| 00:01.02 | Bushmills | helo_: i'd set input policy to ACCEPT, add ssh rule, make sure that packets hit it, and then set policy to DROP/REJECT. is it right that the server will not contact other machines (it can't, now)? |
| 00:01.56 | helo_ | it shouldn't accept incoming connections on eth0 coming to port 22, but it uses eth1 for other stuff |
| 00:02.06 | helo_ | accepting and receiving |
| 00:02.18 | real0ne | dondelelcaro u still with le? |
| 00:02.20 | real0ne | me |
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| 00:02.22 | helo_ | lol accepting and sending |
| 00:02.27 | Bushmills | helo_: but before setting policy to DROP, you probably want to ACCEPT -i lo |
| 00:02.28 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, i dont have the energy to select accurately but here: http://debian.pastebin.com/m689df80a |
| 00:02.37 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, as you can see i tried A LOT |
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| 00:02.56 | helo_ | i think i'll use this as a template: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-4-block-all-incoming-traffic-but-allow-ssh.html |
| 00:03.23 | dondelelcaro | real0ne: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm; and try it again. |
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| 00:03.38 | real0ne | dondelelcaro ok wait plz |
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| 00:04.02 | real0ne | dondelelcaro debian:/home/real0ne# rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm |
| 00:04.02 | real0ne | rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm': No such file or directory |
| 00:04.49 | Bushmills | helo_: when it should only reject incoming connections, but allow replies to own requests on eth0, your rules are incomplete. |
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| 00:05.43 | real0ne | dondelelcaro cool i have do it thanks |
| 00:05.57 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, did you see my link? |
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| 00:07.34 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: you're almost there. Just run mysql -u root; then 'use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('bluh') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES;' |
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| 00:07.45 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: make sure that's all on one line with only spaces. |
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| 00:09.04 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, and how can i then check if it works? |
| 00:09.13 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, so connect to my database |
| 00:09.19 | South3rn | Ward1983: try accesing the sql server... |
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| 00:09.33 | South3rn | through php for example... |
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| 00:09.49 | Ward1983 | there is a command too |
| 00:09.51 | Ward1983 | only i dunno it |
| 00:10.01 | Ward1983 | a bit more conveniant then making a php file |
| 00:10.18 | eap | Can anyone tell me if there is a way to 'wake up' an additional external usb mouse(plugged in after X starts) w/o restarting X. My system has stopped doing this. It works fine if I start the system with it plugged in on cold boot. |
| 00:10.33 | South3rn | Ward1983: <?php mysql_connect("localhost","user","password") or die(mysql_error()); ?> |
| 00:10.39 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: you just stop the mysqld, start up the server normally, then mysql -u root -p; |
| 00:11.24 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, ok thanx |
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| 00:15.03 | streuner | damog: :-) |
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| 00:16.45 | eap | grunts on having to restart X ........ |
| 00:17.04 | South3rn | what's the right way to change from xdm to gdm ??? |
| 00:17.12 | dondelelcaro | South3rn: install gdm, remove xdm. |
| 00:17.29 | South3rn | ok,fair enough :) |
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| 00:20.17 | Ward1983 | pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 00:20.24 | Ward1983 | now i cant get proftpd confoigured |
| 00:20.30 | streuner | South3rn: doesn't install GNOME auto install gdm? |
| 00:20.47 | South3rn | mmm, I hope not! |
| 00:20.49 | Ward1983 | maybe its time for me to go start looking for non-IT jobs |
| 00:20.54 | streuner | (if you have to ask, just don't use proftpd) |
| 00:20.58 | Ward1983 | since apperantly im too retarded |
| 00:21.10 | streuner | heh |
| 00:21.11 | Ward1983 | streuner, whats wrong with it? |
| 00:21.34 | streuner | ftp tends to be a security lag, if you mis-configure it |
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| 00:21.39 | South3rn | streuner: Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS: |
| 00:21.39 | South3rn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | Baloo | Ward1983: Wow, if you're 25 and you didn't come to this conclusion about proftpd about 10 years ago, yeah, you might be on the right track looking for another industry... |
| 00:21.45 | South3rn | no gnome :) |
| 00:22.01 | Ward1983 | Baloo, its the first time i use it... |
| 00:22.28 | streuner | Isn't startx enough to use X? |
| 00:22.29 | Ward1983 | Baloo, streuner are other ftp deamons better? |
| 00:22.45 | South3rn | streuner: I like eyecandy :) |
| 00:22.48 | Baloo | Ward1983: Yeah, I know. You and proftpd have both been around that long, and if The Force isn't with you when you're young, it's not gonna get stronger as you get older. ;o) |
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| 00:23.45 | Baloo | Ward1983: Depends on what you're using it for. If you need anonymous file access, HTTP has more or less taken over that role. If you need authenticated remote access to the filesystem, FTP is considered harmful, use SFTP instead. |
| 00:23.55 | streuner | South3rn: you have enough eyecandy when you start X then :-P |
| 00:24.03 | Ward1983 | Baloo, i need to do this for school, its not that im retarded... |
| 00:24.13 | deltas4 | when I use a screensaver that requires opengl it eats up loads of memory, what does this mean? wrong graphics driver? |
| 00:24.16 | South3rn | streuner: I know, fluxbox rocks :D |
| 00:24.23 | deltas4 | openbox too |
| 00:24.36 | streuner | !start a WM war |
| 00:24.36 | dpkg | enlightenment sucks! |
| 00:24.43 | Baloo | Ward1983: Aah. I recall the documentation is relatively straightforward compared to what's out there. What are you stuck on? |
| 00:24.46 | Ward1983 | Baloo, ssl is not safe at all either... |
| 00:24.58 | deltas4 | I liked e17 |
| 00:25.04 | deltas4 | but it's not for me |
| 00:25.16 | Baloo | It's not that FTP over SSL isn't safe, it's that it's not well supported, whereas anybody with an SSH client can do SFTP. |
| 00:25.17 | deltas4 | i prefer obox or fbox |
| 00:25.48 | Ward1983 | Baloo, well we want a webinterface for the administrator to login, so we thought about proftpd administrator |
| 00:25.51 | Baloo | That, and configuring SSL is often a chore in and of itself. |
| 00:26.08 | Ward1983 | Baloo, but are there better clients? |
| 00:26.32 | Ward1983 | Baloo, trust me its not safe lol |
| 00:26.46 | Baloo | Nautilus has SFTP support built in. You can mount SFTP as a filesystem. Some web browsers are capable of SFTP. |
| 00:27.09 | Ward1983 | Baloo, you can sniff it aswell, i actually tried it a while ago |
| 00:27.16 | Baloo | SFTP? |
| 00:27.27 | Baloo | Or FTP over SSL? |
| 00:28.17 | Ward1983 | Baloo, ist all ssl about the same? |
| 00:28.32 | Ward1983 | everything using ssl |
| 00:28.45 | Baloo | Well, sftp is based around SSH. My understanding is that SSH is slightly different. |
| 00:28.50 | Baloo | Or somewhat different. |
| 00:28.58 | Baloo | I could be wrong. |
| 00:29.00 | Ward1983 | SSH passwords are perfectly sniffable |
| 00:29.09 | Ward1983 | HTTPS too, etc |
| 00:29.14 | dondelelcaro | huh? |
| 00:29.16 | Baloo | Sure, but can you decrypt 'em? |
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| 00:29.32 | South3rn | re |
| 00:29.34 | Baloo | All data is sniffable. It's just a matter if you're going to be able to do anything with it in the next 20 years. |
| 00:29.35 | Ward1983 | Baloo, lol yep |
| 00:29.36 | dondelelcaro | you can see the data by sniffing, but unless you break the encryption, you shouldn't get the plaintext passwords. |
| 00:29.48 | Ward1983 | Baloo, how about realtime? lol |
| 00:30.05 | Baloo | Then I'd say you don't know what you're talking about since that's just not how SSH works. |
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| 00:30.29 | karsten | themill: Yeah, I think my KDE prefs are for single-click opening. I actually run WMaker as my wm, so I haven't really checked on that. |
| 00:30.48 | Nyle | whats that |
| 00:30.59 | Baloo | Nyle: Clarify? |
| 00:31.02 | Nyle | single click |
| 00:31.11 | Ward1983 | Baloo, google for ettercqp and stop being arrogant :) |
| 00:31.12 | Nyle | thats how I like it, 1 extra click sucks. |
| 00:31.12 | Baloo | Nyle: As opposed to double-clicking on icons. |
| 00:31.18 | karsten | Nyle: KDE's default is to open stuff on a single rather than double click. |
| 00:31.25 | Nyle | karsten, word indeed |
| 00:31.35 | Ward1983 | Baloo, im shocked nobody here is aware of this :s |
| 00:31.41 | karsten | Nyle: I don't because I usually select stuff, then do something to it, so I've aways got random crap opening up on me. |
| 00:31.48 | Nyle | now that I have figured out mouse gestures in konqueror I need only use firefox for stuff konqueror does not display |
| 00:31.59 | Ward1983 | Baloo, i actually did SSH myself in shcool as a test once, im recalling now |
| 00:32.01 | Nyle | karsten, I just do that stuff in konsole |
| 00:32.02 | karsten | Nyle: I _do_ prefer Konqi as a browser. |
| 00:32.10 | Nyle | karsten, you da man |
| 00:32.14 | karsten | Nyle: What's konsole? |
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| 00:32.24 | Nyle | its the kde console appliicance |
| 00:32.31 | karsten | looks at his perfectly fine rxvt term. |
| 00:32.31 | Nyle | or something |
| 00:32.38 | karsten | Nyle: Too much overhead and crap. |
| 00:32.43 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:32.44 | Baloo | karsten: konsole is the KDE terminal. |
| 00:32.49 | Nyle | I got 4 gb and 3.5ghz core 2 |
| 00:32.54 | Nyle | what freakin overhead... |
| 00:32.54 | karsten | Baloo: You missed </irony> |
| 00:32.56 | Nyle | ;) |
| 00:33.07 | Ward1983 | Baloo, did you google it yet? :) |
| 00:33.17 | themill | Ward1983: wtf are you on about? |
| 00:33.19 | karsten | Nyle: It's actually the real-estate. Menu bar. Random crap happening when I don't want it to, etc. rxvt fits my style a lot better. |
| 00:33.34 | Nyle | karsten, ahh I use aterm for the transparency |
| 00:33.39 | karsten | Nyle: Why the fuck a terminal needs a menubar is beyond me. |
| 00:33.40 | EoN | If you're on a dedicated box, how do you set up reverse dns? can you do that if you make the box a name server itself? |
| 00:33.41 | Nyle | I like tabbed consoles |
| 00:33.45 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: what about it? it's just a packet capturing program. |
| 00:33.51 | karsten | Nyle: transparency is a misfeature. *Not* particularly useful. |
| 00:33.58 | karsten | Nyle: Use screen for tabs. |
| 00:33.59 | Nyle | karsten, because its a terminal emulator applicance |
| 00:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: there's nothing magical about any protocol that blocks the ability to capture packets. |
| 00:34.02 | themill | karsten: settings -> hide menubar |
| 00:34.06 | Nyle | fuck i keep hitting the wrong keys |
| 00:34.12 | Nyle | appliance* |
| 00:34.19 | karsten | themill: I know. Then I fuck up something and need to find it back, and need to RTFM to do it, etc., etc. |
| 00:34.27 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: the point is that some protocols make the packets you capture perfectly useless unless you can decrypt them. |
| 00:34.34 | karsten | themill: IIRC there's a context click that will get you there, but really, I don't want to go there. |
| 00:34.47 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, ETTERCAP DECRIPTS THEM AND SHOWS THE PASSWORDS FFS |
| 00:34.47 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...or run timing attacks on them. |
| 00:34.50 | Nyle | karsten, you can hide the manubar in konsole too |
| 00:34.51 | Ward1983 | WTF?????????? |
| 00:34.54 | themill | karsten: right click -> settings -> show menubar ;) |
| 00:34.57 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: uh, no it doesn't. |
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| 00:35.04 | Nyle | karsten, and just have tabs (i like tabs) |
| 00:35.06 | karsten | themill: Yeah, see, I had to ask on IRC. How lame is that? |
| 00:35.07 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, i DID it my self :S |
| 00:35.15 | karsten | Nyle: screen == persistant tabs. |
| 00:35.18 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: using what? telnet? |
| 00:35.21 | Nyle | karsten, bah. |
| 00:35.21 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, and the password came up in cleartext, YES IT DOES |
| 00:35.26 | CompWizrd | well, technically, you can tell ssh not to use any encryption.. |
| 00:35.28 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, SSH2 |
| 00:35.29 | themill | Ward1983: only if you turn off encryption on the ssh link. |
| 00:35.48 | Ward1983 | themill, encryption was on offcourse |
| 00:35.53 | Ward1983 | :s |
| 00:35.58 | karsten | themill: Can you set the server not to accept unencrypted links? |
| 00:36.00 | Nyle | karsten, I might actually starting to use screen |
| 00:36.00 | Baloo | themill: Is there a way to disable allowing no-encryption SSH? |
| 00:36.01 | themill | Ward1983: then you're talking bollox |
| 00:36.31 | Nyle | its really simple |
| 00:36.31 | theocrite | Hi all. |
| 00:36.31 | Baloo | themill: Like, at the server side? Refuse encryptionless connections? |
| 00:36.35 | theocrite | Can someone help me configure a ppp connexion ? |
| 00:36.37 | karsten | Nyle: You should. It rawks, particularly for remote stuff (eg, this session, for me). |
| 00:36.39 | Nyle | if its sending in clear text, its not encrypted |
| 00:36.45 | theocrite | I tried to install my aztech modem. |
| 00:36.50 | Nyle | karsten, of course my irssi runs in screen |
| 00:36.52 | karsten | Nyle: ... or it's using steganographhy ;-) |
| 00:36.55 | Nyle | and torrent |
| 00:37.01 | theocrite | I dled the driver from here : http://www.aztech.com/support_download_modem.html#cnr2800 |
| 00:37.14 | theocrite | I was really surprised to find a linux archive. |
| 00:37.27 | Nyle | karsten, haha, secret message hidden behind clear text |
| 00:37.34 | Ward1983 | themill, sure man sure |
| 00:37.43 | theocrite | I extracted it, it was a rmp. I aliened it and dpkged it. Not it's in the list of installed packages. |
| 00:37.43 | Nyle | it an ecryption thats so stong, you can't even tell its there |
| 00:37.46 | Ward1983 | man i duno what to use now... |
| 00:37.47 | Nyle | thats why its clear text hahaha |
| 00:37.51 | theocrite | But I have nothing with kppp. |
| 00:37.52 | Ward1983 | i dont want debian anymore |
| 00:38.02 | theocrite | I don't have /dev/modem or anythin |
| 00:38.04 | Ward1983 | apperantly its for annoying noobs that think they know everything |
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| 00:38.09 | theocrite | Any advice ? |
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| 00:38.25 | themill | Ward1983: feel free to pastebin the command you used for ssh, the command you used to capture the packets and the log of the plaintext password. |
| 00:38.39 | Nyle | Ward1983, you are welcome to use whatever you like and get support wherever you like, but with that attitude you'd probably not get far... |
| 00:40.25 | theocrite | I don't have anything in my dmesg or in syslog related to a modem. |
| 00:40.38 | karsten | Nyle: PErhaps gOvernment agents simPLy assumE that messages with hiDden cOrpuses arN'T a realistic thread moDel. dO you THink there's Any Truth there? |
| 00:40.44 | theocrite | I have no idea what to do next. |
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| 00:45.23 | Nyle | karsten, no... people _do_ that. |
| 00:45.34 | karsten | Nyle: They do?!! |
| 00:45.55 | dondelelcaro | theocrite: is your modem a real modem? |
| 00:46.05 | karsten | needs a better steganography generator. |
| 00:46.14 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:46.17 | dondelelcaro | theocrite: if so, it'll be attached to whatever serial device you attached it to |
| 00:46.30 | theocrite | dondelelcaro: it's a pci card. So i guess the answer is yes ? |
| 00:46.36 | theocrite | It's not serial. |
| 00:46.40 | windio00 | hmmm yup my laptop is dying |
| 00:46.44 | karsten | themill: Specifically: is it a winmodem? |
| 00:46.51 | karsten | theocrite: ^^ |
| 00:46.56 | windio00 | goes to black . . . unless i keep it perfectly still |
| 00:47.04 | windio00 | which is difficult with a laptop |
| 00:47.14 | damog | streuner: yo! |
| 00:47.17 | theocrite | karsten: hm ? |
| 00:47.17 | Nyle | well |
| 00:47.24 | Nyle | its probably your lcd inverter going out |
| 00:47.27 | karsten | theocrite: That should show up on a scan of the PCI bus. You should also turn this up on your serial interface. It's been a long time, but IIRC there's a serial modem setup howto somewhere. |
| 00:47.32 | Nyle | or the cable could be loose at the joint |
| 00:47.37 | windio00 | Nyle, hmm |
| 00:47.42 | karsten | windio00: Plug in an external monitor, mayhap. |
| 00:47.56 | Nyle | you proabably only need to test the inverter cable, and/or the inverter itself |
| 00:48.12 | Nyle | if its going black then its the cable, if it goes dim, more than likely its your invertor thats bad |
| 00:48.18 | windio00 | karsten, i dont know one time the laptop started beeping at me |
| 00:48.23 | Nyle | simple screen replacement... ##hardware |
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| 00:49.00 | karsten | theocrite: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html |
| 00:49.01 | Nyle | worst case scenario, it becomes a headless machine. |
| 00:49.02 | windio00 | Nyle, yeah cept it is an old t40 so i would be better off maybe just buying one on ebay and swapping out pats |
| 00:49.11 | karsten | windio00: That's usually a boot diagnostic thing. |
| 00:49.26 | windio00 | parts |
| 00:49.29 | mentor | Hmm, can you diagnose a dead backlight by shining a torch ont he screen, or something? |
| 00:49.30 | theocrite | '< karsten> theocrite: That should show up on a scan of the PCI bus. ' <= If you mean lscpi, i can see my modem, but not the dev where it's supposed to be. |
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| 00:50.01 | theocrite | "< karsten> You should also turn this up on your serial interface. " <= Do you mean make my pci modem appear as a serial modem ? (thx for the link) |
| 00:50.04 | Nyle | mentor, not to my knowledge |
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| 00:50.21 | Nyle | mentor, I did laptop repair for a while (apprenticed at a repair shop just so I could learn) |
| 00:50.28 | windio00 | when i moved into my apartment thought i could put the old lcds into storage, this is the scond time ive needed one |
| 00:50.30 | Nyle | I never saw that or heard of it |
| 00:50.38 | mentor | goes to find a torch |
| 00:51.00 | Nyle | by torch you mean 'flashlight'? |
| 00:51.04 | karsten | theocrite: Section 6 of that HOWTO walks you through locating it. Install minicom. 'minicom -t /dev/ttyS0' IIRC, or 'sudo minicom -s' to configure. You can set the COM (serial) port, and try to talk to it. |
| 00:51.08 | Nyle | or an actual torch like with the fire and all |
| 00:51.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:51.20 | karsten | theocrite: 'AT' should return 'OK'. Basic Hayes modem command set. |
| 00:51.27 | windio00 | Nyle, it was going dim before now it just goes black after 30 sec - 3 min |
| 00:51.39 | mentor | Nyle: They're usually left lying arounf in the dungeon |
| 00:51.45 | windio00 | Nyle, i was just able to backup everything onto my server |
| 00:51.56 | karsten | theocrite: 'stty' is also your friend. |
| 00:51.57 | windio00 | Nyle, everything important anyway |
| 00:52.01 | Nyle | windio00, what os does your laptop run? |
| 00:52.07 | Nyle | you can always ssh in and do w/e |
| 00:52.10 | Bladesman | Got a question about tiger.. A number of daemons are reported as "Every interface is run by xxxx" Any idea where to isolate which services have control over which ports? |
| 00:52.22 | windio00 | Nyle, debian testing and i ahve a small partition with a french version of windows |
| 00:52.23 | theocrite | karsten: thx i'm trying your advices |
| 00:52.27 | Nyle | unless you got winblows in which caseyou're screwed, or use an external monitor on the dsub port |
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| 00:54.14 | Nyle | i have this laptop my infosec professor in oklahoma state gave me, broken screen but othewise a good healthy p4 1.8ghz with 512mb ram (which I upgraded to 1gb) and I also stuck in a wifi nic so i have wifi on it now.. I use it as a headless server |
| 00:54.15 | mentor | Yeah, I reckon it will work |
| 00:54.57 | windio00 | eh i need to find a lightweight travel laptop now |
| 00:55.04 | windio00 | asus eeepc maybe |
| 00:55.40 | Nyle | in fact, I export my kdm session through xdmcp to my multihead desktop |
| 00:55.56 | windio00 | grrrr one week before my trip |
| 00:56.00 | Nyle | so the laptop is still going great, though its not portable because I took the screen off |
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| 00:56.10 | Nyle | it has had debian sid on it since 2003 |
| 00:56.16 | Bladesman | You can HAVE my monitor. It's a Gateway model and since I'm blind... |
| 00:56.26 | beardy | Wouldn't it be more portable with the screen off? |
| 00:56.30 | windio00 | Nyle, nice |
| 00:56.31 | karsten | windio00: The eeepc is *tiny*. Screen resolution's very minuscule as well, I wouldn't like it. |
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| 00:57.01 | windio00 | karsten, i just need something lightweight for backpacking |
| 00:57.07 | Nyle | its 32bit too, so I run flash/java w/e else bullshit i386 only crap on it over ssh -X |
| 00:57.08 | windio00 | through colombia |
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| 00:57.20 | Nyle | windio00, have you ever seen touristas? |
| 00:57.27 | Nyle | dude, don't go to those places :) |
| 00:57.32 | Nyle | is scared |
| 00:57.45 | Nyle | shit i dont' even wanan go back to pakistan and I'm from there |
| 00:57.48 | Nyle | but nm |
| 00:57.48 | South3rn | ((WwW.ToDoPoKY.COM)) - Delokura oke vol10 |
| 00:57.56 | windio00 | Nyle, i met this girl there 6 months ago |
| 00:58.03 | dondelelcaro | South3rn: please turn that off. |
| 00:58.10 | South3rn | dondelelcaro: sorry! |
| 00:58.14 | Nyle | windio00, join the LUG there |
| 00:58.26 | Nyle | or a DUG |
| 00:58.30 | Nyle | debian user group |
| 00:58.32 | windio00 | Nyle, and she is going to have a party on the beach when i come now |
| 00:58.44 | windio00 | Nyle, so i have to go :P |
| 00:58.48 | windio00 | Nyle, sorta |
| 00:59.02 | windio00 | Nyle, maybe i can start a lug there |
| 00:59.08 | Nyle | a dug.. |
| 00:59.29 | windio00 | are there any DUGs ? |
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| 00:59.48 | Nyle | I have one in queens nyc |
| 00:59.56 | themill | karsten, Baloo: fwiw, I don't believe that modern ssh supports cipher none any more anyway. You need to go back to really ancient ssh implementations to find any documentation for that. |
| 01:00.17 | theocrite | My kernel modules begin with snd, isn't it weird ? |
| 01:00.23 | windio00 | debian user gangs |
| 01:00.33 | theocrite | (snd_via82xx_modem) |
| 01:00.33 | Nyle | snd for sound ! |
| 01:00.37 | theocrite | I know |
| 01:00.42 | theocrite | and modem for modem |
| 01:00.53 | Nyle | yeah modems sometimes have sound drives or something I can remeber back in windows 3.1 |
| 01:01.05 | Nyle | sound cards i think had modems or something on it too |
| 01:01.16 | Nyle | (fragments of vague imagery) |
| 01:01.30 | windio00 | need to find a cheap laptop for debian that is portable . . . |
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| 01:01.43 | windio00 | and not too expensive for traveling |
| 01:01.43 | Nyle | windio00, google for linux laptops |
| 01:01.45 | Nyle | !laptop |
| 01:01.45 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
| 01:02.21 | windio00 | Nyle, is there a way to tell if i can throw my hard drive in it? |
| 01:02.32 | poseidonGHOST | Anyone here compiled ogre3d from source on debian? |
| 01:02.32 | Nyle | sure do you have the tools? |
| 01:02.37 | windio00 | are hard drives laptop specificÉ |
| 01:02.40 | windio00 | ? |
| 01:02.42 | Nyle | its a simple 2.5" drive |
| 01:02.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:03.09 | Nyle | you can open the screws, open the front/top panel, take off the keyboard, and take the out hdd |
| 01:03.22 | windio00 | Nyle, mine pops out :) |
| 01:03.25 | Nyle | then order yoruself a usb to sata/ide/laptop hdd convertor |
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| 01:03.45 | Nyle | and take yoru data out that way.. or if it already runs lenny, why not rsync everything |
| 01:03.55 | Nyle | or any other # of backup options |
| 01:04.25 | windio00 | Nyle, no i mean if i get a t60 for example could i just swap my hard drive into it? |
| 01:04.39 | windio00 | Nyle, i also have an extended battery on mine |
| 01:04.41 | Nyle | sure, you'd have to reinstall the os for that hw over gain I think |
| 01:04.46 | windio00 | 8 cell |
| 01:04.54 | windio00 | Nyle, yeah i can do that |
| 01:04.56 | Nyle | but yeh, its a laptop drive it will work (takes the same amount of juice) |
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| 01:05.14 | Nyle | 8 cells are plenty for a good 2 hour rigouros hdd work |
| 01:05.17 | Nyle | or more.. |
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| 01:05.40 | windio00 | Nyle, i just got it last year and i dont want to toss it |
| 01:05.49 | Nyle | ship it to me |
| 01:06.06 | windio00 | Nyle, i mean i want to make use of it :) |
| 01:06.51 | Nyle | stingy bastid. :) |
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| 01:06.52 | windio00 | Nyle, well i might send it if you want to send me a laptop |
| 01:06.52 | windio00 | that work |
| 01:07.01 | Bladesman | Ship it to me. I'm closer. |
| 01:07.23 | Nyle | I have a powerbook 3400c with sarge/testing and system 9.1 |
| 01:07.38 | theocrite | gives up with his modem :/ |
| 01:07.44 | windio00 | Nyle, how would you use an ibm 8 cell battery on it? |
| 01:07.59 | Nyle | windio00, what? |
| 01:08.20 | windio00 | Nyle, oh thought you wanted me to ship my 8 cell laptop battery |
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| 01:08.42 | Nyle | put it in the laptop and plug in the power and charge the battieries, take the power out and use the laptop for itnensive hdd tasks and see how much more power it consumes compared to if you don't stress the system |
| 01:08.45 | Bladesman | theocrite: Fire up minicom and type "AT" (in uppercase. If you don't get an "ok" back, toggle echo. |
| 01:08.46 | Nyle | I dunno. |
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| 01:09.33 | windio00 | Nyle, i dont know if i will install testing again it broke several times over the last year |
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| 01:10.10 | windio00 | but testing mightt be more stable now |
| 01:11.11 | Bladesman | theocrite: You can prolly still download a USRobotics users manual in PDF format from the website. |
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| 01:12.15 | coldboot|home | If you use apt-get build-dep, how do you build the debian packages automagically after that? |
| 01:12.27 | coldboot|home | I mean after using apt-get source as well. |
| 01:13.05 | windio00 | are there any small laptops with built in webcams that work in debian? |
| 01:13.08 | Bladesman | coldboot|home: Have you tried the apt-src package? |
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| 01:13.39 | karsten | themill: Testing appears to support your statement: ssh -c none localhost |
| 01:13.40 | craigevil | windio00: how small do you want? the Eeepc runs debian perfectly |
| 01:13.44 | coldboot|home | Bladesman: Can I use that if I want to change the debian/rules file? |
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| 01:14.04 | windio00 | craigevil, webcam works with it? |
| 01:14.18 | theocrite | Bladesman: I don't have any feedback from minicom, it uses ttys1 as default, i tried to make it use ttyS0 (not sure it's the modem, it's just the only entry i get with dmesg | grep irq) |
| 01:14.28 | craigevil | yes , works just fine for me in kopete and skype |
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| 01:14.59 | Baloo | Wish I could get my microphone working right. I can hear it through the speakers but nothing seems to register it's input. |
| 01:15.01 | Bladesman | coldboot|home: Not sure what you mean by rules, but you can have apt-src auto-patch and build any source package you 'apt-src install' |
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| 01:15.38 | karsten | Baloo: What kind of system? My ThinkPad does that. I can hear input through headphones, but nothing records. |
| 01:15.38 | coldboot|home | Bladesman: For example I want to change the default options passed to configure when compiling ffmpeg, how would I do that while using apt-src? |
| 01:16.07 | Bladesman | coldboot|home: apt-src works alot like apt-get, and will also upgrade source packages. |
| 01:16.18 | Baloo | Sempron, running i686 (100% 32-bit environment), SoundBlaster Live! 128. |
| 01:16.20 | Baloo | PCI. |
| 01:16.27 | coldboot|home | Bladesman: Okay, so how do you customize how the package is built? |
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| 01:16.39 | helo_ | is there a good way to scan hosts continuously to see if they are up? the only way i have of getting a response is a ping |
| 01:17.27 | Bladesman | Each package should have a debian directory with all the particulars., along with the apt-src configuration. |
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| 01:18.24 | poseidon | Anyone here compiled ogre3d or CEGUI on debian? |
| 01:18.34 | pickcoder | helo_: spong does tcp monitoring |
| 01:18.35 | Bladesman | The attractive and grief-stricken widow had been living in seclusion at the home of her deceased husband's younger brother for several weeks. One evening, when she could no longer control her emotions, she barged into her brother-in-law's study and pleaded, "James, I want you to take off my dress." |
| 01:18.40 | Bladesman | Shyly, the brother-in-law did as she requested. "Now," she continued, "take off my slip." He again complied. "And now," she said, with a slight blush, "remove my panties and bra." Once more James obeyed her command. |
| 01:18.44 | Bladesman | Then, regaining her composure, she stared directly at the young man and boldly announced, "I have only one more request, James. Don't ever let me catch you wearing my things again." |
| 01:18.51 | Bladesman | growls. |
| 01:18.52 | Bladesman | Sorry... |
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| 01:19.33 | coldboot|home | Bladesman: So I just apt-src install, then edit the rules file, then apt-src build? |
| 01:19.58 | theocrite | Bladesman: i don't see anything that can help me in the us robotics user manual. As far as i saw, it's about windows installations. |
| 01:20.00 | karsten | Bladesman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:20.04 | coldboot|home | Bladesman: After it's built, how do you actually install it to where apt-get would put it? |
| 01:20.16 | karsten | helo_: fping |
| 01:20.20 | Bladesman | I think it's apt-src install --buildpkg <package> or somthint like that. |
| 01:20.27 | theocrite | But thx anyway... I'm givig up. It's too late (3am already) i spent too many times on it. |
| 01:20.42 | theocrite | I a bit sad that my father will have to use windows again... |
| 01:20.49 | karsten | helo_: Tools like nagios and cacti are designed for that sort of monitoring. There's a WindowMaker dock app, wmnetmon, which pretty much does the same thing. |
| 01:20.50 | theocrite | Have a good night /day |
| 01:20.55 | beardy | You have a real modem, and can't get it working? |
| 01:21.05 | theocrite | yes |
| 01:21.44 | karsten | theocrite: I've usually found it's a matter of getting the right serial port. May have to enable in the BIOS. |
| 01:21.48 | beardy | theocrite: So what are you trying to do with it? |
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| 01:22.37 | Bladesman | remembers taking a month to get Debian online back in the Potato days. |
| 01:22.46 | karsten | theocrite: ... see the docs i've pointed you at, go through it methodologically. |
| 01:23.00 | theocrite | beardy: 1st i'd like to know where is the modem device in /dev, then i'd like to configure kppp to use it, then i'd like to configure my fai parameters |
| 01:23.07 | karsten | theocrite: another option: see if Knoppix gets things set up for you. |
| 01:23.09 | Bladesman | And skip nothing. That's what nailed me. |
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| 01:24.06 | Bladesman | And comment out almost everything in ppp.conf and let it do it's job. |
| 01:24.25 | theocrite | karsten: ok i'll try knoppix and bios options. |
| 01:24.49 | Bladesman | jamz... |
| 01:24.52 | Bladesman | Keep well... |
| 01:24.57 | beardy | theocrite: karsten probably has given you a good link, I assume. Though, use minicom, test each serial port, if you don't know which one it is, it most likely is /dev/ttys0 or /dev/ttys1, sicne most motherboards only has two. Also yes, you might not have the port enabled in your BIOS, though it "should be" by default. |
| 01:25.19 | pickcoder | theocrite: dmesg should recognize a real UART and state the device name it's using |
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| 01:25.28 | pickcoder | if it's a winmodem, good luck. |
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| 01:26.34 | beardy | theocrite: An external modem, right? |
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| 01:27.18 | Baloo | beardy: Here's something fun: Some USB modems are WinModems. |
| 01:27.27 | beardy | Baloo: Aren't all. |
| 01:27.34 | Baloo | beardy: Possibly. |
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| 01:28.40 | theocrite | About the docs, there is a lot to read. I'm usually the 1st one to be angry about people non reading docs, but as i said, it's late (3:27am), i'll have to wake up at 6am. I can hardly stay |
| 01:28.42 | beardy | Well he said US Robotics, I assumed a real, as in connected to a serial port, external, modem. |
| 01:28.54 | theocrite | awake. tomorow ill work and my father will be at my place. After that, i'll be too late, he'll take his computer back and i won't have internet to find docs. |
| 01:29.17 | theocrite | Thx for trying to help me, i just should have come here ealier i guess (my mistake). |
| 01:29.35 | theocrite | beardy: no internal |
| 01:29.43 | beardy | theocrite: It is internal? |
| 01:29.53 | theocrite | yes |
| 01:29.54 | beardy | theocrite: Well, then it probably is /dev/ttys3 |
| 01:30.08 | beardy | theocrite: /dev/ttys2 I meant. |
| 01:30.43 | pickcoder | beardy: what does lspci say it is |
| 01:30.47 | pickcoder | grr |
| 01:30.52 | pickcoder | <- theocrite |
| 01:31.03 | theocrite | With minicom i have "no termcap entry for /dev/ttyS2" |
| 01:31.04 | beardy | theocrite: Also a chance of it beign a winmodem, if it's a "new" one. Well, good luck with it, try again when you have net access then. |
| 01:31.07 | theocrite | I'm trying kppp |
| 01:31.22 | pickcoder | if you want to tell if a port is valid just ask stty to list settings |
| 01:31.29 | pickcoder | stty -a -F /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 01:31.44 | pickcoder | check 0-3 |
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| 01:32.05 | TodoSoft | Hey guys, I{m getting the following error: [Thu Jun 19 22:01:15 2008] [error] [client 172.16.0.10] malformed header from script. Bad header=/usr/lib/cgi-bin/web-htb-gen t: web-htb-gen |
| 01:32.06 | pickcoder | if it's a winmodem it won't show up as a real UART under the ttySX devs |
| 01:32.10 | husimon | hey i'm trying to get an intel quad port nic to work in debian |
| 01:32.14 | TodoSoft | what could be causing it_]? |
| 01:32.15 | husimon | what kernel mod does it need? |
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| 01:32.23 | beardy | !winmodem |
| 01:32.23 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: <winmodem-trick>, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 01:32.33 | theocrite | pickcoder: only ttyS0 gives something |
| 01:32.37 | husimon | I tried modprobe e1000 but it didn't show up in ifconfig -a |
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| 01:34.32 | karsten | theocrite: /dev/ttyS[0123] in general, FYI |
| 01:34.39 | keith4__ | so... I just installed roundcube from etch-backports.... and while it does work, all of the labels on the web page seem to be in Armenian |
| 01:34.39 | karsten | theocrite: ... are your modem ports. |
| 01:34.42 | husimon | no one? |
| 01:34.45 | beardy | theocrite: If getting a connection is important, you'll have much less hassle with a real, serial, external modem. Have you let us know the model number of it? |
| 01:34.58 | theocrite | Is there a way to ask irssi to save the window buffer so i can read the discution again later ? |
| 01:35.18 | keith4__ | theocrite: screen? |
| 01:35.19 | theocrite | beardy: aztech cnr2800 |
| 01:35.20 | pickcoder | theocrite: lspci will give you a vendor and device ID for us to determine wth you're playing with |
| 01:35.27 | beardy | theocrite: /lastlog -file somefile.txt |
| 01:35.39 | pickcoder | otherwise we're taking wild guesses and offering generic responses |
| 01:36.43 | theocrite | pickcoder: 00:07.6 0780: 1106:3068 (rev 30) ? |
| 01:37.49 | pickcoder | scratches head.. |
| 01:38.06 | pickcoder | that's an Intel AC97 mdoem.. either that or the device/vendor list is wrong |
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| 01:38.19 | theocrite | Yes this is right. |
| 01:38.33 | karsten | pickcoder: Which one? |
| 01:38.35 | pickcoder | where did "US Robotics" come into the picture |
| 01:38.43 | pickcoder | 1106 3068 |
| 01:38.46 | theocrite | I have no clue |
| 01:39.08 | karsten | theocrite: 'lastlog'. There's some other buffer commands as well. |
| 01:39.20 | Baloo | I wonder how hard it is to convert an existing i386 install to amd64 if you've already got the hardware. |
| 01:39.34 | theocrite | karsten: thx, the command from beardy worked fine |
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| 01:41.09 | theocrite | Ok i can't handle it anymore, i'm trying for hours i woke up at 4am and it's... 4 am (non stop 24h) and i need to be awaken at 6am :/ Again, thank you very much fro all help, i really apreciate it. |
| 01:41.16 | beardy | theocrite: As I said.. if you aren't extremely poor, get a real, serial, external modem. |
| 01:41.18 | theocrite | Good nighy/day |
| 01:41.25 | beardy | theocrite: And now, go to bed. Good night. |
| 01:41.37 | theocrite | beardy: ok it's written. |
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| 01:43.16 | pickcoder | theocrite: that's a winmodem and so it needs a driver to work |
| 01:43.25 | pickcoder | theocrite: http://132.68.73.235/linmodems/index.html#scanmodem |
| 01:43.29 | pickcoder | bbib |
| 01:43.32 | pickcoder | bbiab even |
| 01:44.16 | beardy | Another thing is that internal modems will/may fry more things when the power spike comes. |
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| 01:53.28 | coldboot|home | When you download a debian package with apt-get source, how do you get debian to compile the source and make a debian package? |
| 01:54.01 | grantrules | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 01:55.13 | coldboot|home | grantrules: Do you know how to use apt-src to do all of this? I tried "apt-src install ffmpeg -i" and thought it would compile and install to /, but it just made it up to the point just before it forms the .deb package. |
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| 01:56.56 | grantrules | try apt-src -i install ffmpeg ? |
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| 01:57.27 | dirkson | Do we have a build of Firefox 3 yet on Stable? Will we? |
| 01:57.58 | miksuh | it seems to need gtk+ 2.10 |
| 01:58.00 | grantrules | is there a simple way to get debian to use python 2.5 as the default 'python' package? i don't want 2.4 at all. |
| 01:58.32 | dondelelcaro | grantrules: newer versions of Debian use python 2.5 as the default. |
| 01:58.39 | dondelelcaro | grantrules: there's no sane way to do that in stable. |
| 01:58.51 | asg | grantrules: on stable, most of the non-core 2.5 packages are missing. Stay with 2.4 on stable. |
| 01:58.57 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, you shouldn't really even care that python 2.5 exists on your system) |
| 01:59.00 | dondelelcaro | s/2.5/2.4/ |
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| 01:59.52 | grantrules | i was having some sort of dependency issues with it. i forget why, exaclty |
| 02:00.00 | grantrules | but unstable/testing uses 2.5? |
| 02:00.03 | coldboot|home | grantrules: Do you think it matters where I put the -i? |
| 02:00.27 | asg | !info python lenny |
| 02:00.38 | grantrules | coldboot|home: it's supposed to be first |
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| 02:00.52 | superjoe30 | when is the virtualbox fix going to be uploaded to the repo? |
| 02:00.58 | coldboot|home | grantrules: When I use apt-src, can I change the debian/rules file and have it included? |
| 02:00.59 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.5.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
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| 02:01.13 | coldboot|home | grantrules: I want to add a couple of --enable options to ffmpeg's configure. |
| 02:01.14 | asg | grantrules: ^^ it will be in the next stable release by default |
| 02:01.30 | asg | superjoe30: the bts will tell you |
| 02:01.37 | superjoe30 | ?bts |
| 02:01.43 | asg | superjoe30: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:01.48 | asg | superjoe30: /msg dpkg incoming |
| 02:02.06 | dirkson | Perhaps a stupid question, but do we have a build of Firefox 3 yet on Stable? Will we? |
| 02:02.22 | |Ryan52 | How do I restore my backuped gpg key? I did 'gpg --export-secret-keys' and then, on my new computer I did 'gpg --import' of that file. It works, except when I try to verify a file I just clearsigned, it says: "WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.". If I scp that file to my other computer gpg says its fine. |
| 02:02.35 | superjoe30 | dirkson: I'm pretty sure iceweasel is a fork... |
| 02:02.36 | asg | dirkson: no, no |
| 02:03.04 | nevyn | ryty_: you need establish a trustdb value for the key |
| 02:03.05 | dirkson | superjoe30: Er... How does that factor into anything? |
| 02:03.23 | ryty_ | huh nevyn ? |
| 02:03.53 | dirkson | asg: Ah, well, that's annoying. I guess it was time to upgrade this box anyway. |
| 02:03.59 | superjoe30 | dirkson: it's not the same thing as firefox anymore; thus new releases are independent |
| 02:04.18 | superjoe30 | that was my understanding |
| 02:04.20 | craigevil | not totally true |
| 02:04.25 | asg | dirkson: stable gets no non-security updates (thought there are sometimes non-security bugfixes in rX point releases.) |
| 02:04.30 | dirkson | superjoe30: Er... From my understand, we're just taking the firefox releases, adding a couple patches, rebranding, and re-releasing. |
| 02:04.39 | superjoe30 | ah ok |
| 02:04.49 | asg | dirkson: you may see something crop up at backports.org but ymmv |
| 02:04.51 | dirkson | asg: Alrighty. Kinda figured. I think I'm using stable on this box... |
| 02:05.21 | superjoe30 | asg: the bug's already reported - http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg529013.html |
| 02:05.39 | superjoe30 | "possibly uploading tonight, thanks." - 9 days ago |
| 02:05.41 | dirkson | superjoe30: It's the couple of patches that got Mozilla's panties in a bunch, and forced us to re-brand the thing. |
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| 02:06.01 | asg | superjoe30: and when the bug is fixed, the report will indicate that 'this bug has been fixed in foo.bar release'. At that point, you can expect it in incoming a few days after and in sid a few days after that. |
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| 02:06.11 | ryty_ | dirkson: what are the patches for, do you know? |
| 02:06.14 | superjoe30 | asg: a'ight thanks |
| 02:06.25 | dirkson | ryty_: No, no idea, actually. |
| 02:06.40 | superjoe30 | ryty_: supposedly it handles memory better |
| 02:06.50 | superjoe30 | it was on news.yc a few days back |
| 02:06.57 | dirkson | ryty_: I would /guess/ they're to make it fit in better with the general Debian way of doing things. Everyone else probably knows more than I, though |
| 02:07.23 | superjoe30 | oh, you're talking about that. some open source argument |
| 02:07.47 | asg | ryty_: the code is open, the name Firefox and images are trademarked and non-distributable. Therefore, we changed the name and came up with our own snappy icons. |
| 02:08.09 | ryty_ | asg: good enough for me. was just curious |
| 02:08.14 | superjoe30 | I thought it was pretty clever |
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| 02:10.25 | dirkson | It's relatively clever, but it strikes me as a sort of childish maneuver on Mozilla's part. "We won't take those patches, you you can't apply them and still call firefox firefox." The thing /is/ firefox by any objective measure, and no amount of trivial rebranding is going to change that. |
| 02:10.50 | dirkson | But that's just my take on things. Perhaps they've got some awesome reason I can't understand |
| 02:12.07 | helo_ | think of how we treat people who come in here looking for ubuntu support |
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| 02:14.07 | dirkson | helo_: Oh? I'm not seeing the connection yet. |
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| 02:16.51 | asg | dirkson: it just prevents regular folks from selling Firefox thongs on cafepress.org; you can, of course, sell as many iceweasel thongs as you like. |
| 02:17.34 | dirkson | asg: Well, right. But there's a difference between what something has intended to do and what it's actually done |
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| 02:18.41 | asg | dirkson: things are generally fine until Marketing gets involved and then it all goes to pot |
| 02:18.51 | dirkson | asg: *laughs* Point. |
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| 02:21.49 | Baloo | Is there a way to automatically mark items as read in procmail? |
| 02:22.49 | asg | Baloo: http://ilovett.com/blog/programming/procmail-mark-as-read |
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| 02:26.28 | Baloo | asg++ |
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| 02:32.40 | beardy | It is the minutes of irc worldwide silence. |
| 02:32.48 | jetscreamer | !asg++ |
| 02:32.58 | beardy | No.. |
| 02:33.02 | beardy | !karma asg |
| 02:33.02 | dpkg | asg has karma of 16 |
| 02:33.04 | Baloo | jetscreamer: Oh, there's a ! in front of it in this channel? |
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| 02:33.23 | jetscreamer | if you want the bot to record the karma you need the ! |
| 02:33.24 | beardy | Or oh.. yes, my mistake. |
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| 02:33.30 | stew | asg: uhh, i'm having trouble finding said thongs |
| 02:33.30 | Baloo | Aah, OK. |
| 02:33.59 | jetscreamer | asg left his thong at your place? |
| 02:34.02 | jetscreamer | kinky |
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| 02:34.11 | beardy | I thought you thought and he thought. I also had sandwiches. |
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| 02:36.00 | mario_gomez | g00d morning |
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| 02:41.37 | dfletcher | good evening |
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| 02:43.22 | mario_gomez | wow! |
| 02:43.25 | mario_gomez | not sleeping? |
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| 02:43.43 | Lagbolt | hey, if i have my debian installed as lvm on a single encrypted part and i want to copy it to another drive can i just use dd to copy the partition unmounted or will that not work? |
| 02:45.04 | jetscreamer | sounds like a plan to me but i dunno |
| 02:45.28 | dfletcher | can I get the name of the current dist? I'm looking for something to spit out "lenny"... ideas? |
| 02:45.40 | husimon | does debian have a pae kernel? |
| 02:45.43 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version i think |
| 02:45.44 | husimon | or do I need to goto 64bit |
| 02:45.55 | jetscreamer | !version |
| 02:45.55 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 02:46.23 | dfletcher | excellent, ty |
| 02:46.27 | jetscreamer | !pae |
| 02:46.27 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 02:46.45 | husimon | odd that I can only see 2 out of my 8 gigs then |
| 02:46.53 | jetscreamer | the stock debian kernels don't have it |
| 02:46.57 | jetscreamer | enables |
| 02:47.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 02:47.06 | jetscreamer | the stock debian kernels don't have it enabled |
| 02:47.13 | husimon | blah |
| 02:47.15 | husimon | why the fuck not |
| 02:47.26 | jetscreamer | there are versions that do, or there were |
| 02:47.31 | jetscreamer | !bigmem |
| 02:47.32 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 02:47.44 | jetscreamer | but that's deprecated in favor of .... |
