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| 00:05.40 | hipodilski | is it possible to enable framebuffer in debian without kernel recompile? |
| 00:05.50 | JordiGH | Can Iceweasel's hotkeys be customised? |
| 00:06.09 | Nyle | JordiGH, through extensions probably |
| 00:06.18 | Nyle | JordiGH, maybe something in about:config |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | hipodilski: is it possible to disable without ? :) |
| 00:06.38 | hipodilski | abrotman: probably not .. |
| 00:06.41 | JordiGH | Nyle: I didn't see anything obvious in about:config, I'll try looking at extensions now... |
| 00:06.55 | Nyle | JordiGH, I think that is your best bet |
| 00:07.09 | Nyle | JordiGH, also, irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 00:09.54 | JordiGH | Nyle: Thanks. I don't see anything in extensions either. I'll try the other network. |
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| 00:13.06 | JordiGH | Okay, different question: in lenny's Gnome, an update about a month or two ago made my Alt-capslock key for changing keyboard layouts no longer work. However, if I open keyboard preferences, I make a trivial change in hotkeys for changing keyboard layouts, and then I undo it, it works again. I see an identical problem with hotkeys in Xchat. Is this a GTK+ problem? |
| 00:14.25 | \amethyst | JordiGH: hm... before it starts working, is gnome-settings-daemon running? |
| 00:15.09 | \amethyst | JordiGH: that *should* have been started by your session manager, but I have seen similar behaviour when it isn't running |
| 00:16.55 | JordiGH | \amethyst: It's running now, but I just did that my little fix... |
| 00:16.59 | Bladesman | hates gnome, just because they restrict root access. |
| 00:17.03 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder if I can start a parallel session. |
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| 00:17.12 | Diluvium | hey all |
| 00:17.22 | Diluvium | im trying to get my usb printer working |
| 00:17.22 | \amethyst | JordiGH: maybe with gdmXnest |
| 00:17.24 | Diluvium | but its not showing up in dmesg |
| 00:17.45 | JordiGH | Bladesman: My beef with Gnome is the same as Linus's beef with gnome: sometimes they just make it too difficult to customise. However, I do prefer its comparative simplicity. |
| 00:17.46 | \amethyst | JordiGH: but I'm not sure if that would use the current settings daemon or not |
| 00:17.52 | Diluvium | http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-152.png |
| 00:17.56 | Diluvium | error -71?? |
| 00:18.09 | Diluvium | err |
| 00:18.12 | Diluvium | wrong screenshot sorry :) |
| 00:18.16 | Diluvium | http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-153.png |
| 00:18.31 | Bladesman | Unfortunately I need it for the orca screen reader (blind, and nothing else is available). |
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| 00:19.24 | \amethyst | Diluvium: does doing echo N > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first fix it? |
| 00:20.02 | Diluvium | \amethyst, let me see |
| 00:20.27 | Diluvium | \amethyst, no same error |
| 00:21.47 | \amethyst | Diluvium: what about Y instead of N ? |
| 00:21.57 | Diluvium | \amethyst, ahead of you testing now ;) |
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| 00:22.10 | Diluvium | \amethyst, same error |
| 00:22.15 | zyx386 | how can finde GD library for php for download? |
| 00:22.28 | abrotman | zyx386: apt-cache search php gd |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | we told you hours ago |
| 00:22.51 | simonrvn | !lart zyx386 |
| 00:22.52 | dpkg | shoves a crumpet down zyx386's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 00:23.41 | Diluvium | \amethyst, what is a -71 error? |
| 00:24.21 | \amethyst | Diluvium: I'm not sure, but I've seen it before on USB devices |
| 00:24.26 | \amethyst | Diluvium: are you using a hub? |
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| 00:24.48 | Diluvium | \amethyst, no |
| 00:24.50 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:25.27 | zyx386 | abrotman, cpmmand not found |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | apt-cache is not found ? |
| 00:25.47 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | <abrotman> zyx386: apt-cache search php gd |
| 00:25.52 | abrotman | that fails? |
| 00:26.30 | zyx386 | yes |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | zyx386: are you running .. Debian ? |
| 00:26.43 | simonrvn | apt: /usr/bin/apt-cache |
| 00:27.00 | zyx386 | aha ory |
| 00:27.02 | simonrvn | it would seem not |
| 00:27.10 | dryrot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.16 | dryrot | hmm |
| 00:27.17 | zyx386 | is to GD for 4 and 5 |
| 00:27.18 | dryrot | uh |
| 00:27.18 | \amethyst | Diluvium: various sources that the error can be caused by not enough power, or by using old-style initialization on some devices, or by trying to suspend a device that can't suspend correctly, too long an extension cable, ... |
| 00:27.19 | dryrot | sorry |
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| 00:27.40 | abrotman | english ? |
| 00:27.41 | simonrvn | zyx386: yes, but are you running debian, or not? |
| 00:27.43 | \amethyst | Diluvium: so my guess it that it's a generic 'read error', probably a bitmap |
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| 00:28.10 | \amethyst | Diluvium: err, by bitmap, I mean that each bit that's set is a specific flag |
| 00:28.14 | zyx386 | abrotman, the command finde the version, can i simple via aptitude install it? |
| 00:28.20 | Diluvium | \amethyst, how do I correct that |
| 00:28.58 | \amethyst | Diluvium: see if anyone with the same USB device as you, or the same motherboard, has had the same problem |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | zyx386: yes .. try it |
| 00:29.10 | zyx386_ | ok |
| 00:29.16 | zyx386_ | http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/361747/ |
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| 00:29.39 | Diluvium | \amethyst, they have not, this laptop is one of 5, they all run freebsd and all work fine, I was considering moving to debian from freebsd >.> |
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| 00:29.44 | abrotman | zyx386_: so install the one for the version of php you have |
| 00:29.56 | zyx386_ | php5 |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | zyx386_: so install the one for the version of php you have |
| 00:30.09 | zyx386_ | aptitude install php gd ? |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | CALGON .. TAKE ME AWAY |
| 00:30.41 | simonrvn | !take abrotman away |
| 00:30.46 | poseidon | How do I unzip a .7z? Do I need 7zip, or will tar/unzip do? |
| 00:30.48 | \amethyst | Diluvium: I really don't know, unfortunately. The error basically seems to mean "hardware USB error", which doesn't clear anything up |
| 00:30.55 | simonrvn | poseidon: 7zip |
| 00:31.21 | \amethyst | Diluvium: if it works fine in BSD, it's probably Linux doing something that confuses the hardware, but I wouldn't know what |
| 00:31.36 | Diluvium | \amethyst, also works fine in gentoo |
| 00:32.10 | \amethyst | Diluvium: then looking at the difference in kernel configs might be useful |
| 00:32.17 | zyx386_ | thanx abrotman , sory for my bad English |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | that was english?! :) |
| 00:32.45 | abrotman | zyx386_: you're chinese? |
| 00:32.52 | abrotman | can't recall |
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| 00:33.39 | zyx386_ | abrotman, no |
| 00:35.18 | abrotman | zyx386_: are you a Red Sox fan? :) |
| 00:35.24 | zyx386_ | abrotman, i install it but in phpinfo finde nothing with GD |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | zyx386_: did you restart apache to reload php ? |
| 00:35.54 | zyx386_ | no |
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| 00:37.27 | zyx386_ | this comand not restart it /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 00:37.33 | Coma | hey |
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| 00:39.00 | G-- | its apache2 |
| 00:39.00 | zyx386_ | what is the restart command for apache? |
| 00:39.17 | G-- | this /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 00:39.32 | G-- | or service apache2 restart |
| 00:39.42 | zyx386_ | thanx |
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| 00:39.52 | G-- | you're welcome |
| 00:39.52 | zyx386_ | i try it without 2 |
| 00:40.30 | zyx386_ | Thanx abrotman G-- and all in debian channel |
| 00:40.38 | enouf | zyx386_: use TAB completion ;-) |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | pshaw |
| 00:41.01 | Athas | Is there no ipw3945-source package compatible with the 2.6.25 kernel? I grabbed ipw3945 but it doesn't compile with my 2.6.25 kernel headers. |
| 00:41.13 | Athas | I grabbed ipw3945 from stable, that is. |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | iwlwifi i think it is now |
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| 00:41.55 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 00:41.55 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch> and <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | Athas: better plan ? |
| 00:42.23 | Athas | I will try that out. |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | oh wait .. you'r enot using a debian kernel ? |
| 00:42.44 | Athas | I am as of this evening, rolling my own has become way too painful over the years. |
| 00:42.52 | Athas | I use linux-image-2.6.25 from, I guess, testing. |
| 00:42.56 | Athas | My system is testing. |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | from unstable i think ? |
| 00:43.10 | Athas | That's possible, I have a few unstable packages. |
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| 00:43.59 | enouf | yeah, testing is still .24, iinm |
| 00:45.11 | Athas | This means I can remove ipw3945d? |
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| 00:54.56 | Jygga | hi, id like to move a debian system from an old athlon server to a new intel server, is there any chance or way this could end up happily without major mess? |
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| 00:55.40 | arubin | Jygga: what problems do you foresee? |
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| 00:56.46 | Jygga | changed hardware which might not even be supported by the old kernel ? :) |
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| 00:57.18 | Athas | Is the fglrx-kernel-src in unstable supposed to work with 2.6.25? |
| 00:57.34 | Athas | It claims to be version "1:8-5-1" but I have no idea how to translate that into a Catalyst version. |
| 01:00.05 | arubin | Jygga: upgrade first? |
| 01:01.10 | Jygga | sadly the old system is dead |
| 01:01.40 | Jygga | and i got no compareable rig to put the harddisk into |
| 01:01.53 | Jygga | to boot from it that is |
| 01:02.01 | arubin | what version was it? |
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| 01:02.59 | arubin | you could always just mount the old system as an extra filesystem |
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| 01:03.07 | arubin | and not boot from it |
| 01:03.12 | arubin | then transfer your data off |
| 01:03.37 | Jygga | ye im currently backing it up |
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| 01:07.17 | lea_w | I'm trying to install konsole 4 (from experimental). I have deb-src entries for sid and experimental in my sources.list. However, "apt-get build-deps konsole" yields "E: Build-Depends dependency for kdebase cannot be satisfied because the package kdepimlibs5-dev cannot be found". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:17.59 | lea_w | goes off to install kdepimlibs5-dev by calling apt-get build-dep and apt-get source -b as recommended by the dpkg bot. |
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| 01:24.17 | Nyle | under what lisence is the official debian logo? |
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| 01:24.52 | Sling | Nyle : under the Debian Open Use Logo License |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | depends which logo IIRC |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/logos/ |
| 01:25.37 | Sling | well yea there is this really old official logo |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | tells you on the page |
| 01:25.41 | Nyle | there are two |
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| 01:25.53 | Nyle | which is why I asked about the official one |
| 01:26.03 | Sling | yea see that page |
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| 01:26.49 | abrotman | they're both official |
| 01:26.54 | Nyle | http://www.us.debian.org/logos/#official-use |
| 01:27.02 | Nyle | We reserve the right to revoke a license for a product |
| 01:27.12 | Nyle | how is this different from mozilla trying to protect the 'firefox' name? |
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| 01:27.28 | Nyle | the debian logo itself is not free... |
| 01:27.38 | Nyle | according to my understanding so far |
| 01:27.43 | gravity | True |
| 01:27.54 | Sling | it can be used freely to refer to the debian project |
| 01:28.06 | Sling | just not to indicate endorsment |
| 01:28.11 | Sling | endorsement |
| 01:28.27 | Nyle | Permission has been given to use the official logo on clothing (shirts, hats, etc) as long as they are made by a Debian developer and not sold for profit. |
| 01:28.39 | Nyle | not true freedom, from something that is striving to be free |
| 01:28.40 | Nyle | ... |
| 01:28.50 | gravity | Nyle: It's a known bug |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | wrong channel to complain in |
| 01:28.53 | Nyle | I hope I am misunderstanding this |
| 01:28.59 | gravity | Nyle: Overfiend did some work on the logo policy |
| 01:29.02 | Nyle | because this comes as a shock tome |
| 01:29.04 | gravity | Nyle: But it's a known issue |
| 01:29.17 | Nyle | gravity, I would hope so :) |
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| 01:29.43 | Dewi | Nyle: if anybody could call anything "debian", then "debian" would be meaningless |
| 01:29.49 | Nyle | I'm not a DD, but I print debian tshrits and I have been known to sell them |
| 01:29.50 | Diluvium | greetings guys |
| 01:30.00 | Diluvium | I need a little app to do a sinple tcp tunnel |
| 01:30.02 | Diluvium | simple* any recomondations |
| 01:30.21 | Nyle | Dewi, I'm afraid its a bit deeper than that |
| 01:30.31 | Nyle | gravity is fully aware of the scope of the situation |
| 01:30.40 | gravity | Well, Dewi is right also |
| 01:30.40 | Nyle | I just wanted to confirm if I understood correctly, which I do |
| 01:30.41 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:30.51 | gravity | The project wants generally to protect its image and name |
| 01:30.54 | Nyle | I never said he wasn't :) |
| 01:30.56 | Dewi | debian would be stupid not to protect its brand in *some* way |
| 01:31.25 | Nyle | obviously |
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| 01:32.06 | gravity | To be honest, it's not clear to me if you really can have the same standards applied to copyright and trademark |
| 01:32.27 | gravity | Debian has traditionally been ok with non-free trademarks for this reason. |
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| 01:33.14 | Jaseem | hey, i am using debian |
| 01:33.24 | Nyle | Jaseem, awesome |
| 01:33.26 | Jaseem | but I don't know how to connect to internet using it |
| 01:33.35 | Nyle | Jaseem, what network card do you have? |
| 01:33.50 | emma | I would like to see Debian take more interest in it's community. |
| 01:33.58 | Jaseem | The debian i am using is edited by Our state gov |
| 01:34.01 | emma | s/it's/its |
| 01:34.16 | Diluvium | hmm when i apt-get install it stops saying some packages have unmatched dependancies how do I tell it to ignore the messages and carry on |
| 01:34.25 | Nyle | Jaseem, that sucks |
| 01:34.25 | Jaseem | The problem is i lack techncal knowledge |
| 01:34.39 | Jaseem | ho, please help me |
| 01:34.51 | Jaseem | how can i check the network card |
| 01:34.53 | Nyle | Diluvium, please paste the entire output of the error to pastebin |
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| 01:35.12 | Nyle | Jaseem, where is your system admin? |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | !tell Jaseem about interfaces |
| 01:35.25 | Diluvium | Nyle, i can screenshot but not paste hold on |
| 01:35.26 | poseidon | Whats the channel for debian BSD |
| 01:35.40 | Dewi | my only issue with debian's trademarking policy is that they seem, in a way, to expect mozilla to have more open trademarking policies than debian itself |
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| 01:35.49 | Jaseem | I told you that i lacks technical knowledge |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | poseidon: not even sure there is one .. might be on OFTC |
| 01:35.56 | Jaseem | i am using windows xp now |
| 01:35.59 | Diluvium | Nyle, http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-154.png |
| 01:36.10 | Dewi | I disagree with some of mozilla's attitudes too, but I do think mozilla's trademarking policy is actually more open and reasonable than debian's |
| 01:36.14 | Jaseem | I am using ethernet card |
| 01:36.22 | Jaseem | i am not sure |
| 01:36.29 | poseidon | gnu-kfreebsd, found it |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | nope . .not on oftc |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | Jaseem: native language ? |
| 01:37.51 | Jaseem | Malayalam. |
| 01:38.00 | Jaseem | bad english, ? |
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| 01:39.49 | Jaseem | I am using a broadband internet |
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| 01:39.52 | Jaseem | connection |
| 01:40.06 | Jaseem | I can connect to it easily using XP |
| 01:40.10 | Jaseem | but not with debian |
| 01:40.27 | Jaseem | is there anybody who can help |
| 01:40.39 | Jaseem | Why isn't anyone replying |
| 01:41.08 | Diluvium | Nyle, ? |
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| 01:42.32 | gravity | Jaseem: Do you know how to install software on Debian yet? |
| 01:42.41 | Jaseem | I haven't did any |
| 01:42.49 | gravity | Jaseem: If so, you should install network-manager. It should get your card working. |
| 01:43.02 | gravity | Jaseem: When you start Debian, you go to a graphical login screen, right? |
| 01:43.09 | Jaseem | yup |
| 01:44.00 | Jaseem | Then? |
| 01:44.13 | gravity | Jaseem: Ok, I *think* that you can find the "Synaptic Package Manager" under the "System->Administration" menu |
| 01:44.16 | gravity | Jaseem: Open that |
| 01:44.27 | gravity | Jaseem: Please don't /msg me. Talk in the channel so everyone can help |
| 01:44.35 | gravity | There's details I forget and others can fill them in |
| 01:44.44 | gravity | Or flat out tell me when I'm totally wrong :-) |
| 01:44.57 | Jaseem | I haven't seen Synaptic Package Manager |
| 01:45.11 | gravity | Jaseem: How about under "Applications->System"? |
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| 01:45.22 | abrotman | Jaseem: can you paste us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` ? |
| 01:45.28 | Jaseem | I am using xp, so i may have to restart |
| 01:45.42 | Jaseem | and that is the problem |
| 01:46.04 | gravity | Jaseem: This would be in Debian, of course. Anyway, use synaptic to install network-manager |
| 01:46.16 | gravity | Jaseem: That should solve your problem, in theory |
| 01:46.39 | Jaseem | Are you sure there is something like Synaptic? |
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| 01:47.19 | Jaseem | If there is one, what should i do after that? |
| 01:47.21 | gravity | Jaseem: If not, you can open up a terminal, and run aptitude instead |
| 01:47.33 | gravity | Jaseem: aptitude will also let you install network-manager |
| 01:48.14 | Jaseem | So i have to install network manager |
| 01:48.27 | gravity | Jaseem: That's one way to do it. Ideally, it's the simplest way. |
| 01:48.34 | gravity | It's troubling that it didn't just work for you |
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| 01:48.56 | Jaseem | Thank you for information |
| 01:48.59 | Jaseem | I will try that |
| 01:49.05 | gravity | Jaseem: A third option is the one abrotman told you, which is to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file using a text editor. That's manual but works flawlessly |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | well .. considering he may not have network to install nm |
| 01:49.21 | gravity | Jaseem: Read the interfaces manpage to learn more about the details, it's actually not too hard |
| 01:49.29 | gravity | abrotman: Assuming he's got an install CD/DVD :-\ |
| 01:49.41 | Jaseem | Yeah, i have a cd |
| 01:49.43 | abrotman | he has an interfaces file! |
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| 01:50.25 | gravity | True enough |
| 01:50.26 | Jaseem | So, what should i do with etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:50.41 | gravity | Jaseem: Read "man interfaces" and edit your text file accordingly |
| 01:50.49 | Jaseem | k |
| 01:51.02 | Jaseem | hope this will work |
| 01:51.11 | Diluvium | can anyone help me with this dependancy error: http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-154.png |
| 01:51.20 | Jaseem | Let me go then |
| 01:51.29 | Jaseem | lot work to do and have to go to school |
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| 01:51.41 | Jaseem | bye |
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| 02:01.33 | Diluvium | I want to replace glib |
| 02:01.35 | Diluvium | with glib-dev |
| 02:01.42 | Diluvium | how would I do that |
| 02:02.10 | Diluvium | err not glib sorry libc6 :) |
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| 02:03.20 | gravity | Diluvium: They're different. You don't replace them. -dev compliments the normal package |
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| 02:03.35 | Diluvium | gravity, I have a package that requires a higher version of the libc library |
| 02:03.38 | Diluvium | how do I get around it |
| 02:03.56 | gravity | Diluvium: Rebuild the package on your system |
| 02:04.02 | Diluvium | it requires: libc6 2.7-1 |
| 02:04.12 | Diluvium | and libcupsys2 1.3.4 |
| 02:04.14 | gravity | Diluvium: Or move your system to a version of Debian that has your libc |
| 02:04.29 | Diluvium | gravity, hmm how would I know which version has what, how many versions are there? |
| 02:04.41 | gravity | Diluvium: Check packages.debian.org |
| 02:06.24 | bobstro | a quick thanks to those who helped me with purging X off my debian box yesterday! |
| 02:06.47 | Diluvium | gravity, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libc6 |
| 02:06.52 | Diluvium | seems to be what im looking for |
| 02:07.16 | gravity | Diluvium: Then you want lenny. Or you want to rebuild your other package. Beware that lenny is the testing version of Debian though |
| 02:07.32 | Diluvium | gravity, its only for a print server it should be fine |
| 02:08.13 | Diluvium | gravity, can you actually download lenyy |
| 02:08.21 | Diluvium | or do you compile it over the top of an already running system |
| 02:08.47 | gravity | urgh |
| 02:08.51 | Diluvium | ah found it |
| 02:09.43 | Diluvium | crap 700mb i was hoping for a businescard size |
| 02:09.47 | Diluvium | i dont need all that crap |
| 02:09.47 | Diluvium | hmm |
| 02:10.16 | Diluvium | ah |
| 02:10.36 | Diluvium | got it :) |
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| 02:11.31 | gravity | You just do a net update |
| 02:11.35 | gravity | You don't install from scratch |
| 02:11.41 | gravity | Change your sources.list and update |
| 02:11.50 | Diluvium | csup -L2 /path; make buildworld? |
| 02:11.51 | Diluvium | or |
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| 02:12.20 | gravity | This isn't BSD |
| 02:12.28 | Diluvium | dont I know it ~_~ |
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| 02:12.31 | gravity | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:12.37 | enouf | !tell Diluvium -about grounding |
| 02:12.43 | gravity | s/stable/testing/ |
| 02:12.44 | enouf | !tell Diluvium -about reference |
| 02:12.55 | Diluvium | I think your bot is broken |
| 02:13.04 | enouf | look in other windows |
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| 02:13.11 | enouf | your client is broken |
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| 02:14.06 | enouf | !msg the bot |
| 02:14.06 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 02:14.09 | Diluvium | Granis, would I swap etch for testing |
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| 02:14.27 | Diluvium | gravity, should I swap etch for testing |
| 02:14.35 | twobitsprite | yaya |
| 02:14.42 | enouf | or lenny |
| 02:14.45 | gravity | Diluvium: You should learn what testing is exactly and decide for yourself. I really don't know. |
| 02:14.51 | twobitsprite | I think there's a heisenbug in gnome-terminal |
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| 02:15.00 | enouf | !tell Diluvium -about releases |
| 02:15.02 | twobitsprite | I can't reproduce it when running it under strace |
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| 02:15.29 | Diluvium | enouf, your wasting your time, if that is private messaging me or noticing i wont get it |
| 02:15.37 | dustybin | i was told that linux torvalds and other kernel hackers leave messages in the kernel source code, what command could i use to grep lines what might contain a swear word etc? |
| 02:15.48 | gravity | Diluvium: That's the sort of question that is totally dependant on your needs and your situation. |
| 02:15.51 | Diluvium | gravity, ok we seem all set, what command should I issue to synchronize sources |
| 02:15.54 | enouf | see the msg the bot output then |
| 02:16.00 | twobitsprite | dustybin: well... you'll need the source code |
| 02:16.02 | enouf | your client is broken |
| 02:16.05 | Nyle | output |
| 02:16.09 | dustybin | twobitsprite: i have downloaded the headers |
| 02:16.18 | gravity | Diluvium: You should go read up on how to use apt. I recommend firing up aptitude and reading its excellent help. There's also help available in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 02:16.23 | twobitsprite | dustybin: go ahead and get the full source.... headers aren't even half of it |
| 02:16.24 | dustybin | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 02:16.32 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:16.36 | Diluvium | ah I see apt-get is for packages and aptitutde is for the system |
| 02:16.42 | Nyle | what? |
| 02:16.42 | Nyle | no |
| 02:16.46 | gravity | Diluvium: No, they're both interfaces to apt |
| 02:16.55 | twobitsprite | !tell Diluvium about why aptitude |
| 02:17.25 | gravity | Diluvium: aptitude is very nice though, and it's generally the recommended one for various reasons |
| 02:17.27 | enouf | dustybin: http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ |
| 02:17.32 | dustybin | linux-source-2.6.24 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.24 with Debian patches |
| 02:17.36 | dustybin | im downloading that |
| 02:17.41 | Nyle | dustybin, ok |
| 02:17.59 | Nyle | why to build a kernel dustybin ? |
| 02:18.11 | Diluvium | gravity, sounds good ill go check out its man page |
| 02:18.16 | Nyle | debisn kernel not good enough? |
| 02:18.17 | enouf | no, to grep for swear words |
| 02:18.20 | dustybin | Nyle: no, i want to see what kind of funny messages the coders leave in the source code |
| 02:18.24 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:18.26 | Nyle | good |
| 02:18.29 | Nyle | grep for 'fuck' |
| 02:18.33 | dustybin | lol ok |
| 02:18.36 | Nyle | nice returns |
| 02:18.43 | enouf | http://www.durak.org/sean/pubs/kfc/ |
| 02:18.46 | gravity | Diluvium: The manpage is quite good, but there's a very large manual as well that's worth looking at. |
| 02:19.05 | gravity | Anyway, time for chores |
| 02:19.16 | Diluvium | gravity, thasnk you for the help .o/ good luck with the chores |
| 02:19.21 | dustybin | this is the kernel source code: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46891669 2008-05-08 05:46 linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2 |
| 02:19.24 | enouf | aptitude-doc-CC where XX is Country code |
| 02:19.28 | dustybin | can i grep within that archive |
| 02:19.29 | enouf | er |
| 02:19.34 | enouf | aptitude-doc-CC where CC is Country code |
| 02:20.03 | enouf | dustybin: yes, gunzip unpack it or zcat it |
| 02:20.20 | enouf | gah |
| 02:20.48 | enouf | use tar xjf .. doubt you want -v .. but maybe you do :-P |
| 02:21.29 | enouf | (you grabbed the bz2 version - vanilla offers both gz or bzip2) |
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| 02:21.44 | dustybin | its uncompressing using tar xvf |
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| 02:22.56 | dustybin | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24 |
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| 02:22.57 | curtmack | what's the dpkg command to reconfigure Xorg again? |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 02:23.10 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 02:23.18 | curtmack | aha, thanks |
| 02:23.37 | dustybin | grep shit /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/* <-- would that work? |
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| 02:24.27 | Diluvium | dustybin, minght need -r or -R for recursive |
| 02:24.56 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:25.14 | dustybin | LOL |
| 02:25.16 | dustybin | my lord |
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| 02:26.40 | dustybin | be warned, this contains lots of the same swear word |
| 02:26.41 | dustybin | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2650 |
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| 02:30.22 | dustybin | it seems like a lot of chips what are inside computers contain design flaws |
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| 02:30.38 | Supaplex | yeah, they support windows. hah. |
| 02:31.04 | enouf | dustybin: welcome to proprietary poop |
| 02:31.31 | dustybin | hmm |
| 02:31.35 | Dewi | dustybin: yep |
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| 02:31.40 | Dewi | dustybin: drivers have to do lots of workarounds |
| 02:31.57 | Dewi | dustybin: one of the reasons writing drivers for linux is so hard |
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| 02:32.04 | Dewi | dustybin: the other being lack of documentation |
| 02:32.10 | C23 | noches |
| 02:32.16 | twobitsprite | where do you report freenode policy violations? |
| 02:32.18 | C23 | como andan por acaç |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:32.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:32.27 | Dewi | dustybin: but even when you have documentation, the chips deviate from the documentation in unpredictable waysd |
| 02:32.31 | abrotman | twobitsprite: #freenode or find staff |
| 02:32.32 | dustybin | comments like this inside your kernels source: These chips are basically fucked by design, and getting this driver |
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| 02:33.25 | Dewi | dustybin: yeah. so? |
| 02:34.05 | Dewi | dustybin: the windows and netscape source is also full of such comments |
| 02:34.08 | C23 | no lo creo de alla me enviaron para acaç |
| 02:34.11 | dustybin | i didnt realse there was such a problem with chips designs |
| 02:34.15 | Dewi | dustybin: (two examples I happen to know of) |
| 02:34.26 | C23 | i have a problem with samba |
| 02:34.27 | C23 | NT_status_logon_failure |
| 02:35.02 | Nyle | try to login as root? |
| 02:35.04 | Dewi | C23: that can mean the shared resource is not available to the user you logged in as |
| 02:35.16 | Nyle | install smbclient |
| 02:35.31 | Nyle | get on the server, the try smbclient -L localhost (as user,not root) |
| 02:35.36 | Dewi | C23: or it might even mean login failed, I'm not sure |
| 02:35.40 | Nyle | Dewi, it does mean that |
| 02:35.55 | Nyle | it has nothing to do with a resource yet (it can't authenticate) |
| 02:35.59 | Dewi | got it yesterday when trying to use Guest accounts |
| 02:36.20 | C23 | nop |
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| 02:36.25 | Dewi | before doing all the stuff to windows policy to permit guests |
| 02:36.37 | C23 | i install smbclient |
| 02:36.51 | C23 | an type smbclient -L \\localhost |
| 02:36.58 | C23 | an passwd |
| 02:36.59 | Nyle | did I say \\localhost? |
| 02:37.10 | Nyle | on the samba server |
| 02:37.12 | Nyle | not on the client |
| 02:37.15 | C23 | yes |
| 02:37.18 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:37.24 | Nyle | and what happened? |
| 02:37.28 | Supaplex | magic |
| 02:37.32 | C23 | NT_status_logon_failure |
| 02:37.33 | Nyle | C23, what is your security level? |
| 02:37.37 | Nyle | share/user? |
| 02:37.39 | C23 | this the answer |
| 02:37.46 | C23 | root |
| 02:37.50 | Nyle | no.. |
| 02:37.56 | Nyle | in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 02:38.10 | Nyle | what is your security level as in shared level security or user level security or what |
| 02:38.23 | Nyle | and I already told you |
| 02:38.25 | C23 | =@sambaadmins |
| 02:38.27 | Nyle | don't do it as root |
| 02:38.33 | Nyle | root is diabled by default |
| 02:38.38 | Nyle | 10:34 < Nyle> try to login as root? |
| 02:38.42 | Nyle | 10:35 < Nyle> get on the server, the try smbclient -L localhost (as user,not root) |
| 02:38.47 | Nyle | NOT root. |
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| 02:38.58 | C23 | ok |
| 02:39.16 | C23 | the user is root of ldap and samba server |
| 02:39.26 | Nyle | what does that mean? |
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| 02:41.05 | C23 | i dont add machine witn winXp in my domain |
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| 02:41.30 | Nyle | C23, #samba |
| 02:41.31 | Nyle | . |
| 02:41.36 | N0Lif3 | My clock is out of sync. What do I do to fix that? Debian Linux w/ blackbox |
| 02:41.37 | C23 | sorry i dont speak english |
| 02:41.40 | C23 | is close |
| 02:41.46 | C23 | samba is close |
| 02:41.53 | Nyle | no it is open |
| 02:42.00 | unrar | is there a terminal command to see up/download rate? |
| 02:42.04 | C23 | i try |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 02:42.04 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 02:42.23 | C23 | ok |
| 02:42.27 | C23 | thanks |
| 02:42.45 | Nyle | C23, in smb.conf enable user level security, and as user, *NOT AS root ACCOUNT*, try to connect through smbclient and see if it works |
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| 02:43.00 | Nyle | I'm fairly positive that is your problem |
| 02:43.14 | C23 | ok |
| 02:43.26 | codemech | N0Lif3: If it's a server you're probably best to apt-get install ntp |
| 02:43.33 | brick | another samba question: i have a CIFS mounted volume from my NAS which has some of the wrong UIDs owning its files. even as root or a user with the same UID i can't chown the files. what's the right course of action to get them all owned by myself? |
| 02:43.46 | codemech | N0Lif3: then do an ntpdate -u (I think from memory) |
| 02:43.58 | Nyle | brick, what are the perms on the mount point? |
| 02:44.06 | N0Lif3 | thanks |
| 02:44.09 | Nyle | how are you mounting it? |
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| 02:44.17 | C23 | ok anonymous login is ok but the error is idem |
| 02:44.37 | brick | Nyle, //10.1.1.16/main on /synology type cifs (rw,user=rw,passwd=xxx) - i haven't specified any umask (is that what i need?) |
| 02:45.05 | Nyle | sure why not |
| 02:46.03 | brick | hehe, i have no idea |
| 02:46.12 | brick | i just want to set all ownerships on the volume to my own UID |
| 02:46.13 | Nyle | I don't have a clue how nt acls works under linux |
| 02:46.14 | Nyle | no clue |
| 02:46.20 | brick | all right |
| 02:46.27 | brick | nothing NT about it, though |
| 02:46.34 | brick | it's a NAS running linux internally |
| 02:46.51 | brick | the fs is ext3 and everything, i just can only access it through CIFS |
| 02:46.57 | Nyle | ah |
| 02:47.12 | Nyle | I thought you were on a windows netowkr or somethin |
| 02:47.17 | brick | heavens no :) |
| 02:47.21 | Nyle | why not NFS? |
| 02:47.31 | Dewi | C23: does the user have an smbpasswd? |
| 02:47.34 | mimcpher | Probably an "appliance" CIFS thing? |
| 02:47.47 | Dewi | C23: samba doesn't use the normal system password list because the crypt methods are different... |
| 02:47.53 | brick | Nyle, i was under the impression that SMB/CIFS was a lot more modern and secure |
| 02:47.55 | Nyle | Dewi, good catch |
| 02:48.02 | Nyle | Dewi, I did not think of it |
| 02:48.19 | Dewi | C23: so on the server side you need to either have passwords for samba usage, or send plain unhashed passwords (not recommended) |
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| 02:48.22 | Nyle | C23, you've already done smbpasswd -a <your username here> |
| 02:48.25 | brick | mimcpher, it's a business-level NAS device, whether to call it an appliance i'm not sure. cost a grand. :/ |
| 02:48.41 | path_ | hi there |
| 02:48.42 | Dewi | Nyle: yeah I forgot it too, until just then |
| 02:48.46 | Nyle | brick, smb? WHY use smb if you have no windows |
| 02:48.47 | mimcpher | brick, if its a box that you plug in and it works, then its an appliance :-p |
| 02:48.54 | Nyle | It just doesn't compute inmy brain |
| 02:48.59 | Nyle | why the fuck... |
| 02:49.01 | path_ | anyone knows what packages autocompletes my apt-get when I install anything ? |
| 02:49.02 | mimcpher | And CIFS is a fine network filesystem |
| 02:49.12 | mimcpher | NFS is nice because of its simplicity |
| 02:49.15 | path_ | e.g. apt-get install d + tab |
| 02:49.15 | brick | mimcpher, nah. it did require setting up with some other software and then tweaking some params |
| 02:49.15 | Dewi | Nyle: what would you suggest? nfs? |
| 02:49.18 | brick | but i like your definition |
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| 02:49.29 | C23 | ok thank |
| 02:49.32 | C23 | ready |
| 02:49.35 | Dewi | Nyle: there's a lot not to like about NFS |
| 02:49.42 | C23 | i try in winxp |
| 02:49.48 | brick | i'm very interested in the differences |
| 02:49.54 | mimcpher | brick, maybe a better definition would be "You don't care/know what OS the device runs" |
| 02:49.55 | Nyle | sure |
| 02:49.55 | brick | i will use whichever is best for my applications |
| 02:49.58 | Nyle | nfs is a pos |
| 02:50.03 | Nyle | cifs is better |
| 02:50.09 | pipeline | NFS isn't simple at all if you want it to work worth a damn |
| 02:50.10 | Nyle | but I'm just talking about smb |
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| 02:50.25 | mimcpher | SMB and CIFS are synonymous for most purposes. |
| 02:50.32 | pipeline | whatever your application is, sight unseen, Samba is probably at least as good a choice, when it's not better. |
| 02:50.39 | dondelelcaro | path_: depends on your shell. |
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| 02:50.46 | Dewi | yes, every windows for ages has supported CIFS, and uses CIFS by default |
| 02:50.47 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:50.50 | mimcpher | NFS is fine for high-speed, local networks. |
| 02:50.54 | pipeline | if your application is Oracle, requires P-NFS, or UNIX-to-UNIX ACLs, then yes, NFS might be the better choice |
| 02:50.56 | brick | i just want one fix to the FS... whythe hell would permission be denied on a chown anyway? |
| 02:51.11 | brick | i can strace it, but i didn't see anything incriminating |
| 02:51.13 | Nyle | brick, strace it! |
| 02:51.13 | dondelelcaro | brick: all sorts of reasons |
| 02:51.24 | Dewi | NFS is very "intimate" |
| 02:51.34 | Dewi | and yes, sometimes that's what you want, an intimate tie between 2 machines |
| 02:51.44 | brick | Nyle, chown32("/synology/chizor", 1000, -1) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 02:51.46 | Supaplex | !kiss NFS |
| 02:51.47 | dpkg | smooches NFS on the cheek |
| 02:51.51 | Dewi | but often you want something a lot closer to, well, an FTP that integrates with applications |
| 02:51.51 | Nyle | well if you have 1k machines nfs kinda sucks |
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| 02:51.54 | Dewi | and for that, CIFS |
| 02:51.56 | Nyle | but i have like 2 machine on nfs |
| 02:51.57 | path_ | dondelelcaro, I use bash |
| 02:51.59 | Nyle | its perfect |
| 02:52.01 | dondelelcaro | brick: you've got it mounted with root squash, most likely, and you're not the owner of that file. |
| 02:52.02 | Nyle | simple easy |
| 02:52.11 | path_ | dondelelcaro, It would be bash-completion then ? |
| 02:52.15 | dondelelcaro | path_: yes. |
| 02:52.19 | C23 | in win xp no found |
| 02:52.31 | Nyle | and you might have to comment out the lines using bash completion already present in .bashrc |
| 02:52.32 | Supaplex | what if it's +i? :) |
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| 02:52.40 | Nyle | I think they are commented out in default .bashrc arent'they |
| 02:52.46 | brick | dondelelcaro, squashes are root vegetables for sure! are you referring to a permissions mask, or something else? |
| 02:53.05 | dondelelcaro | brick: uh... are we talking about a NFS filesystem here? |
| 02:53.13 | unrar_ | is there a terminal command to see up/download rate? |
| 02:53.15 | brick | (i am root on this machine, but even as the "owner" of the file - a user with the same UID - i can't chown it) |
| 02:53.19 | brick | dondelelcaro, CIFS |
| 02:53.21 | path_ | dondelelcaro, is there a way that apt-get autocompletes the package? such as apt-get install orphe + tab |
| 02:53.33 | dondelelcaro | path_: apt-get has nothing to do with that. |
| 02:53.34 | Supaplex | brick: man 5 exports wrt squash |
| 02:53.39 | dondelelcaro | path_: that's entirely up to the shell. |
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| 02:54.07 | path_ | thanks dondelelcaro :) now I know how to look |
| 02:54.08 | brick | thanks Supaplex ! |
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| 02:54.13 | path_ | s/how/where |
| 02:54.48 | Nyle | unrar_, ifconfig probably shows total uploaded and downloaded |
| 02:55.04 | jimbo | hello, I need a programs for run .swf |
| 02:55.13 | dondelelcaro | jimbo: gnash |
| 02:55.14 | Nyle | there is a bandwidthd |
| 02:55.21 | dondelelcaro | unrar_: ntop is the general one |
| 02:55.29 | enouf | unrar_: iftop |
| 02:55.36 | jimbo | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | jnettop is another |
| 02:55.49 | Nyle | ahh there are af ew of them about |
| 02:55.53 | Nyle | I didn't know about a ntop |
| 02:56.03 | Nyle | there is htop and ntop, and top |
| 02:56.07 | brick | so i don't think root squashing applies to CIFS |
| 02:56.08 | Nyle | how many other kinds of tops are there? |
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| 02:56.14 | Nyle | if any |
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| 02:56.18 | abrotman | he didn't really say how he wanted to measure .. over time .. or at that moment |
| 02:56.20 | enouf | bebop-top? |
| 02:56.23 | Supaplex | htop |
| 02:56.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: isn't there some way programs can communicate back to the shell for completion? |
| 02:56.27 | dondelelcaro | brick: I thought you were talking about NFS. I've no idea about CIFS. |
| 02:56.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: depends on the shell |
| 02:56.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: like some kind of modular package-wise approach... |
| 02:56.49 | Nyle | zsh |
| 02:56.57 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: bash has a modular approach; I assume zsh does as well. |
| 02:56.58 | gravity | zsh is made of awesome |
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| 02:57.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It does |
| 02:57.06 | brick | dondelelcaro, if i had to mount it one time with NFS to solve the problem, that could work... |
| 02:57.18 | Nyle | gravity, yes! |
| 02:57.24 | Nyle | zsh is teh shizboo |
| 02:57.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I thought so. It's just that not many programs augment bash completion |
| 02:57.45 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: right? |
| 02:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: not really true; more and more are installing completion bits into /etc/bash_completion.d/ |
| 02:58.22 | unrar_ | hmmm thanks dondelelcaro enouf Nyle i tested ntop and iptraf already but there must be another way ... conky reads up/down form somewhere and it did so before i installed ntop and iptraf |
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| 02:58.28 | dondelelcaro | (and a huge number of commonly used ones are already supported anyway) |
| 02:58.44 | dondelelcaro | unrar_: it reads it once, then reads it again. |
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| 02:59.02 | Nyle | strange in bash but not in zsh; sudo aptitude install kde<tab><tab> does NOTHING. but it works in zsh. In bash, if you omit sudo, bash will complete package names in aptitude |
| 02:59.07 | Nyle | what the heck is goin on here? |
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| 02:59.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: aah, yeah. I don't have a lot in there. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 02:59.23 | enouf | for example ~$ dpkg -l alsa<tab><tab> works, but ~$ apt-cache search alsa<tab><tab> does nothing |
| 02:59.37 | dondelelcaro | enouf: there's no sane completion for apt-cache search |
| 02:59.55 | Nyle | enouf, it is insane! |
| 02:59.56 | dondelelcaro | enouf: apt-cache show does, howewver. |
| 02:59.57 | Dewi | Nyle: I can easily imagine sudo breaking that stuff |
| 03:00.04 | enouf | unrar_: there also something called libstatgrab for console |
| 03:00.08 | Nyle | Dewi, but it shoudln't... |
| 03:00.12 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it works fine here |
| 03:00.14 | enouf | dondelelcaro: righto |
| 03:00.20 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, with sudo? |
| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: yes. |
| 03:00.25 | Nyle | as the first |
| 03:00.34 | Nyle | let me try again |
| 03:00.47 | Nyle | huh |
| 03:00.49 | Nyle | I'll be damned |
| 03:00.56 | Dewi | Nyle: aptitude doesn't complete for me ever |
| 03:00.58 | Nyle | I coulda sworn i tried it out last night |
| 03:01.05 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: sudo is just a complete -F _root_command $filenames sudo fakeroot really; command. |
| 03:01.24 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:01.33 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, are you not a biology major or something |
| 03:01.38 | Nyle | how the hell do you know so much about comptuers man? |
| 03:01.44 | Nyle | its just brain boggling tome |
| 03:01.46 | Nyle | man |
| 03:02.04 | enouf | unrar_: the stats are in /proc/sys/net IIRC offhand |
| 03:02.41 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: what Nyle is really asking is, do you get stoned as often as he does? :D |
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| 03:02.58 | Nyle | I haven't toked since march 12th |
| 03:03.05 | Nyle | sicne my bday |
| 03:03.07 | mimcpher | Haha. |
| 03:03.14 | mimcpher | Nice on the dates and everything. |
| 03:03.29 | mimcpher | ALRIGHT #DEBIAN POLL: WHO'S STONED? |
| 03:03.34 | enouf | unrar_: sorry, ~$ cat /proc/net/dev |
| 03:03.41 | Nyle | !bad polls |
| 03:03.41 | Supaplex | !seen stoned |
| 03:03.41 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 03:03.41 | dpkg | stoned <n=stoned@static-71-249-216-130.nycmny.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 9h 53m 41s ago, saying: 'dyndns is great'. |
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| 03:04.00 | Nyle | Supaplex, thats my other nick, I use at work |
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| 03:04.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: do I need to do anything to enable bash completion with aptitude, other than having both of them installed? |
| 03:04.34 | Nyle | Dewi, is it sourced in your .bashrc? |
| 03:04.41 | Dewi | Nyle: is what sourced? |
| 03:04.42 | Nyle | the /etc/bash_completion that is |
| 03:04.45 | Dewi | Nyle: hmm |
| 03:04.49 | Nyle | thats your problem dude |
| 03:04.49 | enouf | unrar_: http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ see screenshot on bottom |
| 03:05.11 | Dewi | Nyle: nup, commented out. gah |
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| 03:05.38 | Nyle | Dewi, if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then\n . /etc/bash_completion\n fi |
| 03:05.43 | Nyle | ok you found it |
| 03:05.48 | Dewi | Nyle: yeah. that'll be it. |
| 03:06.13 | Dewi | it's nice |
| 03:06.13 | enouf | doesn;t know why that's commented out as defauly |
| 03:06.27 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.31 | Nyle | because bash-completion isn't installed by default.. |
| 03:06.31 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it has the potential to make the shell a lot slower |
| 03:06.38 | Nyle | is it? |
| 03:06.49 | dondelelcaro | it is |
| 03:06.50 | enouf | dondelelcaro: even when not used? |
| 03:06.52 | Caelum | what was that site that has the archive of old packages? |
| 03:06.53 | Dewi | tries it with scp and waaaaaits |
| 03:06.56 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 03:07.00 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:07.00 | Dewi | :) |
| 03:07.05 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: thank you! |
| 03:07.09 | Nyle | hmm I think it does too |
| 03:07.16 | Nyle | its a recommended package of 'bash' pckage |
| 03:07.37 | Nyle | but only aptitude and latest apt installs it right? |
| 03:07.39 | Supaplex | it might be a tad helpfull :) |
| 03:07.40 | enouf | dondelelcaro: must be a diehard thing then.., since it is most useful ;-) |
| 03:07.42 | dondelelcaro | right; so it's installed by default. [It was part of bash, but was split out later.] |
| 03:07.47 | Nyle | ahh |
| 03:08.09 | Dewi | the scp thing is fantastic, although *very* slow sometimes |
| 03:08.12 | Dewi | I wish rsync did it too |
| 03:08.14 | dondelelcaro | enouf: right; I'm thinking that that'll probably change, but it is a reason to consider not making it default |
| 03:08.31 | enouf | dondelelcaro: indeed, i had no idea, thanks |
| 03:09.28 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I'm not the maintainer of bash, so I can't really say anything with any authority) |
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| 03:10.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: well, that would be up to the bash maintainer for final say, as far as default settings - wrt a new release? |
| 03:10.49 | enouf | (or even a point one) |
| 03:11.36 | Dewi | hmm, rsync completes for options but not for remote paths. Pity. |
| 03:12.02 | enouf | Dewi: heh, we need AI! .. SkyNet fails :-p |
| 03:12.09 | dondelelcaro | enouf: right |
| 03:12.44 | enouf | dondelelcaro: interesting .. a "modular distro to the core" then ;-) |
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| 03:12.49 | Nyle | Je suis perdu... |
| 03:12.53 | Nyle | whoah |
| 03:13.06 | enouf | Je Suis un Rock Star |
| 03:13.12 | Dewi | enouf: I can see myself writing commands with 'scp' to get the completion, and then changing to rsync at the end :P |
| 03:13.31 | Dewi | enouf: oh well, at any rate, I've been wishing scp could do this for many years and... it can |
| 03:13.40 | enouf | Dewi: haha .,, i know i perform some of those acrobatics myself |
| 03:13.44 | Dewi | dunno how I missed that option in my rcfiles |
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| 03:13.52 | Nyle | what does rc stand for? |
| 03:13.58 | Dewi | Nyle: runcontrol |
| 03:14.01 | Nyle | ah |
| 03:14.12 | Dewi | Nyle: like most unix things, knowing what it stands for doesn't really help |
| 03:14.15 | enouf | Dewi: never looked back .. it's always amazing when i re-visit something i thought i knew all i needed to know about |
| 03:14.16 | Dewi | grins. |
| 03:14.32 | enouf | run commands? |
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| 03:14.36 | Nyle | Dewi, thats probably why I still don't know much (been using linux since 1994) |
| 03:14.41 | Nyle | well 95 really.. |
| 03:14.45 | crweb | debians latest 686 kernel enables xen so Nvidia can't install. the amd64 did that in 2.6.25-1- but was fixed in 2.6.25-2- |
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| 03:15.16 | enouf | Dewi: it does help my brain, for some reason though .. knowing why certain initials were used |
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| 03:15.24 | enouf | or what they stand for |
