| 00:00.56 | mxmx | yeah I am back in, should I reboot the server now? |
| 00:01.13 | \3TATUK | How can I enable 3D acceleration for an "ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133" on Debian Etch? |
| 00:01.25 | Lagbolt | well you might check to see if what ever you installed is installed with no probs, maybe dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 00:01.29 | Lagbolt | see if you have a nice "ii" |
| 00:01.49 | mxmx | i dont get anything with that command |
| 00:02.07 | Lagbolt | packagename <--- linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 00:02.23 | mxmx | duh |
| 00:02.26 | Lagbolt | you have to change that to what package you are looking at. i should have used foo lol |
| 00:02.59 | jelly-home | \3TATUK: that card doesn't have 3d capabilities worth mention |
| 00:03.18 | mxmx | R linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 |
| 00:03.25 | mxmx | tjats all it says |
| 00:03.38 | mxmx | and 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
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| 00:03.53 | jelly-home | mxmx: there's another letter in front of R |
| 00:03.57 | Lagbolt | R? |
| 00:04.12 | mxmx | iHR linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 00:04.21 | jelly-home | right |
| 00:04.34 | jelly-home | "half-installed, reinst.required" |
| 00:04.35 | mxmx | so that means........... |
| 00:04.47 | Lagbolt | means you prob lost connection in the middle of install |
| 00:04.57 | vertz | Hi, how do i do so my system is english and keyboard is norwegian(nb_NO.ISO-8859-1) ? |
| 00:05.10 | Lagbolt | maybe apt-get -f install . .. what do you think jelly-home |
| 00:05.30 | mxmx | should i try to reupdate? |
| 00:05.37 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: I don't think, it's 2am. Shouldn't have written anything |
| 00:05.41 | mxmx | all i ran was apt-get update |
| 00:05.52 | mxmx | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 00:06.07 | Lagbolt | mxmx, yeah run it again. i think you may have just lost connection |
| 00:06.13 | poseidon | mxmx, are you using testing or unstable? |
| 00:06.33 | mxmx | i have no idea what they installed |
| 00:06.37 | Lagbolt | mxmx, you should learn about "screen", you could run your stuff in a screen and then if you lose connection you can just log back in and reconect to the screen |
| 00:06.40 | streuner | mxmx: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:06.51 | Lagbolt | !tell mxmx about screen |
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| 00:06.59 | mxmx | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 00:07.58 | heitorfaria | Guys.... Some Debian servers from my park are having "connection reseted by peer", network problem. Any help?? Thanks in advance! |
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| 00:08.45 | mxmx | bah |
| 00:08.48 | mxmx | now i get E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 00:09.12 | streuner | so do so |
| 00:09.12 | Lagbolt | yeah mxmx , do that |
| 00:09.17 | mxmx | done |
| 00:09.24 | mxmx | i am gonna try reupgrading |
| 00:09.27 | mxmx | and then boot |
| 00:09.44 | mxmx | which I sholdnt ahve done in the first place ! |
| 00:09.54 | streuner | always have a rescue system handy |
| 00:10.07 | streuner | (Live-CD) |
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| 00:10.35 | pablo | hi, do you recommend using debian mplayer package or building it ourselves? |
| 00:10.57 | streuner | we recommend debian packages :-) |
| 00:10.59 | mxmx | the server is in amsterdam |
| 00:11.18 | mxmx | http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25410_Dibujo_122_929lo.JPG <---- this si the warning i get, how do i click on in command line? |
| 00:11.21 | streuner | mxmx: well, make sure the remote system is bootable at all then |
| 00:11.43 | mxmx | it is bootable, i've booted it before |
| 00:11.51 | streuner | mxmx: there is a nice article about in debian-adminstration |
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| 00:12.38 | mxmx | alt-o? |
| 00:12.38 | \3TATUK | jelly-home: I just want to be able to run OpenGL apps. I was able to do so when running Windows on this same hardware so I'm sure it can be done. |
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| 00:12.45 | streuner | pablo: if you don't have a certain reason, just use debian packages, less headaches :-) |
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| 00:13.41 | adama | mxmx: press enter, should work |
| 00:14.11 | pablo | streuner: yeah, ok |
| 00:14.39 | mxmx | adama it was alt+0 , enter wsant working |
| 00:14.41 | mxmx | now |
| 00:14.45 | mxmx | i have this window |
| 00:14.47 | mxmx | http://img206.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25625_Dibujo_122_593lo.JPG |
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| 00:16.12 | joshua- | hello |
| 00:16.19 | streuner | hi |
| 00:16.56 | joshua- | just wondering. i have a debian net install cd here, are there any methods of installing a 'hardened' version of debian with this? |
| 00:17.58 | streuner | just install the package |
| 00:18.09 | heitorfaria | Guys.... Some Debian servers from my park are having "connection reseted by peer", network problem. Any help?? Thanks in advance! |
| 00:18.12 | joshua- | package? |
| 00:18.14 | streuner | !listkeys harden |
| 00:18.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'harden' by key (10): #debian harden-doc ;; _default harden-doc ;; #debian harden ;; hardening ;; _default hardencrypt ;; harden ;; hardencrypt ;; _default hardening ;; _default harden ;; harden-doc. |
| 00:18.37 | joshua- | how do i get more info from the bot? |
| 00:18.50 | streuner | joshua-: basically its a package, its make your system "harden" |
| 00:18.55 | joshua- | okay |
| 00:18.58 | streuner | !harden |
| 00:18.59 | dpkg | well, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 00:19.10 | joshua- | whats the name of it? |
| 00:19.12 | joshua- | ok |
| 00:19.14 | joshua- | looks |
| 00:19.48 | streuner | heitorfaria: -vvv |
| 00:20.21 | streuner | heitorfaria: what kind of problems do you have *exactly", be more verbose |
| 00:20.24 | mxmx | ufffff , everything seems aback to normal after power-cycling |
| 00:22.00 | streuner | doesn't give a damn about harden at all, its cost money and time, you should know if you need that or not... |
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| 00:22.48 | joshua- | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:22.50 | joshua- | www.debian-hardened.org/his-first-huge-cock.html |
| 00:22.51 | joshua- | wtf |
| 00:23.13 | streuner | haha |
| 00:23.36 | gravity | geez |
| 00:23.39 | streuner | that's NOT an official debian website :-) |
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| 00:24.09 | streuner | gravity: hehe |
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| 00:25.49 | streuner | we don't know what other people recommend :-), but we recommend what kind of enemies you have... ;-) |
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| 00:26.25 | streuner | know what kind of enemies you have, and you know what kind of security you need... |
| 00:26.35 | mxmx | if i ran this command wget http://www3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20071007.tar.bz2, why do I get an error while running this command after: tar jxvf essential-20071007.tar.bz2 |
| 00:26.54 | joshua- | mxmx: its hard to answer without seeing the error... |
| 00:26.56 | joshua- | heh |
| 00:27.01 | mxmx | oh hold on |
| 00:27.06 | joshua- | i think im going back to OpenBSD> |
| 00:27.07 | joshua- | :/ |
| 00:27.15 | mxmx | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | good answer! |
| 00:27.34 | streuner | mxmx: just add debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list |
| 00:27.42 | mxmx | duh |
| 00:27.53 | streuner | essential package is in d-m |
| 00:27.57 | Bushmills | for bzip2 ?? |
| 00:28.20 | mxmx | wget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - | apt-key add - && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring ? |
| 00:28.23 | Bushmills | i'd rather say, install bzip2 |
| 00:28.28 | mxmx | ok |
| 00:28.39 | streuner | joshua-: better, turn off your PC and plug out i-net connection :-) |
| 00:28.58 | streuner | there is no security |
| 00:29.00 | heitorfaria | ->streuner<-: some network aplications just crash time by time |
| 00:29.04 | wols | streuner: you forgot the concrete block encasing and the dropping into the mariana trench |
| 00:29.14 | streuner | wols: hehe |
| 00:29.15 | heitorfaria | <>-streuner-<>: giving this connection reseted by peer error |
| 00:29.35 | Nyle | dm? |
| 00:29.37 | joshua- | heh |
| 00:29.39 | heitorfaria | <>-streuner-<>: also ssh.... but... after that time... everything works fine for a while |
| 00:29.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:29.43 | Nyle | dmm |
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| 00:29.59 | mxmx | done :D |
| 00:30.10 | Nyle | and you also need to install bzip2 |
| 00:30.14 | pablo | hi, i am having trouble with the fakeroot debian/rules binary comand |
| 00:30.15 | Nyle | you seem to not have it |
| 00:30.20 | streuner | heitorfaria: sorry, but with that kind of infos nobody are able to help you |
| 00:30.29 | Nyle | streuner, my man |
| 00:30.32 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:32.02 | heitorfaria | <>-streuner-<>: here is the deal: time by time (something like 15 minutes), the network seems to reset |
| 00:32.21 | streuner | dpkg, no su is <reply> The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (abbreviated USSR, Russian) |
| 00:32.22 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 00:32.23 | heitorfaria | =@>streuner<@=: and I receive this "connection reseted by peer" |
| 00:32.24 | mxmx | what does mv do? |
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| 00:32.35 | Moleboy | Hi. |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | heitorfaria: can't you use a colon like normal people ? |
| 00:32.54 | Moleboy | I'm about to run a server on debian--anything I should know? |
| 00:32.58 | Nyle | streuner, what are you doing? |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | Moleboy: uhm .. there's an install guide ? |
| 00:33.26 | streuner | Nyle: fix a wrong factoid which point to the command su ... |
| 00:33.35 | Moleboy | Well, anything generally...not tlaking about installations. |
| 00:33.37 | Moleboy | *talking |
| 00:33.37 | Nyle | but su == switch user |
| 00:33.40 | Nyle | not freakin ussr |
| 00:33.41 | Nyle | .. |
| 00:33.46 | Moleboy | Anything about debian I should be aware of? |
| 00:33.48 | Bushmills | mxmx: do you know that there is a man command to answer such questions? |
| 00:33.55 | crashanddie | Moleboy, it works |
| 00:33.59 | Moleboy | I'm not in it right now o.o |
| 00:34.13 | bokey | then you will be |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | Nyle: the prior value wasn't any better |
| 00:34.15 | streuner | Nyle: its not useful, if you are talking to the bot and su factoid give you an answer - > pass ... |
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| 00:34.34 | abrotman | streuner: yours is just as bad |
| 00:34.38 | mxmx | ./msg dpkg? |
| 00:34.44 | Nyle | streuner, yes I understand. Thank you for fixing the factoid, however what does 'su' have anything to do with USSR? |
| 00:34.53 | streuner | abrotman: feel free to edit it |
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| 00:35.13 | Bushmills | mxmx: no. at the command line of your debian box: man mv |
| 00:35.15 | streuner | Nyle: see <factoid> :-P |
| 00:35.18 | Nyle | dpkg no su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access |
| 00:35.19 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 00:35.33 | Nyle | streuner, don't do that again. |
| 00:35.39 | jelly-home | !factoid |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | factoid is probably something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 00:35.42 | streuner | idiot |
| 00:35.51 | Nyle | pokes streuner in the eye! |
| 00:35.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:36.08 | streuner | Nyle: don't make me smite you! |
| 00:36.18 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:36.28 | heitorfaria | ->abrotman<-: colon? |
| 00:36.38 | Nyle | ugly! eye sores! |
| 00:36.47 | Nyle | heitorfaria, your nick completion is massively irritating. |
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| 00:37.11 | heitorfaria | Nyle: sorru |
| 00:37.13 | jelly-home | why ž? |
| 00:37.14 | heitorfaria | Nyle: sorry |
| 00:37.15 | streuner | asking himself, what Nyle smoked today |
| 00:37.21 | Nyle | streuner, nothing |
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| 00:37.30 | heitorfaria | streuner: so struner, any clue? |
| 00:37.31 | streuner | sure, that's why :-P |
| 00:37.46 | Nyle | streuner, hehe :) |
| 00:37.47 | Bushmills | another lost day |
| 00:38.02 | Nyle | is going to download some more media on hitchhikers guide |
| 00:38.30 | streuner | heitorfaria: hard to say, some ISP issues? |
| 00:38.52 | heitorfaria | streuner: nope... this problem happens intranet |
| 00:40.08 | mxmx | i gues sits not good when i get quite a bit o f wrnings whiele installing memcoder |
| 00:40.20 | streuner | Bushmills: true, there is nothing worse to waste times ... |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | heitorfaria: check your router for a timeout setting |
| 00:41.32 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.32 | Nyle | tcp |
| 00:41.32 | heitorfaria | abrotman: already did that |
| 00:41.32 | Bushmills | streuner, reality is an illusion, caused by a lack of combustibles. |
| 00:41.32 | heitorfaria | abrotman: =/ |
| 00:41.42 | streuner | Bushmills: combustibles? |
| 00:41.52 | streuner | Bushmills: say it in german |
| 00:41.54 | Bushmills | streuner: "brennbarem" |
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| 00:43.04 | Nyle | du hast? |
| 00:43.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Do a lot of programs require dbus? Can I safely remove it if I'm just using fluxbox and a browser? |
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| 00:45.49 | soblue | Nyle: which hitchhiker's guide were you referring to? BBC's website? |
| 00:45.56 | Nyle | no idea |
| 00:45.58 | streuner | Blast_Hardcheese: i have dbus installed, so what? |
| 00:46.16 | Nyle | soblue, the radio play, the tv shows, books, and I already have the movie |
| 00:46.26 | Nyle | !dbus |
| 00:46.26 | dpkg | well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 00:46.44 | Coweater | Blast_Hardcheese: try to remove it, package managers can figure out dependencies |
| 00:46.55 | soblue | Nyle: I guess you weren't speaking literally about "downloading", then. BBC has a Hitchhiker's website, I thought you meant that. |
| 00:47.11 | Nyle | soblue, I'm getting them from someone's personal server. |
| 00:47.17 | soblue | Oh. |
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| 00:47.46 | streuner | Blast_Hardcheese: i see no reason to remove dbus |
| 00:47.58 | Nyle | dbus is good |
| 00:48.01 | mxmx | gahh ffmpeg |
| 00:48.10 | Nyle | mxmx, whats the matter? |
| 00:48.25 | mxmx | its no taking a command |
| 00:48.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | I see. |
| 00:48.25 | nvz | ah, ha, push that bus, everyone move to the back of dbus |
| 00:48.27 | mxmx | ./configure --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-libvorbis --disable-mmx --enable-shared --enable-amr-nb |
| 00:48.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | streuner: Constrained system, trying to remove as many things as safely as possible. |
| 00:48.50 | mxmx | says Unknown option "--enable-libogg". |
| 00:49.04 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 00:49.04 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 00:49.28 | dondelelcaro | mxmx: what in the world are you trying to build? |
| 00:49.33 | streuner | the same goes with "unneeded" programs |
| 00:49.36 | Nyle | !seen greycat |
| 00:49.36 | dpkg | Nyle: i haven't seen 'greycat' |
| 00:49.40 | mxmx | installing ffmpeg |
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| 00:49.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | streuner: Was that at me? |
| 00:49.52 | streuner | sure |
| 00:49.53 | Nyle | mxmx, libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 00:49.55 | dondelelcaro | mxmx: so add debian-multimedia to your souces.list and install it. |
| 00:49.56 | Nyle | use that package |
| 00:50.04 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is appropriate) |
| 00:50.10 | Nyle | dmm is fine |
| 00:50.16 | mxmx | i am at the end of the isntallation already :/ |
| 00:50.26 | CaT[t3] | is there a way to automatically get the dependencies of a lone .deb resolved? |
| 00:50.38 | Nyle | CaT[t3], try aptitude |
| 00:50.49 | Nyle | CaT[t3], be more specific |
| 00:50.50 | CaT[t3] | nyle: will that work on a deb outside a repo? |
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| 00:51.01 | streuner | Blast_Hardcheese: if you haven't a certain answer why you don't need dbus, you shouldn't waste your time to thing about |
| 00:51.02 | Sertse | so, if I use debian testing with nonfree and multimedia enabled. What the difference between that and, well all the other more popular deb dervied distro that I don't need to name? |
| 00:51.16 | CaT[t3] | nyle: basically I have a package file and want to install it manually but it has a fair number of dependencies. |
| 00:51.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | Are you trying and failing to tell me directly that dbus is not sufficiently large to warrant removal, surely you can't be arguing against pruning unneeded packages from a constrained system. |
| 00:51.24 | Nyle | !non-free |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:51.30 | streuner | Blast_Hardcheese: s/thing/think/ |
| 00:51.39 | Nyle | !tell Sertse -about non-free |
| 00:51.42 | Nyle | !tell Sertse -about dmm |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | CaT[t3]: dpkg -i file.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 00:51.50 | Nyle | !tell Sertse -about fre |
| 00:51.56 | Nyle | doh |
| 00:51.57 | CaT[t3] | abrotman: joy. thanks. |
| 00:52.12 | Nyle | debian choses not to bundle non-free software |
| 00:52.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | streuner: I know what dbus does, I don't know how deep it goes into various low-level systems in a modern linux system |
| 00:52.27 | Nyle | we have certain repositories for non-free software, and dmm is a third party repository |
| 00:52.47 | Nyle | debian will never include anything whish isn't considered free |
| 00:52.50 | CaT[t3] | abrotman: wow. I've seen that when using apt-get to install stuff but it never clicked that it'd work in the same manner for a dpkg install failure. |
| 00:53.47 | ameyer | Nyle: depending on your definition of include, you'd already be wrong |
| 00:53.54 | Nyle | !free |
| 00:53.54 | dpkg | methinks free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 00:53.56 | Nyle | THAT. |
| 00:53.59 | Nyle | read up. |
| 00:54.00 | Sertse | I get the ideology :) But I just find well, many debian users will do the excat things I described, which in that case.. the difference from buntu/mint/countless others |
| 00:54.08 | dryrot | in lighttpd, is there a way to get mod_rewrite to change the actual url that appears in the webbrowser after it gets redirected ? |
| 00:54.08 | Nyle | !policy |
| 00:54.09 | dpkg | from memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 00:54.27 | enouf | sick 'em Nyle :-p |
| 00:54.32 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:54.35 | streuner | Blast_Hardcheese: i cannot see any reason why you want to remove dbus, Debian give you any change to remove stuff for you |
| 00:55.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | uh? |
| 00:55.13 | ameyer | Nyle: depending on your definition of include, you'd already be wrong |
| 00:55.28 | Nyle | my definition? |
| 00:55.28 | ameyer | erm sorry |
| 00:55.29 | enouf | are you a bot? |
| 00:55.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:55.31 | ameyer | no |
| 00:55.31 | Nyle | I'msorry |
| 00:55.34 | Nyle | I don't have a definition |
| 00:55.36 | CaT[t3] | debian doesn't pre-fill sources.list with non-free by default. |
| 00:55.41 | Nyle | I try not to define words |
| 00:55.45 | ameyer | heh |
| 00:55.47 | Nyle | I let other more knowledgable people do that forme |
| 00:55.48 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:55.57 | ameyer | stupid tiny keyboard |
| 00:56.02 | ameyer | anyway... |
| 00:56.13 | ameyer | points at the non-free repos |
| 00:56.24 | Nyle | ameyer, maybe you missed what I said about non-free |
| 00:56.34 | enouf | Nyle: go have some cake == jump off a bridge <--there!, i defined it for ya :-P |
| 00:56.50 | Nyle | enouf, I can't summon that much enthusiasm |
| 00:56.55 | ameyer | 19:52 < Nyle> debian will never include anything whish isn't considered free |
| 00:57.01 | soblue | Is Marie's ghost here? |
| 00:57.02 | enouf | nice rhetort |
| 00:57.08 | Nyle | enouf, like the fucking coca cola commercials where a whole lotof people are partying |
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| 00:57.15 | Nyle | its just a can of soda for fucks sake |
| 00:57.19 | Nyle | why are they all so excited? |
| 00:57.20 | gravity | Not entirely true |
| 00:57.23 | enouf | heh, maybe mountain dew is for you :-p |
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| 00:57.27 | gravity | But we do try |
| 00:57.27 | netdaemon | anyone else have iceweasel 3 momentarily stall on them? |
| 00:57.41 | Nyle | ameyer, you are taking me out of context |
| 00:57.50 | ameyer | well, if you count the non-free repository as included, that's wrong |
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| 00:57.55 | Nyle | ameyer, I specifically stated we have seperate non-free repositories |
| 00:58.00 | Nyle | debian main will NEVER include non-fre |
| 00:58.03 | Nyle | no matter how hard you try |
| 00:58.08 | Nyle | it WILL not happen. |
| 00:58.14 | Dewi | many web pages state that the kernel already does |
| 00:58.18 | JordiGH | Is there a clean way to disable autocomplete for dotfiles and dotdirectories? I keep my porn there for minimal privacy, and I wouldn't autocomplete to expose me. |
| 00:58.18 | Sertse | but yea, but my Q was since "most" people will enable non free etc, whats the difference between that and say using ubuntu. (There I said the dreaded word) |
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| 00:58.21 | ameyer | never say never... |
| 00:58.21 | Dewi | and I've been unable to find specific information on that |
| 00:58.32 | Dewi | Nyle: kernel? |
| 00:58.35 | Nyle | ameyer, give me an example? |
| 00:58.37 | ameyer | but it'd take someone hijacking debian |
| 00:58.44 | ameyer | or something like that |
| 00:58.57 | JordiGH | Dewi: If a Linux kernel has non-free code in it in main, that's a bug. |
| 00:59.00 | abrotman | Sertse: ease of use for parts of it .. and i'd wager that the other one has more non-free stuff available |
| 00:59.00 | gravity | I have one, but it's a known bug |
| 00:59.02 | ameyer | and there apparently was some debate over firmware in the kernel |
| 00:59.08 | gravity | ameyer is right |
| 00:59.10 | Dewi | JordiGH: er, nearly all of them do |
| 00:59.14 | gravity | Shit happens. Bugs are real. |
| 00:59.15 | enouf | gravity: hiya - can you briefly explain if, how, using the nvidia binary blob would severely mess up Console ttys (trying to use vesafb, vga=791 kernel line) .. or, would it not even be related |
| 00:59.21 | JordiGH | Dewi: File a bug report against it. |
| 00:59.33 | streuner | enouf: enough! |
| 00:59.36 | Dewi | JordiGH: are you including things like ubuntu that are full of non-free? |
| 00:59.47 | JordiGH | Dewi: Ubuntu is offtopic here. |
| 00:59.55 | enouf | streuner: yes, i am ;-) |
| 00:59.57 | Dewi | JordiGH: you just said 'linux' |
| 01:00.04 | Dewi | JordiGH: not 'debian kernels' |
| 01:00.06 | JordiGH | Dewi: And Linux is a kernel. |
| 01:00.18 | Nyle | and Debian is Universal. |
| 01:00.18 | JordiGH | Dewi: I said "main" which implied Debian. |
| 01:00.19 | gravity | enouf: I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances. |
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| 01:00.25 | Nyle | is waiting for HURD |
| 01:00.27 | ameyer | I thought that there was a huge review of drivers and a bunch of drivers got removed pre-etch |
| 01:00.28 | Dewi | JordiGH: if you're going to make statements about the linux kernel in general, then YOU are leaving the topic of debian |
| 01:00.30 | streuner | Let gravity please alone, his job is hard enouf :-P |
| 01:00.30 | gravity | enouf: Without being able to actually look at the blob, I couldn't tell you much. |
| 01:00.38 | gravity | streuner: I'm not exactly maintaining X right now anyway |
| 01:00.41 | ameyer | for non-free firmware reasons |
| 01:00.41 | amphi | Nyle: ;) |
| 01:00.45 | JordiGH | Dewi: I said "main", implies Debian, and said to file a bug report, which implies the BTS. |
| 01:00.49 | gravity | It's fine, I am here to help |
| 01:00.49 | Nyle | amphi, !! |
| 01:00.55 | Nyle | hey buddy! whats up |
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| 01:00.59 | Dewi | ameyer: I was under the impression lots were still there |
| 01:01.00 | streuner | gravity: interesting, who else then :-P |
| 01:01.00 | enouf | gravity: ok, fair enough, thanks - do you happen to know if using the blob also pulls in use of 'nvidiafb' ? |
| 01:01.07 | gravity | streuner: The rest of the team. |
| 01:01.14 | Dewi | ameyer: at least, when they announced the "completely free" ubuntu branch, they said it was significantly freer than debian |
| 01:01.15 | Nyle | debian X strikeforce! |
| 01:01.16 | streuner | halleluja |
| 01:01.16 | gravity | enouf: I don't follow the nvidia driver |
| 01:01.18 | enouf | gravity: i appreciate that, and know what you mean ... |
| 01:01.19 | amphi | Nyle: not much, praise be |
| 01:01.19 | Dewi | ameyer: and ran on way less hardware |
| 01:01.23 | Nyle | like a killer elite assassin group |
| 01:01.26 | enouf | gravity: ok |
| 01:01.28 | Nyle | X Strikeforce |
| 01:01.29 | ameyer | Dewi:could be |
| 01:01.30 | Nyle | DUN DUN DUN! |
| 01:01.42 | enouf | gravity: thanks for the reply |
| 01:02.00 | streuner | let gravity have some fun |
| 01:02.17 | gravity | hopes to be back to work on X in a few weeks |
| 01:02.27 | streuner | but always front him to problem within X, isn't make fun to him |
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| 01:02.30 | netdaemon | eh, not having a non-free repository goes against debian's social contract |
| 01:02.32 | enouf | streuner: sure, but OT channels are for that mostly - yes, when slow here, let the mud sling :-P |
| 01:02.38 | Nyle | I went to my friends house, and to spend the night, and he said.. you'll have to sleep on the floor. Damn gravity! Got me again. |
| 01:02.39 | gravity | Although I'll probably be doing some document writing for it in the near future |
| 01:02.41 | Sling | huh what |
| 01:02.44 | Sling | oh |
| 01:02.46 | Nyle | You have no idea how much I wanted to sleep on the wall. |
| 01:02.49 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:02.57 | gravity | heh |
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| 01:03.11 | JordiGH | Dewi: Debian is pretty strict about freedom, excluding stuff that even the FSF considers free but Debian does not. It's unfortunate that Debian's non-free branch exists, but some people choose to use it. The reason (read this carefully) that RMS claims he won't recommend Debian publicly is not because he thinks it's wrong to use Debian's main branch, but because he thinks most casual users will take it as an endorsement to use Debian's non-free as well. |
| 01:03.19 | streuner | gravity: poor guy, always the same |
| 01:03.36 | Nyle | gravity, what is your motivation? |
| 01:03.42 | gravity | Nyle: For what? |
| 01:03.44 | Nyle | gravity, why do you work so much for debian? |
| 01:03.46 | streuner | only a few seconds here, and somebody asking you about problems in X |
| 01:03.51 | enouf | JordiGH: isn;t it odd that gcc-doc-VERSIONS are in non-free? though i really don;t want to discuss this ;-) |
| 01:03.53 | Nyle | gravity, what drives you to do it? |
| 01:03.57 | Dewi | JordiGH: Gobuntu, the version of ubuntu without non-free, reportedly runs on less hardware than the debian kernels, which many claim contain non-free |
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| 01:04.11 | gravity | Nyle: I don't know. I enjoy doing it. It's fun making stuff work the way I want it to. It's fun to participate in. Believe it or not, Debian is really a great community. |
| 01:04.20 | gravity | It's amazing that the Debian community is as good as it is, given its size |
| 01:04.27 | Nyle | gravity, I know sir. |
| 01:04.31 | Nyle | I know. |
| 01:04.35 | Dewi | JordiGH: people make vague reference to exceptions in the DFSG guidelines for certain non-free firmwares and the like, but I just don't know the details |
| 01:04.37 | streuner | gravity: heh? we are here to waste time :-P |
| 01:04.39 | Nyle | gravity, just curious :) |
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| 01:04.45 | Dewi | JordiGH: because nobody in here or the kernel channel have answered my questions |
| 01:04.47 | gravity | Nyle: I also get to learn a lot, which is fun. I always used to wonder how a computer could actually draw things on a monitor. Now I know because I was able to work on that directly. |
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| 01:05.02 | JordiGH | Dewi: I dispute this claim. Unless you consider stuff like Intel's drivers which contain source, not exactly obfuscated, but hard to understand and with many magic numbers in it, I say point to non-free code in the Debian Linuxen and file bug reports against it. |
| 01:05.05 | streuner | argh |
| 01:05.07 | Sertse | you're just used to the forums. :P. It *is* imtimidating, but I guess it encourages you to search |
| 01:05.22 | gravity | JordiGH: You think intel's drivers are obfuscated? Which ones? |
| 01:05.23 | Nyle | gravity, I was always curious about how other languages work in pcs. Now I am working on localizing the d-i in Urdu and its a lot of fun |
| 01:05.29 | streuner | Nyle: let him alone! |
| 01:05.39 | gravity | streuner: Really, it's ok. |
| 01:05.45 | Nyle | gravity, I enjoy learning it, its a hobby fo rme, plus its good to do something for a greater cause |
| 01:05.45 | streuner | hm |
| 01:05.47 | enouf | streuner: why not set up a date O_o |
| 01:05.48 | gravity | streuner: Thank you though, but it's fine if people want to know things. |
| 01:05.58 | JordiGH | Dewi: There are NO exceptions to DFSG, or if there are, they are bugs. The firmware blobs I know of are in non-free (e.g. iwlwifi-firmware). |
| 01:06.01 | gravity | Nyle: Cool |
| 01:06.05 | streuner | bah, that's gravity pure... |
| 01:06.09 | gravity | heh |
| 01:06.17 | streuner | always helpful |
| 01:06.34 | Sertse | ok, ok. this will sound dumb, but ipw/iwl3945 is that a hardware or software thing :S. I know one is "free-err"? than other |
| 01:06.38 | Nyle | gravity, you are from which country? |
| 01:06.41 | JordiGH | gravity: The OpenBSD people criticise the Intel graphics drivers on these grounds. This is why OpenBSD advocates for hardware documentation more than they do for source. Source isn't documentation. |
| 01:06.47 | Sertse | opps. |
| 01:06.57 | Nyle | gravity, do you go to any debian events? |
| 01:07.05 | enouf | Sertse: well, ipw was prior, then intel code got accepted into mainline and became iwl |
| 01:07.19 | JordiGH | enouf: There is still a firmware blob. :-( |
| 01:07.19 | gravity | Nyle: USA, and yes I do. I went to Debconf last year and I hang out with a lot of other Debian folk here in Boston. |
| 01:07.26 | ameyer | for what it's worth... http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007#outcome |
| 01:07.28 | Nyle | boston cool |
| 01:07.32 | enouf | JordiGH: yep |
| 01:07.35 | gravity | JordiGH: Which drivers though? The video drivers are fantastic and clear. |
| 01:07.38 | Sertse | "Or. will my laptop wireless work" |
| 01:07.38 | gravity | JordiGH: And documented. |
| 01:07.39 | ameyer | (current policy on firmware, I think) |
| 01:07.41 | enouf | JordiGH: thank your local FCC |
| 01:07.41 | Nyle | gravity, I am in NYC and my first gathering was the Etch release party |
| 01:07.48 | JordiGH | gravity: i810, I think. |
| 01:07.51 | gravity | Nyle: Ah, cool. I went down there for the sarge party. |
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| 01:07.52 | JordiGH | enouf: They're not my local FCC! |
| 01:07.55 | Dewi | JordiGH: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 01:07.59 | Dewi | JordiGH: some interesting reading |
| 01:08.02 | gravity | JordiGH: Are you kidding? Have you looked at the thing? |
| 01:08.04 | enouf | JordiGH: oh, but they are ;-) |
| 01:08.05 | Nyle | gravity, you should come again for lenny |
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| 01:08.10 | gravity | JordiGH: It's quite good. And there are docs for i965 now |
| 01:08.10 | Dewi | JordiGH: it looks like there's lots in the debian kernel that is at *least* in a grey area |
| 01:08.13 | ameyer | g |
| 01:08.14 | ameyer | 20:08 < Dewi> JordiGH: some interesting reading |
| 01:08.15 | JordiGH | gravity: I have and couldn't understand it, but I'm not a kernel hacker. |
| 01:08.17 | gravity | Nyle: Maybe, we'll see. |
| 01:08.17 | Nyle | gravity, i'll buy you a drink or two or three |
| 01:08.21 | Dewi | JordiGH: but it does sound like the worst was removed before etch |
| 01:08.23 | gravity | JordiGH: Kernel or X server driver? |
| 01:08.24 | Nyle | hehe :) |
| 01:08.26 | Dewi | JordiGH: but was very much present in sarge |
| 01:08.28 | gravity | JordiGH: I haven't looked at the kernel driver. |
| 01:08.28 | Sertse | which is why I even asked heh |
| 01:08.34 | gravity | I've looked quite a bit at the X driver |
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| 01:08.59 | gravity | Nyle: Heh, well that does sweeten the deal. We'll see, when Lenny releases I'll probably be deep in the throes of job hunting still |
| 01:09.12 | enouf | nvidia really sucks ass - even VIA is coming around |
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| 01:09.18 | ameyer | crap |
| 01:09.37 | Nyle | now that ati doesn't suck anymore |
| 01:09.40 | Nyle | I like em |
| 01:09.40 | Dewi | JordiGH: then again, I don't know that all of these are in separate pacakges in the non-free repo |
| 01:09.42 | enouf | Nyle: i'll bring the dancing girls :-P |
| 01:09.46 | Nyle | brb |
| 01:09.46 | ameyer | well, one thing's certain about intel's graphics driver |
| 01:09.50 | Dewi | JordiGH: but I don't think it's safe to assume they all are |
| 01:09.59 | ameyer | unstable buggy PoS |
| 01:10.00 | Dewi | JordiGH: making the debian kernel completely free seems like it's an ongoing process |
| 01:10.14 | ameyer | at some times, worse than others |
| 01:10.39 | gravity | ameyer: I find it quite good, and it's better supported than any of the others |
| 01:10.51 | ameyer | or my desktop could be dying |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | works fine for me as well |
| 01:11.05 | gravity | I've only had real problems with it when I've broken it myself |
| 01:11.12 | Dewi | JordiGH: hmm, and here is the bug |
| 01:11.12 | ameyer | or they could be doing less testing against the 845 chipset |
| 01:11.13 | Dewi | JordiGH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383403 |
| 01:11.26 | enouf | intel sucks in the fact that most of their crap is integrated and you need their Chipset to make use of it |
| 01:11.27 | Dewi | JordiGH: it does say "fixed" but wasn't in etch, which IS debian now |
| 01:11.34 | gravity | ameyer: That's true, but I have a 945 on my desktop and it's still great |
| 01:11.49 | ameyer | there were times where EXA was broken to the point of a kernel oops every time X started |
| 01:11.52 | enouf | whcih means an intel mobo .. and even then, they can't get it right |
| 01:11.54 | JordiGH | Dewi: So etch has a bug. It happens. |
| 01:12.02 | Dewi | JordiGH: wtf? |
| 01:12.09 | abrotman | ameyer: i have an 830 .. works fantastically well .. except for the acpi lid event and the vbe-tool locking X |
| 01:12.23 | Dewi | JordiGH: so what you're saying is that 'debian contains no non-free, but if it does, it's a bug, and that doesn't count"? |
| 01:12.32 | ameyer | my new EEE (GMA900???) seems rock solid |
| 01:12.33 | JordiGH | Dewi: etch bugs shouldn't be taken as indication of Debian deliberately compromising the DFSG. It was a mistake. That's what a bug is. |
| 01:12.33 | Dewi | JordiGH: that seems like... dishonesty to me |
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| 01:12.48 | ameyer | whatever the first GMA9xx chip was |
| 01:12.51 | Dewi | JordiGH: oh so somebody's clipboard paste button slipped and non-free firmware just ended up in the kernel |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | which apparently seems to be a thinkpad issue more than an intel problem |
| 01:12.55 | Dewi | ? |
| 01:13.07 | gravity | Dewi: Debian as a whole is doing its best to not ship non-free things. In some cases it's difficult or impossible. |
| 01:13.15 | Dewi | JordiGH: I don't think you appreciate the subtlety and complexity of making drivers for free operating systems |
| 01:13.15 | gravity | Dewi: No one is perfect and bugs happen. |
| 01:13.36 | Dewi | gravity: which is why it annoys me when people pop up spouting idealistic stuff like 'debian contains nothing non-free, not now, not ever' |
| 01:13.47 | Dewi | gravity: it's just not as clear-cut as that. Not at all. |
| 01:13.58 | gravity | has been sitting on a non-free bug for years, but has no real means of fixing it without starting a riot and severely crippling the distro |
| 01:14.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: main shouldn't contain anything that is non-free; sometimes it does, but it's always a bug. |
| 01:14.15 | enouf | Dewi: by your explanation; that would mean some nefarious subvertant purposefully slipped the openssh bug into debian |
| 01:14.21 | Dewi | gravity: I am under the impression the Gobuntu kernel strips a lot more stuff out than debian does, and as a result it boots on nearly nothing, at least according to Shuttleworth |
| 01:14.28 | gravity | Dewi: Pretty much, yeah |
| 01:14.30 | amphi | ISTR there being some non-free 'magic' numbers in the xorg radeon driver |
| 01:14.30 | Dewi | enouf: huh? |
| 01:14.31 | gravity | I think they removed GLX |
| 01:14.50 | gravity | amphi: You're thinking of nv |
| 01:14.52 | ameyer | amphi: and nv, from what I've heard |
| 01:15.00 | amphi | gravity: ah, thanks |
| 01:15.04 | enouf | Dewi: you mentioned something about 'copy and paste' |
| 01:15.05 | gravity | amphi: When nouveau is ready, we're going to replace nv with it which will fix the problem |
| 01:15.06 | Dewi | enouf: no, it means that people hack things to get them working, up to and including firmware in drivers, without necessarily being IP law experts or doing a full audit |
| 01:15.10 | gravity | So we have a plan in place to deal with it |
| 01:15.13 | Dewi | enouf: and not all these kernel devs have anything to do with debian |
| 01:15.18 | dondelelcaro | supposedly neuveau is getting rid of more of the obfuscated bits of nv. |
| 01:15.27 | gravity | GLX is still an unknown, so if any of you want to reimplement GLX to make it Free, please hop to it |
| 01:15.28 | Dewi | enouf: but when debian downloads a linux kernel THEY take responsibility for what it contains |
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| 01:15.44 | amphi | gravity: nouveau will be great, if they can manage it |
| 01:15.57 | Dewi | enouf: I agree that these things are just "bugs", but it doesn't mean you can just pretend that debian linux is 100% free |
| 01:16.00 | Gnurdux | wait, but how would GLX be nonfree? |
| 01:16.13 | gravity | Gnurdux: Go look at the bugs for xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:16.14 | enouf | Dewi: best efforts, no guarantees |
| 01:16.29 | Dewi | enouf: "free except for bugs" is like saying you accidentally stepped on a patent without realising. But were talking about bits of firmware, some of them binary blobs! |
| 01:16.49 | Dewi | you don't get a dozen different binary blobs in a kernel "by accident" |
| 01:16.54 | buu | Really? |
| 01:16.59 | buu | What if you tried really hard? |
| 01:17.05 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 01:17.16 | enouf | Dewi: i know - even openbsd did it with wifi drivers .. the dev made an ooops and uploaded the code to public svn |
| 01:17.20 | Dewi | gravity: I'm not saying it's not being dealt with |
| 01:17.31 | Dewi | gravity: but I am saying it's something that exists and people need to stop pretending it doesn't |
| 01:17.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: sure, and usually when we find it, we rip them out. |
| 01:17.50 | Dewi | enouf: hmm |
| 01:18.09 | Dewi | enouf: I doubt that situation lasted very long |
| 01:18.12 | dondelelcaro | I think anyone who has dealt with this problem for a while knows there are lots of bits which aren't free; we're always getting better, but we're not there yet. |
| 01:18.23 | Sazpaimon | so like, i wake up |
| 01:18.35 | Sazpaimon | and find out that since like, 8 hours ago |
| 01:18.38 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: debian wouldn't boot if we just ripped everything out that didn't have source |
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| 01:18.44 | Sazpaimon | oom-killer has been going through and endless loop |
| 01:18.46 | enouf | Dewi: yes, nobody is immune to what you are discussing, so let he that is truly 'free' throw the first stone ;-) |
| 01:18.49 | Sazpaimon | and my server has been offline since then |
| 01:18.51 | Sazpaimon | what the hell |
| 01:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it actually would... |
| 01:19.27 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: on some hardware, yes |
| 01:19.34 | enouf | Dewi: think again, not only did the situation with openbsd rage on, but they completely denied culpability |
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| 01:19.47 | Dewi | enouf: got any references? |
| 01:19.51 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but not on some hardware; the bits that actually require binary blobs tend not to be related directly to booting |
| 01:19.54 | enouf | Dewi: to the point where theo had to defend the sucker |
| 01:19.56 | soblue | just found that the bug report and work I did to try and fix moon-lander was on an outdated version and the problem had already been fixed in the most recent version. |
| 01:19.58 | enouf | Dewi: yep |
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| 01:20.12 | PDani | hi |
| 01:20.18 | enouf | Dewi: google openbsd wifi THEIF |
| 01:20.28 | Dewi | enouf: with the spelling mistake? |
| 01:20.31 | enouf | erm thief even |
| 01:20.35 | Dewi | grins. |
| 01:20.43 | Nyle | im bleeding! |
| 01:20.45 | PDani | is there any unofficial firefox 3 (the stable one) .deb build for testing? |
| 01:20.46 | Nyle | wtf |
| 01:20.46 | soblue | yet the new version doesn't show up in aptitude, even after `aptitude update`. Why is that? |
| 01:20.50 | Nyle | why? |
| 01:20.55 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:21.02 | dondelelcaro | PDani: you probably can install the version from unstable using pinning. |
| 01:21.04 | Nyle | oh paper cut.. |
| 01:21.05 | Dewi | PDani: Isn't there an official iceweasel 3? |
| 01:21.13 | Nyle | yes there is |
| 01:21.16 | dondelelcaro | PDani: or you can wait for it to transition. |
| 01:21.24 | PDani | Dewi: for testing? |
| 01:21.30 | dondelelcaro | !+why is iceweasel not in testing? |
| 01:21.30 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 01:21.31 | Nyle | yes for testing too |
| 01:21.33 | PDani | dondelelcaro: thx, i'll try |
| 01:21.34 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 01:21.34 | Dewi | PDani: oh, maybe it got removed. I thought there was at some point |
| 01:21.34 | dpkg | i heard ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 01:21.58 | Sazpaimon | so like, what can i do in the future to prevent oom-killer from looping endlessly |
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| 01:22.11 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, what does the '+' do? |
| 01:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: nothing in that case |
| 01:22.20 | JordiGH | Dewi: I understand free drivers are difficult, but Debian is 100% committed to free drivers. If it doesn't always achieve this goal, it's not for lack of trying. |
| 01:22.32 | JordiGH | anyways, I have to work now. |
| 01:22.41 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, but what does it do? I see that sometimes you are using it on other dpkg commands as well |
| 01:22.55 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it tells dpkg not to /msg me, but to put output into the channel. |
| 01:23.05 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:23.10 | Nyle | that is nice |
| 01:23.30 | Dewi | JordiGH: it's very easy to think of ways they could try harder, but many of us wouldn't have a booting system |
| 01:23.59 | Dewi | JordiGH: it's a temporary compromise, but it is what I recognise as a compromise |
| 01:24.04 | Nyle | !+info kde |
| 01:24.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:24.15 | Nyle | ahh! no more /msg from dpkg! |
| 01:24.17 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: there really isn't many binary bits necessary to boot your system. Most of them currently involve firmware for network devices and graphics cards. |
| 01:24.19 | Nyle | beautiful! |
| 01:24.28 | Dewi | Nyle: you broke the bot! I can't cope! |
| 01:24.29 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:48 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 01:24.29 | Sertse | you disabled the help bot? |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | oh goodie .. more channel spam from Nyle |
| 01:24.42 | ameyer | Should I find this funny? "I count 59 more files with firmware that need to be removed if the Linux kernel is to stay in Debian main for etch." |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | ameyer: didnt' they vote to allow the firmware for etch .. and take care of it after the release ? |
| 01:25.12 | soblue | how does dpkg decide which versions of packages to display? is it impossible to update anything except security releases within a single version of Debian? |
| 01:25.16 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: yeah... with my headless machines, cheap NICs, and old hardware, I might actually be one of the people to escape okay |
| 01:25.31 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... on almost any modern machine it'll work just fine |
| 01:25.37 | Dewi | ameyer: that's a pretty old quote, isn't it? |
| 01:25.54 | Dewi | ameyer: I think they made some progress after that point, but I'm certainly no expert |
| 01:26.04 | ameyer | Dewi: yes it is |
| 01:26.06 | dondelelcaro | soblue: dpkg only displays versions of packages installed. If you mean the versions that apt-get or synaptic displays, that's dependent on what's in the archive. |
| 01:26.12 | Dewi | ameyer: they closed the bug that discussion linked to anyway |
| 01:26.20 | ameyer | that'd be referring to 2.6.17 |
| 01:26.20 | dondelelcaro | soblue: if you're running stable, we only make security releases and fixes to severe bugs there. |
| 01:26.22 | soblue | dondelelcaro: yes, I meant aptitude really |
| 01:26.26 | Dewi | ameyer: but the wiki page ( http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing ) still has lots to talk about |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | ameyer: http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 |
| 01:26.40 | ameyer | that's where I got the quote from |
| 01:26.56 | Dewi | abrotman: nice. thanks for that |
| 01:27.03 | soblue | dondelelcaro: okay, so I should run testing if I want less-than-severe bug fixes? |
