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| 00:14.28 | varney | hi i am looking for a lightweight gui for vnc to install on debian dedicated server, anyone have suggestions? |
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| 00:17.38 | pickcoder | varney: client? |
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| 00:18.30 | varney | eh, i was just suggested fluxbox, is it the lightest? |
| 00:18.43 | pickcoder | for what.. a vnc client? |
| 00:19.11 | varney | eh, yes i need a x-server client or whatever it is called, so i can then use vnc to connect to the server |
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| 00:20.23 | varney | something like fluxbox i have in mind, fluxbox would do, but if an even lighter one exist then pleas suggest |
| 00:20.23 | jelly-home | varney: do you want to connect TO the server using vnc, or do you want to connect FROM the server to some other machine using vnc? |
| 00:20.29 | pickcoder | !info xtightvncviewer |
| 00:20.56 | dpkg | xtightvncviewer: (virtual network computing client software for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.3.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 00:20.59 | varney | jelly-home: i can't imagine the latter ever happening |
| 00:21.25 | jelly-home | oh, sounds like you just want a window manager and already know about vnc |
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| 00:21.36 | jelly-home | fluxbox is lightweight enough |
| 00:21.40 | varney | yep, i know vnc, i just need some window manager |
| 00:21.43 | varney | k |
| 00:21.55 | varney | i just found fluxbox to be a bit buggy b4 |
| 00:21.58 | varney | and darn slow |
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| 00:22.49 | landet | no real functional bugs in fluxbox and how could it be slow? |
| 00:22.59 | Bushmills | there are far lighter windows managers than fluxbox. fluxbox is about 1.3 megabytes. some are 50 kbyte or smaller. |
| 00:23.26 | varney | Bushmills: like what, for example? |
| 00:23.44 | jelly-home | varney: dunno, there is a lot of wm-s. apt-cache search x-window-manager. :-| |
| 00:23.46 | Cripps | likes openbox |
| 00:23.52 | landet | fluxbox has 6072 bytes resident and 49844 virtual |
| 00:23.57 | Bushmills | varney: looking ... wmii is about 150 lb. ion about 60 or so .. |
| 00:24.07 | jelly-home | landet: kilobytes. |
| 00:24.17 | landet | no bytes |
| 00:24.23 | landet | do top then M |
| 00:24.32 | jelly-home | 6072 RES? unlikely. |
| 00:25.09 | Bushmills | just a few weeks ago i compared sizes. ion is not the smallest, but can't name any smaller one right now. |
| 00:25.10 | jelly-home | landet: you can't even fit libX11 in 50k! |
| 00:25.24 | ameyer | that'd just be fluxbox itself |
| 00:25.28 | landet | i'm just telling you what top M tells me |
| 00:25.34 | pickcoder | top shows kb if there's no letter after it |
| 00:25.47 | pickcoder | that's 6M if that's the data in RES |
| 00:25.50 | Bushmills | landet: faktor 1024 bigger ... |
| 00:26.11 | Bushmills | though i looked at size of executable now. |
| 00:26.12 | jelly-home | but anyway, 6M is not much |
| 00:26.15 | ameyer | and, for what it's worth, I've gotten x and fluxbox in about 28 MB of RAM on a competing linux distro |
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| 00:26.32 | ameyer | you know, the orange-colored competing distro |
| 00:26.37 | jelly-home | ameyer: competing for what? |
| 00:26.44 | ameyer | users? |
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| 00:26.48 | jelly-home | they have different goals. |
| 00:27.29 | ameyer | holy crap, a local technology radio show was just saying Vista is MS's best OS ever |
| 00:27.44 | Bushmills | varney: but in fact, you don't need a window manager at all. start vnc client with geometry to fill the screen, or option fullscreen. |
| 00:28.17 | ameyer | if Vista is so great, why is it that everybody wants anything but Vista |
| 00:28.33 | pickcoder | ameyer: who cares.. |
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| 00:28.45 | jelly-home | ameyer: if you care #debian-offtopic is over there --> |
| 00:29.27 | ameyer | I just found that incredibly stupid |
| 00:29.51 | ameyer | probably should turn off the radio since the Cubs finished losing about an hour and a half ago |
| 00:30.18 | mavhc | because people are too stupid to accept change |
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| 00:30.40 | pickcoder | mavhc: it's way beyond that, but this isn't the channel for that sort of discussion |
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| 00:31.57 | varney | Bushmills: i did that, but it wasn't until i installed fluxbox for example, before i could actually 'do' anything so i don't know what you mean |
| 00:32.05 | ameyer | I thought it had more to do with Vista's excessively large memory and disk footprint |
| 00:32.24 | ameyer | but that isn't exactly on-topic, so I'll shut up |
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| 00:34.58 | pickcoder | landet: if you want a true memory usage gauge look at pmap for the process |
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| 00:35.12 | varney | blackbox looks good, does it use less ram than fluxbox? |
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| 00:35.37 | Bushmills | varney: for moving, resizing, organizing windows you do want a window manager. for using just one app, like a vnc client, and have everything happen in there, a window manager is not strictly needed. |
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| 00:36.04 | ameyer | isn't fluxbox a fork of an old version of blackbox |
| 00:36.44 | ameyer | suspects blackbox would use less RAM than fluxbox |
| 00:37.03 | jelly-home | ratpoison will likely use even less :-) |
| 00:37.04 | landet | pickcoder - so top is all the pmap K added up? |
| 00:37.24 | pickcoder | it depends |
| 00:37.38 | Bushmills | blackbox is about a third to a fourth of fluxbox size |
| 00:37.56 | varney | Bushmills: i'm not sure i follow you yet about window manager |
| 00:38.08 | pickcoder | pmap -d <pid> will show you the overall mapped memory, private usage for the binary itself, and the shared total |
| 00:38.17 | varney | surely vnc relies on a window manager to actually function |
| 00:38.28 | pickcoder | in the case of clamd ( which I'm looking at ) is using 57M in top |
| 00:38.30 | Bushmills | varney: is the question of window contents or window decorations. window manager does decoration. X client does contents |
| 00:38.45 | pickcoder | the complete footprint with shared libs is ~64M |
| 00:38.56 | pickcoder | the private usage is ~58.5M |
| 00:39.00 | varney | yeah, see now - i need an x client then |
| 00:39.03 | jelly-home | varney: vnc is a basically an X server. You can run X apps in it even without a window manager |
| 00:39.07 | pickcoder | so top is understating the usage |
| 00:39.07 | near | directfb :] |
| 00:39.20 | varney | so how do i install *just* an x-client? |
| 00:39.28 | varney | or x-server i should say |
| 00:39.34 | Bushmills | varney: a vnc client is an X client. (actually, so is a window manager) |
| 00:39.39 | varney | or maybe i am just not making sense at all |
| 00:39.50 | jelly-home | varney: what do you want to do? |
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| 00:40.47 | varney | jelly-home: well, let's say i install vnc server on the server, then vnc client on my win box at home. now i am almost certain i tried this b4 and when i tried to connect to the server, it just displayed a grey screen with 'nothing' on it |
| 00:41.03 | jelly-home | varney: that's correct and expected. |
| 00:41.13 | varney | but when i installed fluxbox and tried again, it showed something |
| 00:41.20 | jelly-home | varney: right. |
| 00:41.22 | landet | definetly looks like top is understating the usage indeed |
| 00:41.25 | varney | so what am i missing |
| 00:41.28 | varney | ? |
| 00:41.42 | jelly-home | varney: a window manager |
| 00:41.46 | varney | lol |
| 00:41.58 | varney | Bushmills: see what i mean... |
| 00:42.07 | jelly-home | varney: to manage windows inside vnc |
| 00:42.16 | varney | ah |
| 00:42.31 | varney | 's Penny drops |
| 00:43.04 | jelly-home | varney: if you want to run a single one-windowed app inside vnc, you might as well do it without a wm |
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| 00:43.27 | varney | well see, that's exactly my problem |
| 00:43.36 | varney | if i see only a grey screen i don't know what else to do |
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| 00:45.17 | jelly-home | varney: ssh to your server and run "env DISPLAY=:1 your_app &", where :1 is the same display you started your Xvnc with |
| 00:45.48 | mortenmj | hi. i need to set chmod a-x on a bunch of files, in a bunch of directories. how can i do this, without using a wildcard that would set a-x on the folders as well? |
| 00:47.09 | Bushmills | mortenmj: in combination with the find command ( find -type f ... ) |
| 00:47.13 | jelly-home | varney: for example, if you have xterm installed on the server, you can start it like that. |
| 00:47.23 | mortenmj | Bushmills: oh, right...that would work |
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| 00:48.00 | varney | k thanks jelly-home |
| 00:48.07 | varney | bit advanced but i will try |
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| 00:50.02 | varney | dammit iptables blocks vncserver doesn't it? |
| 00:50.14 | varney | what port does it even use... |
| 00:50.37 | jelly-home | 5900 + display number |
| 00:50.52 | jelly-home | varney: or just use a window manager |
| 00:51.03 | varney | i can't connect vnc |
| 00:51.13 | varney | it said timed out, refused, etc |
| 00:51.30 | varney | so iptables allow dest 5900 should do the trick... |
| 00:51.32 | jelly-home | can you do a "telnet your-server 5900" (or 5901, etc)? |
| 00:52.02 | varney | yes, in ssh on the server |
| 00:52.09 | varney | 5901 |
| 00:52.32 | jelly-home | not on the server; on the machine your vnc client is installed |
| 00:53.01 | varney | i don't have telnet installed on windows |
| 00:53.05 | varney | it's nlited |
| 00:53.07 | varney | :) |
| 00:53.13 | jelly-home | it's what? |
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| 00:53.24 | varney | nliteos.com |
| 00:53.55 | jelly-home | your own fault for removing useful debug tools from the machine |
| 00:53.57 | varney | or 'eN-LITEned' as i like to say |
| 00:54.21 | varney | is that 5901 UDP? |
| 00:54.26 | jelly-home | tcp |
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| 00:54.59 | jelly-home | also, to make things even more confusing, if you have ssh access enabled, you can tunnel vnc through that so you don't have to open additional ports |
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| 00:55.46 | jelly-home | varney: using putty? |
| 00:55.49 | varney | yeah, i remember trying that b4 |
| 00:55.53 | varney | yep, putty |
| 00:56.02 | varney | dammit still not connecting |
| 00:56.03 | varney | wtf |
| 00:56.26 | mortenmj | Bushmills: thanks. that was a lot more efficient than doing it manually on 12000 files |
| 00:56.43 | Bushmills | yeah, you bet |
| 00:57.24 | jelly-home | varney: if you have a saved session; load it, then in Connection -> SSH -> Tunnels; type in source port: 5901; destination: localhost:5901; make sure "local" is select; click Add |
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| 00:59.12 | varney | k thanks jelly-home |
| 00:59.14 | jelly-home | varney: save your session again, then connect. Now, after the ssh connection is established, you should be able to use the windows vnc client to connect to :1 on _localhost_ (not the remote server!), and putty will tunnel the data to the other side's :5901 |
| 00:59.33 | varney | i got it working, in vnc i made dumb mistake, didn't enter ip:1 |
| 00:59.38 | varney | i just put ip, lol |
| 00:59.49 | jelly-home | oh. it defaults to :0 |
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| 01:00.30 | jelly-home | Hope you have a secure network. I don't think vnc is an encrypter protocol. |
| 01:01.01 | jelly-home | encrypted* |
| 01:01.59 | varney | it isn't, but i don't have anything real important on the server anyway |
| 01:02.12 | varney | now to figure out how to get a program running in blackbox... |
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| 01:02.37 | varney | all i can see is xterm, restart, and exit |
| 01:03.01 | jelly-home | open an xterm and run commands in it, I guess :-) |
| 01:03.24 | varney | lol i clicked on xterm and nothing happened |
| 01:03.31 | varney | this is what happend in fluxbox also |
| 01:03.35 | jelly-home | is it installed? |
| 01:03.39 | varney | no reosponse for most things |
| 01:03.54 | varney | yeah, i see workspace 1, at bottom, and greyish bg |
| 01:04.04 | jelly-home | is _xterm_ installed? |
| 01:04.14 | varney | ha, i just realised u meant that |
| 01:04.20 | varney | probably isn't, never used it b4 |
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| 01:04.57 | JohnnyL | how do I install my network? i have a marvell yukon. |
| 01:05.23 | varney | lol now ye're talking |
| 01:05.30 | JohnnyL | also, how do I retract the size of my windows partition so that I may add debian to that machine as well? |
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| 01:08.28 | varney | thanks a lot to everyone |
| 01:08.36 | varney | sterling support as always |
| 01:08.39 | varney | :) |
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| 01:09.08 | landet | JohnnyL why not get a nice big new disk ? |
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| 01:13.57 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: I _think_ the installer can do that. Backup your data first. |
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| 01:14.47 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: in case it can't, gparted livecd can be used to shrink ntfs partitions |
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| 01:18.46 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: it handles NTFS partitons? |
| 01:18.50 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: it handles NTFS partitions? |
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| 01:20.34 | landet | there is a dos program called fips which works on vfat to shrink them - i'll see if it can on ntfs partitions also |
| 01:21.07 | varney | any idea why i can't copy-paste from windows into vnc window? i used to be able to do it when using kde |
| 01:21.14 | varney | (on the server) |
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| 01:22.12 | Lagbolt | hey, been looking around for this but solution to this. with hibernate my machine saves the miage then doesnt power off using s2disk, if i edit file and force the "echo -n "disk" >/sys/power/state" it does. With s2disk i have to physically power it down and when i turn back on resumes fine. any ideas? |
| 01:22.38 | landet | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
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| 01:23.05 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: it does. |
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| 01:24.06 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: ok thanks |
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| 01:27.18 | robbe | hello, what package contains 'startx' ? xserver-xorg is installed but apparently .... :-) |
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| 01:27.50 | JohnnyL | yeah my x doesn't start up either, it just has a moveable cursor against a black screen. how to fix? |
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| 01:28.20 | landet | you need to load a window manager |
| 01:28.36 | landet | you x is indeed starting ! |
| 01:28.43 | JohnnyL | landet, i should at least get a menu from eight or left clicks, no? |
| 01:28.51 | TbbW | anyone know how to allow an user to use "nice" without root access ? |
| 01:28.56 | JohnnyL | rather eight=right |
| 01:28.56 | JohnnyL | lol |
| 01:29.05 | TbbW | i just get permission denied |
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| 01:30.25 | robbe | ah, I think I found it, xinit was not installed apparently :-) |
| 01:30.29 | landet | you just want to see the current niceness? sudo nice |
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| 01:33.08 | TbbW | landet: is it possible without the "sudo" ? |
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| 01:33.52 | landet | evidently not as the user you are trying to use it as |
| 01:34.07 | landet | log in as root and try it |
| 01:34.34 | TbbW | yeh well i wanted to know if it's possible to use "nice" without root |
| 01:34.53 | TbbW | as in if i can allow one user on my box to use the "nice" without using sudo or su |
| 01:35.27 | slxix | what prevents them from running nice? |
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| 01:35.50 | TbbW | slxix: "Permission denied" |
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| 01:36.43 | slxix | what is the command line? |
| 01:36.57 | landet | tvbbw you could change the execute prmissions of nice ... but don't - use sudo |
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| 01:37.59 | arrenlex | TbbW: Users are forbidden from setting niceness lower than 0 for safety reasons. If you need to, sudo is the correct solution. Can you tell us why sudo is not satisfactory? |
| 01:38.24 | TbbW | with bash scripts sudo needs password |
| 01:38.41 | arrenlex | TbbW: You can let sudo run that particular command without a password if you need to. |
| 01:38.45 | landet | for a good reason as arrenlex says |
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| 01:39.35 | arrenlex | TbbW: her is a quote from my sudoers file (my username is em): em ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: /sbin/fdisk -l, /usr/bin/setkeycodes, /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 01:40.01 | arrenlex | TbbW: here*. This arrangement allows me to run only those commands (with only those parameters) without typing a password. Is this what you're looking for? |
| 01:41.00 | TbbW | hmm... yeah guess i'll need to edit my script |
| 01:41.13 | TbbW | thanks arrenlex |
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| 01:45.18 | Ergo^ | hey guys, i was installing lenny on a pc where no network was detected |
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| 01:45.39 | Ergo^ | i managed to make the wifi to work later, but system was missing stuff like network applet etc |
| 01:45.51 | Ergo^ | ive readded it by synaptic later |
| 01:46.20 | varney | why can't i copy-past text from windows into vnc? |
| 01:46.46 | Ergo^ | but the applet doesnt start on system load etc. is there any easy clean way i can configure my system like the other one that was installed with network and updated inself from mirrors during install ? |
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| 01:56.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 01:56.06 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
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| 01:58.13 | Carutsu | Question: do debian change the packages heavily from the upstream? I'm trying to pick a new distro (i'm using kubuntu right now) |
| 01:59.25 | liable | Carutsu: generally not at all |
| 01:59.44 | Carutsu | liable: good that's what I'm running from |
| 01:59.57 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 02:00.00 | liable | Carutsu: unless theres issues that upstream havent fixed or something |
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| 02:01.12 | Carutsu | liable: I'm not a noob at all, actually i think I might find my way yet I'm not a guru, so just to be in the safe side, which flavor should I pick, unstable? |
| 02:01.47 | Mundus | *hiss* |
| 02:02.05 | liable | Carutsu: depends entirely on your package management skills. we certainly dont encourage it here, but its up to you. |
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| 02:02.43 | netdaemon | i run unstable myself, but i do advice against it, especially if you have to ask :P |
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| 02:03.20 | arrenlex | Carutsu: The ubuntu packages are derived heavily from the debian packages. There's a chance that, if you're having problems there, you'll have problems here. Out of curiosity, what problems did you run into? |
| 02:03.38 | ftp3 | is there a quick way to delete all the files in a directory that were created on a certain date? (ie: Jan 10, 2008) |
| 02:04.04 | Carutsu | arrenlex: a stupid bug in which if you unplug a USB device you cannot mount it again until you restart |
| 02:04.08 | jelly-home | Carutsu: [flavor] start with stable. |
| 02:04.08 | blameless | ftp3: find, xargs, and rm |
| 02:04.39 | arrenlex | Carutsu: You've had stable and unstable now, so I'm going to make it even worse and strongly recommend testing. :D |
| 02:04.50 | Carutsu | lol |
| 02:05.16 | Carutsu | jelly-home: in your opinion, doesn't stable lags to far away? |
| 02:05.21 | Carutsu | *too |
| 02:05.32 | jelly-home | Carutsu: too far away from what? |
| 02:05.32 | Carutsu | just out of curiosity |
| 02:05.34 | arrenlex | Carutsu: It's IMHO the perfect balance between bleeding edge and rock solid... chances are, if it got into testing, it runs and runs well; and it's not the version from 1995 either. |
| 02:06.23 | Carutsu | jelly-home: like you need package 1.5 for foo but you only have 1.3 or something, |
| 02:06.39 | arrenlex | Carutsu: This is generally how the packages work: unstable contains the hot new versions of everything. After it's been in unstable for a week, and no one has reported critical bugs against it, they migrate it into testing. |
| 02:07.00 | jelly-home | Carutsu: if it's a common app, chances are you'll find a newer one in the backports.org repo |
| 02:07.01 | Carutsu | arrenlex: testing? i thought it was stable-unstable-testing! I was talking about testing all the time |
| 02:07.12 | arrenlex | Carutsu: Once every x years, where x is usually close to 5, they freeze testing and call it stable. Stable recieves only bugfixes. No new versions. So if you pick stable, you're going to be stuck with your system for years. |
| 02:07.19 | jelly-home | arrenlex: s/5/3/ |
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| 02:07.57 | jelly-home | arrenlex: stable + bpo is good enough for all server and lots of desktop usage |
| 02:07.59 | Carutsu | hmm, testing sounds far reasonable to me, I might be just a kamikaze :P |
| 02:09.15 | jelly-home | Carutsu: start with stable. If you can't live without newer versions of everything, consider testing. |
| 02:09.58 | jelly-home | Carutsu: if you only need a single newer app, use backports.org or backport it yourself. there are procedures to do that. |
| 02:10.58 | Carutsu | hm, if stable can compile KDE4.1 (which I'm working on) then I can use it, otherwise it's not what I nee |
| 02:11.00 | Carutsu | *need |
| 02:11.08 | jelly-home | !kde4 |
| 02:11.09 | dpkg | kde 4 is, like, a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
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| 02:12.39 | Carutsu | jelly-home: err i know, the point is I'm working in (that is coding) KOffice2.0 which needs KDE4.x |
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| 02:12.54 | JohnnyL | where my debian /usr/src/linux? my small cd install didn't seem to have it. kernel.org only seems to have a patch file. |
| 02:13.21 | infinitycircuit | Carutsu: the point is that you query on that in #debian-kde :). i believe you need at least lenny...it has the newer dev libraries |
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| 02:13.28 | jelly-home | Carutsu: if you're a kde developer, you might want to hand out with the debian-kde guys; they might have experimental repositories for kde4 that are not ready yet for general public. You will probably be expected to run testing or unstable in that case, yes. |
| 02:13.32 | azurite | kernel.org has patch files and full source |
| 02:13.36 | liable | JohnnyL: you have to install the kernel sources. |
| 02:13.52 | Carutsu | infinitycircuit: oh! didn't get the point then! |
| 02:13.53 | liable | JohnnyL: if you need to compile a module, kernel-headers should do |
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| 02:14.11 | Carutsu | jelly-home: thanks for the info and links! I'll ask there! |
| 02:14.12 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 02:15.01 | JohnnyL | arrenlex, i'm trying to compile my network drivers on a debian installation that has no gcc ( or no /usr/src/linux) |
| 02:15.03 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: kernel.org has the full packages under "F", look to the right of the main link |
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| 02:15.07 | jelly-home | Carutsu: that alioth web site for kde will likely be useful to find contacts in case everyone in #debian-kde is asleep at the moment |
| 02:15.10 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: apt-get install build-essential too |
| 02:15.19 | JohnnyL | i'm afraid i don't see where the /usr/src/linux is at kernel.org |
| 02:15.21 | arrenlex | er, too as in also, that's not part of the command |
| 02:15.28 | JohnnyL | arrenlex ok |
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| 02:15.56 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: kernel.org has the kernel sources, which you would extract to /usr/src/linux to build. If you're just trying to compile a module, the headers are probably enough. |
| 02:15.58 | JohnnyL | arrenlex under F?!?! |
| 02:16.05 | ecntrk | Hi there everybody... |
| 02:16.10 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.25.9 2008-06-24 21:19 UTC F V VI C Changelog |
| 02:16.15 | JohnnyL | oh |
| 02:16.17 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: F, the first letter after the timestamp. It's a link |
| 02:16.31 | JohnnyL | ok kool |
| 02:16.31 | netdaemon | is there anyway to get a non skimpy xorg.conf using debian methods :P? |
| 02:16.43 | infinitycircuit | netdaemon: xorgcfg i believe will do that |
| 02:17.31 | liable | dont use xorgcfg |
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| 02:17.45 | netdaemon | liable: what do you recomend? |
| 02:17.46 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: and if you have third-party drivers, you probably need linux-headers-$(uname -r) and not linux-source |
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| 02:18.26 | liable | netdaemon: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 02:18.42 | JohnnyL | jelly-home what's that mean? |
| 02:18.46 | JohnnyL | where can i get that? |
| 02:18.51 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: install it |
| 02:19.22 | JohnnyL | apt-get linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:19.23 | netdaemon | reason i'm asking is because X starts fine, but i get an OSD from my monitor stating "Input Not Supported" |
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| 02:19.28 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:19.32 | JohnnyL | not easy when your network card drivers are not installed. |
| 02:20.16 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: then do "uname -r" in the shell, and find the package on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 02:20.34 | JohnnyL | jelly-home ok |
| 02:21.01 | JohnnyL | thanks guys |
| 02:21.25 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: Out of curiosity, what card is this? |
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| 02:21.34 | JohnnyL | marvell yukon |
| 02:21.40 | JohnnyL | on-the-motherboard |
| 02:21.43 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: What distro are you running? |
| 02:21.51 | JohnnyL | debian straight |
| 02:22.05 | JohnnyL | 4.0 me thinks . :) |
| 02:22.22 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: It's supported by the foss sky2 module which is part of the kernel, and has been for several years now. It should be supported. |
| 02:22.22 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: it might work with a newer kernel. |
| 02:22.36 | jelly-home | newer pciid. |
| 02:22.40 | arrenlex | JohnnyL: What happens if you run s modprobe -vv sky2 |
| 02:22.48 | infinitycircuit | JohnnyL: that works with 4.0 on my box...you can try a backported kernel though |
| 02:22.50 | arrenlex | Er, as root |
| 02:22.53 | TbbW | arrenlex: it still asks me for password each time it runs even doh i added it to sudoers |
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| 02:23.11 | JohnnyL | arrenlex not sure, i'll have to reboot to try. |
| 02:23.38 | JohnnyL | bbiab |
| 02:23.40 | Kewll | !help |
| 02:24.03 | TbbW | DOH! nm... suld have changed ur username XD |
| 02:24.42 | arrenlex | TbbW: lol, "where is the any key?!" |
| 02:24.54 | Nyle | jelly-home, weren't you supposed to be in bed? |
| 02:25.00 | jelly-home | I was. |
| 02:25.24 | Nyle | then what happend? |
| 02:25.26 | Nyle | you get up? |
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| 02:25.36 | jelly-home | I'm going! |
| 02:25.41 | Nyle | where? |
| 02:25.56 | jelly-home | to bed, MOM |
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| 02:28.15 | netdaemon | interesting indeed! |
| 02:28.35 | netdaemon | i don't understand how i can get a "Input Not Supported" OSD when X starts properly :P |
| 02:29.46 | arrenlex | netdaemon: How does the image look? Distortions? |
| 02:30.02 | netdaemon | arrenlex: kind of |
| 02:30.15 | netdaemon | its all legible though |
| 02:30.29 | arrenlex | netdaemon: -vvvv How does the image look? Distortions? |
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| 02:31.31 | arrenlex | netdaemon: -v means be verbose, -vv means be even more verbose. What distortions exactly are you seeing? Fuzzy? Skewed? Gone pixels? |
| 02:31.58 | netdaemon | arrenlex: more fuzzy than usual |
| 02:32.22 | netdaemon | its like a 20/20 visioned person putting on a weak pair of perscription glasses |
| 02:32.24 | arrenlex | netdaemon: What does "xrandr | grep \*" say? |
| 02:32.31 | arrenlex | Without quotes |
| 02:33.06 | netdaemon | what package is xrandr in? |
| 02:33.16 | netdaemon | heh, terminal fonts look even worse |
| 02:33.42 | netdaemon | nm i found it |
| 02:33.53 | netdaemon | ahhhh |
| 02:33.55 | netdaemon | that would do it |
| 02:34.05 | arrenlex | netdaemon: em@sam:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 02:34.05 | arrenlex | x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 02:34.11 | arrenlex | netdaemon: Should be installed by default. |
| 02:34.21 | netdaemon | its trying to push 1400x1050, my monitor only supports 1280x1024 |
| 02:34.32 | netdaemon | arrenlex: not on my systems, i don't install the xorg metapackage |
| 02:34.45 | netdaemon | i install the video driver, xauth, xinit, and xfonts-base |
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| 02:35.32 | netdaemon | i don't like this bulletproof X thing they are trying now :P |
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| 02:36.59 | netdaemon | much better |
| 02:37.04 | netdaemon | thanks arrenlex |
| 02:37.17 | netdaemon | apparently its not reading the monitor's modes right |
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| 02:41.24 | wd | how can i get fluxbox's workspaces to change with the mouse wheel? |
| 02:41.41 | wd | also the alt -f*? |
| 02:42.17 | netdaemon | wd, that should be default |
| 02:42.28 | wd | netdaemon: rats.. it's not |
| 02:42.33 | n0lif3R | hmm |
| 02:42.36 | wd | netdaemon: well not for me |
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| 02:42.46 | netdaemon | wd, ~/.fluxbox/keys |
| 02:43.09 | netdaemon | should be OnDesktop Mouse4 :NextWorkspace |
| 02:43.09 | wd | netdaemon: i have it and it shows |
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| 02:43.57 | netdaemon | and the next should be Mouse5 :PrevWorkspace |
| 02:43.58 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 02:44.03 | netdaemon | your mousewheel work elsewhere? |
| 02:44.10 | wd | netdaemon: yep all there |
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| 02:44.59 | wd | netdaemon: when i open apps they're not even showing up in the task |
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| 02:45.24 | netdaemon | something's not right =\ |
| 02:46.02 | dragonheart | any tips on getting locales working? i've got the error 'wwsympa[11912]: Failed to setlocale( es_ES) ; you either have a problem with the catalogue .mo files or you should extend available locales in your /etc/locale.gen' - i've used dpkg-reconfigure locales to select es_ES, run locale-gen and restarted apache and sympa. Where else should i be looking? |
| 02:46.30 | wd | netdaemon: this is not common for me, this is my fourth install on same box and my laptops have sarge and each equipment has flux and none work |
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| 02:47.27 | wd | netdaemon: alt "Mod1" f1 through f4... nada.. is it a sarge thing :+ |
| 02:47.47 | netdaemon | it may be, because mine works as expected =\ |
| 02:47.56 | wd | netdaemon: etch? |
| 02:47.57 | netdaemon | have you checked bug reports? |
| 02:47.59 | netdaemon | sid |
| 02:48.56 | wd | netdaemon: haven't checked.. i'm trying to give deb a try but it seems i don't have this problem with my other distro. |
| 02:49.52 | wd | netdaemon: i'll check bug reports.. any particular place? |
| 02:50.02 | netdaemon | why are you attempting to install old stable anyways? :) |
| 02:50.09 | netdaemon | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=175339 |
| 02:51.24 | wd | netdaemon: thanks..well i have two laptops.. very old.. apple powerbook 1400 "oldworld" booting with mklinux.. and toshiba satellite 400.. it seems debian is only distro for thesee old books. |
| 02:51.38 | netdaemon | wd, etch may work better |
| 02:52.41 | wd | netdaemon: my desktop will take etch it's modern but i want to run sarge so i can experiment with apps and get familiar before porting over to laps |
| 02:54.23 | wd | netdaemon: this is really something i don't see too much of a loss in speed from gentoo.. damn it! all that compiling for what? |
| 02:54.49 | netdaemon | 1 ms ;) |
| 02:54.56 | netdaemon | !gentoo |
| 02:54.57 | dpkg | from memory, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 02:55.42 | dragonheart | nm - stupid spaces not being stripped from a config llist |
| 02:56.16 | dragonheart | gentoobies - thats cute |
| 02:56.48 | Nyle | amphi, you think the carpet pissers did this? |
| 02:57.02 | netdaemon | dragonheart, i thought so too, heh |
| 02:57.05 | arrenlex | wd: Life is too short to run gentoo. |
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| 02:57.23 | amphi | Nyle: no doubt about it .) |
| 02:57.36 | wd | oh guys.. come on give me a break |
| 02:57.38 | wd | :) |
| 02:57.46 | wd | it is fast |
| 02:57.48 | wd | :) |
| 02:57.53 | amphi | Nyle: htf did you know I was awake, and demented? |
| 02:58.15 | wd | but i'm seeing debian is pretty quick. damn it |
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| 02:59.01 | dragonheart | the fast thing of gentoo is more a myth. btw you probably won't be picked on as much in #gentoo |
| 02:59.15 | netdaemon | wd, could it be that you have bad memory in those systems? |
| 02:59.40 | rm_you | is there a way to set a default PIN for a specific bluetooth device? (my bluetooth headphones work great, but i get a popup every 10 seconds or so asking me to authenticate with them) |
| 02:59.47 | Nyle | I'm psychic |
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| 03:00.31 | rm_you | not sure where I should be asking... is there a bluez or a2dp channel? >_> |
| 03:01.28 | Nyle | !gentoosmite wd |
| 03:01.28 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling wd, and when it's all done, wd runs 0.1% faster than previously |
| 03:01.37 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:02.01 | wd | netdaemon: no. but i installed firefox from backports and the mouse wheel don't even scroll .. omg. |
| 03:02.26 | netdaemon | wd, you are missing something in your xorg.conf then |
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| 03:02.41 | wd | netdaemon: oh i tried etch but it was installing 2.6 kernel and udev and all type of stuff that |
| 03:02.53 | wd | netdaemon: XFree86 |
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| 03:03.09 | wd | netdaemon: would like xorg but had problems installing |
| 03:03.32 | netdaemon | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 03:03.33 | wd | netdaemon: i know xfree sucks.. man i want xorg |
| 03:03.37 | netdaemon | in your mouse section |
| 03:04.30 | wd | yes |
| 03:05.32 | wd | netdaemon: i had it commented so i just uncommented it .. it was uncommented earlier but still had problem.. do i have to reboot or just exit X and log in? |
| 03:06.03 | netdaemon | exit X and log in |
| 03:06.08 | netdaemon | should be all it takes |
| 03:06.34 | wd | netdaemon: ok.. btw i tried xorg but wouldn't play well in sarge. |
| 03:06.41 | wd | brb |
| 03:06.42 | netdaemon | heh |
| 03:06.50 | netdaemon | not a screen user i suppose |
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| 03:08.39 | wd | netdaemon: aaagh |
| 03:08.41 | wd | netdaemon: nope |
| 03:08.48 | netdaemon | i'm at a loss then =\ |
| 03:09.16 | wd | ok, i'm gonna have to use one workspace again.. that's why i gave up 3 times... lol |
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| 03:13.11 | Tracy_P | Finally got the right sequence of firmware and drivers for this DWL-600+ wireless card on 2.6.18-6-486. |
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| 03:14.04 | Tracy_P | Now, without X, since I'm really limited on ram (on 48meg) How can I configure the card to see routers? |
| 03:14.45 | netdaemon | wireless-tools |
| 03:15.07 | Tracy_P | I have those installed. I don't know how to use them. You got a quick url? |
| 03:15.21 | netdaemon | man iwconfig man iwlist =) |
| 03:15.57 | liable | arr |
| 03:16.32 | Kornholijo | arrarr |
| 03:16.54 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:17.04 | Kornholijo | `,,` |
| 03:17.10 | a-atwood | wd: I have an old Toshi lap running Slack 7.1. I think somehting of that vintage would be more appropriate. Mine is maxed out at 40 MB of RAM, too |
| 03:18.02 | a-atwood | wd: but I run Deb etch on my servers, and testing on all my desktops and newer laptops. |
| 03:18.09 | wd | a-atwood: alright.. :) slack huh.. i was told tto use woody but i chanced sarge. |
| 03:18.44 | liable | why use sarge even? |
| 03:18.52 | Kornholijo | why not use fbsd :(? |
| 03:19.13 | netdaemon | need tp for my bunghole! |
| 03:19.15 | wd | a-atwood: i run gentoo as my main box and myh fileserver.. but deb on the laptops.. i just can't grab these many run level thing.. damn it. lol |
| 03:19.27 | a-atwood | wd: I've had better luck with slack trimming it to the bare bones for small machines than any other full distro. Never got around to trying DSL or the other small distros |
| 03:19.40 | netdaemon | eh |
| 03:19.48 | netdaemon | i have no problem keeping debian trim |
| 03:19.57 | kornholijo | netdaemon: how big is it ;)? |
| 03:19.59 | netdaemon | grab the netinstall, don't install a desktop environment when prompted |
| 03:20.06 | wd | a-atwood: i don't know sarge is pulling through for me |
| 03:20.12 | wols_ | with 40MB RAM you need a custom debian installer kernel |
| 03:20.22 | wd | a-atwood: yeah what netdaemon said.. don't do desktop |
| 03:20.24 | kornholijo | use freebsd!, eh! |
| 03:20.35 | netdaemon | only using 1.1 gig of my root partition |
| 03:20.37 | ameyer | jeez, 40 mb of ram? |
| 03:20.45 | wd | wols_: i just used netinstall |
| 03:20.47 | kornholijo | ameyer: got.a.problen? |
| 03:20.53 | kornholijo | m*, :( |
| 03:21.09 | a-atwood | wd: it's not the disk space. I'm still running a 2.2 kernel and screen. I only load X if I MUST view graphics |
| 03:21.14 | ameyer | that'd just be older hardware |
| 03:21.24 | kornholijo | who needs graphics? |
| 03:21.27 | kornholijo | pff. |
| 03:21.40 | wd | kornholijo: freebsd. i couldn't get it to see my pcmcia. |
| 03:21.41 | netdaemon | yeah, just do without a monitor period! |
| 03:21.46 | a-atwood | kornholijo: precisely. I bet I haven't run startx on it in a year |
| 03:21.50 | ameyer | unless you're trying to see how low your specs can go and still install debian |
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| 03:22.27 | wd | a-atwood: i want xorg but it's not pulling through for me with sarge. |
| 03:22.31 | kornholijo | wd: hmm, never used pcmcia, what laptop? |
| 03:22.33 | ameyer | like the people who installed XP on a pentium underclocked to 20 MHz with like 20 MB of RAM or something |
| 03:22.52 | kornholijo | o_o |
| 03:22.56 | wd | kornholijo: toshiba satellite 400cs and apple powerbook 1400c |
| 03:23.51 | kornholijo | hmm, looked through dmesg? |
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| 03:24.07 | netdaemon | i need to find something to eat |
| 03:24.21 | kornholijo | wd: maybe pccardd wasn't running, who knows? |
| 03:24.45 | wd | kornholijo: i have to use 16bit cards.. orinoco silver |
| 03:25.05 | wd | kornholijo: debian finds it with no pb. |
| 03:25.15 | wd | kornholijo: freebsd heh |
| 03:25.17 | kornholijo | what fbsd version? |
| 03:25.29 | kornholijo | 5.x? |
| 03:25.52 | wd | kornholijo: i wish i could.. but debian seem to be recomd for older equipment.. i'm impressed. |
| 03:26.00 | wd | kornholijo: 5, 6.2, 7 |
| 03:26.00 | kornholijo | =) |