| 03:15.27 | Dewi | enouf: it does help a bit |
| 03:15.44 | Dewi | enouf: but often it doesn't add much meaning unless you were a sysadmin during the 70s :P |
| 03:15.52 | enouf | not really in that instance, but say grep ;-P |
| 03:16.02 | Nyle | Dewi, though I know all about run levels and rc configuration scripts etc. I just never knew what it stood for |
| 03:16.13 | Dewi | enouf: what's the G in grep? |
| 03:16.18 | Dewi | enouf: get? |
| 03:16.19 | Nyle | groper? |
| 03:16.21 | Nyle | get? |
| 03:16.27 | enouf | heh.. welll .,.. just so i can assimilate 'this' tool with 'that' command Global |
| 03:16.37 | Nyle | nerds. |
| 03:16.45 | Nyle | sits back and relaxes |
| 03:16.48 | enouf | Global Regular Expression Parser |
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| 03:17.08 | Dewi | Nyle: hopefully I am answering accurately then... I once *heard* it was 'run-control' :) |
| 03:17.19 | Dewi | enouf: what's global about it? |
| 03:17.33 | Nyle | Dewi, yeh... well... I can kick ass at some guitar.. fuck linux. |
| 03:17.34 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:17.34 | enouf | it'll search through all files? :-P |
| 03:17.40 | Dewi | enouf: I hate that name for so many reasons |
| 03:17.44 | Dewi | grins. |
| 03:17.45 | erpo | What's a good way to test raw network throughput between two linux hosts? |
| 03:17.46 | Nyle | what name? |
| 03:17.51 | Dewi | it does a lot more than parse |
| 03:17.55 | Dewi | and it doesn't seem global |
| 03:18.04 | Dewi | and even if it did, parsing is not the thing it does globally |
| 03:18.07 | Dewi | the parsing happens once |
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| 03:18.27 | Nyle | I have to import an entire access db to sql next week |
| 03:18.29 | Nyle | yay... |
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| 03:18.33 | enouf | well over time - more functionality has been added .. like most things .. just look at AOL :-P |
| 03:18.34 | erpo | And don't say "ssh a big file" because that's what I'm having throughput problems with in the first place. |
| 03:18.37 | enouf | hides |
| 03:18.39 | Dewi | I guess in an odd way applying a regexp to data could be considered 'parsing that data using the regexp' |
| 03:18.43 | Dewi | but that's an odd way to think of it |
| 03:18.47 | Nyle | mysql would be cool but man they makin me use ms |
| 03:18.50 | Nyle | whatever |
| 03:19.04 | enouf | Dewi: go whine to #gnu :-P |
| 03:19.10 | Nyle | erpo, hmm... |
| 03:19.25 | Dewi | erpo: iperf claims to do it, but in my experience delivers performance that in no way resembles ssh speeds |
| 03:19.34 | Dewi | erpo: like... iperf beats ssh sometimes for me, and I can't explain that |
| 03:19.34 | Nyle | erpo, get a udp packet bomber |
| 03:19.51 | Nyle | erpo, or get a tcp packet bomber and just become a l33t haxor |
| 03:19.56 | enouf | Dewi: really though ... i guess i meant also things like HBA, SAS, MCP etc type things, |
| 03:19.59 | Dewi | erpo: oops, I mean the other way round. Despite all the crypto and doing real work with disks, ssh is sometimes twice as fast as iperf for me |
| 03:20.04 | Nyle | erpo, see how fast it sends |
| 03:20.07 | Nyle | nah j/k |
| 03:20.16 | Dewi | erpo: but iperf is *meant* to do what you ask |
| 03:20.17 | enouf | even MSI as it pertains to kernel things |
| 03:20.18 | Dewi | :P |
| 03:20.19 | erpo | Hmm. |
| 03:20.22 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems with iceweasel shutting down? |
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| 03:20.29 | Nyle | twobitsprite, whichi distro? |
| 03:20.35 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 03:20.37 | erpo | I'm getting sub-100Mbps speeds on a supposedly 1000Mbps link. |
| 03:20.42 | enouf | (just some off the cuff examples) |
| 03:20.46 | erpo | I guess I'll try iperf... |
| 03:20.53 | Nyle | iceweasel 3 in the sid distro has errors and bugs |
| 03:21.02 | Nyle | testing is ok good and stable is good too |
| 03:21.04 | enouf | but you people type like robots .. so .. i |
| 03:21.09 | Dewi | erpo: my 1000Mbps link only gets to just above 100 |
| 03:21.10 | twobitsprite | Nyle: testing |
| 03:21.13 | Nyle | you type like a robot |
| 03:21.14 | enouf | i'll lay back now |
| 03:21.17 | Nyle | twobitsprite, check with BTS |
| 03:21.20 | erpo | Dewi: Any idea why? |
| 03:21.23 | Dewi | erpo: which is okay because the 100 was only just above 10. networks suck |
| 03:21.33 | Nyle | throws a robot chicken at enouf |
| 03:21.34 | twobitsprite | actually, I think its flash related |
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| 03:21.48 | Dewi | erpo: I just rarely ever see networks perform at more than 1/3 the stated speed |
| 03:21.53 | twobitsprite | says its an X error: "The error was 'BadImplementation (server does not implement operation)'. |
| 03:21.55 | erpo | Dewi: But...there are no other hosts on the network. It's just a crossover cable connecting two machines. |
| 03:21.56 | twobitsprite | " |
| 03:22.10 | Nyle | twobitsprite, your xorg sucks |
| 03:22.28 | Dewi | erpo: what protocol? |
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| 03:22.34 | erpo | Dewi: ssh. |
| 03:22.38 | erpo | Dewi: Well, scp. |
| 03:22.57 | Dewi | erpo: the crypto in ssh can do only tens of megabytes per second on my machine |
| 03:23.00 | enouf | erpo: dt is a handy util |
| 03:23.05 | Dewi | erpo: tried with -c arcfour ? |
| 03:23.22 | Dewi | erpo: that's the fastest mainline crypto algorithm in ssh2 |
| 03:23.49 | Dewi | gets me from 6MiB/s up to like 36 |
| 03:23.51 | erpo | Dewi: The load average on the sender is .5 and the load average on the receiver is .38. |
| 03:24.15 | erpo | I doubt it's maxing out the cpu. |
| 03:24.19 | Dewi | erpo: loadavg means nothing for 1 process |
| 03:24.45 | Dewi | erpo: check the CPU% instead. And even then it's not necessarily that instructive because of all the buffering nonsense involved |
| 03:24.54 | Dewi | and network latency |
| 03:24.56 | twobitsprite | Nyle: any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:25.01 | erpo | Hmm. |
| 03:25.03 | twobitsprite | this is a brand new install |
| 03:25.18 | enouf | Dewi: openssh has some nice new features .. no idea if and when it'll be incorporated/used in debian pkgs |
| 03:25.27 | Dewi | enouf: oh? |
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| 03:25.46 | enouf | http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 03:25.50 | Dewi | enouf: I know they fixed some of the nasty leaks in the remote piping abstractions... |
| 03:26.21 | enouf | HPN <-- another acronym/mnemonic to remember .. ugh |
| 03:26.32 | Nyle | twobitsprite, don't use flash |
| 03:26.34 | Dewi | enouf: oh, I googled past this the other day. Assumed it was some proprietary thing I'd never see. Is it in the upstream mainline? |
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| 03:26.47 | twobitsprite | Nyle: right, thanks |
| 03:26.48 | enouf | Dewi: i don't know |
| 03:27.30 | Dewi | erpo: anyway, it won't hurt to try -c arcfour |
| 03:27.44 | enouf | seems was made avail in 8/2005 |
| 03:27.45 | enouf | http://www.usenet-forums.com/openssh-development/335691-re-new-set-high-performance-networking-patches-available.html |
| 03:27.52 | erpo | Dewi: Aha! |
| 03:28.07 | Dewi | erpo: aside from that, it used to be that linux kernels TCP stacks were tuned for internet speeds, but I understand that these days they (are meant to) auto-tune those parameters |
| 03:28.11 | enouf | a /. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/13/0227231 |
| 03:28.35 | erpo | Dewi: alice$ nc -l -p 1234 | pv > /dev/null |
| 03:28.45 | erpo | Dewi: bob$ nc alice.local 1234 < /dev/zero |
| 03:28.47 | erpo | :D |
| 03:28.55 | erpo | 76.4MB/s |
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| 03:29.11 | Dewi | erpo: yeah. that'll get you raw TCP performance |
| 03:29.47 | Dewi | erpo: what's pv? |
| 03:30.13 | erpo | erpo: It tells you the speed that data is passing through a pipe, among other things. |
| 03:30.29 | Nyle | !info pv sid |
| 03:30.30 | erpo | Dewi: Err, that was to you. |
| 03:30.33 | Dewi | erpo: note that /dev/zero is a very specialised kind of data |
| 03:30.42 | erpo | Dewi: If debian had an ADD task, pv would be in it. |
| 03:30.57 | dpkg | pv: (Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 03:30.57 | Nyle | fucking slow ass bot |
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| 03:31.13 | ameyer | I believe /dev/zero's data is very compressable, too |
| 03:31.16 | Dewi | erpo: sounds handy |
| 03:31.25 | Dewi | ameyer: that was my point, yeah |
| 03:31.33 | Dewi | ameyer: it's arguably the most compressible data possible. :P |
| 03:31.53 | erpo | Nothing in the network stack should be doing any compressing though, right? |
| 03:32.00 | arubin | what about /dev/null? |
| 03:32.00 | Dewi | ameyer: but certain other things will choke on it (like certain types of optical disk and network link) |
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| 03:32.19 | Dewi | I would use /dev/urandom myself |
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| 03:32.26 | Dewi | but you have to measure how much that's slowing you down |
| 03:32.55 | arubin | use /dev/urandom to create a large file first |
| 03:33.08 | Dewi | arubin: dev/null will just close the stream on you |
| 03:33.21 | erpo | Dewi: I get a lousy 3.8MB/s from /dev/urandom. |
| 03:33.23 | arubin | Dewi: it was a joke, I was refrring to compression |
| 03:33.28 | ameyer | and scp isn't that slow, I was hitting 100 mbps over a lan between my EEE900 and my desktop earlier. |
| 03:33.30 | enouf | http://guichaz.free.fr/iotop/ |
| 03:33.33 | ameyer | Just for the record |
| 03:33.48 | Dewi | erpo: ameyer is right, make yourself a 100MB file from urandom or something |
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| 03:34.06 | erpo | Dewi: Then we're back to measuring disk performance, which is suspect. |
| 03:34.11 | ameyer | crappy Celeron 2.4 GHz and slightly less crappy Celeron M 900 MHz |
| 03:34.19 | Dewi | erpo: heh |
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| 03:34.21 | ameyer | create a tmpfs somewhere? |
| 03:34.23 | Dewi | erpo: store in a ramdisk? |
| 03:34.26 | enouf | Nyle: there;s your missing xxtop |
| 03:34.31 | erpo | Dewi: Good idea. |
| 03:34.37 | Dewi | erpo: I hear that's easy in linux but it's not something I make a habit of |
| 03:34.52 | Nyle | what |
| 03:34.54 | Nyle | what kinda top? |
| 03:34.57 | Dewi | erpo: if you have a lot of ram and have /tmp mounted tmpfs, it won't hit the disk at all... |
| 03:34.57 | Nyle | iotop |
| 03:34.57 | erpo | Dewi: I already had one. Actually, ramdisks are a lot easier now that we have tmpfs. |
| 03:35.01 | enouf | Nyle: and here's your data test tool http://home.comcast.net/~SCSIguy/SCSI_FAQ/RMiller_Tools/dt.html |
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| 03:35.27 | Supaplex | tmpfs++ |
| 03:35.53 | Nyle | enouf, here is your brain |
| 03:36.11 | Nyle | enouf, here is your brain on drugs. ($(%@&#$(U@WIDFU(S&# |
| 03:36.20 | Nyle | stop smoking crack. |
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| 03:36.37 | enouf | Nyle: stop trying to act like a cracker |
| 03:36.41 | enouf | :-p |
| 03:36.43 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:36.52 | Nyle | yeh I can't pull it off |
| 03:36.58 | Nyle | I can't troll either |
| 03:37.01 | Nyle | I tried, honestly |
| 03:37.01 | Supaplex | he's still suffering through puberty ;) |
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| 03:37.28 | Nyle | my /tmp is full?! |
| 03:37.32 | Nyle | wtf is up with that... |
| 03:37.38 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 03:37.47 | Dewi | Nyle: fix it before users complain! |
| 03:37.49 | Sazpaimon | anyone know how to get 7z l to add a trailing slash to directory entries? |
| 03:38.27 | erpo | Sazpaimon: tar before you 7z? |
| 03:38.29 | Dewi | did a bad 'cp -a' the other day that chmod'd tmp to be unwritable to general users |
| 03:38.29 | enouf | Nyle: TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:38.33 | Dewi | mysql fell FLAT |
| 03:38.45 | Dewi | it can't even do a simple "order by limit 100" without a temporary file |
| 03:38.48 | Sazpaimon | erpo, no not like that |
| 03:38.55 | Sazpaimon | i mean, when you list a 7 archive |
| 03:38.58 | Sazpaimon | *7z |
| 03:39.09 | Sazpaimon | it doesn't add the trailing / to a directory |
| 03:39.09 | Sazpaimon | example |
| 03:39.15 | enouf | erpo: ramdisks that grow (tmpfs) ;-) |
| 03:39.31 | Sazpaimon | if I have videos.php and videos/ and video/file.avi |
| 03:39.46 | enouf | er can grow/shrink .. just like windows swapfile :-P |
| 03:39.49 | Dewi | enouf: wait... don't you need unpartitioned space to store the tmpfs? |
| 03:39.53 | Sazpaimon | when i do 7z on that archive, "videos" will be listed as videos and not "videos/" |
| 03:39.57 | enouf | Dewi: no |
| 03:40.03 | Dewi | enouf: ooh! |
| 03:40.20 | Dewi | enouf: something else to look into. thanks. |
| 03:40.45 | erpo | Sazpaimon: I'm not familiar with the output of 7z. Does it give any other indication that the line means a directory? |
| 03:40.49 | enouf | Dewi: it;s basically all in RAM ;-) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 03:41.26 | Sazpaimon | erpo, the atrrib is listed as "D...." |
| 03:41.43 | erpo | Sazpaimon: Could you grep for that and then add a trailing slash yourself? |
| 03:41.57 | Sazpaimon | erpo, what would i use for that, sed? |
| 03:42.08 | erpo | Sazpaimon: Yeah. |
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| 03:42.25 | Sazpaimon | hmph |
| 03:42.32 | Sazpaimon | i gotta relearn sed again |
| 03:42.34 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: 7z l foo.7z | awk ' substr($3,0,1) == "D" { $0 = $0 "/"} {print} ' |
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| 03:43.11 | Sazpaimon | that did it |
| 03:43.13 | Sazpaimon | thanks |
| 03:43.16 | Sazpaimon | forgot about awk |
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| 03:44.21 | erpo | Nobody expects awk! |
| 03:44.24 | Sazpaimon | there, so now my full line is 7z l foo.7z | awk ' substr($3,0,1) == "D" { $0 = $0 "/"} {print} ' | sed -e '1,8d;/-$/d;$d' | cut -c 54 |
| 03:44.46 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 03:45.20 | jhanssen | Does anybody know why I am getting logged out when I do a `sudo su - postgres` ?I gain the terminal and when I am trying to put any command in the bash I get logged out .. |
| 03:45.26 | Sazpaimon | kinda ugly |
| 03:45.27 | Sazpaimon | but it works |
| 03:45.43 | Sazpaimon | so now it gives the same behavior as unzip -l |
| 03:45.52 | Sazpaimon | now i just need to get unrar l to do the same (ugh) |
| 03:46.08 | enouf | Nyle: look, a sing-a-long ;-0 http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/dulaney_sed.html --> Old McDonald had a pig E-I, E-I-O Old McDonald had a horse E-I, E-I-O |
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| 03:46.58 | jhanssen | ? |
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| 03:47.41 | jhanssen | Does anybody know why I am getting logged out when I do a `sudo su - postgres` ?I gain the terminal and when I am trying to put any command in the bash I get logged out ..? |
| 03:47.46 | jhanssen | like |
| 03:48.03 | jhanssen | jhanssen@squarepant:~$ sudo su - postgres |
| 03:48.03 | jhanssen | postgres@squarepant:~$ llogout |
| 03:48.47 | \amethyst | jhanssen: I've encountered the same behaviour, but I don't know what causes it. Pressing enter usually avoids the problem |
| 03:48.54 | \amethyst | jhanssen: it only happens on the first keypress |
| 03:49.03 | jhanssen | yes |
| 03:49.12 | jhanssen | that's it .. i really dont know why |
| 03:49.36 | jhanssen | anyway I was trying to see another way to execute what I needed using the sudo -u postgres |
| 03:49.43 | jhanssen | and it didn't work either |
| 03:49.51 | \amethyst | I can't find a machine where I can reproduce it right now, though |
| 03:50.41 | jhanssen | jhanssen@squarepant:~$ sudo -u postgres ls -la |
| 03:50.41 | jhanssen | [sudo] password for jhanssen: |
| 03:50.41 | jhanssen | Sorry, user jhanssen is not allowed to execute '/bin/ls -la' as postgres on localhost. |
| 03:51.22 | jhanssen | come on man .. I am in the sudoers file with all the necessary authorization and nothing either |
| 03:52.13 | jhanssen | Can anybody help me ? |
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| 03:53.17 | enouf | try as root user - or .. any SELinux or ACLs/ldap or something? |
| 03:53.47 | Sazpaimon | ok screw this |
| 03:53.52 | Sazpaimon | the commandline unrar is so lame |
| 03:54.04 | Sazpaimon | it doesnt show full paths, directories, just files |
| 03:54.17 | Sazpaimon | at least 7z supports listing rar archives |
| 03:54.19 | |Ryan52 | How do I get gcc's man page? |
| 03:54.31 | enouf | manpages-dev ? |
| 03:54.41 | enouf | or .. gcc-doc ? |
| 03:55.14 | |Ryan52 | manpages-dev is installed, gcc-doc doesn't exist. |
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| 03:55.23 | enouf | !find gcc-doc |
| 03:55.25 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gcc-doc' (2): gcc-doc ;; gcc-doc-base. |
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| 03:56.04 | enouf | !info gcc-doc |
| 03:56.05 | dpkg | gcc-doc: (documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++)), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 5:1 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 03:56.28 | enouf | |Ryan52: you need 'contrib' added to sources.list |
| 03:56.45 | |Ryan52 | thanks. |
| 03:56.47 | enouf | !tell |Ryan52 about contrib |
| 03:57.01 | stew | |Ryan52: the gcc docs are all actually in non-free |
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| 03:57.32 | |Ryan52 | that seems...strange... |
| 03:57.33 | erpo | Sazpaimon: IIRC, unrar has one command that just lists filenames and another than lists filenames with paths. |
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| 03:57.49 | enouf | stew: is that a metapackage then in contrib? |
| 03:57.57 | enouf | or sid only? |
| 03:58.10 | Sazpaimon | erpo, yeah after i said that i found it |
| 03:58.38 | stew | enouf: basically yeah, it just depends on gcc-$version-doc |
| 03:58.48 | kaiorafael | hello, i have compiled icewaesel from the source. I used apt-get source iceweasel, everything goes fine, but when i run apt-get update, the system want to install again iceweasel. How can i solve this? aptitude hold? |
| 03:58.58 | Sazpaimon | though like 7zip, it doesnt add trailing slashes to directories |
| 03:58.59 | enouf | stew: i see, thanks |
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| 03:59.33 | Sazpaimon | but unlike 7zip, its listing is pretty bad to awk |
| 03:59.37 | Sazpaimon | but i can try |
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| 04:02.51 | Sazpaimon | yeah its probably going to be easier to use 7z for rar archives |
| 04:03.10 | Sazpaimon | its bare verbose listing wont give me anything, and its technical verbose listing is too much to work with |
| 04:03.22 | Gm4n | what does it mean if XFS recovery of a filesystem fails during boot? |
| 04:03.25 | nvz | 7z and rar are both retarded |
| 04:03.27 | erpo | Aren't rar files evil? |
| 04:03.37 | Gm4n | evil, and widespread :P |
| 04:03.46 | nvz | erpo: its where kiddiez put their warez |
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| 04:03.47 | erpo | 7z's not bad. Better compression than bzip2 and FOSS. |
| 04:03.56 | erpo | nvz: Any idea why that is? |
| 04:04.05 | nvz | cause they are stupid? |
| 04:04.23 | erpo | nvz: Of all the things you could call people who make cracks, I don't think stupid is one of them. |
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| 04:04.35 | Gm4n | I'd say because it can segment archives, notices when parts are corrupt, and compress pretty well |
| 04:05.00 | erpo | It must be the segmentation. For newsgroups. |
| 04:05.05 | nvz | people who distribute this stuff and people who actually do it are two different things |
| 04:05.25 | erpo | Yeah, but the people who distribute are the ones who choose the compression format. |
| 04:05.35 | nvz | people use these kinds of formats cause there are cute tools that split files, compress them. password protect them..etc and they don't care that its not free cause they steal it anyhow |
| 04:05.43 | Gm4n | I thought things were standardized on using rars |
| 04:05.50 | nvz | people who aren't stupid can do that anyways using free tools |
| 04:05.51 | Gm4n | not that people chose |
| 04:06.10 | erpo | Gm4n: I think rar is nonfree. |
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| 04:06.23 | nvz | !rar |
| 04:06.23 | dpkg | [rar] an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 04:06.28 | nvz | !7z |
| 04:06.28 | dpkg | it has been said that 7z is a public archive format providing high compression ratio initially implemented by the 7-zip archiver, or ask me about <7-zip> or <p7zip> |
| 04:06.36 | Gm4n | erpo: they have a free version, I think |
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| 04:06.53 | Gm4n | oh, you mean package repository wise? |
| 04:07.11 | erpo | Well, the packages aren't divided into different repos for no reason. ;) |
| 04:07.34 | Gm4n | I thought non-free meant non-FOSS in packaging terms |
| 04:07.49 | ameyer | it does, sort of |
| 04:08.00 | ameyer | where FOSS == DFSG free |
| 04:08.12 | Gm4n | dfsg? |
| 04:08.31 | erpo | Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 04:08.33 | bucky | There are 5 basic types of licenses issued for RAR http://kambing.ui.edu/gentoo-portage/licenses/RAR |
| 04:08.49 | erpo | Perhaps the best acronym since DXSF. |
| 04:09.03 | ameyer | http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 04:09.05 | Gm4n | so three questions... why the discussion on rars, why the hate for them, and what does it mean if XFS recovery fails? |
| 04:09.18 | ameyer | 3) data loss? |
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| 04:09.31 | Gm4n | ameyer: this is on my server, which seems to be working fine :-/ |
| 04:09.34 | Supaplex | 3) Where's the backup? |
| 04:09.52 | erpo | 1) Someone needs to decompress them, 2) non-free, 3) What Supaplex said. |
| 04:09.54 | Gm4n | Supaplex: it's a raid 1 drive pair... does this mean half is dead? |
| 04:10.32 | ameyer | also, 2) Idiots RAR single files that won't benefit from additional compression |
| 04:10.36 | erpo | Supaplex: RAID1 doesn't protect you from corrupted filesystems unless you're using ZFS. |
| 04:10.56 | Supaplex | echo erpo > Gm4n |
| 04:10.59 | Supaplex | :P |
| 04:11.10 | erpo | Uh, yeah. |
| 04:11.13 | ameyer | I understand RAR-ing a big fileset, but not a single compressed file |
| 04:11.29 | ameyer | although I'd prefer zip or tar |
| 04:11.54 | Gm4n | erpo: so how do I fix it? |
| 04:12.00 | erpo | ameyer: I once saw a torrent full of zip files. Each zip file contained precisely one rar file. The rar files taken together contained an ISO. It was like an escher painting. |
| 04:12.02 | Gm4n | all the other partitions seem fine |
| 04:12.16 | Gm4n | erpo: that's not once saw, that's standard practice :P |
| 04:12.17 | erpo | Gm4n: You may not be able to. It tried and failed. |
| 04:12.22 | ameyer | erpo: wtfdude |
| 04:12.23 | Supaplex | erpo: I h8or those :P |
| 04:12.45 | Gm4n | erpo: O.O |
| 04:12.49 | ameyer | and actually, the torrent would remove the need for something like zip or tar |
| 04:13.02 | ameyer | even if it wasn't just one big f**king file |
| 04:13.13 | erpo | Yes, yes it would. |
| 04:13.20 | Gm4n | ameyer: did you consider they may not be designed for torrents? |
| 04:13.42 | Gm4n | erpo: so my system will just complain about failed recovery every time it boots? |
| 04:14.02 | erpo | Gm4n: Maybe. I don't use XFS. |
| 04:14.12 | Supaplex | ask JoshH. he's tEh resident XFS expert. :) |
| 04:14.31 | Gm4n | urk, I'm on XFS? :( |
| 04:14.32 | erpo | Gm4n: But keep two things in mind. A failed recovery is a bad thing, and sometimes filesystem failures lead to data loss and there's nothing that will save you but a backup. |
| 04:14.50 | Gm4n | erpo: I've been net-backing up daily :) |
| 04:14.52 | erpo | Gm4n: Didn't you say that? |
| 04:14.55 | bucky | that's three things |
| 04:15.04 | Gm4n | erpo: I quoted what I saw the system say |
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| 04:15.18 | Gm4n | I didn't even realize XFS was a filesystem, although in retrospect it's kinda obvious |
| 04:15.19 | ameyer | Gm4n: true |
| 04:16.01 | ameyer | I think that if you're going to steal something from NNTP and torrent it, you should at least decompress it to usable files first |
| 04:16.13 | Gm4n | NNTP? |
| 04:16.24 | varney | one thing that confuses me about Debian is the way it handles apache. why for example is my server's ip address entering weblogs into the first alaphabetically-named virtualhost? |
| 04:16.30 | erpo | Gm4n: A file transfer protocol. |
| 04:16.32 | ameyer | Gm4n: usenet? |
| 04:17.23 | Gm4n | ah, usenet file protocol |
| 04:17.29 | varney | i have Namevirtualhost <myip>:80 |
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| 04:18.11 | Gm4n | those things come from usenet? |
| 04:18.11 | varney | then when i try to access my server ip, (to use phpmyadmin globally for example) it adds apache logs into a virtualhost log |
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| 04:18.22 | varney | why???? |
| 04:18.35 | Gm4n | erpo: what are my options, then? |
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| 04:19.02 | erpo | Gm4n: If I were in your shoes, I would reformat the partition (with ext3 or ZFS if possible) and then restore from backup. |
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| 04:19.26 | Gm4n | erpo: Unforunately, this is a remote system, so I can't exactly easily do that |
| 04:19.49 | erpo | Gm4n: You can't umount the filesystem, fsck, and pull back the data? |
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| 04:20.17 | ameyer | Gm4n: Well, usenet stuff tends to be RAR'd in a less than sane manner |
| 04:20.26 | Gm4n | well, the partition that went bad is /home, so I guess I could fsck it :) |
| 04:20.35 | wols | Gm4n: you can try to remount it read only, fsck it and remount it rw again |
| 04:20.40 | ameyer | something about old server software limitation |
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| 04:20.46 | wols | but be really careful what fsck does |
| 04:20.47 | ameyer | *limitations |
| 04:21.03 | erpo | Gm4n: Excuse me. I meant mkfs not fsck. |
| 04:21.12 | Gm4n | wols: mounting and fscking reminded me of a very dirty list of posix-compatible commands I saw on slashdot once. |
| 04:21.36 | Gm4n | ameyer: like zipped rars or whatever? :P |
| 04:21.53 | erpo | Gm4n: I saw that joke today, actually! It was in the obituaries. |
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| 04:22.20 | reklipz | I'm having issues starting mplayer via ssh. I had no problems until I reformatted and reinstalled debain. I first installed the debian base system (no gnome), and then installed mplayer. I realized I could not start mplayer via ssh this way and expect it to work with X, so I installed gnome, and now I still cannot start mplayer via ssh. could the order of installation have messed things up, and if so, how can I fix it? |
| 04:22.45 | erpo | reklipz: Maybe you need to set DISPLAY ? |
| 04:22.57 | reklipz | erpo, i am setting DISPLAY=:0, just like before |
| 04:23.00 | reklipz | and it still doesnt work |
| 04:23.04 | ameyer | Gm4n: no, large files in a bunch of small RAR files. |
| 04:23.04 | reklipz | none of them work |
| 04:23.12 | reklipz | err, no applications work that way |
| 04:23.15 | reklipz | anymore |
| 04:23.21 | erpo | reklipz: What happens when you try? |
| 04:23.25 | Gm4n | ameyer: well, that's a good way to allow for integrity checks on large downloads, I suppose :) |
| 04:23.28 | kaiorafael | erpo: you could try to connect to your remote system using ssh -X .... |
| 04:23.30 | ameyer | although RAR'd zipped ISO wouldn't surprise me |
| 04:23.40 | reklipz | for instance: DISPLAY=:0 gmplayer & |
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| 04:24.06 | ameyer | Gm4n: has to do with restrictions on message size in some server software back in the day or something |
| 04:24.12 | reklipz | http://pastebin.com/m7f7f5b0b |
| 04:24.27 | reklipz | lines 7 through 9 |
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| 04:25.09 | erpo | reklipz: Bizarre. Does it work when you start it from that system directly? |
| 04:25.28 | reklipz | umm, you mean like in a gnome-terminal session on the desktop? |
| 04:25.33 | erpo | reklipz: Yes. |
| 04:25.35 | reklipz | or in a diff tty |
| 04:25.51 | reklipz | in a gnom-terminal session, I don't need to specify DISPLAY, but I will try it once quick |
| 04:25.58 | erpo | When you're physically in front of the computer using its attached keyboard and monitor. |
| 04:26.05 | reklipz | indeed |
| 04:26.09 | reklipz | it does work |
| 04:26.19 | reklipz | if I do it in a gnome-terminal on the desktop |
| 04:26.31 | erpo | Were you logged into an X session when you tried running gmplayer from ssh? |
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| 04:27.22 | Gm4n | ameyer: isn't that standard? |
| 04:27.32 | reklipz | if I do it from a tty, it does not work |
| 04:27.42 | reklipz | yes, I was logged into gdm |
| 04:27.46 | reklipz | and it was sitting at the desktop |
| 04:27.52 | Gm4n | oh, because of size restrictions |
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| 04:28.03 | erpo | reklipz: I don't know then. Maybe there's some kind of debug mode you could turn on? |
| 04:28.05 | mosty | i'm looking for a program that can ping a host periodically (every few seconds) and graph the results, any recommendations? |
| 04:28.42 | erpo | mosty: Are you interested in latency or whether or not the system is up? |
| 04:28.44 | reklipz | is there anyway I can run mplayer without gnome installed, and start it via ssh? |
| 04:29.01 | mosty | erpo, latency |
| 04:29.03 | Gm4n | erpo: while I'm mkfs and other frightening things, can I also merge partitions and change the filesystem format to ext3? |
| 04:29.08 | mosty | reklipz, yes |
| 04:29.29 | reklipz | mosty: how would I do this? I could not figure it out on my own |
| 04:29.36 | mosty | reklipz, ssh -X |
| 04:29.44 | erpo | Gm4n: I don't know what you mean by merge partitions, but if you're going to mkfs then you certainly can switch the filesystem to ext3. |
| 04:29.48 | mosty | all you need is xbase-clients and mplayer installed on the server |
| 04:30.02 | reklipz | the ssh client is not a linux system |
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| 04:30.06 | reklipz | and is not runing x |
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| 04:30.13 | Gm4n | erpo: my raid1 pair is broken into 7 partitions, and I'm not a fan |
| 04:30.14 | erpo | Gm4n: Be aware BTW that although ext3 is more stable than XFS, it has significantly poorer large file delete performance. |
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| 04:30.39 | erpo | Gm4n: Yeah, go nuts. If you're going to reformat anyway you might as well change your partition layout. |
| 04:30.46 | Gm4n | thank you for the warning, but I don't think I mind too much about speed of deletions of large files :) |
| 04:30.54 | erpo | Gm4n: But be really careful, especially if you don't have physical access to the machine. |
| 04:30.56 | Supaplex | LVM2 ftw :) |
| 04:31.05 | Gm4n | erpo: the thing about going nuts is I've never done anything like this before |
| 04:31.07 | Gm4n | it's most frightening |
| 04:31.39 | erpo | Gm4n: Good. One little mistake and you'll end up with an unbootable machine half a continent (or however far) away. |
| 04:31.58 | Gm4n | one continent-width :) |
| 04:32.01 | kaiorafael | reklipz: at least you must have an X client running into your side, PuTTy is able to forward an X application |
| 04:32.24 | wols | erpo: wrong. large file delete is the one thing that is vrey slow on xfs. I see it with my xfs partition all the time. when I ran a 486 and xfs samba, my shares timed out everytime I deleted a file |
| 04:32.26 | reklipz | I'm going to try reinstalling X |
| 04:32.48 | reklipz | if I apt-get remove xserver-xorg*, do I need to do anything to remove anything manually? |
| 04:32.57 | kaiorafael | reklipz: if you are connecting from a linux to linux, you could try ssh -X remote_server |
| 04:33.15 | erpo | wols: That doesn't match my experience. The few times I've tried XFS its large file delete performance has been quite good. |
| 04:33.43 | erpo | wols: XFS supports extents and ext3 does not, so it would make sense... |
| 04:33.47 | wols | !tell reklipz about remove X |
| 04:34.24 | reklipz | thx |
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| 04:35.16 | Dewi | if you want file deletion performance, stick to FAT :P |
| 04:35.27 | Gm4n | Dewi: it never actually deletes anything :P |
| 04:35.32 | Dewi | 1 byte write in a directory list block... :) |
| 04:35.49 | mosty | erpo, can you recommend any latency monitoring tools? |
| 04:35.58 | reklipz | ping |
| 04:36.02 | Dewi | pongggg |
| 04:36.14 | mosty | i need latency graphs |
| 04:36.30 | reklipz | ping + graphviz + > |
| 04:36.42 | reklipz | + bash |
| 04:36.56 | Gm4n | smokeping? |
| 04:37.17 | reklipz | !tell Gm4n about smokeping |
| 04:37.28 | reklipz | he has no idea either |
| 04:37.44 | Supaplex | it's PFM |
| 04:38.12 | reklipz | oic |
| 04:38.26 | wols | Gm4n: neither does xfs |
| 04:38.33 | Gm4n | hehe, interesting |
| 04:38.34 | wols | Dewi: it also clears the FAT entries |
| 04:40.00 | Supaplex | runs shred /proc/kcore just for fun |
| 04:40.17 | Gm4n | erpo: know any good (safe) guides I can use? |
| 04:41.58 | reklipz | do i need to restart after purging x? |
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| 04:42.16 | wols | !tell reklipz about reboot |
| 04:42.24 | Supaplex | what's a reboot? |
| 04:42.30 | reklipz | didn't think so |
| 04:42.34 | Supaplex | is that a windows feature? |
| 04:42.37 | reklipz | lol |
| 04:42.40 | reklipz | nah, they just sleep now |
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| 04:42.50 | Supaplex | for evah! :p |
| 04:43.05 | reklipz | now, what happens if fglrx effed up my graphicscard... then i think i needa reboot |
| 04:43.26 | Supaplex | s/card/ state/ |
| 04:43.35 | reklipz | indeed |
| 04:44.03 | bucky | reklipz, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 04:44.08 | wols | reklipz: no |
| 04:44.37 | reklipz | i cant even ctrl+alt+Fx, how is ctrl+alt+backspace sposed tow ork? |
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| 04:45.05 | reklipz | especially since I've no longer got X installed |
| 04:45.07 | Supaplex | try a hammer ;) |
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| 04:45.52 | reklipz | well... PCI is sposed to be hotpluggable, so I assume PCIe is as well, now if only I can cut and reconnect these damn traces all at once... |
| 04:46.22 | Supaplex | *some* are. |
| 04:46.30 | bucky | yo mojokitty |
| 04:46.39 | wols | reklipz: no it's not on normal PCs |
| 04:46.42 | wols | not at all |
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| 04:47.25 | reklipz | well, anyways, how do I fix my messed up graphics "state" now that the fglrx driver miffed things up? |
| 04:47.40 | wols | what videocard? |
| 04:47.49 | reklipz | it's an integrated ATI2100 i think |
| 04:48.20 | reklipz | Radeon 2100 |
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| 04:49.03 | wols | and your fglrx is from where exactly? |
| 04:49.13 | reklipz | !tell wols fglrx one-liner |
| 04:49.40 | reklipz | tell wols fglrx one-liner |
| 04:49.42 | reklipz | ... |
| 04:49.46 | reklipz | !fglrx one-liner |
| 04:49.47 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:49.53 | wols | check your Xorg.0.log and stop this fruitless bot abuse |
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| 04:52.41 | reklipz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.08 | wols | that's not what I meant |
| 04:53.14 | reklipz | what did you mean |
| 04:54.02 | wols | to check for errors and such |
| 04:54.07 | reklipz | i see |
| 04:54.33 | reklipz | well, there were a lot of lines as follows: AUDIT: Mon Jun 23 23:18:39 2008: 3666 X: client 23 rejected from local host (uid 1000) |
| 04:54.51 | reklipz | I assume this is me running gmplayer /mplayer with DISPLAY=:0 a lot and getting rejected |
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| 04:55.09 | reklipz | mostly becuase the uuid of the user I was running them as matches |
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| 04:57.37 | reklipz | well, it looks like I need to reboot the box after all... |
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| 05:00.40 | Gm4n | is raiding before partitions, or are partitions before raiding? |
| 05:00.53 | reklipz | mdadm? |
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| 05:02.00 | erpo | Gm4n: It depends. You can do either. But typically partitions come before raiding with software raid and after raiding with hardware raid. |
| 05:02.20 | reklipz | well, with software raid, it's kinda both before and after |
| 05:02.23 | Gm4n | how can I tell which? |
| 05:02.23 | erpo | Actually, partitions always come after raiding with true hardware raid, but with software it can go either way. |
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| 05:02.59 | reklipz | what packages do I need to be able to start x? |
| 05:03.30 | jaggz- | sid and lenny include a program I want.. but I'm at etch.. |
| 05:04.07 | Gm4n | how can I tell if a raid is hardware or software, and if it's before or after partitions? |
| 05:04.07 | jaggz- | I'm very scared of a dist-upgrade being sloppy |
| 05:04.22 | wols | !tell jaggz- about ssb |
| 05:04.33 | wols | !tell reklipz about install X |
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| 05:05.16 | mosty | Gm4n, how expensive was this raid card? |
| 05:05.46 | Gm4n | mosty: I'm trying to determine if there is a raid card or not... this is dedicated hosting. Never seen the box. |
| 05:06.06 | wols | what controller then? |
| 05:06.12 | wols | that you see with lspci |
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| 05:06.23 | mosty | Gm4n, find the card in lspci and google it |
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| 05:07.43 | Gm4n | wols: would a serial ata controller be a raid card, or would the lspci say "raid" in it? |
| 05:07.46 | reklipz | hole E cow |
| 05:07.48 | reklipz | it worked |
| 05:07.59 | wols | tell us what hdd controllers you have |
| 05:08.20 | mosty | Gm4n, it might be. google the model number |
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| 05:09.36 | Gm4n | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1054921 |
| 05:10.02 | wols | do not use pastebin.ca |
| 05:10.10 | wols | oh. they fixed their CSS finally |
| 05:10.19 | wols | no RAID |
| 05:11.01 | Gm4n | awesome, so it's a software raid? |
| 05:11.25 | wols | if linux, yes |
| 05:11.49 | Gm4n | it's debian, that's why I'm here :P |
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| 05:12.47 | Gm4n | how do I check if it's before or after partitioning? |
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| 05:12.47 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 05:13.00 | Gm4n | what pastebin should I be using? |
| 05:13.15 | reklipz | generally, if they're using mdadm, the block device will be of the form /dev/md* |
| 05:13.15 | wols | !paste |
| 05:13.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:14.05 | Gm4n | http://paste.debian.net/7448/ |
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| 05:15.49 | Gm4n | that means raid is after partition, right? |
| 05:16.43 | reklipz | I think you are misguided. No matter what, you will always need to partition after raid, whether it's software or hardware. |
| 05:17.07 | Gm4n | ah, ok |
| 05:17.13 | Gm4n | so I have raid -> partitions |
| 05:17.24 | reklipz | if it's software, you need to partition via software before the raid module can present it as a block device, if it's hardware, the hardware card will take care of the disks for you |
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| 05:18.17 | Gm4n | it's software. So it's one partition on both disks -> software raid 1 -> partitions on top? |
| 05:18.36 | reklipz | thanks everyone, now i can watch bsg |
| 05:18.55 | Gm4n | reklipz: I can't belive they stopped halfway through the season :( |
| 05:19.13 | reklipz | good thing I'm still on s03 |
| 05:19.16 | reklipz | (ep 04) |
| 05:19.51 | reklipz | i was gonna stop at end of s02 last night, but i just couldn't leave it hanging like that, so i watched 3 eps of s03 till 5 in the morning :D |
| 05:20.01 | Gm4n | hehe, I did the same thing myself |
| 05:20.21 | Gm4n | season 3 wasn't as good as the others, dang writer's strike :( |
| 05:21.02 | Gm4n | reklipz: you wouldn't happen to know a good guide on non-destructive repartitioning on a raid, would you? |
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| 05:22.20 | mosty | Gm4n, are you changing the size of the raid array, or just resizing the partitions on it? |
| 05:22.51 | elitemind | i just plugged in my usb into my computer but i dont know what the drive is called example /dev/sdc. How do i tell whats connected? |
| 05:23.17 | crweb | how do i apply all the correct kernel-patches to my kernel rebiuld? |
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| 05:23.36 | Gm4n | one partition is corrupted, but while I'm in the process of fixing, I'd like to merge into one partition (from 6), and I'd like to change from XFS to ext3 |
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| 05:23.52 | mosty | Gm4n, you won't be able to do that all in place |
| 05:24.37 | elitemind | be right back |
| 05:25.02 | crweb | i have /usr/src/kernel-patches but I don't know what to put for --add-patches |
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| 05:29.02 | tenzind | hi .. am trying to install Debian on a Poweredge 4400. A recent weekly build lenny iso could detect the hard disk. But when i boot after installation, I get this error saying /dev/sda1 was not found. What could the problem be? |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: please pick one channel to ask that question in, and only ask it in one. |
| 05:30.18 | samantha-- | is there an mp3 encoder that will encode an entire directory tree of wav files? |
| 05:30.36 | dondelelcaro | samantha--: any encoder will do that. |
| 05:30.42 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 05:31.10 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: thought i may get more help .. :) |
| 05:31.28 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: but in short, the general reason is that the kernel that you installed doesn't match the kernel that you used to install, or /dev/sda is no longer the same device, or similar. |
| 05:31.38 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: if you give the complete error that you're getting,w e'll be abel to help you more. |
| 05:32.11 | Gm4n | mosty: I won't? how will I do it, then? |
| 05:32.20 | Gm4n | sorry, had to move locations and reattach to my screen :P |
| 05:32.48 | mosty | Gm4n, back everything up first, then copy it back once you've repartitioned and created a new filesystem |
| 05:32.58 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: i get this error : "i2o : iop0 : could not activate controller" and then the /dev/sda1 not found error. After that I get a busybox shell |
| 05:33.12 | Gm4n | mosty: can I create a new filesystem without nuking the OS? |
| 05:33.19 | mosty | Gm4n, yes |
| 05:33.43 | Gm4n | so back up user data is sufficient? |
| 05:33.48 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: are you using raid of some sort? |
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| 05:34.08 | mosty | Gm4n, any filesystem that you want to reformat, will have to have the data copied back afterwards |
| 05:34.57 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: i think so .. I am not sure .. may be I will have to read on raid stuffs |
| 05:35.45 | viperserv2 | u need kvm to change 3ware raid? |
| 05:36.07 | nvz | !raid |
| 05:36.07 | dpkg | i guess raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 05:36.08 | viperserv2 | well remotely |
| 05:36.28 | Gm4n | mosty: and what tools should I be using? parted? |
| 05:36.48 | viperserv2 | my dedicate server is raid1 hard and i want to get it raid0 |
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| 05:38.59 | Gm4n | I'm just trying to be very prepared before I take server offline and do scary stuff :P |
| 05:39.03 | Gm4n | well, somewhat offline |
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| 05:40.07 | iateadonut | what is the best (easiest to install on debian, etc) encoder for php? |
| 05:40.20 | nevyn | encoder? |
| 05:40.58 | mosty | cat |
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| 05:41.28 | wols | iateadonut: what is a php encoder? |
| 05:41.49 | nvz | he said encoder for php not php encoder |
| 05:41.58 | hoxu | !tell iateadonut about search |
| 05:42.10 | nvz | I figure either he wants an encoder written in php, or doesn't know what an encoder is and means he wants an editor/ide |
| 05:42.32 | hoxu | iateadonut, I guess you mean you want to use PHP scripts over apache? |
| 05:42.49 | hoxu | !tell iateadonut about php |
| 05:42.59 | iateadonut | oh. i meant that i want a php encoder. |
| 05:43.22 | iateadonut | i had installed eaccelerator on a mandriva system before. i was hoping to find out which one works well with debian |
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| 05:43.50 | iateadonut | or if there are any alternatives. (yes, php over apache). |
| 05:43.56 | wols | iateadonut: there is no such thing as a "php encoder" |
| 05:44.05 | nvz | ugh.. this dvd won |
| 05:44.15 | nvz | 't mount in debian, and windows thinks its blank.. |
| 05:44.29 | hoxu | wols, google suggests he might mean some kind of obfuscator or something... |
| 05:44.44 | nvz | yet roxio says its a DVD-R, Closed, Data containing 4,282.8MB one data track |
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| 05:45.20 | nvz | I have no clue what is wrong with it.. cause I've never used these DVDs before or that shitty burning software my grandmother had on her pc |
| 05:45.47 | hoxu | !eaccelerator |
| 05:45.47 | dpkg | from memory, eaccelerator is a free open-source PHP accelerator, optimizer, and dynamic content cache http://eaccelerator.net/ |
| 05:45.55 | hoxu | iateadonut, is that your "encoder"? |
| 05:46.44 | nvz | another unhappy customer.. heh |
| 05:46.55 | nvz | gonna go badmouth us cause he can't make sense |
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| 05:47.04 | nvz | or not.. |
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| 05:47.49 | iateadonut | eaccelerator says they are not an encoder anymore. and eaccelerator isn't in the debian repos. |
| 05:48.12 | hoxu | iateadonut, you still didn't answer wols' question: WTF is a "php encoder"? |
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| 05:49.00 | nvz | iateadonut: http://www.howtoforge.com/eaccelerator_php5_debian_etch |
| 05:49.16 | iateadonut | this is from turckmem's website: |
| 05:49.16 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.25 | iateadonut | Encoded files can be run on any site which runs PHP with Turck MMCache 2.3.10 or above. The sources of encoded scripts can't be restored because they are stored in a compiled form and the encoded version doesn't contain the source. |
| 05:49.33 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.50 | nvz | iateadonut: if you like being able to talk in here you might want to stop that |
| 05:50.07 | hoxu | nvz, chill :p |
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| 05:50.22 | nvz | hoxu: you chill, you provoked that |
| 05:50.25 | hoxu | iateadonut, it's an obfuscator then |
| 05:50.29 | Gm4n | should fdisk -l be saying disks don't contain valid partition tables? |
| 05:50.31 | nvz | I just answered his question |
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| 05:50.56 | nvz | the bottom line is he's not the idiot.. the creator of that script is |
| 05:51.41 | nvz | either way, I gave him a howto explaining exactly how to get his eaccelerator thingy working in debian etch |
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| 05:52.18 | hoxu | iateadonut, I don't think there are PHP obfuscators in debian, so you are on your own, have fun with google :p |
| 05:52.38 | iateadonut | yeah. |
| 05:52.46 | nvz | personally I think php is stupid altogeter I wish a bunch of developers would go to some remote corner of the web and shove their php up their asp |
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| 05:53.28 | iateadonut | nvz: what's the best language for a web-enabled application? |
| 05:53.52 | nvz | iateadonut: thats all a matter of opinion, asp and php seem to be the most widely used |
| 05:54.00 | nvz | iateadonut: I for one would use python |
| 05:54.08 | nvz | but thats just my opinion |
| 05:54.15 | nvz | !opinion |
| 05:54.24 | nvz | !opinions |
| 05:54.24 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
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| 05:55.38 | nvz | I'm by no means a hard-core developer, I'm mostly just a tech consultant who is tired of hearing about php |
| 05:55.39 | Dewi | wols: if it cleared the FAT entries, undelete wouldn't be so easy... maybe it clears the first one? |
| 05:56.05 | Dewi | wols: oh... hmm, the first is actually in the directory entry, not the FAT |
| 05:56.18 | Dewi | wols: so I think it leaves the FAT alone |
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| 05:56.30 | Dewi | wols: gah, it's been a while :) |
| 05:57.07 | Dewi | wols: if the first block was only in the directory entry it would be awfully hard to work out if a block was in use, so there is a definite gap in my knowledge |
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| 05:57.36 | iateadonut | nvz, if you care to vent some more, i'd like to hear something recent you had to deal with someone talking about php (besides me). |
| 05:57.52 | Dewi | wols: anyway it sure is fast, and writes almost nothing |
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| 05:58.05 | wols | Dewi: if it doesn't clear the fat entries you have "lost clusters". this is not debian related howerver |
| 05:58.34 | rm_you | I just updated bash-completion in Sid, and now it refuses to actually complete anything... is this a known issue or is something broken on my system? |
| 05:58.46 | wols | !bts |
| 05:58.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 05:58.50 | Dewi | wols: you're right |
| 05:59.00 | nvz | iateadonut: heh.. this is not the time or place to be ranting on about why I hate php. its pretty much just that php people always seem to be in a mess like the one you are in.. where as I've never met a python developer who is having a hell of a time getting something to work. I've done web development in python and its simple, and it works |
| 05:59.38 | nvz | iateadonut: now as for benchmark comparisons between the languages and such.. I have no idea.. I just know I don't here people comming in here asking stupid questions about apache, python, and foo |
| 05:59.39 | wols | nvz: php is like windows: it sucks unbelievably but you can't ignore it |
| 05:59.53 | hoxu | iateadonut, nvz: programming languages and frameworks are just plain tools, you can fancy one over another but at the end of the day the right thing is to choose the one suitable for the task. Having a bunch of tools around is always a good idea too :) |
| 05:59.56 | nvz | wols: believe me I want to forget both exist |
| 06:00.52 | nvz | puts away his availability heuristics |
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| 06:01.49 | iateadonut | so, the suggestion for a person who works with mysql databases who can only use php is to learn python. |
| 06:02.41 | nvz | iateadonut: no, to be blunt and ignorant about it.. my suggestion to that person is to stfu.. but like I said, thats just my opinion |
| 06:03.02 | nvz | iateadonut: take it with a grain of salt and go read that howto and be happy |
| 06:04.25 | nvz | just seems to me like generally speaking PHP developers don't know how to do whatever it is they are trying to do... EVER and its annoying... so they should get into another line of work or learn another language |
| 06:06.03 | daedalus_ | I'm running testing and just updated my packages. In the process, the transcode package got deleted (wasn't paying attention), and I can't seem to get it to install again. apt claims that dependencies can't be filled. Anyone else seeing this problem? |
