| 00:00.05 | abrotman | quick hide!! |
| 00:00.18 | kanzure | Lagbolt was helping me with some xorg.conf issues earlier, but he's dead. The gentoo-wiki.com example xorg.conf produces the same problem on my system. |
| 00:00.42 | nevyn | kanzure: prolly not. |
| 00:00.48 | kanzure | i.e., X -layout TwoHeadLayout just makes the cursor show up on both the LCD and CRT. |
| 00:00.51 | kanzure | nevyn: Okay. |
| 00:01.28 | abrotman | nevyn: good answer!! |
| 00:01.44 | nevyn | :) |
| 00:01.54 | nevyn | abrotman: karma! |
| 00:01.55 | kanzure | abrotman: I'm not hostile. =( |
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| 00:03.28 | abrotman | kanzure: one can never be too careful ... |
| 00:03.41 | abrotman | kanzure: did you ever ask #xorg ? |
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| 00:05.20 | kanzure | abrotman: Er, no, I must have forgotten #xorg. |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | just a place to ask |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | kanzure: and if you're using fglrx or nvidia binary stuff .. they also have channels |
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| 00:09.05 | kanzure | abrotman: Nah, I'm using ati drivers straight up. |
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| 00:09.29 | abrotman | kanzure: from ati.com? you might want to make a pit stop in #ati |
| 00:10.03 | kanzure | abrotman: No, from apt-get install xserver-xorg-ati-video. |
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| 00:13.23 | egns | is there any method to use xs++? |
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| 00:13.34 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 00:13.57 | SamuraiDio | i have just update Debian Testing (aptitude full-upgrade) and my mplayer now kill X |
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| 00:16.44 | SamuraiDio | what could that be? |
| 00:19.26 | SamuraiDio | it seens a GL issue, compiz also doesn't work |
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| 00:21.35 | SamuraiDio | wat sould be wrong? something that uses OpenGL kills my Xsession |
| 00:22.58 | egns | SamuraiDio: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 00:24.04 | SamuraiDio | egns, that removed my enture Xorg configuration :@ |
| 00:24.09 | egns | xD |
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| 00:24.34 | egns | ehm... dpkg-reconfigure should have made a backup :D |
| 00:24.48 | SamuraiDio | egns, yeah, i have just restored it |
| 00:25.14 | SamuraiDio | i spend a lot of time configuring my nvidia display and touchpad |
| 00:26.54 | SamuraiDio | even glxinfo kills my X |
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| 00:27.38 | fas3r | on peut pas monter les disque en RAID sur les dedibox avec le mode rescue ? |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | fas3r: english |
| 00:27.50 | fas3r | sorry bad chan :) |
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| 00:28.35 | egns | fas3r: xD |
| 00:28.48 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 00:28.55 | Winkie | hey guys, i'm looking for recommendations on syslog daemons for logging from multiple remote hosts |
| 00:28.58 | fas3r | it's work ... :s |
| 00:29.11 | egns | fas3r: go to -> #debian-fr |
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| 00:29.19 | fas3r | i know i know ;) |
| 00:29.25 | Saar | is apt-mirror the preferred way to create a local mirro of a repository? |
| 00:29.34 | fas3r | and it's not for this chan too :) |
| 00:29.34 | Saar | or are there better ways? |
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| 00:32.02 | abrotman | Winkie: apt-cache search remote syslog ? |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | remote log daemon |
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| 00:33.02 | kanzure | X keeps on aborting but not saying way, even with -verbose. |
| 00:33.11 | kanzure | (Not even in the log file.) |
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| 00:34.30 | Winkie | abrotman: i'm more looking for recommendations on which one, rather than possbilities, i have a working setup but i need to keep things neat :) |
| 00:35.02 | kanzure | Hm. Looks like I need to enable xrandr support? |
| 00:38.51 | Freed | howto configure nic? |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 00:40.10 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 00:40.19 | Freed | !interfaces |
| 00:40.19 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 00:43.42 | SamuraiDio | reinstall the nvidia driver solved the problem |
| 00:45.31 | Freed | !dhcp client |
| 00:45.31 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 00:46.40 | abrotman | Freed: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 00:47.36 | Pctech37|Mac | problem fixed |
| 00:48.45 | Hiryu | there's no xemacs in testing? |
| 00:49.43 | Freed | tnx |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | no big loss :) |
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| 00:51.52 | Hiryu | what the... xemacs needs libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), I have 2.1.30... why doesn't that work? |
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| 00:52.09 | kanzure | xrandr -q just generally says "Can't open display", yet xinit then tells me that display 0 is already active. xrandr -display 0 still says Can't open display 0. So what gives? |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | !why is xemacs not in testing |
| 00:52.34 | dpkg | xemacs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xemacs |
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| 00:54.16 | pipeline | kanzure: try -display :0 |
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| 01:01.22 | kanzure | pipeline: Thank you. |
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| 01:03.08 | kanzure | This is generally not working out for me. The xrandr tutorial is telling me some commands to run, like xrandr --output VGA-0 --on, but the VGA monitor just sits there. :-/ I have to ALT+F7, but then they both turn on no matter what, and always both LCD and CRT copy each other's screen. |
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| 01:03.51 | xaphan_0_o | ZoneOne Live Now http://xaphan.us |
| 01:03.56 | xaphan_0_o | ZoneOne Live Now http://xaphan.us |
| 01:03.57 | Nyle | kanzure, grandr |
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| 01:04.25 | Nyle | kanzure, graphically arrange your monitors the way you want (also you may have to specify a Virtual size |
| 01:04.29 | Nyle | in xorg.conf |
| 01:04.41 | Nyle | meaning both resolutions added together |
| 01:04.49 | Hiryu | so since the libldap situation seems to be a bit broken in testing I have to use xemacs from sid |
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| 01:04.59 | Nyle | see if that works |
| 01:05.12 | Nyle | kanzure, you have xinerama enabled? |
| 01:05.20 | Nyle | xrandr will not function with it afaik |
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| 01:07.36 | Hiryu | anyone else have the same experience. Have to pin sid's/unstable's xemacs to get xemacs in testing? |
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| 01:07.57 | Nyle | Hiryu, add deb-src for unstable and apt-get -t unstable install xemacs |
| 01:08.08 | Nyle | er.. |
| 01:08.14 | Nyle | s/deb-src/deb |
| 01:08.44 | Dewi | be careful it doesn't drag a lot of stuff through |
| 01:08.47 | Hiryu | Nyle: that's one way to do it, but I'm using pinning to keep my system mostly testing, followed by etch. xemacs is the only sid I have on this system now |
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| 01:08.52 | Dewi | you might be better off building the source package |
| 01:09.00 | Hiryu | you mean backporting? |
| 01:09.00 | Nyle | Hiryu, man apt_preferences |
| 01:09.00 | Dewi | is there no xemacs in testing? |
| 01:09.03 | Hiryu | no |
| 01:09.18 | Lagbolt | i saw on the wiki that lenny xen kerns dont support dom0? anyone have experience getting lenny to boot xen kern? |
| 01:09.19 | Hiryu | Nyle: that's what I'm doing, I'm just asking if anyone else had to do it. It's already installed and works perfectly. |
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| 01:09.23 | WilDec | My shared host shows 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' -> model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU, E5405 @ 2.00GHz & 'uname -m' -> x86_64 |
| 01:09.23 | WilDec | But, in "/var/cache/apt/archives/" all the .deb's are "*.amd64.deb". |
| 01:09.25 | WilDec | Which ARCH is this, and which .deb's do I install? |
| 01:09.40 | dondelelcaro | WilDec: that's amd64. |
| 01:09.45 | Nyle | Hiryu, no xemacs, but I've done much pinning |
| 01:09.45 | Hiryu | it's the amd64 arch |
| 01:09.45 | CaT[t3] | wil: they're equivalent |
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| 01:09.48 | dondelelcaro | WilDec: aka em64t, aka x86_64 |
| 01:09.55 | Nyle | Hiryu, however, I use mostly sid so I don't pin |
| 01:09.58 | Dewi | !why is xemacs not in testing? |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | xemacs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xemacs |
| 01:10.00 | Hiryu | Nyle: debian needed pinning a long long time ago, it's great |
| 01:10.05 | WilDec | dondelelcaro: A Xeon is equiv to an AMD64? |
| 01:10.08 | Hiryu | Dewi: doesn't say much |
| 01:10.11 | dondelelcaro | WilDec: some xeons are |
| 01:10.13 | Nyle | Hiryu, in some cases you need to pin, mostly not |
| 01:10.13 | pipeline | WilDec: yes |
| 01:10.14 | dondelelcaro | WilDec: some are not |
| 01:10.16 | Nyle | !tell Hiryu -about ssb |
| 01:10.22 | Nyle | Hiryu, thats another way to do it |
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| 01:10.30 | WilDec | pipeline: dondelelcaro I never knew that! Thanks. |
| 01:11.02 | Hiryu | Nyle: I'm only pinning for xemacs and to give preference to these compuz fusion packages I'm using from another repo (I am giving the repo itself higher priority) |
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| 01:11.31 | Hiryu | I'm just happy I have my favorite editor for C installed now |
| 01:11.32 | Nyle | Hiryu, if the package versions are higher in the 3rd party repo, then they will be used |
| 01:11.51 | Hiryu | Nyle: kidna |
| 01:12.05 | Hiryu | there was a real reason why I did it |
| 01:12.09 | Hiryu | it was a while ago so I don't remember |