| 03:26.24 | kornholijo | it supports 16bit pcmcia from 4.x, but never tried pcmcia on fbsd.. still debian owns =P |
| 03:26.33 | wd | kornholijo: however.. "i'm gonna get roasted for this".. i use gentoo as main.. ouch |
| 03:26.54 | wd | kornholijo: yea |
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| 03:27.20 | kornholijo | wd: currently, ("uber-bash comming") i'm on winxp. |
| 03:27.22 | lfs | Does Debian have latexdraw? |
| 03:27.23 | wd | kornholijo: i'm trying to be a deb user... i have books i made to read. |
| 03:27.31 | wd | lol |
| 03:27.37 | kornholijo | who needs books :(? |
| 03:27.40 | kornholijo | has a few good friends. man, info, /usr/doc, tlpd & google. |
| 03:28.38 | wd | kornholijo: umm us deb newbies.. i'm coming from gentoo and this several runlevel thing is poking me. |
| 03:28.42 | wd | :) |
| 03:28.56 | wd | kornholijo: i now know to use rc2.d |
| 03:29.05 | extor | I have a kernel 2.6.18-6-686 and when I did an "apt-get upgrade -s" it said it wanted to update my kernel to linux-image-2.6.18-6-686. Does this mean it wants to patch the kernel, to fix an or something? |
| 03:29.05 | wd | kornholijo: why the others? |
| 03:29.07 | netdaemon | haha |
| 03:29.11 | kornholijo | well |
| 03:29.16 | lfs | apt-cache search brings no latexdraw but I see that there is such a package |
| 03:29.34 | kornholijo | lfs: apt-get update? wrong repos? |
| 03:29.53 | lfs | Well How to find out? |
| 03:30.09 | kornholijo | wd: you can make them do something else, etc, never looked into them deeply |
| 03:30.13 | lfs | I am using lenny on amd64 |
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| 03:30.43 | kornholijo | wd: 2-5 is multiuser, but you can make different one run gui, etc |
| 03:30.56 | netdaemon | anyone know of good command line cd rippers with cddb support? |
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| 03:31.04 | kornholijo | no. |
| 03:31.09 | DogBoy | abcde |
| 03:31.26 | wd | kornholijo: you sound like a "once upon a time" fhsd user |
| 03:31.32 | DogBoy | it's setup by default for ogg though |
| 03:31.37 | kornholijo | wd: lol |
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| 03:33.08 | netdaemon | DogBoy, fine with me, thats my primary codec |
| 03:33.09 | kornholijo | pccard_enable="YES" |
| 03:33.10 | netdaemon | :P |
| 03:33.12 | kornholijo | ops |
| 03:33.30 | lfs | apt-get install texlive-pstricks |
| 03:33.30 | lfs | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 03:33.49 | DogBoy | netdaemon, that's cool |
| 03:33.50 | kornholijo | is brb |
| 03:33.54 | lfs | How to get around that one? |
| 03:34.00 | wd | kornholijo: when i was searching for distro fbsd struck me and this is my hero... http://toya.net.pl/~vermaden/links.htm |
| 03:34.03 | wd | lol |
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| 03:34.32 | wd | kornholijo: this one actually http://toya.net.pl/~vermaden/gfx/vermaden-2007.04.06.jpg |
| 03:35.15 | lfs | Is there anybody here that can help me with this? |
| 03:35.16 | wd | kornholijo: but i'm loyal.. i figured if debian can resurrect my old two laptops when others "spit on me"... well i'll try to change it on my main box as well.lol |
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| 03:36.11 | stew | lfs: have you tried running "aptitude -f install"? |
| 03:36.59 | lfs | no should I? What does that do? |
| 03:37.27 | stew | lfs: -f mean "fix" |
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| 03:38.03 | stew | lfs: oh, you are using apt-get not aptitude, but it did recommend you run "apt-get -f install" which should basically do the same thing. did you do this? |
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| 03:38.24 | stew | lfs: in general aptitude is better than apt-get at resolving dependencies though, which is why in general it is recommended over apt-get |
| 03:39.29 | lfs | Should I use aptitude here? apt-get -f install wants to do a whole bunch of things. |
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| 03:40.47 | wd | kornholijo: nice huh. |
| 03:41.30 | kornholijo | wd: want here, ill look onto them |
| 03:42.10 | wd | kornholijo: if i could debian to look like that ... omg |
| 03:42.24 | lfs | I think aptitude -f install wants to do a whole bunch of different things |
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| 03:43.14 | kornholijo | wd: ofcourse you can ;) |
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| 03:43.18 | kornholijo | fluxbox > * too |
| 03:43.48 | wols_ | lfs: we can't comment unless we know what it wants to do. usually it's a good thing what it suggests |
| 03:43.49 | stew | lfs: show us what they want to do ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:43.51 | netdaemon | eh, i prefer openbox actually :P |
| 03:44.01 | wd | kornholijo: i see he's running flux. so am i .. love it.. see his mpd controls .. he's awesome. |
| 03:44.08 | wd | netdaemon: :) |
| 03:44.16 | lfs | I hit the enter button on aptitude -f install |
| 03:44.29 | kornholijo | netdaemon: why not flux ;o(? |
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| 03:44.58 | lfs | I did an upgrade to lenny from etch recentlyl |
| 03:45.01 | netdaemon | kornholijo, openbox feels a little more polished imo |
| 03:45.06 | kornholijo | eh? |
| 03:45.19 | kornholijo | anything that fits your needs ;) |
| 03:45.20 | netdaemon | though the xml config files do piss me off a bit :P |
| 03:45.30 | netdaemon | hates xml for config files |
| 03:46.04 | Baloo | netdaemon: Yeah, that's a kind of brain damage that could have died a happy death on MacOS |
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| 03:46.31 | netdaemon | heh |
| 03:46.49 | netdaemon | so much typing to do simple things |
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| 03:46.57 | netdaemon | i only give it props for being stupid easy to read |
| 03:46.58 | kornholijo | =[ |
| 03:47.21 | netdaemon | i am using flux at the moment though |
| 03:47.26 | netdaemon | i'm in love with bora_black |
| 03:47.48 | kornholijo | =P |
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| 03:50.20 | kornholijo | is killing kde + gnome `,,` |
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| 03:50.54 | netdaemon | heh |
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| 03:51.03 | netdaemon | i can use pcmanfm if i want automounting and a file manager |
| 03:51.05 | netdaemon | its quite nice |
| 03:51.09 | kornholijo | yep |
| 03:51.28 | DogBoy | I can't run latest firefox on etch without 2.10 gtk+ |
| 03:51.30 | netdaemon | would like a nice lightweight webkit browser |
| 03:51.33 | netdaemon | gtk prefered |
| 03:51.45 | kornholijo | why webkit? gecko ftw :) |
| 03:51.50 | DanDare | hello, what can i use in etch to monitoring network activity? And produce logs about connections and such |
| 03:52.20 | netdaemon | lightweight, and not fat like iceweasel has gotten |
| 03:53.07 | kornholijo | true |
| 03:53.50 | miksuh | DogBoy: wait until lenny is released |
| 03:53.50 | netdaemon | i mean i got 4 gigs, but i'd rather use that for vm's |
| 03:53.50 | kornholijo | waves goodbye to gnome |
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| 03:55.01 | kornholijo | tell me a nice gui terminal.. gnome-terminal suxors :< |
| 03:55.15 | netdaemon | i though all terminals where gui |
| 03:55.16 | kornholijo | (gnome-terminal on flux?...) |
| 03:55.16 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:55.27 | netdaemon | uses rxvt-unicode but doesn't think it meets his requirements |
| 03:55.34 | netdaemon | Terminal? |
| 03:55.35 | kornholijo | rxvt! |
| 03:55.48 | netdaemon | from xfce |
| 03:55.51 | landet | gui terminal? |
| 03:56.03 | netdaemon | perhaps he means with a useless menubar? |
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| 03:56.28 | kornholijo | no, |
| 03:56.31 | wd | kornholijo: aterm |
| 03:56.44 | kornholijo | aterm is nice, |
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| 03:56.57 | netdaemon | been a long time since i'v used aterm |
| 03:57.02 | netdaemon | has it got unicode support? |
| 03:57.16 | Saz|Laptop | so guys, how well does ksplice work |
| 03:57.51 | DogBoy | miksuh, so the gtk I seek is part of lenny |
| 03:58.09 | Ragon | Hi, I recently installed Debian and I'm at the console login screen now but I keep getting this error: |
| 03:58.11 | Ragon | Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x8d on isa0060/serio0). Use 'setkeycodes e00d <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 03:58.12 | Ragon | I am unable to even type in my username or password. Does anyone have a solution? :| |
| 03:58.17 | DogBoy | I guess that makes sense cause I didn't have any trouble using firefox on lenny |
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| 03:58.38 | kornholijo | Ragon: custom keys on your keybord? |
| 03:58.47 | Ragon | No |
| 03:59.10 | miksuh | DogBoy: Lenny gas gtk+ 2.12 |
| 03:59.24 | miksuh | so yes, it can run firefox/iceweasel 3 |
| 03:59.31 | miksuh | gas=has |
| 03:59.33 | DogBoy | maybe I should just blow this off and just install lenny |
| 03:59.42 | Ragon | Just a standard keyboard, I remember I have had problems with windows. In some ancient applications, an = key will appear in the text box every second. |
| 04:00.17 | kornholijo | ragon: your keybord sends a keycode.. what model? |
| 04:00.26 | Ragon | I am assuming it's the BIOS since I tried another keyboard which doesn't work either except even an old BIOS version doesn't fix it |
| 04:00.52 | kornholijo | no idea |
| 04:01.21 | lfs | Do you use aptitude remove to get rid of a package? |
| 04:01.25 | Ragon | Does anyone know how to disable this warning? |
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| 04:02.27 | lfs | dpkg -i lists the packges? |
| 04:02.27 | dpkg | removes a kidney from lfs and replaces it with lists the packges |
| 04:02.56 | kornholijo | :D |
| 04:03.05 | Ragon | Anyone? :| |
| 04:03.07 | kornholijo | lfs, no -l |
| 04:03.15 | kornholijo | Ragon: why care about it? ;D |
| 04:03.19 | lfs | aptitude -l remove? |
| 04:03.22 | miksuh | DogBoy: on etch you can install iceweasel 2.x from etch's repository |
| 04:03.24 | Ragon | Because I can't login lol |
| 04:03.33 | DogBoy | yea I did that |
| 04:03.36 | DogBoy | it sux |
| 04:03.39 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:03.49 | miksuh | iceweasel is firefox :) |
| 04:03.59 | DogBoy | yea firefox 2.x |
| 04:04.03 | DogBoy | I know |
| 04:04.11 | DogBoy | I don't want 2.x |
| 04:04.11 | netdaemon | has iceweasel 3 =) |
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| 04:04.45 | DogBoy | pets netdaemon |
| 04:04.59 | Ragon | Surely someones gotta have a solution... |
| 04:05.20 | kornholijo | OK |
| 04:05.37 | lfs | So it is aptitude remove to remove a package? |
| 04:05.41 | Saz|Laptop | so has anyone here used ksplice? how well does it work/how easy is it |
| 04:05.44 | stew | lfs: yes |
| 04:05.51 | kornholijo | lfs: apt-get remove |
| 04:05.57 | kornholijo | apt > aptitude |
| 04:05.58 | apt | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 04:06.01 | stew | kornholijo: wrong |
| 04:06.13 | kornholijo | no. |
| 04:06.55 | lfs | I have nexuiz on this system for some reason and it is huge, I want to be rid of it. |
| 04:08.53 | lfs | does aptitude take the place of apt-cache? |
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| 04:09.09 | miksuh | lfs: why? it's good game :) |
| 04:09.24 | DogBoy | it's alright |
| 04:09.25 | lfs | Does it work with a mouse? |
| 04:09.31 | DogBoy | it's no ms pacman |
| 04:09.48 | stew | lfs: not completely. it has some methods of searching that are far better than anything that apt-cache has, but there are still some things that apt-cache is better for |
| 04:09.50 | lfs | It is too much for my system I think as the mouse is very erratic on it. |
| 04:09.55 | Vi^3PirePengy | hey all... has anyone heard of any security issues in claws-mail 3.4.0-2+b2 (lenny)? i have written the maintainer a few days ago and have not received a response back. |
| 04:10.09 | Nyle | stew, what does apt-cache do better? |
| 04:10.11 | stew | Vi^3PirePengy: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 04:10.32 | lfs | I am not a gamer anyway, i just put it on to test the system. |
| 04:10.33 | stew | Nyle: showsrc / showpkg / policy |
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| 04:10.57 | Nyle | ah right |
| 04:11.24 | stew | madison |
| 04:11.32 | kornholijo | Ragon: hmm, laptopo? |
| 04:11.39 | Nyle | madison? |
| 04:11.44 | Ragon | Yea |
| 04:11.47 | Nyle | what? |
| 04:11.52 | Ragon | But I've also tried with an external keyboard |
| 04:11.54 | stew | Nyle: apt-cache madison packagenmae |
| 04:11.57 | lfs | aptiude remove nexuiz could not remove it. |
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| 04:12.04 | stew | lfs: why not? |
| 04:12.04 | DogBoy | I need the 3.x cause it's one bigger than 2.x |
| 04:12.08 | lfs | No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
| 04:12.10 | stew | Nyle: similar to rmadison packagename |
| 04:12.10 | Vi^3PirePengy | stew: thanks i'll check that out |
| 04:12.33 | stew | lfs: is this after you have successfully run "aptitude -f install"? |
| 04:12.57 | kornholijo | Ragon: bios update no help? |
| 04:12.58 | Nyle | apt-cache´s madison command attempts to mimic the output format and a subset of the functionality of the Debian archive management tool, madison. |
| 04:13.06 | Nyle | !madison |
| 04:13.06 | dpkg | it has been said that madison is part of katie, shows which suites a binary package is in |
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| 04:13.11 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:13.19 | lfs | yes |
| 04:13.20 | Ragon | No, I have the latest |
| 04:13.32 | lfs | I cannot get rid of nexuiz-data either |
| 04:13.33 | kornholijo | what model? |
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| 04:13.58 | Ragon | Maybe I'll try downgrading to the first BIOS version available |
| 04:14.03 | Ragon | OR a very early one |
| 04:14.08 | Ragon | It'll be risky but I'll try it |
| 04:14.08 | Vi^3PirePengy | stew: thats just the site i needed! i appreciate it much! |
| 04:14.11 | lfs | How could a package be depending on nexuiz? |
| 04:14.12 | Ragon | Cya in 15 minutes |
| 04:14.22 | kornholijo | hmm, what modl? |
| 04:14.25 | kornholijo | model* |
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| 04:14.41 | kornholijo | =( |
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| 04:17.10 | lfs | I don't understand how the system can be depending on nexuiz |
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| 04:17.40 | Nyle | !rdepends nexuiz |
| 04:17.44 | Nyle | no? |
| 04:17.55 | lfs | It found a solution removing alll this stuff to remove nexuiz |
| 04:18.03 | lfs | It is like removing the whole system. |
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| 04:18.27 | Nyle | lfs, what does aptitude say about that? what possible solutions? |
| 04:19.28 | Nyle | goes to get orange soda |
| 04:19.38 | netdaemon | wonders if he has been using apt-get and aptitude in combination |
| 04:19.42 | lfs | rc nexuiz 2.2.1-1 A fas |
| 04:19.48 | lfs | THis means removed? |
| 04:19.59 | wols_ | removed but config files still present |
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| 04:20.09 | netdaemon | purge! |
| 04:20.11 | lfs | HOw to get rid of them? |
| 04:20.34 | lfs | aptitude purge nexuiz? |
| 04:20.38 | netdaemon | yup |
| 04:20.54 | netdaemon | always purges >_> |
| 04:21.38 | kornholijo | ;o |
| 04:21.54 | wols_ | lfs: the reason why so much got uninstalled was you using aptitude when you normally use apt-get |
| 04:22.17 | lfs | SO I should be consistent? |
| 04:22.21 | netdaemon | that'll be fixed in lenny |
| 04:22.36 | lfs | I can install pstricks now so I am happy |
| 04:23.00 | Nyle | you are really happy? |
| 04:23.19 | lfs | If I could install latexdraw I would be really happy. |
| 04:23.48 | Nyle | ok so intall it |
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| 04:26.05 | lfs | apt-cache search latex draw brings nothing |
| 04:26.21 | lfs | s/latex draw/latexdraw |
| 04:27.09 | Nyle | !tex |
| 04:27.09 | dpkg | methinks tex is the best typesetting system ever built or the most annoying programming language ever designed or one of the few guaranteed bug-free programs or all hail Don Knuth!, or a somewhat burly fellow with a southern accent and stylish ten-gallon hat, or ask about <latex> |
| 04:27.12 | Nyle | !latex |
| 04:27.12 | dpkg | latex is, like, (pronounced la tech) a set of macros for the TeX document formatting system. awesome, or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/LaTeX/, or read The Not-So-Short Guide to LaTeX : http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/, or http://www.tex.ac.uk/ |
| 04:27.49 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:27.53 | Nyle | sounds kinky |
| 04:27.54 | kornholijo | hmm, |
| 04:28.01 | netdaemon | i like latex |
| 04:28.04 | Nyle | what is latex used for? |
| 04:28.05 | lfs | It gives kick ass drawings |
| 04:28.09 | netdaemon | Nyle, pr0n |
| 04:28.27 | netdaemon | latex is a typesetting system |
| 04:28.37 | netdaemon | lets you focus on content, rather than styling |
| 04:28.38 | lfs | Mostly for math and science stuff |
| 04:28.53 | Nyle | so how to style? |
| 04:28.54 | netdaemon | so think wordprocessor, in your text editor of choice |
| 04:29.00 | Nyle | for bold italic underline etc? |
| 04:29.03 | netdaemon | Nyle, tags |
| 04:29.11 | lfs | formulas |
| 04:29.13 | netdaemon | then you send it through a compiler which outputs it to pdf |
| 04:29.20 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:29.26 | netdaemon | looks *very* nice |
| 04:29.27 | lfs | pstricks gives drawings |
| 04:29.28 | Nyle | so what can you do with it? |
| 04:29.40 | Nyle | can you print barcodes with it? |
| 04:29.43 | netdaemon | Nyle, magazine quality typesetting =) |
| 04:32.45 | kornholijo | AMAGADASASKsopSKoPSoKSopSKPOSSKOokSSpkopok, `,,`; what is eating my 7gbs ;< |
| 04:33.01 | wols_ | more importantly, why are you spamming? |
| 04:33.14 | kornholijo | why not? |
| 04:33.15 | Nyle | well |
| 04:33.19 | Nyle | can you or can't you? |
| 04:33.23 | Nyle | I guess you can't huh |
| 04:33.28 | netdaemon | not a clue |
| 04:33.33 | netdaemon | i'm sure there's a way though |
| 04:33.35 | wols_ | with good enough tex fu, you can |
| 04:33.57 | netdaemon | http://www.terryburton.co.uk/blog/2005/07/new-latex-package-using-barcode-writer.html |
| 04:34.00 | netdaemon | yes you can ;) |
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| 04:34.22 | lfs | How to find if latexdraw is in debian? |
| 04:34.39 | kornholijo | apt-cache search latexdraw..? |
| 04:34.47 | kornholijo | or use packages.debian.org |
| 04:34.50 | lfs | I searched the site web page and didn't find it. |
| 04:35.10 | lfs | But google debian latexdraw has many hits. |
| 04:35.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:35.15 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:35.35 | Nyle | know about any open source inventory management systems? |
| 04:35.52 | kornholijo | lfs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431905 |
| 04:35.57 | kornholijo | its being packaged. |
| 04:36.07 | Nyle | a gui app |
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| 04:37.14 | lfs | You need jre 1.5 to launch LaTeXDraw. |
| 04:37.23 | wols_ | and? |
| 04:37.38 | lfs | Is that in Debian? There was a problem with that one. |
| 04:37.43 | Nyle | wait |
| 04:37.44 | wols_ | !java |
| 04:37.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 04:37.49 | Nyle | maybe a web one would be better |
| 04:37.58 | Nyle | like an inventory cms, web based |
| 04:38.14 | Nyle | mysql or other db enabled |
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| 04:39.49 | lfs | I lost a bunch of applications getting rid of nexuiz |
| 04:40.40 | Nyle | hm |
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| 04:41.12 | Nyle | man opensource is lacking a lot of areas of business |
| 04:41.25 | Ragon | Kornholijo, it worked! :) |
| 04:41.35 | Nyle | if i could make kickass inventoroy control system it would be awesome but i can't be bothered |
| 04:41.41 | kornholijo | Ragon: yay! =) |
| 04:41.44 | Nyle | http://www.inventory-management.org/ |
| 04:41.50 | Nyle | lacking in features |
| 04:41.53 | Ragon | Thanks for your help |
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| 04:42.59 | lfs | I don't have nonfree in source.list. Does that mean I cannot get jre? |
| 04:43.25 | wols_ | pretty much |
| 04:43.50 | wols_ | at least no sun jre |
| 04:44.23 | lfs | My software updates window just hung. Should I reboot? |
| 04:44.41 | nvz | heh |
| 04:45.00 | nvz | there is but only one real reason to reboot |
| 04:45.12 | nvz | that is to run a different kernel version |
| 04:45.28 | nvz | or if you encounter a kernel panic |
| 04:45.50 | \amethyst | nvz: what about swapping hardware in a desktop machine? |
| 04:45.58 | lfs | I think I need to reboot here after all I did to this machine just now. |
| 04:46.00 | nvz | never and I mean never should a userland error be cause for a reboot |
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| 04:46.06 | \amethyst | I guess you'd probably encounter a kernel panic if you tried that :) |
| 04:46.37 | nvz | \amethyst: bah, I like to just rip out hardware while its hot :-{ |
| 04:46.40 | ameyer | not necessarily |
| 04:46.42 | nvz | erm :-P |
| 04:46.53 | \amethyst | if you think you might need to reboot, first try: init 1; init 2 to go into single-user mode and back |
| 04:47.06 | ameyer | in theory, at least PCIE is hot-swappable |
| 04:47.19 | lfs | I reboot all the time anyway. |
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| 04:47.31 | Decepticon | if my only contact with a machine is with ssh, and i want to change mac addresses, how should i write out the command with ifconfig so i can access the computer later |
| 04:47.44 | nvz | lfs: cover up, your stupidity is showing |
| 04:48.00 | Decepticon | i should become root, and issue this command: ifconfig eth0 down && macchanger -r eth0 && ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:48.05 | Decepticon | is that correct? |
| 04:48.25 | ameyer | must resist the urge to make a joking answer to Decepticon's question involving rm |
| 04:48.25 | \amethyst | Decepticon: do you get your address via DHCP? |
| 04:48.35 | Decepticon | \amethyst yes |
| 04:48.51 | ameyer | Decepticon: might want to invoke screen before running that |
| 04:48.54 | \amethyst | Decepticon: changing your MAC might make your DHCP server hand you a different lease |
| 04:49.06 | Decepticon | \amethyst that is ok, my machine is updating to freedns |
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| 04:49.25 | Decepticon | and it will come onto a hamachi ip as soon as internet as available |
| 04:49.57 | Decepticon | i just want to make sure i wont be left in the dark with no way to contact it with this procedure |
| 04:50.02 | \amethyst | Decepticon: you don't need to take down your interface |
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| 04:50.24 | \amethyst | Decepticon: just ifconfig eth0 hw ether AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF |
| 04:50.24 | ameyer | in case the network dying kills the ssh session and causes the command to not execute fully |
| 04:50.31 | kornholijo | or just nc -l -vvv -p 1234 on your machine, then append ;nc <machine ip> 1234, make sure you have netcat. |
| 04:50.34 | kornholijo | =o? |
| 04:50.41 | Decepticon | ameyer of course, i will be using screen |
| 04:51.10 | landet | \amethyst - i have to add down to your ifconfig line or have problems |
| 04:51.13 | Decepticon | \amethyst i was hoping to use maccchanger so i donmt have to enter random mac addresses on my own |
| 04:51.20 | Decepticon | as i will later be adding this command to crontab |
| 04:51.21 | Decepticon | of root |
| 04:51.29 | kornholijo | why random mac? |
| 04:51.29 | \amethyst | landet: oh? |
| 04:51.40 | \amethyst | landet: what kind of problems? |
| 04:51.50 | landet | if i don't have down - it just hangs |
| 04:51.55 | nvz | I guess you can only use things like kismet if you buy a $600 airpcap adapter? |
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| 04:52.04 | kornholijo | nvz: wrong, |
| 04:52.07 | Schroeder | everyone join #sexpenis! |
| 04:52.11 | kornholijo | kismet works with almost anything. |
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| 04:52.19 | nvz | my atheros card doesn't seem to be working |
| 04:52.22 | netdaemon | mmmm kismet |
| 04:52.25 | WormFood | kornholijo, except the psp |
| 04:52.36 | kornholijo | hence the almost ;) |
| 04:52.38 | nvz | keeps saying no airpcap adapters found when I run it |
| 04:52.57 | kornholijo | kismet isnt working with atheros?! |
| 04:53.04 | Decepticon | \amethyst do you agree with the command then? "ifconfig eth0 down && macchanger -r eth0 && ifconfig eth0 up" as root... and it is ok enough to put into root's crontab ? |
| 04:53.24 | \amethyst | Decepticon: it's dangerous |
| 04:53.26 | nvz | the software acts as though it only supports these proprietary adapters |
| 04:53.29 | \amethyst | Decepticon: what if macchanger fails? |
| 04:53.37 | Decepticon | hmm yes thats a possibility |
| 04:53.38 | \amethyst | Decepticon: in that case, you won't be bringing the interface back up |
| 04:53.39 | kornholijo | Decepticon: maybe have ; instead of && affter macchanger? |
| 04:53.42 | nvz | doesn't even start up or give the option of using anything but airpcap |
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| 04:53.50 | Decepticon | kornholijo good thinking |
| 04:53.55 | kornholijo | ;) |
| 04:54.41 | kornholijo | Decepticon: also, why a random mac? |
| 04:54.55 | landet | yea why random - |
| 04:55.24 | Decepticon | is there somethign wrong with a random mac? |
| 04:55.43 | landet | if the purpose is to just 'silently |
| 04:55.48 | kornholijo | is there wsomething wrong with a static mac? |
| 04:55.51 | \amethyst | well, if it's random, there is the possibility of colision |
| 04:55.57 | \amethyst | s/lis/llis/ |
| 04:56.16 | \amethyst | especially if it seeds the RNG with the time |
| 04:56.18 | landet | use a different mac - changing it constantly will alert 'them' that your mac is fake |
| 04:56.42 | Decepticon | landet them and they do not care, particularly, i would just like to avoid things what \amethyst is saying |
| 04:57.10 | \amethyst | Decepticon: We don't understand why you're changing the mac at all |
| 04:57.18 | kornholijo | I still don't get any reason for random mac |
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| 04:57.30 | Decepticon | well if you must know |
| 04:57.30 | kornholijo | s/any/a |
| 04:57.32 | \amethyst | for privacy, because your ISP blacklisted the old one, or what |
| 04:57.34 | landet | ditto - we aren't ganging up |
| 04:57.48 | arrenlex | kornholijo: To get girls. You go up to a chick and you say, "my computer's mac address changes every time I boot" -- they'll be all over you. |
| 04:58.07 | arrenlex | Whoops, forgot to turn off richtext, sorry about that. |
| 04:58.08 | kornholijo | arrenlex: ;) |
| 04:58.10 | netdaemon | got MAC? |
| 04:58.11 | netdaemon | haha |
| 04:58.14 | \amethyst | arrenlex: That's why nvidia started making cards that do that out of the box |
| 04:58.19 | Decepticon | im telling 'them' their blocking based on mac address is useless |
| 04:58.23 | landet | mac address changing? - darn i've just been saying i use dhcdcd |
| 04:58.27 | citruxo | someone already installed debian etch on Asus G1S? |
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| 04:58.45 | Decepticon | particularly since 'they' do not require you to register your mac addy with a identifiable piece of information |
| 04:59.17 | kornholijo | Decepticon: thats like the us checking laptops/etc for terrorist info... lol. |
| 04:59.25 | \amethyst | Decepticon: ah. My ISP will only talk with one particular MAC that's plugged into the cable modem |
| 04:59.34 | Decepticon | \amethyst yes that would have been the smart thing to do |
| 04:59.56 | \amethyst | Decepticon: so, when I change ethernet cards, I have to either call them and get put on hold for an hour; or change my MAC to the old one |
| 05:00.06 | kornholijo | and cable internet does authentication by mac o_o |
| 05:00.07 | citruxo | guys, i'm having a "no screen found" |
| 05:00.09 | \amethyst | Decepticon: I think right now I'm using a MAC from two ethernet cards ago :) |
| 05:00.16 | citruxo | connection reset and blablabla |
| 05:00.27 | citruxo | using geforce 8600m GT (for notebooks) |
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| 05:00.41 | landet | \amethyst - are you sure it isn't the mac address of the modem because only the modem can see the mac card one hop away (i have been thinking for years) |
| 05:01.01 | \amethyst | Decepticon: be aware that "informing" "them" of their security flaws by way of demonstration is often a crime |
| 05:01.17 | Decepticon | \amethyst yes im aware of this gray area |
| 05:01.38 | \amethyst | landet: I'm sure they care about the modem's MAC address, too, since you have to register 3rd-party modems |
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| 05:02.13 | \amethyst | landet: but something, probably the modem, also cares about the MAC that the modem is talking to |
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| 05:03.01 | \amethyst | s/probably/possibly/ |
| 05:03.03 | kornholijo | \amethyst: or the modem xfrs the mac to the node? |
| 05:03.08 | \amethyst | yeah, or that |
| 05:04.04 | ameyer | \amethyst: wow, makes pppoe sound sane |
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| 05:04.53 | ameyer | it may eat ~20% of my bandwidth, but it doesn't give a f**k about my MAC |
| 05:05.08 | landet | well back to the random mac guy :) why was he doing it? |
| 05:05.15 | netdaemon | pppoe eats bandwidth? |
| 05:05.33 | \amethyst | landet: to demonstrate to his ISP that blocking people based on MAC address is stupid |
| 05:05.35 | kornholijo | landet: to prove that mac blacklisting is useless withouth checking it |
| 05:05.41 | kornholijo | \amethyst: die pls. |
| 05:05.49 | Nyle | is it sunday yet? |
| 05:05.54 | ameyer | yes, it has an excessuve amount of overhead |
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| 05:05.58 | \amethyst | kornholijo: That's German for "the pls.", right? |
| 05:05.59 | \amethyst | :) |
| 05:06.02 | nvz | Nyle: in our timezone, yes |
| 05:06.04 | kornholijo | =( |
| 05:06.04 | citruxo | guys, can someone help me? =\~ |
| 05:06.16 | n-ice | Nyle: grr my debian is not going fine I feel it slow somehow |
| 05:06.23 | ameyer | takes 1536 kbps and makes it more like 1300 kbps |
| 05:06.35 | netdaemon | damn! |
| 05:06.36 | Nyle | nikro, smoke some weed |
| 05:06.40 | Nyle | that will make your system fast |
| 05:06.47 | Nyle | I guarantee it |
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| 05:06.54 | n-ice | haha |
| 05:07.01 | Nyle | not nikro |
| 05:07.02 | n-ice | Maybe was the upgrade to lenny |
| 05:07.04 | Nyle | goddamit |
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| 05:07.13 | n-ice | Something..., I am downloading lenny cd already |
| 05:07.24 | Nyle | nvz, where you at? |
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| 05:07.47 | nvz | Nyle: westover / morgantown |
| 05:07.57 | nvz | Nyle: you are still in NY no? |
| 05:08.04 | Nyle | queens |
| 05:08.22 | nvz | yeah well thats -0500 same as me |
| 05:08.24 | Nyle | got a nice lil house |
| 05:08.30 | Nyle | quiet neighbourhood |
| 05:08.35 | Nyle | away from traffic and the city |
| 05:09.41 | Nyle | you know you approach a chic you see her from behind and thats it, and then she turns around and you wish you hadn't approache dher |
| 05:09.55 | Nyle | well... I can't get rid of this chic now, and I too nice to tell someone to fuck off |
| 05:10.13 | Nyle | you know shes nice I just... shes not as attractive as I thought and then im like fuck. |
| 05:10.33 | nvz | heh, not to mention you gotta be all legal about it these days or they'll sue you for abandonment |
| 05:10.48 | nvz | personally I'm not a form over function kinda guy |
| 05:11.07 | Nyle | ehh.. |
| 05:11.17 | Nyle | eyes and a nice face |
| 05:11.23 | \amethyst | ... |
| 05:11.32 | Nyle | \amethyst, see amythest has anice face |
| 05:11.34 | Nyle | and eyes |
| 05:11.35 | Nyle | hes cute |
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| 05:11.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:11.37 | nvz | my friends say I need a woman who likes to get it in the ear, cause I like women for their mind |
| 05:11.53 | citruxo | wtf |
| 05:11.54 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 05:11.54 | amphi | °_° |
| 05:11.57 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 05:11.57 | Nyle | omg |
| 05:12.01 | Nyle | wtf was that nvz |
| 05:12.07 | Nyle | oh man priceless |
| 05:12.34 | nvz | which is why I'm single.. |
| 05:12.37 | Nyle | amphi and his cute lil irc faces |
| 05:12.38 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 05:12.51 | netdaemon | i'm quite satisfied with my woman =) |
| 05:13.02 | amphi | Nyle: cute?? wtf? |
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| 05:13.11 | Nyle | yeh man |
| 05:13.16 | amphi | prevert |
| 05:13.21 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:13.36 | Nyle | well thats besides the piont |
| 05:13.37 | Snaury | Hi everyone. How do I attach a patch with reportbug? Do I just include it as plaintext in the message? |
| 05:13.47 | Nyle | Snaury, sure |
| 05:15.54 | nvz | I just don't understand why kismet won't see my adapter when the mfg states it can be used as an AP which has to mean it can do promisc mode |
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| 05:16.43 | Nyle | Snaury, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:16.44 | nvz | unless perhaps its because I am connected with it right now to an AP and it can't switch to that mode |
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| 05:16.53 | nvz | which would be like a big DUH |
| 05:17.02 | lfs | I lost the gui |
| 05:17.03 | Nyle | Snaury, read the section titled The body of the report: Please include in your report: .... blahblah |
| 05:17.11 | lfs | and startx brings a minimal screen |
| 05:17.33 | lfs | what is command to start gnome? |
| 05:17.36 | nvz | I guess I'm not interested enough in trying kismet to disconnect right now |
| 05:17.56 | nvz | IRC is more interesting at the moment |
| 05:18.05 | kornholijo | !! |
| 05:18.05 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 05:18.11 | landet | startgnome |
| 05:18.14 | kornholijo | dpkg, :( |
| 05:18.14 | dpkg | ) |
| 05:18.34 | lfs | command nont found |
| 05:18.41 | kornholijo | dpkg, the what? |
| 05:18.42 | dpkg | kornholijo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:18.49 | lfs | shouldn't startx start gnome? |
| 05:18.56 | kornholijo | no |
| 05:18.59 | Nyle | yes |
| 05:19.05 | landet | not if startgnome isn't in ~/.xinitrc |
| 05:19.08 | Nyle | do you have something else installed? |
| 05:19.09 | kornholijo | ;) |
| 05:19.10 | arrenlex | startx should start gnome if gnome is installed. |
| 05:19.24 | kornholijo | arrenlex: what if i remove it from xinitrc? |
| 05:19.26 | kornholijo | boo. |
| 05:19.30 | lfs | I had gnome installed, but I removed nexuiz after upgrading to lenny |
| 05:19.32 | nvz | its like the how addicted am I to tabacco problem... is it worth going out tonight and paying more than twice as much or waiting until the smoker friendly is open and paying a low price and getting a two for one deal |
| 05:19.38 | lfs | and now my system is all messed up. |
| 05:19.40 | nvz | damn I can't spell tonight |
| 05:20.12 | Nyle | nvz, I bought a pack of cigs 2 weeks ago |
| 05:20.16 | nvz | I think I may have just answered my own question though on the kismet issue, just apparently don't care enough to find out |
| 05:20.17 | Nyle | I've only smoked 1 |
| 05:20.27 | Nyle | I don't even smoke, I can't remember buying the pack |
| 05:20.35 | nvz | Nyle: damn.. |
| 05:20.41 | lfs | SHould I try aptitude install gdm? |
| 05:20.48 | nvz | I haven't smoked cigs since like the 90s |
| 05:20.53 | lfs | aptitude install gnome? |
| 05:20.57 | Nyle | yes! |
| 05:21.00 | Nyle | !install gnome |
| 05:21.00 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 05:21.05 | Nyle | fuck gnome |
| 05:21.07 | nvz | I'm pretty much addicted to these little pipe-tobacco cigars though |
| 05:21.07 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 05:21.08 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 05:21.11 | Nyle | yes kde |
| 05:21.16 | Nyle | look here |
| 05:21.18 | Nyle | !kde |
| 05:21.18 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 05:21.22 | Nyle | its awesome! |
| 05:21.31 | lfs | I like gnome |
| 05:21.33 | nvz | I had a insane drunken craving for a snickers earlier.. but I'm all sobered up now |
| 05:21.38 | Nyle | ahhh you suck. :( |
| 05:21.46 | netdaemon | meh |
| 05:21.50 | netdaemon | they both suck |
| 05:21.58 | Nyle | you both suck |
| 05:21.59 | kornholijo | !flux |
| 05:21.59 | dpkg | JohnFlux is the one and only flux. |
| 05:22.02 | nvz | and I had two steak sandwiches which satisfied my hunger better |
| 05:22.09 | kornholijo | !blackbox |
| 05:22.09 | dpkg | i guess blackbox is a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at blackbox.alug.org or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the <bbtools> factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use... |
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| 05:22.14 | Nyle | I had hicken biryani |
| 05:22.17 | netdaemon | !fluxbox |
| 05:22.18 | dpkg | hmm... fluxbox is a forked off <blackbox> and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
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| 05:22.31 | kornholijo | !dpkg |
| 05:22.31 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 05:22.34 | Nyle | i like the fluxbox window tabs |
| 05:22.43 | Nyle | !tell kornholijo -about dpkg.web.search |
| 05:22.51 | Nyle | !tell kornholijo -about msg the bot |
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| 05:22.56 | nvz | I'm too stubborn to use anything other than sawfish |
| 05:23.04 | Nyle | sawfish eh |
| 05:23.14 | netdaemon | i'm debating whether to rip in flac or not |
| 05:23.16 | Nyle | how come? whats so special about it? |
| 05:23.24 | nvz | librep |
| 05:23.25 | Nyle | kde is good looking and just as configurable |
| 05:23.29 | nvz | bah |
| 05:23.34 | lfs | I guess the upgrade from etch to lenny is not so smooth. |
| 05:24.10 | lfs | Is there a problem with using both? |
| 05:24.17 | Nyle | no |
| 05:24.26 | Nyle | you should not use apt-get with aptitude mix |
| 05:24.28 | nvz | I've been using sawfish for about a decade and if I felt the need to learn anything new it would be lua and ion2 or ion3 |
| 05:24.32 | Nyle | just use aptitude |
| 05:24.38 | Nyle | you fucked up packages that way |
| 05:24.39 | lfs | I was just using aptitude |
| 05:24.45 | Nyle | you sure? |
| 05:24.54 | lfs | I only used aptitude after the upgrade |
| 05:25.03 | lfs | I think |
| 05:25.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:25.13 | nvz | I only use aptitude when I've fubared my package system |
| 05:25.15 | Nyle | why is your nickname lfs? |
| 05:25.39 | nvz | which doesn't seem to happen anymore cause I've learned better |
| 05:25.40 | lfs | That is my user name. I set that up to install lfs. |
| 05:25.56 | dpkg | blasts nyle to oblivion with a kamehameha wave, courtesy of kornholijo |
| 05:25.56 | lfs | lfs is a bitch to set up with amd64 |
| 05:26.00 | nvz | lfs is too much like work |
| 05:26.04 | kornholijo | ;o |
| 05:26.13 | Nyle | hey what |
| 05:26.15 | nvz | I use debian cause I got better things to do |
| 05:26.21 | Nyle | that wasn't very nice |
| 05:26.25 | kornholijo | :( |
| 05:26.27 | Nyle | you sneaked up and attacked |
| 05:26.31 | lfs | I am waiting for amd64 support |
| 05:26.36 | kornholijo | Amagad? |
| 05:26.49 | nvz | lfs: debian fully supports amd64 |
| 05:27.00 | lfs | lfs doesnt |
| 05:27.00 | nvz | stop wasting your time :-P |
| 05:27.04 | Nyle | i use debian cuz everything else sucks by comparison |
| 05:27.10 | Nyle | debian is pure amore! |
| 05:27.13 | kornholijo | true |
| 05:27.14 | lfs | its fun |
| 05:27.14 | nvz | indeed |
| 05:27.28 | nvz | you must have a very boring life |
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| 05:27.35 | Nyle | yeh |
| 05:27.36 | kornholijo | !say boo |
| 05:27.36 | dpkg | boo |
| 05:27.41 | rking | yes, it is a good day. |
| 05:27.55 | Snaury | never thought that submitting a bug report would be so difficult |
| 05:28.02 | Nyle | Snaury, its easy |
| 05:28.07 | Nyle | Snaury, use reportbug |
| 05:28.26 | Nyle | and you are off |
| 05:28.35 | nvz | submitting a bug is easy, dealing with the flamewars that come afterward is the difficult part |
| 05:28.36 | Nyle | haha ubuntu packages provide 'maint-guide' |
| 05:28.38 | Nyle | haha |
| 05:28.49 | rking | nvz: like wikipedia |
| 05:28.58 | Nyle | flamewars on bugreports? |
| 05:29.09 | Nyle | i haven't seem flamewars |
| 05:29.13 | nvz | I don't submit bugs that aren't controversial |
| 05:29.14 | Nyle | I've seen flames here n there |
| 05:29.29 | lfs | Germany vs. Spain tomorrow. |
| 05:29.46 | Nyle | I saw the deluge dev go apeshit on the deb package maint |
| 05:29.50 | Nyle | that was funny |
| 05:30.12 | nvz | ew.. just ran across an ad for "The Onion" with a picture of Hilary Clinton |