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| 06:06.27 | brianski | how do i tell apt-get to stop redirecting one package to another? |
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| 06:06.39 | brianski | I get messages: Selecting foo-static instead of foo ? |
| 06:06.54 | hoxu | daedalus_, it's a good idea to show your sources.list along with the full output showing what command you are running and what it says |
| 06:07.17 | daedalus_ | hoxu: would you like it dumped here, or in flood? |
| 06:07.22 | hoxu | !paste |
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| 06:08.33 | Gm4n | urk, having some connectivity issues. what do I need to RTFM on to redo my drive partitioning? |
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| 06:10.54 | daedalus_ | transcode install weirdness: http://paste.debian.net/7449/ |
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| 06:11.59 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: fdisk, if you don't need to save your data. PartitionMagic if you do |
| 06:12.17 | Gm4n | daedalus_: I do need to save data, but I don't have pysical access (box is a couple thousand miles away) |
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| 06:12.52 | vy | How can I drop into qemu command line? Is there any command line argument should be given to qemu to be able to activate (qemu) command line interface? |
| 06:13.21 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: oh god... Well, partitionMagic then, and cross every digit you have. |
| 06:13.35 | Gm4n | partitionmagic is a boot disk, methought |
| 06:14.03 | wols | Gm4n: it's especially a windows program |
| 06:14.15 | Gm4n | umm, windows? |
| 06:14.16 | wols | daedalus_: don't tell people to use windows programs on their linux PCs... |
| 06:14.26 | Gm4n | no spreken winblowz |
| 06:14.45 | daedalus_ | Gm4n, my bad. Um, doesn't lvm have hot partitioning capabilities? |
| 06:14.46 | wols | use parted |
| 06:15.00 | wols | !tell daedalus_ about lvm |
| 06:15.02 | daedalus_ | wols: it's a tool... we use tools here... |
| 06:15.14 | wols | daedalus_: a non DFSG tool which doesn't even work |
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| 06:15.25 | hoxu | daedalus_, you can extend logical volumes online, yes, and some filesystems support resizing online too, for example ext3 |
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| 06:15.52 | hoxu | Is there anything that can generate timeline graphs in debian? |
| 06:16.06 | daedalus_ | openoffice ;) |
| 06:16.20 | daedalus_ | hoxu: what do you want a timeline of? |
| 06:16.52 | Gm4n | wols: sorry to be a pest, but can I unmount a partition and merge two other (non-partitioned blocks?) into it while system is running live? |
| 06:17.05 | hoxu | daedalus_, from/to dates & a label |
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| 06:17.27 | hoxu | daedalus_, I'll have a look at openoffice if there's nothing else, but commandline would be preferable :) |
| 06:18.48 | daedalus_ | hoxu: I guess I'm confused as to what your idea of a timeline is then. You want tickmarks on a line at dates you specify, and you want two kinds of tick marks (to and from), and you want to label each point? |
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| 06:19.46 | hoxu | daedalus_, tickmarks would be ok, but it would be nice to be able to specify "bars" of kinds from a date to another, with a given label |
| 06:19.50 | wols | Gm4n: yes |
| 06:19.56 | Gm4n | wols: http://pastebin.com/d67ade5dd |
| 06:20.05 | Gm4n | I don't think that many things are supposed to not contain a valid partition table... |
| 06:20.38 | wols | it's a single non valid one probably |
| 06:21.24 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 06:21.28 | daedalus_ | hoxu: so you want more of a gannt chart type thing then? |
| 06:21.37 | Gm4n | md1, the one that it's complaining about, is mounted on / |
| 06:21.42 | Gm4n | this keeps sounding scarier and scarier |
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| 06:23.51 | daedalus_ | Gm4n, wait, dev md1 implies a raid device. You would need to grow the raid first, then extend the filesystem into the new free space... |
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| 06:24.32 | hoxu | daedalus_, for the "illustrates start and finish dates" part yes :) |
| 06:24.32 | Gm4n | daedalus_: I have a software raid. Does it matter, though? aren't my problems "on top" of md? |
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| 06:26.01 | gane | how to install the driver for scanner .., help me ., i am using debian my machine |
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| 06:28.33 | foutrelis | gane, what model is your scanner? |
| 06:28.36 | daedalus_ | hoxu: hrmm. I can't think of anything off the top of my head... If you're ambitious, you could write it up in postscript |
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| 06:29.50 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: you can't add blocks to a filesystem that aren't on the same "partition". That is, that aren't currently part of md1. So, if you have free blocks on md1 that you need to add to the filesystem, then you're through the first hurdle. |
| 06:30.42 | Gm4n | daedalus_: can't I delete a partition and append the freed blocks to the preceeding partition, then grow it? |
| 06:32.24 | erpo | Gm4n: Depends. Can you live without the preceeding partition for a few minutes? |
| 06:32.49 | Gm4n | I can live without most of them, I'm just confused about what order they are in |
| 06:32.56 | Gm4n | and which do and don't exist :/ |
| 06:33.08 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: can you show me what "mount" returns? (pastebin) |
| 06:33.49 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: I'm concerned about the "doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 06:33.58 | Gm4n | that makes two of us :) |
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| 06:34.14 | Gm4n | !paste |
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| 06:34.58 | Gm4n | daedalus_: http://paste.debian.net/7450/ |
| 06:35.16 | viperserv2 | is there away to access 3ware in ssh? |
| 06:36.23 | erpo | viperserv2: You mean a way to access a raid controller's bios before the OS is loaded? |
| 06:36.23 | Gm4n | viperserv2: how do you normally access it? |
| 06:36.45 | viperserv2 | well thats the problem |
| 06:36.53 | viperserv2 | it's on a dedicated server :( |
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| 06:37.48 | viperserv2 | they have vkvm support |
| 06:37.58 | viperserv2 | but not sure if i can get ot bios with it |
| 06:38.12 | erpo | viperserv2: Well, try. SSH is not the solution to your problem. |
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| 06:38.51 | viperserv2 | u hit del to getto bios? |
| 06:38.56 | daedalus_ | viperserv2: vkvm might do it. It'll be either that or a serial console server. |
| 06:39.32 | daedalus_ | viperserv2: del is common, but it could be F2, F8, esc, or any number of keys... |
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| 06:39.58 | erpo | viperserv2: Also, you may have to hit a key that's different from the one you use to access the regular bios. |
| 06:40.08 | erpo | viperserv2: You know, for the option rom. |
| 06:40.41 | daedalus_ | viperserv2: if I don't get lucky after a few guesses, I deliberately mash the keyboard so the bios thinks there's a broken/stuck key. It usually gives you a clue when it displays the error msg. |
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| 06:41.08 | erpo | viperserv2: Or you could just waltz into the data center. |
| 06:41.14 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: So, can I get a cat of /proc/mdstat ? |
| 06:41.30 | viperserv2 | from usa to france :( |
| 06:41.54 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: I'm really confused about the whole md1 being mounted ext3, but fdisk being clueless about it. |
| 06:41.59 | viperserv2 | -bash: /proc/mdstat: Permission denied |
| 06:42.06 | Gm4n | daedalus_: http://paste.debian.net/7451/ |
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| 06:42.43 | viperserv2 | doh hehe |
| 06:42.52 | milligan_ | I'm having some language difficulties. Could anyone explain to me what the parent_domain_matches_subdomains setting from the postfix manual does ? |
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| 06:43.39 | OpenTokix | huh, what is debian-overflow and why was I kixored? |
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| 06:43.43 | wols | milligan_: #postfix |
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| 06:44.35 | Tapout | is there a way to edit raid stripe setups remotely? IMPI? or anything |
| 06:44.55 | Tapout | kvm over ipmi.. let you see the screen? |
| 06:45.35 | daedalus_ | Man, raid is popular tonight. |
| 06:46.26 | daedalus_ | Tapout: if you have to fiddle with the raid card, then your only hope is a remote kvm capability, or a serial console server. |
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| 06:46.58 | daedalus_ | Or you can pay for a touch by the colo guys. |
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| 06:47.45 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: Heh. interesting. I just fdisk'd my raid5 device to see what it should be doing, and I got the same error. |
| 06:48.10 | Gm4n | whew, so that's not a terrible thing :) |
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| 06:48.43 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: well... it just means that there are two concerned people in the room ;) |
| 06:48.56 | Gm4n | oh, okie :D |
| 06:49.08 | Gm4n | as long as the other concerned person knows more than I do :P |
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| 06:49.56 | binarymutant | does anyone know a way to transfer v4l events into mouse events? Like using the utility motion to make mouse events? |
| 06:50.04 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: Oh, I'm an idiot. md1 shouldn't have a pertition table |
| 06:50.28 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: you mke2fs directly on that device when you set it up. |
| 06:50.44 | viperserv2 | Kernel: vKVM Mode activated |
| 06:51.07 | viperserv2 | is that what u need to get into bios? |
| 06:51.45 | daedalus_ | viperserv2: I have no idea. I haven't used that feature. |
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| 06:52.29 | Gm4n | daedalus_: so it's hard drives -> software raid -> /dev/md -> fdisk? |
| 06:53.03 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: hd - |
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| 06:53.54 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: hds are fdisked into paritions. Partitions are ganged by mdadm to create md devices. then you mke2fs the md devices |
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| 06:54.09 | Guerin | jeeesus this nfs share is slow |
| 06:54.17 | Guerin | but only on read; write is fast as |
| 06:54.43 | Gm4n | daedalus_: so there's probably one single partition on both drives, which are being ganged into /dev/md, which is then being partitioned? |
| 06:55.03 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: No second paritioning |
| 06:55.25 | Gm4n | oh, ok. would that not work, or is that just non-standard? |
| 06:55.36 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: There is no partition table on md1. It just starts out with the first block of the filesystem. |
| 06:55.52 | jaggz- | hey, if you visit my site www.voycabulary.com is it redirecting you to another site I handle (insurance site)?? |
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| 06:56.06 | Gm4n | I don't understand why it's md1/md2, then... why not mda1/mdb1/mdc1? |
| 06:56.10 | jaggz- | in lynx it works.. but in iceweasel it's not going to voycabulary.. that's weird. |
| 06:56.15 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: No, this is normal. I was just having a senior moment (in my mid 20's...) |
| 06:56.28 | jaggz- | daedalus, are you a cat or a dog?? |
| 06:56.41 | erpo | Gm4n: Because you don't cut md's up into partitions. |
| 06:56.48 | Gm4n | oooh, got it :) |
| 06:56.51 | erpo | Gm4n: Kinda like /dev/loop0 /dev/loop1... |
| 06:56.56 | Gm4n | so you'll never get a naming conflict |
| 06:56.58 | Gm4n | :) |
| 06:57.01 | daedalus_ | Right |
| 06:57.17 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: So, back to the original problem. |
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| 06:57.45 | Guerin | righto, where do I start tuning for performance? |
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| 06:58.11 | Guerin | i have a NFS server; writing to it is fine, but copying from it (same client) is insanely slow. |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | no performance problem with scp, etc. |
| 06:58.33 | jaggz- | my nameserver setup seems fine.. how strange |
| 06:58.46 | Guerin | real 3m35.647s (for a 2.8MB file) |
| 06:59.31 | unrar_ | hallo nach de |
| 06:59.39 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: So, I see a new problem. |
| 06:59.47 | Gm4n | daedalus_: uhoh :-/ |
| 07:00.26 | erpo | Guerin: No idea. Any performance tuning guides online? |
| 07:00.26 | Tapout | what raid stripe should I use.. 4096? |
| 07:00.45 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: you want to extend /. / must be on a primary partition (someone correct me if I'm wrong!). |
| 07:00.55 | erpo | Tapout: Large stripes for large files. Small stripes for small files. |
| 07:01.10 | Tapout | middle road? |
| 07:01.24 | erpo | Tapout: How big is middle road? |
| 07:01.26 | Gm4n | daedalus_: can I not operate on md itself? |
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| 07:01.48 | Tapout | I've got 2 large databases on this machine, 4096 seems a lot better than 1024 tho |
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| 07:02.12 | erpo | Tapout: Database workloads are special cases. Other than that, I don't know much about them. |
| 07:02.19 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: To extend md1, you would need to extend sda1 and sdb1 which are bracketed by the swap space, which is cramped by the extended partitions following.... |
| 07:02.51 | Gm4n | oh dear :-/ |
| 07:03.00 | Gm4n | is it still possible? |
| 07:03.03 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: unlikely, since there are likely no free blocks in md1 right now |
| 07:03.08 | Gm4n | be back in 5 min, have to relocate again |
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| 07:05.27 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: regarding "is it possible"... It would be tricky. The only way I see it going down is to relocate your swap space on the fly, cannibalize the resulting free space, grow the array using mdadm, and then extend the ext3 filesystem into the new space. |
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| 07:06.09 | Guerin | erpo: on further reflection, I think this is beyond performance tuning |
| 07:06.18 | erpo | Oh? |
| 07:06.25 | Guerin | ~10k/sec over a 100mbit ethernet link |
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| 07:06.53 | fireba11 | uah |
| 07:06.54 | Guerin | (when copying from a mounted nfs share, as opposed to full rate of ~6MB/sec by scp) |
| 07:06.55 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: is it important that you extend that partition? Can you do something a little jankier, like move all of /usr onto some other md space? |
| 07:07.12 | fireba11 | Guerin: uhm .. scp copies with 11 MB/s over 100 MBit here :-) |
| 07:07.21 | erpo | Guerin: Well, the bottleneck is somewhere. |
| 07:07.33 | Guerin | fireba11: yeahyeah, might have been the file I was using was only 6MB ;) |
| 07:07.38 | fireba11 | ah ok |
| 07:07.48 | Guerin | but it's `acceptable' in any case |
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| 07:08.29 | daedalus_ | Guerin: nfsv3, or v4? |
| 07:08.49 | Guerin | daedalus_: openbsd CFS, which is a v2 implementation |
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| 07:09.05 | daedalus_ | Heh |
| 07:09.10 | Guerin | i'm nuking it now and using their stock implementation, since it doesn't appear to be the client |
| 07:09.25 | Guerin | but write performance is plenty fast enough |
| 07:10.36 | daedalus_ | The only thing I can think of is a locking problem (lockfiles versus kernel support, etc) |
| 07:11.02 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 07:11.14 | Guerin | this is the only client with it mounted, so I'd not expect that to matter |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | but hey |
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| 07:12.36 | daedalus_ | Guerin: well, not that it's thrashing, but if it's creating a lockfile and deleting it for every packet read, and then flushing/stating the fs before every read, there could be a lot of disk churn going on... |
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| 07:13.01 | daedalus_ | I guess you would call that thrashing... :-/ |
| 07:13.19 | erpo | Guerin: Hey: crazy idea. Could you just share the filesystem over sftp instead? |
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| 07:15.11 | daedalus_ | Well, nfs works. I've got a v3 installation (standard debian) that gets great throughput. I push mythtv datafiles around on it at perfectly respectable speeds. |
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| 07:15.58 | Gm4n | daedalus_: do you think that booting into a rescue system would make it doable? |
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| 07:18.15 | Guerin_ | !test |
| 07:18.15 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:19.26 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: it would help, in that you wouldn't have to be worried about keeping md1 mounted all the time. I'm not sure it would help your organizational headache. If you don't need anything on any of the other partitions though, it might be doable... |
| 07:19.36 | daedalus_ | or, rather, much less painful |
| 07:19.40 | Gm4n | daedalus_: I basically just need my OS |
| 07:19.49 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | test failed, alright |
| 07:19.55 | Gm4n | I can back up and restore everything else |
| 07:20.13 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: Ok, well then... |
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| 07:20.29 | Gm4n | daedalus_: well, OS, installed software, and configuration |
| 07:20.34 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: right |
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| 07:22.09 | unrar_ | looks like i am to stupid to use google ... is there a free AVIRA Antivir scanner ... i made my own liveUsbBoot disk and need a good virus scanner so i can scan xp systems |
| 07:22.36 | Gm4n | daedalus_: everything is already backed up, but should I make a second (more easily accessible) backup of anything? |
| 07:23.09 | erpo | unrar_: clamav? |
| 07:23.11 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: Well, if I had to do it, I'd clear everything off the disk except sda1/sdb1. Then use parted to extend these partitions. Then use mdadm to extend md1 into this additional space. Then extend the filesystem on md1 to fill the new blocks (I have no idea how to do this last step. Today was the first I'd heard it was possible) |
| 07:24.24 | unrar_ | erpo: i thought AVIRA Antivir has a free one also but i can't find it ... |
| 07:24.25 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: make a backup of your base config files, and expecially your dpkg/apt files in /var. In the event of catastrophic failure, they'll be the best at getting you back on your feet quickly. |
| 07:25.16 | Gm4n | alrighty, because right now I'm doing encrypted backups over plain ftp (ftp is provided with package), but I can copy anything I want quickly and easily over to another server |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | 10750 ?? D 0:00.08 nfsd: server (nfsd) |
| 07:25.34 | Guerin | the NFS process is in D state - it's unable to read - so am I to presume the filesystem is behind all this? |
| 07:25.49 | daedalus_ | Sounds plausible |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | the filesystem reads fine elsewise; for instance, for scp or whatall else |
| 07:26.16 | Guerin | it's a raid-1 and is clean, etc. |
| 07:27.10 | daedalus_ | I suppose you could try strace-ing nfsd |
| 07:27.33 | Guerin | what alternative file-sharing systems do I have? |
| 07:27.41 | Guerin | is sshfs useable yet? |
| 07:27.44 | Gm4n | daedalus_: this article seems relevant: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/424 |
| 07:28.04 | erpo | Guerin: I don't think it's multi-user. |
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| 07:28.15 | erpo | Guerin: What is your intended use? |
| 07:28.47 | daedalus_ | guerin: are you writing on the server side, or through the client? |
| 07:28.51 | daedalus_ | err reading |
| 07:29.13 | daedalus_ | Stupid question |
| 07:29.28 | Guerin | erpo: media dumpspace |
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| 07:29.43 | Guerin | and for scheduling backups etc. |
| 07:30.04 | hoxu | daedalus_, about that timeline graphing thingy... did you have something in mind that could create "ticks"? |
| 07:30.16 | Guerin | daedalus_: i'm writing client-side; identical performance using either cp or rsync from the mounted share to a local device |
| 07:30.26 | erpo | Guerin: Oh yeah. sshfs for media and rsync supports transferring files over ssh/sftp natively. |
| 07:30.39 | daedalus_ | Guerin: nfsstat give you anything useful? |
| 07:30.39 | Guerin | yeah, rsync is my friend |
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| 07:30.52 | Guerin | hm, never used nfsstat, let's see |
| 07:30.57 | niru | whats the linux driver for hp scanjet G2410 |
| 07:31.00 | niru | scanner |
| 07:31.11 | Guerin | erpo: do I need anything clever on server-side for sshfs, or just fuse on client-side? |
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| 07:31.23 | erpo | Guerin: Nothing clever on the server side. |
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| 07:31.33 | Guerin | awesome |
| 07:31.38 | Guerin | my kinda technology |
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| 07:33.58 | daedalus_ | hoxu: well, I suppose you could bastardize "dot" into doing it for you... but that's a wild-ass hack |
| 07:34.19 | hoxu | daedalus_, hur, indeed, I think using gnuplot to do that would be much easier :) |
| 07:34.59 | daedalus_ | hoxu: yeah, gnuplot is your friend methinks. |
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| 07:36.20 | Diluvium | hey guys what file is the equivlent to rc.conf (system startup scripts) in debian |
| 07:36.57 | daedalus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.02 | erpo | Diluvium: I don't know what rc.conf is, but you might be interested in the contents of /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rcX.d/. |
| 07:37.18 | Diluvium | ok dokey |
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| 07:37.26 | erpo | Diluvium: Where X is a digit or S. |
| 07:37.36 | Diluvium | hmm that looks like the script repositories |
| 07:37.42 | Diluvium | where do I actually tell it what I want starting |
| 07:38.07 | daedalus_ | Ehm, man update-rc.d |
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| 07:38.30 | daedalus_ | It's.. non-trivial (for reasons that escape me...) |
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| 07:38.42 | Diluvium | ill just tell the startup scripts to return 0; |
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| 07:39.04 | daedalus_ | Diluvium: I just rename the startup script to <scriptname>- |
| 07:39.15 | Diluvium | good plan |
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| 07:43.30 | Guerin | !fuse |
| 07:43.30 | dpkg | somebody said fuse was at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 07:43.53 | Guerin | looks like I gots to get me a new kernel |
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| 07:45.50 | erpo | Just on the client side. |
| 07:45.55 | Gm4n | daedalus_: will this tutorial work for me? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/424 |
| 07:48.03 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: yep. That's golden |
| 07:48.05 | Gm4n | I think this is a good summary of my drive setup: http://paste.debian.net/7457/ |
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| 07:51.24 | ddalton | how can I get default /etc/services? |
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| 07:51.37 | ddalton | a default copy? |
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| 07:52.33 | maligor | from netbase? |
| 07:52.33 | slxix | google? |
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| 07:52.57 | maligor | dpkg gives me: netbase: /etc/services |
| 07:52.57 | dpkg | maligor: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 07:53.04 | maligor | heh |
| 07:53.08 | ddalton | so... if I copy it from my other lenny box will it break things? |
| 07:53.40 | maligor | well, it's used to map named protocol ports |
| 07:53.48 | maligor | a newer copy will probably not break anything |
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| 07:54.00 | maligor | and I doubt much has changed in it for a while now anyway |
| 07:54.12 | slxix | an older copy probably wouldn't hurt either. :) |
| 07:54.14 | maligor | definately not in the most common protocols |
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| 07:55.10 | Guerin | hooray for fuse! |
| 07:55.14 | ddalton | thanks |
| 07:55.22 | hoxu | !confmiss |
| 07:55.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 07:55.24 | hoxu | a bit late :p |
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| 07:56.21 | Gm4n | do two disks in a raid pair have to be the same filesystem? |
| 07:56.56 | maligor | Gm4n, err... I think raid sits under the filesystem, not the other way around |
| 07:57.13 | Gm4n | ooh, ok |
| 07:57.15 | maligor | unless it's mosquito deterrent |
| 07:57.18 | Gm4n | that makes more sense, actually |
| 07:57.19 | nvz | thinks . o O ( ...there are no crazy ideas, just crazy people... ) |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | now to make sshfs mount on boot, and we're good to go |
| 07:57.53 | Gm4n | that shouldn't be too tricky :) |
| 07:58.01 | Gm4n | yay rsa keys? |
| 07:58.02 | Guerin | nvz: s/crazy/stupid/ |
| 07:58.04 | maligor | raid should appear like a virtual single disk |
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| 07:58.11 | Guerin | Gm4n: yay dsa keys, this is 2008 |
| 07:58.32 | Guerin | raid definitely sits under the filesystem |
| 07:58.34 | erpo | DSA keys have a maximum length of 1024 bits, don't they? Isn't that getting a little risky? |
| 07:58.40 | Guerin | no |
| 07:58.55 | Gm4n | I thought the same as erpo :/ |
| 07:59.14 | Guerin | weren't rsa keys the only ones affected by the recent openssl bug? |
| 07:59.16 | erpo | Which question are you answering 'no'? |
| 07:59.31 | Guerin | erpo: re risk. 1024 should be enough bits for anybody :) |
| 07:59.39 | erpo | Guerin: AFAIK all keys were affected since the random number generator was faulty. |
| 07:59.50 | Guerin | mm, yeah |
| 08:00.06 | Guerin | that was some ugly shit |
| 08:00.06 | erpo | Guerin: And 1024 bits of DSA is not nearly as strong as 1024 bits of AES. |
| 08:00.19 | Gm4n | I've heard scary stuff about what the US government has pulled off cracking-wise, actually |
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| 08:00.26 | Gm4n | so I'd rather have a high bit-age RSA key :) |
| 08:00.28 | daedalus_ | Gm4n: I'm headed to dreamland. You'll be fine. Just make sure you follow every step of that howto doc. If you have questions, or feel uneasy about something, these guys are sharp. Definitely ask if you feel uneasy. You're in the land of "data goes poof after one typo" |
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| 08:00.58 | daedalus_ | Good luck |
| 08:01.05 | maligor | Gm4n, ah, you prefer vintage bits, I usually use only new bits |
| 08:01.31 | Guerin | Gm4n: i just set me up a raid0, and the only bit of advice I have for you is: don't be lazy and hard-reboot :) |
| 08:01.42 | Gm4n | Guerin: oh, I will |
| 08:01.43 | Guerin | no, a raid1 |
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| 08:01.59 | Gm4n | it's not a laziness thing, it's a I-don't-have-real-access thing |
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| 08:03.28 | Gm4n | man mdadm |
| 08:03.33 | Gm4n | err, whoops, wrong window. |
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| 08:05.12 | jaggz- | I'm trying to find a backport mirror.. |
| 08:05.18 | TJNII | The RAID tutorial I'm following talks of a persistant-superblock option needed for autodetection/booting. I don't see an option for in in the adadm man page. Am I missing it or is it default? |
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| 08:06.41 | erpo | TJNII: I think it's now the default. You have to go out of your way to create an array without one. |
| 08:06.50 | TJNII | Awesome |
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| 08:07.26 | TJNII | I read that after I created the array and started copying my files back to it, so I wan't looking forward to re-creation. |
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| 08:08.07 | Diluvium | hey guys im trying to install my printer |
| 08:08.09 | Diluvium | and i keep gettingL |
| 08:08.10 | Diluvium | : |
| 08:08.12 | Diluvium | Bad device-uri "cnij_usb:/dev/usb/lp0"! |
| 08:08.19 | Diluvium | the path /dev/usb/lp0 does exist |
| 08:08.21 | alus | I tried to install a .deb with "dpkg -i" |
| 08:08.39 | alus | this was clearly a mistake, as now it wants to upgrade half the packages in my system |
| 08:08.45 | alus | how do I remove it? |
| 08:09.23 | erpo | alus: dpkg --remove |
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| 08:09.41 | alus | it was a newer version of an existing package - I'm affraid remove will remove the package entirely, instead of going back to the old version |
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| 08:11.50 | erpo | alus: You could remove and then install from the repos. |
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| 08:15.16 | Gm4n | I'm in the process of repartitioning my raid1 disk set live (yes, I'm scared shitless), and I'm wondering... should I have 1 ext3 and 1 swap partition per disk? If so, how big should swap be? |
| 08:16.03 | Gm4n | my system setup and attempts at thoughts on the matter: http://paste.debian.net/7460/ |
| 08:16.20 | alus | erpo: many packages depend on this package. |
| 08:16.20 | TJNII | I read that the kernel can seamlessly handlt multiple swap spaces so having 1 swap space per disk isn't a bad idea. |
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| 08:16.38 | alus | erpo: I can't dpkg remove it, even though it has not been upgraded |
| 08:16.39 | fireba11 | Gm4n : i usually just make 5 GB swap without raid on every disk |
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| 08:16.49 | TJNII | That's a lot of swap! |
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| 08:17.08 | Gm4n | alrighty :) |
| 08:17.32 | fireba11 | TJNII: true, but i never know if i'll need it sometime .. also on 750 GB disks 5 GB aren't a lot :-) |
| 08:17.50 | alus | erpo: so the package is in some in-between state? it's the old version installed, but apt-get thinks it is the newer version and wants to upgrade packages |
| 08:17.51 | fireba11 | TJNII: those are boxed with 3 HDs and 8 GB ram usually :-) |
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| 08:19.50 | TJNII | fireba11: True. |
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| 08:23.02 | alus | erpo: http://codepad.org/WoVpCUny ? |
| 08:23.17 | jaggz- | I'm trying to compile sid's ktoon package into my etch system.. but there are some unmet dependencies |
| 08:23.51 | jaggz- | should I revert to the deb repository for etch to obtain these dependencies or is it safe to apt-get them while sid is my repository? |
| 08:24.54 | erpo | alus: Ok. The new version of python-support is installed but not configured. |
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| 08:25.23 | erpo | alus: Can you download a deb for python-support_0.5.6_all.deb and install that? |
| 08:25.33 | jaggz- | aspell's requiring a new libc for example.. that's a bit scary to me.. |
| 08:26.01 | jaggz- | and it's not like existing packages know what will change in the future so I don't know if I can trust the dependency system on this issue |
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| 08:26.40 | alus | erpo: that worked, thanks. |
| 08:26.48 | erpo | alus: np. |
| 08:26.56 | alus | may I suggest a dpkg --undo? :P |
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| 08:27.58 | erpo | alus: Don't think you'll have much luck with that. They're still working on a fix command to complement gdb's break. |
| 08:28.48 | erpo | sync |
| 08:29.29 | erpo | err. Wrong window. |
| 08:29.47 | alus | heh |
| 08:30.08 | alus | well, thanks anyway |
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| 08:30.36 | TJNII | How do I force mkinitrd to look to a specific /lib/modules/ directory instead of going off the current kernal? |
| 08:31.20 | erpo | TJNII: Are you sure you don't mean mkinitramfs? |
| 08:32.57 | TJNII | I don't .......... know. Don't you use mkinitrd to generate /boot/initrd.img-blah |
| 08:33.34 | simonrvn | not much anymore. mostly using mkinitramfs now |
| 08:33.54 | simonrvn | easier to manage and tweak |
| 08:34.50 | streuner | http://times.debian.net/#1250 - nice :-) |
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| 08:35.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:35.44 | dpkg | <niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns? |
| 08:35.46 | Gm4n | does it work to mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --size=max when one disk isn't connected? |
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| 08:36.53 | Coke | I'm trying to change the priority for my alternatives for python so 2.5 is default, I set 2.5 to prio 10 and 2.4 to prio 20, yet 2.4 is the default. What gives? |
| 08:40.15 | Coke | there finally |
| 08:40.59 | Gm4n | is there a clean way to switch where /home is being mounted from? |
| 08:41.39 | slackthumbz | edit your fstab |
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| 08:42.39 | Gm4n | I have a md partition I want to nuke, and I can make enough room for /home on the other partition. I just don't know how to switch over cleanly |
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| 08:43.05 | Gm4n | cp -rp /home /hometmp, umount home, mv hometmp home? |
| 08:44.02 | slackthumbz | yes |
| 08:44.14 | slackthumbz | but also make sure your fstab points to the new partition |
| 08:44.21 | slackthumbz | otherwise it won't mount it when you reboot |
| 08:44.30 | Gm4n | alrighty :) |
| 08:44.39 | slackthumbz | w0rd |
| 08:45.13 | TJNII | Does the debian default install create a grub config file, and, if so, where does it live? |
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| 08:46.01 | gamla_kossan | TJNII: well, that kind of depends, afaik the debian installer let's you choose your own bootloader. |
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| 08:46.37 | gamla_kossan | anyhow, if grub is installed, you'll find the conf file either in /etc/grub.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:47.51 | Diluvium | how do I remove everything |
| 08:48.05 | TJNII | I let the installer use grub, even though I never have. However, I don't see /etc/grub or anything that looks useful in /boot/grub/ |
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| 08:49.37 | orveldv_ | Diluvium: huh? |
| 08:49.41 | o2T7 | Hi |
| 08:49.41 | Gm4n | slackthumbz: willing to take a look at my crazy plan before I launch? |
| 08:49.47 | Diluvium | orveldv_, how do i remov all packages |
| 08:50.19 | orveldv_ | TJNII: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:50.27 | rvsjoen | ... why would you remove everything |
| 08:50.47 | orveldv_ | Diluvium: really all? format the partition then |
| 08:50.57 | yangvnc | There seems to be no "lame" encoder for lenny? |
| 08:51.02 | Diluvium | orveldv_, I want all packages installed seperate to the base system |
| 08:51.07 | yangvnc | to use with the "ripit" tool |
| 08:51.07 | Diluvium | same as pkg_delete -a on freebsd |
| 08:51.19 | o2T7 | On some machines i get "c" and "e" chars when typing "C" and "E" ones (on text terminals). Is it a locales problems, or some type of bug? |
| 08:51.41 | gamla_kossan | TJNII: lrn2reed :> |
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| 08:52.05 | orveldv_ | Diluvium: that's a BSD concept (core system) |
| 08:52.07 | rvsjoen | isnt the base system also a package ? |
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| 08:52.18 | Diluvium | orveldv_, so debian cant do such a thing? |
| 08:53.12 | slackthumbz | Gm4n: pastebin |
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| 08:53.15 | o2T7 | Diluvium: It makes no sense on debian |
| 08:53.38 | Diluvium | o2T7, so I want to get back down to the base system as to re install some stuff by hand that apt-get did incorrectly |
| 08:53.48 | Diluvium | and I dont want to remove all the x11 crap by hand |
| 08:53.50 | gamla_kossan | Diluvium: however, you do have dists like gentoo and linuxfromscratch |
| 08:53.51 | Diluvium | how do I go about it |
| 08:54.06 | Diluvium | gamla_kossan, its got to be able to use .deb or .rpm files |
| 08:54.08 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: `you reinstall from scratch |
| 08:54.16 | Diluvium | Guerin_, just like windows.. |
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| 08:54.27 | erpo | How good is teredo support? |
| 08:54.30 | orveldv_ | Diluvium: use aptitude, it keeps track quite well of all the dependencies and remove them aswell |
| 08:54.34 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: or you remove all backages not in base |
| 08:55.00 | o2T7 | Why do "c" and "e" characters appear as lowercase when typing capitals?? |
| 08:55.29 | o2T7 | orveldv_: He _did_ use apt, so aptitude won't do it better |
| 08:55.30 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: man aptitude; get a list of all `required' and `essential' packages, and remove everything you have other than those |
| 08:55.40 | Diluvium | Guerin_, ok dokey can i get rid of exim there |
| 08:55.48 | orveldv_ | o2T7: true. |
| 08:56.07 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: you can get rid of exim anywhere, as long as you install another MTA |
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| 08:56.21 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: the reason it doesn't make sense to you as a bsd user is because there's no artificial distinction between sets and packages - it's all packages in debian. |
| 08:56.25 | Diluvium | Guerin_, ill leave it without one, there is just no point on a headless print server |
| 08:56.29 | o2T7 | Diluvium: You get rid of exim4 with `apt-get --purge remove exim4` |
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| 08:56.48 | Guerin_ | Diluvium: install nullmailer. You still need a MTA for some things. |
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| 08:57.11 | Guerin_ | (nullmailer is the MTA you want when you don't want a MTA) |
| 08:57.15 | Diluvium | Guerin_, good heads up |
| 08:57.16 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 08:57.19 | macoute_ | would someone from here know of a software/web site which could check which extensions (flash/java/activex/etc) a website needs/uses? |
| 08:57.37 | Diluvium | do gentoo / linuxfromscratch use rpms or debs? |
| 08:57.53 | orveldv_ | Diluvium: none |
| 08:57.56 | et | laughs |
| 08:57.59 | Diluvium | I have an unusual printer that demands linux support but apparently it has to be debian (.deb) or rpm based |
| 08:58.00 | o2T7 | heh |
| 08:58.13 | Guerin | Diluvium: no. gentoo uses its own system which builds everything from source; with lfs you get to shooce from any packaging system you like. |
| 08:58.33 | Guerin | brother? |
| 08:58.35 | Diluvium | Guerin, so I could tell it I want to install lets say, with debians .deb system |
| 08:58.38 | OpenTokix | Gentoo is much like putting a sticker on your ford and it makes it go faster |
| 08:58.38 | Diluvium | Guerin, canon |
| 08:59.02 | Guerin | Diluvium: you could. But it'd take you bloody ages to get to that point. Easier to just install a basic debian system and ignore it. |
| 08:59.17 | yangvnc | any idea whcih tool to use to rip CDs into wav files (lame doesn't seem to be in lenny) |
| 08:59.30 | et | lame is for wav -> mp3 |
| 08:59.32 | Diluvium | Guerin, how do I configure packages to not depend on X11 can I echo "WITHOUT_X11" > /etc/make.conf |
| 08:59.39 | Diluvium | for some reason cups wants x11? |
| 08:59.43 | Guerin | yangvnc: lame doesn't rip cds, or have anything to do with wave files. use cdparanoia or its frontend abcde |
| 08:59.50 | yangvnc | ok |
| 08:59.52 | et | cdparanoia is for recording cd -> wav |
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| 09:00.05 | gamla_kossan | hehe, cdparanoia.. good name :> |
| 09:00.22 | Guerin | Diluvium: no. What is calling for X? If it's ps or pdf stuff it's probably just X shared libs, not the system itself. |
| 09:00.24 | OpenTokix | yangvnc: ripit |
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| 09:01.09 | Diluvium | Guerin, installing cups cave me 150 installed packages |
| 09:01.14 | Diluvium | including samba and other useless crap |
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| 09:01.31 | o2T7 | Why does "E" and "C" characters appear as lowercase on text terminal? |
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| 09:01.52 | Diluvium | Guerin, sorry correction 247 packages |
| 09:01.59 | Guerin | Diluvium: ah, you probably want to leave recommended packages behind |
| 09:02.16 | Guerin | man aptitude will tell you how |
| 09:02.36 | Diluvium | OK DOKEY |
| 09:02.39 | Diluvium | caps lock sorry |
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| 09:03.06 | Guerin | brb, rebooting to test mah auto-fuse mount |
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| 09:06.19 | Guerin | grr |
| 09:06.24 | Guerin | no workies |
| 09:06.46 | gamla_kossan | :/ |
| 09:06.57 | et | don't worky |
| 09:06.59 | et | be happy |
| 09:07.11 | gamla_kossan | maybe you could do a "fulhack"; rc.local is your friend? :> |
| 09:07.52 | slackthumbz | et: ironically enough the guy who wrote that song committed suicide. |
| 09:08.21 | gamla_kossan | :DDD |
| 09:08.30 | gamla_kossan | slackthumbz: source! |
| 09:08.49 | orveldv_ | good, no more bad songs |
| 09:09.12 | slackthumbz | well.. it was a popular urban legend |
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| 09:09.26 | slackthumbz | I think it's false, but in the name of irony I like to think it could be true |
| 09:09.28 | et | slackthumbz: it's greatness comes from the scene in life of brian, not from the song itself ;) |
| 09:09.40 | et | and suicide fits that scene well |
| 09:09.47 | slackthumbz | Always look on the bright side of life? |
| 09:10.08 | slackthumbz | http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/mcferrin.asp <-- damn, it's false |
| 09:10.08 | Guerin | dmesg |
| 09:10.29 | Guerin | <sigh> |
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| 09:13.44 | Diluvium | hmm with aptitude if im tryingh to remove a few packages at once |
| 09:13.51 | Diluvium | it doesnt seem to like the fact that my mask matchs more than 40 |
| 09:13.57 | Diluvium | how do I force it to continue anyway |
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| 09:14.06 | slackthumbz | -f |
| 09:14.08 | slackthumbz | ? |
| 09:14.23 | Diluvium | cool |
| 09:14.28 | DelTree | hi... I remember there was some problem with upgrading the grub package, like having to manually copy stage files... do you see what I refer to ? does it still happen ? |
| 09:14.43 | Diluvium | slackthumbz, that does not work |
| 09:14.56 | slackthumbz | hence the ? |
| 09:15.21 | Diluvium | anyone else have any ideas |
| 09:15.48 | slackthumbz | from man apt-get |
| 09:15.54 | casi | Hello, I try to recognize the SATA controller of motherboard (ASUS P5GC-MX), then install the proper drivers, but I do not want to change kernel (debian 2.18) you know a solution? |
| 09:15.58 | slackthumbz | --force-yes |
| 09:16.18 | Diluvium | slackthumbz, aptitude doesnt seem to accept that |
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| 09:20.37 | slackthumbz | Diluvium: looking at the man page for aptitude, there doesn't appear to be a 'force' option perhaps you should try using apt-get --force-yes remove <mask> |
| 09:20.59 | slackthumbz | I do'nt know if that will work |
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| 09:21.09 | Diluvium | slackthumbz, dpkg --clear-selections; dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:21.11 | Diluvium | worked in the end |
| 09:21.16 | slackthumbz | ah nice |
| 09:21.16 | Diluvium | it didnt work i tried it earlier btw ;p |
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| 09:21.33 | TJNII | Holy gods, it rebooted. I successfully converted my debian server from one IDE disk to a SATA Raid! |
| 09:21.36 | slackthumbz | I usually just install a base system to begin with and then add apps after that |
| 09:21.37 | TJNII | does a happy dance |
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| 09:22.38 | erpo | brb |
| 09:22.54 | Clown | can i create a debian apt mirror using the offical dvds? |
| 09:22.57 | Guerin | Diluvium: i never use aptitude in interactive mode |
| 09:23.22 | Clown | copy the .debs to my hdd and update them to the latest |
| 09:23.32 | Clown | this way i can save some bandwidth i hope |
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| 09:28.01 | Diluvium | wow that worked kinda funky |
| 09:28.05 | Diluvium | I even managed to install dpkg |
| 09:28.07 | Diluvium | from within dpkg |
| 09:28.34 | Diluvium | and ls, and dmesg and mount... |
| 09:28.35 | Diluvium | haha oops |
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| 09:29.10 | vadmeste | Hi for all |
| 09:29.15 | vadmeste | I have a question |
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| 09:29.33 | vadmeste | Can I force packets to pass by a special router in my country ? |
| 09:29.43 | vadmeste | It's not a LAN, it's a PPP connection |
| 09:29.51 | Guerin | success! |
| 09:29.58 | gamla_kossan | hooray |
| 09:30.00 | gamla_kossan | ^_^ |
| 09:30.15 | Guerin | the good old standby of putting `mount -a' into bootmisc (although it's a mystery why it doesn't just mount everything without noauto anyhow) |
| 09:30.21 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | \o/ is, like, w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 09:30.23 | Diluvium | Guerin, I tried a little perl hackery by dumping installed packages down to a local file and getting perl to read it and dpkg --force-all -r them one by one |
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| 09:30.34 | Guerin | Diluvium: that's the smart money |
| 09:30.39 | vadmeste | Anyone can help me ? |
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| 09:30.46 | Diluvium | Guerin, yeah until it deinstall dpkg, ls, mount :) |
| 09:31.08 | Guerin | hah |
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| 09:31.57 | Diluvium | Guerin, still its a clean system now, really clean! |
| 09:31.59 | wols | vadmeste: not unless this special router runs a proxy too which is unlikely |
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| 09:33.22 | vadmeste | I thought this command should do it : |
| 09:33.33 | vadmeste | > ping ip_router1 www.facebook.com |
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| 09:33.51 | wols | no. but look at "hop" perhaps |
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| 09:33.52 | wols | man ping |
| 09:34.33 | vadmeste | wols, I looked at the man, but there are no description about this subject |
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| 09:34.56 | vadmeste | wols, I think it's a thing that's called Loose Source Routing |
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| 09:35.10 | ddalton | why, on my laptop does the nfs server work at boot-up and on the desktop server it doesn't? when I try to connect I get mount.nfs: access denied by server or something, but it works fine on the laptop when the desktop is the client and the laptop is the server... I think I did the same setup, but a restart of /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server fixes this. How can I fix it though so it works at boot-up? |
| 09:35.20 | ddalton | both machines running debian of course |
| 09:35.47 | baer1 | hi. i have trouble setting up an apache2 on a debian platform, the server shows me all (static) html-pages as source code. the concerning package has version 2.2.3-4+etch4. |
| 09:35.59 | wols | ddalton: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*nfs* to check if nfs server is actually started |
| 09:36.19 | macoute_ | baer1: problems with mime-types maybe? |
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| 09:36.37 | wols | baer1: purge all of apache packages and reinstall. your apache2 confing is fubar |
| 09:37.00 | ddalton | wols: er... Ill have to reboot then... |
| 09:37.03 | macoute_ | might be aseiest |
| 09:37.04 | baer1 | macoute_, already checked. |
| 09:37.09 | baer1 | wols, already did that. |
| 09:37.11 | macoute_ | easiest :) |
| 09:37.21 | macoute_ | baer1: then how about permissions on those files? |
| 09:37.33 | baer1 | macoute_, checked, looks fine. |
| 09:37.35 | macoute_ | who owns them? www-data? |
| 09:37.36 | Clown | er |
| 09:37.39 | Clown | have a ssh problems |
| 09:37.51 | Clown | i have generated the keys in my server |
| 09:38.06 | Clown | how can i allow ppl to connect using them without password authentication? |
| 09:38.15 | baer1 | macoute_, root owns them now. |
| 09:38.20 | foutrelis | baer1, the default mime type is text/plain. Do your html files contain correct Content-Type meta tags? .-. |
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| 09:38.34 | baer1 | foutrelis, they do. |
| 09:38.36 | macoute_ | Clown: google is full of howtos. try passwordless login ssh linux |
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| 09:38.56 | foutrelis | baer1, do you have a link to a problematic page? .-. |
| 09:39.12 | macoute_ | baer1: you are using the default directories, right? (/var/www) |
| 09:39.22 | macoute_ | and right after install you have these problems? |
| 09:39.51 | wols | baer1: you probably didn't purge config files |
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| 09:40.05 | baer1 | macoute_, right, using /var/www for my html-docs. the problem occurs right after apt-get'ing the stuff. |
| 09:40.10 | baer1 | wols, i did. |
| 09:40.10 | ddalton | ok back, what was the command again? |
| 09:40.22 | assasukasse | im having some problems in rsyncing to an usb disk..after 10-15 mins the drive disconnects, and i have to unplug and replug again.. |
| 09:40.24 | macoute_ | sometimes --purge doesnt purge all the configs, thouhh |
| 09:40.24 | assasukasse | what could it be? |
| 09:40.32 | macoute_ | baer1: seems pretty weird |
| 09:40.37 | baer1 | macoute_, i know, double checked. |
| 09:40.38 | wols | assasukasse: usb disk goes to sleep |
| 09:40.45 | macoute_ | you were using apache? |
| 09:40.54 | ddalton | wols: ? |
| 09:41.02 | assasukasse | wols: no i didn't put him sleep and hdparm disabled as well |
| 09:41.08 | wols | ddalton: ls -l /etc/rc.d/*nfs* |
| 09:41.11 | baer1 | no, it's a fresh installation on a vmware-"server". |
| 09:41.15 | assasukasse | should i use a different mount than automount? |
| 09:41.19 | wols | !vmware |
| 09:41.19 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 09:41.41 | wols | puts vadmeste on ignore for PM |
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| 09:42.28 | macoute_ | wols: iirc you were the one who said me that "im trying to help the users here and not praising the gpl spirit?" when we had an argue 'bout flash? |
| 09:42.35 | vadmeste | ok, I'll look for another solution.. |
| 09:42.46 | wols | macoute_: no |
| 09:42.54 | macoute_ | wols: ok. sorry, it was someone else |
| 09:43.02 | foutrelis | baer1, can you check if /etc/apache2/apache2.conf contains TypesConfig /etc/mime.types and whether the extensions for text/html are correct (`grep text/html /etc/mime.types`)? |
| 09:43.05 | vadmeste | Anyone here does know a free ssh server that provide ssh tunneling ? |
| 09:43.19 | wols | vadmeste: please stay on topic with debian |
