| 00:00.18 | Devil_Angel | abrotman: i tried updating alsa, and the repo said it was the newest one. is there a way perhaps to roll it back? |
| 00:00.28 | abrotman | why would you roll it back? |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | Devil_Angel: cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 00:01.42 | Devil_Angel | abrotman: i'm not in debian at the moment. just checking to see if there was an easy fix that i may have been overlooking |
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| 00:02.09 | abrotman | Devil_Angel: if you're running etch .. you have two versions of alsa you can try |
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| 00:04.31 | Devil_Angel | abrotman: hmm... i'll see what i can find on it. i appreciate the help. gotta go make dinner |
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| 00:08.10 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 00:08.10 | vadmeste | I am running a Debian Etch |
| 00:09.18 | vadmeste | and I am trying to get my emails through proxy |
| 00:09.18 | vadmeste | using evolution |
| 00:09.18 | vadmeste | but it doesn't seem work |
| 00:09.18 | vadmeste | Evolution don't even connect with the proxy |
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| 00:10.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grins* |
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| 00:10.53 | Cyan20 | cheers for the help ppl i am done now thx a lot :) |
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| 00:12.15 | vadmeste | too stupid question ? |
| 00:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | vadmeste, the bot kicked you for flooding |
| 00:13.07 | WormFood | you pasted your lines too fast, or there was too much lag and all your lines came through at the same time, so the bot thought you were flooding the channel and kicked you. |
| 00:13.33 | WormFood | evolution sucks! it is what I use, and I'm still looking for something better |
| 00:13.36 | vadmeste | Just a bad connection |
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| 00:14.07 | WormFood | I suggest you try fetchmail to troubleshoot your connection, then use what you learn with evolution. |
| 00:14.25 | WormFood | evolution does not give decent error messages, when it even gives error messages |
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| 00:14.57 | Tully | hello I have a problem installing mysql5 under debian 4.0 etch |
| 00:15.20 | Tully | I'm getting a merge error after the command "apt-get install mysql" |
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| 00:17.53 | abrotman | use a pastebin for the error |
| 00:17.59 | Tully | ~bin |
| 00:18.00 | apt | it has been said that bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 00:18.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:18.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:18.57 | Tully | http://paste.debian.net/7023/ |
| 00:20.42 | vadmeste | even Thunderbird 1.5 doesn't work with proxies |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | i thought you said you were on etch ? |
| 00:21.05 | abrotman | Tully: that's not etch |
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| 00:21.34 | Tully | oh I know my host os is etch i just installed this guest today |
| 00:21.45 | Tully | thought i had etch on the dvd |
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| 00:22.16 | abrotman | it says you're using unstable packages |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | !tell Tully about mmap |
| 00:22.41 | vadmeste | !tell vadmeste about mmap |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | !tell vadmeste about selftell |
| 00:23.13 | vadmeste | abrotman : :)) |
| 00:23.21 | dihymo | mkay... why don't I have desktop iconses on my kde4? |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | dihymo: how did you install kde4? |
| 00:23.53 | dihymo | apt-get |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | uhm .. from where? |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | dihymo: ? |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde .. kde4 is not supported here |
| 00:25.11 | dihymo | experimental |
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| 00:25.45 | Tully | I added the apt.conf file with the line dpkg said to add. I also took off 2 of the sources in my sources.list and reran the apt-get isntall msyql command and now I don't get the error but mysql is not found. |
| 00:25.59 | Tully | What is a good source to use? |
| 00:26.14 | jahshua | hello, would this document still be in date/relevant http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 00:26.17 | jahshua | ? |
| 00:26.28 | Wyzard | Tully: any Debian mirror... they're all equivalent |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | Tully: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | is pdo .. not functional ? |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | jahshua: looks reasonable |
| 00:28.07 | jahshua | abrotman: is this the method that people use to get their own 'cool' hostnames on irc? |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | cool hostnames? |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | has a boring "hostname" |
| 00:28.29 | jahshua | ie joshua@sun.down |
| 00:28.34 | karsten | What's the new chanserv bot? alist? |
| 00:28.36 | Wyzard | Tully: btw, "apt-get install mysql" couldn't possibly have worked because there's no such package |
| 00:29.05 | jahshua | abrotman: im not commenting on your hostname. :) im just wondering if this is how its done because i have always wondered. |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | jahshua: probably dyndns i'd guess .. but without an example .. really can't say |
| 00:30.01 | jahshua | oknp |
| 00:30.18 | Wyzard | jahshua: Your IRC hostname comes from a reverse DNS lookup on your IP, I believe |
| 00:30.34 | Wyzard | jahshua: To change it, you'd need to have control of your IP's reverse mapping |
| 00:31.33 | Wyzard | jahshua: Organizations that have their own IP space can do that, but on a home Internet you generally can't because the ISP controls the reverse mapping |
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| 00:32.13 | karsten | alis |
| 00:32.37 | karsten | Any NFS gurus present: is there a way to blacklist automounter entries so we don't get 30 failed automount req/second? |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | don't automount? |
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| 00:34.43 | karsten | abrotman: I wish. |
| 00:35.01 | karsten | abrotman: 5k engineers, 10k servers, 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 automount maps. |
| 00:35.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:35.14 | Kumool | karsten what i did was that i put all my music and documents on a fat32 partition |
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| 00:35.36 | abrotman | karsten: see .. why use nfs .. just use fat32!! |
| 00:35.39 | karsten | abrotman: of which, /net (automatically seek out and mount a given volume by hostname, wherever in our 80+ remote-site WAN that might be). |
| 00:35.48 | karsten | abrotman: THAT'S IT!!!! |
| 00:35.53 | karsten | abrotman: YOU'RE A GENIUS!!!! |
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| 00:36.14 | karsten | abrotman: YOU'VE SOLVED OUR $20,000,000/yr STORAGE PROBLEM!!! |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | karsten: tell the engineers you've solved all the network file storage issues .. and solved security at the same time .. fat32 is the bestest! |
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| 00:36.41 | abrotman | sniffs .. |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | ewwww .. sarcasm |
| 00:36.57 | Kumool | haha well at least it works |
| 00:37.05 | karsten | abrotman: The essence that lingers... |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
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| 00:37.10 | MattP | For some reason, whenever i install lenny, it says the disk is "Read only". I have used the disk before and it worked fine |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | Kumool: your "solution" fails to help him in any way |
| 00:37.34 | karsten | abrotman: That's where you're wrong. |
| 00:37.44 | karsten | abrotman: It *did* add a moment of levity to a Friday afternoon. |
| 00:37.58 | Kumool | yes i kno :( damn companies |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | karsten: it doesn't help solve your problem .. just makes your afternoon a bit better :) |
| 00:38.21 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, well, considering my dating situation, I could use that.... |
| 00:38.22 | vadmeste | WormFood, do you think that fechmail support proxy ? |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | karsten: maybe you shouldn't stay at work so late |
| 00:38.45 | karsten | abrotman: #dot |
| 00:38.54 | WormFood | it seems fetchmail supports everything |
| 00:39.18 | WormFood | vadmeste, I don't know, I only use fetchmail for testing, but I would guess it supports proxies |
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| 00:39.53 | daftd | \o/ i submitted my 1st debian bug |
| 00:40.14 | vadmeste | Wanderer, ok |
| 00:40.24 | Nazcafan | argh |
| 00:40.30 | vadmeste | WormFood, ok |
| 00:40.33 | Nazcafan | I can't read videos with vlc anymore |
| 00:40.38 | Kumool | is nfs the same as nfts? |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | no |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | not even close |
| 00:40.57 | Nazcafan | after getting rid of the packages through deborphan |
| 00:41.29 | daftd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.34 | Kumool | oh hmm... nfs? need for speed? :P jk of course im just clueless |
| 00:41.59 | Kumool | yes i forgot i never use nemore nvm |
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| 00:42.22 | daftd | nfs is a quite strait forward way to make network shares |
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| 00:44.48 | karsten | daftd: NFS |
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| 00:45.47 | karsten | daftd: Yes, it's pretty straightforward, in a simple case. Consider that a typical system here has about 100 - 250 mounts, and we've got 10k systems, and 5k users, at a bunch of seperate locations, I'd say this isn't a simple case. |
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| 00:46.19 | daftd | eumm ata over eth perhaps? |
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| 00:46.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:47.24 | karsten | daftd: I prefer smoke signals over /dev/ass, myself. |
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| 00:48.51 | daftd | perhaps you should read up and see when i joined the conversation. |
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| 00:49.00 | daftd | before you get a /dev/ass overflow |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | mexican food |
| 00:51.06 | SerajewelKS | you guys have any fucking clue how hard it is to decipher this conversation coming in halfway |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | eh? |
| 00:52.43 | daftd | SerajewelKS, it was started this way because i joined in halfway |
| 00:52.46 | SerajewelKS | from what i can tell karsten wants to do network mounts, something about a girlfriend, and you have diharrea |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | not me |
| 00:53.39 | SerajewelKS | and if you put the three together in one conversation, well, that can't be good |
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| 01:01.46 | Tully | !bin |
| 01:01.46 | dpkg | from memory, bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | !tell Tully about paste |
| 01:03.47 | Tully | Not sure if anyone can make enough sense of this paste to help me or point me in the right direction. |
| 01:03.54 | Tully | Trying to install this server application. |
| 01:03.58 | Tully | This is the output from make. |
| 01:03.59 | Tully | http://paste.debian.net/7030/ |
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| 01:04.39 | abrotman | nope .. doesn't make sense to me .. ask them |
| 01:04.53 | Wyzard | Tully: depconf is a script that's part of autoconf, I believe |
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| 01:05.23 | Wyzard | It should've been in the source tarball if it's needed for the build, afaik, but if that file actually doesn't exist, you'll need to install the autoconf package |
| 01:06.09 | Tully | From scratch or is that a linux package? |
| 01:06.42 | Wyzard | It's a Debian package |
| 01:06.48 | Nazcafan | mhh |
| 01:06.59 | Wyzard | and having it installed might make your build find it automatically |
| 01:07.12 | Nazcafan | I don't what I removed, but now, vlc is unwilling to read many file formats |
| 01:07.16 | Wyzard | or it might not; you should really contact the developers of that program and ask why it's missing in the first place |
| 01:08.44 | Tully | I'll try to contact the developers but I don't think I will have much luck. |
| 01:08.53 | Tully | I downloaded and installed the autoconf package but still same error. |
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| 01:10.57 | Tully | How can I change a symbolic link? It's pointing to /usr/share/automake-1.9/depcomp |
| 01:11.09 | Tully | and i checked the directory and there is a 1.10 and not a 1.9 |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | update-alternatives |
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| 01:13.45 | Wyzard | Tully: Where is the link located? |
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| 01:15.49 | Tully | The one it's looking for is a symbolic link that looks like this. |
| 01:15.49 | Tully | lrwxrwxrwx 1 tully tully 31 2008-06-20 10:43 depcomp -> /usr/share/automake-1.9/depcomp |
| 01:16.08 | Tully | I just wanna change that 9 to a 10 |
| 01:16.08 | Wyzard | Is that part of the source distribution you're trying to build? Or is it elsewhere on your system? |
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| 01:16.18 | Tully | Elsewhere on my system. |
| 01:16.30 | Wyzard | then, again, where is it located? |
| 01:16.44 | Tully | hydralisk:/tmp/pvpgn-1.99.r384/src/autoconf# |
| 01:16.55 | Wyzard | then it is part of the source distribution |
| 01:17.28 | Tully | But the file is is pointing to /usr/share/automake-1.9/depcomp does not exist |
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| 01:17.47 | Wyzard | right... it's looking for depcomp from an older version of automake |
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| 01:18.19 | Tully | can't i change the depcomp symbolic link in the autoconf of the source distribution to point to the newer version of defcomp? |
| 01:18.19 | Wyzard | The authors of pvpgn really should've shipped a copy of depcomp rather than a symlink to it, but for some reason automake supposedly defaults to making a symlink in some cases |
| 01:18.43 | Wyzard | It'd be better to just install automake1.9 (that's a package in Debian too) |
| 01:19.23 | Wyzard | Debian has multiple versions of automake packaged, apparently for this sort of reason... I guess there have been a number of incompatible changes between versions |
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| 01:21.36 | Caelum | is there something like stelnet in debian? |
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| 01:22.32 | Nazcafan | ah, it was not my fault actually |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | Caelum: like .. secure telnet ? |
| 01:23.17 | Wyzard | wonders what stelnet is |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | !info telnet-ssl etch |
| 01:23.57 | Caelum | abrotman: thank you! |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:24.04 | dpkg | telnet-ssl: (The telnet client with SSL encryption support), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17.24+0.1-14 (etch), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | Caelum: Why not use ssh? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | thinks Caelum has a faster pipe to the bot |
| 01:24.39 | Caelum | Wyzard: I just want to do some low level testing to an https server, that's all |
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| 01:29.47 | samantha-- | how can i export a page out of iceweasel as a pdf? |
| 01:30.12 | Caelum | samantha--: print to file, then ps2pdf the file |
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| 01:31.17 | hedos | Hello. How can I install svn on debian? There's no "svn" package? |
| 01:31.29 | hedos | (I'm talking about the svn client) |
| 01:31.34 | samantha-- | where did hans go wrong? i want to pull the same stunt, except get away with it. |
| 01:31.40 | samantha-- | grrrr. |
| 01:31.43 | Caelum | hedos: the package is "subversion" |
| 01:31.59 | hedos | Thanks Caelum. |
| 01:32.14 | Caelum | samantha--: or even easier, install "cups-pdf" |
| 01:32.27 | samantha-- | Caelum, that's the solution i was looking for, ty |
| 01:32.51 | Tully | Damn I got everything installed and when I run the application now it seems like it doesn't even do anything. I checked ps and it doesn't even load. |
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| 01:36.13 | Lexx | Anyone want to exchange some ideas here?? |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | did you ask a question ? |
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| 01:39.34 | alakdan | has anyone used debmirror here? |
| 01:40.26 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 01:40.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 01:40.40 | JordiGH | Sometimes my etch laptop with an ALPS touchpad (for which I have customised xorg.conf) seems to ignore my xorg.conf and uses weird settings. Restarting X usually fixes that. I haven't been able to get the weird settings reliably. And by weird I mean extremely sensitive pointer or tapping even though I disable tapping in xorg.conf. I have SHMConfig off, so I don't think there's another program messing with the xorg.conf settings. Any clues? |
| 01:41.53 | JordiGH | Also, is it possible to turn off password prompt for wireless passwords in Gnome? |
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| 01:42.20 | Lexx | I hav q question about the AMD 64 port for debian |
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| 01:43.06 | JordiGH | I'm using it. What about it? |
| 01:43.25 | Lexx | What Processor has the most stability with Debian? |
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| 01:44.22 | Lexx | I'm doing some research into building a Functional linux System |
| 01:44.42 | Lexx | And P.S. I'm an Australian |
| 01:44.46 | CompWizrd | definite stability? |
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| 01:46.24 | abrotman | i heard computers in Australia are less stable .. |
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| 01:46.54 | CalJohn | is IcedTea in debian or coming any time soon? |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | !pdo |
| 01:47.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:47.04 | Lexx | Ok, The AMD 64 platform has a variety of chipsets, and ports.. this isn't about Software but about what would be better suited to use for 32bit and 64 bit applications |
| 01:47.19 | CalJohn | abrotman: i already searched for it, i'm asking the question if anyone knows |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | is it there or not ? |
| 01:47.31 | CalJohn | abrotman: it is not |
| 01:47.39 | CalJohn | abrotman: but i am wondering largely about the future |
| 01:47.48 | CompWizrd | abrotman: i think it's the aussies that are less stable... |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | ask #debian-java on irc.oftc.net .. or the mailing list |
| 01:47.56 | Wyzard | Lexx: I'm running 64-bit Debian on an Intel-based system and it works fine |
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| 01:48.41 | Wyzard | Lexx: no 64-bit versions of the Flash or Java browser plugins, but other than that it acts pretty much the same as any 32-bit installation would |
| 01:48.50 | craigevil | CalJohn: http://maledivenhilfe.com/debian/ |
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| 01:49.38 | CalJohn | abrotman: craigevil's answer is the reason i asked my question here, "pretty damn obvious" or not |
| 01:50.22 | CalJohn | craigevil: openjdk = the gpl release ? |
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| 01:50.53 | abrotman | CalJohn: yes |
| 01:50.59 | JordiGH | In Australia, the computer fans spin the other way. That affects stability. |
| 01:51.27 | Lexx | abrotman: That's right, and I'm sick to death of finding only Windows built and Optimized Hardware/Systems, So I'm recreating a Standard System to share with anyone who's interested in a Stable Linux System, I figure to start with the CPU.. Mine of choice to start with is the AMD Athlon 64 FX62 with Socket AM2 |
| 01:52.10 | JordiGH | Lexx: As far as applications, so far I've only found 64bits useful if you want to address more than 4 gigs of RAM or if you do number-crunching. |
| 01:52.22 | Caelum | you can use nspluginwrapper for flash on amd64 |
| 01:52.30 | Caelum | and for java probably too |
| 01:52.36 | enouf | JordiGH: do you notice xserver only acting funny after a suspend/hibernation? (just a wild guess) |
| 01:52.45 | JordiGH | Lexx: You have to deal with the "hassle" of no 64bit blob plugins for iceweasel. |
| 01:52.49 | Caelum | also amd64 built stuff is faster on cpus capable of it |
| 01:52.52 | JordiGH | enouf: No, only after a clean boot. |
| 01:53.05 | JordiGH | Caelum: Is it? I haven't noticed a speed difference. |
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| 01:53.16 | Caelum | supposed to be anyway |
| 01:54.14 | CalJohn | JordiGH: probably because of iobound issues. cpu speed increases have never lead to a linear increase in speed |
| 01:54.22 | CalJohn | *general speed |
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| 01:54.31 | Keef | hey, quick question does anyone know how I can run a command in the background? I've forgotten how exactly but there was a couple ways one using screen and the other using a character at the end of line. |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | foo & |
| 01:54.58 | Keef | cheers |
| 01:55.02 | Lexx | but, with the Debian AMD 64 Port i can run my applications in 32bit and 64 bit, and the athlon range is backward compatible to such things as the x86 line of processors |
| 01:55.12 | JordiGH | Also, you can almost always stop the command with C-z and then background it with "bg". |
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| 01:55.32 | JordiGH | Lexx: Yes to the first part, not sure about the second. |
| 01:56.03 | Lexx | I'm not so sure either.. |
| 01:56.04 | enouf | wow .. JordiGH ok, so is it possible you're not starting X through your regular user? i mean when a DM is involved, and one bypasses that via logging into console 1st, followed by a startx. startkde, start-gnome-session, startxfce-session, whatever, the Xserver uses a diff authentication other than ~/.Xauthority (not sure that matters though) |
| 01:56.14 | Wyzard | Lexx: 64-bit Linux can run 32-bit programs |
| 01:56.34 | Wyzard | Lexx: but they can only use 32-bit libraries |
| 01:56.36 | Lexx | exellent |
| 01:56.37 | Caelum | Lexx: there's no good reason to NOT use Debian amd-64 anymore |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | browser plugins |
| 01:56.56 | Caelum | abrotman: which ones? |
| 01:57.00 | Caelum | abrotman: nspluginwrapper |
| 01:57.03 | Wyzard | Lexx: 64-bit Debian has packages with 32-bit versions of various core libraries, but there aren't 32-bit versions of everything |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | Caelum: i know about it .. i'm just saying that they're not native |
| 01:57.14 | JordiGH | enouf: Uhm, I've got GDM to passwordless login, do you think that could be it? |
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| 01:57.28 | enouf | JordiGH: are you autologging into the DE? and, once you do clean boot and settings are wrong/funky, what must you do to make it right? restart X? |
| 01:57.36 | Wyzard | Lexx: but commercial software typically includes bundled copies of whatever libraries it needs |
| 01:57.55 | JordiGH | enouf: Yes, I autologging and then settings are funky, kill X, login through GDM, things work fine. |
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| 01:58.18 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Commercial software like Debian? |
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| 01:58.38 | Wyzard | Lexx: I've run 32-bit VMware, Quake 4, and Doom 3 (but for the latter two I had to install nvidia-glx-ia32, which is the 32-bit OpenGL library for nVidia -- the regular nvidia-glx is 64-bit and 32-bit programs can't "see" it) |
| 01:58.57 | JordiGH | Is Doom 3 not free yet? |
| 01:59.34 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I need to connection limit a determinated host on the network, I´ve been told I can do it with conntrack but I dunno how to do it... Anyone can give me a hint? |
| 01:59.40 | Wyzard | JordiGH: no |
| 01:59.53 | enouf | JordiGH: i do that too, but through kdm, and that's the general normal way that usually uses ~/.Xauthority ... hrm .. now i'm really perplexed .. some gdmconfig settings? some user's $HOME/.whatever settings? .. or some weirdo leftover xdm-config settings somewhere in /etc/X11/* |
| 02:00.04 | Wyzard | JordiGH: and even when id releases the engine code, the game assets (models/textures/levels/etc.) will remain non-free |
| 02:00.23 | JordiGH | Wyzard: yeah, I don't get that. Why does id only free part of the game? |
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| 02:01.10 | Wyzard | JordiGH: because their intention isn't to give away the game for free, it's to allow the community to do new stuff with the engine |
| 02:01.13 | _ZeuZ_ | !cachemgr |
| 02:01.43 | JordiGH | Like Nexuiz? |
| 02:01.47 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 02:01.55 | Lexx | Wyzard: yea, that's great to know, do you know of anyone partaking in a standard Debian System Specific package recipie |
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| 02:02.19 | enouf | JordiGH: yeah. 1st thing to try is disable autologging in, and make it have you type in your passwd at the gdm GUI login .. look through all those option in the dropdown boxes or whatever, and see what's ticked/marked - make sure your gnome/xfce/kde is set as 'default' or whatever (sorry, i don't even remember what options are there in the gdm login screen) |
| 02:02.34 | Wyzard | Lexx: I don't understand that question |
| 02:03.21 | JordiGH | enouf: Typing password really isn't an option. This is for my mom, and I don't want her to know her own password. :-) But I'll play around with GDM login screen. Uhm, is there a way to temporarily put it in English? I can't understand the translated Spanish terms. |
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| 02:03.55 | ProNoob | can anyone tell me how i can get a cross compilation environment setup ? |
| 02:04.18 | JordiGH | Wyzard: But freeing up the engine doesn't prevent awesome competitors to exist; I really can't see any difference between Nexuiz and Quake 3; also, it's not as if people could have any sort of hard time finding the copyrighted material in the internet. It seems like a trivial hurdle to free the engine but not the data. |
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| 02:04.36 | enouf | JordiGH: haha .. sorry, i'm sure there is, i don't know how offhand though, all i can suggest is gdmconfig or whatever it is (maybe not in Etch?) |
| 02:05.28 | Lexx | Standard Hardware that Linux can use, like complete with what modem is better to use, CPU, Motherboard are the main issues I'm concerned about, DVD's as well for regional befifits |
| 02:05.47 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I don't think they're trying to prevent competition at the point when they release the engine... they're doing it because it's lived out its profitable life for them and they have something new that the old can't compete with |
| 02:05.56 | enouf | JordiGH: and for testing reasons, how would you typing in the passwd that only you know, matter ? |
| 02:06.04 | Wyzard | JordiGH: but the game content doesn't become obsolete like the engine does |
| 02:06.11 | JordiGH | Wyzard: So that still doesn't make sense. If it's not profitable, why keep it non-free? |
| 02:06.24 | JordiGH | Do they use Quake 1 maps in Doom 3? |
| 02:07.14 | Wyzard | of course not |
| 02:07.25 | JordiGH | enouf: I only type her password at sudo prompts, basically. She only uses Iceweasel (which I've partially rebranded to make it look like the Firefox I got her used to in Windows) and OO.o for viewing those stupid and corny .ppt attachments that seem to be ubiquitous amongst Mexicans. |
| 02:07.34 | JordiGH | Wyzard: So they're not using it anymore, why the hoarding? |
| 02:07.49 | Lexx | I'm looking for people who can help put this together for me an for anyone else who needs a free'er system that windows has it now > Proprietary Hardware Software Controling |
| 02:08.26 | enouf | JordiGH: wait a minute, which user is autologging in? You? or your mom? |
| 02:09.16 | JordiGH | enouf: There is only one user on that machine, it's named after my mom, but she doesn't know her own password. |
| 02:09.30 | enouf | JordiGH: and .. that gdm login would be a user passwd as you know - so no root .. ok then - so what's the issue? |
| 02:09.33 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Not being John Carmack, I can only guess, but I imagine it's because the complete game, which is marketed to the public, still has value (even if only on discount shelves, people do still buy it), whereas the engine was licensed only to other game developers, and that market is much smaller and has basically dried up because technology moved on |
| 02:09.54 | enouf | s/no root/nobody needs to know root passwd ... |
| 02:09.55 | JordiGH | Lexx: grep the debian-user mailing list, there is a recent thread about a hardware compatibility list for Debian. |
| 02:11.24 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I wonder if Carmack responds to personal email... |
| 02:11.34 | Lexx | JordiGH: Ok, though I'm not using Linux right now, I really wish I had just that bit of freedom to connect with linux |
| 02:11.38 | Wyzard | JordiGH: hehe... you could try |
| 02:11.46 | CalJohn | craigevil: that deb didn't seem to put anything into my path...where is the javac? |
| 02:12.00 | JordiGH | "Yo, Carmack, what's with the non-free stuff?" |
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| 02:12.20 | Lexx | JordiGH: I'm using win98 |
| 02:12.25 | Wyzard | JordiGH: though unfortunately the trend may be going in the opposite direction from what you're hoping... a few months ago I heard he'd made some comments about how he might not be able to release the doom3 engine as GPL |
| 02:12.59 | JordiGH | He might not be able to? :-( |
| 02:13.14 | JordiGH | Is it because people besides him are laying copyright claims on it? |
| 02:13.23 | Wyzard | JordiGH: possibly, or patents or something; I'm not sure |
| 02:13.25 | enouf | JordiGH: fwiw, you know you could install another DM like kdm say, switch between using the two with "dpkg-reconfigure {k,g}dm" ....also what does /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? try running update-alternatives --config x-<tab><tab> and set all those to defaults, see x-cursor-theme there too |
| 02:14.22 | JordiGH | enouf: But if you run Gnome from KDM, then you can't shutdown the computer from Gnome, you have to log out back to KDM. |
| 02:14.41 | JordiGH | enouf: I'm not sure I can install kdm without dragging along the rest of KDE? |
| 02:14.46 | enouf | ugh, ok, then drop that idea .. |
| 02:14.53 | enouf | sure you can |
| 02:14.58 | enouf | it's just a DM |
| 02:15.13 | enouf | apt-cache depends kdm |
| 02:15.20 | JordiGH | Well, it drags quite a few things. About 30 megs. |
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| 02:15.31 | JordiGH | qt and KDE libraries. |
| 02:15.36 | enouf | well.. hehe |
| 02:15.48 | enouf | just looked :-P |
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| 02:15.57 | JordiGH | Funny, I just rebooted and the touchpad works fine. |
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| 02:16.02 | JordiGH | I hate Heisenbugs. :-( |
| 02:16.05 | enouf | ok scratch that - JordiGH is xdm installed? |
| 02:16.33 | enouf | JordiGH: maybe it's settings are doing something .. there's a /etc/X11/xdm/* section |
| 02:16.33 | JordiGH | No, that one's small. I'll install that one. |
| 02:17.07 | JordiGH | Wait, xdm isn't installed. |
| 02:17.15 | JordiGH | twm seemingly is? But that's a window manager. |
| 02:17.20 | enouf | JordiGH: that suggest was just kinda a weird aside, the others were more .. oh well |
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| 02:17.27 | JordiGH | Can you install X without twm? |
| 02:18.03 | JordiGH | brb, kitteh wants teh foodz |
| 02:18.24 | enouf | JordiGH: i mean killing X via ctrl-alt-backspace really isn't the best way - try /etc/init.d/gdm restart instead |
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| 02:20.14 | JordiGH | Hm, again, no problems with touchpad. |
| 02:20.22 | JordiGH | let me try rebooting the whole thing. |
| 02:21.32 | enouf | Lexx: Intel core2duo or AMD64 with ddr2 will be your cheapest and best bet - google HCL linux, but most motherboards will work fine, so long as their main Chipset has been around longer than say 1-2 years |
| 02:21.36 | JordiGH | (I wonder if I should hide boot messages from my mom. She hasn't really commented on them yet.) |
| 02:22.11 | JordiGH | Oh, damn. An ext3 check. I forgot about that. That one is going to be tough to explain to my mom. |
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| 02:22.39 | JordiGH | ponders using tune2fs to set the fsck to almost never. |
| 02:22.42 | CompWizrd | if you have to remotely fix something, hiding the messages can be bad when it's sitting there waiting for you to hit Y or something |
| 02:23.00 | enouf | Lexx: there are plenty of dvd tools - i suggest you read this (install dvd+rw-tools pkg and others) http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 02:23.01 | CompWizrd | or if it's doing an fsck and she doesn't know to just leave the machine alone for a few minutes, and not hit the reset over and over |
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| 02:23.33 | JordiGH | Uh-oh. fsck actually found something wrong... |
| 02:23.33 | enouf | JordiGH: hiding boot messages when there are boot issues won't help you either :-P |
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| 02:24.06 | JordiGH | enouf: I thought I could use Splashy. A simple [esc] makes it go away. |
| 02:24.19 | JordiGH | And whew! fsck fixed whatever and now it boots fine. |
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| 02:24.42 | JordiGH | CompWizrd: My mom is not very patient with computers. If something doesn't work exactly the way she expects it to, she gets upset. |
| 02:24.51 | enouf | the 'quiet' boot option might help a bit, never used it though |
| 02:24.56 | CompWizrd | JordiGH: mine cancels her internet connection |
| 02:25.06 | enouf | haha |
| 02:25.06 | CompWizrd | "cancels", that is |
| 02:25.11 | enouf | pull the plug! |
| 02:25.12 | Lexx | enouf: thankyou for the info. Does anyone want to know what the system I've created contains? |
| 02:25.15 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I fsck'ed a 1TB ext3 filesystem a few days ago... it took three hours |
| 02:25.17 | CompWizrd | and then bitches to whoever will listen that no one would help her |
| 02:25.18 | JordiGH | CompWizrd: She's going to think it's stupid that the computer has to sit doing stuff once in a while, especially since Windows doesn't do this (or at least doesn't inform you if it does). |
| 02:25.38 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: i tried to xfs_check a 4TB array once |
| 02:25.44 | Wyzard | yikes |
| 02:25.45 | CompWizrd | i wiped it and started over from scratch after over a week |
| 02:25.49 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:25.58 | JordiGH | enouf: Doesn't "quiet" only silence kernel messages? |
| 02:25.59 | CompWizrd | seems they weren't kidding when they say 1 GB of ram per TB of disk , and per million files |
| 02:26.09 | enouf | JordiGH: just tell her "So it never gets as bad as windows - it's a once a month maintenance" :-P |
| 02:26.21 | Wyzard | and to be fair, mine was rebuilding a RAID-5 in the background, so it probably wouldn't normally take quite that long |
| 02:26.27 | enouf | JordiGH: though i'd like to see you explain the cron.daily to her O_o |
| 02:26.41 | JordiGH | enouf: thankfully, she doesn't even know what Windows is either. I don't think she's noticed I installed a new OS on her laptop. |
| 02:26.44 | enouf | JordiGH: the HDD is thrashing! yikes!@ , i'm being Hacked!! |
| 02:26.57 | JordiGH | Don't laptops run anachron? |
| 02:27.29 | JordiGH | Argh, touchpad is fine again. I give up. I can't reproduce the bug. :-/ |
| 02:27.30 | enouf | kernel messages? well, where are those boot messages coming from? :-P |
| 02:27.38 | JordiGH | I just hope *she* can't reproduce them either. |
| 02:27.50 | CompWizrd | JordiGH: what's the problem with the touchpad again? |
| 02:27.56 | CompWizrd | some laptops have a button on the top of the touchpad to shut it off |
| 02:28.07 | CompWizrd | HP's in particular |
| 02:28.23 | CompWizrd | i'm not sure if you should tell her that though, cause that'll be the first thing she'd rush out to push |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | and cpq |
| 02:28.35 | CompWizrd | usually a light goes on when it's disabled though |
| 02:28.36 | JordiGH | enouf: I thought the silent boot parameter only silenced the kernel messages, not the actual init messages once the init program takes over. |
| 02:28.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I need to connection limit a determinated host on the network, I´ve been told I can do it with conntrack but I dunno how to do it... Anyone can give me a hint? |
| 02:29.15 | JordiGH | CompWizrd: It's a Sony Vaio (the crapware was the main reason I was getting sick of trying to debug Windows; I don't even know Windows anyways). I don't see anything of the sort for the touchpad. |
| 02:29.19 | enouf | JordiGH: perhaps .. as i said, i never used it, as i like screen text ;-) |
| 02:29.53 | _ZeuZ_ | So that, for example, a host having more than 30 connections, would have the further packages for other connections -j REJECTed until he closes one of them |
| 02:29.54 | JordiGH | enouf: You like to know how memory is laid out on your computer and what IRQs are being assigned to your hardware? |
| 02:30.06 | simonrvn | enouf: i usually turn verbose on |
| 02:30.12 | enouf | JordiGH: also, check the BTS. you likely didn't go through any of the my config suggests yet either :-( |
| 02:30.19 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, Linux can be even more verbose? |
| 02:30.34 | enouf | JordiGH: yes, i reboot maybe 3 times a year :-P |
| 02:30.37 | JordiGH | enouf: If I manage to reproduce the bug again, I will. I'm suspecting it's a race condition. |
| 02:30.38 | enouf | if that |
| 02:30.43 | netdaemon | i really need to set a background in openbox, heh |
| 02:30.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.20 | simonrvn | i have a similarly uptimed box, 22:31:06 up 126 days, 3:45, 11 users, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.29 |
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| 02:31.47 | enouf | JordiGH: maybe you can interest your mom in compiling O_0 |
| 02:32.03 | enouf | she might think it's a game .. like Defrag :-p |
| 02:32.04 | simonrvn | i'm just hoping i can get a hard drive for it before the power goes out ;). |
| 02:32.32 | CompWizrd | dude, defrag is addictive |
| 02:32.43 | CompWizrd | though i prefer dklite, it's prettier |
| 02:33.42 | enouf | simonrvn: heh |
| 02:34.12 | enouf | CompWizrd: it's even better when Space Invaders music is playing :-P |
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| 02:35.00 | CompWizrd | the old windows 9x defrag was nicer, much much much more scrolling |
| 02:35.06 | CompWizrd | none of this resize-for-screen crap |
| 02:35.09 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 02:35.17 | CompWizrd | even better if you had 4kb clusters instead of 32k |
| 02:36.16 | enouf | bingo - fat32 is 4K |
| 02:36.26 | enouf | fat16 was 32K .. hence slack space |
| 02:36.55 | Wyzard | is looking forward to online defrag support in ext4 |
| 02:36.57 | enouf | (well, nowadays, fat32 on really large volumes makes the inverse true :-P) |
| 02:37.06 | CompWizrd | yeah, i used to resize mine to larger cluster sizes |
| 02:37.19 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: i learned the hardware e2defrag doesn't work even if you remove the journal off ext3 :) |
| 02:37.28 | CompWizrd | was testing on a spare partition |
| 02:37.30 | Wyzard | yeah, it corrupts the filesystem |
| 02:37.44 | CompWizrd | i like xfs_fsr, works nicely |
| 02:37.46 | Wyzard | I'm surprised it hasn't been updated, actually |
| 02:37.51 | CompWizrd | and almost pretty.. just needs a gui! |
| 02:38.16 | enouf | though that was block size, MPoop, IIRC, calls clusters what e call 'tracks' basically .. dang , i forget all that crap now |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | i hope they use the cowsay interface |
| 02:38.17 | Nyle | what is the blocksize in ext3 on debian install, default, options |
| 02:38.23 | Wyzard | Nyle: 4k |
| 02:38.24 | enouf | s/e/we |
| 02:38.28 | Nyle | thought so |
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| 02:39.31 | Nyle | enouf, its the tweeds |
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| 02:39.44 | enouf | CompWizrd: someone posted some serious info about raids/arrays/large volumes and their FSs and types of raid - maybe it'll help you with those 4TB arrays in the future ;-) http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/0804apr.html |
| 02:40.10 | CompWizrd | i ended up converting from a 15x300 raid5 to a 14x300 raid10 later on, and adding 4 gig of ram to the server |
| 02:40.24 | earthling | i love debian but SOMETIMES it can drive me crazy. i've been beating my head against the wall trying to change my default umask to 002. I even installed libpam_umask but documentation sucked so uninstalled it. someone please! |
| 02:40.37 | enouf | cafuego: another one, (not even sure id it's the same page) http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/0802feb.html |
| 02:40.42 | enouf | bah |
| 02:40.52 | enouf | CompWizrd: i meant you, not cafuego |
| 02:40.55 | Nyle | fuone |
| 02:41.10 | enouf | Nyle: tweeds? plaid? |
| 02:41.24 | Nyle | Tweed Head, Australia |
| 02:41.28 | Nyle | its an actual city |
| 02:41.31 | enouf | ahhh |
| 02:41.31 | Nyle | look it up. |
| 02:41.33 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:41.41 | enouf | look down foo :-p |
| 02:41.53 | Nyle | look it down? |
| 02:42.15 | Nyle | i always know when my phone is gonna go off, my speakers go crazy... |
| 02:42.21 | earthling | i have a better one than tweed head, how bout Slapout Alabama? |
| 02:42.22 | enouf | yep |
| 02:42.34 | enouf | bzzt ... ruffleruffle .. bzzt |
| 02:42.39 | Nyle | enouf, ugh.! |
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| 02:43.17 | earthling | they is also a fungo hollar (but it's just a small community between B'ham and Montevallo) |
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| 02:44.06 | enouf | earthling: seen /etc/profile and your ~/.bash* and friends? |
| 02:44.14 | feld | does anyone know where i can find a list of the packages in a base install? is there a metapackage that the installer references? |
| 02:44.25 | enouf | earthling: as root rgrep -l umask /etc/ |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | feld: define "base install" |
| 02:44.48 | Nyle | you mean base system? |
| 02:45.18 | feld | Nyle: precisely |
| 02:45.19 | Nyle | probably through a netinst, you want a list of packages that are installed using that... I dunno dpkg get selections after a netinst? |
| 02:45.23 | earthling | enouf: been there done that... and what about login.defs too |
| 02:45.32 | enouf | yep |
| 02:45.39 | enouf | and /etc/pam.d/login |
| 02:45.50 | Nyle | maybe.. no clue that is a good question though, I'd like to know that too |
| 02:46.16 | enouf | but your ~/.bash_profile should override all that if your system works right |
| 02:46.25 | enouf | IINM |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | feld: aptitude search "~prequired" is a start |
| 02:46.49 | enouf | check with 'umask' in console/term once logged in |
| 02:47.13 | earthling | ok... back to the drawing board... thanks guys.. |
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| 02:47.26 | Nyle | or... you can dl the netinst iso and just look in it... |
| 02:47.31 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 16 --connlimit-mask 24 -j REJECT -------------------- What would I´d be lacking there? |
| 02:47.35 | Nyle | see what udebs and what debs there are |
| 02:47.51 | enouf | and aptitude search ~pimportant and ~pstandard for 'standard' |
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| 02:48.13 | Nyle | pimped out port hehe |
| 02:48.51 | Nyle | in fact that would probably be best to generate a list of .debs inside the netinst image |
| 02:48.54 | Nyle | ... |
| 02:49.01 | \amethyst | ctrl-r then start typing the part you want to go to |
| 02:49.02 | \amethyst | doh |
| 02:49.06 | Nyle | instead of trying list all these things mabye I dunno |
| 02:49.09 | enouf | Nyle: there's a nice log in /var/log/installer :-P |
| 02:49.14 | Nyle | or that |
| 02:49.19 | Nyle | thanks |
| 02:49.26 | Nyle | (/me doesn't know nothin but nothin) |
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| 02:50.49 | Nyle | enouf, where exctly in /var/log/installer |
| 02:51.02 | feld | abrotman: that's exactly what i needed. you're a savior :) |
| 02:51.03 | enouf | wherever you installed |
| 02:51.06 | Nyle | cdebconf hardware-summary lsb-release partman status syslog |
| 02:51.11 | Nyle | this is all i got in that dir |
| 02:51.12 | enouf | syslog |
| 02:51.21 | Nyle | yeh.. |
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| 02:51.38 | Nyle | I still think the easiest way is to probably just get the list of packages from the netinst image |
| 02:51.48 | enouf | there's aloso two questions.dat and templates.dat files? |
| 02:51.49 | Nyle | in the dirs they are, generate a list |
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| 02:52.01 | Nyle | inside cdebconf yes |
| 02:52.18 | Nyle | (this is my sid machine, hasn't been reinstalled in um.. 5+ years) |
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| 02:52.36 | enouf | Nyle: look in /var/log/installer/cdebconf/ |
| 02:52.43 | Nyle | for? |
| 02:53.00 | Nyle | questions.dat templates.dat |
| 02:53.10 | enouf | templates.dat is like 5000 languages though :-P |
| 02:53.15 | Nyle | thats it, nothing else in there besides them |
| 02:53.43 | enouf | right, questions.dat is what i refer to for possible info |
| 02:53.44 | Nyle | enouf, so where is the list of packages installed upon a base system? |
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| 02:53.50 | Nyle | enouf, too much bullshit! |
| 02:53.51 | enouf | in syslog |
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| 02:54.03 | Nyle | just get the friggin image of netinst and open it and look to see which packages are in there |
| 02:54.08 | enouf | it tells you what's installing :-P |
| 02:54.17 | Nyle | not only you get those, but also the udebs(which/when/where/how/who/what) |
| 02:54.19 | Nyle | blah blah |
| 02:54.19 | CompWizrd | do a base install and dpkg --get-selections ;) |
| 02:54.40 | Nyle | 10:44 < Nyle> probably through a netinst, you want a list of packages that are installed using that... I dunno dpkg get selections after a netinst? |
| 02:54.53 | Nyle | no body listen to me :( |
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| 02:55.42 | Nyle | nobody knows the trouble I've seen..nobody knows my sorrow |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | or use aptitude search ? |
| 02:56.23 | Lexx | enouf: This is what I had in mind, tell me what you think, Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 (primarily for the upgradeability to an X2) I think any motherboard that supports AMD X2 AM2 sockets are upgradeable, but what's AM2+ do you know? |
| 02:56.44 | Nyle | go intel if you an |
| 02:56.46 | Nyle | can |
| 02:57.03 | enouf | AM2+ IINM accepts also the newer Phenom Quad Cores? |
