much :-)
18:35.32setuidCompare:
18:35.34setuidhttp://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_3.0b4_user-interface.jpg
18:35.36setuidwith:
18:35.40chopsroe: For high-visibility things like FF3, I have a feeling that the NMUs would have come fast an furious if the maintainer(s) had dragged their feet :-)
18:35.40setuidhttp://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_2.0.0.12_user-interface.jpg
18:35.50chopsroe: I'm actually very surprised that there's not an etch backport as of about a week ago
18:36.16dondelelcarowe almost never NMU for new versions
18:36.28stonedquickly
18:36.33stonedwhat is an anmu?
18:36.36stonedNMU?
18:36.38dondelelcaroand there generlaly won't be a backport until it hits etch.
18:36.40dondelelcaro!NMU
18:36.40dpkg[nmu] Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package
18:36.42stonedpj
18:36.47stonedoh* ok
18:36.51dondelelcaros/etch/testing/
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18:37.36roesetuid, not sure what your point is?
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18:38.21setuidFF3 looks like a de-evolution of the gui, it's horrible and "amateurish"
18:38.34setuidBut FF2's gui is clean, polished, better fonting, scaling, etc.
18:39.02roewell, I'm going to disagree, but not argue.
18:39.11zinxsetuid: they had to make it look more like IE7 or no one would use it
18:39.25cusco_I don't think its that bad really
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18:39.46stewsetuid: you should be able to either find a theme that better suits you, or create your own theme
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18:41.31chopssetuid: Honestly, I didn't really notice... I don't see any sizable difference (beyond a momentary "whoa, the buttons are different" when I first launched it), but to me the way a browser looks visually is one of the least important things about it (as long as it's not something that's ugly enough to interfere with me using it)
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18:43.04setuidchops, For me, 6pt and smaller fonts are the norm... and so I notice immediately when something is aliased wrong, using non-aa fonts or has changed something subtle about the size/layout of buttons and menus.
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18:43.40\amethystsetuid:  you use AA on 6pt fonts?
18:43.47zinxsetuid: it uses the gtk them in Linux now
18:43.50zinxtheme
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18:44.53chopssetuid: I'm sure someone put long hours into the GUI trying to tweak it to be ever more perfect than the FF2 GUI... I'm also sure you could find a UI designer who could write a 50-page essay on everything that FF3 does wrong as opposed to FF2 or vice versa.  These things come and go, quite honestly.  Not too long ago I was building X by hand with the RENDER extension so I could get antialiased fonts at all :-).
18:45.36zinxvaguely recalls writing X apps using libX11
18:45.55[0xDEADBEEF]yea. use xcb now ;)
18:46.42stewpython-xlib!
18:47.00zinxi recall a major difference opening firefox 3 in any case - no bookmarks or search engines loaded, and it's extremely difficult to visit any pages due to the address box and search box not working.
18:47.07zinx(issue with ~/ that doesn't support mmap :P )
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18:48.24up365and no compatible google toolbar and sort by name doesn't work
18:49.14stravHi. I'm trying to access an old seagate STT63200P tape drive device and don't really know where to start from to get the drivers (they're not available for windows so I thought that perhaps there some variant on linux)
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18:50.32zinxsome tape drives are supported by the stock kernel
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18:51.23jelly-homestrav: basically st module drives any scsi tape device
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18:51.49mothmm
18:51.52moti installed openntpd
18:52.02motbut there is not /etc/ntp.conf
18:52.04motwhat gives?
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18:52.14stravjelly-home, and that module comes with the default debian kernel?
18:52.16justinmot: dpkg -L openntpd | grep /etc/ ?
18:52.35motnothing comes up
18:52.36jelly-homestrav: yes. modprobe st if it isn't already loaded, then use mt (mt-st package)
18:52.46motjust the opentpd daemon
18:53.28[0xDEADBEEF]<PROTECTED>
18:53.46jelly-homestrav: note that old tape drives are generally too slow to be useful, but at least you can play with it
18:54.46jelly-homethat's a Travan device.  I haven't dealt with those, thankfully.
18:54.55[0xDEADBEEF]mot: dpkg -L openntpd | grep conf
18:54.56stravjelly-home,actually, I'm looking to retrieve some data from it... Ain't there any gui app for tape i/o?
18:54.57[0xDEADBEEF]worked for me
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18:55.27stravjelly-home, right a travan... Already a hell to find a driver for it in windows
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18:55.59jelly-homestrav: how is it connected?
18:56.02mot[0xDEADBEEF], ahh found it
18:56.08motso once i throw the server in there that i wanna sync to
18:56.13stravjelly-home, my drive is actually connected on parallel port, any clue which dev it should be?
18:56.14mothow do i actually sync my clock?
18:56.27zinxntpd for ongoing syncing
18:56.33jelly-homestrav: no idea :-)
18:56.48stravhmmm.
18:56.53[0xDEADBEEF]mot: you will have to uncomment the line in /etc/default/openntpd that says
18:57.04[0xDEADBEEF]#DAEMON_OPTS="-s"
18:57.14[0xDEADBEEF]the -s will sync the hardware clock
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18:57.21[0xDEADBEEF]man openntpd
18:57.27jelly-homestrav: you can come and take away my scsi DDS2, DDS3 or DLT???? crap., they probably have more capacity :-|
18:57.41[0xDEADBEEF]er... man ntpd ;)
18:58.04motalright
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18:58.14motnow can i issue a command to instantly sync everything :D
18:59.00dondelelcaromot: ntpd will sync it when it starts up too.
18:59.10[0xDEADBEEF]unless the clock is way too off
18:59.13zinxntpd won't sync if it's way too far off
18:59.17dondelelcaroyes, it will.
18:59.19zinxwithout an option.. -g maybe?
18:59.20dondelelcaro(by default)
18:59.23[0xDEADBEEF]hmm
18:59.25zinxthen that's changed
18:59.28dondelelcaroyes, which we set by default in Debian.
18:59.30zinxbecause it used to not do it without the option :P
18:59.37[0xDEADBEEF]^^^
18:59.43dondelelcaroit won't do it without the option, but we set that option by default now.
18:59.47motthanks
18:59.50[0xDEADBEEF]cool
18:59.51zinxk, that's good probably
19:00.00[0xDEADBEEF]thanks dondelelcaro
19:00.00zinxnot sure the logic behind the 'too far off' thing..
19:00.22stravjelly-home, :)
19:00.27dondelelcarozinx: the idea is that the ntp server you're syncing against has gone insane, and to avoid dns poisoning problems or similar
19:00.30zinxi had a computer with a dead bios battery (which was integrated with the RTC, so it was nearly impossible to change), which i had to supply the option to :P
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19:00.42zinxdondelelcaro: yeah.. but it talks to several of them, no?
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19:01.01dondelelcarozinx: in our configuration, but often it's just talking to one
19:01.08zinxdondelelcaro: ah
19:01.27dondelelcarozinx: or at least, that was what was thought to be the case when that feature was implemented, FWIU.
19:01.40jelly-homestrav: try ##kernel, maybe someone has seen one of those.  Mention it's parallel-port connected
19:02.12stravjelly-home, k thanks for the advice!
19:02.56ward_peterrooney, wols_ apperantly my own ISP has a mirror too, which works fine offcourse :)
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19:03.14Spock-Exploringschweppes tonic water tastes horrible and makes you feel like loking to a niggers face
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19:03.33Spock-Exploringniggers are ugly/
19:03.36[0xDEADBEEF]?
19:03.37zinx!ops Spock-Exploring
19:03.37dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: Spock-Exploring
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19:03.41skyrkeHi, how can I allow a user privileges to use sound?
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19:03.57dondelelcaroskyrke: put them into the audio group
19:04.13skyrkedondelelcaro: alright thanks :)
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19:06.34skyrkeAdding the user to audio group didn't work.
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19:06.58dondelelcaro!doesn't work
19:06.58dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
19:07.04skyrke:p
19:07.08abrotman!alsa checklist
19:07.08dpkg1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
19:07.29skyrkety.
19:07.55dondelelcaro(and if the machine is on, and encrypted partitions are mounted, it can even obviate that)
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19:15.23nhuviehi, im using arno-iptables-firewall to control de firewall.. but now I need to open a service (for a foreing ip) should be enoght to create a new rule (before the deny rules) to give permission?
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19:23.14Baloowonders if there's a user agent switcher that works on a per-site-only basis in Iceweasel.
19:23.50hoxuBaloo, you are halfway there, now replace the '.' with '?' and restructure the sentence
19:23.52themillBaloo: Can greasemonkey do that for you?
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19:24.40BalooUsage case:  Community college has a nag screen on web-based student PIM if your user agent doesn't match specific strings.  Would like to change user agent for just chemeketa.edu, not everything else.
19:24.41hoxuBaloo, you could also contact addon authors with a feature request
19:24.53Baloothemill: Not sure.  How would I check?
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19:25.22themillBaloo: nfi. Never used greasemonkey, but it's designed for fixing broken websites in new and interesting ways.
19:25.24Baloohoxu: BTW, I was being grammatically correct for a /me
19:25.40Baloothemill: Aah.
19:25.40\amethystI don't think greasemonkey will do it
19:25.50themillBaloo: Taking a cluebat to chemeketa.edu would be plan A for me though. You'd be surprising how often that works.
19:25.51hoxuBaloo, yes, but technically it wasn't a question ;)
19:26.01themills/surprising/surprised/
19:26.11setuidWhat the heck does "RTDT" mean?
19:26.20setuidGoogle isn't providing references...
19:26.25\amethystsetuid:  context?
19:26.39Baloothemill: Yes, cluebat is indeed being weilded, I just need to get work done when I need to get work done and not fight with crap; but I also don't want a lot of hassle to have an accurate user-agent everywhere else.