| 09:43.48 | vadmeste | wols, ok |
| 09:43.50 | assasukasse | wols: btw, rsync -Pav /root1 /mnt/usbdisk is this a correct command, and does it "resume" the operation in case of error? |
| 09:43.56 | macoute_ | doesnt openssh-server support ssh tunneling`? |
| 09:44.02 | baer1 | foutrelis, done. "text/html .html" is in it. |
| 09:44.03 | assasukasse | vadmeste: openssh does |
| 09:44.25 | Guerin | i think he must be asking about a service provider |
| 09:44.34 | Guerin | otherwise it's a monumentally stupid question |
| 09:44.41 | macoute_ | ah, ok. so must it be |
| 09:44.45 | foutrelis | baer1, my /etc/mime.types contains: text/htmlhtml htm shtml .-. |
| 09:44.54 | vadmeste | yes |
| 09:44.59 | wols | Guerin: it's always stupid. would you allow anyone free ssh tunnels on your box? |
| 09:45.02 | vadmeste | i am looking for a service provider |
| 09:45.46 | ddalton | /etc/rc.d doesn't even exist... |
| 09:45.54 | foutrelis | baer1, I find it weird that your /etc/mime.types has a dot prepended to the extension :\ |
| 09:46.20 | vadmeste | ddalton, it's /etc/rcX.d |
| 09:46.26 | wols | ddalton: rc2.d sorry |
| 09:46.29 | vadmeste | ddalton, which X represent a number |
| 09:46.35 | baer1 | foutrelis, changing it. |
| 09:46.44 | Guerin | wols: point |
| 09:47.50 | baer1 | foutrelis, did not change anything with my problem |
| 09:48.04 | foutrelis | baer1, you restarted apache, right? |
| 09:48.12 | baer1 | yes. |
| 09:48.20 | ddalton | where can I paste 3 lines? |
| 09:48.40 | pngwn | !paster |
| 09:48.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:49.10 | ddalton | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2008-06-24 18:31 /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-06-24 18:31 /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-kernel-server -> ../init.d/nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:49.16 | foutrelis | baer1, undo any changes to /etc/mime.types and wait if someone else has a suggestion |
| 09:49.38 | ddalton | is that ok? |
| 09:50.00 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. |
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| 09:50.21 | ghatak | Hi, I am trying to figure out why a box is slower i-e when I am doing things like uptime, ps etc. sometimes it takes a second to return the results. The cpu usage is fine in the box, 80%idle most of the time. I think it is something else, can any one suggest me something, where should i start looking.... ? |
| 09:50.26 | wols | ddalton: should start fine then |
| 09:50.30 | MacGyverNL | I've edited my hosts file to have 192.168.40.1 cifsserver |
| 09:50.31 | foutrelis | baer1, feel free to provide a link to a page that's not working |
| 09:50.40 | wols | ddalton: you could make nfs start later perhaps |
| 09:50.43 | ddalton | http://wiki.debian.org/SecuringNFS is a guide I followed also for static ports |
| 09:51.21 | MacGyverNL | When I try to mount cifs using mount -t cifs //cifsserver/DataLocal /mnt/datalocal -o username=user,password=pass, I get error 5 (Input output error) |
| 09:51.38 | MacGyverNL | However, when I mount using the exact same line, but substitute cifsserver for the IP, it works. |
| 09:51.57 | MacGyverNL | Thoughts? |
| 09:52.19 | ddalton | wols: sorry, I'm blind so its a little harder too keep up, but ok... |
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| 09:52.42 | wols | ddalton: I know |
| 09:52.52 | wols | ddalton: how's it going with linux/debian? |
| 09:53.26 | ddalton | the error is mount.nfs: error while mount <path_to_nfs_share> access denied by server |
| 09:54.28 | ddalton | wols: ah, yeah, its great... I gave up on the gui, use it a little for ff but mostly the cli... got rid of speakup as well so im sticking with braille... a lot better than that ms crap... |
| 09:54.34 | enouf | is it possible ddalton you need then to set some options in the /etc/default/nfs-common and/or /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server files? |
| 09:54.48 | wols | maybe you ewren't waiting until it all finished booting? or: check syslog and such for error messages (on the server) |
| 09:54.55 | ddalton | and yeah, very accessible, quick to respond good tools available eg. apt and the best part is all the support available... :-) |
| 09:55.44 | ddalton | let me grep... |
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| 09:57.46 | ddalton | I dunno, the same configuration works on the laptop when that acts as a server... |
| 09:58.22 | enouf | ddalton: well, glad to hear you're settling in to using CLI and braille only etc - i just came across something called Adriane Knoppix that supposedly debuted sometime late last year - not sure how well it works, or if even at all ( http://knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix53-en.html ) as a reference for you to check out at a later time .. let's focus on your nfs-kernel-server for now |
| 09:58.37 | ddalton | But I don't understand how it fixes itself as soon as /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server is restarted, am I missing something in my start up script? |
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| 10:00.25 | enouf | ddalton: well , the comments in /etc/default/nfs-common mention that exact wiki article ;-) (as it pertains to rpc.statd(8) and ports, etc) |
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| 10:02.02 | ddalton | enouf: looks good, is it a live dvd or something with accessibility in mind? I think I heard about it sometime before... |
| 10:02.30 | ddalton | someone who was blind and new linux better than me told me to go and grab it as a rescue cd instead of using ubuntu and guessing the whole time... |
| 10:02.35 | enouf | ddalton: well mount is failing .. where is your nfs-share that it's trying to mount defined? is it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 10:02.37 | liable | how is the laptop accessing internet? wireless? taking a little longer to configure the iface? |
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| 10:03.04 | enouf | ddalton: yes, knoppix in general is a livecd, so, keep that in mind |
| 10:03.11 | MacGyverNL | Anyone? |
| 10:03.46 | enouf | ddalton: or nowadays, a live DVD as you mentioned |
| 10:03.49 | vadmeste | liable, exactly as a desktop pc |
| 10:04.35 | ddalton | well... the laptop is just on ether net like the desktop and... the nfs shares on the server are defined in /etc/exports |
| 10:04.57 | enouf | ddalton: but for now, let's try to get your nfs issues worked out, are there any other hints about why it's failing in say dmesg, or other /var/log/* files? |
| 10:05.17 | ddalton | that is all there is too it basically... I have iptables running as well, but those ports open... and as I said when restarting the nfs server init script everything works. it doesn't even work when I kill my firewall... |
| 10:06.06 | ddalton | enouf: ok, I'll do some reading... |
| 10:06.11 | enouf | ddalton: well you also are getting an access denied by server message |
| 10:06.41 | enouf | ddalton: which kind of points to a permissions issue |
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| 10:10.57 | ddalton | enouf: hey, my log is fairly useless atm, my hw clock isn't set correctly, quick look at the man page says the command to set it, but I get this error: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out any ideas on how to fix it? works on my laptop |
| 10:11.25 | ddalton | the command was: sudo hwclock --systohc |
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| 10:12.21 | MrBrush | with which linux tool should I execute a .pl file script? |
| 10:12.32 | SlayerXP | MrBrush: perl |
| 10:12.40 | SlayerXP | and that was a very sweet question |
| 10:12.57 | enouf | ddalton: erm .. i was reading something about that - one second |
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| 10:13.42 | MrBrush | 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/awstats/tools/awstats_updateall.pl now |
| 10:13.48 | MrBrush | is that a proper syntax? |
| 10:13.50 | MrBrush | for in crontab |
| 10:14.18 | macoute_ | you want to run that at midnight, right? |
| 10:14.29 | MrBrush | yep |
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| 10:14.33 | ddalton | enouf: may we chat in pm? Im getting pissed off with freezing and unfreezing my braille display... :-) |
| 10:14.47 | MrBrush | macoute_: is it ok then? |
| 10:14.55 | macoute_ | MrBrush: it seems so |
| 10:15.00 | MrBrush | oki thanks |
| 10:15.08 | enouf | ddalton: sure, but there are many helpful and knowledgeable people here who might help too |
| 10:15.25 | macoute_ | MrBrush: im not sure if you need some hyphens (") somewhere as you have 2 commands there? |
| 10:15.53 | macoute_ | actually i doubt that you even need that /usr/bin/perl there? |
| 10:15.55 | ddalton | see, you lucky bastards can read your fucking screens |
| 10:16.35 | wols | ddalton: you too. one line at a time :) |
| 10:16.38 | ddalton | oh ok, I'll stay here then... but if it gets busier it may be quite difficult |
| 10:17.02 | macoute_ | braille and a busy channel could be kinda hard :S |
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| 10:17.08 | wols | ddalton: ignore joins and parts |
| 10:17.09 | ddalton | wols: no, about 1/3 of a line. |
| 10:17.20 | wols | ddalton: that's really small :( |
| 10:17.25 | ddalton | slightly more, its 32 char |
| 10:17.35 | wols | don't they make bigger ones? |
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| 10:17.51 | barnbarn | does anyone know if it's possible to make dpkg not run prerm scripts installs? |
| 10:17.55 | ddalton | yeah they do, how much you reckon this 32 is worth? |
| 10:18.04 | macoute_ | 1000$? |
| 10:18.12 | wols | ddalton: no clue. I have really bad eyes but I'm not blind |
| 10:18.23 | enouf | ddalton: for now - try "sudo hwclock --systohw --directisa" |
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| 10:18.57 | ddalton | lol, well... 32 is about $7000 and 40 is about $8500 and then I think your looking at an 80 char one for the price of a small car. |
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| 10:19.08 | wols | eeeek! |
| 10:19.11 | ddalton | these bastards aren't cheap. |
| 10:19.23 | macoute_ | whoo! |
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| 10:19.45 | ddalton | and what, you can get screens on ebay with 25 lines or whatever, 80 char collour, and all the other shit for under $100... |
| 10:19.46 | macoute_ | ddalton: in finland at least the state pays a great deal of those devices |
| 10:19.53 | ddalton | colour |
| 10:20.06 | trumpen | I am going to buy a pci dvb-t card (asus p7131) which is reported to work perfectly in Debian Lenny. How can I know if it works as well with Etch? And if not, how much does the stability is compromised if I compile v4l-dvb modules by myself? |
| 10:20.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.49 | macoute_ | Agiofws: 62.1.42.155 |
| 10:20.50 | ddalton | so yeah, pisses me off a bit, but anyway... ill stop bitching |
| 10:21.06 | ddalton | enouf: anyway... any ideas on my issues? |
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| 10:21.25 | CuBe0wL | hi all |
| 10:21.37 | Agiofws | macoute_, how do i see what url it points to ? |
| 10:22.00 | macoute_ | Agiofws: it doesnt point to a url (Bad hostname) |
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| 10:22.09 | macoute_ | but dig said that freemeteo should be that one |
| 10:22.19 | macoute_ | try putting it on hosts.deny? |
| 10:22.19 | CuBe0wL | does anybody use hibernation with newest kernels? it says it requires a swap partition, to work. Is it ok, to use the current one, or I need another one to suspend to? |
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| 10:22.43 | Agiofws | macoute_, 0.0.0.0 62.1.42.155 in /etc/hosts |
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| 10:23.07 | Agiofws | macoute_, those sites or ADS.... should me Banned |
| 10:23.13 | Agiofws | be banned from the net |
| 10:23.20 | macoute_ | thats true |
| 10:23.25 | ddalton | enouf: look up at the pm. |
| 10:23.26 | macoute_ | Agiofws: so you got it working? |
| 10:23.31 | Agiofws | wait |
| 10:23.45 | wols | CuBe0wL: the current swap is OK and must be in size at least as big as the amount of RAM you have |
| 10:24.04 | CuBe0wL | wols, thx |
| 10:24.57 | CuBe0wL | wols, do I need to configure anything other? or just that resume=/dev/swap into my grub menu.lst? |
| 10:25.23 | wols | !uswsusp |
| 10:25.43 | wols | CuBe0wL: there are howtos out there afaik |
| 10:26.15 | Agiofws | macoute_, NO its still show up |
| 10:26.19 | CuBe0wL | ok, I'll search more (tho I've find a lot depracated ones too) |
| 10:26.33 | macoute_ | Agiofws: how about ALL: freemeteo.com to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 10:26.33 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/21471 |
| 10:26.33 | Agiofws | wtf do they make sites like that |
| 10:26.42 | macoute_ | Agiofws: or block them with iptables? |
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| 10:27.14 | Agiofws | macoute_, i just want to block the ADD not the underneath |
| 10:28.30 | foutrelis | offers Agiofws a mpiskoto :) |
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| 10:29.54 | enouf | smacks foutrelis with a few falafels |
| 10:30.29 | foutrelis | :3 |
| 10:32.20 | foutrelis | Agiofws, install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 |
| 10:32.37 | foutrelis | Agiofws, and then add "siokou02e.swf" to the block list -.- |
| 10:32.37 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 10:32.44 | foutrelis | :) |
| 10:34.01 | Agiofws | foutrelis, i don;t block with firefox |
| 10:34.24 | hark | aww, that's so sweet |
| 10:34.30 | hark | Agiofws: why not? |
| 10:34.31 | foutrelis | Agiofws, enjoy your fail-ads then |
| 10:35.13 | Agiofws | i prefer i prefer /etc/hosts file much simpler and straight forward |
| 10:35.51 | foutrelis | yeah, much simpler than clicking "Add to Firefox" |
| 10:35.57 | Agiofws | yeah |
| 10:35.58 | foutrelis | -.- |
| 10:36.01 | Agiofws | it is |
| 10:36.18 | Agiofws | edit hosts just put a 0.0.0.0 unfront of the url and you are set |
| 10:36.20 | Agiofws | malachi_constant Agiofws: It's media.fastclick.net. You'll have to ping it to find out the IP. |
| 10:36.20 | Agiofws | malachi_constant Agiofws: googlesyndication.com also appears to have ads there. |
| 10:36.20 | Agiofws | malachi_constant I only know because of noscript. |
| 10:36.26 | Shadur | Agiofws: Except for when that doesn't work. |
| 10:36.37 | Agiofws | so lets see if it does or not |
| 10:39.21 | foutrelis | Agiofws, since that annoying flash animation is on the same domain, you can't block it with your method |
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| 10:39.30 | foutrelis | Agiofws, just install adblock plus -.- |
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| 10:39.42 | Agiofws | foutrelis, maybe you're right |
| 10:39.45 | Agiofws | It could be doing it from another host via javascript. |
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| 10:39.45 | foutrelis | you'll love it :) |
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| 10:40.08 | Agiofws | no i'll just block the whole domain |
| 10:40.13 | Agiofws | :) |
| 10:40.20 | Agiofws | should be banned from the net |
| 10:40.23 | foutrelis | How will you access the site then? :P |
| 10:40.42 | Agiofws | i'll drop it :) |
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| 10:42.37 | foutrelis | Adobe is a bit at fault here too; I think this issue with flash on linux is known .-. |
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| 10:44.52 | enouf | Agiofws: ~$ apt-cache show bfilter |
| 10:45.16 | Agiofws | packages found |
| 10:45.21 | moshii | Is it possbile to have multiple emulated nics in qemu/kvm>? |
| 10:45.48 | petemc | you can have up to 3 nics in xen |
| 10:45.57 | petemc | not entirely relevant to your question.. |
| 10:46.55 | moshii | petemc: it seems with qemu you can spec out one interface in a bunch of different modes and what hardware it emulates, but you can't define more than one |
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| 10:49.19 | jaggz- | damnit.. ktoon uses ./build.sh to compile AND install.. now I can't do a "checkinstall" to make a .deb on it |
| 10:49.29 | jaggz- | it is the debian source package though |
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| 10:54.14 | digitor | Debian: You can never be sure. |
| 10:54.23 | jaggz- | woohoo, I think it's working |
| 10:55.06 | jaggz- | using dpkg-buildpackage instead of ktoon's own ./build.sh |
| 10:55.18 | jaggz- | I wonder what that does.. welp, no time to learn! :) |
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| 10:57.34 | jaggz- | why does apt-cache search show different results from aptitude search? |
| 10:58.00 | jaggz- | ex: aptitude search docbook # <-- does not display docbook-to-man |
| 10:58.16 | themill | jaggz-: because it searches different things. See the man pages. |
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| 11:04.25 | dFence | heyyy... i have a binary .dat file here that contains some strings encoded in an unknown format/encoding... is there any way to find out the encoding? |
| 11:04.59 | SlayerXP | dFence: the "file" util might help you |
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| 11:05.43 | dFence | SlayerXP: thanks, haven't tried that one yet... |
| 11:08.03 | zophy[] | unrar from unrar-free won't decompress these rar files i have here, what else can i use ? |
| 11:08.09 | zophy[] | unrar -x says "ok", unrar -t doesn't show any files in the archive |
| 11:08.13 | zophy[] | the file sizes are 52 MB |
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| 11:09.09 | jaggz- | themill good idea thanks |
| 11:10.24 | Trewas | zophy[]: unrar-free is completely useless as it doesn't support the format rar 3.0 and newer uses... there is non-free version of (un)rar |
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| 11:12.26 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 11:13.03 | Trewas | heh, rar 3.0 was released in 2002 (at least in debian)... no wonder rar's packed with rar 2.x are quite rare nowadays |
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| 11:13.14 | superlinux | any one here good in Squid proxy? |
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| 11:13.42 | jaggz- | themill .. hm |
| 11:14.38 | superlinux | how can i force squid to read the internet from some interface? which option? i cant tell from the manual |
| 11:15.22 | Bushmills | superlinux: routing table |
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| 11:16.17 | superlinux | there is an option i thing TCP_blah_blah |
| 11:17.51 | Bushmills | tcp_outgoing_address |
| 11:17.52 | mquin | superlinux: you need to set tcp_outgoing_address |
| 11:17.57 | mquin | Bushmills: snap! |
| 11:18.08 | mquin | see /usr/share/doc/squid/examples/squid.conf |
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| 11:20.01 | Sertse | hi |
| 11:21.05 | superlinux | mquin yes thanks |
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| 11:23.27 | superlinux | mquin cos what i want to do is two interface cards belonging to the same subnet, and make the users ask the proxy on one, and the other is where squid will be reading the Internet to respond to the request |
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| 11:24.33 | superlinux | ok bye |
| 11:24.57 | superlinux | thanks very much |
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| 11:26.47 | zophy[] | Trewas, bah, it seems these files need a password also |
| 11:27.21 | zophy[] | yes, i have the password |
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| 11:32.13 | Sertse | well, debian forums. that was an interesting experience. |
| 11:32.15 | alcohol | Uhm. I made a huge oopsie. |
| 11:32.21 | alcohol | and I think /bin is kinda empty now |
| 11:32.23 | alcohol | ): |
| 11:32.26 | Sertse | everything said about it was true. heh |
| 11:32.29 | alcohol | how can I reinstall core tools such as ls, rm, etc? |
| 11:32.35 | gamla_kossan | oh dear |
| 11:32.36 | Eckrall | ohh dear |
| 11:32.38 | macoute_ | you shouldnt :S |
| 11:32.39 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 11:32.39 | Eckrall | backups? |
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| 11:33.03 | alcohol | ): |
| 11:33.08 | alcohol | I can't? |
| 11:33.19 | macoute_ | well you can use cp... right, you cant :) |
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| 11:33.47 | kringalf | alcohol, if you are lucky you can scp /bin from another debian machine to your machine |
| 11:33.54 | Eckrall | reboot into rescue media, copy from working system or restore backup? |
| 11:33.56 | macoute_ | well if you have them somewhere and you are sure that /bin is the only dir affected, you can rsync them somewhere back |
| 11:34.02 | moshii | alcohol: if it still works, use dpkg to reinstall everything.. but if you messed up bin what else got munged |
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| 11:34.18 | alcohol | oh |
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| 11:34.26 | macoute_ | but no, there is NO undelete :) |
| 11:34.34 | alcohol | how do I use dpkg ? |
| 11:34.37 | moshii | macoute_: that depends on the fs in use |
| 11:34.46 | alcohol | as in, what do I need to re-install ? |
| 11:34.48 | macoute_ | moshii: true. i supposed ext3 |
| 11:34.54 | alcohol | cause it doesn't know package ls. |
| 11:34.59 | Eckrall | read an article on restoreing deleted data from ext2/3 |
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| 11:35.44 | macoute_ | Eckrall: well, maybe IBAS can do it, but its far beyond a howtos scope :) |
| 11:36.04 | alcohol | I can't see what else is affected |
| 11:36.07 | alcohol | I can't ls anymore :x |
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| 11:36.14 | kringalf | alcohol, ls and such is in coreutils |
| 11:36.22 | alcohol | but I imagine any folders before /bin in the alphabet are gone too |
| 11:36.23 | macoute_ | alcohol: do you have somewhere another linux-machine? |
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| 11:36.50 | kringalf | alcohol, but i'd suggest trying to scp /bin from another debian machine first |
| 11:36.59 | moshii | kringalf: ls is a bash built-in I thought.. |
| 11:37.01 | macoute_ | i can give you my /bin of course, but if i was you, i wouldnt take it :) |
| 11:37.18 | kringalf | moshii, true, but apt-file search bin/ls tells me that bin/ls is in coreutils |
| 11:37.40 | Eckrall | very complicated but possible http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 11:37.48 | petemc | ls isnt built in |
| 11:38.02 | petemc | "help" will list all builtins |
| 11:38.04 | moshii | petemc: was just a thought ;) |
| 11:38.21 | alcohol | fail, I can't ssh back in |
| 11:38.22 | alcohol | :< |
| 11:38.30 | macoute_ | Eckrall: whoo, new information for me. |
| 11:38.31 | alcohol | oh man. someone's going to kill me. |
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| 11:38.44 | macoute_ | i searched for that before march, though |
| 11:38.48 | kringalf | alcohol, can you start the scp origin from the machine with no /bin? |
| 11:38.51 | kringalf | or the other way round |
| 11:38.54 | kringalf | try both ways |
| 11:39.11 | Eckrall | macoute_: have fun ;) |
| 11:39.18 | macoute_ | Eckrall: maybe i wont :) |
| 11:39.21 | alcohol | I can't get on the machine, and it's the machine that basically lets me connect to all other machines at the remote park. |
| 11:39.23 | Eckrall | just dont go trying it on your home folder |
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| 11:39.32 | macoute_ | alcohol: say that machine was not an important product server? :) |
| 11:39.53 | alcohol | it wasn't. web and db's are still up and fine |
| 11:39.54 | alcohol | x: |
| 11:40.14 | moshii | alcohol: you should have a busybox you can use.. |
| 11:40.34 | alcohol | I can't connect directly to any other machines from here. |
| 11:40.55 | alcohol | it's like the ssh portal. |
| 11:40.57 | moshii | oh, busybox is in /bin.. heh |
| 11:41.00 | alcohol | and it's dead :< |
| 11:41.53 | moshii | alcohol: you're going to have to boot from some other media, put enough of the files back to get it running again and then do a few package reinstalls to tidy it up |
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| 11:42.52 | alcohol | yea, uh, the server is like an hours drive away from here though |
| 11:42.52 | alcohol | :< |
| 11:43.07 | macoute_ | you really need a local access |
| 11:43.22 | moshii | alcohol: you don't have an eric card or a management controller? ;) |
| 11:43.41 | alcohol | que? |
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| 11:44.48 | moshii | alcohol: well, what makes a server a server and not just a pc with a fancy name is stuff like a management controller so you don't have to drive over to the server to fix it |
| 11:45.08 | moshii | alcohol: or you setup a rescue enviroment within your network |
| 11:45.30 | alcohol | yea |
| 11:45.35 | alcohol | I'm trying other machines |
| 11:45.35 | Eckrall | Dell DRAC or HP ILO |
| 11:45.45 | Eckrall | just in case you have one and dont know ;) |
| 11:45.45 | alcohol | but can't find one that will let met connect |
| 11:45.55 | Eckrall | whats the hardware? |
| 11:46.09 | alcohol | crap, mostly |
| 11:46.10 | alcohol | :> |
| 11:46.15 | alcohol | except for the db |
| 11:46.44 | alcohol | the machine I broke was pretty much only a ssh portal, crontab center and log dump |
| 11:46.55 | alcohol | but.. it was the only machine allowing ssh connections from outside |
| 11:46.56 | alcohol | :< |
| 11:47.03 | moshii | maybe there would be enough stuff in your initrd to fix it.. |
| 11:47.20 | abrotman | busybox ? |
| 11:47.21 | moshii | there again you'd need some utils from /bin to get the files out |
| 11:47.31 | moshii | alcohol: busybox lives in /bin |
| 11:47.31 | alcohol | I don't think the loadbalancer allows outside ssh connections |
| 11:47.39 | alcohol | busybox? |
| 11:47.44 | abrotman | hrm .. i guess it does |
| 11:47.49 | abrotman | !info busybox etch |
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| 11:48.26 | dpkg | busybox: (Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.3-4 (etch), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | but he might be able to put it on a floppy and put it there .. then use it for certain activities |
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| 11:49.15 | Ertyle | i'm on a K7 processor on Lenny, currently running 2.6.18... i'd like to switch to 2.6.24 but i see there is no K7 package for it. which should i install? the web wasn't clear to me, mostly talking about amd64... but my processor is not 64-bits |
| 11:49.17 | abrotman | he could use it to manually unpack dpkg .. then begin the nasty bits |
| 11:49.17 | moshii | abrotman: no physical access by the sound of it |
| 11:49.26 | moshii | Ertyle: the i686 package |
| 11:49.29 | abrotman | moshii: wing the floppy across the room |
| 11:49.31 | abrotman | !why no k7 |
| 11:49.34 | abrotman | grrr |
| 11:49.37 | abrotman | !k7 dropped |
| 11:49.37 | dpkg | well, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
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| 11:50.09 | abrotman | alcohol: okay so /bin/ is empty but /usr/bin/ is okay ? |
| 11:50.14 | alcohol | I have no idea |
| 11:50.18 | abrotman | echo * ? |
| 11:50.18 | alcohol | I can't get back in using ssh |
| 11:50.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 11:50.23 | alcohol | it keeps saying permission denied |
| 11:50.35 | TromBoeZoe | !paste |
| 11:50.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:50.38 | Eckrall | did you disconnect your running session? |
| 11:50.41 | abrotman | because your shells are gone |
| 11:50.42 | alcohol | or rather, Access denied |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | if you canned /bin/ |
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| 11:50.49 | alcohol | abrotman, probably. |
| 11:51.02 | alcohol | ssh is running but I simply can't login :< |
| 11:51.16 | abrotman | right .. because you have no shells left |
| 11:51.23 | Eckrall | /bin/login gone |
| 11:51.25 | macoute_ | login is there |
| 11:51.26 | moshii | alcohol: because there aren't any shells to spawn once you login |
| 11:51.26 | alcohol | no way to get around that I take it? |
| 11:51.55 | moshii | alcohol: well, you won't even be able to login locally now ;) |
| 11:51.57 | Eckrall | vi /etc/passwd and change shell to one that works ;) |
| 11:52.14 | alcohol | epic fail. |
| 11:52.15 | alcohol | ): |
| 11:52.21 | Eckrall | hehe |
| 11:52.22 | alcohol | I think I'll go cry in a corner now. |
| 11:52.27 | abrotman | Eckrall: all shells live in /bin/ |
| 11:52.29 | Eckrall | cry while driving |
| 11:52.29 | abrotman | AFAIK |
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| 11:52.39 | alcohol | Eckrall, don't have the key to the center. |
| 11:52.39 | macoute_ | Eckrall: :) |
| 11:52.46 | alcohol | Only my boss does. |
| 11:52.48 | Ertyle | thanks abrotman, i couldn't find that bug report myself... (although the comments there leave me some slight doubts still, but oh well) |
| 11:52.50 | alcohol | He doesn't know yet :< |
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| 11:52.59 | Eckrall | damn, might copy one out for safty now.... |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | alcohol: tell him he did it! |
| 11:53.05 | moshii | alcohol: you don't have a remote rebuild setup.. and backups? |
| 11:53.10 | alcohol | that won't work. :') |
| 11:53.15 | _moro_bana_ | which app can i use to convert a .daa file to something readable? |
| 11:53.21 | abrotman | Eckrall: be better to copy busybox probably .. just a shell with nothing else in /bin/ wouldn't help much |
| 11:53.28 | alcohol | moshii, nope. |
| 11:53.33 | Eckrall | good call... |
| 11:53.34 | moshii | _moro_bana_: what is a daa.. sound, image, fruit? |
| 11:53.53 | Eckrall | wonder if there if i can apt-get install anti-fuckup-kit |
| 11:54.04 | moshii | Eckrall: read-only root ;) |
| 11:54.16 | abrotman | Eckrall: and he can't get back in via ssh anyways |
| 11:54.25 | TromBoeZoe | hello, i punched in $ sudo netstat -plunt output and have got this reading :: http://rafb.net/p/IVJHDq26.html my question is since i have a laptop connected to a friends WLAN, and i do nothing really fancy in the .... does the readout show and security holes ? |
| 11:54.35 | _moro_bana_ | moshii: DAA = Direct Access Archive |
| 11:54.36 | Eckrall | abrotman: no, this is for me, in case i do something similer in future ;) |
| 11:54.54 | moshii | _moro_bana_: what created it? |
| 11:55.08 | TromBoeZoe | ^and = any |
| 11:55.15 | Eckrall | beer + root = disaster |
| 11:55.21 | _moro_bana_ | moshii: poweriso, its a download from the internet |
| 11:55.40 | themill | _moro_bana_: did you get debian installed in the end? |
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| 11:56.26 | moshii | _moro_bana_: oh, it's some nasty cd image format? there is an app that'll try to extract an iso from those sorts of formats, but they generally don't work |
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| 11:56.28 | _moro_bana_ | moshii: found it, http://www.sblinux.org/pages/daa.html |
| 11:57.12 | _moro_bana_ | themill: you know me, not yet. |
| 11:58.01 | Ertyle | unless i'm mistaken though, i keep getting security updates (on lenny) for my 2.6.18 k7 kernel. am i mistaken, and/or would keeping 2.6.18 (at least for a while still) be unreasonable? |
| 11:58.03 | alcohol | erf |
| 11:58.11 | themill | _moro_bana_: Well, if you're still running ubuntu, then please ask your questions in #ubuntu. We've got quite enough to do for debian users without supporting ubuntu users as well. |
| 11:58.12 | alcohol | can I blame my boss for giving everyone root access? :< |
| 11:58.15 | kienerii_ | when i boot my debian box i got the message "eth1: no ipv6 routers present". where can i disable ipv6? |
| 11:58.40 | themill | alcohol: /msg dpkg blame the boss |
| 11:58.45 | kienerii_ | and i also got a message like "AppleTalk: services..." i do not know exactly, but what is appletalk? do i need it? |
| 11:59.31 | _moro_bana_ | themill: but as soon as i finish making backups, im gonna install debian, ubuntu got a lot of problems, just a general linux question.im leaving |
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| 12:01.29 | moshii | gives up on kvm, switches to virtualbox |
| 12:01.58 | Bushmills | alcohol: http://forthfreak.net/misc/problem.jpg |
| 12:02.32 | alcohol | I'm a poor bastard |
| 12:02.33 | alcohol | ): |
| 12:02.48 | macoute_ | oh shit :P |
| 12:02.55 | macoute_ | the worst case scenario :) |
| 12:03.04 | alcohol | aye. |
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| 12:03.50 | moshii | alcohol: you only spin in the poor bastard state as long as you can't find someone to blame. so it's time to search for a scapegoat |
| 12:03.55 | kringalf | alcohol, but cheer up, it could be worse, i once had the same situation with a gentoo box. so i had to recompile everything in /bin which took quite some time :) |
| 12:04.07 | Bushmills | yes, stuck in infinite "who can be blamed" loop |
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| 12:04.17 | alcohol | I'd rather not blame someone else. |
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| 12:04.20 | kringalf | alcohol, so the server was stuck in the rescue system for quite some time, which was realy bad :) |
| 12:04.21 | moshii | nuked libc on a solaris8 box |
| 12:04.42 | alcohol | I hope it's only /bin |
| 12:04.46 | alcohol | Dear god I do. |
| 12:04.47 | alcohol | :< |
| 12:04.48 | moshii | that means that you're not just missing some stuff, nothing will run.. |
| 12:04.54 | macoute_ | hehe, id want to see alcohol blaming someone else "i deleted that /bin, but only because you didnt make proper backups" |
| 12:05.25 | rahsputin | hello, i punched in $ sudo netstat -plunt output and have got this reading :: http://rafb.net/p/IVJHDq26.html my question is since i have a laptop connected to a friends WLAN, and i do nothing really fancy in the .... does the readout show any security holes that can fixed ? |
| 12:05.26 | Bushmills | hehe, i once messed up iptables of an internet cafe 1000 km away .. and locked not just the customers out, but myself too. |
| 12:06.00 | moshii | I think everyone has an iptables fuck up story |
| 12:06.00 | macoute_ | Bushmills: ive done that too :) |
| 12:06.00 | avu | rahsputin, just have only the services running you really need and only have those listening at * instead of localhost that really need to be accessed from the outside |
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| 12:06.13 | avu | rahsputin, and remember to do your security upgrades |
| 12:06.21 | avu | rahsputin, and you will be reasonably secure |
| 12:06.32 | alcohol | Noven, I had to delete some cached content on a site that wouldn't go away through the web interface. but I did rm -rf /*/ |
| 12:06.34 | kringalf | or like: boss its your own fault, if you give everyone root access. sometime somethign like this had to be happening ;) |
| 12:06.37 | alcohol | no* |
| 12:07.12 | Bushmills | macoute_: important experiences, those. if one learns, then from those :) |
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| 12:07.34 | alcohol | well I'll admit I don't understand why we all use the root account, but that doesn't take away the fact that what I did was blatantly stupid :< |
| 12:07.37 | moshii | alcohol: I think you've screwed more that just /bin up |
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| 12:07.54 | Bushmills | kringalf: dangerous reasoning. boss might say "yes, you're right, i should give root access to one person less now" |
| 12:07.54 | alcohol | well I hit ctrl+c as fast as I could when it said "can't remove /cdrom |
| 12:07.56 | alcohol | " |
| 12:07.57 | macoute_ | Bushmills: yeah, thats maybe the best way to learn iptables, while driving to the site :) |
| 12:08.05 | themill | Bushmills: I usually have something like "sleep 300s && iptables -F" running in another terminal while I'm futzing with iptables on remote machines. That way any fuckups get cleared and I can just ^C that if I want to leave it as it is. |
| 12:08.12 | rahsputin | avu, those are the services that run when i boot up, log in and $ netstat -...... |
| 12:08.12 | kringalf | Bushmills, its a bad situation any way :) |
| 12:09.15 | alcohol | moshii, but you're probably right. I doubt /bin is the only victim here :< |
| 12:09.34 | alcohol | the ftp server on the machine is still running though. so not everything is dead yet. |
| 12:09.42 | NoxIn | if by chance it used alphabetique order ... /bin /boot /cdrom ....ctrl-c |
| 12:09.44 | alcohol | crontab is dead thoguh :< |
| 12:10.30 | moshii | alcohol: you can't ftp the files? |
| 12:10.35 | alcohol | no |
| 12:10.40 | alcohol | ftp doesn't go that deep. |
| 12:11.07 | Bushmills | alcohol: tried scp? |
| 12:11.17 | moshii | alcohol: now is the time to lookup if there is some exploit you can use in your favour |
| 12:11.31 | macoute_ | NoxIn: afaik it goes in alphabetic order |
| 12:11.32 | alcohol | Bushmills, remote machines. can't get on them, I wrecked the ssh portal. |
| 12:11.45 | macoute_ | rm in general, i mean (just like ls without parameters) |
| 12:11.57 | alcohol | I used -rf |
| 12:11.58 | alcohol | :< |
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| 12:12.20 | Bushmills | alcohol: i understood that you can't log in, probably because shell is missing. maybe an account, using scponly as shell (which resides in (/usr/bin) |
| 12:12.32 | macoute_ | but that just forces recursive delete, i doubt it affects the order |
| 12:12.46 | Bushmills | hm .. no. won't have enough privileges |
| 12:13.04 | alcohol | Bushmills, no, besides.. I don't think we have any accounts besides root.. |
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| 12:13.56 | kringalf | alcohol, is there any other service running on that machine that you might use to start a specific programm on the remote host? |
| 12:13.59 | avu | ravenbird, so? determine which of those you really need and which of the oney you need you only need locally and configure your system accodringly |
| 12:14.01 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, avu |
| 12:14.09 | avu | indeed I am |
| 12:14.22 | kringalf | if so try to get a working telnetd binary, wget it, execute it and then connect to the telnetd |
| 12:14.28 | kringalf | that might work if you are lucky |
| 12:14.33 | avu | since ther person I'm talking to is already gone :( |
| 12:14.36 | kringalf | i did that once using an eggdrop and the .tcl command |
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| 12:14.54 | alcohol | kringalf, no such luck I am afraid. |
| 12:15.45 | kringalf | alcohol, damn. poor guy |
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| 12:16.27 | NoxIn | alcohol: you may ftp on it a precomiled shell, a php script letting you have a shell in a web browser, and try tu run it from the web ... don't know if you would have a chance since you will and with a shell as www-data if it works |
| 12:17.03 | NoxIn | (or a perl script, or any cgi-bin you wan't ...) |
| 12:17.09 | alcohol | don't think so |
| 12:17.19 | alcohol | all web traffic gets redirected to the web servers. |
| 12:17.36 | alcohol | It would never reach the machine in question |
| 12:17.58 | NoxIn | you have only ftp reaching it ? |
| 12:18.03 | alcohol | yea |
| 12:18.06 | deckrider | Hi, I set up my laptop for encrypted disk during original installation, and things seem to work ok, but at each boot it tells me dm-0 has been left open |
| 12:18.14 | zophy[] | !swf |
| 12:18.15 | dpkg | methinks swf is a shockwave format file for web stuff - it's copyrighted and requires director or similar to create multimedia shockwave files .. alternatively you can create them with PHP's SWF functionality - see http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/flash/ for details on libswf, or for another swf output library, check out ming. |
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| 12:18.26 | NoxIn | well ... then ... :( |
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| 12:19.51 | NoxIn | alcohol: at least it could let you acess the others machines in the park but to repair this one ... someone will have to go do it locally ... |
| 12:19.58 | moshii | alcohol: edit your cron tab over and get it to execute a shell from your homedir |
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| 12:20.33 | alcohol | crontab is dead |
| 12:20.44 | NoxIn | snmpd ? |
| 12:20.52 | alcohol | and even so, I wouldn't be able to edit it. |
| 12:20.58 | alcohol | ftp is locked in certain dirs. |
| 12:22.12 | alcohol | !snmpd |
| 12:22.13 | dpkg | hmm... snmpd is Simple Network Management Protocol Daemon. you need to edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf "access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none", change 'system' under read to 'all' to get mrtg working. |
| 12:22.24 | bdeferme | !ntp |
| 12:22.24 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 12:22.31 | bdeferme | lol =) |
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| 12:27.09 | ootput | hi guys. i've noticed that (even upon a fresh reboot) startx takes a while to launch the X server. I see that my hostname (completely non-network related) is 'bad' or something, and something about an unrecognised host |
| 12:27.20 | ootput | is this something that i can fix? |
| 12:27.43 | Bushmills | ootput: /etc/hostname and /etc/fstab |
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| 12:29.49 | ootput | Bushmills: fstab? |
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| 12:30.34 | ootput | is hostname supposed to be blank? i remember setting it during the installation |
| 12:30.42 | Bushmills | ootput: yeah. add you hostname there, associate it with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 12:30.51 | ootput | hostname or hosts? |
| 12:31.03 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 12:31.07 | Bushmills | yes, sure. hosts |
| 12:31.25 | Bushmills | black out, |
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| 12:31.37 | ootput | ahh |
| 12:31.44 | ootput | turns out i already attempted to |
| 12:31.52 | ootput | i had a trailing ` after 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:32.01 | themill | ootput: you need to have the machine name in /etc/hostname though |
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| 12:32.05 | ootput | i guess it was vim-related |
| 12:32.36 | themill | yeah, probably fat-fingered ESC |
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| 12:39.02 | Nyle | Goodmorning |
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| 12:46.16 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 12:46.18 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 12:46.26 | perlmonkey | how do i remove a hold on a package with apt |
| 12:46.40 | themill | !unhold |
| 12:46.40 | dpkg | i heard unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:46.47 | perlmonkey | ahh thanks |
| 12:46.52 | mick_home | does anyone know how to make konsole's tab have the text of my $PS1 |
| 12:46.54 | mick_home | hi perlmonkey |
| 12:47.01 | perlmonkey | hi mick_home |
| 12:47.26 | mick_home | aptitude unhold pkgname |
| 12:47.37 | perlmonkey | cool that's better, i hate dpkg |
| 12:47.43 | perlmonkey | thanks mick |
| 12:48.00 | themill | those two databases are different though |
| 12:48.18 | mick_home | i guess it depends if you use aptitude or not |
| 12:49.16 | themill | mick_home: this is what I have in my .bash_profile for that: http://rafb.net/p/0CjlLm85.html good luck :) |
| 12:49.42 | mick_home | as for my question about konsole, right now my konsole tabs say: Shell No. 1,2,3,... etc. -- i want it to have the info of where i'm ssh'ed into |
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| 12:50.34 | mick_home | well, let me try that |
| 12:50.40 | petemc | mick_home: have you poked about in the preferences for something related to title? |
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| 12:51.42 | themill | mick_home: what I have will give machine:cwd in black for a normal user and in red for root and PS1 has just [cwd]$ for local machine and [machine cwd]$ for remote. With per-machine colours and # not $ for root. |
| 12:52.00 | mick_home | even if i find it - how do i set it? `echo $PS1`? |
| 12:52.02 | themill | mick_home: it also frigs with the window title in a similar way |
| 12:52.12 | perlmonkey | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 12:52.13 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 12:53.35 | abrotman | aptitude -vvvvv |
| 12:54.16 | ronr | aptitude moo -v (and just keep adding the v's) |
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| 12:57.34 | Diluvium | hey guys |
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| 12:57.44 | Diluvium | how do I get apt-get to ask me specifically if i want to follow recommended packages etc |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | aptitude has an option for that |
| 12:58.34 | abrotman | otherwise |
| 12:58.37 | abrotman | !apt recommends |
| 12:58.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 12:58.51 | Diluvium | ah cool |
| 12:59.24 | kienerii_ | hello, my laptop fan is very very loud - what can i do? |
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| 12:59.30 | maligor | replace it |
| 12:59.43 | Diluvium | abrotman, that file does not exist I created it |
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| 13:01.08 | maligor | kienerii_, unless you mean it's just spinning at maximum all the time, where the correct answer might be to install powermanagement sw |
| 13:01.22 | rvsjoen | anyone know a simple way of extracting line 3-10 when cat'ing a file ? I tried using \n as a delimiter in cut but it doesnt accept multi byte delimiters. |
| 13:01.28 | kienerii_ | maligor, ok, i'll try it |
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| 13:01.40 | JyZyXEL | just hooked my first wlan nic |
| 13:01.48 | JyZyXEL | wonder how i can configure it? |
| 13:01.59 | maligor | properly functioning fans should just give a whoosh sound |
| 13:02.17 | JyZyXEL | seems to show up on iwconfig |
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| 13:02.32 | JyZyXEL | i just wonder how i can get the list of wlan routers |
| 13:02.41 | kienerii_ | maligor, can you recommend a powermanagement sw? |
| 13:02.43 | JyZyXEL | or accespoints whatever they call them |
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| 13:02.56 | kdag | JyZyXEL: kismet? |
| 13:03.04 | ronr | kienerii_: earplugs? ;) |
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| 13:03.27 | kienerii_ | ronr, lol *g* |
| 13:03.34 | kdag | can someone tell me where in debian i need to add this line: xsetroot -solid black so to have that everytime i boot X ? |
| 13:03.48 | kdag | i tried .xinitrc failed |
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| 13:06.33 | maligor | kienerii_, dunno.. powersaved? |
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| 13:08.58 | joltcan | kdag: .xsession maybe? |
| 13:09.16 | joltcan | I don't use X to often, so I don't remember which file is the right one of those |
| 13:09.31 | joltcan | kdag: or try to set .xinitrc to chmod +x |
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| 13:09.59 | jair | guys, good morning |
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| 13:10.50 | Agiofws | ok can someone tell me how to disable the advertisment in theis url http://freemeteo.com/default.asp?la=2&gid=735399&pid=19&nDate=3 |
| 13:10.55 | NoxIn | AFIAK, .xinitrc is only read if you run x as a user. if the xserver is started from the begining by gdm you may want to look in /etc/X11/... |
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| 13:11.38 | jair | I just added a second drive to on eof my servers using lvm2 and after extend the VG, and resize the LV I saw that is recommended to run the tool "e2fsck" but the problem is that I am remote from the server so I can not boot it with a live cd, so root can be unmounted, by the way the LV I resized was root :P |
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| 13:12.08 | kdag | thanks, yes i run it as user and will try the chmod +x maybe thats what im missing |
| 13:12.08 | jair | my root partiiton now looks much better now little more space |
| 13:12.09 | JyZyXEL | FATAL: Please configure at least one packet source. Kismet will not function if no packet sources are defined in kismet.conf or on the command line. Please read the README for more information about configuring Kismet. |
| 13:13.00 | JyZyXEL | wtf this is some server |
| 13:13.00 | jair | is there a way I can run the "e2fsck" at boot time like the regular fsck does? |
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| 13:13.00 | JyZyXEL | i just wanted to scan for wlan places |
| 13:13.00 | kdag | JyZyXEL: edit the kismet.conf file to meet your card driver |
| 13:13.03 | JyZyXEL | # Name of server (Purely for organizational purposes) |
| 13:13.05 | moshii | JyZyXEL: use iwlist then |
| 13:13.06 | JyZyXEL | server?! |
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| 13:13.25 | stew | rvsjoen: sed -n 3,10p ; if its a very big file, use sed -n '3,10p;11q' (the 11q makes it quit after line 10) |
| 13:13.27 | JyZyXEL | moshii what argument for iwlist? |
| 13:13.33 | kdag | scan |
| 13:13.40 | kdag | iwlist -h |
| 13:13.41 | JyZyXEL | "Device doesn't support scanning" |
| 13:13.47 | alcohol | well, my boss knows now :x |
| 13:13.50 | moshii | JyZyXEL: kismet is split into two parts, a packet gathering server and ui client |
| 13:14.03 | kdag | dont panic with the word server |
| 13:14.05 | moshii | JyZyXEL: you need to bring the interface up first |
| 13:14.22 | JyZyXEL | how you do that? |
| 13:14.27 | JyZyXEL | for a wireless device |
| 13:14.32 | moshii | ifconfig dev up |
| 13:14.41 | JyZyXEL | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 13:14.54 | JyZyXEL | "ifconfig eth2 up" i did |
| 13:14.54 | moshii | JyZyXEL: is the device listed in iwconfig? |
| 13:14.59 | JyZyXEL | moshii yea |
| 13:15.38 | moshii | JyZyXEL: what driver is it? |
| 13:15.45 | JyZyXEL | eth2 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"zd1211" |
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| 13:16.27 | JyZyXEL | dmesg is full of errors for that |
| 13:16.27 | JyZyXEL | usb 4-6: Could not load firmware file zd1211/zd1211b_ub. Error number -2 |
| 13:16.43 | abrotman | HINT! |
| 13:16.47 | moshii | JyZyXEL: you need the firmware for that driver |
| 13:16.59 | moshii | JyZyXEL: hence you can't bring the device up |
| 13:17.00 | JyZyXEL | firmware is inside the device |
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| 13:17.32 | moshii | JyZyXEL: I'm pretty sure you need the firmware files for the zd1211 driver |
| 13:17.38 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 13:18.00 | JyZyXEL | there is a sourceforge project for this |
| 13:18.00 | moshii | zd1211-firmware.. it's in etch |
| 13:18.15 | JyZyXEL | nice |
| 13:18.19 | JyZyXEL | for once a supported device |
| 13:18.40 | JyZyXEL | A-link seems to have a nice Linux support always |
| 13:18.51 | moshii | zydas gave the driver away just before they got bought out iirc |
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| 13:19.20 | JyZyXEL | now the thing is up ;) |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | hardly call that nice linux support |
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| 13:19.45 | JyZyXEL | atleast it works |
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| 13:19.53 | jair | abrotman: have you ever run e2fsck on a root LV? |
| 13:19.53 | moshii | JyZyXEL: iwlist will now work |
| 13:19.56 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 13:20.17 | jair | I know I need to run the system at least on a single mode to make the LV root read only |
| 13:20.38 | jair | or I can run the system from a lvm support live cd like the gentoo one. |
| 13:20.40 | jair | right? |
| 13:20.54 | JyZyXEL | setting my first wireless network ;P |
| 13:20.59 | moshii | jair: queue a fsck for the next reboot |
| 13:21.29 | jair | moshii: but it is this the same as "e2fsck"? |
| 13:21.38 | jair | moshii: I was doing LVM2 |
| 13:21.50 | jair | everything works and looks the way it should |
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| 13:22.19 | moshii | jair: ext2/3 has a an option to mark the fs so that when the init scripts check it on boot a fsck is run |
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| 13:23.13 | perlmonkey | vous parle francais? |