| 02:57.14 | Lexx | why intel, they're buddies with microsoft |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | ask ##hardware ? |
| 02:57.23 | Wyzard | Lexx: Rather than buying a single-core processor now with the expectation of replacing it with a dual-core one before the socket becomes obsolete, why not just get a dual-core now? |
| 02:57.25 | Nyle | so? |
| 02:57.28 | enouf | oh stop you guys with intel vs amd |
| 02:57.33 | Gnurdux | Lexx, amd are buddies with microsoft too |
| 02:57.43 | Gnurdux | intel is actually a better supporter of open source |
| 02:57.43 | CompWizrd | especially with the cost between single and dual core being so little.. even dual and quad is becoming a no-brainer now |
| 02:57.46 | Nyle | I'm buddies with MS |
| 02:57.50 | Gnurdux | they actually open source most of their drivers |
| 02:57.55 | Nyle | gates was over here just last night having a beer with me |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | Gnurdux: not if you take the newer ATi doc release into account :-P |
| 02:58.08 | Lexx | abrotman: excellent, thanks |
| 02:58.10 | Nyle | ...the fuck it matters whose friends with who, look at superior technlogoy |
| 02:58.11 | Nyle | wtf |
| 02:58.23 | Wyzard | Lexx: I built a system recently using a Core 2 Duo E8400, which is pretty cost-efficient and powerful too |
| 02:58.25 | Gnurdux | well, they havent released their actual source |
| 02:58.27 | Nyle | intel is king atm. you dare to disagree? |
| 02:58.29 | Gnurdux | but yeah |
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| 02:58.40 | Nyle | ok lets go to ##hardware |
| 02:58.40 | Lexx | AMD is venturing toward the Open Source Market |
| 02:58.53 | simonrvn | king in their own minds |
| 02:59.05 | Nyle | price vs performance factor |
| 02:59.16 | Lexx | Wyzard: what socket is it? |
| 02:59.16 | Nyle | you can't beat intel atm with their core line or whatever |
| 02:59.20 | Nyle | but anyway |
| 02:59.33 | Wyzard | Lexx: 775, same socket they've been using for quite awhile now |
| 02:59.36 | enouf | Nyle: sigh "Nobody listens to me" :-P 22:16:54] <enouf> Lexx: Intel core2duo or AMD64 with ddr2 will be your cheapest and best bet - google HCL linux, but most motherboards will work fine, so long as their main Chipset has been around longer than say 1-2 years |
| 02:59.51 | enouf | hides |
| 02:59.55 | Nyle | enouf, hey |
| 03:00.02 | Nyle | ok. |
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| 03:00.25 | Nyle | enouf, I don't pay attention to you anyway ;) |
| 03:00.25 | Wyzard | Lexx: One good reason to go with an Intel system is that the chipset's SATA controller supports AHCI, which is the best-supported type of SATA controller for Linux (full hotplug and NCQ support) |
| 03:00.37 | enouf | Nyle: and you shouldn't :-) |
| 03:00.48 | Nyle | and intel onboard fgx is freaking sweet |
| 03:00.48 | Wyzard | Lexx: though it uses legacy mode by default, so you'll want to switch it to AHCI in the BIOS before installing |
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| 03:00.51 | netdaemon | Wyzard, i went intel for the nice *nix support meself |
| 03:00.56 | smacnay | was there a naming error with the latest nvidia drivers? I get a "broken" nvidia-glx driver. |
| 03:00.59 | Nyle | it just works... |
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| 03:01.12 | enouf | Wyzard: the amd64 Nvidia MCP Chipsets are fine as well |
| 03:01.13 | smacnay | Nyle, fgx? |
| 03:01.18 | Nyle | intel is more friends with linux than amd anyday |
| 03:01.22 | Lexx | what do you think about the AM2 socket, |
| 03:01.23 | Wyzard | enouf: Do they do AHCI? |
| 03:01.23 | netdaemon | Nyle, only thing about my G33 intel gfx is my hdmi 2 dvi dongle won't work with X |
| 03:01.30 | enouf | Wyzard: ofcourse |
| 03:01.32 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 03:01.32 | Nyle | dongle |
| 03:01.35 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:01.37 | Nyle | whatta freaky word |
| 03:01.39 | netdaemon | converter? |
| 03:01.40 | Nyle | dongle dongle |
| 03:01.43 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:01.47 | Nyle | you're a dongle |
| 03:01.51 | Nyle | hehehe :) |
| 03:01.57 | netdaemon | i believe they'v fixed it, just needs to roll down in the next intel driver release |
| 03:02.15 | netdaemon | fragments on my LCD are driving me nuts |
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| 03:02.25 | Nyle | fragments |
| 03:02.37 | Nyle | man you don't even wanan know what fglrx put me through with my brand spankin new lcd |
| 03:02.44 | netdaemon | heh |
| 03:02.53 | Nyle | shit, IME radeonhd/radeon is much better than fglrx |
| 03:02.56 | Wyzard | enouf: good to know |
| 03:02.58 | Nyle | even at this stage |
| 03:03.11 | Nyle | at least it doesnt try to fuck my hw |
| 03:03.13 | netdaemon | Nyle, well at least amd is redeaming by shipping linux drivers and penguin pictures on future cards :P |
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| 03:03.32 | Nyle | fuck penguins and fuck shipping |
| 03:03.40 | Nyle | make a non sucky and fully working driver ffs. |
| 03:03.56 | Nyle | wtf am i gonna do with a penguin picture? |
| 03:04.01 | CompWizrd | 'we'er sorry about screwing you over for so many years, here's a penguin picture and some crappy drivers. WE BFF NAOW?' |
| 03:04.01 | netdaemon | well they did release specs, it'll take time |
| 03:04.03 | Nyle | or outdated linux drivers in a box? |
| 03:04.14 | Nyle | thats useless to me |
| 03:04.23 | Nyle | CompWizrd, hehe |
| 03:04.42 | netdaemon | i'd rather them make an effort to be OSS friendly rather than just be little snobby bastards like nvidia, lol |
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| 03:04.54 | Nyle | but.. |
| 03:04.58 | Nyle | nvidia got good drivers |
| 03:05.02 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | so the news from amd today is useless? |
| 03:05.12 | netdaemon | that don't work with the next version of Xorg |
| 03:05.21 | Nyle | amd64deb-2-6-24, upgrade to .25 already man |
| 03:05.22 | netdaemon | and they don't plan on releasing anymore until Xorg's abi stabilizes |
| 03:05.25 | CompWizrd | console is good enough for anyone |
| 03:05.25 | Nyle | stop living in last month ;) |
| 03:05.52 | Nyle | abi? |
| 03:05.54 | Nyle | word |
| 03:05.55 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:06.00 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | new laptop |
| 03:06.09 | Nyle | nueva laptopa |
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| 03:06.31 | CompWizrd | if only kernel updates were as easy as /nick |
| 03:06.39 | netdaemon | heh |
| 03:06.42 | Nyle | they are |
| 03:06.49 | Nyle | ever be hearin' of kernel package? |
| 03:06.50 | Nyle | kp? |
| 03:07.01 | enouf | Wyzard: "NOTE: Newer NVIDIA chipsets are AHCI, and use the ahci driver rather than the sata_nv driver." http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware%2C_driver_status |
| 03:07.06 | netdaemon | i haven't compiled my own kernel in a long time |
| 03:07.18 | Wyzard | enouf: nifty, I'll keep that in mind |
| 03:07.20 | Nyle | CompWizrd, debian stock is just dandy |
| 03:07.21 | CompWizrd | i'm still waiting for marvell SATA support on one of my servers |
| 03:07.29 | CompWizrd | luckily i don't use it |
| 03:07.47 | Nyle | servers |
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| 03:08.13 | Lexx | Wyzard: what about the intel Core 2 Duo E6600, does your edition have better fixes or is it just faster |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | fixes? |
| 03:08.26 | Nyle | servers are supposed to be servants, but they are usually more expensive than the desktops whic I guess are to be served so they should be the rich masters |
| 03:08.29 | Nyle | its weird |
| 03:08.34 | enouf | Wyzard: sure though - there are plenty of "gotchas" to still watch out for |
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| 03:08.52 | Nyle | fixes? |
| 03:08.57 | CompWizrd | e6600 is pretty old, if you're buying a new machine, you should be looking into a E8xx or E9xx anyways |
| 03:08.58 | netdaemon | likes his Q6600 =) |
| 03:09.03 | Nyle | has a b1 stepping e6300 core 2 |
| 03:09.14 | Nyle | from the early batches |
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| 03:09.25 | Wyzard | Lexx: The E6600 is older... E8400 is fairly recent |
| 03:09.32 | Nyle | I clock from 1866 to 3500 :D and my e-penis is huge |
| 03:09.34 | Nyle | ok |
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| 03:09.38 | CompWizrd | newest c2d's have 6meg l2, for example |
| 03:09.55 | Wyzard | Lexx: I have an E6600 in my Debian box (bought in November 2006) and an E8400 in my Windows gaming box (bought two months ago) |
| 03:10.08 | Nyle | Wyzard, what games? |
| 03:10.12 | Nyle | which* |
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| 03:10.55 | enouf | Lexx: see the thing about amd64 and it's ondie RAM controller is it's long 10yr view and it's Torrenza HTT Bus/interconnect implementations |
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| 03:11.24 | Nyle | enouf, dude |
| 03:11.25 | Nyle | english |
| 03:11.27 | aixenv | is it possible to password protect a specific desktop with gnome? ie say when i switch to desktop 3 it prompts for a password? but for say desktops 1,2, 4 ? |
| 03:11.27 | enouf | Lexx: and Intel has HUGE amounts of $$$ so they can play catchup and even surpass AMD here and there |
| 03:11.28 | Nyle | please |
| 03:11.38 | enouf | and the Core2Duo kindof does that |
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| 03:11.41 | Lexx | Wyzard: Ok then. but then what about upgrading? if your motherboard only supports socket 775 where does that lead to? |
| 03:11.59 | Nyle | umm |
| 03:12.01 | Wyzard | Lexx: "Only" suports socket 775? |
| 03:12.03 | Nyle | what? |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | aixenv: don't think so .. ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:12.15 | netdaemon | Lexx, socket 775 is pretty much standard for intel and has been for a long time |
| 03:12.20 | aixenv | abrotman : ok ty |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | Lexx: ask hardware questions in ##hardware |
| 03:12.24 | Nyle | new mobos are like 150-200$ tops for like a new socket tupe for a new cpu |
| 03:12.34 | Wyzard | Lexx: Any motherboard "only" supports one socket |
| 03:12.34 | CompWizrd | next generation of intel chips will be moving to a new socket though |
| 03:12.39 | CompWizrd | with integrated memory controller |
| 03:12.42 | Nyle | just buy a new baord |
| 03:12.49 | Wyzard | Lexx: 775 is the current socket for Intel systems and doesn't look like it's about to change |
| 03:12.52 | Nyle | spend some of that crack money |
| 03:13.00 | enouf | Nyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner :-P Opterons baby \o/ |
| 03:13.06 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: oh, I'm wrong then :-) |
| 03:13.13 | Nyle | enouf, you can score 1 brand new for about 1000 |
| 03:13.24 | abrotman | is pdo dead for others? |
| 03:13.33 | CompWizrd | you're running debian, not windows, so buying a new board isn't the end of the world, you won't have to buy a new Windows OEM license |
| 03:13.43 | Wyzard | Lexx: Socket compatibility can be pretty useful btw -- for troubleshooting I once took out my C2D chip and put in an old Pentium 4, and it worked fine |
| 03:13.46 | Nyle | 64 bytes from puccini.debian.org (87.106.4.56): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=104 ms |
| 03:13.54 | abrotman | useless |
| 03:14.09 | enouf | Nyle: fwiw, here's that torrenza nonsense i mentioned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrenza |
| 03:14.26 | Nyle | abrotman, yes it is |
| 03:14.31 | Nyle | An error occurred while loading http://packages.debian.org: |
| 03:14.32 | Nyle | Timeout on server Connection was to packages.debian.org at port 80 |
| 03:14.34 | CompWizrd | early "c2d capable" motherboards had trouble with c2d's, and you had to put a regular p4 in the machine to upgrade the bios to handle the c2d, too |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | useless or dead ? |
| 03:14.38 | Lexx | Wyzard: that processor only fits on one board type, i'm looking for a board that can be easily upgraded by simply buying a new cpu |
| 03:14.45 | Nyle | abrotman, both |
| 03:14.54 | Nyle | abrotman, I pined pdo and got that reponse |
| 03:14.55 | Gnurdux | actually it might well change with Nehalem late this year |
| 03:15.09 | Gnurdux | isnt Nehalem supposed to be like LGA 1366 |
| 03:15.17 | Wyzard | Lexx: What you're saying doesn't make sense... 775 is *the* socket type that's used by current Intel systems |
| 03:15.20 | Nyle | dude |
| 03:15.22 | abrotman | ping doesn't help |
| 03:15.26 | CompWizrd | Gnurdux: sounds familiar |
| 03:15.28 | Nyle | where do they get these jew names for cpus? |
| 03:15.28 | Nyle | wtf |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | Nyle: not funny |
| 03:15.45 | CompWizrd | Nyle: Israel design labs.. and rivers in oregon |
| 03:15.46 | Nyle | whats not funny? |
| 03:15.48 | Wyzard | Lexx: If future processors continue using 775, you'll be able to use newer processors on your board (though you may need a BIOS update) |
| 03:15.50 | Nyle | CompWizrd, oh |
| 03:15.59 | Nyle | really? |
| 03:16.07 | Nyle | i didn't know, but i guess now it makes sense |
| 03:16.09 | Wyzard | Lexx: If future processors change to a different socket, you'll need a new board because you can't get a board today with a socket that doesn't exist yet |
| 03:16.14 | Nyle | if they are in israel, use jew names |
| 03:16.16 | Nyle | makes sense |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | Lexx: you really need to go to ##hardware |
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| 03:16.28 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: i miss socket 370/slot1 a bit ;) |
| 03:16.38 | enouf | CompWizrd: sound like what needed to be done when ppl using s939s wanted to move to X2 CPUs ;-) |
| 03:16.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: pdo doesn't work for me either (on FiOS in Maryland) |
| 03:16.59 | Nyle | abrotman, oh I'm sorry, s/jew/ibrani |
| 03:16.59 | CompWizrd | yeah, i've got a dual cpu athlon board that's socket 940.. not much i can upgrade to.. has a pair of opteron 265's on it |
| 03:17.04 | enouf | CompWizrd: s939 handled it, but you needed to flash the BIOS 1st :-P |
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| 03:17.26 | Nyle | thats better |
| 03:17.37 | muhoo | how again do i get apt-get and/or dpkg to configure any packages i may have left unconfigured? |
| 03:17.53 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:17.53 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, abrotman |
| 03:17.54 | enouf | CompWizrd: shame even though AM2 is also 940 pins, it's not compatible at all with those older 1/2/8xx series MP systems :-P |
| 03:17.59 | muhoo | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:18.31 | Nyle | I can't go to israel, ever, not even after i get american citizenship, cuz i have pakistani and pakistan people are not allowed in israel |
| 03:18.34 | Nyle | that sucks |
| 03:19.07 | CompWizrd | some countries ban you from visiting if you've ever been in israel, so it goes both ways |
| 03:19.15 | Nyle | no shit? |
| 03:19.16 | Nyle | damn |
| 03:19.36 | Lexx | ok. see i don't now alot about sockets and their conectabilities, i know the AM2 socket is used more standardly in AMD based systems. your intel system is appealing, i think i need to start a fourum about this |
| 03:19.45 | Nyle | Lexx, seriously |
| 03:19.53 | Nyle | Lexx, ##hardware is FULL of hw only buffs |
| 03:19.59 | ix | just have them stamp a sheet of paper instead of your passport - supposedly works like a charm. |
| 03:20.04 | Wyzard | Lexx: AM2 is *the* current AMD socket and 775 is *the* current Intel socket... that's all there is to it |
| 03:20.04 | CompWizrd | and this is mostly OT for here, too |
| 03:20.04 | Nyle | bo there and ask, you will get much better support and you won't be offtopic |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 03:20.18 | Nyle | s/bo/go |
| 03:20.41 | Wyzard | Lexx: There is no motherboard that will magically fit processors built for future socket types that don't exist yet |
| 03:20.48 | Nyle | Wyzard, ... |
| 03:20.56 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: but it's happened before :) |
| 03:21.40 | Wyzard | I didn't say future processors, I said future sockets |
| 03:21.49 | Wyzard | Future processors using the same socket are fine |
| 03:21.52 | CompWizrd | slot1 could handle socket 370 |
| 03:21.52 | enouf | abrotman: ya know, p.d.o is now about to time-out and fail .. but i noticed also how when browsing websvn (svn.debian.org) that's always dog slow (bothersome) but i hear that's an alioth controlled thing |
| 03:21.55 | CompWizrd | with a slocket |
| 03:22.03 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:22.08 | smacnay | I am seeing the exact same version numbers for nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, and nvidia-kernel-source but get a report that nvidia-glx is broken. Seems it depends on an nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 package instead of nvidia-kernel-source... |
| 03:22.12 | CompWizrd | and socket.. 3 (486) i think it was could handle pentium's with adapters |
| 03:22.25 | CompWizrd | but the upcoming new socket 12xx is not going to handle socket 775, no, or vice versa |
| 03:22.27 | enouf | abrotman: actually p.d.o is still on the 'making connection' phase .. seems stuck |
| 03:22.28 | Wyzard | smacnay: That's normal... you use module-assistant to build the nvidia-kernel package locally on your system (from nvidia-kernel-source) |
| 03:22.33 | CompWizrd | since there's going to be an integrated memory controller |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | enouf: takes awhile to time out |
| 03:22.56 | smacnay | Wyzard, so after building the kernel-package, the versions are correct for nvidia-glx? |
| 03:22.58 | Lexx | Comp Wizard: could you stick any 940 pin cpu into them? |
| 03:22.58 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, but IIRC, i changed my browser timeout to like 30 sec or something |
| 03:23.03 | Nyle | !hw |
| 03:23.03 | dpkg | from memory, hw is please ask all your non-debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware where you will recieve much better support, AND you won't be offtopic in #debian. Also see <hardware> and <offtopic> |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | Lexx: for the last time .. ##hardware .. i'm not going to tell you again |
| 03:23.33 | Lexx | Comp Wizard: could you stick any 940 pin cpu into them? no sorry, am2? |
| 03:23.35 | Wyzard | smacnay: module-assistant will build an nvidia-glx package that Provides: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09, so you can install nvidia-glx |
| 03:23.42 | Nyle | *sigh* |
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| 03:23.47 | Wyzard | smacnay: oops, module-assistant will build an nvidia-kernel package, that is |
| 03:23.48 | enouf | Lexx: note abrotman's warning |
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| 03:23.57 | enouf | oh wekll, too late :-P |
| 03:24.09 | smacnay | Wyzard, thanks - so m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source and then install nvidia-glx? |
| 03:24.14 | Wyzard | smacnay: yep |
| 03:24.18 | smacnay | Wyzard, thanks |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | Lexx: You've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic. |
| 03:24.20 | Nyle | nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 03:24.23 | Wyzard | smacnay: actually, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 03:24.25 | Nyle | or ma ai nvida? |
| 03:24.33 | Nyle | Wyzard, you sure about that? |
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| 03:24.39 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:24.42 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:24.51 | smacnay | Wyzard, sorry, I didn't catch that... |
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| 03:24.57 | abrotman | Lexx: try asking ##hardware about your intel/amd questions |
| 03:25.00 | Nyle | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 03:25.14 | smacnay | Nyle, thanks - that looks more familiar |
| 03:25.17 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:25.17 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:25.27 | Nyle | smacnay, /msg dpkg nvidia and visit the wiki as well |
| 03:25.54 | Wyzard | Nyle: hmm, apparently it is "nvidia"... but I could swear it used to be "nvidia-kernel" |
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| 03:26.03 | Nyle | Wyzard, it never was. :) |
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| 03:26.15 | Wyzard | Maybe I'm mixing it up with the package name |
| 03:26.20 | Nyle | you are |
| 03:26.36 | Wyzard | I stand corrected then |
| 03:26.43 | Nyle | that you do |
| 03:26.51 | Nyle | you can sit... |
| 03:27.02 | Wyzard | sits corrected :-) |
| 03:27.07 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:27.09 | Nyle | word |
| 03:27.38 | rokra | someone can indicate me why the color code ORANGE="\[\033[0;38m\]" is not working on my debian but is working on the ubunut? |
| 03:28.17 | Wyzard | Speaking of the nVidia driver, I installed the new one on a Windows box earlier today, and noticed in the click-through EULA that there's a clause saying if you sue nVidia, they can revoke your license to use their driver |
| 03:29.19 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | wow they got you there |
| 03:29.43 | Nyle | but if you want to use the driver |
| 03:29.46 | Nyle | you have no other choice |
| 03:29.50 | Nyle | you must accept |
| 03:29.52 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | like i wont buy another card with that 10million dollars |
| 03:30.16 | Nyle | amd64deb-2-6-24, what other options do you have |
| 03:30.24 | Nyle | besides the now semiopen amd |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | didn't we just cover this? |
| 03:30.32 | Wyzard | However, there's a clause at the end that says something to the effect of "this is your complete agreement with nVidia and supersedes any prior understanding, written or verbal" |
| 03:30.44 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | ati |
| 03:30.48 | Nyle | Verbal Kint |
| 03:30.51 | Wyzard | so I wonder, if they revoked your license, couldn't you just go back to the site and download it again? |
| 03:30.59 | Nyle | or Keyser Soze |
| 03:31.02 | Wyzard | They've distributed another copy to you and granted a new license, superseding the old revocation :-) |
| 03:31.05 | Nyle | hmm |
| 03:31.22 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: do you play a lawyer in your spare time? :) |
| 03:31.41 | Wyzard | hehe, nah, but I do think about security and loopholes |
| 03:31.47 | KeyeserSoze | its fun to pretend :) |
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| 03:33.19 | KeyeserSoze | like I am now pretending to be the cool wicked evil villian from The Usual Suspects |
| 03:33.57 | KeyeserSoze | man Kevin Spacey is the shit (I loved him as Lex Luther in Superman Returns) |
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| 03:34.59 | KeyeserSoze | in fact there was even a show or a movie called 'The Pretenders' |
| 03:35.14 | KeyeserSoze | thats how much fun it is, people get together in groups and pretend |
| 03:35.23 | KeyeserSoze | I'm gonna shut up now :( |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | good plan |
| 03:35.46 | earthling | i've done everything i know how to do to change my default umask from 022 to 022 .... it seems to ONLY work when i login to console. if i login through GDM to Gnome, it is ALWAYS 022 no matter what i do in .bash* files or even login.defs ... this is NUTS.. |
| 03:36.03 | KeyeserSoze | but... |
| 03:36.07 | KeyeserSoze | its already 022? |
| 03:36.13 | KeyeserSoze | what are you smoking? |
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| 03:36.38 | earthling | i didn't come to be insulted, i came for answers.. OK? |
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| 03:36.48 | KeyeserSoze | but look what you just asked! |
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| 03:36.58 | KeyeserSoze | you want to chagne from 022 to 022? |
| 03:37.02 | KeyeserSoze | how is that possible? |
| 03:37.08 | KeyeserSoze | its ALREADY 022 |
| 03:37.28 | earthling | carp, on, typo error... 022 to 002, ok? |
| 03:37.33 | abrotman | earthling: the .bash files aren't run on gdm i don't think how are you creating the files that have the wrong perms? |
| 03:38.14 | earthling | now it works if i login to xterm then type umask 002 but then it's only for that xterm session, not the GDM/Gnome session.. |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | right .. because .bashrc is for non-login shells which includes xterm |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | it tells you that at the top |
| 03:39.00 | earthling | i even installed libpam_umask and edited /etc/pam.d/login and added that library.. |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | of the file |
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| 03:52.52 | enouf | CompWizrd: s/slocket/slotket adatper </pedantry> :-P |
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| 03:56.40 | enouf | KeyeserSoze: please do NOT private message people |
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| 04:05.23 | NinjaMan | what is better for connecting to a MySQL DB - ODBC or JDBC? |
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| 04:07.16 | Wyzard | NinjaMan: Both are generic database-independent abstraction layers, so neither is ideally suited |
| 04:07.31 | netdaemon | bbiab |
| 04:07.39 | Wyzard | Use whichever is more appropriate to your development environment (e.g. JDBC for Java) |
| 04:07.49 | icenine | If you don't need your program to be portable across other databases, then you don't need them.. |
| 04:08.09 | Wyzard | or use a native MySQL client if that's an option |
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| 04:09.42 | NinjaMan | Wyzard: thanks - I have not see the native MySQL connector for OO in the debian repository - I think it is still in alpha state |
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| 04:10.54 | NinjaMan | Wyzard: I will try ODBC as i've just read that JDBC has some issues with primary key creation and because the cross-platform portability is not important to me |
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| 04:29.03 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 04:29.04 | dpkg | hmm... qotd136 is < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
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| 04:31.39 | KeyeserSoze | enouf, what are you on crack? |
| 04:31.43 | KeyeserSoze | you're not people |
| 04:31.46 | KeyeserSoze | and answer my fucking msg |
| 04:31.59 | KeyeserSoze | :/ |
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| 04:32.24 | Arafangion | Hey, why can't I find libneon-dev on either of the first two DVD's? |
| 04:32.30 | enouf | KeyeserSoze: F u moron :-P |
| 04:33.03 | enouf | your're going into the b0z0 box now - have fun ;-) |
| 04:33.12 | enouf | oh .. it's you :-P |
| 04:33.17 | enouf | f00l |
| 04:33.40 | KeyeserSoze | heh |
| 04:33.46 | KeyeserSoze | crackhead ;) |
| 04:33.50 | enouf | why do i have to play /whois you freakin stoney/junkie/freak |
| 04:34.03 | enouf | just tell me next time aswipe |
| 04:34.07 | enouf | +s :-p |
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| 04:34.29 | KeyeserSoze | enouf, oh I thought you'd know this was one of my nicks |
| 04:34.34 | KeyeserSoze | knew* |
| 04:34.37 | craigevil | libeneon is numbered pick the one you want, libneon25-dev libneon26-dev libneon27-dev and even then it may or may not be on the first 2 dvds |
| 04:34.52 | enouf | nope.. i got my own idiosyncracies to contend with :-) |
| 04:35.02 | KeyeserSoze | ok |
| 04:35.46 | Arafangion | craigevil: Wow, I can still remember the days when debian took no more than 7 CD's, how many DVD's does it take now? |
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| 04:35.54 | enouf | 3 |
| 04:36.03 | enouf | !dstats lenny |
| 04:36.23 | Arafangion | enouf: I thought that was just source code, as opposed to headers, docs and binaries? |
| 04:36.34 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22389 packages, 1914 maintainers, 56941 MB installed size, 20021 MB compressed size. |
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| 04:36.46 | enouf | oh, i don;t know - screw it - you want to include all arches too? |
| 04:37.01 | Arafangion | Yikes, 4 or 5 DVD's! (Nah, let's be _sane_, and talk about only one arch at a time! :) ) |
| 04:37.58 | Arafangion | I think I'll just download and compile libneon manually, libneon's damn finacky with versions. |
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| 04:40.40 | peterS | Arafangion: out of curiosity, what are you wanting libneon-dev for? |
| 04:41.21 | peterS | neon isn't _that_ finicky with versions. and it isn't anywhere near as awful in that regard as it was back in 0.23.x or so |
| 04:42.24 | Arafangion | peterS: Latest RapidSVN. |
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| 04:43.13 | peterS | Arafangion: rapidsvn doesn't need neon. pretty sure it doesn't. it needs libsvn-dev, which will pull in whatever neon may be appropriate. |
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| 04:44.01 | Arafangion | peterS: Well, ./configure barfs without it. |
| 04:44.07 | peterS | Arafangion: I asked because tonight I've been dealing with subversion 1.5.0 + debian issues |
| 04:44.38 | Wyzard | Arafangion: libsvn-dev depends on libneon27-gnutls-dev |
| 04:44.45 | Arafangion | peterS: Now that I've re-read the error message, the only thing that's causing it to barf specifically is not having neon-config... |
| 04:45.00 | peterS | (the long-awaited 1.5.0 is now at http://incoming.debian.org/, get it while it's hot) |
| 04:45.23 | Arafangion | peterS: I'm not sure I want to manage a 'mixed' distro as yet. :( |
| 04:45.40 | Arafangion | I normally find compiling my own stuff trivial, except I'm tired. (Big party last night) |
| 04:45.54 | peterS | well, yeah, you don't want my 1.5.0 binary package unless you're on lenny or sid |
| 04:46.05 | enouf | !\o/ peterS |
| 04:46.11 | enouf | oh well |
| 04:46.32 | peterS | enouf: technically it is in 'experimental'. but that is mostly because, well, 1.5.0 is a big jump. and because I've kinda dropped the libsvn-java binary package temporarily, since it is broken |
| 04:46.32 | Arafangion | I'm on etch. :) |
| 04:46.55 | alakdan | anyone know how I can have a local mirror of http://download.tuxfamily.org/geubuntu/hardy/ |
| 04:47.04 | enouf | extra points for dropping java crap :-) |
| 04:47.33 | peterS | enouf: well I want to put it back in, but it won't build with debian's java compilers. upstream uses Sun Java, of course. I asked them about my problems and they're like "gcj?!? you've got to be kidding" |
| 04:47.35 | alakdan | using debmirror wont work (or at least I can not make it work) |
| 04:47.53 | peterS | wtf is geubuntu? |
| 04:48.47 | Guerin | peterS has returned! |
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| 04:48.53 | enouf | peterS: aye .. i just like to promote public congrats to people who make/dev/fix things ;-) |
| 04:49.06 | peterS | Guerin: I've been popping in now and then over the past couple days, yeah |
| 04:49.17 | peterS | enouf: heh |
| 04:49.37 | peterS | is geubuntu pronounced like 'jewbuntu'? |
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| 04:49.42 | Guerin | peterS: did you get a job/girlfriend/life/chronic illness or what? |
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| 04:49.45 | enouf | yeah, you've been here and there very sporadically and less often |
| 04:50.07 | peterS | Guerin: job, gf. the job takes more time. |
| 04:50.38 | Guerin | and if I recall your perspective on jobs, the gf is more rewarding |
| 04:51.15 | peterS | well, I'm not opposed to money. fortunately the job provides more than the gf expenditures use |
| 04:51.30 | Guerin | that's its point, I guess |
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| 04:51.55 | siimo | hi i am running debian testing / xfce and after using the machine for some time.. the keyboard randomly degrades.. ie. some of the keyboard shortcuts work as if all my ctrl alt etc keys have become sticky or don't work at all and some keys stop working like the num lock light will not go off.. only restarting X fixes it.. any idea why? it is totally random, sometimes after half an hour sometimes wont happen for a day or so |
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| 04:52.29 | Arafangion | peterS: With sun's latest push for an free Java, you're probably running into some political blockages. :( |
| 04:53.05 | peterS | Arafangion: Sun promised free java in May 2006. I was present at one of the conferences where they talked about it. Therefore, I will believe it when I see it. |
| 04:54.04 | Arafangion | peterS: Lastest I heard was that there is now an entirely free java, but only from the perspective of Sun and the more lenient distros. |
| 04:54.17 | peterS | Arafangion: anyway, the guys who said "gcj, wtf" had good reason - it has a reputation for extreme flakiness. I don't know if the reputation is still deserved today. anyway, debian's default java compiler is ecj (the Eclipse java compiler) but gcj is used for some auxiliary functions like the 'javah' program. |
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| 04:54.44 | peterS | and it is 'javah' that causes my immediate problems with libsvn-java. |
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| 04:55.20 | Arafangion | peterS: Fair enough. |
| 04:56.10 | Arafangion | Damn, I really should stop doing sysadmin (on my personal laptop) when tired. |
| 04:56.57 | Arafangion | cleans up the mess resulting from a forgotten --prefix |
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| 04:57.43 | \amethyst | Arafangion: AFAIK IcedTea is entirely GPL |
| 04:57.51 | adu | debian rocks |
| 04:58.06 | \amethyst | Arafangion: haven't tried it yet, though |
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| 04:59.04 | Arafangion | \amethyst: I don't think GPL /libraries/ are a very good solution where the majority of java packages are going to be commercial. |
| 04:59.29 | \amethyst | Arafangion: there is a linking exception |
| 04:59.34 | adu | Java |
| 05:00.26 | Arafangion | \amethyst: That's good then, but then why not use LGPL? |
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| 05:02.22 | \amethyst | Arafangion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception#The_Differences_with_the_GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License |
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| 05:04.51 | Arafangion | \amethyst: Fair enough. |
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| 05:09.17 | enouf | [while some very knowledgeable people are about] I found this Doc http://www.nacad.ufrj.br/sgi/007-4639-008/sgi_html/ch05.html#Z1188412424tls concerning the use of Taskset (CPU affinity and such) and then scrolled down, found use of "profile.pl" searched debain, nada - then finally realized i'm reading a doc meant for "SGI Altix 3000 and Altix 4000 families of servers and superclusters running the Linux operating system." |
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| 05:09.45 | tuxhelper | hello yoohoo's |
| 05:09.59 | enouf | Q. anyway to somehow pull those utils/usages into Debian? |
| 05:10.15 | tuxhelper | any of you ever take mp3 + png to form a static flv ? |
| 05:10.57 | enouf | (or is that just a separate ARCH? .. hrm) |
| 05:11.29 | enouf | (well, IRIX, is a unix, not an arch through Debian?) .. man i sucl |
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| 05:12.59 | CodeBlock | http://packages.debian.org/ <-- that site down or something? I can't access it :( |
| 05:13.02 | enouf | tuxhelper: i don't know if any of this crap will help you find something http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/index.html |
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| 05:13.46 | enouf | CodeBlock: yeah .. |
| 05:14.21 | CodeBlock | enouf: D: whats up with it? someone trip on it's server cord? |
| 05:14.23 | Arafangion | Even the google cache for that site seems to be down. |
| 05:14.25 | tuxhelper | ty enouf will take a lookC |
| 05:14.25 | enouf | seems some DNS issues, as we can ping it |
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| 05:15.59 | dustybin | what are the differences between using hardware RAID and software RAID on linux? |
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| 05:16.44 | enouf | tuxhelper: but IINM there's some kind of mplayer/mencoder related mjpegtools or somecrap that i think helps make a movie out of static frames/pics |
| 05:18.41 | cvn | hi i've a .deb file, where shld i put it at in order to install it? |
| 05:19.06 | enouf | dustybin: complete loss of array if hardware controller goes tits up? Well, possible corruption of data if controller goes and possible loss of array and controller if disks go - not to mention $$$ for new controller (if even still avail) + power outage issues if no UPS |
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| 05:19.16 | htmlol | it doesn't matter where you put it. just do "dpkg -i whatever.deb" to install it. |
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| 05:19.56 | enouf | use /path/to/whatever.deb ;-) |
| 05:20.02 | dustybin | enouf: are you trying to say that software RAID on linux is better and safer? |
| 05:20.09 | enouf | yep :-P |
| 05:20.19 | cvn | thanks |
| 05:20.41 | enouf | dustybin: depending .. naturally on env, cost factors, etc |
| 05:21.09 | enouf | dustybin: i mean, if you're a BIG comp and have deep pockets ;-) |
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| 05:32.05 | kingsley | Is it just me, or has anyone noticed evidence that the debian distribution of linux is falling out of favor? |
| 05:32.41 | enouf | US CongressCritters pass Extension on FISA Surveillance Act .. w000h00 |
| 05:32.43 | Guerin | classic advocacy troll |
| 05:33.05 | enouf | Guerin: heh, that works for my comment as well :-p |
| 05:33.11 | kingsley | For example, in the last few months I've encountered two serious bugs. ssh was insecure, and now I see that rdiff-backup isn't working. |
| 05:33.25 | Guerin | kingsley: non sequitur |
| 05:34.06 | kingsley | It seems to me that if developers still favored debian, it wouldn't be so buggy. |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | kingsley: you asked if anyone had noticed evidence that it was falling out of favour, not that it was worse than it once was. |
| 05:34.15 | Guerin | that doesn't follow |
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| 05:35.34 | kingsley | I also see less chatting on #debian, which seems to me to be yet another indication that debian is falling out of favor. |
| 05:35.58 | Guerin | you consider these things `evidence'? |
| 05:36.14 | enouf | they all must be / . ing :-P |
| 05:36.47 | ryty | kingsley: no, they're just fixing all of the bugs ;-) |
| 05:37.42 | Arafangion | kingsley: I see less chatting in general, not just #debian. |
| 05:37.56 | kingsley | Arafangion: That's interesting. |
| 05:37.56 | foutrelis | kingsley, I like pancakes .-. |
| 05:38.17 | kingsley | Arafangion: Which channels have had less chatting? linux related? |
| 05:38.23 | Guerin | foutrelis: that's a clear sign that the popularity of pancakes is oin the rise! |
| 05:38.24 | enouf | it's a good thing, as summer in northern hemi usually brings children and their ignorant ways |
| 05:38.41 | foutrelis | Guerin, you sir, are probably correct! |
| 05:38.58 | Arafangion | kingsley: Strictly speaking, #debian's the only linux channel I visit, and all the others are vaguely related in that their software happens to work on linux. |
| 05:39.05 | craigevil | mmmmmm pancakes |
| 05:39.06 | Guerin | buys and IHOP franchise and prepares to retire to the Andaman Islands |
| 05:39.10 | KeyeserSoze | Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. |
| 05:39.14 | enouf | foutrelis: you too? French Toast w/Eggs over easy + sides of bacon and sausage :-p |
| 05:39.29 | kingsley | Arafangion: Perhaps open source is losing its luster. |
| 05:39.32 | Arafangion | Bah, REAL men have poached eggs. |
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| 05:39.40 | KeyeserSoze | shouldn't it be Debian TM GNU/Linux ? |
| 05:39.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:39.47 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:39.48 | enouf | you boiling ninny :p |
| 05:39.55 | KeyeserSoze | no seriously |
| 05:39.58 | KeyeserSoze | think about it... |
| 05:40.18 | Arafangion | kingsley: Perhaps. Also I see no discussions involving mobile phones, so perhaps mobile phones have entirely fallen out of public favour. |
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| 05:41.06 | kingsley | Arafangion: Yes, but #debian used to have much more traffic. |
| 05:41.19 | Guerin | so follow this line of thinking: debian has had a couple of major bugs recently, #debian seems quieter, and a guy on #debian says other free software channels are quieter, therefore debian is falling out of favour and open source is losing its lustre |
| 05:41.29 | foutrelis | kingsley, 806 people aren't enough for you? |
| 05:41.36 | enouf | maybe they all migrated to DALnet O_o |
| 05:41.53 | enouf | 819 (if you include the bots) :-p |
| 05:41.57 | Guerin | this, my dear people, is a hypothesis based on nothing, and what does one call a hypothesis based on nothing? |
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| 05:42.12 | enouf | (oh wait, limit, my bad) |
| 05:42.15 | wols_ | bullshit? |
| 05:42.19 | Guerin | !guess |
| 05:42.20 | dpkg | i guess guess is an hypothesis based on nothing |
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| 05:43.13 | Guerin | debian may well be falling out of favour (presuming it ever was in favour, and with whom?) and open source might well be losing its lustre (presuming it had any), but this is no sort of meaningful way to find out |
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| 05:43.42 | enouf | foutrelis: wow, i just ate, and now you've gone and made me all hungry for a huge breakfast at night .. bastage |
| 05:43.59 | saucerful | hello |
| 05:44.11 | KeyeserSoze | what the shit are you on about man |
| 05:44.15 | saucerful | does anyone know how to find out which process is listening on a specific port |
| 05:44.23 | enouf | netstat -tunap ? |
| 05:44.26 | saucerful | i used netstat to see which ports are being listened on |
| 05:44.28 | wols_ | Guerin: when I look at all the recent GPL lawsuits by the SFC I'm more convinced it gains momentum |
| 05:44.41 | enouf | also as root ; lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
| 05:44.49 | wols_ | saucerful: netstat -anp |grep port |
| 05:44.54 | foutrelis | offers enouf some cookies |
| 05:45.00 | wols_ | saucerful: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 05:45.03 | enouf | no no no , .. pancackes! |
| 05:45.08 | saucerful | great thanks! |
| 05:45.10 | Arafangion | Which package contains wx-config? |
| 05:45.16 | foutrelis | pancakes are mine, sorry |
| 05:45.19 | wols_ | !tell Arafangion about search |
| 05:45.40 | craigevil | yep that clinches it , maybe thats why the eeepc and other umpc are all selling so well with linux on them and why over 50% of distros are debian based |
| 05:45.40 | enouf | replaces foutrelis pancakes with some sour dough bread :-p |
| 05:45.55 | Arafangion | wols_: Doesn't that only work for installed packages? |
| 05:46.05 | wols_ | littlekiss: read |
| 05:46.05 | enouf | apt-file --- read |
| 05:46.08 | Guerin | oh wait - I have another bit of data: I'm currently building an openbsd kernel instead of a linux kernel, so BSD has officially risen from the grave and is displacing gnu/linux! |
| 05:46.32 | streuner | haleluja |
| 05:46.33 | enouf | wols_: haha, your tab completion was not even close :-;p |
| 05:46.38 | wols_ | the world has gone to shits if it's openBSD that replaces debian :P |
| 05:46.39 | Guerin | is about halfway to a MBA with all this `research' |
| 05:46.50 | foutrelis | enouf, I'm supposed to be on a diet, so thanks :o |
| 05:46.59 | wols_ | enouf: I need more sleep obviously |
| 05:47.03 | Arafangion | Guerin: Doesn't it have to break out of the lead-lined coffin it built for itself? |
| 05:47.26 | streuner | Guerin: what did you smoke today? |
| 05:47.27 | Guerin | Arafangion: Theo snuck a can opener in for this very purpose. |
| 05:47.33 | wols_ | Guerin: or finished with a degree in politics :P oh wait... |
| 05:47.38 | Arafangion | Guerin: He's an amazing dude. :) |
| 05:47.38 | Guerin | streuner: nothing yet, give me time. |
| 05:47.38 | KeyeserSoze | crack |
| 05:47.39 | enouf | huge Breakfast + Sleep .. the life of Champions \o/ |
| 05:47.44 | KeyeserSoze | he been smokin crack |
| 05:48.15 | Guerin | streuner: please don't make me explain the joke |
| 05:48.30 | streuner | nm then |
| 05:48.43 | KeyeserSoze | but what about a Debian (tm) GNU\Linux |
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| 05:48.51 | KeyeserSoze | Debian is a trademark |
| 05:48.53 | KeyeserSoze | no? |
| 05:48.55 | wols_ | no |
| 05:49.02 | KeyeserSoze | why not? |
| 05:49.16 | Guerin | KeyeserSoze: it is, but it needn't be appended with (TM) to be enforceable. |
| 05:49.26 | KeyeserSoze | http://www.debian.org/trademark |
| 05:49.31 | KeyeserSoze | wols_, get your facts straight. |
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| 05:49.47 | Toad | hey all.. just built a new machine and trying to install lenny |
| 05:50.15 | Toad | I booted off a minimal ISO burnt to a CD, and it boots up fine, but then says it can't find the CD ROM drive |
| 05:50.19 | wols_ | KeyeserSoze: do you have a debian support question? |
| 05:50.31 | KeyeserSoze | wols_, yeh thats what I thought. |
| 05:50.39 | wols_ | Toad: kernel and controller of the optical drive? |
| 05:50.54 | Toad | any thoughts? kernel is whatever's on the beta installer ISO downloaded earlier this week |
| 05:51.01 | Guerin | wols_: try installing etch. The lenny installer is flakey. |
| 05:51.02 | Toad | optical drive is a Pioneer DVD-RW |
| 05:51.08 | Toad | (IDE) |
| 05:51.09 | owen1 | i try to install skype and get this: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 05:51.13 | wols_ | use etch or a kmuto installer or etchnhalf installer |
| 05:51.22 | enouf | Toad: try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" |
| 05:51.23 | wols_ | Toad: that doesn't answer my question |
| 05:51.25 | Guerin | Toad: the huge flashing neon sign alerting you to why it doesn't work is the word `beta' |
| 05:51.31 | craigevil | owen1: thats fine |
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| 05:51.42 | owen1 | craigevil: ok. |
| 05:51.44 | Toad | Guerin: yea, I've been using etch for a long time, figured I'd try lenny |
| 05:52.02 | wols_ | Toad: but the only way to install debian is the stable release and to upgrade |
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| 05:52.07 | Guerin | Toad: install etch and upgrade. It's not lenny that's bust, it's the installer. |
| 05:52.12 | Toad | gotcha |
| 05:52.24 | Toad | damn, now I gotta go download and burn that iso |
| 05:52.37 | Guerin | try what enouf said |
| 05:52.40 | Guerin | it might work |
| 05:52.47 | wols_ | Toad: unless you tell us the controllre you will likely be disappointed with the etch installer |
| 05:53.26 | KeyeserSoze | man |
| 05:53.29 | KeyeserSoze | its almost 2 am |
| 05:53.33 | owen1 | is there a text version of skype? |
| 05:53.39 | KeyeserSoze | Guerin, so what you been upto |
| 05:53.39 | wols_ | owen1: ask skype |
| 05:53.51 | KeyeserSoze | owen1, skype is not supported on debian |
| 05:53.59 | enouf | (you could also replace install with installgui, expert, expertgui .. whichever) |
| 05:54.01 | KeyeserSoze | but you can try to run it |
| 05:54.08 | foutrelis | Toad, do you have a CD drive on the same machine? .-. |
| 05:54.16 | owen1 | KeyeserSoze: wols_ got it |
| 05:54.18 | Toad | wols_: the CD drive is a Pioneer DVR-115DBK |
| 05:54.20 | KeyeserSoze | maybe someone else here knows but not many people here use skype I think |
| 05:54.22 | saucerful | anyone using azureus? there seems to be an issue: it uses port 6880 for internal communication and so when you run it, if something is listneing on port 6880 it doesnt start up but sends it the parameters. |
| 05:54.31 | saucerful | the problem is that dbus is listening on that port already |
| 05:54.31 | wols_ | Toad: the cd drive is not a controller. |
| 05:54.36 | saucerful | so i cant start azureus |