19:26.42setuid"A wrapper script is the RTDT..."
19:26.45hoxusetuid, round-trip delay time?
19:26.50setuidPerhaps "Right Thing To Do"?
19:27.00\amethystsetuid:  ah, that's it
19:27.05themillsetuid: sounds plausible
19:27.12hoxuYAFA
19:27.13\amethystsetuid:  with a transposition :)
19:27.27CrazyEddyHmmmmmmmm.
19:27.39themillBaloo: yeah, know what you mean... "work with" not "work on"...
19:28.26Baloothemill: Well, in this case it's more like "work with" not "nagged by"
19:28.44Corrineis there a way to test a new fstab config without rebooting?
19:28.45themillBaloo: how nagging is the nag screen?
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19:29.06Baloothemill: Every login, which is fairly frequent given my tendency to idle out.
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19:29.39hoxuCorrine, define test. You could unmount partitions and then mount -a
19:30.16Baloothemill: The appropriate IT department authorities have been threatened to have bluetooth keyboards crammed into undersized orifices sideways if they don't add a "never show this again" option...
19:30.17\amethystBaloo:  BTW, it looks like this is in the TODO for the User Agent Switcher extension, but is not there yet
19:30.18themillBaloo: hmmm... cluebat is definitely a plan. As I said, a polite email to $webmaster has cleared up that sort of snafu for me a lot of times.
19:30.21Corrinethat will do
19:30.50themillBaloo: It's not even a "never show this again", it's just a "please test for Gecko rather than Firefox" request (probably)
19:31.10\amethystthemill:  "BUT THATS INSECURE!!!!"
19:31.29\amethystthemill:  I guess it's mostly banks that act that way, though
19:31.35Baloothemill: They test for firefox.  But even if you're UA string is 3.0.0 instead of 1.0.5...
19:31.37Corrinehmm, ok, mount -a fails
19:31.47themillBaloo: ffs...
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19:32.02EulexI mailed my bank about iceweasel being almost identical to firefox
19:32.05Eulexnever got a reply
19:32.12hoxuCorrine, show us your fstab and/or the error
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19:32.30rohanis there any command or switch to restrict apt to download only at a particular speed?
19:32.44hoxurohan, you could use trickle
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19:33.56stewuse a mirror that requires you going over a satellite link
19:34.06grand_gr1ntEulex: User Agent Switcher? not the solution to make Iceweasel be recognizes as a Firefox by your bank, but can be usefull for the moment.
19:34.33Eulexgrand_gr1nt, of course, but that's not the point, the bank only gives a warning and allows me to proceed
19:34.56BalooEulex: Bank of the West doesn't care what user agent you use, or they're extremely generous.  Even Konqueror worked.
19:35.12grand_gruntMhh ok. fuck*ng whitelists of webmasters.
19:35.15Eulexhah, interesting
19:35.54BalooEulex: Discovering Bank of the West was a happy accident.
19:36.28EulexBaloo, they're not available where I live, though
19:36.45BalooEulex: Noticed 'em by accident when I passed a branch and happened to notice the bear logo out front.  Then noticed they had the highest savings interest of any of the banks in the area.
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19:37.48rohanhoxu: what is trickle? can you link me to it?
19:38.01hoxu!tell rohan about search
19:38.10CorrineI got it, it was using udp by default and the firewall on the server is less than forgiving
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19:39.13chopsgrand_grunt: For some reason, bank websites in particular seem to think that whitelisting user agents makes things more secure
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19:39.26pelegHow do I get the source of a package, using aptitude?
19:39.33hoxupeleg, apt-get source
19:39.36hoxuerr
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19:39.41BalooMy only real complaints with BotW is that some of the things their website does is probably more security theatrics rather than actual security to some extent, and that the locations are very few and far between.  On the other hand, tellers remember your name after they see you a few times, the ATMs are completely free, the online banking works in any browser, the ATMs dispense $5's...
19:39.42Eulexpeleg, you can't
19:40.03hoxupeleg, what's the problem with using apt-get? :p
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19:40.31pelegEulex, hoxu: oh, I see... thanks. Just used to use aptitude.
19:41.18simmerzwhy does `hostname` give an fqdn, but `hostname --fqdn` gives the short host name?
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19:42.20hoxusimmerz, what's in your /etc/hosts?
19:42.42simmerzfor 127.0.0.1 or for the ip address?
19:42.48chopssimmerz: Perhaps because your /etc/hosts lists your full domain name, but your system's domain is not set properly?
19:43.20simmerz89.16.185.99    mail-s-1 mail-s-1.initforthe.com is the non 127.0.0.1 line
19:43.27chopssimmerz: And what does dnsdomainname return?
19:43.28peppesimmerz: because --fqdn uses your resolver (/etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, NIS...)
19:43.30simmerz127.0.0.1 shows localhost.localdomain localhost
19:43.38dondelelcarosimmerz: and what's the next line?
19:43.44simmerzchops: blank
19:44.00simmerzdondelelcaro: nothing
19:44.07chopssimmerz: That's why hostname --fqdn doesn't display the right thing (where to fix it I'm actually not sure)
19:44.09dondelelcarosimmerz: then you need to add a yourip hostname.fq.dn hostname; line
19:44.42simmerzdondelelcaro: erm, 89.16.185.99    mail-s-1 mail-s-1.initforthe.com is there. is that back to front?
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19:46.21dondelelcarosimmerz: yes, it's backwards.
19:46.32simmerzdondelelcaro: ok
19:46.34simmerzthanks
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19:49.27DawnLightif i use the backport 2.6.24 do i need the backport wireless-tools for wireless to work?
19:49.56DawnLights/backport/bpo/
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19:50.16grand_gruntBaloo: this website takes care of many navigators, and is generous: http://www.newyorker.com/js/videos/video.js (so it's possible)
19:50.32helois it a bad idea to give a dhcp lease expiration time of -1?
19:50.48Baloogrand_grunt: Yeah, but that's something you'd expect out of the New Yorker.
19:50.50themillDawnLight: I am using 2.6.24 without that package and my iwl3945 works fine, but there are perhaps advantages. Check the changelog (use apt-listchanges if nothing else)
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19:51.06DawnLightthanks themill
19:51.13Baloogrand_grunt: That publishing house took some serious flack after they mishandled the Wired site launch back in the 90s.
19:51.37themillDawnLight: In fact, the changelog entry basically says "silences warnings about incompatibilities that were never introduced"
19:51.59themillDawnLight: aptitude changelog wireless-tools :)
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19:53.46dondelelcarohelo: you want the leases to expire; set a high value if you don't want that to happen frequently.
19:54.19triflerdoes anyone know if its possible to change to lock/unlock screen of xscreensaver to make it a little nicer? :)
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19:54.20dante_2coretrifler, yes
19:54.27dante_2corethere is a project that changes the source code
19:54.42dante_2coreit's a patch, but you have to recompile every time to change the look
19:55.02dante_2coretrifler, http://www.swanson.ukfsn.org/xss/
19:55.20helodondelelcaro: the man page doesn't set a limit for the max acceptable value... do you know what a good 'very high value' is?
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19:55.52dondelelcarohelo: something on the order of a few hours is more than long enough
19:56.02chopshelo: Why do you want it to be particularly long?
19:56.05dondelelcarohelo: unless you're running with very few addresses, they won't be reused anyway
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19:56.15triflerdante_2core: Thank you but that looks terrible :)
19:56.15dante_2coreafk@mopho
19:56.29dante_2coretrifler, I know, but you can change it with a little hackery
19:56.43helochops: i'm dealing with some machines that may be confusing a server app by changing ip address
19:57.01triflerdante_2core: I more or less just wanted a plain white or black square with user and password field.
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19:57.11dondelelcarohelo: unless you have fewer addresses than the total number of machines on the network, they won't change address.
19:57.15chopshelo: Better to configure the DHCP server to grant them all persistent addresses then
19:57.19dante_2coretrifler, then download the theme, and edit the image files
19:57.20heloso i'd prefer to reduce the frequency at which they change ips by making the lease time as long as possible to see if that helps some flakiness i'm seeing
19:57.28helohmm, i suppose that should be good enough then
19:57.34chopshelo: Increasing the lease time is not a good solution for that problem
19:57.40dondelelcarohelo: they really shouldn't be changing addresses at all, actually.
19:57.52dondelelcarohelo: none of my machines which are using dhcp do
19:58.03chopshelo: "I keep falling down.  Can anyone advise me how to take longer steps to make it less frequent?" :-)
19:58.06triflerThe "hacking" bit I can't say is something i can handle I'm new to this and if there isn't a guide im pretty much lost :)
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19:59.42dante_2coretrifler, well, there are instructions about how to do things down the page, depends on if you consider this a too big effort or not. I just use xtrlock.
20:00.10dante_2coreafk again
20:00.12triflerdante_2core: i.e no screensaver?
20:00.12dante_2coreafk@mopho
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20:00.20neurodamagehow do I get the saslauth mechs for postfix
20:00.32dante_2coretrifler, I just set things to blank out after a timeout with xset
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20:00.47jrabbitMy xorg.conf is blank
20:00.52triflerdante_2core: Aha
20:00.56dante_2corexset s 60 and xset s blank, then xset s on
20:00.56jrabbitI can't change the drive because it is not listed
20:01.05dante_2corethen you lock with xtrlock, and the screen goes blank a minute later.
20:01.06jrabbitxorg seems to be guessing that my chip is
20:01.29jrabbit*ATI but I can't figure out where it is getting it's conf to change the resolkution and get on FGLRX
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20:02.14neurodamagenvm i got it
20:02.18neurodamageI found it in the database cache
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20:04.28SnadderAnyone know why the fonts in ff3 is so large.. when I print a website.. all letters goes into eachother so its impossible to read the text?
