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| 00:00.09 | Nyle | i got fat tummy |
| 00:00.12 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: that's my size... see, now I'm depressed :B |
| 00:00.16 | feroz | Hello. |
| 00:00.18 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:00.34 | Nyle | feroz, are you pakistani? |
| 00:00.45 | themo|est | HAH... i tell them i'll jiggle if they jiggle |
| 00:00.47 | dondelelcaro | points to #debian-offtopic... |
| 00:00.50 | themo|est | :) |
| 00:00.56 | feroz | Nyle, nope |
| 00:01.04 | Nyle | oh, feroze is a name of them |
| 00:01.05 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:01.17 | feroz | I have a prob with switchin from etch to lenny.. |
| 00:01.28 | Nyle | go on |
| 00:01.39 | themo|est | anyway, suck it up... and enjoy life Nyle and stop talking like a chick ;-) |
| 00:01.45 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:01.49 | feroz | i changed the distro in sources.list, and updated |
| 00:01.53 | feroz | and i get: E: The package linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 00:02.09 | themo|est | feroz did you do dist-upgrade? |
| 00:02.11 | Nyle | how are you upgrading? |
| 00:02.18 | Nyle | try aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:02.29 | feroz | ki get that message when i do: apt-get update |
| 00:02.44 | themo|est | feroz update, or upgrade? |
| 00:02.54 | feroz | update |
| 00:03.05 | Nyle | what is your sources.list look like |
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| 00:04.02 | feroz | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:04.08 | PhrkOnLsh | how can I force a module to be modprobe'd every boot? I can't get my palm to sync via kpilot without first modprobe visor'ing at every boot |
| 00:04.10 | feroz | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:04.25 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, put it in /etc/modules |
| 00:04.38 | Nyle | feroz, looks fine to me |
| 00:04.41 | PhrkOnLsh | ah thanks :) |
| 00:04.48 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:05.19 | Nyle | I've like no idea dude |
| 00:05.40 | themo|est | Nyle though it doesn't "fix" the problem, you probably would get rid of the error by installing a up to date kernel (apt-cache search kernel-image) then uninstalling the old one |
| 00:05.50 | themo|est | unless there is a particular reason you have THAT kernel |
| 00:06.03 | Nyle | well I was thinking about the message |
| 00:06.26 | Nyle | it says it needs to reisntall the kernel packet but it can't find the .deb of it (by archive i think it means that) |
| 00:06.34 | Nyle | so what you say is true I think |
| 00:06.42 | themo|est | what it sounds like, is the same kernel is not available in both the distros you had (old and new) so it can't redownload what you are missing |
| 00:06.57 | Nyle | of course lenny wouldn't contains 2.6.18 |
| 00:07.02 | themo|est | so installing a new one, you will get a fresh deb |
| 00:07.10 | themo|est | so no more error |
| 00:07.11 | Nyle | yup |
| 00:07.15 | themo|est | after you take out old one |
| 00:07.22 | Nyle | feroz, you reading this? |
| 00:07.24 | Nyle | ^^^ |
| 00:07.26 | feroz | yes |
| 00:07.35 | feroz | Trying to get what you guys are saying ;) |
| 00:07.48 | themo|est | you probobly did a cleanup of your debs at one point |
| 00:07.59 | themo|est | but the root cause, why it says you need to reinstall... i'm not sure |
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| 00:08.01 | quentusrex | does the user www-data have a password set? |
| 00:08.03 | soblue | thinking of doing a dist-upgrade, but last time I did that (with sarge), X stopped working. I guess it would be a good idea to back up my personal files first? |
| 00:08.05 | juanoooo | hola |
| 00:08.10 | juanoooo | consulta, alguien usa el gdb ? |
| 00:08.17 | themo|est | but i doubt its directly related to changing to lenny |
| 00:08.19 | Nyle | !es |
| 00:08.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:08.22 | Nyle | ? |
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| 00:08.39 | Nyle | i think its spanish isnnit? |
| 00:08.59 | themo|est | i think so |
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| 00:09.22 | PhrkOnLsh | ... man gdb? :B |
| 00:09.41 | Tramp | IP points to Argentina - so probably yes 8) |
| 00:09.55 | Nyle | has joins/parts/quits on ignore |
| 00:10.04 | feroz | themo|est, any clue how that could me solved? |
| 00:10.05 | themo|est | acording to google translate it looks like it is |
| 00:10.14 | themo|est | ^^ "consultation, someone uses gdb" |
| 00:10.21 | themo|est | spanish> english |
| 00:10.24 | Nyle | feroz, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-686 |
| 00:10.50 | Nyle | or with the --reinstall |
| 00:11.02 | themo|est | feroz after the new image is installed (AND YOU TEST THAT IT DOESNT CRASH ON BOOT) then uninstall old one |
| 00:11.13 | feroz | Im trying that |
| 00:11.32 | themo|est | you shouldn't have issues, but never cut your leg off until you have a peg fitted |
| 00:11.33 | themo|est | :) |
| 00:11.55 | Nyle | what |
| 00:11.57 | Nyle | no |
| 00:12.08 | Nyle | don't ever cut your leg off wtf (not unelss its like poisoned and can spread n shit) |
| 00:12.15 | themo|est | Nyle heh |
| 00:12.39 | themo|est | you don't like my joke |
| 00:12.44 | themo|est | :-/ |
| 00:12.46 | Nyle | no it was funny |
| 00:12.48 | Nyle | i tried to make my own |
| 00:12.53 | themo|est | oh |
| 00:12.53 | Nyle | I'm not funny :( |
| 00:13.00 | themo|est | apparently ;-) |
| 00:13.17 | themo|est | sounded like you were talking me seriously :-P |
| 00:13.25 | themo|est | *taking |
| 00:13.31 | Nyle | yeh most people think that |
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| 00:13.36 | Tramp | themo|est: funny enough, you get the same translation for portuguese->en |
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| 00:14.15 | themo|est | Tramp hrmm... i'm a stupid american, isn't portugues and spanish closely related? |
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| 00:14.50 | Tramp | themo|est: yeah, ofc - but you see, google doesn't tell us actually, what language it was |
| 00:15.20 | feroz | hey, i get the same error message when tryin to relinstall it.. |
| 00:15.31 | themo|est | ah, well close enough, if they joined the spanish chan, they could piece together something and get the right chan |
| 00:15.33 | themo|est | :) |
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| 00:15.53 | Tramp | yeah - probably they even understand each other. |
| 00:16.35 | dustybin | is there a such thing as a debian newsgroup? |
| 00:17.08 | Tramp | there is a newsgroup for everything. probably even a dozen ... |
| 00:17.18 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.36 | Nyle | try any free nntp server |
| 00:17.40 | Nyle | you'll find plenty |
| 00:17.44 | themo|est | or google groups |
| 00:17.53 | themo|est | just don't try verizon or rr anymore :-/ |
| 00:18.05 | dustybin | Nyle: there is no such thing as a real free NNTP server |
| 00:18.14 | Nyle | sure there are |
| 00:18.17 | dustybin | the free ones are just backdoors left open |
| 00:18.18 | mohr | no, there aren't |
| 00:18.22 | Nyle | library access through your library card |
| 00:18.28 | Nyle | gov access |
| 00:18.30 | Nyle | schools |
| 00:18.35 | Nyle | universities |
| 00:18.38 | mohr | that is all filtered |
| 00:18.42 | mohr | all of it |
| 00:18.45 | Nyle | debian isn't porn. |
| 00:18.49 | themo|est | goes to the corner so that he doesn't throw a fit over rr and vzn cutting usenet |
| 00:18.50 | dustybin | to access usenet you need to pay |
| 00:18.56 | mohr | you have to pay for unfiltered access |
| 00:19.02 | Nyle | like I said, any free one will have acces to debian newsgroups |
| 00:19.05 | dustybin | all i want is to read text |
| 00:19.08 | mohr | easynews.com is good and cheap |
| 00:19.12 | mohr | and fast |
| 00:19.17 | mohr | plus they support ssl |
| 00:19.18 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 00:19.19 | dustybin | Nyle: any links to a free one? |
| 00:19.23 | Nyle | google! |
| 00:19.28 | dustybin | i tried that no luck |
| 00:19.30 | dustybin | they are all pay for |
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| 00:19.39 | Nyle | http://www.disenter.com/ |
| 00:19.41 | themo|est | dustybin for text only? |
| 00:19.48 | mohr | free ones are slow and filter objectionable content. that might mean linux NGs if you happen to find a server run by Microsoft. |
| 00:19.57 | dustybin | themo|est: yes |
| 00:19.58 | Nyle | Public News Servers automatically trawled and tested every day, and indexed using an online database. The frequency of servers tested per day is dependent on the average availability of each Server, combined with the number of Newsgroups. Each server is checked for the availability of headers, its speed and posting. |
| 00:20.03 | Nyle | tokens. |
| 00:20.03 | themo|est | you obviously didn't look hard enough ... since google runs google groups, which IS usenet |
| 00:20.05 | Nyle | all ya'll :0 |
| 00:20.05 | dustybin | i dont do pr0n |
| 00:20.09 | mohr | point is that "objectionable" is subjective |
| 00:20.28 | dustybin | themo|est: i want something what works with tin |
| 00:20.30 | mohr | try your ISP |
| 00:20.40 | mohr | they often carry a good selection |
| 00:20.41 | dustybin | my ISP doesnt have one :-( |
| 00:20.47 | Tramp | dustybin: doesn't your ISP provide one - maybe just "news.my.provider". Sometimes they don't announce them |
| 00:20.48 | themo|est | otherwise, you can use your isp (if you don't have vzn or rr) or you can get a block account |
| 00:20.55 | dustybin | Tramp: they def dont |
| 00:20.57 | dustybin | O2 |
| 00:21.04 | dustybin | bethere |
| 00:21.12 | Nyle | http://www.newzbot.com/ public usenet resources |
| 00:21.16 | mohr | easynews is $10 and they are lightning fast |
| 00:21.24 | dustybin | mohr: who needs speed for text? |
| 00:21.28 | mohr | how can you beat that?! |
| 00:21.28 | Nyle | WA's List of Open NNTP Sites -- full listing http://www.mipt.vcu.edu/sitelist.html |
| 00:21.29 | themo|est | mohr but they charge monthly |
| 00:21.37 | themo|est | real block accounts don't expire |
| 00:21.41 | Nyle | and son on and so forth... |
| 00:21.43 | mohr | well when the NG you're reading has 2 million + articles |
| 00:21.52 | themo|est | buy 10GB and be good for years if you don't pay for headers |
| 00:22.05 | Nyle | fuck paying for something thats free |
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| 00:22.18 | Nyle | you don't need to pay for nntp to access most debian newsgroups |
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| 00:22.21 | Nyle | FOR FUCKS SAKE. |
| 00:22.33 | dustybin | peope only pay so they can download porn and warez |
| 00:22.40 | dustybin | bandwidth |
| 00:22.40 | mohr | that isn't true |
| 00:22.44 | Nyle | exactly, what i said. debian isn't pron. |
| 00:22.48 | dustybin | aye |
| 00:23.05 | Tramp | dustybin: Not sure if I understood you correctly, but "www.o2.com" points to a server from verio.net - and news.verio.net resolves. |
| 00:23.08 | mohr | I use it to browse the distro mailing lists too |
| 00:23.09 | mohr | err |
| 00:23.11 | mohr | NGs |
| 00:23.14 | dustybin | Tramp: really? |
| 00:23.19 | dustybin | interesting!! |
| 00:23.20 | dustybin | trys |
| 00:23.28 | Tramp | dustybin: no, I'm a pathological lyer |
| 00:23.33 | themo|est | well you said you wanted unfiltered... the debian newsgroups should all be on google groups |
| 00:23.38 | Nyle | liar* |
| 00:24.05 | Tramp | dustybin: I don't know though, if "o2" is just a trademark of verio.net or whatever 8) |
| 00:24.09 | mohr | unfiltered is the only way to go.. because censors don't always agree with you over what is objectionable |
| 00:24.15 | Tramp | Nyle: I'm also a bad speler |
| 00:24.21 | Nyle | speeler/ |
| 00:24.31 | themo|est | http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?lnk=nhpsfg&q=debian&qt_s=Search+for+a+group |
| 00:24.35 | mohr | what if you're doing researcch on virus source code, and want to get into the cracking groups? |
| 00:24.46 | dustybin | tin 1.9.3 release 20080506 ("Dalintober") [UNIX] (c) Copyright 1991-2008 Iain Lea. |
| 00:24.49 | dustybin | Connecting to news.verio.net... |
| 00:24.55 | mohr | there are hundreds of reasons to want unfiltered access |
| 00:24.57 | dustybin | nothing happens |
| 00:25.00 | Nyle | then you don't study virus you study self replicating code theory and application |
| 00:25.11 | Nyle | once you understand that, you can use it for destructive purposes or constructive |
| 00:25.50 | mohr | Nyle: point being that censors are never good. I'm not advocating "porn", I'm advocating free access |
| 00:25.55 | mohr | never. |
| 00:26.06 | Nyle | I'm advocating saving the 10$ for beer! |
| 00:26.13 | mohr | haha great |
| 00:26.24 | mohr | that is ALSO a good use of $10 :)) |
| 00:26.37 | Nyle | or back in my stoning days a dime of weed |
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| 00:28.08 | TheMadHat- | im trying to get wireless internet working with a laptop running debian, i type iwconfig and it lists eth2 as IEEE 802.11b/s ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4306", what do i do to get myself connected? i use WEP if that helps |
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| 00:28.48 | Nyle | I have that same chip |
| 00:29.00 | Nyle | I use bcm4306 on 2.6.18 |
| 00:29.13 | TheMadHat- | so what do i do? |
| 00:29.20 | TheMadHat- | im new to linux, i just intalled it |
| 00:29.31 | TheMadHat- | i have used linux on a server before, through ssh |
| 00:29.34 | TheMadHat- | but it was already set up |
| 00:29.39 | Nyle | you've installed the firmware |
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| 00:29.54 | TheMadHat- | was that a question? |
| 00:29.56 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that udev and initrd relieve the user from having to back up /dev? |
| 00:30.00 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:30.03 | Nyle | !broadcom |
| 00:30.04 | dpkg | i guess broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43> |
| 00:30.06 | TheMadHat- | i dont think i did |
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| 00:30.15 | Nyle | !b43 |
| 00:30.15 | dpkg | i heard b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 00:30.24 | Wyzard | kingsley: Yes, it's populated dynamically at boot time based on hardware detection |
| 00:30.30 | TheMadHat- | apt-get install b43-fwcutter? |
| 00:30.34 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:31.27 | TheMadHat- | couldnt find package? |
| 00:31.33 | Wyzard | kingsley: though there's generally still a "static /dev" hidden below the dynamic one, though afaik it isn't used for anything (unless udev doesn't run for some reason, I guess) |
| 00:31.42 | Nyle | its not in debian main |
| 00:31.46 | Nyle | add non-free |
| 00:31.56 | TheMadHat- | howto? |
| 00:32.00 | Nyle | !non-free |
| 00:32.01 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:32.15 | kingsley | Wyzard: It's interesting that you mention the subdirectory .static/dev |
| 00:32.34 | Nyle | TheMadHat-, in your /etc/apt/sources.list add contrib non-free after etch main |
| 00:32.41 | Wyzard | kingsley: That's not really a subdirectory, it's a clever bind-mount trick |
| 00:32.59 | kingsley | Wyzard: .static/dev is precisely what wasn't backed up. |
| 00:33.00 | Wyzard | kingsley: That's the directory that's actually called /dev on your disk-based filesystem |
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| 00:33.10 | Wyzard | kingsley: udev mounts a tempfs on top of it |
| 00:33.16 | alaya | is there a command to print the arch of a system? |
| 00:33.24 | Nyle | alaya, man uname |
| 00:33.31 | alaya | Nyle: did. nothing. |
| 00:33.35 | kingsley | Wyzard: Very interesting.... |
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| 00:33.38 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:33.59 | kingsley | Wyzard: Can you elaborate on what kind of elaborate bind-mount trick is used? |
| 00:34.09 | alaya | Nyle: there is no switch for arch |
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| 00:34.18 | Nyle | alaya, -p? -m? |
| 00:34.25 | Nyle | try -a for all |
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| 00:34.41 | alaya | Nyle: # uname -p |
| 00:34.42 | alaya | unknown |
| 00:34.53 | alaya | Nyle: -a does not output the arch |
| 00:34.54 | Nyle | alaya, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:34.59 | Wyzard | kingsley: I believe it works by bind-mounting /dev to somewhere else prior to mounting the tmpfs over it, then creating the .static/dev directory in the tmpfs, then using "mount --move" to relocate the bind-mount to that directory |
| 00:34.59 | TheMadHat- | Nyle: deb or deb-src line? |
| 00:35.05 | Nyle | TheMadHat-, deb |
| 00:35.22 | Nyle | deb http://blah.blah/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:35.24 | Nyle | like that |
| 00:35.30 | alaya | Nyle: that's not a good way |
| 00:35.46 | Nyle | alaya, what do you have? |
| 00:35.52 | Nyle | I'm curious why its listed as unknown |
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| 00:35.52 | TheMadHat- | no such file or directory |
| 00:35.53 | Wyzard | kingsley: The end result is a bind-mount of (disk-based)dev on (tmpfs-based)dev/.static/dev |
| 00:36.09 | Nyle | !tell TheMadHat- -about soruces.list |
| 00:36.16 | Nyle | !tell TheMadHat- -about soruces |
| 00:36.21 | Nyle | sone of a bitch |
| 00:36.38 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:36.58 | Nyle | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:37.07 | Nyle | something like that |
| 00:37.14 | TheMadHat- | add that to the current one or make a new line? |
| 00:37.25 | Nyle | seriously... |
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| 00:37.36 | Nyle | compare the two lines |
| 00:37.56 | Nyle | append contrib non-free at the end of your original line |
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| 00:38.02 | TheMadHat- | i did that |
| 00:38.09 | TheMadHat- | it told me it couldnt be found |
| 00:38.15 | kingsley | Wyzard: That's really interesting. I was wondering why the whole directory was missing from the backup. I don't understand it all yet, but missing a directory that used a bind-mount trick is an odd coincidence. |
| 00:38.30 | Nyle | TheMadHat-, did you apt-get update? |
| 00:38.54 | Nyle | TheMadHat-, you have to update the package list after you modify the soruces.list file |
| 00:38.59 | TheMadHat- | yes i did |
| 00:39.05 | Wyzard | kingsley: The backup was probably done with a "don't descend into other mounted filesystems" option |
| 00:39.26 | Wyzard | kingsley: which is generally the right thing to do, since you don't want to try to back up /proc and such, but that also means it stops at /dev and doesn't look within it |
| 00:39.52 | Nyle | !+info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 00:39.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 00:40.18 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 00:40.59 | feroz | Thnanks guys |
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| 00:41.26 | TheMadHat- | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:41.30 | TheMadHat- | thats the line i changed |
| 00:41.33 | TheMadHat- | and then i ran |
| 00:41.35 | TheMadHat- | apt-get update |
| 00:41.38 | TheMadHat- | then i typed |
| 00:41.38 | Wyzard | kingsley: You can work around that: make a temporary mountpoint directory somewhere -- say, /mnt/tmp -- then "mount --bind / /mnt/tmp", then do your backup rooted in /mnt/tmp |
| 00:41.43 | TheMadHat- | apt-get install b43-fwcutter |
| 00:42.09 | Wyzard | kingsley: That bind-mount gives you a view of the root filesystem that's free of any other filesystems that might be mounted on top of it |
| 00:42.29 | kingsley | Wyzard: Your guess is reasonable, but if I were to play the devil's advocate, I might mention that cron runs the backup automatically, and this is a new bug that appeared spontaneously, so I doubt a new descent option was specified. |
| 00:42.40 | Wyzard | kingsley: e.g. you see the real disk-based /dev, the empty /proc that procfs is normally mounted on top of, etc. |
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| 00:43.23 | Wyzard | kingsley: I have no idea what backup tool you're using or how it works, or whether it's successfully backed up /dev/.static/dev for you in the past (maybe it's always had this "problem") |
| 00:43.45 | kingsley | Wyzard: It's a new problem. |
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| 00:45.20 | TheMadHat- | Nyle: you there? |
| 00:45.21 | Alfarin | I can't seem to find a php5 ldap support package... does that mean I will need to custom compile my own php? |
| 00:45.52 | Nyle | not really |
| 00:45.56 | Nyle | my back hurts a lot |
| 00:45.57 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:46.02 | Alfarin | nevermind, I was blind... |
| 00:46.11 | Wyzard | Alfarin: There's a php5-ldap |
| 00:46.24 | Wyzard | Alfarin: but even if there wasn't, the most you'd have to compile is the php-ldap module, not PHP itself |
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| 00:46.29 | TheMadHat- | Nyle: ah, i have a bad shoulder :(, i have done everything so far but no worky |
| 00:46.36 | Luch | Hey |
| 00:46.49 | Nyle | yeh its my left shoulder |
| 00:46.53 | TheMadHat- | same |
| 00:46.56 | Nyle | its like someone is poking a needle in it |
| 00:46.58 | Nyle | HOT! |
| 00:46.58 | Luch | I need some help installing my USB modem... I have problems with the ppp, can anyone help me, please? :) |
| 00:47.02 | kingsley | Wyzard: I sense that our dialog may be reaching the point of diminishing returns, and I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for sharing your detailed thoughts. |
| 00:47.09 | TheMadHat- | mine is just tight, it hurts to extend |
| 00:47.14 | Wyzard | kingsley: You're welcome |
| 00:47.25 | Nyle | !Wyzard++ |
| 00:49.18 | TheMadHat- | Nyle: http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/index.html, b43 isnt in that list, is it somewhere else? |
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| 00:49.30 | Nyle | bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 00:49.31 | Nyle | bro man dude |
| 00:49.37 | Nyle | c'mon I use the bot too |
| 00:49.42 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:50.03 | Luch | hey guys, does anyone know something about usb modems? :) |
| 00:50.08 | Alfarin | hm... interesting... apparently my datacenter setup my server to use another repository instead of debian official... which is why dpkg wasn't giving me the php5-ldap package... |
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| 00:50.25 | TheMadHat- | bcm5700 is there, but not 43xx |
| 00:50.29 | p0rt | what's the fastest desktop? xfce? |
| 00:50.42 | Nyle | p0rt, console |
| 00:51.01 | Nyle | screen is kinda like a window manager |
| 00:51.16 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | methinks xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 00:51.48 | amphi | p0rt: do you _need_ a 'desktop'? otherwise a lightweight wm like openbox might be good |
| 00:52.07 | amphi | p0rt: you can always run some panel, if req'd |
| 00:52.13 | p0rt | amphi: not sure. i need to run a graphical web browser (gnlinks doesn't cut it) |
| 00:52.25 | Nyle | try the website |
| 00:52.37 | p0rt | Nyle: i have nothing now ;) |
| 00:52.51 | Nyle | seriously it helps as it has convineient links to thier sites and features |
| 00:53.00 | Nyle | soblue, all yo'lll lack is the screenshot |
| 00:53.06 | Nyle | fuck.asdj;flaksdjfasdf |
| 00:53.16 | Nyle | so<comm> |
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| 00:53.50 | Nyle | 08:53 completion_auto = OFF |
| 00:53.51 | p0rt | what's the difference between a window manager, and an enviornment? |
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| 00:53.57 | Nyle | no idea how the hell it got set in the first place |
| 00:54.03 | Nyle | seriously irritating |
| 00:54.14 | p0rt | nyle: and what was that website again? |
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| 00:54.25 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 00:54.26 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 00:54.55 | Nyle | im just short tonight |
| 00:55.16 | Nyle | i think im irritable cuz of my shoulder and also cuz im sick im gonna go relax and watch a movie |
| 00:57.01 | Nyle | Ignores people bringin up boring/repeated subjects, plus replies. armeija.pl |
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| 00:57.16 | Nyle | heh, how does a script know what is boring? |
| 00:58.06 | Nyle | bye bye |
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| 01:07.57 | TheMadHat- | my current debian install has the 2.6.13-6 kernel, how do i upgrade this to the newest one? |
| 01:08.13 | p0rt | TheMadeHat - i think you can just do an 'aptitude full-upgrdade' |
| 01:08.17 | p0rt | *sp |
| 01:09.03 | TheMadHat- | invalid option |
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| 01:21.55 | karma_ | Hello! After non-clean reboot my system have went into kernel panic "not syncing: No init found.". I've booted from rescue disk and forced fsck on root partition - no errors at all and i still cannot boot. Some advices? |
| 01:22.32 | dondelelcaro | karma_: that generally means that you aren't specifying the right root= option, or your initrd is unable to mount your root filesystem. |
| 01:23.30 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: it was ok before reboot, i hadn't changed anything and I can mount root partition from rescue disc |
| 01:23.44 | dondelelcaro | karma_: uh... clearly something changed |
| 01:24.32 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: an fsck doesn't report any error on it, even after i forced it |
| 01:24.45 | dondelelcaro | karma_: fsck has nothing to do with it. |
| 01:24.57 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: what can i do now? |
| 01:25.28 | dondelelcaro | karma_: if you give us the entire string of output from initrd, we may be able to tell you. |
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| 01:25.54 | dondelelcaro | karma_: but your problem is one of the two things that I've already stated: 1) you don't have the right root= option, 2) your initrd is unable to mount it |
| 01:26.02 | karma_ | Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
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| 01:28.09 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: my grub's menu.lst looks untouched, like it was before |
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| 01:29.44 | karma_ | when i'm trying to chroot there i get |
| 01:29.51 | karma_ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Accessing a corrupted shared library |
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| 01:38.18 | bokey | are we getting www.use.debian soon or what? |
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| 01:39.40 | helo | we better get www.debian.doesnotsuck too |
| 01:39.51 | bokey | hehe |
| 01:40.17 | helo | we need to pool our resources and buy .suck too, for obvious marketing reasons... |
| 01:40.28 | dvs | What a load of hooey those new domains are. |
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| 01:41.31 | grendal_prime | portforwarding via ssh.. |
| 01:41.32 | helo | it seems like there should have been some kind of request for comments and open public debate on such a big decision... |
| 01:41.33 | pinnen | what package in debian etch replaces kudzu ? |
| 01:41.35 | bokey | sooner or later, we'll have one os flaming another.. domain flamers! |
| 01:41.37 | bokey | :D |
| 01:41.39 | grendal_prime | why am i not getting this...it seems so simple.. |
| 01:41.44 | grendal_prime | i had it working the other day to |
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| 01:42.03 | karma_ | Also, it seems that some kernel messages like "Freeing unused kernel memory:.." in latest kernels are stripped, is it possible to get them back? |
| 01:42.06 | helo | ssh -L 80:remotehost:80 -l username -N remotehost |
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| 01:43.56 | helo | if i apt-get build-dep package; apt-get source package; then modify some files in the package/ dir, will apt-get -b package then build a .deb with my changes? |
| 01:47.31 | grendal_prime | ya helo i get this.. |
| 01:47.33 | grendal_prime | open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
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| 01:51.01 | helo | what port are you tunneling? |
| 01:51.07 | grendal_prime | 10000 |
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| 01:51.57 | helo | are you the admin of the remote box? i think there is a sshd_config option that restricts tunneling... not sure |
| 01:52.05 | grendal_prime | i dont know i got to go ...family is waiting.. |
| 01:52.08 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 01:52.29 | helo | AllowTCPForwarding |
| 01:52.45 | helo | AllowTcpForwarding, rather |
| 01:52.58 | grendal_prime | cool thanks |
| 01:53.06 | helo | it should default to on though... |
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| 01:53.47 | dondelelcaro | helo: no, but fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; would. |
| 01:53.52 | dondelelcaro | helo: what exactly are you changing, though? |
| 01:54.06 | grendal_prime | sshd.config..cause i dont see that line in there anyway. |
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| 01:56.53 | grendal_prime | ya no dice on that |
| 01:56.57 | grendal_prime | type at ya later dude |
| 01:56.58 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 01:57.42 | helo | dondelelcaro: i'm having some trouble getting pxe booting to work, and i'm wondering if my dhcpd is sending the filename to the requesting clients... so i was going to put some debugging printfs in dhcp3-server to try to narrow the problem down |
| 01:58.14 | punzada | so need some help brainstorming here: I have this old system, p2 with a tiny hard drive, trying to slap debian on it, issue is: both the floppy drive and cd drives are shot, and the bios doesn't allow net installs, i've tried dd'ing and copying over the netinst cd and setting a partition bootable on the hard drive on a seperate pc, but the system just hangs, any advice or should I just give this up? |
| 01:58.46 | Baloo | punzada: Spend the $5 at a garage sale to get a working CD ROM? |
| 01:58.56 | punzada | :| |
| 01:59.05 | helo | do you have a thumb drive? |
| 01:59.16 | punzada | doesn't boot from usb either helo, it's old |
| 01:59.17 | Baloo | helo: Good luck booting from USB on a P2 |
| 02:00.21 | helo | can you pxe boot? |
| 02:01.27 | punzada | nope |
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| 02:02.03 | punzada | i figured it's a lost cause unless i hooked up some more hardware too it |
| 02:02.28 | punzada | I think the floppy may work and I only have bad floppies -- the one I have boots but then fails upon trying to read further files from it ;x |
| 02:02.37 | punzada | the others don't work entirely |
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| 02:03.38 | phorce1 | punzada: If you have another PC there that's open enough to be hooking up the hard drive from this one then just borrow the CDRom from that computer to do the install then move it back. |
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| 02:04.28 | punzada | phorce1, I considered that, but the cd drive in the other pc is locked in their solid, and i'm pretty sure over time the case has bent around it slightly |
| 02:04.40 | punzada | it's locked in there and I dont want to force it further then I already have tried. |
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| 02:04.50 | helo | you're getting it from all angles, heh |
| 02:04.59 | phorce1 | Move the P2 close enough to stretch the ide cable into the other box. |
| 02:05.05 | punzada | lol |
| 02:05.10 | punzada | hmm |
| 02:05.21 | punzada | that would be massively tricky but might work |
| 02:05.34 | phorce1 | has had to do some odd things to get old hardware working for customers |
| 02:05.38 | doubleoh | Anyone experienced getting Windows XP to run on a Sata drive when copied from an EIDE drive (the copy was made using a build of partimage) |
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| 02:06.01 | doubleoh | It refuses to boot, when a Sata drive is attached. |
| 02:07.17 | grul | isn't this #debian? anyway, windows xp has support for sata in later service packs, 2 or 3 i think. I'm not sure about 2, but it definitely should work in Sp3 |
| 02:07.51 | phorce1 | I keep an old 4X IDE CDRom on the shelf to stick in systems with bad/missing CD drives and I used to use it for the odd 386 or 486 that wouldn't work with a faster drive. Don't see those much anymore. |
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| 02:11.09 | doubleoh | grul: Thanks, I will update the OS to SP3 and then copy over via partimage and try it out. Debian seemed like the most logical place to ask. I have been googling for an hour. |
| 02:15.14 | nvz | ugh, I hate pidgin more every day I use it |
| 02:15.25 | punzada | i love pidgin |
| 02:15.27 | nvz | this whole not scrolling crap is really pissing me off |
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| 02:15.49 | nvz | it seems like if it loses focus for long periods of time it stops scrolling |
| 02:16.01 | nvz | not to mention the tab completion is r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d |
| 02:16.11 | grul | licks nvz |
| 02:16.22 | nvz | why in the hell would I possibly want it to show a list of nicks when I tab |
| 02:16.30 | punzada | oh, don't use pidgin for irc :| |
| 02:16.38 | grul | sry, i typed ret<rab> and it ended up as nvz |
| 02:16.40 | nvz | the whole point of tab completion is to not have to continue to type anything |
| 02:16.45 | grul | i mean ret<tab> |
| 02:17.00 | nvz | grul: heh |
| 02:17.17 | grul | sorry, my sense of humor + alcohol => bad results |
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| 02:17.51 | liable | heh |
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| 02:35.28 | p0rt | i installed ndiswrapper-common, but when i go to modprobe it can't find module ndiswrapper |
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| 02:45.00 | p0rt | how do i make sure modprobe load ndiswrapper every boot? |
| 02:45.20 | Baloo | p0rt: Add it to /etc/modules, eh? |
| 02:46.09 | p0rt | Baloo: thnx |
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| 02:51.03 | DogBoy | when I use vi on etch is it really vim and what do I do to get it working a bit better? |
| 02:51.24 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: if you've installed vim it is. |
| 02:51.40 | DogBoy | would that be what I would need to do? |
| 02:51.45 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: otherwise, it could be nvi or vim-tiny, or whatever else. |
| 02:51.51 | DogBoy | oh let's see |
| 02:51.53 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: install vim, and set the alternative for vi to vim. |
| 02:52.05 | DogBoy | eh? |
| 02:52.11 | DogBoy | I know how to install vim but |
| 02:52.57 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: update-alternatives --config vim; |
| 02:53.04 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: man update-alternatives; for details |
| 02:53.21 | DogBoy | thank you |
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| 03:00.47 | punzada | yay i managed to gut the cd drive from the old pc and it's installing now :) |
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| 03:05.31 | s0lid | where can i find the logfiles for the cron in debian etch? |
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| 03:06.56 | Baloo | s0lid: grep cron /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:16.06 | s0lid | Baloo, tnx |
| 03:16.38 | s0lid | Baloo, is there other places that it's dedicated for cron only |
| 03:17.07 | Baloo | s0lid: What are you trying to find? |
| 03:17.20 | s0lid | Baloo, just for the logs of cron |
| 03:17.33 | Baloo | s0lid: Just the logs, or output from the programs? |
| 03:18.03 | s0lid | Baloo, output from the cron |
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| 03:18.23 | s0lid | Baloo, like in RH it's in /var/log/cron |
| 03:19.06 | Baloo | s0lid: Oh. Well, why duplicate the same log twice? Just grep cron /var/log/syslog... if you really really need another file, then grep cron /var/log/syslog > /tmp/cron.log |
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| 03:22.45 | s0lid | Baloo, hmmm that's a good idea thank you very much! |
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| 03:30.38 | beardy | Reading 'man 5 syslog.conf' would also work. |
| 03:32.31 | Madhat | how do i know which iso to get? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/iso-cd/ there are 30 of them :P |
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| 03:33.12 | dryrot | what kind of computer do you have ? |
| 03:33.16 | Madhat | ppc |
| 03:33.21 | Madhat | its an old one |
| 03:33.25 | Madhat | i want to try debian |
| 03:33.32 | ddalton | how do I install lame? I can't find it in apt... anyone know the package that contains lame? |
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| 03:33.43 | Madhat | but i need a newer kernel for my wifi driver |
| 03:33.56 | liable | ddalton: in the debian-multimedia repo |
| 03:33.59 | dryrot | why don't you grab http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-40r3-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 03:34.31 | dryrot | is the wifi driver in weekly-builds powerpc ? |
| 03:34.50 | ddalton | liable: what's that? is it on the same servers as normal packages? ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 03:35.16 | Madhat | i need 2.6.21+ for the driver to work |
| 03:35.18 | liable | ddalton: the old marillat repo, debian-multimedia.org |
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| 03:35.23 | liable | !marillat |
| 03:35.24 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 03:35.53 | Nyle | liable, |
| 03:36.11 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.25 | liable | mm |
| 03:36.27 | Madhat | dryrot: what kernel does that release have? |
| 03:36.32 | ddalton | thanks |
| 03:36.36 | Nyle | ddalton, hi |
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| 03:41.54 | poseidon | The people over in #java are saying java is fully open source now. I notice that it is packaged as non-free, however. Is this because it conflicts with debians idea of non free, or is there something I'm missing? |
| 03:42.25 | wols | Madhat: etchnhalf or kmuto |
| 03:42.55 | Madhat | huh? |
| 03:42.56 | wols | poseidon: it's not full open source and back when java was packaged for etch it was even less so |
| 03:42.59 | ddalton | what url can I add to sources.list for this debian-media site? |
| 03:43.24 | ddalton | debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:43.30 | ddalton | is the site im talking about |
| 03:43.31 | poseidon | wols, they say that now it is "full" open source. Is it that new that it's not on testing/unstable yet? |
| 03:43.44 | wols | it's not. some headers are not GPLed |
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| 03:44.47 | liable | ddalton: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main |
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| 03:45.31 | ddalton | thanks |
| 03:45.50 | liable | you need the key too |
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| 03:46.06 | liable | instructions on the page of the site |
| 03:46.23 | jesse | is there a way to remove all packages that were automatically installed to satisfy recommendations (not dependencies)? |
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| 03:47.49 | Relentless | Hello, I have a quick question I have looked and looked. Where would I find something on how to switch from centos or like os to debian |
| 03:48.11 | DogBoy | btw what's up with the time zone chooser widget? is that a gnome question? |
| 03:48.20 | DogBoy | like nobody in texas uses linux |
| 03:48.22 | liable | Relentless: you cant switch, you need to reinstall |
| 03:48.37 | jesse | DogBoy: i think thats a gnome Q |
| 03:48.39 | jesse | liable: lol |
| 03:48.40 | Relentless | Its on a VPS? |
| 03:48.54 | DogBoy | every time I use that thing I have to pretend I either live in north dakota or mexico |
| 03:49.23 | jesse | DogBoy: as long as its the right time zone it doesnt matter, right? |
| 03:49.25 | Nyle | hey i think i finally did it a good one |
| 03:49.30 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/pics/debian_bg_with_logo_2_1.1214624926.jpg check this out |
| 03:49.38 | DogBoy | try saying that to a texan |