| 01:12.21 | CaT[t3] | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xemacs21 is a better link. |
| 01:13.09 | Hiryu | like the repo doesn't have a distribution (that is, stable/testing/unstable) defined for it so to mix it with my system which uses pinning, I Just gave the repo itself priority. I *think* that's why but I can't sure, it was a while ago |
| 01:13.38 | Hiryu | CaT[t3]: now much better :) |
| 01:13.46 | Nyle | Hiryu, can I see /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 01:14.14 | Hiryu | # Compiz-fusion packages. |
| 01:14.14 | Hiryu | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 01:14.21 | Hiryu | the relevant section of my sources.list |
| 01:14.21 | Nyle | ahh shame |
| 01:14.25 | stew | Hiryu: you can check for a "Suite" in /var/lib/apt/lists/xxxxxx_Release if it exists |
| 01:14.32 | Nyle | he has good quality packages |
| 01:14.52 | Hiryu | Nyle: they've worked great for me. I just don't like that compiz-fusion is slower than beryl |
| 01:14.54 | Nyle | I'm built from git |
| 01:15.00 | Nyle | everything |
| 01:15.13 | Hiryu | you built your software by hand rather than use apt? |
| 01:15.14 | Nyle | with radeon driver and instead of fglrx too! |
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| 01:15.25 | Nyle | Hiryu, debian doesn't have what I want yet |
| 01:15.36 | Hiryu | how's radeon performance in linux compared to windows now? Is it still a pathetic joke? |
| 01:15.43 | Nyle | no |
| 01:15.54 | Nyle | it has never been. ATI is a good card maker |
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| 01:16.06 | Hiryu | Nyle: personally, debian is my favorite linux dist... but I'm thinking of ALSO installing gentoo so I can boot into more bleeding edge stuff (just to play with it) |
| 01:16.13 | Nyle | linux drivers are usually shit but now we have open source drivers and open specs |
| 01:16.21 | Hiryu | Nyle: with the fglrx drivers performance was terrible, less than half of that of windows |
| 01:16.25 | CaT[t3] | hopes AMD makes said good card maker a good driver make too. |
| 01:16.29 | Nyle | Hiryu, you can stay bleeding edge with debian too |
| 01:16.53 | Hiryu | I finally got fed up, sold my card, and went nvidia... but now there's no 64 bit nvidia drivers for freebsd, etc so I'm thinking of switching again |
| 01:17.00 | Nyle | Hiryu, make a sid chroot in another partition, build your latest apps there, without compromising your entire system |
| 01:17.10 | Hiryu | Nyle: I've had better luck with it in gentoo... experimental is crazy |
| 01:17.12 | Nyle | just have a seperate build env. |
| 01:17.14 | Nyle | fuck gentoo |
| 01:17.19 | Hiryu | oh I suppose I could do that |
| 01:17.27 | Hiryu | gentoo has gotten pretty janky |
| 01:17.32 | Nyle | ick. |
| 01:17.33 | Hiryu | but I really liked portage |
| 01:17.41 | Hiryu | it was like bsd ports but actually good |
| 01:17.42 | Nyle | debian is just fine |
| 01:17.44 | Nyle | for almost everything |
| 01:17.50 | Hiryu | Nyle: I use debian for my day-to-day stuff |
| 01:17.50 | Lagbolt | Nyle, second that . . . |
| 01:18.15 | Hiryu | once we have a somewhat more user-friendly stable release of debian... that will be quite nice |
| 01:18.28 | Hiryu | etch isn't bad at all though |
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| 01:18.50 | Gnurdux | Hiryu, btw have you heard of arch? |
| 01:19.06 | Hiryu | you mean gnu arch (aka tla)? |
| 01:19.10 | Gnurdux | no |
| 01:19.14 | Gnurdux | i mean archlinux |
| 01:19.14 | Hiryu | Then no. |
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| 01:19.17 | cambridgecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.19 | Nyle | arch linux is offtopic here as is gentoo |
| 01:19.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:19.28 | Gnurdux | its sort of like gentoo in spirit, but it doesnt make you compile stuff |
| 01:19.38 | Gnurdux | oh whoops |
| 01:19.39 | Hiryu | Nyle: it's ok, we're just a bunch of debian fans discussing what the guys over the fence are doing |
| 01:19.46 | Nyle | word |
| 01:19.51 | Hiryu | Gnurdux: I thought it was slackware based |
| 01:20.09 | Hiryu | my home box is a quad core so building isn't a huge concern for me |
| 01:20.24 | Nyle | I want to build mini super computers |
| 01:20.35 | Hiryu | heh |
| 01:20.37 | Gnurdux | Hiryu, its also somewhat like slackware but with a real package manager |
| 01:20.40 | gbp | mysql -u root -p ged |
| 01:20.47 | Gnurdux | and more bleeding edge |
| 01:20.49 | Hiryu | Gnurdux: how about a real init? *ducks* |
| 01:20.51 | gbp | oops wrong window |
| 01:20.52 | Gnurdux | its not actually slackware based |
| 01:20.56 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:20.59 | Nyle | don't bleed too much |
| 01:21.00 | Gnurdux | i dont remember what init system it uses |
| 01:21.03 | Nyle | you will die! |
| 01:21.05 | WilDec | (Now that I have the right ARCH .deb's ... ). I'm on a shared host. I can't install in to the "/" hierarchy, but I *can* into "$HOME/". gcc exists on the sys, but gcj does not. |
| 01:21.06 | WilDec | Can I use Debian's apt-get to install gcj into $HOME? |
| 01:21.09 | Hiryu | maybe I'll play with it |
| 01:21.14 | Nyle | debian sid should be bleeding enough for most people |
| 01:21.21 | stew | WilDec: no |
| 01:21.21 | Hiryu | maybe I should create a chroot |
| 01:21.22 | Nyle | some may try experimental |
| 01:21.28 | Hiryu | I have a 500 gig raid 5 array on my home box |
| 01:21.28 | Hiryu | haha |
| 01:21.42 | WilDec | stew: So only option is build 'manually' from src? |
| 01:21.48 | Nyle | download pr0nz |
| 01:22.03 | Hiryu | so how about that kde4(.1), eh? |
| 01:22.20 | Nyle | Hiryu, /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 01:22.33 | stew | WilDec: you could manually unpack the .deb, i guess, but you wont get help in getting things in the right places or running whatever postinst/preinst scripts the package comes with |
| 01:22.34 | Guerin | hm, is kde worth using yet? |
| 01:22.34 | Gnurdux | Nyle, debian sid is actually not that bleeding |
| 01:22.39 | stew | WilDec: nor dependency resolution, etc |
| 01:22.51 | Hiryu | I installed it and it was too slow and buggy for me to really use, I was just wondering about other people's opinions |
| 01:22.56 | Guerin | Gnurdux: perhaps not today. But it might be tomorrow. |
| 01:23.10 | WilDec | stew: Understood. The dependency resolution without apt looks like it could be a bit of a mess :-/ |
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| 01:23.34 | Hiryu | maybe I'll go harass the people in kde4 |
| 01:23.36 | odla | Gnurdux: what's more bleeding edge than sid running alpha software? |
| 01:23.38 | cambridgecow | whats up with the _ after peoples names? |
| 01:23.45 | Nyle | tails |
| 01:24.00 | Nyle | nickserv appends it in case a nick is taken usually, or your irc client will |
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| 01:24.00 | Hiryu | er, in #kde |
| 01:24.01 | nevyn | odla: sid |
| 01:24.04 | stew | cambridgecow: many irc clients will append a _ to your nick if your nick is already taken |
| 01:24.07 | nevyn | odla: sid + experimental on alpha |
| 01:24.11 | cambridgecow | ok |
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| 01:24.14 | Nyle | its not a nickserv thing ? |
| 01:24.19 | Nyle | I thought the services did that too |
| 01:24.19 | stew | no |
| 01:24.27 | Nyle | huh. |
| 01:24.29 | odla | nevyn: i know ... sid + experimental is definitely bleeding edge it's Gnurdux that said it's not |
| 01:24.43 | stew | Nyle: it would happen on a network that doesn't run services |
| 01:24.45 | Gnurdux | oh when you use experimental stuff then you can do ok |
| 01:24.55 | Nyle | i see |
| 01:24.55 | Hiryu | yes... it's very bleeding edge that's why I had to stop using it, my system became unpredictable |
| 01:25.03 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:25.10 | Nyle | that word is a bit annoying |
| 01:25.16 | Hiryu | which one? |
| 01:25.18 | Nyle | bleeding edge? wtf does that mean anyway |
| 01:25.20 | Hiryu | oh |
| 01:25.23 | Nyle | just say really new software |
| 01:25.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:25.26 | Hiryu | it means it's really sharp |
| 01:25.36 | odla | Gnurdux: except that most things go directly into sid and not through experimental |
| 01:25.38 | Hiryu | and wouldn't that be a phrase rather than a word? :) |
| 01:25.48 | Nyle | hehe whater |
| 01:25.52 | Hiryu | hehe |
| 01:26.15 | Nyle | !experimental |
| 01:26.15 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:26.30 | Nick___ | there is some kind hot-plug on linux debian? |
| 01:26.42 | Hiryu | define what you mean by hotplug |
| 01:26.44 | Nyle | Nick___, yes linux debian support hot plugging |
| 01:26.46 | Hiryu | the answer is prolly yes |
| 01:26.50 | Guerin | !test |
| 01:26.50 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:26.54 | Nick___ | plug and play |
| 01:26.57 | Hiryu | !asdf |
| 01:26.57 | dpkg | it has been said that asdf is one of the best players on Team USA |
| 01:27.02 | Nyle | Nick___, yes mostly |
| 01:27.02 | Hiryu | heh |
| 01:27.04 | Hiryu | !hiryu |
| 01:27.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hiryu is the "ls" man. Muad`Dib |
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| 01:27.13 | Hiryu | crap |
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| 01:27.13 | Nyle | !tell Nick___ -about hcl |
| 01:27.16 | Hiryu | that's been there since 1999 |
| 01:27.28 | Hiryu | !tell hiryu about hcl |
| 01:27.34 | stew | Hiryu: please /msg the bot |
| 01:27.35 | Nick___ | hum..ok. |
| 01:27.40 | Nyle | !tell Hiryu -about dpkgbot |
| 01:27.42 | Hiryu | stew: np |
| 01:28.16 | Nyle | this is my fav that everybody should know about |
| 01:28.21 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 01:28.21 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 01:28.43 | Nyle | freakin awesome |
| 01:28.48 | Nyle | stews the man |
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| 01:29.54 | Demosthenes | anyone seen issues viewing man pages in a terminal where highlighted items or quoted items break formatting due to i18n? I reset LANG=C and it went away... |
| 01:29.57 | Nyle | stew, how often are you syncing to dpkg's db? |
| 01:30.14 | Hiryu | that's very awesome |
| 01:30.22 | Hiryu | I've always hated how I had to get on irc to bug dpkg |
| 01:30.36 | Nyle | and its faster too |
| 01:30.46 | Hiryu | yes |