| 02:47.46 | jetscreamer | of... |
| 02:47.55 | jetscreamer | i don't know what they call it nowadays |
| 02:47.57 | mario_gomez | !phpmyadmin |
| 02:47.58 | dpkg | phpmyadmin is, like, a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
| 02:48.07 | jetscreamer | you might have to compile one |
| 02:48.12 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:48.12 | husimon | that sucks |
| 02:48.18 | jetscreamer | but search for kernels |
| 02:48.21 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 02:48.21 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 02:48.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:48.40 | jetscreamer | fo rinstance |
| 02:48.44 | husimon | the kernel is called linux-image? |
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| 02:48.50 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:49.09 | jetscreamer | there are linux-headers also, if you need them |
| 02:49.33 | jetscreamer | i think bigmem ones are still in etch |
| 02:49.43 | jetscreamer | !find bigmem etch |
| 02:50.19 | jetscreamer | !slow |
| 02:50.20 | dpkg | i guess slow is ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch |
| 02:50.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bigmem' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/gpc-2.95/examples/bigmemdemo.pas) in doc/gpc-2.95-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4-base/pascal/examples/bigmemdemo.pas) in doc/gpc-2.1-3.4-doc ;; (/usr/src/linux-support-2.6.18-6/arch/i386/{abi-6.686-bigmem|config.686-bigmem}) in devel/linux-support-2.6.18-6. |
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| 02:51.12 | husimon | ya i found those |
| 02:51.14 | husimon | gonna try them |
| 02:51.36 | jetscreamer | doesn't seem right |
| 02:51.48 | jetscreamer | should be 'linux-image-whatever' |
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| 02:52.29 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search bigmem|grep image maybe |
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| 02:54.48 | husimon | ya i got that part |
| 02:54.50 | husimon | hmm |
| 02:54.53 | husimon | i have stupid lilo |
| 02:54.58 | husimon | now how do I use that kernel :) |
| 02:56.43 | jetscreamer | lilo isn't stupid |
| 02:56.45 | jetscreamer | works well |
| 02:56.58 | cast|lir | but grub is better! |
| 02:57.17 | jetscreamer | 'should' get autoupdated for you, but be sure and run ... uh... not 'update-lilo' but something |
| 02:57.22 | jetscreamer | !lilo |
| 02:57.23 | dpkg | it has been said that lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 02:58.03 | jetscreamer | i forget the name |
| 02:58.31 | jetscreamer | but it writes the automagically updated lilo.conf to the mbr or whatever |
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| 02:59.01 | dfletcher | didn't lilo die? |
| 02:59.05 | dfletcher | that's a bit outdated :P |
| 02:59.10 | jetscreamer | was killed |
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| 03:14.40 | bujin | hi |
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| 03:14.44 | bujin | somebody can help me |
| 03:14.53 | bujin | i just install the ati drivers |
| 03:15.03 | bujin | and it is supposed to be working but i dont have opengl |
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| 03:18.37 | ryty_ | so has anyone tried virtualbox in here yet? |
| 03:19.01 | ryty_ | I would presume so, pretty slick set up |
| 03:19.51 | eap | ryty_: I have use the commercial variant on 64 bit boxes, yep very slick |
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| 03:20.21 | ryty_ | eap: it took me <5 minutes to get it going on my home amd64 arch |
| 03:20.32 | ryty_ | so far I'm loving it |
| 03:20.51 | Faithful | I am doing a restore with duplicity and my CPU io waits are at 99% is there a way I could speed things up? Guess the hdd must be flat out. If the box had more than 256K ram it might help |
| 03:20.52 | eap | ryty_: great to hear, its super, no glitches and very quick |
| 03:21.35 | peterS | Faithful: you should definitely get more RAM. 640K ought to be enough. |
| 03:22.04 | Faithful | 256M I meant :) |
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| 03:32.41 | pickcoder | peterS: heh! |
| 03:32.59 | pickcoder | a 6800 is plenty of processing power too |
| 03:33.20 | peterS | nah I want an 80186 |
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| 03:35.00 | pickcoder | CISC.. meh.. I'm not going there |
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| 03:37.13 | peterS | it is a vaxing subject |
| 03:37.53 | pickcoder | are you vaxing poetic? |
| 03:38.04 | peterS | if you incisc |
| 03:38.09 | \amethyst | peterS: that one vliw right over my head |
| 03:39.04 | pickcoder | \amethyst: is that space talk? |
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| 03:40.02 | peterS | no need to be a dec about it |
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| 03:41.07 | pickcoder | refrains from references to Pick |
| 03:41.30 | edenroz | hello,am under debian lenny. i try to crack and MD$ hash but all program is under windows (eg jtr or cain) there is a way to crack it? |
| 03:41.33 | peterS | that last one hardly registered |
| 03:41.41 | edenroz | md4,not md5 |
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| 03:42.24 | peterS | edenroz: why bother, just use the NTLM hash directly, SMB / MSRPC do not actually need plaintext for much |
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| 03:42.59 | shyam_k | liblapack is not in debian repos? |
| 03:43.02 | nevyn | there's always john |
| 03:43.04 | shyam_k | lenny..? |
| 03:43.10 | nevyn | jtr is a linux program.. |
| 03:43.21 | peterS | nevyn: can john do ntlm md4? (I assume he wants ntlm anyway) |
| 03:43.25 | edenroz | jhon cant crack md4 without a modules written for windows |
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| 03:44.21 | edenroz | so this is my MD4 has: cbfab5cf6f5377492e2370acdf3b5f1e |
| 03:44.24 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 03:45.05 | peterS | edenroz: wait ... wait ... wait ... got it. your plaintext is "mymomwearsarmyboots" |
| 03:45.07 | edenroz | i spent 2h looking for find a program or a site oer a script for linux system |
| 03:45.28 | edenroz | petemc, what?in 2 sec u crack it? |
| 03:45.35 | peterS | no |
| 03:45.44 | peterS | that's just a guess. I could be wrong. |
| 03:45.50 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.57 | edenroz | peters lol |
| 03:46.11 | edenroz | so what can i do? |
| 03:46.35 | peterS | apparently windows ntlm passwords _can_ be cracked in a pretty short time. but since the hash _is_ essentially the password (you can log in without ever decrypting it), there isn't all that much point |
| 03:47.12 | pipeline | IIRC only really old windows password hashes are easy to crack |
| 03:47.21 | pipeline | in 2003, windows defaults to a relatively secure hash |
| 03:47.24 | edenroz | peterS, cain is a lamer program for windows who crack MD4 hash...is possible on linux we havent it? |
| 03:47.25 | pipeline | so you'll need a rainbow table ;) |
| 03:47.28 | peterS | oh, have they changed their algorithm since windows 2000? |
| 03:47.31 | pipeline | yes and no |
| 03:47.37 | pipeline | the old hash is still available for whatever weirdo legacy shit |
| 03:47.41 | pipeline | it's just not the default anymore |
| 03:47.49 | pipeline | by default that "field" or whatever in the SAM is blank |
| 03:47.58 | peterS | well, back in NT4 there were two hashes, the legacy one and the NTLM one. now you say there are three? |
| 03:48.05 | pipeline | so if your "victim" system was configured by a highly knowledgable idiot, it's conceivable |
| 03:48.19 | pipeline | peterS: I guess I am. |
| 03:48.40 | pipeline | ugh, windows 95/98/nt4 had something even worse than the windows 2000 crackable ntlm hash |
| 03:48.40 | edenroz | mmmmm,some1 can help me with this cbfab5cf6f5377492e2370acdf3b5f1e ?am glad for a program but is okay if u give me the creacked hash |
| 03:48.47 | pipeline | edenroz: that's not going to happen. Go away |
| 03:48.49 | peterS | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 03:49.28 | edenroz | pipeline, why?isnt illegal,is for a game on hack this site .com |
| 03:49.29 | peterS | but the security of the system never depended on the hash being secret. the hash could have been base64 and served very nearly the same purpose. the hash was supposed to never be transmitted or stored unprotected. |
| 03:49.37 | nevyn | original LM hashes :) |
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| 03:50.23 | peterS | I suppose windows 95 did store those LM hashes unprotected, but, well, that's windows 95 |
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| 03:52.14 | edenroz | pipeline, mmmm so? |
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| 03:55.06 | edenroz | amazing,i have to run windows for use cain |
| 03:56.55 | WormFood | is there software that will give me the same basic functionality of microsoft access, that is also crossplatform? (I want to develop on Linux, and run on Winblows) |
| 03:57.17 | peterS | that or you could find something better to do than crack md4 hashes |
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| 03:58.57 | kanzure | WormFood: Yes, try SQL. |
| 03:59.19 | kanzure | WormFood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL also see http://sqlite.org/ http://mysql.org/ and http://openoffice.org/ for a front end like Access. |
| 03:59.45 | foutrelis | sqlite is awesome for desktop apps :) |
| 03:59.46 | WormFood | openoffice has that functionality? |
| 04:00.00 | kanzure | Doesn't it? :) |
| 04:00.17 | Supaplex | FF3 does |
| 04:00.40 | foutrelis | hello captain obvious :3 |
| 04:00.57 | Supaplex | ask a silly question ... |
| 04:01.26 | WormFood | Supaplex, Final Fantasy 3 does what? |
| 04:01.38 | pickcoder | I haven't used the OO.org database extensively but from I've seen it's pretty nice. |
| 04:01.48 | Supaplex | firefox3 does sqlite |
| 04:01.54 | WormFood | I guess "firefox" is too hard to type :P |
| 04:01.56 | foutrelis | xd |
| 04:02.12 | pickcoder | what would a browser need to do with SQL? |
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| 04:02.26 | foutrelis | pickcoder, store urls, bookmark, etc .-. |
| 04:02.31 | foutrelis | pickcoder, all kinds of data really |
| 04:02.36 | pickcoder | meh |
| 04:02.42 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: it's just a database backend |
| 04:02.48 | pickcoder | that's just asking for security issues |
| 04:02.59 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: why? |
| 04:03.23 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: it's no different than any type of file on the filesystem. It just happens to use SQL instead of some other type of interface |
| 04:03.25 | pickcoder | run away queries? |
| 04:03.35 | pickcoder | ok |
| 04:03.47 | Supaplex | not okay. run away queries are bad. |
| 04:04.29 | foutrelis | Supaplex, what's a run away query? |
| 04:04.31 | dondelelcaro | huh? run away queries? |
| 04:04.51 | pickcoder | an exploit in the SQL processor |
| 04:04.58 | pickcoder | or just a bug that just happens to get found |
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| 04:05.17 | Supaplex | it sounds much like run away processes. like a fork bomb. |
| 04:05.50 | dondelelcaro | uh... it's sqlite; it's single threaded, and shouldn't be vulernable to such things |
| 04:05.51 | Supaplex | if your database does stored procs, you could have it invoke itself. |
| 04:06.37 | Supaplex | so what was pickcoder implying anyway? |
| 04:06.51 | dondelelcaro | unless you don't code in SQL properly, none of those should be exploitable. |
| 04:07.00 | dondelelcaro | it's not like escaping user input is hard |
| 04:07.12 | \amethyst | pickcoder: do you mean SQL injection? |
| 04:07.16 | pickcoder | no |
| 04:07.19 | pickcoder | never mind |
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| 04:10.44 | DeltaS4 | http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Image:TrueTransparentWindows.png what font is that on firefox? |
| 04:13.28 | eap | DeltaS4: that looks like the common one: Bitstream Vera Sans, (looks like what I have got) |
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| 04:14.33 | pickcoder | bed time.. nite all |
| 04:15.07 | WormFood | "bed time"? it is middle of the day here |
| 04:15.37 | \amethyst | that's not bitstream vera sans |
| 04:15.42 | \amethyst | the a is wrong |
| 04:16.39 | Supaplex | give it an F |
| 04:16.47 | Supaplex | </pun> |
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| 04:16.58 | DeltaS4 | yeah it looks different than bitstream |
| 04:17.03 | eap | Ah, my bad: DejaVu Sans (thats my gnome setting) |
| 04:17.08 | eap | ? |
| 04:17.28 | eap | DevaVu Sans Book |
| 04:18.04 | DeltaS4 | I am using that too and the T and F are different |
| 04:18.27 | eap | :( |
| 04:18.43 | DeltaS4 | the o in Tools is almost inside the T |
| 04:18.53 | DeltaS4 | and in that font not |
| 04:19.08 | eap | hmm true...... let me get my glasses :) |
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| 04:20.56 | lewis | I'm getting 'premature end of script headers' with fastcgi on a updated version of an app. ./dispatch.fcgi works from console - any ideas? |
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| 04:21.21 | Supaplex | does it spit out proper http headers? |
| 04:21.34 | lewis | gives a 500 error |
| 04:21.43 | lewis | oh - you mean from console? |
| 04:21.50 | Supaplex | does it spit out proper http headers, on the console, when run on the console? |
| 04:22.05 | peterS | it needs to print at least Content-Type: and possibly other headers, then a blank line, then whatever it wants |
| 04:22.19 | lewis | one sec. |
| 04:22.29 | lewis | yes - it does. |
| 04:23.22 | lewis | let me pastebin error from apache... |
| 04:23.40 | lewis | http://pastebin.com/m4fd7fce2 |
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| 04:25.53 | lewis | could it be to do with the sessions? |
| 04:25.54 | peterS | lewis: so uh ruby crapped out on you, time to figure out why |
| 04:26.11 | \amethyst | lewis: what's line 13 of config/environment.rb ? |
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| 04:26.30 | lewis | Rails::Initializer.run do |config| |
| 04:27.07 | peterS | anyway it sounds much more like a ror question than a debian question |
| 04:29.18 | lewis222 | ergh - need to register - all these nicks are registered :) |
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| 04:30.18 | foutrelis | lewis322, could it be a permissions issue? |
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| 04:30.38 | lewis322 | it is all 755 |
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| 04:32.09 | foutrelis | lewis322, I'm seeing all these "copy_file", "copy_entry" calls, so I assume that the user the script is run as, doesn't have the required write permissons |
| 04:32.37 | lewis322 | one sec... |
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| 04:32.52 | lewis322 | hah |
| 04:32.55 | Supaplex | no secs kthx |
| 04:33.00 | lewis322 | chmod -R 777 works |
| 04:33.03 | lewis322 | :D |
| 04:33.18 | foutrelis | lewis322, yay now everyone can read/write to your files :) |
| 04:33.20 | foutrelis | -.- |
| 04:33.31 | lewis322 | perfect. |
| 04:33.36 | Supaplex | shreds them in place just for fun |
| 04:33.40 | Supaplex | woops. |
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| 04:34.25 | foutrelis | lewis322, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuEXEC would be ideal, I'm not sure how it's down with RoR applications though |
| 04:34.27 | foutrelis | *how it's done |
| 04:34.56 | lewis322 | hold on - maybe I just needed it for the tmp directory within the rails app... |
| 04:35.18 | foutrelis | that would make sense, yes .-. |
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| 04:36.38 | lewis322 | bah |
| 04:36.48 | lewis322 | anything wrong with chown -R www-data railsapp? |
| 04:36.59 | lewis322 | that fixed everything, with permissions to 755 |
| 04:37.33 | wols | yes: now the an exploited webserver script can easily create more files on your webserevr |
| 04:37.49 | wols | only places you upload stuff to need to be writable by www-data |
| 04:38.28 | foutrelis | lewis322, I do the same, but I'm the only one with access to the server so it's not that bad. In a multi-user environment, it's not recommended. |
| 04:38.36 | Supaplex | !fix lewis322 |
| 04:38.36 | dpkg | takes lewis322 to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:38.48 | lewis322 | I'm the only one with access to the server too... |
| 04:39.04 | Supaplex | so lets use windows. it's secure enough. *cough* |
| 04:39.11 | wols | lewis322: does your server have a public IP or is reachable from the internet? |
| 04:39.48 | Supaplex | don't whine to us after the fact, when your box was too insecure |
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| 04:40.29 | lewis322 | yeh yeh - fine, what directory is ruby seeking to be writeable then? |
| 04:40.39 | lewis322 | aside from tmp? |
| 04:41.37 | tsocks | has anybody worked with "Testdisk" or "Photorec"? I need to recover some data from an EXT-3 partition |
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| 04:43.09 | Supaplex | tsocks: I've recovered jpg and mpg files from fat before. just install it, there's nothing to really configure iirc |
| 04:44.44 | tsocks | Supaplex: I'm trying with photorec... My PC was turned off incorrectly and the ext3 partitions were broken, but i have in the same hard disk a fat32 partition and it works fine :( |
| 04:45.34 | Supaplex | does the ext3 fsck at all? |
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| 04:48.32 | tsocks | Supaplex: I don't speak english very good .... |
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| 04:49.04 | alaya | hi, anyone know of any CLI vnc clients? |
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| 04:49.44 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 04:49.53 | tengulre11 | which package contain 'ip' command? |
| 04:49.57 | alaya | oh wait i guess that doesn't make sense |
| 04:50.10 | Supaplex | tengulre11: apt-file search bin/ip will tell you |
| 04:50.22 | alaya | tengulre11: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search ip |
| 04:50.42 | Supaplex | alaya: well, if you're invoking only, possibly. otherwise that sounds like ssh instead. :) |
| 04:51.19 | Supaplex | tsocks: does fsck work on the ext3 partition? |
| 04:53.02 | tsocks | Supaplex: I think it's recovering!!!! |
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| 04:54.44 | Supaplex | kewl |
| 04:54.48 | kshah | how do I generate a public key on Debian? |
| 04:55.08 | kshah | never mind.. i can google |
| 04:55.14 | nevyn | kshah: for what protocol? |
| 04:55.25 | kshah | I'm using Git + Capistrano |
| 04:55.37 | kshah | I have a public key on this computer, but I need one on my remote server - the Deb box |
| 04:56.08 | kshah | I'm using Github as well, which my box is suppose to be pulling from if I understand this correctly, since it has no key on it, it can't pull from Github |
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| 04:56.25 | kshah | so I'm thinking I can either give my box my key, or generate its own key, and add that to the list at Github |
| 04:56.36 | \amethyst | kshah: do you mean a GPG key, an SSH key, an SSL key, or what? |
| 04:56.40 | kshah | SSH |
| 04:56.53 | \amethyst | kshah: man ssh-keygen |
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| 04:57.37 | kshah | k |
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| 05:00.00 | qiyong | is it that LZMA is going to replace bzip2? |
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| 05:00.06 | qiyong | !lzma |
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| 05:00.51 | Bladesman | Anyone using a USRobotics 8004 router? I'm trying to figger out what network and broadcast addresses should be put in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 05:03.14 | wols | what IP does your router have and what netmask? |
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| 05:03.40 | CaT[t3] | in compiling a deb, is it possible to pass variables to the makefile via dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:03.54 | wols | edit the control or rules file insteasd |
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| 05:04.22 | CaT[t3] | control you say? was hoping to avoid touching the rules file for this |
| 05:04.47 | wols | dunno which of the two on the top of my head. could be the rules file |
| 05:04.56 | CaT[t3] | control hope not =) |
| 05:04.57 | Bladesman | The IPAddress is 192.168.123.100-199, and the netmask is 255.255.255.0. The Gateway is 192.168.123.254. |
| 05:05.00 | CaT[t3] | hope not =) |
| 05:06.59 | wols | Bladesman: so you know what to put in. also: your router doesn't have this IP and this gateway cause it makes no sense at all this way |
| 05:07.38 | Bladesman | Until I turn off dynamic addressing, the router will assign an IP in that range (100 to 199). |
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| 05:08.16 | wols | I asked about the IP of your router. not of what IPs your router assigns |
| 05:08.36 | |Ryan52 | I have a file in my home directory called deleteme. I can't delete it. Now I'm sure that one day I figured out something fancy and i made it...but now I forgot. Anybody know how I can delete it? |
| 05:08.55 | wols | |Ryan52: chattr +i perhaps? |
| 05:08.55 | Bladesman | Got the other IP info from the users manual, but it mentions nothing about network or broadcast addresses. |
| 05:08.55 | \amethyst | |Ryan52: chattr -i deleteme maybe? |
| 05:09.13 | wols | Bladesman: how is this question debian related? does this router run debian? |
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| 05:09.32 | |Ryan52 | wols, \amethyst: thanks, that worked. |
| 05:09.46 | Bladesman | I've chosen the address as 192.168.123.100, anyway. |
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| 05:11.52 | Bladesman | Well, if you dunno, don't snap at me for it. |
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| 05:12.14 | foutrelis | Bladesman, so you want your computer to use a static ip? |
| 05:12.53 | Bladesman | Want my puter to use a static IP. My router has it's own DHCP server. |
| 05:13.32 | wols | Bladesman: I do no. but you don't haev a debian problem so you are OT |
| 05:13.49 | Bladesman | laughs. |
| 05:13.51 | wols | not to mention why would you need network= if you already have a netmask |
| 05:14.00 | foutrelis | wols, isn't /ect/network/interfaces the same though? |
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| 05:14.08 | wols | Bladesman: router config is not a debian problem. try #networking |
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| 05:14.20 | wols | foutrelis: same as what? does his router have a /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:15.02 | foutrelis | wols, I assume it does since he said in his first message "I'm trying to figger out what network and broadcast addresses should be put in /etc/network/interfaces." |
| 05:15.21 | kylehjin | x |
| 05:15.28 | wols | sure but that is a question about a router, not about debian |
| 05:15.35 | wols | so maybe he should ask 3com and not us |
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| 05:18.38 | foutrelis | Bladesman, isn't it possible to configure the router's network settings via its web interface? |
| 05:19.34 | Bladesman | shrugs, plonks waltz, and tries elsewhere. |
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| 05:19.58 | kshah | is there a newer version of Git in any Deb repos? |
| 05:20.03 | kshah | or am I going to have to build from source? |
| 05:20.50 | wols | !tell kshah about search |
| 05:21.20 | wols | !tell kshah about bpo |
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| 05:27.04 | DawnLight | how can i see what has been uploaded to be included in the next point release? |
| 05:27.43 | kshah | so I have to specify backports even after I edit sources.list? |
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| 05:29.21 | enouf | DawnLight: you mean what's in store for r4 ? |
| 05:29.55 | DawnLight | enouf: yes. i would like to see whether a patched hal has been uploaded |
| 05:30.37 | kshah | uh oh... I ran apt-get upgrade.. unfortunately it's going to require a reboot and most unfortunately i need to hit F2 when that computer, a state away reboots so it won't shutdown because of a CPU Fan it thinks is broken |
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| 05:31.00 | enouf | well, one way might be search and watch debian-devel-announce or similar - there's lessee , htm |
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| 05:31.42 | enouf | i guess you can also see teh dev page for the hal package(s) |
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| 05:32.25 | enouf | DawnLight: such like; http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hal.html |
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| 05:33.43 | DawnLight | thanks enouf |
| 05:34.58 | enouf | DawnLight: maybe even something like; http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/etch/hal/debian/patches/?rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 05:40.35 | wols | kshah: why would you need to reboot after an upgrade? |
| 05:40.52 | kshah | it claims I need too.. |
| 05:40.53 | kshah | dunno |
| 05:41.08 | wols | what claims it needs to? |
| 05:41.27 | wols | !tell kshah about reboot |
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| 05:42.05 | kshah | apt-get upgrade instructed me |
| 05:42.33 | wols | exact message |
| 05:42.58 | kshah | I can't get it back |
| 05:43.03 | kshah | well, i guess i can try |
| 05:43.15 | DawnLight | can multiple patch files' names begin with the same number in the debian/patches directory |
| 05:43.38 | _stack | someone know a simple program to draw tree diagrams ?not related to any language, only as mindmap |
| 05:44.08 | kshah | actually i can't... apt-get upgrade now reports 0 0 0 2 not upgraded (openssh-client and openssh-server) which means I probably still have that massive security flaw |
| 05:44.11 | wols | StarkD: kivio perhaps |
| 05:44.16 | kshah | wols: ^^ |
| 05:44.31 | wols | yes you do. you need to dist-upgrade |
| 05:44.44 | kshah | wols: is there going to require a reboot? |
| 05:44.48 | kshah | *that |
| 05:44.57 | wols | for openssl? no. I gave you a factoid, read it |
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| 05:45.05 | wols | those are about the only imes you need to reboot |
| 05:45.08 | kshah | ok |
| 05:45.19 | craigevil | _stack: vym, or vim-outliner |
| 05:45.19 | kshah | I thought there was a kernel update recently |
| 05:45.29 | wols | that can do it yes |
| 05:45.40 | kshah | apt-get dist-upgrade, then right? |
| 05:46.08 | kshah | wow.. my system has been very vulnerable for far too long |
| 05:46.28 | _stack | craigevil: ok thanks I'll try them |
| 05:47.06 | ^shark_ | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 05:50.34 | DawnLight | does anyone know a free medical office management/medical information management program? |
| 05:52.18 | defrysk | DawnLight, med-cms |
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| 05:53.25 | defrysk | DawnLight, also try apt-cache search medical |
| 05:53.40 | DawnLight | defrysk: google only gives me the debian and ubuntu package sites. do you know the website? |
| 05:56.39 | tsocks | has anybody used photorec?? |
| 05:57.16 | wols | !anyone use photorec |
| 05:57.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses photorec, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:57.31 | PriitM | :o |
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| 06:01.40 | defrysk | DawnLight, its a metapackage and will install packages which are useful to build a content management system for medical care. |
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| 06:03.54 | DawnLight | is the fuse module included in the bpo 2.6.24 kernel? |
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| 06:06.46 | DawnLight | can the 2.6.24 debian kernel mount ntfs r and w succesfully or should i be using ntfs-3g? |
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| 06:17.21 | generic | i all i want to enable inetd service how can i check its running or not? |
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| 06:22.24 | DawnLight | generic: ps aux | grep inetd |
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| 06:26.47 | DawnLight | to make kde mount using ntfs-3g, i make a wrapper script and link it to /sbin/mount.ntfs but in another box, this file doesn't exist. could this be because the kernel is the bpo 2.6.24 instead of the etch kernel? |
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| 06:27.52 | generic | its not running how i run it |
| 06:27.52 | generic | i add this printer stream tcp nowait lp /usr/lib/cups/daemon/cups-lpd cups-lpd |
| 06:27.58 | generic | now want to restart it |
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| 06:29.17 | \amethyst | generic: inetd only rns things when there is a connection |
| 06:29.23 | Jemt | How do I get the last portion of this variable? "sdf xyz" - awk only works on files it seems (awk '{print $2}' file) |
| 06:29.35 | \amethyst | generic: if you telnet localhost printer you should see an instance of cups-lpd running |
| 06:30.07 | generic | ok working |
| 06:30.09 | generic | thanks |
| 06:30.23 | generic | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 06:30.24 | generic | Connected to localhost. |
| 06:30.24 | generic | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 06:30.24 | generic | quit |
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| 06:33.08 | DawnLight | can anyone answer please? does the 2.6.24 mount ntfs r and w with no problems? |
| 06:33.48 | pollie | hello, I wish to install iceweasel 3.0 on debian testing. Is there a premade deb hitting the repositories ? |
| 06:34.41 | Repossessed | I doubt it |
| 06:35.20 | cydork | !iceweasel3 |
| 06:35.20 | dpkg | i guess ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 06:35.27 | Repossessed | its in the unstable repos, so backporting is an option |
| 06:35.49 | cydork | pollie, but it's safe to wait.. you are warned :) |
| 06:36.23 | pollie | heh guys cool |
| 06:36.36 | pollie | thanks |
| 06:36.40 | pollie | i will wait :) |
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| 06:37.37 | cydork | !sns |
| 06:37.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 06:37.47 | pollie | ha ha ha |
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| 06:38.12 | pollie | i read about it having a security vulnerability spotted 5 hours after release |
| 06:38.34 | pollie | but i also read about it consuming less ram than the 2.x versions; this got me curious |
| 06:38.40 | shyam_k | i was installing libavr32ocd1 from atmel.com repo,it depends on libxerces27 but lenny have libxerces28 ..what should be done? downloading the back port and installing it said me to install libstd++5 while my system have libstd++5 proceeding will break my system? |
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| 06:45.08 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 06:45.58 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to build a package for etch that's installable on a sid system |
| 06:46.42 | man_in_ltop | using dpkg-buildpackage, a dependancy on libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) is included, even though libldap2 is already in the control file |
| 06:47.15 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to prevent dpkg-buildpackage from adding the dependancy? |
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| 06:51.27 | psilocybin | hm. Evolution won't let me make any new contact entities in addressbook. When I click to make new, i get: (evolution-2.6:5064): libebook-CRITICAL **: e_book_async_open: assertion `book && E_IS_BOOK (book)' failed |
| 06:51.36 | psilocybin | and (evolution-2.6:5064): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
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| 06:52.10 | psilocybin | also, (evolution-2.6:5064): libebook-WARNING **: e_book_construct: Could not obtain a handle to the Personal Addressbook Server with IID `OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_BookFactory:1.2' |
| 06:52.36 | psilocybin | ah, i know now where the problem lies. |
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| 06:55.15 | generic | hey my machine just reboot my inetd service uns on boot |
| 06:55.21 | generic | i just type inetd |
| 06:55.27 | generic | then it starts to run |
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| 06:58.19 | psilocybin | i had changed name of evolution-data-server to other, to prevent it from executing. and forgot change the name back. is fixed now, thank you for the generous helping spirit :) |
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| 06:58.35 | owen1 | where do i get finch (text-based pidgin)? |
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| 06:59.16 | craigevil | owen1: its in sid might be in backports |
| 06:59.34 | owen1 | !backports |
| 06:59.34 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 07:00.28 | owen1 | craigevil: thanks. i need to read about it. |
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| 07:02.40 | olivier | hello i need help for install ioncube on debian |
| 07:03.34 | man_in_ltop | hmmm dpkg-buildpackage -d might help |
| 07:04.29 | owen1 | ! simple sid backport |
| 07:04.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 07:07.42 | hramrach | Hello |
| 07:07.53 | olivier | hello |
| 07:08.02 | hramrach | What would cause the kernel to oom-kill everything? |
| 07:08.26 | maligor | running out of memory |
| 07:08.29 | maligor | or a bug |
| 07:08.45 | hramrach | well, I got 1G of ram and I don;t need it |
| 07:08.49 | ozzloy | what's a good phone with syncing capabilities for desktop linux? |
| 07:09.13 | Supaplex | google android! |
| 07:09.15 | hramrach | it should run with 256M or so, and certainly not oom-kill gettys |
| 07:09.42 | olivier | where find a good administrator for debian ? |
| 07:10.38 | hramrach | ozzloy: you proabably want to look at the syncyng software and see what phones it supports |
| 07:10.53 | Supaplex | olivier: is the one in the mirror not good enough? maybe you can find one by posting a job on the proper debian mailing list (there's one specific for that) |
| 07:11.01 | owen1 | what is the risk of using backports? |
| 07:11.31 | hramrach | ozzloy: but you could get a phone running Linux in which case syncing should be really easy ;-) |
| 07:11.38 | ozzloy | hramrach: thanks |
| 07:11.42 | owen1 | !backport caveat |
| 07:11.43 | dpkg | Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports. |
| 07:11.53 | ozzloy | hramrach: do you know of a list of such phones? |
| 07:12.20 | hramrach | ozzloy: there are certainly such phones but aren't cheap. |
| 07:12.55 | hramrach | And I haven't considered buying a phone lately so I cannot name any from the top of my head |
| 07:12.57 | owen1 | ozzloy: have you heard of open moko? |
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| 07:13.28 | ozzloy | owen1: yeah, they're sold out at the moment |
| 07:13.34 | Supaplex | !tell olivier -about msg |
| 07:13.40 | Supaplex | olivier: lists.debian.org |
| 07:13.52 | Supaplex | !tell olivier -about i-g |
| 07:13.57 | ozzloy | owen1: also a friend of mine got one for a little while and was unable to place a call ever |
| 07:14.00 | owen1 | what does it mean " you will get *all* backports when you upgrade" |
| 07:14.33 | craigevil | uncomment backports install the app you want then comment it |
| 07:14.33 | hramrach | ozzloy: there should be others - or perhaps stuff like PDAs with GSM support |
| 07:15.15 | owen1 | craigevil: ok. |
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| 07:16.21 | DawnLight | for some reason i can't hibernate the laptop with the bpo 2.6.24 kernel. why is this? |
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| 07:16.49 | olivier | merci |
| 07:19.20 | hramrach | well, I will try a newer kernel, perhaps its oom kiler won't be that trigger happy |
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| 07:21.05 | shyam_k | debian dont install sox(i just want rec) by default while its having arecord by default.. so while developing an app which requires to record a sound,which one will be the better one to use? |
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| 07:21.24 | shyam_k | or anyother? |
| 07:21.42 | owen1 | i am installing fintch from backports. i get this warning: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
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| 07:22.09 | owen1 | libpurple0 libsilc-1.1-2 finch pidgin-data libpurple-bin Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? |
| 07:22.30 | \amethyst | !backports key |
| 07:22.30 | dpkg | somebody said backports key was apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 07:23.00 | \amethyst | or follow the directions at http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 07:23.09 | ozzloy | hramrach: thanks |
| 07:23.19 | owen1 | \amethyst: i don't understand this..will read your link now. |
| 07:23.21 | enouf | man_in_ltop: or "/msg dpkg equivs" .. but i wouldn't know if that's the correct way to handle that |
| 07:24.29 | owen1 | \amethyst: that's the instructions i am folowing. i am not sure what do u mean by keyrinp |
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| 07:26.32 | \amethyst | owen1: you have to add the backports.org archive key to your apt keyring |
| 07:26.42 | \amethyst | owen1: otherwise apt won't trust the repository |
| 07:26.53 | \amethyst | owen1: and will give you warnings about the packages |
| 07:27.16 | \amethyst | owen1: the instructions page has three different ways to add the key |
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| 07:27.49 | owen1 | \amethyst: got it. |
| 07:29.01 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:29.19 | \amethyst | isn't the second method given at bpo bad? |
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| 07:30.05 | \amethyst | won't that add every GPG key in any of root's keyrings to the apt keyring ? |
| 07:31.45 | vlt | Hello. I installed the pkg "sshfs". But when I run `sshfs host:/path /path` I get "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory". Any idea why? |
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| 07:34.10 | generic | guys whst this mean inetd[12948]: printer/tcp: bind: Address already in use |
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| 07:34.19 | owen1 | \amethyst: i installed debian-backports-keyring but when i try to install fintch i still get the warning. |
| 07:34.35 | \amethyst | owen1: what's fintch? |
| 07:34.42 | \amethyst | owen1: whatever it is, it's not in debian |
| 07:34.48 | generic | amethyst ? |
| 07:34.56 | psilocybin | in plain terminal, my own ~/bin is set correctly to PATH, but in xterm, it is not set. |
| 07:35.00 | owen1 | \amethyst: it's in debian. it's text-based pidgin. |
| 07:35.03 | generic | why it says printer port is already running |
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| 07:35.26 | \amethyst | owen1: what does apt-cache policy fintch say? |
| 07:35.36 | \amethyst | owen1: if it's over three lines, put it in a pastebin |
| 07:35.48 | kripz_ | what client irc client can i use in debian, i need to start it up as a daemon and join a channel |
| 07:36.02 | owen1 | kripz_: irssi |
| 07:36.09 | owen1 | \amethyst: Unable to locate package fintch |
| 07:36.35 | psilocybin | and in gnome-terminal the same thing. my own ~/bin does not get included in PATH. why? |
| 07:36.39 | \amethyst | owen1: OH |
| 07:36.44 | \amethyst | owen1: 'finch' you mean |
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| 07:36.51 | \amethyst | owen1: that's why I was confused |
| 07:37.21 | owen1 | \amethyst: 1 http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main Packages |
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| 07:37.48 | Sertse | hi |
| 07:37.49 | owen1 | \amethyst: sorry..finch |
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| 07:38.26 | psilocybin | ah, nevermind. |
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| 07:39.09 | owen1 | \amethyst: so apt-cache policy finch returns a few lines. the last one is: 1 http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main Packages |
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| 07:40.03 | \amethyst | owen1: what does apt-key list | grep 16BA136C say? |
| 07:40.31 | owen1 | pub 1024D/16BA136C 2005-08-2 |
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| 07:41.14 | SparFux | Hello. I had a system crash due to jackd / jamin / xmms2. The aptitude database seems to be damaged. Is there a way to automatically repair it? |
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| 07:42.32 | foutrelis | needhelp, bind's fine |
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| 07:42.47 | alphad | bjr |
| 07:42.49 | owen1 | \amethyst: pub 1024D/16BA136C 2005-08-2 |
| 07:43.12 | Supaplex | !lart the lousy tooth breaking dentist |
| 07:43.12 | dpkg | shoves a crumpet down the lousy tooth breaking dentist's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 07:45.01 | foutrelis | pets dpkg on the head |
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| 07:45.27 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 07:45.46 | owen1 | tengulre: hi |
| 07:45.52 | tengulre | how to auto load module when boot box? |
| 07:46.06 | tengulre | i want to auto load tun module in booting time. |
| 07:46.23 | foutrelis | tengulre, add it in /etc/modules |
| 07:46.55 | owen1 | where do i get skype? the website? |
| 07:47.16 | owen1 | is there text-based voip/skype? |
| 07:47.31 | foutrelis | owen1, skype has a debian repo, deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 07:47.47 | owen1 | foutrelis: cool. |
| 07:47.50 | liable | ssmtp roxors |
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| 08:02.04 | ColdFyre | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1213948728193.jpg |
| 08:02.05 | ColdFyre | haha |
| 08:02.13 | ColdFyre | i want that as a bumper sticker |
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| 08:02.26 | foutrelis | ColdFyre, just wow! |
| 08:02.32 | foutrelis | :3 |
| 08:04.44 | foutrelis | Doesn't look that nice as a background though .-. |
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| 08:06.27 | fireba11 | what channel to ask routing/ipsec questions ? ##networking ? |
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| 08:08.10 | Supaplex | fireba11: if the routing/ipsec is limited to debian, it might work here. involve 3rd party systems, and ##networking might have to take the balance. |
| 08:09.49 | hoxu | it won't hurt to ask your question here; you'll get redirected (or ignored:) if no one knows the answer |
| 08:10.29 | Supaplex | falls asleep in sheer overload of blood in the caffination stream |
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| 08:15.25 | szonek | hi, i have a problem with playing wav files.. when i play little longer file with: aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav it works fine but when i try to play shorter file, for example info.wav i get nothing ... info.wav isn't silent |
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| 08:15.38 | fireba11 | Supaplex: well .. i have to build an IPsec tunnel .. the issue is i got a linux-firewall and have to sue a hardware juniper box for the ipsec though .. i'd prefer it to have the box behind my firewall since there are other vpn connections to it already. question is can i just forward the ipsec packages ? the other end is a fixed ip .. |
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| 08:17.28 | wols | port forward the ipsec ports |
| 08:17.39 | fireba11 | wols: and what ports would that be ? |
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| 08:17.44 | Supaplex | don't forget ike :) |
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| 08:18.11 | Supaplex | professor google knows |
| 08:18.19 | fireba11 | nope, i tried already |
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| 08:19.56 | fireba11 | also those morons on the other end use overly tight security and have a certificate on our external IP set .. so i hope that still works forwarded |
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| 08:20.58 | \amethyst | sabgenton: can't you get rid of the backslash and have just one newline? backslash at the end of line is for joining two lines together |
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| 08:21.02 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 08:21.47 | vy | Hi! I've installed gnome-screensaver manually. When I lock screen and then move my mouse, screensaver disappears without prompting for password. How can I make screensaver prompt for password? (BTW, I've logged in gnome session as root.) |
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| 08:22.46 | ttl- | hi |
| 08:22.46 | g00se | Anyone else finding that xfce4 windows 'focus steal'? |
| 08:23.11 | Supaplex | fireba11: http://www.juniper.net/customers/support/index.jsp?from=HomePage-Header-to-Support create a case. if google didn't have the answer wrt to juniper equipment. |
| 08:23.47 | fireba11 | well it's not really juniper specific :-) |
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| 08:24.54 | g00se | vy: have you got the timings right? |
| 08:25.28 | Supaplex | use tcpdump to capture it, or poke the wireshark homepage/wiki. I know they have packet capture samples too. |
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| 08:25.34 | szonek | i have a problem with playing wav files.. when i play little bigger file (size > 100KB) with: aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav it works fine but when i try to play shorter file, for example info.wav i get nothing ... info.wav isn't silent |
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| 08:26.00 | ttl- | Is there a program that is simple to configure that monitors network traffic (up/down volume) on a particular network interface, my provider reports big amounts of data being received/send over my Internet connection and capping my bandwidth... |
| 08:26.35 | ttl- | I'm sure that that is not the case and want some way of checking the amount of data |
| 08:26.43 | wols | ifconfig shows it by default |
| 08:26.48 | wols | or use ipac-ng or such |
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| 08:27.54 | wols | fireba11: google DOES now. port 500 by default |
| 08:28.28 | wols | with NAT and IKE port 4500 |
| 08:28.39 | SparFux | How can I just reinstall a running debian system, that is: select and install all the packages again over the running system to repair the whole package database? |
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| 08:28.43 | therocha | hello! |
| 08:28.56 | therocha | I need help! please |
| 08:29.04 | MacGyverNL | I want to install the Colemak keyboard layout on Debian Etch (using gnome). There are two sets of instructions on the Colemak website, I don't know which one to use. There's a sequence for xmodmap and there's a sequence using xorg.conf. |
| 08:29.29 | wols | !tell SparFux about debian clone |
| 08:29.43 | wols | MacGyverNL: usually xmodmap is used |
| 08:29.51 | g00se | !tell therocha about ask |
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| 08:30.02 | wols | therocha: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 08:30.21 | SparFux | wols: I mean, the package system is broken and I wantto fix it by just creating a new package database over the running system, that I can work with. |
| 08:30.41 | wols | SparFux: broken how? |
| 08:30.50 | therocha | <g00se> I just installed icewm |
| 08:31.01 | SparFux | wols: filesystem crash and dpkg persistently give and error: dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. |
| 08:31.19 | therocha | como hago para ejecutarlo? |
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| 08:31.28 | wols | !es |
| 08:31.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:31.29 | g00se | !es |
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| 08:31.36 | therocha | <g00se> |
| 08:31.36 | therocha | I like to run? |
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| 08:32.07 | wols | therocha: do you use a display manager? |
| 08:32.25 | therocha | :S |
| 08:32.27 | wols | alternatively: ~/.xinitrc |
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| 08:32.46 | therocha | no :( |
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| 08:32.53 | wols | tho: debian uses /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager by default and if you install icewm it's entered there |
| 08:33.11 | MacGyverNL | wols: Thanks. Is this change permanent? |
| 08:33.12 | wols | therocha: what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" |
| 08:33.26 | wols | MacGyverNL: as long as you use the same xmodmap yes |
| 08:33.35 | wols | therocha: what does this ls command say? |
| 08:34.05 | luxh | Supaplex: you could run dpkg --get-selections and then restore with dpkg --set-selections. |
| 08:34.17 | therocha | wols, please moment ... |
| 08:34.29 | wols | luxh: his dpkg crashes... |
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| 08:35.00 | wols | SparFux: /var/backups/dpkg.status.0* has backups of the dpkg DB |
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| 08:35.26 | SparFux | But it seems to be old. It has 4th may on its timestamp. I am trying with it already, though. |
| 08:35.39 | luxh | wols: makay |
| 08:35.54 | wols | therocha: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 what does this say? |
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| 08:36.39 | therocha | wols firts showme /urs/bin/xfwm4 |
| 08:36.51 | SparFux | ok, dist-upgrade will install a lot and update a lot, I think I will just do it. I did this: # apt-get update # apt-cache dumpavail > avail # dpkg --update-avail avail |
| 08:37.01 | SparFux | and now it seems to work.... |