| 03:49.41 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_2_1.jpg <-- that |
| 03:49.49 | Nyle | DogBoy, I louisianan! |
| 03:49.55 | Nyle | you neighbour |
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| 03:50.42 | Nyle | this time i make crip/clear debian logo in the thing |
| 03:51.09 | DogBoy | I don't know what kind of daylight savings time they have in north dakota or mexico city |
| 03:51.19 | Nyle | regular time |
| 03:51.49 | Nyle | whats special with nd or mc |
| 03:51.57 | DogBoy | I like that logo |
| 03:52.13 | DogBoy | nd or mc show up on that time zone switcher widget |
| 03:52.15 | Nyle | me too |
| 03:52.18 | DogBoy | houston does not |
| 03:52.44 | Nyle | every 15 degree longitude you are off by 1 hour |
| 03:52.55 | Nyle | so every 1 degree you are 15/60 off |
| 03:53.02 | Nyle | thts a lot of time to be off |
| 03:53.07 | Nyle | isn't it? |
| 03:53.19 | DogBoy | I don't know |
| 03:53.26 | DogBoy | I guess I should bitch about it in gnome |
| 03:53.28 | Nyle | I mean houston from louisiana baton rouge islike 2 min or 3 min diff |
| 03:53.30 | Nyle | at least |
| 03:53.33 | Nyle | but both re in central |
| 03:53.42 | Nyle | thats inaccurate and fucked up |
| 03:53.44 | DogBoy | everytime I see that thing it reminds me of some of the lamer things in windows |
| 03:53.47 | Nyle | but thats what we do so whatever |
| 03:54.09 | DogBoy | like the tiny characters on the calculator |
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| 03:55.29 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_red.jpg |
| 03:55.49 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_grey.jpg |
| 03:55.53 | Nyle | have fun |
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| 03:59.44 | DogBoy | louisiana is more than two minutes time different from houston |
| 04:00.00 | DogBoy | more like a couple centuries |
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| 04:00.12 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:00.18 | DogBoy | j/k Nyle |
| 04:00.22 | Nyle | old == gold |
| 04:00.24 | Nyle | buddy! |
| 04:00.25 | Nyle | :) |
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| 04:04.12 | piju | hello |
| 04:04.30 | piju | i pressed ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 04:04.36 | piju | but i didnt see any login |
| 04:04.45 | piju | why could this happen ? |
| 04:04.51 | Relentless | try crt atl f2 |
| 04:04.53 | piju | i just updated my debian |
| 04:05.05 | piju | ctrl alt f2 also cannot |
| 04:05.27 | piju | 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:05.33 | Relentless | Sound to me like a ID-10-t issue |
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| 04:05.50 | piju | Relentless; can u help me ? |
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| 04:09.37 | Nyle | piju, what video driver do you use? |
| 04:09.47 | Nyle | do you know? |
| 04:09.49 | piju | Nyle; intel |
| 04:10.02 | Nyle | you are running testing |
| 04:10.41 | Nyle | have you checked the bug tracker for any bugs filed on the intel video driver regarding that behaviour? |
| 04:10.51 | Nyle | (it seems to me like its a video driver goof) |
| 04:11.09 | piju | Nyle; yes, when i login to X, i show somekind of bugs |
| 04:11.18 | piju | green colored box |
| 04:11.36 | Nyle | piju, lcd monitor or CRT monitor? |
| 04:11.42 | piju | Nyle; laptop monitor |
| 04:11.50 | piju | im on my laptop now |
| 04:11.56 | Nyle | lcd type |
| 04:12.13 | Nyle | use vesa driver |
| 04:12.29 | Nyle | see if you can reproduce this behaviour with that driver |
| 04:12.45 | Nyle | quick way to eliminate the video driver problem if it that |
| 04:13.24 | piju | can i use compiz with vesa driver ? |
| 04:13.29 | piju | im using compiz now |
| 04:13.31 | Nyle | unfortunately no |
| 04:13.36 | piju | oh no |
| 04:13.40 | piju | but i want compiz |
| 04:14.06 | Nyle | how did you get compiz? |
| 04:14.17 | ameyer | *headdesk* |
| 04:14.56 | piju | Nyle; shame repo |
| 04:15.09 | ameyer | you'd be switching to vesa only to narrow down the issue, not necessarily as a permanent solutionm |
| 04:15.12 | Nyle | piju, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 04:15.42 | ameyer | although, would you rather have a working system without compiz or a f**ked system with it? |
| 04:16.19 | piju | selena:/home/piju# apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 04:16.19 | piju | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.19 | piju | selena:/home/piju# |
| 04:16.42 | Nyle | so its is testing |
| 04:16.52 | piju | yes, im using testing |
| 04:16.56 | ameyer | actually, I find xserver-xorg-video-intel incredibly buggy on my desktop with the 845 chipet, although it's ok at times |
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| 04:17.18 | DrAkOdE | helo! |
| 04:17.19 | DrAkOdE | look at this blog, I think it is on the right track, has good manuals and several more things ... www.blackxploit.blogspot.com (look at this blog, I think it is on the right track, has good manuals and several more things ...) |
| 04:17.32 | ameyer | on my EEE, it's got bugs, but they're not that bad |
| 04:17.33 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 04:17.41 | Nyle | DrAkOdE, . |
| 04:17.42 | liable | DrAkOdE: go away |
| 04:17.55 | ameyer | worst is that supertuxkart sometimes crashes X |
| 04:17.59 | Nyle | fucking ad revene generating spammer! |
| 04:18.04 | ameyer | nothing that takes the kernel out too |
| 04:18.12 | ameyer | that I've seen |
| 04:18.28 | piju | Nyle; can u help ? |
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| 04:18.40 | Nyle | piju, you don't want to be helped. |
| 04:18.58 | piju | sorry about that |
| 04:19.08 | piju | what do u want me to do now ?? |
| 04:19.32 | Nyle | use the vesa driver and see if you can get a login screen that way. I assume you know how to change video drivers through xorg.conf? |
| 04:19.48 | piju | i saw something error at my kernel boot |
| 04:19.49 | Nyle | then restart X and try to ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 04:19.55 | piju | it said something with alsa |
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| 04:20.01 | piju | but my sound works well |
| 04:20.05 | wols | !ops DrAkOdE is spamming |
| 04:20.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: DrAkOdE is spamming |
| 04:20.07 | Nyle | you are making this difficult... |
| 04:20.25 | Nyle | piju, worry about one thing at a time please. |
| 04:20.38 | piju | Nyle; ok, i try now |
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| 04:23.13 | wols | thanks PeturICELAND |
| 04:23.19 | wols | peterS rather |
| 04:23.35 | Nyle | peterS, ! |
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| 04:23.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:23.51 | wols | Nyle: relax, he's just a zombie. nothing to worry about |
| 04:24.04 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 04:24.16 | Nyle | Cranberries right |
| 04:24.34 | Nyle | Zombie, zombie, zombie eehi eehi eehi eeeeeee |
| 04:25.39 | Nyle | !seen bob2 |
| 04:25.39 | dpkg | Nyle: i haven't seen 'bob2' |
| 04:25.48 | Nyle | damn has it been that long? |
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| 04:26.11 | liable | years |
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| 04:27.40 | Nyle | hm |
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| 04:31.08 | owen1 | i installed usbmount. where is my ipod folder? |
| 04:31.30 | seeds | might be in media folder |
| 04:32.07 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.08 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:32.11 | wols | owen1: "mount" |
| 04:32.36 | Nyle | Guerin, I am actually talking to a german legend on facebook |
| 04:32.44 | Nyle | one of the best axemen to have walked this earth |
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| 04:32.51 | Nyle | Muhammad Suicmez! |
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| 04:32.54 | Nyle | yay |
| 04:33.03 | wols | a german? |
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| 04:33.07 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:33.11 | Nyle | muslim too |
| 04:33.17 | Nyle | founder of Necrophagist |
| 04:33.21 | Nyle | www.necrophagist.de |
| 04:33.31 | owen1 | wols: mount is the folder name? |
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| 04:34.28 | Guerin | owen1: no, mount is a command |
| 04:34.40 | Guerin | `man mount' will tell you |
| 04:35.00 | owen1 | Guerin: do i need to use it in addition to usbmount package? |
| 04:35.15 | Guerin | owen1: it does different things |
| 04:35.40 | Guerin | if you want to do things usbmount does, then no. If you want to do things mount does but usbmount doesn't, then yes, you do. |
| 04:36.08 | owen1 | Guerin: i know that with mount i can mount my ipod. i thought usbmount will do it for me. |
| 04:36.38 | Guerin | owen1: you want to find where it's mounted, right? |
| 04:36.44 | wols | owen1: mount does more than that. why not follow Guerin's advice? |
| 04:37.19 | owen1 | wols: Guerin: ok. so your advice is to use mount instead of usbmount or in addition to? |
| 04:37.53 | wols | our advice is to read manuals. great things those manpages. awesome even |
| 04:37.55 | Guerin | owen1: my advice is to read `man mount' and see if that does what you want it to do. Repeat for usbmount. |
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| 04:38.49 | owen1 | Guerin: ok |
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| 04:49.31 | Nyle | Guerin, msg |
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| 04:52.03 | dangergrrl | does someone here know how to extract the scripts (pre,post install) from a binary .deb? dpkg-deb --extract doesn´t get them |
| 04:52.14 | wols | dangergrrl: #ubuntu |
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| 04:53.23 | dangergrrl | i did google it first, but google is not helpful and my other machines run lenny and sid this machine isn´t mine |
| 04:53.59 | wols | yes, and my othre machine runs windows HPA for clustering |
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| 04:54.57 | dangergrrl | well, i know how to get the scripts from the source package but i was hoping not to have to do that |
| 04:55.50 | deadcat | whats a good alternative mp3 player to playmp3list? the version in unstable crashes. i am using the one from old stable and it uses too much cpu |
| 04:55.55 | dangergrrl | never mind, i´ll pack this stuff and mess with the source package tomorrow |
| 04:57.07 | liable | dangergrrl: -e option? you can unpack with ar too |
| 04:57.32 | dangergrrl | oh, it is an ar... that will help |
| 04:57.33 | dangergrrl | thx |
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| 04:58.19 | jackpot_2001 | hey guys... how do i force logrotation for syslog |
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| 04:59.27 | jackpot_2001 | my syslog log files are filling up disk space.. |
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| 05:00.10 | foutrelis | jackpot_2001, add an entry in /etc/logrotate.d/ .-. |
| 05:00.27 | Bushmills | jackpot_2001: i suppose you;d change rotation condition in /etc/logrotate.d/... to less than current file size, and execute the /etc/cron.d/logrotate script |
| 05:00.29 | liable | just run it manually. |
| 05:01.43 | Bushmills | if "force rotation" is meant to mean "rotate it now, no matter how big it is" |
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| 05:04.00 | jackpot_2001 | i want to rotate it now.... |
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| 05:04.46 | jackpot_2001 | but i don't see any entry for syslog in /etc/logrotate.d |
| 05:05.36 | punzada | Hey, anyone know -- on my local net I have two ubuntu machines, just added a debian box, for the ubuntu machines I can connect to the others by their hostname but for the debian box i have to use it's IP, anyone know what I have to config to change that? |
| 05:06.00 | punzada | (ssh from ubu to the deb box) |
| 05:06.40 | wols | punzada: the name to your DNS server |
| 05:06.40 | liable | put it in your hosts file |
| 05:07.01 | wols | if you use the hosts file you have to do it on all 3 PCs |
| 05:07.08 | foutrelis | jackpot_2001, my bad, see /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd and /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd |
| 05:07.14 | nickrud | punzada or add xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <debianboxname> to /etc/hosts on the ubuntu machines |
| 05:07.21 | punzada | ah, true |
| 05:07.22 | punzada | ty |
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| 05:09.20 | visof | hello |
| 05:09.49 | Petterson | I`m trying to use apache2 (debian distro) with mod_proxy_ajp ... does anybody here knows what is: Operation Failed javax.rmi.ServerException IOE ... connection refused ... |
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| 05:09.52 | Petterson | hello visof |
| 05:10.04 | visof | how can i install deb packages? |
| 05:10.09 | visof | command line |
| 05:10.28 | PhrkOnLsh | visof man dpkg |
| 05:10.33 | PhrkOnLsh | man apt |
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| 05:12.18 | jackpot_2001 | thanks |
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| 05:13.58 | miksuh | visof: apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, synaptic |
| 05:14.25 | miksuh | etc |
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| 05:15.04 | miksuh | ah ffrom commandline, then forget synaptic |
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| 05:17.17 | Supaplex | !shoot gui-powered-package-managers |
| 05:17.18 | dpkg | blows gui-powered-package-managers away with a BFG 9000 |
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| 05:20.07 | Nyle | damn |
| 05:20.11 | Nyle | thats a big fucking gun! |
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| 05:20.20 | n-iCe | p0p |
| 05:20.30 | Nyle | n-iCe, gu |
| 05:20.40 | Nyle | n-iCe, http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_2_1.jpg |
| 05:20.43 | Nyle | I got something for ya |
| 05:20.51 | Nyle | hi res big image with crisp logo |
| 05:21.39 | n-iCe | wow, how do you design it? |
| 05:22.12 | Nyle | gimp |
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| 05:26.20 | Supaplex | shakes his fist at the power co |
| 05:26.39 | Supaplex | well, at least the 7 upses work. :) |
| 05:27.03 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:27.06 | Nyle | I love chics man |
| 05:27.08 | n-iCe | hi :) |
| 05:27.11 | Nyle | they're great |
| 05:27.19 | Nyle | mmm |
| 05:27.40 | Nyle | especially if they know how to cook real well |
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| 05:28.11 | Nyle | you want a man to come stright home after work and not go to bars to drink, cook a good meal! |
| 05:28.14 | Supaplex | well then you're fat until she dies, and then you starve |
| 05:28.14 | Nyle | hah |
| 05:28.16 | Nyle | I love chris rock |
| 05:28.26 | Nyle | he is a funny guy |
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| 05:28.54 | Nyle | a chicken in every pot and a cap in every ass |
| 05:30.44 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 05:32.07 | n-iCe | how can I remove iceweasel and epiphany |
| 05:32.12 | n-iCe | Did not like them :| |
| 05:32.19 | Nyle | you suck! |
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| 05:32.25 | Nyle | aptitude remove blah |
| 05:32.35 | n-iCe | I can't install flash for epiphany |
| 05:32.50 | Nyle | amd75? |
| 05:33.00 | n-iCe | no |
| 05:33.04 | n-iCe | i want firefox anyway |
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| 05:33.12 | wols | n-iCe: the same way you installed them |
| 05:33.24 | n-iCe | wols, i didn't :) |
| 05:33.30 | seeds | flash works for me in epiphany |
| 05:33.33 | Nyle | iceweasel is firefoc |
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| 05:33.50 | n-iCe | Nyle, why does flash ask for the path then :| |
| 05:33.57 | Nyle | what path? |
| 05:34.04 | Nyle | flash installer? |
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| 05:34.06 | n-iCe | firefox or opera path |
| 05:34.10 | n-iCe | no |
| 05:34.18 | Nyle | flash doesn't ask for shit |
| 05:34.22 | n-iCe | it does |
| 05:34.34 | Nyle | you put libflashplayer.so and the .xpm file in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 05:34.37 | Nyle | and call it a day |
| 05:34.48 | Nyle | it works in all mozilla browsers and even khtml konqueror |
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| 05:35.06 | n-iCe | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 05:35.06 | n-iCe | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 05:35.13 | Nyle | or you can install the flashplayer install plugins packae |
| 05:35.16 | Nyle | !flash |
| 05:35.16 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 05:35.21 | Nyle | !adobe flash |
| 05:35.22 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 05:35.28 | Nyle | there you go |
| 05:35.31 | n-iCe | nah |
| 05:35.36 | n-iCe | I want the normal firefo |
| 05:35.39 | n-iCe | firefox |
| 05:35.59 | owen1 | i type mount -l -t usbfs and get this: procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) when i go there i see a few folders 001 002 003...but i don't see my ipod. any clue? |
| 05:36.00 | Nyle | you will not find support here |
| 05:36.17 | Nyle | there are debian patches on top of firefox |
| 05:36.20 | Nyle | called iceweasel |
| 05:36.30 | Nyle | use that instead it works good and better |
| 05:36.46 | DogBoy | does it work better? |
| 05:37.10 | DogBoy | firefox has a bigger number eh |
| 05:37.20 | DogBoy | lol |
| 05:37.22 | Nyle | its the same freaking thing. |
| 05:37.27 | Nyle | !iceweasel |
| 05:37.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 05:37.37 | DogBoy | it's one better! |
| 05:37.37 | Nyle | !why iceweasel |
| 05:37.37 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 05:37.55 | simonrvn | !better |
| 05:37.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 05:38.17 | Nyle | !good |
| 05:38.20 | Nyle | !bad |
| 05:38.20 | dpkg | [bad] Bay Area Debian, or what I am, and you know it! |
| 05:38.23 | Nyle | !ugly |
| 05:38.23 | dpkg | nyle is ugly!! |
| 05:38.26 | Nyle | hah. |
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| 05:38.49 | n-iCe | ok Nyle I like iceweasel then |
| 05:38.50 | simonrvn | mind the bot |
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| 05:41.41 | Supaplex | salutes dpkg |
| 05:41.53 | Nyle | http://www.gcu.edu.pk/ |
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| 05:42.14 | Nyle | all my uncles and aunts went here |
| 05:42.45 | Nyle | i did a few shows here |
| 05:42.48 | n-iCe | good, flash is working now |
| 05:42.56 | DogBoy | shows eh |
| 05:43.01 | Nyle | they got a good linux group |
| 05:43.04 | Nyle | but mostlsy ubuntu |
| 05:43.08 | Nyle | not many debian people of pakistan |
| 05:43.11 | Nyle | it sucks |
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| 05:43.49 | DogBoy | you did what Nyle |
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| 05:44.18 | Nyle | 2 philosophical plays, co-directed and acted, make up and costume etc. |
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| 05:44.34 | Nyle | one was called endless, other called the eclipse, and a few metal shows |
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| 05:44.41 | Nyle | 97-99 |
| 05:44.49 | Nyle | when i was in college |
| 05:44.58 | Nyle | in paksitan i mean college |
| 05:45.04 | DogBoy | in pakistan |
| 05:45.06 | Nyle | back then there was no debian for real |
| 05:45.12 | Supaplex | in college |
| 05:45.19 | Nyle | man i did not go to pakistan for 12 years now |
| 05:45.25 | Nyle | they have good technology there |
| 05:45.36 | Nyle | I don't find ANY deiban people of pakistan man |
| 05:45.38 | Nyle | im lonely |
| 05:45.40 | Nyle | !! |
| 05:45.40 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 05:45.44 | Nyle | dpkg shut the fuck up |
| 05:45.44 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 05:45.48 | Nyle | :( |
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| 05:46.45 | Supaplex | !confort Nyle |
| 05:46.45 | dpkg | There, there, supaplex. Nyle will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 05:46.49 | Supaplex | you pooor thing |
| 05:47.00 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:47.05 | Nyle | you just got burned by the bot! |
| 05:47.06 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 05:47.23 | Supaplex | !typosmite me |
| 05:47.23 | dpkg | makes supaplex raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 05:47.29 | Supaplex | yay! |
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| 05:47.54 | Supaplex | glad I'm ready to go to bed. or I'd be annoyed or somefin |
| 05:48.20 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:48.23 | Nyle | Supaplex, i can make you very rich |
| 05:48.36 | Nyle | Supaplex, just give me your bank account # and pin so i can give you money |
| 05:48.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:48.42 | Supaplex | I'd rather be poor |
| 05:48.45 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:48.49 | Nyle | no problem |
| 05:48.53 | Nyle | thats exactly what I'll do |
| 05:48.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:49.01 | Nyle | you win both ways! |
| 05:49.11 | Supaplex | bank accounts are for sissies |
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| 05:49.27 | Nyle | I wanna goto space man |
| 05:49.31 | Nyle | but it costs many millions |
| 05:49.43 | Supaplex | not if I kick you. I'll do that free. ;) |
| 05:50.18 | Nyle | los locos kick your ass, los locos kick your face, los locos kick your balls into outer space! |
| 05:50.26 | Nyle | Supaplex, where is this line from! |
| 05:50.36 | Supaplex | earth |
| 05:50.38 | Nyle | nogoogle |
| 05:51.01 | Nyle | short circuit |
| 05:51.16 | Nyle | robot movie |
| 05:51.37 | Supaplex | uhm, one or two? |
| 05:51.48 | Nyle | first one |
| 05:52.04 | Nyle | you know that indian guy, he was the evil hacker guy in Hackers (1995) |
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| 05:52.21 | Supaplex | yeah so? |
| 05:52.41 | Nyle | so nothin |
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| 05:55.05 | Lagbolt | lol number 5 alive |
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| 05:56.30 | hoxu | Mozilla Firefox Malformed JPEG File Denial of Service Vulnerability [ http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29984/info ] |
| 05:56.45 | Nyle | konqueror ftw! |
| 05:56.47 | n-iCe | !firefox |
| 05:56.47 | dpkg | somebody said firefox was the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 05:57.30 | Supaplex | has thematrix.ko loaded - no need for silly jpeg images |
| 05:57.50 | DogBoy | say what |
| 05:58.11 | Supaplex | dude, the red head |
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| 05:58.28 | Nyle | i like black heads |
| 05:58.40 | n-iCe | Nyle, uhm iceweasel seems to be slow |
| 05:58.47 | n-iCe | heavy |
| 05:58.47 | Nyle | you seem to be slow! |
| 05:59.06 | Nyle | no but seriously |
| 05:59.12 | Nyle | firefox sucks now it used to be good |
| 05:59.19 | Nyle | its a buncha bloatware crap now |
| 05:59.28 | Nyle | try konqueror its great browser |
| 05:59.32 | Nyle | !konqueror |
| 05:59.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, konqueror is a great webbrowser, filemanager, viewer et al and is located at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 05:59.48 | n-iCe | better than ice? |
| 05:59.53 | liable | does it have tabby goodness? |
| 05:59.57 | Nyle | of course |
| 06:00.12 | Nyle | khtml renders faster than gecko |
| 06:00.14 | simonrvn | ff3 is nice |
| 06:00.22 | Supaplex | dillo is faster with minimal features |
| 06:00.29 | liable | i'm tiring of firefox |
| 06:00.33 | valdyn | wget is even faster |
| 06:00.34 | Nyle | yes me too |
| 06:00.36 | valdyn | duh |
| 06:00.44 | andy_ | lynx |
| 06:00.49 | simonrvn | dillo is nice to browse around, but not do web dev (css html) |
| 06:00.53 | Nyle | !name a browser contest |
| 06:01.01 | Nyle | c'mon... |
| 06:01.13 | valdyn | !start a browser war |
| 06:01.14 | dpkg | lynx is more user-friendly than links! |
| 06:01.21 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 06:01.27 | Nyle | i'll have to remember that |
| 06:01.50 | Nyle | safari uses khtml |
| 06:01.52 | Nyle | i think |
| 06:01.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:02.11 | n-iCe | Nyle, so which one you recommend then? |
| 06:02.14 | n-iCe | konqueror ? |
| 06:02.18 | Nyle | try em all |
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| 06:02.31 | Nyle | google 'linux web browsers' |
| 06:02.32 | ameyer | Nyle: actually, safari uses webkit |
| 06:02.36 | jesus | hello everyone |
| 06:02.37 | andy_ | browser pokemon? |
| 06:02.41 | ameyer | which is a fork of khtml or something |
| 06:02.44 | andy_ | gotta catch them all |
| 06:02.49 | simonrvn | ameyer: oh that's right |
| 06:02.58 | ameyer | I think konqueror is/will be ditching khtml, though |
| 06:02.59 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML |
| 06:03.11 | simonrvn | it's apple's thingy, which contributed code to khtml |
| 06:03.13 | Supaplex | humm, pixel of light appear on my screen in the name of jesus. it must be the work of the devil! |
| 06:03.32 | jesus | please help me with this.... how do I change the ownership of a usb external hard drive from root to me ( user ) |
| 06:03.43 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 06:03.43 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 06:03.59 | jesus | the filesystem is ext3 |
| 06:04.09 | Supaplex | they have chown for that |
| 06:04.22 | simonrvn | use the user option, and add chown to the mix |
| 06:04.34 | jesus | I did use chown jesus jesus sdb1 |
| 06:04.36 | Supaplex | does user= apply to ext3? |
| 06:04.49 | Supaplex | chmod the files, not the block device |
| 06:04.52 | jesus | but it says that chown can't change permission |
| 06:04.54 | Supaplex | s/mod/own/ |
| 06:04.56 | simonrvn | i meant user, not uid= |
| 06:05.06 | Supaplex | you'd have to do it as root, or use sudo |
| 06:05.07 | valdyn | !wikifaq jesus Permissions |
| 06:05.07 | dpkg | jesus: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 06:05.19 | Supaplex | !tell jesus -about grounding |
| 06:05.38 | jesus | could you put the whole comand , please |
| 06:05.52 | valdyn | !spoonfeed jesus |
| 06:05.53 | dpkg | Silly jesus, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 06:05.59 | valdyn | ops |
| 06:06.06 | jesus | I go to media folder and do, sudo chown jesus jesus /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 06:06.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:06.22 | hoxu | jesus, why do you want to change the permissions of the drive? |
| 06:06.26 | valdyn | jesus: NO, dont mess with permissions in /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:06.26 | Supaplex | the dev is a device. it won't change files on the device. |
| 06:06.41 | jesus | because i need to store stuffs on it |
| 06:06.42 | valdyn | jesus: NO, dont mess with permissions in /dev/ either |
| 06:06.50 | jesus | like my work stuffs |
| 06:07.04 | valdyn | jesus: why dont you read the documentation? |
| 06:07.08 | jesus | I can access it from nautilus |
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| 06:07.11 | ameyer | read valdyn's last two lines without the : and chuckled a bit |
| 06:07.14 | simonrvn | jesus: the /dev file is like a key to the box - it allows you to open the device, and do things to it |
| 06:07.19 | valdyn | ameyer: me too |
| 06:07.21 | ameyer | make that three |
| 06:07.28 | jesus | ok this is what I did |
| 06:07.30 | simonrvn | ameyer: i know, i keep seeing it that way over and over |
| 06:07.31 | liable | wonders if its worth the effort to compile mesa and driver for his x1300 to try 3d |
| 06:07.31 | Nyle | 4 |
| 06:07.57 | jesus | I bough a new external usb portable hardrive and formated as ext3 |
| 06:08.02 | valdyn | liable: if you want to run compiz |
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| 06:08.20 | Supaplex | jesus: you use that at work? What do you do anyway? |
| 06:08.25 | liable | valdyn: you tried it? |
| 06:08.32 | valdyn | liable: nope |
| 06:08.32 | jesus | and it is on my desktop and I can open it and I see a folder called lost and found |
| 06:08.40 | simonrvn | compiz is neat, but man, is it ever resource hungry. makes my x bloat to 200 |
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| 06:09.02 | liable | yeah, i like it though |
| 06:09.30 | jesus | I want to use to put my virtual folder on it |
| 06:09.48 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 06:09.49 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:09.51 | jesus | at work we use xp , but I have linux |
| 06:10.03 | Lagbolt | jesus, did yo chown to your user on that? |
| 06:10.08 | jesus | and I save stuffs on hard drive |
| 06:10.15 | jesus | no |
| 06:10.34 | jesus | I just pluged and started gparted and formated as ext3 |
| 06:10.38 | Supaplex | jesus: have you ever heard the expression, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink? If you spend a few minutes to study the material it took others a lot of time to prepare, you will find the answer. |
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| 06:11.12 | Lagbolt | jesus, i am sorry i missed the trouble. you cant access it? or write to it or what? can you see what you have on it? or is there nothing |
| 06:11.12 | valdyn | now thats one nice "rtfm" |
| 06:11.15 | jesus | I have been reading so far without any success |
| 06:11.45 | jesus | I can access it , but I can not create any folder or file |
| 06:12.13 | jesus | the drive is on my desktop mounted |
| 06:12.14 | Lagbolt | jesus, can you create on it as root? if so you just need to chown so you can use it or make it +w for all |
| 06:12.18 | Supaplex | jesus: you have to be root to chown something root already owns to someone else. those permissions are by design. |
| 06:12.24 | jesus | ye |
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| 06:12.44 | Nyle | I feel weird talking to jesus |
| 06:12.53 | DurtDiggler | how can I get x11vnc to start before logging into kde |
| 06:12.54 | Lagbolt | nobody f#$%s with the jesus |
| 06:12.55 | jesus | I want user jesus ( me ) to be able to create and copy files |
| 06:13.05 | valdyn | theres a bug that makes a usb disk look write protected too, but we're hardly even getting near diagnosing that =/ |
| 06:13.13 | ameyer | what if god were one of us? |
| 06:13.14 | Nyle | Lagbolt, he's a perver dude |
| 06:13.27 | Lagbolt | jesus, what is the mount point . . . chown -R jesus:jesus /path/to/mnthpnt |
| 06:13.40 | Guerin | jesus: configure whatever is mounting it to do so with your credentials |
| 06:14.27 | jesus | this error I get when I try to copy something |
| 06:14.35 | jesus | Error while copying to "/media/sdb1 |
| 06:14.54 | jesus | You do not have permissions to write to this folder. |
| 06:15.03 | Supaplex | the mount man page does not specify uid= as an option for ext2/ext3 filesystems. |
| 06:15.06 | jesus | that is the error |
| 06:15.14 | valdyn | jesus: type "chown jesus:jesus /media/sdb1" |
| 06:15.34 | jesus | with sudo ? |
| 06:15.42 | Supaplex | yes |
| 06:15.45 | valdyn | jesus: as root, yes |
| 06:16.15 | jesus | I get this |
| 06:16.19 | jesus | chown: cannot access `jesus': No such file or directory |
| 06:16.19 | jesus | chown: cannot access `/media/sdb1': No such file or directory |
| 06:16.35 | ameyer | suspects jesus is on Ubuntu |
| 06:16.39 | Supaplex | paste the full output at http://rafb.net/paste including what you typed before that. |
| 06:16.44 | jesus | no in debian |
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| 06:17.09 | ameyer | it's just that sudo's more of a Ubuntu thing |
| 06:17.13 | Supaplex | well clearly /media/sdb1 does not exist |
| 06:17.17 | ameyer | but I might be wrong |
| 06:17.18 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:17.27 | valdyn | ameyer: im sure he did not manage to configure sudo in debian anyway |
| 06:17.30 | Supaplex | sudo is not specific to ubuntu |
| 06:17.35 | Lagbolt | ameyer, the new installer gives option to use sudo in debian like ubuntu |
| 06:17.45 | Lagbolt | but you can of course configure it many other ways |
| 06:17.50 | jesus | or should I put su and pwd |
| 06:18.01 | valdyn | Lagbolt: what is the new installer? etchnhalf? lenny? |
| 06:18.03 | jesus | and then issue the command ? |
| 06:18.09 | Lagbolt | valdyn, hmm i believe lenny :) |
| 06:18.11 | Supaplex | there's a nifty command "id" that tells you what the process rights are running as |
| 06:18.19 | valdyn | jesus: does not matter |
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| 06:18.40 | Lagbolt | valdyn, and by new i mean months ago i believe. it has been a while since i last installed. i just recall the option if you left password blank for root it uses sudo |
| 06:18.59 | valdyn | Lagbolt: alright, its just that lennies installer has been broken regularily |
| 06:19.15 | jesus | I did it with su and pwd as root |
| 06:19.17 | Lagbolt | valdyn, i hear that! |
| 06:19.20 | Supaplex | given the nature of testing, that's expected :) |
| 06:19.27 | jesus | and this is error |
| 06:19.29 | jesus | chown: cannot access `jesus': No such file or directory |
| 06:19.45 | valdyn | jesus: why the hell cant you follow simple instructions that Supaplex gave you? |
| 06:19.45 | Supaplex | jesus: what's that error mean to you? elaborate |
| 06:19.52 | Lagbolt | jesus, what do you get when you type "whoami" |
| 06:20.09 | jesus | jesus |
| 06:20.11 | Lagbolt | lol ok |
| 06:20.45 | ameyer | so, we've established that jesus is jesus |
| 06:20.48 | Supaplex | jesus: I hope you take your job more serious. you fail to follow instructions. |
| 06:20.50 | jesus | yes |
| 06:20.57 | Supaplex | good night, and best of luck |
| 06:21.03 | ameyer | does that mean that the end of the world is here? |
| 06:21.12 | jesus | I am reading also supaplex |
| 06:21.13 | ameyer | wanders off to bed |
| 06:21.20 | Lagbolt | jesus, when you are su whoami will say "root" when you have that do "chown -R jesus:jesus /media/sdb1" |
| 06:21.26 | Lagbolt | that gives you an error? |
| 06:21.36 | jesus | ok |
| 06:21.36 | DogBoy | what do I install to get xv support when I compile mplayer |
| 06:21.47 | DogBoy | for etch |
| 06:21.56 | valdyn | DogBoy: whats wrong with debians or debian-multimedia.org's mplayer? |
| 06:22.11 | DogBoy | what's right about them |
| 06:22.21 | valdyn | DogBoy: the fact that you dont need to compile them |
| 06:22.35 | DogBoy | so we've established than this works for you |
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| 06:22.59 | jesus | nope |
| 06:23.03 | jesus | chown: cannot access `jesus': No such file or directory |
| 06:23.03 | jesus | chown: cannot access `/media/sdb1': No such file or directory |
| 06:23.12 | Guerin | you fail at unix |
| 06:23.15 | Lagbolt | jesus, ls -l /media/sdb1 |
| 06:23.16 | jesus | that was done as root |
| 06:23.18 | Guerin | actually, no |
| 06:23.18 | valdyn | jesus: paste the full command and output on a paste site |
| 06:23.27 | Guerin | you fail at reading the fucking error message |
| 06:23.34 | valdyn | jesus: stop pasting results of the wrong comands here |
| 06:23.35 | Lagbolt | jesus also add output from "mount" |
| 06:23.49 | jesus | how do I do that |
| 06:23.59 | valdyn | jesus: you dont know how to paste? |
| 06:24.08 | Guerin | hint: it's not something you eat |
| 06:24.11 | jesus | yes but where ? |
| 06:24.18 | Lagbolt | jesus, pastebin.com |
| 06:24.19 | XGas | <DogBoy> what do I install to get xv support when I compile mplayer <-- libxv-dev |
| 06:24.19 | Guerin | google paste |
| 06:24.42 | valdyn | jesus: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:24.43 | Guerin | DogBoy: ask #mplayer. Debian supports its own mplayer packages, which have xv built in |
| 06:24.46 | Lagbolt | Guerin, hmm would you brush your teeth with toothpaste made by google? lol |
| 06:24.47 | XGas | DogBoy: Don't forget the libasound-dev too |
| 06:24.52 | XGas | for sound output. |
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| 06:25.13 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 06:25.19 | Guerin | Lagbolt: mm, good question. They way they're going I expect I'll not have a choice, once they run the world |
| 06:25.23 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:25.23 | Lagbolt | XGas, my mplayer does xv with packages not compiled. you have to pass a few arguements to it |
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| 06:25.45 | Lagbolt | Guerin, no joke |
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| 06:25.53 | DogBoy | jeez, I'm making my own debian package |
| 06:26.00 | DogBoy | like nobody ever did that before |
| 06:26.02 | Guerin | DogBoy: good for you! |
| 06:26.08 | XGas | Lagbolt: What do you mean. |
| 06:26.43 | Lagbolt | XGas, i install mplayer and i use mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc to make it use it |
| 06:27.01 | XGas | The reason I made my own MPlayer debian package out of the MPlayer SVN is so I can get Pulse Audio support. |
| 06:27.13 | Guerin | !pulse audio |
| 06:27.16 | valdyn | Lagbolt: thats not xv? |
| 06:27.27 | Lagbolt | valdyn, oops |
| 06:27.30 | XGas | Lagbolt: Set that vo=xv into ~/.mplayer/config to make it permanent |
| 06:27.31 | Lagbolt | valdyn, you are correct :) |
| 06:27.41 | XGas | *personal setting |
| 06:27.49 | Lagbolt | i am a lil dislexic to gnight |
| 06:28.00 | Guerin | eew, audio servers |
| 06:28.08 | XGas | Guerin: lol. |
| 06:28.12 | Lagbolt | XGas, you have much lock with pulse? |
| 06:28.15 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:28.16 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:28.25 | XGas | Lagbolt: It works. |
| 06:28.57 | Lagbolt | XGas, was it troublesome or work fairly quick out of the box? |
| 06:29.04 | XGas | not really |
| 06:29.17 | Guerin | that doesn't answer the question |
| 06:29.21 | XGas | just set the libao settings, then the asound.conf |
| 06:30.03 | XGas | Ok, fine, it something along the line of:"Not quick to setup, but not really troublesome |
| 06:30.10 | XGas | its* |
| 06:30.33 | DogBoy | XGas, yea I had installed libxv-dev but I guess I needed to do ldconfig |
| 06:30.54 | valdyn | DogBoy: no |
| 06:31.00 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:31.01 | XGas | DogBoy: You use AMD64 or standard i386/i686? |
| 06:31.10 | DogBoy | 805d |
| 06:31.21 | valdyn | DogBoy: installing a debian library package does already run ldconfig, if needed |
| 06:31.39 | DogBoy | ah |
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| 06:32.05 | XGas | ./configure --help|less |
| 06:32.10 | XGas | to see the settings |
| 06:32.12 | valdyn | DogBoy: apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 06:32.21 | XGas | lol, the easier way |
| 06:32.29 | Lagbolt | what happened to jesus? did it work? lol |
| 06:32.36 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 06:32.41 | DogBoy | good suggestion |
| 06:32.53 | valdyn | DogBoy: that will get all that debians mplayer uses, using that same command with d-m.org's mplayer package will probably get more |
| 06:33.32 | XGas | remember to add the source repository links to sources.list |
| 06:33.35 | valdyn | DogBoy: x11proto-video-dev is probably the one you need instead of libxv-dev |
| 06:33.36 | DogBoy | well it will get me what I need for xv in either case [no doubt] |
| 06:33.38 | XGas | if it isn't there already. |
| 06:34.30 | DogBoy | it's getting a bunch of stuff I didn't have anyway |
| 06:35.13 | valdyn | isnt a debian directory already included in mplayer source ? |
| 06:35.26 | XGas | valdyn: Yeap. |
| 06:35.28 | DogBoy | yes? |
| 06:35.59 | valdyn | DogBoy: so you could just use "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 06:36.08 | DogBoy | I am indeed |
| 06:36.27 | XGas | it is in there, just modify rules if you want to add anything into the compile flags, then fakeroot debian/rules binary. ouside the debian directory..... |
| 06:36.28 | valdyn | DogBoy: thats gonna make the difference to the debian package pretty slim |
| 06:37.00 | DogBoy | if I explain why I'm doing it it's gonna be like this big political thing |
| 06:37.15 | XGas | lol. |
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| 06:37.23 | Tr0gd0r | if I had a screen named testing how can I kill it using the command screen? |
| 06:37.29 | DogBoy | XGas, you must hehe |
| 06:37.39 | XGas | fine, harharhar, yaaaaaaarrrr. |
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| 06:38.32 | DurtDiggler_ | how can I get x11vnc to start before anyone is logged in with kde |
| 06:38.42 | valdyn | DurtDiggler_: not |
| 06:38.44 | XGas | arrrr, weather at sea be shiver me scrotums |