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20:04.42setuidSnadder, irc.mozilla.org/firefox
20:04.47setuider..
20:04.52setuidSnadder, irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox
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20:05.20Snaddercool.. didnt know those links worked.
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20:05.23grand_gruntDoes anybody have any idea for when Iceweasel 3.0 will be avalaible in Debian stable (Etch or future stable Lenny)?
20:05.24jrabbitI used the Lenny beta installer
20:05.40jrabbitWhy can't I seem to easily edit xorg.conf???
20:05.47dondelelcarogrand_grunt: 10 days from now or so, depending on RC bugs.
20:05.53dondelelcarojrabbit: you shouldn't need to edit it.
20:05.56setuidjrabbit, vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:06.01jrabbitI know
20:06.03traineeI want to install debian for learn. But there are three debian-40r3-i386 dvd. What are these.
20:06.05jrabbitit's BLANK
20:06.07jrabbitread.
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20:06.17chopsgrand_grunt: Properly speaking, it will not be available in etch; that's not how stable works.  It will probably be available in backports for etch in 10-20 days.
20:06.22dondelelcarojrabbit: so? you pretty much don't need an xorg.conf anymore
20:06.25setuidjrabbit, read what?
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20:06.41setuiddondelelcaro, gosh I hope they haven't done away with it
20:06.42jrabbitI can't GUI "Choose" the native resolution.
20:06.48themillchops: you reckon? the gtk dependency is likely to keep it out, isn't it?
20:06.50jrabbitSo i do.
20:06.51Harmonyhmm
20:06.55jrabbitand i want to change the drivers...
20:07.00dondelelcarojrabbit: then create the appropriate stanzas, and change them
20:07.06jrabbitI can't.
20:07.10dondelelcarojrabbit: why?
20:07.11setuidGetting rid of xorg.conf would pretty much render almost all of my Thinkpad laptops completely useless
20:07.15jrabbitI have no idea what they are
20:07.21chopsthemill: I figured that a backported gtk 2.10 would come alongside it... that's installable alongside the etch gtk, right?
20:07.25dondelelcaro!drxx
20:07.26dpkgTo reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:07.32dondelelcarojrabbit: follow the instructions above then.
20:07.38jrabbitThat doesn't ask for resolution
20:07.54dondelelcarojrabbit: of course it doesn't. But it will create a stub of an xorg.conf that you can further modify.
20:08.02themillchops: I doubt it as the gtk libs don't seem to be versioned that way
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20:08.22jrabbitWhen did reconfiguring xserver stop being useful though?
20:08.25the_sniff!backports
20:08.25dpkghmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
20:08.26dondelelcarosetuid: it shouldn't, actually. The configuration file won't go away, but it should become less and less useful.
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20:08.44dondelelcarojrabbit: when the X server learned more about how it should be configured than the scripts driving the configuration process?
20:08.55jrabbithow are you supposed to do this the "right" way then
20:09.04dondelelcarojrabbit: you just run xrandr and change the resolution
20:09.13jrabbitand my drivers?
20:09.21dondelelcarojrabbit: the drivers are almost certainly automatically detected.
20:09.46jrabbitI don't want "ati"
20:09.47jrabbit:P
20:09.51dondelelcarojrabbit: why not?
20:09.57jrabbit3d accel.
20:10.24chopsthemill: Hm... it could upgrade gtk on etch (somewhat risky but worse has happened in backports), or it could statically compile against gtk 2.10 (not ideal either)
20:10.29jrabbitI have never seen ati perform well enough for me to do any gaming what so ever
20:10.29dondelelcarojrabbit: uh... ati should load the appropriate drivers all on its own, including 3d accelleration.
20:10.45jrabbitanywho
20:10.47chopsthemill: I honestly hadn't considered that aspect of the problem, but my assumption is that for FF3 people will be willing to use a certain amount of force to backport
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20:11.00chopsthemill: Since users will certainly be forcibly installing it if there's no official backport :-)
20:11.07jrabbitxrandr seems to not want to change to 1280x1024
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20:11.17asldkjfasdl firefox 3 and i wonder how it is installed? it is not a *.deb package... it is tar.bz2
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20:11.27chops!tell asldkjfas about ff3
20:11.28dondelelcaroasldkjfas: don't use that package.
20:11.43chopsPerhaps something about FF3 should go in /topic
20:11.58asldkjfashello
20:12.03asldkjfasok thanks i will read
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20:12.22jrabbit"not found in available  modes"
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20:12.31jrabbitgee that was useful dondelelcaro
20:12.33dondelelcarojrabbit: then for whatever reason, it thinks your monitor doesn't support 1280x1024, or it doesn't have the right modes for it to be driven at 1280x1024.
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20:12.46dondelelcarojrabbit: if you don't want our assistance, please go elsewhere.
20:13.02Kobazwhere is the config stored for which frontend that questions are asked... mine is currently set to readline but i don't have readline so i can't do anything
20:13.15dondelelcaroKobaz: dpkg-reconfigure debconf; man 7 debconf;
20:13.18jrabbitI wanted to know where this mystical config seems to exist
20:13.20setuidAs I'm fond of saying: "#debian is a free, community-supported channel, it is not a technical support contract."
20:13.26asldkjfasthank god for this channel :)
20:13.31Kobazhmm, but where is the config file
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20:13.43jrabbitI cannot find this anywhere and as you pointed out dondelelcaro it's not in xorg.conf
20:13.44dondelelcaroKobaz: there's no configuration file, per-se.
20:13.49\amethystjrabbit:  using lenny ?
20:13.51dondelelcarojrabbit: yes, because you have to put it into xorg.conf.
20:14.03Kobazdondelelcaro: but it has to store the choice of readline/dialog/etc somewhere
20:14.13dondelelcaroKobaz: yes, but you shouldn't muck with it directly.
20:14.18dondelelcarojrabbit: it's not that hard; you figure out the right modeline, you put it in the appropriate stanza, you restart it.
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20:14.19jrabbitamethyst - yes
20:14.22Kobazdondelelcaro: i can't do a dpkg-reconfigure since it's currently using readline and readline is currently broken on my box
20:14.24\amethystjrabbit:  if you want to create a config file, do  Xorg -configure   and copy the resulting file to /etc/X11
20:14.27the_sniffGPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
20:14.30the_sniffhow do i fix that?
20:14.32Kobazdondelelcaro: well i need to muck with it directly :P
20:14.38\amethystjrabbit:  recent Xorg tries to autodetect stuff if you don't have a config file
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20:14.44dondelelcaroKobaz: then read the manpage that I told you about, and you would have found out about the environmental option that changes it.
20:14.51chopsthe_sniff: Read the backports instructions
20:14.53themillchops: static linking is unpleasant and very much frowned upon in debian though. I don't know what the approach for backports will be other than to get lenny out the door sooner rather than later ;)
20:14.53Kobazah
20:14.55Kobazheh, k
20:14.58the_sniffchops: i did.
20:15.02chopsthemill: Heh
20:15.07the_sniff:|
20:15.08chopsthe_sniff: Not carefully enough, it would seem :-)
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20:15.26jrabbit\amethyst: Xorg -reconfigure?
20:15.44asldkjfaswhere do i get a iceweasel
20:15.44the_sniffhttp://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
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20:15.50the_sniffchops, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions !
20:15.51asldkjfas*.deb package?
20:15.55asldkjfas3
20:15.59the_sniffoh
20:16.00the_snifflol
20:16.00the_sniff:|
20:16.03chopsthe_sniff: Yes, that's the one
20:16.15\amethystjrabbit:  hm, I thought it was -configure, but it might have changed
20:16.16chops!tell asldkjfas about ff3
20:16.22asldkjfaswhere do i find iceweasel deb 3 package? i cant find it in synaptic
20:16.30the_sniff!ff3
20:16.30dondelelcaroasldkjfas: it's only in unstable.
20:16.31dpkgit has been said that ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.  Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings  Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>
20:16.31chopsasldkjfas: Will you please read what dpkg has told you?
20:16.43asldkjfaschops i read it. yes. but it only for lenny
20:16.45asldkjfasi got this etch
20:16.56dondelelcaroasldkjfas: then you'll have to wait for someone to backport it.
20:17.09asldkjfasso how I install the tar.bz2 ?
20:17.10dondelelcaro(or you could backport it yourself)
20:17.13chopsasldkjfas: So you obviously stopped reading before you got to "Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>"...
20:17.14dondelelcaroasldkjfas: you don't want to.
20:17.45themill(you won't be able to)
20:17.46asldkjfaschops ok i ask
20:17.59Kobazdondelelcaro: i have the debconf man page but not debconf 7
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20:18.48asldkjfasi tried ff3 out in windowxp and it is very efficient and sleek
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20:19.30grand_gruntchops: cool, in backports, I think I'll try, thanks!
20:19.36trainee>I want to install debian for learn. But there are three debian-40r3-i386 dvd. What's in this second and third dvd?
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20:20.05wols_trainee: packages on them are sorted by popularity. first disk has most popular, 2nd disk second popular, etc
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20:20.06dondelelcarotrainee: more packages. The installation guide explains this
20:20.27asldkjfastrainee no idea but i have only used dvd 1 even for all the apt-get installs i have done and i have had zero use for the other dvds so far
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20:20.40dondelelcaroKobaz: it's in debconf-doc, iirc. In any event, what you're looking for is DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg-reconfigure debconf; or similar.