| 01:27.08 | ameyer | I just found the concept of the kernel getting moved to non-free funny |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:27.25 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:27.29 | Nyle | debian shipping without a kernel |
| 01:27.33 | Nyle | thats something alright... |
| 01:27.41 | dondelelcaro | soblue: if you want new versions with the possibility of breakage, yes. |
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| 01:28.12 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: it wasn't that we'd ship without a kernel, it was whether we'd rip everything out of the kernel that didn't have source, and distribute it separately. |
| 01:28.14 | Dewi | soblue: you will also receive a constant stream of new functionality which might have new bugs |
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| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: and for the most part, that's the way we've been going; firmware has no place in the kernel itself |
| 01:28.43 | Dewi | soblue: the advantage of stable is that you get to keep the old version with more and more quality control over time |
| 01:28.51 | Dewi | soblue: while testing is more a moving target |
| 01:29.06 | soblue | dondelelcaro & Dewi: okay, thanks. |
| 01:29.31 | Dewi | enouf: I actually didn't find anything on that google |
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| 01:29.42 | enouf | Dewi: one second |
| 01:29.52 | simonrvn | wth |
| 01:30.01 | Sertse | or go sid and live life on the edge. heart thumping in each decision you make |
| 01:30.04 | Sertse | ;) |
| 01:30.10 | soblue | heh |
| 01:30.14 | Dewi | enouf: are you talking about the GPL thing, or actual non-free? |
| 01:30.58 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: eventually, we'll probably have the option to put specific firmware on usb sticks (or possibly on custom cds) from non-free so people can use their hardware, but are aware that they're using non-free firmware. |
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| 01:31.41 | Dewi | enouf: I am familiar with the GPL licensing argument, I thought you were referring to some other issue about non-free, source-less firmware or something |
| 01:33.02 | Sazpaimon | so like, what can i do in the future to prevent oom-killer from looping endlessly |
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| 01:33.15 | Sazpaimon | because about 8 hours of offline-ness is not my idea of a good time |
| 01:33.17 | Nyle | what is a oomkiller? |
| 01:33.21 | klasikahl | hey is there a way to make egrep print just the matching filename, not the matching string from within the file, without using awk? |
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| 01:33.49 | Sazpaimon | Nyle, http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
| 01:33.52 | smaug9 | how to disable kernel upgrade from apt-get upgrade? |
| 01:33.53 | ameyer | Nyle: if you run out of memory and swap, oomkiller starts killing stuff] |
| 01:33.58 | Dewi | dondelelcaro , abrotman : thanks for the detailed info on that stuff. I don't mean to give the impression that I'm complaining about the state of things; it's just important to me that people are realistic about it. |
| 01:34.06 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:34.08 | dondelelcaro | klasikahl: man grep; read about -l |
| 01:34.17 | Nyle | buy more memory and get more swap |
| 01:34.17 | ameyer | rather than the system just dying |
| 01:34.25 | dondelelcaro | smaug9: uh... you really don't want to disable it |
| 01:34.32 | Nyle | set swapiness params if you need |
| 01:34.44 | Nyle | is oom killer safe |
| 01:34.45 | Nyle | ?? |
| 01:34.53 | smaug9 | dondelelcaro: I don't want the kernel to get automatically upgraded on my nslu2 |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | Dewi: if you don't do your due diligence .. you may get stuck with hardware that requires firmware .. vendor already made their money .. do they reall ycare anymore ? |
| 01:35.03 | ameyer | so, you'd rather the system just die? |
| 01:35.05 | smaug9 | dondelelcaro: it uses a proprietary ethernet module |
| 01:35.21 | smaug9 | dondelelcaro: that doesn't seem to come with the stock debian arm kernel |
| 01:35.30 | Sazpaimon | ameyer, if it reboots afterwards yes |
| 01:35.34 | dondelelcaro | smaug9: so put the package on hold, or make your custom kernel the default so it gets upgraded, but won't change which one boots. |
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| 01:35.53 | smaug9 | dondelelcaro: how to put the package on hold? |
| 01:35.53 | Dewi | abrotman: indeed. Although it can be very hard outside the USA to track down whatever vendor happens to be supporting open source |
| 01:35.53 | Sazpaimon | so far ive not once had oom-killer choose the right process |
| 01:35.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell smaug9 -about hold |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | Dewi: not really .. chipsets are fairly well known |
| 01:36.11 | Sazpaimon | every time oom-killer does something, it goes in an endless loop |
| 01:36.14 | ameyer | it's hard inside the US... |
| 01:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: that sounds like a bug; it shouldn't ever do that |
| 01:36.26 | Nyle | simonrvn, 90% blast! |
| 01:36.27 | Dewi | abrotman: if you can find out what chipset the products have |
| 01:36.33 | Dewi | abrotman: they don't really tell you on the box |
| 01:36.38 | smaug9 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:36.50 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, if it were a bug wouldnt it have been reported by now? |
| 01:36.57 | simonrvn | nyyyup, bit sore from practice today, but i can talk normally now =) |
| 01:36.59 | Dewi | abrotman: and we tend to get a lot of "just for asia pacific" branding around here |
| 01:37.07 | simonrvn | Nyle even |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | yay google :) |
| 01:37.13 | Dewi | abrotman: which nobody (at least nobody speaking English) discusses on the web |
| 01:37.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:37.20 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, that would seem like a pretty serious bug |
| 01:37.23 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: possibly, but I've personally never seen that behavoir, but I'm not running your hardware, nor am I running the applications that you are. |
| 01:37.29 | enouf | Dewi: here ya go http://marc.info/?t=117571775000002&r=4&w=2 |
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| 01:37.43 | Sazpaimon | I'm just running the usual, mysql, httpd, inspircd |
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| 01:37.51 | enouf | Dewi: marcus the thief |
| 01:37.55 | Dewi | enouf: aah, yeah. I do remember this one |
| 01:37.57 | Sazpaimon | oh and i've got a team fortress 2 server running |
| 01:38.03 | Nyle | Clutch - Shogun named marcus |
| 01:38.25 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: are you sure it's running endlessly? or do you mean to say that it's running often? |
| 01:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: it should run, find something to kill, and kill it. If it runs out of memory again, it'll find something else to kill. |
| 01:38.45 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, i mean to say that when i went to bed last night my server apparently got a ram spike |
| 01:38.51 | Sazpaimon | and when i woke up 8 hours later |
| 01:38.55 | Sazpaimon | logged on to serial console |
| 01:39.00 | Sazpaimon | oom-killer was still running |
| 01:39.07 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: uh... still running how? |
| 01:39.22 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, it was still looping, trying to kill processes |
| 01:39.38 | Sazpaimon | unfortunately this didnt get logged anywhere |
| 01:39.47 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: which kernel version are you running? It would have shown up in dmesg. |
| 01:39.58 | Sazpaimon | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 01:40.50 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, you mean the dmesg that gets reset on reboot? |
| 01:41.25 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: yes; if you rebooted, then there's no way to see what's going on. |
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| 01:41.38 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, well i cant do anything else BUT reboot |
| 01:41.45 | Nyle | simonrvn, what did you think of the sunburst? |
| 01:41.46 | dihymo | is discover necessary with udev and hal? |
| 01:41.48 | Sazpaimon | all i see are oom-killer messages |
| 01:41.53 | Sazpaimon | and stack traces |
| 01:41.56 | arubin | uh |
| 01:41.59 | arubin | uname -a? |
| 01:42.08 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: that actually sounds like you've got something that has a serious leak and is just triggering the OOM killer again and again |
| 01:42.09 | Nyle | simonrvn, the album |
| 01:42.19 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: and for whatever reason the OOM killer has decided that it shouldn't kill it |
| 01:42.31 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: does the OOM killer ever kill anything? |
| 01:42.43 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, i cant tell from the messages |
| 01:42.50 | Sazpaimon | i see some apps giving page allocation errors |
| 01:42.50 | Dewi | enouf: every time I read this thread I get the idea that Michael Buesch made the whole thing a lot bloodier than it needed to be |
| 01:43.01 | Sazpaimon | then oom-killer shows up with a gpg something or other |
| 01:43.12 | Dewi | enouf: marcus just apologised and deleted the whole driver |
| 01:43.16 | enouf | Dewi: not me ;-) |
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| 01:43.41 | enouf | Dewi: i was answering your point about 'copy and paste' by accident |
| 01:43.56 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you'll see something like Out of memory: kill process 3751 (blootbot) score 50684 or a child |
| 01:44.00 | arubin | dmesg logs to /var/log... |
| 01:44.09 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, i didnt see that |
| 01:44.26 | Sazpaimon | but keep in mind i logged in about 8 hours after my server apparently went down |
| 01:44.27 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: can you copy and paste from your serial console? |
| 01:44.37 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, its past my scrollback |
| 01:45.12 | dondelelcaro | well, without that, it's hard to see what went on; most likely it ran, completed, and then was triggered again. |
| 01:45.20 | Dewi | enouf: I see a huge gulf of difference between open-source codebases helping each other out on 1 file which never even reached a working state let alone release, and ~50 files containing bits of closed-source from proprietary vendors, which have been released over and over again |
| 01:45.39 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, well apparently someone is attempting a ddos on one of my sites |
| 01:45.48 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 01:45.48 | Sazpaimon | i checked the message board and 1000+ guests are logged on |
| 01:46.18 | Sazpaimon | so i could either let the server go down again |
| 01:46.24 | Sazpaimon | or stop the attack now |
| 01:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: well, that'd do it, actually; if you had thousands of real proceses instead of one big process, the OOM would be continuously triggered. |
| 01:46.49 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, well httpd is in threaded mode |
| 01:46.52 | Sazpaimon | i think its threaded |
| 01:46.57 | Sazpaimon | whichever the one that adds a new httpd process |
| 01:46.58 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: are you using php? |
| 01:47.01 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 01:47.06 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: then it's forked, not threaded. |
| 01:47.14 | enouf | Dewi: so you're claiming an ongoing mistake, that goes pushed under the rug? |
| 01:47.17 | Sazpaimon | yeah forked |
| 01:47.24 | Sazpaimon | the terminology escapes me at the moment |
| 01:47.37 | Dewi | enouf: um... http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 ? |
| 01:47.41 | Dewi | enouf: it's a *compromise* |
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| 01:47.48 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: the solution is (probably) to set the maximum number of apache processes and mysql servers appropriately; it'd be really obvious if that's what was going on if you had something like munin running. |
| 01:47.59 | enouf | 2006 eh? ok, well |
| 01:48.02 | Sazpaimon | Im pretty sure those are set |
| 01:48.33 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: well, they're not set low enough if you triggered the OOM killer from that; looking at graphs of the number of mysql and apache processes would tell you that, though, as well as looking at the free ram. |
| 01:48.34 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, etch is current |
| 01:48.43 | Dewi | enouf: it was being built in 2006 |
| 01:49.52 | Nyle | 2007 |
| 01:50.00 | Nyle | oh built |
| 01:50.10 | Nyle | nm |
| 01:50.17 | Dewi | enouf: it's obviously not a copyright violation of course |
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| 01:50.46 | Dewi | enouf: but the DFSG is not an impermeable castle of clear-cut policy |
| 01:50.57 | Dewi | enouf: not yet, anyway |
| 01:51.29 | Dewi | (well maybe the DFSG itself is, but not *quite* in the way it applies to debian code) |
| 01:51.43 | Dewi | anyway we've been through this |
| 01:52.00 | simonrvn | Nyle: havcen't been much home today, didn't get a chance to get online. take a look in a min. |
| 01:52.27 | Nyle | simonrvn, tyt |
| 01:54.40 | enouf | Dewi: these are serious issues, however, i lost interest now - drinking quite heavily - getting ready to eat ;-) |
| 01:54.48 | Dewi | enouf: heh |
| 01:55.04 | Dewi | I wish I was drinking heavily |
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| 01:55.24 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, MaxClients 500 MaxRequestsPerChild 5000 |
| 01:55.30 | Sazpaimon | looks fine to me |
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| 01:55.39 | enouf | stupid NY Blankees got rained out tonight in Pittsburgh |
| 01:55.44 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: how much memory does your server have? |
| 01:56.02 | Sazpaimon | 1GB ram |
| 01:56.05 | Sazpaimon | 2GB swap |
| 01:56.06 | stiv2k | Ugh, can anyone help me diagnose why it takes like >20 seconds to resolve an IP address? |
| 01:56.21 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: your nameserver is really slow, or you've got a bad one listed first |
| 01:56.32 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: hmm, |
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| 01:56.45 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: that's probably not enough for that many children. |
| 01:56.57 | stiv2k | DNS 1: 68.87.74.162 |
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| 01:57.04 | stiv2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.09 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: at least, if your site does anything marginally memory intensive |
| 01:57.13 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: Those are what my router reports... |
| 01:57.22 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 01:57.26 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, so what cut that in half? |
| 01:57.41 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: I have ~20ms ping to DNS server 1 |
| 01:57.41 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: try dig @68.87.74.162 addressyouwanttoresolve.com; and dig @68.87.68.162 blahblahblah |
| 01:57.45 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 01:58.36 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: depends; I'd actually start by graphing using munin and watching the number of apache children you have versus your memory usage |
| 01:58.39 | Sazpaimon | unfortunately i can't use mod_evasive anymore |
| 01:58.46 | Sazpaimon | as it screws with some php extentions |
| 01:58.49 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: that'll tell you what the right value is approximately. |
| 01:58.56 | shingen | what's the point of ubuntu if debian defaults install the same apps? |
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| 01:59.11 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: odd, names are resolving normally using that command... but in firefox for example, it hangs for a LONG time saying "Resolving www.google.com..." |
| 01:59.25 | dondelelcaro | shingen: #ubuntu is the right channel to ask about that. |
| 01:59.45 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: hrm... and after you try google, does it work any faster in iceweasel? |
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| 02:00.14 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: you should check your /etc/resolv.conf too. |
| 02:00.22 | dondelelcaro | (since that's what actually matters, not what the router returns) |
| 02:00.29 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: no, even after I resolve google.com, and I try to access it in my browser, it still takes a while to 'look it up' |
| 02:00.36 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: even though it should be cached? |
| 02:00.45 | stiv2k | nameserver 192.168.69.1 |
| 02:00.52 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, munin? never heard of it |
| 02:00.55 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 02:00.55 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://munin.ping.uio.no/ FE. http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/ |
| 02:00.57 | Sazpaimon | regardless, ive just apt-got it |
| 02:01.01 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: that's what you should be checking. |
| 02:01.16 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: it says generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
| 02:01.22 | shingen | dondelelcaro: well, I just installed debian because I thought ubuntu was too dumbed down (I'm a former slackware 2.0 user), so I was hoping someone here could answer my question, because I know #ubuntu is clueless :) |
| 02:01.50 | dondelelcaro | shingen: most of us here don't use Ubuntu, so we can't really answer that question for you; they're the people best qualified |
| 02:02.02 | shingen | dondelelcaro: most of them don't use debian |
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| 02:02.08 | dondelelcaro | (and discussing debian-derived distributions here isn't on topic anyway) |
| 02:02.21 | shingen | k, I'll ask in #linux instead |
| 02:03.34 | stiv2k | shingen: #ubuntu is well... yeah |
| 02:03.36 | stiv2k | pathetic. |
| 02:04.55 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: well, network manager should have a configuration to change it; I personally don't use network manager, so I can't tell you how to do that. |
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| 02:05.07 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: most likely 192.168.69.1's dns server (probably on your router) is really slow. |
| 02:05.17 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: 192.168.69.1 is my router... |
| 02:05.44 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: I can resolve names very quickly using 192.168.69.1 using the dig command you showed me earlier |
| 02:05.57 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: hrm... does ping google.com; work rapidly too? |
| 02:05.59 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: but apps like firefox and even SSH respond very slowly, its weird |
| 02:06.26 | stiv2k | it takes like 10 seconds for the 1st packet to go |
| 02:06.46 | stiv2k | 64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=65.7 ms |
| 02:06.50 | Kumool | this is strange "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jun 27 22:04:05 2008" that normal? |
| 02:07.03 | Kumool | damn it went back to normal |
| 02:07.15 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: that usually means that your clock was wrong and got reset. |
| 02:07.17 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: Note, I only experience this issue when I come to this specific AP, if I try it at school or at my apartment its fine |
| 02:07.32 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: So it is somewhat indicative of a local router thing.... but I dont know what or why. |
| 02:07.53 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: hrm... you can try strace -f ping google.com; or similar. [That'll fail, but it'll resolve the name] |
| 02:08.40 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: you'll also see exactly where it's slowing down. |
| 02:08.40 | Bushmills | stiv2k: i'd say it's a reverse dns issue |
| 02:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: that shouldn't affect ping |
| 02:09.48 | Bushmills | dondelelcaro: it does because each ping line shows the rdns host name |
| 02:10.10 | Bushmills | it does not when pinging an ip address rather than a host name |
| 02:10.24 | enouf | Dewi: all i want to say to finalize for now is; linus needs a smack upside his head |
| 02:10.35 | shingen | what is the difference between iceweasel and firefox? |
| 02:10.35 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 02:10.41 | Dewi | shingen: the branding, that is all |
| 02:10.56 | shingen | iceweasel is a bad joke? :P |
| 02:10.58 | Dewi | shingen: firefox name is trademark-encumbered |
| 02:11.01 | shingen | ic |
| 02:11.04 | enouf | shingen: some icons |
| 02:11.10 | Dewi | yeah artwork too |
| 02:11.22 | enouf | shingen: and firepoop's slow bug fixes |
| 02:11.24 | Dewi | (artwork is copyrighted) |
| 02:11.28 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: I dont have strace? |
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| 02:11.40 | Nyle | Dewi, so is Debian (tm) |
| 02:11.42 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:11.43 | Bushmills | stiv2k: what does your iptables say about port 53? |
| 02:11.53 | stiv2k | I don't have iptables either. |
| 02:12.07 | Nyle | Dewi, debian official logo is also non-free |
| 02:12.08 | Dewi | Nyle: I know. |
| 02:12.15 | stiv2k | Bushmills: err, nvm, had to su - |
| 02:12.18 | Dewi | Nyle: as it should be |
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| 02:12.22 | stiv2k | Bushmills: I am unfamiliar with iptables... |
| 02:12.24 | Nyle | as should firefox be. |
| 02:12.37 | Dewi | Nyle: probably |
| 02:12.41 | Nyle | definitely. |
| 02:12.48 | Nyle | nate |
| 02:13.27 | shingen | well, we don't want to see firefox or debian toilet paper and diapers, being used by geriatric employees of microsoft, do we? :P |
| 02:13.32 | Bushmills | stiv2k: what does dig @192.168.1.1 -x 64.233.167.99 do? replace 192.168.1.1 against your router with the dns proxy |
| 02:13.43 | Nyle | sure why not |
| 02:13.52 | Nyle | toilet paper and diapers are extremely important |
| 02:13.56 | Dewi | Nyle: it does seem like there ought to exist some middle ground where trademarks can be protected but independent operating systems can include it |
| 02:13.57 | shingen | because they can say things like, oops, I soiled my debian! |
| 02:13.59 | Nyle | without them the western world would collapse |
| 02:14.12 | Nyle | Dewi, a middle ground must be found yes |
| 02:14.15 | Nyle | I concur. |
| 02:14.16 | Dewi | Nyle: but both parties are way too independent-minded for that in this case |
| 02:14.25 | Nyle | that is also very correct. |
| 02:14.30 | Nyle | its unfortunate |
| 02:14.43 | Dewi | Nyle: it's just lucky for us that FF is so easy to rebrand. Forking debian would not be so easy |
| 02:14.56 | Dewi | (or it wasnt' at the time) |
| 02:15.03 | Dewi | (I'm sure we are working on that) |
| 02:15.06 | Nyle | ubuntu fails to rebrand debian fully |
| 02:15.19 | Nyle | so do many other derivatives |
| 02:15.37 | stiv2k | Bushmills: waiting.... |
| 02:15.50 | Nyle | but anyway... |
| 02:15.51 | soblue | let's see some uBUnTu .but files... |
| 02:15.55 | Dewi | Nyle: I'm sure one day debian will have a script you run for a "generic" version, but AFAIK this isn't done yet |
| 02:16.08 | Bushmills | stiv2k: i think the reason for your initial ping waiting is the same |
| 02:16.10 | stiv2k | Bushmills: 4 lines of output, should I PM? |
| 02:16.29 | Bushmills | stiv2k: no, just give the Query time |
| 02:16.36 | stiv2k | Bushmills: No query time |
| 02:16.41 | Dewi | Nyle: but anyway, this is enough IP rubbish to make any engineer cry |
| 02:16.44 | stiv2k | Bushmills: It says connection times out; no servers coule be reached |
| 02:16.51 | Dewi | Nyle: I need coffee |
| 02:17.08 | Nyle | Dewi, I want to go to the moon |
| 02:17.22 | Bushmills | stiv2k: look at your router config, see that you open port 53 udp |
| 02:17.44 | stiv2k | Bushmills: erhm, open from which side? |
| 02:18.04 | Bushmills | stiv, you might want to open port 53 completely if there's no seperate udp settings. both, in and out. |
| 02:18.37 | Nyle | Bushmills, could you give me the link again in /msg |
| 02:18.37 | stiv2k | Bushmills: Isnt it a little odd to have to do that? I've never had to do this on any router i've ever operated |
| 02:18.40 | shingen | dont' forget, DNS isn't just on udp 53... it's also tcp... |
| 02:18.57 | shingen | which may be why resolving google.com takes so long, because the udp packet is timing out |
| 02:19.07 | Bushmills | shingen: zone server is usually tcp |
| 02:19.09 | Nyle | Bushmills, main parent dir |
| 02:19.12 | shingen | google.com resolves to ALOT of addresses |
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| 02:20.04 | Bushmills | stiv2k: you may have used external DNS before |
| 02:20.38 | stiv2k | Bushmills: not to my knoweldge |
| 02:20.59 | Nyle | !bushmills++ |
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| 02:22.19 | Bushmills | shingen: seen the little -x in the dig command line? |
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| 02:23.24 | Nyle | it costs a lot of millions to go to the space |
| 02:23.25 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:23.27 | stiv2k | Bushmills: If I open TCP/UDP 53, wont I have to forward it to a specific IP? |
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| 02:23.35 | Nyle | tcp? just udp |
| 02:23.46 | Nyle | why open tcp? |
| 02:23.48 | stiv2k | Nyle: shingen told me DNS also uses TCP. |
| 02:24.04 | Bushmills | stiv2k: if your dns is on the same box, no, should be fine then |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | because dns can also use tcp |
| 02:24.33 | stiv2k | Bushmills: I dont understand, you mean to forward port 53 to the router? the router manages my DNS. |
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| 02:24.47 | Bushmills | stiv2k: so you don't forward |
| 02:24.59 | stiv2k | Bushmills: Um, then what do I do :/ |
| 02:25.01 | Nyle | but what for though |
| 02:25.14 | Nyle | for reliable zone consistency sure |
| 02:25.19 | Nyle | but whats he trying to do? |
| 02:25.29 | stiv2k | Trying to alleviate my DNS lookup times |
| 02:25.36 | Bushmills | stiv2k: allow in- and outbound traffic on port 53 |
| 02:25.42 | Nyle | so why open tcp then? |
| 02:25.50 | Nyle | thats all I'm asking |
| 02:25.51 | stiv2k | Bushmills: Oy, I dont think its being denied anywhere though... |
| 02:26.02 | stiv2k | Nyle: I dont know, it was just a random though |
| 02:26.03 | stiv2k | t |
| 02:26.18 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:27.40 | shingen | I thought you said DNS works fine when using cli tools, but when using firefox it's slow |
| 02:27.53 | shingen | I don't see how that's a client side firewall issue |
| 02:28.01 | Bushmills | stiv2k: well, i don;t know your router, but your settings should be fiddled with until dig @192.168.1.1 -x 64.233.167.99 (192.168.1.1 replaced against your router ip) doesn't time out anymore. |
| 02:28.11 | stiv2k | hm |
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| 02:29.06 | Bushmills | stiv2k: your could also think of putting a recursive dns/dns cache on a linux box of yours. router dns usually don't cache, but proxy only. |
| 02:29.21 | LordDicranius | when viewing the output of "dpkg-query -l", what does the "rc" mean in the left hand column? |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | removed .. config files remain |
| 02:29.39 | Bushmills | means, recursor on a linux box will resolve faster |
| 02:29.53 | shingen | stiv2k: have you tried just manually entering the dns servers that your router is using to see if it's the router's problem or your machine's? |
| 02:29.59 | LordDicranius | that was fast, thx guys :) |
| 02:33.13 | soblue | wonders what an OOM is to be killed |
| 02:34.50 | soblue | ah never mind -- out of memory |
| 02:35.17 | spoon_man | I was going to say out of mana |
| 02:35.39 | \3TATUK | How can I enable 3D acceleration for an "ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133" on Debian Etch? |
| 02:35.42 | craigevil | drink a mana potion |
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| 02:36.43 | shingen | kill oom? don't you kill the app that started the oom in the first place? |
| 02:36.55 | CaT[t3] | get the pripriatery driver I'd say is your most likely recourse. that said, the propriatery ati driver has a long standing reputation for being total poo. |
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| 02:37.34 | shingen | ah, I just found something that ubuntu had that lenny doesn't... auto wifi detection |
| 02:37.41 | soblue | shingen: I guess you kill when you have an oom condition. |
| 02:37.52 | Nyle | oom? |
| 02:37.59 | Nyle | english please... |
| 02:38.05 | CaT[t3] | ouit-of-mana ;) |
| 02:38.06 | shingen | soblue: well, it goes either way... if you really need the app that's oomed, you could start killing everything else |
| 02:38.09 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:38.10 | Nyle | memory |
| 02:38.13 | soblue | out of memory, you guys were talking about it earlier |
| 02:38.13 | Nyle | doh :) |
| 02:38.39 | enouf | continues to define things for Nyle :-) |
| 02:38.56 | Nyle | im sorry for being a noob guys |
| 02:38.58 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:39.05 | soblue | nah, I'm 10x the noob |
| 02:39.07 | soblue | :) |
| 02:39.10 | enouf | stop that |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | he's 'thanks' the noob ? |
| 02:39.29 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:39.56 | Nyle | enouf, ? |
| 02:40.01 | enouf | yes? |
| 02:40.13 | Nyle | you want me to stop being a noob? |
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| 02:40.39 | enouf | no, stop with the phony guilt trip |
| 02:41.02 | Nyle | I was being sincere... |
| 02:41.08 | Nyle | I actually know jack shit about linux. |
| 02:41.15 | enouf | you can prance around all you want in your noob jammies ;-) |
| 02:41.52 | soblue | abrotman: 10 (ten, decimal) times the noob |
| 02:42.09 | enouf | he |
| 02:42.11 | enouf | heh |
| 02:42.12 | Nyle | I know linux only as a hobby and desktop use and minor server use and etc. etc. but I am not a linux system administrators like you people |
| 02:42.16 | enouf | !10q |
| 02:42.16 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character. |
| 02:42.16 | shingen | arrgh, I gotta modprobe for my intel wireless card?!?!? |
| 02:42.29 | Nyle | I know enough to get by |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | soblue: nevermind .. ignore it |
| 02:42.34 | shingen | crap, that's as bad as slackware 12.1 :P |
| 02:42.41 | Nyle | enouf, don't gimme hard time. |
| 02:42.59 | squisher | so about those ATI proprietary drivers... I've read recently that they have improved quite a bit, but don't quite trust the news source :-) Anyone having practical experience with that? |
| 02:43.11 | Nyle | squisher, they have not |
| 02:43.30 | squisher | and the free ones? |
| 02:43.35 | enouf | much |
| 02:43.35 | Nyle | squisher, however the free drivers are on the way and already we have 3d support for r500 and 2d support for r600 |
| 02:43.49 | squisher | I'd like to support ati for being more open than nvidia, but, well, I want to play my games too :-) |
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| 02:44.07 | squisher | and not in 6 months ;-) |
| 02:44.08 | Nyle | radeon in sid supports almost all |
| 02:44.17 | shingen | Nyle: compiz works with ati mobility? |
| 02:44.21 | Nyle | yes |
| 02:44.28 | squisher | looks up what series a 3870 is... |
| 02:44.30 | shingen | hmmm, and dual monitor support? |
| 02:44.30 | Nyle | using radeon driver it does don't need fglrx for it |
| 02:44.44 | Nyle | that is still flaky, but yes dual monitor using xrandr is a piece of cake |
| 02:44.56 | Nyle | using radeon (fglrx is a pos when it comes to dualhead) |
| 02:45.07 | Nyle | thier fucking propritary bullshit ati "big desktop" |
| 02:45.36 | enouf | but but .. Crossfire support :-p |
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| 02:45.48 | Nyle | if you use crossfire you're an idiot |
| 02:45.52 | Nyle | same with that sli crap |
| 02:45.53 | squisher | ah, who the heck needs that stuff? |
| 02:45.56 | enouf | lmao |
| 02:46.15 | Nyle | not only an idiot, but a bent over idiot taking the big advertising dick. |
| 02:46.16 | shingen | windows has spoiled me badly since slackware 2.0 :P I'm not a young college kid with gobs of free time to mess with my computer anymore... I just want shit to out of the box now :P |
| 02:46.37 | squisher | windows has spoiled you? :-P |
| 02:46.45 | squisher | funny one :) |
| 02:46.48 | Nyle | use ubuntu or suse |
| 02:46.54 | enouf | crossfire unlike sli makes use of ati onboard graphics too - so 3 Screens!! |
| 02:46.55 | Nyle | knoppix makes everything work too |
| 02:47.02 | Nyle | you dont HAVE to use windows |
| 02:47.22 | Nyle | ubuntu is an ancient aftican word meaning "I'm too lame to configure debian" |
| 02:47.26 | shingen | yeah, I'm a lazy mofo... I used to be ok with no multisync support on slackware 2.0... blew out a bunch of monitors :P |
| 02:47.45 | shingen | Nyle: It's not that I'm too lame, it's just that I didn't think I'd be doing modprobe anytime soon to get my wireless card working |
| 02:47.53 | Nyle | shingen, j/k |
| 02:47.59 | Nyle | of course its all about time saving |
| 02:48.24 | Nyle | use what works unless you have the time and desire to do it yourself |
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| 02:48.46 | shingen | yeah, well... thats why I was on slackware 12.1 for all of 3 hours today |
| 02:49.04 | shingen | trying to find the right distro to stick with |
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| 02:49.18 | torroella | hello, my shutdown menu option is not there anymore, why? |
| 02:49.18 | shingen | don't really want to be on ubuntu cuz it's just... too watered down |
| 02:49.19 | Nyle | you don't find a distro |
| 02:49.23 | Nyle | a distro find you |
| 02:49.27 | shingen | lol |
| 02:49.39 | Nyle | debian found me in college in 2001 |
| 02:49.51 | Nyle | it hasn't let me go anywhere yet |
| 02:50.08 | shingen | well, I found slackware in college in '93... and then redhat found me in '96, and after that... I did windows till 2008 :P |
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| 02:50.21 | shingen | so uhh... I'm kinda retarded and lazy now :P |
| 02:50.30 | Nyle | shingen, I been using since 94! |
| 02:50.44 | Nyle | you are 1 year plus from me |
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| 02:50.47 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:50.57 | soblue | Windows Users Anonymous... |
| 02:51.04 | squisher | hehe |
| 02:51.14 | torroella | Nyle: remember when I told you about the aptitude was deleting programs? |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | torroella: not where anymore ? |
| 02:51.32 | Nyle | abrotman is a gnome user! |
| 02:51.35 | Nyle | bug him ;) |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | he didn't say gnome .. |
| 02:51.50 | Nyle | we know he uses gnome |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | we? |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | how many of you are there? |
| 02:52.03 | Nyle | collectively |
| 02:52.08 | Nyle | hes been in here enough with gnome problems |
| 02:52.12 | torroella | hahah gnome rulez! |
| 02:52.13 | spoon_man | i used mandrake years ago and abandoned it because enabling video card acceleration was a slice of hell |
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| 02:52.58 | pythonic | hi.. apt-get upgrade just upgraded dbus and libdbus-1-3 but i don't see advisories for those.. are advisories sometimes delayed? |
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| 02:53.13 | abrotman | pythonic: there was a DSA earlier today |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00180.html |
| 02:53.40 | pythonic | oh, it's just www.debian.org that's late.. |
| 02:54.11 | Nyle | torroella, how did you solve the gnome panel problem? |
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| 02:54.27 | torroella | Nyle: hohoho |
| 02:54.30 | torroella | let me find his nick |
| 02:54.34 | Nyle | santa? |
| 02:54.38 | pythonic | ok.. what's happening with the ruby vulnerabilities? |
| 02:54.39 | torroella | noé |
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| 02:54.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:54.48 | torroella | Nyle: look |
| 02:54.59 | Nyle | where I look? |
| 02:55.14 | torroella | here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 02:55.30 | torroella | that was/is the answer, thank you guys I don't remember the nick who helped me, but thanks again. |
| 02:55.38 | Nyle | ? |
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| 02:55.48 | facedown | Does anyone know of a plugin for Firefox 2 that will disable javascript/css downloading from a *SPECIFIC* site, not all sites? |
| 02:55.54 | Nyle | i told you about xrandr from the very beginning... |
| 02:55.59 | Nyle | pay attention. |
| 02:56.08 | stew | pythonic: check http://litss.debian.org/debian-security |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | lists |
| 02:56.20 | Nyle | facedown, yes |
| 02:56.23 | stew | yeah, something like that |
| 02:56.27 | Nyle | facedown, I believe it is called NoScript |
| 02:56.28 | facedown | Nyle: ? |
| 02:56.35 | Nyle | facedown, addons.mozilla.org |
| 02:56.53 | facedown | Awesome, thanks |
| 02:57.00 | pythonic | i have checked the lists |
| 02:57.13 | torroella | Nyle: but not the tv thing |
| 02:57.13 | stew | pythonic: then you probably know more than we do |
| 02:57.24 | stew | pythonic: is there a bug filed? |
| 02:57.28 | Nyle | torroella, your gnome was using the tv? |
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| 02:57.37 | torroella | Nyle: something like that I guess |
| 02:57.41 | Nyle | that explains it |
| 02:57.47 | Nyle | why gnome was stuck in that resoutoin |
| 02:57.48 | pythonic | stew: there was |
| 02:57.52 | craigevil | facedown: use NoScript or do it manually using security policies> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/ConfigPolicy.html |
| 02:57.53 | Nyle | but anyway good |
| 02:58.01 | stew | pythonic: then check there too |
| 02:58.12 | facedown | Awesome, thanks craigevil |
| 02:58.12 | torroella | yup |
| 02:58.26 | torroella | is there any gui irc client? |
| 02:58.31 | Nyle | xchat |
| 02:58.36 | beardy | Many. |
| 02:58.38 | torroella | irssi is so "white" |
| 02:58.43 | beardy | No. |
| 02:58.44 | Nyle | torroella, use themes |
| 02:58.45 | torroella | Nyle: which one do you use? |
| 02:58.49 | Nyle | irssi |
| 02:58.54 | Nyle | Imade my own theme |
| 02:58.56 | stew | torroella: you can easily change the colors of irssi |
| 02:59.00 | torroella | is there anyway to set nick to the right? |
| 02:59.03 | Nyle | yes |
| 02:59.07 | beardy | The default is not white. |
| 02:59.11 | Nyle | go to irssi.org and read the documentation tab |
| 02:59.14 | torroella | mine is white lol |
| 02:59.16 | torroella | Nyle: thanks |
| 02:59.19 | Nyle | in the tips and tricks is the way to do it right aligned |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | i think he meant a nick list on the right |
| 02:59.34 | Nyle | change -9 (default align char lenght) with -XX however many you want |
| 02:59.35 | beardy | torroella: Then you use a white background in your terminal. |
| 02:59.35 | pythonic | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487238 |
| 02:59.53 | beardy | But as said, there are many themes. |
| 02:59.54 | Nyle | install irssi-scripts and /script load nicklist and run irssi inside screen |
| 03:00.03 | Nyle | after which you do /nicklist screen |
| 03:00.07 | Nyle | voila... |
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| 03:00.23 | torroella | oh thanks |
| 03:00.27 | Nyle | but thats lame though imo. it wastes space too |
| 03:00.30 | torroella | I am reading about xchat |
| 03:00.36 | torroella | seems grati |
| 03:01.04 | Nyle | torroella, irssi is the best of the best of the best when it comes to irc |
| 03:01.04 | torroella | Nyle: send us your desktop screenshoot |
| 03:01.05 | torroella | :D |
| 03:01.11 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:01.17 | torroella | Nyle: ok, im gonna read about irssi then |
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| 03:03.14 | Nyle | torroella, http://picpaste.com/kde.jpg |
| 03:03.25 | n-iCe | kde ? ;/ |
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| 03:03.31 | Nyle | includes my irssi theme |
| 03:03.52 | Sazpaimon | alright, dondelelcaro |
| 03:04.01 | Sazpaimon | i installed munin, and some apache_watch module |
| 03:04.07 | Sazpaimon | enabled the munin plugin |
| 03:04.22 | Sazpaimon | but all my domains are giving "nan" |
| 03:04.38 | Sazpaimon | should i wait a while before running munin again or something |
| 03:04.49 | n-iCe | Nyle: let me back on xchat |
| 03:04.51 | n-iCe | I liked it |
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| 03:05.11 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you need to make sure you've enabled mod_status |
| 03:05.29 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, so mod_watch isnt enough? |
| 03:05.41 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: I don't even know what mod_watch is |
| 03:06.02 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: mod_status just enables the typical localhost/server-status display to work, which is what munin checks to see what apache is up to |
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| 03:06.06 | n-ice | I'm here. |
| 03:06.12 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, http://wiki.ruberg.no/index.php/Munin_apache_watch |
| 03:06.22 | Nyle | n-ice, I made this do you like? |
| 03:06.27 | Nyle | n-ice, http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_2.jpg |
| 03:06.29 | Sazpaimon | its supposed to give individual domain statistics |
| 03:06.41 | extor | In the Debian Manifesto, Murdock called for the creation of a distribution to be maintained in an open manner, in the spirit of Linux and GNU. He formed the name "Debian" as a combination of the first name of his girlfriend (later wife, now ex-wife) Debra and his own first name. |
| 03:06.45 | Nyle | n-ice, gimpy layers and logos from debian.org |
| 03:06.49 | n-ice | Nyle, shit, hell yeah, did you do it really? |
| 03:06.57 | Nyle | yessir i did |
| 03:06.59 | n-ice | Did you study desgn? |
| 03:07.04 | Nyle | no |
| 03:07.23 | Nyle | i follow gimp tutorial and I look up things I don't know like definitions and other stuff about photos and digital imaging |
| 03:07.29 | Nyle | couple hours |
| 03:07.34 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: could be; for your situtation though, the mod_status with the default munin configuration will tell you what's going on |
| 03:07.40 | beardy | Too bright for my taste. |
| 03:07.44 | enouf | continues to define things for Nyle :-) |
| 03:07.48 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, alright |
| 03:07.53 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:08.00 | Sazpaimon | it's a static module right? I dont need to recompile anything |
| 03:08.05 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: though that plugin could be useful too... I've just never used it. |
| 03:08.06 | facedown | Hey, sorry to bother yall again but is there also a flag for images as well? |
| 03:08.14 | facedown | I mean, disallow downloading of images from X site |
| 03:08.18 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you just a2enmod status; then configure it to make sure it's enabled and allowed from localhost |
| 03:08.26 | facedown | And since we're at it, css too? |
| 03:08.31 | n-ice | Nyle, let me see how looks as wallpaper |
| 03:08.43 | Nyle | facedown, adblock? remove it permanently, couple of others |
| 03:08.56 | facedown | Basically I'm trying to disallow anything coming from only *ONE* domain, the images, css, and js of ONE domain |
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| 03:09.15 | Nyle | facedown, Ithink "Remove it Permanantly" is the best extension for that, you can remove elements on domains, websites, similar pages, certain elements or all iamges |
| 03:09.15 | facedown | but i need the markup obviously |
| 03:09.18 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 03:09.19 | facedown | Oh |
| 03:09.28 | facedown | Nice, thank you |
| 03:09.33 | facedown | You know tons of em, heh |
| 03:09.53 | Nyle | I'm very anal about web browsing |
| 03:10.02 | Nyle | ads and other bullshit simply irritate me |
| 03:10.06 | facedown | hehe |
| 03:10.17 | facedown | This is for an application that my company uses |
| 03:10.23 | facedown | They picked the wrong guy to code it, entirely |
| 03:10.29 | facedown | Too much bullshit waste of bytes and http requests |
| 03:10.43 | facedown | I'm going to block all the css/images/js and have a personalized version of it that runs fast |
| 03:10.52 | facedown | It runs extremely well with js blocked already, not even without css/images |
| 03:11.08 | Nyle | n-ice, here is a one i made this has no debian text only smoke logo and its higher res |
| 03:11.13 | Nyle | n-ice, http://picpaste.com/pics/debian_bg.1214536244.jpg |
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| 03:12.03 | Nyle | I will make lots more but i am learning gimip right now |
| 03:12.12 | beardy | Use PNG. |
| 03:12.23 | Sazpaimon | odd |
| 03:12.24 | Nyle | I saved as jpg tosave file space |
| 03:12.30 | Sazpaimon | i added my server-status alias |
| 03:12.33 | Nyle | I have all copies in xcf format |
| 03:12.34 | Sazpaimon | and that's 403ing me |
| 03:12.48 | spoon_man | it is a pretty small file for the image size -- less than 40k |
| 03:13.12 | Nyle | yeh i look up how to optimize jpg images for size/quality |
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| 03:13.30 | Nyle | png is awesome but jpg can be really smaller |
| 03:13.38 | Nyle | png is not so small |
| 03:14.04 | n-ice | you did so good Nyle |
| 03:14.09 | Nyle | thanks man |
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| 03:15.50 | Nyle | n-ice, gimme suggesstion for more colors and/or designs |
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| 03:15.56 | Nyle | n-ice, join #debian-offtopic |
| 03:15.57 | Nyle | ! |
| 03:15.59 | soblue | Nyle: Do you know of a plug in that turns foreign language websites into pages full of links to their English translations? That would be really useful for me. |
| 03:16.11 | Nyle | soblue, yes |
| 03:16.25 | Nyle | soblue, hang on imdoing something |
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| 03:16.45 | jaggz1 | I thought I saw celestia was in the packages before but now I don't see it in etch |
| 03:16.56 | enouf | really annoys me when b0z0s post tables or text as jpeg, they should use png, so you can zoom and still maintain clarity |