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| 06:38.53 | DogBoy | I was surprised btw when a lot of video just played with the standard debian mplayer |
| 06:39.10 | DogBoy | I thought a lot of the codecs were not free software |
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| 06:39.29 | valdyn | DogBoy: you need x264 for alot now |
| 06:39.29 | XGas | DogBoy: Don't forget some of the library headers for some of the codecs..... |
| 06:39.30 | Guerin | not really |
| 06:39.48 | Guerin | it's mpeg encoders which are encumbered |
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| 06:40.17 | simonrvn | eactly |
| 06:40.22 | DurtDiggler_ | howcome I can have vnc started up before anyone logs in with suse |
| 06:40.22 | simonrvn | ex* |
| 06:40.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: hey bro, what's up? |
| 06:40.39 | Guerin | DurtDiggler_: ask #suse |
| 06:40.40 | valdyn | debian mplayer has x264 support? |
| 06:40.52 | Guerin | valdyn: mine does. |
| 06:41.04 | XGas | get libx264-dev, compiled with it. ???. Progit |
| 06:41.08 | XGas | Profit* |
| 06:41.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: pretty good, mate. Overworked, but that's how life is. |
| 06:41.11 | valdyn | i just dont know because i use marillats |
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| 06:41.45 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:41.51 | simonrvn | Guerin: eh yeh, pretty busy myself, but life's good. |
| 06:42.00 | Guerin | valdyn: x264 is free, just patent-encumbered (as all mpeg-4 formats) |
| 06:42.38 | simonrvn | patently annoying |
| 06:42.57 | Guerin | not that it matters much since the patent violations aren't being actively pursued |
| 06:43.23 | valdyn | i dont see x264 in debian |
| 06:43.30 | simonrvn | we'd notice ;) |
| 06:43.32 | DogBoy | he meant on his |
| 06:43.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: ^^ |
| 06:43.35 | valdyn | !info x264 |
| 06:43.45 | DogBoy | he's using marrilat's or whatever |
| 06:44.14 | valdyn | yea |
| 06:44.31 | simonrvn | libx264-60 # marillat's |
| 06:44.42 | simonrvn | for instance |
| 06:45.15 | DogBoy | does it do musepack |
| 06:45.32 | Guerin | people actually use musepack? |
| 06:45.39 | simonrvn | there's some musepack thingy... |
| 06:45.47 | DogBoy | I use it almost exclusively |
| 06:45.59 | simonrvn | i don't even know what that's used for... |
| 06:46.19 | Guerin | it's JAFLAE, and a fairly crap one at that |
| 06:46.30 | DogBoy | a what |
| 06:46.34 | valdyn | DogBoy: which library provides musepack? |
| 06:46.34 | Guerin | (but not anything like as crap as, say, monkey's audio) |
| 06:46.41 | Guerin | Just Another Fucking Lossy Audio Encoder |
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| 06:47.07 | simonrvn | !JAFLAE is <reply>Just Another Fucking Lossy Audio Encoder |
| 06:47.08 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 06:47.10 | valdyn | DogBoy: marillats mplayer supporst musepack |
| 06:47.23 | Mech422 | hi all - anyone know if your debootstraping a red hat 32 bit machine to debian 64 bit, does debootstrap need the '--foreign' flag ? |
| 06:47.54 | DogBoy | Guerin, so you're like an mp3 nazi? |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | DogBoy: hell no. MP3 is a poor third place to FLAC and ogg vorbis |
| 06:48.35 | DogBoy | ah an ogg vorbis nazi |
| 06:48.40 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 06:48.51 | Guerin | no |
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| 06:50.57 | simonrvn | no, knowing what's good quality and gives good results isn't being anal about it |
| 06:51.19 | DogBoy | just trying to figure out what he's saying |
| 06:51.30 | DogBoy | <Guerin> it's JAFLAE, and a fairly crap one at that |
| 06:51.34 | DogBoy | means what? |
| 06:51.57 | simonrvn | um, what he said? |
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| 06:52.22 | ftp3 | anyone know the command to tell me what speed my hd is writing at? |
| 06:52.22 | DogBoy | ok whatever |
| 06:52.27 | DogBoy | it's clear as mud |
| 06:52.33 | Guerin | DogBoy: my point is ultimately that there's a huge amount of duplicated effort in codec land, with everyone thinking theirs is teh awesome. I'm all for diversity, but not at the expense of standardisation, and that's what we have at present. |
| 06:52.49 | Guerin | this goes doubly for video |
| 06:53.05 | Guerin | ftp3: man hdparm (presuming ide) |
| 06:53.15 | Guerin | ... which is a rash assumption in 2008 |
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| 06:53.53 | DogBoy | yea Guerin |
| 06:53.57 | ftp3 | guerin: sata... i will check it out though |
| 06:53.58 | ftp3 | thanks |
| 06:54.05 | DogBoy | I wasn't trying to sell you on musepack |
| 06:54.13 | DukeDrake7 | hi |
| 06:54.13 | Guerin | ftp3: hdparm won't work. Not sure what you'd use on sata, sorry. |
| 06:54.20 | Guerin | DogBoy: oh, I realise. |
| 06:54.21 | DukeDrake7 | I can't access a directory anymore |
| 06:54.30 | Guerin | DukeDrake7: what changed? |
| 06:54.39 | DukeDrake7 | all I see when I execute ls -l are some '?' |
| 06:54.47 | DukeDrake7 | is that bad? ó.ò |
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| 06:54.55 | xingu | Guerin: what's particularly amusing is that the space race in storage and bandwidth will ultimately render the art a cost, not a benefit. |
| 06:55.05 | Guerin | DukeDrake7: shutdown -rf now |
| 06:55.30 | xingu | Guerin: consumes fewer watts to transmit unmolested adc output |
| 06:55.40 | DogBoy | xingu, are you suggesting it won't be necessary to encode |
| 06:55.41 | DukeDrake7 | Guerin: sorry, please no sarkasm ... I'm not a native speaker... |
| 06:55.43 | Guerin | xingu: absolutely right. The world is a couple of years away from standardising on a lossless codec, so all this effort being put into lossy codecs is just stupid. |
| 06:56.00 | Guerin | DukeDrake7: no, that's the right thing to do. It'll reboot and fsck your drive. |
| 06:56.19 | DukeDrake7 | oh |
| 06:56.21 | DukeDrake7 | ok =) |
| 06:56.32 | DogBoy | I'm not sure that's true |
| 06:56.39 | Guerin | which bit? |
| 06:56.42 | DukeDrake7 | erm no ... proprietary motherboard ... can't reboot >.< |
| 06:56.49 | Guerin | fail |
| 06:57.00 | DukeDrake7 | but |
| 06:57.01 | DogBoy | like for instance flac vs some lossy codec |
| 06:57.27 | DukeDrake7 | ok, no but. |
| 06:57.40 | DogBoy | you can't hear the difference in most cases but you end up thrashing your harddrive and battery accessing the file |
| 06:57.40 | DanDare | cost? |
| 06:57.51 | DanDare | ogg <3 |
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| 06:58.58 | Guerin | DogBoy: flac isn't that much bigger than decent-quality lossy audio. |
| 06:59.10 | Guerin | and format-shifting is a major PITA |
| 06:59.14 | DogBoy | it's an opinion |
| 06:59.20 | Guerin | no, hang on |
| 06:59.25 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:59.37 | DukeDrake7 | Guerin: however: what are my chances to get the data back with fsck? |
| 06:59.54 | Guerin | I'm not objecting to your opinion, I'm objecting to its validity. If you want to argue whether or not your point is valid, do so - but don't just demurr. |
| 07:00.10 | DanDare | its relative |
| 07:00.18 | DogBoy | I was basically saying the same thing to you Guerin |
| 07:00.25 | DanDare | i have a stream of 45Kbps ogg´s that just sounds perfect |
| 07:00.33 | Guerin | DukeDrake7: the same as the chances that you will eat fish within the next week |
| 07:00.34 | DanDare | without any cost |
| 07:00.39 | DanDare | ;) |
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| 07:00.51 | Guerin | DanDare: all that meanms is that you have bad hearing or audio equipment |
| 07:01.25 | DogBoy | <Guerin> xingu: absolutely right. The world is a couple of years away from standardising on a lossless codec, so all this effort being put into lossy codecs is just stupid. |
| 07:01.30 | Guerin | (or the source audio was very poor) |
| 07:01.31 | DanDare | That´s just only mean for the open mins that i dont need more than 45 to perfectly serve my purpose |
| 07:01.34 | DogBoy | this is nothing but opinion |
| 07:01.35 | DanDare | thus without any cost |
| 07:01.45 | DogBoy | unless you have a crystal ball |
| 07:02.00 | Guerin | DogBoy: it's not opinion, it's speculation. |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | or prediction, if you like. |
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| 07:02.41 | DukeDrake7 | Guerin: "you can't tell" ? ;) |
| 07:02.52 | beardy | There will be several standards, all but one or two proprietary. |
| 07:03.00 | beardy | Another one. |
| 07:03.09 | Guerin | DukeDrake7: `I can't tell for sure, but I can give a pretty good crack at it.' |
| 07:03.33 | DogBoy | what kind of music do you listen to Guerin |
| 07:03.50 | beardy | They will be incompatible too. The ugliest one will be most used. |
| 07:03.51 | Guerin | DogBoy: the kind made with instruments. |
| 07:03.53 | DanDare | this is no cost http://www.minasambiente.com.br;music |
| 07:03.55 | DukeDrake7 | okies ^^ |
| 07:04.00 | DanDare | this is no cost http://www.minasambiente.com.br/music o.O |
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| 07:04.05 | Guerin | beardy: now you're just being cynical :) |
| 07:04.15 | beardy | Guerin: No, I'm predicting. |
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| 07:06.09 | DanDare | no wait, its just icecast |
| 07:06.34 | DogBoy | ah brazil eh |
| 07:06.46 | DogBoy | where would we be without brazilian music |
| 07:07.13 | Guerin | more or less in exactly the place we are now? |
| 07:07.16 | simonrvn | one less thing to enrich the world |
| 07:07.17 | DanDare | armorial |
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| 07:07.49 | DogBoy | Guerin, you're kind of cynical eh |
| 07:07.52 | DukeDrake7 | wow - you're pretty philosophical in here =) |
| 07:07.53 | Guerin | the only brazilians I've ever heard are Gilberto Gil, Ze Ramalho and Sepultura |
| 07:08.13 | Guerin | that don't make a huge difference to my musical outlook on the world |
| 07:08.17 | DanDare | Never heard armorial movement ? |
| 07:08.22 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:08.24 | DanDare | its great stuff from here http://www.jstor.org/pss/3513532 |
| 07:08.36 | simonrvn | music is odd that way. you can have crap shit that's just made to make money, or you can have beautiful stuff made because someone's or several someones' soul is/are speaking through it |
| 07:08.50 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 07:09.04 | simonrvn | just like anything, i suppose. |
| 07:09.12 | Guerin | hmm, that sounds cool |
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| 07:09.50 | simonrvn | <-- came back from an awesome powwow this past weekend |
| 07:10.23 | Guerin | DogBoy: i'm cynical, yeah, but not to the point of bitterness |
| 07:10.34 | DogBoy | hehe |
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| 07:11.00 | DanDare | it will eventualy |
| 07:11.26 | simonrvn | themill: remote closed the connection. that was mean of remote, wasn't it |
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| 07:12.25 | simonrvn | funny thing is that i know someone that goes by that nick in another chan |
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| 07:13.24 | beardy | He is a meanie. Just like peer. |
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| 07:14.51 | simonrvn | peer keeps resetting people's connections |
| 07:14.57 | drbean | I seem to have no free space on my hard disk. |
| 07:15.05 | simonrvn | just like that ^^^ |
| 07:15.16 | simonrvn | try aptitude clean |
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| 07:17.10 | drbean | apt-get clean seems to have helped. |
| 07:17.26 | beardy | While you are here then. |
| 07:17.29 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 07:17.29 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 07:18.22 | drbean | !why aptitude |
| 07:18.22 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude is also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 07:18.47 | drbean | !why not aptitude |
| 07:18.47 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
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| 07:19.55 | drbean | Am I overfilling the screen? |
| 07:20.14 | beardy | Just about. But there you go. |
| 07:20.37 | beardy | You can /msg dpkg <factoid>, when it's more busy in here. |
| 07:21.27 | drbean | Yes I should learn to /msg |
| 07:21.41 | DurtDiggler | why would my crontab not start up untill Im logged in |
| 07:23.16 | beardy | DurtDiggler: Exactly what are you expecting to happen? |
| 07:23.24 | Relentless__ | /join ##debian |
| 07:23.26 | Relentless__ | er |
| 07:23.34 | DurtDiggler | I was told that it would start up before anyone was logged in |
| 07:24.12 | Relentless__ | is it in your init.d? |
| 07:24.28 | beardy | DurtDiggler: cron is running, yes. crontab is a program to list, and update your user's crontab, and now, crontab means the file which holds the jobs you want cron to run for you. |
| 07:25.25 | DurtDiggler | ok I meant why would my cron not start untill Im logged in |
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| 07:25.36 | beardy | DurtDiggler: Run 'pidof cron' and you'll see the process id of cron, which indicates that it is running. |
| 07:25.55 | Relentless__ | I feel like getting banned |
| 07:25.57 | DurtDiggler | well I know it's running after Im logged in |
| 07:26.08 | DurtDiggler | how do I run that command before logging in |
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| 07:26.21 | Guerin | !ops obvious |
| 07:26.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: obvious |
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| 07:26.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 07:26.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@76.205.112.246] by peterS |
| 07:26.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 07:26.51 | Guerin | !wine peterS |
| 07:26.52 | dpkg | pours peterS a nice glass of Semillon |
| 07:26.52 | DanDare | go peters go |
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| 07:27.25 | beardy | !whine Guerin |
| 07:27.26 | dpkg | whines about Guerin's whining |
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| 07:27.51 | beardy | !praise Guerin's whining |
| 07:27.51 | dpkg | kneels before Guerin's whining. "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" |
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| 07:29.53 | PriitM | stupid 4chan faggots spamming :( |
| 07:30.13 | Guerin | PriitM: you're not that much better. Just less prolific. |
| 07:30.31 | drbean | How do I see how much free space I have on my file system? |
| 07:30.37 | PriitM | df -h |
| 07:30.39 | beardy | drbean: df |
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| 07:32.48 | drbean | I need to remember that as degrees of freedom. I can't man df to see the real name. Looks like I've used up my 6G. |
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| 07:33.19 | Guerin | `disk free' |
| 07:34.11 | beardy | drbean: Another thing you might enjoy is 'du', "disk usage". |
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| 07:35.06 | drbean | 'du -sk' is easy to remember. |
| 07:35.14 | landet | du -b |
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| 07:36.32 | simonrvn | i swear, some people have a death wish or something... |
| 07:36.51 | Guerin | most of them own handguns |
| 07:37.04 | simonrvn | if only ;p |
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| 07:49.40 | anddam | hello |
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| 07:51.36 | netsrot | how do I remove a user from a group? |
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| 07:51.54 | netsrot | can I just edit /etc/group? |
| 07:52.00 | anddam | I'm using linux-image from lenny repository but I'd need to build a kernel from scratch, is there a way to get the .config the kernel I'm using was built with? |
| 07:52.15 | anddam | I'd like to use it as basis |
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| 07:52.45 | valdyn | anddam: /proc/config.gz |
| 07:52.46 | IronRage | can someone tell me how to go about getting videos like on youtube to work? |
| 07:52.46 | CaT[t3] | it probably wont help you much as it'll have just about everything included in it as either a built-in or a module |
| 07:52.58 | valdyn | anddam: or /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:53.08 | Guerin | IronRage: you need either youtube-dl or some flash implementation |
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| 07:53.13 | Guerin | IronRage: i recomment the former |
| 07:53.20 | IronRage | which one? |
| 07:53.27 | Guerin | IronRage: youtube-dl |
| 07:53.32 | anddam | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:53.37 | IronRage | ty Guerin |
| 07:53.38 | IronRage | <3 |
| 07:53.42 | Guerin | welcome |
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| 07:56.17 | IronRage | Guerin, still not working :S |
| 07:56.32 | Guerin | IronRage: man youtube-dl |
| 07:56.45 | IronRage | do i need the man part? |
| 07:56.57 | IronRage | i did |
| 07:56.59 | liable | hehe |
| 07:57.04 | IronRage | apt-get install youtube-dl |
| 07:57.29 | beardy | aptitude |
| 07:57.39 | IronRage | huh |
| 07:57.45 | beardy | Ok. |
| 07:58.01 | beardy | !tell IronRage about aptitude |
| 07:59.04 | IronRage | ok |
| 07:59.06 | IronRage | so |
| 07:59.34 | anddam | valdyn: btw I don't have /proc/config.gz |
| 07:59.36 | enouf | valdyn: since when have debian kernels started using /proc/config.gz? |
| 07:59.50 | valdyn | enouf: i dont know if they have it |
| 07:59.54 | enouf | anddam: it's /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 07:59.56 | valdyn | anddam: no problem |
| 08:00.22 | anddam | enouf: sure, I was just pointing it out I'm missing that /proc file |
| 08:00.33 | enouf | valdyn: all the linux-image-versions always plop it in /boot/ |
| 08:00.39 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 08:00.45 | IronRage | Guerin? |
| 08:01.04 | valdyn | enouf: i gave both places earlier, because i dont know if debian ever had /proc/config.gz |
| 08:01.07 | anddam | can a 2.6.18 config be safely used with 2.6.26 ? |
| 08:01.12 | valdyn | anddam: no |
| 08:01.17 | enouf | anddam: you won't have it, it's a kernel config option to have it, Debain kernels have that option =n |
| 08:01.28 | Guerin | IronRage? |
| 08:01.31 | beardy | IronRage: After you've installed it, you read its manual page. |
| 08:01.31 | anddam | enouf: I understand |
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| 08:01.42 | valdyn | anddam: kernel configuration is not "safe" in a sense that clueless people will be guided to make a valid one |
| 08:01.44 | IronRage | so i have to do each video specifically? |
| 08:02.05 | enouf | valdyn: ok, apologies, was just asking in case you knew something about especially newer versions of debian ones |
| 08:02.07 | anddam | valdyn: I'm not clueless but last kernel I made was something 2.2.x |
| 08:02.13 | anddam | or 2.0.x |
| 08:02.21 | anddam | xconfig has changed its face btw |
| 08:02.25 | enouf | valdyn: just stepped in also, as you can tell |
| 08:02.36 | valdyn | anddam: you can base any kernel's config on any config file using "make oldconfig" |
| 08:02.43 | enouf | anddam: yes and no |
| 08:03.04 | anddam | andam: what about? |
| 08:03.05 | valdyn | anddam: but nothing about that will make any claims about making a kernel that works for you |
| 08:03.06 | anddam | lol |
| 08:03.09 | anddam | enouf: what about? |
| 08:03.25 | henux | do any of you possess understanding how one can use gcc -MM to automatically manage dependencies from a Makefile? |
| 08:03.37 | enouf | anddam: you can grab a debian's config file from elsehwre and start with that - there are many weays to do this, but i'm nhot going to walk you through kernekl building |
| 08:03.45 | Guerin | IronRage: yeah. You can chain 'em and watch 'em at your leisure. -t is your friend. |
| 08:03.47 | enouf | anddam: just make sure to run make oldconfig |
| 08:03.51 | landet | anddam - if you do make oldconfig (with the 2.6.18 kernel running ie /boot/config-2.6.18) with the new 2.6.26 kernel you will be prompted for any new config additions - otherthen that it is safe |
| 08:04.06 | anddam | landet: seems pretty much what I need |
| 08:04.37 | anddam | enouf: why should I get config elsewhere if I have one in /boot ? |
| 08:04.45 | anddam | enouf: it's a serious question |
| 08:05.19 | enouf | anddam: that's not what i said - sometimes the changes are so great - say from 2.6.8 -> 2.6.26 that you really want a "newer" config to start with |
| 08:05.44 | landet | anddam is there some hardware that didn't work with 2.6.18 that you hope is fixed with 2.6.24? |
| 08:06.03 | anddam | landet: rt2x00 Ralink driver, beta branch |
| 08:06.12 | anddam | rather than legacy |
| 08:06.20 | mark7 | henux: For foo.c, you'll get foo.d files. I'd include these in your Makefile. Then -include $(OBJS:.o=.d) |
| 08:06.23 | Guerin | the linux driver for that card is shite anyhow |
| 08:06.31 | IronRage | Guerin, i'm confused on how to watch them |
| 08:06.33 | anddam | and m-a won't help, m-a build rt2x00 got a 2006 cvs snapshot, too old to be useful |
| 08:06.41 | landet | judt don't delete any old kernels you hve installed :) and test the new one |
| 08:06.49 | anddam | landet: sure |
| 08:06.59 | valdyn | anddam: the rt2500 is probably still of more practicual use |
| 08:07.07 | anddam | I hope it's going on first shot tho' as the debian box is headless |
| 08:07.09 | valdyn | anddam: = it actually works fine |
| 08:07.19 | anddam | valdyn: I've got a rt2400 and I want Master mode |
| 08:07.21 | enouf | anddam: not to mention; make allmodconfig and other options are avail .. the debian -headers pkgs come with a config as well as -image-version ones, but i know other places to get them as well .. so fucken what ;-) |
| 08:07.21 | henux | hmm aha |
| 08:07.22 | netsrot | is there anyway I could pop a user from a group? like the oposite of usermod -aG group user ? |
| 08:07.32 | landet | i didn't get how knowledgable you are - but don't forget to put new entry in you lilo or grub file and update the mbr |
| 08:07.41 | mark7 | henux: also, see http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~smcpeak/autodepend/autodepend.html |
| 08:07.57 | valdyn | netsrot: man deluser |
| 08:08.03 | henux | thanks |
| 08:08.11 | netsrot | valdyn: thank you. |
| 08:08.21 | Guerin | IronRage: mplayer file-you-downloaded-with-youtube-dl.flv |
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| 08:08.28 | anddam | landet: I'm a liloguy, I will update it |
| 08:08.45 | IronRage | ah thank you Guerin |
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| 08:09.27 | Guerin | if you want master mode on a rt2500, I recommend using openbsd |
| 08:09.33 | anddam | enouf: is there a way to mix oldconfig and allmodconfig? |
| 08:09.35 | Guerin | where it works out of the box with no hassles |
| 08:09.49 | enouf | anddam: no, don't bother |
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| 08:10.31 | enouf | there's defconfig or similar, if you were really in a bind - a lot more of configuring to do though |
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| 08:10.41 | enouf | but you're not, so drop it |
| 08:10.55 | valdyn | allmodconfig is fucked up for use, its for debugging |
| 08:11.14 | enouf | indeed, but makes sure you're not missing modules ;-) |
| 08:11.15 | valdyn | youd get all kinds of conflicts, like more than 1 driver per alot of devices |
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| 08:12.11 | enouf | which when newb says "i can't make this device work" .. i can rhetort "modprobe blah-module" |
| 08:12.51 | valdyn | anddam: get the most recent debian kernel and go from that kernels config |
| 08:12.58 | enouf | instead of walking the fucker through hunting down which friggin options they left out |
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| 08:13.00 | valdyn | anddam: much safer than basing this on an old kernel |
| 08:13.27 | enouf | i concur, THAt was my earlier point |
| 08:13.39 | anddam | valdyn: yes, that's what I tought |
| 08:13.47 | enouf | anddam: capisce? |
| 08:14.12 | anddam | enouf: me? |
| 08:14.26 | enouf | i've done from .16 -> .23 but it was painful especially when it needed patching prior |
| 08:14.52 | anddam | "capisce" as in italian? |
| 08:14.53 | enouf | packs up his toys and goes elsewhere |
| 08:15.06 | enouf | si |
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| 08:16.45 | landet | just put him on ignore - makes the channel nicer |
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| 08:17.34 | enouf | ok |
| 08:17.50 | enouf | [04:12:15] Ignoring landet!* ... what a relief! <--better? ;-) |
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| 08:18.22 | valdyn | hmm, raid10 is so fucked up |
| 08:18.38 | valdyn | !raid10 |
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| 08:19.03 | enouf | she's just jealous that i spanked her naughty but over in ##linux concerning pcspkr and blacklisting it ;-) |
| 08:19.16 | enouf | butt* |
| 08:20.05 | enouf | valdyn: latest stuff? (mdadm and kernel?) |
| 08:20.11 | valdyn | enouf: yes |
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| 08:20.18 | enouf | ouch, not good |
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| 08:20.32 | valdyn | enouf: i can sync the raid at 180MB/sec |
| 08:20.34 | cvn | hi how do i change the domain name of my server? |
| 08:20.45 | valdyn | enouf: i can ddrescue of it at less tha 60 |
| 08:20.56 | goof | has someone an idea why mc cd /#sh:username@ip f*cks up the command line as soon as you try to input the passwd and if how to fix it ... |
| 08:21.30 | enouf | valdyn: there's a tunable somewhere in /proc or /sys for sync speed control right? IIRC |
| 08:21.36 | valdyn | enouf: and i cant get 2 synchronouse raids streaming to stack in performance, which is a key strength of raid10 |
| 08:21.36 | anddam | enouf: so it'd be "capisci?", using 2nd person |
| 08:21.45 | valdyn | enouf: and i cant get 2 synchronouse reads streaming to stack in performance, which is a key strength of raid10 |
| 08:21.58 | enouf | valdyn: gah! .. |
| 08:22.06 | valdyn | all very strange |
| 08:22.07 | enouf | anddam: not in my dialect |
| 08:22.22 | landet | cvn - so people on the internet can use the new name (talk to your favorite domain registrar) or people on your local network (every one on lan uses /etc/hosts) |
| 08:22.23 | enouf | anddam: well, actually |
| 08:22.29 | valdyn | oh and sync will not get up to speed without me insanely raising sync_speed_min |
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| 08:22.42 | enouf | anddam: yes, because i did say it with some consternation, so |
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| 08:23.04 | enouf | anddam: nothing to do with 2nd person though |
| 08:23.15 | valdyn | and finally theres nothing about that on the lkml |
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| 08:23.30 | enouf | valdyn: report please ;-) |
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| 08:23.38 | anddam | enouf: what is your dialect? |
| 08:23.50 | enouf | anddam: whatever your's isn't |
| 08:24.05 | enouf | anddam: yours |
| 08:24.28 | Bushmills | goof, best "fix" is probably to create a ssh key pair and put the public key on the remote server |
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| 08:24.52 | anddam | enouf: #debian-offtopic |
| 08:24.58 | enouf | anddam: what is your reason for asking nonsensical questions? |
| 08:25.39 | Bushmills | am i'm that scary? |
| 08:25.49 | Caemyr | yes |
| 08:25.52 | enouf | when hairy, yep :-p |
| 08:25.53 | Caemyr | shivers |
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| 08:26.31 | Bushmills | oh well. let's have a few more children for breakfast |
| 08:27.34 | Bushmills | smiles. *that* should scare you. |
| 08:29.14 | landet | a few more 'rodents' for breakfast would be scariest |
| 08:29.42 | goof_ | someone uses ssh in mc and has problems with password input |
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| 08:30.07 | Guerin | why not use mc in ssh? |
| 08:31.01 | goof_ | Guerin: possible but i have the problem using mc and than ssh |
| 08:31.26 | Guerin | i recommend you ask in a mc support channel |
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| 08:31.47 | goof_ | is there one .. Guerin |
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| 08:31.52 | Guerin | no idea |
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| 08:32.11 | goof_ | couldn't find one |
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| 08:33.28 | enouf | usenet group? search googlegroups |
| 08:33.56 | goof_ | well it works if i run clean after connecting ... but it is strange anyway |
| 08:34.46 | DawnLight | i've deleted my wine menu from my user's menu using the kde menu editor. how can i get it back? |
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| 08:35.13 | Guerin | DawnLight: re-create it using the kde menu editor |
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| 08:35.35 | DawnLight | Guerin: and the contents will be there? |
| 08:35.48 | Bushmills | DawnLight: if it wan't customized, i suppose executing update-menus could do |
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| 08:35.52 | Guerin | DawnLight: once you create them, they certainly will be. |
| 08:35.52 | Bushmills | wasn't |
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| 08:37.38 | Bushmills | landet: rat-on-a-stick? rat-in-a-bun? |
| 08:38.04 | raboof | i'm annoyed that i have to close all applications using my usb disk when I hibernate |
| 08:38.20 | valdyn | raboof: how are you hibernating? |
| 08:38.44 | valdyn | raboof: usb is bad for hibernating anyway, thats known, not fixed anytime soon |
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| 08:39.17 | DawnLight | Guerin: /j #winehq |
| 08:39.20 | Bushmills | raboof: you could also shut down your computer completely, and then you go hibernating. saves power. |
| 08:39.21 | DawnLight | oops |
| 08:39.33 | Jyzygzy- | did someone rape the debian aircrack-ng package? |
| 08:39.35 | valdyn | raboof: which is why the tools that do the hibernating can do the usb disabling for you |
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| 08:39.38 | Jyzygzy- | its missing allmost all the tools |
| 08:39.56 | Guerin | Jyzygzy-: your stupid is showing |
| 08:40.08 | raboof | valdyn: yeah, and that's reasonable, but i'd like to think of a way to get around it :) |
| 08:40.28 | valdyn | raboof: that is why i asked you, how you were hibernating |
| 08:40.33 | timob | how can I mount / read only? ... mount -o remount -o ro / ... gives me / is busy in run level 1 |
| 08:40.44 | raboof | valdyn: i was wondering if a 'distributed/networked' file system might help |
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| 08:41.28 | valdyn | raboof: what does that have to do with you attaching a usb device? |
| 08:41.47 | raboof | for instance i could run a local coda server, i wonder if i could do a 'stop coda server, hibernate, start coda server' |
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| 08:42.23 | valdyn | raboof: you could |
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| 08:43.06 | raboof | valdyn: that'd (at the cost of interesting complexity) allow me to keep the applications that use the files on the 'coda disk' (= my usb drive) open even though it gets unmounted at hibernation time, right? |
| 08:43.12 | IronRage | how do i install the limewire for debian? |
| 08:43.22 | Guerin | IronRage: the best way is to not. |
| 08:43.40 | raboof | valdyn: (sure this isn't something i'd recommend to any random end-user, but it'd be interesting to see if it could be pulled off) |
| 08:43.44 | IronRage | Guerin, ya |
| 08:43.44 | valdyn | raboof: you could also unload usb drivers |
| 08:43.49 | IronRage | but i need it installed |
| 08:43.51 | IronRage | don't ask wh |
| 08:43.52 | IronRage | why |
| 08:43.56 | Guerin | IronRage: 2001 wants its shitty file-sharing virus-distributing malware back |
| 08:44.17 | valdyn | raboof: thats what the proper hibernate tools do already anyway |
| 08:44.19 | IronRage | i just don't get how to install it after getting the .deb |
| 08:44.27 | valdyn | raboof: which is again why i asked you how you are hibernating |
| 08:44.30 | raboof | valdyn: i can't unload the usb drivers while it's mounted, though, can I? |
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| 08:44.53 | valdyn | raboof: i think you can |
| 08:45.07 | raboof | valdyn: i'm pretty sure i can't :) |
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| 08:45.40 | valdyn | raboof: so, how are you hibernating? why are you not using the made-for-that tool(s) ? |
| 08:46.12 | raboof | valdyn: i'm calling /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
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| 08:46.45 | valdyn | raboof: ok, thats ok |
| 08:46.50 | raboof | valdyn: afaics i *am* using the made-for-that tools, but those don't allow me to keep files open on the usb disk across hibernation |
| 08:46.53 | valdyn | raboof: to bad no one know what that will in turn call |
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| 08:47.11 | raboof | if it worked already http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/ wouldn't be needed :) |
| 08:47.40 | raboof | valdyn: it runs some scripts and then does 'echo -n "disk" > /sys/power/state', nothing too fancy |
| 08:48.37 | valdyn | raboof: i dont know about coda, but cifs will recover from a restarted server afaik |
| 08:48.46 | valdyn | raboof: which is kind of what you need |
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| 08:49.13 | raboof | valdyn: yeah, thanks for the pointer, i'll check it out also |
| 08:49.42 | valdyn | raboof: smbfs will just crash in such an event |
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| 08:49.53 | raboof | heh |
| 08:49.57 | valdyn | well, lockup |
| 08:50.15 | valdyn | just a tad better than kernel panic |
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| 08:53.16 | Jyzygzy- | lol the ati "fglrx" sure crashes alot |
| 08:54.24 | valdyn | raboof: removing usb controller drivers beneath various usb periphery drivers works nicely |
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| 08:54.38 | valdyn | raboof: i dont have usb storage right now to test that one |
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| 08:55.10 | valdyn | raboof: and reloading just those ( ehci_hcd / uhci_hcd ) just the same |
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| 08:55.19 | ma3x | what's the shortcut to edit a field in openoffice spreadsheets? |
| 08:55.24 | ma3x | must i always click with the mouse? |
| 08:55.26 | raboof | valdyn: i can try here - so you just rmmod the kernel modules without unmounting the disk? |
| 08:55.39 | valdyn | raboof: modprobe -r |
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| 08:57.41 | valdyn | raboof: /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh in the end can do various different things depending on what you have installed ( powersaved / hibernate / gnome-power-manager / whatever ) |
| 08:57.51 | raboof | true |
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| 09:00.14 | |rdw| | hi, during some update i ran out of space. now i'm getting "update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ps2pdf corupted: invalid update mode" apt-get remove, purge, upgrade, -f,, dist-upgrade don't work. nothing googled works! |
| 09:00.34 | raboof | valdyn: ok, i can remove and re-add the _hcd modules without error, but after that the mounted directory appears empty (even though it still appears in /proc/mounts) |
| 09:01.07 | ryty | |rdw|: have you tried dpkg -P ps2pdf? |
| 09:01.07 | raboof | doing anything causes 'FAT: Directory bread(block 28822) failed' messages in dmesg |
| 09:01.13 | ryty | and then reinstalling it |
| 09:01.37 | ryty | make sure you do an apt-get clean and apt-get update before reinstallign |
| 09:01.41 | ryty | reinstalling* |
| 09:02.21 | IronRage | ok another question |
| 09:02.33 | IronRage | why can't i get like flash games working |
| 09:02.35 | IronRage | they keep repeating |
| 09:02.49 | liable | because flash is shit |
| 09:03.07 | IronRage | well |
| 09:03.11 | IronRage | i'd like to play them |
| 09:03.16 | IronRage | like addictinggames.com |
| 09:03.18 | IronRage | ow |
| 09:03.23 | IronRage | damn kitty >:( |
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| 09:03.25 | IronRage | anyway |
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| 09:06.44 | netsrot | Hi, is there any log or any way way to check for which programs I recently installed with apt-get? excluding upgrades. |
| 09:06.50 | |rdw| | ryty: ps2pdf isn't installed |
| 09:06.57 | |rdw| | it is just a file inside of another package |
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| 09:07.37 | |rdw| | IronRage: if you are using kubuntu like me you can apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras or something like that |
| 09:08.08 | beardy | !kubuntu |
| 09:08.08 | dpkg | i heard kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:09.25 | anddam | after run oldconfig will xconfig load values from old configuration? (i.e. .config) |
| 09:09.55 | Bushmills | |rdw|: there is no package ubuntu-restricted-extras in debian |
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| 09:10.06 | IronRage | i'm on debian |
| 09:10.10 | IronRage | hence me being in #debian... |
| 09:11.12 | Bushmills | IronRage: i suppose he is a bit confused what channel he's on |
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| 09:11.44 | Bushmills | IronRage: is that gnash, or the adobe flash plugin you're running? |
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| 09:12.24 | nvz | well so much for sleeping till noon... heh |
| 09:12.32 | slxix | what time is it? |
| 09:12.36 | nvz | Its only 5am and I'm wired for sound |
| 09:12.50 | anddam | slxix: it depends on where in the world you are |
| 09:12.58 | anddam | much like Carmen Sandiego |
| 09:13.02 | nvz | heh |
| 09:13.07 | nvz | I was just about to say that |
| 09:13.08 | Bushmills | slxix: it is saturday |
| 09:13.22 | anddam | almost noon here |
| 09:13.35 | nvz | yes indeed, saturday |
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| 09:13.42 | slxix | anddam: i'm well aware. my room clock is 6:11pm, and my computer clock is 2:11am. neither of which are anywhere near 12 noon. |
| 09:14.19 | nvz | Sunday is better cause then people go "is it sunday?" and I can say "all day, unless it rains" or "sunday, bloody sunday.." or something |
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| 09:14.34 | Bushmills | does it matter what the clock says? isn't it more important that you're awake? |
| 09:14.37 | nvz | there's just nothing cool to say about saturday |
| 09:15.04 | Bushmills | some people eat when the clock suggests them that it is time for eat. some others eat when they're hungry |
| 09:15.13 | nvz | na, I got somewhere to be at noon and I'm up way too early which means I'll probably be in a bad mood by then.. heh |
| 09:15.39 | nvz | normally I don't care what the clock says or even pay attention to it for that matter |
| 09:15.47 | Bushmills | imagine those saying "we'll, i'm hungry but because it's not dinner time i can't eat now" |
| 09:17.13 | nvz | yeah well I'm gonna be like that soon if I get accepted into this school and gotta do everything on their schedule cause I'm a broke student |
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| 09:17.52 | slxix | i'll send you the rest of this vitamin water to help your cause. |
| 09:17.56 | nvz | gonna be a tough thing for someone like me to adjust to.. but I really don't have any better plan for my life right now |
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| 09:18.26 | slxix | it tastes just like a flintstones vitamin |
| 09:18.30 | nvz | other than perhaps move into the homeless shelter and start working on my book.. heh |
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| 09:19.00 | slxix | are you looking for a homeless shelter that has wifi? :P |
| 09:19.38 | nvz | well afaik there is only one shelter in town, and I'm sure there is wifi near by.. I got a dish.. so.. |
| 09:20.27 | nvz | If I run with either of those two plans I suggested I won't be taking my computers or anything really with me |
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| 09:21.30 | nvz | the only way I am staying here is if I can find some work in a hurry. and I'll probably end up in mexico if I don't run with one of those other two plans |
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| 09:21.55 | nvz | I got an oppertunity to go work in Cancun for 6-8mo |
