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| 00:08.31 | visof | hello |
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| 00:15.23 | crweb | Wyzard: the only option i had was for my onboard raid controller, not the onboard sata |
| 00:15.31 | dryrot | how much space does debian-mirror take up? |
| 00:16.29 | crweb | Wyzard: how can i check the modes? |
| 00:16.44 | Wyzard | crweb: What does lspci say your SATA controller is? |
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| 00:17.45 | visof | the old repositoris are used by default ,what are the repositories should i add to can use new applications? |
| 00:17.58 | crweb | SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller |
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| 00:18.07 | crweb | IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller |
| 00:18.17 | Wyzard | crweb: That's AHCI already |
| 00:18.25 | crweb | not what the bios says |
| 00:18.32 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 00:18.34 | crweb | and on bootup is says 3x discs found, "ide" |
| 00:18.43 | crweb | SATA disc found "ide" |
| 00:19.01 | crweb | IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:19.10 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 00:19.23 | Wyzard | The Intel one is not in its AHCI mode |
| 00:19.33 | Wyzard | but you also have the JMicron controller and that one's set to AHCI |
| 00:19.43 | crweb | nothings plugged into it i guess |
| 00:19.52 | crweb | guess i should rework some cables |
| 00:20.18 | Wyzard | I'd check for a BIOS update to get an AHCI option for that ICH9 |
| 00:20.29 | Wyzard | but if you can't, connect the disks to the JMicron instead |
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| 00:24.05 | vadmeste | Question : |
| 00:24.31 | vadmeste | A program that use a proxy is not obliged to use DNS to resolve domain names, right ? |
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| 00:25.07 | Wyzard | vadmeste: depends on the type of proxy |
| 00:25.23 | beardy | Anything that resolves domain names uses DNS. Depends on what you mean. |
| 00:25.56 | Wyzard | vadmeste: I vaguely remember, from reading the Tor documentation, that the difference between socks4 and socks4a is that the former requires the client to do the DNS lookup and then ask the proxy for the IP, and the latter lets the client ask the proxy for the domain name and the proxy does the DNS lookup |
| 00:25.57 | beardy | The proxy would do the resolving if you ask it to do something, sicne it's done there. |
| 00:25.58 | vadmeste | Wyzard, what about HTTP Proxy ? |
| 00:26.28 | Wyzard | vadmeste: "HTTP Proxy" doesn't mean anything specific... you need to talk about actual protocols like SOCKS |
| 00:26.48 | vadmeste | Wyzard, this is my problem... |
| 00:27.09 | vadmeste | I am trying to use Evolution behind a http proxy |
| 00:27.27 | vadmeste | but Evolution try always to resolve DNS |
| 00:27.35 | vadmeste | before connecting to the proxy |
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| 00:27.47 | vadmeste | and many other programs also |
| 00:27.52 | vadmeste | do the same |
| 00:27.57 | Wyzard | Again, it depends on what type of proxy -- e.g. the protocol it's using |
| 00:28.03 | Wyzard | See what I said about SOCKS4 vs. SOCKS4a |
| 00:28.08 | dryrot | is FAI only way to set up pxe and debian ? |
| 00:28.16 | Wyzard | and I might be mis-remembering; it might be SOCKS5 and SOCKS5a |
| 00:28.55 | vadmeste | dryrot : sorry, FAI ? |
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| 00:29.43 | dryrot | vadmeste: FAI ! |
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| 00:30.50 | vadmeste | dryrot, sorry again, what does "FAI" mean ? |
| 00:31.01 | Guerin | it means `google FAI to find out what FAI means' |
| 00:31.53 | dryrot | vadmeste: FAI is designed to automate the installation of a Debian system so that a system administrator can perform unattended installations. |
| 00:32.32 | vadmeste | Ok, it's another story about googling |
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| 00:36.50 | christoz | hello ...is this room for basic-praktical questions ? |
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| 00:37.57 | Sling | christoz : as long as they are debian-related, yes |
| 00:38.08 | Sling | debian-specific even |
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| 00:38.14 | visof | my /etc/apt/sources.list have : |
| 00:38.16 | visof | deb http://giano.com.dist.unige.it/debian/ sarge main |
| 00:38.35 | visof | and i don't know why the old packages are installed |
| 00:38.59 | Sling | because sarge is old stable |
| 00:39.05 | Sling | etch is current stable |
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| 00:39.23 | visof | also i have deb http://ftp.bononia.it/debian/ etch main |
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| 00:39.34 | Nyle | Good saturday evening |
| 00:39.37 | Nyle | whats up |
| 00:39.38 | visof | also i have old packages |
| 00:40.04 | Sling | visof : why do you have a sarge repository listed there |
| 00:40.11 | Nyle | is on xp right now :( |
| 00:40.19 | Sling | you can expect to get old packages if you have old stable repository in use.. |
| 00:40.23 | waspius | hi..i want to kill a process after some time...but this command is not working any help? at 30m kill 1423 or sleep 30m kill 1423 |
| 00:40.25 | christoz | ok Sling ...i want to install a nonopen application ...but the dpkg is not satisfied by the application's dependecies ... my question is ...is there any automatic procedure to find these dependecies and to install too? |
| 00:40.37 | visof | Sling do you mean , i should remove it "Sarge" ? |
| 00:40.39 | christoz | or i ha ve to searrch and install them manually |
| 00:40.52 | Sling | visof : i dont know the repository itself, but it probably also has etch |
| 00:40.56 | Nyle | I did not know you could specify sleep time in minutes... |
| 00:41.01 | Sling | replace sarge with etch |
| 00:41.06 | Sling | and do a update/upgrade |
| 00:41.17 | Sling | dist-upgrade even if you want to boldly upgrade everything |
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| 00:41.40 | waspius | Nyle: well any idea how i can do it? |
| 00:41.43 | Sling | christoz : try aptitude |
| 00:41.48 | Wyzard | christoz: If you've installed the .deb with dpkg and it complained about not being able to configure the package due to unsatisfied dependencies, "apt-get install -f" should install the dependencies |
| 00:41.50 | Sling | it can check for dependencies, read the manual |
| 00:41.58 | Sling | or that |
| 00:42.00 | visof | Sling http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full#IL |
| 00:42.18 | visof | Italy is closing to me , what should i add ? |
| 00:42.31 | visof | there are a lot of links |
| 00:42.37 | Sling | ftp.it.debian.org would by my guess |
| 00:43.09 | Nyle | notta clue |
| 00:43.26 | christoz | Sling, thanks |
| 00:43.26 | visof | Sling as repository? |
| 00:44.00 | Nyle | waspius, why are you trying to do what you are trying to do? |
| 00:44.26 | waspius | Nyle: have music stop playing after some time |
| 00:44.39 | Nyle | waspius, so why are you trying to kill a process? |
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| 00:44.46 | greeg | hi |
| 00:44.48 | Nyle | waspius, lets try to find out why your music stops playing |
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| 00:44.54 | Nyle | waspius, and try to fix that instead |
| 00:44.56 | derjens__ | somebody familiar with /etc/soduers syntax? |
| 00:45.03 | Nyle | waspius, which music application do you use? |
| 00:45.06 | slxix | derjens__: visudo is :) |
| 00:45.10 | derjens__ | i want to enable myself using "sudo su" to get root without password |
| 00:45.16 | greeg | Im running Etch with Kde. i just added an applet on the K Bar next to the pager. how can i make sure it's there aftre i reboot ? |
| 00:45.20 | waspius | Nyle: no.you did not understand..i want it to stop playing after some time..it works fine |
| 00:45.28 | Nyle | waspius, I see |
| 00:45.32 | Sling | gee its so quiet all day here and now everybody rushes in |
| 00:45.45 | Nyle | waspius, have you considered cron? |
| 00:45.45 | slxix | derjens__: have you tried sudo -s ? |
| 00:45.52 | visof | Sling : deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main ?? |
| 00:45.58 | Nyle | waspius, perhaps you can specify sleep timer in seconds |
| 00:45.59 | visof | is this right? |
| 00:46.00 | derjens__ | slxix, what is sudo -s? |
| 00:46.13 | slxix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.18 | waspius | Nyle:no i have not used it |
| 00:46.29 | Nyle | waspius, instead of 30m try whatever 30 min is in seconds |
| 00:46.48 | Sling | visof : for example |
| 00:46.50 | Nyle | for example 30*60 = XXX, you would do sleep XXX; |
| 00:46.58 | Nyle | !calc 30*60 |
| 00:47.04 | visof | Sling what do you mean? |
| 00:47.05 | Nyle | no? |
| 00:47.10 | adama | 1800 |
| 00:47.19 | waspius | no |
| 00:47.20 | waspius | does not work |
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| 00:47.49 | Sling | visof : you can use netselect to select the closest mirror |
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| 00:47.52 | Sling | debhelper, netselect |
| 00:48.01 | Sling | hm stupid bot |
| 00:48.23 | greeg | calc 5+5 |
| 00:48.26 | greeg | !calc 5+5 |
| 00:48.30 | Sling | do you have a working aptitude now? then just do apt-get install netselect |
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| 00:49.20 | adama | derjens__: what I have done, is: alias su='ssh root@localhost' and set up ssh keys :) |
| 00:49.25 | visof | Sling i installed it |
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| 00:49.34 | visof | what then ? |
| 00:49.41 | dryrot | why would a machine have a netmask of 255.0.0.0 ? |
| 00:49.58 | slxix | it's on a big network? |
| 00:49.58 | Sling | visof : 'man netselect' |
| 00:50.01 | derjens__ | adama, interesting workaround but actually connected with much ssh overhead |
| 00:50.37 | waspius | Nyle: ok i found the command |
| 00:50.38 | Sling | visof : wait, netselect-apt would be better |
| 00:50.41 | slxix | derjens__: was sudo -s not what you wanted? |
| 00:50.43 | Wyzard | adama: That requires you to have SSH root logins enabled, which they are by default, but it's a good idea to disable them for security |
| 00:50.59 | Sling | been a while since i used that though, but it should work |
| 00:51.09 | Sling | it fetches a mirror list and automatically selects the best one |
| 00:51.12 | derjens__ | slxix, sudo su is equivalent to sudo -s, yes, but this does not provide access without password |
| 00:51.14 | adama | derjens__: It's pretty instant, certainly faster than typing a password |
| 00:51.44 | visof | Sling type netselect-apt as command ? |
| 00:51.52 | Sling | visof : first install it, with apt-get |
| 00:51.54 | Sling | then run it |
| 00:51.58 | visof | okay |
| 00:52.03 | derjens__ | my point is: i login in via ssh only for administrative issues... i see no security risk in giving root access to my user account. but root is disabled for ssh login |
| 00:52.05 | adama | Wyzard:true |
| 00:52.30 | Sling | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netselect-apt |
| 00:53.34 | visof | Sling netselect was unable to find a mirror, ? |
| 00:53.42 | visof | i have this |
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| 00:54.33 | slxix | derjens__: check out http://is.depaul.edu/_downloads/SampleSudoersfileforSudo.txt and the line "Root can do anything w/o a password" |
| 00:57.28 | Sling | visof : you can manually get it with 'wget http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full -O mirrors_full' |
| 00:57.32 | Sling | then run the netselect-apt again |
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| 00:59.53 | visof | Sling i did , and i got : |
| 00:59.55 | visof | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 00:59.55 | visof | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 00:59.56 | Sling | and you might want to do 'netselect-apt etch' to make sure you get the right one |
| 01:00.00 | Sling | hmm |
| 01:00.10 | Sling | this is taking too much time for this little problem :) |
| 01:00.29 | Sling | just look at the sources.list, and put an address in there with etch instead of stable |
| 01:00.44 | Sling | or just install debian etch |
| 01:01.07 | visof | Sling where do you live? |
| 01:01.18 | Sling | netherlands |
| 01:01.24 | greeg | Whats taking so long for lenny to become stable ? |
| 01:01.27 | Sling | the country that just got kicked out of the european league |
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| 01:02.13 | visof | can you paste your sources.list file here? |
| 01:02.23 | visof | private it to me |
| 01:02.28 | Sling | visof : change all the 'sarge' entries in sources.list to 'etch', run 'apt-get update', 'apt-get install aptitude' and 'aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade' |
| 01:02.33 | Sling | that will upgrade sarge to etch |
| 01:02.52 | Sling | deb http://ftp.surfnet.nl/os/Linux/distr/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.52 | Sling | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.55 | Sling | that is my sources.list |
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| 01:03.26 | visof | only? |
| 01:03.28 | Sling | yup |
| 01:03.37 | visof | can i use it? |
| 01:03.38 | Sling | its a hardened server, no fancy stuff |
| 01:03.50 | Sling | well you could, but the .nl server wont be optimal for you |
| 01:03.52 | dryrot | how did you make it hard |
| 01:04.09 | Sling | dryrot : you cant get it hard? |
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| 01:04.35 | visof | An error occured |
| 01:04.39 | visof | i have an error |
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| 01:04.58 | Sling | wel wowoweewa |
| 01:05.06 | Sling | what am i supposed to do with that :P |
| 01:05.53 | visof | deb http://ftp.bononia.it/debian/ etch main |
| 01:05.56 | visof | is this right? |
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| 01:06.40 | Sling | looks right |
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| 01:07.21 | visof | okay |
| 01:07.29 | visof | can i add additional packages? |
| 01:07.41 | Sling | why dont you first try this, update to etch |
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| 01:07.46 | Sling | and then see what else you can add |
| 01:08.06 | visof | okay |
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| 01:08.32 | derjens__ | hey, how to delete any mysql data? |
| 01:09.11 | derjens__ | i think i have setup any mysql password but now i cannot connect |
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| 01:09.16 | derjens__ | as there is nothing in the DB right now there is no problem removing all mysql stuff now |
| 01:09.22 | dryrot | what is running debian-volatile for ? |
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| 01:09.38 | Sling | derjens__ : you want to delete the data or mysqld? |
| 01:09.44 | derjens__ | the data |
| 01:09.49 | visof | Sling i did , and i have the old versions of packages too |
| 01:09.50 | Sling | the database(s) ? |
| 01:09.53 | derjens__ | how to stop mysqld is no prob |
| 01:09.57 | visof | and i don't have xmonad |
| 01:10.24 | brick | /etc/init.d/tomcat5 start dies with $?=1.. but with sh -x it only runs start-stop-daemon with --test and ends with value 0. wtf could be going on? |
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| 01:10.42 | brick | in neither case do i see a new process called java or tomcat, etc. |
| 01:10.47 | Sling | derjens__ : check the datadir directive in the mysql config file |
| 01:10.54 | Sling | thats where your data is stored |
| 01:10.55 | brick | (first time i try to get tomcat running here :/ ) |
| 01:11.41 | Sling | (probably /var/lib/mysql) |
| 01:12.11 | derjens__ | Sling, i find that dir. is it safe to delete all files in there? |
| 01:12.20 | brick | ahh, there is an error in the log, my $JAVA_HOME "should point to a JDK not a JRE" |
| 01:12.37 | brick | that's a directory containign what? |
| 01:12.41 | Sling | derjens__ : not sure, try ##mysql |
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| 01:12.58 | Sling | #mysql |
| 01:13.22 | Sling | brick : what does that have to do with debian |
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| 01:13.40 | nekostar | hey ive got debian etch on an amd 1.66ghz with 1.5GB ram, and even with just minimal processes, the ram usage just climbs and climbs |
| 01:13.51 | nekostar | though it doesnt really use the swap.. |
| 01:13.57 | atp | does anyone know how to make the history that appears as you type in a URL in firefox 3 look like it used to, ie, without icons and other such things? |
| 01:13.58 | nekostar | is this a bug or a feature? |
| 01:13.59 | Sling | nekostar : what process is using the memory? (see top or htop) |
| 01:14.03 | brick | Sling, i thought my problem was in the /etc/init.d script, now i see it's not... |
| 01:14.04 | atp | i seem to remember reading there was an about:config |
| 01:14.16 | nekostar | Sling thats just it nothing is using that much memory |
| 01:14.17 | atp | parameter that made it like the old behaviour |
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| 01:15.07 | greeg | Whats taking so long for lenny to become stable ? |
| 01:15.14 | greeg | Etch stuff keeps crashing. |
| 01:15.20 | nekostar | greeg it is what it is... |
| 01:15.22 | dfranke | long? It's only been 16 months. |
| 01:15.34 | dfranke | stable releases are usually about 2-3 years apart. |
| 01:15.47 | Sling | nekostar : are you running top as root? |
| 01:15.54 | Sling | and not filtering anything? |
| 01:16.10 | Sling | top should show the same memory usage as free |
| 01:17.21 | Sling | atp: try changing browser.urlbar.matchBehaviour |
| 01:17.47 | atp | Sling: hm, ok, i'll take a look at that. thanks a lot! |
| 01:17.51 | Sling | np |
| 01:18.46 | nekostar | Sling using htop and turned it all on and yes i was |
| 01:18.52 | nekostar | it says 24/1488MB |
| 01:18.55 | nekostar | what does that mean? |
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| 01:19.20 | Sling | on the Mem bar? |
| 01:19.36 | Sling | are you sure its 24 and not some number in front of that in another color? |
| 01:19.44 | Sling | because 24 is a bit on the low side |
| 01:20.07 | Sling | it shows memory in use, cached, and free in different colors |
| 01:20.30 | tacone | hello. is the #depends: modulename inside apache modules parsed from some part of the system (apache, debian utilities, etc) ? |
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| 01:22.00 | crweb | Wyzard: The manual etc says you can change it to AHCI, but my bios produces no option. |
| 01:22.04 | nekostar | 25/12/581 |
| 01:22.15 | nekostar | used/buffers/cache |
| 01:22.19 | crweb | I changed it to my raid controller |
| 01:22.23 | crweb | going to see if that will help |
| 01:22.33 | nekostar | Mem: 1524180k total, 646184k used, 877996k free, 13136k buffers |
| 01:22.37 | nekostar | thats what regular top shows |
| 01:22.39 | Wyzard | crweb: Check for a BIOS update |
| 01:22.44 | crweb | its the most recent |
| 01:22.51 | Wyzard | crweb: hmm, oh well |
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| 01:23.13 | tacone | I mean, is that line dependable on ? I am asking because I am building a small apache utility. |
| 01:23.14 | Wyzard | crweb: (When I bought my board, there was originally no AHCI option for the JMicron controller, but a BIOS update added one) |
| 01:23.14 | Sling | nekostar : sorry, im going to bed, somebody will have to take over here :) |
| 01:23.22 | nekostar | :) |
| 01:23.24 | Sling | is sick and still up at 3:22 am |
| 01:23.25 | nekostar | it is just wierd |
| 01:23.25 | Sling | not very smart |
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| 01:23.28 | crweb | Wyzard: mines the opposite. how strange |
| 01:23.31 | Sling | bbl |
| 01:23.32 | nekostar | i dont get this at home.. |
| 01:23.34 | nekostar | stupid amd |
| 01:23.46 | nekostar | o wait yeah i do |
| 01:24.06 | Wyzard | crweb: btw, I did some simple I/O tests with hdparm and found that the dm-crypt layer seems to impose a penalty of 40%-60% in bulk throughput (with no other significant disk I/O going on) |
| 01:24.18 | Orion_X11 | How can I locate gnome mines game code? I friend of mine needs that code to study that |
| 01:24.31 | nekostar | sounds reasonable Wyzard |
| 01:24.39 | crweb | Wyzard: well, thats to be assumed. You'll find that if you disabled the crypt x11 will still constantly hang on simple I/O |
| 01:25.39 | Wyzard | crweb: Running "hdparm -tT" on /dev/sda I get about 75MB/sec; on /dev/md0 (a software raid5 of three disks) I get about 150MB/sec, which is to be expected; on /dev/mapper/crypt0 (plaintext of /dev/md0) I get about 95 MB/sec |
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| 01:26.12 | crweb | Wyzard: the ICH9 doesn't support ahci unless you use the ICH9-raid chipset, which my board does not |
| 01:26.20 | Wyzard | oh, that sucks |
| 01:26.22 | crweb | Wyzard: so asus removed the ahci option from the bios |
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| 01:26.30 | crweb | even if enabled, it didn't work |
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| 01:26.40 | Wyzard | That seems silly though |
| 01:26.42 | crweb | so, i'm left with the other controller |
| 01:27.08 | Wyzard | I know that for Windows the Intel "Matrix RAID" driver is what provides AHCI support |
| 01:27.10 | crweb | yeah, intel released that info a while back |
| 01:27.25 | crweb | its not driver issue, its that asus left off the raid portion of the chipset |
| 01:27.33 | Wyzard | but AHCI itself has nothing to do with RAID, and "AHCI" and "RAID" are separate settings for the controller in my BIOS (alongside the "IDE" setting) |
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| 01:28.06 | crweb | Wyzard: its cause of the hotplug support and stuff thats built into the raid portion |
| 01:28.11 | crweb | of the chip |
| 01:28.17 | Wyzard | and my understanding was that AHCI is the controller's native mode |
| 01:28.51 | Wyzard | hmm, so Intel's fakeraid hardware actually contains essential parts of the AHCI controller so you can't even use non-RAID AHCI without it? |
| 01:28.52 | crweb | http://www.msfn.org/board/Asus-P5K-Series-Motherboards-Update-t104883.html |
| 01:29.04 | Wyzard | That's pretty stupid, but good to know, I guess |
| 01:29.17 | crweb | http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imst/sb/CS-012304.htm |
| 01:30.09 | crweb | Mine is not listed |
| 01:30.27 | crweb | i have ICH9, listed is only ICH9R or ICH9DO |
| 01:30.52 | Wyzard | hmm... for the ICH7 and ICH8 there's the 'R' variant that does RAID, and the 'M' variant that does AHCI but not RAID |
| 01:30.57 | Wyzard | but there's no ICH9M |
| 01:31.37 | DeltaS4 | do you know how to change a partition map to mac? |
| 01:31.48 | Wyzard | I built a new computer recently and I'm glad I didn't get the P5K, I guess |
| 01:31.52 | Guerin | DeltaS4: question makes no sense |
| 01:31.59 | crweb | Wyzard: lucky you |
| 01:32.12 | Wyzard | Well, at least you have that JMicron |
| 01:32.14 | crweb | Wyzard: it looks like all the OTHER boards (except plain p5k) have right chipset |
| 01:32.27 | crweb | p5k-e, p5k-deluxe, p5ks etc |
| 01:32.36 | crweb | I have 4 p5k's :( |
| 01:32.46 | DeltaS4 | change the partition map of a disk to mac, so it appears like this: sdb: [mac] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 |
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| 01:33.35 | nekostar | aahh |
| 01:33.37 | crweb | Wyzard: i think i'll just get another controller |
| 01:33.38 | nekostar | I GET IT |
| 01:33.44 | crweb | Wyzard: that is probably the source of my problems |
| 01:34.06 | Wyzard | crweb: Well, it's not the cause of the performance problem -- can't be, since I'm using AHCI |
| 01:34.15 | crweb | Wyzard: i mean the chipset probably is |
| 01:34.23 | Wyzard | crweb: AHCI is just a nice-to-have (hotplug is convenient, and I'm sure NCQ helps performance a bit) |
| 01:34.51 | crweb | actually heh |
| 01:35.04 | crweb | the ahci drive now is much slower than the other with -tT |
| 01:35.11 | crweb | but, they are also different drives |
| 01:35.19 | crweb | I'll have to do a test with both ide |
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| 01:36.44 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm frustrated that my laptop has no AHCI option -- I just checked and it has an ICH6M, which isn't RAID, but according to that page you mentioned, it ought to support AHCI |
| 01:36.56 | oren | how do i kill iceweasel? |
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| 01:37.06 | Guerin | oren: killall iceweasel |
| 01:37.10 | crweb | oren: killall firefox-bin |
| 01:37.22 | crweb | iceweasel is just rebranded firefox, everything else is the same |
| 01:37.23 | Guerin | hm, fail |
| 01:38.36 | oren | Guerin: crweb thanks |
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| 01:39.42 | oren | my fonts on the terminal are shaking. should i run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ? |
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| 01:40.05 | Sertse | hi, how's debian and wireless? Or, do I have to have my cable plugged in, and d/l properiorty drivers, before it'll work? |
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| 01:40.46 | Guerin | Sertse: depends whether you have a decent device or not |
| 01:40.48 | slxix | Sertse: fine and no. |
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| 01:41.28 | Sertse | ipw 3945. |
| 01:41.40 | crweb | Sertse: great card :) |
| 01:41.42 | Guerin | works ok, though you'll need a firmware I believe |
| 01:41.48 | crweb | Sertse: i had to install the firmware though |
| 01:41.52 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:41.55 | limaunion | hi, i'm on lenny and since yesterday i'm unable to play any video with vlc, any ideas ? |
| 01:42.06 | Guerin | you used to have to install a retarded proprietary daemon to make it work, but no longer |
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| 01:42.16 | Guerin | limaunion: use mplayer |
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| 01:42.18 | slxix | limaunion: go back in time to yesterday. what happened to make it stop? |
| 01:42.46 | christoz | what nvidia drivers do you suggest open source or the official ones ? |
| 01:43.14 | christoz | i need to install one of them |
| 01:43.16 | limaunion | slxix, I've updated the system, as usual with aptitude |
| 01:43.35 | slxix | did you check bug reports? |
| 01:44.02 | slxix | did any software get uninstalled? |
| 01:44.35 | limaunion | slxix, yes, i found bug report #483000 which is related but was closed... and the solution doesn't apply in my case |
| 01:45.15 | christoz | guys? |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | christoz: nv is installed by default, use it |
| 01:46.16 | nekostar | hey has anyone tried compileing that multithreaded scp ? |
| 01:46.25 | christoz | how can i confirm tha the driver exists and is working/ |
| 01:46.26 | christoz | ? |
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| 01:46.35 | christoz | Guerin? |
| 01:46.36 | nekostar | christoz lsmod |grep something |
| 01:46.37 | Guerin | christoz: can you see things on your screen? |
| 01:47.00 | nekostar | christoz you asked about opensauce vs closed? |
| 01:47.12 | nekostar | how many monitors, do you want things like compiz-fusion, etc ? |
| 01:47.20 | pickcoder | has anyone run across "station reports it needs maintenance" errors with KWeather, when "weather" reports correctly? |
| 01:47.32 | christoz | nekostar, yes i did ,,also didn;t know tha the drivers were preinstalled |
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| 01:47.47 | nekostar | lol |
| 01:48.00 | nekostar | personally i use closed sauce |
| 01:48.12 | nekostar | 169.12 |
| 01:48.14 | Guerin | that6's because you're a g4m3r d00d |
| 01:48.32 | nekostar | Guerin because i like compiz :> |
| 01:48.38 | Guerin | fail |
| 01:48.42 | nekostar | win |
| 01:48.55 | christoz | hmm...seems that there is nothring here. |
| 01:48.56 | christoz | chemical:/etc/apt# lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 01:48.56 | christoz | chemical:/etc/apt# |
| 01:49.07 | nekostar | christoz that means its not loaded. |
| 01:49.15 | Guerin | no |
| 01:49.22 | poseidon | What would be the best way to change from testing to unstable? |
| 01:49.28 | Guerin | it means `nvidia' isn't loaded, not that nv isn't |
| 01:49.36 | Guerin | poseidon: to not do it at all is best |
| 01:49.38 | christoz | oh... |
| 01:49.44 | nekostar | Guerin right.. i was assuming we were talking about 'nvidia' |
| 01:49.45 | Guerin | christoz: |
| 01:49.49 | slxix | limaunion: did you read through the bug report? they go through an excellent troubleshooting process. |
| 01:49.52 | Guerin | christoz: try xdpyinfo |
| 01:49.56 | pickcoder | poseidon: : is there a specific package you want from sid? |
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| 01:50.56 | poseidon | pickcoder, well It's mostly the development packages. (I don't want one specific one). |
| 01:51.31 | enouf | christoz: grep nv_drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:51.38 | Guerin | poseidon: you want to learn about pinning |
| 01:51.38 | poseidon | christoz, Is it that you can't seem to get a gui started because you don't have the driver? |
| 01:51.48 | limaunion | slxix, yes, I followed all the steps but it didn't work. I've also completely removed my ~/.vlc directory, |
| 01:51.48 | Guerin | poseidon: man apt_preferences |
| 01:51.52 | christoz | nothing in common with 'nv' neither 'nvidia' ...i should look into the xorg.conf |
| 01:51.59 | Guerin | !wayttd christoz |
| 01:51.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, christoz? |
| 01:52.09 | enouf | you're using vesafb then likely |
| 01:52.12 | christoz | hehe |
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| 01:52.16 | enouf | christoz: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:52.57 | christoz | enouf : chemical:/etc/apt# grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:52.57 | christoz | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so |
| 01:52.57 | christoz | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so |
| 01:52.57 | christoz | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so |
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| 01:53.05 | enouf | ... |
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| 01:53.26 | christoz | sorry guys |
| 01:54.04 | oren | my terminal text looks weird. when i try dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserwer |
| 01:54.17 | oren | i get Package `xorg-xserwer' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 01:54.30 | pickcoder | !drxx |
| 01:54.31 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 01:54.59 | pickcoder | not only is there a typo in the package, it's backwards |
| 01:55.14 | poseidon | christoz, do you have a desktop manager working ie, kde or gnome? |
| 01:55.27 | christoz | pseidon yes it's gnome |
| 01:55.42 | oren | pickcoder: thanks |
| 01:55.45 | christoz | poseidon, |
| 01:55.51 | poseidon | christoz, is it working? |
| 01:56.11 | christoz | poseidon, yes it does :D |
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| 01:56.46 | poseidon | If it's working then you have a driver installed. If you havn't installed the closed source one you nv or vesa. |
| 01:57.59 | christoz | poseidon, : can i have 3d accelaration with th nv or vesa driver? |
| 01:58.20 | enouf | no |
| 01:58.24 | poseidon | christoz, no. You need to use nvidia-glx for that. What card do you have? |
| 01:58.36 | enouf | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:58.51 | christoz | the veteran nvidia fx 5200 :p |
| 02:00.14 | DeltaS4 | how do I know what font my system is using for chinese characters? |
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| 02:01.03 | Wyzard | christoz: The vesa driver doesn't even do 2D acceleration :-) |
| 02:01.45 | Wyzard | DeltaS4: If you're running GNOME, look up the character in the GNOME Character Map and right-click it |
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| 02:02.03 | Wyzard | DeltaS4: It gives you a larger view of the character, and the name of the font providing the glyph |
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| 02:02.12 | poseidon | I use the closed driver for game development (I hate compiz) |
| 02:02.37 | DeltaS4 | yeah thank you :) |
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| 02:03.03 | DeltaS4 | now do you know how do I make this use a ttf font instead of fixed for chinese characters by default? |
| 02:03.27 | Wyzard | DeltaS4: It should do so automatically, assuming you have suitable fonts installed |
| 02:04.15 | DeltaS4 | it isn't doing for chinese and japanese fonts, for korean it is because fixed doesn't have korean glyphs |
| 02:04.55 | Wyzard | DeltaS4: Are you sure you have Chinese/Japanese fonts installed? |
| 02:05.02 | DeltaS4 | yeah |
| 02:05.03 | Wyzard | e.g. the ttf-kochi-* packages |
| 02:05.08 | DeltaS4 | ttf-wqy-zenhei |
| 02:05.12 | DeltaS4 | for chinese |
| 02:05.15 | DeltaS4 | and sazanami for japanese |
| 02:05.40 | Wyzard | I haven't used those |
| 02:06.04 | Wyzard | but I have ttf-kochi-gothic-naga10 and ttf-kochi-mincho-naga10 installed, and they're used automatically; I didn't have to do anything special |
| 02:06.33 | christoz | one more question i have ...:p ,is it safe to have more than one source address in the sources.list ? |
| 02:06.43 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like I have wqy and sazanami too, actually |
| 02:06.54 | christoz | meaning from diff server |
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| 02:07.05 | Wyzard | christoz: Yes, that's safe |
| 02:07.12 | DeltaS4 | hum let me try again |
| 02:07.24 | poseidon | christoz, make sure you look into the legacy drivers to. See which one you will need :) |
| 02:07.27 | Bushmills | christoz, safe or not is not determined by the number of sources, but by what packages they make available |
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| 02:08.06 | DeltaS4 | ah it's okay now :) |
| 02:08.25 | DeltaS4 | Idk why wasn't this working when I was using debian without gnome |
| 02:08.51 | DeltaS4 | I had to edit a fontconfig file to make it work |
| 02:08.55 | DeltaS4 | but now I just installed it |
| 02:09.32 | DeltaS4 | let me check a .tw site |
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| 02:09.43 | Wyzard | Actually, now that you mention it, I did notice sometime last year that CJK characters were being displayed with a bitmap font rather than a scalable one in some applications |
| 02:10.24 | crweb | Wyzard: i believing moving the drive to the JMicron solved my disc i/o issue |
| 02:10.27 | DeltaS4 | hum |
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| 02:10.33 | Wyzard | I didn't really look into it at the time since I don't often view CJK text anyway, and IIRC it "fixed itself" at some point due to some package update |
| 02:10.52 | Wyzard | but I can't check right now because I don't remember what application(s) were exhibiting the problem back then |
| 02:11.00 | Bogus8 | how can I get emacs version 22? |
| 02:11.26 | Bogus8 | or at least get php-mode to properly highlight syntax and such |
| 02:11.54 | erpo | Bogus8: sudo apt-get install emacs22 ? |
| 02:12.02 | Wyzard | crweb: The I/O starvation problem |
| 02:12.02 | DeltaS4 | I see it okay on gucharmap but firefox is still using fixed |
| 02:12.03 | Wyzard | ? |
| 02:12.04 | christoz | thanks for supporting me |
| 02:12.05 | christoz | :d |
| 02:12.09 | christoz | :D |
| 02:12.13 | Bushmills | Bogus8, etch? |
| 02:12.19 | crweb | Wyzard: yes |
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| 02:12.27 | Bogus8 | erpo: it's not there |
| 02:12.28 | crweb | Wyzard: i can rm -rf thousands of files, while copying a 8gb iso and x11 is completely usable. |
| 02:12.31 | Bogus8 | Bushmills: yes sir |
| 02:12.46 | Bushmills | Bogus8, you'd have to check backports. 22 is in lenny only |
| 02:12.48 | crweb | Wyzard: before i couldn't even rm a few hundred files |
| 02:13.17 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm doing a test right now of copying a 6GB directory of ~100MB files on my external drive and not seeing a problem... I copied the same files on my array and had the problem |
| 02:13.19 | Bogus8 | do we have a bot to tell me about backports... been too long and I've forgotten the commands |
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| 02:13.29 | Bushmills | !backports |
| 02:13.30 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 02:13.33 | Bogus8 | thanks |
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| 02:14.29 | crweb | Wyzard: i'm starting to think there is an issue with ICH9 |
| 02:14.44 | crweb | Wyzard: copy on the drive with the ICH9 kills the system again |
| 02:14.46 | wd | running sarge "i have to :o( " anyway want to run low resource wm do i need all x window system or can i get just xfree86 base? |
| 02:15.00 | pickcoder | crweb: what mode is it in |
| 02:15.33 | enouf | very important |
| 02:15.35 | crweb | pickcoder: theres a whole log of discussing th emode. it is in ide mode because ICH9 doesn't support ahci |
| 02:15.40 | Bushmills | wd, tiling windows? overlapping windows? key- or mouse centric? |
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| 02:15.50 | enouf | crweb: sure it does |
| 02:15.50 | Wyzard | crweb: My external drive is on a different controller, a Silicon Image 3132, but it's still AHCI |
| 02:15.58 | crweb | enouf: no it doesn't |
| 02:16.00 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm on an ICH8 |
| 02:16.06 | enouf | crweb: sure it does |
| 02:16.08 | crweb | enouf: intel itself states it doesn't |
| 02:16.12 | DeltaS4 | will I need to restart or something? |
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| 02:16.17 | crweb | enouf: only ICH9R and ICH9DO support ahci |
| 02:16.19 | DeltaS4 | it's weird :S |
| 02:16.23 | enouf | calls bull |
| 02:16.29 | crweb | call it all you want |
| 02:16.33 | crweb | fact |
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| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | crweb: I should do some tests on my Windows gaming box... that has an ICH9, and I can do a temporary Linux install there and test plain AHCI-on-ICH without the overhead of RAID and LVM and crypto that I have on this machine |
| 02:16.55 | crweb | its in the documentation of the chip |
| 02:17.07 | enouf | crweb: so, you just contrdicted yourself |
| 02:17.15 | wd | Bushmills: hey bush... well just fluxbox or icewm..something simple keyboard maybe mouse also if i can get to recognize.. toshiba lap 40m ram, 500m hd, 75-100 mhz lol |
| 02:17.17 | crweb | enouf: ? |
| 02:17.24 | enouf | you just said ich9 doesn't but some ich9s do |
| 02:17.32 | Wyzard | crweb: Not quite true -- that page listing supported chipsets did mention things like ICH8M supporting "AHCI only" (no RAID) |
| 02:17.36 | crweb | ICH9 does not, that IS a model |
| 02:17.47 | Wyzard | but in practice, motherboard manufacturers apparently disable the AHCI option on boards without the RAID feature |
| 02:17.48 | crweb | ICH9 no, ICH9R yes, ICH9DO yes |
| 02:17.59 | wd | Bushmills: so far i'm console only but crying for wm. lol |
| 02:18.08 | enouf | ICH9 is a series |
| 02:18.14 | Bushmills | wd, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager. openbox maybe. though fluxbox is not too different. |
| 02:18.15 | crweb | enouf: starting with ICH9 |
| 02:18.23 | crweb | ICH9R is next in the series |
| 02:19.04 | wd | Bushmills: ok.. openbox sounds liter huh? but do i need all of x window system i mean can i just get a x clients base with a wm? |
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| 02:19.47 | Bushmills | wd, you need x clients and wm on the machine where programs run. and x server on machine you sit behind. |
| 02:19.49 | wd | Bushmills: do i need the xfree server + common +x window...yada yada? |
| 02:20.37 | Bogus8 | Bushmills: no backports... I'll try unstable or something |
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| 02:20.38 | wd | Bushmills: i'm gonna be sitting behind laptop and using this... not as a server. |
| 02:20.40 | crweb | enouf: For the Intel® 82801IB ICH9, 82801IR ICH9R, 82801IH ICH9DH, 82801IO ICH9DO I/O Controller Hubs |
| 02:20.49 | crweb | enouf: ICH9 is a model |
| 02:20.57 | crweb | enouf: http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/316972.htm |
| 02:21.06 | Bushmills | strictly speaking, you don't need a wm. but not being able to resize or move windows around can be annoying :) |
| 02:21.15 | enouf | crweb: it's a numbered Series |
| 02:21.21 | crweb | enouf: starting with ICH9 |
| 02:21.26 | enouf | crweb: before 9 there was 8 |
| 02:21.32 | crweb | 82801IB ICH9 |
| 02:21.36 | enouf | crweb: before 8 there was 7 |
| 02:21.37 | crweb | that is ICH9, |
| 02:21.38 | enouf | get it |
| 02:21.42 | crweb | 82801IR ICH9R |
| 02:21.46 | crweb | that is ICH9R |
| 02:21.47 | Bushmills | wd, but x server is needed. x clients ask it to put their output on the screen |
| 02:21.51 | crweb | ICH9 does not support ahci |
| 02:21.56 | crweb | ICH9R does |
| 02:22.03 | crweb | I'm talking about _the chip_ |
| 02:22.11 | crweb | not some "family" of chips |
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| 02:22.41 | crweb | so call bull all you want. its a fact. ICH9 chip does not support ahci |
| 02:22.42 | enouf | boy, intel really sucks |
| 02:22.50 | enouf | no ICH9 does |
| 02:22.53 | crweb | no it does not |
| 02:22.58 | crweb | freaking read the doc |
| 02:23.01 | crweb | ICH9 is a CHIP |
| 02:23.02 | wd | Bushmills: so i need to get the "whole" x window chilada huh, server and client for a wm? |
| 02:23.08 | DeltaS4 | Wyzard, I noticed that the ttf-arphic fonts are not smooth, like fixed :S |
| 02:23.18 | wd | Bushmills: rats. :o) |
| 02:23.20 | enouf | because ICH9 is a series of I/O controller hubs |
| 02:23.24 | crweb | oh my god |
| 02:23.30 | crweb | ICH9* is a series |
| 02:23.35 | DeltaS4 | at least at reduced sizes like 12 |
| 02:23.36 | crweb | ICH9 is the FIRST CHIP in that series |
| 02:23.44 | enouf | you're specific OEM version perhaps does not |
| 02:23.48 | Bushmills | wd, the clients are the "graphical programs". a wm is a client too. not needed until you want to run them. |
| 02:23.50 | crweb | oh my god... |
| 02:23.54 | crweb | it says it in the freaking doc |
| 02:23.59 | enouf | and all it is, is blocking certain traces during Manu |
| 02:24.07 | crweb | you're done. good bye |
| 02:24.19 | enouf | right, i'm done |
| 02:24.38 | DeltaS4 | but I remember them smooth on slackware for long time ago |
| 02:24.41 | crweb | Wyzard: i'm pretty sure its a problem with linux+ the ICH9 driver in 2.6.25 |
| 02:24.44 | enouf | and you are relegated to the b0z0 box ;-) |
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| 02:25.28 | Bogus8 | ok scrap emacs 22... emacs21 should be able to handle these .el files and do highlighting... anyone do any php/html editing in emacs? |
| 02:25.33 | DeltaS4 | ah, problem solved, Wyzard |
| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | crweb: There's no "ICH9 driver" -- there's the ata_piix driver which you're using, and the ahci driver which I'm using, depending in which mode the controller is in |
| 02:25.43 | pickcoder | it really depends on the device ID... |
| 02:25.44 | enouf | crweb: do you have choices of [RAID] and [IDE] under your IDE Config options in the BIOS? |
| 02:25.48 | Wyzard | crweb: and I'm using an ICH8 and 2.6.24 |
| 02:25.50 | DeltaS4 | I removed the uming package |
| 02:25.59 | enouf | crweb: and any options under SATA Config? |
| 02:26.14 | DeltaS4 | the ukai works fine |
| 02:26.36 | DeltaS4 | now let me see japanese |
| 02:27.02 | crweb | enouf: no, ICH9 82801IB does not have ahci support |
| 02:27.03 | Guerin | Bogus8: i did a bit |
| 02:27.10 | Guerin | Bogus8: not php, just html and css |
| 02:27.19 | christoz | !depmode |
| 02:27.23 | crweb | enouf: its called a name of a chipset. ICH9 is a model. |
| 02:27.27 | Guerin | it's angry salad unless you change it, but I don't mind that |
| 02:27.28 | crweb | enouf: it doesnt support ahci |
| 02:27.29 | Wyzard | crweb: or, it has AHCI support but the motherboard vendor chose to disable it |
| 02:27.36 | enouf | crweb: a revision |
| 02:27.38 | crweb | Wyzard: its in Intel's SPEC |
| 02:27.42 | enouf | wahooooo: bingo |
| 02:27.50 | enouf | erm Wyzard |
| 02:27.56 | wd | Bushmills: ok so i need what exactly to run a simple wm i'm thinking openbox thanks for your suggestion on that? |
| 02:27.57 | crweb | Wyzard: ICH9 does not officially support AHCI |
| 02:27.59 | enouf | wahooooo: sorry .. but wahooooo !!! ;-) |
| 02:28.05 | christoz | !depmode |
| 02:28.05 | crweb | ICH9R does |
| 02:28.07 | Bogus8 | Guerin: any clue why when I go into php-mode that I still don't have highlighting and such? |
| 02:28.15 | enouf | christoz: what are you doing? |
| 02:28.26 | enouf | christoz: man depmod |
| 02:28.34 | christoz | ok sorry |
| 02:28.35 | wd | Bushmills: the whole x window system plus whatever sarge offers? |
| 02:28.45 | Guerin | Bogus8: M-x font-lock-mode |
| 02:28.49 | Bushmills | wd, if you can handle unusual window manager concepts but want it very light. look at ion. larswm is also very compact. lighter than openbox. but ... different ... |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | christoz: do "/msg dpkg msg the bot" |
| 02:29.00 | Guerin | Bogus8: it's not always on by default |
| 02:29.11 | Bushmills | wd, X server is needed |
| 02:29.12 | wd | Bushmills: hmm ok |
| 02:29.36 | wd | Bushmills: yay.. ok so just get x server-xfree86 plus wm? |
| 02:29.47 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I enabled it and I am still not getting highlighting |
| 02:29.48 | Guerin | welcome to 2008 |
| 02:30.01 | Guerin | aptitude install xorg your-wm |
| 02:30.06 | Guerin | Bogus8: no idea then |
| 02:30.13 | crweb | enouf: list of intel chipsets ahci support http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imst/sb/cs-012304.htm |
| 02:30.14 | Bushmills | wd, yes. the clients will pull some dependencies, libs mainly. |
| 02:30.31 | crweb | enouf: guess what, plan ICH9 (82801IB) not supported |
| 02:30.57 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
| 02:31.09 | wd | Bushmills: here i go.... :) |
| 02:31.11 | Bushmills | wd, and you probably want base-clients too. |
| 02:31.33 | crweb | enouf: board with ICH9 no ahci support http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1705&l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0 |
| 02:31.45 | Bushmills | otherwise it may be a bit difficult to start X, especially when you're not using a display manager (which you don't need) |
| 02:31.55 | crweb | enouf: board with ICH9R (ahci support) http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1866&modelmenu=2 |
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| 02:32.10 | crweb | would you look at that.. one says ICH9, the other says ICH9R |
| 02:32.23 | wd | Bushmills: oh... so get xserver-xfree86 and base-clients and ion? that should keep it lite huh.. i mean versus getting the whole X window system? |
| 02:32.26 | crweb | :) ICH9 = no ahci |
| 02:32.28 | christoz | why does debianhelp/nvidia wesite prompts me to add <adduser user video> in order to use 3d applications? |
| 02:32.38 | christoz | website* |
| 02:33.24 | Bushmills | wd, any reason to prefer xfree over xorg? |
| 02:33.26 | DeltaS4 | Wyzard, :O Japanese is still 'fixed' and just the small ka and ke are using sazanami :S |
| 02:33.33 | Wyzard | crweb: http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/316972.htm covers the 82801IB, and page 49 says "The ICH9 provides hardware support for the Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI)" without saying anything about it being supported only on certain models |
| 02:33.33 | christoz | actually says: Users that want to run 3D applications need to be added to the "video" group |
| 02:33.38 | pickcoder | christoz: the video group may not be default for new or existing users |
| 02:33.51 | crweb | Wyzard: thats about the ICH9 family |
| 02:33.55 | pickcoder | same for "audio" |
| 02:33.56 | crweb | I'm talking about the ICH9 chip |
| 02:34.06 | poseidon | How would I go about changing from testing to unstable. I'm having a lot of problems because I need libraries from unstable, and they aren't working with the ones I have in stable. |
| 02:34.15 | enouf | from your PDF you posted; Overview |
| 02:34.16 | enouf | The ICH9 provides extensive I/O support. Functions and capabilities include: |
| 02:34.16 | poseidon | *the ones I have in testing |
| 02:34.24 | christoz | picklocker icannot understand the idea of creating groups for each kind of application |
| 02:34.30 | enouf | • Integrated Serial ATA host controllers with independent DMA operation on up to six |
| 02:34.30 | enouf | ports and AHCI support. |
| 02:34.35 | Wyzard | crweb: hmm... page 54 of that document says No in the AHCI column for ICH9 and Yes for the other three variants |
| 02:34.47 | christoz | are you doing that too pickcoder ? |
| 02:34.49 | enouf | get it yet? or are you really that ignorant? |
| 02:34.50 | crweb | Wyzard: :) |
| 02:34.52 | pickcoder | crweb: what's the PCI device ID for the chip |
| 02:34.55 | wd | Bushmills: no i'm use to xorg on my desktops/big boxes.. but this is sarge, toshiba satellite 40m ram, 500m hd, 75-100mhz..will xorg work? |
| 02:34.58 | crweb | enouf: read what Wyzard said |
| 02:35.03 | Wyzard | crweb: yet there's a footnote on it that says it "provides hardware support for AHCI functionality when enabled by appropriate system configuration and software driver" |
| 02:35.08 | enouf | read what i posted |
| 02:35.10 | pickcoder | christoz: the applications choose to do that |
| 02:35.14 | crweb | enouf: you can't be that dense to understand that ICH9 is a "chip" as well as a family |
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| 02:35.34 | guillermo_spain | hi |
| 02:35.36 | wd | Bushmills: i just added backports and did apt-cache and saw xorg.. yay. |
| 02:35.44 | Wyzard | enouf: See if you can make sense of the table on page 64 where it says the ICH9 Base doesn't support AHCI, and then in a footnote says that it does |
| 02:35.46 | crweb | pickcoder: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 02:35.55 | Wyzard | enouf: oops, 54, not 64 |
| 02:35.57 | christoz | pickcoder : what if i won't adduser to the video group for example ...what will happen? |
| 02:36.02 | pickcoder | the 4-digit device ID |
| 02:36.11 | pickcoder | lspci -n |
| 02:36.14 | crweb | Wyzard: softawre enabled ahci (you have to install the windows driver) |
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| 02:36.22 | enouf | The ICH9 provides hardware support for Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI), a |
| 02:36.22 | enouf | new programming interface for SATA host controllers. Platforms supporting AHCI may |
| 02:36.23 | enouf | take advantage of performance features such as no master/slave designation for SATA |
| 02:36.23 | enouf | devices |
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| 02:36.25 | wd | Bushmills: oh yeah.. xorg is huge right...trying to save space.. on 175m left :( |
| 02:36.30 | guillermo_spain | when you create a package with dpkg-buildpackage where's put the resulting file? |
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| 02:36.38 | guillermo_spain | (.deb) |
| 02:36.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf, rofl |
| 02:36.43 | pickcoder | christoz: then the program won't have access to the "video" owned files/devices |
| 02:36.45 | crweb | enouf: all you have to do is read the chipset spec |
| 02:36.53 | crweb | enouf: you're making youself look like an idiot |
| 02:36.56 | enouf | man, PDFs have gotten really Sucky |
| 02:37.06 | enouf | crweb: and you are an idiot |
| 02:37.25 | pickcoder | enouf: it could be possible that the chip installed is a desktop non-AHCI/non-RAID controller |
| 02:37.36 | Wyzard | crweb: It specifically says, in the footnote, that your chip "provides hardware support for AHCI functionality", which is what confuses me since the table says AHCI: No |
| 02:37.38 | crweb | Wyzard: asus says you can enable it by installing windows driver |
| 02:37.58 | enouf | pickcoder: yes, as i said, all it is is disabled traces |
| 02:37.59 | Wyzard | crweb: so the support is there, just not as a BIOS option |
| 02:38.10 | crweb | Wyzard: no, something to do with software cmds |
| 02:38.13 | pickcoder | no.. not according to the intel spec |
| 02:38.14 | crweb | Wyzard: its not hardware |
| 02:38.19 | enouf | pickcoder: or, even better, just disabled by the vendor or manu |
| 02:38.21 | pickcoder | which is why I wanted the device id |
| 02:38.26 | Wyzard | crweb: Software emulation of AHCI on top of the legacy mode? |
| 02:38.27 | christoz | pickcoder : you mean that each programm creates its own files with the a user list access only ? |
| 02:38.33 | crweb | Wyzard: that what it says |
| 02:38.33 | wd | Bushmills: ? |
| 02:38.37 | pickcoder | 2921 and 2920 dot not support AHCI at all |
| 02:38.44 | pickcoder | dot not.. heh |
| 02:38.49 | Wyzard | crweb: That wouldn't make any sense; you wouldn't get the stated benefits of AHCI (NCQ and hotplug) that way |
| 02:38.51 | wd | Bushmills: isn't xorg bigger than xfree? |
| 02:38.56 | crweb | Wyzard: no idea heh |
| 02:38.57 | pickcoder | http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/specupdt/316973.pdf |
| 02:39.14 | enouf | Wyzard: yep, looks like it |
| 02:39.32 | Bushmills | wd, can't say |
| 02:39.39 | pickcoder | christoz: no.. not every program/application |
| 02:39.45 | crweb | enouf: as Wyzard said, ICH9 chip is non-AHCI/non-Raid |
| 02:39.49 | Wyzard | crweb: btw, I put my spare drive in my Windows box (the one with the ICH9R) and I'm doing a throwaway install of Ubuntu on it, so I can do some performance tests there |
| 02:39.54 | crweb | enouf: where as ICH9R is ACHI/Raid |
| 02:40.02 | enouf | crweb: nope |
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| 02:40.08 | crweb | enouf: lol |
| 02:40.16 | enouf | you just said you could enable it in Wintendos |
| 02:40.16 | crweb | enouf: you really just don't want to look at that spec huh? |
| 02:40.32 | enouf | crweb: dude, i already posted your own documentation |
| 02:40.51 | crweb | enouf: uh. you posted a summery of the family. not the features ON the chip |
| 02:40.54 | Wyzard | enouf: only when actually running Windows, presumably... e.g. the driver sends some magic command to the chip at startup |
| 02:40.57 | christoz | loggin out...brb |
| 02:41.13 | crweb | enouf: actually try reading the intel spec for the chip |
| 02:41.43 | Wyzard | I really doubt Intel's driver is emulating AHCI on top of the chip's legacy mode |
| 02:41.50 | enouf | crweb: screw manu literature - and if you love it so much, why don't you post some to bolster your point? i already proved you wrong |
| 02:42.05 | crweb | enouf: we have posted several already |
| 02:42.15 | crweb | not sure what else you would want |