| 03:17.16 | beardy | jaggz1: Google it a bit. I liked that one too. IIRC it may have been repackaged/changed name. |
| 03:17.44 | enouf | much crisper text too |
| 03:18.12 | beardy | jaggz1: ..or some other problem. It is apparently in sid. |
| 03:18.35 | jaggz1 | I'm downloading the source code.. will compile up the puppy and checkinstall it |
| 03:18.47 | jaggz1 | oh.. weird.. I did a search.. oohh.. i searched only stable, no wonder |
| 03:18.48 | Nyle | yeh ok |
| 03:18.51 | Nyle | who wanted info |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | soblue, yeh ok try foxlingo |
| 03:19.11 | Nyle | soblue, addons.mozilla.org search Foxlingo |
| 03:19.15 | soblue | Nyle: okay, I will, thanks. |
| 03:19.31 | Nyle | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2444 |
| 03:19.35 | Nyle | in fact Ihave it installed :) |
| 03:20.02 | facedown | wow |
| 03:20.14 | facedown | you've installed every extension possible one day huh? |
| 03:21.32 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:21.39 | Nyle | NoxIn, only the useful ones. :) |
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| 03:21.55 | Nyle | fuck |
| 03:21.58 | Nyle | no<comma> |
| 03:23.42 | Nyle | is there something like Caligari's TrueSpace ? |
| 03:23.50 | Nyle | for linux/opensource/free? |
| 03:24.05 | Nyle | 3d modelling, rendering, animation, with similar controls/gui |
| 03:24.31 | beardy | Not sure what that is. But blender is what you want maybe. |
| 03:24.42 | Nyle | I have blender |
| 03:24.47 | Nyle | maybe I should lookup blender tutorials. |
| 03:24.54 | beardy | Do that. |
| 03:25.01 | DogBoy | can't get sound card working on lenny beta 2 |
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| 03:25.22 | DogBoy | tried like 3 different cards and reinstalling |
| 03:25.22 | facedown | Nyle: - happen to know an efficient plugin for custom stylesheets? |
| 03:25.25 | Nyle | I once picked up a book in 1995 called, how to be a 3d animator, and it came with a demo cdrom withi many 3d modelling programs and it was awesome |
| 03:25.56 | beardy | Nyle: One has to keep playing with it, many things to remember, but it's quite fun. |
| 03:26.03 | Nyle | facedown, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1386 |
| 03:26.20 | facedown | nice |
| 03:26.42 | CaT[t3] | dogboy: is your user in the audio group? |
| 03:27.03 | stew | DogBoy: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 03:28.05 | DogBoy | ah sweet |
| 03:28.25 | DogBoy | it must be something simple like that because it seems to be working yet not working |
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| 03:30.00 | Nyle | man I like True Space |
| 03:30.18 | Wyzard | I've been meaning to learn to use Blender |
| 03:30.20 | Nyle | best sw i ever used |
| 03:30.33 | DogBoy | I don't see an audio group, does that mean I make one |
| 03:30.39 | Wyzard | That's a free and pretty good 3D modeler, though I doubt it's anything like TrueSpace |
| 03:31.02 | Nyle | Wyzard, I started using truespace from version 2.0 |
| 03:31.09 | Nyle | 1995 april |
| 03:31.13 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:31.41 | Nyle | http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/ImagesGallery/2008/may/images/3678.jpg |
| 03:31.49 | Nyle | stunning. |
| 03:31.54 | facedown | Oh shit |
| 03:32.01 | Wyzard | cool |
| 03:32.01 | facedown | Now, get rid of the dress |
| 03:32.13 | facedown | Doggystyle on top of bed! |
| 03:32.22 | Nyle | facedown, highly inappropriate. |
| 03:32.29 | Wyzard | Nyle: http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/gallery/art-gallery/ |
| 03:32.34 | facedown | Dont share that one though |
| 03:32.42 | Nyle | I've seen it |
| 03:32.44 | Nyle | blender is nice |
| 03:32.50 | Nyle | though i find it rather hard to use |
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| 03:33.35 | \3TATUK | Anyone know anything about getting OpenGL apps running with an "ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133" on Etch? |
| 03:33.48 | Nyle | \3TATUK, finally you join here |
| 03:33.52 | soblue | Nyle: thank you for the suggestion, but foxlingo doesn't work for me. it just translates a page or selection (and actually it didn't even do that because it relied on a web engine that has been taken down). |
| 03:33.53 | Nyle | \3TATUK, /msg dpkg ati |
| 03:34.01 | \3TATUK | I've been here the entire time. ;x |
| 03:35.01 | \3TATUK | dpkg only responds with info about radeon/firegl |
| 03:35.02 | dpkg | \3TATUK: wish i knew |
| 03:35.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do you select what window manager you want under Xorg? I'm used to editing the .xinitrc file to choose which one, but there's nothing in there and it boots into xfce without me being able to choose anything |
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| 03:35.12 | Nyle | !radeon |
| 03:35.12 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. |
| 03:35.16 | Nyle | read this. |
| 03:35.17 | soblue | what i wanted was a plug-in that would take every word on the page and turn it into a link which would display the translation when you clicked on it, like lernu.net does (I'm trying to learn esperanto) |
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| 03:36.09 | \3TATUK | Nyle: Note, I already install fglrx-driver and set xorg.conf to use "fglrx" but X fails to start.. |
| 03:36.20 | soblue | i didn't want full machine translation, just a quick way to be reminded what an individual word means |
| 03:36.20 | \3TATUK | I haven't tried "radeon" yet, but I will. |
| 03:36.42 | Nyle | don't use fglrx |
| 03:36.55 | \3TATUK | Even though it says 'all models'. |
| 03:37.05 | \3TATUK | Apparently legacy models are excluded. ;x |
| 03:37.10 | Nyle | yes they are |
| 03:37.19 | jaggz1 | some wmv files/streams don't play now.. they're 'encrypted' .. and in windows I'd have to update some DRM (digital rights management) things, but I don't know what to do in linux |
| 03:37.24 | Nyle | soblue, it works here |
| 03:37.26 | \3TATUK | Do I have to do anything special to enable DRI after installing libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 03:37.37 | Nyle | soblue, I'm translating right now.. foxlingo ues many diff engines to translate |
| 03:37.40 | Nyle | it deson't only dpeend on one |
| 03:37.45 | soblue | Nyle: It does what I just said? |
| 03:37.50 | Nyle | use google, it almost always works, then yo have altavista, bablel |
| 03:38.01 | Nyle | soblue, oh those |
| 03:38.13 | Nyle | soblue, you may have some luck with greasemoney + userscripts.org |
| 03:38.22 | \3TATUK | Are you referring _me_ to google? |
| 03:38.40 | Nyle | soblue, but I doubt anything like that exists, that requires large processing and can render pages very slowly |
| 03:38.44 | Nyle | or make browser lag |
| 03:38.52 | Nyle | \3TATUK, no |
| 03:38.55 | soblue | Nyle: Okay. That sounds good. I'll look into it. |
| 03:39.07 | Dewi | jaggz1: there is unlikely to be a legitimate way to play crypted stuff |
| 03:39.14 | soblue | Nyle: Well, I know that lernu.net does it for all of their Esperanto pages. |
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| 03:39.36 | Nyle | \3TATUK, use the radeon driver it will work |
| 03:39.45 | Dewi | jaggz1: often cracks exist, and other times you can bootstrap windows binaries and make things work, but it's all grey-market black-magic stuff |
| 03:39.46 | Nyle | \3TATUK, it also provides 3d and 2d accel |
| 03:39.47 | jaggz1 | it's not illigitimate or not.. it's a stream from my school.. but they made a change to one of the countries and it just requires a windows update, which we'll do.. but I don't know what to do under linux |
| 03:39.59 | Nyle | \3TATUK, its good and open source, fglrx on the other hand, sucks |
| 03:40.16 | \3TATUK | Are you sure 'radeon' is open source? |
| 03:40.22 | \3TATUK | Not.. 'radeonhd'? |
| 03:40.22 | Nyle | yes. |
| 03:40.26 | Nyle | both are |
| 03:40.28 | Nyle | join #radeon |
| 03:40.33 | Wyzard | jaggz1: "legitimate" refers to the decryption process, not the content itself |
| 03:40.35 | \3TATUK | Then what's the difference? |
| 03:40.38 | Nyle | fglrx is the closed source driver |
| 03:40.44 | Nyle | radeon is developed by xorg/opensource |
| 03:40.57 | Nyle | radeon is the name of the ati video card series also |
| 03:41.00 | Dewi | jaggz1: if it's just a newer codec and not difficult crypto, and no newer decoder is available in the main players, players like mplayer can use wine-like tools to bootstrap the DLLs from windows... |
| 03:41.02 | jaggz1 | it's so irritating because it means I can only watch it in windows.. and I have to update xp's stuff... I see.. thanks. |
| 03:41.15 | Wyzard | jaggz1: Even if you're "allowed" to watch the video, if you don't have an authorized decoder you're breaking the copy protection, which is illegal in some countries |
| 03:41.26 | jaggz1 | yeah.. I installed those w32codecs pack a year ago or whatever |
| 03:41.35 | Nyle | w64codecs |
| 03:41.39 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:41.47 | \3TATUK | Nyle: But it appears there are two xorg drivers: 'radeon', and 'radeonhd'-- or am I mistaken? |
| 03:41.55 | Nyle | \3TATUK, you do not need radeonhd |
| 03:42.06 | Nyle | \3TATUK, radeon is good for all the radeon cards |
| 03:42.16 | Dewi | jaggz1: maybe a newer one would help, but all this stuff is less than legal nowadays even in some countries outside the USA |
| 03:42.19 | Nyle | you do not have anything that required radeonhd |
| 03:42.52 | \3TATUK | But for curiosities sake? |
| 03:43.03 | \3TATUK | It's just meant for newer radeon cards, I suppose? |
| 03:43.09 | Dewi | jaggz1: write a letter to the education minister, or whatever :P |
| 03:43.37 | Dewi | I don't get why governments, which used to be so careful about these things, are so willing to get involved with big corps |
| 03:43.49 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:43.56 | Dewi | I mean look at the BBC, they still can't mention brand names on air, but online they tie everything to realplayer etc |
| 03:43.57 | soblue | Nyle: When you have time, take a look at this webpage, and try clicking on one of the foreign language words: http://en.lernu.net/lernado/gramatiko/detala/index.php |
| 03:44.00 | Dewi | it's crazy |
| 03:44.09 | Dewi | even in cases where there is no crypto, they do it |
| 03:44.15 | Nyle | my back hurts |
| 03:44.21 | Nyle | oh a pillow helps |
| 03:44.24 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 03:44.33 | Nyle | getting older |
| 03:44.39 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 03:44.40 | \3TATUK | Do I have to do anything other than have 'Load "dri"' in my Module section of xorg.conf to enable libgl1-mesa-dri? |
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| 03:45.02 | Nyle | should be it |
| 03:45.13 | Wyzard | Dewi: They can't even mention a brand name in a non-endorsing way? |
| 03:45.14 | Juventino | hey guys, does firefox 3 work on ETCH?? |
| 03:45.15 | jaggz1 | yeah.. it was strange when we started using realplayer.. but it has a cool name which I think is appropriate for this school.. |
| 03:45.19 | Nyle | Juventino, no |
| 03:45.24 | Dewi | Wyzard: not if they can avoid it |
| 03:45.27 | jaggz1 | then they switched to windows media stuff.. I'm not sure why |
| 03:45.41 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 03:45.41 | dpkg | well, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 03:45.49 | \3TATUK | Thanks Nyle, you stoner! :) |
| 03:45.51 | Dewi | Wyzard: like, if they actually wanted to talk about, say, MS vs DOJ they could mention issues relating to that, but doing something like calling tissues 'kleenex' is very frowned upon |
| 03:45.54 | Nyle | !tell Juventino -about firefox 3 etch |
| 03:46.01 | Nyle | \3TATUK, how did you know? |
| 03:46.09 | Nyle | \3TATUK, I've never spoken to you before? |
| 03:46.16 | Wyzard | Dewi: ah... well, the latter case could potentially be construed as an endorsement |
| 03:46.16 | Nyle | and I used to be a stoner :) |
| 03:46.20 | \3TATUK | Just look at your eyes! ^_^ |
| 03:46.38 | Juventino | Nyle, is it ok to install the lib? i googled it already, but i just wanted to make sure |
| 03:46.48 | Dewi | Wyzard: sometimes they have to choose very odd ways to refer to products we don't have other names for. |
| 03:46.56 | Nyle | I don't think so |
| 03:47.06 | Nyle | its not just gtk only |
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| 03:47.23 | Nyle | also ff3 breaks tons of extenions that have no yet been updated |
| 03:47.26 | Nyle | stick with iceweasel 2 |
| 03:47.28 | Juventino | Nyle, so i'm better off with iceweasel? |
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| 03:47.46 | \amethyst | Nyle: your ircname is showing :) |
| 03:47.48 | Nyle | wait a while for iceweasel 3 as I'm sure someone will port it for etch soon enough |
| 03:47.49 | Dewi | Wyzard: they've been failing pretty badly at not calling mp3 players 'ipods' :P |
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| 03:47.54 | Wyzard | Dewi: and that's all because it's publicly-funded, right? |
| 03:47.56 | Nyle | \amethyst, ? |
| 03:48.02 | Nyle | i don't get it |
| 03:48.08 | \3TATUK | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7032 |
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| 03:48.25 | Dewi | Wyzard: it's part of the old charter, considered one of the safeguards to do with publically funded broadcasters, yes |
| 03:48.49 | Wyzard | Dewi: One could argue that the rule is doing you a disservice by hampering the quality of the TV programming that you pay for :-) |
| 03:48.50 | ootput | hi guys. i'm using an ibm thinkpad notebook atm. I ran across several debian+etch hibernate scripts that people came up with, and I'm currently using one called suspend.sh (on the forums, iirc). I stumbled across a man page today for hibernate, and it looks like debian already implemented something similar to the script. Of course, the native script lacked resume to X, and I was wondering if there was any other native script that did this |
| 03:49.08 | ootput | same with suspend |
| 03:49.21 | Dewi | Wyzard: although I don't think the BBC-modelled broadcaster in my country (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) bothers wtih that policy |
| 03:50.00 | Juventino | ootput, IMHO debian isn't the best choice for Laptops in general.. but again i might be mistaken |
| 03:50.00 | jaggz1 | ahh.. in XP's media player, tools, options, there's an option "Aquire licenses automatically for protected content." If we check that it works. |
| 03:50.07 | jaggz1 | I need the equivalent for xine/mplayer :) |
| 03:50.11 | Dewi | Wyzard: yeah in all honesty it seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. There are much more serious concerns with news neutrality and stuff, although I still think they deliver less biased news than the big american corps |
| 03:50.15 | Wyzard | Dewi: oh, ok (I was assuming you're in the UK and are directly served by the BBC) |
| 03:50.18 | Nyle | Debian is never the best choice |
| 03:50.22 | Nyle | unfortunately |
| 03:50.25 | facedown | hm |
| 03:50.26 | dondelelcaro | ootput: depends on the laptop, actually; if it's just X that isn't comming back, switching vts generally fixes it. |
| 03:50.26 | facedown | I'm on debian ;p |
| 03:50.30 | jaggz1 | Nule, what's the best choice? |
| 03:50.30 | Nyle | but.. |
| 03:50.34 | Nyle | the right tool for the right job. |
| 03:50.39 | facedown | Nyle: - you have some RIPs setup? |
| 03:50.41 | Nyle | be it debian or otherwise. |
| 03:50.43 | facedown | how can i add rips? |
| 03:50.47 | Nyle | rips? |
| 03:50.54 | Dewi | Wyzard: the funny thing is that americans think their media is left-biased, and the rest of the world sees it as right-biased :) |
| 03:50.55 | facedown | oh sorry, the plugin you mentioned |
| 03:51.13 | facedown | the ff add on to block * from anything |
| 03:51.28 | Nyle | remove it permanently? |
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| 03:51.30 | facedown | there's an "Import RIP" button - you cant add it? |
| 03:51.38 | Nyle | I don't support it |
| 03:51.39 | facedown | I mean, theres no wizard/dummy mode? |
| 03:51.41 | facedown | eh? |
| 03:51.47 | Wyzard | Dewi: US news is big on sensationalism... but I can't really say much about it since I avoid watching it (don't even own a TV, actually) |
| 03:51.48 | Nyle | I don't know it, I use it simply to right click something and remove. |
| 03:51.53 | facedown | Oh |
| 03:51.56 | dondelelcaro | ootput: in general uswsusp should do the right thing regardless, and it's what you should be doing. [In cases where it won't suspend, but only hibernates, that means it doesn't support your bios/chipset directly, and you'll have to figure out why.] |
| 03:52.21 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard, Dewi: #debian-offtopic is perfect for your conversation... |
| 03:52.25 | ootput | dondelelcaro: so hibernate (native) can be used by itself? |
| 03:52.36 | Dewi | Wyzard: it's also interesting that the main fear americans have of public broadcasting - that it becomes a mouthpiece for government policy - hasn't happened here. The public media is particularly left-wing, even when the government is right, probably partly because public broadcasting is a "big gov" type service |
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| 03:52.40 | dondelelcaro | ootput: we don't use the native hibernation; there's little point to it. |
| 03:52.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 03:52.49 | ootput | dondelelcaro: native to debian |
| 03:52.49 | Nyle | just joint it |
| 03:52.51 | Nyle | join it |
| 03:52.51 | ootput | dondelelcaro: the script |
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| 03:53.01 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.07 | ootput | from whichever package it came from |
| 03:53.17 | dondelelcaro | ootput: I don't know about the script that you're using; uswsusp is what we've moved most everything to, and it's what the hibernate package calls now. |
| 03:53.21 | Nyle | its easy to join, doesn't cost a thing |
| 03:53.30 | jaggz1 | Is there a xine/mplayer equivalent for this option? XP->Media Player->Tools->Options [X] "Aquire licenses automatically for protected content." |
| 03:53.33 | dondelelcaro | (well, possibly what it calls) |
| 03:53.41 | dondelelcaro | jaggz1: no |
| 03:53.47 | Nyle | jaggz1, no |
| 03:54.11 | Wyzard | jaggz1: no, implementing that would require signing licenses and NDAs and it's basically impossible to make a legal open-source implementation of that DRM system |
| 03:54.13 | dondelelcaro | (since there's no RFC that explains how you're supposed to get such licenses or otherwise do TPM) |
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| 03:54.38 | Nyle | haven't people found ways to decode and/or strip drm? |
| 03:54.45 | Nyle | is that illegal for #debian discussion? |
| 03:54.47 | Nyle | probably. |
| 03:54.50 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: depends on the DRM. |
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| 03:55.17 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, i didn't know there were many diff kinds |
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| 03:55.34 | jaggz1 | damn.. if I do it in windows, is there a way of snatching some files and including them in linux? |
| 03:55.35 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it's pretty much an arms race, so yeah, there are thousands. |
| 03:55.47 | dondelelcaro | jaggz1: probably, but that's off topic for us. |
| 03:56.04 | dondelelcaro | jaggz1: talk to your media provider, and get them to provide the files that you're viewing in an open format. |
| 03:56.20 | Wyzard | Nyle: Microsoft's DRM for Windows Media is called PlaysForSure, but there's a different system used by the Zune, and then there's the FairPlay system used by iTunes, and something else used by RealMedia, etc. |
| 03:56.25 | jaggz1 | I have a question. Can debian somehow include files from XP once it's obtained the DRM rights to watch a stream? ;) |
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| 03:56.39 | dondelelcaro | jaggz1: data is data. |
| 03:56.40 | Dewi | jaggz1: DRM is designed to make that impossible |
| 03:56.47 | Nyle | i see |
| 03:56.51 | jaggz1 | okay.. I've bugged you enough.. thanks :) |
| 03:56.53 | pickcoder | jaggz1: you can unprotect WMVs if you have an original signature |
| 03:56.54 | Dewi | jaggz1: they are getting better at it, but yes, it's the weak point in all DRM |
| 03:56.57 | pickcoder | goolgle it |
| 03:57.00 | Nyle | hey pickcoder I got somthing for ya |
| 03:57.06 | pickcoder | google even |
| 03:57.14 | jaggz1 | ohh.. that's not a bad idea.. I could convert them with one of those softwares.. like mediaman or whatever that one is |
| 03:57.27 | ootput | dondelelcaro: what is used typically to suspend? |
| 03:57.28 | Wyzard | jaggz1: See if you can convince your school to not DRM their video stream... |
| 03:57.33 | dondelelcaro | ootput: uswusp |
| 03:57.46 | dondelelcaro | ootput: generally people call s2ram, s2disk or s2both directly |
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| 03:57.54 | Nyle | pickcoder, http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_red.jpg - http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_grey.jpg - http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_blue.jpg |
| 03:58.05 | Nyle | pickcoder, you wanted light soothing colors, so i made some for you :) |
| 03:58.14 | jaggz1 | yeah.. I don't know what their reasoning for doing it is.. It's just that one day's broadcast... |
| 03:58.44 | ootput | dondelelcaro: this script can be passed two args: with suspend, it calls: echo -n mem > /sys/power/state |
| 03:58.47 | dondelelcaro | ootput: or they use something that like hibernate that handles /sys/power/state correctly. |
| 03:58.54 | Wyzard | accident maybe? |
| 03:59.06 | dondelelcaro | ootput: yes, but it has to do more than that on most hardware |
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| 03:59.29 | dondelelcaro | ootput: that's why uswusp is used; it handles saving and re-initializing the display hardware correctly. |
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| 03:59.53 | dondelelcaro | (and a few other random hardware-specific problems) |
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| 04:00.39 | Nyle | pickcoder, I like the gray one and the blue one is nice too |
| 04:00.43 | Kumool | how do i take out the login chooser when it starts? |
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| 04:00.52 | Nyle | !tell Kumool -about nodm |
| 04:01.03 | DogBoy | that alsa checklist did the trick |
| 04:01.11 | ootput | dondelelcaro: the script i use has been pasted at http://pastebin.ca/1056932. I don't do anything else besides pass arguments to it |
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| 04:01.34 | ootput | i'm asking here about it because even in hibernation, my battery is still drained as normal |
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| 04:02.22 | ootput | dondelelcaro: as you can see, besides adjusting clock and switching vt's, nothing else is done |
| 04:02.35 | dondelelcaro | ootput: you mean suspend? in hibernation, the machine is shut down entirely. |
| 04:03.31 | DogBoy | thanks CaT[t3] & stew |
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| 04:03.47 | dondelelcaro | ootput: and instead of that entire script, you can just use s2disk and s2ram; both of them should work properly. |
| 04:03.52 | WormFood | you can hibernate a machine, and boot it into another OS, then restore Linux |
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| 04:04.17 | WormFood | or, resume linux from hibernate, after exiting the other OS |
| 04:04.23 | ootput | dondelelcaro: in hibernation |
| 04:04.55 | ootput | WormFood: that's 'resume' in bootloader options, right? |
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| 04:05.19 | ootput | dondelelcaro: how do you call either when you're after suspend or hibernate? |
| 04:05.33 | ootput | personally. Do you do anything else? |
| 04:06.08 | dondelelcaro | ootput: I don't use anything else but s2disk and s2ram. |
| 04:07.14 | WormFood | ootput, no, when you hibernate the computer, it saves the state to disk, when you reboot, one of the startup scrips checks for the hibernate file, and it is exists, it will resume Linux where you hibernated it |
| 04:07.45 | WormFood | it greatly saves on the startup time |
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| 04:08.24 | WormFood | you select the same option on your bootloader you started Linux with....it is the start up scripts that resume, not the bootloader |
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| 04:10.11 | JyZyXEL | !dos |
| 04:10.11 | dpkg | i heard dos is denial of service or the OS with all the good games ;). Dodgy Operating System |
| 04:11.09 | ootput | WormFood: that's what I thought. But say I hibernate at 80% battery remaining. Hours later, the battery is flat |
| 04:11.26 | WormFood | that is a problem with your hardware |
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| 04:11.41 | WormFood | even in suspend to ram, it should last quite a while |
| 04:11.44 | ootput | would a battery lose it's charge while it's not used? |
| 04:11.47 | WormFood | are you sure it is not the battery? |
| 04:12.17 | WormFood | quite likely the battery is bad, OR something in the computer is a load on the battery, even when it is turned off |
| 04:12.27 | WormFood | how exactly are you putting it into hibernate mode? |
| 04:13.16 | WormFood | the battery, if it is good, should not lose its charge |
| 04:13.18 | keith4_ | so.... I had a disk die in a raid 5 array. it's currently rebuilding onto the spare. if I don't want to replace the disk, do I just leave it like this now? http://rafb.net/p/8rzSMa17.html |
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| 04:13.31 | ootput | i posted a link earlier to the script i'[m using, but essentially, it calls /usr/sbin/s2disk |
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| 04:14.41 | Kumool | Nyle, if i do take out gdm then wont there be any display? |
| 04:15.09 | Nyle | Kumool, you can start X using 'startx' |
| 04:15.09 | Kumool | Nyle, i simply tho it was so because if tried killing it :) |
| 04:15.17 | Kumool | ah ok thx |
| 04:15.29 | Nyle | WormFood, hey whats up |
| 04:15.48 | WormFood | ootput, there is a hibernate-disk on my debian sid system, tnat I simply use...have you tried calling that? |
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| 04:16.21 | WormFood | hi Nyle, just working on a web site, and ircing |
| 04:17.07 | Nyle | i love facebook! |
| 04:17.20 | Nyle | my whole family is on it, people i haven't seen in years |
| 04:17.25 | Nyle | hasn't been to paksitan in 12 years |
| 04:17.55 | ootput | WormFood: no. i'm using etch. both hibernate-disk and hibernate-ram point to hibernate |
| 04:18.16 | ootput | what would be the point of hibernate-ram? wouldn't ram be flushed at reboot? |
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| 04:18.57 | mxmx | sup |
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| 04:19.23 | mxmx | has onyone installed libogg before? |
| 04:19.25 | WormFood | no ootput, in hibernate-ram, it suspends to ram |
| 04:19.31 | WormFood | the ram is still powered up |
| 04:19.37 | pickcoder | Nyle: http://picpaste.com/debian-gravel.jpg |
| 04:19.43 | WormFood | that would run your battery flat |
| 04:19.46 | Nyle | mxmx, no, no one has installed libogg. Not even the people who isntalled it. |
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| 04:20.09 | WormFood | you can't run hibernate-ram, and boot into another OS |
| 04:20.10 | Nyle | pickcoder, oh boy! |
| 04:20.15 | Nyle | pickcoder, oooooooglay |
| 04:20.29 | WormFood | you use hibernate-ram, when you want to stop the computer for a very short period of time |
| 04:20.43 | WormFood | perhaps, moving it from one room to another |
| 04:21.09 | landet | libogg.so.0.5.3 or another libogg |
| 04:21.10 | mxmx | . |
| 04:21.14 | mxmx | do u know what i meant |
| 04:21.27 | mxmx | hold on |
| 04:21.37 | mxmx | libogglibogg-1.1.3 |
| 04:21.39 | mxmx | er |
| 04:21.40 | mxmx | libogg-1.1.3 |
| 04:22.18 | landet | yes indeed that is it |
| 04:22.26 | WormFood | with hibernate-disk, I have 1 problem with my laptop (thinkpad T30), if the sound card is in use at the time of hibernate, it will not work when I come out of hibernate, unless I stop all software accessing the sound card (usually icemonkey), and unload and reload the audio driver |
| 04:22.48 | pickcoder | Nyle: to each his own |
| 04:23.19 | mxmx | well i installed it |
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| 04:23.25 | mxmx | but when i installed fmpeg |
| 04:23.29 | ootput | WormFood: i get that too on my thinkpad x23 |
| 04:23.33 | WormFood | sometimes restoring from hibernate-disk, it will lock up....and sometimes the clock will be 12 hours slow...I think those 2 problems are related |
| 04:23.39 | mxmx | it does not have the option for libogg |
| 04:23.48 | ootput | WormFood: i thought native debian hibernte scripts handled unloading/reloading of problematic modules |
| 04:24.04 | landet | ffmpeg you mean - it probably picks it up automatically like mplayer |
| 04:24.17 | WormFood | well, I guess you can't unload the modules while they are in use |
| 04:24.40 | WormFood | because when the sound card is not in use, then audio from hibernate works fine |
| 04:24.41 | mxmx | yeh |
| 04:25.02 | landet | have you tried to play a ogg (sound) and ogg movie |
| 04:25.48 | Nyle | pickcoder, indeed. Its nice, I just don't find it attractive. |
| 04:26.00 | Nyle | pickcoder, I'm sorry for the ooooglay part. Its very nice. |
| 04:26.01 | ootput | WormFood: did you figure out how to find out which apps were using the sound device? |
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| 04:27.15 | Nyle | food for worms |
| 04:27.18 | Nyle | apples or humans/ |
| 04:28.40 | facedown | wow |
| 04:28.45 | facedown | sooooooooooooo tireddddddd |
| 04:30.11 | WormFood | yes ootput, with "lsof" |
| 04:30.18 | Nyle | facedownrecords |
| 04:30.31 | WormFood | both Nyle |
| 04:30.33 | Nyle | your source for free samples of hardcore bands they sign |
| 04:30.34 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:30.41 | WormFood | you know what is worse than finding a worm in your apple? |
| 04:30.48 | WormFood | finding 1/2 a worm in your apple |
| 04:30.49 | Nyle | finding a worm in your gut? |
| 04:30.57 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 04:30.59 | ootput | finding an apple in your worm? |
| 04:31.00 | Nyle | that is pretty nasty |
| 04:31.11 | Nyle | that a mighty big worm! |
| 04:31.20 | ootput | ta |
| 04:32.22 | Nyle | I used to pre order everything from facedown records, never been disappointed by a band they have ever signed |
| 04:32.33 | Nyle | but then i didn't like hardcore too much, evolved to death metal |
| 04:32.41 | Nyle | but thats neither here nor there. |
| 04:33.16 | ootput | so, without looking at lyrics for the song, are you able to make out words in a death metal song? |
| 04:33.29 | Nyle | most of the times yes |
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| 04:34.19 | magyar | hi, how do I enable suexec with apache-modconf ? |
| 04:35.29 | wols_ | magyar: a2enmod ? |
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| 04:36.14 | Nyle | alright boys and girls |
| 04:36.25 | Nyle | I'm going to watch a movie and pass out, help ya'll tomorrow. |
| 04:36.34 | WormFood | have fun Nyle |
| 04:36.44 | WormFood | I gotta go do some real work |
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| 04:38.09 | magyar | wols_: apache 1.3 not apache2 |
| 04:38.28 | wols_ | why would you still use 1.3? |
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| 04:38.52 | mosty | i installed tftpd in etch, i restarted openbsd-inetd then connect with a tftp client, but i can't download any files. while connected i cant see "tftp" in the output from ps aux |
| 04:39.46 | mosty | based on the inetd.conf i think it should have its files in /srv/tftp which did not exist until i created it |
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| 04:40.36 | mosty | nor can i find any logs in /var/log/ regarding tftp |
| 04:40.44 | mosty | what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:40.44 | pickcoder | mosty: is the inetd config enabled? |
| 04:41.02 | mosty | pickcoder, yes. i can connect with a tftp client (the "status" command says it's connected) |
| 04:41.06 | pickcoder | some services are disabled at setup and you have to turn them on |
| 04:42.01 | mosty | pickcoder, if it was disabled then i wouldn't be able to connect to it |
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| 04:48.48 | Titi | Hey friends, can somebody helps with IPTABLES some rules? I am really noob in that, and the manual I cant understant, can someone helps? This is my settings, here are the comments also. Thank you very much > http://phpfi.com/327307 |
| 04:48.51 | pickcoder | mosty: ?? dunno. it should work |
| 04:49.07 | pickcoder | I removed tftpd and tftp still connected to inetd |
| 04:49.51 | mosty | strange. i'm trying tftpd-hpa and it appears to work |
| 04:50.15 | Titi | Hey friends, helps me with the Iptables. Thank you |
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| 04:51.54 | pickcoder | Titi: that page is confusing |
| 04:51.56 | gbp | Titi: can you paste the whole firewall script? |
| 04:52.07 | gbp | what pickcoder said |
| 04:52.08 | pickcoder | what does fw.sh contain |
| 04:52.34 | owen1 | i added the skype repo and try to get it with aptitude. i get a warning: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 04:53.33 | mosty | owen1, yeah and? |
| 04:53.34 | wols_ | owen1: you are missing the public key for the repo |
| 04:54.25 | Titi | gbp http://phpfi.com/327307 |
| 04:55.31 | owen1 | wols_: mosty: where do i get it and why do i need one? |
| 04:55.37 | pickcoder | Titi: that is the same page |
| 04:55.51 | Titi | pickcoder what else? |
| 04:56.29 | Titi | pickcoder that was for gbp, he maybe miss that link |
| 04:56.42 | Titi | missed |
| 04:56.54 | pickcoder | no.. we both agree that it's a confusing post |
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| 04:57.02 | pickcoder | what does fw.sh contain |
| 04:57.10 | pickcoder | both sets of iptable commands? |
| 04:57.33 | Dewi | is there something like the debian security mailing list, but where I can only receive core notifications and packages I actually use? |
| 04:57.38 | pickcoder | BTW. the default on INPUT is to accept everything so accepting 3 ports is a pointless task |
| 04:57.40 | Dewi | maybe tied into apt... |
| 04:57.51 | Dewi | I seem to remember some kind of BDO / apt tie-in system |
| 04:58.27 | WormFood | pickcoder, 3 ports? you mean 3 portocols? |
| 04:58.40 | Titi | pickcoder of course thare are many settings before and after that peace of code, but I have to tell, just this is the problematic kind of script, because I add it there, everything else works fine |
| 04:58.41 | pickcoder | I said what I meant |
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| 04:59.13 | pickcoder | Titi: how can anyone debug a "chain exists" error without the whole script? |
| 04:59.31 | pickcoder | also wonders where the hell that error came from to start with |
| 04:59.33 | mosty | owen1, you can just ignore the warning and answer the question it asks (do you want to download the package or not) |
| 04:59.38 | pickcoder | "nat" is a standard chain |
| 05:00.18 | Titi | pickcoder I mean the last lines with forwarding ...contain the settings also for allowing, but I am not sure, can you confirm this? |
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| 05:01.50 | pickcoder | Titi: is the default rule for FORWARD allow or deny? |
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| 05:02.04 | Titi | But listen these are the important lines, where I have to allow and forward that ports from my server to local winXp PC, so I mean its clear question, anything in there should me modified for right works, you know? |
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| 05:02.43 | landet | Titi - what is your original language |
| 05:02.58 | Titi | Slovakia, sorry :) |
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| 05:04.45 | Titi | still you cant understand me, and help me? its not clear? |
| 05:05.18 | pickcoder | I asked a question.. |
| 05:07.15 | landet | and for some weird reason you aren't gonna get an answer |
| 05:07.21 | pickcoder | yeah.. |
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| 05:07.26 | pickcoder | I gotta hit the sack anyway.. |
| 05:07.31 | pickcoder | points to #iptables |
| 05:07.44 | pickcoder | maybe rob0 will be nice and help you.. :P |
| 05:07.46 | Alarm | goodmorning, is there a way to install kopete 0.50 on my debian testing, without going to sid, or installing from source ? |
| 05:07.58 | pickcoder | cheers |
| 05:08.08 | infinitycircuit | Alarm: you can set up a mixed testing/sid system or you could rebuild the sid sources from the .dsc file |
| 05:08.25 | Titi | pickcoder yea thats all about that ports, just that kind of script |
| 05:08.43 | Alarm | i guess that could confuse a bit my system once kopete depents on many kde libraries, or not ? |
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| 05:09.34 | owen1 | mosty: i know. but i don't know what is the risk. |
| 05:10.13 | kumool | hmm hi hmm i installed something and now gui doesnt work and says something about the greeter not starting |
| 05:10.16 | infinitycircuit | Alarm: Alarm wait a sec they are the same |
| 05:10.29 | infinitycircuit | Alarm: both lenny and sid have 4:3.5.9-2 |
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| 05:11.07 | kumool | so im basically using CLI only now... :( |
| 05:11.08 | Alarm | i am a bit scared with sid i must admit. last time i did something like that, i managed to harm my system. not much knowledge... |
| 05:12.13 | kumool | Alarm 10 mins ago i updated som stuff using the sid repo... and now XFCE crashed and the greeter doesnt start hehe |
| 05:12.30 | infinitycircuit | kumool: did you do a kernel upgrade and not reinstall proprietary graphics drivers? |
| 05:12.41 | Titi | I mean in these lines for example that one: $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INET_IFACE -o eth1 -p tcp -d 192.168.0.2 --destination-port 22339 -j ACCEPT. there is also the rule for allowing, so then this is double configured, then that made the error. What you mean? |
| 05:12.54 | kumool | i dunno... not that i know off |
| 05:12.54 | infinitycircuit | kumool: did you interrupt an upgrade? in that case dpkg --configure -a && aptitude install -f might be necessary |
| 05:13.28 | kumool | hmmm ok then aptitude install -f? |
| 05:13.32 | mosty | owen1, no more risk than downloading a .deb from a http site instead of https |
| 05:13.38 | Titi | Double configured for allowing, isnt it? or? |
| 05:14.45 | kumool | ok i ran aptitude install -f and it just removed 1 package |
| 05:14.48 | wols_ | kumool: what "something"? |
| 05:14.55 | wols_ | which package |
| 05:15.12 | wols_ | if you aren't more specifif no one can help you and if you don't want help why tell us here? |
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| 05:15.35 | kumool | python xdg or something |
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| 05:17.59 | Titi | Hey friends, helps me with the Iptables. Thank you http://phpfi.com/327307. Here also some codes before and after. But that workes fine. I just add that one, maybe the last lines has also configuring the allowing, so this causing the error, can someone modifie it for right? Please? Can you help? Thank you |
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| 05:18.06 | Wyzard | mosty: That's a completely different risk actually |
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| 05:18.46 | Bladesman | Salueffingtations. |
| 05:19.01 | Wyzard | mosty: SSL ensures that third parties can't eavesdrop on your communication, but it does not guarantee that the site you're downloading from is trustworthy and won't send you bad data |
| 05:19.03 | mosty | Wyzard, both authentication. same risk of spoofing (approximately) |
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| 05:19.16 | owen1 | mosty: got it. thanks. |
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| 05:19.34 | Wyzard | mosty: You could get a bad .deb from an untrustworthy apt source or from an untrustworthy web page using SSL |
| 05:19.45 | Jessie | hello everyone |
| 05:19.53 | mosty | Wyzard, yeah, same thing, different web of trust that's all |
| 05:20.05 | Jessie | can any one help me? |
| 05:20.26 | infinitycircuit | Jessie: please ask your question so we can see |
| 05:20.35 | Jessie | I have bought a external usb hard drive |
| 05:21.05 | Jessie | and I need to have access to it I have formated to ext3 but it says that I don't have any permissions |
| 05:21.20 | Jessie | when I try to create a folder |
| 05:21.28 | Bladesman | /etc/group |
| 05:21.41 | wols_ | Jessie: ls -al /mountpoint |
| 05:22.57 | kumool | hmm oh well nvm ill just run a rescue |
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| 05:23.34 | valdyn | Jessie: paste the output you get in dmesg when you replug that device |
| 05:23.37 | kumool | i already ran dpkg --configure -a and aptitude install -f |
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| 05:24.16 | wols_ | !tell kumool about errors |
| 05:24.19 | Jessie | should I reformat to ext 3 and make primary or logical partition ? |
| 05:24.58 | Bladesman | Primary partitions contain the logical partitions. |
| 05:25.10 | valdyn | !confuse Bladesman |
| 05:25.11 | dpkg | Yes, where are your bacon tomorrow, Bladesman? wellies of the people's republic of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 05:25.26 | wols_ | Jessie: you should do what people ask of you |
| 05:25.36 | Jessie | yes, but I also want to be able to see it from another distro |
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| 05:26.13 | chut | hey people |
| 05:26.25 | chut | anyone run irssi? |
| 05:26.37 | wols_ | !tell chut about anyone |
| 05:26.40 | Jessie | I tried fat 32 but when I tried to copy a folder it said that it was to big |
| 05:26.42 | chut | can i have a question, people in irssi channel is all asleep |
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| 05:27.08 | chut | how do i run this config? http://bzgirl.org/conf/irssi.txt |
| 05:27.38 | infinitycircuit | chut: that is an interactive guide. you have to do it yourself |
| 05:27.43 | wols_ | chut: the way it's written there. typing one line at a time excluding the comments |
| 05:27.47 | chut | oh |
| 05:27.52 | chut | i see :) |
| 05:27.55 | chut | thanks wols_ |
| 05:28.03 | chut | i was confused :D |
| 05:28.34 | Jyzygzy- | anyone remember how you set the bitrate for wireless interface in interfaces? |
| 05:28.35 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:28.37 | wols_ | you're so confused that you mistreat your enter key? |
| 05:28.43 | Nyle | chut means something bad in my lanaguge |
| 05:28.44 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:28.46 | Titi | Please can you help me with the IPTABLES? I make the new phpfi page with all the IPTABLES config, I believe someone can fix in it very quickly. Really thank you > http://phpfi.com/327312 |
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| 05:28.54 | wols_ | Jyzygzy-: docs for wireless-tools do know |
| 05:28.56 | valdyn | chut: i can see /set settings_autosave ON |
| 05:28.59 | chut | really lol! cool |
| 05:29.04 | valdyn | chut: if you dont wait, you want to manually save |
| 05:29.13 | Nyle | chut, pronounced like choot |
| 05:29.19 | chut | yeah |
| 05:29.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:29.39 | chut | cool :) |
| 05:29.48 | Nyle | language Urdu/Punjabi |
| 05:30.04 | Nyle | I wonder how in linux you would write punjabi |
| 05:30.20 | Nyle | in pakistan, you write/study punjabi using the urdu/arabic script, nastalique |
| 05:30.30 | Nyle | in india, they use the sanskrit/hindi script to write punjabi |
| 05:30.33 | Nyle | devnagri i think |
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| 05:31.04 | Nyle | so if one were to try to get punjabi in linux/debian |
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| 05:31.21 | kumool | ok then... i was updating, everything crashed, i couldnt start appz, then the login greet came up, now theres a msg saying "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use another one" i press ok it happens again, after 6 tries another message pops up saying "The display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds.It is likely that something bad is going on.Waiting for 2 min's b4 trying again on display :0" |
| 05:31.23 | Nyle | its possible to have two diff scripts for one lang? |
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| 05:31.41 | maxamillion | what are the default debian font settings? ... when i run 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config' i think i selected the wrong thing and i would let to set it back to the defaults |
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| 05:32.42 | Alarm | maxamillion, got kde ? |
| 05:33.03 | valdyn | maxamillion: purge the package then reinstall it |
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| 05:33.30 | maxamillion | Alarm: no, xfce |
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| 05:33.44 | maxamillion | valdyn: sounds like it would work ... just kinda worries me though |
| 05:33.47 | Alarm | not familiar with that , sorry |
| 05:33.54 | maxamillion | Alarm: no worries, thanks anyways |
| 05:34.13 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 05:34.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:34.24 | valdyn | maxamillion: or ^^^ |
| 05:34.43 | kumool | i wonder... can i just downgrade everything i got? |
| 05:34.52 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 05:34.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 05:34.57 | Alarm | kumool, you can, but why to do that ? :) |
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| 05:35.55 | kumool | well the problem happened when i updated... so if i downgrade then the problem will be gone... using my logic at least |
| 05:36.32 | Alarm | not always . but as i didnt follow the conversation what were u trying to upgrade ? |
| 05:36.35 | kumool | is there a way to check and see which packages where the last updated? |
| 05:36.39 | Jyzygzy- | hmm im not able to find the wifi commands :( |
| 05:36.49 | valdyn | kumool: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 05:37.34 | kumool | i dunno i just added the Sid repos and updated... of course not fully... just the ones that didnt remove anything |
| 05:37.47 | kumool | so i didnt quite look... |
| 05:38.06 | Alarm | did you try a fully dist-upgrade ? which sid repos did u add ? |
| 05:38.07 | wols_ | kumool: that was bad. you either upgrade full or not at all and use backports |
| 05:38.20 | yasker | I think you can downgrade using /etc/apt/perferences |
| 05:38.25 | wols_ | Jyzygzy-: dpkg -L wireless-tools |
| 05:38.44 | wols_ | yasker:no |
| 05:38.59 | yasker | just pin to testing or stable version, add a higher pin priority |
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| 05:39.17 | yasker | I used to do it when I using wrong package of sid... |
| 05:39.21 | Jyzygzy- | oh theres /usr/share/man |
| 05:39.32 | wols_ | Jyzygzy-: there is also /usr/share/doc |
| 05:39.38 | wols_ | yasker: that won't help |
| 05:39.43 | Jyzygzy- | yea i read everything from there |
| 05:39.45 | wols_ | yasker: and it's not a downgrade either |
| 05:39.50 | Jyzygzy- | the examples didn't have bitrate |
| 05:40.16 | yasker | @wols_ why... |
| 05:40.16 | Jyzygzy- | iwconfig eth1 rate 54M ok thats the command for iwconfig |
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| 05:40.18 | kumool | ok i got the error |
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| 05:40.36 | wols_ | yasker: cause it doesn't downgrade anything but simply waits |