| 13:23.34 | moshii | !fr |
| 13:23.34 | dpkg | methinks fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:23.50 | perlmonkey | merci |
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| 13:24.28 | charzero | Why is nvidia-kernel-source in etch and sid but not lenny? |
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| 13:25.37 | moshii | charzero: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 13:26.33 | charzero | Is it save to pull nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from sid to lenny? |
| 13:27.15 | moshii | charzero: probably, you're running testing anyhow, so you should know how to fix things when they go wrong ;) |
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| 13:30.09 | wols | charzero: you need to backport |
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| 13:30.32 | moshii | wols: for lenny? |
| 13:30.37 | wols | yes |
| 13:30.58 | wols | the source package is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:31.22 | moshii | would have thought lenny and sid would be close enough not to worry.. |
| 13:31.35 | stew | !depends nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:31.37 | wols | libc is often different |
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| 13:31.53 | stew | i doubt that nvidia-kernel-source would have library dependencies |
| 13:32.00 | kdag | can someone tell me where are keymaps defined under debian? a have a non-standar keyboard driving me crazy |
| 13:32.07 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: depends on debhelper (>> 4.0.0), make, sed (>> 3.0), dpatch (>= 2.0.0) |
| 13:32.11 | wols | stew: that's a source package anyways, but he still needs glx |
| 13:32.15 | charzero | Huh. I guess I need nvidia-kernel-legacy-source anyway, which is not in sid either. |
| 13:32.19 | cire | Hi, I am using debian sid, and I am trying to get text to speech with german voice working. There are several howtos I followed, but in kcontrol there is no entry "TExt to speech" in Regional&Access. I have all the packages installed (kdeaccessibility, kttsd, kmouth, ksay, mbrola, txt2pho...) |
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| 13:32.35 | stew | wols: yes, its a source package, which is why it wouldn't have library dependencies requiring you to backport |
| 13:32.53 | moshii | wols: the glx part is closed anyhow.. so it might not be built againast the same libc as sid |
| 13:33.00 | olivr | hello ! i got a package that has been many times mocked up (bastille) and now its jamming everything how to i force remove it wihtout anycheck or anything |
| 13:33.00 | wols | stew: glx is not a source package |
| 13:33.07 | stew | wols: no, it isn't |
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| 13:33.27 | stew | wols: it also doesn't require backporting |
| 13:33.30 | versuchsanstalt | !german |
| 13:33.30 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 13:33.31 | wols | stew: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.12, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21), libx11-6, libxext6, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, |
| 13:33.35 | wols | these are the dependencies of glx |
| 13:33.37 | maligor | the kernel-source isn't exactly a 'source' package either |
| 13:34.00 | versuchsanstalt | cire: maybe try the german channel |
| 13:34.04 | wols | and while it doesn't really need libc6 2.7 it still wants it. right now this doesn't matter since libc6 is similar enough |
| 13:34.09 | wols | but that's not always the case |
| 13:34.09 | moshii | maligor: it's the source for the kernel module.. |
| 13:34.14 | stew | wols: yes, no backporting required |
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| 13:34.24 | wols | stew: even when 2.3 would work fine too |
| 13:34.29 | wols | stew: < wols> but that's not always the case |
| 13:34.59 | stew | i was just reacting to <wols> charzero: you need to backport |
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| 13:35.37 | jair | moshii: but my question is e2fsck is the same as the fsck command or tool? |
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| 13:35.54 | jair | moshii: so i think I can schedule the fsck at boot time |
| 13:35.57 | wols | jair: fscl calls e2fsck for ext2 partitions |
| 13:36.03 | moshii | jair: fsck is a wrapper.. it just calls the right tool for the fs |
| 13:36.03 | wols | just like mount calls mount.ext2 or such |
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| 13:36.31 | jair | I see |
| 13:36.37 | moshii | jair: I think you use tune2fs to mark the fs for checking.. you want to read the docs first |
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| 13:36.51 | jair | so then I should be able to run shutdown -Fr now |
| 13:37.03 | jair | moshii: ok |
| 13:37.10 | moshii | jair: why do you think the fs needs checking? |
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| 13:37.20 | SHAMO | hi can someone help me i just installed debian know when it starts it doesnt start de grafish environment |
| 13:37.43 | moshii | jair: if it's broken you might not be able to boot |
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| 13:38.08 | jair | moshii: because is recommeneded after I extended the Volume Group and Logical Volume |
| 13:38.09 | wols | SHAMO: do you have a display manager installed? or do you get any errors? |
| 13:38.24 | jair | moshii: I resized the LV "/root" |
| 13:38.28 | wols | jair: I'd remount read only and fsck instead |
| 13:38.29 | jair | it was too small |
| 13:38.45 | wols | just to see what needs to be fixed |
| 13:38.49 | SHAMO | display manager i think but i get errors |
| 13:38.49 | jair | wols: but to do that I need to be on the machine correct in front of it |
| 13:38.54 | jair | I am running this remotely |
| 13:38.57 | wols | jair: no |
| 13:38.58 | moshii | jair: you could also do as wols said, go do to single user and mount -o remount,ro / |
| 13:39.08 | wols | moshii: no need for single user either |
| 13:39.10 | wols | just remount ro |
| 13:39.13 | jair | ok but can I do that remotely? |
| 13:39.19 | wols | jair: yes! |
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| 13:39.26 | jair | I have an ssh connection to the servers |
| 13:39.29 | jair | nice |
| 13:39.48 | jair | alright, so I guess I need to do init 1 on the server? |
| 13:39.50 | moshii | wols: mmm what about anything that's trying to write? ;) |
| 13:39.54 | wols | jair: NO! |
| 13:39.58 | moshii | jair: you won't have ssh if you do |
| 13:40.05 | jair | ohhh |
| 13:40.07 | jair | ? |
| 13:40.15 | wols | moshii: it bombs. who cares. at most you restart the daemon afterwards |
| 13:40.20 | jair | again the only access I have to the server is ssh |
| 13:40.32 | wols | jair: for the LAST time. remount ro and fsck |
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| 13:40.50 | moshii | jair: remount root as ro, but if you have /var etc on that fs stop anything important like mysql etc first |
| 13:40.51 | jair | wols: without running any itinit? |
| 13:41.09 | jair | I don't have anything installed on this server |
| 13:41.12 | jair | brand new |
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| 13:41.17 | jair | just debian |
| 13:41.17 | wols | jair: I wasn't joking when I said "last time". |
| 13:41.31 | charzero | `xdriinfo` says "libGL is too old." Is there another way to tell if I have DRI working? |
| 13:41.31 | jair | wols: alright doing that now |
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| 13:41.46 | wols | charzero: Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:42.43 | wols | SHAMO: either what error(s)? |
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| 13:43.02 | charzero | wols: LoadModule "dri" \ Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation". . . Does that mean DRI is enabled? |
| 13:43.07 | ehs171 | bom dia |
| 13:43.09 | wols | charzero: no |
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| 13:43.21 | wols | it means it gets loaded |
| 13:43.29 | moshii | charzero: there will be some lines about DRM init and if it worked or not |
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| 13:43.36 | jair | wols: is the command remount part of a gruoup of utilities package on Debian? |
| 13:43.43 | wols | jair: man mount |
| 13:43.48 | jair | ok |
| 13:43.56 | charzero | wols: I see nothing at all about DRM. |
| 13:44.08 | moshii | jair: remount is an option you pass to mount |
| 13:44.14 | wols | charzero: me neither. imagine that |
| 13:44.18 | jair | I see |
| 13:44.23 | jair | moshii: thanks you |
| 13:44.26 | jair | I mean thanks |
| 13:45.06 | wols | charzero: what videocard/driver? |
| 13:45.09 | jair | moshii: so => mount -r /root |
| 13:45.18 | moshii | jair: eh? |
| 13:45.32 | charzero | wols: nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX400, nvidia driver |
| 13:45.43 | jair | that is what I should run right? while the system is up |
| 13:45.44 | ehs171 | gostaria de saber se tem como montar um servidor squid e cups( impressora usb ligada no linux hp 1020) tudo em um servidor soh? |
| 13:45.58 | wols | charzero: you won't see anything drm related. just check glxinfo |
| 13:46.06 | moshii | jair: well if you read the manpage you'll see mount takes options via the -o switch |
| 13:46.11 | wols | ehs171: english _only_ |
| 13:46.16 | jair | I see |
| 13:46.26 | jair | moshii: I will continue this at work I have to run |
| 13:46.31 | charzero | wols: "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 13:46.34 | jair | wols: Thank you for your help |
| 13:46.41 | jair | moshii: Thank you very much |
| 13:47.00 | ehs171 | ok |
| 13:47.06 | ehs171 | debian br? |
| 13:47.11 | SHAMO | how can you change de etc/x11 file ?? |
| 13:47.12 | wols | !pt |
| 13:47.13 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 13:47.21 | moshii | charzero: you need the nvidia legacy driver for that I think |
| 13:47.21 | wols | !tell SHAMO about drxx |
| 13:47.24 | ehs171 | ok |
| 13:47.26 | ehs171 | thanks |
| 13:47.32 | wols | moshii: he obviously has it already |
| 13:47.57 | moshii | wols: he was asking about the normal one earlier.. ;) |
| 13:48.10 | charzero | moshii: I was confused before. I think I'm straightened out now. |
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| 13:53.13 | abrotman | jair: on a what ? |
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| 13:56.02 | vjoe | when is Firefox 3 going to be put in the repositories? |
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| 13:56.21 | petemc | !ff3 |
| 13:56.21 | dpkg | it has been said that ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 13:56.24 | abrotman | it's in sid already |
| 13:56.26 | stew | vjoe: about 2 weeks ago |
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| 13:57.18 | vjoe | I knew that the rc2 was in sid already, but since it was a rc version |
| 13:57.19 | vjoe | ok, thanks |
| 13:57.22 | JyZyXEL | oh god what a job to figure out which way this IDE connector is supposed to be |
| 13:57.34 | JyZyXEL | they left that little bump out |
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| 13:57.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: on the drive side or the motherboard? |
| 13:57.57 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: on HDD:s the 0-wire (the one with some other color) is toward the power-plug-thing |
| 13:58.16 | abrotman | and the mobo should specify which is 0 |
| 13:58.23 | JyZyXEL | pin numbers start from 1 |
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| 13:58.31 | aidy | hi |
| 13:59.08 | JyZyXEL | there is no markings at all to tell whats what |
| 13:59.18 | stew | JyZyXEL: on the motherboard? |
| 13:59.31 | JyZyXEL | its a SATA -> IDE adapter |
| 14:00.07 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: next to the connector on the motherboard are often small numbers. 1 and 40. |
| 14:00.24 | aidy | I want to install some packages from 64studio in ubuntu, what do i have to add to the apt configuration files so that only say ardour gets installed from the 64studio repository? |
| 14:00.31 | JyZyXEL | yea well this is not a motherboard |
| 14:00.33 | SHAMO | what does "no screens found " means |
| 14:00.36 | Bushmills | and the cable is usually colour-coded. a red or black line on one side |
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| 14:00.48 | JyZyXEL | and that helps me how? |
| 14:00.49 | stew | aidy: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. what you are doing sounds like a bad idea |
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| 14:01.28 | aidy | stew: as if i'd get help in #ubuntu :P this is a question about apt not about ubunt |
| 14:01.29 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: the colour coding is usually on the side with pin 1 |
| 14:01.32 | aidy | u |
| 14:01.45 | stew | aidy: there isn't an apt channel though, and we don't support ubuntu |
| 14:01.45 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills in the PCB? i don't think so |
| 14:02.10 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: just next to the pin. quite small |
| 14:02.12 | aidy | stew: so the logical thing would be to go to #debian, as apt is the system used originally by debian. |
| 14:02.42 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills never seen that one |
| 14:02.55 | stew | aidy: try #64studio maybe |
| 14:03.02 | moshii | aidy: We don't know/care what ubuntu has done with apt... a bit googling on "pinning" would help you though |
| 14:03.23 | aidy | moshii: thanky |
| 14:03.25 | stew | aidy: though i wouldnt' trust them to know ubuntu well enought to how dangerous what you are doing is |
| 14:04.15 | moshii | stew: if he wants to do it there's no point trying to talk him out of it |
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| 14:04.36 | moshii | he won't get any help when it goes tits up |
| 14:04.38 | stew | moshii: of course there is |
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| 14:04.49 | stew | all the more reason to talk him out of it |
| 14:04.51 | slackthumbz | aidy: good luck but it's your reinstall/funeral ;) |
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| 14:05.55 | moshii | maybe if he does it once and realises it wasn't a good idea he won't do it again; lesson learnt |
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| 14:06.35 | aidy | slackthumbz: thanks :) |
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| 14:08.10 | xs | does anyone know what may be causing printk's of "rtc: some interrupts lost at 1024Hz"? i have searched but cannot find anything useful. it appears to be triggered by mplayer (but not xine) and also rocksndiamonds (/proc/sys/kern/rtc/max-user-freq is 1024) |
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| 14:08.42 | MacGyverNL | Has anyone had success installing Java EE on debian? I can't find it in Synaptic (not even in backports), so that might be me, but... |
| 14:08.54 | wols | !java |
| 14:08.54 | dpkg | java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 14:09.05 | moshii | xs: mplayer using high frequency timers.. and some of them get lost because the interrupts can't be caught in time |
| 14:09.24 | wols | moshii: it more sounds like his rtc loses some ticks, not mplayer |
| 14:09.58 | xs | i thought maybe interrupts were disabled for too long. |
| 14:10.14 | MacGyverNL | wols: I did. |
| 14:10.26 | xs | could it be failing hardware? |
| 14:10.35 | moshii | wols: dunno, I would have thought it has something to do with mplayer using high requency timers though |
| 14:10.35 | xs | or just hpet being too ambitious for my hardware? |
| 14:10.40 | wols | xs: if anything it's too slow hardware. not failing |
| 14:10.41 | Bushmills | it is still the task of the software to clear the interrupt bit in the PIC. if that's not done in time, next interrupts won't reach the CPU. that's what i think is the problem, |
| 14:10.47 | magentar | so the newest kernel i can get from any of the repositories (stable/testing/unstable) is 2.6.8, right? |
| 14:11.01 | wols | moshii: no |
| 14:11.06 | wols | magentar: no |
| 14:11.23 | xs | magentar: 2.6.24-1 is in testing. |
| 14:11.27 | wols | magentar: if you only can get 2.6.8, you still run sarge which is by now unsupported. please upgrade to etch |
| 14:11.29 | petemc | 2.6.25 |
| 14:11.36 | Bushmills | of the interrupt handler, specificall |
| 14:11.37 | Bushmills | y |
| 14:11.40 | wols | magentar: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 14:11.55 | magentar | okay thx, i was just lookng at packages.debian.org ... maybe i did sth wrong |
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| 14:12.07 | moshii | wols: so it's to do with interrupts from the rtc not getting serviced in time? |
| 14:12.17 | wols | moshii: that's what I think yes |
| 14:12.27 | xs | ahh. |
| 14:12.52 | stew | magentar: kernel-* packages got renamed to linux-* packages starting with 2.6.12 |
| 14:12.59 | magentar | yeah got it , thx |
| 14:15.46 | xs | ok. thanks very much everyone. i've pulled /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq to 64 (i don't use mplayer really) and rocksndiamonds seems a-okay :) |
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| 14:17.10 | SparFux | In Debian unstable my X seems to crash the system.  I know, don't blame the OS, blame the hardware, but without X it doesn't crash so far. |
| 14:17.36 | nux | seems pretty unstable |
| 14:17.52 | MacGyverNL | wols: I need, specifically, the Java Enterprise Edition SDK 5. There's no instructions for that on dpkg, it's not in backports, and java-package doesn't have a suitable plugin. |
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| 14:17.58 | abrotman | is he complaining ? |
| 14:18.02 | MacGyverNL | That's why I'm asking. |
| 14:18.23 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: tried java-packag e? |
| 14:18.52 | MacGyverNL | It returns "no matching plugin was found" when I try to run it on java_ee_sdk-5_05-linux.bin |
| 14:18.56 | moshii | SparFux: buggy graphics driver |
| 14:18.59 | stew | SparFux: have you checked the bts? |
| 14:19.30 | SparFux | moshii: maybe. I just deactivated the composite stuff. Let's see what happens. |
| 14:19.43 | SparFux | Stew: I am on it, for package xserver-xorg so far. |
| 14:19.51 | moshii | SparFux: might help ;) |
| 14:20.15 | SparFux | This is crap, but it's better than hardware problems. Anyway, I am still not 100% sure. |
| 14:21.24 | moshii | SparFux: well, if the machine doesn't crash with x running.. maybe the extra load of x is making something overheat? |
| 14:21.45 | daedalus_ | SparFux: nvidia hardware? |
| 14:21.56 | SparFux | moshii: Yes, that's what I thought. But I did heavy RAM tests and HDD tests and it didn't crash in a day on the console. |
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| 14:22.01 | SparFux | deadalus: no, ati. |
| 14:22.19 | moshii | SparFux: I was hinting towards the graphics card |
| 14:22.30 | SparFux | moshii: ah, I get it. |
| 14:22.31 | SHAMO | someone can tell me how to start xf86config ?? |
| 14:22.40 | moshii | SparFux: maybe try with the vesa driver or something |
| 14:22.53 | SparFux | Well, the composite crap is broken anyway. So it might very well be the problem. |
| 14:22.57 | moshii | SparFux: I don't think you're meant to use that thesedays |
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| 14:23.20 | SparFux | moshii: and I couldn't use it anyway, because it's broken, but it was activated in my xorg.conf. |
| 14:23.26 | moshii | SparFux: xorg finds a lot out for itself, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is you're best bet for anything else |
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| 14:23.39 | ribasushi | yo |
| 14:23.42 | moshii | SparFux: sorry, those were for SHAMO |
| 14:23.54 | ribasushi | there's an error in the man page of mkfs.ext2 |
| 14:24.02 | moshii | ribasushi: reportbug |
| 14:24.02 | ribasushi | I'm not quote sure what should the bug be filed against |
| 14:24.32 | SHAMO | no use ..thesedays...how do i get my X to work then ?? |
| 14:24.43 | moshii | ribasushi: e2fstools or e2fsprogs I think |
| 14:25.17 | moshii | SHAMO: xorg autodetects most stuff, or you re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to use the debconf script |
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| 14:25.36 | ribasushi | e2fsprogs it is |
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| 14:27.40 | blahblahx | would this command: "gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --load /root/panel2.xml /apps/panel" update the contents of /apps/panel to that of the file /panel2.xml ? |
| 14:27.43 | SparFux | Seems like other people are having problems with it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468852 |
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| 14:30.58 | blahblahx | anyone? |
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| 14:32.28 | wols | MacGyverNL: plugin? are you running 64bit? |
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| 14:34.43 | usar | hi |
| 14:35.11 | usar | does the make-kpkg from kernel-package in etch have problems compiling 2.6.25? Or am I just being stupid? |
| 14:35.34 | wols | it's possible |
| 14:36.04 | Diluvium | hey guys im trying to install cups but im getting this error: |
| 14:36.06 | Diluvium | Error: |
| 14:36.08 | Diluvium | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.12 | usar | (I want to build a xen domu kernel-image) |
| 14:36.16 | Diluvium | I tried googling it not much use |
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| 14:37.21 | usar | and I get the following output: http://rafb.net/p/3IUB5w45.html |
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| 14:37.41 | usar | which to me seems like make-kpkg is trying to build the xen kernel 'the old way' (2.6.18 style) |
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| 14:38.00 | stew | usar: i believe there are several bugs filed about kernel-package and xen kernels |
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| 14:38.11 | n-iCe | which one is better? |
| 14:38.14 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.14 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.24 | usar | stew: ok, I will habe a look at the BTS |
| 14:38.32 | usar | (sorry for not thinking of that myself) |
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| 14:38.43 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:38.54 | stew | n-iCe: stable |
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| 14:39.42 | DexterF | gtkrc issue in kde: starting a gtk app from kmenu or "run command", the theme is ignored. when I run from konsole, all fine. in a test account with a new all fresh kde all is fine and works as supposed. |
| 14:39.51 | DexterF | ideas what's wrong? |
| 14:41.54 | MacGyverNL | wols: No. |
| 14:42.17 | MacGyverNL | I was trying to use java-package to install the java EE sdk 5.bin downloadable from sun.com |
| 14:42.31 | MacGyverNL | Seems java-package doesn't swallow it. |
| 14:42.51 | MacGyverNL | However, ##Java has provided me with the solution: Just install the packaged (backport) jdk and install glassfish. |
| 14:43.05 | MacGyverNL | They say it's the same as the java EE sdk. |
| 14:43.11 | moshii | MacGyverNL: what are you trying to run? |
| 14:43.20 | MacGyverNL | s/run/develop/ |
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| 14:44.05 | moshii | glassfish will give you a EE application server.. I'm not sure if it'll give you the extra stuff that is in the EE sdk.. if there is anything different in the EE sdk |
| 14:44.30 | MacGyverNL | Well, I'm assuming the people in ##Java know their business. |
| 14:44.45 | n-iCe | PRO/Wireless 3945ABG is supported by debian? |
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| 14:45.50 | MacGyverNL | According to them, Glassfish contains the java EE libraries which I need for development |
| 14:46.00 | MacGyverNL | (I believe GF is in Unstable?) |
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| 14:46.22 | wols | the backport it |
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| 14:47.08 | moshii | MacGyverNL: parts of glassfish are in debian.. I couldn't work out how to actually get those parts to build the appliction server though |
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| 14:51.04 | CuBe0wL | hi all |
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| 14:52.52 | CuBe0wL | is anybody here using latest stable kernel and debian sid with a logitech webcam? |
| 14:53.00 | CuBe0wL | I can't compile the driver for it |
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| 14:53.15 | cahoot | uvcvideo? |
| 14:53.21 | CuBe0wL | nope |
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| 14:53.46 | cahoot | so what 'driver' then? |
| 14:53.48 | CuBe0wL | qc-usb-messenger |
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| 14:55.45 | CuBe0wL | I can build the driver, but I can't make install |
| 14:56.20 | themill | Can't you use module-assistant for that driver? |
| 14:56.24 | CuBe0wL | http://pastebin.com/f7db9b4de |
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| 14:56.47 | CuBe0wL | it "used" to work |
| 14:57.00 | CuBe0wL | it was a simple make make install procedure |
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| 14:59.13 | wols | CuBe0wL: you are missing your kernel headers |
| 14:59.30 | CuBe0wL | how come? I've just built my kernel |
| 14:59.34 | CuBe0wL | I should have them |
| 14:59.46 | wols | CuBe0wL: dpkg -l linux |grep linux |
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| 14:59.55 | wols | you clearly don't |
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| 15:00.29 | CuBe0wL | I see. but I've built my own... so I don't think any package will be good for me |
| 15:00.51 | wols | I hope you used kernel-package and built headers too |
| 15:00.56 | CuBe0wL | aren't kernel header files created during building the kernel? |
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| 15:00.58 | themill | CuBe0wL: if you'd built your kernel the debian way, you'd have a headers package |
| 15:01.00 | wols | if not: you can redo your kernel compile |
| 15:01.03 | wols | they are |
| 15:01.35 | CuBe0wL | I've used: make-kpkg --initrd --revision=myown kernel_image |
| 15:01.44 | wols | good that's the image |
| 15:01.48 | wols | but you also need headers |
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| 15:02.02 | blahblahx | where is the file kept that has the information for the default xorg session? |
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| 15:02.14 | CuBe0wL | it would be kernel_headers in the end? |
| 15:02.15 | wols | blahblahx: /etc/X11 like always |
| 15:02.18 | wols | CuBe0wL: yes |
| 15:02.23 | blahblahx | wols: what is the file? |
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| 15:02.49 | wols | Xsession ? |
| 15:02.49 | MacGyverNL | xorg.conf |
| 15:02.51 | CuBe0wL | strange... last time I've built a kernel, it has created the header files too with only kernel_image |
| 15:02.55 | EoN | if i have a tar created like tar -cf /home/dave/dir1/dir2 - is there a way of extracting only the files from that tar, rather than re-creating the whole path as well? |
| 15:02.55 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. |
| 15:03.01 | wols | CuBe0wL: it never ever did that |
| 15:03.02 | MacGyverNL | Oh, misread. |
| 15:03.03 | MacGyverNL | Sorry. |
| 15:03.15 | blahblahx | wols: so the file is /etc/X11/xsession ? |
| 15:03.23 | wols | no it's not |
| 15:03.24 | macoute_ | EoN: man tar would give you the right handle. there is one, but i cant remember it |
| 15:03.41 | CuBe0wL | make-kpkg --revision=myown kernel_headers ? |
| 15:03.46 | blahblahx | what is the exact path wols ? |
| 15:04.06 | wols | I already told you |
| 15:04.15 | MacGyverNL | blahblahx: Capitalisation. |
| 15:04.36 | wols | blahblahx: how about going to /etc/X11/ yourself for a change? |
| 15:04.45 | blahblahx | wols: |
| 15:04.46 | blahblahx | wols: done |
| 15:04.57 | JyZyXEL | how much does desktop etch installation take space? |
| 15:05.01 | blahblahx | wols: i found it. but you were being a bit confusing. |
| 15:05.05 | wols | JyZyXEL: undetermined |
| 15:05.12 | JyZyXEL | o.o |
| 15:05.17 | blahblahx | wols: you said Xsession. you didn't say /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 15:05.27 | blahblahx | wols: it could have been ~/Xsession |
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| 15:06.04 | matteo__ | hallo |
| 15:06.14 | matteo__ | I need help with packages |
| 15:06.20 | wols | engaging one's brain is not optional |
| 15:06.50 | matteo__ | someone could help me? |
| 15:06.56 | JyZyXEL | well im assuming it doesn't take more than 5GB |
| 15:06.56 | blahblahx | wols: wait isn't is ~/.xsession ? |
| 15:06.59 | wols | not unless you actually ask |
| 15:07.05 | ronr | !tell matteo about ask |
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| 15:07.24 | MacGyverNL | blahblahx: He told you. Twice now. The file is in /etc/X11, and it's called Xsession |
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| 15:07.41 | blahblahx | MacGyverNL: which i looked through and has nothing about the default session. |
| 15:07.43 | ronr | !tell matteo__ about ask |
| 15:08.22 | themill | blahblahx: how about you stop being vague and argumentative and ask smart questions |
| 15:08.23 | MacGyverNL | blahblahx: man xsession |
| 15:08.26 | matteo__ | ronr I would like to download packages and dependencies to install in an other pc |
| 15:08.49 | themill | dpkg: tell matteo__ about apt-zip |
| 15:08.51 | blahblahx | themill: was my first question not smart? |
| 15:08.56 | matteo__ | Have I to download one by one? |
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| 15:09.18 | wols | themill: that'd be too much to ask. and I doubt he will learn how to read a bash file this decade |
| 15:09.25 | wols | matteo__: you#ve just been told |
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| 15:10.16 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 15:10.23 | d34df00d | Where can I get raw1394 module? |
| 15:10.34 | d34df00d | Or how do I grab video from a camera which connects via FireWire? |
| 15:10.40 | themill | blahblahx: well since you seem to have a different definition of "default xorg session" to everyone else because you don't like the answers you are getting. |
| 15:10.55 | Sertse | frankly debian irc ain't bad. debian forums is imtimidating :P. anyways back to lurking |
| 15:11.10 | CuBe0wL | wols, just as I thought: I've built the kernel-headers package, installed it, but make install still gives the error |
| 15:11.13 | d34df00d | I've got Debian testing/unstable. |
| 15:11.30 | jair | wols: I am trying to run the command "mount -o -ro /dev/mapper/p8-root" and I am getting this => http://paste.debian.net/7507 |
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| 15:11.33 | blahblahx | themill: what is your definition of default xorg session? mine is the session that xorg runs by default when it starts. and in the xsession file, there is no mention of that. |
| 15:11.47 | wols | CuBe0wL: I asked you to run a certain command above. please do so. talk to me again if you did |
| 15:11.48 | jair | wols: are you sure that I can do this when the machine is running? |
| 15:12.16 | wols | jair: I told you what to do and I said it was the LAST time |
| 15:12.17 | themill | d34df00d: the raw1394 module is in all recent kernels |
| 15:12.17 | matteo__ | hey |
| 15:12.20 | jair | wols: I think I need to reboot the system on single user in order to have that done |
| 15:12.26 | wols | themill: it's been removed |
| 15:12.35 | themill | wols: it has? it's in 2.6.24... |
| 15:12.46 | wols | in kernels after etch it was gone |
| 15:12.54 | blahblahx | wols: I asked a question. you answered it, which i was pleased about. i didnt get it, so i asked you to clarify. then, you snapped at me, at which point i defended myself. now, i am asking another question, because you didn't fully answer my first. Where did i go wrong? |
| 15:12.58 | themill | wols: it's in etchnhalf's 2.6.24 |
| 15:12.58 | d34df00d | themill: 2.6.24-1-amd64 for me, modprobe -l | grep 1394 returns nothing. |
| 15:13.01 | wols | jair: learn how to use mount then no |
| 15:13.19 | CuBe0wL | wols: you mean this? make-kpkg --revision=muxik5.1 kernel_headers |
| 15:13.21 | wols | puts blahblahx on ignore |
| 15:13.23 | themill | d34df00d: odd. modinfo raw1394 works, but I'm on x86 |
| 15:13.25 | wols | CuBe0wL: no |
| 15:13.28 | jair | wols: who do you think you are? there is a lot of other people here that can help and don't get SMART F*** ASS like you do man, piss off. |
| 15:13.35 | CuBe0wL | ok, I'll scroll back and search |
| 15:13.37 | wols | puts jair on ignore |
| 15:13.39 | blahblahx | jair: thanks dude. |
| 15:13.49 | blahblahx | jair: finally someone who gets it. |
| 15:13.54 | themill | blahblahx: what do you mean by session? |
| 15:14.06 | d34df00d | themill: modinfo: could not find module raw1394 |
| 15:14.20 | CuBe0wL | wols, quadra:/usr/src/qc-usb-messenger-1.7# dpkg -l linux |grep linux |
| 15:14.20 | CuBe0wL | un linux <nincs> (nincs leÃÂrás) |
| 15:14.23 | CuBe0wL | ups |
| 15:14.24 | themill | d34df00d: nfc then... sorry |
| 15:14.25 | CuBe0wL | sorry |
| 15:14.29 | wols | CuBe0wL: pastebin |
| 15:14.33 | blahblahx | themill: for example: KDE. or Gnome. or Gnome/Openbox (the one i want) |
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| 15:14.41 | d34df00d | So how could I grab that video from FireWire camera without raw1394 or where can I get that module? |
| 15:14.42 | CuBe0wL | nincs leÃÂrás means "no description" |
| 15:14.43 | streuner | !moo |
| 15:14.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:14.48 | themill | blahblahx: ahhh... desktop environment :) |
| 15:14.57 | d34df00d | themill: np. |
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| 15:15.00 | hark | !zoo |
| 15:15.00 | dpkg | it has been said that zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo!, or a file archiver with compression |
| 15:15.02 | wols | CuBe0wL: that output is utterly wrong. it would mean you have no kernel installed |
| 15:15.04 | stew | jair: take a 10 minute break... |
| 15:15.28 | blahblahx | jair: every channel has some know-it-all person who takes advantage of people who have questions. |
| 15:15.55 | CuBe0wL | wols, well... uname tells me I'm running 2.6.25.8 (wich I'm expected :) ) |
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| 15:16.00 | blahblahx | themill: yes. based on that clarification, could you help me out? (no sacrasm intended) |
| 15:16.01 | stew | blahblahx: drop it |
| 15:16.02 | wols | CuBe0wL: pastebin |
| 15:16.07 | blahblahx | stew: drop what? |
| 15:16.07 | streuner | jair: learn to behavior youself, its not always helpful, even you say the truth... |
| 15:16.11 | blahblahx | stew: my question? |
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| 15:16.29 | stew | blahblahx: the 'know-it-all' type comments, just please try to keep it productive |
| 15:16.29 | streuner | your attack |
| 15:16.43 | CuBe0wL | wols, http://pastebin.com/f601096fd |
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| 15:16.59 | wols | CuBe0wL: the dpkg command. not uname... |
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| 15:17.04 | blahblahx | stew: but i mean, look at the exchange between us! |
| 15:17.15 | stew | blahblahx: i have |
| 15:17.24 | d34df00d | Eh anybody? Google doesn't help me. |
| 15:17.32 | blahblahx | stew: where did i go wrong? because i certainly see where he did. |
| 15:17.40 | defrysk | blahblahx, geez |
| 15:17.41 | themill | blahblahx: you can use the alternatives system for that; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91#comment_4 |
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| 15:18.00 | stew | blahblahx: you didn't, please just move on |
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| 15:19.21 | CuBe0wL | wols, http://pastebin.com/f3b7464da |
| 15:19.23 | blahblahx | themill: what i did before (i forgot which file) was edit a file. in that file, it listed directories it looked for xsession files in, and then i just had to fill a session in. |
| 15:19.32 | blahblahx | themill: does that seem like any files you know about? |
| 15:19.50 | wols | CuBe0wL: dpkg -l linux |grep linux |
| 15:19.51 | themill | blahblahx: kdm (at least) looks at your ~/.dmrc |
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| 15:20.05 | blahblahx | blahblahx: gdm here. |
| 15:20.06 | wols | CuBe0wL: sorry. dpkg -l linux* |grep linux |
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| 15:20.30 | wols | themill: gdm has a nice little field to choose the DE IIRC |
| 15:20.42 | wols | any by default it lists all install WMs and DEs |
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| 15:21.42 | blahblahx | themill: the comment by wols isn't relevant because im doing this cmdline from a chroot |
| 15:21.50 | blahblahx | themill: i would say that to him, but he has me on ignore. |
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| 15:22.01 | stew | not all, but all that are compliant with some sort of standard at freedesktop.org |
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| 15:23.25 | themill | blahblahx: there may be a way of doing it system-wide; but that's what alternatives system is for... |
| 15:23.40 | blahblahx | themill: okay ill look into that. |
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| 15:25.43 | leachim6_ | hey |
| 15:25.56 | leachim6_ | how can I get multiple monitors working on my dell inspiron 4000 |
| 15:26.05 | leachim6_ | I hooked up a second monitor to it , now what ? |
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| 15:26.29 | leachim6_ | I installed Xdmx , but I'm not sure how to get it working |
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| 15:28.24 | blahblahx | themill: the problem with the alternates is that Gnome/Openbox is not a DE> |
| 15:28.50 | cahoot | leachim6_: simply using xrandr doesn't do it for you? |
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| 15:28.57 | leachim6_ | cahoot: how do I do that ? |
| 15:29.03 | dirkson1 | Hey all. How do I check the version of an installed package? |
| 15:29.04 | leachim6_ | I thought xrandr was just for changing resolution |
| 15:29.14 | wols | dirkson1: dpkg -l <package> |
| 15:29.17 | leachim6_ | apt-get show <package> I think |
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| 15:29.23 | leachim6_ | Ohh ... installed |
| 15:29.26 | leachim6_ | yeah dpkg -l |
| 15:29.29 | cahoot | leachim6_: xrandr -q should list the displays |
| 15:29.31 | dirkson1 | Thanks : ) |
| 15:29.39 | leachim6_ | cahoot: do I have to do that in X ? |
| 15:29.43 | leachim6_ | I don't have X started right now |
| 15:29.44 | cahoot | yes |
| 15:29.48 | stew | leachim6_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:30.06 | leachim6_ | etch |
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| 15:30.27 | stew | i wonder if that is really going to work with xrandr on etch |
| 15:30.28 | leachim6_ | ohh duh , of course |
| 15:30.37 | leachim6_ | my xorg.conf only lists one display |
| 15:30.49 | leachim6_ | is there a simple way to get multiple monitors working ? |
| 15:30.55 | stew | leachim6_: you may want to read the xinerama howto |
| 15:30.59 | leachim6_ | link ? |
| 15:31.03 | blahblahx | themill: does this help? whatever the file i used before, it uses sessions from /usr/share/xsessions |
| 15:31.29 | leachim6_ | when is lenny actually coming out :( |
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| 15:31.38 | abrotman | what's wrong with the alternatives for the WM ? |
| 15:31.54 | leachim6_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.55 | stew | leachim6_: when it no longer has any release critical bugs |
| 15:31.59 | leachim6_ | like /etc/alternatives |
| 15:32.04 | blahblahx | themill: you still around? |
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| 15:32.08 | leachim6_ | stew: how high is the count on that right now ? |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | leachim6_: i did'nt mean for you |
| 15:32.12 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 15:32.12 | themill | blahblahx: no. ^^ what abrotman said |
| 15:32.12 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 15:32.15 | DocMAX78 | hello |
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| 15:32.33 | DocMAX78 | i need to know if my kernel really runs in multi-core mode |
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| 15:32.41 | DocMAX78 | how can i check this? |
| 15:32.48 | abrotman | DocMAX78: cat /proc/version .. see SMP anywhere ? |
| 15:32.49 | blahblahx | abrotman: because the only place Gnome/Openbox exists is in /usr/share/xsessions . It is not a DE. |
| 15:32.57 | DocMAX78 | ok one sec |
| 15:32.59 | abrotman | Gnome isn't a DE ? |
| 15:33.08 | stew | it is |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | i know it is |
| 15:33.22 | DocMAX78 | root@Debian:~# cat /proc/version |
| 15:33.22 | DocMAX78 | Linux version 2.6.25.7 (root@Debian) (gcc version 4.2.4 (Debian 4.2.4-2+b1)) #2 SMP Wed Jun 18 23:48:39 CEST 2008 |
| 15:33.25 | stew | that was a wierd question then |
| 15:33.25 | abrotman | blahblahx: if you use update-alternatives .. what are the options available |
| 15:33.28 | blahblahx | abrotman: gnome/openbox runs gnome but with openbox replacing metacity |
| 15:33.29 | CuBe0wL | re |
| 15:33.43 | leachim6_ | does xinerama work with xorg , because all the guides I see are using xfree |
| 15:33.46 | abrotman | stew: i know |
| 15:33.48 | themill | blahblahx: so won't update-alternatives --config x-window-manager show you openbox? |
| 15:33.51 | stew | leachim6_: yes |
| 15:34.01 | CuBe0wL | wols, sorry, I had a phone. results of dpkg -l linux* |grep linux : http://pastebin.com/fac02b83 |
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| 15:34.08 | DocMAX78 | abrotman |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | so it says SMP .. sounds good |
| 15:34.22 | jaggz- | bbl |
| 15:34.26 | blahblahx | themill: but the thing is, if you run the gnome/openbox session, you get a few nifty features. |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | DocMAX78: though you've compiled your own kernel . so no telling what you've goofed |
| 15:34.37 | DocMAX78 | ok, but most of my programs just utiltize 1 cpu |
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| 15:34.58 | leachim6_ | where can I get a guide to setting up xinerama with xorg ? |
| 15:35.03 | DocMAX78 | for example i run counter strike on wine |
| 15:35.04 | blahblahx | themill: i know you can just replace the default windowmanager with openbox, but there are a few shortcomings. |
| 15:35.04 | abrotman | that's because of the way the programs are written |
| 15:35.09 | stew | leachim6_: look for the xinerama howto |
| 15:35.13 | themill | blahblahx: you're going to need to explain how using openbox as the window manager is different to this gnome/openbox thing. |
| 15:35.23 | DocMAX78 | and i got only 50% cpu |
| 15:35.32 | DocMAX78 | (1 cpu at 100%) |
| 15:36.01 | DocMAX78 | something seems to be wrong... because it is stated that wine supports smp |
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| 15:36.21 | leachim6_ | stew: can you get me a link ... I did google it , but all of those guides use Xfree |
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| 15:36.31 | themill | DocMAX78: but does counter strike support SMP? |
| 15:36.38 | blahblahx | themill: if i just replace metacity with openbox, thats all that happens. if i run the gnome/openbox session, that happens plus some. for example the gnome/openbox session fixes a problem where you can't right click on a desktop icon, and it links the config for window manager in gnome-control-center to the openbox config manager. |
| 15:37.01 | stew | leachim6_: it works identically in xfree as xorg. just use a guide for xfree, but where it mentions XF86Config-4 or XF86Config, use xorg.conf |
| 15:37.13 | DocMAX78 | themill is this important? i thought wine should manage it |
| 15:37.44 | themill | DocMAX78: if the program only tries to do one thing at a time, then it only uses 1 CPU. That's all there is to it. |
| 15:37.48 | stew | DocMAX78: that is important, wine can only make the resources available to the application, it can't force the application to use them |
| 15:37.51 | leachim6_ | stew: is xorg a fork of xfree ? |
| 15:37.56 | stew | leachim6_: yes |
| 15:38.08 | leachim6_ | ohh , that explains a lot ... I was always confused about that |
| 15:38.14 | leachim6_ | Xorg seems a bit more modern |
| 15:38.25 | themill | blahblahx: so don't you just start openbox and then stick something in /etc/X11/xsession.d/ to start some other stuff. Anyway, can't really help you with any more than that. |
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| 15:38.40 | macoute_ | leachim6_: a bit yeah :) |
| 15:38.51 | SparFux1 | re |
| 15:39.00 | blahblahx | themill: i know what i am asking for is too specific. the only reason i am asking is because i did it before |
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| 15:39.04 | stew | leachim6_: at some point xfree changed its license to a non-free license, and xorg was forked from the previous version. xfree is all but dead now as a result |
| 15:39.06 | SparFux1 | crashed again |
| 15:39.15 | DocMAX78 | ok so i have to find out if cs source can do smp |
| 15:39.39 | ampex | DocMAX78: I don't believe so |
| 15:39.51 | ampex | DocMAX78: the VAST majority of games don't utilize multiple processors |
| 15:40.20 | hark | blahblahx: what's your question again? ;) |
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| 15:40.52 | stupidknight | How do/would you separate SQL from your business logic, NOT using an ORM layer (since the queries I'm required to do are to heavy for any ORM layer I've seen so far). I'm not fond of having SQL in my models? |
| 15:40.55 | leachim6_ | I connected my second monitor , did sudo X -configure |
| 15:41.00 | leachim6_ | did xinit , |
| 15:41.03 | leachim6_ | and now it doesn't work |
| 15:41.04 | blahblahx | hark: i was asking for the location of a file that allows you to define the default xsession from one of those in /usr/share/xsessions |
| 15:41.12 | leachim6_ | neither monitor works |
| 15:41.37 | stupidknight | er.. wrong channel |
| 15:41.48 | stupidknight | sorry about that |
| 15:41.53 | jair | so guys, if I am connecting remotely (ssh) to the server and I already resized the LV, I want to run the command e2fsck on root, the LV I resized, but I can't since is mounted. Is there a way i can mount root read only without have to restart the system? |
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| 15:42.00 | blahblahx | hark: have any idea what i am talkign about? |
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| 15:42.08 | leachim6_ | so anyway |
| 15:42.19 | leachim6_ | X doesn't work now (I kept a backup) with either monitor |
| 15:42.24 | wols | CuBe0wL: you still have no kernel installed at all. something is not right there |
| 15:42.44 | jair | I try to mount it while the machine is up and running and I got an error => "mount -o -ro /dev/mapper/p8-root" and I am getting this => http://paste.debian.net/7507 |
| 15:42.46 | stew | jair: mount -o remount,ro /mountpoint |
| 15:43.03 | CuBe0wL | wols, at least the system thinks it I don't have a kernel installed |
| 15:43.13 | hark | blahblahx: update-alternatives? x-session-manager? |
| 15:43.19 | ampex | jair: type it exactly how stew did |
| 15:43.19 | jair | stew: let me try that |
| 15:43.24 | jair | ampex: ok |
| 15:43.32 | blahblahx | hark: are you talking about those seperately or together? |
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| 15:44.19 | hark | blahblahx: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
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| 15:44.30 | blahblahx | hark: what does that do? |
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| 15:46.17 | jair | stew: done :) |
| 15:46.21 | jair | stew: that works |
| 15:46.33 | jair | now I will be able to run the command e2fsck |
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| 15:47.38 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: compiled kernel yourself? |
| 15:47.40 | DocMAX78 | i searched the net and source seems to support SMP. so where is my problem? |
| 15:47.46 | CuBe0wL | Bushmills, yes |
| 15:48.07 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: and when it was compiled, what did you do with it? |
| 15:48.15 | blahblahx | hark: that command lists: /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 15:48.31 | CuBe0wL | Bush dpkg -i linux-image... |
| 15:48.49 | CuBe0wL | Bushmills, dpkg -i linux-image... |
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| 15:49.19 | blahblahx | hark: no mention of gnome/openbox |
| 15:49.27 | wols | CuBe0wL: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-* |
| 15:49.39 | wols | there should be scripts for each kernel be in there |
| 15:49.44 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: ok, so you used make-kpkg to create a .deb woth the compiled kernel |
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| 15:50.05 | CuBe0wL | Bushmills, yes, wols, I'll look for that |
| 15:50.16 | blahblahx | hark: you still here? |
| 15:51.27 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: and your .deb file was linux-image-xxxxx . does it show with dpkg -l ? |
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| 15:52.02 | DocMAX78 | can i test if SMP is working properly on my system? |
| 15:52.07 | hark | blahblahx: gnome/openbox just runs /usr/bin/openbox-gnome-session |
| 15:52.29 | stew | DocMAX78: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' should list one cpu per core |
| 15:52.49 | blahblahx | hark: so.... |
| 15:53.03 | jair | ampex: stew I though it was mounted read only => http://paste.debian.net/7508 |
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| 15:53.19 | CuBe0wL | Bushmills, http://pastebin.com/m40859f7e |
| 15:53.29 | jair | that file system is still mounted :( |
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| 15:54.00 | blahblahx | hark: what does that mean |
| 15:54.07 | stew | jair: you put an extra space after the , |
| 15:54.16 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: so that's all good |
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| 15:54.43 | CuBe0wL | should be, I'm running that kernel atm |
| 15:55.06 | hark | blahblahx: i don't think i follow what's the issue here, let me read the lastlog |
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| 15:55.31 | jair | stew: yes :( |
| 15:55.35 | jair | I will check again |
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| 15:55.36 | DocMAX78 | stew ok, but is it actually using SMP? |
| 15:55.54 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: oops, then i missed the problem. i understood that your system thinks that you don't have a kernel installed |
| 15:56.01 | stew | DocMAX78: what is "it"? |
| 15:56.36 | wols | CuBe0wL: are the debconf scripts there? |
| 15:56.37 | jair | stew: :( if I remove the space and run the command again I get this => "mount: / is busy" |
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| 15:56.57 | CuBe0wL | wols, yes |
| 15:57.00 | stew | jair: you'd have to make sure all files opened as readwrite are closed |
| 15:57.01 | wols | CuBe0wL: it's obviously not a direct problem right now but dpkg not knowing about your kernels points to a problem of the dpkg DB |
| 15:57.10 | stew | jair: can you switch to single-user mode? |
| 15:57.25 | wols | CuBe0wL: now that your headers are installed the make run should work |
| 15:57.46 | jair | to switch to single mode what do i need to do, also will I loose the ssh connection on single mode? |
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| 15:58.04 | CuBe0wL | nope, like I said a few lines earlier, make install still gives error |
| 15:58.08 | stew | jair: yes, you would lose your ssh connection |
| 15:58.30 | stew | jair: this is not something you could do remotely |
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| 15:59.47 | jair | stew: I really appreciate your time but, that is the answer I has been looking for sisnce this morning "remount root as read only is something i can not do while the machine is in use!!!!!" Thnak you Thank you thank you! |
| 15:59.48 | blahblahx | hark: all i want to do is change the default session on my livecd (i am in a chroot) from the gnome session to the gnome/openbox session. |
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| 16:00.23 | jair | stew: that is something very simple but importnat for other linux users. |