| 02:42.23 | enouf | Wyzard: prior to me pasting, i saw NOtes about that somewhere in the 40s and 50s |
| 02:42.24 | Wyzard | but I wonder if maybe the ICH9 has most of the hardware necessary for AHCI, but not quite a full AHCI implementation, so the driver does software emulation of the last little bit needed for a compliant AHCI interface |
| 02:42.32 | poseidon | How would I go about changing from testing to unstable. I'm having a lot of problems because I need libraries from unstable, and they aren't working with the ones I have in testing |
| 02:42.40 | pickcoder | I posted the specs for the specific device IDs |
| 02:42.49 | crweb | Wyzard: thats what i'm thinking as well. they just wouldn't remove all of it out of the chip |
| 02:43.08 | enouf | Wyzard: but, since, i gave up on PDFs for tonight - they suck ass ;-) |
| 02:43.11 | crweb | enouf: i'll post it again so you can read: http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/specupdt/316973.pdf |
| 02:43.18 | crweb | enouf: oh i'll fix that |
| 02:43.43 | crweb | oh nvrmind. Google won't give the show as html option |
| 02:43.44 | Bushmills | wd, Xorg itself is about 1.7 megabytes here, that excludes any loadable drivers, and the run time libs |
| 02:43.58 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
| 02:44.10 | crweb | enouf: so if you won't read the docs, but yet you still swear that its not in the docs... classic #debian.. heh |
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| 02:44.17 | wd | Bushmills: i'll try xorg first |
| 02:44.36 | crweb | rtfm.. but i did it says its not supported, 'bull" |
| 02:44.38 | enouf | Wyzard: btw, as an aside, do you find in whichever PDF viewing app you're using, that if you copy selected text, it adds \n lines ? |
| 02:44.59 | enouf | crweb: i pasted twice already directly from that PDF |
| 02:45.10 | enouf | !rtfm crweb |
| 02:45.10 | dpkg | gives crweb an engraved copy of the fantastic manual and extols crweb to read it completely. |
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| 02:45.48 | crweb | enouf: whatever, get a clue when everyone in the convo tells you the same thing. |
| 02:45.55 | crweb | freaking trolls. |
| 02:46.05 | crweb | Wyzard: let me know about that gaming machine |
| 02:46.19 | crweb | Wyzard: i want to do more tests on the ICH9 later to see where in the kernel it is failing |
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| 02:47.00 | pickcoder | guys.. can we drop it? |
| 02:47.03 | Wyzard | crweb: yeah, evince and acroread both do that |
| 02:47.12 | enouf | when said freaking troll uses your own posted documentation to prove you wrong, is that still a freakin troll? |
| 02:47.21 | wd | exit |
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| 02:47.28 | enouf | Wyzard: right, acroread did it |
| 02:47.35 | Wyzard | oops, enouf not crweb |
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| 02:47.45 | Wyzard | I believe the linebreaks are actually part of the PDF |
| 02:48.00 | enouf | Wyzard: was curious if xpdf, kpdf, ghostview, etc did it too |
| 02:48.20 | Wyzard | PDF is a fairly "physical" layout medium that just draws text at specified coordinates; it doesn't do formatting and word-wrapping |
| 02:48.29 | enouf | yeah. .. but i can copy and paste directly from HTML using links2 and avoid any \n |
| 02:49.03 | Wyzard | When you copy text in your browser, the browser did the word-wrapping so it knows that the linebreaks aren't "real" |
| 02:49.56 | Wyzard | but the PDF file contains a line of text with coordinates for where to draw it, and then another line of text with coordinates for where to draw that, as separate an independent items |
| 02:50.39 | enouf | sure, i knew that, just couldn't explain it like you can, thanks :-) |
| 02:50.39 | DeltaS4 | Wyzard, :| this is prefering clearlyU for some characters and baekmuk gulim for others |
| 02:52.18 | enouf | Wyzard: well, i mean, say browsers like konqueror (or FF, opera, etc ?), they don't do what my links2 does, they retain the line breaks when pasting |
| 02:52.38 | enouf | Wyzard: so i was curious if maybe some viewers ignore that PDF metadata crap |
| 02:53.06 | pickcoder | or the paste tool is broken and is adding additional breaks |
| 02:53.31 | enouf | pickcoder: could be, but same tool |
| 02:53.37 | pickcoder | broken breaks... |
| 02:53.39 | Wyzard | enouf: FF adds linebreaks when you copy text from a paragraph? |
| 02:53.44 | Wyzard | enouf: Or links does? |
| 02:53.49 | enouf | pickcoder: and how would it know WHERE to add them ;-) |
| 02:54.04 | enouf | Wyzard: links2 does not |
| 02:54.10 | pickcoder | it finds them from the PS content |
| 02:54.16 | enouf | Wyzard: i never used FF, but i have uysed Konqueror |
| 02:54.28 | pickcoder | hrm.. actually the viewer would be at fault then |
| 02:54.35 | enouf | pickcoder: right. so how is that a misbehaving paste tool? |
| 02:54.37 | pickcoder | anyhoo |
| 02:54.45 | enouf | right |
| 02:54.47 | pickcoder | I guess it's not |
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| 02:55.07 | Wyzard | I'd be surprised if any graphical browser added hard linebreaks when copying text that contains soft breaks due to word-wrapping |
| 02:55.18 | pickcoder | just sounded like a good place to put blame... |
| 02:55.25 | enouf | pickcoder: :-P |
| 02:55.32 | christoz | guys i've followed the guide @ http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm , but i've forgot to Reconfigure X to use the new drivers,should i follow te guide again ? |
| 02:55.38 | christoz | the* |
| 02:55.44 | enouf | Wyzard: want to see a sample of comparing the 2 (links2 vs Konq) ? |
| 02:55.49 | Wyzard | sure |
| 02:55.53 | enouf | ok, one sec |
| 02:56.15 | pickcoder | kicks KWeather |
| 02:56.40 | crweb | Wyzard: i'm truly amazed by the difference here. I'm copying 4 8gb files to usb drives and don't even know. Before i couldn't even bring up the gnome or kde menu |
| 02:56.48 | enouf | picks out some arbitrary URL |
| 02:57.34 | enouf | Wyzard: hrm, ok, here goes a few line in Konqueror; |
| 02:57.35 | enouf | Summary: |
| 02:57.35 | enouf | My goal was to create a powerful small form-factor media editing machine, primarily used in editing RAW photos and high-definition video footage. I used the latest and greatest Shuttle - the SD39P2 XPC |
| 02:57.39 | pickcoder | crweb: want fast drives.. check out managedflash |
| 02:57.47 | pickcoder | managedflash.com |
| 02:58.07 | pickcoder | actually.. it's disk system.. not a drive |
| 02:58.19 | crweb | pickcoder: the problem wasn't drive speed, it was that if i did any I/O responce time and everything would just go to crap to a point x11 couldn't even draw its own windows. |
| 02:58.20 | enouf | Wyzard: see how after "Summary" started a newline? http://forums.thoughtsmedia.com/f305/building-monster-media-machine-using-shuttles-sd39p2-xpc-31593.html <-- random URL |
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| 02:58.30 | crweb | the copy would happen very fast |
| 02:58.36 | crweb | just couldn't use anything during |
| 02:59.08 | christoz | anyone please i think it's important |
| 02:59.30 | crweb | christoz: you can repeat the installer |
| 02:59.44 | Wyzard | enouf: That's appropriate, because "Summary:" is actually a different line in the HTML; there's a <br> tag after it |
| 02:59.45 | crweb | christoz: all it does is change "nv" to "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:59.47 | enouf | Wyzard: now in links2 , i'm sure i can grab more text without any breaks, so i'l show that now; |
| 02:59.48 | enouf | Summary: My goal was to create a powerful small form-factor media editing machine, primarily used in editing RAW photos and high-definition video footage. I used the latest and greatest Shuttle - the SD39P2 XPC - when I started this project, combined it with the best that Intel, Kingston, and Western Digital had to offer, and ended up with a screamer of a machine. |
| 02:59.55 | enouf | See? |
| 03:00.18 | Wyzard | enouf: I'd actually say you're getting the wrong behavior from links2 in that case |
| 03:00.27 | enouf | Wyzard: i know that - but i like the fact that links2 'ignores' that metadata crap |
| 03:00.34 | enouf | Wyzard: no, very useful ;-) |
| 03:00.35 | Wyzard | enouf: What I was talking about was linebreaks in word-wrapped text |
| 03:00.43 | enouf | Wyzard: i can always grab the HTML source ;-) |
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| 03:01.11 | enouf | Wyzard: but i almost never need to .. so, it works well for me |
| 03:01.16 | christoz | ok brb |
| 03:01.19 | Wyzard | My goal was to create a powerful small form-factor media editing machine, primarily used in editing RAW |
| 03:01.19 | Wyzard | photos and high-definition video footage. |
| 03:01.24 | Wyzard | enouf: ^^ That's the sort of thing I meant |
| 03:02.00 | enouf | Wyzard: aye .. i see .. well obviously, that might also depoend on whether CSS and other XML crap are used |
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| 03:02.03 | Wyzard | That's the behavior you get when copying from a PDF |
| 03:02.11 | enouf | yea |
| 03:02.33 | Wyzard | I don't know of any web browser that does that when copying text (I simulated it by pasting into gedit and adding the linebreak manually before pasting into xchat) |
| 03:03.06 | enouf | Wyzard: well the break here is actually after "photos" not just after "RAW" |
| 03:03.26 | enouf | Wyzard: well, i was talking about whatever i showed ;-) you define it :-P |
| 03:03.30 | Wyzard | It depends on the size of your browser window, of course |
| 03:03.43 | crweb | Wyzard: i can confirm it is the ich9 |
| 03:03.52 | enouf | Wyzard: well see .. now, THAT shouldn't matter if metadata is involved, right? |
| 03:04.07 | crweb | Wyzard: same pc, both in ide mode. JMicron controller is fast and doesn't slow system. ICH9 drive brings x11 to its knees |
| 03:04.16 | Wyzard | crweb: I just finished my test install on my ICH9 system |
| 03:04.49 | enouf | Wyzard: IOW, the breaks are where they are, as written in the source html (unfortunatly, that term; "source html" doesn't say much :-P) |
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| 03:05.23 | Wyzard | crweb: but since you're using the legacy ICH5-compatible mode, the "ICH9" issue you're seeing could really just be with the ata_piix driver or the chip's legacy mode in general |
| 03:05.34 | crweb | Wyzard: could be |
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| 03:06.09 | poseidon | I still have a semi-new testing installation. I want to change to unstable. What would be the best way to do this? |
| 03:06.13 | enouf | which [mode] s are available? |
| 03:06.32 | enouf | Enhanced, Compatibility, Native, ? |
| 03:06.52 | erpo | Are fingerprint readers good for anything? They don't provide meaningful security so I wouldn't replace my password with my fingerprint. I'm looking for alternate uses for the reader built into my laptop. |
| 03:06.54 | crweb | Wyzard: my 865PE chipset doesn't have this issue.. |
| 03:06.55 | enouf | poseidon: if you have to ask, you shouldn't ;-) |
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| 03:07.19 | martman | anyone happen to know of package for something like a distributed batch scheduler or like a job cluster scheduler |
| 03:07.25 | Wyzard | enouf: In my BIOS, the choices for my ICH9R are "IDE" (legacy mode using the ata_piix driver), "AHCI" (using the ahci driver, obviously), and "RAID" (never tried it so I don't know what driver this uses) |
| 03:07.27 | martman | im not sure what to search for since im not sure what its called |
| 03:07.32 | enouf | erpo: some people find them 'convenient' |
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| 03:07.53 | enouf | Wyzard: right - that makes complete sense ;-) |
| 03:07.53 | Guerin | do they not provide meaningful security? |
| 03:08.00 | erpo | enouf: I'm sure, but can they do anything useful for security-conscious people? |
| 03:08.11 | erpo | Guerin: No, they don't. |
| 03:08.12 | enouf | erpo: i think not, but i'm not sure |
| 03:08.32 | Guerin | i understand they can increase the risk of someone taking your thumb as well as your Benz keys, but that's another matter |
| 03:08.40 | enouf | erpo: i mean, say like to disable a screensaver, instead of using a passwd |
| 03:08.41 | crweb | enouf: my bios only gives "IDE" because the chip is the desktop non-AHCI/non-RAID ICH9 listed in that table in the pdf |
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| 03:09.10 | erpo | Guerin: They're easily tricked using a copy of the fingerprint, which are all over the keyboard. |
| 03:09.17 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:09.21 | enouf | crweb: under your SATA Config area? Do you even have a PATA Controller on there? |
| 03:09.32 | crweb | enouf: no |
| 03:09.35 | Guerin | you'd think they'd design around that shit before deploying it |
| 03:09.57 | erpo | shrugs. |
| 03:10.06 | enouf | ok, i know the ich9 dropped support for PATA entirely (maybe they started with ICH8, i forget offhand) |
| 03:10.32 | erpo | Guerin: I'm beginning to suspect that the idea of using a fingerprint for authentication (as opposed to identification) purposes is fundamentally flawed. |
| 03:10.37 | crweb | enouf: it says SATA Configure as Mode "compat", "stand" , "Enhanced" |
| 03:10.47 | enouf | crweb: have you looked into possible flash BIOS upgrades? |
| 03:10.51 | enouf | Ahh .. ok |
| 03:11.03 | crweb | enouf: and below that it says Configure SATA as "ide" only option ever |
| 03:11.14 | enouf | i see ... |
| 03:11.15 | crweb | because again, my chip is non-ahci/non-raid ICH9 |
| 03:11.22 | Guerin | erpo: mm. biometrics are creepy too. Especially when your machine comes with Windows Vista Surveillance Edition pre-installed |
| 03:11.26 | crweb | which is the "basic" ICH9 chip |
| 03:11.36 | enouf | sure .. it's functionality is diasbled |
| 03:11.50 | crweb | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller |
| 03:11.58 | crweb | Not by ASUS though, by Intel |
| 03:12.12 | crweb | if asus had used the ICH9R, i would have that option |
| 03:12.31 | crweb | (the next model up) |
| 03:12.34 | enouf | just like Sony does to some of it's Intel Core2Duo CPUs, it disables the hardware VT functionality in the BIOS, but the CPU still support it - and someone i know hacked the BIOS to enable it ;-) |
| 03:12.51 | crweb | enouf: Thats what i was tryign to tell you about that *exact* chip |
| 03:13.07 | Wyzard | enouf: Disabled with no possibility of re-enabling it? (My BIOS has a setting to control that) |
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| 03:13.29 | enouf | Wyzard: no, the person enabled it ;-) |
| 03:13.30 | crweb | enouf: that *chip* ICH9 (82801IB), does not have ahci |
| 03:13.42 | Wyzard | well, with no "supported" way to enable it, I mean |
| 03:13.44 | crweb | i'm sure ICH9* does |
| 03:14.21 | Wyzard | crweb: except for that confusing footnote that says it "provides hardware support for AHCI" if you use the right driver (e.g. the Matrix Storage Manager) |
| 03:14.27 | crweb | is it physically on the chip, I'm sure it is. They don't repress every chip for each feature |
| 03:14.42 | crweb | it is not a feature of MY chip |
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| 03:14.50 | martman | no one has any ideas? |
| 03:14.54 | enouf | crweb: if so, then i applaud Intel for actually separating out revisions that 'do' support this and others that 'don't' support that .. however, as we've just seen from their Asswipe Marketing trends they still make overreaching "Generalizations" as it behooves them to do so |
| 03:14.58 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 03:14.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:15.04 | erpo | crweb: I didn't catch the beginning of this conversation, but it's not hard to disable features on a per-chip basis. |
| 03:15.26 | enouf | crweb: but , as you mentioned, Windows versions 'support' ahci on that ich9 revision, somehow |
| 03:15.38 | crweb | enouf: intels feature table says my Chip ICH9 82801IB is non-achi/non-raid |
| 03:15.44 | crweb | enouf: I dont' know if that is official |
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| 03:16.08 | crweb | enouf: one of those.. thats what tech support said |
| 03:16.17 | crweb | who knows if that is true. |
| 03:16.37 | enouf | Wyzard: no, i mean, they gave NO option in the BIOS to enable/disable the hardware VT |
| 03:16.42 | martman | anyone happen to know of package for something like a distributed batch scheduler or like a grid batch scheduler? |
| 03:16.54 | martman | besides from MOAB |
| 03:16.58 | crweb | enouf: it wasn't just left out of bios though |
| 03:17.07 | crweb | enouf: the bios did have it 4 versions ago |
| 03:17.08 | enouf | Wyzard: the particular laptops were sold at a lower pricepoint, and so they had the BIOS vendors disable that feature, entirely |
| 03:17.10 | erpo | martman: Maybe if you describe what you want to do rather than the kind of software you'd like to use, you'd have better results. |
| 03:17.16 | crweb | enouf: they removed it from teh bios because it didnt work |
| 03:17.25 | enouf | hrm |
| 03:17.38 | martman | no, that sums it up pretty nicely... |
| 03:18.08 | martman | unfortunately it doesnt come up with alot of relevant hits. im guessing there are some better terms |
| 03:18.10 | erpo | martman: Well, I might have the answer to your question (as might anyone else), but I don't know what a distributed batch scheduler is. |
| 03:18.11 | crweb | enouf: i take that to mean that the chip must be lacking the portion that had ahci |
| 03:18.12 | enouf | crweb: so .. originally the chip was designed for AHCI then |
| 03:18.25 | stew | i can't believe this discussion is still going on |
| 03:18.26 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm getting a bit of a performance hit on the test install with the drive connected to the JMicron AHCI controller |
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| 03:18.38 | crweb | enouf: and the "raid" portion of the chip must contain achi |
| 03:18.49 | crweb | ICH9R (r for raid |
| 03:18.50 | martman | erpo is a batch scheduler thats distributed over a set of computers |
| 03:18.51 | enouf | crweb: and for some reason , someone screwed up the implementation ;-) |
| 03:19.01 | enouf | crweb: we know r is for raid ;-P |
| 03:19.05 | samantha-- | where is the cups control widget for kde? |
| 03:19.09 | crweb | enouf: i don't think so.. Its pretty clear on the feature table.. |
| 03:19.11 | martman | erpo one computer finishes a job, get the next off the list |
| 03:19.14 | Wyzard | crweb: making a copy of my 6GB dataset... it's OK in general but stalls every 10-15 seconds, presumably while the kernel's buffers are being flushed to disk |
| 03:19.17 | martman | like a normal batch scheduler |
| 03:19.25 | crweb | enouf: the next version up p5k-e has the ICH9R |
| 03:19.39 | enouf | crweb: did you know many g33 chipsets only have a [raid] or [ide] option, and selecting the [raid] one, enables AHCI |
| 03:19.47 | crweb | enouf: yep. already tried that |
| 03:19.55 | crweb | enouf: i read the bios revision, which sent me to the intel doc |
| 03:20.05 | crweb | enouf: the removed it because it didn't exist |
| 03:20.07 | erpo | martman: That sounds pretty specialized. Maybe boinc would help you? SETI@Home uses it. |
| 03:20.18 | enouf | crweb: but because a lot of Dell (and other OEM) owners have no clue, and they think "well i don't have RAID, so" ... |
| 03:20.25 | Vasistha | samantha--: dunno, but #kde or #debian-kde are both good bets |
| 03:20.26 | enouf | they lose out on their AHCI abilities |
| 03:20.47 | crweb | enouf: they placed a RAID controller (JMicron) with ahci support also on the board |
| 03:20.48 | enouf | that is, IF they even mess around in the BIOS |
| 03:21.12 | crweb | enouf: i guess this was to make up for the non support of ICH9 |
| 03:21.25 | crweb | the other boards don't have that, they have the Intel raid |
| 03:21.44 | enouf | crweb: well, also, Intel has the bullcrap Intel Matrix RAID10 support thing using yet ANOTHER Chip, the Sil |
| 03:21.50 | Vasistha | so, I am dual-booting this machine quite a bit and am getting impatient with all of the fsck's happening during bootup. Since I'm mounting on average 3 times a day, is it reasonable to use tune2fs to, e.g., only do a check every 100 or 200 mounts, instead of once every 30 mounts? |
| 03:22.07 | enouf | crweb: nowadays, it's not rare to have atleast 2, sometimes 3 sata controllers |
| 03:22.10 | enouf | onboard |
| 03:22.17 | Wyzard | crweb: both my ICH8 and ICH9 boards have the JMicron AHCI-capable controller *in addition to* the Intel AHCI-capable ICH |
| 03:22.19 | sauvin | that depends on what you call 'reasonable'. fsck happens for a reason. |
| 03:22.28 | crweb | enouf: i think its 2 different chips. and they left out the raid portion, which kills ahci |
| 03:22.38 | crweb | Wyzard: so your lspci says ICH9R |
| 03:22.55 | erpo | Vasistha: Depends. How brave are you? And what filesystem are you using? |
| 03:23.03 | Wyzard | crweb: yes, 82801IR |
| 03:23.04 | Vasistha | sauvin: well, yeah :) that's kinda why I decided to come in here and discuss it. I mean, there's also the once-in-45-days check. I'm using ext3 |
| 03:23.13 | crweb | Wyzard: yep. it has the raid portion |
| 03:23.21 | crweb | ahci must be located in the raid controller for ICH9 |
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| 03:23.38 | crweb | enouf: i count that as a screw up yes |
| 03:23.39 | erpo | Vasistha: You could switch to ZFS. Its on-disk state is never invalid. |
| 03:23.55 | erpo | Vasistha: Even after a crash. |
| 03:23.58 | crweb | enouf: if not a screw up, at least very bad design |
| 03:24.24 | Rusty1 | samantha--: try K-->Run Command kprinter |
| 03:24.53 | Wyzard | crweb: The AHCI support can't be entirely (or even mostly) in the RAID portion of the chip, since Intel's datasheet says the ICH9 Base (what you have) provides "hardware support for AHCI" if you use their special driver |
| 03:25.08 | crweb | Wyzard: i agree |
| 03:25.09 | Vasistha | erpo: well, that's an interesting proposal, but not very "easy" just right now. Also, I would tend to do the less-frequent checks not for my root partitions, but rather for data partitions that don't usually have a big number of files open |
| 03:25.24 | crweb | Wyzard: but it must be enough linux can't do it |
| 03:25.34 | crweb | Wyzard: that backups the windows driver claim |
| 03:25.45 | stew | you guys have been discussing this chip and its possible support of AHCI for well over an hour now. are you actually making some progress towards some goal? |
| 03:25.45 | crweb | err, backs up |
| 03:25.54 | crweb | stew yes |
| 03:26.10 | Vasistha | erpo: btw, is zfs in etch? |
| 03:26.16 | erpo | Vasistha: It's a trade off. I would feel comfortable fscking only every 100 or 200 mounts if I had really good regular backups. |
| 03:26.21 | enouf | crweb: my point about the Matrix10 crap was the 2nd chip (Sil something) that actually does the 'supposed' onbaord hardware raid, has to work with the Intel Chips (ICHx), as the Sil uses 1 port, and 3 Intel ports to create and control the 4 drive RAID10 |
| 03:26.24 | crweb | stew understanding the hardware in place allows us to see the differences and compare performance between the 2 chips to see if my debian problem is debian, or the linux kernel |
| 03:26.28 | Wyzard | OK, my conclusion on the JMicron AHCI is that I do get I/O starvation when the buffers are flushed to disk |
| 03:26.39 | Wyzard | going to move the drive over to the ICH9 AHCI and see if it's any worse |
| 03:26.50 | erpo | Vasistha: ZFS isn't packaged for debian AFAIK. You have to build it yourself. Luckily it's not a kernel module so you don't have to rebuild it after every upgrade. |
| 03:26.53 | Vasistha | erpo: ah. I mean, part of the thing to consider here is that 100 mounts are going to happen once a month -- so they'll still be checked once in 30 days |
| 03:27.39 | Vasistha | yay for not constantly rebuilding, unlike my wifi driver that I can't currently build for the present backport kernel |
| 03:27.46 | erpo | Vasistha: Nobody is going to tell you, "Yes, fscking every x mounts is safe." Your data is never safe. All you can do is make regular backups. |
| 03:27.51 | crweb | enouf: i guess it could be possible to write a "software" driver for ICH9 to enable the ahci while running |
| 03:28.09 | Vasistha | erpo: agreed. thanks for your input :) |
| 03:28.18 | crweb | enouf: implement whatever is missing on that chip. |
| 03:28.56 | Wyzard | crweb: I can imagine some sort of ahci-intel driver that does whatever the MSM does to make AHCI work, so that the ahci driver can drive the controller |
| 03:29.19 | crweb | wonder if it exists already |
| 03:30.19 | crweb | probably not. I probably have the only crap board ever made with plain ICH9 |
| 03:31.49 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm getting the same I/O starvation on the ICH9 AHCI, but it doesn't seem noticeably worse than on the JMicron AHCI |
| 03:32.03 | Wyzard | crweb: I'll try with the ICH9 in legacy mode using ata_piix |
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| 03:32.51 | crweb | dang it. I just looking at kerneltrap and other peoples say "SATA AHCI interface", and mine says "SATA IDE Interface" |
| 03:33.12 | crweb | s/interface/controller |
| 03:33.26 | Wyzard | btw, I'm testing by assigning a hotkey to open a gnome-terminal, and pressing the hotkey repeatedly, about twice per second, to open lots of terminals |
| 03:33.41 | crweb | yeah, mine wouldn't survive that |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | only twice per second ? |
| 03:33.48 | crweb | i can't even open the gnome menu once |
| 03:34.02 | Wyzard | It's smooth and instantaneous when there's no I/O going on, but when I'm doing the bulk copy, periodically (every few seconds) there'll be a delay of a second or two in opening one of the terminals, and/or it'll take a second to draw itself properly after the window appears |
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| 03:35.43 | zx | what's the package for connect to windowxxp remotely? |
| 03:35.47 | zx | name of the pack |
| 03:35.50 | Wyzard | zx: rdesktop |
| 03:35.54 | zx | thanx |
| 03:36.12 | Wyzard | zx: with GUI frontends such as tsclient (rdesktop itself is launched from the command line) |
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| 03:36.49 | crweb | Wyzard: i think i might go to an older kernel. I don't seem to remember this problem on <2.6.20 |
| 03:38.04 | Wyzard | hmm, I'm unable to boot the test system (Ubuntu 8.10) when I have the ICH9 in IDE mode |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | Now that I think of it, I've had the same thing happen with Debian on my ICH8 |
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| 03:38.39 | Wyzard | I shrugged it off since I didn't want to use the IDE mode anyway, but I have no idea why it works for you but not for me, on two different systems of mine |
| 03:39.05 | Wyzard | looks like I can't do the I/O test in IDE mode, unfortunately |
| 03:39.10 | crweb | bummer |
| 03:39.19 | crweb | maybe a older version |
| 03:39.27 | Wyzard | I'm going to switch back to AHCI and reinstall the test system using reiserfs instead of ext3, to see if that makes a difference |
| 03:39.35 | crweb | nice |
| 03:39.35 | zx | shxt.... failed to connect with rdekstop |
| 03:39.49 | crweb | i'm going to probably start testing fs's and stuff to |
| 03:39.54 | crweb | its getting to a point where I can't work |
| 03:40.23 | Wyzard | It's not really an impediment to me in general |
| 03:40.37 | crweb | maybe I'll finaly do a real raid setup |
| 03:40.39 | Wyzard | but a big inconvenience when I do certain things, like creating a new VMware virtual machine with a preallocated disk |
| 03:40.44 | crweb | get a card and 3 drives |
| 03:41.15 | crweb | could be cheaper to buy a new MB though lol |
| 03:41.17 | Wyzard | I'm actually thinking about getting another drive and converting my 3-disk RAID-5 to a 4-disk RAID-10 |
| 03:41.38 | Wyzard | after reading some of the entries on http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/0804apr.html |
| 03:41.40 | crweb | is that going to help the read/write speeds even more? |
| 03:41.45 | Wyzard | dunno |
| 03:41.51 | Wyzard | Theoretically yes |
| 03:41.58 | Gun_Smoke | usenet fans... favorite client? |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | read should go faster .. writing is "iffy" |
| 03:42.06 | crweb | Gun_Smoke: pan2 |
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| 03:42.11 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: pan |
| 03:42.14 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: It's been a few years since I used usenet, but I remember pan being nice |
| 03:42.18 | abrotman | pan .. pan2 .. whatever |
| 03:42.30 | Gun_Smoke | I'm using pan now. |
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| 03:42.43 | abrotman | thunderbird is an alternative ... but pan is probably better |
| 03:42.47 | Vasistha | Gun_Smoke: me too. it pisses me off, but not nearly as much as others I've tried. |
| 03:42.49 | crweb | its pretty much the best i've ever seen |
| 03:42.56 | abrotman | erm .. s/thunderbird/icedove/ |
| 03:43.00 | crweb | ALL others are horrid |
| 03:43.19 | Gun_Smoke | That's what I'm hearing.. Not that great, but best we have.. |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: accept that usenet/nntp is a dying medium |
| 03:43.39 | crweb | Gun_Smoke: i dunno how windows people use usenet without pan |
| 03:43.51 | sauvin | Some folks like klibido. |
| 03:44.40 | Vasistha | crweb: I think there are probably a lot of windows options that we foss folks just don't have a clue about. In fact pan may have been modeled after a windows program of olde |
| 03:44.52 | zx | windows people using Outlook |
| 03:44.55 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 03:45.09 | erpo | crweb: Windows people use Newsbin. |
| 03:45.11 | sauvin | pan looks and acts somewhat like FreeAgent. |
| 03:45.18 | zx | i use icedove |
| 03:45.26 | zx | coz gnus never worked for me |
| 03:45.26 | abrotman | does freeagent still exist? |
| 03:45.31 | zx | despite i am an emacs guy |
| 03:45.41 | sauvin | Don't know; I've not used Windows at home in years. |
| 03:45.43 | Wyzard | I was about to say I remember reading that pan's UI was based on some Windows program but couldn't remember the name |
| 03:45.45 | Wyzard | FreeAgent was it |
| 03:45.47 | zx | and using gnus is very awkward |
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| 03:47.08 | zx | usenet is used extensively at my university |
| 03:47.40 | abrotman | yeah .. and at my uni .. gopher was popular |
| 03:47.51 | abrotman | grumbles about being old |
| 03:47.55 | Wyzard | crweb, enouf: Out of curiosity I set my ICH9 to "RAID" mode, and it shows up in lspci as an "Intel Corporation 82801 SATA RAID Controller", mentioning neither IDE nor AHCI, but it apparently uses the ahci driver |
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| 03:49.28 | enouf | Wyzard: right, makes sense, i've seen people with those OEM boards say when they enabled RAID mode, they saw start up messages mentioning "Using / Enabling AHCI" or similar |
| 03:49.37 | zx | really? how was gopher popular? |
| 03:49.45 | zx | even non-science student uses it as well? |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | i think so .. obviously i socialized mostly with cs/cis people .. but they used gopher quite a bit |
| 03:50.24 | abrotman | maybe not so obviously |
| 03:50.28 | crweb | Wyzard: i think raid mode has to use ahci on sata ? |
| 03:50.50 | enouf | Wyzard: and crweb my last mention as an aside, concerning Sil 4723 + Intel ICHx ... though most of the boards i find reviewed are using ICH7 .. but still , interesting info; http://www.sci-worx.com/docs/DOC-002000-451_SteelVineCompatibility_REV_10.pdf |
| 03:51.08 | abrotman | zx: but afaik .. lots of people used it .. it was a pretty common way to get freeware/shareware stuff at the time |
| 03:51.20 | Wyzard | crweb: It's fakeraid, so it's really implemented in the driver, which has to see the disk through some ordinary interface, such as AHCI or the legacy IDE mode |
| 03:51.40 | Wyzard | crweb: Intel's apparently uses AHCI for that, but really it could be anything |
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| 03:52.28 | Wyzard | crweb: You could make a SATA fakeraid controller that provides some other interface, like that of a Silicon Image controller supported by the sata_sil driver, for example |
| 03:52.37 | crweb | Wyzard: i see |
| 03:52.38 | enouf | Wyzard: want to see a real odd quirk? (totally diff controller - Marvell) but check out this; http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=cd70c26617f4686355263be4533ce8030242740e |
| 03:53.41 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 03:54.18 | Wyzard | That seems to imply that the Linux support for NCQ depends on using MSI |
| 03:54.22 | abrotman | ahci-like .. cute |
| 03:55.30 | Wyzard | I don't see why that would be, but I don't really know much about how NCQ is actually implemented |
| 03:56.28 | enouf | it seems every chip vendor has their own idea about "how" they're going to implement a "standard" .. bwahahaha |
| 03:56.49 | abrotman | news at 11 |
| 03:57.17 | sauvin | What 'standard'? |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | hence the evil laugh |
| 03:57.54 | sauvin | What's a 'standard'? |
| 03:58.20 | sauvin | goes sour |
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| 03:59.03 | Wyzard | sauvin: Isn't that the flag-like thing that military commanders would carry around on the battlefield in the days of yore so that the soldiers could see where their leader was? :-P |
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| 03:59.28 | Wyzard | sauvin: I wonder why I'd want one of those in my computer |
| 03:59.51 | abrotman | a soldier? |
| 04:00.00 | Wyzard | a standard |
| 04:00.12 | Wyzard | big wood and cloth thing... has no place in a computer |
| 04:00.23 | Wyzard | (or maybe I'm mixing up my terms and that's not what those were called) |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | don't be silly ... standards are for people that want things to work without hassle |
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| 04:01.10 | beardy | Many people want that, that's why there are so many standards, one for everyone. |
| 04:01.34 | abrotman | mine involves toilet paper |
| 04:01.35 | sauvin | His 'standard' is a flag-like thing. |
| 04:02.02 | beardy | Whatever works for him without hassle. He's right too. |
| 04:02.13 | beardy | Not silly. |
| 04:02.20 | sauvin | doesn't buy his screws from standard, he uses acme instead. What's good enough for the wily coyote, you know... |
| 04:02.34 | Guerin | beardy: you sound like one o' those libruls who think everyone's opinion is valid and reasonable |
| 04:02.41 | beardy | Unstandard screws cost extra. |
| 04:02.56 | beardy | Guerin: Everyones except yours. |
| 04:03.08 | Guerin | screw you too, hippie! |
| 04:03.08 | sauvin | Well, see, in the US, the standard screw is English, not metric. |
| 04:03.11 | msshams | in a bash script, how can i know that a web page couldn't load? |
| 04:03.14 | enouf | sauvin: just to clarify for you, ahci is supposed to be a 'free and open standard' (or someshit) |
| 04:03.28 | beardy | sauvin: Head included? |
| 04:03.35 | beardy | !standard |
| 04:03.35 | dpkg | i guess standard is when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. |
| 04:03.38 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 04:03.54 | Guerin | eh |
| 04:04.01 | Guerin | that's a good definition |
| 04:04.06 | enouf | msshams: what a web page couldn't load? |
| 04:04.07 | beardy | Yes. |
| 04:04.09 | sauvin | That reminds me about the old joke about MS adopting darkness as the standard |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | dpkg, standard is see also wifi |
| 04:04.12 | dpkg | ...but standard is already something else... |
| 04:04.21 | Guerin | dpkg, standard is also see wifi |
| 04:04.21 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:04.33 | abrotman | heheh |
| 04:04.49 | enouf | Guerin: haha @ the wifi crack |
| 04:05.07 | Guerin | it makes more sense in the context of ... |
| 04:05.08 | Guerin | !wifi |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah. |
| 04:05.10 | beardy | There is another one. |
| 04:05.58 | beardy | !standards |
| 04:05.58 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 04:06.07 | beardy | Long time no see. |
| 04:06.07 | enouf | that too :-P |
| 04:06.08 | msshams | enouf: i want every time my web server is down, my bash script restart it automatically. |
| 04:06.17 | abrotman | !cookie beardy |
| 04:06.19 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... |
| 04:06.28 | Guerin | msshams: sounds like a recipe for pain to me |
| 04:06.31 | Vasistha | what did he find WHAT DID HE FIND ??? |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | nothing |
| 04:06.39 | Wyzard | msshams: Rather than trying to load a page, why not just check whether the apache process is running? |
| 04:06.40 | Vasistha | damn it |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | it means "beardy" isn't in any factoids |
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| 04:07.14 | beardy | Phew. |
| 04:07.15 | abrotman | like |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 04:07.21 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... syrp... a high viscosity substance abrotman needs with WAFL and RAID6 |
| 04:07.30 | enouf | dpkg standard =~ s/see wifi/See <wifi>/ |
| 04:07.31 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 04:07.32 | abrotman | damn it .. don't ask |
| 04:07.40 | Guerin | syrp, mah fayvurt |
| 04:07.48 | abrotman | blames Bushmills |
| 04:08.13 | beardy | So is a libral the same as hippie now? |
| 04:08.19 | Guerin | beardy: always was |
| 04:08.20 | msshams | Wyzard: it's possible that apache process is running but, it has a problem in apache.conf. so i must restore back up then restart. |
| 04:08.37 | Guerin | beardy: see also `terrrrist' |
| 04:08.37 | enouf | msshams: hrm .. i guess you need a cron to check whether or not it's up/down and if down a script to restart it? |
| 04:08.46 | Guerin | no |
| 04:08.53 | Guerin | \you need something to find out why it's down |
| 04:09.00 | Guerin | if it's down, it's down for a reason |
| 04:09.10 | beardy | I don't have long hair. On my head. |
| 04:09.12 | Guerin | apache doesn't just randomly die |
| 04:09.18 | msshams | enouf: yes |
| 04:09.30 | msshams | enouf: do you any idea for this script? |
| 04:09.39 | beardy | pgrep is great |
| 04:09.41 | msshams | enouf: i dont know how can i write it |
| 04:09.53 | beardy | So are logs. |
| 04:10.07 | Guerin | !abs guide |
| 04:10.07 | dpkg | hmm... abs guide is The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 04:10.16 | beardy | !absg Guerin |
| 04:10.17 | dpkg | Guerin: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 04:10.26 | beardy | !win me |
| 04:10.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, beardy! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 04:10.39 | abrotman | !prise beardy |
| 04:10.39 | dpkg | forcibly removes beardy from beardy's keyboard |
| 04:10.46 | beardy | :( |
| 04:10.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:10.56 | Guerin | dpkg, no, abs guide is <reply> For rock-hard abs, you need our patented formula of Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 04:10.56 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:11.09 | enouf | msshams: not offhand - but reading docs and testing .. and maybe ask for help when you stumble in #bash and ##linux |
| 04:11.25 | beardy | aptitude mofo, do you run it!! |
| 04:11.27 | Wyzard | msshams: You could use curl with "-I" option (to avoid actually downloading a file) and redirect to /dev/null, and check its exit status (it'll be nonzero if something failed) |
| 04:11.48 | beardy | (Touché.. but I wrote it long time ago..) |
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| 04:13.04 | enouf | msshams: another good source http://wooledge.org:8000/EnglishFrontPage |
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| 04:13.15 | abrotman | !bashfaq |
| 04:13.15 | dpkg | methinks bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 04:13.19 | abrotman | no? |
| 04:13.21 | enouf | ahh |
| 04:13.25 | Guerin | ah, greycat, how we miss yous |
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| 04:13.37 | enouf | didn't know which factoid, if any |
| 04:14.10 | beardy | dpkg: cmd: absg (.*?) =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 04:14.10 | dpkg | OK, beardy |
| 04:15.12 | Guerin | beardy: you're just trying to outdo me! |
| 04:15.21 | beardy | grins |
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| 04:15.36 | Vladdie_ | Hi everybody |
| 04:15.37 | beardy | Better out than in? |
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| 04:15.38 | Vladdie_ | I could answer that but I don't want to |
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| 04:16.05 | Vladdie_ | Hi everybody |
| 04:16.26 | beardy | Everyone greets you welcome. |
| 04:16.26 | Vladdie_ | Did you? |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | Vladdie_: go away |
| 04:16.43 | Vladdie_ | Oh, please, don't shut |
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| 04:16.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.25.63.38] by abrotman |
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| 04:17.03 | Guerin | WTF |
| 04:17.07 | abrotman | it was a bot |
| 04:17.11 | beardy | Oh. |
| 04:17.12 | Guerin | since when did abrotman get ops on hashdweebian? |
| 04:17.21 | abrotman | Guerin: uh .. months ago |
| 04:17.28 | Guerin | shows how much attention I pay |
| 04:17.33 | beardy | Yep. |
| 04:17.34 | abrotman | you've been breeding |
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| 04:17.40 | Guerin | i have been |
| 04:17.47 | beardy | Oh yes, hows that going? |
| 04:17.48 | Guerin | bloody long process, though |
| 04:17.56 | Guerin | it's grand |
| 04:18.10 | Guerin | i have a designated driver, guaranteed for at least the next 24 months |
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| 04:18.13 | sauvin | Ain't supposed to be BLOODY; if it is, you're not doing it right! |
| 04:18.22 | Guerin | well, not YET |
| 04:18.30 | Guerin | (for the bloody anyhow) |
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| 04:19.11 | abrotman | waves |
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| 04:19.25 | Guerin | g'night |
| 04:19.31 | Vasistha | g'night abrotman |
| 04:19.40 | erpo | Night. |
| 04:20.27 | owen1 | new debian installation. everything in terminal under X looks blurry, as if the text rotates..any idea? |
| 04:20.50 | beardy | What's your timezone and intoxination level? |
| 04:20.52 | Guerin | which terminal, in which environment? And on what display device? |
| 04:20.56 | Wyzard | owen1: What about things other than text? |
| 04:20.57 | erpo | lol |
| 04:21.40 | beardy | owen1: What Guerin said.. and also which driver for X, and maybe not an optimal resolution? |
| 04:21.42 | owen1 | beardy: Wyzard: firefox is ok. i use uxterm but tried others. it's the same in all of them. |
| 04:22.07 | erpo | owen1: Will it show up in a screenshot? |
| 04:22.14 | owen1 | beardy: Wyzard how do i know te driver for X? |
| 04:22.41 | owen1 | erpo: are u asking if i can take a screenshot? |
| 04:22.54 | beardy | !scrot |
| 04:23.06 | erpo | owen1: Of the display artifacts. Yes. |
| 04:23.12 | beardy | Ok then.. that takes screenshots anyway, packagename. |
| 04:23.31 | Vasistha | owen1: is it only the terminal that looks blurry? Text in other apps looks sharp? |
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| 04:23.54 | owen1 | Vasistha: i only try firefox and the text is ok. |
| 04:24.24 | owen1 | beardy: erpo: how do i take a screenshot? i don't use kde/gnome. |
| 04:24.56 | beardy | owen1: Install 'scrot', as I blurrily said, and run 'scrot' in that terminal. |
| 04:25.16 | owen1 | beardy: ok |
| 04:26.19 | owen1 | beardy: erpo : u might not be able to see it in a screenshot since it's kind of moving text but i'll try. |
| 04:27.51 | enouf | kaleidescope? |
| 04:28.03 | beardy | owen1: To see which driver you use, if you haven't configured it, not sure if it asks for it when reconfiguring X nowadays, check the logs. /var/log/X<tabcomplete>, but it might be using vesa, and your card doesn't do very well with it. |
| 04:28.48 | enouf | owen1: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ignore the kbd and mouse drivers ;-) |
| 04:28.54 | beardy | If the font is small, in that terminal, it can very well look blurry. |
| 04:31.08 | Wyzard | crweb: Performance seems better on reiserfs... I don't get the big latency hiccups |
| 04:32.37 | Wyzard | crweb: I'm going to install VMware on the test system and try creating a virtual machine with a big preallocated disk, since that's a sure-fire real-world way to kill performance on my "real" system |
| 04:32.56 | owen1 | enouf: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so |
| 04:33.09 | owen1 | enouf: i think i have nvidia |
| 04:33.20 | enouf | owen1: yes |
| 04:33.25 | enouf | that's good |
| 04:33.37 | Wyzard | owen1: nv_drv is the free 2D-only driver |
| 04:33.48 | enouf | although usually there's // in that path |
| 04:33.55 | enouf | maybe you typed it out |
| 04:33.57 | Wyzard | The closed-source one from nVidia is nvidia_drv.so |
| 04:33.57 | owen1 | i am trying to upload the snapshot. |
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| 04:34.48 | enouf | Wyzard: the 3D driver also inserts a kernel module into lsmod output, 'nvidia' , yes? |
| 04:34.55 | Wyzard | correct |
| 04:35.06 | owen1 | Wyzard: enouf: what all this means to me? |
| 04:35.23 | enouf | owen1: it means it's likely not an X driver issue |
| 04:36.24 | owen1 | enouf: ok. uploading to flickr, unless there is a better site. |
| 04:36.25 | enouf | owen1: as, most video cards can also use vesafb, etc, which aren't specific to any manu , such as nvidia, or ati, or intel, or via, etc |
| 04:36.36 | enouf | hrm, picpaste? |
| 04:37.43 | owen1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreng/2599792082/sizes/o/ |
| 04:39.15 | owen1 | can u see the blurry? |
| 04:39.39 | Wyzard | owen1: Nope, it looks fine in the screenshot |
| 04:39.48 | Wyzard | which means the problem is something between your framebuffer and monitor |
| 04:39.53 | Wyzard | wrong resolution maybe |
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| 04:40.47 | owen1 | Wyzard: ok. what steps should i follow? |
| 04:40.47 | enouf | yeah, looks ok, from here |
| 04:40.48 | Vasistha | owen1: are you referring just to the bold text, or to all of the text in the entire window? |
| 04:41.08 | owen1 | Vasistha: all of it. |
| 04:41.34 | owen1 | Vasistha: it my machine it all looks blurry, rotating. |
| 04:41.42 | Vasistha | good luck :) and g'night |
| 04:41.49 | Wyzard | crweb: I get I/O starvation from the VMware test, even on reiserfs, though it isn't too bad |
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| 04:43.26 | Wyzard | crweb: Actually, I take that back: the test of opening lots of terminals isn't too bad, but I launched Firefox right when VMware started writing the 8GB file, and it didn't actually appear until just after VMware finished (two or three minutes later) |
| 04:43.32 | enouf | Wyzard: i never ran vmware, but doesn't always make one's chipset (entire lspci output) appear as a much lower and older version of chipset? like, your new intel ich9 might appear as only ich2 or 3 or even older? (if this doesn't make sense, ignore it) |
| 04:43.44 | crweb | Wyzard: that is a unrelated issue |
| 04:43.45 | enouf | doesn't it* |
| 04:44.01 | crweb | enouf: it fakes drivers |
| 04:44.17 | Wyzard | crweb: well, it comes up in a few seconds when there's no other I/O going on |
| 04:44.24 | crweb | enouf: the vm's driver is just a layer that connects it to the kernel. it just uses the same driver api |
| 04:44.36 | owen1 | it's funny since only the text appear blurry even it the picture. but everything else in firefox looks ok. |
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| 04:44.47 | crweb | Wyzard: yeah, its cause firefox 3 started using sqlite for the new history while type url feature |
| 04:44.53 | Wyzard | enouf: I'm not running anything *in* vmware... just creating a virtual machine with a preallocated disk, which involves writing a (by default) 8GB file full of zeros |
| 04:44.58 | enouf | hrm , well we know it has no DMA access, especially for 3D, right? |
| 04:45.03 | crweb | Wyzard: if you don't have good enough i/o it kills ff3 |
| 04:45.07 | crweb | enouf: right |
| 04:45.30 | crweb | enouf: its just a fake layer that connects it to your host kernel. It implements the native os's common hardware virtually |
| 04:45.35 | Wyzard | enouf: The next step would be to turn it on and install an OS in it, but I'm just interested in the I/O load from writing out the disk file |
| 04:45.50 | crweb | enouf: they chose ICH2 or 3 because all OS's have basic drivers for it |
| 04:46.16 | crweb | enouf: it doesn't actually have ICH2/3 performance |
| 04:46.31 | owen1 | any clue guys? it's ruining my eyes.. |
| 04:46.47 | Wyzard | and when you install VMware Tools it replaces some drivers (video, network, disk) with native VMware drivers |
| 04:47.04 | Wyzard | so it doesn't have to emulate a real hardware interface anymore, for better performance |
| 04:47.07 | crweb | owen1: try hitting the auto adjust button onyour monitor |
| 04:47.34 | owen1 | crweb: didn't help.. |
| 04:47.40 | crweb | dell lcd's will seam clear in some places and fuzzy in others |
| 04:47.52 | crweb | unless you hit auto detect on the actual monitor |
| 04:48.01 | crweb | usually this means the refresh rates are wrong |
| 04:48.17 | crweb | did you choose the right monitor when you set it up? or is it auto detecting? |
| 04:48.18 | Wyzard | If it's an LCD, you should really be using DVI |
| 04:48.19 | owen1 | crweb: how do i change the refresh rate? |
| 04:48.28 | owen1 | crweb: auto |
| 04:48.29 | Wyzard | is using a Dell LCD and has no blurriness anywhere |
| 04:48.36 | enouf | owen1: well, firefox comes with all/some of it;s own fonts? and settings and cache for those? and it also has an anti-aliasing filter within? not sure, i don;t use it |
| 04:48.40 | crweb | Wyzard: the first LCD's didn't have dvi |
| 04:48.44 | owen1 | it's regular dell monitor |
| 04:49.21 | Wyzard | crweb: true... the gaming machine (with the ICH9 that I'm testing on) has an old 1280x1024 KDS LCD that's VGA-only |
| 04:49.22 | enouf | regular? CRT or LCD? |
| 04:49.23 | owen1 | enouf: i know. firepoop is too bloated. link2 on the other hand... |
| 04:49.27 | htmlol | enouf: just regular. |
| 04:49.37 | enouf | htmlol: i like mine over easy :-P |
| 04:49.38 | htmlol | owen1: you mean links2. :D |
| 04:49.47 | crweb | owen1: what is regular ? |
| 04:49.49 | enouf | yes, owen1 does |
| 04:49.51 | owen1 | enouf: i think crt.. |
| 04:49.58 | owen1 | enouf: wait. |
| 04:50.03 | enouf | owen1: is it HUGE and HEAVY and DEEP ? |
| 04:50.08 | htmlol | mmmmmm YESS |
| 04:50.12 | htmlol | that's what SHE said |
| 04:50.13 | owen1 | enouf: no |
| 04:50.16 | enouf | and has ~ 8 pounds of Lead? |
| 04:50.21 | htmlol | that's what SHE said |
| 04:50.31 | enouf | erm, bot? |
| 04:50.58 | owen1 | enouf: when i hit the monitore button, it say: resolution: 75hz. optimum 60hz. |
| 04:51.08 | crweb | owen1: thats why :) |
| 04:51.14 | enouf | owen1: well, ... |
| 04:51.24 | owen1 | crweb: how do i change it? xorg? |
| 04:51.30 | htmlol | xorg.conf |
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| 04:51.39 | enouf | if it's an LCD, you want to use Nativem, even though there is no such thing as Refresh Rates with TFTs/LCDs |
| 04:51.42 | htmlol | /etc/X11/xorg.conf, specifically. |
| 04:51.50 | crweb | owen1: you need to get your model # and tell it to us |
| 04:51.52 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 04:51.52 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 04:51.52 | enouf | erm s/Native/Optimum |
| 04:51.56 | Guerin | don't edit the file directl;y |
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| 04:52.15 | owen1 | 1503FP |
| 04:52.16 | htmlol | oh wow I didn't even know I was in this channel. wow. |
| 04:52.23 | Guerin | wow |
| 04:52.31 | crweb | owen1: FP means FlatPanel. (LCD) |
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| 04:52.43 | htmlol | heh sorry for being so stupid. thought I was in my stupid channel. hehe |
| 04:53.09 | enouf | when i switch my NEC LCD multisync from 60 to 75Hz it doesn't make any difference, AFAICT - but this is the VGA port, not the DVI one, plus my video card is an old 32MB AGP 2x only |
| 04:53.12 | owen1 | should i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:53.19 | crweb | owen1: you can try yes |
| 04:53.38 | enouf | !confuse htmlol |
| 04:53.38 | dpkg | No, them are my pineapple tomorrow, htmlol? trousers of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 04:53.42 | htmlol | yes is, without doubt, my favorite linux command. |
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| 04:54.10 | crweb | owen1: your information should be: HorizSync 31-60, VertRefresh 60 |
| 04:54.18 | starz | hey whats the module for a 7xxx 3ware raid card? |
| 04:54.26 | enouf | (i mention the card, b/c it doesn't have dvi output abilities :-P) |
| 04:54.30 | owen1 | crweb: cool |
| 04:54.33 | htmlol | dpkg: Excellent! So I'll salamander the babble fishmonger! Sharecroppers in a doozy, feel up large portobello?? |
| 04:54.34 | dpkg | htmlol: You are moron #4 |
| 04:54.35 | starz | plz? |
| 04:54.40 | Guerin | !plz |
| 04:54.41 | dpkg | plz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
| 04:54.43 | crweb | owen1: if that doesnt' work VertRefresh 60-75 |
| 04:54.59 | starz | plz 90028 |
| 04:55.09 | htmlol | !lol |
| 04:55.10 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:55.16 | starz | comeon Guerin take pity on me here |
| 04:55.19 | enouf | starz: you can always grep the kernel config and see the source, etc . but i'll look too |
| 04:55.27 | Guerin | starz: /msg dpkg htfswk |
| 04:55.30 | starz | enouf, thanx i've been googling |
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| 04:55.47 | starz | lmfao |
| 04:55.53 | Guerin | :) |
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| 04:56.21 | enouf | config BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID |
| 04:56.41 | enouf | Please read the comments at the top of |
| 04:56.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.46 | Wyzard | starz: There's a "3w-9xxx" and a "3w-xxxx" driver |
| 04:57.05 | Wyzard | starz: I would guess that 3w-xxxx is appropriate for any supported 3ware card that isn't a 9xxx |
| 04:57.56 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/scsi/3w-xxxx.c <-- plugin your kernel version |
| 04:59.28 | weez__ | can someone tell me if a dar archive was made as an incremental with a differing basename from the base incremental, does it figure out all the files it needs auotmatically? |