| 08:37.23 | SparFux | if a package is marked purged and I install it again and tehre IS config file, will it be affected? |
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| 08:37.38 | wols | therocha: and the dpkg command? |
| 08:37.52 | wols | SparFux: probably |
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| 08:37.56 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 08:38.08 | wols | SparFux: but it will ask you what to do. overwrite, keep,. etc |
| 08:38.22 | SparFux | Yes, debian will not erase any config stuff without asking, right. |
| 08:38.32 | SparFux | So , I will just always have to say no. dont erase. |
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| 08:39.08 | SparFux | Ok, I go for it! |
| 08:39.30 | therocha | wols and: iizlib1g 1.2.3-13 compression library - runtime |
| 08:39.50 | luxh | SparFux: good luck :) |
| 08:40.10 | SparFux | I am so pissed though. I had my backup, fixed the broken disk, then thought, backup is old, I do a new one, erased it, got the new one, which didn't fit on the disk, then did the new one again on a different disk. And now I realize, I could have my firefox config, if I didnt erase the old backup! :-( |
| 08:40.12 | wols | therocha: that's wrong. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:42.28 | MacGyverNL | I'm running debian etch in the latest vmware player. Yesterday I was still able to arbitrarily resize it and it would apply the new resolution. Now it's stuck on a fixed res. I did run OS updates. Any thoughts? |
| 08:42.59 | wols | MacGyverNL: vmware kernel module? |
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| 08:43.25 | g00se | Has the etch aptitude man fix been fixed? (Can't remember how to ask dpkg) |
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| 08:44.02 | wols | !bugs |
| 08:44.04 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 08:44.06 | wols | !bts |
| 08:44.07 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 08:44.15 | ktne | hello |
| 08:44.24 | ktne | is there any way i can verify the integrity of an .iso file? |
| 08:44.25 | szonek | i have a problem with playing wav files.. when i play little bigger file (size > 100KB) with: aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav it works fine but when i try to play shorter file, for example info.wav i get nothing ... info.wav isn't silent |
| 08:44.26 | g00se | wols: thanks |
| 08:45.13 | g00se | szonek: have you tried with another app? |
| 08:45.53 | szonek | yes,it doesn't work also gnome mplayer and totem |
| 08:45.59 | SparFux | And then I will have to restart my aptitude database. |
| 08:46.05 | szonek | haven't tried with other players |
| 08:46.19 | szonek | also on* |
| 08:46.24 | SparFux | Perhaps it's not so bad to restart firefox config. I am always afraid of having trojan crap or anything in there. |
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| 08:48.21 | g00se | szonek: the smaller ones might be corrupted then |
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| 08:49.34 | szonek | i tried with original /usr/share/sounds/info.wav |
| 08:49.43 | szonek | it didn't work |
| 08:49.50 | szonek | than i downloaded one from ubuntu |
| 08:49.57 | szonek | and it still didn't work |
| 08:50.46 | MacGyverNL | wols: Yeah. |
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| 08:51.10 | MacGyverNL | Got the same answer in #vmware, now I know where to look. |
| 08:52.33 | szonek | g00se: i will try with another one but i think it's unlikly the file is corrupted |
| 08:53.06 | PriitM | is anyone else having trouble getting package libldap2? |
| 08:53.19 | SparFux | Me! Because my system crashed! |
| 08:53.21 | g00se | szonek: you've tried with 3 different apps and none of them plays it? |
| 08:53.27 | szonek | yes |
| 08:53.46 | g00se | szonek: that looks corrupt to me ;-) |
| 08:54.07 | g00se | szonek: (or it's not a wav) |
| 08:54.26 | szonek | could You please send me Your info.wav? |
| 08:54.47 | therocha | <wols> thanks |
| 08:54.51 | therocha | <wols> hasta pronto! :D |
| 08:54.54 | enouf | szonek: aplay plays all .wav files in /usr/share/sounds/ fine here, from 1K - 300K |
| 08:55.32 | g00se | szonek: i don't have one. With which app does that come? |
| 08:55.34 | szonek | i know, it works on my other system |
| 08:55.40 | enouf | i don't either |
| 08:55.57 | szonek | i thought it's packed with gnome |
| 08:56.09 | g00se | szonek: i don't that either |
| 08:56.18 | g00se | (have) |
| 08:56.18 | enouf | i don't use gnome |
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| 08:56.48 | szonek | it doesn't have to be info.wav |
| 08:56.52 | enouf | try other short/small files |
| 08:57.00 | g00se | szonek: you can always send me yours ;-) |
| 08:57.01 | szonek | if you find .wav file smaller than 100KB it will be ok |
| 08:57.07 | szonek | g00se: okay |
| 08:57.20 | g00se | cj AT proteanit DOT net |
| 08:57.59 | enouf | but he's saying no wav files under 100K play |
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| 08:58.14 | szonek | g00se: http://wieszjakjest.pl/info.wav |
| 08:58.24 | enouf | which is just odd |
| 08:58.26 | g00se | enouf: i knwo |
| 08:59.38 | g00se | szonek: that played for mw |
| 08:59.45 | g00se | s/mw/me |
| 08:59.55 | szonek | :| |
| 09:00.08 | SparFux | Is there a way to reinstall all packages for which no files seem to be installed? |
| 09:00.19 | enouf | are you basically saying that it works fine until you play a wav file over 100K ? |
| 09:00.45 | g00se | enouf: i thought the reverse |
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| 09:01.03 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 09:01.37 | rvsjoen | huh |
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| 09:02.43 | szonek | enouf: it works fine with all files bigger than 100KB |
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| 09:03.18 | g00se | szonek: one aural blink and you'll miss that though. Perhaps your speakers are just slow to speak... |
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| 09:04.07 | Bushmills | actually, i recognize the symptom, had something similar here: of wav files, the first bit was missing. |
| 09:04.09 | szonek | the same with the headphones |
| 09:04.38 | szonek | lapBOX sounds # aplay info.wav |
| 09:04.40 | szonek | Playing WAVE 'info.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo |
| 09:04.45 | g00se | szonek: i mean the 'speakers' bit loosely |
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| 09:05.20 | szonek | it worked fine on the same hardware but on ubuntu |
| 09:05.31 | szonek | (now i've got Gentoo.. not Debian) |
| 09:05.32 | Bushmills | only noticed when it "suddenly" didn't have that problem anymore, and my "mail in" sound started differently, playing bits i never heard before |
| 09:05.35 | g00se | szonek: hmm |
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| 09:06.04 | man_in_ltop | i really need to adjust the control file in a package here |
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| 09:07.18 | ay^ | why is it that of all distributions that work properly with both my stationary and portable computer, its debian? What does the debian team do, that no other does? Not even ubuntu works properly. |
| 09:07.18 | man_in_ltop | ubuntu breaks things a lot |
| 09:07.21 | szonek | yep |
| 09:07.25 | ay^ | oops, ..that sentence looked wierd :) |
| 09:08.21 | man_in_ltop | is it possible to edit the control file in a package? |
| 09:08.29 | themill | ay^: You could probably say that Debian's attention to quality is better which is one of the reasons it takes so long to get releases out. |
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| 09:09.25 | ay^ | themill: mkay, cause it's not a bad thing! I have tried opensuse, fedora and ubuntu on my big ol' workstation and none worked properly, but debian just gets the job done |
| 09:09.28 | themill | man_in_ltop: of course. unpack the source, edit, dpkg-buildpackage; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 09:09.31 | enouf | man_in_ltop: try #debian-mentors on oftc.net maybe .. "/msg dpkg nmg" |
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| 09:10.09 | man_in_ltop | themill, doesn't dpkg-buildpackage rebuild from source? |
| 09:10.49 | themill | man_in_ltop: well if you're changing the control file then you probably need to anyway. And since you mentioned ubuntu packages and this is #debian, you almost definitely need to. |
| 09:11.00 | man_in_ltop | i didn't mention ubuntu packages |
| 09:11.09 | themill | [10:07] <man_in_ltop> ubuntu breaks things a lot |
| 09:11.13 | themill | ? |
| 09:11.13 | Bushmills | apt-get source -b does, using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:11.14 | man_in_ltop | i was just saying that ubuntu breaks lots of things, responding to ay^ |
| 09:11.18 | themill | ah |
| 09:11.45 | man_in_ltop | themill, all i need is to adjust my dependencies |
| 09:11.55 | man_in_ltop | it doesn't require a rebuild |
| 09:12.13 | themill | !wayttd man_in_ltop |
| 09:12.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, man_in_ltop? |
| 09:13.03 | man_in_ltop | http://rafb.net/p/vUTpYP53.html << something that looks like that |
| 09:13.29 | man_in_ltop | but when i install the package, it asks for libldap2, which is not installable on unstable |
| 09:13.36 | wols | man_in_ltop: FULL output |
| 09:13.42 | szonek | g00se or enouf any ideas left? ;[ |
| 09:13.57 | man_in_ltop | bah, that's the part that's causing the problem |
| 09:14.07 | wols | but insufficient information |
| 09:14.17 | themill | man_in_ltop: very rarely can you just "adjust dependencies". There is no package libldap-2.4.2 in debian. Try to take a step back and give us a bigger picture. |
| 09:14.34 | wols | themill: I disagree :P |
| 09:14.35 | man_in_ltop | there is libldap-2.4-2 in unstable |
| 09:14.47 | enouf | szonek: not really, got alsa, alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss? |
| 09:14.51 | themill | Did it only go in today? |
| 09:14.56 | wols | often you can just adjust dependencies. but it depends on the dependency itself. it's never cretain |
| 09:15.51 | man_in_ltop | http://rafb.net/p/LJkGWd93.html << trimmed control file |
| 09:16.04 | themill | Ahh libldap-2.4-2 isn't i386.. I see. |
| 09:16.11 | Bushmills | hehe... email over gastropodian carrier: http://www.boredomresearch.net/rsm/snailcam.html |
| 09:16.13 | man_in_ltop | oh, libldap2 is there |
| 09:16.16 | themill | no.. wtf |
| 09:16.20 | enouf | i told him about equivs much earlier |
| 09:16.27 | man_in_ltop | that's odd |
| 09:16.47 | themill | bah... ignore me. I need coffee. |
| 09:16.48 | wols | man_in_ltop: that's exactly the totally WRONG way to do it. and you don't even do what we asked of you |
| 09:16.50 | man_in_ltop | i'm going to have to look at the original control again |
| 09:17.04 | man_in_ltop | wols, really now? |
| 09:17.29 | wols | just removing deps and like in this case the totally wrong ones is just terminally stupid |
| 09:17.44 | man_in_ltop | but there's a duplicate dependency there |
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| 09:17.56 | wols | man_in_ltop: no it's not. learn to read |
| 09:18.03 | themill | man_in_ltop: that's not even the debian package of wine ffs |
| 09:18.04 | man_in_ltop | and this is a package that i'm building myself |
| 09:18.04 | wols | and now you PLEASE do what we asked of you |
| 09:18.30 | man_in_ltop | libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) | libldap-2.4-2 |
| 09:18.46 | wols | man_in_ltop: and NOT what you think we need. either you cooperate with what we want to help you or you can help yourself. those are your choices |
| 09:19.01 | szonek | enouf: yes.. |
| 09:19.07 | man_in_ltop | wols, i don't understand what exactly you're asking for |
| 09:19.19 | slxix | you have the right to remain silent. |
| 09:19.35 | themill | man_in_ltop: Until you can tell is the why and give us more information, we can't help. You seem to be trying to solve the wrong problem. /msg dpkg xyproblem |
| 09:19.43 | SparFux1 | Can I get a list of all my installed packages which have any kind of problem? |
| 09:19.48 | enouf | szonek: see if modprobe -r <yourSoundModule> , then reloading it helps? |
| 09:19.48 | themill | wanders off for coffee |
| 09:20.33 | man_in_ltop | from what i can tell, dpkg-buildpackage added in libldap2 to the deps even when i used -d to tell it not to check dependencies |
| 09:20.43 | wols | SparFux1: apt and dpkg will tell you right quick if there are any problems |
| 09:20.56 | wols | SparFux1: they won't allow you to install or do anything until you fixed those problems |
| 09:21.13 | SparFux1 | wols: but it is one package per line. I would have to copy and past 100 names. There are lines like: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar38' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
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| 09:21.46 | wols | SparFux1: apt-get -f install |
| 09:22.11 | wols | dpkg: FULL dpkg-buildpackage output |
| 09:22.12 | dpkg | wols: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:22.18 | wols | man_in_ltop: ^^ |
| 09:22.24 | SparFux1 | -f doesnt do anything. |
| 09:22.41 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 09:22.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:23.00 | man_in_ltop | that's going to take a LONG time unless you can tell me how to get dpkg-buildpackage to create a package from what's already been compiled |
| 09:23.24 | phorce1 | Blech! php4 dependencies in etch are all hosed up. apt-get install php4-pear (and other php4 stuff) wants to install php5-cli and php5-common |
| 09:23.33 | wols | man_in_ltop: where did you get your wine source? ubuntu, right? |
| 09:23.42 | enouf | i already told you what to do, but you don |
| 09:23.42 | man_in_ltop | wols, no, winehq tarball |
| 09:23.45 | wols | phorce1: what debian branch |
| 09:23.58 | enouf | nm |
| 09:23.59 | phorce1 | wols: etch |
| 09:24.00 | man_in_ltop | i don't touch ubuntu |
| 09:24.15 | wols | man_in_ltop: we have time. next time learn how to ask help properly in the first place. you're not new here, you know how the drill works |
| 09:24.30 | wols | man_in_ltop: what's wrong with Sid wine btw? |
| 09:24.53 | wols | phorce1: full output what commands you use and what it spits out please |
| 09:25.12 | phorce1 | wols: patebin coming up |
| 09:25.15 | wols | etch has php4 still. tho if I were you I'd upgrade to 5 NOW: php4 is dead, buried and a rotting corpse |
| 09:25.16 | man_in_ltop | wols, i'm trying to take over winehq's debian package maintenance |
| 09:25.29 | wols | oh my... |
| 09:26.25 | man_in_ltop | yeah |
| 09:26.33 | man_in_ltop | winehq guys don't like how debian packages wine :) |
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| 09:26.52 | phorce1 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/6964/ |
| 09:27.42 | enouf | there's always someone to blame - scapegoating can be common |
| 09:27.42 | wols | phorce1: apt-cache show php4-pear |
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| 09:28.01 | phorce1 | wols: I will upgrade. It's on a system I'm not ready to yet though. Still use Apache 1.3 as well |
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| 09:30.47 | wols | enouf: for him, equivs is not the right idea btw: he wants to make a package for public consumption |
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| 09:32.00 | enouf | wols: <enouf> man_in_ltop: or "/msg dpkg equivs" .. but i wouldn't know if that's the correct way to handle that |
| 09:32.18 | man_in_ltop | i'd be the first to admit that i don't know exactly what i'm doing here :P |
| 09:32.22 | phorce1 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/6965/ <---- the dependency problem is buried somewhere in the meta-packages that php4-pear depend on. The meta packages now point to php5 packages. I'm not all *THAT* worried about it. Just was venting a bit. Not sure I'll need pear yet anyway. I know how to fix it. Pick hrough the meta packages in the dependency list and install the php4 versions manually. |
| 09:32.34 | wols | enouf: seen it. just telling you for future reference. people might even use equivs then, you never know :) |
| 09:32.44 | man_in_ltop | equivs doesn't look like what i want :) |
| 09:32.53 | enouf | and .. what i was referring to was; <enouf> man_in_ltop: try #debian-mentors on oftc.net maybe .. "/msg dpkg nmg" |
| 09:32.54 | wols | phorce1: but it's tedous :) |
| 09:33.08 | wols | yes, nmg otoh is a excellent idea |
| 09:33.28 | streuner | Someone using gnash plugin mozilla and it works for youtube? |
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| 09:34.06 | wols | streuner: an anyone question? sheesh |
| 09:34.12 | phorce1 | wols: very. the dependencies SHOULD point directly to the php4 versions. Lenny will be stable soon enough that worrying about sending in bug reports seems pointless. |
| 09:34.23 | wols | streuner: from what I remember some videos work, some don't. hit+miss |
| 09:34.28 | streuner | wols: no, that's (yes,no) question :-) |
| 09:34.41 | wols | streuner: it a shit question and you know it |
| 09:34.59 | streuner | wols: hm, how did you ask this question then? |
| 09:35.08 | enouf | i've found devscripts pbuilder debuild can be an awesome trio ;-) |
| 09:35.35 | streuner | s/did/would/ |
| 09:35.41 | enouf | what question? :-P |
| 09:35.44 | wols | I've got a problem with gnash x.y.z where I get the following error z when I try to watch youtube video foo |
| 09:36.12 | wols | streuner: rule of thumb never have a question with "anyone" or "someone" on irc |
| 09:36.30 | streuner | wols: well, you would ask this question that way, but you wouldn't need to ask then... |
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| 09:36.54 | CoolCold | hi |
| 09:36.54 | wols | depends on the error |
| 09:36.55 | enouf | wols: i think he doesn't have it yet installed, or tried |
| 09:37.12 | enouf | wants to know upfront :-P |
| 09:37.16 | themill | phorce1: just install php4 first (or with the same command) and it will work fine. |
| 09:37.22 | wols | enouf: then he shouldn't ask. if he's too lazy to check for himself why should we do his work for him? |
| 09:37.27 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.34 | enouf | streuner: Flash sucks ass . .. ok? :-) |
| 09:37.45 | g00se | I find that xfce4 windows 'focus steal'. Is this a known issue? |
| 09:37.48 | CoolCold | in the log i can see that even swap space was exceeded |
| 09:37.52 | streuner | enouf: tell news |
| 09:37.53 | wols | alternatively you could maybe ask "what is the best 64bit capable flash plugin to watch youtube?" "do I need sid versions for it?" |
| 09:38.08 | CoolCold | is it possible to identify process which eated so much ram? |
| 09:38.18 | wols | CoolCold: obviously swapspace must be exceeded for OOM killer to trigger |
| 09:38.20 | CoolCold | in normal mode, i have 1-2 gb of free memory.... |
| 09:38.55 | phorce1 | themill: that's actually where the problem started (and I figured out how to get around it). If php4 has never been installed on an etch system with apache 1.3.x then apt-get install php4 tries to install apache2 and php5 |
| 09:39.06 | wols | CoolCold: what was the last process killed? |
| 09:39.27 | CoolCold | wols: this is short log http://paste.org.ru/?twoe7p |
| 09:39.30 | wols | CoolCold: oom killer simply kills any process that allocates memory when there is no more mem availanble |
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| 09:39.34 | enouf | wols: not necessarily, but it depends on the /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio and /overcommit_accounting settings, but i know what you meant ;-) |
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| 09:39.44 | themill | phorce1: umm... no it doesn't. I've done it many times before. |
| 09:39.49 | wols | enouf: depend how? |
| 09:40.18 | enouf | wols: swap the physical amount != total amt available |
| 09:40.50 | enouf | gah, s/the/plus |
| 09:40.51 | wols | you mean swap+phys mem != max mem |
| 09:40.56 | enouf | yes |
| 09:41.04 | phorce1 | themill: I had to start by installing libapache-mod-php4 by itself --- then some of the other php4 install stuff worked, but not all |
| 09:41.09 | wols | what determines max mem then? |
| 09:41.16 | enouf | those settings |
| 09:41.21 | enouf | in those files |
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| 09:41.33 | enouf | for ex; mines 75% and 2 |
| 09:41.53 | wols | damn allocate vs commit |
| 09:42.05 | themill | phorce1: aptitude install apache php4 is sufficient. |
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| 09:42.17 | wols | so what happens if I allocate with malloc, then try to commit it and it can't work since there is not enough? |
| 09:42.25 | pbn | Hello, is there some Debian package which will print Perl code on a printer with syntax highlighting ? |
| 09:42.28 | enouf | rright , cat /proc/meminfo shows it |
| 09:42.29 | themill | phorce1: adding in libapache-mod-php4 can help though if you know that's how you want to use php |
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| 09:42.43 | g00se | streuner: ever successfully ripped Fl/gnash sound? |
| 09:42.50 | themill | pbn: any good text editor can do that. (I use Kate or Kwrite) |
| 09:42.55 | CoolCold | enouf: what 75% mean? we can tell application we have memory larger than phisically for 175% or what? |
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| 09:43.00 | enouf | wols: oom kicks in |
| 09:43.04 | phorce1 | themill: apache has been installed and running for several months. I just wanted to add php4 to play with a few things. |
| 09:43.06 | streuner | g00se: didn't try that |
| 09:43.40 | wols | enouf: ok, I have 1MB RAM and my apps currently use 800kb which is actually used. now my program allocates another 400kB. SInce it's less than overcommit charge, this is fine right? |
| 09:44.13 | wols | so now my program knows "I own this memory, let's use it" and writes 400kb of junk in it. what happens now |
| 09:44.18 | g00se | streuner: is gnash backported to etch? |
| 09:44.38 | streuner | g00se: packages.debian.org/gnash |
| 09:44.47 | g00se | streuner: thanks |
| 09:45.15 | phorce1 | themill: I can't get it to repeat now because I have php4 installed but when I first typed 'apt-get install php4' it said 'The following will be installed: php5-common php5-cli apache2-common apache2(other stuff)' <--- adjusted for poor short term memory ;-) |
| 09:45.35 | streuner | g00se: iam using sid, btw... |
| 09:45.50 | enouf | wols: 800K + 400K is more than 1MB ;-) now, yes, then it'll hit swap .. (also according to /swappiness and such) , but if you have only say 50 as a percent, you and your swap was say 500K , add 1M RAM, then the limit would be hit |
| 09:46.10 | streuner | g00se: hm, there is an experiemental version |
| 09:46.37 | enouf | since really, you have 750K total allocated (50% total of 1MB + 500K ) |
| 09:46.43 | wols | enouf: I mean 1MB memory total. swap and physram of course |
| 09:46.48 | enouf | oh |
| 09:47.10 | wols | ie, you are ove allocated 200kB but sinec it's not committed it's no problem, yet |
| 09:47.24 | wols | but then you actually commit it and OOM killer starts working |
| 09:47.30 | enouf | well, you get what i'm saying .. it would depend how much (of both PHYS + SWAP) is allocated according to those settings |
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| 09:48.00 | enouf | wols: right |
| 09:48.13 | g00se | streuner: i think it says there's a version for i386 in etch-backports |
| 09:48.24 | CoolCold | well, so is any way to detect who eat all ram?;) |
| 09:48.33 | streuner | g00se: 0.8.2 |
| 09:48.45 | streuner | g00se: but not 0.8.3 rc2 |
| 09:48.54 | enouf | CoolCold: top , then 'M' |
| 09:49.11 | enouf | look at VIRT and RES columns |
| 09:49.17 | phorce1 | is going to take a nap before the phones come back on in 2 hours. php4 bashing can wait. |
| 09:49.21 | themill | phorce1: ok, just testing it out in a clean chroot... and apt-get install php4 will try to pull in apache2 (but not php5) because the alternatives specify the apache2 php4 module before the apache1.3 version; apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 works just fine though. |
| 09:49.22 | wols | CoolCold: not likely since the process was killed most probably |
| 09:49.24 | CoolCold | enouf: well, that was at 5 am, i have no time machine to go back and use top ;) |
| 09:49.36 | enouf | oh .. lmao ..heh |
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| 09:49.39 | wols | CoolCold: statsserver is the most llkely culprit |
| 09:50.07 | wols | cause OOM stopped after killing it, suggesting it found the one that ate all the ram |
| 09:50.14 | CoolCold | wols: does "free=971416" means we freed such amount of ram ? |
| 09:50.43 | phorce1 | themill: Something I have here tried to pull php5 as well --- oh, try to install php4-pear |
| 09:50.49 | wols | no it means that amount is currently free |
| 09:50.57 | enouf | CoolCold: you could also try a util like this to keep a close eye on things; http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ <--read that, then click 'meminfo' link at way bottom |
| 09:51.06 | CoolCold | wols: rather strange.. |
| 09:51.13 | phorce1 | themill: after installing libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 09:52.04 | CoolCold | i can see a lot of Jun 20 04:56:03 shard kernel: Total swap = 3999992kB ||| Jun 20 04:56:03 shard kernel: Free swap: 36kB |
| 09:52.30 | g00se | streuner: Do you think that's going to be better (ethics aside) than flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 09:52.33 | wols | CoolCold: pretty self explanatory, no? |
| 09:52.54 | themill | phorce1: that's a little screwy. Anyway, my advice to you would be not to waste time on either php4 or apache1.3 at this time but move up to apache2.2 and php5 since both the others are well past EOL. |
| 09:53.06 | streuner | g00se: we are using Debian :-) |
| 09:53.25 | Jacob_H | could someone please remind me of the command to find out why a package is being kept back? |
| 09:53.56 | CoolCold | wols: not for me - we had 4gb of swap, so statserv should eat it all, but after killing statserv we have only 917mb free |
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| 09:54.14 | enouf | wols: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt#L1445 (i was trying to say, with 2 set though, it won't actually try to overcommit then) so oom isn't called |
| 09:54.23 | CoolCold | but mb i miss smth |
| 09:54.30 | enouf | CoolCold: see that too |
| 09:54.30 | aleksanteri | what are those "super cow powers" apt-get mentions in it's help output's last line? |
| 09:54.36 | g00se | streuner: that's why i said 'ethics aside' ;-) |
| 09:54.59 | streuner | non-free flash stuff is PITA, uses lots of CPU power |
| 09:55.12 | phorce1 | themill: I still have some sarge machines running that I'm twitchy about trying to upgrade because of the things they have on them. In house, not net facing so I'm not worried about exploits. I tend to leave stuff alone that "just works". I wanted php4 on this particular machine to test something before I install it on one of the in-house sarge machines that is still running 1.3 and php4 |
| 09:55.24 | g00se | streuner: right - interesting |
| 09:55.36 | CoolCold | enouf: okay, 10x |
| 09:55.53 | themill | phorce1: remember that there are lots of incompatibilities between the different php4.x versions too... |
| 09:55.54 | wols | CoolCold: when statsserver constantly allocates memory this would not be in swap since it's in use then. it would be main memory |
| 09:56.03 | wols | the OTHER apps would be pushed to swap |
| 09:56.15 | wols | streuner: that will change actually |
| 09:56.39 | wols | phorce1: I'd use a VM for such cases |
| 09:56.48 | wols | !moo |
| 09:56.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 09:56.56 | enouf | wols: flash is finally going to the toilet? ;-P |
| 09:57.03 | phorce1 | themill: but I should be able to upgrade the php4 on the in-house machine if necessary. Maybe the experiment will kick me into gear to upgrade the whole machine. |
| 09:57.08 | kringalf | aleksanteri, try apt-get moo |
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| 09:57.14 | CoolCold | rather strange.. |
| 09:57.23 | aleksanteri | so it's some osrt of a joke? |
| 09:57.30 | wols | flash will finally use more than the 80386 integer instructions it uses right now |
| 09:57.34 | CoolCold | that was 5 am and all developers slept, no one used ab or other tests |
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| 09:58.01 | themill | phorce1: that would definitely be a plan... php4 is swiss cheese anyway so I'd be worried about it even internally. |
| 09:58.04 | phorce1 | wols: I have a STACK of unused machines in here. Rather than build a VM environment I just grab a fresh drive and stuff it in a box for testing stuff |
| 09:58.06 | CoolCold | oom killer killed mysql which used by cacti, so i have no cpu/la/traffic graphs ;( |
| 09:58.08 | enouf | CoolCold: cron jobs? |
| 09:58.09 | aleksanteri | s/osrt/sort/ |
| 09:58.24 | kringalf | aleksanteri, a so called "easter egg" |
| 09:58.32 | aleksanteri | right.. |
| 09:58.34 | enouf | eggy! |
| 09:58.50 | CoolCold | enouf: potentially yes, i'll check it |
| 09:59.13 | phorce1 | wols: That way if I want to "save" the epxperiment I just pull the drive, label which machine I built the OS on, and stick it on a shelf. |
| 09:59.18 | CoolCold | there are a lot of crontabs on that box because of ovz containers.. |
| 10:00.21 | Sysctl | Any of you folks know much about how nfs works? does it buffer data? |
| 10:00.50 | Sysctl | for example, would it work fine to have a share on an nfs server mounted and used for apache logs? |
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| 10:01.30 | msshams | hi, when i try to apt-get install -f it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21592/ can you please help me? |
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| 10:02.59 | Sysctl | msshams: I'd probably flush that postfix installation and try again |
| 10:03.08 | Sysctl | purge it completely tho |
| 10:03.40 | Sysctl | either that, or you could try "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" yourself |
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| 10:06.03 | g00se | streuner: etch-backport gnash wants to update base-files. Any idea what could be going on there? |
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| 10:08.00 | wols | msshams: what debian is this? |
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| 10:08.11 | pozic | Can I view the Debian BTS in some better way than via the web? I am not interested in seeing bugs that are > 1 year old. |
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| 10:08.29 | torrrrrrrrr | when linux backing up windows does it backup the whole drive enabling desaster recovery? |
| 10:08.34 | wols | if the bug is unresolved? |
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| 10:08.45 | themill | g00se: use apt-listchanges to see the changes; basically, it's just adding in GPLv3 to the list of licences |
| 10:08.46 | wols | torrrrrrrrr: depends on how you backup |
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| 10:09.30 | torrrrrrrrr | wols: I look for a method now |
| 10:09.47 | wols | dd, g4u, etc |
| 10:10.00 | msshams | wols: etch |
| 10:10.44 | pozic | wols: a sort by date would be ok too. |
| 10:11.17 | wols | msshams: makealiases is part of courier-mta... |
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| 10:11.31 | torrrrrrrrr | what is the best way to backup the office? |
| 10:11.39 | wols | !best |
| 10:11.39 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:11.54 | wols | I'd suggest Aretha of course |
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| 10:12.13 | msshams | wols: so |
| 10:12.42 | torrrrrrrrr | best= incremental, over the network + create disk image from that that you can just slap on a disk and have exact copy of a failed disk |
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| 10:13.22 | wols | msshams: pastebin your /usr/bin/newaliases |
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| 10:13.29 | themill | torrrrrrrrr: rsnapshot is good for that |
| 10:13.58 | torrrrrrrrr | I forgot+good for backing windows too |
| 10:14.00 | jelly | themill: except the image bit |
| 10:14.22 | wols | torrrrrrrrr: a streamer and tar |
| 10:14.27 | torrrrrrrrr | themill: is that good for backing windows? |
| 10:14.35 | themill | jelly: depends what you mean by image. In that context it sounds like an image. |
| 10:14.56 | ^shark_ | hi friends, i am running v5.0 in etch and i am getting this warning >> http://www.pastebin.ca/1051827. I want to know what it means and how i can fix this. |
| 10:14.57 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: do you need a block-exact copy, or just all the files and a bootable system? |
| 10:15.05 | ^shark_ | v5.0 of mysql |
| 10:15.18 | torrrrrrrrr | wols: a streamer and tar isn't incremental , I think |
| 10:15.53 | wols | ^shark_: where is a warning there? |
| 10:16.05 | wols | but it's certainly "best" |
| 10:16.09 | themill | torrrrrrrrr: If you can mount the remote machine via cifs on the backup machine then it would work. |
| 10:16.30 | torrrrrrrrr | jelly: I don't need block exact though it wouldn't hurt if it can be incremental. Also i do need all the security data of NTFS files to be preserved |
| 10:16.46 | ^shark_ | wols:Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 10:16.55 | wols | that is no warning |
| 10:17.00 | wols | read it again |
| 10:17.27 | themill | ^shark_: "checking" != "found" |
| 10:17.40 | msshams | wols: /usr/sbin/makealiases -src=/etc/aliases |
| 10:17.40 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: #debian doesn't sound like the best place to ask about proper windows-capable backup software |
| 10:18.14 | ^shark_ | themill: i dont understand!? |
| 10:18.19 | wols | msshams: that is not what I asked. I asked for /usr/bin/newaliases itself. with postfix this is a binary, not a script |
| 10:18.19 | kringalf | best way to take care of windows is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/windowspartition ;) |
| 10:18.30 | wols | msshams: so the question is: what is this shit and where does it come from |
| 10:18.30 | torrrrrrrrr | jelly: unless there are debian programs that do it |
| 10:18.57 | msshams | wols: what? |
| 10:19.05 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: and users here that know about them |
| 10:19.09 | kringalf | torrrrrrrrr, so you think apt, dpkg, aptitute or anything like that can do that? |
| 10:19.25 | wols | msshams: what don't you understand? |
| 10:19.50 | wols | amanda is a cross platform backup iirc |
| 10:19.52 | jelly | kringalf: do you have anything useful to contribute to this discussion? |
| 10:20.07 | torrrrrrrrr | jelly: thanks |
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| 10:20.27 | pozic | Is the security problem that was recently found in FF3 and probably also in Iceweasel revolved? |
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| 10:20.31 | hoxu | !nickometer torrrrrrrrr |
| 10:20.33 | dpkg | 'torrrrrrrrr' is 0.000% lame, hoxu |
| 10:20.53 | pozic | resolved* |
| 10:20.58 | torrrrrrrrr | nicometer? |
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| 10:20.59 | wols | pozic: does iceweasel 2.x have a security problem? |
| 10:21.06 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: don't thank me, I know not of a decent free backup software that works with NT systems. :-) |
| 10:21.07 | pozic | wols: I am talking about 3.0 |
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| 10:21.20 | pozic | wols: that's also already available. |
| 10:21.20 | wols | pozic: there is no 3.0 in debian. sid has no security updates |
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| 10:21.37 | wols | pozic: and last but not least has mozilla.com itself fixed itß |
| 10:21.39 | wols | ? |
| 10:21.45 | torrrrrrrrr | jelly: I thanked you for your reply to kringalf, I was too upset to answer |
| 10:21.51 | pozic | wols: I have no idea. |
| 10:22.03 | wols | pozic: then ask them |
| 10:22.35 | pozic | wols: I am not that interested. I will just wait. |
| 10:23.17 | kringalf | jelly, probably as usefull as asking those questions in #debian, i mean i wouldn't go to a mercedes showroom asking about bmw cars |
| 10:23.35 | wols | kringalf: you're just trolling. please stop it |
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| 10:24.31 | kringalf | but if you realy need a hint, since windows does care in some parts in what specific block an information is stored it would be usefull to just use software like dd if you want it in a "real" linux env. if you use stuff like acronis you still got a bit linux and can create good images from windows machines |
| 10:24.47 | tingle | oi, im running debtian etch (4.0) and i would like to try out iceweasel 3. what is the cleanest way of installing iceweasel 3? just getting the .deb somewhere? |
| 10:25.08 | hoxu | !firefox 3 in etch |
| 10:25.13 | hoxu | !firefox 3 etch |
| 10:25.13 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 10:25.14 | wols | tingle: to not use it. iceweasel 3 is only in sid |
| 10:25.26 | kringalf | since rsync via cifs would never store real permission informations |
| 10:25.50 | tingle | wols: it is to unstable to try? |
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| 10:26.10 | kringalf | only way i could think of is dd, but you might get issues with new harddrives, also its not incremental |
| 10:26.12 | wols | tingle: it will hose your system since you'd get sid dependencies |
| 10:26.21 | hoxu | tingle, my suggestion: go for opera 9.5 meanwhile ;) |
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| 10:26.29 | wols | mixing etch+sid = baaaad mojo |
| 10:26.38 | tingle | hoxu: i cant get flash to work in opera ;) else i would have hehe |
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| 10:26.51 | wols | tingle: what is it you must have from ffox3? |
| 10:26.51 | kringalf | wols, better? :) |
| 10:26.59 | DawnLight | how do i see the UID of a drive? |
| 10:27.10 | msshams | i get this message from apt. plz tell me what do i do? The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:27.11 | msshams | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.16 | hoxu | tingle, got to admit I always had the problem that when one tab with flash applet is closed, rest of them stop running... flash plugin sucks :( |
| 10:27.16 | tingle | wols: nothing really just want to see what all the fuzz is about |
| 10:27.23 | wols | !tell DawnLight about uuid |
| 10:27.23 | hoxu | tingle, not sure about 9.50 though |
| 10:27.33 | jelly | tingle: [opera and flash] use the static-qt build |
| 10:27.33 | kringalf | msshams, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:27.34 | tingle | hoxu: i got the same problem whit iceweasel |
| 10:27.39 | wols | msshams: you should dist-upgrade |
| 10:27.47 | tingle | jelly: static-qt? |
| 10:28.07 | jelly | tingle: on Opera's download page, "Other DEB" |
| 10:28.11 | torrrrrrrrr | I'll google a bit about rsnaptshot |
| 10:28.22 | tingle | jelly: thanks ill have look |
| 10:28.57 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: like kringalf so helpfully mentioned, rsnapshot probably won't save your NTFS ACLs. |
| 10:29.24 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: (rsnapshot is a wrapper for rsync) |
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| 10:29.44 | jelly | torrrrrrrrr: try ##windows as well |
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| 10:31.12 | torrrrrrrrr | ok |
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| 10:35.56 | lnostdal | hum .. where did gdebi go? |
| 10:36.02 | lnostdal | "No candidate version found for gdebi" |
| 10:36.26 | V4Nelle | guys how can i disable "update notifier" on debian? |
| 10:36.32 | lnostdal | (lenny) |
| 10:36.40 | themill | !why is gdebi not in testing |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | gdebi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gdebi |
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| 10:37.09 | wols | why are people constantly running testing and unstable but no clue how to use them? |
| 10:37.17 | lnostdal | thanks, themill |
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| 10:38.36 | enouf | !sns |
| 10:38.37 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 10:39.33 | lnostdal | "how to use them?". .. waddayoumean? .. i'm using lenny/testing right now |
| 10:39.42 | DawnLight | how do i see the UID of a drive? |
| 10:40.10 | enouf | DawnLight: wols sent dpkg to tell you |
| 10:40.30 | themill | lnostdal: a user of testing should know (a) how to run apt-cache policy gdebi to see what the story is and then (b) having noted that it's in etch and sid but not lenny, look on the qa site to investigate why. |
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| 10:41.10 | lnostdal | ok, anything else i should know? .. any page where this info. is collected or anything |
| 10:41.40 | enouf | do /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:41.44 | enouf | to start |
| 10:41.49 | lnostdal | "don't try testing if blabla" .. whatever .. nevermind, and tanks again |
| 10:41.56 | lnostdal | thanks* |
| 10:42.35 | themill | lnostdal: you should also use apt-listchanges and be on d-d-a (ask dpkg about both of them) |
| 10:43.06 | enouf | uses apt-listchanges |
| 10:43.35 | lnostdal | oh .. apt-listchanges .. that _sounds_ like something i've been missing |
| 10:44.18 | themill | lnostdal: you might also want to investigate apt-listbugs |
| 10:44.27 | enouf | even apt-listbugs :-P |
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| 10:44.40 | enouf | !win themill |
| 10:44.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 10:44.47 | lnostdal | rofl |
| 10:44.48 | lnostdal | :) |
| 10:44.55 | themill | lucky me |
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| 10:51.10 | man_in_ltop | ooh, spam is fun |
| 10:51.48 | DawnLight | i've a hdd via usb and it doesn't make a file in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ . i want this drive to automount in a specific location when it is plugged in and unmount when i pull it out. is this possible? |
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| 10:52.55 | DawnLight | wols: help? |
| 10:53.03 | man_in_ltop | hmm, my dpkg-buildpackage log doesn't seem to include anything about adding additional deps into my control file :( |
| 10:53.23 | enouf | DawnLight: try usbmount |
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| 10:53.28 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 10:53.41 | DawnLight | enouf: thanks |
| 10:54.02 | szonek | enouf: sorry i've been away.. |
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| 10:54.27 | szonek | enouf: i'm wondering what is the name of this modul |
| 10:54.29 | szonek | e |
| 10:54.53 | enouf | i'd rather you stay there ;-P it's an annoying thing to try and debug from here |
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| 10:55.22 | man_in_ltop | ooohhh i think i see the problem |
| 10:55.24 | Haris1 | !sources.list |
| 10:55.24 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 10:55.27 | themill | man_in_ltop: dpkg-buildpackage doesn't add in extra dependencies; that's the package maintainer job. Are you saying that the control file is being changed during build? That's bad. |
| 10:55.53 | enouf | szonek: ~$ ls -l /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ |
| 10:55.57 | man_in_ltop | dpkg-buildpackage is running dh_shlibs, and i think i just saw where it's doing it too |
| 10:55.58 | enouf | one of those ;-) |
| 10:56.20 | sturek_ | this might not be the place for this question, but blabla. Anyhow: I would like to send sms's with skype. I do have the latest version, and it should work -- but uhuh? |
| 10:56.21 | szonek | HDA Intel |
| 10:56.28 | enouf | !tell szonek -about which driver |
| 10:56.42 | enouf | yep, snd-hda-intel then |
| 10:57.00 | man_in_ltop | i really wish there was a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage that i've already compiled the package, and that it just needs to be installed |
| 10:57.15 | man_in_ltop | *make installed |
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| 10:57.34 | jelly | man_in_ltop: why not just run make -f debian/rules binary |
| 10:57.39 | jelly | man_in_ltop: ... manually |
| 10:58.05 | man_in_ltop | oh ok |
| 10:58.08 | man_in_ltop | thanks :) |
| 10:58.08 | jelly | man_in_ltop: you seem not to have a correct idea of what dpkg-buildpackage does (and it's not much) |
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| 10:58.18 | enouf | all dpkg-buildpackage does is run the .mk files IIRC |
| 10:58.41 | man_in_ltop | jelly, apparently, yes |
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| 10:58.57 | jelly | man_in_ltop: reading the new maintainers guide might be in order |
| 10:59.12 | szonek | enouf: Intel CorporationLenovo 3000 N100 Audio (Intel HDA)snd-hda-intel |
| 10:59.15 | szonek | :) |
| 10:59.16 | enouf | (mentioned ~5 times now) |
| 10:59.19 | szonek | will try this |
| 10:59.25 | man_in_ltop | i did try that once, and i got caught up in writing the control file |
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| 10:59.51 | SparFux | Man, do I have severe problems with my debian. |
| 10:59.54 | szonek | enouf: it isn't listed in lsmod but sound works.. ? |
| 10:59.54 | jelly | man_in_ltop: control and rules are where all the fun in making a package is. |
| 11:00.03 | enouf | szonek: odd |
| 11:00.23 | enouf | szonek: snd_hda_intel ? |
| 11:00.24 | szonek | enouf: maybe drivers are distribution specific? i'm on Gentoo |
| 11:00.24 | man_in_ltop | it got complicated trying to write the control file from scratch |
| 11:00.37 | enouf | szonek: lmao |
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| 11:00.44 | enouf | wtfbbq! |
| 11:00.48 | SparFux | I managed to reconstruct my packages database. Now I have a "clean" install again. |
| 11:00.49 | szonek | enouf: nothing with hda |
| 11:00.57 | kripz | how to delete all files ending with .db? rm -R *.db? |
| 11:01.04 | enouf | go away |
| 11:01.06 | jelly | man_in_ltop: so steal from someone elses debian/ dir |
| 11:01.14 | szonek | enouf: ? ;[ |
| 11:01.21 | enouf | go! |
| 11:01.24 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:01.29 | SparFux | There is static content in every distribution. How can I check the integrity of this, liek binaries and libs and docs? Is there a debian way? Or how can I reinstall all static content on my fs? |
| 11:01.34 | man_in_ltop | jelly, i think that's what the problem was ;) |
| 11:01.38 | szonek | :| |
| 11:01.42 | man_in_ltop | just transferring the latest package over the network |
| 11:02.01 | enouf | szonek: likely compiled into the kernel then - now .. only ask about debian here from now on |
| 11:02.04 | szonek | enouf: i'm kind of newbie so i just don't know.. tried gentoo to learn something |
| 11:02.05 | man_in_ltop | there we go |
| 11:02.21 | enouf | so see #gentoo and ##linux |
| 11:02.22 | szonek | enouf: okay |
| 11:03.18 | enouf | kripz: find with xargs rm |
| 11:03.46 | szonek | enouf: sorry for problem, didn't know it's such a divided community |
| 11:04.15 | enouf | szonek: it's not divided - just specific ;-) |
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| 11:04.53 | szonek | ah i see, okay |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'read-edid' returned no results. |
| 11:05.08 | Haris1 | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room <- how can I increase it? |
| 11:05.18 | enouf | dpkg: did you fart? |
| 11:05.19 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, enouf |
| 11:05.33 | jelly | !tell Haris1 -about dynamic mmap |
| 11:05.34 | enouf | !mmap |
| 11:05.34 | szonek | enouf: debian will be next distro i'm installing on my laptop so probably we will meet again ;P |
| 11:05.34 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 11:05.47 | enouf | !tie jelly |
| 11:05.50 | szonek | enouf: ..knowing my luck |
| 11:06.05 | enouf | (he typed a lot more than me though :-P) |
| 11:06.09 | jelly | enouf: it goes straight through, jelly is amorphous. |
| 11:06.20 | enouf | ooo sexy :-P |
| 11:06.43 | Haris1 | wE: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk at end of file |
| 11:06.58 | Haris1 | I did a echo E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk at end of file |
| 11:07.00 | Haris1 | oops |
| 11:07.00 | man_in_ltop | yay |
| 11:07.14 | enouf | what are you messing with apt.conf for? |
| 11:07.16 | Haris1 | I did a echo APT::Cache-Limit 12582912 > apt.conf in /etc/apt/ |
| 11:07.26 | man_in_ltop | that was my problem, not reading the control file while not tired |
| 11:07.27 | enouf | ok then |
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| 11:07.34 | Haris1 | it has only one line, how can it have an error on line 2? |
| 11:07.57 | Haris1 | syntax error? |
| 11:08.00 | enouf | EOF ... but wtf is that 2 there? |
| 11:08.09 | jelly | Haris1: you suck at echoing? |
| 11:08.16 | enouf | cat -A |
| 11:08.17 | Haris1 | maybe |
| 11:08.28 | themill | Haris1: you missed the ; |
| 11:08.32 | Haris1 | there is a $ sign at the end |
| 11:08.39 | enouf | that |
| 11:08.40 | Haris1 | themill: :p |
| 11:08.46 | enouf | that;s good |
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| 11:08.58 | themill | !typosmite enouf |
| 11:08.58 | dpkg | makes enouf raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
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| 11:09.27 | enouf | hits enter a thousand times ... catches Nyle :-P |
| 11:09.43 | kripz | how to escape whitespace when using find? |
| 11:10.14 | jelly | kripz: care for an example? |
| 11:10.19 | enouf | -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 11:10.27 | jelly | !using find |
| 11:10.28 | dpkg | using find is probably http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 11:10.58 | jelly | goes with the generic answer for find and hopes for the best |