| 05:30.16 | nvz | god help Bill, I wouldn't f*** her with a stolen d*** |
| 05:30.23 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:30.27 | Nyle | you can say fuck |
| 05:30.28 | Nyle | and dick |
| 05:30.31 | kornholijo | fuck. |
| 05:30.34 | Nyle | why are you censoring? |
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| 05:30.46 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 05:30.49 | homecable | can any one test this for me http://joey.ath.cx/speedtest/ i need alot of people to load my server |
| 05:30.53 | rking | nvz: it's called, "age". expect it. |
| 05:31.11 | nvz | then again Monica wasn't that hot either |
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| 05:31.46 | nvz | age doesn't make everyone look like that... Stevie Nicks is still a babe |
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| 05:31.54 | Nyle | i got 8.3mb down |
| 05:31.56 | Nyle | not bad |
| 05:32.03 | homecable | :P |
| 05:32.03 | kornholijo | i got 3mb down |
| 05:32.05 | kornholijo | and 2mb up |
| 05:32.06 | kornholijo | :< |
| 05:32.17 | nvz | and she's probably done more drugs |
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| 05:32.31 | nvz | which speeds up atrophy |
| 05:32.52 | homecable | try a few more times |
| 05:32.53 | homecable | heh |
| 05:33.02 | msshams | hi, can you please tell me that have "toshiba U405-S2830" any problem with linux? i can't find any article about this model in linux-laptop.net |
| 05:33.05 | homecable | hosted on a fiberoptic line |
| 05:33.12 | homecable | my home box |
| 05:33.18 | kornholijo | fios? |
| 05:33.33 | homecable | www.cdelightband.net |
| 05:34.10 | rking | nvz: i am not saying older women can't be attractive, but it's definitely in a different way. aging is a curse we have to bear, denial is just boring. |
| 05:34.12 | kornholijo | damn. |
| 05:34.14 | lfs | What is uswsusp? |
| 05:34.21 | landet | joey.ath.cx -> 208.88.171.39 and homecable -> 208.88.171.62 |
| 05:34.38 | kornholijo | homecable: lucky. |
| 05:34.52 | lfs | It says my configuration file is not active |
| 05:35.07 | kornholijo | 01100010 01101111 01101111 00100001 |
| 05:35.08 | rking | nvz: also, plastic surgery is cheating http://www.nicksfix.com/stevie_australia_nov2005_04.jpg |
| 05:35.08 | nvz | rking: yeah well all I'm saying is Hilary Clinton is just disgusting... heh.. kinda like Micheal Jackson.. which incidentally looks a lot like an ugly white woman |
| 05:35.19 | kornholijo | -... --- --- |
| 05:35.19 | rking | nvz winz. |
| 05:35.24 | nvz | heh |
| 05:35.38 | homecable | <kornholijo> homecable: lucky. |
| 05:35.41 | homecable | lunky why |
| 05:35.45 | nvz | and to think, he did have plastic surgery to look that way |
| 05:35.51 | lfs | How to check my swap space? |
| 05:36.12 | nvz | lfs: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 05:36.32 | nvz | lfs: or run htop, gnome-system-monitor.. et al. |
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| 05:36.42 | landet | free top |
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| 05:36.51 | nvz | htop owns you |
| 05:36.58 | rking | to save you the trouble, kornholijo's morse is 'BOO' (thanks to /usr/games/morse) |
| 05:37.07 | bucky | msshams, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=811601 |
| 05:37.15 | kornholijo | homecable: i want ftth ;< |
| 05:37.32 | kornholijo | .. .-. ... ... .. .--. .-.. ..- --. .. -. ... > * |
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| 05:37.37 | lfs_ | My system is back up and running |
| 05:37.46 | rking | also kornholijo's binary is "BOO!" (thanks to irb + /usr/bin/unicode) |
| 05:38.05 | rking | "IRSSI PLUGINS" |
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| 05:38.09 | kornholijo | 01101001 01110010 01110011 01110011 01101001 00100000 01110000 01101100 01110101 01100111 01101001 01101110 01110011 00100000 00111110 00100000 00101010 00101100 00100000 01100001 01100111 01100001 01101001 01101110 00101110 |
| 05:38.20 | nvz | ugh.. |
| 05:38.37 | kornholijo | ;-) |
| 05:38.55 | kornholijo | or, perl > *? :< |
| 05:38.55 | nvz | you're more annoying than me, and thats an accomplishment. you might just be rewarded with a +b% if you keep that up :-P |
| 05:38.59 | netdaemon | damnit |
| 05:39.36 | kornholijo | nvz: o.rly? |
| 05:39.37 | lfs_ | /dev/sdb2 12159 12912 6056505 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 05:39.42 | lfs_ | Is that alright? |
| 05:40.12 | nvz | kornholijo: yep, you're bound to annoy someone eventually |
| 05:40.35 | kornholijo | thanks 8) |
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| 05:40.47 | nvz | !nickinfo nvz |
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| 05:41.01 | nvz | random curiousity |
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| 05:41.16 | rking | that last one is: IRSSI PLUGINS > *, AGAIN |
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| 05:42.00 | sarefo_home | hi, is there anything i need to do to make lenny recognize my second 1Gb ram? i had 1 and now have two, but the old number is still displayed. |
| 05:42.02 | nvz | hmm nickserv says my nick is only about 4 years old |
| 05:42.09 | wols_ | sarefo_home: uname -a |
| 05:42.26 | lfs_ | My software updates screen is still hanging. |
| 05:42.35 | sarefo_home | 2.6.22-3-486 |
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| 05:42.49 | wols_ | sarefo_home: install a kernel that is not -486 |
| 05:42.56 | wols_ | what cpu do you have? |
| 05:42.58 | nvz | sarefo_home: does your mobo even support 2gb? |
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| 05:43.24 | sarefo_home | it's some k7 iirc, i'm pretty sure it supports it. |
| 05:43.33 | wols_ | sarefo_home: then get a -686 kernel |
| 05:43.51 | wols_ | and a current one. 2.6.22 is old |
| 05:43.51 | lfs_ | aptitude update is the right command? |
| 05:43.52 | nvz | k7 is not a 686 |
| 05:43.58 | wols_ | nvz: it is |
| 05:44.00 | lfs_ | I still have problems here |
| 05:44.06 | sarefo_home | yeh, i need to do a dist-upgrade i guess |
| 05:44.11 | sarefo_home | thx so far wols_ |
| 05:44.15 | lfs_ | Don't do that |
| 05:44.19 | lfs_ | Very dangerous |
| 05:44.21 | wols_ | no you don't need a dist-upgrade |
| 05:44.27 | Baloo | nvz: Actually, yes, k7 is i686. There's no significant difference in the subarchitectures. |
| 05:44.30 | wols_ | you need to install the proper kernel |
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| 05:44.45 | wols_ | nvz: also, there is no k7 kernels |
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| 05:45.02 | nvz | thats funny cause I have a k7 kernel |
| 05:45.09 | nvz | and it won't boot on a 686 |
| 05:45.14 | wols_ | nvz: only in etch |
| 05:45.18 | lfs_ | That orange star thing says that there are 331 updates available but it hangs when I open it. |
| 05:45.37 | nvz | a k7 willl work with 686 but a 686 will not work with a k7 |
| 05:46.00 | nvz | wols_: well thats news to me ;) |
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| 05:46.12 | wols_ | nvz: better tell it to debian people doing lenny. there is no k7 kernels anymore since about a year or so now |
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| 05:46.25 | wols_ | !tell nvz about k7 dropped |
| 05:47.08 | bucky | i got linux-image-k7 on lenny |
| 05:47.12 | wols_ | ok, half a year |
| 05:47.41 | wols_ | bucky: read its description more carefully and chekc its dependencies more closely |
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| 05:48.26 | lfs_ | Running aptitude update is safe? |
| 05:48.54 | bucky | that's pretty sneaky |
| 05:49.07 | lfs_ | I always updated with that orange star thingy on this machine. |
| 05:49.32 | bucky | that orange star thingy on ubuntu? |
| 05:49.38 | lfs_ | gnome |
| 05:49.44 | infinitycircuit | update-notifier |
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| 05:50.09 | lfs_ | IT aint working properly |
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| 05:50.21 | infinitycircuit | lfs_, what is wrong with aptitude update? it is perfectly safe |
| 05:51.44 | nvz | wols_: at the bottom of that thread is a user like myself who still has k7s and points out the benchmarks between 686 and k7 kernels as well as the fact that the k7 do in fact have different instruction sets and 686 will not always boot on a k7 |
| 05:51.58 | nvz | I know for a fact a 686 cpu like a PIII will not boot with a k7 kernel |
| 05:52.09 | lfs_ | update-notifier is hanging |
| 05:52.29 | n-iCe | !Iso |
| 05:52.29 | dpkg | i guess iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 05:52.38 | msshams | hi, can you please tell me that have "toshiba U405-S2830" any problem with linux? i can't find any article about this model in linux-laptop.net |
| 05:52.46 | nvz | the multimedia extensions are completly different in AMD and Intel they were designed to be compatible but they are in fact different |
| 05:52.49 | n-iCe | !create cd image |
| 05:52.49 | dpkg | methinks create cd image is dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=2048 |
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| 05:53.00 | n-iCe | !burning |
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| 05:53.22 | n-iCe | !burn |
| 05:53.25 | CRASH69 | !create usb images |
| 05:53.28 | CRASH69 | XD |
| 05:53.36 | n-iCe | !burners |
| 05:53.38 | n-iCe | lol |
| 05:53.46 | n-iCe | does anyone knows any good iso image burner? |
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| 05:55.40 | lfs_ | lenny doesn't have update-notifier |
| 05:56.01 | kornholijo | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 05:56.06 | kornholijo | kthxbye |
| 05:56.20 | lfs_ | Why would they get rid of that one? |
| 05:56.24 | nvz | n-iCe: any of the burning software should handle that. k3b is probably one of the most popular or gnome-baker |
| 05:56.47 | rking | kornholijo: recursion will get you nowhere. |
| 05:56.53 | kornholijo | =( |
| 05:57.48 | dpkg | executes killall -TERM rking, courtesy of kornholijo |
| 05:58.03 | nvz | n-iCe: burn is a simple command line tool |
| 05:58.34 | rking | at least no -KILL |
| 05:58.43 | wols_ | !why is update-notfier not in lenny |
| 05:58.44 | dpkg | wols_: what are you talking about? |
| 05:58.44 | kornholijo | hauhau |
| 05:58.49 | rking | or -SEGV |
| 05:58.51 | wols_ | !why is update-notfier not in testing |
| 05:58.51 | dpkg | update-notfier is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=update-notfier |
| 05:59.25 | nvz | n-iCe: or if you're really savvy you can bypass all that and use wodim directly |
| 05:59.37 | nvz | which is what all those other tools use anyways |
| 05:59.52 | nvz | though I didn't know thats what we were calling it |
| 05:59.55 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 06:00.07 | nvz | wonders if wodim is cdrecord |
| 06:00.14 | nvz | !wodim |
| 06:00.14 | dpkg | i heard wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 06:00.21 | nvz | ah.. its a fork |
| 06:02.33 | lfs_ | SO I guess I don't have to worry about it hanging then. |
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| 06:03.01 | msshams | i use debian etch, and now i want to buy a 13'' laptop. can you help me to buy? xps1330 - satellite u405 - macbook - vostro 1310 |
| 06:03.25 | nvz | I guess we can blame Sun for this one too |
| 06:03.32 | nvz | !blame sun |
| 06:03.33 | dpkg | blames bvs and sun for all the evil in the world |
| 06:04.28 | Baloo | join me in my quest to extinguish the Sun. This 102° weather crap sucks. |
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| 06:05.58 | nvz | heh I was talking about Sun Microsystems CDDL but, yeah.. whatever |
| 06:06.20 | nvz | I'm more than happy to have people parading for my cause without understanding it |
| 06:06.59 | Baloo | Heh, I understand the difference, I just chose to ignore it. |
| 06:08.59 | arubin | Sun works hard on putthing themselves out of business |
| 06:09.02 | arubin | they don't need any help |
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| 06:11.06 | nvz | I don't know about them putting themselves out of business but they've thrown more forks in debian than any one company I can think of |
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| 06:15.14 | lfs_ | I lost the reboot and shut system down buttons in gnome using lenny |
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| 06:16.14 | nvz | well most of the actual sun stuff wasn't forks it was complete rewrites as their code never was free to begin with |
| 06:16.42 | nvz | but they're responsible in one way or another for a lot of time and effort misplaced in the debian development process |
| 06:17.43 | nvz | then again the wodim thing seems to be more the upstream developer's soviet coding style more than sun's fault |
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| 06:19.12 | \amethyst | it was officially about the copyright of the build system being incompatible with the copyright of the code |
| 06:19.40 | nvz | yeah thats what I mean.. his whole reinvention of the automake system |
| 06:20.01 | \amethyst | but that really seems like more of a convenient excuse |
| 06:20.19 | \amethyst | I mean, that wasn't the first problem Debian has had with JS |
| 06:20.29 | nvz | I'm sure if you're gonna work on something that complicated making your own build system that you're comfortable with is a good idea |
| 06:20.55 | nvz | but then again if you're gonna work on something that widely used you have other things to consider |
| 06:20.55 | rking | is there an easy way to redirect linux audio from here to there? (e.g., i'm hearing something on my speakers that i want to speed up (it's slowed down to be confusingly slow), and i want to speed it up, but first i must capture the audio) |
| 06:21.14 | oren | any recommendations for a text-based p2p app? |
| 06:21.20 | YeTr2 | Where can I find a list of applications I've installed on a debian system? |
| 06:21.35 | YeTr2 | packages I've specifically installed, no dependencies |
| 06:21.42 | nvz | YeTr2: dpkg -l | egrep ^.ii |
| 06:21.48 | nvz | thats a bit harder |
| 06:21.57 | nvz | i.e. impossible |
| 06:21.58 | \amethyst | YeTr2: if you've used aptitude to install them you can do it |
| 06:22.14 | YeTr2 | \amethyst: I've thinkg I've only used aptitude on that system |
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| 06:23.37 | nvz | there is an ogg video format?! |
| 06:23.39 | CRASH69 | hey guys, I am trying to make a netinstall of debian, using a usb, I am on ubuntu, after 'sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc1' (as state in http://www.debian.com/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en ), and I am getting this error: bash: /dev/sdc1: Permission denied, I need help please.... |
| 06:23.43 | \amethyst | YeTr2: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 06:24.21 | \amethyst | YeTr2: ~i stands for 'installed' and ~M for 'automatically installed' |
| 06:25.07 | \amethyst | CRASH69: the problem is that the redirection happens before sudo |
| 06:25.24 | CRASH69 | so root login? |
| 06:25.38 | \amethyst | CRASH69: you can either type the zcat > thing at a root prompt, or do sudo sh -c 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc1' |
| 06:26.14 | \amethyst | CRASH69: to have sudo run a shell as root, and do the redirection in that shell |
| 06:26.46 | CRASH69 | got it... now: gzip: boot.img.gz: No such file or directory |
| 06:26.51 | nvz | shell-fu |
| 06:27.01 | simonrvn | nvz: yes |
| 06:27.06 | \amethyst | CRASH69: does that file exist in the current directory? |
| 06:27.14 | simonrvn | ogg theora IIRC |
| 06:27.22 | nvz | simonrvn: no sleep tonight? :-P |
| 06:27.36 | simonrvn | usually up at this time ;) |
| 06:27.49 | CRASH69 | \amethyst guess not... how do I get it, sorry, not to skilled |
| 06:27.49 | nvz | yeah me too, but probably shouldn't be |
| 06:27.55 | simonrvn | same |
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| 06:28.47 | nvz | though I'm broke, can't find a job to speak of, and probably gonna be homeless by next week anyhow.. so.. fuck it |
| 06:29.09 | \amethyst | CRASH69: get it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 06:29.17 | \amethyst | CRASH69: if you want the i386 etch version, that is |
| 06:29.24 | nvz | just kinda hoping to get into this school and relocate and if not I'll probably be going to mexico... heh |
| 06:30.04 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:30.17 | nvz | never thought there'd come a day where I'd take mexico over going back to the Commonpoverty of Pennsylvania |
| 06:31.03 | DogBoy | my buddy lives in tijuana |
| 06:31.06 | CRASH69 | \amethyst thx dude, downloading |
| 06:31.08 | DogBoy | retired there |
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| 06:32.14 | nvz | but I know someone who got work making $900/wk (he's making that much anyhow) fixing slot machines in cancun forabout 6-8mo and he's old and needs someone to carry his tools and lend a hand, and I'd get paid and all expensenes paid, plus a chance to learn what he knows.. so.. |
| 06:32.44 | bucky | that would be awsome |
| 06:32.58 | nvz | his line of work is kinda complementary to my interests and something I'd probably never learn to do on my own |
| 06:33.28 | Guerin | do eet |
| 06:33.49 | zophy[] | how can i get nautilus to provide a right click menu selection that will open a terminal ? |
| 06:34.01 | Guerin | zophy[]: ask #nautilus on irc.gnome.org |
| 06:34.15 | nvz | Guerin: well I'm like 6 weeks from no longer qualifying for the job corp so if they can get me into that I'd like to give it a go.. though the mexico thing does sound like more fun |
| 06:34.15 | xingu | hands nvz a shooter of mescaline to help him acclimatise |
| 06:34.29 | nvz | haha |
| 06:35.18 | \amethyst | zophy[]: you can put a script in .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/ that does what you want |
| 06:35.23 | nvz | I have to consider the fact I have no formal education to speak of and although I know how to do tons of things its still nearly impossible for me to find work unless I start doing some formal schooling |
| 06:35.42 | \amethyst | zophy[]: then you can access it from the 'Scripts' submenu of the context menu |
| 06:35.45 | Guerin | wtf is job corp? |
| 06:35.54 | nvz | I'd much rather continue to travel around and learn things the old fashioned way.. but its just not that easy to survive in this age that way |
| 06:36.30 | nvz | Guerin: govt education for people 16-24 they pay for you to relocate and live at a dorm, and get your high school education, learn a trade, and find a job |
| 06:36.53 | Guerin | choose mexico |
| 06:36.59 | nvz | Guerin: http://jobcorps.dol.gov/ |
| 06:37.10 | xingu | sounds a bit like the army, without the sightseeing out helmland way |
| 06:37.12 | \amethyst | zophy[]: the variables are NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_{SELECTED_{FILE_PATHS,URIS},CURRENT_URI,WINDOW_GEOMETRY} |
| 06:37.16 | nvz | Guerin: yeah, well I would definately trust your advice ;) |
| 06:37.36 | nvz | Guerin: there is always other ways to get a diploma |
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| 06:37.52 | \amethyst | zophy[]: http://www.linux.com/articles/114134 might be handy |
| 06:38.17 | nvz | my main concern right now is my current lack of money to pay rent and this crap I've got.. but either of my best two ideas involves leaving this apt and selling my shit so.. |
| 06:39.15 | nvz | xingu: yeah pretty much |
| 06:39.36 | Guerin | dorm life for the lose |
| 06:39.52 | nvz | xingu: I've pondered the army or related service many times, but not while that retarded cowboy is still president |
| 06:40.05 | Guerin | i moved straight outta home into a rental after seeing what some of my friends had to put up with at university |
| 06:40.23 | bucky | i passed the GED test without studying |
| 06:40.33 | xingu | nvz: something will turn up; and just fyi, people don't look too closely at degrees if you're a self employed contractor (but that comes with a whole 'nother brainache of problems) |
| 06:40.34 | Guerin | !medal bucky |
| 06:40.34 | dpkg | gives bucky a medal for being a tough guy. |
| 06:40.37 | nvz | bucky: I can't afford to even take it |
| 06:40.55 | bucky | and smoked a joint before the test |
| 06:40.58 | nvz | bucky: back when I could I wasn't allowed cause my class hadn't graduated yet |
| 06:41.15 | nvz | I got on with my life and never thought about it again until now |
| 06:41.22 | xingu | nvz: I never went past school either (well actually I did, but I got kicked out of college) |
| 06:41.25 | nvz | cause the only jobs I can get right now kinda depend on it |
| 06:42.11 | nvz | that is other than crawling back with my tail between my legs and doing roofing for a moron who doesn't understand safety |
| 06:42.19 | bucky | go to Cancun.. learn the trade and come back and marry a native american |
| 06:42.26 | nvz | haha |
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| 06:42.53 | Guerin | bucky: does being this much of a dickhead come naturally, or did you have to work at it? |
| 06:42.57 | bucky | the seminole own hard rock cafe now.. elvis's blue suede shoes and all |
| 06:42.57 | homecable | can any one test this for me http://joey.ath.cx/speedtest/ i need alot of people to load my server |
| 06:43.13 | bucky | Guerin, i haven't been a dick head yet |
| 06:43.16 | nvz | I'm gonna need to get a passport before I can go to mexico |
| 06:43.24 | bucky | !medal Guerin |
| 06:43.25 | dpkg | gives Guerin a medal for being a tough guy. |
| 06:43.27 | nvz | I don't figure thats too hard to do though |
| 06:43.33 | Guerin | oho, monkey see, monkey do! |
| 06:43.41 | bucky | !fuck Guerin |
| 06:43.50 | bucky | ah.. you took it off |
| 06:43.52 | Guerin | bucky: your stupid is showing |
| 06:44.05 | bucky | you're still an ass hat |
| 06:44.15 | Guerin | <3:) |
| 06:44.27 | nvz | not to mention I got to wait on this guy to get his shit together. I'm gonna be going to his house in the morning to help him with that sort of thing |
| 06:44.31 | nvz | since I have nothing better to do |
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| 06:44.36 | bucky | not teaching kindergarten in some third world country anymore? |
| 06:44.45 | nvz | hah |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | never was |
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| 06:45.01 | Baloo | considers vodka shots. |
| 06:45.53 | Priit_M | how does I shot vodka? |
| 06:46.13 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 06:46.13 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 06:46.57 | Baloo | Well, if you're a bear, you break the bottle in half and drink the larger half. |
| 06:47.33 | Baloo | Humans have these little 1oz glasses to drink alcohol from. I find 'em cumbersome since they're hard to grasp with a paw. |
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| 06:47.39 | emmad | selling shells, leet box, trusted sysadmins fast as fuck PM me for details |
| 06:47.41 | Baloo | And yes, I am insane. Thanks for asking. |
| 06:47.54 | nvz | hah |
| 06:48.05 | simonrvn | emmad: how about you go away instead, spammer |
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| 06:50.11 | simonrvn | it worked o_O |
| 06:50.31 | kornholijo | lol |
| 06:50.41 | Baloo | simonrvn: I asked him if he realized that everyone on Freenode is very likely already running some form of unix, and thus already have a full environment already. He /quit instead. |
| 06:50.42 | Guerin | well, no |
| 06:51.02 | Guerin | he didn't get k-lined, so that's not an unmitigated win |
| 06:51.15 | Baloo | Heh |
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| 06:52.01 | xingu | Baloo: aah, but the other half of the features list was that it was as fast as a premature ejaculation |
| 06:52.06 | simonrvn | Baloo: seems to be a dumbass anyway =;) |
| 06:52.30 | Guerin | xingu: how fast is that? |
| 06:52.43 | xingu | Baloo: too fast :) |
| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | "fast as fuck", also implies premature ejaculation, to me |
| 06:53.01 | xingu | I mean sex is one of those things where speed is _not_ of the essence :) |
| 06:53.14 | simonrvn | o kidding hehe |
| 06:53.16 | simonrvn | no9 |
| 06:53.20 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:53.31 | Guerin | it's ok, simonrvn, we know whatchoo mean |
| 06:53.33 | simonrvn | goes to get some food |
| 06:53.56 | xingu | Guerin: we've all been there, his other hand's busy :) |
| 06:54.06 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:54.32 | Baloo | moves his OT ramblings to ##d-ot |
| 06:54.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:54.51 | simonrvn | spent ~2h in blender, typing not at its best =) |
| 06:55.13 | simonrvn | bbiab |
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| 06:55.44 | dimir | Morning |
| 06:56.22 | bsmntbombdood | selling shells, leet box, trusted sysadmins fast as fuck PM me for details |
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| 06:56.59 | Guerin | !ops bsmntbombdood |
| 06:56.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: bsmntbombdood |
| 06:57.09 | bsmntbombdood | oh no! |
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| 06:57.13 | hoxu | !ops spammer with various names, bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-112-136.hlrn.qwest.net |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: spammer with various names, bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-112-136.hlrn.qwest.net |
| 06:57.34 | Guerin | yeah, well, selling shells, it's going to be whackamole for a bit |
| 06:57.46 | hoxu | bsmntbombdood, are they cheaper than free? |
| 06:57.57 | bsmntbombdood | that was supposed to be satire |
| 06:58.10 | Guerin | bsmntbombdood: there is no satire |
| 06:58.15 | xingu | how do I get my client to do this PM thing? the nearest I seem to have is PRIVMSG |
| 06:58.24 | simonrvn | only flat ones |
| 06:58.25 | Guerin | xingu: that's not satire either |
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| 06:59.09 | Baloo | xingu: /msg <nick> <message> unless your client is wierd (read: sucks) |
| 06:59.14 | simonrvn | see the joke zip over people's heads, and wanders away |
| 06:59.28 | xingu | Guerin: that's lucky, I never trusted goats that could walk upright |
| 06:59.39 | hoxu | :free shell |
| 06:59.42 | Guerin | or bears that could type? |
| 06:59.48 | hoxu | !free shell |
| 06:59.49 | dpkg | gives away a free shell with every Debian download |
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| 07:01.52 | kornholijo | ;o |
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| 07:05.56 | xingu | wonders if the shell sings so sweetly you won't remember your troubles |
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| 07:06.08 | enouf | what is with p.d.o ? again? |
| 07:06.10 | kornholijo | teag |
| 07:06.11 | kornholijo | y |
| 07:06.29 | Jabop | Can anyone recommend me a decent mail server? |
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| 07:09.16 | enouf | gah, iotop requires (requires 2.6.20 or later) |
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| 07:13.22 | hoxu | !flw |
| 07:13.23 | dpkg | [flw4] <Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true. |
| 07:14.27 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got this vmware debian image, but now i've got eth3 and eth4, is there a way to rename/relink them to eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 07:14.41 | hoxu | !z25 |
| 07:14.41 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 07:15.08 | SpeedyG | thanks :) |
| 07:16.55 | enouf | SpeedyG: if for some reason you still have issues, and it's a macintel forecdeth based system, "/msg dpkg forcedeth mac" , or find the util ifrename, but z25 is the way to go |
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| 07:17.22 | enouf | oh duh, .. factoid mentions it |
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| 07:17.40 | enouf | !smack me |
| 07:17.40 | dpkg | smacks enouf upside the head. |
| 07:17.46 | SpeedyG | lol enouf :) |
| 07:18.46 | hoxu | !reading courses |
| 07:18.47 | dpkg | from memory, reading courses is if you have problems reading and understanding text, you can get some supplementary courses reading a debian picture book on enouf's lap |
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| 07:27.44 | rking | i think the secret to typing really fast is to not wait for the pressing finger to return all the way up... it's almost like mashing keys but you do it in sequence, kapeesh? |
| 07:28.00 | extor | apt-cache search EKG |
| 07:28.07 | rking | extor: wrong window. |
| 07:28.21 | extor | Are EKG thingies cheap enough now to the point you can monitor your own pulse and brainwaves while you sleep? |
| 07:29.08 | rking | extor: i bet so - i hung out with a friend who did sleep studies, and the hardware was: a) a bunch of disposable nodes, b) a mysterious box, c) a computer |
| 07:29.29 | rking | i know (a) and (c) are cheap, and I can't imagine (b) being any more than electronics. kapeesh? |
| 07:29.45 | extor | but the mysterious box has a unique and probably sensitive sensor |
| 07:30.04 | extor | they have nodes that measure electric impulses of the heart |
| 07:30.12 | extor | when they do an EKG you know |
| 07:30.16 | rking | extor: maybe. but how much can it cost? $10k? how much is a sleep study? $5k? |
| 07:30.24 | extor | But I wanna know if I am hitting REM sleep during the night |
| 07:30.35 | extor | does not have $10k to toss away |
| 07:30.36 | simonrvn | you most likely are.... |
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| 07:31.05 | simonrvn | if you aren't there's something seriously wrong |
| 07:31.19 | rking | extor: a simpler method would be an electrooculograph |
| 07:31.58 | extor | wonders if ebay might have some good stuff |
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| 07:32.08 | rking | sleep studies show a parallel output of maybe 10 indicators, probably 3 of which are electroencepholographs and 3 of which are obvious physical graphs (eye movement, muscle tone, heart rate) |
| 07:32.21 | rking | then there's the oxygen saturation level |
| 07:32.46 | rking | it's beautiful how simple the interpretation of the data is |
| 07:33.04 | rking | here's the deal---if you're dreaming, you're REMing |
| 07:33.33 | rking | if you wake up and are thinking, "Where am I? this is nothing like the reality i was just in!" then you were dreaming, you were REM'ing, try again next time. |
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| 07:34.12 | rking | extor: what's your goal? |
| 07:34.29 | xingu | shuts the world down for an upgrade |
| 07:34.35 | Bushmills | rking: i have seen a gadget wristwatch which was made to wake up between REM phases only - if alam time was set to coincide with the time a REM phase was expected it rang before. that watch worked by heart beat rate alone. |
| 07:34.40 | extor | rking, to figure out why I am always fatigued..I suspect sleep apnea or anxiety ridden sleep |
| 07:35.07 | extor | Bushmills, what is the pont of waking up just when your poor old body goes into REM? |
| 07:35.16 | rking | Bushmills: i'd buy it. |
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| 07:35.45 | Bushmills | extor: the theory was what you wake up more refreshed between rem phases even if total time of sleep is less |
| 07:35.55 | Bushmills | s/what/that/ |
| 07:36.11 | extor | I thought REM was essential to heal the body and mind? |
| 07:36.40 | slxix | extor: like the difference between shutdown and hibernate? ;) |
| 07:36.45 | Bushmills | rking: that watch wasn't outrageously expensive |
| 07:36.51 | xingu | extor: you probably just need to get laid |
| 07:37.18 | simonrvn | there's also differing level of rem sleep; the early ones are shallow, the late ones are deep, and they step ladder down |
| 07:37.24 | extor | I already know I need to get laid, I don't know if I JUST need to get laid, hence all the nerdy gadgetry |
| 07:37.25 | simonrvn | levels* |
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| 07:38.03 | rking | Bushmills: let me put it this way: my buddy, who did sleep studies, could take just about any one metric and tell you if it was REM or not. a smart programmer could codify his knowledge. hence, a monitor of just heart rate could, conceviably, do the same thing as a proffesional sleep study |
| 07:38.18 | Bushmills | rking: it could have been this one: http://itprolife.blogspot.com/2008/04/sleeptracker-gadget-for-sleep.html |
| 07:39.28 | extor | Ooooh yeah...heart monitors are dirt cheap...I could hook one up to a laptop somehow |
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| 07:40.10 | rking | Bushmills: the thing is it's kind of personal... one guy may have an exceptional condition that throws off 9/10 cases |
| 07:40.29 | rking | Bushmills: the best thing is to have a buddy that does sleep studies that can explain why you are normal or not. =) |
| 07:40.37 | extor | bookmarks it |
| 07:40.57 | Bushmills | i worked with somebody doing sleep studies, btw. |
| 07:41.16 | basix | i am using virtualbox. i've setup host networking. eth0 is my wired card, eth1 is wireless ( i use this one ). i created a bridge br0 with two taps tap0 and tap1. I then NATed br0 and now the guest OSes connected to the tap0 and tap1 interface are able to connect to any machine but i cant ping from one guest OS to the second guest OS. I get "destination host unreachable" in both the VMs. What could be the problem? |
| 07:41.43 | xingu | Bushmills: I'm convinced some of my colleagues are asleep too, but I'm not sure how much study is involved beyond where the next jam donut is coming from |
| 07:41.45 | Bushmills | though "working" is a bit big term for it. he didn't understand anything about networking, and i merely hooked up the equipment for him |
| 07:42.12 | slxix | basix: you didn't set up a route for them to be able to talk to each other? |
| 07:42.33 | basix | slxix, how do i do that? i'll show you my /etc/network/interfaces configuration... |
| 07:42.38 | extor | I was just reading up on insomnia and fatigue and I came across this condition related to sleep apnea where the body interrupts its own breathing and messes up deep REM sleep, the result of which is a very unrestful sleep and you end up feeling like a half alive zombie throughout most of the day |
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| 07:42.57 | basix | slxix, http://pastebin.ca/1057664 |
| 07:44.33 | slxix | show me the output of "/bin/ip route" or "/sbin/route" |
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| 07:45.13 | simonrvn | basix: ... |
| 07:45.24 | basix | err...sorry.. :( |
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| 07:46.38 | simonrvn | wrong button eh? |
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| 07:47.27 | basix | simonrvn, kinda :P |
| 07:48.13 | basix | slxix, any idea? |
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| 07:50.17 | extor | http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGITAL-CEEGRAPH-EEG-ACQUISITION-UNIT-BY-BIOLOGIC-SYSTE_W0QQitemZ270248098284QQihZ017QQcategoryZ100007QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 07:50.59 | slxix | extor: is the problem so bad that you're ebaying your computer? |
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| 07:51.39 | extor | slxix, I'm cheap |
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| 07:53.02 | cast | wols_: ended up getting port forwarding working, i believe it was a routing issue |
| 07:54.42 | path_ | anyone using e17? can't find a simple repository |
| 07:54.55 | path_ | seems it has been thrown away |
| 07:55.56 | slxix | extor: try something like "route add -host tap0IP dev tap0" for each on the gatewayish computer. |
| 07:56.02 | BaD_CrC | http://pastebin.com/d6d7cb1d <-- can someone give me a little help here please |
| 07:56.19 | extor | route? |
| 07:56.30 | Bushmills | path_: deb http://debian.alphagemini.org ... maIn |
| 07:56.49 | Bushmills | ... for your branch - not sure about etch though |
| 07:57.00 | slxix | question too vague, try again? |
| 07:57.10 | cast | path_: easy enough to compile yourself, is how i do it |
| 07:58.06 | Bushmills | path_: hmm.. is unstable only. http://debian.alphagemini.org/dists/ |
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| 07:58.56 | path_ | thanks Bushmills ! :) |
| 07:59.17 | path_ | cast, dont have enough connection to gather the whole cvs module |
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| 08:00.01 | cast | path_: ahh. since it's cvs binaries tend to be old :< |
| 08:00.26 | cast | there a firefox3 backport for amd64 yet? :( |
| 08:00.35 | path_ | cvs is just dummie btw ;) |
| 08:01.23 | cast | huh? |
| 08:01.40 | path_ | cast, I'm willing to compile it later but need to have it working right now |
| 08:02.01 | cast | ah. |
| 08:02.19 | path_ | :-P |
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| 08:02.42 | lymeca | I'm trying to Google recent debian-legal discussions about the inclusions of libavcodec (and project's which use it) being distributed in Debian's main. I can't figure it out, I would think there are loads of patent issues. |
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| 08:03.02 | lymeca | Mostly Im just coming up with MPLayer flamewars back in 2003 which aren't relenant now |
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| 08:03.32 | lymeca | Can anyone point me to an explanation (or just explain to me) which libavcodec and projects which use it are in main? |
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| 08:06.42 | slxix | http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/legal.html and read the main site, too. |
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| 08:10.52 | Coke | Are there any special packages for PyGame debugging? When I run python-dbg and try to import PyGame I get ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pygame/base.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64, how can I get around this? |
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| 08:53.41 | enouf | Coke: try the py tool(s) here? http://guichaz.free.fr/misc/ |
| 08:54.04 | S4nD3r | hi |
| 08:54.20 | Coke | enouf: wrong person |
| 08:54.23 | S4nD3r | I have a pendrive,which is not able to write... How to format it?? |
| 08:54.31 | S4nD3r | using brute force |
| 08:54.37 | enouf | [04:05:25] <Coke> Are there any special packages for PyGame debugging? When I run python-dbg and try to import PyGame I get ImportE |
| 08:55.01 | Coke | enouf: yeah, but that has nothing to do with what the packages import |
| 08:55.08 | enouf | S4nD3r: sledgehammer |
| 08:55.33 | Coke | enouf: I can rephrase; the pygame package in Debian is not linked to the correct Python libraries, that is the binary libs. |
| 08:55.34 | cusco | S4nD3r: cfdisk and mkfs - or gparted |
| 08:56.16 | slxix | buy a new one. :) |
| 08:56.49 | cusco | Coke: fill a bug report |
| 08:56.52 | Coke | enouf: or actually, I don't know, but no modules using the Py_InitModule4_64 works |
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| 08:57.16 | Coke | cusco: it's such a HUGE thing, all python modules break when using python-dbg, surely it cannot be a bug. |
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| 08:57.23 | enouf | i thought maybe a graph could show you where the link is broken .. are you mixing repos/versions? how about 32 vs 64 bit? |
| 08:57.52 | Coke | enouf: I wasn't even aware that I could choose between architectures in Debian |
| 08:57.59 | cusco | I meant to the oygame package not being linked to the correct libs |
| 08:58.12 | Coke | Afaik I only have 64-bit aside from the specific compability packages created specifically for 32-bit compability. |
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| 08:58.23 | Coke | cusco: NO Python modules work with python-dbgt |
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| 08:58.26 | enouf | well .. i don't know your working env .. might be a chroot for all i know |
| 08:58.33 | Coke | ANd I beleive it's python-dbg that is broken, not the other packages. |
| 08:58.54 | Coke | enouf: no, it's the simplest possible Debian system. |
| 08:59.13 | Coke | These days you just run your system in 64-bit and install the 32-bit compability packages if you want to. |
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| 08:59.43 | Coke | Aside from running 32-bit Windows crap in Wine, _everything_ works nicely, but this isn't a 32 vs 64 bit issue, this is probably just an oversight from the python-dbg maintainer. |
| 08:59.46 | cusco | Coke: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399332 ? |
| 09:00.12 | Coke | cusco: indeed the same problem |
| 09:00.20 | S4nD3r | mkfs.vfat -c -v /dev/sdb1 to format my stick right ? |
| 09:00.28 | cusco | looks like it is a huge issue |
| 09:00.29 | Coke | cusco: although, that guy is on a 32-bit system |
| 09:00.32 | Coke | It is. |
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| 09:00.50 | Coke | It renders python-dbg entirely useless for anybody who wants to wander outside the stdlib |
| 09:01.18 | S4nD3r | Searching for bad blocks 78432... 156624... 233568... 308832... 386016... 463456... 539232... 616288... 693856... 771040... 847712... 954336... |
| 09:01.26 | S4nD3r | Is possible to correct them ? |
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| 09:02.18 | cusco | how can a pendrive have bad bloks |
| 09:02.25 | cusco | isn't it flash memory? |
| 09:02.43 | cusco | S4nD3r: fsck |
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| 09:03.04 | maligor | pendrives could have broken controllers |