20:20.47asldkjfastrainee i have used debian for 2,5 years now
20:20.51traineethanks ok I read again. Thanks for your help
20:20.54asldkjfasits is very good
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20:20.56asldkjfasok
20:21.05dondelelcaroKobaz: or man dpkg-reconfigure would also tell you about the --frontend option
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20:21.49andihitit's bad when I have no udev, right?
20:22.04wols_not bad exactly
20:22.10wols_you can run fine without
20:22.21SnadderThere is filed 7 ff3 bug reports on cairo.. anyone know if those bugs is fixed in debian sid or lenny?..
20:22.36andihitI've installed wine, then uninstalled it, now I have no udev any more, and I got a message that I should reboot
20:22.41dondelelcarohell, at least sarge.
20:22.42Snadder..problem with large fonts when printing.
20:22.45Kobazdondelelcaro: k
20:22.58andihitand that's a (v)server - maybe it can't start any more without it then? ;)
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20:23.14zap-cloneHello
20:23.16stewSnadder: what is cairo?
20:23.17Kobazyaaaaay
20:23.30wols_stew: a vector based (I think) graphics lib
20:23.36wols_ffox3 now uses it
20:23.37asldkjfascairo is ftp client
20:23.48asldkjfasno wait thats casablanca
20:23.49asldkjfassorry
20:23.53zap-cloneHow stable is lenny for a production environment? I have the problem that jpgraph won't work with etch's php5 version and I would like to avoid building packages myself
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20:24.10wols_zap-clone: certainly less than a backport
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20:24.19wols_zap-clone: and no guaranteed security updates either
20:24.28zap-clonewols_: unfortunately there seems to be no backport
20:24.29Snadderstew, a rendering engine for 2D graphics
20:24.37wols_!tell zap-clone about ssb
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20:25.04zap-clonehmm, ssb?
20:25.33Snadderstew, makes it impossible to print any document to paper or pdf.
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20:26.28zap-clonewols_: ssb?
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20:26.48wols_zap-clone: dpkg just messaged you
20:27.13zap-clonewols_: sorry, yes, the message was hidden
20:27.19stewSnadder: where was this bug filed?  upstream?
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20:27.29subsumei'm having trouble changing permissions on a symlink
20:27.38subsumestubbornly stays root:root
20:28.12zap-clonethanks, wols_
20:28.35Snadderstew, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423525
20:28.39subsumenvm
20:28.41the_snifffirefox sux :|
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20:29.10Snadderstew, its not apart of ff3 I heard.
20:29.43stewSnadder: if it hasn't yet been fixed upstream, and no bug was ever filed in debian's bts, it is very unlikely it would be fixed in debian
20:30.24subsumehmpf.
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20:31.12ricosecadaHow do I specify another port than 22 when using sftp?
20:31.32ricosecadasftp -o -p 7701 myhost doesn't work
20:31.34subsumehow can I create a symlink with permissions other than root, if I am using sudo?
20:31.41ktwilighthm, so i have apt-get source <pkg> edited the necessary stuff, and i want to rebuild it into a .deb, do i use debuild? 'cuz i don't quite see how from reading the man.
20:31.59stewricosecada: "man sftp" and look at the documentation of -o
20:32.05wols_ktwilight: dpkg-buildpackage for example
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20:32.15ktwilightah
20:32.18ktwilightthanks wols_ :)
20:32.20jrabbitWhy won't rm allow me to rm -rf / ?
20:32.26jrabbitI'm root.
20:32.28ricosecadastew, I have done, for about 30 minutes trying all kinds of configuration, it just doesn't make sense to me
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20:32.35Eulexsubsume, chmod it?
20:32.41subsumeEulex: not working
20:32.56wols_jrabbit: what is the error you get?
20:32.57stewricosecada: the manpage even says, "For example, to specify an alternate port use: sftp -oPort=24."
20:32.57Eulexsubsume, ah, sorry, I mean of course chown
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20:33.08subsumeEulex: I know
20:33.10subsumeEulex: doesn't work
20:33.19jrabbitwols_:  "rm: cannot remove root directory"
20:33.27Eulexsubsume, so, what happens?
20:33.33subsumechanges perms on the symlinked directory
20:33.36ricosecadastew, sorry there seems to be missing something here.. thanks
20:33.37ktwilightdoh! i actually have that open in my other browser. :/
20:33.39wols_there you are then. why you'd want to in the first place?
20:33.40subsumebut FTP is having permissions error following the symlink
20:33.48Eulexjrabbit, why do you want to do that? anyway, /* will probably do it...
20:33.54jrabbitwols_: because I have no use for the current install
20:34.13wols_jrabbit: then you still don't use rm. you delete the partition instead
20:34.15jrabbitI have to install stable then upgrade to get a decent enviorment
20:34.22subsume-h
20:34.23jrabbitwols_: but that's not fun
20:34.24subsumethanks guys
20:34.25jrabbit:P
20:34.32ktwilightjrabbit, why not format the entire hdd?
20:34.36wols_but it has the advantage of working
20:34.38jrabbitAha!
20:34.50ktwilightjrabbit, why not reboot it stick in the installation cd and run it?
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20:35.01Eulexsubsume, hmm, odd that. can't say that I know the answer.
20:35.07subsume-h switch =)
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20:35.14Eulexoh
20:35.20jrabbitktwilight: I will
20:35.26ktwilight:)
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20:35.46Eulexnifty
20:37.00hamiti want to install the driver of nvidia fx5500 how can i do this? how can i add the nonfree repo
20:37.20hamiti am using sid now
20:37.22wols_!tell hamit about nvidia
20:37.33wols_!tell hamit about nvidia_post_etch
20:37.33BalooIf I'm trying to match all messages in procmail to go to an archive, I would use this code snippit, right?  http://paste.leonerd.org.uk/?show=2373
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20:38.01hwildewhen I run "top" what is meant by "buffers" in the memory display?
20:38.01hwildeMem: 507664k total, 475780k used, 31884k free, 92116k buffers
20:38.41hamitwols_: how can i add the nonfree repo i couldnt find it
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20:41.46subsumemy FTP client won't follow symlinks. Something obvious I am missing?
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20:42.33robcioozna sie ktoś na x server bo mi sie sypie i nie wiem co zrobić
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20:43.06Torrieriafter reinstalling a operative system (lets say, moving from Debian 64bits to Debian 32bits) is there a way with a know tool go back and recover the information from the hard drive to get files form the last installation?
20:43.25wols_!tell robcioo about pl
20:43.27Eulexsubsume, many ftp servers restrict access for non-root users so that they won't be able to access stuff outside their home directory. it works chroot-like, so you won't be able to access stuff outside of the directory even if it is linked into it.
20:43.40subsumedrats
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20:44.15robciooO.o
20:45.14EulexI'd even say that that is normal ftpd behaviour
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20:45.23Eulexbut perhaps some can be configured to not do it
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20:46.18subsumeI would like it not to be. =)
20:46.24subsumemay be recursive problems or something.
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21:07.12hellopnetstat seems to show TCP connections.  How do I see on-going two-way UDP communication between my computer and other computers?
21:07.22zinxhellop: you can list open UDP ports.. UDP doesn't really have connections, though
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21:12.25sybecWhat is the recommended package management tool for Debian (sid) ?
21:12.46zinxsomething apt-based?
21:13.10sybecyes, but -what-, exactly? apt-get ? aptitude ?
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21:13.44zinxof those, i'd recommend aptitude, though some in here may disagree :P
21:14.01hellopzinx, can you suggest anyway to see what IP addresses are communicating with my server via UDP, and how much bandwidth they are using?
21:14.21robboplushow do you kill apache when /etc/init.d/apache2 stop does nothing? just keeps stopping forever... and fuckin apache is causing HUGE load on the box, it's lagging
21:14.25zinxfor bandwidth.. maybe something like ntop would show it
21:14.46sybecI'm not asking what you'd recommend.
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21:14.47zinxyou could log stuff with iptables, may be a bit noisy though
21:14.49sybec!why aptitude
21:14.50dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
21:14.51hellopA real-time firewall monitor like firestarter would do it, but it's X-based, and I need something CLI.
21:14.58sybec!aptitude
21:14.58dpkgaptitude is probably now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
21:15.06zinxsybec: then what _ARE_ you asking?
21:15.22sybecI'm asking if the Debian project recommends one front end over the other
21:15.27zinxno
21:15.51sybeczinx: so no recommendation of one front end over the other under absolutely no circumstance?
21:15.59valdynsybec: aptitude is the officially recommended tool
21:15.59zinxyou choose
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21:16.38sybecvaldyn: could you point me to some official documentation making said recommendation?
21:16.54valdynsybec: i-g
21:16.57valdyn!i-g
21:16.57dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
21:16.58valdyn!ig
21:16.59dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
21:17.01valdynops
21:17.02Jygga!why not aptitude
21:17.03dpkgAptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep".
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21:17.23Jygga!aptitude-fu
21:17.24dpkgTo list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true
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21:17.45hellopok Question 2, I have a CLI server program that has console output.  I would like to be able to disconnect/recconnec via SSH and then see the server's output.  Using &, bg, jobs, etc... doesn't work if I reconnect via SSH.
21:18.22dondelelcarohellop: use screen
21:18.35hellopdondelelcaro, ok
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21:19.15valdynhellop: though you might want to redirect that output to a logfile either way
21:20.22sybecvaldyn: thank you
21:21.04wols_hellop: nohup or screen
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21:21.45hellopwols_, What does nohup mean?  nohangup?  what is that?
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21:22.34wols_man nohup
21:22.38hellopk
21:22.38sybecvaldyn: but isn't that piece of document out of date? i.e. does the aptitude - recommended thing still hold?
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21:23.39hamit!nvidia
21:23.39dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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21:24.24dondelelcarosybec: yes, it still holds
21:24.49dondelelcarosybec: aptitude enables you to do things that are very difficult to do with any other frontend, with the possible exception of dselect.