| 05:54.40 | KeyeserSoze | saucerful, so change the port in az |
| 05:54.40 | Toad | wols_: on the mobo? |
| 05:54.40 | wols_ | Toad: the ide controller this cd drive hangs on |
| 05:54.45 | Toad | lemme figure that out |
| 05:54.48 | saucerful | yeah, i cant find the config option for that |
| 05:54.50 | Toad | is not a hardware guy (clearly) |
| 05:54.56 | saucerful | it doesnt seem to be in the launch script |
| 05:54.56 | wols_ | use lspci |
| 05:54.57 | Guerin | KeyeserSoze: i've been preppin' my obsd box for a raid array |
| 05:55.00 | KeyeserSoze | saucerful, must be a config file in ~/.azuerus or something |
| 05:55.07 | KeyeserSoze | Guerin, word |
| 05:55.19 | saucerful | KeyeserSoze: since i havent run it successfully yet, no such file exists |
| 05:55.35 | KeyeserSoze | saucerful, you can also try #azeurus to try and find out how to change that |
| 05:55.42 | KeyeserSoze | and you shouldn't be using az anyway |
| 05:55.49 | saucerful | why not? |
| 05:55.52 | Guerin | azureus is NOFP |
| 05:55.53 | wols_ | saucerful: stop dbus temporarily, start azureus, change port, restart dbus? |
| 05:56.01 | Guerin | it's a horrible hateful thing |
| 05:56.11 | KeyeserSoze | if you need a tracker use a tracker software, if you need a client, use a good client like rtorrent or deluge (graphical) |
| 05:56.23 | KeyeserSoze | az is java bloatware |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | rtorrent remains the maximum win |
| 05:56.44 | Toad | wols_: that requires getting a shell, which I can't determine how to do |
| 05:56.54 | foutrelis | transmission does a great job as a bt client too :) |
| 05:56.55 | wols_ | Toad: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 05:57.02 | Toad | ah, didn't realize this was just a vterm |
| 05:57.08 | enouf | there's a dbus-X11 something too |
| 05:57.22 | Toad | Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) |
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| 05:57.34 | enouf | yeah, etch no bueno |
| 05:57.35 | Toad | ah, wait, that's the SATA |
| 05:57.47 | Toad | Marvell Technology Group 88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface |
| 05:57.50 | Guerin | if the board is ich9, you need etch++ |
| 05:57.50 | wols_ | Toad: that's not your IDE controller. you use a JMicron POS Ide controller most likely. |
| 05:57.53 | Toad | that's what the DVD is hooked up to |
| 05:58.05 | enouf | well also tweak your BIOS IDE settings .. and use EtchnHalf |
| 05:58.11 | enouf | or kmuto |
| 05:58.16 | Nyle | etchnhalf |
| 05:58.17 | wols_ | whhich eans the "normal" etch installer with kernel 2.6.18 probably doesn't work. kmuto or etchnhalf should work however |
| 05:58.26 | Toad | enouf: where do I find an etchnhalf iso? |
| 05:58.30 | Guerin | !etchnhalf |
| 05:58.30 | dpkg | it has been said that etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 05:58.33 | Toad | thx |
| 05:58.37 | wols_ | Toad: your ICH9 has no IDE port so no it's not hooked up to it |
| 05:58.39 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 05:58.39 | dpkg | Guerin: :) |
| 05:58.51 | Nyle | ich9 has no pata support? |
| 05:58.56 | Toad | wols_: I definitely plugged in a PATA cable |
| 05:59.02 | Toad | just built this box about 15 minutes ago |
| 05:59.03 | enouf | nope ... or was that 8 ? |
| 05:59.11 | enouf | that's on Marvell |
| 05:59.12 | wols_ | Toad: an no current intel chipset has pata support for a few years now |
| 05:59.12 | Nyle | ich8.(r) |
| 05:59.23 | Nyle | intel dropped it |
| 05:59.31 | wols_ | all boardmakers use a JMicron POS |
| 05:59.41 | Guerin | still owns no SATA kit at all |
| 05:59.43 | enouf | right ,, or Sil |
| 05:59.43 | Nyle | has a jmb 363 |
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| 06:00.39 | Toad | alright... what am I missing? I bought an IDE DVD drive and I plugged it in to my motherboard, and you're telling me my motherboard doesn't support IDE |
| 06:00.51 | wols_ | no, I said ICH9 doesn't support IUDE |
| 06:00.51 | Nyle | Toad, it does |
| 06:00.52 | wols_ | IDE |
| 06:00.52 | Toad | and yet I'm booting off this supposedly IDE DVD drive |
| 06:00.55 | enouf | wols_: wait, which kernel does the Testing installer have? |
| 06:00.59 | Nyle | your chipset does not |
| 06:01.10 | wols_ | enouf: probably 2.6.24 but testing installers are often screwy |
| 06:01.12 | enouf | Toad: try what i first mentioned |
| 06:01.12 | Toad | Nyle: can you explain what you mean by chipset then? |
| 06:01.14 | Nyle | you have a 3rd party (non intel/non motherboard) pata controller |
| 06:01.19 | enouf | wols_: righto |
| 06:01.27 | wols_ | Toad: there is more than one chip on your mobo |
| 06:01.37 | Nyle | chipset == memory hub and periphiral conroller north/south bridges |
| 06:01.38 | Toad | wols_: gotcha |
| 06:01.54 | Nyle | ij' |
| 06:01.55 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:02.13 | Nyle | basically to make a long story short, the driver for your pata controller is not in etch. |
| 06:02.16 | Nyle | period. |
| 06:02.36 | Toad | so the "Preview installer image" from etchnhalf is my best bet? |
| 06:02.43 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 06:02.47 | Toad | k |
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| 06:02.50 | Nyle | or debian lenny |
| 06:03.04 | wols_ | Toad: or kmuto |
| 06:03.04 | Toad | Nyle: but I'm using a lenny beta installer iso right now |
| 06:03.12 | Toad | and it doesn't seem to see the drive |
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| 06:03.19 | Toad | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 06:03.20 | wols_ | personally I'd use kmuto (see "the not for beta testing yet" in the factoid) |
| 06:03.23 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 06:03.23 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 06:03.40 | Nyle | Toad, you need to try the daily installer build |
| 06:03.41 | wols_ | as guerin told you: testing installers are always screwy |
| 06:03.50 | owen1 | i added the backports repository and installed the package i was looking for. is it best practice to comment the line from sources.list? what happend if i don't? |
| 06:03.59 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 06:04.05 | wols_ | owen1: read the backports instructions gain |
| 06:04.07 | wols_ | *agan |
| 06:04.13 | Toad | wols_: which kmuto? the 2.6.25 one? |
| 06:04.28 | wols_ | Toad: whichever you want |
| 06:04.39 | Nyle | which kernel will lenny include? |
| 06:04.53 | streuner | Nyle: the one which is used by d-i |
| 06:04.59 | Nyle | .24 then |
| 06:05.03 | owen1 | wols_: ok |
| 06:05.06 | wols_ | no. lenny isn't frozen yet |
| 06:05.11 | streuner | hm, that's the question, remember etch... |
| 06:05.16 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:05.20 | Nyle | last minute |
| 06:05.25 | streuner | wols_: no |
| 06:05.26 | wols_ | and with etchnhalf not even out and so close to the intended lenny release, it just doesn't make much sense |
| 06:05.30 | Toad | ok, so if I download this kmuto 2.6.25 installer iso, burn that, and boot, I should be reasonably well off? |
| 06:05.37 | streuner | wols_: lenny is frozen |
| 06:05.40 | enouf | Toad: "install acpi=off generi.all_generic_ide=1" |
| 06:05.41 | Nyle | Toad, try it |
| 06:05.50 | wols_ | streuner: when did that happen? |
| 06:05.50 | simonrvn | since when? |
| 06:05.51 | streuner | wols_: basic packages |
| 06:06.01 | Toad | enouf: you're talking on the lenny image I've got booted? or once I get the kmuto burnt and booted? |
| 06:06.03 | Nyle | man Ifucking love skittles |
| 06:06.05 | enouf | Toad: "Diego" has your Marvell Controller http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm |
| 06:06.10 | Nyle | eats a yellow skittle |
| 06:06.19 | enouf | Toad: try both ;-) |
| 06:06.32 | streuner | simonrvn, wols: sorry, essential i meant |
| 06:06.33 | simonrvn | too sweet, and taste artificial |
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| 06:06.43 | Nyle | man I'm addicted to these things |
| 06:06.53 | Nyle | its like crack to me |
| 06:06.54 | enouf | Toad: might also want to toy with your BIOS IDE Config settings |
| 06:06.57 | owen1 | "All backports are deactivated by default" - does it mean that i will not get any updates by adding the backports line in sources.list ? |
| 06:07.02 | Toad | enouf: couldn't find any that looked releveant |
| 06:07.05 | craigevil | Now and Laters :) |
| 06:07.09 | simonrvn | i'm addicted to air |
| 06:07.17 | Nyle | fresh air |
| 06:07.17 | Toad | enouf: is that "install" command line to be used at the boot prompt? |
| 06:07.19 | Toad | (kernel options?) |
| 06:07.21 | simonrvn | i can't live without it |
| 06:07.21 | enouf | Toad: i prefer you do NOT use acpi=off though |
| 06:07.23 | Nyle | I live in nyc, there is no fresh air here |
| 06:07.45 | Nyle | nothing but noise/air pollution |
| 06:07.59 | enouf | Toad: cou;dn't find AHCI, Compatibilty mode, Native mode ? |
| 06:08.02 | wols_ | owen1: backports have no updates |
| 06:08.07 | enouf | Raid mode? |
| 06:08.11 | Nyle | RAID! |
| 06:08.22 | Nyle | Raid is cockroach killer, RAID is comptuer stuff |
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| 06:08.26 | enouf | Nyle: come North ;-) |
| 06:08.36 | Nyle | blame canada |
| 06:08.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:08.48 | wols_ | streuner: I just don't get etchnhalf release vs lenny release. the way it's going etchnhalf will be out later than lenny! |
| 06:08.55 | enouf | Nyle: above Van Cortlandt park the Temp drops 5-10 F |
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| 06:09.01 | simonrvn | i blame greedy bastards |
| 06:09.05 | Toad | trying the acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1, but it says it ignored that option |
| 06:09.07 | Nyle | yeh stay there |
| 06:09.15 | Toad | (the latter, that is) |
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| 06:09.19 | Nyle | simonrvn, no southpark song (I'm not serious of course) |
| 06:09.21 | enouf | Toad: install + options |
| 06:09.24 | streuner | wols_: ask fjp |
| 06:09.33 | enouf | Toad: and leave off acpi=off at first |
| 06:09.33 | wols_ | fjp is who? |
| 06:09.35 | simonrvn | like i care about a corporation |
| 06:09.44 | Toad | enouf: I got to the boot: prompt, did install acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 06:09.50 | Nyle | corporation? |
| 06:09.55 | Toad | and it said "unknown boot option: generic.all_generic_ide=1" or something to that effect |
| 06:09.55 | enouf | Toad: leave off acpi=off at first !!!! |
| 06:10.00 | enouf | gah |
| 06:10.04 | Toad | enouf: well it ignored the other one :P |
| 06:10.12 | Toad | so then it's equivalent to just "install" which we've established doesn't work |
| 06:10.13 | enouf | nm then :-) |
| 06:10.21 | streuner | wols_: Frans Pop, part of d-i Team |
| 06:10.22 | enouf | it would work ith the Etch installer ;-P |
| 06:10.32 | Toad | and it appears to not even boot at all with acpi=off |
| 06:10.42 | Toad | well, I got 5 minutes remaining on this etch-custom-0530.iso |
| 06:10.45 | wols_ | streuner: and why him? |
| 06:10.46 | enouf | is hungry ... thanks to foutrelis |
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| 06:11.02 | Nyle | eat wols_ |
| 06:11.11 | enouf | Toad: you really don't want acpi=off that's mostly a craptop workariound anyways |
| 06:11.30 | streuner | wols_: you annoy me yesterday, not today |
| 06:11.30 | Toad | enouf: *nod* I wouldn't run my kernel with that in general |
| 06:11.31 | enouf | Toad: not too good to use for install, as SMP might go undetected |
| 06:11.38 | Toad | but if it gets the installer to work, cool by me |
| 06:11.45 | Toad | I can always install a new kernel that supports my hardware better later |
| 06:12.02 | enouf | so , only -486 kernel installed too |
| 06:12.02 | enouf | yep |
| 06:12.02 | wols_ | enouf: SMP is always undetected on install since it uses the 486 kernel there. that one has no SMP |
| 06:12.07 | Nyle | streuner, du hast |
| 06:12.08 | enouf | so why not start with kmuto or EtchnHalf? |
| 06:12.18 | Toad | waiting for that to download still |
| 06:12.36 | enouf | forget the Beta for now - although, tell #debian-boot@lists.debian.org about your issues ;-0 |
| 06:12.39 | enouf | gah |
| 06:12.46 | enouf | remove the # |
| 06:12.55 | enouf | so as to help new installer ;-) |
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| 06:13.08 | Nyle | you should just like ... shush |
| 06:13.12 | Nyle | or go to bed |
| 06:13.19 | enouf | wols_: ? ouch .. so, then that kernel is replcaed toot sweet? |
| 06:13.55 | Nyle | pokes enouf |
| 06:14.00 | enouf | wols_: i mean, or does a debian mantra need to be performed to get a -686 or better kernel? |
| 06:14.16 | enouf | Nyle: what!?! |
| 06:14.21 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:14.29 | Nyle | im bored |
| 06:14.38 | enouf | ok, let's eat ;-) |
| 06:14.43 | Nyle | wols? |
| 06:15.00 | Nyle | heh ahhhh boy its good to act goofy sometimes |
| 06:15.01 | enouf | sure .. with Maple Syrup :-O |
| 06:15.10 | Nyle | but now I'm tired and I think I'll try to go to sleep |
| 06:15.16 | enouf | the real vermont stuff though only |
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| 06:15.31 | enouf | Nyle: yeah, b00btube |
| 06:15.35 | Nyle | boredom is a disease worse than cancer |
| 06:15.41 | msshams | how can i know that which daemon starts a process? |
| 06:15.43 | msshams | how can i know that which daemon starts a process? |
| 06:15.47 | enouf | go fix debbugs! |
| 06:16.00 | Nyle | !bugs4exp |
| 06:16.03 | Nyle | no? |
| 06:16.05 | Nyle | damit |
| 06:16.38 | Nyle | g'night. |
| 06:16.41 | streuner | msshams: logs? |
| 06:16.46 | mimcpher | msshams, you can use "ps" with some options to find the parent of a process |
| 06:16.53 | peterrooney | msshams: harden-doc has an example script |
| 06:17.01 | Nyle | !ppid |
| 06:17.01 | dpkg | methinks ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 06:17.13 | wols_ | enouf: the installer supposedly installs a newer kernel but sometimes this doesn't happen, dunno why people miss it. |
| 06:17.27 | wols_ | or rathre a more suitable for the cpu kernel |
| 06:17.32 | msshams | mimcpher: i remember that a comman that named "*tree" tell me that which daemon starts process |
| 06:17.44 | wols_ | msshams: pstree |
| 06:17.44 | mimcpher | pstree |
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| 06:18.01 | msshams | wols_: ok thanks |
| 06:18.14 | peterrooney | msshams: it's called serviceaudit |
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| 06:18.54 | msshams | peterrooney: thank you my friend |
| 06:18.57 | Toad | ok, let's see how this kmuto image goes |
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| 06:19.40 | Toad | ok... kmuto isn't finding it either... I guess kmuto + those options maybe? |
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| 06:19.57 | wols_ | yes |
| 06:20.08 | wols_ | Toad: can you paste the lspci output? |
| 06:20.11 | g00se | streuner: did you try the BBC iPlayer with your gnash? e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/radio3/aod.shtml?radio3/jazzrecordrequests |
| 06:20.12 | wols_ | pastebin that is |
| 06:20.26 | Toad | wols_: can't pastebin from my non-booting computer :P |
| 06:20.42 | wols_ | cause there must be a marvell, jmicron or whatevre ide controller |
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| 06:21.02 | wols_ | Toad: what mobo is it? |
| 06:21.09 | Toad | suppose I can probably ifconfig my eth0 up and get the lspci to you that way |
| 06:21.17 | Toad | asus p5k pro |
| 06:21.19 | streuner | no, i tried the version of unstable, but its unable to play (some) movies in youtube |
| 06:21.27 | peterrooney | arg, didn't have time to tell msshams it was in the appendix |
| 06:21.28 | wols_ | Toad: that should be well supported |
| 06:21.39 | streuner | so i give experiemental version of gnash a try... |
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| 06:23.05 | g00se | streuner: etch-backport gnash certainly can't handle it |
| 06:23.19 | streuner | sure, based on unstable version |
| 06:23.19 | Toad | ok, the all_generic_ide option didn't do anything with acpi... trying with acpi off now |
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| 06:23.44 | g00se | streuner: there again, neither could flashplugin-nonfree when i had it |
| 06:23.46 | streuner | they both are 0.8.2, IIRC |
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| 06:24.18 | streuner | well, some version of flash isn't in Linux at all |
| 06:24.40 | Toad | wols_: no luck with kmuto either, even with those options |
| 06:24.42 | enouf | wols_: ahh yes, the search of 'linux-image' in /var/log/installer/syslog shows that ;-) |
| 06:24.59 | g00se | streuner: true. There's a hoo-hah about linux support in BBC iPlayer |
| 06:25.12 | streuner | g00se: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Shockwave |
| 06:25.21 | wols_ | Toad: checking what linux kernel your marvell controller needs |
| 06:25.30 | enouf | Toad: with amd64 the boot options that work might be different, like pci=irqpoll or pci=routeirq, or pci=nommconf |
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| 06:26.08 | Toad | enouf: hrmm |
| 06:26.14 | enouf | Toad: i'm telling you though, your BIOS settings could muck all this up the most (not to mention a buggy ACPI DSDT) |
| 06:26.27 | Toad | I can't find any BIOS settings about ahci compat or anything |
| 06:26.31 | mimcpher | I don't suppose there's some way to set like a timer that'll wake my laptop up out of suspend? |
| 06:26.39 | enouf | what is that? a Dell ? |
| 06:26.48 | enouf | or compaq or emachines? |
| 06:27.11 | g00se | streuner: The BBC *does* use .swf files and there was i thinking those are Flash too... |
| 06:27.12 | enouf | mimcpher: acpi-support / scripts |
| 06:27.13 | wols_ | Toad: native. but linux will work in both settings |
| 06:27.31 | Toad | wols_: can't find any option at all |
| 06:27.37 | enouf | g00se: the BBC, IIRC is using ssome other funky proprietary system |
| 06:27.47 | wols_ | Toad: what options are there for your marvell controller? and there should be |
| 06:27.55 | streuner | wols_: hm, yes, but flash isn't flash... |
| 06:28.14 | enouf | something to determine if you are in the UK or not or somecrap that can easily be worked around |
| 06:28.17 | streuner | ehm, g00se ^^^ |
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| 06:28.28 | streuner | g00se: hm, yes, but flash isn't flash... |
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| 06:28.36 | enouf | g00se: mplayer will play flv files fine, not swf though |
| 06:28.47 | Toad | wols_: "Enabled" and "Disabled" |
| 06:28.58 | Toad | under Advanced -> Onboard Device Configuration -> Marvell IDE Controller |
| 06:29.00 | Toad | that's all I got |
| 06:29.11 | g00se | enouf: it |
| 06:29.20 | enouf | step up to Onboard Device Config |
| 06:29.34 | g00se | enouf: it's complicated. There's streaming and the 'player' |
| 06:29.36 | Toad | enouf: that's just an option inside Onboard Device Config |
| 06:29.36 | enouf | and see if the SATA Config offers AHCI, Compat / NAtive |
| 06:29.43 | enouf | Combo / RAID |
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| 06:30.10 | enouf | g00se: i know - screw it :-P -- try #mplayer |
| 06:30.13 | g00se | enouf: and it's all a PITA |
| 06:30.39 | Toad | enouf: ah, I have SATA Configuration -> Disabled, Compat, or Enhanced |
| 06:30.42 | Toad | should I go to Compat? |
| 06:30.44 | streuner | youtube-dl just save youtube files into flv files |
| 06:30.46 | enouf | g00se: no kidding, yet Kiddies all love their YouB00b FlashCrapShit |
| 06:30.52 | Toad | (it's on Enhanced) |
| 06:31.00 | streuner | so it shouldn't be a problem to view them |
| 06:31.04 | enouf | Toad: hrm, try Compat |
| 06:31.20 | Toad | enouf: ther'es also an option, Configure SATA as: IDE / RAID / AHCI |
| 06:31.21 | enouf | Toad: tep, that should do it |
| 06:31.23 | Toad | IDE selected |
| 06:31.27 | enouf | AHA~! |
| 06:31.42 | enouf | so, Enhanced + AHCI try that |
| 06:31.44 | enouf | 1st |
| 06:31.48 | Toad | hm ok |
| 06:31.56 | msshams | my crontab runs a bash script. that script runs a gzip and tar packages. that only gzip and tar process is in my pstree output. every time that i kill gzip process it runs again automatically from first script. how can i kill it for ever? |
| 06:31.58 | Toad | when I switch to AHCI the other option goes away |
| 06:32.06 | enouf | Toad: how many SATA Drives do tyou have there? |
| 06:32.09 | Toad | (no Enhanced/Compat/Disabled) |
| 06:32.10 | enouf | AHA! |
| 06:32.14 | enouf | yep |
| 06:32.21 | Toad | enouf: just a single SATA hard drive |
| 06:32.24 | enouf | AHCI handles it, and so will Libata |
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| 06:32.35 | Toad | possible I forgot to set a jumper on that if it was necessary |
| 06:32.35 | enouf | ok, try it |
| 06:32.38 | Toad | slave/master kind of stuff |
| 06:32.40 | enouf | omg |
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| 06:32.56 | Toad | but I figured if that were the issue it wouldn't boot off the CD in the first place |
| 06:32.56 | neuromancer | hi, all |
| 06:33.06 | enouf | Toad: right .. |
| 06:33.06 | neuromancer | is debian better of OpenSuse? |
| 06:33.14 | Toad | enouf: try with any specific kernel params? |
| 06:33.16 | ^shark_ | i am looking for a script to email my clients about their domain, email & webhosting expiration date |
| 06:33.18 | enouf | no |
| 06:33.19 | Toad | or just vanilla install? |
| 06:33.19 | Toad | k |
| 06:33.37 | Toad | enouf: thanks for helping, btw |
| 06:33.43 | enouf | no prob |
| 06:33.46 | Toad | I swear I am not a moron. I am just a moron at hardware ;-) |
| 06:33.54 | Toad | to think I once patched 2.2.16 :) |
| 06:34.07 | enouf | just get it working - and THEN report to mailing list what you mistakenly overlooked ;-) |
| 06:34.17 | Toad | enouf: heh... same result - No common CD ROM drive |
| 06:34.31 | enouf | ok, which is this? Lenny Beta? |
| 06:34.36 | Toad | nope, this is kmuto |
| 06:34.40 | enouf | ... |
| 06:34.48 | Toad | etch-custom-0530.iso |
| 06:34.59 | enouf | try the generic thing then |
| 06:35.00 | wols_ | enouf: the optical drive is not connected to the sata you made him jsut change |
| 06:35.12 | enouf | wols_: i know .. |
| 06:35.14 | wols_ | it's connected to the marvel cbip which you can only disable/enable |
| 06:35.19 | Toad | wols_: right.. I was wondering about that too, but I'm at wit's end |
| 06:35.20 | enouf | i know |
| 06:35.35 | wols_ | enouf: so how does AHCI for hdd change pata controllers? |
| 06:35.49 | enouf | the PATA Chip though needs to talk to the Main Board Chipset too |
| 06:35.59 | wols_ | Toad: does lspci show your marvell controller? it should show 2 entries from marvel. ethernet and ide |
| 06:36.03 | enouf | wols_: i'm working on it |
| 06:36.09 | enouf | got better idea? you try |
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| 06:36.19 | wols_ | enouf: just to the PCI bus. nothing to do with anything else |
| 06:36.21 | Toad | wols_: one sec, lemme try this option |
| 06:36.33 | enouf | atleast i got him to FIND finally those controls in the BIOS |
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| 06:36.49 | enouf | wols_: no, that's bull |
| 06:37.01 | Toad | enouf: I had found those controls before, they were just SATA and not PATA/IDE so I ignored them |
| 06:37.20 | Toad | yep, with those options, same deal |
| 06:37.25 | enouf | Toad: put SATA in COMPAT mode |
| 06:37.38 | Toad | Marvell Technology Group Unknown device 6101 (rev b2) |
| 06:37.42 | enouf | Toad: and if AHCI goes away, so be it |
| 06:37.43 | Toad | from lspci |
| 06:37.51 | wols_ | Toad: in BIOS advanced - onboard device configuration is where the marvell stuff is |
| 06:37.52 | enouf | update-pciids |
| 06:38.04 | Toad | enouf: haven't got that |
| 06:38.07 | wols_ | Toad: lspci -v |
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| 06:38.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.27 | enouf | so? |
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| 06:38.44 | Toad | lemme try that in a second - looking at lspci for wols_ right now |
| 06:39.01 | Toad | wols_: what do you want to know from lspci -v? can't pastebin it since I can't get the network on that comp |
| 06:39.12 | Toad | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc Unknown device 82e0 |
| 06:40.07 | Toad | it knows it's an IDE interface |
| 06:40.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | whoa. split :S |
| 06:40.07 | enouf | Toad: just tell me, are we still on kmuto image? |
| 06:40.07 | Toad | enouf: yes |
| 06:40.07 | enouf | ok |
| 06:40.07 | Toad | 2.6.25-2 |
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| 06:40.35 | Toad | I'll try the SATA Compat now I guess? |
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| 06:41.24 | enouf | well, the .24 or .23 was where Diego said acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1 worked for his marvell--> 11ab6101 Yes Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface pata_marvell v2.6.21 <-- worked finally, but who knows what his BIOS settings were |
| 06:41.40 | enouf | and IINM , it wasn't with amd64 arch |
| 06:41.53 | msshams | my crontab runs a bash script. that script runs a gzip and tar packages. that only gzip and tar process is in my pstree output. every time that i kill gzip process it runs again automatically from first script. how can i kill it for ever? |
| 06:42.29 | Toad | msshams: you might want to add "set -e" to your bash script |
| 06:42.33 | Toad | if I understand what you're saying |
| 06:42.44 | enouf | that pata_marvell is from libata |
| 06:43.04 | Toad | enouf: tried with Compatible mode on SATA, with the kernel options, still no go |
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| 06:43.13 | Toad | is it worth trying ubuntu? |
| 06:43.19 | msshams | Toad: you say: ./script.sh -e |
| 06:43.19 | msshams | ? |
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| 06:43.29 | enouf | Toad: you do have Marvell controller enabled, yes? |
| 06:43.30 | Toad | msshams: no, add "set -e" as the first command in your bash script |
| 06:43.40 | Toad | enouf: yes. I'm booting off a CD in this drive |
| 06:43.46 | msshams | Toad: can you please explain this option? |
| 06:44.00 | enouf | Toad: which of RAID / AHCI / IDE is SATA in ? |
| 06:44.01 | wols_ | Toad: does dmesg mention the marvell chip or anything about the cd/dvd? |
| 06:44.09 | Toad | msshams: can you ask your question again? I think I might be answering something different from what you asked |
| 06:44.48 | wols_ | msshams: why not kill the script itself or the tar process? |
| 06:44.58 | msshams | Toad: my crontab runs an script |
| 06:45.09 | msshams | Toad: this script runs a gzip process |
| 06:45.22 | msshams | Toad: only gzip process is in ps output |
| 06:45.30 | Toad | wols_: nope, not that I see |
| 06:45.34 | enouf | Toad: how many Marvell Ports are there? some Mobos won'y even allow booting from IDE (but the CD boots, so) .. bah or IDE1 .. instead of IDE0 |
| 06:45.45 | msshams | Toad: when i kill gzip process it starts automatically again from this script |
| 06:45.54 | msshams | Toad: how can i kill it for ever? |
| 06:45.59 | Toad | msshams: starts automatically again? |
| 06:46.01 | wols_ | msshams: kill the script |
| 06:46.06 | Toad | the same gzip job? or the next one in the script? |
| 06:46.26 | msshams | wols_: my script hasn't any pid |
| 06:46.39 | msshams | wols_: only gzip process is in ps output |
| 06:46.41 | wols_ | msshams: pastbin the script |
| 06:46.52 | Toad | enouf: just one PATA port |
| 06:47.03 | Toad | I think the cable coming off it might have had two plugs on it |
| 06:47.07 | Toad | but juts one port on the mobo |
| 06:47.09 | enouf | and ... <enouf> Toad: which of RAID / AHCI / IDE is SATA in ? |
| 06:47.18 | Toad | enouf: it's back in IDE now |
| 06:47.45 | wols_ | enouf: why would the setting for the SATA controller which is a different PCI device be important for the IDE controller? |
| 06:47.48 | enouf | yes, the PATA Parrallel IDE Cable has 3 connectors, 2 for drives , one to Mobo |
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| 06:48.06 | Toad | enouf: right. does it matter which of the two drive connectors I've used? |
| 06:48.30 | Toad | seems to me it doesn't, because linux isn't even associating that pci device with a driver |
| 06:48.30 | wols_ | Toad: only if you have cable select enabled on the DVD drive. if it's master, then no |
| 06:48.44 | Toad | I didn't change any jumpers on the drive |
| 06:48.53 | Toad | so whatever it shipped as... probably master |
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| 06:49.13 | msshams | wols_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21761/ |
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| 06:49.51 | wols_ | msshams: are you running ubuntu? |
| 06:50.09 | msshams | wols_: debian etch |
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| 06:50.22 | enouf | wols_: i don't know, but it does, ask all those whom get stuck at this phase ... or ask the BIOS and Mobo vendors ... but sure if there's no module being loaded for Marvell (or in kernel config) he's screwed |
| 06:50.29 | wols_ | Toad: do you have a /boot/config* file? if so. what is PATA_MARVELL set to |
| 06:50.49 | wols_ | msshams: uname -r |
| 06:51.02 | peterrooney | msshams: sorry, didn't have time to add earlier: the service audit script is in appendix A of harden-doc ( apt-get install harden-doc) |
| 06:51.07 | enouf | Toad: yes, connect drive to END Connector |
| 06:51.25 | enouf | Toad: set Jumpers to Master (MA) mode |
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| 06:51.38 | Toad | wols_: no /boot/config* |
| 06:52.01 | enouf | ttry zcat /proc/config.gz ? |
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| 06:52.11 | wols_ | enouf: thanks. didn't remember its name |
| 06:52.24 | Toad | =m |
| 06:52.27 | msshams | wols_: 2.6.24.3 |
| 06:52.31 | Toad | meaning it should be a module, no? |
| 06:52.33 | enouf | hrm, though must be enabled in kernel .ok then |
| 06:52.35 | enouf | yep |
| 06:53.01 | msshams | wols_: can you please tell me that why you want to have my kernel version? |
| 06:53.05 | Toad | should I compile the module, shove it on a USB key, and try to insmod it? |
| 06:53.12 | enouf | module support is there .. now grep -r pata_marvell /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 06:53.20 | wols_ | msshams: cause you were lying |
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| 06:53.42 | enouf | no, set the Drive and jumpers correctly as i mentioned |
| 06:53.43 | Toad | enouf: this is a lame version of grep |
| 06:53.52 | Toad | desn't do grep -r evidently |
| 06:53.55 | enouf | Toad: well .. use it :-P |
| 06:53.57 | enouf | wait |
| 06:54.02 | Toad | busybox grep |
| 06:54.19 | wols_ | Toad: modprobe pata_marvell then |
| 06:54.31 | Toad | grep marvell `find .` in that dir yields nothing though |
| 06:54.38 | Toad | already tried that a while ago, no go |
| 06:54.47 | wols_ | it should be in /lib/modules somewhere. if it's m there must be a file |
| 06:55.04 | Toad | wols_: only if they included it in the iso, no? |
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| 06:55.19 | wols_ | compiling it and not including doesn't make much sense, does it? |
| 06:55.21 | Toad | because trust me, that module is not there |
| 06:56.22 | enouf | module support is there .. now grep -r pata_marvell /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/<TAB><TAB> should be /kernel/drivers/ata/ though |
| 06:56.57 | wols_ | Toad: go to the dir enouf just said and look with ls |
| 06:57.02 | Toad | enouf: there is no grep -r in busybox, but grep pata_marvell `find /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/` did nothing |
| 06:57.06 | Toad | and that's equivalent |
| 06:57.13 | wols_ | Toad: use ls |
| 06:57.14 | enouf | wols_: you;re correct, it's there, unless there's a missing modules- pkg, but that's for other crap |
| 06:57.19 | wols_ | who knows how shitty find is |
| 06:57.40 | wols_ | after all it'S the same busybox binary as your grep |
| 06:57.50 | Toad | :P true. but in kernel/drivers/ata there is no pata_marvell |
| 06:57.51 | enouf | Toad: grep -i pata 1st |
| 06:58.05 | enouf | Toad: modprobe -l | grep pata |
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| 06:58.13 | Toad | enouf: none |
| 06:58.26 | Toad | just checked hardware - it's plugged into the end of the cable |
| 06:58.32 | enouf | Toad: modprobe -l | grep marvell? |
| 06:58.40 | Toad | none |
| 06:59.02 | enouf | Toad: modprobe -l | grep ANYTHING THAT POSSIBLY EXISTS !!! |
| 06:59.02 | enouf | just to see if modprobe is working even |
| 06:59.06 | wols_ | custom cd with custom kernel that has pata_marvell ? |
| 06:59.27 | Toad | wols_: could I just shohve pata_marvell.ko on a usb stick? |
| 06:59.31 | Toad | then insmod it? |
| 06:59.39 | enouf | Toad: ask in #debian-boot on oftc.net what's the dealio with that specific Marvell controller |
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| 06:59.57 | msshams | this line of crontab runs 4AM every day? 0 4 * * * /root/.sq |
| 07:00.01 | enouf | in the installers especially - try Lenny |
| 07:00.03 | enouf | Beta |
| 07:00.05 | wols_ | Toad: with the proper kernel version sure... |
| 07:00.07 | buu | -!java |
| 07:00.08 | buu | !java |
| 07:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 07:00.19 | wols_ | msshams: you run ubuntu |
| 07:00.19 | enouf | Toad: so we're still in Kmuto image? |
| 07:00.24 | wols_ | msshams: please go back to ubuntu |
| 07:00.26 | enouf | Toad: try the lenny beta |
| 07:00.34 | Toad | enouf: we're in kmuto, yea. but yea, I tried the lenny beta first |
| 07:00.39 | Toad | that's what I started with 2 hours ago :) |
| 07:00.48 | enouf | Toad: tyhat was WAY WAY bakc here though |
| 07:00.49 | wols_ | Toad: maybe check the lenny beta for the module? |
| 07:00.55 | msshams | wols_: im only use pastebin of ubuntu |
| 07:01.02 | msshams | wols_: can you understand it? |
| 07:01.09 | msshams | wols_: i use debian etch |
| 07:01.12 | wols_ | msshams: you use a ubuntu kernel |
| 07:01.24 | enouf | Toad: is CD Drive's jumpers set to MA/Master? or atleast CS/CableSelect? |
| 07:01.39 | craigevil | msshams: running kanotix? |
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| 07:02.07 | wols_ | msshams: 2.6.24.3 is no debian kernel but it fits well for a ubuntu one |
| 07:02.21 | Toad | enouf: I just unpacked this drive and I can't imagine the default is slave |
| 07:02.24 | enouf | Toad: wait, if no marvell.ko is around, nothing wll happen - nothing in dmesg , eh? dmesg | more and scroll since grep is minimal |
| 07:02.31 | msshams | wols_: i get this kernel(2.6.24.3) from our network repository. i don't know this is for debian or ubuntu. but is use etch. |
| 07:02.35 | msshams | craigevil:  i get this kernel(2.6.24.3) from our network repository. i don't know this is for debian or ubuntu. but is use etch. |
| 07:02.39 | enouf | Toad: i can't either .. but ya never know ;-) |
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| 07:02.56 | Toad | enouf: yea nothing in dmesg |
| 07:03.32 | enouf | Toad: dammit .. Airmail the flying piece of fucken crap ! :-P |
| 07:03.54 | Toad | enouf: ;-) I really should just try to do this off a usb stsick |
| 07:04.07 | enouf | Toad: or go buy a 25 $ SATA DVD DRive? ;-) |
| 07:04.12 | wols_ | Toad: any pata_marvel.ko anywhere? |
| 07:04.15 | Toad | enouf: another option |
| 07:04.21 | Toad | wols_: i'm looking int he debian installer now mounted on my laptop |
| 07:05.08 | wols_ | enouf: do you run a recent debian kernel? .20 or newer? if so do you have the pata_marvell.ko? |
| 07:05.12 | Toad | how do I expand an initrd image? |
| 07:05.24 | enouf | wols_: lemme check, and no sadly, i'm on .16 now :-p |
| 07:05.26 | wols_ | gzip |
| 07:05.28 | wols_ | !initrd |
| 07:05.28 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 07:05.36 | ^shark_ | does anybody know of a script that will send mail to my clients when their domain hosting date expires |
| 07:05.41 | enouf | wols_: but i have some 23 .24 .25 parts around :-p |
| 07:05.43 | wols_ | Toad: gzipped cpio archive or such |
| 07:05.45 | Toad | wols_: yea, but then I get some kind of cpio archive |
| 07:05.50 | Toad | and I can't for the life of me remember how to unpack cpio |
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| 07:06.03 | Caelum | you can mount -o loop it |
| 07:06.20 | wols_ | pcio --list |grep marvell :) |
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| 07:06.26 | wols_ | *cpio |
| 07:06.39 | Toad | wols_: nothin |
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| 07:06.57 | wols_ | :( |
| 07:07.02 | enouf | Toad: ask where i suggested |
| 07:07.03 | Toad | I think building this module myself is the best bet |
| 07:07.07 | Toad | yea, k |
| 07:07.11 | wols_ | 1custom cd |
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| 07:07.18 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 07:07.18 | dpkg | custom cd is probably So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 07:07.18 | enouf | wols_: i never built modules for those newer ones i have :-O |
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| 07:07.34 | wols_ | enouf: as I said: debian kernel. I have newer ones too but self compiled custom |
| 07:07.44 | enouf | wols_: was testing out my lean and mean kernel building avbilites |
| 07:08.11 | wols_ | and pdo is down |
| 07:08.25 | enouf | wols_: my .23 is from Debian source, but i never built many moduiles, .24 and .25-rc2 are vanilla |
| 07:08.50 | Toad | man, this looks like a *project* |
| 07:09.06 | wols_ | no debian source but "debian". as in premade debian kernel deb |
| 07:09.13 | wols_ | Toad: agreed :/ |
| 07:09.25 | wols_ | Toad: but definitely tell the debian-boot folks |
| 07:09.35 | Toad | yea I'm in there now on oftc |
| 07:09.38 | wols_ | what I don't get is that p5k pro is a rpetty common mobo |
| 07:09.58 | wols_ | and it's available for a year now. should have been fixed by now |
| 07:10.06 | Toad | yea this isn't bleeding edge hardware |
| 07:10.10 | Toad | just a $700 box off newegg |
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| 07:11.39 | wols_ | and the kernel bug page is prtty unresponsive too :( |
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| 07:14.51 | Cobi-Laptop | How would I go about installing debian on a system that currently has W2k, no CD, no floppy, and no wired network (it has wireless, but that is undetectable to goodbye-microsoft's installer)? |
| 07:15.43 | Caelum | usb cdrom/stick ? |
| 07:16.13 | Cobi-Laptop | Is there an image I can write to my usb stick? I have no usb cdrom. |
| 07:16.43 | foutrelis | Cobi-Laptop, does it support booting from usb? |
| 07:17.24 | Cobi-Laptop | Erm ... not sure. I do have grub on it, thanks to goodbye-microsoft's installer. |
| 07:18.58 | wols_ | !usb install |
| 07:18.58 | dpkg | usb install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 07:19.14 | wols_ | with grub you can do a hdmedia install IIRC |
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| 07:22.21 | Cobi-Laptop | !hdmedia install |
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| 07:26.34 | enouf | wols_: where the hell did the /fjp dir go? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 07:26.48 | enouf | !etchnhalf |
| 07:26.49 | dpkg | [etchnhalf] "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 07:26.50 | wols_ | no clue |
| 07:27.11 | enouf | the /unofficial there exists, but it's Sarge 3.1r6a stuff |
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| 07:28.02 | Zoup | Hi , vmstat shows 100% cpu waiting , no disk usage , any idea ? |
| 07:28.37 | enouf | wols_: many URLs are broken, even one's i follow from that wiki link, maybe a sertiious DDOS going on or something |
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| 07:32.57 | enouf | wols_: [about SATA and PATA relationship concerning BIOS settings and Chips] note; "The PATA port capability, also available via AHCI, is disabled until support is completed." http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=cd70c26617f4686355263be4533ce8030242740e |
| 07:34.43 | wols_ | enouf: no, it's not a kernel issue. it's a mobo/bios issue if anything. settings for a sata controller have nothing to do with settings for an ide controller |
| 07:35.03 | wols_ | ie I can change the settings for mine both independently (gigabyte P35DS3) in BIOS |
| 07:36.28 | Toad | enouf: any ideas on why the usb stick won't mount? |
| 07:36.36 | Toad | I'm just getting Invalid Argument |
| 07:36.52 | wols_ | what mount command? |
| 07:36.58 | Toad | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt |
| 07:37.07 | wols_ | not sdb. sdb1 |
| 07:37.14 | Toad | it's not partitioned |
| 07:37.21 | Toad | that same mount command works on my laptop |
| 07:37.30 | wols_ | dmesg |
| 07:37.38 | wols_ | is sdb recognized? |
| 07:37.42 | Toad | yea |
| 07:37.47 | Toad | some errors from FAT about charset |
| 07:37.51 | Toad | FAT: IO charset utf8 not found |
| 07:37.57 | enouf | wols_: if SATA controller is not in AHCI mode and pata_marvell support is through ahci.c then guess what? |
| 07:38.03 | Toad | utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesytems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
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| 07:38.11 | Toad | Unable to load NLS charset utf8 |
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| 07:39.16 | wols_ | doesn't explain why setting sata things in bios would affect the ide controller. two different pci devices |
| 07:39.21 | Toad | now that I'm booted I could probably just put an iso FS on the stick, no? |
| 07:39.48 | wols_ | as I said I can set each of those for mine independentiy just fine. and my disk is ahci while opticals are ide |
| 07:40.16 | wols_ | if you can boot from it you can install via the stick |
| 07:40.17 | enouf | wols_: and thats considering the mobo has marvell SATA and PATA support .. Who the fuck knows what CRAP shit Asus pulled for it to work withj the Intel Chipset and ICH9 |
| 07:40.19 | wols_ | !usb install |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | usb install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 07:40.38 | wols_ | enouf: exactly. but that's not a kernel issue but mobo/BIOS one |
| 07:41.10 | enouf | wols_: so .. if his BIOS under SATA is not in AHCI mode.. guess what? yep |
| 07:41.10 | wols_ | I mean I don't expect a setting in one menu to affect a different device's settings in e menu far away. that's just bad programming and UI design |
| 07:41.13 | enouf | no workey |
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| 07:41.29 | enouf | get it? |
| 07:41.39 | wols_ | I understand just fine what you mean |
| 07:41.51 | enouf | ok ;-) .. finally |
| 07:42.02 | wols_ | doesn't mean I agree :P |
| 07:42.09 | enouf | asshat :-P |
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| 07:43.03 | enouf | i mean you originally were askljng me WHY i'm dicking around with his SATA BIOS settings |
| 07:43.57 | enouf | when supposedly that should have no affect on the IDE Controller .. but asd you just saw. from the Kernels' code standpoint, it does |
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| 07:46.58 | Toad | gonna make this thing be an ext3 partition, stick the .iso on there, and try to install |
| 07:47.01 | Toad | ugh |
| 07:47.58 | enouf | dude, the 25$ sata cd/dvd tomorrow/next day sounds so much better :-)P ..or .. netboot that sucker |
| 07:48.20 | wols_ | enouf: today is caturday |
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| 07:48.33 | enouf | yep |
| 07:48.43 | Toad | enouf: ok... I'm very close I think with the USB solution |
| 07:48.48 | Toad | I have a USB disk mounted with an iso on it |
| 07:48.51 | wols_ | now who do you think delivers tomorrow? |
| 07:48.51 | enouf | i'm only 4-6 hours behind most of EU :-P |
| 07:48.54 | Toad | but the installer says "Failed to find an installer ISO image" |
| 07:48.57 | Toad | despite my seeing it in /mnt |
| 07:49.32 | enouf | crap, there's some tricks, but now, i'm all disombobulated tryign to explain my actions to wols_ :-P |
| 07:49.49 | siimo | anywhere here using testing have a problem with keyboard keys screwing up .. usually when vmware workstation is being used on the system. ? for example ctrl+c just types c instead of doing copy it starts happening after some time which is quite random |
| 07:50.10 | enouf | Toad: chroot /target ? |
| 07:50.24 | enouf | then run installer? |
| 07:50.29 | Toad | enouf: where's the installer path? |
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| 07:50.37 | enouf | chroot /mnt |
| 07:51.00 | tango_ | hello all, is the rbot plugin maintainer here? |
| 07:51.25 | tango_ | ehm |
| 07:51.35 | tango_ | I meant rbot *package* maintainer, actually |
| 07:51.35 | Toad | enouf: there's no /bin/sh on the iso |
| 07:51.46 | hoxu | tango_, apt-cache show rbot |
| 07:52.17 | enouf | Toad: run 'install'? or debootstrap? crap, i never had to dfo it, just read about it, so foirget |
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| 07:53.08 | tango_ | hoxu: yep, it doesn't specify the IRC callsign though 8) I'll just assume it's Duck |
| 07:53.22 | enouf | irc call sign.. lmao |
| 07:53.44 | enouf | tango_: maybe we can get you his cellphone # too? |
| 07:53.44 | hoxu | tango_, uh... just send e-mail, there arent' that many debian devs here afaik, most volunteers aren't developers |
| 07:53.53 | hoxu | !lart enouf |
| 07:53.53 | dpkg | declares enouf a moron |
| 07:53.57 | hoxu | ouch |
| 07:54.04 | enouf | ;-) |
| 07:54.07 | WormFood | "IRC callsign"? if you don't have one. the fcc will come to get you? |
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| 07:54.26 | enouf | tango_: hold on, i think he's on the toilet |
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| 07:54.33 | enouf | !spank hoxu |
| 07:54.33 | dpkg | bends hoxu over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 07:54.41 | hoxu | !penixstrike enouf |
| 07:54.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking enouf to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:54.43 | tango_ | enouf, as in the toilet plugin? 8-D |
| 07:54.49 | enouf | haha |
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| 07:55.07 | enouf | tango_: wouldn't that be a plug-out? :-P |
| 07:55.27 | tango_ | !lart enouf |
| 07:55.27 | dpkg | pours gasoline all over enouf, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 07:55.29 | tango_ | 8-D |
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| 07:57.02 | dfranke | Ugh. Hopefully some patches for this flock of ruby vulnerabilities are on their way to the etch security repo? |
| 07:57.38 | enouf | Toad: wait, dionlt you just Boot the USB thing? |
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| 07:58.07 | enouf | Toad: yeah there;s an X86 Boot sector on it, isn't there? (the kmuto one) |
| 07:58.57 | enouf | file -s path/to/iso .. i d/l accidentally and peaked inside real quick, IINM |
| 07:59.07 | frank_white | is it possible to do a net install off my network with just 2 floppies? |
| 07:59.19 | frank_white | i tried it today and it just gave me some type of mini-root ash shell? |
| 07:59.20 | Toad | enouf: yea, I booted fine off the USB stick |
| 07:59.28 | Toad | but I think it booted an initrd |
| 07:59.30 | enouf | oh wait that'll return bootavle CDROM ISO-9660 .. bnot file -s .. dang |
| 07:59.37 | enouf | yeah |
| 08:00.01 | Toad | then when the installer ot to "scan hard drives for an installer ISO image" it didn't find crap |
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| 08:00.07 | Toad | so I got it manually mounted |
| 08:00.13 | Toad | but I can't figure out how to explicitly point at it |
| 08:00.23 | enouf | dammmit |
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| 08:01.17 | enouf | Toad: isn't thaty USB boot.img.gz like 500 MB wehn gunzipped? |
| 08:01.28 | Toad | enouf: this is a 2G flash |
| 08:01.40 | enouf | omg |
| 08:01.44 | enouf | wait .. |
| 08:01.58 | enouf | oh, so 500MB is nothing |
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| 08:02.46 | enouf | yeah i'm d/l now, it's 18MB compressed |
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| 08:03.25 | enouf | $ file -s boot.img.gz |
| 08:03.25 | enouf | boot.img.gz: gzip compressed data, was "boot.img", from Unix, last modified: Fri May 30 04:44:51 2008, max compressio |
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| 08:07.09 | enouf | yeah, 501MB gunzipped |
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| 08:20.47 | asdzxc | hi |
| 08:20.58 | asdzxc | i want to upgrade onely _one_ package from backports (Etch) |
| 08:21.02 | omakase | does etch have a default mta installed? |
| 08:21.05 | asdzxc | how can i do this ? |