| 09:22.03 | nvz | and learn something |
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| 09:22.20 | slxix | why aren't you there yet? :) |
| 09:22.32 | war9407 | Is anyone here running Vista64 in any sort of free VM ? VirtualBox does not wokr. |
| 09:22.34 | nvz | well I gotta wait for the person who has the work. |
| 09:22.37 | enouf | anddam: running oldconfig will make a new .config with your answered settings, from there; make menuconfig to readjust / tweak further |
| 09:22.46 | nvz | and right now I'm confused about what to do with myself |
| 09:23.04 | anddam | enouf: fine |
| 09:23.14 | gkiagia | war9407: yes, in kvm |
| 09:23.24 | enouf | anddam: your orig .config, prior to oldconfig will be .config.old or similar |
| 09:23.33 | nvz | I'm sure we can talk more about my interesting (hah) life in the offtopic channel |
| 09:23.43 | nvz | I hang out here to forget about that |
| 09:23.51 | slxix | ctrl-shift-tab doesn't work in irssi like it does in iceweasel. |
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| 09:24.15 | nvz | debian related issues are way easier to grasp and solve for me than my own problems |
| 09:24.26 | slxix | nvz: i normally idle in #debian-offtopic. :) |
| 09:25.05 | nvz | yeah I did too until they forked the channel and I seem to be somewhat welcome in the elite offtopic channel.. haha |
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| 09:28.55 | war9407 | gkiagia: what specs? |
| 09:29.06 | war9407 | gkiagia: I tried KVM last year and it crashed with XP64 at the end of the install |
| 09:29.09 | war9407 | gkiagia: what version? |
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| 09:29.13 | war9407 | gkiagia: from debian testing, or? |
| 09:29.29 | anddam | building |
| 09:29.33 | anddam | it'll take hours |
| 09:29.56 | anddam | this little box could use a little more horsepower |
| 09:29.57 | gkiagia | war9407: I use kvm from debian testing on an amd phenom processor |
| 09:30.32 | war9407 | gkiagia: and you are running Vista64 Business, Ultimate, Home, or? |
| 09:30.36 | war9407 | gkiagia: any hiccups/problems? |
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| 09:31.42 | gkiagia | war9407: ultimate, no problems observed yet |
| 09:31.57 | gkiagia | kvm rocks :) |
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| 09:33.19 | war9407 | gkiagia: wow I will give it another try! |
| 09:33.21 | war9407 | gkiagia: thx |
| 09:35.04 | anddam | bye |
| 09:35.06 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:36.01 | war9407 | # /usr/sbin/grub |
| 09:36.01 | war9407 | -su: /usr/sbin/grub: cannot execute binary file |
| 09:36.05 | war9407 | debian testing amd64 |
| 09:36.10 | war9407 | it uses a 32bit grub? |
| 09:36.10 | war9407 | boo |
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| 09:39.28 | Guerin | so, i'm pretty happy with the performance of sshfs this past week |
| 09:39.35 | Guerin | it's toitally replaced NFS |
| 09:42.15 | enouf | no kidding? hrm |
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| 09:42.46 | Guerin | (not helped by the fact that OBSD's NFS implementation doesn't seem to play nice with debian's NFS clients) |
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| 09:44.52 | soulchild | hi all,... how can i test my usb webcam ? it is on USB (integrated) |
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| 09:47.09 | up365 | soulchild, Camorama can be installed from Synaptic |
| 09:48.16 | Mech422 | debootstrap does NOT seem handle 32bit => 64bit migrations :-( |
| 09:49.09 | Mech422 | I was hoping I could just debootstrap this red hat boxen to Etch amd64 - but it barfs at the chroot, and leaves everything unconfigured |
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| 09:57.34 | slxix | Mech422: is the problem that your kernel is not 64bit? |
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| 10:05.25 | _stack | how do I place an echo in a makefile without he print also the echo command ??? |
| 10:05.40 | CaT[t3] | prefix it with @ |
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| 10:05.47 | _stack | ok thanks |
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| 10:07.39 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 10:07.45 | Caemyr | how can i resize root partition? |
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| 10:07.55 | Caemyr | when i use ext2online i get Device or resource busy |
| 10:09.42 | slxix | is you running it under a virtual machine/emulator? |
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| 10:10.13 | SPF | what package contains conio.h? I tried apt-file update and apt-file seach conio.h. Installed the package elks-libc, but it still doesnt compile |
| 10:10.40 | SPF | s/seach/search |
| 10:11.12 | Bushmills | Caemyr: boot from a usb stick or live cd, resize. boot your disk based system again |
| 10:11.19 | \amethyst | SPF: conio.h is a DOS/Windows header |
| 10:11.58 | slxix | !tell SPF about find conio.h |
| 10:12.27 | wols | Caemyr: you need to boot from a liveCD. the partition mustnt be mounted while resizing |
| 10:12.36 | SPF | slxix: those are the same results as apt-file search conio.h |
| 10:12.40 | wols | SPF: look at curses and port it to that |
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| 10:13.28 | slxix | SPF: it answers your question, so i'm not sure what you're asking now. |
| 10:14.28 | slxix | (i'm also not a C coder. :) |
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| 10:17.52 | SPF | slxix: I think \amethyst and wols are right. I have to rewrite the code to be compatible with *nix |
| 10:18.00 | joschan | Hi, is there a way to test the integrity of an archive.tar.gz? I mean are some checksums stored? |
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| 10:18.29 | joschan | I am looking for a safer way to store backups of important folders |
| 10:18.39 | Mech422 | joschan: tar doesn't checksum (iirc) - but if its corrupt, it probably won't unzip |
| 10:18.43 | TryPod | Hey, iam trying to install debian. When setting up the source he cant find my cdrom. Is there anyway i can copy to the cd to the harddrive and use it from there? |
| 10:18.58 | ay^ | yep |
| 10:19.24 | ay^ | TryPod: that is possible I have done it once, but I don't remember quite how, google on it |
| 10:20.01 | TryPod | Iam using a livecd from fedora i right now.. Maybe i can launch the installation in a shell_ |
| 10:21.02 | joschan | Thank you Mech422 - so how does everybody do safe backups just from the commandline with on board tools then? If a backup is not safe or i am not able to check it how much is it worth then? There must be a cool way to do it? |
| 10:21.04 | slxix | joschan: i've never used this program, but look at "storebackup" |
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| 10:21.21 | Bushmills | joschan: consider to use afio instead of tar. similar but compresses on a per-file base, not the whole archive |
| 10:21.43 | slxix | in fact, i might consider using it. |
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| 10:22.00 | Bushmills | joschan: and youcan ruyn md5sum against the archive, and store the result yourself |
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| 10:22.30 | Mech422 | joschan: backups come in to flavors - quick and dirty or more-then-most-people-want-to-think-about |
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| 10:22.53 | ay^ | TryPod: You don't happen to have a USBkey that you can boot the installer from? |
| 10:23.07 | Mech422 | joschan: if you are willing to invest a little time in setup - try boxbackup.. |
| 10:23.25 | ay^ | I'm the dirty kind |
| 10:23.26 | Bushmills | (advantage of a per-fiile base is, if there's corruption of the archive, not all of the remainder is at risk, or needs fixing. only the one file corrupted file needs to. |
| 10:23.31 | Mech422 | joschan: or with a bit more effort - rsync, amanda, or backula |
| 10:23.40 | TryPod | ay, No :( |
| 10:23.58 | slxix | Mech422: have you ever used storebackup? :P |
| 10:24.06 | ay^ | TryPod: shame.. but there is a way to boot the installer and run everything from hdd |
| 10:24.38 | Mech422 | slxix: nope - I use duplicity mostly. but thats for pretty simple backup plan |
| 10:24.49 | Bushmills | besides, tar is not ideal for *backup*, for safety copy, yes. for backup, you want an incremental solution. like dar, for example |
| 10:25.03 | Mech422 | s/thats for/thats for a/ (duplicity can do more then I use it for... ) |
| 10:25.04 | slxix | Mech422: ah. ok. thanks. ;) |
| 10:25.21 | TryPod | ay, i have mobilephone with 500mb on but i dont know if its bootable from the usb |
| 10:25.32 | joschan | I want something like rar which i know from my old days on ms win. |
| 10:25.47 | ay^ | TryPod: http://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/debian/crossinst/ |
| 10:25.51 | joschan | Maybe there is a debian package that does the same |
| 10:26.21 | Mech422 | ay^: ohh - that link looks useful - I'm trying to debootstrap from red hat 32bit to Etch 64bit |
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| 10:26.36 | Bushmills | that's what they mean by "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"? |
| 10:26.39 | Mech422 | joschan: rar is available in debian |
| 10:26.42 | ay^ | Mech422: :) Hope it works |
| 10:27.34 | Mech422 | ay^: Dang! I didn't even think of boot floppy install... |
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| 10:28.04 | Mech422 | ay^: I just tar'd over a full etch from a working amd64 box - if this doesn't work, I'll try the boot floppy thing |
| 10:28.43 | ay^ | Mech422: I know, floppies are so old these days, we forget they actually work! Oh thats sounds wild and cool, hope the tar-way works! :) |
| 10:29.12 | Mech422 | ay^: eh - tar install is pretty reliable, if you've already got a working bootloader... |
| 10:29.38 | Mech422 | ay^: just dump the tar image on a new partition, fixup the fstab and interfaces file, and adjust the bootloader |
| 10:29.42 | joschan | Thank you guys, for me it was very helpful to understand that i have to use something different than tar. |
| 10:30.18 | Caemyr | damn:< |
| 10:30.23 | Mech422 | ay^: what really sucks, is I'm doing the remotely -with no IPMI or serial console access :-/ |
| 10:30.38 | ay^ | Mech422: oh.. and it doesnt fsck up about symlinks? |
| 10:30.56 | ay^ | I'm a tad newb so when I once tried taring my system it crashed and burned in hell for ever |
| 10:31.02 | ay^ | :]] |
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| 10:31.23 | Mech422 | ay^: nah - tar gets that right ( I use tar --preserve -czvf to create the archive ) |
| 10:31.45 | joschan | ay^: the rar package is in stable, do you believe it is doubtful that it works reliable? |
| 10:32.08 | Mech422 | ay^: the trick is, you need to make the tar image from an _unmounted_ partition - I just shutdown a Xen vm, and use its root partition as a 'template' |
| 10:32.15 | ay^ | oh sweet, I'll have to test that out someday to make some easy peasy installation |
| 10:32.34 | ay^ | Mech422: thats no problem, is it? livecd and then tar it |
| 10:32.53 | ay^ | joschan: Well I'd think so! |
| 10:33.05 | Mech422 | ay^: nah - use a real partition - livecd's have their own weirdnesses |
| 10:33.16 | ay^ | joschan: erh I mean I'd think it works RELIABLE :) |
| 10:33.46 | ay^ | Mech422: mkay, perhaps thats why my taring didn't work? |
| 10:34.07 | Mech422 | joschan: if your backups are that important to you - spend some time googling your options - 'backup strategies' is a very popular topic with professional admins - there's a ton of info. on the net |
| 10:35.19 | Mech422 | grrr... I hate having to wait for theplanet.com to reboot my server... |
| 10:35.44 | Mech422 | I wish they'd get ipmi or at least a remote power switch on the stupid thing |
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| 10:35.56 | visof | ?paste |
| 10:36.02 | visof | ? paste |
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| 10:37.51 | slxix | Mech422: or apt-cache search backup :) |
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| 10:38.13 | Ergo^ | hello |
| 10:38.28 | David` | Hi, I need help getting the brightness working on my laptop, does anybody have experience of hardware problems? |
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| 10:38.49 | slxix | David`: what make/model? |
| 10:38.57 | ay^ | David`: well I have had my fair share of hardware problems, tho, never with brightness |
| 10:39.04 | David` | acer 2920Z |
| 10:39.38 | joschan | Mech422: i want to use this all the time i am compressing, archiving or moving something. i don't see a point in creating archives i cannot rely on for anything |
| 10:39.46 | assasukasse | hi what is the name of the ntp package |
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| 10:40.04 | joschan | i was used to this from zip and rar they always can be checked and i am doing this all the time |
| 10:40.20 | David` | I have kernel 2.6.18-6-686 ACPI 20060707 |
| 10:40.44 | joschan | the possibility of corrupt data is getting higher the bigger the files are, that's a statistical fact, isn't it? |
| 10:40.56 | David` | how do I find out which version of HAL is running? (inexperienced with Linux) |
| 10:40.56 | Ergo^ | what is the best way to get most recent version of wine on lenny ? |
| 10:41.14 | ay^ | Ergo^: google for wine, and install their rep |
| 10:42.09 | Ergo^ | ay^: their repo says "etch" , so i wasnt sure if i should use it for lenny ? |
| 10:42.41 | ay^ | Ergo^: ah.. I'm on lenny and thats how I've done it |
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| 10:44.33 | Bushmills | David`: dpkg -l hal |
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| 10:47.18 | David` | Thanks |
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| 10:51.55 | Ergo^ | so can anyone else confirm that using wines repo for lenny is relatively safe ? |
| 10:52.13 | moo3 | hello all. |
| 10:52.14 | moo3 | can anyone help me with changing my computer fan speed on debian? |
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| 10:53.51 | Bushmills | moo3: install lm-sensors, man fancontrol |
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| 10:54.09 | moo3 | bushmills thank you |
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| 10:55.36 | Mech422 | yes ! |
| 10:55.41 | Mech422 | tar for the win |
| 10:56.00 | Mech422 | we now have 64bit Etch goodness on the co-lo box :-) |
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| 10:58.04 | spikeb | is lenny going to ship with openjdk/icedtea? |
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| 11:06.07 | Ergo^ | in ubuntu there was a nice gui to install debs |
| 11:06.19 | Ergo^ | is this wajig ? |
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| 11:06.28 | Ergo^ | im looking for somthing like that for debian |
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| 11:07.23 | Orion_X11 | Why is that I cannot see any text from the Perseus Library in Linux, but only in Windows? > http://perseus.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html |
| 11:07.47 | Orion_X11 | I know that's not a debian question, but ... |
| 11:08.02 | Orion_X11 | I need some help here. Please |
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| 11:13.55 | groton | what's the most recent doc for building a custom kernel in the Debian Way[tm]? |
| 11:14.45 | abrotman | !kp |
| 11:14.46 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 11:15.16 | abrotman | the kernel-package has documentation |
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| 11:15.34 | Ergo^ | abrotman: is there a gui for installing debs in lenny ? something like gdebi(ithink) in ubuntu ? |
| 11:15.53 | groton | abrotman, is there a list of options to feed dpkg with? On IRC i mean :) |
| 11:16.09 | Ergo^ | groton: just talk to it ;-) |
| 11:16.29 | SPF | wols: I reported the program to use <sys/io.h> and it works, thanks for pointing that out |
| 11:16.50 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 11:16.51 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 11:17.04 | abrotman | Ergo^: synaptic ? |
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| 11:17.37 | Ergo^ | synaptic, no i mean installing a deb that i downloaded "by hand" , and not using dpkg -i for that |
| 11:18.00 | abrotman | you need a GUI for that ? |
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| 11:18.18 | Ergo^ | well it solves other dependiences etc, its handy |
| 11:18.34 | abrotman | Ergo^: dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install .. done |
| 11:18.52 | groton | dpkg rocks! i talked privately for few minutes now :) |
| 11:18.52 | dpkg | groton: are you using Windows? |
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| 11:19.16 | groton | dpkg, no |
| 11:19.17 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 11:19.32 | groton | hah :) |
| 11:19.44 | groton | abrotman, thanks for your help |
| 11:20.09 | Ergo^ | abrotman: i was reading that using synaptic and aptitude is bad, is that true ? |
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| 11:20.23 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use synaptic .. it's quite possible |
| 11:20.31 | wols | Ergo^: no |
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| 11:20.49 | Ergo^ | wols: no - its bad . no, its not bad ? :D |
| 11:20.58 | wols | neither is bad |
| 11:21.05 | wols | mixing apt-get and aptitude however is |
| 11:21.14 | Ergo^ | yeah im asking about mixing |
| 11:21.31 | abrotman | and i'm not sure that's even true anymore since apt-get tracks auto now IIRC |
| 11:21.50 | Ergo^ | i was using both of those and "nothing bad happened" |
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| 11:24.35 | Dynast | What is the way debian handles newer software? i.e. etch installs 2.6.18 kernel, and I need 2.6.24 or higher. Is there a separate repository with additional precompiled .debs, or am I supposed to compile from sources ? |
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| 11:25.18 | _stack | pinning is the way Dynast |
| 11:25.43 | AbsintheSyringe | Dynast, or http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 11:26.37 | abrotman | _stack: no |
| 11:26.43 | abrotman | !tell Dynast about bpo |
| 11:27.24 | _stack | ah ok |
| 11:27.44 | Dynast | Is lenny "usable" for desktop, daily use? When is it going to be relased as stable? |
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| 11:27.51 | wols | abrotman: I was speaking for etch yes. lenny and bove, it's OK |
| 11:27.56 | wols | !tell Dynast about WIR |
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| 11:28.06 | macoute | Dynast: it should be pretty usable, but it is not stable |
| 11:28.07 | wols | Dynast: and no it's not usable unless you know what you are doing |
| 11:28.13 | abrotman | wols: huh ? |
| 11:28.39 | wols | abrotman: apt mixing |
| 11:28.55 | abrotman | right .. but you're not stack |
| 11:29.03 | Ergo^ | byw, do you use compositing in metacity ? |
| 11:29.26 | abrotman | wols: you shouldn't use pinning/mix with etch .. it's less than ideal |
| 11:30.15 | wols | abrotman: mixing aptitude and apt-gte. where did I say about pinning? |
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| 11:30.32 | abrotman | wols: i left that conversation like 10 minutes ago! |
| 11:30.38 | abrotman | wols: that's why i was confused ... |
| 11:30.46 | wols | not my fault you're in a hurry |
| 11:30.53 | abrotman | blames the beer |
| 11:30.56 | wols | slow down, relay, take a spliff from stoned |
| 11:31.05 | wols | *relax |
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| 11:38.23 | sploodge | Does anyone here experience random crashes with kernel >= 2.6.24 and X? |
| 11:38.37 | sploodge | I've tried 2.6.24 and 2.6.26-rc8. |
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| 11:40.29 | Eulex | random X or kernel crashes? |
| 11:40.42 | sploodge | X, but it's the kernel that crashes. |
| 11:40.52 | sploodge | I can't SSH into the system once it freezes. |
| 11:41.04 | Eulex | what driver? |
| 11:41.15 | sploodge | Driver? |
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| 11:41.21 | Eulex | X driver |
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| 11:41.27 | sploodge | Which? |
| 11:41.34 | Eulex | graphics one |
| 11:41.46 | sploodge | NVIDIA. |
| 11:41.46 | Eulex | other are irrelevant in 99% of cases |
| 11:41.49 | sploodge | But it's not the cause. |
| 11:41.58 | Eulex | how did you know? |
| 11:41.58 | sploodge | I've used nv and vesa. |
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| 11:42.05 | sploodge | And it still crashes. |
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| 11:42.19 | Eulex | and you didn't have the nvidia kernel module loaded? |
| 11:42.22 | sploodge | Nope. |
| 11:42.30 | Eulex | and you're sure? |
| 11:42.34 | sploodge | Yep. |
| 11:42.54 | Eulex | you're sure the crash is even related to X? |
| 11:42.56 | abrotman | and if you never start X it stays stable ? |
| 11:43.00 | sploodge | 2.6.18 is fine, which is what I'm running. |
| 11:43.00 | Eulex | oh |
| 11:43.25 | sploodge | Yes, I'm sure it's X related, because without X it's stable. |
| 11:43.42 | sploodge | This happened in other distros too, like Arch. |
| 11:44.06 | Eulex | even if you stress the machine? X and applications running in it might cause cpu and io stress |
| 11:44.21 | sploodge | cpuburn'd it. |
| 11:44.25 | abrotman | so i guess maybe just stick with .18 ... problem solved |
| 11:44.27 | sploodge | memtest86+'d it too. |
| 11:44.48 | sploodge | abrotman, that'd be all fine, but I'd like wireless and panel brightness ;) |
| 11:45.06 | abrotman | sploodge: well .. then trot down to ##kernel and ask them |
| 11:45.21 | Eulex | sploodge, did you manage to catch the potential kernel oops? |
| 11:45.21 | abrotman | sploodge: or try the .24 at backports.org or <etchnhalf> |
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| 11:45.37 | sploodge | It's random. |
| 11:45.42 | abrotman | if you want to compile your own kernel .. this really isn't the channel for your kernel support |
| 11:45.46 | sylvain | Hello, I loaded agpgart and intel-agp, and I still don"t have /dev/agpgart |
| 11:45.51 | sylvain | how is this possible? |
| 11:45.56 | wols | sylvain: dmesg |
| 11:45.56 | sploodge | I compiled my own 2.6.26-rc8 ;) |
| 11:45.57 | Eulex | abrotman, he may be running 2.6.24 from lenny... |
| 11:46.08 | sploodge | Yeah, I am. |
| 11:46.28 | abrotman | from lenny? on etch? |
| 11:46.31 | sylvain | wols: dmesg | grep -i agp only says |
| 11:46.34 | sploodge | Lenny. |
| 11:46.37 | sylvain | Linux agpgart interface v0.102 |
| 11:46.42 | sylvain | on lenny |
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| 11:47.03 | wols | sylvain: don't grep |
| 11:47.16 | sploodge | Unless cat /etc/debian_version lies ;) |
| 11:47.18 | wols | sylvain: this grep is totally useless |
| 11:47.26 | Eulex | tail it, if you just loaded it |
| 11:47.32 | abrotman | sploodge: cat /proc/version |
| 11:47.34 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 11:47.38 | wols | sploodge: debian_version does not just say "lenny" |
| 11:47.47 | sploodge | lenny/sid ;) |
| 11:47.59 | abrotman | sploodge: are different kernel modules loaded if you start X? and does the kernel crash as soon as X is started or after some time? |
| 11:48.14 | sploodge | abrotman, after some time. |
| 11:48.41 | abrotman | lsmod ? |
| 11:49.27 | sylvain | wols: I have nothing related to agp, but you can check my dmesg at http://pastebin.com/d4f64f419 |
| 11:49.30 | sploodge | What, mine? |
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| 11:50.34 | sploodge | http://pastebin.com/m723fd9e4 |
| 11:51.32 | sylvain | wols: how come the kernel dosn't find any AGP related device? |
| 11:51.39 | regis1 | is there a way to get notified when there's a new version of a debian package out? (like xorg-xserver-video-ati driver) |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | sploodge: no .. i was asking if they were different with X started vs not |
| 11:52.04 | sploodge | regis1, aptitude? ;P |
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| 11:52.12 | sploodge | abrotman, oh. |
| 11:52.26 | regis1 | lol yes but without my help :p |
| 11:52.37 | sploodge | abrotman, well, wacom probably wouldn't be loaded. Nor would nvidia. |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | probably? |
| 11:53.25 | sploodge | abrotman, well, it wouldn't be loaded. |
| 11:54.32 | abrotman | blames the wacom .. freaking hippie artists |
| 11:54.42 | sploodge | is not a hippie. |
| 11:54.59 | sylvain | Why doesn't dmesg find anything related to agp while I do have a graphic card plugged on the AGP slot? I did modprobe agpgart and intel-agp |
| 11:55.03 | sploodge | I just like occasionally doodling. |
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| 11:58.16 | sylvain | wols: any idea? |
| 11:58.28 | sploodge | I believe it's the kernel. |
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| 12:00.01 | abrotman | sploodge: you could try running X without the wacom then |
| 12:00.40 | sploodge | It's not the wacom. |
| 12:02.00 | ^shark_ | hi friends i came across this site >> http://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/CertificateCreation how i can create ssl certs for dovecot. I have edited the dovecot-openssl.cnf and also have the mkcert.sh. My question is-- how do i go on from here |
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| 12:02.34 | abrotman | sploodge: if you know what it is, why are you asking us? |
| 12:03.06 | sploodge | abrotman, well, I want to know how to fix it. |
| 12:03.24 | abrotman | well .. first you have to tell us what the cause is |
| 12:03.40 | abrotman | you're saying it's not nvidia .. it's not wacom .. |
| 12:03.47 | sploodge | abrotman, kernel >= 2.6.24 + X. |
| 12:03.52 | abrotman | i asked for a difference in loaded kernel modules |
| 12:03.57 | sploodge | abrotman, I think it actually be the kernel. |
| 12:04.09 | abrotman | then your system should crash without X ? |
| 12:04.22 | sploodge | abrotman, well, no. |
| 12:04.22 | abrotman | how long did you let memtest run ? |
| 12:04.32 | sploodge | abrotman, until it finished :P |
| 12:04.47 | abrotman | it doesn't "finish" .. it just starts again |
| 12:04.57 | sploodge | Meh. |
| 12:05.12 | sploodge | I just let it run once. |
| 12:05.28 | abrotman | sploodge: when the kenrel crashes .. it usually does a dump of the offending module/code |
| 12:05.31 | Eulex | "it's the kernel" <--- care to be more specific? |
| 12:05.43 | abrotman | it's not the wacom! |
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| 12:06.44 | sploodge | abrotman, it doesn't happen after I load a module. |
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| 12:07.51 | abrotman | sploodge: i didn't say that .. i'm saying that when the kernel dumps .. it leaves stuff on your screen, and it usually has some info to give you a hint |
| 12:08.37 | raboof | valdyn: thanks for pointing me to cifs btw, working nicely now: the cifs share remains 'mounted', but when hibernating i shutdown samba and umount the disk until the laptop is resumed |
| 12:09.37 | valdyn | raboof: nice! |
| 12:09.38 | sploodge | abrotman, what I'd assumed you meant was that it dumped when a module was loaded. |
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| 12:09.57 | abrotman | no |
| 12:10.54 | sploodge | Kinda like the sdmmc module on FreeBSD ;) |
| 12:11.05 | janne-5011 | hello, when I do make I have this msg "*** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.". what to do? |
| 12:11.10 | abrotman | for a card reader ? |
| 12:11.19 | abrotman | janne-5011: why are you compiling your own kernel ? |
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| 12:11.30 | sploodge | abrotman, yeah, though this has nothing to do with it ;) |
| 12:11.37 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 12:11.44 | sploodge | :P |
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| 12:12.01 | janne-5011 | abrotman hm and? |
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| 12:12.19 | abrotman | great answer |
| 12:12.35 | janne-5011 | im trying to install a driver for a webcam |
| 12:13.00 | abrotman | you likely don't need to compile a whole new kernel .. most of the time the headers will suffice |
| 12:13.23 | abrotman | janne-5011: which driver? |
| 12:13.29 | janne-5011 | ok and what Im expected to do? |
| 12:13.54 | abrotman | janne-5011: however .. your message above seems to imply that 'make modules' is not longer a valid command ... which i find hard to believe |
| 12:14.08 | abrotman | though i'd have to see the full output |
| 12:14.09 | sploodge | janne-5011, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:14.28 | valdyn | i guess hes running that command in his kernel headers tree |
| 12:14.28 | janne-5011 | gspcav1-20071224 |
| 12:14.34 | valdyn | or something equally silly |
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| 12:14.48 | valdyn | janne-5011: is that not in debian? |
| 12:15.06 | valdyn | janne-5011: oh noes, it IS in debian |
| 12:15.07 | janne-5011 | dunno |
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| 12:15.31 | valdyn | !info gspca-source etch |
| 12:15.37 | valdyn | !info gspca-source lenny |
| 12:15.45 | janne-5011 | ok I try that valdyn |
| 12:15.56 | dpkg | gspca-source: (source for the gspca v4l kernel module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 01.00.04-2 (etch), Packaged size: 129 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 12:15.59 | sylvain | Hello, after the boot sequence, lsmod shows I have agpgart and intel_agp modules loaded, but dmesg doesn't display anything except"Linux agpgart interface v0.102" and /dev/agpgart is not created. Why is that? |
| 12:16.07 | dpkg | gspca-source: (source for the gspca v4l kernel module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 01.00.20-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 12:16.18 | valdyn | janne-5011: try aptitude install gspca-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 12:16.32 | sploodge | apt-build makes me feel like I'm running BSD, heh. |
| 12:16.44 | sploodge | 'cept the BSD kernel compiles faster. |
| 12:16.53 | janne-5011 | ok valdyn |
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| 12:17.09 | zverj | hello. i have failed raid disc with filesystem type "linux raid autodetect". how can i mount that partition on another machine? |
| 12:17.22 | valdyn | zverj: thats not the filesystem type |
| 12:17.34 | zverj | valdyn, fdisk says so |
| 12:17.35 | valdyn | zverj: why would a broken disk mount anywhere? |
| 12:17.41 | valdyn | zverj: hardly |
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| 12:17.52 | zverj | valdyn, its mirror disk, it boots normally |
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| 12:18.08 | valdyn | zverj: mount /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 12:18.33 | valdyn | zverj: that thing is called "partition type id" |
| 12:18.47 | valdyn | zverj: it means nothing for the contained filesystem |
| 12:18.47 | zverj | valdyn, and it says "unrecognised filesystem type: linux raid autodetect" |
| 12:18.54 | valdyn | zverj: what does? |
| 12:19.05 | enouf | agpgart 29232 3 drm,nvidia_agp,intel_agp |
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| 12:19.07 | zverj | valdyn, mount throws that error |
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| 12:19.30 | valdyn | zverj: mount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 12:19.40 | chrisj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.44 | valdyn | zverj: so mount is doing stupid stuff |
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| 12:19.51 | enouf | oh she's gone |
| 12:19.52 | zverj | valdyn, ok, ill try that. thanks |
| 12:19.56 | hoxu | valdyn, I don't think you can mount it like that :p |
| 12:20.17 | dspstv | whats that utility that pipes to pastebin? |
| 12:20.21 | valdyn | hoxu: what cant I? |
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| 12:20.39 | abrotman | dspstv: i don't think it's packaged in debian |
| 12:20.46 | dspstv | wakala |
| 12:21.08 | hoxu | !info pastebinit sid |
| 12:21.12 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 12:21.22 | abrotman | yay finally .. or something |
| 12:21.29 | dspstv | hehe |
| 12:21.47 | valdyn | i didnt know that mount w/ no fs specified will even check for the type id |
| 12:21.49 | valdyn | how silly |
| 12:22.14 | janne-5011 | valdyn : "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gspca-modules" " |
| 12:22.24 | valdyn | janne-5011: cut and paste is hard |
| 12:22.54 | valdyn | janne-5011: "aptitude install gspca-modules-$(uname -r)" |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | non-free contrib ? |
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| 12:23.53 | valdyn | janne-5011: doesnt mean it will actually find the package, but the error message should at least show gspci-modules-2.6.18-6-686 or similar |
| 12:23.58 | defrysk | its in main afaIk |
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| 12:24.30 | janne-5011 | bash: uname-r: command not found ... |
| 12:24.38 | valdyn | janne-5011: damn |
| 12:24.43 | valdyn | janne-5011: you really cant cut & paste ? |
| 12:25.01 | valdyn | janne-5011: theres a space between "uname" and "-r" |
| 12:25.04 | sploodge | Heh. |
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| 12:25.18 | defrysk | uname -r |
| 12:25.20 | sploodge | Cutting and pasting requires a PhD, apparently. |
| 12:25.23 | defrysk | hence the space |
| 12:25.28 | janne-5011 | yes i did exact. but i cant copy with the damn irc app i got but i did wright right (2 timed) |
| 12:25.46 | janne-5011 | ok I try with space |
| 12:26.03 | hoxu | janne-5011, then learn to read? :P |
| 12:26.11 | janne-5011 | =) |
| 12:26.17 | janne-5011 | be kind and polite=) |
| 12:26.22 | hoxu | !penixstrike janne-5011 |
| 12:26.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking janne-5011 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:26.27 | valdyn | janne-5011: you just need to mark it with your mouse and use the middle mouse button to paste |
| 12:26.34 | sploodge | ... wtf? |
| 12:26.46 | janne-5011 | valdyn it dont works belive me-miranda |
| 12:26.48 | chrisj | What's a penix? |
| 12:27.05 | hoxu | chrisj, who is the right question |
| 12:27.12 | sploodge | Well, I'm assuming s/x/s/ |
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| 12:27.29 | abrotman | sploodge: no .. it's his IRC nick |
| 12:27.39 | sploodge | Heh. |
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| 12:28.01 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:28.07 | enouf | !literal pastebin pipe |
| 12:28.08 | dpkg | "pastebin pipe" is "Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on sid. see pastebinit : (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB (Only in lenny and sid though)" |
| 12:28.10 | valdyn | janne-5011: "aptitude install build-essential && m-a prepare && m-a a-i gspca" has no chance of being copied down correctly now ;) |
| 12:28.21 | hoxu | How do you guys use 6to4 on debian with DHCP? From dhclient exit hooks? |
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| 12:28.57 | sploodge | hoxu, I have 4to6, heh. |
| 12:29.15 | abrotman | m-a a-i does the prepare if needed |
| 12:29.25 | enouf | !literal pastebin pipe =~ s/if you are on sid/If you are on lenny or sid/ |
| 12:29.25 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'literal pastebin pipe' to modify, enouf |
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| 12:29.34 | abrotman | valdyn: are you sure he has the correct sources for that to work ? |
| 12:29.51 | enouf | dang, that factoid is busted a bit |
| 12:29.52 | valdyn | abrotman: hes giving wrong error messages that clearly indicate he cant type or cant cut & paste |
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| 12:29.55 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 12:29.59 | sploodge | o/ |
| 12:29.59 | abrotman | enouf: i'll fix it .. maybe |
| 12:30.06 | enouf | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 12:30.09 | abrotman | valdyn: it's not my fault! |
| 12:30.19 | janne-5011 | Couldn't find any package whose name o r description matched "gspca-modules-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx" |
| 12:30.25 | Quibus | I'm having problems getting sound in some apps, giving the error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 12:30.25 | Quibus | However, I'm not running artsd or esd |
| 12:30.29 | janne-5011 | assume thats it |
| 12:30.32 | Quibus | What could it be? |
| 12:30.37 | sploodge | ixp4xx? o.o |
| 12:30.38 | valdyn | janne-5011: ok then, package not there -> use the other command i showed |
| 12:30.47 | Quibus | lsof doesn't give any clue |
| 12:30.48 | abrotman | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:30.49 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on sid. see pastebinit : (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB (Only in lenny and sid though) |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | better ? |
| 12:30.52 | janne-5011 | ok valdyn |
| 12:30.56 | abrotman | grr |
| 12:30.56 | abrotman | no |
| 12:31.05 | valdyn | janne-5011: "aptitude install build-essential && m-a prepare && m-a a-i gspca" |
| 12:31.07 | vadmeste | Quibus: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 12:31.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: u ruines it! |
| 12:31.20 | Quibus | vadmeste: nothing |
| 12:31.30 | abrotman | i made it better! |
| 12:31.32 | valdyn | what kind of kernel is that ix4pxx kernel though? |
| 12:31.37 | giantbicycle | Quibus, fuser -m /dev/dsp |
| 12:31.40 | valdyn | !ix4pxx |
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| 12:31.55 | abrotman | slug ? |
| 12:31.55 | sploodge | I have kernel-2.6.26-rc8-sploodge ;) |
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| 12:31.59 | Quibus | giantbicycle: that gives some numbers: /dev/dsp: 5953 6004 6010 6013 6016 6017 6037 6038 6040 6042 6047 6048 6067 6072 6089 6091 6096 6105 6160 6162 6164 6167 6169 6173 7093 7094 7288 7951 8012 8014m 8028 8222 8234 8239 |
| 12:32.02 | jelly-home | valdyn: ixp4xx? intel's arm? |
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| 12:32.09 | valdyn | jelly-home: ah, thanks |
| 12:32.11 | Quibus | these are pids? |
| 12:32.13 | bolt | apple juice! |
| 12:32.29 | giantbicycle | Quibus, yes PID , you can check with "ps aux" |
| 12:32.52 | Quibus | giantbicycle: OK, but I don't think I want to kill all of these procs |
| 12:33.08 | Quibus | I should be able to have sound from multiple procs at the same time, right? |
| 12:33.19 | valdyn | Quibus: no, not with /dev/dsp |
| 12:33.30 | giantbicycle | Quibus, mixer ? |
| 12:33.37 | Quibus | giantbicycle: mixer? |
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| 12:33.53 | enouf | Quibus: tried fuser -m /dev/snd/* yet? |
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| 12:34.13 | Quibus | enouf: loads of pids |
| 12:34.20 | janne-5011 | valdyn its for arm |
| 12:34.23 | enouf | ok, as mentioned - ps aux |
| 12:34.27 | Quibus | actualy, the same list as for /dev/dsp |
| 12:34.46 | Quibus | I remember having played this game while having e.g. xchat running... without problems |
| 12:34.52 | enouf | Quibus: wel, you got a ton of crap running, lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd' |
| 12:35.02 | sploodge | Wow, Linux runs on ARM? |
| 12:35.10 | valdyn | sploodge: sure |
| 12:35.12 | Quibus | enouf: I don' thave esd/artsd running |
| 12:35.18 | enouf | Quibus: you do |
| 12:35.18 | chrisj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.20 | abrotman | sploodge: and lots of other things |
| 12:35.22 | valdyn | sploodge: why would it not run on the most widespread cpu arch? |
| 12:35.28 | Quibus | these pids refer to almost all GNOME apps I've running here |
| 12:35.28 | sploodge | The next thing we'd have is like.. MIPS *snigger* |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | wait .. i was right and jelly-home was wrong?!!? |
| 12:35.37 | enouf | Quibus: and/or firfox-bin and flash are killing you |
| 12:35.42 | janne-5011 | splodge http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 12:35.42 | abrotman | sploodge: runs on mips and mipsel too |
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| 12:35.48 | enouf | Quibus: and/or firefox-bin and flash are killing you |
| 12:35.52 | sploodge | abrotman, joke. |
| 12:35.55 | enouf | Quibus: and gnome uses esd |
| 12:36.06 | abrotman | sploodge: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/ |
| 12:36.10 | janne-5011 | think its works valdyn=) |
| 12:36.12 | enouf | see the lsof output? |
| 12:36.17 | janne-5011 | thanks |