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| 16:00.38 | suwro | hello |
| 16:00.43 | jair | stew: specially the ones not too experienced on working with file systems |
| 16:00.45 | blahblahx | hark: like you would from the session dropdown menu in GDM. |
| 16:00.45 | DocMAX78 | ok i run an SMP enabled cpu test |
| 16:00.58 | DocMAX78 | and only CPU2 goes to the peak |
| 16:01.06 | jair | stew: so I think all I need to do is: 1) reboot the system typing init 1 |
| 16:01.08 | DocMAX78 | something is wrong with my SMP!! |
| 16:01.09 | suwro | i have a question - which raid is copy 4? |
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| 16:01.38 | stew | jair: "init 1" doesn't reboot your system, it puts it into single user mode |
| 16:01.45 | jair | stew: 2) go locally to the machine and run the command "e2fsck" while the system is running on read only. |
| 16:01.51 | suwro | jair: init 6 is boot |
| 16:01.52 | stew | jair: if you want to force / to fsck, "touch /forcefsck ; reboot" |
| 16:02.06 | DocMAX78 | anyone please??? |
| 16:02.24 | stew | DocMAX78: both CPUs are being used? |
| 16:02.31 | jair | stew: so I can do the e2fsck at the next boot? |
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| 16:02.41 | DocMAX78 | when running the test only CPU1 goest to 100% |
| 16:02.46 | stew | jair: yes, if you "touch /forcefsk" it will fsck when you reboot |
| 16:02.48 | DocMAX78 | the other is about 10% |
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| 16:02.53 | jair | after it does the check will the machine come back in multiuser mode? |
| 16:03.00 | stew | DocMAX78: then there isn't anything wrong with your SMP |
| 16:03.07 | vsd | i'm doing from a script : DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install postfix |
| 16:03.10 | jair | stew: ohhhh that is a way to do it if I am remotely then |
| 16:03.12 | jair | :) |
| 16:03.18 | DocMAX78 | but both have to go to 100% or not? |
| 16:03.23 | vsd | and i get Warning: Newline present in parameters passed to debconf. |
| 16:03.24 | vsd | This will probably cause strange things to happen! |
| 16:03.38 | stew | DocMAX78: if you are using more than one cpu, you have a working SMP system |
| 16:04.05 | vsd | how can i fix this? |
| 16:04.15 | DocMAX78 | ok, but i never get 100% on both cpus!!! |
| 16:04.22 | DocMAX78 | in windows it worked |
| 16:04.34 | vjoe | http://www.opendesigns.org/ |
| 16:04.40 | vjoe | I am using firefox 3 for the first time |
| 16:04.51 | vjoe | and it appears a black square |
| 16:04.54 | stew | DocMAX78: then i'd guess that the test is not valid. how is it ensuring that it would use both CPUs? |
| 16:04.54 | DocMAX78 | vjoe how is it? |
| 16:04.57 | vjoe | instead of the thumbnails |
| 16:05.02 | vjoe | why is that? |
| 16:05.12 | vjoe | (referring to the website I pointed) |
| 16:05.28 | DocMAX78 | stew: here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/glibench |
| 16:05.35 | DocMAX78 | this is that i use |
| 16:05.43 | DocMAX78 | it uses smp |
| 16:06.06 | suwro | question: I have 2 hdd and a raid hardware device - If I set raid 1 - all data from those hdd will be lost - right? |
| 16:06.16 | DocMAX78 | right |
| 16:06.39 | jair | stew: you should add this to the (bot) on this channel => "check the root filesystem with e2fsck, can not be done while the machine is in multiuser group. Instead I can run "touch /forcefsck ; reboot" and have the file system been check without have to switch user mode"" |
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| 16:07.02 | jair | stew: you got the idea |
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| 16:07.16 | suwro | ok - If I dd the hdd1 then make the raid 1 device - then boot from cdrom and dd back to raid - will teoretically work - anyone did that? |
| 16:07.22 | hark | blahblahx: i see, you can select the default one from update-alternatives --config x-session-manager. It would be set to gnome-session, change it to the openbox one you need. |
| 16:07.32 | cahoot | vjoe: no answer to your problem, but the site looks fine her in ff3 |
| 16:07.47 | vsd | anyone? |
| 16:08.02 | vjoe | strange.. |
| 16:08.07 | vjoe | are you using the rc2? |
| 16:08.10 | vjoe | the one in the repos |
| 16:08.27 | vsd | stew can you help? how can i automate postfix install with a script? |
| 16:08.29 | suwro | vsd: which package? - your own made? |
| 16:08.33 | cahoot | vjoe: no some nightly build |
| 16:08.42 | vsd | suwro, no the one at the etch repos |
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| 16:09.06 | suwro | vsd: come again please - what do you want to do? |
| 16:09.20 | suwro | install postfix and put your config inside ? |
| 16:09.36 | vsd | suwro, no simpler than that. install postfix. just that |
| 16:09.47 | suwro | apt-get install postfix |
| 16:09.48 | vsd | suwro, DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install postfix |
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| 16:10.13 | DocMAX78 | i need a guide configuring kernel with intel core duo 1 cpu (T2300)... anyone? |
| 16:10.16 | blahblahx | hark: would gnome/openbox show up? |
| 16:10.20 | suwro | aptitude... why do you ppl use aptitude? it's a frontend to apt-get |
| 16:10.21 | vsd | suwro, im using that^^. i want to do it from a script so i cannot get prompts or ncurses menus |
| 16:10.40 | jair | stew: would this work? => "touch /e2fsck -f ; reboot"? |
| 16:10.47 | suwro | you can set that too |
| 16:10.56 | vsd | suwro, why not use aptitude. i've heard debian people recommend aptitude over apt-get |
| 16:10.57 | suwro | vsd: lemme ck. |
| 16:11.13 | cahoot | jair: forcefsck? |
| 16:11.16 | stew | jair: that would not work |
| 16:11.26 | suwro | vsd: the ones who recomend-it are not debian users. - maybe ubuntu ones. |
| 16:11.46 | wols | DocMAX78: why? |
| 16:11.52 | suwro | vsd: WE ARE PROUD OF APT SUPERCOW POWERS |
| 16:11.57 | cahoot | jair: shutdown -rf ? |
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| 16:11.58 | rahul | suwro: please get your facts straight |
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| 16:12.10 | jair | stew: so e2fsck what it does is, call fsck? |
| 16:12.12 | wols | suwro: wrong. aptitude is the official debian apt for etch |
| 16:12.14 | rahul | suwro: I've never heard of an ubuntu user who knows of aptitude |
| 16:12.18 | wols | suwro: apt-get isn't it anymore |
| 16:12.28 | rahul | suwro: aptitude isn't a frontend for apt-get |
| 16:12.29 | stew | jair: fsck call e2fsck |
| 16:12.36 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 16:12.37 | jair | :) |
| 16:13.02 | suwro | rahul: ok - apt-get is a frontend to dpkg - aptitude is whatever is. |
| 16:13.02 | rahul | suwro: aptitude was written by debian. aptitude is the tool to be used for upgrading to etch correctly. |
| 16:13.10 | hark | blahblahx: yes, it should then |
| 16:13.11 | jair | so i will type it exactly with the spaces you told me, just taking off the quotes |
| 16:13.13 | vsd | anyone that can aswer my question? |
| 16:13.13 | stew | jair: well, actaully fsck calls fsck.* |
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| 16:13.21 | stew | jair: you will type what? |
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| 16:13.40 | suwro | rahul: I am a debian user since looooooong time ago - 10 years - never used aptitude - got apt-get and apt-cache. |
| 16:13.42 | jair | stew: "touch /forcefsck ; reboot" |
| 16:13.43 | wols | vsd: /msg dpkg why aptitude /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 16:13.54 | wols | suwro: you are still wrong |
| 16:13.55 | suwro | when aptitude came - I saw it - and I found nothing usefull. |
| 16:14.02 | jair | stew: but I need to run "e2fsck" not fsck :( |
| 16:14.11 | vsd | wols, no that was not the primary one. i meant the automating postfix install through a script one |
| 16:14.12 | rahul | suwro: then you clearly didn't look |
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| 16:14.16 | maligor | suwro, time to move on ;) |
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| 16:14.30 | stew | jair: you don't need to run anything, rebooting with that file present will cause init to run fsck on each partition |
| 16:14.36 | suwro | rahul: i feel myself good with apt-get/cache than aptitude. |
| 16:14.45 | stew | jair: (well each partition marked with a 1 or 2 in passno in /etc/fstab) |
| 16:14.46 | rahul | suwro: your loss. |
| 16:14.53 | maligor | yeh, I almost automatically type apt-get/cache |
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| 16:15.11 | suwro | rahul: this is my oppinion - and you can't change it. - so - you may use aptitude if you wish... but I still remain on apt |
| 16:15.16 | rahul | vsd: it's DEBCONF_FRONTEND you're trying to set, I think. also, man debconf |
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| 16:15.18 | maligor | maybe I should alias them to aptitude, heh |
| 16:15.37 | rahul | suwro: your opinion conflicts with the official debian stance. |
| 16:16.01 | rahul | suwro: so you may use apt-get if you wish, but we will still recommend aptitude :) |
| 16:16.09 | jair | stew: ??? you are confusing me now => should I do this or not? ---> "touch /forcefsck ; reboot" |
| 16:16.16 | DocMAX78 | wols. cause i think my kernel is not optimal comfigured for my cpu |
| 16:16.18 | vsd | rahul, no it's not |
| 16:16.37 | wols | !gentoosmite DocMAX78 |
| 16:16.37 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling DocMAX78, and when it's all done, DocMAX78 runs 0.4% faster than previously |
| 16:16.38 | suwro | rahul: ok - let |
| 16:16.44 | vsd | i want to not receive an ncurses menu asking me for postfix configuration!! |
| 16:16.47 | rahul | vsd: man 7 debconf, to be more specific |
| 16:16.49 | wols | DocMAX78: the 686 kernel is all you need |
| 16:16.50 | moshii | Windows VM's in virtualbox have the right time, Debian ones are an hour fast :/ |
| 16:16.57 | rahul | vsd: uh, then you should read what I said |
| 16:16.59 | jair | so do you know what is the difference between fsck and e2fsck? |
| 16:16.59 | vsd | rahul, yes that does it |
| 16:16.59 | DocMAX78 | hahahaha |
| 16:17.09 | vsd | but it seems like a bug, it says i have a newline |
| 16:17.29 | rahul | vsd: your pre-seeded config was probably bad |
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| 16:17.48 | DocMAX78 | ok, so why does none of my programs utilitiesize my cpu at 100% ??? |
| 16:17.53 | jair | cahoot: I think that you are right, that will call fsck after reboot |
| 16:17.55 | DocMAX78 | this is really strange |
| 16:17.59 | rahul | DocMAX78: because they don't need it |
| 16:18.02 | suwro | rahul: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-apt-show-versions |
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| 16:18.12 | rahul | DocMAX78: install folding@home or something if you want to use all your CPU |
| 16:18.14 | cahoot | jair: capital F though |
| 16:18.19 | suwro | rahul: aptitude does not handle /etc/apt sources |
| 16:18.22 | jair | right right |
| 16:18.25 | rahul | suwro: so? |
| 16:18.26 | DocMAX78 | of course they need |
| 16:18.27 | suwro | rahul: apt does. |
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| 16:18.35 | DocMAX78 | i run cs source on wine |
| 16:18.36 | jair | I will go see the server booting |
| 16:18.47 | jair | stew: I run the command => "touch /forcefsck ; reboot" |
| 16:18.48 | suwro | rahul: so you have a tool over a tool over another tool - that's aptitude |
| 16:18.49 | DocMAX78 | and this just takes only one cpu?? |
| 16:18.51 | rahul | suwro: what do you mean "/etc/apt" sources? |
| 16:18.57 | jair | i guess that is what you were telling me to do |
| 16:18.58 | rahul | suwro: aptitude does not use apt-get |
| 16:19.05 | jair | stew: ? |
| 16:19.24 | wols | suwro: you describe synaptic, NOT aptitude |
| 16:19.32 | suwro | rahul: the link I gave you it's form debian book - I can;t see no aptitude there... |
| 16:19.33 | DocMAX78 | for example i run cs source on wine |
| 16:19.37 | suwro | rahul: can you? |
| 16:19.39 | rahul | suwro: you can do that with aptitude quite easily, if I understand what that is |
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| 16:19.43 | DocMAX78 | and a hdtv movie in mplayer |
| 16:19.51 | wols | !aptitude |
| 16:19.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 16:19.55 | rahul | suwro: it's in the install docs for etch |
| 16:19.56 | DocMAX78 | still no 100% on both CPU!! |
| 16:20.13 | rahul | DocMAX78: oh noes!!!! your computer is too fast!!! |
| 16:20.14 | suwro | wols: the word "IS NOW" does have any meaning? |
| 16:20.17 | suwro | IS NOW? |
| 16:20.19 | jair | stew: I will go check the server |
| 16:20.20 | wols | suwro: sinec etch |
| 16:20.20 | CuBe0wL | wols, I've sorted out the problem |
| 16:20.25 | suwro | as from now on... |
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| 16:20.28 | jair | I will be back in a couple of minutes |
| 16:20.29 | wols | suwro: do you have a debian support problem? |
| 16:20.32 | CuBe0wL | wols, : STABLE API FTW! |
| 16:20.38 | wols | CuBe0wL: what was it? |
| 16:20.45 | suwro | wols: no - just an ishue about apt and aptitude. |
| 16:20.46 | DocMAX78 | its not to fast!!! cause i have poor framerate!! |
| 16:21.00 | ghostdog | I can't believe you're arguing over apt/aptitude |
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| 16:21.04 | wols | DocMAX78: glxinfo |grep -i direct |
| 16:21.08 | ghostdog | Seriously... |
| 16:21.14 | ghostdog | Who fucking cares. |
| 16:21.16 | suwro | what if i prefer apt-get instead aptitude - will you shoot me? |
| 16:21.26 | themill | suwro: yes, if you don't shut up about it |
| 16:21.26 | wols | suwro: no. but please drop it now |
| 16:21.34 | rahul | suwro: doing what that command does is really easy with aptitude |
| 16:21.34 | suwro | k |
| 16:21.40 | CuBe0wL | wols, it has turned out, that there's a new driver, that is compatible with 2.6.25.8 |
| 16:21.41 | DocMAX78 | root@Debian:~# glxinfo |grep -i direct |
| 16:21.41 | DocMAX78 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 16:21.59 | wols | DocMAX78: a new kernel won't speed up your CS |
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| 16:22.10 | wols | DocMAX78: uname -a |
| 16:22.10 | DocMAX78 | no |
| 16:22.12 | rahul | hell. it's a lot easier than that with apt-get for that matter |
| 16:22.21 | wols | rahul: drop it |
| 16:22.23 | rahul | who maintains that doc? it's like 5 years out of date |
| 16:22.25 | suwro | I was asking what aptitude can do and apt-get can't -- if noone read the manual - then it can;t and it's much easy with aptitude. - subject closed. |
| 16:22.29 | CuBe0wL | wols, there are some changes in V4L subsystem in 2.6.25.8, that made the driver incompatible |
| 16:22.33 | rahul | wols: someone should update that doc |
| 16:22.36 | DocMAX78 | but windows utliz. both cpus at 100%!!! |
| 16:22.38 | wols | suwro: you've been told via dpkg factoid. now STOP |
| 16:22.43 | DocMAX78 | better framerate |
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| 16:22.58 | DocMAX78 | root@Debian:~# uname -a |
| 16:22.58 | DocMAX78 | Linux Debian 2.6.25.7 #2 SMP Wed Jun 18 23:48:39 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:23.00 | wols | DocMAX78: then ask Valve. it's their shit. not ours |
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| 16:23.15 | CuBe0wL | wols, downloaded the latest one, compiled it, and I'm ready to start a skype conversation with webcam now :) |
| 16:23.27 | DocMAX78 | is calling Valve right now |
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| 16:23.33 | wols | good luck |
| 16:23.35 | CuBe0wL | wols, Bushmills thx for trying ti help me |
| 16:23.49 | CuBe0wL | bye all |
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| 16:24.08 | bonez45 | I get the following error when attempting to connect to Undernet, but never when connecting here to freenode... WHY?????????? Disconnected. ERROR :Closing Link: bonez45 by Dallas.TX.US.Undernet.org ([klined] You shouldnt IRC from a mailserver.) |
| 16:24.19 | DocMAX78 | wols: but the linux people try to run othermans bullshit properly |
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| 16:24.31 | moshii | bonez45: it's doing a portscan and seeing a mailserver running |
| 16:24.32 | DocMAX78 | in which they didnt succeed |
| 16:24.35 | vsd | someone help. debconf --frontend=noninteractive bash -x aptitude -y install postfix <---this doesn't work |
| 16:24.37 | themill | suwro: you might like to read things for yourself; you've already been offered some things that it can do better; see also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-pkgmgmt |
| 16:24.42 | avu | bonez45, well, OFTC seems to check if you IRC from a mailserver while freenode doesn't? :) |
| 16:24.44 | wols | DocMAX78: it'S not debian, not debian software. end of it. but what we can tell you: a new kernel won't help |
| 16:24.45 | DocMAX78 | !wine |
| 16:24.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 16:24.46 | rahul | vsd: your preseeding file is corrupt! |
| 16:24.48 | avu | bonez45, also, this is offtopic here |
| 16:24.50 | suwro | themill: ok |
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| 16:25.12 | vsd | i get /usr/bin/aptitude: /usr/bin/aptitude: cannot execute binary file |
| 16:25.17 | wols | bonez45: it probably checks some open ports and finds one of a mailserver and disconnects you |
| 16:25.22 | DocMAX78 | !virtualbox |
| 16:25.22 | dpkg | methinks virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:25.33 | DocMAX78 | !bullshit |
| 16:25.33 | dpkg | DRINK! |
| 16:25.37 | DocMAX78 | lol |
| 16:25.38 | rahul | vsd: ok... now you've gone and broken something else... |
| 16:25.43 | wols | !botsnack |
| 16:25.43 | dpkg | wols: aw, gee |
| 16:25.46 | DocMAX78 | whats that crazy wiki? |
| 16:25.51 | rahul | vsd: are you sure your disk is not failing? |
| 16:26.06 | vsd | rahul, yes |
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| 16:26.13 | DocMAX78 | !starwars |
| 16:26.14 | dpkg | starwars is probably actually a movie about samurais in jamaica on the ganja (<LIM>) |
| 16:26.17 | abrotman | DocMAX78: msg the bot .. |
| 16:26.22 | DocMAX78 | hahahaha |
| 16:26.25 | wols | DocMAX78: don't abuse please |
| 16:26.26 | suwro | LOL |
| 16:26.26 | DocMAX78 | the bot is cool |
| 16:26.28 | vsd | rahul, does that line work for you? |
| 16:26.29 | abrotman | MSG IT |
| 16:26.38 | DocMAX78 | !women |
| 16:26.38 | dpkg | i heard women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html, or http://xkcd.com/322/ |
| 16:26.48 | DocMAX78 | hahaahha |
| 16:26.48 | abrotman | DocMAX78: MSG THE DAMN BOT |
| 16:26.51 | wols | !tell DocMAX78 about msg the bot |
| 16:26.59 | DocMAX78 | ok |
| 16:27.13 | DocMAX78 | !whothefuckiswols |
| 16:27.19 | DocMAX78 | lol |
| 16:27.27 | JyZyXEL | !wols |
| 16:27.30 | abrotman | DocMAX78: you're going to get yourself kicked from the channel |
| 16:27.41 | DocMAX78 | no entry |
| 16:27.46 | rahul | vsd: er, that's not at all how you're supposed to do that |
| 16:27.55 | rahul | vsd: man 7 debconf... you shouldn't be calling it directly |
| 16:28.12 | DocMAX78 | is shaking his balls |
| 16:28.26 | themill | ew? |
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| 16:29.32 | kombi | which is the kernel version in etch? 2.6.22? |
| 16:29.41 | wols | 2.6.18 |
| 16:29.53 | rahul | why do so many people ask that question? |
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| 16:29.53 | kombi | thanks wols! so I did hand roll that one.. |
| 16:30.02 | DocMAX78 | GOT IT!!! |
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| 16:30.07 | JyZyXEL | i have etch with 2.6.24 |
| 16:30.10 | DocMAX78 | its in kernel config!!! |
| 16:30.18 | DocMAX78 | "PROCESSOR FAMILY" |
| 16:30.20 | suwro | rahul: you were right - my mistake. |
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| 16:47.20 | kombi | to configure a kernel just like the running one, where's that file again? |
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| 16:47.54 | rahul | it depends if you kept it |
| 16:48.06 | rahul | kernel-package would put it in /boot/config-x.x.x |
| 16:48.14 | kombi | rahul: true, I thought it was in boot somewhere.. |
| 16:48.17 | vsd | rahul, i don't want to be introduced to an ncurses interface! |
| 16:48.23 | kombi | there it is..;) |
| 16:48.25 | vsd | rahul, i want to call it from a script |
| 16:48.28 | cahoot | kombi: debian tends to keep a /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:48.34 | rahul | vsd: man 7 debconf. for fuck's sake. |
| 16:49.25 | vsd | rahul, No manual entry for debconf in section 7 |
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| 16:49.55 | rahul | !find 7/debconf |
| 16:51.26 | vsd | how can i see the concentrated load of all apache processes? |
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| 16:52.46 | kombi | rahul: hmm, I thought one loads that file in make menuconfig? |
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| 16:53.03 | kombi | or do you copy it to .config in the src dir? |
| 16:53.06 | rahul | kombi: copy it to kernel-src-x.x.x/.config and then make oldconfig |
| 16:53.17 | themill | vsd: package debconf-doc |
| 16:53.17 | kombi | thanks rahul! |
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| 17:00.32 | JyZyXEL | Linux foundation has asked nVidia to release more open drivers |
| 17:00.43 | Jygga | i did that too ! |
| 17:00.53 | Jygga | got no response tho :) |
| 17:00.59 | vsd | how can i find out which apache pid is serving which site? |
| 17:01.01 | JyZyXEL | :-P |
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| 17:01.21 | JyZyXEL | Jygga no link to the sources of the nvidia firmware? |
| 17:01.59 | wols | vsd: lsof |
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| 17:02.13 | JyZyXEL | and CAD files for the PCB design |
| 17:02.14 | wols | vsd: but there is no single PID serving a single site only |
| 17:02.25 | wols | vsd: if a PID is "free" it gets the next request no matter from where |
| 17:02.50 | wols | Jygga: they got a reponse. nvidia said there is "no need" |
| 17:02.55 | wols | Jygga: but this is OT |
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| 17:03.01 | Bushmills | and after it has served a certain number of requests, it gets killed |
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| 17:04.24 | vsd | wols, well lsof output does not show me which apache process corresponds to which site |
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| 17:05.14 | oliver_xyz | hey |
| 17:05.30 | oliver_xyz | is backports.org an "official" debian project? |
| 17:05.50 | oliver_xyz | I didn't find anything on debian.org regarding rthat site :-( |
| 17:06.00 | Bushmills | vsd: think in terms of "pool" |
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| 17:06.36 | oliver_xyz | (so from a paranoid pov I must assume it's a fake page, trying to infect me with malicious packages...) |
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| 17:07.01 | vsd | Bushmills, yes but my problem is trying to understand which vhost hogs the server |
| 17:07.03 | Bushmills | vsd, and imagine your server has 10 virtual hosts configured, but only 5 apache processes are waiting.. how would you match one process per site then? |
| 17:07.15 | humbolt | I have lots of clicks when sound recording on my system. might be pulse, might be alsa |
| 17:07.23 | wols | vsd: it does. cause this apache reads a file from that site right now when it's serving it |
| 17:07.28 | vsd | i don't know, is there a way to identify that? |
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| 17:08.42 | cahoot | humbolt: if no answer here I'd try #lad |
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| 17:09.49 | humbolt | cahoot: will try that |
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| 17:11.07 | Bushmills | vsd: http://site/server-status could help but needs to be enabled on server side first |
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| 17:11.27 | vsd | Bushmills, what does that do? |
| 17:11.27 | Bushmills | it shows both PIDs and vhosts |
| 17:12.35 | Bushmills | vsd: here is an example output: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214327520462236237.png |
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| 17:13.28 | tcltk | hello |
| 17:13.36 | vsd | Bushmills, hm how can i enable it server-side? |
| 17:13.50 | Bushmills | vsd: just enable the server status module. |
| 17:13.55 | tcltk | apt auto upgraded some package and now compiz does not works, i was googleing and it was xserver-xorg |
| 17:14.09 | tcltk | i reinstalled the nvidia drivers but it still dont works, compiz-check says all ok |
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| 17:18.02 | ec_ | tcltk: are you in X right now? |
| 17:18.17 | humbolt | cahoot: no response, neither here nor there! |
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| 17:18.31 | humbolt | cahoot: Audio support is oh so bad in Linux! |
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| 17:18.39 | tcltk | ec_: yes |
| 17:18.44 | tcltk | kde |
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| 17:19.18 | humbolt | cahoot: I am hacking around on this for hours now, and all I want to do is record voice for a screencast without 1,000,000 clicks in it! |
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| 17:20.05 | cahoot | humbolt: no errors from the recording app? underruns or such? |
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| 17:20.57 | humbolt | cahoot: yes, I get this on pulse: D: memblock.c: Memory block too large for pool: 17720 > 16376 |
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| 17:21.10 | n-iCe | How can I install a clean debian version? |
| 17:21.23 | humbolt | cahoot: but I can't find anything on google telling me how to fix that. |
| 17:21.27 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 17:21.27 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 17:21.33 | valdyn | n-iCe: ^^ |
| 17:21.43 | cahoot | humbolt: disable pulse-audio? is this on debian btw? |
| 17:21.45 | n-iCe | valdyn, yes? |
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| 17:22.00 | valdyn | n-iCe: read what dpkg said. |
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| 17:22.12 | humbolt | cahoot: well, actually this does not work with nor without pulse! |
| 17:22.12 | n-iCe | I downloaded it |
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| 17:22.19 | n-iCe | I am installing it indeed |
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| 17:22.28 | n-iCe | But to make a minimal installation? |
| 17:22.31 | n-iCe | to create |
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| 17:22.42 | n-iCe | it is on installing base system |
| 17:22.50 | humbolt | cahoot: do you know how I can find out which default setting alsa is running on? |
| 17:22.55 | valdyn | n-iCe: its minimal from there an as long as you do not pick any task later on |
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| 17:23.14 | n-iCe | On what kind of installation I want, what should I select? |
| 17:23.16 | n-iCe | Just laptop? |
| 17:23.23 | valdyn | n-iCe: nothing, since you want minimal |
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| 17:23.33 | n-iCe | valdyn, oh, really? |
| 17:23.39 | n-iCe | Then let me unselect all |
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| 17:23.57 | n-iCe | valdyn, anyway will it load all the drivers? or minimal drivers as well valdyn ? |
| 17:24.12 | valdyn | n-iCe: drivers arent affected by this |
| 17:24.15 | n-iCe | good |
| 17:24.20 | robeph | how is fedora compared to debian? |
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| 17:24.25 | valdyn | robeph: different |
| 17:24.31 | cahoot | humbolt: what do you use for recording? |
| 17:24.32 | n-iCe | thank you, let's see what happen |
| 17:24.39 | valdyn | robeph: at least supposedly, this is the wrong channel to ask |
| 17:25.02 | robeph | valdyn: if I'm asking a comparison between two distros, one of which I'm in the channel for? |
| 17:25.05 | n-iCe | valdyn, all hardy drivers must be inside debian etech? |
| 17:25.16 | robeph | the same could be say for the inverse in asking in #fedora, as to how debian compares |
| 17:25.23 | valdyn | n-iCe: this is the wrong channel to ask about hardy |
| 17:25.39 | n-iCe | valdyn, I asked if debian includes the same drivers as hardy |
| 17:25.42 | valdyn | robeph: maybe, but thats none of my business |
| 17:25.53 | robeph | valdyn: i see. |
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| 17:26.02 | valdyn | n-iCe: stop asking about ubuntu |
| 17:26.20 | n-iCe | I asked about debian :| |
| 17:26.26 | valdyn | n-iCe: yea right |
| 17:26.32 | Bushmills | dpkg, tell robeph about rules_sucks |
| 17:26.33 | humbolt | cahoot: the gnome sound recorder |
| 17:26.34 | robeph | n-iCe: yeah, but its his job to tell people not to ask questions in here. |
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| 17:26.40 | valdyn | n-iCe: kernels are pretty similar across all distros |
| 17:27.17 | n-iCe | If I remove desktop enviroment will be installed on console mode? |
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| 17:27.26 | valdyn | n-iCe: yes |
| 17:27.27 | n-iCe | from the software selection I mean |
| 17:27.29 | n-iCe | oh, no |
| 17:27.31 | n-iCe | I want a desktop :p |
| 17:27.41 | zyx386 | can i install or uppdate software on Debian live CD |
| 17:27.47 | valdyn | n-iCe: pick whatever you want, thats just certainly not "minimal" |
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| 17:27.49 | zyx386 | ?? |
| 17:27.55 | cahoot | humbolt: I'd make a try with ecasound - command line, doesn't waste resources |
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| 17:28.37 | tbruno | whats with all the spamers in #debian today? |
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| 17:29.19 | Bushmills | n-iCe: make up your mind. first minimal, now desktop. |
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| 17:30.25 | rdz | hi all. i am running a daemon on a tcp socket, that sometimes crashes. the problem when it crashes is, that i sometimes cannot restart it anymore and it says: 'bind socket <socket number> already in use' , although the last process was completely killed. now i found the sysctls in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ and i would like to know, if it is possible to tweak one of this file so, that i can immediately restart the daemon after it crashed. |
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| 17:30.53 | n-iCe | Bushmills, oh, I am installing desktop and laptop software |
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| 17:30.56 | zyx386 | can install or update software on Debian live CD???? |
| 17:30.57 | rdz | i don't have a clue, though, how those files are supposed to work |
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| 17:31.02 | n-iCe | will take 20 m seems cool |
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| 17:31.39 | Kumool | iv only had 1 spammer today |
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| 17:31.47 | valdyn | rdz: killed how? kill -9? |
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| 17:31.50 | n-iCe | where, mailbox ? |
| 17:31.56 | rdz | valdyn, yup |
| 17:32.03 | valdyn | rdz: why -9 ? |
| 17:32.32 | rdz | valdyn, actually i can't tell. i thought that would kill it 'more completely' |
| 17:32.41 | valdyn | rdz: -9 is the worst choice |
| 17:32.46 | valdyn | !kill-9 |
| 17:32.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
| 17:32.48 | rdz | valdyn, iirc, i also tried to just kill it, but it didn't help |
| 17:32.57 | valdyn | rdz: thats possible |
| 17:33.23 | valdyn | rdz: read what dpkg said. The port might still be free in a while |
| 17:33.32 | tcltk | apt auto upgraded some package and now compiz does not works, i was googleing and it was xserver-xorg, i reinstalled nvidia driver and compiz but still does not works |
| 17:33.38 | valdyn | rdz: if its not, or if you cannot wait, reboot is the only option |
| 17:33.42 | rdz | valdyn, however, most of the time, there is no need to kill it, because when it crashes, it exits, so that it is not running anymore |
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| 17:33.56 | cgibin | morning, |
| 17:33.59 | cgibin | in sshd_config got the TCPKeepAlive yes" however it disconnects me after 2min, how do i disable the session not to disconnect |
| 17:33.59 | valdyn | rdz: in that case the port should be free instantly |
| 17:34.01 | rdz | valdyn, isn't there a time i could set? |
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| 17:34.07 | valdyn | rdz: no |
| 17:34.17 | rdz | valdyn, yeah, i know that reboot works.. but it is the most ugly way |
| 17:34.44 | rdz | valdyn, however, good to know, that there is _no_ solution for such an issue. thanks for the info |
| 17:34.46 | humbolt | is ecasound capable of recording through pulse? I guess not |
| 17:35.01 | ec_ | tcltk: are you using the nvidia driver now? |
| 17:35.01 | valdyn | rdz: the solution is there, but its not that easy |
| 17:35.15 | rdz | valdyn, in what direction does it lead? |
| 17:35.19 | valdyn | rdz: use a clean program or a kernel that doesnt have that issue, whatever it is |
| 17:35.21 | ec_ | tcltk: xvinfo | grep GLX |
| 17:35.32 | valdyn | rdz: into debuggin program and/or kernel |
| 17:35.41 | rdz | valdyn, yeah, true.. i am not a coder, thought, and won't be able myself to fix it |
| 17:35.52 | ec_ | cgibin: try setting it on the client too? |
| 17:35.55 | n-iCe | bushblows, apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome-core will work? |
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| 17:36.15 | rdz | valdyn, why can't i tell the kernel as root to free a certain port? |
| 17:36.24 | xingu | wonders where june went |
| 17:36.28 | rdz | valdyn, i mean to force to free a port? |
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| 17:36.39 | cgibin | huh.. not clear |
| 17:36.44 | valdyn | rdz: no, you cant |
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| 17:36.59 | rdz | valdyn, too bad.. but thanks for your help |
| 17:37.02 | valdyn | rdz: you are hitting *some* kind of kernel bug |
| 17:37.12 | rdz | valdyn, am i? |
| 17:37.21 | valdyn | rdz: theres no pont in "forcing" a free port, because on a sane system you wouldnt have that issue at all |
| 17:37.25 | rdz | valdyn, after 10min i usually can restart the daemon |
| 17:37.32 | rdz | valdyn, i see |
| 17:37.41 | cgibin | if i don't type anything in the shell it well disconnect me auto, how can i make it so the session wont get disconnected |
| 17:37.45 | valdyn | rdz: try the better kill methods first anyway |
| 17:37.50 | valdyn | rdz: according to what dpkg said |
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| 17:38.13 | rdz | valdyn, yeah, i'll try again. thanks |
| 17:38.28 | tcltk | ec_: that does not return anything |
| 17:38.31 | valdyn | rdz: a gone process frees up all resources it used |
| 17:38.42 | valdyn | rdz: in your case thats not happening, thats necessarily a kernel bug |
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| 17:39.02 | ec_ | tcltk: then you aren't using the nvidia driver |
| 17:39.04 | rdz | valdyn, wow.. but it's been there since sarge |
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| 17:39.13 | ec_ | m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 17:39.16 | tcltk | ec_: yes i am, i see the nvidia logo when i start kdm |
| 17:39.39 | valdyn | rdz: maybe you are not really killing the right process |
| 17:39.45 | tcltk | this is the result with no grep command http://rafb.net/p/bXrtA020.html |
| 17:39.47 | valdyn | rdz: thats a little more likely |
| 17:39.52 | rdz | valdyn, do you happen to know what the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive* sysctls are for? |
| 17:40.00 | rdz | valdyn, i see |
| 17:40.12 | rdz | valdyn, how can i check, what child process could be still running? |
| 17:40.28 | xingu | rdz: what does /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout say? |
| 17:40.46 | rdz | xingu, 60 |
| 17:41.00 | rdz | xingu, is that the file, that needs to be tweaked? |
| 17:41.16 | rdz | however, it usually takes longer that 60s to see the port freed |
| 17:41.19 | rdz | *than |
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| 17:41.51 | balasyum | hi |
| 17:41.57 | balasyum | can somebody use davfs2 rw? |
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| 17:43.27 | oliver_xyz | ping... |
| 17:43.44 | ec_ | tcltk: what does glxinfo tell you? |
| 17:43.56 | oliver_xyz | anyone can tell me about the relationship between backports.org and debian.org? |
| 17:43.56 | xingu | rdz: if you use "netstat -anp | grep :yourport" after the process has died and you have killed it, what is the result? |
| 17:43.58 | erasure | nvidia card problems? |
| 17:44.06 | tcltk | ec_: direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:44.12 | xingu | rdz: particularly interested in the socket state column - LISTEN, TIME_WAIT, etc. |
| 17:44.24 | tcltk | erasure: yesterday apt-get upgraded xerver-xorg and now compiz does not works, but compiz-check says all is ok |
| 17:44.32 | tcltk | and i tried to reinstall compiz and nvidia drivers, but still same problem |
| 17:44.42 | tcltk | im using lenny |
| 17:44.45 | ec_ | which is...? |
| 17:44.47 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: like? |
| 17:44.49 | erasure | dunno, mate. |
| 17:44.54 | erasure | cant help ya |
| 17:45.00 | tcltk | :/ |
| 17:45.17 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: theres no official relation |
| 17:45.28 | ec_ | tcltk: "does not work" is not a problem |
| 17:45.50 | rdz | xingu, TIME_WAIT |
| 17:45.53 | tcltk | tell me where is the log of compiz and i tell you |
| 17:45.59 | tcltk | cause i dont know how to explain |
| 17:46.09 | rdz | xingu, two columsn of that, because two clients were connected, when i killed it |
| 17:46.14 | tcltk | ir run fusion icon, select compiz and the window decoration does not appear |
| 17:46.16 | n-iCe | will work a ubuntu xorg.conf on debian? |
| 17:46.26 | valdyn | tcltk: if you start it from a terminal you will see the log in that terminal |
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| 17:46.35 | blahblahx | hark: you still here? |
| 17:46.41 | valdyn | n-iCe: usually |
| 17:46.42 | tcltk | compiz --replace right? |
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| 17:46.54 | ec_ | yes |
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| 17:47.15 | tcltk | http://rafb.net/p/q7FcwG94.html |
| 17:47.30 | blahblahx | hark: sorry, i left, but you told me make the alternative openbox-gnome-session. how do i do that? |
| 17:47.30 | n-iCe | 2 minutes more and debian is done! |
| 17:47.34 | tcltk | i saw this before, and like i use freenx i thought it were already running, but i rebooted already |
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| 17:47.44 | balasyum | what is the best way for using a version control system locally? |
| 17:47.58 | balasyum | I mean, I'd like to keep all revisions of my modifications there |
| 17:48.12 | valdyn | balasyum: why does it matter that its local? |
| 17:48.17 | themill | balasyum: I use subversion; others prefer mercurial, darcs, git, ... |
| 17:48.38 | themill | balasyum: you could even just use RCS for it if you wanted. (I used to...!) |
| 17:48.41 | balasyum | local as all movements get logged |
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| 17:49.10 | balasyum | I'd like to keep all revisions for example of my dev directory |
| 17:49.12 | valdyn | balasyum: you want to get version control for all your files on your debian system? |
| 17:49.21 | oliver_xyz | valdyn: this might sound stupid, but how do I know I can trust backports.org? :-) |
| 17:49.25 | balasyum | for file creations, modifications, stc. |
| 17:49.27 | balasyum | etc* |
| 17:49.28 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: you dont |
| 17:49.39 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: how do you know you can trust debian? |
| 17:49.40 | balasyum | valdyn, not all files, but for a directory |
| 17:49.43 | ancientt | I got a system installed & working but ended up with eth1 and eth2 with no eth0 in a box with two ethernet cards. How do fix it/Where do I read about why? |
| 17:49.55 | oliver_xyz | valdyn: experience, I suppose... |
| 17:49.57 | valdyn | balasyum: its quite irrelevant that its local |
| 17:50.05 | infinitycircuit | ancientt: why does it matter? |
| 17:50.09 | balasyum | else I have to always svn ci |
| 17:50.09 | valdyn | balasyum: use the revision control system of your choice.. |
| 17:50.16 | balasyum | how, please? |
| 17:50.20 | keith4 | what's the debian analogy to chkconfig? |
| 17:50.25 | drv | ancientt: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:50.29 | valdyn | balasyum: start by reading the documentation? |
| 17:50.29 | oliver_xyz | valdyn: Debain didn't screw me over in years (at least it seems so), but I don't know that of backports.org? |
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| 17:50.48 | balasyum | the documentation of? |
| 17:50.53 | BigTuna_ | OpenSSL 0.9.8e shouldn't be creating comprimised key's correct? |
| 17:50.54 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: you can go have a look at who does backports, and who maintains the site |
| 17:50.55 | infinitycircuit | balasyum: the revision system of your choice |
| 17:50.59 | ancientt | infinitycircuit: I'm making other boxes that should be mostly duplicates and expect scripts to work across the board based in part on which nic's are allowed specific behaviors (routing among other uses) |
| 17:51.05 | Eulex | balasyum, uh, /dev? |
| 17:51.09 | ancientt | thanks drv |
| 17:51.12 | balasyum | with subversion, I have to always svn ci |
| 17:51.17 | infinitycircuit | ancientt: ok that makes sense drv's advice will work for you then |
| 17:51.19 | balasyum | whenever I modify something |
| 17:51.21 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: but obviously you wouldnt trust me, whatever i told you ;) |
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| 17:51.33 | infinitycircuit | balasyum: man cron |
| 17:51.44 | rendar | hi, someone can send me the nopaste script? nopaste <filename> and it returns the url in stdout |
| 17:51.51 | oliver_xyz | valdyn: exactly :-D |
| 17:51.59 | balasyum | I'd like it automatically on all movements |
| 17:52.04 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: im sure backports.org is made be debian devs at least partially |
| 17:52.11 | balasyum | as a version controlling filesystem |
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| 17:52.33 | oliver_xyz | that's why I was looking for some hint on the official _debian_ page like "backports.org is not a malicious page" |
| 17:52.34 | balasyum | maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3cow |
| 17:52.35 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: and all i can really tell you is that bp.org is recommended in this channel |
| 17:52.43 | oliver_xyz | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 17:52.50 | drv | balasyum: package etckeeper may handle your problem. |
| 17:52.57 | themill | balasyum: I don't know of any vcs that will automatically check in changes. Normally, you want to document what you've changed so that you know *why* as well as what. |
| 17:53.18 | xingu | rdz: suggest you try: net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout=30, net.ipv4.tcp_tw_reuse=1 |
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| 17:53.30 | xingu | rdz: in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:53.38 | themill | balasyum: Perhaps you're really looking for an automated differential backup system, in which case rsnapshot might be helpful for you (run it as a cron job) |
| 17:53.51 | xingu | rdz: relevant manpage is tcp(7) |
| 17:54.00 | valdyn | oliver_xyz: thats a good point actually, but all there is about that is probably some mailing list or irc discussions by debian developers as to if and how make something like or backports.org itself part of debian officially |
| 17:54.02 | rdz | xingu, thanks |
| 17:54.18 | balasyum | this may be the best for me: http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ however not available in the deb repository |
| 17:54.37 | Eulex | compile it? |
| 17:54.39 | valdyn | balasyum: theres logfs |
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| 17:54.46 | valdyn | balasyum: try google |
| 17:54.49 | infinitycircuit | oliver_xyz: debian-devel currently has a 40-response thread about including backports keyring in debian repos |
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| 17:55.02 | infinitycircuit | you should check it out |
| 17:55.38 | Bushmills | balasyum: you might want to have a look at nilfs |
| 17:55.55 | valdyn | hmm, im confused about logfs, guess its not keeping logs |
| 17:56.22 | tcltk | I wan't to cry, everything i do is wrong |
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| 17:57.19 | blahblahx | guys how do i make something an alternative? because i am trying to do "update-alternatives --set" something, but i get the error that it is not an alternative already |
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| 17:57.53 | valdyn | blahblahx: you could use --list before --set |
| 17:58.06 | Placid | Hi all. Has anyone else experienced segfaults with iceweasel when visiting google.com or searching via the search box? Happens in both FF/Iceweasel 2.0.0.14 and FF3-rc2. Both were installed via apt. |
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| 17:58.22 | valdyn | Placid: no |
| 17:58.33 | justin | tcltk: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:58.33 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 17:58.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 17:58.58 | Placid | Who's that directed at, valdyn? |
| 17:59.05 | valdyn | Placid: you |
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| 17:59.37 | balasyum | is there reason why wayback isn't in the repository? |
| 17:59.46 | Placid | erm, OK then. |
| 17:59.47 | tcltk | http://rafb.net/p/cC8X4f92.html im using 2 monitors |
| 17:59.54 | buntfalke | What's an alternative to any2dvd? |
| 17:59.57 | drv | Placid: check if you have the latest xul installed. |
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| 18:00.00 | tcltk | btw the problem with cyrllicys font is fixe |
| 18:00.00 | tcltk | d |
| 18:00.09 | Placid | drv, thank you for a proper answer. |
| 18:00.15 | Placid | valdyn, how else would I ask that question? |
| 18:01.06 | valdyn | Placid: check the bts |
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| 18:01.08 | valdyn | !bts |
| 18:01.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 18:01.41 | valdyn | Placid: you just describe your issue and give information you deem useful for us to help you |
| 18:01.54 | drv | Placid: I had this problem one time. Got resolved it when I upgraded my xulrunner, libxul and other xul-relationed libraries. |
| 18:01.57 | Placid | valdyn, I think that's what I did. |
| 18:02.09 | valdyn | Placid: no, you asked a yes/no question |
| 18:02.24 | tsh_ | Does debian have some kinda deamon that overrides /etc/network/interface changes ? |
| 18:02.25 | themill | infinitycircuit: I love it how that thread managed to get side-tracked into whether the keyring was free software. ffs. |
| 18:02.26 | Placid | drv, I've installed libxul0d libxul-dev libxul-common and xulrunner |
| 18:02.36 | tsh_ | I have just editted the interfaces file, restarted networking and no joy... |
| 18:02.41 | tsh_ | looks liek something else is configuring it ? |
| 18:03.12 | valdyn | Placid: xulrunner1.9 you mean |
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| 18:03.20 | infinitycircuit | themill: yeah it was absurd |
| 18:03.24 | Placid | valdyn, indeed. You didn't give me a chance to continue asking. |
| 18:03.57 | Placid | valdyn, no, the package I installed was just 'xulrunner' |
| 18:04.11 | valdyn | Placid: ok, but ff3 still depends on xulrunner-1.9 |
| 18:04.12 | tsh_ | It keeps gettign a dynamic ip from somewhere? |
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| 18:04.44 | drv | tsh_: Do an 'ifconfig -a' and check if your interface appears there first. |
| 18:04.47 | valdyn | Placid: while ff2 just needs xulrunner |
| 18:04.50 | drv | tsh_: killall dhclient |
| 18:04.57 | Placid | valdyn, interesting. I've got 1.8 installed. This issue was happening with FF2.0.0.14 as i stated previously, so it suggests that Xul isn't the issue |
| 18:04.57 | DeadFishMan | If I had to grep for an ASCII code, say \x1a, how can I do that? |
| 18:05.07 | valdyn | Placid: yea |
| 18:05.12 | tsh_ | drv, yes it does |
| 18:05.16 | valdyn | Placid: anything interesting if you run it in a terminal? |
| 18:05.20 | tsh_ | drv, it does it on boot |
| 18:05.24 | DeadFishMan | I tried to enter that ASCII code as a regexp but it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:05.26 | Placid | valdyn, just segfaults |
| 18:05.45 | drv | tsh_: Do you have network-manager installed ? dpkg -l | grep network-manager |
| 18:05.55 | valdyn | Placid: strace -f /usr/bin/firefox, for both programs that crash, paste both on a paste site |
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| 18:06.11 | twobitwork | DeadFishMan: man grep ... it has a section about ascii codes |
| 18:06.17 | valdyn | Placid: gonne be huge traces i guess, important part is the last couple lines |
| 18:06.17 | Placid | $ firefox |
| 18:06.17 | Placid | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 18:06.21 | Placid | Segmentation fault |
| 18:06.29 | drv | DeadFishMan: man ascii |
| 18:06.43 | tsh_ | drv, yes |
| 18:06.53 | valdyn | Placid: uh, thats way before loading any page |
| 18:06.54 | DeadFishMan | twobitwork, drv: thanks |
| 18:07.00 | Placid | valdyn, aye |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | Placid: strace might help |
| 18:07.27 | rendar | hi, someone can send me the nopaste script? nopaste <filename> and it returns the url in stdout?? |
| 18:07.29 | drv | Placid: do an ldconfig. It will 'verify' all of your installed libs. |
| 18:07.40 | drv | Placid: and reinstall which one with problems. |
| 18:08.11 | drv | tsh_: Network-manager autoconfigure interfaces without asking. |
| 18:08.44 | drv | tsh_: Disable it via 'rcconf --now'. If you don't have rcconf installed, apt-get install rcconf. |
| 18:08.48 | balasyum | I'd like something like nilfs, but doing it virually, so without the need of creating a physical partiton |
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| 18:09.15 | drv | Placid: sorry, reinstall those* with problems. |
| 18:09.16 | Placid | valdyn, http://rafb.net/p/ErPR1S19.html |
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| 18:10.44 | Placid | nothing obvious, eh? |
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| 18:11.10 | n-iCe | how do I install the apt-get |
| 18:11.10 | n-iCe | ?? |
| 18:11.28 | justin | Placid: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefox+libaoss.so has nice info |
| 18:11.36 | justin | !wayttd n-iCe |
| 18:11.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, n-iCe? |
| 18:11.38 | Placid | justin, thanks. I can't google :) |
| 18:11.44 | Placid | wait |
| 18:11.48 | justin | Placid: use links |
| 18:11.49 | Placid | google.com crashes totally |
| 18:11.51 | Placid | so I can't go there |
| 18:11.54 | drv | n-iCe: You have to download it first manually from Debian's website: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:11.55 | Placid | justin, aye |
| 18:11.55 | Gm4n | can you mdadm --grow a raid 1 md device with only one drive connected? |
| 18:11.57 | n-iCe | dpkg, install something |
| 18:11.58 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, n-iCe |
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| 18:12.13 | n-iCe | dpkg, it is not installing, sudo apt-get installing package |
| 18:12.13 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, n-iCe |
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| 18:12.23 | n-iCe | is that the way to install in debian? |
| 18:12.37 | drv | n-iCe: and install it and all dependencies of package 'apt' using dpkg -i package.deb |
| 18:12.56 | justin | Placid: seems to be a 64bit/32bit thing.. that apply to you? |
| 18:13.15 | rahul | n-iCe: it's already installed if you installed debian |
| 18:13.15 | SparFux1 | Oh dear, I hate sporadic system freezes. |
| 18:13.17 | Placid | justin, yup. Uname: Linux prometheus 2.6.25 #2 SMP Sun May 18 14:38:09 BST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:13.18 | wols | n-iCe: dpkg is a bot. don't talk to it |
| 18:13.29 | Gm4n | wols: I think that's tab completion gone wrong ;) |