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| 08:21.53 | Maulkin | omakase: yes, exim |
| 08:21.58 | Toad | man... |
| 08:22.01 | Toad | this is so so frustrating |
| 08:22.05 | omakase | Maulkin: thanks |
| 08:22.07 | Maulkin | asdzxc: See the backports webpage |
| 08:22.09 | Toad | I thought linux became easier to install a few years ago |
| 08:22.18 | Toad | in fact it became worse. I had less trouble in '99 |
| 08:22.19 | OpenTokix | asdzxc: If you follow the howtos for backports, thats exactly what they suggest |
| 08:22.34 | OpenTokix | asdzxc: they block every package, except the one you enable yourself |
| 08:22.35 | Maulkin | Toad: any particular gripes, or just feel like general moaning? |
| 08:22.44 | Toad | Maulkin: I'm trying to install kmuto off a USB stick |
| 08:22.53 | Toad | and it just plain doesn't work ... this is after 3 hours of trying to install off a CD |
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| 08:22.59 | asdzxc | Maulkin OpenTokix ok, i will look on it. thnx |
| 08:23.04 | Toad | USB stick can't seem to mount itself - "Unable to load NLS charset utf8" |
| 08:23.19 | Toad | because that module is not on the initrd |
| 08:23.45 | foutrelis | Toad, have you tried a weekly cd image of testing? .-. |
| 08:23.53 | Toad | foutrelis: tried the beta of testing |
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| 08:24.00 | Toad | was told to go back to kmuto since testing is buggier |
| 08:24.01 | Maulkin | Have you tried stable, perhaps? |
| 08:24.05 | OpenTokix | Toad: ust install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 08:24.09 | Toad | yes, was told to try kmuto |
| 08:24.15 | OpenTokix | kmuto, whats that? |
| 08:24.18 | Toad | because stable didn't work with my chipset and stuff |
| 08:24.22 | Toad | 2.6.25 w/ etch |
| 08:24.34 | Maulkin | Ahh, so now the actual problem. You've got bleeding edge hardware. |
| 08:25.43 | Toad | Maulkin: not entirely... it's new but it's not top of te line |
| 08:25.59 | OpenTokix | prolly a laptop =) |
| 08:26.11 | enouf | Toad: what's syslinux.cfg say? so ,, it's looking for another avaiable ISO? wtf? OH ,,, zcat and cpio -i that initrdG,gz file .. just friggin great, i loop mount the gunzipped usb boot.img, and now cpio is flalking out |
| 08:26.32 | Toad | enouf: just using the boot.img.gz that kmuto provides |
| 08:26.44 | Toad | OpenTokix: nope |
| 08:27.48 | enouf | Gah .. that other initrdG one is for GUI .. bah |
| 08:28.01 | enouf | Toad: that's what i have |
| 08:28.23 | enouf | Toad: it's 18MB d/l and 501MB gunzippped |
| 08:28.47 | enouf | so i gunzipped it and loop mounted it |
| 08:28.49 | Toad | yea probably sparse |
| 08:28.50 | Toad | same |
| 08:28.52 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1052347 |
| 08:29.07 | enouf | quite sparse |
| 08:29.20 | Toad | so right now I'm trying to load nls_utf8.ko |
| 08:29.26 | Toad | using an ext3 partition |
| 08:29.29 | enouf | so you might ALSO need the netinstall or CD ISO too .. dang installer guide |
| 08:29.36 | Toad | then put the vfat thing back... |
| 08:30.00 | enouf | "The installer will look for a Debian ISO image on the stick as its source for additional data needed for the installation. So your next step is to copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or even a full CD image) onto your stick (be sure to select one that fits). The file name of the image must end in .iso." |
| 08:30.10 | enouf | Toad: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 08:30.21 | Toad | enouf: yep, I put one there |
| 08:30.27 | Toad | but the initrd can't mount the vfat usb stick |
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| 08:30.50 | enouf | modprobe -a fat vfat |
| 08:30.51 | enouf | ? |
| 08:31.04 | enouf | wtf with the Fatty? |
| 08:31.10 | Toad | it has those, but didn't have nls_utf8 |
| 08:31.17 | Toad | so I just put utf8 on an ext3, insmodded it |
| 08:31.21 | Toad | now am putting the vfat back on this drive |
| 08:31.40 | Toad | now that i've got nls_utf8 loaded I'm hoping it can mount the thing |
| 08:31.45 | enouf | mount the sucker using codepage=497 and iocharset=ISO-8851 ? |
| 08:31.53 | Toad | tried various options of that |
| 08:31.58 | Toad | couldn't convince it to work |
| 08:32.41 | enouf | Toad: are the HDDs partitioned and mkfs yet? |
| 08:32.47 | starz | enouf, |
| 08:32.50 | starz | i got results |
| 08:32.56 | Toad | enouf: tried both partitioned and un |
| 08:33.03 | starz | it spit out starz |
| 08:33.05 | starz | ~)~ |
| 08:33.12 | Toad | aha, now that I have nls_utf8 I can mount the fat on the usb |
| 08:33.15 | Toad | let's see if the installer sees it |
| 08:33.23 | enouf | Toad: i mean you could mkfs.ext2 and copy over ISo from USB onto HDD? |
| 08:33.41 | enouf | starz: reset |
| 08:34.27 | Toad | enouf: yea it wouldn't see it |
| 08:34.32 | Toad | I think with nls_utf8 I'm making headway |
| 08:34.35 | Toad | I got one step farther this time |
| 08:35.04 | enouf | Toad: in 1999 only half the population had drank the MPoop Koolaid ,.. unfortuantely, many many more sheeple were born and raised into the MPoop |
| 08:35.05 | Toad | the "looking for drives" thing found the drive and mounted it. but i didn't have the iso on it this time |
| 08:35.41 | Toad | booyea, found the ISO |
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| 08:37.01 | Toad | I think I may get this damn thing installed! |
| 08:37.45 | Toad | oh shit |
| 08:37.48 | Toad | I have to think of a hostname now... |
| 08:37.50 | starz | enouf, sudo shutdown -r now |
| 08:37.54 | starz | :P |
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| 08:43.17 | stefanb- | anyone successfully managed a bridge with a wireless-interface and wpa_supplicant? in my case - wpasupplicant always hangs with status ASSOCIATED - which should be COMPLETED |
| 08:43.43 | stefanb- | please see configuration here http://rafb.net/p/xHa9KF50.html |
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| 08:51.01 | stefanb- | i see that there is some magic -b switch - maybe that solve that problem |
| 08:51.04 | Toad | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:51.09 | Toad | the installer kernel panicked |
| 08:51.10 | Toad | wtf |
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| 08:54.08 | dmseg | hello, guys anyone here has the debian live image i need to get its jigdo template |
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| 08:55.05 | dmseg | If you have the debian live cd image please make a jigdo and tmeplate file using jigdo easy and ill upload it on my server |
| 08:55.56 | captain_peds | anyone know alot about SD and SDHC card readers? I am having a very difficult issue... |
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| 08:59.20 | dmseg | <captain_peds> whats wrong dude? |
| 08:59.43 | dmseg | as well, anyone if can run debian gnome on a 256mb ram system!! |
| 09:00.10 | craigevil | yes it will run not super fast but it will run |
| 09:00.32 | captain_peds | im running lenny on an eeepc 900 and the card reader is mounting my SDHC card as a read-only filesystem |
| 09:00.36 | craigevil | i would probably use something lighter though, xfce, lxde, etc |
| 09:00.54 | dmseg | yep i would go for xfce |
| 09:00.56 | dmseg | thankx |
| 09:01.28 | dmseg | <captain_peds> that is only because the filesystem on your card is vfat of ntfs |
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| 09:02.03 | captain_peds | tha filesystem is vfat, but it is behaving quite strangely |
| 09:02.09 | enouf | Toad: ouch |
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| 09:02.17 | Toad | enouf: yea kernel barfing all over |
| 09:02.51 | captain_peds | i can create and delete directories from the command line, but if i try to use a GUI filemanager it becomes read-only all of a sudden |
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| 09:03.27 | enouf | !vfatrw |
| 09:03.27 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 09:03.44 | enouf | !automount |
| 09:03.44 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 09:04.10 | enouf | captain_peds: /msg the <bot> for one of those above |
| 09:04.12 | captain_peds | i already tried changing it in fstab |
| 09:04.19 | Toad | gonna give this one more try, enouf |
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| 09:04.30 | Toad | the sun is rising... might be bed time.... |
| 09:04.36 | enouf | Toad: can you tell me the make/model? asus? |
| 09:04.45 | Toad | p5k pro |
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| 09:04.51 | enouf | Toad: so i know to run away from that POCRap |
| 09:04.56 | dmseg | <captain_peds> it is just a protective measure done to protect your mem card to be corrupted |
| 09:05.05 | dmseg | <enouf> yo was up |
| 09:05.18 | captain_peds | the card itself is fine, it works on other computers with no problems |
| 09:05.26 | enouf | was/whas/what's ? |
| 09:06.11 | enouf | Toad: the sata port your HDD is in, isn't one of those special intel matrix raid10 pieces of crap, is it? |
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| 09:08.42 | Toad | enouf: I think it supports raid10 but it's not enabled |
| 09:10.02 | enouf | Toad: yeah, but only certain ports are allowed , AND that's controlled by a separate SIL Chip! |
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| 09:10.24 | dmseg | <captain_peds> just siply backup and forc a read\wite mount |
| 09:10.27 | enouf | Toad: so you have Intel + Sil + Marvell for your drives |
| 09:10.46 | enouf | stick with intel for installing |
| 09:10.51 | dmseg | if it works good! if it doesnt we will still be here! |
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| 09:11.39 | dmseg | cya guys <captain_peds> do what i say! (atleaset try it) (backup first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
| 09:11.58 | captain_peds | ya... i already did that and it didnt work |
| 09:12.15 | Toad | giving this another go... if it starts panicing again I guess I'll have to run memtests and crap |
| 09:12.26 | Toad | possible my ram isn't seated well or is bad or something |
| 09:12.29 | craigevil | Toad: just a suggestion try sidux, marvell.ko in in the sidux kernel |
| 09:12.31 | Toad | that's the problem with fresh hardware I guess |
| 09:12.48 | Toad | craigevil: well, I'm on to USB install now, so marvell isn't the issue anymore |
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| 09:12.51 | Toad | now it's mysterious kernel panics |
| 09:12.54 | enouf | craigevil: he needs pata_marvell |
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| 09:12.59 | oren | is there iceweasel3? |
| 09:13.00 | Toad | well, not panics, but oopses |
| 09:13.22 | craigevil | enouf: yes its there> /lib/modules/2.6.24-2.6.24.2.slh.4-sidux-686/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_marvell.ko |
| 09:13.55 | craigevil | thats why i suggested it |
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| 09:15.37 | enouf | craigevil: cool - i'm looking inside the USB kmuto boot.img and under /kernel/drivers/ata/ there's quite a few missing, one being the pata_marvell.ko |
| 09:15.39 | JyZyXEL | how do you change keymap? |
| 09:16.19 | craigevil | or grab the sidux kernel and run it in lenny, works just fine im using in on my eeepc |
| 09:16.26 | enouf | JyZyXEL: setxkbmap |
| 09:16.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.45 | enouf | JyZyXEL: setxkbmap <CC> |
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| 09:17.12 | JyZyXEL | CC? |
| 09:17.23 | craigevil | country code |
| 09:17.27 | enouf | Country Code |
| 09:17.32 | JyZyXEL | whats the format for Country Code |
| 09:17.39 | enouf | se for spain, etc |
| 09:17.43 | enouf | us for .. |
| 09:17.53 | JyZyXEL | us for russian? |
| 09:17.54 | Toad | don't you mean se for sweden? |
| 09:17.55 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 09:17.56 | cb3rob2 | arr. |
| 09:17.58 | cb3rob2 | pirates |
| 09:18.00 | enouf | de for german |
| 09:18.05 | enouf | yeah |
| 09:18.05 | craigevil | ru russian |
| 09:18.14 | Toad | goddamn mkext3 takes forever |
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| 09:18.17 | enouf | br for brazil, portuguese or someshit |
| 09:18.20 | Toad | or mke2fs or whatever |
| 09:18.23 | enouf | go RTFM |
| 09:18.26 | cb3rob2 | nt for pirates |
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| 09:18.40 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:19.10 | cb3rob2 | licks enouf |
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| 09:19.32 | enouf | !spank cb3rob2 |
| 09:19.33 | dpkg | bends cb3rob2 over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 09:19.48 | cb3rob2 | oh dear. |
| 09:19.56 | JyZyXEL | deer |
| 09:20.00 | enouf | i should've penixstricken you :-P |
| 09:20.26 | cb3rob2 | hmmz :P |
| 09:20.54 | oren | is there iceweasel 3 for debian? |
| 09:21.05 | craigevil | oren: in sid yes |
| 09:21.19 | enouf | if you have to ask though |
| 09:21.20 | oren | can i get it with backports? |
| 09:21.33 | craigevil | no clue |
| 09:21.54 | enouf | see backports.org, but since that firepoop is beta .. |
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| 09:22.07 | craigevil | and buggy as hell |
| 09:22.19 | oren | enouf: why poop? u don't like it? |
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| 09:22.26 | enouf | bloat |
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| 09:23.03 | oren | enouf: but it has great addons. what other browser do u suggest? epipahny? |
| 09:23.34 | craigevil | i like iw :) although with all the bugs in it opera is looking better and better |
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| 09:23.36 | enouf | i use links2 -g, i like it, others don't - but no denying it's speed |
| 09:23.43 | enouf | and lightweightness |
| 09:24.06 | Arafangion | Opera's also pretty good. |
| 09:24.07 | craigevil | cant watch pron videos in links |
| 09:24.11 | Arafangion | Though not free. |
| 09:24.20 | enouf | craigevil: mplayer ; done |
| 09:24.44 | Toad | jeez mke2fs still going |
| 09:24.44 | oren | enouf: i tried elinks and lynx. can u see pictures in links2? |
| 09:24.46 | Toad | I wonder if I got a crap disk |
| 09:24.47 | enouf | what fools watch media in a bloated browser? |
| 09:24.56 | enouf | oren: ofcourse |
| 09:25.03 | Spirit_ | all i did was an aptitude update and upgrade, after it was done there were two broken packages and the "solution" was this: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5900/arghagrhagrhaguq0.jpg =D |
| 09:25.05 | enouf | oren: links2 |
| 09:25.10 | oren | !links2 |
| 09:25.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2 |
| 09:25.26 | enouf | runs in Console with GUI too ;-) |
| 09:25.43 | enouf | don't even need X .. :-P |
| 09:25.48 | craigevil | graphics ? |
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| 09:26.01 | oren | enouf: give me a few minutes. i'll get it and tell you what i think. |
| 09:26.01 | enouf | Directfb + svgalib ftw |
| 09:26.08 | Arafangion | craigevil: It's graphical and has partial javascript support. |
| 09:26.27 | craigevil | the -g option doesnt work out of x or do you have to give it a different option |
| 09:27.17 | enouf | oren: if you want to run it in console though read; /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
| 09:27.18 | craigevil | Spirit_: wtf did you do? "Will us 32.2GB of disk space" |
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| 09:27.40 | enouf | craigevil: what? Bullshit |
| 09:27.42 | oren | enouf: sure. i'll try with X first. |
| 09:27.51 | Spirit_ | craigevil: it wasn't me, it was aptitude's idea. well, canceling pending actions etc solved everything. something was very weird |
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| 09:28.12 | enouf | craigevil: i run links2 -g in Console just fine |
| 09:28.23 | craigevil | in ttys? |
| 09:28.27 | enouf | Yes! |
| 09:28.47 | enouf | craigevil: maybe /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian is the issue for you |
| 09:28.58 | enouf | but even so, i always got GUI |
| 09:29.02 | craigevil | yeah looking at that now |
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| 09:29.47 | enouf | craigevil: did you know about xlinks2 ? :-P |
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| 09:30.27 | enouf | (it;s just a small wrapper script that calls links2 -g) |
| 09:30.29 | craigevil | gives all kinds of errors if trying to start in tty with links2 -g |
| 09:30.41 | enouf | craigevil: your FB is foobared :-P |
| 09:30.53 | enouf | you need directfb support |
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| 09:31.16 | craigevil | yeah it gives no supported video mode |
| 09:31.18 | enouf | apt-cache depends links2 |
| 09:31.29 | Toad | my god |
| 09:31.31 | oren | enouf: so if i want gui i have to add g? |
| 09:31.31 | enouf | mine is what my vga=xxx is |
| 09:31.36 | Toad | this thing has been mkfsing for over 20 minutes now |
| 09:31.37 | enouf | yes |
| 09:31.38 | Toad | for only 500G |
| 09:31.40 | enouf | oren: yes |
| 09:31.47 | Toad | this is not normal, right? |
| 09:31.55 | enouf | oren: or .. in X use xlinks2 |
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| 09:32.01 | enouf | in / for |
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| 09:32.22 | enouf | Toad: slow usb? |
| 09:32.22 | craigevil | all the depends are installed and it doesnt recommend anything |
| 09:32.29 | enouf | Toad: 1.1 mode :-P |
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| 09:32.37 | Toad | enouf: it's mkfsing the target disk though |
| 09:32.40 | oren | enouf: what is the difference between xlinks2 and links2 -g ? |
| 09:32.59 | Toad | it showed one IO error about 20 minutes ago |
| 09:33.02 | Toad | and that's it |
| 09:33.09 | enouf | oren: nothing, xlinks2 is a small script that just runs links2 -g |
| 09:33.22 | enouf | so you can use it as a startup shortcut and crap |
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| 09:34.00 | Toad | ugh... mkfs.ext3 is blocked |
| 09:34.04 | Toad | i can't even kill -9 it |
| 09:34.05 | enouf | Toad: where did you leave off with your SATA HDD BIOS settings? :-P |
| 09:34.08 | Toad | fuck |
| 09:34.12 | Toad | enouf: who knows :P |
| 09:34.13 | craigevil | ok weird i can start links2 -g in tty1 as root but not as user |
| 09:34.29 | enouf | craigevil: right |
| 09:34.43 | enouf | the /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian takes care of that so USER can use it |
| 09:34.51 | craigevil | i did that |
| 09:34.59 | enouf | weird |
| 09:35.08 | craigevil | dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/links2 |
| 09:35.13 | enouf | yes |
| 09:35.22 | enouf | craigevil: oh wait |
| 09:35.36 | enouf | craigevil: chmod the binary and use it |
| 09:35.41 | craigevil | thats all thats there |
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| 09:35.48 | Toad | enouf: it was in compat mode... switched it back to ahci |
| 09:35.51 | enouf | the dpkg part is only for upgrades |
| 09:35.52 | Toad | and gonna give this ONE more go |
| 09:35.57 | enouf | i think |
| 09:36.00 | Toad | then screw it and I can have a new computer some time next year :P |
| 09:36.04 | oren | enouf: what's going on with the pages? they don't look good with links2.. |
| 09:36.13 | enouf | craigevil: ls -l /usr/bin/links2 |
| 09:36.26 | enouf | Toad: ok, |
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| 09:36.28 | craigevil | Toad: if you have broadband give sidux a try it only takes 5 minutes to install |
| 09:36.29 | oren | enouf: not all the formatting/css is rendered properly. |
| 09:36.33 | spacix | Can I also install irssi in my homedir and start it without being su> |
| 09:36.43 | Toad | craigevil: I've bypassed that issue now though... |
| 09:36.43 | craigevil | enouf: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2817864 2008-05-13 19:24 /usr/bin/links2 |
| 09:36.49 | Toad | I seem to have new issues now :) |
| 09:37.01 | enouf | oren: i told you , some people don't like it ... i want FAST loading and no Bloat |
| 09:37.19 | Toad | skipping LVM this time too |
| 09:37.34 | enouf | craigevil: yeahm that's correct |
| 09:37.44 | Toad | fuck |
| 09:37.46 | Toad | kernel oops |
| 09:37.59 | Toad | bad page state in process 'mkfs.ext3' |
| 09:38.06 | enouf | craigevil: are you using another FB other than vesa? |
| 09:38.18 | craigevil | i use nvidia driver |
| 09:38.21 | enouf | oh wait .. it's a perm issue? |
| 09:38.26 | enouf | oh crap , lmao |
| 09:38.38 | enouf | craigevil: does it work as root or not? |
| 09:38.43 | craigevil | as root yes |
| 09:39.08 | enouf | then there';s some perm issues |
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| 09:39.21 | oren | enouf: me too. but it doesn't display the page properly...for me it's important. |
| 09:39.32 | enouf | oren: ok |
| 09:39.32 | Toad | screw it... bed... night all, thanks for the help |
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| 09:39.36 | Toad | guesss it's time to memtest tomorrow |
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| 09:40.15 | enouf | oren: just remember it when you want a TUI or a GUI Console Browser :-P |
| 09:40.25 | enouf | Toad: ouch |
| 09:40.35 | oren | enouf: try vimperator. it's a plug in for FF3 for mouse haters. |
| 09:40.49 | H2S04 | oren: not just FF3 |
| 09:40.53 | enouf | no Firepoop here, thanks ;-) |
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| 09:41.19 | oren | H2S04: can u use it with firepoop 2? |
| 09:41.31 | enouf | craigevil: maybe nvidia driver also takes over FB console? need perms there? |
| 09:41.46 | enouf | craigevil: i have no idea about those 3D drivers though |
| 09:42.04 | enouf | oren: no need to call it that ;-) |
| 09:42.13 | enouf | i do it enouf for all of us |
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| 09:42.29 | craigevil | will have to give it a try on my eee later perhaps it will work on intel |
| 09:42.37 | enouf | (kinda catchin though ain't it?) |
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| 09:43.25 | bthomas | hi, internet is accessible from MS win workstations in our organisation, but all the three debian computer are not able to access any site (except perhaps google.com, sometimes). The deb stations and send/recieve mail, can connect to IRC so the problem seems to happen only with web sites. I am using Etch. An ideas ? |
| 09:44.20 | cast | some kind of fucked up http proxy? |
| 09:44.32 | bthomas | that must be our router then |
| 09:44.41 | bthomas | not proxy as such in the network |
| 09:44.54 | bthomas | but how about the MS win computer |
| 09:44.55 | H2S04 | weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:45.31 | H2S04 | enouf: you know much about LAN xfer speed optimization :X? |
| 09:45.38 | bthomas | our sys admin primarly a win guy is foxed so i am on my own here |
| 09:45.41 | enouf | no |
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| 09:45.59 | cast | if its gigeth go jumboframes! |
| 09:46.26 | enouf | bthomas: check the settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:46.26 | cast | bthomas: does firefox work on the win boxes? |
| 09:46.29 | H2S04 | enouf: you're supposed to be an encyclopedia :0 |
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| 09:46.42 | enouf | H2S04: i'm a mini one :-p |
| 09:46.47 | bthomas | yes firefox works on win comuters |
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| 09:47.14 | cast | bthomas: is there any authentication needed to use the net? |
| 09:47.21 | cast | [erm, web i mean] |
| 09:47.27 | bthomas | enouf: dig is about to find the dns record of any site so i presume that is not the problem |
| 09:47.31 | enouf | bthomas: do you have a default route setup for debian boxen? /sbin/route says? |
| 09:47.37 | bthomas | cast : no authentication |
| 09:47.58 | enouf | bthomas: what about dig? |
| 09:48.13 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 09:48.14 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 09:48.15 | bthomas | enouf: route reports default route 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:48.21 | bthomas | enouf: yes dig works |
| 09:48.30 | bthomas | dig gives dns record of any site |
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| 09:48.46 | cast | so everythign else works fine but http, :< |
| 09:48.52 | bthomas | dpkg : /etc/network/intfaces is setup for static here is the config |
| 09:48.52 | dpkg | bthomas: okay |
| 09:49.13 | enouf | bthomas: how about ifconfig -a . showing correct addys for eth0 and such? nnot some 169.254.x.x addy? |
| 09:49.13 | bthomas | auto eth0 |
| 09:49.14 | bthomas | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 09:49.14 | bthomas | iface eth0 inet static |
| 09:49.14 | bthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.14 | bthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.14 | bthomas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.24 | enouf | !z25 |
| 09:49.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 09:50.03 | enouf | wait., auto!! |
| 09:50.15 | enouf | oh, crap |
| 09:50.26 | spacix | does anyone know if there is any commandline browser tool for windows ms-dos? |
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| 09:50.28 | spacix | like there is lynx for unix |
| 09:50.44 | tminos | there's a windows port of lynx |
| 09:50.47 | prahal | bthomas, maybe the dhcp tells there is a proxy when there is no |
| 09:50.47 | bthomas | sorry guys , got kicked for cutting and pasting oops |
| 09:50.50 | tminos | and there's always cygwin |
| 09:51.09 | bthomas | prahal: we are using static |
| 09:51.21 | enouf | nm .. but with allow-hotplug too? that works i guess .. hrm, what about /etc/hosts{.deny,.allow} |
| 09:51.33 | cast | spacix: we're ms-dos specialists. |
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| 09:52.04 | enouf | telnet |
| 09:52.07 | bthomas | enouf: /etc/hosts has my local record 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 09:52.28 | masus | hi all, anyone know where can i change the preferences of iceweasel system wide in *debian* etch. Thanks All. |
| 09:52.29 | bthomas | and a bunch of stuff on ipv6 i didn't add |
| 09:52.40 | enouf | roght - what about ifconfig? |
| 09:52.57 | enouf | <enouf> bthomas: how about ifconfig -a . showing correct addys for eth0 and such? nnot some 169.254.x.x addy? |
| 09:53.12 | bthomas | enouf: ifconfig shows eth0 is up and running and linked to my local network ip |
| 09:53.15 | enouf | Batchy: is avahi-daemon running? |
| 09:53.16 | bthomas | no suprises |
| 09:53.17 | grul | hepp hepp |
| 09:53.22 | bthomas | since i can ping any site |
| 09:53.25 | cast | manpage mentions a /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc, dunno if that helps at all |
| 09:53.27 | bthomas | chat with you using irc |
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| 09:53.33 | enouf | bthomas: so it has the 192.x addy? |
| 09:53.34 | bthomas | send/recieve mail using evolution |
| 09:53.35 | reZo | lo enouf, remember my large font problem? well, i ended up installing kde4, booting back into xfce4, and it's fixed :S |
| 09:53.39 | bthomas | just can browse the web |
| 09:53.49 | enouf | reZo: figures O_o |
| 09:54.02 | bthomas | enouf: yes avahi-daemon is running |
| 09:54.11 | enouf | reZo: no reinstallation of debian required ;-P |
| 09:54.16 | enouf | bthomas: kill it |
| 09:54.28 | bthomas | enouf: yes ifconfig shows my address is 192.168.1.29 which is correct |
| 09:54.30 | reZo | :D |
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| 09:55.20 | slxix | i'd run wireshark and see what's going on. |
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| 09:55.41 | enouf | bthomas: ok, now, how about the udev z25 file i mentioned above? MAC -> ethX correct ? i'm thinking a firewall or router issue? Your Browser needs to use the UserAgent string ? wtf kind of POS is that? |
| 09:55.59 | bthomas | enouf: killed avahi daemon but still can't access any site however google default page loads instantly |
| 09:56.00 | enouf | bthomas: how about arp - any output? |
| 09:56.11 | bthomas | enouf: i think you may be right about the router problem |
| 09:56.19 | enouf | bthomas: hasn't google.com always loaded instantyly? |
| 09:56.40 | enouf | proxy setup? |
| 09:57.22 | bthomas | enouf: arp shows me two records one for 192.168.1.1 and another for 192.168.1.20 |
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| 09:57.28 | bthomas | however my ip is 192.168.1.29 |
| 09:57.58 | pozic | Is there a an build-depends command that installs all possible dependencies for a given package? build-depends installs too little. |
| 09:58.32 | wols_ | then there would be a bug. give us the full output of the errng command |
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| 09:58.46 | slxix | arp who-has 192.168.1.29 tell 192.168.1.29 :P |
| 09:59.12 | pozic | s/all possible/all optional |
| 09:59.28 | enouf | arp should show your default gateway and it's MAC and eth0, IINM |
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| 10:00.01 | enouf | i mean on the same line |
| 10:00.31 | bthomas | enouf: arp does show me my default gateway and its mac |
| 10:00.40 | bthomas | both are correct |
| 10:00.57 | enouf | pozic: might want to look at rdepends? |
| 10:01.00 | bthomas | i am afraid to cut and paste as i might get kicked again (by paster bot or whatever) |
| 10:01.09 | cast | just don't paste more than 3 lines |
| 10:01.16 | enouf | bthomas: ok, look outward .. unless someone setup iptables |
| 10:01.20 | cast | or use rafb.net/paste/ |
| 10:01.27 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 10:01.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:01.42 | enouf | bthomas: iptables -L |
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| 10:01.52 | pozic | enouf: what is it? |
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| 10:02.08 | enouf | pozic: well, i'm still trying to understand what you want |
| 10:02.27 | enouf | possible build-dep is build-dep :-P |
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| 10:02.49 | enouf | pozic: also /msg dpkg auto-apt |
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| 10:03.17 | pozic | enouf: program X can be compiled with needed libs Foo, and Bar and optional libs A,B,C and D. builds-depends doesn't install all optional ones for at least one package. |
| 10:03.28 | pozic | enouf: is that clear? |
| 10:03.41 | bthomas | enouf: iptables -L shows policy ACCEPT on INPUT , FORWARD and OUTPUT |
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| 10:04.20 | cast | bthomas: is there any way around the router? say setup a vpn or some such? |
| 10:04.36 | enouf | pozic: no, the build-dep command will pull in all that's needed - and/or module-assistant if making modules |
| 10:04.49 | slxix | why not just use tcpdump or wireshark to see what's going on? |
| 10:05.05 | enouf | optional? you want Recommends? |
| 10:05.12 | enouf | or Suggests? |
| 10:05.25 | cast | slxix: yeah....hmmm, but :< HAX |
| 10:05.28 | pozic | enouf: optional as in "optional" in the semantics of the source tarball. |
| 10:05.39 | enouf | bthomas: that's fine - standard default setup .. were you root? |
| 10:05.45 | slxix | cast: ? |
| 10:05.58 | cast | wibbles quietly |
| 10:06.16 | pozic | enouf: I am talking about options like --enable-liba. |
| 10:06.31 | enouf | pozic: Oh... ./configure options |
| 10:07.24 | enouf | you want to get the source and see the .. erm .. debian/rules? or /control ? i forget ... the make files are there - use debuild or something |
| 10:07.31 | pozic | enouf: so I want a build-depends command that installs all the lib<X>-dev libraries that can be used for a given package. |
| 10:07.47 | enouf | pozic: i'm not sure then, sorry |
| 10:07.51 | pozic | enouf: I already have the source. debian/rules is too complicated imho. |
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| 10:08.17 | enouf | pozic: maybe try #debian-mentors on oftc.net or ask on the mailing list .. |
| 10:08.27 | enouf | pozic: see the nmg |
| 10:08.34 | enouf | do /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 10:09.21 | slxix | !hax |
| 10:09.21 | dpkg | hmm... hax is cool! he gives me scooby snacks and botsex! |
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| 10:09.51 | slxix | luck is not with me tonight. |
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| 10:11.14 | cast | anyone know if any package contains libjemalloc.so, packages.debian.org has taken a dump and it's not in my amd64 repos |
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| 10:14.21 | enouf | omg .. i was doing du -sh on the Dir above where boot,img was .. sorry about that Toad .. it's not 501MB gunzipped :-P |
| 10:14.34 | dutchfish | cast, isnt this replaced my auto-small-stack? |
| 10:15.27 | enouf | wait a friggin minute here |
| 10:15.28 | dutchfish | cast, using libc6-2.7 on lenny now |
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| 10:16.22 | dutchfish | cast, but it has build errors on other arch'es then i386 & amd64 i believe |
| 10:16.37 | cast | i'm on etch...dunno dude, want to run ff3 :< |
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| 10:17.39 | dutchfish | cast, apt-file would show it i gues then, cant check it now |
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| 10:18.32 | enouf | cast: i;m on a weird lenny/sid mix and dlocate and apt-file came up empty |
| 10:19.02 | enouf | find libjemalloc.so |
| 10:19.03 | wols_ | cast: xulrunner-1.9 |
| 10:19.07 | dutchfish | enouf, same for me |
| 10:19.08 | enouf | !find libjemalloc.so |
| 10:20.02 | wols_ | !ff3 etch |
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| 10:20.24 | dutchfish | points to rtai-doc: /usr/share/doc/rtai-doc/api/malloc_8c.html |
| 10:20.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libjemalloc.so' (2): (/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so) in devel/xulrunner-1.9 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so) in libdevel/xulrunner-1.9-dbg. |
| 10:20.31 | enouf | i think i killed dpkg |
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| 10:20.37 | enouf | ooo |
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| 10:20.59 | kantor | I have removed, and renamed my sg driver (sg.ko) but the eject program still can use it to eject my cd-rom, how is this possible ? |
| 10:21.01 | enouf | she's got a backdoor :-P |
| 10:21.09 | dutchfish | enouf, xulrunner is still hold back, see bjorn.haxx.se/debian |
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| 10:21.26 | enouf | dutchfish: thanks, not my concern :-P |
| 10:21.27 | wols_ | kantor: why did you remake it? |
| 10:21.36 | JyZyXEL | there is just one bad thing in the iptables shell scripts ppl make |
| 10:21.39 | dutchfish | enouf, oops sorry |
| 10:21.42 | JyZyXEL | you cannot know which of the lines makes the error =D |
| 10:21.54 | enouf | dutchfish: no porbs :-P |
| 10:22.03 | JyZyXEL | its impossible to debug what line is incorrect |
| 10:22.14 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: this is why? |
| 10:22.28 | JyZyXEL | wols_ cause bash just executes all the iptables commands listed there |
| 10:22.31 | kantor | wols_, I only want to test this ioctl: SG_GET_VERSION_NUM if the sg driver is not present |
| 10:22.33 | JyZyXEL | and some of them produce errors |
| 10:22.38 | JyZyXEL | there is no way to know what was it |
| 10:22.41 | dutchfish | enouf, you are on lenny/sid 64 bit, do you have nss lib problems too? |
| 10:23.12 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you are mistaken |
| 10:23.37 | JyZyXEL | i am? |
| 10:23.37 | enouf | kantor: so you think eject: /usr/bin/eject needs sg.ko ? |
| 10:23.41 | JyZyXEL | hows so |
| 10:23.55 | enouf | dutchfish: 32bit here only |
| 10:24.00 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 10:24.22 | kantor | enouf, yes, if it finds somewhere, because it checks for that |
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| 10:25.42 | g00se | streuner: The BBC iPlayer is UK only apparently |
| 10:26.31 | enouf | ~$ strace -eopen,connect,socket eject /dev/hdd |
| 10:26.48 | petemc | bbcredux isnt uk only, but you need an invite |
| 10:27.21 | g00se | petemc: Ah i see. A proxy might defeat that anyway i'd guess |
| 10:27.44 | petemc | probably |
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| 10:29.34 | g00se | petemc: So you mean you've got to subscribe at the site then they give you the thumbs up? |
| 10:29.58 | wols_ | +it means you have to pay the english license fee then you get access I guess |
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| 10:32.23 | netsrot | When I'm generating ssh keys, why does it ask if I want to set a password on a key I created? isn't the hole idea to make keys so I don't need passwords? |
| 10:32.46 | enouf | it's an option |
| 10:33.02 | enouf | man ssh-keygen |
| 10:33.28 | netsrot | but why not just use normal password then? |
| 10:33.30 | g00se | netsrot: just an extra precaution in case key falls into wrong hands |
| 10:33.50 | g00se | netsrot: in this case it's 'passphrase' |
| 10:33.51 | Acceos | netsrot Because that can be bruteforced |
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| 10:34.12 | netsrot | Acceos: oh, thank you for good answer =) |
| 10:35.13 | zophy | why does gdm use over 12 Megs of memory, and why are there two instances of gdm running on my laptop ? |
| 10:35.16 | enouf | s/hole/whole |
| 10:35.36 | enouf | zophy: two vts? vt7 and vt8 ? |
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| 10:35.49 | cast | zophy: they're taking over man they're becoming self aware! |
| 10:36.47 | netsrot | they still shouldn't need 12mb to do that =) |
| 10:36.47 | bthomas | enouf: cast: Thanks for your help. Problem is solved. It was malware on 192.168.1.20 that had converted that computer into a router and it had taken over the network. Shutting down the computer has solved the problem. So much for winblows :-) |
| 10:37.55 | enouf | haha .. mpoop as the router? :-P |
| 10:38.05 | enouf | or gateway, i should say? |
| 10:38.20 | dutchfish | bthomas, what malware did that? |
| 10:39.04 | cast | so what, the malware started running a dhcpd? |
| 10:39.11 | enouf | bthomas: i mean, you were using ipmasq and forwarding to let .20 act like a gateway for .19 and like ICS does for mpoop? |
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| 10:39.32 | enouf | (i've forgotten which was on what address) |
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| 10:40.02 | cast | i'm confused as to whats going on, but it sounds awesome. |
| 10:40.19 | enouf | OH .. i see, Mpoop was on .20 and IT had malware which destroyed the .1 gateway? |
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| 10:40.52 | wols_ | enouf: .20 had malware that acted as a router |
| 10:40.54 | enouf | but yet, it allowed the mpoops top spew out diarrhea - yet debian smelled it ;-) |
| 10:41.08 | enouf | s/top/to |
| 10:41.52 | enouf | wols_: if .19 's gateway and default route is .1, what does that matter .. unless .20 was able to compromise .1 |
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| 10:42.37 | wols_ | I dunno but that's what he said |
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| 10:44.27 | bthomas | dutchfish: not sure about the malware sys admin tea plan to isolate the work station, recover data and my know then. i will post here if i come to know |
| 10:44.46 | enouf | s/tea/team |
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| 10:45.15 | dutchfish | bthomas, i am asking this so i can prevent such cases myself |
| 10:45.16 | bthomas | cast : not sure if it started dhcpd but it was flooding the network with packets as we could see the network switch constantly flashing all lights |
| 10:45.17 | enouf | bthomas: great, just trying to understand what occured ;) |
| 10:45.45 | dutchfish | bthomas, i have arpwatch running wich mostly warns me in time, but not always |
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| 10:46.07 | enouf | ahh .. so pc -> switch -> router .. sounds like arp cache poisoning maybe? |
| 10:46.17 | dutchfish | enouf, bingo |
| 10:46.25 | bthomas | dutchfish: i understand but lack info myself and have not used windows in 10 year so am not skilled to probe it further |
| 10:47.26 | bthomas | enouf: it verymuch looks like arp cache poisoning but i am not the expert here. that is what led me to guess this in the first case since arp not only showed me the default gateway and its mac , it also showed me .20 with the SAME MAC |
| 10:47.46 | enouf | Ahhh, i recall you saying that now |
| 10:48.32 | enouf | thanks for the followup bthomas .. let me ask, did you have ipmasq installed? any ipforwarding? |
| 10:48.40 | dutchfish | mm.. intresting case |
| 10:49.19 | enouf | dutchfish: actually, i'm surprised it doesn't happen all the time when people homogenize MPoop and *nix |
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| 10:49.52 | dutchfish | enouf, not with a good linux firewall, at least up until now |
| 10:49.53 | bthomas | enouf: the router did have some ports forwarded to our deployment server |
| 10:49.56 | enouf | dutchfish: though browsers are notorious for allowing malware to be d/l and installed and they stay in cache, etc |
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| 10:50.03 | dutchfish | enouf, L7 based |
| 10:50.19 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 10:50.21 | bthomas | but none of the debian computer has any firewalls or masqurading or forwarding themselves |
| 10:50.40 | Ace2016 | i'm on wifi, and i have one bar in network manager, when will i actually loose connectivity? |
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| 10:50.50 | enouf | bthomas: ok, well, i meant the debian .19 box .. i guess, it was picking up that phony .20 route from the router sending it back that info |
| 10:50.52 | Ace2016 | is there like packetloss at 1bar or what? |
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| 10:52.26 | dutchfish | Ace2016, likely you loosing it all the time on low levels, but thats handled there and trasnparent to the higher levels TCP/IP |
| 10:52.45 | enouf | haha, the windows box became the router ... |
| 10:52.50 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 10:52.56 | enouf | Ace2016: see if ifconfig shows packet loss |
| 10:53.19 | Gge | Fireball , have you seen my PM ? |
| 10:53.21 | Ace2016 | nope, no errors |
| 10:53.36 | Ace2016 | oh wait now i have 2 bar |
| 10:53.43 | cast | judging by the incoming 63.4kbps....ive been throttled to 64kbps :(:( FUCK |
| 10:53.50 | enouf | lift your laptop high! :-P |
| 10:54.05 | dutchfish | haha |
| 10:54.10 | Ace2016 | cast: what isp? |
| 10:54.16 | cast | iinet |
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| 10:57.31 | dustybin | i need to create a SAN/NAS box with 4TB of space, i dont need any of it to be backed up. Should i chose RAID 0 or LVM ? |
| 10:57.40 | dutchfish | i have just updated vlc lenny amd64, the graininess is gone (good) but now i have stutters with PAL, how should i debug this? |
| 10:57.42 | dustybin | i will use 4 x 1TB disks |
| 10:58.10 | enouf | dutchfish: no reason for LVM if you're not planning on expanding/shrinking/growing |
| 10:58.25 | dutchfish | enouf, ? |
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| 10:58.50 | enouf | if you want speed, raid0 is the best you'll do |
| 10:59.19 | enouf | dutchfish: why do you need to "logically manage volumes" ? |
| 10:59.49 | dutchfish | enouf, err read back ... not me |
| 10:59.58 | enouf | crap |
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| 11:00.07 | enouf | dustY!!! |
| 11:00.23 | dutchfish | np |
| 11:00.26 | enouf | you're both the same color too :-( |
| 11:00.43 | slxix | offwhite? |
| 11:00.44 | dutchfish | change in deep pink with white spots |
| 11:00.46 | enouf | !fishsmite dustybin |
| 11:00.47 | dpkg | slaps dustybin around a bit with a large mackerel |
| 11:00.54 | enouf | !binsmite dutchfish |
| 11:00.59 | enouf | bah :-P |
| 11:01.25 | enouf | man o man .. am i loooopey .. it's like late |
| 11:01.31 | enouf | i mean early :-P |
| 11:01.48 | dutchfish | enouf, you see, its all relative ;) |
| 11:02.02 | enouf | anyways, dustybin see my response? |
| 11:02.25 | enouf | dustybin: just getting you back from earlier :-P |
| 11:02.53 | dutchfish | thinks raid 0 with more and more spindles will increase fault change |
| 11:03.04 | enouf | (telling me about xulrunner crap - like i care 8-P ) |
| 11:03.22 | slxix | 4 minutes ago in irc time? |
| 11:03.27 | Skratz0r | BRB |
| 11:03.28 | dutchfish | sorry again enouf, my mistake then |
| 11:03.36 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm KIDDING! ;-) |
| 11:03.50 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
| 11:04.07 | enouf | dutchfish: really - i'm teasing, b/c i couldn't tell a dutch from a dusty :-) |
| 11:04.40 | dutchfish | enouf, blame the TAB key ;) |
| 11:05.05 | enouf | sounds good - me too then :-p |
| 11:05.11 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 11:06.10 | dutchfish | dustybin, how many spindles are you planning? |
| 11:07.20 | enouf | dutchfish: 4 drives, so 4 .. do you mean platters? |
| 11:07.25 | cast | he could use the lvm to make the 4 disks appear as one lv, [sure, he could use mdadm too] |
| 11:07.26 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
| 11:07.59 | dutchfish | enouf, for general purpose i would choose raid 10 |
| 11:08.02 | cast | notes it'll take an hour to download gtk+-2.12.0.tar.bz2 |
| 11:08.12 | enouf | cast: /dev/md0 will appear as one no?, if he creates it that way ;-) |
| 11:08.33 | enouf | mkfs.whatever /dev/md0, no? |
| 11:08.40 | cast | isn't that what i said |
| 11:08.46 | cast | points in the brackets |
| 11:08.47 | enouf | ok |
| 11:08.56 | enouf | points at the pointheads |
| 11:09.00 | cast | the details, they hide [in brackets] |
| 11:09.08 | enouf | pointyheads even :-P |
| 11:09.22 | enouf | cast: so why another layer of something for no reason? |
| 11:09.51 | dutchfish | apropos does debian support iSCSII over Ethernet? |
| 11:10.04 | enouf | well .. |
| 11:10.16 | enouf | heh, talk about your HBAs |
| 11:10.33 | cast | well it wouldn't be another layer if he didn't use raid |
| 11:10.54 | enouf | cast: haha .. right, but then no raid0 speed benefit |
| 11:11.27 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:11.30 | enouf | i guess he was asking whether or not to use device mapper linearly |
| 11:11.33 | enouf | of mdadm |
| 11:11.37 | enouf | or* |
| 11:11.51 | dutchfish | i just did raid10 with sata (hardware) 4 disks with ~160mb/sec sustained transfer rate last week |
| 11:11.59 | enouf | 10 ftw |
| 11:12.07 | enouf | but you lose space |
| 11:12.11 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 11:12.29 | cast | since its just a NAS box...hey could drop opensolaris on there! |
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| 11:12.31 | Mazingaro | please I've to do netboot to install debian amd64... Please I downloaded netboot.tar.gz and configured dhcp, bootp and tftp to boot pxelinux.0, but loading timed out. Could anyone help me please? |
| 11:12.34 | neuromancer | hi, all |
| 11:12.46 | dutchfish | ever tried to fix a broken FS 4TB? |
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| 11:12.55 | Mazingaro | TFTP cannot read from connection |
| 11:13.23 | neuromancer | just wanted to check debian's "look and feel"; are there any publicly awailable xservers? |
| 11:13.32 | cast | dutchfish: or to poor guys like me...ever seen 4TB before? :o [hah, someone gave me a XP2600 box today. with a 10gb drive.] |
| 11:13.39 | neuromancer | to connect via xlauch |
| 11:13.48 | cast | neuromancer: i doubt |
| 11:13.55 | cast | neuromancer: maybe try a vm? |
| 11:14.07 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, pxelinux version? |
| 11:14.36 | neuromancer | cast : well, but I'll have to download the whole package... :( |
| 11:14.44 | enouf | Mazingaro: i'd have to guess the pxelinux.0 fle config .. or the server isn't setup right .. hrm |
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| 11:15.46 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, lenny's syslinux doesnt provide a working one curently, i got a newer from upstream that fixed it for me |
| 11:16.09 | enouf | maybe it's kmuto's? |
| 11:16.43 | dutchfish | http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
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| 11:17.43 | enouf | neuromancer: debian-live maybe? |
| 11:18.21 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, or use kernel 2.6.22 |
| 11:18.25 | g00se | Does it have a l & f? |
| 11:18.25 | TiMiDo | moving back to sid |
| 11:18.39 | enouf | install a vm? |
| 11:18.43 | TiMiDo | !vm |
| 11:18.44 | dpkg | i heard vm is at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
| 11:18.54 | TiMiDo | !debia |
| 11:18.55 | TiMiDo | !debian |