| 09:03.24 | slxix | i'm sure scanning it does wonders to it's life. :) |
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| 09:04.52 | WormFood | flash memory has a finite life (or at least a finite number of writes) |
| 09:04.56 | enouf | logical blocks? |
| 09:05.00 | WormFood | flash memory can still be worn out |
| 09:05.14 | maligor | broken controllers could also mean badly designed sort of brokeness |
| 09:05.18 | maligor | it's a big cheap market |
| 09:05.21 | WormFood | just like the old EPROMS (that erase with UV light) could wear out |
| 09:05.26 | enouf | run badblocks on the sucker, or ignore it |
| 09:05.39 | maligor | WormFood, yeah, but the controller should take care of that |
| 09:06.06 | maligor | and iirc it's only an issue on write |
| 09:06.34 | S4nD3r | cusco: in each tried to format, this shows another bad blocks |
| 09:06.40 | enouf | S4nD3r: you could use dd and overwrite it 1st with zeros too ;-) |
| 09:06.45 | S4nD3r | this pendrive wont work, right? |
| 09:06.55 | S4nD3r | how? |
| 09:07.05 | maligor | checked your dmesg btw? |
| 09:07.15 | enouf | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/name |
| 09:07.24 | maligor | it might have enlightening details on why |
| 09:07.25 | enouf | Careful!! |
| 09:07.30 | PMT_ | shouldn't he try imaging it before badblocks? |
| 09:07.36 | enouf | make SURE the /dev/name is correct S4nD3r !! |
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| 09:07.43 | PMT_ | if it's failing, he'd probably wear off some random things |
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| 09:08.42 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 09:08.46 | S4nD3r | I will try it |
| 09:09.46 | S4nD3r | dd: writing to `/dev/sdb': Input/output error |
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| 09:09.59 | enouf | ruh roh O_o |
| 09:10.35 | Xires | I'm having trouble loading http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:10.38 | Xires | is there a mirror? |
| 09:10.39 | enouf | is there some sort of security crap like physical tab like floppies have? |
| 09:11.01 | enouf | S4nD3r: dmesg | tail (as mentioned) |
| 09:11.25 | enouf | Xires: yeah. noticed it here too |
| 09:11.27 | S4nD3r | a lot of blocks failed |
| 09:11.56 | enouf | S4nD3r: remember my 1st reply? :-) |
| 09:12.04 | Xires | enouf; does dpkg(the bot) provide a way to check what package contains what? |
| 09:12.26 | enouf | yeah, kind of, what you want? |
| 09:12.30 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 09:12.39 | S4nD3r | this pendrive is bad |
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| 09:12.42 | S4nD3r | certainly |
| 09:12.45 | Xires | need to know which repo 'tree' is in..and what package 'killall' is in |
| 09:12.46 | S4nD3r | go to trash |
| 09:13.10 | enouf | Xires: psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
| 09:13.25 | S4nD3r | ill go away |
| 09:13.31 | S4nD3r | thanks for all help |
| 09:13.34 | S4nD3r | see you |
| 09:13.39 | Xires | enouf; tyvm |
| 09:13.50 | raboof | Xires: 'apt-cache search killall' might've helped |
| 09:13.56 | raboof | though tree is a bit general for that :) |
| 09:14.15 | Xires | raboof; does this work on a new installation, though? |
| 09:14.21 | raboof | (oh, llooks like that's "tree") |
| 09:14.44 | raboof | Xires: unlike 'dpkg -S', 'apt-cache search' should work for packages that aren't installed yet, yes |
| 09:14.49 | enouf | Xires: tree returns many alts |
| 09:15.06 | simonrvn | apt-cache search doesn't show package contents, apt-file does |
| 09:15.21 | enouf | psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree.x11 mtools: /usr/bin/mdeltree genisoimage: /usr/bin/mkzftree smbclient: /usr/bin/smbtree |
| 09:15.30 | Xires | raboof; tyvm |
| 09:15.46 | enouf | !tell Xires -about apt-file |
| 09:15.51 | Xires | enouf; it should be the only package named 'tree' itself |
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| 09:16.15 | enouf | apt-cache search ^tree |
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| 09:16.31 | grey_gandalf | hi all |
| 09:16.41 | raboof | simonrvn: cool, didn't know that one |
| 09:16.44 | enouf | tree - displays directory tree, in color |
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| 09:16.55 | grey_gandalf | a quick question.... how do I configure debian to take in account that my BIOS clock is localtime and not UTC? |
| 09:17.00 | Xires | enouf; that would be the one..does it display what repository? |
| 09:17.08 | Xires | e.g. main, contrib, etc.? |
| 09:17.14 | enouf | !info tree etch |
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| 09:17.40 | dpkg | tree: (displays directory tree, in color), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-2 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 09:17.55 | Xires | so I guess that means main |
| 09:18.02 | Xires | tyvm enouf & raboof |
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| 09:18.19 | enouf | Xires: i'm using unstable - pkgs such as; is it 'debian-goodies' contain things like 'rmadison' |
| 09:18.41 | enouf | so, if pdo is down, it should work, iinm |
| 09:20.11 | enouf | ahh , my bad |
| 09:20.17 | enouf | it's in; devscripts - scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier |
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| 09:22.36 | bolt | I want a simple DNS server in my network, so the machines don't have to go directly to my ISP to resolve the addesses, and so I can change which DNS server I use easily. Is it best to install bind9, or to forward a port from one of the machines to the ISP's dns server? |
| 09:22.39 | enouf | Xires: fwiw, for my 'installed' pkg searches, i use 'dlocate' .. much faster than dpkg -L or -S |
| 09:23.17 | liable | grey_gandalf: /msg dpkg utc |
| 09:23.28 | enouf | though -L is more concise/complete when you need to see all files a pkg contains |
| 09:23.32 | wols_ | bolt: neither. dnsmasq |
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| 09:24.45 | enouf | Xires: to read about many things; "/msg dpkg grounding" can help (debian-reference, etc) |
| 09:26.00 | Pupen1 | Is it possible to have more than one private DSA keys for OpenSSH? |
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| 09:27.16 | et | Pupen1: you can have as many keys as you want |
| 09:28.30 | Pupen1 | et: but when I try to generate it, it says "/home/pupeno/.ssh/id_dsa already exists. Overwrite (y/n)?", so it seems it's going to erase the previous one. |
| 09:28.51 | valdyn | Pupen1: thats just the default file destination |
| 09:28.57 | et | Enter file in which to save the key (/home/et/.ssh/id_rsa): |
| 09:29.06 | et | you should get some prompt like this |
| 09:29.14 | valdyn | Pupen1: so why dont you move the old one away or specify a different destination |
| 09:29.29 | valdyn | Pupen1: but - what's the point? |
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| 09:30.36 | valdyn | bolt: use something like 'dnsmasq' |
| 09:30.49 | Pupen1 | so, will ssh find the keys in any file in .ssh? |
| 09:31.07 | valdyn | Pupen1: no. |
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| 09:31.28 | valdyn | Pupen1: what's the point of this exercise? |
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| 09:32.22 | Pupen1 | valdyn: to make a new private key and continue to use an old one when needed. |
| 09:32.53 | valdyn | Pupen1: i cant recommend that |
| 09:33.26 | Pupen1 | valdyn: I know. |
| 09:33.27 | et | Pupen1: the ssh commands take arguments specifying the key |
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| 09:34.23 | Xires | enouf; I will keep that in mind, ty |
| 09:35.09 | bolt | valdyn: ooh. nice! |
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| 09:37.07 | valdyn | changing ids in ssh doesnt work nicely, as a security measure |
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| 09:38.19 | valdyn | that means you cant really change ids connecting to same host |
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| 09:39.18 | SparFux | Wow, there is an apt-torrent stuff thingy :-) |
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| 09:41.30 | coredu | hi |
| 09:41.35 | cast | S3 has an interesting torrent function |
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| 09:42.56 | coredu | I've a problem witha sarge, I've the / on raid software (sda1 and sdb1) and the first disk fails, I started the machine with a live distro and I can mount the sdb1 forcing the type on the mount command and I can see the content, but when it boots grub doesn't start I see just a blanking _ |
| 09:43.10 | coredu | any hint on how I've to modify grub in order to work? |
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| 09:46.02 | juanra | hi |
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| 09:47.37 | cast | coredu: surely the next thing you'd do is replace the disk and rebuild the mirror |
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| 09:51.39 | coredu | cast: but I can't book.. |
| 09:51.40 | coredu | boot |
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| 09:52.15 | coredu | why I can't boot with the mirror degraded and then add the disk tomorrow? |
| 09:52.22 | coredu | I suppose is a grub problem |
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| 09:54.36 | wols_ | is the grub menu showing? |
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| 09:56.38 | coredu | no |
| 09:56.50 | coredu | for this readon I suppose is a grub problem |
| 09:57.09 | valdyn | coredu: you installed grub on sdb1 probably, but it will still search for its stage files on sda1 |
| 09:57.12 | coredu | I think I've to install grub on the mbr |
| 09:57.17 | coredu | in fact |
| 09:57.19 | coredu | hor to solve this? |
| 09:57.26 | coredu | well |
| 09:57.27 | valdyn | coredu: the solution to that is making sdb sda, via bios |
| 09:57.34 | coredu | is already sda |
| 09:57.44 | coredu | I removed sda is broked |
| 09:57.49 | coredu | and now sdb is sda |
| 09:58.19 | valdyn | coredu: so you really didnt install grub on sdb |
| 09:58.22 | ribasushi | on iceweasel3 anywone knows how to disable this UAC insanity http://blog.ivanristic.com/2008/04/firefox-3-ssl-i.html |
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| 09:58.39 | ribasushi | is there a way to add a blanket eception or something... I work with broken ssl's all the time |
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| 09:59.07 | coredu | valdyn: how to install? |
| 09:59.19 | bleck | how do you setup a bridge (brctl) to load on boot? |
| 09:59.29 | bleck | somewhere in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:59.34 | coredu | I'm on a live ubuntu |
| 09:59.41 | valdyn | coredu: boot livecd, mount /dev/sdb1 somewhere, bind mount proc and dev inside there too, chroot to the directory, run grub-install |
| 10:00.29 | ribasushi | is aggravated |
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| 10:02.22 | Gge | Hello , where should be store a java app ? |
| 10:02.35 | Gge | in the system |
| 10:02.36 | wols_ | wherevre dpkg copies it |
| 10:02.48 | valdyn | ribasushi: this is so fucked up, like having a valid versign cert proves anything |
| 10:02.51 | bleck | also, does anyone know how to set promisc for a network card in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:03.12 | Gge | Ok but tha java script are installed by a web site ? |
| 10:03.38 | coredu | tanx valdyn |
| 10:03.42 | ribasushi | valdyn: I mean seriously wtf... all the looks are flat, the html buttons render different than 2.0, now this ssl shit |
| 10:03.43 | valdyn | ribasushi: and if i read that page correctly that guy even thinks that annoying users like that was the right thing |
| 10:03.50 | ribasushi | what the hell is wrong with them |
| 10:03.52 | enouf | coredu: you need to use mdadm and pass --fail and remove args |
| 10:03.56 | enouf | IINM |
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| 10:04.04 | valdyn | ribasushi: in thunderbird i didnt even find the place to add an exception |
| 10:04.13 | valdyn | totally fucked up |
| 10:04.18 | ribasushi | fuck. |
| 10:05.00 | enouf | Firepoop strikes again! |
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| 10:05.06 | anddam | hi |
| 10:05.11 | valdyn | now i cant log into my own servers because im signing my stuff myself, funny |
| 10:05.19 | coredu | enouf: once I can start the machine I suppose? before I need to make grub working? |
| 10:05.47 | enouf | coredu: somehow, maybe from a livecd |
| 10:05.53 | ribasushi | valdyn: well so anyway... is there really no central override? like something somewhere in the .js settings |
| 10:06.04 | anddam | I'm running lenny with 2.6.18, I just built 2.6.26 from sources, I got a bzImage but no initrd.img, should system boot fine anyway with proper bootloader config? |
| 10:06.04 | Gge | Wols_ my question is wring , I have sun java installed and a web site installs a java script app . In which directory this javascript app will be installed ? |
| 10:06.20 | ribasushi | the coders are power users themselves, they got to have a backdoor for them... unless they don't eat their own dogfood |
| 10:06.29 | valdyn | ribasushi: i really only searched about:config in thunderbird, i dont use firefox |
| 10:06.30 | liable | anddam: if you configured it properly yes. otherwise no. |
| 10:06.35 | valdyn | ribasushi: but i guess its nothing there either |
| 10:06.44 | enouf | coredu: but as others mentioned, if grub was never installed in correct locations to consider this scenario, you 'd need to install grub to proper location anyways |
| 10:06.45 | Nemoder | anddam: you might consider building with kernel-package tools |
| 10:07.02 | ribasushi | "cancel or allow" |
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| 10:07.04 | ribasushi | fuck. |
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| 10:07.21 | wols_ | Gge: javascipt is not java. your question is utterly nonsensical |
| 10:07.22 | dimedo | can anyone tell me how to get a openpgp key from a keyserver by id in stdout as ascii armored in one command? |
| 10:07.23 | enouf | anddam: make-kpkg --initrd + other options |
| 10:07.51 | enouf | anddam: oh, i see - if you configured kernel properly, yes |
| 10:07.52 | valdyn | that line of though: "no one reads warnings, so we just annoy the hell out of users", thats umm |
| 10:08.23 | coredu | I'm booting |
| 10:08.25 | coredu | in live |
| 10:08.36 | enouf | anddam: you don't need an initrd, but only under certain circumstances maybe |
| 10:08.39 | wols_ | anddam: depends how you configured your kernel |
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| 10:08.56 | nareshov | Hi, I loaded my trident chipset module and yet /dev/video0 doesn't show up |
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| 10:08.59 | coredu | tanx guys:) I need to offer you some beers |
| 10:09.03 | hyppias | which system to install on eeepc ? normal ISO wants a cdrom and floppy etc... |
| 10:09.06 | nareshov | lspci: 00:0d.0 Class ffff: Trident Microsystems Device 7110 (rev 0a) |
| 10:09.07 | ribasushi | valdyn: what do you use for a browser, I might seriously need to consider alternatives |
| 10:09.25 | wols_ | !eee |
| 10:09.25 | dpkg | i guess eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc |
| 10:09.27 | nareshov | tda8290 16388 1 tuner |
| 10:09.27 | nareshov | tda9875 13072 0 |
| 10:09.27 | nareshov | i2c_core 29824 9 tuner,tea5767,tda8290,tuner_simple,mt20xx,tea5761,tda9875,nvidia,i2c_viapro |
| 10:09.33 | wols_ | nareshov: stop that |
| 10:09.36 | nareshov | sorry |
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| 10:09.54 | ma3x | how do i turn off the fucking autocorrection of date in openoffice calc? it's so fucking annoying me right now for the 3rd day straight! nobody in #openoffice.org |
| 10:10.02 | nareshov | any clue as to why /dev/video isn't showing up? |
| 10:10.03 | valdyn | ribasushi: epiphany |
| 10:10.19 | anddam | wols_: I got .config from linux-image 2.6.24 and ran a make oldconfig |
| 10:10.20 | ribasushi | ugh... gnome |
| 10:10.26 | anddam | anyway I'm afk for a while |
| 10:10.26 | ribasushi | not my train |
| 10:10.27 | valdyn | ribasushi: same rendering engine, its neat, but gnome dependent |
| 10:10.33 | enouf | dpkg eee is also Ask me about <eeepc> |
| 10:10.33 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 10:10.35 | Braden` | Hello |
| 10:10.36 | wols_ | anddam: then it won't work wihtout initrd |
| 10:10.37 | ribasushi | oh well |
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| 10:11.15 | Braden` | Here is my apt.sources file: http://rafb.net/p/I8BXfN74.html |
| 10:11.25 | assasukasse | hello everyone, im having a problem with gdebi, when i try to install a package with gdebi it always tell me failed and stops just at "reading database" |
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| 10:11.30 | Braden` | For some reason it hasn't said there are any updates for over a month. |
| 10:11.34 | assasukasse | is there something i could reset, delete or so? |
| 10:11.36 | Braden` | I know there has to be updates |
| 10:11.39 | valdyn | ribasushi: midori is the smallest full featured browser, based on webkit, but its not yet ready i think |
| 10:11.40 | wols_ | Braden`: apt.sources does not exist |
| 10:11.50 | Braden` | sources.list I mean |
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| 10:12.38 | enouf | dpkg eee =~ s/Ask me about <eeepc>/ on irc.oftc.net/ |
| 10:12.39 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
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| 10:12.53 | coredu | weel I try to install grub on /dev/sda and it says that mdadm -D fails and stage1 fails to install |
| 10:13.19 | Braden` | Does anyone know why it won't show any updates for the last month? |
| 10:13.40 | coredu | or when I'm chroot I've use mdadm to create the device before to reinstall grub? |
| 10:13.40 | valdyn | coredu: what does grub-install have to do with mdadm -D ? |
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| 10:14.36 | valdyn | coredu: why would you? |
| 10:14.43 | badcfe | i have created an iso and want to write it to a dvd |
| 10:14.44 | valdyn | coredu: just run grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 10:14.48 | valdyn | coredu: just run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 10:14.51 | valdyn | coredu: not 1 |
| 10:15.38 | badcfe | i have created an iso and want to write it to a dvd. i try wodim -dao -ignsize dvd.iso |
| 10:15.42 | coredu | valdyn: yes but my menu.lst points to md0 |
| 10:15.51 | coredu | the boot device is on md0 that is broked |
| 10:15.52 | badcfe | i get wodim: Cannot open new session. |
| 10:15.54 | valdyn | badcfe: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
| 10:16.03 | valdyn | coredu: grub does not know raid devices |
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| 10:16.32 | liable | badcfe: use growisofs for dvd's |
| 10:16.35 | valdyn | coredu: grub uses the sda / sda1, that those devices are incidentally part of a raid that your kernel / mdadm will set up later is irrelevant |
| 10:16.40 | liable | valdyn: it does, mine is set to md0 |
| 10:16.40 | badcfe | valdyn: its on lenny i forgot to specify. i use /dev/dvd or /dev/dvd-rw ? |
| 10:16.54 | defrysk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:17.05 | liable | for root device |
| 10:17.12 | coredu | liable: mine too |
| 10:17.14 | enouf | badcfe: install dvd+tw-tools pkg |
| 10:17.16 | badcfe | i have /dev/dvdrw1 |
| 10:17.20 | valdyn | badcfe: its probably 2 links pointing to the same hardware |
| 10:17.42 | valdyn | badcfe: and /dev/dvdrw1 pointing to a 2nd dvd drive |
| 10:17.46 | valdyn | badcfe: use whatever you want... |
| 10:18.03 | badcfe | installs dvd+rw-tools |
| 10:18.07 | valdyn | liable: what is set to md0? |
| 10:18.07 | enouf | badcfe: wodim takes a "dev=/dev/hda" option if you still want to try and no, multisession support is very nill |
| 10:18.32 | liable | valdyn: root=/dev/md0 |
| 10:18.46 | valdyn | liable: what does that part have to do with grub? |
| 10:19.06 | valdyn | liable: its a random option to your kernel that grub does not need to care about? |
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| 10:20.21 | liable | valdyn: i guess your right. i havent followed the entire conversation, only noticed you saying that grub doesnt talk to raid devices. |
| 10:20.34 | valdyn | liable: yea, it doesnt |
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| 10:20.58 | valdyn | liable: only only passes those characters to the kernel which knows what to do with them |
| 10:21.02 | Braden` | Here is my sources.list file: http://rafb.net/p/I8BXfN74.html, For the past month it has shown no updates. Why won't it show any updates because surely there have been some? |
| 10:21.30 | wols_ | Braden`: what does apt-get update say? |
| 10:21.37 | wols_ | how old is your securits packages file? |
| 10:21.50 | Braden` | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:22.05 | valdyn | Braden`: probably no updates for the packages you have installed |
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| 10:22.19 | Braden` | security packages file? |
| 10:22.19 | enouf | Someone needs to merge the power of wodim libburn cdfs and maybe even odman ;-) |
| 10:22.35 | coredu | valdyn: I' try grub-install /dev/sda and it says mdadm: cann't open md0 |
| 10:23.05 | valdyn | Braden`: like 12 fixes in the last month |
| 10:23.12 | valdyn | coredu: uh wth |
| 10:23.25 | Braden` | valdyn: How do I check? |
| 10:23.53 | valdyn | coredu: and "mdadm -D /dev/sda1" does not work? |
| 10:24.05 | valdyn | Braden`: www.debian.org |
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| 10:25.14 | wols_ | Braden`: apt-get update doesn't say 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:25.47 | ecadre | hi |
| 10:25.55 | wols_ | Braden`: and you check not debian.org but security.debian.org |
| 10:26.04 | Braden` | apt-get update runs just fine |
| 10:26.07 | ecadre | I'm using Debian testing I'm picking up some odd missing dependencies on aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 10:26.16 | ecadre | ^and I'm |
| 10:26.24 | Braden` | it has Ign in front of the lines |
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| 10:26.42 | Braden` | Example: Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex |
| 10:26.43 | wols_ | Braden`: full output |
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| 10:26.47 | ecadre | if other people are getting the same then I'll just wait for it to rectify itself |
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| 10:28.08 | coredu | valdyn: no I think 'cause ubuntu live doens't has raid software modules |
| 10:28.21 | valdyn | coredu: that does not matter |
| 10:28.30 | YeTr2 | so, I change the location of my swap partition. Now the machine won't boot without user interaction, because some script is still looking for the swap partition in the old location. |
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| 10:28.45 | Braden` | wols: The only verbose output it can give beyond what it normally gives is the version numbers afaik (just read the manpage) |
| 10:28.47 | valdyn | coredu: mdadm -D only needs mdadm |
| 10:29.09 | valdyn | coredu: ls -l /dev/sda1 |
| 10:29.10 | Braden` | Oh I see |
| 10:29.15 | Braden` | You want me to post it on a paste site |
| 10:29.36 | wols_ | !tell YeTr2 about errors |
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| 10:29.55 | Braden` | http://rafb.net/p/wo0RLk22.html |
| 10:30.06 | coredu | valdyn: wait I'm in another room:) |
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| 10:30.34 | coredu | valdyn: cfdisk /dev/sda says that there is a partition raid autodetect |
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| 10:30.58 | coredu | I need to mount the partition using mount /dev/sda1 /mnt -t ext3 else it doesn't recognize the type of partition |
| 10:31.17 | valdyn | coredu: that is ok |
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| 10:31.42 | valdyn | coredu: the mdadm -D is run from inside the chroot? |
| 10:31.53 | coredu | yes but it fails |
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| 10:31.55 | valdyn | coredu: and ls -l /dev/sda1, same, inside the chroot |
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| 10:32.05 | valdyn | coredu: you did not give me the result of that yet |
| 10:32.11 | enouf | liable: i think a good way to look at this grub thing might be (referring to devices.map file); grub can install to only those /dev/names that it can have in it's devices.map file (/dev/md0 is a special device, as is /dev/VolGrp00 and /dev/mapper .. etc) -- though this i would only apply to grub legacy (grub1, 0.97+), since i don't know grub2 well enough |
| 10:32.44 | valdyn | grub2 knows lvm raids etc |
| 10:32.46 | enouf | maybe i'm mistaken - feel free to correct me folks .. |
| 10:32.51 | valdyn | when you dont just hit a bug, which i do always |
| 10:33.11 | enouf | valdyn: aye, ok, thought so, wasnt sure, i know it can also do emulation booting |
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| 10:33.38 | coredu | valdyn: mdadm -D /dev/sda1 (inside chroot) it seems sda1 is not a part of a md device or something like that |
| 10:33.38 | valdyn | its really neat, with drivers for all kinds of stuff |
| 10:33.45 | valdyn | but buggy |
| 10:34.02 | enouf | sure .. but some getting used to, so modular and such |
| 10:34.02 | coredu | but it was for sure |
| 10:34.15 | coredu | infact I've the same copy of the broked sda1 |
| 10:34.19 | coredu | the data are right |
| 10:34.22 | valdyn | coredu: im not so sure about that as you seem to be |
| 10:34.30 | coredu | uhm |
| 10:34.41 | valdyn | coredu: mdadm -D queries the md superblock |
| 10:34.57 | valdyn | coredu: which is simply an area on sda1 |
| 10:35.21 | coredu | valdyn: but the raid worked |
| 10:35.24 | valdyn | coredu: not like that matters alot, this being raid1 you can switch off using raid for now |
| 10:35.26 | coredu | the data are correct |
| 10:35.34 | coredu | just checked for a file created yesterday |
| 10:35.36 | coredu | and is on it |
| 10:35.37 | Nemoder | Braden`: that output looks normal, seems likely none of the packages you have installed needed updating |
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| 10:35.59 | valdyn | coredu: just dont fill the disk till the end, afaik |
| 10:36.24 | coredu | valdyn: now how can I boot using this disk? |
| 10:36.28 | valdyn | coredu: you can modify fstab to use sda1, modify grub to use sda1 |
| 10:36.53 | valdyn | coredu: and grub-install /dev/sda from the chroot |
| 10:36.57 | YeTr2 | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/jg82zx63.html |
| 10:37.05 | coredu | sayng on cfdisk that is a ext3 instead of a raid autodetect? |
| 10:37.15 | valdyn | coredu: i dont think that is needed |
| 10:37.16 | coredu | damned grub lilo was so easy:) |
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| 10:38.00 | coredu | I try change ur way, is supposed to don't loose my data on hardisk right?:) |
| 10:38.09 | valdyn | coredu: yea, right |
| 10:39.31 | YeTr2 | wols_: I'm thinking I need to rebuild the initrd, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that. |
| 10:39.48 | valdyn | YeTr2: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-<version> |
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| 10:41.07 | bleck2 | anyone know how to tell what speed ram I have in my computer from within linux? |
| 10:41.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 10:41.14 | valdyn | bleck2: dmidecoe |
| 10:41.16 | valdyn | bleck2: dmidecode |
| 10:41.30 | enouf | !myram |
| 10:41.31 | dpkg | hmm... myram is install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs |
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| 10:41.33 | coredu | valdyn: trying to install on /dev/sda says "the file /boot/grub/stage1 don't readed correctly" it still try to uses mdadm |
| 10:41.41 | coredu | but I've no reference on md on menu.lst |
| 10:41.49 | enouf | bleck2: see what dpkg just said |
| 10:41.49 | bleck2 | ooh.. don't cat /dev/mem .... |
| 10:42.02 | Ace2016 | for an encrypted raid, would you put the encrypted partition on top of the raid or would the raid go on top of the encrypted partition? |
| 10:42.02 | coredu | there is something somewhere but i dunno where |
| 10:42.07 | valdyn | coredu: i think you want to use paste sites to paset the real error |
| 10:42.14 | coredu | ok |
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| 10:42.34 | bleck2 | sweet, thanks enouf |
| 10:43.20 | YeTr2 | .. takes forever to restart this machine :( |
| 10:43.36 | bleck2 | bloody hell ram is cheap |
| 10:43.48 | bleck2 | 2gb for like $80 |
| 10:43.55 | wols_ | YeTr2: what debian version? |
| 10:44.02 | bleck2 | man I remember when 8mb cost more |
| 10:44.18 | bleck2 | ahh good old fastpage ram |
| 10:44.32 | YeTr2 | wols_: lenny |
| 10:44.50 | wols_ | YeTr2: edit your menu.lst |
| 10:45.00 | enouf | bleck2: indeed, ddr2 is dirt cheap |
| 10:46.13 | enouf | bleck2: sdram, you have to search, nice place in California i found for cheap pc100/133 (ecc and low density if needed too) |
| 10:47.01 | YeTr2 | wols_: I don't remember seeing anything about a resume partition in the menu.lst |
| 10:47.19 | YeTr2 | wols_: so what am I editing it for then? |
| 10:47.22 | wols_ | YeTr2: kernel parameter |
| 10:47.53 | Decepticon | does .... find /path/to/files -type f -name "*.txt" > output.txt #### give a full path listing to search results? |
| 10:47.55 | YeTr2 | wols_: so I'm going to explicitly set the resume partition now? |
| 10:47.55 | bleck2 | hey, could anyone recommend a paid vpn linux access hosted in the us? |
| 10:47.58 | wols_ | initrd can be remade by dpkg-reconfiguring the kernel package |
| 10:48.14 | valdyn | Decepticon: why dont you try? |
| 10:48.16 | wols_ | Decepticon: why don't you try? |
| 10:48.18 | wols_ | he |
| 10:48.19 | wols_ | h |
| 10:48.42 | wols_ | bleck2: no |
| 10:49.30 | Decepticon | i will try |
| 10:49.33 | Decepticon | well it does |
| 10:49.38 | enouf | Decepticon: cd into / , then run it |
| 10:49.49 | Decepticon | my question is, isnt find based on a databse? |
| 10:49.55 | wols_ | no |
| 10:49.59 | enouf | no |
| 10:50.04 | bleck2 | Decepticon: thats locate |
| 10:50.05 | enouf | locate is |
| 10:50.07 | wols_ | locate and whereis are |
| 10:50.08 | Decepticon | ahh okay |
| 10:50.14 | enouf | dlocate, etc |
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| 10:51.00 | YeTr2 | doing dpkgreconfigure fixed it. |
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| 10:51.13 | coredu | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/me17efb3 |
| 10:51.42 | coredu | valdyn: running grub-install /dev/sda |
| 10:51.47 | coredu | valdyn: on chroot |
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| 10:51.59 | bleck2 | anyone know how to drag windows across desktops using compiz? |
| 10:52.11 | bleck2 | and cube |
| 10:52.38 | bleck2 | at the moment, i'm just dragging it halfway off the screen, then rotating the cube and dragging the other half |
| 10:52.47 | YeTr2 | bleck2: install ccsm |
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| 10:53.10 | manju29 | hi |
| 10:53.11 | YeTr2 | bleck2: compizconfig-settings-manager |
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| 10:56.15 | bleck2 | all the ones i've tried from them stop when they hit the side of the cube |
| 10:56.25 | bleck2 | or screen area i should say. |
| 10:56.52 | bleck2 | like, if I drag an icon on the desktop, it rotates the cube automatically when i get to the screen edge, but dragging windows doesn't. |
| 10:57.16 | YeTr2 | bleck2: it's an option in one of the configuration modules in ccsm, you need to enable it. |
| 10:58.10 | valdyn | coredu: mdadm --assemble --auto /dev/md0 |
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| 11:02.01 | hyppias | I notice that debian is often a few kernel updates behind. is that not a security problem ? |
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| 11:02.22 | bleck2 | hey, if compiz kinda crashes, and I lose all my window decorations, how do i bring them back |
| 11:02.27 | valdyn | hyppias: which distro isnt a few kernel updates behind once its released for a few months? |
| 11:02.40 | bleck2 | any way other than restarting X ? |
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| 11:03.07 | maligor | hyppias, you can build your own kernels and follow security bulletins if you like |
| 11:03.09 | enouf | bleck2: you might want to join #compiz-fusion or something |
| 11:03.15 | bleck2 | oh, nm compiz-decorator |
| 11:03.35 | Nemoder | hyppias: as far as I know if there are any security risks to the kernel then the older kernels are patched to fix those issues rather than installing new ones |
| 11:03.36 | bleck2 | enouf: all good now. thanks :) |
| 11:03.46 | maligor | kernel-package provides build scripts for making debs from kernels |
| 11:03.50 | enouf | np |
| 11:03.52 | hyppias | ok |
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| 11:04.13 | RichiH | is pdo dead? |
| 11:04.29 | enouf | yeah, it was last i checked |
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| 11:04.41 | enouf | about an hour or two ago |
| 11:04.52 | coredu | valdyn: ok let me reboot I was trying something else:( |
| 11:05.18 | enouf | wow .. lmao |
| 11:05.48 | enouf | haha @ dpkg just answered me from yesterday! --> [06:59:34] [dpkg] Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'trucrypt' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.33 | enouf | i must've asked that question ~20-24hrs ago O_p |
| 11:06.47 | RichiH | enouf: well then, make it work again |
| 11:07.26 | enouf | i even mentioned then, "i think i broke it" .. then stew ran !test, and she was working shrug |
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| 11:08.23 | coredu | valdyn: error openint /dev/md0 |
| 11:08.27 | coredu | no such device |
| 11:09.18 | coredu | damn |
| 11:09.28 | coredu | I think I need a boot cd with raid sw module |
| 11:09.31 | badcfe | valdyn: genisoimage: Directories too deep for '... hmmmmm what can i do? |
| 11:10.29 | badcfe | valdyn: also, it gives messages like Using XRAT_000.HTM;1 for ....what damage is caused? |
| 11:10.53 | enouf | what i had issued was -> /msg dpkg find trucrypt ,that's all .. and after we !test, i even ran "/msg dpkg info trucrypt" to which she replied real quickly (*sigh*) |
| 11:11.10 | k-man | whats the status of firefox 3 in debian? |
| 11:11.25 | enouf | !iceweasel3 |
| 11:11.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 11:13.36 | badcfe | if genisofs says directory tree is too deep and 'ignored'. is there a workaround this? |
| 11:14.39 | badcfe | or is it generally a bad idea to write anything using iso fs? |
| 11:14.56 | badcfe | i should make a tarball and burn that instead. iso seems so fucking nasty |
| 11:15.54 | Decepticon | how can i touch a bunch of files in alphabetical order? |
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| 11:16.09 | enouf | badcfe: the ISO is already made? |
| 11:16.23 | enouf | badcfe: which command are you burning with? |
| 11:17.17 | xingu | heh, neat: http://getfirebug.com/net.html |
| 11:18.06 | Lagbolt | anyone know of a bug or a reason that s2disk doesnt power off my laptop. it just sits there and i have to manually power down. comes back up perfectly. |
| 11:18.12 | enouf | something like touch *[A-Za-z] ?? no idea, just a wild guess .. or use find and sort and feed that to xargs touch or something - ask in #bash |
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| 11:18.26 | badcfe | enouf: the errors (warnings) come when i do genisoimage |
| 11:18.51 | Decepticon | i tried touch * it did it in alphabetical |
| 11:18.54 | Decepticon | it seems |
| 11:18.56 | enouf | badcfe: why are you using genisoimage, and thats' not what i asked |
| 11:19.19 | enouf | Decepticon: good then ; done ;-P |
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| 11:19.40 | H2S04 | enouf: enough! |
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| 11:19.56 | enouf | ok, if you say so ;-) |
| 11:20.11 | badcfe | enouf: well once i have a good iso i thought of burning it with growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrw1=dvd.iso |
| 11:20.25 | enouf | ok, badcfe sounds good |
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| 11:20.40 | badcfe | no, genisoimage does not sound good |
| 11:21.11 | badcfe | i complains a hell of a lot, i wonder what damage has been caused by its frenetical suffering sounds |
| 11:21.28 | badcfe | /i/a\t |
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| 11:22.02 | enouf | badcfe: now, see man genisoimage, search the man page for 'link' and 'tree' , and see -graft-point option if applicable, but yeah, ISO9660 has a max depth in mode2 (3?) of ~8 dir depths |
| 11:22.30 | badcfe | i really really hate that max depth |
| 11:22.51 | badcfe | is sorry for being hatefull |
| 11:22.57 | enouf | so then do what you said, and make a tar or cpio or similar |
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| 11:23.26 | badcfe | im gona write a complaint letter to iso |
| 11:24.01 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 11:24.02 | dpkg | \o/ is probably w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 11:27.11 | nareshov | any help with solving my '/dev/video not showing problem' will be appreciated |
| 11:27.15 | enouf | Lagbolt: does your power button in BIOS have choices of [power off, standby, etc] ? |
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| 11:27.47 | Lagbolt | enouf, ah, i need to check. if it does what should i set it to? |
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| 11:27.52 | enouf | Lagbolt: i really can't say, i don't use laptops, nor s2{ram,disk} |
| 11:28.04 | enouf | Lagbolt: well, the other option ;-) |
| 11:28.19 | Lagbolt | enouf, the thing is if i force it to you echo -n "disk" >/sys/power/state, it powers down but default is s2disk |
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| 11:28.30 | Lagbolt | enouf, i will give it a look see. thanks |
| 11:28.36 | sylvain | Hello, i am using fakeroot debian/rules binary to rebuild my kernel, but it takes a lot of time creating documentation, which I don't want. How do I skip this step? |
| 11:28.46 | enouf | Lagbolt: that command should be part of /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh ? |
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| 11:29.40 | enouf | sylvain: see the make files and edit them? |
| 11:29.41 | Lagbolt | enouf, it is, but it has if / then to pick between them. so it wants s2disk but if i force the loop to the else it works. but from the coments i see that it is depreciated. just trying to make it work with default settings. |
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| 11:29.51 | Lagbolt | i will check bios, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 11:35.20 | coredu | valdyn: it worked just using a boot CD with md enabled:) |
| 11:35.22 | coredu | tanx |
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| 11:43.30 | Mitar | why is there not openssl-dev package? |
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| 11:44.35 | RichiH | !wx |
| 11:44.36 | dpkg | A free C(plusplus) framework to make cross-platform programming child's play. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/julian.smart/wxwin/ |
| 11:45.00 | RichiH | !wxgtk |
| 11:45.04 | RichiH | !wxgtk2.8 |
| 11:45.57 | enouf | libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation ? |
| 11:46.00 | vadmeste | Mitar: it's libssl-dev |
| 11:46.18 | Mitar | thanks :-) |
| 11:46.20 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search openssl | grep dev finds it |
| 11:47.15 | Mitar | hm, only the utility package is then openssl? |
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| 11:47.56 | enouf | utility? as in section util ? |
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| 11:48.30 | Mitar | as in binary ~$ openssl |
| 11:48.57 | enouf | !x509 |
| 11:48.58 | Mitar | any progress on DKIM support in exim on Debian? |
| 11:49.08 | Mitar | or I have to build it myself? |
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| 11:49.34 | enouf | you've lost me now |
| 11:50.05 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search dkim ? |
| 11:50.45 | Mitar | i am trying to install dkim for exim on Debian |
| 11:50.48 | Mitar | (stable) |
| 11:50.58 | Mitar | so first i needed openssl include files .. |
| 11:51.13 | vadmeste | so ? |
| 11:51.23 | Mitar | but now I remembered I could ask if there is anything easier to build everything myself |
| 11:51.28 | Mitar | maybe something already made :-) |
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| 11:51.41 | Mitar | http://wiki.exim.org/DKIM |
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| 11:52.38 | extrallli | hi all --- can someone tell me an easy way to prevent brute force hacking of .htaccess??? |
| 11:53.35 | slxix | what is brute force hacking of .htaccess? |
| 11:53.39 | dragonheart | extrallli: fail2ban or like iplevel blocker |
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| 11:55.01 | extrallli | what about connection rate limits ? |
| 11:55.10 | extrallli | I don't want to block by IP |
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| 11:56.38 | vadmeste | extrallli: for more accurate information, join #apache |
| 11:56.53 | extrallli | LOL |
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| 12:03.41 | vadmeste | I wanna questions !! |