| 05:40.36 | Alarm | error on trying doing what ? :) |
| 05:40.50 | mutantx | is there an open source podcast software that you can suggest that I use? Something like PodPress, but it looks like that's just a plugin for wordpress... |
| 05:40.58 | kumool | error happens when trying to call a line in python that states "from gtk import" |
| 05:41.12 | wols_ | kumool: install python-gtk |
| 05:41.29 | wols_ | for whatever python version you use by default |
| 05:41.53 | yasker | @wols_ I think I tried it before... and I remember the package is mysql... |
| 05:41.54 | ravenbird | yasker: that's too long |
| 05:42.13 | wols_ | yasker: please stop rambling to me |
| 05:42.21 | Alarm | any suggestions of how i could install kopete 0.50 on debian testing without needing to install thousands of extra packages and mixing up my system ? |
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| 05:42.37 | wols_ | !tell Alarm about simple sid backport |
| 05:42.47 | Alarm | tell me please :) |
| 05:42.51 | wols_ | Alarm: but it's tricky since you probably need newer kde base and libs too |
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| 05:43.09 | wols_ | dpkg just did |
| 05:43.09 | dpkg | i don't know, wols_ |
| 05:43.22 | Alarm | wols_, i know, thats why i asked if it is something that could be done |
| 05:43.24 | infinitycircuit | Alarm: i just told you. kopete is the same in testing and sid |
| 05:43.25 | kumool | ok :D i tried apt-get update and changed the repos and ignored the sid ones... lets hope that works |
| 05:43.41 | Alarm | i did once upgraded to kde4, but came infront of a lot of problems. and it wasnt worth just for 1 application at the end |
| 05:43.55 | wols_ | kumool: no. now you have the worst of all worlds: a mixed system |
| 05:44.00 | Alarm | infinitycircuit, in testing there is not 0.50 version dude |
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| 05:44.26 | Titi | I am sad, no cant help me and I feel it is so easier and quick stuff, all that file is commented, please can some one toss an eye to this? Its really fast process if you know somehow the IPTABLES. But this is the last desire from me. Sorry. Its here> http://phpfi.com/327312 |
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| 05:44.38 | infinitycircuit | Alarm: in sid there is not one either. in experimental there is not one either. |
| 05:45.04 | defrysk | alarm testing and sid have the same version |
| 05:45.46 | Alarm | you are correct, its on the experimental phase |
| 05:45.48 | Alarm | months now... |
| 05:45.54 | wols_ | kopete 0.5 is probably part of kde4 |
| 05:46.07 | Alarm | correctly said |
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| 05:48.11 | kumool | :D xfce started |
| 05:48.15 | kumool | but still no appz |
| 05:48.52 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder what WM wols_ uses |
| 05:49.15 | landet | Titi - your ruleset looks overly complicated - were did you get it from - start simple and work to what you want |
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| 05:50.29 | mxmx | has anyone installed and enabled libogg ? |
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| 05:50.49 | wols_ | !tell mxmx about anyone |
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| 05:51.08 | kumool | lol is there actually an entry for that? |
| 05:51.15 | Jyzygzy- | yyea there is :) |
| 05:51.21 | mxmx | :/ |
| 05:51.36 | Titi | landet my friend some time ago give me that. But it works fine, I just add that STRONG DC liknes into that and I want to allow and forward that ports how I sad, how it is writen in the phpfi, thats all. Can you help me? |
| 05:51.42 | mxmx | well i cant enable libogg after i installed it |
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| 05:51.57 | wols_ | !tell mxmx about errors |
| 05:52.10 | mxmx | haha |
| 05:52.12 | mxmx | thanks |
| 05:52.14 | landet | titi - i don't understand it ! maybe someone in #iptables is smarter |
| 05:52.27 | mxmx | Unknown option "--enable-libogg". |
| 05:52.27 | mxmx | See ./configure --help for available options. |
| 05:52.45 | Titi | landet ou that channel exists ? :))) really... uff, thank you |
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| 05:53.19 | wols_ | mxmx: whatever you try to cmpile doesn't know about that option |
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| 05:53.37 | mxmx | its ffmpeg |
| 05:53.44 | wols_ | why are you compiling ffmpeg? |
| 05:53.54 | mxmx | video conversion |
| 05:53.56 | wols_ | it's in debian itself and dmm as well |
| 05:54.08 | wols_ | !tell mxmx about dmm |
| 05:54.15 | landet | what file are you wanting to convert from what to what>? |
| 05:54.39 | Jyzygzy- | there is a channel for ffmpeg i think |
| 05:54.42 | mxmx | so i dont need to itall any of those livs? |
| 05:54.51 | mxmx | yeah and everyone is sleeeepin |
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| 06:03.32 | Jyzygzy- | i still couldn't find out how you set WiFI bit-rate in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:03.44 | Jyzygzy- | i can't even grep trought the manuals cause they are in .gz format |
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| 06:04.58 | WormFood | and of course, you can't use gunzip unzip them |
| 06:04.59 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, zcat | grep word will do gzipped |
| 06:05.00 | steven__ | Jyzygzy-: zgrep |
| 06:05.06 | Lagbolt | oh zgrep! sweet |
| 06:05.17 | Lagbolt | i should have known . .. there is a z everything |
| 06:05.22 | steven__ | lol |
| 06:05.34 | Jyzygzy- | zgrep doesn't support recursivity |
| 06:05.45 | steven__ | it does ? |
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| 06:05.54 | Jyzygzy- | it says /bin/zgrep: -r: option not supported |
| 06:06.15 | steven__ | well strange |
| 06:06.20 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 06:06.27 | kumool | argh i give |
| 06:06.40 | Jyzygzy- | anyone with a WiFi device? |
| 06:06.47 | steven__ | zgrep just calls grep and passes all options to it |
| 06:07.00 | steven__ | so any option grep supports should be supported |
| 06:07.06 | steven__ | man zgrep :) |
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| 06:07.18 | ootput | Jyzygzy-: yes |
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| 06:07.33 | Jyzygzy- | have you speficied the bit-rate in interfaces? |
| 06:07.40 | steven__ | either way just do a zcat | grep then :) |
| 06:07.49 | steven__ | or even a cat | zgrep lol |
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| 06:08.32 | Jyzygzy- | god damn i can't find it anywhere |
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| 06:09.18 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, for recurse use find, you can have find locate files and do a zcat on them |
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| 06:10.10 | Jyzygzy- | im just gonna manually go trought every file with zgrep |
| 06:10.56 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, find . -iname "*.gz" -exec zgrep "foo" {} \;; |
| 06:11.15 | Jyzygzy- | how can you remember that beast |
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| 06:11.26 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, of course replace "." with location you want to start finding in |
| 06:11.35 | Jyzygzy- | i never use find cause its impossible to remember all that |
| 06:11.47 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, i have that in my bashrc as a function, i call "fe *.gz zgrep" |
| 06:11.53 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 06:12.05 | Jyzygzy- | i need bashrc like that too |
| 06:12.42 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, add this to your .bashrc ---> function fe() { find . -iname '*'"$1"'*' -exec $2 {} \; ; } # find a file and run $2 on it |
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| 06:13.53 | Jyzygzy- | got any other cool stuff? |
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| 06:15.06 | Lagbolt | lol nothing more exciting than that. i google around from time to time for bashrc examples and tricks. google is my pal |
| 06:15.09 | CompWizrd | Jyzygzy-: the first hit is always free, the next one will cost ya! |
| 06:15.18 | Jyzygzy- | awww |
| 06:15.37 | Lagbolt | Jyzygzy-, mostly other stuff involves bash history and what not. but you can make your own functions now :) its really easy |
| 06:16.48 | howlingmadhowie | recently started using the zsh and is very happy with it :) |
| 06:16.58 | kumool | bah ill figure it out tomorrow too sleepy now |
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| 06:18.32 | kumool | ltr and thx everyone who helped me :D |
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| 06:22.01 | SerajewelKS | lvcreate complains that i don't have the device-mapper kernel module located, but i can't find it on my system nor can i find a relevant package |
| 06:22.09 | SerajewelKS | what do i need to do to get this module? |
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| 06:23.50 | Nyle | alright guys |
| 06:23.54 | Nyle | I think I finally did it |
| 06:24.04 | Nyle | I'm done with sunburst color for now |
| 06:24.07 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_sunburst_final.jpg |
| 06:24.13 | Nyle | check it out |
| 06:26.35 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't think lvm on lenny would be this hard to set up |
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| 06:34.14 | debianr | When will iceweasel for firefox-3.0 be available for lenny? |
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| 06:35.11 | SerajewelKS | debianr: when it moves from sid to lenny |
| 06:35.25 | debianr | and when would that be? |
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| 06:36.23 | SerajewelKS | debianr: when there are no RC bugs on it or the packages it depends on for a week |
| 06:36.24 | craigevil | hopefully when its not a buggy pos |
| 06:36.32 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, lvm is harder on lenny? |
| 06:36.49 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: apparently dm_mod isn't loaded by default |
| 06:37.00 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: and the error messages helpfully don't tell me that i need this module |
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| 06:37.11 | SerajewelKS | they tell me i need "device-mapper" |
| 06:37.59 | Lagbolt | dmsetup? |
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| 06:38.11 | howlingmadhowie | wonders what he should do with his computer now that everything's working... |
| 06:38.19 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: that's a userspace utility |
| 06:38.24 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: i found the kernel module already |
| 06:38.30 | SerajewelKS | no thanks to error messages from libdevmapper |
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| 06:38.52 | Lagbolt | it didnt load by default? strange. works on both my machines. |
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| 06:45.29 | Xires012 | is it possible to continue an interrupted install? |
| 06:46.46 | Lagbolt | Xires012, yeah, depending on how far along it got you would do something diff. |
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| 06:47.34 | Lagbolt | did it just download? or has dpkg partially installed it? what does dpkg -l packagename show? |
| 06:47.35 | Xires012 | Lagbolt; I had chosen 'expertgui' and had just chosen a mirror after installing the base system & all |
| 06:47.45 | Xires012 | I was installing on a VM |
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| 06:47.55 | Xires012 | I need to pull the VM back up to see |
| 06:50.43 | Lagbolt | oh on an "install" not just a package lol |
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| 06:55.57 | SerajewelKS | Xires012: tias |
| 06:56.34 | Xires012 | Lagbolt; yes, sorry for not being clear |
| 06:56.56 | Xires012 | SerajewelKS; tias? |
| 06:56.58 | Lagbolt | Xires012, not sure then. if enough of base is installed you might just be able to use installer to put grub on and boot but not sure |
| 06:57.05 | SerajewelKS | !tias |
| 06:57.06 | dpkg | i heard tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 06:57.09 | SerajewelKS | Xires012: ^^^ |
| 06:57.14 | Xires012 | SerajewelKS; ty |
| 06:57.53 | Xires012 | Lagbolt; most, if not all, of base is installed..I was just in configuration |
| 06:58.17 | Lagbolt | hmm well Xires012 you could boot install cd in rescue, do a change root and see, maybe a dpkg -a --configure |
| 06:59.23 | WormFood | flashing diablo as I type ;) |
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| 07:00.27 | SerajewelKS | does it much matter if i partition a disk into two lvm partitions and put them in the same VG or use one partition? |
| 07:00.56 | OpenTokix | SerajewelKS: why even bother with lvm for one partition in one disk? |
| 07:01.09 | SerajewelKS | OpenTokix: who says i only have one disk |
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| 07:03.36 | OpenTokix | SerajewelKS: I assumed |
| 07:03.41 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 07:03.47 | SerajewelKS | i have three physical disks |
| 07:03.55 | OpenTokix | SerajewelKS: and the fact you said "a disk" |
| 07:03.56 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 07:04.05 | SerajewelKS | but the easiest migration path is to use some of my unallocated space and start moving volumes in there |
| 07:04.33 | SerajewelKS | since i use *some* of it that means i'll be left with two lvm partitions on the same disk back-to-back |
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| 07:04.44 | SerajewelKS | and i'm not sure what kind of implications that has |
| 07:04.47 | SerajewelKS | if any |
| 07:05.08 | Xires012 | Lagbolt; tyvm, I think I'll try that..if not, I'll just reinstall from the beginning..I'm installing from ISO anyway so it shouldn't take *too* long |
| 07:05.24 | Lagbolt | cool |
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| 07:07.44 | Jyzygzy- | its funny how resizing windows always lags |
| 07:08.06 | Jyzygzy- | no matter what window manager or driver you use they all seem to lag when you resize window |
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| 07:10.40 | Ace2016_ | Jyzygzy-: nope, i use xgl and compiz-fusion with the nvidia drivers, no lagg for me |
| 07:11.41 | miksuh | yep, resizing windows looks much better if you use compiz/beryl |
| 07:12.58 | miksuh | no lag here even if I don't use compiz/beryl, but it sure looks better if I do |
| 07:13.13 | Jyzygzy- | lol |
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| 07:14.07 | miksuh | Jyzygzy-: just try it |
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| 07:15.04 | Jyzygzy- | ... |
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| 07:16.28 | miksuh | Jyzygzy-: lähinnähän siinä on se, että compiz/veryl saa sen ikkunan koon muutoksen näyttämään sulavammalta, ei näy ne koonmuutoksen eri vaiheet |
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| 07:17.05 | SerajewelKS | compiz is ok until it starts interfering with opengl games |
| 07:17.08 | SerajewelKS | then it's piss annoying |
| 07:17.34 | dark_templar_86 | /MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER dark_templar_86 bsbizsnjqmtc |
| 07:17.46 | enouf | Jyzygzy-: tell your window manger to not display contents while resizing |
| 07:17.48 | yigal | dark_templar_86: really now |
| 07:17.54 | Jyzygzy- | enouf why not |
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| 07:18.02 | Jyzygzy- | why that doesn't work in any setup |
| 07:18.04 | enouf | dark_templar_86: we know your passwd now |
| 07:18.08 | enouf | dark_templar_86: change it |
| 07:18.11 | Jyzygzy- | i've had this with 4 different computers |
| 07:18.16 | yigal | dark_templar_86: it would be good for you |
| 07:18.20 | dark_templar_86 | :) |
| 07:18.22 | dark_templar_86 | sorry |
| 07:18.27 | Jyzygzy- | whats with resizing with window contents and lag?? |
| 07:18.41 | dark_templar_86 | ill have to use bitchx |
| 07:19.03 | miksuh | Jyzygzy-: but anyway I don't see any lag even if I don't use compiz etc. resizing is fast,a tleast with fglrx and nvidia drivers |
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| 07:20.09 | miksuh | don't know how slow it is in your computer though |
| 07:20.23 | SerajewelKS | meh now i'm not sure if lvm is worth it for my desktop |
| 07:20.32 | Jyzygzy- | miksuh no its not |
| 07:20.35 | Jyzygzy- | its always slow |
| 07:21.04 | yigal | Jyzygzy-: you are using compiz and it's slow? whata surprise? |
| 07:21.10 | Jyzygzy- | wtf |
| 07:21.16 | Jyzygzy- | i never said anything about compiz |
| 07:21.20 | SerajewelKS | cause right now i can e.g. force / and /home on different physical disks |
| 07:21.29 | SerajewelKS | which should improve performance quite a bit... |
| 07:21.40 | SerajewelKS | with lvm, who knows |
| 07:21.41 | miksuh | Jyzygzy-: again, it's not slow here. Don't know what you m,ean by slow then |
| 07:21.45 | miksuh | mean |
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| 07:23.16 | SerajewelKS | or maybe lvm does some fancy automatic load balancing and shit |
| 07:23.18 | SerajewelKS | shrug |
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| 07:25.10 | yigal | I am really disliking GNOME |
| 07:25.28 | slxix | how would i fix "sudo dhclient eth&&start&" to run sudo in the foreground and startx in the background instead of the other way around? |
| 07:26.26 | SerajewelKS | yigal: so use something else |
| 07:26.39 | slxix | s/start/startx/ |
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| 07:27.04 | SerajewelKS | slxix: (startx &) && sudo dhclient eth |
| 07:27.05 | cherwin | startx & sudo dhclient |
| 07:27.12 | SerajewelKS | or that |
| 07:27.27 | yigal | SerajewelKS: the problem is that GNOME is so nice in certain areas and so bad in others, that is the problem |
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| 07:27.47 | slxix | will dhclient exit successfully before startx& ? |
| 07:28.00 | SerajewelKS | yigal: so you don't dislike it then? |
| 07:28.19 | cherwin | yigal, What is your problem with GNOME? |
| 07:29.18 | cherwin | slxix, What are you really trying to accomplish here? |
| 07:29.45 | yigal | cherwin: I can't do simple mime type associations like using mplayer instead of totem for movies, stuff that a terminal can be "taught" easily |
| 07:30.08 | miksuh | yigal: you can |
| 07:30.27 | slxix | i want to run startx in the background after sudo dhclient exits successfully. |
| 07:30.28 | cherwin | yigal, Define so in the properties of the file you' re trying to open. |
| 07:30.31 | miksuh | just click the file and then go to properties and select which application you want to use for that file type |
| 07:30.39 | yigal | SerajewelKS: I am wrestling with the necessary suckless attitude that seems absolutely necessary |
| 07:31.05 | yigal | cherwin: unfortunately it doesn't help because I want evince to open a movie, for a presentation |
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| 07:31.41 | yigal | done this way it opens the default movie player, totem, which I can't change, regardless of what app. I associate with any given file |
| 07:31.42 | cherwin | yigal, evince is a document viewer. |
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| 07:31.52 | miksuh | yigal: you can also click file with right mouse button and then do "open with" |
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| 07:32.08 | SerajewelKS | yigal: system > preferences > preferred applications > multimedia |
| 07:32.28 | yigal | SerajewelKS: yes, but all I see there is rhythmbox? maybe I need to play with gconf? |
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| 07:32.51 | SerajewelKS | yigal: under "multimedia player?" |
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| 07:33.16 | yigal | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 07:33.28 | miksuh | yigal: why don't you just click that file with right mouse button, go to properties->Open With |
| 07:33.30 | SerajewelKS | yigal: odd, i see banshee and totem |
| 07:33.43 | miksuh | you can add diffrenet applications tehre and seleect the default application |
| 07:33.57 | yigal | miksuh: because when I open the link from evince it opens with totem even though the file is associated to open with mplayer |
| 07:34.03 | defrysk | when you select a file , right click it then select properties then open with , you can select your preferred app permanently for that file type |
| 07:34.13 | cherwin | slxix, sudo dhclient ethX && startx & should do the trick. What is the result if you invoke that command? |
| 07:34.37 | SerajewelKS | yigal: you might report a bug to evince devs |
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| 07:34.46 | yigal | SerajewelKS cherwin miksuh: ok I won't give up on it |
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| 07:34.55 | yigal | SerajewelKS: there is already a bug report |
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| 07:36.06 | yigal | SerajewelKS: originally I wanted to make evince open a bash script, which xpdf does, it won't do that, but a simple run command of a file it seems to allow, so ok, anyways it is the ammount of time I've put into this that bugs me |
| 07:37.04 | yigal | I'm glad there are GNOME supporters, I won't give up on it, but I'm tired, thanks for the enthusiastic defense of GNOME and I will again put some more time into it, but I am not encouraged so far |
| 07:37.32 | slxix | cherwin: it runs sudo dhclient in the background, then i type %, enter my password to please sudo, and then it runs startx in the foreground. i think "sudo dhclient eth0 && (startx&)" will work. thanks SerajewelKS and cherwin. |
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| 07:44.18 | ehamberg | is it possible to find out how many packages that will be upgraded (assuming that apt-get update has been run) from a non-root user? i only need the number, really. |
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| 07:46.11 | Jemt | Should be possible by following dependencies; apt-cache showpkg <package>. Remember that one dependency might depend on other dependencies an so on. So you will probably get some sort of "tree" of dependencies |
| 07:47.30 | Jemt | There is also a kind of --simulate switch (see "man apt-get") - but that probably also need root privileges |
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| 07:49.00 | slxix | emma: you can get some sort of idea by running 'aptitude' :) |
| 07:49.11 | slxix | then typing 'g' |
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| 07:50.31 | JordiGH | ehamberg: aptitude -s |
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| 07:51.01 | slxix | s/emma/ehamberg (i failed at tab completion. sorry.) |
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| 07:51.55 | ehamberg | i want to get the number for a login script, so aptitude won't cut it, unfortunately. i should have mentioned this, sorry. |
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| 07:54.58 | JordiGH | Uhm, a login script? |
| 07:55.12 | JordiGH | What's wrong aptitude? Run it with aptitude -s -y and pipe result to a file. |
| 07:55.56 | ehamberg | that opens an ncurses interface here |
| 07:56.20 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 07:56.28 | JordiGH | aptitud -s -y full-upgrade > foo |
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| 07:57.25 | ehamberg | ah, "aptitude -s -y dist-upgrade" works. |
| 07:57.29 | ehamberg | thanks! |
| 07:57.34 | JordiGH | full-upgrade, unless you mean etch. |
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| 07:57.54 | JordiGH | Also note that aptitude install recommends by default, unlike apt-get. |
| 07:58.03 | ehamberg | i get Unknown command "full-upgrade" |
| 07:58.12 | JordiGH | Ok, so I guess you're using etch. |
| 07:58.30 | slxix | hugs etch. |
| 07:58.32 | ehamberg | if that's 4.0; yes |
| 07:58.47 | JordiGH | If you want to do aptitude without recommends, and get a more apt-like behaviour (but not identical), do "aptitude -s -y -R full-upgrade > foo" |
| 07:58.53 | JordiGH | Er, dist-upgrade |
| 07:59.21 | ^shark_2 | hi friends, can someone help me out on this >> http://www.pastebin.ca/1057016 |
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| 07:59.52 | ehamberg | JordiGH: excellent. thanks a lot! |
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| 08:00.13 | JordiGH | np |
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| 08:01.16 | snakeoil | How can I verify all packages on my system (md5 sum of files that got modified), equivalent to "rpm -Va" ? |
| 08:01.23 | o2T71 | ^shark_2: error: security/pam_appl.h: |
| 08:01.26 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 08:01.41 | slxix | ^shark_2: read line 101 |
| 08:01.46 | o2T71 | ^shark_2: file does not exists |
| 08:01.49 | ttl- | is it possible to import mail from a PST file on a linux machine? |
| 08:01.55 | slxix | it tells you exactly what's wrong. :) |
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| 08:02.05 | ttl- | Or maybe convert it to mbox or something ? |
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| 08:02.37 | ttl- | .PST is where outlook office stores it's email |
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| 08:03.33 | slxix | ^shark_2: well, maybe not exactly. but it's close. |
| 08:03.40 | o2T71 | nope |
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| 08:04.37 | o2T71 | You have pam_appl.h in libpam0g-dev and lsb-build-base2 and lsb-build-base3 |
| 08:04.46 | ^shark_2 | is now building with make slx SSLTYPE=none |
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| 08:05.31 | slxix | ^shark_2: o2T71 has the right answer. |
| 08:05.36 | anaximander | Does anyone know how to verify the gpg-sig on an rpm on a debian-system? |
| 08:06.11 | ^shark_2 | slxix: i have managed to build it with no ssl support |
| 08:06.33 | ^shark_2 | for some reason, it wouldnt see my openssl software |
| 08:06.39 | o2T71 | ^shark_2: Isn't it a security risk? |
| 08:07.03 | o2T71 | You can install libpam0g-dev and retry to compile then |
| 08:07.39 | ^shark_2 | o2T71: ok |
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| 08:09.43 | Coke | Hi. Is there a cli calendar that displays the calendar with weeks? cal does this, but if I do "cal 7" it does not display july, it displays the whole year and not the current year, it doesn't tell which one, but it sure isn't 2008. |
| 08:10.26 | nevyn | try cal 7 2008 |
| 08:10.32 | Coke | Yeah, sure, that works. |
| 08:10.59 | Coke | I'd like a smarter calendar which doesn't require me to specify that I want to see THIS year's july |
| 08:11.00 | nevyn | cal 7 gives the calender for the year 7 ad |
| 08:11.04 | Coke | yeah |
| 08:11.08 | Coke | That's retardus maximus. |
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| 08:11.25 | nevyn | disagree.. |
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| 08:11.51 | Coke | nevyn: which is more common, that you want to view a specific month in the current year or an entire OTHER year? |
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| 08:12.09 | slxix | ack! #debian-offtopic please. |
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| 08:12.21 | Coke | I have _never_ wanted to view past years in their entirety, I do however want to look at specific months ahead of time all the time. |
| 08:12.35 | Coke | slxix: I'm looking for a package to replace cal |
| 08:12.59 | SerajewelKS | Coke: make a script that calls cal $1 $(date +%Y) |
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| 08:13.43 | Coke | SerajewelKS: I'm probably gonna hack my own calendar thingie together |
| 08:13.46 | slxix | Coke: right, but arguing your command line preferences is like asking whether why vi is/isn't better than emacs. ;) |
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| 08:14.06 | Coke | slxix: no, I gave my oppinion on why cal does not work for me |
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| 08:14.11 | SerajewelKS | Coke: right, that's a lot better than modifying an existing tool |
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| 08:14.30 | Coke | slxix: nevyn wants to type the current year even though it's obvious that it's the current year you'd want. |
| 08:14.32 | nevyn | Coke:but as SerajewelKS points out you can type |
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| 08:14.50 | SerajewelKS | Coke: put it in a script, put the script in your $PATH, job done |
| 08:14.56 | Coke | SerajewelKS: I can probably do it in 20 minutes in Python |
| 08:15.07 | SerajewelKS | Coke: you can do it in 10 seconds with shell |
| 08:15.11 | SerajewelKS | shrug, it's your time |
| 08:15.16 | Coke | SerajewelKS: indeed. |
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| 08:15.29 | Coke | SerajewelKS: and I guess that would be off-topic as well. :) |
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| 08:16.03 | slxix | #debian-offtopic is a real channel. |
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| 08:17.15 | Coke | slxix: I know. |
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| 08:25.48 | pif | hi, anyone handy with nfsroot ? my nfsroot stays ro even though it's exported as rw, wft? |
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| 08:28.30 | snakeoil | How can I verify all deb packages on my system (md5 sum of files that got modified), equivalent to "rpm -Va" ? |
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| 08:30.16 | flower | hi I want to use Jedit for Lilypond (notation editor) but I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23258/ . I've java6-jre installed, how can I set my system so that it is using the right java? |
| 08:31.13 | o2T71 | It looks like a programming error |
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| 08:31.59 | themill | flower: you can update-java-alternatives to make sure you're using the VM you think you're using |
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| 08:32.30 | miksuh | flower: isn't it easier to use Denemo which is frontend to lilypond |
| 08:32.37 | flower | themill, how can i do that? |
| 08:32.47 | flower | miksuh, no... |
| 08:33.09 | miksuh | why? |
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| 08:33.11 | flower | I want to learn that code |
| 08:33.17 | miksuh | ok |
| 08:33.31 | flower | end denemo seems more death then alive |
| 08:34.11 | flower | I think Rosegarden is a pretty good frontend for lilypond... or NtEd... |
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| 08:34.22 | kexman | any dnsmasq users out there ? |
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| 08:35.04 | flower | themill, ? and what is VM? |
| 08:35.45 | o2T71 | virtual machine? |
| 08:35.49 | themill | flower: it's a command, you run it to make sure the right java runtime environment (aka jvm) is selected. |
| 08:37.21 | flower | themill, can you tell the exact command? |
| 08:37.48 | o2T71 | !tell kexman anyone |
| 08:38.50 | themill | flower: Unsurprisingly, it comes with a man page.... update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun |
| 08:39.07 | kexman | o2T71: are you using dnsmasq ? |
| 08:39.14 | miksuh | flower: You can list JREs which are installwed |
| 08:39.15 | miksuh | update-java-alternatives --list |
| 08:39.19 | miksuh | and then |
| 08:39.21 | simonrvn | kexman: just ask the question |
| 08:39.22 | miksuh | eg. |
| 08:39.25 | kexman | i want dnsmasq to be a local dns cache but not to resolve addresses assigned by dhcp |
| 08:39.45 | miksuh | update-java-alternatives --set java-5-sun |
| 08:40.25 | kexman | dnsmasq works with dhcp . dhcp assigns an address to 192.168.5.100 and hostname of 192.168.5.100 = abc . then everyone using dnsmasq as the dns server can resolve abc to 192.168.5.100 |
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| 08:40.26 | flower | thanks, I have to learn to read those manpages |
| 08:40.30 | kexman | but i dont want this to happen |
| 08:40.47 | kexman | and i dont know how to block dnsmasq to do that ? i just want it to be a local dns cache and a dhcp server nothing more |
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| 08:41.06 | flower | and Jedit is starting! |
| 08:41.23 | flower | thanks! |
| 08:41.52 | miksuh | sorry it's eg. update-java-alternatives --set java-1.5.0-sun |
| 08:42.01 | miksuh | anyway you get list with that --list option |
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| 08:42.45 | themill | miksuh: except that we already know that flower is using java6 not java5 ... |
| 08:42.46 | miksuh | that was an example |
| 08:42.51 | flower | so java-1.6.0-sun |
| 08:42.52 | flower | ? |
| 08:43.01 | miksuh | probably |
| 08:43.02 | themill | no. |
| 08:43.05 | miksuh | use that --list to check |
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| 08:43.24 | flower | but it works already... |
| 08:43.30 | miksuh | I don't have java 6 uinstalled so can't check |
| 08:44.11 | themill | flower: did you already run the update-java-alternatives command that I gave you? and jedit's working? then you don't need to do anything else. |
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| 08:44.47 | flower | themill, yes as I told... thanks again! |
| 08:44.56 | themill | flower: no worries. |
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| 08:46.43 | kexman | so none with dnsmasq skillz ? |
| 08:46.46 | psu3 | hi #debian |
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| 08:46.57 | psu3 | how do i reload my parition table without restarting my server ? |
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| 08:47.35 | psu3 | mkfs doesnt want to format /dev/sda4 because it tells me id doesn't exist |
| 08:47.45 | psu3 | but i've just created it |
| 08:47.59 | psu3 | s/id/it |
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| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | !wayttd kexman |
| 08:49.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kexman? |
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| 08:50.42 | o2T71 | kexman: A little of googling returned this: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/dnsmasq#head-2bd3621bd68a9c6f5e5225f67cd08ee34915378a |
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| 08:55.01 | Sebby | hello |
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| 08:55.33 | Sebby | how do i change an ip under debian? |
| 08:55.33 | kexman | o2T71: yeah but that doesnt helps me ! i know that link |
| 08:56.06 | o2T71 | You want to serve to a given range of addresses, so point 3.3 explains how to do that |
| 08:56.28 | o2T71 | s/serve/resolve local names/ |
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| 08:57.07 | mmcr | Sebby: man ifconfig. |
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| 09:00.28 | kexman | o2T7: no you dont understand |
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| 09:03.33 | o2T7 | kexman: You don't understand dnsmasq, so why not trying bind9 + dhcp3-server ? |
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| 09:08.13 | slxix | o2T7: is that a serious question? |
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| 09:09.43 | o2T7 | slxix: heh, without specific and well defined purposes... powerful tools ;) |
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| 09:10.41 | SparFux | dnsmasq is my personal favourite. I remember times with other dns servers and they drove me nuts! |
| 09:10.41 | slxix | ah. could you forklift my shoes over to me, please? :) |
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| 09:11.59 | slxix | kexman: give us an example of what you are trying to do. use a pastebin if necessary. |
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| 09:12.26 | slxix | or show us what is happening that you don't want happening. |
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| 09:15.36 | ma3x | in which graphical text editor is there option to find 'x' and to replace all x entries with 'y' ? |
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| 09:16.28 | o2T7 | ma3x: Several, kate for example |
| 09:16.38 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 09:20.34 | ma3x | o2T7: what's the option find and replace called in kate? |
| 09:21.16 | o2T7 | ma3x: I believe that it is Ctrl+r |
| 09:21.29 | petemc | sed -i 's/x/y/g' foo.txt |
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| 09:22.07 | o2T7 | petemc: Yes ;), but he asked for a 'graphical tool' |
| 09:22.32 | petemc | so i noticed |
| 09:22.42 | slxix | o2T7: would visual be ok? ;) |
| 09:22.42 | petemc | nice to have options, tho |
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| 09:24.13 | o2T7 | I really prefer text apps for almost anything. |
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| 09:24.54 | colthe | I like graph more |
| 09:25.41 | o2T7 | my mouse has a longer life :) |
| 09:26.31 | colthe | It's nice |
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| 09:42.51 | colthe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:43.46 | colthe | what's wrong? /tmp/mysql.sock existed but no mysqld.sock |
| 09:44.14 | jelly | colthe: note that "/tmp/mysql.sock" isn't the same path as "/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" above |
| 09:44.23 | ootput | hi guys. I'm running transparent terms (aterm & urxvt) and I'm able to see the background. However, some applications (such as caption bar in screen) won't show the transparent background, but rather, black, instead. How do i do a global change of black->transparent (or default) of all apps that require ncurses? |
| 09:45.14 | ootput | This will be done also to address programs such as calcurse that don't allow color customizations |
| 09:45.16 | colthe | I known, so i don't know how to get mysqld.sock |
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| 09:46.33 | jelly | colthe: if you have a custom-built mysql server, you'll have to configure pam_mysql to look for the socket in the right place. The documentation might be of some help. |
| 09:46.55 | xushi | hi all |
| 09:46.57 | xushi | how do i check using apt-cache what version of a software will be installed ? |
| 09:47.19 | jelly | xushi: apt-cache policy foo, or apt-get -s install foo |
| 09:47.47 | xushi | thanks |
| 09:47.48 | row | Out of interest performance wise lets say you have a 2x2ghz xeon dual core (4mb) and a 1x2ghz xen quad core (2x4mb) will the quadcore should peform the same if not better than the 2x dual core set up right? |
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| 09:48.02 | jelly | row: ##hardware ? |
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| 09:48.09 | row | As the quad core is cheaper, allows for expansion and also should use less power. |
| 09:48.16 | colthe | Hi Jelly, I installed mysql by binary, when i compiled pam-mysql i find no option to change sock |
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| 09:48.31 | row | jelly not gone there yet as it is going to be a Debian machine thought I would ask here first. |
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| 09:49.12 | cirwin | can we get kde4 in testing with apt-get? |
| 09:49.51 | streuner | no (that was a few weeks ago) |
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| 09:50.07 | cirwin | boring :( |
| 09:50.10 | streuner | parts of kde4 are in experimental |
| 09:50.11 | jelly | wonders what was wrong with Debian's own mysql-server-5.0 and libpam-mysql? |
| 09:50.13 | streuner | !kde4 |
| 09:50.14 | dpkg | from memory, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 09:50.14 | cirwin | ok |
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| 09:50.31 | cirwin | thanks :) |
| 09:50.36 | streuner | np |
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| 09:51.42 | jelly | colthe: so... why didn't you use Debian's packages? |
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| 09:56.06 | colthe | because after 2 days i used "apt-get install" debian's own packages, then httpd process used very high mem and didn't release |
| 09:57.17 | themill | colthe: what did you alter in the compilation options to change that situation? |
| 09:57.31 | colthe | the system getting more and more slower, it's only a test server, purpose for cacti |
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| 09:58.57 | colthe | ./configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql ###compiled pam-mysql |
| 09:59.12 | jelly | colthe: well, this channel generally doesn't offer support self-built binaries here; ##linux or a specialized mysql channel might be more useful. |
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| 09:59.45 | themill | colthe: yes, but if you didn't change any of the compile options then it's not going to be any different if you compiled it or debian did. Except that the debian packages work and yours clearly suck. |
| 09:59.58 | colthe | Thank you the same |
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| 10:00.27 | kexman | SlayerXP: o2T7 i cant run bind9 and dhcp3 on a linksys embedded router :) but i can run dnsmasq |
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| 10:00.58 | themill | colthe: I would suggest going back to the debian packages and looking at their configuration options. There's a lot of tuning you can do, particularly if you don't use innodb, for example. |
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| 10:01.45 | jelly | colthe: it looks as if you're using debian's pam-mysql, or your build didn't use the right headers. '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' is a Debian setup |
| 10:01.53 | kexman | slxix: are you here ? |
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| 10:02.06 | slxix | kexman: relatively |
| 10:02.20 | kexman | slxix: ill give you a pastebin |
| 10:02.22 | kexman | just a sec |
| 10:02.25 | colthe | #particularly if you don't use innodb i am not sure you mean,sorry |
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| 10:03.49 | themill | colthe: I'd suggest you do some reading about tuning the tools you've got before you run around trying to recompile them. innodb is a type of table that mysql can use; if you don't use that type (which is the default) then you can save yourself about 70MB of memory in a default installation just by disabling that. There are many such parameters that you can tweak. |
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| 10:04.50 | colthe | thanks Jelly and themill, i think i know the root reason, may be i 'll check more books, and try themill's idea,thanks again |
| 10:04.58 | colthe | see you later |
| 10:05.31 | kexman | slxix: there are two pastes , first is from a client (not abc, its hostname is mobile) http://rafb.net/p/XoB3lR11.html and the second one is from my dns server http://rafb.net/p/Ci0UZ323.html |
| 10:05.38 | themill | colthe: good luck with it |
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| 10:06.56 | kexman | i want dnsmasq to resolve whatever my dns resolves and give me back that info nothing else. |
| 10:07.19 | kexman | if the dns host cant resolve abc then even if there is an abc host on my network it shouldnt be resolved |
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| 10:09.54 | zenit | I am trying to mount CIFS on boot in debian etch. The mount point works very well, but judging from the logs, it seems that the network might not be up: http://rafb.net/p/yfaSDP14.html I'm wondering if I just have to do it in rc.local, or is there a more elegant solution? |
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| 10:11.14 | ootput | hi guys, say i wanted to compile screen with different options, is there an apt- command that would fetch all dependencies for the build for screen? |
| 10:11.28 | themill | ootput: apt-get build-dep screen |
| 10:12.06 | ootput | would build-dep apply to almost all the packages in repo? |
| 10:12.11 | ootput | ie, apt-get can't find screen |
| 10:12.13 | jelly | zenit: tg3 driven card can be slow in bringing up network. Tried adding a "post-up sleep 5" line in its /etc/network/interfaces stanza? |
| 10:12.25 | ootput | more specifically: "E: Unable to find a source package for screen |
| 10:12.26 | ootput | " |
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| 10:12.51 | themill | ootput: you need to have a deb-src line in your sources.list ; then you can also apt-get source screen |
| 10:13.01 | ootput | oh silly me :) |
| 10:13.18 | slxix | kexman: where does get the "extra" information from? |
| 10:13.25 | ootput | hold on, I actually did |
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| 10:13.52 | _nost_ | i have an intel i810 graphics card, and even with xserver-xorg-intel package installed, xglinfo reports "direct rendering: off" |
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| 10:14.18 | ootput | _nost_: xserver-xorg-intel does not provide graphics acceleration |
| 10:14.24 | ootput | afaik |
| 10:14.43 | kexman | slxix: dnsmasq |
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| 10:15.04 | kexman | dns server = 192.168.1.101 |
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| 10:15.12 | kexman | router / dnsmasq = 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:15.22 | jelly | _nost_: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 10:15.37 | slxix | kexman: i meant, where does dnsmasq get the extra information from? |
| 10:15.48 | kexman | slxix: well from the client |
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| 10:16.37 | slxix | kexman: how, exactly? |
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| 10:16.47 | loop_ | hi people |
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| 10:19.52 | _nost_ | ootput: how can i activate the graphics acceleration? |
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| 10:20.13 | kexman | slxix: i have no idea :) |
| 10:20.19 | ootput | themill: neither command works with latest update from official repo ftp for etch |
| 10:20.22 | slxix | kexman: http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2007q3/001537.html |
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| 10:20.45 | themill | ootput: did you aptitude update after editing your sources.list? |
| 10:20.59 | slxix | you could try doing wrong to make your dnsmasq not accept the hostname? ;) |
| 10:21.14 | loop_ | I have a problem, with my debian lenny. When I close the lid of my laptop, CPU work intensely. Fan startup and I must open lid and reboot. Anyone can help me? I'm becoming crazy.... |
| 10:21.18 | kexman | slxix: nope that wont help me |
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| 10:21.33 | ootput | themill: yes |
| 10:21.47 | ootput | gnu screen is what i'm after |
| 10:21.52 | ootput | i didn't think it'd be so hard to fetch |
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| 10:22.35 | themill | ootput: it shouldn't be.... (and I've just tried it here and it works). Perhaps pastebin your sources.list |
| 10:23.50 | vadmeste | I was an ex-user of mandriva platform |
| 10:23.57 | vadmeste | and I am happy to user Debian now |
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| 10:24.03 | vadmeste | but just one thing |
| 10:24.21 | vadmeste | I think that Font Rendering of Mandriva is better than Debian |
| 10:24.33 | vadmeste | Text are more easy to read |
| 10:24.59 | CaT[t3] | did you install truetype fonts? |
| 10:25.14 | wackarnolds | if the debian install doesnt recognize my ethernet is there any way around it |
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| 10:25.57 | CaT[t3] | look for installers with more recent kernels, get your own kernel on there. find a driver... |
| 10:26.04 | petemc | wackarnolds: easiest way is to try another installer with a more up to date kernel, like etch and a half or lenny |
| 10:27.07 | themill | vadmeste: did you turn on (or off, according to taste) subpixel hinting? |
| 10:27.39 | vadmeste | themill: no, how can I turn on ? |
| 10:27.45 | wackarnolds | ive got the brand new dvd vis bittorent debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 10:28.24 | vadmeste | themill: yes.. I did it.. |
| 10:28.58 | vadmeste | themill: Xfce are more beautiful in font rendreing that Gnome et KDE |