| 11:18.56 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:19.04 | TiMiDo | !sid |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 11:19.41 | TiMiDo | !lart apt |
| 11:19.41 | dpkg | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on apt |
| 11:19.44 | TiMiDo | ~lart dpkg |
| 11:19.44 | apt | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, dpkg, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 11:20.04 | TiMiDo | ~gpm |
| 11:20.05 | apt | A mouse server for the console and xterm.. URL: ftp://animal.unipv.it/pub/gpm/gpm-1.18.0.tar.gz |
| 11:20.28 | dutchfish | ~info libc6 lenny |
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| 11:20.43 | TiMiDo | !info waimea unstable |
| 11:20.50 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: which version? |
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| 11:22.06 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, 3.63 |
| 11:22.11 | TiMiDo | !info fluxbox sid |
| 11:22.13 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.0+deb1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1059 kB, Installed size: 3800 kB |
| 11:22.25 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: how can I know that? |
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| 11:23.01 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, you couldnt, i did test it by trial and error |
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| 11:23.24 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: tftp cannot read from connection |
| 11:23.35 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, but you can rapport a bug to debian about it |
| 11:24.01 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, you tftp is setup properly? |
| 11:24.21 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: dmesg report trying to download file |
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| 11:25.50 | vladi__ | hi |
| 11:25.54 | TiMiDo | hey vladi__ |
| 11:26.00 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, and your tftp log? |
| 11:26.27 | TiMiDo | !compiz |
| 11:26.27 | dpkg | compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 11:26.29 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: no tftp log file |
| 11:26.33 | neuromancer | are there 3 dvds to install debian? or i've just looked not in the correct place? |
| 11:26.38 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, do you use tftpd-hpa |
| 11:26.45 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, ? |
| 11:26.46 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: no |
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| 11:27.04 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, mm... that one works out of th ebox (almost) |
| 11:27.40 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, can you manually connect to this tftp server? |
| 11:27.49 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: I will reconfigure tftp-hpa |
| 11:28.06 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 11:30.03 | vladi__ | TiMiDo: :-)I don't really know who to say to... links, links2, elinks browsers don't allow to choose utf encoding (character set) like I did in gentoo. I looked at etch, lenny... |
| 11:31.26 | dutchfish | vladi__, mmm... i normally just run dpkg-reconfigure locales ... and then it works for me with elinks(2) |
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| 11:32.46 | vladi__ | dutchfish: locales fine LANG=ru_RU.UTF8 etc |
| 11:33.08 | dutchfish | vladi__, default locale? |
| 11:33.21 | vladi__ | true |
| 11:33.38 | slxix | are we running textmode or X? |
| 11:33.49 | dutchfish | vladi__, could be a font issue? cyrillic? |
| 11:34.05 | vladi__ | text with framebuffer |
| 11:34.21 | vladi__ | w3m works fine |
| 11:34.26 | TiMiDo | ~framebuffer |
| 11:34.26 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 11:35.05 | TiMiDo | !bf2.4 |
| 11:35.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 11:35.09 | vladi__ | I've no X |
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| 11:36.37 | internat85 | Evening all, i have a question. Apple have an "itunes remote speaker thing" im wondering if anyone knwos of or could suggest something that would allow my debian box to make itunes think its a set of remote speakers |
| 11:37.12 | abrotman | for an itunes box .. or just something like that ? |
| 11:37.12 | vladi__ | among character sets in gentoo links2 there was utf entry. In debian there's no utf entry. That's strange. |
| 11:37.26 | abrotman | vladi__: did you generate that locale ? |
| 11:37.27 | internat85 | yeah for an itunes box |
| 11:37.28 | dutchfish | vladi__, last thing i can think of elinks has a config option UTF-8 I/O wich need to be set |
| 11:37.40 | dutchfish | vladi__, see the manpage |
| 11:37.50 | abrotman | internat85: maybe itunes or amarok .. but i'd ask google |
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| 11:38.15 | internat85 | err |
| 11:38.25 | vladi__ | dutchfish: thanks I'll see to it. BTW in ubuntu hardy the same issue |
| 11:38.41 | internat85 | i dont get what you mean by maybe itunes or amarok.. i want itunes on my computer to "see" my debian box as a remote set of speakers |
| 11:38.50 | dutchfish | vladi__, check the bug pages |
| 11:39.02 | abrotman | internat85: meant rytmthbox or amarok |
| 11:39.11 | vladi__ | dutchfish: url please |
| 11:39.38 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: in.tftpd[13888]: tftp: client does not accept options |
| 11:40.03 | dutchfish | vladi__, http://jonas.nitro.dk/elinks/manual.html & http://packages.debian.org/src:elinks |
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| 11:40.20 | slxix | internat85: google says esd can do it. :) |
| 11:40.21 | vladi__ | thanks |
| 11:40.40 | internat85 | err, dare i ask what you searched for, cause i did go looking before i asked |
| 11:40.43 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, check you dhcp client or dhcp server (option lines) |
| 11:40.56 | abrotman | internat85: "linux remote itunes" ? |
| 11:41.13 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 11:41.16 | slxix | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+itunes+remote+speaker |
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| 11:43.18 | internat85 | are you talking about the macosx hints page? |
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| 11:43.24 | slxix | yes. |
| 11:43.51 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, next-server = x.x.x.x is pointing to the right server? |
| 11:44.05 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:44.08 | internat85 | yeah thats a different solution. thats forcing the sound output from the mac to go via esound on the mac to esd and then out the other box. Ideally im looking for something that "appears" to itunes that says hey there is a remote set of speakers here if you want to use it |
| 11:44.18 | internat85 | much like what mt-daapd does for playlists etc |
| 11:44.34 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, no firewall or proxy in between? |
| 11:44.41 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: no |
| 11:45.03 | Mazingaro | host ATHLON64 { |
| 11:45.03 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.03 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.03 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.03 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.13 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, tftp setup with the right permissions? |
| 11:45.15 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.17 | Mazingaro | } |
| 11:45.19 | Mazingaro | sorry |
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| 11:45.25 | dutchfish | dont paste in here use pastebnin |
| 11:45.30 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 11:45.30 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 11:45.39 | Mazingaro | ok ok |
| 11:45.43 | Mazingaro | sorry |
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| 11:47.41 | enouf | neuromancer: you only need the netinstaller (~200MB), do "/msg dpkg di" and "/msg dpkg etch" in your irc client |
| 11:48.22 | enouf | neuromancer: so long as your inet conn isn't dog slow, or just d/l one cd or one dvd, or use torrents |
| 11:48.41 | abrotman | internat85: that's what itunes does .. it's the same idea AFAICT |
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| 11:50.34 | internat85 | yes but that solution isnt easily portable, ie im looking for something to install on the box with the speakers that makes it appear to itunes as speakers, rather then ahving to goto every computer and configure it to redirect the sound etc |
| 11:50.56 | abrotman | then ask google |
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| 11:51.05 | abrotman | or maybe freshmeat .. |
| 11:51.09 | dutchfish | internat85, delve into avahi ;) |
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| 11:52.14 | enouf | ewwww |
| 11:52.20 | enouf | !mpd |
| 11:52.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mpd is multiple personality disorder or Music Player Daemon: http://www.musicpd.org, packaged in Debian as 'mpd'. #mpd on irc.freenode.net |
| 11:52.28 | dutchfish | i odnt like avahi, but it can do exactly that |
| 11:53.07 | enouf | dutchfish: yep, act like an mpoop puter and tell everyone on the lan "Here i IS!" |
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| 11:53.45 | dutchfish | enouf, yep, so then install a linux L7 firewall, and harness the power of a DMZ zone |
| 11:54.14 | enouf | L7 eh? sounds like a corvette engine :-P |
| 11:54.33 | slxix | internat85: next guess, http://www.bigblueamoeba.com/tmp/airfoilspeakerslinux/ |
| 11:55.11 | dutchfish | its always functionality/security |
| 11:55.18 | neuromancer | what do you prefer on debian - kde or gnome or xfce |
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| 11:55.28 | dutchfish | !pol |
| 11:55.28 | dpkg | hmm... pol is please excuse PoL's shitty keyboard, i'm actually quite good at spelling and pronunciation... |
| 11:55.32 | slxix | neuromancer: who are you talking to? |
| 11:55.39 | maligor | is there a ntp client in lenny? |
| 11:55.47 | maligor | can't seem to find ntpdate atleast |
| 11:55.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:55.50 | dutchfish | maligor, openntpd |
| 11:55.54 | abrotman | apt-cache search ntp |
| 11:56.05 | neuromancer | slxix : anybody - just don't know whick live package to download |
| 11:56.16 | enouf | ntpdate isn't ntp, adn you don't need ntpdate :-) |
| 11:56.24 | maligor | oh? |
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| 11:56.36 | slxix | neuromancer: everybody has their own opinions. roll some dice. |
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| 11:56.41 | enouf | !ntpd |
| 11:56.45 | enouf | !ntp |
| 11:56.45 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 11:56.53 | dutchfish | !openntpd |
| 11:56.56 | dutchfish | mmm |
| 11:57.07 | enouf | dutchfish: time to make a factoid :-P |
| 11:57.07 | neuromancer | slxix : ok, i'll try...) |
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| 11:57.18 | dutchfish | enouf, i made some already |
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| 11:57.33 | enouf | ok, make another then |
| 11:57.39 | dutchfish | enouf, i dont feel to clean up the ones others made |
| 11:57.49 | enouf | right, it's all their fault! |
| 11:57.53 | enouf | !blame others |
| 11:57.53 | dpkg | blames frankie and others for all the evil in the world |
| 11:57.57 | dutchfish | no no |
| 11:58.00 | enouf | :-P |
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| 11:58.06 | dutchfish | thats not what I meant |
| 11:58.09 | slxix | it's all my fault, i accept all responsibility |
| 11:58.10 | enouf | i know |
| 11:58.18 | maligor | slxix, original sin too? |
| 11:58.21 | dutchfish | i dont want to mess in factoids of others |
| 11:58.23 | enouf | dutchfish: dang man, get your sarcasm meter checked :-) |
| 11:58.24 | maligor | you were the one who bit the apple? |
| 11:58.35 | dutchfish | enouf, ++ |
| 11:58.53 | enouf | dutchfish: i try not to mess with ones i don't know anything about O_o |
| 11:59.20 | slxix | maligor: * |
| 11:59.26 | dutchfish | enouf, mm... i need to defragment maybe a bit |
| 11:59.41 | enouf | with pancakes or waffles? |
| 11:59.56 | dutchfish | enouf, no, i nice cup of coffee, brb |
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| 12:00.05 | dutchfish | !coffee enouf |
| 12:00.05 | dpkg | decants a fine mud of Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
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| 12:00.27 | enouf | goes Ahhh!, thanks |
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| 12:01.03 | slxix | chblame -R slxix /* |
| 12:01.04 | enouf | serrupticiously picks out all the blue parts |
| 12:01.30 | maligor | hmm... must be something wrong with my system |
| 12:01.36 | maligor | it's still reporting 1970 |
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| 12:01.59 | abrotman | maligor: you may need an option to slew .. |
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| 12:02.13 | enouf | !set the time |
| 12:02.13 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 12:02.27 | dutchfish | point to the culprit on amd64 lenny -> hwclock |
| 12:02.34 | maligor | no... rather something else |
| 12:02.46 | szachista | hi. Where does checkinstall take infromations like package name, version or description? |
| 12:02.46 | enouf | maligor: you sure your BIOS is not set to 1970 ? |
| 12:02.52 | maligor | adjtime failed: Invalid argument |
| 12:02.53 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: no way |
| 12:02.59 | maligor | the system in question doesn't have a RTC :P |
| 12:03.05 | maligor | or a BIOS |
| 12:03.17 | cast | enouf: it's useless to talk to him, he won't hear you for another 38 years! |
| 12:03.23 | enouf | !hpet |
| 12:03.35 | enouf | cast: haha |
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| 12:03.44 | dutchfish | enouf, HPET & RTC changes in IRQ |
| 12:03.54 | enouf | ACPI and TSC |
| 12:04.22 | maligor | anyway, the platform might be a bit buggy still |
| 12:04.35 | dutchfish | enouf, got it solve dnow on 2.6.25-7 and 2.6.26-rc6 in lenny amd64 |
| 12:04.50 | maligor | just got a 2.6 kernel ported to it a week ago |
| 12:05.03 | enouf | dutchfish: only took what .. 10 kernel versions :-P |
| 12:05.14 | dutchfish | enouf, ~.~ |
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| 12:06.08 | dutchfish | enouf, i am just a user |
| 12:06.21 | enouf | those are sid (and/or vanilla) kernels though |
| 12:06.32 | dutchfish | enouf, i ported them to lenny |
| 12:06.40 | enouf | well .. ported? |
| 12:06.53 | enouf | i run make-kpkg too :-P |
| 12:06.55 | dutchfish | enouf, some patches + some patches _ |
| 12:07.04 | enouf | oh, you had to patch them? |
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| 12:07.11 | dutchfish | enouf, whats the right word for this? |
| 12:07.22 | enouf | patched and ported .. dunno |
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| 12:07.39 | enouf | dutchfish: it depends. did you apply debian patches? |
| 12:07.54 | dutchfish | enouf, yes patched so they works on ll desktops and latency top works (i did aply the ones i flet neccesary yes) |
| 12:08.05 | dutchfish | s/flet/felt |
| 12:08.23 | dutchfish | using libc6 from sid |
| 12:08.35 | enouf | sure, yeah, so you did port them .. i thought originally you just grabbed vanilla and rolled :-) |
| 12:08.51 | dutchfish | enouf, i wished ... sigh |
| 12:09.11 | enouf | well, but libc6 from sid to build only? or installed too? |
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| 12:09.32 | dutchfish | enouf, only nss lins need some firm handling in lenny ... then we are basically there |
| 12:09.37 | dutchfish | s/lins/libs |
| 12:09.55 | enouf | sure, there's your avahi :-P |
| 12:10.32 | dutchfish | enouf, gcc, libc6 and depends |
| 12:10.38 | enouf | dutchfish: i'd just be careful saying "lenny" if you're using libc6 from sid on your install there |
| 12:11.01 | dutchfish | enouf, that version will be in lenny in a few weeks anyway |
| 12:11.12 | enouf | could be, maybe not ;-) |
| 12:11.51 | enouf | that's one HUGE hunk of code for there to be many things wrong with :-p |
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| 12:12.20 | dutchfish | need to run, catch you all later |
| 12:13.08 | enouf | did i offend him? oh well |
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| 12:15.02 | maligor | where was the policy for passwords set |
| 12:15.14 | maligor | it's asking me to reset the password every time I boot because of the clock |
| 12:15.26 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:16.22 | enouf | i forget exactly offhand, /etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d/login and others there?, /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 12:16.46 | maligor | yeah, don't often change them |
| 12:16.53 | maligor | must've been login.defs |
| 12:16.55 | enouf | hrm, maybe a file in /etc/default/* .. but hrm, |
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| 12:17.25 | enouf | well, the /etc/pam.d/ is when shadow is used |
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| 12:29.00 | babilen | hi there.... i have a problem when i try to reboot my computer. it hangs trying to stop portmap.. |
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| 12:29.37 | babilen | i just found a user asking the same question (without being answered) and no bug report discussing this problem... |
| 12:29.59 | babilen | do you have any idea how i can get more information on that issue, as there seems to be no error in the logs. |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | do you use nfs ? |
| 12:31.04 | cb3rob2 | babilen: the bugs in portmap are many.. some have been solved (such as the 16 bit integer file descriptor limit) others haven't :P |
| 12:31.29 | babilen | i do occasionally, but could live without it. i know you are going to suggest me to uninstall portmap, which is not really an option because fam depends on it... |
| 12:31.57 | abrotman | babilen: no, i was going to ask if perhaps the nfs umount was hanging |
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| 12:32.03 | babilen | ah :-) |
| 12:32.40 | cb3rob2 | why bother 'shutting it down' anyway.. just reboot :P |
| 12:32.59 | cb3rob2 | nothing will break if you remove the unmounting of nfs / killing portmap part. |
| 12:33.00 | babilen | no, the error seems to be unrelated to nfs mounts, as it persists if i do not have any nfs mounts.. |
| 12:33.23 | masus | hi dansguardian does not create the configuration files after install with aptitude or create from source ? does aynone know why ? |
| 12:33.28 | abrotman | babilen: and it always happens? every time you reboot ? |
| 12:33.46 | babilen | abrotman: yes, every time i try to reboot. :-( |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | babilen: which version of Debian ? |
| 12:34.05 | babilen | i am running lenny... |
| 12:34.14 | abrotman | babilen: you've checked the BTS? |
| 12:34.35 | abrotman | babilen: what if you /etc/init.d/portmap restart ? |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | babilen: also consider putting a "set -x" after the shebang in the initscript |
| 12:34.53 | babilen | sure i did, but could not really find anything related to that problem. although i might hav overlooked something... |
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| 12:35.37 | PriitM_ | oh wow, how I like turtles |
| 12:35.56 | babilen | restarting the portmap daemon works fine... ah i forgot to mention that just before portmap should be stopped i get an error which complains, that not all processes could be terminated. |
| 12:36.05 | cb3rob2 | want some.. ? they're smelly, they cause salmonella and they're smelly. |
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| 12:36.15 | babilen | abrotman: what will the set -x actually do? |
| 12:36.33 | abrotman | shows the contents of the file as it processes .. roughly |
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| 12:36.59 | babilen | abrotman: so i will see where it actually hangs? |
| 12:37.11 | abrotman | hopefully .. or at least have a better idea |
| 12:37.23 | babilen | ok, i'll try that! good idea! |
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| 12:39.02 | abrotman | uhm .. i wasn't done |
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| 12:40.54 | maligor | I wonder why openntpd was unable to set the date |
| 12:41.15 | abrotman | did you let it slew your clock ? |
| 12:41.36 | maligor | yes |
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| 12:42.20 | maligor | ntpdate from sid works |
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| 12:42.46 | maligor | could just be something incomplete in the platform |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | or you didn't read the docs ? |
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| 12:43.49 | maligor | I don't really want a daemon anyway |
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| 12:45.47 | maligor | abrotman, you mean -s? |
| 12:50.23 | simonrvn | openntpd isn't meant to be used like ntpd |
| 12:50.53 | simonrvn | only meant to keep the clock accurate |
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| 12:56.15 | LimCore | what is a good CPU/mem/temp/etc monitoring program with GUI? Flexible (adding many sensors) etc? |
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| 12:58.11 | wols_ | gkrellm |
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| 13:00.45 | LimCore | tries to think of more hard to memorize name for application then "gkrellm" |
| 13:00.47 | LimCore | fails |
| 13:01.36 | Jygga | you just have to see the pattern ^^ |
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| 13:01.47 | LimCore | wtf if krellm =) ? |
| 13:01.57 | Jygga | its GkrellM |
| 13:02.17 | LimCore | and Gkrell is... ? |
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| 13:03.24 | LimCore | ok, kgresomething is nice, but I want more hmm "scientifig" - detail graphs with history/save.. .perhaps monitoring of single appication etc |
| 13:03.40 | LimCore | i.e. for application development, or tuning system for given workloads |
| 13:04.05 | Jygga | The G is for GTK, or Gimp Toolkit. A krell is a unit of measurement used in the horizontal display of various measurements. If you were monitoring the amplifier in the movie Spinal Tap, for example, while it was running wide open, krells would be seen along the entire length of the meter. Finally, the M is for Monitor. |
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| 13:04.50 | LimCore | oh =) |
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| 13:05.07 | Jygga | those that know where i copypasted that from get a cookie! |
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| 13:05.37 | abrotman | wikipedia! |
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| 13:05.45 | LimCore | youtube! |
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| 13:07.50 | cb3rob2 | arr. |
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| 13:08.15 | kantor | hi, is sownhere in the GNU/Linux system a file that gives information about your IP addresses ? like the /proc/cpuinfo for CPU information |
| 13:08.52 | cb3rob2 | netstat -anpt |
| 13:08.52 | LivingInTwilight | ifconfig? Or are you looking for an actual file? |
| 13:08.52 | LivingInTwilight | I find it entertaining that there are all of these "enterprise" linux distros out there... But not a one of them works at all as well as Debian. |
| 13:08.52 | cb3rob2 | or ifconfig |
| 13:08.58 | kantor | LivingInTwilight, I'm looking for a file |
| 13:09.14 | cb3rob2 | well.. then you just put debian on a cd and put a sticker on it 'enterprise debian' |
| 13:09.25 | cb3rob2 | and make it 8 times as expensive |
| 13:10.05 | LivingInTwilight | Hah, screw that. |
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| 13:11.02 | Nyle | kantor, /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 13:11.12 | Nyle | kantor, you also want to man 5 interfaces |
| 13:11.23 | abrotman | that doesnt' work for dhcp |
| 13:11.41 | kantor | yes :( |
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| 13:12.44 | Nyle | (oh I thought he wanted to have static ip) |
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| 13:13.06 | Spirit_ | hi, i am trying to compile something and i am getting "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lprofiler". i already ran ldconfig with no success. any idea? i guess some symlink is missing or broken, but which? |
| 13:13.42 | abrotman | kantor: it would be in /proc/ or /sys/ if it were there |
| 13:14.20 | kantor | ok |
| 13:14.51 | slxix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:15.46 | asldkjfas | how do i chat encrypted with someone via ssh? |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | talk ? |
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| 13:18.15 | LimCore | asldkjfas: better with OpenPGP. then jabber client, like Kopete |
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| 13:18.32 | ma3x | wtf is U3? I just inserted a usb stick, and it says iso9660 and it mounts it under /media/U3 |
| 13:18.37 | abrotman | i think jabberd used ssl/tls |
| 13:18.53 | Spirit_ | ma3x: hip and fancy prepackage portable program suite |
| 13:19.03 | jaunny | Hi i read a book, and they said about modules that kerneld or kmod deamons are used, i cant find one in my debian etch? |
| 13:19.09 | ma3x | can i write data to it from linux? |
| 13:19.15 | ma3x | a pal just gave it to me and told me the password |
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| 13:19.20 | Spirit_ | no idea |
| 13:19.25 | ma3x | i said 'wtf' never seen usb sticks requiring password |
| 13:19.30 | cb3rob2 | as for the file |
| 13:19.31 | cb3rob2 | rt_cache:eth0 057E1654 057E1654 40000 1 2 |
| 13:19.32 | cb3rob2 | 0 02781654 1500 0 0 10 2 0 02781654 |
| 13:19.45 | cb3rob2 | the 02781654 is your ip in reverse binary order |
| 13:19.46 | asldkjfas | ok i installed pgp now and kopete |
| 13:19.58 | tofaffy | I'm looking for the right debian cd. I want a full installer. Why are there like 21 cd's? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:20.02 | cb3rob2 | it's /proc/net/rt_cache |
| 13:20.14 | wols_ | tofaffy: get CD1 or DVD1 then |
| 13:20.27 | tofaffy | wols_, what is the difference? |
| 13:20.32 | wols_ | to what? |
| 13:20.41 | tofaffy | From like cd 1 and 2 and such |
| 13:20.42 | Nyle | cd1 has less stuff, and dvd1 has more stuff |
| 13:20.46 | Nyle | tofaffy, popcon |
| 13:20.49 | ma3x | how do i write to u3 usb stick? |
| 13:20.52 | asldkjfas | limcore i choose japper in kopete now. what should i do to communicate securely? |
| 13:20.52 | wols_ | each CD has different files |
| 13:20.54 | Nyle | decides what packages go on which cds |
| 13:20.55 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 13:20.55 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 13:20.59 | Nyle | !cd contents |
| 13:20.59 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 13:21.03 | wols_ | full debian is 4 DVDs of stuff |
| 13:21.14 | jaunny | I cant see autoclean flag with lsmod command |
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| 13:21.27 | wols_ | jaunny: what would that do? |
| 13:21.30 | wols_ | especially with lsmod? |
| 13:21.52 | cb3rob2 | yeah but who'd want to install all that stuff :P |
| 13:21.56 | ma3x | can i write data to U3 usb stick on linux? |
| 13:22.14 | Spirit_ | ma3x: just try it :) |
| 13:22.14 | wols_ | ma3x: there is a 2nd partition for one to mount I think |
| 13:22.19 | Nyle | U3? |
| 13:22.19 | enouf | u3? |
| 13:22.27 | Nyle | I've heard of U2 |
| 13:22.31 | Spirit_ | and i think the same what wols_ said |
| 13:22.32 | Nyle | lame band |
| 13:22.39 | ma3x | second parittion? |
| 13:22.40 | enouf | sure, Bono hte Bozo :-P |
| 13:22.46 | jaunny | wols_ the book says that a deamon could install and remove modules automaticaly |
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| 13:22.49 | ma3x | what type? |
| 13:23.06 | wols_ | lsmod is no daemon and it lists loaded modules only |
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| 13:23.10 | jaunny | wols_ how do debian do this? or debian do not do this maybe? |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | ma3x: try asking google or actually looking to see what's on it |
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| 13:23.16 | wols_ | jaunny: it does |
| 13:23.19 | asldkjfas | i installed kopete and jabber |
| 13:23.24 | asldkjfas | how do i communicate securely? |
| 13:23.32 | wols_ | ma3x: how about look for yourself? |
| 13:23.32 | ma3x | abrotman: it has autorun.inf Launchpad.zip LaunchU3.exe |
| 13:23.40 | jaunny | wols_ my book is too old? what process do this job? |
| 13:23.40 | wols_ | you have the stick and the partition, not us |
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| 13:23.51 | wols_ | jaunny: kernel. |
| 13:23.58 | ma3x | so how do i look what's on it? |
| 13:23.59 | ma3x | what partitions |
| 13:24.00 | abrotman | ma3x: it's a windows thing .. not our problem |
| 13:24.07 | ma3x | i mounted it and it mounts only as iso9660 |
| 13:24.12 | wols_ | ma3x: a partition on your frigging usb stick |
| 13:24.13 | ma3x | containing those files i pasted earlier |
| 13:24.17 | fnmueller | abrotman: it's a highly crappy windows thing |
| 13:24.29 | ma3x | wols_: how can you list the partitions? i just tried with parted, it doenst list anything |
| 13:24.42 | wols_ | ma3x: tried fdisk? /proc/partitions? |
| 13:24.45 | Nyle | aaaaaahhhh boy (what kinda usb stick is this) |
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| 13:25.02 | fnmueller | ma3x: either reformat the stick loosing the U3 functionallity (good) or don't use the stick under linux |
| 13:25.12 | wols_ | Nyle: sandisk |
| 13:25.20 | Nyle | how come you can't just mount it as what it is, probably vfat |
| 13:25.25 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 13:25.32 | Nyle | is sandisk supposed to not work in linux or something? |
| 13:25.33 | Nyle | wtf |
| 13:25.41 | wols_ | U3 is not |
| 13:25.42 | fnmueller | Nyle: it's U3 == highly proprietary pseudo encrypted stuff |
| 13:25.45 | wols_ | see u3.com |
| 13:25.46 | Nyle | oh |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | not part of debian ... |
| 13:25.55 | Nyle | ok |
| 13:26.09 | ma3x | is u3 microsoft thing? |
| 13:26.09 | wols_ | abrotman: neither are windows95 vfat disks. we still want to mount them |
| 13:26.16 | ma3x | or a windows thing? |
| 13:26.19 | Spirit_ | windows |
| 13:26.21 | abrotman | wols_: but we don't ask about the contents |
| 13:26.32 | wols_ | no it's not. but: since you need a password to access this usb stick there is no way for you to use it |
| 13:26.40 | ma3x | i know the password |
| 13:26.43 | ma3x | but where do i enter it? |
| 13:26.44 | wols_ | but we help mount it if possible |
| 13:26.45 | fnmueller | ma3x: neither, U3 decided to only support windows platforms except visat |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | wols_: only ma3x comes here every time he has any technology question, even if it has nothing to do with Debian |
| 13:26.48 | hifi | in which package I would find the complete manual pages for socket functions, connect(2), recv(2) etc |
| 13:26.54 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 13:26.54 | wols_ | ma3x: but your linux doesn't know the algorithm for the pw duh! |
| 13:27.00 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:27.05 | wols_ | abrotman: of course he does. |
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| 13:27.17 | Nyle | remembers writing a few riffs to a song called ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
| 13:27.20 | Nyle | I still have it ;) |
| 13:27.30 | joako | hi, i kind new in this linux world, and got some questions. i just install proftp so i can transfer some files via internet. but i can see those files just from my local network not from an outside connection..what' wrong?what im missing? |
| 13:27.45 | Nyle | joako, NAT? |
| 13:27.48 | Nyle | joako, router much? |
| 13:27.50 | ma3x | so you can't write to u3 on linux? point |
| 13:27.52 | hifi | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:27.53 | wols_ | Nyle: that starts to be ad hominem. I wouldn't continue, for several reasons |
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| 13:28.00 | abrotman | ma3x: stop already |
| 13:28.08 | Nyle | its not ad hominem, I know him and we go back a long way... |
| 13:28.26 | wols_ | joako: port forwards. don't use ftp, use scp via ssh |
| 13:28.48 | Nyle | joako, you have a router? maybe visit portforward.com (I would try vsftpd instead of anything else) |
| 13:29.00 | joako | ok |
| 13:29.01 | Nyle | jaunny, you want to forward TCP/21 |
| 13:29.03 | ma3x | stop what? you can or you can't write on u3 under linux? |
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| 13:29.07 | joako | yes i have a router. |
| 13:29.20 | Spirit_ | i guess: no-one here knows and no-one will do the research for you :) |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | ma3x: you've been told numerous times it is a windows app .. |
| 13:29.22 | enouf | ma3x: ask the u3 idiots |
| 13:29.32 | Nyle | ma3x, call u3 tech support |
| 13:29.36 | fnmueller | ma3x: as I said, either reformat as vfat, or do not use under any OS that is not Windows |
| 13:29.42 | cb3rob2 | a 'u3 usb stick' is simply a usb stick with an iso9660 partition on it instead of ext2/3,fat/etc.. and it has an autorun.inf file for wintendo to execute programs.. so i don't see why you can't do it on linux..or any other operating system. |
| 13:29.46 | cb3rob2 | period |
| 13:29.49 | Nyle | !u3 |
| 13:29.56 | ma3x | so this u3 is something like a filesystem right? |
| 13:29.57 | Nyle | ok |
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| 13:30.14 | ma3x | if the disk was mine, i'd reformatt it with vfat |
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| 13:30.30 | ma3x | makes absolutely no sense to use it only on windows |
| 13:30.32 | wols_ | cb3rob2: ever tried to write to a iso9660 partition like it were a disk? |
| 13:30.41 | cb3rob2 | wols: mount -o loop ? :P |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | you can't write |
| 13:30.52 | enouf | cb3rob2: aha! .. some fool was asking me how to mount this STUPID Piece of Crap that was a USB Stick, but appeared as a CDROM drive in all the udevinfo rules and shit |
| 13:30.52 | cb3rob2 | you have to like.. uh.. dd it first to a file maybe and then back |
| 13:30.57 | jaunny | Nyle i dont understand what is TCP/21 |
| 13:31.07 | Nyle | dpkg u3 is U3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems. |
| 13:31.08 | dpkg | Nyle: what are you talking about? |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:31.15 | Nyle | dpkg U3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems. |
| 13:31.16 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 13:31.21 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:31.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:31.26 | aleksanteri | heh |
| 13:31.27 | wols_ | cb3rob2: hint, the iso9660 is only a few MB in size on a stick of several GB |
| 13:31.47 | cb3rob2 | wols: doesnt' mean the rest of it is used. |
| 13:31.51 | cb3rob2 | could just be empty |
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| 13:31.57 | cb3rob2 | just like on normal cds |
| 13:32.08 | Nyle | Judgen__, TCP port 21 is used for ftp communication |
| 13:32.12 | Nyle | fuck |
| 13:32.12 | enouf | Nyle: attaboy |
| 13:32.14 | wols_ | if the filesystem is only a few MB, there is nothing empty, duh! |
| 13:32.16 | Nyle | jaunny, ^^ |
| 13:32.22 | fnmueller | cb3rob2: well, there should not be any space left as all is taken by the U3 partition |
| 13:32.26 | wols_ | cb3rob2: just shut up if you don't have a clue or google first |
| 13:32.34 | enouf | jaunny: cat /etc/services |
| 13:32.36 | abrotman | hi .. U3 not in Debian .. not ontopic |
| 13:32.40 | enouf | jaunny: or less it |
| 13:32.43 | fnmueller | cb3rob2: U3 itsself is small, but U3 still takes all the space for the encrypted partition afaik |
| 13:32.57 | jaunny | Nyle, in fact i would like to only use port80 on simple computers, i beleive the more the mess the more the internet adventure will stop |
| 13:33.13 | wols_ | jaunny: english please |
| 13:33.26 | Nyle | jaunny, depending on your isp, you couldh ave 25/80/8080/3128 blocked |
| 13:33.27 | Nyle | including others |
| 13:33.45 | Nyle | but most isps block port 80 for obvious reasons, they don't want residential custoemrs runnign webservers |
| 13:34.00 | wols_ | jaunny: if you want to know what tcp ports are read a bout about tcp/ip or go to #networking |
| 13:34.05 | Spirit_ | jaunny: if you just want to allow some people do download from you, try lighttpd. that's a small http server and well working for such things |
| 13:34.19 | cast | thttpd is also pretty good! |
| 13:34.22 | Nyle | !vsftpd |
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| 13:34.22 | dpkg | well, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 13:34.23 | cb3rob2 | most isps also block that windows crap |
| 13:34.28 | cb3rob2 | port 135-139 |
| 13:34.44 | cb3rob2 | they don't want you doing 'network neighborhood' to all your neighbors either heeh |
| 13:35.00 | enouf | Nyle: and ... ? and what? :-P |
| 13:35.07 | Nyle | and you suck! |
| 13:35.09 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:35.13 | enouf | haha |
| 13:35.25 | cb3rob2 | no enouf is cutie. |
| 13:35.27 | enouf | you buffoon .. clean up that mess |
| 13:35.28 | cb3rob2 | licks enouf |
| 13:35.35 | cast | enouf: you're in! |
| 13:35.36 | enouf | mounts cb3rob2 |
| 13:35.46 | Nyle | enouf, tag. you're it. fix the factoid. |
| 13:36.09 | enouf | Nyle: i can make up shit if you like :-P |
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| 13:36.31 | jaunny | Spirit_ i dont want ppl to download, just learning apache |
| 13:36.33 | Nyle | dpkg vsftpd =~ s/openbsd.org and .../openbsd.org/ |
| 13:36.33 | dpkg | Nyle: that doesn't contain 'openbsd.org and ...' |
| 13:36.36 | Nyle | doh |
| 13:36.40 | Nyle | fuck it whatever |
| 13:36.47 | enouf | heh |
| 13:36.52 | enouf | !fail Nyle |
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| 13:37.08 | enouf | Nyle: good job on the u3 crapola though |
| 13:37.13 | Nyle | eh |
| 13:37.19 | Nyle | copy/pated from wikipedia |
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| 13:37.48 | Nyle | I really just wanted to include it in bright flashign colors |
| 13:37.50 | enouf | thank goodness crap can be defined with only 2 letters :-P |
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| 13:37.57 | Nyle | DOES NOT WORK ON ANYTHING BUT RECENT WINDOWS OS |
| 13:37.59 | Nyle | oops |
| 13:38.13 | Nyle | on.. I meant all caps |
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| 13:38.18 | masus | hi all, anyone know where can i change the preferences "system wide" for all users of iceweasel in *debian*. Thanks All. |
| 13:38.21 | masus | for example the home page :/ |
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| 13:38.45 | Nyle | masus, hmm that is a good question |
| 13:39.22 | wols_ | masus: check /etc? |
| 13:39.37 | masus | wols_: i have check but nothing found |
| 13:39.42 | enouf | Nyle: now, if stupid hardware vendors would make something of unique letters so you can actually search for it and find info about it (instead of stupid ALi) .. |
| 13:39.53 | enouf | ahh no wonder they renamed to ULi :-) |
| 13:39.58 | Nyle | Ali G |
| 13:40.00 | Nyle | Booyakasha |
| 13:40.13 | masus | Nyle: do u have an idea ? |
| 13:40.19 | Nyle | im thinking |
| 13:40.23 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 13:40.23 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 starving weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:40.23 | masus | ok |
| 13:40.36 | Nyle | i don't knwo much, but the only thing I can think of is that you may have to rebuild the package |
| 13:40.44 | Nyle | masus, dpkg -L iceweasel |
| 13:40.49 | Nyle | I see nothing |
| 13:41.11 | jaunny | no, i dont allow ftp communication, i have nothing to upload !! |
| 13:41.15 | masus | i see a lot |
| 13:41.15 | Nyle | you should start with /usr/share/doc/iceweasel |
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| 13:41.36 | Nyle | masus, nothing as in nothing relevant |
| 13:41.55 | Nyle | /usr/share/iceweasel/defaults/profile |
| 13:41.57 | Nyle | maybe |
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| 13:43.09 | enouf | masus: doesn't --profilemanager ask if you want to copy settings or some crap? |
| 13:43.27 | enouf | if that's the case, you'll need to neuter that |
| 13:43.36 | masus | enouf: where is the profilemanager or how to use it ? |
| 13:43.37 | Nyle | browser.startup.homepage=http://www.mozilla.org/projects/granparadiso/ |
| 13:43.40 | Nyle | here |
| 13:43.40 | Nyle | it is |
| 13:43.55 | Nyle | stoned@laptop 0.00 /usr/share/iceweasel 2 files using 29k |
| 13:44.01 | Nyle | $>ls -l browserconfig.properties |
| 13:44.04 | joako | anyway to set a static ip in debian? |
| 13:44.10 | Nyle | !static ip |
| 13:44.19 | wols_ | !tell joako about interfaces |
| 13:44.21 | Nyle | joako, yes, man 5 interfaces |
| 13:44.27 | enouf | masus: i don't even use Firepoop, but i recall it from old mozilla days, might be Iceweasel --profile-manager or similar |
| 13:44.39 | Nyle | try this first |
| 13:44.49 | Nyle | this seems to control the default home page globally I think |
| 13:44.58 | masus | Nyle: Thank u very much i'll try |
| 13:45.00 | Nyle | in /usr/share/iceweasel/browserconfig.properties |
| 13:45.01 | masus | and enough |
| 13:45.08 | enouf | masus: i mean really, isn't there some docs or a man page or something? |
| 13:45.40 | masus | Nyle: it works thanks |
| 13:45.46 | Nyle | yup |
| 13:45.50 | enouf | masus: maybe you're looking for a Kiosk? |
| 13:45.53 | enouf | or kiosk mode? |
| 13:45.54 | Nyle | learn to research better :) |
| 13:46.10 | Nyle | mabye my searching ability comes from skittles |
| 13:46.13 | Nyle | who kows |
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| 13:47.26 | masus | enouf: it's an ltsp server |
| 13:47.41 | masus | but if you know something about kiosk mode i'll have to learn |
| 13:47.46 | Nyle | masus, /me is currently trying compiz-fusion over the network |
| 13:48.29 | masus | Nyle: an window manager ? |
| 13:48.39 | Nyle | 3d accelerated wm |
| 13:48.59 | Nyle | yes, local 3d enabled Xserver + remote compiz-fusion |
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| 13:49.46 | masus | will it run on terminal clients |
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| 13:49.58 | Nyle | thats exactly what I'm trying to accomoplisyh |
| 13:49.59 | soulchild | Hi all,... i have Problems with my Notebook Hotkeys, I use lenny,... what's the easiest way configuring ? |
| 13:50.05 | Nyle | so far I know one guy did it in #compiz-fusion |
| 13:50.27 | Nyle | soulchild, hmm... perhaps keytouch? |
| 13:50.28 | enouf | soulchild: this is all i know http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
| 13:50.32 | Nyle | soulchild, which keys/ |
| 13:50.53 | Nyle | !keytouch |
| 13:50.53 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the <multimedia keys> on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html, or in the debian package keytouch. |
| 13:51.29 | soulchild | Nyle: like Fn+Down for VOlume Control or (IMPORTANT) Fn+PageUp for "Home" |
| 13:51.31 | masus | Nyle: looks nice |
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| 13:52.25 | Nyle | yeh you don't want keytouch for those |
| 13:52.31 | Nyle | see what link enouf gave |
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| 13:52.44 | Nyle | masus, I love it |
| 13:52.54 | Nyle | not only does it look good, its actually very good to use too |
| 13:53.03 | Nyle | lots of great features |
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| 13:53.24 | masus | which distro do u use ? debian etch ? |
| 13:53.33 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:53.40 | Nyle | I use all 3 debians |
| 13:53.52 | Nyle | well not so much testing |
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| 13:53.58 | Nyle | but stable and unstable mostly |
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| 13:54.22 | masus | where to start with compiz-fusion |
| 13:54.29 | masus | for debian etch |
| 13:54.35 | masus | the best way |
| 13:54.37 | Nyle | masus, !compiz-fusion |
| 13:54.40 | Nyle | doh |
| 13:54.40 | masus | and short way ;) |
| 13:54.44 | Nyle | #compiz-fusion |
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| 13:55.04 | Nyle | they have debian specific install guides and 3rd party compiz-fusion packages for stable too I think |
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| 13:55.23 | masus | oh ok i'll try it tomorrow thank u very much |
| 13:55.29 | Nyle | sure |
| 13:55.30 | masus | have a nice day all |
| 13:55.56 | masus | and thank u too enough and wols_ .. |
| 13:55.57 | masus | by |
| 13:56.00 | Nyle | I like Debian (tm) GNU\Linux instead of one without the tm |
| 13:56.12 | Nyle | tm makes it like stand out and look cool like all the other big boys |
| 13:56.16 | Nyle | and its not inaccurate |
| 13:56.39 | enouf | what a nice presence that masus is .. |
| 13:57.01 | Nyle | I like nice people |
| 13:57.09 | enouf | s/nice/pleasant |
| 13:57.15 | Nyle | I've learned to appreciate them even more since I moved to nyc |
| 13:57.26 | Nyle | cuz you hardly ever find anyone nice/pleasant here |
| 13:57.31 | cb3rob2 | i only like cutie boys. |
| 13:57.31 | enouf | hehe, you paki derm :-p |
| 13:57.39 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 13:57.41 | cb3rob2 | paki paki paki |
| 13:57.46 | cb3rob2 | arr paki |
| 13:57.47 | enouf | stop cb3rob2 |
| 13:57.47 | cb3rob2 | err pirate |
| 13:57.56 | cb3rob2 | :P |
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| 13:59.08 | Nyle | skittles for breakfast |
| 13:59.22 | Nyle | nah I'll get golden grahams and choc. milk thats my fav |
| 13:59.38 | Nyle | c'mon saturday morning people |
| 13:59.39 | Nyle | wake up! |
| 13:59.41 | cb3rob2 | how does any of that |
| 13:59.43 | cb3rob2 | relate to debian |
| 13:59.44 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 13:59.50 | Nyle | it does not relate to debian |
| 13:59.56 | Nyle | but debian is dead atm with support questions |
| 13:59.57 | abrotman | how about both of you go to #debian-offtopic ? |
| 14:01.01 | cb3rob2 | how about 'i'm already there but noone's talking' |
| 14:01.05 | Nyle | but yes it can turn into a shitstorm, 1 person does OT, and then another joins, and another thinks its ok, and another one goes and it turns into a shitstorm |
| 14:01.23 | Nyle | cb3rob2, hes right. |
| 14:01.27 | cb3rob2 | oh noes.. there will be anarchy |
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| 14:01.41 | stew | trust Nyle, he'd know, he's often right in the middle of said shitstorm |
| 14:01.53 | Nyle | hehehe :D |
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| 14:02.17 | Nyle | yup I'm guilty |
| 14:02.31 | Nyle | but I'm working on it |
| 14:02.32 | abrotman | and yet .. you've still not join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:02.38 | streuner | hands Nyle some short gloves ;-) |
| 14:03.10 | Nyle | fine! |
| 14:03.34 | Nyle | biker gloves are nice where your fingers stick out |
| 14:03.58 | cb3rob2 | hands nyle the oil |
| 14:04.07 | Nyle | you know what |
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| 14:04.10 | Nyle | why the fuck not |
| 14:04.15 | Nyle | join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:04.20 | streuner | damn, gnash is a PITA to compile |
| 14:04.45 | streuner | how long does it need? |
| 14:04.54 | streuner | 1.4 Ghz CPU sucks |
| 14:04.56 | cb3rob2 | it worked! nyle is successfully installed on #debian-offtopic |
| 14:05.07 | wols_ | streuner: CVS? let us now how good (or badly) or works |
| 14:05.08 | slxix | eww.. malware! |
| 14:05.24 | wols_ | s/or/it |
| 14:05.29 | streuner | wols_: 0.8.3 of gnu.org/software/gnash |
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| 14:05.53 | Nyle | streuner, I'm on the lookout for some stuff too |
| 14:06.00 | cb3rob2 | good thing about this channel is that there is no wols_ :P |
| 14:06.02 | Nyle | like enterprise inventory managmenet solution |
| 14:06.17 | Mazingaro | ok done! |
| 14:06.23 | Nyle | cb3rob2, please stop. |
| 14:06.27 | Mazingaro | installing debian amd64 on my new monster machine |
| 14:06.29 | Mazingaro | :) |
| 14:06.30 | streuner | cb3rob2: welcome in club, we like all wols ;-) |
| 14:06.39 | Nyle | he is a good dude and he helps out A LOT more than you could ever dream of. |
| 14:06.54 | cast | wols_ <3 |
| 14:06.57 | Nyle | he can be a serious prick at times but thats everybody |
