IRC log for #debian on 20080625

00:00.05xsdgkanzure: it's not anything about support
00:00.22kanzureYeah, sure.
00:00.23Bushmillscomparison of many file systems:  http://www.csamuel.org/articles/emerging-filesystems-200709/
00:00.33kanzureBushmills: Thanks.
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00:01.46vorbotekanzure: Absolutely, even BSD 4.2 sucked lemons. Ultrix was a godsend and it sucked. It began to be nicers with OFS/ROSE but it still sucked. When Linus T plagiriezed UFS in ext it sucked. When Linuz let himself to be convinced that we needed ext2. it started to be non-sucky.
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00:02.15kanzureYikes.
00:02.31kanzureHow much of a gap is there in terms of development years between ext2 and ext3 ?
00:02.43kanzureis wondering how much has went into ext3 in comparison to that simplified timeline
00:02.50vorbotekanzure: like 7-8 years
00:02.55kanzurefeels better.
00:03.08vorboteWhen it comes to deployment.
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00:07.40morghanphoenixAnyone have advice for burning the dvd install iso as a bootable disc, my old laptop isn't recognizing the disc I just burned with k3b, some setting I'm missing here?
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00:08.58vorbotemorghanphoenix: probably you burned it to fast? In my experience very complex ISO filesystems burn well at most 4x.
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00:09.34morghanphoenixyeah, it just burned at 40x, as long as it took I'll have to go take a nap at 4x :)
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00:10.36vorbotemorghanphoenix: Nah, a jar of cofee or a bottle or rum, har har!
00:11.13morghanphoenixDon't tempt me, swore off booze while the wife was pregnant and until she stops breast feeding.
00:11.35morghanphoenixSeems like the right thing to do if she can't drink
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00:12.32morghanphoenixdo the other DVDs need to be burned that slow, or just the boot one?
00:13.09vorboteIn my experience all of them, better safe than sorry.
00:13.31SpookyEThi. How do you translate $cmd &> $log_file from bash to dash. In dash it goes into background and the redirect is ignored.
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00:13.50\amethystSpookyET:  $cmd > $log_file 2>&1
00:13.54morghanphoenixheh, It'd be nice if this little bugger had internet access, just do a net install. Not even a compatible modem in it.
00:13.58hardondoes anyone no a site that I can learn some easy scripts? for debian
00:14.03\amethystSpookyET:  though you probably want "$log_file" with the quotes
00:15.01SpookyET\amethyst: i'll try that
00:15.08vorbotemorghanphoenix: you on a dirty eepc?
00:15.09prahal/usr/bin/mktexfmt always has been my reference
00:15.28morghanphoenixI'm getting a wifi card next week, not sure if I should go with the 2.4 kernel that works very well, or the 2.6.whatever that has the rt2500 drivers in it.
00:15.39morghanphoenixI'm working on a decade old toughbook
00:15.46hardoneee
00:16.00vorboteThose are too nice to to junk
00:16.12morghanphoenixNeeded a moblie, and I tend to break anything I cary, so when I saw it on ebay for cheap I bid on it.
00:16.35Nylemy / is 10GB, and my /home is 240GB.  /tmp is inside / and I have only 1gb  left on /, so /tmp gets full very quickly and then shit starts to happen
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00:16.51morghanphoenix300MHz is fine since I'm just doing office stuff and maybe running zsnes on it.
00:16.56Nylewhat can I do to prevent this from happening?
00:17.07prahalNyle, use bind mount to move tmp and var out of /
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00:18.07morghanphoenixstill at a toss up as to which distro I should use, only really a toss up between two though.
00:18.12NyleI have a /dev/sdb3 10GB that I want.  I put it in fstab as ext3 defaults,rw but kde won't letme in, so I had to take out the fstab entry and remount /tmp as /tmp
00:18.19vorbotemorghanphoenix: I'll try the 1.6 first. it has some really nice things. And you can always bitch at bugzlla.kernel.org. The deserve the flack.
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00:18.28Nylehow can I mount /dev/sdb3 to /tmp without having to like reboot or some such
00:18.31NyleI can't figure it out
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00:18.51Nylemount --bind /dev/sdb3 /tmp
00:18.51Nyle?
00:19.03morghanphoenixEven on something that old, thought there might be problems with a new kernel.
00:19.20morghanphoenixHeard they dropped some legacy support recently.
00:19.27extorIs today any kind of a holiday or off day? Web traffic down by 40% possibly cuz I messed up somehow
00:20.03prahalhum there are socket and such inside
00:20.15Nyleyeh
00:20.30Nyledo i need to symlink the sockets to a new bind mount or something
00:20.40Nylehow would bind mount solve my problem
00:20.46Nyle<PROTECTED>
00:20.55prahalcp -a /tmp /<your_dev_sdb3_mount point>/tmp/  beforehand?
00:21.09Nylehm
00:21.14BushmillsNyle: as the man page says, --bind binds a directory not another location
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00:21.34Bushmills(at least i suppose the man page says so)
00:21.39prahalbind mount solve the space problem . About moving tmp content live ... I cannot tell
00:21.42Nyleyou mount multiple mount points to a single mount point
00:21.43Nyleor something
00:21.46Nyle?
00:21.49Bushmillss/not/to/
00:22.09Nylewell I don't want to blindly fix the problem
00:22.20NyleI'd like to know how/why etc. etc.
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00:22.36prahalyou can go back if problems arise (just unmount the "bind mount")
00:22.37morghanphoenixLaters all, time to go fiddle
00:22.49Nyleok
00:22.55vorbotemorghanphoenix: afaik, it is a matter of some fosil IDE controllers, so you may come out unscathed.
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00:23.46Nyleso if i mount --bind /tmp /dev/sdb3
00:23.53Nylewhat exactly will happen to /tmp?
00:24.13BushmillsNyle: *directories*, not devices
00:24.17Nyleif it grows more than 1gb (thats remaining) it will overflow to the bind mountpoint that is /dev/sdb3
00:24.20NyleBushmills, ohh
00:24.23prahalthough some applications may nto like it
00:24.36Nylebut do I understand this correctly?
00:24.52Nyleif it grows more than 1gb (thats remaining) it will overflow to the bind mountpoint that is /dev/sdb3/tmp ?
00:24.59Bushmillsi don't know because i have no idea what you understand
00:25.35Bushmillsno. it just mounts a directory instead of a device or partition
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00:25.57Nyleif /tmp (on / which as 1gb left) overflows to bind mountpoint that is /dev/sdb3/tmp if I mount --bind it there?
00:26.07Bushmillswhere did the man page mention anything about overflowing?
00:26.10SpookyET\amethyst: &> is a bashism?
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00:26.25Nyleso thats what I'm asking
00:26.25\amethystSpookyET:  not just bash, but yes
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00:26.47Bushmillsi think that was what i was asking
00:26.50\amethystSpookyET:  bash got it from csh; it's not in Bourne, Posix, or even ksh
00:26.50Nyleno
00:26.57Nylethats what I've been asking this whole time
00:27.06codemechhey all, I'm having some serious trouble which I think is comming from lm_sensors
00:27.12Nyleand all I'm asking is this
00:27.22SpookyET\amethyst: dash is the posix nazi
00:27.35SpookyET\amethyst: though bash is default on almost anything now
00:27.42codemechI have messages being writtent to the terminal that is saying the CPU is overheating but it is giving me so many errors I can even work on the machine
00:27.42Nyleif i mount bind /dev/sdb3/tmp/ to /tmp, what happens exactly? /tmp only has 1gb, while /deb/sdb3/tmp/ has 10gb
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00:27.47Nylethats what I'm asking
00:27.49codemechit is flooding the screen!
00:27.51Nyleso it becomes 11 gb?
00:27.57BushmillsNyle: man mount | grep "\-\-bind"
00:28.08NyleBushmills, I'VE READ !
00:28.16NyleI am asking becuase I don't fucking get it...
00:28.17Nyle:(
00:28.26Bushmills"Remount  a  subtree  somewhere  else ..."
00:28.33Nylewhat is a subtree?
00:28.41Bushmillsa directory with subdirectories
00:28.44Nyleok
00:28.59Bushmillsit is like a symlink without the indirection
00:30.10Nyleso if i mount --bind /deb/sdb3/tmp to /tmp (WHAT HAPPENS TO original /tmp?)  Does it becomes a total of both mounts combined? for example, if /tmp is originally 1gb, and i add a 10gb /deb/sdb3/tmp does it become 11gb? or does it remain 10gb and start writing to /dev/sdb3/tmp thinking it was /tmp?)
00:30.36Bushmillsi give up, instead of saying for the third time "directories, not devices"
00:30.43\amethystNyle:  it hides the original
00:30.49Nyle\amethyst, THANK YOU!
00:30.52Nylefuck!
00:31.39Nyleso easy solution then anytime I run out of /tmp, I can just mount bind say ~/.tmp to /tmp also and give it more space
00:31.42Nylecool
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00:32.08\amethystNyle:  as long as no one expects to be able to open the files that used to be there
00:32.22Nylewhat do you mean?
00:32.34Nyle(I was told to mount --bind to fix my /tmp fulling up problem)
00:32.41Nyledo you have a better solution?
00:33.07LagboltNyle, your tmp is separate partition? you could always use lvm
00:33.08NyleI have a 10gb /dev/sdb3 I'd like to dedicate to /tmp (I put it in fstab as /dev/sdb3 /tmp ext3 defautls,rw 0 0
00:33.33NyleLagbolt, no it isn't, but I'd like to put /tmp on a seperate disk that is bigger, live.
00:33.55\amethystNyle:  the problem is if something needs access to one of the files that is in /tmp (since they will be hidden).  It's probably best to at least log out and log back in after mounting over /tmp
00:34.10Nyle\amethyst, ok, that makes sense
00:34.27Nyle\amethyst, how about simply dedicating /tmp to a certain disk in fstab?
00:34.28LagboltNyle, ah you want to do it on the fly
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00:34.32\amethystNyle:  ssh-agent, for example, creates temp files that it expects to stay around for the duration of the session
00:35.02Nyle\amethyst, I tried it, with the above fstab entry, however I was unable to write to tmp I guess, as kdm would not let me login
00:35.08\amethystNyle:  ah
00:35.13\amethystNyle:  you have to make sure it's mode 1777
00:35.17Nyleohhh
00:35.25Nyleok
00:35.26\amethystNyle:  this applies to the root of the newly-mounted filesystem
00:35.29Nylethats what that was then
00:35.42\amethystNyle:  it uses those permissions, not the original permissions of the /tmp you mounted over
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00:37.05\amethystNyle:  err, chmod, not chroot
00:37.18Nylehe kept thinking about the /dev/sdb3 that I put in so he thought I was an idiot, not udnerstanding the diff between directory and/or device
00:37.24\amethystNyle:  I mean, before you reboot, mount it and chmod 1777 the mount point
00:37.24Nylebut thanks for understnading me and answering my question
00:37.33Nyleabout bind hiding the old stuff
00:37.53\amethystNyle:  there is something called unionfs, BTW, that lets you layer filesystems
00:37.59Nyle\amethyst, so without mode 1777 its not going to work regardless of its live or rebooted?
00:38.08\amethystNyle:  correct
00:38.10Nyleahh
00:38.17Nyle\amethyst, you shoulld be a teacher ;)
00:38.29\amethystNyle:  I'm working on it :)
00:38.32Nyleoh really?
00:38.37Nylewow :)
00:38.43\amethystNyle:  all but dissertation :)
00:38.46Nylewants to be a music prof.
00:39.00Nyletheory and composition
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00:39.18Nyleok so I should add a mode 1777 then
00:39.24\amethystDon't need a PhD for that do you?
00:39.28BushmillsNyle: you kept asking about the effect of  mount --bind /dev/sdb3 ....   while i tried to tell you several times that that simply won't work
00:39.28Nyle\amethyst, what about specifying it on the line?
00:39.29\amethystMFA's terminal isn't it
00:39.54NyleBushmills, whatever
00:39.58Bushmillsnyle, the error message will be "mount: Not a directory"
00:40.02\amethystNyle:  except on things like ntfs or fat that don't support Unix permissions, you can't change the permissions in the fstab can you?
00:40.10Bushmillsbecause /dev/sdb3 is not a directory ...
00:40.11NyleBushmills, yes I am aware of that.  Thank you
00:40.12SyLI'm getting  kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5)."
00:40.22SyLwhen trying to use nfs. any ideas?
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00:40.33NyleBushmills, once again, you are still hung up on soemthing you think I never knew...
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00:40.41Nylemy entire point was to say, ITS ANOTHER FUCKING DISK!
00:40.52Nylenot that I was going to mount a fucking device as bind...
00:40.56Nyle:/
00:41.04Nylebut nevermind, you're right
00:41.05Nyleyou win.
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00:41.53Nyle\amethyst, no I don't think so
00:42.03codemechnever mind - the server has burst into flames :'-(
00:42.16Nyle\amethyst, ok I see
00:42.39Nyle\amethyst, so just chmod the thing to 1777?
00:43.00\amethystNyle:  yes, but not recursively
00:43.02Nylebtw, how big should /tmp be on a desktop system
00:43.04\amethystNyle:  while it's mounted
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00:43.19Nyle\amethyst, of course, that wil fuck up the files, we need only to chmod the mountoint corerct?
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00:43.46\amethystNyle: right
00:43.53Nylefantastic
00:44.08Nylenow I fully understand whats going on, and can now proceed with my solution
00:44.11dondelelcaroNyle: depends on what you're doing; I personally have a small /tmp, and use TMPDIR on a large partition.
00:44.15NyleBushmills, \amethyst thank you
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00:44.39Nyledondelelcaro, I see, so env overrides the /tmp?
00:44.44Nylehuh i did not know that
00:44.45dondelelcaroNyle: yes.
00:45.00Nyledondelelcaro, and all apps use the env var?
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00:45.17dondelelcaroNyle: you almost never want to use the system-wide temp directory if you can avoid it, as you'll be constantly battling unsafe tempfile creation security bugs
00:45.18Nyleall apps pacakged in debian i mean
00:45.26dondelelcaroNyle: almost all should, yes.
00:45.39Nyledondelelcaro, quite right, which is why I have also mounted it as nosuid noexec
00:45.41dondelelcaro(there probably are some exceptions, but they're bugs, and should be fixed)
00:45.45Nylebut you have a point
00:45.50dondelelcaroNyle: uh... that doesn't protect you at all
00:45.55Nyleit doesnt?
00:45.56Nyle!
00:45.58dondelelcaroNyle: no
00:46.02Nylehow come?
00:46.20NyleI mean people can't run scripts of tmp files in /tmp right? or other programs
00:46.30Nyleso its some formof security no?
00:46.45dondelelcaroNyle: most unsafe tempfile creation exploits have nothing to do with /tmp itself, but that other users who are not you can cause you to create or obliterate files that you own simply by making symlinks in /tmp
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00:47.01Nyleahhhh
00:47.18NyleI did not know that one could do that
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00:47.33Nyledondelelcaro, what about a single user system?
00:47.37torroellahello, X didn't start why could be?
00:47.37Nylelonely desktop
00:47.38dondelelcaroand noexec doesn't stop them from running scripts or anything in /tmp anyway, as they just /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/foo
00:47.50Nyledondelelcaro, ahhh! no way
00:47.53torroellaI needed to write my login user and pass using console mode :| !
00:47.56Nyle:(
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00:48.25Nyletorroella, you can reboot into single user mode from grub
00:48.41torroellaNyle:  how?
00:48.42Nyletorroella, and when you get in as root, just remove the dm you have.  just /msg dpkg nodm
00:48.50dondelelcaroNyle: no reason not to
00:49.01torroelladm? what's dm?
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00:49.10dondelelcarodisplay manager
00:49.14Nyledondelelcaro, in reference to what?
00:49.25dondelelcaroNyle: use TMPDIR instead of /tmp
00:49.29Nyleahh yea
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00:49.32Nylethats a fantastic idea
00:49.43husimonHey I'm having trouble getting an intel quad nic to work in debian
00:49.44dondelelcarojust has it set in his .bashrc
00:49.48husimonany idea what kernel module I need?
00:49.52Nylebut I don't think you anwered my question regarding dondelelcaro
00:49.53husimone1000 doesn't do it
00:49.56Nyledondelelcaro, I mean
00:50.05dondelelcaroNyle: what question?
00:50.07Nyledondelelcaro, do all apps packaged in debian work with that tmpdir variable
00:50.11Nylelike all of them use it?
00:50.15dondelelcaroNyle: they better; if they don't, it's a bug.
00:50.18Nyleahh
00:50.19Nylegood
00:50.38husimonanyone?
00:50.48dondelelcaroI haven't run across any that don't, but there may be a few stupid programs which don't use the correct tempdir creation calls
00:50.53Nylehusimon, yes i can tell of website that does
00:50.57Nyle!hcl
00:50.57dpkghcl is probably at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
00:51.03husimonNyle, that helps
00:51.16Nyleyeh paste output of said command to the website on kmuto
00:51.23Nyleit will tell you what module/driver you require
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00:52.34Nyledpkg tmp is are you running out of space on /tmp? just use the TMPDIR env. variable in .bashrc and set it to a much bigger diskspace directory
00:52.35dpkgNyle: okay
00:53.30Nyledondelelcaro, thanks
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00:54.47enoufNyle: you use k3b? go into it's settings and tell it to use some other dir/, on some other HDD where space is plentiful as it's scratch/tmp area
00:55.01Nylenah I don't use k3b often
00:55.19Nyleenouf, it was mostly torrents pissing me off, but still, I do need a bigger than 1gb /tmp
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00:55.31Nyledamn deluge with its stupid /tmp setting
00:55.41enoufdoesn't either, but recalls doing that toot sweet when 1st installed, / on an 8.4GB HDD
00:56.10Nylewhy save a torrent to /tmp first then move it to ~/torrents
00:56.15Nylewtf kinda bullshit is this anyway
00:56.20enoufyeah; dev/hdc1              8364900   6924120   1015864  88% /
00:56.22Nylejust save directly to ~/torrents and call it a day
00:56.24Nyleyou know
00:56.27Nylelike geez.
00:56.31dondelelcaroNyle: uh... you should use rtorrent or similar instead
00:56.41Nyledondelelcaro, why come?
00:56.48dondelelcaroNyle: it doesn't do that insanity.
00:56.51enoufsettings?
00:56.55enoufbingo
00:56.57Nyledondelelcaro, oh I changed the settings
00:57.05Nyleits ok, thanks for the suggestion
00:57.13NyleI like rtorrent and irssi on my public server
00:57.26Nyleso i can monitor my torents and irssi from remote locations
00:57.37Nylebut on my kde desktop I like gui stuff
00:57.40Nyle:)
00:57.46husimonhmm
00:57.52husimonI think I need a debian package for the intel igb driver
00:58.06Nylehusimon, what?
00:58.13enoufigp?
00:58.32husimonsome intel gigabit driver
00:58.42enoufhaha, igb
00:58.48Nyleheh
00:58.49enoufgigE
00:59.00Nyleor gb eth
00:59.00husimoni guess it's not in the kernel yet
00:59.07NyleI like to call it gibeth
00:59.19Nylelike jib eth
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00:59.29oDeskhello
00:59.32Nylehello
01:00.00enoufbtw, are there any general gigE wireless things yet? it's all wired only, right?
01:00.01oDeski've folder with alot of images i need to rename..  just to remove '_thumb'  from it's name
01:00.10Nylewifi N?
01:00.14Nyle802.11N?
01:00.18enoufdunno
01:00.21Nyleisn't supposed to be fast
01:00.25Nyle?
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01:00.50enoufoDesk: you could use rename, or a version of it, or a for loop and mv or tr
01:01.54oDeskenouf: can you help me build this loop line ?
01:02.07enoufrename 's/_thumb$//' *_thumb
01:02.14Nylefor i in *; mv $i(some regex here) (some more regex here);done
01:02.17Nyleor not...
01:02.17enoufmaybe even
01:02.35husimonhmm
01:02.38husimonnot sure that helped
01:02.42husimonstill now devices in ifconfig -a
01:02.55enoufoDesk: well is _thumb only on the end of filenames?
01:03.05Nyleoh yeah
01:03.12Nyleman rename is exactly what you need
01:03.16Nylealso try man sed
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01:03.24enoufoDesk: if not, just remove the $ from the one i showed
01:03.40Nylewhy do they call it a thumbnail?
01:03.49Nyledid people put pictures on thier nails of the thumb?
01:04.00enoufit's the size of a chimp's thumbnail?
01:04.02oDeskenouf: yes it's at end of file name..   for ex. filename_thumb.jpg
01:04.19enoufoDesk: that's not the end ;-)
01:04.25enouf.jpg is the end
01:04.30BushmillsoDesk: st like this:  for A in *_thumb* ; do echo mv $A ${A/_thumb/} ; done
01:04.34Nyleis there a file gui browser that can recognize file types from the file itself rather than having ia db of known extentions?
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01:04.44enoufwell, i see, you separated it into name + extension, ok
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01:05.16enoufrename 's/_thumb//' *_thumb.jpg should ork
01:05.21enoufs/ork/work
01:05.23BushmillsoDesk: tbe echo is that you can verify that the loop does the right thing
01:05.52enoufoDesk: i like Bushmills idea of testing with echo prior
01:06.17oDeskbushblows: enouf: wonderful,.. lets try it
01:06.46enoufwow, one of those rare instances i didn't need to add 's to a nick make it possessive :-P
01:06.49enouf+to
01:07.30enoufoDesk: man rename and see http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/030 for more ;-)
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01:10.17Nyleenouf, your nose is too big
01:10.20Nyle=)
01:10.29enoufNyle: that's not my nose
01:10.34enoufO_o
01:10.43Nyle- is your nose inside ;-)
01:10.48Nyleits too bitg
01:11.10Nyletry ;) no nose is cuter
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01:11.31enoufdude, put down the glue and go back to weed :-P
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01:11.49Nylelol
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01:11.52Nylewtf hehehe
01:12.01enouf;-)
01:12.02RoadrunneHi all, what's the easiest way to do a complete backup of an external IMAP account?
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01:12.20Nyleenouf, can gmail work with say exim4?
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01:12.37Nyleenouf, so that I can use my linux system or say pine or something else to send emails?
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01:12.38enouftoo many ENTERs without many chars Nyle - we triggered the debhelper :-P
01:12.40Nyleor cli
01:12.53enoufer
01:13.06enoufNyle: how about firepoop?
01:13.21enoufgmail + firepoop == ?
01:13.24NyleI want to login to my desktop, and the console needs to tell me how many gmails I have
01:13.29Nylefirepoop?
01:13.31Nylewtf
01:13.31enoufoh
01:13.33husimonfirefox?
01:13.39enoufding ding
01:13.44Nyleaoh
01:13.46Nylegeez
01:13.54Nyleassweasel is obvious
01:13.58NyleI don't use firepoop
01:14.17Nyle!gmail
01:14.18dpkggmail is a web mail service from Google that still does not support konqueror ...
01:14.18enoufahh .. nice - wouldn't have thought of prefixing for that - great ;-)
01:14.32husimonwell not i'm confused
01:14.35husimonwhat is assweasel
01:14.36husimonheh
01:14.39Nyle!iceweasel
01:14.39dpkgfrom memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
01:14.41husimonice weasel
01:14.53husimonwhy iceweasel
01:15.01Nylehusimon, do what yo udid with a !
01:15.03enoufNyle: log into Desktop --ok, but console? or konsole
01:15.05Nyle!why iceweasel
01:15.05dpkgDue to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.
01:15.06husimon!why iceweasel
01:15.15enoufone is an xterm, one isn't
01:15.16peterrooneyhusimon: try /msg dpkg why iceweasel
01:15.18husimonhow silly
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01:16.09Nylehusimon, yeh, its silly on both accounts.  Here on the one hand debian has a logo which is not free, and it wants firefox logo to be free...
01:16.39Nyleand on the other hand, mozilla needs to protect the firefox name/logo just like debian needs to protect its
01:16.42husimonwhatever, as long as you get the code updates
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01:16.54Nylewhy we still can't use firefox artwork, is still beyond me
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01:17.00enoufNyle: maybe you can adapt something from this; http://xantus.vox.com/library/post/howto-use-gmail-for-mailto-links-linuxubuntu.html
01:17.13Nylebut whatever, thats probably why I'm not incharge of any of those things
01:17.20enoufNyle: after all, it's a perl script
01:17.22Nyleyou gotta use tact and stuff that I don't have
01:17.27Nyleenouf, thanks lookiong now
01:17.34\amethystNyle:  does debian really use its non-free logo?
01:17.45Nyleuhh yeah
01:18.04Nylebut what do yu mean by 'debian'?
01:18.11Nylethe community? or what?
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01:18.42Nylewho is debian?
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01:19.55enoufNyle: though, coming from the other end (exim4) i bet you can have it triggered to go out and fetch mail according to your desires .. or in combination with whatever uses gmail protocol (pop3??)
01:20.02fungoshi, is there any app to access telnet BBSs? I used minicom sometime ago with some  telnet > tty mapping.. but I cant remember how
01:20.07Nyleenouf, imap
01:20.17\amethystNyle:  well, the trademarks are held by SPI, but SPI isn't Debian; it's more of an unofficial trust
01:20.25enoufNyle: remember, exim4 is a mta, not a mua -- ok
01:20.32Nyleyeh
01:20.34enoufimap is better, imho
01:20.40Nyleyes
01:20.44Nyleyour opinion is very humble
01:20.47Nyleboy!
01:20.53enoufand i don't know shit about email, and i despise it
01:20.57Nylewht?
01:21.01Nyledude
01:21.04enouf:-P
01:21.04Nyleare you amish?
01:21.09enoufsurprise
01:21.11Nyleseriously, you don't do email?
01:21.13\amethystNyle:  The non-free logo is the one with the genie bottle:   http://www.debian.org/logos/
01:21.16Nylewtf is the wrong with you?
01:21.25enoufhere, take your glue back
01:21.29Nylehaha
01:21.33enouf:-P
01:21.33Nylecrackhead
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01:21.53Nyle\amethyst, I think I sortof understand
01:21.54enoufNyle: some webmail only .. rare
01:22.06enouftoo much hassle - too much spam, etc
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01:22.22enoufNyle: that's what cell phones are for :-)
01:22.28Nyle\amethyst, so the only time anyone can ever uyse the official debina logo is if debian itself endorses it or something
01:22.31Nyle?
01:22.49Nyleotherwise use the free logo
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01:23.29husimonI find that having a job requires email....
01:23.38Nyledude
01:23.42Nyletrying to find a job requires email
01:23.44enoufmaybe yours does
01:23.49Nyleunless you wanna just do minimum wage
01:24.01Nyleor some bullshit like that
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01:24.04husimonenouf what do you do?
01:24.08Nylebartend, be a male jigolow
01:24.11enoufi run my own company man - don't fucken tell me
01:24.20husimonhow big of a company?
01:24.24enoufgigolo, yes
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01:24.31Nyleyou run a company?
01:24.33enouffew people only, why?
01:24.36Nyleoh boy!
01:24.47husimonjust curious if was just you
01:24.48peterrooneyIs there a way to have per-user hosts files?
01:24.50Nyleis scared for your company
01:26.48craigevil-eeeenouf is a robot he never sleeps
01:26.48enouf!ot
01:26.48dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
01:27.24Nylepeterrooney, not that I know of maybe man hosts
01:27.24Nyleenouf, hahah don't wanna talk about it eh
01:27.24Nyle:)
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01:27.43enoufNyle: i'm in the OT channels, but no, i'm not talkative now ..
01:27.43Nyleyou are?
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01:28.34\amethystpeterrooney:  though it would be theoretically possible to implement through the nsswitch mechanism, I don't think anyone has actually done it
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01:28.59RoadrunneHi all, what's the easiest way to do a complete backup of an external IMAP account?
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01:29.05NyleRoadrunne, you could use a imap client and download ALL your email to a local inbox?
01:29.08oDeskbushblows: some filenames with spaces which need to be enclosed by quotes ? how to?
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01:29.17Nylehttp://gemal.dk/blog/2004/02/19/backup_your_imap_mail/
01:29.41morghanphoenixwhich cds do you need for an installation, looks like the dvds aren't going to boot on that old drive and it has no nic to do a network install.
01:30.12bushblowsoDesk: if its a variable "$var"?
01:30.12oDeskBushmills: for A in *_thumb* ; do echo mv $A ${A/_thumb/} ; done    <- please enclose the file name with qoutes
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01:30.22morghanphoenixand I'm not finding torrents to download them with, and 21cds is a lot :P
01:30.29bushblowsI figured that was to him, been getting it alot.
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01:30.43oDeskbushblows: =) sorry
01:30.50GhostlyDeath|LptWhich package provides man pages for C functions like fprintf, fopen, printf, itoa, etc.?
01:30.57BushmillsoDesk: yes, need of names contain spaces or such
01:31.02NyleRoadrunne, http://kb.wisc.edu/wiscmail/page.php?id=4037
01:31.04Bushmillsneeded if ,,
01:31.09RoadrunneNyle: that would mark all Msgs as read and there is no way to schedule a backup. I would prefer a script or program like mysqldumo
01:31.22bushblowsoDesk: nah its cool. ;)
01:31.36SlingGhostlyDeath|Lpt : apt-get install c-cpp-reference
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01:32.07oDeskBushmills:  thanks
01:32.17oDeskbushblows: thank you too =)
01:33.15bushblowsoDesk: welcome
01:34.01craigevil-eeeRoadrunne: you can always try mailsync
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01:39.25GhostlyDeath|LptSling: Thanks
01:39.33Slingnp
01:39.35twobitspriteman, iceweasel has been really flakey recently
01:39.45twobitspriteand I'm not even using 3.0
01:39.52BladesmanCan anyone recommend a good web spider to consolidate info searched/found on multiple search engines?
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01:40.15\3TATUKtwobitsprite: I hate how it freeze when leaving a page with flash. :|
01:40.29twobitsprite\3TATUK: mine just crashes and segfaults
01:40.34twobitspriteBladesman: you mean like clusty?
01:40.38\3TATUKnever had that heh
01:41.47\3TATUKIs there a 3.0 iceweasel?
01:41.47\3TATUKI somehow doubt it..
01:41.47\3TATUKMaybe 3.0 IceCat, yeah..
01:41.47twobitsprite\3TATUK: yes, its in unstable
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01:41.48AwesomeGuywhat's a good pdf viewer for debian
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01:41.58AwesomeGuywhat's a good pdf viewer for debian?
01:41.58Bladesmantwobitsprite: Dunno.  Just looking for something to search multiple search engines and filter it all down to what I'm looking for.
01:41.58twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: you just asked that not a minute ago
01:41.58gravityAwesomeGuy: evince is pretty good
01:42.02twobitspritesounds like clusty.c.om
01:42.05AwesomeGuythere was a flood of people coming in so I didn't think anyone saw it
01:42.06twobitspriteer, .com
01:42.17AwesomeGuyI'll try evince
01:42.24twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: ohh... my irc client condenced all that to one line :)
01:42.50craigevil-eeethats why you hide join/leave messages
01:42.59AwesomeGuycan I make it so I don't have to enter my password when I open a root terminal
01:43.33twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: why would you want that?
01:43.35SeveredCrosstwobitsprite: irssi FTW.
01:43.39gravityThat sounds like a horrible idea
01:43.42twobitspriteSeveredCross: indeed
01:43.47gravityAwesomeGuy: Just use sudo instead
01:43.57AwesomeGuyit's a waste of my time to enter my password constantly
01:44.08SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: And it's bad security not to.
01:44.09SeveredCrossUse sudo.
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01:44.21AwesomeGuynobody uses my desktop except for me..
01:44.30AwesomeGuyor connectes to it
01:44.34AwesomeGuy*connects
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01:44.42BushmillsAwesomeGuy: check /etc/pam.d/su
01:44.43twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: I'm sure plenty of people are trying to connect to your box right now
01:44.48stewget rid of all the security and perhaps that will change :)
01:45.37AwesomeGuyI opened a program from a terminal, how do I keep using the terminal without closing the program
01:45.52twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: open it with & at the end
01:45.58AwesomeGuyok
01:46.02SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: Or use GNU screen.
01:46.08twobitspritebut when you close the terminal it'll close the program
01:46.12twobitspritethat too
01:46.23AwesomeGuycool thanks
01:46.30AwesomeGuyI'm gonna try learning C again
01:46.40twobitspritedon't... learn a real language
01:46.45SeveredCrossC++! :>
01:46.46gravitytwobitsprite: C isn't a real language?
01:46.54bokey!c
01:46.54dpkgSee, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you.
01:47.01twobitspritegravity: nope... it's a myth made up by the man to keep you down
01:47.06gravity...
01:47.14stewtwobitsprite: no, that's c++
01:47.20gravitygoes back to looking at the bug list for a large C program you're all using right now
01:47.23SeveredCrossSome of the programmming practices in C annoy the crap out of me.
01:47.24AwesomeGuyC is great
01:47.30SeveredCrossC is cool if you do it right.
01:47.31twobitspriteAwesomeGuy: learn Haskell
01:47.34bokeyi likey c
01:47.35twobitspriteyou'll change your mind
01:47.37SeveredCrossBut when you do it wrong, it's so wong.
01:47.38AwesomeGuyNever heard of it.
01:47.39SeveredCross*wrong.
01:47.49AwesomeGuyEveryone uses C, I'm using C
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01:47.52gravityOy, haskell
01:47.57AwesomeGuynot some obscure language I've never heard about
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01:48.02karstengravity: Would that be Program X?
01:48.02bokeypascal
01:48.06SeveredCrossHaskell isn't exactly obscure.
01:48.16SeveredCrossYou want obscure, go learn Befunge.
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01:48.18AwesomeGuyevince is just showing be blank pages
01:48.22gravityAwesomeGuy: Don't learn C if you don't want to do systems stuff, or hack on apps already written in C. It's generally a bad choice for new development.
01:48.25SeveredCrossOr Brainf***.
01:48.26gravitykarsten: It would
01:48.28karstenhands SeveredCross BrainFuck on a silver platter.
01:48.29pipelinebefunge isn't obscure
01:48.32gravityis trying to get back on the horse a bit
01:48.33pipelineif you want obscure, learn bcpl
01:48.34Bushmillsa language which doesn't give the possibility to do horribly wrong doesn't sound very flexible
01:48.41SeveredCrosspipeline: Befunge is obscure enough.
01:48.48AwesomeGuyevince is just showing be blank pages..
01:48.53pipelinewell, befunge is a joke, it's not really a language.
01:48.55SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: It might still be loading your PDF.
01:49.12AwesomeGuyoh
01:49.17AwesomeGuyweird it's on now
01:49.30bokeyall PL suck except C sucks less
01:49.44AwesomeGuywhy is it loading so terribly slow
01:50.07AwesomeGuysumadra or whatever for windows doesn't do this, and that's windows
01:50.25SeveredCrossOther obscure languages: P prime prime, FALSE.
01:50.31Bladesmanclusty.com is close, but still displays too much information.
01:50.49SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: Evince occassionally has issues with PDF, but not to the extent you're getting.
01:50.56SeveredCrossbokey: Also, I beg to differ, C++ sucks less than C.
01:51.09SeveredCrossHalf the people who write C learned it 20 years ago and continue to write code like it's 1990.
01:51.14SeveredCrossAnd try to save bits everywhere.
01:51.21AwesomeGuyOk this is a debian help channel not a program language debate board.
01:51.27AwesomeGuyisn't that offtopic?
01:52.02gravitySeveredCross: So which C++ are you talking about? C with classes? Advanced STL stuff? Or template metaprogramming C++?
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01:52.17SeveredCrossgravity: I'm talking C with classes along with some STL mixed in, and making good use of available libraries (Boost, etc.), but this is all offtopic anyway.
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01:52.33BushmillsAwesomeGuy: first comment on PL was:   (02:46:30) AwesomeGuy: I'm gonna try learning C again
01:52.34Bushmillsnow you point out OT?
01:52.40AwesomeGuythat's why I needed pdf
01:52.50gravitySeveredCross: Everyone's C++ is different
01:52.52AwesomeGuyI have a C book in pdf
01:52.54BladesmanI'm more looking for the software that will do what clusty.com does and skip all the misc info these search engines toss in.
01:53.12SeveredCrossgravity: Touche.
01:54.04husimonAwesomeGuy, so install pd
01:54.04husimonf
01:54.09craigevil-eeeBladesman: surfraw
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01:54.22AwesomeGuyI was fine learning perl before, it was great, easy and effective, but everyone said perl was horrible and now I'm learning C, wich is too hard so far, so I'm going to go back to perl probably.
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01:54.47iateadonuti heard perl was the best thing ever.
01:54.48AwesomeGuyC takes up too much space
01:54.52husimonAwesomeGuy, perl isn't horrible, people just use it in horrible ways
01:54.55SeveredCrossWhut?
01:54.57gravity"C takes up too much space"?
01:54.58AwesomeGuyperl: print "test"
01:55.00gravityWhat does that mean?
01:55.10AwesomeGuyC: about 10 lines for that same thing
01:55.16gravityOh, you have to manually manage stuff. Right.
01:55.17SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: Uh..
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01:55.25AwesomeGuyor 5
01:55.32SeveredCrossint main() { printf("test"); }
01:55.35gravityAwesomeGuy: This is why you use the right tool for the job.
01:55.35SeveredCrossYou can put it all on 1 line.
01:55.36SeveredCross:-P
01:55.48gravitySeveredCross: That needs a return 0;
01:55.52gravitySeveredCross: And #include <stdio.h>
01:55.54iateadonutsome engineer at alcatel told me perl was the greatest thing in the world about ten years ago.  i don't know if his opinion has changed.
01:55.54husimonit's more about knowing how to program, then knowing X language
01:56.11SeveredCrossgravity: I was assuming he already knew that, and you're right about the return.
01:56.24AwesomeGuyI wish this was the 90s. programmign was easier back then. everyone knew it.
01:56.34SeveredCrossWhut?
01:56.35husimonwhat?
01:56.36gravityAwesomeGuy: Are you kidding?
01:56.39iateadonuthuh?
01:56.47mr_flea_Are there any newer releases of madwifi-source? I was trying to use madwifi for some rather advanced stuff and it caused my computer to kernel panic. The version I grabbed from the repos appears to be more than a year old, though, and I'm hoping a new revision will have the issue fixed.
01:56.53husimoni'm pretty sure more people can program now then then.
01:57.00gravityI'm pretty sure it was harder too
01:57.04husimonAwesomeGuy, how old are you?
01:57.17Bladesmansounds like just what I was looking for, craigevil-eee.  Thank you.
01:57.28SeveredCrossMy guess, 15.
01:57.30bokeyAwesomeGuy: go out. play with your mates
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01:57.34AwesomeGuyback then, you had to actually know stuff to use a computer. now, it's just kids using myspace and youtube.
01:57.47husimonAwesomeGuy, i don't consider myspace and youtube knowing how to use a computer
01:57.53iateadonutyou don't have to go on myspace and youtube.
01:57.58SeveredCrossAwesomeGuy: Er, whut? People in the 90's had Windows 3.1!
01:58.05SeveredCrossAnd later Windows 95, and 98.
01:58.07gravityNot really... I remember a lot of people knowing very little using their computer. AOL and whatnot.
01:58.07SeveredCrossAnd OS2/Warp.
01:58.12Ian_Daniheranyone care to share their favorite bitmap system font?
01:58.14iateadonutbest operating system ever.
01:58.15SeveredCrossAnd Mac OS, and lots of stuff.
01:58.16gravityHell, I used AOL back then
01:58.24husimonman AOL was the worst
01:58.43iateadonuti thought it was so amazing.  chat rooms and the such.
01:58.48husimonlocked into their bloatware browser
01:59.05gravityBut yeah... the 90's were no golden age. Installing linux was next to impossible. Then getting it really running was impossible.
01:59.05poseidonWhats a good virtual machine for linux?
01:59.15AwesomeGuyssh?
01:59.19husimonposeidon, Xen, VirtualBox, vmware
01:59.22gravityposeidon: qemu with kqemu is pretty good
01:59.23karstenIan_Daniher: "fixed".
01:59.30karstenposeidon: ... or qemu
01:59.31AwesomeGuyopensshd?
01:59.33gravityhas yet to try virtualbox
01:59.34husimonposeidon, virtualbox is pretty easy
01:59.35gravityI should though
01:59.39husimonposeidon, I would try that first.
01:59.50karstenhasn't tried virtualbox either.
02:00.01husimonno kernel modules
02:00.04karstenhusimon: ... also kvm (kernel virtual machine)
02:00.05iateadonuti never figured out what masquerading is.
02:00.19husimoniateadonut, you haven't?
02:00.22iateadonutnot really.
02:00.32BladesmanPretending you're someone else.
02:00.34pipelineposeidon: VMware is really the best option, bar none
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02:00.52iateadonuti'd like to really know about networking... if anyone knows a good resource.
02:01.13husimonit just means you take a single public ip, and use it to route to a bunch of internal non-routable addresses
02:01.15pipelineiateadonut: cisco has reams of freely available material.  You have to register on the site, but that's about it.
02:01.20iateadonutlike, to know everything... to know all the commands and how to use them.
02:01.22iateadonutcisco.
02:01.27BladesmanO'Reilly has a good online library.
02:01.36shaprHi, I'm having a problem with dhcp3-client in debian/unstable. ifup eth1 shows dhcpdiscover, then dhcpoffer, then dhcprequest, but never an actual lease.
02:01.40iateadonutthanks.