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| 10:29.34 | vadmeste | themill: but I remember that font rendering is beautiful in mandriva |
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| 10:31.46 | cloakable_ | Is there a known problem with freezing with the RT61 module on the 486 etchnhalf kernel? |
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| 10:32.16 | Orion_X11 | When I update my system it still keeps many packages to update and give an advice to dist-upgrade or to mark all updates in synaptic for me to solve the situation. The problem is that I am using testing. So does it mean that if I follow that advice it will upgrade my system to unstable? |
| 10:32.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Orion_X11 about dist-upgrade |
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| 10:34.36 | loop_ | I have a problem, with my debian lenny. When I close the lid of my laptop, CPU work intensely. Fan startup and I must open lid and reboot. Anyone can help me? I'm becoming crazy.... |
| 10:35.52 | slxix | loop_: what make and model of laptop? |
| 10:36.10 | loop_ | asus a6tc-ap022h |
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| 10:36.49 | loop_ | I do not understand |
| 10:37.16 | loop_ | It's work fine but when I close lid CPU be crazy |
| 10:37.57 | slxix | have you done websearches for your make and model + linux or debian? |
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| 10:39.20 | loop_ | yes on web talks of a module that must be install, but in my debian this module it's already installed |
| 10:40.02 | themill | Is an opengl screensaver being loaded when the lid is closed? Can you ssh in from another machine when you close the lid and look at what happens on the box? |
| 10:41.19 | slxix | loop_: the web talks are of the same symptoms? if so, what module is it? |
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| 10:42.14 | loop_ | slxix I don't remember, now i search again |
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| 10:55.57 | Bushmills | loop, while : ; do ps aux > /tmp/ps_$(date +%s); sleep 10; done |
| 10:56.48 | Bushmills | run that, close lid, wait a minute, and check what keeps your notebook busy |
| 10:57.21 | loop_ | now I try |
| 10:57.34 | Bushmills | your might want to add ; sync before sleep, if you have to reboot |
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| 10:59.03 | zenit | jelly: thanks for the tip. I will try a small delay for the network card. |
| 10:59.23 | petemc | rebooting would delete anything in /tmp ,no? |
| 10:59.32 | Bushmills | no |
| 10:59.38 | petemc | since when? |
| 10:59.40 | themill | Bushmills: it normally does on debian |
| 10:59.43 | petemc | it did last time i checked |
| 10:59.56 | jelly | petemc: depends on /etc/default/dunnowhere |
| 10:59.56 | Bushmills | hm |
| 11:00.32 | jelly | Bushmills: s,/tmp,/root, (or wherever) |
| 11:00.46 | Bushmills | ok |
| 11:01.18 | loop_ | Bushmills |
| 11:01.26 | loop_ | never changes |
| 11:01.45 | Bushmills | pardon? |
| 11:02.11 | Bushmills | oh, you mean it doesn't show anything on the screen ... yes, that's right. it writes files to disk |
| 11:02.55 | Bushmills | those are meant to survive a boot but read petemc's and jelly's comment |
| 11:03.43 | loop_ | any change, when I close lid CPU goes crazy |
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| 11:04.17 | themill | Bushmills, jelly, petemc: /etc/default/rcS ; man 5 rcS (TMPTIME=0 => clean /tmp on boot is the default) |
| 11:04.28 | Bushmills | i don't know of any program, giving as CPU load output "went crazy" |
| 11:04.51 | petemc | would it not be sensible to look at lid.sh or whatever script is run when the lid is closed? |
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| 11:05.12 | slxix | Bushmills: perhaps we could make one for sid. |
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| 11:06.32 | ChrisWMac | how do I set the default text editor on debian? |
| 11:06.52 | loop_ | I go to lunch |
| 11:06.58 | loop_ | good lunch at all |
| 11:07.05 | CaT[t3] | chris: with dpkg-alternates |
| 11:07.12 | loop_ | see wee later :P |
| 11:07.13 | loop_ | bye |
| 11:07.26 | CaT[t3] | chris: with update-alternates :) |
| 11:07.34 | CaT[t3] | chris: with update-alternatives damnit. |
| 11:09.49 | ChrisWMac | thanks :-) |
| 11:10.13 | CaT[t3] | :) |
| 11:10.17 | CaT[t3] | I think i need a drink :) |
| 11:11.13 | ChrisWMac | update-alternatives not found :-( |
| 11:11.52 | themill | ChrisWMac: as root |
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| 11:12.29 | giantbicycle | update-alternatives --config editor |
| 11:13.34 | MacGyverNL | I've edited /etc/profile to export the right http_proxy and ftp_proxy variables, however, when I sudo apt-get it doesn't seem to use them. |
| 11:15.21 | MacGyverNL | What am I missing here? |
| 11:15.40 | themill | MacGyverNL: /etc/profile won't be sourced as sudo doesn't pretend to be a login environment so it doesn't source login scripts. See the -i option for sudo or put the env variables somewhere where they *will* be sourced /etc/bash.bashrc should be ok. |
| 11:16.52 | MacGyverNL | themill: They were in there, but didn't seem to be used either. |
| 11:16.57 | MacGyverNL | I'll check sudo -i. |
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| 11:20.49 | themill | Does "the simulations were performed on a Pentium Xeon workstation" make sense? |
| 11:21.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 11:21.34 | themill | doesn't chase chips much so hasn't got a clue whether a pentium xeon even exists |
| 11:21.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik Xeons /are not/ Pentiums |
| 11:22.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/Pentium/Intel and it makes more sense |
| 11:22.09 | jelly | Xeon is a marketing name for a couple of server-cpu generations |
| 11:22.20 | themill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Pentium_II_Xeon |
| 11:22.43 | CaT[t3] | it's annoyingly confusing. |
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| 11:23.14 | vsd | how many packages are there in etch currently? |
| 11:23.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | 12K source iirc |
| 11:23.33 | themill | (err... ECHAN, but thanks for the answers) |
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| 11:24.27 | CaT[t3] | has almost 19000 packages in his list. |
| 11:26.00 | jelly | !nickometer CaT[t3] |
| 11:26.02 | dpkg | 'CaT[t3]' is 23.000% lame, jelly |
| 11:26.16 | themill | !dstats |
| 11:26.20 | vsd | hm? |
| 11:26.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23767 packages, 1965 maintainers, 61925 MB installed size, 21681 MB compressed size. |
| 11:26.38 | vsd | and in etch? |
| 11:26.46 | MacGyverNL | themill: I've put the variables back into bash.bashrc and even edited root's .bashrc to contain them as well. |
| 11:26.57 | MacGyverNL | They're not being sourced when I use sudo apt-get. |
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| 11:27.55 | themill | MacGyverNL: do you export the variable? |
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| 11:28.50 | MacGyverNL | Lines in bash.bashrc are "export http_proxy=http://proxy.<undisclosed>.com/" and "ftp_proxy=http://proxy.<undisclosed>.com/" |
| 11:28.58 | MacGyverNL | The proxy is working fine. |
| 11:29.16 | MacGyverNL | And when I first su, then apt-get everything's fine. |
| 11:30.07 | CaT[t3] | macg: try sudo set |
| 11:30.13 | CaT[t3] | macg: try sudo set |
| 11:31.04 | themill | MacGyverNL: actually, I just have them in /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh and it works. I'm not sure if that's passing from one env to the other or if it's being read in by the sudo environment itself though. |
| 11:31.23 | vixey | can anyone tell me what you're supposed to do to install debian, the CD is booting (finally) but once I get into the shell off that install CD.. what do you do next? |
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| 11:32.01 | OpenTokix | vixey: press f1 for help? |
| 11:32.06 | OpenTokix | vixey: like it say on the screen |
| 11:32.47 | vixey | well I read through the help, and I tried the command line installer which just leaves me there.. and I tried the gui one but I just get a mouse in the middle screen and it flashes |
| 11:33.14 | vixey | like how do you get into partman? it's not in /bin |
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| 11:34.26 | aNOOBisa | has anybody installed xen on a 64 bit machine? |
| 11:35.12 | aNOOBisa | I am trying compile xen3.2.1 and would need some help/prerequisites for compilation |
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| 11:39.05 | vixey | is it a problem or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 11:40.41 | vsd | anyone that can tell me the etch package number? |
| 11:41.19 | themill | vsd: it's probably in the etch release press-release. |
| 11:41.29 | themill | !dstats etch |
| 11:41.35 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size. |
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| 11:41.44 | vsd | ah thanks |
| 11:41.59 | themill | vsd: no idea if that is just main or if that's also contrib and non-free |
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| 11:42.25 | themill | vsd: that's also only i386, I think, since dpkg normally only does i386... |
| 11:42.38 | vsd | ok thanks that's what i wanted :) |
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| 11:47.15 | TiMiDo | !dstats sid |
| 11:47.21 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23767 packages, 1965 maintainers, 61925 MB installed size, 21681 MB compressed size. |
| 11:48.37 | flami | allright ... is there something like aptitude install everything ? ;) |
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| 11:49.00 | Bushmills | flami: makes no sense - there are conflicting packages |
| 11:49.25 | cloakable | !dstats etch |
| 11:49.30 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size. |
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| 11:51.06 | themill | ravenbird: dstats etch |
| 11:51.14 | ootput | why is it that despite having deb-src specified in my sources.lst, with 'update' parsing those repos, that I can't apt-get source a package? |
| 11:51.22 | ravenbird | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18146 packages, 1711 maintainers, 41846 MB installed size, 13535 MB compressed size. |
| 11:51.26 | masus | hoxu: hi hoxu are u there ? |
| 11:51.28 | themill | (ravenbird tracks ppc, I believe) |
| 11:51.29 | ootput | the packaage in question is gnu screen |
| 11:51.53 | Bushmills | ootput: no idea - tell us, |
| 11:52.05 | themill | ootput: can you pastebin your sources.list, the output of apt-cache showsrc screen and apt-get update |
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| 11:53.13 | Legality | hi, cant get anything out of #mysql so I was wondering if someone here knew the answer to this question.. What's the default max_connections in mysql? |
| 11:53.36 | Legality | I hit the max_connections but it's a bit hard to set it via my.cnf because I don't know what's the valua in it now |
| 11:54.01 | ootput | themill: sure one sec |
| 11:54.10 | Bushmills | ootput: educated guess: because you type the command into an editor instead of on the command line? |
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| 11:55.32 | Bushmills | lega |
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| 11:55.45 | Bushmills | pff |
| 11:55.53 | themill | Legality: phpmyadmin can tell you |
| 11:55.55 | herakles | Hi, I'm trying to install mysql-server but get this error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory What would be the problem? |
| 11:55.56 | themill | bah |
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| 11:56.16 | stew | herakles: do you need compatibility with sarge? |
| 11:56.16 | Bushmills | stress kills |
| 11:56.21 | ootput | Bushmills, themill: http://pastebin.ca/1057126 |
| 11:56.26 | themill | Bushmills: one prize for guessing why #mysql didn't help... |
| 11:56.28 | herakles | stew, no |
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| 11:57.05 | stew | herakles: that error is that it is trying to write out sarge compatibility stuff into old_passwords.cnf but the conf.d directory is missing. you can either created that directory, or you can "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0" and turn off the sarge compatibility |
| 11:57.06 | masus | Legality: show variables like 'max_connections'; |
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| 11:57.14 | stew | herakles: and i'd consider filing a bug about this |
| 11:57.20 | themill | masus: he's long gone |
| 11:57.28 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:57.35 | masus | morning Nyle |
| 11:57.41 | wgvdfgdf | what does get backported in the etch kernel? |
| 11:57.55 | Bushmills | ootput: did you actually try to apt-get source anything? |
| 11:58.00 | ootput | screen |
| 11:58.03 | vsd_ | except security patches |
| 11:58.18 | ootput | 'unable to find source package' |
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| 11:58.39 | stew | vsd_: afaik nothing |
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| 11:59.34 | Nyle | hey guys i think i finished it. check it out, feel free to use it if you like it. http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_sunburst_final.jpg |
| 11:59.46 | themill | ootput: that sources.list the output of apt-get update don't match ... |
| 12:00.01 | ootput | themill: different instances |
| 12:00.10 | ootput | themill: i tried non-au source (ie official) |
| 12:00.13 | ootput | same difference |
| 12:00.15 | herakles | stew, Thank you |
| 12:00.38 | themill | ootput: the au mirror is flakey, that's for sure... |
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| 12:00.55 | ootput | yes it was down a few days ago |
| 12:01.33 | themill | ootput: it regularly is. But between ftp.monash and ftp.au there's normally one of them working.... btw /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 12:01.49 | Nyle | we need open source and free health care |
| 12:01.56 | Nyle | along with software |
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| 12:02.11 | abrotman | go go gadget debhelper |
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| 12:02.20 | Nyle | heh |
| 12:02.37 | ootput | themill: it must just be screen |
| 12:02.43 | ootput | themill: it appears to work with pydf |
| 12:02.48 | anddam | hello |
| 12:02.54 | Nyle | hi |
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| 12:03.27 | themill | ootput: Anyway, your box clearly knows about the source package... maybe it's just missing on that mirror for some reason. btw are you amd64 or i386 |
| 12:03.50 | ootput | themill: i386 |
| 12:04.03 | stew | shouldn't matter for deb-src anyway |
| 12:04.24 | themill | indeed. |
| 12:04.26 | Bushmills | ootput: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/ there is no i386 source package |
| 12:04.45 | Bushmills | not for 4.0.3-0.3 |
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| 12:05.14 | Bushmills | but there is [ ] screen_4.0.3-0.3+b1_i386.deb |
| 12:05.29 | themill | ootput: I just apt-got source screen from the .au mirror without any problems... |
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| 12:05.44 | ootput | themill: etch? |
| 12:05.49 | themill | yep |
| 12:06.20 | ootput | urgh, yet another apt-get update |
| 12:06.30 | ootput | i've been trying it for the past hour |
| 12:07.02 | ootput | Bushmills: how did you find out about the unavailability? |
| 12:07.03 | stew | Bushmills: i see screen_4.0.3-0.3.dsc in that directory |
| 12:08.06 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214568447994459906.png that what is shown here |
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| 12:08.24 | stew | and dget http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.0.3-0.3.dsc works |
| 12:08.44 | themill | Bushmills: yes, nothing wrong with that |
| 12:08.58 | anddam | I'm on lenny, I've installed libqt3 and libqt3-mt but make xconfig in linux sources keeps telling me it can't find qt |
| 12:09.00 | jelly | Bushmills: ewww for pasting text as png |
| 12:09.22 | anddam | ah wait, it asks for development package |
| 12:09.23 | Nyle | anddam, try those but with the -dev packages |
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| 12:09.27 | genta | hey folks. i lost my ftp password. it's still stored in my encrypted bookmarks. now i wonder if it's possible to emulate an FTPD with netcat or something to get the passwd back? is that possible with netcat? |
| 12:09.38 | themill | dpkg: tell anddam about kernel build-deps |
| 12:09.42 | Nyle | anddam, search libqt3|grep dev |
| 12:09.49 | Bushmills | jelly: laziest way to do so |
| 12:09.59 | jelly | !slap Bushmills |
| 12:10.00 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Bushmills's face |
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| 12:10.02 | Nyle | damn |
| 12:10.13 | anddam | themill: I got the tree from rt2x00 project |
| 12:10.14 | Nyle | resounding |
| 12:10.20 | anddam | this wifi is getting me a little crazy |
| 12:10.34 | themill | Bushmills: I'm sure copying to text pastebin is easier than making a snapshot, saving the snapshot and uploading... |
| 12:10.46 | ootput | WTH, i'm getting the same error |
| 12:10.49 | anddam | Nyle: i'm installing -mt-dev now, I just realized it was asking for dev packages |
| 12:10.56 | ootput | w/ apt-get source screen |
| 12:11.06 | themill | ootput: can you pastebin it for us? |
| 12:11.08 | Nyle | anddam, read the factoid |
| 12:11.20 | Bushmills | themill: my actions needed are: draw a frame around, then paste he URL with middle mouse button... |
| 12:11.21 | ootput | themill: what, the error? |
| 12:11.31 | ootput | E: Unable to find a source package for screen |
| 12:11.44 | ootput | w/ au. repos |
| 12:11.49 | Nyle | add deb-src? |
| 12:11.56 | ootput | yessir |
| 12:12.01 | Nyle | updated? |
| 12:12.08 | Nyle | apt-get update |
| 12:12.23 | ootput | yessir |
| 12:12.28 | themill | ootput: can you pastebin the command and output of: apt-get --print-uris source screen |
| 12:12.30 | Bushmills | ootput: can you wget "http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.0.3-0.3+b1_i386.deb" ? |
| 12:12.39 | anddam | is there an interface app to manipulate alternatives? |
| 12:12.40 | Bushmills | or curl, if you prefer |
| 12:12.52 | Nyle | update-alternatives --config -all |
| 12:12.53 | Nyle | something |
| 12:12.57 | Nyle | its interactive |
| 12:13.01 | ootput | Bushmills: sure downloading fine |
| 12:13.02 | themill | anddam: galternatives |
| 12:13.07 | ootput | but i'd rather use the apt- interface |
| 12:13.08 | Nyle | themill, ! |
| 12:13.29 | Nyle | i did not know gui |
| 12:13.34 | Nyle | cool |
| 12:13.37 | ootput | themill: same error message as above |
| 12:13.44 | Nyle | also recently discovered grandr (pretty damn good) |
| 12:13.52 | MacGyverNL | I've got a configure here complaining about a missing gio library, however, I'm unsuccesful in finding out what that exactly is. |
| 12:14.00 | MacGyverNL | Doesn't seem to be in etch's synaptic. |
| 12:14.10 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: actual error? |
| 12:14.24 | anddam | thanks |
| 12:14.38 | MacGyverNL | 4 lines paste. |
| 12:14.42 | MacGyverNL | 1 second. |
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| 12:14.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:14.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:15.03 | MacGyverNL | I know, I know. |
| 12:15.12 | stew | uhh, actually, i can reproduce the error with "apt-get source screen" |
| 12:15.18 | MacGyverNL | http://rafb.net/p/nYLWnv45.html |
| 12:15.24 | MacGyverNL | That's the config.log |
| 12:15.29 | MacGyverNL | Or rather, in the config.log |
| 12:15.32 | stew | but showsrc works |
| 12:15.33 | Bushmills | ootput: not really sure, looks like file names in Packages and files in pool not in sync - usually i'd suggest "apt-get update" but as you have done so already, i'd blame the mirror |
| 12:15.34 | ootput | stew: it worked for themill, he mentioned |
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| 12:15.41 | themill | stew: odd... it did work for me |
| 12:15.50 | stew | (i'm using a different mirror) |
| 12:15.50 | friede1 | olas |
| 12:16.10 | ootput | if anything, i thought the non-official mirrors would be at fault |
| 12:16.12 | themill | stew: ahh.. I even used the same mirror as ootput (on a .au box I look after...) |
| 12:16.12 | stew | Bushmills: this works: wget -O- http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/Sources.bz2 2>/dev/null | bzcat | grep-dctrl -X -F Package screen -s Version - |
| 12:16.13 | friede1 | how can i send ssh commands to severals Clients |
| 12:16.17 | Nyle | Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main screen 4.0.3-11 (dsc) [1051B] |
| 12:16.25 | anddam | dpkg says "libqt3-mt-dev (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4)" but the only qt reference I see in alternatives is qtconfig -> /usr/bin/qtconfig-qt4 while no qt3 package has qtconfig, they use pkgconfig |
| 12:16.26 | dpkg | that's too long, anddam |
| 12:16.29 | Nyle | I can have it work too... oh I'm on etch |
| 12:16.35 | Nyle | er.. sid |
| 12:16.55 | Nyle | anddam, what are you trying to build? |
| 12:16.58 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: it's telling you it's not building it because you didn't tell it to .. AFAICT |
| 12:17.09 | stew | themill: i'm using mirrors.kernel.org for sid, and i get "E: Unable to find a source package for screen" |
| 12:17.19 | ootput | ahh, all these headaches to allow 256 color in screen |
| 12:17.27 | anddam | Nyle: linux (I think) from rt2x00 git repository |
| 12:17.40 | Nyle | what rt2x00 |
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| 12:17.42 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:17.46 | themill | stew: now I'm really confused. Screen was bin-nmu'd that shouldn't confuse things should it? |
| 12:17.53 | MacGyverNL | abrotman: Hmm. I'm just using an autogen.sh here. I'll check with the devs of the package in question. |
| 12:18.00 | anddam | Nyle: I'm lost, use a verb... |
| 12:18.03 | Nyle | is this a driver? why is this not in the debian kernel? or compialable for debian? why you must build a whole kernel? |
| 12:18.08 | anddam | ah |
| 12:18.11 | Nyle | anddam, sorry, what IS.. |
| 12:18.16 | MacGyverNL | abrotman: Thanks though, saves me some digging. |
| 12:18.26 | ootput | themill: bin-nmu'd? |
| 12:18.30 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: that's the way i read it anyways |
| 12:18.35 | abrotman | !find libgio sid |
| 12:18.38 | dpkg | libgio-fam: (GLib Input, Output and Streaming Library (fam module)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.16.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 12:19.05 | themill | ootput, stew: just for the mix: http://rafb.net/p/tFT0TZ66.html |
| 12:19.07 | anddam | Nyle: it's a driver for Ralink wifi chipsets, it is in mainstream as of 2.6.24 and they provide a big cvs that is what I can just identify as a whole kernel tree |
| 12:19.17 | stew | themill: no, but the current version in unstable (the one i'm looking at) isn't binnmued anyway |
| 12:19.30 | Nyle | unstable/rt2x00/debian/ 2007-03-05 |
| 12:19.33 | themill | stew: yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 12:19.52 | anddam | oh xconfig changed its face |
| 12:20.15 | Nyle | anddam, apt-cache search rt2x00 |
| 12:20.29 | Nyle | it returns 3 diff models, and I think one of them should work for you |
| 12:20.39 | Nyle | build the driver with module assistant |
| 12:20.40 | jelly | wow, some people actually use those gtk or qt make *configs? |
| 12:20.41 | ootput | themill: urghh |
| 12:20.52 | Nyle | there is no need to build a new kernel from thier kernel source tree |
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| 12:20.56 | Nyle | its bullshit |
| 12:21.06 | ootput | themill: so your sources.lst is identical to mine |
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| 12:21.17 | stew | themill: http://paste.debian.net/8199 |
| 12:21.28 | Bushmills | ootput: if one doesn't want to go with telstra - what providers could one recommend in ,au? |
| 12:21.28 | anddam | Nyle: it won't work |
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| 12:21.46 | abrotman | Bushmills: tin cans and string |
| 12:21.54 | anddam | Nyle: only the latest tree supports Master mode, the one I built yesterday with m-a used a 2006 cvs snapshot |
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| 12:22.06 | Nyle | ask anyone else too, you probaby don't want to build a new non-debian kernel from someone else's soruce tree |
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| 12:22.09 | anddam | Nyle: and those drivers in repository are from legacy driver |
| 12:22.22 | pseudes | gulf |
| 12:22.39 | anddam | Nyle: I'm pretty lost in this wifi thingy, I tought installing win2k on the box as I need it as AP |
| 12:22.41 | ootput | Bushmills: au has shite internet plans |
| 12:22.53 | Nyle | anddam, which exactly model is it? |
| 12:22.53 | ootput | Bushmills: we pay through the nose for quality web surfing |
| 12:22.59 | anddam | rt2400 |
| 12:23.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:23.03 | dpkg | qotd154 is, like, 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste) |
| 12:23.04 | Nyle | anddam, its available in sid |
| 12:23.08 | Nyle | anddam, are you on etch? |
| 12:23.15 | Nyle | I'm not sure if its in etch |
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| 12:23.22 | stew | ootput: themill: oh, i got it, i have a apt.conf that is pointing Default-release at testing. do you have a /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 12:23.24 | Nyle | !info rt2400-source etch |
| 12:23.41 | stew | ^have^had :) |
| 12:23.48 | Nyle | NoobLearning, its not in etch |
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| 12:23.54 | pseudes | :) |
| 12:23.55 | Nyle | er.. no<comma> |
| 12:23.56 | ootput | stew: yep, it's pointing to stable |
| 12:23.58 | Nyle | stew, you da man |
| 12:24.01 | themill | stew: no apt.conf here |
| 12:24.05 | pseudes | ;) |
| 12:24.07 | Nyle | stew, how do i turn off nick completion automatic in irssi |
| 12:24.13 | Nyle | please |
| 12:24.22 | stew | Nyle: i don't know what that is |
| 12:24.22 | ootput | stew: oh, does that screw with the package heirarchy? |
| 12:24.28 | themill | ootput: stable or etch? |
| 12:24.29 | Nyle | stew, automatic nick completion? |
| 12:24.33 | ootput | themill: stable |
| 12:24.35 | Nyle | i though you'd know |
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| 12:24.40 | pseudes | <:) |
| 12:24.48 | Nyle | goes to irssi.org |
| 12:24.51 | stew | ootput: do you actually have non-stable sources in sources.list? |
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| 12:24.59 | ootput | that file has been untouched for god-knows when |
| 12:25.00 | anddam | Nyle: lenny |
| 12:25.05 | pseudes | ;) |
| 12:25.11 | Nyle | anddam, well you are in luck then |
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| 12:25.17 | ootput | stew: no, but I had it for pinning purposes a couple of releases back |
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| 12:25.28 | Nyle | i think you can safely use the rt2400-source package from sid? |
| 12:25.33 | ootput | stew: never got around to removing it as it didn't seem to do any harm |
| 12:25.33 | anddam | Nyle: no that source is from legacy driver not the new driver |
| 12:25.37 | themill | ootput: try apt-get --print-uris source screen -t etch |
| 12:25.37 | Nyle | what do you mean? |
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| 12:25.48 | Nyle | there is a driver for rt2400 in sid, can't be too old |
| 12:25.52 | Nyle | how do you know? |
| 12:25.54 | stew | ootput: well i'll bet its the thing doing the harm now |
| 12:25.55 | pseudes | ,) |
| 12:26.01 | Nyle | anddam, how did you check for this? |
| 12:26.02 | pseudes | !) |
| 12:26.03 | dpkg | from memory, ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 12:26.04 | anddam | Nyle: checked wiki and forum for rt2x00 project |
| 12:26.11 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.21 | anddam | Nyle: and I've used that driver for a couple years, it doesn't support Master mode |
| 12:26.24 | ootput | themill: i think you're ontosomething :) |
| 12:26.28 | Nyle | anddam, I see |
| 12:26.31 | anddam | Nyle: believe me |
| 12:26.31 | ootput | thanks guys, my issue has been resolved :D |
| 12:26.34 | Nyle | anddam, ok np |
| 12:26.37 | ootput | god that was unbelievably dumb |
| 12:26.39 | pseudes | ;) |
| 12:26.40 | extor | PARIS, June 26: Web regulators on Thursday voted to allow the creation of thousands of new domain names, from .paris to .Pepsi, in one of the biggest shake-ups in Internet history, a French web official said. |
| 12:26.41 | pseudes | :) |
| 12:26.43 | extor | The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) approved the change at its annual general meeting in Paris, according to Loic Damilaville, deputy head of the French domain name body, the AFNIC. |
| 12:26.46 | extor | The regulator also voted to allow domain names to be lodged in languages such as Arabic or Mandarin Chinese, he said. |
| 12:26.56 | Nyle | extor, why? |
| 12:26.58 | ootput | thanks stew,themill,Bushmills |
| 12:27.04 | anddam | Nyle: new branch would be called rt2x00 but m-a gets and old snapshot |
| 12:27.08 | extor | The overhaul is expected to radically change the way users navigate the Internet. |
| 12:27.10 | extor | Currently all web addresses fall under one of a set number of top-level domain names. There are 240 .country or .territory domains, and some 20 generic ones, from .com, .net and .org to .gov, .edu or .aero. |
| 12:27.13 | extor | Under the new system, the webâs 1.3 billion users would be able from early 2009 to buy an unlimited number of generic addresses based on common words, brands, company names, cities and proper names, according to ICANN. |
| 12:27.14 | Nyle | anddam, I see |
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| 12:27.20 | themill | ootput: woohoo :) |
| 12:27.43 | anddam | Nyle: check first rows here http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Downloads |
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| 12:28.21 | anddam | I think I could use ndiswrapper, is it easier on debian? |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | eww .. who would want to go to CMU .. |
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| 12:29.08 | bohanlon | Damned if I know |
| 12:29.24 | Bushmills | ootput: do you know them: http://www.adam.com.au/products_home_homeadsl.php ? |
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| 12:29.59 | ootput | Bushmills: haven't heard of 'em |
| 12:30.07 | ootput | Bushmills: i'm guessing they're just leasing lines |
| 12:30.22 | themill | Bushmills: they're pretty pricey |
| 12:30.26 | Bushmills | ootput: they offer naked dsl too, that's why i found them interesting |
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| 12:30.54 | anddam | themill: and they have a limit on monthly traffic |
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| 12:31.54 | Bushmills | yes. but won't cut or charge extra, instead they just reduce bandwidth, |
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| 12:31.59 | ootput | Bushmills: that's why au services suck. 'unlimited' is far from so |
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| 12:32.05 | themill | anddam: that's pretty common esp for .au. |
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| 12:32.29 | ootput | god i miss my premium road-runner service |
| 12:32.35 | anddam | poor p2p guys... |
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| 12:34.47 | Dantix | Hi all, I've just installed a new e-sata case on my box and I surprised that when I powered it on debian not give me any messages about the conection of a new device. Is it right? how can I "force" debian to find the new hard disk? |
| 12:35.05 | themill | anddam: poor windows users; last time I did some work on a machine for mum I took her well over her monthly limit.... |
| 12:35.18 | Bushmills | Dantix: fdisk -l |
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| 12:35.43 | Dantix | Bushmills: thanks |
| 12:36.24 | flami | Hi, is there a way to find out what packages depend on a certain package? |
| 12:36.55 | stew | flami: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
| 12:37.02 | flami | thanks |
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| 12:37.55 | stew | flami: note that rdepends is pretty liberal in what it will consider a reverse dependency, it will also include at least Suggests: and Recommends: maybe others |
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| 12:40.33 | Bushmills | flami: alternatively you can, in dselect, mark the package for deletion, that will show mark the packages which depend on it as deletions too. Shift-R undoes the deletion marking then. |
| 12:41.33 | themill | Bushmills: just let dselect die already.... |
| 12:42.02 | flami | well Im actually trying to find out how libsasl2-modules got installed in kde3 , but i think i found the chain. |
| 12:42.22 | Dantix | Bushmills: fdisk -l, just give me informaion about the partition of existent hard disk, but does not force to find the new added, hay you any other idea? |
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| 12:43.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Dantix about automount |
| 12:44.01 | Bushmills | Dantix: does the new drive show? |
| 12:44.30 | Bushmills | themill: sure - how to do that with aptitude? |
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| 12:45.41 | themill | Bushmills: same way -- aptitude remove packagename will give a list of packages that would be broken by doing that. (or apt-get for that matter). Same in aptitude ui -- select the package and then hit - and it will tell you what gets broken |
| 12:45.57 | Bushmills | themill: thanks. |
| 12:46.16 | themill | Bushmills: so you promise to let dselect rest in peace now ;) |
| 12:46.18 | Bushmills | i couldn't tell as i don't know aptitude well enough |
| 12:46.31 | ootput | ot: but does the gutenberg project offer rsync mirrors as opposed to a simple http servings? |
| 12:46.36 | ootput | -s |
| 12:46.45 | helo | is there a way to get suspend to disk to work properly with two users logged into their own X sessions, each which hibernate on the same event? |
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| 12:47.09 | draft | hi |
| 12:47.15 | helo | it fails to get all the way into the resume image, or it will resume and then hibernate again immediately quite often |
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| 12:48.03 | ootput | two simultaneous X sessions on a multi-head gpu? |
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| 12:48.43 | draft | i would like to be able to write on UFS filesystem under debian. I actually have the default kernel (2.6.25-2-486), where UFS is compiled as a module with write support disabled. Do you know how to compile my own module formy kernel UFS where write supoprt is enabled ? A search on google didn't give me a clue |
| 12:48.46 | Dantix | Bushmills: yes is new, but linux never knows that I've connected the device |
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| 12:48.56 | ootput | sounds like a problem restoring data from video cards |
| 12:49.02 | draft | i could recompile my kernel, but i'm running debian on an old machine and that would take a while |
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| 12:49.24 | Bushmills | Dantix: if it shows, it is "detected". you just need partitions, and create file systems |
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| 12:50.01 | Bushmills | Dantix: then make them permanently available by adding them to your fstab. |
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| 12:50.35 | Dantix | Bushmills. i think that's the problem, linux does not shows anything... may be my motherboard have not support for hotswap e-sata? |
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| 12:51.00 | themill | ootput: no, it's a real problem with gnome-power-manager -- one g-p-m sees the "hibernate" event from closing the lid and so starts off the hibernation process; when it wakes up later, the second g-p-m then gets a chance to respond and you do this again. (this is with fast-user-switching not necessarily dual head) |
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| 12:51.57 | masus | my output on /dev/sda1 is at %97 full. and i dont know which files are on /dev/sda1 i want to delete unused files. does anyone knoe how to find it out ? |
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| 12:52.07 | masus | Thanks. |
| 12:52.11 | Dantix | I'll refrase, e-sata hd is for debian like usb hd is? I mean, it shoul detect it as soon I connect it to the box? |
| 12:52.21 | ootput | themill: there's no way for privileged intervention whereby the second hibernation call is identified before the machine goes into hibernation for the first time? |
| 12:52.21 | draft | any idea please ? |
| 12:52.41 | ootput | effectivly nullifying the second event trigger? |
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| 12:53.46 | mmu_man | hmm anyone knows an NTFS recovery tool for linux ? |
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| 12:56.12 | draft | How to compile a module for my kernel without having to recompile my whole kernel please ? |
| 12:56.47 | mmu_man | let's check ntfsprogs |
| 12:57.18 | mmu_man | draft dunno, try reading the docs for OSSv4, they do that at install time |
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| 12:57.33 | mmu_man | due to the total lack of a clean driver API in linux |
| 12:58.06 | mmu_man | ohhh ntfsundelete in ntfstools... |
| 12:58.08 | mmu_man | let's try that |
| 12:58.44 | mmu_man | hmm I'm afraid gnome will want to mount the disk if I put it in the box... anyone know how I can disable automounting ? |
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| 13:04.27 | Form | where can I find old versions of Debian packages? |
| 13:04.37 | Form | I recall there was a searchable mirror for it |
| 13:05.07 | Form | um, "mirror" |
| 13:05.42 | mmu_man | oh I needed that once as an update broke vlc, but can't recall where it was |
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| 13:06.30 | Form | my problem exactly |
| 13:06.34 | stew | Form: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 13:07.29 | s0lid | is there a php5 package with imap-ssl? |
| 13:07.35 | s0lid | i mean already in .deb? |
| 13:08.36 | mmu_man | !tell Form about sdn |
| 13:09.04 | mmu_man | I knew someone told me about it once :) |
| 13:09.22 | mmu_man | pets grep |
| 13:09.37 | themill | ootput: you'd think that the combination of dbus and g-p-m would do that... but not currently |
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| 13:15.51 | Form | stew: got it, thanks |
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| 13:18.23 | baf_ | hello |
| 13:18.49 | baf_ | pls can anyone suggest me a gigabit NIC that is supported out of the box with Debian Etch> |
| 13:19.16 | tarzeau | baf_: the intel ones |
| 13:19.23 | tarzeau | baf_: also the realtek gbit ones worked for us |
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| 13:19.37 | tarzeau | baf_: and the nvidia ones, if you don't want to use it in linux while pxe booting |
| 13:20.15 | baf_ | tarzeau intel are fine, but very expensive. I could live with some cheaper. Any specific realtek one? |
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| 13:21.34 | AwesomeGuy | what was the command to see how much cpu is being used and by what program? |
| 13:21.41 | tarzeau | baf_: RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver ? |
| 13:21.49 | tarzeau | baf_: actually i'm not sure it works, i just see it in lspci |
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| 13:21.56 | tarzeau | baf_: we've got intel ones in all of the boxes |
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| 13:22.05 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: top ? |
| 13:22.07 | tarzeau | AwesomeGuy: htop? |
| 13:22.23 | baf_ | tarzeau : thaks for suggestion |
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| 13:23.15 | AwesomeGuy | top worked thanks |
| 13:23.33 | AwesomeGuy | htop doesn't do anything |
| 13:23.49 | tarzeau | AwesomeGuy: sure, but you probably don't have it installed |
| 13:23.55 | baf_ | AwesomeGuy apt-get install htop |
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| 13:24.23 | AwesomeGuy | I don't need it, top was fine |
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| 13:25.37 | Nishkorma | Yeah,top rox |
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| 13:26.10 | AwesomeGuy | hmm, I only have about 55 MB left. |
| 13:26.36 | AwesomeGuy | either 55 or 5 |
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| 13:26.54 | AwesomeGuy | 5560 free, I'm guessing that's kb |
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| 13:27.16 | AwesomeGuy | 5.5 MN, or 55 MB? |
| 13:27.19 | AwesomeGuy | *MB |
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| 13:27.26 | Bushmills | AwesomeGuy: you don't want much more than that for free mem |
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| 13:27.52 | AwesomeGuy | I mean space on my HD |
| 13:28.03 | Bushmills | oh. |
| 13:28.10 | Bushmills | you want way more than that :) |
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| 13:28.13 | AwesomeGuy | free does HD space right? |
| 13:28.18 | carlus | hello from france |
| 13:28.33 | AwesomeGuy | parlez-vous francais? |
| 13:28.34 | tarzeau | AwesomeGuy: df shows that |
| 13:28.41 | carlus | oui ! |
| 13:28.58 | defrysk | df -h |
| 13:29.03 | AwesomeGuy | tu petite-ami a bein seins? |
| 13:29.16 | AwesomeGuy | I'mm try df |
| 13:29.18 | carlus | i have a pb with the network on a etch without X, somebody can help me ? |
| 13:29.28 | carlus | AwesomeGuy: oui, très beaux :) |
| 13:29.31 | jaggz1 | I still don't see what the difference is between what "aptitude search" and "apt-cache search" search -- but I see the difference in results |
| 13:29.37 | jaggz1 | apt-cache returns more.. |
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| 13:30.37 | AwesomeGuy | 1363672, is that 1363 MB? |
| 13:30.42 | AwesomeGuy | or 363 MB |
| 13:30.50 | AwesomeGuy | i mean 136 |
| 13:31.09 | helo | is it safe to transport user crontabs from one system to another with identical users and uids by tarring up /var/spool/cron/crontabs? |
| 13:31.16 | logd | hi actually i boot my sys from a cd with grub & the same kernel as my sys since system is stored on usb disk and pc doesn't support booting from - now if i compile a tiny linux that *only* has support for usb storage and fundamentals fx i'll be stil able to boot the way i'm doing? |
| 13:31.23 | tarzeau | helo: i already did so, yes |
| 13:31.29 | defrysk | AwesomeGuy, use df -h |
| 13:31.41 | defrysk | makes is readable for humans |
| 13:31.48 | defrysk | it* |
| 13:32.10 | AwesomeGuy | I have 1.4 GB of space left :D |
| 13:32.26 | defrysk | wow i had hd's that big |
| 13:32.53 | AwesomeGuy | the antire HD is 11 GB |
| 13:32.58 | AwesomeGuy | *entire |
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| 13:33.22 | AwesomeGuy | I gave debian 4.1GB |
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| 13:34.22 | ootput | when building from debian source, how come modications to debian/rules (to pass extra flags) aren't interpreted with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 13:35.40 | stew | ootput: they are |
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| 13:36.36 | ootput | stew: am i supposed to modify any other files if i were to pass only a few flags? |
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| 13:37.04 | rnix | hi, i need a pam plugin where i can perform a login in some scripting laguage, i.e. sh, python, or similar. anyone knows such a thing? |
| 13:37.16 | stew | ootput: you might consider bumping the version in the changelog, dch is a script that will help you with this, try, for instance "dch --nmu" |
| 13:37.52 | ootput | stew: sorry, dch of which package? |
| 13:38.04 | stew | ootput: devscripts |
| 13:38.07 | AwesomeGuy | iceweasel keeps freezing |
| 13:38.16 | AwesomeGuy | idk why |
| 13:38.21 | stew | AwesomeGuy: try running it without your extensions/plugins |
| 13:38.49 | stew | ootput: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 13:38.57 | AwesomeGuy | I don't have any extensions, and all I think I have for plugins is java and flash |
| 13:39.09 | stew | AwesomeGuy: then it's probably flash |
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| 13:40.42 | helo | AwesomeGuy: has it just started recently? |
| 13:40.50 | helo | or has it always frozen up? |
| 13:40.56 | themill | ootput: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 13:40.57 | AwesomeGuy | just recently |
| 13:40.58 | ootput | stew: enable 256 colors in a few select tools |
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| 13:41.08 | AwesomeGuy | I think it might have been this IGN page I had on |
| 13:41.37 | helo | i've noticed that iceweasel has been acting differently recently... freezing for several seconds on pages, closing itself, etc... it used to just lock up completely only when i would try to close tabs with flash running |
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| 13:46.32 | AwesomeGuy | and if I use up/down to go up/down a page it iwll freeze and keep going up/down until it stops, then it might unfeeze |
| 13:46.36 | rgr | helo: I pinned the unstable iceweasel so I could use ff 3.0. It worked. But the last update meant it stopped working completely I had to revert to v2. hth. |
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| 13:47.41 | howlingmadhowie | hi everybody. my new ppc's arrived :) and i've installed etch on it. however, i found a pre-compiled firefox3 on the net, but it requires glibc_2.4 and strings /lib/tls/libc.so.6 | grep GLIBC stops at 2.3.4. question: could i try installing glibc from lenny? |
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| 13:48.37 | stew | howlingmadhowie: if you were going to do that, you might as well just upgrade to testing |
| 13:48.54 | stew | howlingmadhowie: it would be better to just recompile the package against etch, or find one already compiled for etch |
| 13:48.59 | howlingmadhowie | stew: do you know how good testing is on the ppc? i had trouble with it on hppa |
| 13:49.18 | stew | howlingmadhowie: you should expect it to be similar on ppc |
| 13:50.00 | howlingmadhowie | mm. okay. i'll search around a while longer for another binary. if i don't find one, i'll try to compile it myself :) |
| 13:50.58 | howlingmadhowie | is upgrading the distro as easy as changing the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and telling it to go fetch? |
| 13:51.20 | helo | i'm using etch, so it probably isn't the same for me :) |
| 13:51.45 | cloakable | howlingmadhowie: use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade, but yup. |
| 13:52.03 | howlingmadhowie | oh there's a dist-upgrade command :) i didn't know that ;) |
| 13:52.08 | defrysk | hobest to use a tty in case x breaks during upgrade |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | !tell howlingmadhowie about etch->lenny |
| 13:52.21 | defrysk | *dist-upgrade |
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| 13:52.39 | colulu | hi, could someone tell me the package name for glib if I want to apt-get install it? |
| 13:52.39 | themill | howlingmadhowie: you have to decide if you want to change to testing though. /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 13:53.12 | howlingmadhowie | lots of people at the lug say nice things about testing |
| 13:53.16 | boguh | hi, i want to install ubuntu on an gigabyte ga-ep35-ds3r. i created a raid0 device but installer always shows me two devices |
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| 13:53.42 | abrotman | boguh: hi, try #ubuntu |