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| 12:07.10 | dragonheart | why? |
| 12:08.24 | vadmeste | To help people |
| 12:11.36 | twobitsprite | extrallli: what do you mean by .htaccess hacking? |
| 12:13.43 | dragonheart | twobitwork: i assumed extrallli ment brute force attempts at digest passwords |
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| 12:14.47 | dragonheart | vadmeste: how do you make a package as fully installed even though it broken in the postinst stage? |
| 12:15.29 | badcfe | enouf, valdyn: i managed to create a data dvd, thank you for the help. |
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| 12:16.38 | extrallli | dragonheart: yes, I meant bruteforce hacking of .htaccess passwords |
| 12:16.54 | extrallli | I want to block IPs after two many failed attempts |
| 12:17.43 | macoute | doesnt fail2ban do that? |
| 12:17.47 | royori | The requested URL /home/[username]/public_html/website/upload.php was not found on this server |
| 12:17.50 | dragonheart | i'll suggest fail2ban _0 |
| 12:17.56 | royori | while the file is in the server |
| 12:18.16 | royori | is it .htaccess thingy ? I have it rewrite |
| 12:18.18 | royori | urls |
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| 12:19.11 | dragonheart | royori: why do you expect it to be there? no its not .htaccess. do rewrite urls go to home directories? |
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| 12:20.55 | royori | while it says the file was not found, but when I write the file name in the browser it works |
| 12:20.56 | Kalidarn | anyone here got pure-ftpd going? |
| 12:21.11 | royori | and what is "go to home directories |
| 12:21.22 | Kalidarn | is the --with-ftpwho option enabled in the debian binary for the pure-ftpd server? |
| 12:21.25 | royori | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.37 | Kalidarn | just wondering if there was any security related issue to as to why it might have an optional flag :) |
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| 12:24.55 | Nyle | good morning |
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| 12:25.58 | dragonheart | royori: wondering how your rewrite rules make urls to files. keep looking you'll find it eventually |
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| 12:29.24 | dragonheart | how do you make a package as fully installed even though it broken in the postinst stage? |
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| 12:30.23 | asg | dragonheart: hack the postinst script so it doesn't break ; apt-get -f install |
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| 12:31.03 | abrotman | dragonheart: why does the postinst fail ? |
| 12:31.24 | dragonheart | was a backported one that i did - it wasn't perfect |
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| 12:33.11 | dragonheart | it got a bit confusted whether sympa was doing an upgrade or a new install. probably from swtiching up and down between versions |
| 12:35.16 | enouf | 'exit 0' at top of .postinst, or make an equivs to satisfy .. whois sympa tico? |
| 12:35.28 | Nyle | fucking psycho |
| 12:35.32 | Nyle | no |
| 12:35.34 | Nyle | psychic |
| 12:35.39 | Nyle | oops |
| 12:35.49 | enouf | Simba the lion? :-P |
| 12:35.51 | Nyle | enouf |
| 12:35.58 | Nyle | hmm |
| 12:36.02 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:36.10 | enouf | hola you madman |
| 12:36.11 | dragonheart | enouf: package was sympa |
| 12:36.20 | enouf | oh .. :-) |
| 12:36.20 | Nyle | sympatico is what? |
| 12:36.23 | Nyle | canadian? |
| 12:36.26 | enouf | i forget |
| 12:36.29 | abrotman | dragonheart: you can put an exit 0 at the top |
| 12:36.31 | enouf | but something |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 12:36.37 | dragonheart | bad english i know. but at least i'm not rambling |
| 12:36.44 | enouf | haha |
| 12:36.48 | Nyle | I blame canada |
| 12:36.54 | asg | blames Nyle |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | dragonheart: yeah .. it's a known problem with ramblers |
| 12:37.02 | enouf | not bad english, and we're used to Nyle rambling ;-) |
| 12:37.17 | Nyle | what? |
| 12:37.25 | Nyle | I was talking to enoug psycho |
| 12:37.25 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:37.27 | themill | although Nyle as promised to ramble in #debian-offtopic and not in #debian ... |
| 12:37.28 | Nyle | er.. psychich ;) |
| 12:37.38 | enouf | psychobabbler? |
| 12:37.44 | Nyle | I'm not rambling |
| 12:37.46 | Nyle | :( |
| 12:37.51 | Nyle | its morning time and sunday |
| 12:37.54 | Nyle | leave me alone |
| 12:38.03 | Nyle | this is the one day out the week man |
| 12:38.06 | enouf | I know - i tease, hush now |
| 12:38.06 | Nyle | c'mon lemme enjoy |
| 12:38.10 | dragonheart | abrotman: is there a staging directory where I should be looking for this? |
| 12:38.22 | asg | dragonheart: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 12:38.29 | dragonheart | thanks |
| 12:39.07 | Nyle | intalls apache 2 for the first time ever |
| 12:39.18 | Nyle | upgrading from 1.3 (stoned.is.dreaming.org) |
| 12:39.19 | macoute | first time for everything i guess |
| 12:39.31 | Nyle | server down atm |
| 12:39.43 | Nyle | umm |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | dragonheart: you put that after the shebang |
| 12:39.54 | Nyle | how do i enable ~/public_html on apache2? |
| 12:40.10 | abrotman | a2enmod mod_userdir or something like that |
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| 12:40.12 | Nyle | UserDir mod |
| 12:40.18 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 12:40.24 | Nyle | previously the directive was in the conf file |
| 12:40.33 | Nyle | everything seems to have chagned arouond |
| 12:40.34 | abrotman | previously you were using apache1 |
| 12:40.52 | Nyle | abrotman, thats what I just said |
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| 12:40.54 | dragonheart | abrotman: yep thankyou. now to clean up etckeeper.... |
| 12:41.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:45.12 | Ikarus | anyone here know why the theme from package kde-style-klearlook isn't showing in the KDE theme selector ? |
| 12:46.02 | gkiagia | what happened to packages.debian.org? I am getting "connection refused" |
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| 12:46.22 | abrotman | gkiagia: might be down .. |
| 12:47.07 | gkiagia | :( |
| 12:47.32 | asg | abrotman: been having issues since yesterday |
| 12:47.48 | abrotman | been having issues for two weeks |
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| 12:49.42 | kibibyte | hi |
| 12:51.37 | bolt | what has xauth been replaced with on debian? |
| 12:51.40 | bolt | er. |
| 12:51.42 | bolt | on etch |
| 12:51.50 | bolt | i only find it in sid |
| 12:51.53 | stew | bolt: it hasn't been replaced |
| 12:52.18 | bolt | stew: can't find the package when searching for it |
| 12:52.22 | stew | bolt: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 12:52.35 | stew | bolt: its in xbase-clients iirc |
| 12:52.36 | trumpen | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.36 | trumpen | xbase-clients: /usr/bin/xauth |
| 12:52.36 | dpkg | You Fool! `which xauth` is installed! |
| 12:52.57 | Jyzygzy- | stew you never told us what WM you use? |
| 12:52.58 | buntfalke | I need to draw control flow charts. umbrello and kivio are badly suited for this. other suggestions? (qt/kde preferred) |
| 12:53.23 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i use the one i wrote, tritium |
| 12:53.25 | asg | buntfalke: dia |
| 12:53.46 | bolt | stew, trumpen: ah. found it. thanks |
| 12:54.13 | Jyzygzy- | stew fusion reactor? |
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| 12:54.40 | stew | Jyzygzy-: ion3 clone |
| 12:54.53 | Jyzygzy- | oh dynamic |
| 12:54.58 | buntfalke | asg: thanks. i'll use kivio with dia stencils imported then ;-) |
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| 13:00.10 | Ikarus | oh, also, anyone know how I can permanently disable the Trash stupidity in GNOME |
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| 13:00.57 | assasukasse | I am having problems with gdebi, does someone know where the config files and databases are located? |
| 13:01.06 | assasukasse | every time i try to install smth i get a failed install notice |
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| 13:09.41 | abrotman | assasukasse: which version of debian ? |
| 13:10.00 | assasukasse | abrotman: lenny |
| 13:10.08 | assasukasse | i installed 2 days ago |
| 13:10.12 | assasukasse | and everything works fine |
| 13:10.14 | abrotman | i dont' have a 'gdebi' package in lenny |
| 13:10.18 | abrotman | or file |
| 13:10.23 | assasukasse | abrotman: i installed! |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | !info gdebi lenny |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | !+info gdebi lenny |
| 13:10.48 | dpkg | Package 'gdebi' does not exist. |
| 13:11.11 | assasukasse | ? might i have installed the etch version instead? |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | !+info gdebi etch |
| 13:11.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:11.22 | assasukasse | but if not in lenny then for sure no in etch |
| 13:11.36 | defrysk | its in sid |
| 13:11.40 | dpkg | gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.6 (etch), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 13:11.44 | defrysk | not in lenny |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | okay then |
| 13:11.59 | abrotman | assasukasse: i'd imagine the config files are in /etc/ |
| 13:12.11 | assasukasse | 0.3.5debian1 |
| 13:12.15 | assasukasse | the version i have |
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| 13:12.38 | defrysk | thats likely the sid version |
| 13:12.41 | assasukasse | abrotman: no config in /etc/ |
| 13:12.58 | assasukasse | defrysk: probably that's why i am having problem with it |
| 13:13.15 | abrotman | you could use .. aptitude like a sane person |
| 13:13.19 | defrysk | assasukasse, try dpkg -i /path/to/foo.deb |
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| 13:13.40 | defrysk | or what abrotman said |
| 13:13.56 | assasukasse | dpkg works perfectly |
| 13:13.56 | dpkg | assasukasse: are you using Windows? |
| 13:14.05 | assasukasse | dpkg: of course no! |
| 13:14.05 | dpkg | assasukasse: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:14.12 | defrysk | :D |
| 13:14.35 | defrysk | assasukasse, if dpkg works then stop using gdebi for now |
| 13:14.57 | assasukasse | abrotman: hell is true, but sometime gdebi is handy if you wanna install stuffs with a graphical env (showoff how easy is lenny) |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | synaptic ? |
| 13:15.12 | themill | !why is gdebi not in testing |
| 13:15.12 | dpkg | gdebi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gdebi |
| 13:15.19 | abrotman | because it's buggy as hell! |
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| 13:15.31 | assasukasse | defrysk: i couldn't agree more. aptitude purge gdebi |
| 13:15.37 | themill | (hint for very very good reasons) |
| 13:16.16 | abrotman | assasukasse: if you look at the bugs in gdebi and gdebi-core .. you'll see that it doesn't work very well .. so i'm not sure how it "shows how easy" anything is |
| 13:16.37 | trumpen | I am looking for a program that searches for a given audio clip inside another audio file and if found, returns its position in seconds. Something like awk's match for strings; does this program exist? |
| 13:16.50 | defrysk | assasukasse, show off the power of command line tools |
| 13:16.57 | assasukasse | abrotman: gdebi is gone :D |
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| 13:17.11 | themill | assasukasse: any time you're pulling a package out of sid to stick it into testing, you should ask yourself why the package isn't in testing already... |
| 13:17.39 | assasukasse | themill: true.. |
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| 13:18.04 | themill | assasukasse: you might like to /msg dpkg apt-listbugs |
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| 13:19.21 | liable | wonders if its one of the few things we have gotten passed back from ubuntu |
| 13:20.02 | themill | heh... that would explain it. And adept. |
| 13:20.18 | assasukasse | oh interesting! |
| 13:20.42 | themill | assasukasse: also, /msg dpkg apt-listchanges |
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| 13:21.37 | assasukasse | now a server question: my pc was being ssh reversed from an ubuntulu machine, 2 days ago i reinstalled from etch to lenny, and put the same rsa keys (i use rsa w/o password for the remove ssh) |
| 13:21.53 | assasukasse | now it can't connect anymore, even if the chron schedule is set to restore the ssh connection |
| 13:22.05 | assasukasse | i suppose is because known_hosts doesn't match anymore |
| 13:22.10 | assasukasse | in the remote machine |
| 13:22.11 | liable | trumpen: unlikely, i have certainly never heard of anything even similar to what you are after |
| 13:22.33 | assasukasse | now, the only way is getting there and removing known_hosts right? or there is another way^? |
| 13:23.08 | trumpen | liable: thanks, never have I :) |
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| 13:23.40 | assasukasse | thanks themill is also useful |
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| 13:35.20 | janne-5011 | how can I fix this: bash: killall: command not found ? |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | aptitude install psmisc .. i think |
| 13:35.35 | abrotman | !tell janne-5011 about search |
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| 13:37.27 | janne-5011 | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:39.29 | anddam | I configured 2.6.26 with 2.6.24 config file (make oldconfig) and then I built the kernel, I need an initrd so I'm gonna use the kp manta but it has make clean and it takes like 1 day to build |
| 13:39.51 | anddam | can I skip clean and use safely the objects I just compiled? |
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| 13:40.51 | liable | why dont you build it on a better machine? |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | yes, you just need to do make clena if you need to build again |
| 13:41.01 | liable | why are you building at all? |
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| 13:41.23 | Bushmills | assasukasse: when did you create those keys? |
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| 13:41.54 | anddam | liable: I don't have a better machine, I need it to use rt2x00 beta branch |
| 13:41.55 | assasukasse | Bushmills: right after the openssh exploit discovering |
| 13:41.58 | Jyzygzy- | hmm weird my machine gets stuck on boot |
| 13:42.09 | Jyzygzy- | its always the "Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision 3.20" |
| 13:42.11 | anddam | liable: what about my actual question? |
| 13:42.11 | liable | anddam: you can build that out of tree |
| 13:42.17 | Jyzygzy- | after that its stuck |
| 13:42.24 | anddam | liable: I'd like to, how? |
| 13:42.31 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder if my CD-Rom drive is broken |
| 13:42.37 | assasukasse | Bushmills: after getting the package openssh-blacklist |
| 13:42.48 | liable | anddam: go visit the rt2x00 list or linuxwireless.org |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | didn't i answer him? |
| 13:42.55 | Bushmills | assasukasse: have you made sure you created them only after fixed ssl lisbs were installed? |
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| 13:43.21 | assasukasse | Bushmills: yes i personally deleted all of them, then recreated after the new ssh fix was out |
| 13:43.22 | anddam | liable: seems latest branch is only distributed with a complete kernel tree, the driver is actually in mainstream kernel from 2.6.24 but I'm on 2.6.18 so I should upgrade the kernel anyway |
| 13:43.44 | anddam | liable: I tried to figure out how to compile the bare driver but I wasn't able to, I checked both wiki and forum |
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| 13:43.59 | Bushmills | assasukasse: i talk about ssl, not about ssh |
| 13:44.05 | liable | anddam: agreed you would probably have problems on a .18 kernel, but they dont have tarballs available?? |
| 13:44.16 | anddam | liable: they don't |
| 13:44.29 | anddam | liable: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Downloads |
| 13:44.31 | assasukasse | Bushmills: yes sorry it was a typo, i mean ssl not ssh |
| 13:44.37 | anddam | "For several reasons, they can only be pulled along with the full kernel sources using the git content tracker." |
| 13:44.42 | liable | anddam: so get a lenny 24 kernel and build the compat package from ;linuxwireless.org |
| 13:45.04 | anddam | liable: I'm not confident with this compat package |
| 13:45.17 | anddam | compatibility among different kernel subversions? |
| 13:45.18 | liable | anddam: and the reason would be? |
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| 13:45.43 | anddam | liable: the reason? I never had to learn about before |
| 13:45.49 | liable | anddam: the preson that makes it is a little more knowledgable than you i would imagine |
| 13:46.08 | liable | about wireless drivers.. |
| 13:46.24 | anddam | liable: I'm not sure to get the point... |
| 13:46.49 | CharminTheMoose | ack |
| 13:46.51 | liable | anddam: just try it before you make excuses about how you think it wont work |
| 13:47.18 | anddam | liable: seriously, I can't understand what you're talking about |
| 13:47.18 | wols_ | !tell anddam about ralink |
| 13:47.25 | wols_ | anddam: debian already comes with those drivers |
| 13:47.29 | CharminTheMoose | can removing ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat mess stuff up in iceweasel? |
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| 13:47.45 | anddam | liable: I didn't try to find an excuse |
| 13:47.52 | anddam | wols_: that is too old tho' |
| 13:48.09 | liable | anddam: install a lenny kernel. then build the compat package supplied on the web site i gave |
| 13:48.16 | wols_ | why? also, you do not need an initrd if you have a clue |
| 13:48.33 | wols_ | aand last but not least: there are backports for etch with a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 13:48.40 | anddam | wols_: first thing I tried was m-a build rt2x00 but m-a fetched a 2006 cvs snapshot |
| 13:48.42 | wols_ | you compiling is totally utterly redundant |
| 13:48.49 | arcsky | hello, I have a damaged drive with ntfs, is there any good tools for recovery in apt? |
| 13:48.55 | wols_ | arcsky: no |
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| 13:49.16 | wols_ | why there is ntfs-utils I wouldn't near a broken fs with that with a 10 foot pole |
| 13:49.34 | liable | anddam: the basic point, is that you dont need to build a whole kernel. at the most, just some modules |
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| 13:49.51 | arcsky | no cloning tools or such? |
| 13:50.24 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 13:50.24 | dpkg | methinks ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 13:50.25 | anddam | liable: yes but I tought that modules from a newer kernel could have issues |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | good luck :) |
| 13:50.41 | anddam | liable: how can I check if a kernel image is from lenny? |
| 13:50.41 | liable | anddam: such as? |
| 13:50.54 | anddam | I remember some "policy" command to dpkg or so |
| 13:50.57 | basix | i'm trying to understand this PDF ( http://www.os3.nl/~arjen/snb/asp/asp-report.pdf ). Its on UML ( User Mode Linux ). What is the deal with all the commands beginning with "linux" eg. linux umid=vm1 eth0=daemon,,unix,/tmp/uml_switch1 |
| 13:51.44 | wols_ | anddam: it's in a lenny repo |
| 13:52.12 | wols_ | basix: you somehow have to start your UML instance, right? |
| 13:52.32 | liable | anddam: go to backports.org and get a newer kernel from there, then come back if you have problems with that |
| 13:52.39 | anddam | wols_: yes, the question meant "how can I check what repository a package come from?" |
| 13:52.44 | CharminTheMoose | can removing ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat mess stuff up in iceweasel? such as slow page loading and whatnot? |
| 13:52.45 | basix | wols_, yes. but i dont find the "linux" command on my machine.... |
| 13:52.47 | anddam | liable: I'm reading about the compat package from wireless.org |
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| 13:53.43 | wols_ | anddam: apt-cache policy apt-cache show |
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| 13:54.00 | wols_ | basix: do you have any sort of UML installed? |
| 13:54.41 | Ikarus | hmz, why is apt on one system installing recommended packages aswell as dpeends and on another isn't doing this |
| 13:54.51 | basix | wols_, yes uml-switch |
| 13:55.08 | wols_ | Ikarus: is one lenny and the other etch? |
| 13:55.15 | Ikarus | wols_: both sid |
| 13:55.28 | wols_ | then one has settings which prevent recommends |
| 13:55.31 | Ikarus | anyway, I can't find the option to toggle the behavior in the man pages either |
| 13:55.34 | Ikarus | wols_: which is ? |
| 13:55.44 | Ikarus | I just skimmed all apt related manpages and didn't find it |
| 13:55.57 | wols_ | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 13:56.23 | Ikarus | ah, duh, just remembered that less doesn't do case insensitive searches by default.... |
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| 13:57.19 | anddam | I'm installing 2.6.24-1 now |
| 13:57.50 | Ikarus | wols_: hmz, that actually isn't in the manpage.... |
| 13:58.09 | wols_ | !aptitude howto |
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| 13:58.23 | anddam | liable: should I get a more recent one from backports? |
| 13:58.33 | Ikarus | wols_: nah, I don't want aptitude :P |
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| 13:58.55 | wols_ | !apt howto |
| 13:58.55 | dpkg | somebody said apt-howto was at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or aptitude install apt-howto-en |
| 13:58.59 | liable | anddam: i am not sure, check the backports page, i thing 2.6.24-2 is available in lenny at least |
| 13:59.07 | Ikarus | wols_: except that one doesn't mention the option |
| 13:59.16 | Ikarus | wols_: I just searched the howto aswell |
| 13:59.17 | wols_ | afaik bpo has 2.6.24 just as etchnhalf doe |
| 13:59.20 | basix | I'm reading this ( http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html ) tutorial as well. Why does the author want to "zero" the IPs of both eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 14:00.08 | anddam | liable: 2.6.24-1 in lenny and backports has 2.6.24+13 |
| 14:00.22 | anddam | liable: I'm going with lenny's |
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| 14:00.51 | Rastafarian | friends, i installed debian netinstall with only main system. now i dont have a compiler to "./configure". what packages i have to install? |
| 14:01.07 | wols_ | !tell Rastafarian about built-essential |
| 14:01.23 | wols_ | !tell Rastafarian about built-essentials |
| 14:01.29 | Rastafarian | ^^ |
| 14:01.29 | wols_ | grah |
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| 14:01.34 | Mundus | d not t =P |
| 14:01.35 | wols_ | Rastafarian: /msg dpkg build-essential |
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| 14:02.29 | Rastafarian | thx sounds good, now i'll try it |
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| 14:03.17 | ice63 | wols_: hello wols_ hy do you know how to set the resolution on lenny for x ? |
| 14:03.35 | wols_ | xrandr |
| 14:03.51 | wols_ | and a swift kick to the X-Strike force. wherever it hurts |
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| 14:04.25 | ice63 | wols_: ok is that in gnome ? |
| 14:04.43 | wols_ | it's in X |
| 14:04.53 | ice63 | i'm runing blackbox |
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| 14:08.20 | ice63 | wols_: ok how do i use xrandr ? |
| 14:09.09 | ice63 | wols_: to set reolution |
| 14:09.16 | abrotman | man xrandr |
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| 14:14.20 | rage | I've got an interesting problem, certain gnome applications are missing their icons, http://www.tucs.org.au/rage/icons.png <-- Mainly certain notification area programs, glade, compizconfig |
| 14:14.54 | rage | all replaced by a sort of... screen icon |
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| 14:15.40 | abrotman | tried logging out/in ? |
| 14:15.54 | rage | abrotman: Indeed, and even restarting, no luck |
| 14:15.56 | felix_ | I've got an uninteresting, but rather challencing, problem, regarding laptop and lcd tv resolutions. |
| 14:16.28 | rage | I'm not even sure where to look to make sure those icons even exist |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | rage: i'd tell you to check the BTS .. but i'm not sure which applicatoin to tell you to check .. maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | rage: they're usually in /usr/share/icon/ i think |
| 14:17.02 | abrotman | erm .. icons |
| 14:17.11 | abrotman | or /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 14:17.12 | rage | I'll have a poke around in there, and ask in #gnome, and BTS? |
| 14:17.22 | abrotman | !tell rage about bts |
| 14:17.29 | rage | ah :-) |
| 14:19.24 | Rastafarian | how can i scroll up the shell? |
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| 14:19.53 | Xenguy | Rastafarian: Shift-PageUp ? |
| 14:19.59 | Rastafarian | wow |
| 14:20.01 | Rastafarian | thx a lot |
| 14:20.06 | Xenguy | yw |
| 14:20.07 | Rastafarian | argh i am a mf noob |
| 14:20.10 | arcsky | Anyone know a good tool for fix broken sectors on harddrives ? |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | fix? or mark ? |
| 14:20.45 | arcsky | mark |
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| 14:21.02 | abrotman | badblocks or something like that |
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| 14:22.14 | felix_ | I'll try to be more specific. I have gotten dual screens working involving my toshiba satellite pro a1000 (psaace) (native 1280x800@60) and a samsung LE37S8 lcd tv (native 1360x768@60) but I can't get either of them to run a resolution higher than 1024x768. I'm out of ideas and in great need of help. |
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| 14:27.05 | Jyzygzy- | where else is networking config than /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:27.34 | liable | Jyzygzy-: thats it, unless you use a gui configurator |
| 14:27.57 | Jyzygzy- | well why do i get IP-address with DHCP but nothing works |
| 14:28.04 | assasukasse | i have still a stupid question, i set up my correct keyb in xorg.conf and in X i have my correct keytable..but if i do ctrl-alt-F2 and go cli, i have a wrong one..how can i change? add lang=it in the grub boot line? |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | felix_: maybe ask #xorg |
| 14:28.11 | Jyzygzy- | i cannot ping my LAN computers and they cannot ping me |
| 14:28.19 | Jyzygzy- | iptables is empty |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | !tell assasukasse about keymap |
| 14:28.22 | Jyzygzy- | route is ok |
| 14:28.31 | Jyzygzy- | what else could it possibly be |
| 14:28.50 | liable | Jyzygzy-: if route is set, hmm. wirless or wired? |
| 14:28.55 | Jyzygzy- | wired |
| 14:29.05 | Jyzygzy- | default route is to my gateway |
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| 14:29.09 | Jyzygzy- | i cannot even ping my gateway |
| 14:29.17 | Jyzygzy- | Destination Host Unreachable |
| 14:29.27 | liable | Jyzygzy-: and ifconfig output doesnt show any other aliases or anything? |
| 14:29.51 | Jyzygzy- | damn the br0 is still there |
| 14:30.04 | Jyzygzy- | maybe restart computer |
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| 14:30.22 | liable | take the bridge down |
| 14:30.25 | Jyzygzy- | how? |
| 14:30.33 | liable | ifconfig br0 down |
| 14:30.37 | Jyzygzy- | i uninastalled bridge-utils and uml-utilities |
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| 14:30.44 | Jyzygzy- | liable that won't still remove it completely |
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| 14:30.49 | liable | brctl destroy br0 or so |
| 14:31.02 | liable | man brctl |
| 14:31.03 | Jyzygzy- | i don't have brctl i think |
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| 14:31.08 | Jyzygzy- | yea i removed it |
| 14:31.17 | Jyzygzy- | the bridge still remains??? |
| 14:31.28 | Jyzygzy- | lol whats with that |
| 14:31.36 | liable | so reinstall it to remove the damn bridge |
| 14:31.50 | Jyzygzy- | sounds like something is broken |
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| 14:31.58 | liable | yes, your logic.. |
| 14:31.59 | Jyzygzy- | it should remove all the bridges when you remove the package |
| 14:32.13 | Jyzygzy- | where are those bridges? |
| 14:32.19 | Jyzygzy- | i could manually go remove it |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:32.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 14:32.26 | liable | sigh |
| 14:32.30 | liable | gives up |
| 14:32.35 | Rastafarian | has anyone installed fluxbox? i thougt i have but if i type in startx, "command not found |
| 14:32.52 | Jyzygzy- | the bridge-utils is a horrible tool that just brakes everything up |
| 14:32.59 | stew | Rastafarian: aptitude install xorg |
| 14:33.03 | asg | Rastafarian: /msg dpkg startx |
| 14:33.09 | Jyzygzy- | liable and how you expect me to install it if i don't have internet connection |
| 14:33.34 | liable | Jyzygzy-: because its in your apt cache if you have just had it installed... |
| 14:33.57 | liable | Jyzygzy-: reboot |
| 14:34.04 | liable | save us all the time |
| 14:34.08 | Jyzygzy- | ok |
| 14:34.27 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder why last reboot was so horribly slow |
| 14:35.22 | Jyzygzy- | yea seems its slow this time too |
| 14:35.28 | Jyzygzy- | always the same places |
| 14:36.09 | Jyzygzy- | where can i find the error logs for boot? |
| 14:37.45 | wols_ | in /var/log |
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| 14:38.27 | my007ms | if file system did not keep creation date |
| 14:38.34 | my007ms | how backup scripts work |
| 14:38.41 | Rastafarian | after all the packages i installed now to have fluxbox i think i have nearly the same blown linux i would have if i installed the debian desktop^^ |
| 14:38.48 | Jyzygzy- | lol Checking battery state... |
| 14:38.59 | Jyzygzy- | crazy timeout time |
| 14:39.00 | liable | my007ms: modify date i guess |
| 14:39.01 | themill | dpkg: tell my007ms about ctime |
| 14:39.07 | mquin | my007ms: backups don't typically need to care about creation dates, just when the file was last modified |
| 14:39.21 | Jyzygzy- | can you somehow adjust the timeouts for bootup? |
| 14:39.38 | Jyzygzy- | is ridiculous that checking battery state waits 1 minute |
| 14:39.47 | my007ms | but i need to backup file after every month from it's create and not care abut modified date |
| 14:39.55 | my007ms | is there any work a round this ? |
| 14:40.03 | themill | dpkg: tell Jyzygzy- about reportbug |
| 14:40.24 | Jyzygzy- | bug? |
| 14:40.32 | liable | its not even quite sunday here yet |
| 14:40.37 | Jyzygzy- | its a bug? |
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| 14:40.50 | themill | Jyzygzy-: if you're complaining about it, you must think it is a bug. |
| 14:41.42 | Jyzygzy- | where is the bootup sequence located? /etc/rc2.d? |
| 14:41.49 | themill | my007ms: why would you want to backup a file in that sort of way? Why not just back it up on the first day of each month? |
| 14:41.52 | Rastafarian | wow great help thx a lot friends!!! |
| 14:42.06 | Rastafarian | i have successfully installes fluxbox |
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| 14:42.13 | Rastafarian | installed* |
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| 14:42.35 | my007ms | themill coz it's content billing info |
| 14:42.50 | my007ms | and not every one have file in first day of the month |
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| 14:43.56 | themill | my007ms: I still can't envisage why you would want to back up every month after a file is created and not just at the start of every month. If you want something that weird, then you're going to have to write a script for it yourself. |
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| 14:44.37 | Zyna | I'm in the process of setting up a postfix+dovecot with ssl/tls and am experiancing problems while getting amavis to work. when telnetting myself to send a testmail I get amavais: ACCESS DENIED FROM my.pub.ip, policy bank ' ' in /var/log/mail.log the messages then drops and never reaches the inbox... can anyone help? |
| 14:45.04 | Zyna | google give 1000 hits but none that really has a working solution |
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| 14:48.58 | felix_ | I have gotten dual screens working involving my toshiba satellite pro a1000 (psaace) (native 1280x800@60) and a samsung LE37S8 lcd tv (native 1360x768@60) but I can't get either of them to run a resolution higher than 1024x768. I'm out of ideas and in great need of help. |
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| 14:49.47 | n-ice | hello |
| 14:49.47 | cusco_ | have you got the horizontal/vertical sync values? |
| 14:50.00 | n-ice | how do I appear the three little bars icons, for wireless connection??? |
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| 14:50.19 | wols_ | felix_: what driver? |
| 14:50.33 | liable | n-ice: eh? what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:50.36 | felix_ | I have all information needed for the lcd tv, however as the laptop screen goes I only have the resolution |
| 14:50.47 | n-ice | liable: the three blue bars for wireless |
| 14:50.48 | n-ice | on gnome |
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| 14:50.59 | liable | n-ice: network-manager? |
| 14:51.00 | zophy | can linux swap be on a logical partition ? |
| 14:51.06 | wols_ | zophy: yes |
| 14:51.08 | liable | zophy: yes |
| 14:51.08 | felix_ | 2 sec, I just gonna check for the driver |
| 14:51.14 | zophy | k |
| 14:51.21 | n-ice | liable: is that the package name? let me try |
| 14:51.29 | wd | is it possible to use etch fluxbox.deb in sarge? |
| 14:51.33 | felix_ | fglrx |
| 14:51.41 | wols_ | !tell wd about backports |
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| 14:51.53 | abrotman | there's a gnome-applet that monitors wireless or network connections |
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| 14:52.09 | liable | abrotman: isnt that NM? |
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| 14:52.24 | DaniloCesar | Are something wrong happening with Gnome (under Debian Leny). I'm trying to remove some packages (like inkscape and dia), and it's trying to remove all my gnome environment... |
| 14:52.25 | abrotman | uhm .. unsure |
| 14:52.27 | n-ice | liable: maybe it is, cuz wasn't installed, installing now |
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| 14:52.36 | Jyzygzy- | Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0 |
| 14:52.40 | Jyzygzy- | what are those? |
| 14:52.40 | wols_ | puts felix_ on ignore for PMing |
| 14:52.40 | n-ice | DaniloCesar: did you change the apt-get for aptitude? |
| 14:52.43 | Jyzygzy- | my dmesg is full of them |
| 14:52.44 | wd | wols_: i have sarge backports so edit line to say etch? |
| 14:52.47 | Jyzygzy- | hdc is my CD |
| 14:52.50 | Jyzygzy- | its broken? |
| 14:52.50 | liable | abrotman: it does have a little applet thingo for the menu bar |
| 14:52.54 | abrotman | liable: apparently not .. since i don't have any nm packages installed |
| 14:52.55 | DaniloCesar | n-ice, No, I'm using apt-get only |
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| 14:53.01 | wols_ | wd: read bpo instructions |
| 14:53.02 | felix_ | wols_ I'm sorry but it seemed you where pming me |
| 14:53.03 | wd | wols_: sarge backport giving me fluxbox 0.9.11 |
| 14:53.15 | Jyzygzy- | maybe there is a bad connection or something |
| 14:53.20 | wols_ | !tell wd about ssb |
| 14:53.23 | n-ice | liable: now, how do I run it? |
| 14:53.24 | DaniloCesar | n-ice, it's a leny 'fresh' install |
| 14:53.26 | wols_ | wd: you can do your own backport |
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| 14:53.42 | n-ice | DaniloCesar: no idea then, it happened to me when I changed apt-get for aptitud or aptitude for apt-get |
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| 14:53.51 | cusco_ | DaniloCesar: that is not all the gnome environment its only meta packages |
| 14:53.54 | cusco_ | it is safe to remove |
| 14:54.07 | liable | n-ice: no idea. if you install the gnome one, i imagine it autostarts |
| 14:54.28 | themill | dpkg: tell DaniloCesar about unmarkauto |
| 14:54.33 | Jyzygzy- | hmm seriosly weird |
| 14:54.36 | felix_ | this is going nowhere fast, not that I don't appreciate your input, but could anyone maybe point me to a good newsgroup? |
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| 14:54.40 | n-ice | reboot |
| 14:54.42 | n-ice | brb |
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| 14:55.04 | Jyzygzy- | i guess the cheap LG drive just broke |
| 14:55.06 | lontra_ | how can i zip up a directory so that it becomes a .tar.gz from a terminal? |
| 14:55.16 | wols_ | man tar |
| 14:55.17 | Jyzygzy- | suddenly shitload of I/O errors |
| 14:55.21 | liable | lontra_: /msg dpkg tar |
| 14:55.30 | wols_ | important options are c, z and f |
| 14:55.46 | lontra_ | wols_ and liable: thanks |
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| 14:57.25 | n-ice | no liable |
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| 14:58.28 | bolt | how can I set the speed of my cpu fans? I used a program called speedfan to set the speed based on cpu temparature in windows. |
| 14:59.05 | asg | bolt: powernowd should do what you need |
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| 14:59.32 | bolt | asg: I thought that was for setting the cpu speed of amd processors |
| 14:59.34 | n-ice | how do I install this? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2107/EtchNetMgr(30).jpg |
| 14:59.38 | n-ice | the wireless manager |
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| 15:00.17 | bolt | asg: hm.. seems it will work on intel, but it's for setting cpu speed, not cpu fan speed |
| 15:00.20 | asg | bolt: it drops cpu speed on other processors also. Don't know if there is a way to control CPU fan speed offhand though. |
| 15:00.31 | themill | n-ice: aptitude install network-manager-gnome ; nm-applet |
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| 15:01.26 | bolt | asg: it's not a laptop, so the fan speed is not dynamic in any way. if the cpu for some reason has a speedstep solution, lowering the speed will not make the machine more quiet. the cpu fans can be controlled through software, though, just need to know which |
| 15:01.31 | lexusmmx | hi.. im using testing lenny.. when i take my ethernet cable.. system notices that "Wired Network connection with a self assinged adress" and i cant join internet |
| 15:01.36 | lexusmmx | anyone can help ? |
| 15:02.03 | lexusmmx | my laptop is a part of a network and i cant reset the router or enter the router conf etc.. |
| 15:02.07 | lexusmmx | what can i do Ý? |
| 15:02.09 | asg | bolt: not sure then, sorry. |
| 15:02.22 | cusco_ | lexusmmx: try and run dhclienty |
| 15:02.24 | cusco_ | lexusmmx: try and run dhclient |
| 15:02.29 | wols_ | lexusmmx: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 15:02.56 | Jyzygzy- | looks like the CDROM was the reason for my slow boot |
| 15:03.07 | Jyzygzy- | i unplugged it and now it boots like its supposed to |
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| 15:03.50 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder how thats possible o.O |
| 15:04.15 | lexusmmx | cusco_ : i write dhclient to console.. thats all ? |
| 15:04.21 | lexusmmx | at the finish it said.. |
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| 15:04.30 | wols_ | lexusmmx: no |
| 15:04.32 | lexusmmx | no working leases in persistent databese - sleeping |
| 15:04.48 | cusco_ | lexusmmx: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:04.52 | cusco_ | copy that to the pastebin |
| 15:04.56 | cusco_ | like wols_ said... |
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| 15:05.23 | n-ice | themill: again please |
| 15:05.28 | lexusmmx | i cant cause it cant join internet.. i m at another pc now.. :S |
| 15:05.38 | n-ice | cuz I closed the terminal and all was closed, please, what was to run the applet? |
| 15:06.08 | kornholijo | boo |
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| 15:06.22 | n-ice | nmaplet |
| 15:06.41 | cusco_ | 16:01:14 < themill> n-ice: aptitude install network-manager-gnome ; nm-applet |
| 15:06.47 | themill | n-ice: nm-applet ; you should configure your irc client to keep logs so you can look back over them too. |
| 15:07.17 | themill | n-ice: you need to be a member of the netdev group. |
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| 15:08.16 | n-ice | themill: but how do I grab the icon to the bar? |
| 15:08.21 | n-ice | without open a terminal themill ? |
| 15:08.26 | buntfalke | What's good to draw control flow graphs? (kivio, dia and umbrello are not) |
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| 15:09.09 | lexussmmms | sorry connection disconnect |
| 15:09.19 | lexussmmms | cusco_ : http://pastebin.com/m5f1c38cb |