02:01.40husimondepends on what you mean by networking
02:01.43pipelineiateadonut, husimon : Well, beyond that, you also mangle packets such that traffic coming from the non-routable addresses looks like it is coming-from/going-to the routable IP
02:01.48poseidonI'm planning on using it to test a very simple kernel I wrote.  So I want it to be able to give me good debugging information, configurations, etc.
02:01.51pipelineiateadonut: well, that's a related problem
02:02.03pipelineiateadonut: cisco has reams of introductory material to explain what the fuck those commands do :)
02:02.10iateadonuti mean, i put opie on a ipaq, but i couldn't get it to access the internet through usb0.
02:02.20pipelineposeidon: bochs and simics are probably your best bets then.
02:02.29iateadonutso, rather than look for instructions and try a million things, i'd like to really know what's going on.
02:02.31iateadonutjust like that.
02:02.33pipelineposeidon: vmware has a debugging interface, but it's essentially undocumented
02:02.42poseidonpipeline, thanks
02:02.51husimoniateadonut, Its usually more complicated then knowing everything
02:02.57pipelineposeidon: simics costs serious bucks unless you qualify for an academic license.  Hope you're a college student :)
02:03.07iateadonutits = trying everything?
02:03.14iateadonuttrying everything is more complicated than knowing everything.
02:03.16pipelineposeidon: bochs is pretty limited in what it can do WRT debugging, but the debug interface is uh... somewhat documented.
02:03.22shaprSo, why would I see a discover, an offer, a request, but never get any dhcp lease? Even more strange, a valid lease shows up in /var/lib/dhclient.eth1.leases, but it never starts working!
02:03.23husimoniateadonut, solving a problem
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02:03.46iateadonutwell, sure, if knowing everything meant being able to solve a problem, it'd all be done by computers.
02:03.57pipelineposeidon: this is the only resource I have on using vmware for debugging.  The guy who wrote it isn't a native english speaker, and the information is scattered across pages.  It's a real bitch. http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/backdoor.html
02:04.04husimoniateadonut, learning to find and read log files to solve problems is a big help.
02:04.18shaprIs there another channel that would be better for asking dhcp questions?
02:04.19iateadonutAwesomeGuy never told us how old he is.
02:04.35husimonya AwesomeGuy how old are you?
02:04.41AwesomeGuy13
02:04.47iateadonutha ha!
02:04.52gravityshocker
02:04.52husimonfigures
02:05.01iateadonutso you started programming when you were 3!?!
02:05.09iateadonutme, too.
02:05.18iateadonuton the commodore 64.
02:05.24shaprI started programming when I was 11... on the sinclair spectrum.
02:05.44iateadonutthe first program i wrote played ode to joy.
02:06.01Bladesmanhad a C64! LOAD "$" ,8 ; LIST
02:06.07iateadonuti also made a program on an apple a long long time ago.  it was just a star going across the screen.
02:06.16husimonI think I started with BASIC
02:06.18husimonwhen iwas 15 or so
02:06.26\amethystmy first programs were tic-tac-toe and a function plotter (you had to change the source code to change the function being plotted, of course)
02:06.29shaprNowadays I like to write code in Haskell.
02:06.35\amethystage 7 or so
02:06.40\amethystmaybe 8
02:06.59shaprBut I can't find any more powerful languages than Haskell, too bad.
02:07.01iateadonutyeah, my ode to joy was in basic.  but that was 1990 when i was 10.
02:07.01BladesmanSYS 49152
02:07.16iateadonutwhat languages do you know, shapr?
02:07.20poseidonI started programming in my early teens
02:07.41iateadonutdoes html count as programming?
02:07.45pipelineNo.
02:07.49pipelineBecause it's not.
02:07.50husimonI was programming in the WOMB!
02:07.51husimon...
02:07.51Bladesmanalmost married his FastLoad cartridge.
02:07.52poseidonshapr, I guess you havn't found asm?
02:07.54shapriateadonut: I've been paid to write Java, VB, Python and Haskell. But I've used lots of languages for fun.
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02:08.02shaprposeidon: Yes, asm is not as powerful as Haskell.
02:08.07pipelineshapr: you've been PAID to write haskell?
02:08.08iateadonutand you think haskell is the best one?
02:08.09pipelineshapr: liar
02:08.15shaprpipeline: no seriously.
02:08.20shaprpipeline: I worked on happs.org
02:08.22gravityGood luck getting asm to do what haskell does
02:08.29up365husimon, no you was DNA programmed in the womb
02:08.35husimonup365, heh
02:08.44pipelinegravity: good luck getting haskell to do what haskell does, if your platform isn't supported by ghc's non-interpreter mode ;)
02:08.49\amethystpipeline:  CS grad students often have paid research assistantships or fellowships
02:08.49poseidonshapr, Thats like saying that a butterfly is more powerful than an aircraft carrier.
02:08.51gravitypipeline: No kidding
02:08.59pipeline\amethyst: ahhh, now you're onto it.
02:09.03shaprpipeline: I got that job from meeting the guy at ICFP 2006
02:09.07gravityHell, good luck understanding what haskell is doing.
02:09.14shaprgravity: It's not that hard.
02:09.24pipelineI once tried to get ghc to run properly on 64 bit IRIX.  That was a mistake.
02:09.24iateadonuta butterfly can fly.  an aircraft carrier cannot.
02:09.28\amethystCome on, it's simple category theory.  Sheesh.
02:09.29gravityshapr: I dunno, the weird ghc optimizations I hear about kinda scare me
02:09.35SeveredCrossiateadonut: That's what you think!
02:09.39gravityThen again, I haven't looked under the hood ever
02:09.47shapr\amethyst: Category Theory is nice to know, but it's not at all necessary :-)
02:09.56\amethystyeah, I know :)
02:10.01shaprIt's like knowing the theory behind OOP, not at all necessary.
02:10.16pipelinegravity: don't.
02:10.22gravityheh
02:10.29shaprLike, who knows the difference between covariance and contravariance and can usefully use it in Java Generics? not many people..
02:10.43iateadonutseveredcross: is that the name of your punk band?
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02:10.45SeveredCrosscontravariates shapr.
02:10.49iateadonut(not being sarcastic)
02:10.51pipelineshapr: hahah useful java generics
02:10.54SeveredCrossiateadonut: Nope, I hate punk.
02:11.17iateadonutbetter change your name, then.
02:11.21poseidonSeveredCross, what do you like?
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02:11.36poseidonlikes alternative rock (he doesn't like the name, however)
02:11.38SeveredCrossposeidon: Some old-ish rock & roll, lots of stuff.
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02:12.52iateadonutdo you like "grandpa jones"?  good bluegrass.
02:13.04SeveredCrossMe? Nope.
02:13.05shap1but I actually came here to try to get my dhcp problem fixed... I'm stealing a neighbor's wifi to ask questions here :-/
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02:13.38iateadonutit's not stealing as long as you give it back.
02:13.58iateadonutback to work.  bye, people.  thanks for the diversion.
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02:14.24shaprright, but... has anyone seen the dhcp problem I describe?
02:14.44BladesmanYou on a router?
02:14.48shaprdiscover, offer, request request, loop
02:16.03Bladesmanshapr: You on a router?
02:16.21Nylewell
02:16.22shaprNah, this is my box connected to the cable modem.
02:16.22shaprAlso, this was working fine up until recently
02:16.39shaprBladesman: nope
02:16.47shaprMy box is directly connected to the cable modem.
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02:17.07BladesmanJust a sec...
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02:17.23shaprIt appears to be a problem with dhcp, but hours of perusing my logs, manpages and google haven't turned up anything.
02:17.39shaprActually, if I could get ath5k working I'd still be fine, but that appears to be the same problem.
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02:18.28\3TATUKHow can I get a custom-compiled .ko to be recognized by modprobe?
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02:18.57pipeline\3TATUK: move it to /lib/modules/`uname -r` , then run depmod -a
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02:20.06\3TATUKnice 100% ty!
02:20.13shap1sighs
02:20.25holycowhi guys
02:20.31holycowhas anyone seen this phenomenon:  bios sees a 500 gig pata drive fine as long as its not formatted.  The moment it is formatted it cannot be recognized as slave drive by bios and i get strange characters identifying the primary slave device
02:20.35holycowthis motherboard isn't too old, 4 years ... anyone run into this bizarro problem after formatting in ext3?
02:20.59Nyleprimary slave?
02:21.05Bladesmanshapr: Gonna dcc you my router docs (html).  It shows many things to try to isolate network/dhcp problems in the troubleshooting section, and you should install the linux howtos and read the networking docs.
02:22.01shap1Bladesman: I've worked with networks lots, and dhcp lots, I'm convinced it's a problem with dhcp in debian/unstable, or some esoteric configuration of mine.
02:22.15BladesmanIf you can't apt-get the howtos, they're on tldp.org
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02:23.19Bladesmanfires over his /etc/network/interfaces file too.
02:24.31BladesmanYou might also try a dpkg-reconfigure dhcpd
02:24.37shap1that's a good idea
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02:24.54shap1Bladesman: Ah, I'm guessing dcc isn't happy about my neighbor's NAT
02:26.03BladesmanIf you're on a neighbor's NAT, then you're on a router of some kind, and it may be at their end.
02:26.49shaprMy debian box is plugged into my cable modem, but my work laptop is using my neighbor's wifi
02:27.23shaprI can't get the broadband modem working...
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02:33.26Bladesmanshapr: Hopefully it's on it's way.  I hear google and some of the other freemail sites are dumping attachments in /dev/null, or are starting to.
02:33.44shaprthat would be sad
02:34.11shaprAh, I got your /etc/network/interfaces file, thanks.
02:34.36BladesmanI know they're definitely limiting attachment sizes.
02:34.49BladesmanThese are small tho.
02:34.52shaprIt looks almost exactly like mine, except I have a bunch of wifi stuff as well... perhaps I should pull my atheros card.. the problems did start when I put it in today.
02:35.20BladesmanI dunno squat about wifi yet.
02:35.28GhostlyDeath|LptSling: that wasn't what I was looking for
02:35.43shaprI don't know much more. I had this atheros card working six months ago, but I can't figure it out today.
02:35.43GhostlyDeath|LptSling: Those are for KDevelop, which I do not use
02:36.17craigevilshapr: try Debian/sidux installation guide: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian :: For newest Atheros devices, use http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz
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02:37.38Bladesmangrins. or do a ping for-loop through the available IPs and see which ones respond.
02:37.50GhostlyDeath|Lpthmm
02:37.58GhostlyDeath|LptSo what package would contain man pages for C functions?
02:38.13pipelineGhostlyDeath|Lpt: I would guess libc6-dev
02:39.08GhostlyDeath|Lptpipeline: libc6-dev has no manpages
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02:39.57Bladesmanapt-cache search "reference"apt-get install c-cpp-reference
02:40.24GhostlyDeath|LptI found what I was looking for, manpages-dev
02:40.32Bladesmanc-cpp-reference may be the one you're lookin for.
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02:41.16xsdgGhostlyDeath|Lpt: manpages-dev
02:41.23xsdgerr... yeah... :o)
02:41.29GhostlyDeath|Lpt=)
02:42.47BladesmanGotta jam.  g'luck shapr...
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02:45.33AwesomeGuyI've almost had it with my life
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02:45.55AwesomeGuyEvery time I try to learn a programming language I can never get it, even easy ones like perl
02:46.20AwesomeGuyIt gets too confusing, I can't remember it all
02:46.48AwesomeGuyasking for help on the help channel for it just gets people telling me to read help files with nothing in them that can actually help
02:47.03AwesomeGuythen they call me lazy for not being able to find the answer myself
02:47.08AwesomeGuyI hate it
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02:47.51AwesomeGuyeveryone else is better than me at everything
02:48.33shap1AwesomeGuy: tried Python?
02:48.35shap1AwesomeGuy: it just takes time and effort to get good at stuff.
02:49.16DewiAwesomeGuy: perl is one of the hardest languages to learn
02:49.24DewiAwesomeGuy: because there is so much of it, and it's so subtle
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02:49.43AwesomeGuywhat's the easiest one
02:49.58gravityperl is not easy
02:50.06DewiAwesomeGuy: none of them are easy, but it's certainly easier to know your way around the basic language of something like java which has minimal syntax
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02:50.22gravityAwesomeGuy: Programming is just plain hard. You have to just keep at it. Keep reading, coding, and debugging.
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02:50.28Dewi(but in java you need to know a lot about other matters like all the frameworks and tools)
02:50.29gravityAwesomeGuy: There's no easy way to do it
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02:53.43tavitoIs there an easy way to install kde4.1 beta in debian lenny?
02:53.48shap1AwesomeGuy: I've been learning programming for 25 years. I've learned a lot, but there's still so much more cool stuff I don't know!
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02:55.52wols_!kde
02:55.52dpkgfrom memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>.  KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
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02:56.22wols_!kde4
02:56.22dpkgsomebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.  See <kde version>.
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03:06.47|Ryan52How do you make a comment in a man page?
03:07.38gravity|Ryan52: check out groff(7) for complete docs
03:07.56gravity(which is neat, I'd never gone looking for that manpage before, so I didn't know it was there)
03:08.10|Ryan52arg. I don't have that one. What package is it in?
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03:08.44gravity|Ryan52: groff on my system
03:08.54gravityThis is an older ubuntu install though, but somehow I doubt it's changed
03:09.20|Ryan52this is #debian...
03:09.31gravityI'm not asking for help
03:10.11|Ryan52ya, I know...nvm.
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03:11.00|Ryan52groff only has 216 packages that I need to install to get it :P
03:13.35roe_www.debian.org doesn't seem to have a "Small CD" to install lenny
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03:14.16roe_nm, found what I need
03:14.47pipelinethe smallest option is the business card
03:14.54pipelinethe smallest option that doesn't require the network is, ironically, the "netinstall"
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03:32.02Guerin!test
03:32.02dpkgTest Failed.
03:32.05Guerin:(
03:32.38divelifar out, http://www.superliminal.com/cube/applet.html
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03:46.06Nylehey
03:47.12buckyyeh
03:47.55Nyleykcub
03:48.20Nyleuckybay
03:48.30troubled<(O.o)>
03:49.10Nyleoubledtray
03:49.18Nyletroubled, sup man whats you upto
03:49.59troublednadda, chillin on the soap that is irc :)
03:50.08Nyleyou like chillin
03:50.19Nylecheck out Manu Chao - Me gustas tu
03:50.23troubledwell gelin' but without the insoles :)
03:50.24Nylegreat chilout song
03:51.08Nyleme gusta la debian, me gustas tu!
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03:51.26troubledlol
03:51.31Nyle:)
03:51.32troubledgroves
03:51.46Nylegroove
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03:52.19Oogwhat pkg is curl/curl.h in?
03:52.30Nylelibcurl-dev?
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03:52.34Nylesomething?
03:52.54troubledOog: apt-get install apt-find && apt-find update && apt-find search curl.h
03:52.54Nyleapt-cache search curl|grep dev
03:53.09troubled!win me
03:53.09dpkgCongratulations, troubled! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
03:54.02Nyle<PROTECTED>
03:54.11Oogno package apt-find
03:54.12Nylewin my ass...
03:54.17NyleOog, apt-file.
03:54.30Nyle!search
03:54.30dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
03:55.00Nyle!lose troubled
03:55.01dpkgtroubled: You Lose.
03:55.11buckylibcurl4-gnutls-dev
03:55.24buckyapt-file search curl.h
03:55.29NyleI was close
03:55.38Nylelibcurl-dev something
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03:56.27buckyit's also in libcurl4-openssl-dev
03:56.41Nyleme gusta la dpkg, me gustas tu!
03:56.47troubled:)
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03:57.16troubledlol apt-find, duh. my bad
03:57.21troubledya, apt-file sorry :)
03:57.31Nyleits alright
03:57.35Nyleyou are troubled
03:57.38Nylewe understand ;)
03:57.39troublednod
03:57.45troubled;)
03:57.50troubledone of those days heh
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03:58.18torroell1hello problems with resolution here.
03:58.28Nyle!tell torroell1 -about ask
03:58.36torroell1I am writing...
03:58.41Nyletorroell1, give us lots of info
03:58.59torroell1I can't select 1280x800 just 1024x768, how can I change it?
03:59.13Nyletorroell1, what does 'xrandr -q' output?
03:59.20Nyletorroell1, is your mode listed?
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04:00.07torroell1Nyle: http://www.asasas.pastebin.com/m3bdd4c83
04:00.08pipelineyou either need a particular modeline (difficult) or a better graphics driver (usually easy)
04:00.15torroell1No it is not listed.
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04:00.27Nylepipeline, nah modelines can be easily generated all you need is a resolution to feed in
04:00.47Nyletorroell1, which gfx card do you have?
04:00.53stewtorroell1: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg".  if that doesn't help, show us /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:01.06buckydpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:01.13torroell1Nyle: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
04:01.25Nyletorroell1, do what stew says
04:01.40torroell1Nyle: http://www.asasas.pastebin.com/mc7f5728
04:01.50torroell1Nyle: I did
04:02.50Nylewhat is the proper driver to use for that?  just 'intel' ?
04:02.56stewyes
04:02.59torroell1I just wrote, intel
04:03.10stewtorroell1: what version of debian is this?
04:03.13torroell1It was something like evas devas, something like that
04:03.18Nyletorroell1, still waiting for xorg.0.log
04:03.19torroell1stew: testing
04:03.29stewtorroell1: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
04:03.40torroell1Nyle: ok
04:03.44stewtorroell1: you should end up with a much smaller xorg.conf
04:03.44Nyletorroell1, btw just curious, which model laptop is it?
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04:03.57torroell1Nyle: mx6901m gatway
04:04.01torroell1gateway
04:04.24torroell1by the way, there is no xorg.0.log
04:04.34stewtorroell1: its /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:04.36Nylein /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:05.11stewtorroell1: wait, what mode are you trying to use?
04:05.19torroell1http://www.asasas.pastebin.com/m30016b19
04:05.23Nylestandard ws laptop mode I think
04:05.30stewNyle: no such thing
04:05.31Nyle1280x800
04:05.35Nyleheh
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04:05.39stewthat's what he's using now
04:05.51Nyleno he is using 1024x768
04:06.10Nyletorroell1> I can't select 1280x800 just 1024x768, how can I change it?
04:06.17stewNyle: not according to xrandr -q or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:06.22torroell1I try to use, 1280 x 800
04:06.31stewtorroell1: that is what you are using
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04:06.35torroell1nope
04:06.38stewtorroell1: on which monitor?
04:06.49torroell1uhm the one used by the lap
04:06.51torroell1:p
04:06.52stew#
04:06.53stew(II) intel(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1280x800
04:07.01stewwhich agrees with the output of xrandr
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04:07.13Nyleahh there the link is for his xrandr otuput
04:07.49Nylewait.. so if you are using the resolution you want
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04:08.04Nylewhats the problem? you want a WS resoution a tv out?
04:08.06torroell1I don't it says 1024x...
04:08.13torroell1look
04:08.14stewtorroell1: what says 1024x...?
04:08.29Nylebut you are USING 1280x800 on the laptop already...
04:08.33torroell1system > prefrences > resolution
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04:09.11stewi don't know what that is
04:09.22stewbut i trust the x server itself to know better than whatever that is
04:09.34torroell1let me show you
04:09.58JyZyXELi wonder if i can install debian to an existing ext3 partition that has some data in it
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04:10.16torroell1stew, Nyle http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1038/screenshotvm4.png
04:10.43torroell1Do you see how it cuts on the right?
04:10.44tristezo2khello everybody. I have a machine, with 4 x 8139C (I think) ethernet cards.
04:10.47proemJyZyXEL take a look at debootstrap
04:10.59Nyletorroell1, yes
04:11.02tristezo2kCOnnected by serial I do ifconfig eth1 x.x.x.x/b.b.b.b
04:11.03Guerintristezo2k: hey, big spender
04:11.05tristezo2kand I can ping
04:11.09extortorroell1, which MSN client are you using?
04:11.22tristezo2kbut dhclient eht4 for example
04:11.22tristezo2ktimeouts...
04:11.23torroell1extor: emesene
04:11.23stewtorroell1: yes, that is a 1280x800 screenshot
04:11.28extorbetter than amsn?
04:11.35torroell1extor:  lol, of course
04:11.36tristezo2kI _know_ that the dhcp is working because I plug my lap and it works.
04:11.36Guerintristezo2k: test each separately on a known-good link
04:11.47torroell1stew: then how can I adjust it?
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04:11.56tristezo2kI am currently connected by ssh at one of the itnerfaces.
04:12.02Nylestew, I think he has a gnome configuration problem
04:12.02tristezo2kand it _works_
04:12.02Guerintristezo2k: those are possibly the cheapest network card in common deployment, and they have a high failure rate
04:12.07stewtorroell1: what do you want to use instead of 1280x800?
04:12.16stewNyle: why do you think that?
04:12.22torroell1I want to adjust it
04:12.28stewtorroell1: in what way?
04:12.29tristezo2kI known, but this is an industrial motherboard, with the 4 cards solded on it :)
04:12.30Guerintristezo2k: so you don't need to test that one, then
04:12.31torroell1On windows I was using 1280x800
04:12.37torroell1stew:  in what way? did you see the image?
04:12.39stewtorroell1: now you are using 1280x800 as well
04:12.41stewtorroell1: yes
04:12.43Nylestew, he is using the correct resolution but if you look at the screnshot, his panels and everything else is cut finished at that point
04:12.51tristezo2kI cound barely install debian 4.0 by CF, and debootstrap
04:12.52Guerintristezo2k: oh well, tough shit then. if it doesn't work, it doesn't work and is likely just a dicky eth card
04:12.53tristezo2kon it. :P
04:12.56extortorroell1, this was one of the packages it needed: Unpacking python-sexy (from .../python-sexy_0.1.9-1_i386.deb) ...
04:12.57Nylestew, its not a resolution issue with xorg, its a gnome issue i think
04:12.58torroell1Nyle: exactly!
04:13.27Nyletorroell1, I don't use  gnome only KDE
04:14.25tristezo2kBut I know that it worked, some other time, and it seems to me that is avery low level bug o something
04:14.25extortorroell1, it doesnt have webcam support does it?
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04:14.33torroell1extor: that's why skype exist
04:14.35tristezo2kbtw, what happened?
04:14.35tristezo2k:-S
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04:14.36Nyleand gnome isnot confirugint your thing right for 1280x800 because somehow gnome doesn't know about it becuase it doesn't even show that resolution so your entire gnome isr estricted to 1024x768 inside of 1280x800 with dead screen space
04:14.38torroell1stew, Nyle http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png
04:14.44torroell1that's what gnome shows on the configuration
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04:15.09dihymocan i use ia64 or amd64 on intel core duo
04:15.14torroell1Nyle: what should I do then :|
04:15.18Nyleno idea
04:15.20CompWizrddihymo: amd64
04:15.40extortorroell1, so how does it beat amsn then?
04:15.44Nyletorroell1, for the hell of it, try to aptitude install fluxbox
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04:15.53torroell1extor:  doesn't get freeze, try it
04:16.02torroell1Nyle:  never :)
04:16.06Nyleheh
04:16.38Nyletorroell1, I don't know how to fix your problem but your 2nd screenshot looks like it is fixed?
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04:17.00tristezo2kmmmm who pulled the big cable on the router? :-P
04:17.12torroell1Nyle: oh if I grab the window to the right then maxime, it works same with the bar at the bottom, not with the up one
04:17.17torroell1and when I open a new window
04:17.19stewNyle: what is the problem that you see on the last image he pasted?
04:17.41NyleI don't think I see one
04:17.48torroell1stew: http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1038/screenshotvm4.png
04:17.50stewNyle: but you think you know how to fix it?
04:17.55stewtorroell1: what about it?
04:17.56torroell1look the bars and the wallpaper
04:18.05stewtorroell1: ok
04:18.21Nylestew, it doesnt' look stretched out
04:18.32Nylestew, like I said, I have no idea how to fix his problem
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04:18.49stewNyle: you mean how to get screenshotvm4.png to look like screenshot1jq2.png?
04:18.57Nylehang on
04:19.08Nyleoh
04:19.15Nyleno i didn't see this yet
04:19.20Nyleyeh this has a major problem
04:19.26stewtorroell1: so screenshot1jq2.png looks the way you want it to (referring to the panel on the bottom?) and you want to know how to make the panel on the bottom of screenshotvm4.png move to the same location?
04:19.31stewNyle: what is?
04:19.53Nylexorg has the correct resolution but gnome is fucking up on the panels and am guessing it will also fuck up on maximized windows
04:19.55torroell1stew: it can't be moved
04:20.02torroell1Nyle:  YES!!!
04:20.11stewNyle: the panel is not fucked up in http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png however, right?
04:20.12extorhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/cl-base64/filelist  <--- How on earth is one supposed to get help on this package?
04:20.20Nylestew, no thats whats confusing
04:20.29Nylestew, I think he switched to a lower resolution in xorg?
04:20.40stewNyle: both images are the same resolution
04:20.52stewwget "http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png" -O- | identify -   -> PNG 1280x800 1280x800+0+0 DirectClass 8-bit 237.973kb
04:21.02torroell1stew: yes, but in the second one I moved the maxime window and the bar down
04:21.19Nylehm
04:21.27stewtorroell1: what is a maxime window?
04:21.33Nylemaximized
04:21.43torroell1mazimize?
04:21.45torroell1maximize
04:21.46torroell1yes
04:22.22stewtorroell1: so there in this image, there is no problem: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png  right?
04:22.30torroell1there is a problem
04:22.35torroell1I moved all just to see the difference
04:22.35Nyleon his 1280x800 resolution/desktop, his gnome desktop is limited to 1024x768 (windows wont maximize past this resolution, and panels wont' go past it either
04:22.37stewtorroell1: what is the problem in that image?
04:22.38Nylethat is the problem
04:22.43torroell1Nyle:  yes!!!!!!
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04:22.55torroell1stew:  what Nyle  said
04:22.57Nylestew, why are you making it so difficult to understand
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04:23.18stewNyle: if panels won't go past it, how was http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png produced?
04:23.27Nylethats what confusing
04:23.28Nyle!
04:23.31torroell1stew: grabing all
04:23.44torroell1but I cant move/grab the up bar
04:23.51torroell1there is no way to move the up bar
04:23.52stewtorroell1: so there in this image, there is no problem: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9003/screenshot1jq2.png  right?  if so, what is the problem in that image?
04:24.12torroell1stew:  the problem is that's not a default configuration
04:24.15torroell1I adjusted it
04:24.21torroell1forcing it
04:24.35stewtorroell1: and when you exit gnome, it is not saved?
04:24.42torroell1that's correct
04:24.43stewtorroell1: how are you exiting gnome?
04:25.02torroell1:/
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04:25.08torroell1you didn't get the ponit
04:25.09torroell1point
04:25.12torroell1Nyle: did
04:25.13Nyletorroell1, just answer the question
04:25.20Nyleplease
04:25.20torroell1system >> shutdown?
04:25.36stewi'll stop then
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04:26.11Nylestew, he answered
04:26.27stewNyle: but aparantly i'm not getting the point
04:26.35stewand i seem to be frustrating him
04:26.38torroell1stew:  let me give you a new pic
04:26.45torroell1any image edit package, please
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04:26.50torroell1to write you something on the image
04:27.14Nyletorroell1, be nice if you want help
04:27.27stewNyle: how is he not being nice?
04:27.33torroell1exactly...
04:27.34torroell1:p
04:27.39torroell1what did I say, sorry
04:27.42Nylenm
04:28.16Nyletorroell1, so gnome-session or something isn't saving your session
04:28.21Nyleisn't there a way to force it to save it?
04:28.34Nyletry irc.gnome.org #gnome or #gnome here
04:28.37Nyleor something
04:28.40torroell1no that's not the problem
04:28.52torroell1the problem is that the resolution is wrong in somehow
04:28.59NyleI thought we concluded that is the problem, gnome is not saving yoru settings for resolution
04:29.21torroell1no no no
04:29.23Nyleisn't that what you said when he asked you to ocnfirm
04:29.38torroell1no I did not, he asked, stew  did
04:29.45Nyle<              stew> torroell1: and when you exit gnome, it is not saved?
04:29.45Nyle12:24 <         torroell1> that's correct
04:30.03torroell1it is not saved, because don't have to
04:30.12torroell1if I force it, there is still a problem
04:30.22torroell1just the bar at the bottom is solved
04:30.25torroell1but the limit on open windows
04:30.35torroell1and the bar up is the same
04:30.36torroell1get it?
04:30.43NyleI already got it :)
04:30.50NyleI just don't know how to help you fix it
04:31.01NyleI'm not knowledgable on gnome
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04:31.43stewit seems to me like gnome needs to either remeber new settings or forget the settings it already has
04:32.12torroell1stew: something is wrong, xorg as yous said i guess says is 1280 but gnome says 1024, and is working on 1024
04:32.13Nyleyou could try to move ~/.gconf* to somwhere else and start fresh to see if tht helps
04:32.17Nylemaybe
04:32.24NinjaManI enabled my root account by setting a password and then disabled it using "passwd -l" but now when I do "sudo su" it tells me the account is expired - how can I fix this?
04:32.27Nyleor create a new user and try from there?
04:32.29torroell1because on ubuntu had the same problem, but I fixed it moving the small squares above
04:32.35torroell1on the resolution preferences
04:33.04stewNinjaMan: run sudo passwd to set a new passwd
04:33.09torroell1but ubuntu doesn't include those small squares
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04:33.48NinjaManstew: but that will re-enable root, I want it to be disabled as was the default on installation
04:34.07torroell1stew, Nyle http://two.xthost.info/ladiesman925/asuseee/ubuntu-eee-screen-resolution.png that square above, on ubuntu it showed me two, a small one and a big one, grabing the small inside the big, worked.
04:34.10stewNinjaMan: it is deisabled now
04:34.16roewhere can I find an update history for the forcedeth module
04:34.18roe?
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04:35.09NinjaManstew: yes but it generating a user expired error when using "sudo su" which it did not before
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04:35.39stewNinjaMan: which it did not before what?
04:35.58stewroe: you mean development history for the kernel source?
04:36.16roeyes, relevant to that specific module
04:36.28NinjaManstew: I mean when I installed the system, root was disabled, but "sudo su" did not generate a user expired error
04:36.41stewroe: http://www.kernel.org/doc/local/git-quick.html
04:37.02stewNinjaMan: what version of debian did you install?
04:37.29NinjaManstew: lenny
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04:37.29stewNinjaMan: root wasn't disabled
04:37.29stew(when you installed)
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04:37.56NinjaManstew: then I don't understand why I couldn't use it, and I wasn't asked to set a password on installation
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04:38.06usamahashimihello everyone
04:38.07roeok, I'll look through the src tree, thanks
04:38.19stewNinjaMan: how did you install sudo if you weren't able to use the root account?
04:38.45NinjaManstew: it was installed during the installation
04:39.09usamahashimii am using kubuntu and i want to switch to debian but the only thing that prevents me is the old packages (as debian is not as much updated as kubuntu), is there any solution of that?
04:39.10enoufit?
04:39.23stewenouf: he's saying that the lenny installer installed and setup sudo
04:39.49stewusamahashimi: /msg dpkg bpo
04:40.24enoufwell, honestly, i haven't tried an installer for over a year, so i'll sit back
04:40.43usamahashimistew: whats this?
04:40.47liablethere was something on the d-boot list about this recently
04:40.59stewdpkg: tell usamahashimi about bpo
04:41.02stewdpkg: tell usamahashimi about backports
04:41.04enoufusamahashimi: it's a way to use newer software with etch
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04:42.37enoufusamahashimi: debian even has install CDs (1 only needed) designed for those who want kde or xfce as DE, instead of gnome
04:42.46snogglethorpeanybody use debian with amd 780g chipset system?
04:43.01usamahashimienouf: I think in this way when i try to install any new package it will install approx whole new system with it as dep?
04:43.04enoufusamahashimi: actually, netinstall can do it all, but
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04:43.40enoufusamahashimi: you should read a bit about debian, /msg dpkg releases
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04:44.09stewNinjaMan: sorry i was unaware of this new feature of the installer
04:44.24usamahashimienouf: lemme read this thanks
04:44.42NinjaManstew: I guess we are going the way of ubuntu
04:44.58enouf?
04:45.14NinjaManstew: but I am just wondering what is the correct way to disable root as per installation
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04:45.46enoufdid you choose the newer 'auto-install' or 'auto' ??
04:45.47NinjaManenouf: ubuntu was one of the 1st distributions to have root disabled upon installation and sudo configured
04:46.01NinjaManenouf: to be honest I can't remember
04:46.13landetninjaman - edit shadow and remove the password hash
04:46.31JyZyXELi wonder if the debian net installer has that remote install thingy?
04:46.35JyZyXELso you can install it over SSH
04:46.38landetnever have root or su again
04:46.41GhostlyDeath|LptWhat package would I need to create FAT32 partitions with gparted?
04:46.55proemJyZyXEL of course it does.
04:47.15enoufJyZyXEL: netboot, or debootstrap
04:47.19NinjaManlandet: just in /etc/shadow ? (not /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow- etc)
04:47.45Guerinxdisabling root is stupidity itself
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04:48.07Guerinit's one step away from that retarded old idea of booting into single-user mode to do system maintenance
04:48.20landetsudo passwd -l root
04:48.22NinjaManwhy Guerin?
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04:49.20Guerinsudo isn't a substitute for root
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04:49.47stewNinjaMan: did it setup sudo so that your user can run any command as sudo without a password?
04:49.51NinjaManGuerin: go on - where does sudo let you down
04:50.14Guerinit's almost always misconfigured, being too hard for n00bs to figure out, and `i enabled sudo on my machine' usually amounts to `anyone can have root if they get a luser password now'.
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04:50.18NinjaManstew: no - I have to type my own user password to user sudo
04:50.30GuerinNinjaMan: partly it's in implementation
04:51.02Guerinelsewise, there's the fact that sudo causes bizarre behaviour with homedirs and dotfiles
04:51.16NinjaManGuerin: I see your point, but I would hope that since sudo was configured at installation, it was done in the correct "secure" manner
04:51.21Guerinthe fact that you can't trivially echo to a file as root using sudo
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04:52.16NinjaManGuerin: to be honest the best thing for me about sudo is that it logs usage
04:52.26GuerinNinjaMan: I hope too. But there's always been a qualitative difference between how people treat their user credentials and their root credentials. People guard the latter more carefully (not that they should).
04:52.37GuerinNinjaMan: so does root.
04:53.26NinjaManGuerin: I understand - and looking the the default installed /etc/sudoers, it appears the sudo for my user can run any command
04:53.43enoufNinjaMan: see if /var/log/installer/syslog* gives any clues, but you'll see the choices if you mount the cd and look in  /mnt/point/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -- do you remember typing /anything/ at the boot prompt?
04:53.52Guerinyeah
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04:54.02Guerinset up like that it's not secure
04:54.10Guerinset up any other way it's useless as a default
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04:54.47JyZyXELlol the debian netinstaller doesn't have a driver for my NIC
04:55.00GuerinJyZyXEL: get a decent NIC
04:55.07JyZyXELkinda ruins the installation
04:55.14NinjaManenouf: I don't remember do anything at a boot prompt, I will check installer/syslog
04:55.20enoufJyZyXEL: only wifi?
04:55.32JyZyXELno i have old 3com
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04:55.42enoufNIC?
04:55.50enoufwired?
04:55.55JyZyXELya
04:55.57Guerin3com should be supported
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04:56.03JyZyXELwell it isn't
04:56.18enouf3com made winmodems too, that's why i asked
04:56.27stewJyZyXEL: do you know what model?  how is it connected?  pci?
04:56.40JyZyXELstew well its in the PCI
04:56.43JyZyXELi go look the model
04:56.55enouflspci | grep 3com
04:57.05enouflspci -nn  | grep 3com
04:57.08stewi can't imagine there is an older 3com pci card that isn't supported by the d-i kernel
04:57.11NinjaManenouf: according to installer/syslog - sudo definitely set-up during installation and created an /etc/sudoers file as one didn't exist
04:57.31JyZyXELstew 905C-TXM
04:57.44enoufNinjaMan: right, do you recall being asked to setup root?
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04:58.00NinjaManjyZyXEL: I have that card - what is the problem?
04:58.09JyZyXELNinjaMan netinstaller doesn't detect it
04:58.32enoufNinjaMan: i recall one could reject that .. ergo only sudo with user
04:58.41JyZyXELi need a full version of the netinst
04:58.47NinjaManenouf: I'm checking
04:58.51JyZyXELi have some lame 170MB version
04:58.58enouffull?
04:59.05JyZyXELyea so that it has all the drivers
04:59.21enoufwell, try cd1 maybe, but ..
04:59.26stewJyZyXEL: that should be supported by the 3c59x driver
04:59.26NinjaManJyZyXEL: I'm not familiar with net installer, does it have kernel modules that it loads upon h/w detection?
05:00.02JyZyXELi don't know
05:00.03stewJyZyXEL: try running "modprobe 3x59x"
05:00.04NinjaManJyZyXEL: stew is right, that is the driver I user
05:00.29enoufso; find /lib/modules/`unsme -r` -name '3c59x*' -print
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05:00.41NinjaManJyZyXEL: although I had to install it on a windows machine first and set everything to default using the latest driver and the windiags tool
05:00.59NinjaManJyZyXEL: then it worked properly in linux with auto-negotiation etc.
05:01.10stewJyZyXEL: err "modprobe 3c59x"
05:01.17enoufNinjaMan: lshal | grep driver | grep 3c
05:01.37stewwould d-i really have lshal?
05:01.52enoufhrm ...
05:01.52JyZyXELstew there isn't module named that
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05:02.04stewJyZyXEL: 3c59x or 3x59x?
05:02.12JyZyXEL3c59x
05:02.16JyZyXELill go try the other one
05:02.25stewJyZyXEL: no, the other one was a typo
05:02.36NinjaManJyZyXEL: no 3c59x - then presumably that is the problem
05:02.39JyZyXELneither there was that another one
05:02.39enoufstew: i know i've searched kmuto images for specific marvell drivers and it was mifsing
05:02.52JyZyXELlol who left that out of the installer
05:03.07JyZyXELits like the most common NIC ever
05:03.21enoufJyZyXEL: keeping the netinstall small is priority
05:03.28JyZyXELwhy
05:03.31JyZyXELCD is 700MB
05:03.34enoufno it isn't
05:03.38stewthe netinstall definately contains that driver
05:03.41enoufnatsemi might be
05:03.47JyZyXELstew Not Found
05:04.27enoufJyZyXEL: let's see the full name of your 'netinstall.iso'
05:04.37JyZyXELno idea
05:04.58enoufgreat
05:05.02JyZyXELthe CD was from late 2007
05:05.11JyZyXELdecember i think
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05:05.14SupaplexNyle: you've been outbid on ebay #250255442325
05:05.51JyZyXELso i download the latest netinst and im gonna have that driver?
05:06.04stewJyZyXEL: the one you have has that driver
05:06.19JyZyXELstew well then the modprobe ain't looking it from the right place
05:06.20stewJyZyXEL: its probably just a matter of getting the installer to install a udeb
05:06.21enouf$ cat .disk/info
05:06.21enoufDebian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 BC Binary-1 20070407-11:28
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05:06.27NinjaManenouf: installer/syslog - just shows me that it imported a root account.
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05:06.37NinjaManenouf: the only other thing I can find is - Mar  2 18:16:43 main-menu[1554]: INFO: Menu item 'user-setup-udeb' selected
05:06.37NinjaManMar  2 18:16:45 main-menu[1554]: INFO: Menu item 'user-setup-udeb' succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured.
05:06.41stewJyZyXEL: which perhaps requires you to use expert mode
05:06.47JyZyXELi am using the expert mode
05:07.02stewJyZyXEL: do you have a way in the expert mode to select which udebs are installed?
05:07.03enoufNinjaMan: my last question didn't involve the logs
05:07.14JyZyXELstew well lemme go check
05:07.58NinjaManenouf: I assumed your last comment "NinjaMan: lshal | grep driver | grep 3c" wasn't supposed to be directed at me
05:08.34enoufNinjaMan: no it wasn't
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05:09.36enoufNinjaMan: apologies, i'm confused . ignore me
05:10.21buckySupaplex, I bet he's trying to sell the ex too
05:10.22enoufalthough .. i DID ask about what you did during Install
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05:11.03Supaplexbucky: I asked the seller "Everything but the girl?"
05:11.13buckyhaha
05:11.25enouf[00:52:41] <enouf> NinjaMan: right, do you recall being asked to setup root?   [00:53:29] <enouf> NinjaMan: i recall one could reject that .. ergo only sudo with user
05:11.53NinjaManenouf: yes - I don't think I was asked to set-up root
05:12.13NinjaManenouf: since I'm debian old school, I would almost certainly have said yes
05:12.16enoufdon''t think?
05:12.22stewenouf: he choose a rootless install
05:13.07GhostlyDeath|LptI'm trying to create a fat32 partition in gparted but the fat32 option is grayed out, any suggestions?
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05:18.05JyZyXELso whats the best way to trasnfer linux system to a new bigger HD?
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05:20.01stewJyZyXEL: /pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/nic-modules-2.6.18-6-486-di_1.44etch3_i386.udeb contains lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.ko
05:20.17JyZyXELstew yea i found it
05:20.37JyZyXELim installing this thing to 10GB HD :p
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05:21.18JyZyXELhave to transfer it to a bigger one when i get a working adapter -.-
05:21.55jesseis there a way to remove packages to were installed to satisfy recommendatins?