| 01:30.51 | Nyle | AND you see ALL factoids ** around the search term |
| 01:30.53 | stew | 3 3 * * * /home/stew/bin/updatedpkgweb |
| 01:31.06 | Nyle | ahh |
| 01:31.09 | Nyle | nice |
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| 01:51.39 | Pctech37|Mac | Does Debian 4 include CVS? |
| 01:52.35 | stew | Pctech37|Mac: yes |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:52.39 | Pctech37|Mac | k |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:52.46 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 02:03.28 | owen1 | how to tell aptitude not to get the recommended packages? |
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| 02:05.22 | vorpal | hi. i have two network interfaces on the same subnet, which is causing two default routes in my routing table. i can remove this route with "route del ...", but how can i have this done automatically? |
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| 02:07.06 | dub | vorpal, dont add a default for one of them? |
| 02:07.32 | vorpal | dub, this is being sone automatically. what do i need to do to prevent this? |
| 02:07.37 | vorpal | s/sone/done/ |
| 02:07.43 | dub | vorpal, how are you configuring them |
| 02:07.59 | vorpal | dub, via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:08.34 | dub | vorpal, and you have 'gateway' statements under each interface? |
| 02:08.59 | vorpal | ah, yes, i do |
| 02:09.05 | vorpal | thank you |
| 02:09.09 | dub | np |
| 02:09.38 | vorpal | dub, actually.... |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | owen1: man aptitude ... it's clearly noted |
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| 02:11.36 | owen1 | abrotman: got it. thanks |
| 02:11.44 | dub | vorpal, you'll need to bounce the interface for it to take effect |
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| 02:12.15 | vorpal | dub, i need to have a gateway associated with each interface, as i there are services hosted on each one. unfortantely, having two default routes is wreaking havoc with connecting via ssh. perhaps i need to adjus the route metrics? |
| 02:12.42 | vorpal | or bind sshd to only one adapter? |
| 02:12.54 | vorpal | s/adapter/interface/ |
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| 02:13.31 | dub | vorpal, really depends what you're trying to do, second option sounds easier |
| 02:14.21 | dub | (if thats actually the problem which is doubtful) |
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| 02:18.28 | dbmoodb_ | hi i installed selinux i can't play music via amarok -- getting exec errors and some lib's that are not allowed (which i think i fiexed my self) |
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| 02:19.36 | tyraelx | selinux = hassle |
| 02:20.00 | dbmoodb_ | yes i know but i want to use it tyraelx |
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| 02:21.12 | tyraelx | If you really want to use it, you should start reading. |
| 02:21.34 | dbmoodb_ | tyraelx: that is not helping |
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| 02:21.41 | dbmoodb_ | i juse need to set a few things atm |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | if you want to use it ... learn how .. don't come here whining about it |
| 02:22.28 | dbmoodb_ | abrotman: nar i just wondered if some one has a fix for me ---> i'm not sure where its going wrong atm i fixed the libs amarok was using |
| 02:22.37 | Ian_Daniher | daniher.com/Xorg.0.log - I get a "Fatal server error: \n no screens found" |
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| 02:22.47 | Ian_Daniher | via motherboard, dell monitor, debian |
| 02:23.12 | dbmoodb_ | audit(1214878287.325:353): avc: denied { execstack } for pid=6471 comm="amarokapp" scontext=user_u:system_r:unconfined_t:s0 tcontext=user_u:system_r:unconfined_t:s0 tclass=process |
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| 02:25.22 | tyraelx | dbmoodb_: http://selinuxproject.org/page/User_Resources - Happy reading! |
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| 02:27.15 | Pctech37|Mac | svn checkout http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-gui/trunk asterisk-gui <<< dosn't work. why? |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | you didn't tell us the error .. why? |
| 02:28.40 | Pctech37|Mac | -bash: svn: command not found |
| 02:28.55 | tyraelx | Pctech37|Mac: try reading the error. |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | Pctech37|Mac: try installing the svn package |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | !installit |
| 02:29.28 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 02:32.36 | Pctech37|Mac | how do i list dpkg commands? |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | !tell Pctech37|Mac about grounding |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | !tell Pctech37|Mac about refcard |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | or you mean the dpkg bot ? |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:33.39 | unop | ouch |
| 02:35.00 | Pctech37|Mac | lol |
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| 02:35.07 | Pctech37|Mac | who's bot is it? |
| 02:35.36 | Baloo | dpkg is Debian's bot. |
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| 02:35.52 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of dondelelcaro) |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | not quite |
| 02:36.01 | Baloo | Close enough for government work. |
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| 02:46.11 | tyraelx | Anyone got a pop3 server to recommend? |
| 02:47.33 | dondelelcaro | tyraelx: dovecot |
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| 02:50.31 | felipe1982 | I installed a few things from sid. I commented sid in source.list file. How can I downgrade them to stable|etch with command line? |
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| 02:51.02 | fas3r | if i use lvm2 over dm-crypt on my / partition. when i reboot it want passphrase .. ? |
| 02:51.14 | Sertse | hmm |
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| 02:51.20 | Sertse | sound's not working |
| 02:51.26 | Sertse | ran alsaconf |
| 02:51.40 | fas3r | it's just i ask the question because i install this on remote server .... if you see the problem :) |
| 02:51.41 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:51.41 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 02:52.16 | Sertse | thanks |
| 02:52.38 | darkness3477 | Hey, I'm looking for a little help (Even if it's just what I should be googling for :P). I just installed Debian (4.0r3), and am having troubles with my screen. It dos[;ays everything correctly, but it's about 1 cm to the left. meaning I have a big black streak on the right side of the screen, and a portion of the desktop hanging over the screen width(Meaning some of the screen is missing...)_. Anyone know the possible cause of thi |
| 02:52.47 | fas3r | nobody .. :s |
| 02:53.17 | \amethyst | darkness3477: a CRT? |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | darkness3477: it's a difference in the refresh rate most likely .. you can use the monitor settings .. or muck with the reslution/refresh to get it closer |
| 02:53.27 | darkness3477 | Flatron. |
| 02:53.29 | enouf | darkness3477: try your monitor's auto-adjust feature |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | yeah .. CRT :) |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | there's also 'xvidtune' |
| 02:53.56 | Sertse | lol... I am dumb |
| 02:54.06 | Sertse | sounds works now. just needed to change a few prefs |
| 02:54.12 | darkness3477 | Cathode Ray Tude? My screen doesn't seem the right size to fit one of those monstrosities in there :P |
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| 02:55.22 | darkness3477 | Hm, my screen is set at 75Hz, when I've only ever had it set on 60. However, I don't have an option to change it. Unfortunately, I have onboard graphics (Intel) from ages ago, and not sure if they have a linux driver specificaly for it :(. Will try xvidtune |
| 02:55.50 | _stack | an easy way to grep all c++-style comments in a file (on multiple lines) ? |
| 02:55.50 | fas3r | if i use lvm2 over dm-crypt on my / partition. when i reboot it want passphrase .. ? |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | xvidtune lets you "slide" the image around |
| 02:55.56 | fas3r | it's just i ask the question because i install this on remote server .... if you see the problem :) |
| 02:56.03 | Baloo | darkness3477: Adjust your monitor. If you've got a picture, and your monitor isn't older than you are, there's knobs to bring it into view. |
| 02:56.11 | Baloo | Or some menu system to do the same. |
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| 02:56.49 | Baloo | Leave it on 75, 60 is bad for your eyes, especially if you're sensitive to flicker. |
| 02:57.00 | darkness3477 | Tried that, says OSD is locked ;/ |
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| 02:57.59 | enouf | AFAIK, 75Hz VertREfresh, nor 60 matter for LCDs, since they don't have/use refresh rates, they have response time (in ms) |
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| 02:58.15 | darkness3477 | I'm going to search for it.. Maybe it's a settign I put on their by mistake |
| 02:58.19 | darkness3477 | 12ms responce time -_- |
| 02:58.27 | enouf | though., so long as it's not out of your monitor's specification range |
| 02:59.14 | enouf | your OSD is locked? how odd, shoot that thing |
| 02:59.48 | piju | what is the function of microcode.ctl ? |
| 03:00.02 | darkness3477 | I would, but the only other monitor I have is an epically heavy, huge CRT |
| 03:00.36 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:00.37 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:00.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:00.45 | Nyle | hello |
| 03:01.00 | Guerin | i have a huge dirty old sun monitor which needs a converter to work with a VGA outpurt |
| 03:01.22 | abrotman | 13w3 to vga |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | i used to have one here |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | that's the one |
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| 03:01.44 | Guerin | you don't still have the converter, do you? |