| 15:09.26 | themill | n-ice: once you run the applet and exit gnome *saving the session* (not force quitting as you normally do), then it will stay in the systray on future logins. |
| 15:09.42 | lexussmmms | wols : http://pastebin.com/m5f1c38cb |
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| 15:09.50 | wols_ | lexusmmx: replace allow-hotplug with auto |
| 15:10.05 | n-ice | saving, log out themill ? |
| 15:10.05 | Jyzygzy- | lol restarting KDM crashes fglrx |
| 15:10.14 | Jyzygzy- | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 15:10.20 | Jyzygzy- | == crash |
| 15:11.18 | lexussmmms | ok tring. |
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| 15:12.05 | gkiagia | Jyzygzy-: on my system it's even worse... stopping kdm causes kernel panic (if I use fglrx) :P |
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| 15:12.35 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
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| 15:12.46 | Jyzygzy- | i reboot my ATI machine like 10 times per day |
| 15:12.52 | Jyzygzy- | and those are all hardreboots |
| 15:13.03 | Jyzygzy- | just push the reset button cause picture freezes |
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| 15:13.20 | Jyzygzy- | makes me wonder if i have the latest version |
| 15:13.27 | gkiagia | Jyzygzy-: So for the time being, I use vesa until radeonhd supports my card |
| 15:13.42 | Jyzygzy- | 8.501-1 |
| 15:13.49 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder how new is that |
| 15:14.31 | Jyzygzy- | lol its the newest |
| 15:14.42 | Jyzygzy- | nice drivers from ATI! |
| 15:14.45 | gkiagia | yes it's the latest |
| 15:14.47 | liable | radeonhd has just started supporting 3d |
| 15:15.23 | Jyzygzy- | nvidia drivers are way better |
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| 15:16.24 | Jyzygzy- | i haven't eevr tried 3D accelerated Intel |
| 15:16.40 | Jyzygzy- | those should have some nice drivers? |
| 15:17.36 | gkiagia | Jyzygzy-: intel drivers are the best. nvidia are good (at least they do not crash) but they have problems with kde4 compositing |
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| 15:18.12 | Jyzygzy- | i've just never seen any GFX card that uses Intel chipset |
| 15:18.19 | raboof | the intel drivers are great, too bad the hardware is so-so :)\ |
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| 15:18.59 | xushi | how do you tell nfs to export in UTF8 ? something's wrong here |
| 15:19.19 | bleck | i've got an nvidia card, and the latest drivers seem to have no problem with compositing |
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| 15:20.00 | Jyzygzy- | i have nvidia drivers and they work good |
| 15:20.48 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder why don't they go Open Source |
| 15:21.38 | Selveste1 | Hey - I'm new to Debian - and I have an server with 4 hard-drives in and under install I setup the hard drive settings, but haw do I change them again ? it only to 2 of the 4 hard drives there is configured to raid and the 2 others have to be raid also ? |
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| 15:23.14 | ma3x | how do i install css for apache? |
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| 15:24.10 | n-iCe | is not working! |
| 15:24.21 | n-iCe | it doesn't show wireless connections! |
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| 15:26.25 | n-iCe | this is what i want! http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-tealuxe.png |
| 15:26.35 | n-iCe | I installed lenny, and didn't have it, etch does |
| 15:26.43 | n-iCe | the bar menu and the manager |
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| 15:27.42 | tymonn_ | howdy |
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| 15:27.47 | tymonn_ | i lost aptitude |
| 15:27.49 | tymonn_ | and apt |
| 15:27.58 | tymonn_ | how do i recover it? |
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| 15:28.06 | dbmoodb | tymonn_: how did you loose them ? |
| 15:28.36 | pixelmonkey | I just tried doing an apt-get install via xargs (e.g. cat my-pkgs | xargs apt-get --force-yes install). This worked to a point, except that apt-get needed to ask me questions and my console wasn't attached to stdin. I ended up aborting the install in the middle, and now everything is locked. How do I tell apt to fix itself? |
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| 15:28.46 | tymonn_ | i was reinstalling debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:28.51 | tymonn_ | and BANG |
| 15:28.55 | tymonn_ | lost it :x |
| 15:29.04 | wols_ | !errors |
| 15:29.05 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 15:29.09 | wols_ | this applies to you both |
| 15:29.21 | tymonn_ | i dont get any error |
| 15:29.25 | tymonn_ | aptitude and apt |
| 15:29.32 | tymonn_ | dont exist anymore |
| 15:29.33 | deli2323 | I got errors "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" and "Problem with mergelist". I added the line APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; to my conf.d/70debconf. |
| 15:29.41 | wols_ | tymonn_: man dpkg then |
| 15:29.43 | deli2323 | Then I rebooted the machine. The error persists. |
| 15:29.44 | tymonn_ | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 15:29.45 | themill | dpkg: tell deli2323 about mmap |
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| 15:29.51 | dbmoodb | wols ? |
| 15:29.57 | wols_ | deli2323: what's in your sources.list? |
| 15:30.01 | deli2323 | Is there some other thing that I need to do for this to work? |
| 15:30.26 | liable | 70debconf? where did you get that from? |
| 15:30.30 | wols_ | dbmoodb: what about? |
| 15:30.52 | dbmoodb | can he grab the .deb for apt -- how does he fix this (i'm really interested for personal reasons) |
| 15:30.59 | dbmoodb | this is for tymonn_ |
| 15:31.10 | liable | deli2323: show us your sources.list |
| 15:31.10 | tymonn_ | =) |
| 15:31.11 | themill | deli2323: it should be either in apt.conf or apt.conf.d/<filename> |
| 15:31.36 | deli2323 | I have a sources.list in /etc/apt/ |
| 15:31.37 | tymonn_ | maybe download the .deb for apt and dpkg -i apt.deb ? |
| 15:31.37 | liable | i suspect a thousand line ubuntu sources.list |
| 15:31.43 | pixelmonkey | oh, fyi killall apt-get and apt-get autoclean fixed it for me. |
| 15:31.44 | wols_ | dbmoodb: by installing it, and next time paying attention when he (re)installs stuff |
| 15:31.58 | wols_ | deli2323: SHOW it to us |
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| 15:32.34 | deli2323 | http://syntaxthug.syntaxpolice.org/~ralf/cramarance/sources.list |
| 15:32.35 | tymonn_ | wols_: i was reading a tutorial on how to fix the keyring, and there was apt-get --purge remove debian-archive-keyring, after that i lost it |
| 15:33.28 | liable | deli2323: why do you have non-us? |
| 15:33.32 | themill | deli2323: the config option should be either in apt.conf or apt.conf.d/<filename> *not* in conf.d as you told us you had put it. |
| 15:33.42 | n-iCe | Are my sources correct? http://www.asdasdasd.pastebin.com/m1626bce2 |
| 15:33.47 | liable | deli2323: how did you get that sources.list? |
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| 15:34.09 | themill | deli2323: also, you shouldn't be using "stable" you should use "etch" in your sources.list. |
| 15:34.31 | wols_ | tymonnand you shouldn't regularly mix etch and lenny |
| 15:34.37 | liable | minor point though |
| 15:34.47 | themill | liable: won't be when lenny releases. |
| 15:35.06 | Selveste1 | It can't be right that there is no utility ore management tool to control hard drives ? |
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| 15:35.19 | themill | liable: or did you mean non-US was minor? |
| 15:35.20 | Selveste1 | and Raid - for debian ! |
| 15:35.22 | wols_ | define management tool please |
| 15:35.24 | deli2323 | themill: It is in apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 15:35.37 | liable | themill: i know. but not to confuse the issue. its certainly not a debian sources.list with those comments in it |
| 15:35.49 | themill | liable: heh... fair call. |
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| 15:36.23 | tymonn_ | wols_: mix etch and lenny? |
| 15:36.27 | Selveste1 | I have to raid to of my hard drives and encrypt them - and it worked under the install of db - but how do I do now where it is installed and I have to set up 2 more hard drives |
| 15:36.28 | tymonn_ | its a fresh lenny install |
| 15:36.30 | deli2323 | liable: Do you have any suggestions about the error I now get using apt-cache or apt-get? |
| 15:36.32 | Hoshizora | I'm trying to make SCIM work with Anthy to write in japanese with my stupid keyboard but SCIM don't let me switch with the Anthy... How do I install that SCIM and Anthy to make them work??? |
| 15:36.57 | themill | liable: actually, that comment is straight out of: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 15:37.04 | wols_ | tymonn_: was for deli2323 actually |
| 15:37.15 | themill | liable: as is the use of non-US in that way |
| 15:37.17 | liable | deli2323: you need to put the correct option in the correct file, and i also have high suspicion you arent using debian anyway |
| 15:37.22 | wols_ | "!cryptoloop |
| 15:37.24 | wols_ | !cryptoloop |
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| 15:37.46 | Selveste1 | !cryptoloop |
| 15:37.46 | deli2323 | liable: Why do you suspect that I'm not using debian? |
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| 15:37.59 | macoute | themill: but isnt "stable" in sources.list the "right" way? |
| 15:38.20 | deli2323 | liable: After putting the correct option in the correct file, what move is necessary to have apt notice the change? Need something be rebooted? |
| 15:38.22 | macoute | so that you'll get distrtibution upgrades sa well without otcuhing your sources.list |
| 15:38.26 | themill | macoute: no. You'll end up with a horrid oldstable/stable mix when the next stable is released. |
| 15:38.39 | liable | deli2323: nope, just run apt-get |
| 15:38.53 | macoute | themill: why is that? where do you need oldstable when new stable is released? |
| 15:39.08 | liable | themill: indeed, thats disappointingly outdated. |
| 15:39.14 | themill | macoute: For more than a year after etch was released, we were having people come in who thought they were running sarge still but had accidentally got a sarge/etch mix. |
| 15:40.10 | macoute | themill: yes, of course you can fuck up the situation, but i'd say that for normal user it is the safest way to just use "stable" so that when new stable is released, he/she will automatically be upgraded to that one |
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| 15:40.11 | liable | in fact i cant believe that an official doc still shows that |
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| 15:40.24 | themill | macoute: The instructions for sarge->etch aren't just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade.... it's a dist-upgrade in any case and you normally have to do a few extra things in there. |
| 15:40.28 | themill | macoute: nooo!!!! |
| 15:40.30 | dbmoodb | macoute: the safest would be not to upgrade |
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| 15:41.01 | themill | macoute: if the upgrade isn't foolproof and seemless, it shouldn't be automatic. It's not so it shouldn't be. |
| 15:41.04 | dbmoodb | macoute: don't tell me you suggest people automatically update other things, say windows ? |
| 15:41.08 | dbmoodb | xp is now vista |
| 15:41.10 | deli2323 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.31 | basix | is it possible to NAT a bridge? |
| 15:41.43 | dbmoodb | basix: explain what you want to do |
| 15:41.43 | wols_ | sure, why not? |
| 15:41.53 | liable | deli2323: why are you still putting it in that file? |
| 15:41.58 | themill | deli2323: learn to spell... cache not cashe |
| 15:42.34 | liable | !mmap |
| 15:42.35 | basix | dbmoodb, wols_, well i'm using virtualbox. i have N VMs running. I want to connect them all in a virtual network ( private IPs ) and make my host act as a router for them. |
| 15:42.35 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 15:42.51 | dbmoodb | how does one check the status of a debian package in unstable on its migration path to testing ? |
| 15:42.52 | liable | deli2323: ^^^^ apt.conf |
| 15:43.00 | deli2323 | themill: Sweet! Thanks! |
| 15:43.04 | dbmoodb | basix: virtalbox uses a nat to start with... as far as i know |
| 15:43.23 | dbmoodb | i thought that was the default behaviour |
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| 15:43.40 | deli2323 | Yay, it works! |
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| 15:43.48 | themill | !typosmite deli2323 |
| 15:43.49 | dpkg | makes deli2323 raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 15:43.52 | basix | dbmoodb, yes but i am using host interface networking... |
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| 15:44.00 | dbmoodb | oh... |
| 15:44.13 | deli2323 | is happy |
| 15:44.24 | macoute | dbmoodb: actually, in most cases i do |
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| 15:44.41 | themill | deli2323: don't clap, just throw money. Or beer. |
| 15:44.46 | deli2323 | is quietly enjoying chinese translation or wra and paece in random ordr |
| 15:44.50 | macoute | dbmoodb: if i have two options, an upgraded windows or a windows running years old programs, i know which one i choose |
| 15:44.51 | basix | dbmoodb, basically i wanna create tap0, tap1 attach them to my VMs and make them talk to each other and want to NAT the bridge |
| 15:45.15 | macoute | but if i have another option, which is to test updates (which i can on servers and so on), of course i'll do upgrades manually |
| 15:45.23 | themill | macoute: you're missing the point that the automatically upgraded box is broken. |
| 15:45.52 | macoute | themill: well, it can be. that is true. |
| 15:45.58 | dbmoodb | macoute: in 50% of cases i would want to do it manually |
| 15:46.09 | dbmoodb | the other 50% is where i don't do it |
| 15:46.14 | basix | wols_, any ideas? |
| 15:46.22 | macoute | dbmoodb: me too, other is workstations (automatically) other is servers (manually) |
| 15:46.39 | macoute | and id say it goes for windows and for linuxes |
| 15:46.46 | dbmoodb | no no macoute i mean 50% i do manually the other 50% i don't upgrade at all |
| 15:46.59 | gkiagia | I have some trouble with exim here. I am trying to configure it to use smtp authentication to deliver messages to a remote smarthost but it seems to be ignoring the settings. It doesn't even try to authenticate :S |
| 15:47.00 | dbmoodb | nevermind this lets help basix |
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| 15:47.21 | gkiagia | I followed this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 and changed gmail with my smarthost |
| 15:47.22 | basix | :) |
| 15:47.23 | wols_ | basix: what VM software? |
| 15:47.29 | basix | wols_, virtualbox |
| 15:47.34 | wols_ | thought so |
| 15:47.40 | wols_ | useipmasq for the NAT |
| 15:47.41 | jmichaelx | is there a way to uncompress a source .rpm? and would there be anything wrong with compiling something for debian from such a source? |
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| 15:47.54 | dbmoodb | jmichaelx: no and there is alian |
| 15:47.58 | dbmoodb | !alien |
| 15:47.58 | dpkg | hmm... alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 15:48.25 | themill | macoute: a sarge/etch mix is a very broken box indeed. You can expect an etch/lenny box to be similarly broken give the perl (in particular) and also python transitions that have happened. |
| 15:48.47 | macoute | themill: mixes are always broken :) |
| 15:49.52 | basix | wols_, i have shorewall installed. i can masquerade using it but i want to first get all the guest VMs talking to each other. |
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| 15:50.52 | basix | wols_, this is what i've done -> created tap0, tap1 ( tunctl -t tapX -u basix ). Set the VMs to use the tap0, tap1 interfaces respectively and assigned them IPs in the same subnet. What gateway should I assign them? |
| 15:51.29 | basix | wols_, err...i missed out the part where i created the bridge ( brctl addbr br0 && brctl addif tapX )... |
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| 15:51.53 | basix | *brctl addif br0 tapX |
| 15:52.03 | wols_ | VBox usually doesn't use the OS' network interfaces IIRC |
| 15:52.05 | wols_ | !vbox |
| 15:52.05 | dpkg | somebody said virtualbox was a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:52.11 | debian__bob | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:52.16 | basix | but the VMs can't talk to each other... |
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| 15:52.39 | macoute | btw, anyone using wordpress and iceweasel from etch? |
| 15:52.46 | macoute | do you have problems uploading images? |
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| 15:53.11 | liable | i can see the death threat thing from the dpl hitting /. |
| 15:53.29 | jmichaelx | i have tried a few times to set the clock on this PC using hwclock, but when i reboot, the time is wrong again. is there a different way i should be doing this? |
| 15:53.30 | macoute | my box freezes totally when opening these dialogs in wp-admin |
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| 15:54.48 | basix | wols_, yes it doesn't but they have an option called "host networking" |
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| 15:56.22 | dbmoodb | ah i might have missed it but is there a command line tool to see where a package is on its migration from unstable to testing ? |
| 15:56.26 | n-iCe | I can't still use my network manager like this one: http://kirsten.urbanzone.com/blog/uploads/misc/ubuntu_network_manager.png |
| 15:56.27 | n-iCe | why ?? |
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| 15:57.03 | dbmoodb | n-iCe: what do you mean ? |
| 15:57.06 | JohnnyL | why does my cofniguration have one extra eth network device when I only have one physical eth device? |
| 15:57.07 | liable | n-iCe: thats just network-manager |
| 15:57.22 | n-iCe | liable, and I can't see it, on ethc i had it, now lenny doesn't show it |
| 15:57.51 | liable | n-iCe: try adding the applet to your bar thing |
| 15:58.07 | n-iCe | liable, look |
| 15:58.17 | abrotman | peels open liable's eyes |
| 15:58.24 | dbmoodb | nm-applet if there isn't an option n-iCe |
| 15:58.26 | liable | peers into the ether |
| 15:58.35 | dbmoodb | aether ? |
| 15:58.55 | liable | we dont spell it that way here |
| 15:59.29 | dbmoodb | ahm. you don't speak english then, you speak us-english. |
| 15:59.34 | n-iCe | look http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/177/screenshotql8.png dbmoodb |
| 15:59.45 | liable | no, i speak engrish |
| 15:59.45 | Selveste1 | I have to raid to of my hard drives and encrypt them - and it worked under the install of db - but how do I do now where it is installed and I have to set up 2 more hard drives ? |
| 15:59.49 | blubberdiblub | dbmoodb: http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
| 16:00.28 | dbmoodb | n-iCe: its right there its the icon of the networking things |
| 16:00.52 | dbmoodb | blubberdiblub: and from the command line ? |
| 16:00.57 | n-iCe | dbmoodb, no, doesn't show wireless connections, there is no option to, and the icon is not the same one |
| 16:00.57 | abrotman | dbmoodb: that's the gnome one .. not the nm one AFAICT |
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| 16:01.19 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 16:01.25 | blubberdiblub | dbmoodb: sorry, no idea |
| 16:01.27 | liable | you sure? my xfce one looks exactly like that |
| 16:01.38 | liable | though i cant see it right now |
| 16:01.45 | debian__bob | I am using lenny and having to set my essid manually at boot - interfaces file has the line wireless-essid myessid but it doesnt work, even though wireless-key is working. Can anyone offer some advice ? Thanks |
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| 16:02.03 | Selveste1 | Debian 4.0 - I have to raid to of my hard drives and encrypt them - and it worked under the install of db - but how do I do now where it is installed and I have to set up 2 more hard drives ? |
| 16:02.06 | liable | debian__bob: paste your ifaces file |
| 16:02.14 | dbmoodb | Selveste1: are you a bot ? |
| 16:02.16 | n-iCe | dbmoodb, yuo |
| 16:02.24 | basix | wols_, dbmoodb, if i create two tap devices tap0 tap1 and add them to bridge br0 and connect one VM to each of the tap devices and assign IP in the same subnet shouldn't they be able to ping each other? |
| 16:02.35 | dbmoodb | n-iCe: what wifi card do you have ? |
| 16:03.01 | wols_ | I wouldn't use the same subnet |
| 16:03.02 | dbmoodb | basix: "should" |
| 16:03.03 | n-iCe | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG , why? |
| 16:03.10 | n-iCe | the wireless is working |
| 16:03.14 | n-iCe | the problem is the package |
| 16:03.17 | debian__bob | auto lo |
| 16:03.18 | liable | n-iCe: have you actually read the NM docs and added yourself to the appropriate group and edited ifaces file to suit? |
| 16:03.19 | debian__bob | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:03.19 | n-iCe | i did work the wireless |
| 16:03.20 | debian__bob | auto wlan0 |
| 16:03.22 | debian__bob | iface wlan0 inet static |
| 16:03.24 | debian__bob | address 192.168.0.127 |
| 16:03.25 | debian__bob | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:03.27 | debian__bob | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 16:03.29 | debian__bob | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:03.31 | debian__bob | wireless-essid buckie |
| 16:03.33 | debian__bob | wireless-key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 16:03.35 | Selveste1 | dbmoodb - nope just Desperate ;) |
| 16:03.35 | wols_ | !paste |
| 16:03.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 16:03.50 | debian__bob | liable - sorry about the formatting... semi-noob.. |
| 16:03.58 | wols_ | full blown noob |
| 16:04.04 | basix | hehe |
| 16:04.04 | debian__bob | ha.. thanks wols |
| 16:04.05 | dbmoodb | wols_: he could just use the virtalbox nat that is done for him.... |
| 16:04.14 | liable | debian__bob: dude, for future reference, dont ever do that in here again. |
| 16:04.15 | wols_ | dbmoodb: true |
| 16:04.17 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 16:04.18 | n-iCe | si? |
| 16:04.19 | n-iCe | so? |
| 16:04.22 | debian__bob | sir... |
| 16:04.29 | basix | dbmoodb, but then i can't connect from the host back to the guest. i wanna run servers! :P |
| 16:04.38 | dbmoodb | basix: wrong |
| 16:04.47 | basix | dbmoodb, ??? |
| 16:04.53 | dbmoodb | why can't you ? |
| 16:04.59 | liable | debian__bob: and your iwconfig output shows it as not associated? |
| 16:05.06 | basix | dbmoodb, its a limitation of vbox |
| 16:05.11 | dbmoodb | oh really ? |
| 16:05.17 | basix | dbmoodb, yes... |
| 16:05.19 | liable | n-iCe: did you note my last comment? |
| 16:05.27 | dbmoodb | you could ssh tunnel stuff rofl |
| 16:05.28 | n-iCe | about users and groups? |
| 16:05.32 | debian__bob | liable: it's picking up another ap - i have to set the essid manually from shell |
| 16:05.48 | dbmoodb | (reverse tunneling :) ) |
| 16:05.50 | n-iCe | liable, about users and groups? |
| 16:06.08 | Nyle | n-iCe, what about them? |
| 16:06.08 | basix | dbmoodb, true but i'd rather setup a virtual network |
| 16:06.09 | liable | n-iCe: about group and interfaces file, yes |
| 16:06.10 | basix | wols_, i mean the my host has an IP like 192.168.0.XXX while the VMs have IPs like 192.168.100.XXX |
| 16:06.30 | debian__bob | liable: but it sets the wireless key properly |
| 16:06.36 | liable | debian__bob: hmm, only way i know how to stop it doing that is with wpasupplicant. |
| 16:06.39 | liable | debian__bob: odd |
| 16:06.39 | n-iCe | liable, well root and home are on vmnet alreadt |
| 16:06.52 | themill | dbmoodb: grep-excuses, is what you're looking for, I think, |
| 16:06.54 | n-iCe | liable, what's up with interfaces? |
| 16:06.59 | liable | n-iCe: so obviously you have no idea what i am talking about |
| 16:07.05 | wols_ | basix: I know. and I told you what I'd do |
| 16:07.12 | n-iCe | liable, maybe not, tell me |
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| 16:07.16 | n-iCe | pls |
| 16:07.16 | liable | n-iCe: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager |
| 16:07.20 | basix | wols_, what? |
| 16:07.22 | wols_ | n-iCe: vmnet? |
| 16:07.27 | wols_ | !tell n-iCe about vmware |
| 16:07.28 | liable | n-iCe: look in there for the readme |
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| 16:07.43 | n-iCe | netdev * |
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| 16:08.06 | n-iCe | Is not that what you asked me to do? |
| 16:08.21 | liable | yes you need to be in netdev group |
| 16:08.31 | n-iCe | it is already |
| 16:08.32 | n-iCe | now? |
| 16:08.35 | dbmoodb | basix: there is a good tutorial up on the internetz |
| 16:08.41 | liable | but your interfaces file also needs to be commented for those interfaces |
| 16:08.49 | flower | sorry a bit a noob question maybe... which nvidia card is better geforce4 4200TI or nvidia Quadro FX 500/600? |
| 16:08.49 | basix | dbmoodb, well google doesn't list it :( |
| 16:08.56 | dbmoodb | basix: .... really ? |
| 16:09.00 | liable | flower: try #hardware |
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| 16:09.03 | debian__bob | liable: i'll look into wpasupplicant - thanks |
| 16:09.31 | n-iCe | liable, http://www.sdasda.pastebin.com/m3b67462d |
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| 16:09.37 | liable | debian__bob: you can set priority with it, but its odd that with a key, yours is trying to associate with another ap |
| 16:09.38 | dbmoodb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346185&page=2 |
| 16:09.42 | basix | dbmoodb, host interface networking...no Reverse SSH tunneling...yes |
| 16:09.48 | flower | liable, ok thanks |
| 16:10.02 | dbmoodb | just put in ubuntu. it can make things easier at times, when your googleing |
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| 16:10.19 | liable | n-iCe: you need to comment your wireless stanzas in that file |
| 16:10.24 | JohnnyL | what's the configuration program for the network in debian? |
| 16:10.31 | liable | n-iCe: i told you to read the docs. please do so |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | vi |
| 16:11.00 | dbmoodb | JohnnyL: networking-manger of the all mighty bash |
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| 16:11.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:11.10 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:11.18 | n-iCe | liable, looks good now? http://www.sdasda.pastebin.com/m45c13f73 |
| 16:11.19 | abrotman | JohnnyL: the /etc/network/interfaces file .. use your favorite editor |
| 16:11.26 | dbmoodb | bash being the terminal, you pick the editor |
| 16:11.32 | abrotman | JohnnyL: you can use nm if you choose ... |
| 16:11.52 | liable | n-iCe: auto wlan0 |
| 16:11.57 | n-iCe | oh |
| 16:11.58 | liable | n-iCe: read the damn docs |
| 16:11.59 | n-iCe | didn't see it |
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| 16:12.19 | n-iCe | all commented |
| 16:12.20 | n-iCe | now? |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | READ DOCS |
| 16:12.51 | liable | stop networking and restart NM, or best for you to reboot.. |
| 16:12.52 | dbmoodb | !tell n-iCe about rtfm |
| 16:13.20 | n-iCe | I did, dbmoodb that's why I am here. |
| 16:13.21 | basix | wols_, dbmoodb, one question...i checked out the man pages for /etc/network/interfaces and it lists hardly any options while i see people making use of fancy options for tap interfaces, wifi interfaces, bridges...where is the documentation for the configuration options of all these interfaces? |
| 16:13.37 | abrotman | n-iCe: read them again |
| 16:13.52 | abrotman | basix: i believe at the bottom it has a "SEE ALSO: ? |
| 16:14.07 | n-iCe | liable, then all was fucked cuz I used the damn system adiministatrion network? |
| 16:14.09 | dbmoodb | well basix what do you want... wifi see the docs for that ... tuns again... see the docs. basix or google. :) |
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| 16:14.25 | abrotman | basix: the wifi stuff is in the iwconfig man page |
| 16:14.39 | Nyle | dude |
| 16:14.42 | dbmoodb | liable: that is not needed |
| 16:14.43 | Nyle | dbmoodb, you're not really helping. |
| 16:14.49 | abrotman | WHY IS IT BEEPING FUNNY |
| 16:14.51 | abrotman | grrr |
| 16:15.11 | n-iCe | Nyle, :** |
| 16:15.12 | dbmoodb | Nyle: there no. (re basix last q) |
| 16:15.27 | epoxy | hey, i reinstalled debian etch on my new raid array, and for some reason the sound is whacky and gnome (or anything?) can't seem to control it. I have my stereo system all the way up and i can barely hear it. any suggestions? |
| 16:15.38 | epoxy | it works great before |
| 16:15.47 | abrotman | epoxy: did you raise all the levels? including PCM ? |
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| 16:15.52 | basix | abrotman, i saw the SEE ALSO section... :| |
| 16:15.55 | liable | n-iCe: huh? |
| 16:16.06 | n-iCe | haha nvm thanks i will try |
| 16:16.06 | liable | dbmoodb: what? |
| 16:16.19 | vadmeste | epoxy, adduser your_username audio ? |
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| 16:16.30 | epoxy | abrotman, sure did |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | on all sound devices? |
| 16:17.16 | epoxy | via.. gnome applet or what? |
| 16:17.32 | abrotman | or alsa mixer .. but the gnome bit might be easier |
| 16:17.33 | dbmoodb | to restart network-manager he can just stop and start network-manager... /etc/init.d/network-manager.... stop or /etc/dbus (don't remember the full path) /event.d/25Networ.. and 26... stop |
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| 16:17.41 | abrotman | you can change 'cards' if you have more than one |
| 16:17.50 | epoxy | abrotman, tried ALSA and OSS |
| 16:17.58 | epoxy | i am using onboard |
| 16:17.59 | themill | dbmoodb: you've seen him action here... do you think he's going to be able to any of those things correctly? |
| 16:18.19 | abrotman | epoxy: you did double check the plugs right ? |
| 16:18.24 | vadmeste | epoxy, any error message ? |
| 16:18.28 | liable | dbmoodb: sure, you can fuck around explaining that for half and hour, or he can reboot. trust me when i know which is easiest |
| 16:18.31 | dbmoodb | themill:hopefully. or at least he will be quiet and google for the answer. |
| 16:18.49 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you're new here aren't you? |
| 16:18.59 | themill | dbmoodb: do you see any evidence that he's going to do that either? |
| 16:19.04 | dbmoodb | no |
| 16:19.10 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you're new here aren't you? |
| 16:19.13 | epoxy | vadmeste, not that i can find. i still hear sound if i turn my stereo way up. where it is now, it would normally blow my speakers. but it is ust enough to get a little bass going.. barely any volume |
| 16:19.15 | dbmoodb | yes ? |
| 16:19.29 | abrotman | epoxy: did it work okay before in linux, or just in windows? |
| 16:19.39 | themill | dbmoodb: never underestimate what will happen on sunday.... |
| 16:19.46 | abrotman | including dbmoodb |
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| 16:20.42 | dbmoodb | themill: ...? what are you referring too ... bored trolls ? |
| 16:20.46 | basix | wols_, dbmoodb: okay one problem... i created tap0, tap1, added them to bridge br0. gave the bridge an IP 192.168.100.1, VMs ( connected to tap0, tap1 ) have IPs 192.168.100.10, 192.168.100.20. When I fire them up, they're able to ping each other but the moment I start up shorewall they can't talk to each other. Why? Shorewall is supposed to masquerade br0 ( local ) while eth1 is net |
| 16:20.50 | epoxy | abrotman, it worked great yesterday.. with debian etch |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | dbmoodb: how about you just drop it |
| 16:20.59 | abrotman | epoxy: what did you install/update ? |
| 16:21.05 | epoxy | i just redid everything last night for my new raid array :-/ |
| 16:21.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:21.26 | abrotman | epoxy: perhaps an option to your sound module ? |
| 16:21.27 | dbmoodb | abrotman: ? |
| 16:21.36 | Bac9 | does anyone know if there are any problems with http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals/serial-ata_raid/vt6421a/ under Linux, and which kernel version to use? |
| 16:21.41 | epoxy | could be.. it's weird |
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| 16:22.08 | abrotman | Bac9: depends what you mean by problems .. i'm going to guess it's fakeraid .. so you'd have to use swraid anyways |
| 16:22.12 | epoxy | the volume bars in XMMS, gnome applet, totem, etc dont do anything |
| 16:22.17 | epoxy | which they did before |
| 16:22.19 | epoxy | hehe |
| 16:22.27 | vadmeste | epoxy, alsamixer ? |
| 16:22.33 | epoxy | yes |
| 16:22.39 | epoxy | mutes and listens to music |
| 16:22.42 | abrotman | epoxy: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 16:23.12 | Bac9 | abrotman: I don't intend to use it for raid, I just want to make sure there's a Linux kernel version ot there that can address both the pata and sata interfaces |
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| 16:23.28 | Bac9 | abrotman: I can't seem to find any worthwhile reviews on the internet |
| 16:23.49 | abrotman | i'd check kernel docs/faqs |
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| 16:23.53 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 16:23.53 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 16:24.16 | Bac9 | abrotman: I just don't want to get something and then find out it doesn't detect attached devices under Linux |
| 16:24.30 | liable | the bars, they do nothing! |
| 16:24.47 | abrotman | Bac9: (link) VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 and VT6421L PCI chips â fakeraid. A libata-dev patch was posted on 2005-02-06. |
| 16:25.06 | wd | how do i find out what orinico / pcmcia driver i'm using? |
| 16:25.13 | epoxy | hm, reconfiged with alsa and oss... exact same though |
| 16:25.24 | liable | wd: modinfo orinoco |
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| 16:25.30 | wd | liable: ty |
| 16:25.32 | Bac9 | abrotman: a patch for what though? |
| 16:25.47 | Bac9 | abrotman: a raid patch or actually making the device work patch? |
| 16:25.52 | liable | wd: may be orinoco-cs iirc |
| 16:26.05 | wd | liable: ok |
| 16:26.07 | liable | wd: lsmod for a clue |
| 16:26.26 | wd | liable: wd@debian_powerbook:~$ sudo lsmod |
| 16:26.26 | wd | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 16:26.39 | liable | nonono |
| 16:26.43 | wd | liable: something's loaded because i have access |
| 16:27.16 | Bac9 | abrotman: although I am more concerned with pata then sata at the moment, I'd still like to make sure both worked |
| 16:28.05 | basix | wols_, dbmoodb ??? |
| 16:28.19 | dbmoodb | basix: ask wols_ i don't know much remember |
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| 16:28.52 | enouf | liable: haha, i love it, modinfo tab completes ;-) |
| 16:29.27 | enouf | wd: lshal | grep drivers, it's one of those |
| 16:29.35 | enouf | er driver |
| 16:29.44 | wd | enouf: ok |
| 16:29.47 | abrotman | Bac9: unless you're going to send me the board .. i can only point you at the kernel channel or google |
| 16:29.53 | liable | enouf: you and your bash knowledge! |
| 16:30.11 | enouf | nah, i suck , but thanks |
| 16:30.16 | wd | enouf: i did dmseg.. xirc2ps_cs.c 1.31 1998/12/09 19:32:55 (dd9jn+kvh) |
| 16:30.16 | wd | orinoco.c 0.13d (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others) |
| 16:30.16 | wd | hermes.c: 4 Dec 2002 David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> |
| 16:30.16 | wd | orinoco_cs.c 0.13d (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others) |
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| 16:30.25 | enouf | why?!! |
| 16:30.32 | themill | dpkg: tell wd about paste |
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| 16:30.35 | wd | sorry |
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| 16:31.12 | Bac9 | abrotman: but those don't really say if the chipset works or not, I am looking at coltech cc-t47 board |
| 16:31.15 | wd | enouf: could u paste that last command for me |
| 16:31.30 | wd | enouf: i got kicked and lost it |
| 16:31.31 | enouf | seems like you're not even close to being booted into a debian system, lmao |
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| 16:32.06 | wd | enouf: ? |
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| 16:32.29 | wd | enouf: running sarge. |
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| 16:33.13 | enouf | wd: and? |
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| 16:33.28 | enouf | what is the issue son? |
| 16:34.15 | wd | enouf: well father i want to use scanning on my silver card but i'm trying to see what version driver the kernel is using. |
| 16:34.34 | enouf | wd: liable told you |
| 16:34.47 | enouf | wd: you won;t have hal lshal, likely |
| 16:35.12 | wd | enouf: i got kicked for pasting many lines and didn't complete writing that command. |
| 16:35.43 | enouf | you could install hwinfo and | grep modprobe .. or --netcard .. or others |
| 16:36.06 | wd | enouf: ty |
| 16:37.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.34 | wd | enouf: ty |
| 16:37.42 | enouf | then modinfo that - even modinfo -v |
| 16:38.52 | enouf | er crap, not -v, just use regular ;-) |
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| 16:39.15 | wd | enouf: ty |
| 16:39.28 | enouf | it's -V :-P |
| 16:39.42 | enouf | !10q |
| 16:39.42 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character. |
| 16:39.49 | enouf | ;-) |
| 16:39.49 | Jyzygzy- | The VirtualBox support driver which is running is from a different version of VirtualBox. You can correct this by stopping all running instances of VirtualBox and reinstalling the software.. |
| 16:39.54 | Jyzygzy- | so what does this mean in Debian? |
| 16:40.28 | Jyzygzy- | apt-get upgrade caused that error |
| 16:40.28 | enouf | it means .. see #virtualbox |
| 16:40.40 | Jyzygzy- | well they don't know about debian implementations |
| 16:41.02 | enouf | and we know about virtual box implementations? |
| 16:41.19 | Jyzygzy- | well maybe someone is the package maintainer |
| 16:41.27 | enouf | debian doesn't have any implementation of that |
| 16:41.34 | enouf | or do we? |
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| 16:41.48 | dbmoodb | virtualbox is in lenny |
| 16:41.53 | Jyzygzy- | well "apt-cache search virtualbox" |
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| 16:42.00 | Jyzygzy- | and see for yourself |
| 16:42.31 | enouf | oh crap, we do |
| 16:42.33 | enouf | :-/ |
| 16:42.36 | Jyzygzy- | ya you do |
| 16:42.37 | enouf | hides |
| 16:42.42 | Jyzygzy- | you better hide |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | so try reinstalling the software |
| 16:42.56 | Jyzygzy- | like --reinstall |
| 16:43.02 | Jyzygzy- | usually that solves nothing in debian =D |
| 16:43.08 | enouf | pokes into the light with a stick randomly |
| 16:43.22 | dbmoodb | Jyzygzy-: also i suggest you check you have the right modules for your kernel. |
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| 16:43.31 | dbmoodb | (you get him /her too) |
| 16:43.47 | enouf | you likely have mismatched kernel module versions |
| 16:43.50 | Jyzygzy- | "The VirtualBox support driver" i suspect that means a Kernel module |
| 16:44.14 | enouf | well it ain't X11 :-P |
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| 16:44.37 | Hy71194 | wonders if anyone knows the IRC server name of #Demonoid.. |
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| 16:44.52 | Jyzygzy- | i don't know what apt did to brake |
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| 16:47.02 | n-iCe | wow, my update manager is not anymore, how can I recover it? |
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| 16:47.33 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: break |
| 16:48.04 | Jyzygzy- | o.o |
| 16:48.14 | Jyzygzy- | i never seem to get that word right |
| 16:48.22 | abrotman | i noticed :) |
| 16:48.49 | Jyzygzy- | keep noticing and maybe i learn it in few months |
| 16:49.13 | dbmoodb | Jyzygzy-: hopefully there will be no more breaking of software |
| 16:49.47 | Jyzygzy- | i hope so |
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| 16:50.48 | Jyzygzy- | maybe ill change to some other virtualization software then |
| 16:50.53 | dbmoodb | general question ... i see that debian has gone the ubuntu route and added searching for a package if you try and issue a command (say kismet isn't installed and you type kismet it will search for kismet...) how can i / do i turn this feature off ? |
| 16:51.07 | abrotman | you turned that on |
| 16:51.16 | Jyzygzy- | im not gonna start guessing their cryptic bullshit errors |
| 16:51.28 | xingu | has one of those wtf moments |
| 16:51.35 | dbmoodb | abrotman: i did no such thing |
| 16:51.37 | abrotman | !beer xingu |
| 16:51.37 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for xingu |
| 16:51.45 | Jyzygzy- | anyone have the vmware 6.5? |
| 16:51.50 | abrotman | dbmoodb: yes, you either turned it on or installed a package to do it .. |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: #vmware |