| 04:59.33 | enouf | looks like it waould start with "tw" |
| 05:00.01 | enouf | although, i recall seeing 3ware drivers in debian-unofficial repos, .. hrm |
| 05:00.25 | starz | Wyzard, THATS it thanx! |
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| 05:00.42 | owen1 | what color depth should i choose? 24? |
| 05:00.56 | enouf | uh .. duh ;-) |
| 05:01.02 | Wyzard | crweb: OK, I rebooted the test system, logged in, and launched gimp... it took about 3 seconds, from clicking the icon to the main toolbox window appearing |
| 05:01.05 | enouf | ~$ modprobe -l | grep 3w |
| 05:01.06 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/3w-xxxx.ko |
| 05:01.28 | Wyzard | crweb: then I rebooted again, logged in, started VMware writing out a new 8GB virtual-disk file, and launched gimp again... this time it took 30 seconds |
| 05:01.42 | enouf | haha .. from my url; .name = "3w-xxxx", |
| 05:01.54 | owen1 | do i neet to restart X after configuring it? |
| 05:02.06 | crweb | owen1: yes |
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| 05:02.19 | owen1 | crweb: ok. i'll be back after restart. |
| 05:02.40 | owen1 | (unless there is a magical way to keep irssi alive) |
| 05:02.48 | crweb | there is not |
| 05:02.52 | enouf | start irssi in a console |
| 05:03.00 | crweb | in a screen session |
| 05:03.00 | enouf | erm tty |
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| 05:03.23 | enouf | owen1: restart your DM if using one |
| 05:03.44 | owen1 | enouf: i use wm (dwm) |
| 05:03.44 | hoxu | http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys#head-860f44b5b39b7db798a5f48162f2f253ad68d650 - any way to check encfs key vulnerability yet? |
| 05:03.52 | enouf | the old backup, ctrl-alt-backspace can cause issues |
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| 05:04.01 | Wyzard | crweb: This is with basically all the processor time (one or both cores of a Core 2 Duo E8400, 3GHz) maxed out in "iowait" state... but pretty much no "real" CPU usage |
| 05:04.03 | Guerin | it can? |
| 05:04.04 | crweb | yeah, you have to restart the login manager |
| 05:04.07 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:04.08 | enouf | owen1: i meant login desktop manager |
| 05:04.10 | Guerin | i don't use a dm |
| 05:04.20 | enouf | !dm |
| 05:04.20 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. |
| 05:04.26 | crweb | Wyzard: yep. same here |
| 05:04.30 | enouf | erm Display manager - whatever |
| 05:04.32 | Guerin | dm is also Dungeon Master |
| 05:04.37 | Guerin | dpkg, dm is also Dungeon Master |
| 05:04.37 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:04.45 | owen1 | enouf: don't use it. i type startx. |
| 05:04.45 | hoxu | Guerin, bleh :p |
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| 05:04.49 | defrysk | deutche mark |
| 05:04.54 | Wyzard | crweb: From what I've read about it, theoretically iowait shouldn't slow anything down (as far as I can tell it's just CPU idle time while there happens to be an I/O operation pending) but in practice it seems to cause a big performance hit |
| 05:05.02 | Guerin | dpkg: too serious |
| 05:05.02 | dpkg | Guerin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:05.07 | enouf | owen1: well, that's as easy as closing out X and restarting it |
| 05:05.09 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:05.17 | enouf | owen1: but you can have irssi in another tty |
| 05:05.24 | Wyzard | crweb: I'll move the drive over to the JMicron controller and repeat the VMware test, but based on what I saw earlier with the gnome-terminal test, I don't expect it to make a difference |
| 05:05.33 | owen1 | so if i start irssi from terminal (before running x) i can keep it alive? |
| 05:05.47 | owen1 | !tty |
| 05:05.47 | dpkg | well, tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 05:06.00 | crweb | owen1: if you want irssi in x, start a terminal then type screen, then start irssi |
| 05:06.10 | crweb | owen1: when you restart x, open terminal, type screen -r |
| 05:06.22 | hoxu | !tell owen1 about screen+irssi |
| 05:06.35 | enouf | owen1: you have 7 ttys or more to play with |
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| 05:13.21 | terr_ | !ping |
| 05:13.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:13.38 | owen1 | thanks guys. my framerate issue is resolved. i am officialy leaving staten island. |
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| 05:14.05 | noritr | is that all it took ? just fixing your framerate? |
| 05:14.29 | mimcpher | HI uweng |
| 05:14.45 | mimcpher | oops totally wrong challen. |
| 05:14.47 | mimcpher | channel. |
| 05:15.03 | mimcpher | I happen to be drunk. I apologize for the spam. |
| 05:15.11 | owen1 | noritr: yes. i started with 10gb partition. liked it and wiped out the hard drive. |
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| 05:21.02 | Wyzard | crweb: Exactly the same result on the JMicron controller: 3 seconds to start gimp without I/O load, 30 seconds with load |
| 05:21.26 | Wyzard | crweb: I also tried disabling the nVidia driver, since you'd suggested earlier that it might be the culprit, but it didn't make a differnce |
| 05:22.15 | Wyzard | crweb: So far I've found that using reiserfs instead of ext3 seemed to help a little, but nothing that really "solves" the problem |
| 05:22.30 | crweb | Wyzard: that seems to be the ubuntu kernel teams answer for all issues |
| 05:22.43 | Wyzard | not surprising |
| 05:23.03 | Wyzard | I'm going to try some different distros (Fedora/CentOS) with different kernel builds/patches to see if those are any different |
| 05:23.22 | crweb | i am as well. busy backing stuff up right now |
| 05:24.37 | owen1 | wow. i just used screen. this is intersting. |
| 05:24.58 | crweb | owen1: you can exit by pressing ctrl-a then d |
| 05:25.04 | crweb | owen1: and resume with screen -r |
| 05:25.15 | owen1 | crweb: i just did that. |
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| 05:25.30 | owen1 | crweb: so if i close x, irssi will still be running? |
| 05:25.35 | crweb | yes |
| 05:25.43 | crweb | if you started it in screen |
| 05:25.57 | owen1 | let me try talking to you with no x. |
| 05:26.45 | owen1 | wow. got rid of X and i am still here! |
| 05:28.07 | owen1 | what other scenarios people are using screen? |
| 05:28.14 | crweb | i use it for rtorrent |
| 05:28.56 | owen1 | crweb: u connect to a server with ssh, start the rtorrent and later on connect again? |
| 05:29.07 | crweb | yeah |
| 05:29.08 | enouf | owen1: work session, detach , go home, attach |
| 05:29.13 | terr_ | anyone here? I want to do a 5 second test |
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| 05:29.48 | owen1 | enouf: nice. |
| 05:30.16 | owen1 | now, what are the tty mean? it's like tabs for terminal, but no X? |
| 05:30.17 | terr_ | enouf: that sounds interesting? |
| 05:30.25 | terr_ | via x? |
| 05:30.32 | crweb | owen1: press alt-F1, alt-f2, alt-f3 |
| 05:30.33 | enouf | i should say 'reattach', also see dtach.sf.net |
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| 05:30.47 | crweb | owen1: those are tty's |
| 05:30.56 | hoxu | ctrl-alt-F[1-7]... |
| 05:31.04 | crweb | you only need the ctrl if you are in X |
| 05:31.07 | hoxu | in X you need to press ctrl-alt instead of alt |
| 05:31.35 | hoxu | owen1, X usually runs in tty7 |
| 05:32.11 | enouf | yes |
| 05:32.28 | WormFood | mine runs in tty9 |
| 05:32.43 | enouf | oh, why did i think i saw a ? there .. dang |
| 05:33.04 | enouf | you can make it run in any tty |
| 05:33.06 | hoxu | enouf, :P |
| 05:33.17 | enouf | or many ;-0 |
| 05:33.17 | owen1 | crweb: so it's like workspaces when u are not running x? |
| 05:34.12 | owen1 | i went to alt+f3, started X. when i hit alt+crtl+f2 X was closed. |
| 05:34.42 | owen1 | so i guess u can't run x in one and come back to non-x in the other. |
| 05:34.43 | hoxu | owen1, it's not closed, you can switch back to it |
| 05:34.44 | crweb | owen1: it didn't close |
| 05:34.56 | crweb | owen1: its on alt-f7 |
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| 05:35.17 | terr_ | !ping |
| 05:35.17 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:35.30 | terr_ | Can someone help be with a 5 second test? |
| 05:35.49 | WormFood | your 5 seconds are up |
| 05:36.00 | terr_ | WormFood: did you offer b4? |
| 05:36.04 | simonrvn | 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 |
| 05:36.06 | terr_ | ok then 10 |
| 05:36.06 | WormFood | in fact, we gave you twice as much time |
| 05:36.10 | terr_ | lol |
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| 05:36.13 | owen1 | crweb: mm..interesting |
| 05:36.33 | WormFood | maybe I did offer before. I do try to help when I can |
| 05:37.00 | terr_ | I'm trying to join #physics. I'd like someone to pop over there and send me a note and I'll do same and then pop back here and confer to see if we got each other's notes. I can't tell if I'm actually connecting |
| 05:37.54 | WormFood | how does that relate to debian/Linux? |
| 05:38.12 | terr_ | WormFood: doesn't - just lots of helpful ppl here |
| 05:38.39 | hoxu | uh... sunday allright |
| 05:38.49 | hoxu | sunny sunday |
| 05:38.51 | enouf | owen1: compare ps aux | grep tty with ps aux | grep pts (the ttys are your consoles(gettys, etc), the pts are xterms) .. see /etc/inittab |
| 05:39.00 | hoxu | thunderstorms brewing for the afternoon |
| 05:39.07 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 05:39.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 05:39.16 | owen1 | startx |
| 05:39.21 | owen1 | oops.. |
| 05:39.27 | terr_ | hoxu - where are you located? |
| 05:39.41 | hoxu | terr_, firmly on a chair |
| 05:39.59 | hoxu | owen1, use alt-left/right arrow keys to find your X if you lose it :P |
| 05:40.01 | terr_ | hoxu: I hope its not electric then |
| 05:40.11 | enouf | owen1: Xserver though, by default takes tty7 (you) |
| 05:40.30 | enouf | owen1: Xserver though, by default takes tty7 (you'll see vt7 in ps aux in the X line) |
| 05:40.59 | owen1 | screen image is written to hardcopy.0 what does it mean? |
| 05:41.25 | owen1 | (i try to detach screen) |
| 05:41.29 | hoxu | owen1, it means you didn't read ctrl-a ? - try opening the file to see what it contains :P |
| 05:41.32 | WormFood | xserver by default does not take tty7 |
| 05:41.37 | simonrvn | that one should also be a flw quote. |
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| 05:41.59 | simonrvn | damn, i could've sworn i hit enter for that... 2 minutes ago |
| 05:42.01 | WormFood | xserver by default takes the next unused tty, which on stock debian, happens to be tty7....that is not xserver, that is debian |
| 05:42.02 | terr_ | WormFood: been a long time since I looked at those configs. |
| 05:42.11 | enouf | WormFood: it's set up to on Debian |
| 05:42.20 | hoxu | simonrvn, which one then? :p |
| 05:42.22 | owen1 | hoxu: ok |
| 05:42.25 | WormFood | but still, it is not xserver that defaults to tty7 |
| 05:42.31 | enouf | WormFood: it's set up to /start at tty7/ on Debian |
| 05:42.39 | simonrvn | hoxu> !qotd0 dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 05:42.48 | WormFood | no it isn't, it is setup to use the next available tty |
| 05:42.59 | enouf | which is 7 |
| 05:42.59 | WormFood | it could be tty8, if tty7 is in use for some reason |
| 05:43.01 | hoxu | simonrvn, ah :) |
| 05:43.09 | enouf | read inittab |
| 05:43.22 | WormFood | I happen to have tty1-tty8 used, so my xserver uses tty9 |
| 05:44.18 | owen1 | hoxu: the file contain a snapshot of the irssi conversation |
| 05:44.26 | enouf | that's not the default debian setup, and you know it, but i guess you want to argue ;-) |
| 05:44.47 | NinjaMan1 | Debian+mediatomb (UPNP media serving)-> PS3: I am experience delays when I start playing files and change tracks, can anyone suggest how to reduce this delay? |
| 05:45.19 | enouf | uPnP ? ugh ... yeah mpoop |
| 05:45.56 | hoxu | owen1, yeah, that's screen's hardcopy feature... you use ctrl-a d to detach |
| 05:46.16 | owen1 | but when i do it i get the hardcopy message. |
| 05:46.52 | owen1 | hoxu: does it mean it's not detach? i can still write here.. |
| 05:47.26 | simonrvn | ^a^d to detach |
| 05:47.45 | hoxu | owen1, you press ctrl-a ctrl-d to detach |
| 05:48.10 | simonrvn | do ^a? to see the help |
| 05:48.37 | owen1 | hoxu: when i try it i get: "no other window" |
| 05:48.55 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 05:50.14 | hoxu | owen1, pebkac, or your keyboard has a weird layout |
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| 05:50.58 | hoxu | owen1, you are pressing ctrl-a ctrl-a |
| 05:51.29 | owen1 | true |
| 05:51.37 | owen1 | hoxu: thanks |
| 05:51.37 | hoxu | owen1, if you can't figure out how to press ctrl-a ctrl-d, I suggest to detach by unplugging the monitor cable |
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| 05:51.49 | hoxu | ;P |
| 05:51.51 | simonrvn | how about yo try what we said, and not make it up? |
| 05:52.11 | owen1 | hoxu: so i know how to use screen and tty! |
| 05:52.18 | hoxu | owen1, no problem, sunday trolls are like family to me :) |
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| 05:52.34 | simonrvn | ...having been one :P |
| 05:52.45 | hoxu | !bot abuse |
| 05:52.45 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 05:52.53 | NinjaMan1 | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 05:52.56 | hoxu | ^ that's my occupation, not trolling ;) |
| 05:53.02 | owen1 | hoxu: was i trolling? |
| 05:53.09 | simonrvn | same thing :P |
| 05:53.09 | enouf | NinjaMan1: nm me |
| 05:53.33 | hoxu | owen1, that's the beautiful part. The world will never know :} |
| 05:53.33 | simonrvn | i'm just bugging hoxu, he's knows i'm kidding |
| 05:54.40 | hoxu | simonrvn, very funny, what am I going to do with the oiled rope now? :\ |
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| 05:55.02 | simonrvn | use it for soap on a rope? |
| 05:55.34 | simonrvn | or maybe even a new kind of g-string |
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| 05:55.44 | terr_ | How does one deal with a channel like ##physics when sometimes it comes up ok and works and at other times it says no messages from outside? |
| 05:55.56 | hoxu | terr_, what client? |
| 05:56.05 | terr_ | Konversation |
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| 05:56.35 | Guerin | fail |
| 05:56.54 | hoxu | terr_, maybe it can't handle freenode's specialities |
| 05:56.59 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i could see how much all the packages i have installed take space |
| 05:57.05 | Guerin | !ds |
| 05:57.06 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less" |
| 05:57.09 | Guerin | wonder no more |
| 05:57.21 | terr_ | hoxu: like what? Worked 5 mins ago. |
| 05:57.24 | JyZyXEL | no more wondering |
| 05:57.31 | hoxu | Guerin, like dpigs -n? |
| 05:57.40 | simonrvn | or dpigs, in debian-goodies |
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| 05:58.02 | terr_ | hoxu: can you join? |
| 05:58.07 | simonrvn | like an extra # in the chan name |
| 05:58.20 | terr_ | simonrvn: perhaps! |
| 05:58.20 | Guerin | never heard of this `dpigs' as you call it |
| 05:58.29 | hoxu | dpkg, ds is also dpigs -n |sort (debian-goodies) |
| 05:58.30 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
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| 05:59.27 | terr_ | simonrvn: I tried it both ways. Was workign - no its not working |
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| 05:59.37 | hoxu | terr_, irssi works pretty well with freenode |
| 05:59.40 | simonrvn | !shoot me now |
| 05:59.40 | dpkg | blows me now away with a BFG 9000 |
| 06:00.03 | simonrvn | that came out funky |
| 06:00.11 | terr_ | hoxu: did you try to leave me a note? |
| 06:00.29 | hoxu | terr_, what? |
| 06:00.36 | enouf | dpkg: ds =~ s/debian-goodies/in the debian-goodies pkg/ |
| 06:00.36 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 06:01.04 | Guerin | terr_: ask in #freenode |
| 06:01.07 | terr_ | hoxu: my system says I'm in the channel. But this is konversation. |
| 06:01.10 | Guerin | terr_: this is NOFP |
| 06:01.23 | simonrvn | !nofp |
| 06:01.23 | dpkg | hmm... nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 06:01.29 | starz | ever had a server tell you that there was no /proc/modules ? |
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| 06:01.43 | Guerin | konversation was a crappy but fairly competently-built client last I heard, so I'd guess it's a matter of settings |
| 06:01.43 | simonrvn | yeh, when /proc wasn't mounted |
| 06:01.56 | starz | proc 0 0 0 - /proc |
| 06:01.56 | hoxu | terr_, suggest to change to a client that works :P |
| 06:01.58 | starz | hrm |
| 06:01.59 | terr_ | ok. thanx |
| 06:02.09 | terr_ | houx yes - some issues |
| 06:02.19 | simonrvn | removed module support? |
| 06:02.22 | starz | no some stuff is - meminfo works for instance, as does cpuinfo. any other ideas? |
| 06:02.26 | starz | simonrvn, oi? |
| 06:03.00 | simonrvn | it's just a coupla switches in menuconfig |
| 06:03.09 | enouf | starz: is /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ populated? |
| 06:03.34 | starz | enouf, nope |
| 06:03.46 | enouf | starz: also, was system.map made and copied over? .. well there ya go :-P |
| 06:03.53 | enouf | no modules |
| 06:04.04 | starz | wth |
| 06:04.13 | starz | how could there EVER be no modules?? |
| 06:04.21 | starz | i'm completely lost |
| 06:04.40 | Guerin | starz: modules are an optional extra if you know your hardware well enough |
| 06:04.41 | enouf | easily, you didn't make them, or didn't install them ,, all sorts of scenarios |
| 06:05.21 | starz | hm |
| 06:05.26 | starz | ok |
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| 06:08.04 | hoxu | Guerin, while you are at it, graph a graph theory book and write a script that is able to find single packages that depend on largest amount of libraries that could otherwise be removed :p |
| 06:08.10 | hoxu | s/graph/grab/ |
| 06:08.43 | NinjaMan1 | has anyone managed to install apache2-suexec(-custom) from a debian repository? |
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| 06:09.10 | hoxu | NinjaMan1, show us the command and error |
| 06:09.14 | Guerin | hoxu: you forget that I just pretend to know shit about computers |
| 06:09.40 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-suexec-custom_2.2.9-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 06:09.40 | NinjaMan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.02 | hoxu | NinjaMan1, debian version? |
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| 06:10.18 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu: lenny (with a bit of sid) |
| 06:10.27 | hoxu | checked bts? |
| 06:10.39 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu: not yet - will do so noe |
| 06:10.40 | NinjaMan1 | now |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | i'd re-run it from aptitude. usually it's ok after the second run |
| 06:11.55 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu: nothing on bts |
| 06:12.08 | hoxu | !reportbug |
| 06:12.08 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting |
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| 06:14.21 | enouf | or reportbug-ng if you disabled your MTA and such |
| 06:14.44 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu: sorry I am an idiot - apache2-suexec(-custom) is from sid and my apache2 was a lenny version, once I upgraded to the sid version of apache2 it installed correctly |
| 06:14.55 | starz | in lilo do i need to put the initrd image or the vmlinuz image? |
| 06:14.57 | enouf | (or never setup the mta to handle mail, etc) |
| 06:15.08 | NinjaMan1 | hoxu: however there should be some dependency on on the sid version of apache2.2-common, no? |
| 06:15.32 | enouf | starz: both, if both exist and initrd is needed |
| 06:15.54 | hoxu | NinjaMan1, probably, feel free to report a bug with your findings |
| 06:16.10 | enouf | starz: are you using a debian linux-image-version pkg? |
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| 06:18.27 | starz | enouf, i have linux-image-blah in yeah. |
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| 06:18.45 | starz | problem is this box is over in france at some incompetant host that doesnt support grub |
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| 06:18.54 | hfswork | lol this is not #ubuntu. Topic gets +10 pts. |
| 06:19.01 | starz | they then put in this way custom kernel, etc |
| 06:19.07 | simonrvn | NinjaMan1: yeh, but pinning can affect that |
| 06:19.36 | simonrvn | don't bother with the report, since it was pebkac |
| 06:19.51 | starz | i've half a mind to MAKE it grub.. |
| 06:19.54 | starz | ponders.. |
| 06:20.41 | NinjaMan1 | simonrv: what is pinning? and pebkac? |
| 06:20.56 | owen1 | what shell/terminal do you use? i want tabs. |
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| 06:21.00 | simonrvn | never mind |
| 06:21.47 | enouf | owen1: in X? |
| 06:21.55 | owen1 | enouf: yes |
| 06:22.05 | Wyzard | NinjaMan1: PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 06:22.07 | hoxu | simonrvn, regardless of pinning, isn't it a problem though? |
| 06:22.08 | enouf | well, kde has konsole :-P it has tabs |
| 06:22.09 | Wyzard | NinjaMan1: i.e. user error |
| 06:22.30 | JyZyXEL | its your shirts fault |
| 06:22.41 | enouf | not sure how much cruft it needs, likely a lot |
| 06:22.43 | owen1 | enouf: i am not using kde/gnome/xfce..anything else? |
| 06:22.48 | simonrvn | not really, because of the version incompatibility |
| 06:22.58 | enouf | owen1: there is, can't recall the names thooough offhand |
| 06:23.14 | simonrvn | the only bug i'd file is to make sure that version conflict exists (i think it does) |
| 06:23.27 | simonrvn | chaeck the changelog, it's in there |
| 06:23.28 | NinjaMan1 | Wyzard: thx |
| 06:23.31 | owen1 | enouf: i am using uxterm. |
| 06:23.54 | enouf | there's a ton of them, aterm, rxvt, etc etc |
| 06:24.16 | simonrvn | xterm doesn't have tabs |
| 06:25.04 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search x | grep terminal |
| 06:25.15 | enouf | you'll get some unwanted output too, but not too bad |
| 06:25.46 | enouf | mrxvt - lightweight multi-tabbed X terminal emulator |
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| 06:27.45 | owen1 | do i need xfce if all i want is xfce-terminal? |
| 06:28.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:29.03 | starz | o well |
| 06:30.16 | slim1 | hello all, i install debian on usb using debootstrap and when move it to the other ps i got error when grub try to boot > BUG: Int 6: CR2 00000000 .... |
| 06:31.12 | slim1 | is this error from grub ? |
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| 06:33.03 | nixfreak | how to open a tcp port ? |
| 06:33.19 | liable | install a service |
| 06:33.35 | nixfreak | I have my port forwaded on my router but still can't acces that port |
| 06:35.02 | nixfreak | so when I download the application and change the listening port it should make a service ? |
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| 06:35.25 | WormFood | you can't connect to a port, if nothing is listening on that port |
| 06:36.20 | simonrvn | nixfreak: that question doesn't make sense. |
| 06:36.35 | wols | !wayttd nixfreak |
| 06:36.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nixfreak? |
| 06:36.53 | liable | !closed ports |
| 06:36.53 | WormFood | he is trying to forward a port on his router |
| 06:37.01 | wols | but why? |
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| 06:37.11 | WormFood | who knows? |
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| 06:37.22 | wols | he himself hopefully |
| 06:38.14 | liable | !closing ports |
| 06:38.15 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 06:38.17 | simonrvn | nixfreak: ok. say you install apache2. by default it'll start the http daemon, listening on port 80, tcp. then you have an open port, since something is listening there. |
| 06:38.22 | liable | :) |
| 06:38.29 | WormFood | since he asked, and then does not respond, I can only assume he does not have an real interest in fixing his "problem" |
| 06:38.43 | simonrvn | nixfreak: otherwise it doesn't make sense |
| 06:39.16 | enouf | maybe he's a nixsuperfreak |
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| 06:40.30 | liable | wtf is iceweasel making photos black |
| 06:40.49 | nixfreak | sorry multitasking and working with fvwm-crystal |
| 06:41.02 | nixfreak | which is the best wm I have ever used |
| 06:41.12 | JyZyXEL | its pretty good |
| 06:42.13 | WormFood | nixfreak, don't ask questions if you're not going to stick around for the answer |
| 06:42.41 | nixfreak | sorry figuring out all the hot keys for windows |
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| 06:43.27 | TheViral | I need to revert a package to an older version, how would I go about doing that? |
| 06:43.40 | TheViral | in synaptic, the force version option is greyed out |
| 06:43.42 | wols | TheViral: install the older version |
| 06:43.49 | wols | use dpkg |
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| 06:44.17 | TheViral | ok, hold on, I am going to man it |
| 06:45.07 | TheViral | is it possible through apt? |
| 06:45.12 | TheViral | or only dpkg |
| 06:45.18 | TheViral | cause I am more familiar with apt |
| 06:45.44 | wols | since you don't know how to do it with apt either or you you wouldn't ask, how is apt advantageous for this right now? |
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| 06:46.31 | TheViral | I don't know, apt just feels like it's geared to newer people :p |
| 06:46.49 | defrysk | gdebi is also a posibillity |
| 06:46.54 | enouf | download the version.deb you need |
| 06:47.24 | defrysk | instead of downloading it let gedebi handle it |
| 06:47.29 | defrysk | gdebi* |
| 06:47.38 | defrysk | apt-get install gdebi first |
| 06:47.53 | enouf | (from official mirror naturally) |
| 06:47.58 | defrysk | ;) |
| 06:48.31 | TheViral | what is gdebi exactly |
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| 06:48.38 | TheViral | comand line interface like apt or dpkg? |
| 06:49.11 | enouf | !tell TheViral -about grounding |
| 06:49.21 | defrysk | the a bit like apt , it pops up when you let gdebi handle it and resolves deps in the process |
| 06:49.40 | TheViral | nothing told me about grounding |
| 06:49.53 | enouf | or, auto-apt might work there |
| 06:49.58 | defrysk | is off for some cardio |
| 06:50.01 | wols | !tell TheViral about grounding |
| 06:50.10 | wols | something _did_ tell you |
| 06:50.12 | enouf | [02:44:26] [dpkg] told TheViral about grounding. |
| 06:50.25 | enouf | it's likely in another window |
| 06:50.25 | TheViral | I see, well there is nothing on my end |
| 06:50.29 | TheViral | ohh |
| 06:50.29 | TheViral | ok |
| 06:50.31 | TheViral | I see it now |
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| 06:54.42 | owen1 | anyone heard about ipblocker? |
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| 06:54.52 | wols | !anyone |
| 06:54.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 06:54.56 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
| 06:55.59 | owen1 | any recommendations for blocking ip apps? |
| 06:56.25 | wols | what are "ip apps" and blocking how? |
| 06:57.13 | owen1 | wols: apps that can block others from sniffing into what you surf online. |
| 06:57.39 | wols | that's not possible |
| 06:57.58 | wols | if by "surf" you mean normal unencrypted webpages |
| 06:58.26 | owen1 | wols: ok. |
| 06:58.31 | JyZyXEL | be more accurate |
| 06:58.36 | Xenguy | owen1: I think you mean an 'anonymizer' type service |
| 06:58.50 | Xenguy | maybe |
| 06:58.51 | wols | owen1: not it is not possible anywhere, not with this mythical ipblocker either |
| 06:58.54 | JyZyXEL | some people use privoxy + tor |
| 06:59.03 | JyZyXEL | for anonymity |
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| 06:59.23 | Xenguy | JyZyXEL: welcome to the darknet :-) |
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| 07:01.23 | hfsplus | Tor+Privoxy over anoNet with freenet tossed in |
| 07:01.26 | hfsplus | for the truly paranoid |
| 07:01.28 | hfsplus | ;) |
| 07:01.47 | JyZyXEL | hfsplus use that from a public wlan |
| 07:02.11 | hfsplus | JyZyXEL, lol ya. |
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| 07:03.59 | Wyzard | That'd be something useful to carry around on a laptop... a virtual machine set up with Tor |
| 07:04.17 | JyZyXEL | and connect to the wlan with a big 30dB signal booster from miles away |
| 07:04.39 | hfsplus | I have lvm encryption, tor+privoxy and anonet as well as freenet when I want it on my mbp. |
| 07:04.50 | Wyzard | Set the VM to revert to a snapshot upon shutdown, so it doesn't retain any state from one use to the next |
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| 07:33.36 | dutchfish | i need some information how to handle the security options of my sata drive, i want to know what "*54min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 54min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT*" means and how to use it. |
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| 07:35.17 | embkas | how do I install firefox 3.0 in etch? |
| 07:35.27 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install links2 |
| 07:35.31 | dutchfish | embkas, its in sid only i gues |
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| 07:36.05 | dutchfish | embkas, maybe later in bpo |
| 07:36.27 | embkas | and bpo is backport something? |
| 07:36.37 | dutchfish | !tell embkas about bpo |
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| 07:38.02 | dutchfish | embkas, but its still a bit early to use it without glitches |
| 07:38.29 | viperserv2 | hmm how do u convert raid1 hard to raid0 i think my raid card is 3ware |
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| 07:38.58 | dutchfish | viperserv2, you cant, at least not directly |
| 07:39.38 | viperserv2 | can u deraid? |
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| 07:41.08 | viperserv2 | well i can't touch the server |
| 07:41.13 | viperserv2 | it's at a data center |
| 07:41.17 | dutchfish | viperserv2, i am afraid not, but you can dd to an offline medium and make a raidset to your likings and copy the data back |
| 07:41.47 | dutchfish | viperserv2, you need remote kvm access to do this |
| 07:42.00 | viperserv2 | kvm? |
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| 07:42.32 | dutchfish | viperserv2, remote hardware console over ip |
| 07:42.46 | viperserv2 | u can install it with ssh? |
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| 07:42.50 | embkas | dutchfish: I know - I have ubuuntu hardy installed on a laptop with firefox 3.0 beta - some strange things happens from time to time |
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| 07:43.18 | dutchfish | embkas, yup, better wait till it gets in bpo |
| 07:43.40 | embkas | dutchfish: agree |
| 07:43.41 | dutchfish | viperserv2, no ask your isp they should now |
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| 07:44.13 | dutchfish | viperserv2, its a way you can access bios and your raidcontroller remotely |
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| 07:44.38 | dutchfish | viperserv2, of coarse after you did a backup |
| 07:44.50 | viperserv2 | oh they have kvm |
| 07:44.55 | viperserv2 | well vkvm |
| 07:45.46 | viperserv2 | i need a client to access it? |
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| 07:46.21 | dutchfish | viperserv2, then boot fro another partition and mount your raid volume, backup it, and you can access your raid controller on th enext boot to recreate the wanted raid level |
| 07:46.37 | viperserv2 | Kernel: vKVM Mode activated |
| 07:46.38 | dutchfish | viperserv2, then restore |
| 07:47.13 | jim_p | i want to install transcode and there is a dependency missing, liblzo1. what can i do? |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | jim_p: what branch? |
| 07:48.09 | jim_p | debian testing, 2.6.24 kernel |
| 07:48.22 | Guerin | try grabbing it from unstable |
| 07:48.26 | Guerin | the dep, i mean |
| 07:48.33 | Guerin | (but nothing else) |
| 07:48.53 | jim_p | but that puts me in risk of breaking stuff |
| 07:49.01 | Guerin | not much risk |
| 07:49.16 | dutchfish | jim_p, have you read /usr/share/doc/liblzo1/LZO.TXT.gz |
| 07:49.19 | Guerin | check first to see if the required version is there |
| 07:49.29 | jim_p | so i just go grab the .deb file from the repo? |
| 07:49.34 | jim_p | dutchfish: no |
| 07:49.40 | Guerin | do what dutchfish says first |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | that should have been step 1\ |
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| 07:50.03 | jim_p | and one more thing |
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| 07:50.29 | jim_p | i have liblzo2.something installed |
| 07:50.43 | jim_p | isn't it supposed to work? |
| 07:50.53 | jim_p | like... bypass liblzo1 |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | no |
| 07:51.21 | viperserv2 | what kvm client should i use? |
| 07:52.15 | jim_p | i only have /usr/share/doc/liblzo2-2/LZO.TXT.gz here :( |
| 07:53.24 | jim_p | is there a debian-multimedia channel so i can ask |
| 07:53.25 | jim_p | ? |
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| 07:54.31 | hfsplus | jim_p, have you tried to ln -s liblzo1 liblzo2 and see if that works? |
| 07:55.01 | dutchfish | jim_p, http://debian-multimedia.org/ (transcode is not in lenny) |
| 07:55.27 | viperserv2 | hmm u use kvm with a client right? |
| 07:55.52 | dutchfish | viperserv2, depends on the kvm, mostly yes, some have java interfaces |
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| 07:56.11 | jim_p | no, because apt wants to install the dep itself and it fails |
| 07:56.13 | viperserv2 | vkvm use java? |
| 07:56.26 | jim_p | i am not going to short-circuit apt |
| 07:56.35 | dutchfish | viperserv2, some do, yes |
| 07:56.48 | viperserv2 | hmm know of any clients? |
| 07:56.55 | jim_p | and transcode IS on my apt lists (transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams) |
| 07:57.15 | dutchfish | viperserv2, it depends on wich one your isp provides, ask them |
| 07:57.33 | dutchfish | viperserv2, its not a debian q ;) |
| 07:58.38 | dutchfish | !info transcode etch |
| 07:59.18 | dutchfish | transcode doe snot excists |
| 07:59.20 | jim_p | !info transcode lenny |
| 07:59.34 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
| 08:00.01 | jim_p | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/package/transcode.php |
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| 08:00.08 | dutchfish | do you have other then standard repos in your apt/sources.lst ? |
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| 08:00.17 | dutchfish | jim_p, right |
| 08:01.22 | jim_p | i have the default security repo, the normal debian lenny repo, debian multimedia repo, opera repo and a few fallback ones of the default |
| 08:01.41 | owen1 | is it possible to open two screen sessions on the same machine? |
| 08:01.47 | dutchfish | jim_p, i think transcode was removed recently (not sure) |
| 08:02.02 | dutchfish | jim_p, from memory it was in once |
| 08:02.58 | dutchfish | jim_p, you can delve in archives but prolly wont solve your problem, there was a reason why it was removed |
| 08:03.23 | jim_p | since someone removes a package |
| 08:03.42 | jim_p | i think he/she MUST inform others about it |
| 08:04.07 | jim_p | lets say i need a package that has transcode as a dependency |
| 08:04.21 | dutchfish | jim_p, Broken ffmpeg libraries maybe .... |
| 08:04.27 | jim_p | and since i cant have transcode, i cant have that package too |
| 08:04.36 | jim_p | whos fault is it then? |
| 08:04.39 | dutchfish | jim_p, right |
| 08:04.53 | jim_p | ffmpeg works fine for me so far |
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| 08:05.21 | dutchfish | jim_p, prolly noones, its a fast moving target atm and could not stand up to debian policys, or not yet |
| 08:05.40 | jim_p | oh i see |
| 08:05.59 | dutchfish | jim_p, or it got orphaned to long |
| 08:06.28 | dutchfish | jim_p, you could grab the source tarball and make a package yourself of oarse |
| 08:06.35 | dutchfish | s/oarse/coarse |
| 08:07.03 | dutchfish | jim_p, or ask debian-multimedia they coop with that sort of things |
| 08:07.24 | dutchfish | jim_p, hold on a sec |
| 08:07.25 | jim_p | i avoid that because someone told me that it is wrong to build something from source and short-curcuit my PM |
| 08:07.27 | jim_p | ok |
| 08:08.15 | jim_p | in fact, the onliest thing i ever built from source,is the aurora theme engine |
| 08:08.43 | jim_p | that engine plus a buggy theme for it, made my pc crawl like... |
| 08:08.54 | dutchfish | jim_p, you have libvorbis0 installed? |
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| 08:10.25 | dutchfish | jim_p, because libvorbis0a conflicts with libvorbis0 |
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| 08:10.38 | dutchfish | jim_p, wich is needed by transcode |
| 08:10.58 | jim_p | hold on a sec. i want to check |
| 08:11.07 | dutchfish | jim_p, i cant check this myself on this system |
| 08:12.03 | jim_p | i have libvorbis0a and no other package with a similar name in my repos |
| 08:13.29 | dutchfish | jim_p, thats your problem, however i do not know how to solve it, my best bet is ask debian-multimedia to surely have tons o q about it |
| 08:13.32 | Wyzard | jim_p: transcode is a third-party package not supported by Debian... no package in Debian will depend on it, so it's not really Debian's problem if it's not installable |
| 08:13.37 | jim_p | what does libvorbis* have to do with transcode problem? i travked down the dependency problem and it leads to liblzo1 |
| 08:13.59 | jim_p | Wyzard: thanks |
| 08:14.20 | jim_p | but i need debian-multimedia's irc channel so as to ask! |
| 08:15.07 | Wyzard | jim_p: looks to me like transcode depends on a bunch of packages that aren't available (in amd64 sid at least): libavcodeccvs51, libavformatcvs52, libavutilcvs49, libpostproccvs51, libx264-57 |
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| 08:15.46 | dutchfish | Wyzard, he has already debian-multimedia in his repo list |
| 08:16.00 | Wyzard | dutchfish: I do too, and those packages aren't available |
| 08:16.11 | Wyzard | so it looks like the transcode package is just very out-of-date |
| 08:16.19 | jim_p | :( |
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| 08:16.23 | dutchfish | Wyzard, ic, i did not know because i dont use that repo |
| 08:16.35 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yup |
| 08:17.29 | dutchfish | i need some information how to handle the security options of my sata drive, i want to know what "*54min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 54min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT*" means and how to use it. |
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| 08:20.47 | dutchfish | has just dicovered that ACPI is messing up video throughput in latest xorg, restarting the service however does solve that, it is spamming my logs with tons of the same error (GB an hour), this is on lenny amd64 latest kernel. |
| 08:21.28 | Wyzard | dutchfish: That's an internal self-erase procedure, I believe |
| 08:21.36 | Wyzard | dunno how to invoke it though... I'd just use the "wipe" tool |
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| 08:22.15 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes, the nice part is it can do it without cpu cycles, thats why its so nice |
| 08:22.29 | dutchfish | Wyzard, but there is no info on using it |
| 08:22.39 | Wyzard | There's also no info on how thorough it is |
| 08:22.50 | jim_p | thanks guys for the help |
| 08:23.00 | jim_p | i guess i have to sit down and wait |
| 08:23.03 | dutchfish | Wyzard, thats exactly what i try to find out |
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| 08:23.44 | Wyzard | dutchfish: and "wipe" shouldn't be particularly CPU-intensive (it's just sending I/O commands to the drive and waiting for responses) |
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| 08:23.53 | christoz | hello....is there anyone who uses skype? when i lunch skype my modem disconnects... |
| 08:24.12 | dutchfish | Wyzard, still i like to go to this to the bottom, but thank you so far for your reply |
| 08:24.41 | Wyzard | dutchfish: np |
| 08:24.50 | Wyzard | dutchfish: and I think the expression you're looking for is "get to the bottom of this" |
| 08:24.58 | cahoot | christoz: not really a debian issue |
| 08:25.11 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes, sorry for my poor english |
| 08:25.38 | Wyzard | dutchfish: bah, that's nothing you need to apologize for |
| 08:26.20 | christoz | cahoot ..perhaps it is ,cause on ubuntu this is not hapenning |
| 08:26.20 | dutchfish | Wyzard, thank you |
| 08:28.07 | dutchfish | christoz, thats beside the issue, skype software isnt open, so hard to tell why it does what it does |
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| 08:28.55 | JyZyXEL | so how do i know the IP-address behind a MAC address? |
| 08:29.02 | JyZyXEL | isn't that like a Reverse ARP |
| 08:29.08 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 08:29.23 | JyZyXEL | whats the name of the tool that can do that |
| 08:29.29 | dutchfish | ipping |
| 08:29.32 | dutchfish | arping |
| 08:30.28 | dutchfish | you can not directly ping a mac, but you can arping an ip and get its mac, you also might want to delve in arpwatch (nice tool) |
| 08:30.30 | christoz | hmm it's true what you and cahoot say,but iwas wondering if on debian voip apps works different from other distros |
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| 08:31.18 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna know whos behind a certain MAC |
| 08:31.37 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, on your own lan? |
| 08:31.39 | N0Lif3 | Does anybody here use Firefox 3 under Debian? |
| 08:31.44 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish yea |
| 08:31.57 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, wireshark, tcpdump and others |
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| 08:32.15 | JyZyXEL | well i don't know about those |
| 08:32.22 | JyZyXEL | iptraf just shows me the MAC |
| 08:32.30 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, i use arpwatch, it send send me mail when something changes |
| 08:32.38 | dutchfish | s/send/sends |
| 08:33.45 | JyZyXEL | someones maxing the bandwidth again |
| 08:33.49 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, tcpdump can watch only arp, so you see things like who has .... and xxxx has [ip], you can capture that easely |
| 08:34.16 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, use iftop for that |
| 08:34.54 | enouf | dutchfish: are you apologizing again? tsk, tsk .. ;-) (really, cut that out though ;-)) |
| 08:35.04 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish to do what? |
| 08:35.50 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, find your nethogs with iftop and nethogs |
| 08:35.52 | enouf | JyZyXEL: apt-cache show iftop |
| 08:36.13 | JyZyXEL | it just shows the connection |
| 08:36.20 | JyZyXEL | now whos behind it |
| 08:36.35 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, arping [ip] |
| 08:37.31 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, but why not use QOS oon your gatway anyway? |
| 08:37.41 | dutchfish | s/gatway/gateway |
| 08:37.53 | dutchfish | curses his stiff fingers |
| 08:38.02 | JyZyXEL | i've been making a QoS script last 7 days |
| 08:38.25 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, ok |
| 08:38.53 | enouf | it shows the IP and ports too |
| 08:39.02 | JyZyXEL | then i discovered there is no way to limit the downloading |
| 08:39.17 | JyZyXEL | so anyone can just start download stuff at full speed and there is nothing to do about that |
| 08:39.19 | enouf | who's behind the curtain? why, the wizard ofcourse |
| 08:39.30 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, you can limit bandwidth |
| 08:39.36 | enouf | sure there is |
| 08:39.54 | enouf | rate-limiting, etc |
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| 08:40.21 | JyZyXEL | yea well i don't know how to do that |
| 08:40.33 | JyZyXEL | i only found out how to limit uploading |
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| 08:40.44 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://svana.org/kleptog/Packet-Shaping-HOWTO.html |
| 08:40.47 | JyZyXEL | and prioritize it |
| 08:41.09 | enouf | better learn your iptables and netfilter :-p |
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| 08:41.25 | enouf | or splurge for some cisco crisco :-P |
| 08:41.25 | oriba | hello |
| 08:41.28 | dutchfish | not to forget conntrack and ebtables |
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| 08:41.59 | enouf | ebtables, ntables, gtables it's almsot like wifi O_o |
| 08:42.11 | dutchfish | enouf, ha |
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| 08:42.23 | oriba | how can I install a newer kernel on an older release? maybe backports? How to do it? |
| 08:42.26 | dutchfish | enouf, i find wifi sometimes more challeging |
| 08:42.44 | enouf | oriba: yes, backports.org is one way |
| 08:42.56 | enouf | !tell oriba -about backport |
| 08:42.58 | enouf | !tell oriba -about backports |
| 08:43.04 | enouf | oops, sorry |
| 08:43.10 | dutchfish | !tell oriba about kp-mantra |
| 08:43.29 | oriba | I looked up here for available kernels: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel-image-2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 08:43.36 | enouf | dutchfish: he/she doesn't need to build anything :-P |
| 08:43.45 | oriba | this "*-di" files seem not to be complete kernels. |
| 08:43.48 | oriba | Which are available? |
| 08:43.56 | enouf | oriba: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:44.10 | oriba | 4.0 |
| 08:44.13 | enouf | oriba: you want linux-image-VERSION pkgs |
| 08:44.26 | oriba | enn, ...what? |
| 08:44.34 | oriba | linux-image-4.0 ? |
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| 08:44.37 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 08:45.23 | enouf | oriba: follow the directions that dpkg told you about backports.org |
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| 08:46.54 | oriba | enouf, ok, but it seems it is for compiling the kernel from source?! |
| 08:47.25 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, apropos there is also trickle for small simple subnets |
| 08:47.25 | oriba | enouf, how long would it need round about? |
| 08:47.40 | enouf | oriba: one sec |
| 08:47.52 | oriba | enouf, hehe |
| 08:48.00 | enouf | oriba: http://backports.org/ |
| 08:48.21 | enouf | no compiling, install the correct linux-image-version pkg |
| 08:48.31 | enouf | follow the directions there |
| 08:49.09 | oriba | enouf, what's the differene between using backports-stuff and downloading kernel source and do it 2directly"? How is backports helpful here? |
| 08:49.11 | enouf | oriba: i should've sent you backports.org factoid |
| 08:49.18 | enouf | !tell oriba -about backports.org |
| 08:49.40 | enouf | !tell oriba -about grounding |
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| 08:50.34 | enouf | the linux-image-xxx pkg contains all that's needed, kernel + modules + any needed /boot files .. the initrd is generated upon installation - all work is done for you |
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| 08:51.32 | oriba | enouf, ok, I will reda those docs now... using that dpkg-mantra ;-) Thx so far. |
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| 08:54.45 | slim1 | when i connect through ssh i got this message " stdin: is not a tty ", how to fix this ? |
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| 09:00.35 | fabri | hello |
| 09:00.56 | fabri | i have some problem with mepis simply7... could someone help me? |
| 09:01.00 | xand | no |
| 09:01.10 | xand | this is not a mepis channel |
| 09:01.11 | xand | !mepis |
| 09:01.12 | dpkg | mepis is probably a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis on irc.freenode.net and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
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| 09:02.14 | fabri | no one answered on mepis channel! |
| 09:02.42 | Bushmills | fabri, often, waiting for an answer helps |
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| 09:02.49 | xand | fabri: wait longer |
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| 09:03.27 | Bushmills | if nobody answers at all, consider changing to a better supported distribution |
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| 09:03.43 | xand | :D |
| 09:04.05 | valdyn | = pay for support |
| 09:04.14 | Pheagator | Hi, I'm going to configure my new Debian etch as a firewall/router with iptables. I've got a question regarding startup scripts and the moment of when iptables entries are effective. I would like to avoid a situation when the machine is any second unprotected - is this already supported by Debian? Are there startup scripts for iptables? |
| 09:04.31 | valdyn | Pheagator: use something like shorewall |
| 09:04.36 | valdyn | Pheagator: not iptables directly |
| 09:04.49 | Pheagator | valdyn: will I get full control over my firewall? :-) |
| 09:04.52 | xand | personnaly I put iptables scripts in /etc/networks/if-up.d |
| 09:05.00 | valdyn | Pheagator: sure |
| 09:05.25 | Bushmills | Pheagator, set iptables policies to REJECT before bringing up interfaces |
| 09:05.27 | Pheagator | i see. Do you maybe know if is it possible to setup a firewall on interface before IP address is actually acquired? |
| 09:05.51 | slxix | boggles. |
| 09:05.54 | Pheagator | ok, good idea. |
| 09:06.05 | Pheagator | valdyn: xand: Bushmills: thanks. |
| 09:06.12 | dutchfish | Wyzard, i have it working now, i also aslo could still retrieve data from disk AFTER a software wipe, why? read this: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2006/07/hard-drive-secure-erase/ Also a disk-erase through teh disks firmware is much faster, it took 32 minutes to erase a 250 disk sata 3 spindle |
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| 09:08.19 | valdyn | dutchfish: cant hdparm do that? |
| 09:08.40 | dutchfish | valdyn, yeno, not always |
| 09:09.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, depends on your kernel |
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| 09:10.26 | dutchfish | valdyn, but i use hdparm to get it out of freeze |
| 09:11.09 | valdyn | dutchfish: got any link to a clear spec on what "SECURITY ERASE UNIT" does? |
| 09:11.20 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2006/07/hard-drive-secure-erase/ |
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| 09:11.42 | valdyn | dutchfish: thats a blog, i saw it |
| 09:11.54 | valdyn | dutchfish: i mean like something official |
| 09:11.58 | valdyn | dutchfish: to show off |
| 09:12.00 | dutchfish | valdyn, nothing else so far, i am inspecting now, what the drive does when it WAS erased that way for reuse |
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| 09:12.39 | dutchfish | valdyn, hehe that was my initial q this morning myself |
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| 09:13.03 | valdyn | dutchfish: the "master password" is empty by default? |
| 09:13.06 | dutchfish | quote .... i need some information how to handle the security options of my sata drive, i want to know what "*54min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 54min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT*" means and how to use it. |
| 09:13.15 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes |
| 09:13.30 | valdyn | dutchfish: very nice, i just coincidentally need to shred some disks |
| 09:13.41 | dutchfish | valdyn, so if not frozen, a hacker/trojan can do nasty things |
| 09:13.42 | _ZeuZ_ | hey guys, has anyone ever used arno´s iptable script? |
| 09:14.00 | valdyn | dutchfish: yea, that was in the press a year or more ago |
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| 09:14.21 | _ZeuZ_ | Seems like a good option for a small/medium ISP... though I would require someone to tell me what they think |
| 09:14.30 | dutchfish | valdyn, hdparm with 2.6.25-7 works for me, not 2.6.24x, not 2.6.22.x, 2.6.18-6 does |
| 09:14.50 | redduck666 | will BadThings(TM) happen if i add 2.5 to supported version in /usr/share/python/debian_defaults ? |
| 09:15.09 | dutchfish | valdyn, with that i mean the security toggles |
| 09:15.26 | valdyn | redduck666: the result is unspecified, you can get lucky that your stuff works, or not |
| 09:15.40 | dutchfish | valdyn, you need to config hdparm to unfreeze on nextboot |
| 09:16.08 | dutchfish | valdyn, warning, my bios has a toggle switch also |
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| 09:16.52 | valdyn | dutchfish: now these disks are from 1998-1999 |
| 09:17.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, i am also curieus would would happen after more then one wipe through disk firmware, ill let you know when i know more |
| 09:17.14 | valdyn | that could be an issue i guess, will see |
| 09:17.17 | dutchfish | valdyn, sec options started back from ~2000 |
| 09:17.27 | valdyn | I see |
| 09:17.29 | valdyn | even on scsi? |
| 09:17.37 | dutchfish | valdyn, ide first scii much later |
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| 09:17.45 | zxxxd | does etch have PAE stock kernerls? |
| 09:17.46 | zxxxd | kernels |
| 09:17.54 | valdyn | zxxxd: yes |
| 09:17.55 | dutchfish | valdyn, even now you can buy scsii without them |
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| 09:18.23 | zxxxd | valdyn, what's called? |
| 09:18.35 | valdyn | zxxxd: -bigmem i think |
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| 09:18.57 | valdyn | zxxxd: you really need to run 32-bit kernel with large memory support? |
| 09:19.08 | valdyn | zxxxd: there's 64-bit kernels, you know |
| 09:19.28 | zxxxd | valdyn, right i see |
| 09:19.35 | zxxxd | valdyn, PAE |
| 09:19.42 | zxxxd | valdyn, i mean bigmeme |
| 09:19.57 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.01 | zxxxd | valdyn, yes , but is it good performance wise to run 64bit kernel on 32bit userland ? |
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| 09:20.11 | xingu | dutchfish: nb, if your bios isn't playing ball (if the disk is always frozen in early boot) - just pause at your bootloader and physically reseat the disk's power lead |
| 09:20.12 | valdyn | ops, that one is outdated |
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| 09:20.25 | valdyn | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem is probably the latest |
| 09:20.35 | valdyn | zxxxd: yes |
| 09:20.57 | drizzd_ | zxxxd: and you can run 64-bit apps |
| 09:21.06 | dutchfish | xingu, yup, i have a drive with flashable firmware, so i am now trying to figure out how it works |
| 09:21.13 | valdyn | zxxxd: theres no "mode switching", nothing that causes significant overhead |
| 09:21.20 | valdyn | zxxxd: contrary to what pae does |
| 09:21.24 | zxxxd | drizzd_, yes but there are many packages missing in 64bit |
| 09:21.35 | drizzd_ | zxxxd: like what? |