| 11:11.00 | kripz | thanks enouf |
| 11:11.20 | enouf | kripz: see that url jelly gave ya |
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| 11:12.27 | kripz | find . -name '*.temp' -print | xargs rm # Don't do this! |
| 11:12.29 | kripz | ;p; |
| 11:12.30 | kripz | lol* |
| 11:12.32 | kripz | too late |
| 11:12.39 | enouf | what i showed is really to combat MPoop Filenames that usually contain whitespace in them (and other assorted sundries) |
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| 11:12.51 | janne-5011 | can I concider it safe enough open a port for ssh with root login disabled? |
| 11:13.17 | jelly | !why is wine not in testing |
| 11:13.17 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 11:13.33 | jelly | kripz: thank you for playing :-D |
| 11:14.10 | wols | kripz: for stuff like this people can get banned |
| 11:14.14 | petemc | janne-5011: its as secure as your passwords |
| 11:14.33 | themill | (or your rsa keys...) |
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| 11:15.00 | janne-5011 | kk thanks |
| 11:16.02 | kripz | wols what are you talking about? |
| 11:16.10 | enouf | wols: ? |
| 11:17.09 | SparFux | Puh, finally I have recovered most of the stuff. |
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| 11:19.54 | DawnLight | i've a hdd via usb and it doesn't make a file in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ . i want this drive to automount in a specific location when it is plugged in and unmount when i pull it out. is this possible? the usbmount package doesn't seem to be configurable enough for this |
| 11:20.21 | zinx | uuid is filesystem-specific |
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| 11:20.48 | zinx | there is a /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 11:21.07 | zinx | which is based on the drive identification rather than the filesystem info |
| 11:21.20 | zinx | (and has -partX variants) |
| 11:22.02 | janne-5011 | one more question how can I get my MACadress in terminal? |
| 11:22.20 | kripz | ifconfig |
| 11:22.26 | zinx | /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep HWaddr |
| 11:22.34 | janne-5011 | i dont have ifconfig command |
| 11:22.42 | themill | janne-5011: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:22.52 | janne-5011 | ok I try it themill |
| 11:23.13 | janne-5011 | worked=9 |
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| 11:31.10 | enouf | DawnLight: you can add your own symlink in /dev/disk/by-uuid, but udev rules, hal and dbus should be doing that for you |
| 11:31.26 | enouf | DawnLight: run "locate writing_udev_rules" |
| 11:31.49 | enouf | !tell DawnLight -about automount |
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| 11:40.30 | enouf | DawnLight: naturally, in /by-path too :-P |
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| 11:41.31 | enouf | er, i think i meant; /by-label |
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| 11:53.00 | spaceninja | is EVERYTHING in the debian installation installed through apt? |
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| 11:54.10 | Haris1 | what will aptitude dist_upgrade do? |
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| 11:54.20 | Haris1 | dist-upgrade |
| 11:54.27 | aleksanteri | !dist-upgrade |
| 11:54.27 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
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| 11:55.06 | Eulex | spaceninja, well, initially, so-called udebs are used to install a very minimal functional system. but after that, all normal debian packages. |
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| 11:56.16 | spaceninja | Eulex: so If I don't choose anything from the category menu during the installation, I will only get udebs packages? |
| 11:57.10 | hifi | was iceweasel 3.0b5 taken out from experimental? |
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| 11:57.23 | Haris1 | I am installing php5 and php5-* and its giving me a big list of upgrades and with that a big score in minus for dependencies |
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| 11:57.37 | Haris1 | upgrades/downgrades |
| 11:57.44 | Eulex | spaceninja, I don't think so |
| 11:58.24 | rann | hi all, i'm in the process of deciding what distro to run on my ppc box. debian 4r3 is a good candidate, however, is the openssl issue fixed in there? or should i wait for a release 4? |
| 11:59.02 | enouf | rann: it's fixed |
| 11:59.19 | enouf | rann: see /topic |
| 11:59.51 | rann | but http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080217 does not state DSA-1571 ? |
| 12:00.12 | enouf | rann: unless there's something specific about ppc arch that's causing an issue? .. that's Feb 17 |
| 12:00.22 | MacGyverNL | wols: Each time I reboot I have to manually give the xmodmap command again. |
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| 12:00.47 | wols | MacGyverNL: use a script |
| 12:00.47 | MacGyverNL | Do I have to update a boot script or configuration file? |
| 12:00.52 | balasyum | how to use the crack-md5 package? |
| 12:01.12 | wols | md5 can't be cracked.it's a hash |
| 12:01.13 | enouf | MacGyverNL: make a ~/.xmodmap ? |
| 12:01.39 | balasyum | there is a debian package: crack-md5 |
| 12:01.45 | wols | balasyum: read up what a hash collision is |
| 12:01.58 | wols | maybe there, simply shows how its programmer has no clue |
| 12:02.05 | cb3rob2 | wols: ofcourse it can. |
| 12:02.06 | rann | so, 4r3 was released on feb 19 and the issue was from may 13th? sounds to me like the openssl fix is not in the netinst iso i just downloaded; |
| 12:02.09 | wols | *there is |
| 12:02.14 | cb3rob2 | you just compare all possible strings to the hash |
| 12:02.16 | cb3rob2 | it takes a while |
| 12:02.22 | wols | cb3rob2: and what does the "crack" accomplish? |
| 12:02.35 | cb3rob2 | well.. usually that you get the password to type in :P |
| 12:02.44 | wols | cb3rob2: you don't have a clue what a hash is right? |
| 12:02.47 | enouf | MacGyverNL: http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html#ownxmodmap |
| 12:02.50 | balasyum | just how to use that package |
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| 12:02.59 | cb3rob2 | wols: you have no clue on what 'not crackable' means have you :P |
| 12:03.18 | wols | cb3rob2: read what a hash collision is. then come back |
| 12:03.22 | cb3rob2 | if i take all possible combinations of bytes and all possible combinations of bytes that for the key (if any) |
| 12:03.27 | cb3rob2 | and i make all possible hashes out of them |
| 12:03.35 | cb3rob2 | tadaa, i can also compare them backwards |
| 12:03.54 | Eulex | but there is an infinite number of combinations of bytes |
| 12:03.58 | cb3rob2 | takes a while but then again, cpu time is cheap nowadays |
| 12:04.08 | cb3rob2 | (and otherwise just get more taxpayers to pay for more ;) |
| 12:04.09 | wols | "all possible combinations of bytes" is infinite for starters |
| 12:04.12 | Eulex | and every hash maps to an infinite amount of original text strings |
| 12:04.16 | cb3rob2 | well.. it's not if it's passwords |
| 12:04.21 | enouf | rann: correct security repo settings in sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should do it all for you (make sure to have only etch / stable repos listed) |
| 12:04.21 | cb3rob2 | or evfen if it has to fit on a dvd |
| 12:04.23 | cb3rob2 | or whatever |
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| 12:04.28 | cb3rob2 | there is no such thing as 'infinite' |
| 12:04.36 | cb3rob2 | + at a certain point there will be doubles |
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| 12:04.51 | wols | cb3rob2: do you know how much 2^128 is and how long it takes to generate all those hashes? |
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| 12:05.09 | wols | cb3rob2: you really have no clue whatsoever. take more 5th grade maths |
| 12:05.12 | cb3rob2 | wols; has it occured to you that you can just get like 5000 computers to generate them all for you. |
| 12:05.14 | rann | ok, but what will happen to the keys that were generated at install time? do they get recreated automatically? |
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| 12:05.29 | Eulex | cb3rob2, and store them... where? |
| 12:05.39 | wols | cb3rob2: sure. so It only takes me 5 million years instead of 25 billion. cool |
| 12:06.12 | wols | Eulex: we have terabyte harddisks now!11!eleven |
| 12:06.15 | balasyum | thank you |
| 12:06.17 | balasyum | good bye |
| 12:06.32 | cb3rob2 | wols: your ideas right now are so.. uh.. 1970s.. |
| 12:06.40 | cb3rob2 | wow.. 4kb of ram.. that's like 3 racks full of metal. |
| 12:06.41 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:06.45 | Eulex | wols, omg |
| 12:07.10 | cb3rob2 | in 2 years time you can do that sorta shit on consumer home crap |
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| 12:07.32 | cb3rob2 | also, there is no such thing as 'cant' be cracked' |
| 12:07.35 | enouf | rann: i would imagine the installer is updated and fixed as well - which netiso do you have? |
| 12:07.37 | Eulex | cb3rob2, well, you may be able to pregenerate hashes of all alphanumeric strings below a specific length. but you can't pregenerate _all_ hashes. |
| 12:07.43 | cb3rob2 | they said that about DES back in the days. |
| 12:07.55 | rann | debian-40r3-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 12:08.01 | rann | just donwloaded.. |
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| 12:08.07 | cb3rob2 | eulex ofcourse you can because after a while there -are- doubles. |
| 12:08.19 | cb3rob2 | and it doesn't matter which password or whatever you type in |
| 12:08.25 | cb3rob2 | as long as it counts down to teh same hash |
| 12:08.27 | enouf | rann: ok, it's dated as? |
| 12:08.32 | wols | cb3rob2: after 2^128 bytes. as a homework you can compute how much that is |
| 12:08.43 | enouf | rann: did you get it from an official debian mirror? |
| 12:08.57 | cb3rob2 | wols: as a homework you can offset the increase of ram/cpucycles on the average mainframe from 1975 till now |
| 12:09.01 | wols | 375275a9d13ab02bf159f92bbd2243f5 <- "crack" that |
| 12:09.06 | kripz | in nano how do i goto a line number? i cant find anythingo on the net :S |
| 12:09.08 | cb3rob2 | and do your math for how long it'll take for computers to do that in a second . |
| 12:09.09 | rann | but, imho, is it not a little bit bad that debian has not released a new version (like release 4) even if only with this bug fixed, given its seriousness? |
| 12:09.09 | cb3rob2 | :P |
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| 12:09.20 | wols | cb3rob2: hint it#s a lot less than 2^128 |
| 12:09.20 | rann | enouf: jep, cdimage.debian.org |
| 12:09.21 | cb3rob2 | as in consumer shit from mediamarkt.. |
| 12:09.34 | Eulex | cb3rob2, sorry, I don't understand that argument... you'd still have to store the non-hashed strings, and link them with the hashes. this takes _space_, and computers still have limits nowadays. |
| 12:09.34 | jelly | blames wols for starting it up with an ambiguous <wols> md5 can't be cracked.it's a hash |
| 12:09.39 | enouf | actually google is caching md5sums .. you'd need to get lucky with your search though O_o |
| 12:09.47 | cb3rob2 | eulex: so? :P |
| 12:09.57 | wols | cb3rob2: what is 2^128? |
| 12:10.05 | enouf | rann: ok then .. and dated as? |
| 12:10.06 | cb3rob2 | a lot of 2's. |
| 12:10.07 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:10.11 | Eulex | 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 |
| 12:10.14 | cb3rob2 | with *'s in between |
| 12:10.26 | jelly | wols: it's about 10^(128 * .3) :-) |
| 12:10.27 | Eulex | cb3rob2, incorrect. |
| 12:10.36 | wols | cb3rob2: it's 10^38. what is the fastest supercomputer? |
| 12:10.49 | cb3rob2 | wols: that's not the question |
| 12:10.55 | enouf | kripz: ctrl-w will jump to a word :-P |
| 12:10.56 | wols | cb3rob2: it is if you want to compute it |
| 12:10.59 | cb3rob2 | the question is, how long will it take for any computer to do that in a second. |
| 12:11.02 | spaceninja | what kind of computers are alpha? |
| 12:11.05 | Eulex | which is about 309485009821345068724781056 terabytes |
| 12:11.10 | wols | spaceninja: old DEC |
| 12:11.12 | rann | enouf: i go here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and those are from 16-02-08 |
| 12:11.14 | spaceninja | how do I know which arch I'm using? |
| 12:11.18 | enouf | kripz: less -N shows line numbers if that helps |
| 12:11.22 | wols | spaceninja: uname -a |
| 12:11.22 | jelly | spaceninja: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:11.37 | themill | wols: rainbow tables exist, that's why you should use salted hashes. |
| 12:11.41 | Eulex | cb3rob2, let's say we have a 100ghz computer, which can decode one per clock tick |
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| 12:11.57 | spaceninja | it must be i386 |
| 12:12.00 | wols | themill: of course they do. but a strong password they can't "crack" |
| 12:12.01 | spaceninja | then |
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| 12:12.13 | Eulex | umh, sorry, the terabytes figure above is incorrect, it would be much higher than that |
| 12:12.37 | cb3rob2 | terabytes? that's consumer shit |
| 12:12.46 | cb3rob2 | nowadays even.. |
| 12:12.52 | enouf | rann: hrm, i got the 18th http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/ " debian-40r3-powerpc-netinst.iso 18-Feb-2008 15:22 234M" |
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| 12:13.06 | cb3rob2 | one average pc can fit like 8 tb with no additonalhardware and nothing you can't buy at your computer shop at the corner. |
| 12:13.12 | Eulex | cb3rob2, anyway, with such a computer, it would take 3402823700000000000000000000 seconds, or 107902830000000000000 years |
| 12:13.12 | wols | cb3rob2: is a 100GHZ CPU consumer shit too (100GHz which computers a md5sum per clock)? |
| 12:13.15 | jelly | hopes to push the amateur crypto / algorythmisc complexity debate to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:13.27 | cb3rob2 | wols: well.. that's only like 50 or so of them next to each other |
| 12:13.28 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:13.38 | cb3rob2 | noting you could not fit in your living room |
| 12:13.46 | wols | cb3rob2: no PC can do 1 clock per md5sum |
| 12:13.46 | themill | cb3rob2, wols -> #debian-offtopic, please. |
| 12:13.49 | cb3rob2 | for under teh price of a small car. |
| 12:13.55 | Eulex | with 50 of them, it would take 2158056600000000000 years |
| 12:13.59 | spaceninja | how good is debian for server use really? |
| 12:14.19 | wols | spaceninja: debian stable is a very good server usually |
| 12:14.21 | cb3rob2 | eulex: yes, and with 50 of them which wil be available in let's say 5 years it'll only take 3 weeks |
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| 12:14.33 | cb3rob2 | considering the fact that hardware gets bigger and faster every week./ |
| 12:14.38 | enouf | rann: if you really can't find a good answer, after seeing the debian wiki and such, hit up #debian-boot on oftc.net - see the mailing list maybe prior |
| 12:14.41 | themill | cb3rob2: enough. Any further discussion on this belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 12:14.49 | rann | enouf: right, but my point is: the issue was from ~may 13th; that means all iso's served by debian.org and its mirrors contain the broken openssl stuff still. i'm a little surprised that this has not prompted a new release (4r4) even if only to address dsa-1571 and be able to supply iso's that are safe! |
| 12:14.50 | cb3rob2 | i didn't start this :P |
| 12:14.57 | themill | cb3rob2: I don't care |
| 12:14.58 | Eulex | cb3rob2, no. these computers I talk about above do _already not exist_. in any case, end of discussion. |
| 12:15.01 | cb3rob2 | mr. it can't be cracked did :P |
| 12:15.14 | enouf | rann: see last message, report back to me, i;m curious now ;-) |
| 12:15.23 | spaceninja | wols: I have to try it out, I'm just hoping I can have the same control I got in archlinux, with its rc.conf file |
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| 12:15.34 | cb3rob2 | eulex: oh well.. if you want to keep stuff secret, just put it in the safe will ya :P |
| 12:15.36 | wols | spaceninja: what does this rc.conf file do? |
| 12:15.42 | cb3rob2 | that is secret for longer than a week |
| 12:15.46 | cb3rob2 | end of discuission |
| 12:16.39 | enouf | oh, hehe, it's cb3rob2 .. the guy who's gonna replace all of the world's internet with CitizenBand O_O |
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| 12:16.53 | enouf | cb3rob2: :-p <jk> |
| 12:17.06 | cb3rob2 | enouf: actually, we already did that but then the other way around. |
| 12:17.07 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:17.11 | cb3rob2 | and i'm not sure i like the result. |
| 12:17.44 | spaceninja | wols: it ans entries for which modules should be loaded, which daemons should be started, network card configuration, clock, locale |
| 12:17.48 | spaceninja | has |
| 12:17.52 | wols | enouf: why didn't you tell me earlier |
| 12:17.58 | spaceninja | keyboard |
| 12:17.59 | enouf | lotta poop out there - and my cable company is STILL ripping me off, even with FIOS as a competitor |
| 12:18.00 | spaceninja | alot |
| 12:18.13 | wols | spaceninja: debian has all that but not in one monsterfile |
| 12:18.17 | enouf | wols: didn't realize - was focusing elsewhere :-) |
| 12:18.27 | rann | enouf: i'm going to take a look in oftc. talk to you later |
| 12:18.40 | spaceninja | wols: ok |
| 12:18.50 | wols | spaceninja: e.g. debian uses sysvinit not BSD style |
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| 12:20.12 | wols | spaceninja: what servre is it btw? what cpu and how much RAM? |
| 12:20.29 | jelly | enouf: CitizenBand is susceptible to viruses, eavesdropping, and stuff |
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| 12:20.49 | wols | jelly: that it'S a shit idea was already known. nn more OT |
| 12:20.49 | cb3rob2 | 'viruses'.. :P oh dear. |
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| 12:21.09 | enouf | jelly: but it's so ... commun-istic :-P |
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| 12:22.20 | g00se | Is it possible to use apt-listchanges between x and x-backports? |
| 12:23.25 | cb3rob2 | enouf: commies steal your gold and give it to the losers. :P |
| 12:23.37 | spaceninja | wols: I'm just trying to learn how to set up a server and learn stuff, like ftp ssh apache mysql |
| 12:23.57 | spaceninja | I don't know the hardware on the server but soon I'll know |
| 12:24.10 | wols | spaceninja: that's a single apt-line. should take you about 5 minutes :) |
| 12:25.02 | spaceninja | yeah but the after configuration, I just want it correctly configured |
| 12:25.18 | cb3rob2 | hmm.. well.. that's about.. half a file full of stuff :P |
| 12:25.25 | cb3rob2 | 50 lines + :P |
| 12:26.29 | enouf | spaceninja: and wols actually debian does have the file-rc pkg ;-) |
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| 12:26.58 | enouf | !info file-rc |
| 12:27.01 | dpkg | file-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.11 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 12:27.40 | wols | enouf: won't help with stuff like what modules to load, network settings etc |
| 12:27.42 | cb3rob2 | enouf: actually you can just set your init line in grub/lilo to stuff like init=/bin/sh /root/bla.sh ? :P orrr you just edit /etc/inittab to run only your file |
| 12:27.45 | cb3rob2 | and skip the crap |
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| 12:27.57 | enouf | wols: and .. wouldn't know whom he'd get help from ;-) |
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| 12:28.13 | ledil | hello |
| 12:28.16 | cb3rob2 | we've always booted our servers from a single file anyway.. until we moved to debian.. |
| 12:28.23 | enouf | almost switched |
| 12:28.31 | eliteforce | hey, does anyone have some experience with running a jabber server? |
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| 12:28.45 | ledil | ive installed a postfix package and ive changed the default main.cf. Now how can I overwrite my modified main.cf with the origin one ? |
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| 12:29.06 | cb3rob2 | you still have the original one/ |
| 12:29.07 | cb3rob2 | ? |
| 12:29.14 | ledil | where ? |
| 12:29.19 | cb3rob2 | no i'm asking you :P |
| 12:29.22 | ledil | no |
| 12:29.25 | cb3rob2 | hmm.. |
| 12:29.26 | eliteforce | reinstall? |
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| 12:29.32 | eliteforce | or unpack it from the deb? |
| 12:29.38 | wols | ledil: reinstall the package. debian package will ask usually |
| 12:29.39 | cb3rob2 | or copy it of someother box |
| 12:29.42 | ledil | "apt-get install postfix" says, that it is still installed |
| 12:29.52 | eliteforce | ledil: man apt-get |
| 12:30.00 | cb3rob2 | wols: actually, when you remove most packages, it just leaves the config crap there. |
| 12:30.06 | cb3rob2 | and doesn't reinstall it |
| 12:30.18 | petemc | unless you tell it to |
| 12:30.21 | wols | cb3rob2: no one said ANYTHING about removing it. reinstall != remove. learn to read |
| 12:30.29 | cb3rob2 | try to get rid of debian-exim for example, including it's non conformant username which is longer than 8 chars |
| 12:30.32 | cb3rob2 | withotu doing stuff by hand |
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| 12:30.35 | cb3rob2 | and a lot of rm's |
| 12:30.46 | ledil | cb3rob2, how to do reinstall ? apt-get install doesnt reinstall it |
| 12:30.57 | eliteforce | SIGH |
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| 12:31.05 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 12:31.06 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 12:31.14 | wols | ledil: you've already been told: man apt-get or man aptitude |
| 12:31.29 | beardy | !purge |
| 12:31.29 | dpkg | from memory, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 12:31.41 | cb3rob2 | dpkg: which it doesn't do either. |
| 12:31.42 | dpkg | cb3rob2: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:31.46 | cb3rob2 | after a purge files are still left. |
| 12:31.54 | cb3rob2 | and users too. |
| 12:32.04 | beardy | So fix and file a bug. |
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| 12:32.41 | g00se | 'users'? |
| 12:32.43 | themill | cb3rob2: there's nothing in the posix spec that requires usernames to be <= 8 chars; requiring that to be the case is to use your own phrase, so 1970s. |
| 12:32.43 | Nyle | GoodMorning |
| 12:32.50 | cb3rob2 | well the first bug ofcourse is that usernames that start with capitals (yuk) and are longer than 8 chars and therefore not viewable in ls/top/yp/etc should not be there in the first place.. Debian-exim.. etc. |
| 12:32.59 | cb3rob2 | themill: all the core-utils for example/ |
| 12:33.09 | enouf | Nyle: i hit the enter key 1000 times on your behalf while you were gone :-P |
| 12:33.09 | cb3rob2 | for starters.. |
| 12:33.12 | themill | cb3rob2: they still work just fine. |
| 12:33.16 | cb3rob2 | no they don' |
| 12:33.17 | cb3rob2 | t |
| 12:33.18 | beardy | Nyle: Matter of opinion. Hello. |
| 12:33.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:33.29 | cb3rob2 | because you can't see the difference betwen user bladiebla123 and user bladiebla234 |
| 12:33.34 | cb3rob2 | in top, ls, ps, etc |
| 12:33.39 | themill | cb3rob2: either file bugs with patches attached or shut up. They are your two choices. |
| 12:33.44 | Nyle | beardy, well I hope you have a better day than you are having right now :) |
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| 12:33.52 | petemc | cb3rob2: do you have any other users named Debian-foo ? |
| 12:33.55 | beardy | Nyle: Thank you :) |
| 12:34.11 | cb3rob2 | petemc; ofcourse i don't but crap like that does not belong in official packages |
| 12:34.21 | stew | cb3rob2: you can in ps becuase they'd be listed by uid, not username |
| 12:34.29 | cb3rob2 | it's not only non compatible with core-utils but also not with other unix platforms you can hook up over yp/nfs |
| 12:34.39 | cb3rob2 | stew: that's not the point is it |
| 12:34.43 | cb3rob2 | it all only supports 8 chars |
| 12:34.55 | themill | cb3rob2: nfs has no limits on 8 character usernames. All mapping is done by uid. |
| 12:34.57 | cb3rob2 | so why does debian issue packages which install crap like yuser Debian-exim |
| 12:35.07 | cb3rob2 | and not all terminals support lower/upper case in the first place |
| 12:35.36 | stew | cb3rob2: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 12:35.47 | cb3rob2 | which is why /bin/login asks for it after 3 times login in caps for example |
| 12:35.47 | cb3rob2 | themill: nfs doesn't |
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| 12:35.47 | Blackhold | hello |
| 12:35.48 | themill | cb3rob2: which terminals that you're currently using don't support upper case? |
| 12:35.48 | cb3rob2 | but various auth mechanisms do |
| 12:35.58 | cb3rob2 | themill: uh well my c64 has it turned around for starters :P |
| 12:36.00 | petemc | cb3rob2: the reasons behind the naming are in the bts, this is a support channel, no a complaints dept |
| 12:36.10 | beardy | cb3rob2: File a bug with suggestions and patches, you will only make noone want to answer you if you keep it up. |
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| 12:36.37 | Blackhold | I'm using a nfs share and my root user could not access to files that I mount of the other computer, there's some way to mount nfs as a root user and then allow to copy the files? now I access to the files as others user... |
| 12:36.39 | petemc | there are already multiple bugs regarding that, no point filing more |
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| 12:36.52 | beardy | Then use alternative 2. |
| 12:36.57 | cb3rob2 | blackhold: remove the no_root_squash |
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| 12:37.02 | cb3rob2 | in mount (on the client) |
| 12:37.05 | cb3rob2 | uh |
| 12:37.07 | cb3rob2 | no put it there even |
| 12:37.13 | cb3rob2 | as in /etc/fstab |
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| 12:37.18 | cb3rob2 | (it's a client-side thingy) |
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| 12:39.14 | themill | cb3rob2: are you sure that root squashing is a client-side thing? You might want to check some docs on that. |
| 12:39.16 | Blackhold | 192.168.2.58:/home /mnt/nfs nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 12:39.24 | Blackhold | now i've got that on my /etc/fstab |
| 12:39.35 | cb3rob2 | one moment. |
| 12:39.37 | Blackhold | cb3rob2: what is the no_root_squash? |
| 12:39.59 | cb3rob2 | by default nfs converts uid 0 requests into userid nobody or something |
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| 12:40.04 | cb3rob2 | so you can't go into homedirs as root |
| 12:40.24 | themill | cb3rob2: how about you stop making stuff up as you go along. |
| 12:40.30 | cb3rob2 | a 'security' thingy to prevent haxxx0red boxes to crap up the rest of your system.. only it's not very efficient |
| 12:40.35 | stew | Blackhold: no_root_squash is a server side option. you can read about it in "man exports" |
| 12:40.35 | Blackhold | cb3rob2: in the host computer root could go to the /home dirs... |
| 12:40.46 | cb3rob2 | oh wit |
| 12:40.50 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.57 | cb3rob2 | it's not client side |
| 12:40.57 | Blackhold | I should add it in /etc/export as an option? |
| 12:41.13 | cb3rob2 | appearantly. |
| 12:41.18 | enouf | http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html see 7.7 |
| 12:41.29 | themill | cb3rob2: indeed. Now perhaps you'd like to stop offering bad advice. |
| 12:41.29 | Blackhold | ok |
| 12:41.34 | Nyle | conslut bpkg? |
| 12:41.36 | stew | Blackhold: you should read what it does, and the surrounding documentation which lists some other alternatives to removing the squasing completely (like anonuid/anongid) |
| 12:41.38 | Nyle | !nfs |
| 12:41.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 12:41.43 | cb3rob2 | man exports |
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| 12:42.13 | cb3rob2 | themill: hmm..well.. it's a long time ago :P |
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| 12:43.16 | Blackhold | stew: I'm copiing entery /home dir from other computer, is to make a backup |
| 12:43.16 | themill | cb3rob2: if you don't know, or aren't sure, then don't make stuff up. Look it up yourself or don't answer. It's the irc equivalent of the Hippocratic oath. |
| 12:43.34 | Blackhold | drwxr-xr-x 4 1000 1000 4096 jun 19 10:05 lmora |
| 12:43.34 | Blackhold | drwx------ 2 root root |
| 12:43.42 | Blackhold | here you have the problem |
| 12:43.46 | cb3rob2 | themill: oh well.. i was gonna go to the respective files to look it up anyway. |
| 12:43.47 | Blackhold | sorry |
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| 12:43.52 | Blackhold | this is a bad example line |
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| 12:44.00 | Blackhold | drwxrwx--- 2 1012 1012 4096 jun 20 13:20 mtardio |
| 12:44.00 | Blackhold | drwxrwx--- 2 1025 1025 |
| 12:44.03 | Blackhold | theses ones |
| 12:44.20 | Blackhold | that is what I see when I mount nfs export |
| 12:44.31 | cb3rob2 | you don't have yp running |
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| 12:44.53 | cb3rob2 | or /etc/nsswitch.conf is wrong |
| 12:44.56 | stew | Blackhold: if you need root to copy files into the NFS share preserving uids then yes, i believe you need no_root_squash |
| 12:45.04 | Blackhold | I have added no_root_squash on /etc/exports of host machine and restarted portmap |
| 12:45.12 | Blackhold | and mounted again the nfs share |
| 12:45.15 | stew | Blackhold: you may need to remount as well |
| 12:45.18 | stew | ok |
| 12:45.26 | Blackhold | stew: wait |
| 12:45.29 | cb3rob2 | blackhold: are those files even owned by root.. |
| 12:45.36 | rann | enouf: i'm wasting people's time apperently. the fact that debian is supplying the world with isos that contain a huge security hole does not seem to annoy anyone so i guess i'd rather choose something else to run, thanks for the pointers tho |
| 12:45.37 | stew | cb3rob2: no, they obviously aren't |
| 12:45.39 | cb3rob2 | cuz it looks like you just don't have yp running |
| 12:45.50 | Eulex | they're owned by a regular user |
| 12:45.50 | cb3rob2 | and therefore the user and groupnames are missing |
| 12:46.11 | stew | Blackhold: so you are worried about the 1012 / 1025 which you were expecting to be usernames? |
| 12:46.28 | Blackhold | hi? |
| 12:46.32 | Blackhold | now |
| 12:46.47 | kevin_the | I have a problem, someone could try to help me? |
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| 12:46.47 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.59 | Blackhold | that is what I've got on my /etc/export file |
| 12:47.11 | Eulex | !tell kevin_the about ask |
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| 12:47.16 | Blackhold | stew: these are host machine users |
| 12:47.41 | Blackhold | I want to mount nfs share giving 666 permisions to all files |
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| 12:47.50 | abrotman | devil's work!! |
| 12:47.53 | cb3rob2 | hmm. |
| 12:47.55 | cb3rob2 | noexec.. |
| 12:47.55 | stew | rann: a new release is being worked on. when you install from those iso's you should end up with a security.debian.org line in deb src, so you should end up with a patched openssl |
| 12:48.16 | cb3rob2 | blackhold: first of all that ro then needs to be rw |
| 12:48.21 | cb3rob2 | otherwise they can't write to it.. |
| 12:48.53 | cb3rob2 | and then you can mount it on the client with noexec |
| 12:48.58 | stew | Blackhold: which is 'host machine'? the nfs server or the nfs client? |
| 12:49.00 | cb3rob2 | to prevent 777's or 755's |
| 12:49.26 | cb3rob2 | and then still the files actually need to be rwrwrw :P |
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| 12:49.47 | Eulex | uh |
| 12:49.48 | stew | Blackhold: but you don't really want 666 you want 664 or 660 |
| 12:49.54 | Eulex | 666 is a very bad idea |
| 12:49.54 | abrotman | removes cb3rob2's enter key |
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| 12:50.09 | enouf | stew: that was all told to him, by myself here, and by another on oftc.net in #d-boot .. unfortunately, he does have a point IMHO, however, i'm not going to involve myself anymore |
| 12:50.09 | cb3rob2 | abrothman; i have 2... |
| 12:50.12 | rann | stew: yes, and someone like me, us even, will usually know what's up and have a system connected to the security repo's but what about the various people that have downloaded the iso for more than a month now that are not going to connect their systems to the net from the get-go? |
| 12:50.18 | cb3rob2 | and ofcourse we can juse control- |
| 12:50.20 | cb3rob2 | j too |
| 12:50.22 | enouf | stew: (referring to rann) |
| 12:50.29 | rann | a box might be initially disconnected, maybe even for a year, but then someone decides to connect a box to the net.. now take a look at the amounts of downloads you get for netinst.. |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | apparently your whole keyboard is misfunctioning |
| 12:50.44 | cb3rob2 | and control-m |
| 12:50.48 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:50.56 | stew | rann: like i said, a new relases including these fixes is being worked on |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | rann: wouldn't you run security updates? |
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| 12:51.29 | enouf | rann: it's a transitional period, that's all |
| 12:51.35 | wols | abrotman: the average user doesn't |
| 12:51.45 | abrotman | wols: average users run windows :) |
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| 12:51.53 | Blackhold | stew: the host is the one that have got all the /home dirs to backup to the client machine |
| 12:51.57 | stew | the average user removes security.debian.org from sources.list? |
| 12:51.58 | enouf | (darnnit, i said i wasn't going to involve .. oh well :-P) |
| 12:52.02 | cb3rob2 | abrotman; no they run ubuntu now :P |
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| 12:52.20 | wols | and they come in here and want to install debian since it's "1337" |
| 12:52.49 | cb3rob2 | wols: hmm.. they all want the rotating desktop thingy in 3d. |
| 12:52.50 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:52.54 | NoxIn | the average user (among thos users who user debian) have the default installation with gnome and get a popup telling "new update avaible" |
| 12:53.01 | rann | yes i would. but i know of various places where internet connectivity is not alwaays available. these boxen will be vulnerable by default as installed from a currently downloadable 4.0r3 iso. those boxen might get a stable connection in lets say a year from now, and in my opinion that increases the timespan that this issue will affect people |
| 12:53.28 | stew | rann: so you think that we should stop letting people download debian? |
| 12:53.36 | stew | (until the new release is ready) |
| 12:53.47 | DawnLight | is there no way to uniquely idetify usb attached hdds? |
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| 12:54.01 | Eulex | DawnLight, there is, by uuid |
| 12:54.01 | stew | DawnLight: their serial number |
| 12:54.12 | DawnLight | where do i find these? |
| 12:54.13 | stew | or yeah, the uuids of the partitions they contain |
| 12:54.15 | rann | stew: i think 4.0r4 should have been released immediately as in 4.0r3 plus fix for dsa-1571 |
| 12:54.16 | kevin_the | I'm having problem of printing by gnome terminal. |
| 12:54.17 | wols | DawnLight: what's wrong with UUID? |
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| 12:54.30 | abrotman | rann: you do realize you're whining to the wrong people |
| 12:54.31 | DawnLight | wols: it apparently doesn't give me a uuid |
| 12:54.33 | stew | rann: that's not possible |
| 12:54.40 | DawnLight | i see no uuid |
| 12:54.45 | Eulex | DawnLight, take a look in /dev/disk/ |
| 12:54.47 | DawnLight | the command blkid doesn't show it |
| 12:54.47 | wols | DawnLight: FAT? |
| 12:54.59 | DawnLight | /dev/disk/by-uuid doesn't have a link for this device |
| 12:55.05 | DawnLight | ntfs |
| 12:55.15 | rann | stew: the fact that that's not possible is a security issue in itself imho |
| 12:55.23 | cb3rob2 | well.. that dsa thingy for the severe-security-hole protol isn't a valid reason to come up with a new distribution version. |
| 12:55.25 | DawnLight | perhaps its not even formatted |
| 12:55.30 | wols | DawnLight: mounted how? ntfs3g or ntfs? |
| 12:55.38 | stew | rann: the correct place to bring this up would be http://lists.debian.org/debian-project or http://lists.debian.org/debian-release |
| 12:55.41 | wols | DawnLight: could be cause ntfs3g is usesspace it has none |
| 12:55.47 | Eulex | DawnLight, try by-id then |
| 12:55.52 | rann | yes i know i'm whining. i just came back to tell enouf about the reaction i got from debian-boot and debian-release |
| 12:55.58 | DawnLight | does the uuid belong to the filesystem? |
| 12:56.00 | enouf | by-label even |
| 12:56.05 | cb3rob2 | just apt-get remove openssl openssh-server and you're done.. no more security issues. |
| 12:56.06 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 12:56.09 | DawnLight | or the partition? or the drive? |
| 12:56.09 | wols | DawnLight: it's computed from it |
| 12:56.19 | enouf | ntfs won't have a unix uuid |
| 12:56.23 | DawnLight | ah, so if there is no partition... |
| 12:56.32 | Eulex | will not necessarily have a label either |
| 12:56.34 | Eulex | mine doesn't |
| 12:56.38 | zinx | DawnLight: as i said, the uuid belongs to the filesystem. fwiw, the label does too. /dev/disk/by-id/ depends on the drive. |
| 12:56.42 | enouf | well, atleast my fat32s don't |
| 12:56.47 | cb3rob2 | you can keep your box on for decades without any update whatsoever.. guaranteed .. (the number of exploits in the ip stack alone can be counted on one hand and most of them were only dos) |
| 12:56.51 | DawnLight | thanks a lot |
| 12:56.58 | zinx | DawnLight: and provides -partX variants for each partition (again, as i've already stated long ago) |
| 12:57.01 | cb3rob2 | as long as you don't do ssl/ssh :P |
| 12:57.03 | cb3rob2 | that is |
| 12:57.06 | cb3rob2 | or old ftpds :P |
| 12:57.12 | DawnLight | i love you and debian |
| 12:57.16 | wols | enouf: they do. possibly not a uuid but every fat filesystem has a (different) 32bt value in the bootsector |
| 12:57.25 | wols | enouf: unless you cloned the filesystem of course |
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| 12:57.26 | enouf | they have labels though - oh wait - oh crap, my fatties do! but they'er only 8 digits (4+4) :-p |
| 12:57.34 | Blackhold | stew and Eulex I need to root user in the nfs share showed as others user, to have permisions to read on folders of the host machine (that is the machine that serves the nfs share) |
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| 12:57.41 | enouf | wols: yeah, my bad |
| 12:57.45 | Eulex | cb3rob2, "as long as you don't run any software on the computer, you're safe" |
| 12:58.01 | Titan | is it possible on etch to install a single pacakge from sid that I really need |
| 12:58.09 | wols | !tell Titan about ssb |
| 12:58.12 | Eulex | enouf, my ntfs ones don't |
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| 12:58.32 | rann | well, i'm off. personally, the way this whole openssl thing is handled, i wouldn't choose debian even though i do like it. to each their own i guess. take care peeps. |
| 12:58.35 | Titan | wols why can't I just use aptitude -t with sid source llist |
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| 12:58.42 | enouf | Eulex: i see .. and what is needed for labeling, mtools? or some other ntfs-only util? |
| 12:58.44 | stew | !customer |
| 12:58.45 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 12:58.47 | wols | Eulex: I doubt they miss a distinctive value. probably a missing feature of the ntfs driver |
| 12:58.55 | cb3rob2 | eulex: hmm.. well.. as long as no-one has local access, and the rest of the software is more or less sane.. (ssh/ssl clearly are not after like x thousand exploits for only a few hundred versions and all of them gave remote root ;) |
| 12:59.02 | stew | Blackhold: are you sure that the root user can't read those directories now? |
| 12:59.04 | wols | enouf: a label is not the same as uuid |
| 12:59.05 | cb3rob2 | you really don't need apt-get update ;) |
| 12:59.11 | Eulex | enouf, sorry, I have no idea |
| 12:59.14 | enouf | wols: no kidding ;-) |
| 12:59.19 | enouf | Eulex: no worries |
| 12:59.30 | Eulex | wols, this is just an observation of the situation on this box |
| 12:59.42 | Titan | how to modify sources.list to use sid packages optionally with aptitude -t |
| 12:59.52 | enouf | wols: was just offering another way s/he could identify the partition for their purposes |
| 12:59.54 | Eulex | Titan, you DON'T |
| 12:59.56 | wols | enouf: there is something (read about it in a forum for ubuntu). it needed some patch but I dunno remember what it was. the issue there was a swap partition without uuid |
| 13:00.15 | Titan | eulex so how can I install xcache (only avail on lenny/sid) onto my etch box |
| 13:00.18 | enouf | wols: i recall something about that too .. aye |
| 13:00.22 | Eulex | Titan, you follow the instructions dpkg told you about. |
| 13:00.26 | wols | Titan: that's a very fast way to a broken debian. I told you what to do |
| 13:00.27 | cb3rob2 | and on the 84.22.126.3 we will find, yes, an ms-dos 4.01 box with ncsa telnet/ftpd (not sure wether ftp is running tho) and it'sbeen like that since it was new in 1992 or something.. and i dare you to hack it. |
| 13:00.32 | themill | Titan: /msg dpkg iyhtays ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:00.36 | cb3rob2 | updates are not needed on software that's simple.. unlike ssh :P |
| 13:00.36 | Titan | I didn't understand it, can someone explain |
| 13:00.45 | Titan | !tell Titan about ssb |
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| 13:01.12 | Titan | so I need a backport |
| 13:01.15 | Titan | I don't know how to do that |
| 13:01.16 | zinx | cb3rob2: ftpds from that era are horribly insecure |
| 13:01.25 | zinx | cb3rob2: telnet probably is too, fwiw. |
| 13:01.39 | Eulex | Titan, you either find one and install it (if there is any), or you follow dpkg's instructions on how to create one yourself. |
| 13:01.41 | zinx | cb3rob2: and ms-dos has zero security. |
| 13:01.45 | cb3rob2 | the AYT sprintf thingy was just one bug... over 30 years.. |
| 13:01.46 | cb3rob2 | in telnet :P |
| 13:01.57 | cb3rob2 | i can show you like thousands of remote root exploits for ssh/ssl based crap |
| 13:02.01 | spaceninja | is there a server debian book? |
| 13:02.07 | cb3rob2 | adn still people think it's more secure than telnet/rlogin/rexec/rcp |
| 13:02.12 | cb3rob2 | which all only have a few bugs |
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| 13:02.13 | zinx | cb3rob2: most of the ftpds have a large number of exploits |
| 13:02.17 | cb3rob2 | and all of them were just one line to change |
| 13:02.20 | moshii | cb3rob2: wtf are you on? |
| 13:02.22 | enouf | spaceninja: /msg dpkg reference |
| 13:02.26 | jelly | cb3rob2: do you have a debian support question? |
| 13:02.26 | enouf | to start |
| 13:02.30 | zinx | cb3rob2: telnet can be snooped on |
| 13:02.33 | enouf | spaceninja: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:02.42 | cb3rob2 | zinx: no, that is your network that's not secure, not the daemon. |
| 13:02.44 | zinx | cb3rob2: (by design) |
| 13:02.50 | zinx | cb3rob2: no network is secure |
| 13:02.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Titan about backports.org |
| 13:02.56 | cb3rob2 | and sssh can be snooped on as well, it only takes slightly more cpu time |
| 13:02.56 | enouf | (i think i told you that one already though - but i know you're a troll ;-)) |
| 13:03.05 | themill | Titan: xcache is on backports.org; follow dpkg's instructions for that |
| 13:03.14 | spaceninja | I use irc as my magical google :) |
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| 13:03.16 | moshii | cb3rob2: do you understand crypto at all? |
| 13:03.17 | zinx | cb3rob2: you should let the cryptographers know that |
| 13:03.30 | cb3rob2 | moshii; yes, as long as you realize that that is no solution. |
| 13:03.31 | zinx | or cryptologists, i'm not sure which :P |
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| 13:03.35 | spaceninja | maybe it's turned into a bad habit :) |
| 13:03.37 | cb3rob2 | it'll only delay things a bit |
| 13:03.37 | enouf | cb3rob2: maybe we need alll html converted to C ?:-) |
| 13:03.39 | jelly | cb3rob2, zinx: please move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:03.43 | spaceninja | it has |
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| 13:03.52 | moshii | cb3rob2: slightly more cpu time == more than exists in the world presently right? |
| 13:04.00 | Titan | thanks themill I am reading dpkgs instruction now :) |
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| 13:04.04 | cb3rob2 | enouf: actually, we need to replace the http based web by some real client-server real-time communications protocol |
| 13:04.11 | cb3rob2 | with video/audio full duplex support |
| 13:04.17 | cb3rob2 | it's a bit crappy.. |
| 13:04.20 | cb3rob2 | don't you agree. |
| 13:04.22 | enouf | (here we go ...) |
| 13:04.23 | jelly | doesn't know how to ignore "nickname" and all replies to "nickname" |
| 13:04.42 | Blackhold | stew: yes |
| 13:04.44 | abrotman | jelly: /kick :) |
| 13:04.46 | Blackhold | I'm really sure |
| 13:04.53 | cb3rob2 | oh yeah sure.. just /ignore. :P |
| 13:04.57 | cb3rob2 | then nothing will ever change |
| 13:05.01 | jelly | abrotman: please do. |
| 13:05.04 | Blackhold | cp: no se puede acceder a «jvidal»: Permiso denegado |
| 13:05.07 | cb3rob2 | and we'll still be left with the same crap in 20 years. |
| 13:05.07 | abrotman | he won't have to listen to you anymore |
| 13:05.08 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 13:05.08 | petemc | i concurr |
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| 13:05.12 | themill | cb3rob2: please stop rambling; this is not a discussion channel. Take discussion to #debian-offtopic as you have been told at least 4 times before. |
| 13:05.13 | Blackhold | using an script ran as root |
| 13:05.46 | Blackhold | sorry solved |
| 13:05.52 | enouf | wow, was going to say -->, and i left a whitespace, but no . (started my own channel :-P) ./server --ignore-replies-all or something |
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| 13:06.25 | Titan | I get GPG error for backports soruce list |
| 13:06.33 | Titan | does this mean I can't use it? |
| 13:06.34 | abrotman | Titan: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 13:06.39 | Titan | I am |
| 13:06.42 | Titan | but it didn't mention this |
| 13:06.47 | Eulex | they do |
| 13:07.27 | stew | Titan: it does |
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| 13:07.28 | abrotman | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | it's a pretty short page |
| 13:07.40 | Zitter | sorry, which pkg I have to install to use "make" command? |
| 13:07.40 | enouf | cb3rob2: i actually find you somewhat entertaining, however .. this is not the place for my amusement ;-) Please stop, thanks |
| 13:07.45 | stew | Zitter: build-essential |
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| 13:07.56 | enouf | oh, you did ... |
| 13:08.07 | Titan | thanks! I was able to instal php5-xcache w00t |
| 13:08.41 | Zitter | stew, thanks :) |
| 13:08.44 | wols | enouf: mea culpa. didn't see you here |
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| 13:10.07 | DawnLight | how do i set the label of a partition? |
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| 13:10.42 | wols | DawnLight: depends on filesystem |
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| 13:11.12 | DawnLight | wols: doesn't the label belong to the partition? |
| 13:11.22 | zinx | belongs to the filesystem, just like the uuid |
| 13:11.27 | stew | DawnLight: ntfsprogs: /usr/sbin/ntfslabel |
| 13:11.37 | zinx | some filesystems don't have a label, some don't have a uuid |
| 13:11.39 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 13:12.41 | jetscreamer | ok but why isn't it /dev/filesystem/by-uuid |
| 13:12.46 | Nyle | yo |
| 13:12.52 | jetscreamer | instead of /dev/disk |
| 13:12.59 | zinx | jetscreamer: man may never know |
| 13:13.15 | jetscreamer | yo nye-lo |
| 13:13.36 | Nyle | uuid is like too much machine language |
| 13:13.41 | Nyle | labels are great. |
| 13:13.56 | Nyle | (/me hates long #s) |
| 13:14.02 | zinx | doesn't see what's wrong with /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 13:14.10 | jetscreamer | i have yet to see something that doesn't have a uuid |
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| 13:14.20 | Nyle | yeh but I like to use labels myself |
| 13:14.23 | jetscreamer | i'm just saying that if you say it's on the fs.. |
| 13:14.25 | SeveredCross | I'm actually not a big fan of uuid |
| 13:14.34 | jetscreamer | uuid is your god |
| 13:14.38 | DawnLight | does a label change require a daemon restart or something? because i've set the label for sda1, an ntfs, and there is no /dev/disk/by-label directory |
| 13:14.40 | jetscreamer | or udev's god |
| 13:14.50 | jelly | Nyle: (/me hates long #s) that's just because your memory capabilities have been destroyed by weed! |
| 13:14.54 | zinx | jetscreamer: uuid is most definitely part of the filesystem |
| 13:15.14 | Nyle | jelly, thank you |
| 13:15.19 | zinx | DawnLight: udev only detects when it's plugged in, most likely |
| 13:15.24 | jetscreamer | !lart kernel guy responsible for that section |
| 13:15.25 | dpkg | tries to shut kernel guy responsible up for that section |
| 13:15.26 | enouf | DawnLight: a udevtrigger command might be in order .. or .. hrm |
| 13:15.42 | zinx | DawnLight: you may be able to trigger a re-read of the partitions to get it to reload that, dunno |