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21:28.31dryroti made an image of my hard drive , /dev/hda . how do i mount it ?
21:28.50wols_dryrot: via offset
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21:32.00hellopwhat does this mean: **ERROR** mVLAN: Host (identical IP/MAC) found on multiple VLANs
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21:32.17karstenhellop: Sounds like you've got the same MAC address on multiple VLANs.
21:32.20frosh68question about daemon.log: i've got some lines saying in.smtpd[330]: connect from www.xxx.yyy.zzz. Does this mean some TRIED to connect to the smtpd or that they succeeded?
21:32.22hellopAnother host on my network is using my IP?
21:32.32karstenhellop: Probably misconfigured VLAN, or cloned MAC addresses.
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21:32.59karstenhellop: cat /proc/net/arp
21:33.30zinxfrosh68: it means they connected, what they did once connected is another matter
21:33.40karstenhellop: See if you've got duped HW Address entries.  Also check ifconfig to see if you've got one interface on multiple networks.
21:34.06hellopkarsten, just one entry there
21:34.47frosh68zinx: thanx. this machine was accused of being a spam-relay. i have regularly checked with chkrootkit and tripwire, but have not updated smail in a long time. could this indicate that the spam-relay accusation is real?
21:35.10zinxdepends on how you have your SMTP server set up
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21:35.30frosh68zinx: no relaying, thats for sure
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21:36.03zinxgiven that someone's said otherwise.. you'd better be absolutely sure
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21:37.11frosh68yeah, i have to install from scratch anyway, since the hardware is old and rusty. just wanted to be sure, the accusation (from spamhaus.org) were true.
21:37.36zinxit's likely that they are
21:37.55frosh68i still don't understand how it could have happened. maybe a vulnerability in smail...?
21:38.00zinxno
21:38.13zinxit's quite easy to configure the smtp server that way
21:38.17frosh68you mean it was a configuration error?
21:38.21zinxmost likely, yes
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21:38.36zinxi'm not familiar with "smail", though
21:38.52frosh68but i did not. the server was online for 5.5 years, never any trouble, suddenly it becomes a spam-relay?
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21:39.11sybecis debian sid what one would call "rolling release" ?
21:39.12zinxit's likely that it's been a spam relay for 5.5 years
21:39.15frosh68i would really like to know what has happend
21:39.20zinxsid is not a release at all :)
21:39.23mimcpherfrosh68, all it takes is one spammer to discover the fact that it'll relay mail.
21:39.25dondelelcarosybec: not really.
21:39.57sybecwell I guess it can't be called "rolling release" because it never actually gets any 'releases'..
21:39.58frosh68mimcpher: then it took them an awful long time to dicover that ;-)
21:40.00stewzinx: sure it is
21:40.09dondelelcarostew: we never really release it
21:40.13zinxstew: in the sense that it's released...
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21:40.18mimcpherfrosh68, there's lots out there; they don't need to discover it immediately.
21:40.27dondelelcarounless you want to count the bi-daily runs of dinstall as a release
21:41.05stewwell its a realse as far as http:/debian.org/releases is concerned
21:41.19dondelelcaroright, but that's really a technical issue
21:41.44frosh68is there any way i could see traces of the accused spam activity on the server? it is now offline, but everything else untouched (except for rotated log files, unfortunatley)
21:41.56stewplease allow me to argue semantics becuase this bug i'm supposed to be fixing sucks :)
21:42.02zinxfrosh68: mail log files
21:42.03sybechahaha
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21:42.26frosh68zinx: nothing in there
21:42.31zinxfrosh68: most smtp servers keep a log of mail that's sent/received, dunno about "smail" in particular though
21:42.56dondelelcarostew: heh
21:43.40zinxdoesn't appear to be packaged for debian either, at least not in sid :/
21:43.59frosh68zinx: i think i have checked all logs, but maybe i have overlooked something. as far a i can see, there are only logs for errors or undelivered mails
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21:44.17zinxfrosh68: are there a lot of undelivered mails to external hosts?
21:44.53hellopthanks for the help guys
21:44.54frosh68zinx, no. just the two cron-mails that should have beend delivered to me since the server went offline ;-)
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21:45.08mohadibany ideas how i can get the gdm background to show on all displays?
21:45.42streunerIs this ban for markybob permanent?
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21:47.52frosh68ok, zinx and mimcpher, thanx for the help. i think next time i just not install any smtp server at all :-)
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21:49.13frosh68little mouse ^
21:49.23stonedstreuner: mhm
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21:50.02stonedstreuner: as I found out last night and I get the impression that it will be probably for a while
21:50.07frosh68ok gotta go celebrate the fine football match i just saw.
21:50.08Bushmillsfrosh68: you'll probably need an smtp server. and, they tend to be unproblematic is not set wide open.
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21:51.05frosh68bushmills, yeah, thats what i thought too. still, obviously someone was able to abuse my server fo spam. even if i dont find any evidence.
21:51.10Bushmillsand you can still block incoming tcp 25 of course.
21:51.28frosh68yep. i will at least do that.
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21:52.45Bushmillsfrosh68: you don't happen to have a web server and php, and maybe some php mailing stuff, on the same server?
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21:53.32frosh68no web server. the machine was minimal only, just for pulling backup files from the main server.
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21:54.36frosh68BTW, is there a "minimal install" option in the newer debain releases?
21:54.37Nazcafanhow do I set the app that opens pdf files on KDE without installing KDE (I need to set that for use in kbibtex only)?
21:55.04dondelelcarofrosh68: we've always had a minimal install option
21:55.09dondelelcarofrosh68: you just don't select anything.
21:55.09Bushmillsfrosh68: base system is fairly minimal
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21:55.29dondelelcaro(you can actually get smaller than that, but unless you're doing something odd, there's no reason to bother)
21:55.34zyx386i have debian server with confixx adminstrator toll, i well indall mail adminstator tool for my reseler. which one is free and simple?
21:56.23Bushmillszyx386: what branch of debian?
21:56.34frosh68dondelelcaro: "don't select ANYTHING" sound pretty minimal to me ;-)
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21:57.21zphinxis there any guide around how i switch my ssh cert, and my apache cert for new certs with bigger keys?
21:57.25zyx386bushblows, ETCH
21:57.47zyx386Bushmills, etch
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21:58.03dondelelcarozphinx: you just use ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -f keyfile; and/or openssl genrsa as appropriate.
21:58.10Bushmillszyx386: ssh is fine for admin
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21:58.38zphinxdondelelcaro: Any idea what the normal keylength for ssh is?
21:59.15Bushmillsan editor would be helpfiul too
21:59.36zyx386Bushmills, thanx, i chose webmail client for free and simple for my reseler
21:59.54dondelelcarozphinx: man ssh-keygen; will tell you.
22:00.17Bushmillszyx386: but you asked for admin tool, not for webmail, right?
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22:01.01zyx386yes Bushmills sry
22:01.10zphinxdondelelcaro: it doesnt say
22:02.19themillzphinx: have another go at reading the section for "-b bits"
22:02.37Bushmillszyx386: those web base admn things, they are more for ubuntu people who get scared when seeing text mode
22:03.00zyx386Bushmills, thanx
22:03.05zphinxah, 2048
22:03.29mavhclinux: it's for people who can read
22:04.34Bushmillszyx386: but as you run debian, you wouldn't go on that path, right?
22:05.06zyx386Bushmills, i have some reseler web1,web2...etc
22:05.24zyx386they mose via Confixx to webmail
22:05.31stonedis it just me, or has anyone ever thought about making configuring linux easily though guis and such instead of cryptic conf files (cryptic for newbs)
22:05.38zyx386i well install webmail client for all
22:05.45stonedI mean if someone tries to they are looked down upon
22:06.06stonedI think ubuntu does a great job of being in new users to linux, despite its shortcomings or how #debian may feel about it
22:06.17zyx386like SquirrelMail
22:06.18stonedbut thats neither here nor there
22:06.27Bushmillsstoned: they say "if you make something simple enough that an idiot can use it, only an idiot would want to use it"
22:06.33[0xDEADBEEF]zyx386: imho, web interfaces are limited compaired to what I can do from the cli
22:06.39stonedBushmills: ehh... ehhhh
22:06.44karstenWhat is KDE's answer to f-spot?
22:06.48stonedhehe
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22:06.51karstencan't even remember the GNOME app now....
22:07.03themillkarsten: digikam?
22:07.03karstenNot kphotoalbum, which more or less exactly sucks.
22:07.09karstenthemill: Maybe.
22:07.22themillis currently playing with his photo collection in digikam
22:07.31zyx386[0xDEADBEEF], ?
22:07.33zphinxhrm, i generated a rsa key, but putty asks me if i want to accept the ssh-dss key
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22:09.00dondelelcarozphinx: tell putty to use rsa instead of dsa to connect.
22:09.07karstenthemill: That's it, thanks.
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22:09.41JemtGreetz. I need to identify a graphic card installed in a computer. Does such a card have a unique ID? I need it for an application that automatically loads an Xorg driver
22:09.43themillkarsten: no worries. The version in etch has some issues with syncing exif comments but otherwise is fine; lenny has that bug fixed.
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22:10.29zphinxdondelelcaro: seemingly i dont even have a certfile for dss, /etc/ssh just contains dsa and rsa certs.
22:11.03dondelelcarozphinx: it's dsa, not dss.
22:11.04[0xDEADBEEF]Jemt: well, every pci/agp device has a pci id. you can get that with lspci (from pciutils pkg)
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22:11.18BushmillsJemt: pci cards have vendor- and model id
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22:11.28zphinxscratching dsa from the sshd_config then
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22:12.12Jemt[0xDEADBEEF]: lspci dosn't provide me with much information;  "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY". I don't thing the first portion is the ID
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22:12.27JemtBushmills: How do I fetch those values ?