| 09:21.55 | valdyn | zxxxd: how much ram do you really have? |
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| 09:22.05 | zxxxd | valdyn, 4GB but i plan to upgrade |
| 09:22.23 | drizzd_ | zxxxd: also, 64-bit kernel and 64-bit debian are different matters |
| 09:22.30 | valdyn | zxxxd: i would use debian/amd64, particularily on a server |
| 09:22.37 | zxxxd | drizzd_, yes 64bit userland |
| 09:22.46 | valdyn | zxxxd: but a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit debian is still better than 32-bit kernel |
| 09:22.52 | zxxxd | valdyn, i see |
| 09:22.58 | drizzd_ | zxxxd: there are no 64-bit packages missing |
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| 09:23.15 | _ZeuZ_ | 64bits on 32bits hardware will NOT RUN |
| 09:23.22 | _ZeuZ_ | Deiban installer itself rejects this kinda things |
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| 09:23.28 | zxxxd | _ZeuZ_, ofcourse the hardware is 64bit |
| 09:23.29 | dutchfish | xingu, specially how the 10% head off feature works, and how they store data in "spare" blocks wich arent accessable by software alone |
| 09:23.34 | _ZeuZ_ | Long mode not supported for example |
| 09:23.44 | drizzd_ | _ZeuZ_: really |
| 09:23.53 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxxd, then if you do not need to emulate things like flash, go for the 64 bits |
| 09:23.59 | _ZeuZ_ | (I stand corrected: |
| 09:24.07 | valdyn | drizzd_: why do you claim that theres no 64-bit packages missing? |
| 09:24.09 | _ZeuZ_ | not emulate, but use ia32 libs and stuff) |
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| 09:24.29 | valdyn | drizzd_: there's enough missing for plenty people |
| 09:24.37 | _ZeuZ_ | ---wich in fact, can be counted as that, pfff.. never mind, too difuse line between them--- |
| 09:24.57 | xingu | dutchfish: the last one is easy, the drive contains a sector spare list |
| 09:25.09 | valdyn | zxxxd: whats the purpose of the box you are setting up? |
| 09:25.10 | xingu | dutchfish: effectively a per-sector lookaside |
| 09:25.24 | drizzd_ | valdyn: well, I'm not aware of any missing packages |
| 09:25.27 | _ZeuZ_ | Returning to my question, has anyone tried arnos iptables script (package in the repos) on a production stage such as a small/medium ISP? |
| 09:25.28 | dutchfish | xingu, yes but i have only "logical" access not "physical" so we all get fooled i suspect |
| 09:25.41 | drizzd_ | valdyn: can you give me an example? |
| 09:25.51 | xingu | dutchfish: absolutely; the only way you'll know what's going on is to query the defect list |
| 09:25.54 | valdyn | drizzd_: acrobat reader, skype |
| 09:26.01 | xingu | dutchfish: ... which will tell you. :) |
| 09:26.01 | dutchfish | xingu, righty |
| 09:26.14 | zxxxd | valdyn, squid , bind , ejabberd , mysql (but very light databases) , kerberos - that's about it , |
| 09:26.29 | valdyn | zxxxd: no reason not to go entirely 64-bit |
| 09:26.39 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxxd, then I don´t see why to stick with 64 bits kernel |
| 09:26.41 | _ZeuZ_ | I mean |
| 09:26.43 | _ZeuZ_ | 32bits |
| 09:26.47 | drizzd_ | valdyn: well, skype is not in debian anyways, and you can install 32-bit version and 32-bit libraries |
| 09:26.55 | zxxxd | guess so |
| 09:27.02 | _ZeuZ_ | obviously now you need the whole system to have packages compiled to run under that processor arch |
| 09:27.08 | dutchfish | xingu, i got curieus because somany poeple blindly use software tools to wipe, wich i dont trust fully |
| 09:27.08 | valdyn | drizzd_: that a workaround, it doesnt make 64-bit skype available |
| 09:27.15 | valdyn | drizzd_: and that workaround has severe issues |
| 09:27.36 | drizzd_ | like what? I'm using skype right now |
| 09:27.41 | xingu | dutchfish: you're in exactly the right area, the TLA-agency concerns are what _lead_ to the secure erase protocol |
| 09:27.51 | _ZeuZ_ | valdyn, there's actually a native beta for 64bits somewhere in Ubuntu repos xD |
| 09:27.52 | drizzd_ | and apt-get install acroread doesn't complain either |
| 09:27.53 | xingu | dutchfish: it's also _way_ faster than the sw equivalent. |
| 09:27.57 | _ZeuZ_ | )and in experimental) |
| 09:28.04 | dutchfish | xingu, bingo |
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| 09:29.02 | Pheagator | Do you maybe know if it's possible to configure (i.e. using iptables) firewall under Linux on downed interfaces? |
| 09:29.17 | _ZeuZ_ | Pheagator, it is possible |
| 09:29.33 | delight | hello. I feel like I google the whole web to find out what the command was to change all java-commands in the alternative system with just one command (update-alternatives --config javasystemconfsomething) - there was a command twisting all java-alternatives in just 1 step |
| 09:29.33 | xingu | dutchfish: I gather the reason it's faster fwiw is that telling the drive to fill its boots pumping out whatever waveform it likes is much quicker than instructing it to carefully encode the relevant clearing patterns sent to it as a block list |
| 09:29.40 | valdyn | Pheagator: sane firewalls like shorewall do this securily |
| 09:29.48 | _ZeuZ_ | though rules will apply to newly created traffic only, and will fail if the traffic from a downed interface is forwarded or whatever to another |
| 09:29.48 | delight | googled |
| 09:29.50 | valdyn | Pheagator: but you can do it manually the hard way too, sure |
| 09:30.01 | xingu | dutchfish: only in the latter case does the spindle have to care about whether or not the written result matches the desired result |
| 09:30.36 | zxxxd | valdyn, but i didn't mention this server will be a guest DomU in xen , and will dedicate it from dom0 a maximum of 512MB of ram for it |
| 09:30.43 | dutchfish | xingu, i already discovered the waves aptterns they use .... bit-tables ... |
| 09:30.45 | Pheagator | valdyn: I'm going to use shorewall, now browsing through the docs. |
| 09:30.53 | dutchfish | s/aptterns/patterns |
| 09:31.17 | zxxxd | valdyn, is there a problem running 64bit OS on 512MB of ram? |
| 09:31.25 | valdyn | zxxxd: yes |
| 09:31.42 | valdyn | zxxxd: 64-bit system needs more ram than 32-bit system |
| 09:31.50 | valdyn | zxxxd: and 512 mb isnt exactly alot |
| 09:32.04 | valdyn | zxxxd: but you said the "main system" had more than 4G |
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| 09:32.17 | valdyn | zxxxd: you can run 32-bit guests on a 64-bit host |
| 09:32.24 | valdyn | zxxxd: and that is probably what you should do |
| 09:32.29 | zxxxd | it does , but i will give the domU maximum 1GB tops because it dosen't really need that much |
| 09:32.36 | Pheagator | zxxxd: does 64 bit Linux need more ram than 32 bit? |
| 09:32.38 | zxxxd | right now it's berly scratching let me see |
| 09:32.42 | dutchfish | xingu, the q is now for me also, how does the drive work after a wipe or multiple wipes, does it has impact on the platters |
| 09:32.51 | Pheagator | that soudns a bit strange |
| 09:33.09 | valdyn | Pheagator: umm, its very obvious |
| 09:33.43 | xingu | dutchfish: should be as you'd expect; trashed data, ready for re-use. |
| 09:33.58 | xingu | dutchfish: that's certainly the design goal |
| 09:34.05 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, a good random source ;) |
| 09:34.38 | xingu | dutchfish: unsure about _random_; more likely to be a constant pattern |
| 09:34.48 | Pheagator | hm. well i thoguht that 64bit intel architecture differs from 32 bit only in length of operands arguments, like for add/mov, etc. how does it match with more RAM usage? |
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| 09:34.59 | Pheagator | you mean that the binaries are larger? |
| 09:35.16 | valdyn | Pheagator: integers are larger, binaries are larger, addresses are larger |
| 09:35.24 | dutchfish | xingu, that depends how the 10% head off works, got that not figured out yet |
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| 09:35.40 | zxxxd | valdyn, how can i see the total ram all processes are using combined |
| 09:35.55 | valdyn | !free |
| 09:35.55 | dutchfish | xingu, if it does not i "maybe" can alter the firmware to do so |
| 09:35.55 | dpkg | [free] defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 09:35.57 | Pheagator | hm, it seems i wasn't aware of it's impact on memory usage. |
| 09:35.59 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 09:35.59 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 09:36.02 | zxxxd | valdyn, i understand linux takes a big portion of ram for I/O page cache |
| 09:36.28 | valdyn | zxxxd: yes, free shows that, as dpkg explained |
| 09:36.36 | xingu | dutchfish: what's the advantage? |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | xingu, i very tempted by good random data in the form of 1TB in 30 min |
| 09:36.44 | xingu | aaah |
| 09:37.14 | xingu | dutchfish: so you're looking to produce an entropy pool rather than blat data |
| 09:37.22 | valdyn | Pheagator: its not really relevant on modern systems, but 512mb ram was already not much at all years ago |
| 09:37.23 | dutchfish | xingu, bingo 2 |
| 09:37.40 | zxxxd | valdyn, what's the difference between cache and buffer |
| 09:37.45 | zxxxd | in free |
| 09:38.03 | valdyn | zxxxd: cache is data that was read once |
| 09:38.10 | Pheagator | i have 512MB on my router/firewall/sandbox now ;-) |
| 09:38.22 | dutchfish | xingu, if this works, its all time dirty cheap |
| 09:38.35 | valdyn | zxxxd: buffer is ram that serves as intermediate fast storage to transfer data in larger chunks |
| 09:39.27 | zxxxd | buffers + cache = gives me exactly the total amount of physical ram i have , so how is it 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. i dont understand |
| 09:39.50 | _ZeuZ_ | Pheagator, I win := |
| 09:39.57 | valdyn | zxxxd: run the free tool, ther free column shows unused ram |
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| 09:40.23 | tyler` | id like to keep my server synced with internet timeservers all the time, *all* i need for this is ntp, correct? |
| 09:40.35 | _ZeuZ_ | Pheagator, Celeron 1600 + 256mb DDR 433 RAM in two sticks, and a 7.3gb Maxtor disk for a 20 users all time router acting server with squid runnig |
| 09:40.37 | valdyn | zxxxd: but caches and buffers are _also_ not used by any app directly and can be used for new applications started |
| 09:40.43 | tyler` | (so ntpd would be for a physical timeserver, not related to keeping *my time* correct, no?) |
| 09:40.55 | xand | tyler`: you need an internet connection too ;) |
| 09:40.59 | tyler` | yes of course ;) |
| 09:41.15 | tyler` | thanks :D |
| 09:41.37 | Pheagator | _ZeuZ_: and how does it work? I would expect it to be OK. but i'm not really modern ;) |
| 09:41.55 | Bushmills | tyler`, wrong. it is for keeping your time too |
| 09:42.02 | xand | tyler`: anyway, both are the same |
| 09:42.15 | tyler` | so installing "ntp" will suffice? |
| 09:42.19 | xand | !why is ntp not in etch |
| 09:42.19 | dpkg | xand: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 09:42.25 | xand | er |
| 09:42.27 | xand | !why is ntp not in testing |
| 09:42.27 | dpkg | ntp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntp |
| 09:42.29 | dutchfish | xingu, i am still in search of an entropy pool (fixed) in the form of > 10TB for the AI i am working on that can be produced within 1 hour and dont need power to hold |
| 09:42.33 | _ZeuZ_ | Pheagator, enough to serve them using 64mb for SQUID in currency memory, and never ever even touched the 0.7X in htops metter ( I know, not that accurated, but that would give you an idea) |
| 09:42.43 | xand | tyler`: yes |
| 09:42.47 | tyler` | right |
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| 09:42.51 | tyler` | i have etch, by the way |
| 09:42.59 | xand | tyler`: but if your clock is way off to start with, you'll need to set it manually (or with ntpdate) first |
| 09:43.06 | tyler` | ah |
| 09:43.10 | tyler` | yeah, thats the problem |
| 09:43.25 | tyler` | but i *wont* need ntp-server, right? |
| 09:43.38 | xand | there's no such package |
| 09:43.42 | tyler` | or, ntpd |
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| 09:43.46 | _ZeuZ_ | also, never even used more than 120mb |
| 09:43.49 | xand | ntp == ntpd |
| 09:43.50 | tyler` | im looking at a tutorial that must be wrong :P |
| 09:43.51 | valdyn | tyler`: the ntp server also keeps your own time correct |
| 09:43.53 | tyler` | oh heh |
| 09:44.01 | tyler` | mmk |
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| 09:44.02 | tyler` | makes sense |
| 09:44.05 | xand | install the "ntp" package |
| 09:44.08 | rking | why would i be able to see a USB device appear in syslog, but then `lsusb` doesn't show it? |
| 09:44.14 | tyler` | right |
| 09:44.15 | alakdan | hi, how do you find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 09:44.20 | xand | rking: try lsusb as root |
| 09:44.29 | valdyn | !tell alakdan -about search |
| 09:44.31 | Bushmills | tyler`, no, you won't need ntp just as much or little as you need accurate computer time |
| 09:44.35 | zxxxd | valdyn, so right now it's using 346776k from 1GB of ram with all the processes i mentioned earlier (everything 32bit) |
| 09:44.42 | xand | alakdan: dpkg -S /path/to/file if it's an installed one |
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| 09:44.44 | rking | xand: ahh, as root! that's exactly the difference. now to figure out why my users can't see the printer... |
| 09:44.47 | zxxxd | should i expect double that if running all in 64bit? |
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| 09:44.54 | valdyn | zxxxd: no |
| 09:45.02 | valdyn | zxxxd: just 15% i guess |
| 09:45.03 | tyler` | Bushmills: i do need it, its quite critical, when its connected to other servers, and the date is a day ahead, it tends to split things :) |
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| 09:45.28 | alakdan | xand, valdyn Thanks a lot for the tip! :) |
| 09:45.32 | valdyn | zxxxd: but the point isnt that 64-bit will take alot, but that 64-bit will not really give you much advantage either with just 1G ram |
| 09:45.50 | Bushmills | tyler`, means to say, the ntp server is what keeps time synchronized |
| 09:45.57 | zxxxd | valdyn, why ? |
| 09:46.02 | tyler` | yeah |
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| 09:46.21 | valdyn | zxxxd: why would 64-bit make something faster? |
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| 09:46.47 | valdyn | zxxxd: ( it actually does, but only sometimes, and usually not because 64>32 |
| 09:46.53 | mauser | you can have a five-lane highway, but its still 100kph |
| 09:47.07 | dutchfish | xingu, after all the opposit of chaos is death |
| 09:47.18 | Bushmills | zxxxd, imagine you eating your soup with a shovel, instead of with a spoon. could you eat twice as fast? |
| 09:47.30 | xingu | tyler`: ntpd's -g command line option deals with large initial step; iburst option deals with rapid convergence. |
| 09:47.31 | zxxxd | valdyn, i will give it only 1GB of ram but it wont need PAE kernel , and be able to address any portion of my ram directly in PV domu |
| 09:47.39 | tyler` | ah k |
| 09:47.40 | valdyn | zxxxd: squid doesnt do stuff that profits from wide addresses |
| 09:47.52 | rking | yeah, that's weird. my recent update (which was the first in a couple months) of lenny/sid now considers my printer to be group 'scanner'. i don't know what it was before but it worked for all users |
| 09:48.01 | valdyn | zxxxd: right |
| 09:48.25 | valdyn | zxxxd: debian kernels ram support goes up to like 3.5 - 3.9G, depending on hardware |
| 09:48.37 | valdyn | zxxxd: (non-pae kernels) |
| 09:48.42 | rking | is there a way to get a shell with a newly-added group other than to log out of X and log back in? (that is, i just did `adduser rking scanner`, and it will show this scanner group if i log in again, but i don't want to) |
| 09:49.08 | tyler` | wow, it seems to have fixed itself after installing ntp and ntpdate with little/no configuration |
| 09:49.09 | Bushmills | rking, su to user |
| 09:49.10 | cahoot | su <user> or gpasswd perhaps |
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| 09:49.18 | xingu | !ntpdate |
| 09:49.18 | tyler` | i peeked at the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | well, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
| 09:49.30 | rking | Bushmills: aha, of course. i used to know that |
| 09:49.33 | tyler` | i ran -g as well hehe |
| 09:49.38 | tyler` | does the above |
| 09:49.43 | xingu | seriously, do not use ntpdate. |
| 09:49.48 | tyler` | ... |
| 09:49.56 | tyler` | i thought i was just told to, heh |
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| 09:50.18 | valdyn | tyler`: ntpd is good, ntpdate can fuck your system up seriously if used wrongly |
| 09:50.20 | dutchfish | ntpdate is like hammering your clock |
| 09:50.24 | tyler` | right |
| 09:50.26 | tyler` | uninstalls |
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| 09:50.35 | tyler` | i see why i wouldnt need it now |
| 09:50.48 | Bushmills | ... which is exactly what you want for initially setting the clock |
| 09:50.52 | tyler` | ... |
| 09:51.10 | tyler` | see when im told multiple things it can get kind of confusing :P |
| 09:51.28 | xingu | Bushmills: ntpdate has no falsetick; it'll cheerfully synchronise with a time source that's wronger than the system's. |
| 09:51.31 | slxix | tyler`: just do the right thing. ;) |
| 09:51.35 | valdyn | tyler`: ntpdate is ok on system startup, but you do not need it |
| 09:51.39 | xingu | ntpdate is always the wrong thing to do. |
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| 09:51.44 | valdyn | tyler`: and its dangerous after system is up |
| 09:51.48 | tyler` | alright |
| 09:51.49 | tyler` | so thats clear |
| 09:51.50 | tyler` | no ntpdate |
| 09:51.52 | tyler` | only ntpd |
| 09:51.55 | tyler` | k. good. |
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| 09:52.08 | Bushmills | tyler`, well, the "no ntpdate" faction is right in a way, but only if their advice is seen out of context with your initial one-day time aberration |
| 09:52.22 | tyler` | heh |
| 09:52.37 | mrynit | is it ok to run non open source software on debian? |
| 09:52.41 | xingu | ntpdate also doesn't really compensate for RTD |
| 09:52.48 | tyler` | yes mrynit |
| 09:53.00 | xingu | someone needs to put a fork in ntpdate - it's done |
| 09:53.02 | slxix | mrynit: debian does have nonfree :) |
| 09:53.22 | mrynit | restricted miniverse |
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| 09:53.31 | Bushmills | mrynit, as debian is free, it won't restrict you to run free software only ... |
| 09:53.45 | Bushmills | was debian to require that, it would not be free |
| 09:53.46 | tyler` | ah here we go |
| 09:53.47 | tyler` | "'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp." |
| 09:53.52 | tyler` | all of that was already done by default :) |
| 09:53.56 | mrynit | i mean it would be against the ethics of debian |
| 09:53.56 | xingu | yes |
| 09:53.58 | tyler` | should i be doing anything else? |
| 09:54.05 | xingu | tyler`: welcome to high quality packaging :) |
| 09:54.09 | tyler` | :) |
| 09:54.18 | tyler` | this is one of the reasons i switched to debian ;) |
| 09:54.19 | xingu | tyler`: only if you mistrust pool time sources |
| 09:54.20 | tyler` | among others |
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| 09:54.24 | tyler` | nah |
| 09:54.38 | tyler` | there arent any specific timeservers id like to use etc |
| 09:54.54 | Wyzard | mrynit: It would be against the ethics of Debian for Debian to impose any sort of ethical restrictions on what users are allowed to run on it :-) |
| 09:54.57 | tyler` | non related, i used centos before, and i had some major problems with repos (mainly version numbers) |
| 09:56.05 | dutchfish | Wyzard, fighting against evolution is a lost battle |
| 09:56.15 | mrynit | i feel less dirty when i run closed souce code on the other debian distro. |
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| 09:56.25 | xingu | tyler`: then you're probably done; application layer acl's are "restrict... " keyword; you can constrain convergence with minpoll/maxpoll on the server lines; (x)ntpd makes it remarkably easy to get it right - which is why it's mildly annoying to see so many cargo-cult howto's telling people how to go so far wrong. |
| 09:56.43 | Wyzard | mrynit: I use VMware in Debian fairly regularly... Debian even has a tool to help with installing it cleanly |
| 09:56.49 | tyler` | ah i see |
| 09:56.51 | tyler` | yeah |
| 09:57.02 | tyler` | the time looks fine now, ntpd seems to be running fine |
| 09:57.08 | tyler` | dunno if it starts at boot or not but ill check |
| 09:57.14 | tyler` | should be it i guess |
| 09:57.20 | fr00g_ | sorry for n00b question, but how can i recognise if a specific interrupt no. is swi or hwi...? |
| 09:57.24 | xingu | tyler`: the most wildly annoying thing about ntpdate is that it doesn't even pretend to regulate the kernel pll (see ntpdc -c kerninfo) |
| 09:57.27 | slxix | dutchfish: i would put it more in the intelligent design category. |
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| 09:57.36 | tyler` | alrighty |
| 09:57.41 | Bushmills | tyler`, ntpq -c peers localhost should give you an idea whether it syncs all-right |
| 09:57.50 | dutchfish | slxix, or that, yes ;) |
| 09:57.58 | tyler` | heh |
| 09:58.07 | tyler` | you know, i could care less how i do it |
| 09:58.13 | tyler` | as long as its the correct/updated way |
| 09:58.15 | tyler` | it doesnt break anything |
| 09:58.18 | tyler` | and what i want gets done |
| 09:58.22 | tyler` | it appears ntpd ahs done the job |
| 09:58.28 | slxix | tyler`: that sounds like caring to me. |
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| 09:58.52 | tyler` | well, it would be obvious i wouldnt want anything broken no? |
| 09:58.52 | slxix | your system is blushing, i'm sure. :) |
| 09:58.57 | tyler` | ;p |
| 09:59.04 | dutchfish | tyler`, thats called ubuntufying |
| 09:59.09 | tyler` | haha |
| 09:59.20 | tyler` | i just dont like being told multiple things ;) |
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| 09:59.25 | tyler` | i would imagine that makes sense |
| 10:00.31 | tyler` | thank you, to all who've helped |
| 10:00.49 | xingu | tyler`: what is non-obvious, is designing a high quality stratum-0 and then configuring (x)ntpd to serve it; if you ever have a need to do this and I'm lurking, come and chat. |
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| 10:00.56 | fr00g_ | sorry for n00b question, but how can i recognise if a specific interrupt no. is swi or hwi...? |
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| 10:01.01 | tyler` | thanks :) |
| 10:01.45 | fr00g_ | sorry again(for repaste) |
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| 10:02.29 | slxix | fr00g_: i don't understand the question. (and i probably wouldn't have any idea on the answer, even if i did.) |
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| 10:03.50 | Bushmills | fr00g_, in software? you could check whether the instruction unter the stacked return address is a CD intnum |
| 10:03.51 | xingu | hmm; debian acpid depends on a deprecated kernel feature (ACPI procfs interface) |
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| 10:04.45 | Bushmills | fr00g_, but easier is probably to have an interrupt handler for each interrupt, thereby knowing by what handler is executed what type it is |
| 10:04.50 | dutchfish | xingu, wrestling myself with that also curently |
| 10:04.59 | fr00g_ | slxix: ok...thnx anyway |
| 10:05.08 | xingu | dutchfish: bts440870 - doubly annoying, it's been bugged since sep'07 |
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| 10:05.33 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, it even mucks up video in xorg |
| 10:05.58 | wols | fr00g_: due to the braindead design of the IBM PC you can't |
| 10:06.12 | fr00g_ | Bushmills: a prog causes this: <0>Kernel panic: No interrupt handler for 22. and i have no debuger on that platform(no emulator neither). |
| 10:06.16 | wols | but how is this a debian question |
| 10:06.45 | wols | fr00g_: what kernel version? |
| 10:06.51 | wols | and what hardware exactly? |
| 10:06.58 | fr00g_ | well, this not a debian question... but i tried as well here |
| 10:06.59 | Bushmills | fr00g_, if it is a program causing it, it is extremely likely that it is a SWI |
| 10:07.04 | wols | fr00g_: then you are OT |
| 10:07.15 | fr00g_ | yes, sorry for OT |
| 10:07.53 | fr00g_ | i tried here, cause i haven't found a proper channel |
| 10:08.01 | valdyn | fr00g_: its a kernel bug. |
| 10:08.14 | valdyn | fr00g_: that program" might just be triggering it |
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| 10:09.04 | fr00g_ | it's kernel 2.4.20(cause i am not able to run any other one on that platform) |
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| 10:09.59 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.16 | rking | Bushmills, xand: thanks, I am on my way to a solution now. |
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| 10:11.13 | fr00g_ | oh, thank you all |
| 10:12.18 | fr00g_ | so it could be a hwi? |
| 10:12.34 | valdyn | fr00g_: i bet it is, since 22 is in that rage |
| 10:12.36 | valdyn | fr00g_: i bet it is, since 22 is in that range |
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| 10:13.33 | valdyn | fr00g_: is that program run as root or as a user? |
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| 10:15.49 | Bushmills | fr00g_, is that decimal 22? as in hex 16? |
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| 10:17.13 | fr00g_ | valdyn: well, i don't login at all(it is uclinux on h8 arch... as already mentioned i'm OT).. i can do all the root stuff... |
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| 10:18.12 | fr00g_ | Bushmills: i guess iit is decimal... i got no debugger there... and get only that error, i have already showed |
| 10:18.25 | Bushmills | fr00g_, i guess you're trying to run a program which assumes presence of a PC BIOS, which the hitachi based systems don't have. |
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| 10:18.51 | Bushmills | and that program want to call a BIOS service function, for keyboard I/O |
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| 10:19.31 | Bushmills | fr00g_, in that case, you probably want a PC BIOS emulator. |
| 10:19.42 | fr00g_ | i'm almost sure it is cause of statfs |
| 10:19.54 | xingu | fr00g_: not much help, but this is exactly one of the improvements in 2.6 - the irq stack has been redesigned and now deals with screaming and unowned interrupts. |
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| 10:20.23 | fr00g_ | i try to use this function to get the free blocks... (there is only flash mem) |
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| 10:21.09 | Bushmills | fr00g_, what H8 model, btw? |
| 10:21.37 | fr00g_ | Bushmills: does the statfs assumes presence of a PC BIOS? |
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| 10:21.59 | fr00g_ | Bushmills: edosk-2674 |
| 10:22.04 | Bushmills | fr00g_, i'd be surprised if it did |
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| 10:23.23 | Bushmills | fr00g_, int 0x16 is handled by PC BIOS, to provide keyboard interface functions |
| 10:23.37 | wols | Bushmills: no |
| 10:23.52 | mne | hi guys. I would like bind a script to an ssh login so that instead of a shell, the logged in user will be able to use the script only. Using the script as login shell is no good idea since it would be easy to execute arbitrary commands. do you guys have a solution for this ? |
| 10:24.27 | wols | Bushmills: well you're right in a way but it only applies to real mode which linux is not using |
| 10:24.48 | wols | int 16h is a APIC IRQ |
| 10:24.53 | Bushmills | wols, this is uclinux |
| 10:25.14 | xingu | mne: sshd(8): AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT |
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| 10:25.39 | wols | and all low irqs are doubly used: by BIOS and by the hardware. which is why I said IBM fucked up when it designed it all |
| 10:25.41 | enouf | xingu: let me ask you a silly question please ;-) How hard would it be to get tools/utils designed for linux but on SGI Altix 3000/4000 (and maybe IRIX ?) to work on i386/amd64 arches ?? Case in point http://www.nacad.ufrj.br/sgi/007-4639-008/sgi_html/pr02.html |
| 10:25.43 | dutchfish | does anyone know how i can use AMT serial over lan under debian? |
| 10:26.00 | mne | xingu, thanks |
| 10:26.39 | enouf | xingu: specifically http://www.nacad.ufrj.br/sgi/007-4639-008/sgi_html/ch05.html#Z1188412424tls and below on that page |
| 10:27.14 | xingu | enouf: from memory altix is sysv-y; irix mostly is but has some weird bsd-isms; the real challenge for SGI source is that right up until maybe a year or so before they hit the skids, SGI were making it nigh-on impossible to bootstrap GCC on their platform so a lot of source and makefiles is infested with SGI cc-isms. |
| 10:27.25 | wols | enouf: while I don't really remember the name stuff like this has already been written for "normal" linux |
| 10:27.59 | xingu | enouf: and yes, there's already a taskset for linux |
| 10:28.08 | enouf | wols: yes, taskset is here, sure, been so for a while ... but like profile.pl and others |
| 10:28.13 | wols | altix runs linux. but it's a bit special: NUMA, gigantic RAM and oodles of CPUs |
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| 10:29.07 | xingu | wols: and from the looks of things, rt-patchset; which has its own instrumentation for things like that |
| 10:29.13 | enouf | xingu: yes, i'm aware - just wanted to learn a bit from reading and applying but, as you see, many things do not apply - thank you for the reply |
| 10:30.01 | xingu | enouf: you'll probably find that the oprofile suite can get you fairly close to where you want to go |
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| 10:30.14 | enouf | xingu: i am also aware of the fake-numa availability for x86_64 (and other 64? .. hrm) |
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| 10:30.28 | enouf | xingu: ok, thank you - thanks wols |
| 10:30.52 | micky | hello, could someone point me to the application / helper that debian includes for module compilation ? |
| 10:31.15 | enouf | right, now we know where all those iTaniums are used :-P |
| 10:31.23 | xingu | indeed :) |
| 10:31.29 | valdyn | micky: module-assistant |
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| 10:31.37 | micky | valdyn thanks |
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| 10:32.50 | fr00g_ | oh, thank you all again. it was learnful taked with you |
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| 10:34.05 | xingu | enouf: hobson's choice - ia64, or r14k |
| 10:34.07 | mne | xingu, hmm, it doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 10:34.25 | mne | xingu, I would like to bind a serial port to that user/ssh key |
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| 10:34.55 | xingu | mne: you'll need to log in using "ssh user@host /permitted/command" |
| 10:35.04 | Bushmills | give mne an end of string |
| 10:35.18 | bolt | gah. anyone know of something which will vaguely replicate the surround upmixing of 2.1 sound sources to 7.1 sound which the windows drivers for some newer sound cards can do? i use this box for music, and i really like the effect, and i don't want to go back to just mirroring the stereo channels in the side and rear speakers |
| 10:35.25 | mne | end of string ? :P |
| 10:35.45 | mne | xingu, already tried that. but no interactive serial line session is opened. hmm |
| 10:35.45 | Bushmills | can bind almost anything to anything with string |
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| 10:36.17 | mne | Bushmills, i'm currently using socat. it can bind anything to anything as well. pretty cool tool |
| 10:37.03 | dutchfish | can it do iAMTRedirection ? |
| 10:37.21 | enouf | xingu: congratulations :-P , now i feel like an idiot, no wikipedia entry for hobson, nor r14k |
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| 10:37.45 | error404notfound | does anyone here have postfix installed? what's the name of its init script? |
| 10:37.55 | enouf | (well, no relevant ones, i can quickly see) |
| 10:38.07 | Bushmills | error404notfound, startup script is "postfix" |
| 10:38.17 | mne | xingu, for the user the login shell is /bin/false. In the authorized keys I added a command="/home/user/bin/script.sh". Then I'm connecting with "ssh user@host /home/user/bin/script.sh" which just exits :( |
| 10:38.26 | xingu | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson's_choice |
| 10:38.53 | error404notfound | also can anyone tell me the most common software with the name of its startup file for the following purposes: web server(its apache? isn't it?) ftp (proftpd?) smtp, imap, ssh(openssh-server?) pop3 |
| 10:39.11 | xingu | enouf: r14k is another infamously hot, late, and slow part. |
| 10:39.18 | enouf | xingu: you'd think they'd list Thomas there, where i was :-P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson |
| 10:39.35 | xingu | enouf: ie r14000 mips cpu |
| 10:39.38 | enouf | xingu: that part, i almost got ;-P |
| 10:39.41 | enouf | ahh |
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| 10:40.35 | enouf | "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" </Rush> "Freewill" ;-) |
| 10:41.03 | enouf | "I will choose a purpose clear, i will choose free will" :-O |
| 10:41.10 | dutchfish | !tell error404notfound about search |
| 10:41.22 | Bushmills | error404notfound, you can find out yourself here: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php |
| 10:41.23 | xingu | does the 2.6.25.8 thing |
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| 10:41.41 | error404notfound | Bushmills: thanks |
| 10:42.11 | dutchfish | does ketchup |
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| 10:43.32 | \amethyst | enouf: I thought that was "path that's clear" |
| 10:43.35 | enouf | should crave pancakes, but desires pizza :-P |
| 10:43.40 | theholyduck | hmm, i did a dist-upgrade yesterday, and when i booted today, i had no 3d support (sid) |
| 10:43.50 | theholyduck | even if the nvidia driver starts |
| 10:44.09 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm .. i play guitar anyways .. not a lyricist :-P |
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| 10:44.29 | enouf | \amethyst: almost positive at one verse he says purpose |
| 10:44.31 | theholyduck | and i honestly cant find anything related amd BROKEN, other than the fact that 3d isnt working |
| 10:44.34 | theholyduck | *and |
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| 10:45.03 | \amethyst | theholyduck: could you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.log.0 ? |
| 10:45.08 | theholyduck | sure |
| 10:45.48 | enouf | \amethyst: gawd, that album cover still makes me randi :-P |
| 10:46.15 | theholyduck | it also broke debian today when i did dist-upgrade to try and fix it, but im not too worried about that |
| 10:46.19 | theholyduck | err* xchat not debia |
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| 10:46.50 | enouf | \amethyst: yep, you're correct, 'path' |
| 10:46.53 | hatter | should beryl still be working fine on etch ? |
| 10:47.20 | theholyduck | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/1052872 |
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| 10:47.56 | theholyduck | oops :P |
| 10:48.28 | theholyduck | but the glx parts dont seem particularly broken to me |
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| 10:49.14 | mne | xingu, it works now. i had the authorized keys options in the wrong place. (after the key instead of in front of the key). thanks |
| 10:49.21 | \amethyst | theholyduck: hm, I do see "Failed to initialize", but not really any explanation |
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| 10:49.58 | \amethyst | theholyduck: perhaps the nvidia drivers got upgraded but the old modules are loaded? |
| 10:50.10 | \amethyst | theholyduck: did the kernel get upgraded, and if so have you rebooted? |
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| 10:50.40 | theholyduck | im using the same old self compiled kernel, and self compiled nvidia |
| 10:50.45 | theholyduck | but i can try recompiling nvidia |
| 10:50.48 | \amethyst | theholyduck: hm |
| 10:50.58 | theholyduck | the nvidia drivers LOAD though, it displays its logo and everything |
| 10:51.13 | \amethyst | theholyduck: does your nvidia-kernel version match your nvidia-glx version? |
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| 10:51.49 | theholyduck | i compiled nvidia from the drivers directly from nvidia website |
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| 10:52.11 | \amethyst | then I have no idea |
| 10:52.25 | \amethyst | wait |
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| 10:52.41 | theholyduck | hmm. did sid stop using xen in its kernel? |
| 10:52.48 | theholyduck | since the nvidia glx packages are back? |
| 10:53.01 | Eulex | did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 10:53.10 | theholyduck | Eulex: did not |
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| 10:53.20 | theholyduck | i compiled my own kernel without xen to use the nvdia drivers |
| 10:53.22 | theholyduck | like a month ago |
| 10:53.27 | theholyduck | and im still using that |
| 10:53.30 | wols | theholyduck: #nvidia |
| 10:53.41 | wols | sid has had nvidia drivers for a looong time |
| 10:53.45 | \amethyst | theholyduck: hm, if you installed from the nvidia site, then you probably replaced /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 10:53.46 | theholyduck | wols: yes, |
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| 10:53.55 | theholyduck | \amethyst: il try reinstalling the drivers |
| 10:54.04 | theholyduck | wols: but it broke nvidia support |
| 10:54.06 | Eulex | yes, and if he then upgraded mesa that'd overwrite libGL.so again |
| 10:54.08 | theholyduck | with the 2.6.25 kernels |
| 10:54.15 | \amethyst | yup |
| 10:54.16 | theholyduck | by using xen |
| 10:54.20 | \amethyst | what Eulex said |
| 10:54.22 | flami | Hi, Im trying out KDE 4 from experimental , but i cant figure out how to get into administrator mode to e.g. change the KDM theme. |
| 10:54.32 | theholyduck | \amethyst: yeah /me goes to recompile nvida |
| 10:54.35 | wols | !kde4 |
| 10:54.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in ... |
| 10:54.55 | Eulex | flami, #debian-kde |
| 10:54.58 | flami | k |
| 10:55.00 | \amethyst | theholyduck: I take it 169.12 isn't new enough? |
| 10:55.05 | flami | thanks |
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| 10:55.10 | \amethyst | oh wait |
| 10:55.13 | \amethyst | it's 173.14.09 now |
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| 10:55.18 | wols | Ametrine: for someone who runs sid, of course not |
| 10:55.28 | theholyduck | :P |
| 10:55.30 | \amethyst | I don't know what the latest nvidia drivers are |
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| 10:55.41 | theholyduck | \amethyst: well it still doesnt solve the problem that the default debian kernels has xen |
| 10:55.42 | Eulex | but yeah, unstable was stuck on 169.12 for some time |
| 10:55.44 | theholyduck | unless nvidia fixed taht |
| 10:55.48 | _Brandon_ | anyone has problem with the latest update of bash-completion in sid? seems that it works for apt-get but not for ls/cd |
| 10:56.01 | hyppias | x |
| 10:56.04 | \amethyst | theholyduck: you can use debian's nvidia-kernel-source with a custom-compiled kernel |
| 10:56.15 | theholyduck | \amethyst: yeah. i guess |
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| 10:56.49 | theholyduck | goes to do that |
| 10:57.31 | theholyduck | well im not planning on upgrading my kernel until debian or nvidia sorts out its issues and let me use nvidia on a default debian kernel |
| 10:57.54 | \amethyst | theholyduck: Debian's nvidia-kernel-source has had a patch for 2.6.25 and xen support for about a month |
| 10:57.59 | \amethyst | theholyduck: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_173.14.09-1/changelog |
| 10:58.05 | theholyduck | \amethyst: really? |
| 10:58.07 | theholyduck | :O |
| 10:58.13 | theholyduck | i guess i need to pay better attention |
| 10:58.16 | \amethyst | theholyduck: I can't attest to its working, since I don't have an nvidia card |
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| 10:58.32 | tengulre | how to known current eth device linking information? for example, which ip linking ?? |
| 10:59.04 | simonrvn | _Brandon_: bash-completion (20080617.1) unstable; urgency=medium * Urgency set to medium because the package is currently unusable. - fixed some typos here and there which prevented bash completions at all (Closes: #487441). # from the changelog. next time, check the BTS first |
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| 11:00.05 | _Brandon_ | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 11:00.06 | theholyduck | \amethyst: i guess it is |
| 11:00.14 | theholyduck | reboots to stock kernel and install nvidia |
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| 11:00.51 | simonrvn | you're lucky i was just running an update now ;) |
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| 11:03.43 | GuySoft | hi all, how can i make debian add an extra mount command in the initramfs? |
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| 11:05.33 | dutchfish | GuySoft, fstab? |
| 11:05.49 | dutchfish | GuySoft, just a wild gues |
| 11:06.53 | dutchfish | GuySoft, unless you are using squashfs |
| 11:07.06 | bolt | anyone know of something which will vaguely replicate the surround upmixing of 2.1 sound sources to 7.1 sound which the windows drivers for some newer sound cards can do? i use this box for music, and i really like the effect, and i don't want to go back to just mirroring the stereo channels in the side and rear speakers, but i really want to ditch windows on this box as well |
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| 11:08.56 | theholyduck | there we go |
| 11:08.58 | theholyduck | its ALIVE! |
| 11:09.02 | theholyduck | thanks \amethyst |
| 11:09.08 | \amethyst | theholyduck: it works? |
| 11:09.16 | \amethyst | theholyduck: yay |
| 11:09.18 | theholyduck | now..time to wait for somebody to fix xchat in sid |
| 11:09.37 | GuySoft | dutchfish, i need fstab to mount /etc/fstab thats the problem |
| 11:09.49 | theholyduck | or alternativly i could "dick" around to fix it |
| 11:09.53 | hyppias | networkManager or wicd ? |
| 11:09.53 | cahoot | bolt: aplay -L lists surround71? |
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| 11:10.00 | theholyduck | but who needs xchat anyway |
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| 11:10.19 | dutchfish | GuySoft, did you delve into debian-live how they do it? |
| 11:10.35 | GuySoft | dutchfish, i didnt know they did so |
| 11:10.40 | bolt | cahoot: yep |
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| 11:11.08 | GuySoft | dustybin, i was hoping through for a more simple aproch. something in the generation of initramfs |
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| 11:12.21 | GuySoft | dutchfish, debianlive uses the isolinux boot.. its a different thing altogether |
| 11:12.32 | cahoot | bolt: (I'm on thin ice here but...) see if you can get you soundapp to output to alsa:plug:surround71 or such |
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| 11:12.55 | derouter | hello |
| 11:13.02 | bolt | cahoot: thing is, i don't just want to replicate the front channel, i want that fancy figuring-out-what-sounds-good-in-the-surround-speakers algorithm i can get from the windows drivers for my m-audio 7.1 and my x-fi. both have such a feature. they end up playing some drums and cymbals in the rear speakers, but not the rest of the music. and in this room, it sounds great. |
| 11:13.08 | dutchfish | GuySoft, maybe you can load by squashfs and then within that use fstab |
| 11:13.09 | derouter | how do i set the default application to open a file type ? |
| 11:13.26 | Bushmills | derouter, can you repeat that, please? |
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| 11:13.42 | derouter | i need help |
| 11:13.42 | cahoot | bolt: ok - out of my league |
| 11:13.51 | dutchfish | GuySoft, i am not so clear what you try to aproach |
| 11:13.59 | GuySoft | dutchfish, all i really need is for the initramfs to run a single 'mount' command.. |
| 11:14.04 | Bushmills | yes, that's evident |
| 11:14.06 | bolt | cahoot: mine too, i think. i'm afraid my jukebox will have to remain on windows :( |
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| 11:14.18 | bolt | cahoot: been googling all day, no such setup |
| 11:14.27 | bolt | ..on linux, anyway |
| 11:14.36 | derouter | how do i set the default application to open a given file type ? |
| 11:14.36 | GuySoft | dutchfish, the way i am trying to do this , is to find if its possible to insert such a command during the mkinitramfs |
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| 11:15.11 | xingu | well I'll be... |
| 11:15.15 | dutchfish | GuySoft, maybe by mounting cramfs and adding your mounts, i dont know if that can be done |
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| 11:15.27 | derouter | lol cramfs |
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| 11:15.38 | xingu | pulls a wire and syncs up at 8Mbit |
| 11:15.57 | GuySoft | dutchfish, it doesnt matter if its cramfs, or a loopback device, or a real drive.. i need to mount it somehow :) |
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| 11:16.38 | dutchfish | GuySoft, then zcat our initrd |
| 11:16.51 | dutchfish | GuySoft, and hack it |
| 11:17.00 | dutchfish | GuySoft, i see no other way |
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| 11:17.43 | GuySoft | dutchfish, i was hoping that there is a place to insert misc commands in update-initrmafs. and then no hacking is needed |
| 11:17.44 | dutchfish | derouter, dont laugh i am stillusing it on 2.4 |
| 11:17.58 | s4br3 | Hi, I can't get my soundcard workig. After many days trying I have lost touch. My error messages of alsamixer and aplay and lspci can be seen at http://paste.debian.net/7157/ Thanks for any tip on how to proceed! I have one built in card and a SB Live (I am not sure which). |
| 11:18.27 | dutchfish | GuySoft, maybe yaird or some other tool |
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| 11:19.03 | derouter | how do i set the default application to open a given file type ? |
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| 11:19.37 | dutchfish | !tell derouter about mimetype |
| 11:19.47 | dutchfish | mmm |
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| 11:20.17 | dutchfish | derouter, if you are on gnome you have a fancy tool to alter mimetypes |
| 11:20.26 | derouter | what is it ? |
| 11:20.30 | Legality | hi, any ideas what process is the process loop4? It seems to be causing a lot of disk io wait |
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| 11:21.05 | derouter | what is the gnome tool for mimetypes ? |
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| 11:22.51 | dutchfish | derouter, under nautilus, right click on your file and adjust "open with" |
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| 11:23.13 | derouter | wha'ts nautilus ? |
| 11:23.14 | \amethyst | Legality: it's a kernel process handling a loop mount |
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| 11:23.21 | dutchfish | !nautilus |
| 11:23.21 | dpkg | i guess nautilus is a file manager for GNOME, if you get 'paper' icons for everything, install gnome-icon-theme |
| 11:23.39 | derouter | it doesn't change default behaviour |
| 11:23.41 | dutchfish | the one that lists your files under gnome |
| 11:23.42 | derouter | it doesn't change default behaviour |
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| 11:23.57 | \amethyst | Legality: you can type mount | grep /dev/loop/4 to see where it's being mounted, and what file it's being mounted from |
| 11:24.28 | Legality | hmm.. I got no output from that command |
| 11:24.39 | \amethyst | Legality: hm |
| 11:25.25 | dutchfish | derouter, its under preferences when you right click then tab open with |
| 11:25.29 | derouter | thanks |
| 11:25.31 | \amethyst | Legality: losetup -a then |
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| 11:25.59 | \amethyst | Legality: that won't tell you where it's mounted, but it should at least tell you what file it corresponds to |
| 11:26.16 | Legality | mm.. losetup: invalid option -- a |
| 11:26.37 | enouf | hrm, any friggin reason i have a bucnh of seemingly normal binaries in my ~/bin dir? i cannot recall putting them there intentionally - here's the list http://pastebin.ca/raw/1052894 - i even searched dpkg logs and dates of installs, and found nothing for that date/time .. and naturally, i don't recall anything special - does thet group of binaries look familiar as a group? like maybe a cpio'd initrd? |
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| 11:26.59 | Legality | ok |
| 11:27.02 | \amethyst | Legality: oh, I guess that was added after etch |
| 11:27.08 | Legality | \amethyst: I found it, xen disk.img |
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| 11:27.32 | enouf | oh great, perl ignored the $ Fields |
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| 11:28.29 | dutchfish | enouf, did you install .udeb's in the past by "accident" ? |
| 11:29.23 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm .. i play with all sorts of stuff ;-) unpacking udebs, maybe at one time, but why there? .. hmm |
| 11:29.26 | cb3rob2 | eww >8 usernames. :/ |
| 11:29.34 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
| 11:29.54 | cb3rob2 | and what looks like some sorta busybox based rootkit |
| 11:30.06 | enouf | dutchfish: i should compare the sizes too, the their usual counterparts in /bin etc |
| 11:30.26 | dutchfish | enouf, and cb3rob2 maybe also right |
| 11:30.35 | abhinay | I am having hfsplus partition, is it ok to enable journaling or should i keep disable it ? |
| 11:30.42 | dutchfish | brb |
| 11:30.45 | cb3rob2 | if it was busybox those other files would be symlinks after all |
| 11:30.50 | cb3rob2 | but these are tiny binaries.. |
| 11:31.04 | enouf | ahh s ls -l ~/bin | awk '{ print $6,$7,$8 }' <-- much better |
| 11:31.06 | cb3rob2 | look like dosomethingnastyhere -> system ("bla"); |
| 11:31.52 | reZo | anyone know if geforce 7900 gt is PCIE x16 or x2? |
| 11:31.58 | enouf | hrm ... i don't scare too easily - and i know you're jealous of that username ;-) |
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| 11:32.01 | wols | enouf: debsums |
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| 11:32.06 | enouf | wols: right |
| 11:32.14 | enouf | thanks wols |
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| 11:34.04 | cb3rob2 | enouf: oh well.. at least my accounts don't have random binary replacements popping up in them hehe :P |
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| 11:35.01 | enouf | cb3rob2: no replacements, ~/bin has never been in my path |
| 11:35.32 | cb3rob2 | enouf: did you tell the kiddie that tried to root you on 1008-01-29 that ? :P |
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| 11:35.41 | cb3rob2 | 2008 even |
| 11:36.24 | julian__ | hi... i've installed debian lenny on my new machine. now i want to connect from my old system to the new system with ssh2 without a password. i use a rsa key without pass for it. i copied the pubkey in authorized_keys on my new system. but if i want to connect, it ask me for a password again. on my other machines (all with debian etch) the key works fine... what can i do? whats wrong? |
| 11:36.41 | enouf | sure, have fun with it .. no worries. ;-) just remember it well in the future {:.:} |
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| 11:37.34 | simonrvn | i *hate* it when people ask a question and leave right after... |
| 11:38.25 | enouf | anybody read Italiano? ;-) http://www.nntp.it/6804841-post6.html |
| 11:39.00 | cb3rob2 | italiano isn't that hard to decrypt. |
| 11:39.02 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:39.26 | s4br3 | simonrvn: I waited 20 min for any response... |
| 11:39.46 | simonrvn | people with no patience |
| 11:40.07 | enouf | apologies, i meant post 7 http://www.nntp.it/6804841-post6.html |
| 11:40.11 | simonrvn | try waiting 200 years, then we'll talk |
| 11:40.13 | enouf | gah!! |
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| 11:40.38 | enouf | http://www.nntp.it/6806425-post7.html <-- Se7en :-p |
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| 11:41.07 | dutchfish | simonrvn, then you need to talk to my grand-grand-son hwo needs to invent timetravel so i can get an answer, np |
| 11:41.29 | slxix | just put your broken package in a time capsule. :) |
| 11:41.49 | cb3rob2 | put a computer with that |
| 11:41.52 | cb3rob2 | to run it on. |
| 11:41.52 | dutchfish | slxix, but send it wich direction? ;) |
| 11:41.54 | simonrvn | no need, oral history works ;) |
| 11:42.04 | enouf | dutchfish: really looks like an initrd's /bin contents |
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| 11:42.18 | dutchfish | simonrvn, now thats where you are wrong, its biased |
| 11:43.06 | s4br3 | enouf: 2.6.8-3-686-smp ? |
| 11:43.08 | simonrvn | so says who? |
| 11:43.11 | dutchfish | enouf, i would be paranoid |
| 11:43.12 | enouf | dutchfish: it is ;-) .. i found the real extracted initrd on my other disk ;-) |
| 11:43.46 | enouf | s4br3: actually, no .. but similar, why? |
| 11:44.15 | wols | simonrvn: some wait 500 years by now |
| 11:44.15 | s4br3 | enouf: That is what it said in you pastebin. Copy and paste |
| 11:45.11 | enouf | s4br3: you mean the followup URLs i posted? post 7 and such? |
| 11:45.24 | s4br3 | Yes. |
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| 11:45.59 | simonrvn | is afk and gone for the day |
| 11:46.49 | enouf | well, i do have; initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686.bak initrd.img-2.6.18-4-speakup-686 initrd.img-2.6.18-4-speakup-686.bak initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 11:47.20 | enouf | which i've extracted each of at various times, and mounted some, etc |
| 11:47.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:47.56 | Ace2016 | is there something like xev but for lirc? |
| 11:48.17 | s4br3 | ok, i tend to delete quite rapidly |
| 11:48.21 | enouf | Ace2016: is that considered usb? |
| 11:48.35 | enouf | s4br3: yeah, i need to clean house a bit ;-) |
| 11:48.46 | enouf | s4br3: but i'm an explorer :-P |
| 11:48.48 | Ace2016 | no it plugs into the dvb card |
| 11:49.18 | s4br3 | an explorer with old images? ;) |
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| 11:49.25 | Ace2016 | hey the mute button worked |
| 11:49.28 | enouf | yeah, i know it's infrared ,but , oh well |
| 11:49.42 | enouf | s4br3: made differently |
| 11:49.53 | s4br3 | ok :) |
| 11:50.02 | enouf | s4br3: so considered antiques and relics :-P |
| 11:51.54 | simonrvn | eh, too late to make the bus... got another 15 - 20 min to putz around |