| 03:01.51 | Guerin | cannae find one anyplace here |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | i had to order mine |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | kind of a bum deal for a $5 part IIRC |
| 03:02.48 | Guerin | yeah, looks like 50 of our crappy dollars |
| 03:03.08 | Guerin | can probbly buy an actual 21" monitor for that |
| 03:03.27 | darkness3477 | Fixesd =] |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | but not a wicked cool SoG monitor! |
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| 03:03.59 | darkness3477 | Thanks for the help, guys and girls. |
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| 03:10.43 | piju | what is the function of microcode.ctl ? |
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| 03:12.50 | enouf | piju: to load some/any newer specific cpu instruction set abilities/capabilities, do 'locate microcode' "zless /usr/share/doc/microcode.ctl/README.gz" |
| 03:12.53 | Pctech37|Mac | where is x? |
| 03:12.57 | Pctech37|Mac | aaw |
| 03:12.59 | Pctech37|Mac | lol |
| 03:13.10 | Pctech37|Mac | x is at xxx.com |
| 03:13.14 | Pctech37|Mac | where is x |
| 03:13.19 | Pctech37|Mac | where is x? |
| 03:13.27 | Pctech37|Mac | x is at xxx.xom |
| 03:13.29 | enouf | !enter |
| 03:13.29 | Nyle | ddue wtf |
| 03:13.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:13.35 | Nyle | !x |
| 03:13.45 | Nyle | hah translate |
| 03:14.06 | Nyle | !x en de what? |
| 03:14.07 | Pctech37|Mac | !x |
| 03:14.08 | dpkg | :( |
| 03:14.18 | dondelelcaro | stop abusing the bot; use /msg if you must. |
| 03:14.27 | tyraelx | hmm, security.debian.org down? |
| 03:14.43 | dondelelcaro | tyraelx: one of them is up, at least. |
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| 03:16.08 | Vi^3PP | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=158281#158281 |
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| 03:18.39 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: what about it? |
| 03:18.56 | Vi^3PP | well im looking for some help |
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| 03:19.06 | Vi^3PP | if there is a hole i need to close it |
| 03:19.22 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: without the full headers of the email, we can't tell you what's going on, but it's almost certainly a joe-job message, and not one that is actually sent by you. |
| 03:19.23 | Vi^3PP | and iam getting 0 response |
| 03:19.42 | Vi^3PP | that example is the full email header |
| 03:19.46 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: uh... no, it's not. |
| 03:19.47 | NewHandF1omCN | hi. how to get the tcl8.5. in the synaptic , it is 8.4 |
| 03:19.53 | stew | Vi^3PP: what makes you believe that the mail you posted there was sent from claws? |
| 03:20.17 | Vi^3PP | because its only happening in claws and i dont use the web interface but maybe 1x month |
| 03:20.30 | Vi^3PP | and usally from antoher computer |
| 03:20.33 | stew | Vi^3PP: what is happening? |
| 03:20.55 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: the Received: headers, for example, are missing very important bits that almost any legitimate message would have; they also don't have routable ip addresses. |
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| 03:21.08 | stew | Vi^3PP: you are claiming that claws is sending bogus mail. what makes you think that claws is sending this mail? |
| 03:21.17 | Vi^3PP | cause im not |
| 03:21.31 | Vi^3PP | and it is in my sent mail, all mail and on the gmail servers now |
| 03:22.23 | Vi^3PP | dondelelcaro: those are an exact copy of the headers as listed in claws options... the only thing changed is my email addy is omitted |
| 03:22.29 | stew | Vi^3PP: are you: kabinet (85-18-14-28.fastres.net [85.18.14.28]) |
| 03:22.34 | Vi^3PP | no |
| 03:23.23 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: it's missing all of the for: bits, as well as any addresses that would have actually caused it to be routed to you. |
| 03:23.48 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: it's possible that Claws is miss-placing it into sent-email, but it's quite clearly not a message that you actually sent. |
| 03:23.52 | Vi^3PP | let me do a screen shot dondelelcaro |
| 03:24.39 | dondelelcaro | (for example, it's missing the google Received: headers that correspond to the SPF header) |
| 03:25.41 | Vi^3PP | stew: dondelelcaro dccs ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 03:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: uh... DCC SEND to random people who haven't asked for it is kind of rude. |
| 03:25.51 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: use a paste site. |
| 03:25.53 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 03:25.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 03:26.30 | Vi^3PP | u did ask for it indirectly ur questioning my copying of the headers and i am shwoing u what it says |
| 03:26.34 | Vi^3PP | it is not modified |
| 03:26.40 | Vi^3PP | and i dont like my integrity questioned |
| 03:27.27 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: but in any event, I see it now; the headers on top are probably faked, and in any event, it came from Received: from kabinet (85-18-14-28.fastres.net [85.18.14.28]), so it's got nothing to do with Claws. |
| 03:27.36 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: it's just a garden-variety joe-job spam. |
| 03:28.45 | Vi^3PP | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w6ugsi&s=3 |
| 03:30.16 | dondelelcaro | yeah, just spam; nothing exciting. |
| 03:30.34 | Vi^3PP | no its not spam |
| 03:30.39 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: sure it is |
| 03:30.40 | Vi^3PP | its in my sent folder |
| 03:30.50 | Vi^3PP | kk its spam but its in my set folder |
| 03:30.54 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: that's just a folder; there's nothing magical about it |
| 03:30.57 | Vi^3PP | s/set/sent |
| 03:31.32 | stew | Vi^3PP: then whatever mail filtering rule decided to put it in that folder is probably broken |
| 03:31.34 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: spam can be stuck in any folder you want to stick it; filters do it all the time, and it's possible that claws automatically places any message with a from from you in your sent items, or google does. |
| 03:31.36 | homecable | how do i edit sudo so i dont have to keep typeing my passwd in each time i need to dosomthing |
| 03:31.48 | Kumool | how do i make synaptic check for bug reports on every install? |
| 03:31.50 | Vi^3PP | i dont have any filters |
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| 03:32.07 | dondelelcaro | homecable: man sudoers; the short answer is you want it to prompt, though. |
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| 03:32.37 | dondelelcaro | homecable: it won't immediately ask you again, but it will ask you after a suitable timeout |
| 03:32.39 | stew | Vi^3PP: then it sounds like a problem with gmail |
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| 03:33.26 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: apt-listbugs probably will, but I haven't ever tried it with synaptic. |
| 03:33.27 | Vi^3PP | so my email is sendig bogus emails with claws and uploading it to gmail and its gmails fault |
| 03:33.30 | Vi^3PP | that doesnt figure |
| 03:34.00 | stew | Vi^3PP: i don't see any reason to believe that claws sent this mail |
| 03:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: no, you're getting spam, and gmail or claws is putting it in your sent mail folder because the from address matches yours. |
| 03:34.22 | Kumool | dondelelcaro, its i say it because it actually happens when i install something tho i dunno how i made it like that.. short term memory |
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| 03:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: oh, then it's almost certainly apt-listbugs. |
| 03:35.10 | dondelelcaro | (since that's the only thing that displays bug reports that I'm aware of) |
| 03:35.10 | _ZeuZ_ | Kumool, what are you doing here mate? |
| 03:35.12 | Kumool | yeah i think it is... how do i disable it tho.. |
| 03:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: purge it if you no longer want it. |
| 03:35.42 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: or you can selectively edit /etc/apt/conf.d/apt_listbugs (or whatever it is) to disable it. |
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| 03:35.59 | Kumool | well its not that i dont want it... my internet connection iss disconnecting so i just wanna disable it :) |
| 03:36.13 | Kumool | ah ok thx dondelelcaro :) what does that mean btw? |
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| 03:36.37 | dondelelcaro | Kumool: it's run through a hook in apt, if you edit that configuration file, you can disable it. |
| 03:37.07 | dondelelcaro | (you may also be able to disable it using dpkg-reconfigure apt-listbugs; but I can't guarantee that) |
| 03:37.28 | stew | Vi^3PP: 85.18.14.28 seems to be listed on many blacklists as a known spammer IP |
| 03:37.33 | Vi^3PP | well considering that i have been using gmail for about 5 yrs, and debian for about that long also, i did a fresh install of lenny a few weeks ago and have only used claws for email, and this problem just started in the past few weeks |
| 03:38.03 | Vi^3PP | how do i get claws from doing this non spam spam |
| 03:38.24 | dondelelcaro | Vi^3PP: file a bug against the package explaining precisely what happened, ideally with steps to reproduce it. |
| 03:38.26 | Vi^3PP | that always has the same subject line and such |
| 03:38.43 | Vi^3PP | how do i reproduce it it just shows up |
| 03:39.18 | Vi^3PP | and i have contacted the maintainer, alioth, debian security and you all are the first ones that have had any kind of response |
| 03:39.31 | Agrajag- | Vi^3PP: because it's sent to you. it might have only started happening recently because you've only started receiving that type of spam recently. |
| 03:39.52 | Vi^3PP | well i dont know if it is only sent to me.. there could be bcc's |
| 03:40.54 | stew | Vi^3PP: so your theory is that claws generated an email that was forged to look like it was delivered from a known spammer's ip address to google, and forged the spam checking that google does (like the spf report), then put this email into your sent folder, then uploaded this email to google without google putting any additional headers on it? |