22:12.35BushmillsJemt: lspci -n
22:12.35zinx-n
22:12.37[0xDEADBEEF]lcpci -v -s 1:0.0
22:13.00[0xDEADBEEF]yea... and -n... forgot...
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22:15.17JemtBushmills: Thanks
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22:15.58Bushmillsnp
22:16.07VirtualHow do I get the Fn hotkeys on my laptops keyboard to work ?
22:16.13JemtHm, using the -n switch results in only the IDs - so I don't have anything to grep on (VGA)
22:16.40JemtVirtual: Usually the fn key is hardware dependend - it should work no matter what OS you use
22:17.15JemtAh, I need the -v switch
22:18.01VirtualJemt: I have recently installed Linux and it worked before on winblowz, but I can't adjust the luminosity or sound ?
22:18.37JemtVirtual: What laptop do you have ?
22:19.08VirtualJemt: Advent 9212
22:19.37JemtOkay, havn't head about that vendor
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22:20.00VirtualJemt: its a UK brand sold mostly in the UK.
22:20.12JemtOkay
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22:22.36VirtualJemt: so, there is no solution ?
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22:22.57JemtVirtual: not that I know of. Maybe someone else knows the answer
22:23.12themillVirtual: they usually "just work", but you can try other tricks too. /msg dpkg multimedia keys
22:23.15[0xDEADBEEF]Jemt: you can get the info for just one id by using the -s and the pci id: lspci -s 1:0.0
22:24.29JemtHm, lspci seems difficult to parse. I will probably vary a lot on different computer. Might use hwinfo instead
22:24.34JemtIt's just so damn slow
22:25.06themillJemt: the pciid is all you really need from lspci
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22:26.24[0xDEADBEEF]Jemt: use the -m switch... its all in the manual: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?lspci+8
22:26.27JemtWell, I need a command that looks like "lspci -switches | grep VGA" which gives me something like "unique ID foo foo bar foo Vendor" (Vendor being ATI, NVidia etc)
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22:27.12[0xDEADBEEF]Jemt: well, then it seems that you need to make us all a new tool ;)
22:27.17themillJemt: lspci + sed (or perl)
22:27.46JemtUnless it's possible using two lspci commands
22:27.53themillJemt: and while you're at it, you could match it against the kernel's pci database
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22:28.24Jemtthemill: PCI database ?
22:28.38JemtWhat does it contain ?
22:28.42themill!pciid
22:28.42dpkgTo locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware.  Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives.
22:29.03[0xDEADBEEF]Jemt: most of this info is in the manual... u should read it ;) http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?lspci+8
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22:29.11themillJemt: so, lspci -nn | grep -nn gives me this:
22:29.21themilldpkg: pciid 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400 [1002:7145]
22:29.22dpkgegrep -i --color `echo 1002:7145 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
22:29.22Jemt[0xDEADBEEF]: I know, thanks
22:29.44[0xDEADBEEF]and knowing is half the battle....
22:30.28JemtHm, what part is the unique ID ?
22:30.41themillJemt: in that example, 1002:7145
22:30.45JemtOkay, thanks
22:31.08samantha--i've got lame installed, but SoundJuicer doesn't seem to want to extract to MP3. What do I look for?
22:31.21Jemtthemill: Thanks, that seems pretty easy to parse
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22:32.07themillJemt: indeed. A little perl or sed and you can do even more
22:32.51JemtYep. Thanks a lot :)
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22:34.47|Ryan52I ssh to one of my machines. The title of that window changes to "ryan52@machine1:~". I logout and ssh to a different machine. and its still set to "ryan52@laptop:~" (when it should be machine2). Why is this happening? They both have untouched bashrcs. (except for that it sources my other config file, which is exactly the on both).
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22:41.47Torrieriafter reinstalling a operative system (lets say, moving from Debian 64bits to Debian 32bits) is there a way with a know tool go back and recover the information from the hard drive to get files form the last installation?
22:42.31|Ryan52Torrieri: after reinstalling on the same hard drive? If you used a different hard drive, you can mount it.
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22:46.49windio00how do i export bookmarks in iceweasel?
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22:47.21windio00im having an issue with my laptop where it black out after about 30 sec to 2 min
22:47.23streunerwell, in iceape is a save function which save an html file
22:47.37streunershould be the same in iceweasel
22:47.56Bushmillswindio00: they're even stored as html file in your profile directory
22:48.00|Ryan52windio00: .mozilla/firefox/via5j26l.default/bookmarks.html
22:48.20|Ryan52(where via5j26l.default is whatever yours is)
22:48.25JemtThanks for all your help guys
22:49.05streunerBushmills: they won at the EM, what do you think about? ;-)
22:49.21windio00do the thinkpad t60 use the same hard drives as t40?  then i just swap out the hard drive
22:49.43peppewindio00: bookmarks -> manage -> then in the menu there is export
22:49.44windio00and not have to try to get data off every 2 mins
22:49.46Bushmillsstreuner: was quite entertaining.
22:49.58streunerBushmills: oh, you saw it :-)
22:50.23Bushmillsyes. did better than i actually expected
22:50.24windio00grrr why did my laptop have to die on me one week before my trip when i actually need a laptop
22:50.41Torrieri|Ryan52, over the same harddrive
22:51.20windio00peppe, thanks
22:51.22Bushmillswindio00: just as a reminder that technology is not infallable
22:51.42windio00Bushmills, its a thinkpad though . . . it should be almost invincible
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22:52.18windio00eh so now i have to decide to shell out $300 for a t40 on ebay or $800 for a t60
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22:52.46|Ryan52Torrieri: So you wrote over all of your data and you want to know how to get it back?
22:52.58|Ryan52Torrieri: cause that's not gonna work...
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22:53.21Bushmillswindio00: ibm, or lenovo?
22:53.30janne-5011hi can some help me ,I try to install java  on debianarm , "sun-java5-jre" but it dont works.  its says need  depend sun-java5-bin, but if i try with that file it says "No candidate version found for sun-java5-bin" /etc/apt/aptconf is deleted.
22:53.45windio00Bushmills, t40 was ibm t60 is lenovo
22:54.05Mundust43p was the last ibm
22:54.12MundusOf the t-series atleast
22:54.27Bushmillswindio00: i read several quite bad reviews on lenovo product quality and lack of technical support recenly.
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22:55.01windio00Bushmills, i was thinking of getting one since i started with the t20, then t40
22:55.13windio00not sure how lenovo is
22:55.44|Ryan52janne-5011: sun-java5-bin is i386 and amd64 only.
22:55.53MundusI switched over to apple. The macbook is cheaper than a decent lenovo 13" laptop
22:56.33janne-5011Ryan52 ok bad news thanks anyway
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22:56.40_N0W4Y0UT_http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7969777/
22:56.43Bushmillswindio00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOadERbdEA4
22:56.55Mundusjanne-5011: Why java5?
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22:58.12karstenthemill: Hey, how do you select a set of pictures and copy them elsewhere?  I'm trying to just do that, and it seems like it's !@#$%^&*() impossible.
22:58.24janne-5011Mundus I need it =). java6 dont works on etch I learned
22:58.38MundusReally?
22:58.41MundusStrange
22:58.44janne-5011yep
22:58.49themillkarsten: select, ^C or RMB+copy or drag + drop.
22:58.56MundusI wouldn't know, I'm using lenny
22:59.04karstenthemill: Drag and drop into what?  Bash?
22:59.04windio00Bushmills, cool but expensive
22:59.42themillkarsten: where are you trying to copy them to? I dnd them to other albums or to a konqi window
22:59.45Bushmillsyes, and not the lightest notebook available
22:59.52janne-5011Mundus http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun
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23:00.39karstenthemill: Another directory.
23:00.46MundusLooks like you can get it from backports
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23:01.07karstenthemill: Planning on resizing them, etc., it's just that I've got a few thousand images to choose from an a visual picker is easier than CLI for that.  Konq's image viewing/management sucks.
23:01.10themillkarsten: dnd to a konsole also works (pastes filenames)
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23:01.41karstenthemill: If I can just copy the image via dragon droppings to a Konqueror window, that works.
23:01.45karstenPITA, but works...
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23:02.12Bushmillswindio00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9zaC3luKpg&feature=related
23:02.31WalzmynWhere are you supposed to stick stuff so it will be available on a samba share?
23:03.11Bushmillsincludes a 5 meter drop ...
23:03.55karstenthemill: Waht's a PITA here is that everything's so bloody slow, not sure if I'm nuking stuff or not, too much lag.
23:04.04|Ryan52Walzmyn: in your samba share
23:04.46themillkarsten: I normally find digikam pretty snappy, although it does take some time to generate thumbnails the first time you look at an album
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23:05.08karstenthemill: ... and the damned display keeps moving (I'm importing images as we speak).
23:05.25karstenthemill: Well, yeah, it's doing that too, but it's just fucking with the damned display.
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23:05.45themillkarsten: ahh.... this doesn't help....
23:05.52Walzmyn|Ryan52, where is that?
23:06.11|Ryan52Walzmyn: I dont know. Where did you set it up as?
23:06.26windio00Bushmills, yep it still works though
23:06.46karstenthemill: By the time I click on an image, it's moved, and just clicking selects the image for full-size (or large size) view, which also pretty much sucks.
23:06.52windio00Bushmills, didnt survive the setting aflame test
23:07.03Walzmyn|Ryan52, i didn't set up anything, I just installed it. I'm trying to figure htis out, but howto's are not helping
23:07.56themillkarsten: do you have single click to open normally in konqi? That setting may be obeyed in digikam to. (For me single click just selects the image)
23:07.57Bushmillsit will get worse ...