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| 11:53.32 | simonrvn | wols: i was refering to such things as the scalping law still on the books in "nove scotia", and repealing it |
| 11:53.57 | theholyduck | and there is a place down by the river, and you know, they call it the bitter end! |
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| 11:54.02 | theholyduck | THERE IS NO TOMORROW! |
| 11:54.13 | simonrvn | right. |
| 11:54.23 | theholyduck | basicly yeah |
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| 11:54.45 | simonrvn | pats theholyduck on the head |
| 11:54.51 | theholyduck | heh |
| 11:54.54 | theholyduck | im listening to madrugad |
| 11:54.56 | theholyduck | *madrugada |
| 11:55.48 | theholyduck | "and all the things she grants me, freedom is not among those things, and freedom is by no means free. well this is where it all begins, begins to stretch and part. if we were to be changing thing, i would'nt know where to start. i just want to sail away |
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| 11:55.52 | theholyduck | frooomiiitaaaaaal |
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| 11:56.05 | theholyduck | freeedom is impossible, well this i know. |
| 11:56.09 | theholyduck | is bored |
| 11:56.14 | slxix | you're off key, too. |
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| 11:57.01 | theholyduck | anyone got anything fun to do? |
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| 11:57.14 | s4br3 | enouf: any talents with sounds? mine is dead since a week |
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| 11:57.59 | enouf | s4br3: why did it die? |
| 11:58.28 | cahoot | and - did it die - really? |
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| 11:58.47 | _apk | hi! :) |
| 11:58.51 | enouf | s4br3: what debian release are you running? |
| 11:58.53 | s4br3 | enouf: when I tried to fix it for all users... only two of five users had sound |
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| 11:59.31 | enouf | s4br3: why did you have to fix it? who broke it? |
| 12:00.04 | s4br3 | enouf: I guess I broke it myself. I run Debian Sid |
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| 12:00.22 | enouf | !fix s4br3 |
| 12:00.22 | dpkg | takes s4br3 to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 12:00.30 | cahoot | all users member of audio group? |
| 12:00.31 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 12:00.57 | enouf | cahoot: that'd be way way too easy :-P |
| 12:01.03 | s4br3 | cahoot: yes |
| 12:01.25 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 12:01.26 | cahoot | run speaker-test -t wav in a term - error? |
| 12:01.50 | enouf | see 6) :-P |
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| 12:04.36 | s4br3 | cahoot: that gave a long list |
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| 12:05.12 | cahoot | s4br3: error obviously? |
| 12:05.23 | s4br3 | cahoot: here are some other while I try to paste these too |
| 12:05.39 | cahoot | s4br3: no .asoundrc messing things up by chance? |
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| 12:06.56 | s4br3 | cahoot: "cat: .asoundrc: No such file or directory" |
| 12:07.23 | cahoot | s4br3: no ~/.asoundrc* |
| 12:07.27 | cahoot | ? |
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| 12:07.54 | NinjaMan | I have a SAMBA PDC and I am trying to join the domain from a windows 2K machine but it says "Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password" - but I am using my unix root credentials. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? |
| 12:08.27 | \amethyst | NinjaMan: you probably have invalid users = root in your samba config |
| 12:08.32 | s4br3 | cahoot: cat: /home/user1/.asoundrc*: No such file or directory" |
| 12:08.41 | \amethyst | NinjaMan: (that's the default) |
| 12:08.41 | cahoot | ok |
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| 12:09.36 | cahoot | s4br3: try alsa force-reload (as root) |
| 12:09.46 | cahoot | s4br3: error? |
| 12:10.32 | s4br3 | cahoot: Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 12:10.44 | s4br3 | oops :/ |
| 12:10.51 | NinjaMan | \amethyst: I just commented the line out (and restarted SAMBA), but I still get the same error |
| 12:11.24 | \amethyst | NinjaMan: what about uncommenting it and changing it to invalid users = |
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| 12:11.42 | cahoot | s4br3: what sound card? |
| 12:11.52 | \amethyst | NinjaMan: if that doesn't fix, I'm not sure. You might try #samba in addition to this channel |
| 12:12.07 | enouf | is he even using alsa? and root works - just a few users are foobared |
| 12:12.24 | s4br3 | cahoot: One built in (Intel I guess from the lspci -v) and one SoundBlaster Live 24-bit |
| 12:12.40 | cahoot | so two? |
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| 12:12.58 | s4br3 | cahoot: Yes. |
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| 12:13.05 | enouf | any /etc/asoundconf file? |
| 12:13.09 | tymonn | howdy |
| 12:13.15 | tymonn | hello enouf :) |
| 12:13.24 | enouf | hola |
| 12:13.34 | tymonn | :) |
| 12:13.45 | s4br3 | enouf: no /etc/asound |
| 12:13.52 | s4br3 | enouf: no /etc/asoundconf |
| 12:14.09 | tymonn | could anyone tell me their sources.list? :) |
| 12:14.13 | NinjaMan | \amethyst: alas that did not work, I will try the #samba channel - thx for your help |
| 12:14.18 | tymonn | debian sid |
| 12:14.34 | enouf | !tell tymonn -about source.list |
| 12:14.39 | enouf | !tell tymonn -about sources.list |
| 12:14.52 | cahoot | s4br3: try modprobe snd-ca0106 (I think that's what the SB wants) |
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| 12:15.14 | cYmen | does it make sense to create a lvm and then use it as 'physical volume for encryption' or is that pointless? |
| 12:15.21 | enouf | tymonn: /msg dpkg non-free {and /msg dpkg contrib} |
| 12:15.37 | s4br3 | cahoot: FATAL: Module snd_ca0106 not found. FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ca0106 |
| 12:16.02 | tymonn | :) |
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| 12:16.06 | cahoot | made you own kernel? |
| 12:16.11 | valdyn | cYmen: you can do that |
| 12:16.45 | cYmen | valdyn: the question is: is it e.g. pointless because cryptovolumes cannot be resized anyway or sth like that |
| 12:16.57 | s4br3 | cahoot: I tried to roll my own drivers, but not the kernel. |
| 12:17.03 | valdyn | cYmen: i dont know if they can be resized |
| 12:17.12 | valdyn | cYmen: but due to lvm they can be moved around |
| 12:17.22 | valdyn | cYmen: or snapshotted |
| 12:17.23 | cahoot | you mean you self compiled alsa? |
| 12:17.30 | s4br3 | cahoot: yes |
| 12:17.34 | enouf | s4br3: so, only a few certain USERs have issues, but not other USERs and not root? |
| 12:17.53 | cahoot | s4br3: so in effect you cleaned out kernels alsa |
| 12:17.56 | s4br3 | enouf: root is mute too |
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| 12:18.18 | s4br3 | enouf: and as of a week, all users are mute |
| 12:18.34 | cYmen | valdyn: tnx |
| 12:18.40 | cahoot | obviously since you don't have any working alsa |
| 12:18.48 | enouf | s4br3: did it ever work for All users and root? |
| 12:19.06 | valdyn | cYmen: lvm makes moving data to new hardware trivial, which can be neat |
| 12:19.06 | s4br3 | cahoot: I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting extensively, as someone from debian.org recommended it |
| 12:19.36 | cahoot | I see |
| 12:19.38 | valdyn | cYmen: s/data/any volume/ |
| 12:19.45 | s4br3 | enouf: It worked a week ago for two out of five users. |
| 12:20.31 | cahoot | s4br3: if it worked even only for root it can't be alsa at fault |
| 12:20.56 | enouf | s4br3: and do you see some relationship between either Upgrading and Breakage? or you added a Sound Card and it broke? or you Compiled drivers and installed thoose and it broke? |
| 12:21.01 | cahoot | i e that's no reason reinstalling alsa |
| 12:21.25 | s4br3 | cahoot: I never tried it for root, IIRC |
| 12:21.46 | enouf | s4br3: 2 out of 5 plus root? .. oh ok |
| 12:21.50 | cahoot | no matter - if it worked for one user alsa is ok |
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| 12:22.00 | enouf | yep |
| 12:22.03 | s4br3 | cahoot: One learns everyday |
| 12:22.14 | s4br3 | the hard way |
| 12:22.16 | s4br3 | :) |
| 12:22.30 | cYmen | valdyn: i'm just stacking raid5, lvm, and encryption in the installer...it gets confusing quickly :) |
| 12:22.50 | Eulex | s4br3, are the users in the audio group? |
| 12:23.12 | s4br3 | A week ago I bought a new computer, and moved the harddrive from the old to the new, which had these two "unknown" soundcards. So, I wanted to fix it for all users... |
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| 12:27.47 | s4br3 | Eulex: all are members of cdrom floppy audio video plugdev games powerdev |
| 12:28.57 | valdyn | s4br3: you are confused by your sound app picking the other soundcard when 1st one is already in used or something like that |
| 12:29.52 | Eulex | s4br3, I recommend (1) reinstalling your kernel and cleaning out any alsa stuff you compiled yourself (2) running alsaconf |
| 12:30.07 | s4br3 | valdyn: No, alsamixer says: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 12:30.35 | valdyn | s4br3: yea, now that you removed all drivers, but before that |
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| 12:31.25 | s4br3 | Eulex: I reinstalled once. alsaconf doesn't find my card... "No supported PnP or PCI card found" |
| 12:31.52 | Eulex | s4br3, then go look at alsa-project.org, and perhaps get yourself a newer kernel. |
| 12:31.59 | valdyn | s4br3: alsaconf only knows the cards you have drivers for |
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| 12:32.18 | s4br3 | valdyn: I hav e2.6.25-2-686-bigmem |
| 12:32.46 | enouf | s4br3: does dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base help? (choose Alsa) .. how about the User's Apps, go into each user's app's config and select "default" .. if KDE, then kcontrol > sound devices > 2nd tab? DropDown List (Advanced Linux ...) |
| 12:32.49 | Eulex | s4br3, does alsa-project.org list your sound card as supported? |
| 12:33.04 | eth01 | why're you using bigmem? :) |
| 12:33.29 | eth01 | (i know what it is btw) |
| 12:33.30 | valdyn | s4br3: so you removed or somehow fucked up your driver ( and also snd_ca0106 as you showed us before ) |
| 12:34.00 | eth01 | bigmem kernels are no better than the bog-standard shipped one. |
| 12:34.06 | eth01 | ones * |
| 12:34.22 | enouf | except if you need it |
| 12:34.35 | eth01 | in my experience it doesn't make that much bigger diff. |
| 12:34.48 | valdyn | s4br3: why and how did you get rid of your alsa drivers? |
| 12:34.55 | s4br3 | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base gives: "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog --- No method to call for : --- No method to call for : at /usr/lib/perl5/Qt.pm line 464." |
| 12:34.55 | enouf | you obviously don't know what it's for then |
| 12:35.01 | valdyn | s4br3: and you can get the default drivers back by reinstalling your kernel |
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| 12:35.45 | s4br3 | valdyn: Those are difficult questions... :D |
| 12:35.45 | enouf | s4br3: were you root? and yeah, reinstall your kernel and lose your alsa compiled stuffs |
| 12:35.55 | eth01 | enouf: play nice. |
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| 12:36.17 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 12:36.18 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 12:36.26 | valdyn | s4br3: so ask which part you dont understand, evading wont fix your system |
| 12:36.43 | eth01 | enouf: performance, it hardly makes *any* difference |
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| 12:37.09 | enouf | eth01: don't you think more RAM == better performance? ;-) |
| 12:37.19 | Eulex | it is bad for performance. unless you need the additional ram. |
| 12:37.24 | eth01 | indeed. but the kernel itself it makes no difference tbh. |
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| 12:37.31 | eth01 | which was my original point and still is! |
| 12:37.32 | s4br3 | valdyn: "why and how did you get rid of your alsa drivers?" because the instruvtions told me so, "somewhere"... |
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| 12:37.49 | peter86 | hello |
| 12:37.55 | peter86 | How to mount usbdisk? |
| 12:37.56 | valdyn | s4br3: thos instructions are fucked up |
| 12:38.02 | valdyn | s4br3: now reinstall your kernel |
| 12:38.09 | s4br3 | valdyn: ok, I didn't know |
| 12:38.28 | valdyn | s4br3: theres no need to ever delete the stock kernels alsa drivers when installing newer alsa modules |
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| 12:39.42 | s4br3 | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 12:39.53 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.35 | s4br3 | Do I need to reboot? |
| 12:41.47 | Skratz0r | peter86; mount /dev/usbdisk /mnt/folder_name |
| 12:41.53 | Eulex | s4br3, no |
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| 12:42.03 | valdyn | s4br3: run alsaconf |
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| 12:44.11 | hiptobecubic^ | i'm trying to figure out how to manually change my HP DV 6xxx series laptop's leds manually. They do function correctly so there must be a config file somewhere to set on or off/color change right? |
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| 12:45.06 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: probably /etc/acpi/ |
| 12:45.13 | s4br3 | ok, downloaded. alsaconf gives three alternative (hda-intel and emu10k1 and legacy). I wish to have the SoundBlaster as the default |
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| 12:46.04 | Ovi | I've somehow removed mail. Can anyone tell me what package I need to install to get it back? |
| 12:46.14 | hiptobecubic | valdyn, i was looking in there and didn't have a lot of success. I find a couple of promising looking files that just contained a single 1 or 0 but changing them was either blocked (in use) or had no effect |
| 12:46.17 | valdyn | Ovi: aptitude install exim4 |
| 12:46.36 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: what the fuck |
| 12:46.44 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: linux files can be changed while in use |
| 12:47.09 | hiptobecubic | valdyn, yes i'm aware. that's why i stopped screwing with them and came here to ask questions :D |
| 12:47.12 | Ovi | thk a lot valdyn :D |
| 12:48.30 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: those files in there are neither giving messages that they are in use when they are, nor do they just contain a 1 or 0 |
| 12:48.37 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 12:48.41 | s4br3 | Damn, my wife tells me we gotta go... |
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| 12:49.37 | `Taffy | hey all |
| 12:49.42 | hiptobecubic | valdyn, if you dig around there are files with names like just 'led' and no extension. if you cat the file it just has a 0 in it |
| 12:49.44 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: somehow i'll just wildly speculate that you are tryint to run those files |
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| 12:50.17 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: not here on debian |
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| 12:50.53 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: are you confusing /proc/acpi/ with /etc/acpi/ ? |
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| 12:51.24 | hiptobecubic | valdyn, actually i was in the wrong terminal just then. my bad i was looking around /sys not proc. my apologies for the mixup |
| 12:51.27 | Bushmills | hipodilski, are you running ubuntu, maybe? |
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| 12:51.41 | Bushmills | ehm, hiptobecubic are you running ubuntu, maybe? |
| 12:51.46 | enouf | heh, more than one hippo here ;-P |
| 12:52.06 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: there isnt even a /sys/acpi directory |
| 12:52.18 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: not on debian, not on ubuntu |
| 12:52.22 | WormFood | enouf, yeah, but fat people don't like to be called "hippo" |
| 12:52.30 | enouf | !m00 |
| 12:52.37 | hiptobecubic | yeah but the ubuntu channel is full of questions like "i can't figure out how to run my application as root" |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | hiptobecubic: go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 12:53.06 | valdyn | hiptobecubic: you should feel right at home there, not being able to tell us which file really contains a 0 or a 1 |
| 12:53.14 | Bushmills | hiptobecubic, you questions concern a different distribution. if not the questions are not relevant, surely the answers will be for you |
| 12:53.40 | Bushmills | hiptobecubic, no wonder nobody understands what you have problems with |
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| 12:54.12 | hiptobecubic | I was hoping to find out how it worked in any distro and work from there. As for you valdyn i'm sure you've never been mistaken about your working directory before. my apologies |
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| 12:55.46 | enouf | oh well, didn't get a chance to tell the weenie to see ./Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt .. but he never would've found it anyway :-P |
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| 12:59.46 | dmseg | hmm.., debian looks nice with jigdo i downlaoded 4cd's in one-day with just 8kbps!! |
| 13:00.19 | dmseg | can anyone tell me if debian's ftp server is not showing the cd images |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:01.13 | wols | !cdimage |
| 13:01.13 | dpkg | wols, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
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| 13:02.44 | `Taffy | i hate opera some times |
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| 13:03.05 | abrotman | tell #opera on irc.opera.com |
| 13:03.33 | wols | can I whine who iceweasel sucks? |
| 13:03.52 | abrotman | wols: #devnull |
| 13:04.11 | wols | starts whining about abrotman instead |
| 13:04.12 | Willl_ | I rebooted a debian server I have hosted remotely and it didn't come back online. The host support say it is adding swap and will be back soon. Why would a reboot cause swap to be added though? : / |
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| 13:05.02 | valdyn | Willl_: thats a consufing answer, adding swap doesnt take time |
| 13:05.08 | Bushmills | Willl_, because that's what the transition from not using swap (power down state) to using swap (after boot) is called |
| 13:05.17 | valdyn | Willl_: a reboot will "add swap" as specified in /etc/fstab |
| 13:05.29 | Bushmills | Willl_, but that is done quickly |
| 13:05.38 | Willl_ | They said "it will take a while" |
| 13:05.44 | Willl_ | not very helpful of them :( |
| 13:05.54 | valdyn | !bofh |
| 13:05.54 | dpkg | it has been said that bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | why is that script in there ? |
| 13:06.53 | Bushmills | abrotman, to demonstrate the point? |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | maybe we should break it a little :) |
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| 13:07.45 | wols | dpkg bofh excuses is bofh excuses can be found at http://www.kdegraaf.net/cgi-bin/bofh |
| 13:07.46 | dpkg | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 13:08.01 | wols | dpkg "bofh excuses" is bofh excuses can be found at http://www.kdegraaf.net/cgi-bin/bofh |
| 13:08.01 | dpkg | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 13:08.14 | wols | dpkg bofh_excuses is bofh excuses can be found at http://www.kdegraaf.net/cgi-bin/bofh |
| 13:08.14 | dpkg | wols: okay |
| 13:08.16 | valdyn | dpkg: bofh =~ s/ or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done/./ |
| 13:08.29 | valdyn | gah |
| 13:08.36 | abrotman | fail |
| 13:08.54 | wols | how does dpkg recognize spaces in a factoid name? |
| 13:08.56 | xingu | beats valdyn up with getent |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | !bofh wols |
| 13:09.05 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 13:09.09 | valdyn | dpkg: bofh =~ s# or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done#.# |
| 13:09.09 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain ' or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done' |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:09.22 | hoxu | !bot abuse |
| 13:09.22 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 13:09.29 | hoxu | is it my turn yet? :p |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | uh |
| 13:10.06 | dmseg | !beer | dmseg |
| 13:10.06 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for | dmseg |
| 13:10.06 | Bushmills | yes, make it unusable to wannabe-bofs |
| 13:10.06 | Bushmills | or prevent self-mutilation :) |
| 13:10.06 | Bushmills | bofhs ... |
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| 13:11.56 | `Taffy | i'm going to bed....take care....next time i see u hopefully it will be on debian....:) |
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| 13:12.28 | [0x41] | I've created a partition with cfdisk, hda3, and i want to set it as / . how would i do that ? |
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| 13:12.37 | asg | Taffy's bed is going to be on debian? |
| 13:12.58 | GuilhermeBrant | how can I set the locale option for ntfs-3g to be set auto for the automount of the windows ntfs partition? |
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| 13:13.15 | wols | [0x41]: have you already installed debian? |
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| 13:13.22 | Bushmills | [0x41], just about to install, or on an installed system? |
| 13:13.35 | [0x41] | about to install |
| 13:13.48 | wols | then simply start the install by booting from the CD |
| 13:13.57 | GuilhermeBrant | cause everytime I need to access a file with portuguese characters ,I have to mount it again usin -o locale=pt_BR.iso88591 |
| 13:13.59 | Zyroth | I am trying to setup pureftp on my virtual server. I installed it via apt-get, but executing 'pure-ftpd --help' does not give me anything. No error message, just nothing. The tutorials I read all say that it should give me a help text. Any ideas? |
| 13:14.18 | [0x41] | wols, i want to create some other partitions |
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| 13:14.30 | wols | [0x41]: you can that too in the installer |
| 13:14.42 | abrotman | Zyroth: i'm sure there's a config file somewhere in /etc/ ... look in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd/ for docs |
| 13:14.49 | Pheagator | hmm, ok, can someone tell me why should I use shorewall instead of "pure" iptables? |
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| 13:14.52 | wols | xingu: /etc/init.d/pure<tab> start |
| 13:15.09 | wols | !info shorewall etch |
| 13:15.09 | abrotman | Pheagator: you shouldn't? does it matter? |
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| 13:15.26 | Pheagator | abrotman: oh I was advised to use it, i read through the docs and i don't like it ;-) |
| 13:15.38 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 3.2.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 1212 kB |
| 13:15.45 | wols | Pheagator: why do you need a firewall in the first place? |
| 13:16.06 | abrotman | Pheagator: then don't use it .. use direct iptables rules |
| 13:16.08 | Pheagator | to connect my lan to internet with one IP address, and to play with iptables. |
| 13:16.12 | abrotman | Pheagator: who advised you to use it ? |
| 13:16.17 | wols | Pheagator: use ipmasq |
| 13:16.21 | Pheagator | oh, hmm, i don't keep history. |
| 13:16.34 | Pheagator | i want to also restrict the network usage by some users in the system. |
| 13:16.35 | wols | much better than you starting from scratch |
| 13:16.48 | abrotman | Pheagator: oh someone here .. people recommend it for people that don't want to write iptables or don't have the ability to learn |
| 13:17.14 | Pheagator | oh I thought that this is some kind of standard, it's been a while since I used Debian. |
| 13:17.27 | Bushmills | Pheagator, shorewall gives you a black box. iptables a hands-on experience |
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| 13:17.41 | Bushmills | the latter wins |
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| 13:18.07 | SlimG2 | When I try to install the mkvtoolnix package, aptitude threatens to install mkvtoolnix-gui and all it's gtk-dependencies, if I try to install mkvtoolnix --without-recommends , aptitude seems to install the right packages, but also threatens to remove exim4, debconf-utils etc. (since they're unused...?). What's causing this seemingly weird dependencyproblem (Etch)? |
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| 13:18.23 | Pheagator | hm, ok, i'm getting back to my first idea to make it just with iptables. |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | Pheagator: if you're just trying to do NAT easily .. the ipmasq package is pretty dead simple |
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| 13:19.47 | Pheagator | hm I want also to forward some ports, and maybe in some future make shell accounts in this machine and not neccesarely want to people who use them to access my LAN. |
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| 13:20.06 | Pheagator | so I thought that I could use a uid-matching in iptables. |
| 13:20.14 | wols | and it is extensible too for such stuff as you suggested |
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| 13:20.40 | teillo | How do i download debian sid? |
| 13:20.52 | Bushmills | Pheagator, iptables won't prevent your machine to become compromized when offering shell accounts |
| 13:21.02 | cb3rob2 | why bother with 'learning' iptables.. after ipfwadm, ipchains, iptables and some other thing that only forwarded ports i think it's safe to say it's not worth spending time on. |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | teillo: you don't .. and if you have to ask . you shouldn't be running it |
| 13:21.12 | abrotman | cb3rob2: shut up |
| 13:21.24 | wols | teillo: you can't |
| 13:21.26 | cb3rob2 | abrotman: at least with cisco you only have to learn it once :P |
| 13:21.41 | cb3rob2 | stick to zhe format :P |
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| 13:22.13 | valdyn | Pheagator: uid matching has been removed from stock kernels afaik |
| 13:22.21 | teillo | What would you recommend me running, etch or lenny? |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | either would be fine |
| 13:22.38 | Bushmills | teillo, depends on what you'll use it for |
| 13:23.00 | Pheagator | Bushmills: so is there anything which can prevent this? |
| 13:23.15 | Pheagator | valdyn: so i think i'll build my own kernel. |
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| 13:23.40 | wols | teillo: etch |
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| 13:23.46 | Bushmills | Pheagator, yes: not offering shell accounts. alternatively, probably, offering shell accounts in virtual machines. |
| 13:24.00 | wols | VMs are no security measure |
| 13:24.05 | cb3rob2 | etch |
| 13:24.05 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 13:24.13 | asg | valdyn: post-etch kernels? |
| 13:24.18 | Pheagator | once the machine is in the network it doesn't make much difference whether it is virtual or not i think. |
| 13:24.20 | valdyn | asg: probably yes |
| 13:24.33 | valdyn | asg: kernel.org kernels and debian kernels, probably not yet etch |
| 13:24.57 | asg | valdyn: that functionality is available in etch |
| 13:25.16 | valdyn | asg: do you know the module name? |
| 13:25.22 | valdyn | asg: ( so i can check later kernels ) |
| 13:25.31 | Bushmills | wols, it adds one level of security: cracking the guest os, obtaining root for example, does not give you all power on the host OS |
| 13:25.31 | asg | valdyn: let me see |
| 13:25.49 | valdyn | asg: im thinking i could be wrong and its just pid matching that got removed |
| 13:25.51 | cb3rob2 | bushmill: it adds 'recovery' options |
| 13:25.57 | cb3rob2 | such as just writing the image back on the box itself :P |
| 13:26.01 | dutchfish | how can i get kvm to run with EPT bit set? without it it runs ok up till 2.6.28.8 but with the bit set not. |
| 13:26.16 | asg | valdyn: ipt_owner.ko by the looks of it |
| 13:26.21 | valdyn | dutchfish: its not 2009 yet |
| 13:26.27 | vadmeste | Anyone knows if it's possible to resolv DNS over proxy ? |
| 13:26.35 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok |
| 13:26.37 | cb3rob2 | with socks5: yes |
| 13:26.41 | cb3rob2 | with socks4: no |
| 13:26.57 | cb3rob2 | with http: the proxy will do the resolving for you |
| 13:27.05 | valdyn | ./kernel/net/netfilter/xt_owner.ko |
| 13:27.09 | valdyn | hmm |
| 13:27.23 | Pheagator | ./2.6.18-6-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_owner.ko |
| 13:27.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, just got woody running under kvm btw |
| 13:27.37 | Pheagator | (this is my etch) |
| 13:28.21 | valdyn | Pheagator: module names changed, it should be the same thing |
| 13:28.30 | cb3rob2 | what's the use of this 'lenny' crap anyway.. why not issue updates to etch. |
| 13:28.47 | valdyn | cb3rob2: or why dont you read about that at debian.org ? |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | cb3rob2: go troll somewhere else |
| 13:30.00 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, no I mean using a lookup program over HTTP proxy |
| 13:30.00 | hardcampa | updates to etch yeah that sounds like the worst idea ever |
| 13:30.14 | cb3rob2 | vadmeste: you can't. |
| 13:30.31 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, because it's UDP |
| 13:30.33 | vadmeste | ? |
| 13:30.36 | stew | cb3rob2: why can't he? |
| 13:30.38 | cb3rob2 | you -can- make tcp connections over a http proxy and appearantly some dns servers support tcp |
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| 13:30.52 | cb3rob2 | well.. over -some- http/https proxies that is |
| 13:30.53 | cb3rob2 | not all |
| 13:30.54 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, thanks |
| 13:30.54 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 13:31.12 | stew | what is a dns server that doesn't support tcp? |
| 13:31.14 | cb3rob2 | stew: because the proxy does the resolving |
| 13:31.21 | stew | what? |
| 13:31.25 | cb3rob2 | stew: firewalled :P |
| 13:31.38 | stew | cb3rob2: what if the proxy doesn't do the resolving? |
| 13:31.47 | cb3rob2 | stew: then there is no resolving to do. |
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| 13:32.21 | stew | cb3rob2: you are not making sense. it is certainly possible to do dns resulotion over a proxy |
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| 13:32.34 | cb3rob2 | stew: not over http proxies. |
| 13:32.40 | cb3rob2 | you just send it the host name you want |
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| 13:32.45 | cb3rob2 | and it'll connect there |
| 13:33.23 | cb3rob2 | it -is- possible over socks5 however |
| 13:33.34 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, it's true, a user that uses HTTP proxy don't need to resolv DNS |
| 13:33.46 | cb3rob2 | and if the nameserver supports dns over tcp you can use the tcp connect feature of some http proxies |
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| 13:34.13 | vadmeste | I'll search for a one |
| 13:34.28 | asg | stew: djbdns doesn't do tcp by default, though it can be configured to do so. |
| 13:35.49 | Supremann | What command do I use to get information about my cpu? |
| 13:36.01 | asg | Supremann: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:39.01 | c0mrade | hi can anyone help me setup named .. I've been strugling with it don't know which files to edit excatly |
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| 13:39.05 | sawyer_ | hello all |
| 13:39.21 | sawyer_ | i'm trying to run skype-rec (a skype recording perl script) but it needs soxmix |
| 13:39.28 | asg | c0mrade: install the bind9-doc package and also consult #dns |
| 13:39.30 | sawyer_ | i've been able to install sox but i can't find soxmix |
| 13:39.37 | sawyer_ | i'm using debian-eee-pc which is running lenny |
| 13:39.46 | c0mrade | ty asg |
| 13:39.58 | stew | well, i just had to prove it to myself, but yeah, doing dns resolution over a http proxy was not a problem |
| 13:40.09 | asg | c0mrade: and if you are really interested, I recommend the O'Reilly DNS & BIND book |
| 13:40.45 | c0mrade | I am .. but I'm short on time .. thank you though I will certainly get hold on that book at some point |
| 13:40.52 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 13:41.15 | Nyle | orielly has the best books |
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| 13:41.51 | Nyle | I also like A! Press a bit (fairly informative and to the point) |
| 13:42.27 | dutchfish | Nyle, am i correct those also can be accessed online if you buy access? |
| 13:42.41 | Nyle | sure |
| 13:42.48 | Nyle | you didn't hear it from me |
| 13:42.49 | Nyle | at all |
| 13:42.54 | dutchfish | Nyle, i know what i gone ask my boss now ;) |
| 13:42.56 | Nyle | but torrents are in existence |
| 13:42.57 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:43.01 | Nyle | I did NOT say this |
| 13:43.02 | asg | dutchfish: safari.oreilly.com |
| 13:43.08 | Nyle | please type /clear |
| 13:43.09 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:43.12 | dutchfish | asg, ty, yes |
| 13:43.38 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, my problem that some programs (configured to use proxy) start first to use the proxy but when other dns address |
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| 13:43.51 | dutchfish | Nyle, i always want to pay for a GOOD book, np about that |
| 13:43.55 | k-man | how can i tell when a package was last upgraded? |
| 13:43.56 | vadmeste | they contact dns server writed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:44.10 | disposable | does anyone know of a lightweight graphical ACL editor? (Eiciel needs half of gnome to work in debian; i'd prefer something simpler or qtbased) |
| 13:44.12 | asg | k-man: the changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 13:44.34 | sawyer_ | Nyle, yeah, i use torrents for all my... legal downloads |
| 13:44.34 | k-man | asg, can i tell when i last upgraded it on my system? |
| 13:44.38 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, as they forget that there are a proxy |
| 13:44.40 | abrotman | disposable: there's a CLI one IIRC |
| 13:44.42 | sawyer_ | like.. downloading debian isos ;p |
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| 13:44.48 | enouf | try dpkg.log |
| 13:44.54 | vadmeste | cb3rob2, programs like Evolution, some plugins of pidgin |
| 13:45.01 | asg | k-man: it depends on which debian version. There's dpkg.log, aptitude.log, and also /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 13:46.39 | k-man | asg, thanks |
| 13:46.51 | disposable | abrotman: apt-cache search gives me nothing :( |
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| 13:48.58 | sawyer_ | err.. i'm also missing oggenc and dpkg --search couldn't find it |
| 13:49.07 | sawyer_ | could it be that i'm missing repositories? |
| 13:49.09 | abrotman | disposable: chacl ? unless you're talking about different ACLs |
| 13:49.22 | valdyn | sawyer_: dpkg only searches installed files |
| 13:49.40 | sawyer_ | valdyn, oh.. |
| 13:49.42 | ay^ | sawyer_: apt-cache search name |
| 13:49.50 | sawyer_ | tried with aptitude, i'll try apt-cache |
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| 13:50.05 | ay^ | first update perhaps |
| 13:50.08 | ay^ | apt-get update |
| 13:50.13 | valdyn | sawyer_: apt-file search filename |
| 13:50.23 | valdyn | sawyer_: or http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:50.31 | sawyer_ | tried apt-cache search oggenc and it found a few |
| 13:50.32 | sawyer_ | thanks guys |
| 13:50.36 | ay^ | is packages.debian.org working now? |
| 13:50.40 | ay^ | np |
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| 13:50.54 | sawyer_ | does anyone else have this bug when you write stuff and it just presses enter shitload of time? |
| 13:50.58 | sawyer_ | that's an xorg bug, right? |
| 13:51.12 | sawyer_ | i don't get that on consoles, only terms (xterm, whatnot) |
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| 13:57.29 | larco | hello, what was the dd command to completly remove data from a hdd ? |
| 13:57.54 | Jemt | Greetz. Will it cause problems if I install the nvidia-kernel-* and nvidia-glx packages if I'm using an ATI card? I do some testing once in a while on nvidia cards so I need the driver. Not sure whether it will mess up my ati driver (the Open Source driver) |
| 13:57.59 | valdyn | larco: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk |
| 13:58.00 | wols | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/harddisk |
| 13:58.09 | valdyn | !win me |
| 13:58.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, valdyn! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 13:58.10 | abrotman | !tell larco about dban |
| 13:58.17 | Jemt | I'm aware that I will have to reconfigure xorg ;) |
| 13:58.26 | wols | Jemt: not if you install it before the ati drivers |
| 13:58.36 | valdyn | Jemt: it will break opengl |
| 13:58.45 | wols | and you need to have the right lib being libGL.so when running X |
| 13:58.45 | abrotman | Jemt: no .. it won't be a problem unless you try to use that driver .. and in which case it will just fail |
| 13:58.50 | larco | abrotman: unfortune enough my floppy drive learned to fly last night :( |
| 13:58.56 | valdyn | Jemt: nvidia-glx breaks all other drivers OpenGL |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | larco: they have a mini-iso |
| 13:59.13 | cb3rob2 | luckily floppy drives are only $7.50 nowadays |
| 13:59.21 | wols | Jemt: reconfiguring xorg is not enough. having the right libGL.so for the right videocard is needed too |
| 13:59.23 | Jemt | I think valdyn is right. I don't have OpenGL anymore (glxinfo just writes out a lot of errors) |
| 13:59.27 | valdyn | Jemt: but you still should be able to run X |
| 13:59.50 | Jemt | valdyn: Is there some how I can solve this? I need to be able to switch between drivers |
| 14:00.14 | cb3rob2 | larco: i did not know floppy drives had the ability to learn stuff |
| 14:00.17 | valdyn | Jemt: not very simple as nvidia does not only replace libGL.so |
| 14:00.19 | cb3rob2 | let alone flying |
| 14:00.27 | wols | Jemt: for tha LAST time: by making sure you have the right libGL matched with the right driver |
| 14:00.31 | valdyn | Jemt: libraries you can use LD_PRELOAD for |
| 14:00.37 | wols | valdyn: the .deb does divert it |
| 14:00.47 | valdyn | Jemt: but the glx X module you have to switch out differently |
| 14:00.51 | larco | cb3rob2: yes.. but last night was the first time in 2-3 years when i actualy used to update bios.. it screw it (lucky dual bios pfew) and i decided to make it fly 6 stores |
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| 14:01.06 | valdyn | wols: yea, thats the mechanism, but that doesnt help him |
| 14:01.15 | Jemt | wols: How do I "match" them ? |
| 14:01.24 | Jemt | valdyn: LD_PRELOAD ? |
| 14:01.27 | cb3rob2 | larco: hmm. well.. that's usually the 3.5" floppies themselves being screwed after a few years |
| 14:01.30 | cb3rob2 | not the drives :P |
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| 14:02.00 | larco | cb3rob2 then it's good that the disk was inside it too :P |
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| 14:02.03 | cb3rob2 | as for bios upgrades, we'll just stick to zhe eprom programmer :P |
| 14:02.16 | valdyn | Jemt: LD_PRELOAD=/custom/libGL.so somepgrogram will make someprogram link against that libGL.so instead of /usr/lib/libGL.so |
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| 14:02.54 | cb3rob2 | 5.25" floppies don't really have that problem.. only after like 20 years or so, not after 2 :P |
| 14:03.05 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I see. But I need Open GL for the entire computer (xorg?). Should it be 'LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so xorg' then ? |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | cb3rob2: try the offtopic channel |
| 14:03.19 | cb3rob2 | abrotman: try the nazi-moderator-from-hell channel.. |
| 14:03.23 | cb3rob2 | point taken btw. :P |
| 14:03.26 | valdyn | Jemt: i dont know how you are starting X, probably via gdm |
| 14:03.33 | Jemt | valdyn: Using gdm, yes |
| 14:03.39 | valdyn | Jemt: gdm config has a command line "X ... " in it |
| 14:03.48 | valdyn | Jemt: but this isnt enough |
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| 14:04.26 | wols | cb3rob2: also take the point not to do ad hominems |
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| 14:04.30 | abrotman | cb3rob2: either be nice and stay on-topic or leave |
| 14:04.34 | valdyn | Jemt: as nvidia drivers replace the /usr/lib32/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so too |
| 14:04.40 | valdyn | Jemt: as nvidia drivers replace the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so too |
| 14:04.46 | syc_ | greeting, |
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| 14:04.50 | valdyn | Jemt: and you cant LD_PRELOAD that one |
| 14:05.01 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay, where do I find these modules ? |
| 14:05.10 | Jemt | And replace them with what ? |
| 14:05.14 | valdyn | Jemt: uh? didnt i just show you? |
| 14:05.28 | syc_ | i have problem with a webcam on acer aspire 2920z, anyone can help me ? |
| 14:05.31 | Jemt | valdyn: When you say replace I think of replacing the files |
| 14:05.38 | valdyn | Jemt: nvidia-glx installs one set, libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri the other set |
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| 14:06.13 | Jemt | valdyn: Ah, okay |
| 14:06.22 | Jemt | valdyn: What's the difference between dri and glx ? |
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| 14:06.34 | valdyn | Jemt: and the nvidia-glx doesnt conflict with the mesa packages but it diverts the files |
| 14:06.48 | valdyn | Jemt: they are different things |
| 14:06.59 | Jemt | Doing the same ? |
| 14:07.01 | valdyn | Jemt: glx is the X extension to allow opengl in X |
| 14:07.09 | valdyn | Jemt: dri is hardware drivers |
| 14:07.14 | Jemt | Ah, okay |
| 14:07.49 | dutchfish | valdyn, what about aiglx? |
| 14:07.52 | valdyn | Jemt: this is entirely unsupported by debian - i would set up 2 systems in /usr/local |
| 14:08.01 | maligor | aiglx is just accelerated indirect |
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| 14:08.12 | valdyn | dutchfish: thats a different glx implementation i think |
| 14:08.14 | maligor | as opposed to accelerated direct |
| 14:08.22 | dutchfish | ok |
| 14:08.27 | maligor | inftrastructural difference |
| 14:08.38 | valdyn | dutchfish: where you render to an offscreen buffer and blit the picture in |
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| 14:08.46 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: whats wrong? |
| 14:08.49 | maligor | aiglx passes all opengl commands throught he X11 server |
| 14:08.58 | maligor | direct rendering interfaces directly to the hw |
| 14:09.03 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, the web cam is not working |
| 14:09.04 | Jemt | Okay, I'm afraid that I'm really, really confused right now. Don't know what to do. I got libgl1-mesa-dri installed (for Direct Rendering with the ATI driver) and I've installed nvidia-kernel-* and nvidia-glx. As far as was able to gather, there are now two (?) modules installed which is to be used for Opel GL. One for the ATI driver, one for the Nvidia driver - correct? |
| 14:09.34 | valdyn | Jemt: you only need to install nvidia-glx to run nvidia cards and remove nvidia-glx to run the other card |
| 14:09.35 | wols | yes |
| 14:09.38 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, this is the lsusb output Bus 006 Device 003: ID 064e:a101 Suyin Corp. |
| 14:09.42 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: looks like it uses the uvc-video driver |
| 14:10.00 | maligor | Jemt, you want to use ati and nvidia at the same time? |
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| 14:10.12 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I don't always have the computer connected to the internet, so removing/installing isn't a good approach |
| 14:10.19 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: you installed cheese? |
| 14:10.20 | dutchfish | so, when xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd will be ready for R600 it will go through glx instead of aiglx with dri and latest mesa? |
| 14:10.20 | valdyn | Jemt: you can certainly do fancy stuff to script this and make it just slightly faster, but removing/ installing packages is clean and easy |
| 14:10.23 | Jemt | maligor: No, switch between them dynamically |
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| 14:10.32 | valdyn | Jemt: so get the package file |
| 14:10.40 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, cheese ? sorry, my english is bad |
| 14:10.41 | valdyn | Jemt: its in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:10.45 | Jemt | valdyn: Yes, of cause, that could be the solution |
| 14:10.57 | maligor | dutchfish, heh, you got your acronyms messed up |
| 14:11.01 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: ya, thats a webcam application |
| 14:11.11 | dutchfish | maligor, ok, corretc me please |
| 14:11.12 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, i've tried to install linux-uvc, but its still not working |
| 14:11.12 | valdyn | dutchfish: uh? |
| 14:11.18 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, just a second |
| 14:11.19 | maligor | dutchfish, glx is how to talk, aiglx/dri is where to talk ;) |
| 14:11.30 | Jemt | valdyn: Is it difficult to script it? it sounds like it's just a matter of "matching" the LibGL to the proper driver by setting a system variable (?) |
| 14:11.31 | dutchfish | maligor, ah, o.k. |
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| 14:11.51 | valdyn | Jemt: copying files around, same as installing the package does |
| 14:12.03 | valdyn | Jemt: which is why im not really recommending you script it |
| 14:12.11 | Jemt | valdyn: Ah, okay. Then it does make better sense to install/uninstall |
| 14:12.12 | maligor | and mesa is an implementation of the opengl api |
| 14:12.34 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, i can't find cheese on debian package |
| 14:12.37 | dutchfish | in wich mesa-dri forms th elink? |
| 14:12.38 | valdyn | dutchfish: thats probably obsolete as dri2 might be ready once r600 is supported, who knows |
| 14:12.43 | Jemt | valdyn: I'm quite impressed with your knowledge on this topic. Thanks for the advise. I will try the install/unstall method |
| 14:12.54 | dutchfish | valdyn, dri2? |
| 14:13.01 | dutchfish | oh boy i feel stupid |
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| 14:13.21 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, i didn't install it |
| 14:13.42 | enouf | can i vote for directfb instead? :-) |
| 14:13.50 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, but i've tried camorama and camstream |
| 14:13.57 | maligor | dutchfish, dri: [app]-[opengl library]-[hardware driver]-[hardware] indirect: [app]-[opengl library]-[X11 client/server]-[hardware driver]-[hardware] |
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| 14:14.16 | maligor | more or less anyway |
| 14:14.21 | dutchfish | maligor, ill copy that one and get it framed in, thank you |
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| 14:14.24 | valdyn | dutchfish: dri has shortcomings, it cant have 2 X servers accelerated, cant do XV in compiz |
| 14:14.29 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: i was reading up, and they won't work |
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| 14:14.42 | valdyn | dutchfish: nvidia drivers can do that, and dri2 can |
| 14:14.59 | valdyn | http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/ |
| 14:14.59 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: only v4l apps works |
| 14:15.02 | maligor | valdyn, xv in compiz might rather be a limitation of hardware |
| 14:15.12 | valdyn | maligor: its not |
| 14:15.15 | cahoot | syc_: tried luvcview? |
| 14:15.25 | maligor | valdyn, hardware overlays work in opengl contexts then? |
| 14:15.44 | dutchfish | valdyn, aha so my HD 2400 XT wich can feed to screens, wont be accelarated both |
| 14:15.55 | enouf | so who's the management in the drm? |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | bob |
| 14:16.11 | dutchfish | valdyn, no mather how much i try to tweak it with xrandr |
| 14:16.20 | knoxy | how can I do to change the name "eth2" to "eth0" ? |
| 14:16.23 | valdyn | maligor: no one does hardware overly for xv anymore |
| 14:16.26 | maligor | abrotman, microsoft bob? |
| 14:16.27 | valdyn | maligor: no one does hardware overlay for xv anymore |
| 14:16.34 | abrotman | what about bob! |
| 14:16.35 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: does dmesg reconize it? |
| 14:16.39 | valdyn | maligor: nvidia and intel do use textures |
| 14:16.52 | maligor | valdyn, I don't see why dri would in that matter care about overlays |
| 14:16.52 | Jemt | BRB |
| 14:16.54 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: dmesg | grep uvcvideo |
| 14:16.57 | asg | abrotman: what about bob2 |
| 14:17.05 | syc_ | cahoot, i did |
| 14:17.10 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, just a second |
| 14:17.15 | maligor | valdyn, that'd be more a problem with xv implementation |
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| 14:17.17 | abrotman | asg: MIA .. though sightings have been rumored |
| 14:17.21 | valdyn | maligor: i dont know either, im not coding this |
| 14:17.24 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:17.37 | valdyn | maligor: christian hoegsberg would know the details |
| 14:17.38 | enouf | the return of bob ? |
| 14:17.40 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, |
| 14:17.41 | syc_ | uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Acer CrystalEye webcam (064e:a101) |
| 14:17.42 | syc_ | usbcore: registered new driver uvcvideo |
| 14:17.42 | syc_ | uvcvideo: Failed to query (1) UVC control 6 (unit 3) : -32 (exp: 2). |
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| 14:17.43 | knoxy | how can I do to change the name "eth2" to "eth0" ? (in debian) |
| 14:17.51 | abrotman | asg: i think he might be hiding out with bigfoot |
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| 14:17.56 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:18.00 | dutchfish | !knoxy about z25 |
| 14:18.01 | syc_ | sorry |
| 14:18.06 | syc_ | i didn't meant to.. |
| 14:18.08 | dutchfish | !tell knoxy about z25 |
| 14:18.12 | syc_ | sorry |
| 14:18.16 | asg | abrotman: and nessy2 |
| 14:18.20 | maligor | valdyn, the fglrx drivers use textured overlays also |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:18.42 | dutchfish | ? |
| 14:18.48 | JDLSpeedy | syc_: doesn't look that driver version supports the webcam |
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| 14:19.48 | enouf | hires 'bob the builder' for abrotman |
| 14:20.19 | enouf | nanobob! |
| 14:20.25 | syc_ | too bad, i have to go |
| 14:20.28 | dutchfish | !enouf |
| 14:20.28 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 14:20.39 | dustybin | interesting website: http://www.gpl-violations.org/ |
| 14:20.47 | syc_ | JDLSpeedy, i got to go, thanks for your help |
| 14:21.03 | syc_ | thanks all. |
| 14:21.54 | Clown | Require some help, PC(192.168.1.6)<--->(192.168.1.5) Cisco Router(192.168.1.1) <---> (192.168.1.2)Wired<--->Debian<---> Wireless(DHCP from AP) <---->AP(172.16.1.1) |
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| 14:22.40 | abrotman | Clown: looks fine .. carry on |
| 14:22.48 | Clown | How do i configure ip forwarding/bridging in the Debian box to allow traffic from PC to be able to get NTP updates from the AP? |
| 14:23.18 | dutchfish | Clown, why not place your AP in bridge mode? |
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| 14:23.34 | enouf | abrotman: lunch? :-P |
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| 14:23.55 | pozic | Why does "Processing triggers for menu ..." take 20 seconds? |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | enouf: not quite yet .. and you don't live close enough to buy me food |
| 14:24.05 | Clown | Assuming i can't configure the AP |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | pozic: lots of apps ? |
| 14:24.22 | pozic | abrotman: you mean installed? |
| 14:24.26 | pozic | abrotman: or installing? |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | former |
| 14:24.33 | pozic | abrotman: yes |
| 14:24.34 | tyler` | since we're on the topic, is it possible to have two APs on the same ethernet network work together wirelessly to supply a better signal to wireless clients? |
| 14:24.46 | pozic | abrotman: even with 20,000 it should not take more than a second. |
| 14:24.49 | tyler` | (note i dont mean havign a network where the laptop etc connects to the ap with the stronger signal for them) |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | tyler`: #wireless ..and usually they hav ea repeater mode |
| 14:24.56 | pozic | abrotman: probably some kind of stupid design then. |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | pozic: possibly |
| 14:25.03 | dutchfish | tyler`, roaming |
| 14:25.07 | tyler` | k |
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| 14:26.22 | Clown | The main question is how do i configure ip forwarding so that the traffic from the pc and reach the ap and back |
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| 14:27.05 | \amethyst | !masq |
| 14:27.05 | dpkg | it has been said that masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 14:27.11 | \amethyst | oops |
| 14:27.21 | \amethyst | !ipmasq |
| 14:27.21 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:27.29 | \amethyst | Clown: is that what you're looking for? |
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| 14:27.54 | \amethyst | Clown: or do you want to bridge without rewriting packets? |
| 14:28.10 | Clown | bridge without rewriting packets |
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| 14:29.22 | Clown | i know i had to add some static routes |
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| 14:29.25 | gentlyninja | i wanna install ffmpeg in debian testing, but i get an error "/var/cache/apt/archives/libavcodeccvs51_3%3a20070329-0.0etch1_i386.deb (--unpack):" what can i do? |
| 14:29.35 | gentlyninja | dpkg error |
| 14:29.35 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 14:29.36 | Clown | default gw of the debian box will be the cisco router |
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| 14:30.44 | EoN | My ISP has set up a reverse DNS record for my dedicated server, pointing to the domain name (example.org), rather than the full host name (foo.example.org). Is this incorrect? |