05:22.14\amethystuntil you press a key
05:22.15\amethystdoh
05:22.24owen1i installed usbmount. where is it mounting my ipod? /media/usb is empty.
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05:23.47stewJyZyXEL: lvm can make this type of thing easier, you can add a bigger drive to the vg, then tell lvm to move everything off the smaller drive, then you just copy /boot over (assuming you don't have /boot also on lvm) and make sure that the new drive has a bootloader properly configured
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05:24.35stewjesse: if you install them with aptitude this is done for you,  if you used apt-get then you don't have a straightforward way unless you used apt 0.7 or newer
05:24.43JyZyXELi always put all the stuff to same partition
05:24.47stewjesse: you can look at deborphan or debfoster
05:25.05JyZyXELwell i certainly hope i can trasnfer this stuff to a bigger HD
05:25.39jessestew: everything was done with aptitude, yup, but after unchecking "automatically install recommendations" it still keeps them installed. :(
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05:28.31stewjesse: oh, i misunderstood your question.  hmm
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05:35.14jesseany ideas?
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05:36.40stewjesse: what is the reason you want to do this? just to cut down on the number of packages installed?
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05:46.00liablebelong to us?
05:46.26JyZyXELbash: lspci: command not found
05:46.43liableinstall pciutils
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06:02.34liable!qotd0
06:02.45salparadiseso in debian, how do I hardcode the mtu value?
06:02.50liabledpkg: wake up!
06:02.51dpkgliable: I'm already awake! :)
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06:03.07liablesalparadise: hardcode?
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06:03.21jessestew: yes, sorry, exactly that.
06:03.34liablesalparadise: you can set it with ifconfig
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06:03.50stewjesse: try running debfoster
06:03.58salparadiseliable: yeah for sure, but when I run /etc/init.d/network restart it sets it to 576
06:04.19salparadiseliable: I edited /etc/network/interfaces with mtu 1500 under eth0
06:05.23liablesalparadise: odd. never heard of that happening before.
06:05.30owen1what package do i need for the service command? (i try to restart nfs daemon)
06:05.35liablesalparadise: man interfaces says it takes the option
06:05.49liable!services
06:05.50dpkgmethinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
06:06.12jessestew: kk
06:06.16peterrooneysalparadise: do you by chance have network-manager / network-manager-gnome installed?
06:06.25salparadisepeterrooney: don't think so
06:06.30NinjaManstew: found the answer: after locking the root account (passwd -l root) or (usermod -L root) I need to use "usermod -e 1 root" - to truly lock the account and not just password access to the account (see man usermod)
06:06.36salparadisepretty stripped down install, just use this machine as my firewall
06:06.44owen1liable: i didn't understand this explanation..
06:07.08liableowen1: if you want to start and stop services with a program, install one of those above
06:07.12peterrooneygood to check - network-manager doesn't play nicely with /etc/network/intergaces
06:07.15owen1liable: ok
06:07.27stewowen1: the service command is a readhatism.  you just run "/etc/init.d/whatever restart" instead of "service whatever restart".  if you really want to use "service" perhaps you could "ln -s /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d /usr/local/sbin/service"
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06:07.46salparadisepeterrooney: k, I will
06:07.53owen1stew: got it.
06:07.58salparadiseyou know what binary will be running if it was?
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06:10.46liablesalparadise: you are unlikely to have it if you dont know about it.
06:11.09salparadisefound it, is on the lease from my ISP
06:11.11salparadiseoption interface-mtu 576;
06:11.14salparadisefuckers
06:11.20liableheh
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06:17.07JyZyXELnow my keyboard is swimming in 0xc0ffee
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06:19.40_Progress_hi, is there under debian tool like rc-status that i can see all of my running services/scripts in /etc/init.d/ ???
06:20.35OpenTokix_Progress_: ls -l /etc/init.d ?
06:21.38_Progress_OpenTokix: I want to see started/stoped services
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06:21.49_Progress_not all of them
06:23.11liablehmm
06:23.15liable!services
06:23.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
06:23.18stew_Progress_: the typical answer to this question is "ps", probably nothing like what you are asking about
06:23.30JyZyXELno linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686
06:23.30liabledoesnt sysconfig show em?
06:23.37_Progress_i try all of that
06:23.37liablei cant recall
06:23.42obnauticushttp://digg.com/odd_stuff/What_the_hell_google <-- lmao.
06:24.07liableJyZyXEL: you will have to get them from snapshot.debian.net
06:24.17JyZyXELhmm welll ill just update to 2.6.24
06:24.37JyZyXELaptitude upgrade wants to install it anyways
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06:25.11stewliable: there is no standardized way to know if a service has been started or not, so i don't see how sysconfig could tell you
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06:25.25stew(at least with sysv)
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06:26.15stewactually lsb probably has a standardized way, but not all scripts are lsb compliant yet
06:26.27stewthough i believe lsb-compliance is a lenny release goal
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06:26.38stew(for init scripts, at least)
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06:27.54_Progress_stew: how ps can show init scripts?
06:28.29stew_Progress_: ps can show you all running processes, therefore can show you which daemons are started
06:29.11JyZyXELstew what terminal emulator do you use?
06:29.43_Progress_i know what ps do... :P
06:29.58stewJyZyXEL: uxterm
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06:30.47_Progress_i see that on debian based systems there is no way to see every of started init scripts :(
06:30.57JyZyXELWhile the name of the program is xterm, the X resource class is XTerm. The uxterm script overrides this, using the UXTerm resource class.
06:31.03_Progress_i don't understand that.
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06:34.21stew_Progress_: its being worked on.  you can help by adding a 'status' verb to init.d scripts that are missing them
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06:42.13JyZyXELSuSe ad says that SuSe is hard to hack
06:42.32liableeh?
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06:42.46JyZyXELtheir ad department using reverse psychology? ;D
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06:45.09snogglethorpeJyZyXEL: "As suse follows no standards for most functionality and arbitrarily fucks up and randomizes those standards it _does_ purport to follow, hackers have no chance!  Suse: because your hair has points."
06:45.38snogglethorpesomething like that?
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06:45.57JyZyXELionno there was this ad picture that had: - Hard to hack
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06:47.26_Progress_thare is a shot from gentoo and rc-status. http://progress.myftp.org/rc-status.jpg
06:47.33Cope_I'm deploying a pair of machines which will terminate SSL connections and then reverse proxy to a pool of webservers.  Hardware will come from Dell, so will either be an R300 (single socket, Intel) or an SC1435 (two socket AMD).
06:47.59Cope_<PROTECTED>
06:48.09Cope_ideas / opinions?
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06:48.57xinguCope_: depends whether you want to favour flatline throughput or concurrency
06:50.10xinguCope_: none of the existing ssl implementations I'm aware of are threaded; so flatline throughput (of a single ssl socket) is determined by the raw data mangling capacity of a single core.
06:50.26rkinglet's say i wanted to write a tutorial on how to set up some software, but since my system is so apt-get'd and configured i have no idea what to tell people to install... is there an easy way to boot from a debian livecd thing and work on a fresh (but temporary) system?
06:50.33NinjaManstew / enouf: actually it appears that "passwd -l root" sets account expiry to 1 day in addition to locking the password. So I need to use - usermod -e "" root - to set account expiry back to "never" - this solves my problem
06:50.58Cope_xingu: oh... i wasn't aware that ssl wasn't threaded
06:51.09Cope_so does that mean I won't see the benefit of multiple cores?
06:51.32\amethystrking:  another, simpler way, would be to debootstrap yourself a chroot
06:51.34xinguCope_: you will, but on a per-socket basis
06:51.35Cope_and I'd be better with a single dual core as fast as It can fo?
06:51.43\amethystrking:  then you can chroot into that and it's like you're on another system
06:51.52rking\amethyst: aha!, yes of course.. i kenw i should ask here. thanks.
06:52.04NinjaManstew / enouf: because clearly I don't want to expire the root account, as presumably havoc will ensue. I just wanted to disable the password access. I suspect using "usermod -L root" instead of "passwd -l root" will serve my purpose
06:52.09Cope_xingu: ah, right, so best bang for buck would be 2 x fast duals
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06:52.41xinguCope_: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ <-- that (MT-AES-CTR) is the only threaded crypto I've seen in the wild.
06:52.59Cope_i'm just going to be using nginx / openssl
06:54.20snogglethorpehmm so nobody's used debian with amd 780g chipset?  any better channels to ask?
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06:59.22redspikeHi all, Iam sitting and doing Benchmark test, on vmware esx and debian with xen, in windows 2003. but i get results in passmark that the xen nistallation is faster then native can this be true ?
06:59.43rkingsnogglethorpe: this is the best channel.. but sometimes it takes patience and polite persistence. keep googling while you wait, you might have to try on several occasions
07:00.06snogglethorperking: i dunno if it's too new for people to have experience or not
07:00.25NetEchodoes the first time you run a rsync take forever even if there isn't much to change?
07:00.32snogglethorpeNetEcho: shouldn't
07:00.34rkingsnogglethorpe: what's your real question, though?
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07:00.53NetEchosnogglethorpe I'm running a rsync from my windows pc using cygwin to my debian system
07:01.06NetEchoI had already copied most everything over but not sure if this rsync is working
07:01.07snogglethorperking: just whether their are known issues, or people have had debian install and run without problem
07:01.16wols_rking: VMs often play a
07:01.27wols_play havoc with clocks -> unreliable results
07:01.32snogglethorperking: i guess one can _almost_ assume it these days, but it's nice to hear positive confirmation
07:01.38rkingsnogglethorpe: and also it doesn't look like you googled (it looks like there are plenty of people on the web who have talked about this)
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07:01.59NetEchowell this PC has 1435 files the debian system has 1534
07:02.00JyZyXELso is there a lighter choice for gdm or kdm
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07:02.07JyZyXELDisplay Manager
07:02.10rkingwols_: ?
07:02.12wols_xdm
07:02.22JyZyXELwols_ xdm doesn't let you choose the WM
07:02.29JyZyXELit just displays login and password
07:02.29snogglethorpeNetEcho: dunno about cygwin, but rsync is more or less stateless
07:02.36NetEchoso I take it rsync is just comparing all files?
07:02.37JyZyXELyou type them and press enter and there we go again
07:02.46snogglethorpeNetEcho: it's clever about it, but more or less
07:02.46JyZyXELit asks username and password forever
07:02.48JyZyXELjust loops there
07:03.18NetEchosnogglethorpe it seems to be working there is 4 new files so I guess it'll be deleting some soon
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07:04.13snogglethorpeNetEcho: my impression is that the windows filesystem is not the fastest, and rsync is probably tuned to working with typical unixy fses too
07:04.27NetEchoahh
07:04.33NetEchoI wish there was an easier way to sync these folders
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07:04.49snogglethorpeNetEcho: also it uses stat info and I dunno the degree to which cygwin can succesfully emulate that
07:05.01NetEchoah
07:05.10NetEchowell hrm
07:05.19NetEchoit does only take about 5 mins to copy this over the network
07:05.24NetEchoI could just kill the folder and re-copy it
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07:06.35JyZyXELis there some tutorial for xdm?
07:06.36JyZyXEL!xdm
07:06.36dpkgi heard xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up.  If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*)
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07:07.08JyZyXELhaha you ask about xdm and it tells me how to remove it =D
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07:08.21stupidknightthat has to be a bad sign
07:08.26JyZyXELyea
07:08.33JyZyXELguess ill have to use gdm
07:08.41Bushmillsnot asking for wm or de is one of the things which make xdm lighter ...
07:09.11JyZyXELisn't it kinda pointless then
07:09.25JyZyXELif you cannot choose a WM to use
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07:10.12Bushmillsmany users are happy to set it up and just use the one they picked.
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07:10.29JyZyXELoh so you set it to something in some file?
07:10.40Cope_i guess given that i will also be doing reverse proxy, using nginx, which benefits from threading, the best compromise might be to go with 2 x quad core, as fast as I can afford?
07:10.42Bushmillsright
07:11.15snogglethorpeJyZyXEL: don't know offhand, but it probably just runs .session or something
07:11.33snogglethorpe[been a logn tiem since i've used xdm]
07:11.40BushmillsJyZyXEL: compare it to ...getty not allowing you to pick your shell ...
07:11.53Bushmillsand calling your getty pointless because it doesn't
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07:12.14JyZyXELso where do i set the wm i wanna use?
07:12.20JyZyXELi have fvwm-crystal installed
07:12.53Bushmillssome would say "that's just not getty's job to do" as they would with wtih display manager not allowing to pick window manager
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07:13.17snogglethorpeJyZyXEL: do "man xdm" or something
07:13.31WormFooddoes anyone know of a good php based file upload system, so people can send file to me without having to use ftp?
07:13.41WormFoodfiles*
07:13.45JyZyXELWormFood #php
07:13.58Bushmillsyour .xessions should do
07:14.02Bushmills.xsession
07:14.06WormFoodJyZyXEL, where can I download that from? :P
07:14.19Bushmillsman X
07:14.22JyZyXELWormFood thats a IRC channel
07:14.33JyZyXELlol @ man X
07:14.42CcSsNET_haha
07:15.18WormFoodJyZyXEL, no shit! I know it is an irc channel...my point was, you didn't answer my question
07:15.33JyZyXELWormFood go ask the PHP channel
07:15.40JyZyXELthis is the Debian channel
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07:16.08snogglethorpe#debian: all bitching, all the time
07:16.32rkinggoes to the AutoZone and demands a McMuffin.
07:16.59JyZyXELsnogglethorpe im just following the teachings of the great wols_ ;)
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07:17.35WormFoodrking, it is more like going to booger king, to ask for a mcmuffin
07:18.13wols_#php will throw him out if he asks his questin there. probably rightfully so
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07:18.41WormFoodof course, my fault for asking anything here
07:18.46rkingWormFood: www.google.com will not offer snarky comments to such questions.
07:18.52wols_JyZyXEL: you can set it via /etc/alternatives/ for exampl
07:18.53wols_e
07:18.56WormFoodrolls his eyes
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07:19.13rkingWormFood: if this was real life, i would make a slap-bet with you that i could google that in one shot
07:19.16Cope_picks them up and puts them in his pocket.
07:19.21WormFoodif you don't fuckin' know the answer to my question, then just shut the fuck up
07:19.41wols_WormFood: do you have a debian related question or are just here to whine?
07:19.43rkingWormFood: you are definitely not acting like a penis.
07:19.48Bushmillstime for another ignore
07:19.49WormFoodif I wanted to use google, I would have, I was looking for something that someone has an opinion on
07:20.07wols_WormFood: ask #web or such
07:20.26WormFoodthanks for your non-help
07:20.39wols_thanks for your OT questions. have a nice day
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07:20.48Cope_goes "whoooo!" in the style of someone satirising someone making a fool of himself.
07:20.54wols_!customer
07:20.54dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
07:21.01JyZyXELhaha
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07:21.04snogglethorpeA php user by the looks of it
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07:21.15wols_JyZyXEL: search for x-display-manager packages btw
07:21.51JyZyXELoh thats way better then my "apt-cache search display | grep manager"
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07:23.50Bushmillsbut it misses sdm and another one whose name i forgot
07:24.20Bushmillsand ldm
07:25.49wols_then maybe one needs to check for the tag::display-manager
07:25.56wols_aptitude can do this. somehoe
07:26.02wols_s/e/w
07:26.03rkingBushmills: i don't think you'd really want those to come up in the same category as gdm etc
07:26.04JyZyXELhmm im guessing its this Session thing that controls what WM you use
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07:26.32ddaltonhow do I install a sid package from my lenny box?
07:26.32Bushmillsrking: you're wrong. i want them to come up.
07:26.44rkingBushmills: cool
07:27.14wols_Bushmills: but why aren't they tagged with x-window-manage?
07:27.40Bushmillswols_: can't really tell you. inconsistency, neglect.
07:27.56rkingwols_: they're both weird remote-display-managers-over-encrypted-channels things
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07:28.13rkingwols_: i wouldn't expect them to be lumped in the same category as the normal, local ones
07:28.34badcfelatest version of bash on lenny (maybe readline issue) a problem apeared for me
07:28.44Bushmillsldm is usable as local DM
07:28.44badcfei have ansi escape sequences in my PS1
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07:29.43ddaltoninstalling sid packages
07:29.43badcfein the latest version of bash it DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE to have ansi escape sequences in PS1
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07:30.49rkingbadcfe: check out \[ and \]
07:31.53enouf~$ apt-cache search x-window-manager | wc -l
07:31.54enouf50
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07:34.19owen1i am connected with lan cable to the router. to set up a static ip all i need is to change the router settings?
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07:34.43Bushmillsowen1: is that a ubunutu question?
07:34.57owen1Bushmills: pure etch.
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07:35.06dpyhey guys
07:35.52dpylenny is going to be 5.0, right?  but wasn't at some point lenny supposed to be 4.1 ?
07:37.14ameyerI don't think it was
07:37.29stewdpy: yes, its going to be 5.0.
07:37.50ameyerbut I wasn't paying much attention, to be honest.
07:37.59dpyI thought I made a mental note about it becoming 4.1 some time ago
07:38.11dpymaybe it was a brainfart, I don't know
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07:50.04macoute_owen1: if i understood your question, to set up a static ip you dont need to touch the router at all, just your debian box
07:50.20macoute_well, that of course depends on your network and router
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07:51.25Dewidpy: several linux distros increment by a whole number every 6 months now
07:51.59OpenTokixDewi: so?
07:52.16Dewiso decimal-point release numbering is getting less popular
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07:53.24macoute_well, the biggest of them all (ubuntu) still uses a decimal numbering with a real special twist :P
07:53.32moshiiseems a bit silly to have the .0 in that case..
07:53.35ddaltonhey, I run a deamon called brltty, how can I get this started at boot time? what script?
07:53.47macoute_moshii: maybe for minor updates
07:54.06moshiimacoute_: says 4.0r3 in the topic..
07:54.19OpenTokixDewi: so, people should leave a esablished standard used for many years by popular demands from the general public?
07:54.22moshiimacoute_: so the rn prefix seems to be used for that
07:54.23BushmillsDewi, "several linux distros include proprietrary software" so free is getting less popular too? reason for debian to add proprietrary software now?
07:54.38DewiBushmills: what a hysterical suggestion
07:54.44macoute_Bushmills: whoo! :S
07:54.52OpenTokixBushmills: ^5
07:55.02macoute_"microsoft vista is getting popular", Bushmills why dont you change?
07:55.05BushmillsDewi: just to demonstrate the pointlessness of your popularity reasoning
07:55.26macoute_thank god i didnt get that one :)
07:55.31DewiOpenTokix / Bushmills : perhaps I'm missing what incredibly important meaningful metric you think version numbers measure
07:55.40Dewithey are about as arbitrary as anything can be
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07:56.01OpenTokixDewi: Well, you will always know how a version is compared to another version - by the same metric
07:56.15OpenTokixas debian version know
07:57.18Dewiwell spit it out then
07:57.21Dewiwhat's the metric?
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07:58.10OpenTokixmajorrelease.minorreleaseRsubrelease
07:58.34moshiiDewi: usually increments of 1 indicate a major change.. > 1 increments indicate minor changes
07:58.44stewOpenTokix: this is not the way debian releases are numbered
07:58.48OpenTokixstew: ok
07:58.50Dewimost debian releases contain major changes
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07:59.26Dewiif you're talking 0.1 per release, you're basically telling me x.1 -> x.9 is "a few minor changes" when that could cover like 14 *years* ?
07:59.26moshiimm but if all debian releases are going to be major releases, why have this .0rN thing
08:00.07OpenTokixhttp://sparky.ox.compsoc.net/~grimoire/howto/nomenclature.html <-- here it is
08:00.25Dewisupport certainly doesn't go on for more than a couple of releases
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08:04.12wols_moshii: the rN stuff is still the same stable release but "servicepacks"
08:04.43owen1macoute_: got it.
08:04.48moshiiwols_: I just wonder why there is a need for the zero if that's the case.. it's a bit web 2.0 gimmick
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08:05.04OpenTokixDebian spring 2009 edition with sun and other characters from toy story edition
08:05.06wols_no it's not
08:05.22moshiiwols_: 4r3 contains the same information with 2 bytes less
08:05.23OpenTokixpro
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08:05.53Dewimoshii: it's more important to keep the number of bytes consistent than to save them wherever possible
08:05.59OpenTokixmoshii: counting debian has 10 billions users, and everyone downloaded it, five times, that is 100 billion saved bytes in bandwidth
08:06.22wols_1.0 or 2.0 naming existed way befor web2.0
08:06.31OpenTokixwols_: !!
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08:07.13wols_OpenTokix: to what other planet is debian exporting its software then?
08:07.20moshiiDewi: I was sort of joking. But I don't see the point in it being there if it's never going to change
08:07.29OpenTokixwols_: ;)
08:07.37Dewimoshii: it has been changing like every second release
08:07.47stewmoshii: its never going to change?  says who?
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08:08.00Dewimoshii: this will be the first time it has stayed zero twice in a row
08:08.03obnauticuserr, how do i change the listening ip that the package Motion uses?
08:08.13OpenTokixstew: you did <stew> This will never change, so help me god!
08:08.17Dewiis somebody going to argue that lenny won't be "major enough" and give an actual reason?
08:08.31obnauticusoh nevermind
08:08.45stewOpenTokix: when did i say that?
08:08.47moshiiDewi: so it is a major.minor naming scheme.. someone said that wasn't so like 20 lines ago
08:08.52OpenTokixobnauticus: did you just attach, read some backlog and decided to detach again? =)
08:08.55moshiioh dear
08:09.00OpenTokixstew: im trying to defuse the situation here =)
08:09.07Dewibecause that would be less stupid than arguing and complaining about numbers without talking about any real metrics, but still kind of stupid
08:09.12OpenTokixmoshii: I did, but stew said it was wrong
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08:09.35Dewibecause it is more or less completely subjective
08:09.47moshiiprefers the toystory code names to numbers any day
08:09.55stewmoshii: it is not a major.minor naming scheme
08:10.00owen1is it enoght to edit cat /etc/network/interfaces   if i want static ip?
08:10.02Dewias evidenced by some near-identical distros having totally different schemes
08:10.10stewmoshii: it is simply a greater than / less than relationship
08:10.18OpenTokixowen1: yes
08:10.28owen1OpenTokix: thanks
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08:10.38OpenTokixDewi: Are you talking about ubnutu?
08:10.44moshiistew: ok, so 4.1 would be fairly close to 4.0.. where as 5.0 would be quite different from 4.1?
08:10.50stewmoshii: no
08:11.04DewiOpenTokix: among other clusters of distros, yes
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08:11.42OpenTokixwasnit it so that 2.x became 3.x when they incorporated kernel 2.4.x and 3.x became 4.x when it was 2.6.x as std. kernel?
08:11.56stewOpenTokix: no
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08:12.04OpenTokixor did sarge have 2.6 standard, iirc you had to boot installer with bf26 to get 2.6 installer
08:12.13stewOpenTokix: 3.0 became 3.1 when they incorporated a 3.6 kenrel
08:12.30DewiOpenTokix: does it look locked to a kernel revision to you?
08:12.32stew^3.6^2.6
08:12.36Dewibecause it... just hasn't been
08:12.45OpenTokixstew: ok
08:13.04OpenTokixstew: but was the 3.1 installer 2.6 default ?
08:13.09stewOpenTokix: no
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08:13.54stewOpenTokix: the default installer for 3.0 was 2.2, for 3.1 was 2.4 and for 4.0 was 2.6
08:14.02DewiI don't remember 2.4 -> 2.6 affecting a whole lot anyway. Not compared to 2.2 -> 2.4, or the pre-etch device probe changes
08:14.51OpenTokixstew: no, 3.0 had 2.4
08:15.05stewOpenTokix: it had both 2.2 and 2.4, but used 2.2 by default
08:16.01Dewihttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html
08:16.15owen1OpenTokix: right  now i have this line -  iface eth0 inet dhcp   do i need to replace it with the lines i see in the debian guide?
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08:16.17moshiiwoody used 2.2 default? can't remember than
08:16.19moshiithat
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08:16.36Dewiwhy not read that page and see? It doesn't really talk about kernel versions much
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08:17.30OpenTokixowen1: iface eth0 inet static
08:17.36OpenTokixowen1: den address, netmask, gateway
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08:17.41OpenTokixowen1: on each own lines
08:18.13owen1OpenTokix: should i keep the  iface eth0 inet dhcp?
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08:18.30Bushmillswell, here is the lenny announcement but other than stating that lenny will be 5.0, it doesn't give any reason why it is so.
08:18.31stewyou'd end up installing with a kernel like 2.2.20-idepci waiting for you to install a real 2.2.20 kernel, or you'd optionally use "bf24" and end up with 2.4, but these were install kernels, and you were expected to install a real 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 kernel post install
08:18.33Bushmillshttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html
08:18.34OpenTokixowen1: http://fpaste.org/paste/2998
08:18.37OpenTokixowen1: liek this
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08:18.52OpenTokixowen1: if your if is eth2, change to eth0 if its eth0, etc.
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08:19.39OpenTokixstew: aye
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08:20.24owen1OpenTokix: thanks. do i need to remove the current line or keep it?
08:20.31OpenTokixowen1: remove the dhcp -line
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08:20.35owen1OpenTokix: ok
08:20.37OpenTokixowen1: since you are not using dhcp =)
08:20.53OpenTokixowen1: then when you are done you can use ifdown eth0 && wait 5 && ifup eth0
08:21.02OpenTokixowen1: sorry, sleep 5
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08:22.36henry_nicolasHello everybody, I'v got a small problem with cron tasks, somebody told me that they must be sorted by date&hour while i'm runing crontab -e, is that true ?
08:22.46owen1OpenTokix: how do the eth number?
08:22.58stewhenry_nicolas: this is not true
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08:23.24owen1OpenTokix: the dhcp was eth0
08:23.25OpenTokixowen1: its in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, but it might change
08:23.28stewhenry_nicolas: there is often no way to even sensibly do such a thing
08:23.34OpenTokixowen1: is it eth0 you are using?
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08:23.36owen1OpenTokix: sorry. 1
08:23.40henry_nicolasstew: I also guess it wasn't true, thanks
08:23.59OpenTokixowen1: do you have more the none netcard? Usually if you have ieee1394 in the machine it will show up as network to
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08:24.15owen1OpenTokix: do i need to keep 1? it was 1 not 0.
08:24.18OpenTokixowen1: check ifconfig to see what if's you have
08:24.25OpenTokixowen1: then it should be 1 on the static line
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08:25.53owen1OpenTokix: should i do ifdown eth1 && wait 5 && ifup eth1
08:26.14OpenTokixowen1: yes, but sleep 5 instead of wait 5
08:26.19owen1OpenTokix: is it one line?
08:26.22OpenTokixowen1: I assume you are logged in localy on the machine
08:26.32owen1OpenTokix: yes.
08:26.34OpenTokixowen1: yes, one line - but if you are logged in via ssh you should do it in a screen
08:26.43OpenTokixowen1: since you will loose network connectivity
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08:27.11OpenTokixowen1: I also assume you replaced my ip's with your own static ips
08:27.12owen1OpenTokix: ok. after i run it i should be connected again?
08:27.40OpenTokixowen1: aye
08:28.00owen1OpenTokix: sure. my router is 192.168.1.1 and i want my ip to be 192.168.1.2 make sense?
08:28.30OpenTokixowen1: yes
08:28.33wols_owen1: then change your router IP on your router. nothing debian can do
08:28.55OpenTokixowen1: then address is 192.168.1.2 and gateway 192.168.1.1
08:30.35OpenTokixowen1: netmask is still 255.255.255.0
08:30.35wols_OpenTokix: why wouldn't gateway change?
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08:30.49DaemonaxAnyone able to help here. I'm using gNewSense and a package has been removed which xorg-dev relies on, so I can't install xorg-dev, how can I force it? I've tried apt-get --force-yes and --fix-missing, but they don't help.
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08:31.22wols_Daemonax: wrong channel
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08:31.52OpenTokixwols_: we are discussing how to set a static ip on his client
08:32.03defryskgNewSense is derived from ubuntu afaIk so try there
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08:32.46DaemonaxYeah it is... It still uses the debian tools though, and no-one in #gNewSense seems to know the answer.
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08:33.12stewDaemonax: try a gNewSense mailing list or a gNewSense web forum then
08:33.26SparFuxSeems like my system hardlocks are caused by AGPMode "4"
08:33.47DaemonaxAhwell, thanks.
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08:34.14OpenTokixdefrysk: yeah, they even include a builder to make your own rolled crap from humped hardon
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08:35.11moshiiwonders if people think about supporting stuff before they create forks..
08:35.52zophyshould i minimally blank a cdrw or totally blank a cdrw before reusing it ?
08:36.06zophyplease, discuss amoungst yourselves
08:36.17moshiizophy: you have to erase it before you can rewrite iirc
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08:36.27OpenTokixzophy: Why whould anyone wanna use cdrw?
08:36.38moshiiOpenTokix: to save the dolphins
08:36.42OpenTokixmoshii: ok =)
08:36.44dpyOpenTokix: backward compatibility ?
08:36.45defryskzophy, minimally should do
08:36.47zophyi don't have a dvd here aqt the moment
08:37.00OpenTokixdpy: to what?
08:37.02OpenTokixcd-r =)
08:37.07OpenTokixcheap
08:37.43OpenTokixburn one every two years with the new debian release
08:37.43dpydpy: to any machine not supporting DVD or BRD
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08:37.43moshiiOpenTokix: yes, but you can't rewrite them
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08:37.43moshiiOpenTokix: so if you're going to use that disk once it's a waste
08:37.48OpenTokixmoshii: ok =)
08:37.54ShredZI compiled gtk and get a symbol lookup failure on jpeg_std_error in libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 what is wrong ?
08:38.17moshiiOpenTokix: not long till we run out of plastics,.. so save them while you can ;)
08:38.39OpenTokixmoshii: I tought we made plastic out of dolphines
08:38.42OpenTokixdolphins
08:39.01zophyomg, cd's, dvd's at $200 a barrel !
08:39.16moshiiOpenTokix: yeah, and we're running out of dolphins to make plastic out of
08:39.41zophyi thought we made tuna out of dolphins
08:39.47moshiiOpenTokix: we'll have to start on the wales next, and you can't do that without hippies in boats chasing you
08:41.12OpenTokixmoshii: true true
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08:42.41slxixmoshii: you'll have to use a submarine.
08:43.41moshiislxix: use the sonar to force the wales to beach? "As they're already dead it'd be a criminal waste not to make plastic"
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08:45.20Dewimoshii: I can confirm that people often don't think about supporting stuff when they create forks
08:45.34Dewimoshii: it's become a pet hate of mine
08:45.44slxixperhaps we need a forking howto? :)
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08:46.09mquinslxix: so are you going to forking write this forking howto? ;)
08:46.45moshiiDewi: they're all too busy going into space and stuff
08:46.48slxixI'll start it, but I'm a forking virgin. :P
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08:47.08Dewislxix: the people who make these sorts of mistakes are the same people who don't read howtos
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08:48.43cast|liris the ipmasq package still recommended?
08:49.05wols_yes
08:49.08wols_dnsmasq too
08:49.36cast|lirnods
08:49.37slxixDewi: are you saying that as opinion or fact?
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08:51.39cast|lirand what package to do port forwarding?
08:51.52Dewislxix: there are no facts in software management, just subjective approaches
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08:52.37slxixi see i see. the forking howto will be made up just like software management is. :)
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08:59.54ddaltonhey, can someone tell me how to start a software deamon at boot up?
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09:00.24wols_ddalton: make a symlink from /etc/init.d/ to /etc/rc2.d/ starting with S##
09:00.48wols_the ## tells at what point in the bootup process it's started. e.g. so you can start network daemons after the network is actually up
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09:01.18peterrooney!rclocal
09:01.19dpkgmethinks rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence.  if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).  rc.local is considered a hack,  consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>).
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09:02.06ddaltonwell, I want to start it as early as possible, its for my braille display, so I can see anywhere eg. file system errors...
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09:04.05wols_ddalton: does it debpnd on anything else to work? or is it automatic?
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09:04.15peterrooneyddalton: from what wols_ suggested:  put script in /etc/init.d/ and make a symbolic link to /etc/rc2.d/S00_braille.  However, i'm not sure which would get called first.
09:04.20wols_you can start it in /etc/rcS.d/ too that's earlier. sane S## numbering scheme
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09:04.40wols_but the script itself is always in /etc/init.d/
09:04.45Bert_2Hi, I'm searching for old MySQL 4.0 server packages, are they still available somewhere ?
09:04.48MacGyverNLCould anyone check http://rafb.net/p/ayTJMu46.html ?
09:04.57MacGyverNLThe key is in the first few lines.
09:05.19MacGyverNLRunning debian etch, gdm and (let me check)
09:05.24peterrooneyddalton: sorry - meant to add, ...which would get called first, rc.local or rc2.d
09:06.00wols_peterrooney: rc.local is BS
09:06.06wols_Bert_2: I told you
09:06.15bizhanHI I need to install a Graphic Card on a PowerPC based board, I need help and pointers on the type of the card and how to do it please?
09:06.26wols_bizhan: lspci
09:06.40Bert_2wols_: I know, I can't find it anywhere, but the MySQL guys found a package
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09:06.53peterrooneyMacGyverNL: when you sudo, root isn't allowed to connect to the X server without prior authorization
09:07.02ddaltonwell... /etc/init.d/rcS used to work, but it seems it won't with .25... am I doing something wrong? or is this correct?
09:07.08bizhanwols_ I heard I need some kind of the bios emulation?
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09:07.25MacGyverNLpeterrooney: I'm not sudoing into root though.
09:07.45wols_bizhan: you need a special BIOS file. that is nothing to do with debian howerver. normal IBM PC graphics card do not work on PPC Macs
09:08.02peterrooneyMacGyverNL: glassfish isn't allowed to connect to your X session either without authorization
09:08.06MacGyverNLI sudo into the glassfish user, which group usually authorises users to X?
09:08.06wols_ddalton: where did I say anything about /etc/init.d/rcS ?
09:08.21MacGyverNLOr is that too simple thinking?
09:08.37wols_MacGyverNL: too simple. google xauth magic-cookie
09:09.40ddaltonwols: why? I said it used to work for me, but doesn't with .25, is this a known bug? or am i doing stuff wrong?
09:10.13wols_ddalton: wrong. I told you to use /etc/rcS.d/ with a symlink back to /etc/init.d/
09:10.24MacGyverNLwols_: Will do, thank you.
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09:13.11ddaltonok, thanks. i'll do something like that, but will read up on sym links so I know whats going on. thanks.
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09:13.29wols_!sysvinit
09:13.29dpkgsomebody said sysvinit was zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz.  In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
09:13.33wols_read that
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09:15.18soulchildHi all,... in which file does GDM save the default session, that is set by user
09:15.53wols_soulchild: check your ~ for anything to do with gdm
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09:17.08soulchildwols_: nothing found
09:17.22icenine_it may be gconf
09:17.43icenine_look for gdm stuff in gconftool-2
09:17.44themillsoulchild: ~/.dmrc is the desktop standard location
09:18.04soulchildthemill: that's it, thank you
09:18.13Bert_2does anyone know a place where I can still find the debian sarge CD image(s) ?
09:18.25wols_Bert_2: I told you
09:18.29wols_also:
09:18.31wols_!sarge
09:18.31dpkgTen-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008.  Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  See also <oldstable>.
09:18.50wols_Bert_2: it's somewhere on cdimage.debian.org
09:18.53Bert_2wols_: yeah, I know it has already ended, but there are people who still have it, like I could still find mysql-server4.0
09:18.56themill!sarge iso
09:18.56dpkgwell, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1).  Previously, Woody.  Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/
09:19.09cast|lirright, am going to use
09:19.15wols_Bert_2: I long ago told you it's on sdn and I checked: it is
09:19.17cast|lirspits on putty
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09:19.46cast|lir"/etc/ipmasq/rules/C50dnat.rul" to do port forwarding, which i found in an examples dir!
09:19.47themillBert_2: we really really have to encourage "people who still have it" to understand that they have vulnerable machines and that it's now well beyond the time to upgrade to etch.
09:19.50cast|lirtries
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09:20.27Bert_2themill: why wouldn't people want to use etch, debian etch is very very nice, I'm kind of forced to use sarge or some other old distro now...
09:20.46themillBert_2: why?
09:21.10wols_themill: shitty php script that will root his box sooner or later
09:21.18wols_or rather get his box rooted sooner or later
09:21.27Bert_2themill: game server that only runs on mysql4.0, and putting an old mysql4.0 package on a newer distro kind of blows the system with damn irratating dependencies
09:21.39wols_Bert_2: imho what you try is an excercise in suicide sooner or later
09:21.54Bert_2wols_: who knows :P
09:21.58themillBert_2: are you sure if doesn't work under mysql5? I've never seen anything that didn't.
09:22.27themillBert_2: And are you prepared to do your own security support for your kernel, web server, php, ... that's actually a hell of a lot of work.
09:22.34Bert_2themill: I have talked with a lot of persons, and it apparently isn't possible to get it working, it sometimes even blows up with certain versions of mysql4.0
09:23.02Bert_2themill: the gameserver will only be used inside my home network so I don't have a lot of security issues going on
09:23.06wols_Bert_2: it probably wants php4 too?
09:23.15Bert_2wols_: nope, no php
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09:24.03soulchildhow to scroll up with irssi ?
09:24.19themillBert_2: My attitude to that would be that anything that hasn't had enough love from its own developers to work on mysql5 is not something that I want running on my machines. I take the same attitude to things that don't run under php5. If it's abandonware, then it probably is full of its own security holes as well as those in rest of the system.
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09:24.53MacGyverNLwols_: Considering I'm doing this on the local machine of a VMWare guest instance, wouldn't "xhost +local:" be sufficient?
09:25.01hoxu!xhost
09:25.02dpkgi guess xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html  <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>.  See also <xhost +localhost>.
09:25.17Bert_2wols_ themill: check http://tinyurl.com/6lzpnv and http://tinyurl.com/5ldjoa
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09:26.28themillBert_2: run and hide. There's not a single one of those distros that's still supported.
09:26.38themillBert_2: hang on... centos 4 is
09:26.47wols_!xhost
09:26.47dpkgi heard xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html  <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>.  See also <xhost +localhost>.
09:27.07wols_MacGyverNL: any more questions? it's EVIL!
09:27.21Bert_2themill: that's because running this software is in the "gray-zone"
09:27.25MacGyverNLwols_: yeah, yeah. I get the point. Even in my case I shouldn't do it.
09:27.35MacGyverNLEvil = bad.
09:29.37moshiisoulchild: page up
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09:34.04cast|lirerm. so i've added the line 'forward tcp 2207 10.0.0.7 22' to /etc/ipmasq/rules/C50dnat.rul and restarted ipmasq, though sshing to -p 2207 gateway gets me a time out, any ideas how else to approach this port forwarding?
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09:34.55cast|lirthere's a package for port forwarding that i've used with ipmasq before, i just can't remember the name!
09:35.06wols_cast|lir:
09:35.06wols_/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 35900 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:5900
09:35.10wols_/sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -i ppp0 -d 192.168.1.2 --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT
09:35.18wols_cast|lir: if you use 2 lines like this, it will work
09:35.42wols_I put it in Z99portforward.rul
09:36.00cast|lirlooks closely at C50dnat.rul
09:36.15wols_cast|lir: use Z99 instead
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09:48.46cast|lirnot having any luck, these are the modified rules
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09:49.45cast|lirin the second rule, is -d the server-behind-gateway or gateway ip?
09:49.45wols_show the iptabls settings please. pastebin
09:49.49cast|lirnods
09:50.10cast|lirjust iptables -L -v?
09:50.11wols_server behind gateway
09:50.23wols_and 2nd time -t nat
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09:53.11cast|lirhttp://rafb.net/p/Vdc6hj98.html ssh gateway then ssh 10.0.0.7 from the gateway works fine, so that part of connectivity works
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09:54.27joschanHi. I changed a password for a user with "usermod -p newpass uname". It results that the password is written cleartext to /etc/shadow - can someone explain to me?
09:54.44joschanAll the other passwords there are envrypted
09:55.15cast|lir<PROTECTED>
09:55.47joschani will better use "passwd uname"
09:56.01cast|lir[man usermod] so it's doing what you're telling it. if you want to change a user passwd..ja, just use passwd
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10:09.00petemchyppias: which installer did you use?
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10:10.00hyppiaspetemc: i just installed from a USB stick... put an iso on the stick and ran it...
10:10.06petemcwhich iso
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10:10.34petemcive installed lenny a few times the past fews days, i have that directory structure
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10:10.39MacGyverNLI'm using Ubuntu instructions here to perform a glassfish install on Debian (hey, it's close enough), however, I need to change ownership of a set of files to the "admin" group. Iirc, Debian doesn't have a group with this name. Is "adm" the corresponding group?
10:10.55petemcMacGyverNL: the adm group is just for reading logs
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10:14.18MacGyverNLHmm.
10:14.48MacGyverNL"To be able to traverse the glassfish directory without root privileges, you must change the group of all files in the glassfish directory from nogroup to admin."
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10:18.28tarzeausomeone got solaris sparc iso images online?
10:18.30tarzeau!qotd0
10:18.31dpkgrumour has it, qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone:  if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i?
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10:27.06Nylegood morning
10:28.34macoute_its afternoon here :P
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10:29.16Sysctl___what can i do to inspect the package contents of some package in apt?