| 03:40.56 | Agrajag- | if you really do think you're sending out spam, start checking your outgoing smtp and see if you really are. |
| 03:41.16 | stew | Vi^3PP: our theory is that you received some spam and it got mis-filed. our theory is much more simple |
| 03:42.36 | Pctech37|Mac | where can i find debian's web site? |
| 03:42.41 | Pctech37|Mac | (testing the bot) |
| 03:42.47 | stew | Pctech37|Mac: debian.org |
| 03:42.53 | Pctech37|Mac | o sorry ill msg it |
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| 03:44.03 | miksuh | I need faster adsl :) Just upgrding one of my computers from etch to lenny. Looks like it will download packages next 9 hours.. 8þ |
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| 03:44.23 | streuner | sounds like dialup |
| 03:44.33 | miksuh | 1mbit/s adsl |
| 03:44.37 | miksuh | 1Mbit/s |
| 03:45.00 | enouf | homecable: http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-sudo.html |
| 03:45.54 | Pctech37|Mac | where can i find SVN? |
| 03:46.08 | stew | Pctech37|Mac: aptitude install subversion |
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| 03:48.33 | Pctech37|Mac | huh? |
| 03:48.52 | Pctech37|Mac | So, what do i type? |
| 03:49.02 | stew | Pctech37|Mac: "aptitude install subversion" |
| 03:49.08 | Pctech37|Mac | o |
| 03:49.11 | Pctech37|Mac | ty lol |
| 03:49.46 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.08 | streuner | (that was bad luck) ;-) |
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| 03:52.00 | faca_ | hello ! |
| 03:52.18 | streuner | peterS has surely some over-tric to set special signs for "lol" ;-) |
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| 03:54.38 | ootput | hello I would like to know how to list packages that I installed with aptitude that were of "recommended" or "suggested" status. I would like to remove these packages |
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| 03:56.28 | faca_ | ootput i think i have the solution, just 1 minute |
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| 03:57.55 | peterS | streuner: no, I actually type the loldude by hand |
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| 03:58.27 | faca_ | ootput, the suggested packages aren't automatically installed |
| 03:58.43 | faca_ | so, they are installed if you do it |
| 03:58.45 | ootput | faca_: recommended |
| 03:58.51 | ootput | ? |
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| 03:59.01 | faca_ | sorry mu bad english |
| 03:59.25 | \amethyst | ootput: aptitude search '~i~M!~R~i' |
| 03:59.37 | streuner | peterS: sure, its simpler to ask a question in order to get a result :-) |
| 03:59.43 | \amethyst | ootput: that finds all automatically-installed packages that are not dependencies of installed packages |
| 04:00.15 | peterS | stew: and as of today, on unstable that gets you 1.5.0. at long last. (: |
| 04:00.55 | ootput | \amethyst: thanks. would removal of these packages lead to any potential problems? |
| 04:00.56 | stew | peterS: is it the best svn ever? |
| 04:01.08 | \amethyst | ootput: potentially |
| 04:01.28 | stew | peterS: if i were to switch, would I notice? |
| 04:01.31 | \amethyst | ootput: since sometimes they're recommended for good reason |
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| 04:02.12 | peterS | stew: there are a few new things, notably merge tracking and sparse checkouts |
| 04:02.48 | stew | its not likely to get near any projects i actually do merges on anytime soon :) |
| 04:03.12 | stew | peterS: sparse checkout meaning i can checkout sparse parts of a project? |
| 04:03.31 | stew | how do i specify the parts? |
| 04:03.33 | peterS | stew: right. which you sorta already could, with -N, but now sparseness is "sticky" so 'svn update' in a sparse working copy doesn't just fill it all in |
| 04:03.42 | stew | ahh |
| 04:03.53 | peterS | stew: svn checkout --depth={empty,immediates,infinity} |
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| 04:04.21 | peterS | stew: empty meaning the directory but nothing in it. immediates meaning directory plus children but the children are depth=emtpy |
| 04:04.21 | \amethyst | ootput: you can go into the aptitude full-screen interface and do /~i~M!~R~i<Enter> to find a package |
| 04:04.30 | \amethyst | ootput: then n repeatedly to find the next one |
| 04:04.49 | \amethyst | ootput: that way you can go though them one at a time and decide whether you want to keep them |
| 04:04.56 | peterS | stew: the idea is that if you have a specific depth, 'update' does not pull in anything that you don't already have, unless you specify it on the command line. so you can selectively fill in your working copy |
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| 04:05.33 | \amethyst | ootput: in that interface, - marks a package for deletion, _ for purging (deletes the config files too). g accepts the list of selections |
| 04:05.43 | stew | interesting. not sure how I'd use it. i'll go now to sleep on it :) |
| 04:06.03 | peterS | stew: heh. there are lots of other smaller features. like ability for svnserve (you know, svn://...) to use Cyrus SASL for user authentication |
| 04:06.19 | peterS | just in case you want your repositories and your imap server to use the same users and passwords |
| 04:06.56 | faca_ | i've just found the best place to really learn debian, and really learn english xD |
| 04:07.02 | peterS | stew: and http/https can now use either libneon or libserf as a WebDAV backend. serf is somewhat faster but is still experimental |
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| 04:11.21 | grimrider | faca_: where would that be? |
| 04:11.32 | faca_ | hmm |
| 04:11.34 | faca_ | here xD |
| 04:11.44 | grimrider | faca_: o duh lol |
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| 04:26.28 | diegoviola | hello, does debian has mysql cluster on it's repos? |
| 04:26.47 | diegoviola | with ndb |
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| 04:29.27 | faca_ | diego, spanish ? |
| 04:29.33 | diegoviola | yeah |
| 04:29.39 | faca_ | de donde ? |
| 04:29.44 | diegoviola | asuncion, paraguay |
| 04:29.45 | diegoviola | y vos |
| 04:29.57 | faca_ | mendoza argentina |
| 04:30.09 | diegoviola | :) |
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| 04:30.52 | faca_ | q necesitas de sql ? |
| 04:31.17 | diegoviola | necesito mysql cluster con ndb |
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| 04:32.32 | diegoviola | probe instalando manualmente pero tambien necesito perl dbi/dbd::mysql, y al instalar esto del repositorio me da problemas con las librerias... entonces lo que hice fue tratar de instalar manualmente pero el driver no parece funcionar con la ultima version de mysql cluster... |
| 04:32.40 | peterS | diegoviola: start with 'apt-cache search mysql cluster' |
| 04:33.02 | diegoviola | peterS: already tried that... there is no mysql cluster package on etch |
| 04:33.12 | diegoviola | peterS: maybe on unstable/experimental? |
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| 04:33.25 | wols_ | diegoviola: then you'd need to backport. check pdo |
| 04:33.35 | peterS | in unstable, mysql-server-5.0 says "This package includes the server and ndb-cluster binaries" |
| 04:34.02 | diegoviola | great |
| 04:34.04 | peterS | I know mysql-server-5.0 is available on etch - does it not include ndb? |
| 04:34.11 | _ZeuZ_ | che, espa;ol aca no, diegoviola |
| 04:34.18 | diegoviola | _ZeuZ_: ok |
| 04:34.36 | faca_ | why not zeuz ? |
| 04:35.24 | diegoviola | thanks for your help guys, i will try that |
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| 04:37.36 | pablo | hi, if i want to build a package and while compiling there are many compile options, all should be enabeled? |
| 04:38.13 | faca_ | it depends on your nedds |
| 04:38.17 | faca_ | needs |
| 04:38.41 | pablo | faca_: yes, but my needs will fit with other users needs? |
| 04:39.10 | grimrider | has anyone had problems with the beta grub? |
| 04:39.14 | faca_ | in general they would |
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| 04:39.45 | pablo | faca_: ok |
| 04:40.24 | faca_ | make sure to read carefully the readme and install |
| 04:41.02 | faca_ | so if there are any special libraries to point to, you would know |
| 04:41.41 | pablo | faca_: yep |
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| 04:42.14 | _ZeuZ_ | faca_, because for spanish you have #debian-es |
| 04:43.21 | faca_ | ahh ok Zeuz thanks |
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| 04:44.39 | diegoviola | yes, seems like mysql-server-5.0 has ndbcluster support |
| 04:44.52 | diegoviola | in etch |
| 04:44.56 | diegoviola | great, thanks guys |
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| 04:47.05 | iuri | how do i find out the homedir of openssl on my box? |
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| 04:47.24 | peterS | iuri: uh ... openssl doesn't have a "homedir" - what are you really needing to find? |
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| 04:47.51 | iuri | i need to install nsopenssl from aolserver |
| 04:48.12 | iuri | from tarball i already unpack and now need to run make install |
| 04:48.36 | iuri | i need to find out what parameters go in this command |
| 04:49.10 | iuri | such as make install OPENSSL="homedir " AOLSERVER="homedir " |
| 04:49.29 | iuri | peterS, can you follow me? |
| 04:50.01 | peterS | iuri: I have never dealt with aolserver so I don't know what it wants. you do want to make sure to install 'libssl-dev'. |
| 04:50.52 | iuri | so peterS, it's not actually a homedir, it's the directory where openssl is located |
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| 04:51.08 | peterS | iuri: probably /usr then |
| 04:51.30 | iuri | peterS, what would be the shell command to get that |
| 04:51.44 | iuri | i tried which openssl but it return the bin flies |
| 04:51.50 | iuri | i need the lib files |
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| 04:52.39 | iuri | such as openssl/ssl.h: |
| 04:53.55 | peterS | iuri: maybe this will help you: dpkg -S libssl-dev |
| 04:54.00 | peterS | iuri: I mean dpkg -L libssl-dev |
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| 04:58.14 | Inazad | What is the best job in Linux ? |