| 14:30.57 | Clown | all i know is that i'll need to configure routes to the AP |
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| 14:31.09 | wols | EoN: ask #networking or such |
| 14:31.24 | EoN | thx wols |
| 14:31.56 | valdyn | EoN: question is if it is what you want |
| 14:32.08 | EoN | As I'm getting this message returned from postfix when trying to send an email: Jun 22 07:53:05 207-111-222-333 postfix/smtpd[18645]: warning: 207.111.222.333: address not listed for hostname myhost.example.org |
| 14:32.12 | EoN | and i'm not sure what exactly it means |
| 14:32.30 | Clown | problem with dns or /etc/hosts ? |
| 14:32.43 | valdyn | EoN: thats forward, not reverse resolution |
| 14:33.14 | EoN | valdyn: so that message is saying that 207.111.222.333 does not resolve to myhost.example.org ? |
| 14:33.15 | svenx | EoN: you'd normally have it pointing to the fqdn and not the domain |
| 14:33.30 | EoN | yeah i thought so |
| 14:33.35 | valdyn | EoN: that myhost.example.org does not resolve to 207.111.222.333 |
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| 14:33.55 | Nyle | ahhhhh crap I hate this oncall admin shit |
| 14:34.02 | EoN | but it does. |
| 14:34.15 | Nyle | now i gotta go to work and fix a server cuz freaking the boss called and can't get his shit to work |
| 14:34.18 | Nyle | this sucks. |
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| 14:34.31 | svenx | but you'll get paid overtime, of course? |
| 14:34.39 | Nyle | obviosly |
| 14:34.40 | wols | bad for you, good for #debian: less OT |
| 14:34.54 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:34.59 | Nyle | that is true |
| 14:35.05 | Nyle | however it IS sunday today |
| 14:35.08 | Nyle | just to remind you. |
| 14:35.14 | valdyn | EoN: maybe postfix would be talking about the mx record |
| 14:35.23 | asg | Nyle: one can always /ignore sunday |
| 14:35.35 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:35.45 | EoN | hmmm good point valdyn |
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| 14:37.46 | dutchfish | maybe this is a stupid question, but is there a pastebin for screendumps (png)? |
| 14:37.53 | Nyle | yes! |
| 14:37.56 | Nyle | picpaste.com |
| 14:38.07 | Nyle | ultra fast, simple and to the point |
| 14:38.12 | dutchfish | Nyle, thank you |
| 14:38.14 | Nyle | I don't think they have ANY or many ads either |
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| 14:38.52 | dutchfish | grabbing his camera and running to another system |
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| 14:39.02 | AfterBurn | Hello people |
| 14:39.09 | tyler` | hello person |
| 14:39.12 | AfterBurn | :) heh |
| 14:39.23 | tyler` | thats the best thing ive said all day xD |
| 14:39.46 | vadmeste | yes, tyler` say always bad things |
| 14:39.47 | AfterBurn | I am having a very weird issue, Kind of driving me crazy for a day or so now, anyone care to join my nightmare? lol |
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| 14:39.58 | tyler` | of course |
| 14:40.01 | tyler` | ask! |
| 14:40.08 | AfterBurn | cool |
| 14:40.11 | AfterBurn | when ever I cp -r * /root/somedir/ Then I do a du -h on both the original data on my mnt point, and on my dir where i just copied them, it shows different file sizes :( |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | did you sync first ? |
| 14:40.39 | AfterBurn | I do it all in terminal |
| 14:40.50 | pozic | Is specifying a news server an OS related thing? |
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| 14:40.52 | AfterBurn | I also manually mount my drives |
| 14:41.01 | pozic | If so, where should I do that? |
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| 14:41.08 | tyler` | AfterBurn: that's weird |
| 14:41.13 | tyler` | :x |
| 14:41.19 | tyler` | i'd have no idea, even |
| 14:41.19 | AfterBurn | Yeah |
| 14:41.20 | AfterBurn | 9286 on the dir where they were copied, and 9856 on the original files |
| 14:41.22 | tyler` | how far apart are they |
| 14:41.26 | tyler` | ah |
| 14:41.32 | AfterBurn | really driving me mad |
| 14:41.39 | tyler` | have you considered hidden files? |
| 14:41.44 | abrotman | pozic: huh? |
| 14:41.46 | tyler` | dunno how youre determining those filecounts |
| 14:41.53 | dutchfish | AfterBurn, cp symlinks to real files maybe? |
| 14:42.00 | AfterBurn | because all the files are the same number when i do ls -al /dir/ | wc -l |
| 14:42.08 | pozic | abrotman: OS = Operating System in this context |
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| 14:42.36 | AfterBurn | well see heres the thing, the files were comming off a fat16 CF card, to a local dir on my debian box, then I wanted to copy em vback to a fat32 card |
| 14:42.38 | pozic | abrotman: some news clients want to connect to news.<mydomain> |
| 14:42.45 | pozic | abrotman: which is not what I want. |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | then don't turn it on ? |
| 14:42.58 | Clown | regarding my question |
| 14:43.05 | Clown | what should i do ? |
| 14:43.08 | pozic | abrotman: ? |
| 14:43.18 | AfterBurn | dutchfish, not sure there are symlinks if it was on that fat16 sym card |
| 14:43.33 | AfterBurn | err not sym |
| 14:43.36 | AfterBurn | CF card |
| 14:43.36 | Clown | is nat the only way? |
| 14:43.42 | cb3rob2 | since when does FAT have symlinks anyway. |
| 14:43.48 | AfterBurn | Indeed |
| 14:43.51 | tyler` | it doesnt |
| 14:43.54 | Clown | can i simply bridge both the ethernet and wireless usb doggle? |
| 14:44.12 | abrotman | pozic: do you want an nntp server or not ? |
| 14:44.13 | tyler` | Clown: this doesnt sound like a debian related question to me, what is the problem? |
| 14:44.27 | pozic | abrotman: I want to connect to one using a client. |
| 14:44.33 | pozic | abrotman: so, no. |
| 14:44.43 | Clown | it's a networking problem |
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| 14:44.45 | abrotman | okay .. so point your client at your nntp server |
| 14:44.56 | Clown | Require some help, PC(192.168.1.6)<--->(192.168.1.5) Cisco Router(192.168.1.1) <---> (192.168.1.2)Wired<--->Debian<---> Wireless(DHCP from AP) <---->AP(172.16.1.1) |
| 14:44.58 | AfterBurn | Clown, iptables with nat and forwading |
| 14:45.13 | tyler` | maybe masquerading? |
| 14:45.15 | Clown | !forwarding |
| 14:45.17 | pozic | abrotman: right, but this client refers to all kinds of RFCs and probably hidden somewhere is a file like /etc/standardnewsserver or something like that. |
| 14:45.18 | AfterBurn | yeah and masq |
| 14:45.20 | tyler` | AfterBurn probably knows more than me |
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| 14:45.23 | Clown | isn't masq and nat the same? |
| 14:45.26 | tyler` | ive only used it for firewalling |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | pozic: you're not making sense |
| 14:45.30 | Clown | what's the diff between them? |
| 14:45.30 | pozic | abrotman: I want to know the file name and the file format for that file. |
| 14:45.34 | dapper-daniel | I have a problem: I want to build a ubuntu package (module-init-utils) from source for debian |
| 14:45.52 | dapper-daniel | but the ubuntu package depends on a newer libc6 version |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: don't do that |
| 14:46.04 | AfterBurn | Clown, not sure, but i did it that way on my box |
| 14:46.19 | cb3rob2 | clown: i'd asume you used /30 netmasks there on the 192.168.0/30 and 192.168.4/30 networks otherwise they overlap |
| 14:46.27 | AfterBurn | Man this cp is driving me crazy :-$ |
| 14:46.28 | cb3rob2 | secondly: this belongs in some other channel :P |
| 14:46.37 | Clown | yeap |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | pozic: if you have an nntp client .. just point it at the nntp server |
| 14:47.01 | pozic | abrotman: you make it sound so easy. Some clients are trivial, yes. Some are not. |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | pozic: i'm sure it has a config file in your $HOME or some GUI interface to do it |
| 14:47.04 | cb3rob2 | uh 192.168.1.4/30 even :P |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | pozic: so which client is it ? |
| 14:47.11 | pozic | abrotman: tin |
| 14:47.19 | Clown | all are /30 |
| 14:47.22 | dapper-daniel | abrotman: I need a newer xen-kernel and i found a package but it depends on module-init-utils => 3.3-pre11 |
| 14:47.25 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure there's a ~/.tin .. it's been awhile |
| 14:47.34 | pozic | abrotman: yes, there is such a file. |
| 14:47.34 | dapper-daniel | abrotman: but etch has pre4 |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: newer than one ? |
| 14:47.40 | abrotman | erm .. than what ? |
| 14:47.49 | abrotman | pozic: so read the docs .. see how to configure it |
| 14:47.52 | dapper-daniel | abrotman: newer than 2.6.18 |
| 14:48.04 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: there is a .22 at backports.org and a .24 possibly for etchnhalf |
| 14:48.17 | pozic | abrotman: ok, well, I supposed there was a system wide method. |
| 14:48.24 | themill | abrotman: 2.6.24 is on backports.org too |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | oh finally ? |
| 14:48.30 | pozic | abrotman: never mind, I will read the rest of the documentation. |
| 14:48.31 | dapper-daniel | cool thanks! |
| 14:48.36 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, you can build a newer kernel for xen, but only for your dom-U's not dom-0 (yet) |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 14:48.59 | cb3rob2 | clown: no ip tables, no nat, just forwarding. |
| 14:49.03 | cb3rob2 | turn forwarding on |
| 14:49.06 | cb3rob2 | add routes |
| 14:49.09 | cb3rob2 | should work. |
| 14:49.13 | AfterBurn | So, noone has ever had this problem with cp, different file sizes and what not? |
| 14:49.16 | cb3rob2 | add routes -everywhere- that is :P |
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| 14:49.23 | ktwilight_ | am trying to re-build a package source i downloaded through apt-get source. am looking at dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-source, but i still can't figure it out how to re-build/re-package it. :/ any hints? (i've changed the .diff.gz file to reflect the build options that i need. |
| 14:49.30 | Clown | ok |
| 14:49.46 | Clown | it is ok if i were to put my static routes into the rc.local? |
| 14:49.54 | cb3rob2 | sure |
| 14:50.07 | Clown | actually i'm part of a competition and i ain't got the time to learn the best way |
| 14:50.08 | cb3rob2 | you need to add routes to everything that's further than one hop |
| 14:50.15 | cb3rob2 | -on- everything as well. |
| 14:50.25 | wols | ktwilight_: you edit /debian/ files (rules I think) for different build options |
| 14:50.26 | Clown | i need to know the fastest way to complete my stuffs |
| 14:50.36 | Clown | okie |
| 14:50.36 | cb3rob2 | ospf with area 0.0.0.0 on 0.0.0.0 :P |
| 14:50.40 | cb3rob2 | if all that stuff supports it |
| 14:50.43 | abrotman | Clown: maybe you should be asking #networking ? |
| 14:50.45 | cb3rob2 | but it's nasty and insecure that way |
| 14:50.50 | ktwilight_ | wols, i've done that, so what i need now is rebuild it into a .deb package. |
| 14:50.51 | cb3rob2 | it'll fix everything by itself tho haha |
| 14:51.04 | Clown | i dun think the AP can receive the ospf routing tables |
| 14:51.12 | cb3rob2 | ok then you're set |
| 14:51.17 | AfterBurn | abrotman, what did you mean when you said if I tried syncing firts with my issue regarding cp |
| 14:51.22 | cb3rob2 | as long as the cisco ios also suppors ospf (some don't) |
| 14:51.30 | ktwilight_ | but i can't figure out how to using dpkg-buildpackage and/or dpkg-source |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | sync ? |
| 14:51.38 | wols | ktwilight_: you simply run it |
| 14:51.39 | AfterBurn | Yeah |
| 14:51.54 | wols | Clown: don't listen to cb3rob2. your linux won't do ospf by itself |
| 14:52.01 | cb3rob2 | wols: yes it wil |
| 14:52.02 | Clown | i know that |
| 14:52.06 | cb3rob2 | apt-get install quagga |
| 14:52.09 | cb3rob2 | done. |
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| 14:52.10 | Clown | zebra? |
| 14:52.16 | AfterBurn | zebra indeed |
| 14:52.16 | cb3rob2 | it's called quagga now |
| 14:52.18 | cb3rob2 | same stuff |
| 14:52.30 | wols | "by itself" |
| 14:52.32 | ktwilight_ | sure sounds easy... |
| 14:52.33 | Clown | icic.. will research when i'be the time |
| 14:52.53 | wols | Clown: but I agree with abrotman: #networking |
| 14:53.10 | cb3rob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.16 | cb3rob2 | are the files to look at then :P |
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| 14:54.31 | abrotman | AfterBurn: don't msg me |
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| 14:54.36 | AfterBurn | sorry |
| 14:54.43 | cb3rob2 | and the accesspoint will probably implement nat anyway.. not a lot of accesspoints out there can do normal routing and actually work with handing out REAL ips over dhcp .. some work fine as bridges tho |
| 14:55.05 | cb3rob2 | in fact, around 80% of what's on the market is broken when you want it to do routing and dhcp but no nat :P |
| 14:55.08 | abrotman | AfterBurn: man 1 sync |
| 14:55.22 | AfterBurn | Ok thanks |
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| 14:56.51 | dapper-daniel | abrotman: ääähm well I need a dom0 kernel.. so I'm seraching something like linux-image-2.6.24-xen |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | you'll see one for backports.org |
| 14:57.46 | dapper-daniel | but that one is old |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | .24 is old ? |
| 14:58.13 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, they have added Xen support for booting recent Linux kernels (2.6.23+) which use the paravirt ops interface. There |
| 14:58.14 | dapper-daniel | sorry |
| 14:58.14 | dutchfish | are no officially supported distributions which use this kernel yet. (Xen 4.1 march 2008) |
| 14:58.20 | wols | dapper-daniel: testing has it. maybe etchnhalf does too |
| 14:58.54 | dapper-daniel | i'm sorry abrotman you are right.. it's .24 |
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| 14:59.06 | syntaxx | i was wondering if you can have your PTR if you have your own DNS server? or you your ISP can only set it for you? |
| 14:59.24 | abrotman | syntaxx: you can .. but if your ISP has one .. it's likely going to win .. ask #dns |
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| 15:00.01 | dapper-daniel | damn! there is none for amd64 argh! |
| 15:00.02 | syntaxx | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 15:03.51 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, for you info: A XenServer-patched CentOS 5 kernel is now supplied on the xs-tools.iso, with all the known Xen-related issues in the upstream kernel fixed. (64 bit) |
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| 15:04.33 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, maybe somebody will port it soon |
| 15:05.31 | dapper-daniel | would be nice.. ubuntu allready has this version |
| 15:05.55 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, untrue, ubuntu still has the issues atm |
| 15:06.27 | dapper-daniel | what do you mean? |
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| 15:07.19 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, they have added Xen support for booting recent Linux kernels (2.6.23+) which use the paravirt ops interface. But not yet really. |
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| 15:08.09 | dapper-daniel | I installed a 2.6.24 from ubuntu on my dom0 |
| 15:08.21 | dapper-daniel | it works quite well |
| 15:08.23 | theholyduck | the standard sid kernel has xen |
| 15:08.27 | theholyduck | and it annoyed me greatly |
| 15:08.29 | theholyduck | for a bit |
| 15:08.42 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, 1 example: They need to Improve Windows para-virtual drivers tolerance to very slow backend disk devices (e.g. overloaded NFS filers), not fixed yet. |
| 15:08.53 | petemc | theholyduck: which kernel is that? |
| 15:09.04 | theholyduck | petemc: standard 2.6.25-2 |
| 15:09.08 | petemc | i dont think so.. |
| 15:09.11 | theholyduck | has xen by default |
| 15:09.17 | theholyduck | it does |
| 15:09.30 | petemc | only the small part of xen that is in vanilla kernels, im sure |
| 15:09.37 | dutchfish | i am talking here about dom-0 not dom-U support |
| 15:09.38 | theholyduck | enough to mess up nvidia |
| 15:09.42 | theholyduck | :P |
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| 15:09.46 | theholyduck | but thats fixed now |
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| 15:10.34 | Bac0n | i have som Q about pam-listfile .... it denies users ok when passord is used but skips when key based login is used |
| 15:10.51 | Bac0n | should it be like that |
| 15:11.00 | dapper-daniel | dutchfish: so I just have to wait and maybe there will be a 2.6.24 dom0 kernel during the next days right? |
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| 15:11.27 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, 2nd: Fix Windows para-virtual drivers to handle the case where Windows turns TCP RX checksums on and |
| 15:11.28 | dutchfish | UDP RX off. This manifests when a Linux VM is serving up DNS queries on the same host as a Windows DNS client. Still also not fixed in ubuntu. and i can go on for more then an hour or so ... |
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| 15:11.57 | theholyduck | debian sid is messing with xchat atm |
| 15:12.00 | theholyduck | amd 6 |
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| 15:12.06 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, i gues so, if you really keen on xen, make the step to debian now |
| 15:12.17 | theholyduck | *amd 64, sparc and a couple of other archs have 2.8.6 kernels |
| 15:12.22 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, they ar emessing it up bigtime |
| 15:12.26 | theholyduck | err |
| 15:12.29 | theholyduck | 2.6.8 VERSION |
| 15:12.32 | theholyduck | of xchat |
| 15:12.32 | varney | there's something weird going on with my server. every so often, the processor usage is way above normal and the ram too. here is a paste of processes, does it look normal? http://code.bulix.org/1imxwp-67221 |
| 15:12.39 | theholyduck | but i386 has 2.8.4 |
| 15:13.02 | theholyduck | yet the xchat common thingy is 2.8.6, and hence xchat refuses to work |
| 15:13.12 | theholyduck | rather, install. |
| 15:13.17 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, you wont see this in debian for months to come, because its ready when its ready |
| 15:13.17 | theholyduck | goes forces it to work |
| 15:13.24 | themill | theholyduck: welcome to sid. |
| 15:13.26 | asg | theholyduck: welcome to sid. /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dgkg sid faq |
| 15:13.42 | tyler` | varney: if it is a very active webserver yes it looks normal |
| 15:13.43 | theholyduck | been using it for ages :P |
| 15:13.45 | theholyduck | themill |
| 15:13.46 | tyler` | or semi active |
| 15:13.52 | theholyduck | it still annoys me every time it happens |
| 15:13.54 | tyler` | varney: i recommend you watch top (or preferably htop) |
| 15:14.00 | tyler` | youll see what pid it is that is using up a lot |
| 15:14.22 | \amethyst | varney: should this server be making outgoing web connections? |
| 15:14.30 | dutchfish | dapper-daniel, on the other hand if you like a newer kernel in your dom-U's, well go ahead |
| 15:14.36 | varney | tyler`: i was going to ask how do i see what is being transferred by a certain apache process? |
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| 15:14.42 | Danielss89 | hi.. |
| 15:14.53 | varney | it was lik 93% cpu and i need to trace what it is doing |
| 15:15.00 | tyler` | i dont know what you mean by "seeing what is transfered by a certain apache proess" |
| 15:15.04 | tyler` | you can tail -f the logfile |
| 15:15.06 | \amethyst | varney: run top and press capital P |
| 15:15.10 | tyler` | ^ |
| 15:15.12 | tyler` | do that |
| 15:15.14 | \amethyst | varney: that will tell you which processes are using the most CPU |
| 15:15.19 | Danielss89 | ive just created a user and i am connecting to the ftp with the new user, but i cant upload anything to the folder.. ive chowned it to the user |
| 15:15.26 | tyler` | just sit by and watch it a couple minutes |
| 15:15.29 | tyler` | however long it takes |
| 15:15.51 | tyler` | and like i said when youre done with that you can tail -f the apache access_log to watch the activity |
| 15:16.03 | tyler` | (considering apache is in question) |
| 15:16.14 | varney | "i dont know what you mean by seeing what is transfered by a certain apache proess" <- i mean how do i trace what an apache -k process is 'doing' that it is using so much cpu, e.g. what file is it downloading or what virtual host it belongs to |
| 15:16.25 | wols | varney: lsof should work |
| 15:17.01 | tyler` | varney: watch top like \amethyst said to verify its apache, then i recommend tailing the logfile |
| 15:17.19 | varney | ok |
| 15:17.20 | Danielss89 | hmm ok it seems like i can upload files and overwrite them, but not folders |
| 15:17.29 | asg | varney: if you want to see what's on the wire, use tcpdump |
| 15:17.39 | \amethyst | varney: the first half of what you pasted were outgoing connections |
| 15:17.53 | \amethyst | varney: to IPs that don't reverse resolve |
| 15:17.59 | Clown | how do i make ip forwarding persistent? |
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| 15:18.16 | Clown | each time i echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:18.26 | Clown | it returns back to 0 when i reboot |
| 15:18.27 | wols | edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:18.31 | \amethyst | Clown: add net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 15:18.40 | \amethyst | Clown: in fact, it's probably there but commented out |
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| 15:19.20 | jewel_ | why does my change to groups not take effect, i create a new xterm but groups shows the old groups |
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| 15:19.31 | varney | what i don't get are why are half of the connections ipv6? |
| 15:19.32 | Clown | "net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1" ? |
| 15:19.41 | cahoot | su <user> jewel |
| 15:19.42 | Clown | that's the same right? |
| 15:20.27 | varney | \amethyst: the first half outgoing are probably torrentflux, but i will have to check since i don't think anything is running... |
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| 15:20.43 | varney | what are the ipv6 connections in my paste though? |
| 15:20.51 | \amethyst | varney: those are your incoming connections |
| 15:21.17 | varney | i thought ipv6 wasn't even used though |
| 15:21.24 | \amethyst | varney: using ipv4-in-ipv6 addressing |
| 15:21.52 | varney | ah, makes sense now :~ -> never seen that b4, heh |
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| 15:23.25 | jewel_ | cahoot, tks |
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| 15:23.55 | jaggz- | I'm using etch and libqt4-core is 4.2.1 ... yet this software requires a version difference: If you want to compile KToon 0.8, you have to ensure that you have installed Qt 4.1.4 before, if you have Qt 4.2.* the compilation process will fail... |
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| 15:25.34 | jaggz- | how do I install an older version? |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | jaggz-: so tell the authors of KToon to fix it ? |
| 15:25.49 | [0x41] | i have a problem with Debian, i just installed it, i boot up and the X server doesnt work and needs configuring apparently |
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| 15:26.00 | jaggz- | abrotman, they know about it .. that's a message from the development leader |
| 15:26.36 | jaggz- | how can I install an older version? (packages.debian.org doesn't show any other versions) |
| 15:26.51 | \amethyst | !snapshots |
| 15:26.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 15:27.06 | abrotman | jaggz-: it says you can compile ktoon 0.9 with 4.2 .. so why not use 0.9 ? |
| 15:27.51 | themill | abrotman: ktoon is in lenny+sid; you could try a simple sid backport. |
| 15:27.56 | themill | argh |
| 15:28.00 | themill | jaggz-: ^^ |
| 15:28.14 | jaggz- | where's it say that? |
| 15:28.17 | abrotman | themill: i saw |
| 15:28.33 | spx2__ | what parameters do I have to use with ngrep to get all the packet message ? I'm currently getting cut off by ".." somewhere... any suggestions are welcome :) |
| 15:28.37 | abrotman | jaggz-: http://ktoon.toonka.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=26 |
| 15:28.40 | jaggz- | themill, what's the "argh" for? |
| 15:28.59 | themill | jaggz-: the comment was directed to you not abrotman. I need coffee. |
| 15:29.33 | jaggz- | lol |
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| 15:30.03 | abrotman | jaggz-: have you seen synfig ? |
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| 15:31.49 | jaggz- | I tried the subversion version of ktoon first but couldn't get it to compile.. I've not found a stable tarball of .9 |
| 15:32.02 | jaggz- | no.. I've not seen synfig |
| 15:32.12 | jaggz- | themill.. hmm.. sid backport |
| 15:32.16 | themill | dpkg: tell jaggz- about ssb |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | !synfig |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 15:32.40 | abrotman | jaggz-: http://synfig.org/Main_Page |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | jaggz-: of course .. that's not in stable either .. but i'm not sure what you're actually trying to do |
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| 15:33.59 | jaggz- | A researching on various ways of producing animations for a performance |
| 15:34.13 | jaggz- | wife needs me.. sigh.. ttyl..t hanks for the help as usual |
| 15:34.33 | jaggz- | got dpkg's msg waiting for me upon my return |
| 15:35.47 | Bac9 | what's the option for squid to turn on/off logging to cache_access_log? |
| 15:36.08 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am having problems with my X1650PRO 512 mb ATI AGP card, on debian etch, on VT:7 i cant get a correct display, cant see fonts/windows completely etc, at VT:8 its fine |
| 15:36.25 | ktwilight_ | hm, my build fails. http://rafb.net/p/vodAyd33.html i have /bin/sh and build-essential installed. what else would be missing? google seems to be a bit dense, so... |
| 15:36.29 | khaleel5000 | no matter what Account i open at VT:7, so its not the issue with the settings of the gui account |
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| 15:36.39 | khaleel5000 | i used dpkg's oneliner for getting drivers |
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| 15:37.24 | ktwilight_ | oh, the symlink to /usr/share/misc/config.sub doesn't exist. |
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| 15:38.27 | themill | ktwilight_: have you done an apt-get build-dep pound ? |
| 15:39.02 | ktwilight_ | found out that i'm missing libtool |
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| 15:40.01 | themill | ktwilight_: you will keep getting such errors if you've not done apt-get build-dep pound ... |
| 15:40.08 | ktwilight_ | o |
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| 15:41.06 | SpookyET | hi |
| 15:41.08 | SpookyET | What's the workaround to renaming files? foo.install does not seem to allow renaming of files making it quite worthless. |
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| 15:42.09 | hark | SpookyET: usually you just shake them about a bit |
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| 15:42.10 | dutchfish | SpookyET, i dont knwo what you mean, mv? |
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| 15:42.53 | khaleel5000 | hi, i installed ati drivers using dpkg oneliner, how do i remove those? |
| 15:43.09 | khaleel5000 | fglrx one-liner was the one i used |
| 15:43.10 | inigo | is going security.debian.org a bit slowly ? |
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| 15:43.25 | hipodilski | Hi which reposity should I add to my sources.list in order to be able to install flashplugin-nonfree in debian lenny |
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| 15:44.36 | jelly-home | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing |
| 15:44.36 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:45.38 | themill | hipodilski: either the sid package or the etch backports.org package is being designated as suitable for lenny users, but I'm not sure which one. The bugs linked to above will tell you. |
| 15:46.06 | hipodilski | themill: ok thanks |
| 15:46.07 | SpookyET | dutchfish: i'm talking about making debs |
| 15:46.45 | abrotman | i thought flash was removed ? |
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| 15:46.54 | \amethyst | abrotman: from lenny, yes |
| 15:47.04 | abrotman | i thought from sid and etch too |
| 15:47.11 | abrotman | yeah .. gone from etch too |
| 15:47.12 | \amethyst | oh, maybe from etch too |
| 15:47.25 | \amethyst | abrotman: not from sid, since it can be updated there |
| 15:47.30 | themill | abrotman: no, it's in sid and backports.org |
| 15:47.34 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:47.48 | hid3_ | Hello everyone. I've set up a different IP address on my eth0 device using `ifconfig eth0:1 <address>`. Can I set eth0:1's hw address (mac address) to be different from eth0's? |
| 15:47.55 | themill | abrotman: with an RC bug against it to stop it from going into testing ever. |
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| 15:48.05 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:48.08 | ktwilight_ | themill, hm, i still have errors though http://rafb.net/p/mUcUzK15.html i've searched but it seems that i'm missing a step somewhere (again?) |
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| 15:50.28 | wols | hid3_: yes with ifconfig |
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| 15:50.50 | themill | ktwilight_: You need to build the package using fakeroot. e.g. fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 15:50.56 | ktwilight_ | o |
| 15:51.02 | ktwilight_ | k, i'll try. thanks themill :) |
| 15:51.05 | hid3_ | wols: ifconfig eth0:1 hw ether <new:mac:here> changes for eth0 too.. Or I misunderstand something? |
| 15:51.21 | rendar | i've a problem, in the console text mode, sometimes doesn't appears well characters like ' or ` or [], and some text based program, like tmsnc, doesn't seem to position text at the right rows,column ...how i could solve this problem? |
| 15:51.25 | themill | ktwilight_: (I think... it will certainly fail if you don't, and it does build with fakeroot as I just tried it) |
| 15:51.51 | ktwilight_ | themill, aight. will get back to you later, for now, i have to go :) thanks again! |
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| 15:52.17 | themill | ktwilight_: no worries. Have fun with it. |
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| 15:53.24 | jakal | hello, what 2.6.25 kernel image i should install for a AMD Athlon 64 X2, wanting to run it on 32-bit not the amd64 image ? |
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| 15:54.26 | cahoot | i686 |
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| 15:54.42 | jakal | linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 ? |
| 15:55.02 | cahoot | that's what I meant yes |
| 15:55.27 | jakal | and another thing.. is there any console irc client like bitchx in unstable... this ircii is awful |
| 15:55.36 | cahoot | irssi |
| 15:55.38 | wols | irssi |
| 15:55.56 | wols | but comparing irssi with bitchx is really an insult |
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| 15:56.35 | jakal | will check it in a sec |
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| 15:57.03 | jakal | can be worse then ircII... |
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| 15:58.21 | blameless | i dunno. i moved to irssi after BX. |
| 15:58.35 | blameless | i actually still use a theme that makes irssi look like BX with osiris |
| 15:59.31 | themill | dpkg: adobe flash testing is <reply>If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291#37). Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem. |
| 15:59.31 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 16:03.04 | abrotman | themill: maybe have a "try <gnash>" ? |
| 16:03.55 | themill | abrotman: there's swfdec as well, isn't there? both are linked to from the <flash> factoid... Up to you though. Edit at will :) |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | NFC |
| 16:04.45 | dutchfish | swfdec is working nice for me |
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| 16:11.24 | Danielss89 | how can i see which mta i have installed to send mail with? |
| 16:11.50 | abrotman | telnet localhost 25 ? |
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| 16:12.10 | bvk | hi, can't i assign different mac addresses for eth0 and eth0:1 ? |
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| 16:12.42 | zxxxd | no |
| 16:12.44 | zxxxd | you cant |
| 16:12.48 | zxxxd | bvk, |
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| 16:13.14 | bvk | zxxxd: ok thanks |
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| 16:17.09 | varney | what is the module that allows downloaded sql files to be compressed into gz files b4 download? |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | mod_gzip ? |
| 16:17.54 | varney | heh, i will see |
| 16:18.07 | tsh | Hey guys I have a really odd issue. Just installed Debian etc (64bit version). My processor is an amd athlon 64 3500 but its acting reall odd look at this: http://rafb.net/p/j2Y4ju27.html 1) i dont have 4 proccessors and 2) its overheating.. im really worried, what can i do to fix this ? |
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| 16:18.32 | varney | i tried to backup sql as compressed, and it came down as 'corrupt' gz file, so i renamed it sql and sure enough it hadn't been compressed |
| 16:19.11 | abrotman | varney: maybe i misunderstood |
| 16:19.12 | hipodilski | how can I install iceweasel 3 on debian lenny? |
| 16:19.34 | ThomasHC | anyone know how to recompile a tarball for 64 bit? |
| 16:19.34 | abrotman | hipodilski: you'd have to backport it .. or just wait for it to hit lenny |
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| 16:19.41 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 16:20.08 | ThomasHC | I need to know how to recompile an apps source code into 64 bit |
| 16:20.12 | ThomasHC | tar.gz |
| 16:20.15 | abrotman | so you recompile it? |
| 16:20.25 | abrotman | read the INSTALL or README in the tar.gz |
| 16:20.45 | ThomasHC | ya, I need to do this for about 1000 apps..... |
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| 16:21.09 | jelly-home | ThomasHC: why? |
| 16:21.10 | abrotman | ThomasHC: on Debian ? |
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| 16:22.28 | _pepo_ | Hi friends |
| 16:23.15 | ThomasHC | I have my own distro |
| 16:23.22 | ThomasHC | and Id like the experiance |
| 16:23.27 | abrotman | ThomasHC: so why are you asking us? |
| 16:23.32 | abrotman | ThomasHC: you're in #debian .. |
| 16:23.38 | ThomasHC | and I'd like to change a few things |
| 16:23.40 | ThomasHC | I know |
| 16:23.43 | WormFood | this is the debian channel, not the LFS channel |
| 16:23.48 | ThomasHC | this is in debian |
| 16:23.48 | abrotman | what does your distro have to do with Debian ? |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | ThomasHC: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the output |
| 16:24.04 | ThomasHC | well, its based on debian for one... |
| 16:24.07 | abrotman | ThomasHC: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the output |
| 16:24.09 | wols | !based on debian |
| 16:24.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:24.16 | delight | i know its not #ubuntu so don't get me wrong. Still there is an package in buntu that I feel is very handy and possibly should be in the next debian release ... I'm talking about language-selector (package) which provides gnome-language-selector a handy tool to handle available localizations and to choose the default |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | delight: file an RFP ... /msg dpkg rfp |
| 16:24.39 | dutchfish | is there any tool for debians git packages repo what can do the same as git bisect for the kernel, or is it the same? ( i am new to this) |
| 16:24.43 | ThomasHC | ok, whatever, but thanks anyway... |
| 16:24.54 | SpookyET | I'm using CDBS and I have a install/foo:: with some mv rules. mv complains that it can't find the files. debian/foo/ is empty. |
| 16:25.09 | delight | abrotman: thnx ;) |
| 16:25.10 | jelly-home | ThomasHC: so do it like debian does, with a buildd |
| 16:25.15 | abrotman | SpookyET: spaces in the file names ? |
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| 16:25.37 | themill | dutchfish: git bisect is part of the git-core package in debian; it's a part of the regular git commands not specific to the kernel. |
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| 16:25.50 | tsh_ | I got disconnected, anyone reply to tsh ?? |
| 16:25.51 | dutchfish | themill, cool, thank you |
| 16:26.09 | themill | dutchfish: no worries |
| 16:26.09 | wols | tsh_: no one did |
| 16:26.13 | tsh_ | ok |
| 16:26.27 | tsh_ | does debian have an issue with amd processors or something ? |
| 16:26.42 | abrotman | tsh_: you sure you don't have a dual cpu dual core box ? |
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| 16:27.00 | wols | tsh_: dmesg output please |
| 16:27.03 | abrotman | tsh_: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 16:27.09 | abrotman | tsh_: you have a quad core ... you have four |
| 16:27.14 | wols | tsh_: or lspci |
| 16:27.25 | tsh_ | no i dont |
| 16:27.27 | tsh_ | its wrong that is |
| 16:27.32 | tsh_ | let me show you hang on |
| 16:27.34 | wols | tsh_: most likely you checked /proc/cpuinfo on the wrong host |
| 16:27.47 | abrotman | root@stoned-hacker:/etc/bind# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:27.54 | abrotman | based on that .. i'm going with yes :) |
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| 16:28.28 | tsh_ | abrotman, thats wrong, hence why i am here asking |
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| 16:28.46 | wols | tsh_: show us the output of the commands I asked |
| 16:28.47 | tsh_ | omg |
| 16:28.52 | tsh_ | sorry |
| 16:28.55 | tsh_ | im such a dick |
| 16:28.58 | tsh_ | too many terms open |
| 16:29.00 | tsh_ | :| |
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| 16:29.09 | abrotman | !pal tsh_ |
| 16:29.10 | dpkg | points at tsh_ and laughs hysterically |
| 16:29.14 | wols | thought so |
| 16:29.16 | themill | offers tsh_ the cluebat of #debian for some self-harm |
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| 16:31.55 | SpookyET | abrotman: no. the docs say "post-install" actions, but it looks like it has not done anything. It seems it tries to do it too early |
| 16:31.56 | abrotman | tsh_: wait .. is it still overheating ? |
| 16:32.11 | abrotman | SpookyET: on etch ? |
| 16:32.36 | tsh_ | cpu MHz : 1000.000 |
| 16:32.40 | tsh_ | no = |
| 16:32.42 | tsh_ | no =] |
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| 16:33.02 | SpookyET | abrotman: CDBS making debs |
| 16:33.32 | abrotman | so you fixed it ? |
| 16:33.55 | abrotman | post-inst should be after the package files are in place |
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| 16:45.56 | abrotman | !flw |
| 16:45.57 | dpkg | hmm... flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 16:46.05 | prisoner1 | how come apt-get is updating from backports when the the line is commented in the sources list. |
| 16:46.18 | Eulex | you haven't run apt-get update since |
| 16:46.38 | prisoner1 | that's is what I mean. |
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| 16:46.49 | prisoner1 | apt-get update updates from backports |
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| 16:47.10 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
| 16:47.11 | themill | prisoner1: do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 16:47.13 | Eulex | then I believe you should look closer on you sources.list |
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| 16:48.08 | prisoner1 | yeah, I see it now it does have a backports.org.list in source.list.d |
| 16:48.11 | SpookyET | http://paste2.org/p/41679 I don't understand why the custom install rule is not executed last. It runs to early and mv can't find the file |
| 16:49.06 | xand | futon_: make your mind up |
| 16:49.33 | eljefe | Can anyone help me with a reverse SSH tunnel syntax? I want my brother to run a command on his new Debian system whyich will allow me to connect in and modify his repos, etc. I am trying this (from another machine, as a test) but I never get a prompt for a password, so i think it is failing: "ssh -R 10022:localhost:22 -l username my.ip.add.ress" MY SSH is listening on 10022. Is this accurate? |
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| 16:50.43 | themill | eljefe: Do you mean that your sshd is listening on 10022 or that your ssh client will try to connect to 10022? |
| 16:50.54 | eljefe | my sshd is listening on 10022 |
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| 16:51.13 | xand | eljefe: not sure what you mean, but maybe ssh -R 1234:localhost:22 -l username -p 10022 yourup |
| 16:51.18 | xand | *yourip |
| 16:51.21 | eljefe | so, i would think his computer needs to connect to my 10022; his is the defualt 22 |
| 16:51.41 | cahoot | why not simply ssh to him? |
| 16:51.54 | themill | eljefe: so you need to tell his ssh client to connect to your 10022 and *not* try to forward that port around. |
| 16:51.55 | xand | eljefe: your command would try to ssh to the default port and create a tunnel on 10022 |
| 16:51.58 | eljefe | firewall isn't open; dynamic IP, no sshd installed... |
| 16:52.45 | wols | eljefe: you connect to the wrong port |
| 16:52.50 | wols | -p 10022 |
| 16:52.51 | themill | eljefe: the command that xand wrote looks more sensible. Then on your side, after establishing the tunnel, you would ssh -p 1234 localhost |
| 16:52.57 | eljefe | which part is 'the wrong port' ? |
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| 16:53.15 | eljefe | so would i have to open my firewall to 1234 ? |
| 16:53.22 | xand | no |
| 16:53.26 | themill | eljefe: think about what you have asked it ssh to do here. |
| 16:53.32 | wols | also I wouldn't use the normal ssh port and your ssh port for the tunnel. that just confuses things. use totally different ones. they don't matter anyways |
| 16:53.54 | wols | themill: he can't |
| 16:54.41 | themill | eljefe: actually, if he's not got sshd installed on his machine, then this approach is never going to work anyway. |
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| 16:55.54 | eljefe | doesn't a reverse tunnel allow for ssh to connect, and then i can connect back? he still needs sshd for that? |
| 16:56.10 | rabies | can anyone point me towards a good howto on how to forward traffic over wireless to another wireless router using a computer hooked to a router's WAN port? |
| 16:56.15 | themill | eljefe: what are you going to connect to? any connection requires both a client and a server. |
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| 16:56.50 | rabies | kind of like a wirelss bridge i guess |
| 16:57.34 | eljefe | hmm.. ok thanks, then i am not sure what we're going to do... thanks for the reverse ssh instructions, i which that syntax made more sense to me. |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | rabies: ask #wireless or #networking |
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| 17:05.35 | themill | eljefe: you could consider using dyndns to help you get around the dynamic ip problem (/msg dpkg dyndns). |
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| 17:08.21 | n-iCe | is there any debian spanish channel? |
| 17:08.23 | eljefe | themill: yes i have a dyndns set up, but this is a clean install and he has no idea what he is doing on a Linux system, i am not going to have him set up his firewall and his dynamic IP etc; I want to do the reverse connection to make this work 'easier' |
| 17:08.44 | n-iCe | !es |
| 17:08.45 | themill | !es |
| 17:08.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:09.40 | themill | eljefe: indeed. |
| 17:10.35 | stoned | dyndns is great |
| 17:11.01 | eljefe | if i may: why on that command "ssh -R 1234:localhost:22 -l username -p 10022 yourip" does it have a port 1234 involved? Why is this creating a third port which was never an option before? |
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| 17:11.41 | dutchfish | :22 is wrong |
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| 17:11.51 | eljefe | and why cannot the command be : ssh -R remoteIP:remoteport localIP:localport " It seems so twisted |
| 17:11.54 | dutchfish | 1234 was an example |
| 17:12.14 | eljefe | dutchfish: why is :22 wrong? |
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| 17:12.33 | dutchfish | it needs to be -p 22 or whatever port you using |
| 17:12.35 | themill | dutchfish: :22 would be right if there were a local sshd running |
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| 17:12.52 | abrotman | why doesn't he just run the sshd normally or on another port ? |
| 17:12.53 | dutchfish | themill, yup |
| 17:13.03 | eljefe | yes, the pasted command above worked so i am going with it. i just don't understand why it is creating another 1234 in this setup |
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| 17:13.43 | themill | eljefe: 1234 is the port on the ssh server that it is going to forward to the client. It can't be a port that is in use by anything else. |
| 17:13.43 | eljefe | abrotman: i am running it on another port, 10022. |
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| 17:15.36 | themill | eljefe: I think you're going to have to get your brother to aptitude install openssh-server and do a port forward on his adsl modem first before you get anywhere with this. |
| 17:16.09 | eljefe | isn't the ideal of reverse ssh to allow for a connection in when the firewall isn't enabled for inbound connections? |
| 17:16.14 | jelly-home | themill: obviusly he already has the server installed, else the forward would lead nowhere |
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| 17:16.28 | eljefe | i will have him install openssh-server and openssh-client first, if that is needed. |
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| 17:16.35 | n-iCe | is Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 "Etch" - Official i386 CD Binary-1 the lastes version? |
| 17:16.39 | n-iCe | and stable one? |
| 17:16.44 | themill | jelly-home: we've established that he *doesn't* have the server installed which is *why* the forward leads nowhere... :) |
| 17:16.47 | dutchfish | !stable |
| 17:16.47 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 17:16.54 | jelly-home | eljefe: then it cann't work yet |
| 17:16.58 | jelly-home | o |
| 17:16.59 | eljefe | we will get the openssh-server installed. |
| 17:17.12 | themill | jelly-home: [17:52] <eljefe> firewall isn't open; dynamic IP, no sshd installed... |
| 17:17.19 | eljefe | we will get it tho |
| 17:17.27 | jelly-home | themill: that's way up. :-) |
| 17:17.39 | themill | jelly-home: yeah... it's been dragging on for a bit |
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| 17:17.57 | eljefe | once the server and client are installed, it should be just running the command correct? |
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| 17:30.27 | jake__ | my tvtime doesn't work. anyoneusing tvtimer |
| 17:30.45 | xand | can anyone suggest how to solve this apt-get dist-upgrade error? going from etch to lenny: http://paste.debian.net/7235/ |
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| 17:32.09 | bvk | how do i create a virtual ethernet device which can acquire ip address using external dhcp server? |
| 17:32.11 | abrotman | xand: uninstall nspluginwrapper |
| 17:32.17 | xand | I can't uninstall it |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | xand: that's not an etch package right ? |
| 17:32.24 | abrotman | xand: why not? |
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| 17:32.49 | xand | because apt bitches about other packages being not installed properly, and tells me to run apt-get -f install |
| 17:32.55 | xand | circular errors |
| 17:33.08 | xand | it's an etch package, but not official |
| 17:33.33 | abrotman | !tell xand about overwrite |
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| 17:33.40 | themill | We've seen a few errors about directories being "owned" by another package recently. Ugly. |
| 17:34.05 | abrotman | using unofficial packages doesn't help |
| 17:34.14 | dkremer | hello. I have made a little error |
| 17:34.21 | dkremer | rm -rf /var/lib |
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| 17:34.27 | dkremer | That's I have done |
| 17:34.48 | themill | abrotman: There was a guy who had login conflicting in this way with libc6 the other day, (trying to etch->lenny) |
| 17:35.08 | xand | abrotman: doesn't help that there isn't an official one :P |
| 17:35.12 | abrotman | dkremer: good luck |
| 17:35.16 | dkremer | Now dpkg is broken |
| 17:35.26 | abrotman | xand: right .. but that's why |
| 17:35.27 | \amethyst | dkremer: just restore it from a recent backup |
| 17:35.35 | dkremer | backup ? |
| 17:35.44 | dkremer | (laughing) |
| 17:35.47 | \amethyst | hm |
| 17:35.57 | \amethyst | reinstall? |
| 17:36.06 | \amethyst | you've lost your package database |
| 17:36.19 | dkremer | \amethyst: thats |
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| 17:36.33 | dkremer | it's impossible to fix ? |
| 17:36.43 | dkremer | (without reinstall) |
| 17:36.54 | Bushmills | xand, so i guess the maintainer of the non-official package did oversee something, namely that a file or dir with the same name is used by an official package already |
| 17:37.01 | \amethyst | dkremer: fixing it is as complicated as reinstalling, if not more |
| 17:37.02 | jelly-home | dkremer: in general, yes. |
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| 17:37.08 | Bushmills | overlook ... |
| 17:37.10 | \amethyst | dkremer: since you'll have to reinstall all your packages anyway |
| 17:37.45 | dkremer | \amethyst: how to do that ?That will be really fine. |
| 17:38.15 | \amethyst | dkremer: I'd do it with debootstrap from a boot CD, which is basically the same as reinstalling |
| 17:38.24 | \amethyst | dkremer: I don't know of a better way of doing it |
| 17:38.31 | themill | Bushmills, abrotman: I'd be surprised if /usr/lib64 in the nspluginwrapper package weren't a directory, in which case, dpkg shouldn't bitch about it. |
| 17:38.34 | hipodilski | how to make my normal user to be able to mount ntfs partitions from gnome? |
| 17:38.51 | hipodilski | I can see the partitions but it seems I don't have permissions to mount them |
| 17:38.58 | xand | themill: it's a symlink to a directory |
| 17:39.04 | Taffy | hey guys |
| 17:39.12 | orioniorioni | hipodilski : edit fstab |
| 17:39.22 | orioniorioni | add the option user |
| 17:39.25 | dkremer | reinstall seems more clean. I will do that, thank you very much |
| 17:39.45 | dkremer | at least, I have learn that backup are important to do |
| 17:39.53 | Bushmills | themill, if the packages tries to create it, and refuses to do so because it already exists .. that's pretty much a packaging problem then |
| 17:39.54 | dkremer | in this case it's not really critical |
| 17:39.58 | dkremer | thank you |
| 17:41.23 | hipodilski | orioniorioni: should I? I thought that hal is managing to mount it properly actually I can't understand why I see the hardrives in gnome if i don't have records in /etc/fstab |
| 17:41.54 | Bushmills | themill, maybe just a matter of mkdir -p rather than mkdir during installation |
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| 17:45.15 | dkremer | hey, have you an url to get an install CD for sid/unstable ? |
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| 17:47.39 | `Taffy | i got a few questions guys, i'm about to install debian onto my laptop |
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| 17:48.05 | `Taffy | but before i do, i was wonderin if u had ne tips? |
| 17:48.40 | `Taffy | well its only one question really :P |
| 17:48.42 | svenx | don't spill coffee in your laptop |
| 17:48.45 | `Taffy | lol |
| 17:48.50 | prisoner1 | save you documents to another disk |
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| 17:49.08 | Bushmills | `Taffy, check the linux hardware compatibility list |
| 17:49.14 | `Taffy | i have |
| 17:49.16 | themill | You have to write in full sentences otherwise debian won't work. |
| 17:49.21 | `Taffy | and my laptop is ok :) |
| 17:49.24 | xingu | don't run with scissors |
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| 17:49.32 | themill | be nice to your mother |
| 17:49.36 | `Taffy | write in full sentences? |
| 17:49.38 | moonrie | Bushmills: hi |
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| 17:49.57 | `Taffy | seriously....i am a complete n006 at this |
| 17:50.03 | `Taffy | and need some help |
| 17:50.12 | svenx | you've used ten lines and not yet asked the question |
| 17:50.27 | themill | dpkg: install sid is <reply>There are no CD images available with which you can install sid. Often, sid is not actually installable at all as sid is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then upgrade to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>. |
| 17:50.27 | dpkg | ...but install sid is already something else... |
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| 17:50.35 | themill | dpkg: you suck |
| 17:50.35 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 17:51.13 | xingu | be good to your mother |
| 17:51.13 | xingu | wear sunscreen |
| 17:51.21 | Bushmills | resemble? resent? |
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| 17:51.52 | `Taffy | well i say noob....i did use redhat for a little while, i was wonderin what the shell is, how do i use rps in debian, where can i get .debs from etc.....but mainly, cos i can work the rest out, what shell is it? |
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| 17:52.03 | launch | Hi, which package i need to download to have the C standart library? |
| 17:52.04 | `Taffy | rpm's*^ |
| 17:52.19 | dkremer | launch: libc6-dev |
| 17:52.23 | launch | thanks |
| 17:52.36 | \amethyst | `Taffy: you can use alien to convert RPMs to .debs but dependencies won't always work |
| 17:52.53 | \amethyst | `Taffy: for that matter, the package won't always work |
| 17:52.54 | Bushmills | `Taffy, shell = command line interpreter. rps possible but not recommended. use debs. deb from debian mirrors. |
| 17:53.18 | themill | `Taffy: leave your filthy redhat habits at the door, please. You don't download .debs and you don't rpms if you can at all help it. You should use a tool like aptitude to do it all for you. |
| 17:53.28 | Bushmills | default shell = bash, but you choose |
| 17:53.34 | launch | dkremer and for c++ please |