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10:29.51Sysctl___ie. i need to double check whether the latest version of mysql on debian etch 64 bit has nbdb in it
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10:33.01Nyleman i feel sick
10:33.09Nyleohhhh boy
10:33.25Sysctl___sorry to hear that Nyle
10:33.28SparFuxme too. Due to system crashes.
10:33.38Nylenbdb
10:33.42Nylethink soo
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10:34.06NyleSysctl___, umm... dpkg -L to list files, dpkg -l.. you know read the dpkg nampage
10:34.07Sysctl___sorry?
10:34.21NyleSysctl___, or extract the deb with ar and look into it
10:34.38mrAZ3k!nvidia-oneliner
10:34.38dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
10:34.49Sysctl___i see, but no other specific apt command, eh?
10:35.00Nyleto list the files in a package?
10:35.03Nyledpkg -L
10:35.04dpkgNyle: I don't know, could you explain it?
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10:35.16Nyle!search
10:35.17dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
10:35.30Sysctl___one sec, looking
10:35.55NyleSparFux, nausea, heartburn. stomach cramps
10:36.00Nyleits an every morning thing for me :(
10:36.05o2T7Sysctl___: apt-file too
10:36.13Nyleo2T7, its mentioned in the factoid
10:36.18SparFuxnyle: That's strange. How come?
10:36.22o2T7oops, ok
10:36.42NyleSparFux, dunno, 3 times hospitalized over few years, still no cure only they know its gastrointentinal stuff
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10:37.21Nylemilk is the universal remedy!
10:37.37ay^mmm.. milk.. argharghagrhgar..
10:37.44o2T7Nyle: Here there was a virus around, perhaps you're more sensible to some kind of gastrointestinal virus (just a possibility, i'm not a doctor ;)
10:38.07Nyleits a side effect of debian
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10:38.11Nylemakes me suicidal in the mornings
10:38.11ay^hehe
10:38.18Nyleonly in the mornings though ;)
10:38.59ay^hehe, so.. what time is it over where you at? ;)
10:39.11Sysctl___Nyle, you dont suppose you might have allegies to something? perhaps to the type of detergent you use or something you regularily eat?
10:39.21ay^like food?
10:39.31o2T7Nyle: make cron apt-get clean in the mornings
10:39.51Nyle6:40am
10:40.10ay^I guess thats the evening
10:40.13NyleSysctl___, #debian-offtopic
10:40.21Sysctl___lol, ok, sorrz
10:40.32SparFuxNyle: has any physician checked your ears?
10:40.41Nyle!ot
10:40.42dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
10:41.05SparFuxanyway.
10:43.38dbmoodbhi ah on debian lenny tspc isnt working for me...
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10:43.54dbmoodbwhere as on etch it works perfectly ..
10:44.04Nyle!tspc
10:44.20dbmoodbis this part of lenny's ipv6 problems (which i seem to be a victim of).
10:44.32dbmoodbNyle: i'm going to check the bug reports now
10:44.41Nyletry that
10:45.13Nyle!nyeet
10:45.17Nyledpkg, hi
10:45.20dpkgNyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins?
10:45.21dpkgque tal
10:45.25Nyledpkg, ping
10:45.26dpkgpong
10:45.43dbmoodboh scrap that its now working
10:45.43Nyle!tspc
10:45.50Nylec'mon
10:46.05Nyle!listvals tspc
10:46.07dpkgFactoid search of 'tspc' by value (1): hehi.
10:46.17dbmoodb.... perhaps not it is rather odd here...
10:46.37Nyledbmoodb, I know next to nothing about ipv6
10:46.48Nylenothing more than a tunnel broker and thats it
10:46.53Nylegoipv6.net
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10:47.52dbmoodbsure sure. tspc is now working which is nice tho
10:48.15MacGyverNLWhen shutting down my system, I always get "CIFS VFS: server not responding"
10:48.48MacGyverNLI've got a CIFS mount in /etc/fstab which works fine.
10:48.51Nylegoogle the error messsage
10:48.58Nylesee what you can find out about it
10:49.26Superbarttis it possible to use software raid mirror and assign 1 hotspare in case a disk fails?
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10:52.13dbmoodbkuroneko: Superbartt raid 1 ? ......... with a cron job ?
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10:55.07MacGyverNLHmm. Same happens for some people in Ubuntu. Seem to be the network shutdown script running *before* cifs mount is unmounted.
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10:55.58slxixMacGyverNL: any bug reports written on that yet?
10:56.09MacGyverNLNot sure, where can I check?
10:56.26slxixhttp://bugs.debian.org i think
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10:58.22MacGyverNLYeah, seems to be there.
10:58.31MacGyverNLhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477498#4
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11:00.08MacGyverNLProblem is, unless I'm mistaken, all processes must be killed before unmounting volumes, right? But CIFS must remain running to unmount the CIFS volume.
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11:02.12slxixhmm.. have we been doing it wrong for all this time?
11:02.40dbmoodbMacGyverNL: even network volumes ?
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11:05.01dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of '7/debconf' returned no results.
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11:06.29FuturityHi Everyone
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11:07.02Futurityi'm a bit new to Debian, (more a openSuse user for my sins)
11:07.21Futuritybut have inherited a Debian server and am looking to learn how to use it ;)
11:07.33Futuritythe thing is that it has a bare minimum install
11:07.35dbmoodbFuturity: its debian what is the problem ? apt-get update .. etc.
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11:07.51Futurityand I'm wondering how I can install additional software
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11:08.04Futuritythe CDROM doesn't work unfortunately and its a pure SCSI machine :(
11:08.08dbmoodb!apt
11:08.09dpkgi heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache>
11:08.14slxixwow. looks like you need to unmount the network share before the network goes down, and before all the processes are killed..
11:08.24dbmoodbFuturity: add a mirror ?
11:08.35tarzeau!popcon
11:08.36dpkgfrom memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
11:08.40MacGyverNLslxix: When the cifs is mounted through fstab, then yes, killing the cifs daemon before attempting to unmount the cifs volume seems wrong. I found a script which works around this by shutting down and killing all processes using the CIFS filesystems and unmounts them. Needs to be symlinked at /etc/rc(0|6).d/K19umountcifs
11:08.45FuturityMirror / repository would be good
11:08.55dbmoodb!mirror
11:08.56dpkgsomebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
11:08.57Futuritybut how is that don't in Debian
11:09.02slxixMacGyverNL: so you're all good now?
11:09.07Futuritywith openSuse it's simply a yast2 task
11:09.08MacGyverNLIf this script works, yeah.
11:09.16MacGyverNLBut still, it's not pretty.
11:09.24Futurityin Debian, I'm managed to get it networked etc
11:09.29dbmoodbFuturity: synaptic, apt aptitude .... you just add the respective repo to /etc/apt/sources.list
11:09.38Futuritybut I'm still struggling with the different locations for config files
11:09.40slxixMacGyverNL: what would you consider pretty? :)
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11:09.49dbmoodbFuturity: its not that different is it ?
11:09.55Futuritycool
11:10.18Futurityi've perhaps got a bit to used to the suse "Control Panel" in my old age :(
11:10.29Futuritylet me power it all up
11:10.37dbmoodbFuturity: perhaps. i prefer apt-get and debs to rpms
11:10.45Futuritydoes Debian has an online repository i could use?
11:11.01dbmoodbyes Futurity man
11:11.07dbmoodb!mirror
11:11.08dpkgmethinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
11:11.13dbmoodbclick and read please
11:11.44MacGyverNLslxix: I would consider pretty installing such a shutdown script automatically when samba is installed, I think.
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11:11.52MacGyverNLI mean, it's still a bug.
11:12.03slxixFuturity: i use aptitude to install/remove all my packages.  (i think synaptic is also supported pretty well?)
11:12.11MacGyverNLNot sure if it's only a bug in Debian and derivatives.
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11:12.39slxixMacGyverNL: but it's only a problem if you put it in /etc/fstab, right?
11:13.18MacGyverNLYes, only occurs then.
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11:14.43slxixsounds to me like samba should adopt that program and everyone use it for shutting down. :)
11:15.47microtuxhi
11:15.56FuturityThanks for the help
11:16.01Futurityi'll go try it all now ;)
11:16.12microtuxdoes any one tried to run rtlinux on debian etch ?
11:16.38slxix!anyone
11:16.38dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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11:17.27Nyleshapoopy
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11:17.58microtuxok ok
11:18.12microtuxhow may i run rtlinux on etch ?
11:18.19microtuxcan
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11:18.26Nyle!rtlinux
11:18.26dpkgmethinks rtlinux is "hard real-time operating system that handles time-critical tasks and runs Linux as its lowest priority execution thread. In RTLinux, a small hard-realtime kernel shares one or more processors with standard Linux. This allows the system to run accurately timed applications to perform data acquisition, systems control and robotics, while still serving as a standard Linux workstation."  --from http://www.fsmlabs.com
11:18.32hsujzzz.
11:18.39hsujy is my 22 open when i have no ssh-server?!
11:18.51petemclsof -i :22
11:19.01Nylehey pete
11:19.02macoute_because you opened it for www, says my crystal ball
11:19.12slxixNyle: i don't think that blurb helped much at all. :)
11:19.18petemcyo
11:19.24Nyleit helped me a bit
11:19.26microtuxapt-get install rtlinux
11:19.28NyleI had no idea what rtlinux was
11:19.53Nylemicrotux, install the package and read the package documentation on /usr/share/doc/packagename
11:20.25microtuxNyle, ok thx
11:20.46hsujhow do i remove sshd for good?
11:20.55Nyleremove openssh-server
11:21.00hsujlong gone
11:21.08Nylethats it
11:21.16hsujstill 22 open
11:21.26Nylesudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop
11:21.36Nylethough it should have already...
11:21.47hsujinit script gone
11:21.51Nyleobviously
11:22.08petemcssh will keep connections open after its been stopped
11:22.18hsuji even restarted comp
11:22.21Nyleyes, yes it will
11:22.36hsuj<PROTECTED>
11:22.40hsujlmao
11:22.48petemcyou must be doing it wrong
11:22.54hsujwell
11:23.04hsuji closed all ports yesterday
11:23.09petemchow did you do that?
11:23.12hsujjust now i notice 22 open
11:23.20hsujuninstall everything
11:23.32petemcevidently not..
11:24.17hsuji killed the process
11:24.20hsujit did it
11:24.24petemcit seems you didnt
11:24.26hsujbut then
11:24.30hsujwtf?!
11:24.33Nyle!enter
11:24.34dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
11:25.55hsujwt u talkin bout
11:26.16Nylehoney bunches of oats
11:26.19Nylewith almonds
11:26.26Nyleyou?
11:26.34hsuju just doing it urself
11:26.54Nylebut I'm not asking for support ;)
11:26.54hsujhow sasd
11:26.54MacGyverNLhsuj: He's talking about netiquette, understanding, readability and intelligence.
11:27.01MacGyverNLYour sentences lack all of those.
11:27.23MacGyverNLA simple capital at the start and period at the end would make a world of difference.
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11:27.28Nylehsuj, I didn't mean to repremand you, merely to inform ofyou better way to compose yoru thoughts and try multple sentences on one line.
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11:27.37slxixmutters offtopic. ;)
11:27.44Nyleslxix, that was a song
11:27.48Nylehehe
11:27.53hsujhmm
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11:28.36Nyledamn, that was a fucked up typoo
11:28.43Nyles/ofyou/ you of /
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11:28.50slxixhsuj: look at the output of lsof
11:28.59beruicHi, I have a problem giving a user access to th asterisk console on an asterisk server. I have tried "setfacl -m u:roman:rx /usr/sbin/asterisk", but that gives me the error "setfacl: /usr/sbin/asterisk: Operation not supported". Any suggestions?
11:29.05hsujsays sshd
11:29.29slxix/usr/sbin/sshd ?
11:29.44petemcshouldnt give the full path to the binary
11:29.49hsujsshd    857 root    3u  IPv6 1535823       TCP *:ssh (LISTE
11:29.57hsujN)
11:30.09hsujthat was before i killed it
11:30.10petemchsuj: how did you uninstall the packages?
11:30.14hsujapt
11:30.24petemcbe more specific
11:30.34hsujapt-get remove openssh-server
11:30.47hsuj&& reboot
11:30.52slxixmy lsof gives me the full path
11:31.12petemcmine doesnt, on any box i have
11:31.26slxix*:ssh (LISTEN) at one point, but sshd has other files it opens.. :)
11:31.33petemchsuj: i would try doing it again
11:31.51hsujsaid not installed
11:32.00cast|lirhmm, this sshd takes forever to login, stalling on 'debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received' for a while :\
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11:32.21petemchsuj: something about what you're saying doesnt make sense, but you're not making it easy to help you by being so cagey
11:32.23wols_cast|lir: reverse DNS properly set up?
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11:32.39hsujwt doesn't make sense?
11:33.05cast|lirwols_: dns..we aint got no dns setup!
11:33.16cast|liris still fighting port forwarding
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11:34.09beruicHi, I have a problem giving a user access to th asterisk console on an asterisk server. I have tried "setfacl -m u:roman:rx /usr/sbin/asterisk", but that gives me the error "setfacl: /usr/sbin/asterisk: Operation not supported". Any suggestions? (Please write my name if you have some, so I hear the message. I'm researching like hell here.)
11:34.14pozicI am using anacron, but updatedb runs on the wrong moments. It should run when for example the screensaver is on or when the system is not being used. Is there a similar cron program that does that?
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11:35.29themillpozic: it's inconvenient I know... but it is niced down so you shouldn't suffer too much from it
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11:36.07slxixpozic: make a script that runs it and your screen saver at the same time? (bad fix.)
11:36.15Nyleguys, anyway to set process affinity?
11:36.34Nylelike.. an even 'nicer' application?
11:36.51Nylethat may allow you to limit a pid to a certain cpu
11:36.56Nyleor a cpu core
11:37.24themillpozic: you can also look at mlocate rather than (s)locate as it is supposed to update with much less thrashing
11:37.41OpenTokixNyle: taskset
11:37.42themillNyle: taskset
11:37.43pozicthemill: does mlocate also have slocate features?
11:37.49Nylethanks
11:38.02themillpozic: I believe so. Check the package description. It's only lenny/sid atm though
11:38.24OpenTokixNyle: in schedutils package
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11:38.37Nyleyes I found it, thank you
11:38.41pozicthemill: and completely deleting any locate package?
11:39.19themillpozic: yeah, it's run through alternatives. read the package description...
11:39.22pozicWell, that's documented, never mind.
11:39.25Nylewow, before compiz fusion I'd never used swap
11:39.27SparFuxOMG it turns out Xorg was crashing my system all the time!
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11:39.38Nylenow even with 1.5gb of ram on this machine, I'm swapping
11:39.42pozicthemill: right. Thanks, I will delete it when mlocate doesn't work.
11:40.17MacGyverNLSparFux: You're sure it's Xorg, not the video driver or anything?
11:40.30vrodicwhats up with the "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: pixman_format_supported_destination" on the unstable iceweasel?
11:40.52SparFuxMacGyver: Yes, the video driver, or more accurately: in case it doesn't crash anymore, it sure is the AGPMode and AGPFastWrite options!
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11:42.06SparFuxThe only option I keep so far is EnablePageFlip.
11:42.10MacGyverNLSo it's not, in fact, Xorg itself, rather the crappy driver for your video card?
11:42.23MacGyverNLYou wouldn't happen to be using an nVidia card?
11:42.29SparFuxMacGyver: Yes, it's an ATI X800 and the free driver is crap.
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11:43.00pozicAnd, is there a way s.t. when I press the scan button on my scanner that it it equivalent to pressing the Scan button in xsane?
11:43.07slxixi'm glad i chose not to get the nvidia card with this laptop. :P
11:43.27SparFuxNViduia is even more crap!
11:43.33SparFuxI hate video graphics cards, they suck!
11:43.40pozicslxix: that's Chinese import?
11:43.47Nyleintel onboard ftw
11:43.59slxixpozic: chinese? close...
11:44.15pozicslxix: you missed the joke.
11:44.47slxixmy laptop shipped from hong kong. :P
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11:54.03visofplease where can i find the testing repositories ?
11:54.19wols_same servers the etch repos are
11:54.23visofand the security repositories of them
11:54.24wols_!tell visof about testing
11:54.30wols_visof: same answer
11:54.39streuner!+tell visof -about sid faq
11:54.40dpkgtold visof about sid faq.
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11:58.08streunerdpkg, no sid faq http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurd if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
11:58.09dpkgI think you lost me on that one, streuner
11:58.22abrotmanhurt
11:58.26themillstreuner: s/hurd/hurt/
11:58.35streunerdpkg, no sid faq is <reply> http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
11:58.36dpkgokay, streuner
11:58.40visofwhere can i paste my sources.list?
11:58.45abrotman!paste
11:58.45dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:59.37visofhttp://rafb.net/p/GpIy0b92.html
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12:00.04visofi can't find xmonad
12:00.25streuner!find xmonad
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12:00.31themilllenny/sid only
12:00.32SparFuxaptitude search xmonad
12:00.42SparFuxaptitude show xmonad
12:00.46abrotmanvisof: packages.debian.org/xmonad
12:00.54abrotmanvisof: themill is saying it's not in etch
12:00.56SparFuxXmonad is THE window manager :-)
12:01.00visofwhat is lenny?
12:01.06abrotman!lenny
12:01.08dpkglenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars.  Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).  A <moving target>.
12:01.12visofhow can i install it
12:01.13visof?
12:01.29abrotmanlenny?
12:01.31visofhow can i add it
12:01.33abrotman!tell visof about etch->lenny
12:01.33streunervisof: How long do you run Debian?
12:01.35visofyeah
12:01.36themillvisof: if you have to ask, you probably don't want to do so
12:01.41dpkgDebian Search of 'xmonad' (3 of 7): (/usr/lib/xmonad-0.7/ghc-6.8.2/libHSxmonad-0.7_p.a) in libdevel/libghc6-xmonad-prof ;; (/usr/bin/xmonad, /usr/share/icons/xmonad.png, /usr/share/xsessions/xmonad.desktop) in x11/xmonad ;; (/usr/lib/xmonad-0.7/ghc-6.8.2/{HSxmonad-0.7.o|libHSxmonad-0.7.a}) in libdevel/libghc6-xmonad-dev.
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12:02.34streunervisof: follow the advice of abrotman, there is prolly a backport available, if NOT just /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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12:03.11visofdeb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main change it to  deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
12:03.13visof?
12:03.20visofor what?
12:03.44themillvisof: I think you should find out more about what you are getting yourself into before you actually do this though. (but yes, that's right)
12:03.45visofstreuner two weeks
12:03.47slxixi think upgrading from etch to lenny was amazingly easy. didn't need to mess with libc or anything. :)
12:04.02streunervisof: get some more experience first
12:04.20visofalso for security repositories too ?
12:04.29streunervisof: and comment line 5 and 6 in your /etc/apt/sources.list
12:05.14visofdeb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib should be deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
12:05.15visof?
12:05.43streunerno
12:05.58streunerdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
12:05.58streunerdeb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
12:06.18themillstreuner: I think he was asking about testing-security
12:06.19streuneryou already have the lines
12:06.41streuneryes, but we also gave him advice to use etch/stable?
12:06.54abrotmansome of us did ...
12:07.02themillstreuner: yeah... which he ignored
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12:07.55streunerabrotman: true
12:08.17abrotmanis to blame
12:08.27themilldpkg: blame abrotman
12:08.27dpkgblames wahooooo and abrotman for the end of culture as we know it
12:08.31visofplease can anyone paste the right sources.list for me ?
12:08.38visoffor my machine
12:08.41wols_!tell visof about sources.list
12:08.43wols_visof: no
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12:11.19visofhttp://rafb.net/p/E9v0wI87.html
12:11.23visofis this right?
12:11.35slxixflips a coin.
12:11.47streunerhehe slxix
12:12.09Johnramb00Kelly Family?
12:12.11visofis this stupidity?
12:12.33streunerignoring advice of people which using Debian in years? :-P
12:12.37slxixone flip per customer. :)
12:12.51visofi don't
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12:13.22visofstreuner really i don't know what should i do now
12:13.36jelly-homevisof: why do you want to run testing (lenny), and what seems to be the problem?
12:13.48streunersome WM isn't in etch
12:14.01visofyeah
12:14.03jelly-homeo.O
12:14.24visofand i want intermediate between old packages and new packages
12:14.28jelly-homevisof: use or create a backport instead.
12:14.34streunerthere are almost a billion WMs in etch/stable
12:14.56jelly-homevisof: that sources.list looks fine for a free lenny machine, btw
12:15.04streunerplus backports, plus <simple sid backport>
12:15.50themillfsvo simple...
12:16.20jelly-homevisof: however you might encounter more problems with testing than a simple lack of a single wm.
12:17.22visofalso the packages are old
12:17.32themillYou'd also need to backport ghc6
12:17.41themill!versionsmite visof
12:17.41dpkgupgrades visof to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>)
12:17.54Bushmillsbut having to fix things is a good motivation to learn about them
12:18.07slxixi regret upgrading from etch to lenny.
12:18.10streunerBushmills: not in this case
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12:18.28slxixi should have used etchnhalf or backports.
12:18.32abrotmanmaybe point him at another distro
12:18.45visofi don't have pidgin
12:18.54abrotmanit's called gaim .. and works fine
12:19.06visofi know gaim
12:19.10macoute_if you wan't your computer to just work easily, stick to the stable
12:19.18visofokay
12:19.56macoute_if you want to have new apps, consider ubuntu rather than testing, imho
12:19.59Bushmillsstreuner, being told is not a profound way of learning. many need to experience. and experiencing problems gives a much more intense, and i think at the end more rewarding learning experience.
12:20.14macoute_(if you are not a developer or otherwise interested in developing too)
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12:20.44jelly-homeBushmills: in other words, fools cannot learn from other people's mistakes
12:20.50visofwhat are the differencies bet Debian and Ubuntu ?
12:21.03themilldpkg: tell visof about why debian
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12:21.09streunerBushmills: sure, for people who using *nix some time, and maybe study cs, but not for people who using almost 2 weeks ;-)
12:21.21streunerBushmills: Debian*
12:21.23Bushmillsjelly-home: they may learn that there is a problem, but not why, or how to avoid/work around/fix it,
12:21.25abrotmanstreuner: you asked how long he's been using debian .. not *nix
12:21.30macoute_visof: ubuntu is maybe more new-user-friendly but not so free
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12:21.55MRKive used both and i agree with macoute_
12:22.00jelly-homemacoute_: not so free?
12:22.02macoute_visof: if you are a new user, choose stable (if you can live with some older apps) or ubuntu
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12:22.11macoute_jelly-home: the license policy is not so strict
12:22.16abrotmanjelly-home: more non-free bits in the main distro .. like nvidia etc
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12:22.32Bushmillsvisof: ubuntu comes with packages debian warns you of
12:22.35macoute_jelly-home: yeah, you can download and install it free as well of course :)
12:22.37streunermacoute_: we are in #debian, please respect that
12:22.42jelly-homeabrotman, macoute_. oh. okay.
12:22.53macoute_streuner: i do?
12:22.54themillfinds another reason to like aptitude: aptitude install mlocate locate_ slocate_
12:22.57slxixvisof: etch + backports (as jelly suggested) is the way i would go.
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12:23.22macoute_streuner: i just feel that just giving answer through a bot is not so user-friendly. sorry if its forbidden on this channel?
12:23.29streunermacoute_: no, you are point people to another distro
12:23.47jelly-homethemill: don't + and _ suffixes work in apt as well?
12:23.56themilljelly-home: not that I know of
12:23.58abrotmanexcept the package he wants(xmonad) isn't in etch-backports .. so he'd have to make his own .. which is likely more complicated than just using lenny
12:23.59macoute_streuner: no im not, and besides, thats not freedom
12:24.17abrotmanmacoute_: he's objecting to you "pimping" another distro
12:24.24Bushmillsvisof: better, ubuntu comes with versions of packages which are in debians view not fit yet for general use.
12:24.33themilljelly-home: no
12:24.38macoute_streuner: i use debian as  i like the freedom, if that also means that i must praise debian to anyone around, thats not freedom for me, isnt it?
12:24.41slxixabrotman: he mentioned that all the software is old. backports would fix that.
12:24.45visofah
12:24.48abrotmanslxix: if he makes his own ..
12:24.52macoute_backports are not for new users imo
12:25.03visofso Debian has more control than Ubuntu
12:25.10streunermacoute_: freedom has wide range, but that's not the point...
12:25.12themillvisof: self-control ...
12:25.19pozicWhen did macoute_ "pimped" some other distro?
12:25.20jelly-homeabrotman: he wasn't pimping it, and streuner should have warned me, not him.
12:25.28Bushmillsvisof: the release model of debian is more fine grained
12:25.29pozicpimp*
12:25.38abrotmangets the popcorn
12:25.49themillBushmills: debian actually has a release model...
12:26.01streunertakes a shower
12:26.02themillgets some more petrol
12:26.06Bushmillsthemill: yes, and the very same is more fine grained
12:26.08macoute_and besides, i wouldnt choose ubuntu
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12:26.24streunerthat's even less clever
12:26.36Bushmillsthemill: ah, get it....   "as opposed to"
12:26.38pozicSome things do work better in Ubuntu. What's the point of not telling that? Just like there will be things that work better in Debian (at least I hope so). :)
12:26.39streunerrecommend something which YOU want ever use
12:26.42themillBushmills: indeeed
12:26.44streunerdon't
12:26.47MRKdebian does not install stupid useless apps defaultly
12:26.48macoute_but still i can point someone to that direction if i feel that would be best for his purposes
12:26.56macoute_pozic: i agree completely
12:27.05Cokehi guys. I have a second screen defined in my Xorg.conf, it looks like a separate X without WM, how do I move windows there?
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12:27.12themillsuspects this discussion has more than run its course and should now move to #debian-offtopic
12:27.25macoute_streuner surely has a problem with me so i'll rest my case :)
12:27.27themillCoke: you need to use xinerama
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12:27.49Cokethemill: is there any way I can make any app go there? maybe with display option?
12:27.52streuneri don't have a problem with YOU, i have a problem if someone recommend another distro in #debian
12:28.03slxixi idle in #debian-offtopic.  come idle with me.  :)
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12:28.40themillCoke: it's probably :1.0 so you can "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" but you can't *move* a running program to a different display, unfortunately.
12:28.59Sysctl___eh, how do i enable experiemental packages in debian etch?
12:29.06Bushmillsstreuner: strictly speaking, it should be with the scope of "debian support" to say "there is a distribution which may suit you more"
12:29.11Bushmillswithin ...
12:29.15streunersysop4: you don't
12:29.21streunerSysctl___: you don't
12:29.28Cokethemill: ok.
12:29.28Sysctl___why not?
12:29.31themill!iyhtays Sysctl___
12:29.31dpkgSysctl___: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.
12:29.47themillSysctl___: plus, experimental is pegged against sid not etch
12:29.49slxixdidn't we just have the backport discussion?
12:29.50macoute_visof: ok. the best of all operating systems around is debian stable. you cant have other gods than it. install it and dont ever say anything negative about it. if you want, you can come here to praise it to other users, but if you notice in a week that you need newer apps, just forget your needs. debian, i love it!
12:29.52Sysctl___hehe, i just need mysql-server-5.1
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12:29.54Cokethemill: I try   DISPLAY=:1; xterm, but nothing appears on that screen.
12:29.59streunerSysctl___: because experiemental packages are only for unstable/sid
12:30.02themillCoke: no ;
12:30.02streunerusers*
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12:30.08Bushmillshehe... experiemental in etch, quite a few hops ...
12:30.14streunerhaha
12:30.35streunerread what aba said about (debconf), you'll never run any of them in future :-)
12:30.37visofmacoute poet!
12:30.43visofmacoute_  poet!
12:30.44themillSysctl___: if mysql doesn't think 5.1 is good enough for release, why on earth would you want to use it?
12:31.04Sysctl___good question, since they are already on 6.0
12:31.05Cokethemill: still no go
12:31.16Sysctl___as alpha
12:31.26Bushmillsehm... again .. strictly speaking, debian is a distribution, not an OS ... the OS is linux :)
12:31.42slxixBushmills: say what?
12:31.50pozicBushmills: GNU/Linux?
12:31.58wols_Bushmills: well..... it's a kernel :=
12:31.59abrotmanBushmills: or bsd .. or hurd
12:31.59pozicBushmills: (just joking)
12:32.05themillBushmills: not according to debian.org. Now please stop trying to drag us OT
12:32.17Bushmillseven when adopted os GNU OS, yes.
12:32.38Cokethemill: xterm -- -display 1   gives me "cannot open display 1", any way I can list the displays?
12:32.43rowAnyone know if Flash Media Streaming Server 3 installs fine on Debian Etch (32bit or 64bit, does not matter)?
12:32.47slxixcome join me in #debian-offtopic :P
12:32.58wols_row: ask adobe
12:33.06themillCoke: it's probably :1 again not just 1. But you should have got the same error from the previous commands too
12:33.22rowwols_: their site says red hat 4 so I am assuming I am going to get a stock answer.
12:33.25rowbut will do
12:33.40Cokethemill: -display :1  gives no error, but also no xterm on the second monitor
12:33.44wols_row: you get the same here. and some flames it's not FOSS :P
12:33.52Cokethemill: oh, there it was, just took slightly longer time
12:33.56themillCoke: you probably need to move your mouse over and place it
12:34.12rowwols_: yeah client wants it not me :P
12:34.50Cokethemill: AW, it's so simple, it's allocated "RightOf"
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12:35.25Cokethemill: hm, I move the mouse there, it shows up, but dragged applications do not
12:35.27Bushmillsrow: best places to ask questions about proprietary products are: the manufacturer, the vendor, or their support.
12:35.44Bushmillsas they should know their own products best
12:35.47themillCoke: as I said, you can't move apps from one screen to another like that
12:35.47Cokethemill: I'm gonna try a clone
12:35.59themillCoke: If you want that, you need xinerama (not clone)
12:36.00Cokethemill: but I can't start them either, says it can't use display :1
12:36.13Cokethemill: ah, clone is fine by me
12:36.30Cokethemill: restarting x
12:36.33themillCoke: clone is the same thing on both screens and probably not that useful
12:36.34themillffs
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12:37.21Bushmills!8ball will whatever row wants to run run on his system?
12:37.55dpkgUnsure.
12:37.55Cokethemill: any good howto's on how to make xinerama work?
12:37.56themill!xinerama
12:37.56dpkgxinerama is, like, where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html
12:38.13Cokethanks
12:38.20Bushmills!8ball will whatever row wants to run run on his clients' system?
12:38.49Bushmillssee, too difficult to answer
12:40.20xushii can't seem to find nvidia-kernel-common package. where can i install this from?
12:40.31abrotmanwhich version of debian?
12:40.42xushithe latest 4.0
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12:40.55xushithanks
12:40.56Cokethemill: oh, in serverflags, options xinerama 1
12:41.11Cokethemill: works fine, although the display on the second monitor is all jagged, but that might be some other problem
12:41.42themillCoke: good stuff
12:41.54xushiah, i had a typo...
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12:43.24xushistrange, then i don't know what the problem is. i'm running `m-a auto-install nvidia`, and it tells me that the build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed. The build log file is empty
12:43.25FuturityHi everyone, could anyone tell me how to mount a CD on Debian please
12:43.33Futurityit's a SCSI cdrom drive if that helps?
12:43.49abrotmanis it listed in your fstab ?
12:44.17RichiHdoes anyone know, off the top of their heads, if openssl/gnutls support compression and/or null encryption, i.e. unencrypted traffic?
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12:47.38xushii do have linux-headers-`uname -r` installed, so i'm not sure where the problem is. Can anyone assist me please if they have some spare time?
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12:48.26moodhugshi i just installed debian linux and it brought me to a login but the mouse (serial mouse) doesn't seem to be functioning
12:48.36moodhugshow do i fix it? ;p
12:48.59macoute_serial mouses has been beyond my knowledge for some years already :)
12:49.39xushiaha! finaly, some error output
12:50.04slxixmoodhugs: can you install gpm? :)
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12:50.52moodhugsi have no idea. can i?
12:50.58moodhugswhat's gpm?
12:51.04jelly-homemoodhugs: a graphical login prompt, or a text one?
12:51.07FuturityHi, i'm using "mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /tmp/cdrom"
12:51.13Futuritybut it says "no media"
12:51.18MRKgeneral purpose mouse
12:51.20Futurity/tmp/cdrom exists
12:51.20castdamn cp -l is fast...:D
12:51.46MRK@moodhugs:  try going to the console and get into SU
12:51.51Futurityin /etc/fstab /dev/scd0 is mounted to /media/cdrom0
12:51.52moodhugsit's a graphical login, i can log in but without mouse i have no idea how to do anything in this unfamiliar dsktop environment
12:52.04Futuritybut "mount -a" doesn't bring it up either :(
12:52.15moodhugsi can get a text login as root.
12:52.25MRK@moodhugs: try getting into root and install gpm
12:52.27xushihttp://rafb.net/p/ADPOjo61.html   this is the output of my build log for nvidia.. i was wondering if anyone can help please
12:52.46moodhugswhat's gpm and how will it help?
12:52.54MRKgeneral purpose mouse
12:53.01wols_moodhugs: a mouse for your text mode
12:53.42MacGyverNLTo be honest, I think he wants to get his serial mouse working in X. GPM won't help him there, will it?
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12:53.51MacGyverNLgpm*
12:53.54moodhugscan i just modify some x config fiel somewhere  and type serial? LOL
12:53.59abrotmanyou can use /dev/gpmdata in X
12:54.06MRKyeah but you can see if it auto-detected if you use gpm
12:54.07jelly-homeMacGyverNL: the repeater functionality might
12:54.18abrotman!serial mouse
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12:54.23abrotman!serialmouse
12:54.26abrotmanbah .. it's there somewhere
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12:54.34abrotmanbut i'm sure it's circa 1992 :)
12:54.55enoufFuturity: file -s /dev/scd0 says?
12:55.21moodhugswhere is X's config file stored anyway?
12:55.43MacGyverNLmoodhugs: Usually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, iirc.
12:55.53Bushmillsmoodhugs: take an educated guess
12:56.10Futurityenouf: output = "writable, no read permission"
12:56.14Futurityvery strange
12:56.25slxixmoodhugs: start with getting gpm to have your mouse work in textmode. then make it use gpmdata. then see if X automagically detects it. if not, add it to your xorg.conf.
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12:56.53Cokethemill: I have both a modes definition my display subsection display and metamodes, yet the X log tells me my modes are wrong and uses nvidia-auto-select instead. How do I tell it what mode to use?
12:57.02moodhugsokay there's a InputDevice section with Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" i'm guessing i change that to soemthing? lol
12:57.12slxixgpm has a very nice configuration utility. :)
12:57.13enoufFuturity: hrm, check wirth dmesg, be sure that optical drive is the correct /dev/name - also, modprobe sr_mod
12:57.23Cokethemill: nevermind. found it. some program has written duplicate display sections :)
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12:57.42jelly-homemoodhugs: those are defaults. try #xorg, they might have a clue
12:57.50CokeDOH
12:57.55moodhugsokay thanks
12:58.01Bushmillsmoodhugs: very likely.  wrong protocol often manifests as jerky movement. wrong device as dead mouse
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12:59.14slxixgpmdata uses a certain protocol. i don't remember which one it is.
12:59.21slxixthe docs will tell you.
12:59.44abrotmanyou have to configure gpm to use the /dev/ttyS0 or whichever .. and then tell X to use /dev/gpmdata
12:59.52enoufFuturity: is that an AudioCD?
12:59.58moodhugsyeah i think i found the right doc. "Microsoft" is probably the protocol
13:00.12liableits a protocol?
13:00.27moodhugshttp://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse4.html says so
13:00.34Bushmillsabrotman: not /dev/input/mice ?
13:01.01abrotmanhe can .. if it works with serial mice .. i've only used it wtih ps2/usb
13:01.14abrotmanmoodhugs: are you using sarge ?
13:01.16slxixi've used gpm with serial mice.
13:01.22abrotmanthat's nto the question
13:01.30abrotmanwhich device .. /dev/input/mice .. or /dev/ttyS0
13:01.35abrotmanor try them both
13:01.40slxixoh. me not know.
13:01.47abrotman/dev/input/mice would be preferred
13:02.03abrotmanheh .. i have a serial mouse around here somewhere .. i could try it
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13:02.46pozicIt's /dev/ttyS0.
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13:03.11abrotmanbut /dev/input/mice is supposed to be the aggregate of all mice IIRC
13:03.15Futurityenouf: data cd
13:03.17pozicAt least it was a year ago.
13:03.19xushiargh, here is another update with latest update of gcc etc.. it sitll wont compile. http://rafb.net/p/gHMvGS30.html
13:03.23xushiwhat's going wrong here? :(
13:03.24enoufFuturity: anyway; if it's a data cd, you would just 'mount /media/cdrom0' (ls -l /media/cdrom0 to make sure it exists), or mount it anywhere, but then you need to pass /dev/name as well, otherwise, for an ISO, use mount -t iso9660 -o loop /dev/name /mnt/point (modprobe loop)
13:03.34Futurityok modprobe sr_mod returns nothing
13:03.42Futuritydmesg does see the cdrom drive
13:03.45enoufFuturity: that means successful
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13:03.57enoufas /dev/what?
13:03.58moodhugsthanks. that worked, =) mouse enabled =D
13:04.24Futurityit says "sr0: scsi3-mmc drive:14x/32x cd/rw........", "Uniform cd-rom driver Rev: 3.20"
13:04.26enoufFuturity: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sr0
13:04.31slxixmoodhugs: which device does it use? ;)
13:04.48Futurity"sr 2:0:5:0: Attached SCSI CD-ROM sr0"
13:04.55enoufFuturity: ok, well, scd0 is usually a symlink to sr0 or vice-versa
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13:06.06enoufFuturity: possible it's a multisession cd?
13:06.16Futurityenouf "mount /media/cdrom0" also returns "no media found"
13:06.32trumpenI need to compile the latest drivers for a dvb-t card. Could this make my debian etch less stable?
13:06.40enoufFuturity: cat /proc/version
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13:07.06Ergo^hello
13:07.20Ergo^im having trouble with mysql install on lenny
13:07.30Ergo^/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory - i tried purging etc.
13:07.35Futurityenouf: sorry about the elay in responding
13:07.40themillxushi: you are grabbing hte nvidia source from sid not etch, aren't you?
13:07.41Ergo^why it asks for something that shouldnt be there ?
13:07.47enoufFuturity: it's ok
13:07.47Futuritythe Debian box is command line only on a different terminal ;)
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13:08.17jaggz-what's a good image viewer which has some general editing capabilities like cropping/rotating?
13:08.21xushithemill: i'm not sure.. my source.list has this: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
13:08.26jaggz-I'm looking for something convenient like IrfanView
13:08.33xushiand also security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free
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13:08.53themillxushi: that would probably be why... the nvidia module probably can't compile against the newer kernel
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13:09.02moodhugsslxix:  i used /dev/ttyS0
13:09.09xushithemill: hmm, so i should roll back the kernel? is there an easy way?
13:09.11Bushmillsjaggz-: xv has conversion, zooming, filtering, color editor but is non-free shareware.
13:09.17themillxushi: where's your 2.6.24 kernel from? backports.org?
13:09.30xushithemill: i think it's from testing
13:09.40xushiftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
13:09.40enoufjaggz-: not sure it edits at all, but gview maybe
13:10.06Bushmillsoh, rotation too of course
13:10.07enoufjaggz-: oh crap, that's not it .. one sec
13:10.25Futurityenouf: "udevinfo...." returns sensible looking info like cdrom model etc
13:10.34themillxushi: hmm... you could try grabbing the source package from sid and backporting the rest of the nvidia stuff. nfc if it will work though
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13:11.01jaggz-kview seems to work
13:11.06xushithemill: am i on sid right now?
13:11.11Futurityenouf: "cat /proc/version" returns "Linux 2.6.18-6-686...... Debian 4.1.1-21"
13:11.14jaggz-I'm using kde .. and that seems good so far
13:11.24enoufFuturity: makes sense, try another CD
13:11.27jaggz-oh yeah.. xv.. forgot about that one :)
13:11.30Futurityok cool
13:11.31themillxushi: no idea at all given what you have in your sources.list. Probably not though.
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13:11.58themillxushi: cat /etc/debian_version ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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13:12.22enoufjaggz-: i can't recall the name of it - .. and it's installed too :-/
13:12.46themilljaggz-: kuickshow
13:12.54stewErgo^: you have sarge compatibility on, so it is trying to write to /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf; however /etc/mysql/conf.d doesn't exist, so it can't create the file
13:13.08enoufjelly-home: knows the name though - but it is gtk, so maybe you don't want it
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13:13.15stewErgo^: you might file a bug saying that the conf.d directory should be automatically created in this case
13:13.16xushithemill: lenny/sid  libc6 2.7-10
13:13.18jaggz-I'll try it, thanks
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13:13.56Bushmillsjaggz-: showimg can do that too
13:13.58themillxushi: so you're currently running lenny it would seem.
13:14.00Ergo^stev i overcome it by creating that empty file
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13:14.18xushiugh, what a mess
13:14.49stewErgo^: do you need sarge compatibility?
13:14.55xushiill try rebooting into another kernel. afaik there was another one in the list
13:15.04xushi2.6.18-6
13:15.17Ergo^stew:  no im on lenny
13:15.34xushiis there a page which explains all these names? sarge, etch, lenny, sid, etc..