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| 16:52.41 | dbmoodb | abrotman: i might have. i might have not. you try it and perhaps tell me next time i rejoin debian if you find the package / feature perhaps :) |
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| 16:52.55 | abrotman | what an ass |
| 16:53.08 | basix | anybody...i'm very near to cracking my problem...someone please tell me how do i NAT a bridge with two tap interfaces?? |
| 16:53.21 | xingu | abrotman: got a bombadier cooling at the moment as it happens :) |
| 16:53.39 | valdyn | simple bash completion is on by default |
| 16:53.52 | xingu | s/bad/bard/ |
| 16:54.16 | abrotman | valdyn: but not the bit where it tells you what provides the binary if you don't have it installed |
| 16:55.32 | liable | we even have that? |
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| 16:55.48 | xingu | abrotman: the wtf moment is coming to the realisation that not only did this broadcaster ship their transport stream with the audio subtitle track as the _default_, but that the players I have for 'doze can't deal with the resulting mess - as far as they're concerned it seems, it's not possible to have multiple audio tracks on anything other than a dvd |
| 16:56.15 | abrotman | evil! |
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| 16:56.27 | xingu | abrotman: mplayer of course can deal with it no sweat - two taps of the # key... |
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| 16:56.54 | liable | dont get him started |
| 16:56.56 | xingu | abrotman: time for a little recoding I think |
| 16:57.34 | wd | enouf: umm hwinfo got me this..Driver Info #0: Driver Status: orinoco_cs is not active |
| 16:57.52 | wd | enouf: i tried to modprobe and got error |
| 16:57.58 | liable | wd: what exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 16:58.10 | xingu | observes that either openssh-server or pscp are still using the crappy old 4k block size |
| 16:58.17 | xingu | wonders which |
| 16:58.23 | liable | here we go |
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| 16:59.50 | wd | liable: ii was told the orinoco driver 0.13 will do iwlist scanniing for ap.. dmesg shows that i think.. see. |
| 17:00.00 | wd | liable: orinoco.c 0.13d (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others) |
| 17:00.08 | debian__bob | liable: wireless problem solved. i was hiding the essid on the router, although this did not bother my windows boxes.. |
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| 17:00.16 | liable | wd: and it doesnt scan? |
| 17:00.22 | liable | debian__bob: ah |
| 17:00.22 | debian__bob | liable:debian didn't like it... |
| 17:00.37 | buntfalke | VLC complains "[00000337] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `h264'." Suggestions? Which package is missing? |
| 17:00.40 | xingu | yay for code like this! 01885 char transbuf[4096]; |
| 17:00.44 | liable | debian__bob: yup, wpasupp can work around that telling the driver to probe ssid |
| 17:00.46 | xingu | 01888 blksize = 4096; |
| 17:00.55 | wd | liable: wd@debian_powerbook:~$ sudo iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 17:00.56 | wd | eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported |
| 17:01.09 | xingu | people actually use putty? |
| 17:01.17 | xingu | parties like it's 1962 |
| 17:01.58 | pipeline | wd: had ou considered that eth0 is not, perhaps, your wireless interface? |
| 17:01.59 | wd | liable: but now i'm more confused because dmesg shows orinoco but hwinfo shows.. Driver Status: orinoco_cs is not active |
| 17:02.13 | wd | pipeline: oh no. |
| 17:02.15 | debian__bob | liable: i'm happy to be up running without having to manually config the essid.. that will do for now - cheers |
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| 17:02.18 | liable | wd: is it up? |
| 17:02.31 | pipeline | wd: Powerbooks nearly all have a wired interface. Eth0 is probably that. |
| 17:02.31 | diepes | wd: iwconfig |
| 17:02.31 | wd | liable: yes, i'm ssh into laptop |
| 17:03.14 | liable | wd: paste your ifconfig -a and iwconfig output to pastebot |
| 17:03.38 | assasukasse | in order to be safe, i wanna backup my whole lenny install into another partition what tool should i use? rsync -Pavv / /mnt/backup is fine? |
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| 17:06.34 | wd | liable: pastebot? |
| 17:06.42 | liable | !paste |
| 17:06.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:06.59 | Joelito | hi all, Does anyone how to solve the slow scrolling with debian testing + gnome + compiz? |
| 17:07.28 | Nuba1 | hi there, I've been driving myself crazy trying to get my smtp auth to work for receiving mail via postfix... I get the dreaded Relay denied 554 every time... I'm using dovecot with saslauthd for pop3 and imap |
| 17:07.31 | Nuba1 | can anyone help? |
| 17:08.16 | liable | Joelito: prolly best off asking in one of the compiz forums |
| 17:08.41 | liable | Nuba1: check out the workaround.org tutorial for postfix |
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| 17:10.02 | Nuba1 | I've also got ispconfig installed... which could be half the problem, but I've had this working many a time, and looked at tens of tutorials... |
| 17:10.10 | Nuba1 | still I'll look at the one u mention, thanks |
| 17:10.41 | buntfalke | How to make mplayer do the same as 'vlc udp://@:1234' does? |
| 17:11.17 | liable | is ispconfig the new webmin? |
| 17:11.21 | wd | liable: the ip info was deleted.. but here it is. http://rafb.net/p/kbuyP668.html |
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| 17:12.10 | Nuba1 | liable: no its meant for isp providers |
| 17:12.15 | liable | wd: and your iwconfig output? wtf is gre0?? |
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| 17:12.21 | Nuba1 | does virtual hosts/users/sites |
| 17:12.26 | Nuba1 | qutie complete software |
| 17:12.29 | Nuba1 | quite |
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| 17:13.39 | wd | liable: http://rafb.net/p/zfCv1g32.html |
| 17:13.44 | simonrvn | bit like the old ispman |
| 17:13.45 | wd | liable: iwconfig ^^ |
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| 17:14.31 | liable | wd: that looks like its associated, whats the problem? |
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| 17:15.02 | liable | wd: btw, you dont need to hide your internal ip's from us ;) |
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| 17:15.24 | Jyzygzy- | aptitude search foobar | pastebinit |
| 17:15.29 | Jyzygzy- | seriosly why doesn't taht work |
| 17:15.46 | wd | liable: not you anybody using rafb |
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| 17:16.31 | liable | anybody doesnt care |
| 17:16.47 | wd | ok |
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| 17:17.24 | liable | wd: so whats the actuall problem anyway? |
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| 17:19.27 | enouf | xingu: ? HugeBuffer Support ! .. where is it !!?? :-) |
| 17:19.57 | dimir | Huge Boobs! |
| 17:20.02 | blameless | i don't suppose anything odd happened to xorg in testing? suddenly my machine can't find edid data from the monitor and I can't get xorg to startup |
| 17:20.04 | liable | enouf: dont get him started! |
| 17:20.11 | xingu | enouf: ... "because performance is optional" |
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| 17:20.14 | wd | liable: http://rafb.net/p/5eyorB37.html |
| 17:20.36 | enouf | xingu: ... |
| 17:20.37 | xingu | twats liable with an icecube |
| 17:20.51 | liable | wd: but whats the problem? |
| 17:20.56 | wd | liable: trying to load orinoco so i could use scanning |
| 17:20.58 | scorch | after I've kept an ssh session open to one of my debian machines for a while I get disconnected, and get "connection refused" for a couple of minutes afterwards when I try to reconnect. The machine doesn't reboot (unless "uptime" lies to me). Fresh install. Could it be that the ethernet card might be broken? |
| 17:21.20 | wd | liable: i see that in dmesg i have 0.13 version which allows for scanning |
| 17:21.22 | liable | wd: eek, you are using a 2.4 kernel |
| 17:21.26 | TiMiDo | loves debian =) |
| 17:21.40 | SeveredCross | 2.4 kernel? Good god. |
| 17:21.46 | wd | liable: i have to old world mac / powerbook 1400 |
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| 17:22.00 | enouf | wd: doesn't that require like some sort of "Promiscuous" mode as opposed to say "Managed" mode? |
| 17:22.04 | SeveredCross | Er, the 2.6 kernels don't have support for old world Mac's? |
| 17:22.10 | liable | wd: does it not work with a etch kernel? |
| 17:22.22 | enouf | wd: modinfo <modulename> |
| 17:22.25 | enouf | last time |
| 17:22.38 | enouf | look at all the parms |
| 17:22.40 | wd | enouf: didn't work |
| 17:22.44 | buntfalke | how to get h264 support in vlc? |
| 17:22.45 | liable | wd: an etch 2.6? |
| 17:22.53 | enouf | he's on sarge |
| 17:22.57 | enouf | likely 2.4.27 |
| 17:23.14 | wd | 2.4.30-pre |
| 17:23.15 | enouf | wd: insmod orinoco |
| 17:23.18 | enouf | omg |
| 17:23.31 | SeveredCross | buntfalke: VLC should have it by default, though you can try installing libx264. |
| 17:23.45 | liable | laters |
| 17:23.51 | buntfalke | SeveredCross: debian doesn have that in cause of patent cra |
| 17:23.53 | buntfalke | crap |
| 17:23.54 | enouf | wd: upgrade that hunk of crap |
| 17:24.04 | enouf | liable: latez mate |
| 17:24.14 | SeveredCross | Could've sworn it did, though I use debian-multimedia anyway. |
| 17:24.26 | SeveredCross | And yeah, upgrade that to at least Etch, there should be no reason you can't do that. |
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| 17:25.08 | enouf | how come he clammed up now? :-/ |
| 17:25.20 | SeveredCross | No idea. |
| 17:25.30 | enouf | !clamsmite wd |
| 17:25.42 | SeveredCross | I don';t particularly know why he'd have to use sarge for an Old World Mac. |
| 17:25.58 | enouf | no friggin clue |
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| 17:26.05 | jelly-home | !test |
| 17:26.06 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:26.18 | wd | here |
| 17:26.23 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 17:26.23 | dpkg | i guess qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 17:26.38 | buntfalke | SeveredCross: is installed |
| 17:26.52 | SeveredCross | buntfalke: Hmm. No idea. |
| 17:27.37 | wd | enouf: sorry having a time insmod |
| 17:28.15 | enouf | oh the joy? |
| 17:29.55 | wd | i hate this damn kernel |
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| 17:30.20 | wd | everything good is on 2.6 and etch and up |
| 17:31.10 | kdag | how can i make my dafault font the one i can set up manually at every boot with: setfont -v path/to/consolefot |
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| 17:31.33 | kdag | im tired of changing that manually |
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| 17:32.09 | oren | is there a difference between apt-cache and aptitude search? |
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| 17:33.02 | Jyzygzy- | lol it looks like my CD-rom really broke |
| 17:33.10 | Jyzygzy- | mounting commands just hang until i open tray |
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| 17:33.17 | wd | enouf: haha.. because the only howto out there for my ancient hardware was using woody and i chance sarge come on don't roast me.. |
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| 17:33.36 | Jyzygzy- | its funny how the console goes totally numb |
| 17:33.42 | wd | enouf: plus i had to go through alot with them damn mklinux boot and os9 |
| 17:33.49 | Jyzygzy- | you can't do anything other to revive it than to open the tray |
| 17:34.11 | enouf | wd: but now it's working, i'm sure you can upgrade |
| 17:34.14 | wd | enouf: i wish i could use 2.6 and etch |
| 17:34.28 | enouf | why can't you? |
| 17:34.43 | kdag | always surprised of how usefull is this channel... |
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| 17:34.56 | Buck | hai guys |
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| 17:34.59 | wd | enouf: i tried with the other old laptop and etch adds new kernel 2.6 and udev and my pcmcia card did't recognise |
| 17:35.00 | Jyzygzy- | hai |
| 17:35.08 | Buck | if my server refuses to boot up, what logs should I look at to find out what's wrong? |
| 17:35.36 | Jyzygzy- | Buck how does this refusal show? |
| 17:35.54 | Buck | by not responding to anything, leaving any connection attempts to time out |
| 17:36.02 | Buck | pinging gets no response either |
| 17:36.05 | enouf | wd: it has to .. just some messed up udev/hal/dbus hotplug issues |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | Buck: is your network working on the server? |
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| 17:36.18 | Buck | yeah |
| 17:36.22 | Buck | booting via rescue cd and chrooting allows the server to work fine |
| 17:36.24 | Nyle | debian |
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| 17:36.42 | abrotman | Buck: that's nto really the question .. does the system boot all the way or not ? |
| 17:36.46 | Buck | no |
| 17:36.54 | abrotman | where does it stop? |
| 17:36.59 | Buck | I don't know |
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| 17:37.05 | enouf | kdag: iinm. i think in /etc/console/*-config ? |
| 17:37.29 | wd | enouf: haha oh you veterans.. make us newbies feel at home. lol.. |
| 17:37.53 | enouf | file:///etc/console-tools/config kdag |
| 17:38.09 | wd | enouf: i'm already experiancing emerging withdrawals.. lol |
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| 17:38.25 | enouf | wd: ship it to me, i'll make it work :-P |
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| 17:38.41 | wd | enouf: ok.. bottom line.. don't laugh. |
| 17:38.46 | wd | enouf: i'm scared |
| 17:38.47 | wd | lol |
| 17:39.04 | enouf | dang .. what's that factoid |
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| 17:39.15 | enouf | you're lucky i forget it ;-) |
| 17:39.33 | Buck | abrotman, so which logs should I look at? |
| 17:39.55 | wd | enouf: omg.. install OS9, then mklinux.. insert file into mac dir,, install kernel, reboot into linux, install deb..omg |
| 17:39.56 | wd | geeeez |
| 17:39.58 | abrotman | Buck: how are you going to look at logs? the system doesn't boot .. and you have no monitor hooked up apparently |
| 17:40.14 | wd | enouf: and you're telling me to upgrade to etch and 2.6.. lol |
| 17:40.18 | enouf | !mock wd |
| 17:40.18 | Buck | the host set up a rescue cd, I booted from it and chrooted the server abrotman |
| 17:40.18 | dpkg | mocks wd with cheese and chicken feet |
| 17:40.23 | wd | hehe |
| 17:40.24 | enouf | bah |
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| 17:40.28 | Buck | chrooted the main drive, even |
| 17:40.44 | abrotman | Buck: syslog or messages .. but it may not have any useful info .. i'd hook a monitor to the server |
| 17:40.56 | enouf | !pal wd |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | points at wd and laughs |
| 17:41.24 | enouf | fuck .. i did it in PM .. and she laughed uproariously |
| 17:41.30 | Buck | =\ |
| 17:41.40 | wd | enouf: gentoo sounds nice on this..but come on i had to face the fact of compiling everything on 32mb ram, 166mhz, 2gb hd was stupid. |
| 17:41.46 | Buck | abrotman, are there any decent hardware diagnostic utilities? |
| 17:41.46 | wd | enouf: good ol debian.. yay. |
| 17:42.04 | enouf | wd: you've seen the light my son ;-) |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | you still need a monitor |
| 17:42.07 | wd | enouf: even if it's risc. |
| 17:42.21 | enouf | wd: p4 were too :-p |
| 17:42.25 | wd | enouf: yes father.. i have. now to get passed all the damn runlevels. |
| 17:42.26 | wd | lol |
| 17:42.41 | wd | geeez |
| 17:42.45 | abrotman | Buck: you could try memtest .. but i'd guess it's misconfigured |
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| 17:42.49 | Buck | thanks |
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| 17:43.22 | wd | enouf: i might ship this out to debian and let them take a crack.. will they ship it back? lol |
| 17:43.34 | wd | enouf: or you. |
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| 17:43.52 | Buck | abrotman, is monit sufficient? |
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| 17:43.55 | enouf | wd: oh.. wait .. the installer IIRC required a minimum of 48MB RAM .. but you say you did have Etch on there? or Etch without the kernel? lmao |
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| 17:44.24 | abrotman | i can't believe you don't have a monitor to hook up to it |
| 17:44.28 | TiMiDo | Hey can someone help me with this error that I'm getting please? http://pastebin.ca/1058299 |
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| 17:45.29 | abrotman | !find File/Copy.pm etch |
| 17:45.32 | wd | enouf: no i tried etch and failed |
| 17:45.50 | TiMiDo | Interesting |
| 17:45.53 | enouf | wd: did it boot fully? |
| 17:45.58 | TiMiDo | !find file/Copy.pm lenny |
| 17:46.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'File/Copy.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/File/Copy.pm) in perl/perl-modules. |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | TiMiDo: be patient .. the bot is slow |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | TiMiDo: aptitude install perl-modules |
| 17:46.23 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.35 | TiMiDo | thnx abrotman |
| 17:46.36 | wd | enouf: i'm using my ppc deb sarge now |
| 17:47.03 | wd | enouf: see i did something that couldn't be done.. hehe.. give me my props DAD. |
| 17:47.33 | enouf | Attaboy! \o/ |
| 17:47.40 | wd | enouf: two books old azz hell pushing deb..coming from gentoo world. |
| 17:47.43 | wd | oh yea |
| 17:48.10 | wd | feels the power... no back to reality. |
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| 17:48.50 | wd | i have to say debian rules.. if it can run on these old machines.. i'm loyal. |
| 17:49.09 | wd | just misses emerge. |
| 17:49.45 | Nuba1 | u miss waiting for things to compile :-) ? |
| 17:49.47 | wd | enouf: i'll try 2.6 and etch and see how goes it. |
| 17:49.47 | Mantaar | wd: you'll learn to appreciate apt-get. I went through the same some months ago ;-) |
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| 17:50.04 | wd | Nuba1: sick huh? |
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| 17:50.16 | enouf | wd: well .. make sure you can do so on 32MB |
| 17:50.16 | wd | Mantaar: so you feel me? lol |
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| 17:50.22 | Nuba1 | well u can always install source debs |
| 17:50.31 | wd | enouf: ok |
| 17:50.35 | enouf | wd: hang on a minute |
| 17:51.12 | wd | enouf: oh yea... check it. :) |
| 17:51.15 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.15 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.15 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.32 | wd | enouf: debian rules. |
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| 17:56.31 | wd | see you guys.. i'm gonna try etch upgrade and 2.6 kernel. thanks. |
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| 17:57.27 | scorch | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=597633&cid=23971927 <-- heh, global uppvärmning är ingen fara ju |
| 17:57.38 | scorch | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:57.45 | enouf | wd: you'd make an awesome promoter :-P .. but hang on |
| 17:58.05 | enouf | !customer |
| 17:58.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 18:01.40 | Gm4n | my server is crashing excessively. Where should I start my search for the culprit? |
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| 18:02.12 | Bushmills | Gm4n: CPU temperature and RAM |
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| 18:02.39 | Gm4n | Bushmills: this is a remote box, I don't have physical access :/ |
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| 18:02.52 | ronnyr | hey guys |
| 18:02.59 | Bushmills | you can still monitor temperature |
| 18:03.06 | ronnyr | I'm experiencing burning an audio cd in debian |
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| 18:03.19 | ronnyr | I am using GnomeBaker but it always fails. |
| 18:03.34 | Gm4n | how do I monitor temperature? |
| 18:03.50 | Chris| | Gm4n are you on a laptop? if so type acpi -t |
| 18:03.55 | Bushmills | through mbmon, acpi or lm-sensors |
| 18:04.13 | ronnyr | Its really urgent... And I would really really appreciate if someone could help me |
| 18:04.39 | Gm4n | Chris|: not a laptop, a box in a facility somewhere |
| 18:05.12 | Jyzygzy- | whats the name of the default X display? |
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| 18:05.24 | Bushmills | Jyzygzy-: :0 |
| 18:05.32 | Chris| | ronnyr have you tried serpentine? |
| 18:05.40 | ronnyr | what is that |
| 18:05.42 | Jyzygzy- | DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo Error: unable to open display :0 |
| 18:05.48 | Chris| | a disk burning application |
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| 18:05.58 | Chris| | or brasero works good for burning audio cds |
| 18:06.24 | Jyzygzy- | oh yea i forgot that i have to be the same user |
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| 18:06.41 | abrotman | Gm4n: servers have acpi too |
| 18:06.47 | Jyzygzy- | hmmmmmmm |
| 18:07.09 | Jyzygzy- | damn |
| 18:07.17 | Gm4n | acpi says no support for device: battery / thermal |
| 18:07.25 | abrotman | how old is the server? |
| 18:07.30 | ronnyr | Chris: I am geting: Could not download sources. Please use apt-cache update or use --fix-missing |
| 18:07.42 | abrotman | ronnyr: try brasero |
| 18:07.53 | Gm4n | no idea, abrotman... I signed up for a plan that has the stats listed, not the actual hardware |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:08.04 | ronnyr | abrotman: Icant get the source |
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| 18:09.47 | ronnyr | any idea why gnomebaker would abort at "Fixating"? |
| 18:09.48 | Chris| | ronnyr perhaps this will work? http://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/brasero |
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| 18:11.25 | cyzie | how do i verify if the kernel has support for smp ? |
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| 18:12.21 | hardcampa | it says SMP if you run uname -a |
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| 18:13.57 | cyzie | surprinsly it does not |
| 18:14.08 | cyzie | so i wanan check if the kernel is compile with smp though |
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| 18:16.04 | Eulex | cyzie, if it doesn't, it's not. what kernel is it? |
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| 18:16.48 | Gm4n | I've been looking in kern.log for anything relating to my server crash, but there's nothing. Anywhere else I should be hunting? |
| 18:17.28 | Gm4n | odd... for one of my hard drives, it says "Unable to find swap-space signature" |
| 18:18.26 | cyzie | Eulex, 2.6.24-18-386 #1 Wed May 28 19:30:01 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:18.59 | Gm4n | what does it mean if swapon says invalid argument for a swap partition? |
| 18:19.05 | Eulex | cyzie, get the corresponding -686 kernel; that one will have smp support |
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| 18:19.38 | Eulex | Gm4n, dunno, but I'd make sure I really is running swapon on the correct device, then try mkswap on it |
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| 18:20.08 | wols_ | Gm4n: file -s <device file of swap partition> |
| 18:20.18 | Gm4n | worked great, thanks Eulex :) |
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| 18:20.26 | cyzie | alright Eulex will check i |
| 18:20.28 | cyzie | it |
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| 18:21.08 | Eulex | cyzie, -386 kernels do not have smp support |
| 18:21.12 | n-iCe | how do I install kernel headers and sources, as well as all packages required for building kernel modules. |
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| 18:21.31 | cyzie | Eulex, yeap, guess so. thanks Eulex |
| 18:21.32 | wols_ | cyzie: #ubuntu questions are supportewd in #ubuntu |
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| 18:21.43 | wols_ | Eulex: afaik you give bad advice here. not your fault |
| 18:22.00 | cyzie | wols_, yeap, i have x/ubuntu, debian, fedora, centos. |
| 18:22.01 | Eulex | wols_, ok, sorry |
| 18:22.24 | wols_ | don't be sorry. cyzie should be |
| 18:22.35 | cyzie | LoL |
| 18:22.36 | cyzie | noh |
| 18:22.48 | wols_ | cyzie: is this kernel a debian kernel? |
| 18:22.58 | wols_ | and if so, where did you download it? |
| 18:23.16 | cyzie | :) |
| 18:23.18 | Eulex | hmm yeah, debian doesn't have a 2.6.24-18 kernel |
| 18:23.38 | wols_ | cyzie: ALL the help you got was simply, utterly wrong and useless. you wasted our time and your own. now go to #ubuntu |
| 18:23.49 | n-iCe | how do I install kernel headers and sources, as well as all packages required for building kernel modules. |
| 18:24.15 | wols_ | nikro: why headers _and_ sources? that'S redundant |
| 18:25.11 | n-iCe | wols_, that says the manual wols_ , wha should I do |
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| 18:25.27 | wols_ | nikro: what driver or module is it? |
| 18:25.42 | wols_ | n-iCe^^ |
| 18:25.49 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 18:25.50 | n-iCe | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=iwl3945 |
| 18:26.00 | cyzie | wols_, it's not exactly same but it is similar. any help is great! any win is good! i think it's good we have few answer here and there. there is no need to bash someone here and there. |
| 18:26.23 | wols_ | cyzie: there is a lot of need to bash you. now please stop this |
| 18:26.36 | wols_ | and you still don't gte it: that help was useless |
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| 18:27.31 | n-iCe | me? |
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| 18:29.25 | kdag | ei enouf thanks for you answer on how to set the console font, rebooting to try it out |
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| 18:29.44 | kdag | (phps i dont need to rebbot |
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| 18:30.55 | Jyzygzy- | is there a xfce-desktop package? |
| 18:31.02 | Jyzygzy- | or something similiar |
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| 18:31.27 | Gnurdux | xfce4? |
| 18:31.46 | Gnurdux | just do apt-get install xfce4 |
| 18:31.51 | Jyzygzy- | lol |
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| 18:37.54 | kanzure | So. I plugged in a second monitor to the laptop. Switching screens via CTRL+ALT+Fx turns off the monitor and turns on the laptop's LCD, where I get anything that's not screen 7, where my X session is running. How did this happen? |
| 18:38.08 | kanzure | This is not normal behavior. Usually the system just keeps everything on the monitor. |
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| 18:41.58 | valdyn | kanzure: the console is where the bios puts it, X is where the X driver puts it |
| 18:42.14 | valdyn | kanzure: thats usually the same or at least the console would be clone accross both |
| 18:42.20 | kanzure | How do I get this dual monitor contraption working? |
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| 18:43.48 | valdyn | kanzure: tried google yet? |
| 18:44.08 | kanzure | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 18:49.16 | jelly-home | kanzure: afaik, you can't have console on one head and X on the other anyway. Is that what you were expecting? |
| 18:49.27 | kanzure | jelly-home: But that's what it's doing. |
| 18:49.39 | kanzure | Although the console isn't showing on the other head. |
| 18:49.44 | kanzure | Anyway, it's unexpected behavior. |
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| 18:51.20 | jelly-home | kanzure: why would the console show on both heads? |
| 18:51.44 | kanzure | jelly-home: The console isn't showing on both heads. |
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| 18:52.33 | jelly-home | kanzure: oh; so you have second head off, and console on the first one. That's expected. |
| 18:52.40 | kanzure | Sisco: Are you about 21 years old? |
| 18:53.24 | kanzure | jelly-home: Except for some reason X is showing on the second monitor. The first monitor (laptop LCD) is showing nothing at the moment, but if I CTRL+ALT+Fx over to anything else, the laptop LCD turns on, external monitor turns off. |
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| 18:54.39 | extrallli | can anyone suggest how to config mod_evasive + mod_security to prevent bruteforce .htacesss password hacking??? |
| 18:55.37 | jelly-home | kanzure: which debian release are you using? can you pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
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| 18:57.13 | kanzure | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m1a46d712 |
| 18:57.22 | kanzure | jelly-home: testing/unstable |
| 18:57.27 | kanzure | but it's been behaving well for me |
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| 18:58.41 | jelly-home | kanzure: your xrandr shows no dual output is detected. |
| 18:59.18 | kanzure | I assure you, the laptop's screen is firmly affixed and functional. :) |
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| 19:00.31 | jelly-home | kanzure: if you restart X with VGA / DVI disconnected (not merely swithed off!), I bet you'll get a picture on the laptop screen. |
| 19:01.42 | kanzure | Yes, I connected the wire during the boot sequence, which probably was during startx / kdeinit or whatever it is that is running here. |
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| 19:05.25 | jelly-home | kanzure: well. on my i915GM card, the VGA output is actually detected as first, and if there's anything connected there X picks up its LCD size and starts in clone mode. Your driver might be using some other default. |
| 19:06.18 | Gm4n | is there a way to tell the difference between a hard drive error in a mirror pair and a hard drive being replaced? |
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| 19:06.46 | wuxia | what package do i need to install to get makeinfo? |
| 19:07.00 | wols_ | !tell wuxia about search |
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| 19:19.14 | enouf | [Common Announcement about a factoid update] I removed the reference to a cdimage fjp repo (the part that said "Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/") from the EtchnHalf factoid - i asked the parties involved, and was told it's gone |
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| 19:21.23 | to_ | hi, my server is on debian etch and I've got trac 0.10.4 (the old stable version) but now, trac 0.11 is out and I'd like to upgrade, is there a recommanded way to do it? |
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| 19:22.56 | to_ | I've checked in the SID repository, but I can't find the src of 0.11 version... |
| 19:22.57 | anddam | hi |
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| 19:23.28 | Eulex | to_, 0.11 isn't in unstable. it's in experimental, though. |
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| 19:25.59 | ewet | hi I'm curious: is there a way to have a fancy countdown timer on the terminal? |
| 19:26.04 | ewet |  'time cat' ist nice but not really what I want - maybe it could even beep at the end? ;) |
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| 19:26.49 | anddam | I launched a make-kpkg with --rootcmd sudo |
| 19:27.04 | anddam | it didn't ask for a password tho' |
| 19:27.13 | lfs | my update-notifier is not working properly. Should I Purge it and then reinstall? |
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| 19:27.31 | carutsu | isn't there a synaptic-like program for KDE? |
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| 19:29.07 | carutsu | I don't want to clutter my instalation with 90MB+ just for Synaptic |
| 19:29.17 | wols_ | carutsu: adept |
| 19:29.44 | carutsu | d'oh, right |
| 19:29.48 | carutsu | let's see |
| 19:30.15 | wols_ | anddam: what would make-kpkg need a rootcmd or sudo for? |
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| 19:30.50 | anddam | wols_: I'm following the kp mantra |
| 19:31.14 | assasukasse | ntpdate is not in lenny anymore? |
| 19:31.31 | themill | wols_: all packaging things need some sort of rootcmd so that the tarball ends up with the right usernames; usually fakeroot is enough though. |
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| 19:31.55 | n-iCe | I can't open my update manager I don't see it on the start menu, how do I run it? |
| 19:32.01 | wols_ | anddam: you don't |
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| 19:32.11 | anddam | themill: I read in man page the --rootcmd needed some auth like fakeroot or sudo |
| 19:32.12 | wols_ | fakeroot is not sudo |
| 19:32.22 | anddam | themill: but I didn't knew fakeroot so I went with sudo |
| 19:32.35 | wols_ | the kp-mantra explicitly says "fakeroot" |
| 19:32.47 | anddam | wols_: and I explictly changed it to sudo |
| 19:32.58 | wols_ | and thus you don't follow the mantra |
| 19:33.13 | anddam | were will it build the package? I've little space on root fs |
| 19:33.25 | wols_ | in .. |
| 19:33.31 | anddam | un-good |
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| 19:34.06 | Lectus | If I get the Debian with XFCE CD and don't install any desktop environment (in this case the XFCE), can I later install it? What will come installed with the base system? Bash + apt? |
| 19:34.11 | wols_ | n-iCe: dpkg -L <package> |grep bin |
| 19:34.19 | wols_ | Lectus: yes you can |
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| 19:34.29 | wols_ | Lectus: don't get the CD then tho, use netinst |
| 19:34.56 | wols_ | netinst gives you a basic debian system without X if you don't install anything from the taskselect screen |
| 19:35.10 | Lectus | the point is I already have the CD and I use XFCE... but I want to use to install without any DE to install later for my friend |
| 19:35.22 | Lectus | I think I'll be able to do it with the base system |
| 19:35.28 | wols_ | yes you can |
| 19:35.47 | wols_ | what network access does your friend have? |
| 19:35.53 | Lectus | ADSL |
| 19:35.57 | Lectus | pppoe |
| 19:36.13 | wols_ | then you will need pppoeconfig, ppd, etc |
| 19:36.17 | wols_ | unless he has a router |
| 19:36.26 | Lectus | no.... it's bridge |
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| 19:36.37 | n-iCe | wols_, but how do I open the update manager? |
| 19:36.46 | wols_ | n-iCe: by calling it |
| 19:37.09 | n-iCe | how |
| 19:37.19 | wols_ | how do you start a program? |
| 19:37.20 | aleksanteri | open up yer cell phone and call it |
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| 19:37.27 | Lectus | for pppoe connection I need modules=ppp-udeb at the installation, right? |
| 19:37.34 | wols_ | Lectus: no |
| 19:37.56 | wols_ | both netinst or CD1 install a full debian |
| 19:38.40 | n-iCe | wols_, is not there |
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| 19:39.25 | Lectus | ok... thanks for the tips |
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| 19:40.02 | wols_ | !tell n-iCe about installit |
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| 19:41.47 | carutsu | weird using aptitude I cannot find adept... |
| 19:42.05 | n-iCe | wols_, uhm |
| 19:42.10 | n-iCe | how do I install the update manager? |
| 19:42.33 | wols_ | !tell n-iCe about grounding |
| 19:43.00 | kdag | i wonder if someone here has a solution for this: |
| 19:43.02 | kdag | root kernel: applesmc: wait status failed |
| 19:43.22 | kdag | many threads on the topic no solution yet found... |
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| 19:45.35 | r0b_ | hi, im trying to compile a kernel the debian way and i am getting this error, i have tried deleting everything and starting over a few times, doesnt help http://pastebin.com/m7e56ec5b |
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| 19:46.41 | valdyn | r0b_: broken kernel, which one is it? |
| 19:47.03 | valdyn | r0b_: oh nevermind |
| 19:47.21 | r0b_ | valdyn: 2.6.22.18 |
| 19:47.29 | valdyn | r0b_: you must have fucked up patching |
| 19:47.42 | themill | dpkg: tell carutsu about adept |
| 19:47.55 | r0b_ | valdyn: thats without a patch |
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| 19:48.21 | xingu | r0b_: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=38332cb98772f5ea757e6486bed7ed0381cb5f98 |
| 19:48.23 | msshams | i have a dos protection script that some times cause my apache2.conf file corrupt. now, i want write an script that can check apache status and if it get any error, copy original conf file to current apache conf then restart apache. can you please help me that how can i do it? |
| 19:49.12 | msshams | i want to buy toshiba stellite u405. anyone test it until now? can i use it without any problem? |
| 19:49.28 | valdyn | msshams: try google? |
| 19:49.40 | r0b_ | xingu: that doesnt help me any, im new to kernel recompiling |
| 19:50.31 | valdyn | r0b_: your kernel is broken on your architecture is what that means |
| 19:50.46 | valdyn | r0b_: which arch is it? |
| 19:50.56 | themill | wonders why r0b_ is trying to compile such an old kernel anyway |
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| 19:52.56 | r0b_ | valdyn: how do i find that out, and im using a vanilla kernel |
| 19:53.09 | valdyn | r0b_: find what out? |
| 19:53.32 | r0b_ | < valdyn> r0b_: which arch is it? |
| 19:53.55 | valdyn | r0b_: type run "arch" in a terminal |
| 19:54.29 | r0b_ | command not found |
| 19:54.39 | valdyn | r0b_: uname -r |
| 19:54.51 | xingu | echos themill's sentiment |
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| 19:55.07 | r0b_ | valdyn: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 19:55.24 | r0b_ | the kernel that comes with lenny |
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| 19:55.48 | themill | r0b_: so if you're currently running 2.6.24, why are you trying to compile 2.6.22? |
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| 19:56.08 | r0b_ | themill: why do i need a new kernel when 2.6.22 works? |
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| 19:56.21 | valdyn | haha |
| 19:56.30 | terbo | r0b: read the changelog to determine if you do. |
| 19:56.35 | themill | 2.6.22 has known, unpatched security holes. |
| 19:56.36 | r0b_ | i know if i do |
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| 19:57.40 | r0b_ | ok still that doesnt fix my issue, whether its 2.6.22 or2.6.25 im trying to compile |
| 19:58.31 | themill | r0b_: is there a reason why you're trying to compile a kernel at all? |
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| 19:58.53 | r0b_ | because 2.6.24 doesnt get along with my system for some odd reason |
| 19:59.12 | xingu | observes that 2.6.25 has the pasted commit |
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| 19:59.29 | carutsu | if I enable the experimental repo I'll constantly be suggesteed to update to unstable sources, right? even if I just want one package that is there, right? |
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| 19:59.47 | valdyn | carutsu: yes |
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| 20:00.02 | themill | carutsu: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be going anywhere near experimental... |
| 20:00.06 | carutsu | valdyn: thanks, I think I'll just download that package |
| 20:00.23 | valdyn | carutsu: you should backport it following |
| 20:00.24 | valdyn | !ssd |
| 20:00.24 | dpkg | hmm... ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. |
| 20:00.31 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:00.35 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:00.35 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile> |
| 20:00.45 | valdyn | carutsu: that one ^^^ |
| 20:01.39 | carutsu | themill: I'm not a total noob, just new to debian, thanks for the concern anyway |
| 20:02.24 | r0b_ | themill: example when i run pan, usenet app, with kernel 2.6.24 pan wants to only connect to 2 connections when i tell it to connect to 8, with the any other kernel i get all my 8 connections working at once, so to me it looks like a network issue in the kernel, as i said im new with kernel's so i could be wrong |
| 20:02.55 | themill | carutsu: the principle still holds... experimental is a disaster area and if you can answer questions for yourself either by reading man pages or through google, then you probably don't want to go near it. |
| 20:02.56 | carutsu | valdyn: the problem is I want KMess 1.5 http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kmess&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all and it's only in experimental |
| 20:03.09 | valdyn | carutsu: whatever, follow what dpkg said |
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| 20:03.17 | carutsu | ok |
| 20:03.22 | valdyn | carutsu: just that you obviously want to backport an experimental package, not a sid package |
| 20:03.24 | carutsu | thanks both of you |
| 20:03.46 | themill | carutsu: you realised that's only rc1 or kmess in experimental |
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| 20:04.39 | carutsu | themill: actually I didn't, weird, 1.5.1 is already out |
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| 20:05.31 | r0b_ | themill: any clue? |
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| 20:05.51 | rmop | hi everybody |
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| 20:05.58 | DawnL | hello |