| 17:53.36 | `Taffy | ok....when i askwhat shell it is i mean what does it use? Bash? |
| 17:53.42 | themill | dpkg: tell `Taffy about grounding |
| 17:53.50 | \amethyst | `Taffy: yes, bash is the default user shell |
| 17:53.52 | themill | dpkg: b-e launch |
| 17:53.52 | dpkg | launch: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:54.06 | CharminTheMoose | gtk-window-decorator --replace isn't working.. No decorations are drawn around my windows in compiz.. I'm running debian lenny |
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| 17:54.24 | `Taffy | thank you dpkg |
| 17:54.26 | `Taffy | :) |
| 17:54.36 | dvs | dpkg is stupid |
| 17:54.36 | dpkg | kicks dvs's balls |
| 17:54.40 | dvs | oww |
| 17:54.41 | \amethyst | `Taffy: and at the moment /bin/sh is bash, but that might not always be the case |
| 17:54.43 | themill | !win dpkg |
| 17:54.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:54.47 | aleksanteri | dpkg, why not unstable is sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable. |
| 17:54.47 | dpkg | aleksanteri: what are you talking about? |
| 17:54.52 | Bushmills | spkg, botsnack from `Taffy |
| 17:54.55 | aleksanteri | ah dam |
| 17:54.59 | Bushmills | dpkg, botsnack |
| 17:54.59 | dpkg | Bushmills: :) |
| 17:55.09 | aleksanteri | dpkg: why not unstable is sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable. |
| 17:55.10 | dpkg | aleksanteri: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:55.16 | launch | themill, thanks |
| 17:55.18 | themill | aleksanteri: there's already one for that |
| 17:55.34 | aleksanteri | i know, was just trying to fix a typo :> |
| 17:55.37 | dvs | aleksanteri: try <reply> after the first is |
| 17:55.46 | abrotman | just leave it be |
| 17:55.49 | aleksanteri | yeah |
| 17:55.52 | dvs | abrotman: you're right |
| 17:56.03 | aleksanteri | at least i've got something to say if somebody complains about that typo :P |
| 17:56.05 | `Taffy | thanx guys....ur answers have been very helpful....i will see u all next time on debian hopefully...:P....dejavu ;) |
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| 17:56.23 | aleksanteri | "i tried to fix that but dpkg didn't want to co-operate with me" |
| 17:56.43 | themill | aleksanteri: fixed now |
| 17:57.00 | aleksanteri | right... you msg:d it? |
| 17:57.18 | aleksanteri | and now i come to think of it >.< (sorry my brain isn't working 100%) |
| 17:57.35 | themill | aleksanteri: yeah. And using you can't just overwrite a factoid that already exists like that. You either need to use "no" or use the replace syntax (which is what I did) |
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| 17:57.55 | aleksanteri | right >_> |
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| 18:03.40 | ma3x | has there been any news/updates to the flash plugin for iceweasel? it's terribly slow if you open few sites in flash |
| 18:04.11 | jelly-home | ma3x: is the bug reported? |
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| 18:04.32 | jelly-home | ma3x: not that debian can do anything much about it... |
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| 18:08.11 | snikker | grip don't write accented chars in file names. how can i fix this? |
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| 18:08.41 | htmlol- | alright irssi is frozen and I don't know what to do. |
| 18:08.47 | htmlol- | I don't want to kill it :( |
| 18:09.08 | htmlol- | it's in screen btw. the other sessions are alright but irssi is not responding at all. |
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| 18:09.52 | jake__ | !tvtime |
| 18:09.52 | dpkg | hmm... tvtime is http://sourceforge.net/projects/tvtime, or a drug-free way to promote regularity |
| 18:10.43 | hifi | htmlol-: ^Q |
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| 18:11.16 | htmlol- | I...I love you, hifi! It worked! |
| 18:11.19 | htmlol- | What did that do!? |
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| 18:11.27 | themill | htmlol-: probably hit ^S |
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| 18:11.37 | hifi | ^S frozes the session and ^Q resumes |
| 18:11.49 | htmlol- | heh then it's my fault then. thanks a lot :D |
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| 18:12.16 | htmlol | go away. I'm back. |
| 18:12.21 | themill | htmlol-: XON/XOFF |
| 18:12.22 | htmlol- | yessir. |
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| 18:20.01 | `Taffy | ok my lappy dont like it :P |
| 18:20.38 | `Taffy | can someone tell me where the hardware list is plz :) |
| 18:20.42 | `Taffy | ? |
| 18:21.03 | wols | in the output of lspci |
| 18:21.05 | dvs | `Taffy: what do you need a hardware list for? |
| 18:21.14 | dvs | wols: even better answer. |
| 18:22.24 | wols | !tell `Taffy about errors |
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| 18:22.30 | wols | !tell `Taffy about laptop |
| 18:22.39 | `Taffy | sorry |
| 18:22.58 | `Taffy | i need to know if my hd3870 will work with it and beryl |
| 18:22.59 | `Taffy | :) |
| 18:23.09 | wols | there is no "beryl" |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | didn't i tell you that the other day? |
| 18:23.26 | wols | !tell tazle about compiz |
| 18:23.35 | dvs | `Taffy: the fglrx drivers work |
| 18:23.42 | wols | you will need newer drivers than the one coming with etch that's for sure |
| 18:23.52 | `Taffy | i werent on here the other day :) |
| 18:23.52 | wols | dvs: the ones in etch? |
| 18:24.06 | dvs | wols: no, (should have clarified that) |
| 18:24.07 | `Taffy | so does beryl not exist ne more/ |
| 18:24.08 | wols | !tell `Taffy about compiz |
| 18:24.12 | `Taffy | ?* |
| 18:24.13 | abrotman | you were here yesterday |
| 18:24.20 | wols | no. there is now only compiz-fusion |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | beryl is dead .. rolled into compiz-fusion |
| 18:24.30 | wols | or rather: compiz in etch |
| 18:25.18 | `Taffy | abrotman are u tlking to me? |
| 18:25.27 | wols | yes |
| 18:25.37 | `Taffy | today is the first day i have come onto #debian i'm sure |
| 18:25.54 | wols | maybe you start with telling us what lappy you have most importantly chipset and what errors you get |
| 18:25.54 | `Taffy | i might be wrong |
| 18:26.30 | wols | otherwise we could be telling you factoids until tomorrow and we probably would get angry at you before that |
| 18:26.35 | `Taffy | ah nah my lappy didnt like it i'm gunna install it on my desktop now and then i'll work thru getting it to run on my lappy....thanx tho i will let u know if i need to :) |
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| 18:30.28 | micols__ | TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 88.90.110.234:59896/36919 shrinks window 310235621:310253126. Repaired. |
| 18:30.42 | micols__ | what does this mean? i got it in dmesg, is it a user trying to use my xorg server or nfs share? |
| 18:31.37 | valdyn | micols__: its a broken router somewhere, ignore it |
| 18:31.41 | xingu | micols__: old kernel or busted firewall, usually; something's playing silly buggers with the tcp window |
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| 18:33.07 | xingu | tries to work out why his idling gpu is running at 70C+ |
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| 18:33.38 | jelly-home | becuase you didn't pay it $400 to sit there and do nothing! |
| 18:33.49 | valdyn | xingu: theres a window rendering off screen ( shrunk / different desktop / screen ) ? |
| 18:34.39 | jelly-home | valdyn: only if he has compiz or friends |
| 18:34.47 | xingu | valdyn: possible but not probable; the system is idling per powertop as well as per the nvidia powermizer stats. |
| 18:35.05 | xingu | valdyn: just generating a lot of heat doing it |
| 18:35.17 | valdyn | jelly-home: no, im talking about minimized windows and windows on different virtual desktops or x servers or x screens |
| 18:35.30 | valdyn | xingu: yea i see |
| 18:35.39 | jelly-home | valdyn: minimized windows don't eat at the graphic card |
| 18:35.41 | s4br3 | Hi, a few hours ago I received help with missing sound from here, but I need to leave the computer and could not finish it. However, many of the previous errors are gone and now aplay -l at least doesn't give an error message, but still no sound. |
| 18:35.52 | themill | xingu: because you're not taking away enough heat to keep your coffee warm |
| 18:36.30 | valdyn | jelly-home: just because you dont see it doesnt mean its not computing |
| 18:36.36 | valdyn | jelly-home: and X has issues there |
| 18:36.54 | s4br3 | valdyn: hi |
| 18:37.03 | valdyn | jelly-home: or possibly had, i havent benchmarked that for a while |
| 18:37.28 | jelly-home | valdyn: I know not of a wm that actually does offscreen rendering (other than compiz) |
| 18:37.59 | jelly-home | valdyn: which is why all the windows get redrawn when you switch desktops |
| 18:38.11 | dashs | Trynig to use module-assistant with my customized kernel -- how do I point to my REAL source tree? |
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| 18:43.07 | valdyn | dashs: module-assistant does the same for any kernel, it uses a the symlink : /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 18:43.31 | wols | dashs: did you create a linux-header package? |
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| 18:44.38 | themill | dashs: did you build your customised kernel The Debian Way? |
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| 18:45.06 | dashs | wols: no, been running this version for months -can't recall how the hell I built it, though... |
| 18:45.22 | dashs | themill: I though so. |
| 18:45.25 | dashs | themill: I thought so. |
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| 18:45.48 | wols | dpkg -l |grep linux-image does your kernel version show up? if no, you didn't. if you didn't: congrats, you now can do it again. this time the right way |
| 18:45.48 | dpkg | ii |grep linux-image does your kernel version show up? if no, you didn't. if you didn't: congrats, you now can do it again. this time the right way 3.6-4 wols's private porn collection |
| 18:45.53 | abrotman | dashs: do you even still have the tree still ? |
| 18:46.01 | dashs | I have the tree |
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| 18:46.17 | dashs | plus the 'diff-tree' |
| 18:46.58 | dashs | wols: didn't build the header pkg |
| 18:47.20 | path_ | http://www.camrdale.org/blog/posts/Jun-22-2008.html |
| 18:47.22 | path_ | whats that ? |
| 18:47.29 | themill | path_: a URL |
| 18:47.35 | path_ | apt-p2p ? |
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| 18:47.59 | wols | !tell path_ about search |
| 18:48.02 | poseidon | Will apt-get source --compile <program> also take care of deps? |
| 18:48.03 | valdyn | jelly-home: thats not really the point, that stuff is redrawn whenever, rendering does load the gpu and cpu, no matter if you are on a different desktop / screen or if the window is hidden or whatever, as long as the application itself does not react to being hidden |
| 18:48.16 | dashs | my pkg doesn't appear inthe grep 8-( |
| 18:48.26 | valdyn | jelly-home: the wm can do nothing about that |
| 18:48.39 | jelly-home | valdyn: I didn't think it touched the gpu at all. |
| 18:48.49 | valdyn | jelly-home: it certainly does |
| 18:49.28 | valdyn | jelly-home: it would have to store the information/code required to get the current picture otherwise, thats not feasable |
| 18:49.33 | poseidon | Should I build/install deps manually first, or should it auto download/install the dependencies? |
| 18:49.46 | bokey | wtf is X11 Record extension library? |
| 18:49.49 | xingu | in fact the smaller the visible region the worse the effect can get; the code can wind up in a very tight loop |
| 18:50.28 | xingu | valdyn: if the window is _unmapped_ it's a different story of course; there x11 is inversely broken (cannot render an unmapped drawable) |
| 18:50.42 | valdyn | and with different X servers it gets worse as apps cant even react ( or at least they certainly dont do it ) |
| 18:50.51 | maligor | bokey, they use it to record all your X11 sessions and then they're sent to NSA |
| 18:50.51 | path_ | wols I'd rather go for aptitude search :D |
| 18:51.02 | bokey | maligor: shut up |
| 18:51.03 | bokey | :D |
| 18:51.03 | spx2__ | anybody looking for a freelance programmer ? |
| 18:51.16 | maligor | bokey, it's meant for recording sessions |
| 18:51.19 | dashs | themill: where are the orthodox build instructions for a customized kernel? |
| 18:51.37 | wols | spx2__: don't spam |
| 18:51.40 | bokey | oh my^2 joy of irc |
| 18:51.52 | wols | !tell dashs about kernel-package |
| 18:51.52 | themill | dpkg: tell dashs about compile kernel |
| 18:52.08 | spx2__ | wols: hey sorry |
| 18:52.47 | xingu | jelly-home: if you want to see how evil x11 can be, take a look at xrestop |
| 18:53.19 | jelly-home | xingu: well, memory is one thing, but actively using the gpu? |
| 18:54.10 | themill | jelly-home: I guess if the program is generating draw instructions, something has to receive them and do something with them; some sort of backing store if 2D or the GPU if 3D. |
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| 18:54.31 | xingu | jelly-home: it's about as near an approximation as you get - growing resource footprint ~= gpu burn |
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| 18:55.37 | valdyn | libGl.so would have to query window state |
| 18:55.48 | valdyn | thats surely not happening |
| 18:56.02 | xingu | right so this is totally nuts, doing sweet FA here just a regular old gnome/emerald, powermizer is nailed in lowest performance, powertop is nailed in c3 state, and still 70C core/ 57C ambient on the gpu |
| 18:56.27 | xingu | nuts-o; and judging by temp under the palm rest, I'd say the metric's pretty accurate |
| 18:57.03 | xingu | I think the real problem here is that the notebook shares a single fan/heatpipe across gpu+cpu |
| 18:57.13 | xingu | and it only spins up when the _cpu_ temp spikes |
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| 19:00.22 | dashs | themill: if I want to add a new module (gspca) to this custom kernel, should I put in the tree or merge it later? |
| 19:01.20 | themill | dashs: module-assistant is a nice way of doing this, as long as you're going to use the debian-packages of these module sources to begin with |
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| 19:04.25 | dashs | so, later |
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| 19:07.43 | CharminTheMoose | I've got some problems with unmet dependencies |
| 19:08.03 | CharminTheMoose | can I complain loudly if I'm using the debian-multimedia repository? |
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| 19:08.21 | wols | you can complain to Mr. Marillat but I wouldn't |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | not worth the time :) |
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| 19:08.44 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 19:09.02 | CharminTheMoose | fair enough then.. |
| 19:09.04 | xingu | on the plus side, these 177.x drivers seem to have unbroken powermizer in both dimensions - no random crashes (so far, touch wood); and better scaling algo., it's far stickier downscaling than it was (so performance is less lumpy) |
| 19:09.15 | xingu | oh well |
| 19:09.16 | s4br3 | Can one complain, at all? |
| 19:09.26 | wols | rarely |
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| 19:09.39 | abrotman | complaining to us isn't going to do much good :) |
| 19:09.41 | CharminTheMoose | anywho, i've attempted to 'apt-get -f install' but that seems to just give the exact same thing |
| 19:10.03 | wols | CharminTheMoose: you must be really new here. or drunk |
| 19:10.05 | s4br3 | I get angry with myself mostly |
| 19:10.23 | CharminTheMoose | wols, heh, you haven't seen me here recently? |
| 19:10.27 | wols | CharminTheMoose: and those are the generous things I can come up with |
| 19:10.35 | CharminTheMoose | haha |
| 19:10.44 | wols | CharminTheMoose: I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here |
| 19:10.51 | CharminTheMoose | heh, why? |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: if you want help .. paste the error |
| 19:11.02 | wols | cause your whining right now is simply fucken stupid |
| 19:11.04 | CharminTheMoose | I'm just stating my problem in a potentially humourous way.. |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | fail :) |
| 19:11.14 | wols | you are spamming then channel |
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| 19:12.00 | CharminTheMoose | sorry 'bout that guys |
| 19:12.22 | CharminTheMoose | one sec. i'm waiting for pastebin.ca to load |
| 19:12.35 | wols | don't continue to spam but show something we can help with or shut up |
| 19:12.38 | wols | ideally both |
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| 19:13.05 | wols | PS: don't leave your day job. you're not gonna make it as a standup commedian |
| 19:13.51 | cb3rob2 | wols is in a bit of a mood again. |
| 19:14.10 | CharminTheMoose | http://www.pastebin.ca/1053040 |
| 19:14.53 | abrotman | ffs pastebin sucks |
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| 19:15.34 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: use paste.debian.net .. paste the error again .. and your sources and apt-cache policy libavcodec51 |
| 19:15.36 | wols | FULL output |
| 19:15.50 | themill | the guys at pastebin.ca need to put another quarter in their meter... |
| 19:16.00 | wols | CharminTheMoose: your command and ALL that it outputs. plus the stuff abrotman wanted please |
| 19:16.03 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, and apt-cache policy for the other libs? |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | just one to start |
| 19:16.15 | wols | they need to fix their CSS it seems |
| 19:16.28 | themill | wols: no, it's just that the CSS isn't loaded yet |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: and apt-cache policy blender |
| 19:17.25 | themill | CharminTheMoose: what do you have in your sources.list for both debian and dmm? etch? lenny? |
| 19:18.04 | CharminTheMoose | lenny themill |
| 19:18.19 | themill | CharminTheMoose: because all of those libraries are in the main repo for lenny. |
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| 19:19.09 | themill | CharminTheMoose: btw when you pastebin things like that, you need to pastebin the full output including the command that you issued to begin with. |
| 19:19.18 | CharminTheMoose | sure |
| 19:19.19 | CharminTheMoose | I have |
| 19:20.20 | CharminTheMoose | http://paste.debian.net/7249/ |
| 19:20.35 | \amethyst | is there a reasonable way to sync the package list and configuration of a group of machines, with some exceptions (e.g. Apache only on one machine, hostnames, different PAM configurations?) |
| 19:22.03 | abrotman | package list is easy .. config is a bit more difficult |
| 19:22.16 | Eulex | \amethyst, you could have a 'global' dpkg selections file and a 'patch' for it per machine |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | fails to see a DMM repo |
| 19:22.57 | CharminTheMoose | that ucd one |
| 19:23.10 | \amethyst | Eulex: then when I install on the master, push the new selections out to the slaves? |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: you did a aptitude update before trying to install right ? |
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| 19:23.55 | Eulex | \amethyst, that'd be the idea |
| 19:24.09 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, not aptitude.. |
| 19:24.23 | CharminTheMoose | used apt-get |
| 19:24.27 | \amethyst | Eulex: I was hoping for a premade solution, but that's reasonable and shouldn't be too hard to implement |
| 19:24.36 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: maybe you should be using aptitude ? |
| 19:25.01 | ay^ | abrotman: why? |
| 19:25.05 | \amethyst | Eulex: getting the debconf selections and conffiles right will be tricky |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:25.15 | ay^ | because you don't have to? |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | it's recommended .. and better in most ways |
| 19:25.38 | CharminTheMoose | fair enough.. |
| 19:25.44 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: apt-get install libavcodev51 |
| 19:25.52 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: apt-get install libavcodec51 |
| 19:25.54 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: which architecture ? |
| 19:26.19 | CharminTheMoose | i386 |
| 19:26.35 | Eulex | \amethyst, mhm |
| 19:26.38 | abrotman | wonders if his mirror is out of whack |
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| 19:26.56 | CharminTheMoose | oh dear |
| 19:27.07 | CharminTheMoose | http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 19:27.28 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:27.31 | CharminTheMoose | there seems to be epic b0rkage |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | that's waht you get for using unofficial stuff :) |
| 19:27.45 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: nah |
| 19:27.46 | s4br3 | Hi! Speaker-test gives me a lot of errors ( http://paste.debian.net/7250/ ) and I don't have any sound. Please, what could it be? |
| 19:28.04 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, hurrah! |
| 19:28.24 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: he has a fix there for you |
| 19:28.36 | CharminTheMoose | yeah I noticed |
| 19:28.57 | valdyn | s4br3: how do you manage to fuck up so many files of your alsa system? |
| 19:29.26 | g00se | Can i take it that writing to a pipe over a mounted sshfs is OK? |
| 19:29.27 | s4br3 | valdyn: It takes many years of mixing up one's talents |
| 19:29.35 | s4br3 | :( |
| 19:30.29 | valdyn | s4br3: aptitude reinstall libasound2 libasound2-plugins alsa-base alsa-tools alsa-utils |
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| 19:30.51 | stiv2k | Can I somehow tell gedit to syntax-hilight non-standard filename extensions to a cartain scheme |
| 19:31.20 | \amethyst | g00se: no |
| 19:31.39 | \amethyst | g00se: hm, hold on, my test might have been bad |
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| 19:32.18 | \amethyst | g00se: no, you can't. It's a different pipe on each end |
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| 19:32.47 | s4br3 | valdyn: Thanks. I reinstalled, but get similar output as before http://paste.debian.net/7251/ |
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| 19:34.03 | |Ryan52 | So firefox 3 doesn't trust the CA that debian uses and it doesn't trust CaCert. (old firefox's also didn't, but now it's telling my users that my server is broken when it's not). Both of which I want to trust on my system. How do I do that? |
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| 19:34.44 | abrotman | |Ryan52: import the CA ? |
| 19:34.51 | CharminTheMoose | http://paste.debian.net/7252/ is what I get when attempting to downgrade |
| 19:35.06 | |Ryan52 | abrotman: ya, Im how you do that. |
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| 19:35.32 | abrotman | you're how i do that ? |
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| 19:35.42 | abrotman | i'm sure there's an import thingie somewhere .. i con't have FF3 here |
| 19:36.24 | ZsoL | anybody familiar with the apache dev packages? I don't seem to figure out why it depends on libkrb5-dev |
| 19:36.44 | ZsoL | I mean it builds really fine with heimdal-dev too |
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| 19:37.33 | g00se | amethyst: Thanks. What do you mean by your last sentence btw? |
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| 19:38.25 | tweakism | sigh, still no FF3 final in unstable or even experimental. |
| 19:38.57 | wols | it'S in unstable. and there of course is never a firefox in debian |
| 19:39.05 | tweakism | iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 unstable ftp.debian.org |
| 19:39.09 | \amethyst | g00se: I mean, it functions as a pipe on the client, but writes on the client can only be read on the client (and likewise with the server) |
| 19:39.11 | wols | yes |
| 19:39.11 | abrotman | tweakism: wrong place to complain |
| 19:39.16 | tweakism | that's rc2 isn't it? |
| 19:39.16 | dvs | that's not final |
| 19:39.28 | wols | abrotman: especially wrong thing to complain since he's wrong |
| 19:39.32 | wols | tweakism: and? |
| 19:39.36 | abrotman | !info iceweasel sid |
| 19:39.41 | themill | !ff3 |
| 19:39.41 | dpkg | somebody said ff3 was just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 19:39.43 | tweakism | FF3RC2 is not FF3 Final |
| 19:39.50 | themill | tweakism: ^^ it is |
| 19:39.51 | abrotman | tweakism: eh .. what does the changelog have ? |
| 19:39.56 | tweakism | yes, and FF3RC2 is not FF3RC3 |
| 19:39.59 | wols | the binary IS the final since nothing was changed. unless you run a Mac |
| 19:40.07 | themill | tweakism: read what dpkg just said |
| 19:40.08 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | tweakism: read the whole thing ... |
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| 19:40.23 | g00se | amethyst: Thanks |
| 19:40.23 | tweakism | ok, thanks. |
| 19:40.28 | abrotman | tweakism: rc2 differs from rc3 by an OSX fix .. and rc3 isn't different from release |
| 19:41.01 | themill | tweakism: the final release candidate *should* be the same as the actual thing that is released. That's what is meant by Release Candidate, after all. |
| 19:41.15 | tweakism | well I think a version number bump would be appropriate. |
| 19:41.19 | tweakism | to make this clear to debian users. |
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| 19:41.35 | abrotman | tweakism: file a bug .. it'll be useless .. but it'll make you feel better |
| 19:41.45 | themill | tweakism: there are other bugs that are being worked on though; the version bump will happen when they are solved. Check the bts. |
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| 19:42.55 | tweakism | unrelatedly: does anyone know if I can use linux QoS for locally-generated traffic? This used to be a problem (in like 2002) and I'm having difficulty confirming it was fixed. |
| 19:43.50 | abrotman | holy jeez ... there are so many useless bugs against iceweasel |
| 19:46.03 | valdyn | tweakism: yes. |
| 19:46.07 | wols | tweakism: of course you can |
| 19:47.00 | themill | abrotman: popular packages acquire so many useless bugs it's not funny. Many should have been reported upstream to begin with, and many are just crap but the DD can't just close them... they can only tag them "moreinfo" and see what happens... |
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| 19:47.55 | abrotman | themill: you can't really report iceweasel bugs "upstream" |
| 19:48.27 | themill | abrotman: isn't there a separate bug tracker for iceweasel anyway? There was going to be one... |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | no idea |
| 19:48.41 | s4br3 | valdyn: somehow my card is found (by aplay --l and cat /dev/sndstat ) but not by alsaconf: http://paste.debian.net/7255/ Someone else appears to have had some similar problem last year http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-7476.html |
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| 19:53.30 | Wyzard | s4br3: If aplay "sees" your card, it means you already have your sound driver loaded, and therefore have no need for alsaconf |
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| 19:55.46 | wald0 | since the menu.lst contains root=UUID=..., it is needed for anything the entry "root (hdx,x)" ? or i can remove it without worry ? |
| 19:56.04 | s4br3 | Wyzard: ok. Thanks. |
| 19:57.30 | jelly-home | wald0: root (...) tells grub where to look for those kernel and initrd files |
| 19:57.31 | Wyzard | s4br3: To the best of my knowledge, alsaconf is pretty much completely unnecessary these days |
| 19:57.37 | valdyn | wald0: dont touch that |
| 19:58.07 | wald0 | valdyn: why not ? i want to know if is needed for anything... i have commented it and the system boots correctly, so, why grub uses this line ? |
| 19:58.23 | s4br3 | Wyzard: It is very hard to select for veracity in the help-file jungle |
| 19:58.25 | Wyzard | s4br3: All it did was detect your card and configure the system to load the driver module at boot time, but modern Linux systems do boot-time hardware detection with udev and that'll find the card and load the driver |
| 19:58.28 | valdyn | wald0: why dont you show us the complete line before asking? |
| 19:58.33 | wald0 | jelly-home: ok, and that aren't replaced by the root=UUID=.... part of the next line ? |
| 19:58.41 | valdyn | wald0: why dont you go ahead change random bits here and there ? |
| 19:59.00 | wald0 | valdyn: i don't have any problem, im studying how grub works |
| 19:59.03 | jelly-home | wald0: that root= is an option for the kernel. |
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| 19:59.21 | Wyzard | s4br3: so unless you're using a distribution that doesn't use udev (that is, not Debian) or you have an ancient ISA soundcard that can't be detected automatically, alsaconf is useless |
| 19:59.37 | jelly-home | wald0: two different things. |
| 19:59.55 | wald0 | jelly-home: oh... mmh, then is strange that i can boot my system |
| 20:00.02 | jelly-home | wald0: yes. |
| 20:00.14 | valdyn | wald0: you are still not showing us the complete line |
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| 20:00.28 | wald0 | jelly-home: i can use UUID values on the "root (hdx,x)" line ? |
| 20:00.33 | s4br3 | Excellent to know! |
| 20:00.46 | wols | wald0: ask #elive, not us |
| 20:00.47 | jelly-home | wald0: no. read grub documentation. |
| 20:01.15 | wols | wald0: and aren't you ban evading? |
| 20:01.20 | s4br3 | Wyzard: How do you know?! Is that info available somewhere in the Debian.org? A link? |
| 20:01.29 | wald0 | wols: ban ? |
| 20:01.56 | wald0 | jelly-home: well, that could be nice, on that way if i change my partitions orders or something like this, there's no risk with grub |
| 20:01.57 | Wyzard | s4br3: Not that I know of |
| 20:02.00 | ZsoL | asdf ident is common for those who evade bans |
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| 20:02.30 | s4br3 | Wyzard: ok. Just wyzardry? ;) |
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| 20:03.22 | Wyzard | s4br3: I didn't read it somewhere; I came to this conclusion on my own because I know that a) alsaconf's purpose is to choose a driver module and statically configure that module to be loaded, and b) static configuration of modules is largely unnecessary these days |
| 20:03.48 | jelly-home | wald0: parameters for grub's root command specify which BIOS disk and partition your kernel and initrd files are found on. If partition numbers are changed, it won't be able to find the correct partition by itself. |
| 20:03.58 | s4br3 | ok, you cheated. Intelligence. :D |
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| 20:04.31 | Wyzard | s4br3: and because, from experience, I haven't run alsaconf in years and sound always "just works" |
| 20:04.33 | wols | wald0: sorry. someone with a similar nick as yours was recently banned |
| 20:04.37 | nvz | well I am having a hell of a time trying to set the perms for group read/execute on an ntfs partition. its sets it to root only by default and when I do umask=0550 it makes it -------r-x which I don't quite understand and found no info in the manpage other than the value is suppose to be octal, which I used |
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| 20:04.45 | wols | wald0: and your IP is similar but not the same |
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| 20:05.22 | jelly-home | nvz: umask=022 doesn't work? |
| 20:05.31 | nvz | idk, I haven't tried that |
| 20:05.39 | jelly-home | nvz: what HAVE you tried? |
| 20:05.39 | s4br3 | I yused to have an Yamaha OPL3SAx which required it |
| 20:05.44 | Eulex | nvz, also set uid and gid. |
| 20:05.45 | nvz | cause to me 0550 is owner, group readable |
| 20:05.53 | nvz | Eulex: thats done already |
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| 20:06.24 | nvz | Eulex: I don't care about uid, cause I am using the group winuser(1024) for windows filesystems |
| 20:06.28 | jelly-home | nvz: do you know how umask command works in shell? It's mask that tells the shell which bits NOT to set by default |
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| 20:06.59 | nvz | jelly-home: ah.. I tried man umask, and got nothing, I guess I needed to type help umask |
| 20:07.05 | nvz | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:07.07 | jelly-home | nvz: so, if you want the files to have mod 0550, you use a mask like 027 or 0227 |
| 20:07.11 | wald0 | wols: ok |
| 20:07.21 | Eulex | nvz, 0550 would be a mask for owner, group writable. |
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| 20:08.13 | Wyzard | s4br3: That's a very old sound device, probably ISA rather than PCI |
| 20:08.27 | wald0 | jelly-home: where i can found documentation about this specific line ? i want to know what are the (*) different possibilities, like, there's "sd" instead of "hd" ? |
| 20:08.30 | Wyzard | s4br3: ISA devices generally can't be autodetected like PCI ones can |
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| 20:08.55 | Eulex | s4br3, hah, brings back memories. I programmed that chip back in my DOS days... |
| 20:09.10 | s4br3 | Wyzard: Don't recall the name, but it was some "conf" tool... |
| 20:09.32 | jelly-home | wald0: no idea; grub-doc package? |
| 20:09.42 | wald0 | let me see, thx :) |
| 20:09.43 | s4br3 | Eulex: This is my first modern Linux machine, ever. |
| 20:09.57 | Eulex | right, for isa devices the detector has to try to initialize the driver to see if the hardware's there |
| 20:10.08 | wols | wald0: alway hd0. it's not linux drives either but BIOS drives only |
| 20:10.31 | Eulex | s4br3, :) |
| 20:10.54 | wald0 | wols: ok, so, hd1 is like the primary slave ? mmmh, i think that sata disks works in a different way |
| 20:11.13 | nvz | umask=027 is what I wanted then |
| 20:11.21 | wols | wald0: all the same. and it's simply "2nd drive as recognized by BIOS" |
| 20:11.40 | wols | if you have no primary slave it could be secondary master |
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| 20:11.53 | Wyzard | wald0: GRUB device names like (hd0) and (hd1) don't have any fixed relationship to notions like "primary master" or "primary slave", and have nothing to do with IDE/SATA/SCSI/etc. |
| 20:11.57 | wald0 | ok, then i have nothing more to ask :)... thx wols / jelly-home |
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| 20:12.04 | nvz | that works a lot better ;) |
| 20:12.16 | nvz | the mount manpage assumes you know what a umask is.. heh |
| 20:12.19 | wald0 | mmmh, ok |
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| 20:12.22 | cusco | hey dudes |
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| 20:12.25 | Wyzard | wald0: The BIOS detects drives in some unspecified order using some unspecified means, and assigns a number to each |
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| 20:12.38 | nvz | it could at least tell you where to find info on umask |
| 20:12.54 | cusco | are we going to have a firefox 3 equivalent? |
| 20:13.05 | Eulex | it's already in unstable |
| 20:13.15 | Wyzard | wald0: GRUB uses that number to ask the BIOS to do I/O on a particular drive, and doesn't know or care about how the device is actually connected; the BIOS takes care of the details |
| 20:13.19 | cusco | ah is it |
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| 20:13.32 | cusco | Eulex: what is the name of the package? iceweasel 3? |
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| 20:13.37 | zmainframe | Question: How can I have udev automatically create /media/VOMUME_LABEL mount points with /dev/VOLUME_LABEL devices in Debian. Kinda like SLES10 |
| 20:13.42 | jelly-home | nvz: it's supposed to be common knowledge |
| 20:13.44 | wald0 | Wyzard: ok... so, unafortunately we can't use uuid's for that :/ |
| 20:13.49 | Eulex | cusco, iceweasel. |
| 20:13.53 | cusco | oops ok |
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| 20:14.27 | Wyzard | wald0: In my experience, the drive that the BIOS has chosen as the "boot drive" is always numbered 0, so grub is effectively always loaded from (hd0) |
| 20:14.42 | jmichaelx | could someone tell me whether or not the netinstall CD contains the wireless utilities (i.e. iwconfig, iwlist, etc.)? i am hoping to finish the installation using wireless... |
| 20:14.55 | crodgers | hello everyone, i am trying to install powerpc debian on an old ibook. the install goes smoothly, but when i boot up 3/4 of my screen is black and the screen wraps over the top. any ideas/suggestions? |
| 20:15.37 | Wyzard | zmainframe: It does that automatically... I haven't had to do anything special to set it up |
| 20:15.47 | Wyzard | zmainframe: though I'm running unstable; I don't know whether etch does that |
| 20:16.17 | zmainframe | Wyzard, I am running sid as well, but I don't know they it doesn't work, I reinstalled udev and get the current version of Hal and dbus |
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| 20:17.18 | zmainframe | Wyzard, how can I tell apt to replace the entire udev rules: apt-get install --reinstall udev ? |
| 20:17.56 | Wyzard | zmainframe: The rules files are marked as conffiles, I think, so --reinstall won't replace them |
| 20:18.12 | zmainframe | I don't think I can uninstall udev and do a purge because it would kill the current /dev stuff correct? |
| 20:18.17 | Wyzard | zmainframe: Get the udev .deb file and "dpkg -i --force-confmiss" it... that should work, I think |
| 20:18.20 | s4br3 | Is there a way to purge all packages marked with a "c"? |
| 20:18.32 | zmainframe | Wyzard, Thanks, I'll try it now. |
| 20:18.33 | zmainframe | brb |
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| 20:18.57 | Wyzard | zmainframe: It "just works" for me already though... I just put in an etch CD that I burned a few minutes ago, and it mounts as "/media/Debian 4.0r3 amd64 Bin-1" |
| 20:19.31 | zmainframe | Wyzard, yeah, that is exactly what I want it to do! Ok, maybe its just a config thing then. |
| 20:19.47 | Wyzard | s4br3: In aptitude's interactive mode, highlight the "not installed packages" heading and press '_' |
| 20:19.50 | jelly-home | s4br3: there's always a way. you could script it or sift thru aptitude's filter options to see how to select just those |
| 20:20.04 | zmainframe | Wyzard: Cool, I'll let you know in a few |
| 20:20.10 | Wyzard | s4br3: removed-but-not-purged packages are in that section, and when you press the purge key, it marks everything in the section for purge |
| 20:20.27 | fr00g_ | hi, df shows: /dev/mapper/noname-tmp 392M 392M 84K 100% /tmp, but there is nothing in /tmp... how can i check what is takeing the capacity? |
| 20:20.41 | s4br3 | Wyzard: What is the 'interactive mode'? |
| 20:20.51 | jelly-home | fr00g_: lsof -n |grep deleted |
| 20:21.00 | Wyzard | s4br3: run aptitude without any arguments |
| 20:21.08 | fr00g_ | thank you jelly-home |
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| 20:22.15 | Wyzard | s4br3: Scroll up and down with arrow keys, Enter to expand and collapse sections, '+', '-', and '_' to mark packages for install, remove, and purge respectively |
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| 20:22.20 | s4br3 | Wyzard: Cool! Funny i had never seen that |
| 20:22.35 | jelly-home | fr00g_: in Linux, deleted but still open files are kept until all the processes close them or exit. lsof helps figuring out those still-opened files |
| 20:22.45 | Wyzard | s4br3: 'u' to download package lists (like "apt-get update"), 'g' to display what's about to be installed/removed, 'g' again to go ahead and do it |
| 20:23.11 | Wyzard | s4br3: 'U' to mark all available upgrades to be installed |
| 20:23.32 | fr00g_ | jelly-home: ah!! i just even tried to fiure out what have i done. thank you again :) |
| 20:23.44 | fr00g_ | *figure |
| 20:24.33 | Wyzard | s4br3: I like it because you can browse through the dependencies, and fiddle with things manually to resolve dependency conflicts (which is especially useful in unstable) |
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| 20:26.48 | s4br3 | Wyzard: Is there a webpage with all the short commands and keystrokes? |
| 20:27.26 | Wyzard | s4br3: Probably, but you can type '?' within aptitude to get a list |
| 20:27.58 | s4br3 | Wyzard: But I don't see any obvious field for typing |
| 20:28.09 | jelly-home | there is no field. |
| 20:28.29 | s4br3 | jelly: aaah |
| 20:28.39 | s4br3 | jelly: thx |
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| 20:29.20 | jmichaelx | could someone tell me whether or not the netinstall CD contains the wireless utilities (i.e. iwconfig, iwlist, etc.)? i am hoping to finish the installation using wireless... |
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| 20:30.09 | s4br3 | Ok, that will have me going for many hours! :) Thanks! I need to sieve my old doings... :) |
| 20:30.21 | s4br3 | bye |
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| 20:31.40 | abrotman | jmichaelx: moment |
| 20:31.55 | abrotman | jmichaelx: yes .. it seems to |
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| 20:32.15 | jmichaelx | abrotman: ty very much |
| 20:32.16 | wols | !cd content |
| 20:32.16 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 20:32.38 | wols | jmichaelx: it won't have your drivers probably tho |
| 20:32.38 | jmichaelx | ty wols |
| 20:32.56 | abrotman | jmichaelx: which wifi card do ytou have ? |
| 20:32.58 | Wyzard | wishes the etch install CD supported AHCI |
| 20:33.01 | zmainframe | Wyzard: Still not working |
| 20:33.28 | Wyzard | or maybe it's just SATA CD drives that it's not supporting |
| 20:33.33 | jmichaelx | wols: i am planning to use the lenny beta netinstall cd, which should have the 2.6.24 kernel... and i am using an rt2500-based adaptor, so i think i'll be good |
| 20:33.55 | Wyzard | zmainframe: dunno then |
| 20:34.29 | zmainframe | Wyzard: Thanks, I'll keep seeing what else it could be |
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| 20:34.38 | zmainframe | if I find out, I'll post the solution. |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | jmichaelx: or you can use etchnhalf |
| 20:35.07 | jmichaelx | abrotman: that is something i am not familiar with. i'll look it up. |
| 20:35.18 | abrotman | !tell jmichaelx about etchnhalf |
| 20:35.29 | abrotman | jmichaelx: if you're going to use lenny anyways .. don't bother .. but if you want etch . .it is an option |
| 20:35.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: I thought lenny beta installer _was_ the way to install etchnhalf |
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| 20:36.00 | abrotman | it would install lenny ? |
| 20:36.05 | jmichaelx | abrotman: that is very insteresting |
| 20:36.29 | jmichaelx | my understanding is that the beta2 lenny netinstall CD will install lenny |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | there are also kmuto installers |
| 20:36.48 | jmichaelx | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:36.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, not if you tell it to suite=etch |
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| 20:37.04 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 20:37.25 | jelly-home | (which is what the wiki page says about installing it) |
| 20:37.48 | jmichaelx | i will give this a try, and report back if it doesn't work (in the off chance anyone cares, lol) |
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| 20:41.15 | Taffy | hey all :) |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | heee'ss baaaack |
| 20:42.20 | wols | jmichaelx: it won't |
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| 20:42.38 | zmainframe | Wyzard: I got it to work! |
| 20:42.41 | Eulex | how do I get the changelog of a debian package, without using pdo? |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | apt-listchanges |
| 20:42.51 | jelly-home | aptitude changelog whatever |
| 20:42.59 | wols | !tell jmichaelx about rt2x00 |
| 20:43.05 | Wyzard | zmainframe: What'd you do? |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | wols: that driver is in the .24 in lenny |
| 20:43.15 | Eulex | thank you :) |
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| 20:43.24 | zmainframe | Wyzard: Needed to reboot. I'm not sure why, since I restarted udev. |
| 20:43.29 | wols | abrotman: and? what will the driver do without firmware? |
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| 20:43.37 | jelly-home | didn't know apt-listchanges had a standalone more |
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| 20:43.40 | jelly-home | mode* |
| 20:43.53 | zmainframe | Wyzard: Thanks a bunch! |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | wols: i didn't think that needed firmware .. FIIK .. yay orinoco \o/ |
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| 20:46.40 | Wyzard | I'm installing etch using the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" option, and it looks like it's automatically trying to wipe the old contents of the disk before installing, which will take a long time since it's a 250GB disk... how can I prevent it from doing that? |
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| 20:49.06 | n-iCe | heeeeeeeeeey!! |
| 20:49.14 | n-iCe | :< |
| 20:49.21 | n-iCe | nothing works now |
| 20:49.21 | n-iCe | I am on console |
| 20:49.23 | n-iCe | I can't start X |
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| 20:49.58 | n-iCe | who was helping me?? |
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| 20:50.06 | slxix | runs away. |
| 20:50.18 | n-iCe | who was? |
| 20:50.36 | soulchild | Can anyone tell me how to burn on a DVD-RAM, somehow that DVD is readonly,... |
| 20:50.52 | soulchild | (using lenny) |
| 20:51.07 | slxix | n-iCe: can you use lynx/w3m/links? |
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| 20:51.45 | slxix | actually, nevermind that. |
| 20:52.02 | slxix | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:52.05 | n-iCe | slxix: what's that? |
| 20:52.27 | n-iCe | slxix: what should I do know? |
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| 20:52.33 | n-iCe | what's the command for reconfigure? |
| 20:53.25 | slxix | try: mv /etc/X/xorg.conf /etc/X/xorg.conf.bak |
| 20:53.36 | n-iCe | brb |
| 20:53.49 | Wyzard | soulchild: If you want to use it in packet-writing mode, so you can just mount it and copy files to it, you need the udftools package |
| 20:53.52 | slxix | and don't panic. |
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| 20:54.30 | Wyzard | soulchild: To just burn a filesystem on it like you would on a DVD-R or DVD-RW, use growisofs (I'm assuming that works on a DVD-RAM too) |
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| 20:56.21 | poseidon | I have a fairly clean debian lenny install. I have only installed two libraries from the unstable source repository so far. Can I just change my sources.list to unstable to upgrade to unstable? |
| 20:56.49 | [0x41] | i have install libpng, and still get this error : configure: WARNING: Could not find libpng in the pkg-config search path |
| 20:56.49 | [0x41] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.18 | themill | slxix: if n-iCe comes back, he's trying to get an i965 card working with the etchnhalf drivers as that card's not supported by etch itself. |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | [0x41]: libpng-dev |
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| 20:58.13 | Wyzard | [0x41]: The libpng12-0 package is just the .so file for running programs that are already compiled |
| 20:58.27 | Wyzard | [0x41]: To compile new programs using libpng you need its header files, which are in libpng12-dev |
| 20:58.33 | slxix | oh. i'm going to work soon. i wanted to get him to get the pastebin pipe going so he can ask a much better question... |
| 20:58.39 | ZsoL | in apt_preferences, is all the matching pin-priority values added up for a particulary package? |
| 20:58.40 | [0x41] | thanks alot :) |
| 20:59.24 | soulchild | Wyzard: The problem is: the DVD-RAM is mounted read-only |
| 20:59.25 | slxix | but i don't think he even knows about switching consoles.. ! |
| 21:00.19 | Wyzard | soulchild: There are two ways you can use a rewritable DVD |
| 21:01.07 | Wyzard | soulchild: The more common way is to burn it as an ordinary data DVD, which means it's read-only when you mount it, but you can erase it and burn a whole different set of files to it |
| 21:01.19 | [0x41] | another issue. Please install freetype and fontconfig, then try again: |
| 21:01.19 | [0x41] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.29 | fr00g_ | hi, how can i fix this: Failed to initialize wxWidgets ? |
| 21:01.38 | Wyzard | soulchild: The other way is to format it for packet writing, which lets you mount it read-write |
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| 21:01.54 | fr00g_ | (occured by gnuplot) |
| 21:01.58 | soulchild | Wyzard: well, i try the first thing,.... thank you |
| 21:01.59 | Wyzard | soulchild: and modify individual files (rather than having to erase and re-burn the whole disc) |
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| 21:02.23 | Wyzard | soulchild: To burn it as an ordinary data DVD, unmount it and use growisofs to burn new data on it |
| 21:02.39 | themill | fr00g_: did you install gnuplot from the debian packages? |
| 21:02.46 | Wyzard | soulchild: To format it for packet writing, take a look at the udftools package |
| 21:02.46 | soulchild | Wyzard: the second way, sound quite better how do i format it for package writing |
| 21:02.56 | soulchild | Wyzard: okay,.. thank you |
| 21:03.09 | Phase | Is FF3 in testing yet, or maybe a deb somewhere? |
| 21:03.14 | Wyzard | soulchild: I don't have much experience with udftools |
| 21:04.09 | Wyzard | soulchild: I used to have it installed, but I noticed problems where occasionally I couldn't eject a disc even though it was unmounted because it was still considered in-use by the packet driver (even though it was an ordinary data disc, not using packet writing) |
| 21:04.09 | Wyzard | soulchild: so I uninstalled udftools |
| 21:04.13 | [0x41] | Phase, i'm trying to install FF3 , but i have to manually install GTK+ |
| 21:04.45 | Wyzard | [0x41]: You're trying to install FF3 on etch but etch's GTK isn't new enough for FF3, right? |
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| 21:04.50 | soulchild | Wyzard: that is the problem i am having right now |
| 21:04.56 | [0x41] | Wyzard, yeah |
| 21:05.03 | soulchild | Wyzard: even eject does not work,.. ?`??? |
| 21:05.19 | Wyzard | [0x41]: Manually compiling another version of GTK and overwriting the packaged one would be a bad idea |
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| 21:05.37 | [0x41] | Wyzard, i want FF3 though =( |
| 21:06.00 | Wyzard | [0x41]: backports.org might have a backported FF3 available (if not now, then maybe later) |
| 21:06.09 | Wyzard | [0x41]: If not, then use something newer than etch |
| 21:06.22 | themill | Wyzard: no.. it's very hard to backport because of the gtk dep |
| 21:06.26 | fr00g_ | themill: yes, well i have used aptitude... it wored for me... |
| 21:06.33 | soulchild | Wyzard: how do i eject the DVD now ? do i have to reboot ??? |
| 21:06.33 | fr00g_ | *worked |
| 21:06.34 | [0x41] | Wyzard, is there anything newer and stable than etch ? |
| 21:06.35 | Wyzard | [0x41]: blindly manually compiling new versions of system libraries like GTK is a good way to screw up your system |
| 21:06.42 | soulchild | [0x41]: lenny |
| 21:06.46 | Wyzard | soulchild: Unmount it |
| 21:06.48 | `Taffy | ahh |
| 21:06.53 | soulchild | Wyzard: I did |
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| 21:06.57 | themill | hands soulchild the magic bent paperclip |
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| 21:07.12 | Wyzard | soulchild: Do you have the udftools package installed? |
| 21:07.16 | soulchild | yes |
| 21:07.21 | [0x41] | Soulchild, is there a way to upgrade without a fresh install ? |
| 21:07.28 | Wyzard | soulchild: Run "/etc/init.d/udftools stop" |
| 21:07.41 | abrotman | soulchild: lenny is not "stable" don't advertise it as such |
| 21:07.42 | dustybin | what is the name of the cdrtools package in debian? |
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| 21:07.45 | soulchild | [0x41]: change sources list and apt-get update && upgrade |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | dustybin: wodim |
| 21:07.50 | abrotman | soulchild: STOP |
| 21:07.58 | dustybin | thanks! abrotman why the name change? |
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| 21:08.05 | abrotman | dustybin: joerg schilling |
| 21:08.09 | soulchild | Wyzard: ahh works,.. great |
| 21:08.10 | dustybin | ?! |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | soulchild: your instructions are wrong .. |
| 21:08.18 | [0x41] | abrotman, is it worth the upgrade to lenny ? |
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| 21:08.35 | soulchild | abrotman: why ? |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | [0x41]: things may still break .. that's up to you .. it's mostly usable .. some things are broken |
| 21:08.39 | Wyzard | dustybin: It's modified, not the exact original upstream cdrtools, and the upstream author (who's a bit of a jerk) doesn't want his name on it |
| 21:08.47 | abrotman | soulchild: just keep quiet .. your instructions were wrong |
| 21:08.52 | Wyzard | dustybin: so Debian renamed the programs and removed references to Joerg Schilling |
| 21:08.55 | dustybin | Wyzard: i see |
| 21:09.00 | [0x41] | abrotman, i'll leave it |
| 21:09.02 | dustybin | good idea |
| 21:09.03 | \amethyst | dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wodim#Fork |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | [0x41]: many people use it .. but there are things that could still break |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 21:09.20 | dpkg | wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 21:09.23 | themill | dpkg: tell [0x41] about moving target |
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| 21:09.42 | [0x41] | abrotman, would i be able to use FF3 on it ? |
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| 21:10.45 | [0x41] | themill, good point. |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | [0x41]: uhm .. not officially yet (probably soon) .. but the stuff from mozilla would at least install and function |
| 21:10.45 | [0x41] | i'll stay with stable. |
| 21:10.46 | [0x41] | abrotman, i'll stick with the stable. |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | they should have tried to push the rc1/2 into lenny |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | oh well .. i guess it's too broken |
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| 21:11.18 | soulchild | Wyzard: I just mounted a DVD-Ram, udftools is running, how do I erase the entire disc ? |
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| 21:12.36 | enouf | soulchild: can you remount it rw? |