13:15.53wols_xushi: simply characters from toy story
13:16.06xushihehe
13:16.07wols_!tell xushi about toy story
13:16.41Futurityenouf: I get loads of dump trace up the screen
13:16.47Futurityinitially looks like it'll work
13:16.53Futurityi.e. light on the cdrom
13:17.24enoufFuturity: hrm
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13:17.58Futurityenouf: trace ends with: Recovery SCB completes
13:18.02andy5635353_hi, how can i tell what i have installed with apt-get easily? i am using the terminal remotly
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13:18.08Futurityperhaps the scsi card is duff?
13:18.08F1r3_B1rdwassup
13:18.26enoufFuturity: maybe, i really can't say :-/
13:18.38xushithemill: thanks for the help. at least now i know that this error means the kernel is too new for nvidia drivers :)
13:18.51Bushmillsandy5635353_:   dpkg -l
13:18.56xushii think it seemed to work on the older kernel.. i just have to find a way now to make it auto load this one isntead of the latest one from grub
13:19.01enoufFuturity: maybe the drive went tits up?
13:19.05kowaniowefax requires .ps or .pdf file. My source doc is created with Abiword. How to convert its .abw file to .ps or .pdf?
13:19.14slxixwols_: is it true that sid will always be unstable, or did i misunderstand something?
13:19.15andy5635353_thanks bushmills, thats great
13:19.19enoufFuturity: does it need to be terminated?
13:19.31andy5635353_can i order it bu
13:19.34andy5635353_by date?
13:19.42wols_slxix: it is true
13:19.47jelly-homekowaniow: printing to file usually generates .ps with unix apps
13:19.54Bushmillsandy5635353_: check your  /var/log/dpkg.log
13:20.00andy5635353_cool
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13:20.09kowaniowjelly-home: thks, will try that.'
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13:20.39opoftheuniversechattr wont work it changes the original file
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13:20.48petemcopoftheuniverse: whats removing it?
13:20.56enoufxushi: you can do that a few ways. either alter the 'default  0'  to be whatever number in the order the kernel you want to load is, or do like i do, just copy / paste the correct order :-p
13:21.13xisleI'd like to submit a couple of patches for a debian package.  Is there a proper way to do this or should I just mail them to the maintainer?
13:21.14Futuritytermination should be fairly easy to find out
13:21.16xushiill get to it in a sec =D
13:21.27Futurityenouf: i'll check if its terminated
13:21.29xushibrb, thanks for the help.. got to go get lunch
13:21.35opoftheuniversepetemc: an updater for a control panel
13:21.43opoftheuniversepetemc: it has root privilages
13:21.50Futurityenouf: it certainly can be seen so surely it must be terminated correctly?
13:21.53petemcopoftheuniverse: then i dont think theres anything you can do
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13:21.56enoufjelly-home: what the hell is the name of that small, image viewer, gtk that you told me about once?
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13:22.12enoufFuturity: i'd think so as well
13:22.14petemc!eog
13:22.15dpkgeog is probably Eye of Gnome and has `fast zooming and scrolling, while keeping memory usage constant.' Can get it at: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/eog or for looking at pr0n
13:23.05stewxisle: are they fixing bugs?  are the new features?
13:23.10enoufFuturity: see if anything meaningful comes from wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0
13:24.11enoufpetemc: if that was to me, nice try, but not the one i was thinking of
13:24.26Futurityenouf: I'm having to reboot it as the mount /media/cdrom0 has locked up etc console screen
13:24.48abrotmanshouldn't the patches go to the BTS either way .. either appended to the bug or filed as wishlist ?
13:24.52enoufyikes
13:24.55stewabrotman: yes
13:24.55xislestew: bugs, but not ones that have been recorded in the bug tracking system
13:25.00petemcenouf: it is, however, a small image viewer
13:25.13enoufpetemc: indeed
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13:25.25stewxisle: then report them with reportbug, and attach your patch to the but report.  reportbug will give you the option of tagging the new bug with 'patch'
13:25.37slxixi use feh for image viewing and gimp for manipulating.
13:26.55enoufpetemc: see, this is one of those cases where it would help me to recall it if i knew what the 4 or 5 letters used to make up it's name stand for
13:27.04Futurityenouf: hmm a poweroff, or even reboot -f doesn't reboot the machine
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13:27.23Futurityenouf: i can't even kill -9 the mount /media/cdrom0 process
13:27.23enoufFuturity: is this remote or something?
13:27.45Futurityenouf: nope this is a local machine (just not the one I'm typing on)
13:27.49enoufFuturity: try eject /dev/cdrom0
13:28.06petemcenouf: that sounds like a bit of a tautology :)
13:28.17enoufFuturity: better, sdparm --command=stop /dev/sr0
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13:28.35enoufpetemc: :-P
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13:28.40Futurityenouf: cd can't manually be ejected
13:29.48enoufrecalls the time i couldn't break out of that once when writing to (formatting / blanking) CDRW media
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13:30.41Bushmillsboggles at chattr which he believed to be ext2/3 specific but appears to function with jfs as well.
13:30.53enoufO_o
13:31.57Futurityenouf: hmm, "eject" and "sdparm" aren't in /bin /sbin /usr/bin or /use/sbin
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13:32.17teclo-hi there, what's again that chipset which is well supported in Linux ? The one in MSI USB/Wifi dongles ? zw1223 ??
13:32.40enoufFuturity: well sdparm would need to be installed, but you got a message back from eject
13:33.02Futurityenouf: i've heve briefly pressed the power button. the signal to shutdown was seen and warning given to all console screens, but no actual shutdown
13:33.07enoufFuturity: whereis sdparm, whereis eject
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13:33.40enoufFuturity: way to go ;-)
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13:34.19enoufFuturity: if you press and hold for 4 seconds or more, it should shutdown, but be prepared for fsck
13:34.29Futurityenouf: many thanks for your help on this one.  whereis returns nothing for both commands
13:34.40Futurityi can't install them as I need a cdrom to do that ;)
13:34.45enoufFuturity: are you root? use sudo?
13:34.56enoufwhy? no net?
13:35.10Futurityenouf: I'm root
13:35.30Futurityenouf: must just not be installed
13:35.37Futurityyes have network
13:35.46Futurityenouf: configured the network the other day
13:35.57enoufFuturity: well, sdparm and eject are their own pkgs it seems
13:36.01Futuritydo you know what packages i need for eject and sdparm?
13:36.24enoufsdparm: /usr/bin/sdparm
13:36.26enoufeject: /usr/bin/eject
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13:37.50andy5635353_where can i put fonts i want to install
13:37.59ancienttls -l eject, I'm not sure, but it makes me think of busybox and might just be cdrecord, reacting with eject when called.
13:38.47themilldpkg: tell andy5635353_ about install font
13:39.46Futurityenouf: ok, apt-get update fails
13:39.56xisledo people generally sign bug reports?
13:40.31Futurityenouf: "apt-get install eject" comes back with could not resolve 'cache'
13:40.50Futurityenouf: but i can resolve www.google.co.uk
13:40.52Futurityand ping it
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13:41.02stewFuturity: try running 'apt-get update'
13:41.35stewxisle: some do, some don't
13:41.43enoufFuturity: boy - this is snowballing, eh? did you ever reboot? or stop the mount process?
13:41.55Futuritystew: loads of errors and it says "Could not resolve 'cache'"
13:42.11stewFuturity: show us ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
13:42.15Futurityenouf: Nope it wouldn't let me reboot
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13:42.32Futurityreluctant to force a shutdown with the powerbutton held in for 4 seconds
13:42.53enoufFuturity: do you have magic sysrq setup?
13:42.57Futurityi'm typing this on another machine
13:43.14enouf!sysrq
13:43.14dpkgi guess sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt
13:43.22Futuritystew: the server in question only has console access
13:43.33stewFuturity: its not netwroked?
13:43.50Futurityenouf: sysrq? someone else setup this machine and just gave it to me you see :(
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13:44.17Futuritystew: it is networked, but i only have command line access
13:44.27stewFuturity: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx
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13:44.45Futuritystew: so should i just run /msg dpkg pastebin  ?
13:44.54stew!pastewithoutx
13:44.55dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven ...
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13:45.09enoufFuturity: well, since the keys work, you could echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger (followed by a 'u', then a 'b')   <--this is entirely up to you though
13:45.12Futuritystew: but how does that actually get to you?
13:45.31stewFuturity: after you paste it, you tell us the url
13:45.49Futuritystew: where will it paste? surely i need to setup a paste account online somewhere?
13:46.54jewardI installed vncserver and xtightvncviewer.  I ssh -Y in and can see and interact with the vnc session with xtightvncviewer, but the mouse doesn't work?
13:47.06stewFuturity: i recommend http://channels.debian.net/paste ; you don't need an account anywhere
13:47.38Futuritystew: it says /msg no such file or directory found
13:48.25enoufFuturity: the "/msg ..." things are meant for your irc client
13:48.37stewFuturity: "/msg dpkg pastebin" was a command for you to type into your irc client.  it was to get the bot named "dpkg" to tell you the information i had her dump to the channel when i typed "!pastewithoutx"
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13:51.05Futuritystew: I've run it in my xchat client.  it's said ">dpkg< pastebin". what is this trying to do again?
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13:51.47stewFuturity: i was hoping that you could actually show us the errors you are complaining about, so we'd have a better chance of giving you good help
13:51.59Futurityenouf: echo s > ...... gave "SysRq: Emergancy Sync", but it didn't prompt for me to enter anything let alone U then B, just gave me a rompt back :(
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13:52.28Futuritystew: i see. but my problem is that i have great difficulty getting the text to this machine
13:52.30enoufFuturity: that's correct
13:52.41Futuritythey are on different networks through different ISPs
13:52.55enoufFuturity: that's correct and expected behaviour
13:52.56stewFuturity: that's why i'm recommending you paste from the machine that actually has the errors
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13:53.54Futurityenouf: I've held in the power button for 4 second to force a shutdown
13:53.57enoufFuturity: well, since the keys work, you could echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger (followed by a 'u', then a 'b')   <--sorry, now "echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger" and echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
13:53.58jewardvncserver should work fine without X installed, right?
13:54.00Futuritybooting up again now ;)
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13:54.18Futurityenouf:  oh i see now
13:54.33enoufwow, irc is being a real bear for comm today :-p
13:54.34Futurityooops got really wound up and hard shut it down
13:55.02Futurityenouf: noted down for next time ;)
13:55.11Futurityenouf: ok so back to mounting the cdrom ;)
13:55.37Futurityenouf: actually lets get apt-get fixed first now its stably booted
13:55.43ronrmounting a cdrom... just put it on the floor and step on top of it :D
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13:56.39Hinata`Hi everyone, I'm trying to reactivate windows xp hard drive in my grub but I wanted to know what I must put in the grub configuration line instead of hd0,0 (windows HD is hdc1)
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13:57.44o2T7Hinata`: I guess hd3,0
13:57.45Futurityenouf: just gone into the SCSI bios for the CDROM drive and SCSI termination is enabled
13:57.56Futurityjust noticed that it has an option to boot from CDROM
13:58.06Futuritygoing to try a direct boot from CDrom brb
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13:58.30Hinata`o2T7: hd0,0 the first 0 is the number un my HD?
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14:00.02enoufHinata`: my hdc is hd1, because hda is hd0 and hdb is an optical drive
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14:00.29enoufso, hdc1 here is hd1,0
14:00.39enoufso, hdc1 here is (hd1,0)
14:00.46Hinata`ok...
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14:01.45Hinata`I'll try hd3,0
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14:02.42loca|hosthello all
14:03.04loca|hostis there any tool to choose wich mirror for my apt-get ? just like that one on the d-i
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14:06.27Hinata`:(
14:06.52Sysctl___i figured out that cron refuses to shut down, even kiilling it with -9 won't kill the proceses
14:06.54Sysctl___???
14:07.14Hinata`well that didn't worked ^^' grub told me that my hard drive don't exist
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14:07.37abrotmanloca|host: netselect-apt .. or apt-spy
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14:08.19abrotmanloca|host: you don't get to choose .. they both find the fastest one for you
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14:08.22o2T7Hinata`: Do you have one only hard disk?
14:09.09MacGyverNLI want the latest Debian-packaged version of several GStreamer packages (the version provided with Etch has a bug which I don't like). Can anyone point me to documentation on grabbing only a specific set of packages (preferably through synaptic) from Debian Unstable?
14:09.40stewMacGyverNL: you don't want to install packages dicrectly from unstable, you want to use a backport: /msg dpkg backports
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14:10.38MacGyverNLI searched backports.org. Turned up no hits. My search must be wrong?
14:11.10stewMacGyverNL: no, that isn't suprising.  it means that if you want to use gstreamer packages from unstable on etch, you will have to backport them yourself
14:13.52MacGyverNLSo I need to add a deb-src line for sid and follow the instructions in dpkg simple sid backport?
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14:20.35kienerii_usually my notebook runs 24/7, is there any possibility to slow down the fan or chance the cpu voltage to keep my notebook cool?
14:20.48kienerii_chance = change
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14:21.18OpenTokixkienerii_: getting som air under it usually helps ALOT
14:21.52liableand cleaning out the fluff
14:22.00liablemine is chockers atm
14:22.05liablemust clean
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14:22.29abrotmanliable: depends on the CPU for cpu scaling
14:22.32kienerii_OpenTokix, okay but there is no possibility by software?
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14:24.09OpenTokixkienerii_: not that I know off, maybe some speedstep control if its intel
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14:24.32OpenTokixkienerii_: http://rffr.de/acpi
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14:24.55Futurityenouf: Do you know if it's possible to copy the content of a CD / DVD to a hard disk and boot from that disk as if it was the CDROM
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14:25.08OpenTokixecho 600000 > scaling_setspeed; vill set the cpu to 600MHz
14:25.11Futurityenouf: I'm looking to do this to perform a complete reinstall
14:25.15MRKhello
14:25.39OpenTokixMRK: hello
14:25.41Futurityenouf: It looks like the CDROM drive just isn't reading data
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14:26.12Futurityenouf: So I'm looking to copy a DVD's worth of data over the network to a spare drive and boot from it as if it was booting from CD/DVD
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14:26.41fireba11Futurity: there are nice guides to boot isntaller of usb you know..
14:26.49enoufFuturity: it's not possible really to boot from an ISO with grub yet - but if i were you, i'd guess i'd try debootstrap or install using the USB key method
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14:27.24enoufFuturity: (note; grub2 is working on this functionality for booting ISOs, so i'm told)
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14:28.23Futurityenouf: the server is a dual PIII
14:28.45Futurityenouf: given it free and useful as is hace 8 SCSI hot swap bayes
14:29.46enoufnice
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14:31.41abrotmanFuturity: i've got a Dual PPro 200 you can have :)
14:32.15Futurityabrotman: I've no idea what features that has ;)
14:32.40Futurityabrotman: is the number of spindles I'm looking for not CPU speed as I'm doing mysql work
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14:33.40ampex2is it possible to create static routes that persists between reboots?
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14:33.57wols_sure. /etc/network/interfaces
14:34.11OpenTokixampex2: you can add up scripts to /etc/network/interfaces
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14:35.09abrotmanFuturity: i think it has 8 or 9 scsi slots
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14:35.45Futurityabrotman: to be honest this server is doing my head it
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14:35.57Futurityno CDROM boot support so it's a nightmare to ins tall anything
14:35.58abrotmanFuturity: we used to use it as a web test bed .. but the raid array is in degraded mode, and the alarm is way way too loud for me to work on while people are in the office
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14:36.52Futurityabrotman: where are you based though ;)
14:36.56abrotmanFuturity: the CD is broken? is there anything on the system at all ?
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14:37.12valipiluhalloo
14:37.23Futurityabrotman: right now Debian 4.1.1-21 base install
14:37.25abrotmanFuturity: nowhere near you :)
14:37.32Futurityabrotman:  LOL
14:37.32abrotmanFuturity: but you want to reinstall ?
14:37.38Futurityabrotman: yes
14:37.40MacGyverNLabrotman: So disable the alarm? (a)
14:37.46Futuritythis base install has nothing
14:37.52abrotmanMacGyverNL: it goes off as soon as the system starts
14:37.56abrotmanFuturity: so install more stuff ?
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14:38.05abrotmanwhy are you trying to reinstall ?
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14:38.58Futurityabrotman: when i run "apt-get update" i get "Could not resolve `cache`"
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14:39.23Futuritybut i can run "host ftp.uk.debian.org" fine
14:39.28abrotmanFuturity: can you paste your sources.list and the full output of `apt-get update` ?
14:39.32MacGyverNLIs it normal for apt-get update to hang at "99% [21 Sources bzip2 0]"?
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14:39.36Futurityi.e. the values in my /etc/apt/sources.list
14:40.04abrotmanMacGyverNL: sometimes .. hit ctrl-c and do it again
14:40.08Futurityabrotman:  All i have is console access. so cut and pasting is a nightmare
14:40.12abrotmanFuturity: what about aptitude update ?
14:40.15Futurityit's on a different LAN as well
14:40.20Futuritynot tried that
14:40.21abrotmanFuturity: you can use #flood if that's easier
14:40.25Futurityhow do i use that?
14:40.25abrotmanjust tell us before you use it
14:40.40abrotmanoh wait .. the machine has no IRC client .. grrr
14:40.44abrotman!pastebinpipe
14:40.49abrotman!pastepipe
14:40.57Futurityabrotman: it has basically nothing
14:40.59abrotman!pastebin pipe
14:41.00MacGyverNLRight, thanks. Here I was waiting for it to complete, unsure if it was normal :P
14:41.04abrotmanoh ffs
14:41.10Futuritythis irc client on a totally different machine on a different network
14:41.17Futurityonly connected via the internet
14:41.20abrotmanokay
14:41.45Futurityhmm ok let me try and get the output ;)
14:41.51Cifrahello everyone :)
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14:42.05abrotmanFuturity: did you try aptitude update ?
14:42.35MacGyverNLInstructions between http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port and "!dpkg simple sid backport" differ. Which to use?
14:43.34Futurityabrotman: exactly the same "could not resolve `cache`" errors with aptitude update
14:43.45Futuritygoing to dump output to a file and ssh to this machine ;)
14:43.52abrotmanok
14:44.08themillMacGyverNL: the URL you pasted shows how to change a package as well as backport it; dpkg only tells you how to backport it
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14:44.48Cifradoes anyone have a link to a guide how to get iceweasel 3
14:44.57themilldpkg: tell Cifra about ff3
14:45.10Futurityabrotman: How do i capture stderr as well as stdout to a file?
14:45.22Futurityabrotman: only capturign stdout right now :(
14:45.27MacGyverNLI'll just use the dpkg instructions then. Not interested in changing for the moment.
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14:46.18abrotmanFuturity: apt-get update &> file
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14:47.56abrotmanFuturity: FWIW .. you could try with debootstrap to reinstall
14:47.59abrotman!debootstrap
14:48.00dpkghmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>  Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System.  See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
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14:48.32Futurityabrotman: I'm ideally looking to take the drive with this working OS out of the machine before reinstalling
14:48.42abrotmanoh
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14:48.44Futurityhence why i'd love to copy the DVD to another drive
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14:48.51Futurityadn boot from that as if it were a dvd
14:49.01Futurityok i have those two files on this syste :)
14:49.10Futurityabrotman: how best for me to get them to you?
14:49.15abrotmanthere is another method of instalation called the hd-media
14:49.16abrotman!paste
14:49.17dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:49.23abrotmandpkg: you're kind of slow today
14:49.24dpkgabrotman: are you using Windows?
14:49.51Futurityabrotman: openSuse for my sins ;)
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14:51.31Futurityabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/7639
14:52.42abrotmanFuturity: let's try commenting out the last three sources .. just temporarily
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14:53.24abrotmanFuturity: oh .. do you have anything in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ ?
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14:56.16Futurityabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/7642
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14:56.35Futurityabrotman: let me check that
14:56.44Futurityabrotman: and comment out those lines
14:57.34Futurityabrotman: source.list.d is empty
14:59.22Futurityabrotman: same errors with the second repository commented out (well half the errors / same errors from the uk repository)
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14:59.44abrotmanFuturity: tried another mirror? like ftp.de.debian.org ?
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15:01.39jenocinquick ?, anyone tell me what packages has the mail command in it, missing from my system for some reason, running postfix for an mta
15:01.42Futurityabrotman: same errors "could not resolve `cache`"
15:01.45abrotmanAbsintheSyringe: /msg dpkg laptop .. and thinkwiki.org
15:01.58abrotman!find bin/mail etch
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15:02.06abrotman!tell jenocin about search
15:02.09Futurityi take it I should have just replaced the uk with de and left the debian directory on the end of the urls
15:02.29jenocin!find bin/mail etch
15:02.55FuturityBTW in XCHAT, is that an easy way of entering the person's name I am responding to? Currently i'm typing it each time i reply ;)
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15:03.11dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/mail' (9 of 43): (/usr/bin/mailp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/mailrm) in mail/masqmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailto) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/bin/mail.local) in net/ktalkd ;; (/usr/bin/mailsync) in mail/mailsync ;; (/usr/bin/mailleds) in mail/mailleds ;; (/usr/bin/mailstat) in mail/procmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailcheck) in mail/mailcheck ;; (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailto) in web/mailto.
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15:03.17abrotmanFuturity: abrot<tab>
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15:03.30abrotmanbah .. too many
15:03.31Futurityabrotman, testing 1 2 3
15:03.38abrotman!find bin/mail$ etch
15:03.44dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/mail' (1): (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils,mail/mailx.
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15:03.59Futurityabrotman, did this work (has a comma not a colon)
15:04.18abrotmanyes
15:04.23Futuritycool
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15:04.55Futurityabrotman, so it has this cache error regardless of the repository used :'(
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15:06.24abrotmanboo hiss
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15:08.02jelly-homeFuturity: env |grep http_proxy ?
15:08.18MacGyverNLWhen trying to backport from sid, I get the following error: "E: Build-Depends dependency for gstreamer0.10 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements"
15:08.24jelly-homeFuturity: or do you have a proxy set in your apt.conf?
15:08.28MacGyverNLCan I safely attempt to backport dpkg-dev as well?
15:08.31abrotmandoes the ISP use a proxy ?
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15:08.48jelly-homeabrotman: it's not the isp, it's his local configuration
15:09.07MacGyverNL(The dpkg-dev dependency requires version dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.13))
15:09.11Futurityjelly-home, I though you are right
15:09.13Sysctl___slightly off-topic: uh, anyone use sqlrelay? does it load balance like a mysql nbd cluster would, distributing inserts / updates / replaces across servers?
15:09.34Futurityjelly-home, i've just ftp'ed to the repository and can look around without any problems
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15:10.00Futurityjelly-home, i'm using ftp of cource, not http as specified in sources.list
15:11.02jelly-homeFuturity: however, you're not answering my questions.
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15:12.27Futurityjelly-home,  you're a star!
15:12.34Futuritywas a proxy in apt.conf
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15:12.51Futurityi'm inherited this system so god only knows what quirks are in place
15:12.55jelly-home!win Futurity
15:12.55dpkgCongratulations, Futurity! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
15:13.04FuturityLOL
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15:13.51abrotmanis pretty sure he wouldn't leave an installation in place from an 'inherited' system
15:13.56dustybincould anyone recommend a good terminal based newsreader?
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15:14.21Futurityjelly-home, Fantastic, i can even install stuff ;)
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15:14.31SpookyETHi, how do you replicate '^/dev/(?!console|null|zero).*' in extended posix?
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15:15.02mcquaidi want to run dpkg-reconfigure -a but it's failing early on one pkg.  is there a way to force it to continue? --force doesn't seem to help
15:15.15mcquaidi'd rather it just fail/skip that pkg and go on to the next
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15:15.56liablemcquaid: you can remove the set -e in that package
15:16.03dustybinwhy isnt pine newsreader in the debian packages?
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15:16.15themilldpkg: tell dustybin about pine
15:16.15liablemcquaid: why dont you actually paste the error to pastebot
15:16.25andy5635353_i am trying to add my user into the root group using "usermod -G root user" but it dont work
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15:16.49liablecan you do that?
15:17.09dustybininteresting, are there any good alternatives to pine?
15:17.26themilldustybin: reread that factoid...
15:17.31mcquaidwell i'm doing this from a chroot environment from a live cd. it's failing on acpid cause 'can't open /proc/acpi/event device or resource busy
15:17.33liabledustybin: yes, google can answer that
15:17.34dustybini did sir
15:17.36mcquaidevent doesn't exist
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15:17.51Ab3lhi
15:17.53mcquaidi'd just like it to skip acpi
15:18.12Ab3lthere's a way to fit a 2.6.23 kernel on a floppy
15:18.13Ab3l?
15:18.15rgrdustybin: if you want to use a real newsreader consider gnus running in emacs. Can then use same files in terminal modes and in gtk/X emacs too.
15:18.22liablemcquaid: well it would pay to actually state your real problem to start with.
15:18.38dustybinrgr: aye interesting
15:18.46dustybinlinus torvalds uses emacs and pine
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15:19.00mcquaidok system is totally borked. kernel won't boot, not even in recovery mode.  strangely, my old kernel which i know is good won't boot either
15:19.02dustybini might try this first
15:19.04dustybinapt-get -b source pine
15:19.19mcquaidin desperation i'd like to reconfigure all packages as I suspect it's not a kernel issue
15:19.22liablemcquaid: and how did it get into this state?
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15:20.00mcquaiddoes it really matter now? I just want to know if its possible for dpkg-reconfigure to fail gracefully and continue on to the next pkg
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15:20.10mcquaidhoping that might fix it,
15:20.15liablemcquaid: yes, it does matter.
15:20.21dustybini didnt realise you could compile the source as quick as this
15:20.39liablemcquaid: if we know how you fucked it, it could make life easier
15:20.39dustybindebian has turned into gentoo with: apt-get -b source
15:20.55liablemcquaid: dont be shy
15:21.55mcquaidnot a matter of being shy. just looking for methods to fix a system from a live cd, when recovery mode fails
15:22.11themill!gentoosmite dustybin
15:22.12dpkgspends 5 days recompiling dustybin, and when it's all done, dustybin runs 7% slower than previously
15:22.16liableso tell us whats fucking wrong
15:22.36mcquaidi was hoping dpkg-reconfigure would help. and i set up /dev/ sys/ for the chroot environ but must be doing something wrong
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15:23.16mcquaidi am the kern fails to boot about 10 secs in.  it seems to fail at my nic card.  disabled onboard nic, still fails (usually at cdrom detection)
15:23.19wols_mcquaid: maybe stop talking until you can paste the output of the bothced run
15:23.25liablemcquaid: paste some logs or something, otherwise, if you arent willing to say how you fucked it, then piss off and buy support somewhere
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15:24.10helowow... the xorg.conf file is pretty sparse in lenny... i guess most things are autodetected these days?
15:24.13Futurityif i have a base debian install with no X, can i simply add it by running "#apt-get install kdm kde-core"
15:24.14mcquaidok easy guys.  i think the question can one force dpkg-reconfigure to continue regardless of one particular pkg failing not an unreasonable quesiton.
15:24.17mcquaidthat's all i was asking
15:24.27Futurityi.e. will it drag in the X packages as dependancies?
15:24.28liableno
15:24.29themillmcquaid: you can bind mount /proc into the chroot too. But telling us more information would make your life much easier.
15:24.44themilldpkg: tell Futurity about install kde
15:25.17Futuritythemill, who is dpkg?
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15:25.30themilldpkg: bot
15:25.30dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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15:26.09themillFuturity: it's a highly trained hamster that we have working away ready to answer queries like "tell user about something".
15:26.26Futuritythemill, dpkg certainly didn't tell me anything about installing KDE :(
15:26.27helozombie hamster, iirc
15:26.33Futurityonto a base system i mean
15:26.40liablei am not a hampster!
15:27.19Futuritythemill, very neat idea
15:27.20themillFuturity: aptitude install $KDEPACKAGE where they are listed in the factoid dpkg just sent you.
15:27.32themill!cookie liable
15:27.34dpkgspins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... flw25... greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup
15:27.46themilloh... wrong cookie
15:27.55drwahli have a debian box with apache on it (for little more than sharing documents and programs with my friends). are there any packages that make monitoring open connections for apache more simple, or is grepping 'lsof' and apaches access.log the easiest way?
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15:28.30liabledrwahl: hmm, what do you mean?
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15:28.44Futuritythemil
15:28.50Futuritythemill, thanks for the info
15:29.03liabledrwahl: there are log monitoring apps
15:29.11Futuritythemill, as i have no X what-so-ever. which KDE package should i go for?
15:29.33drwahlliable: i guess maybe some web interface (or even CLI interface) that will spell out who is downloading from where, how long they have been downloading and maybe what % they are at
15:29.43themillFuturity: you also want to "aptitude install xorg" then
15:29.48Futuritythemill, plus i'm a debian newbie (know suse), so any useful application for kde / debina would be very useful
15:29.54Futuritycool
15:30.01Futuritythemill, many thanks :)
15:30.09themillFuturity: no worries
15:31.07rvsjoenhow do you change the default window manager from xcfe to e16 ?
15:31.13liabledrwahl: awstats maybe. there are others. but they are log parsers, not real time things
15:32.22drwahlliable: ok, i will check awstats out. maybe just an app that parses the logs will be enough too. thanks for the info
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15:32.41liabledrwahl: netstat gives an instant clue, but nothing other than connections stats
15:33.01liabledrwahl: logcheck is handy
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15:33.17drwahlliable: ya, i use netstat to check IF there is a connection, but that isn't always enough info
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15:36.33FuturityShould i have run "aptitude update" before running "aptitude install xorg"?  It seems to have installed ok though
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15:37.01vsd_should i do update-rc.d -f proftpd defaults?
15:37.05vsd_or without the -f?
15:37.32Ab3lthere's a way to fit a 2.6.23 kernel on a floppy
15:37.49Ab3lthere's a way to fit a 2.6.23 kernel on a floppy (strech it to 1.1mb )
15:38.11dana_goodFuturity: as a general practice, you should always aptitude update before you aptitude install
15:38.23Futurityooops
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15:39.07Futurityi have run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" but does aptitude use this data?
15:41.02enoufit does on newer versions, IIRC
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15:42.40exodoshi, is there a way to install 64bit kernel on 32bit debian using apt??
15:43.07exodosnow i have to download 64bit packages and install it manually, but I would like apt automatic updates functionality
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15:46.27wols_exodos: linux-image-2.6-amd64
15:46.33wols_that should be 64bit
15:46.42masushi all , can anybody give me an doc or link for "having nice fonts in X". Thanks .
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15:46.55masus!fonts
15:46.56wols_Ab3l: a floppy is 1.4MB by default
15:46.56dpkgwell, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html  or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis  Ask me about <install font>.
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15:47.05Nyle1.44!
15:47.15Nyle!floppy
15:47.16dpkgi heard etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny".
15:47.17SyLdoes anybody run apt-mirror?
15:47.20tyler7382i want to configure an ftp server to have normal login behaviour for users, and an anonymous account for one specific directory.
15:47.29Nyletyler7382, vsftpd
15:47.32wols_!telly syl about anyone
15:47.39tyler7382right now twoftpd works normally for users, but i don't know how to add anymous access for the one directory
15:47.48SyLwols_: sorry...
15:47.58tyler7382Nyle, is there a reason to use that over twoftpd?
15:48.06Nyle!vsftpd
15:48.07dpkghmm... vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ...
15:48.14NyleSmallR2002, minimal, secure, and very very good
15:48.21Nylesmall<comma>
15:48.24Nylegoddamn completion
15:48.32wols_as good as a ftpd can be that is
15:48.48Nylethe best of ftpd
15:48.51tyler7382okay, how do i set it up for anonymous access for the one directory
15:49.02Nyleread the documentation
15:49.06tyler7382it's not in apt-get by default
15:49.09Nyleyes it is
15:49.10tyler7382or it doesn't show up
15:49.12SyLI'm running "apt-mirror -c /var/spool/apt-mirror/" and getting this error "apt-mirror: invalid config file specified at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 101."
15:49.15Nyle!vsftpd etch
15:49.20Nyle!info vsftpd etch
15:49.25dpkgvsftpd: (The Very Secure FTP Daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 111 kB, Installed size: 408 kB
15:49.30wols_tyler7382: edit the config file. it's documented
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15:49.44tyler7382aptitude show vsftpd
15:49.44tyler7382No current or candidate version found for vsftpd
15:49.44tyler7382Package: vsftpd
15:49.44tyler7382State: not a real package
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15:50.06tyler7382i have the default sources
15:50.13tyler7382twoftpd is there, but not vsftpd
15:50.21wols_tyler7382: pastebin your sources.list
15:50.23jelly-hometyler7382: apt-cache policy vsftpd?
15:50.42masus!font guide
15:50.42dpkgfont guide is probably (temporarily) bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused:  http://www.ncee.net/shane/font_guide.txt (previously at http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt)
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15:50.50wols_!tell masus about selftell
15:50.51Nyle!tell masus -about selftell
15:50.53Nyledoh
15:51.06tyler7382http://pastebin.com/m55eb8a3
15:51.11tyler7382i haven't changed it
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15:51.21wols_!tell tyler7382 about sources.list
15:51.27tyler7382http://pastebin.com/m55eb8a3
15:51.29wols_tyler7382: put a proper debian http mirror in there
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15:51.34Nyleyou only have a cdrom source
15:51.36Nyleand security
15:51.39Nylewhich is not enough
15:51.42tyler7382oh
15:51.44tyler7382okay
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15:51.47tyler7382i haven't messed with it
15:51.54tyler7382i assumed i was using the normal mirrors
15:51.55masus!tell me about font guide
15:51.57wols_the install usually sets it up for you
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15:52.11jelly-homebuggy installer.
15:52.14Nyleyou need a deb http://ftp.<your two letter country code>.debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free
15:52.21wols_tyler7382: and please don't misuse your enter key so much. it's a lost cause with Nyle but you don't wanna follow his example
15:52.41Nylemasus, you can do /msg dpkg <keyword here>
15:52.50Nyle!tell masus -about dpkgbot
15:52.51tyler7382wols_, okay, sorry. is adding the line Nyle mentioned sufficient?
15:53.03wols_pretty much
15:53.21wols_tyler7382: and remove the dvd line
15:53.23Nyletyler7382, you can comment out the cdrom line
15:53.47tyler7382okay, so i added deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free
15:53.55Nylefor faster updating, you can also comment out any deb-src lines, unless you NEED source packages
15:54.07Nyletyler7382, looks good, aptitude update
15:54.12tyler7382okay, thank you
15:54.53tyler7382hm, gave me problems
15:55.06tyler7382Err http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages   404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]
15:55.21Zenoxraid5 is degraded upon reboot. /proc/mdstat shows that one disk isn't even considered even though it's in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.  mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows the disk "removed"... why isn't it in the array after reboot and how can i add it again?
15:57.10NyleGet:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release [86.4kB]
15:57.12Nyle...
15:57.19Nyleworks here
15:57.34Nyletry a diff mirror maybe or use a better dns server (no idea )
15:57.44tyler7382what if i use this instead:      deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
15:57.51themillit's on a round robin
15:57.54tyler7382what does etch mean?
15:57.55themilltyler7382: use etch not stable
15:58.03Nyleuse names not states
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15:58.36Nyleyou don't need a /debian there do yo/
15:58.37Nyle?
15:58.44NyleI don't have one and it works great here...
15:58.47tyler7382it worked with http. instead of ftp.
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15:59.03Nyleoh they musthave chaned it lately
15:59.05Nyle!mirrors
15:59.05dpkghmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
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15:59.24NyleGet:4 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/contrib Packages/DiffIndex [2023B]
15:59.26Nylemp[e
15:59.28Nylenope
15:59.34Nyleworks fine
15:59.52tyler7382well, it's working with http. and now vsftp shows up - thank you!
15:59.53Nylei didn't try http.us.debian.org but i have ftp and it seems to work
16:01.11masusThanks
16:01.29Nyle:)
16:01.37masus:P
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16:02.24Ab3lwols i know but i need space also for stage1 stage2 etc .P
16:02.50masusNyle have one question why is in linux by default the fonts so terrible ? is it a big problemto make nice fonts by default ?
16:03.07Nylemasus, there are lots of great fonts
16:03.17masusbut not default
16:03.20Nylemasus, I guess your fonts are not anti aliased and as such look very jagged edges and nasty?
16:03.23Nyleis that correct?
16:03.42masusNyle: There are anti aliased
16:03.54Nylemasus, you can enable hinting ALWAYS through dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
16:04.22Nylemasus, also depending on your WM or DM, you can also enable font smoothing/aliasing
16:04.33Nylemasus, its not hard to install good fonts in linux
16:04.42masus:)
16:04.46Nylemasus, apt-cache search xfotns|less
16:04.58masusNyle: Thank u ;)
16:05.04DeadFishMantends to like FreeType rendering better than Windows' these days... ^^
16:05.05Nylexfonts*
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16:05.45Dexter_Fhi
16:05.46Futuritydoes anyone know where sax2 is on debian?
16:05.54NyleI prefer these days Terminus 8point for console, and Trebuchet MS for regular fonts everywher eelse
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16:06.03Futurityit doesn't appear to be installed
16:06.05Nyle!where is it
16:06.07dpkgI think you lost me on that one, Nyle
16:06.15stewFuturity: apt-cache search sax2
16:06.29Nyle!tell Futurity -about search
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16:07.16Futuritystew: thanks
16:07.20Dexter_Fweird issue: moved deb to a sata disk yesterday, got all working fine. today I fire up the box and grub tells me: error 15. puzzling. well, so I boot a live cd, reinstall grub from a chroot, now I can boot the system but debian shares an oddity with the live system: keypresses are deleayed and eventually keys are stuck. i totally don't know what going on.
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16:07.49Futurityi take it sax2 is the way of setting up new resolutions in KDE on Debian?
16:08.14DeadFishManFuturity: Isn't that a SUSE-only utility?
16:08.15stewFuturity: no sax2 is a method of parsing xml serially
16:08.20Nylenever heard of sax2 doing that
16:08.47Futuritysax2 is a graphics resolution program (in suse anyway)
16:08.52DeadFishManFuturity: I think it stands for SUSE Advanced X Configurator or something along these lines...
16:08.58n3kl_Hey.  I am having a wierd issue with my audio on my laptop.  It seems to randomly work on boot and sometimes not.  Alsa sometimes detects the actual card, and other times, it comes up with this usb oss audio device that I don't think exists on my machine.  what could be the proble.
16:09.01Futurityis there a different graphics probe solution for debian?
16:09.24NyleFuturity, what card do you have?
16:09.27DeadFishManFuturity: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org from console
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16:09.56NyleFuturity, first try that, then if it doesn't work, try 'xrandr -q' on xterm and see if the mode you want is listed
16:10.12NyleFuturity, if you want a gui utility to chagne resolutions, try xrandr frontend 'grandr'
16:10.15stewFuturity: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
16:10.23Nylegtk based tool
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16:11.19JyZyXELhow do i find out what driver im using with X at the moment?
16:11.38Nylecheck /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:11.49Nylemaybe
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16:11.55stewdefinately
16:11.58adamaso I have a loop: for i in `find . -name *.grp` ;do echo $i; done   ...any files with a space in the name goes onto two lines. How to fix that?
16:12.00JyZyXELwhat line?
16:12.01DeadFishManKDE also has its own XRandR fron-end IIRC
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16:12.03JyZyXELi need some grep
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16:12.08DeadFishManCan't remember its name
16:12.10Nylegrep for 'driver'
16:12.11Nyle?
16:12.13Nyleno idea
16:12.35stewadama: find . -name '*.grp' | while read i ; do echo $i ; done
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16:12.40JyZyXELnoup
16:12.46JyZyXELdidn't find out
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16:13.44stewJyZyXEL: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin
16:13.45adamaawesome stew thanks, I knew you would know :)
16:14.03Nylegrep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log > returns a lot of info
16:14.11Nyleif you look through ityou will see yoru video driver being used
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16:14.45Nyle(II) fglrx(0): board/chipset is supported by this driver (original ATI board)
16:14.51JyZyXELstew got a command for that one? ;)
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16:15.01Nyle(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.47.3
16:15.06Nyleetc. etc.
16:15.21NyleJyZyXEL, yours should be listed in there somewhere in a similar fasion
16:15.23stewJyZyXEL: for what one?  pasting your Xorg.0.log?
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16:15.29Nyleit should either mention intel, or ati or nvidia
16:15.29JyZyXELstew yea
16:15.44Nylecli paste eh
16:15.54stewJyZyXEL: /msg dpkg pastebin pipe
16:16.06JyZyXELi knew someone made it ;)
16:16.20JyZyXELbut its not in the bot :(
16:16.28Nylethere are pastebins that allow you to cat a file to > http://blahblahsomewhere
16:16.39stewJyZyXEL: but you can also just upload the file to http://paste.debian.net
16:17.02Nylestew, what is the buffer legnth of paste.debian.net?
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16:17.15NyleI think it truncates large text files after a certain piont
16:17.18stewNyle: no idea
16:17.23JyZyXELeverything is fine if i get the command
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16:17.37Bushmillsthere is also http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pastebinit&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
16:17.47stewNyle: if it were to truncate, we could still tell him what driver he was using
16:17.55Wennhow is linux different from windows?