| 18:13.31 | wols | !tell n-iCe about grounding |
| 18:13.55 | justin | Placid: try starting firefox in safe mode(turns off plugins) i bet that works fine |
| 18:13.59 | n-iCe | but is not working, that's why I am asking |
| 18:14.05 | justin | !+not working |
| 18:14.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:14.11 | wols | n-iCe: then pastebin the full output of what's not working |
| 18:14.23 | n-iCe | let me reboot |
| 18:14.28 | wols | no |
| 18:14.31 | wols | do not reboot. pastebin |
| 18:14.38 | wols | it won't be different after you rebooted |
| 18:14.48 | justin | wols: it will if he is running winders :) |
| 18:14.52 | prahal | hi I am looking after why mono-basic was removed from new queue . Is there a ML for such things ? |
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| 18:15.09 | Placid | justin, nope, still crashes in safemode |
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| 18:15.24 | balasyum | how can I revert in nilfs? |
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| 18:15.56 | drv | Placid: apt-get install --reinstall alsa-oss |
| 18:16.00 | Placid | drv, k |
| 18:16.07 | Gm4n | I'm about to try repartitioning my pair of raid 1 disks live (in order), but I've never done anything like this before. Could someone take a glance at the commands I've written down to make sure I'm not doing something that will break? |
| 18:16.09 | drv | Placid: maybe you got alsa-oss package corrupted. |
| 18:16.31 | justin | Placid: hmm, maybe safe mode doesn't turn off plugins.. try moving any you have installed out of the plugin directory |
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| 18:16.44 | justin | drv: no, it's a 64bit thing, it is trying to load a 32bit library |
| 18:16.50 | Placid | justin, it gives you a menu. I selected "Disable all plugins" |
| 18:16.57 | justin | Placid: oh :( |
| 18:16.59 | Placid | drv, reinstallation of alsa didn't help |
| 18:17.04 | drv | justin: sorry |
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| 18:17.33 | justin | Placid: for me it says "disable all add-ons"... and that doesn't disable plugins |
| 18:17.40 | justin | though I'm using ff2 here not ff3 |
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| 18:19.44 | clebig | hi |
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| 18:24.33 | Gm4n | how do I tell fdisk that a new partition should be a "Linux raid autodetect"? |
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| 18:25.50 | wols | Gm4n: partition type FD IIRC |
| 18:26.13 | Gm4n | awesome, thanks wols :) |
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| 18:26.52 | Gm4n | is swap a primary partition? |
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| 18:27.19 | maligor | mm.. the kde 4.1 experimental packages look & feel fantastic |
| 18:27.21 | Bushmills | it is what you make it |
| 18:27.22 | valdyn | Gm4n: swap specifies content, not type of a partition |
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| 18:27.24 | wols | doesn't matter Gm4n |
| 18:27.31 | Gm4n | alrighty, thanks :) |
| 18:27.51 | Gm4n | I'm gonna continue being a pest for a little while, this repartitioning business is scaring the crap out of me :P |
| 18:28.09 | valdyn | Gm4n: partition type ids are good for nothing |
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| 18:29.25 | Gm4n | it still makes me feel better if I get to choose them :) |
| 18:29.48 | drv | maligor: mine too :) |
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| 18:30.06 | Gm4n | does this look like a good partition setup? (only 7 lines): http://paste.debian.net/7516/ |
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| 18:32.23 | valdyn | Placid: i cant see the opened file that could be relevant and broken, that has to be further on top |
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| 18:33.27 | valdyn | Placid: unless its /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf |
| 18:33.28 | Placid | valdyn, I'll upload the full thing |
| 18:33.31 | Placid | though it's fixed now |
| 18:33.38 | Placid | I've restarted and it works when using ff3 |
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| 18:33.47 | valdyn | Placid: what fixed it? |
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| 18:35.54 | halflife08 | hello folks, what is the easiest way to export each page of a pdf file as a jpg image ? |
| 18:36.04 | Placid | valdyn, no idea, I just restarted. None of the reinstalls seemed to do anything |
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| 18:38.17 | abrotman | halflife08: does it have to be jpg ? |
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| 18:39.46 | halflife08 | abrotman: for some dumb reason i need screenshots of a text file, the text file is 11 pages long, so converted into pdf file i figured pdfimages would work, but i was mistaken about its functionality, it can be png or just about any image format |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | pdf2ps | ps2png |
| 18:40.05 | cahoot | pdftk + convert? |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | maybe |
| 18:40.43 | halflife08 | abrotman: thanks will try that |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | halflife08: you might need to use pdftk to split it apart |
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| 18:43.28 | valdyn | Placid: probably had an instance running that you didnt see |
| 18:44.04 | Diluvium | hey all im trying to install a library |
| 18:44.10 | Diluvium | having trouble tracking down what the hell its called though |
| 18:44.14 | Diluvium | looking for 'libxml.so.1' |
| 18:44.21 | Diluvium | try the obvious ones |
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| 18:44.29 | Diluvium | apt-get install libxml1 etc.. |
| 18:44.54 | valdyn | !tell Diluvium -about search |
| 18:45.10 | Diluvium | valdyn, ? |
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| 18:47.59 | Gm4n | when I try and resize2fs my /dev/md1 (mounted on /), it says filesystem does not support online resizing |
| 18:48.02 | Gm4n | what can I do? |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | Gm4n: are you trying to grow or shrink it? |
| 18:48.33 | Gm4n | grow |
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| 18:48.41 | valdyn | Gm4n: grow the raid first |
| 18:48.44 | Gm4n | I did |
| 18:48.56 | Gm4n | can I show you what I've done? (pastebin) |
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| 18:49.06 | valdyn | Gm4n: sure, go ahead |
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| 18:50.23 | Gm4n | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/7518/ |
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| 18:53.57 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is there something like winscp available for linux? I mean a gui app to connect and download files from a ssh/scp server |
| 18:54.15 | Gm4n | of course, what desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:54.21 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: Use Konqueror fish:// KIOSlave |
| 18:54.24 | valdyn | Gm4n: is that an old filesystem or a new install? |
| 18:54.24 | gonzaloaf_work | Gm4n, gnome |
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| 18:54.48 | Gm4n | valdyn: it's the way my hosting provider imaged my server with sarge a year ago |
| 18:54.53 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: If you are using GNOME, Nautilus probably has support for ssh, too |
| 18:54.57 | Gm4n | I've long since dist-upgraded to etch |
| 18:55.09 | justin | Gm4n: can you just resize it from a boot cd, that is safer |
| 18:55.25 | Gm4n | justin: nope, it's several thousand miles away, and I don't think I"d be allowed to meet it even if I was there |
| 18:55.34 | valdyn | Gm4n: answer by theodore tso himself: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-01/msg01010.html |
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| 18:55.48 | justin | Gm4n: there are other tools for online resize.. ext2resize |
| 18:55.49 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: On Konqi, type fish://host_address on the address bar and then enter your credentials when prompted for it |
| 18:56.03 | valdyn | Gm4n: looks like a known debian bug too |
| 18:56.06 | zyx386 | ??? |
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| 18:56.33 | justin | Gm4n: can you just create a 1 disk raid on the new disk, copy everything over, and then sync to the old disk? |
| 18:56.35 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: Since Konqi let's you split your screen - Shift-Ctrl-L - you can have a WinSCP-like setup |
| 18:56.38 | justin | Gm4n: reboot would be tricky though |
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| 18:57.26 | Gm4n | justin: that would work too, I suppose, but I'll have to shrink md1 back down and readd old disk |
| 18:57.48 | valdyn | Gm4n: you should consider using lvm really |
| 18:57.58 | valdyn | Gm4n: for doing stuff like you are doing its vastly superior |
| 18:58.04 | gonzaloaf_work | DeadFishMan, do I need to install something additional to konqueror? |
| 18:58.09 | Gm4n | I'll consider anything, I just want to get this done without getting fried |
| 18:58.12 | anddam | hello |
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| 18:58.21 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: AFAIK no, you don't |
| 18:58.29 | valdyn | Gm4n: like i just migrated my whole system to a new raid, live, thanks to lvm |
| 18:58.45 | Gm4n | valdyn: just tell me what to do |
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| 18:59.17 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: Maybe kdebase-kio-plugins if you don't have it already |
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| 18:59.20 | valdyn | Gm4n: do what justin said is simple too |
| 18:59.35 | valdyn | Gm4n: or migrate to lvm instead, works similar |
| 18:59.43 | valdyn | Gm4n: but walking you thru it is to much |
| 18:59.53 | gonzaloaf_work | DeadFishMan, An error occurred while loading fish://xxxxxxxxxxxx |
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| 19:00.03 | Gm4n | well, what I'm doing currently I found on the internet :P |
| 19:00.15 | Gm4n | would resize2fs work if I booted into a rescue system? |
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| 19:00.30 | valdyn | Gm4n: read the the url i pasted |
| 19:00.42 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: I believe that fish:// requires Perl to be available at the other side for some reason... You may want to check that |
| 19:00.56 | valdyn | Gm4n: you cannot read your fs without using tools that are considered risky by theodore tso |
| 19:00.58 | Gm4n | I did, valdyn |
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| 19:01.17 | valdyn | Gm4n: you cannot *resize* your fs live without using tools that are considered risky by theodore tso |
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| 19:01.26 | valdyn | Gm4n: but offline resize works fine |
| 19:01.28 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: If you are not willing to have PErl at the other side - or has no control about it - you may want to take a look at FUSE instead |
| 19:01.29 | Gm4n | so rescue mode it is |
| 19:01.29 | gonzaloaf_work | DeadFishMan, pearl in the client side? |
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| 19:01.52 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: perl on the server side |
| 19:02.08 | gonzaloaf_work | DeadFishMan, what pkg specifically? |
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| 19:02.42 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:03.14 | DexterF | i just moved debian from an old ide to a sata disk. root in grub now is 2,1, but what will it be after I pull the old ide disk? |
| 19:03.27 | valdyn | DexterF: thats up to your bios |
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| 19:03.41 | DexterF | so trial and error? |
| 19:03.43 | wols | DexterF: determined by BIOS |
| 19:03.50 | valdyn | DexterF: you have 3 disks? |
| 19:03.58 | valdyn | DexterF: since 2 is the 3rd disk? |
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| 19:04.07 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: FUSE is regarded as an elegant way, since it will allow you to mount remote resources through networks protocols such as SSH and therefore all applications can see it transparently whereas both GNOME and KDE rely on their VFS implementation |
| 19:04.10 | DexterF | 2 ide on board controller, one sata on an external controller |
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| 19:04.48 | valdyn | DexterF: your bios gives you usually the choice to reorder drives, but you cant skip numbers, so your disks will be 0 and 1 if its 2 disks |
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| 19:05.27 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: KDE apps tend to be able to see network resources easily, while GNOME ones can be a hit or miss: the ones that support GNOME-VFS and the newer VFS layer whose name I can't quite remember right now will work, most others won't |
| 19:05.37 | DexterF | valdyn: guess so, first controller checked. question is if sata stays 2 when ide2 is pulled or if it will become 1 or something else. well, ill just try |
| 19:05.39 | valdyn | DexterF: so 2 will probably become 1, but if it becomes 0 you can change that to 1 in your bios |
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| 19:06.24 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: As for the perl package, I have no idea. I have never done anything special to enable that functionality on my machines |
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| 19:06.34 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: I just recall reading that somewhere... |
| 19:07.08 | Alikus | Colud you tell me - when was removed package `wpa_supplicant` from debian? I can't find it in deb repositories. |
| 19:07.14 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: gnome uses fuse, but only starting at 2.22 |
| 19:07.18 | gonzaloaf_work | DeadFishMan, well, I have perl installed on the server side, and I'm still not able to connect using konqueror, I'll rather use sshfs |
| 19:08.06 | DeadFishMan | valdyn: Thanks for the tip. But I find it odd since FUSE is, at least at the moment, a Linux-only thing, isn't it? |
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| 19:08.34 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: i should have said "gnome on linux uses fuse" |
| 19:08.52 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: its the method of choice to export filesystems so non-gnome apps can access them |
| 19:08.54 | DeadFishMan | gonzaloaf_work: I'm not sure why it doesn't work for you. Sorry! Perhaps sshfs might be a better resort for you ^^ |
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| 19:09.04 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: doesnt mean that it cant use something else on different OSes |
| 19:10.00 | DeadFishMan | valdyn: Ahhh... But what about that new GNOME virtual filesystem thing, the one that was supposed to replace GNOME-VFS... GVFS or something like that? |
| 19:10.01 | Blackhold | hello |
| 19:10.10 | Blackhold | I've got a problem with thinkpad-acpi |
| 19:10.14 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: gvfs does that |
| 19:10.25 | Blackhold | I go to the website and tells me to apply a patch, but not where |
| 19:10.41 | Blackhold | the problem is that acpi don't detects the fan |
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| 19:11.10 | torroella | hello can anyone tell me how my sources.list needs to look like??? |
| 19:11.13 | torroella | please |
| 19:11.14 | DeadFishMan | valdyn: Isn't that the preferred way so that GNOME can be OS-agnostic? |
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| 19:11.34 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: ill show you: i just entered ssh://valdynq@notebook in nautilus |
| 19:11.36 | torroella | because is not finding |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | !tell torroella about sources.list |
| 19:11.39 | torroella | # apt-get install ipw3945d |
| 19:11.53 | Gm4n | ok, help... I tried booting into system and all I get is busybox :( |
| 19:11.57 | Gm4n | *rescue |
| 19:11.59 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: now i see the directory "SFTP auf notebook" in ~/.gvfs/ |
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| 19:12.03 | torroella | abrotman: just tell me what should I add to install that package? |
| 19:12.21 | valdyn | DeadFishMan: ( in my terminal ) |
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| 19:12.42 | abrotman | !tell torroella about ipw3945 |
| 19:12.49 | DeadFishMan | valdyn: I see |
| 19:13.41 | torroella | abrotman: : add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, |
| 19:13.45 | DeadFishMan | valdyn: Haven't used GNOME seriously in quite a while so everything that I know about its recent improvements came from reading news sites and blogs. Thanks for clarifying it |
| 19:13.52 | torroella | what are contrib and non-free? |
| 19:13.55 | torroella | where can I get them? |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | torroella: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | i think you get the idea |
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| 19:15.31 | torroella | can't you give me whole line? |
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| 19:15.49 | torroella | deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main |
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| 19:16.46 | torroella | I just wanted to fix it before go to work |
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| 19:16.59 | torroella | can you paste me your sources.list on www.pastebin.com ? |
| 19:17.34 | Gm4n | what does it mean if I get "mdadm: superblock on /dev/sda1 doesn't match others - assembly aborted"? |
| 19:17.47 | magentar | the debian kernel seems to be unable to detect my marvell pata ide chipset. i was able to get it working with the testing netinst cd using the kernel parameter generic.all_generic_ide=1, however i switched to the unstable 2.6.25 kernel now and, though the module pata_marvell is loaded it's unable to find the disk and cdrom connected to it. |
| 19:17.53 | hoxu | !tell torroella about sources.list |
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| 19:18.44 | valdyn | magentar: who loaded that module? |
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| 19:18.58 | magentar | it was loaded during the boot process |
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| 19:19.14 | valdyn | magentar: how do you know that disk and cdrom were not found? |
| 19:19.34 | magentar | there are neither /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* devices corresponding to them |
| 19:19.37 | justin | magentar: are you still passing the all_generic_ide=1 option? |
| 19:19.44 | magentar | yes, does not help anymore |
| 19:19.56 | justin | magentar: pretty sure you should take that out! |
| 19:20.00 | dutchfish | i installed some libs (packages) for sid on my lenny to fix some anyoing things. When thet migrate to lenny, are thet auto again or still considered manual installs? if so, can i simply make them auto with aptitude again? |
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| 19:20.20 | dutchfish | s/thet/they |
| 19:20.20 | magentar | i added it later, but it did not work befor either |
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| 19:20.32 | justin | magentar: have you tried 2.6.25 WITHOUT that option? |
| 19:20.36 | magentar | yes |
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| 19:23.21 | magentar | someone suggestested irqpoll, but that did not help either |
| 19:24.30 | dutchfish | magentar, 2.6.25-8 is considered stable, 2nd is pata_marvell in your .config enabled? |
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| 19:24.37 | Gm4n | can someone please help? my system is booted into rescue mode, but I can't figure out how to mount the md devices to copy files :( |
| 19:24.55 | soulchild | Hi all,... is there a option for dpkg to show the size of a package ? |
| 19:25.12 | magentar | dutchfish, i got it from the unstable debian repos, that's what i meant... so it should be in there |
| 19:25.36 | anddam | Gm4n: md device? |
| 19:25.50 | Gm4n | anddam: raid1 devices |
| 19:26.00 | Gm4n | /dev/md# |
| 19:26.08 | anddam | can't help you |
| 19:26.11 | Gm4n | I found something in the ubuntu forums, but it didn't help :( |
| 19:26.16 | Gm4n | and now my system is unbootable |
| 19:26.18 | stew | soulchild: dpkg -s packagename |
| 19:26.38 | dutchfish | magentar, not sure if it is still in 2.6.25-x, check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:27.52 | magentar | CONFIG_PATA_MARVELL=m |
| 19:28.15 | dutchfish | magentar, CONFIG_PATA_MARVELL=m (2.6.-25-8 vanilla) |
| 19:28.18 | justin | Gm4n: cat /proc/mdstat would be a first step |
| 19:29.01 | magentar | so should it be compiled into the kernel? |
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| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | if that's your device for your boot disk yes |
| 19:29.38 | dutchfish | magentar, i am not sure, but i dont think so, module is fine |
| 19:29.40 | magentar | no it's not luckily |
| 19:30.22 | dutchfish | magentar, follow simonrvn |
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| 19:30.50 | simonrvn | no, don't follow me, please don't ;) |
| 19:31.03 | justin | simon says :) |
| 19:31.07 | dutchfish | simonrvn, can he force with a k-line? |
| 19:31.09 | Gm4n | how can I tell which MD device is which? |
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| 19:31.17 | justin | Gm4n: cat /proc/mdstat would be a first step |
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| 19:31.22 | Gm4n | I did, justin |
| 19:31.26 | Gm4n | do you want to see it? |
| 19:31.27 | justin | Gm4n: that will tell you |
| 19:31.40 | simonrvn | it'll say which disks/partitions they are from |
| 19:31.48 | justin | well, if they are onlne |
| 19:32.00 | justin | otherwise you may have to run mdadm --assemble or whatever it is called |
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| 19:32.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:32.15 | dutchfish | ugh, i think there is no mdstat in 2.6.25-8 |
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| 19:32.44 | justin | dutchfish: it won't show up unless you have md loaded |
| 19:32.53 | dutchfish | justin, ah ok |
| 19:33.02 | magentar | i think dmesg does not say anything about the controller either |
| 19:33.05 | justin | mdstat sucks, but they won't remove it anytime soon |
| 19:33.08 | justin | magentar: lspci? |
| 19:33.17 | magentar | yeah it's in lspci alright |
| 19:33.20 | soulchild | is there a way to make aptitude only show installed packages and sot them by size ? |
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| 19:33.28 | justin | soulchild: dpigs |
| 19:33.29 | dutchfish | justin, in 2.6.26-rc7 it is |
| 19:33.30 | magentar | i'll give you the output one sec |
| 19:33.59 | magentar | http://pastebin.com/m2455ba1a |
| 19:34.11 | soulchild | justin: is that a key combination ? |
| 19:34.22 | justin | soulchild: no, it is a program |
| 19:34.28 | justin | part of debian-goodies or something |
| 19:34.42 | Gm4n | how can I see which devices are in use for a given md#? |
| 19:34.48 | jelly-home | !sort by size |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | [sort by size] perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 19:34.50 | justin | Gm4n: /proc/mdstat! |
| 19:34.51 | dutchfish | soulchild, or dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:35.00 | Gm4n | I have been, justin, but it doesn't say :-/ |
| 19:35.07 | soulchild | justin: in installed debian-goodies |
| 19:35.57 | jelly-home | Gm4n: what does it say, then? |
| 19:36.11 | Gm4n | md1 : active raid1 sdb1[1] 987840 blocks [2/1] [_U] |
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| 19:36.22 | justin | dutchfish: try rmmod pata_marvell;modprobe pata_marvell;dmesg, see if anything shows up |
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| 19:36.56 | justin | Gm4n: md1: blah blah blah sdb1 blah blah blah? |
| 19:36.58 | jelly-home | Gm4n: does it not say that "sdb1" is in use for md1? |
| 19:36.59 | magentar | justin, nothing |
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| 19:37.10 | justin | magentar: oh yeah, you :) |
| 19:37.18 | magentar | ;) |
| 19:37.18 | justin | magentar: well, that isn't good |
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| 19:37.18 | dutchfish | np |
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| 19:37.26 | jelly-home | justin, Gm4n: [_U] is also a notblah... |
| 19:37.34 | Gm4n | jelly-home: but that makes no sense, because it's a raid-1, so it should have two disks in use |
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| 19:37.52 | justin | magentar: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0612.2/0122.html ? |
| 19:37.57 | justin | jelly-home: it's not a device :) |
| 19:38.01 | jelly-home | Gm4n: you should add another device into the mirror. |
| 19:38.14 | Gm4n | that I will do |
| 19:38.25 | Gm4n | I think that the md0 device I created is fighting with md1 |
| 19:38.37 | Gm4n | I need to figure out how to get rid of it |
| 19:38.37 | jelly-home | Gm4n: pastebin the whole contents |
| 19:38.50 | jbr_ux | im new to debian development an translating package descriptions into german - is there an irc channel where i can get help |
| 19:39.07 | magentar | justin, ahci is loaded too, should i blacklist pata_marvell? |
| 19:39.08 | Gm4n | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/7520/ |
| 19:39.16 | abrotman | jbr_ux: i'm not sure there's a translation channel .. but there is a "mentors" channel |
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| 19:39.49 | stew | jbr_ux: #debian-i18n on irc.debian.org |
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| 19:39.59 | jelly-home | Gm4n: yay. you have a lot of raid1 device with a single mirror. |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | give stew an apple |
| 19:40.15 | Gm4n | jelly-home: yeah, I'm aware. I'm trying to redo my raid setup |
| 19:40.21 | stew | abrotman: i don't like them, they don't have enough mouse buttons |
| 19:40.22 | bc | how does one go about verifying that a disk was securely wiped (e.g. zeroes)? |
| 19:40.34 | Gm4n | how do I get rid of md0 entirely... will --fail --remove do it? |
| 19:40.40 | abrotman | stew: you can use aonther mouse with it .. it just gets confused when you used the other button |
| 19:40.50 | valdyn | Gm4n: like delete the raid forever? |
| 19:41.04 | Gm4n | md0 is something I just made, and it's getting in the way |
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| 19:41.23 | valdyn | Gm4n: --stop it, then zero the members superblocks ( --zero-superblock ) |
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| 19:42.21 | Gm4n | it still shows up in /proc/mdstat, valdyn :( |
| 19:42.37 | valdyn | Gm4n: it does not show up in /proc/mdstat after you stopped it |
| 19:42.47 | Gm4n | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/7521/ |
| 19:43.10 | valdyn | Gm4n: mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
| 19:43.23 | valdyn | Gm4n: md0 is not a member, sda1 is |
| 19:43.32 | Gm4n | ahh, ok |
| 19:43.37 | valdyn | Gm4n: that makes mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1 |
| 19:43.39 | Gm4n | so I zeroed the wrong superblock |
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| 19:43.47 | valdyn | Gm4n: no you did nothing |
| 19:44.01 | Gm4n | oh. sorry. |
| 19:44.15 | jelly-home | Gm4n: after that, you probably want to copy sdb's partition table over to sda |
| 19:44.23 | justin | magentar: worth a try, dunno much about that kind of hardware |
| 19:44.36 | Gm4n | I think I understand what's going on now, but I don't want to copy the partition table over |
| 19:44.43 | Gm4n | I'm trying to switch from many partitions to 1 |
| 19:44.51 | valdyn | bc: compare it to /dev/zero |
| 19:45.27 | valdyn | bc: its not securily wiped if it contains just zeroes by the way |
| 19:45.33 | magentar | i just tried rmmod ahci; modprobe ahci; and it seems to detect the devices, however it ends up with: ata8: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) |
| 19:45.33 | magentar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.41 | valdyn | bc: though we miss your definition of "securily wiped" |
| 19:45.49 | bluesceada_ | I've now installed the amd64 kernel on my athlon64 box - but with 32bit userspace ... i wonder if this has any advantage |
| 19:45.51 | justin | magentar: well, that's progress |
| 19:46.14 | justin | bc: to start with, cmp /dev/whatever /dev/zero |
| 19:46.20 | bc | valdyn: I'm not sure what product he used. I'm trying to find out. |
| 19:46.21 | bluesceada_ | everything worked fine, proprietary nvidia kernel modules with 3d acceleraton in X etc.... |
| 19:46.31 | bluesceada_ | but do I have any advantage? |
| 19:46.44 | valdyn | bc: modern disks have a builtin SECURE ERASE feature |
| 19:46.51 | justin | bluesceada_: do you have more than 4G of ram? |
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| 19:46.58 | bluesceada_ | justin: no |
| 19:47.16 | bluesceada_ | I want to be 100% compatible to 32bit apps, so I probably wont update too much of userspac |
| 19:47.26 | justin | bluesceada_: do you do lots of image processing or anything like that? |
| 19:47.27 | bluesceada_ | can i just partially update userspace or does all depend on glibc ? |
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| 19:47.37 | bluesceada_ | justin: hmm yeah sometimes image processing |
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| 19:47.46 | wols | bluesceada_: all depends but libc6 is 32 and 64bit both |
| 19:47.57 | justin | bluesceada_: well then sometimes things might go faster, but most of the time all 64bit will do is make things go slower |
| 19:48.00 | wols | but running a mixed 32/64 systemis not possible. either or. noth both |
| 19:48.05 | wols | unless you chroot |
| 19:48.16 | bluesceada_ | wols: ah and so all the stuff whic people had problems often with (proprietary stuff like flash etc.) will work without fiddling around too much |
| 19:48.24 | wols | bluesceada_: no |
| 19:48.30 | bluesceada_ | wols: hm just the kernel is 64bit at the moment |
| 19:48.41 | valdyn | bluesceada_: browser plugins arent much of an issue anymore |
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| 19:48.55 | bluesceada_ | justin: slower? ? |
| 19:49.12 | valdyn | bluesceada_: or just as fast |
| 19:49.16 | bluesceada_ | with a 64bit kernel aren't some kernel calls executed faster now as we can use 64bit opcodes? |
| 19:49.23 | valdyn | bluesceada_: theres no difference that really matters, unless you are close on ram |
| 19:49.27 | wols | bluesceada_: no |
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| 19:49.33 | bluesceada_ | wols: why not? |
| 19:49.53 | valdyn | bluesceada_: and why the hell would your workload mainly depend on system call speed? |
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| 19:50.08 | wols | cause not many apps actually need 64 bit and can be sped up |
| 19:50.20 | bluesceada_ | valdyn: yeh i wonder how much system calls are used within userspace<->linux |
| 19:50.23 | wols | otoh 64bit has bigger opcodes and leads to thrashing sooner |
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| 19:50.30 | valdyn | bluesceada_: top shows you |
| 19:50.31 | justin | 64bit has bigger everything |
| 19:50.43 | bluesceada_ | umm what is meant with "thrashing" ? |
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| 19:50.54 | bluesceada_ | valdyn: urks right, thanks |
| 19:50.57 | wols | cache too small to fit everything in |
| 19:51.07 | valdyn | bluesceada_: reading stuff on and out because space is not enough to work efficiently |
| 19:51.09 | bluesceada_ | ~1% |
| 19:51.10 | apt | 0.01 |
| 19:51.18 | bluesceada_ | wols: ah right |
| 19:51.22 | Gm4n | valdyn, jelly-home: I think I have things figured out now. Thank you SO much for the help! |
| 19:51.35 | valdyn | Gm4n: welcome |
| 19:51.36 | bluesceada_ | (I'm just at the moment learning how and 8bit controller works, so ...) |
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| 19:52.09 | dutchfish | hands bluesceada_ ax |
| 19:52.15 | bluesceada_ | thanks for the informations |
| 19:52.18 | bluesceada_ | dutchfish: "ax" |
| 19:52.47 | jelly-home | bluesceada_: is a cross between an axe and an ox |
| 19:52.56 | bluesceada_ | ? |
| 19:53.02 | enouf | pulls out the oboe |
| 19:53.02 | jelly-home | "ax" |
| 19:53.05 | bluesceada_ | the problem might be I'm not an english native speaker? |
| 19:53.09 | wols | it's eax for, hmm about 22 years now |
| 19:53.38 | jelly-home | prefers H/L :-) |
| 19:53.42 | enouf | "careful with that hatchet eugene!" |
| 19:53.57 | jelly-home | Syd Barrett lives. |
| 19:54.54 | dutchfish | wols, ;) |
| 19:54.55 | bluesceada_ | anyway: I better switch back to a 32bit kernel or doesnt it matter if it's "just" the kernel |
| 19:55.45 | jelly-home | <wols> but running a mixed 32/64 systemis not possible. ... in debian |
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| 19:55.59 | valdyn | bluesceada_: stick to your current kernel, thats ok, whichever it is |
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| 19:56.45 | jelly-home | gentoo and fedora/rhel do it (mixed 32/64 bit) with no issues |
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| 19:57.33 | valdyn | as does debian, to some extent |
| 19:57.51 | jelly-home | valdyn: you can't mix amd64 and i386 repos. |
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| 19:57.56 | valdyn | you just dont get a choice in any of these distros on a per package basis |
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| 19:58.07 | `7th_Sign | hello |
| 19:58.08 | jelly-home | valdyn: sure you do. |
| 19:58.21 | `7th_Sign | people I have a quiestion |
| 19:58.31 | malcom2073 | I have a nose. |
| 19:58.37 | valdyn | jelly-home: oh, really? |
| 19:58.40 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: multi-arch is a feature that we're quite well aware of; it'll probably get supported eventually, but to date there's no sane implementaitons of it. |
| 19:58.44 | jelly-home | valdyn: I have the same i386 and amd64 packages on my RHEL[45] |
| 19:59.14 | jelly-home | valdyn: er... installed at the same time. |
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| 19:59.39 | `7th_Sign | Can I compile a kernel in my linux-box then copy the vmlinuz and the /lib/modules/2.6xxx in my debian? |
| 19:59.50 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: yes. |
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| 20:00.34 | `7th_Sign | jelly, okz I'll try it thanks |
| 20:00.40 | magentar | justin, it seems to work when i blacklist ahci ;) |
| 20:00.49 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: if your "linux-box" is also debian and same arch, you can try using kernel-package to make packages out of it |
| 20:00.53 | dutchfish | magentar, good job |
| 20:01.09 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, is a gentoo |
| 20:01.12 | SerajewelKS | where can i obtain the .config files used to build stock debian kernels? |
| 20:01.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: from the package |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is it running? |
| 20:01.36 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, and both are the same acrh |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the package puts it in /boot/ |
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| 20:01.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, i'm building a different version than i am using |
| 20:01.46 | magentar | thank you |
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| 20:02.32 | SerajewelKS | i could probably fetch it from pdo, no? |
| 20:02.36 | stew | SerajewelKS: the linux-headers-$version package installs it to /usr/src/linux-headers-$version/.config |
| 20:02.37 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: oh, then just compile it, it'll work. If you really want, you can make a debian chroot on it but it's not worth doing for just one kernel build |
| 20:02.38 | dutchfish | !tell `7th_Sign about kp-mantra |
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| 20:02.55 | jelly-home | dutchfish: kp-mantra will not work on a gentoo |
| 20:03.06 | iank | I recall a neat script that would look through installed packages and list them sorted by disk usage (it was in apt, iirc). Anybody remember what it's called? (my google-fu is failing me) |
| 20:03.27 | SerajewelKS | stew: ah, nifty |
| 20:03.32 | dutchfish | jelly-home, oops, thought it was debian, excuse me |
| 20:03.35 | stew | iank: there is an example in the grep-dctrl manpage |
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| 20:04.04 | itchi | Hi, trying to migrate from NIS to ldap. Using the /usr/share/migrationtools/migrate_all_nis_online.sh and this fails because i get duplicated hosts. Checking this script and when doing ypcat hosts, effectively i get duplicated hosts. How can i remove this duplicated hosts from my nis? |
| 20:04.11 | iank | not the one I was talking about, but if it does the same thing I could care less. Thanks stew. |
| 20:04.26 | valdyn | iank: or fslint if you want a GUI |
| 20:04.31 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, thanks |
| 20:04.42 | itchi | Where does ypcat hosts take his data from? |
| 20:04.42 | iank | valdyn: no thanks :/ |
| 20:04.49 | `7th_Sign | dutchfish, what is kp-mantra? |
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| 20:05.03 | Gm4n | jelly-home: if I may pester you one last time, is this an acceptable new fstab? http://paste.debian.net/7524/ |
| 20:05.25 | dutchfish | `7th_Sign, a oneliner how to build a debian linux-image package |
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| 20:06.17 | `7th_Sign | dutchfish, ok |
| 20:06.28 | dutchfish | `7th_Sign, but it work only on debian, unfortunely |
| 20:06.29 | SerajewelKS | stew: weird, i seem to recall PDO letting you fetch a specific file out of a package |
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| 20:07.22 | `7th_Sign | dutchfish, well, rigth now I need a new kernel image for my debian |
| 20:07.33 | stew | SerajewelKS: not that I remember |
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| 20:08.00 | dutchfish | `7th_Sign, ask dpkg about kernel & kp-mantra then |
| 20:08.27 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: doing it the old fashioned way works. After you install it, you can run update-grub to automagically add it to grub config |
| 20:08.35 | mrnice` | i got problem with gnome-mount and my crypted usb harddrive, on one pc it works but on the other pc (older installation) it displays for the password, but than nothing happen, no mount no /dev/mapper... any clues? |
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| 20:09.06 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, update-grub? ok I'll do it |
| 20:09.41 | dutchfish | 0.o |
| 20:09.46 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: it's just a script that picks up available kernels and initrds in /boot and adds them to the menu |
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| 20:11.30 | swapon | hi all |
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| 20:12.16 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, what happend with grub.conf? update-grub makes all changes? |
| 20:13.00 | swapon | i just wanna ask, how must i do for generate xen-3.2-1-i386.gz when you do make-kpkg --append-to-version -xen kernel-image. Just only creates config-xen0-2.6.16.19-xen menu.lst System.map-xen0-2.6.16.19-xen xen0-linux-2.6.16.19-xen |
| 20:13.12 | mimcpher | `7th_Sign, you put a template config (commented out in grub.conf), and update-grub automagically makes a config with available kernels, as jelly-home said. |
| 20:13.33 | jelly-home | `7th_Sign: no there's a part of it that can be managed semi-automagically if you want it to |
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| 20:14.43 | enouf | swapon: make-kpkg builds a .deb |
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| 20:16.25 | swapon | enouf: yes, but when i dpkg -i .deb it does not create /boot/xen-3.0-i386.gz |
| 20:16.53 | `7th_Sign | jelly-home, ok I got it |
| 20:17.13 | `7th_Sign | let me work on it |
| 20:17.21 | `7th_Sign | thanks everybody |
| 20:17.32 | enouf | swapon: why would it? |
| 20:17.47 | enouf | swapon: run file -z on the file |
| 20:18.25 | enouf | swapon: note the kernel names in /boot which were installed using linux-image-version |
| 20:18.32 | swapon | enouf: sorry? |
| 20:18.38 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there is a tool that will look at my hardware and specify which driver modules i could do without |
| 20:18.46 | SerajewelKS | if i'm generating a kernel optimized for one specific machine |
| 20:18.59 | swapon | enouf: i am updating grub menu.lst |
| 20:19.13 | justin | SerajewelKS: the ones you could do without aren't being used |
| 20:19.14 | swapon | and i do not have kernel entry |
| 20:19.22 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, arch |
| 20:19.38 | SerajewelKS | justin: including non-modularized options |
| 20:19.50 | justin | SerajewelKS: you need those |
| 20:19.57 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, and you can script that too |
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| 20:20.54 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, -qDEB_HOST_ARCH |
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| 20:21.04 | swapon | enouf: i do not have kernel entry for here: http://paste.debian.net/7525/ |
| 20:21.05 | enouf | swapon: when you compile, prior to make-kpkg, you end up with a file such like; /arch/i386/boot/bzImage <--this is the kernel, which usually gets copied over into /boot and renamed (along with other files, like system.map, .config, etc), however, when you create a .deb with make-kpkg, all that is done for you |
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| 20:22.12 | enouf | swapon: why are you showing me some grub lines? |
| 20:22.33 | enouf | and who the heck put them there? |
| 20:22.33 | Orion_X11 | How can I set up debian to use sudo instead of root? Like we do in ubuntu |
| 20:22.44 | swapon | enouf: because i do not know what to put in kernel entry |
| 20:22.45 | dondelelcaro | Orion_X11: just install sudo and configure it using visudo |
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| 20:23.21 | Orion_X11 | dondelelcaro: which is best using root or sudo? |
| 20:23.22 | enouf | swapon: i told you, run "file -z xen0-linux-2.6.16.19-xen" |
| 20:23.36 | dondelelcaro | Orion_X11: doesn't make much difference. |
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| 20:23.56 | swapon | enouf: what is it for? |
| 20:23.59 | penguin_ | What is program to read dvi files? |
| 20:24.04 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: xdvi |
| 20:24.13 | swapon | enouf: sorry, i am newbie |
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| 20:24.37 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: sudo gives root too. it's just a different way than su to become root |
| 20:24.45 | erxz_paste | "ishan" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "pam-devel just wont install" (15 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/10162 |
| 20:24.47 | enouf | swapon: do what i ask, pastebin results |
| 20:25.07 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: and one doesn't exclude the other |
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| 20:25.25 | Orion_X11 | dondelelcaro Bushmills: the problem is when using root I am always afraid of deleting things that I couldn't mainly in my home directory. |
| 20:25.29 | swapon | enouf: sorry, i do not underestand you |
| 20:25.39 | dondelelcaro | Orion_X11: that's why you don't use root unless you absolutely need it. |
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| 20:25.53 | enouf | ok, say hello to the b0z0 box ;-) |
| 20:25.56 | dondelelcaro | Orion_X11: you su to root, or use sudo, do what you need to do, then exit the root shell. |
| 20:25.58 | Orion_X11 | dondelelcaro: I know, but at times I have to. |
| 20:26.01 | pablo | hi, where/how can i get a list of users/groups? |
| 20:26.14 | Bushmills | question is a bit like "what is better, suing an elevator or going to the 4th floor" |
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| 20:26.48 | dondelelcaro | pablo: there's no way to get the entire list on every system; you can use getent if you know a user or group. |
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| 20:26.49 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: su -c command |
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| 20:27.25 | dondelelcaro | pablo: otherwise, you can look directly at /etc/passwd or /etc/group or whatever method you're using to store users/groups. |
| 20:27.26 | swapon | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/7529/ |
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| 20:27.55 | pablo | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 20:28.08 | DynV | hi ! I have a DVD with a video_ts/ file structure (.ifo .bup .vob) exceeding the media size and I'm wondering what's preferable, to simply split the files and regroup them on the source or make an iso file and split them (with which program?) ? |
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| 20:28.33 | DynV | s/them/it/ |
| 20:28.59 | Bushmills | a user using sudo inflicts potentially the same amount of damage as a user becoming root through su |
| 20:29.03 | enouf | swapon: to be honest, i never used xen, and i forget if there are kernel modules or what's needed to boot into it .. i do recall there are separate grub entries for it - but a "module" line? i'm not familiar with that - i was just telling you how make-kpkg makes a .deb with which you then install from |
| 20:29.46 | penguin_ | xdvi.bin: Warning: Could not find graphics file "pst-algparser.pro" |
| 20:29.46 | penguin_ | xdvi.bin: Warning: Raw Postscript commands on page 1 may be rendered incorrectly |
| 20:29.47 | swapon | enouf: ok. |
| 20:30.02 | penguin_ | What does that mean? |
| 20:30.05 | swapon | enouf: i am leading http://bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=2362 |
| 20:30.21 | enouf | swapon: so, it seems you made something xen related - no idea what other pkgs you need, but that file is a typical ELF, and not a kernel (like i thought it might be) |
| 20:30.26 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: it means what it says; the first graphics file was external, and isn't available, and the postscript commands aren't rendered. |
| 20:30.39 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: if it matters, you can use dvips and view the output with gv, alternatively. |
| 20:30.57 | Nyle | hello guys |
| 20:31.10 | streuner | huhu Nyle :-) |
| 20:31.16 | itchi | How can i remove duplicated lines from a pipe output? |
| 20:31.24 | enouf | swapon: i guess i'll step back now, since i don't know what's required to build and install/use xen .. perhaps someone else will chime in |
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| 20:32.09 | itchi | I thought uniq could do the job, but seems only remove duplicated line if the duplicated follow the previous one |
| 20:32.18 | enouf | Nyle: hola dummy :-p |
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| 20:32.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:32.32 | enouf | itchi: sort first |
| 20:32.41 | itchi | enouf: Ah! right! |
| 20:32.41 | swapon | enouf: i am asking you, because the first time i do dpkg -i, it created me /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz noreboot, but it was a mismach CPU type , so i did make menuconfig, and redo dpkg -i .deb, but this time that file was not created |
| 20:32.42 | enouf | itchi: or sort with -u |
| 20:32.47 | enouf | or whatever it is |
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| 20:33.03 | Bushmills | itchi: sort output first |
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| 20:33.10 | itchi | chiises, i'm tired :-p |
| 20:33.16 | enouf | swapon: start with make clean, iirc |
| 20:33.26 | swapon | i did it |
| 20:33.34 | enouf | swapon: make-kpkg clean that is |
| 20:33.42 | swapon | make-kpkg clean |
| 20:33.46 | enouf | swapon: although, you lose your config |
| 20:33.46 | swapon | yes... |
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| 20:34.08 | enouf | then maybe uninstall the wrong .deb you installed? |
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| 20:34.11 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.29 | enouf | swapon: dpkg -P package-name.deb |
| 20:34.29 | swapon | mmm |
| 20:34.29 | swapon | yes. |
| 20:34.30 | Nyle | thats way too specific |
| 20:34.39 | swapon | i did not try it |
| 20:34.43 | Nyle | penguin_, search for algparser only |
| 20:34.51 | enouf | penguin_: try apt-file with that - or broaden search terms |
| 20:35.02 | Nyle | penguin_, you have a very narrow query |
| 20:35.03 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: uh... where did this dvi come from? |
| 20:35.18 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: since that file is part of the dvi, not something that Debian would normally provide. |
| 20:35.28 | Nyle | !dvi |
| 20:35.28 | dpkg | from memory, dvi is Digital Visual Interface. DeVice Independant (the output format of TeX) |
| 20:35.38 | penguin_ | tex Cartesian_coordinates_2D.tex |
| 20:35.49 | enouf | swapon: also, take a look at "/msg dpkg kp mantra" (if you haven't, though it seems you may have) |
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| 20:36.30 | streuner | argh, Paddy :-) |
| 20:36.30 | penguin_ | I am trying to use pstricks |
| 20:36.41 | Nyle | enouf, you know what mantra is? |
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| 20:37.06 | enouf | kum-bay-yah? |
| 20:37.08 | Nyle | its a sanskrit word, means spell |
| 20:37.29 | Nyle | like casting or reciting one |
| 20:37.32 | enouf | oh, my bad, then ; kum-bai-yah "={ |
| 20:37.43 | enouf | wow, typosmite me |
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| 20:37.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: "invocation", maybe |
| 20:38.02 | Nyle | jelly-home, probably a better word |
| 20:38.04 | Nyle | yes |
| 20:38.20 | enouf | invokes the 5th amendment |
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| 20:39.32 | Nyle | how does one submit amendments to the d-i installation guide? |
| 20:39.47 | Nyle | bugreport? |
| 20:39.56 | DynV | what program should I use to split a file ? |
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| 20:40.07 | streuner | Nyle: ask in #debian-boot |
| 20:40.16 | Nyle | grrr. |
| 20:40.18 | streuner | split? |
| 20:40.20 | linuxfreck | DynV, use split |
| 20:40.20 | Nyle | makin me join oftc |
| 20:40.23 | Nyle | !split |
| 20:40.23 | Bushmills | DynV: text file? |
| 20:40.23 | dpkg | methinks split is what the name says, it splits files into pieces. split --bytes=1400000 FILE FILE_ to split; cat FILE_* > FILE to merge. |
| 20:40.38 | DynV | Bushmills: binary |
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| 20:41.20 | streuner | Nyle: no worries, they are Debian people ;-) |
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| 20:41.28 | swapon | enouf: i removed that .deb, and when i install new deb, it creates me theses files: http://paste.debian.net/7532/ |
| 20:41.28 | Nyle | yeh but oftc |
| 20:41.31 | Nyle | c'mon man :( |
| 20:41.43 | Nyle | ahhhh boy (sigh) |
| 20:41.59 | swapon | enouf: but not /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz |
| 20:42.01 | DynV | what's the maximum size that will fit on a 4.7 Gb DVD, what should I keep for overhead ? |
| 20:42.08 | swapon | i am quite amazing |
| 20:42.18 | streuner | Nyle: who cares, iam on three different servers at the moment... |
| 20:42.20 | Nyle | DynV, 17mb |
| 20:42.25 | enouf | swapon: i don't know then, apologies |
| 20:42.34 | Nyle | DynV, ... 47mb |
| 20:42.49 | streuner | Nyle: and a lot of others too :-) |
| 20:42.54 | DynV | Nyle: thanks |
| 20:43.00 | Nyle | streuner, too much network! |
| 20:43.08 | Nyle | ircaholic! |
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| 20:43.22 | streuner | Nyle: sure, but that's life nowadays |
| 20:43.24 | enouf | swapon: maybe you made your kpkg a bit differently? or forgot the kernel_image and modules_image option(s)? |
| 20:44.05 | Nyle | afaik, cdroms/dvds usually require about 1% minimum overhead |