23:08.38|Ryan52Walzmyn: /etc/samba/smb.conf
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23:09.11SpookyEThi
23:09.24Walzmyn|Ryan52, right, path = /home/samba/netlogon
23:10.39Walzmyn|Ryan52, but there's no such dir as /home/samba/netlogon
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23:12.23|Ryan52Walzmyn: that's something else, I think. look at the cdrom example and build off of that.
23:12.36SpookyETWhy is apt-get/aptitude's interface so damn ugly compared to pacman, zypper, yum, etc? I'm talking about output.
23:13.00janne-5011Walzmyn /etc/samba/smb.conf is the right file. look  so workgroups is correct and so on, in that file and restart samba.
23:13.07dondelelcaroSpookyET: in what way?
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23:13.10|Ryan52SpookyET: What's wrong with it?
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23:14.20SpookyETdondelelcaro: The output is messy and not very readable.
23:14.22Walzmynjanne-5011, samba's working fine. I'm trying to figure out where i need to put my files so the other computers can see them
23:14.40dondelelcaroSpookyET: in what way? You'll have to provide specific examples if I (or anyone else) is going to be able to understand what you're talking about
23:15.08dondelelcaro(it's quite likely that what you're talking about isn't apt or aptitude at all, but dpkg or the packages themselves)
23:15.28Walzmynjanne-5011, |Ryan52 the only other time I've fooled with samba was with one of those *caugh* other distros that does a lot of stuff for you and it created a /share dir in each /home dir that was shared though samaba
23:16.01|Ryan52Walzmyn: then copy a config file from another distro. it should work.
23:16.09dondelelcaroWalzmyn: you put it in any location that's shared
23:16.13janne-5011Walzmyn... ok  hm.in your shared folder=). you can choose that to in smb.conf
23:16.35Walzmynjanne-5011, on the "path=" line?
23:16.36dondelelcaroWalzmyn: by default if you log in as a user, your home directory is shared
23:16.41windio00Bushmills, are these any good? http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=1501&sku=30500
23:16.51dondelelcaro(though it *is* read-only)
23:17.02Walzmyndondelelcaro, according to the .conf file it is not
23:17.16SpookyETdondelelcaro: I just told you that it's very busy. It's not arranged well. It's hard to describe it if you've never seen the other tools.
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23:17.26janne-5011look under "public" walzmyn. then you need to restart samba. think you can jsut type samba
23:17.43Walzmynjanne-5011, thanks, will look
23:17.51janne-5011path = /usr/public
23:17.55dondelelcaroSpookyET: very busy in what way? If you want it to change, you first have to be specific enough so that we can actually understand what you're talking about. Otherwise it's not worth even discussing.
23:18.19dondelelcaroWalzmyn: uh... the default conffile in Debian has them enabled.
23:18.24dondelelcaroWalzmyn: it's in the [homes] stanza
23:18.42Bushmillswindio00: 60 $ ???  i got me one for 1.50$ :)
23:18.58Walzmyndondelelcaro, ahh, yer right. I miss read it
23:19.05windio00Bushmills, thought it was overpriced
23:19.15Bushmillswindio00: and that one can connect to IDE or SATA
23:19.31windio00Bushmills, this is a laptop hardrive
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23:19.57zinxwindio00: that one looks really overpriced.. there are adapters for much less that do IDE and SATA
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23:20.22zinx(both desktop and laptop IDE, for the IDE end.. for SATA it's the same anyway)
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23:21.34SpookyETdondelelcaro: aptitude show <foo> shows a lot of information, including dependencies. The information is not layed out properly making it hard to read. Aligning labels makes output more readable. http://www.studioindustryllc.com/user/spookyet/miscellaneous/aur-info-readability.png (sample)
23:21.48fisxojdoes anyone know about the intel mesa driver... my 3d isn't working, and I can't find any good info on it. (intel 965gm)
23:21.53SpookyETdondelelcaro: It also does not show the url of the package.
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23:23.22Bushmillswindio00: that's the one i got:  http://www.cross-mark.com/cable-2sided-p-285.html  only i had it cheaper :)
23:25.25Ward1983how to reset my mysql pqsword?
23:25.34dondelelcaroSpookyET: that's actually using the same RFC822 format that we use everywhere, and in any event, is trivially configurable if you want.
23:25.54SpookyETdondelelcaro: colour would also help
23:26.14SpookyETdondelelcaro: you can configure its output?
23:26.37dondelelcaroSpookyET: yes.
23:27.20dondelelcaroSpookyET: and you can also pipe that output through something to change how it is displayed as well.
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23:27.51dondelelcaroSpookyET: the reason why we don't do any of that by default is because it's (frankly) annoying
23:28.10dondelelcaroSpookyET: and the curses interface provides a far more usable interface to that sort of thing anyway
23:28.59SpookyETdondelelcaro: I find aptitude install foo simpler than messing with the curses
23:29.25dondelelcaroif all you have to do is install foo, sure. However, if you need to do something complicated, the curses interface is where it's at.
23:29.52dondelelcaroSpookyET: you'll see why the curses interface is useful the first time you have to write a 300 character long aptitude command line.
23:30.20themillwould rather use tab completion and the aptitude cli interface....
23:30.26jaggz-does etch not receive as many updates to software (ie. am I missing some important older versions of things because I am staying at etch?)
23:30.41dondelelcarojaggz-: it won't receive any updates, save for security updates and fixes to major bugs.
23:30.57dondelelcarojaggz-: the next major update will occur when we release lenny.
23:31.02themilljaggz-: that's what debian means by stable.
23:31.17SpookyETdondelelcaro: When you install a package, why does it tell you about stuff that has been kept back (updates)? It's not relevant to my operation.
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23:31.40jaggz-I see.  Because it's pretty old by now.. so I'm wondering, on my laptop where I do development, maybe it's not a bad idea to go with an unstable distro so I can get newer versions
23:31.58dondelelcarojaggz-: you can upgrade to lenny if you want; totally up to you.
23:31.59SpookyETdondelelcaro: If I want to know of updates, I would use something like aptitude listupdates
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23:32.12jaggz-Like, I was trying to install git and git-core provides two versions, but it installed the older one:  i A  1:1.4.4.4-2
23:32.12jaggz-p AU 1:1.5.5.1-1~bpo40+1
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23:32.25dondelelcaroSpookyET: then use the quiet options
23:32.26themilljaggz-: if you are developing for the latest and greatest, then you reduce the number of people who can use your software. Your choice.
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23:32.50jaggz-nah.. private development.. the public portion is web-only and it runs on my server
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23:33.25dondelelcarojaggz-: oh, the latter is a backport; you have to specifically ask for that option
23:33.25themilljaggz-: if you want git from backports, then you need to aptitude install -t etch-backports git-core
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23:33.56streunerhm
23:33.59jaggz-ohh.. sorry -- I didn't think of looking up bpo at all.
23:34.06SpookyETdondelelcaro: Why does it fail after "Building tag database..." if you forgot sudo? It should fail immediately.
23:34.11jaggz-Okay.. so I'm thinking I may go with lenny on my laptop..
23:34.30themilldpkg: tell SpookyET about reportbug
23:34.37streunerjaggz-: read /msg dpkg sid faq
23:34.41jaggz-I use SVN .. but I was going to try out git
23:34.45dondelelcaroSpookyET: because there are tons of operations you can do using aptitude without being superuser.
23:35.23lleksahwtf is opennftpd :S
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23:35.32dondelelcaro(including installing software with appropriate options)
23:35.35kevind23There are a couple KDE packages that I need, and they work just fine, but apt insists that they're missing dependencies. Is there a way to correct this?
23:35.39lleksahthere's no ntpq, ntpupdqte, ntpd on debian ?
23:35.41PhaseI'm using Debian lenny. I'm having some trouble getting wine back on my system (it was removed when I ran upgrade a couple days ago. I get: http://rafb.net/p/l19DNM71.html
23:35.45dondelelcarokevind23: fix the dependencies
23:35.52kevind23dondelelcaro: no.
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23:36.02SpookyETdondelelcaro: Yes, but those that require it can check for sudo.
23:36.02real0nei have delate one folder "/etc/nepenthes/" and now when i want to reinstall it i can't so what should i do to have nepenthes package???
23:36.04dondelelcarokevind23: if you don't know how to do so, give us the complete output from apt-get/aptitude, and we'll help you fix them.
23:36.26dondelelcaroSpookyET: it's hard for it to know a priori which operations require root until it tries to get a lock or open a file for writing
23:36.27infinitycircuit!tell real0ne about confmiss
23:36.29streunerlleksah: /msg dpkg search
23:37.07kevind23dondelelcaro: I use KDE4, but for Qt3 apps I need kcontrol and the domino style, but apt insists that without certain other KDE3 apps (that are incompatible with KDE4), they won't work
23:37.09dondelelcaroSpookyET: but in any event, you can feel free to file bugs against aptitude, preferably with patches to make it do what you want it to do.
23:37.10jaggz-ooh.. inkscape uses the boehm garbage collector.. interesting.
23:37.28SpookyETdondelelcaro: --quiet doesn't hide updates
23:37.34real0neinfinitycircuitd u mean that i will use apt-get install -o nepenthes?
23:37.37dondelelcarokevind23: that's great; give us the full output and we'll tell you what to do.
23:38.14kevind23dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/1051564
23:38.36jaggz-decides to stop trying to compile inkscape v.46 and just go with etch's v.44
23:39.01real0neinfinitycircuitd thanks it's done :)
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23:39.55jaggz-what the hell.. 'All of Debian's branches and releases have "code names" which are from the movie Toy Story. '
23:40.00jaggz-that doesn't sound very serious :)
23:40.35dondelelcarokevind23: whose kde 4.0 packages are these?