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| 13:15.54 | DawnLight | can i just restart udev? |
| 13:15.54 | enouf | DawnLight: or .. you may want to stop and restart the udev daemon |
| 13:16.08 | enouf | (careful) |
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| 13:16.20 | DawnLight | didn't do anything |
| 13:16.27 | enouf | how did you do it? |
| 13:16.31 | zinx | jetscreamer: not about the kernel guy... uuid has to be part of the filesystem |
| 13:16.38 | DawnLight | /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 13:16.47 | DawnLight | is that a no-no? |
| 13:16.52 | spaceninja | how do I find out which package are in the file server catogory and web server, during the installation? |
| 13:16.54 | stew | DawnLight: its fine |
| 13:16.58 | spaceninja | category |
| 13:16.59 | enouf | it's fine |
| 13:17.00 | jetscreamer | zinx... but wouldn't /dev/disk be his? (the kernel guy) |
| 13:17.05 | zinx | jetscreamer: not enough room in the partition table on many systems, and you can't magically pull a number out of your hat :P |
| 13:17.11 | zinx | jetscreamer: oh, no, that would be the debian udev people |
| 13:17.17 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:17.20 | jetscreamer | ahhhhhh |
| 13:17.20 | Nyle | spaceninja, man tasksel |
| 13:17.21 | zinx | jetscreamer: or the udev people, not sure how much the debian people alter that |
| 13:17.30 | stew | spaceninja: tasksel --task-packages web-server |
| 13:17.32 | jetscreamer | udev shows it's true colors once again |
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| 13:17.34 | Nyle | spaceninja, you want tasksel --listtasks or soemthing I can't remember |
| 13:17.35 | zinx | jetscreamer: you can change it, fwiw. /etc/udev has the rules |
| 13:17.44 | enouf | DawnLight: might try udevcontrol reload_rules .. but |
| 13:17.51 | enouf | DawnLight: if you restarted it, nm |
| 13:17.52 | DawnLight | i'll reboot! |
| 13:17.53 | spaceninja | is tasksel a debian program? |
| 13:17.56 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:17.58 | DawnLight | muahaha |
| 13:18.03 | stew | spaceninja: yes |
| 13:18.03 | jetscreamer | and there's a factoid |
| 13:18.09 | zinx | spaceninja: a deprecated one, i think |
| 13:18.17 | spaceninja | I only want standard programs |
| 13:18.20 | jetscreamer | !listkeys tasksel |
| 13:18.20 | spaceninja | :) |
| 13:18.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tasksel' by key (3): tasksel ;; #debian tasksel ;; _default tasksel. |
| 13:18.26 | stew | not deprecated |
| 13:18.32 | jetscreamer | take all the check marks off then spaceninja |
| 13:18.41 | jetscreamer | if you don't want stuff you don't want |
| 13:18.43 | spaceninja | even standard? |
| 13:18.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:18.47 | spaceninja | I mean |
| 13:18.50 | spaceninja | cool |
| 13:18.53 | jetscreamer | install what you want later |
| 13:18.58 | spaceninja | good |
| 13:19.05 | jetscreamer | standard is misleading |
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| 13:19.08 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 13:19.18 | jetscreamer | more like 'bloated standard' |
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| 13:19.24 | Nyle | zless /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz |
| 13:19.44 | enouf | jetscreamer: you help him when half of Xorg is missing b/c he installed xserver-xorg-core only :-P |
| 13:20.02 | jetscreamer | spaceninja: after you get it all installed and boot, do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:20.25 | jetscreamer | and if you want xorg do apt-get install xorg , later |
| 13:20.28 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:20.34 | Nyle | tasksel is great |
| 13:20.39 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 13:20.45 | jetscreamer | well it's ok for laptop |
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| 13:20.51 | Nyle | its just that the default config/file is bullshit |
| 13:20.52 | spaceninja | ok, I got my server next to my running computer, i'm swapping the moitor and the keyboard |
| 13:20.53 | jetscreamer | i didn't notice a lot of bloat |
| 13:21.00 | spaceninja | between them |
| 13:21.09 | Nyle | jetscreamer, you know you can configure tasksel |
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| 13:21.28 | jetscreamer | Nyle: why on earth would i want to in a non-multiuser env |
| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | but no i didn't know |
| 13:21.47 | stew | wow, tcsh is in standard |
| 13:22.00 | stew | and so is debian-faq-zh-cn |
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| 13:22.20 | Nyle | and then people wonder why tasksel sucks |
| 13:22.32 | Nyle | its not tasksel, its the config out the box |
| 13:22.37 | Nyle | thats the problem |
| 13:22.59 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs echo |
| 13:23.00 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 13:23.01 | jetscreamer | okok i usually say tasksel's selections suck |
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| 13:23.12 | jetscreamer | pimportant? |
| 13:23.37 | Nyle | yeh |
| 13:23.43 | stew | yeah the ones from the debian pimp port |
| 13:23.47 | Nyle | its like important, but pimped out |
| 13:23.47 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:23.49 | Nyle | heh |
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| 13:25.17 | jetscreamer | i'm going to give up my day job to become a fulltime poker professional |
| 13:25.35 | jetscreamer | (not) |
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| 13:32.54 | DawnLight | how do i know the uid and the gid of a user? |
| 13:33.06 | zinx | id user |
| 13:33.13 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 13:33.29 | zinx | you may consider reading some basic unix primers |
| 13:34.22 | DawnLight | agrees |
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| 13:34.50 | asmarin | kernel include on debian etch doesnt recognized sensors of my hp dl360 g5 |
| 13:34.57 | EE_BB | hii all How can I install squid 2.5 instead of lastes version 2.7 ? |
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| 13:36.09 | dto | how do I configure Xorg so that i can choose a new device driver? i installed the xorg-xserver-radeonhd package and i wanna switch to it |
| 13:36.17 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:36.18 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 13:36.33 | dto | abrotman: thanks :-) |
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| 13:37.26 | dto | abrotman: it asks nothing about the driver or resolutions. |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | -plow ? |
| 13:37.34 | dto | abrotman: do i have to be outside of X for that to work? |
| 13:37.37 | dto | oh. |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | or do it manually ? |
| 13:37.40 | EE_BB | ? |
| 13:38.02 | jelly | asmarin: have you tried hp's own packages? |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | EE_BB: you want older? |
| 13:38.09 | wols | abrotman: you forgot lenny and sid |
| 13:38.11 | dto | with -plow still has no driver questions |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman | wols: they're in the bag |
| 13:38.19 | EE_BB | yes |
| 13:38.22 | DawnLight | what is wrong with "UUID=549995895D27EC86 /home/kfir/external-1 ntfs-3g uid=1002,gid=1003,force 0 0"? i get "ntfs-3g: Cannot mount 'UUID=549995895D27EC86': No such file or directory" |
| 13:38.25 | wols | abrotman: lenny and sid don't have proper drxx anymore |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | lenny's was broken |
| 13:38.36 | asmarin | has hp his own packages for debian on etch? or are source packages? |
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| 13:38.58 | wols | asmarin: hp is a company. why would it need a package? |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | asmarin: you could try a newer kernel .. /msg dpkg etchnhalf .. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:39.09 | dpkg | snapshots is, like, an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | EE_BB: ^^ |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | EE_BB: but you're not likely to find much .. even etch has 2.6 .. 2.5 is in sarge though .. likely won't run on lenny/sid |
| 13:39.55 | wols | abrotman: 2.5 is in sarge? |
| 13:39.55 | asmarin | wols: do you know where are these packages? |
| 13:39.58 | wols | a dev kernel? |
| 13:40.00 | zinx | DawnLight: entirely possible that ntfs-3g doesn't support mounting by UUID |
| 13:40.10 | DawnLight | nah... |
| 13:40.24 | wols | asmarin: hp is supposed to be what? it's a frigging company! |
| 13:40.32 | asmarin | WTF |
| 13:40.44 | wols | asmarin: go to hp.com and you see |
| 13:40.46 | justin | DawnLight: just use /dev/disk/by-id/549995895D27EC86 |
| 13:40.47 | abrotman | wols: squid |
| 13:40.54 | asmarin | do i need to compile my own kernel for that?! |
| 13:40.55 | DawnLight | ah, good idea! |
| 13:40.56 | asmarin | WTF |
| 13:41.05 | wols | for running squid? |
| 13:41.26 | wols | !tell asmarin about lm-sensors |
| 13:41.30 | abrotman | wols: shooting them is better! |
| 13:41.44 | mquin | asmarin: have you tried hpasm? |
| 13:41.47 | asmarin | nope |
| 13:42.02 | asmarin | uhmmm i never use hp essential pack on linux before :-/ |
| 13:42.10 | asmarin | and its free :-O |
| 13:42.16 | asmarin | joder lo que aprende uno |
| 13:42.18 | enouf | dto: atleast grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see your radeonhd_drv.so loaded? |
| 13:42.30 | mquin | there's .debs available as well |
| 13:42.40 | dto | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeonhd_drv.so |
| 13:42.41 | dto | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.55 | mquin | http://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570AAE |
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| 13:43.19 | asmarin | i found it: Debian 4.0 (Etch) - HP ProLiant Value Add Software AMD64/EM64T https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/try.do?productNumber=T8569AAE |
| 13:43.24 | dto | enouf: what i don't understand is why i can't get dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg to ask me the standard questions about the driver |
| 13:43.25 | asmarin | here we go |
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| 13:43.37 | dto | i'm on lenny |
| 13:43.45 | enouf | dto: read the changelogs |
| 13:43.55 | dto | enouf: which changelogs? |
| 13:43.56 | enouf | auto config in newer xorg |
| 13:44.00 | dto | oh. |
| 13:44.04 | dto | ok. |
| 13:44.29 | enouf | dto: it will honor any settttings you manually place in xorg.conf though, IINM |
| 13:45.08 | generic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.30 | enouf | ssh, scp? |
| 13:46.24 | EE_BB | abrotman: Is there any way to install low version of software instead of lastest in package repository ? |
| 13:46.43 | wols | EE_BB: pinning |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | EE_BB: the squid you're trying to install is really old |
| 13:48.07 | EE_BB | I understand Just wondering is there any way to install lower version of any package ? |
| 13:48.17 | generic | What are other secure... softwares for private file sharing?? |
| 13:48.52 | wols | generic: scp |
| 13:49.07 | EE_BB | abrotman: for example can I install 2.6 instead of 2.7 |
| 13:49.11 | wols | generic: if you mean p2p filesharing: does not exist |
| 13:49.12 | DeadFishMan | EE_BB: Assumiong that you are on Lenny but have Etch repos enabled on your sources.list, you can always use apt-get install -t stable package, for example |
| 13:49.14 | dto | enouf, abrotman: thanks for your help :-) |
| 13:49.20 | jelly | generic: sftp. rsync over ssh. |
| 13:49.22 | abrotman | EE_BB: which version of debian ? |
| 13:49.39 | stew | EE_BB: if "apt-cache policy pacakgename" lists the version as available, you can install with "aptitude install package=version" |
| 13:49.50 | stew | EE_BB: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:49.52 | jelly | generic: or use a vpn solution between peers and any protocol inside vpn |
| 13:50.13 | dto | another question. i'm using lenny---should i be using sid? |
| 13:50.14 | generic | hm.. |
| 13:50.26 | wols | dto: no |
| 13:50.57 | enouf | !fix dto |
| 13:50.57 | dpkg | takes dto to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 13:51.06 | enouf | oh crap - wrong one :-P |
| 13:51.13 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 13:51.27 | zinx | dto: you should be using etch |
| 13:51.30 | EE_BB | abrotman: how can I obtain version number? |
| 13:51.32 | jelly | <wols> asmarin: hp is a company. why would it need a package? # they provide own tools for Proliant brand server management |
| 13:51.33 | enouf | i wanted the !break one there |
| 13:51.34 | EE_BB | uname -a |
| 13:51.42 | abrotman | EE_BB: that's good enough .. what's the output ? |
| 13:52.45 | asmarin | jelly: yes, im trying to install on etch now |
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| 13:53.33 | dto | i thought etch was the older version? |
| 13:53.46 | enouf | !tell dto -about releases |
| 13:53.49 | zinx | etch is the stable release |
| 13:54.12 | asmarin | well hp packages has failed dependecies |
| 13:54.14 | asmarin | WTF |
| 13:54.54 | mquin | asmarin: do "apt-get -f install", then try installing the .deb again |
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| 13:55.32 | asmarin | uhmm horrible |
| 13:55.34 | spaceninja | where do I control the daemons? |
| 13:55.43 | asmarin | jejjeje im sooo noob somethimes :-D |
| 13:55.44 | spaceninja | I want the sshd to run |
| 13:55.48 | spaceninja | -the |
| 13:56.00 | moshii | spaceninja: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 13:56.38 | asmarin | well i need to know cpu temp because air aconditionated are broke only flush fan air |
| 13:56.54 | asmarin | and hp dl360 fans are working very very hard |
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| 13:57.12 | asmarin | The hpasm DEB package has installed successfully. |
| 13:57.12 | asmarin | GREAT |
| 13:57.23 | spaceninja | moshii: ok thanks |
| 13:58.12 | EE_BB | abrotman: version is lenny/sid |
| 13:58.27 | abrotman | EE_BB: the kernel version ? |
| 13:58.30 | EE_BB | from /etc/debian_version |
| 13:58.57 | EE_BB | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 13:59.03 | abrotman | EE_BB: anyways .. not likely .. squid2.5 hasn't been in debian since sarge .. |
| 13:59.59 | EE_BB | ok can I install 2.6 via apt-get ? |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | !info squid etch |
| 14:00.46 | dpkg | squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.6.5-6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 639 kB, Installed size: 1608 kB |
| 14:01.03 | DawnLight | doesn't usb mount mount on bootup? |
| 14:01.13 | DawnLight | i mean usbmount |
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| 14:04.11 | juice` | does the hard disk order matters for already existing raid 5? if i change disk order in raid 5, will it still work ? |
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| 14:04.27 | enouf | you can add an entry to /etc/fstab if you want, especially if the drive is always plugged in while booting - did you /msg dpkg automount - also apt-cache show usbmount, see description, it's a lightweght alternative |
| 14:04.30 | TromBoeZoe | Hello. I have a ACER USB Stick ( Dongle ) $ lsusb ... ID 0ace:1201 ZyDAS 802.11b WiFi .... is there a Driver for this specific Stick ? I googled and only come up with b+g or entry for /etc/network/interfaces in russian :| |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | juice`: i don't think it will |
| 14:04.58 | juice` | abrotman: you don't think it will work? |
| 14:05.08 | juice` | why ? |
| 14:05.16 | abrotman | juice`: would you like to try it and prove me wrong? |
| 14:05.29 | zinx | TromBoeZoe: google says: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-lc100020/ |
| 14:05.34 | juice` | no, i'm just asking |
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| 14:05.46 | justin | juice`: raid uses disk ids, the order doesn't matter |
| 14:06.03 | enouf | juice`: right, uuids, which are not mdadm uuids |
| 14:06.07 | wols | TromBoeZoe: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | justin: make him prove it! |
| 14:06.19 | zinx | TromBoeZoe: which further says 2.6.12 and later include the driver in the kernel :/ |
| 14:06.29 | juice` | to be honest, i don't have any uuids in mdadm.conf . it is configured to automatically detect mdadm and create md0 |
| 14:06.42 | abrotman | juice`: oh .. swraid ? |
| 14:06.45 | juice` | yes |
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| 14:07.09 | zinx | TromBoeZoe: looks like Debian doesn't have the firmware packaged for the 1201, so you'll have to get it somewhere else |
| 14:07.40 | abrotman | juice`: yes, justin is right |
| 14:07.46 | TromBoeZoe | thanx, i'll look in it.... |
| 14:07.55 | juice` | ok, thank you |
| 14:08.05 | TromBoeZoe | zinx, where could i look for example for the firmware? |
| 14:08.22 | zinx | TromBoeZoe: google, i'd imagine :/ you need the firmware for the ZyDAS 1201 |
| 14:09.23 | zinx | TromBoeZoe: looks like the site i pasted has the firmware as well, in the -fw.tar.gz |
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| 14:09.53 | TromBoeZoe | zinx :D i am readin it :D |
| 14:09.57 | spaceninja | I'm having second thoughts, everything feels so...messy, maybe it's all in my head. |
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| 14:10.46 | asmarin | well i install ipmi support |
| 14:10.49 | Ongavezir | Hallelujja testverek |
| 14:10.50 | twobitwork | has the firefox/iceweasel executable been replaced with xulrunner-stub in ff3? |
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| 14:13.14 | enouf | hrm, this has been bothering me; How can i know whether a certain PCI Card's USB 2.0 Controller chip (it's an ALi Chip btw) is supported anywhere, in any recent kernel? Here's the relevant PCIID info [10b9:5239] ... now, i did my ~$ grep '10b9\ .*5239' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 14:13.14 | enouf | I found a referece |
| 14:13.23 | enouf | crap |
| 14:14.09 | wols | aall usb 2.0 controllers are supported. but watch out for usb 3.0 which probably will be ugly |
| 14:14.56 | simonrvn | mine sure was, and it's one of those medium quality no-name thingys |
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| 14:16.01 | enouf | oh, i found a refernce to it here; http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids and the person whom has this card had the lspci put out the info - but isn't that list not just *nix? i mean that's a standard - oh and i checked even .25's list http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/drivers/char/drm/drm_pciids.h , but it's not there - or isnt that just char devices? |
| 14:16.03 | asmarin | pufff with these package i cant get cpu temp sensor :-S |
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| 14:16.54 | enouf | wols: well, this card wasn't, not even under usb_storage .. now, could be the Computer Chipset was too old to handle 2.0 USB speeds (only had 1.1 onboard orig) |
| 14:17.37 | wols | enouf: are we talking about usb client or host here? |
| 14:17.44 | enouf | wols: i mean, why wouldn't that pccid return when grepping modules.pcimap? (the person was runnuig a .25 kernel too) |
| 14:17.58 | enouf | wols: PCI Card Host Controller |
| 14:18.16 | wols | that should be supported just fine |
| 14:18.38 | stew | enouf: you wanted "grep '10b9.*5239'" not "grep '10b9\.*5239" |
| 14:18.58 | justin | wols: uhh, have them plug something into the card, and see if it works? why dick around looking at pci ids when you could just try it? |
| 14:19.12 | enouf | stew: did i mispaste that? i usually do it correctly |
| 14:19.23 | enouf | grep '10b9\ .*5239' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap <-- that works for all others that are there |
| 14:19.49 | mquin | asmarin: does hpasmcli -s "show temp" now work? |
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| 14:20.02 | stew | enouf: oh, nm, it wrapped on my terminal right after the \ and i misread it |
| 14:20.02 | mquin | s/now/not/ |
| 14:20.03 | wols | enouf: grep your dmesg |
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| 14:20.17 | wols | grep for HCI or such |
| 14:20.22 | enouf | stew: ok, sorry about my bad paste |
| 14:20.26 | stew | nah |
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| 14:21.00 | enouf | wols: it's not my PC ;-) .. but got frustrated when trying to help someone |
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| 14:21.17 | enouf | trying to clear it up in my head - thanks |
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| 14:21.34 | gigo | when I start my Debian, it says, "resume: encrypted image", "enter your passphrase". but i never encrypted anything. :-( |
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| 14:21.43 | gigo | how do I start Debian now? |
| 14:21.57 | justin | gigo: what happens when you press enter? |
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| 14:22.07 | gigo | justin: the same prompt comes back |
| 14:22.22 | justin | gigo: what happens if you type anything and hit enter? |
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| 14:22.26 | gigo | justin: and it wouldn't start unless I enter the correct passphrase. but i don't know any passphrase. i don't know why it asks that. |
| 14:22.28 | enouf | wols: the only thing that returns from my .25-rc2 source here is; $ find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -l ALI | xargs grep -il usb | xargs grep -il controller | xargs grep -il hci |
| 14:22.33 | gigo | justin: then it says, invalid passphrase |
| 14:22.36 | enouf | ./drivers/usb/gadget/Kconfig |
| 14:22.50 | enouf | and i looked quite a bit , with varoius greps |
| 14:22.57 | justin | gigo: well, if you reboot to grub you should be able to remove the remove=whatever from the kernel command line |
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| 14:23.22 | gigo | justin: so what should I remove here? |
| 14:23.26 | jelly | gigo: resume= ... |
| 14:23.52 | gigo | jelly: can I do it using menu.lst file? |
| 14:24.19 | jelly | gigo: yes, if you can't boot at present, you can't access it |
| 14:24.21 | enouf | justin: obviously the person was asking for help because the devices weren't working - but it does in that other OS |
| 14:24.40 | justin | enouf: ah, would have been intersting to see what, if anything, was printed to dmesg |
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| 14:24.59 | gigo | jelly: i have booted with an alternate Debian partition, so I can access the menu.lst file of the debian that doesn't boot. please tell me what should I do in menu.lst file. |
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| 14:25.27 | enouf | justin: i agree (and i made him try multiple devices) - however, shouldn't i be able to "know" which 'chips' are supported? |
| 14:25.43 | jelly | gigo: the idea is to remove "resume=..." arguments to the kernel you want to boot. |
| 14:25.45 | enouf | i mean, even for me, should i want to purchase a PCI Card say |
| 14:26.13 | gigo | jelly: there is no occurence of 'resume=' in my menu.lst file. |
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| 14:26.32 | jelly | gigo: interesting. well then, I'd wipe the swap partition. |
| 14:26.40 | gigo | jelly: http://rafb.net/p/mDSZrp36.html |
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| 14:26.58 | gigo | jelly: oh. i'll try that. could you please explain me how this problem is related to swap? |
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| 14:28.30 | jelly | gigo: I'm assuming you have uswsusp (a suspend-to-disk solution) installed. It embeds itself in initramfs, and tries to detect a suspended image, usually on your swap device. It seems to be misdetecting something as an encrypted suspend image. |
| 14:28.57 | jelly | gigo: if you can, make a copy of your swap partition contents first, and report the bug. |
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| 14:29.29 | gigo | jelly: ok. could you please give me pointers that explain how to file a bug report in Debian |
| 14:29.38 | hoxu | gigo, bugs.debian.org |
| 14:29.42 | gigo | i have heard it's not web based. we need to send email to some bugg reporting address |
| 14:29.44 | gigo | hoxu: ok |
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| 14:29.59 | malcom2073 | Is it possile to have apt-get install automatically resolve dependancies and install them (much like yum does in fedora) |
| 14:30.17 | jelly | gigo: if your secondary installation is also a debian, you can try using "reportbug" |
| 14:30.18 | justin | enouf: it's possible that the card woudl work, but the kernel isn't aware of its usb ID |
| 14:30.22 | justin | enouf: er, pci id |
| 14:30.23 | gigo | malcom2073: yes, but I use aptitude |
| 14:30.39 | jelly | !tell gigo about reportbug |
| 14:30.41 | gigo | yes, my secondary installation is debian |
| 14:30.49 | justin | gigo: zeroing the swap partition and re-running mkswap should fix it also |
| 14:31.01 | gigo | justin: ok |
| 14:31.03 | justin | though you may want to create an image of it first |
| 14:31.14 | malcom2073 | gigo: thanks, I'm looking into aptitude |
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| 14:32.08 | gigo | i have a 1.5 GB swap. i can't upload the whole thing. could you suggest, the first how many bytes should be enough for diagnosis by the debian developers? |
| 14:32.12 | jelly | gigo: uswsusp should not think there's an image there if there really isn't, so making an image might be helpful in solving the bug. Note that the image may contian your confidential data. |
| 14:32.49 | jelly | gigo: don't upload it unless asked to, but just store the image somewhere. |
| 14:33.03 | gigo | ok |
| 14:33.24 | jelly | gigo: I guess the developer in question will ask you for relevant bits of it. |
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| 14:33.55 | enouf | justin: right, ok, so because lspci, that 'does' show it's info and pciid do display the relevant info is no guarantee the kernel supports it then .. i never ran into that yet - odd |
| 14:33.58 | gigo | ok, I am doing: dd if=/dev/sda3 of=myswap.img (I hope this is enough) to preserve my swap image. |
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| 14:35.20 | justin | gigo: what did you do exactly? |
| 14:35.33 | justin | gigo: er, disregard that last one :) |
| 14:36.04 | justin | gigo: dd if=/dev/sda3| gzip > myswap.img.gz might be a good idea |
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| 14:36.20 | gigo | justin: ok, thanks |
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| 14:39.36 | gigo | I have saved my swap image. now how can I zero my swap partition? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda3 ? |
| 14:39.51 | justin | gigo: just the beginning shoudl do, then re mkswap it |
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| 14:42.45 | enouf | sorry guys .. darnnit!! i hads the wrong friggin file before (./drivers/char/drm/drm_pciids.h) THIS was the file i meant http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25.7/include/linux/pci_ids.h#L987 |
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| 14:43.04 | jdahm | grub-install seems to be freezing up, my partition is xfs, is there anything special I need to do? |
| 14:43.22 | enouf | which does show some ALi chipsets, even the 10b9 VendorID |
| 14:43.29 | justin | union-concat: there is also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 14:43.30 | justin | er |
| 14:43.35 | justin | enouf: there is also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 14:43.42 | gigo | # mkswap /dev/sda3 ==> /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy |
| 14:43.44 | justin | enouf: not to mention /usr/share/misc/pci.ids that is used by lspci |
| 14:43.45 | gigo | how should I fix this? |
| 14:43.52 | justin | gigo: uhh, is it currently in use? |
| 14:43.55 | jdahm | gigo: is it mounted? |
| 14:43.59 | gigo | yes. |
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| 14:44.06 | jdahm | gigo: then unmount it? |
| 14:44.23 | jdahm | gigo: you cannot make a filesystem on a mounted partition |
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| 14:44.37 | enouf | justin: which DOES match .. and which is why it appears in lspci output |
| 14:44.42 | enouf | which is wrong |
| 14:44.47 | stew | i have a feeling he means something else by 'mounted' |
| 14:44.51 | helo | how is the openssh-blacklist package supposed to be used? |
| 14:44.51 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.58 | justin | swap isn't mounted |
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| 14:45.09 | enouf | i mean, in the sense, it's not a way to tell if the kernel supports it -- which is what i wanted ti know |
| 14:45.11 | justin | you need to run swapoff -a |
| 14:45.15 | helo | i have an old box here (internal net), and i'd like to test all keys on it |
| 14:45.20 | stew | helo: man ssh-vulnkey |
| 14:45.29 | gigo | umount /dev/sda3 ==> umount: /dev/sda3: not mounted |
| 14:45.33 | gigo | fdisk -l | grep swap ==> /dev/sda3 2250 2431 1461915 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 14:45.35 | justin | enouf: the way to tell if the kernel supports it is if you can find the pci id in a drivers .h file |
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| 14:45.46 | enouf | justin: the file i posted will tell you if the kernel supports it or not |
| 14:45.50 | justin | enouf: though even then the driver might just have it listed to say "this model card not supported, sorry" |
| 14:45.51 | gigo | i wonder how the swap is not mounted. if I boot Linux, swap should be used. isn't it? |
| 14:45.58 | opti | can 4.0 rescue an older system using lilo? |
| 14:46.01 | justin | gigo: SWAP IS NOT MOUNTED |
| 14:46.15 | gigo | but why? I am using Linux. why is not using swap. |
| 14:46.25 | justin | using!=mounting |
| 14:46.31 | jdahm | yes I'm sorry gigo I misspoke my saying swap is mounted |
| 14:46.31 | gigo | ok |
| 14:46.33 | jdahm | I meant in use |
| 14:46.41 | stew | gigo: what does "grep sda3 /proc/swaps" return? |
| 14:46.58 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:47.20 | stew | gigo: so sda3 is already being used as swap, why are you trying to run mkswap? |
| 14:47.38 | gigo | stew: because i want to zero my swap so that my passphrase problem is gone. |
| 14:48.13 | gigo | so is there a solution? like starting it in single user mode and trying, etc.? please help. |
| 14:48.23 | opti | ok, plan b, does anyone know a mirror that still has a sarge rescue iso? |
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| 14:48.49 | justin | gigo: 10:45 < justin> you need to run swapoff -a |
| 14:48.56 | gigo | ok, thank you. |
| 14:49.10 | wols | !tell opti about sarge |
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| 14:49.56 | opti | well i know what it is, where can i get it? hehe |
| 14:50.22 | hoxu | opti, check pirate bay, maybe they have a cracked version |
| 14:50.34 | hoxu | !mirrors |
| 14:50.34 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 14:50.51 | wols | opti: there was a url in that factoid! |
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| 14:51.52 | larcoz | hello, i have a directory with about 200 subdirectories and about 10.000 files, anyway to find files that have same size ? |
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| 14:52.08 | ToYKillAS | hi, i need little help with iptables |
| 14:52.08 | ToYKillAS | here's my network config: |
| 14:52.08 | ToYKillAS | internet ----217.117.x.x---- [debian_server+nat]----[switch]----192.168.x.x |
| 14:52.08 | ToYKillAS | i'd like to block outgoing connection to my isp's smtp server |
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| 14:52.18 | ToYKillAS | mlmlh |
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| 14:52.44 | justin | larcoz: find -printf ... | sort would be a start |
| 14:52.48 | gigo | thanks justin and everyone, it worked. now i could boot to my debian. |
| 14:53.01 | moshii | I'm installing a java portal thing,... I have all the glassfish packages installed, but where do I get asadmin from to create the domain? :/ |
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| 14:53.29 | DawnLight | can i make a symbolic link over an existing file without removing it? |
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| 14:53.50 | justin | DawnLight: how can you what? |
| 14:54.19 | DawnLight | justin: i am trying to "ln -s /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /usr/bin/ntfsmount" |
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| 14:54.52 | justin | DawnLight: ok..? |
| 14:54.58 | DawnLight | but i don't want to remove the existing file, /usr/bin/ntfsmount. can it "hide" behind it? |
| 14:55.04 | petemc | ToYKillAS: iptables -A FORWARD -d yourispsmta --dport 25 -j REJECT |
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| 14:55.11 | SparFux | Nice, finally 2.6.25 works with misdn again! |
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| 14:55.29 | justin | DawnLight: mv /usr/bin/ntfsmount /usr/bin/ntfsmount.dist |
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| 14:55.48 | netsrot | anyone knows a good way to get an overview of all hardware that is detected? |
| 14:56.01 | justin | netsrot: how do you define detected? |
| 14:56.15 | netsrot | just found, doesn't need to work |
| 14:56.17 | ToYKillAS | thanks |
| 14:56.21 | justin | netsrot: lspci, lsusb |
| 14:56.33 | netsrot | justin: thanks |
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| 14:57.29 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:57.30 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 14:57.55 | Crissi | hello |
| 14:58.07 | SparFux | hi |
| 14:58.21 | Crissi | i have problems with usb... i just tried also 2.6.26-rc6 but i got same result: |
| 14:58.23 | Crissi | http://paste.debian.net/6990/ |
| 14:58.34 | Crissi | what is broken there? |
| 14:58.53 | Crissi | it has worked in history (kernel < 2.6.24 if im right) |
| 14:59.05 | jdahm | booo looks like I can't have an xfs boot or root partiiton and use grub-install at the moment |
| 14:59.05 | nictimju | has anyone managed to install drivers for V-Gear TalkCam USB vidcam? lsusb doesn't show up anything |
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| 15:02.14 | Agiofws | how do i reconfigure my start up files ? |
| 15:02.18 | Agiofws | in debian ? |
| 15:02.22 | justin | Agiofws: your what? |
| 15:02.24 | EE_BB | hii al I am using lenny if I write "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main" into the source.list what happened ? |
| 15:02.32 | Agiofws | dpkgreconfigure what file ? |
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| 15:02.39 | Agiofws | justin, my rc.files |
| 15:02.42 | wols | EE_BB: you don't. what is dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
| 15:02.45 | justin | Agiofws: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:02.48 | Agiofws | not to do it manually |
| 15:02.56 | wols | Agiofws: man update-rc.d |
| 15:03.01 | Agiofws | justin, stop some services from boot |
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| 15:03.52 | Agiofws | wols, there is a curse based menu app |
| 15:03.53 | EE_BB | wols: 2.7-10 |
| 15:04.08 | wols | lenny alright :( |
| 15:04.22 | Agiofws | do you know it |
| 15:04.22 | wols | EE_BB: check when this libc6 was installed. should give you a hint about the culprit |
| 15:04.31 | wols | Agiofws: rcconf |
| 15:04.33 | Agiofws | that i can selected what services |
| 15:04.42 | EE_BB | wols: I need to install libgdbmg1 |
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| 15:05.10 | EE_BB | I guees this package in etch |
| 15:05.34 | EE_BB | can I install this packge manually ? |
| 15:06.08 | wols | if you run lenny, yes |
| 15:06.15 | Agiofws | wols, what does atd service do ? |
| 15:06.16 | wols | but not if you actually want to run etch |
| 15:06.22 | Agiofws | how do i disable ipv6 |
| 15:06.25 | Agiofws | and dhcpd |
| 15:06.28 | Agiofws | ? |
| 15:06.35 | wols | sort of a cron. at daemon ("at the specified time do X") |
| 15:06.46 | wols | why do you run a dhcpd? |
| 15:06.50 | EE_BB | wols: I am working on etch ?? |
| 15:07.22 | Agiofws | i don't know debian install did |
| 15:07.31 | wols | EE_BB: if you only used etch repos and use actually lenny something is seriously wrong |
| 15:07.31 | jdahm | Agiofws: its in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:07.43 | wols | jdahm: no. dhcpd is the server |
| 15:08.32 | SparFux | waiting for mpx to get intto debian unstable :-) |
| 15:08.38 | EE_BB | wols: you right ,if I add only libgdbmg1 packge manually this does damage ? |
| 15:08.55 | wols | EE_BB: if you run lenny you can usually install stuff from etch |
| 15:08.59 | wols | just not the other way around |
| 15:09.24 | wols | EE_BB: what do you _want_ to run: stable or testing? |
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| 15:10.16 | EE_BB | stable preffered |
| 15:10.18 | EE_BB | :D |
| 15:10.27 | wols | then you crrently use the wrong debian branch |
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| 15:10.47 | wols | you probably installed some debian testing package in your etch install which automatically updated your libc6 to testing |
| 15:11.04 | wols | which is a bad thing(tm) |
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| 15:12.03 | EE_BB | my source.list is this --> deb http://godel.cs.bilgi.edu.tr/debian lenny main |
| 15:12.10 | SparFux | I need to reinstall all the binary and lib files. How can I do this? |
| 15:13.21 | wols | EE_BB: ok, this is lenny of course aka testing |
| 15:13.30 | EE_BB | I am on wrong |
| 15:13.53 | EE_BB | Is there any way to convert from lenny to etch |
| 15:14.08 | wols | !downgrade |
| 15:14.08 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 15:14.17 | wols | so no, not really possible |
| 15:14.20 | wols | easiest is reinstall |
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| 15:15.00 | EE_BB | wols: thanks a lot for helpings |
| 15:15.03 | andy5635353 | hi, i am looking for an IDE text editor on debian, which is the best i can install with apt-get |
| 15:15.19 | enouf | justin: ya know? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25.7/include/linux/pci_ids.h#L987 <--lines 988 (VendorID) and combined with 1006 (DeviceID) is off by one digit ! [10b9:5239] is what i need, but what's there is [10b9:5229] , so the 5229 is off by one digit, .. i wonder if what's all that's needed is just a NEW entry into that file (for 5239) |
| 15:15.46 | andy5635353 | i am using it for PHP development of local web apps |
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| 15:16.03 | enouf | (combined with line 1006 i mean) |
| 15:16.42 | enouf | (sometimes, it's just that easy ;-)) |
| 15:16.47 | enouf | </dream> |
| 15:16.48 | cast | andy5635353: like vim :) |
| 15:17.02 | cast | andy5635353: though its not a ide till you run it in screen and edit .vimrc for a while |
| 15:17.03 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if SMART works on USB HD's |
| 15:17.05 | DeadFishMan | andy5635353: If you're on X, try Quanta or Kate |
| 15:17.16 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i think not |
| 15:17.25 | JyZyXEL | where is your thinking based on? |
| 15:17.27 | andy5635353 | i cant use vim |
| 15:17.34 | enouf | others telling me |
| 15:17.46 | themill | andy5635353: kdevelop is good for PHP stuff |
| 15:17.49 | DeadFishMan | andy5635353: Kate has some support for syntax highliting for several languages and is overall a good text editor |
| 15:17.52 | andy5635353 | i was thinking of something like xcode for mac |
| 15:18.10 | DeadFishMan | andy5635353: Quanta is more like a full IDE for web development |
| 15:18.16 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i think, IIRC, it's a protocol issue |
| 15:18.26 | andy5635353 | lovely, i will try all those |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | andy5635353: bluefish? anjuta? eclipse ? |
| 15:18.53 | wols | JyZyXEL: there is no SMART with USB hdds |
| 15:18.55 | enouf | hrm, but it does work on sata ... take the drive out of it's enclosure ;-) |
| 15:19.07 | wols | kdevelop |
| 15:19.07 | andy5635353 | cool, there are a load to try :) gotta love debian!!! |
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| 15:19.15 | maligor | jeez, building man db takes ages on my slow as hell arm |
| 15:19.19 | Agiofws | ok |
| 15:19.43 | JyZyXEL | wols shouldn't IDE -> USB interface translate the SMART stuff |
| 15:19.50 | Agiofws | some one tell me why my screen X is falling back 640x480 resolution ? |
| 15:20.30 | andy5635353 | thanks for your help guys, ciao |
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| 15:20.35 | enouf | Agiofws: you mean Xorg? or screen the console app? |
| 15:21.31 | Agiofws | xorg |
| 15:21.34 | Agiofws | enouf, |
| 15:21.42 | DawnLight | what is a good pull-down style terminal for kde? |
| 15:21.53 | DeadFishMan | DawnLight: yakuake |
| 15:21.54 | enouf | ok Agiofws .. so what did you do to kill it? ;-) |
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| 15:22.03 | RichiH | pull-down style? |
| 15:22.12 | enouf | pull-down? |
| 15:22.28 | DawnLight | enouf: quake style |
| 15:22.32 | enouf | DawnLight: konsole is the main kde one |
| 15:22.35 | RichiH | ah |
| 15:22.43 | DeadFishMan | I think he meant a quake style terminal. Yakuake fits the bill. |
| 15:22.49 | enouf | Earthquake? |
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| 15:23.03 | enouf | is lost |
| 15:23.07 | wols | quake style? |
| 15:23.13 | Agiofws | not kill it i want to go to a higher resolution |
| 15:23.16 | enouf | Quaker? |
| 15:23.16 | RichiH | you press a key and a console comes down |
| 15:23.19 | malcom2073 | quake is an old video game |
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| 15:23.32 | wols | RichiH: we call those "hotkeys" usually |
| 15:23.35 | enouf | isn;t that called Window Shading? |
| 15:23.39 | wols | RichiH: why "quake"? |
| 15:23.48 | RichiH | wols: you and your new-fangled naming schemes! |
| 15:23.59 | wols | sowwy |
| 15:24.03 | DeadFishMan | malcom2073: Quake is an "old videogame"? I can't keep up with you youngsters anymore... ^^ |
| 15:24.06 | RichiH | wols: presumably cause they were the first to have it. in any case, i did not name it that way |
| 15:24.07 | enouf | comes down from where? the clouds? O-o |
| 15:24.25 | RichiH | enouf: it slides over whatever you see from the top |
| 15:24.25 | wols | RichiH: quake were the first one with hotkeys? |
| 15:24.29 | SparFux | In debian, there is debfoster and deborphan. Nice. But how can I find stale files which aren't associated with any packages, even though they sit in distribution controlled space, like /usr/bin |
| 15:24.32 | JyZyXEL | lol quake |
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| 15:24.36 | RichiH | wols: the first one with a built-in console |
| 15:24.45 | malcom2073 | Lol DeadFishMan: keep up? how many years ago was that? :P |
| 15:24.46 | JyZyXEL | there is so much Quake in apt |
| 15:24.48 | JyZyXEL | !quake |
| 15:24.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, quake is one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
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| 15:24.55 | RichiH | hmm, or did duke nukem have one.. |
| 15:25.03 | malcom2073 | I wonder if airquake works in linux |
| 15:25.05 | enouf | RichiH: window shading - most DEs window managers do that - 1st saw that crap on a Macintosh |
| 15:25.06 | beardy | No. |
| 15:25.07 | wols | I think even doom did |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | SparFux: there is a package .. let me look |
| 15:25.19 | DeadFishMan | malcom2073: I don't know. Don't play anything much these days, except Guitar Hero on the PS2. lol |
| 15:25.36 | RichiH | wols: i doubt that. you had to enter cheats in-game in doom |
| 15:25.39 | Debian`` | hello package for compile prova.c on x86 pc for generate binary for mipsel? |
| 15:25.41 | DeadFishMan | malcom2073: But when I think old, I mean circa 1999 games and older. |
| 15:25.42 | RichiH | and in duke nukem.. hmm.. |
| 15:25.48 | beardy | RichiH: No. |
| 15:26.18 | malcom2073 | Lol, well quake is considered old then :P |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | SparFux: cruft |
| 15:26.33 | SparFux | Ah, thx! |
| 15:26.39 | enouf | Agiofws: how did it break? |
| 15:26.39 | Yasuo | hi there |
| 15:27.14 | DeadFishMan | malcom2073: Did the first one have the console thing? I can't quite remember... Played some deathmatchs with Quake a few years ago, but that was definitely using the OSS Quake2 engine, which had it |
| 15:27.21 | Yasuo | sometimes my truecrypt-mounted drive crashes - is tehre a way to remount it without rebooting? It says "device busy" so i cannot dismount it |
| 15:27.36 | beardy | Quake has a "console" yes. |
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| 15:28.06 | beardy | types dnstuff, idkfa and lim, and runs off. |
| 15:28.09 | Yasuo | also ran "exportfs -u localhost:/foobar" and stopped samba |
| 15:28.09 | DeadFishMan | Either way, yakuake is a nice quake-style console for KDE and I believe that there is something similar for GNOME too out there... |
| 15:28.43 | Yasuo | yeah yakuake>all im using it too ^^ |
| 15:28.56 | Yasuo | s/^^//g |
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| 15:30.34 | enouf | omg .. i was pronouncing that as u-cockie :-P .. it's meant to be 'you quake' yahoo style? |
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| 15:31.43 | DeadFishMan | enouf: lol, I guess so! English not being my mother tongue, all these web2.0 and FSF recursive names sounds a bit weird to me |
| 15:31.44 | beardy | Lets play some deatmatch cockie? |
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| 15:32.09 | enouf | MTV Celebrity Deathmatch ! |
| 15:32.18 | beardy | Lets get it on! |
| 15:32.32 | DeadFishMan | Debian-style! ^_^ |
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| 15:32.53 | enouf | Obama Bin Laden vs G.W.MadCowDiseased Bush! |
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| 15:33.27 | DeadFishMan | lol |
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| 15:33.47 | wols | osama will win of course. you should have paired him which cheney. that would be a fight |
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| 15:34.51 | enouf | struggles to refrain .. |
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| 15:41.15 | helo | i have one static ip address, which runs its own dns server for my domain. that ip is listed in whois as being the dns server for my domain, and when i use nslookup using the server, it gives reverse dns replies, but i can't get reverse dns to resolve any other way |
| 15:42.18 | helo | the secondary nameserver for my domain is no longer valid... could that be messing up the rev dns queries? |
| 15:42.25 | twobitwork | has anyone had problems with ff3 not fully loading a page... kind of getting hung in the middle of rendering it? |
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| 15:47.12 | DawnLight | can anyone paste a working yakuakerc for the etch yakuake? its in ~/.kde/share/config/yakuakerc |
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| 15:48.21 | RichiH | DawnLight: aren't there any in /usr/share/doc/yakuake? |
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| 15:48.54 | dokma | hi guys |
| 15:49.00 | DawnLight | RichiH: nopy |
| 15:49.02 | dokma | I can't boot off of my new sata drive |
| 15:49.06 | Eulex | DawnLight, it should recreate it if you delete it. |
| 15:49.09 | dokma | did a dd copy of a working disk |
| 15:49.14 | dokma | and no go |
| 15:49.30 | dokma | it looks like my system just does not recognize the disks... |
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| 15:49.37 | dokma | abit nf7-s |
| 15:49.41 | DawnLight | Eulex: it does it wrong, or something. it doesn't make a default hotkey |
| 15:49.42 | dokma | and 2 barracudas |
| 15:49.56 | enouf | reinstall grub, and fix and drive geom issues |
| 15:50.15 | enouf | s/and/any |
| 15:50.41 | dokma | enouf: how can I detect drive geomery issues? |
| 15:50.45 | dokma | I did a dd copy |
| 15:50.58 | dokma | dd if=hda of=sda |
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| 15:52.42 | hellop | Hello. When you edit /etc/crontab how does Linux know it has been changed? The comment in /etc/crontab says, "Unlike other crontabs, you don't have to issue the crontab command when you edit this file." |
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| 15:52.57 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 15:52.57 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 15:53.47 | enouf | hellop: crond is running |
| 15:53.51 | hellop | ok |
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| 15:53.58 | hellop | derr |
| 15:54.11 | debianforlife | does anyone know how to get USB support in Wine? |
| 15:54.15 | enouf | hellop: is my best guess - well, it should be running ;-) |
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| 15:55.05 | enouf | hrm , not i, how about #winehq ? or even ##linux |
| 15:55.24 | debianforlife | yeah, i will check winehq |
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| 15:55.42 | enouf | is that you energY ? |
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| 15:56.07 | tetraedr | hi people |
| 15:56.28 | tetraedr | what package provides glibc man pages (functions, structures, etc...)? |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | tetraedr: manpages-dev |
| 15:56.44 | enouf | i think you need non-free, lmao |
| 15:56.54 | enouf | oh .. hrm |
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| 15:56.54 | tetraedr | jelly, thnx |
| 15:57.21 | themill | no, manpages-dev is in main |
| 15:57.27 | hellop | I'm looking for a curses based firewall monitor similar to firestarter |
| 15:57.31 | jelly | tetraedr: glibc-doc is the comprehensive documentation for libc, and that one is in non-free |