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| 05:07.45 | odla | why does apt-get source kdebase say that no kdebase is available. i have the following in sources.list deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 05:08.51 | odla | nevermind -t sid get it |
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| 05:10.22 | Kumool | Inazad, i dont get the question... |
| 05:10.47 | Inazad | can we earn our life to work on linux ? if yes, what is the best job :p |
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| 05:17.57 | odla | Inazad: there are quite a few companies out there that support linux |
| 05:20.17 | alleyoopster | morning everyone, I need to understand a bit more about security updates, specifically is the kernel also likely to get updated? |
| 05:20.49 | epsilon | Inazad: rm -rf /home/adminannoyingidiots <-- the best job |
| 05:20.50 | Guerin | if the kernel has vulnerabilities, these get addressed in the same manner as any othe rpackage |
| 05:21.34 | epsilon | alleyoopster: if there is a security fix, the kernel package will be distributed via security support like all other packages |
| 05:21.57 | Inazad | epsilon, lol |
| 05:22.47 | epsilon | alleyoopster: the only difference is, you need to reboot the box or VM after installing the upgrade |
| 05:23.20 | alleyoopster | ok thanks, I am trying to build a system for someone and may have to compile a v90 modem driver and didnt want it to break in the future after updates etc |
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| 05:26.23 | Kumool | yes and you can always teach about servers and all that since it is better supported on linux :) or just server running |
| 05:26.35 | alleyoopster | next question, would you advise going with lenny at the present time ? |
| 05:26.50 | Kumool | actually the only thing windows is good for now that i think about it is game making and support |
| 05:27.07 | Guerin | alleyoopster: not if you want to leave it as-is; you'll be needing to hand-hold lenny at least until it stabilises. |
| 05:28.00 | Kumool | yeah :) plus etch has some good appz that do theyre job... still cant use firefox but i prefer to play it safe and keep my system running as good as possible |
| 05:28.04 | alleyoopster | Guerin: ok, I read that security updates run for about a year, so I can look at upgrading then |
| 05:29.00 | alleyoopster | Is upgrading Debian easy, I have never done it? |
| 05:29.15 | `ns` | I am trying to update my debian\testing machine from 2.6.8-2-386 kernel to 2.6.24-1-686 kernel . I lose my network connection. In dmesg I find reference to eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe800, IRQ 17, 00:01:6c:bd:0e:10 and udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 05:29.41 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 05:29.41 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 05:30.17 | CaT[t3] | alley: yes. it can be (least so speaks my personal experience). I've done over 30 sarge->etch upgrades remotely without issue. these were servers, though. That saiud, I've also done about 5+ desktops. |
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| 05:32.24 | `ns` | valdyn, why would they write that to break my ethernet ?? <grin> |
| 05:32.42 | alleyoopster | CaT[t3]: ok thanks |
| 05:32.50 | valdyn | `ns`: to not break it when you just add a card or have 2 cards |
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| 05:33.48 | peterS | `ns`: the point is that udev tries to make sure that whatever order your network drivers load, you always get the same interface for the same card. however, with a big change in kernel like 2.6.8 -> 2.6.24, perhaps it didn't recognize that the card was the same |
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| 05:34.26 | peterS | well, and kernel 2.6.8 did not even support a modern form of udev yet, so that might confuse matters |
| 05:34.47 | `ns` | no fun, so now I have to figure out how to configure the card manually, in the udev rules |
| 05:35.05 | valdyn | `ns`: which is not exactly difficult |
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| 05:36.43 | `ns` | just delete the line that is eth0 right now, and change the sis900 line from eth0 to eth1 ? |
| 05:38.32 | `ns` | well, off to reboot land :) |
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| 05:43.37 | `ns` | and there was much rejoicing, thanks valdyn and peterS |
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| 05:50.16 | kanzure | Hm. Interesting. So when using xrandr the monitors are all displaying a different portion of the same virtual screen. Changing focus between apps on the different monitors doesn't actually work. I think these would need to be on separate virtual desktops to work properly. How could I arrange this? |
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| 05:50.55 | kanzure | Right now my KDE desktops/pages have windows pulled up over both screens, whereas I want to literally assign desktop #2 to physical monitor #2. |
| 05:50.59 | kanzure | Is this a KDE issue? |
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| 06:04.41 | jroes | anyone know when exactly @monthly happens in crontab? |
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| 06:05.33 | CaT[t3] | jroes: man 5 crontab |
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| 06:07.28 | jroes | thanks |
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| 06:24.24 | jbinder | Test. |
| 06:24.26 | jbinder | Test! |
| 06:24.29 | Guerin | Failed. |
| 06:24.36 | jbinder | :O |
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| 06:24.48 | jbinder | bbl showers. |
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| 06:53.17 | pae | hello |
| 06:54.03 | pae | where does hal store the rules for automounting usb drives? |
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| 06:54.49 | Dewi | it seems that non-users like 'sshd' get mail delivered to them |
| 06:54.50 | ionix | hey, can't mount a cifs on debian. Works on CentOS |
| 06:54.50 | ionix | backup:/etc# mount -t cifs -o username=Administrator //192.168.11.25/backup /mnt/backup/ |
| 06:54.50 | ionix | mount: Cannot allocate memory |
| 06:54.52 | Dewi | this seems... wrong to me |
| 06:54.52 | ionix | any ideas? |
| 06:55.17 | Dewi | should I use PAM to restrict mail delivery to less-than-real users, or am I missing something obvious? |
| 06:55.36 | Dewi | ionix: works for me. Are you out of memory? |
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| 06:55.59 | Dewi | ionix: also, do you have package 'smbfs' installed? |
| 06:56.06 | josh__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.31 | ionix | I am not out of hd memory, nor ram |
| 06:56.35 | ionix | ah maybe smbfs |
| 06:56.51 | ionix | cifs needs smbfs to run? |
| 06:57.06 | Dewi | ionix: I believe both protocols are handled by that package |
| 06:57.15 | rnix | i try to use saslauthd with rimap against macosx (cyrus is running there) but when trying to authenticate i get - Unexpected response from remote authentication server. any ideas? |
| 06:57.16 | Dewi | ionix: I could be wrong... |
| 06:57.24 | ionix | because if I type for example mount -t whatever ... |
| 06:57.38 | ionix | it tells me that whatever is not a valid fs. So I assumed cifs was installed correctly |
| 06:57.42 | ionix | let me double check though |
| 06:58.34 | Dewi | ionix: the package description talks about both SMB and CIFS |
| 06:58.52 | ionix | ah it was smbfs |
| 06:58.54 | Dewi | ionix: I generally install that and samba and winbind and everything works |
| 06:58.55 | ionix | great thx |
| 06:59.04 | ionix | but that's a weird error msg that debian gave me though |
| 06:59.09 | Dewi | ionix: yeah that is strange |
| 06:59.36 | Dewi | ionix: it does say "for kernels >= than 2.2.x" which makes me think it's bound quite tightly into the kernel |
| 06:59.55 | Dewi | ionix: so even when you don't have it installed, it is "special" perhaps |
| 07:00.04 | ionix | hmm, still |
| 07:00.10 | ionix | it asked me for the password then, |
| 07:00.10 | ionix | mount error 12 = Cannot allocate memory |
| 07:00.11 | ionix | Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
| 07:01.07 | Dewi | ionix: check this out - http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.networking/2006-10/msg00629.html |
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| 07:01.41 | Dewi | ionix: could be coming from the remote end |
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| 07:02.14 | ionix | well, works on CentOS at this exact very moment |
| 07:02.14 | ZitZ | i'm getting this error in dmesg when my usb storage device tries to auto mount |
| 07:02.17 | ZitZ | usb 2-5: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
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| 07:02.51 | ionix | smbfs gives the same error |
| 07:02.52 | ionix | 3207: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.) |
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| 07:03.32 | ZitZ | sd 3:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 07:03.39 | ionix | let me increase the ram |
| 07:03.50 | Dewi | ZitZ: sounds like it's been unplugged |
| 07:04.19 | Dewi | ZitZ: or you hit it too early |
| 07:04.21 | ZitZ | yeah, but it hasn't and it works perfectly on my laptop, only my laptop uses lenny, this desktop is in sid |
| 07:04.25 | Dewi | ZitZ: how is manual mounting? |
| 07:04.57 | ZitZ | if it take it out and put it back in again, the device sdb1 will not show up in the kernel |
| 07:05.39 | ionix | makes sense, since udev won't see it disconnect |
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| 07:06.10 | ZitZ | it mounts in fine in single user mode |
| 07:06.36 | Dewi | ZitZ: unplugging and re-plugging too quickly confuses the issue. As does auto-mount |
| 07:07.37 | Dewi | ZitZ: I'd disable automount, reboot, wait until everything settles, plug it in and watch the syslog |
| 07:07.42 | ZitZ | actually i just unplugged it and plugged it back in again and tried mounting from the command line, and it after trying to mount it for a long time it ggives this error |
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| 07:07.49 | ZitZ | ntfs_attr_pread: ntfs_pread failed: Input/output error |
| 07:07.49 | ZitZ | Failed to read NTFS $Bitmap: Input/output error |
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| 07:08.19 | Dewi | ZitZ: um... so how is NTFS getting involved if you don't even have a /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 07:08.41 | Dewi | ZitZ: like I say, you need to simplify things, isolate the error |