16:17.55fregharhi, anyone knows what happened to mencoder? It's not available as standalone package (googled  and found it's too hard to package it) and it's not in mplayer package.
16:17.59Nylestew, yes. I was just wondering.
16:18.12Nyleit should be with mplayer
16:18.16JyZyXELpastebinit!
16:18.24BushmillsWenn: linux can run for years without reboot or crash
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16:18.32Wennreally?
16:18.54xushihmm, ok so why does Xorg's log say "error, failed to load module nvidia, no drivers available" ?! It's installed, and when you `lsmod` it shows there too!
16:18.55fregharNyle: I'll try to reinstall it ..
16:18.59xushii'm gobsmacked !
16:19.00Wennhow do u surf the internet with linux or log on to msn?
16:19.02wols_Wenn: if you have enough power yes
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16:19.04n3kl_How can I find out the root module when the modules I am trying to remove from teh kernel say "In use"?
16:19.09Nylefreghar, hmm
16:19.18Nyleit isn't.
16:19.19wols_Wenn: witha browser and an IM client like under windows
16:19.21samplrI have a process that I want to keep running after I close the ssh session.  it's already running.  Can I just kill the bash process that started it?  is there a cleaner way to do this?
16:19.32Wennoh
16:19.37Wennis linux really slow?
16:19.53Nylexushi, nvidia-glx
16:19.54wols_samplr: you can't. you can use nohup or screen but you need to decide BEFORE you start the process
16:20.01Nylexushi, is that installed?
16:20.03saftsackhttp://rafb.net/p/guZU8e56.html any ideas?
16:20.10Wennwhat kinda browser and wat kinda IM client?
16:20.11wols_Wenn: please don't troll and stay on topic of debian
16:20.14fregharNyle: so should I report this as a bug?
16:20.17adamaWenn: http://goodbye-microsoft.com
16:20.21Nylefreghar, no
16:20.23JyZyXELhttp://pastebin.com/fa3e5066
16:20.26JyZyXELthats my Xorg
16:20.33xushiNyle: from what i can see, no. But i followed the "module-assist" method in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers to install nvidia drivers
16:20.44Nylexushi, install nvidia-glx and try again
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16:21.06JyZyXELtrying to figure out why don't i have direct rendering
16:21.14Nylenvidia could be loaded, but if nvidia-glx isni't present, you still get no driver found error (iirc)
16:21.17wols_xushi: the kernel module from lsmod is not the X module. different things
16:21.35samplrwols_: there's no way to make sure a hangup signal isn't sent, later?
16:21.44xushiNyle: wow, that's a lot of dependancies.. May i ask, how is this package different than the nvidia-kernel-drivers? Is it the link between the drivers and xorg?
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16:21.50wols_JyZyXEL: your xorg.conf won't really help there. your Xorg.0.log will
16:21.54Nyle!info nvidia-glx
16:21.56wols_samplr: no
16:21.57dpkgnvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 173.14.09-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7500 kB, Installed size: 22240 kB
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16:22.08JyZyXELwols_ thats what it is
16:22.09fregharNyle: so I have to compile another mplayer from source with --with-mencoder (or similar) and copy missing libraries and mencoder binary into system?
16:22.20Nylefreghar, i don't know yet im still looking
16:22.25Nylefreghar, have you tried dmm
16:22.26fregharah
16:22.27xushiwell, i installed it, and i get error now "/etc/X11/X is not executable"
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16:22.33Nyle!tell freghar -about dmm
16:22.46wols_JyZyXEL: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch.
16:22.58JyZyXELwhat driver is that?
16:23.08fregharNyle: thanks, I'll take a look
16:23.09Nylexushi, oss radeon
16:23.12JyZyXELi want fglrx since its the only one that really has any good support
16:23.15Nylenot xushi
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16:23.32wols_JyZyXEL: you have the fglrx driver loaded me thinks when it should be the Free radeon-drm one
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16:23.44Nyleshoudl be?
16:23.45Nyleno.
16:23.48wols_JyZyXEL: then load the fglrx one in your xorg.conf
16:23.58Nyleit should be exactly what he wants, be it fglrx or radeon.
16:24.17enoufNyle: slow down ;-)
16:24.18JyZyXELwols_ last time i tried that the screen went black
16:24.21JyZyXELand it never came back :D
16:24.34enoufvacation?
16:24.38enoufeloped?
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16:24.42xushisomething broke here.. /etc/X11/X is linking to /usr/bin/Xorg, which doesn't exist
16:24.46JyZyXELyea he took a vacation
16:24.51wols_not our fault if ati is too stupid to write a proper driver. you said you want this driver so you gotta load it. mixing them won't work
16:24.53JyZyXELhad to reboot
16:25.26Nylexushi, check bts
16:25.29Bushmillsfreghar: mencoder is a seperate package
16:25.30JyZyXELthe sad thing is that the Ubuntu live CD had direct rendering automagically and now im having problems enabling it in full debian installation :p
16:25.30Nylexushi, testing or sid?
16:25.37xushiNyle: testing
16:25.46wols_JyZyXEL: what videocard?
16:25.50Nylecheck bts on nvidia-glx
16:25.54JyZyXELwols_ ATI 9600XT
16:25.57Sylphid|workhello, sorry to ask in here but im not getting any responce in the ubuntu channel, im having some issues with my AW-GU701 realtek wireless adapter... lsusb reveals the ID 0bda:8187 ... the problem is that the wireless adapters range is significantly lower when using ubuntu vs windows
16:26.08wols_that is supported by the "ati" driver. no fglrx necessary
16:26.12JyZyXELwols_ its the RV350 chipset
16:26.13Nylexushi, what about starting X as root?
16:26.18wols_Sylphid|work: you are still wrong
16:26.21Nylexushi, /etc/init.d/*dm start
16:26.24xushisame thing Nyle , but i'l try again, sec
16:26.27JyZyXELyea i know its supported by everything :p
16:26.29Nyledoes that work, do you only get the error as user?
16:26.34wols_Sylphid|work: we cannot help you. please go back to #ubuntu
16:26.34stewSylphid|work: sorry, we can't help you here. perhaps try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum
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16:27.04Bushmillsxushi: xserver-xorg installed?
16:27.15wols_Sylphid|work: they do know about your card tho and they even have a factoid about it IIRC
16:27.19JyZyXELhow did you change the gfx driver? was it "Driver \"foobar\"" under the "Device" section?
16:27.33NyleJyZyXEL, thats right
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16:27.42wols_JyZyXEL: don't change anything and uninstall fglrx. it will sort out itself
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16:27.49xushiwhat! i swear it was... ah, i see now.. nvidia-glx uninstalled it
16:27.58Nylewhat!?
16:28.14wols_so much for "nvidia-glx works in testing without backport"
16:28.17enoufwols_: fwiw, the ati 3d support in x stops at the rv300 range, 9600xt is above that
16:28.18xushii ti just tried to install xserver-xorg now, and it says "errlr, cannot remove nvidia-glx
16:28.24Nyleits still fucking broken
16:28.26Nyleahhh boy
16:28.29wols_enouf: no it's supported
16:28.30xushithis is on amd64 btw
16:28.43maligorenouf, mm.. r400 also I think
16:28.45xushibah, brb, going to have a quick bite, then continue with this.. thanks for your help so far
16:28.46maligorand r500 now
16:28.53Nyleand 600
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16:28.59Nyleradeonhd mergedinto radeon
16:29.10wols_all R3xx ones are supported that includes 9600 which is rv360
16:29.13maligorI don't think r600 is yet
16:29.22enoufwait - we're not talking radeonhd are we?
16:29.22JyZyXEL(EE) fglrx(0): Given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver
16:29.22Nyleradeonhd will de deprecated after development continues into radeon supporting ALL radeon cards
16:29.23JyZyXELthats btw the error i get
16:29.28JyZyXELits prolly easy to fix?
16:29.39Nylexorg devs inform me that it is better to use radeon in the long run intead of radeonhd
16:29.40maligorNyle, and I meant 3d support
16:29.41wols_just don't use fglrx
16:29.45Nylemaligor, that too
16:29.52JyZyXELwols_ you think i should use the open one?
16:29.58Bushmillsxushi:  Xorg is in xserver-xorg-core
16:29.59enoufwell the man page (and tons of other things) says otherwise
16:30.02JyZyXELwhats its name?
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16:30.35Nyleradeon
16:30.36enouf<PROTECTED>
16:30.36stewJyZyXEL: radeon
16:30.39xushiBushmills: same problem trying to install xserver-xorg-core. it wants to remove nvidia-glx, which gives it an error and quits the installer
16:30.47fregharNyle: it's there ... I got some GPG error from a local mirror but the package is there, thanks again
16:30.49stewenouf: that page is not up to date
16:30.52JyZyXELok
16:30.55Nylefreghar, easy fix
16:31.03enoufstew: ok then - thanks
16:31.03Nylefreghar, install debian-multimedia-keyring
16:31.08JyZyXELi don't require anything super cool from the driver anyways
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16:31.30wols_enouf: what is a "9600TX"? and note he has a 9600XT
16:31.32fregharhehe ... yeah, it's quite easier than before
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16:31.50Nyle9600 from texas
16:31.53rvalleswols_: well, that's better than a 9600PC
16:31.54enoufstew: does the older radeon support it? or is it the radeonhd ?
16:31.58rvallesjust kidding of course
16:32.01enoufwols_: it's a typo
16:32.02GravewormHi all:)! I don't know exactly where to start so I'll try it here ;). I run a samba server with acl support on debian etch. The Problem is, that there is one directory where it seems that a groupname is mapped against a user name. So under WinXP, the username of one user is shown instead of the group the directory belongs to. But if I set the permissions on that group (I select the wrong username) the permissions a really set for the group.
16:32.12enoufwols_: in the man page
16:32.14Nylebtw, radeon from git supports all cards, in dunno which version in sid atm
16:32.21Nyleetch definitely no support for radeonhd 3d
16:32.24Nyleabsolutely none
16:32.39stewenouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412947  the radeon in etch supports it
16:33.05wols_enouf: the rule was anything until the X1xxx cards
16:33.11enoufok thanks stew and wols_ .. i stand corrected then - all new stuff then i guess
16:33.12wols_with X1300 being "special" iirc
16:33.29Nyleenouf, you getting too old
16:33.29enoufwell, i suck then, sorry
16:33.29JyZyXELim using "radeon" Direct Rendering: No
16:33.32Nyleenouf, old man
16:33.35Nyle;)
16:33.41fregharNyle: one more thing ... is there any "list" of such specialized repositories?
16:33.47enoufsmacks Nyle with a petrified coelacanth
16:33.48Nylefreghar, no
16:33.49ArmEagleWhat's the easiest way of installing a Debian on an USB stick (note: I don't want a LiveCD like install)?
16:33.50wols_JyZyXEL: there is a nice log you have there. mind showing it to us?
16:33.53Nylefreghar, just ask here if you need something
16:33.56fregharokay
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16:34.02stewJyZyXEL: is the radeon kernel module loaded?
16:34.03wols_!usb install
16:34.03dpkgit has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
16:34.21ArmEagleoh, thanks!
16:34.40Nyleyou want to intall FROM or TO a usb hdd?
16:35.04Nyleig mentions only installing from, not installing TO
16:35.07ArmEagleTO a USB flash stick (not even a HD)
16:35.12Nylesame thing
16:35.13ArmEagleah ok
16:35.24JyZyXELstew "modprobe radeon"?
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16:35.32Nyleyou want to put debian on a flash key so you can boot it like a live cd on diff computers?
16:35.35samplrwols_: killing the parent bash process seesm to have worked
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16:35.44Nyleor you want to be able to start a debian instalattoin using the key?
16:35.50wols_<PROTECTED>
16:35.52wols_*gone
16:36.04stewJyZyXEL: yes
16:36.07samplrwols_: I closed it.  they're still there
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16:36.22NyleArmEagle, you want to put debian on a flash key so you can boot it like a live cd on diff computers? or you want to be able to start a debian instalattoin using the key?
16:36.32samplrwols_: but uhhh
16:36.36JyZyXELstew my dmesg fills with "Unknown symbol" messages that all start "dmr_"
16:36.46JyZyXEL"drm_"
16:36.57wols_what messages?
16:37.06samplrwols_: the parent sshd and bash are still alive
16:37.22wols_samplr: when the parent dies, so will the child
16:37.55fregharNyle: well, not so simple - possible circular dependencies while installing mencoder
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16:37.55wols_freghar: install all the dependencies and mencoder with the ame apt command
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16:38.29Nylewols_, not always. Consider Z
16:38.32JyZyXELwols_ http://pastebin.com/f463973d5
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16:38.46samplrwols_: does signal 9 kill children?
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16:38.52fregharmaybe it "conflicts" with already installed mplayer from testing repo
16:39.04ArmEagleNyle Instead of using a HD, I only want the flash key in my system. I had been following http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB  But that seems to require some weird scripts..
16:39.05Nyleno
16:39.08Nyleit will not
16:39.17Nyledmm mplayer is always a higher version than that of debian repos
16:39.23Nyleit will take precedence over all mplayer packages
16:39.30Nyle(as much I know anyway)
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16:39.57fregharNyle: the mirror of dmm I'm using has only "stable"
16:39.59wols_JyZyXEL: have you modprobed radeon before starting X or was X running already?
16:39.59JyZyXELradeon driver seems even more broken than fglrx
16:40.00NyleArmEagle, I see, then I don't know as I've never done it
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16:40.07JyZyXELwols_ it was runnign already
16:40.08xushiok with a bit of hacking, i managed to remove the offending nvidia-glx and reinstall xserver-xorg .. but now back to the original problem again... "failed ot load module nvidia, no drivers available"
16:40.17ArmEagleNyle anyway, thanks. Have to get running anyway.
16:40.23Nylexushi, use a backported nvidia-glx from sid
16:40.24wols_JyZyXEL: then modprobe it with X closed
16:40.30xushiNyle: how do i do that?
16:40.30Nylexushi, thats your last bet imo
16:40.37Nyle!tell xushi -about ssb
16:40.39wols_!tell xushi about sbb
16:40.44xushithanks
16:40.53Nylein fact
16:40.54wols_xushi: it's "nvidia-graphics-drivers"
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16:41.01johHi, is there a debhelper for updating the gtk icon cache?
16:41.04Nylenm
16:41.19xushithanks
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16:41.25hti_prohey guys havin trouble hetting X to work, when i log in to gdm it pops up saying that power manager cannot start until the dbus service is started.  ps aux shows that the dbus daemon is running.  I also do not get my task bar.
16:41.28xushiwols_: you mean nvidia-graphics-drivers to backport?
16:41.40wols_yes that's the source package you need to backport
16:42.02JyZyXELwols_ same result
16:42.12xushiwols_: are you sure? i cannot find it in apt
16:42.23Nyleyou won't
16:42.25wols_yes I am sure. it's a SOURCE package
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16:42.26xushiah ok
16:42.30Nylesimply add a deb-src
16:42.34wols_Nyle: not true
16:42.47Nyleif you don't find source packages add a source repo...
16:42.53Nyleright?
16:42.56Nyleduh
16:42.58quittehi. is there a way to move a lvm partition to the end of a disk?
16:43.30wols_JyZyXEL: is fglrx module still loaded?
16:43.41xushiNyle: can it be any deb-src url that i currently have in my list? or is it a specific one?
16:43.42quittesomething like dd that read/writes from the end to the start should do nicely
16:43.45JyZyXELwols_ yup
16:43.57wols_JyZyXEL: so how do you expect the radeon one to work?
16:44.06Nylexushi, copy your mirror, and append deb-src
16:44.17xushithanks for the advice :) will do it now
16:44.19Nyledeb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
16:44.31Nyleetc.etc.
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16:44.49JyZyXELwols_ hard question
16:44.54Nyleand don't let wols confuse you even more
16:44.55Nyleok
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16:44.59wols_JyZyXEL: rhetorical question
16:45.13Nylexushi, apt-get source nvidia-glx will automatically fetch the source packaged you need
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16:45.39ancienttquitte: I think what you might want to do is move physical volumes. You can allocate a new physical volume at the end and then move data from the old one to the new one and finally deallocate the old one
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16:46.28Nyleahhh!!!
16:46.32wols_JyZyXEL: so is drm.ko loaded now?
16:46.34Nyledmwaters is gonna split us!
16:46.43michaelanyone know, why i just install a xserver-core, it install lots drivers which not in use
16:46.47JyZyXELwols_ yea
16:46.50fregharNyle: I tried aptitude (as usual) first, then apt-get, maybe it's just problem between keyboard and chair.. anyway - http://rafb.net/p/itHcRA90.html
16:46.54quitteancientt: i know. the problem is that the biggest lv is slightly bigger than the free space
16:46.58JyZyXELwols_ i started X and no Direct Rendering
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16:47.08wols_then check your X logs
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16:47.16wols_it will tell you what's wrong
16:47.30quitteancientt: also i doubt that lvm likes growing a pv where the beginning of the partition grows
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16:47.35Nylefreghar, apt-get -f install
16:47.45JyZyXELwols_ not in the form of (EE) :(
16:48.06fregharNyle: tried already ..
16:48.07wols_doesn't have to be in this form. Your X still runs. it's not fatal
16:48.21freghar(as shown on the bottom)
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16:48.52Nylei see
16:48.58JyZyXELits a 1055 line log
16:48.59wols_freghar: you have lots of "duplicate" packages. ones with the cvs in name, others without
16:49.07JyZyXELim not qualified to fix this
16:49.09wols_you have to decide for one of the lot
16:49.18wols_JyZyXEL: you should know the drill by now
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16:49.36JyZyXELi leave this one to the open source ati developers
16:49.41JyZyXELand try get the fglrx to work
16:49.54wols_they won't fix it cause it's not broken
16:50.02Nylehah
16:50.05Nylebullshit.
16:50.17Nyleits broken, horribly, but they'll never fix nothing.
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16:50.29JyZyXELgood luck trying to reverse engineer it
16:50.37Nyletry to use opensource drivers if you can, prop. drivers should be your last resort
16:50.39JyZyXELim not gonna have any part with that :-D
16:50.47Nylereverse engineer?
16:50.52Nylewhat rock did you live under ;)
16:50.53wols_JyZyXEL: he says the open source ones are broken...
16:50.56JyZyXELisn't that what they are doing ;)
16:51.06Nyleno...
16:51.07wols_erm, Nyle ^^
16:51.12Nylewols_, I got ya ;)
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16:51.24JyZyXELwell its not like there is alot of support from ATI
16:51.25NyleJyZyXEL, no they are not
16:51.30Nylethere is
16:51.35JyZyXELthere is?
16:51.37NyleATI has opened 3d specifications
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16:51.46JyZyXELyea right?
16:51.46fregharwols_: those cvs-numbered ones are probably from the dmm ..
16:51.50Nylethe radeon driver in git fully supports 3d +compiz fusion
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16:52.02Nyleits not fuly stable as work is still being done
16:52.09Nylebut for the most part, r500 has 3d support now
16:52.15Nyler600 will be soon
16:52.15JyZyXELwell thats great
16:52.20wols_whatevre. some are from etch repos some from dmm. you gotta decide which you want to keep
16:52.22JyZyXELdid they open it all?
16:52.27JyZyXELall thats necessary
16:52.29Nyleye
16:52.48JyZyXELbut still no PCB schemantics and firmware source? ;-D
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16:52.55Nyleof course not
16:52.58JyZyXELlol
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16:54.08Nyleat leat its better than nv..
16:54.11JyZyXELwell im gonna go reverse engineer the configs from ubuntu live CD ;p
16:54.18Nylenv sucks, radeon is much much better
16:54.20JyZyXELthey had working direct rendering somehow
16:54.26Nylebut nvidia > fglrd in prop. dept.
16:54.38fregharwols_: I installed this with netinstall CD and it fetched a stable repo ... so I performed an dist-upgrade ... I'll have to probably google for clues about "telling apt the decission result"..
16:54.41roxhi, can anybody recommend me a good scriptable speech synthesizer?
16:54.49Nylefestival ?
16:54.56Nyle!info festival
16:55.03roxNyle: i'll check, thanky ou
16:55.21dpkgfestival: (General multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.96~beta-7 (sid), Packaged size: 898 kB, Installed size: 2628 kB
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16:57.25troubledNyle: got your surf board ready?
16:57.36JyZyXEL(EE) fglrx(0): Given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver
16:57.40JyZyXELoops
16:57.42troubledits coming....
16:57.52Nylei do'nt surf
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16:57.59Nyleis a skateboarder through and through
16:58.10troubledNyle: got your skateboard ready for the split then?
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16:58.13troubled:)
16:58.15Nylec'mon
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16:58.26Nyleword*
16:59.43Nylenetplit coming up!
16:59.48Nyleget ready folks
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17:17.31Nylethe devs are wondering if they can find another packager or get the original maintainer to do it
17:17.31enoufgreat, another channel to /join
17:17.31NyleI said I dunno
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17:17.31Nylebut apparantly the radeon mainainers in debian havne't done it yet
17:17.31Nyleall i know is
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17:17.33Nyleif you biuld directfly from git the mesa libs and xorg and radeon you will have 3d support
17:17.33Nylea bit flaky and not fully stable but you will have it
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17:17.33hoxuthe (+631 more) part makes you love irssi for showing the netsplit info in a sane manner :P
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17:17.34becks``hi, what's going wrong here? iproute is already installed according to apt-get:
17:17.34Nylehoxu, we splitted already?
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17:17.34becks``r12308:~# tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms 10ms
17:17.34becks``RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory
17:17.34fregharwols_: figured it out ... the mencoder package depends on those CVS numbered ... and mplayer requies the either ones
17:17.34hoxuNyle, should be over
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17:17.34UKPbz___Hi all, can someone tell me where eth0 mac address is stored in debian 4? I dn't have an /etc/iftab file
17:17.34Nylehoxu, :) I SEE NUSSIN'
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17:17.35Nyle01:11 Ignorance List:
17:17.35Nyle01:11    1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP
17:17.35drvUKPbz___: /etc/udev/
17:17.35fregharand mplayer-nogui depends on non-existing library, so ...
17:17.35drvUKPbz___: sorry, wrong window
17:17.35ameyerunfortunately, all the netsplit joins were seperate
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17:18.12ameyerfor me
17:18.16enoufNyle: you stink, nothing there
17:18.17NyleI see nothing but people talking in #debian
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17:18.26Nyleenouf, just cuz I'm paki doesn't mean I stink!
17:18.26Nyle:(
17:18.26enoufNyle: i want in for mation
17:18.26Nylego.  to.  #radeon.
17:18.26Nyleor #radeonhd
17:18.26Nyleor #xorg
17:18.27enoufi am in there you twit
17:18.27enoufthere's no docs there
17:18.27ameyerwonders if freenode will ever kline *!*@* like oftc did that one time...
17:18.27fregharso after all ... old slackware-way wins
17:18.27Agiofwscan i tell a gif in html code to play like once  every 30 secs ?
17:18.27enoufameyer: there once was a very similar booboo
17:18.27NyleAgiofws, yes
17:18.27enoufameyer: it's in one of the qotd
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17:18.27wols_Agiofws: #web
17:18.27NyleAgiofws, #css
17:18.28becks``oh there was a netsplit.. trying again, whoever can help me is my hero =)   r12308:~# tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms 10ms   -->   RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory
17:18.28enoufameyer: someone used [ ] in their kline, which brought down the Servers :-P
17:18.28hoxu!qotd145
17:18.28dpkg-dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience.
17:18.28NyleCompiz is now working successfully on the R500 hardware with the latest Mesa code as well as many games. The games we have tested so far include OpenArena, Nexuiz, Warsow, Enemy Territory, Doom 3, and Unreal Tournament 2004.
17:18.28ameyerheh
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17:18.28Nyleenouf, ^^
17:18.29grulkHi if I want to install graphical interface a aptitude install gnome xorg gdm will do the job or am I missing something?
17:18.29enoufAgiofws: animated GIFs ?, lmao .. fire up windows and play with msworks or whatever it was
17:18.29wols_enouf: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd
17:18.29NyleWhen testing out these open and closed source games, we had used the latest DRM, Mesa, and xf86-video-ati git code as of 1:00PM PST on May 27, 2008. The PCI Express graphics card used in conjunction was an ATI Radeon HD 1800XT 256MB (R520)
17:18.29enouf^fives hoxu
17:18.29wols_enouf: http://airlied.livejournal.com/
17:18.29Nyleenouf, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=RadeonHD
17:18.29ameyeryeah, the oftc incident was right after they switched to their current services setup, someone flooded, and floodserv klined the flooder^Wentire internet
17:18.30enoufwols_: righto - thanks - but shouldn't debian changelogs also reflect newly added support? or even just old support? 3d is not mentioned once on that URL i posted
17:18.36Nyleenouf, which version is in sid?
17:18.45Nyleof radeonhd/mesa/xofg/gl
17:18.46Nyle?
17:18.49enoufwols_: and seaching for ati yields one thing pertaining to ATI
17:18.52wols_enouf: it's new and changes daily. no use to go and document all of it right now
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17:19.15enoufNyle: no idea, go to pdo
17:19.16wols_and ther is no debian release out which supports it all either
17:19.25Nyleenouf, I alrady know
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17:19.28kahrytanWhere's a single CD install of Debian?
17:19.33Nyleenouf, I'm trying to getyou to answer yoru own quesiton
17:19.37wols_!cdimage
17:19.38dpkgwols_, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation...
17:19.43enoufwols_: so, updated man pages is the only hope to go by?
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17:19.47hoxu!tell kahrytan about netinst
17:19.55wols_enouf: they are the last ones to get updated probably
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17:20.08dyekHi, I'm trying to understand why dpkg-buildpackage is taking Source Version out of change log. Does it use that information in a very limited scope? If it is used in a wider scope, why isn't Version: being set in control file? (I got warning setting Version:.)
17:20.11enoufNyle: thanks
17:20.23Nyleenouf, ;)
17:20.31Nyledumbass
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17:20.49SamuraiDiohi
17:20.50enoufsmacks Nyle with a petrified coelacanth .. again
17:21.07enoufwaits for the nitwit to go and find the definition :-P
17:21.08SamuraiDiowhats the use of Debian multiarch?
17:21.13Nylestrickes enouf with a penix
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17:21.17NyleSamuraiDio, hi
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17:21.28hoxu!marry enouf and Nyle
17:21.28dpkgenouf, do you take Nyle to be your lawfully wedded spouse?  Nyle, do you take enouf?  Cool.  Kiss or something.
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17:21.38Nyle!
17:21.42enouftakes the five back
17:21.49hoxu:(
17:21.54NyleSamuraiDio, whats do you mean?
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17:22.08kahrytanhoxu,  netinstall good for vbox?
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17:22.29wols_kahrytan: if you know how to set up vbox networking: yes
17:22.53NyleSamuraiDio, tons of uses
17:23.04cusco_hey... manual page for apt-get doesn't refer to proxy usage.. I know I have seen somewhere but I can't remember
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17:23.09hoxukahrytan, yes, unless you plan on installing lots of virtual machines, in which case it might make sense to download the full ISO (or use apt-proxy)
17:23.15cusco_how do I make apt-get connect to internet trough a proxy?
17:23.15wols_!apt-proxy
17:23.15dpkgrumour has it, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together.   http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package
17:23.24Nyle!multiarch
17:23.24dpkgi guess multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html
17:23.37hoxucusco_, tried setting http_proxy?
17:23.43SamuraiDioNyle, what's the point of its use? will mult-arch work both on i383 and amd64, by example?
17:23.43Nyledpkg multiarch is also http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem
17:23.43dpkgNyle: okay
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17:23.56Nylenot quite
17:24.10abrotmancusco_: it's in the apt.conf
17:24.12hoxu!tell cusco_ about http_proxy
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17:24.15cusco_hoxu: no, I didn't. does apt-get read that?
17:24.16kahrytanhoxu,  I wouldnt want to waste allot of cds on trial of debian in vbox. Im trying different distros. and attempt to learn them better. I'm gonna try freebsd as well.
17:24.21cusco_I set it before..
17:24.21hoxucusco_, it's in the factoid :)
17:24.25dryrotapt-proxy hangs for no reason for me.  i have had more success with approx .
17:24.29cusco_ok I will take a look hoxu ; abrotman
17:24.31abrotmanapt-proxy isn't the same as using a proxy for apt
17:24.31cusco_thanks
17:24.35stewSamuraiDio: the point would be that if you had an amd64, you could install both a i386 and amd64 version of the same package and have them both work
17:24.37Nyleit allows to run pacakges from other debian ports.  multple cpu architechtures ona single machine
17:24.41cusco_yea, apt-proxy is not what I want
17:24.56hoxukahrytan, you don't need to burn the ISO on a physical medium to install from it in virtualbox
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17:25.06ampex2is apt-proxy even being maintained any longer?
17:25.08hoxukahrytan, just download it and mount the image as cdrom
17:25.15NyleMultiarch gives the ability to install packages from another architecture on a system. It is basically useful for architectures that support 32-bit and 64-bit binaries. It is also useful on architectures which support multiple ABI like mips o32, n32 and n64.
17:25.17ampex2it seems apt-cacher is a better option
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17:25.25fregharis there a way how to force package instalation without unresolved dependencies?
17:25.38freghars/unresolved/resolved/
17:25.41Nyledpkg and apt currently do not support multiarch.
17:25.42dpkgNyle: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
17:25.51hoxuampex2, if you try out both, let me know your thoughts. My experience with apt-proxy is that it does not keep working for a long time :/
17:26.00wols_freghar: there are ways but from then on dpkg will complain everytime you use it and refuse to install stuff. not recommended
17:26.12hoxufreghar, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?
17:26.26fregharwols_: well .. then there is no way how to install mencoder with debian package manager ..
17:26.32wols_freghar: there is
17:27.12NyleSamuraiDio, Multiarch is only interesting if you have packages from another compatible architecture to install. It is already the case for i386 and amd64, and also for powerpc and powerpc64, but the later port is not official.  Multiarch is only providing a way to install packages from different architectures at the same time
17:27.16fregharthose cvs-named libraries conflict with actual ones .. and when I remove my previous libraries, mplayer won't install
17:27.16simonrvnfreghar: thousands if not tens of thousands of people have installed it that way
17:27.20Nyleblah blah blahlbha
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17:27.44wols_freghar: if you install it from dmm too I'm fairly sure it installs. apt-cache policy mplayer
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17:28.04Nylefreghar, remove ALL mplayer packages from the system
17:28.05wols_!info mplayer etch
17:28.05kahrytanhoxu,  it's still to big. Just aiming for the basic gnome desktop.
17:28.26Nylefreghar, apt-get --purge remove ^mplayer*
17:28.29hoxukahrytan, what is too big?
17:28.29dpkgmplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4449 kB, Installed size: 10104 kB
17:28.34xushiargh! ok backporting nvidia-graphics-drivers didnt work.. i cannot install the deb packages because it tells me dependancy problems
17:28.42kahrytanhoxu,  Why download 16gb of dvd images ?
17:28.49wols_xushi: what problems exactly
17:28.54hoxukahrytan, why, exactly?
17:28.55Nylexushi, logs
17:28.59Nylepastebin
17:29.00sintanyone works with the app called dia? is there a way to insert multiple entities or attributes at once?
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17:29.04ampex2hoxu: I've been using apt-cacher here for a good six months for multiple debian etch and ubuntu 7.10/8.04 boxes with no issue
17:29.08hoxukahrytan, did you read the netinst factoid? /msg dpkg netinst
17:29.17kahrytanhoxu,  I assuming all those cd/dbd ios contain the huge repository?
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17:29.25wols_kahrytan: yes. the full repo
17:29.56ampex2xushi: don't want to just install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website?
17:30.18hoxuampex2, interesting, I'll definitely have a look at it, thanks
17:30.42fregharNyle: already done ..
17:30.55xushiampex2: i've followed the module-assistant method in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers   .. but something is going wrong here
17:31.01fregharnone of those matching ^mplayer* is installed
17:31.14xushiampex2: starting Xorg, it gives me an error trying to load nvidia, cannot find drivers... but when you lsmod nvidia, it's there
17:31.14Nyleok
17:31.21wols_xushi: you've been asked to provide logs. please do. if you want to use nvidia.com installer: fine but then don't expect help here
17:31.31Nylefreghar, now you need to relax for a second
17:31.40wols_xushi: I told you already the kernel module is NOT the X driver. different things
17:31.43kahrytanwols_, I prefer not to have entire repository.
17:31.46Nylefreghar, now in sources.list add entry for debianmltimedia
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17:31.55fregharNyle: already done
17:32.03xushiwols_: please relax man.. as for logs, i'm happy to provide any that you want
17:32.04wols_kahrytan: you've been told and again to use netinst. if you ignore all advice solve your own problems
17:32.08hoxukahrytan, I repeat second time: please read the netinst factoid, /msg dpkg netinst
17:32.13hoxukahrytan, what part of it you don't understand?
17:32.19Nylefreghar, then in /etc/apt/preferences add an pin entry 999 for origin: debian-multimedia.org
17:32.23enoufNyle: i hope he had his config setup in ~/,mplayer/config ;-)
17:32.27Nylefreghar, /msg dpkg pinning
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17:32.50Nylefreghar, then install mplayer
17:32.53dimirPin Me Down!
17:32.54kahrytanhoxu,  read, and downloaded.
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17:33.31wols_kahrytan: this will install a small but fully working debian. any additional packages will be downloaded upon demand from debian servers. only needed packages will
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17:33.36wols_!tell kahrytan about install gnome
17:33.46Ergo^what is the most commonly used ftp deamon for debian ?
17:33.55Nylei know they say pinning isn't neccessery used backports, but i think this calls for a pin
17:33.56hoxu!tell Ergo^ about popcon
17:34.04Nyledimir, only if you're a hot chic...
17:34.06Nyle;)
17:34.11wols_Nyle: yes it's a good choice here
17:34.16Ab3lhow do i fix: Kernel panic: non syncing VFS Unable to mount root on unknown bloc 0,0 ?
17:34.24dimirNyle: hehe, just remembered the song of Clawfinger.
17:34.28wols_Ab3l: you built your own kernel?
17:34.45Ab3lshrunk my own kernel which used to work
17:34.55xushirunning the backport, it produced a few .deb packages. One which is nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_amd64.deb, which installed successfully. The other, nvidia-glx_173.14.09-2_amd64.deb gives error saying that package nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 is not installed. I can't find that one in apt
17:35.00ampex2Ab3l: perhaps you've shrunk it a bit too much :)
17:35.03wols_you shrunk too much. try again. and yes you built your own kernel then
17:35.05xushias for logs, i can provide whatever you need
17:35.07Ab3l:)
17:35.12stewAb3l: /msg dpkg can't mount root
17:35.13Nylehehe shrunk too much
17:35.21Ab3lit maybe 0cuz i disabled initramfs?
17:35.32hoxu!tell Ergo^ about ftpd
17:35.32wols_xushi: cause it's a kernel SOURCE. you have to build and install the actual module with m-a again
17:36.01Ergo^thanks
17:36.12fregharNyle: add new Origin: line to the "usual" pin format?
17:36.18wols_xushi: and use this nvidia-kernel-source package. best remove all other versions of the package if you have them install
17:36.21wols_+ed
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17:36.38Nylefreghar, read man apt_preferences
17:36.44Ab3l(the problem is i can allow a 64kb- 128kb ram disk at best on a floppy ;))
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17:36.59wols_Ab3l: you don't need a ramdisk
17:37.02wols_I wouldn't use one
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17:37.09NylePin: origin "blahblahblah"
17:37.15Ab3lso what can be i only diabled audio and network stuff
17:37.33wols_Ab3l: no. lots more drivers can be removed
17:37.37ampex2Ab3l: are you still trying to use your ramdisk?
17:37.37Ab3lyes
17:37.39Nylefreghar, there are examples in the manpage.  use the one with origin in it
17:37.41wols_anything that is not inside your PC: remove
17:37.46Ab3lbut i mean i only removed those
17:37.53Ab3land kernel shrunk to 1.2mb
17:37.58Nylefreghar, use priority 999, and origin debian-multimedia.org
17:38.00Ab3lwich is good for me
17:38.01ampex2Ab3l: you've removed initramfs but you're still trying to use an initrd?
17:38.03wols_Ab3l: no you removed a lot more. anything what was in your initramfs was removed
17:38.07Ab3lno
17:38.14stewAb3l: and you removed the initramfs which contained your filesystem drivers and maybe your disk controller drivers
17:38.20Nylefreghar, in /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you use the debian-multimedia.org/ etch repo
17:38.28wols_among other things there a filesystems, hdd controler drivers and the like in there. and one of these things you need
17:38.31enoufO_o  NVIDIA Denies Opening Up Its Driver Posted by Michael Larabel on June 24, 2008
17:38.35fregharNyle: sure, it's there ..
17:38.47fregharbut it falls back to the basic problem
17:38.49Ab3lso ?
17:38.56Nyleafter pinning it shouldn't
17:39.00wols_so you need to compile it into your kernel
17:39.04fregharlibdirectfb-0.9-25 is not installed and not reachable
17:39.06wols_if you don't: no boot
17:39.24kahrytanwols_,  unstable debian have 2.6.26?
17:39.33Nyle25-4?
17:39.34wols_kahrytan: not as far as I know
17:39.37Ab3lk so i've to look for disk suppor and fs support in kernel config then recomppile right?
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17:39.48Nylei still have 2.6.25-2-686
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17:40.09ampex2Ab3l: and support for whatever storage controller you're using
17:40.12jkielhorHello All, how does one break a software mirror raid up so I will have one bootable drive and one spare?
17:40.15wols_Ab3l: why didn't you read the factoid stew gave you?
17:40.40Ab3ldidn't noticd :(
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17:43.05fregharNyle: mplayer now depends on libdirectfb-0.9-25 (same as with mplayer-nogui from dmm repo before) which "is not installable"
17:43.14Nylehm
17:44.10Nyleetch contains libdirectfb-0.9-25
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17:44.16Nyle!info libdirectfb-0.9-25 etch
17:44.19dpkglibdirectfb-0.9-25: (direct frame buffer graphics - shared libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25.1-5 (etch), Packaged size: 815 kB, Installed size: 1800 kB
17:44.22Nyle...?
17:44.50Nylefreghar, paste the entire output in pastebin
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17:46.13fregharNyle: http://rafb.net/p/rB51Ac69.html
17:46.15jkielhorI can't seem to find anything about this on google.  Nothing for free anyway.
17:47.19Nylefreghar, what if you do aptitude install libdirectfb-0.9-25:
17:47.30Nyleminus the :
17:47.58Nyletry aptitude and see if it proposes any solutions
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17:49.56bkw_anyone here every install Debian on an AMCC 440EP ppc box?
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17:50.36Nyle!tell bkw_ -about anyone
17:50.46Nylemy only ppc install/use has been on a powerbook 3400c
17:50.59fregharNyle: the package is there with version <none> , when I open the package information (in ncurses gui), there's 0.9.25.1-5 version under "Versions of libdirectfb-0.9-25" and when I open it, there are true details (as from dpkg here)
17:50.59Nyleand try #debinappc too on oftc
17:51.17fregharNyle: ( http://rafb.net/p/PBnnpy85.html is my install attempt )
17:52.20jkielhorCan anyone help me break up a software mirror raid array?
17:52.22Nylehm
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17:52.33Nylefreghar, aptitdue install mplayer
17:52.40Nyleaptitude*
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17:53.09Nylelook at possible solutions (you should get some hopefully)
17:53.15peteriushi, I want to modify drag and drop functionality in gnome desktop, anyone familiar?
17:53.21Nyleaptitude can resolve stupid dependency problems a lot b etter, maybe it will work for you
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17:53.27SamuraiDioNyle, but is this multi-arch-thing working fine? i have a amd64 installation on my laptop, and i had to make a 32bit chroot to run some 32bit apps because i was not thinking there is already a working multi-arch
17:53.42NyleSamuraiDio, I cannot say, I am not very much experienced with multiarch
17:54.14Nylenew ports have to be started to produce those packages for multiarch env.
17:54.29SamuraiDiosure
17:54.32SamuraiDiothanks
17:54.41Nyleof enire package trees
17:54.42fregharNyle: two solutions ... one was about installing mplayer which I'm trying now ...
17:55.08fregharseems it works so far
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17:55.28Nyle!why aptitude
17:55.29dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude is also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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17:56.02fregharyeah .. yeah ... that's why I use it last few weeks
17:56.16abrotmanSamuraiDio: multiarch for Debian doesn't exist
17:56.17fregharso I don't need full gnome when I want gtk app ...
17:56.55fregharNyle: so should I try to install mencoder now?
17:57.10Nyleif thats what you want
17:57.24Nyledpkg and apt currently do not support multiarch
17:57.24dpkgNyle: I wish you would RTFM.
17:57.29Nyleheh
17:57.43freghar:)
17:58.03fregharNyle: right, it installs okay with that pin .. thanks for help
17:58.15Nylegcc does not have support for multiarch library paths
17:58.33Nylebinutils also does not have support for multiarch paths
17:59.37Nylehttp://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/multiarch-devel/
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18:00.49vsd_how can i see if a server has RAID setup?
18:00.53Nyleahh there is a wiki page
18:00.56Nylehttp://wiki.debian.org/multiarch
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18:01.19triflerEqualizer what to use?
18:01.41Nylefreghar, cool
18:01.41fregharvsd_: cat /proc/raidtab ?
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18:02.02Nylefreghar, just don't watch too much pr0n ;)
18:02.10Nylej/k
18:02.12tao36switching to aptitude from apt is easy?