| 15:57.59 | enouf | !tell tetraedr -about glibc doc |
| 15:58.17 | tetraedr | jelly, I've got glibc-doc installed and man [3] strcpy gives nothing |
| 15:58.47 | themill | tetraedr: they're probably info pages |
| 15:58.53 | enouf | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/strcpy.3.gz |
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| 15:59.11 | tetraedr | yeah, got it now, thnx |
| 15:59.42 | jelly | tetraedr: yeah, but you can info libc 'Copying and Concatenation' |
| 16:00.03 | enouf | bah, my apologies, i missed you originally said "glibc man pages" |
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| 16:00.36 | cb3rob2 | arr pirate |
| 16:00.52 | enouf | hey! it's bunkerbummer :-) |
| 16:01.05 | jelly | um, September 19th is in like three months |
| 16:01.05 | cb3rob2 | jup it is. |
| 16:01.22 | cb3rob2 | his majestz the prince of czberbunker for zou |
| 16:01.28 | cb3rob2 | god damn german kezboards |
| 16:02.07 | cb3rob2 | s/z/y and the otherwaz around |
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| 16:04.22 | JyZyXEL | well looks like the IDE -> USB interface doesn't indeed support SMART |
| 16:04.51 | cb3rob2 | ofcourse not.. afaik usb doesnät support smart |
| 16:05.00 | cb3rob2 | and as it acts like a usb storage device |
| 16:05.04 | cb3rob2 | well.. |
| 16:05.08 | JyZyXEL | :\ |
| 16:05.22 | dryrot | what is so bad about debian unstable, besides the name that scares my corporate masters |
| 16:05.35 | JyZyXEL | damn bios won't let me boot if that HD is hooked |
| 16:05.44 | JyZyXEL | it says there is some SMART problem |
| 16:05.54 | JyZyXEL | and doesn't let me continue until the HD is unplugged |
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| 16:06.01 | abrotman | dryrot: things break, sometimes badly |
| 16:06.03 | JyZyXEL | would be nice to know WHAT smart error there is |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 16:06.04 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 16:06.04 | cb3rob2 | you work for zyxel? |
| 16:06.10 | JyZyXEL | me? yea |
| 16:06.16 | cb3rob2 | can u make us a deal on 1000base switches |
| 16:06.18 | themill | dryrot: it's not designed for usage, it's designed for compilation and synchronisation. And if you have to ask, you shouldn't use it. |
| 16:06.25 | JyZyXEL | cb3rob2 yea |
| 16:06.26 | cb3rob2 | as in the ones that do lazer3 as well |
| 16:06.29 | jelly | JyZyXEL: some enclosures in Windows do support reporting of smart attributes. I've no idea how it works. |
| 16:06.37 | abrotman | cb3rob2: STOP |
| 16:06.39 | cb3rob2 | ok mail sven@cyberbunker.com |
| 16:06.49 | cb3rob2 | abrotman: oh |
| 16:07.34 | jelly | JyZyXEL: linux people haven't figured it out yet apparently :-) |
| 16:07.42 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 16:07.46 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:07.46 | enouf | JyZyXEL: disable any smart in the BIOS? |
| 16:08.04 | JyZyXEL | enouf the bios developers screwed up that part |
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| 16:08.13 | cb3rob2 | what has the bios got to do with that.. linux just takes over and scans the pci bus on it's own# |
| 16:08.24 | abrotman | if linux boots |
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| 16:08.29 | abrotman | which he says it doesn't |
| 16:08.31 | enouf | windows versions are likely false |
| 16:08.32 | cb3rob2 | ah.. :P |
| 16:08.34 | cb3rob2 | i c. |
| 16:08.38 | JyZyXEL | crappy BIOS |
| 16:08.46 | abrotman | use whole words |
| 16:08.48 | jelly | JyZyXEL: see eg. http://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2263 |
| 16:08.50 | JyZyXEL | aparrently they don't beta test all the functions =) |
| 16:09.05 | enouf | JyZyXEL: how far does it get? |
| 16:09.22 | enouf | does it get past POST into grub? |
| 16:09.27 | JyZyXEL | enouf no |
| 16:09.35 | JyZyXEL | lol how can you ask that |
| 16:09.36 | enouf | yokes |
| 16:09.39 | cb3rob2 | well... most raid cards come with their own |
| 16:09.40 | cb3rob2 | ddddd |
| 16:09.52 | jelly | abrotman: last I heard, usb was hot pluggable; so he could unplug, boot, replug? |
| 16:09.56 | enouf | er yikes |
| 16:09.56 | JyZyXEL | jelly thats for windows? |
| 16:10.01 | jelly | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 16:10.16 | themill | cb3rob2: Please do try to be more signal and less noise in the channel. And stop hitting enter every few words. |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | jelly: lies! |
| 16:10.23 | JyZyXEL | jelly thats horrible :( |
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| 16:10.44 | cb3rob2 | themill: it's a german keyboard... |
| 16:10.48 | cb3rob2 | thezre horrible. |
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| 16:10.53 | enouf | take it out of the crappy enclosure? reflash your crappy bios? |
| 16:10.54 | hellop | Do you guys know about the firestarter firewall? -> http://www.fs-security.com/ |
| 16:11.23 | cb3rob2 | enouf: some bioses and raid interfaces actually use a different drive geometry |
| 16:11.30 | hellop | You can see every IP that looks at you, the protocol, the bandwidth, turn on/off ports, whitelist blacklist... everything you would want to do. |
| 16:11.31 | jelly | cb3rob2: use setxkbmap (for X) or loadkeys (for console) to switch the keyboard layout |
| 16:11.32 | cb3rob2 | so that could screw stuff up severelz |
| 16:11.51 | hellop | So, my question is, what do you use for your CLI-only srever for firewall monitoring? |
| 16:11.53 | enouf | cb3rob2: different than what? |
| 16:12.01 | cb3rob2 | that worked :P |
| 16:12.10 | cb3rob2 | different from what your other interface uses |
| 16:12.16 | jelly | hellop: tcpdump, iptraf, logs |
| 16:12.17 | cb3rob2 | on which you made the drive |
| 16:12.22 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i could see the chip that is in my IDE -> USB interface |
| 16:12.27 | enouf | my other interfaces? |
| 16:12.37 | cb3rob2 | for example: our sata raid cards only see 153 gb on a 160 gb drive and the mainboard uses it as a 163gb drive |
| 16:12.38 | cb3rob2 | etc |
| 16:12.39 | JyZyXEL | oh yea lsusb |
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| 16:12.50 | cb3rob2 | same for compaq vs normal pc's on normal ide |
| 16:12.59 | cb3rob2 | it screws your filesystem up if it works at all |
| 16:13.07 | SparFux1 | Crashed again! My debian system crashes frequently the past week! |
| 16:13.19 | cb3rob2 | can't just plug in a drive from interface one (let's say usb->sata or ide converter) into another interface |
| 16:13.27 | SparFux1 | I am afraid misdn is to blame. Or at least I HOPE so. |
| 16:13.37 | beardy | SparFux1: Don't blame th operating system. Check your RAM, check your temperatures. |
| 16:14.05 | XTZGZoReX | Where do I make my ssh motd? |
| 16:14.06 | beardy | !memtest86+ |
| 16:14.07 | dpkg | memtest is probably http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 16:14.17 | mot | is it possible to get the kde4.1RC in lenny? |
| 16:14.22 | SparFux1 | Yes, that's a good idea. |
| 16:14.53 | hellop | jelly, thanks for the reply |
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| 16:15.30 | themill | dpkg: tell mot about kde4 |
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| 16:18.10 | beardy | XTZGZoReX: /etc/issue.net I think. |
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| 16:18.39 | XTZGZoReX | beardy: k, thanks |
| 16:18.47 | jelly | hellop: note than tcpdump, iptraf and other sniffers capture the traffic before iptables filtering |
| 16:19.20 | beardy | XTZGZoReX: If you mean something that should be displayed before login. |
| 16:20.09 | XTZGZoReX | beardy: I meant something that's displayed after login |
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| 16:20.36 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.43 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.00 | XTZGZoReX | In putty i dont see /etc/issue before login =O |
| 16:21.04 | XTZGZoReX | maybe it supresses it |
| 16:21.08 | cb3rob2 | because it uses ssh |
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| 16:21.20 | cb3rob2 | sshd calls /bin/login with the username already there |
| 16:21.27 | XTZGZoReX | /etc/motd is what it displays by default, right? |
| 16:21.32 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 16:21.32 | XTZGZoReX | =o |
| 16:21.35 | cb3rob2 | as does getty on modem lines but at least getty has the courtesy to read out the file on it's own |
| 16:21.37 | rahul | sshd calls /bin/login? |
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| 16:21.53 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.01 | stoned | rahul: hi |
| 16:22.01 | cb3rob2 | yes, you can make sshd call /bin/login |
| 16:22.06 | cb3rob2 | it doesn't even always do that |
| 16:22.07 | rahul | stoned: ho |
| 16:22.09 | stoned | I hate exchange server 07 |
| 16:22.15 | stoned | just so you know... |
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| 16:22.16 | rahul | hi ho. it's off to drink I go |
| 16:22.21 | cb3rob2 | and if you do it just parses the username directly to login |
| 16:22.21 | rahul | stoned: well duh |
| 16:22.28 | stoned | rahul: yo what you doin tonight? |
| 16:22.29 | cb3rob2 | so issue.net is never displayed |
| 16:22.29 | rahul | stoned: the "07" part is extraneous |
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| 16:22.41 | stoned | rahul: well whatever, I hate it but it pays the bills |
| 16:22.42 | stoned | w/e |
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| 16:23.00 | rahul | stoned: cd release party where I'm friends with the promoter and a friend's metal-ish band |
| 16:23.16 | stoned | let me know if there is a debian get together |
| 16:23.23 | g00se | streuner: have you ever used the BBC iPlayer with gnash? |
| 16:23.24 | cb3rob2 | (unless you just modify /bin/login to completely ignore the passed username, act against sshd as if it all worked and then go to the normal telnet procedure ;) |
| 16:23.27 | stoned | checks debian nyc soc mailing list |
| 16:23.31 | rahul | you'd be more in the know about that :P |
| 16:23.31 | cb3rob2 | but that can screw up scp etc |
| 16:23.41 | hellop | jelly: thank you Iptraf is just what I was looking for. Basically I want to log any IP that looks at my box. Also, to detect attacks, DOS, port scans... Something like Checkpoint Firewall-1 |
| 16:23.44 | cb3rob2 | and ppl have to supply the username twice |
| 16:24.14 | stoned | I ordered a power connect today |
| 16:24.22 | stoned | first unmanaged dell switch, lets see how it works |
| 16:24.31 | stoned | first for me anyway |
| 16:24.31 | cb3rob2 | unmanaged.. yuk.. |
| 16:24.46 | stoned | I don't make buying decisions unfortunately :( |
| 16:24.51 | stoned | or control the budget |
| 16:24.58 | cb3rob2 | why not zyxel.. they act just like 3com/cisco.. and they're cheaper and good. |
| 16:25.03 | cb3rob2 | and nice and black |
| 16:25.10 | cb3rob2 | and they fit in 1u |
| 16:25.14 | stoned | if you can get management to listen to admins you'd be the man. |
| 16:25.25 | cb3rob2 | hmm.. well most isps are set up and owned by nerds |
| 16:25.27 | rahul | heh |
| 16:25.36 | cb3rob2 | unfortunately that doesn't go for other types of companies. |
| 16:25.39 | rahul | his boss wanted me to make custom accounting software for like $10,000 |
| 16:25.43 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:25.45 | stoned | I'm like dude |
| 16:25.52 | stoned | he was tryign to pay me max 25k |
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| 16:25.54 | hellop | Any suggestions for detecting DOSing? Or, does everyone just write their own firewall? |
| 16:25.56 | SparFux1 | is testing memory. |
| 16:25.56 | stoned | I'm like blah... |
| 16:26.02 | cb3rob2 | hehehehe |
| 16:26.17 | rahul | hellop: if you can't detect DOS... you don't have a site worth DOSing :P |
| 16:26.22 | cb3rob2 | i always go i want 8000 euro/mo minimum, tax free and a mercedes vito (new) from the company. |
| 16:26.26 | stoned | anyway |
| 16:26.33 | stoned | later, I gotta go to the mosque for friday prayer |
| 16:26.34 | cb3rob2 | or else i'll jsut go somewhere else |
| 16:26.38 | stoned | bye |
| 16:26.43 | cb3rob2 | and you pay my hotel while i stay in your crappy country |
| 16:26.44 | rahul | see ya |
| 16:26.44 | cb3rob2 | that too |
| 16:26.45 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:26.52 | cb3rob2 | thats how you handle employers |
| 16:27.49 | hellop | I would like a firewall management console that had as much detail and options for iptables as azareus has for bittorrent. |
| 16:28.09 | cb3rob2 | thats one way to put it. |
| 16:28.13 | rahul | hellop: it's good to want |
| 16:28.22 | cb3rob2 | hellop: i would like a better kernel |
| 16:28.27 | rahul | shuts up before he is made to shut up |
| 16:28.34 | hellop | But it seems like there isn't something like that. There, Etherape, Ethereal, Firestarter |
| 16:28.40 | cb3rob2 | first of all the backend below iptables can't even change/modify ALL flags in the ip header |
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| 16:28.48 | cb3rob2 | let alone specific bits outside of the flags |
| 16:29.01 | cb3rob2 | iptables is not to blaim |
| 16:29.03 | cb3rob2 | the kernel is |
| 16:29.05 | rahul | cb3rob2: it is an extensible API |
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| 16:29.21 | cb3rob2 | well we had to put ip_forward.c upside down to reset the DF bit on all packets |
| 16:29.27 | cb3rob2 | and that's fairly straightforward on cisco |
| 16:29.34 | cb3rob2 | just make a routemap |
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| 16:30.15 | cb3rob2 | the kernel should provide an interface to test and modify any bit in any ip packet (not just the header) |
| 16:30.29 | rahul | it does |
| 16:30.35 | rahul | it's called iptables |
| 16:30.39 | cb3rob2 | it surely does not. |
| 16:30.47 | cb3rob2 | go onto freshmeat and find my patch for resetting the DF bit |
| 16:30.48 | rahul | you can add any module you want to it |
| 16:30.48 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:30.53 | cb3rob2 | you cant |
| 16:30.58 | cb3rob2 | because the kernel does not allow those bits. |
| 16:31.03 | hellop | All I need to to is sqwish Etherape, Ethereal, Firestarter and sendip together with an Ncurses GUI! simple I will start now |
| 16:31.03 | rahul | ok, maybe you can't, but I can |
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| 16:31.16 | rahul | cb3rob2: the linux IP stack doesn't have those bits in the packets? |
| 16:31.16 | cb3rob2 | it only allows a fairly limited set of stuff from the ip header to be tested and modified |
| 16:31.20 | hellop | do* |
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| 16:31.41 | cb3rob2 | rahul: but packets sent from windows nt/xp/2000/2003/2005 servers do |
| 16:31.42 | cb3rob2 | sometimes |
| 16:31.48 | cb3rob2 | and mozilla htp upload packets from clients do |
| 16:31.50 | vince36 | hi guys...can you actaully listen to a song on deezer.com , flash needed, yesterday i listened, today impossible , anyone having this problem ? |
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| 16:32.14 | hellop | vince36, there was flash update recently.. coupld days ago. |
| 16:32.16 | cb3rob2 | and therefore they don't fit through mtu 1480 (ipip) or otehr lower-than-the-server-has (1500) mtu networks |
| 16:32.21 | cb3rob2 | and then tcp sessions break. |
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| 16:32.26 | cb3rob2 | so we reset them on our border routers |
| 16:32.28 | stmaher | Hello everyonel.. |
| 16:32.33 | stmaher | Little bash scripting help.. |
| 16:32.34 | rahul | cb3rob2: and if you forward packets through iptables, the bits disappear because the data isn't in linux? |
| 16:32.39 | vince36 | hellop, i reinstalled it today from their site |
| 16:32.40 | cb3rob2 | which works fine on cisco but on linux you actually need to mess with the kernel source |
| 16:32.51 | stmaher | the following command cg6kcon -c "nopause;eth;q"|grep DOWN|wc -l outputs 1 occurace of the word down.. |
| 16:32.53 | cb3rob2 | as the DF bit cannot be reset BEFORE forwarding on the normal kernel tree |
| 16:33.08 | cb3rob2 | not with iptables nor directly in /proc |
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| 16:33.26 | stmaher | I want to be able to do an if statement in the one line with that bash line so I can do something if there are 2 occurances of the word down.. |
| 16:33.27 | stmaher | man ythanks |
| 16:33.34 | behrad | where can i found mppc(microsoft point to point compression) patch for debian etch kernel? |
| 16:33.34 | cb3rob2 | and that's a pretty basic operation that needs to be done before forwarding on ANY <1500 mtu network. |
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| 16:33.36 | rahul | cb3rob2: that's like saying that adding a flash plugin to mozilla involves hacking the source to mozilla |
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| 16:33.52 | cb3rob2 | rahul: honey.. trust me, can't be done.. |
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| 16:33.55 | cb3rob2 | been there did that |
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| 16:34.11 | rahul | cb3rob2: iptables can't mangle before forwarding? |
| 16:34.22 | cb3rob2 | NOT on the DF bit. |
| 16:34.27 | cb3rob2 | only on -some- bits. |
| 16:34.30 | rahul | cb3rob2: what does that even mean? |
| 16:34.37 | cb3rob2 | don't fragent |
| 16:34.37 | rahul | cb3rob2: the bits don't exist in the kernel memory? |
| 16:34.50 | hellop | vince36, works in windows, you could always install firefox/flash/shockwave in wine |
| 16:34.54 | rahul | I know what the bit means... I don't know what it means that the kernel memory for them is unwritable |
| 16:34.57 | cb3rob2 | the kernel provides no means for userspace programs to mess with it |
| 16:35.12 | rahul | cb3rob2: what does iptables have to do with userspace? |
| 16:35.16 | vince36 | lol , hellop , no i can't |
| 16:35.29 | cb3rob2 | rahul: iptables is generally run in iptables |
| 16:35.30 | rahul | cb3rob2: and the kernel better not let random user programs send out arbitrary packets on the network |
| 16:35.32 | cb3rob2 | uh userspace |
| 16:35.44 | jelly | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/netfilter/packet_flow/packet_flow9.png |
| 16:35.47 | cb3rob2 | rahul: unless they're run as root :P\ |
| 16:35.47 | vince36 | hellop, can yu listen to a song on deezer.com under debian ? |
| 16:35.51 | cb3rob2 | such as iptables. |
| 16:35.55 | rahul | cb3rob2: ... what?? the kernel code runs in userspace? |
| 16:36.04 | cb3rob2 | rahul: make sense plese. |
| 16:36.06 | cb3rob2 | please. |
| 16:36.07 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:36.10 | hellop | vince36, They have a links player? |
| 16:36.12 | XTZGZoReX | How does one put colors in /etc/motd? |
| 16:36.13 | rahul | vince36: do other music playing sites work? |
| 16:36.19 | cb3rob2 | you go and try to reset the DF bit on all packets some other way |
| 16:36.21 | cb3rob2 | and then come back |
| 16:36.22 | rahul | cb3rob2: I'm repeating what you say |
| 16:36.26 | cb3rob2 | it took me like 3 months |
| 16:36.28 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:36.36 | cb3rob2 | the kernel does not, i repeat, not |
| 16:36.38 | wols | nimm obedience cb3rob2 all that iptables does is change settings of netfilter. if you write a neato netfilter module, iptables is your itnerface to it and your module can change the evil bit or whatever |
| 16:36.38 | rahul | cb3rob2: it took you 3 months to write a simple plugin for iptables? |
| 16:36.38 | cb3rob2 | provide any other way |
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| 16:36.50 | cb3rob2 | option 2 was to just plug a cisco infront of any linux router |
| 16:36.51 | cb3rob2 | :P |
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| 16:36.57 | cb3rob2 | to only do that |
| 16:37.09 | behrad | where can i found mppc(microsoft point to point compression) patch for debian etch kernel? |
| 16:37.47 | vince36 | hellop, sorry can't really understand yur question, here for exemple yu shd hear a song http://www.deezer.com/track/2092 , the player shd bon on the right, in a square |
| 16:38.06 | cb3rob2 | and no, the kernel cannot -route- packets into user space either. |
| 16:38.09 | cb3rob2 | fyi. |
| 16:38.13 | rahul | vince36: can you hear music from a site like pandora or myspace or amiestreet or imeem or whatever? |
| 16:38.16 | cb3rob2 | otherwise tor would not be such an issue now would it |
| 16:38.17 | cb3rob2 | :P |
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| 16:38.21 | rahul | cb3rob2: you are on crack |
| 16:38.26 | cb3rob2 | no i'm not. |
| 16:38.27 | vince36 | rahul, im gonna check myspace |
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| 16:38.32 | rahul | cb3rob2: what the hell does userspace have to do with this? |
| 16:38.46 | cb3rob2 | rahul: well you -could- potenitally do it in userspace |
| 16:38.51 | rahul | cb3rob2: why would you? |
| 16:38.57 | cb3rob2 | because the kernel can't. |
| 16:39.03 | cb3rob2 | try.. you'll see... |
| 16:39.04 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:39.05 | rahul | cb3rob2: the kernel can't change its memory? |
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| 16:39.08 | vince36 | rahul, on my space the player works fine |
| 16:39.14 | rahul | vince36: interesting... |
| 16:39.20 | cb3rob2 | ah you want to read kernel memory and modify the packets there.. |
| 16:39.21 | rahul | vince36: I'll check at the end of this song |
| 16:39.25 | cb3rob2 | as in polling |
| 16:39.30 | rahul | polling? |
| 16:39.32 | cb3rob2 | and checking wether a packet just happens to be there.. |
| 16:39.34 | cb3rob2 | oh dear. |
| 16:39.41 | cb3rob2 | what if you miss that one packet :P |
| 16:39.43 | rahul | cb3rob2: I'm going to stop talking to you before I get banned |
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| 16:40.02 | cb3rob2 | it's not debian specific anyway |
| 16:40.08 | cb3rob2 | so not strictly on topic |
| 16:40.10 | vince36 | so i think it's a deezer.com site problem |
| 16:40.10 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:40.23 | rahul | cb3rob2: it's not linux specific either |
| 16:40.27 | cb3rob2 | it is. |
| 16:40.37 | cb3rob2 | all other router operating systems provide better means |
| 16:40.39 | rahul | your inability to write C code is irrelevant to any channel :) |
| 16:40.45 | cb3rob2 | and can check and modify ALL ip flags |
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| 16:41.05 | Spliffster | gnome/X11 experts: can i configure applications to start on a specific display (gnome-session-manager doesn't seem to be capable)? |
| 16:41.20 | Eulex | try devilspie |
| 16:41.21 | cb3rob2 | rahul: funnily enough, my kernel modifications are in use on various networks |
| 16:41.24 | cb3rob2 | how about yours. |
| 16:41.25 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:41.51 | cb3rob2 | you try to get linux to consider refragmenting 1500 mtu packets over a 512mtu or so ppp link |
| 16:41.53 | cb3rob2 | and we'll talk |
| 16:42.05 | cb3rob2 | but i guarantee you it can't be done with anything the linus-kernel-tree provides |
| 16:42.08 | vince36 | rahul, btw, sadly, pandora doesn't work anymore with countries else than US i think... |
| 16:42.10 | rahul | cb3rob2: works for me |
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| 16:42.20 | dokma | hey guys |
| 16:42.21 | cb3rob2 | as long as DF isn't set that is.. |
| 16:42.25 | rahul | cb3rob2: yeah, pandora had to block beause they were under pressure from labels |
| 16:42.27 | cb3rob2 | if it is, good luck. |
| 16:42.28 | dokma | what's the best way to blank an ext3 partition? |
| 16:42.36 | jelly | dd? |
| 16:42.40 | dokma | don't wanna wait for rm -rf |
| 16:42.40 | rahul | erm |
| 16:42.46 | rahul | vince36: ^ |
| 16:42.47 | dokma | jelly dd ? |
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| 16:42.58 | jelly | dokma: rm doesn't blank the data aprts. |
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| 16:43.15 | dokma | actually I just want all contents deleted |
| 16:43.22 | dokma | doesn't have to be blanked |
| 16:43.24 | jelly | dokma: if you just want an empty partition, umount and mkfs it again |
| 16:43.25 | cb3rob2 | oh and besides.. linux DOES impose the same problem.. but only with http file uploads from mozilla |
| 16:43.25 | Spliffster | doe any one know how to start an application on a specific desktop when X11 starts ? |
| 16:43.33 | sohmestra | dokma: mkfs.ext3? |
| 16:43.36 | rahul | vince36: must be a new version of flash player I don't have |
| 16:43.39 | dokma | jelly: that's exactly what I thought |
| 16:43.39 | cb3rob2 | which actually poops out 1500 mtu packets with df set |
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| 16:43.56 | dokma | but haven't got enough experience so I thought I'd check first |
| 16:44.14 | rahul | vince36: maybe you need flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound? |
| 16:44.15 | cb3rob2 | just like the mickey$oft versions btw |
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| 16:44.21 | lewis22 | does anyone have the SNMP MIBs/OIDs for Cisco Aironet 1130AG? I can connect, but can't get anything useful out of it... |
| 16:44.27 | jelly | cb3rob2: whatever, lower the mtu |
| 16:44.36 | cb3rob2 | jelly: -that- is not an option. |
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| 16:44.42 | jelly | cb3rob2: why? |
| 16:44.43 | vince36 | rahul, i installed the version from today |
| 16:44.50 | cb3rob2 | see that traffic has to -pass- a network with a lower mtu |
| 16:44.52 | rahul | vince36: in what release? |
| 16:44.55 | cb3rob2 | it doesn't originate from such networks |
| 16:44.58 | vince36 | etch |
| 16:45.02 | jelly | cb3rob2: that's a common workaround |
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| 16:45.06 | abrotman | !tell cb3rob2 about enter |
| 16:45.06 | cb3rob2 | our linux routers all happen to be somewhere in the middle |
| 16:45.15 | rahul | vince36: I don't even see a version in etch |
| 16:45.22 | cb3rob2 | and apckets that come in with mtu 1500 don't go out the other end with mtu 512 if DF is set |
| 16:45.29 | cb3rob2 | because then it doesn't refragment (duh) |
| 16:45.34 | cb3rob2 | so you have to reset DF. |
| 16:45.38 | rahul | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 16:45.40 | cb3rob2 | and iptables can't do it |
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| 16:45.43 | zxxxd | hey |
| 16:45.47 | cb3rob2 | neither can the kernel |
| 16:45.47 | vince36 | rahul, i've it |
| 16:45.49 | zxxxd | amd64 arch is the same as x86-64 ? |
| 16:45.55 | jelly | cb3rob2: this is not a debian-specific issue, however. Try #netfilter or #iptables, or ##kernel |
| 16:45.55 | rahul | zxxxd: yes |
| 16:46.06 | cb3rob2 | i told you that one like 30 lines ago,... |
| 16:46.07 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:46.07 | vince36 | rahul, nope i installed from the adobe site |
| 16:46.12 | jelly | cb3rob2: or, most likely, the linux-net list |
| 16:46.13 | zxxxd | same as Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5335 @ 2.00GHz ? rahul |
| 16:46.14 | cb3rob2 | it's linux specific, not debian specific |
| 16:46.15 | rahul | vince36: oh... no clue |
| 16:46.20 | rahul | zxxxd: er, I think so |
| 16:46.31 | enouf | Spliffster: if kde, just add the app to ~/.kde/Autostart or similar |
| 16:46.32 | jelly | cb3rob2: this is not a channel for linux-specific issues. |
| 16:46.38 | cb3rob2 | i know :P |
| 16:46.40 | cb3rob2 | sorry. |
| 16:46.41 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:47.19 | enouf | Spliffster: if not using a DM, use ~/.xinitrc , or if you are using a DM, use ~/.xsession fije |
| 16:47.28 | Spliffster | enouf: unfortunately i need a gnome or X11 solution |
| 16:47.38 | rahul | enouf: .xsession works for non-DM, too |
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| 16:48.00 | XTZGZoReX | How does one make colors in files on Debian(using nano(= |
| 16:48.02 | XTZGZoReX | )?* |
| 16:48.06 | Spliffster | enouf: how can i set the pos and desktop when i start an x app in .xinitrc ? |
| 16:48.11 | rahul | XTZGZoReX: nano? haha |
| 16:48.11 | cb3rob2 | wtf ::P |
| 16:48.14 | cb3rob2 | hahaha |
| 16:48.20 | bokey | what's wrong with nano? |
| 16:48.23 | rahul | Spliffster: that depends on your WM |
| 16:48.24 | XTZGZoReX | rahul: no laughs plox |
| 16:48.25 | cb3rob2 | probalbly from italy :P |
| 16:48.26 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: you mean turn on syntax highlighting ? |
| 16:48.27 | enouf | rahul: so never a need for .xinitrc eh? |
| 16:48.36 | rgr | in order to rsnapshot a remote mailserver I added the necessary lines into the rsnapshot.conf. But It needs to ssh into the server as root. I enabled the option in sshd_config on the mailserver but it is still refusing root ssh login. Can anyone think of what might be the issue? |
| 16:48.39 | rahul | enouf: .xinitrc will override the thing that calls .xsession |
| 16:48.44 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: no, colors, so that for example cat /etc/myfile will display lines with colors |
| 16:48.49 | Eulex | Spliffster, <Eulex> try devilspie |
| 16:48.51 | cb3rob2 | just run nano --ciao-a-tutti |
| 16:48.52 | rahul | enouf: as well as doing some other setup... check /etc/X11/xinit, I believe |
| 16:49.00 | abrotman | cb3rob2: stop being a tard |
| 16:49.05 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 16:49.06 | cb3rob2 | ok |
| 16:49.07 | rahul | cat with colors? |
| 16:49.10 | abrotman | i'm not kidding |
| 16:49.10 | rahul | wtf |
| 16:49.15 | enouf | rahul: that's why i mentioned xsession :-p |
| 16:49.28 | Spliffster | enouf, rahul thank you. i'll check wm man page. aren't there any parameters which are WM unspecific lie --geometry ? |
| 16:49.37 | XTZGZoReX | rahul: well, more like, colors in motd |
| 16:49.43 | XTZGZoReX | rahul: to be exact |
| 16:50.17 | rahul | Spliffster: well, the interpretation of that is up to the WM |
| 16:50.19 | Eulex | XTZGZoReX, you insert the appropriate escape character sequences. |
| 16:50.33 | enouf | Spliffster: i'd say for most generic; man xset, man X, man startx, etc |
| 16:50.35 | rahul | Spliffster: but yeah... if your WM deals with it the way you like, you're set |
| 16:50.37 | XTZGZoReX | Eulex: I have no idea which ones to use :) or how colors work, for that sake |
| 16:50.53 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.55 | rgr | anyone? how to ssh in as root? the option is enabled already in sshd_config. |
| 16:50.56 | cb3rob2 | for that matter. |
| 16:51.11 | Spliffster | enouf, rahul: thank you for the hints. this was very helpful. |
| 16:51.16 | cb3rob2 | and no, nano/pico cannot insert them as they don't accept control-v escpae |
| 16:51.27 | cb3rob2 | cat > file can tho |
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| 16:51.38 | gnu2 | hello how can set browser default in xchat?web opera |
| 16:51.45 | WormFood | rgr, it is a bad idea to ssh in as root, it is better to ssh in as a normal user, then "su -" to root |
| 16:51.51 | jelly | behrad: I thought 2.6.18 already had MPPE/MPPC support? |
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| 16:51.54 | Eulex | XTZGZoReX, http://rtfm.etla.org/xterm/ctlseq.html |
| 16:51.54 | XTZGZoReX | cb3rob2: isnt that a little.. hard.. to work with? if I want to color specific parts ot the file |
| 16:52.01 | rgr | WormFood: it is for rsnapshot. Its not a manual thing. |
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| 16:52.12 | rahul | XTZGZoReX: you're the one who wants to use nano, not us |
| 16:52.15 | cb3rob2 | wormfood: actually, it's a far worse idea to leave suid root programs such as ... su, sudo, traceroute and ping lingering around |
| 16:52.22 | cb3rob2 | as they're an invitation to local exploits |
| 16:52.24 | enouf | XTZGZoReX: http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html and http://linuxfocus.org/English/May2004/article335.shtml |
| 16:52.41 | rahul | you know what's really bad to have around? a kernel that can access memory directly. |
| 16:52.43 | SparFux1 | The only use of nano is to fit on small disks. |
| 16:52.43 | cb3rob2 | and hte use of ssh is bad as well.. as ssh is the program with the most remote-root-expoits ever out there |
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| 16:52.52 | kshah | I ran 'date' and my box apparently thinks it is a 8:46... what can I run to correctly get the time, and do i need to write a cron task to keep that updated? |
| 16:53.01 | rahul | syscalls are an invitation for exploits |
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| 16:53.07 | cb3rob2 | yes.. and insmod/modprobe |
| 16:53.11 | cb3rob2 | and a kernel that supports them |
| 16:53.14 | rgr | cb3rob2: I've heard it all now ... Thanks. |
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| 16:53.19 | SparFux1 | cb3rob2: Use ssh with a setting only alloweing non-root-users and only specifically specified users to log in. |
| 16:53.24 | cb3rob2 | a lot of kiddies actually inserted their backdoors into kernel memory back in the days |
| 16:53.36 | rahul | yeah, we need to disable all syscalls |
| 16:53.36 | cb3rob2 | by means of insmod |
| 16:53.48 | cb3rob2 | especially ptrace() :P |
| 16:54.02 | cb3rob2 | that one first as it's only used by old versions of top anyway |
| 16:55.04 | cb3rob2 | oh well.. rahul: why don't you cat /dev/kmem and search for your shadow file list :P while i order more beer. |
| 16:55.05 | cb3rob2 | bbl |
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| 16:56.07 | SparFux1 | If there were so many serious problems with ssh, then I would not get brute-force attacks persistently trying to log in as root, admin, guest, gast, guest001, 002 003..... |
| 16:56.13 | jelly | behrad: it's been there since, I think, 2.6.15 |
| 16:56.21 | rahul | Spliffster: YHBT |
| 16:56.33 | cb3rob2 | sparfux: oh well.. start a shell provider and uh.. accept paypal ;) |
| 16:56.42 | cb3rob2 | and see what your indonesian and hong kong people do. |
| 16:56.48 | cb3rob2 | it's not bruteforcing.. :P |
| 16:56.58 | cb3rob2 | it's actual root exploits for -all- versions of ssl/ssh |
| 16:57.11 | cb3rob2 | found the paypal user database in home dirs of suers 3 t times so far |
| 16:57.16 | Spliffster | rahul: argh! |
| 16:57.16 | cb3rob2 | so far for paypal.. |
| 16:57.25 | cb3rob2 | severe-security-hole protocol |
| 16:57.34 | cb3rob2 | aka the severe-securityissue-layer |
| 16:57.34 | abrotman | cb3rob2: try to stay on topic |
| 16:57.41 | cb3rob2 | hmm true |
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| 16:57.48 | cb3rob2 | -> beer. |
| 16:57.55 | pozic | How can I make sure that Evolution does not ask for a password? All these "keyring" ideas are all nice and well, but some people don't require that amount of "security". I want that the login password unlocks whatever keyring the applications use. |
| 16:57.56 | rahul | or just to say things that are sensible regardless of topic |
| 16:57.59 | jelly | cb3rob2: it's better to restrict yourself to providing help for actual questions asked. Bear in mind this is a support channel. |
| 16:58.03 | behrad | jelly, thanks |
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| 16:58.26 | pozic | The Evolution 174 page manual doesn't state anything useful around the "keyring" pages. |
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| 16:58.40 | jelly | behrad: I have pptpd on a machine running, last time I tried it worked with a win2000 client. |
| 16:58.41 | rahul | pozic: isn't there a channel specific to the app? |
| 16:58.43 | cb3rob2 | arrr |
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| 16:58.48 | rahul | pozic: if not, I guess #gnome? |
| 16:58.49 | pozic | rahul: no, there is ##gnome. |
| 16:58.50 | Spliffster | rahul: $ wtf YHBT: Gee... I don't know what argh means... |
| 16:59.00 | pozic | rahul: but ##gnome doesn't know. |
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| 16:59.07 | jelly | Spliffster: You have been trolled. |
| 16:59.08 | rahul | pozic: so why would we? |
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| 16:59.13 | rahul | Spliffster: my wtf has it... |
| 16:59.14 | Spliffster | argh! |
| 16:59.21 | pozic | rahul: #debian generally has more clue. |
| 16:59.57 | pozic | rahul: and it does work like I describe in Ubuntu according to some Ubuntu user in ##gnome. |
| 17:00.29 | rahul | pozic: check the patch file in the ubunu sources for the package |
| 17:00.55 | kshah | how can I keep my system time up to date? |
| 17:01.01 | pozic | rahul: and these ubuntu sources can be found where exactly? Launchpad? |
| 17:01.04 | rahul | kshah: install ntp-simple |
| 17:01.06 | cb3rob2 | apt-get update; apt-get -y update |
| 17:01.10 | kshah | ok |
| 17:01.12 | Spliffster | ok ok , is eome one not 1337 enough to tell my how to start any window on a certain display if X11 starts ? |
| 17:01.19 | cb3rob2 | uh upgrade\ |
| 17:01.22 | cb3rob2 | on that last one |
| 17:01.26 | cb3rob2 | apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade |
| 17:01.26 | rahul | pozic: ubuntu mirrors... I don't know... #ubuntu might be able to direct you |
| 17:01.27 | cb3rob2 | that one |
| 17:01.30 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 17:01.46 | rahul | cb3rob2: no |
| 17:01.55 | kshah | worked like a charm rahul |
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| 17:02.05 | pozic | rahul: I would rather just hear something from an actual user, but I can try this in the mean time. |
| 17:02.14 | pozic | Suggestions for other mail clients are welcome too. |
| 17:02.20 | rahul | pozic: a user probably won't know what their distro did |
| 17:02.44 | pozic | rahul: I mean from a Debian user that already configured it via <random method>. |
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| 17:02.52 | cb3rob2 | rahul: please park the elephant in backwards sir.. you go and have a look at the linux kernel source code first |
| 17:02.53 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 17:03.08 | cb3rob2 | anyway.. i'll order my beer... bbl |
| 17:03.08 | rahul | pozic: you'd be lucky to find an evolution user in here, I'd think |
| 17:03.42 | pozic | rahul: what do you use as mail client? |
| 17:03.49 | stoned | backaratcha |
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| 17:04.23 | defrysk | <-- evolution |
| 17:04.33 | rahul | pozic: gnus |
| 17:04.38 | netsrot | anyone knows a mobilephone which I can use as an usb stick in debian/linux which is for sale in sweden? |
| 17:05.08 | defrysk | netsrot, go to the swedish #debian |
| 17:05.08 | rahul | netsrot: anything that shows up in windows as a usb disk will do the same in linux |
| 17:05.13 | jelly | !se |
| 17:05.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:05.21 | pozic | rahul: I used and configured gnus. I thought it was way too slow. YMMV. |
| 17:05.33 | rahul | pozic: it can be slow, yes.. :\ |
| 17:05.49 | rahul | pozic: but it reads my mail for me, so it's faster for me :P |
| 17:06.08 | pozic | rahul: you mean like via the speakers? |
| 17:06.13 | rahul | heh |
| 17:06.17 | netsrot | thanks |
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| 17:06.25 | rahul | pozic: nah. I just have it very automated |
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| 17:06.49 | pozic | rahul: oh, you have some NLP system behind it. Good for you. |
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| 17:07.33 | rahul | not quite that fancy, but yeah :) |
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| 17:15.50 | BearDK | hi, I'm running Etch on a Thinkpad R51 but I can't make the LCD go into powersave mode. Anyone know how to do it? |
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| 17:16.29 | cahoot | BearDK: already looked at thinkwiki.org? |
| 17:17.06 | BearDK | cahoot: no, I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 17:19.09 | stoned | nlp |
| 17:19.35 | stoned | my dad has a few books on it (psychiatry shit) |
| 17:19.38 | stoned | good stuff |
| 17:20.07 | enouf | psycho? :-P |
| 17:20.22 | stoned | he treats psychos :) |
| 17:20.25 | cahoot | psykchiatry shit ie korpolalia? |
| 17:20.26 | stoned | like you! oooh burn! |
| 17:20.30 | cahoot | meh |
| 17:21.10 | enouf | heh, we see how good a job he's done on you :-P |
| 17:21.13 | enouf | runs |
| 17:21.30 | stoned | job.. dude I ran away when I was 16, got emancipated and been on my own since |
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| 17:21.36 | stoned | i had to get out of there |
| 17:21.37 | stoned | anywya |
| 17:21.45 | g00se | cahoot: you mean coprolalia? Don't talk s*** |
| 17:21.46 | stoned | blah... I am now setting up etch on this optiplex |
| 17:21.51 | stoned | and its a pain the freaking patoot |
| 17:21.58 | stoned | damn sata raid bullshit |
| 17:22.05 | Tyler | how do i change my default runlevel at startup, and what should i change it to to boot straight to console? |
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| 17:22.10 | Tyler | i don't want x to start |
| 17:22.13 | cahoot | g00se: correct - came out a bit mangled |
| 17:22.15 | stoned | !nodm |
| 17:22.16 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 17:22.17 | enouf | perc5 ? |
| 17:22.24 | stoned | Tyler: debian has no run levels like that |
| 17:22.26 | stoned | !runlevels |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 17:22.38 | Tyler | oh, okay |
| 17:23.00 | g00se | cahoot: they do sometimes |
| 17:23.00 | enouf | Tyler: or edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 1 as default |
| 17:23.13 | Tyler | well that would be single user? |
| 17:23.18 | Tyler | i want multiuser, just no x |
| 17:23.28 | poseidon | Whats the difference between /usr/lib and /lib? |
| 17:23.32 | enouf | then customize one of 3-5 |
| 17:23.34 | Tyler | ty dpkg |
| 17:23.35 | enouf | and use them |
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| 17:23.44 | DrTADBMMBCHBMIF | k |
| 17:23.49 | DrTADBMMBCHBMIF | er ignore.. |
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| 17:24.24 | stoned | Tyler: see what the bot said about nodm |
| 17:24.34 | stoned | Tyler: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:24.35 | stoned | in irc. |
| 17:24.39 | Tyler | that is a sweet bot |
| 17:24.44 | Tyler | did it print all that from me asking about runlevels? |
| 17:24.47 | g00se | Tyler: i start X explicitly, but that's cos of dm i use |
| 17:24.47 | stoned | yes |
| 17:24.54 | stoned | !tell Tyler -about dpkgbot |
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| 17:25.18 | Tyler | cool |
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| 17:25.48 | dana_good | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.22 | enouf | !tell dana_good -about msg the bot |
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| 17:26.29 | mrfree | hi all |
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| 17:27.01 | wur | Hi i searching for a burning iso software |
| 17:27.11 | enouf | wodim |
| 17:27.12 | dana_good | enouf: it actually had that factoid automatically in |
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| 17:27.22 | mrfree | I'm using lenny but the vnc4server pkg in it crash (known bug in -21) so using pinning I installed -29 from unstable... the problem is that -29 doesn't install che .so xorg extension :( |
| 17:27.22 | enouf | k3b for kde gui style |
| 17:27.32 | wur | thanks |
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| 17:28.06 | mrfree | http://pastebin.com/d64603609 |
| 17:28.11 | enouf | wur: there are many - apt-cache search cd burn image iso |
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| 17:28.30 | enouf | wur: apt-get update prior |
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| 17:29.05 | MrBubble | hey guys,just a simple question,i'm using debian etch and have some basic problems with my alsa-sound. i have to load it every time by running alsaconf, and setting it up in modules.conf didn't work neither |
| 17:29.08 | miggyb | hello, i'm trying to set up a system with RAID1 and am having difficulties. I have a 200gb and a 203gb drive that i want to do the RAID on. is this possible? |
| 17:29.12 | poseidon | Whats the difference between /lib /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib? |
| 17:29.16 | wur | enouf the simplet |
| 17:29.20 | wur | simpler please |
| 17:30.06 | enouf | wur: ~$ apt-cache search cd burn gnome |
| 17:30.11 | MrBubble | how to set up snd-ice1712 properly in debian for bootup |
| 17:30.13 | Tyler | where is a good channel to ask about linux development? |
| 17:30.14 | enouf | simpler? |
| 17:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: depends what you want to ask about |
| 17:30.38 | cahoot | MrBubble: alsa-utils installed? |
| 17:30.47 | enouf | wur: ~$ apt-cache search cd burn kde <--do that too .. all depends what you want |
| 17:30.53 | MrBubble | yes,all installed |
| 17:31.04 | Tyler | i'm writing a program that reads from tcp sockets |
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| 17:31.12 | Tyler | and right now i have a while loop and just continue reading |
| 17:31.16 | Tyler | and it maxes out the processor |
| 17:31.19 | Tyler | reading as fast as it can |
| 17:31.25 | Tyler | which isn't terrible, i don't want to miss any data. |
| 17:31.26 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: you're looking for select |
| 17:31.39 | Tyler | select might be good |
| 17:31.52 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: any introductory book on unix programming should cover this in depth |
| 17:32.00 | Tyler | right, i've read abou tit in glibc |
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| 17:32.16 | Tyler | but iw as thinking about limiting the processing power through the operating system |
| 17:32.22 | enouf | miggyb: install mdadm, see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 17:32.30 | Tyler | so i can set/change a ceiling on how much processor it can have |
| 17:32.44 | enouf | miggyb: zless on the .gz files if needed or just gunzip them flat out |
| 17:33.02 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: you don't bother; programs use as much processor as they can get. If you wnat them to be scheduled lower, you use nice. |
| 17:33.11 | Tyler | okay |
| 17:33.19 | wols | MrBubble: load the needed modules explicitly in /etc/modules |
| 17:33.30 | Tyler | so i could just give it a lower nice value, and let it have as much free processor as there is |
| 17:33.34 | miggyb | thanks, enouf |
| 17:33.35 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: but in your case, your program is just inefficient, and is wasting processor cycles. |
| 17:33.36 | Tyler | so it wont bog down other programs |
| 17:33.45 | enouf | Tyler: or renice for already running processes |
| 17:33.56 | Tyler | okay |
| 17:34.06 | wols | Tyler: for your problem dondelelcaro is right: select is the way to go |
| 17:34.20 | Tyler | i was worried that would be slower, and i might miss data |
| 17:34.29 | enouf | Tyler: you can use taskset if you want to bind to one or many CPUs if you have multiple cores/cpus |
| 17:34.34 | Tyler | right now i am using fdopen and reading from a stream |
| 17:34.44 | wols | only if your cpu can't keep up anyways. how fast is the data coming in? |
| 17:35.06 | Tyler | it's variable, but up to 300-500k |
| 17:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: it won't be any slower than a while loop, and 500k/s is nothing. |
| 17:35.23 | Tyler | okay |
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| 17:35.28 | Tyler | what would be the upper limit here? |
| 17:35.28 | wols | that's nothing. a pentium 100 can max out a fast ethernet line |
| 17:35.41 | Tyler | okay, thanks |
| 17:36.01 | robboplus | hm what kind 85.4%wa may indicate? |
| 17:36.03 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: processor dependent, but easily >> 10G/s |
| 17:36.05 | robboplus | of issue* |
| 17:36.10 | Tyler | wow |
| 17:36.17 | wols | robboplus: I/O wait |
| 17:36.20 | Tyler | it's running on a 500mhz |
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| 17:36.43 | tiveron | hi there |
| 17:36.45 | robboplus | wols hrhm. |
| 17:36.46 | wols | MrBubble: don't message people |
| 17:37.04 | robboplus | wols it's all caused by mysqld as far as i found out.. when it's off, i/o is ok |
| 17:37.13 | eliteforce | !jabber |
| 17:37.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jabber is a GPLed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system that is server based and uses XML for communication. Check it out at http://jabber.org, #jabber., gabber, available via the apt-get sources.list line "deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main", simply amazing!, has a Debian chat at xmpp:debian@conference.jabber.org |
| 17:37.14 | robboplus | does it even make any sense? |
| 17:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: if you're using any normal socket, it won't matter; the kernel will tell the other side to slow down if the buffers fill up |
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| 17:37.44 | zxxxd | robboplus: where did you get 85.4%wa |
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| 17:37.49 | robboplus | zxxxd in top |
| 17:38.00 | robboplus | box is laggy as hell.. just unusable |
| 17:38.20 | Tyler | i'm using tcp sockets to communicate between two programs runinng on the same computer. is this a bad way to go about it? |
| 17:38.42 | eliteforce | that jabber link doesn't work, why is there just ejabberd in etch? |
| 17:38.43 | Tyler | it seems to be fine, tcp is low overhead? |
| 17:38.54 | robboplus | it has something to do with apache and mysql.. random probs like that, it will run all day just fine and out of the blue i/o goes tru the roof, wtf? :( |
| 17:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: that's one way; people often use unix sockets instead, but tcp sockets have the advantage of enabling you to run the programs on sepearate computers. |
| 17:39.13 | pozic | When I login both KDE and Gnome crash (.xsession-errors contains /etc/gdm/Xsession: grep command not found), but when I run Gnome is Safe mode, there is no such problem. grep is installed. |