| 12:36.22 | enouf | see libesd? |
| 12:36.24 | Quibus | enouf: there's no output on lsof on /dev/dsp |
| 12:36.27 | sploodge | enouf, or PulseAudio ;) |
| 12:36.32 | enouf | Quibus: wrong command |
| 12:36.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: nooo |
| 12:36.40 | abrotman | yes yes!! |
| 12:36.40 | enouf | sploodge: ouch, ubuntu here? |
| 12:36.49 | sploodge | enouf, how dare you! |
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| 12:37.08 | valdyn | Quibus: you cant have more than 1 application use /dev/dsp to output sound at a time |
| 12:37.15 | sploodge | You hurt my feelings. D=< |
| 12:37.28 | sploodge | Quibus, though you can aoss it ;) |
| 12:37.34 | abrotman | valdyn: unless that app is a software mixer? |
| 12:37.39 | Quibus | valdyn: OK, but I have no idea which app is using /dev/dsp |
| 12:37.58 | Quibus | well, except for the tons of pids you saw, but they seem to be using it at the same time as well |
| 12:38.01 | enouf | there's a /dev/adsp too :-P (not sure what it does though) |
| 12:38.06 | valdyn | abrotman: or that mixer is the one app |
| 12:38.10 | Quibus | sploodge: meaning? |
| 12:38.35 | giantbicycle | /dev/adsp --> ALSA ; /dev/dsp --> OSS ? |
| 12:38.47 | valdyn | Quibus: thats probably just volume controls |
| 12:38.48 | enouf | yep |
| 12:38.53 | valdyn | giantbicycle: no |
| 12:39.04 | enouf | it would appear so, but nobody ever asks or mentions /dev/adsp |
| 12:39.17 | enouf | lshal shows it nicely though |
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| 12:39.42 | enouf | lshal | grep driver even :-) |
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| 12:40.10 | sploodge | Quibus, you can prefix programs that use /dev/dsp with aoss. |
| 12:40.16 | valdyn | hmm adsp seems to be alsa |
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| 12:40.21 | enouf | gah |
| 12:40.21 | valdyn | but thats really really stupid, dont use it |
| 12:40.23 | sploodge | To make it run through ALSA. |
| 12:40.24 | enouf | i meant ~$ lshal | grep device_file |
| 12:40.40 | sploodge | valdyn, wait, why? |
| 12:40.59 | valdyn | sploodge: because applications must not directly use device nodes in alsa |
| 12:41.13 | sploodge | valdyn, what, with aoss? |
| 12:41.16 | valdyn | sploodge: that breaks everything you use asoundrc or asound.conf for |
| 12:41.29 | valdyn | sploodge: aoss uses libasound |
| 12:41.38 | Quibus | So, how do I get Enemy Territory (e.g.) to run? |
| 12:41.47 | Quibus | or other apps that use /dev/dsp |
| 12:41.50 | valdyn | sploodge: alsa apps use libasound, libasound accesses device nodes |
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| 12:42.06 | enouf | looks like an oss thing, not shown when ~$ lshal | grep device_file | grep alsa |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | use dmix ? |
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| 12:42.20 | enouf | an OSS wrapper for ALSA O_o |
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| 12:42.42 | delire | anyone have experience with Debian on the Thinkpad X60s? i've looked at various howtos, and on ThinkWiki, but still the temperature rises 120C on the thing in the summer and it simply shuts down. |
| 12:42.57 | jelly-home | delire: which kernel are you using? |
| 12:43.03 | delire | freq scaling is working fine |
| 12:43.04 | Quibus | abrotman: how? |
| 12:43.10 | delire | jelly-home: it's running stock etch |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 12:43.12 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 12:43.24 | valdyn | delire: your sensor readings are wrong |
| 12:43.29 | valdyn | delire: where are you getting them? |
| 12:43.30 | abrotman | delire: fan control ? |
| 12:43.41 | delire | abrotman: yes i worry this is the case. |
| 12:44.07 | jelly-home | delire: try the 2.6.24 one from etchnhalf, it has newer ibm-acpi, er, thinkpad-acpi modules |
| 12:44.15 | sploodge | Or you could all use good ol' 4Front OSS ;) |
| 12:44.25 | stew | a recent thinkpad wont even finish POST with a malfunctioning fan |
| 12:44.26 | delire | jelly-home: hey thanks.. that's a good lead. |
| 12:44.28 | Quibus | abrotman: that wiki page says it is enabled by default |
| 12:44.47 | abrotman | i don't think that's the case |
| 12:44.50 | sploodge | Quibus, aoss <filename>? |
| 12:44.53 | valdyn | i dont think *any* thinkpad would do anything but long be shut down at 120C |
| 12:44.56 | jelly-home | !tell delire about etchnhalf |
| 12:45.25 | enouf | is joey's page back up? |
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| 12:45.52 | delire | valdyn: i'm getting them from /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/, but when i see the err of 120C it's a system shutdown report, so i don't know at this point where they are derived |
| 12:46.01 | enouf | ok, factoid has been altered |
| 12:46.04 | Quibus | sploodge: that worked for mpg123, but not for e.g. wolfenstein |
| 12:46.08 | delire | valdyn: oops, i mean /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM* |
| 12:46.31 | enouf | uh oh == Not Found The requested URL /cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ was not found on this server. |
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| 12:46.32 | sploodge | Quibus, oh, do you have PulseAudio, ESD, artS or anything? |
| 12:46.36 | vadmeste | delire: who halt your system, debian or your system itself ? |
| 12:46.38 | valdyn | delire: shutdown and look at temps in bios? |
| 12:46.38 | Quibus | sploodge: nope |
| 12:46.41 | sploodge | Quibus, oh. |
| 12:46.53 | delire | valdyn: i'm not sure yet. it happens very fast. |
| 12:46.56 | enouf | it wasn't joey, my bad, it was franz |
| 12:47.01 | valdyn | delire: that 120 cant be right i think, usually systems would shut off before that, by default |
| 12:47.01 | sploodge | Quibus, kill everything using sound? ;P |
| 12:47.08 | delire | vadmeste: i'm not sure yet, it happens very fast. |
| 12:47.15 | Quibus | sploodge: that's about all desktop progs... :( |
| 12:47.18 | delire | valdyn: i would think so too.. |
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| 12:47.27 | sploodge | Quibus, hmm. |
| 12:47.37 | jelly-home | valdyn: interestingly, my Z60m acts rather wierd with 2.6.25-2-686, and rises up to 70C; usual working temp is 50-55C with 2.6.24 or lower |
| 12:47.45 | delire | valdyn: it's a good idea to look at the temps in the bios. |
| 12:47.59 | valdyn | jelly-home: ah, i agree, i think new kernels fucked up something there |
| 12:48.04 | sploodge | Quibus, you could always get a sound server and try to redirect /dev/dsp through that. |
| 12:48.11 | valdyn | jelly-home: but all i got really is a fan that runs to much |
| 12:48.12 | Quibus | I didn't have this problem at all on my previous PC which had an emu10k1 |
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| 12:48.16 | jelly-home | delire: what does cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal say? |
| 12:48.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: nothing good for a bug report |
| 12:48.28 | sploodge | Quibus, oh, you want MIDI? |
| 12:48.41 | Quibus | sploodge: um, why do you think that? |
| 12:48.58 | sploodge | Quibus, that's what I usually think when I see emu10k1 ;) |
| 12:49.08 | Quibus | it was an SB Live card |
| 12:49.19 | enouf | Quibus: is alsa even installed? |
| 12:49.20 | Quibus | I'm now using on board sound from Intel (ICH10) |
| 12:49.24 | janne-5011 | valdyn it worked. gspca module works,but I think I need to get rid of one other module "zc0301" how do I do it? |
| 12:49.27 | enouf | Quibus: using OSS? |
| 12:49.29 | Quibus | enouf: it's a fresh testing install |
| 12:49.40 | Quibus | With 2.6.24 kernel |
| 12:49.41 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 12:49.42 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 12:50.00 | valdyn | !blacklist_initramfs |
| 12:50.01 | Quibus | So, yes, ALSA is installed, and all the oss-compat stuff as well |
| 12:50.01 | enouf | Quibus: pastebin output of COLMUNS=175 dpkg -l alsa* |
| 12:50.03 | delire | jelly-home: i'm restarting it now. i only have a few minutes when it's up. |
| 12:50.04 | sploodge | Wait, do SB Live!s have hardware mixing? |
| 12:50.09 | valdyn | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 12:50.09 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 12:50.12 | delire | jelly-home: Madrid is extremely hot at present |
| 12:50.41 | vadmeste | delire: take care of yourself |
| 12:50.45 | valdyn | delire: oh it does actually shut down because of heat? |
| 12:50.46 | enouf | sploodge: cheap ones no |
| 12:50.52 | delire | valdyn: yep.. |
| 12:51.07 | enouf | sploodge: gah, i'm thinking of Audigy crap, sorry |
| 12:51.08 | sploodge | enouf, I don't know much about SB cards, I've only got an HDAudio. |
| 12:51.12 | Quibus | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/F0pCx669.html |
| 12:51.44 | jelly-home | delire: what's the ambiental temp. where you're using the machine? |
| 12:51.50 | enouf | Quibus: not sure, try installing plain alsa |
| 12:52.08 | Quibus | enouf: doesn't do anything (no packages to install) |
| 12:52.10 | delire | jelly-home: i don't know what the temperature of our lounge is atm.. |
| 12:52.32 | sploodge | Quibus, well, that's ALSA. |
| 12:52.32 | enouf | crap,, yeah, it's a MetaPkg |
| 12:52.41 | delire | jelly-home: it's too hot to wear a top, if that counts for anything. |
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| 12:53.07 | sploodge | Quibus, wait, what actually happens when you run it through aoss? |
| 12:53.09 | jelly-home | delire: so, say 35C :-) |
| 12:53.17 | enouf | Quibus: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:53.19 | Quibus | sploodge: the same error: Device or resource busy |
| 12:53.34 | delire | jelly-home: i guess so, yes. |
| 12:53.36 | sploodge | Quibus, hmm. |
| 12:53.40 | mark7 | sploodge: I have an SB Live, and it does do hardware mixing. |
| 12:53.57 | sploodge | Well, is the application statically linked? |
| 12:54.04 | enouf | Quibus: though i bet something like Pulse or Jack or Firefox, or Flash is running - fire up alsamixer as well |
| 12:54.08 | Quibus | sploodge: probably |
| 12:54.26 | sploodge | Quibus, hmm, you probably can't LD_PRELOAD, then. |
| 12:54.38 | Quibus | alsamixer shows 2 channels, all having volume |
| 12:54.58 | Jyzygzy- | how do you minimize app thats in fullscreen mode? |
| 12:55.03 | vadmeste | delire: can you verify if the ventilator is working ? |
| 12:55.10 | Jyzygzy- | like opengl app |
| 12:55.16 | jelly-home | delire: dunno, could be something with .18 and your machine; if you have a discrete graphics card and are using a 3D intensive app, try switching 3D off. |
| 12:55.17 | enouf | some Games can't use software mixing or somecrap , as i recall |
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| 12:55.21 | valdyn | Jyzygzy-: depends on your window manager and the app |
| 12:55.23 | delire | vadmeste: i'm not sure. |
| 12:55.42 | jelly-home | delire: pastebin the contents of /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 12:55.43 | valdyn | enouf: some games / apps do not use libasound for alsa, which is totally broken |
| 12:55.49 | Quibus | Note that sound works fine, just for some apps I get the /dev/dsp error |
| 12:55.51 | sploodge | Quibus, if you really can't use it, then you'd have to kill all your sound apps. |
| 12:55.53 | delire | jelly-home: it's actually my wife's machine. she runs a very light window manager, vim, mutt and a browser pretty much. |
| 12:55.59 | enouf | valdyn: thanks for the clarification ;-) |
| 12:56.01 | delire | jelly-home: ok, i will do |
| 12:56.03 | valdyn | enouf: very few though |
| 12:56.13 | Quibus | Rhythmbox, iceweasel, flash, mpg123 with aoss, all work fine |
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| 12:56.25 | enouf | valdyn: so they can then HOG /dev/dsp no? |
| 12:56.28 | valdyn | Quibus: you need to configure sound of those apps that use /dev/dsp to use alsa |
| 12:56.40 | valdyn | enouf: they hog /dev/snd/something |
| 12:56.47 | enouf | valdyn: ahh .. nasty |
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| 12:57.39 | valdyn | Quibus: most applications either use gstreamer or the kde sound stuff, gstreamer is the ones you mentioned, many also use libao, which is configurable too |
| 12:57.44 | enouf | i recall dmix, and then there;s also 'dsnoop' .. i forget all about what it is/does though - likely not relevant i guess |
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| 12:58.03 | valdyn | dsnoop is dmix for input |
| 12:58.04 | Quibus | dmix is obsolete, says the wiki page |
| 12:58.17 | soulchild | Hi all, i have a problem with bootchart, is this the right place for asking ? |
| 12:58.40 | valdyn | Quibus: maybe alsa uses dmix by default now |
| 12:58.48 | Quibus | valdyn: so it says |
| 12:59.18 | xann | Very simple question: Is it possible to run TrueCrypt via commandline on debian? |
| 12:59.22 | valdyn | Quibus: so which apps are giving you problems? |
| 12:59.41 | delire | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/ofz9Ch14.html |
| 12:59.50 | Quibus | valdyn: so far I only tried wolfenstein (RTCW), which is a proprietary app of course |
| 13:00.06 | valdyn | Quibus: that doesnt work with "aoss" ? |
| 13:00.24 | Quibus | valdyn: nope, doesn't seem to matter. I added it to the start up script, to no avail |
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| 13:00.42 | soulchild | How can i open a svgz file (gzipped svg ) ??? |
| 13:00.44 | jelly-home | delire: it says it's working :-) what about /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal ? |
| 13:00.45 | Quibus | probably because it's statically linked |
| 13:00.45 | enouf | interesting, i certainly need to revisit the wiki .. ahh "dsnoop is the equivalent of the dmix plugin, but for recording sound. The dsnoop plugin allows several applications to record from the same device simultaneously." http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dsnoop |
| 13:01.13 | delire | jelly-home: just a mo. |
| 13:01.59 | valdyn | Quibus: can you read german? |
| 13:02.06 | Quibus | a bit |
| 13:02.23 | delire | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/MgmcQx96.html |
| 13:02.24 | valdyn | Quibus: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spiele/Wolfenstein_Enemy_Territory, look at "4. Moglichkeit" |
| 13:02.24 | vadmeste | xann: you installed truecrypt with synaptic ? |
| 13:02.34 | Quibus | checking |
| 13:02.34 | delire | jelly-home: nothing there looks too alarming. |
| 13:02.41 | giantbicycle | soulchild, zcat bootchart.svgz > bootchart.svg |
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| 13:02.54 | soulchild | giantbicycle: thanks |
| 13:02.54 | enouf | jelly-home: in our debian testing/sid kernels (.24-.25 ish) has /proc/acpi yet been supplanted/moved into /sys/* do you know? might be important if s/he installs a new kernel, then goes looking in /proc/acpi/ again |
| 13:02.56 | jelly-home | delire: 54 / 48 looks all right |
| 13:03.43 | xann | vadmeste: I downloaded a .deb file and had to do apt-get -f install which installed fuse-utils |
| 13:03.44 | vadmeste | delire: but I think after moments, it will be 100 |
| 13:03.50 | jelly-home | enouf: it's all still there in .24; .25 is too broken for me |
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| 13:04.13 | enouf | jelly-home: ok, thanks for the update ; sorry to hear about your .25 woes :-/ |
| 13:04.20 | vadmeste | xann: open synaptic, search for you package, and see installed files |
| 13:04.21 | delire | vadmeste: i'm tailing it now.. |
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| 13:04.39 | vadmeste | xann: you'll search for files installed in bin directory |
| 13:04.48 | Quibus | valdyn: hmm, I'm not running ET, though... but RTCW |
| 13:05.25 | xann | vadmeste: I'm logged in via shell, without a graphical interface, I want to avoid any graphical interaction |
| 13:05.45 | Dewi | how do I see the build-depends for a package? |
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| 13:05.59 | Dewi | (on PDO or from commandline... ?) |
| 13:06.02 | stew | Dewi: apt-cache showsrc packagename |
| 13:06.09 | stew | Dewi: from pdo, look at the .dsc |
| 13:06.16 | Dewi | stew: aah yeah |
| 13:06.18 | Dewi | stew: thanks |
| 13:06.22 | dustybin | when i use screen with the console email client 'mutt' text breaks up on the page, if i use mutt without screen, everything is ok, what does screen do to make mutt break up text? |
| 13:06.24 | giantbicycle | xann, dpkg -l | grep what_you want |
| 13:06.30 | valdyn | Quibus: its the same for rtcw, but i found english instructions too http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=362231 |
| 13:07.07 | Quibus | valdyn: I'll try it! I had the same problem with the q3a-demo indeed |
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| 13:07.20 | xann | giantbicycle: it is listed there, however I get an error when running truecrypt: "truecrypt: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 13:07.20 | giantbicycle | xann, and try dpkg -i xxx.deb |
| 13:07.23 | soulchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.27 | valdyn | Quibus: its just a fancy aoss for those games |
| 13:07.39 | Quibus | OK |
| 13:07.50 | Quibus | I'll try it : |
| 13:07.51 | Quibus | ) |
| 13:08.07 | sploodge | Sudan Ubuntu Forums? Wow. |
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| 13:08.49 | giantbicycle | xann, maybe check weather the "libgtk2.0-0" installed or not ? |
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| 13:09.26 | xann | giantbicycle: you're right :p |
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| 13:10.17 | andypls1 | Hello.. I have a problem with compiling a project I am working on |
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| 13:10.41 | andypls1 | anybody? |
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| 13:10.59 | hoxu | reads andypls1's mind and deems the problem unsolvable |
| 13:11.05 | sploodge | andypls1, it would really help if you told us your problem ;) |
| 13:11.27 | giantbicycle | soulchild, it seems the format supported by gqview are raster, jpg, png |
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| 13:12.27 | hoxu | !readming andypls1 |
| 13:12.31 | hoxu | !readmind andypls1 |
| 13:12.31 | dpkg | reads andypls1's mind... it's all empty |
| 13:12.41 | vadmeste | andypls1: maybe you have to join #c, #java, ... |
| 13:12.53 | enouf | sploodge: sudan is on the right continent :-P |
| 13:12.54 | andypls1 | Ok, I wrote some code for the project, I put it in a file A.c, and made A.h as well. In the directory where I save those 2 file, I also edited the Makefile to include them. Now, when I reference the functions from B.c, in the same directory, I get "undefine reference to..." |
| 13:13.24 | andypls1 | so when I "make" in that directory, it works OK, but when I make for the whole project, i get undefined references... |
| 13:13.40 | vadmeste | andypls1: join #c |
| 13:13.45 | sploodge | enouf, I'm on no continent :P |
| 13:13.58 | giantbicycle | andypls1, /join ##c |
| 13:14.11 | andypls1 | ok |
| 13:14.28 | enouf | aye me pirate <wink wink> .. oh wait, i got a patch on that eye :-P |
| 13:14.47 | sploodge | No, I'm actually not really on a continent :P |
| 13:15.04 | enouf | sploodge: people at sea aren't either ;-) |
| 13:15.09 | enouf | sploodge: nor in the air |
| 13:15.15 | sploodge | enouf, true ;) |
| 13:15.32 | sploodge | enouf, I'm too poor to fly in a plane with wireless ;) |
| 13:15.36 | vadmeste | vadmeste: this is my job as a newbie.. redirect newbies to the right channel.. |
| 13:15.36 | andypls1 | i need to register to talk in ##c.. |
| 13:15.39 | enouf | haha |
| 13:15.42 | sploodge | enouf, and this kernel doesn't help. |
| 13:15.56 | stew | andypls1: /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:15.57 | enouf | ho hum .. now you're boring me |
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| 13:16.35 | enouf | yes, in ##c you can't change your nick either .. mwahahha |
| 13:16.46 | sploodge | It's sad that Lufthansa ended their wireless broadband. ;-; |
| 13:17.16 | enouf | why do i recall some major lufthansa thing ~ Sarge times |
| 13:17.28 | sploodge | Meh. |
| 13:17.44 | sploodge | I started with Etch ;) |
| 13:17.56 | enouf | something like clearinghouse giveaway of computers :-P |
| 13:18.13 | xann | Hello, I installed truecrypt, it gives me this when running it: "libSM.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" --> anyone know to which package libSM.so.6 belongs? (I already tried "apt-file search libSM", but not results) |
| 13:18.18 | enouf | has a weird memory .. you don't want to look inside |
| 13:18.34 | sploodge | !readmind enouf |
| 13:18.35 | dpkg | reads enouf's mind... it's like a blank book |
| 13:18.39 | sploodge | Indeed. |
| 13:19.02 | andypls1 | i registered and still i can't talk |
| 13:19.09 | vadmeste | xann : apt-get install libsm6 |
| 13:19.21 | enouf | xann: maybe you can run ldd on a truecrypt lib? oh nm .. |
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| 13:20.06 | jelly-home | andypls1: can't talk where? |
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| 13:20.19 | sploodge | Reading big red text obviously written by some < amateur web designer = ow. |
| 13:20.40 | giantbicycle | jelly-home, andypls1 can't talk in ##c |
| 13:20.41 | andypls1 | in ##x . I registered my nick in the server... |
| 13:20.49 | andypls1 | ##c i meant.. |
| 13:20.56 | jelly-home | andypls1: ... ask in #freenode? |
| 13:20.59 | enouf | andypls1: identify |
| 13:21.18 | enouf | andypls1: identify yourself to nickserv/chanserv |
| 13:21.27 | Nyle | good morning |
| 13:21.38 | andypls1 | enouf: what do you mean |
| 13:21.40 | andypls1 | ? |
| 13:21.40 | enouf | morn stoned |
| 13:21.43 | jelly-home | andypls1: //msg nickserv identify yourpassword |
| 13:21.55 | andypls1 | [Notice] -NickServ- You are already logged in as andypls1 |
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| 13:22.01 | enouf | do /msg nickserv identify help |
| 13:22.02 | andypls1 | this is the reply i get |
| 13:22.19 | jelly-home | andypls1: it ought to work then. ask freenode staff. |
| 13:22.32 | Nyle | omg no way i found a dead tiny roach |
| 13:22.40 | Nyle | fuck ny |
| 13:22.45 | rvsjoen | weird, your whois doesnt say youre identified |
| 13:22.46 | enouf | in your mouth? |
| 13:22.47 | Nyle | roach infested hell hole |
| 13:23.13 | Nyle | i found one tiny roach in 1 month, not bad though |
| 13:23.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: did it have debian installed on it? |
| 13:23.17 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:23.18 | Nyle | a roach? |
| 13:23.21 | Nyle | what?! |
| 13:23.24 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 13:23.31 | Nyle | yes it did |
| 13:23.36 | Nyle | etch 4.0r3 |
| 13:23.37 | jelly-home | nice. |
| 13:23.40 | Nyle | even had x11 |
| 13:23.45 | jelly-home | then it's not offtopic |
| 13:23.52 | Nyle | absolutely not |
| 13:24.00 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 13:24.02 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:24.04 | Nyle | sorry guys |
| 13:24.10 | sploodge | Oh, yay, it's Sunday. |
| 13:24.11 | Nyle | goes to d-ot |
| 13:24.14 | enouf | andypls1: there's a whole procedure now for linking oTHER nicks to your originally signed in with one .. here's some info http://blog.freenode.net/ |
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| 13:24.30 | xann | what can I do about these 2 errors (when running truecrypt) |
| 13:24.30 | xann | truecrypt: /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2: version `FUSE_2.6' not found (required by truecrypt) |
| 13:24.30 | xann | truecrypt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by truecrypt) |
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| 13:24.53 | Quibus | valdyn: well, that works :-) |
| 13:24.59 | soulchild | What do I need to vies SVG files (libary) ? |
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| 13:25.55 | enouf | i think i killed dpkg :-/ |
| 13:26.16 | stew | xann: recompile it against etch libraries instead of using a version compiled for testing/unstable |
| 13:26.24 | stew | !test |
| 13:26.25 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:26.32 | enouf | there's no trucrypt/truecrypt in debian |
| 13:26.39 | xann | :/ |
| 13:26.44 | andypls1 | ah... |
| 13:26.57 | andypls1 | anyway u guys have no idea? |
| 13:26.59 | enouf | she never returned when i did /msg dpkg find trucrypt |
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| 13:27.20 | sploodge | Oh crap, what did I just do... |
| 13:27.28 | enouf | but it's all ok, i used info and it worked |
| 13:27.54 | stew | andypls1: if you are having trouble with ##c, i'd recommend asking in #freenode |
| 13:28.33 | Nyle | hey jelly bro |
| 13:28.42 | Nyle | you can join #debian-offtopic? |
| 13:28.52 | jelly-home | I can't. |
| 13:28.57 | Nyle | why come? |
| 13:29.05 | jelly-home | already there |
| 13:29.07 | Nyle | oh |
| 13:29.14 | Nyle | i didn't see in /who list |
| 13:29.14 | enouf | ditto |
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| 13:29.27 | Nyle | oh nm, top of list |
| 13:29.33 | vadmeste | andypls1: I think that you forget to add #include "A.h" in B.c file... |
| 13:29.57 | stew | vadmeste: no, he has a linker error, not a compiler error |
| 13:30.37 | andypls1 | em.. no i included that... |
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| 13:31.42 | rvsjoen | did you list A as a dependecy of B in the makefile ? and include the object file of A in the linking process ? |
| 13:32.22 | jelly-home | ... is this a C channel? |
| 13:32.25 | stew | no |
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| 13:32.44 | rvsjoen | I actually though I was typing in #c++ |
| 13:32.47 | rvsjoen | sorry about that |
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| 13:33.02 | andypls1 | the think is that, A and B are both in the same directory |
| 13:33.05 | andypls1 | thing* |
| 13:33.12 | Quibus | Next up: getting the doom3 demo to work |
| 13:33.17 | Quibus | It segfaults on me |
| 13:33.27 | Quibus | Could be AMD64 issue? |
| 13:33.27 | stew | andypls1: please ask in ##c, not here |
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| 13:33.43 | vadmeste | Quibus: no of course |
| 13:33.58 | Quibus | vadmeste: well, the docs say it should work indeed |
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| 13:35.04 | vadmeste | Quibus: it was I tried to say.. it should work on AMD64 as well as Intel |
| 13:35.11 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian.blue.bg.logo2.jpg <-- i made another one feel free to use |
| 13:35.18 | Nyle | people |
| 13:35.21 | Quibus | vadmeste: I meant the arch, not the manufacturer :-) |
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| 13:36.29 | vadmeste | Quibus: me too I meant that should work also in AMD64 arch |
| 13:36.40 | Quibus | OK, but still it segfaults on me. |
| 13:36.52 | Quibus | WARNING: vertex array range in virtual memory (SLOW) |
| 13:36.52 | Quibus | signal caught: Segmentation fault |
| 13:37.20 | vadmeste | Quibus: Doom3 is compiled for linux or you try to run it with Windows Emulator ? |
| 13:37.27 | Quibus | The Linux version |
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| 13:41.12 | mmu_man | anyone has glade.h somewhere in /usr/include ? |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | !tell mmu_man about search |
| 13:41.39 | mmu_man | trying to cross build with mingw... the gtk dev bundle has it in include/libglade.../gladeui/glade.h |
| 13:41.50 | mmu_man | abrotman I'm not under debian here |
| 13:41.55 | Dewi | I am trying to backport a package, but the .dsc claims it needs the latest build tools, which depend on the gcc in sid |
| 13:42.00 | Dewi | any ideas what I can do? |
| 13:42.08 | mmu_man | and my server doesn't have the linux glade-dev installed |
| 13:42.24 | abrotman | mmu_man: read the whole freaking factoid |
| 13:42.28 | Dewi | according to the docs of the package, such new tools aren't even needed... |
| 13:42.28 | mmu_man | and I perfrectly know how to use aptitude if I want to installed |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | it tells you other methods to search |
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| 13:43.06 | delire | mmu_man: see packages.debian.org if you're not on debian currently and want to know the contents of packages. |
| 13:43.10 | stew | mmu_man: do you have a question? |
| 13:43.12 | mmu_man | right forogt about that one |
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| 13:44.16 | mmu_man | I just wanted to know if that code was right #including <glade/glade.h> or if it should use <gladeui/glade.h> |
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| 13:44.58 | stew | mmu_man: is the glade.h you are trying to use in /usr/include/glade or /usr/include/gladeui ? |
| 13:45.18 | mmu_man | that's what I need to determine:) |
| 13:45.29 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.34 | mmu_man | guess that answers this |
| 13:46.00 | mmu_man | seems either this glade-win32 package is wrong or someone screwed up |
| 13:46.13 | mmu_man | or would there be 2 of them ? |
| 13:46.20 | mmu_man | but packages.debian.org only finds that one |
| 13:46.46 | stew | mmu_man: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:46.59 | delire | ahh-yes. good old apt-file |
| 13:47.27 | delire | stew: he's not on debian currently AFAIK however |
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| 13:47.48 | stew | delire: if he's not using debian, he's asking in the wrong channel |
| 13:48.05 | delire | i'm not quite sure what he's after. |
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| 13:48.25 | vadmeste | stew: he's not currently working on debian |
| 13:48.39 | vadmeste | stew: but always he's not in the right channel |
| 13:48.52 | vadmeste | mmu_man: join ##c or #c++ |
| 13:49.03 | stew | vadmeste: are you saying i should give him something than the debian specific answer? |
| 13:49.04 | mmu_man | I do use debian on the server I'm building it btw |
| 13:49.04 | vadmeste | I am doing a good job here... no ? |
| 13:49.16 | Dewi | mmu_man: look at the file lists on packages.debian.org |
| 13:49.20 | mmu_man | but thanks for telling |
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| 13:49.27 | mmu_man | Dewi I already did, see above :) |
| 13:49.31 | stew | ...or use apt-file |
| 13:50.00 | mmu_man | apt-file seems to want root |
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| 13:50.24 | Dewi | is packages.debian.org taking like a minute to load and usually timing out for anyone else? |
| 13:50.26 | stew | mmu_man: it need root to run 'apt-file update', but not to search |
| 13:50.29 | Dewi | this has been going on for hours now |
| 13:50.34 | mmu_man | oh, actually not even root has it, it must be missing |
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| 13:50.38 | mmu_man | maybe not isntalled by default ? |
| 13:50.38 | Dewi | is there any kind of mirror for PDO? |
| 13:50.42 | stew | mmu_man: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 13:50.50 | abrotman | mmu_man: which system are you trying to build on? |
| 13:50.57 | stew | 09:49 < mmu_man> I do use debian on the server I'm building it btw |
| 13:50.58 | delire | Dewi: it's never been particularly reliable for me here. |
| 13:51.02 | mmu_man | right it's a separate pacakge |
| 13:51.13 | mmu_man | installnig |
| 13:51.43 | mmu_man | abrotman I'm buiding an ORIC emulator (caloric) for win32 using mingw on a debian server, sshed from BeOS R6 (Zeta) |
| 13:51.54 | mmu_man | :p |
| 13:52.04 | mmu_man | ok installed apt-file |
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| 13:52.48 | abrotman | you need mental help |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:53.08 | mmu_man | works just fine :p |
| 13:53.50 | slxix | (the problem is worse than original estimates.) |
| 13:53.56 | mmu_man | just too much to do today so I tried to avoid wasting days digging docs by asking knowledgeable ppl |
| 13:54.30 | mmu_man | slxix BeOS works just fine, and Haiku is freeing it away (MIT, http://haiku-os.org ) |
| 13:54.56 | slxix | checks it out. |
| 13:55.55 | mmu_man | hmm apt-file doesn't find any gladeui folder |
| 13:56.09 | stew | mmu_man: what commands did you run after installing apt-file? |
| 13:56.11 | slxix | yow. that's a lot to swallow. i'm finally making a real attempt to learn emacs. |
| 13:56.12 | mmu_man | I guess I'll just symlink gladeui to glade and move on, don't have time to find why |
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| 13:56.22 | mmu_man | apt-file search glade.h |
| 13:56.22 | stew | mmu_man: you should not, they are for different purposes |
| 13:56.27 | mmu_man | apt-file search gladeui |
| 13:56.28 | stew | mmu_man: /msg pdk gapt-file |
| 13:56.31 | stew | err |
| 13:56.40 | stew | mmu_man: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:56.45 | mmu_man | 2nd one finds nothing |
| 13:57.03 | vjoe | what is the procedure to uninstall a package installed from the source? |
| 13:57.07 | mmu_man | sorry, *yes* I did update before :) |
| 13:57.15 | stew | mmu_man: when I told you 3 times to "/msg dpkg apt-file" did you know what I meant? |
| 13:57.21 | jelly-home | !find /glade.h |
| 13:57.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/glade.h' (3): (/usr/include/libglade-2.0/glade/glade.h) in libdevel/libglade2-dev ;; (/usr/include/libgladeui-1.0/gladeui/glade.h) in libdevel/libgladeui-1-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/liblua5.1-gtk-dev/reference/files/lib/glade.html) in libdevel/liblua5.1-gtk-dev. |
| 13:57.36 | mmu_man | stew yes I did ask him |
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| 13:58.41 | mmu_man | just getting angry because I have stuff to do to prepare for RMLL next week and I don't have enough time so I probably feel like a newb |
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| 13:58.56 | mmu_man | sorry for that |
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| 13:59.39 | MolePrince | Hi, can someone recommend please a tool to automatically reconnect an interface if it drops connection? I have a headless server plagued by netdev watchdog timeouts every couple days. |
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| 13:59.42 | mmu_man | now I fail to see what purpose gladeui/ is since it doesn't even seem to exist in the package :) |
| 14:00.09 | stew | mmu_man: it doesn't exist in which package? |
| 14:00.45 | jelly-home | mmu_man: how are headers of debian packages are going to help with a crosscompiling build anyway? |
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| 14:02.06 | mmu_man | stew any according to apt-file |
| 14:02.24 | slxix | MolePrince: perhaps you make a cron job to perform an action to reset the watchdogs counter? |
| 14:02.34 | mmu_man | jelly-home to know if it's an alucination (sp?) or the one who packaged it up for win32 who made a mistake |
| 14:02.35 | jelly-home | mmu_man: did you do an "apt-file update"? |
| 14:02.41 | stew | mmu_man: its in the libgladeui-1-dev package, which is part of glade-3. i'm guessing that you are on an etch machine which only has glade-2 |
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| 14:02.50 | mmu_man | [15:56] <mmu_man> sorry, *yes* I did update before :) |
| 14:03.17 | mmu_man | stew I see, yes, stable here |
| 14:03.21 | MolePrince | slxix: I need something that will reconnect automatically if the wired connection drops, this is for a network storage device that requires nearly 100% uptime. |
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| 14:04.32 | mmu_man | stew indeed packages. finds both for testing, I only searched on stable before |
| 14:04.55 | mmu_man | the why of using the same name is beyond me... |
| 14:05.08 | mmu_man | now oddly that win32 zip only has gladeiu/glade.h |
| 14:06.06 | slxix | MolePrince: ifplugd looks promising. never used it, though. |
| 14:06.44 | MolePrince | slxix: Thanks, I'll check. |
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| 14:08.32 | vjoe | what is the procedure to uninstall a package installed from the source? |
| 14:09.05 | mmu_man | hmm this is getting me a headache, I guess I'll just leave that for now |
| 14:09.19 | giantbicycle | vjoe, do you mean the tarballs based ? |
| 14:09.23 | jelly-home | vjoe: ask the authors. |
| 14:09.28 | vjoe | :\ |
| 14:09.50 | vjoe | I know that it can be done with make uninstall in the source code directory |
| 14:09.51 | mmu_man | thanks for help |
| 14:09.55 | vjoe | but what if I delete it? |
| 14:10.09 | vjoe | by the way, I'm not referring to any specific package |
| 14:10.12 | vjoe | this is a generic question |
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| 14:10.24 | mmu_man | oh, btw, is the tomcat package scheduled for fixing anytime soon ? |
| 14:10.25 | slxix | then it deserves a generic answer. :) |
| 14:10.27 | jelly-home | vjoe: this is not a debian issue |
| 14:10.34 | giantbicycle | vjoe, did you remenber the prefix path |
| 14:10.47 | stew | mmu_man: which bug# are you referring to? |
| 14:10.48 | vjoe | yes but you could know how to do it.. |
| 14:10.55 | vjoe | giantbicycle, prefix path? |
| 14:10.58 | mmu_man | been having issues with missing files several times, reverted to installing the official version |
| 14:11.13 | slxix | mmu_man: etch? |
| 14:11.16 | mmu_man | stew hmm from memory a missing .jar due to some classes moving from one package to another |
| 14:11.19 | mmu_man | yes etch |
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| 14:11.24 | giantbicycle | vjoe, ./configure --prefix==<path> |
| 14:11.25 | mmu_man | it happens on ubuntu also... |
| 14:11.30 | jelly-home | vjoe: "we" would create packages and install/remove those ... this is kinda the point of having a package management system |
| 14:11.39 | stew | mmu_man: which bug# are you referring to? |
| 14:11.41 | mmu_man | I recall seeing a bug on the ubuntu db, didn't check the debian ones |
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| 14:12.05 | jelly-home | vjoe: not all apps have "make uninstall" |
| 14:12.10 | vjoe | giantbicycle, but what is that? |
| 14:12.30 | vjoe | jelly-home, so how would I remove them? |
| 14:12.30 | jelly-home | vjoe: please ask these kind of questions in ##linux |
| 14:12.51 | vjoe | ok.. |
| 14:12.51 | stew | vjoe: follow the uninstall instructions in the README or INSTALL or if there is an UNINSTALL |
| 14:13.00 | mmu_man | stew that's teh page on the app's website http://www.openaguila.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=155&Itemid=62 |
| 14:13.04 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I want to upgrade my system with aptitude (sid) I get an error of apt-listbug saying it can't retrieve the bug list ("W: invalid date"). Any idea why ? |
| 14:13.05 | vjoe | thanks stew |
| 14:13.06 | mmu_man | (french sorry) |
| 14:13.12 | giantbicycle | vjoe, maybe you can re-unpack the tarballs and configure to the same prefix path before, and then make uninstall |
| 14:13.15 | stew | mmu_man: is this bug filed in the debian bts? |
| 14:13.26 | mmu_man | didn't check yet, doing so |
| 14:13.31 | mmu_man | url ? |
| 14:13.42 | stew | mmu_man: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:13.49 | mmu_man | eh, right :) |
| 14:14.29 | mmu_man | damn I used to be able to remember urls off memory before google became mainstream |
| 14:14.42 | jelly-home | google is evil. |
| 14:14.53 | mmu_man | seems so :) |
| 14:15.04 | slxix | google is a poor replacement for dns. :) |
| 14:15.20 | mmu_man | No maintainer for tomcat. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 14:15.21 | mmu_man | great |
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| 14:15.42 | SPF | hey slxix, I ported my program to use <sys/io.h> instead of dos |
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| 14:15.43 | anirban | Hi |
| 14:15.47 | mmu_man | (no I don't want to volunteer =) |
| 14:15.47 | stew | mmu_man: debian doens't have a package named tomcat |
| 14:15.50 | SPF | s conio.h |
| 14:15.51 | anirban | can any one help me with auto tools |
| 14:15.57 | mmu_man | hmm it's prolly tomcat-5.5 |
| 14:16.00 | stew | mmu_man: (and hasn't for as long as I can remember) |
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| 14:16.10 | mmu_man | or without the dash |
| 14:16.29 | mmu_man | ah yeah that's it |
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| 14:16.44 | anirban | I am trying to build a shared lib so I added AC_PROG_LIBTOO in my configure.ac but autoreconfig --install complains that there is no such macro |
| 14:17.00 | slxix | SPF: remember that I don't code in C. :) |