| 20:44.07 | swapon | enouf: i just did |
| 20:44.10 | swapon | make-kpkg clean |
| 20:44.11 | swapon | make-kpkg --append-to-version -xen kernel-image |
| 20:44.21 | swapon | and then dpkg --install |
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| 20:44.33 | enouf | swapon: no initrd eh? |
| 20:44.34 | Nyle | DynV, actual size reported in bytes is what you need to calculte not the bullshit 1024-24 bullshit |
| 20:44.44 | swapon | nops |
| 20:44.49 | Nyle | anyway, afaik its about 1% |
| 20:45.03 | Nyle | on average |
| 20:45.08 | enouf | swapon: see if there exists a bzImage in where i mentioned |
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| 20:46.19 | enouf | swapon: when you run file on a kernel image, you should bet output like this; : Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x1601, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA |
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| 20:46.35 | enouf | s/bet/get |
| 20:47.12 | Nyle | damn |
| 20:47.27 | Nyle | new egg is selling 750gb sata2 for 99$ no tax free shipping |
| 20:47.29 | Nyle | damn... |
| 20:47.36 | enouf | (and for some reason, i'm thinking you're using old xen stuff, but i forget if 3.0.2(3) is new, or was it 3.2(3)) |
| 20:47.37 | Nyle | I wonder how shitty the drives are |
| 20:47.50 | Nyle | enouf, btw do you know |
| 20:47.52 | enouf | Nyle: depends |
| 20:48.04 | Nyle | what does it mean if your dmesg gives a shitload of ata errors |
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| 20:48.10 | enouf | Nyle: i bought excellent quality PSUs on sale from there |
| 20:48.12 | Nyle | like ata1:1.blahblah |
| 20:48.17 | enouf | oh |
| 20:48.41 | Nyle | seem complete ready fail |
| 20:48.42 | Nyle | something |
| 20:48.45 | Nyle | seek* |
| 20:48.46 | enouf | well, could be lots of things, are you sure it's referring to a HDD? not an optical? |
| 20:48.53 | Nyle | its probably my optical |
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| 20:49.03 | Nyle | my hdds are reported by smartmontools to be A-OK! |
| 20:49.16 | Nyle | I put in a dvd but mplayer can't read it |
| 20:49.19 | enouf | Nyle: yeah, whenever i have media in my optical, and i run hdparm, i get flooded in dmesg with errors |
| 20:49.23 | Nyle | vlc plays it fine (I have libdvdcss2_ |
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| 20:49.29 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:49.37 | Benzi | hey, I have no idea where to ask this, so I'll ask it here |
| 20:49.44 | Nyle | Benzi, stop. |
| 20:49.47 | Benzi | alright |
| 20:49.49 | Benzi | sorry Nyle |
| 20:49.50 | Nyle | Benzi, first ask yourself this |
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| 20:49.57 | Nyle | Benzi, is it related to debian? |
| 20:49.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:50.06 | enouf | Nyle: but i'm using old kernel, older hardware, etc, though hdparm is newest from unstable (as of a month or so maybe) |
| 20:50.07 | Benzi | Nyle, you could have left it at stop |
| 20:50.16 | enouf | you type like a friggin robot, stop it :-P |
| 20:50.36 | Nyle | Benzi, but then how would you know what I wanted to tell you? |
| 20:50.37 | enouf | oh, it's not just you who's yellow :-P |
| 20:50.50 | Benzi | well, you know |
| 20:50.51 | Nyle | enouf, what are you on about |
| 20:50.52 | Benzi | the word "stop" |
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| 20:50.59 | Benzi | self-explanatory |
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| 20:51.14 | Nyle | Benzi, if your question is debian related, shoot. |
| 20:51.21 | Benzi | it's not really |
| 20:51.38 | Benzi | I'm looking for an application or function of an application and I have no idea where to start |
| 20:51.48 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:51.49 | Nyle | shoot |
| 20:51.50 | DeltaS4 | anybody know how to input traditional chinese here? |
| 20:51.57 | Nyle | DeltaS4, using scim I hear |
| 20:52.06 | Nyle | !scim |
| 20:52.17 | Nyle | blah |
| 20:52.21 | jelly-home | Benzi: just ask your question already! |
| 20:52.23 | Benzi | I'm looking for an application that lets me do a sort of book-printing thing |
| 20:52.55 | Benzi | where I print my document onto letter paper, but it does two pages per sheet, and orders the sheets so that I can stack them and fold them and it will make a book |
| 20:53.02 | themill | Benzi: you mean prints 4 pages on one sheet in an odd order so you can staple them together in the middle? |
| 20:53.05 | jelly-home | Benzi: collate pages in certain order? do 2-on-1 printing? |
| 20:53.15 | Nyle | p scim-chinese - smart pinyin IM engine for SCIM (transitional package) |
| 20:53.18 | Benzi | yeah, ha I'm such a noob |
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| 20:53.46 | Nyle | doesn't open office allow this? |
| 20:53.49 | Benzi | like, if I have 10 pages I want to print, it will print pages 1 and 10 on one sheet, then etc. |
| 20:53.50 | Nyle | and if not, why not? |
| 20:53.51 | rahul | can't ps2ps do that? |
| 20:53.54 | rahul | or psnup |
| 20:53.54 | Benzi | I have no idea |
| 20:53.56 | Benzi | help me |
| 20:54.01 | Nyle | this book printing seems like a freakin' office tool |
| 20:54.06 | Benzi | yes |
| 20:54.08 | Benzi | what do I do lol |
| 20:54.10 | jelly-home | Benzi: a2ps, maybe |
| 20:54.22 | rahul | jelly-home: "a"? |
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| 20:54.27 | Benzi | anything |
| 20:54.30 | themill | the kde print system certainly can... |
| 20:54.32 | Benzi | a = anything |
| 20:54.35 | rahul | oh, that's not the ascii one |
| 20:54.39 | Nyle | of course it can |
| 20:54.41 | Benzi | themill, HOW ;-) |
| 20:54.42 | Nyle | kde kicks ass |
| 20:54.46 | Benzi | I like kde |
| 20:54.49 | jelly-home | rahul: it's a bit simpler than psnup and ps2ps |
| 20:54.50 | Benzi | but why don't you clue me in |
| 20:54.55 | Benzi | please |
| 20:55.02 | jelly-home | rahul: has a few predefines |
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| 20:55.12 | rahul | oh, psbook, maybe |
| 20:55.15 | Nyle | print to file... |
| 20:55.17 | Nyle | postscript |
| 20:55.30 | rahul | yeah, psbook is exactly that |
| 20:55.34 | themill | Benzi: when you hit print, you define a filter for the job. Pamphlet, I think it's called. |
| 20:55.38 | rahul | it's in the psnup man page |
| 20:55.45 | themill | Benzi: But some of these other options might actually be easier ;) |
| 20:55.54 | Benzi | ? |
| 20:55.57 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:56.00 | Nyle | !info a2ps |
| 20:56.16 | jelly-home | well, the filter thing in kde really calls those postscript munging apps |
| 20:56.17 | Nyle | damn slow as bot |
| 20:56.22 | dpkg | a2ps: (GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' converter and pretty-printer), section text, is optional. Version: 1:4.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 904 kB, Installed size: 4244 kB |
| 20:56.24 | Nyle | sends dpkg some more ram and a faster cpu |
| 20:56.36 | Nyle | dpkg stats |
| 20:56.36 | dpkg | Since Tue Jun 17 20:31:35 2008, there have been 57 modifications, 1746 questions, 333 dunnos, 4 morons and 501 commands. I have been awake for 7d 25m 1s this session, and currently reference 38233 factoids. I'm using about 16856 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 693.52/47.8 child 0.01/0.01 |
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| 20:57.15 | streuner | blootbot is nasty |
| 20:57.15 | Benzi | whoa, the filter worked |
| 20:57.16 | Benzi | heh |
| 20:57.21 | Nyle | streuner, info... |
| 20:57.27 | themill | Benzi: :) |
| 20:57.31 | streuner | it needs some CPU and RAM |
| 20:57.58 | Nyle | I got a gig of dd2 667 sitting right here |
| 20:58.00 | Nyle | on my table |
| 20:58.43 | jelly-home | !wtf waf |
| 20:58.44 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what waf means... |
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| 20:59.18 | Nyle | me gustas tu |
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| 21:00.40 | DynV | what command do I use to merge splitted files ? |
| 21:00.47 | themill | DynV: cat |
| 21:00.50 | DynV | ty |
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| 21:01.48 | South3rn | LA BANDA TUYA - Pista 10 |
| 21:01.57 | South3rn | sorry |
| 21:02.39 | swapon | enouf: soorry i was out |
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| 21:03.22 | enouf | swapon: i'm doing many things at once here too |
| 21:03.56 | swapon | where to find bzimage? |
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| 21:04.29 | enouf | swapon: prior to make-kpkg, did you do make menuconfig? |
| 21:04.40 | swapon | enouf: i did |
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| 21:05.29 | enouf | swapon: ok, well which arch is this again? |
| 21:06.01 | enouf | it would be in kernel source dir ./arch/i386/boot/bzImage |
| 21:06.06 | enouf | if i386 |
| 21:06.12 | enouf | use find |
| 21:06.35 | swapon | under boot? |
| 21:06.40 | enouf | cd /src ; find . -name "bzImage" |
| 21:06.48 | enouf | no, under your source dir |
| 21:07.20 | swapon | nops |
| 21:07.22 | swapon | no match |
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| 21:08.35 | enouf | well, you didn't make one then, for some reason .. you're missing something .. not sure what |
| 21:08.55 | enouf | IF you're even supposed to have one |
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| 21:17.18 | saucerful | hey. i have a file in which some of the lines are filenames. i want to strip the directories from these and leave just the filename |
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| 21:17.33 | saucerful | i can assume that the filenames are on lines by themselves and all start with / |
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| 21:17.41 | saucerful | can someone tell me the appropriate sed command |
| 21:17.44 | dondelelcaro | saucerful: you're looking for basename. |
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| 21:18.08 | saucerful | oh looks good, thanks |
| 21:18.32 | Argand | which stream soruce would you recommend for shoutcast server that can work console and play both mp3 and wma files if possible? |
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| 21:20.17 | \3TATUK | Hi.. I'm having an issue where anytime I connect my laptop through a router.. major packets are lost. It appears my download limit gets capped at 1Mb down, whereas when it's not through the router on the same connection, I easily get 4Mb down. This is independent of which router I use, Also, my desktop (running the same OS) does not get this issue. It gets 4Mb down even through a router. Any... |
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| 21:20.19 | \3TATUK | ...ideas on what's going on? |
| 21:20.35 | Bushmills | Argand: you may want to look at ezstream, though you'd need to tweak the config for wma (let it do on-the-fly conversion to ogg or mp3) |
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| 21:20.58 | relix | Hey |
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| 21:21.24 | relix | I've got a qeustion about ssh/sshd, but there is no one answering in #openssh, so I guess I'll ask it here and hope someone has been in the same situation |
| 21:21.53 | relix | for SSH, using authorized_keys, is it possible to log which public key from that file a user used when logging in |
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| 21:22.27 | Argand | if we exclude the wma format can "muse" be a good choice. the latest version seems to be releasedat 2005, which seems a bit old to me? |
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| 21:24.01 | Bushmills | relix: setting sshd logging to debug mode should do. not verified that though |
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| 21:24.21 | relix | Bushmills ok, I'll try that |
| 21:24.26 | relix | where do I set that though? |
| 21:24.26 | DynV | My DVD drive is 3-4 years old, is it able to burn a 8.5 Gb one ? |
| 21:24.30 | Bushmills | and be prepared to get a lot of info in the logs |
| 21:24.37 | relix | I've checked man sshd and man sshd_config but couldn't find anything about logs |
| 21:24.46 | relix | heh, nothing a good grep'ing couldn't fix ;) |
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| 21:24.46 | DynV | s/DVD drive/DVD burner |
| 21:25.00 | m-c__ | Was trying to install Debian under QEMU and I received a red-screen error saying the file installations failed because the installer was not able to configure a printer. |
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| 21:25.07 | Bushmills | relix: /etc/defaults/ssh in SSHD_OPTS |
| 21:25.14 | Gm4n | I know this isn't a debian problem, but my server is stuck in rescue mode. Is there anything I could look at unmounting (or telling the CD drive to eject, perhaps?) |
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| 21:25.55 | DynV | Gm4n: you know the needle in the hole trick ? |
| 21:26.13 | Bushmills | relix: uhm .. problem... "The server also will not fork and will only process one connection." |
| 21:26.22 | Gm4n | DynV: do you know the needle-in-the-hole-that's-2000-miles-away trick? |
| 21:26.28 | Gm4n | I wish :( |
| 21:26.37 | DynV | Gm4n: oh ! :( |
| 21:27.26 | SparFux1 | What package to install for gnome print managment system to use it with firefox 3.0? |
| 21:27.33 | rahsputin | i am connected to a router over a wireless connection. i have a list from $ netstat -a how and what should i adjust the listed to have a securer connection to the net : http://rafb.net/p/oMEOcE60.html |
| 21:27.48 | relix | Bushmills I found the option in sshd_config |
| 21:27.56 | relix | there's nothing on not forking in there? |
| 21:28.28 | Bushmills | well, i quoted from the man page |
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| 21:29.24 | SparFux1 | sad thing there is no fasterfox available for 3.0 :-) |
| 21:29.51 | Bushmills | relix: try LogLevel from sshd.conf instead |
| 21:30.13 | relix | yes, that's what I'm doing now :) |
| 21:30.17 | relix | just tried it, it does fork |
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| 21:30.44 | relix | "Jun 24 23:30:57 Seven sshd[12536]: Found matching DSA key: a3:75:82:04:30:84:f0:a3:b8:c4:30:51:f1:64:46:3d |
| 21:30.44 | relix | " |
| 21:30.44 | rahsputin | i am connected to a router over a wireless connection. i have a list from $ netstat -a how and what should i adjust the listed to have a securer connection to the net : http://rafb.net/p/oMEOcE60.html |
| 21:30.52 | relix | nice :) |
| 21:30.53 | rahsputin | oops soorry for that |
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| 21:33.00 | enouf | Gm4n: eject /dev/hdc or whatever, the -t to close it |
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| 21:34.09 | enouf | DynV: go google for the specs, see if it handles DL (Dual Layer) media - DVD-9 IIRC |
| 21:34.30 | relix | thanks Bushmills! |
| 21:34.39 | Bushmills | relix: np |
| 21:34.40 | DynV | enouf: thanks |
| 21:35.20 | esaym | how do I undo krandrtray settings? I set a res but it trashed my desktop and now I can't see, even if I kill x and restart |
| 21:35.27 | DynV | I forgot the command to get media details ... |
| 21:35.31 | DeltaS4 | what is the difference between unicode and Big5 fonts? they both display utf-8 encoded chinese text... |
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| 21:36.32 | enouf | DynV: dvd+rw-mediainfo |
| 21:36.36 | themill | esaym: you could untick the "apply settings on startup" box in the configure dialogue |
| 21:36.57 | esaym | I can only use console log in. |
| 21:37.05 | DynV | enouf: ty, is it part of a info command family ? |
| 21:37.16 | themill | esaym: does X crash or does it just look like garbage? |
| 21:37.17 | enouf | DynV: install dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:37.29 | esaym | looks like digital hell ;) |
| 21:37.53 | esaym | think I might have found the conf file for it, one sec |
| 21:38.05 | enouf | esaym: yeah, untick those silly apply on startup crap options |
| 21:38.26 | themill | esaym: krandr won't save the config to xorg.conf; you just need to prevent it from starting up |
| 21:38.45 | esaym | yea, I just deleted the conf in the home directory |
| 21:39.03 | enouf | esaym: ctrl-esc will bring up the kmenu :-P or fireup kcontrol from an xterm |
| 21:39.58 | themill | enouf: ctrl+esc is the process table viewer by default |
| 21:40.05 | enouf | not here |
| 21:40.29 | enouf | and i never altered any keybindings |
| 21:40.53 | themill | enouf: I just tested it on a clean user on mrs themill's laptop... |
| 21:41.08 | enouf | themill: i'm not lying either ;-) |
| 21:41.20 | themill | enouf: I believe you. Most odd though |
| 21:41.39 | enouf | i recall it was always like that here .. as far as i recall |
| 21:41.55 | themill | enouf: KControlCentre shows Ctrl+Esc as being the default. Is your install a sarge box that was upgraded? |
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| 21:42.03 | enouf | i remember, how funny, kust like windows - tastes just like chicken :-P |
| 21:42.15 | enouf | themill: yep |
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| 21:42.44 | themill | enouf: I wonder if it used to be different and it ended up in your config |
| 21:42.49 | enouf | tell me where to look in that mess - i'll see what it says |
| 21:43.10 | DynV | enouf: that's not it, the command I used showed the manufacturer and details, even the power usage of the usb device ! :D |
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| 21:44.00 | enouf | DynV: huh? there are others - but USB info? crap, lsusb? usbviewer? wtf? cdrecord/wodim -prcap -atip |
| 21:44.12 | themill | enouf: KControlCentre->Regional->Kb shortcuts->Shortcut schemes->Global->search taskman |
| 21:44.26 | enouf | DynV: you want Drive Info? or Media info - you said Media |
| 21:44.29 | themill | enouf: But there are different schemes you can have. I wonder if you've got a different scheme |
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| 21:44.45 | DynV | enouf: sorry I'm noob |
| 21:45.15 | enouf | themill: i see - let me poke in there - be patient, it'll take 30 years or so for kcontrol to open - hang in there :-P |
| 21:45.35 | themill | enouf: get a faster machine! |
| 21:45.59 | enouf | themill: the machine is plenty fast - get my drift? :-P |
| 21:46.32 | DynV | enouf: it is for media but I though the command I used would work on drives too |
| 21:46.36 | themill | enouf: I don't find kcontrol that bad on my laptop, ergo your laptop must be a PoS. |
| 21:46.37 | themill | hides behind the sofa |
| 21:47.39 | stew | you mean like a cash register? |
| 21:48.02 | simNIX | Ive installed apache2 - as far as I know it has ssl build in - I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 which explains how to enable ssl - it talks of apache2-ssl-certificate which find and whereis can't find |
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| 21:48.19 | simNIX | is there a pkg I need to add to have apache2 with ssl ? |
| 21:48.31 | infinitycircuit | how do i get update-initramfs to stop complaining about kernels htat i have removed? |
| 21:48.37 | enouf | themill: it just says, Current Scheme (in the drop down) and when i search for Global, it returns a small tree view of Miscellaneous > Block Global Shortcuts .. and shows nothing :-P |
| 21:48.38 | kazol | Would software RAID-5 work in Debian? The wiki states that it has not been tested for some reason. |
| 21:48.40 | infinitycircuit | e.g. /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-rc6-zen2-dmr-1 does not exist. Cannot update. |
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| 21:49.45 | enouf | themill: craptop? no wai, this baby was top-o-line multimedia at one time .. (do not ask when, or i'll shoot you) :-P |
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| 21:50.19 | themill | enouf: don't search for global, search for taskman |
| 21:50.41 | enouf | oh crap - i closed it out now .. got a few more years? :-P |
| 21:50.55 | bushblows | anyone know any fixes, or suggestions for getting flash to work with sound on iceweasel, on etch? |
| 21:51.29 | enouf | Aha, Show TaskManager == Alt+Ctrl+Delete |
| 21:51.57 | bushblows | I allready have ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" set in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc, I have install alsa-(base, oss, tools, utils). no dice. |
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| 21:52.08 | enouf | you said Profile Mangler anyway O_o |
| 21:52.11 | bushblows | I doubt anyone has a fix that will work ,just curious to hear though. |
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| 21:52.33 | stew | infinitycircuit: does "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-rc6-zen2-dmr-1" exist? does /lib/modules/2.6.26-rc6-zen2-dmr-1 exist? does /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-rc6-zen2-dmr-1 exist? |
| 21:52.38 | tyler7382 | how do i add a directory to all users's PATH's? |
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| 21:53.19 | stew | tyler7382: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 21:53.36 | tyler7382 | ty |
| 21:54.11 | stew | bushblows: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
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| 21:54.48 | sbyrne | Is there no xlock program in testing? |
| 21:54.55 | enouf | DynV: well wodim -prcap dev=/dev/name works well here .. other things are cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info ; dmesg ; and like cdrdao scanbus (also a wodim/cdrecord command) |
| 21:55.16 | stew | sbyrne: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:55.27 | kazol | Would software RAID-5 work in Debian? The wiki states that it has not been tested for some reason. |
| 21:55.32 | infinitycircuit | stew: none of the above |
| 21:55.48 | stew | sbyrne: actually, no, there isn't, its in xlockmore, which is currently not in testing |
| 21:55.56 | stew | kazol: yes |
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| 21:56.00 | stew | kazol: which wiki? |
| 21:56.20 | enouf | themill: can i close this now? |
| 21:56.31 | tyler7382 | stew: is there an easy way to do it for all users? that explains how to change the PATH for the current user only |
| 21:56.34 | stew | infinitycircuit: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:56.45 | kazol | stew: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
| 21:56.58 | infinitycircuit | stew: 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 21:57.01 | kazol | stew: "Note that only RAID 0 and RAID 1 have been tested by the developers of the component. RAID 5 is untested." |
| 21:57.03 | themill | enouf: interesting logout is Ctrl+Alt+Del here. Fun. (yeah, close it). |
| 21:57.12 | stew | tyler7382: that page gives more than one way |
| 21:57.24 | enouf | themill: hehe |
| 21:57.36 | bushblows | stew: ya |
| 21:57.54 | \3TATUK | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19) |
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| 21:58.23 | enouf | themill: fwiw, it says in help > about kde > 3.5.7 (no don't bug me about it :-p) |
| 21:58.35 | themill | enouf: same. |
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| 21:59.40 | stew | kazol: oh, this is specifically about preseeding. are you preseeding? |
| 21:59.49 | enouf | themill: IIRC, and i don't, ctrl-alt-del on windows xp brings up it's task mangler |
| 22:00.11 | enouf | or was it ctrl-shift-esc? |
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| 22:00.18 | themill | enouf: the latter |
| 22:00.22 | enouf | gah, who cares |
| 22:00.45 | S4nD3r | Please, my pendrive is not recognized, what to do ??? I insert usbstick, this is not showed to be mounted, how solve it? |
| 22:01.32 | enouf | themill: what would 1 press of ctrl-alt-delete bring up? process viewer? something so you could kill things, IIRC .. |
| 22:01.50 | kazol | stew: So it's for automated installation? No, I'm just installing manually. |
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| 22:02.10 | themill | enouf: nfc I think it takes you back to the login screen |
| 22:02.23 | enouf | ok, nm then ;-) |
| 22:03.14 | enouf | (i'm thinking of 98 too i think - rarely even touched xpoop) |
| 22:03.48 | stew | kazol: the section on manually installs won't contain such warnings: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 22:04.47 | S4nD3r | What to do?? |
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| 22:05.10 | kazol | stew: Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:06.32 | enouf | S4nD3r: run udevmonitor as root ; unplug/replug .. likely you need some proprietary driver, or your drive is toast |
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| 22:07.07 | enouf | S4nD3r: pastebin the output |
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| 22:07.15 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 22:07.15 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 22:08.02 | S4nD3r | here: http://rafb.net/p/NCcOR162.html |
| 22:08.46 | enouf | yesh, that's some proprietary piece of shit |
| 22:09.30 | S4nD3r | Is a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop |
| 22:09.40 | enouf | no, the pen drive |
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| 22:09.59 | S4nD3r | its danelec |
| 22:10.08 | enouf | Danny who? |
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| 22:10.31 | S4nD3r | It was working !!!! |
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| 22:10.44 | enouf | when? with linux? |
| 22:10.49 | S4nD3r | yes |
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| 22:11.00 | S4nD3r | last week I used it |
| 22:11.07 | enouf | on debian? |
| 22:11.20 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 22:11.27 | enouf | ok, you fried it :-P |
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| 22:12.47 | S4nD3r | all sticks? |
| 22:13.02 | enouf | how many? all the same? |
| 22:13.03 | kazol | Is it ok if I install on only 2 partitions (/ and swap)? |
| 22:13.14 | enouf | !pen drive |
| 22:13.22 | S4nD3r | I have 3 here |
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| 22:13.32 | S4nD3r | 2 kingston |
| 22:13.46 | S4nD3r | neither is found by linux |
| 22:14.02 | S4nD3r | USB mouse is working properly |
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| 22:14.29 | milligan | Anyone here that uses ISPConfig? |
| 22:14.38 | S4nD3r | What to do ? |
| 22:15.05 | beardy | If it's a proprietary product, and/or not packaged in Debian, ask elsewhere. |
| 22:15.07 | enouf | !usb_storage |
| 22:15.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 22:15.50 | beardy | BSD license apparently. |
| 22:15.56 | S4nD3r | how to load usb-storage? |
| 22:16.01 | enouf | S4nD3r: did it require some proprietary module do you know? |
| 22:16.14 | enouf | modprobe usb_storage |
| 22:16.59 | tavito | hello, I have debian lenny and since yesterday I can't play videos in totem nor create video thumbnails in nautilus, All that can be seen is a green rectangle (sound works ok) |
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| 22:17.29 | rascal999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.42 | S4nD3r | I runned modprobe, nothing happens |
| 22:18.22 | S4nD3r | If I restart OS with pendrive connected, this is recognized! |
| 22:18.30 | kazol | Is it ok if I install on only 2 partitions (/ and swap)? |
| 22:18.34 | enouf | (Doesn't anyone see the infestation of windows type support issues? with the advent of there bloated DEs) |
| 22:18.45 | enouf | kazol: sure |
| 22:19.19 | kazol | enouf: But what will happen if it gets corrupted? |
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| 22:19.25 | enouf | S4nD3r: not even funny - something isn't loading .. get it to work withouth rebooting with pen drive inserted |
| 22:19.28 | S4nD3r | is there a /etc/modules right? |
| 22:19.49 | enouf | kazol: same thing as if you had more - or less |
| 22:19.50 | S4nD3r | myone theres just loo and fuse |
| 22:19.53 | enouf | S4nD3r: yes |
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| 22:19.57 | kazol | ok |
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| 22:20.03 | S4nD3r | loop* |
| 22:20.19 | S4nD3r | is there a command to load all devices?? |
| 22:20.21 | ddalton | hey where can I get a prebuilt 2.6.25 kernel from? (debian lenny, i386) |
| 22:20.22 | enouf | S4nD3r: but ,, use lsmod to see what's missing when you boot wthout it working |
| 22:20.26 | S4nD3r | dpkgsomething |
| 22:20.37 | enouf | S4nD3r: you made and installed your own kernel? |
| 22:21.12 | S4nD3r | http://rafb.net/p/E04PFh60.html |
| 22:21.14 | wols | ddalton: 2.6.25 is sid only. you could install the sid package |
| 22:21.17 | S4nD3r | I tried |
| 22:21.21 | enouf | S4nD3r: something major changed between now and last week |
| 22:21.33 | enouf | like a new kernel - or upgrade |
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| 22:21.48 | S4nD3r | YEs... I upgraded all system |
| 22:22.05 | \3TATUK | How can I instruct my ethernet card to use the skge module instead of sky2? |
| 22:22.08 | S4nD3r | Shoud I use older ??? All will comeback normally? |
| 22:22.08 | enouf | well congrats, and thanls for telling us |
| 22:22.49 | enouf | is afk |
| 22:23.03 | ddalton | ah ok, thanks. |
| 22:23.07 | rahsputin | is there a support room for iptables ? |
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| 22:23.14 | stew | rahsputin: #iptables |
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| 22:23.20 | rahsputin | ;) |
| 22:23.23 | stew | \3TATUK: you can blacklist sky2: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:24.06 | S4nD3r | Is possible to recover? |
| 22:24.16 | \3TATUK | stew: Simply blacklisting sky2 will force it to use skge? |
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| 22:25.22 | alilou | hi, every one. |
| 22:25.39 | stew | \3TATUK: if both modules support your hardware, then the first one loaded will be bound to it. if you blacklist one it will never be loaded. you can list the other in /etc/modules to force it to be loaded |
| 22:26.03 | S4nD3r | I will need to format all system? |
| 22:26.52 | alilou | I am having a problem making my wifi card working on an ibm x60s... can anyone help please....I have installed all the necessary drivers.. I think... firmware for IPW3945, ipw3945.... |
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| 22:27.45 | enouf | S4nD3r: no, but you have to fix it, somehow, again, find out from lsmod dmesg and logs what's diff when you boot with it plugged and when not plugged |
| 22:27.54 | stew | alilou: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:27.57 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 22:28.27 | Nazcafan | I am upgrading my system and realised the naming scheme has changed for cups |
| 22:28.35 | \3TATUK | stew: But how do I bind skge specifically with eth1? ..Say I put skge in /etc/modules, who's to say it will be loaded for eth1 instead of sky2? Assuming I don't want to blacklist sky2. (Because I theoretically have another card I want to use it with) |
| 22:28.38 | Nazcafan | cupsys -> cups |
| 22:28.41 | alilou | stew: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 22:29.18 | Nazcafan | all my former cupsys-* packages are now listed in deborphan, but cupsys itself |
| 22:29.36 | Nazcafan | how comes cupsys is not listed by deborphan ? |
| 22:30.00 | enouf | \3TATUK: man modprobe.conf |
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| 22:30.44 | alilou | stew: is there anything else I should have done to load the module? |
| 22:30.54 | S4nD3r | hellow |
| 22:30.58 | stew | alilou: modprobe iwl3945 |
| 22:31.04 | S4nD3r | I restarted using old kernel |
| 22:31.08 | S4nD3r | Is working !!! |
| 22:31.24 | stew | \3TATUK: i believe you can alias eth1 to the module name in modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf) |
| 22:31.59 | themill | alilou: do you have the regulatory daemon? (ipw3945d) |
| 22:32.00 | stew | alilou: if you've already loaded it, then run "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945" and look at the last dozen or so lines from dmesg |
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| 22:32.02 | alilou | stew: I got a message: FATAL: Module iwl3945d not found. |
| 22:32.12 | themill | stew: wrong driver |
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| 22:32.17 | stew | oops |
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| 22:32.22 | stew | alilou: listen to themill |
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| 22:32.25 | themill | (no!) |
| 22:32.34 | stew | !iwl3945 |
| 22:32.34 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch> and <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:32.39 | stew | damn |
| 22:32.45 | stew | !ipw3945 |
| 22:32.45 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 22:32.50 | stew | alilou: ^^^ |
| 22:32.53 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 22:33.54 | enouf | ? |
| 22:34.00 | S4nD3r | enouf: Here |
| 22:34.01 | S4nD3r | ehehehe |
| 22:34.06 | S4nD3r | Iwas looking for you |
| 22:34.15 | enouf | you found me |
| 22:34.33 | S4nD3r | I will remove the kernel is not working good |
| 22:34.34 | enouf | but .. [tag] you're it :-P |
| 22:34.38 | enouf | runs |
| 22:34.56 | enouf | S4nD3r: sounds like a plan .. which kernel is it? |
| 22:35.26 | S4nD3r | 2.6.24-17 |
| 22:35.34 | S4nD3r | is something I did wrong |
| 22:35.42 | enouf | and the working one is? |
| 22:36.10 | enouf | S4nD3r: oh? who made that .24-17 ??? |
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| 22:36.37 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 22:36.45 | enouf | !beat S4nD3r |
| 22:36.45 | dpkg | beats S4nD3r with a large stick. |
| 22:37.08 | themill | alilou: have you installed the ipw3945d package? modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 should get you going. |
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| 22:39.28 | S4nD3r | so.. |
| 22:39.31 | S4nD3r | thanks enouf |
| 22:39.36 | S4nD3r | I will solve this one! |
| 22:39.37 | enouf | themill: and stew are those ipw things always onboard? or can they be bought as PCI/PCMCIA/ExpressBus Cards ? |
| 22:40.01 | alilou | Themill: sorry, I was trying... yes I have... but modprob... gave me an error message |
| 22:40.09 | enouf | np S4nD3r ;-) next time, tell us that upfront ok? ;-) |
| 22:40.24 | alilou | themill: should I remove it all together and start again |
| 22:40.33 | themill | alilou: no, what's the error? |
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| 22:41.37 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 22:41.40 | themill | enouf: minipci only I gather. We've had people in here with them sitting in an adapter in their desktop before, but I don't think it's available as a bit of consumer kit |
| 22:41.44 | alilou | themill: http://pastebin.com/m57a03342 |
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| 22:42.12 | themill | alilou: how did you install the module? |
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| 22:43.17 | alilou | well, I did it via synaptic ... but also, tried to install it via module assistant |
| 22:43.29 | enouf | the reason i ask is; supposedly Atheros is supported well, and perhaps some Ralinks (newer ones with madwifi? or serailmonkey?) anyways, how about Externally added Intel Cards? .. ahh ok, i see, thanks themill .. |
| 22:43.40 | alilou | themill: well, I did it via synaptic ... but also, tried to install it via module assistant |
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| 22:45.14 | themill | alilou: hmm. perhaps revert back to the prebuilt package: aptitude reinstall ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 22:45.30 | alilou | themill: I will try that |
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| 22:49.06 | alilou | themill: I have removed every thing... started again by aptitude reinstll ip....done |
| 22:49.38 | alilou | themill: but now, looking at synaptic... nothing look like is installed with relation to ipw39.. |
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| 22:50.31 | rahsputin | hello.how can i adjust the listed to avoid/reduce the chance of intrusion to my laptop. http://rafb.net/p/xkF1N915.html |
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| 22:51.04 | themill | alilou: can you pastebin the output of: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*ipw39\* |
| 22:51.20 | marsje | hi all. I'm trying to setup nfs on my debian etch server and mounting it with my ubuntu client. It seems like the mounting goes ok, but I can't do anything on it without getting a "permission denied", even as root and even on the server! |
| 22:51.25 | marsje | what did I do? |
| 22:53.15 | alilou | themill: http://pastebin.com/m1be0e97a |
| 22:53.28 | alilou | Themill: this is the only output I got |
| 22:54.18 | themill | alilou: looks fine to me. So now: modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 |
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| 22:56.24 | hmmhesays | anyone know why top is telling me init is using 300Mb of memory? |
| 22:56.49 | alilou | themill: same error message like the fist one themill: http://pastebin.com/m57a03342 |
| 22:57.17 | themill | alilou: what's the output of dmesg | tail |
| 22:58.33 | alilou | themill: http://pastebin.com/m5809bc95 |
| 22:59.13 | themill | alilou: did you try upgrading or compiling your own ieee80211 modules at some stage? |
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| 22:59.40 | alilou | no, I just intalled the system on laptop |
| 23:00.20 | alilou | I have used module-assistance before.... but removed everything and reinstall every thing back again |
| 23:00.21 | themill | alilou: can you run "depmod -a" for me and then try the modprobe again |
| 23:00.46 | alilou | themill: nothing |
| 23:00.51 | themill | :) |
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| 23:00.57 | themill | alilou: nothing means no error |
| 23:01.03 | alilou | yes |
| 23:01.08 | alilou | themill: yes |
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| 23:02.36 | Mikesss1 | Lenny is looking good :) |
| 23:02.44 | fas3r | it's possible to see size files on tree ? ( for example /usr/var/ and all subdirectories) ? |
| 23:03.31 | Mikesss1 | fas3r, file manager super user mode,,left hand panel |
| 23:03.38 | alilou | themil: am I mean to find ieee driver installed , cause I can not see anything to it on synaptic |
| 23:04.00 | themill | alilou: if you got no error message from the last "modprobe ipw3945", then all is good |
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| 23:04.20 | themill | alilou: do you now see a wireless device in "iwconfig -a" |
| 23:04.29 | themill | gah |
| 23:04.32 | themill | alilou: do you now see a wireless device in "iwconfig" |
| 23:04.48 | alilou | themill: I did not get anything from this output: depmod - |
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| 23:04.55 | alilou | themill: I did not get anything from this output: depmod -a |
| 23:05.09 | alilou | themill: is it the same |
| 23:05.29 | themill | alilou: the same error from modprobe? :( |
| 23:05.57 | alilou | themill: unfortunately yes |
| 23:06.11 | themill | bugger. |
| 23:06.39 | themill | alilou: I'm wondering if it's worthwhile you reinstalling your kernel package at this stage, but I'm grasping at straws now. |
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| 23:06.59 | Mikesss1 | themill, What release? |
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| 23:09.37 | ampex2 | is there anyone else out there who agrees with me when I say that win2k/xp's GUI is just more responsive than anything linux has to offer? |
| 23:09.57 | themill | ampex2: most definitely not |
| 23:10.58 | ampex2 | even XFCE on equivalent hardware isn't as responsive imo as windows xp |
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| 23:11.23 | ampex2 | there may be better memory management and security as well as a host of other benefits that linux has to offer, but just the smoothness of scrolling and responsiveness of the interface isn't quite up to par |
| 23:11.36 | ampex2 | again, my opinion |
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| 23:11.59 | Bushmills | ampex2: my gf thought that first too, until we found the reason that default mouse speed seems higher in windows. fixed it by speeding up mouse under X |
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| 23:12.14 | themill | ampex2: maybe kde isn't as bad as people make out then... because I find it fast and snappy while windoze is slow and horrid. (I have had programs working under wine better than under windoze) |
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| 23:12.39 | awayatadss | hi all... please, is there some official "hardened debian" project? |
| 23:13.46 | format_c | ampex2: cant agree |
| 23:14.06 | format_c | using windows ins daily business, unfortunately |
| 23:14.31 | themill | dpkg: tell awayatadss about securing debian |
| 23:16.47 | format_c | reluctantly is the more describing word |
| 23:17.29 | Mikesss1 | anyone have a link to a lenny kde iso? |
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| 23:18.15 | enouf | use etch |
| 23:18.24 | enouf | and upgrade |
| 23:18.45 | Mikesss1 | enouf, then change sources and dist upgrade ? |
| 23:18.51 | enouf | yep |
| 23:19.14 | Mikesss1 | Net install is faster |
| 23:19.17 | enouf | Mikesss1: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:19.52 | Mikesss1 | sidux takes 4 min on my core 2 |
| 23:19.54 | vorbote | Mikesss1: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ and grab a weekly, but do read all about the minefiled you will be walking on. |
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| 23:20.04 | Mikesss1 | vorbote, cheers ;) |
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| 23:21.38 | vorbote | In fact I agree with enouf if one wants bleedeing edge with a safety net, Sidux is great. |
| 23:21.57 | ik | Hey all, got lvm on dmcrypt on raid1, ran into bug #398464. I'm in the initramfs' shell at the moment, trying to chroot into my installed filesystem to fix the crypttab. |
| 23:22.21 | ik | I've got the md assembled and the encrypted volume set up, can anyone tell me how to get lvm going so I can mount and chroot? |
| 23:22.23 | awayatadss | debian's installation program can allow me to select which packages I wanna install? |
| 23:22.31 | Mikesss1 | vorbote, Has been super fast stable and easy to configure |
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| 23:23.42 | MacGyverNL | awayatadss> debian's installation program can allow me to select which packages I wanna install? <-- That's kind of the entire point of having a package manager. |
| 23:23.46 | enouf | oh, there are weekly kde and xfce beta2 images, didn't know - but yeah, might get borkage |
| 23:24.04 | vorbote | Sorry! Yes, Mikesss1 you said that. Yup, it is a great stabilization of Sid. |
| 23:24.08 | ik | I don't see any lvm devices, and the only tool I see is vgchange, which afaik isn't all that helpful without a device to operate on.. |
| 23:24.31 | awayatadss | MacGyverNL I looked for it on the installation, but the more I got was to install just a "basic system"... I could not select what package resides in this "basci system" |
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| 23:26.05 | enouf | vorbote: next time, say "In fact I agree with enouf - but if ... your opinion ..." please, so as to not make it appear i even mentioned what you did |
| 23:26.29 | enouf | or don't refer to me at all .. thanks |
| 23:26.45 | Mikesss1 | vorbote, still very impressed with Lenny,nvidia,usplash etc |
| 23:26.47 | vorbote | ik try "vgchange -ay <vgname>" It should find the vg by name. |
| 23:26.58 | Mikesss1 | goes and looks great |
| 23:27.17 | vorbote | enouf, I aim to please so into the ignore list you go |
| 23:27.36 | enouf | Graciasm dumbass |
| 23:27.39 | ik | vorbote: that did it, thanks |
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| 23:31.06 | awayatadss | how do I start a dselect installation? does the installation program have this option? |
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| 23:32.18 | Bushmills | awayatadss: you'd use dselect only after installation of base system, to extend. |
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| 23:32.30 | awayatadss | ty |
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| 23:32.46 | infinity0 | why is there not a debian package of freenet available? |
| 23:32.49 | awayatadss | Bushmills the minimum installation I could get is the "basic system"? |
| 23:33.06 | vorbote | awayatadss: dselect is somewhat archaic, try using apt-get or aptitude instead, you won't be sorry. |
| 23:33.07 | Bushmills | awayatadss: yes |
| 23:33.33 | vorbote | awayatadss: have you tried tasksel to install predefined sw sets? |
| 23:33.53 | awayatadss | tasksel... hmmm I dont know how I use it |
| 23:34.00 | awayatadss | is there something in the installation program? |
| 23:34.12 | Bushmills | awayatadss: actually, you should be able to strip some stuff if you really needed to. thus, base system is not fully minimal |
| 23:34.29 | awayatadss | ty =) |
| 23:35.11 | Bushmills | awayatadss: tasksel you'd use to preselect packages, rather than picking them yourself. |
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| 23:35.36 | Bushmills | a very coarse grained way of package selection |
| 23:35.40 | vorbote | awayatadss: just type "tasksel help" and check the tasks data file for an idea of what it can do for you (I don't remember its location right now, type "dpkg -L tasksel-data for a listing). |
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| 23:35.49 | \3TATUK | !sky2 |
| 23:35.52 | \3TATUK | !debian |
| 23:35.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:35.58 | \3TATUK | !sk98lin |
| 23:36.07 | awayatadss | thank you very much vorbote Bushmills |
| 23:36.07 | awayatadss | =) |
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| 23:37.03 | infinity0 | !freenet |
| 23:37.03 | dpkg | freenet is, like, a completely decentralized, totally secure peer-to-peer network with anonymity. client written in java. days of free speech are here! see http://www.freenetproject.org |
| 23:37.14 | infinity0 | !freenet debian |
| 23:37.25 | Bushmills | vorbote? |
| 23:37.37 | vorbote | Yes, Bushmills |
| 23:37.54 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know of a package for sk98lin? |
| 23:38.22 | Bushmills | ah. right :) |
| 23:39.09 | Bushmills | i didn't grasp that that was your nick .. thought it was a typo |
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| 23:40.55 | vorbote | Nope, that's my nick. Wanted to use archangel but that was already taken :-) |
| 23:41.58 | karma_` | Is notifier system in Linux kernel synchronous or not? So is it possible that two notifiers will be running at the same time on uni-CPU machine? |
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| 23:43.20 | vorbote | karma_`: while you can run several notifiers at the same time in a single core machine, they won't be synchronous simply because they are at the mercy of the task scheduler and you are not running a real time kernel... |
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| 23:44.41 | karma_` | vorbote: sure, i just don't know if it it's goint to be race condition on shared resources between two notifiers |
| 23:45.06 | karma_` | vorbote: i just down't know if they got running sequentally or not |
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| 23:46.24 | paul0 | hi there |
| 23:46.32 | paul0 | is anyone already using ext4 on debian? |
| 23:46.41 | kanzure | wasn't aware of ext4. |
| 23:47.22 | paul0 | kanzure, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 23:47.24 | paul0 | :) |
| 23:47.24 | themill | paul0: there are probably a few people, but given its immature state, not many... |
| 23:47.34 | vorbote | karma_`: As far as I know, there are no reported problems on your particular scenario (but don't quote me on that). Why don't you try and see? |
| 23:47.57 | paul0 | themill, someone got problems using it? |
| 23:48.09 | vorbote | paul0: you'll have to go to the dark side to try ext4 properly. |
| 23:48.26 | vorbote | Where dark side===Fedora |
| 23:48.43 | paul0 | haha |
| 23:48.45 | paul0 | no way :P |
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| 23:49.00 | themill | paul0: presumably, given that it is still under active development and afaik the developers don't recommend its use |
| 23:49.13 | paul0 | hm |
| 23:49.22 | paul0 | fsck is so boring |
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| 23:49.32 | Bushmills | paul0: don't mount an existing ext2/3 partition as ext4 and write to it. |
| 23:49.58 | paul0 | i like xfs, but so few OSes can read/write |
| 23:49.58 | kanzure | Are there any tagging file systems yet? |
| 23:50.10 | Bushmills | paul0: create a new partition, or keep a backup, in case you want to revert to ext2/3 |
| 23:50.15 | paul0 | kanzure, fs with metadata? |
| 23:50.34 | kanzure | paul0: Yep. |
| 23:50.59 | paul0 | kanzure, there's some for linux, but almos none application make use of it |
| 23:51.12 | vorbote | kanzure: I think the closest is btrfs |
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| 23:51.20 | paul0 | BeOS has a nice filesystem with metadata, and the OS has applications for it |
| 23:51.54 | \3TATUK | How can you choose to compile/install just one module instead of them all (make modules && make modules_install)? |
| 23:51.59 | paul0 | vorbote, i'm not sure, but XFS, and JFS has metadata support |
| 23:52.09 | kanzure | vorbote: Thanks, I'll look into it. |
| 23:52.27 | kanzure | I haven't actually an immediate need for it, but it'd be nice. |
| 23:52.38 | kanzure | I don't know why databases are implemented on top of these file systems. |
| 23:52.41 | vorbote | paul0: and JFS is great. It is a shame that people do not use it more. |
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| 23:53.27 | Bushmills | uses jfs |
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| 23:54.02 | Bushmills | removing files is a bit slow, though |
| 23:54.07 | paul0 | vorbote, yes, it's a awsome filesystem, both XFS and JFS |
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| 23:54.42 | paul0 | Bushmills, removing lots of small files is a bit slow in XFS |
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| 23:55.19 | Bushmills | sequential reads in xfs seem much slower than ext2/3 or jfs |
| 23:55.40 | enouf | \3TATUK: module-assistant perhaps |
| 23:55.54 | vorbote | kanzure: it depends on the database, mysql being the piece of art it is, needs a journaling fs if you want some slight degree of safety. Postgres, Firebird and Ingres can use the help too. Oracle, don't get me started. Its backend file management is so antediluvian that the recommended raw partition thing is the way to go. |
| 23:56.07 | xsdg | Bushmills: for what size files? |
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| 23:56.28 | xsdg | Bushmills: XFS is better than anything for large files, according to several benchmarks |
| 23:56.50 | kanzure | vorbote: Ah, so Oracle has a raw partition option? |
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| 23:57.08 | Bushmills | xsdg: different sizes. hang on, i'll look up some fs benchmarks - xfs seems great for *writing* files, but less so for reading them. |
| 23:57.15 | kanzure | I don't understand large files. Just splice them together and splice them apart. |
| 23:57.26 | nevyn | xsdg: as long as the app isn't stupid. |
| 23:57.52 | xsdg | kanzure: err... what? |
| 23:58.09 | nevyn | xsdg: unlike say.. mythtv. which has fsync's littered through it's code to workaround the fact that ext3 can't flush automatically sensibly |
| 23:58.20 | xsdg | nevyn: :o) |
| 23:58.39 | vorbote | kanzure: why yes! Oracle is so Cambric that it developed its own way to use raw partitions. Because UNIX(tm)'s UFS in the early 80's just plainly sucked. |
| 23:58.39 | nevyn | xsdg: so you end up with files with thousands of extents. |
| 23:58.44 | kanzure | xsdg: Let's say you're downloading a 4 GB file on to a file system that does only 2 GB files at most. Split it into 1 GB units. Problem solved. |
| 23:59.03 | xsdg | kanzure: that's not what I meant |
| 23:59.04 | nevyn | kanzure: that's obcene |
| 23:59.05 | kanzure | vorbote: That's peculiar. Did UFS really actualyl suck? |
| 23:59.10 | kanzure | nevyn: Is it? Is that bad practice? |
| 23:59.18 | kanzure | I always assumed that's the solution to the Big File problem. |
| 23:59.21 | nevyn | kanzure: yeah UFS did really suck |
| 23:59.58 | xsdg | kanzure: what I meant is that, if you have a filesystem with lots of large files, XFS will likely outperform competitors |