| 17:39.22 | robboplus | load average: 73.76, 55.09, 31.28 |
| 17:39.37 | zxxxd | w00t |
| 17:39.38 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: well, there you go; you've got 73 processes which are trying to run at the same time |
| 17:39.56 | robboplus | all the mem sucked up too and it started swapping... |
| 17:40.19 | Tyler | dondelelcaro, okay, how do you declare unix sockets? what other differences are there? |
| 17:40.25 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: see what free says; you may need to put a cap on the maximum number of apache and mysql processes to avoid that |
| 17:40.26 | robboplus | Tasks: 256 total, 1 running, 255 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 17:40.38 | robboplus | i don't understand wtf is going on in there.. |
| 17:40.43 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: only one can run at a time |
| 17:40.47 | robboplus | and i don't know how to start debugging this |
| 17:40.49 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: but 73 would like to run |
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| 17:40.54 | eliteforce | robboplus: top |
| 17:40.58 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: see what apache and mysql are doing |
| 17:41.02 | zxxxd | robboplus: 85.4%wa is IO |
| 17:41.05 | robboplus | top hardly refreshes... it's lagging like 286 now |
| 17:41.07 | zxxxd | robboplus: waiting for IO |
| 17:41.14 | robboplus | but WHY is it waiting |
| 17:41.19 | eliteforce | robboplus: press d then 1 in top |
| 17:41.33 | robboplus | Cpu(s): 0.1%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 99.9%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 17:41.38 | zxxxd | robboplus: do iostat |
| 17:41.42 | eliteforce | Oo |
| 17:41.51 | robboplus | it's unresponsible |
| 17:41.54 | eliteforce | hdd seeks death xD |
| 17:42.00 | robboplus | even remote reboot won't help |
| 17:42.31 | robboplus | but if i'm lucky and disable mysqld right after boot it will be just FINE |
| 17:42.34 | hellop | jelly, well it only took 30 minutes to figure out how to filter my SSH session and broadcast udp. But now, iptraf is working great. |
| 17:42.41 | zxxxd | robboplus: maybe you are running linux on a floppy? |
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| 17:45.38 | eliteforce | omg why is it so hard to find a jabber server |
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| 17:48.09 | Graveworm | Hi all :)! Is there an easy way to show all acl's in a tabular way or something? I adminstrate a server and for the people I do that I need an "eyecandy" way to show them, what permissions I've set. Beside that I also don't want to always look and scroll a lot on the console ;)... |
| 17:48.47 | eliteforce | is everyone running ejabberd? but I don't want erl :/ |
| 17:50.46 | n3kl_ | Is there a tool to compare the files to two directories that will tell me which files are different? Like an md5check that will only list non identical files or something? |
| 17:51.28 | SparFux1 | diff3? |
| 17:51.40 | zxxxd | eliteforce: :) i run ejabberd too |
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| 17:51.49 | zxxxd | eliteforce: what you want C? |
| 17:52.22 | SparFux1 | but it compares three files line by line. |
| 17:52.36 | n3kl_ | SparFux1: will this work effectively on binary files? |
| 17:52.47 | SparFux1 | I think so. |
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| 17:53.14 | eliteforce | zxxxd: yes, I have tight memory constraints |
| 17:53.40 | stoned | man I got activeperl and irssi w/32 in xp but still can't launch perl scripts |
| 17:53.48 | n3kl_ | SparFux1: I will give that a try. Thanks |
| 17:54.00 | SparFux1 | no prob. |
| 17:54.04 | stoned | must open ports tonight at home (I haven't messed with my router iptables in umm.. years) |
| 17:54.10 | eliteforce | zxxxd: can you give me some numbers of memory usage ejabberd is using? |
| 17:54.36 | zxxxd | earthnat1ve: who said ejabberd eats alot of memory? |
| 17:55.38 | eliteforce | zxxxd: I don't know |
| 17:55.49 | n3kl_ | When a file is specified in a command as a '-', does that mean standard io? |
| 17:56.02 | pozic | Never mind. |
| 17:56.12 | hellop | well to answer my own question about how to remotely monitor a firewall with a nice GUI, this article shows how to send tcpdump output over SSH to EtherApe: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5031581.html |
| 17:56.19 | rahul | n3kl_: it might, depending on the app |
| 17:56.29 | n3kl_ | So doing a tar -cvzf - /bla | , is the same as doing tar -cvz /bla | |
| 17:56.56 | n3kl_ | So its not a standard then |
| 17:57.11 | zxxxd | eliteforce: here it's using around 38MB |
| 17:57.19 | eliteforce | zxxxd: anyway, even if I used ejabberd - it's ancient in etch |
| 17:57.26 | zxxxd | eliteforce: but it's total memory , let me see how much of it is shared with other processes |
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| 17:57.58 | eliteforce | zxxxd: its version 1.1, but the current version is 2.0.1 |
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| 17:59.41 | eliteforce | zxxxd: and 38mb for a jabber server? imo thats a lot |
| 17:59.59 | jelly | hellop: be sure to filter out ssh traffic when capturing with tcpdump :-) |
| 18:00.04 | n3kl_ | Why jabber over irc? |
| 18:00.27 | zxxxd | eliteforce: yes , i backported from sid |
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| 18:00.58 | robboplus | HRHM wtf is bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u -c ?? |
| 18:01.12 | eliteforce | n3kl_: not over, one doesn't replace the other. it's two different things |
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| 18:01.37 | ggi | if i did -L1028-65000 192.168.0.4:1028-65000 would ssh send each port to the target comp on the same port? |
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| 18:01.44 | ggi | (SSH question btw) |
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| 18:03.03 | epoxy|w3rk | ggi, not really an answer, but you could test by slimming down the port range and using tcp dump on the other end |
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| 18:03.28 | ggi | hmm, very true... |
| 18:03.32 | epoxy|w3rk | i would think they would be random,. but that i just an uneducated wild guess :) |
| 18:03.34 | wols | ggi: use a vpn |
| 18:03.50 | wols | and ssh doesn |
| 18:03.53 | eliteforce | ggi: or use dynamic port |
| 18:03.55 | wols | doesn't do portranges |
| 18:04.06 | ggi | ok, thank you |
| 18:04.12 | epoxy|w3rk | ding ding..we have a winner |
| 18:04.14 | ggi | i would really like to use an sftp |
| 18:04.26 | epoxy|w3rk | why cant you? |
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| 18:04.32 | ggi | but can't set up a server for it on server ftp |
| 18:04.40 | ggi | its a terastation |
| 18:04.50 | ggi | "easy to use" but crap to configure |
| 18:04.56 | ggi | only has webinterface |
| 18:05.04 | minerale | is there a command line utility in debian that allows for creating a torrent? I've seen the source for a tool called mktorrent but it's not included; apt-cache search torrent | egrep -i "create|make" | wc -l -> zero results |
| 18:05.08 | ggi | can't even change the listenig port for ftp |
| 18:05.41 | epoxy|w3rk | esay to use because you cant change anything? bah |
| 18:06.02 | ggi | haha |
| 18:06.20 | ggi | eliteforce: you said use dynamic, isn't that just for liek socks? |
| 18:06.22 | epoxy|w3rk | what exactly are you trying to do, if you dont mind me asking |
| 18:06.42 | ggi | have a crap firewall too and have 2 ftp server behind it |
| 18:06.44 | Decepticon | i see there is a wine 1.0 available for update via the deskbar update notifier in gnome... but i am getting this messages what does it mean? http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/185/screenshot1ot7.png and http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7426/screenshot2oe0.png |
| 18:06.53 | eliteforce | ggi: yes, just set the socks proxy in your ftp client and voila ;) |
| 18:06.58 | ggi | need to be able to connect to both, but can't change the port of either |
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| 18:07.05 | miggyb | us/img133/7426/screenshot2oe0.png |
| 18:07.09 | Decepticon | warning you are about to install software that cannot be authenticated |
| 18:07.14 | eliteforce | ggi: but be sure to choose passive ftp |
| 18:07.44 | ggi | eliteforce: that's what i thought... have clients that connect, not exactly used to setting uop socks on winblows explorer... |
| 18:08.17 | eliteforce | Decepticon: maybe you included unsafe/untrusted sources of deb packages in your sources.list |
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| 18:08.39 | Decepticon | eliteforce i have only included the one listed on winehq's site, dedicatedbudget or something |
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| 18:08.49 | ggi | so with these 2 ftp servers, i am trying to use my deb machine to tunnel the control port from 1050 to 21 and then all the data ones |
| 18:09.09 | eliteforce | ggi: a curse upon you if you use explorer for ftp! |
| 18:09.11 | ggi | either be a program that opens them as needed by snooping the control or by just having all open |
| 18:09.27 | ggi | i said my clients _do_ use explorer |
| 18:09.36 | ggi | not i prefer |
| 18:09.37 | ggi | it |
| 18:09.40 | Jygga | those ftp servers ... are win machines? |
| 18:09.47 | cusco | hello... im using two different network interfaces connected to two different networks. one of them is used as default (the last that I run dhclient on) |
| 18:09.49 | ggi | 1 is |
| 18:09.57 | ggi | the other is an embedded one |
| 18:10.08 | eliteforce | ggi: I think you're out of luck then |
| 18:10.23 | cusco | the non-default interface can then only ping ip's in the intranet, and not ip's past that intranet's gateway to the internet :( |
| 18:10.23 | ggi | eliteforce: a curse upon me.. |
| 18:10.24 | Jygga | you can use putty+sockscap on that winmachine |
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| 18:10.30 | Jygga | to tunnel stuff |
| 18:10.40 | ggi | sockscap? |
| 18:10.42 | eliteforce | Jygga: you mean, "his clients" :P |
| 18:11.01 | Jygga | no i mean "stuff" like "socks related stuff" |
| 18:11.02 | Jygga | ^^ |
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| 18:11.18 | Jygga | keepin feet warm and so on .... err b2t |
| 18:11.20 | ggi | ooo |
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| 18:11.34 | eliteforce | cusco: check your `route`s |
| 18:11.35 | ggi | Jygga: you may have just held the key.. |
| 18:11.44 | cusco | eliteforce: what should I look for? |
| 18:12.00 | n3kl_ | cusco: you are setting up a router? |
| 18:12.02 | Jygga | did i drop it? |
| 18:12.29 | cusco | n3kl_: no... I only want to be able to acess internet from both networks |
| 18:13.19 | n3kl_ | cusco: so you are going to route from one interface to another? As I understand it, you have an internet connection on one interface, and on the other interface you have machines connected that you would still like to have access for, correct? |
| 18:13.37 | ponyofde1th | hi, is there a hotkey like CTR-Z but that doesnt suspend the task just backgrounds it? |
| 18:13.46 | cusco | n3kl_: both interfaces connect to a network that connects to the internet |
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| 18:13.57 | cusco | if I use only one interface at a time, I can et internet normally |
| 18:14.06 | n3kl_ | cusco: two internetconnections |
| 18:14.13 | cusco | yes |
| 18:14.29 | n3kl_ | cusco: sounds like you need to set your default router when you change it |
| 18:14.43 | n3kl_ | not router, route |
| 18:14.51 | cusco | looks like I have a default route all the time |
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| 18:15.05 | cusco | I just wanted to be able to use "curl --interface eth1 some.address" |
| 18:15.17 | eliteforce | ponyofde1th: I dont know, but you simply can `bg <number>` it |
| 18:15.26 | cusco | and "curl --interface eth0 some.other.address" |
| 18:15.31 | ponyofde1th | eliteforce: yeah i know that just trying to save a step :) |
| 18:15.34 | n3kl_ | cusco: is some.address on the lan, or on the internet |
| 18:15.38 | cusco | internet |
| 18:15.56 | cusco | on the default one it works fine but the other hangs |
| 18:16.00 | ggi | if i can find someplace to dl sockscap... all are eith like 1.03 or 404s... |
| 18:16.10 | n3kl_ | cusco: are the addresses that you are routing to static? |
| 18:16.20 | dyek | Hi, can dpkg-buildpackage take a uncompressed source tarball? Or the source has to be in .tar.gz file? |
| 18:16.26 | cusco | at the moment they are dhcp, I can make them static tho |
| 18:16.44 | cusco | will it help? |
| 18:16.46 | eliteforce | ponyofde1th: well I don't hthink its possible to do it with one key-combo |
| 18:16.52 | n3kl_ | cusco: the remote addresses. Is some.address a static ip on the inernet? |
| 18:16.54 | stoned | ponyofde1th: you know you can start a process in the background with '&' |
| 18:17.10 | stoned | through the shell that it, for already running pid, see above |
| 18:17.14 | cusco | n3kl_: I can pick a static ip to test on |
| 18:17.27 | cusco | 64.233.187.99 for instance |
| 18:17.34 | ponyofde1th | eliteforce, stoned thanks |
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| 18:17.47 | stew | dyek: it expects to be in the directory of an unpacked tarball |
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| 18:18.23 | eliteforce | I still don't know which jabber server to choose.. cause there is nothing to choose from :( |
| 18:18.29 | n3kl_ | cusco: here is what it sounds like to me, you want to be able to, on a whim, change the interface on which your traffic leaves. If this is the case, there is no possible way to set two default routes on your network. I would write a script that would remove the default route, setup the default route to the other netowkr and another scrip to set it back again |
| 18:18.32 | stoned | eliteforce: you don't suppose any kind of a hotkeys daemon may be able to? |
| 18:18.38 | stoned | (I personally have no idea) |
| 18:18.51 | Bushmills | eliteforce: in that case - run your own |
| 18:18.55 | cloakable | has anyone got pm-utils to work on an ibm thnakpad x24? |
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| 18:19.17 | dyek | stew: Not sure what you were saying; could you clarify? |
| 18:19.20 | eliteforce | Bushmills: ahh that's what I'm trying to do, I'm talking about choosing a jabberD |
| 18:19.36 | cusco | n3kl_: what about curl's embeded option to use --interface ? why is it different if I try to access a local intranet ip or a outside internet ip? |
| 18:19.47 | stew | dyek: you must untar the source, apply any debian specific patches, cd to the directory containing the source before you run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:19.49 | n3kl_ | cusco: yeah that is somehting I know nothing about |
| 18:20.22 | n3kl_ | cusco: most likely when you curl out a specific interface, that interface does not have a route to the internet, so it hangs |
| 18:20.22 | Bushmills | eliteforce: ejabberd is nice |
| 18:20.32 | Bushmills | (i prefer it over jabberd) |
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| 18:20.33 | stoned | doesn't have to debianize the sourse first? |
| 18:20.40 | stoned | dh make |
| 18:20.44 | Jygga | ggi found a link? |
| 18:20.52 | ggi | ya i got one |
| 18:20.53 | n3kl_ | Bushmills: aren't there known vulnerabilities in ejabberd? |
| 18:20.54 | eliteforce | Bushmills: but it uses a lot of memory and the deb is ancient |
| 18:20.56 | ggi | thankfully |
| 18:21.11 | Jygga | 2.40 ? |
| 18:21.11 | ggi | i'm really hoping for this |
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| 18:21.21 | ggi | i've been trying for nearly 10 hours |
| 18:21.23 | ggi | ya |
| 18:21.34 | Jygga | kk hf |
| 18:21.37 | mohr | I'd like to run an IRC server for my company. Has anyone dealt with such a requirement? what software did you use? |
| 18:21.46 | stoned | dancer imo |
| 18:21.49 | dyek | stew: I see. Are .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, and .dsc files only used by pbuilder and not if I use dpkg-buildpackage to create the .deb package? |
| 18:21.53 | stoned | mohr: dancer ircd is good |
| 18:21.57 | miggyb | mdadm is giving me an error: "error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory" |
| 18:21.58 | mohr | ah, thanks |
| 18:21.59 | Bushmills | n3kl_: nothing recently. i think i did an upgrade about a year ago |
| 18:22.00 | ggi | Jygga: but the company pizza just got here, so ima go eat |
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| 18:22.01 | stoned | mohr: apt-cache search ircd |
| 18:22.01 | n3kl_ | cusco: you could test to make sure that you command is correct, by doing a curl --interface eth0 locallan.ip and then doing a curl --interface eth1 locallan.different.networ.ip and see if it works |
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| 18:22.08 | n3kl_ | Bushmills: ah |
| 18:22.11 | ggi | :D |
| 18:22.21 | n3kl_ | Bushmills: what do you use it for, just like friends and stuff to connect to? |
| 18:22.23 | Decepticon | what can i use besides tar to backup my files in my /home/decepticon dir without it whining about file changed as we saw it, because this is annoying |
| 18:22.42 | cusco | n3kl_: I tryed that, I used ping -I |
| 18:22.52 | n3kl_ | Decepticon: try "anywhere else" |
| 18:22.52 | cusco | pings local intranet IP's but not internet's |
| 18:22.53 | eliteforce | *tried |
| 18:23.16 | Decepticon | n3kl_ what? |
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| 18:23.29 | n3kl_ | cusco: right, thats what I am saying. Just cause you tell curl to use an interface, does not make that interface know how to find the internet |
| 18:23.30 | Bushmills | n3kl_: mainly, yes. also running a web interface, virtual hosts on the jabber server, and am about to intergrate it with the internet presence of a cultural/event center. |
| 18:23.33 | stew | dyek: you can use "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" to extract the source and apply the .diif.gz, which will create a foo-version directory, cd foo-version, and then run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" or debuild or pdebuild or some such |
| 18:24.07 | Bushmills | n3kl_: as online chat facility for visitors to the ctner |
| 18:24.13 | cusco | n3kl_: so I cannot have two routes at the same time, can I keep a constant connection on one of them routes and another one on other route? |
| 18:24.17 | n3kl_ | Bushmills: neat, like an html based chat sorta thing |
| 18:24.23 | Bushmills | xactly |
| 18:24.29 | n3kl_ | cool |
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| 18:24.50 | eliteforce | !jabberd |
| 18:25.17 | n3kl_ | cusco: sure, thats what I was saying. Create a script to change the default route between one network and the other |
| 18:25.50 | cusco | so when I change routes, the old route will be preserved for the previously open connection? |
| 18:25.56 | dyek | stew: Thanks! |
| 18:25.58 | cusco | for instance: will irc connection fall? |
| 18:26.10 | Bushmills | n3kl_: it is very helpful that many webmail providers offer jabber too, using the same address. that way, visitors are not limited to using the own server actually visiting the site pity that google chat/talk doesn't support chatrooms (conferences) |
| 18:26.11 | n3kl_ | cusco: it certainly should maintain the connection |
| 18:26.33 | cusco | so it will only be unable to create new connections... |
| 18:26.34 | cusco | ok |
| 18:26.40 | cusco | how do I change the route? :P |
| 18:26.44 | n3kl_ | cusco: it shoud only change for new connections. I would script it, cause if this is a machine under heavy use, then it will drop connections while you don't have a route, so you want it to be as fast as possible |
| 18:26.50 | Bushmills | especially the "do i need yet another account" is appeased that way :) |
| 18:26.55 | Bushmills | faction |
| 18:27.07 | n3kl_ | Bushmills: is this is not a personal project I take it? |
| 18:27.13 | n3kl_ | cusco: man route |
| 18:27.44 | Bushmills | n3kl_: matter of definition. i was more involved in that center a few years back than i am now. |
| 18:27.57 | n3kl_ | ah |
| 18:28.02 | n3kl_ | cool project, nonetheless |
| 18:28.10 | n3kl_ | I am sortof out of projects |
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| 18:28.26 | cusco | wait... so if the route changes the old connection will stop? |
| 18:28.44 | cusco | if I change route now, will this irc connection stop unless I route it back? |
| 18:30.04 | Tyler | i'm trying to use select() to read data when it's available on a connected socket. but when i try to read after select returns, i get an Illegal Seek error. |
| 18:30.09 | n3kl_ | cusco: you will want to test it a bunch, but no, the connections should not stop |
| 18:30.12 | Tyler | could someone help me figure out why? |
| 18:30.24 | Bushmills | cusco: probably. unless you give an extra route to the irc server |
| 18:30.27 | eliteforce | cusco: you can have a very high number of routes |
| 18:30.58 | cusco | eliteforce: care to explain? |
| 18:31.01 | n3kl_ | I would think that the connection that has already been established should stay up |
| 18:31.21 | n3kl_ | cusco: you can route add all day long if you like |
| 18:31.24 | eliteforce | cusco: executed `route -n` yet? |
| 18:31.33 | cusco | many times |
| 18:31.39 | cusco | I see both routes |
| 18:31.41 | nooro | read thiis somewhere once but now can't find it... how do I make 'ls' just do 'ls -lh' all the time? |
| 18:31.47 | zinx | Tyler: is the fd set in readfds? |
| 18:32.02 | nooro | the word "alias" comes to mind but maybe that's just my Jennifer Garner obsession |
| 18:32.03 | eliteforce | cusco: yes and you could add other routes |
| 18:32.05 | cahoot | nooro: make an alias |
| 18:32.08 | cusco | ok n3kl_ Im gpoing to read up in route man page for nwo... |
| 18:32.32 | Tyler | zinx: yes it is |
| 18:32.38 | nooro | cahoot: is "alias" a command I run? |
| 18:32.48 | Bushmills | eliteforce: ejabberd - has been running for months - consumes about 20 mb resident mem now - i think that's tolerable |
| 18:32.55 | n3kl_ | cusco: good idea. I think what you are trying to do is fairly straigt forward, some reading would do you no harm |
| 18:32.59 | eliteforce | cusco: I didn't really get what you want to do, but reading the route man page is the way to go ;) |
| 18:33.03 | zinx | Tyler: i'd have to see the code |
| 18:33.20 | n3kl_ | firefox has been running for about a day and has consumed 2G of memory |
| 18:33.21 | cusco | ok ... I'll be back tho :P |
| 18:33.22 | cusco | later |
| 18:33.24 | cusco | thanks |
| 18:33.26 | eliteforce | Bushmills: and do you use that version from etch/main ? |
| 18:33.39 | Bushmills | eliteforce: the lenny version, actually |
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| 18:34.04 | cahoot | nooro: like alias ls='ls -lh' |
| 18:34.12 | nooro | was getting "No manual entry for alias" but I found some instrs now |
| 18:34.18 | nooro | ah, like those, thanks |
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| 18:35.09 | eliteforce | Bushmills: did you rebuild them? |
| 18:35.18 | Bushmills | eliteforce: no. |
| 18:35.32 | Bushmills | no -dev installed on that server |
| 18:35.51 | eliteforce | Bushmills: but you've installed the erlang stuff from etch, right |
| 18:35.54 | nooro | cahoot: thanks, working but lost color features (like green executables) but no worries |
| 18:36.14 | Bushmills | eliteforce: there's no etch on that machine. |
| 18:36.32 | eliteforce | Bushmills: sigh! ;) |
| 18:36.59 | Bushmills | erlang-nox 1.12 |
| 18:37.04 | nooro | cahoot: I bet ls was already aliased by my sysadmin and I just boned that color coding |
| 18:37.46 | Bushmills | also, lenny ejabberd is 2.x, etch is 1.2 |
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| 18:37.56 | eliteforce | Bushmills: but on a production server you dont want to run anything else but stable, and you also dont wanna mix in stuff from lenny |
| 18:38.00 | Bushmills | 1.1 even |
| 18:38.06 | cahoot | nooro: plain alias would say what already is set |
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| 18:38.12 | Bushmills | eliteforce: so they say |
| 18:38.14 | linkmaster03 | If I install IceWM, can I run KDE programs on it? |
| 18:38.21 | Gnurdux | of course |
| 18:38.30 | linkmaster03 | thanks |
| 18:38.33 | Gnurdux | just as you can run them on gnome |
| 18:38.33 | ggi | Jygga: guess what? that sockscap would be great if i could have it go with ports, or the stack, or something other than just applications |
| 18:38.41 | Gnurdux | or run gnome programs on kde |
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| 18:38.52 | ggi | since its a completely diff comp's ftp client that i need to send thorugh |
| 18:39.07 | Bushmills | eliteforce: there are more than only one servers. and on that one there is lenny |
| 18:39.58 | nooro | ah we had "alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 18:39.58 | nooro | " already so now i can fix |
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| 18:40.15 | empiric | hey guys any one knows any web based file manager |
| 18:40.15 | ggi | does that make sense? |
| 18:40.16 | empiric | ? |
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| 18:40.36 | nooro | cahoot: all set, thank you! |
| 18:41.04 | eliteforce | Bushmills: but I am talking of my server, not any server ;) |
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| 18:41.51 | Gnurdux | whats the program that netinst uses |
| 18:41.59 | Gnurdux | to let you choose desktop/server/etc? |
| 18:42.01 | Bushmills | eliteforce: oh, then i misunderstood you saying "but on ... *you*want" when you actually meant "... *I* want" |
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| 18:43.05 | eliteforce | Bushmills: it was meant more like "in general" ;) |
| 18:43.21 | Gnurdux | someone? |
| 18:44.02 | Gnurdux | tasksel? |
| 18:44.02 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 18:44.02 | Bushmills | eliteforce: see, that;s the problem, because "but I am talking of my server" |
| 18:44.17 | Bushmills | eliteforce: but i suppose you're right in running etch on a production machine |
| 18:45.16 | cloakable | Why can't I use acpi-support on my laptop anymore? |
| 18:45.23 | Bushmills | though with a production machine, your probably also want a hot spare |
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| 18:45.45 | Bushmills | and a third one, to test new configs :) |
| 18:46.44 | Bushmills | and a fourth one, to still have one dns more than needed should one of the 4 fail ... |
| 18:46.51 | mm1 | I want to have dnsmasq and dhcp (client). For now, dhclient3 overwrites /etc/resolv.conf, leaving out dnsmasq. Is there any solution, or do I have to hack a shell script (& go through man pages)? |
| 18:47.09 | dondelelcaro | mm1: use resolvconf |
| 18:47.52 | Bushmills | mm1: yes. edit your dhcp client config |
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| 18:48.28 | JanZ | has anybody a debian tattoo? :-D |
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| 18:49.07 | ggi | lmao |
| 18:49.44 | prahal | hi what happened to openjdk in the new queue ? Is there an external repository ? (I am fetching the packages from ubuntu but it is not like the dependency chain was small and what about the updates ....) |
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| 18:51.15 | Eulex | prahal, icepick - java toolchain built from OpenJDK sources ? |
| 18:52.17 | eliteforce | is there a tool to allocate X mb of memory, for testing purposes? |
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| 18:53.12 | stew | JanZ: google will find you many examples |
| 18:53.27 | JanZ | yeah, I just checked that out |
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| 18:55.30 | mike-ekim | I have a system running in europe paris time, which isd a couple of hours ahead, if i change the timezone to america/newyork, would there be any conflicts on files or anything cause i knwo tis happened before to me, is there a way to avoid this |
| 18:55.40 | prahal | does it run eclipse ? the point is to test if an issue I have with xcb locking (not the one that was already fixed by sun ... another one triggered by latest testupdates of eclipse) ... I heard they don't have the issue on feodora (even with sun java ... though I would like to test with openjdk to see if it is not fixed there already ... afterwards I ll look after the patches they applied to xcb |
| 18:55.44 | mike-ekim | cause it will tell me that the files were modified in the future, cause going to america.//newyork would take me back in time |
| 18:56.25 | eliteforce | mike-ekim: interesting question, i hope times are stored in utc |
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| 18:56.44 | eliteforce | mike-ekim: in that case you would not be affected |
| 18:56.56 | miggyb | can someone link me to a lvcreate tutorial? |
| 18:57.08 | wols | lvm |
| 18:57.12 | wols | !lvm |
| 18:57.12 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, or <lvm removedisk> |
| 18:57.14 | prahal | though as I am more interested by the icedtea project patch than per java itself ... |
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| 18:58.45 | eliteforce | btw, why is there no openjdk package? why patch it to death and call it icedtea? |
| 18:58.46 | miggyb | wols: thanks |
| 18:59.23 | n3kl_ | What is a good cryptoloop program/method I can use to carey encrypted data on a flash drive? |
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| 19:01.38 | hramrach | n3kl_: you probably want aes for encryption but the actual software might vary according to your usage pattern |
| 19:01.59 | stew | eliteforce: openjdk was in NEW last week. its not any longer and i don't see it in the archive, so it looks like it got rejected |
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| 19:02.23 | hramrach | I donn't use one myself so I can only suggest you try out afew until you find one that works for you, just like anything else |
| 19:02.33 | helo | i installed nagios2, and somehow it is loading when i go to localhost/nagios2... but ican't find any refs to it in apache2.conf... |
| 19:02.41 | stew | eliteforce: which means that they will fix whatever cause the rejection and it will go back into NEW |
| 19:02.45 | helo | oh... conf.d |
| 19:03.26 | eliteforce | stew: sounds good |
| 19:03.43 | hramrach | n3kl_: btw with recent kernels there is already built-in cryptoloop sypport so you might be able to just write some mount script and get going |
| 19:03.57 | n3kl_ | hramrach: I want to be able to easily mount a file on a flash drive as a regular user |
| 19:04.14 | n3kl_ | hramrach: do you know how to create a cryptoloop file though? |
| 19:04.20 | n3kl_ | hramrach: or what I can use to do it? |
| 19:04.24 | hramrach | n3kl_: then use sudo and a mount script |
| 19:05.05 | wols | n3kl_: I'd use something that is crossplatform with a usb flash stick. like truecrypt (but you'd have to compile it yourself afaik) |
| 19:05.07 | hramrach | n3kl_: I think that you can use any file as a cryptoloop, only if it contains actual ecrypted data the contents makes sense |
| 19:06.06 | n3kl_ | wols: truecrypt huh? |
| 19:06.24 | wols | !truecrypt |
| 19:06.25 | dpkg | truecrypt is, like, a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 19:06.51 | hramrach | n3kl_: alternatively you could look for fuse a solution (or hack together one), should be source-compatible across Linux and *BSD if written cleanly |
| 19:07.11 | n3kl_ | Hmm |
| 19:07.11 | stew | eliteforce: i see this, http://lists.launchpad.net/openjdk/msg00000.html but i can't find anything earlier |
| 19:07.28 | n3kl_ | I have lucks on my / now, and its running very well actually |
| 19:07.49 | n3kl_ | er, luks |
| 19:07.58 | stew | unfortunately when openjdk does make it into the respositories, its still not going to be in debian, but in the non-free repositories, at least to start |
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| 19:08.20 | wols | stew: why not? |
| 19:08.27 | stew | wols: not all the source is available |
| 19:08.32 | stew | iirc |
| 19:08.36 | wols | doh. what about icedtea? |
| 19:08.42 | wols | isn't that GPL? |
| 19:08.45 | stew | some of it is |
| 19:08.52 | hramrach | n3kl_: if you want compatibility across systems you control it's easy, if you want general compatibility then you are in trouble |
| 19:09.14 | stew | i haven't looked in a while, there were also maybe licensing conflicts in at least one of them, like apache license mixed with gpl |
| 19:09.26 | n3kl_ | hramrach: I think I would use this only on systems that I control |
| 19:10.10 | stew | wols: but i'm sure that when i looked at the control files when openjdk was in new, it was being uploaded for non-free/devel |
| 19:10.23 | n3kl_ | hramrach: why fuse? I am looking at their site, and it all looks well and good, but it apears to be more of an api. I know ntfs-3g uses it. |
| 19:10.32 | hramrach | n3kl_: then if you use Linux only you should probably look at the Linux built-in solution and script+sudo |
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| 19:10.56 | n3kl_ | hramrach: do you know of a "built-in" solution? |
| 19:10.59 | hramrach | n3kl_: but if you write a fuse hack (or find one) you can use it on most free platforms |
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| 19:11.09 | n3kl_ | hmm |
| 19:11.12 | ggi | Jygga: I am sad to report that sockscap didn' twork, since i needed to control port and not apps... |
| 19:11.34 | wols | stew: can one see what parts are not under GPL and what license they have? |
| 19:11.43 | hramrach | n3kl_: well, htere are some encryption ontions when setting up a loop device |
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| 19:12.24 | eliteforce | stew: anyway, it's cool to here thats it's eventually making it's way into the repos |
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| 19:13.43 | Freeaqingme_ | I mounted a nfs mount, and I'm able to browse through the files on the server from the client. Whenever I try to edit/move a file however (using the client), I get the message that it's mounted ro, while my exports explicetely say to have it mounted rw. What could I be possibly missing? |
| 19:13.49 | grand_grunt | wols: Trying to see what is free and hat is not? use "vrms" |
| 19:14.01 | stew | wols: well you can by grabbing the upstream tarball and looking yourself. you could also look at the copyright file in ubuntu: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/o/openjdk-6/openjdk-6_6b10-1ubuntu2/openjdk-6-demo.copyright but i think this is the same copyright file that was uploaded to debian, and it was rejected (partially) becuase this copyright file was incomplete |
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| 19:14.18 | hramrach | n3kl_: there s even a mount option to pass them to losetup so you only need to set up mounting the file with the same options every time |
| 19:14.20 | n3kl_ | dpkg refers to encfs in truecrypt, but there is no encfs? |
| 19:14.21 | dpkg | n3kl_: what are you talking about? |
| 19:15.01 | wols | stew: just looked at the iced-tea.org wiki and they say it's GPL2+linking exception and don't state anything else |
| 19:15.02 | n3kl_ | hramrach: what option? |
| 19:15.13 | hramrach | encryption |
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| 19:16.37 | hramrach | mount -o loop,keybits=something,encryption=something or something like that |
| 19:17.03 | wols | stew: "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/o/openjdk-6/openjdk-6_6b10-1ubuntu2/openjdk-6-demo.copyright |
| 19:17.11 | zxxxd | anyone know what is garbage collector |
| 19:17.13 | wols | stew: this part "The downloaded sources include a script that inserts proprietary |
| 19:17.14 | hramrach | is on Lenny |
| 19:17.17 | wols | license headers into the source files it generates." |
| 19:17.19 | wols | ? |
| 19:17.51 | stew | i don't know that i feel like installing mercurial just to determine if they really are free of ASL 1.1 |
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| 19:17.54 | stew | :) |
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| 19:18.15 | hramrach | zxxxd: an automaton that looks at your memory from time to time and throws away the litter ;-) |
| 19:18.36 | keck0f | i'm using LANG=en_US.UTF-8. How can i switch to 24h-mode instead of 12h-AM/PM-Mode? |
| 19:19.13 | zxxxd | hramrach: why would there be litter in memory :) ? |
| 19:19.48 | zxxxd | "How often the garbage collector (gc) should pass over the inet peer storage memory |
| 19:19.48 | zxxxd | pool during low or absent memory pressure. Default is 120, measured in jiffies. |
| 19:19.49 | zxxxd | " |
| 19:20.03 | zxxxd | lol |
| 19:20.33 | hramrach | zxxxd: if you do not know what it is stfw or leave it alone ;-) |
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| 19:21.14 | zxxxd | hramrach: that's bad |
| 19:21.32 | hramrach | it usually works that way :) |
| 19:21.35 | wols | zxxxd: google it instead of asking OT questions here |
| 19:22.22 | cloakable | ponders going back to Etch |
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| 19:22.31 | Corty | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 19:22.38 | Corty | which package does include that file? |
| 19:22.58 | cusco | n3kl_: but why is it that I ust rebootet my machine, and I can curl "checkip.dyndns.org" --interface eth0 and eth1 and get both different IP's ? |
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| 19:23.27 | wols | !tell Corty about search |
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| 19:23.53 | cusco | I couldn't absorb any useful info from route's man page |
| 19:23.53 | cusco | :( |
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| 19:24.05 | stoned | fuck it |
| 19:24.07 | stoned | im going home |
| 19:25.34 | Corty | wols, thx. did that already, apt-cache search old_passwords.cnf returns nothing, so does packages.debian.org as i search for contents |
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| 19:27.22 | NetEcho | Does anyone here use AWN? |
| 19:27.34 | halflife08 | Corty: apt-cache search doesn't search package contents it searchs packages names and descriptions |
| 19:27.49 | Corty | ah, yes |
| 19:28.02 | Eulex | use apt-file |
| 19:28.22 | Corty | ok |
| 19:28.27 | NetEcho | anyone know how to get the AWN object dock to appear? |
| 19:28.45 | abrotman | AWN? |
| 19:28.55 | Corty | hm, same result with apt-file o_O |
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| 19:29.08 | NetEcho | Avant Window Navigator |
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| 19:30.08 | linkmaster03 | how can I shrink my windows partition to make room for debian? |
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| 19:30.55 | NetEcho | oops wrong chan |
| 19:31.15 | Corty | Eulex, I'm looking for that mysterious thing: http://pastebin.com/d7975ed21 |
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| 19:32.35 | halflife08 | linkmaster03: backup ur files and use parted |
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| 19:32.57 | adv | what's a good vpn client? |
| 19:33.03 | linkmaster03 | ok |
| 19:33.09 | halflife08 | Corty: what distribution are you using ? |
| 19:34.25 | Corty | halflife08, debian etch |
| 19:34.29 | halflife08 | Corty: you could just try something like this touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf and try running apt-get install -f |
| 19:34.53 | Corty | hm, yes. I'm just wondering which package creates /etc/mysql/* |
| 19:35.02 | Corty | and why it is not there |
| 19:35.05 | Corty | :D |
| 19:35.22 | eliteforce | Corty: maybe you can find it with dpkg -S or -L |
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| 19:36.02 | Corty | ok, thx, let me try |
| 19:36.05 | halflife08 | Corty: you can look the pre/post install scripts of mysql-server and see it is a file that is created on the fly rather during installation |
| 19:36.25 | halflife08 | s/see it/see if/ |
| 19:37.04 | Corty | ok |
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| 19:41.40 | martijn | hi, sorry a bit offtopic i guess... i have teamspeak server running on debian.. and somehow I cant grant auto-op as admin.. |
| 19:41.51 | mike-ekim | eliteforce: what does that mean |
| 19:41.54 | mike-ekim | if times are stored in utc |
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| 19:41.58 | mike-ekim | and how can I check? |
| 19:42.28 | muhoo | i've been googling around looking for a USB debian image, but haven't found one |
| 19:42.44 | muhoo | i've found lots of detailed instructions, some of which i've followed with no success |
| 19:42.58 | muhoo | at this point, i want to punt and grab a pre-made image i can fit on a usb key |
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| 19:46.39 | halflife08 | muhoo: i dunno about the instructions you read, i used a regular netboot installastion disk and installed debian lenny on a usb disk as if i was instaling it on a hard disk and it worked out of the box. |
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| 19:47.46 | xand | er, what determines what group newly created files will be owned by? |
| 19:48.07 | xand | files I create aren't being owned by the default group |
| 19:48.17 | halflife08 | muhoo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en if you haven't already read |
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| 19:48.53 | muhoo | ah, that's the problem |
| 19:49.00 | muhoo | i can't boot an install cd on this pc |
| 19:49.03 | muhoo | it just won't do it |
| 19:49.19 | xand | there is a usb one |
| 19:49.23 | elvedin | So I'm trying to install memcached (from source) and it keeps saying libevent is not installed, even though it's in /usr/lib |
| 19:49.30 | elvedin | Anyone run into this issue? |
| 19:49.30 | muhoo | xand: really? link or name of it? |
| 19:49.36 | muhoo | that would be great |
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| 19:49.40 | halflife08 | muhoo: are you running debian or another OS ? ify you are running debian you should be able to use debootstrap |
| 19:49.49 | muhoo | i'm running debian sid |
| 19:50.00 | muhoo | i did the debootstrap thing |
| 19:50.11 | muhoo | i got a full installation... that dies at initrd time |
| 19:50.32 | muhoo | "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:50.51 | muhoo | so my usb key has sid on it, even have grub working perfectly |
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| 19:51.35 | mot | question about lvm |
| 19:51.36 | muhoo | the kernel loads, initrd runs, and when running the scripts in /scripts, it does |
| 19:51.38 | muhoo | dies |
| 19:51.44 | mot | so let's say i create a volume group with two physical devices |
| 19:51.56 | mot | and i want to create one logical group with that volume group |
| 19:52.05 | muhoo | so, something is wacky |
| 19:52.13 | mot | what does the -l/-L flag in the lvcreate command do exactly? :O |
| 19:52.14 | muhoo | maybe the initrd isn't loading usb-storage or something |
| 19:52.41 | xand | muhoo: don't know, just remember someone pasting a link to it here a few weeks ago :| |
| 19:52.49 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.58 | halflife08 | xand: the user you create it the file as and the group set-id of the parent directory should determine the default group id of the file |
| 19:53.17 | muhoo | so it looks to me like the ramdisk isn't loading usb-storage |
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| 19:53.49 | n3kl_ | Is there a way to run a script when a device is plugged in? |
| 19:54.23 | muhoo | wait, that's wrong |
| 19:54.37 | muhoo | the USB drive is DEFINITELY recognized, and it shows up in the kernel messages, as /dev/sda1. |
| 19:54.42 | halflife08 | muhoo: hhmmn are you using the default kernel or are you using a custom kernel ? is there a initrd image that is being loaded |
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| 19:54.47 | muhoo | so, the correct drivers are loaded. something else is screwy |
| 19:55.06 | muhoo | yes, there is an initrd, it's the default kernel, probably from etch days |
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| 19:55.26 | muhoo | vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:55.37 | muhoo | initrd is initrd.img-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:55.40 | muhoo | box stock |
| 19:56.33 | wols | !usb storage |
| 19:56.34 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 19:56.41 | muhoo | it does |
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| 19:57.06 | muhoo | there's no problem with usb storage |
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| 19:57.38 | muhoo | the drive is mounted, and if i get a busybox shell from the initrd (by hacking root=/dev/ram0 in there), then i can definitely see it |
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| 19:58.44 | muhoo | hey, and from a busybox shell, i can actually mount it: mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /root works! |
| 19:58.59 | muhoo | but... for some reason the freaking /scripts/init-bottom/udev is dying |
| 19:59.15 | muhoo | maybe it's not mounting the drive before it does whatever it is supposed to be doing? |
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| 20:00.27 | muhoo | i definitely have something misconfigured. can't seem to figure out what though |
| 20:00.35 | mario_gomez | !user |
| 20:00.50 | mario_gomez | how can i make new user WITH password? |
| 20:01.11 | Maulkin | use adduser |
| 20:01.19 | mario_gomez | and password? |
| 20:01.25 | wols | it will ask you one |
| 20:01.33 | mario_gomez | Ah! Thank you! :D |
| 20:01.41 | mario_gomez | WIll try it immediatley |
| 20:01.47 | mario_gomez | For installing java :( |
| 20:02.08 | muhoo | something is wacky with the initrd |
| 20:02.15 | muhoo | that's gotta be it |
| 20:02.56 | stew | mario_gomez: what does this have to do with installing java? |
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| 20:05.35 | mario_gomez | Quick Guide If you are fairly confident and don't want to read the whole document the following summary should probably be enough to get java working on your system. Lines 1 and 3 are preformed as root line 2 as a standard user. apt-get install java-package fakeroot make-jpkg <java-binary-package-name>.bin dpkg -i <created-package-name>.deb |
| 20:05.50 | mario_gomez | I have to add a standart user. |
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| 20:09.00 | muhoo | SUCCESS!! |
| 20:09.18 | muhoo | stupid stupid problem: there was no /dev directory on the usb key |
| 20:09.57 | muhoo | i might have removed it, thinking it didn't belong there: "oh, udev will create the dir". |
| 20:10.08 | muhoo | no, wrong. udev will create the devices, IFF the /dev dir exists (and is empty) |
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| 20:10.24 | mike-ekim | how can I check if my time is set to UTC? cause i need to change timezones and it might affect my applications and files saying that they are in the future, cause I need to change the time backwards from Europe to America/newyork |
| 20:10.28 | mike-ekim | somoen please help! |
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| 20:10.56 | wols | !utc |
| 20:10.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 20:11.01 | muhoo | "hmm, it's not working" . "uh, is it plugged in?". "oh, yeah, uh, it wasn't. duh, thanks!" |
| 20:11.12 | muhoo | is stupid |
| 20:11.30 | Sjmr | ^^ |
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| 20:12.52 | muhoo | restore=n isn't working though |
| 20:12.58 | muhoo | how can i make it stop trying to restore? |
| 20:13.25 | Nyle | home sweet home |
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| 20:15.12 | justin | muhoo: you aren't the same person that was having trouble with resume before ? |
| 20:15.31 | pixelmonkey | I'm running debian stable (etch) and would like to use python2.5. I was able to install python2.5 and I can run the interpreter without a problem. However, I notice that vim7 and ipython are both still using python2.4 for their respective interpreters. How can I change this? |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: don't |
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| 20:16.05 | pixelmonkey | abrotman, very helpful, thanks! |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: your system believes that python2.4 is going to be used for those tools, changing it may have undefined effects |
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| 20:16.42 | g00se | Is it better to keep hwclock in UTC? |
| 20:17.10 | vinc456 | pixelmonkey: you can change the symlink to point from 2.4 to 2.5 but as abrotman mentioned there may be unintended side effects |
| 20:17.39 | pixelmonkey | vinc456, I've already changed the /usr/bin/python symlink, but that doesn't seem to affect vim or ipython |
| 20:18.13 | stew | pixelmonkey: you can't easily do what you want to do |
| 20:18.57 | vinc456 | hmmmmm, in that case i would investigate ipython or vim specifically. I have the same problem and am still running on 2.4 |
| 20:19.08 | pixelmonkey | stew, hmm. That's disappointing. Python 2.5 has been out for almost 2 years. |
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| 20:19.36 | pixelmonkey | indeed, I'd consider it more dangerous to code against python2.4 than 2.5 at this point. |
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| 20:20.39 | n3kl_ | is there are dd option to show me the progress |
| 20:20.41 | n3kl_ | ? |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | n3kl_: the man page tells you how to do that |
| 20:20.53 | n3kl_ | I sure don't see it in the manpage |
| 20:21.05 | n3kl_ | looking again... |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | pretty close to the bottom IIRC |
| 20:21.19 | stew | pixelmonkey: actually i lied |
| 20:21.26 | phogg | pixelmonkey: check the Etch release date. It's perfectly reasonable that python2.5 is not included |