| 14:17.15 | SPF | yes, I know |
| 14:17.16 | mmu_man | some bugs I see, but not mention missing files |
| 14:17.18 | SPF | just fyi |
| 14:17.29 | mmu_man | I'll check them and add one maybe |
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| 14:17.33 | mmu_man | thanks |
| 14:17.37 | giantbicycle | anirban, do you mean autoreconf |
| 14:17.44 | slxix | oh, ok. i do appreciate the followup. :) |
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| 14:19.35 | stew | mmu_man: in any case. if you are asking when this bug (if it exists) is going to be fixed in etch, it wouldn't be |
| 14:20.07 | mmu_man | yeah I suppose so, at least it shoudl be next rev |
| 14:20.10 | stew | mmu_man: since it is neither a security related bug, nor a bug that makes the package unusable, it is not the type of thing that would be fixed in stable |
| 14:20.21 | mmu_man | hey, no debian presence at RMLL/LSM next week ??? |
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| 14:20.22 | mmu_man | how come ? |
| 14:20.23 | mmu_man | http://2008.rmll.info/Les-associations-inscrites-sur-le.html?lang=en |
| 14:20.23 | stew | mmu_man: what do you mean by 'rev'? |
| 14:20.33 | mmu_man | revision^Wrelease :) |
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| 14:22.49 | stew | mmu_man: well if the bug exists but there is no bug filed against it, it is much less likely to be fixed |
| 14:23.05 | anirban | yeah giantbicycle |
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| 14:24.40 | c0nn0r | hi. how can I mount a usb storage device? (actually i'd like to browse a CF card /dev/bus/usb/x/y) |
| 14:25.15 | mmu_man | stew of course:) |
| 14:25.18 | stew | c0nn0r: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 14:25.58 | n-ice | to run a .deb is dpkg -i .debpackage? |
| 14:26.09 | c0nn0r | stew: thanks a lot |
| 14:26.54 | mmu_man | n-ice you don't "run" them, it's not executable :) |
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| 14:27.19 | mmu_man | you run dpkg to install it |
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| 14:27.28 | n-ice | dpkg -i ? |
| 14:27.29 | dpkg | n-ice: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 14:28.06 | mmu_man | I should go swimming, didn't the whole week yet |
| 14:28.08 | mmu_man | bbl |
| 14:28.13 | mmu_man | thx stew and others |
| 14:28.59 | swapon | does anybody how to make udev rule to map device scsi with an UID-disk? |
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| 14:29.32 | swapon | for ensure device /dev/sda is always disk id=whatever |
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| 14:30.44 | stew | swapon: udev already makes /dev/disk/by-uuid/_____ symlinks, why not just use those instead of /dev/sda ? |
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| 14:33.18 | c0nn0r | stew: unfortunately the method suggested by /msg dpkg doesn't seem to work. the device (a canon camera) is on /dev/bus/usb/002/001 |
| 14:33.28 | _stack | anyone an idea how to recover files ona xt3 partition? |
| 14:33.40 | valdyn | c0nn0r: thats not the usb storage device node |
| 14:34.11 | valdyn | c0nn0r: you should have an sd* device added as soon as the device is plugged in and the usb-storage module loaded |
| 14:34.38 | c0nn0r | valdyn: sorry. i was confused, since windows shows it as a storage drive |
| 14:34.56 | valdyn | c0nn0r: yes? linux shows it as a storage drive too |
| 14:35.24 | wols | c0nn0r: what does dmesg say when you plug it in? |
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| 14:37.02 | Ace2016_ | Hi all |
| 14:37.02 | Ace2016_ | anyone in sid |
| 14:37.02 | Ace2016_ | i think xrandr is broken |
| 14:37.15 | valdyn | Ace2016_: it isnt |
| 14:37.16 | c0nn0r | valdyn, new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 |
| 14:37.42 | c0nn0r | valdyn, configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 14:37.51 | valdyn | !paste |
| 14:37.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:38.06 | c0nn0r | valdyn, <3 lines. |
| 14:38.23 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 14:38.24 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 14:38.31 | valdyn | c0nn0r: lsmod | grep storage |
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| 14:38.48 | Ace2016_ | i just ran xrandr, and it didn't work, then i remember someone being excited because of the new xorg fixing slow iceweasel bug which i think was fixed with the new iceweasel, but anyway can you guys get output when you run xrandr |
| 14:38.48 | Ace2016_ | ? |
| 14:38.48 | Ace2016_ | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 14:38.50 | Ace2016_ | thats what i get |
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| 14:38.52 | c0nn0r | valdyn, results nothing. |
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| 14:38.59 | Ace2016_ | ok back |
| 14:39.02 | Ace2016_ | that was strange |
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| 14:39.06 | valdyn | c0nn0r: maybe you should start reading what dpkg said then |
| 14:39.32 | valdyn | c0nn0r: twice, once in /msg, once on this channel |
| 14:39.40 | swapon | does anybody how to make udev rule to map device scsi with an UID-disk? |
| 14:39.53 | Ace2016_ | did anyone say something to me? my system disconnected or something |
| 14:40.01 | valdyn | swapon: thats silly |
| 14:40.06 | Ace2016_ | xrandr work ok for you in debian sid? |
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| 14:40.54 | valdyn | Ace2016_: you were kicked for flooding this channel |
| 14:41.09 | Ace2016_ | oh sry |
| 14:41.13 | Ace2016_ | i flodded? |
| 14:41.15 | Ace2016_ | how? |
| 14:41.45 | Dewi | Ace2016_: 4 lines in 3 seconds. |
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| 14:42.23 | Ace2016_ | how could i have typed that fast, no way i did 4 lines in 3 seconds |
| 14:42.26 | Ace2016_ | is that an autokick? |
| 14:42.37 | valdyn | Ace2016_: yes, sure |
| 14:42.38 | Dewi | you did, and yes |
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| 14:43.13 | valdyn | Ace2016_: easily, first line doesnt count, second is just a ?, third is a paste |
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| 14:43.50 | valdyn | Ace2016_: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:43.54 | defrysk | ace2001ac, shall I copy and paste it inhere for you ? so you can have a look |
| 14:44.58 | Ace2016_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23528/ see, i didn't do 4 lines in 3 seconds |
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| 14:45.30 | valdyn | Ace2016_: all 4 lines arrived within 1 second, that can be due to your network being congested too |
| 14:46.07 | valdyn | Ace2016_: debhelper cannot respect people networks being congested |
| 14:46.08 | c0nn0r | i'll be back. |
| 14:46.20 | unop | Hi, i'm running lenny with xserver-xorg 7.3+10 but dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg no longer asks me questions about the graphics card, monitor, resolution, drivers, etc -- is there something else that needs doing ? |
| 14:46.21 | Ace2016_ | kbd, mouse synaptics and nvidia |
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| 14:46.48 | valdyn | Ace2016_: aptitude install xorg |
| 14:46.55 | Ace2016_ | i have xorg |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | Ace2016_: no, im telling you to run that command |
| 14:47.18 | valdyn | Ace2016_: tell us output or if that triggers the install of any package |
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| 14:47.31 | Ace2016_ | i'll run it in a bit, synaptic is updating packages |
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| 14:48.38 | kelt | hi, I've got 2 systems and I'm sharing a drive on one. I was wondering if it is possible to synch up permissions without having to modify users (there are different UID/GID on each system) ... |
| 14:49.09 | kelt | perhaps I can make a "sudo user" in the /etc/passwd file? |
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| 14:49.37 | kelt | like 1 user/group can have multiple GID/UID? is it easier to do than this? |
| 14:49.44 | valdyn | kelt: no |
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| 14:50.13 | valdyn | kelt: the username is just there for your convenience, the system only works with the id numerical values |
| 14:50.28 | kelt | so how do most admins setup nfs shares? |
| 14:50.42 | valdyn | kelt: therefore you could map several usernames to the same id, but not vice versa |
| 14:50.43 | rwaite | hi all. i am trying to install nagios3 from etch-backports, and i have postgresql. i cannot find a mysql dependency on the nagios3 pkg page or any of the pkgs it depends on, but when installing it tries to install mysql. why would this happen? would i be better off building the nagios pkg from source and modifying it to use postgres? |
| 14:50.52 | valdyn | kelt: it uses nis |
| 14:50.53 | valdyn | !nis |
| 14:50.53 | dpkg | well, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
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| 14:51.37 | valdyn | kelt: permissions on usb storage like that are pretty pointless |
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| 14:52.04 | valdyn | kelt: so you can just use umask when mounting |
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| 14:52.50 | raboof | what package would contain the manpage for the inet_ntop function? |
| 14:53.30 | rwaite | and also, why is packages.debian.org being so slow |
| 14:53.36 | kelt | valdyn: usb storage? |
| 14:53.49 | valdyn | kelt: youre sharing a driver |
| 14:53.50 | valdyn | kelt: youre sharing a drive |
| 14:54.00 | Ace2016_ | xorg is installed |
| 14:54.24 | Ace2016_ | valdyn: i used: aptitude show xorg |
| 14:54.42 | Dewi | what would be the best way to get a slightly newer gcc (4.2) into etch with minimal side-effects? |
| 14:54.51 | valdyn | Ace2016_: ok |
| 14:54.56 | Dewi | a depend of a depend claims to require it... |
| 14:55.07 | kelt | valdyn: is NIS like ldap? |
| 14:55.24 | valdyn | kelt: dpkg gives gave you links to documentation |
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| 14:55.39 | kelt | I'm reading up on it.. it looks like you setup a NIS server that has slaves?... |
| 14:55.46 | valdyn | Dewi: backports.org? |
| 14:55.54 | rwaite | perl10 in lenny. sweet. |
| 14:55.54 | Dewi | valdyn: doesn't have it |
| 14:56.03 | valdyn | Dewi: i see |
| 14:56.40 | DawnLight | does 2.6.25 have the hibernation fixed? |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | should my wifi device shut off if i change the ESSID in the interfaces file and then restart networking ? |
| 14:56.59 | valdyn | DawnLight: why ask us? |
| 14:57.08 | valdyn | DawnLight: check the bts? |
| 14:57.15 | Dewi | valdyn: I can't get the original source of his haskell package to compile. Odd errors. So I try the sid source package, but it claims (contrary to the documentation of the upstream) that it needs a newer build tool. That newer build tool in turn needs a newer gcc |
| 14:57.15 | janne-5011 | I need a suggestion for a ftp app for uploading files. |
| 14:57.33 | valdyn | Ace2016_: maybe the right place to proceed is nvidias support forum |
| 14:57.34 | Ace2016_ | janne-5011: filezilla |
| 14:57.41 | valdyn | Ace2016_: xrandr is not generally broken |
| 14:57.43 | Dewi | valdyn: it seems I am going to have to backport a build tool, to allow me to backport a build tool, to allow me to backport a package! |
| 14:57.48 | asg | !ftp must die |
| 14:57.49 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 14:57.59 | Ace2016_ | oh, strange it was working a while ago, ok thanks |
| 14:58.01 | janne-5011 | Ace2016 i check it out |
| 14:58.07 | rwaite | what does it take to start making packages for backports |
| 14:58.16 | rwaite | i'd like to start making asterisk packages |
| 14:58.22 | asg | rwaite: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:58.33 | kelt | \q |
| 14:58.58 | rwaite | well, i'd like to be a 'maintainer' |
| 14:59.12 | rwaite | since it seems up to date asterisk packages are nowhere to be found |
| 14:59.14 | abrotman | bah .. no one ever helps me here .. i'm going back to windows! |
| 14:59.22 | rwaite | abrotman: goodbye! |
| 14:59.34 | epsilon | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie <-- old and still stupid |
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| 14:59.35 | abrotman | rwaite: did you check backports.org ? |
| 14:59.41 | rwaite | yeah |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | rwaite: IIRC .. the asterisk people maintain their own packages on their site? |
| 14:59.51 | rwaite | no pkg thee |
| 14:59.56 | rwaite | they dont maintain debs |
| 15:00.25 | abrotman | thought they used to |
| 15:00.32 | rwaite | i dunno |
| 15:00.38 | rwaite | i mean it wouldnt be hard to make them |
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| 15:00.59 | Dewi | oh my god gcc has a lot of build-depends that don't exist in etch |
| 15:01.19 | Dewi | I wonder what will happen to me if I fetch it from lenny... |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | rwaite: so you just want to make them? or have debian host them ? |
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| 15:02.00 | DawnLight | there's nothing in the bts about the lack of hibernating feature of 2.6.24 |
| 15:02.40 | rwaite | i just want them to be in etch-backports? so if that takes me backporting them from sid or lenny, then that's what i have to do? |
| 15:02.42 | rwaite | i dunno |
| 15:02.44 | stew | DawnLight: hibernate works fine for me with 2.6.24 |
| 15:03.01 | Dewi | how can I backport something that requires tools not present in etch? |
| 15:03.13 | jelly-home | Dewi: backport the tools first |
| 15:03.15 | rwaite | backport those tools first> |
| 15:03.20 | Dewi | there are too many? |
| 15:03.23 | DawnLight | stew: but... but... i was told that there's no hibernation at all in 2.6.24 and that it will be fixed in next versions |
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| 15:03.29 | rwaite | hire someone to do it for you? |
| 15:03.30 | stew | rwaite: if there aren't already backports on backport.org you can request them on the backports.org mailing list. if you make them yourself, you can upload them to mentors.debian.net and request on the backports mailing list that they be uploaded for you |
| 15:03.33 | Dewi | the chain is going back like 8 nodes now |
| 15:03.33 | jelly-home | Dewi: recurse until exhausted |
| 15:03.43 | Dewi | jelly-home: hmm. |
| 15:03.49 | Dewi | jelly-home: I already feel pretty exhausted |
| 15:03.53 | abrotman | rwaite: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 15:03.55 | rwaite | stew: thank you very much. i just may do that. |
| 15:04.03 | janne-5011 | I need a ftp-app to upload files. filezilla is not a option. must be a minimalistic thing.... |
| 15:04.04 | stew | DawnLight: i have hibernated within the last 24 hours using 2.5.24 |
| 15:04.05 | Dewi | jelly-home: gcc depends on some kind of obscure stuff |
| 15:04.06 | jelly-home | Dewi: that's it then, problem unsolved! |
| 15:04.09 | rwaite | abrotman: lol. thanks |
| 15:04.24 | DawnLight | thanks stew |
| 15:04.35 | abrotman | wonders why stew is using such an old kernel!?! |
| 15:04.37 | jelly-home | Dewi: if you only need newer _versions_, try building with the available ones |
| 15:04.47 | Dewi | jelly-home: dpkg won't let me |
| 15:04.58 | Dewi | jelly-home: but anyway, I found the end of that massive recurse |
| 15:04.58 | jelly-home | Dewi: how so? |
| 15:05.31 | jelly-home | Dewi: you are allowed to edit files in debian/, including the control one! |
| 15:05.34 | Dewi | jelly-home: well that's the great thing, I know for a fact that the first package in the big recurse is not needed according to the upstream docs of what I'm trying to build |
| 15:05.45 | Dewi | jelly-home: but dpkg-buildpackage just fails |
| 15:05.55 | Dewi | jelly-home: oh, should I hack the dsc? |
| 15:06.20 | jelly-home | Dewi: I usually unpack the source and hack debian/control |
| 15:06.24 | TheMadHat- | where is the sources.list file? |
| 15:06.31 | stew | TheMadHat-: man sources.list |
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| 15:08.36 | Dewi | jelly-home: any way I can get 'apt-get build-dep' to use my hacked debian/control ? |
| 15:08.41 | Dewi | jelly-home: that would save a lot of time... |
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| 15:10.53 | jelly-home | Dewi: not that I know of. Maybe by making your own .dsc & friends, and own deb-src repo |
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| 15:13.14 | EagleScreen | boinc-client cannot conect to the internet in Debian, but other distros do it |
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| 15:13.40 | EagleScreen | i have two Debian installations and the same happen in both of them |
| 15:13.41 | Dewi | jelly-home: this sure is a bandwidth-intensive business. "After unpacking 571MB will be used." |
| 15:13.53 | Dewi | jelly-home: I'm working in a VM now, thankfully |
| 15:14.07 | Dewi | jelly-home: although I may hit the disk image capacity soon! |
| 15:14.23 | Orion_X11 | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 > Do I have to move freenode server? |
| 15:14.42 | Dewi | Orion_X11: that was 2 years ago |
| 15:14.49 | asg | at little late on the uptake |
| 15:14.53 | asg | *a |
| 15:15.09 | Dewi | Orion_X11: (and there are still people here, in the unofficial channel) |
| 15:15.33 | Orion_X11 | Me, for example. I am in Freenode |
| 15:15.47 | jelly-home | like, more than twice the people than on OFTC |
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| 15:17.35 | Orion_X11 | jelly-home: So what's the difference? Advantages and non-advantages of moving from Freenode? |
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| 15:19.05 | jelly-home | Orion_X11: no idea. most, but nt all, #debian-* channels have moved to OFTC |
| 15:19.42 | jelly-home | Orion_X11: so if you want eg. #debian-boot, it's not available here |
| 15:19.46 | Orion_X11 | I will stay here. |
| 15:20.24 | Orion_X11 | Until everyone moves :-) |
| 15:21.36 | TheMadHat- | how do i install my kernel headers? |
| 15:22.01 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:22.18 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: why? |
| 15:22.36 | TheMadHat- | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Requirements |
| 15:22.54 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 15:23.43 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: (... m-a is useful when the separate driver sources are already packaged) |
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| 15:24.50 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: so, check whether the drivers you need are already available in the distro |
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| 15:25.19 | TheMadHat- | i dont think they are |
| 15:25.23 | TheMadHat- | i tried apt getting |
| 15:25.27 | TheMadHat- | and from non-free too |
| 15:25.30 | TheMadHat- | but they werent there |
| 15:25.39 | dagobart | hello * |
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| 15:26.10 | dagobart | I've got an issue with bash, I don't grasp.. |
| 15:26.25 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: which driver do you need? |
| 15:26.47 | TheMadHat- | b43 |
| 15:26.53 | jelly-home | !b43 |
| 15:26.53 | dpkg | from memory, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 15:27.21 | TheMadHat- | :( i got an error on making |
| 15:27.22 | jelly-home | TheMadHat-: you could use 2.6.24 kernel from etchnhalf |
| 15:27.28 | dagobart | saying 'which ruby' I get /usr/bin/ruby; saying 'ruby --version', bash tells me it doesn't know about /usr/local/bin/ruby. Anyone any idea why there's a 'local' now? |
| 15:27.42 | jelly-home | !tell TheMadHat- -about etchnhalf |
| 15:28.05 | abrotman | dagobart: ls /etc/alternatives | grep ruby ? |
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| 15:28.29 | TheMadHat- | i use the 2.6.24 kernel already, i got one of the test builds |
| 15:28.30 | dagobart | abrotman: no result. |
| 15:28.41 | abrotman | strace it ? |
| 15:28.54 | twobitsprite | dagobart: type "help hash" |
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| 15:29.28 | twobitsprite | dagobart: specifically, try "hash -l ruby" |
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| 15:29.45 | dagobart | twobitsprite: no result neither |
| 15:29.56 | dagobart | I purged everything that looked like ruby before |
| 15:30.01 | TheMadHat- | all i want is to get wifi working x.x lol |
| 15:30.03 | twobitsprite | after running that, try "ruby --version" again |
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| 15:30.04 | dagobart | before I re-installed it |
| 15:30.17 | Saskwach | I think I found the solutions to my various problems, but I'm having trouble implementing one. I have to set an environment variable (IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE) to nonzero but it doesn't seem to translate down m-a. I tried putting it in the script that's actually being called, but it gets overwritten by the tarball when I invoke $m-a a-i. Is there a way to pass environment variables into module-assistant? |
| 15:30.31 | dagobart | twobitsprite: that worked |
| 15:30.40 | dagobart | twobitsprite: what did I do by that hash? |
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| 15:31.03 | twobitsprite | dagobart: yeah, bash keeps a hash table of all commands you've used so it doesn't have to search the path every time you issue a command |
| 15:31.20 | twobitsprite | if one of those disappears bash doesn't know what happened to it |
| 15:31.23 | dagobart | twobitsprite: oic |
| 15:31.29 | twobitsprite | read "help hash" for more info |
| 15:31.39 | dagobart | twobitsprite: started to do so :) |
| 15:31.43 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 15:33.03 | dagobart | twobitsprite, abrotman: Thanks for your hints. Just learned some new thing about bash. |
| 15:33.09 | twobitsprite | dagobart: np |
| 15:36.09 | EagleScreen | boinc-manager gives me this information: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23534/ |
| 15:36.20 | EagleScreen | it cannot connect to proyect server |
| 15:36.28 | janne-5011 | will this crontab one execute ? : */55 * * * * root home/janne/ftp.sh or how shall I put it? |
| 15:36.44 | janne-5011 | I execute it else with ./ |
| 15:37.03 | abrotman | you want it to run every hour at five minutes to the hour ? |
| 15:37.15 | janne-5011 | that is each 55 mins |
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| 15:38.36 | janne-5011 | no you are right abrotman |
| 15:39.40 | abrotman | 55 * * * * |
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| 15:42.22 | TheMadHat- | i need to get the b43 wireless driver, how should i go about doing that? all the ways i have tried havent worked |
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| 15:43.40 | slxix | TheMadHat-: aptitude install b43-fwcutter ? |
| 15:44.16 | Madhat | couldnt find package |
| 15:44.55 | Dewi | packages.debian.org still timing out all the time. |
| 15:44.59 | Dewi | This has been going on about 4 hours. |
| 15:45.05 | Dewi | Is it mirrored anywhere?! |
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| 15:46.03 | abrotman | Dewi: your computer ? |
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| 15:46.26 | cemunal | hi folk! |
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| 15:46.44 | wols | TheMadHat-: get a 2.6.24 kernel and use the kernel provided one. get the firmware the usual way |
| 15:46.57 | Madhat | i have the kernel |
| 15:47.03 | Madhat | whats the usual way? im new |
| 15:47.11 | wols | the fw-cutter |
| 15:47.31 | wols | bcm43xx |
| 15:47.33 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 15:47.34 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 15:47.48 | wols | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 15:47.49 | Madhat | i should get b43legacy? |
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| 15:47.55 | wols | no you should not |
| 15:47.59 | Madhat | ok |
| 15:48.09 | wols | you should get the firmware |
| 15:48.55 | wols | Madhat: you run lenny or etch? |
| 15:49.04 | Madhat | lenny i believe |
| 15:49.12 | Madhat | its the newest test build |
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| 15:49.24 | wols | b43-fwcutter |
| 15:49.25 | wols | !b43-fwcutter |
| 15:49.26 | dpkg | from memory, b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 3 and 4 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers. Available as a <contrib> package for lenny and sid. See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmwareinstallation for more details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
| 15:49.35 | wols | it's even a package |
| 15:49.51 | Madhat | why does no one understand, the package doesnt exist |
| 15:50.07 | Saskwach | I'm seeing this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483622 but I've run update recently and I'm running Sid. Is there something I need to do to get the fixed package? |
| 15:50.28 | wols | !info b43-fwcutter |
| 15:50.30 | dpkg | b43-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:011-4 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 15:50.34 | wols | Madhat: come again? |
| 15:50.40 | Madhat | wols: apt-get install b43-fwcutter doesn't exist |
| 15:50.45 | Madhat | everyone has told me to get that |
| 15:50.48 | Dewi | argh, how can gcc have a dependancy chain leading back to apt? |
| 15:50.50 | Madhat | but is is not there |
| 15:50.56 | Dewi | that seems a lot like madness |
| 15:51.00 | wols | Madhat: if you don't read and fix your sources.list, it's not my problem |
| 15:51.03 | wols | it does exist |
| 15:51.21 | Madhat | its a fresh install, i apt-get updated and everything |
| 15:51.33 | wols | pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:51.50 | Madhat | ok |
| 15:52.03 | themill | Dewi: if you want to see madness in dependency chains, try backporting debhelper from sid to etch... |
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| 15:53.34 | Dewi | themill: err |
| 15:53.40 | Dewi | themill: yeah I now need to DO that |
| 15:53.44 | Dewi | themill: to get gcc |
| 15:53.50 | Dewi | themill: which I need to get a haskell build tool |
| 15:53.58 | Dewi | themill: which I need to run a haskell build script |
| 15:54.02 | Dewi | themill: this is INSANITY |
| 15:54.25 | jelly-home | Dewi: wtf do you need a newer gcc? |
| 15:54.49 | Dewi | jelly-home: because gch6 6.8 wants it |
| 15:54.55 | jelly-home | Dewi: it lies. |
| 15:54.59 | Dewi | jelly-home: and gch6 6.6 doesn't seem to work |
| 15:55.21 | Dewi | jelly-home: okay, I'll... try and force it to cope with the old gcc then |
| 15:55.30 | jelly-home | Dewi: you could just upgrade to lenny, y'know. Just saying. |
| 15:55.31 | Dewi | jelly-home: or I will if I can get apt working again |
| 15:55.41 | Dewi | jelly-home: now that installing a -dev package has broken my whole dependancy system |
| 15:55.46 | themill | Dewi: hah. You'll probably need to backport an intermediate version of debhelper and/or man-db to do that else change the build system for man-db to not use such a new version of debhelper. |
| 15:56.00 | Madhat | wols: it tells me its tripping the spam filter |
| 15:56.09 | Dewi | jelly-home: I'd happily upgrade to lenny if I knew how to then build a package for etch |
| 15:56.12 | themill | Dewi: you are doing all this inside a chroot, aren't you... |
| 15:56.17 | Dewi | themill: a VM |
| 15:57.26 | jelly-home | Dewi: (I mean, upgrade the system you need to run that crap on, to lenny) |
| 15:57.34 | Madhat | wols: here, i used a different pastebin. i left out the commented lines having to do with my netinst too, http://pastebin.ca/1057515 |
| 15:58.14 | Dewi | jelly-home: upgrade a whole system to run a haskell program? |
| 15:58.29 | Dewi | jelly-home: when it's essentially interpreted and independent? |
| 15:58.30 | wols | Madhat: read what secion b53-fwcutter is in VERY carefully. and then fix your sources.list |
| 15:58.55 | Dewi | jelly-home: it's only the build tools that create the crazy deps structure |
| 15:59.17 | Dewi | jelly-home: but I don't know how to get new build tools without polluting the effective runtime deps of everything I build... |
| 15:59.24 | Dewi | jelly-home: other than by backporting it all |
| 15:59.43 | Dewi | jelly-home: which doesn't work, because basic build infrastructure depends on apt and my system breaks |
| 15:59.49 | Jyzygzy- | lol the fglrx just keeps crashing and crashing |
| 15:59.54 | Madhat | contrib/utils |
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| 15:59.58 | Jyzygzy- | every time its a fatal so i have to hard reboot |
| 16:00.04 | Madhat | i dont know how to fix it though, im reading the man too |
| 16:00.11 | Jyzygzy- | what a piece of shit |
| 16:00.15 | wols | Jyzygzy-: what videocard again? |
| 16:00.19 | Dewi | jelly-home: as in the *build dependancies* for a haskell build tool, require me to install lenny's version of 'apt'! |
| 16:00.21 | Madhat | deb url lenny contrib/utils ? |
| 16:00.24 | Jyzygzy- | wols i have the 9700 |
| 16:00.26 | Dewi | jelly-home: this is clearly very broken |
| 16:01.13 | Dewi | anyway I'm going to try overriding the deps again to tell it gcc is fine the way it is |
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| 16:01.17 | jelly-home | Dewi: yes, but then again, no normal user will try to backport haskell |
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| 16:01.27 | Dewi | jelly-home: not haskell, a make-like tool |
| 16:01.36 | xingu | Dewi: in your shoes I'd fudge the build-deps and build a nonpackaged site-local haskell |
| 16:01.41 | Dewi | jelly-home: and I don't want to backport it |
| 16:01.48 | jelly-home | Dewi: so tell _it_ that current haskell is a-ok |
| 16:01.52 | Dewi | jelly-home: I just want to run it, without the RESULTS being tied to lenny |
| 16:02.14 | Dewi | jelly-home: it doesn't understand the makefile format |
| 16:02.27 | jelly-home | or do it all in /usr/local like xingu says |
| 16:02.41 | jelly-home | Dewi: what tool is it? |
| 16:02.42 | buntfalke | hi |
| 16:02.48 | Dewi | jelly-home: gch6 |
| 16:02.50 | buntfalke | How to make syslog not write messages right away but only every once in a while? I want to spin down the disk since it is a notebook... |
| 16:02.50 | Dewi | jelly-home: I think |
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| 16:03.04 | Dewi | jelly-home: I'm not a haskell developer, and they aren't answering |
| 16:03.12 | Dewi | jelly-home: the error message sucks |
| 16:03.58 | jelly-home | Dewi: apt-cache search gch6 returns nothing on etch nor lennt |
| 16:04.00 | xingu | Dewi: bts 310009, you're not the first :) |
| 16:05.32 | xingu | Dewi: is it a typo in Depends? "ghc6" seems to be what's installable. |
| 16:05.34 | Dewi | jelly-home: sorry ghc6 |
| 16:05.53 | Dewi | xingu: 6.6 is, and doesn't understand the build configuration file |
| 16:06.08 | Dewi | xingu: so I'm assuming that 6.8 is required like the debian dscs say |
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| 16:06.20 | Dewi | xingu: of course, the upstream says etch's stuff should build it fine, but it doesn't |
| 16:06.50 | xingu | Dewi: right, so I'd say - build ghc6.8 yourself using the debian/rules configure opts and your own local -dev packages |
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| 16:07.19 | Dewi | xingu: that's what I'm doing now, but reigning back its crazy demands |
| 16:07.33 | xingu | Dewi: then equivs- in the idea that you have ghc6.8/ -dev installed |
| 16:07.50 | ice63 | how do i change the resolution in x for lenny i'm useing blackbox... |
| 16:08.25 | xingu | Dewi: nb, you might want to consider statically linking against any resulting .so's. |
| 16:08.42 | ice63 | it's not dpkg |
| 16:08.54 | Wyzard | You can't statically link against a .so |
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| 16:10.45 | Dewi | xingu: some of that was beyond my level of understanding. What i'm doing is building ghc6 6.8 in a VM, using the source package after hacking the 'debian/control' file so it stops demanding new gccs and unavailable tools for colouring source code |
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| 16:11.11 | Dewi | xingu: these packages sure have some unlikely dependancies |
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| 16:13.58 | xingu | Wyzard: pedant :p statically linking against any resulting libraries if/ when the resulting toolchain is actually _used_ in anger |
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| 16:14.51 | xingu | Dewi: what I'm suggesting is that now might be a good time to throw in the towel on the package manager; all routes will lead either to a somewhat unique local distribution (a debian fork) or lenny/sid |
| 16:15.01 | Dewi | I wonder if there's a way to instruct 'dpkg-buildpackage' to build a great big static target with as few runtime deps as possible |
| 16:15.18 | xingu | Dewi: ie, focus on building a ghc6.8 binary in /usr/local, not a package |
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| 16:16.04 | Dewi | xingu: that would probably be sufficient, yes |
| 16:16.16 | xingu | Dewi: and use equivs to address the deps issue |
| 16:16.26 | Dewi | xingu: at the moment I'm waiting for a big long build, it might actually give me a .deb |
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| 16:16.39 | Dewi | xingu: I have no idea what equivs are |
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| 16:17.09 | gopp | hi |
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| 16:17.23 | gopp | hi how do I get wifi via the cli in debian I tryed iwconfig wlan0 up |
| 16:17.54 | Dewi | xingu: are these empty artificial packages created to satisfy depends? |
| 16:18.42 | Dewi | okay, that does seem to be how they work |
| 16:19.37 | slxix | gopp: dhcp or static ip? do you know your essid? |
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| 16:20.28 | JohnnyL | how come i get a restricted shell if I try to run from cd (on a biostar motherboard)? |
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| 16:21.24 | gopp | dhcp |
| 16:21.33 | gopp | I have a linksys card |
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| 16:22.21 | slxix | i'd do something like: iwconfig wlan0 essid yourESSID;dhclient eth0 |
| 16:22.36 | slxix | s/eth0/wlan0 |
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| 16:23.38 | wols | JohnnyL: there was an error before the restricted shell loaded. read it. usually "no hdd found" kinda thing |
| 16:23.45 | gopp | oh |
| 16:23.50 | wols | JohnnyL: what cd is it exactly? |
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| 16:27.08 | JohnnyL | wols, i have tried linspire, kunbuntu same outcome |
| 16:27.11 | gopp | thanks |
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| 16:27.40 | JohnnyL | wolfs, there was an error with the floppy, but I took the floppy out of the bios setting and this tmie got no error. |
| 16:27.46 | JohnnyL | so no error |
| 16:28.21 | abrotman | tabcomplete is hard! |
| 16:28.34 | hoxu | !be a tabcomplete barbie |
| 16:28.35 | dpkg | Aww, tabcomplete is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
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| 16:30.27 | gopp | slxix what about my wireless security |
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| 16:32.04 | JohnnyL | wols : ^ ^ |
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| 16:35.41 | gopp | slxix k let me check |
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| 16:36.05 | wols | JohnnyL: you are in the wrong channels for those. what DEBIAN CD have you tried? |
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| 16:41.37 | JohnnyL | wols they are both debian based. |
| 16:41.43 | JohnnyL | so i get a debian shell |
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| 16:42.08 | wols | !debian based |
| 16:42.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:42.23 | wols | JohnnyL: now stop and go to the support channels of those distros. you are wrong here |
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| 16:56.56 | heretic16 | hello. I have a old computer with 200 mhz intel and 160 mb sdram and 80 gb hard disk. Do debian works on my computer with Xfce |
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| 16:58.03 | Bushmills | heretic16: yes, assuming your video card is supported. |
| 16:58.34 | heretic16 | thx |
| 16:59.07 | nkuttler | the problem will probably rather be browser and other apps you want to use |
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| 16:59.34 | abrotman | they'll still work |
| 16:59.52 | nkuttler | yeah, the question is how fast |
| 16:59.57 | jelly-home | heretic16: 160MB will be barely enough for Xfce, though. |
| 17:00.05 | Bushmills | light and quick alternatives exist |
| 17:00.19 | heretic16 | what is the deffrent bettween debian dvd 4,4 gb and debian cd 650 mb? Do the dvd takes more memory from ram and cpu that the 650 cd? |
| 17:00.26 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:00.26 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 17:00.36 | JohnnyL | sorry |
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| 17:01.26 | wols | jelly-home: it will be fine for Xfce |
| 17:01.54 | wols | heretic16: the dvd has more software. debian as a whole uses 4 DVD or 23 CDs |
| 17:02.06 | Bushmills | heretic16: the worse your internet connection is, the more you want on local storage. packages on storage medium are the same |
| 17:02.14 | wols | heretic16: don't use either, use a netinst if you have internet access on the computer |
| 17:02.18 | heretic16 | okej, is it better that i install the dvd that 650 mb cd ? |
| 17:02.40 | wols | heretic16: it installs the EXACT same stuff. and I doubt your p200 has a DVD drive |
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| 17:02.52 | heretic16 | yes |
| 17:02.59 | n0lif3R | hi |
| 17:03.02 | Bushmills | heretic16: if you haven't downloaded it yet, no. if you have already, yes. |
| 17:04.07 | heretic16 | do the dvd takes more memory that the cd ? |
| 17:04.12 | Bushmills | heretic16: most people go probably for minimal install images, and add the rest over the net |
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| 17:04.45 | wols | heretic16: no. it's the EXACT SAME software |
| 17:05.31 | heretic16 | okej. i download the dvd 1 |
| 17:05.42 | alkisg | Hi, do the Debian DVDs contain the software for all languages? I want to be able to do dist-upgrades on a school with a dial-up connection... |
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| 17:06.25 | Bushmills | alkisg: language support comes in most case per package, as part of it. |
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| 17:06.45 | alkisg | Yes, but e.g. in Ubuntu I have to download the language support from the Internet... |
| 17:06.50 | alkisg | (greek) |
| 17:06.51 | Bushmills | alkisg: only few packages have language support as extra, seperate, packages |
| 17:07.37 | alkisg | Bushmills, e.g. openoffice-el, gnome-el etc. These are not available in the Ubuntu DVD, but 4 years ago when I used Debian, there were available in the DVD, is this still the case? |
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| 17:08.01 | l0lz_ | hello |
| 17:08.03 | l0lz_ | f@debian:~$ man gcc |
| 17:08.04 | l0lz_ | Non c'è il manuale per gcc |
| 17:08.06 | l0lz_ | Si veda "man 7 undocumented" per l'aiuto quando le pagine di manuali non sono presenti. |
| 17:08.06 | Bushmills | alkisg: i'd have to guess, and i guess "yes" |
| 17:08.11 | l0lz_ | do not exsit man gcc? |
| 17:08.16 | alkisg | Bushmills, thanks! |
| 17:08.30 | infinitycircuit | !tell l0lz_ about debian-fr |
| 17:08.51 | infinitycircuit | l0lz_: you need to install build-essentials to get gcc |
| 17:09.08 | infinitycircuit | l0lz_: sorry wrong factoid i just sent you |
| 17:09.08 | l0lz_ | i have already gcc |
| 17:09.27 | l0lz_ | raf@debian:~$ gcc |
| 17:09.27 | l0lz_ | gcc: no input files |
| 17:09.27 | l0lz_ | raf@debian:~$ man gcc |
| 17:09.27 | l0lz_ | Non c'è il manuale per gcc |
| 17:09.27 | l0lz_ | Si veda "man 7 undocumented" per l'aiuto quando le pagine di manuali non sono presenti. |
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| 17:09.37 | infinitycircuit | !tell l0lz_ about paste |
| 17:09.52 | l0lz_ | ok si short paste.. |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | !b-e l0lz_ |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | l0lz_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:10.16 | infinitycircuit | l0lz_: try gcc-doc then |
| 17:10.44 | l0lz_ | pacchetto. Questo significa che il pacchetto manca, è diventato obsoleto |
| 17:10.49 | l0lz_ | o è disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente |
| 17:10.49 | l0lz_ | E: Il pacchetto gcc-doc non ha candidati da installare |
| 17:10.49 | abrotman | that's non-free |
| 17:10.52 | abrotman | l0lz_: STOP PASTING |
| 17:10.59 | jelly-home | !tell l0lz_ -about non-free |
| 17:11.10 | infinitycircuit | it's true though on a system with build-essentials installed man gcc produces nothing...i never noticed that before |
| 17:11.23 | abrotman | yeah i misread |
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| 17:12.38 | l0lz_ | ah i have only main |
| 17:12.56 | l0lz_ | just add non-free? |
| 17:13.14 | infinitycircuit | i thought debian packages were supposed to have a man page for binaries |
| 17:13.46 | l0lz_ | i not want add non-free |
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| 17:14.23 | abrotman | then you don't get gcc docs |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | infinitycircuit: the gcc docs are GFDL .. which is not DFSG compatible |
| 17:15.04 | l0lz_ | ok i just add,also if prefer section main only |
| 17:15.08 | jelly-home | l0lz_: gcc documentation license does not fall under Debian's free software guidelines. You _have to_ add it if you want to install docs for gcc or glibc. |
| 17:15.33 | infinitycircuit | abrotman: thanks i was wondering about htat |
| 17:15.41 | Bushmills | l0lz_: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/gcc-4.2.1.gz?type=man |
| 17:15.47 | jelly-home | l0lz_: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 17:16.08 | l0lz_ | ok |
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| 17:16.56 | jelly-home | GFDL is not F enough for DFSG |
| 17:17.49 | hoxu | !agplv3 |
| 17:17.50 | dpkg | hmm... agplv3 is the GNU Affero General Public License http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html - may not be compatible with <DFSG>, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/04/msg00054.html |
| 17:17.54 | Bushmills | l0lz_: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww?search=gcc&programsubmit=Search&searchtype=p |
| 17:17.59 | n0lif3R | mount -t cifs -o user=zyx //192.168.1.3/all /mnt |
| 17:18.04 | hoxu | so... is AGPLv3 really incompatible with DFSG? |
| 17:18.05 | n0lif3R | Something wrong with this.. can't figure out what... |
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| 17:18.26 | abrotman | n0lif3R: errors are helpful |
| 17:18.27 | l0lz_ | ok |
| 17:18.37 | n0lif3R | mount error 20 = Not a directory |
| 17:18.46 | n0lif3R | i must be placeing the -o username=zyx in a wrong spot |
| 17:19.22 | quickscript | can anyone recommend me something similar to quicktables, easier to configure and currently developed? no alpha apps, please |
| 17:19.40 | quickscript | http://freshmeat.net/projects/quicktables/ |
| 17:20.28 | infinitycircuit | n0lif3R: i don't see username=xyz in the man pages |
| 17:20.36 | n0lif3R | sorry... -o user=zyx |
| 17:20.51 | Bushmills | quickscript: ipmasq |
| 17:21.17 | infinitycircuit | n0lif3R: i thought -o user means: Allow every user to mount and unmount the file system. |
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| 17:21.22 | infinitycircuit | it takes no arguments |
| 17:21.33 | infinitycircuit | i mean it allows an ordinary user |
| 17:21.34 | infinitycircuit | not any user |
| 17:21.34 | n0lif3R | ohh... |
| 17:21.55 | infinitycircuit | if you want to mount something as a user i'd recommend pmount |
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| 17:23.26 | quickscript | <Bushmills> ipmasq is not what i am after |
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| 17:23.58 | Bushmills | it is "similar" and "easier to configure" |
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| 17:24.20 | quickscript | <Bushmills> have YOU used quicktables? |
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| 17:24.47 | Bushmills | i read the link you gave. other then that, i edit my rules by hand |
| 17:25.04 | quickscript | <Bushmills> i repeat: have YOU used quicktables? |
| 17:25.06 | Supaplex | iptables-save + vim + iptables-restore ftw \o/ |
| 17:25.23 | Supaplex | what's quicktables? |
| 17:25.31 | quickscript | http://freshmeat.net/projects/quicktables/ |
| 17:25.34 | Supaplex | is this a survey? or do you need help? |
| 17:25.44 | Bushmills | quickscript: i don't use "firewall script generators", including quicktables. |
| 17:26.13 | quickscript | <Bushmills> I only need recommedations from those who have used quicktables. thankyou! |
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| 17:26.42 | Bushmills | quickscript: then learn how to ask properly |
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| 17:27.10 | stew | quickscript: when you say "<Bushmills> ..." it appears that you are misquoting him instead of addressing him |
| 17:27.21 | stew | quickscript: fwbuilder is a nice tool for building iptables scripts |
| 17:27.59 | Supaplex | well, it's not all that bad as a guide, but I suggest you break down the elements it generates, and figure out why each works that way. generators have a bad habbit of being very narrow scope. inflexible. |
| 17:28.38 | mrglinux | I need a media repository for debian |
| 17:28.41 | Supaplex | it was last updated four years ago? what if you have something it doesn't account for? :) "boilerplate" |
| 17:28.55 | Bushmills | stew, i hope you adhere to his requirements of former users only |
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| 17:30.34 | mrglinux | I want to install mencoder ... but could not fine package |
| 17:30.55 | wols | !tell mrglinux about dmm |
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| 17:33.04 | quickscript | stew> thanks but i shoud i have specified that i am after command like apps only. no gui apps please |
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| 17:35.05 | stew | quickscript: realize that you don't need to run fwbuilder on the machine to be the firewall. it can be run somewhere else and has several modes of automatic deployment to a remote firewall. |
| 17:35.19 | stew | quickscript: however, its sounding more and more like you should probably just write your own script |
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| 17:36.20 | quickscript | stew> quicktables is good but it needs some editing to make it work and it is no longer developed |
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| 17:36.51 | Wyzard | quickscript: I don't know about "firewall builder scripts", but iptables frontends like FireHOL and Shorewall are general-purpose, fairly powerful, and generally much more pleasant to configure than writing iptables rules by hand |
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| 17:38.22 | quickscript | Shorewall is not the easiest to use of the available iptables configuration tools |
| 17:38.36 | Wyzard | You're right, FireHOL is :-) |
| 17:39.34 | quickscript | <Wyzard> Have you used quicktables or FireHOL yourself??? |
| 17:40.31 | Wyzard | I use FireHOL on several systems |
| 17:40.54 | quickscript | to redirect traffic from a wireless network to another? |
| 17:41.57 | mrglinux | I find this http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386 .. and I added deb http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main but doesn't work .. how to insert into the sourc.list ? |
| 17:42.12 | Wyzard | That's a job that'd be better done by bridging, which doesn't really have anything to do with iptables |
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| 17:43.16 | Wyzard | and even if you're doing routing, you don't necessarily need iptables, unless you're doing masquerading or something |
| 17:43.40 | Wyzard | FireHOL is fine for setting up masquerading and port forwarding and such (I use it on my router that connects my home LAN to the Internet) |
| 17:43.55 | Orion_X11 | How could I point this channel in my weblog for people to come here and to get to know debian? |
| 17:44.15 | john___ | Hi. I recently purchased 15 hours of 1-on-1, mentored hacking training and 24/7 access to a hacklab (with dozens of machines) for $749 from Joe McCray, a distinguished, traveling, and public event speaking security guru. Now that I'm looking to invest in a new business idea, I no longer need these training hours. I'm looking to sell them for a VERY low price, so PM me for more information. Please note that this training is ONE on ONE, via |
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| 17:46.22 | n0lif3R | i don't know |
| 17:46.27 | n0lif3R | I really don't.. stop it! |
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| 17:47.12 | Bushmills | must be week end |
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| 17:49.49 | troubled | stew: nice, way to catch him before the contact info :) |
| 17:49.52 | Bushmills | oh. the new tenant of the next house has an open WLAN access point. finally redundant internet connection again :D |
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| 17:51.44 | Chameleon | hi all |
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| 17:52.08 | Chameleon | just wondering how east is dubian to work |
| 17:52.40 | mrglinux | I have just deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main and deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main what shall I enter for install ffmpeg ..im newbie |
| 17:52.42 | Bushmills | yes, work in the east is very dubious |
| 17:52.54 | Chameleon | easy* |
| 17:52.55 | abrotman | !tell mrglinux about dmm |
| 17:53.09 | stew | mrglinux: aptitude install ffmpeg |
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| 17:53.38 | stew | ffmpeg is in main |
| 17:54.03 | jelly-home | ffmpeg in main is crippled |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | i thought it was only in main in lenny/sid ? |
| 17:54.23 | jelly-home | wrt. mpeg2 and other encoding |
| 17:54.32 | Maulkin | jelly-home: works for me. |
| 17:55.05 | jelly-home | Maulkin: I tried building vlc off it and it failed miserably at encoding. |
| 17:55.30 | Maulkin | And you didn't just install VLC because? |
| 17:55.45 | Chameleon | pls help me |
| 17:55.48 | Maulkin | For info, I use it lots with $work. |
| 17:55.55 | jelly-home | Maulkin: ... it failed miserably at encoding as well, being linked with the very same ffmpeg |
| 17:55.57 | Chameleon | how easy is debian to work and run ? |
| 17:56.15 | Chameleon | ans customizes |
| 17:56.15 | Maulkin | jelly-home: #define failed |
| 17:56.39 | Bushmills | Chameleon: about ... yellow. maybe green, if i use colours for ease metrics |
| 17:56.50 | Maulkin | jelly-home: it produces valid mpegs, and I'm not sure what else you can really ask of it :) |
| 17:56.53 | jelly-home | Maulkin: I'll see if have logs, but basically it couldn't create mpeg2-encody streamer |
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| 17:57.05 | jelly-home | Maulkin: or mpeg4 |
| 17:57.16 | Maulkin | jelly-home: That's rubbish then, because I use it for that daily. mpeg2, and H264. |
| 17:57.34 | jelly-home | Maulkin: darn. |
| 17:57.44 | Maulkin | <-- works for a company that makes IP based set top boxes |
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| 17:57.56 | Chameleon | wtf are you talking about |
| 17:57.57 | Maulkin | So, that's HD/H264. |
| 17:58.09 | Maulkin | Chameleon: very. |
| 17:58.21 | simonrvn | makes as much sense as your question does |
| 17:58.24 | jelly-home | Maulkin: I'll have my mpeg2 source streams soon, if I fail at it again I'll know where to ask. |
| 17:58.31 | Bushmills | Chameleon: do you find yellow easy? |
| 17:58.46 | Chameleon | wtf is yellow |
| 17:58.53 | Maulkin | jelly-home: do you mean multiplexing an mpeg2 into .ts? |
| 17:59.11 | Maulkin | Chameleon: it's like blue, but brighter. |
| 17:59.30 | Chameleon | white |
| 17:59.32 | Chameleon | nigger |
| 17:59.34 | Chameleon | lol |
| 17:59.38 | nkuttler | um |
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| 17:59.42 | jelly-home | Maulkin: basically I tried to decode DVB-T style (it was really udp multicast) into something that could be streamed at 1.5Mbps. |
| 17:59.58 | Maulkin | ENOTLOL |
| 18:00.21 | annma | k3b does not burn mp3s, what do I miss please? |
| 18:00.39 | Bushmills | annma: a dvd burner |
| 18:00.52 | Maulkin | jelly-home: ahh, so transcoding on the fly. Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 18:01.01 | Maulkin | Anyway, pub time! |
| 18:01.05 | annma | to burn a CD mp3, what do I need? |
| 18:01.31 | Bushmills | annma: better tell us what you have |
| 18:01.35 | Bushmills | electricity? |
| 18:01.49 | annma | if I cycle, yes |
| 18:01.58 | Maliuta | annma: it does, you just need to learn to use it properly |
| 18:02.23 | annma | well guys, don't worry, it's not for me but for a poor debian guy who asked in #kde |
| 18:02.46 | annma | me, i don't run debian and I am quite pleased about my distro as its support is smarter than there |
| 18:02.50 | simonrvn | Maulkin: some people's children.... |
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| 18:03.48 | Bushmills | evidently running kde in his own distrib doesn't enable him to look what to do with k3b :) |
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| 18:04.25 | abrotman | and why not just send the guy here himself |
| 18:04.32 | Bushmills | doesn't help to have a "smarter" distrib if the users aren't |
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| 18:07.24 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 18:07.39 | Bushmills | will probably get eventually kicked for toe pulling |
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| 18:08.21 | simonrvn | nah, only if you say stupid intolerant shit |
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| 18:08.26 | juanra | hi |
| 18:08.47 | juanra | is it possible to install debian without a removable media, only with a kernel image and a initrd image?? please |
| 18:08.52 | simonrvn | hello |
| 18:09.04 | simonrvn | the hd-media way, see the install guide |
| 18:09.07 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 18:09.07 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:09.26 | wols | mrglinux: don't PM people! |
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| 18:11.05 | Bushmills | juanra: what OS do you run? |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | he did ask about debian |
| 18:11.42 | Bushmills | abrotman: yes, how to install it. i wanted to know what is running now |
| 18:11.42 | juanra | Bushmills: linux |
| 18:12.21 | Bushmills | juanra: debootstrap should help |
| 18:12.29 | mrglinux | wols: don't aware me in public |
| 18:12.38 | juanra | Bushmills: but what i want is install from grub |
| 18:12.57 | simonrvn | grub doesn't do installations... it's a bootloader |
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| 18:13.19 | juanra | boot the installation kernel image and install |
| 18:13.20 | Bushmills | juanra: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 18:14.49 | juanra | Bushmills: thanks but it does not what i need |
| 18:15.15 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 18:15.37 | Bushmills | juanra: yes, it's a hopeless day. |
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| 18:16.11 | juanra | in fact, i have booted into the installation program, but it cannot find a cdrom. of course |
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| 18:16.43 | stew | juanra: did you boot into the hd-media installer? |
| 18:16.44 | juanra | i wll try to install from vmlinuz present in complete cd1, instead of netinst cd |
| 18:16.56 | simonrvn | hd-media way you need at least the iso on the hdd... but you'd know that if you read the f**king guide |
| 18:16.58 | juanra | what is that? |
| 18:17.13 | stew | juanra: you should use hd-media, not the cdrom |
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| 18:17.43 | juanra | i followed the default steps |
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| 18:18.14 | juanra | and i can skip the cdrom detection, but i am not sure if after i could install the base system from internet |
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| 18:19.40 | daeos | I understand this is a debian channel but would like to know if anyone has ever had a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L before? |
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| 18:20.30 | wols | daeos: OT |
| 18:20.41 | wols | and a "anyone" question to boot |
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| 18:20.55 | Bushmills | daeos: yes. because sharp has sold some. therefore somebody surely did. |
| 18:21.33 | Bushmills | daeos: but your question was incomplete. before what, exactly? |
| 18:21.34 | daeos | wols: im not even gonna go into the question unless i can get a person who has used one before |
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| 18:21.59 | wols | daeos: go away with your question, not into, at least not here |
| 18:22.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there any reason to try and prune my kernel modules? I knew it would speed things up in the past, but is it as useful in a modern system? |
| 18:22.38 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: it never sped up. all it did was save a few MB |
| 18:22.47 | wols | hdd space that is |
| 18:22.49 | Bushmills | what? you mean he has another question?? hmm.. i sort ofi liked that one.. |
| 18:23.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols: I see. So I guess the answer to my question would be 'no' then, huh? |
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| 18:23.56 | daeos | Bushmills: if you will hear me out, i am looking for a usb driver.. and all of the "support channels" are dead.. the website is missing the information and forums seem to lead to the same misinformed websites |
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| 18:24.28 | Bushmills | Blast_Hardcheese: no run time gains. depmod -a would be a tad quicker but you're not running that twice a day anyway. (and especially not ten times per minute) |
| 18:24.44 | heretic16 | Are X install in the debian cd 1 |
| 18:24.51 | Dewi | does anyone know of a podcast receiving client that isn't horrendously awful? |
| 18:24.57 | wols | !tell heretic16 about cd content |
| 18:25.23 | stew | Dewi: podget works |
| 18:25.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | "ten times per minute" sounds a bit specific, Is there something that deals with kernel modules every 6 seconds? |
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| 18:26.25 | stew | daeos: you are looking for a usb driver for the linux kernel to talk to your Zaurus? or what? |
| 18:26.34 | Bushmills | exactly once every 6 seconds? hmm .. i;m hard pressed to find something with exactly that period. |
| 18:26.41 | stew | daeos: does you question have anything at all to do with debian? |
| 18:26.51 | stew | heretic16: optionally, yes |
| 18:27.14 | Bushmills | maybe ... if you set audio buffer just the right size .. the buffer refill could happen once per 6 seconds |
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| 18:27.23 | daeos | stew if it can yes, i just need a driver |
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| 18:27.52 | stew | daeos: does it not just use a serial connection via usb? |
| 18:28.00 | daeos | stew: i was hoping to kill 2 birds with one stone by getting a debian compatible driver + windows xp usb driver.. as both i can't find |
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| 18:28.46 | stew | daeos: 'usbserial' |
| 18:28.59 | daeos | stew: no its direct usb |
| 18:29.35 | stew | daeos: show us the output of "lsusb" with the device plugged into the serial port |
| 18:29.52 | daeos | stew: it does not use a serial port |
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| 18:30.23 | stew | daeos: yes it does |
| 18:30.53 | daeos | stew: i have the cable in my hand and its a mini usb cable to usb cable, or i can use the cradle which ALSO uses mini usb to usb |
| 18:30.54 | stew | daeos: attach it with the usb cable. run "lsusb" and show us theoutput; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:30.59 | TryPoD | Is there anyway to install debian when another linux is booted? (couse the installation wont find the cdrom) |
| 18:31.15 | stew | TryPoD: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:32.08 | Wyzard | daeos: It could be a USB-to-serial interface within the device itself -- what you plug in is pure USB, but there's a serial connection used internally between the device's USB interface and its CPU |
| 18:32.52 | stew | usb is a serial interface |
| 18:33.30 | Wyzard | That's true, but you mentioned usbserial, which is not the same meaning of "serial" as USB in general |
| 18:34.04 | Dewi | the old serial is called rs232 |
| 18:34.05 | Wyzard | usbserial is RS232-over-USB |
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| 18:34.31 | mxmx | what do i need to install to unzip something? |
| 18:35.03 | wols | mxmx: unzip |
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| 18:35.25 | mxmx | kay |
| 18:35.49 | jelly-home | who would have known |
| 18:36.14 | mxmx | not a debian noob like me |
| 18:36.37 | Bushmills | mxmx, do you know the "apropos" command? |
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| 18:36.54 | mxmx | nope |
| 18:37.00 | ay^ | neither do I |
| 18:37.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | You do now! |
| 18:37.05 | Bushmills | mxmx: try: apropos unzip |
| 18:37.09 | ay^ | woho! |
| 18:37.20 | jelly-home | mxmx: you might like "apt-cache search stuff" command |
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| 18:38.01 | heretic16 | My install stops at 33 % instal |
| 18:38.07 | heretic16 | install* |
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| 18:38.20 | mxmx | jelly what does that do? |
| 18:38.35 | ay^ | it searches the repos for your thingie |
| 18:38.38 | wols | !tell mxmx about grounding |
| 18:38.43 | jelly-home | mxmx: searches package names and descriptions for stuff |
| 18:39.16 | mxmx | ah thanks |
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| 18:41.51 | Xires | are 'less' and 'most' and 'tree' all found in contrib/ ? |
| 18:42.04 | stew | Xires: no they are all in main |
| 18:42.39 | Xires | stew; okay, so shouldn't atleast 'less' be on the netinst CD? |
| 18:43.11 | jelly-home | Xires: it is, afair |
| 18:43.20 | stew | Xires: i don't think so |
| 18:43.24 | jelly-home | I might be lying, |
| 18:43.25 | Xires | also..is there a list of what pages are selected by 'standard system'? |
| 18:43.41 | Xires | jelly; it's okay, it doesn't look like it(ffr) |
| 18:43.51 | stew | Xires: tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 18:44.05 | Xires | stefanb-; tyvm |
| 18:44.09 | Xires | oops |
| 18:44.13 | Xires | stew; tyvm |
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| 18:45.00 | stew | Xires: which should be the same as "aptitude search \~pstandard \~prequired \~pimportant" |
| 18:46.51 | heretic16 | here is a screenshot of my installtion of 33 % http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imag0797rm8.jpg |
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| 18:55.41 | JordiGH | How can I measure time with high resolution from a C++ program? |
| 18:56.04 | wols | I'd google HPET |
| 18:56.09 | wols | but how is this debian related? |
| 18:57.29 | JordiGH | Well, I'm kinda hoping there's some Debian library that makes this easy. I'm mucking around with <sys/time.h> and think that there must be a better way. :-/ |
| 18:57.59 | wols | first google, then when you see a lib exists, check debian repos for it |
| 18:59.27 | Bushmills | JordiGH: millisecond, or a few, good enough? |
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| 19:02.50 | TryPoD | stew, big lackage of how to's :( |
| 19:03.06 | JordiGH | Bushmills: No, I need at least microseconds. :-/ |
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| 19:03.36 | Bushmills | JordiGH: check whether that's accurate enough: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1214679702467581078.png |
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| 19:04.07 | TryPoD | stew, nvm :P |
| 19:04.11 | Bushmills | time.h or sys/time.h, not sure |
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| 19:04.31 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Yeah, ok, that's more or less what I'm going, except I didn't think of passing 0 instead of timezone. |
| 19:05.20 | JordiGH | Bushmills: What's the type of tv_usec? It's not int... |
| 19:05.27 | Bushmills | JordiGH: is used for time intervals, by substracting two results, so timezone is irrelevant |
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| 19:06.53 | mr_flea_ | Would anyone here be willing to help me with IPsec configuration? |
| 19:06.54 | Bushmills | JordiGH: long |
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| 19:09.06 | Bushmills | JordiGH: ignore the pushing of the result .. that's the data interface to a script language (code is from an editor, usable by its macro language) |
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| 19:10.46 | Bushmills | JordiGH: complete code is here: http://cia.vc/stats/project/efte |
| 19:11.39 | Xires | is there any way that I can 'forbid' certain packages or package groups from being installed? |
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| 19:13.03 | Ergo^ | is it safe to use checkinstall to build debs ? or is there something better to do it ? |
| 19:13.04 | Bushmills | JordiGH: or here: http://efte.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/efte/trunk/ |
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| 19:16.15 | ay^ | Ergo^: I've used it on a few cases, all went well then :) |
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| 19:21.34 | lch | hi, I want to backup my debian installation, but only the most important parts and bits, like /etc, /root and /home and then information what packages have been installed - where do I find that? |
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| 19:24.06 | zophy[] | lch, dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:24.50 | lch | ok thanks, but where does dpkg get that info? like in Gentoo there's a world file with the list of installed packages in it |
| 19:25.14 | lch | so that I can really back it up with cron |
| 19:25.43 | ay^ | well you can just do |
| 19:26.05 | ay^ | pkg --get-selections > /backup/installed.txt |
| 19:26.11 | ay^ | *dpkg |
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| 19:27.33 | ay^ | and set-selections < /backup/installed.txt to restore |
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| 19:27.51 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 19:27.59 | zophy[] | there's a database somewhere in /var/cache/apt i think, that's what dpkg looks at |
| 19:28.17 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.25 | zophy[] | ah |
| 19:28.27 | lch | I've run it through strace, seems like it's /var/lib/dpkg |
| 19:28.29 | lch | yeah |
| 19:29.03 | jelly-home | lch: yeah, ideally you want to backup all of /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 19:29.36 | lch | I think I'll go with all of /var/lib |
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| 19:30.05 | jelly-home | lch: also, /var/cache/debconf if you don't want to answer all the configuration questions again |
| 19:30.05 | lch | looks like that's where all the mysql data is stored, too |
| 19:30.13 | lch | ok thanks for that |
| 19:30.22 | Bushmills | when restoring, after setting former package state with set-selections, and then running a package manager, in a fresh installation? that would build /var/lib/dpkg new |
| 19:30.48 | chiawiki | how can I learn what kind of a cache level my machine has? from proc/cpuinfo I can see the CPU cache, but what about cache level 2 etc... ? |
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| 19:31.46 | abrotman | google? wikipedia ? |
| 19:31.56 | wols | !tell chiawiki about what's my hardware |
| 19:31.57 | Bushmills | chiawiki: cpu data sheets |
| 19:32.07 | wols | not needed. lshw tells it |
| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | chiawiki: cpuid? x86info? lshw? |
| 19:32.18 | Bushmills | or in general technical cpu docs. |
| 19:32.20 | jelly-home | beat me to it |
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| 19:32.38 | jelly-home | !lshw++ |
| 19:32.40 | chiawiki | thank you all |
| 19:32.52 | Jyzygzy- | this new wargames 2 movie is probably the worlds worst movie |
| 19:33.12 | zophy[] | too bad |
| 19:33.16 | Bushmills | replacing plan 9 from outer space? |
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| 19:33.30 | zophy[] | i like plan 9 |
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| 19:34.25 | jelly-home | !debian clone |
| 19:34.26 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 19:35.06 | bardamu | Hello |
| 19:35.14 | zophy[] | is there any reason to use open solaris ? |
| 19:35.24 | Bushmills | what about the splatter "bad taste"? |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | zophy[]: wrong channel |
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| 19:36.43 | zophy[] | ok.... is debian a reason to not use open solaris ? |
| 19:37.18 | zophy[] | snickers |
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| 19:37.28 | Bushmills | !rules_sucks |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | rules_sucks is, like, distribution popularity rating at http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rule_or_suck.png |
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| 19:37.31 | panacea`` | hi all |
| 19:38.03 | panacea`` | i have a bridge setup on my linux host, because of that i see a lot of messages in syslog, how can i turn them off? |
| 19:38.05 | th_ | hi, I've got 2 Debian servers, and one is currently set up as DHCP+DNS server, I've set up the other to be DNS server slave as well, now, how can I set up the second server to be a fallback DHCP server in case the first one is down? |
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| 19:39.02 | doomster | waves to the crowd. |
| 19:39.06 | Bushmills | th_: both server given as ns for your domains will delegate that to the resolvers |
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| 19:39.25 | th_ | Bushmills, it already works for DNS it's just DHCP I want to be redundant as well |
| 19:39.39 | th_ | because if the first server is down, my otehr machines on the network can't renew DHCP and after some time lose connectivity |
| 19:40.18 | Bushmills | th_: i think you can keep both DHCP responding - the first one wins |
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| 19:40.20 | doomster | anyone happen to know which package contains the manpages for xlib functions? |
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| 19:40.36 | abrotman | manpages-dev .. likely |
| 19:40.40 | bardamu | http://pastebin.fr/2028 |
| 19:40.49 | bardamu | i can't install mldonkey-server |
| 19:40.49 | th_ | Bushmills, but is there a way where they can share lease data etc. so the second server knows what the first one was doing? |
| 19:40.53 | bardamu | help pleas |
| 19:41.10 | th_ | like for DNS where the master name server will tell the slave if something is changed, but just for DHCP |
| 19:41.27 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:41.41 | abrotman | !tell bardamu about why aptitude |
| 19:41.51 | Bushmills | th_: yes, you'd let them talk over serial port, and send an special arp package to the router for switching over when one fails. |
| 19:42.37 | Bushmills | th_ i forgot what the name of the package let the fallback monitor the primary |
| 19:42.43 | Bushmills | package is which ... |
| 19:42.56 | th_ | Bushmills, I don't think that's the kind of solution I'm looking for, I'd like them both to have different IP's and work independently when both are up |
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| 19:43.27 | th_ | I suppose I could write a script that copies the dhcp.leases file across with rsync and then pings the primary DHCP server and starts dhcp on the second one if it's down.. |
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| 19:43.42 | panacea`` | i have a bridge with two interfaces eth1 and eth2 added to it, the traffic from the bridge usually gets out on another interface (via IPtables and NAT) to the Internet |
| 19:43.44 | th_ | I was just hoping there was a way in dhcp.conf or something to do it automatically |
| 19:44.11 | panacea`` | the problem is that internally, i cannot access hosts on eth1 from eth2 and vice versa, what could be the problem? |
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| 19:44.51 | th_ | panacea``, sounds like you have fairly complex iptables rules, it's probably something there :) |
| 19:45.35 | panacea`` | th_, nope I have simple iptables rules, and by the way, iptables should not have anything to do with internal bridge traffic |
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| 19:45.52 | wols | Priit_M: of course it does |
| 19:45.57 | wols | panacea``: ^^ |
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| 19:46.26 | panacea`` | wols, well that is in the case I have specified explicit rules for the interfaces |
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| 19:46.49 | panacea`` | wols, but eth1 and eth2 are in the bridge, and that bridge is specified as a single interface in all iptables rules |
| 19:47.07 | panacea`` | why could there be a problem with that? |
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| 19:48.02 | panacea`` | if i ping a host conn to eth2 from eth1, the ping reaches linux host, but I dont see any reply, I have checked this using tcpdump |
| 19:48.23 | th_ | panacea``, what's your default rule for your iptables FORWARD |
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| 19:48.38 | th_ | also do you have forwarding enabled for the bridge interface |
| 19:49.04 | peleg | whenever I run azureus, I get "An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment". It happens every time, and removing ~/.azureus solves it for about half an hour... any ideas? |
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| 19:50.00 | panacea`` | the_, FORWARD -i internet_interface -o bridge -j ACCEPT |
| 19:50.27 | panacea`` | the other rule is swap the interfaces, the rest is same |
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| 19:50.56 | giuseppe | hi everybody, I've a problem with xorg, can u help me? I tried a minimal install (wanted fluxbox) but now xorg give me error 104, I tried vesa and nv drivers. my videocard is a Geforce 8600gt, debian version is etch. help, I'm writing from irssi :\, thanks :) |
| 19:51.40 | cusco | giuseppe: maybe you can take a look at xorg log |
| 19:51.46 | Bushmills | th_: heartbeat was the name i was trying to remember |
| 19:52.10 | abrotman | giuseppe: how did you install xorg ? |
| 19:52.18 | abrotman | giuseppe: the vesa should work .. the nv won't |
| 19:52.24 | giuseppe | cusco: u mean xsession-errors in ~/. ? |
| 19:52.41 | giuseppe | abrotman: apt-get install xorg-core xorg-dev |
| 19:53.03 | abrotman | giuseppe: aptitude install xorg .. try the vesa driver |
| 19:53.36 | giuseppe | abrotman: with nv = error 104, with vesa monitor turn off and had to reboot :S |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | lower resolution |
| 19:53.57 | th_ | Bushmills, cool, thanks, that looks exactly like the type of thing I was looking for |
| 19:54.20 | giuseppe | abrotman: gonna try, strange because I always use 1280x1024, maybe vesa can't support it. |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | try like 800x600 |
| 19:55.11 | Azar | abrotman, etch did not got nvidia driver yet? |
| 19:55.27 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | ignores |
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| 19:55.35 | xingu | panacea``: you probably want to pastebin ip link show, ip addr show, and brctl show somewhere |
| 19:55.40 | Azar | :) |
| 19:55.55 | format_c | Azar: sure it does. |
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| 19:56.19 | Cripps | hello, I just did an apt-get upgrade the other day, I'm running Sid with kernel 2.6.24-1-686, with kde and I'm trying to use knetworkmanager to configure my network. Before I upgraded it worked fine, and now the service applet says that "NetworkManager is not running." there's a solution for ubuntu (run gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor/) but that fix doesn't work without the gtk-update-icon-cache c |
| 19:56.24 | Cripps | ommand, which I can't seem to find. Does anybody know of another fix that would work under Sid? |
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| 19:57.49 | xingu | panacea``: nb a bridge will only forward traffic if the dst hwaddr is either unknown (it will flood in this case), or, if the dst hwaddr is not known on the rx intf |
| 19:57.50 | th_ | Cripps, you said the "u" word |
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| 19:58.18 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: same situation with 800x600 vesa |
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| 19:58.41 | Cripps | th_, yes, I did say the u-word ... to give you an idea of "what's out there" and "what I've tried." |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | giuseppe_: i'd think the vesa should work |
| 19:58.58 | ZitZ | i can't mount my ntfs drive anymore |
| 19:59.19 | ZitZ | it mounts fine when i log into gnome but doesn't mount when i'm in enlightenment |
| 19:59.26 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: :(, any ideas? thanks for ur attention |
| 19:59.26 | panacea`` | xingu, can i see which addresses has the bridge learned? |
| 19:59.37 | abrotman | giuseppe_: look in the X log .. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:59.49 | xingu | panacea``: brctl |
| 19:59.59 | panacea`` | xingu, ok i found that |
| 20:00.03 | xingu | panacea``: ... showmacs |
| 20:00.06 | abrotman | giuseppe_: or if you use lenny, the nv driver should work |
| 20:00.09 | th_ | Cripps, I dunno if this helps you but on Etch I have this: dpkg -S /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache - libgtk2.0-bin: /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 20:00.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.24 | format_c | default configuration with nvidia and xorg should normally work. For nvidia driver you can use http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:00.38 | panacea`` | xingu, the number of macs that are listed are exactly the number of interfaces my network is comprised of |
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| 20:00.50 | Cripps | th_ apparently the "u-word" fix is a common solution because there are problems out there with all sorts of network-manager-kde debs, and many debs in general, that are caused by not running the gtk-update-icon-cache, but, I don't know where to find that command ... I've looked google, I've asked dpkg, and I've tried apt ... no solutions, so now I'm looking for a little human intervention before the battery on my l |
| 20:00.50 | Cripps | aptop dies. |
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| 20:00.58 | format_c | working fine for me |
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| 20:01.00 | panacea`` | xingu, it is correctly showing whether the interface is local or not |
| 20:01.03 | Cripps | th_, thankis, I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:01.17 | xingu | panacea``: is the bridge forwarding, stp-wise (or is stp disabled?) |
| 20:01.27 | format_c | playing a bit foobillard |
| 20:01.36 | panacea`` | xingu, stp disables, i do not have multiple bridges so i turned off stp |
| 20:01.46 | panacea`` | s/disables/disabled |
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| 20:01.55 | Cripps | th_, turns out i didn't have that package installed working on it now. |
| 20:02.29 | xingu | panacea``: if you ping from a host on eth1 to a host on eth2, do you see arp who-has traffic reach eth1? |
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| 20:03.08 | xingu | notes that the sooner that ipv4 and its vagarities disappears up its own backside the better |
| 20:03.16 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: I can see only some errors, with fonts directory... is it possible? |
| 20:03.37 | abrotman | giuseppe_: did you aptitude install xorg ? |
| 20:03.45 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: yes |
| 20:04.25 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: maybe truetype fonts? don't know :( |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | maybe try even 640x480 .. 16bpp |
| 20:04.27 | Cripps | th_, damn ... turns out that that specific fix isn't working for me :S |
| 20:04.37 | Cripps | ... time to figure out other possible candidates. |
| 20:04.39 | th_ | Cripps, must be something else then |