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| 13:55.08 | BubbaT | Hi. I have a version of dsl in a VM which I want to use to retrieve email, sort and store it in a folder where a client can get at it later. The problem: |
| 13:55.16 | BubbaT | Thereare so many email options I don't know which to use. Suggestions? |
| 13:55.27 | colulu | could someone help me in installing glib? |
| 13:55.34 | abrotman | BubbaT: DamnSmallLinux ? |
| 13:55.42 | BubbaT | abrotman, yep. |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | colulu: doing what? |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | BubbaT: ask them, this is #debian .. i couldn't hazard a guess at what packages DSL has available |
| 13:56.06 | stew | colulu: why do you need to install glib? are you compiling something? what? |
| 13:56.37 | tingle | how can in terminal see what packages i got installed? |
| 13:56.44 | stew | tingle: aptitude search '~i' |
| 13:57.15 | colulu | stew: yes |
| 13:57.30 | colulu | stew: i am writing some code and needs the glib |
| 13:57.41 | defrysk | apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:57.46 | stew | colulu: apt-cache search libglib dev |
| 13:57.51 | abrotman | defrysk: aptitude |
| 13:58.01 | defrysk | abrotman, why ? |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | !tell defrysk about why aptitude |
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| 13:58.36 | defrysk | whatever |
| 13:59.20 | colulu | abrotman, stew: thanks alot |
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| 14:00.17 | BubbaT | abrotman, I'm guess pretty much anything in woody ( since it uses apt-get ), but if I have to I will change to another minimal OS. The problem is which programs to use for retrieving, sending, and sorting mail. |
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| 14:00.38 | abrotman | BubbaT: woody hasn't been supported since like .. 2006 ? |
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| 14:00.55 | abrotman | BubbaT: apt-cache search email client .. that's all i can tell you |
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| 14:01.10 | libervisco | Anyone else having this when inserting DVD's that were just burned: "cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!" ? |
| 14:01.16 | BubbaT | ALso for the most part I am not looking for anything fancy , just tried and true apps. |
| 14:01.56 | defrysk | end of life woody : http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070110 |
| 14:02.18 | vadmeste | Hi, can any user in my Desktop set him timezone ? |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | BubbaT: try asking #damnsmalllinux |
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| 14:04.37 | BubbaT | Also the fact that you say search for "email client" tells me you misunderstand my question. I'm not looking for a client yet, I'm looking for MTA and processing software. |
| 14:04.57 | BubbaT | exim,postfix, procmail,sendmail, fetchmail... |
| 14:05.18 | BubbaT | That's what's confusing. What do i use? So many options. |
| 14:05.47 | SlayerXP | BubbaT: if in doubt use the default, exim in this case |
| 14:06.16 | maligor | isn't fetchmail just a email grabber |
| 14:06.26 | maligor | and use sendmail only if you want to torture yourself |
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| 14:07.56 | BubbaT | mailigor, I think so, but this has to be two programs working together. Like postfix and procmail. Since I don't think there is an MTA that also processes mail. |
| 14:08.34 | stew | BubbaT: what do you mean by process? deliver? |
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| 14:09.23 | tingle | how can i see what deamon is using port 21 atm? |
| 14:09.31 | maligor | lsof |
| 14:09.39 | stew | tingle: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 14:10.00 | tingle | stew: ty |
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| 14:11.15 | abrotman | BubbaT: how about oyu install debian .. then come back and ask us ? |
| 14:11.17 | BubbaT | stew, I mean process the mail. Examples are, extract the email from a mailist into a seperate folder, recognize mail I've forwarded from a different account extract the wrapper and save the rest... |
| 14:12.01 | BubbaT | I've got so many I can;t remember them all and I want to make a system that does the processing before I strat organising. |
| 14:12.13 | BubbaT | s/strat/start/ |
| 14:12.24 | jelly | BubbaT: procmail or filter? |
| 14:12.27 | stew | BubbaT: procmail or maildrop are MDAs |
| 14:12.27 | abrotman | install Debian first? |
| 14:13.12 | jelly | procmail is more than a MDA (ie it can be used to reprocess mail at some other time than just at delivery) |
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| 14:15.11 | BubbaT | jelly, that's good, then when I add new rules it can reprocess the old mail. |
| 14:15.38 | BubbaT | tingle, also you can look in /etc/services |
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| 14:17.05 | BubbaT | The quetion really is what combination of MDA/MTA do I want to use? |
| 14:17.24 | jelly | BubbaT: how could we know? |
| 14:17.35 | abrotman | and how about asking ##linux or #damnsmalllinux |
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| 14:17.55 | Jyzygzy- | i seriosly wonder how am i gonna be able to access the DSL box settings when it has the ip-address 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:17.55 | jelly | ... BubbaT, you're not running debian? |
| 14:18.00 | Jyzygzy- | thats my gateway address |
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| 14:18.14 | Jyzygzy- | so no matter where i plug it its gonna collide with gateway |
| 14:18.25 | abrotman | jelly: i've been saying that |
| 14:19.01 | jelly | hrmph |
| 14:19.04 | BubbaT | jelly, right now I'm running dsl, but it's in a VM and I am willing to switch to any "debian based" minimal OS as long as it gets me there. |
| 14:19.25 | jelly | BubbaT: until that time, try ##linux |
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| 14:22.04 | tingle | i dont want ftpd en sshd to start on boot i just want to start is when i want and stop it when i want. how can i get them out the booting process? |
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| 14:23.27 | petemc | tingle: update-rc.d -f foo remove , replace foo with the names of the daemons in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:23.54 | BubbaT | tingle, "what does when I want mean"? There is inetd, which doesn't start the daemons until someone tries to connect. |
| 14:25.09 | tingle | BubbaT: thanks! now i understand it i saw inetd was running on port 21 but diddnt understand why it diddnt just say fptd or something like that |
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| 14:40.28 | fairway | hi all |
| 14:40.30 | fairway | i have a question about truecrypt |
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| 14:48.40 | MacGyverNL | Gentlemen, on Debian linux running site install of eclipse Europa, I get the following error when trying to install new featurs -> Eclipse project updates -> Eclipse 3.3.2 and Patches: http://rafb.net/p/baYHA795.html |
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| 14:52.25 | maordeb | anyone knows why i get: Fatal error: mydomain.com/: No such file or directory... Connection closed... after successful login? im talking about courier imap server |
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| 14:54.26 | wols_ | maordeb: no the maildir exists for that user? |
| 14:54.46 | boguh | hi, now debian show my raid1 device as two single devices. i created the raid1 with an intecl ich9r controller |
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| 14:55.23 | wols_ | boguh: software raid? |
| 14:56.22 | boguh | wols_ no, configured it with the controller |
| 14:56.25 | maordeb | wols_, somehow i changed MAILDIRPATH to Maildir and did a makemaildir and still no luck |
| 14:56.52 | wols_ | boguh: not supported. use software raid |
| 14:57.00 | wols_ | it's not a raid controller anyways. it's fakeraid |
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| 14:57.45 | boguh | wols_ fakeraid? |
| 14:57.52 | Mantaar | Hey guys, what's up with apt-get asking for a password for upgrading the fetchmail package when doing a system upgrade? |
| 14:58.02 | Mantaar | Neither Root nor user nor mailpasswords work... |
| 14:58.03 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 14:58.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 14:58.39 | Ian_Buell | quick question for anyone - a new guy here - just downloaded iso's from debian website (4 gigs each) does each have to be installed, or just the first one? |
| 14:58.44 | boguh | !md |
| 14:58.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, md is the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>. |
| 14:59.13 | Mantaar | Ian_Buell: you don't even need the first one, if you have a fast connection... |
| 14:59.22 | Mantaar | Ian_Buell: but, yeah, just the first one. |
| 14:59.42 | Ian_Buell | can't get my laptop to connect to internet through vista, trying to get rid of it... |
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| 14:59.52 | Ian_Buell | k... thanks... |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | boguh: you were installing Ubuntu an hour ago, has that changed? |
| 15:00.27 | Ian_Buell | hey!!! i was trying to install Kubuntu... the grub install failed... anyone know why that would happen? |
| 15:00.44 | amphi | Ian_Buell: #ubuntu might know |
| 15:00.46 | renginez02 | !ubuntu |
| 15:00.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:00.47 | boguh | abrotman yes, wanted to know if its an distri problem |
| 15:01.15 | renginez02 | anyone here know whats the latest source links for debian etch? or a site which provides it all? kinda urgent |
| 15:01.17 | Ian_Buell | that's why I downloaded debian instead... |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | boguh: likely your board is using fakeraid .. not real hardware raid |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | renginez02: source for what? |
| 15:01.47 | Mantaar | so really no one knows why fetchmail is asking for a password when upgrading? Is this a bug then? |
| 15:01.53 | wols_ | abrotman: nit just likely. ICH9R is fakeraid through and through |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | i didn't catch his controller |
| 15:02.10 | Ian_Buell | when I install that first dvd Mantaar, will it give me gui like kde? |
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| 15:02.27 | wols_ | Ian_Buell: no. there is a kde install CD tho |
| 15:02.33 | renginez02 | abrotman: the source link in sources.list that gets updates, build-essential, kernel headers updates...the default is no use...so i wanna chnage a better one n updated one. |
| 15:02.35 | abrotman | Ian_Buell: parts of it maybe .. most of us use the netinst .. then get the rest from http soruces |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | !tell renginez02 about sources.list |
| 15:02.50 | abrotman | !tell renginez02 about mirrors |
| 15:03.04 | stew | Ian_Buell: if you ask for a "Desktop" install, it will give you gnome unless you use a kde specific installer. if you want kde instead of gnome, you can just skip "Desktop" and run "aptitude isntall kde xorg" after the install is finished |
| 15:03.19 | stew | ^isntall^install |
| 15:03.32 | boguh | abrotman strange, because the board has 2 raid controllers. the gigabyte thind and the intel controller |
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| 15:03.40 | berzerka | i installed mplayer. where do i get mencode for debian? |
| 15:03.45 | abrotman | boguh: i doubt either are real raid |
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| 15:03.52 | renginez02 | ah thanks... |
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| 15:04.33 | renginez02 | but i used the ones u gave me....it couldnt provide a build essential that supports iw command |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | can't parse! |
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| 15:05.23 | abrotman | renginez02: how about you paste your sources.list and we'll tell you if they are broken |
| 15:05.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:05.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:10.42 | renginez02 | abrotman: Well they aren"t broken< its just that i wanna make sure that i got a complete build essential for iw commands later on...however ill paste the cmmands. |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | what is 'iw' commands ? |
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| 15:12.12 | wols_ | iwconfig maybe? |
| 15:12.51 | renginez02 | nope it is "iw"....its some sort of stuffs related to sysfs |
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| 15:14.54 | renginez02 | abrotman: heres my link : http://paste.debian.net/8226/ |
| 15:15.23 | abrotman | seems fine to me .. the bits for build-essential are in main |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | since i have no idea what iw is .. i can't tell you if that verseion of gcc supports it |
| 15:16.14 | renginez02 | abrotman: well iw is what i knew it from aircrack.. |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | though i do wonder why someone in malaysia is using .us sources .. but whatever |
| 15:16.27 | renginez02 | if anyone here noe about it would be great.. |
| 15:17.03 | renginez02 | abrotman: no choice, seems us would be the best choice |
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| 15:17.22 | abrotman | i'd think there's a faster mirror closer to you .. but whatever |
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| 15:17.45 | mmu_man | ok ntfsundelete seems to work quite well, hopefully those photos will be back |
| 15:17.50 | abrotman | like hong kong or australia |
| 15:18.00 | renginez02 | abrotman: its alrite...if it does the magic..who cares ;-) |
| 15:18.03 | abrotman | right |
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| 15:18.12 | mmu_man | some ppl really shouldn't be given computers... they delete both copy and original versions and then ask us to recover them |
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| 15:18.26 | renginez02 | mmu_man...uu thats sick man |
| 15:18.28 | abrotman | some people shouldn't be given keyboards with vowels |
| 15:18.49 | cahoot | ooo |
| 15:18.53 | mmu_man | actually I think his son did that :) |
| 15:18.54 | renginez02 | brb in a wile guys...i got sh*t to do |
| 15:19.10 | renginez02 | mmu_man: he is accusing his son alrite |
| 15:19.15 | mmu_man | eh |
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| 15:21.20 | SerajewelKS | online volume resizing only works for growing volumes, right? |
| 15:21.55 | mmu_man | geee nautilus doesn't like having 1938 jpg files in the same folder |
| 15:21.58 | SerajewelKS | my / is some 130gb and i'm using 9gb... i'd like to reclaim 100gb of that for my lvm |
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| 15:22.53 | yitz_ | How can I search for packages based on name or description using the command line? |
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| 15:23.17 | gndPelikan | Hello |
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| 15:23.35 | gndPelikan | I recently did a dist-upgrade and now iceweasel segfaults on startup |
| 15:23.41 | infinitycircuit | yitz_: apt-cache search X |
| 15:23.52 | oskude | yitz_, apt-cache search --names-only X |
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| 15:25.26 | yitz_ | Thanks |
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| 15:27.17 | abrotman | gndPelikan: try it in safe mode .. and try to move .mozilla to .mozilla-old .. |
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| 15:29.25 | berzerka | when doing an _ioctl_ (normal rw file access works) on a device file under /dev/bus/usb/*/* or /proc/bus/usb/*/*, under debian i get "Permission Denied" upon trying to "claim" the interface (USBDEVFS_CLAIMINTERFACE ioctl), on my gentoo system at home it works. has anyone an idea what could be causing the difference? |
| 15:31.06 | Jyzygzy- | whats the easiest way to ping all the addresses in 192.168.0.??? |
| 15:31.30 | rvsjoen | nmap |
| 15:31.34 | Jyzygzy- | how? |
| 15:31.43 | rvsjoen | nmap -sP 192.168.0.* |
| 15:32.32 | Jyzygzy- | ohh nice! |
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| 15:32.49 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: man ping |
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| 15:33.44 | rvsjoen | if you want to list all hosts even if they are down use -v |
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| 15:35.56 | Jyzygzy- | god damn i don't understand how im gonna get into the setup of this router box |
| 15:36.04 | DeadFishMan | rvsjoen: that tip with nmap was awesome! |
| 15:36.19 | Jyzygzy- | seriosly how am i gonna access it when it has the 192.168.0.1 address |
| 15:36.24 | Jyzygzy- | i already have that address in my network |
| 15:36.42 | DeadFishMan | rvsjoen: I always wanted a easy way to tell which machines on myu small home network were up and running and that's it! Thanks a bunch! ^^ |
| 15:37.06 | MacGyverNL | Jyzygzy-: Simply remove the current network cable from your pc, connect the router, do the setup and reconnect your pc to the network. |
| 15:37.22 | Jyzygzy- | MacGyverNL thats the only way? |
| 15:37.33 | MacGyverNL | Duplicate IP addresses are a no-go. |
| 15:37.33 | Jyzygzy- | it involved one of my computers going offline from the LAN |
| 15:37.38 | Jyzygzy- | :\ |
| 15:37.38 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, you could also mess with the arp tables |
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| 15:38.32 | bokey | Jyzygzy-: or get into that offending box and bring it down. then setup static route to that host. that's one way imho |
| 15:38.52 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, "man 8 tcpdump" to figure out the arp address of the router box; "man 8 arp" to explicitly set the entry |
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| 15:39.14 | Jyzygzy- | now it sounds better ;) |
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| 15:39.42 | yitz_ | Can someone suggest a GUI replacement for tail? |
| 15:39.47 | MacGyverNL | Seems an awful lot of trouble to change the IP address on a router box, but well... |
| 15:39.51 | MacGyverNL | That's my personal opinion. |
| 15:39.54 | Jyzygzy- | lol |
| 15:39.54 | hoxu | yitz_, what? |
| 15:39.59 | rvsjoen | the macaddr is usually printed on the box |
| 15:40.10 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, ^ |
| 15:40.10 | rvsjoen | its still easier to disconnect the computer temporarily |
| 15:40.14 | infinitycircuit | yitz_: umm x-terminal-emulator -e tail ? |
| 15:40.21 | yitz_ | A program with a pretty GUI to monitor log files |
| 15:40.32 | hoxu | yitz_, have a look at root-tail |
| 15:40.41 | Jyzygzy- | the box is probably transmitting its stupid MAC address with ARP |
| 15:40.54 | yitz_ | Specifically looking for features like clearing previous stuff to see new results only. Will checkl root-tail |
| 15:41.02 | Jyzygzy- | hes like "yo guys im 192.168.0.1" |
| 15:41.25 | maligor | yitz_, gnome-system-log? |
| 15:42.08 | rvsjoen | it depends whether the box does gratitous arp |
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| 15:43.24 | Jyzygzy- | tcpdump proto arp |
| 15:43.56 | yitz_ | maligor: Yeah. bolding new lines is nice, though I'd still prefer a way to clear old lines... |
| 15:44.09 | Jyzygzy- | wtf the syntax in tcpdump is all weird |
| 15:44.15 | Jyzygzy- | even in synopsis |
| 15:44.19 | rvsjoen | tcpdump arp |
| 15:44.35 | Jyzygzy- | the manual was wrong? |
| 15:45.18 | Jyzygzy- | hmm lets see no i have to send a broadcast "who-has 192.168.0.1" |
| 15:45.23 | Jyzygzy- | and ill get two replys |
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| 15:49.04 | rvsjoen | that manual has annoyed me so many times |
| 15:49.08 | Jyzygzy- | yay |
| 15:49.21 | Jyzygzy- | rvsjoen as i suspected i got 2 replies |
| 15:50.07 | rvsjoen | good |
| 15:50.26 | Jyzygzy- | now i can bind some weird address like 192.168.0.133 to the box? |
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| 15:51.25 | rvsjoen | you can remove the box you dont want to talk to from your arp table |
| 15:51.36 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, you can probably change the IP of the box *after* you get connected |
| 15:51.49 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu indeed i can |
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| 15:52.08 | Jyzygzy- | first i have to get connected |
| 15:52.11 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, "arp -n" to view the arp table, "man 8 arp" for how to change it |
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| 15:52.51 | hoxu | rvsjoen, are you sure both entries are in the table? |
| 15:52.53 | Jyzygzy- | shame the examples doesn't have one for me |
| 15:53.07 | rvsjoen | no, if they are not add a permanent entry for the box you want to talk to |
| 15:53.09 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu no their not but i did arping |
| 15:53.23 | _0xFFA_ | hey i know this should be for #openssh, but they are sleeping :X... the usual UseDNS no option isn't fixing my slow ssh login |
| 15:53.24 | Jyzygzy- | two replies came and another one is the box |
| 15:53.28 | _0xFFA_ | anyway to fix this? |
| 15:53.35 | rvsjoen | you can also do it with "ip", check out "ip neigh" and "ip neigh help" |
| 15:53.52 | Jyzygzy- | oh |
| 15:53.59 | hoxu | _0xFFA_, what is it stalling at (ssh -v or -vv or -vvv or whatever when connecting)? |
| 15:54.42 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, you use "arp -s" to set the entry you want. |
| 15:54.46 | rvsjoen | as for that tcpdump syntax the protocol keyword needs to be escaped, since arp is also a keyword, "tcpdump ether proto \\arp" |
| 15:54.53 | yitz_ | hoxu: root-tail isn't working for me... I might have a "virtual root window" or soemthing |
| 15:55.17 | hoxu | yitz_, KDE? |
| 15:55.19 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu thank you! |
| 15:55.30 | yitz_ | Gnome |
| 15:55.32 | yitz_ | Ubuntu |
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| 15:56.10 | hoxu | !win yitz_ |
| 15:56.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, yitz_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:56.46 | yitz_ | I don't live in the US... |
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| 15:57.00 | _0xFFA_ | hoxu: Cannot determine realm for numeric host address |
| 15:57.01 | _0xFFA_ | debug1: An invalid name was supplied |
| 15:57.01 | _0xFFA_ | A parameter was malformed |
| 15:57.01 | _0xFFA_ | Validation error |
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| 15:57.01 | jelly | yitz_: you should read the topic, especially the THIS IS NOT #ubuntu part |
| 15:57.14 | hoxu | yitz_, you might want to ask on #ubuntu then, I believe the correct syntax is: "Why does root-tail not for me?!?! HELP ME FUXORS!!!!!!!!!" |
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| 15:57.25 | _0xFFA_ | oops thought 5 lines would be ok :/ |
| 15:57.25 | hoxu | +work |
| 15:57.42 | hoxu | yitz_, anyway, you can have a look at the options, but I guess if it doesn't work it doesn't :P |
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| 15:57.54 | hoxu | !tell _0xFFA_ about paste |
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| 15:58.30 | _0xFFA_ | hoxu: i get it.. |
| 15:58.42 | yitz_ | Well, I'll try it on my Debian box when I get home... I figured if it works on Deb it ought to (usually) be fine with Ubuntu... |
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| 15:59.24 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu i wonder if i need to add a routing table entry for it? |
| 15:59.38 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, what did you try? |
| 16:00.01 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu well i did "arp -s 192.168.0.133 BOXHWADDR |
| 16:00.36 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, I thought you said it was at "192.168.0.1". |
| 16:00.43 | _0xFFA_ | hoxu: so what do i do for "Cannot determine realm for numeric host address " |
| 16:00.52 | Jyzygzy- | hoxu yea it is |
| 16:00.59 | Jyzygzy- | byt my real gateway is there too =D |
| 16:01.15 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: change the ip for one of them? |
| 16:01.22 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, you should read the ARP article at wikipedia for example... set the arp entry for that IP |
| 16:01.48 | Jyzygzy- | well i set it to .1 |
| 16:01.49 | Jyzygzy- | now it works |
| 16:01.55 | hoxu | jelly, he needs to be able to access the box for that, and thinks playing with arp entries is easier than unplugging cables ;) |
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| 16:02.05 | Jyzygzy- | nice that i was able to pull this off ;) |
| 16:02.10 | hoxu | _0xFFA_, I'm afraid you should ask the ssh folks indeed |
| 16:02.20 | Jyzygzy- | i feel proud of myself! |
| 16:02.26 | hoxu | !penixstrike Jyzygzy- |
| 16:02.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Jyzygzy- to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:02.27 | _0xFFA_ | hoxu: ok |
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| 16:03.36 | hoxu | _0xFFA_, or... *gasp* google! ;) |
| 16:04.21 | hoxu | _0xFFA_, or get a diff of your sshd_config against the default one |
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| 16:05.32 | Overand | I have an old debian system I am about to retire, but it has an ABUSRD uptime |
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| 16:05.40 | Overand | so much so that the 'uptime' command has wrapped |
| 16:05.48 | Overand | It's a debian sarge machine, running 2.4.25, heh |
| 16:05.50 | assasukasse | Hi is currently known any bug of gdebi with debian lenny? im on lenny and gdebi fails to install EVERY package |
| 16:05.56 | Overand | How can I figure out what the actual uptime is? |
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| 16:06.41 | jelly | Overand: you can't, you don't know how mahy times has it wrapped |
| 16:06.49 | hoxu | never say never |
| 16:06.52 | cahoot | the date on /proc? |
| 16:07.05 | Overand | 33084312.68 11524669.89 |
| 16:07.10 | hoxu | cahoot, nice. |
| 16:07.10 | Overand | that's /proc/uptime |
| 16:07.15 | hoxu | Overand, ls -lad /proc |
| 16:07.19 | Overand | Oh! |
| 16:07.20 | jelly | Overand: I _think_ it was like 397 days |
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| 16:07.27 | Overand | Jan 29, 2006 |
| 16:07.29 | Overand | Wow. |
| 16:07.42 | henux | for some reason, i don't have man pages for gcc, from which package do i find them? |
| 16:08.05 | Overand | That's 2 years 5 months. Not bad. |
| 16:08.53 | yitz_ | multitail is nice |
| 16:08.55 | hoxu | Overand, yeah, not bad for a system that was rooted 2 years and 1 month ago ;) |
| 16:09.01 | Overand | hoxu: heh |
| 16:09.08 | Overand | It's being retired. |
| 16:09.26 | Overand | Really, I'd only be concerned about kernel level exploits |
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| 16:09.38 | Overand | and nobody who would root the system has shell accts. |
| 16:09.49 | Overand | I'm sure it's *possible* it's been rooted |
| 16:10.10 | jelly | hopefully, that old a kernel would have remote exploits! |
| 16:10.17 | Overand | I'm not sure |
| 16:10.24 | Overand | heck, I'm half tempted to suggest people have-at-it. |
| 16:10.42 | Overand | I just haven't wiped all of my data yet. |
| 16:10.48 | hoxu | yitz_, now figure out a nice way of running it in the root window using a transparent inactive terminal :P |
| 16:11.17 | jelly | alias xconsole="aterm -ut +sb -tr -tint white -T xconsole -geometry 125x10+0-0 -e cat /dev/xconsole" |
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| 16:11.45 | hoxu | Overand, feel free to, just stock some cookies for the winner, it can be an eye-opener for people :p |
| 16:12.43 | jelly | hoxu: if you replace that cat with something that survives -EPIPE when syslogd restarts, I'll give you a virtual cookie |
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| 16:13.30 | hoxu | jelly, just a wild suggestion, but tried "tail -f" or with --retry? |
| 16:13.39 | henux | anybody know where can i download gcc man pages and info? |
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| 16:13.58 | cahoot | manpages-dev? |
| 16:14.16 | jelly | hoxu: yeah. tail + pipes = teh suck |
| 16:14.40 | Overand | man |
| 16:14.40 | henux | cahoot: they are not there |
| 16:14.41 | jelly | actually, it _doesn't_ suck the data when it ought to |
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| 16:15.08 | enouf | henux: the gcc-doc-version are in non-free |
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| 16:16.14 | jewel | enouf, howcome? |
| 16:16.20 | enouf | henux: gcc-doc meta pkg is in contrib, but the others are in non-free |
| 16:16.27 | yitz_ | hoxu: I don't mind it running in a normal terminal too much |
| 16:16.45 | enouf | oh i don't know why .. some conflict between gnu and the dfsg |
| 16:17.07 | hoxu | root-tail does not redraw properly with KDE, if anyone can tell me how to fix that, dpkg will give a free hug :p |
| 16:17.24 | henux | enouf: i dont have root access for this server, i could perhaps send a support request, but do you know if i can just download the man and info somewhere? |
| 16:17.30 | yitz_ | Hugs are too cheap. You need better coin |
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| 16:17.43 | hoxu | !free yitz_ |
| 16:17.43 | dpkg | gives away a free yitz_ with every AOL CD |
| 16:18.37 | enouf | henux: see packages.debian.org, see pkg Descriptions to see if it's what you want - i'm sure gcc docs are online somewhere |
| 16:18.42 | yitz_ | Someone's had too much free time with dpkg... |
| 16:19.07 | henux | enouf: thank you for your advices and time |
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| 16:19.23 | enouf | np |
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| 16:28.48 | rnix | is slapd in debian compiled with --enable-spasswd ? |
| 16:29.22 | chowder | I need help with debootstrap. I used it to make a minimal build of Ubuntu but I can't get X to start, I can't login as a normal user (only root), and I'm having trouble with my wireless driver. Please help. |
| 16:29.39 | chowder | the reason that I'm asking here is cause no one in #Ubuntu replied |
| 16:30.00 | aindilis | What is the name of the current Debian testing distribution? |
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| 16:30.17 | aindilis | or is it always sarge? |
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| 16:30.45 | xavier__ | hi good evening |
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| 16:31.06 | xavier__ | could somebody help me to do NAT with only 1 NIC for 1 IP ? |
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| 16:31.42 | hoxu | chowder, if #ubuntu can't help with ubuntu questions, we can't either |
| 16:31.55 | xavier__ | I need to translate 1 IP to another when passing through an asterisk installed on a Debian machine |
| 16:32.07 | hoxu | !tell aindilis about testing |
| 16:32.11 | chowder | hoxu: but what I'm asking is basically the same for Debian. It's not really that Ubuntu specific. |
| 16:32.23 | chowder | otherwise I wouldn't post in here |
| 16:32.38 | aindilis | thanks |
| 16:33.05 | xavier__ | can somebody help with that ? |
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| 16:33.23 | rnix | another attemp -> is Pass-Through authentication enabled in the apt version of slapd? |
| 16:33.54 | hoxu | rnix, did you check /usr/share/doc/slapd/ ? |
| 16:34.12 | rnix | hoxu: not yet |
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| 16:36.15 | xavier__ | hello ? |
| 16:36.21 | xavier__ | can somebody help with that ? |
| 16:36.42 | xavier__ | I need somebody who knows about IP TABLES |
| 16:37.10 | hoxu | xavier__, repeating that won't help your cause, ask the question, and wait until someone answers, if you get no answers, no one is able to help at the moment, or your question is lacking |
| 16:37.16 | SlayerXP | xavier__: i'm sure there are plenty of linux consultants in your area whom you can hire to help you out |
| 16:37.19 | renginez02 | aircrack anyone? |
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| 16:37.40 | hoxu | !tell renginez02 about popcon |
| 16:38.56 | renginez02 | woah...wats wif this popcon stuff.... |
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| 16:39.39 | rnix | hoxu: nothing specific written there |
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| 16:40.44 | hoxu | rnix, well, you could check the source package then... |
| 16:40.51 | rnix | thx |
| 16:41.45 | JordiGH | renginez02: What about popcon? |
| 16:42.12 | renginez02 | hmm...nvm...its ok...just forget bout it. |
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| 16:47.18 | hellues_ | hey |
| 16:47.32 | hellues_ | i want to install quakeforge |
| 16:47.34 | hellues_ | but |
| 16:47.53 | hellues_ | ask for quakeforge-client and i cant find this package |
| 16:47.57 | hellues_ | what can i do |
| 16:48.06 | hellues_ | i am using debian |
| 16:48.35 | JordiGH | quakeforge? I don't see that on the repos... |
| 16:48.49 | JordiGH | So why are you looking for a package that isn't in Debian? |
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| 16:50.57 | hifi | hellues_: there is no quake client in the repos atm |
| 16:51.11 | hellues_ | but |
| 16:51.20 | hifi | openarena is the closest atm |
| 16:51.23 | hellues_ | there are quakeforge repo |
| 16:51.42 | hifi | ioquake3 is going in the near future |
| 16:51.51 | hifi | and ezquake probably for quakeworld/quake needs |
| 16:51.59 | hellues_ | deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/testing quakeforge/ |
| 16:51.59 | hellues_ | deb http://www.quakeforge.net/packages/debian unstable contrib non-free |
| 16:52.27 | hifi | the quakeforge project is long dead |
| 16:52.44 | simonrvn | s,needs,wants, |
| 16:52.49 | hellues_ | dead |
| 16:52.50 | hellues_ | hmm |
| 16:53.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hmm... For some reason on my old laptop whenever I shutdown -h now it stops on "System Halted".... What can I do about this? I have a very old laptop. |
| 16:53.51 | simonrvn | sounds like it needs apmd or such |
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| 16:54.27 | hellues_ | i cant use different bot model of openarena |
| 16:54.51 | JordiGH | hellues_: Tried Nexuiz, btw? It plays a lot like Q3. |
| 16:55.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | simonrvn: My machine doesn't support apm, I don't think |
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| 16:56.14 | simonrvn | "very old laptop", to me, implies apm and not acpi. |
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| 16:57.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, I see |
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| 16:57.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, it's an 11 year old laptop |
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| 16:58.09 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 16:58.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's a Mitsubishi Pedion :D |
| 16:58.46 | vadmeste | Blast_Hardcheese: it's or it was |
| 16:58.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | It still is |
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| 16:59.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | A laptop's model doesn't change with age |
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| 17:00.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | installs APM |
| 17:01.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, another question: How do I get Xorg to actually use ~/.xinitrc? It seems to completely ignore that file (I launch gkrellm and xterm in there) but they never get launched |
| 17:02.04 | cahoot | make it a symlink to .xsession? |
| 17:02.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is .xsession what replaced .xinitrc? |
| 17:02.59 | valdyn | Blast_Hardcheese: or maybe .xinitrc is only read when you actually run "xinit" |
| 17:03.06 | valdyn | Blast_Hardcheese: .. which no one does |
| 17:03.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | Huh |
| 17:03.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | I see |
| 17:03.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | I wonder how I got that stuck in my head |
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| 17:04.43 | n-ice | hi |
| 17:04.52 | n-iCe | Nyle: here? |
| 17:05.29 | JordiGH | Blast_Hardcheese: Does your laptop have a monochrome screen? |
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| 17:06.38 | n-iCe | what source line do I need to add for download ipw3945d |
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| 17:06.49 | themill | n-iCe: what kernel are you running? uname -r |
| 17:07.05 | bokey | cool distro logo -> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=nepalinux |
| 17:07.11 | bokey | ^_^ |
| 17:07.13 | n-iCe | 2.6.18-6-686 is lenny? |
| 17:07.32 | themill | n-iCe: is that the output of that command or are you working from memory? |
| 17:07.52 | n-iCe | is the output but i supposed did an upgrade |
| 17:07.56 | n-iCe | to etc to lenny |
| 17:08.01 | n-iCe | should I reboot x? |
| 17:08.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | JordiGH: Nope |
| 17:08.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | 16 bit color |
| 17:08.31 | themill | n-iCe: Lenny has the 2.6.24 kernel and you need to reboot to actually start using the new kernel. |
| 17:08.42 | n-iCe | ok |
| 17:08.43 | n-iCe | brb |
| 17:08.48 | themill | n-iCe: under 2.6.24 you need to use the iwl3945 driver not the iwlwifi driver |
| 17:08.51 | JordiGH | Blast_Hardcheese: Blurry lcd? |
| 17:08.59 | themill | n-iCe: erm not the ipw3945 driver |
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| 17:11.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | JordiGH: Not really, no |
| 17:11.24 | ds5 | G-Stream TV. TV for gamers: http://www.warcraftstream.com/gstream.php |
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| 17:12.21 | n-ice | themill: done, that was the problem, thanks |
| 17:12.25 | n-ice | I changed my kernel rebooting |
| 17:12.36 | n-ice | now my wireless work |
| 17:12.44 | themill | good stuff |
| 17:13.18 | n-ice | apt-get search linux-image | grep ^i , will show me my kernel versions? |
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| 17:13.43 | themill | n-ice: no, dpkg -l linux-image* | grep ^i |
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| 17:14.07 | maestro | hello, how can i build a deb package after i extract it with "ar x package.deb" |
| 17:14.16 | n-ice | ok i want to remove the old one themill |
| 17:14.19 | n-ice | will purge work? |
| 17:14.23 | wols_ | !ops please remove ds5 the spammer |
| 17:14.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please remove ds5 the spammer |
| 17:14.29 | wols_ | n-ice: yes |
| 17:14.29 | themill | n-ice: yes |
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| 17:14.45 | themill | !wayttd maestro |
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| 17:14.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, maestro? |
| 17:14.50 | themill | thanks, stew |
| 17:14.55 | n-ice | weird I Have three |
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| 17:15.00 | n-ice | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 17:15.11 | maestro | i want to extract a package and change a shell script under data.tar.gz and build it again |
| 17:15.16 | n-ice | linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 17:15.21 | n-ice | why themill ? |
| 17:15.45 | JordiGH | Blast_Hardcheese: Really? Did we have crisp lcd displays 11 years ago? They feel much more recent than that, somehow. |
| 17:15.53 | maestro | dpkg: any idea? |
| 17:15.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:15.59 | themill | n-ice: linux-image-2.6-686 is a meta-package which helps you keep your kernel upgraded. The 2.6.18 package is from lenny |
| 17:16.18 | n-ice | themill: good, then removing the 2.6.18 will do the trick, right? |
| 17:16.19 | themill | n-ice: gah.. 2.6.18 is from your old etch install before you upgraded |
| 17:16.23 | themill | n-ice: yes |
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| 17:16.31 | vadmeste | maestro: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:16.46 | maestro | vadmeste: uuuuhhhhhhh :) |
| 17:17.15 | n-ice | should I install install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 linux-source-2.6.24, themill if yes, what for? |
| 17:17.18 | themill | vadmeste: you can use dpkg-deb to both extract and rebuild the .deb |
| 17:17.41 | themill | n-iCe: if you want to compile kernel modules you'll need them, otherwise you won't |
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| 17:17.45 | vadmeste | maestro: you see that ? |
| 17:17.53 | n-iCe | themill: is it good to install? |
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| 17:18.00 | themill | gah |
| 17:18.02 | maestro | vadmeste: yes.. i will try that |
| 17:18.05 | themill | maestro: you can use dpkg-deb to both extract and rebuild the .deb |
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| 17:18.13 | n-iCe | themill: gah, nah = no ? :p |
| 17:18.16 | themill | needs a break.... and takes one |
| 17:18.25 | maestro | themill: i will try it now.. |
| 17:18.37 | riz_ | hi guys. I'm trying ssh fab@server "uptime |awk '{print $1}'" but doesn't works (because there is "|" I think) How to do it? |
| 17:18.42 | vadmeste | themill: you did a great job today |
| 17:18.59 | themill | cheers |
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| 17:19.58 | RichiH | stew, wols: klined |
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| 17:20.11 | maestro | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `./DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 17:20.26 | RichiH | stupid |
| 17:20.28 | RichiH | ok |
| 17:20.31 | maestro | themill: how do i get a DEBIAN/control file? |
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| 17:20.39 | abrotman | !tell maestro about source |
| 17:20.51 | RichiH | managed to misname a few hundred Highly Important Files |
| 17:21.04 | maestro | abrotman: ok will get it over source |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | RichiH: man rename |
| 17:21.25 | abrotman | hides |
| 17:21.29 | stew | maestro: when you "ar x package.deb" there are two tarballs, a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz, the control.tar.gz contains the files in DEBIAN |
| 17:21.29 | RichiH | i need to mv foo_bar_baz_sql.gz foo_bar_baz.sql.gz and i need to be _sure_ the result will be correct |
| 17:21.41 | stew | maestro: but it begs the question of what exactly you are trying to do |
| 17:22.01 | RichiH | abrotman: that is the plan, but i want at least one other person to produce the command by themselves so i can compare |
| 17:22.02 | abrotman | RichiH: the rename takes a regex .. s/_sql/.sql/g .. or so ? |
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| 17:22.09 | RichiH | abrotman: i know |
| 17:22.17 | PhorceP | I'm running lenny and seeing a lot of this in my auth.log: pam_env(cron:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | RichiH: don't yell at me .. i'm only 12! |
| 17:22.29 | RichiH | abrotman: it's just that they will roast my balls over a _slow_ fire if i screw up :) |
| 17:22.37 | RichiH | hits abrotman with a shovel |
| 17:22.41 | abrotman | RichiH: slow fire eh? will they marinate first? |
| 17:22.46 | RichiH | yes |
| 17:22.51 | RichiH | they are not barbarians |
| 17:22.53 | RichiH | duh |
| 17:23.10 | maestro | stew: thanks got it.. as i alread described.. i want to change .sh file in a debian package |
| 17:23.15 | RichiH | abrotman: they come with cheese sauce |
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| 17:23.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nice. |
| 17:23.43 | abrotman | RichiH: rename 's/_sql/.sql/' *.gz ? |
| 17:23.47 | stew | !sing richi's nuts roasting on an open fire... |
| 17:23.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | I had to add apm power_off=1 in my /etc/modules, but now it shuts off. |
| 17:24.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | Thanks all :D |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | RichiH: or *_sql.gz more precisely ? |
| 17:24.15 | Bushmills | after that procedure - you have a wildcard for future failure |
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| 17:25.04 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, that is what i would have done, too |
| 17:25.18 | RichiH | i mean, i have been doing a lot more complicated perl regexp all day |
| 17:25.22 | RichiH | but this is important :p |
| 17:25.23 | RichiH | ta |
| 17:27.21 | abrotman | RichiH: what's the worst that happens .. you mess it up and have to do another rename :) |
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| 17:30.15 | RichiH | abrotman: the worst is, i delete all files :p |
| 17:30.23 | abrotman | well .. yes |
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| 17:30.32 | PhorceP | rich: make a backup? |
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| 17:31.27 | RichiH | abrotman: this reminds me that i always wanted to give it a -i option |
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| 17:33.20 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to get svg or/and xml backgrounds on my gnome desktop, and how to do that? |
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| 17:39.25 | comp | hello again, has anyone some clue where ntpdate utility disappeared? |
| 17:39.50 | dutchfish | !ntp |
| 17:39.50 | dpkg | ntp is probably the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:39.53 | JordiGH | It just isn't in lenny right now. |
| 17:40.07 | JordiGH | It's in unstable though. License shuffling. |
| 17:40.10 | comp | JordiGH: ah, that explains it |
| 17:40.18 | Bushmills | comp, lenny? |
| 17:40.24 | comp | right |
| 17:40.26 | dutchfish | i believe ntp is coming in today |
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| 17:40.34 | Bushmills | comp, use chronyc from chrony. |
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| 17:40.47 | comp | I'll check it out, thanks |
| 17:41.05 | JordiGH | Actually, looks like it's shuffled back to lenny, but it wasn't there a couple of days ago. aptitude update |
| 17:41.16 | dutchfish | JordiGH, thats right |
| 17:41.26 | comp | JordiGH: a couple of weeks I would say ... |
| 17:41.34 | maordeb | there's anyway to enable ssh connections in krusader? |
| 17:41.50 | JordiGH | comp: I didn't notice it, since I have both unstable and testing in my sources.list |
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| 17:42.08 | comp | well, anyway, it's there again |
| 17:42.18 | comp | thanks for help |
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| 17:47.19 | Bushmills | is going to install openntpd on one, chrony on another server (and keep ntpd on the remaining servers), for a decent comparison, |
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| 17:48.14 | Bushmills | can't really find a comparitative review of those, seems i have to do that myself |
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| 17:50.25 | abrotman | comparison of what? |
| 17:50.40 | Bushmills | chrony, openntpd, ntpd |
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| 17:52.11 | n-ice | is there any sources.list line, to recieve updates? |
| 17:52.14 | n-ice | for |
| 17:52.37 | beardy | !security |
| 17:52.37 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 17:54.08 | n-ice | !testing security |
| 17:54.09 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 17:55.13 | n-ice | thanks |
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| 17:55.21 | dyek | Anybody knows how well it works if a package depends on the lsb package as the sole dependency? With "apt-get install lsb", I got "lsb: Depends: lsb-core but it is not going to be installed", .... That doesn't seem like user-friendly at all if my package depends on lsb. |