| 07:08.51 | ZitZ | so you mean disable gnome-volume-manager from starting |
| 07:09.25 | ZitZ | if it mounts fine from the command line in single user mode that means it must be something above hal |
| 07:09.39 | ZitZ | right? |
| 07:09.56 | Dewi | what do you mean by single user mode? |
| 07:10.01 | Dewi | booting with linux single? |
| 07:10.31 | ZitZ | yes |
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| 07:10.59 | ionix | brb |
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| 07:12.06 | Dewi | ZitZ: all I can think of is that the auto stuff might be coming in too quickly and confusing things |
| 07:12.19 | Dewi | ZitZ: that or you have several automounting things running at once |
| 07:12.32 | Dewi | ZitZ: I think there are a few automount systems available |
| 07:12.34 | Dewi | !automount |
| 07:12.35 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 07:12.39 | ZitZ | i thought about that so i uninstalled thunar, nothing |
| 07:12.46 | Dewi | if you had more than 1 active that might cause some mayhem |
| 07:13.27 | ZitZ | i should try to disable gnome-volume-manager and try mounting from the command line? |
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| 07:17.44 | Dewi | ZitZ: well you can remove one of the complexities by taking down X |
| 07:18.04 | Dewi | ZitZ: you could take gdm off auto-start, or just kill it after boot, before plugging anything in |
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| 07:18.22 | Dewi | ZitZ: then sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog , and plug it in and see what happens |
| 07:18.32 | Dewi | ZitZ: if no automounting happens, try manual mount |
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| 07:19.03 | ZitZ | right now i just tried mounting again from the command line and it worked |
| 07:19.19 | ZitZ | i dunno why |
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| 07:23.23 | ZitZ | <gnome-volume-manager> |
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| 07:25.56 | mitsui- | hi |
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| 07:27.48 | lymeca | My Cheese is getting choppy feed from my camera, and the FAQ says: |
| 07:27.49 | lymeca | You may have set "ximagesink" (X Window System (No Xv)) as video-output. This means, that your cpu is doing all the work. Change it to "xvimagesink" (X Window System (X11/XShm/Xv)) in order to let your graphics card do the work. |
| 07:27.53 | lymeca | How do I do this? |
| 07:27.56 | lymeca | Where do I change it? |
| 07:29.24 | jcm | hi, using /etc/aliases or /etc/exim4/email-addresses, I can change default sender but not defautl recipient for cron.d mails |
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| 07:37.40 | batcoder-7 | i am making a little personal server ? |
| 07:37.47 | batcoder-7 | should i use any gui programs ? |
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| 07:37.52 | batcoder-7 | is there any good ones out there? |
| 07:37.58 | batcoder-7 | not that i need or want it just curious |
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| 07:45.13 | Dewi | is esound the sound daemon x apps tend to use? |
| 07:45.18 | Dewi | are there others? |
| 07:47.11 | simonrvn | esd is dead. long live pulseaudio. |
| 07:48.00 | Dewi | simonrvn: right, that was what I was looking at anyway |
| 07:48.07 | Dewi | simonrvn: but the protocol is still the esound one, right? |
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| 07:48.49 | simonrvn | PA can fake esd (esdcompat). though more up to date stuff uses it directly |
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| 07:49.37 | Dewi | I'm trying once again to get decent X remoting |
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| 07:50.01 | Dewi | I just noticed you can get pulseaudio for windows, which looks cool |
| 07:50.09 | Dewi | I just hate VNC |
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| 07:51.49 | Dewi | vncserver (connecting a client from windows) is slow, clipboard integration never works, has 1 static screen resolution with no xrandr |
| 07:52.00 | Dewi | freenx seems to be continuing to be vapourware |
| 07:52.03 | jcm | i want some remote workers to access to lan services; is it better to go with openvnc or with ssh tunelling ? |
| 07:52.16 | jcm | seems openvns is easier to admin |
| 07:52.19 | Dewi | jcm: both |
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| 07:52.31 | Guerin | ssh tunneling for the win |
| 07:52.34 | Dewi | jcm: I usually tunnel vnc over ssh |
| 07:52.35 | Guerin | ain't much it can't do |
| 07:52.47 | Dewi | jcm: if I need GUIs, which normally I don't |
| 07:53.21 | jcm | Dewi: isn't vnc always tunnels over ssh ? |
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| 07:53.26 | jcm | tunneled |
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| 07:53.43 | batcoder-7 | is there a light X serveR? |
| 07:53.44 | Dewi | jcm: no, VNC uses ports 5900 and up, with simple password auth and no crypto |
| 07:53.54 | Dewi | batcoder-7: lighter than xorg? |
| 07:54.11 | batcoder-7 | yes |
| 07:54.25 | ZitZ | i'm back, it did not auto mount with X killed, but i was able to mount it manually with no problems, but then it wouldn't unmount because the device was busy |
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| 07:54.50 | Guerin | batcoder-7: no. |
| 07:54.57 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 07:55.07 | ZitZ | i turned gnome-volume-manager off, it still automounts, but after a while, when i was trying to rescan my collection in amarok, it stopped working |
| 07:55.07 | Dewi | batcoder-7: I think most of the heaviness comes from the client end |
| 07:55.13 | Guerin | batcoder-7: you asked a question. I answered. |
| 07:55.17 | batcoder-7 | yes |
| 07:55.24 | Guerin | gload we agree |
| 07:55.28 | batcoder-7 | im in between |
| 07:55.28 | Dewi | batcoder-7: people usually just get a lighter window manager |
| 07:55.33 | batcoder-7 | dsl or deli linux |
| 07:55.40 | ZitZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.45 | Guerin | batcoder-7: you have our condolences |
| 07:55.54 | ZitZ | usb 3-5: device descriptor read/8, error -110 |
| 07:56.15 | Dewi | ZitZ: so... your device is working, mounted, NTFS going on... then suddenly it drops out? |
| 07:56.17 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: the xserver isnt the heavy part |
| 07:56.19 | wols_ | Guerin: http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/tinyX01.html |
| 07:56.20 | kommodore | what about kdrive? |
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| 07:56.22 | ZitZ | yep |
| 07:56.24 | Dewi | ZitZ: and you have usb errors in syslog? |
| 07:56.36 | Dewi | ZitZ: sounds like your device and/or USB bus hardware are not playing nicely |
| 07:56.38 | batcoder-7 | OpenTokix: what is then ? |
| 07:56.44 | jcm | Dewi: seems openvpn can be setup with certif and keys |
| 07:56.51 | Dewi | ZitZ: I have an external USB HD enclosure that craps out regularly |
| 07:56.52 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: the heavy part is the window manager and the themes engine - if you run let say gnome, you have several layers ontop of the xserver |
| 07:56.56 | Dewi | ZitZ: most annoying |
| 07:57.37 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: http://xwinman.org/ <-- here you can see a rundown of managers. - I can recommend twm if you want something really light |
| 07:57.51 | Guerin | wols_: oo, new? |
| 07:57.54 | mimcpher | Ew, twm. seriously, at least fluxbox. |
| 07:58.00 | ZitZ | the thing is this works fine on my laptop with lenny |
| 07:58.03 | OpenTokix | mimcpher: =) |
| 07:58.05 | Guerin | i was searching for such a thing many moons ago, but couldnae find one |
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| 07:58.08 | OpenTokix | mimcpher: I was getting to that |
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| 07:58.10 | Guerin | evilwm! |
| 07:58.17 | Guerin | it's so good, it's evil |
| 07:58.20 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: if thats alittle to slim for you, fluxbox is a nice middleground |
| 07:58.21 | kommodore | OpenTokix: ratpoison! |
| 07:58.22 | batcoder-7 | also what is the lightest web browser out there? |
| 07:58.23 | ZitZ | makes me afraid to do any upgrades on that laptop |
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| 07:58.28 | wols_ | Guerin: no. it is folded into Xorg by now tho I think. so there sorta is only Xorg in a way |
| 07:58.31 | Guerin | batcoder-7: lynx |
| 07:58.32 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: links |
| 07:58.35 | batcoder-7 | OpenTokix: i thought fluxbox was lighter ? |
| 07:58.39 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 07:58.41 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: then tvm? =) |
| 07:58.48 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: ratpoison is the lightest afaik |
| 07:58.51 | batcoder-7 | i was thinking maybe embedded konq |
| 07:58.56 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you do a server with X? why? |
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| 07:59.09 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: I personally really like xfce4 with gnome-terminals - but then again - my slowest computer is Dual Xeon 3GHz with 2G ram ;) |
| 07:59.12 | Guerin | wols_: webmin, of course! |
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| 07:59.27 | wols_ | how could I forget! |
| 07:59.29 | batcoder-7 | wols_: well it will be my little server yea but i just want to see how a desktop would run on it |
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| 07:59.45 | OpenTokix | I dont get it |
| 07:59.49 | OpenTokix | desktop on a server |
| 07:59.49 | wols_ | to run X clients, no one ever said one needs an X servre batcoder-7 |
| 07:59.52 | OpenTokix | bloat |
| 07:59.52 | dutchfish | hi, how can i obtain a list of all the packages i installed (from manual package install) that have a different version then in curent lenny? |
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| 08:00.12 | wols_ | OpenTokix: not bloat, just terminally stupid. but look who's asking and you don't need to wonder anymore |
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| 08:00.42 | OpenTokix | wols_: aye =) |