| 21:12.36 | jmichaelx | just to let you all know, the lenny beta netinstall CD is working well with my PC & wireless adaptor :-D |
| 21:12.37 | Wyzard | soulchild: I don't know, sorry; there should be documentation in the udftools package |
| 21:12.44 | soulchild | enouf: how ? |
| 21:12.51 | enouf | mount -oremount |
| 21:12.53 | [0x41] | thanks for all the help guys =) |
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| 21:13.09 | enouf | mount -o remount,rw,noauto,users,async,noatime /media/cdrom even |
| 21:13.12 | soulchild | enouf: it is readonly |
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| 21:13.23 | enouf | ... |
| 21:14.13 | Wyzard | enouf: It's not formatted for packet writing yet and doesn't contain a writable filesystem |
| 21:14.31 | enouf | Wyzard: you sure? if so, then ok, mkfs :-P |
| 21:15.43 | owen1 | i install evince. it's installing samba pacak |
| 21:15.43 | soulchild | enouf: there is no mkfs.udf !?! |
| 21:15.54 | owen1 | samba packages. why? |
| 21:16.02 | Wyzard | but you have to do a special format procedure on the DVD before you can use it as a writable block device and run mkfs on it |
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| 21:16.25 | Wyzard | soulchild: mkudffs |
| 21:16.35 | Wyzard | soulchild: but you have to format it for packet writing first |
| 21:16.44 | enouf | soulchild: mkudffs - Format a device, creating an empty UDF filesystem |
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| 21:16.52 | soulchild | Wyzard: hmmm,... i think the other mehtod was easier, wasn't it ? |
| 21:17.03 | Wyzard | looks like the command for that is "pktsetup" (from the udftools package description) |
| 21:17.05 | facedown | How do you extract like 10 zip files at once? |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | how amazing that ~$ apt-cache show udftools command is :-p |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | owen1: which versoin of debian ? |
| 21:17.25 | facedown | They all start with na |
| 21:18.18 | owen1 | abrotman: etch |
| 21:18.25 | abrotman | using apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 21:18.50 | owen1 | abrotman: aptitude. i thought it's better. |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | owen1: paste the aptitude output in a pastebin |
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| 21:20.03 | enouf | aren't the mount ranier and fuji specs wonderful? |
| 21:20.08 | enouf | !standards |
| 21:20.08 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 21:20.22 | themill | !win ooxml |
| 21:20.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, ooxml! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:20.34 | enouf | heh |
| 21:20.41 | Wyzard | enouf: I've read that Linux supports Mt. Rainier, but it requires some out-of-the-way tool that isn't packaged in Debian |
| 21:20.57 | Wyzard | "apt-cache search rainier" turns up absolutely nothing |
| 21:21.02 | slxix | Wyzard: like hiking boots? |
| 21:21.06 | enouf | Wyzard: it does, grep -i mrw /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 21:21.08 | owen1 | abrotman: before i do it. how can i clean the system from unused packages (i canceled the download in the middle) |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | aptitude clean .. i think is what you're asking for |
| 21:21.51 | themill | owen1: don't worry about it. aptitude handles interrupted downloads gracefully |
| 21:22.19 | Wyzard | enouf: hmm, that's interesting... my Samsung SH-S203B supposedly "supports MRW", but according to that /proc file, it can read it but not write it |
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| 21:22.31 | enouf | Wyzard: alternatively; ~$ sdparm -a /dev/hdd | grep -i mr (though those meanings are a bit more obscure) |
| 21:23.04 | soulchild | I just don't get it to work, this DVD-RAM, Wyzard: I think the other way was quiet easier, wasn't it ? |
| 21:23.26 | soulchild | could u give me an overview again, please |
| 21:23.42 | enouf | Wyzard: ew.. both my nec dvdrw drive nd-3500a and my liteon cdrw returns rw for both |
| 21:23.50 | ktwilight_ | themill, hm, so i just tried the fakeroot way, it's still the same error :/ |
| 21:24.17 | ktwilight_ | enouf, any ideas on how to re-package a deb file from apt-get source <pkg>? |
| 21:24.17 | enouf | well, i mean; Can read MRW: 1 1 |
| 21:24.21 | enouf | and Can write MRW: 1 1 |
| 21:24.27 | abrotman | !tell ktwilight_ about source |
| 21:25.01 | enouf | ktwilight_: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:25.04 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, done that, that's where i get an error http://rafb.net/p/mUcUzK15.html ;) |
| 21:25.13 | Toad | is there a package for ff3 on lenny? |
| 21:25.14 | ktwilight_ | enouf, ^ |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | Toad: not yet .. still in unstable only |
| 21:25.31 | Toad | abrotman: k. one coming soonish? |
| 21:25.46 | themill | ktwilight_: what are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 21:25.47 | abrotman | WIR |
| 21:26.28 | ktwilight_ | themill, so there's a package - pound - that i need to recompile with a specific --enable-msdav option. i've edited the debian/rules, and now i'm stuck at repacking it into .deb. |
| 21:26.30 | themill | ktwilight_: have you tried unpacking the source afresh and then: fakeroot dpkg-build-package -uc -us |
| 21:26.30 | wols | ktwilight_: first, you get the source with apt-get source again, then you try to build the deb there right as it is |
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| 21:26.40 | wols | ktwilight_: then you see if it's a "good" package |
| 21:26.46 | ktwilight_ | oh...? |
| 21:26.50 | enouf | ktwilight_: don't use debuild... use the instructs in "/msg dpkg ssb" (apt-get -b source ....) ..oh, so run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:26.53 | themill | wols: I've done that bit and it works |
| 21:26.53 | soulchild | is there a patient person, who can help me burning lenny Iso on a DVD-RAM ? |
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| 21:26.55 | ktwilight_ | no, didn't try that yet. |
| 21:26.58 | wols | only when this step succeeds then you make your changes and try again |
| 21:26.59 | ktwilight_ | enouf, kk |
| 21:27.05 | wols | themill: not you. HIM must do it |
| 21:27.08 | ktwilight_ | wols, ah, ok... |
| 21:27.16 | ktwilight_ | themill, yea, i forgot about that :/ heh my bad... |
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| 21:27.19 | ktwilight_ | tries it cleanly |
| 21:27.27 | owen1 | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/d65a14418 |
| 21:27.39 | themill | wols: yeah... but that was in a clean etch chroot so the package itself is fine |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | owen1: i'd guess it's gnome-vfs |
| 21:28.06 | wols | themill: but he must manage first to do it cleanly himself since as we see he doesn't know jack about it |
| 21:28.14 | owen1 | abrotman: what do u mean by vfs? |
| 21:28.14 | ktwilight_ | hm, the new fresh apt-get source does fine. |
| 21:28.33 | enouf | virtual file system owen1 |
| 21:28.35 | wols | so you are botching it up |
| 21:28.39 | themill | owen1: the gnome virtual filesystem. It allows programs to open things that are on remote servers |
| 21:28.41 | wols | what are you changing? |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | owen1: evince depends on a lot of gnome packages .. one of them being gnome-vfs |
| 21:28.47 | ktwilight_ | wols, just the debian/rules |
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| 21:29.00 | wols | WHAT ar you changing? |
| 21:29.02 | themill | ktwilight_: that is a crucial file... |
| 21:29.11 | Wyzard | enouf: That command returns "CMRS 1 [cha: n, def: 1]" on my Lite-On LH-20A1S (which does not support Mt. Rainier according to marketing materials) |
| 21:29.11 | Wyzard | enouf: and both "MRIE 0 [cha: n, def: 0]" and "CMRS 1 [cha: n, def: 1]" on the Samsung SH-S203B (which does support Mt. Rainier according to marketing materials) |
| 21:29.14 | Wyzard | I have no idea what either of those lines mean though |
| 21:29.15 | ktwilight_ | adding --enable-msdav to ./configure? |
| 21:29.19 | abrotman | owen1: evince requires libgnomeprint .. which recommends smbclient |
| 21:29.20 | Wyzard | /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info says 1 to "can read MRW" on the Samsung and 0 on the Lite-On, but 0 to "can write MRW" for both drives |
| 21:29.21 | ktwilight_ | can't be THAT bad right? |
| 21:29.29 | Wyzard | soulchild: Normal DVD-style burning with growisofs is pretty straightforward |
| 21:29.29 | ktwilight_ | themill and wols ^ |
| 21:29.31 | Wyzard | soulchild: Packet writing is more complicated to set up |
| 21:29.33 | Wyzard | soulchild: I've never used a DVD-RAM disc, only R and RW |
| 21:29.38 | themill | ktwilight_: that should be fine. Now try again with the same command for building |
| 21:29.38 | abrotman | owen1: you could try passing the -R which should excluce recommends |
| 21:29.59 | owen1 | abrotman: i'll try |
| 21:30.12 | themill | owen1: it's not trying to install samba, only the samba client libraries |
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| 21:30.22 | abrotman | or it was some combo like that |
| 21:30.37 | ktwilight_ | themill, strange, it works now. does it matter if there's a debian/rules.orig file in there? |
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| 21:30.44 | enouf | Wyzard: i'm about stuck right where you are with that - never had a need to know any more about it ;-) |
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| 21:30.59 | owen1 | do u know of other good pdf reader? |
| 21:31.02 | ktwilight_ | 'cuz that seems to be the only possibility? |
| 21:31.05 | kosak | hello people |
| 21:31.29 | Wyzard | ugh, my Internet connection is having issues |
| 21:31.30 | themill | ktwilight_: you had probably created files that the build system couldn't overwrite. Starting from fresh source is often a good way of getting around problems |
| 21:31.59 | ktwilight_ | themill, hm. thanks for the tip. i must keep this in mind :) sorry for the trouble. |
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| 21:32.09 | themill | ktwilight_: no problem |
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| 21:32.51 | Wyzard | enouf: but according to http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/Linux/ht-mtrainier.shtml you have to download and compile a cdmrw.c to actually use your drive's MRW support |
| 21:33.05 | Wyzard | enouf: though admittedly that page is nearly three years old |
| 21:33.06 | enouf | ktwilight_: what does pound do? and what does enable-msdav do? |
| 21:33.29 | ktwilight_ | enouf, microsoft DAV ;) pound is a load balancer cum proxy |
| 21:33.31 | enouf | Wyzard: heh ... no thanks :-p |
| 21:33.57 | enouf | ktwilight_: ok - forget i asked :-P |
| 21:34.16 | ktwilight_ | :) |
| 21:34.25 | Wyzard | enouf: and http://reactivated.net/software/packetwriting/ suggests that DVD-RAM discs can be used as writable block devices without jumping through any hoops |
| 21:34.40 | enouf | ktwilight_: micropoop dave? what happened to Bob? O_o |
| 21:34.49 | themill | heh |
| 21:35.12 | ktwilight_ | reiser bought him over |
| 21:35.23 | abrotman | owen1: did it work ? |
| 21:35.51 | enouf | Wyzard: sure - if it works correctly - i recall some issue with the UDF driver choking on anything over 4GB, so support for RW was kind of killed ~ .18-22 ish |
| 21:36.06 | themill | owen1: for other pdf readers, I use kpdf. Adobe reader is available on debian multimedia (/msg dpkg dmm) |
| 21:36.24 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't have any DVD-RAM discs to try with though |
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| 21:36.35 | enouf | owen1: that adobe reader is called acroread |
| 21:36.55 | enouf | Wyzard: me neither |
| 21:37.01 | Wyzard | enouf: FWIW, I've burned UDF filesystems bigger than 4GB with brasero, and they seem to work OK |
| 21:37.19 | enouf | and for good reason :-P Neither of my drives support dvd-ram :-p |
| 21:37.21 | Wyzard | enouf: well, with growisofs (brasero is a GUI frontend) |
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| 21:37.44 | enouf | Wyzard: which kernel though |
| 21:37.58 | Wyzard | enouf: 2.6.24 |
| 21:38.08 | enouf | Wyzard: well, it's been fixed :-) |
| 21:38.32 | enouf | Wyzard: but, it might;ve only been an issue when trying to burn 1 single file, that's larger than 4GB |
| 21:38.35 | pflanze | Hello. Why does dist-upgrade ignore apt pinning and go with the newest dist? I'm having both testing and unstable in sources.list but /etc/apt/preferences set to "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n" so what's wrong? |
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| 21:38.54 | Wyzard | enouf: That's a different problem... a limitation of iso9660, I believe |
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| 21:39.08 | enouf | Wyzard: no, it was a UDF issue, i recall specifically |
| 21:39.12 | Wyzard | enouf: and afaik growisofs doesn't let you make a pure UDF, only a UDF+iso9660 "bridge" disc |
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| 21:39.44 | enouf | perhaps .. and those options come from wodim/cdrecord, IIRC |
| 21:39.46 | Wyzard | enouf: anyway, I do get an error if I try to put a file bigger than 4GB on a disc... but it's an error from growisofs when trying to burn, not an error from a kernel filesystem driver when trying to mount |
| 21:39.50 | owen1 | abrotman: i think so. it asked for less packages. |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:40.03 | owen1 | abrotman: what's the secret? |
| 21:40.10 | abrotman | of what? |
| 21:40.12 | enouf | Wyzard: right, i never said it was a mount issue - it's a writing issue |
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| 21:41.34 | owen1 | abrotman: of -R |
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| 21:41.51 | enouf | Wyzard: i like getting to the bottom of thngs as much as you do ;-) but i recall looking for lkml.org or ANY related info concerning what i recall a while back - and i couldn't find jack shit then |
| 21:42.04 | enouf | Oh .. do i like bottoms :-P |
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| 21:42.13 | abrotman | owen1: it's in the man page |
| 21:42.32 | Wyzard | enouf: The error message I got was something to the effect of "there's no way to represent this file size in the filesystem" |
| 21:42.49 | enouf | pflanze: does this concern the monit pkg? |
| 21:42.57 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. i'll look it up. thanks |
| 21:43.13 | pflanze | enouf: no, xchat in my case (was fetched from sid) |
| 21:43.13 | enouf | Wyzard: maybe it was just "ignored" and not fixed then :-P |
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| 21:43.26 | enouf | pflanze: fetched how? |
| 21:43.34 | pflanze | enn: "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:43.48 | enouf | pflanze: what? |
| 21:44.03 | enouf | pflanze: tht infers you have sid sources then |
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| 21:44.20 | pflanze | enn: I ran "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" then xchat was 2.8.6-1 whereas before it was 2.8.4-.. |
| 21:44.24 | themill | pflanze: xchat has the same version is lenny and sid |
| 21:44.37 | enouf | hence, you built it? |
| 21:44.38 | pflanze | themill: but not when I look at packages.debian.org |
| 21:44.47 | valdyn | Wyzard: mkisofs cant create udf-only images |
| 21:45.02 | enouf | using -dvd-video ? |
| 21:45.09 | valdyn | it just cant. |
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| 21:45.12 | pflanze | themill: also /var/lib/apt/* files contain the old version of xchat for testing |
| 21:45.13 | themill | pflanze: ahh.. 2.8.6 was uploaded today |
| 21:45.23 | enouf | oh, .. duh, you said can't |
| 21:45.23 | Wyzard | valdyn: I know... and i think the >4GB file problem is an iso9660 problem, not a UDF problem |
| 21:45.27 | enouf | my bad |
| 21:45.39 | valdyn | Wyzard: sure, yes |
| 21:45.59 | enouf | then go ahead and write one ;-) |
| 21:46.19 | enouf | using any udf tool / driver / whatever |
| 21:47.06 | valdyn | guess nero could do it, but thats not free |
| 21:47.09 | enouf | i know the iso9660 4GB max issue - and IIRC, mode3 (or was it 4) should overcome that, but nobody cares :-P |
| 21:48.34 | valdyn | or probably mkudffs from the udftools |
| 21:48.44 | enouf | there was a time when nero4linux versions weree given out free and asked to be tested (beta release?) just a few months prior to full release - i did grab a copy (and key(IIRC), but never used it |
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| 21:49.30 | Wyzard | speaking of Nero stuff, their free-as-in-beer DiscSpeed tool is pretty cool... it's Windows-only though |
| 21:50.53 | Wyzard | there's a free program called qpxtool that's supposed to be equivalent, but it didn't work when I tried it (detected my DVD+RW disc as a CD, and wouldn't let me do any scans) |
| 21:51.12 | enouf | Wyzard: http://grigio.org/how_burn_file_4gb_dvd_udf ??? |
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| 21:52.42 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah, there's all sorts of best "write stategy" tools for windows :-p |
| 21:52.56 | Wyzard | It's not a write-strategy tool |
| 21:53.13 | enouf | Wyzard: well, who care about speed if you're not concerned with write quality? |
| 21:53.14 | g00se | Have to start fixing Windoze boxes soon (ugh). Is there AV scanning software i can load onto a Linux ramdisk that'll scan the MBR too? |
| 21:53.42 | cb3rob2 | arr. |
| 21:53.49 | Wyzard | It does quality scans on CDs and DVDs -- reads the disc and graphs the C1/C2 or PI/PO error rates reported by the drive |
| 21:53.59 | cb3rob2 | why the hell would you scan the mbr if you boot linux anyway.. |
| 21:53.59 | enouf | Wyzard: disk speed means jack shit - unless, (and i have used the tool, but it's been YEARS), it show/warns you not to write beyond a certain sector |
| 21:54.11 | Wyzard | as well as drive capability tests and speed benchmarks |
| 21:54.40 | enouf | correct - so, ergo, judging the quality of said media - which varies GREATLY between Manu + Drive == "write strategy" |
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| 21:55.08 | cb3rob2 | time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg |
| 21:55.13 | enouf | i would not get the same results with my NEC as you would with your Samsung using the same exct media |
| 21:55.24 | Wyzard | Well, using the wrong write strategy can result in poor-quality burns, but so can a lot of other factors |
| 21:55.36 | cb3rob2 | oh cd crap |
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| 21:55.55 | cb3rob2 | cd's are poor quality anyway. |
| 21:55.58 | enouf | anyways - i've given up pretty much on optical crap - HDDs and GiBs and TiBs ftw \o/ |
| 21:56.05 | cb3rob2 | usually one or two bits wrong out of every 640mb |
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| 21:56.14 | enouf | cb3rob2: nobody care what you think :-p |
| 21:56.15 | Wyzard | DiscSpeed quality scans recently helped me ascertain that my burner was broken, actually -- high error rates on burned DVD media, even the ones that didn't have unrecoverable read errors |
| 21:56.25 | SerajewelKS | does 2.6.25 do weird crap for anyone else? |
| 21:56.31 | cb3rob2 | enouf: until they want to master cd's for proper publishing :P |
| 21:56.33 | SerajewelKS | processes randomly stop responding etc |
| 21:56.38 | cb3rob2 | then they suddenly do start caring :P |
| 21:56.41 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: That's true on hard drives too, and the drive silently corrects the errors using the built-in ECC so you never see it |
| 21:56.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: vagueness kills baby jesus |
| 21:56.57 | cb3rob2 | wyzard: only thing is the cd drive never fixes it :P |
| 21:56.57 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the lkml or the bts or the kernel bugzilla are probably better places to look |
| 21:57.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not sure how much more specific i can get... |
| 21:57.03 | enouf | Wyzard: seen readcd -c2scan ? |
| 21:57.04 | abrotman | or ##kernel |
| 21:57.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: checked the bts already |
| 21:57.16 | enouf | Wyzard: nowadays it's called 'readom' |
| 21:57.18 | Wyzard | enouf: yes, but that doesn't work on DVD media |
| 21:57.25 | enouf | guess not |
| 21:57.26 | SerajewelKS | i remember someone else in here saying that 2.6.25 did odd things for them, just hoping to catch that person again |
| 21:57.39 | Wyzard | and DiscSpeed provides much more information |
| 21:57.45 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: yes it does |
| 21:57.48 | SerajewelKS | the most noticable thing is processes that get stuck in sleep |
| 21:58.08 | enouf | sure does, now stop being a nero salesperson :-p |
| 21:58.10 | cb3rob2 | wyzard: no it doesn't.. it corrrect scratches and so upon -read- but it doesn't 'write around' bad sectors and stuff. |
| 21:58.46 | pflanze | I just can't reproduce it anymore after removing xchat and xchat-common; whatever I do I always get the testing version now. |
| 21:58.51 | pflanze | Hate apt. |
| 21:59.04 | abrotman | pflanze: you use a strange distro if you don't like apt |
| 21:59.14 | enouf | Wyzard: Hardware defect management was supposed to be employed with -RAM and even +RW .. but guess what? :-P |
| 21:59.41 | themill | cb3rob2: you're implying that it is never possible to burn a CD and then get the contents back off it which is plainly wrong. |
| 21:59.46 | pflanze | apt makes me cringe sometimes so much that I'm almost tempted to try something else, yes. |
| 21:59.58 | abrotman | pflanze: you'll be back!! |
| 22:00.02 | cb3rob2 | themill: well.. it would be more or less of an accident if the disk happened to be perfect. |
| 22:00.03 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 22:00.20 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Hard drives and CD drives both get wrong bits when reading |
| 22:00.22 | SerajewelKS | pflanze: have fun with yum and rug |
| 22:00.24 | enouf | pflanze: no idea wht on earth the issue was - i lost track, but you did something wrong ;-) |
| 22:00.27 | pflanze | abrotman: I came from redhat based distros in about 2001, I know Debian was better. But I hate apt, that's a fact. |
| 22:00.35 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Hard drives and CD drives both correct the wrong bits using ECC, and return correct data |
| 22:00.35 | cb3rob2 | wyzard: only harddisks have raid :P cd drives don't :P |
| 22:00.45 | cb3rob2 | harddrives also have a bad sector table (multiple) |
| 22:00.50 | cb3rob2 | cd's dont |
| 22:00.54 | themill | cb3rob2: which would mean you could never install off cd which is plainly wrong. |
| 22:01.03 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Mt. Rainier CD drives do |
| 22:01.22 | cb3rob2 | cd drives just spin up and start burning the data, there is no check afterwards, unless you rip the iso again and do a compare on it |
| 22:01.30 | SerajewelKS | is there a point to this CD discussion or are we just having a public shitting match |
| 22:01.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: latter |
| 22:01.39 | themill | pflanze: apt >> anything that redhat does, in my experience. |
| 22:01.39 | enouf | Public shitting :-P |
| 22:01.42 | cb3rob2 | well.. it's not debian specific anyway |
| 22:01.45 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 22:01.45 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: but defect remapping is a separate matter from random wrong bits that you get even from non-"bad" areas |
| 22:02.06 | pflanze | I hate apt as a tool, not the Debian package format or anything like this; and I hate it because I never understand what it does, and it really seems to want me it's sources. |
| 22:02.29 | abrotman | pflanze: you're doing it wrong :) |
| 22:02.35 | pflanze | want me *read* it's sourfces |
| 22:02.35 | enouf | Wyzard: but those specs are put into effect in real world use cases - unfortunately |
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| 22:02.41 | SerajewelKS | pflanze: after using redhat for some couple of years i can assure you apt is one of the saner tools out there |
| 22:02.45 | enouf | s/are/are not* |
| 22:02.45 | G-- | hi. |
| 22:03.10 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Do a quality scan of a CD or DVD sometime... you'll see that there's a low rate of bit errors all across the disc, most of which are corrected by the first-stage ECC and the rest of which are corrected by the second-stage ECC, so from userspace you see zero wrong bytes |
| 22:03.17 | cb3rob2 | ok, i admit, i don't like cd's, have never seen the point in them as there were hardcards and harddisks around at that time anyway and mechanical stuff just sucks. furthermore they proved not to be reliable enough even for mastering audio cds when they finally became recordable at $20 per disk and $2000 per writer |
| 22:03.23 | cb3rob2 | so i'm a bit biased. |
| 22:03.23 | enouf | pflanze: did you build a pkg? why do you have sid sources? |
| 22:03.28 | G-- | do most hosting sites offer you a DNS for the domain you bought? |
| 22:03.31 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: The same is true of hard drives; you just don't see it because the correction is done internally by the drive's firmware |
| 22:03.33 | cb3rob2 | however, the technology still sucks, even compared to harddisks |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | G--: hi .. this is #debian |
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| 22:03.51 | SerajewelKS | G--: how is that remotely a debian-related question |
| 22:03.55 | abrotman | G--: ask them .. not us |
| 22:03.56 | themill | pflanze: sounds like you've not changed your mindset from the dirtiness of rpms. Any time something seems difficult or kludgy with apt, you're doing it wrong... come and talk to us again and we'll see if we can help. |
| 22:04.01 | G-- | well, |
| 22:04.01 | cb3rob2 | arr pirate |
| 22:04.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: :( |
| 22:04.08 | G-- | it is linux related |
| 22:04.13 | abrotman | G--: but Debian ? |
| 22:04.14 | pflanze | enouf: no, because I needed newer xorg; but I''ve *always* used both unstable and testing on systems where I tracked testing, to mix/match as needed, seemed like to work better. |
| 22:04.17 | SerajewelKS | G--: so is ubuntu, we don't support that either |
| 22:04.19 | streuner | G--: there is ##linux |
| 22:04.19 | abrotman | cb3rob2: stop that already |
| 22:04.22 | G-- | ok |
| 22:04.24 | G-- | thanks |
| 22:04.28 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Audio CDs have less error correction as a *design decision* to allow more room for data, because a few errors in audio can be filled in by the player and you don't hear anything wrong |
| 22:04.38 | enouf | Wyzard: lasers have a long way to go .. atleast in overseas 20$ optical drives :-P |
| 22:05.14 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: However, with some care it's possible to get bit-perfect rips of most audio CDs |
| 22:05.21 | themill | points cb3rob2 and everyone else who wants to talk about cds and error correction into #debian-offtopic |
| 22:05.26 | enouf | pflanze: so you installed a 'newer' xorg? and then recently added xchat? |
| 22:05.32 | pflanze | enouf: some years ago people actually *recommended* to also put unstable in the sources for tracking testing, in combination with pinning. And it even worked, today it didnt' anymore. |
| 22:05.33 | cb3rob2 | enouf: first of all, start changing the direction of the laser with magnetics, like in a tv, no mechanical moving around stuff. |
| 22:05.35 | cb3rob2 | yuk. |
| 22:05.51 | pflanze | enouf: no, xchat was there since I installed that machine ~3 months ago |
| 22:05.53 | SerajewelKS | guys. seriously. go away. |
| 22:06.07 | pflanze | enouf: even before I upgraded xorg iirc. |
| 22:06.15 | abrotman | pflanze: whoever told you that should be shot |
| 22:06.20 | valdyn | cb3rob2: since you can bend light with a magent you should probably publish how and get a nobel prize |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:06.35 | pflanze | abrotman: the reason was that some testing packages wouldn't work without dependencies from unstable |
| 22:06.37 | enouf | hugs the earth |
| 22:06.39 | cb3rob2 | valdyn: it's done in every tv. |
| 22:06.44 | valdyn | cb3rob2: no |
| 22:06.49 | cb3rob2 | although actually those are electrons |
| 22:06.52 | abrotman | pflanze: which happens from time to time .. but normally not needed, nor recommended |
| 22:06.53 | themill | pflanze: that should never have been the place |
| 22:06.54 | valdyn | cb3rob2: electron beam != light |
| 22:06.54 | cb3rob2 | but they show up as light. |
| 22:06.58 | pflanze | abrotman: or/and also because if testing packages broke, you still had the chance to upgrade to the unstable ones as a second chance |
| 22:07.05 | themill | cb3rob2: enough. |
| 22:07.14 | SerajewelKS | are we at the point yet where we can ban people |
| 22:07.21 | enouf | cb3rob2: it's the gun that scans the screen, and it's not a laser :-P |
| 22:07.26 | Wyzard | cb3rob2: Join #debian-offtopic and I'll explain to you how a CRT actually works, if you'd like... they don't use beams of light |
| 22:07.31 | abrotman | he's already there |
| 22:07.31 | Laser | yay |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | LASER! |
| 22:07.48 | Laser | :P |
| 22:07.48 | themill | cb3rob2: You are clearly out of your depth again and you are making shit up. Now stop making a fool of yourself in here. |
| 22:07.55 | cb3rob2 | stop humping zhe giant laser. |
| 22:08.03 | pflanze | abrotman: also, for important security fixes you sometimes don't want for testing to be updated. |
| 22:08.04 | themill | valdyn, enouf: stop feeding the trolling tard |
| 22:08.06 | enouf | DARPA + Laser == SkyNet + SELinux ? |
| 22:08.09 | enouf | runs |
| 22:08.17 | abrotman | pflanze: testing has security updates now |
| 22:08.21 | Laser | is getting text-zapping |
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| 22:08.41 | abrotman | !tell pflanze about testing security |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | thank you guys |
| 22:09.06 | cb3rob2 | hmm. well.. afaik the phosphor is there to after-glow |
| 22:09.10 | streuner | cb3rob2: aren't you involved in sixx.net? |
| 22:09.11 | abrotman | cb3rob2: wrong channel |
| 22:09.23 | cb3rob2 | streuner; nope |
| 22:09.28 | streuner | hm |
| 22:10.04 | streuner | is tired of listening Dream Theater |
| 22:10.17 | themill | cb3rob2: please be silent on this channel unless you have debian-related questions or answers. Even if other people ask you off-topic questions... You're the troll at the moment, please don't be fed. |
| 22:10.42 | streuner | themill: bullshit |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 22:11.04 | enouf | ruh roh .. rhaggy? |
| 22:11.08 | cb3rob2 | i suggest you google up the term 'troll' first. |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | enough already |
| 22:11.30 | enouf | says enouf! :-) |
| 22:11.37 | streuner | cb3rob2: we don't need no education of trolls either |
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| 22:20.09 | g00se_ | Does the latest live CD have any form of Fl/Gnash? |
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| 22:20.28 | streuner | themill: cb3rob2 has a potty mouth, but i don't think he is a REAL troll |
| 22:20.54 | abrotman | streuner: drop it |
| 22:21.21 | streuner | abrotman: sometimes you are really boring :-) |
| 22:21.24 | g00se_ | Sorry guys - wrong channel |
| 22:21.28 | owen1 | try to share a folder on NFS and get access denied. any clue? |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | streuner: you could msg him if you like |
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| 22:22.00 | streuner | abrotman: you could also msg me :-P |
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| 22:22.27 | abrotman | why? |
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| 22:23.14 | streuner | abrotman: i don't like /msg much |
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| 22:23.29 | streuner | (if we have an issue, we discuss that here) |
| 22:23.32 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 22:26.33 | valdyn | owen1: which fs is that folder on? |
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| 22:27.26 | owen1 | valdyn: it's on my home. i assume it's ext3 |
| 22:27.55 | owen1 | here is the line in /etc/exports : /home/oren/shared 192.168.1.1/24(rw,no_root_squash,subtree_check) |
| 22:27.59 | valdyn | owen1: did you check permissions on the file you are trying to access? |
| 22:28.05 | Bushmills | owen1, sounds like an ubuntu problem |
| 22:28.32 | owen1 | the server is debian. client is ubuntu laptopp |
| 22:28.32 | valdyn | Bushmills: how do you know? |
| 22:29.55 | bobstro | i see several greylisting options for postfix. is one recommended over the rest? |
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| 22:30.12 | Bushmills | bobstro, postgrey works well. |
| 22:30.22 | Bushmills | bobstro, don't know about preferable |
| 22:30.47 | owen1 | valdyn: it's empty folder. the error appears when i type the mount command on the client: sudo mount 192.168.1.2:/home/oren/shared/ home/yuka/shared |
| 22:30.58 | Bushmills | bobstro, there's a different rfc-compliancy check coming up: double mx records. spambot mailers don't send to both. |
| 22:31.25 | bobstro | Bushmills: ok, thanks. was wondering if using one that requires SQL was worth it. postgrey sounds lightweight, which is good for my (hosted setup). |
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| 22:32.18 | bobstro | Bushmills: it the name from your favorite drink? |
| 22:32.18 | bobstro | Bushmills: er... *is*? |
| 22:32.53 | Bushmills | one of them :) |
| 22:33.32 | technoid_ | PayneCountyPantyDropper is too long for a nick... |
| 22:33.36 | Bushmills | am actually not that far from the destillery here :) |
| 22:34.52 | bobstro | Bushmills: got an intro to Black Bush years ago, pleasant stuff. |
| 22:35.22 | Bushmills | yeah, is ok. try the single malt. |
| 22:35.49 | petemc | questionable employment practises in the past, tho |
| 22:36.24 | bobstro | Bushmills: i'm no connoisseur, just enjoyed it. i guess i'm OT. :) |
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| 22:39.18 | owen1 | valdyn: here is the folder i try to access - drwxr-xr-x 2 oren oren 4096 2008-06-22 14:58 shared |
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| 22:43.09 | g00se | Have to start fixing Windoze boxes soon (ugh). Is there AV scanning software i can load onto a Linux ramdisk that'll scan the MBR too? |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | g00se: stop repeating .. use google |
| 22:43.54 | g00se | abrotman: it *was* a few minutes ago now ;-) |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | g00se: the only thing i can think of would be the ultimate boot CD |
| 22:44.17 | g00se | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 22:44.27 | Danker | Hi |
| 22:44.35 | Danker | Why there isn't webmin for etch? |
| 22:44.44 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 22:44.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 22:45.20 | streuner | Danker: serveral security issues |
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| 22:45.33 | abrotman | and it sucks :) |
| 22:45.51 | Danker | Yap |
| 22:45.53 | Danker | It sucks |
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| 22:46.26 | Danker | I am having strange routing issues so I thought that webmin maybe could show something useful |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | or you could learn the correct tools |
| 22:46.56 | Danker | I know how to use ip route |
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| 22:48.08 | streuner | well, basic idea is, you should have a clue about what you're setting up, i.e. MTA... |
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| 22:50.07 | Danker | I am setting up internet sharing for my local network machines, but I get very strange (not working) behavior. With same setup I had it working on another machine, but on this one it doesn't work as supposed |
| 22:50.19 | Alfarin | question: how often does etch gets package updates (on average)? I have a server, which, being lazy, I don't want to log in and run apt-get update follow by apt-get upgrade everyday, and I don't want it to automatically upgrade things w/o my supervision, so I want to know how frequent I should be logging in to do those. |
| 22:50.33 | streuner | Danker: there is ipmasq and quota |
| 22:50.52 | Danker | ipmasq doesn't suit my needs |
| 22:50.52 | garytayl | has anyone had any luck setting up flash9 on iceweasel on kde3.5? Any links or how tos? |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | Alfarin: subscribe the DSA announcements |
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| 22:51.25 | themill | Alfarin: /msg dpkg cron-apt ; /msg dpkg apt-listchanges ; /msg dpkg dsa |
| 22:51.26 | streuner | garytayl: try klash |
| 22:51.28 | abrotman | Alfarin: and also to the debian-announce (i think that's what it is) which owuld announce the service releases |
| 22:52.11 | streuner | but keep in mind, flash sucks |
| 22:52.42 | garytayl | streuner: is that like gnash?, or a kde thing? |
| 22:52.50 | streuner | !info klash |
| 22:53.04 | abrotman | garytayl: which version of debian ? |
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| 22:53.25 | dpkg | klash: (free Flash movie player - standalone player for KDE), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 321 kB, Installed size: 872 kB |
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| 22:54.35 | garytayl | streuner: 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP ... I think the AMD64 is a big part of the problem. |
| 22:54.52 | Alfarin | thanks abrotman + themill |
| 22:54.59 | Alfarin | subscribed to dsa now :) |
| 22:55.37 | garytayl | streuner: oops sorry, I believe Lenny testing is what I'm using |
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| 22:56.11 | garytayl | streuner: I just upgraded a couple of days ago |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | you could also try gnash |
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| 22:56.45 | abrotman | doesn't amd64 konq still require the nspluginwrapper ? |
| 22:57.17 | themill | Alfarin: no worries. cron-apt is nice because it will email you when updates are ready. If you have a private mirror/repo, you can set your machines to automatically install packages from that with cron-apt and then feed in packages to it when you're happy with them. |
| 22:57.35 | streuner | garytayl: for what do you need flash at all? |
| 22:58.22 | bobstro | Bushmills: looks like postgrey is working fine, thanks for the tip! |
| 22:58.30 | garytayl | streuner: just the normal stuff, right now can't even watch youtube |
| 22:59.03 | streuner | garytayl: youtube-dl works and save stuff as .flv |
| 22:59.38 | streuner | any videoplayer should be able to play .flv very well |
| 22:59.45 | garytayl | streuner: I installed gnash, but I keep getting not new enough version of flash. any work around would be fine |
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| 23:01.23 | streuner | do something real important, not only watch videos ;-) |
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| 23:03.04 | garytayl | Gotta watch to learn to be sufficient enough to do something important :) |
| 23:03.06 | owen1 | is the only why to find my ip is ifconfig? |
| 23:03.15 | owen1 | (i don't have this command) |
| 23:03.19 | dustybin | when i ssh into my lenny box it shows the last user who logged in as a resolved host |
| 23:03.36 | dustybin | pretty cool |
| 23:04.15 | garytayl | owen1: run ifconfig as root or su |
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| 23:04.25 | themill | owen1: /sbin/ifconfig (root not required) |
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| 23:05.37 | owen1 | themill: works. 10x |
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| 23:05.55 | themill | owen1: no worries |
| 23:07.11 | garytayl | streuner: klash installed, youtube still complains of my obsolete flash :( thanks for trying! |
| 23:07.26 | streuner | try youtube-dl |
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| 23:07.38 | abrotman | garytayl: FWIW .. i use flash from adobe.com .. and have no issue s.. but i'm not on amd64 |
| 23:07.52 | streuner | (sure, that works) |
| 23:08.09 | streuner | non-free stuff |
| 23:08.38 | streuner | its still a PITA with a 1.4 Ghz CPU |
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| 23:10.01 | garytayl | I think from what little i've found, the 64 bit stuff is the problem, because some of the required libraries only come in 32 bit. But i'm far from experienced in that area |
| 23:11.03 | garytayl | i just got a good buy on an hp laptop which had the amd64 cpu :( so much for good deals... |
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| 23:12.15 | abrotman | garytayl: you can run i386 on amd64 |
| 23:15.07 | garytayl | streuner: pardon my ignorance, but what does "try youtube-dl" mean to a layman? is it a url, a program, or what? |
| 23:15.29 | streuner | it just download the video and save it to your box |
| 23:15.35 | streuner | !info youtube-dl |
| 23:15.40 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.03.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 23:16.01 | brick | why would i get permission denied, trying to chown files mounted by CIFS? they are all showing up as "1027:users", probably because there is no user 1027 on this box, but i am root, so how to fix it? |
| 23:16.09 | garytayl | ah-ha, ok, thanks... |
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| 23:16.17 | hellues | hjey |
| 23:16.32 | hellues | firefox 3.0 is in any debian`s repo ? |
| 23:16.46 | streuner | sure, in unstable |
| 23:16.53 | themill | dpkg: tell hellues about ff3 |
| 23:16.58 | streuner | !info iceweasel |
| 23:17.00 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB |
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| 23:18.17 | cb3rob2 | "optional" haha.. try to remove it and make iceape the default browser again.. and then there is this other piece of crap too.. uh.. what's it called.. 'gnome web browser' and that other thing.. too.. |
| 23:18.22 | launch | Hi all, is there a music player to listening shoutcast radio like winamp for windows |
| 23:18.33 | cb3rob2 | mplayer ? |
| 23:18.44 | streuner | cb3rob2: epihany? |
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| 23:18.48 | cb3rob2 | jup that one |
| 23:18.52 | cb3rob2 | epihany |
| 23:19.00 | streuner | keep in mind, almost all browsers suck nowadays ;-) |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | launch: audacious |
| 23:19.07 | cb3rob2 | tons of crappy 'light' browsers that just ignore apt-get remove :P |
| 23:19.08 | abrotman | launch: probably many players do |
| 23:19.11 | launch | thanks abrotman |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | launch: xmms in etch probably does also |
| 23:19.34 | streuner | cb3rob2: tell news |
| 23:19.37 | hellues | elesa |
| 23:19.47 | hellues | launch, you can use elesa |
| 23:19.50 | cb3rob2 | well.. iceape crashes from time to time with the flash plugin but that still doesn't mean i want the other ones around, let alone as the default browser |
| 23:20.03 | hellues | is not a player but it has shortcust radio |
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| 23:20.18 | streuner | iceape is the one which sucks less, in my experience |
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| 23:20.39 | hellues | strawks, how about icedove ? |
| 23:20.40 | abrotman | launch: apt-cache search shoutcast |
| 23:20.43 | streuner | (if you need the whole crap, javascript, flash and and) |
| 23:21.08 | launch | yes but i search a player that show the list of all server like winamp |
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| 23:22.01 | dimedo | is anyone running an up-to-date rubygems version on debian etch= |
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| 23:22.04 | cb3rob2 | and then i found this file to specify the default browser (and some other default stuff) and guess what, it's happily ignored by pretty much everything :P |
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| 23:22.27 | cb3rob2 | not like eterm will suddenly start up iceape like it should when you click open link from a telnet window |
| 23:22.29 | cb3rob2 | nooo\ |
| 23:22.36 | cb3rob2 | it starts that gnome browser crap thing |
| 23:22.44 | petemc | moan moan moan |
| 23:22.45 | streuner | cb3rob2: feel free to send a patch |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | because you did it wrong .. |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | shutup already |
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| 23:23.10 | cb3rob2 | streuner: how to explain that one to users :P.. they expect websites to work (including flash and java crap ;) |
| 23:23.14 | streuner | .oO (that sounds like the last warning...) |
| 23:23.38 | cb3rob2 | streuner: oh my.. bans don't work anyway :P |
| 23:23.46 | cb3rob2 | don't even try haha :P |
| 23:23.52 | streuner | kline maybe? |
| 23:23.59 | cb3rob2 | plenty of ips left after that |
| 23:24.07 | cb3rob2 | and since when are klines issued for channel specific crap |
| 23:24.26 | themill | dpkg: tell cb3rob2 about reportbug |
| 23:24.40 | themill | cb3rob2: send patches. Oh, and try reading first. |
| 23:24.55 | cb3rob2 | arr matey. |
| 23:25.00 | cb3rob2 | that sounds like an idea. |
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| 23:26.01 | streuner | try to be more constructive, we don't need to know about things which don't work in Linux... |
| 23:27.53 | cb3rob2 | well.. as in constructive.. an option to go 'i don't care about copyrights and patents because 1: i'm not a hippie 2: i'm not in the matrix and 3: i've got diplomatic immunity or do not live in a dictatorship |
| 23:28.02 | cb3rob2 | and therefore i want all the codecs and flash plugins and the works installed. |
| 23:28.17 | cb3rob2 | ah and export-restricted crypto stuff too if any |
| 23:28.17 | cb3rob2 | :P |
| 23:28.22 | cb3rob2 | would be nice |
| 23:28.28 | cb3rob2 | everyone else can then just use it on their own risk :p |
| 23:28.29 | streuner | .oO (that wasn't good thing in order to get any points in my sympathy...) |
| 23:28.52 | streuner | themill: sorry, he is a troll :-) |
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| 23:29.01 | cb3rob2 | no i'm not, it's a valid point. |
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| 23:29.11 | abrotman | once again . it's offtopic .. |
| 23:29.27 | streuner | if you aren't care about DFSG, you aren't here in a good mind |
| 23:29.35 | cb3rob2 | the fact that some retarded countries (let's say 200 out of the 206) have laws against such stuff don't mean you should bother all offshore people and inhabitants of the other 5 with them :P |
| 23:29.41 | cb3rob2 | and people that don't care in general |
| 23:29.58 | streuner | we are care about DFSG |
| 23:30.01 | cb3rob2 | we don't all terrorize our own citizens you know :P |
| 23:30.15 | cb3rob2 | with undemocratic corrupted laws such as the american dmca |
| 23:30.22 | themill | cb3rob2: If you don't care about copyright then perhaps you shouldn't be using debian or any any GNU software are all but go over to the BSD crowd. Oh, and when you do, remember to /part. |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | cb3rob2: for the last time .. keep it on-topic |
| 23:30.49 | cb3rob2 | abrotman: it -is- on-topic :P |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 23:31.03 | cb3rob2 | it's about debian and it's a feature request :P |
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| 23:31.27 | abrotman | politics and copyright law are not on topic .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 23:31.50 | cb3rob2 | well.. there once was a non-us version too when there was export restrictions on some crypto stuff |
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| 23:31.54 | cb3rob2 | i don't see the difference here. |
| 23:32.18 | cb3rob2 | what's next, the us comes up with a law against porn and debian stops including browsers that display porn? |
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| 23:32.49 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 23:32.57 | cb3rob2 | (cuz apart from the flash plugin which isn't open source (i get that bit)) i really don't see why not to include codecs which may or may not be patented but opensource non the less |
| 23:33.08 | man_in_shack | is there a way to disable X screen locking when you close the lid of a laptop? |
| 23:33.16 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 23:33.25 | cb3rob2 | man_in_shack: it's at the screensaver thinyg |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | man_in_shack: check the acpi lid script |
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| 23:34.02 | cb3rob2 | hmm it's not but i've seen it somehwere. |
| 23:34.14 | cb3rob2 | that is it's not there on this pc :P |
| 23:34.55 | abrotman | man_in_shack: on lenny .. the lid.sh calls the screensaver stuff |
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| 23:37.36 | man_in_shack | abrotman, is there a way to disable it just for a single user? |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | man_in_shack: maybe the DE would have a way .. like gnome/kde power features ? |
| 23:38.20 | man_in_shack | running xfce |
| 23:38.48 | themill | man_in_shack: your desktop environment can control that. e.g. kpowersave -> General settings -> Lock screen on lid close. nfc where that would be on xfce. |
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| 23:41.37 | owen1 | i add 192.168.1.2 to etc/exports (and i type exportfs -a) but when i type /sbin/showmount -e i see 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:42.32 | enouf | cb3rob2: and man_in_shack dpkg -L acpi-support-* ..but not sure that's how to go about that to disable it for a $USER only |
| 23:44.42 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search acpi-support-* .. so, one pkg, is just acpi-support |
| 23:44.43 | apt | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 23:44.57 | enouf | heh, shaddup apt_ :-P |
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| 23:45.27 | man_in_shack | turns out the lid script doesn't restart xscreensaver if it's closed |
| 23:45.43 | enouf | is waiting for the coffee->bicardi effect to kick in ;-) |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | man_in_shack: lid.sh on my box calls the screensaver bits |
| 23:45.48 | man_in_shack | i've now added "xscreensaver-command -exit" to my xfce autostart |
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| 23:46.22 | man_in_shack | abrotman, sure, but it doesn't start xscreensaver if it's not running |
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| 23:46.28 | Seb | what's a tool to dump all the NET_* info for a given X window ? |
| 23:46.50 | enouf | maybe xwininfo ? |
| 23:46.57 | man_in_shack | xprop |
| 23:47.03 | enouf | ahh |
| 23:47.04 | Seb | man_in_shack: ah thanks ! |
| 23:47.55 | Seb | enouf: yeah I tried that but that wasn't it; xprop is |
| 23:49.20 | enouf | Seb: righto |
| 23:49.48 | man_in_shack | xprop was very useful for beryl/compiz :) |
| 23:49.59 | enouf | Seb: when i find a util that's 'close', i always look at the references to other man pages at the bottom ;-) |
| 23:51.17 | Toad | hey all... trying to get sound to work using flash plugin on amd64 inside nspluginwrapper |
| 23:51.41 | Toad | mpg123 can play sound fine, but not getting anything out of iceweasel |
| 23:51.54 | Toad | I've googled a bit, but it seems like all the solutions require setting up chroots and such.... |
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| 23:52.22 | enouf | hrm, does one also need the mplayer-flash-plugin thingy there? .. no idea, i won't let any SWFlashCrapPoop near my boxen ;-) |
| 23:52.39 | enouf | flv though, mplayer plays with ease |
| 23:52.44 | Wyzard | Toad: The flashplugin-nonfree package set up Flash using nspluginwrapper |
| 23:53.03 | Toad | Wyzard: I don't seem to have a flashplugin-nonfree available for amd64 |
| 23:53.11 | Toad | (lenny) |
| 23:53.14 | Wyzard | It's in sid; dunno about lenny |
| 23:53.34 | enouf | Toad: search on p.d.o |
| 23:53.41 | Wyzard | and it works, including sound |
| 23:53.47 | enouf | btw - did pdo come back? |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:54.14 | streuner | it works like a charm today |
| 23:54.14 | enouf | \o/ pdo |
| 23:54.46 | Toad | yea flashplugin-nonfree is in etch-backports and sid |
| 23:54.56 | Toad | can I install the sid package on lenny you think? |
| 23:55.17 | enouf | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing |
| 23:55.17 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:56.21 | themill | enouf: it's not in testing because it's not suitable for stable; that won't be reflected in that page. |
| 23:56.29 | themill | !adobe flash testing |
| 23:56.30 | dpkg | If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291#37). Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem. |
| 23:56.41 | Toad | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291 |
| 23:56.52 | enouf | themill: figures ... |
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| 23:57.24 | enouf | themill: more friggin hoops for the weenies to jump through .. /sigh |
| 23:57.47 | Toad | *nod* |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | enouf: gnash in testing though |
| 23:57.54 | Toad | this is why linux won't ever take over the desktop for anyone but geeks |
| 23:57.55 | themill | enouf: yeah well... it's either called "stable" or it isn't and adobe just doesn't get it. |
| 23:58.00 | Toad | abrotman: gnash won't play youtube, will it? |
| 23:58.04 | abrotman | Toad: yes it does |
| 23:58.04 | themill | Toad: tell that to Adobe. |
| 23:58.15 | enouf | it really is a shame, that n00bs are the ones that need to be pointed to somewhat intermediate debian usage skills |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | and there is more than one linux distro .. some of which include flash OOTB |
| 23:58.29 | Toad | themill: I'm not complaining, I'm jsut saying that until the OSS world and companies like adobe make friends, it's just not gonna happen |
| 23:58.31 | enouf | right .. complain to them |
| 23:58.36 | randall | i have a question i have debian lenny installed and it got b43-fwcutter installed and it installed my wireless driver. im using wifi-radar to pick up networks and it connect to my encrypted network and it gets a ip but internet wont work but it works if i unencrypt it how can i fix that |
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| 23:59.12 | themill | Toad: it's not a question of friendship, it's a question of the law and the licenses they chose to use. It has little to do with the free software world, unfortunately. |