18:02.16fregharNyle: well ... it's good to know it works that way but I'll have to compile it on a real converting server anyway, ...
18:02.29triflertao36: Not really much of a switch.
18:02.38fregharbecause it's part of mplayser source
18:02.44fregharmplayer*
18:03.02tao36trifler : no steps to clean up apt footprints?
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18:03.25freghartao36: I guess apt and aptitude can be used together ..
18:03.37triflertao36: What would there be to clean up? :S
18:04.02tao36trifler: directories in /
18:04.10tao36config files
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18:04.14freghartao36: aptitude uses /etc/apt/
18:04.18SamuraiDioabrotman, so, what is this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/multi-arch/iso-dvd/
18:04.19pickcoderapt and aptitude aren't supposed to be used interchangebly to install/remove packages
18:04.20SamuraiDio?
18:04.30SamuraiDiopickcoder, no
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18:04.34pickcoderyou _can_ do that
18:04.37pickcoderbut it's not recommended
18:04.39tao36pickcoder : i suspected that
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18:04.44freghartao36: for me - aptitude it's *just* advanced apt
18:04.45triflertao36: Its basicly the same apart from the depenencies part (correct me if im wrong)
18:04.51pickcoderI prefer apt's searching
18:04.56Nyleme too
18:04.58pickcoderbut I use aptitude to install
18:04.59SamuraiDiopickcoder, sorry, i was thunking you was asking
18:05.02Nyleme too
18:05.35freghar+1
18:06.01xinguanyone know off the top of their head how to disable horizontal mousewheel events on the gnome window list applet?
18:06.23pickcoderdon't hit the wheel?
18:06.26tao36my debian / is too big for the partition size it has so im trying to thin out and a better packaging  tool is a start
18:06.26Nylexingu, irc.gnome.org #gnome
18:06.29pickcoder:)
18:06.29Nylepickcoder, HAHAHA
18:06.37Nylehehe tard hehe :)
18:07.06tao36df shows 92% in /
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18:07.35SamuraiDioxingu, if you have a tool or knife you can rip the whell out of the mouse
18:07.36xingugiven that the applet is usually at the bottom of the screen and that horizontal mousewheel events usually occur at the bottom of a touchpad, it's a FAIL of a UI
18:07.41tao36so enough of mcdonalds
18:07.54Nyleso
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18:07.58Nyleput the panel on the top...
18:08.00Nyleor the side
18:08.14Nyleor put the applet on a diff panel
18:08.21Nyleon the top... or the side.
18:08.22freghartao36: I used aptitude's ncurses interface to get cleanly rid of unneeded packages ..
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18:09.01tao36fregar:ive used deborphan but it kept growing
18:09.03pickcoderdeborphan will clean up unused libs
18:09.06SamuraiDioxingu, you can also disable the scroll option of your touchpad on xorg.conf, but it's options depends on your touchpad vendor
18:09.18freghartao36: such as documentation, lots of video drivers, ...
18:09.28tao36yeah
18:09.31freghartry that one ..
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18:10.26tao36fregar: but ive read that when you use apt you shouldnt use aptitude.
18:10.34xushiright.. one final question.. if i dist-upgrade downgrade to the stable debian, would this solve all my problems with nvidia?
18:10.50xinguI'm not trying to disable my scrollwheel, folks; I rather like it.
18:10.53tao36fregar: and i would be cleaning apt trash with aptitude
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18:11.16xinguI'm trying to disable gnome window list's annoying habit of consuming the events as an excuse to change focus
18:11.27Nyleuse kde instead
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18:11.52freghartao36: as far as I know .. you can use both aptitude and apt ...
18:11.53Nyleit is extremely fully configuraable
18:11.55humboltI am trying to create a screencast. I have an ogg video now and a flac audio and seem to be pretty stuck with these formats now!
18:11.56Nyleand not as ugly as gtk
18:11.58xinguis this "give Nyle a buck for every cup of the frickin obvious" day?
18:12.07NyleAND you can change colors on individual controls unlike gtk themes
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18:12.16abrotmanSamuraiDio: an ISO that boots on multiple system architectures
18:12.22pickcoderxushi: how do you plan on "downgraging" with dist-upgrade?
18:12.28pickcoderdowngrading even
18:12.31humboltI am unable to stitch audio and video together and ogg seems to be unsupported even in OSS video applications!
18:12.56humboltis there a linux video channel?
18:12.59tao36freagar:pinkcoder just said(and he isnt the first i heard ) that its not a good policy
18:13.03SamuraiDioabrotman, but it will install what architecture
18:13.04SamuraiDio??
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18:13.28tao36*pinkcoder
18:13.32bjwebbwhen will firefox/iceweasel 3 be in sid?
18:13.38freghartao36: I can say this way works for me ... I'm not sure if it's correct but it works ...
18:13.38wasabiHowdy. Anyone experienced with PPP configs through /etc/network/interfaces? Having some issues. examples shows that you use a virtual interface name.
18:13.50wasabiWhen I do so, it errors, saying that the interface does not exist. Which is true, because I made it up
18:13.58pickcoder!ff
18:13.59dpkghmm... ff is hexadecimal for 255
18:14.03pickcodermeh
18:14.13pickcodertell me something I don't know
18:14.13\amethystbjwebb:  when there are changes from the rc2
18:14.15Nyle!ff3
18:14.15dpkgrumour has it, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1.  Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings  Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>
18:14.22tao36freghar: thankx will try
18:14.23abrotmanSamuraiDio: i don't recall . i think amd64 and i386 .. maybe PPC too
18:14.34xushipickcoder: probably by removing testing and running dist-upgrade again
18:14.35Nylepickcoder, that one bro :)
18:14.47SamuraiDiook, thanks
18:15.13wols_wasabi: http://paste.debian.net/7703/
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18:15.26pickcoderxushi: there is no way to "downgrade" as far as I know, without reinstalling
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18:15.52wols_xushi: is the nvidia drivers loaded now?
18:16.01bjwebb\amethyst: my mistake, i thought it would be an iceweasel-3.0 package
18:16.07bjwebbive got it installed now, thanks
18:16.15Nyle\amethyst, hey
18:16.18xushidamn it...
18:16.29wols_xushi: hm?
18:16.41\amethystNyle:  howdy
18:16.48wasabiwols_: That's basically what I've done. When I run ifup, a get a big error that it cannot retrieve whatever from dsl-provider
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18:17.17wasabifoo: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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18:17.29wasabiIt seems to continue though, actually.
18:17.35wols_wasabi: no you haven't. you haven't commented out auto
18:17.48wasabiI don't follow?
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18:18.33tao36by the way anyone knows of working solution for the flash plugin in debian ppc?
18:18.36wasabiAnd another problem of course is that post-up doesn't really mean post. it doesn't wait for the connection to be established.
18:18.45wasabiit runs it immediately. Which means ip route fails.
18:18.46pijuhello, any solution to block torrent from client ?
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18:19.08simonrvntao36: use gnash
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18:19.56pijuhello, any solution to block torrent from client ?
18:20.13simonrvn!tell piju -about repeat
18:20.26tao36simonrvn : any "how to" use it with iceweasel or opera  that you know about?
18:20.39simonrvninstall it
18:20.42wasabiAlso, anybody do any advanced router stuff, with any sort of... better system than a plain shell script? I'd like interfaces to all come up on their own, rules to be added when they come up, and properly torn down.
18:20.44tao36yes
18:20.54tao36its installed
18:21.15wasabii actually really like stuff like smoothwall and m0n0wall, but they don't just install on normal debian boxes
18:21.20pickcoderwasabi: if you're trying to issue custom routing statements, you can always put then in an init script and run them after ifupdown
18:21.39tao36!gnash
18:21.41dpkgsomebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
18:21.42ftp3i have an extra hard drive in my machine, and I would like to do a daily backup of changed files at say 2am.. i have been searching.. is partimage what I want? or is there an easier way?
18:21.57wasabiftp3: rsync works for that
18:22.08wasabidirvish is a good automator for it
18:22.12pickcoderftp3: do you want the entire file system or just a transactional log
18:22.13Vorbotewasabi: you can use fwbuilder. It is a GUI RAD tool that spits out iptables commands.
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18:22.37wasabiVorbote: Does it automatically issue rules when interfaces come up and go down, properly.
18:22.40ftp3pickcoder: initially, the full file system, then, just changed files
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18:22.53pickcoderas wasabi said, rsync
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18:23.11wasabidirvish is a good program for that. it uses rsync... but it makes the config process easy
18:23.20Vorbotewasabi: No. That's for you to set up. The proper way, btw, is using ifconfig scripts in /etc/network/
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18:24.04pickcoderwasabi: how hard is it to add an rsync cron tab
18:24.04enouftao36: might want to look at localepurge pkg and clean out your older logs (the .gz ones)
18:24.04VorboteWhere proper way is the Debian way ;-)
18:24.04wasabiVorbote: Well, here's an example.  When using a ppp interface in network/interfaces, the ifup scripts are run when pppd is forked, but long before pppd has actually initiated the connection
18:24.04wasabipickcoder: Harder when you want to do hard link trees.
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18:24.24tao36enouf: thankx will try
18:24.27tao36:)
18:24.28ftp3thanks.. searching for a tutorial now ;-)
18:24.40pozicHow can I let a program run until it accesses a certain file and then let me step the assembly instructions one by one?
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18:24.58wasabipozic: gdb
18:25.01DeepaI installed nfs-kernel-server and added this into /etc/exports
18:25.11Deepa/home/nfs home(rw)
18:25.22DeepaWhen I try to mount it on the computer home, I get permission denied
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18:25.44pozicwasabi: does that work without debugging symbols? And are you sure you can let gbd detect system calls?
18:26.03wasabiYou probably can.
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18:26.11wasabiI'd strongly suspect you can set really creative break points
18:26.39Vorbotewasabi: you can create a test for the uplink as the first thing in your ipup iptables script that waits for the uplink to be established.  ifconfig can help there.
18:27.27wasabiHmm. Yeah. I could.
18:27.32wasabiSounds like annoying work.
18:27.41wasabiWhich is why I was wondering if there was some product to do it all for me. :)
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18:28.05Vorbotewasabi: or use Vyatta. Debian-based, for the CLI connoisseur. :-)
18:28.11wasabiChecking that out.
18:28.25pozicgdb*
18:28.30wasabiOh. Another appliance?
18:28.39wasabiSee. I want the software these appliances have: installed on my real debian box
18:28.51wasabiand managing nothing other than iptables
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18:29.39VorboteThat's a tall order I'm afraid. Hmm... Shorewall could it.
18:29.46xinguwasabi: why don't you just use the /etc/ppp/ip-pre-up script?
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18:30.30VorboteThanbks for reminding us of that. I haven't used PPP in a loooong time :-)
18:31.19VorboteYup, that's what I used to set up my PPPoE connection when using a ·$&"&& USB DSL bridge.
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18:33.48Hinata`I tried everything to get my Windows back and my grub to work but now when I choose to boot on windows xp it says that NTLDR is missing... is it normal?
18:34.27enoufno .. did you chainload +1 and use rootnoverify option?
18:34.34wasabixingu: I will probably end up doing so.
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18:34.47Hinata`I juste used chainload +
18:34.49Hinata`1
18:34.58peterlhhi, is debian testing = debian 4.0
18:35.02abrotmanno
18:35.04Hinata`what does rootnoverify?
18:35.15peterlh3.1 then?
18:35.20enoufi dunno, i don't use wintendo
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18:35.27Hinata`and how do I use it? ^^'
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18:35.27\amethystpeterlh:  4.0 == etch   which is stable right now
18:35.42enoufHinata`: here; http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm
18:35.44\amethystpeterlh:  testing is lenny right now, which will probably be 4.1 when it is released
18:35.49peterlh\amethyst: heh.ok :) thanks
18:35.53VorboteHinata`: no. Somehow you managed to delete the OS loader.
18:35.59Hinata`if I reinstall NTLDR it will give me problems?
18:36.27VorboteHinata`: It doesn't hurt to try.
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18:36.40Hinata`ok ^^
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18:40.39abrotman\amethyst: they already decided on 5.0
18:41.10tao36will buy a diferent arch cpu as flash does not work on ppc with gnash or swfdec
18:41.13tao36:(
18:41.27\amethystabrotman:  ah, cool
18:41.36tao36youtube only plays sound
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18:41.51tao36blackscreen
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18:42.21HardDisk_WPhi all
18:42.32HardDisk_WPwhere is vsftpd's standard upload folder for anons?
18:43.18simonrvntao36: try using the backports.org one
18:43.19NinjaManI have a laptop with a wireless and a wired interface, when I switch between the interfaces, my DHCP+dynamic DNS set-up doesn't register the FQDN to the new IP address (on the interface I've switched to) - can someone help me solve this?
18:43.40simonrvntao36: or backport the sid or experimental one. i hear they work better.
18:43.43NinjaManit only works if I manually release the old interface 1st
18:43.45tao36simonrvn: hmm..ok
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18:44.02simonrvntao36: good luck with that
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18:44.18simonrvntao36: /msg dpkg simple sid backport for help
18:44.28Hinata`when I type in grub command line "root (hd1,0)" I tells me " Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0X7 ??? I destroyed my windows xp?
18:45.07tao36simonrvn: thanks
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18:47.41Lars_GWhat's the right form for a std free reopsitory for sarge from the US mirror? "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge" ?
18:47.47Lars_Gfor the main repo
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18:49.20VorboteHinata`: no. In fact the partition ID is correct. Try booting from your windows cd and run a repair. That should fix things for you. Before doing that, install grub in a USB stick or a floppy so that you can get back to your Debian install and reinstall GRUB in your HD.
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18:52.51_Progress_hi, i use noip2 from apt but it not start on boot. can you help me?
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18:53.06_Progress_i try with rcconf but .... no effect
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18:53.49pozicEverytime I start my machine the list of schroot sessions that is recovered increases. So, after a few hundred boots it will take a few minutes to "recover" these sessions.
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18:55.09pozicI halt this machine in a sane way, so it's not like I am pulling the plug or anything. I see no reason why it would do what it does.
18:55.49pozicNever mind, it's a known problem.
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18:58.36Blondei'd like to ask a noob question, i cant find it via google
18:58.50Blondei have set up my debian server, now i would like to disable that gnome loads on boot
18:58.56Blondeto get some extra performance
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18:59.19wasabiwhy did you install gnome on it?
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18:59.32Blondei like it to set up the server
18:59.39Blondeand to be able to run it
18:59.47Blondebut i dont want to run it automatically on boot
18:59.48pozicGreat, a known problem without a workaround. Just what I needed.
18:59.49wasabiAnd are you using gdm?
18:59.50Blondejust when i need it :)
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18:59.58rcatwoodwhat shoudl be tried if I get a blank screen with flashing underscore in top left corner after installing etch?
19:00.00wasabiDon't login when you don't need it.
19:00.05rcatwoodupon first reboot
19:00.18wasabircatwood: Bootloader is messed up.
19:00.19wasabiFix it.
19:00.38rcatwoodwasabi: bootloader is what ethc installed
19:00.41rcatwoodetch
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19:00.58wasabiWell it did it wrong.
19:00.59wasabiFix it.
19:01.27rcatwoodwasabi: thank you, your advice is worth the 100 bytes of bandwith it took.
19:01.41BlondeIm not sure if im using the GDM.... actually im just using the default Debian 4 installation
19:02.17abrotman!tell Blonde about nodm
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19:02.51Blondei dont want to remove the package
19:02.56Blondei want to be able to use the gui
19:03.05Blondebut just not always
19:03.10wols_Blonde: you still can
19:03.17mortumhi
19:04.35wols_rcatwood: another 100 bytes worth of advice: don't react sarcastic when you seek help
19:04.57wols_Blonde: when you run "startx", X will start
19:05.01mortumsecret
19:05.43wols_mortum: if that is what I think it is, you should choose a new nickserv password. this time a usable one please
19:05.56MacGyverNLrcatwood: Google "debian fix bootloader" (without quotes). If the solutions that turn up is insufficient, you could try again.
19:06.03MacGyverNLs/is/are/
19:07.19Blondeso i apt-get remove gdm, and then it starts with only a console. and when i use startx, the gui will start?
19:07.53MacGyverNL"A" gui *might* start...
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19:08.47MacGyverNLBut not gnome display manager.
19:09.25wols_MacGyverNL: but gnome
19:09.26wols_usually
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19:09.44MacGyverNLNot if he apt-get removes gdm, right?
19:09.51porncakehey guys i have a problem
19:10.00abrotmanrcatwood: i have a machine that does that .. but eventually boots
19:10.01porncakeim using securecrt to connect to my shell
19:10.05rahulwhat does gdm have to do with starting gnome?
19:10.08porncakeand all the gui's look weird
19:10.13porncakehow do i change that ?
19:10.18wols_MacGyverNL: why not?
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19:10.31grotonhi all. I would stop to let anyone else (but my udev rule) to handle /dev/fd0 and /dev/hdd (which is my CDROM). For this purpose i would like to remove "discover1" package. Is it a good idea, or discover1 is useful for lot of other things?
19:10.31porncakehow do i change the charset so it shows up normal in a ssh session using securecrt
19:10.41rcatwoodabrotman: approximately how long do you have to wait?
19:10.48abrotmanrcatwood: a minute or so
19:10.49rahulporncake: don't use a latin-1 font
19:11.00porncakeim not im using terminal
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19:11.06porncakein screen it shows up even worse
19:11.09MacGyverNLwols_: Sorry, misunderstood your last statement.
19:11.10wols_groton: discover1 is deprecated
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19:11.22wols_groton: it's not needed anymore
19:11.22grotonwols_, ok, i will purge it then! Thanks.
19:11.24rahulporncake: this makes no sense... does putty work?
19:11.38MacGyverNLHowever, couldn't you just remove gdm from runlevel 2 without uninstalling the package?
19:11.43wols_groton: it won't fix your problem. udev alone is allowing access by setting perms
19:11.51rahulMacGyverNL: why bother having it installed if you don't want to use it?
19:12.17porncakewols not in screen
19:12.22porncakescreen is where it goes wrong
19:12.34grotonwols_, dpkg -s discover1 just says it is "optional", and the word deprecated is not mentioned (using sid/lenny here).
19:12.37wols_porncake: did I talk to you?
19:12.38BlondeOK, so i dont want that. I dont want to uninstall anything. I just dont want to load the graphical engine when i boot the system. How do i disable this ?
19:12.41porncakeoh sorry :)
19:12.52porncakerahul i ment
19:13.02rahulBlonde: why do you want to have something installed that you don't want to use?
19:13.08rahulporncake: in putty?
19:13.15wols_!tell groton about hotplug
19:13.23rahulporncake: I don't know what's up with your apps and how they interact with screen, then
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19:13.37Blondei _do_ want to use it, just not always
19:13.37themilldpkg: tell porncake about ssh linedraw
19:13.44porncakethank you
19:13.46MacGyverNLBlonde: Sorry, my statements have led to some confusion here. Gdm is unneccesary if you don't want the graphical engine to load on boot. Therefore, you can uninstall it. gdm and gnome (the actual desktop environment) are two different things.
19:13.54rahulBlonde: you want to use a graphical login sometimes?
19:14.00Blondeyes
19:14.03rahulBlonde: why?
19:14.06rcatwoodabrotman: any idea what's going on during underscore-flashing?
19:14.21MacGyverNLBlonde: Usually, you would log in on the CLI and use startX after already being logged in.
19:14.26rahulBlonde: why not just login using the console always and start the gui when you want it?
19:14.31Blondebecause i'm too noobish to do everything using the conosle
19:14.33themillBlonde: leave gdm running; use Ctrl+Alt+F1 for text login, Alt+F7 to back to graphical.
19:14.54Blondeyeah
19:14.58porncakedpkg: locales
19:14.58dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
19:14.59Blondei do that now
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19:15.09rahulBlonde: it's more difficult to start the graphical login than it is to start X from a console login
19:15.17Blondebut then the graphical device is still active, using a lot of resources
19:15.28grotonwols_, you said me "discover1" is deprecated, "hotplug" in my opinion is deprecated too, since it is replaced by udev, so I should use udev alone, do you agree?
19:15.30Blonderahul, thats exacly what i want
19:15.36Blondejust login using the console
19:15.42wols_Blonde: if you want to start gdm again you need sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
19:15.43Blondeand start X+gnome when i want it
19:15.43rahulBlonde: then remove the graphical login app
19:15.49porncakethemill: what should locales be set to?
19:16.02porncakefor linedraw
19:16.04porncakein screen
19:16.28pozicBlonde: so, you want to fill in your user name and password on the command line and then let gnome autostart?
19:16.38themillporncake: a swedish UTF-8 locale.
19:16.58Blondehaha no no no
19:17.03Blondei just want a terminal server
19:17.09porncakethemill: thank you
19:17.09Blondeno shit
19:17.13rahulwhat is a terminal server?
19:17.18Blondeok
19:17.19MacGyverNLBlonde, like I said, I think I've caused some confusion. gdm is the login application which actually starts the graphical environment on boot. Gnome is the desktop. You can uninstall gdm, thus stopping loading the graphical environment on boot, and use startx from a logged in terminal to start gnome.
19:17.28pozicis confused
19:17.47rahulif you want to plug in dumb terminals, that's completely irrelevant to the monitor connected to the video card
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19:18.02BlondeMacGyverNL, and then if i do startx, it starts x and gnome, just like it does now?
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19:18.10nabGreetings..
19:18.14MacGyverNLBlonde: Yes, only you won't have to log in *again*.
19:18.18porncakethere is no swedish choice in locales
19:18.18rahulit might start with gnome, if that's what your X session does
19:18.20Blondeok
19:18.20Blondetnx
19:18.28nabWhat is the preferred method of disabling kernel ring buffer (dmesg) output to console..?
19:18.31Blondeim gonna try that now
19:18.35rahulman xsession for details
19:18.47nabI seem to recall you can do this /etc/syslog.conf
19:18.59phorce1Can IE6 be made to work well under WINE on Debian Lenny? (couple of web sites I need insist on IE <sigh>) A simple yes or no is all I need. No time to work on it now, just need to know if I should try later.
19:19.02nabBut I also remember there was a CLI method to do the same thing.
19:19.05nabAny ideas..?
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19:19.31pozicphorce1: check appdb on winehq.org for IE6
19:19.40phorce1pozic: thx
19:20.09pozicphorce1: for some applications you need to apply patches to make it work.
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19:21.00xingunab: /etc/default/klogd: -c ...
19:21.10porncakegoogle told me this was a linedraw problem, that in 'screen' it doesnt show the lines but letters instead, any ideas on how to fix?
19:21.12nabxingu: Ahh yes..
19:21.17nabxingu: Many thanks. :-)
19:21.21xingunab: alternatively you can set the kernel printk level via sysctl
19:21.24wasabigood scriptable way to get the IP address of a given device?
19:21.27xingunab: I prefer the former
19:21.35nabxingu: Double thanks. :-)
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19:22.35wols_porncake: not really. anecdotal evidence says on a heavy javascript intranet site which I wanted it for it works for about 5-10 minutes and then swaps the machine to death
19:22.43wols_phorce1: ^^
19:22.49wols_phorce1: but look for IE4Linux
19:23.11xinguwols_: it does that under 'doze too, so that's reasonably faithful emulation
19:23.21wols_xingu: please troll elsewhere
19:24.01porncakewols: ?
19:24.15wols_phorce1: I tested it under etch wine and wine 1.0, same result
19:24.32dondelelcaro!tell wasabi -about what is my ip
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19:25.01phorce1wols_: Thanks, I'll poke around. I'm a U-Haul dealer and their site won't work with any other browser I've tested so far. Plus at least one of my "pay your bill online" (Time Warner Cable I think)
19:25.01dondelelcarodpkg: what is my ip is <reply> see myip
19:25.03dpkgI think you lost me on that one, dondelelcaro
19:25.04dondelelcaro!tell wasabi -about what is my ip
19:25.18dondelelcaro!tell wasabi -about myip
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19:25.28dondelelcaroremembers now why he didn't have the what is my ip alias
19:25.49phorce1porncake: That bit from wols_ was intended for me
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19:26.32dondelelcarophorce1: in general though, you can use greasemonkey to fix the site to work with firefox/iceweasel, so long as it doesn't use activex controls
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19:28.31phorce1dondelelcaro: U-Haul is *ugly*. I have no idea what they are using on the back end. I poked at it for a day a few months ago then they started doing "updates" every couple of weeks changing the look-and-feel and adding functionality. I'd have to "fix" FF daily almost
19:29.01dondelelcarophorce1: oh; if it's undergoing that rapid of development, you could probably request that they test it with FF in their QA procedures
19:29.22phorce1*knew* this wasn't a yes/no question. <heh>
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19:30.03abrotmanrcatwood: nope, it eventually booted, so I didn't look any further into it
19:30.22wols_phorce1: if you MUST use IE, use virtualbox in seemless mode with a light windows running as a VM
19:30.33wasabihaha nice
19:31.08wols_phorce1: that's maximum compatibility with the expense of RAM but RAM is cheap
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19:32.21phorce1dondelelcaro: They aren't interested. And on a base FF install I get the login page -- that works -- I get the "select action" page --- then when I try to go to the pages where I can actually do rentals etc I get "DONE" (blank page). The site uses .aspx <--- is that an activeX backend?
19:32.27Zenoxraid5 is degraded upon reboot. /proc/mdstat shows that one disk isn't even considered even though it's in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.  mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows the disk "removed"... why isn't it in the array after reboot and how can i add it again?
19:32.47wols_phorce1: no it's just ASP that renders to html. kinda like php
19:33.19dondelelcarophorce1: *shrug*; sounds like a problem with the coders there, but best of luck regardless.
19:33.27phorce1wols_: Right now for maximum compatibility I use a WinXP box on a KVM. The WinXP box does nothing else, no other purpose.
19:33.55wols_phorce1: as I said: Virtualbox VM
19:33.58nvzI think this pidginIM stops scrolling when it loses focus or something.
19:34.01nvzits kinda annoying
19:34.13wols_phorce1: not in debian tho
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19:36.12phorce1Thanks all. I'll pick at it a bit when I have more time.
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19:43.38valdynZenox: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/whatever
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19:46.42jdahmhello, I am trying to use distcc with another machine and it is trying to use  x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc and this machine doesn't have it installed it seems.  What package do I need?
19:46.54jdahmI have gcc installed
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19:47.49tuserx86_64-pc  'looks' like a 64 bit version, are you running that ?
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19:48.05stewjdahm: is build-essential installed?
19:48.32jdahmhm, now that I think about it, the other computer may not be 64 bit after all
19:48.37wols_jdahm: is the other machine a 64bit distro?
19:48.44jdahmAMD Athlon(tm) XP 1500+ :P, probably not
19:48.55wols_crosscompiler then
19:49.36jdahmwols_: how does one use that?
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19:50.06wols_you need to make one
19:50.37jdahmbah, not going to do that
19:50.38jdahmthanks though
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20:02.18dustybindoes the extra features include the ability for mutt to read news:
20:02.19dustybinmutt-patched - the Mutt Mail User Agent with extra patches
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20:06.22Zenoxvaldyn: i already did that, but after rebooting the drive was removed from the raid
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20:06.57Zenoxvaldyn: i'm pretty sure it will connect to the raid again after adding it, but hmm, if i reboot it will be gone again?
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20:18.59elif1hi, what I have to do to join debian community as a developer ?
20:19.40dondelelcaroelif1: find something that you want to contribute to that needs doing, and start contributing
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20:20.14dondelelcaroelif1: when you've contributed a while, you can start the NM process to become a full-fledged developer
20:20.14dustybinwhat port does NNTP use?
20:20.28dustybinim trying to add this newsgroup but it doesnt connect:
20:20.30dustybincomp.os.linux.m68k
20:20.32dondelelcarodustybin: grep nntp /etc/servies; is your friend
20:20.41dondelelcaros/ie/ice/
20:20.41dustybinaye ok
20:20.53elif1dondelelcaro: ok, and what needs contribuiting is in general orphaned packages ?
20:21.29dondelelcaroelif1: all sorts of things: RC bugs fixed, important packages assisteted with, orphaned packages, documentation, website, etc.
20:22.06dustybini cannot figure this out
20:22.11dustybinif i do: telnet comp.os.linux.m68k 119
20:22.14dustybinor telnet comp.os.linux.m68k 563
20:22.20dustybinwhy isnt the port open on the news server?
20:22.26elif1dondelelcaro: my I ask if you are already a developer in debian and what package do you maintain or helps ?
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20:23.02dondelelcaroelif1: I am, and I maintain a bunch of perl packages, I'm also responsible for bugs.debian.org, and I work with the listmaster team.
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20:23.25dondelelcaro(part of the team responsible for bugs.debian.org, rather)
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20:25.18elif1dondelelcaro:thks, but a last question you have joined in this same way you are telling me ? There is something like an already developer guide or assist a new comer ?
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20:25.33dondelelcaroelif1: yes
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20:25.52j24hi
20:26.10dondelelcaroelif1: there's the nm guide, the developer's reference, and policy et al. which all help with this; there's also the development todo list.
20:26.46j24is someone can explain me why gnome is not dispo under unstable?
20:27.11dondelelcaroelif1: see http://www.us.debian.org/devel/join/ for more information
20:27.15dondelelcaroj24: "dispo"?
20:27.19elif1dondelelcaro: thks again.
20:27.23dondelelcaroelif1: np
20:27.34j24dispo = installable
20:27.49j24dispo = available
20:28.55dondelelcaroj24: it's available, and it should be installable. If it's not, you'll have to give the channel a link to a paste site with the full output of whatever command you were trying to run to install it that failed.
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20:29.56j24dondelelcaro: yes not installable
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20:30.59j24dondelelcaro: gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.20.2.4) but it is not going to be installed
20:31.16j24since 1 week and half
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20:36.32pickcoderdustybin: what does a port have to do with a Usenet group? I hope you're not trying to connect to it. You normally connect to a news server which can contain 40K+ groups.
20:37.02dustybinpickcoder: i cannot find the main server groups anywhere
20:37.12dustybinnot even on usenets website
20:37.13pickcoderwhat server are you connecting to?
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20:37.16dustybinany
20:37.24pickcodertry google groups?
20:37.24dustybinid like a nice linux one
20:37.32dustybinim using slrn
20:38.21pickcodertry your ISP's news server or pay for a news service
20:38.21dustybinoh i see
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20:38.21dustybinthey are not free, i didnt know that!
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20:38.21pickcoderthe ones that are free are normally very limited due to spam space
20:38.21dustybini see
20:38.24dustybinlearns
20:38.59pickcoderI dunno if google has an nntp service or not
20:39.00pickcoderthey may
20:39.53simonrvnyou can access nntp via their web ui, but dunno if they do the nntp: thing
20:39.54dustybindam my ISP doesnt support news groups :(
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20:40.26simonrvnmine does. i fetch stuff via leafnode
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20:41.11pickcodersimonrvn: I meant an nntp server on port 119, not a web interface to Usenet
20:41.20pickcoderit seems that they don't support NNTP
20:41.37simonrvntoo bad, would be nice
20:41.43pickcoder(not that spam prevention is an issue, considering the sheer amount of GG spam there is)
20:41.53simonrvnsometimes i just don't wanna use a browser...
20:41.58alexandrooshello, how do i set the default desktop manager (kdm or gdm) ?
20:42.01pickcoderI pay for giganews
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20:42.21pickcoderit's nice having a news server to use from anywhere
20:42.28pickcoderthe ISP limits your access to within the network
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20:43.17dustybinpickcoder: how much do you pay?
20:43.25pickcoderalexandroos: install one? if you have both, get rid of one
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20:43.31valdyn!dm
20:43.32dpkgDM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session.  <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers.  Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM..  Dungeon Master
20:43.39pickcoderaleksanteri: you can also remove the init script for one
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20:43.54aleksanteripickcoder, ehm?
20:43.58pickcoderdustybin: I don't remember. $40/month maybe
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20:44.00valdynalexandroos: dpkg-reconfigure the one you want or edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
20:44.07dustybinpickcoder: you are joking?! :-0
20:44.08pickcoderaleksanteri: sorry.. that was for alexandroos
20:44.12vsayikiranmy laptop is unable to suspend
20:44.13dustybinpickcoder: why so much
20:44.17alexandroospickcoder: ok i'll get rid of gdm then
20:44.19aleksanterik
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20:44.20j24is someone can explain me why gnome is not installable under unstable?
20:44.33simonrvnum, it is?
20:44.35vsayikiranplease help me what to do plz explain
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20:44.54alexandroosthank u valdyn and pickcoder
20:45.04vsayikirani'm not able to suspend my dell latitude laptop
20:45.12pickcoderdustybin: because I want to?
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20:45.52vsayikiranpreviously i was able to suspend my laptop and after i did a fresh installation using netinst cd i'm unable to do so
20:45.53dustybinpickcoder: i thought reading news would be next to nothing, not $40 a month, especially as some ISPs give you the service for free
20:46.26pickcoderdustybin: a reliable and fast news server that has long retention and a huge selection of groups is not going to be cheap
20:46.34dustybinaye ok
20:46.35pickcodershop around.. most of them offer trials
20:46.44stew!dm =~ s#..  Dungeon Master#.  or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers#
20:46.45dpkgOK, stew
20:46.53pickcoderif you find a cheap service that has your groups, go with them
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20:49.33mhallI am trying to run both iceweasel and iceape, and they both silently fail to start with no error output. How can I figure out what the hell is going on?!?
20:49.34pickcoderI used to host the comp.databases.pick group on my server at home for Pickies like myself to read/post
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20:50.17pickcoderI got tired of the relentless port abuse and dropped it.
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20:51.54moos3_can someone help me figure out why the lastest dist-upgrade for lenny has made my server not be able to ping anyone on my network including the routers on the network
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20:53.17pickcodermoos3_: no interfaces active?
20:53.27moos3_no they are bonded and active
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20:53.46moos3_i ping the router they are sitting on no problem
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20:54.46moos3_sorry about that
20:55.10_Progress_hi, audacious not work for me. I use debian sid. Any ideas why is that? I try to compile from source but the same error...  http://progress.myftp.org/pastebin/view.php?id=8
20:55.13hyppiasis it possible to make a directory on my installation USB stick one of the deb repositories ?
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20:55.18_Progress_http://progress.myftp.org/pastebin/view.php?id=9
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20:55.28moos3_its wried they is no rx or tx values
20:55.43_Progress_hyppias: yes...try google for local apt repo
20:56.03alexandroosI installed both gnome and kde. how do i completely remove gnome?
20:56.21_Progress_alexandroos: you don't want to do that
20:56.23_Progress_:P
20:56.34alexandroosi do _Progress_:p
20:56.57dustybinis there a way of reading groups.google.com from the terminal?
20:57.08moos3_lynx or elinks
20:57.12dustybinok
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20:57.57azexiancan someone tell me where I can get libc6 2.4? I can't find it on packages.debian
20:58.22cusco_what is soap_use_proxy ?
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20:58.27_Progress_alexandroos: try this: dpkg -r --force-all `dpkg -l | grep gnome | awk -F" " '{print $2}'`
20:58.39_Progress_but you dont want to do that
20:58.40_Progress_:P
20:58.54alexandrooswhat's that _Progress_?
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20:59.15alexandroosi mean the last part
20:59.16_Progress_you'll remove gnome
20:59.32pickcodergnome should have a meta package
20:59.43alexandroosyes pickcoder it does have
20:59.48alexandroosa metapackage
20:59.52_Progress_alexandroos: try with aptitude
20:59.59_Progress_and metapackage
21:00.07alexandroosdo i need to remove the metapackage?
21:00.12_Progress_aptitude must try to remove and dependencies
21:00.34alexandroosok thanx
21:00.40_Progress_hi, audacious not work for me. I use debian sid. Any ideas why is that? I try to compile from source but the same error...  http://progress.myftp.org/pastebin/view.php?id=8
21:00.46_Progress_http://progress.myftp.org/pastebin/view.php?id=9
21:00.50_Progress_anyone?
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21:01.26pickcoder_Progress_: looks like a bug in a plugin
21:01.46_Progress_i see him pickcoder .. but how to solve him
21:01.55azexiancan someone help me? need to get glibc_2.4 installed, the package I think I need is libc6 2.4, but I can't find it anywhere, does it exist?
21:01.56pickcoderYou're running Sid, you figure it out..
21:02.11_Progress_yeah...i suppose that answer
21:02.13alexandroos_Progress_: u are in big trouble:D
21:02.17pickcodercheck the BTS
21:02.33_Progress_i'll try to edit source
21:02.45_Progress_to completely broke audacious :P
21:02.57pickcoder"undefined symbol" is a pretty specific error
21:03.11_Progress_i know that
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21:05.03azexiancan someone help me with evtouch, which I startx with it enabled I get '/lib/tls/libc.so.6 version glibc_2.4 not found error, where can I get glibc 2.4?
21:05.33_Progress_azexian: from apt i guess
21:05.50_Progress_but you have one
21:05.51azexian_Progress_: it's not there
21:05.57azexianI have one?
21:05.59_Progress_I'm sure about that
21:06.14_Progress_dpkg -l | grep glibc
21:06.15dpkgii  | grep glibc                 2.5-5.1           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
21:06.19abrotmanazexian: etch has 2.3.x .. lenny/sid have 2.7.x
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21:07.03azexianabrotman: I have 2.3.x, anyway I could get 2.4 without having to break everything?
21:07.07abrotmanno
21:07.13abrotmannot in etch
21:07.23azexianabrotman: could I compile it?
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21:07.47abrotmani would recommend against that .. libc6 is one step above the kernel .. but less flexible in terms of changing it
21:07.51pythonichi! is skype under qemu even remotely feasible?
21:08.32azexianabrotman: what can I do then? I need to get evtouch working
21:08.57abrotmanazexian: 1) "upgrade" to lenny 2) a different distro
21:08.58pickcoderazexian: how did you install it
21:09.33_Progress_abrotman: is right
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21:09.36azexianpickcoder: for evtouch, I just copied the module into the X modules folder, it's all installed ok I think
21:09.47azexianabrotman: is there no other way?
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21:09.52_Progress_dont touch libc
21:09.52pickcodercompile it from source...
21:10.07azexianpickcoder: there's an idea...
21:10.15azexianpickcoder: would that work with my libc?
21:10.18pickcoderbuild a debian package.. and then use dpkg to install it
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21:10.36pickcoderazexian: I dunno. maybe?
21:10.52ay^what app is there to turn source to .deb?
21:11.01abrotman!mg
21:11.02dpkgA simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or  http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online).  Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
21:11.03ay^I keep forgetting
21:11.09azexianpickcoder: make build-dep right?
21:11.18_Progress_try linux from scratch to see how to compile libc but .... dont
21:11.27pickcoderif it is using a feature or symbol in 2.4 that's not in 2.3 then it won't work
21:11.33AwesomeGuy_how do I see all the packages I have installed
21:11.34azexianok, I'll just compile evtouch, I didn't think of that, thanks =)
21:11.35pickcoder(on etch)
21:11.47AwesomeGuy_nevermind
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21:17.54mhallI am trying to run both iceweasel and iceape, and they both silently fail to start with no error output. How can I figure out what the hell is going on?!?
21:18.16dondelelcaromhall: strace -ff iceweasel; should clue you in
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21:19.22mhalldondelelcaro: good call... looks like a SIGSEGV... ouch
21:19.30AwesomeGuy_I added RootLogin on to my proftpd conf file, but it still won't let me log in as root in ftp
21:19.42mhallwhat non-mozilla browser that works fairly well can I use to access BTS, and so on?
21:19.45dondelelcaromhall: that usually means that you don't have the right xul installed, or some random xul.
21:20.00AwesomeGuy_mhall, Epiphany I guess
21:20.05AwesomeGuy_it comes with debian
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21:20.18wols_epiphany is based on gecko
21:20.23wols_mhall: konqueror
21:20.24dondelelcaromhall: midori or any of the webkit browsers will work.
21:20.37mhalldondelelcaro: i'd have figured that the deps would pull in acceptable libraries
21:20.47AwesomeGuy_I added RootLogin on to my proftpd conf file, but it still won't let me log in as root in ftp
21:20.48wols_dondelelcaro: interesting how apple usurped the khtml name
21:21.05dondelelcaromhall: they should, but that doesn't prevent you from having the wrong copies sitting around
21:21.53wols_mhall: did you have something mozilla installed in /usr/local/?
21:22.07mhalldondelelcaro: only thing matching "dpkg --get-selections | grep -i xul" is xulrunner-1.9... system is very fresh... less than a week old, just apt-getting the basics onto it as of today
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21:22.34mhallwols_: no... i don't believe in non-debian packages unless forced
21:23.14dondelelcaromhall: hrm... well, that's the right one, and it works fine here. Did it just start failing?
21:23.56mhalldondelelcaro: iceape and weasel packages did not exist on system prior to today's first attempt to install and run it... never worked from the very beginning
21:24.16dondelelcaromhall: and this is lenny or unstable?
21:24.22mhalldondelelcaro: unstable
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21:24.50mhallthe weird thing is, i have got another unstable box that was not a new install, but has been dist-upgraded, and it works OK
21:25.02mhallso it's puzzling me what would be different between them
21:25.29dustybinimagine a terminal based tool what can list and organize all of google groups nice and clearly
21:25.34dustybinwouldnt that be nice
21:25.53dustybinyou can use links, but it looks a mess
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21:26.05dondelelcaromhall: do you have plugins installed?