| 14:07.03 | Nyle | aint no big deal |
| 14:07.07 | Nyle | see what cast said |
| 14:07.10 | cb3rob2 | hmm |
| 14:07.18 | cb3rob2 | is he cute? |
| 14:07.21 | cb3rob2 | pic? |
| 14:07.22 | cb3rob2 | a/s/l |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | hey .. drop it |
| 14:08.00 | asg | abrotman: maybe it'll grow up when its balls do drop |
| 14:08.12 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 14:08.33 | Nyle | asg, "remind me to ask the doctor when my other testicle is going to descend" |
| 14:09.01 | asg | Nyle: you know, there's always at(1) |
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| 14:09.41 | beardy | at now+ballfall? |
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| 14:10.16 | asg | beardy: echo 'remind me to ask the doctor' | at 6am tomorrow |
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| 14:10.59 | beardy | asg: I prefer the interactive one job per line, but sure. |
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| 14:14.12 | Nyle | (it was a line from family guys, when stewie was going for a regular baby checkup) |
| 14:14.22 | Nyle | "Family Guy" |
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| 14:15.39 | cb3rob2 | once more, you are: off topic. |
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| 14:16.37 | streuner | drop it, if you are bored do something else |
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| 14:21.33 | joako | You'll get a message that it's restarting the network interface, then you'll get booted off ssh (because the IP changed) so reconnect using the new IP and it should work.......how do i reconnect?any command? |
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| 14:21.59 | abrotman | ssh <newIP> ? |
| 14:22.12 | joako | thanks |
| 14:22.23 | asg | *facepalm* |
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| 14:22.43 | cast | lmao. |
| 14:23.00 | cb3rob2 | joako: chances are ofcourse, that your ssh session is terminated before the new ip comes up and/or the routes are set and then you're screwed :P |
| 14:23.06 | cb3rob2 | so generally it's better to do it with a reboot |
| 14:24.09 | cb3rob2 | (or over serial console or another interface/ip) |
| 14:24.15 | abrotman | or he's already gone |
| 14:24.16 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, i wonder if ssh cna piggy back? |
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| 14:24.29 | wols_ | piggy back? |
| 14:24.43 | cb3rob2 | piggy back? |
| 14:24.50 | crashanddie | piggy back? |
| 14:24.51 | Nyle | the back of a piggy |
| 14:24.56 | Nyle | wtf is the amtter with you people |
| 14:24.58 | enouf | Pork and Beans? |
| 14:25.04 | dutchfish | reconnect initiated by the ssh-server on the other side? |
| 14:25.15 | crashanddie | of course not |
| 14:25.16 | cb3rob2 | no. |
| 14:25.20 | wols_ | why would servers initiate ssh connections? |
| 14:25.23 | cb3rob2 | it's not dialback :P it's ssh :P |
| 14:25.30 | dutchfish | wols_, only on connectionloss |
| 14:25.42 | wols_ | dutchfish: there is no one listening on the other side. it's a client... |
| 14:25.50 | crashanddie | connection loss == unable to send stuff to client, no client, no point in connecting again |
| 14:25.58 | dutchfish | wols_, right |
| 14:26.07 | cb3rob2 | and there is no icmp type for 'my ip changed, please continue this tcp stream with destination ip bla' |
| 14:26.08 | cb3rob2 | :P |
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| 14:26.17 | cb3rob2 | luckily as that would make stuff rather insecure :P |
| 14:26.19 | crashanddie | luckily |
| 14:26.22 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, ok, just a thought |
| 14:26.28 | cb3rob2 | the next-hop thing already is dengerous enough :P |
| 14:26.34 | enouf | just because the client is waiting doesn';t mean it doesn;t need some lovin :-P |
| 14:26.35 | cb3rob2 | dangerous that is |
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| 14:28.13 | hoxu | ssh tip of the day: |
| 14:28.14 | dutchfish | mmm... contrack can do this |
| 14:28.15 | hoxu | !controlmaster |
| 14:28.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, controlmaster is to reuse a single ssh connection without the need to login multiple times, add "ControlMaster auto" and "ControlPath ~/.ssh/master-%r@%h:%p" to ~/.ssh/config after "Host *" |
| 14:28.48 | cast | hmm |
| 14:28.58 | cb3rob2 | why not just use screen. |
| 14:28.59 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 14:29.06 | enouf | mm.. now that's some thoughtful lovin :-) |
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| 14:29.26 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 14:29.26 | dpkg | well, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 14:29.35 | cast | because you want to save 1 key press in vim when incrementing vairables |
| 14:29.44 | enouf | yeah, that doesn't help if the IP changes |
| 14:30.20 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry what was the initial q, i just dropped in th emiddle |
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| 14:30.36 | cast | 'emote filename completion in a shell such as bash or zsh, ' that's a handy use for controlmaster |
| 14:31.06 | cb3rob2 | you can ofcourse just set up openvpn in udp mode and persist tun device.. with your client side being the 'server' (as in remote address 0.0.0.0) |
| 14:31.17 | cb3rob2 | and then your ssh connection will just stay open. :P |
| 14:31.22 | cast | when using tab completion for scp in zsh, takes a while |
| 14:31.42 | cb3rob2 | even if the box-with-sshd changes it's ip. |
| 14:31.50 | cb3rob2 | (as long as persist tun is turned on) |
| 14:31.54 | enouf | dutchfish: sorry, i was just commenting on tjhat factoid .. but i could be mistaken |
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| 14:32.19 | hoxu | very handy for stuff like version control utils that need SSH for a short file every now and then |
| 14:32.26 | shadfc | i just upgraded an old box to etch for a friend of mine and everything went fine except trying to get libapache2-svn working. dpkg keeps failing on it saying that "This module does not exist!" Any ideas on how to fix this? I've removed it via aptitude and then reinstalled, but no change |
| 14:32.45 | cb3rob2 | hmm.. why don't we just nuke the sun and get electric heating.. |
| 14:32.51 | cb3rob2 | stupid thing always shining in my monitor :/ |
| 14:32.54 | hoxu | shadfc, show us the full output of the command you run, and the command itself |
| 14:33.05 | shadfc | hoxu: ok, one sec. |
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| 14:34.26 | shadfc | hoxu: http://dpaste.com/57968/ |
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| 14:35.25 | ikelly | i used wipe to clean a disk, but now it isn't recognised in the laptop it was from. i can use it with an external usb chassis though. anyone know what's wrong with it? |
| 14:36.00 | hoxu | shadfc, what branch/version of debian is it? |
| 14:36.01 | cast | awesome! 3.7 seconds down to 0.5 seconds to ssh from au to us |
| 14:36.05 | hoxu | shadfc, etch :) |
| 14:36.29 | shadfc | hoxu: yeah etch, just did the dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 14:36.30 | Dewi | ikelly: recognised by the linux kernel on boot? |
| 14:36.41 | dutchfish | ikelly, does this laptop need a util partition, wich was accendently deleted? |
| 14:36.55 | wols_ | shadfc: full error. cause dpkg doesn't say this |
| 14:37.02 | ikelly | Dewi: recognised by bios |
| 14:37.05 | shadfc | hoxu: no unofficial packages except clamav from volatile |
| 14:37.22 | Dewi | ikelly: IDE or SATA? |
| 14:37.24 | ikelly | dutchfish: possible. it's a hp. |
| 14:37.26 | ikelly | IDE |
| 14:37.33 | shadfc | wols_: sorry, i dont understand |
| 14:37.46 | wols_ | shadfc: full command you used and its full output |
| 14:37.47 | hoxu | shadfc, you could take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-svn.postinst and see where it prints that text |
| 14:37.50 | Dewi | ikelly: why do you need it to be in the bios? |
| 14:37.51 | ikelly | dutchfish: actually, no, because my other disk, which doesn't have util partition is recognised fine |
| 14:37.53 | wols_ | in a pastebin |
| 14:38.14 | hoxu | wols_, http://dpaste.com/57968/ ? |
| 14:38.15 | shadfc | wols_: http://dpaste.com/57968/ |
| 14:38.24 | ikelly | Dewi: installer doesn't see it either |
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| 14:39.11 | dutchfish | ikelly, does the bios have auto on this adapter or is it manually set? |
| 14:39.13 | Dewi | ikelly: does it have a partition table at all? |
| 14:39.22 | shadfc | hoxu: the postinst file is just a script to do an a2enmod |
| 14:39.41 | wols_ | shadfc: and the name of the module it tries to a2enmod? |
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| 14:39.54 | shadfc | dav_svn |
| 14:40.21 | hoxu | hrmh, weird |
| 14:40.23 | Dewi | ikelly: and everything else in that sector that contains the partition table... |
| 14:40.42 | ikelly | mbr and partition table it there |
| 14:40.54 | ikelly | what else is suppoesd to be? |
| 14:41.01 | Dewi | ikelly: none of this should affect probing |
| 14:41.09 | Dewi | ikelly: I'm just trying to isolate what is special about this disk |
| 14:41.24 | hoxu | shadfc, try purging the package and install again |
| 14:41.27 | dutchfish | ikelly, broken? |
| 14:41.32 | ikelly | dutchfish: set to master according to pins |
| 14:41.32 | Dewi | ikelly: do you have the master/slave jumper set correctly? |
| 14:41.40 | ikelly | dutchfish: works with usb external chassis |
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| 14:42.10 | dutchfish | ikelly, does the bios have auto on this adapter or is it manually set? |
| 14:42.23 | ikelly | auto |
| 14:42.25 | shadfc | hoxu: pff, that worked |
| 14:42.49 | Dewi | dutchfish: does debian installer care what the bios does? |
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| 14:43.09 | pablo | hi, can it be that debian doesnt detects the correct amount of ram? |
| 14:43.16 | dutchfish | Dewi, not the installer but the first boot yes |
| 14:43.42 | cahoot | pablo: if more than 1 gig it might be so with wrong kernel |
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| 14:44.11 | pablo | cahoot: nop, less |
| 14:44.23 | hoxu | shadfc, I suspect you ran out of disk space when trying to install it last time, and it didn't reinstall the files in /etc or something along that line |
| 14:44.41 | shadfc | hoxu: na, plenty of gigs free |
| 14:44.48 | shadfc | single partition |
| 14:44.55 | dutchfish | ikelly, did you try with a kline nodma ? |
| 14:45.06 | hoxu | shadfc, hhrmh, then possibly sarge->etch upgrade problem? |
| 14:45.11 | ikelly | kline nodma? |
| 14:45.34 | dutchfish | ikelly, kernel line to disable dma |
| 14:45.46 | shadfc | hoxu: perhaps. i was looing at the modules directory for apache2 right before i purged and the dav modules were much older than the others (2006 old) |
| 14:45.58 | ikelly | ah, no OS on box yet, as it doesn't recognise the disk |
| 14:46.10 | shadfc | dunno if the guy had installed some backport or something under sarge and the upgrade didnt whack it |
| 14:46.46 | pablo | cahoot: it says 321140k when it should be 448 mb |
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| 14:46.51 | dutchfish | ikelly, i meant during boot of the installer cd |
| 14:47.01 | hoxu | shadfc, hmm, possibly the conf files in sarge were removed manually and the upgrade didn't reinstall them, then failing... anyway, good thing it works |
| 14:47.15 | shadfc | hoxu: yup, thanks for the help |
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| 14:48.03 | ikelly | dutchfish: doing net install, will check now |
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| 14:49.03 | pablo | hi, the os says i have it says 321140k when it should be 448 mb, what can be brong? |
| 14:49.07 | pablo | wrong |
| 14:49.19 | dutchfish | ikelly, the form should be ide=nodma |
| 14:49.20 | hoxu | pablo, you have... what? |
| 14:49.41 | dutchfish | ikelly, just as a test |
| 14:49.59 | cb3rob2 | the nodma stuff doesn't work properly |
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| 14:50.06 | cb3rob2 | on some CF card interfaces it still complains |
| 14:50.09 | cb3rob2 | with kernel 2.6 |
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| 14:50.28 | pablo | hoxu: debian detects 321140k ok ram when there shoud be 448mb |
| 14:50.32 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, to my finding it works on etch/lenny i386 |
| 14:50.50 | cb3rob2 | dutchfish: to my finding it doesn't work on etch (4.0) |
| 14:51.30 | cb3rob2 | well.. it works.. if the disk doesn't report to support dma.. and then it's not wired or something else is broken and it just keeps trying anyway |
| 14:51.35 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, try ide=reverse |
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| 14:51.48 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, ;) |
| 14:52.00 | hoxu | pablo, how did you check? |
| 14:52.37 | cb3rob2 | ide=reverse appearantly is obsolete |
| 14:52.37 | pablo | hoxu: top, free |
| 14:52.50 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, yep, on lenny it is |
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| 14:52.55 | pablo | hoxu: cat procmeminfo |
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| 14:53.11 | cb3rob2 | just hook up a compactflash card as an ide drive and try :P |
| 14:53.17 | cb3rob2 | it'll just go bla bla dma timeout anyway |
| 14:53.30 | cb3rob2 | with or without nodma setting. |
| 14:53.36 | hoxu | pablo, other OS/livecd detects it fine? |
| 14:53.43 | cb3rob2 | (the same disk ofcourse works fine with dos and wintendo etc ;) |
| 14:53.48 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, funny i have it working |
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| 14:53.58 | cb3rob2 | other interface with dma wires present probably :P |
| 14:54.02 | pablo | hoxu: i have to check that |
| 14:54.12 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, prolly |
| 14:54.20 | pablo | hoxu: but the bios detects it fine |
| 14:54.38 | Dewi | cb3rob2: you have an IDE compactflash drive? |
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| 14:54.46 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, intel chipset? |
| 14:54.59 | Dewi | cb3rob2: or is the IDE some kind of strange emulation thing? |
| 14:55.02 | cb3rob2 | via i think |
| 14:55.08 | cb3rob2 | it's some tv set top box |
| 14:55.20 | cb3rob2 | well.. it was a tv set top box that is :P |
| 14:55.21 | dutchfish | arghh via .. now shoot me |
| 14:55.27 | cb3rob2 | it now is a smartcard programmer :P |
| 14:55.52 | dutchfish | lol |
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| 15:01.43 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with debian and asus m2n: if I put 2.6.24-1 I got audio but not ethernet, if I put 2.6.18 I got ethernet but no audio :( buahah |
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| 15:02.14 | cahoot | choices choices |
| 15:02.17 | cast | m2n-e? |
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| 15:02.57 | Mazingaro | cast: m2n only |
| 15:03.27 | cast | ahh. |
| 15:03.39 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 15:03.50 | cast | so when you load forcedeth on .24 what happens? |
| 15:04.07 | Mazingaro | cast: nothing |
| 15:04.26 | cahoot | dmesg? |
| 15:04.27 | Mazingaro | cast: ifup eth0 generates SIOC error |
| 15:04.33 | Mazingaro | cahoot: nothing |
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| 15:06.06 | JyZyXEL | damn 3c905 ain't working |
| 15:06.31 | cb3rob2 | jyzyxel: get used to it :P |
| 15:07.09 | cb3rob2 | although recently they have behaved well.. over the past 4 years or so |
| 15:07.22 | cb3rob2 | used to be hell.. same for intel.. but 3com sometimes didn't even manage to connect to their own switches. |
| 15:07.28 | Mazingaro | cahoot: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:07.0 disabled |
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| 15:08.05 | JyZyXEL | guess ill have to change again |
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| 15:08.30 | cahoot | Mazingaro: disable acpi at boot? |
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| 15:08.57 | NetNiet | Hi can i ask a gnome question here ? I try to open a file in gvim by dragging it into the window .. but is does not work ? |
| 15:09.11 | Mazingaro | cahoot: lol it was renamed as eth1!!! :) |
| 15:09.18 | Mazingaro | cahoot: it works now |
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| 15:09.28 | cb3rob2 | mazingaroo: rm /etc/udev/<something>.. |
| 15:09.32 | cb3rob2 | and it'll be eth0 again. |
| 15:09.32 | cahoot | Mazingaro: try /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 15:09.43 | dutchfish | !tell Mazingaro about z25 |
| 15:09.48 | ma3x | how do you find out 'hostname' or computername on lan connected machines? |
| 15:10.15 | dutchfish | ma3x, hostname -f ? |
| 15:10.20 | cb3rob2 | rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:10.21 | cahoot | nmap? |
| 15:10.23 | cb3rob2 | and reboot |
| 15:10.25 | cb3rob2 | and it's eth0 |
| 15:10.28 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: thanks |
| 15:10.32 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: it's clear now |
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| 15:10.45 | Eulex | NetNiet, works here (tm), when dragging from thunar to gvim 7.1.293 |
| 15:10.53 | ma3x | dutchfish: i mean to other computers in the local area? not on localhost |
| 15:10.53 | cast | Mazingaro: wouldn't that come up in dmesg :o |
| 15:10.54 | cb3rob2 | (stupid debian keeping track of mac addresses.. blah ;) |
| 15:11.08 | Jemt | cb3rob2: Want it fixed ? |
| 15:11.14 | Mazingaro | cast: yes, but I thought it was eth0 not eth1 |
| 15:11.18 | cb3rob2 | that one? yes please. :P |
| 15:11.20 | dutchfish | ma3x, you mean by dns, wins, what? |
| 15:11.28 | cb3rob2 | when we dd disks to other servers we always have to wipe that damn file |
| 15:11.30 | cast | the eth1, i mean |
| 15:11.31 | Mazingaro | cast: module stayed there with 0 |
| 15:11.36 | Mazingaro | cast: using |
| 15:11.38 | cast | ahh |
| 15:11.38 | cb3rob2 | or you end up with stuff like eth7 or something in the end :P |
| 15:11.52 | ma3x | dutchfish: wins i guess |
| 15:12.04 | dutchfish | ma3x, you have to setup wins then in your net |
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| 15:12.15 | dutchfish | ma3x, same goes for dns |
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| 15:12.18 | Jemt | cb3rob2: If you don't want it to remember the MAC addresses, simply remove: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules (better move them to a backup folder |
| 15:12.20 | Jemt | ) |
| 15:12.20 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: I think that GEforce 8600GT will give me more problems :) |
| 15:12.33 | dutchfish | ma3x, in a small net you can edit your hosts file on every machine |
| 15:12.43 | cb3rob2 | hmm well that's what we do now.. however :P it would be better if it simply didn't do it at all :P |
| 15:12.43 | Jemt | cb3rob2: That way you won't get eth1, eth2, eth3 etc. Really annoying |
| 15:12.53 | cb3rob2 | no other distros do that crap |
| 15:12.54 | cb3rob2 | afaik |
| 15:12.55 | ikelly | hmmm, seems the solution was to shout at it, throw it on the floor, and try again |
| 15:13.10 | petemc | cb3rob2: do you ever stop complaining? |
| 15:13.12 | Jemt | cb3rob2: I actually thought it was a bug. Completely useless feature |
| 15:13.24 | Jemt | But it must the there for a reason :) |
| 15:13.28 | cahoot | in your opni |
| 15:13.29 | cb3rob2 | jemt: i think it's a complicated way to swap interfaces around |
| 15:13.39 | cb3rob2 | but those people can also just use the ethers= kernel option |
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| 15:13.51 | cb3rob2 | udev should not be needed for that.. |
| 15:14.19 | ma3x | dutchfish: i mean if another computer is connected to my local area network, can i find out his computername? just like when he connects to my router - it's listed there! |
| 15:14.25 | cb3rob2 | (the ethers= thing has beene around since linux fitted on a punch card..) |
| 15:14.55 | zo_orki | How is it possible to watch dvds with kaffeine? i've already installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3, but i receive the error-message: http://paste.debian.net/7068/ |
| 15:15.20 | dutchfish | ma3x, i lost you there |
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| 15:15.30 | Jemt | zo_orki: Do you know mplayer? I would recommend that for DVD playback |
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| 15:16.24 | dutchfish | ma3x, unless the clients dhcp process reported its name to the dhcp server |
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| 15:17.11 | dutchfish | ma3x, the dhcp server is prolly located on the same device? |
| 15:17.13 | zo_orki | i've installed kmplayer and mplayer. i can't open the dvd with these |
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| 15:17.16 | zo_orki | , too |
| 15:17.39 | ma3x | dutchfish: yes on the router there is a dhcp server? you think it requested the computername? |
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| 15:17.56 | ma3x | dutchfish: yes it lists the computername under DHCP Clients |
| 15:17.57 | dutchfish | ma3x, no otherwise arround the client reported ... |
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| 15:18.40 | dutchfish | ma3x, but that is NOT your dns nor wins name |
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| 15:19.02 | ma3x | dutchfish: it's the hostname (computername) |
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| 15:19.19 | dutchfish | ma3x, no way other clients can figure that out |
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| 15:19.34 | ma3x | dutchfish: only the dhcp server knows that? |
| 15:19.41 | dutchfish | ma3x, yep |
| 15:19.45 | ma3x | ok |
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| 15:20.03 | dutchfish | ma3x, now if your dhcp server was a linux box, then you have options |
| 15:20.04 | catfish_ | is it possible to assign another MAC to a virtual eth0 |
| 15:20.56 | dutchfish | ma3x, you can integrate a dns server with a dhcp server and the names clients report to it with dynamic updates to the dns server |
| 15:21.14 | JyZyXEL | who knows how to use smartctl? |
| 15:21.45 | dutchfish | ma3x, but it is much easier to config a dns server that hands its dns settings through dhcp serve roptions to the clients |
| 15:21.58 | catfish_ | JyZyXEL, man smartctl |
| 15:22.03 | JyZyXEL | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. |
| 15:22.06 | JyZyXEL | is that good? =D |
| 15:22.07 | dutchfish | ma3x, got it? |
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| 15:22.43 | ma3x | dutchfish: i think i got it, but it's kinda complicated to do all that on my router box (it has dd-wrt) |
| 15:22.43 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, nope? |
| 15:22.46 | JyZyXEL | haha |
| 15:22.53 | JyZyXEL | 24hours!! |
| 15:22.54 | ma3x | dutchfish: sorry it's not a box, just a router |
| 15:22.58 | dutchfish | ma3x, how many computer sare in your net? |
| 15:23.26 | cast | trying to get ff3 running in etch, compiled and installed gtk+2.10 but aren't having much luck, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/stow/gtk+-2.10.0/lib/ ./firefox still says i'm using 2.8 and need 2.10, any ideas what i'm fucking up? |
| 15:23.26 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how can the SMART know so accurately |
| 15:23.30 | JyZyXEL | and i wonders whats wrong |
| 15:23.39 | cast | wait...i know. |
| 15:23.49 | dutchfish | ma3x, edit /etc/hosts if you have a small set of computers thats far easier |
| 15:23.52 | cast | doh, that version i just compiled will 64bit |
| 15:24.01 | cast | s/will/will be |
| 15:25.39 | ma3x | dutchfish: 3 |
| 15:25.51 | dutchfish | ma3x, well then |
| 15:25.58 | ma3x | dutchfish: on the router? /etc/hosts? |
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| 15:26.19 | dutchfish | ma3x, no only your computers not the router |
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| 15:27.06 | dutchfish | ma3x, so you will be able to access all the coputers by there names |
| 15:27.28 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: what aboud nvidia drivers and lenny? |
| 15:27.44 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, no idee |
| 15:27.56 | ma3x | ok man thanks! |
| 15:28.10 | DawnLight | i'm having a problem removing a PV from a VG. the pvmove command gives me "Insufficient suitable contiguous allocatable extents for logical volume pvmove0: 22684 more required" |
| 15:28.57 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: I've to get sources from sid, how can I do that? |
| 15:29.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, hugh you cant remove a physical volume from a volume group, you can only remove a volume group from a physical volume |
| 15:29.36 | ma3x | is adsl dedicated and cable shared? or both shared and depend on peak times? |
| 15:29.52 | DawnLight | dutchfish: that's the other way around, isn't it? |
| 15:30.05 | dutchfish | DawnLight, bingo |
| 15:30.35 | DawnLight | dutchfish: pv's are in vg's, iirc |
| 15:30.58 | dutchfish | DawnLight, arent you mixing up PV with LV? |
| 15:31.09 | DawnLight | no, dutchfish |
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| 15:31.24 | dutchfish | DawnLight, then shoot me now |
| 15:31.27 | DawnLight | i'm trying to pull out an hdd from the box |
| 15:31.46 | DawnLight | and i think i'm doing it right |
| 15:31.46 | dutchfish | DawnLight, ok |
| 15:31.52 | wackarnolds | what release of debian do i need for a core duo |
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| 15:31.55 | wackarnolds | amd64 |
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| 15:32.13 | dutchfish | DawnLight, to replace it? |
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| 15:32.21 | DawnLight | yes, dutchfish |
| 15:32.29 | cahoot | wackarnolds: 386 runs fine here |
| 15:32.41 | DawnLight | but it doesn't matter whether it is to replace it or not |
| 15:32.52 | DawnLight | i'm trying to pull it out |
| 15:33.17 | wackarnolds | but if i want the 64 bit version which one do ineed amd64 or ia64 |
| 15:33.19 | cahoot | wackarnolds: but if you want 64bit - then it's amd64 |
| 15:33.25 | wackarnolds | ok |
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| 15:33.27 | wackarnolds | thx |
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| 15:33.54 | wackarnolds | how easy is the install cause im no good with command line |
| 15:34.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you cant |
| 15:34.11 | ma3x | is there a package or software for debian to control the bandwidth limit (cap)? |
| 15:34.27 | dutchfish | DawnLight, not this way |
| 15:34.40 | wackarnolds | so what do i need all 3 dvds or just anyone from the dir.? |
| 15:34.49 | DawnLight | raises an eyebrow @ dutchfish |
| 15:34.49 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you need to add space before you can do that |
| 15:35.01 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i have space |
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| 15:35.24 | DawnLight | or maybe i don't |
| 15:35.27 | DawnLight | hmm... |
| 15:35.45 | DawnLight | i think i get it |
| 15:35.49 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you need roughly 1.6x the space the disk has that you want to replace |
| 15:36.00 | dutchfish | DawnLight, maybe less |
| 15:36.23 | DawnLight | so ahm... reducing the filesystem and the lv can get me this space |
| 15:36.29 | DawnLight | ahuh |
| 15:36.38 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 15:37.13 | dutchfish | i have to look it up how much exactly, but its in the pages |
| 15:37.32 | dutchfish | now listen DawnLight |
| 15:37.34 | DawnLight | i'll just reduce the filesystem as much as possible |
| 15:38.05 | DawnLight | is curious |
| 15:38.13 | bolt | on a few of my machines, the ssh login prompt takes ages (something around 10 seconds) to appear, even though the load is almost zero, while on other machines, even slower ones, it's lightning fast. they're all on the same local network. how could this be? |
| 15:38.16 | dutchfish | when you dd (when lvm is not mounted) the old to the new disk (and only when they are EXACTLY the same) you can get away with that |
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| 15:38.39 | wackarnolds | gnome on the install dvd |
| 15:38.43 | DawnLight | thanks but i'm not going to dd anything |
| 15:38.52 | cb3rob2 | bolt: reverse dns not working. |
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| 15:39.19 | cb3rob2 | aka incorrect /etc/hosts.. that one too. |
| 15:39.21 | dutchfish | DawnLight, enlighten me |
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| 15:40.02 | Spirit_ | i asked this 2 hours ago, new try: i am trying to compile something and i am getting "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lprofiler". i already ran ldconfig with no success. any idea? i guess some symlink is missing or broken, but which? |
| 15:40.36 | DawnLight | dutchfish: ahm... i don't know why you think i was going to dd |
| 15:40.42 | bolt | cb3rob2: ah. thanks. i'll check that out. should i check the client or the server i'm connecting to? |
| 15:40.51 | cb3rob2 | bolt: so check wether the hosts actually can resolve the ip which connects to them (working resolver nameservers, working reverse dns) and wether they can resolve themselves (/etc/hosts) |
| 15:40.57 | dutchfish | DawnLight, no, i didnt asume that, but i suggested that |
| 15:41.08 | cb3rob2 | also /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf and the reverse zone for the source ip |
| 15:41.24 | dutchfish | DawnLight, lvm is not raid |
| 15:41.59 | dutchfish | DawnLight, or do you have lvm ON raid? |
| 15:42.24 | Spirit_ | i often have that error with "-lGL", in that case it is the symling /usr/lib/libGL.so missing (linked to for example /usr/lib/libGL.so.173.14.05) |
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| 15:43.39 | DawnLight | dutchfish: to replace a device in lvm, i shrink the filesystem, pvmove the pv, lvreduce the lv, vgreduce the pv from the vg, pull the device out, put another one in and add it |
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| 15:44.41 | DawnLight | how can i know the size of a filesystem, the used space and the free space of an unmounted filesystem? |
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| 15:44.45 | DawnLight | ext3, this is |
| 15:44.52 | dutchfish | DawnLight, and then you can expand vg and fs |
| 15:45.14 | DawnLight | dutchfish: something like that |
| 15:45.40 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i doubt pvmove part |
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| 15:46.59 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i tought (correct me otherwise) you need as much space + a bit extra to move a physical volume |
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| 15:48.29 | oxi | hi |
| 15:48.36 | oxi | which os would you pick for a tiny vmware image that has java runtime environment without X? |
| 15:48.59 | dutchfish | DawnLight, http://docs.hp.com/en/7161/LVM_OLR_whitepaper.pdf |
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| 15:51.11 | asg | oxi: debian, of course |
| 15:51.37 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i guess you are right. this is the first time i'm trying it |
| 15:52.04 | daftd | debian is the universal operating system. So it should be just the right OS for every think |
| 15:52.40 | dutchfish | DawnLight, there is more to it .... a sec |
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| 15:54.04 | dutchfish | DawnLight, it actually much simpler: http://fixunix.com/debian/130135-lvm-replacing-disk.html |
| 15:54.15 | Spirit_ | does someone here have a libprofiler.so? and if so, any idea where it came from? :) |
| 15:54.36 | cahoot | !search |
| 15:54.37 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 15:55.06 | Spirit_ | oh thanks |
| 15:55.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, vgreduce vg00 /dev/sdx moves all extends to x (if it can hold all needed dataspace) |
| 15:55.52 | dutchfish | DawnLight, if not, you first add you new drive to the hive |
| 15:57.02 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you need to shrink your FSes first (of coarse) |
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| 15:57.34 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i don't think it does that. it only removes pvs from vgs. so i must pvmove before that |
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| 16:00.25 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i dont think so, a pv is still an entity of its own, not so with vg and lv wich are abstract and can reach out over more then one PV |
| 16:00.29 | oxi | asg: which dist would you take for the 1.6 jre? |
| 16:01.09 | DawnLight | dutchfish: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/removeadisk.html |
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| 16:01.40 | oxi | asg: I did it on Etch once. Now I wonder if it would be easy to strip down Etch to a few hundred megs just about the minimum deps for a non-X java runtime install. |
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| 16:02.13 | oxi | a few dudes suggested to use centos because it's the most supported os by sun and by vmware |
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| 16:02.51 | sorena | hi there |
| 16:02.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yes, you are right (sorry got it wrong) but only when no lv or vg is in use of coarse, you still need a bit more on the destination then the orgin (space) |
| 16:03.03 | NinjaMan | Is anyone here a PAM expert? - in /etc/pam.d/common-password I have the line 'password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5' which among other things seems to indicate passwords have a minimum length of 4 characters and a maximum length of 8 characters. However my passwords are longer than 8 characters - can anyone explain this to me? |
| 16:03.23 | sorena | i want use gnome on lenny , which cd(s) should i download? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 16:03.39 | dutchfish | DawnLight, its always confusing |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | NinjaMan: have you tried omitting past the 8th character of your password when you login ? |
| 16:03.45 | Spirit_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/bt-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso.torrent i#d say |
| 16:03.57 | abrotman | NinjaMan: for example .. if your password is "password123" .. have you tried just "password" ? |
| 16:04.02 | DawnLight | dutchfish: "no lv or vg is in use" means no fs mounted? |
| 16:04.16 | NinjaMan | abrotman: no I have not |
| 16:04.37 | Mazingaro | dutchfish: I could not get my geforce 8600 working in xorg :( I recompiled nvidia kernel modules, but I got only 640x480, because xorg complains about CRT monitor |
| 16:04.52 | NinjaMan | abrotman: but I'm sure I've made mistakes in typing the 9th+ characters and it has failed my login attempt |
| 16:05.16 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yes, make a backup of you lvm setup before you start too |
| 16:05.31 | dutchfish | DawnLight, specially volume discriptors |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | NinjaMan: dig into the pam docs a bit .. what you said above seems correct |
| 16:05.58 | dutchfish | Mazingaro, sorry i cant help you with nvidia |
| 16:06.07 | NinjaMan | abortman - ok |
| 16:06.47 | NinjaMan | anyone here getting "device has been left open" messages from vgscan (lvm2) ? |
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| 16:07.37 | dutchfish | DawnLight, pvmove is always ( abit) risky |
| 16:07.59 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i don't get it. what can go wrong? |
| 16:08.02 | dutchfish | DawnLight, thats why i try to avoid it where i can |
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| 16:08.45 | dutchfish | DawnLight, itself says: pvmove -- WARNING: moving of active logical volumes may cause data loss! |
| 16:09.05 | dutchfish | DawnLight, so make sure its not active |
| 16:09.10 | DawnLight | what is "active"? |
| 16:09.35 | DawnLight | it isn't mounted... |
| 16:09.36 | dutchfish | DawnLight, any process y=trying to access it (not only mount) |
| 16:09.55 | DawnLight | no process should try to access it that i know of |
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| 16:10.45 | DawnLight | else there are processes doing tasks i don't know about |
| 16:11.06 | dutchfish | DawnLight, so you boot from a partition outside lvm and no lines in fstab to lvm volumes? |
| 16:11.20 | Laser | does Eterm have the option to make it take input of cyrillic characters? |
| 16:11.31 | DawnLight | dutchfish: there is a line in fstab |
| 16:11.33 | Laser | i made it so it can see cyrillic output |
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| 16:12.02 | DawnLight | dutchfish: but that does something only in bootup and when i type mount -a, does it not? |
| 16:12.03 | NinjaMan | abrotman: bizarrely the min and max options are not documented under pam_unix.so in the Linux-PAM System Administrator's Guide |
| 16:12.12 | abrotman | yay |
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| 16:15.21 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 16:15.27 | abrotman | hi |
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| 16:15.41 | DawnLight | how is abrotman? |
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| 16:15.46 | dutchfish | DawnLight, the only one you need of coarse is something like /dev/mapper/VG1-xxxx |
| 16:16.07 | abrotman | DawnLight: broken clavicle .. but other than that .. fine |
| 16:16.56 | DawnLight | abrotman: what did you do? |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | bike accident |
| 16:17.20 | DawnLight | anyone else hurt? |
| 16:17.42 | DawnLight | i just broke a dish |
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| 16:18.10 | dererk | is packages.d.o working for any of you? |
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| 16:18.53 | DawnLight | dererk: positive |
| 16:18.59 | dererk | thanks |
| 16:19.04 | derchris | hi. i have debian 4.0 and need glibc 2.4 for an application. sarge has only glibc 2.3.6. where can I get 2.4? i heard I need to upgrade to sid? |
| 16:19.32 | enouf | huh? |
| 16:19.36 | dutchfish | DawnLight, the funny thing is, i need to do it myself in 1 or 2 weeks, because my 3,2TB is getting full |
| 16:19.50 | abrotman | dererk: it's broken for many |
| 16:20.03 | dererk | abrotman, ah, ok |
| 16:20.09 | dererk | abrotman, thx |
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| 16:20.37 | abrotman | derchris: lenny has 2.6 if that'll work |
| 16:20.41 | abrotman | !info libc6 lenny |
| 16:20.45 | MolePrince | Hello, is it possible to display two different workspaces on two monitors with only one video card? [eg a console on one monitor and a different window on the other] |
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| 16:20.50 | A500mg | hi |
| 16:20.55 | DawnLight | i'm trying to start doing some old computer reuse |
| 16:21.27 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 4301 kB, Installed size: 10400 kB |
| 16:21.34 | abrotman | MolePrince: where are you going to plugin the other monitor? |
| 16:21.41 | abrotman | derchris: erm .. 2.7 even |
| 16:21.50 | MolePrince | abrotman: This is on a laptop. One is built in, other is VGA out. |
| 16:21.59 | derchris | I just need something 2.4+ |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:22.10 | dutchfish | 2.7-10 on amd64 is farting i now on 2.7-12 (on lenny) from sid |
| 16:22.21 | abrotman | !tell derchris about etch->lenny |
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| 16:22.37 | abrotman | derchris: be aware that things are still breaking in lenny .. such as nvidia stuff |
| 16:22.38 | A500mg | is anybody have a technic for find new computer who are fully compatible with debian stable, for doing little server with hp/ibm/fujitsu/dell/other warrantly ? |
| 16:22.41 | derchris | thanks abrotman |
| 16:22.44 | enouf | !info libc6 etch |
| 16:22.47 | A500mg | i always have this problem at work |
| 16:22.50 | derchris | it is no desktop |
| 16:22.58 | Mazingaro | please how can I generate modelines for my monitor? |
| 16:23.07 | cahoot | use gtf |
| 16:23.13 | enouf | you don't need them |
| 16:23.27 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 4592 kB, Installed size: 11036 kB |
| 16:23.42 | MolePrince | abrotman: I can setup both with xrandr to show the same workspace at different resolutions, but I'd like to for example use one for work and the larger one to watch movies. :) |
| 16:24.03 | abrotman | MolePrince: ask #xorg ? i think it depends on your video device |
| 16:24.07 | cahoot | I don't think xorg offers that |
| 16:24.16 | MolePrince | abrotman: Ok, thanks I'll check. :) |
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| 16:24.35 | enouf | MolePrince: run two separate XServers then |
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| 16:24.58 | MolePrince | enouf: Oh? |
| 16:25.10 | enouf | no point in Movies being on same XServer as your work |
| 16:25.20 | enouf | with diff resolution |
| 16:25.57 | enouf | look into, i'm not going into details, too tired, plus i'm no expert |
| 16:26.07 | enouf | look into it* |
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| 16:26.36 | MolePrince | enouf: Hm! I'll look into it, thanks. :) |
| 16:26.49 | enouf | well, thank me, if you get it to work :-: |
| 16:26.57 | enouf | s/:.:/ :-P |
| 16:27.30 | enouf | actually {:.:} <-- looks pretty evil grinish :-) |
| 16:27.47 | MolePrince | enouf: Looks more like a Tachikoma to me.... |
| 16:27.56 | cahoot | you *are* tired |
| 16:28.01 | enouf | tach who? |
| 16:28.13 | MolePrince | The uh, spider mechas from Ghost in the Shell >.> |
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| 16:28.35 | enouf | jack-o-lantern-smites cahoot |
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| 16:28.54 | enouf | you reminded me of a song i like now |
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| 16:29.08 | abrotman | !fruitsmite enouf |
| 16:29.09 | dpkg | smites enouf with a basketful of strawberries |
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| 16:29.30 | cahoot | The Band? |
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| 16:29.53 | enouf | no, .. i'm trying to remember who and what now ... dammit |
| 16:30.35 | enouf | some obscure clapton song? .. or might even be like priest or maiden :-P |
| 16:31.06 | enouf | Warning: Do Not try to figure this out ® |
| 16:31.10 | dutchfish | mumbles he is prolly not getting over strawberrie fiels forever ... |
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| 16:31.36 | dutchfish | s/fiels/fields |
| 16:31.40 | enouf | no, it's the Ghost reference .. and no, not some patrick someshit somecrap |
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| 16:33.05 | enouf | heck, it might even be the band Loudness :-P |
| 16:33.11 | roxazer | what is the big difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 16:33.20 | enouf | !why aptitude |
| 16:33.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 16:33.29 | enouf | !why not aptitude |
| 16:33.29 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 16:33.48 | roxazer | cool |
| 16:33.49 | enouf | yippie, i know my bot |
| 16:34.01 | enouf | well, no, it's not mine |
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| 16:34.17 | enouf | i guess i meant 'bots' |
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| 16:34.51 | enouf | mumbles to self (why don't you just say factoids)? |
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| 16:35.01 | Ward1983 | . |
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| 16:35.07 | dutchfish | !enouf |
| 16:35.08 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 16:35.27 | dutchfish | lol |
| 16:35.33 | wackarnolds | is this the right disc i need to install from debian-update-4.0r3-amd64-DVD-1 |
| 16:35.50 | Nyle | factard |
| 16:35.52 | enouf | for amd64 arch, yes |
| 16:35.57 | wackarnolds | ok |
| 16:36.11 | enouf | but you don't need a DVD |
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| 16:36.27 | enouf | especially with a semi-fast inet conn |
| 16:36.42 | wackarnolds | got it alraedy |
| 16:36.50 | enouf | get jiggy with it |
| 16:37.12 | wackarnolds | will the dvd still use interne to get what it needs |
| 16:37.18 | wackarnolds | and is gnome on it |
| 16:37.19 | enouf | sure |
| 16:37.26 | enouf | yep |
| 16:37.35 | wackarnolds | default GUI |
| 16:37.43 | enouf | ?? <-- adds the missing punctuation |
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| 16:38.11 | enouf | use tasksel, ley standard + desktop be ticked |
| 16:38.17 | enouf | s/ley/let |
| 16:38.25 | wackarnolds | what? |
| 16:38.29 | enouf | who? |
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| 16:38.44 | enouf | !tell wackarnolds -about ig |
| 16:38.52 | cusco_ | when installing chose the option "desktop" and "standart" |
| 16:39.17 | enouf | wackarnolds: the <spacebar> selects/deselects |
| 16:39.31 | Nyle | not |
| 16:39.34 | Nyle | not desktop! |
| 16:39.42 | Nyle | standard is just good |
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| 16:39.48 | wackarnolds | what the hell are you all talking about |
| 16:39.48 | Nyle | whats the matter with you? |
| 16:39.59 | enouf | haha .. explain Nyle! |
| 16:40.08 | Nyle | bloatware |
| 16:40.09 | cusco | wackarnolds: about the instalation procedure |
| 16:40.15 | Nyle | installs gnome |
| 16:40.17 | wackarnolds | oh |
| 16:40.29 | Nyle | you can go with /msg dpkg install gnome or install kde |
| 16:40.37 | wackarnolds | got ya |
| 16:40.39 | Nyle | just the standard system task is enough in tasksel |
| 16:40.41 | cusco | or you can let it install a bunch of stuff |
| 16:40.45 | cusco | it is a option from the installer |
| 16:40.53 | cusco | and it is there to be used |
| 16:40.54 | wackarnolds | like fedora |
| 16:41.09 | yangvnc | How come that my "locate database" doesn't get updated it is in cron.daily |
| 16:41.12 | dutchfish | i like gnome on my destop |
| 16:41.17 | cusco | so do I |
| 16:41.20 | Nyle | tasksel is not very goodly configured |
| 16:41.27 | enouf | whoa... ~$ tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 16:41.35 | Nyle | enouf, yeh... |
| 16:41.37 | enouf | look out |
| 16:41.43 | wackarnolds | what is the yum equivalent in debian |
| 16:41.44 | enouf | man, you're right you derm |
| 16:41.49 | Nyle | wackarnolds, apt |
| 16:41.51 | Nyle | apt-get |
| 16:42.02 | cusco | -_- |
| 16:42.46 | enouf | yeah .. i don't even see the gnome crap in desktop ,. wtf? |
| 16:43.04 | mypapit | enouf, wtf for me too |
| 16:43.08 | enouf | but there's a gnome-desktop task |
| 16:43.11 | dutchfish | enouf, you need to sleep |
| 16:43.14 | wackarnolds | will my video card be fully function able or am i gonna need specific drivers |
| 16:43.15 | cusco | desktop-base |
| 16:43.18 | enouf | dutchfish: and fish ;-) |
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| 16:44.36 | enouf | wackarnolds: lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:44.44 | enouf | wackarnolds: you want 3D? |
| 16:44.54 | enouf | hides |
| 16:45.10 | wackarnolds | i want it to do everything it can |
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| 16:45.27 | enouf | wackarnolds: then tell the Manu to OPEN UP THE FUCKEN DRIVERS |
| 16:45.36 | wackarnolds | yeah |
| 16:45.40 | abrotman | you don't even know what card he has |
| 16:45.48 | DawnLight | wackarnolds: don't you know that it is normal that graphic cards use only 13% of their abilities? |
| 16:45.48 | wackarnolds | as much as it can under debian then |
| 16:45.48 | enouf | plays whackamole with wackarnolds |
| 16:46.13 | wackarnolds | nvidia 7300 le 256 |
| 16:46.37 | DawnLight | that card works with the atch nvidia drivers |
| 16:46.46 | wackarnolds | atch? |
| 16:46.46 | DawnLight | or at least it should |
| 16:46.50 | DawnLight | etch |
| 16:46.52 | wackarnolds | waz that |
| 16:46.57 | dutchfish | DawnLight, now tell me how to get to the other 87% .... [grins politely] |
| 16:47.11 | wackarnolds | etch what that |
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| 16:47.19 | Nyle | Task: gnome-desktop |
| 16:47.20 | Nyle | Description: Gnome desktop environment |
| 16:47.25 | DawnLight | !etch |
| 16:47.25 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 16:47.26 | enouf | flags down the trolliosis |
| 16:47.30 | Nyle | enouf, read the manpage |
| 16:47.39 | enouf | Nyle: i got a man for ya |
| 16:47.51 | wackarnolds | ill be back got install this shit and just see if it works' |