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| 17:56.16 | n-ice | beardy: are ok? http://www.asasas.pastebin.com/m26cae27d |
| 17:56.41 | dutchfish | Bushmills, let me now your findings, i am fiddling with thos emyself atm |
| 17:56.52 | dutchfish | s/thos/those |
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| 17:57.18 | Bushmills | dutchfish: ok, i started with chrony on local machine, before installing it on server. |
| 17:57.23 | dutchfish | Bushmills, the only problem i have in lenny is hwclock and new kernels |
| 17:57.57 | dutchfish | Bushmills, open-ntpd doe snot always play nice on shutdown and multi-core machines |
| 17:58.00 | Bushmills | dutchfish: with an ntp server, you shouldn't need hwclock, as the ntp server updates hwclock periodically |
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| 17:58.24 | Bushmills | dutchfish: that's ok, i intend o run them on 24/7 servers anyway |
| 17:58.32 | stew | dyek: "apt-get install lsb" should work. if it doesn't you have a problem. try to figure out why lsb-core isn't going to be installed. perhaps by trying "apt-get install lsb-core" or show us the output of "apt-cache policy lsb lsb-core" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:59.00 | dutchfish | Bushmills, open-ntpd also seam a bit more bruning cycles then ntp and chrony |
| 17:59.09 | dutchfish | s/bruning/burning |
| 17:59.25 | dutchfish | Bushmills, but its also most acurate |
| 17:59.34 | Bushmills | dutchfish: that;s the kind of things i want to know, and find out |
| 17:59.51 | Bushmills | therefore also concurrent evaluation, all at the same time |
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| 18:00.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, chrony does time leapin gnow and then, i cant find the reason for that |
| 18:00.29 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ntp is most stable |
| 18:00.54 | dutchfish | Bushmills, so far my findings on 32/64 bit lenny |
| 18:00.57 | Bushmills | my ntp servers are under observation anyway, twice even. once monitored by munin, and then also by pool.ntp.org |
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| 18:01.19 | dutchfish | Bushmills, nice |
| 18:01.22 | Bushmills | that should show any time leaps or inaccuracies. |
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| 18:01.37 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i am curieus of your findings |
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| 18:02.09 | Bushmills | munin compares them against each other. so they can have a majority vote, in addition to the uplink servers |
| 18:02.27 | dutchfish | Bushmills, also testing radioclk with german transmitter |
| 18:02.41 | Bushmills | dcf77, i guess |
| 18:02.47 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yes |
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| 18:03.42 | Bushmills | i thought of sacrifying my obsolete gps, but that's be too much trouble to hook it up to one of the co-located servers. |
| 18:03.52 | dutchfish | Bushmills, but so far it does crash in 2.6.26-rc8 |
| 18:03.56 | Bushmills | and running it locally is just no fun |
| 18:04.51 | dutchfish | Bushmills, on 2.6.25.9 it plays ball nicely |
| 18:05.56 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i never made thoughts about gps time |
| 18:06.06 | Bushmills | still 2.6.18, 2.6.22, rest is 2.6.24, on servers |
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| 18:07.38 | Bushmills | dutchfish: problem is that you need signal, which makes it a tad difficult to use indoor. or, in-server. |
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| 18:08.10 | Bushmills | at home you can use an external arial of course, but that's no option for colocated servers :) |
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| 18:10.24 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have it at home, and sync my servers in the datacentre from it |
| 18:10.48 | dutchfish | Bushmills, but its very acurate |
| 18:10.54 | ragadab | please advice how manage my macbook pro cpu and power? i use powernowd and applesmc - but cpu temp about 70 and fan on 6000 rpm even with no cpu activity |
| 18:10.59 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i'll msg you the urls of the accuracy graphs of the pool servers so you can check up discrepancies yourself |
| 18:11.11 | dutchfish | Bushmills, nice |
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| 18:13.09 | dutchfish | Bushmills, what stratum? |
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| 18:13.58 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:14.07 | Bushmills | 2 all of them |
| 18:14.15 | epoxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.16 | Bushmills | mostly |
| 18:14.18 | DexterF | how do I figure which packages a package depends on? |
| 18:14.18 | epoxy | hits himself |
| 18:14.27 | Bushmills | depends what server they pick of course. sometimes 3 |
| 18:14.31 | epoxy | ldd ? |
| 18:14.34 | dutchfish | Bushmills, its much better then mine apart from the 3th graph with a glitch prolly |
| 18:15.15 | valdyn | DexterF: you edit the control file |
| 18:15.21 | dyek | stew: This probably is simple issue, but let me try to understand how it works. Here is my apt-cache output: http://pastebin.com/m6ee4640c. I am not really interpreting any information from there. I will just go ahead a try "apt-get -f install lsb". |
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| 18:15.31 | valdyn | DexterF: but you shouldnt be asking this here before reading the dnm guide |
| 18:15.32 | valdyn | !nm |
| 18:15.33 | dpkg | [nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
| 18:15.50 | valdyn | uh |
| 18:15.57 | dutchfish | Bushmills, excellent job! |
| 18:16.10 | Bushmills | dutchfish: which one? |
| 18:16.12 | DexterF | valdyn: only need the list, few broken packages that need to be reinstalled |
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| 18:16.25 | dutchfish | Bushmills, the first graph |
| 18:16.39 | valdyn | DexterF: so you are trying to fix dependencies by ignoring them, thats stupid |
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| 18:16.57 | Bushmills | ah. has glitches too, coinciding with machines backupping each other |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn | DexterF: ops, i misread |
| 18:17.28 | DexterF | valdyn: no... I got gThumb installed, image viewer, but after I moved the system to a new disk since the old failed due to defunct sectors I need to reinstall them |
| 18:17.36 | valdyn | DexterF: apt-cache depends <packagename> |
| 18:17.44 | DexterF | too easy |
| 18:17.46 | DexterF | thanks |
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| 18:18.11 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i would love to lay my hands on a hardware clock, but they are really expensive |
| 18:18.50 | wols_ | dutchfish: you hve one in your PC |
| 18:19.09 | dutchfish | wols_, i dont mean that ;) |
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| 18:19.23 | wols_ | abut it is a hardware clock |
| 18:19.34 | Bushmills | i guess dutchfish means one which doesn't need periodic resyncing :_ |
| 18:19.42 | PhorceP | I'm running lenny and seeing a lot of this in my auth.log: pam_env(cron:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: No such file or directory |
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| 18:20.07 | Bushmills | or continously adjusting a PLL to keep it on time |
| 18:20.23 | dutchfish | Bushmills, phased lock loop? |
| 18:20.29 | Bushmills | yeah |
| 18:20.41 | dutchfish | Bushmills, in a tmep oven? |
| 18:20.48 | dutchfish | s/tmep/temp |
| 18:20.51 | Bushmills | almost. phase locked loop |
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| 18:21.12 | epoxy | how can i generate another initrd.img on my debian system? ... not from the OS itself. rescue cd? |
| 18:21.15 | dutchfish | Bushmills, nothing beats a PLL in an oven at 40 degrees celsius |
| 18:21.36 | Bushmills | dutchfish: ntpd implements its correction by a software PLL |
| 18:21.44 | dutchfish | Bushmills, seen this: http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/ (my next plan) |
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| 18:22.37 | Bushmills | dutchfish: http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/miniclock.htm |
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| 18:23.11 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have to much trembling fingers to soldier that ;) |
| 18:23.41 | StylusEater | howdy, I'm trying to install the latest kernel from kernel.org ... but it would appear device mapper isn't working when I reboot b/c it can't find the default volume group |
| 18:23.51 | StylusEater | I'm using the latest updated debian etch |
| 18:23.59 | Hinata` | what should I do if "glxinfo | grep direct" give me "bash: glxinfo: command not found"?? |
| 18:24.23 | StylusEater | Hinata`: are you sure you have glxinfo installed? |
| 18:24.29 | Hinata` | no |
| 18:24.42 | Hinata` | I'm trying to install my ati's driver |
| 18:24.51 | Hinata` | that's all I know ^^' |
| 18:24.54 | StylusEater | Hinata`: which glxinfo ... if that fails ... maybe do a find as a privileged user to see if it exists |
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| 18:25.16 | Hinata` | ok ^^ |
| 18:25.20 | StylusEater | Hinata`: there are directions for the ati driver, no? |
| 18:25.48 | enry | anyone know how to get python 2.5 onto etch w/o using testing/unstable? |
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| 18:26.03 | Hinata` | StylusEater: yes but I saw nothing about glxinfo not installed ^^' |
| 18:26.19 | StylusEater | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/build-and-install-the-module-ati-driver-install-382512/ |
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| 18:26.51 | Hinata` | thinks StylusEater ^^ |
| 18:27.01 | StylusEater | Hinata`: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/readme0370.txt |
| 18:27.02 | stew | Hinata`: glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package ; /msg dpkg search |
| 18:27.16 | smhar | greetings |
| 18:27.48 | stew | enry: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 18:27.52 | eject_ck | what package I need install to get mount.reiserfs |
| 18:28.04 | stew | eject_ck: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:28.18 | smhar | I have toshiba satellite A215-S4747 notebook with Atheros wireless chipset. how can I set it up to work in debian testing? |
| 18:28.30 | stew | smhar: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 18:28.39 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to get svg or/and xml backgrounds on my gnome desktop, and how to do that? |
| 18:28.54 | smhar | thanks stew |
| 18:29.07 | stew | dyek: you should be asking in #ubuntu for help with ubuntu, not here |
| 18:29.45 | eject_ck | stew, can give more info ? |
| 18:30.13 | wols_ | eject_ck: packages.debian.org |
| 18:30.37 | stew | dpkg: tell eject_ck about apt-file |
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| 18:31.01 | stew | eject_ck: the bot named dpkg should have given you information about how you can answer questiong in the form of "what package provides this file" yourself |
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| 18:31.14 | enry | stew: the thing is if i install python2.5, a lot of other packages start complaining... they want 2.4 |
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| 18:31.22 | enry | stew: err that is if i install 2.5 and remove 2.4 |
| 18:31.23 | StylusEater | eject_ck: most likely need support for the filesystem in your running kernel before you can mount it with mount -t reiserfs .... |
| 18:31.33 | stew | enry: then don't remove 2.4 |
| 18:31.44 | StylusEater | anybody have a pointer on my device mapper issue? |
| 18:31.47 | enry | stew: how do i make sure everything uses 2.5 though? |
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| 18:31.59 | stew | enry: it won't |
| 18:32.38 | stew | enry: if you have particular scripts that need to use python2.5, then change the shebang in those scripts from #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 18:33.34 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to resize an LVM partition? |
| 18:34.01 | cherwin | SerajewelKS, There is no such thing as a LVM partition |
| 18:35.02 | StylusEater | SerajewelKS: it's possible to resize a logical volume |
| 18:35.04 | stew | cherwin: sure there is |
| 18:35.08 | SerajewelKS | cherwin: yes there is |
| 18:35.18 | stew | cherwin: type 8e |
| 18:35.24 | SerajewelKS | StylusEater: i know, i'm referring to a partition that is one of the "physical volumes" |
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| 18:35.28 | cyzie | !testing |
| 18:35.28 | StylusEater | SerajewelKS: maybe adjust the size of the volume group |
| 18:35.28 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target> |
| 18:35.37 | stew | cyzie: please /msg the bot |
| 18:35.39 | SerajewelKS | StylusEater: not the same thing |
| 18:35.53 | cherwin | SerajewelKS, You mean physical volume yes. |
| 18:35.54 | StylusEater | Serajewelks: so the LVM parition you create for your physical volume? |
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| 18:36.06 | cyzie | ok |
| 18:36.23 | StylusEater | pvresize ? |
| 18:36.23 | stew | SerajewelKS: man pvresize? |
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| 18:36.40 | StylusEater | stew: jinx |
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| 18:36.44 | StylusEater | :-) |
| 18:37.20 | SerajewelKS | stew: yeah i think that's what i need |
| 18:37.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: i want to move a partition down and expand it |
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| 18:37.49 | SerajewelKS | stew: and i don't think gparted knows what an lvm partition is enough to do that non-destructively |
| 18:37.57 | stew | mumbles something about backups |
| 18:38.01 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 18:38.09 | alperbaba | which download manager you recomend for debian |
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| 18:38.23 | stew | screen + wget :) |
| 18:38.32 | SerajewelKS | stew: aww beat me to it :( |
| 18:38.32 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: isn't the point of LVM that you should be able to resize and move it? |
| 18:38.55 | SerajewelKS | wols_: it provides that flexibility for logical volumes, yes |
| 18:38.56 | eject_ck | thanks! |
| 18:39.05 | SerajewelKS | wols_: it's a bit more complicated for physical ones |
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| 18:43.50 | soulchild | hi all |
| 18:44.13 | soulchild | what decryption is used to save my debian passwort in /etc/shadow ??? |
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| 18:44.40 | wols_ | soulchild: man crypt. but usually it's md5 nowadays. and there is no "decryption". it's just a salted hash |
| 18:44.47 | wols_ | :( |
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| 18:45.03 | soulchild | did someone answer, i couldn't read, if so |
| 18:45.09 | grimrider | i was wondering if somebody could tell me to install etch, sarge, or sid |
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| 18:45.17 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: passwords are not decrypted |
| 18:45.19 | Spec | grimrider: heya |
| 18:45.23 | Spec | grimrider: install etch. |
| 18:45.25 | soulchild | encrypted |
| 18:45.26 | grimrider | spec: hello |
| 18:45.27 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: they are stored as a one-way salted hash |
| 18:45.36 | grimrider | spec: what is the difference |
| 18:45.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you just need to shrink the partition after or grow it before the pv |
| 18:45.47 | soulchild | SerajewelKS: I mean what decryption is used |
| 18:45.49 | Spec | grimrider: you didn't ask what the difference was, you asked for someone to tell you which one to use |
| 18:45.57 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: none |
| 18:45.58 | Spec | soulchild: passwords aren't decypted |
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| 18:46.04 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: they are never decrypted |
| 18:46.06 | grimrider | spec: lol i no but im curious now |
| 18:46.06 | Spec | soulchild: the 'entered' password is encrypted, and the results are compared |
| 18:46.08 | stew | grimrider: sarge is no longer supported. etch is the current stable release of debian. if you have to ask the question you should not be installing sid |
| 18:46.16 | infinitycircuit | grimrider: what do you need? do you need something you can show to a board of executives? do you need the latest packages? |
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| 18:46.17 | Spec | grimrider: sid is unstable, don't use it. sarge is old, etch is current. |
| 18:46.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well if i grow the partition before the PV, i need to move the data down to the beginning, right? |
| 18:46.45 | soulchild | My question is: what decryption is used to save the passwort in the /etc/shadow file ... |
| 18:46.48 | grimrider | spec: see i was under the impression that sid was unstable, sarge was for testing, and etch was stable |
| 18:46.50 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: none |
| 18:46.53 | soulchild | *de=en |
| 18:46.57 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: do you mean encryption? |
| 18:46.59 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no, why? |
| 18:47.03 | infinitycircuit | grimrider: testing = lenny |
| 18:47.04 | soulchild | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 18:47.04 | Spec | salt 'n hash |
| 18:47.19 | Spec | grimrider: testing is for testing ;), sarge is oldstable, etch is stable |
| 18:47.22 | infinitycircuit | sarge is oldstable |
| 18:47.27 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: you mean if my partition goes from cylinders 5-10 now and i change it to be 3-10 i don't need to align the data? lvm will know what happened? |
| 18:47.41 | SerajewelKS | soulchild: it's a salted md5 hash |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: thats not growing, thats moving |
| 18:47.53 | grimrider | infinitycercuit: im using ubuntu right now and i want to go to debian. i guess what im looking for is which ever is most like ubuntu |
| 18:47.54 | Spec | SerajewelKS: now i'm hungry ;( |
| 18:48.02 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you just need to move the _whole_ partition then |
| 18:48.04 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: right, move then grow |
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| 18:48.14 | Spec | grimrider: uhh, etch is stable, and will be most usable. |
| 18:48.24 | infinitycircuit | grimrider: none really. ubuntu operates under a different release cycle so its hard to compare |
| 18:48.24 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: guess i wasn't clear about that, sorry |
| 18:48.28 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: in the move case theres nothing to consider for lvm, just move the whole partition |
| 18:48.42 | amphi | grimrider: you'll probably want the testing branch |
| 18:48.43 | infinitycircuit | grimrider: by the way you can use tab-completion on irc |
| 18:48.44 | infinitycircuit | for names |
| 18:48.45 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nod, that is what i thought. so move, resize partition, and run pvresize. |
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| 18:49.10 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: right, for growing |
| 18:49.21 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: question is though what the benefit of that is supposed to be |
| 18:49.34 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its just wasted time, adding another pv is easier |
| 18:49.40 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i don't know, is there much overhead to just allocate the space before it as a new pv? |
| 18:49.48 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no |
| 18:49.56 | SerajewelKS | might just do that then |
| 18:50.27 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: taken to the extreme that encourages fragmentation but its not really an issue |
| 18:50.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: because you can hardly take that to the extreme.. |
| 18:50.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well i assume lvm has some kind of "rearrange extent mapping" process... |
| 18:51.03 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no |
| 18:51.10 | SerajewelKS | now i need to shrink my / by 100gb... that should be fun |
| 18:51.14 | DexterF | so how can a non-coder contribute to making lenny release sooner? install, use, report as many bugs as can? |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | DexterF: no |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | DexterF: fix bugs |
| 18:51.45 | SerajewelKS | i allocated 139gb to it before i moved /home off to another partition so now i have 10gb of system shit sitting in a 130gb container |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | DexterF: reported bugs just slow down the release |
| 18:51.48 | SerajewelKS | 140gb* container |
| 18:51.52 | valdyn | DexterF: but they increase release quality |
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| 18:52.08 | DexterF | hmm.. killer lenny in 2011.. ah well, ok :) |
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| 18:52.44 | SerajewelKS | what would be a good livecd to use to resize my / if i need 2.6.24 at the earliest for my SATA controller? |
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| 18:53.32 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: why would you need a livecd to grow it? |
| 18:53.38 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no, shrink |
| 18:53.41 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: report bugs, go through reported bugs and replicate them, reduce replication size |
| 18:53.53 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: generate backtraces for crash bugs where backtraces don't exist, etc. |
| 18:53.57 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i have 10gb sitting in a 140gb partition, because my /home used to be in that partition too |
| 18:53.57 | DexterF | "replication size"? |
| 18:54.09 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so i want to reduce it by 100-110gb |
| 18:54.14 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: the number of steps it takes to replicate a bug/time to replicate |
| 18:54.30 | DexterF | SerajewelKS: just checking: you got backups, right? |
| 18:54.37 | dondelelcaro | (it's much easier to find a problem that you can replicate in one step, than a problem you can replicate in 20 that takes 3 hours to manifest) |
| 18:54.45 | DexterF | dondelelcaro: i see, ok |
| 18:54.50 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: i'm not worried about my /, there is no important data there anymore |
| 18:54.58 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: just debian packages |
| 18:54.58 | DexterF | what's new. |
| 18:56.20 | DexterF | dang, something is really screwed up here... when I launch gimp from a terminal it uses a different theme than when I launch it from KMenu |
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| 19:01.10 | Lyma | hi ppl! where can i get a howto about IRQ config on debian? |
| 19:01.21 | SerajewelKS | why would lsof report nothing open on a volume, but umount still claim it is busy? |
| 19:01.37 | halflife08 | Lyma: cat /proc/irq |
| 19:01.45 | SerajewelKS | ah oopes, nm, had a volume mounted inside that one |
| 19:01.47 | stew | SerajewelKS: try "fuser -m /mountpont" |
| 19:01.48 | SerajewelKS | opps* |
| 19:01.53 | SerajewelKS | gives up on spelling |
| 19:02.14 | SerajewelKS | stew: i had /home/chris/music mounted inside /home, that was the issue |
| 19:02.14 | Lyma | halflife08: i need setup a pci E1 card to a specific IRQ... |
| 19:02.21 | SerajewelKS | stew: should have been a duh |
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| 19:02.55 | wols_ | Lyma: can you change irq routing in BIOS? |
| 19:03.14 | wols_ | Lyma: there is nothing to config in debian |
| 19:03.32 | Lyma | wols_: in the HP proliant server BIOS i cant change irq to edge :( |
| 19:03.45 | wols_ | SOL |
| 19:03.55 | wols_ | put the cards in another slot |
| 19:03.56 | SerajewelKS | all this tinkering with volumes is probably good practice though |
| 19:04.21 | Lyma | wols_: tested... nothing |
| 19:04.34 | Lyma | i need a non shared irq |
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| 19:04.50 | minus__ | anyone has experience with Verlihub? I need some help :/ |
| 19:05.01 | wols_ | !tell minus__ about anyone |
| 19:05.23 | minus__ | wols_$> ^^ Well, then I'll do that. |
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| 19:06.50 | minus__ | I'm on the same network as my DC++ hub that is running Verlihub. Since I'm inside the same network, it shouts at me that my external IP is wrong since my "real" ip is 192.168.1.200. |
| 19:07.01 | minus__ | So I can't enable manual port forwarding |
| 19:07.11 | minus__ | Cause for that, u need the external IP |
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| 19:07.59 | Ergo^ | hello did anyone here had any experience with pure ftpd ? |
| 19:08.09 | stew | Ergo^: many people, just ask your real question |
| 19:09.27 | Ergo^ | ive created varous files in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf - yet when i restart server none of them apprears working, ie i cant shutdown unix authentication/cant enable virtual users etc. do i need to run some another command ? |
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| 19:09.37 | ampex | anyone know if I expand a logical volume but not the filesystem underneath, can I later reduce the logical volume by that same amount without issue? |
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| 19:10.34 | stew | Ergo^: what is an example of a file you created? |
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| 19:12.36 | Ergo^ | stew: Starting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-virtualchroot -l puredb:/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.pdb -A -u 2 -E -B - this is what i see after restart, so the files are read, but it seems they do not make any effect :/ |
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| 19:13.44 | Ergo^ | : /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/UnixAuthentication - holds no - yet i can only login via unix user creditals |
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| 19:15.16 | porncake | whats a good ftp daemon to just install so ppl login to their homedir? |
| 19:15.29 | SerajewelKS | porncake: vsftpd is pretty good |
| 19:15.38 | Ergo^ | porncake: pure-ftpd is powerful |
| 19:15.48 | porncake | i just need basic |
| 19:15.52 | porncake | so people log in with their ssh info |
| 19:15.55 | porncake | and go into their home dir |
| 19:15.56 | PhorceP | I've used pure-ftpd for that before |
| 19:15.58 | porncake | dont need anything more |
| 19:16.08 | SerajewelKS | porncake: afaik vsftpd does that out-of-the-box |
| 19:16.14 | porncake | ok thanks |
| 19:16.19 | Ergo^ | stew: any hints what may be my problem ? |
| 19:16.25 | SerajewelKS | porncake: but configuring it is damn easy anyway, just install it and vi /etc/vsftpd.conf and read the comments |
| 19:16.41 | SerajewelKS | porncake: i don't think people will have write access by default, you have to turn that on in the config |
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| 19:16.49 | SerajewelKS | porncake: just poke around in there for a bit |
| 19:17.08 | porncake | hrmz out of the box vsftpd does anyonous login :0 |
| 19:17.12 | porncake | but i'll edit the conf now |
| 19:17.13 | porncake | thx hehe |
| 19:17.21 | SerajewelKS | yeah been a while since i've set it up |
| 19:17.26 | SerajewelKS | but i know you can turn that on pretty easily |
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| 19:19.56 | Ergo^ | about my pure ftp-d problem, maybe it will be a hint , that doing /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop, doesnt appear to stop my daemon at all :/ |
| 19:20.38 | stew | Ergo^: what does "grep STANDALONE_OR_INETD /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common" return? |
| 19:20.39 | vadmeste | Ergo^, what's the error message ? |
| 19:20.53 | stew | i don't gether there is an error message |
| 19:21.07 | Ergo^ | yeah, no error, it say its stopped, but it ising |
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| 19:21.28 | Ergo^ | STANDALONE_OR_INETD=standalone |
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| 19:22.57 | vadmeste | Problem : I cannot connect to /dev/rfcomm0 with gnome-ppp |
| 19:23.06 | vadmeste | Ouput : Permission Denied |
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| 19:24.03 | stew | vadmeste: what does "ls -l /dev/rfcomm0" return? |
| 19:24.06 | vadmeste | ls -la /dev/rfcomm -> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 216, 0 2008-06-27 21:07 /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 19:24.14 | SerajewelKS | what's the advantage to having less inodes on a filesystem that will be used to store a few large files? is performance better or something? |
| 19:24.18 | stew | vadmeste: is your user in the dialout group? |
| 19:24.27 | vadmeste | yes |
| 19:24.30 | stew | SerajewelKS: less wasted space |
| 19:24.38 | rahul | less space wasted in the inode region of the disk |
| 19:24.46 | vadmeste | stew, I typed "adduser vadmeste dialout" |
| 19:24.56 | rahul | s/inode region/metadata region/ |
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| 19:25.01 | stew | vadmeste: when you type "groups" is dialout listed? |
| 19:25.03 | vadmeste | stew, this should be sufficient afaik |
| 19:25.06 | rahul | it's preallocated as a fixed amount of space |
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| 19:25.19 | stew | vadmeste: you'd need to logout and log back in to get the new privileges |
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| 19:27.47 | SerajewelKS | stew: is there any way to see what the difference in available space would be? |
| 19:27.57 | SerajewelKS | stew: mkfs tells me the same amount of blocks either way |
| 19:28.09 | Ergo^ | stew: it appears that i have commented the line for pureftpd in inetd.conf, is there an easy way to reconfigure the daemon ? |
| 19:29.24 | stew | Ergo^: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common |
| 19:30.00 | stew | SerajewelKS: the size of an inode is fixed. so it should be easy to determine if one knows what that size is, but i don't know off the top of my head |
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| 19:30.11 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro |
| 19:30.13 | Saz|Laptop | are you around? |
| 19:30.40 | stew | Saz|Laptop: are you sure that don is the only one that can help you with whatever it is you need help with? |
| 19:30.41 | Saz|Laptop | I've got some more info on that oom-killer issue i was having yesterday |
| 19:31.01 | gopaala | how to make java run in etch? |
| 19:31.03 | Saz|Laptop | stew, I talked with him yesterday, he knows my issue, but i'll go on anyway |
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| 19:31.20 | Saz|Laptop | Im haiving issues with oom-killer going through some endless loop on my server |
| 19:31.23 | mrfree | hi all |
| 19:31.26 | stew | gopaala: what are you trying to run exactly? |
| 19:31.26 | Saz|Laptop | i can only access it through serial console |
| 19:31.37 | Saz|Laptop | and when I do, these messages come up: http://pastebin.org/46594 |
| 19:32.02 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: just ask your question; I can't remember everything |
| 19:32.09 | mrfree | I moved my hdd and now root partition changed from hdb1 to hda1, I changed menu.lst and fstab accordingly but it doesn't work |
| 19:32.10 | SerajewelKS | stew: is the difference likely to be very large? |
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| 19:32.26 | Scurz | hi |
| 19:32.41 | Scurz | does someone have any idea to fix this http://www.pastepine.com/132 ? |
| 19:33.14 | gopaala | stew: lets say a javawebstart application. if i use the selfextracting file from java.com the application will take ages :( |
| 19:33.20 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, that's it oom-killer is going through an endless loop |
| 19:33.30 | Saz|Laptop | and I can't access anything except through sercon |
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| 19:34.24 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: that's actually not the oom-killer |
| 19:34.29 | stew | gopaala: you can install sun-java5-bin or sun-java6-bin from non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 19:35.24 | gopaala | stew: thats cool. i understand that and will try that |
| 19:35.29 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, what is it, then? |
| 19:35.36 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: that's it being unable to allocate memory, and failing because of that. |
| 19:35.54 | gopaala | however, can you tell me why the java.com bin takes ages to run an application? |
| 19:36.53 | Ergo^ | stew: ok i solved my problem, it was kind of strange tho, i had to kill the server manually, then restart worked fine |
| 19:36.54 | Scurz | no idea? |
| 19:37.05 | Ergo^ | i dont understand why i had to do it tho :/ |
| 19:37.36 | Bushmills | Scurz: i think more people would look at what you pasted there if you'd tell what the problem is |
| 19:37.54 | Scurz | Bushmills: look http://www.pastepine.com/132 |
| 19:37.54 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: so it will fail all of the time until more memory is freed. I'm not sure why the OOM killer isn't being activated. You might try upgrading to 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 to see if that helps your problem |
| 19:38.01 | Scurz | Bushmills: and you'll understand |
| 19:38.08 | Bushmills | Scurz: i for one didn't look at that, because i didn't want to hunt down what your problem is by opening web pages |
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| 19:38.33 | Scurz | Bushmills: as you want |
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| 19:39.03 | Scurz | the problem is just than I cannot use smartcl with a hard disk |
| 19:39.21 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: alternatively, if you've set /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to something non-zero, then what you're seeing is to be expected. |
| 19:39.36 | Bushmills | not all hard disks have S.M.A.R.T support, you're aware of that, no doubt |
| 19:39.47 | Scurz | and I get "Smartctl: SMART Enable Attribute Autosave Failed" when I do smartctl --smart=on --saveauto=on /dev/sda -d ata |
| 19:40.10 | Scurz | Bushmills: I know |
| 19:40.32 | Scurz | Bushmills: but can't I add the hard disk to the smart data base ? |
| 19:41.45 | Bushmills | if the device has no support for SMART, or lacking support for specific features, i'm afraid it doesn't matter where you add it to. whether that's a device problem or not i can't tell your from what you pasted. |
| 19:41.47 | _Brandon_ | hi, I've a strange problem on my old computer, yesterday I've update it after a long time(it uses sid) after rebooting it says that tha filesystem(ext3) is corrupted, after checking it reboots and again errors and recheck, I've tried with suse and knoppix livecd to mount the filesystem and check it and I had no problem just with debian |
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| 19:42.16 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, are you sure oom-killer isnt being activated? |
| 19:42.17 | Saz|Laptop | http://pastebin.org/46596 |
| 19:42.19 | Saz|Laptop | see like 113 |
| 19:42.20 | Saz|Laptop | *line |
| 19:43.18 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: hrm... it could be; I don't know the detailed internals of the 2.6.18 VM (or even the modern VM) |
| 19:43.19 | Scurz | Bushmills: therefore, there is no solution, right? |
| 19:43.29 | dondelelcaro | (I only know the vague external bits) |
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| 19:43.51 | Bushmills | Scurz: does smartctl -c show autosave as one of the drive's capabilities? |
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| 19:45.32 | Scurz | Bushmills: it doesn't |
| 19:45.35 | Bushmills | maybe mentioning st like auto save timer? |
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| 19:45.51 | Scurz | Bushmills: but smartctl -c /dev/sda show nothing |
| 19:46.11 | Scurz | +s |
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| 19:46.38 | chabal | hi, i have the firmware for my bcm wireless card how do i manually install the firmware? |
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| 19:47.13 | Bushmills | hmm. sounds like the drive is not SMART capable. a SMART supporting drive could look like this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214595983009529822.png |
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| 19:47.48 | Scurz | Bushmills: hmm, okay :( |
| 19:47.59 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, so what do you reccomend? Update the kernel? |
| 19:48.18 | _Brandon_ | Scurz: have you tried if hddtemp works with that drive? |
| 19:48.23 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, because that was actually the reccomendation last time |
| 19:48.30 | Saz|Laptop | i was running an oldstable kernel |
| 19:48.48 | Scurz | _Brandon_: it doesn;t |
| 19:48.50 | Scurz | doesn't* |
| 19:48.52 | Bushmills | Scurz: you could try to specify device type, with -d |
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| 19:49.00 | Scurz | Bushmills: already tried |
| 19:49.11 | Scurz | oh |
| 19:49.17 | Scurz | I didn't try with the -c option |
| 19:49.34 | Scurz | http://pastebin.fr/2022 |
| 19:50.22 | Bushmills | "Supports SMART auto save timer." i think that's a good sign |
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| 19:50.27 | Scurz | oh, strang, now, I can do "smartctl --test=long /dev/sda -d ata" withoung getting any error message |
| 19:50.32 | Scurz | +e |
| 19:50.43 | Scurz | Bushmills: yes |
| 19:52.17 | Scurz | I don't see information about the use of hddtemp like with "smartcl -d ata" |
| 19:52.23 | Scurz | (in the man page) |
| 19:53.14 | Scurz | hddtemp SATA:/dev/sda maybe |
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| 19:53.24 | Bushmills | Scurz: here are two drives, one supporting, the other not supporting autosave: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214596327337074266.png |
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| 19:53.59 | Bushmills | the one which doesn't support autosave gives a different messages than yours |
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| 19:54.35 | Scurz | yes :/ |
| 19:54.37 | Bushmills | may be due to that drive not supporting smart at all, contrary to yours |
| 19:55.19 | Scurz | so, I ran a smartcl and will see if that works or doesn't |
| 19:55.41 | wols_ | Scurz: how is the drive connected? |
| 19:55.50 | Scurz | wols_: it's a sata disk |
| 19:56.04 | wols_ | then it has SMART |
| 19:56.06 | Scurz | I added the -d ata option to the smartcl command |
| 19:56.08 | wols_ | unless connected via USB |
| 19:57.21 | Scurz | but why can I run "smartctl --test=long /dev/sda -d ata" but I can't run "hddtemp /de/sda" ? |
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| 20:00.16 | mrfree | how can I change root partion info used to update menu.lst for example during a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-1-686? |
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| 20:02.19 | wols_ | mrfree: # groot |
| 20:02.36 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows if there is a way to recover the original name of the files in lost+found? |
| 20:02.48 | mrfree | wols_: where? |
| 20:02.49 | Cobi | What package are the rt* kernel modules in? |
| 20:02.57 | wols_ | mrfree: menu.lst |
| 20:03.03 | wols_ | !tell Cobi about search |
| 20:03.17 | mrfree | wols_: I haven't any uncommented groot actually |
| 20:03.36 | wols_ | mrfree: and you shouldn't. please read all the comments in the file |
| 20:03.38 | chabal | help please:( |
| 20:03.48 | wols_ | !fix chabal |
| 20:03.49 | dpkg | takes chabal to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 20:04.26 | chabal | didnt work |
| 20:04.31 | Cobi | wols_: I don't have a full repo right now, because I need the rt* modules for my internet. Right now, I am downloading individual .debs and copying them over using a usb stick. |
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| 20:04.54 | wols_ | Cobi: please read the factoid more carefully |
| 20:04.56 | mrfree | wols_ ok thz |
| 20:05.00 | wols_ | !tell Cobi about apt-zip |
| 20:05.30 | chabal | lol |
| 20:05.56 | Bushmills | !tell chabal about help |
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| 20:06.23 | wols_ | Bushmills: not sure if you actually intended to send this factoid |
| 20:06.43 | Bushmills | wols, i did. all - well, a lot - one wants to know about debian |
| 20:07.01 | chabal | you are guys are very helpful |
| 20:07.07 | chabal | goes back to windows |
| 20:07.09 | chabal | bye |
| 20:07.15 | Bushmills | yes, chabal, we do the best we can |
| 20:07.23 | wols_ | Bushmills: please read the factoid you sent |
| 20:07.50 | Bushmills | wols_: "...  or http://www.debian.org/intro/about" |
| 20:08.09 | wols_ | 22:06 <dpkg> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" |
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| 20:08.22 | wols_ | that is the first line I get from dpg about help. and lots more how to use dpkg |
| 20:08.25 | stew | wols_: /msg dpkg tell me about help |
| 20:08.27 | wols_ | nothing at all about debian |
| 20:08.52 | stew | wols_: not except http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 20:09.06 | Bushmills | wols_: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214597320430989571.png |
| 20:09.12 | Bushmills | that;s that dpkg tells me |
| 20:09.51 | wols_ | stew: so why do I get something different when I do /msg dpkg help. same "help" factoid, as !tell foo about help |
| 20:10.02 | jelly-home | !literal help |
| 20:10.02 | dpkg | "help" is "<reply> enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about" |
| 20:10.32 | stew | wols_: becuase /msg dpkg help runs the bot's "help" command. "tell ___ about help" sends ___ the help factoid |
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| 20:10.36 | wols_ | http://paste.debian.net/8343/ |
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| 20:10.59 | stoned | hello there |
| 20:11.19 | Bushmills | !tell wols_about help |
| 20:11.21 | jelly-home | stew: none of those were helpful in getting someone's wireless to work |
| 20:11.27 | stew | no |
| 20:11.32 | jelly-home | -1 for #debian |
| 20:11.32 | stew | jelly-home: i agree |
| 20:11.41 | Bushmills | !tell wols_ about help |
| 20:11.46 | stoned | i can't find anything in aptitude, but does anyone know of a bar code generator/printer in debian? |
| 20:12.12 | stoned | hopefully something that can read a csv file, and generate barcodes from those UPC in the certain feild? |
| 20:12.34 | wols_ | apt-cache search barcode |
| 20:12.40 | Bushmills | barcode - Utility and library for barcode generation |
| 20:12.45 | wols_ | and there is a fairly nice kde app I think for it |
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| 20:12.57 | jelly-home | !info kbarcode |
| 20:13.20 | stoned | well I meant with the functionality i require |
| 20:13.26 | dpkg | kbarcode: (barcode and label printing application for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2068 kB |
| 20:13.30 | stoned | something that can integrate with database |
| 20:13.32 | wols_ | have you checked this? |
| 20:13.40 | stoned | no I will |
| 20:13.41 | stoned | thanks |
| 20:13.57 | Saz|Laptop | alright, so does anyone have a doc i can read so I can update to the latest kernel (2.6.25) on etch |
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| 20:14.08 | stoned | I don't want to have to code something for this thats all, though libs would be fine but maybe i can charge extra for coding a little app |
| 20:14.11 | stoned | hmm thats an idea |
| 20:14.14 | Bushmills | wols_: i think the difference is: command help vs. factoid help |
| 20:14.17 | stoned | ok thanks i'll look into it |
| 20:14.29 | Saz|Laptop | do i have to backport linux-source-2.6.25 from sid? |
| 20:14.52 | stoned | oh |
| 20:14.55 | stoned | no fucking way |
| 20:14.55 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: you can just use upstream tarball and kernel-package |
| 20:14.58 | wols_ | Saz|Laptop: check backports |
| 20:15.00 | stoned | I searched for 'batcode' |
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| 20:15.01 | stoned | haha |
| 20:15.02 | stoned | :( |
| 20:15.12 | jelly-home | stoned: you need to lay off that stuff |
| 20:15.23 | Saz|Laptop | ok |
| 20:15.27 | stoned | i haven't toked since march 12th 2008 |
| 20:15.31 | Bushmills | stoned: those are different, made from wires in air, not from ink on stickers |
| 20:15.34 | Saz|Laptop | so now who do i listen to, wols_ or jelly-home |
| 20:15.46 | jelly-home | stoned: I guess it's permanent damage then :-) |
| 20:15.50 | stoned | haha |
| 20:15.56 | stoned | jelly-home: a-hole ;) |
| 20:16.02 | jelly-home | that's me. |
| 20:16.10 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: you can listen to both. |
| 20:16.16 | Bushmills | Saz|Laptop: depends on how stress tolerant you are |
| 20:16.31 | wols_ | and how much work you want to do |
| 20:17.33 | jelly-home | "/msg dpkg kp-mantra" isn't _that_ complex. The trick is to start with a decent .config in the first place |
| 20:17.42 | Saz|Laptop | well, how does "as little as possible" sound |
| 20:17.46 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:18.02 | stoned | I need to transfer mssql db to mysql |
| 20:18.08 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:18.10 | Clown | !backport |
| 20:18.11 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 20:18.24 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: pay me 10EUR and I'll build it for you |
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| 20:18.30 | stoned | just 10? |
| 20:18.34 | stoned | you work cheap. |
| 20:18.41 | jelly-home | stoned: it's 5 min. work |
| 20:18.45 | stoned | man |
| 20:18.53 | stoned | you know how much people in new york charge for the littlest shit |
| 20:18.55 | Saz|Laptop | well, how does "as little as possible without spending money" sound |
| 20:18.57 | stoned | you'd be amazed |
| 20:19.06 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: TANSTAAFL |
| 20:19.52 | jelly-home | stoned: I'm not in NYC |
| 20:20.03 | Cobi | wols_: The packages the bot references when I use /msg dpkg find rt2500 (admin/linux-image-2.6.25-2-686) doesn't even exist ... http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 20:20.03 | wols_ | Saz|Laptop: backports |
| 20:20.04 | Saz|Laptop | thanks for the new acronym |
| 20:20.23 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: you mean TINSTAAFL |
| 20:20.29 | wols_ | Cobi: I don't follow |
| 20:20.37 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: "ain't" |
| 20:20.38 | wols_ | what as rt2500 sources to do with kernel? |
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| 20:20.54 | Cobi | wols_: The bot told me it was in the kernel image package. |
| 20:20.59 | Cobi | That specific one. |
| 20:21.14 | Cobi | (It isn't in my kernel image package) |
| 20:21.14 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: er. miscompletion |
| 20:21.16 | wols_ | !tell Cobi about rt2500 |
| 20:21.35 | wols_ | !tell Cobi about ralink |
| 20:21.37 | Cobi | So, I looked for that package on packages.debian.org and it doesn't exisst. |
| 20:21.43 | wols_ | Cobi: it does |
| 20:21.48 | wols_ | Cobi: sid |