21:26.37dondelelcaromhall: almost all of the reported "failure to start" segfaults are plugin related
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21:27.19mhalldondelelcaro: nope... totally boring plain jane... never even got the browser to plug-innable running state ever
21:27.31mhalldondelelcaro: i can grep for anything installed with plug in its name
21:27.58mhalldondelelcaro: only plugins are for konqueror or kde's kio... nothing for ape or weasel
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21:28.42dondelelcaromhall: including sun's java or xine-plugin?
21:29.38mhalldondelelcaro: nothing incl java in its name installed. nor xine.
21:29.58dondelelcaromhall: turn on coredumps and install the various -dbg libraries then, and try to get a backtrace.
21:30.11dondelelcaro(it's almost certainly in xul somewhere, but hard to say)
21:30.39dondelelcaromhall: then check the reported bugs, and/or file a new one
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21:31.08theacolyteQuick question I hope, I just installed phpmyadmin via apt-get and when I browse to domain.com/phpmyadmin I get a 404
21:31.15theacolyteFrom what I can tell, configs are correct
21:31.28dondelelcarotheacolyte: have you reloaded apache? did you check what the logs say?
21:31.48theacolyteReloaded, yes
21:31.50theacolyteLet me check my logs
21:32.25theacolyteactually what's interesting is it says specifically, The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server.
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21:33.20theacolytedondelelcaro: [25/Jun/2008:14:39:15 -0700] "GET /phpmyadmin/ HTTP/1.1" 404 305
21:33.29pickcoderdustybin: RSS
21:33.36mhalldondelelcaro: sweet... i found something in BTS
21:33.42dustybinpickcoder: now theres an idea
21:33.56mhalldondelelcaro: just blow away .mozilla, and it began to work again... o_O
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21:36.15theacolyteI'm stumped
21:36.23theacolyteI guess I'll install it manually
21:36.28theacolytePerhaps the package is bad
21:36.30pickcodertheacolyte: try SSL?
21:36.49theacolyteNot running SSL
21:37.07pickcoderI meant the link
21:37.36theacolytepickcoder: Such as https://domain.com/phpmyadmin?
21:37.42pickcoderyeah
21:37.48theacolyteYeah, I'm not running SSL
21:38.06theacolyteI could turn it on I suppose, but I don't have a cert either, so then I'd have to self sign one, etc,etc
21:38.06pickcoderthat doesn't mean that the phpmyadmin config didn't enable the port and listen on it
21:38.21pickcoderI have it installed on a machine somewhere..
21:38.24pickcodertrying to find it
21:39.09theacolytelsof -i | grep 443 yields nothing
21:39.20pickcoderI guess I dumped it
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21:39.50theacolyteit's cool
21:39.58theacolyteI know that if I manually install it, it works
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21:42.22dutchfishi have booted a EM64T system from tftp with a debian installer kernel lenny in rescue mode. How can i on the remote tftp server wich is a i386 system get a basic setup for EM64T arch with dbootstrap to setup?
21:44.23dutchfishi know how to do it with chroot with i386, but i cant chroot and install a EM64T arch on a i386 machine cant i?
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21:46.46dondelelcarodutchfish: set it up on an emt64 machine and rsync it over or similar.
21:46.50pickcoderyou wouldn't be able to boot it
21:46.54pickcoderbut you can store the files
21:47.09dutchfishpickcoder, how?
21:47.16pickcoderas dondelelcaro suggested
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21:47.30pickcoderor find an amd64 system image
21:47.48dutchfishthat i cant the EMT64 is a headless, diskles brick ... sort off
21:47.51pickcoderhas no experience with dbootstrap, though
21:48.02dondelelcarodutchfish: you don't have to run amd64 on that machine, btw.
21:48.40dutchfishdondelelcaro, so chroot and install i386, boot the EM64T with it and convert it to EM64T?
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21:49.09dondelelcarodutchfish: no, just don't even bother to use the amd64 architecture on it.
21:49.24dutchfishdondelelcaro, i need it
21:49.57dondelelcarothen boot it with i386, and use it to debootstrap a second chroot, then boot the second chroot, or similar.
21:50.03dutchfishdondelelcaro, i have not 1 but ~40 bricks with 8G ram in it
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21:50.19pickcodernice farm
21:50.24dutchfishrighty
21:50.43pickcoder1U slots?
21:51.08dutchfishpickcoder, 6 bricks in 1 U space
21:51.32pickcoderhrm..
21:51.54dutchfishthe backend is iSCSII over ethernet
21:52.14pickcodernotes about managedflash working over iSCSI
21:52.26dutchfishiat
21:52.42dutchfishhowever thats intel one time go
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21:52.57dutchfishso, what are my options?
21:53.36pickcoderI'd probably install a base setup on the EM64T box and then copy it over
21:53.42pickcoderonly have to do it once
21:54.17dondelelcarodutchfish: get an x86_64 machine running somehow, then use it to mount the remote filesystem, and debootstrap it.
21:54.27dutchfishmm... maybe 1 live system and mount the remote tftp dir and copy it over or sort a like
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21:54.49dondelelcarodutchfish: you're using nfs or something on the backend, right?
21:54.54dutchfishmm... i gues my problem stays the same
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21:55.02dondelelcaro(surely the tftp is just for distributing the kernel?)
21:55.05dutchfishdondelelcaro, yes
21:55.25dondelelcarodutchfish: right, so just get any x86_64 machine running, and you can debootstrap a chroot using it.
21:55.45dondelelcarodutchfish: you'll probably want one with a head around anyway so you can manage the chroot
21:55.55dutchfishdondelelcaro, yup, but i havent one (at least not atm) ... hammer me onmy head ;)
21:56.02pickcoderserial?
21:56.15dondelelcarodutchfish: well, you can easily get one of those machines up with a head or via i386 network boot or similar.
21:56.20dutchfishpickcoder, only usb, no cdrom, no spave
21:56.26dutchfishs/spave/space
21:56.36dondelelcarodutchfish: and no slots either?
21:56.40pickcoderusb-serial
21:56.44Supaplexanything wrong with oftc?
21:56.45dutchfishdondelelcaro, right
21:56.55dondelelcaroSupaplex: nope
21:56.55dutchfishpickcoder, goon
21:57.06pickcoderhey it works...
21:57.11pickcoderI have a Wyse-60 here if you want it
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21:57.19pickcoder:P
21:57.20dutchfishpickcoder, go on
21:57.52dutchfishpickcoder, i have a teletype 900 .... hey (light)
21:58.21dutchfishpickcoder, thanks!
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22:00.35dutchfishpickcoder, no change to get into the box with ssh when it is in busybox state?
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22:01.03dutchfishpickcoder, no
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22:02.38pickcodereh?
22:03.05pickcoderoh.. you want to ssh in to busybox
22:03.09pickcoderI don't think so
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22:03.32pickcoderI think I tried that once without luck
22:03.40pickcoderdoesn't mean it's impossible, though
22:03.41dutchfishok
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22:03.47ddaltonenouf: around?
22:04.13dutchfishpickcoder, or from rescue mode?
22:04.36pickcodernot sure. I've never needed a rescue mode that required SSH access
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22:05.52xushihi all, just a quick question
22:05.54xushimy GCC is upgraded from 4.1 to 4.3, and trying to install nvidia drivers complain that my kernel is compiled with gcc 4.1.. how can i fix this?
22:05.57xushii mean, the kernel i didn't compile myself.
22:06.43gkiagiaxushi: CC=gcc-4.1 ./NVIDIA-...
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22:06.50themill!nvidia compiler fix
22:06.51dpkgTo solve the nvidia installer complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc  But use the debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks>, or try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 and use your regular compiler (that might work...)
22:06.54pickcoderbbl
22:08.01xushiso it's the kernel i temporarily downgrade, and not the kernel i update
22:08.17xushiit's the GCC i temporarily downgrade, not the kernel i update *
22:08.18dutchfishno
22:08.21miksuhxushi: use debian packaged nvidia drivers instead of nvidia installer
22:08.35xushimiksuh: i spent the last 2 days trying and well fed up of that solution
22:08.36gkiagiawell, dpkg said all the other ways, except the easier one...
22:08.54miksuhxushi: well it has always worked just fine here
22:09.22xushimiksuh: some bloke here suggested i go testing to fix an issue i had.. its fixed, but now i cannot install nvidia-glx because it uninstalls Xorg for some reason
22:09.25streunerdpkg why nvidia-installer sucks
22:09.25dpkgnvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia compiler fix>.
22:09.34xushiand very buggy too to install/uninstall nvidia-glx
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22:11.23MrBrushis there some standard function in linux which makes a md5 encrypted from a normal string?
22:11.46exobyteI deleted a truecrypt .tc container before dismounting it (the .tc -> /dev/mapper "mount").  Now df is misreporting free space.  I tried to dismount it, it did, but the space is still getting misreported
22:11.58amphiMrBrush: md5sum?
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22:12.27MrBrushamphi: how?
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22:13.01exobyteMrBrush: echo "Hi, world!" | md5sum
22:13.26xushisee ya tomorrow guys. i'm off zZz
22:13.35xushinvidia finally works
22:13.36xushi:)
22:13.42Supaplexxushi: it's not like you can't roll your own. http://rafb.net/p/e0cMNE40.html  mine works pretty well, but sometimes x11 crashes when I switch to console.  Usually not an issue here.  I have a bad power switch (always on) on my second monitor.  The KVM has OSD, so screen0 doesn't know when to sleep.
22:14.08xushiouch
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22:14.22xushiwell, i'll look into that when i have the time.. but for now, i'm happy with what i have
22:14.26dutchfishMrBrush, http://nl.php.net/md5
22:14.33xushieventually i'll give it a clean reinstall and keep it as stable
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22:15.33dutchfishMrBrush, php4-cli
22:15.43sharp15is there an installation faq for java (and i assume a plugin for firefox) ?
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22:16.52dutchfishsharp15, you mean installing java-gcj-compat-plugin ?
22:16.54monkeyBoxIf I set sshd logging to VERBOSE,  where does it log to?  I can't find the log file...
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22:17.40sharp15dutchfish: i've got a website that is asking for java.  beyond that i'm not sure what i'm looking for.
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22:17.55themilldpkg: tell sharp15 about install java
22:17.58dutchfishsharp15, javascript or java app?
22:18.09sharp15dutchfish: java app.
22:18.16sharp15i think.  one sec.
22:19.31sharp15apparently it was javascript. my parents can't be bothered to read.
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22:20.12sharp15themill: thank you.  that will probably become helpful at a later time.
22:20.13themillsharp15: ahh... gotta love that
22:20.18themillno worries
22:21.13dutchfishsharp15, basically apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin (on etch)
22:21.41dutchfishsharp15, its in non-free i believe
22:22.09dutchfishsharp15, for jave
22:22.17dutchfishs/jave/java
22:23.01sharp15i found it.  themill sent me some info. via dpkg
22:23.09sharp15thanks for making sure though.
22:23.13dutchfishah ok
22:23.39themilldutchfish: you need backports.org for java6 on etch
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22:23.56dutchfishthemill, thank you
22:24.07themilldutchfish: just making sure :)
22:24.15dutchfish:)
22:24.28dutchfishthemill, i havent used it in a long time
22:24.31sharp15i'm using lenny. so no problems here.
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22:24.41hg87ello
22:24.41themillall good then
22:25.44dyekHi, if I have i486 upstream binary tarball, can I build a .deb package on an i586 machine and have the package marked as i486?
22:26.05dutchfishdyek, yes
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22:27.11dyekdutchfish: Would you elaborate for me please?
22:27.30hg87are packages which are only avaible as deb-src not listed in apt-cache search?
22:28.10dutchfishdyek, at the top of my head there is a arch option
22:28.12streunerany package is available as source in Debian
22:28.22dutchfishdyek, bin package
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22:28.51streunerhg87: otherwise its non-free
22:28.52Supaplexhg87 is asking if apt-cache search applies to deb-src entriees too, which I believe it does not. I'm not certian though.
22:28.57hg87streuner: yes, that's clear, but when i make an entry in the sources list, with just the src branch, if these packages are listed in the apt-cache search, or not.
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22:29.09dyekI looked at dpkg-architecture already, but I haven't figured out how to use it -- it didn't work so far.
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22:29.47streunerhg87: why someone would need only deb-scr lines?
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22:30.08hg87strawks: maybe for just a "simple sid backport".
22:30.11Supaplexstreuner: I would like it on machines I do backports on.
22:30.55smthhi, what's the command which can have you  enable or disable any services from the interface on debian? it's like the command 'setup' on other linux.
22:31.03hg87Supaplex: but i'd also like to be able to search in those packages, which are just available as source.
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22:31.22dutchfishdyek, dpkg-buildpackage accepts the -a option and passes it to dpkg-architecture.
22:31.24streunerhg87: scroll up
22:31.51streunerhg87: we told you already, every package out of "main" is available as source
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22:32.02Supaplexhg87: my partial work around to that is to install different dists in chroot areas (vserver guests actually), and run searches in there.
22:32.15Supaplexthat's not what he was asking
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22:32.33hg87streuner: it seems that you don't understand my question.
22:33.04Supaplexhg87: you're free to use packages.debian.org to search anything though :)
22:33.11dyekdutchfish: I tried with "-ai486". That didn't work; it gave: unknown Debian architecture i486...
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22:33.35dutchfishdyek, i believe its ai386 for 486 even
22:33.41hg87Supaplex: yes, i know that page, but it would be cool if some command-line tool would be able to search in these package lists.
22:33.41Supaplexis off to work - lunch is ovah
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22:34.01hg87Supaplex: thanks
22:34.08Supaplexnp
22:34.16dutchfishdyek, or you could althernatively do: CC=i386-gnu-gcc dpkg-architecture -c debian/rules build
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22:34.54dutchfishdyek, err: -a i386
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22:35.47dyekdutchfish: I have prebuilt-binaries tarball that I want to package and mark as *_i486.deb
22:36.20dutchfishdyek, did you try -a i486 (i am not sure if thats gona work)
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22:37.15obnauticusheh, i get this error when trying to run # `apt-get upgrade php5-common` : http://rafb.net/p/y6vk2m92.html
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22:39.43obnauticus:(
22:39.55Jygga"No space left on device" ?
22:40.24Jyggayou did apt-get upgrade and thus its trying to upgrade your whole system
22:40.26obnauticusi gues, i just cleared out /tmp
22:40.38obnauticusi guess it's tiem for a upgrade anyway then
22:40.39obnauticuslmao
22:40.46obnauticusi origionally just wanted to upgrade 1 package
22:40.46dragonballzhi guys
22:40.55obnauticusbut i guess if i need to upgrade this many things i might as well anyway
22:40.56Jyggawell thats not the way you do it afaik ^^
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22:41.12obnauticushow then
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22:45.42hg87hello
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22:46.06Jyggaobnauticus just do apt-get install package
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22:46.24vltHello. How can I re-read the partition table of a hd that's currently in use?
22:46.51Level2TecAny of you linux geniuses use shorewall
22:46.55dutchfishvlt, fdisk -l
22:47.06dragonballzi am trying to setup nfs in my etch box which has NTFS partition but it doesn't allow me write/read. heck it doesn't even do ls. there's something i might be doing wrong. anyone?
22:47.10Level2TecI just heard about it I was wondering if its good or if its a piece of shit
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22:47.24vlt`sfdisk -R /dev/sda` gives me "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy"
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22:47.53dragonballzthe nfs client-> ubuntu. nfs server-> etch. if there's anything i can paste, le me know
22:48.00Level2TecI dont think you can write to an ntfs partition with linux
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22:48.11vltdutchfish: How can I tell the kernel that there's a new partiton?
22:48.31dutchfishvlt, is a fs on it?
22:48.37dragonballzLevel2Tec: if you mean nfs, then i am not sure but from debian i can.
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22:49.04Level2Tecdragonballz no I was talking about a locally installed drive
22:49.20dragonballz!tell Level2Tec about ntfs-3g
22:49.32JyggaLevel2Tec i just used it to build a pretty nifty router so several firms are able to use the same plotter without seeing each other, if you cant be bothered to build iptables the hard way its a godsend
22:49.39dutchfishvlt, you did make a partion with fdisk or cfdisk righ tnow, right?
22:49.40Level2Tecvlt just put the drive in another computer and use samba
22:49.59Level2Tecthanks jygga
22:50.11dragonballzso am i running out of ideas here or what? :)
22:50.21Level2Tecbtw have you come across any good jiggs lately...lol
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22:50.53abrotmandragonballz: does an etch client work ?
22:51.15dragonballzabrotman: i can certainly try. hold on
22:51.23Level2Tecyou should be able to read the ntfs partition, but writing to it can cause probs
22:51.52vltdutchfish: Yes, just created a new partition on free space on sda.
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22:52.17dutchfishvlt, try sync sync and then cfdisk -l again
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22:52.58Level2Tecor get that ntfs-3g...like dragonballz suggested, It may be what youre looking for
22:53.22SerajewelKSif i want to run some apps that require lenny packages on my sarge server, should i just use a chroot or something like vserver or openvz?
22:53.43vltdutchfish: `fdisk -l` only lists partitions, right? I need to tell the kernel about it but `sfdisk -R ...` fails. Any idea?
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22:54.20dutchfishvlt, you need to create a filesystem ont he partition, did you do that?
22:55.06vltdutchfish: how can I do this when the kernel doesn't know it exists? (And WHY do I have to create a fs on it?)
22:55.36SerajewelKSbasically, is using vserver overkill?
22:55.45SerajewelKSand is there a "right way" to start services in a normal chroot on boot?
22:56.39dondelelcarovlt: if sfdisk -R fails, then you need to umount things or similar so that the kernel can safely reread the partition table.
22:56.44dutchfishvlt, if you created the partition the right way and a usable filesystem the kernel can mount it
22:56.46dondelelcarovlt: failing that, you need to reboot.
22:57.31baggendSerajewelKS: If you're talking about actually having system services running in either a virtual server or in a chroot, neither is good.
22:57.43vltdutchfish: I don't want to mount it.
22:57.49vltdondelelcaro: What do I have to unmont?
22:57.56SerajewelKSbaggend: which kind of services are you referring to?
22:58.09vltdondelelcaro: Everything on /dev/sda?
22:58.17baggendSerajewelKS: Basically daemons that you'd be running.
22:58.39baggendSerajewelKS: Running MySQL in a chroot for example, is less than ideal.
22:58.53SerajewelKSbaggend: it's not a "server" service if that is what you mean
22:59.03SerajewelKSbaggend: it's a client to other services
22:59.23baggendSerajewelKS: So just something you start up every once in a while when you need to use it?
22:59.26SerajewelKSbaggend: either way, i don't see the harm in running MySQL in a chroot.  performance should not be an issue.
22:59.35SerajewelKSbaggend: no, it is something that should be running 24/7
23:00.04Nylegood evening
23:00.18baggendSerajewelKS: The reason it's bad to do either is because maintenance becomes a real pain.
23:00.38SerajewelKSbaggend: i am aware of that.  maintenance is negligible in this case.
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23:00.56dragonballzabrotman: ok. it mounts OK but then when i do 'ls' inside /media/fntfs -> nada!
23:01.01husimonso debians grub has issues with 64bit lba doesn't it
23:01.03baggendSerajewelKS: In other words, I'd spend more time trying to find a good native solution. If you're absolutely sure you can't do it natively, then either a chroot or a lightweight virtual server will work equally as well.
23:01.04SerajewelKSbaggend: i'm just wondering if there is some preferred way to start things in a chroot from init scripts
23:01.10husimoni had to use lilo and then fdisk wouldn't talk to the disk
23:01.25baggendSerajewelKS: I prefer to use a virtual server since it minimizes interference with the native system.
23:01.32husimonweird stuff about physical and logical disk start and end don't match up
23:01.33abrotmannada?
23:01.49SerajewelKSbaggend: it requires a relatively new version of mono for a bugfix.  i suppose i could build it myself.
23:01.50baggendSerajewelKS: When your chroot shares things like /dev, etc, it can get messy in certain instances.
23:02.02SerajewelKSbaggend: nod, it should not even need to talk to /dev
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23:02.04husimontrying to make a separate smaller raid volume for the install and then the rest in raid 6 for storage
23:02.07dragonballzabrotman: /media/fntfs has a file called 'a' that i touched from ubuntu which was nfs client before you asked me to try from debian itself.
23:02.14baggendSerajewelKS: The rest of the system is currently running what? Etch?
23:02.22SerajewelKSbaggend: yes
23:02.42SerajewelKSbaggend: i am using virtualbox right now to experiment with vserver
23:02.51SerajewelKSso i don't start something i don't want to finish on a real server
23:02.54baggendSerajewelKS: I would just go ahead and install the updated packages from Lenny/Sid if it's possible. Lenny will be out Any Day Now(tm). :)
23:02.54abrotmandragonballz: i thought you said the ubuntu system couldn't connect ?
23:02.56dragonballzabrotman: the file 'a' was created like this $ cat > a (then type gibberish and ctrl+c) in nfs client
23:03.08SerajewelKSbaggend: no.  you never mix testing and stable.
23:03.20dragonballzabrotman: no ubuntu machine can connect but exactly same symptom as debian which mounts the nfs locally.
23:03.20baggendSerajewelKS: I do all the time. :)
23:03.22SerajewelKSbaggend: i'm not pulling in a new libc.  not when half my system will be upgraded to lenny.
23:03.29SerajewelKSbaggend: then you are running lenny, not stable
23:03.33dragonballzabrotman: 'ls' -> nada inside /media/fntfs
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23:03.39dragonballzi.e.
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23:03.51abrotmannada means permission denied? or nothing found ?
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23:04.03baggendSerajewelKS: The "if possible" bit before meant "if it doesn't require extreme measures like a new libc". :)
23:04.05dragonballzabrotman: nothing inside /media/fntfs
23:04.32baggend(I personally run Sid on my desktops, but most of my servers are running Etch with rebuilt Lenny packages as necessary)
23:04.44abrotmandragonballz: does it actually exist on the filesystem itself ?
23:04.55dragonballzabrotman: all the services were restarted nfs-common, portmap and nfs-kernel-server
23:05.34dragonballzabrotman: no nothing from the filesystem. the file 'a' which was done 'cat > a' in ubuntu. :(
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23:06.07dragonballzabrotman: done exportfs -ra multiple times with varying /etc/exports
23:06.08baggendSerajewelKS: Anyway, if it's not feasible to do a native solution and you really have to go with some sort of chroot/virtual server setup, I'd suggest the virtual server approach. I run Xen on my desktop specifically for things like that.
23:06.11abrotmanso if ubuntu didn't create it .. why would expect it to be there?
23:06.22abrotmandragonballz: touch /media/fntfs/foo
23:06.49baggendSerajewelKS: (The one big thing to consider is whether the app in question is going to need access to the host file system, etc. If it will, it might be a better idea to go with a chroot. But I prefer to use a virtual server whenever possible.)
23:07.08dragonballzabrotman: doing. just a sec
23:07.33dragonballzabrotman: permission denied
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23:07.40abrotmanas root?
23:07.47dragonballzabrotman: yes
23:07.50dragonballztouch: cannot touch `a': Permission denied
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23:08.03davi!seen dbe
23:08.03dpkgi haven't seen 'dbe', davi
23:08.04dutchfishdragonballz, did you mount with ntfs or ntfs3g?
23:08.10abrotmanyou're trying to export an ntfs drive via nfs ?
23:08.22Maliutaanyone using slapd with ssl on unstable?
23:08.30dragonballzdutchfish: this is fuse
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23:08.38abrotman!anyone use
23:08.39dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
23:08.43dragonballzdutchfish: which i am guessing is ntfs-3g
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23:08.57dragonballzabrotman: yes
23:08.57dutchfishdragonballz, guessing? mmmm
23:09.05dragonballzdutchfish: let me double check that
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23:09.10DawnLighti wish someone backported the virtualbox 1.6.2 release to amd64... is there some channel where i can bug people about this?
23:09.30dragonballzdutchfish: abrotman: also i'll do something at this end.. just a sec guys
23:09.37dragonballzthanks i appreciate it btw
23:09.56dragonballzi'll try normal ext mount instead of fuse
23:10.02dragonballzext3
23:10.17dragonballzs/mount/partition/g
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23:13.22davi!seen davi
23:13.22dpkgdavi is currently on #debian (6h 9m 42s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen davi'.
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23:14.52dragonballzabrotman: dutchfish: ok that's good. works on /home. ls gives me entries
23:15.06dragonballzbtw /home -> ext3
23:15.16dutchfishdragonballz, i gues ntfs got in your way
23:15.23abrotmani can only guess you mounted the ntfs badly
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23:15.47dragonballzabrotman: dutchfish looks like it. just a sec
23:15.49dragonballzthanks!
23:15.50dragonballz:)
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23:16.59SerajewelKSbaggend: the thing i don't like about xen is the virtual hard disk approach
23:17.07MaliutaI am having a problem getting TLS working on slapd in unstable, it seems to be related to the changes from linking with openssl to gnutls. Is anyone able to help me sort this out?
23:17.15SerajewelKSbaggend: vservers are nice because they use the host filesystem directly, so they take space as they need them
23:17.30dutchfishSerajewelKS, you use lvm2 with xen?
23:18.28dutchfishSerajewelKS, read access rocks on xen/lvm2
23:18.29SerajewelKSdutchfish: i also haven't messed around with lvm at all, so i have no clue what that would do for me
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23:19.06dutchfishSerajewelKS, kvm/qemu cant beat that atm
23:19.25SerajewelKSdutchfish: what exactly would the setup be?
23:19.35dutchfishSerajewelKS, you mean xen?
23:19.43SerajewelKSdutchfish: well how would lvm benefit me
23:19.59dutchfishSerajewelKS, performance/flexibility
23:20.05SerajewelKSdutchfish: specifically in this context
23:20.16SerajewelKSdutchfish: i know at a very high level some of the things it does but nothing specific
23:21.26dutchfishSerajewelKS, i use dif vm systems on daily basis, but on servers i prefer xen/lvm2 by far, the ease of setup, the security, performance is great, on desktops i prefer kvm/qemu, virtualbox sucks
23:21.57SerajewelKSdutchfish: heh, kvm and qemu look good but vbox seems to perform better and is so much easier to configure
23:22.22dutchfishSerajewelKS, nowadays kvm is also easy to setup and maintain
23:22.39SerajewelKSoh i was thinking of kqemu, not kvm
23:22.45dragonballzgreat now it's hung. i.e. the portmap and nfs-kernel-server..
23:22.56dragonballz>_<
23:23.04SerajewelKSdutchfish: anything specific you don't like about vbox?
23:23.06dutchfishSerajewelKS, and it is becoming really fast if your proc support it on > 2.6.25-8
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23:23.21SerajewelKSdutchfish: 2.6.25 is teh suck
23:23.32SerajewelKSdutchfish: i have never used a more unstable kernel
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23:23.47dutchfishSerajewelKS, its painfully slow compared to kvm, before 2.6.25 it was th eother way around
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23:24.15SerajewelKS2.6.25 brings the awesome instability of firefox 3 beta 5 right into your own kernel!  for a limited time you too can experience processes that enter sleep forever, and be unable to start any new processes!
23:24.20dutchfishSerajewelKS, 2.6.25 is considered stable, and it is a great kernel for VMs
23:24.38SerajewelKSdutchfish: my personal experience says no
23:24.47SerajewelKSunless they fixed it in the last two weeks
23:25.07stiv2kUh, what languages support the =+ operator? Where you add to the right operand
23:25.07dutchfishSerajewelKS, i am not talking about bloatware, but the kernel itself
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23:25.10SerajewelKSsince going back to 2.6.24 i no longer have to reboot every three hours
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23:25.33SerajewelKSdutchfish: i know.  2.6.25 makes every damn process on my system enter sleep after a few hours and they never wake up.
23:25.49stiv2kSerajewelKS: 2.6.25 works way better than 2.6.24 ever did on my system ;)
23:25.55dutchfishSerajewelKS, roll your own and config it right
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23:26.03SerajewelKSall i know is since downgrading my computer is rock solid again
23:26.13dutchfishSerajewelKS, 2.6.25-8 is really much better
23:26.15SerajewelKSit would even hang apache
23:26.24SerajewelKSwhen did -8 get uploaded
23:26.31SerajewelKSi think i was on -4 or -6 or some shit
23:26.37SerajewelKSlet me check dpkg.log
23:26.58SerajewelKS2.6.25-2-amd64
23:27.14dutchfishSerajewelKS, i have no problems like that, but on servers i always use debian stable, i was merely talking about kvm/qemu on the desktop, thats a whole different thing
23:27.23SerajewelKSdutchfish: this is my desktop :)
23:27.34dutchfishSerajewelKS, apache on the desktop?
23:27.44SerajewelKSdutchfish: sure.  i'm a php developer, why not.
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23:27.55dutchfishSerajewelKS, mmm
23:28.05SerajewelKSdutchfish: plus i can stream my music to work without needing any complicated shit
23:28.11SerajewelKSDAAP my ass. HTTP FTW.
23:28.11dutchfishSerajewelKS, run it inside a VM ;)
23:28.28SerajewelKSdutchfish: heh i did think about that, but i actually installed mediawiki for personal notes and i use it regularly.
23:28.38SerajewelKSi may migrate my development to a VM
23:28.51SerajewelKSbut why mess with a working system
23:29.04dutchfishSerajewelKS, i prefer my desktop lean and mean and CLEAN
23:29.20zamuroffWhoa... I'm in quite a predicament here...
23:29.40zamuroffI'm trying to reinstall grub, but there is no grub command.
23:29.41zamuroffLOL
23:29.48SerajewelKSdutchfish: i prefer my servers that way.  desktops are negotiable.
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23:30.01zamuroffI'm chrooting right now.
23:30.21SerajewelKSzamuroff: uhm yes, you need to chroot first.  otherwise your PATH obviously won't contain it.
23:30.35dutchfishSerajewelKS, ok, we can go on for hours, its your party, but i tend to develop more and more in small VMs, specialized for the job
23:30.53zamuroffSerajewelKS: OK... Assuming i just can't google the answer... What should I do?
23:30.57SerajewelKSdutchfish: oh i'm not disagreeing with you
23:31.14SerajewelKSdutchfish: i'll give 2.6.25 a whirl, see how long my system remains alive
23:31.35squisherzamuroff, apt-get install grub? :-D
23:31.42SerajewelKSzamuroff: chroot and grub-install /dev/hdwhatever
23:31.48zamuroffsquisher: LOL...
23:31.52SerajewelKS!lol
23:31.53dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
23:32.03dutchfishSerajewelKS, make a low latency one, and latencytop with preemtive, you will like that surely
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23:32.20SerajewelKSdutchfish: heh, care to guide me? :)
23:32.24zamuroffSerajewelKS: unable to resolve host...
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23:32.36zamuroffThat's really odd...
23:32.36SerajewelKSdutchfish: i never know where to get .configs from
23:32.38dutchfishSerajewelKS, its more a mthe rof taste
23:32.45SerajewelKSzamuroff: yes it is odd, you shouldn't be doing anything with the network here
23:32.46dutchfishs/mthe/mather
23:32.49squisherSerajewelKS, just start with the stock debian one
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23:32.55SerajewelKSdutchfish: matter* ?
23:33.03dutchfishSerajewelKS, yes, thanks
23:33.06zamuroffSerajewelKS: Oh...
23:33.09SerajewelKSsquisher: which conveniently is not in the linux-source package
23:33.16zamuroffLemme give it a shot.
23:33.22obnauticusI have a question, for some reason my webserveR (apache2) is NOT reading .php even though the module IS loaded, and the mime type exists in /etc/mime.conf and the extension is registered in apache's configuration
23:33.22squisherSerajewelKS, but it's part of the linux-image, just check /boot
23:33.50SerajewelKSsquisher: so i have to install a kernel... to build a kernel... that makes a whole lot of sense
23:34.02obnauticusthe server just gives me the file to download
23:34.02SerajewelKSsquisher: i'd think it would be in some source package or something
23:34.20SerajewelKSobnauticus: did you restart apache?
23:34.28obnauticusyes.
23:34.30squisherSerajewelKS, heh, true enough, although I'd say it should be in both packages
23:34.37SerajewelKSsquisher: ditto
23:34.40obnauticusit's being ridiculous... i usually do NOT have problems installing php with apache
23:34.53obnauticusbut the deb peopel decided to make their release of apache on aptitude retarded
23:35.19SerajewelKSor at least give pdo the ability to fetch single files out of packages so i don't need to download the whole fucking 80mb kernel for the one file
23:35.27dutchfishobnauticus, apache2? check the rights of the php file maybe?
23:35.33obnauticusno, it reads it
23:35.36obnauticuswhen i try to goto the server
23:35.39obnauticusthe page*
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23:35.46obnauticusit just gives me the file for download
23:35.49SerajewelKSsquisher: i think it's in linux-headers-* too
23:35.55obnauticusthe server is not recognising the .php as a mime type
23:35.57obnauticusthat it can process
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23:36.15SerajewelKSobnauticus: to be honest i'd ask #apache
23:36.24obnauticusk
23:36.28SerajewelKSobnauticus: they'll probably have more expertise with this issue, and it sounds like an apache config problem.
23:36.30obnauticusthey usually never help though
23:36.31obnauticuslol
23:36.39SerajewelKSheh i've found them helpful the few times i've wandered in
23:37.03dutchfishobnauticus, try a2enmod phpx where x is your version
23:37.05SerajewelKSdutchfish: i have no clue where the hell you're getting 2.6.25-8 from
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23:37.10SerajewelKSdutchfish: sid has 2.6.25-2
23:37.51dutchfishSerajewelKS, its actually already 2.6.25.8 see: http://www.kernel.org/
23:37.59dutchfishSerajewelKS, 9
23:38.22squisherthat the distros drop the last version number of the kernel makes it pretty confusing IMHO
23:38.32squisherdoes anyone know if there is some reasoning behind that?
23:38.58themillkeep everyone on their toes?
23:39.05SerajewelKSdutchfish: it apparently hasn't hit debian then?
23:39.20dutchfishSerajewelKS, i cant tell for sure
23:39.33SerajewelKSdutchfish: ok so you are suggesting that i use the vanilla upstream?
23:39.54dutchfishSerajewelKS, for that VM desktop purpose kvm/qemu under lenny atm, yes
23:39.56squisherSerajewelKS, the .x of 2.6.25.x is never going to show up in debian, for some weird reason
23:40.11obnauticusdutchfish: Module php5 already enabled
23:40.16SerajewelKSdutchfish: hrm not sure i'm that devoted.  though i would like to build a preempting low-latency kernel
23:40.19obnauticusthe apache server is not processing the .php file as if it were  a php file.
23:40.21obnauticusthat is the problem
23:40.39themill!php wants me to download still
23:40.39dpkgCarefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x).
23:40.44themillobnauticus: ^^
23:40.56dutchfishobnauticus, then a2dismod php5 && a2enmod php5 && /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
23:41.20themillobnauticus: 9 times out of 10, the browser is to blame and you actually fixed it 20 minutes ago.
23:42.06dutchfishthemill, yes, the cache thingy from win...burp
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23:42.57themilldutchfish: crashweasel is pretty bad at it too
23:43.05squisherdoes anyone know a music player that has crossfade & cue sheet support? (non-kde please)
23:43.30dutchfishthemill, ephiphany with cache disabled ... ;)
23:43.45dutchfishthemill, its also faster
23:43.56SerajewelKSdutchfish: are these improvements in the 2.6.25 in debian?
23:44.07dutchfishthemill, but rumours say the new upcoming is as fast
23:44.19themillyeah well.. bring it on
23:44.49dutchfishSerajewelKS, tons, HT, xen, alot of optimizations, what not, read the journals
23:45.04SerajewelKSdutchfish: i wonder of one of those optimizations is screwing me over
23:45.08themilldutchfish: but caches are always going to be there in some form. Esp with "download" things as it's hard to hit reload on them as they were never dsplayed.
23:45.13SerajewelKSdutchfish: it really is bad for me
23:45.41dutchfishSerajewelKS, hard to judge in general, give me an example (kernelwise)
23:46.02SerajewelKSdutchfish: all i know is that my processes were entering sleep and never waking up, which sounds like an I/O bug
23:46.27dutchfishthemill, yep, but turning cache of (if you not behind a proxy) really helps development speed up
23:46.41themillyeah
23:46.53SerajewelKSdutchfish: apache would shit in the middle of serving a file and never finish, connections to apache would be accepted but never replied to (so the kernel TCP stack was ok)
23:47.03dutchfishSerajewelKS, acpi is userland not kernel
23:47.20SerajewelKSdutchfish: a ps showed apache stuck in S.  this would start happening to more and more processes until e.g. sshd would do the same and my session would hang.
23:47.29SerajewelKSdutchfish: wtf does acpi have to do with anything
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23:48.41SerajewelKSdutchfish: ok so question, how do i switch on this preempt and low latency stuff?
23:48.46dutchfishSerajewelKS, i dont like wtf's and yes it has to do with altered machine states, please read th emanuals
23:49.53SerajewelKSdutchfish: all that i know is on 2.6.24 i was fine and on 2.6.25 one process after the other gets stuck in sleep.  i'm not sure how that could *not* be kernel related.  if it's actually a misconfiguration and not a bug i would be damn surprised to see what kind of misconfiguration causes that catastrophic of an effect.
23:49.55themillA process going into a S state is unrelated to acpi.
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23:50.49SerajewelKSdutchfish: a process in S doesn't mean that i put my box to sleep.  it means the process is waiting for the kernel to wake it up.  it's either in a blocking I/O state or is wait()ing etc.
23:50.59SerajewelKSdutchfish: so the kernel was not waking up processes that had plenty to do.
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23:51.15dutchfishSerajewelKS, did you use HPET?
23:51.37SerajewelKSdutchfish: no clue, whatever is the stock default
23:51.39dutchfishSerajewelKS, CFQ?
23:51.53SerajewelKSdutchfish: here is what i did
23:52.05SerajewelKSdutchfish: (1) i installed 2.6.25  (2) processes slept
23:52.15SerajewelKSdutchfish: beyond that i have not touched the kernel
23:52.37dutchfishSerajewelKS, you must have at least runned with oldconfig right?
23:53.08dutchfishSerajewelKS, err, you didnt rolled your own
23:53.11SerajewelKSdutchfish: uhm i did not build the kernel.  as i said i used the stock kernel.  this means debian packaged kernels.
23:53.13themillSerajewelKS: you'd be better off asking kernel people about this rather than hassling people here. There's unlikely to be people who know enough about scheduler changes to be able to help you in #debian
23:53.28SerajewelKSthemill: i did ask ##kernel and was ignored
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23:53.35SerajewelKSthemill: i was just bringing it up, not asking for help
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23:54.02SerajewelKSthemill: but when i'm told that it's basically impossible for what i observed to happen...
23:54.24dutchfishSerajewelKS, do you have 64 bit in mind with an intel? then i cna help you with my .config
23:54.40SerajewelKSdutchfish: i am on amd64 if that is what you are asking...
23:54.44SerajewelKSso no, not intel
23:54.56dutchfishSerajewelKS, oh to bad
23:54.57roe_I have a board with an nforce mcp55 chipset and the ethernet module that gets loaded is the forcedeth module.  however I can't get the interface to dhcp
23:55.00themillSerajewelKS: If you brought it up in the way you are doing here, then I'm not surprised you were ignored. I've not been following closely, but you are coming across (intentionally or not) as being really aggressive about it.
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23:55.31SerajewelKSthemill: i'm not aggressive until someone tells me that it's not the kernel and i must have fucked up somewhere
23:55.46dutchfishSerajewelKS, thats not what i meant
23:55.50SerajewelKSwhich is how i intepreted the response i got when i said i couldn't use 2.6.25
23:55.57SerajewelKSso if that's not what you meant i apologize
23:56.02themillAhh the joys of a text-based laggy medium....
23:56.13SerajewelKSbut i struggled with this for two weeks before i figured out that it was the kernel update i installed
23:56.15abrotmanif he's compiling his own .. he should be asking ##kernel about options in the config
23:56.15themillBeers all around then?
23:56.21jelly-homeSerajewelKS: if you can reproduce the problem, even if you can't explain it adequately, you can use git bisect to figure out which kernel patch introduced it
23:56.41SerajewelKSjelly-home: i'm not *that* devoted to figuring it out :)
23:56.48SerajewelKSjelly-home: if it's not fixed by 2.6.26 then i will try that
23:56.59themillSerajewelKS: perhaps you should be if you want 2.6.26 to be better...
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23:57.02jelly-homeSerajewelKS: #debian won't be of much help anyway
23:57.05SerajewelKSbut i'm going to assume someone way more capable at kernel hacking than i am has experienced this too
23:57.27SerajewelKSi may as well query ##kernel again, maybe someone will be there this time
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23:57.37jelly-homeSerajewelKS: have you searched for, or reported it in the kernel bugzilla?
23:57.50dutchfishSerajewelKS, i have not had such issues (but there ar elots of issues in other conetxt i admit)
23:58.16wandanaHello Everyone, during deb-package installation (postgres) I still need to configure it, even when the y-option is set. How to tell apt-get to use default values without asking?
23:58.36SerajewelKSjelly-home: i've searched, but must not have used the right terms or something
23:58.38jelly-homemy machine at works hangs in interesting ways after ~5-6 days uptime with 2.6.25-2-686
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23:59.01jelly-homeSerajewelKS: ime bugzilla is notoriously hard to use
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23:59.39Achilleshi, i have the firmware for my bcm wireless card whats the command to install it?

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