| 20:04.45 | Cripps | yeah. |
| 20:04.52 | giuseppe_ | abrotman: thanks, trying |
| 20:04.59 | Cripps | thanks for the help though. |
| 20:05.03 | th_ | no problem |
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| 20:06.22 | Azar | looks at abrotman.... Gripps, ever tried sarge? |
| 20:06.25 | Azar | hids |
| 20:06.34 | Azar | just joking |
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| 20:07.10 | panacea`` | xingu, i just pinged from eth2 to a host on eth1, with tcpdump running on eth2 and showing only arp traffic, there is no ARP traffic related to the host i am pinging, secondly if i run tcpdump so that it shows icmp i can notice icmp echo requests |
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| 20:07.36 | abrotman | Azar: do not recommend sarge to anyone ever any more |
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| 20:07.51 | abrotman | Azar: it's been out of security support for months |
| 20:08.38 | Azar | yeah, sorry... I would never really do that again, the new PCs won't get it right anyways |
| 20:08.41 | xingu | panacea``: so the host you're pinging from has learnt the hw addr of the host it is pinging (it will show in its arp cache); I would suggest you delete the (assumedly temporary) arp entry on it, via arp -d and retest |
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| 20:09.41 | panacea`` | xingu, sorry, i tried it again for two different hosts, i can see the ARP replies for both of them shown by tcpdump on eth2 |
| 20:09.54 | xingu | panacea``: if the host is able to learn the hw addr of the target without traversing the bridge you have busted topology |
| 20:10.04 | panacea`` | xingu, requests and replies both |
| 20:10.11 | enouf | ~$ gcc -v --help 2>&1 | less <-oh way cool :-) |
| 20:10.13 | xingu | panacea``: excellent, this is the expected result |
| 20:10.25 | xingu | panacea``: and now, is the bridge learning the addresses? |
| 20:10.34 | panacea`` | xingu, yes |
| 20:10.51 | panacea`` | xingu, brctl showmacs br0 outputs the correct macs |
| 20:11.10 | xingu | panacea``: excellent; so, if the _traffic_ is not passing, it must be a network layer issue, which is invaluable knowledge |
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| 20:11.50 | xingu | panacea``: are you seeing any IP traffic after the arp reply? four datapoints - echo-request-rx-eth1, echo-request-tx-eth2, echo-reply-rx-eth2, echo-reply-tx-eth1 |
| 20:12.04 | xingu | panacea``: the one that is absent reveals the breakage |
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| 20:14.17 | theclaw | hi there |
| 20:15.00 | panacea`` | xingu, i figured out it was iptables, thank you |
| 20:15.01 | theclaw | I want to update gnome to 2.22 (I'm using debian unstable), is there any "comfortable" way, that is without having so specify each package by hand? |
| 20:15.13 | xingu | panacea``: excellent |
| 20:15.24 | panacea`` | thanks wols and th_ |
| 20:15.49 | xingu | panacea``: nb; you're better off looking up ethertables/ arptables than mucking about with iptables on bridge members |
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| 20:16.35 | xingu | s/ethertables/ebtables/ |
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| 20:17.07 | n0lif3R | Hi! I'm looking for an open source solution to connect remotely to my customers and take over their desktop when they call with computer problems. Currently we are using Bomgar ( www.bomgar.com ) |
| 20:17.11 | n0lif3R | Any recommentations? |
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| 20:18.15 | xingu | n0lif3R: tightvnc or freenx ? |
| 20:18.27 | Bushmills | n0lif3R: ssh. if you need to connect to machines behind firewall, or with rfc1918 addresses, add openvpn. |
| 20:18.29 | panacea`` | xingu, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 20:20.32 | ZitZ | i need the netbios ports open on my machine's firewall for samba to work, is that normal? |
| 20:20.57 | Wyzard | ZitZ: Yes, that's how samba works |
| 20:21.27 | ZitZ | is that necessary on windows machines as well? |
| 20:21.31 | micols | how do i mount nfs with exec option in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 20:21.45 | micols | i tried defaults and also exec, but i can only mount exec with mount -o |
| 20:21.50 | xingu | ZitZ: only if the machine is about a million years old; most modern clients speak cifs quite happily |
| 20:22.02 | xingu | ZitZ: as an added bonus, it tends to be faster. |
| 20:22.13 | micols | seems fstab doesn't recognize exec or defaults |
| 20:22.15 | micols | for nfs shares |
| 20:22.25 | micols | exec should be default for all medias |
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| 20:22.35 | micols | according to the manpage |
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| 20:48.35 | silly | Noob question: can the file /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 be hand edited to make any changes or must the kernel be recompiled for the changes to actually occur? The specifics: changing "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set" to "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y" and changing "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m" to "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y" Thanks! |
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| 20:48.43 | Bardamu | re |
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| 20:49.57 | rvsjoen | silly : that file is only what your kernel was compiled with, to change something you need to recompile |
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| 20:50.30 | abrotman | silly: what's wrong with it being a module ? |
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| 20:51.00 | silly | had a feeling that was the answer but I wanted to be sure... thanks, rvsjoen! |
| 20:52.07 | silly | I can get the computer to sleep when using the plain "nv" vesa driver, but the keyboard randomly glitches. I can solve the glitching problem by installing the accelerated nvidia driver, but then the sleep won't work. I've got some leads from the logs and I've been googling them. The How-to I've been following referred to those changes, which is why the querstion |
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| 20:52.56 | abrotman | changing your X display driver fixes the keyboard? |
| 20:52.57 | silly | the how-to is from the s2ram docs |
| 20:53.20 | silly | yes... took me a while and some help to figure it out |
| 20:53.36 | Bushmills | silly: actually, it is preferable to have loop as module |
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| 20:54.11 | Bushmills | because that way you can specify the max number of loop mounts |
| 20:54.19 | silly | the kernel's already configured for the loop module, but thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:55.20 | Bushmills | silly: if you try to mount more than the kernel compiled maximum -> problem. when module, just unload, and reload with a different max value. |
| 20:56.15 | Bushmills | default when compiled into kernel was 8 in the past., not sure what it is now. |
| 20:56.43 | silly | mount more than the kernel compiled maximum... don't understand |
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| 20:57.04 | Bushmills | think of .. say .. a cdrom server. |
| 20:57.36 | Bushmills | put iso images on hard disk, loop mount and export them. |
| 20:57.38 | silly | the main prob I'm having is that the intel_agp and agpgart are loading and excluding the NvAGP from loading |
| 20:58.29 | silly | I've tried blackloisting them in /etc/modprobed/blacklist but that doesn't do it |
| 20:58.33 | Bushmills | the loop as module suggestion relates to CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y from your question |
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| 21:00.28 | Bushmills | what i tried to explain supports abrotmans view of "what's wrong with it being a module ?" and gives a scenario where it is actually bad to have it not as module |
| 21:00.33 | Nyle | Azar, ! |
| 21:00.34 | silly | my question about CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y was where I started but I guess I should have stated the main problem from the beginning |
| 21:00.41 | Nyle | Azar, Azar Azar Azar |
| 21:00.42 | Nyle | ping |
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| 21:01.46 | abrotman | !tell silly about blacklist |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | !tell silly about blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:03.25 | Bushmills | !42 |
| 21:03.26 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 21:04.57 | silly | blacklist-initramfs... is it a file, like initram.conf? |
| 21:05.10 | wols | silly: READ what dpkg just told you |
| 21:05.28 | swapon | how can map a scsi disk with an udev rule for its uuid?? |
| 21:05.54 | swapon | sorry my poor english |
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| 21:05.57 | Bushmills | dpkg, 42 is also a case of an answer, obtained without having clearly formulated the question which lead to the result. a case of "here the answer, lets find the question to it" |
| 21:05.57 | dpkg | that's too long, Bushmills |
| 21:06.03 | silly | ahhh... got it. Thanks |
| 21:06.18 | swapon | i wanna be sure /dev/sda is always disk uid=whatever |
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| 21:07.44 | Bushmills | dpkg, notlongenough is http://forthfreak.net/misc/password.jpg |
| 21:07.45 | dpkg | Bushmills: okay |
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| 21:08.58 | basix_ | i have a bridge and 2 tap interfaces ( see my /etc/interfaces here: http://pastebin.ca/1057664 ). the bridge is NATed and both tap0 and tap1 can communicate with the external world and everything on the local LAN but they can't talk to each other. when i try to ping 1 Virtual machine to another i get "destination host unreachable". what could be the problem? I'm on Lenny using virtualbox 1.6.x |
| 21:09.05 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 21:09.07 | Nyle | Bushmills, word |
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| 21:09.29 | Nyle | Bushmills, join #debian-offtopic |
| 21:09.33 | Nyle | please |
| 21:09.48 | Bushmills | will people there try to sell me anything? |
| 21:09.54 | Nyle | no |
| 21:09.56 | Nyle | just talk n stuff |
| 21:10.15 | basix | anybody? |
| 21:10.25 | wols | Bushmills: there will be guaranteed no talk about sex, fellatio, sluts giving blowjobs, etc. guaranteed none |
| 21:10.37 | Bushmills | and debian talk is off-topic? |
| 21:10.41 | Nyle | no |
| 21:10.44 | Nyle | everything goes |
| 21:10.53 | Nyle | from crazy anal gaping to worshipping jesus |
| 21:10.57 | Nyle | seriously just join it |
| 21:10.57 | Nyle | :) |
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| 21:11.33 | wols | Nyle: if you talk about anal gaping, the PC police might show up |
| 21:11.38 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:12.34 | swapon | how can create a symlink for scsi disk with an udev rule mapped to its /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?? |
| 21:12.57 | swapon | for ensure always sda is one especific disk |
| 21:13.30 | swapon | any help?? |
| 21:13.39 | enouf | yes, make a udev rule |
| 21:14.00 | enouf | "run locate writing_udev_rules" |
| 21:14.04 | enouf | run "locate writing_udev_rules" |
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| 21:15.31 | swapon | enouf: run?? |
| 21:15.39 | enouf | wols: haha, get this; some friggin turd in ##linux is claiming "wols" is helping him with slax/windows/ubuntu issues in #ubuntu ..lmao |
| 21:15.43 | slaytanic | Anyone knows if there's a repository that has recent versions of Asterisk for etch? |
| 21:15.57 | enouf | wols: i called him a F'n liar .. amirite? |
| 21:16.14 | enouf | swapon: no wait, walk |
| 21:16.15 | wols | enouf: I told him he has no ubuntu problem but a slax problem and go away |
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| 21:16.28 | wols | so yes you were right. and wrong |
| 21:16.37 | swapon | enouf: sure i do not underestand you |
| 21:16.45 | enouf | sucks to be caught in the middle :-P |
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| 21:18.06 | Nyle | sucks to be enouf ! |
| 21:18.08 | enouf | wols: well, must've been years ago, b/c his nick isn't in my scrollback, from ##linux-> [17:00:23] <Pruebaaaaaaaa> Pulpie, wols is trying to help me |
| 21:18.32 | enouf | wols: and i know you don't hang out in #*buntu :-P |
| 21:18.37 | Nyle | enouf, you know you can say fucking liar too? |
| 21:18.38 | Nyle | F'n? |
| 21:18.42 | Nyle | sounds like a laptop key |
| 21:18.43 | abrotman | hi .. #debian ? |
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| 21:19.02 | Nyle | special laptop keys |
| 21:19.08 | enouf | Nyle: i know, just good practice for me to self-censor when not really needed |
| 21:19.11 | Nyle | he is a special laptop key liar :) |
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| 21:19.52 | Bardamu | !fr |
| 21:19.52 | dpkg | fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:22.10 | wols | enouf: it was a few min ago. last quarter hour |
| 21:22.21 | wols | enouf: please do a /whois on me |
| 21:22.30 | mns | Anyone uses OpenOffice ? |
| 21:22.43 | enouf | wols: i did long ago |
| 21:22.53 | enouf | wols: you're not in #ubuntu |
| 21:23.07 | wols | enouf: please check what +i is in modes |
| 21:23.30 | vadmeste | mns: join #openoffice.org |
| 21:23.30 | enouf | [17:00:45] <enouf> Pruebaaaaaaaa: which channel? [17:01:04] <Pruebaaaaaaaa> ubuntu |
| 21:23.47 | wols | enouf: he didn't lie there |
| 21:23.56 | enouf | wols: well fuck it, if you want to play games .. fine .. i don't give a shit |
| 21:24.19 | enouf | fucken modes and shit - there Nyle .. happy? |
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| 21:24.42 | mns | vadmeste: I did. Just not getting a response there, and since there was such a lively discussion going on in here, figured would ask here. |
| 21:24.46 | enouf | fucken assholes hiding shit |
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| 21:26.02 | vadmeste | mns: ask |
| 21:27.41 | Nyle | vadmeste, good day |
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| 21:30.00 | vadmeste | Nyle, yes... |
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| 21:30.12 | Nyle | just sayin hey |
| 21:30.32 | Nyle | enouf, modes? |
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| 21:30.55 | wols | irc user modes. +i for invisible |
| 21:30.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:31.11 | Nyle | oh I wasn't following |
| 21:31.15 | Nyle | i just my hilight |
| 21:31.19 | Nyle | saw* |
| 21:31.41 | Nyle | enouf, I'm never happy :( |
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| 21:32.55 | mns | How does one change the paper size of a document in OpenOffice ? I've got a document that is using Legal paper size, and I need it in Letter size. |
| 21:33.42 | vadmeste | ahh no !! |
| 21:33.50 | foutrelis | mns, Format -> Page |
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| 21:37.16 | mns | foutrelis: thanks. how I missed that, I have no clue. |
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| 21:41.17 | vadmeste | mns: can I give you a clue ? .. Learn to google.. |
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| 21:48.50 | mns | vadmeste: Thanks for the clue, but it works only in the case where you've got the right terminology/jargon and even then at times it doesn't necessarily give you what you want. When you hit results like "Given my recent experience with Sun's legal department, I've tried to … such as preparing letters, faxes, or memoranda, and even lets you convert all your …" when searching for "openoffice convert legal to letter" your clue does |
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| 21:49.57 | jelly-home | mns: openoffice paper size change ? |
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| 21:51.22 | mns | jelly-home: thanks. a bit late, but thanks. :) |
| 21:52.08 | jelly-home | don't search for specifics.. what if you had to change the size to a4? |
| 21:52.38 | jelly-home | (or: search for specifics if you have an exact error message for your problem) |
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| 21:53.23 | tetraedr | hi people |
| 21:53.34 | mns | good advice jelly-home |
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| 21:53.43 | tetraedr | I need /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory. in which package it resides? |
| 21:54.04 | mns | thats in the kernel-headers package |
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| 21:54.09 | mns | if I'm not mistaken |
| 21:54.13 | mns | let me check |
| 21:55.03 | tetraedr | thnx |
| 21:55.15 | tetraedr | it's not in this package, but it's a dependenct |
| 21:55.15 | jelly-home | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:55.18 | gnat_x | i have lenny installed, and i'm using xmm2, i have the * |
| 21:55.18 | gnat_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.18 | gnat_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.21 | tetraedr | *dependecy |
| 21:55.23 | gnat_x | woops |
| 21:55.26 | gnat_x | wrong past. |
| 21:55.28 | gnat_x | e |
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| 21:56.43 | gnat_x | i have lenny installed, and i'm using xmm2, i have the xmms2-plugin-wma, and it simply doesn't work. i don't see any bugs filed against it, and wanted to see if others were having similar issues? |
| 21:57.32 | mns | jelly-home beat me to it |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | gnat_x: did you read the package description .. the bugs are likely filed against the real packages |
| 21:59.04 | gnat_x | yeah. its not in xmms2 bugs |
| 21:59.15 | gnat_x | (i should have specified that) |
| 21:59.21 | abrotman | well .. no bugs there either |
| 22:00.18 | gnat_x | i was askind about it #xmms2 and the folks in there think its almost certainly something to do witht the plugin. |
| 22:00.49 | jelly-home | gnat_x: have you verified whether your files work in other players? |
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| 22:01.14 | gnat_x | jelly-home: yup. worked fine on my etch machine with mplayer. |
| 22:01.59 | jelly-home | I guess you've exhausted other options and should file a bug, then |
| 22:04.25 | gnat_x | installs reportbug |
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| 22:11.57 | Tracy_P | I'm preparing to build a driver for a DWL-600+ wi-fi for an old 486 laptop on etch 2.6.18-5-486 - http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX#Outside_the_kernel_tree |
| 22:11.57 | Tracy_P | How would I get the path /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build in my install? |
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| 22:14.28 | wols | you've already been told: with kernel headers for your kernel |
| 22:14.46 | wols | Tracy_P: what kernel do you run? |
| 22:14.50 | swapon | how can create a symlink for scsi disk with an udev rule mapped to its /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?? |
| 22:14.54 | swapon | any help? |
| 22:15.36 | Tracy_P | Isn't this the kernel number? 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:15.50 | wols | it is. what cpu do you have? |
| 22:16.13 | Bushmills | swapon: the usb storage rules should, used for usbmount, should give a good example |
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| 22:16.31 | Tracy_P | I was thinking an old 486, but that's what etch just installed from the CD |
| 22:16.33 | lwizardl | Hi |
| 22:16.41 | wols | Tracy_P: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:16.51 | Tracy_P | maybe that's an old P-150 |
| 22:16.55 | swapon | Bushmills: not for usb. Just for scsi disk |
| 22:17.01 | wols | Tracy_P: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:17.09 | Bushmills | swapon: "example" |
| 22:17.17 | wols | swapon: but usbmount has the same problem just for usb disks |
| 22:17.24 | lwizardl | how do I enable support for my Tor proxy for apt? I'm wanting to be able to install programs but I get errors currently |
| 22:17.25 | Tracy_P | Pentium MMX |
| 22:17.39 | wols | Tracy_P: -686 kernel is what you want then |
| 22:17.42 | swapon | Bushmills: i did not found parameter for match with uid disk |
| 22:17.57 | wols | oops. not really. guess you're right, 486. mmx was a 586 |
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| 22:19.24 | Ergo^ | hello |
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| 22:20.49 | Ergo^ | im having one machine with ralink 2561 wifi card, and i just installed lenny on it, it has kernel , 2.6.24-1 which should have drivers for that card, yet i see no network applet nor i dont have any connection, lspci showes the name of the card correctly |
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| 22:22.06 | Ergo^ | do i need to add firmware for those cards by hand ? |
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| 22:23.03 | Tracy_P | wols: Thank you I had 2.6.18-5-486 and needed 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:23.47 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about rt61 |
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| 22:30.22 | Bushmills | !snockbat |
| 22:30.39 | Bushmills | !backsnot |
| 22:30.58 | Bushmills | !botsnack |
| 22:30.59 | dpkg | Bushmills: :) |
| 22:31.03 | Bushmills | ah, that's it |
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| 22:34.10 | gnat_x | Ergo^: do you have wireless-tools installed if so, what happens when you "iwlist scan"? |
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| 22:38.24 | Ergo^ | gnat_x: i just installed wireless-tools and threw firmare files to /lib/firmware |
| 22:38.32 | Ergo^ | ill post results any second |
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| 22:42.12 | Ergo^ | ok i found wlan0 and wlanmaster, i just need to start that networking applet |
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| 22:44.38 | poseidon | Does debian have a default firewall of some sort? |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | no |
| 22:44.48 | nitro44x | na |
| 22:45.48 | poseidon | I'm having trouble connecting to a p2p network. |
| 22:46.16 | jelly-home | !ni |
| 22:46.17 | dpkg | ni is Nicaragua; 2-letter: ni; 3-letter: nic; number: 558. Ekki ekki ekki ekki-z'Bang zoom-Boing z'nourrrwringmm |
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| 22:46.57 | ice63 | can someone tell me how to set the resolution in x-window-system for lenny ? pl |
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| 22:47.30 | jelly-home | ice63: you can use xrandr to change it on the fly |
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| 22:47.54 | ice63 | i'm useing blackbox |
| 22:48.00 | haxi | maybe someone can tell me what's wrong here: http://rafb.net/p/hbdQxR60.html |
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| 22:48.20 | poseidon | ice63, you could always edit xorg.conf |
| 22:48.36 | Ergo^ | hmmm... how do i enabl nm-applet for wireless configuration ? |
| 22:48.38 | poseidon | dpkg, no. ni is the knights who say ni ;) |
| 22:48.39 | dpkg | poseidon: okay |
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| 22:48.52 | ice63 | poseidon: can i use nano ? |
| 22:49.33 | poseidon | sure. It should be under screens or display devices I believe. |
| 22:49.46 | poseidon | Or you could use nvidia-settings |
| 22:49.50 | ice63 | k |
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| 22:50.22 | poseidon | O, it's under screen. |
| 22:50.33 | gnat_x | Ergo^: gnome or kde or other? |
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| 22:50.52 | jelly-home | !ni |
| 22:50.52 | dpkg | ni is Nicaragua; 2-letter: ni; 3-letter: nic; number: 558. Ekki ekki ekki ekki-z'Bang zoom-Boing z'nourrrwringmm |
| 22:51.01 | jelly-home | !no. ni |
| 22:51.02 | dpkg | from memory, no. ni is the knights who say ni ;) |
| 22:51.06 | jelly-home | !forget no. ni |
| 22:51.07 | dpkg | jelly-home: i didn't have anything called 'no. ni' to forget |
| 22:51.13 | jelly-home | !forget "no. ni" |
| 22:51.14 | dpkg | jelly-home: i didn't have anything called '"no. ni"' to forget |
| 22:51.16 | Ergo^ | gnome, i just run that scan , and it lists the adapters, so i guess adapter is running ? now i would like to configure it in a human friendly way |
| 22:51.17 | jelly-home | bugger. |
| 22:51.27 | jelly-home | !forget no. ni |
| 22:51.28 | dpkg | i forgot no. ni, jelly-home |
| 22:51.59 | gnat_x | Ergo^: that scan should pull in all wireless networks available to you. hrm, try running it as root. |
| 22:52.16 | gnat_x | Ergo^: s/available to you/visibl to you |
| 22:53.12 | Ergo^ | gnat_x: my network is encrypred, that command showed me the adapters... |
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| 22:53.54 | Ergo^ | ok found my network |
| 22:55.06 | gnat_x | Ergo^: by the way its the: network-manager-gnome package if you were still looking for it. |
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| 22:58.28 | gabehorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.28 | gabehorn | k. Thank you! |
| 22:58.51 | Kewll | Helo everybody ... helo OPs!!! i am newest interested in Linux system, but i m fear OS brutal change!!! |
| 22:59.16 | jelly-home | !tell gabehorn about apt-zip |
| 22:59.47 | Ergo^ | gnat_x: well it seems that i dont have that package onboard, is it possible its not on installer cd ? |
| 22:59.54 | vorbote | Kewll: Xanax and a deep breath. |
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| 23:02.11 | Kewll | ;) |
| 23:02.22 | Kewll | i ve been taked |
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| 23:03.11 | Kewll | but now i can feel side effects |
| 23:03.23 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:03.55 | Nyle | Kewll, I think ubuntu might be best for you if you are very very new to linux |
| 23:04.07 | Nyle | Kewll, debian isn't for a total newbie imo |
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| 23:04.19 | Nyle | Kewll, or Knoppix actualy would be best to check out linux |
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| 23:04.28 | Nyle | Kewll, #knoppix or #ubuntu |
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| 23:04.50 | Kewll | i just wanna knows if changing my OS i ll can read my medical and info files that i ve used to do on Badwin!!! |
| 23:05.17 | Kewll | ok Nyle!! |
| 23:05.24 | Nyle | Kewll, you can download a knoppix cd image, burn it to cd, and boot with it, and it will provide a working linux graphcal desktop system with all the apps you could need fo regualr everyday use |
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| 23:05.30 | Joelito | hi all, I'm using debian testing + compiz (from debian's repo) and I have a weird slowness while scrolling with iceweasel, any ideas howto solve this? |
| 23:05.31 | Nyle | Kewll, you do nto have to install linux to check it out |
| 23:05.40 | Nyle | Kewll, you can use linux without isntalling on the hard drive |
| 23:05.47 | Nyle | Kewll, you can keep yoru existing os and not have to change it |
| 23:05.55 | Kewll | wow |
| 23:06.04 | Nyle | Kewll, once you feel comfortable with it then you can isntall it if you want to have it permanently |
| 23:06.05 | Kewll | i didn know that!! |
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| 23:06.30 | Nyle | its pretty cool actually |
| 23:06.30 | Kewll | but network and soud work fully!? |
| 23:06.32 | Nyle | !livecd |
| 23:06.32 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 23:06.37 | Nyle | look here |
| 23:06.43 | Nyle | Kewll, yes |
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| 23:07.04 | Nyle | Kewll, I dunnoa about debian live cd as i have never used it |
| 23:07.13 | Kewll | Nyle, u a cool man/woman!!! |
| 23:07.18 | Nyle | but Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) is awesome |
| 23:07.31 | Nyle | your sound, audio, network, video everything works nice |
| 23:07.37 | Nyle | no need to configure or install anything |
| 23:07.44 | Nyle | just boot with cd, and start using a desktop that works |
| 23:07.45 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:07.55 | Kewll | and if some kind of problem ocurr wt to do..could nack here and pray!!! |
| 23:07.58 | Kewll | ;) |
| 23:08.02 | Nyle | no |
| 23:08.07 | Kewll | opps |
| 23:08.09 | Nyle | then you join #knoppix and ask them for support |
| 23:08.16 | Kewll | #knoppix |
| 23:08.18 | ovm | hi, someone has a firmware or update to Woxter i-Cube X-DiV 35 XP ? thanks |
| 23:08.19 | Kewll | or? |
| 23:08.27 | Nyle | once you feel comfortable (or if you feel daring) you can try to use debian |
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| 23:09.31 | Kewll | helo ovm i think here is only about Debian Proble and help. not software requests!!! |
| 23:09.40 | Kewll | ok Nyle!!! |
| 23:09.51 | Kewll | i ll try..cya later!!! |
| 23:09.56 | Nyle | bye |
| 23:10.23 | ovm | Kewll, but i have debian, and it doesn't work good with my hard external disk |
| 23:10.53 | Kewll | hum..so maybe your problems can be resolved!! |
| 23:11.01 | Nyle | ovm, you connect it through usb |
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| 23:11.07 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:11.10 | Moleboy | Hey...can someone help me figure out which one to download? |
| 23:11.32 | ovm | Nyle, look: linux kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10 |
| 23:11.40 | Moleboy | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [armel] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
| 23:11.45 | Moleboy | I can't figure out which one to download |
| 23:11.46 | ovm | but it doesn't mount my hard disk |
| 23:11.48 | abrotman | Moleboy: what is your CPU ? |
| 23:11.51 | Nyle | Moleboy, what cpu do yo uhave? |
| 23:11.53 | Moleboy | I have a Q9450 |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | Moleboy: either i386 or amd64 |
| 23:12.02 | Nyle | try i386 or amd64 |
| 23:12.04 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | Moleboy: if it's for a desktop, i'd probably go i386 |
| 23:12.25 | Kangel | Moleboy: is better i386 |
| 23:12.29 | Moleboy | I just don't have an AMD proc so I was wondering... |
| 23:12.38 | Moleboy | Ok, I guess I'll get the i386 version... |
| 23:12.41 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 23:12.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 23:13.02 | Moleboy | Also, how much trouble will I have with a linksys USB adapter? |
| 23:13.10 | Nyle | flash is not so hard and java too |
| 23:13.16 | Nyle | amd64 is a good desktop |
| 23:13.17 | gnat_x | Ergo^: its very possible. do you have aptitude configureed with remot sources? |
| 23:13.19 | Moleboy | Java is very easy. |
| 23:13.23 | Joelito | anyone know the reason of the slowness of scrolling? |
| 23:13.29 | Moleboy | So... |
| 23:13.35 | Moleboy | Anyone have any idea? |
| 23:13.42 | Nyle | there is no java or flash browser plugins for amd64 |
| 23:13.46 | Nyle | you have to workaround that |
| 23:13.51 | Moleboy | Mmm... |
| 23:13.52 | Nyle | but its not bad or slow |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | Moleboy: the linksys bit will depend on the chipset driving it |
| 23:14.05 | Moleboy | o.O |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | ORR##))OOO |
| 23:14.27 | Moleboy | What chipset? The only time I hear the word chipset is relating to motherboards x.x |
| 23:14.32 | Moleboy | WUSB600N |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | so google "chipset wusb600n" |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | !wusb600n |
| 23:15.10 | abrotman | themill: see .. gsimmons is failing! |
| 23:15.21 | Nyle | Azar, !ping! |
| 23:15.22 | Moleboy | ok, thanks |
| 23:15.27 | Nyle | !seen Azar |
| 23:15.27 | dpkg | azar is currently on #debian (3h 47m 39s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 3h 6m 48s, last said: 'yeah, sorry... I would never really do that again, the new PCs won't get it right anyways'. |
| 23:15.57 | Ergo^ | gnat_x: i have fresh install so everything is default, i have cdrom sourced enabled in apt.list |
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| 23:16.49 | Nyle | gnat_x, do you have any http sources in sources.list |
| 23:17.09 | JordiGH | !ping |
| 23:17.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:17.10 | Nyle | er.. |
| 23:17.14 | Nyle | the other dude |
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| 23:17.55 | Moleboy | Sorry for another question |
| 23:18.05 | Moleboy | I clicked on i386 |
| 23:18.05 | Nyle | why are you sorry ? |
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| 23:18.16 | Moleboy | and there is a directory for about....alot of different ISO's |
| 23:18.20 | Moleboy | which one do I pick? |
| 23:18.25 | Moleboy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:18.39 | Nyle | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 23:18.59 | Nyle | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso <-- I prefer this one |
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| 23:19.36 | Moleboy | you prefer KDE? |
| 23:19.40 | Nyle | yessir |
| 23:19.44 | Moleboy | is KDE the only desktop theme thing |
| 23:19.45 | Moleboy | available? |
| 23:19.49 | Nyle | no |
| 23:19.52 | Moleboy | Or is gnome also? |
| 23:19.53 | Nyle | there is xfce iso too |
| 23:19.58 | Nyle | cd 1 defuals to gnome |
| 23:19.59 | Moleboy | mm |
| 23:20.05 | Nyle | only kde and xfce have special cd1 editions |
| 23:20.10 | Moleboy | I gotta see what xfce looks like |
| 23:20.14 | Moleboy | hang on one sec |
| 23:20.15 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 23:20.15 | dpkg | somebody said xwinman was probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 23:20.17 | jdrake | Is there an estimated date of 5.0 shipping? |
| 23:20.17 | Nyle | here |
| 23:20.23 | Nyle | end of this year |
| 23:20.27 | Nyle | hopefully |
| 23:20.30 | Nyle | but no tellin |
| 23:20.46 | Nyle | octoborish |
| 23:20.47 | Nyle | mabye |
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| 23:21.10 | Moleboy | ok...I officially have decided on Gnome... |
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| 23:21.15 | Moleboy | can you help me find the gnome version? |
| 23:21.15 | Nyle | YOU SUCK! |
| 23:21.19 | Moleboy | >.< |
| 23:21.26 | Nyle | cd 1 _is_ default gnome desktop |
| 23:21.28 | Moleboy | Sorry o.o I'm just used to gnome |
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| 23:21.30 | Moleboy | ok |
| 23:21.33 | jdrake | k, merci |
| 23:21.40 | Moleboy | [ ] debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso 17-Feb-2008 13:03 644M |
| 23:21.40 | Nyle | np |
| 23:21.41 | JordiGH | Moleboy: I applaud Gnome: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 23:21.55 | Moleboy | I've used gnome before |
| 23:21.57 | Moleboy | I likez it |
| 23:22.15 | Moleboy | hey |
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| 23:22.20 | Moleboy | why are there like tons of iso's? |
| 23:22.30 | JordiGH | Yeah, Gnome is nice. Sometimes I wish it were a bit more configgable, but not as much as KDE. And I wish KDE would stop trying to look like Windows; Windows's design sucks. :-( |
| 23:22.46 | JordiGH | Moleboy: Debian is big. It's very big. If it's free software worth having, it's almost surely already in Debian. |
| 23:22.49 | Moleboy | KDE is too window's looking for me |
| 23:22.51 | Nyle | kde doesn't try to be like windows |
| 23:22.56 | Nyle | its fully configurable |
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| 23:23.05 | Moleboy | Mmk...so I have to download all 21 of the ISO's? |
| 23:23.08 | Nyle | http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/kde.jpg |
| 23:23.26 | Moleboy | Damn, you gotta be kidding me |
| 23:23.37 | JordiGH | Nyle: Some design choices that really aren't configgable, like how you have to hit "apply" or "OK" in KDE for settings to take effect, are Windows-like and suck. |
| 23:23.45 | Moleboy | adios y'all. |
| 23:23.47 | JordiGH | Moleboy: No, you download the first ISO. |
| 23:23.49 | JordiGH | Fuck. |
| 23:23.55 | JordiGH | Poor chap. |
| 23:23.58 | Nyle | http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/desk.jpg |
| 23:24.01 | Nyle | sorry wrong file name |
| 23:24.04 | Nyle | see thats kde |
| 23:24.06 | jdrake | Can etch be upgraded to 5.0b2 without upgrading the kernel itself? |
| 23:24.09 | Nyle | it doesn't look like widnows that much |
| 23:25.28 | JordiGH | Damn, Nyle, you're stoned? |
| 23:25.32 | JordiGH | I never knew. |
| 23:25.35 | Nyle | i am? |
| 23:25.41 | Nyle | I haven't smoked in months |
| 23:25.58 | Nyle | JordiGH, /whois Nyle |
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| 23:28.17 | JordiGH | Nyle: It doesn't look bad. But I still think the dialogues and the overall look of KDE is too Windowish. I like the simpler dialogues of Gnome. |
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| 23:28.25 | Nyle | hm |
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| 23:28.31 | Nyle | I hate gnome/gtk2 dialog design |
| 23:28.37 | Nyle | especially for file open/save |
| 23:28.39 | Nyle | fucking horrible |
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| 23:29.17 | slxix | then get rid of dialog. :) |
| 23:29.22 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:29.37 | magentar | is the network selection applet for gnome panel known from ubuntu available for debian too? what's the name of the package? |
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| 23:30.05 | Nyle | ask ubuntu what it is called |
| 23:30.08 | JordiGH | magentar: network-manager, installed in the base desktop tasksel. |
| 23:30.09 | magentar | ok |
| 23:30.09 | Nyle | and then see if debian has it |
| 23:30.15 | magentar | ah thx |
| 23:30.20 | ameyer | must resist the urge to make a joke about Nyle's mom related to the line where Nyle said how he felt about the gnome/gtk2 dialog design |
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| 23:30.30 | JordiGH | magellanino: And yes, it's there: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 23:30.55 | Nyle | this kid must have a deathwish... |
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| 23:37.12 | jelly-home | !info network-manager-gnome etch |
| 23:37.26 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It's there. My mom uses it |
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| 23:37.39 | dpkg | network-manager-gnome: (network management framework (GNOME frontend)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-6 (etch), Packaged size: 364 kB, Installed size: 1676 kB |
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| 23:38.29 | jelly-home | suppresses the urge to make a dumb joke |
| 23:39.00 | Ergo^ | ha, after some struggle i managed to bring network online on the second pc, now how do i install everything that got installed onto my lenny that had connection during install, all the gnome network appllet and other packages ? |
| 23:39.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: About my mom? |
| 23:40.06 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah |
| 23:40.15 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Go right ahead: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/mommy-dearest-small.jpg |
| 23:40.31 | jelly-home | it's all over now |
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| 23:46.43 | prahal | hi I have an issue with cdbs . How can I make an unstripped version of an executable (I attempt to create an unstripped gdb because it segfault) ? |
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| 23:47.21 | prahal | I tried adding a gdb-dbg to the control file though it only creates an empty gdb-dbg file (except for documentation) |
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| 23:49.16 | jelly-home | prahal: try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org if noone answers? |
| 23:49.52 | prahal | thanks . I ll try right now as I hav quite an expensive connection :-( |
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| 23:52.09 | JordiGH | The mentors have a channel? I didn't know that. Nice. |
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| 23:52.56 | ice63 | jelly-home: can you tell me the best why to change the resolution in x for lenny ? |
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| 23:53.50 | jelly-home | ice63: xrandr didn't work? |
| 23:54.29 | ice63 | jelly-home: do i need to install it ? |
| 23:55.13 | ice63 | jelly-home: or is it in x |
| 23:56.51 | ice63 | jelly-home: how do i use xrandr |
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| 23:57.09 | jelly-home | ice63: it's in um... x11-xserver-utils |
| 23:57.25 | jelly-home | ice63: you should have that if you installed "xorg" |
| 23:57.26 | ice63 | k |
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