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| 20:23.51 | stoned | stew: ping |
| 20:24.04 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: if you already have a custom .config, building a package from upstream source is easy. If you have Debian's .config, it's almost as esay but a lot slower ;-) |
| 20:24.07 | Cobi | Ugh ... but I run etch. Anyway, where do I download the kernel module? The factoid says to use module-assistant, which I would assume downloads it, which I can't do because I have no Internet right now until I get that module. |
| 20:24.26 | Saz|Laptop | well, it looks like 2.6.24 is what's on backports |
| 20:24.28 | wols_ | !tell Cobi about search |
| 20:24.31 | Saz|Laptop | which is close enough |
| 20:25.02 | stew | stoned: ? |
| 20:25.18 | Bushmills | Cobi: try rt2500usb or rt2500pci |
| 20:25.19 | stoned | stew: msg please |
| 20:25.21 | stoned | :) |
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| 20:29.26 | stoned | stew: thanks. |
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| 20:30.27 | atog | is there anyway to use make-kpkg without polluting my local kernel git repository? |
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| 20:34.20 | dondelelcaro | atog: the only changes should be in the debian directory, unless you apply specific patches. |
| 20:34.28 | dondelelcaro | atog: but if you're woried about it, just build in a copy. |
| 20:36.19 | SerajewelKS | resize2fs doesn't create any new inodes, does it? |
| 20:37.03 | atog | dondelelcaro: I've noticed that it modifies things outside of just the debian directory and the debian directory isn't even in the .gitignore |
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| 20:39.09 | dondelelcaro | atog: it should create build detrius, and has to modify .config, but that should be it. |
| 20:39.25 | dondelelcaro | atog: debian isn't it .gitignore because that's a Debian specific thing; the kernel has no need to know about it. |
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| 20:40.17 | stew | there is always 'git reset' after a build or 'git clone' in a new directory before a build |
| 20:40.21 | atog | dondelelcaro: actually no it's not a debian specific thing.. since the kernel's makefile supports building of a debian package via make deb-pkg |
| 20:40.53 | LikwidAtom | I've just installed debian 4 from a netinstall, and its failing to load xserver. I've tried changing which GPU I use, but its only detecting my GeForce 7600GS. Anyone know how to get it to work? |
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| 20:41.32 | Kenichiro | Wanna Play Fun RPG game ? /q me or join #HypeRPG |
| 20:41.35 | atog | stew: yes but that means I'd have to continuously rebuild the entire kernel when all I'm looking for is being able to track changes to a driver and just recompile that driver only |
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| 20:42.01 | stew | atog: what is an example of a file that is being changed by make-kpkg? |
| 20:42.56 | SerajewelKS | what's it mean when syslogd is stuck in the Ds state? |
| 20:43.09 | SerajewelKS | oh god dammit |
| 20:43.12 | atog | well.. atm I'd have to rebuild to find out since I just cleaned my kernel dir |
| 20:43.15 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.25 kills my system once again |
| 20:43.21 | SerajewelKS | dmesg doesn't even work |
| 20:44.06 | SerajewelKS | even bash processes are stuck in D |
| 20:44.38 | stew | SerajewelKS: D is "uninteruptible slee". usually it means that it's waiting for IO to complete. perhaps reading/writing to/from a parition that is no longer available? |
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| 20:44.43 | stew | ^slee^sl.eep |
| 20:44.55 | SerajewelKS | dmesg just woke up |
| 20:45.21 | linsux | hello |
| 20:45.24 | linsux | i am new to linux |
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| 20:45.31 | linsux | where do i find image of cd? |
| 20:45.37 | wols_ | !cdimage |
| 20:45.37 | dpkg | wols_, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 20:45.39 | libertad | Bonjour |
| 20:45.48 | linsux | wols_, THANK YOU |
| 20:45.57 | SerajewelKS | stew: this is not the first time that random processes have entered D only to never wake up |
| 20:46.13 | libertad | I'm in USA. What's my deb official? |
| 20:46.16 | SerajewelKS | and it only happens on 2.6.25 |
| 20:46.17 | linsux | how to burn |
| 20:46.21 | linsux | with windows vista |
| 20:46.24 | libertad | paste me the link, please |
| 20:46.26 | wols_ | !tell linsux about mirrors |
| 20:46.28 | linsux | and what to downlaod |
| 20:46.29 | wols_ | linsux: ask a windows chanel |
| 20:46.41 | wols_ | I gave you a link already |
| 20:46.56 | SerajewelKS | my best guess is that the 2.6.25 driver for my SATA controller is a POS |
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| 20:47.44 | SerajewelKS | why the fuck is su entering unterruptible sleep to read /etc/shadow |
| 20:47.50 | SerajewelKS | uninterruptible* |
| 20:48.04 | SerajewelKS | now bash |
| 20:48.12 | stew | SerajewelKS: bad drive? bad cable? bad controller?: |
| 20:48.12 | SerajewelKS | so it begins, 2.6.25 brings my box to its knees once again |
| 20:48.21 | SerajewelKS | stew: this only happens on 2.6.25 |
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| 20:49.05 | SerajewelKS | stew: and there is never anything, *anything* in dmesg that would indicate wtf is going on |
| 20:49.16 | SerajewelKS | i'd be expecting read timeouts or some shit |
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| 20:50.50 | libertad | if you are in USA, please someone show mi your source.list |
| 20:51.02 | stew | libertad: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:51.22 | stew | libertad: pick a mirror from that list, you could also use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 20:51.34 | SerajewelKS | it'd be great if the kernel were better about reporting weird issues like this instead of just sleeping processes one by one... |
| 20:52.14 | libertad | stew> merci |
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| 20:57.12 | stoned | yay i gotta write a program to generate 8000 upc label barcodes |
| 20:57.18 | stoned | fantastic. |
| 20:57.38 | stoned | tries kbarcode but it will probably not do what I want |
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| 20:58.24 | stoned | hmm barcode lib |
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| 21:01.56 | SerajewelKS | yup and now sshd is down |
| 21:01.59 | SerajewelKS | just fucking awesome |
| 21:02.12 | SerajewelKS | back to 2.6.24 we go |
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| 21:04.36 | atog | SerajewlKS: have you tried the latest RC? |
| 21:04.57 | LikwidAtom | Hi, i've tried to re-configure xserver, as it failed to load properly the first time, and now Im just getting a blank screen. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 21:05.19 | wols_ | LikwidAtom: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 21:05.24 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, so /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory is 0, so you reccomend updating the kernel to sid's? |
| 21:05.31 | wols_ | LikwidAtom: what videocard and what driver do you use? |
| 21:05.41 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: worth a shot, I guess. |
| 21:05.47 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: someone else may have a better idea |
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| 21:05.54 | PeturICELAND | Hello all |
| 21:05.58 | LikwidAtom | NVIDIA GeForce 7600 and the nv driver @ wols_ |
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| 21:06.15 | PeturICELAND | mdadm encounters a bit error during a RAID 6 rebuild, will it just give up on that particular file and move on to recover other data on the array? Or will it trash the entire array? |
| 21:06.20 | PeturICELAND | If... |
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| 21:09.36 | Ace2016_ | Hi all, what is System Load in ksysguard? what does it represent |
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| 21:10.11 | PeturICELAND | Ace2016: Average number of jobs waiting in the que foro the processor in the past 1min 5min 15min |
| 21:10.14 | Ace2016_ | and what is Load Average out of? 100%? mine is at about 60 so it doesn't look like its under heavy load |
| 21:10.26 | Ace2016_ | oh |
| 21:10.32 | Ace2016_ | oh! |
| 21:10.38 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: with a vm issue like that, I'd definitely go and try to reproduce the issue with latest vanilla kernel |
| 21:10.38 | PeturICELAND | 60 or 0.6 ? |
| 21:10.43 | Ace2016_ | 60 |
| 21:10.56 | PeturICELAND | Strange.. that would be heavy load.. maby im mistaken with 'top' |
| 21:11.00 | Ace2016_ | i think i wrote my program wrong |
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| 21:11.25 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: what does "uptime" say? |
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| 21:11.34 | atog | stew: here's a list of all the changes that make-kpkg does to the kernel tree http://dpaste.com/59578/ |
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| 21:11.43 | Ace2016_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.49 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: sweet. |
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| 21:12.01 | Ace2016_ | sweet? |
| 21:12.09 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: there are 60 processes waiting for their cpu slice |
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| 21:12.33 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: "something is wrong" |
| 21:13.00 | Ace2016_ | oh i think its my heavy use of urandom and the attempt to modularise things by having executables which run others who run other and so on and so forth |
| 21:13.32 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: you got yourself a fork bomb? How many processes in total? |
| 21:14.22 | Ace2016_ | 362 |
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| 21:14.27 | Ace2016_ | its holding steady |
| 21:14.28 | Saz|Laptop | jelly-home, by vanilla kernel you mean without any debian patches? |
| 21:14.33 | cgibin | evening.. |
| 21:14.37 | Saz|Laptop | or the linux-image version? |
| 21:14.42 | Saz|Laptop | im assuming the former |
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| 21:14.52 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: right, the one from kernel.org |
| 21:15.06 | Saz|Laptop | but i'm not very keen on compiling my own kernel :/ |
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| 21:15.24 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: you have a kernel issue. |
| 21:15.36 | Ace2016_ | thanks all, i'll test with nice -19 next time |
| 21:15.56 | jelly-home | Ace2016_: you mean +19? :-) |
| 21:15.57 | Saz|Laptop | jelly-home, and you dont think changing over to sid's linux-image will fix the issue? |
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| 21:16.03 | Saz|Laptop | right now I'm using etch's imae |
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| 21:16.08 | Saz|Laptop | *image |
| 21:16.10 | Ace2016_ | nope, i mean nice -19 |
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| 21:16.14 | LikwidAtom | wols_: You get my last message? |
| 21:16.22 | Ace2016_ | -19 is positive 19 |
| 21:16.27 | cgibin | in sysctl.conf forgot, i don't want others to view /home dir, what was the line, |
| 21:16.28 | wols_ | yes I did |
| 21:16.40 | LikwidAtom | kk |
| 21:16.47 | wols_ | cgibin: chmod it |
| 21:16.47 | trumpen | which are the diffs between the default xvid and that of lavc? I am using avidemux on debian lenny |
| 21:16.59 | wols_ | LikwidAtom: but you didn't provide the pastebin I asked for |
| 21:17.01 | jelly-home | Saz|Laptop: I have no idea; try and see. |
| 21:17.20 | Saz|Laptop | i figure i'd try the quicker route first |
| 21:17.22 | LikwidAtom | wols_: I cant copy/paste... |
| 21:17.28 | Saz|Laptop | and if it happens again I'll try your method |
| 21:17.33 | wols_ | !tell LikwidAtom aboute pastebinit |
| 21:17.36 | cgibin | it well mass up i did chmod before, just need to input not clear what command line i used in sysctl.conf |
| 21:17.43 | wols_ | what method? I didn't tell you to do anything |
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| 21:17.49 | wols_ | !tell LikwidAtom about pastebinit |
| 21:18.16 | LikwidAtom | Im on a diff box. Also, I cant get see anything to copy/paste... |
| 21:18.28 | wols_ | !tell LikwidAtom about pastewithoutx |
| 21:18.29 | wols_ | you can |
| 21:18.48 | LikwidAtom | My display is black, no cursor, no text. |
| 21:18.57 | LikwidAtom | No response from keyboard. |
| 21:19.41 | wols_ | then reboot without X starting and check the file like I told you |
| 21:19.58 | Ace2016_ | is there anything faster than urandom which can give me some data, just any data as long as its not the same data, say a temperature sensor or a webcam? |
| 21:20.20 | wols_ | any PRNG |
| 21:21.11 | Ace2016_ | Load average, is it just cpu or does it include hdd and memory access too? |
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| 21:22.55 | aib | how can I get an SoQt package that is linked against Qt-4.x in the main repo? the current SoQt is linked against Qt-3.x |
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| 21:23.16 | cgibin | anyone know in sysctl.conf forgot, i don't want others to view /home dir, what was the line, |
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| 21:24.19 | stoned | kbarcode is crap |
| 21:24.26 | stoned | :( |
| 21:25.45 | amphi | stoned: what about barcode (without the 'k') |
| 21:26.00 | aib | is there a debian development room? |
| 21:26.05 | ex^idle | bye |
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| 21:27.02 | dondelelcaro | aib: which package? |
| 21:27.25 | aib | dondelelcaro, i need an SoQt in the main repo that is linked against Qt-4 |
| 21:27.30 | dondelelcaro | aib: you mean libsoqt4-20? |
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| 21:29.32 | aib | dondelelcaro, i don't see that here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages |
| 21:29.58 | aib | i see libsoqt20 that is linked against Qt-4 |
| 21:30.03 | aib | sorry, linked against Qt-3 |
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| 21:30.32 | dondelelcaro | aib: that's stable, not unstable. |
| 21:30.47 | dondelelcaro | aib: we won't be releasing any new versions of libraries in stable until we release the next stable release. |
| 21:31.02 | dondelelcaro | aib: if you actually need it in stable, make a backport or request one. |
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| 21:32.30 | aib | dondelelcaro, would this package make it into the next major release? when would that be? |
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| 21:32.42 | aib | i could wait if it was within just a few months, or i could backport if it wasn't going to make it |
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| 21:32.59 | stew | aib: yes, it will be in the next major release. the release dates are not known in advance, /msg dpkg wwlr |
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| 21:33.58 | aib | dondelelcaro, stew, thanks for the info |
| 21:34.02 | stew | aib: make-kpkg clean should get rid or most or all of those changes, however, make-kpkg clean would cause the next rebuild to rebuild everything, which seems to be something you are trying to avoid. why not add those files to the list of those ignored by git? |
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| 21:34.27 | aib | is that for someone else? |
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| 21:34.44 | dondelelcaro | aib: yeah, it was for atog |
| 21:34.53 | aib | phew;) |
| 21:35.11 | stew | oops |
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| 21:48.14 | trumpen | dpkg -l | grep package or dpkg -s package | grep Version |
| 21:48.15 | dpkg | ii | grep package or dpkg -s package | grep Version 3.1-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:48.23 | Tramp | !tell linkslice about version |
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| 22:02.16 | chowder | can anyone me with my locale setttings? I thought that reinstalling the locale package would fix my problem but i got several error messages. And each time that I install something else I get the same error messages. http://pastebin.com/m387c1397 |
| 22:03.06 | dondelelcaro | chowder: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the en_US.UTF-8 locale. |
| 22:03.34 | dondelelcaro | (you will *occasionally* still see that warning if you're reinstalling locales, but you shouldn't normally see it) |
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| 22:03.57 | chowder | it's a base system that I'm installing using debootstrap |
| 22:04.05 | dondelelcaro | doesn't really matter |
| 22:04.29 | dondelelcaro | it'll throw that warning until you've built the appropriate locale |
| 22:04.43 | chowder | how do I build that locale? |
| 22:04.54 | dondelelcaro | chowder: by running dpkg-reconfigure locales; and selecting it. |
| 22:06.20 | chowder | ooo ok, I'll give it a shot |
| 22:06.33 | Saz|Laptop | so like |
| 22:06.37 | Saz|Laptop | i upgraded the kernel |
| 22:06.48 | Saz|Laptop | it made the /vmlinuz symlink to the new image |
| 22:06.54 | Saz|Laptop | and edited lilo.conf |
| 22:07.04 | Saz|Laptop | but i rebooted, and it's still 2.6.18 |
| 22:07.40 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: did you run lilo? ;) |
| 22:07.42 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: did you rerun lilo? |
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| 22:07.55 | Saz|Laptop | whoops |
| 22:08.03 | Lagbolt | anyone have any trouble with xscreensaver locking and not accepting your password when you resume form hibernate or suspent? |
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| 22:08.08 | stiv2k | Are attachment size limitations governed by the IMAP server or SMTP server? |
| 22:08.15 | Saz|Laptop | so just run lilo with no arguments |
| 22:08.28 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: yes, IIRC |
| 22:08.32 | Saz|Laptop | alright |
| 22:08.38 | Saz|Laptop | rebooting tiem |
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| 22:08.58 | chowder | dondelelcaro: I'm still stuck. Do you mean that some type of GUI is supposed to pop up? cause I'm doing this all through the terminal in a chroot environment. |
| 22:09.11 | dondelelcaro | chowder: no, you'll see a curses dialog or a readline list. |
| 22:09.27 | psilikon | so I just downloaded firefox3 can I just move the plugins over from iceweasel 2? If so what dir holds them? |
| 22:10.30 | chowder | dondelelcaro: this is all I get. No curses dialog. http://pastebin.com/d1fc614a0 |
| 22:10.58 | Saz|Laptop | # uname -r |
| 22:10.59 | Saz|Laptop | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 22:11.01 | Saz|Laptop | oh boy! |
| 22:11.07 | Saz|Laptop | i feel like a new man |
| 22:11.16 | amphi | heh |
| 22:11.28 | Saz|Laptop | anything i can do to test to see if the new vm system doesnt crash my system |
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| 22:13.33 | Saz|Laptop | maybe run memtest? |
| 22:14.07 | Saz|Laptop | runs memtest all |
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| 22:14.55 | chut_ | anyone knows where to buy cheap desktop? |
| 22:15.00 | chut_ | cheap but good |
| 22:15.07 | chut_ | desktop pc i mean |
| 22:15.53 | haxi | chut_: internet. |
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| 22:16.10 | Nyle | chut_, which country? |
| 22:16.20 | Nyle | chut_, for usa, check craigslist its the best |
| 22:16.20 | chut_ | usa |
| 22:16.55 | Nyle | cheap but good? hah. |
| 22:16.59 | chut_ | ahhaa |
| 22:17.05 | chut_ | craigslist.com? |
| 22:17.08 | Nyle | cheap depends on YOU. |
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| 22:17.16 | Nyle | good is also subjective |
| 22:17.19 | vadmeste | chut_: maybe you have to buy one of "Laptop for Each Children" |
| 22:17.41 | amphi | they run vista now, don't they? ;) |
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| 22:18.00 | chut_ | can i buy from ebay? |
| 22:18.08 | Nyle | chut_, ##hardware |
| 22:18.14 | chut_ | ok |
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| 22:18.23 | Nyle | chut_, thats the palce to discuss hardware components and pricing/sites |
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| 22:18.30 | chowder | dondelelcaro: i solved the problem. debootstrap doesn't add language support. I installed language-pack-en and then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:18.56 | Nyle | pins amphi |
| 22:19.06 | Saz|Laptop | alright |
| 22:19.09 | Saz|Laptop | i ran memtest -a;; |
| 22:19.10 | Saz|Laptop | *all |
| 22:19.14 | Saz|Laptop | and logged into sercon |
| 22:19.20 | Saz|Laptop | its not killing memtest |
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| 22:19.23 | Saz|Laptop | its killing everything but |
| 22:19.39 | chowder | does this mean anything to anyone? Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
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| 22:21.47 | Saz|Laptop | yeah, its killing httpd |
| 22:21.55 | Saz|Laptop | and not stopping |
| 22:23.25 | Saz|Laptop | so now what |
| 22:23.49 | Nyle | !tell Saz|Laptop -about enter |
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| 22:25.47 | xanner | Hello, I just changed a bunch of options in sshd_config, what's the command to restart the sshd properly? (I'm afraid of losing connection with my shell if something goes wrong) |
| 22:26.07 | Saz|Laptop | /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 22:26.07 | Nyle | xanner, /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:26.10 | xanner | thanks |
| 22:26.55 | vadmeste | xanner: /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 22:27.07 | Nyle | thats right |
| 22:27.11 | vadmeste | xanner: and not restart |
| 22:27.42 | xanner | alright thanks |
| 22:27.45 | Nyle | my mistake (I was thinking restart) |
| 22:27.55 | xanner | yeah no problem, everything worked out just fine :) |
| 22:28.15 | xanner | I was a little confused on why the daemon wasn't suffixed with "d" |
| 22:28.18 | Saz|Laptop | so does anyone know what I can do about this issue? Updating the kernel seemingly did nothing at all |
| 22:28.24 | xanner | ssh looked like the client version |
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| 22:30.18 | Saz|Laptop | xanner, on my system there is both an ssh and sshd |
| 22:30.42 | Nyle | Saz|Laptop, what system are you using? |
| 22:30.47 | Saz|Laptop | etch |
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| 22:31.16 | vadmeste | Saz|Laptop: you had installed openssh and ssh |
| 22:31.20 | vadmeste | i guess |
| 22:31.25 | Saz|Laptop | yeah probably |
| 22:31.34 | wols_ | xanner: is is suffixed with a d |
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| 22:31.46 | VulpesFoxnik | Anyone else having problems with pygames crashing when trying to load with sdl undefined symbol: mouse_seteventhandler |
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| 22:35.27 | VulpesFoxnik | No one having my problem? |
| 22:37.19 | vadmeste | VulpesFoxnik: really, you have to be lucky to find someone who have your so "specific" problem |
| 22:38.02 | VulpesFoxnik | Well it's a fairly big problem affecting all my python games >> |
| 22:38.26 | VulpesFoxnik | And google was of no help. |
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| 22:39.16 | vadmeste | VulpesFoxnik: try to find authors of python games and contact them |
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| 22:39.23 | quentusrex | Hello. |
| 22:39.51 | quentusrex | I'm trying to setup my remote server so that I can ssh and scp into the server without typing the password each time. I've generated my ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 22:39.54 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm not sure if it's sdl's fault or pygame's fault. |
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| 22:40.41 | quentusrex | I copied id_rsa.pub to authorized_keys and then scp'd that to the remote server and put it in my ~/.ssh/ folder |
| 22:40.55 | Nyle | no |
| 22:41.01 | quentusrex | but I still can't login without my password |
| 22:41.09 | Nyle | you scp id_rsa.pub to server |
| 22:41.13 | Nyle | into authorized_keys2 |
| 22:41.18 | vadmeste | VulpesFoxnik: i think it's no problem is you joined #sdl and ask them about your problem |
| 22:41.43 | Nyle | scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub remote:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
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| 22:43.52 | vadmeste | VulpesFoxnik: join #sdl and #pygame |
| 22:43.53 | quentusrex | :( I just did that |
| 22:43.58 | quentusrex | and I can't get it to work.... |
| 22:44.06 | VulpesFoxnik | Thanks vadmeste |
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| 22:44.26 | vadmeste | VulpesFoxnik: no problem |
| 22:45.13 | quentusrex | Nyle, for some reason that still won't work.... |
| 22:45.20 | quentusrex | my password is different on both machines. |
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| 22:46.07 | quentusrex | I can see the file in the right spot |
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| 22:47.33 | quentusrex | Nyle, do you have any idea what I could test to see what's 'wrong' |
| 22:47.52 | Nyle | what are you trying to do exactly? and what isn't working |
| 22:48.07 | quentusrex | I have a workstation on a local lan |
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| 22:48.27 | quentusrex | I'm trying to setup this machine so that I can log into my remote server without entering my remote password each time. |
| 22:48.31 | minus198 | How do I change the nick of a user on IRC? (I'm not trying to change my own nick) I have /oper. |
| 22:48.42 | minus198 | possibly highly offtopic but whatever |
| 22:49.00 | Nyle | quentusrex, and what is the current behaviour? does it still ask you for the password? |
| 22:49.10 | quentusrex | yup, still asks for the password. |
| 22:49.21 | themo|est | I would really like to upgrade to postgresql 8.3.3 package which is in unstable, but I would like to stay on testing, is there an easy way to backport it, or install from source while keeping it as a package? (for ease of upgrading in future) |
| 22:49.21 | Nyle | quentusrex, are you provind a passphrase when you ssh-keygen -t rsa? |
| 22:49.26 | quentusrex | no |
| 22:49.35 | Nyle | providing* |
| 22:49.37 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:50.13 | quentusrex | the file is being copied correctly |
| 22:50.34 | quentusrex | my hostname in the .pub file can't be resolved remotely. it's a local lan hostname... |
| 22:50.37 | quentusrex | if that matters. |
| 22:50.42 | Nyle | hm |
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| 22:50.58 | vadmeste | minus198: join #freenode |
| 22:51.00 | stew | themo|est: /msg dpkg ssb ; often (if not usually) testing and unstable libraries are close enough that you can install sid package into testing without having to pull too much into testing: "/msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix" just be weary of how much you are pulling from unstable with "-t unstable" |
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| 22:51.46 | Bushmills | quentusrex: what does dpkg -l | grep libssl on your local machine show? |
| 22:52.19 | quentusrex | ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8e-5ubuntu3 SSL shared libraries |
| 22:52.34 | Nyle | heh |
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| 22:52.44 | Nyle | quentusrex, time to go to #ubuntu |
| 22:52.59 | Bushmills | isn't that a broken ssl lib? |
| 22:53.04 | quentusrex | I went there. There isn't any help there right now... |
| 22:53.13 | Nyle | we do't support broken ubuntu shit. |
| 22:53.18 | stew | quentusrex: try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum, or wait |
| 22:53.21 | Sazpaimon_ | dondelelcaro, so this time, i ran memtest all, and oom-killer took effect |
| 22:53.22 | Nyle | install debian :) |
| 22:53.25 | quentusrex | :) |
| 22:53.28 | Nyle | !d-i quentusrex |
| 22:53.28 | dpkg | quentusrex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:53.31 | Sazpaimon_ | and it took about like, 30 minutes for it to finally finish |
| 22:53.37 | Bushmills | sorry, i don't know about ubuntu versioning. |
| 22:53.47 | Nyle | please, once you try debian you wouldn't need anything else |
| 22:53.47 | Nyle | ! |
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| 22:53.56 | stew | yeah above you will find instructions on in stalling debian's broken libssl |
| 22:54.08 | Bushmills | but if your remote server is debian and has ssh key blacklisting installed, and your ubuntu lib is broken, that could be a reason |
| 22:54.21 | Nyle | stew, ? |
| 22:54.35 | stew | Nyle: (the debian cds ship with the broken libssl) |
| 22:54.38 | Nyle | debian ssl lib is broken? |
| 22:54.39 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:54.49 | stew | we odn't have a r4 yet |
| 22:54.52 | Nyle | i did not know that (I've never used a debian cd) |
| 22:55.13 | Bushmills | Nyle: where have you been the last 2 months? |
| 22:55.16 | Nyle | never had ssl problems in debian |
| 22:55.27 | Nyle | Bushmills, being a windows admin! |
| 22:55.35 | stew | sarge rules! |
| 22:55.41 | Bushmills | Nyle: did you read the topic? |
| 22:55.47 | Nyle | Bushmills, I never read the topic |
| 22:55.53 | Nyle | its always the same :) |
| 22:55.55 | Bushmills | that explains it |
| 22:55.56 | Nyle | oh no shit |
| 22:56.03 | Nyle | damn i didn't know this |
| 22:56.13 | Nyle | will try to /topic more often |
| 22:58.00 | Bushmills | quentusrex: before i forget: delete that key. it is not safe to use it. |
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| 22:58.25 | andypls1 | Does anyone know how to find a script that loads a specific module on my kernel on start-up? |
| 22:58.35 | Nyle | andypls1, /etc/modules |
| 22:58.41 | Nyle | just put your module in there |
| 22:59.23 | andypls1 | no the thing is that, there is a script that loads a module i don't want to get loaded |
| 22:59.34 | dondelelcaro | !blacklist |
| 22:59.35 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 22:59.35 | andypls1 | how can i find that script so that i can disable it? |
| 22:59.49 | Nyle | read |
| 22:59.50 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:00.33 | andypls1 | oh |
| 23:00.38 | amphi | andypls1: grep your init scripts for the module name? |
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| 23:01.04 | andypls1 | how do i grep all of them? |
| 23:01.30 | amphi | grep foo /etc/init.d/* |
| 23:02.22 | Nyle | ahhhh |
| 23:02.27 | Nyle | kbarcode can possibly work |
| 23:02.46 | andypls1 | it can't find anything |
| 23:02.50 | Nyle | I have to import the data in to mysql as thats the only db it can conenct to |
| 23:02.56 | Nyle | sweet, its worth a try |
| 23:03.32 | amphi | andypls1: so the module is not loaded by an init script |
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| 23:04.25 | andypls1 | modprobe -l | grep libafs |
| 23:04.36 | andypls1 | returns this: /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/fs/libafs.ko |
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| 23:04.46 | andypls1 | but modprobe -r libafs.ko |
| 23:04.57 | andypls1 | FATAL: Module libafs.ko not found. |
| 23:04.58 | Nyle | -.ko |
| 23:04.59 | andypls1 | why is that? |
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| 23:05.22 | amphi | andypls1: modprobe -r libafs |
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| 23:05.51 | vadmeste | andypls1: that does not mean that you had loaded your module |
| 23:05.52 | andypls1 | ok this time i don't get an error, |
| 23:06.08 | andypls1 | but modprobe -l | grep libafs still finds it |
| 23:06.13 | vadmeste | andypls1: you should "modprobe libafs" before "modprobe -r libafs" |
| 23:06.16 | Nyle | yes of course it does.. |
| 23:06.28 | Nyle | use lsmod to list loaded modules |
| 23:06.58 | andypls1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.03 | andypls1 | that doesn't give anything... |
| 23:07.11 | Nyle | because you just modprobe -r it |
| 23:07.14 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:07.36 | andypls1 | look, right after i boot, if i run modprobe -l | grep libafs, I get /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/fs/libafs.ko |
| 23:07.49 | andypls1 | that says that it's loaded |
| 23:07.57 | andypls1 | and even now it's there |
| 23:08.02 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 23:08.04 | Nyle | !!! |
| 23:08.04 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 23:08.14 | amphi | andypls1: no |
| 23:08.16 | Nyle | im short on patience, anyone else... me wonders off |
| 23:08.25 | andypls1 | Nyle |
| 23:08.27 | amphi | andypls1: modprobe -l does not list loaded modules |
| 23:08.36 | andypls1 | ok |
| 23:08.37 | amphi | andypls1: lsmod does |
| 23:08.38 | vadmeste | andypls1: modprobe -l lists the module that you "can" load |
| 23:08.46 | andypls1 | ok |
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| 23:09.13 | andypls1 | so to load a module |
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| 23:09.34 | Nyle | andypls1, read man lsmod & man modprobe |
| 23:09.44 | Nyle | that should explain it |
| 23:10.10 | vadmeste | andypls1: to load a module : modprobe libafs |
| 23:10.17 | vadmeste | andypls1: to unload a module : modprobe -r libafs |
| 23:10.33 | Nyle | *sigh* spoonfeed. |
| 23:10.54 | Nyle | While reading the manpages he will discover more and retain more. |
| 23:10.55 | vadmeste | andypls1: "grep libafs /etc/modules" |
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| 23:11.22 | vadmeste | Nyle: of course |
| 23:11.28 | war9407 | Is there any emulator that can run WinXP 64/ Vista64? (free) Xen or other? I tried WinXP64 on one of them crashed at the end of the install though |
| 23:11.35 | andypls1 | grep libafs /etc/modules returns nothing |
| 23:11.40 | Nyle | war9407, yes |
| 23:11.47 | Nyle | war9407, your best best is openbox |
| 23:11.49 | Nyle | doh |
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| 23:11.55 | Nyle | war9407, virtualbox-ose |
| 23:11.58 | war9407 | k |
| 23:12.06 | litlebuda | war9407, virtualbox ? |
| 23:12.06 | jdavis | Are there any issues installing debian on an xserve? |
| 23:12.16 | war9407 | looking/trying now thx |
| 23:12.29 | vadmeste | andypls1: sorry i have to quit |
| 23:12.35 | andypls1 | guys, where does "modprobe libafs" find libafs? |
| 23:12.53 | jdavis | After googling, I saw that to install on an xserve I might have to install the 32-bit version, because there's no elilo for amd64 architecture. |
| 23:13.05 | Nyle | andypls1, if you wish to prevent this module from loading, blacklist it |
| 23:13.24 | Nyle | andypls1, it finds libafs.ko that you can list using modprobe -l |
| 23:13.42 | Nyle | !tell andypls1 -about blacklist |
| 23:14.00 | andypls1 | ok thanks a lot :) |
| 23:14.18 | Nyle | sure |
| 23:15.34 | andypls1 | i am just trying to load a module from another directory right now.. |
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| 23:17.21 | andypls1 | I get a FATAL that my module couldn't be found |
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| 23:17.37 | andypls1 | it's in blah/src/libafs.ko |
| 23:17.46 | Nyle | I'm gonna go bald |
| 23:17.59 | amphi | andypls1: try insmod blah/src/libafs.ko |
| 23:18.01 | Nyle | man depmod |
| 23:18.24 | amphi | Nyle: a gleaming pate will suit you well, no doubt ;) |
| 23:18.39 | Nyle | amphi, what is the diff between insmod and modprobe? |
| 23:18.59 | andypls1 | yiap :) |
| 23:19.04 | andypls1 | thanks that worked! |
| 23:19.05 | Nyle | why is modprobe not sufficient? |
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| 23:19.20 | amphi | Nyle: insmod doesn't do deps, and can load a module from a specified path, IIRC |
| 23:20.13 | bokey | Nyle: insmod requires absolute path. modprobe looks in /lib/modules/`uname -r` afaik. modprobe is considered intelligent insmod ;) |
| 23:21.08 | Nyle | yes |
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| 23:21.21 | Nyle | insmod takes module from standard input, while modprobe looks in /lib/modules |
| 23:21.23 | Nyle | you're right |
| 23:21.27 | Nyle | good stuff |
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| 23:22.23 | Nyle | ihpma |
| 23:22.33 | Nyle | ingpay! |
| 23:22.54 | Nyle | !friday |
| 23:22.54 | dpkg | well, friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
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| 23:24.43 | Akuw | is there any application to measure my internet connection speed |
| 23:24.54 | Nyle | bandwidthd? |
| 23:24.59 | Nyle | something or other |
| 23:25.05 | Akuw | yes |
| 23:25.14 | Nyle | Akuw, how about bandwidth place .com |
| 23:25.22 | Akuw | i need to know the actual speed |
| 23:25.30 | aleksanteri | hm.. what are those number codes preceding the version numbers on the dependency lines of the package info supplied by $(apt-cache showpkg)? |
| 23:25.47 | Nyle | debian package version I think |
| 23:26.06 | aleksanteri | hmm.. but on some cases it's (0 (null)), what does this mean? |
| 23:26.06 | Nyle | debin package version:software version (I think) |
| 23:26.13 | Nyle | I forget. |
| 23:26.22 | aleksanteri | hmm. and the man page isn't any use in this case |
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| 23:27.17 | Akuw | 780 kilobits |
| 23:27.21 | Bushmills | Akuw: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+fast+is+your+internet+connection |
| 23:27.59 | Nyle | dun dun danananan dun dun |
| 23:28.07 | Nyle | I told him too |
| 23:28.53 | n3kl | Can someone tell me the differences between apt-cacher and apt-proxy? |
| 23:29.09 | Bushmills | if we spread the message, maybe eventually the existence of google will be more known to people |
| 23:29.31 | Nyle | huge diff |
| 23:29.46 | Bushmills | n3kl: there's also approx |
| 23:29.47 | Nyle | n3kl, apt-cacher caches pckages downloaded by peopel on a lan and uses that to search before it htis the net |
| 23:30.04 | Nyle | n3kl, then you have apt-proxy which sets up an actual http mirror of stuff |
| 23:30.19 | Nyle | n3kl, you bother to look em up on google or manpage? |
| 23:30.46 | dryrot | i dont know the differec between approx and apt-proxy |
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| 23:30.52 | n3kl | Nyle: no manpage becuase I don't have them installed, did look them up on google, but from what I read, I could not get the differenct |
| 23:31.10 | Nyle | n3kl, google "man apt-cacher" |
| 23:31.17 | Nyle | thre are manpages available on the net... |
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| 23:34.33 | n3kl | apt-proxy looks better |
| 23:34.43 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.43 | Nyle | 07:30 < dryrot> i dont know the differec between approx and apt-proxy |
| 23:34.43 | Nyle | 07:30 < n3kl> Nyle: no manpage becuase I don't have them installed, did look them up on google, but from what I read, I could not get the differenct |
| 23:34.46 | Nyle | 07:30 < Nyle> n3kl, google "man apt-cacher" |
| 23:34.49 | Nyle | 07:30 < Nyle> thre are manpages available on the net... |
| 23:34.51 | Nyle | 07:34 < n3kl> apt-proxy looks better |
| 23:34.54 | Nyle | 07:34 � Nyle(+ei) � 2:FREENODE � A:3.##hardware 4.#kde 6.#ati � DCCs: None � |
| 23:34.56 | n3kl | http://pwet.fr/man/linux/formats/apt_proxy_conf |
| 23:34.57 | Nyle | [#debian] |
| 23:34.59 | Nyle | wtf? |
| 23:35.03 | dryrot | i would use approx just because its been updated in the last 5 years |
| 23:35.04 | Nyle | oops. |
| 23:35.23 | dryrot | and now we make fun you! |
| 23:35.27 | Nyle | :( |
| 23:35.35 | n3kl | Nyle: Dood, I did google. I am looking at them right now. I just made a statement. No need to repaste |
| 23:35.47 | Nyle | my mistake. |
| 23:35.57 | dryrot | he really wants you to google for approx |
| 23:36.01 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:36.08 | Nyle | my mouse went haywire. |
| 23:36.26 | dryrot | i just get annoyed at smirky replies on irc |
| 23:36.44 | dryrot | you should hang out on #java |
| 23:36.51 | dryrot | they have giant sticks up their butts |
| 23:36.54 | Nyle | i hate coffee. |
| 23:37.03 | themill | sends dyek to #bash with some asbestos underwear |
| 23:37.05 | Bushmills | none of the apt proxies worked flawless for me. apt-proxy tended to stop downloading packages in the middle of a transfer, and needed restarting to continue ,,, i can't remember anymore what my issue with approx was. |
| 23:38.01 | dryrot | i just have a cron job restart approx once a day. yeah they all die eventually, dunno why |
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| 23:38.49 | n3kl | Ok. (Nyle please don't yell at me) but from what I can gather, apt-proxy is something that you point your clients at as an internal mirror, where apt-cacher just downloads packages for you on request. Is this close to correct? |
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| 23:39.20 | Nyle | n3kl, dude, I accidentlly pasted my buffer with middle click. I wasnt' re-pasting or yelling at you. |
| 23:39.24 | n3kl | Bushmills: I use apt-cacher now and it seems to work pretty well |
| 23:39.44 | Bushmills | n3kl: for how long have you been using it? |
| 23:39.45 | n3kl | Nyle: we're square. Don't worry about it |
| 23:39.52 | n3kl | Bushmills: like six months |
| 23:40.51 | Bushmills | n3kl: may be different environment, when i noticed the problems my apt-proxy had, people here couldn't confirm my observations. |
| 23:40.57 | dyek | themill: What happened?... :-) What #bash has to do with me? |
| 23:41.12 | Bushmills | n3kl: though some did |
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| 23:41.24 | themill | dyek: ergh... bad tab completion... |
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| 23:41.35 | n3kl | Bushmills: I may have used apt-proxy in the past, and I seem to remember a problem with it doing exactly as you describe |
| 23:41.56 | dyek | themill: OK...lucky me... |
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| 23:42.05 | themill | :) |
| 23:42.06 | n3kl | Bushmills: which really sucks when I have a cropjob that does apt-get -dyy upgrade every night. Tents to fail often |
| 23:42.13 | phorce1 | freakin DELL! Is it possible to make a bootable CD from a Dell restore partition on a HD by using 'dd if=/dev/sdb3 of=dellrestore.iso' and then burning it? A friend crapped out his laptop and I'm trying to recover it with tools at hand (my Debian system) |
| 23:42.43 | Bushmills | n3kl: actually, i hated it more when that happened while using it interactively |
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| 23:42.46 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, ##windows |
| 23:42.52 | Nyle | phorce1, ##windows |
| 23:43.07 | Nyle | phorce1, and you really should install debian for him |
| 23:43.09 | Bushmills | then i lost my patience with apt-proxy and tried approx |
| 23:43.14 | Nyle | if nothing else, just at least get him ubuntu |
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| 23:43.25 | Nyle | fuck windows and dell and restore cds |
| 23:43.31 | n3kl | Bushmills: how is that one working for you. |
| 23:43.36 | phorce1 | Nyle: ##windows won't help with using 'dd' to make a bootable cd from a HD partition |
| 23:43.41 | n3kl | Fuck dell is right |
| 23:43.43 | Bushmills | n3kl: a week later i removed that one too |
| 23:43.57 | n3kl | isn't today gates' last day at M$ |
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| 23:44.07 | Bushmills | who is gates? |
| 23:44.11 | n3kl | Bushmills: might try apt-cacher. Seems to work for me |
| 23:44.14 | phorce1 | Nyle: and he has to use winblows for some school things. Debian or Ubuntu in 1.5 more years |
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| 23:44.28 | n3kl | Bushmills: gill bates |
| 23:44.38 | Nyle | phorce1, unfortunately we don't support recovery partitions on dell machines |
| 23:44.44 | Nyle | phorce1, for help with dd join ##linux |
| 23:44.47 | n3kl | phorce1: wine! |
| 23:44.53 | Nyle | that and/or general linux support |
| 23:45.18 | phorce1 | Just a general question that I thought maybe someone had tried on their debian system. We have a wide variety of people in here. |
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| 23:46.08 | Nyle | call dell tech support and ask them how to boot into the recovery partition and start hd recovery. |
| 23:46.09 | phorce1 | I'll just try it and see if the image will burn |
| 23:46.15 | Bushmills | well, at least gates was .. sort of .. reasonable. what one can't say of ballmer |
| 23:46.35 | n3kl | phorce1: might dry man dd. Also, using dd will not just magically create an interface for you to restore your computer |
| 23:46.44 | phorce1 | Nyle: the non-recovery part of the HD is throwing errors. Trying to do this restore to another drive. |
| 23:47.04 | Nyle | I am non existent |
| 23:47.07 | Nyle | I am not saying this |
| 23:47.15 | Nyle | warez a copy of windows iso and use that. |
| 23:47.21 | Nyle | I did not say this. type /clear. |
| 23:47.28 | phorce1 | n3kl: I use dd to build CD .iso's all the time. Just not sure if it will work for a HD image burned to CD |
| 23:47.40 | n3kl | phorce1: dd if=/dev/sda of=file.img && replace hd && dd id=file.img of=/dev/sda |
| 23:47.59 | Wyzard | You can burn a hard-disk image to a CD, but it won't be bootable |
| 23:48.02 | Nyle | you are making an image of a hdd |
| 23:48.06 | Wyzard | CD booting works differently |
| 23:48.10 | Nyle | its not a single track image |
| 23:48.15 | Nyle | diff format |
| 23:48.17 | n3kl | phorce1: create isos, sure, but its booting that youa re talking about |
| 23:48.53 | phorce1 | Nyle: I have one. Can't figure out which version of winblows was used. Have tried pro oem and pro retail. Sticker says pro but when switching to valid key from his sticker it says no-go --- and this is WAY too deep in windows info to be on topic |
| 23:49.14 | Nyle | its very offtopic here. |
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| 23:49.27 | Nyle | try torrent websites and/or gogole. |
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| 23:49.41 | Nyle | good day to you sir and good luck |
| 23:50.56 | phorce1 | well, at least I'll have a good backup of the restore partition if I trash it. |
| 23:51.01 | phorce1 | thanks all |
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| 23:56.38 | Nyle | man im getting fat |
| 23:56.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 23:56.44 | linkslice | lol |
| 23:56.47 | linkslice | aren't we all? |
| 23:56.55 | Nyle | I am now 140lbs |
| 23:56.58 | Nyle | or 145 i think |
| 23:57.08 | themo|est | you must be a chick? |
| 23:57.09 | Nyle | i got slight love handles and a gut |
| 23:57.13 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: ##nickping_check |
| 23:57.23 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, sorry! |
| 23:57.25 | Nyle | my bad |
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| 23:57.52 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: :) It's ok, just yankin' your chain |
| 23:58.06 | themo|est | Nyle you are a chick right? dudes don't complain till they're atleast 200 |
| 23:58.12 | Nyle | no |
| 23:58.14 | Nyle | I'm a dude |
| 23:58.27 | Nyle | I'm slightly built with almost no body fat |
| 23:58.35 | Nyle | so even a little bit irritatesme |
| 23:58.43 | themo|est | wah wah wah... |
| 23:58.51 | Nyle | i can only see my top 4 abs, like a 4pack |
| 23:58.58 | Nyle | my bottom 2 abs are under soft flesh now |
| 23:59.19 | themo|est | unless you're like 4 ft tall, you weigh like 75 lbs less than me, and i'm not "fat" ... though i could lose a few pounds |
| 23:59.22 | Nyle | I went from 30 waiste to 32 i think |
| 23:59.31 | Nyle | 5'11 |
| 23:59.43 | themo|est | exactly, quit complaining, go to the beach, enjoy life |
| 23:59.52 | themo|est | or, sit coding, and enjoy life... whatever |
| 23:59.58 | Nyle | embarassed to take off shirt in front of girls |
| 23:59.59 | Nyle | :( |