| 16:47.55 | Nyle | grep -i gnome /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 16:47.57 | enouf | Nyle: i already found that out .. |
| 16:48.01 | Nyle | word |
| 16:48.08 | wackarnolds | be back |
| 16:48.13 | enouf | Nyle: it's not an option UNLESS you boot with it |
| 16:48.23 | Nyle | what? |
| 16:48.31 | Nyle | its the default debconf priority |
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| 16:48.41 | enouf | like install tasks=standard,kde-desktop |
| 16:48.54 | enouf | in which case you NEED the DVD or more CDs |
| 16:48.54 | Nyle | unless you manually specify low or medium, you WILL have to go through tasksel |
| 16:48.59 | Nyle | what are you talking about? |
| 16:49.08 | enouf | !rtfm Nyle |
| 16:49.09 | dpkg | gives Nyle an engraved copy of the freaking man page and forces Nyle to read it absolutely. |
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| 16:49.40 | enouf | Nyle: we're talking about installation, not addon tasksel later |
| 16:49.45 | DawnLight | whats the easiest, quickest way to remotely access my current X sesion? |
| 16:49.50 | cusco | in times like this that you tell ubuntu and debian users apart :P |
| 16:49.54 | kermit_ | I'll find out |
| 16:50.51 | dutchfish | cusco, who let the dogs out? ;) |
| 16:50.56 | Nyle | enouf, tasksel is launched AFTER base install... |
| 16:50.58 | cusco | oops |
| 16:51.05 | Nyle | system is already in place.. |
| 16:51.14 | Nyle | where do you think its gets its configuration from... |
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| 16:51.29 | peleg | do you know where can I find aspell's configuration file? |
| 16:51.30 | wackarnolds | ok dammit dvd didnt boot what the hell |
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| 16:51.39 | abrotman | peleg: dpkg -L aspell |
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| 16:51.45 | peleg | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:51.46 | enouf | Nyle: wait, standard installs 3 p .. ~pimportant, pstandard., ~prequired |
| 16:51.56 | enouf | so, which is gnome-desktop ? |
| 16:52.14 | Nyle | who said standard? |
| 16:52.16 | Nyle | desktop... |
| 16:52.18 | cusco | wackarnolds: do you have yout bios set so it boots from cd/dvd ? |
| 16:52.23 | wackarnolds | yeah |
| 16:52.28 | enouf | Nyle: what choices are there during install? |
| 16:52.36 | wackarnolds | gimmie a link to the dvd image i need |
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| 16:52.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.59 | wackarnolds | 64 bit |
| 16:53.12 | enouf | see gnome-desktop there? |
| 16:53.12 | Nyle | enouf, none |
| 16:53.15 | Nyle | it installs ALL 3 |
| 16:53.19 | cusco | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 16:53.25 | enouf | Nyle: ~$ tasksel --list-tasks |
| 16:53.30 | Nyle | depending on which debian release has the apt configured |
| 16:53.33 | wackarnolds | nope 64 bit |
| 16:53.34 | enouf | all 3 what? |
| 16:53.35 | Nyle | look dude look deeper |
| 16:53.53 | enouf | Nyle: wake up |
| 16:53.55 | Mazingaro | please is there a way to change dpi value for xorg? I got very small fonts at 1280x1024 :) |
| 16:53.57 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 16:54.03 | enouf | !dpi |
| 16:54.04 | dpkg | methinks dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 16:54.25 | peleg | abrotman: that does not help me. man pages say that the file should be of the form .aspell.conf, but I don't see a file like that in that list. |
| 16:54.27 | Nyle | desktop-base recomends kde/gnome/xfce. If apt is installing recomended/suggested packages then voila, upon desktop task during install you've got ALL 3 (I've been through this I know). |
| 16:54.39 | Nyle | I startedinstall, woke up in the morning, I found ALL 3 on my system |
| 16:54.47 | enouf | Nyle: Lenny only - or i should say apt 0.7.0 |
| 16:54.48 | wackarnolds | link to 64 bit version please |
| 16:54.49 | enouf | and up |
| 16:54.58 | Nyle | 12:52 < Nyle> depending on which debian release has the apt configured |
| 16:54.59 | abrotman | peleg: $HOME/.peleg.conf ? |
| 16:55.05 | Nyle | like I said before, depends on which |
| 16:55.14 | cusco | so we're talking about etch |
| 16:55.19 | abrotman | peleg: erm .. $HOME/.aspell.conf ? |
| 16:55.23 | Nyle | I didn't we were specifically discussing etch |
| 16:55.26 | enouf | Nyle: Lenny is a Beta installer and not recommended |
| 16:55.28 | cusco | wackarnolds: was |
| 16:55.31 | Nyle | +know |
| 16:55.34 | peleg | it says "The global configuration file for Aspell is /etc/aspell.conf", but there is no such file. Also, there is no ~/.aspell.conf . |
| 16:55.35 | enouf | ok |
| 16:55.53 | enouf | lets Nyle know he doesn't like the new default apt Recommends |
| 16:56.05 | Nyle | neither do I |
| 16:56.15 | Nyle | enouf, but you can change that |
| 16:56.19 | Nyle | easily enough |
| 16:56.22 | enouf | Nyle: sure i can ;-) |
| 16:56.28 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 16:56.35 | Nyle | shaddup |
| 16:56.49 | enouf | smacks Nyle with some derms |
| 16:56.55 | Nyle | what is a derm? |
| 16:56.58 | enouf | skin |
| 16:57.01 | Nyle | !dict derm |
| 16:57.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'derm' (2 of 3): \Derm\, n. [Gr. de`rma, -atos, skin, fr. ? to skin, flay: cf. F. derme. See {Tear}, v. t.] 1. The integument of animal; the skin. [1913 Webster] 2. (Anat.) See {Dermis}. [1913 Webster] ;; \-derm\ [See {Derm}, n.] A suffix or terminal formative, much used in anatomical terms, and signifying skin, integument, covering; as, blastoderm, ectoderm, etc. [1913 Webster]. |
| 16:57.06 | enouf | or Dumbo :-P |
| 16:57.17 | Nyle | i see |
| 16:57.24 | Nyle | why are you calling me skin? |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | dpkg Dumbo is an Elephant from some Disneyland Story |
| 16:57.37 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 16:57.58 | enouf | dpkg Dumbo is also with HUGE ears |
| 16:57.59 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 16:58.06 | Nyle | enouf, enough. |
| 16:58.15 | Nyle | heh. |
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| 16:58.23 | dutchfish | !enough |
| 16:58.23 | dpkg | Well, have you had enough fun fondling with my database |
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| 16:58.45 | enouf | dpkg Pakiderm is <reply> see <Dumbo> |
| 16:58.45 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 16:59.11 | Nyle | actually I find that term including 'paki' derogatory |
| 16:59.18 | Nyle | could you kindly refrain from saying it? |
| 16:59.19 | enouf | sorry |
| 16:59.22 | enouf | yes |
| 16:59.23 | Nyle | thank you |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | peleg: find / -name *aspell.conf ? |
| 16:59.47 | Nyle | dpkg forget pakiderm |
| 16:59.48 | dpkg | i forgot pakiderm, Nyle |
| 16:59.55 | enouf | i personally know some pakistani peoples and i like them |
| 17:00.10 | enouf | dpkg forget Dumbo |
| 17:00.10 | dpkg | i forgot dumbo, enouf |
| 17:01.11 | Nyle | enouf, you are a kde user? |
| 17:01.14 | Nyle | or gnome? |
| 17:01.14 | enouf | dpkg: it's nice to see you follow MSDOS rules concerning case-sensitivity |
| 17:01.15 | dpkg | enouf: You are moron #3 |
| 17:01.32 | enouf | yes i am |
| 17:01.35 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | stop already |
| 17:01.44 | Nyle | enouf, which is it? |
| 17:01.53 | Nyle | !kde4 |
| 17:01.53 | dpkg | somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 17:02.18 | enouf | Nyle: i have some kde installed, but it's very minimal .... no gnome, but i run some gtk apps |
| 17:02.29 | Nyle | enouf, whatta wm? |
| 17:02.34 | khaleel5000 | hello, I have an ati x1650 pro (agp card ) with debain etch rc3,i just installed fglrx drivers via dpkg-oneliner for fglrx.my "khaleel |
| 17:02.36 | enouf | kwin |
| 17:02.45 | enouf | gotta go |
| 17:02.48 | Nyle | khaleel5000, go on... |
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| 17:03.21 | dutchfish | he if it is not asked to much, can someone explain me how to get rid of stuttering in vlc player on a desktop without a dri enabled video card? |
| 17:03.26 | khaleel5000 | gui accout has some trouble , though I have disabled translucency text not being displayed correctly, windows not shown properly etc,when I logged in via root account in gui, it was fine. |
| 17:03.33 | khaleel5000 | i use kde |
| 17:03.43 | Nyle | dutchfish, which video output? |
| 17:03.46 | peleg | abrotman: tried "find", of course, but with no results. Still, dumping the config with aspell command dumps a file that looks real... |
| 17:03.53 | dutchfish | Nyle, dvd |
| 17:03.55 | Nyle | dutchfish, you mean flickering or actual stuttering? |
| 17:04.00 | Nyle | you sure its not a scratched dvd? |
| 17:04.07 | dutchfish | Nyle, no flicker no grain just stutter |
| 17:04.16 | Nyle | test the dvd in another player |
| 17:04.20 | Nyle | test a nother dvd in this player |
| 17:04.34 | Nyle | try to eliminate hw errors first |
| 17:04.34 | dutchfish | Nyle, its not the dvd, i converted to an iso, its the same |
| 17:04.40 | Nyle | or possibliites |
| 17:04.53 | Nyle | dutchfish, ok so off the hd then its still stuttering |
| 17:05.02 | dutchfish | Nyle, the only thing i see in the logs when its fullscreen, it looses some frames |
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| 17:05.29 | Nyle | which player? |
| 17:05.33 | Nyle | oh vlc |
| 17:05.47 | enouf | so Nyle .. got the tasksel stuff straight? |
| 17:05.49 | Nyle | i don't use vlc |
| 17:05.52 | miggyb | anyone familiar with netatalk? i'm having problems installing it on a vanilla amd64 install |
| 17:05.59 | dutchfish | Nyle, running latencytop reveals alot of waiting for cpu in VLC process, also this is a E8500 |
| 17:06.00 | Nyle | enouf, I've been stright with it |
| 17:06.24 | khaleel5000 | how do i fix the problem in my khaleel gui accoutn |
| 17:06.26 | abrotman | miggyb: why would you use netatalk ? |
| 17:06.33 | peleg | I just can't find a way to configure aspell... |
| 17:06.42 | miggyb | abrotman: i have a mac i want to network with |
| 17:06.53 | abrotman | miggyb: it's probably easier to use smb/samba |
| 17:06.54 | Nyle | khaleel5000, #kde |
| 17:07.06 | Nyle | dutchfish, not too sure man |
| 17:07.22 | Nyle | dutchfish, you've seen the vlc packge bugs? |
| 17:07.24 | miggyb | abrotman: i know, but netatalk was about 10x faster on a previous server i had |
| 17:07.31 | Nyle | dutchfish, which driver of vide? |
| 17:07.38 | Nyle | video* |
| 17:07.38 | enouf | Nyle: tell the users about how, if you want kde for initial , non-inet install , you need to grab more than netinstall, or even CD 1 .. or you have to grab the kde specific CD |
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| 17:07.52 | Nyle | enouf, not at all |
| 17:08.00 | Nyle | enouf, specify it as a boto param |
| 17:08.03 | dutchfish | Nyle, the last update in lenny improved it a bit but still not good, should i look in video device driver or is this more likely a vlc issue? |
| 17:08.04 | Nyle | boot* |
| 17:08.15 | Nyle | do it off netboot/netinst whatever |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | miggyb: that might be so .. but from what i understand .. it's a pain to setup |
| 17:09.05 | dutchfish | Nyle, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (latest) |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | miggyb: what about it doesn't work when you install it ?> |
| 17:09.05 | Nyle | dutchfish, oh there your problem is |
| 17:09.05 | Nyle | dutchfish, try radeon |
| 17:09.05 | Nyle | not radeonhd |
| 17:09.05 | dutchfish | Nyle, should i (for now) go back to the ati one? |
| 17:09.06 | Nyle | radeon fully supprors r5xx and beyond now |
| 17:09.12 | Nyle | I think it merged afaict |
| 17:09.24 | dutchfish | Nyle, the is no radeon on lenny |
| 17:09.26 | Nyle | and the devs recommend the useage of radeon instead of radeonhd |
| 17:09.30 | Nyle | dutchfish, ooooh... |
| 17:09.41 | Nyle | hmm well.. radeonhd is highly unstable in lenny then |
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| 17:09.44 | miggyb | abrotman: apparently, anything. i try ping server.local to see if it will do the auto dns or whatver, and it doesn't |
| 17:09.44 | Nyle | its probably old |
| 17:09.49 | Nyle | very old compared to now |
| 17:10.00 | dutchfish | !info xserver-xorg-video-ati testing |
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| 17:10.11 | miggyb | abrotman: zeroconf. that's what i meant. |
| 17:10.23 | enouf | Nyle: right, refer them to the ig for the params to feed the installer the boot: prompt |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | rendezvous or appletalk ? |
| 17:10.28 | Nyle | but yeh, radeon + x11 output should give just fine playback |
| 17:10.31 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-ati: (X.Org X server -- ATI display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:6.8.0-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
| 17:10.37 | Nyle | enouf, no... |
| 17:10.40 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 17:10.40 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 17:11.37 | enouf | Nyle: do you know how many people don't even know with how they installed? (install{gui}, expert{gui}, rescue{gui}, auto{gui} ?????????) |
| 17:12.00 | enouf | Nyle: that factoid has nothing to do with the installer |
| 17:12.01 | Nyle | thats why I told him... |
| 17:12.01 | dutchfish | Nyle, radeonhd is very stable atm in lenny amd64, i have just the video issue |
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| 17:12.27 | enouf | oh , wait, it does .. esorry |
| 17:12.27 | Nyle | enouf, yes... it does |
| 17:12.32 | wackarnolds | live cd says deosnt detect my ethernet |
| 17:12.34 | dutchfish | Nyle, so go back to the ati one? |
| 17:12.38 | Nyle | stop smoking crack. |
| 17:12.40 | Nyle | dutchfish, try it |
| 17:12.41 | enouf | BUT .. you need to read those details |
| 17:12.47 | Nyle | enouf, you win. |
| 17:13.01 | Nyle | dutchfish, I'm not upto speed on the driver version that is in lenny |
| 17:13.13 | dutchfish | Nyle, ok, ill check, brb |
| 17:13.21 | Nyle | dutchfish, also #radeon |
| 17:13.34 | abrotman | wackarnolds: what livecd? and which NIC? |
| 17:13.37 | dutchfish | Nyle, i cant find radeon in lenny amd64 |
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| 17:13.48 | Nyle | dutchfish, the ati package provides it |
| 17:13.53 | Nyle | ati is a wrapper |
| 17:13.54 | dutchfish | Nyle, ok |
| 17:13.55 | Nyle | ofsorts |
| 17:14.04 | dutchfish | Nyle thank you |
| 17:14.05 | Nyle | man radeon |
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| 17:14.13 | Nyle | sure no problem |
| 17:14.18 | enouf | Nyle: i apologize if someone has been busy and updated the wiki + that factoid .. so, i stand corrected |
| 17:14.39 | enouf | Nyle: and i congratulate anyone who has helped make it clear |
| 17:14.44 | julud | Where can i find iostream.h ? |
| 17:14.51 | abrotman | !tell julud about search |
| 17:14.54 | wackarnolds | intel 825 10/100 Debian 4.0 r3 am |
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| 17:15.00 | tymonn_ | Hi there |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | julud: aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:15.15 | enouf | Nyle: now, you dumbo, say hello to wet willy! :-P |
| 17:15.17 | abrotman | wackarnolds: lspci .. what is the actual device name |
| 17:15.21 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:15.45 | wackarnolds | i got vista on here |
| 17:15.47 | miggyb | abrotman: do you think avahi will help out with that? |
| 17:15.49 | tymonn_ | what should i do if i want to clone my debian, should i put my CD into the drive, and when it asks for the partitions should i choose to clone from the other one?? |
| 17:15.53 | wackarnolds | lspci not gonna work |
| 17:15.57 | abrotman | miggyb: avahi is zeroconf stuff |
| 17:16.04 | Nyle | !clone |
| 17:16.04 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 17:16.09 | Nyle | blah |
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| 17:16.12 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 17:16.12 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 17:16.13 | abrotman | !tell tymonn_ about debian clone |
| 17:16.17 | Eulex | julud, just fyi, <iostream.h> is deprecated. use <iostream>. |
| 17:16.26 | abrotman | Nyle: have you ever tried "!tell <user> about" ? |
| 17:16.26 | wackarnolds | Intel(R) 82562V 10/100 Network Connection |
| 17:16.27 | miggyb | abrotman: right. i'll be able to see the server, at least |
| 17:16.32 | Nyle | abrotman, yes |
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| 17:16.45 | Nyle | abrotman, if you want me to try it more often just say that instead. |
| 17:16.47 | abrotman | wackarnolds: that's a pretty basic NIC IIRC |
| 17:16.49 | enouf | tymonn_: also look into "bootcd" and "systemimager" pkgs |
| 17:16.53 | miggyb | there we go. |
| 17:17.02 | enouf | !info bootcd |
| 17:17.02 | wackarnolds | ok |
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| 17:17.19 | diepe1 | !info bootcd |
| 17:17.19 | julud | Eulex: But I still have no iostream in /usr/include and I am getting errors trying to compile stuff |
| 17:17.26 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.10 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 17:17.31 | enouf | diepe1: stop that |
| 17:17.48 | wols_ | julud: then install the libcüüstd dev package |
| 17:17.49 | Eulex | julud, did you install build-essential? |
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| 17:17.52 | enouf | !info systemimager |
| 17:17.59 | abrotman | you're doing it! |
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| 17:18.16 | enouf | wols_: holy crap with the rectangles |
| 17:18.18 | wols_ | *libc++std |
| 17:18.25 | wols_ | greman umlauts |
| 17:18.34 | Eulex | julud, and the files are supposed to be in /usr/include/c++ |
| 17:18.35 | enouf | hugs a greman |
| 17:18.41 | enouf | :-P |
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| 17:18.46 | wols_ | the okus key is diretly besides the ue. not my fault if you have inferior charsets :) |
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| 17:19.21 | dutchfish | Nyle, its the same its still jumping a bit every ~25 frames |
| 17:19.24 | julud | I have installed build-essential |
| 17:19.45 | Nyle | dutchfish, so its not the driver |
| 17:19.53 | dutchfish | Nyle, apprently not |
| 17:19.55 | Nyle | dutchfish, just in case, you have consulted #radeon? |
| 17:20.13 | Nyle | maybe they can shed more light on it (in case it maybe is a driver issue) |
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| 17:20.20 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 17:20.23 | enouf | !info systemimager-common |
| 17:20.28 | dpkg | systemimager-common: (Utilities and libraries common to both the server and client), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.6.3dfsg1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 17:20.30 | Nyle | dutchfish, but do not neglect to check vlc bugs regarding that |
| 17:20.32 | tymonn_ | enouf: systemimager is just for sid |
| 17:20.33 | Nazcafan | I am trying to get a wacom tablet to work on my testing box |
| 17:20.37 | dutchfish | Nyle, no, because i have the same card in etch 32 bit on another system with slower cpu and there i dont have the problem |
| 17:20.40 | enouf | tymonn_: bah |
| 17:20.40 | Nyle | dutchfish, what about other dvds? |
| 17:20.49 | Nazcafan | I plugged the usb cable but get nothing in demsg |
| 17:20.49 | tymonn_ | is not for sid* |
| 17:20.50 | Nyle | dutchfish, have you tried to load other iso files of dvds in vlc? |
| 17:20.52 | Nazcafan | dmesg |
| 17:20.55 | Nyle | dutchfish, how do they fair? |
| 17:21.02 | enouf | !info systemimager-common etch |
| 17:21.05 | enouf | sorry |
| 17:21.13 | enouf | thought i was doing /msg |
| 17:21.15 | tymonn_ | i use sid |
| 17:21.17 | tymonn_ | :) |
| 17:21.20 | Toad | erg... if I can run memtest86+ for 25 minutes with no errors, then it's not likely bad ram is causing OOPSes in the debian installer 5 minutes in, right? |
| 17:21.23 | dutchfish | Nyle, same, divx playback is good, so it looks like cpu or bandwidth problem, but it isnt, it cant be |
| 17:21.25 | dpkg | systemimager-common: (Utilities and libraries common to both the server and client), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.6.3dfsg1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 17:21.26 | tymonn_ | !info systemimager-common sid |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | systemimager-common: (Utilities and libraries common to both the server and client), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.6.3dfsg1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 17:21.32 | wols_ | tymonn_: not right |
| 17:21.35 | wols_ | Toad: ^^ |
| 17:21.36 | Nyle | dutchfish, just a quick idea |
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| 17:21.44 | enouf | Nyle: reinstate the dumbo factoid :-p point it at tymonn_ |
| 17:21.50 | Nyle | dutchfish, it could be that the engine trying to play your video (I don't know what vlc uses) is laggy? |
| 17:21.51 | wols_ | usually one needs to run at least 12h to be a little bit sure about memory |
| 17:22.01 | Nyle | dutchfish, try mplayer? gstreamer? xine? |
| 17:22.08 | enouf | Toad: guess what, i haven't slept ;-) |
| 17:22.09 | Nyle | dutchfish, does it happen across all backends/players? |
| 17:22.12 | Toad | wols_: right, but if I'm consistently getting oopses trying to install... |
| 17:22.16 | Toad | enouf: ouch :) |
| 17:22.27 | dutchfish | Nyle, yes |
| 17:22.32 | enouf | touché |
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| 17:22.37 | wols_ | Toad: what kind of oopses? |
| 17:22.39 | Nyle | dutchfish, wierd |
| 17:22.55 | Toad | wols_: various things that look VM related - NULL dereferences, bad pages |
| 17:23.00 | Nyle | dutchfish, it could be and amd64 specific thing |
| 17:23.07 | wols_ | Toad: heat? |
| 17:23.07 | Nyle | an* |
| 17:23.10 | wackarnolds | ok what can i do about this i got a list of ethernet drivers but mines not in the list |
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| 17:23.14 | wackarnolds | am i fucked |
| 17:23.19 | dutchfish | Nyle, before vlc update (and modules along) it was grainy too, but thats solved completely with lennys last update of those |
| 17:23.21 | wols_ | wackarnolds: what chip? |
| 17:23.29 | Toad | wols_: could be heat I suppose, but would the installer really generate that much heat? |
| 17:23.29 | enouf | Toad: hows the mobo caps? |
| 17:23.35 | Nyle | dutchfish, hmm, try vlc from sid? |
| 17:23.36 | Toad | enouf: caps? |
| 17:23.40 | Nyle | if sid has a newer version |
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| 17:23.42 | dutchfish | Nyle, so my best bet its in vlc |
| 17:23.43 | wackarnolds | intel 825xx 10/100 |
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| 17:23.44 | enouf | !capacitors |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, capacitors is no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail. If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging. See http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=78 for the story and http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i303/30328_4mg.jpg for a photo, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 17:23.52 | Nyle | dutchfish, which video output? |
| 17:23.52 | dutchfish | Nyle, or one of its drivers |
| 17:23.53 | Toad | enouf: ah, wel it's brand new so I didn't look for leaky ones |
| 17:23.58 | wols_ | wackarnolds: e100 |
| 17:24.02 | Nyle | dutchfish, xv? x11? gl? gl2? |
| 17:24.05 | dutchfish | Nyle, you mean screen:0 ? |
| 17:24.07 | wackarnolds | does work |
| 17:24.15 | Nazcafan | damn I am so stupid |
| 17:24.16 | dutchfish | Nyle, x11 |
| 17:24.16 | wackarnolds | doesnt work |
| 17:24.21 | Toad | but I'd be surprised if a mobo with ba caps made it through QA |
| 17:24.22 | Nyle | dutchfish, try xv? |
| 17:24.22 | enouf | Toad: i know, you didn't even check the cdrom drive for correct jumpers ;-) |
| 17:24.33 | Toad | enouf: ;-) my hardware experience is EE |
| 17:24.34 | dutchfish | Nyle, how i can set that in vlc? |
| 17:24.35 | Nazcafan | I hadn't plugged the usb connector deep enough in the wacom tablet |
| 17:24.48 | wackarnolds | wols thats the one i tried no good |
| 17:24.49 | enouf | Toad: experience != diligence ;-) |
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| 17:25.01 | Toad | enouf: right, I'm pointing out I only do little systems, not big computer systems |
| 17:25.11 | wols_ | wackarnolds: intel fast ethernet is OLD. kinda hard to believe there are no drivers |
| 17:25.14 | Nyle | dutchfish, preferences |
| 17:25.14 | Toad | I do tiny hardware and big software, not much in between :) |
| 17:25.15 | enouf | it's a little system issue though |
| 17:25.24 | dutchfish | Nyle, ok, hold on |
| 17:25.25 | enouf | oh |
| 17:25.27 | miggyb | netatalk and samba are both giving me "wrong username/password" errors. |
| 17:25.31 | Nyle | dutchfish, try prev. video output plugins or something |
| 17:25.31 | enouf | bad analogy |
| 17:25.36 | wackarnolds | so i fucked |
| 17:25.57 | Nyle | dutchfish, you won't get any zoom with it except on a software level |
| 17:26.05 | Nyle | so xv is sucky but it usually ALWAYS works |
| 17:26.14 | enouf | xv is fin |
| 17:26.18 | enouf | fine |
| 17:26.39 | enouf | but directfb is better :-P |
| 17:26.42 | Toad | I can wire up a 74LS163 and a 555 but that's about the extent of my HW skillz :) |
| 17:26.48 | tymonn_ | enouf: if with the debian install CD, i choose "clone" from my other / debian ext3, does my system get a clone? |
| 17:26.57 | Toad | lemme kill this memtest, reset my bios, and look for bad caps |
| 17:27.06 | wols_ | private_meta: Toad unlikely |
| 17:27.31 | enouf | tymonn_: not sure, but i HAVE copied very successfully other partitions |
| 17:27.40 | Toad | seems unlikely to me too, but I got no idea why this thing won't install |
| 17:27.46 | Toad | (shoulda bought a mac) |
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| 17:28.05 | wols_ | Toad: tried other OSes/distros? |
| 17:28.08 | tymonn_ | enouf: probably it will install the new debian system and overwrite the clone right |
| 17:28.13 | enouf | tymonn_: i mean, backupped, copied from within the installer |
| 17:28.16 | msshams | this line in crontab when run? */4 * * * * ls |
| 17:28.16 | Toad | wols_: nope not yet |
| 17:28.28 | Toad | wols_: I dont have any windows disks or anything... so it would have to be other distros |
| 17:29.00 | enouf | tymonn_: you're not being specific about which drive/partition .. plus, i'm really too tired to deal with this |
| 17:29.23 | enouf | tymonn_: i mean, maybe you are being specific, i |
| 17:29.28 | julud | Can you please help, I think I have installed all the packages I need. Information at jkxbm.net/iostream_help |
| 17:29.31 | enouf | ''m just not fiocused |
| 17:29.52 | tymonn_ | enouf: sorry for bothering you |
| 17:29.57 | cb3rob2 | is not fiocused either |
| 17:30.14 | enouf | tymonn_: stop that .. i'm the one whom is sorry |
| 17:30.32 | tymonn_ | enouf: shut up ;) |
| 17:30.41 | tymonn_ | enouf: im the noob here xD |
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| 17:32.38 | tymonn_ | which is the most successful way to increase my / partition, i want to steal space from an empty partition |
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| 17:32.52 | enouf | tymonn_: i like smart newbs though .. makes it worse when i'm not fully avail for your type |
| 17:33.16 | Wyzard | tymonn_: Is the empty partition located directly after your root partition on the disk? |
| 17:33.21 | tymonn_ | enouf: thanks for the compliment :) |
| 17:33.22 | enouf | tymonn_: i'd have to say recent version of gparted livecd boot |
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| 17:33.51 | tymonn_ | Wyzard: i think its behind |
| 17:34.08 | tymonn_ | enouf: :) let me search |
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| 17:34.14 | enouf | tymonn_: now, that doesn't mean the debian-installer can't do it successfully, but ,... always have backups, any method you choose |
| 17:34.36 | tymonn_ | enouf: ;) indeed |
| 17:34.43 | tymonn_ | enouf: what do you do, do u work at this area? |
| 17:35.01 | enouf | tymonn_: the debian installer is great and extremely flexible, and "expert{gui}" boot givers you more control |
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| 17:35.44 | enouf | tymonn_: to be honest, i haben't used the installer since Etch came out, so more than 1 year |
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| 17:35.52 | dutchfish | Nyle, x11 is slightly less worse then xv, althernative full screen mode worsen both methods, xserver-xorg-video-ati is about the same as xserver-xserver-video-radeonhd, but the last one performance better on the desktop screen (less latency on the desktop) |
| 17:36.00 | enouf | tymonn_: pleas read the installation guide |
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| 17:36.28 | polachok | i posted a bug into bugzilla 2 days ago, but nobody replied ): what I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:36.45 | tymonn_ | enouf: :) i will, this kinda shit always scare me xD we eventually end up loosing something |
| 17:36.52 | enouf | tymonn_: i'm a man of many facets, and no, i'm not a dev, and no , i can't write code ;-) |
| 17:36.53 | dutchfish | Nyle, if i remember right there was an option to skip frames that came in to late in vlc but i forgot how to do it |
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| 17:37.15 | dutchfish | Nyle, its suboptimal bet gives less headaches |
| 17:37.16 | enouf | tymonn_: do it once or twice, and your comfortable ;-) |
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| 17:37.35 | enouf | you're* |
| 17:37.52 | azexian | can someone help me setup a touchscreen? trying to use evtouch, at the moment it moves, but it's quite far out, calibrate.sh doesn't work, is there any way of doing it? |
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| 17:38.21 | abrotman | stands up the touchscreen |
| 17:38.47 | tymonn_ | enouf: what do u do then? :D |
| 17:38.50 | julud | Is it likely I am getting errors due to running unstable? |
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| 17:39.03 | azexian | abrotman: doesn't work :p |
| 17:39.05 | dutchfish | Nyle, gl is impossible because of no dri, it worsen things dramatically |
| 17:39.10 | enouf | tymonn_: it's not for here discussion, this is a debain support channel |
| 17:39.15 | enouf | debian* |
| 17:39.18 | abrotman | julud: depends on the error |
| 17:39.39 | Jemt | Greetz. Using 'wget url/doc.txt -O output.txt' messes up the special characters like Ã, Ã and Ã
which I need. How do I fix that? |
| 17:39.58 | julud | abrotman: I cant build with iostream, and I think I have all the appropriate packages insatlled |
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| 17:40.36 | abrotman | julud: because you have no iostream.h ? |
| 17:40.37 | enouf | tymonn_: and i really need to go .. so no PMs please .. i'm here a lot, we'll meet again (not that i desire to talk to you about myself :-P) |
| 17:40.54 | dutchfish | Nyle, in no fullscreen mode everythin gis excellent, no problems then |
| 17:41.08 | Wyzard | Jemt: What encoding is the file using? |
| 17:41.17 | Jemt | Wyzard: ISO-8859-1 |
| 17:41.45 | Jemt | Wyzard: The computer fetching the file has locale set to UTF-8 |
| 17:41.49 | Jemt | (If that's any help) |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | julud: numerous packages have an iostream.h |
| 17:41.55 | Wyzard | Jemt: That's the reason, then |
| 17:42.09 | julud | abrotman: I have found /usr/include/c++/4.3/iostream , but I get errors when compiling -->> jkxbm.net/iostream_help |
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| 17:42.18 | Jemt | Wyzard: Using UTF-8 encoding on the document should fix the problem then ? |
| 17:42.27 | azexian | anyone? need to setup a touchscreen, it works now, it's just really far out of sync, need to calibrate it, but calibrate.sh doesn't work, any help appreciated. |
| 17:42.30 | Wyzard | Jemt: Yes, that'd be the ideal solution |
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| 17:42.51 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay, thanks :) |
| 17:42.57 | dutchfish | Nyle, i dont want to use fglrx the old way |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | julud: and if you use the full path to the .h ? |
| 17:43.10 | Wyzard | Jemt: Alternatively, you may be able to change the encoding of the terminal where you're displaying the file (gnome-terminal at least has menu options for that), or using some tool to convert it to UTF-8 after downloading it (as opposed to saving it in UTF-8 in the first place) |
| 17:43.15 | tymonn_ | sorry enouf i didnt wanna bother you xD i was just wandering how do u know so much bout this awesome OS :) |
| 17:43.24 | abrotman | julud: find /usr/include/ -name iostream.h ? |
| 17:43.42 | Jemt | Wyzard: I need to display the content during Boot |
| 17:43.55 | julud | abrotman: /usr/include/c++/4.1.3/backward/iostream.h |
| 17:43.58 | nuno_nunes | http://projetofedora.org/Revista |
| 17:43.59 | enouf | tymonn_: you didn't bother me - but many here really know their shit .. hang around, you'll find them |
| 17:44.02 | nuno_nunes | sorry |
| 17:44.02 | Wyzard | Jemt: oh... if you're talking about the Linux console, that's different |
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| 17:44.10 | Jemt | Wyzard: I am |
| 17:44.11 | enouf | tymonn_: ok, i'm out |
| 17:44.14 | nuno_nunes | Plz help to configure this wireless card in a notebook dell inspiron 1525 |
| 17:44.20 | nuno_nunes | plz help |
| 17:44.23 | nuno_nunes | !pt |
| 17:44.23 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:44.26 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh well, I'll try saving the document using UTF-8 to begin with :) |
| 17:44.46 | Wyzard | Jemt: I think UTF-8 works on a framebuffer console, but the text-mode console is limited to 8-bit codepages, I believe |
| 17:44.53 | julud | abrotman: same error with iostream.h |
| 17:45.21 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh, that means UTF-8 is not supported by the console natively ? |
| 17:45.37 | abrotman | julud: whata bout the libstlport -dev packages ? |
| 17:45.45 | abrotman | julud: or maybe ask #gcc |
| 17:45.56 | Wyzard | Jemt: afaik, yes, but I'm not an expert on the matter |
| 17:46.01 | Toad | enouf: seems to be installing ok this time... (fingers crossed) |
| 17:46.11 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay. A simple test should reveal the answer :) |
| 17:46.12 | Toad | so either it needed to sleep, it needed a bios reset, or i just haven't crashed quite yet |
| 17:46.19 | Jemt | Thanks again, I'll go testing now. BRB :) |
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| 17:46.40 | azexian | anyone? need to setup a touchscreen, it works now, it's just really far out of sync, need to calibrate it, but calibrate.sh doesn't work, any help appreciated. |
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| 17:48.03 | tymonn_ | cya enouf :) and thanks |
| 17:48.04 | echelon | Hi |
| 17:48.08 | tymonn_ | nuno_nunes: és portugues? |
| 17:48.16 | wols_ | !pt |
| 17:48.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 17:48.25 | julud | abrotman: You think if I downgrade to testing it might work? |
| 17:48.36 | tymonn_ | wols_: sorry, just checking something |
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| 17:49.40 | abrotman | julud: can't really downgrade .. i suspect you're including the file badly .. or it's not where the compiler expects it |
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| 17:50.56 | DawnLight | what's the easiest, simplest way to remotely access an X session? |
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| 17:51.30 | criso | how do I reinstall dpkg + base debian packages? |
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| 17:51.47 | echelon | i'm trying to install this.. ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mumble/mumble_1.1.4-2_i386.deb |
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| 17:51.51 | stiv2k | hello, how come this old Celeron system I have here will suspend to disk but not suspend to RAM ? it says 'kernel will not suspend to RAM' Is this a hardware limitation or what? |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | criso: why? |
| 17:51.59 | echelon | but it says it depends on libasound2 |
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| 17:52.04 | echelon | but i already have libasound2 |
| 17:52.08 | criso | I lost my /var |
| 17:52.15 | echelon | i'm running etch |
| 17:52.31 | echelon | can anyone try installing that? |
| 17:52.33 | criso | i know there is a way to install everything fresh |
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| 17:53.15 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 17:53.16 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 17:53.43 | criso | thanks |
| 17:54.10 | julud | abrotman: I tried using g++ instead of gcc and it seemed to work. Guess I need to read more docs |
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| 17:54.17 | abrotman | julud: or ask #gcc :) |
| 17:54.47 | nuno_nunes | Plz help to configure this wireless card in a notebook dell inspiron 1525 |
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| 17:55.00 | _N0W4Y0UT_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7969777/ |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:56.14 | g__sin | can anyone tell me what files to download for dvd install using bittorrent |
| 17:56.15 | stiv2k | Anyone here use the Intel i810 graphics processor? |
| 17:56.16 | g__sin | ? |
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| 17:56.47 | JyZyXEL | !anyone |
| 17:56.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 17:57.25 | echelon | Hello?! |
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| 17:58.19 | g__sin | can anyone tell me what files to download for dvd install using bittorrent? there's dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3... do i need all three? |
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| 17:59.03 | dutchfish | !tell g__sin about netinstall |
| 17:59.46 | g__sin | i dont wanna do a net install |
| 17:59.52 | nuno_nunes | Plz help to configure this wireless card in a notebook dell inspiron 1525 |
| 18:00.00 | stiv2k | Anyone here use the Intel i810 graphics processor? |
| 18:00.13 | dutchfish | g__sin, then you need at least dvd 1, it all depends in what you want to install |
| 18:00.31 | g__sin | dutchfish: dvd 1 is for min. install rite? |
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| 18:00.53 | dutchfish | g__sin, yes, cd 1 might do as well |
| 18:01.01 | Nyle | damn power failure! |
| 18:01.06 | Nyle | shakes his fist |
| 18:01.08 | dutchfish | g__sin, for a basic desktop you need dvd 1 (gnome) |
| 18:01.18 | dutchfish | Nyle, ? |
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| 18:01.40 | g__sin | dutchfish: for dev purposes? |
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| 18:02.03 | dutchfish | g__sin, 1 and 3 for sure 2 i doubt |
| 18:02.14 | g__sin | dutchfish: i mostly need python |
| 18:02.33 | dutchfish | g__sin, then i would surely prefer netinstall |
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| 18:02.42 | g__sin | dutchfish: is there a way to find out the contents of each before downloading? |
| 18:02.58 | Nyle | yes |
| 18:03.03 | dutchfish | g__sin, yes |
| 18:03.07 | Nyle | !cd contents |
| 18:03.07 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 18:03.16 | g__sin | dutchfish: can i do a netinstall on vmware? |
| 18:03.21 | Nyle | g__sin, yes |
| 18:03.24 | dutchfish | g__sin, sure |
| 18:03.48 | g__sin | please guide me on that.. |
| 18:03.52 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 18:03.53 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 18:03.56 | Nyle | !ig |
| 18:03.57 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:03.58 | dutchfish | g__sin, you even dont need to burn the iso then |
| 18:04.26 | Nyle | token |
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| 18:04.48 | stiv2k | hello, how come this old Celeron system I have here will suspend to disk but not suspend to RAM ? it says 'kernel will not suspend to RAM' Is this a hardware limitation or what? |
| 18:05.16 | g__sin | dutchfish: i need the iso cz first i jus wanna get a feel of debian on vmware... |
| 18:05.33 | g__sin | dutchfish: later i will be installin it on my mahine |
| 18:05.42 | dutchfish | Nyle, got a bit better with vlc, x11 was best choice, but fullscreen is still a bit jumpy |
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| 18:05.52 | dutchfish | g__sin, ok |
| 18:06.43 | dutchfish | Nyle, compiling another kernel atm with othe roptions |
| 18:06.52 | Wyzard | dutchfish: x11 mode is very inefficient for playing video, especially if you're doing scaling (e.g. fullscreen) |
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| 18:07.08 | dutchfish | Wyzard, xv is more jumpy |
| 18:07.22 | Wyzard | dutchfish: sounds like a driver problem then, or a bad video card |
| 18:07.38 | dutchfish | Wyzard, not bad card, but no dri (yet) |
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| 18:07.53 | Wyzard | dutchfish: xv hands off the raw decoded YUV frames to the video card, and the video card does colorspace conversion and scaling |
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| 18:08.19 | Wyzard | dutchfish: It's a legacy thing that you shouldn't need DRI for, afaik... it's not using the 3D engine |
| 18:08.22 | dutchfish | Wyzard, enlighten me what i should do with vlc? |
| 18:08.36 | Wyzard | dutchfish: I don't know much about vlc (I use mplayer) |
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| 18:08.46 | cb3rob2 | me neither |
| 18:08.53 | cb3rob2 | apart from that vlc looks really crappy and cheap |
| 18:09.01 | Wyzard | dutchfish: I'm just pointing out that using the "x11" display option is doing colorspace conversion and image scaling entirely on your CPU |
| 18:09.05 | dutchfish | Wyzard, so i should xv as best choice, how can i skip missed frames then? |
| 18:09.21 | Nyle | enable frame dropping |
| 18:09.28 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes, i saw the high load on the cpu |
| 18:09.31 | cb3rob2 | --framedrophard or --framedrop |
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| 18:10.00 | cb3rob2 | uh.. -hardframedrop and -framedrop thatis |
| 18:10.22 | dutchfish | Wyzard, dvx playback and others are fine, only dvd playback from drive or iso as jumpy |
| 18:10.34 | cb3rob2 | and -double or something |
| 18:10.38 | cb3rob2 | to make it buffer more |
| 18:10.41 | cb3rob2 | on slow drives |
| 18:10.47 | cb3rob2 | such as dvd/network/etc |
| 18:11.04 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, i can do that in the gui under preferences? where? |
| 18:11.08 | cb3rob2 | no idea |
| 18:11.14 | cb3rob2 | i think gmplayer takes the same parameters |
| 18:11.18 | cb3rob2 | never use gmplayer.. |
| 18:11.24 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, i can figure that out, np |
| 18:11.34 | cb3rob2 | only use it with vesa output to a vga card with scart out. |
| 18:11.39 | cb3rob2 | (Also to tv's ;) |
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| 18:12.08 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, no, i only use output to default screen (lcd) |
| 18:12.27 | cb3rob2 | hmm. u use gmplayer then? |
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| 18:12.34 | cb3rob2 | as in that gui thing? |
| 18:12.38 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, no vlc |
| 18:12.46 | cb3rob2 | ah |
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| 18:13.09 | g00se | May have remove some files manually so aptitude won't purge properly. How can i clean up? |
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| 18:13.39 | dutchfish | g00se, aptitude has purge option |
| 18:13.46 | JDLSpeedy | W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
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| 18:13.54 | JDLSpeedy | ^^ how can I fix that? |
| 18:13.59 | g00se | dutchfish: i know - it won't purge |
| 18:14.14 | stiv2k | hello, how come this old Celeron system I have here will suspend to disk but not suspend to RAM ? it says 'kernel will not suspend to RAM' Is this a hardware limitation? |
| 18:14.15 | Wyzard | JDLSpeedy: non-US doesn't exist anymore... what version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:14.35 | JDLSpeedy | Wyzard: lenny |
| 18:14.49 | Wyzard | JDLSpeedy: then you have no need for non-US sources |
| 18:14.53 | g00se | dutchfish: complains about missing conf files and falls over |
| 18:15.02 | JDLSpeedy | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 18:15.16 | dutchfish | g00se, you tried aptitude reinstall foo? |
| 18:15.18 | wols_ | g00se: edit the offending script instead and use apt-gte again |
| 18:15.48 | g00se | dutchfish: don't want to do that unless no other way |
| 18:16.10 | g00se | wols_: my policy now is only to use aptitude |
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| 18:16.37 | wols_ | you can use aptitude then isntead of apt-get of course |
| 18:16.43 | dutchfish | g00se, me too, also i know there are still some small glitches |
| 18:16.51 | g00se | wols_: btw, what do you mean by 'the offending script'? |
| 18:17.12 | g00se | (I'm just trying to purge tomcat5) |
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| 18:17.27 | noritr | hello - does any one have a complete working iptables rule set for port forwarding to an internal http server that you could pastebin? |
| 18:17.31 | wols_ | aptitude tells you which script causes the error |
| 18:17.40 | wols_ | noritr: iptables |
| 18:17.46 | wols_ | noritr: at most it's two lines |
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| 18:17.59 | wols_ | noritr: #iptables rather |
| 18:18.24 | dutchfish | brb |
| 18:18.50 | g00se | wols_: this is tude's first objection: "userdel: user tomcat5 does not exist" (I deleted it) |
| 18:19.07 | wols_ | g00se: I doN't care about that |
| 18:19.40 | wols_ | g00se: or did I ask you to tell me any error message? but: if you start to do such things the FIRST thing you should learn is to give people full output |
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| 18:20.33 | g00se | wols_: Just trying to get a handle on what you mean by this 'script' thing |
| 18:20.38 | oriba | hello |
| 18:20.58 | mweichert | hey guys, any idea how I would apt-get a package but delay debconf (whiptail) ? |
| 18:21.16 | wols_ | g00se: the postrm or prerm script in this case most likely |
| 18:22.07 | mweichert | I've been using Capistrano for setting up servers and deploying my applications, but I need to postpone whiptail from asking me to enter a new root password |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | mweichert: --download-only |
| 18:22.26 | oriba | How to make gnash be accepted as aplugin in iceweasel? Do I have to do XUL-hacks? |
| 18:22.28 | abrotman | mweichert: it won't install it .. but it will at least download it |
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| 18:22.33 | g00se | wols_: ah ok. Never looked into this sort of thing before. Where are those normally? |
| 18:22.34 | mweichert | abrotman: but I want it installed, just not configured |
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| 18:24.42 | abrotman | mweichert: not tha ti'm aware of |
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| 18:24.53 | abrotman | mweichert: you could probably reset the passwd later |
| 18:24.54 | g00se | wols_: nm. Got them. Thanks |
| 18:25.00 | leachim6 | how come when I use a virtual machine to try to connect to this channel it says I'm banned |
| 18:25.24 | wols_ | leachim6: in this vm, are you root? |
| 18:25.25 | leachim6 | is anyone else not able to get to packages.debian.org ... it won't load for me |
| 18:25.29 | leachim6 | wols_, yeah |
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| 18:25.32 | wols_ | it's down yes |
| 18:25.36 | wols_ | and yes, root is banned |
| 18:25.37 | mweichert | abrotman: yes, but I can't get by the whiptail dialog - it doesn't seem to be sent across the ssh channel |
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| 18:26.17 | ekim|vz-linux | ahh ... now it works |
| 18:26.25 | ekim|vz-linux | I'm with leachim6 .... |
| 18:27.11 | mweichert | is there anyway to preceed a single apt-get command? |
| 18:27.38 | wols_ | preceed with what? |
| 18:27.46 | wols_ | what word is preceed? |
| 18:28.30 | abrotman | mweichert: you can change the front end of the debconf |
| 18:28.42 | mweichert | abrotman: oh? |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | mweichert: and those dialogs normally work over ssh |