23:40.46kevind23dondelelcaro: huwha?
23:40.56dondelelcarokevind23: they're pretty seriously broken
23:41.24dondelelcarooh, I see; it's the 4.4.0 moving into experimental
23:41.28kevind23dondelelcaro: Yeah, I know. But they work without a problem, and I wish I could just get apt to forget them >.>
23:41.39dondelelcaros/experimetnal
23:42.39kevind23dondelelcaro: to force them to install, I grabbed the debs from packages.debian.org then installed them in dpkg
23:42.56dondelelcarokevind23: just ignore them for now, and wait for kcontrol to be uploaded to experimental, or remove kcontrol, and kde-style-domino.
23:43.17kevind23dondelelcaro: I don't care about the dependencies so much as I want to upgrade my system
23:43.30dondelelcarokevind23: that doesn't matter; you have to fix the dependencies first.
23:43.42real0neinfinitycircuitd u still here?
23:43.43kevind23dondelelcaro: I realise that :\
23:43.47dondelelcarokevind23: you're using experimental, so you should know about how to resolve these sorts of issues without our help
23:44.16infinitycircuitreal0ne: yes
23:44.21kevind23grumbles
23:44.32jaggz-I like that the save-icon is still often a floppy :)
23:44.41real0neinfinitycircuitd i have this http://pastebin.com/mfe22c6e
23:45.02dondelelcarokevind23: but in any event, it looks like kdebase-workspace supplants kcontrol, so by removing it and kde-style-domino, you'll probably be ok.
23:45.03infinitycircuitreal0ne: what happens with apt-get install -f
23:45.21dondelelcarokevind23: running aptitude and going through it's dependency resolver will probably pick up that solution
23:45.33real0neinfinitycircuitd nothing all is good :)
23:45.51kevind23dondelelcaro: but the problem is, I want those programs installed >.>; I know how to resolve the dependencies already
23:46.20dondelelcarokevind23: uh... kcontrol is fully supplanted by the new version of kde, and the other thing is just a theme. Why would you want either of them installed?
23:46.44kevind23dondelelcaro: because I use a few Qt 3 apps that look ugly without domino and kcontrol to tweak the theme
23:47.22themillkevind23: kcontrol is only used for making settings, it's not needed once you've done that.
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23:47.35kevind23themill: right
23:47.42real0neinfinitycircuitd what d  u thing
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23:47.58helo_is it possible to run sshd on two ports?
23:48.03dondelelcarokevind23: kcontrol is supposedly within kdebase-workspace-bin anyway.
23:48.04helo_well, nevermind...
23:48.51helo_i'm tryhing to lock down all ports besides ssh on the external interface of this remote server... iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 -j DROP; iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i --dport 22 eth0 -j ACCEPT
23:48.56real0nei have delate /etc/nepenthes/ and now i want to reinstall nepenthes how can i do it plz?
23:48.57lea_wMy system is wedged, and apt-get install -f doesn't help: http://pastebin.com/d39c8fd69   Any ideas what I can do to unwedge it?
23:49.04helo_that seems to have locked me out...
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23:49.40mohadibhelo_: you can also set the default policy for INPUT
23:49.45mohadibto drop
23:49.59Bushmills"-i --dport 22 eth0" ?
23:50.08Ward1983ffs
23:50.10mohadibiptables -L should list the rules
23:50.14helo_err... -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0
23:50.15Ward1983i cannot reset my mysql pqssword
23:50.18Ward1983why not?
23:50.21helo_is what i used...
23:50.21mohadibthe one at the top for a table is the first hit
23:50.25Ward1983it stays wrong
23:50.42real0nei have delate /etc/nepenthes/ and now i want to reinstall nepenthes how can i do it plz?
23:50.54dondelelcaroWard1983: how did you change it? did you flush privileges?
23:51.04infinitycircuithey all i'm having a weird problem where update-grub fails, although manually editing /boot/grub/menu.lst is no problem: http://pastebin.com/m7498284a
23:51.15Tramphelo_: (1) first match wins (2) don't forget the reply packets (3) as mohadib mentioned, work with the policy
23:51.24themilllea_w: aptitude install libavcodeccvs51 libavutilcvs49 libpostproccvs51 libavcodec51- libavutil49- libpostproc51-
23:51.32dondelelcaroinfinitycircuit: move away /boot/grub/device.map
23:51.38real0nei have delate /etc/nepenthes/ and now i want to reinstall nepenthes how can i do it plz?
23:51.52dondelelcaroreal0ne: aptitude reinstall nepenthes; as you've no doubt been told multiple times.
23:51.57infinitycircuitdondelelcaro: thank you
23:52.02dondelelcaro!tell real0ne -about confmiss
23:52.10dondelelcaroreal0ne: rather, follow dpkg's instructions.
23:52.23dondelelcaroreal0ne: and please don't repeat your question.
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23:53.06Ward1983dondelelcaro, i tried about 3 things nothing works at all
23:53.08themilllea_w: btw why are you mixing etch and sid?
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23:53.14real0nedondelelcaro i have follow it but i still have problems
23:53.22Ward1983dondelelcaro, im extremely confused because of al;l the different ways, could you talk me trough it?
23:53.47dondelelcaro!tell Ward1983 -about i forgot mysql's root password
23:53.54helo_Tramp: 1) since i inserted a drop all, and then inserted a accept 22, shouldn't the first rule be to accept 22, 2) aren't the reply packets not going to be matched by a drop rule in the INPUT chain?
23:54.00real0nedondelelcaro i have follow it but i still have problems
23:54.03dondelelcaroreal0ne: then ask a very specific question explaining what you've done and what the problem is.
23:54.08dondelelcaroreal0ne: and stop repeating yourself, please.
23:54.09lea_wthemill: Hm; I don't have aptitude installed.  Is there some other way?  I'm mixing etch and sid because I sometimes need unstable packages.
23:54.18helo_because they will be output
23:54.41themilllea_w: don't mix etch and sid. If you need things from sid then backport them: /msg dpkg ssb.
23:54.59dondelelcaroWard1983: I assume you're talking about the root mysql password. If not, explain what password you're trying to change, what you've done, what happened, and what you expected to happen.
23:55.07lea_wthemill: Okay, thanks!
23:55.09themilllea_w: also, aptitude is the preferred way of handling these things these days and this is one of the reasons for that.
23:55.13real0nedondelelcaro when i make aptitude reinstall nepenthes i have this http://pastebin.com/mfe22c6e
23:55.23Tramp(1) yes, you are right, I read too fast. Check with -nvL however (2) I don't know your other rules, I was just mentioning it, because people often forget about this
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23:56.02dondelelcaroreal0ne: you need to follow dpkg's instructions: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall nepenthes;
23:56.20themilllea_w: you might be able to rip out the offending packages with dpkg -r packagename, but that might also try to remove dependent packages.
23:56.30corranhmm, any thoughts on how to fix the error:
23:56.32corran/usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
23:56.33Tramphelo_: however, as Bushmills mentioned "-p tcp -i --dport 22 eth0" is syntactically wrong, thus this insert will have failed
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23:56.53mikeb55If I have a string of text and I only want to display the text that is in between double quotes, how would I do this, anyone know?
23:57.04lea_wthemill: Tried that already, but it doesn't work.  I'll try to install aptitude somehow -- thanks for the pointers!
23:57.05jaggz-thanks as usual for the help by the way :)
23:57.07Tramphelo_: ah, I see, you corrected this ...
23:57.12dondelelcarocorran: install perl-base and liblocale-gettext-perl
23:57.14lea_wthemill: (even with --force-depends)
23:57.15real0nedondelelcaro i have the same problem this command what i should do now plz
23:57.23jaggz-it's easier to upgrade from sid to lenny than from etch to lenny I hope?
23:57.24corrandondelelcaro: ah, thanks
23:57.28dondelelcaroreal0ne: provide the complete output in a paste site, including the command that you've given.
23:57.29mohadibif i am not updating my distro from stable to testing is there any good reason to use distupgrade instead of upgrade?
23:57.29themilllea_w: you might be able to pull down the deb and install it with dpkg -i. Perhaps.
23:57.39dondelelcarocorran: that's actually a bug in perl, but that's how you can work around it.
23:57.40corrandondelelcaro: my computer locked in the middle of an update
23:57.42mohadibthe man page indicates distupgrade handles conflicts better
23:58.13mohadibdist-upgrade*
23:58.25real0nedondelelcaro it is here :) http://pastebin.com/m7fe98070
23:58.28Bushmillsjaggz-: there is no eas way at all to go from sid to lenny.
23:58.30themilljaggz-: you're all arse up in your release order. /msg dpkg releases
23:58.30corranis xorg-server and xorg-server-core meant to have a circular dependency?
23:58.33Bushmillseasy
23:58.34Ward1983dondelelcaro, yes the root password, i tried once again and didnt succeed
23:58.47*** join/#debian Gryfelhase (n=Gryflhas@p4FD23CC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
23:58.49Ward1983pffffffffffffff
23:58.54Ward1983retarded crap
23:59.09dondelelcaroWard1983: then provide the exact set of commands that you ran with the output in a paste site.
23:59.25jaggz-I would like to convert from Hoary Hedgehog to Lenny :)
23:59.34mohadiblol
23:59.39mohadibreinstall
23:59.46corranahh, fixed
23:59.52jaggz-yeah  :).. okay, afk
23:59.53helo_hah, i was able to see the power down message when the local tech pressed the power button
23:59.57helo_i just couldn't send anything

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