| 20:06.00 | carutsu | themill: thanks for pointing it out... I think I'll just a)compile it from source or b)use the autopackage they provide |
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| 20:06.36 | DawnL | i've some rt2500 chip. do i need the rt2500 package or the rt2x00 one? |
| 20:07.02 | valdyn | DawnL: either |
| 20:07.06 | wols_ | !tell dawnl about ralink |
| 20:07.12 | themill | r0b_: that sounds quite odd behaviour. It's hard to believe that it's the kernel doing that though |
| 20:07.12 | valdyn | DawnL: both support the same hardware |
| 20:08.01 | oompa_loompa | says hello to everyone in the channel |
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| 20:09.08 | r0b_ | themill: sad but true |
| 20:10.08 | r0b_ | themill: so can you help me with my error whether its a 22 kernel or a 25 kernel? i can use this pos 2.6.24 that comes with lenny |
| 20:10.20 | r0b_ | s/can/cant |
| 20:11.04 | DawnL | thanks |
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| 20:11.51 | themill | r0b_: you could try grabbing 2.6.25 from sid instead |
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| 20:14.08 | themill | r0b_: imho, compiling kernels is a mug's game and just not worth it these days |
| 20:14.26 | r0b_ | themill: ill try it, thanks |
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| 20:17.44 | yigal | hello I am getting errors with apt when I "dpkg --configure -a" on a package menu dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. not sure what to do |
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| 20:18.57 | caribou_ | hello |
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| 20:19.14 | caribou_ | I'm fighting with my sound drivers |
| 20:19.27 | caribou_ | actually I'm on Lenny and OSS is set by default |
| 20:19.28 | DawnL | caribou_: don't fight! |
| 20:19.35 | wols_ | yes. WIN! |
| 20:19.44 | DawnL | wols_: huh? |
| 20:19.44 | caribou_ | I want them to go away and make Alsa works |
| 20:19.45 | wols_ | caribou_: that is kinda unpossible |
| 20:19.46 | caribou_ | (haha) |
| 20:19.54 | pipeline | caribou_: Well, most things that work under OSS work fine under ALSA... |
| 20:19.59 | caribou_ | i don't know where to disable these modules |
| 20:20.02 | valdyn | carutsu: why do you think that oss is the default? |
| 20:20.07 | pipeline | caribou_: You don't have to. Just install alsa. |
| 20:20.09 | caribou_ | yes but hum... |
| 20:20.14 | caribou_ | I have installed alsa |
| 20:20.20 | caribou_ | but this is just not working |
| 20:20.29 | caribou_ | on the official wiki it's said to disable oss modules manually |
| 20:20.35 | valdyn | carutsu: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ( and if its not installed, install it ) |
| 20:20.42 | caribou_ | because oss makes a priority over alsa |
| 20:20.54 | valdyn | carutsu: ^^^ |
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| 20:21.02 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 20:21.14 | d34df00d | Is there a way to install legacy nVidia drivers on recent kernels? |
| 20:21.18 | DawnL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.26 | DawnL | oops |
| 20:21.27 | d34df00d | For the GeForce 4 MX, for example. |
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| 20:21.33 | caribou_ | valdyn, thanks, testing (do i have to reboot ?) |
| 20:22.00 | caribou_ | (ok i reboot) |
| 20:22.06 | yigal | "dpkg --configure -a" produces dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed, please help |
| 20:22.07 | valdyn | caribou_: you didnt answer why you think oss is the default or is loaded right now, so i dont even know if that is your issue |
| 20:23.16 | yigal | is there a force command I should issue ? |
| 20:23.31 | valdyn | yigal: no |
| 20:23.47 | vadmeste | d34df00d: you have just to browse nvidia website and download linux driver |
| 20:24.03 | wols_ | vadmeste: do not tell people to use nvidia.com drivers in here please |
| 20:24.05 | yigal | valdyn: is there something I can delete? |
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| 20:24.16 | wols_ | !tell d34df00d about nvidia_post_etch |
| 20:24.27 | vadmeste | wols_: ok |
| 20:24.27 | wols_ | d34df00d: you will need the nvidia legacy drivers btw |
| 20:24.33 | valdyn | yigal: delete the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst script, then try to purge the package |
| 20:24.37 | d34df00d | wols_: yeah. |
| 20:24.45 | d34df00d | wols_: and they fail to compile with 2.6.25. |
| 20:24.46 | caribou_ | valdyn, sound still not work and oss modules are loaded :'( |
| 20:24.56 | valdyn | caribou_: which oss modules? |
| 20:24.56 | wols_ | !blame nvidia |
| 20:24.57 | dpkg | blames Sanitoeter and nvidia for the end of life as we know it |
| 20:25.10 | valdyn | caribou_: youre just plain wrong most likely, give real info, like lsmod output, error messages |
| 20:25.11 | d34df00d | wols_: I wonder if there is a way to somehow compile them. |
| 20:25.14 | valdyn | caribou_: not your wild guesses |
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| 20:25.31 | d34df00d | wols_: or downgrading 2.6.18 is the only solution. |
| 20:25.43 | wols_ | d34df00d: I doubt it |
| 20:25.47 | wols_ | !tell d34df00d about errors |
| 20:26.17 | d34df00d | wols_: you need build log? |
| 20:26.26 | caribou_ | valdyn, snd_seq_oss,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss |
| 20:26.32 | d34df00d | wols_: where do I get it? :) |
| 20:26.34 | valdyn | caribou_: that is not oss drivers |
| 20:26.46 | valdyn | caribou_: thats alsa's oss compatibility layer |
| 20:26.47 | caribou_ | valdyn, actually i knew for mixer and seq but what about pcm ? |
| 20:26.48 | wols_ | caribou_: that's ALSA OSS emulation |
| 20:26.51 | valdyn | caribou_: those modules are not a problem |
| 20:26.53 | caribou_ | omg :'( |
| 20:26.55 | yigal | valdyn: that seems to have worked |
| 20:26.59 | caribou_ | this is so confusing me |
| 20:27.00 | yigal | valdyn: thank you |
| 20:27.21 | caribou_ | valdyn, ok then hum i have to work on making them play some sound |
| 20:27.36 | wols_ | !tell caribou_ about alsa checklist |
| 20:27.39 | valdyn | caribou_: go ahead play some sound, give error messages |
| 20:27.43 | caribou_ | on the sound preferences when i click play i have "could not open audio device for playback" |
| 20:28.00 | caribou_ | i already googled it |
| 20:28.33 | caribou_ | and some tricks was to make a asoundconf set-default-card CARD... |
| 20:28.38 | valdyn | caribou_: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", tell output |
| 20:28.41 | caribou_ | ok |
| 20:29.02 | caribou_ | "Crshshshshhshshshshh" xD |
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| 20:29.08 | valdyn | caribou_: so your sound works |
| 20:29.13 | valdyn | caribou_: duh |
| 20:29.14 | d34df00d | wols_: so I'd try to rebuild it now. |
| 20:29.18 | caribou_ | valdyn, obviously yes :O |
| 20:29.24 | caribou_ | valdyn, so what's wrong |
| 20:29.41 | caribou_ | oh |
| 20:29.41 | valdyn | caribou_: whichever app you are using to play that gives "could not open audio device for playback", is configured wrongly, somehow |
| 20:29.44 | caribou_ | ok this is working :x |
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| 20:29.57 | caribou_ | that was this dpkg-reconfug linux-sound-base then... |
| 20:30.04 | valdyn | caribou_: no |
| 20:30.10 | valdyn | caribou_: i bet it was ok from the start |
| 20:30.14 | caribou_ | no no |
| 20:30.18 | caribou_ | i spent all day along on it |
| 20:30.31 | caribou_ | and i tried to play sound every each step |
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| 20:31.01 | caribou_ | but what about this error message do i ignore it ? |
| 20:31.10 | caribou_ | (anyway thanks :S) |
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| 20:31.27 | caribou_ | oh wait |
| 20:31.48 | caribou_ | ok that's better |
| 20:31.51 | caribou_ | in a certain way |
| 20:31.54 | caribou_ | this is not playing sound |
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| 20:32.01 | caribou_ | my mplayer was set on OSS :S |
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| 20:32.47 | caribou_ | "could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." |
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| 20:34.19 | cyzie | hi, after we initiate connection to the ISP using pon, how does actually the dns process works? |
| 20:34.47 | wols_ | cyzie: still with your 2.6.24-18 kernel? |
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| 20:34.51 | caribou_ | I'm getting mad with this sounds problem >:( |
| 20:35.00 | cyzie | wols_, No. |
| 20:35.00 | caribou_ | these* |
| 20:36.48 | d34df00d | wols_: so where do I get the buildlog? |
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| 20:41.08 | caribou_ | can oss and alsa be loaded at the same time ? |
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| 20:41.18 | wols_ | no |
| 20:41.21 | caribou_ | so |
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| 20:41.55 | caribou_ | why can i hear sound on mplayer on oss if i have set Alsa as my sound engine ? |
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| 20:42.41 | Eulex | caribou_, alsa does oss emulation |
| 20:43.07 | caribou_ | Eulex, so it would say that alsa is working but just when it's trying to emulate oss O_O ? |
| 20:43.12 | wols_ | cyzie: you've been told about alsa oss emulation not 10 minutes ago |
| 20:43.28 | wols_ | caribou_: ^^ |
| 20:43.33 | Eulex | caribou_, eh? |
| 20:43.37 | caribou_ | wols_, I'm just asking because It's not fixed and the discussion was not over |
| 20:43.59 | pipeline | caribou_: well, having alsa doesn't necessarily mean you get multichannel sound. You have to enable kmix. Once you have kmix, even OSS simulation through ALSA will allow multiple apps to use sound. |
| 20:44.19 | cyzie | LOL |
| 20:44.25 | Nyle | debian me amore! |
| 20:44.36 | Nyle | pipeline, what? |
| 20:44.42 | Nyle | multichannel? |
| 20:44.48 | Eulex | pipeline, hmm, kmix is something new which != dmix? |
| 20:44.54 | cyzie | must have been missing me :) |
| 20:45.01 | Nyle | kmix is the kde mider app |
| 20:45.03 | caribou_ | pipeline, I didn't suggest that alsa meant that it was multichannel :o |
| 20:45.09 | Nyle | alsa has dmix |
| 20:45.21 | Nyle | what do you mean by multichannel ? |
| 20:45.30 | pipeline | Eulex: no. |
| 20:45.30 | caribou_ | sound is just not working when i set my preferences on alsa |
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| 20:45.58 | slxix | dmix? what about alsamixer? :) |
| 20:46.02 | Nyle | WHAT IS MULTICHANNEL! |
| 20:46.06 | caribou_ | haha |
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| 20:47.01 | Nyle | damn google tells meo f like 10000000 diff types of multi channelthings |
| 20:47.13 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?q=multi+channel&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS279CA279 |
| 20:47.21 | Nyle | c'mon someone |
| 20:47.26 | Nyle | anyone.. what is multichannel? |
| 20:48.09 | caribou_ | i think he mean |
| 20:48.16 | caribou_ | that you can play more than one sound over another one |
| 20:48.20 | caribou_ | like using teamspeak while playing |
| 20:48.25 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:48.29 | Nyle | dmix can't handle that? |
| 20:48.34 | caribou_ | i really don't know |
| 20:48.37 | Nyle | what does kmix have anything to do with it then? |
| 20:48.43 | Nyle | kmix is a mere mixer app for kde/qt |
| 20:48.44 | caribou_ | i'm unable to make work alsa so xD |
| 20:48.50 | Nyle | http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~bondhugu/alsamch.shtml |
| 20:48.51 | Nyle | found it |
| 20:48.52 | caribou_ | oh |
| 20:49.06 | Nyle | kmix is like alsamixer or whatever |
| 20:49.09 | Nyle | just a mixer |
| 20:49.20 | Nyle | used to set volume levels |
| 20:49.25 | caribou_ | ok |
| 20:49.31 | Nyle | btw, alsa/dmix can't fully handle multichannel |
| 20:49.33 | Nyle | nowait |
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| 20:49.38 | Nyle | no man multichannel isn't that |
| 20:49.40 | caribou_ | xD |
| 20:49.46 | Nyle | ohhhh |
| 20:49.52 | Nyle | multichanel is like surround sound |
| 20:49.54 | caribou_ | it's just 5.1 ... |
| 20:49.58 | Nyle | like 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever |
| 20:49.58 | caribou_ | yes i was trying to translate |
| 20:50.02 | caribou_ | yes yes ofc |
| 20:50.04 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:50.11 | Nyle | multiple sound streams simultaneiously is diff |
| 20:50.15 | Nyle | I thought thats what you meant |
| 20:50.15 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I'm after a web application (free or open source) to help me track donations and expenditure for my project - anyone know something like this? |
| 20:50.21 | caribou_ | it's what i meant |
| 20:50.22 | Nyle | oh cool,I didn't know it was called multichannel |
| 20:50.28 | caribou_ | but i understand what YOU mean |
| 20:50.32 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:51.22 | caribou_ | ok so i come back a bit later something like when i'd have spent 3 hours on google >:( |
| 20:51.46 | Nyle | so whats your problem? |
| 20:52.05 | Nyle | oh |
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| 20:52.07 | Nyle | I see |
| 20:52.10 | Nyle | pipeline made a typo |
| 20:52.16 | Nyle | he probably meant dmix instead of kmix |
| 20:52.29 | Nyle | so you are having problems with simultaneoius sound streams? |
| 20:53.36 | caribou_ | nono i don't even know why he talked about that |
| 20:53.37 | Nyle | dmix can't fully handle that, either tha tor applications are coded really fucked up. For example, I have no audio server, but if I start flash video, amarok doesn't play sound. If I have 2 mplayers, no problem. If I have hydrogen I can't play any other sound. but I know I can play 2 diff sounds in two diff programs and they both work |
| 20:53.41 | caribou_ | I'm just trying to make alsa work |
| 20:53.43 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 20:53.50 | Nyle | you have checked the lasa checklist? |
| 20:53.53 | Nyle | !alsa checklist |
| 20:53.53 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
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| 20:56.42 | caribou_ | ok last check the wav thing |
| 20:57.36 | caribou_ | this is not working but i have some errors msg that i can google |
| 20:59.19 | caribou_ | stupid |
| 20:59.31 | caribou_ | i had to delete .asoundrc & .asoundrc.asoundconf |
| 20:59.39 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:59.48 | caribou_ | /home/user/.asound |
| 20:59.53 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 20:59.59 | caribou_ | xD |
| 21:00.00 | Nyle | why stupid |
| 21:00.12 | caribou_ | because i did it something like 5 times |
| 21:00.21 | caribou_ | but i guess not on the same conditions |
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| 21:00.39 | mifritscher- | hi... |
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| 21:00.50 | caribou_ | mifritscher-, hello |
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| 21:08.48 | n-iCe | hello how can I install libnl-devel ?? |
| 21:09.54 | Nyle | with aptitude |
| 21:10.10 | n-iCe | apt-get install libnl-devel didn't work |
| 21:10.37 | Nyle | what is it? |
| 21:10.45 | n-iCe | is not libnl-dev ? |
| 21:10.49 | Nyle | libnl-dev - development library and headers for libnl |
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| 21:17.33 | jelly-home | n-iCe: debian usually names the development packages ending in -dev |
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| 21:24.14 | aib | does anyone keep vmware debian packages that are in sync with kernel versions. its such a pain to recompile the module every time i update my kernel. |
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| 21:26.33 | Bushmills | that would be the task of vmware.inc, i reckon |
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| 21:34.14 | DawnL | how do i know the contents of the installation cds? |
| 21:34.38 | DawnL | does the lenny d-i work with wireless? |
| 21:34.47 | Bushmills | DawnL, you can mount iso files |
| 21:35.03 | DawnL | Bushmills: before downloading |
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| 21:36.39 | DawnL | i want to build the rt2500 so i'll have wireless. which cd's do i need? |
| 21:36.57 | DawnL | and which cd has the ntfsprogs package? |
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| 21:40.02 | DawnL | does ati Xpress 1250 have a good driver? |
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| 21:41.05 | DawnL | abrotman: yo |
| 21:42.03 | DawnL | bbl |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | ? |
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| 21:48.08 | mortal1 | does anyone know of a good program that can rename music files with the album/artist/etc |
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| 21:48.38 | mortal1 | I'm not looking for something 'integrated' like sound juicer, or anything else that relies on gstreamer or such |
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| 21:49.30 | mortal1 | cause those do a crappy job making mp3's thanks to ppl being afraid of having mp3 capibility in there by default |
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| 21:49.51 | orveldv | haha. |
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| 21:54.05 | gkiagia | mortal1: easytag |
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| 22:03.16 | Nyle | hey on my apache2 server i think config is fine, konqueror loads the page, but iceweasel says that it needs to save a phtml file |
| 22:03.26 | Nyle | how come? |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | !tell Nyle about php wants me to download still |
| 22:03.42 | Nyle | I checked php5.conf |
| 22:03.44 | Nyle | ok |
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| 22:04.26 | Jordan_U | How can I create mplayer .debs which don't depend on libconfhelper-perl ? |
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| 22:05.35 | Nyle | ok its fine |
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| 22:05.47 | abrotman | Jordan_U: why? |
| 22:05.50 | Nyle | weird behaviour, why did I have to clear my browser cache |
| 22:05.59 | mortal1 | i don't understand why the debian pkg folks are so uptight about codecs, and java, etc. I mean nobody is *really* gona sue you if you build mp3 capibility in |
| 22:06.05 | Nyle | I've never to my page before, why would it ask to save it instad of display it? |
| 22:06.06 | abrotman | because the browser says that you arleady accessed the file .. and you had to download it last time |
| 22:06.16 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | mortal1: uh what? |
| 22:06.49 | mortal1 | abrotman: just grouchy about sound juicer and gstreamer in general having crappy mp3 support |
| 22:06.57 | mortal1 | (in debian) |
| 22:06.57 | ameyer | actually, mortal1 may have a point about mp3 |
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| 22:07.06 | abrotman | mortal1: you're not making sense? playback or encoding ? |
| 22:07.12 | mortal1 | encoding |
| 22:07.18 | abrotman | ameyer: no .. he doesn't |
| 22:07.26 | mortal1 | playback is usually fine |
| 22:07.27 | ameyer | the patent holders have promised not to go after free/open-source projects or something along those lines |
| 22:07.46 | abrotman | ameyer: and what about you? does your country honor the patent? can they sue you? |
| 22:07.58 | mortal1 | ? |
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| 22:08.13 | Jordan_U | abrotman, I want to compile the latest svn mplayer which has support for AVCHD but it creates a .deb which depends on libconfhelper-perl which is no longer available in debian |
| 22:08.25 | themill | Nyle: the browser doesn't really offer you a away of letting you hit "reload" for a page it never displayed. (and it never displayed it, you saved it rather than displaying it in the browser) |
| 22:08.28 | abrotman | Jordan_U: ask #mplayer .. it's their svn repo |
| 22:08.29 | mortal1 | seriously? If the patient is held in it's country of origin it's generally honored and observed throughout |
| 22:09.01 | abrotman | mortal1: the encoder is non-free .. thus violates the DFSG |
| 22:09.02 | ameyer | abrotman: if they want to sue, let them, it's not like they'd get anything |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 22:09.06 | dpkg | well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 22:09.07 | ameyer | in my case |
| 22:09.12 | abrotman | ameyer: if you odn't like the distro .. use another |
| 22:09.24 | ameyer | abrotman: I'm not the one complaining |
| 22:09.35 | abrotman | you are backing his argument |
| 22:09.37 | mortal1 | anyway, it's just a shame that I'm having to compile lame and cdparanoia by hand just to get some decent quality mp3s |
| 22:09.51 | mortal1 | 's all i'm saying |
| 22:10.09 | abrotman | you don't |
| 22:10.12 | abrotman | !tell mortal1 about lame |
| 22:10.13 | Jordan_U | abrotman, They told me to come here :) |
| 22:10.22 | themill | dpkg: tell mortal1 about dmm |
| 22:10.25 | abrotman | Jordan_U: it's their SVN .. they defined the debian/rules stuff |
| 22:10.32 | mortal1 | lol, i just compiled lame |
| 22:10.44 | abrotman | sucks to be you! |
| 22:11.04 | ameyer | you could always make uninstall and install a package |
| 22:11.04 | mortal1 | course, you could be right, it could be cdpara that makes the static |
| 22:12.06 | mortal1 | but you see, now I'm wanting to use those tools with sound juicer or some such, and of course, since it's not a pkg, debian doesn't really recognize it's been installed |
| 22:12.18 | mortal1 | guess I need to learn how to build a deb pkg |
| 22:12.23 | abrotman | you don't |
| 22:12.25 | abrotman | it's already been done |
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| 22:13.23 | mortal1 | abrotman: i'm just telling you what happened to me. I install lame, i install sound juicer and it's requirements, and i get static, so i just figured i'd rebuild the whole shebang |
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| 22:13.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:13.49 | ameyer | o_O |
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| 22:13.58 | abrotman | &-@ |
| 22:14.17 | ameyer | so, in 2011 when the mp3 patent bullshit is over, will Debian start shipping LAME? |
| 22:14.31 | abrotman | are you going to maintain it? |
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| 22:14.50 | Zharf | mp3 patent expires in 2011? |
| 22:14.55 | ameyer | points out that OpenOffice probably violates at least one M$ patent |
| 22:15.17 | ameyer | and that sudo violates a M$ patent of incredibly dubious merit |
| 22:15.36 | abrotman | but you don't know ... so shut up about it |
| 22:15.53 | mortal1 | chuckles |
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| 22:16.35 | DawnL | hello. i've the rt2561 thing... what do i need? |
| 22:16.46 | blameless | ls |
| 22:16.47 | mortal1 | ameyer: prob not, just look at how long it's taking them to unbind all the packages with gcj |
| 22:16.52 | blameless | ert, excuse me :) |
| 22:16.57 | mortal1 | while they're freeing java |
| 22:17.01 | ameyer | well, wikipedia used to say the last patent expires in 2011 |
| 22:17.11 | ameyer | now it's 2017 :| |
| 22:17.12 | blameless | just use vorbis |
| 22:17.35 | mortal1 | vorbis is a wonderful codec... that's unsupported virtually everywhere |
| 22:17.48 | charzero | Disk space is cheap. Use flac. |
| 22:17.59 | blameless | *shrug*. works on my player |
| 22:18.00 | speedy_ | i'm runnning openvpn on debian etch, after sometime the vpn server stop listening at the listening port, and the process is running, is that a known bug? i'm running on amd64 kernel |
| 22:18.03 | ameyer | while we're mildly complaining about Debian packaging, I can has Icedtea package? |
| 22:18.36 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 22:18.37 | dpkg | it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 22:19.01 | abrotman | though i'm sure the openjdk is in preparation |
| 22:19.04 | sts | is there a way to call a script from within fai/config/debconf/FOO, to call external commands to retrive the correct values of dpkg-set-selections? |
| 22:19.05 | n-iCe | how do I upgrade to 2.6.25 ? |
| 22:19.06 | n-iCe | upgrade |
| 22:19.10 | abrotman | you don't |
| 22:19.57 | sts | or should i rather use a hook script for that purpose? |
| 22:20.06 | themill | ameyer: openjdk was rejected from the new queue a while back. It's still very much a work in progress. |
| 22:20.12 | abrotman | !tell sts about mentors |
| 22:20.16 | charzero | If I don't understand why a particular file is included in the upstream provider's distributions but not in the Debian packages, is it appropriate to email the package maintainer, or to file a bug, or what? |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | charzero: check the changelog first ? |
| 22:20.51 | themill | charzero: also check README.Debian and README.Debian-source (if there is one) |
| 22:21.36 | n-iCe | how do I upgrade to 2.6.25 ? |
| 22:21.48 | jelly-home | n-iCe: build and install it? |
| 22:21.50 | sts | abrotman: i think i don't understand in which context this is related to my problem. ;) |
| 22:21.52 | charzero | abrotman: themill: I have checked the changelog.Debian.gz and all other files in /usr/share/doc/<package-name> and found nothing. |
| 22:21.56 | n-iCe | jelly-home, how? |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | n-iCe: you do NOT upgrade to 2.6.25 |
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| 22:22.07 | n-iCe | why not :| |
| 22:22.10 | abrotman | sts: you're doing packaging |
| 22:22.12 | sts | abrotman: i'm talking about FAI. |
| 22:22.20 | jelly-home | n-iCe: why do you need .25? |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | n-iCe: you can't follow simple instructions we give.. i doubt you could compile a kernel |
| 22:22.23 | sts | abrotman: no i'm doing FAI, with debian packages. |
| 22:22.27 | deconvolution | hello, is there a good piece of tools to manage the mount for removable media? I have couple of usb disks and every time the mount point would move from /dev/sda? to /dev/sdb? and the gnome did not do such things very well. |
| 22:22.28 | abrotman | sts: sorry .. misread |
| 22:22.33 | sts | abrotman: ;) |
| 22:22.46 | n-iCe | abrotman, what instruction did it not follow? |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | it indeed |
| 22:23.06 | jelly-home | was unhappy with .25 |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | n-iCe: *why* do you need .25 ? |
| 22:23.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's what I said! |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | actually... every word should have ** |
| 22:23.27 | themill | n-iCe: most of the ones that you've been given here for most the of the last 3 or 4 days (that I've noticed). You have no idea how frustrating you have been to help. |
| 22:23.30 | sts | well i wanted to know if there is a way to call a script from within /fai/config/debconf/FOO do retrive the correct value of an dpkg-set-selections answer from an external command. |
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| 22:23.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:23.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:23.44 | n-iCe | themill, I have solved all the problems. |
| 22:23.54 | abrotman | in four hours instead of five minutes |
| 22:23.56 | ameyer | Did Debian switch to the new "completely fair" scheduler for 2.6.25? |
| 22:24.18 | sts | for example the mysql password, i'd like to have it generated by `pwgen -s 20` .... |
| 22:24.21 | sts | mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password password |
| 22:24.21 | ameyer | because that'd potentially explain some sound issues I've been having |
| 22:24.33 | jelly-home | ameyer: wasn't that thing introduced in, like, 2.6.23? |
| 22:24.34 | abrotman | sts: that i have no idea |
| 22:24.44 | n-iCe | and i am very thankful |
| 22:25.04 | n-iCe | abrotman, jelly-home for a driver |
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| 22:25.07 | sts | k, thanks anyways. ;) |
| 22:25.08 | ameyer | jelly-home: something like that |
| 22:25.14 | abrotman | n-iCe: which driver? to solve whta? |
| 22:25.31 | ameyer | 2.6.23 may have been when it was made the default in the vanilla kernel |
| 22:25.39 | charzero | deconvolution: You can configure hotplug to make certain devices get user-defined /dev/ entries. |
| 22:25.46 | n-iCe | abrotman, wireless |
| 22:26.00 | charzero | deconvolution: Or udev instead of hotplug now I guess. |
| 22:26.07 | abrotman | n-iCe: which driver? to solve whta? |
| 22:26.11 | infinitycircuit | ameyer: yes it is used...you can boot with elevator=xxx to change it |
| 22:26.19 | abrotman | n-iCe: if you're not going to answer my questions .. i'll leave to your own devices |
| 22:26.22 | infinitycircuit | if you use jfs cfq is a pos and you must switch to deadline i believe |
| 22:26.30 | n-iCe | did i not answer? |
| 22:26.34 | n-iCe | <n-iCe> abrotman, wireless |
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| 22:26.39 | n-iCe | for inject packets |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | have a good day |
| 22:26.46 | themill | n-iCe: wtf? |
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| 22:27.13 | ameyer | infinitycircuit: I thought "elevator=" was the IO scheduler |
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| 22:27.27 | infinitycircuit | oh sorry i misread your first comment yes |
| 22:27.39 | infinitycircuit | i saw completely fair and my mind jumped to cfq |
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| 22:28.21 | jelly-home | yeah, ioscheduler != cpu scheduler |
| 22:28.35 | ameyer | and cfq sucks in my experience |
| 22:29.06 | ameyer | although that could be because my desktop's USB hardware hates Linux (possibly the other way around) |
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| 22:31.25 | moulded | hey, does anyone know of a reason why when accessing a swf stream from the client to the webserver via the squid proxy - that the swf bypasses the proxy settings and initiates a connection between web server and client ignoring browser proxy settings? |
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| 22:39.19 | themill | An smb-based NAS that I have doesn't like talking CIFS. I always get a "mount error 20 = Not a directory" error if I mount with cifs instead of smbfs. If I disable the CIFS linux extensions in the kernel with "echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled" then I can mount it with cifs with no problems. Is there a per-mount option for this that I can stick in fstab? |
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| 22:41.09 | abrotman | so you disable cifs. . then mount with cifs ? |
| 22:41.15 | abrotman | (and no i don't know the answer) |
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| 22:42.10 | solemnwarning | Is there a libc package that's not been stripped? |
| 22:42.26 | themill | abrotman: disable cifs extensions (which is some unix-acls+perms grafted on top of cifs as I understand it...) If the kernel realised it was talking to a windows machine it would never try them at all. |
| 22:43.28 | abrotman | solemnwarning: libc6-dbg ? |
| 22:43.31 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
| 22:43.36 | abrotman | i was asking |
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| 22:44.12 | solemnwarning | It exists ^^ |
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| 22:44.33 | solemnwarning | For some reason apt-cache search libc debug didn't return it, just a load of unrelated libs |
| 22:44.46 | owen1 | how to search if a package is in backports? |
| 22:45.18 | ecntrk | backports means? |
| 22:45.21 | abrotman | owen1: packages.debian.org |
| 22:45.29 | themill | owen1: packages.debian.org or on backports.org |
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| 22:49.24 | owen1 | i enter mplayer-nogui in the search box but get no results.. |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | !dmm |
| 22:49.42 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 22:50.28 | owen1 | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:50.28 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 22:53.49 | owen1 | i get bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied |
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| 22:53.58 | vadmeste | owen1: you don't have to install nogui |
| 22:54.07 | vadmeste | owen1: by default you can run mplayer |
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| 22:54.15 | vadmeste | owen1: under terminal |
| 22:54.47 | owen1 | vadmeste: so if i run mplayer in cli it's the same as the nogui? |
| 22:55.18 | vadmeste | owen1: excuse me, cli ? |
| 22:55.47 | ameyer | command line interface |
| 22:56.26 | vadmeste | owen1: yes |
| 22:57.11 | owen1 | vadmeste: ok. thanks |
| 22:57.28 | vadmeste | owen1: no problem |
| 22:57.53 | vadmeste | owen1: next time, you join #mplayer |
| 22:57.55 | owen1 | vadmeste: can i run it with no X? |
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| 22:58.14 | owen1 | vadmeste: great. i will. |
| 22:58.48 | vadmeste | owen1 : you are confused.. noGUI = noX |
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| 22:58.57 | vadmeste | no ??? |
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| 23:01.25 | owen1 | not sure..i'll ask in mplayer |
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| 23:06.10 | TonyRad | I built a new debian box today but I'm hitting a small wall.. I've got 2 aprox 40gb drives I want set up with LVM to make 1 70gb (after partitioning) home drive |
| 23:06.20 | CoolCold | offtopic, but, what X server u could recommend for Windows, except cygwin? |
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| 23:07.12 | Caemyr | xming |
| 23:07.19 | TonyRad | I set up the LVM during the deb partitioner but I didn't get the /home path set up correctly.. so I've got about 70gb of unallocated space.. Does anybody know how to allocate that to my /home? |
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| 23:11.39 | ukatan | hello I'm having an odd problem with quicksynergy |
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| 23:13.54 | ukatan | well, I get the following error when I run "quicksynergy" in a terminal |
| 23:13.57 | ukatan | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0809f7c8 *** |
| 23:13.57 | ukatan | Aborted |
| 23:14.15 | streuner | did you look at BTS yet? |
| 23:14.56 | vadmeste | !tell ukatan about bts |
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| 23:17.01 | Caemyr | now this is strange |
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| 23:17.11 | Caemyr | i cant ping backports.org |
| 23:17.23 | Caemyr | on debian, but it works on XP at the same PC |
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| 23:17.38 | Caemyr | adress is resolved correctly |
| 23:17.41 | vadmeste | ukatan: and search for official channel of synergy |
| 23:17.41 | ukatan | I don't see anything remotely similar in BTS |
| 23:17.45 | vadmeste | ukatan: searchirc.com |
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| 23:17.54 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:18.16 | streuner | apis:/home/user# ping -c1 backports.org |
| 23:18.25 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 23:18.51 | streuner | vadmeste: synergy is in Debian... |
| 23:18.54 | Caemyr | it also works on windows |
| 23:19.03 | ukatan | I can't seem to find a synergy IRC channel, either |
| 23:19.04 | Caemyr | but not in my debian |
| 23:19.04 | streuner | well, check your route then |
| 23:19.29 | vadmeste | ukatan: /join #synergy |
| 23:19.30 | Caemyr | its only backports |
| 23:19.38 | Caemyr | other urls work |
| 23:19.39 | streuner | Caemyr: do you add some weird route(s) then? :-P |
| 23:19.51 | Caemyr | nope, havent touched it |
| 23:20.26 | streuner | Caemyr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:20.47 | Caemyr | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:21.04 | Caemyr | i have two eth interfaces, one for outside, other for windows box |
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| 23:21.07 | streuner | Caemyr: show us your interfaces file in paste.debian.net |
| 23:21.13 | streuner | hm |
| 23:21.14 | Caemyr | sec |
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| 23:22.16 | Caemyr | http://paste.debian.net/8559/ |
| 23:22.18 | Caemyr | here |
| 23:24.25 | streuner | how did you set the routes then? |
| 23:24.47 | streuner | if you aren't even know about interfaces? |
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| 23:25.11 | Caemyr | i didnt |
| 23:25.15 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question is there any linux-source for this kernel? 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 23:25.16 | Caemyr | it works ootb |
| 23:25.17 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 23:25.47 | streuner | nah |
| 23:25.50 | DawnL | hello |
| 23:25.59 | streuner | not with this kind of configuration |
| 23:26.05 | DawnL | i can't make my rt2561 work, no matter what i do |
| 23:26.10 | DawnL | help! |
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| 23:26.20 | n-iCe | TiMiDo, lenny 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 23:26.20 | DawnL | does anyone have this working? |
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| 23:28.07 | streuner | !listvals 2561 |
| 23:28.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2561' by value (3): awlh3026t ;; rt61 ;; ralink. |
| 23:28.21 | streuner | !ralink |
| 23:28.22 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>. |
| 23:28.42 | streuner | DawnL: /msg dpkg rt61 |
| 23:29.00 | Caemyr | ok... solved it, sorry for bothering |
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| 23:45.35 | soldierboy | How do I make a terminal command loop continually? |
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| 23:46.01 | soldierboy | I created a simple keyboard macro, it is invoked with: xmacroplay my.macro |
| 23:46.04 | soldierboy | however, it only plays once |
| 23:46.07 | soldierboy | i want it to loop |
| 23:47.25 | DawnL | i want to build lenny ndiswrapper for etch so i've got the source from packages.debian.org using windows (because debian doesn't have internet) so usually apt-get source unpacks it and patches it. how do i do it manually? |
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| 23:48.58 | abrotman | DawnL: why? |
| 23:49.11 | DawnL | i have foo.orig.tar.gz, foo-1.diff.gz and foo-1.dsc |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | oh .. nm .. i thought it had been backported |
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| 23:49.25 | DawnL | abrotman: because... which why? |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | !tell DawnL about source |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | !tell DawnL about ssb |
| 23:49.28 | DawnL | ah |
| 23:49.34 | DawnL | i know ssbs |
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| 23:50.19 | abrotman | so what's the difference? |
| 23:50.23 | DawnL | abrotman: i'm not using apt-get source. that's my broblem |
| 23:50.35 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:50.38 | DawnL | i've got these three files |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | !mg |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 23:50.55 | DawnL | please no |
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| 23:51.27 | DawnL | abrotman: i only want to know how to make the patch |
| 23:51.34 | DawnL | i mean to patch the diff |
| 23:51.39 | DawnL | or whatever |
| 23:51.57 | DawnL | anything else is overkill and i'm tired |
| 23:52.08 | DawnL | please |
| 23:52.51 | bokey | !tell DawnL about patching |
| 23:53.04 | bokey | dpkg: stupid |
| 23:53.04 | dpkg | methinks stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='sudo rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 23:53.15 | bokey | patch -p1 < pattch |
| 23:53.17 | bokey | done |
| 23:53.17 | abrotman | no |
| 23:53.30 | DawnL | ?? |
| 23:53.57 | DawnL | abrotman: what did that no mean? |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | it means ignore bokey .. |
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| 23:54.16 | DawnL | and do.. |
| 23:54.21 | bokey | yeah DawnL do as abrotman says. he's d man |
| 23:54.38 | usern8901723 | can anybody help me: my system it's kinda ignoring the /etc/hosts file, it try to lookup just through dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:55.21 | usern8901723 | ex. # host localhost |
| 23:55.21 | usern8901723 | localhost A record not found, try again |
| 23:55.39 | bokey | usern8901723: what's your /etc/hosts look like? paste a line |
| 23:55.54 | usern8901723 | %%¼-bokey-¼%%: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 23:56.29 | usern8901723 | my nsswitch.conf |
| 23:56.32 | usern8901723 | hosts: files dns |
| 23:57.23 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | that is a FUCKED UP nick complete |
| 23:57.44 | usern8901723 | ? |
| 23:58.05 | usern8901723 | i've choosed |
| 23:58.07 | usern8901723 | thank u |
| 23:58.08 | usern8901723 | ¶:)~~ |
| 23:58.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:58.25 | abrotman | !debbuild |
| 23:58.26 | dpkg | well, debbuild is dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-x.y.z; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
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