| 20:21.46 | stew | pixelmonkey: try editing /usr/bin/ipython and change the shebang to point to /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 20:22.00 | muhoo | tires of the "X has been out for 2 years, why isn't it in Debian?" argument |
| 20:22.07 | abrotman | phogg: it is included .. just not the default |
| 20:22.19 | pixelmonkey | stew, ah, I see. That makes sense in IPython's case. |
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| 20:22.47 | pixelmonkey | stew, I suppose the problem with vim is probably less tractable since that involves vim compiling itself against the Python interpreter |
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| 20:23.07 | stew | pixelmonkey: i don't know much about vim, and know nothing about its python integration |
| 20:23.22 | pixelmonkey | stew, ok, thanks for the tip on IPython though! |
| 20:24.07 | pixelmonkey | phogg, yes, apologies. I didn't realize about Etch's release date. |
| 20:24.29 | stew | python2.5 was included |
| 20:24.43 | pixelmonkey | stew, yes, but it's very reasonable that it wasn't default. |
| 20:24.59 | stew | but it was not included in etch soon enough that all the pacakges depending on python could be prepared to transition from python2.4 -> python2.5 |
| 20:25.10 | stew | this transision only finished happening a month or two ago |
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| 20:25.54 | n3kl_ | abrotman: ah, thats a strange way of doing it, but hey |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | n3kl_: don't blame me |
| 20:26.09 | n3kl_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:26.32 | stew | n3kl_: you can also use pv |
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| 20:27.06 | muhoo | man, usb keys are fragile |
| 20:27.19 | muhoo | corrupted filesystem already |
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| 20:27.40 | n3kl_ | stew: interesting |
| 20:28.25 | n3kl_ | So, I am using luks on my root partition, and I like it, but I am thinking of encrypting usb disks, and I am going back between truecrypt and luks to do the job. Would someone care to share their experience with either? |
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| 20:29.06 | abrotman | truecrypt isn't in debian? :) |
| 20:29.35 | Lagbolt | there is a debian installer on freshmeat for it lol |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | LOLOL |
| 20:29.55 | justin | there is a windows program that can work with luks volumes too |
| 20:30.21 | n3kl_ | I have heard of that, but it did not look very mature |
| 20:30.31 | Lagbolt | i use the windows program for luks and i can access my linux made luks usb keys no prob |
| 20:30.40 | n3kl_ | also, the fact that the truecrypt fols write the software for both windows and linux is a plus |
| 20:30.55 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: neat |
| 20:31.07 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: what is the name of the one you are using, I saw a couple |
| 20:31.10 | n3kl_ | iirc |
| 20:31.58 | Lagbolt | n3kl_, i use FreeOTFE if i need to access in windows |
| 20:32.19 | Lagbolt | n3kl_, it has a "portable" mode so doesnt need to be installed |
| 20:32.47 | n3kl_ | luks seems very stable to me, and I am learningto work with the devices, so I would prefer to use that, but windows is a requirement |
| 20:32.53 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: portable, even cooler |
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| 20:33.40 | Lagbolt | n3kl_, yeah i put it on an 8mb partition on my usb drive. the only trouble is windows doesnt like flash keys with multi parts . . . as far as i can tell |
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| 20:34.08 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: so how are you dealing with it if you have two partitions? |
| 20:35.01 | Lagbolt | well hopefully i would have access to web if not on a machine i own and just download the freeotfe |
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| 20:36.11 | Lagbolt | :( i try to avoid windows and when i travel i take my laptop. my try ##crypt they might have some suggestions |
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| 20:37.02 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: cool, thanks for the tip! |
| 20:37.38 | Lagbolt | np |
| 20:37.51 | picilli | Hello, after removing "obsolete" packages as per dpkg's decision, I am left without diacritical symbols in console. Please someone tell what do I need to reinstall. Thank you. |
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| 20:40.50 | blameless | help with? |
| 20:41.02 | picilli | After removing "obsolete" packages as per dpkg's decision, I am left without diacritical symbols in console. Please someone tell what do I need to reinstall. Thank you. |
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| 20:43.13 | abrotman | picilli: look in your /var/log/dpkg.log and see what got removed |
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| 20:43.21 | picilli | ok |
| 20:44.03 | tchmnkyz | hey guys, is it possible to downgrade from AMD64 to I386??? ( i am having issues with 64bit and encoding vids |
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| 20:44.56 | abrotman | tchmnkyz: reinstall |
| 20:45.01 | blameless | tchmnkyz: you'd have to reinstall |
| 20:45.06 | abrotman | you could do a 32bit chroot |
| 20:45.08 | Lagbolt | tchmnkyz, encode in a chroot |
| 20:45.41 | tchmnkyz | got a link to some docs on this? |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | i think the ports page has a link |
| 20:46.32 | Lagbolt | tchmnkyz, what are you using to encode? just curious |
| 20:46.48 | tchmnkyz | mencoder/ffmpeg for doing flv files |
| 20:47.05 | tchmnkyz | going from wmv to flv |
| 20:47.29 | Lagbolt | what problems are you having with it? error? |
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| 20:47.59 | tchmnkyz | laggy playback |
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| 20:49.03 | Lagbolt | are you sure it is related to 64bit? have you tested it on 32bit debian? |
| 20:49.14 | tchmnkyz | not yet |
| 20:49.30 | tchmnkyz | i am moving this over from a centos / cpanel install |
| 20:50.30 | tchmnkyz | see i dont know if it is the convert or apache not able to feed the data fast enough |
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| 20:51.38 | wimpies | Hi all, does anybody know a package that graphically represents the deb package tree ? |
| 20:51.53 | Lagbolt | i see. i wouldnt think the problem is the 64bit os but if you think so try a chroot for sure |
| 20:52.36 | justin | wimpies: apt-cache dotty |
| 20:52.46 | tchmnkyz | any suggestions on what it could be then |
| 20:53.02 | hramrach | is there going to be a 64bit xen kernel? |
| 20:53.52 | stew | &info linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 stable |
| 20:54.07 | stew | oh i guess that bot is dead |
| 20:54.13 | stew | hramrach: there already is one |
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| 20:54.29 | stew | hramrach: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
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| 20:54.53 | tchmnkyz | Lagbolt can i give you a url and you tell me if the video is laggy? |
| 20:54.58 | Lagbolt | ok |
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| 20:56.55 | tchmnkyz | was that link i pmed you laggy? |
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| 20:59.42 | wimpies | justin : output looks like input for some other program ? Dotty ? |
| 20:59.47 | picilli | Can't believe, removed were libdb2, libgnutls11, and libtasn1-2, all dating from sarge or before. I also lost font in gtk1. |
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| 21:00.32 | janne-5011 | #flood |
| 21:01.03 | wimpies | justin : dotty seems rather limited in graph size :( |
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| 21:06.24 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: Hey, what filesystem did you use inside the luks volume? Just out of curiosity. |
| 21:07.42 | Lagbolt | n3kl_, i use various FS, but for windows i used ntfs or fat32. just because it made life easier. |
| 21:08.39 | hramrach | stew: that's quite old. |
| 21:08.40 | Lagbolt | n3kl_, i use windows so infrequently tho. i did it more just to see that i could do it. i dont regularly do anything with it. was just incase i ever needed it |
| 21:09.56 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: I think this is really going to be cool. I don't use windows too often either, but I still want ot be able to access this data from a windows machine, I think. I may not |
| 21:10.18 | stew | hramrach: actually it looks like a newer one was uploaded 3 days ago: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20080617T195219Z.html |
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| 21:11.35 | stew | hramrach: though i'm not sure it actually build the xen kernel. in any case, the one i pointed you two isn't that old, only about 3 weeks old |
| 21:11.51 | n3kl_ | Lagbolt: thanks man |
| 21:12.25 | hramrach | Still it's 2.6.18 |
| 21:12.39 | Maliuta | latest is 2.6.25.7 |
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| 21:14.03 | hramrach | there were quite a few changes in ide both upstream and in debian config lately, and iirc udev, and whatnot |
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| 21:15.30 | hramrach | the gap between 2.6.18 and 2.6.25 is quite large, it would likely break stuff to use something that old |
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| 21:16.19 | stew | hramrach: you can check if there is a newer one in etch and a half: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 21:16.22 | dfx | I just jumped on an old laptop and upgraded the kernel from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.18-6 and my pcmcia card is no longer recognized. There are mentions of pcmciautils being outdated in dmesg so I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. |
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| 21:16.28 | Nurulwai | Is there something that unzips zip files that isn't unzip? |
| 21:16.37 | stew | hramrach: i'm assuming that you are running debian stable |
| 21:17.05 | hramrach | lenny. If I was running etch 2.6.18 would be compatible |
| 21:17.08 | n3kl_ | is there a way to tell losetup to auto select the loopback device? |
| 21:17.39 | dfx | sorry .. not pcmciautils, just that the pcmcia interface will soon be removed from the kernel. |
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| 21:19.14 | Jemt | Greetz. I need some help using 'awk'. How do I get the last "field" from the output of "lspci --n | grep VGA" ? I need the ID (something like: [1002:4c59]) |
| 21:19.33 | hramrach | stew: why would I run debian stable if nothing works there? It's like you install testing on a new box for it to work and then when you retire it the distro becomes stable. |
| 21:19.55 | stew | hramrach: what doesn't work in stable? |
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| 21:20.44 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 21:21.03 | stew | Jemt: awk '/VGA/{print $(NF-1)}' |
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| 21:21.30 | fas3r | what's the difference between lvm1 and lvm2 ? lvm 2 is crypt |
| 21:21.37 | Jemt | stew: Ah, great. That was actually documented in the man page. Thank you |
| 21:22.04 | stew | hramrach: or what doesn't work when you run the 2.6.18 kernel in testing? |
| 21:22.18 | hramrach | stew: usually X11. When there is a problem people ask and can you try the newest driver? And the answer is then no, I'm on Debian stable. |
| 21:23.01 | stew | hramrach: what error do you get when trying to run X11? |
| 21:23.33 | Jemt | stew: Hm, what is /VGA/ ? |
| 21:23.56 | hramrach | I have solved my X problems. It's just that working with stable is hard when the hardware is not atl least a few years old. |
| 21:24.14 | hramrach | which is not the case for this box |
| 21:24.18 | stew | Jemt: lspci --n | grep VGA | awk '{print $(NF-1)' is the same as lspci --n | awk '/VGA/{print $(NF-1)}' |
| 21:24.38 | Jemt | stew: Oh, okay. Thanks again |
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| 21:25.31 | stew | hramrach: well i dont' know really how to answer your question: "why would I run debian stable if nothing works there?" since its not the case that nothing works there. can you tell me something that doesn't work in stable? |
| 21:25.46 | stew | hramrach: that is, if you actually want help |
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| 21:26.45 | wwwAndy | Hi at all. I'm trying to setup bugzilla via 'apt-get install bugzilla3' this works fine except that the script doesn't modify /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default nor I can find the files in /var/www/bugzilla. Any hints? |
| 21:26.59 | hramrach | well, I asked about xen kernel for amd64, and it looks like tha's only available in stable. My hardware is like an year old by design which means it's newer than stable. |
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| 21:27.34 | stew | hramrach: which hardware doens't work with this kernel? |
| 21:27.35 | hramrach | Still I got a spare partition so I might try stable when I feel aventurous. |
| 21:28.12 | stew | wwwAndy: "dpkg -L packagename" will probably tell you it isntalled something into /etc/apache2/conf.d/ |
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| 21:29.00 | stew | wwwAndy: check /usr/share/doc/$packagename for instructions on setting it up. |
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| 21:29.34 | hramrach | stew: I haven't tried this particular kernel. It's just I didn't get good experience with stable in the past so I start with installing testing now. |
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| 21:32.50 | hramrach | stew: Thanks for pointing out there's a xen kernel in stable, though. I do not use the repo so I would not know. |
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| 21:42.26 | fiendishfish | Hello, I have fuck loads of cron processes and sendmail processes open, I gues this means some idiot has got my password and is messing with stuff? |
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| 21:44.42 | tchmnkyz | maybe |
| 21:44.59 | tchmnkyz | or maybe you are trying to mailbomb your self and dont enven know it |
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| 21:46.39 | wwwAndy | stew: I had a closer look at 'dpkg -l bugzilla3' and saw, that the script creates a apache.conf but doesn't cp it to /etc/apache2 |
| 21:46.59 | wwwAndy | stew: but know it seems to work, tank you for that little hint |
| 21:47.00 | fiendishfish | Does crontab -e as root and non-root show ALL cronjobs on the pc? |
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| 21:50.33 | svenx | fiendishfish: no, see /etc/cron* |
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| 21:54.50 | feld | hey is there any tools out there these days to do an upgrade from i386 to amd64 pretty easily? (like, remotely heh) |
| 21:54.59 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:55.00 | wols | there is not |
| 21:55.03 | Nyle | in a sense |
| 21:55.19 | pickcoder | feld: are you asking for pain? |
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| 21:55.34 | feld | pickcoder: yes |
| 21:55.36 | feld | lol |
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| 21:55.47 | feld | i have an idea -- get a 64bit kernel on there and make a chroot |
| 21:56.01 | wols | feld: you can install amd64 with debootstrap but that's about it |
| 21:56.01 | feld | debootstrap 64bit in there perhaps |
| 21:56.15 | Nyle | thats the only way |
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| 21:56.32 | feld | ok i know a way to do it then. this ought to be fun hehe |
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| 21:56.34 | rahul | you can't run 64-bit code on a 32-bit kernel, I thought |
| 21:56.35 | Nyle | and still.. its going to be a pain in the fucking ass if you want to replace all your 32bit packages with amd64 |
| 21:56.41 | Nyle | rahul, you can't |
| 21:56.43 | feld | Nyle: no, fresh install |
| 21:56.46 | Nyle | rahul, but you can run 32bit on 64 |
| 21:56.47 | rahul | oh, I see |
| 21:56.47 | pickcoder | rahul: sure you can.. didn't get the memo? |
| 21:56.48 | rahul | right |
| 21:57.00 | Nyle | rahul, 32bit user land + 64 kernel |
| 21:57.05 | rahul | Nyle: yeah |
| 21:57.10 | feld | i'll need to do this for a production postres and apache server though... someone installed them with i386 (they're 8 core 8GB!) |
| 21:57.18 | Nyle | user land |
| 21:57.25 | rahul | land user |
| 21:57.25 | Nyle | sounds like a friggin theme park |
| 21:57.26 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:57.32 | rahul | it can be |
| 21:57.36 | feld | lol well yeah... someone did it and they didnt know what they were doing i guess |
| 21:57.38 | rahul | aptitude install bsdgames! |
| 21:57.43 | feld | i was wondering why their postgres performance sucked |
| 21:57.53 | feld | huge DB and i386.... lol |
| 21:57.58 | Nyle | how huge? |
| 21:57.59 | feld | facepalms |
| 21:58.06 | Nyle | feld, why do you required amd64? |
| 21:58.08 | pickcoder | feld: you are definately better off reinstalling if it's a production server |
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| 21:58.22 | feld | like 5GB ... afaik i386 can only allocate 2GB per process, right? |
| 21:58.27 | Nyle | feld, you can get upto 64gb of memory on 32bit cpus through PAE |
| 21:58.30 | wols | 3,5 |
| 21:58.30 | Nyle | feld, that is correct |
| 21:58.41 | feld | Nyle: yup! |
| 21:58.48 | wols | Nyle: like bankswithcing much? |
| 21:58.55 | feld | i'm doing this on two unused dev servers first |
| 21:59.03 | Nyle | just reinstall with amd64 bro |
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| 21:59.06 | Nyle | save time and hassle |
| 21:59.12 | feld | might move production to it temporarily while i do the same operation on them. LOL wheeee! |
| 21:59.12 | Nyle | especially time. |
| 21:59.21 | feld | I don't have access to the machines though |
| 21:59.26 | feld | they're like.... several hours away |
| 21:59.28 | Nyle | feld, eep |
| 21:59.35 | feld | otherwise I'd do it |
| 21:59.44 | feld | I can make this work though; I've done something like it before |
| 21:59.47 | Nyle | yeh ok then it makes sense to try debootstrap |
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| 22:00.26 | feld | change grub to root of the debootstrap chroot/, wipe the disk clean except your chroot, copy chroot /, reboot into /, remove chroot |
| 22:00.44 | feld | should be fun for the whole family! |
| 22:00.45 | Nyle | feld, I'd do that last since its a remote machine |
| 22:00.52 | wols | feld: does this remote server have a automatic rescue system? |
| 22:01.01 | svenx | and try it on a virtual machine first |
| 22:01.01 | feld | wols: not my server, and I don't think so heh |
| 22:01.15 | Nyle | I'd set it up exactly as I'd like first, and I'd leave the original OS there |
| 22:01.16 | wols | feld: then I wouldn't do it. seriously |
| 22:01.22 | wols | send them a imaged hdd or something |
| 22:02.00 | feld | wols: i'm doing consultant work for them and these two servers are unused that i'm trying it on first. if they get nuked not a big deal, someone else near the server could pop in a disc for me if necessary |
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| 22:02.28 | feld | fun fun though. |
| 22:02.37 | feld | i'm going home to plan this out now... :) |
| 22:02.41 | Nyle | feld, well in that case you can have someone pop in a amd64 live cd and enable ssh for you (if they know wtf they are doing) |
| 22:03.11 | feld | Nyle: that would be an inconvenience for *them* heh so I'll have to try this first. Oh well *sigh* :) |
| 22:03.36 | feld | I might be able to get a customized debian install image setup and boot into that syslinux style |
| 22:03.53 | Nyle | whatever you want |
| 22:04.10 | feld | anyway, thanks for the info. figured there wasnt a tool for that yet. |
| 22:04.13 | feld | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.16 | Nyle | make one. |
| 22:04.24 | feld | i should... perhaps sometime :) |
| 22:04.28 | Nyle | pacakge it, upload it, make debian better. |
| 22:04.34 | wols | !debtakeover |
| 22:04.34 | dpkg | somebody said debtakeover was Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 22:04.40 | Nyle | then my best guess is that it will never happen |
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| 22:04.46 | Nyle | you will never do it |
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| 22:08.25 | _Gast_355_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7969777/ |
| 22:08.50 | wols | !ops |
| 22:08.50 | dpkg | methinks ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 22:09.52 | pickcoder | why can't the bot kick-ban any user who pastes a URL as their first statement? |
| 22:10.09 | wols | or especially well known ones like pennregame |
| 22:10.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: because some people do : |
| 22:10.53 | abrotman | http://pastebin.com/234wqera/ |
| 22:10.59 | abrotman | can anyone help me with foo? |
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| 22:12.16 | pickcoder | abrotman: not as the first thing they say when they join |
| 22:12.21 | abrotman | some do |
| 22:12.31 | pickcoder | then boot 'em.. <g> |
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| 22:13.28 | pickcoder | or have it recognize the pastebins |
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| 22:17.43 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:17.44 | dpkg | i heard qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
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| 22:20.08 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 22:21.08 | rgr | Has anyone here managed to compile the latest NVidia driver (173) for debian lenny? I keep getting a "genksyms not executable" error during the build phase. |
| 22:22.12 | confrey | I've installed lenny, but I have a blank screen after closing kde session, for rebooting or halting; what can I do? |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | rgr: #nvidia |
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| 22:26.55 | fas3r | what's the difference between lvm1 and lvm2 ? lvm 2 is crypt ? |
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| 22:29.40 | jetscreamer | how dare you interrupt the silence! |
| 22:30.13 | dustybin | would a encrypted hard drive be handy for laptops? |
| 22:30.51 | raz0 | dustybin, define 'handy'. I use it. |
| 22:30.52 | dustybin | imagine the key was on your usb stick |
| 22:31.02 | dustybin | you could stick it in, then boot ok |
| 22:31.22 | dustybin | if your laptop got stolen, no one would be able to access anything |
| 22:31.46 | raz0 | We're aware of that. :o |
| 22:31.54 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 22:32.07 | raz0 | That's specifically why I use it. |
| 22:32.12 | rgr | abrotman: I want to ask debian users, not nvidia specialists thank you very much. |
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| 22:32.55 | abrotman | then install the debian packaged nvidia drivers |
| 22:32.58 | dustybin | raz0: is the key on a usb stick? |
| 22:33.06 | raz0 | No. |
| 22:33.17 | dustybin | where is the key? |
| 22:33.27 | raz0 | On the harddrive. |
| 22:33.50 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 22:33.51 | raz0 | It is of course encrypted with a password. |
| 22:33.53 | aleksanteri | uh.. isn't that the same as locking your door and leaving the keys inside? |
| 22:33.57 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 22:34.23 | dustybin | aleksanteri: i think so yes |
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| 22:34.39 | dustybin | raz0 security is sloppy |
| 22:35.11 | raz0 | I wouldn't call it sloppy. |
| 22:35.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:35.17 | Nyle | wow |
| 22:35.23 | Nyle | just watches |
| 22:35.35 | raz0 | You have to break the password to gain access. -,- |
| 22:35.41 | dustybin | raz0: lets hope a black hat doesnt pinch your laptop :P |
| 22:35.53 | raz0 | Pinch? |
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| 22:36.10 | |Ryan52 | oy |
| 22:36.32 | Nyle | oy |
| 22:36.47 | raz0 | Of course it would be better to have two-part security by requiring both something I know (password) and something I have (usb pen). |
| 22:36.58 | raz0 | But my data isn't THAT sensitive. |
| 22:38.44 | Nyle | Third Eye Function. See the faults of insecure security from within. |
| 22:38.47 | |Ryan52 | sorry...getting used to new WM. |
| 22:38.54 | raz0 | But the security is still as strong as the password, which will take a loooong time to brute-force. |
| 22:38.55 | Nyle | |Ryan52, which one |
| 22:39.01 | |Ryan52 | tritium! |
| 22:39.04 | Nyle | word |
| 22:39.09 | Nyle | I've never used it |
| 22:39.54 | |Ryan52 | It's great...except that it stole the key I use for screen :( |
| 22:40.12 | Nyle | it should be configurable |
| 22:40.21 | Nyle | if it isn't, then say fuck you to that WM |
| 22:40.30 | Nyle | get one that IS configurable |
| 22:40.32 | |Ryan52 | ya, it is. |
| 22:40.35 | Nyle | word |
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| 22:41.16 | raz0 | dustybin, So I would definitely not call it sloppy. Just because you can make it safer (which you can always do), doesn't mean something less secure is sloppy, surely! :) |
| 22:41.25 | dustybin | why doesnt ssh come with built in brute force protection? |
| 22:41.33 | raz0 | Or are you assuming it's easy to break? |
| 22:41.40 | dustybin | i use fail2ban |
| 22:41.43 | dustybin | but why? |
| 22:41.53 | raz0 | I wondered about that too. I use denyhosts |
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| 22:42.12 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 22:42.23 | dustybin | </social.engineering> |
| 22:43.24 | hardcampa | dustybin noone that wants security uses passwords with ssh anyway |
| 22:43.31 | hardcampa | they use keys |
| 22:44.04 | dustybin | aye true |
| 22:44.10 | pickcoder | noone that wants security has ssh accessible from the 'net to start with |
| 22:44.12 | pickcoder | they use a VPN |
| 22:44.19 | dustybin | aye |
| 22:44.38 | hardcampa | well I fail to see how ssh and keys would be of lower security than vpn |
| 22:44.46 | dustybin | if someone want optimum security they would no doubt choose a windows os |
| 22:44.56 | pickcoder | two layers of securty is not as good as one? |
| 22:44.57 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 22:45.02 | Nyle | windows is extremely secure |
| 22:45.08 | Nyle | its linux that sucks |
| 22:45.12 | Nyle | you know it. |
| 22:45.29 | dustybin | windows is so secure that even bill gates felt he didnt need to be in charge anymore |
| 22:45.46 | Nyle | man c'mon |
| 22:45.54 | Nyle | fine, whatever, I can't troll |
| 22:45.57 | Nyle | ya'll suck. :( |
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| 22:49.37 | Kumool | is there something like everest for debian? |
| 22:49.44 | path_ | sure |
| 22:49.53 | Guerin | a mountain? |
| 22:49.55 | pickcoder | can you climb it? |
| 22:50.12 | pickcoder | scary.. |
| 22:50.16 | Guerin | maybe if you stack the floppies high enough |
| 22:50.17 | wols | !what's my hardware |
| 22:50.17 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:50.32 | path_ | lshw-gtk Kumool |
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| 22:51.59 | pickcoder | floppies? 3M 1/2" tapes are more stable |
| 22:53.02 | pickcoder | heh.. this one says "lifetime warranty" |
| 22:53.08 | pickcoder | wonder if I can call and ask for a replacement |
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| 22:53.46 | pickcoder | eep.. you can actually still buy these |
| 22:53.53 | path_ | they greet you on your birthday pickcoder |
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| 22:56.36 | pickcoder | 3M DC6250 |
| 22:57.19 | Kumool | lol tapes? ppl still use em |
| 22:57.26 | pickcoder | 5.25" QIC? |
| 22:57.51 | pickcoder | I have DAT drives laying around, but the QIC drives were tossed over 10 years ago |
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| 22:58.59 | linkmaster03 | how do I erase 'screen' sessions? |
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| 22:59.25 | Kumool | yeah... dont u use em for caller ids or w/e (i dunno how they call em in english) |
| 23:00.59 | pickcoder | linkmaster03: erase? |
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| 23:02.12 | linkmaster03 | pickcoder: like remove all the sessions that appear when I type screen -ls |
| 23:03.13 | pickcoder | you can detach it (if needed) and then attach to it |
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| 23:03.45 | linkmaster03 | but when I detach again it's just going to go right back |
| 23:04.12 | pickcoder | don't detach.. log out |
| 23:04.25 | linkmaster03 | logout of screen? how do I do that |
| 23:04.38 | vinc456 | linkmaster03: ctrl-key \ |
| 23:04.58 | linkmaster03 | thanks |
| 23:04.59 | vinc456 | and screen -wipe enoughlettersandnumbers |
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| 23:05.29 | pickcoder | hopes nothing virtal is running under a screen |
| 23:05.35 | pickcoder | vital even |
| 23:06.23 | linkmaster03 | no no i was just playing around with it lol. |
| 23:06.26 | linkmaster03 | thanks cinv |
| 23:06.28 | linkmaster03 | vinc and pickcoder |
| 23:06.49 | vinc456 | no problem |
| 23:08.08 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:08.13 | Nyle | I thought you meant to say viral for a sec |
| 23:08.15 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:09.22 | vinc456 | pickcoder: do you mean like a root session or something? |
| 23:09.26 | vinc456 | what could go wrong? |
| 23:11.04 | pickcoder | nothing.. unless they're maintaining a DB, moving files, or some other pointless task |
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| 23:14.38 | Nyle | is there a quickbooks type inventory management solution that can connect to say postgre or mysql which is open source, and prefrebly featureful? |
| 23:14.38 | Nyle | or am I stuck with quickbooks? |
| 23:14.48 | Nyle | !ping |
| 23:14.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:14.54 | Nyle | Lag: 21.31 |
| 23:15.05 | Nyle | wtf */me kicks his 10Mbit cable |
| 23:15.11 | pickcoder | there are open source packages available, but maybe not in the repos |
| 23:15.22 | Nyle | pickcoder, no matter, know any names ? |
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| 23:16.09 | pickcoder | I know that there is a money app for KDE |
| 23:16.18 | pickcoder | not sure about inventory mgmt |
| 23:16.27 | Nyle | I'm trying to demo opensource for my managers |
| 23:16.30 | pickcoder | SQL-Ledger |
| 23:16.42 | Nyle | I'm actively trying to convicne/convert our company to open source |
| 23:16.53 | pickcoder | GnuCash |
| 23:16.54 | Nyle | so I've ordered 5 optiplex machiens, I installed etch on them today |
| 23:17.13 | Nyle | as kde desktops for nomral office users |
| 23:17.44 | Nyle | now I need an inventory management team to convince one of the owners to see how good oss can be |
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| 23:17.50 | Nyle | s/team/solution |
| 23:18.02 | pickcoder | you probably want sql-ledger |
| 23:18.19 | pickcoder | it's in the repos |
| 23:18.21 | Nyle | pickcoder, keep in mind I need a form of enterprise type networking |
| 23:18.30 | Nyle | we have multiple locations in many states |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | freshmeat.net |
| 23:18.46 | miggyb | i'm having problems setting up networking on a new debian install. during installation, it downloaded necessary files just fine, but when i boot up into the system, i get an error: "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 23:18.51 | pickcoder | you should consider a commercial application then |
| 23:18.58 | Nyle | pickcoder, well yeah, we have those :) |
| 23:18.59 | pickcoder | I'd be happy to write one in Pick for ya |
| 23:19.02 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:19.03 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 23:19.08 | Nyle | pickcoder, for free? |
| 23:19.11 | pickcoder | hell no |
| 23:19.16 | pickcoder | actually |
| 23:19.17 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:19.27 | pickcoder | I started an OSS project for a distribution system |
| 23:19.35 | pickcoder | it didn't get far though |
| 23:19.53 | pickcoder | I'm hoping to spend some time on it next year |
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| 23:20.04 | Nyle | we could use all the oss we can get |
| 23:20.08 | pickcoder | G/L, sales, bin inventory, product info, etc |
| 23:20.11 | Nyle | there is a lot, but still not enough or good enough I should say |
| 23:20.12 | derjens | hello everybody |
| 23:20.27 | derjens | i want to setup link aggregation aka bonding in debian |
| 23:20.32 | pickcoder | there is even a GPL3 version of QM |
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| 23:20.34 | miggyb | i'm using a static ip configuration |
| 23:20.40 | derjens | unfortunately my device bond0 is not set up |
| 23:20.40 | miggyb | i can ping localhost |
| 23:20.41 | miggyb | but nothing else |
| 23:20.56 | derjens | somebody here who is familiar with ethernet bonding? |
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| 23:21.20 | miggyb | nor can i ping it from this computer |
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| 23:21.25 | Nyle | also, where can I ask about the most optimal way to run IE7 in debian? |
| 23:21.28 | miggyb | same subnet, router, etc |
| 23:21.31 | Nyle | here or elsewhere? |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | miggyb: /sbin/ifconfig -a .. is it setup correctly |
| 23:21.50 | abrotman | Nyle: you probably want #winehq .. or google |
| 23:21.58 | arubin | any recommendations for a good Debian guide for someone that has quite a bit of FreeBSD experience? |
| 23:21.59 | Nyle | I have tried google |
| 23:22.01 | Nyle | ok |
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| 23:22.09 | abrotman | arubin: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 23:22.22 | abrotman | arubin: /msg dpkg grounding .. has more stuff |
| 23:22.46 | pickcoder | wonders when the dpkg cheatsheet coffee mugs will be available |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | Nyle: it's not really a Debian question .. it's a wine thing .. i can't imagine google doesn't have any hits for "IE7 wine" |
| 23:23.09 | pickcoder | IE7 whine |
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| 23:23.26 | miggyb | abrotman: it looks to be set up fine. |
| 23:23.49 | abrotman | miggyb: is the cable plugged in? :) |
| 23:23.52 | Nyle | ahh well particularly my question is about an actice X control which still fails to work under debian |
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| 23:24.00 | miggyb | abrotman: except, it's eth1 instead of eth0. there's no eth0 anywhere |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | miggyb: that's kind of important |
| 23:24.17 | Nyle | I dunno where to start troubleshooting it |
| 23:24.21 | miggyb | abrotman: haha. yes, it is. like i said, it downloaded the files during installation just fine. |
| 23:24.22 | Nyle | I guess I'll head over to winehq |
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| 23:25.02 | mhall | What is the equivalent of the cut utility that handles lines to be printed or removed instead of characters to be printed or removed? |
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| 23:25.50 | abrotman | mhall: grep ? |
| 23:26.16 | pickcoder | grr.. this file copy is taking _forever_ |
| 23:26.17 | Nyle | hey mhall |
| 23:26.18 | Cyan20 | guys anyone knows where i could dl a fuseiso deb package? :s |
| 23:26.31 | Nyle | mhall, LONG time no see |
| 23:26.40 | pickcoder | what kind of throughput should I expect with a USB 2.0 drive |
| 23:26.51 | Nyle | 40ish MB/s |
| 23:26.52 | pickcoder | it's running at "high-speed" |
| 23:27.03 | Nyle | full 12 , high suposed to be 480 |
| 23:27.05 | pickcoder | then this 2.5" drive is slow as molasses |
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| 23:27.34 | Nyle | you get realistically about 40ish if its flash, if its ide to usb, you get about the same, take 15-10 |
| 23:27.36 | miggyb | abrotman: it's telling me eth0 doesn't exist when i try to bring it up. "No such device". wtf? |
| 23:27.37 | Nyle | ime anyway |
| 23:27.38 | pickcoder | I mounted with noatime and sync so I guess the sync is really slowing it down |
| 23:27.56 | Nyle | pickcoder, and its pretty thick mollasses |
| 23:28.10 | Nyle | pickcoder, you mean slow as junebugs in molasses, pretty thick molasses. |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | miggyb: in ifconfig -a .. do you have an eth0 ? |
| 23:28.32 | miggyb | abrotman: no, i don't. there's only an eth1 |
| 23:28.43 | Nyle | Cyan20, fuse iso? |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | miggyb: so setup your interfaces file for eth1 |
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| 23:29.03 | Nyle | Cyan20, what are you wanting to do? |
| 23:29.15 | Cyan20 | install acetoneiso2 <.< |
| 23:29.19 | Cyan20 | and it needs fuseiso |
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| 23:29.29 | abrotman | Cyan20: which version of Debian is this? |
| 23:29.45 | Nyle | hmm its in sid I checked |
| 23:29.52 | Nyle | !info fuseiso etch |
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| 23:30.07 | Nyle | dpkg, hi |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 23:30.14 | pickcoder | !info fuse-utils |
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| 23:30.33 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
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| 23:30.48 | abrotman | thinks cafuego is debhelper |
| 23:30.53 | pickcoder | dpkg is hitting the booze again |
| 23:31.05 | Cyan20 | :P |
| 23:31.11 | Nyle | pickcoder, yeh.. boozin' up on grampas ol' cough medicine ;) |
| 23:31.27 | dpkg | privet |
| 23:31.32 | dpkg | pickcoder: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:31.33 | Nyle | here it goes |
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| 23:31.44 | pickcoder | stands back as dpkg floods |
| 23:31.48 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.7.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 23:32.04 | Nyle | 07:31 [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Package 'fuseiso' does not exist. |
| 23:32.13 | Nyle | Cyan20, so there yo have it |
| 23:32.18 | abrotman | Cyan20: what's the error you're getting ? |
| 23:32.52 | Cyan20 | when i am trying to install the fuseiso packages found in the debian repos i am getting an error about the libc6...b |
| 23:33.21 | Cyan20 | ut i got libc6 installed...maybe that has to do with the fact that i got the stable version installed and that fuseiso |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:33.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | show us |
| 23:33.23 | Cyan20 | is for sid? |
| 23:34.07 | extor | Whenever I start a KDE app in gnome, it takes a full 5 minutes to launch, any idea why this would be? Using debian-testing(lenny) |
| 23:34.22 | jahshua | hello |
| 23:34.32 | pickcoder | !info fuseiso testing |
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| 23:34.50 | abrotman | extor: it has to load a lot of stuff ? |
| 23:34.53 | dpkg | fuseiso: (FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images), section admin, is optional. Version: 20070708-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 23:35.02 | extor | abrotman, uhmmm no |
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| 23:35.06 | jahshua | i am editing /etc/resolv.conf but network manager is changing it on reboot .. how can i stop it from doing that? |
| 23:35.07 | pickcoder | Cyan20: are you installing from backports? |
| 23:35.10 | extor | it didnt used to be like this in etch |
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| 23:35.16 | jahshua | do i need to edit dhclient.conf? |
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| 23:35.26 | abrotman | jahshua: that's one way .. chattr is another ... |
| 23:35.38 | jahshua | chattr? |
| 23:35.45 | Cyan20 | nop i don't think so ;o |
| 23:35.47 | jahshua | hmm not familiar with that command |
| 23:35.59 | jahshua | man chattr :) |
| 23:36.05 | pickcoder | Cyan20: that package is not available in stable |
| 23:36.36 | abrotman | jahshua: immutable |
| 23:36.39 | pickcoder | I doubt that the package depending on it came from stable |
| 23:36.48 | Cyan20 | i know...but u know i found it somewhere over the next the last time before i ran a format at my pc |
| 23:36.53 | Cyan20 | now i can't find it at all :s |
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| 23:37.47 | pickcoder | Cyan20: if libc6 is being complained about then you have more problems than fuseiso |
| 23:37.58 | rgr | How do I give root (the user which invokes rsnapshot via cron) read access to protected directories served up from a remote machine using nfs? |
| 23:38.02 | pickcoder | look at backports |
| 23:38.05 | pickcoder | !bpo |
| 23:38.05 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:38.44 | Cyan20 | pick libc6 complains only when i am trying to install packages other, than the ones in the stable section |
| 23:39.04 | pickcoder | gee I wonder why |
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| 23:39.25 | pickcoder | what other "section" are you installing from? |
| 23:39.53 | Cyan20 | i told ya already i tried sid...and then i got that "error" thingy with the libc6 |
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| 23:39.57 | Cyan20 | <.< |
| 23:40.04 | pickcoder | you can't directly install across versions |
| 23:40.13 | pickcoder | get it from backports or make your own backport |
| 23:40.25 | Cyan20 | how should i know? i am a nab at linux you know... |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | Cyan20: paste the freaking error .. stop being so vague |
| 23:41.03 | Cyan20 | "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable libc6" |
| 23:41.05 | Cyan20 | oki? :o |
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| 23:41.40 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 23:41.56 | pickcoder | fuseiso is not available as an Etch backport |
| 23:42.15 | abrotman | Cyan20: no .. not okay |
| 23:42.17 | Nazcafan | I have a lot of libraries in my testing box that won't be uninstalled via apt-get autoremove, although they are not in debian anymore |
| 23:42.19 | pickcoder | so you can either upgrade to testing or build fuseiso from source |
| 23:42.49 | miggyb | okay, fixed the problem. thanks, abrotman |
| 23:42.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:43.02 | Cyan20 | oki thx for yr time ppl |
| 23:43.04 | Nazcafan | like: libnautilus-burn2 |
| 23:43.29 | Nazcafan | how do I get rid of them, except manually |
| 23:43.29 | pickcoder | there used to be a simple-sid-backport factoid |
| 23:43.30 | Nazcafan | ? |
| 23:43.38 | pickcoder | don't remember the keyword though |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 23:43.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 23:43.46 | pickcoder | meh |
| 23:43.48 | pickcoder | figures |
| 23:43.55 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: remove or upgrade the packages which depend on them |
| 23:44.05 | Nazcafan | mhh |
| 23:44.10 | Nazcafan | sometimes, there are not |
| 23:44.17 | pickcoder | Cyan20: ^^ follow that and you can build a backport of the package from sid |
| 23:44.28 | Cyan20 | oki thx a lot :) |
| 23:44.34 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: that's not an etch problem. what are you running? |
| 23:44.43 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: testing |
| 23:44.47 | Nazcafan | for years |
| 23:45.41 | Bushmills | remove them explicitely, then you'll find out what depends on them |
| 23:45.44 | pickcoder | so.. abrotman. I noticed your name in the ops list. |
| 23:46.30 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: so I have to try every lib on my system, manually ? |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | pickcoder: did someone call ops? |
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| 23:46.37 | pickcoder | nope |
| 23:46.44 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 23:46.46 | pickcoder | it wasn't there before |
| 23:46.49 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | no it wasn't |
| 23:46.54 | pickcoder | I've been away |
| 23:47.04 | pickcoder | kids and all |
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| 23:47.07 | abrotman | you have twins :) |
| 23:47.22 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: why not only the libs you want to get rid off? |
| 23:47.32 | pickcoder | they're even more a handful now.. |
| 23:47.44 | pickcoder | one is already crusing furniture |
| 23:47.51 | pickcoder | ~cruising |
| 23:47.55 | Nyle | haha |
| 23:47.57 | Nyle | cute |
| 23:48.11 | pickcoder | it's cute until she gets tired and ends up smacking the floor |
| 23:48.18 | Nyle | haha |
| 23:48.23 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 23:48.30 | Nyle | babies are cool until they cry |
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| 23:49.13 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: I just want to make some space, I had for example, many versions of libgcj and only libgcj9 is usefull now, the other ones are not part of debian anymore |
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| 23:49.51 | pickcoder | crap it's almost 8pm |
| 23:49.54 | pickcoder | one more file to go |
| 23:50.25 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: then remove them. |
| 23:50.31 | pickcoder | bets "mom" is starting to go insane at this point |
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| 23:50.45 | Bushmills | if something depends on them, you'll see then |
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| 23:50.55 | pipeline | Nazcafan: you mean some version of libgcj is useful? |
| 23:51.04 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: I am scanning manually every library on my system, it takes a long time |
| 23:51.10 | NinjaMan | should 127.0.0.1 be aliased to my fqdn in /etc/hosts? |
| 23:51.16 | Nazcafan | pipeline: I just removed those which are not in debian anymore |
| 23:51.19 | Nyle | damn |
| 23:51.24 | Nyle | it IS 8pm damn |
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| 23:51.44 | derjens | i need help with ethernet bonding |
| 23:51.44 | pickcoder | Nazcafan: I don't normally. I make it "localhost". Are there any other interfaces? |
| 23:51.47 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: do you know about deborphan? |
| 23:51.48 | Nyle | I should go play guitar before its 10pm well 11 tonight cuz its friday until the landlord bitches about noise |
| 23:51.53 | Nyle | buh bye |
| 23:51.54 | derjens | won't somebody help me? |
| 23:51.55 | pickcoder | meh |
| 23:52.05 | pickcoder | s/Nazcafan/NinjaMan |
| 23:52.13 | Nazcafan | is deborphan different from autoremove ? |
| 23:52.22 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: yes |
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| 23:52.31 | pickcoder | derjens: if someone could they would.. are you asking about load balancing? QOS? |
| 23:53.06 | derjens | pickcoder, half load balancing, half redundancy |
| 23:53.06 | NinjaMan | pickcoder: I have 3 interfaces on this machine (excluding lo) |
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| 23:53.39 | derjens | i just have two NICs connected to a switch and both lines should be used simultaneously or as backup if one fails |
| 23:53.41 | pickcoder | NinjaMan: then I, personally, would leave 127.0.0.1 as localhost |
| 23:53.47 | Nazcafan | Bushmills: great tool, thanks |
| 23:54.04 | pickcoder | derjens: there can only be one default route |
| 23:54.11 | jahshua | abrotman: i edited dhclient.conf and now i have two entries in /etc/resolv.conf .. is this okay? |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | you can have as many as you want dns servers AFAIK |
| 23:54.39 | pickcoder | but you can get around that with iproute2 if you want to route based on source or destination |
| 23:54.45 | NinjaMan | pickcoder: ok thx for the advice - I was concerned because my domain name does not show up in the gnome network admin tool but does with 'hostname -d' |
| 23:54.47 | derjens | pickcoder, this is not done using routes. there is a kernel driver which reflects a virtual nic and sends packages over both lines |
| 23:55.11 | Devil_Angel | hey, guys. I was wondering... i've been having a problem with my stereo line in. i'm not sure if it's a driver issue or what... my external speakers work just fine in Ubuntu, however in debian the line in either isn't recognized or i'm just not looking at this the right way and haven't gone about getting the right drivers. |
| 23:55.26 | jahshua | abrotman: how does it pick which one to use though? |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | jahshua: IIRC round robin |
| 23:55.36 | jahshua | or does it try all ? |
| 23:55.40 | jahshua | hmm round robin? |
| 23:55.58 | Devil_Angel | the funny thing is, no matter if the speakers are plugged in, the laptop internal speakers continue to play. |
| 23:56.00 | jahshua | googles |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | jahshua: man resolv.conf .. says 3 is the max |
| 23:56.19 | pickcoder | derjens: I've used the bridge-utils before |
| 23:56.44 | pickcoder | it basically turns the multiple nics in a hub |
| 23:56.50 | pickcoder | s/in/into |
| 23:56.51 | derjens | pickcoder, forget about all of that -- i have just got it working with some other howto from the net |
| 23:56.57 | jahshua | abrotman: okay, thank you. |
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| 23:57.08 | derjens | there was just a little difference to all the others but now it is working:) yeah |
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| 23:57.49 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | Devil_Angel: you may need a newer alsa |