| 18:28.54 | abrotman | mweichert: debconf can do readline or dialog .. |
| 18:28.57 | abrotman | or GUI optoins |
| 18:29.10 | mweichert | abrotman: how do I go about changing the behavior? |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 18:47.32 | JordiGH | Do we have an ETA on the lenny freeze? I can't find anything on the mailing lists. |
| 18:48.08 | wols_ | aparently basic packages are already frozen, so said streuner |
| 18:48.53 | JordiGH | gcc and friends? |
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| 18:49.04 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 18:49.04 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 18:51.26 | xingu | yawns |
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| 18:51.38 | JordiGH | Important and above is RC, right? |
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| 18:51.56 | szymon_g | !packages |
| 18:51.56 | dpkg | methinks packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
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| 18:55.06 | szymon_g | !deb |
| 18:55.07 | dpkg | methinks deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | szymon_g: /msg dpkg foo |
| 18:55.55 | szymon_g | thanx |
| 18:57.10 | JordiGH | Aw, no BSPs next to me. |
| 18:57.14 | JordiGH | They sound like fun. :-( |
| 18:57.18 | abrotman | organize one |
| 18:57.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't you live near MXC ? |
| 18:57.50 | JordiGH | Yeah. It'd be nice to have a DD here, though. The only one I know i damog, and he's not here anymore. |
| 18:58.01 | JordiGH | Btw, he's got a weird reputation. |
| 18:58.02 | abrotman | there is a DD in MXC .. maybe a few |
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| 18:58.11 | abrotman | Gunnar is still in MXC i think |
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| 18:58.38 | JordiGH | Gunnar Wolf? |
| 18:58.43 | abrotman | i thought so |
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| 19:00.02 | JordiGH | Oh, you're right. |
| 19:00.05 | JordiGH | He's at UNAM. |
| 19:00.14 | JordiGH | I'll be there on Monday. I'll ask him if he thinks a BSP here could be done. |
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| 19:01.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: then of course .. there is the IRC BSP running 24 hours a day |
| 19:01.48 | JordiGH | wants to socialise in meatspace and learn a thing or two. |
| 19:01.58 | JordiGH | Ooh, he uses Emacs. We'll get along just fine. |
| 19:02.01 | basix | can someone suggest a good firewall configuration utility? ( i'd prefer something like rc.firewall ) |
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| 19:02.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: but if you use the IRC channel .. you might find others near you |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | basix: iptables + $EDITOR ? |
| 19:02.52 | basix | abrotman: i'm too lazy to write my own rules :) i need some basic stuff like NATing Portforwarding, logging... |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | uhm .. i think they use shorewall usually ? |
| 19:03.08 | abrotman | they == lazy admins :) |
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| 19:03.24 | JordiGH | Wow, he's been using Emacs since he was six? |
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| 19:03.49 | linkmaster03 | how do I get out of root, after typing su |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | ctrl-d or exit or logout |
| 19:04.13 | linkmaster03 | thank you |
| 19:04.17 | abrotman | bah .. no more logout .. just exit |
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| 19:04.27 | linkmaster03 | meh exit didnt work but ctrl+d did lol |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | i guess logout works on virtual consoles .. not non-login shells |
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| 19:06.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: i thought he'd mentioned a few other DDs in MXC .. |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 19:08.32 | noritr1 | is any one available to help a port forward problem in a flood channel? |
| 19:08.43 | abrotman | on debian? |
| 19:09.09 | noritr1 | just linux |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman | which distro? ask ##linux if it's not Debian |
| 19:09.48 | noritr1 | is debian different from linux |
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| 19:10.07 | abrotman | it is if it's debian-bsd |
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| 19:11.57 | zoldar | hello, is it possible to load sata controller module after system start and somehow force device files creation (/dev/sda[X]) ? |
| 19:12.16 | robboplus | for multithreaded application... is there anything in debian to control core usage on multicore system? like to bound particular thread of the app to certain core? |
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| 19:13.58 | abrotman | robboplus: there is cpu affinity IIRC .. |
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| 19:14.33 | robboplus | abrotman hm... and i don't even know what that means :( |
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| 19:15.03 | abrotman | makes noises and points at google |
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| 19:15.16 | robboplus | yesyes |
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| 19:15.35 | enouf | Nyle clean up the inconsistencies, and dispell the myths; http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:16.16 | robboplus | abrotman hm.. that leads me to taskset |
| 19:16.36 | abrotman | i didn't do it |
| 19:16.40 | enouf | taskset is correct |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | enouf: he's MIA |
| 19:16.58 | enouf | abrotman: i know, he sucks |
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| 19:17.18 | abrotman | enouf: and when he comes back .. he should add #debian-offtopic to his auto-join |
| 19:17.28 | enouf | abrotman: absotively |
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| 19:17.52 | robboplus | enouf taskset.. looks like long night |
| 19:18.04 | enouf | robboplus: nah, it's cake |
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| 19:18.22 | robboplus | i mean it says about bounding particular process to given cpu... and how about particular THREAD in that process? |
| 19:18.24 | enouf | robboplus: taskset, nice, renice, ionice, etc |
| 19:18.44 | robboplus | or is that PID wise? |
| 19:18.49 | enouf | oh ..well, that's what SMP is for :-P |
| 19:18.59 | enouf | could be |
| 19:19.08 | enouf | who wrote the software? |
| 19:19.10 | robboplus | then it would rock my nuts.. |
| 19:19.17 | enouf | MPoop? never happen |
| 19:19.28 | robboplus | he he |
| 19:19.51 | enouf | robboplus: wait until you've had your salad tossed :-P |
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| 19:20.26 | robboplus | ... |
| 19:20.54 | enouf | yeeeeeessss </morpheus with an evil grin> |
| 19:22.22 | AHA | How do you move a folder from one place to another using terminal? |
| 19:22.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | man mv |
| 19:22.48 | enouf | well, mv |
| 19:23.28 | AHA | thanks |
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| 19:23.58 | enouf | i like rsync + rm myslef though :-P |
| 19:24.42 | verblendet | smbfs: mount_data version 1029990773 is not supported <-- this messagee in dmesg when trying to mount an windows2000 share, other install (previous used fedora3) has not the problem, whats wrong? |
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| 19:25.45 | enouf | what command did you use? |
| 19:26.02 | verblendet | enouf, i have it in my fstab |
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| 19:26.27 | verblendet | /192.168.10.49/Video /mnt/osimara/video smbfs user,uid=517,gid=517,user,username=user,password=secret,port=139,rw 0 0 |
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| 19:26.35 | verblendet | and on my old fc3 it works, argh |
| 19:26.37 | RuyalarPrensi | !turkish |
| 19:26.38 | dpkg | turkish is probably #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
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| 19:27.16 | verblendet | since i used debian nothing would work out of the box.... udev suxx, samba suxx, cf card reader wont ruzn, pcmcia stops working |
| 19:27.22 | enouf | verblendet: not for nothing. but try cifs, not smbfs |
| 19:27.39 | enouf | ahh .. a weenie |
| 19:27.58 | verblendet | i dont know cifs, i used to use samba all the time, what is cifs? isnt samba supported anymore in deb? or is it patched to death? |
| 19:28.28 | verblendet | a weeenie, oh yes, thats all you can say if someone mentions this problems in debian, thank you |
| 19:28.36 | verblendet | how arrogant |
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| 19:28.46 | enouf | so, setup debian correctly, make everything work - then install fedora and try to share the same /home and configs .. Bwahahahahaha |
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| 19:29.30 | enouf | even weenies know cifs is for win2kPoop + |
| 19:29.35 | verblendet | setup a samba client ? why do i need to setup anything? |
| 19:29.59 | verblendet | enouf, i share the same fstab entry on both installs... |
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| 19:30.13 | verblendet | but i am a weenie, seems not to be a debian problem... ok |
| 19:30.18 | enouf | i know |
| 19:30.41 | enouf | i don't do windows personally |
| 19:31.00 | DawnLight | x11vnc crashes when i try to log in. http://pastebin.org/45201 . help! |
| 19:31.05 | enouf | so i personally don't give a crap - maybe someone else does/will |
| 19:31.21 | verblendet | this has nothing to do with windows, it worked before, and you can't change much in windows.... |
| 19:31.46 | verblendet | enouf, so stop bugging me and stop calling me a weenie, thank you |
| 19:31.48 | verblendet | i should become an asshole to run debian successfully? |
| 19:31.54 | verblendet | i think so. |
| 19:31.58 | verblendet | pfff |
| 19:31.59 | petemc | you're already there |
| 19:31.59 | enouf | ok, how about this, i have no reason to know about samba and cifs, get it? |
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| 19:32.39 | enouf | but atleast i enlightened your dumbass about cifs |
| 19:33.08 | DawnLight | can you enlighten me too? |
| 19:33.19 | DawnLight | my ass is still dumb |
| 19:33.29 | enouf | DawnLight: hiya dearie .. hrm .. i |
| 19:33.33 | enouf | 'm tired |
| 19:33.48 | DawnLight | k |
| 19:33.49 | enouf | stop that talk now you |
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| 19:38.06 | cR1sH | Hi :) Does anybody know an opensrc project like The Interactive Disassembler (IDA) thanks |
| 19:39.33 | kanzure | Interactive disassembler? Sounds interesting. |
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| 19:48.34 | Zirg | Hey Gang. I need to find out which package installs /sbin/rpc.statd and I 'thought' the way was dpkg -b /sbin/rpc.statd but that fails. What IS the right command? |
| 19:49.05 | enouf | cR1sH <-- another dumbass, this time a drive-by weenie, see http://asm.sourceforge.net/resources.html and find biew |
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| 19:50.25 | Zirg | Anyone? |
| 19:50.47 | enouf | !tell Zirg -about search |
| 19:51.07 | enouf | !apt-file |
| 19:51.07 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
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| 19:51.39 | fr00g | hi, where in /proc can i see the disc usage? |
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| 19:51.53 | extor | I installed the package php5-xdebug on a lenny system and it seems to have added some frills to error messages and to var_dump() but is there any documentation I can find which tells me the full features I added by installing this package? |
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| 19:52.46 | petemc | extor: anything in /usr/share/doc/php5-xdebug/ ? |
| 19:52.55 | Zirg | enouf: Thank You, Good Sir! |
| 19:53.10 | Zirg | install and it seems that nfs-common is b0rkd. :-( |
| 19:55.40 | r0b | how can i downgrade a package with aptitude? |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 19:55.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 19:56.21 | drizzd | apt-get remove package; apt-get install package/oldversion doesn't work? |
| 19:57.13 | r0b | im having issues with vlc, i get sound but no video and i want to downgrade to the previous version, i see both version in synaptic and it gives me an option to go to the old one, as soon as i select it, it wants to go back to the current and not install the previous version |
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| 19:58.34 | yacc_ | Any idea how to figure out what is causing a high loadavg? top shows only 5 processes running, ps ax | grep D show no processes in D state, .. |
| 19:58.39 | DanDare | r0b you tried do complete removal the old package ? |
| 19:58.44 | giggoooggg | ?is there an open office suppport channel? |
| 19:58.49 | r0b | 0.8.6.e-2.3+b1 is the current and i want to go back to 0.8.6.c-6+lenny5, when i select the force version in synaptic it switches but wont let me install it |
| 19:58.49 | yacc_ | And I have still loadavg between 11 and 15? |
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| 19:59.35 | r0b | DanDare: i removed the vlc 0.8.6.e-2.3+b1, then tried to force version to the old one and it wants to install the current instead |
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| 20:00.46 | r0b | so i cant install the older version with aptitude? |
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| 20:01.29 | DanDare | r0b there´s a option to complete remove the package, including its folders and config files... i hope you tried this |
| 20:02.46 | r0b | no i didnt |
| 20:05.37 | r0b | DanDare: you talking about deborphan |
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| 20:08.36 | DanDare | r0b: "For a complete removal of the package, run: # apt-get --purge remove gnome-panel" |
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| 20:08.46 | DanDare | r0b: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 20:09.20 | r0b | ok so how would i install the old version when synaptic force version wont work |
| 20:09.54 | DanDare | r0b: try to complete removal of the old one and them try installing the old one, tried this ? |
| 20:10.33 | DanDare | *complete removal of the current and then installing the new |
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| 20:11.01 | r0b | i removed it completely but it still wants to install the newest version |
| 20:11.12 | r0b | i want the other version it has in the repos |
| 20:11.47 | DanDare | its weird what´s happening to you o.O |
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| 20:12.46 | r0b | lol |
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| 20:13.59 | DanDare | r0b what´s this, its VNC ? |
| 20:14.08 | r0b | vlc |
| 20:14.50 | DanDare | its like vnc ? |
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| 20:15.36 | Benzi | hey, can someone help me figure out why udevd has stopped running at startup? |
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| 20:17.09 | lvh | hey |
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| 20:17.43 | Benzi | hmm... |
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| 20:23.43 | r0b | does anyone know how to install the older version of vlc vlc_0.8.6c-6 thats in the repos and not the newest vlc-0.8.6.e-2.1 that came from sid, i wouldnt have upgraded it if i knew it was gonna have problems |
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| 20:38.20 | robboplus | err configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables ? |
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| 20:38.31 | robboplus | i forgot again... what is wrong with that? prepating fresh box |
| 20:38.37 | robboplus | preparing* |
| 20:39.21 | esaym | what is the weather desktop widget this guy has in the screen shots: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Karbonit?content=48800 ? |
| 20:39.37 | delight | hello. I'm googling now over a couple hours to find out what the command was to change all java-commands in the alternative system with just one command (update-alternatives --config javasystemconfsomething) |
| 20:39.58 | delight | does anybody now ? |
| 20:40.08 | petemc | look in /etc/alternatives/ |
| 20:40.20 | delight | i did .. .its not in there |
| 20:40.44 | petemc | it needs ot be in there for update-alternatives to work |
| 20:40.52 | delight | petemc: i did only see the the single java-commands like rmic rmid etc. etc. |
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| 20:41.15 | delight | there is not the one that twist all of them in one call |
| 20:41.31 | delight | and i know there is one ... i just forgot about it |
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| 20:45.56 | l_r | hello. i want to make a second local user to connect to the same local X server. When i do "sudo xhost +local" manually the X clients can connect, while when adding the entry "local:" to /etc/X0.hosts, as suggested by the X manuals, the thing does not work, until i still do "sudo xhost +local" manually. do you have any idea? |
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| 20:47.15 | jelly-home | l_r: why not just copy the xauthority file |
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| 20:47.54 | l_r | jelly-home, because it changes after any access of the other local user which start x at first |
| 20:47.57 | up365 | esaym, you should find various "desklets" here - to install Desklets, go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager and scroll down or search |
| 20:49.07 | jelly-home | l_r: well you could do it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
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| 20:49.58 | l_r | jelly-home, before modifying the scripts i d like to know why the solution provided by the doc is wrong.. |
| 20:50.25 | esaym | hmm I will check it out |
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| 20:52.23 | up365 | esaym, once installed launch from Applications>Accessories>Desklets |
| 20:53.11 | esaym | up365: or add to kde autolaunch? |
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| 20:54.11 | up365 | esaym, I guess you could do that also |
| 20:54.23 | esaym | I am going to find out ;) |
| 20:54.29 | wackarnolds1 | if i dl the install dvds for the stable release via bittorrent do i need all 4 of the dvds listed or just any one of them |
| 20:54.33 | up365 | good luck |
| 20:55.18 | wackarnolds1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 20:55.20 | esaym | oh and what is the deal with packages.debian running like a snail for the last two days? |
| 20:55.21 | wackarnolds1 | from there |
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| 21:06.23 | l403 | hi. where is the sript that is started at boot for normal apps. I read that in /etc/rdS.d but there isnt such folder |
| 21:07.30 | svenx | l403: all scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ are started |
| 21:08.11 | svenx | l403: the very simplest thing you can do is to add your stuff to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:09.13 | l403 | rc# the number is the boot phase? |
| 21:09.23 | svenx | it's the runlevel. in debian, runlevel 2 is the standard multiuser level |
| 21:09.44 | l403 | and if it has tu run under user? |
| 21:09.53 | svenx | what? |
| 21:10.48 | l403 | I need to autorun an irc bot |
| 21:11.03 | l403 | it cannot be run under root of courses |
| 21:11.39 | l403 | its supposed tu run on a vps |
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| 21:11.56 | G-- | hi. |
| 21:12.15 | svenx | i'm not sure what the cleanest alternative would be, but debian's vixie cron (default) has an "@reboot" directive to run stuff once at startup |
| 21:12.22 | aleksanteri | l403, use sudo? sudo -u <user> <command> |
| 21:12.33 | G-- | I just installed debian plus webserver |
| 21:12.49 | G-- | but it keeps rederecting me to apache2-default |
| 21:12.56 | l403 | aleksanteri: yes |
| 21:12.58 | G-- | even if i place a index.php |
| 21:13.03 | G-- | in the www folder |
| 21:13.32 | G-- | what is the reason for this, and is there a solution? |
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| 21:14.39 | svenx | G--: you didn't install php..? |
| 21:14.41 | linkmaster03 | How can I change my WM on debian from GNOME to IceWM |
| 21:14.54 | G-- | it does the same with .html |
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| 21:15.15 | Guerin | linkmaster03: man xsession |
| 21:15.18 | CoolCold | who know, is there any web log of this channel? |
| 21:15.21 | l403 | yay! a README. cool |
| 21:15.24 | linkmaster03 | Guerin: thanks |
| 21:15.29 | Guerin | !beer l403 |
| 21:15.29 | dpkg | pours a litre of Piraat for l403 |
| 21:15.39 | Guerin | CoolCold: there are some on the interwebs |
| 21:15.53 | Guerin | CoolCold: if you lurk here you can make your own |
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| 21:16.15 | l403 | Guerin: I only drink Budvar or Pilsner |
| 21:16.50 | G-- | could you guys help me? |
| 21:16.51 | svenx | G--: what does your sites-enabled/000-default say about the situation? it should have the answer |
| 21:16.53 | Guerin | l403: urquell, i presmue. |
| 21:16.59 | l403 | yes |
| 21:17.01 | svenx | G--: that would be /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000.. |
| 21:17.11 | G-- | ok, thanks |
| 21:17.12 | G-- | 3 sec |
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| 21:20.11 | oren | i have only 10gb in the debian partition. can i expand this partition by taking from the other partition (bigger, with ubuntu)? |
| 21:20.44 | CoolCold | Guerin: 10x, found it |
| 21:20.56 | pipeline | oren: No. |
| 21:21.06 | G-- | thanks guys |
| 21:21.08 | pipeline | oren: there are tools that can do it, but it's not exactly a safe process. |
| 21:21.09 | G-- | there was a line |
| 21:21.13 | G-- | which redirected to apache2 |
| 21:21.16 | G-- | that directory |
| 21:21.20 | G-- | I removed it |
| 21:21.23 | G-- | restarted apache2 |
| 21:21.28 | G-- | and now it works |
| 21:21.33 | G-- | it opens the index.html |
| 21:21.36 | G-- | instead |
| 21:21.38 | G-- | !! |
| 21:21.38 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:21.40 | G-- | thanks a lot! |
| 21:21.46 | G-- | for the help |
| 21:21.47 | CalebRipley | Is there a alternative way to share the wireless-tools for etch (without packages.debian.org or programms like apt-get)? I am only able to download packages via a WinXP-PC and packages.debian.org seems to be offline. |
| 21:21.57 | l403 | going to the store. Who wants the Pilsner :-D |
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| 21:22.11 | G-- | haha |
| 21:22.15 | G-- | I am off, thanks again! |
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| 21:22.19 | oren | pipeline: is the an alternative? i want to have more space for debian. |
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| 21:29.40 | oren | can i free more harddisk space and use it for debian? i only have 10gb and want more space. |
| 21:29.49 | pipeline | oren: yes |
| 21:30.01 | pipeline | oren: If you used LVM during setup, you can use any space, contiguous or otherwise. |
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| 21:30.08 | pipeline | oren: if you did not use LVM, you will need contiguous free space. |
| 21:30.18 | pipeline | oren: you can not, however, safely shrink the space in use by something else. |
| 21:30.30 | pipeline | oren: growing = safe, no downtime. shrinking = dangerous, downtime operation. |
| 21:31.11 | oren | pipeline: i didn't use LVM. what do u mean by growing. how do i actually do it? |
| 21:31.30 | oren | !lvm |
| 21:31.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, or <lvm removedisk> |
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| 21:31.58 | pipeline | oren: vgdisplay will tell you about LVM configuration on your system. |
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| 21:32.36 | pipeline | oren: cfdisk will allow you to edit your system's partition table in order to extend the partition. resize2fs and ext2online are tools that will grow the filesystem after the partition has been extended. |
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| 21:34.06 | oren | pipeline: i'll google for all those tools. thanks. |
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| 21:38.35 | helo_ | how can i see if a NIC link is up or down? |
| 21:39.04 | helo_ | i'm getting some confusing info from dmesg/messages |
| 21:39.10 | svenx | helo_: ip link show |
| 21:39.24 | svenx | assumes you have the package 'iproute' installed. you should |
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| 21:40.39 | Xenguy | helo_: ifconfig -a ? |
| 21:41.13 | Xenguy | helo_: or maybe also: tail /var/log/messages |
| 21:41.35 | Xenguy | !blosxom |
| 21:41.44 | Guerin_ | blosxom is awsesome |
| 21:42.13 | Xenguy | Guerin_: I'm finding the Debian package rather, er, spartan =) |
| 21:42.18 | Guerin | they are a bit |
| 21:42.46 | Xenguy | it's gonna take some research by the looks of it |
| 21:42.56 | Guerin | i installed it by unpacking the upstream tarball into my www dir |
| 21:43.13 | Xenguy | Guerin: didn't use the package then? |
| 21:43.40 | Guerin | Xenguy: yeah, makes it easier to have multiple versions and to hack on |
| 21:43.44 | Guerin | it's supremely hackable |
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| 21:43.58 | Guerin | Xenguy: spend a few hours just looking at how it all works in together, and you'll come to realise it'll basically do whatever you want it to, presuming you know a bit of html and css |
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| 21:44.43 | vadmeste | Hi everyone |
| 21:44.43 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:44.56 | RuyalarPrensi | hi canım |
| 21:45.01 | Xenguy | Guerin: I do, so I should be fine... I don't really understand though the seeming need for debian to put web stuff in all kinds of different locations, instead of just K.I.S. under /var/www... |
| 21:45.11 | Guerin | Xenguy: me too. |
| 21:45.44 | Xenguy | Guerin: like /usr/share/lib, and /var/... |
| 21:45.46 | vadmeste | I am trying to use Evolution 2.6.3 behind a proxy, but Evolution try first to resolve DNS (without contacting proxy) |
| 21:45.50 | vadmeste | what can I do ? |
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| 21:46.00 | Guerin | Xenguy: rt2k6.feayn.org is the site I set up in a couple hours for my ill-fated world tour on it |
| 21:46.21 | Guerin | (back in ought-6) |
| 21:46.21 | Xenguy | Guerin: heh, OK, I'll have a look - tx |
| 21:46.38 | helo_ | i can't ssh into this box,but should... my dhcp server log says "unexpected ICMP Echo Reply from 192.168.2.45" |
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| 21:48.01 | oren | i decided to wipe my harddisk and install debian. do i 2 partitions (ext3 and swap) or should i have another one for home? |
| 21:48.22 | Xenguy | Guerin: BTW are you still in KR (if you don't want to answer publicly, I understand :-) |
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| 21:49.12 | Guerin | Xenguy: nope, I left in feb 06 for the trip documented on that website. Been back here in Nyu Zillun since June 06. |
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| 21:49.32 | Guerin | wouldn't have liked to be in seoul for the beef riots |
| 21:49.38 | Xenguy | oren: lazy people (like me :-) just go with 1 linux + 1 swap, but I also use a 100Mb partition for /boot, to avoid previously encountered mbr hassles |
| 21:50.14 | oren | Xenguy: got it. |
| 21:51.01 | Xenguy | Guerin: NZ sounds like a really nice place to be from what I've read |
| 21:51.31 | Guerin | Xenguy: it's wonderfully provincial, but we all think we're terribly sophisticated. |
| 21:51.41 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 21:52.13 | Xenguy | Guerin: the multiplicity of climate zones in that country sounds exotic |
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| 21:52.54 | Guerin | yeah, we like to think of ourselves as diverse, too |
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| 21:54.37 | Nyle | hey |
| 21:54.50 | Nyle | I just made Chana Masala |
| 21:54.55 | Guerin | winner! |
| 21:55.01 | Nyle | yay i learned how to cook |
| 21:55.02 | Nyle | ! |
| 21:55.14 | Nyle | now i dont' have to go to my sis house to get paki food |
| 21:55.33 | Nyle | Guerin, they got a tomato epidemic in usa these days i think |
| 21:55.49 | Guerin | izzatright |
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| 21:57.01 | |seb| | how get local changes to an installed package? |
| 21:57.23 | |seb| | is there some apt-get command? |
| 21:57.52 | Xenguy | Guerin: From what I hear, it's not easy to get citizenship there |
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| 22:00.16 | Guerin | Xenguy: depends. One of my crew has just immigrated from NYC and is pitching for permanent residency (so she can get a postgraduate education without paying six figures for it) |
| 22:00.39 | Guerin | |seb|: nope. |
| 22:01.38 | paakku | I am getting a large number of test failures when building libffi 3.0.5-4 on what dpkg calls i386. These are in execution tests and preceded by "Host is x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" so I'm guessing it tries to run some 64-bit code and the CPU does not support that. Is the package intended to run these tests? |
| 22:01.51 | |seb| | Guerin: i can't be 1st person that ever wanted to revert tweaks!..i suppose i could force a reinstall of package but that seems a little rough |
| 22:02.16 | Guerin | |seb|: configuration tweaks? |
| 22:02.32 | |seb| | Guerin: yea |
| 22:03.05 | Guerin | paakku: seems more likely it's a gcc mismatch. |
| 22:03.12 | paakku | Does any of you have a libffi i386 build log I could compare with mine? |
| 22:03.32 | paakku | Guerin: What sort of gcc mismatch? |
| 22:03.32 | Guerin | |seb|: purge and reinstall isn't too hard. |
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| 22:03.49 | Guerin | paakku: if it's old and you're building wiht a new gcc, or vice versa |
| 22:04.05 | Guerin | try building with a contemporaneous gcc |
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| 22:04.24 | |seb| | Guerin: true...kernel seems a little scarier |
| 22:04.29 | |seb| | though |
| 22:06.44 | paakku | gcc 4.2.1-5 (from 2007-09-02), libffi 3.0.5-4 (from 2008-05-25)... okay I'll try a newer gcc. Thanks. |
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| 22:09.06 | paakku | Does this succeed with current coreutils? mkdir -p a b/a; touch a/x; mv a b/ |
| 22:09.32 | paakku | The libffi build attempted a similar thing, resulting in an error from mv. |
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| 22:15.11 | paakku | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=libffi&ver=3.0.5-4&arch=sparc&stamp=1211741508&file=log shows the mv apparently succeeds nowadays. |
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| 22:15.42 | helo_ | i'm having some trouble using a usb KVM switch... the mouse is just going crazy when i move it |
| 22:17.51 | ampex | helo_: stop drinking so much coffee |
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| 22:18.43 | RuyalarPrensi | !turkish |
| 22:18.43 | dpkg | somebody said turkish was #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 22:19.46 | helo_ | is there a way i can keep MTA startup from taking so long when the gateway is down? |
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| 22:20.24 | Guerin | helo_: do you need a full-scale MTA? |
| 22:20.36 | j4cbo | anyone know how to make apt-get install _not_ automatically get all 'recommended' packages? |
| 22:21.04 | Guerin | j4cbo: 1. use aptitude 2. `man aptitude' tells you how to set this in the config file |
| 22:21.17 | helo_ | no |
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| 22:21.53 | xingu | helo: if it's sendmail, investigate: define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES', `True')dnl |
| 22:21.59 | Guerin | helo_: install nullmailer or somesuch |
| 22:22.00 | helo_ | it's exim4 |
| 22:22.09 | svenx | i've been thinking about doing something like http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/05/28/tools-for-dream-typing/ , but i'll use my main workstation for it. so i'm thinking if there's some way to have multiple terminals on one computer and redirect a second keyboard to another terminal where a vim is running.. but it seems difficult. |
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| 22:22.28 | j4cbo | Guerin: uh, isn't aptitude just a shiny ncurses wrapper? |
| 22:22.33 | Guerin | j4cbo: no. |
| 22:24.12 | j4cbo | interesting. |
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| 22:26.18 | greeg | hi |
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| 22:26.48 | greeg | im thinking about getting my CPU watter cooled. with the tubes adn pumps. is it safe to use Anti Freeze? |
| 22:26.53 | greeg | energy drink?/ |
| 22:28.12 | l403 | use mineral oil |
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| 22:28.52 | l403 | is there a way to delete larger chunks in nano then leaving a mug on the [delete]? |
| 22:29.12 | kunwon1 | l403, ctrl+k deletes current line |
| 22:29.29 | l403 | great, thnx |
| 22:29.33 | kunwon1 | np |
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| 22:33.45 | sauvin | reads the nano help screens... it has multiple file buffers!? |
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| 22:36.34 | sauvin | Wow... it DOES! in a directory full of .c files, do a nano *.c. It'll load them ALL! |
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| 22:38.03 | kunwon1 | Yeah, who'd have imagined that you could learn new and useful things by reading docs |
| 22:38.11 | kunwon1 | :) |
| 22:38.50 | sauvin | I thought of nano as being half a stop above DOS EDIT. I am apparently in serious error. |
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| 22:41.39 | JDLSpeedy | is packages.debian.org offline? |
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| 22:46.59 | seeds | hello my modified realtek 8187b card hangs up the pc whenever i try to use wep |
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| 22:47.10 | seeds | it works fine with open networks though |
| 22:48.12 | dutchfish | cb3rob2, remember my lvc trouble i asked earlier? look at this: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/char/drm/r300_reg.h;h=a6802f26afc4a7f482cbaf661ebc1d238ff3243d;hp=a883d10c40b1e2cc5e4190931ae4df3d52437571;hb=21efa2bac91b8d12064617c5a35492ec982544eb;hpb=5e35eff13f7dd0f5c1d82b3b4708b2f7a5f44113 |
| 22:48.26 | dutchfish | s/lvc/vlc |
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| 22:49.15 | dragon | hey |
| 22:49.20 | dragon | can someone help me to installed |
| 22:49.21 | dragon | nvidia? |
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| 22:49.27 | paakku | JDLSpeedy: packages.debian.org seemed rather slow a while ago, but eventually responded |
| 22:49.51 | JDLSpeedy | paakku: o ok, thanks |
| 22:50.58 | themill | dpkg: tell dragon about nvidia |
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| 23:06.45 | feld | packages.debian.org down? |
| 23:07.26 | paakku | feld: no, just slow |
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| 23:18.05 | dfranke | Can non-subscribers post to debian-security? |
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| 23:20.05 | dfranke | Since the security team hasn't released a fix for yesterday's ruby vulnerabilities yet, I've rolled my own. |
| 23:20.11 | dfranke | http://dfranke.us/rubyfix.txt |
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| 23:23.54 | owen1 | when i type iceweasle i get: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:24.04 | owen1 | (firefox-bin:3497): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:24.11 | dfranke | echo $DISPLAY |
| 23:24.13 | dfranke | what does it show? |
| 23:24.30 | owen1 | dfranke: nothing. |
| 23:24.42 | dfranke | export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 23:24.52 | dfranke | that should fix it for your current session. |
| 23:24.58 | dfranke | then you'll have to figure out why it's not getting set. |
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| 23:25.25 | owen1 | dfranke: it works. i just installed xorg. what is my issue? |
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| 23:25.46 | G-- | hi. |
| 23:26.00 | G-- | I have a questing regarding the internet setup |
| 23:26.02 | DeltaS4 | anyone know how to improve the performance of a disk? |
| 23:26.12 | G-- | reburn it |
| 23:26.27 | DeltaS4 | a hard disk |
| 23:26.31 | G-- | oh |
| 23:26.34 | G-- | defrag |
| 23:26.34 | dfranke | owen1: couldn't tell you without poking at it. Somewhere between launching your xterm and running iceweasel, DISLPAY is getting cleared. You'll need to figure out where/why. |
| 23:26.41 | daftd | defrag???? |
| 23:26.44 | DeltaS4 | ? |
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| 23:26.45 | G-- | yes |
| 23:26.55 | G-- | defragment your HDD |
| 23:27.00 | G-- | if you're not on ext |
| 23:27.01 | foutrelis | daftd, this is not windows dude .-. |
| 23:27.07 | daftd | thats quite useless since the journal and stuff |
| 23:27.18 | DeltaS4 | aye |
| 23:27.19 | DeltaS4 | lol |
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| 23:27.32 | foutrelis | daftd, now I see you were replying to G--, sorry :3 |
| 23:27.32 | G-- | anyway, what does the fileserver component install on the internet setup? |
| 23:27.40 | crweb | ext4 will have a defragmenter i hear |
| 23:27.50 | crweb | its false to think the filesystem won't become fragmented |
| 23:28.03 | crweb | thats why newsgroup servers etc can't use ext |
| 23:28.18 | G-- | what do they ue then? |
| 23:28.20 | G-- | use* |
| 23:28.25 | daftd | prolly should be. But if defragmentation realy improves the Hdd peformence something is wrong with the file system |
| 23:28.34 | G-- | you dont have to defrag your hdd if you use ext3 |
| 23:28.57 | DeltaS4 | my computer loses performance while creating a virtualbox disk |
| 23:29.06 | G-- | does anyone know what the filserver option installs, on the internet setup of Debian? |
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| 23:29.27 | foutrelis | G--, I'd guess samba .-. |
| 23:29.28 | DeltaS4 | it means that something is wrong with the disk right? |
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| 23:29.32 | G-- | ah, ok |
| 23:29.33 | crweb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation |
| 23:29.46 | G-- | then you confirm my doubt |
| 23:30.00 | crweb | Last paragraph |
| 23:30.08 | l403 | does this autostart in... /etc/rc2.d/S20whatever ...look OK? |
| 23:30.08 | l403 | #! /bin/sh |
| 23:30.08 | l403 | sudo -u whoever app --whateverswitch |
| 23:30.12 | daftd | G--, samba or nfs |
| 23:30.16 | crweb | software that requires rapid file creation, deletion, and updating |
| 23:30.17 | daftd | dont pik it |
| 23:30.22 | G-- | is samba highly recommended? |
| 23:30.53 | crweb | this is why ext4 will have a file defragmenter |
| 23:30.57 | G-- | I've been reading about Samba, but I still dont really know why I should use it or not |
| 23:31.04 | crweb | it was very short sighted of ext3 to not have defragmentation |
| 23:31.34 | daftd | G-- debian apt-get is so easy you can install something if you need it |
| 23:31.47 | daftd | so dont select stuff you dont know you're going to need |
| 23:31.50 | crweb | G--: to answer your question, xfs is probably a better idea for those types of services |
| 23:31.53 | owen1 | dfranke: ok, i'll try google. |
| 23:31.56 | Wyzard | crweb: There's a defragmenter for ext2, though it doesn't work for ext3 |
| 23:32.04 | crweb | Wyzard: yep |
| 23:32.12 | G-- | ah |
| 23:32.28 | Wyzard | crweb: It's not that ext3 doesn't "support" defragmentation; it's just that nobody's apparently updated the defragmenter to work with it |
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| 23:32.32 | owen1 | when i type sudo <command> nothing works. any idea? |
| 23:32.34 | G-- | daftd, so what does Samba do? |
| 23:32.39 | G-- | yeah |
| 23:32.43 | G-- | login as root |
| 23:32.48 | G-- | sudo doesnt work |
| 23:32.53 | crweb | Wyzard: well yes. thats why ext4 is adding defragmenter to the ext4 software suite |
| 23:33.05 | daftd | samba is a smb server (windows net share (ugly)) |
| 23:33.08 | Wyzard | crweb: ext3 doesn't fragment a lot so there's limited demand for a defragmenter |
| 23:33.18 | l403 | anyone? |
| 23:33.18 | Wyzard | crweb: but I agree that online defragmentation capability will be nice |
| 23:33.27 | crweb | even offline would be nice |
| 23:34.11 | crweb | we've had to move to xfs for our large corporation voicemail stuff |
| 23:34.37 | crweb | ext3 gets really bad :( |
| 23:34.44 | G-- | daftd, samba is not required for normal use, I read something about DHCP, do you need to have it to get an IP via a DHCP server? |
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| 23:35.33 | greeg | im thinking about getting my CPU watter cooled. with the tubes adn pumps. is it safe to use Anti Freeze? |
| 23:35.35 | greeg | energy drink? |
| 23:35.47 | daftd | G-- I dont know what you're point is. you're asking about samba i amser then Hopping to dhcp what is COMPLEATLY some thing else. |
| 23:36.05 | G-- | ok, thanks |
| 23:36.05 | Wyzard | crweb: A few days ago I fsck'ed a 1TB filesystem that was over 90% full, largely with files around 100MB in size, and the fragmentation level reported by fsck was around 5% |
| 23:36.11 | G-- | I dont think that I need Samba then |
| 23:36.19 | wald0 | what is "dbus-pm", ill see this suspend/hibernate method on the acpi-support package configuration files, but i don't found this command/package at all |
| 23:36.28 | crweb | Wyzard: right, but how often do you create concurrent files? |
| 23:36.29 | wald0 | ? |
| 23:36.54 | Wyzard | crweb: Not too often for large files -- I understand the problem that creates, so I avoid doing so |
| 23:37.19 | crweb | i don't really have issues on my personal machines either |
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| 23:37.27 | crweb | just some special cases on company servers |
| 23:37.35 | Wyzard | crweb: fallocate() would help if only programs would use it |
| 23:37.56 | Wyzard | crweb: but it wasn't implemented efficiently until just a few kernel revisions ago, so they generally don't |
| 23:38.01 | crweb | but to say that "it can't happen" is completely false |
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| 23:38.13 | Wyzard | crweb: I never said it can't happen |
| 23:38.38 | crweb | Wyzard: wasn't talking about you. just mean thats peoples gerneral attitude |
| 23:39.11 | Wyzard | crweb: Actually, I periodically "defragment" by creating a new LV with a fresh filesystem, moving all the files over to it, and deleting the old one |
| 23:39.21 | crweb | Wyzard: yeah thats what i do |
| 23:39.32 | crweb | but, still |
| 23:39.55 | crweb | sure would have been nice to not have to do any of that |
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| 23:40.42 | Wyzard | agreed |
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| 23:42.05 | Wyzard | though the disk-related problem that concerns me more is my system's rather poor performance when doing heavy disk I/O |
| 23:42.54 | Wyzard | Not that the transfer rate is slow, but if I have a process writing a few gigabytes to disk, everything else gets starved out until it finishes |
| 23:43.37 | owen1 | nothing happened after i type sudo <command> any clue? |
| 23:44.08 | Mundus | You actually typed in <command> ? |
| 23:44.26 | crweb | Wyzard: you too? |
| 23:44.35 | crweb | Wyzard: thats great news, people tell me its my imagination |
| 23:44.40 | owen1 | Mundus: no. i type sudo aptitide install <somthing> or amy thing else with sudo. |
| 23:44.52 | crweb | Wyzard: i switched away from kubuntu because of it, only to find it in Redhat and Debian |
| 23:45.17 | crweb | Wyzard: have you had any success in tracking down the problem? |
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| 23:45.26 | Wyzard | crweb: hmm... I'd been thinking it might be related to the fact that I'm using LVM on dm-crypt on raid5, but if it happens to you too then maybe not |
| 23:45.36 | owen1 | Mundus: i don't want to use su for everything. |
| 23:45.53 | crweb | Wyzard: I thought that also, so i switched to just plain filesystem on disc, non-crypt |
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| 23:46.01 | crweb | Wyzard: it didn't make a bit of difference |
| 23:46.29 | crweb | Wyzard: i've had people tell me its everything from the new kernel scheduler to Nvidia video driver causing it |
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| 23:46.51 | crweb | Wyzard: thought, it happens if i don't even install the nvidia closed driver.. so.. |
| 23:46.59 | Wyzard | crweb: I was actually hoping that new I/O scheduler would help, but it didn't... the problem predates it, so it can't be that |
| 23:47.03 | Wyzard | crweb: I do use nVidia though |
| 23:47.15 | crweb | Wyzard: asus p5k motherboard? |
| 23:47.42 | Wyzard | crweb: no, Abit AB9 Pro |
| 23:47.48 | crweb | whew |
| 23:48.43 | crweb | you have P965 chipset and i have P35 |
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| 23:48.51 | bahadunn | abrotman: ping |
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| 23:49.58 | clemente | Mmm... my "s3" video card (S3 Trio64) on second monitor shows a strange behaviour: if I point with the mouse to a Iceaweasel window, all colors change: white turns green, etc. If the mouse goes aways, normal colors return |
| 23:50.00 | Wyzard | crweb: I have a spare 250GB disk without any data on it right now, so I'm planning on doing some experiments there to see if I can reproduce the problem |
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| 23:50.17 | Wyzard | crweb: with/without LVM, with/without encryption, different filesystems, etc. |
| 23:50.27 | clemente | Only happens with Iceweasel and derivates (ex: Conkeror); not with gthumb, evince, xchat, ... |
| 23:50.30 | crweb | Wyzard: i'm always here, I'm going to do more exp with/without nvidia driver since ubuntu seems convinced thats the issue |
| 23:50.42 | crweb | Wyzard: let me know your results for sure. We've got to get this fixed |
| 23:50.49 | Wyzard | will do :-) |
| 23:51.02 | Nyle | you have p965 too |
| 23:51.09 | Nyle | as do I |
| 23:51.21 | vvd | sorry for being off topic, but if i get a mac with leopard now and apple releases snow leopard, will i have to buy to buy it, and if so, will i have to pay the full price?? |
| 23:51.23 | crweb | asus p5k is P965? is |
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| 23:52.31 | vvd | oh theres an apple chan.. |
| 23:52.34 | Wyzard | crweb: FWIW, I'm using the SATA controller in AHCI mode (since AHCI is the best-supported SATA controller afaik) |
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| 23:53.19 | crweb | Wyzard: hmm.. i'm not sure about mine. How do you set that? |
| 23:53.28 | Wyzard | crweb: It's a setting in the BIOS |
| 23:53.44 | Wyzard | crweb: "IDE" mode is the legacy ICH5-compatible mode; AHCI is the controller's native mode |
| 23:53.46 | crweb | i think "ide" is my only option |
| 23:54.10 | Wyzard | crweb: The boards ship in "IDE" mode by default, probably (I'm guessing) because that's the only mode Windows XP Setup supports |
| 23:54.36 | owen1 | i type sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then my password and..nothing happend! what's going on? |
| 23:54.51 | wald0 | anybody in SID can tell me if there's the command "dbus-pm" ? (apt-file search dbus-pm) |
| 23:55.02 | owen1 | i type sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nothing happend.. |
| 23:55.05 | Wyzard | crweb: if IDE is your only option, check whether there's a BIOS upgrade available |
| 23:55.26 | Wyzard | crweb: My understanding is that the ICH6 and later all support AHCI |
| 23:55.31 | Guerin | wald0: ask packages.debian.org |
| 23:55.47 | crweb | I have sata dvd-ram, do you think that causes "ide" mode only available? |
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| 23:55.53 | Wyzard | crweb: though my laptop (Thinkpad Z60m) has an ICH6 and there's no BIOS option for AHCI there... I think some motherboard makers just don't provide access to it |
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| 23:56.44 | Wyzard | crweb: no, optical drives work fine on AHCI |
| 23:56.56 | crweb | I'll definitely hunt this down then |
| 23:56.56 | Wyzard | crweb: including SATA hotplug -- just yesterday I removed a broken DVD drive from my system and installed two new ones, without shutting down |
| 23:58.22 | crweb | oh i bet i know where its at. I'll brb |
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