| 08:00.48 | mimcpher | OpenTokix, I prefer xfterm to gnome-terminal :-p |
| 08:00.56 | wols_ | aplsin: apt-get upgrade. it will tell you all it'd would install before actually doing it |
| 08:01.14 | OpenTokix | mimcpher: ok, can I get that transparent? |
| 08:01.16 | ZitZ | actually now when i check mount from the command line it says it is still mounted |
| 08:01.21 | OpenTokix | mimcpher: I want to see my pretty desktop wallpaper |
| 08:01.23 | mimcpher | OpenTokix, afaik, yes. |
| 08:01.34 | batcoder-7 | OpenTokix: i wont run the desktop on it actually just to see how itrun then turn it off |
| 08:01.35 | ZitZ | but when i try to change to the directory i get |
| 08:01.37 | ZitZ | ls: cannot open directory .: Input/output error |
| 08:01.46 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 08:01.47 | dpkg | it has been said that i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 08:01.49 | ZitZ | it doesn't show up in nautilus |
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| 08:02.24 | batcoder-7 | how much does a debian distro use ram wise and cpu wise without a x serveR? |
| 08:02.36 | batcoder-7 | like how much does the kerenl etc use ? |
| 08:02.37 | ZitZ | on the ntfs-3g website it says that some errors can be caused by the current version of the driver and an upgrade is recommended |
| 08:02.39 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: about 256M with normal services |
| 08:02.47 | batcoder-7 | holy crap ? |
| 08:02.50 | batcoder-7 | no? |
| 08:02.50 | ZitZ | the problem is debian doesn't have a newer version in the repository |
| 08:02.56 | mimcpher | batcoder-7, a minimal debian install should run inside 32mb of ram fine. |
| 08:02.57 | batcoder-7 | i thought it wa around 24 mb ? |
| 08:03.07 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: sure, you can run on very little ram |
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| 08:03.14 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: but keyword was "normal services" |
| 08:03.17 | ZitZ | and it doesn't explain why it works on my lenny laptop |
| 08:03.20 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: like some web, some mail etc. |
| 08:03.23 | batcoder-7 | no services but kernel |
| 08:03.32 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: ok, and point beeing? |
| 08:03.32 | batcoder-7 | i was just curious hwo much that used |
| 08:03.43 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: thats like asking how much power a toast uses.... if you don't toast |
| 08:03.45 | wols_ | a server without daemons is not exactly a server |
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| 08:03.49 | mimcpher | batcoder-7, you can cram a debian install to run on 16mb of ram. |
| 08:04.02 | mimcpher | I had a dhcp server running debian with 16mb ram |
| 08:04.07 | cahoot | *run* ? |
| 08:04.09 | wols_ | mimcpher: not with X |
| 08:04.16 | mimcpher | wols_, no, not with X |
| 08:04.17 | wols_ | cahoot: swapping all day :) |
| 08:04.17 | batcoder-7 | 2ndly i bet lighttpd + other light server programs would be much less then 256 |
| 08:04.42 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: ok |
| 08:04.51 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
| 08:05.01 | dutchfish | wols_, is 64MB still considered the minimum? |
| 08:05.08 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: if you are going to run nothing on it - I assume 64M is ok |
| 08:05.09 | wols_ | batcoder-7: laptop with X, without apps ~64MB here |
| 08:05.17 | OpenTokix | batcoder-7: but, what kind of computer do you have? |
| 08:05.17 | wols_ | dutchfish: for what? |
| 08:05.31 | dutchfish | wols_, a default install (non graphic) |
| 08:05.46 | Guerin | dutchfish: meaningless question |
| 08:05.52 | Guerin | it's about what you're running |
| 08:05.57 | wols_ | dutchfish: 48 are requirements. after install less. andthere is no debian "default" |
| 08:05.59 | mimcpher | Guerin's right. |
| 08:06.02 | batcoder-7 | wols_: do you have a wm running ? |
| 08:06.17 | wols_ | X without a WM is not really useful, is it? |
| 08:06.19 | Guerin | a default install has nothing running, ergo, the minimum is the minimum install ram, which is 32MB |
| 08:06.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've installed 2.6.18 with Xorg on a 233mhz with 64 megs of ram |
| 08:06.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | it runs quite nicely |
| 08:06.27 | Guerin | (as low as 12MB if you're tricky) |
| 08:06.27 | dutchfish | wols_, ok, my bad word choice, i meant only a base system |
| 08:06.37 | wols_ | Blast_Hardcheese: ffox will choke. dillo is doable |
| 08:06.54 | OpenTokix | do people do everything on the hardest possible way? |
| 08:06.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | Iceweasel ran perfectly well |
| 08:07.00 | wols_ | dutchfish: less than 32MB, especially if you trim it a bit |
| 08:07.08 | dutchfish | wols_, ok |
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| 08:07.12 | dutchfish | hi, how can i obtain a list of all the packages i installed (from manual package install) that have a different version then in curent lenny? |
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| 08:08.01 | Guerin | dutchfish: you asked this already |
| 08:08.16 | dutchfish | Guerin, yes, sorry, i thought it was overlooked |
| 08:08.18 | Guerin | dutchfish: what do you mean by `manual package install'? |
| 08:08.23 | mimcpher | I developed a debian based appliance at the last place I worked, and we crammed it down pretty tight on ram usage. We had apache and icecast and our service running comfortably in 64 mb ram, but we threw 512 sticks in since they're so easier to find |
| 08:08.34 | dutchfish | Guerin, the packages i got from sid and made myself |
| 08:08.39 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.42 | dutchfish | Guerin, from upstream |
| 08:08.58 | Guerin | dutchfish: you don't know what these packages were? |
| 08:09.16 | dutchfish | Guerin, most of them yes, not all however |
| 08:09.21 | mimcpher | Its easy to lose track over a period of time |
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| 08:09.37 | dutchfish | Guerin, i thought ther emust be a way to make such a list |
| 08:09.41 | Guerin | not if you use prefix=/usr/local |
| 08:09.49 | mimcpher | I've got one real crufty install on my test-deployment machine that needs to be cleaned up badly :-p |
| 08:09.52 | Guerin | dutchfish: i'm not aware of an easy way |
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| 08:10.14 | kommodore | dutchfish: Try filtering output of apt-show-version after modifying your sources.list? |
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| 08:10.33 | batcoder-7 | how is xvesa and xfree? |
| 08:10.44 | dutchfish | Guerin, like aptitude shows local and old packages |
| 08:10.53 | Guerin | batcoder-7: try to ask an actual question |
| 08:11.33 | batcoder-7 | i mean which performs better? |
| 08:11.59 | Guerin | !info xvesa |
| 08:12.46 | internat85 | how would i go about connecting from my debian box to my sun box, via the console? |
| 08:12.47 | dutchfish | kommodore, most things i have like kernel, kernel-headers, kvm-modules, kqemeu, but i miss some of the upgrade libc6 |
| 08:13.01 | internat85 | serial console that is |
| 08:13.10 | Guerin | batcoder-7: perhaps you might consider something that's actually in debian |
| 08:13.23 | dutchfish | kommodore, the thing is this station is running flawless now, and i want to clone it |
| 08:13.25 | Guerin | dutchfish: good luck with that |
| 08:13.48 | dutchfish | Guerin, i gues i need it |
| 08:13.54 | Guerin | sure doi |
| 08:13.58 | kommodore | dutchfish: if you use a local repository, it should be easy |
| 08:14.00 | simonrvn | with a serial cable... (null modem) |
| 08:14.15 | themill | dutchfish: /msg dpkg obsolete ; /msg dpkg list repositories ; see also apt-show-versions |
| 08:14.22 | internat85 | i meant what command would i run to connect from the debian box :) |
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| 08:14.51 | dutchfish | kommodore, for the packages i compile dmyself yes, from the things of sid .... hey wait, you are right ... [bangs his head on the desktop] |
| 08:15.25 | simonrvn | !bang dutchfish |
| 08:15.40 | dutchfish | i really need a coffee-break ... sigh |
| 08:15.48 | simonrvn | !coffee dutchfish |
| 08:15.49 | dpkg | decants a fine mud of Jamaican Blue Mountain for dutchfish, courtesy of simonrvn |
| 08:15.58 | dutchfish | simonrvn, thank you! |
| 08:16.04 | simonrvn | :D |
| 08:16.46 | dutchfish | simonrvn, last question, those old sid packages have some newer already, how to install and hold them in one go? |
| 08:17.01 | dutchfish | simonrvn, on the clonemachine? |
| 08:17.28 | batcoder-7 | is the xfree96 window syste nmth commonly known xorg one ? |
| 08:17.30 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ok, got it |
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| 08:18.21 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:18.27 | Guerin | batcoder-7: now you're just making shit up |
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| 08:19.19 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i never do mix-installs but this time i had a very good reason |
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| 08:21.58 | jaggz- | I use kde.. moving through menus is irritating because the submenu disappears too quickly.. can I make it so there's a delay, or so when I *click* that submenu will stay put? |
| 08:22.12 | jaggz- | I hate navigating through along the menu-lines to get to the cheese |
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| 08:24.27 | simonrvn | dutchfish: what? |
| 08:26.18 | jaggz- | hey simon |
| 08:26.51 | dutchfish | simonrvn, kvm with latest virtio |
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| 08:29.33 | dutchfish | jaggy-, http://meta.ath0.com/2008/01/18/kde-4-ui-critique/ |
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| 08:32.57 | dutchfish | apropos kudos to the mesa developers maintaners, a lot has been fixed in latest lenny |
| 08:32.59 | themill | nothing like UIs to bring on the holy wars... |
| 08:32.59 | DawnLight | good time, people |
| 08:34.18 | DawnLight | i'm looking for a way to generate a list of packages with versions and states (manually/automatically). and also a way to tell aptitude to install these. is this possible? |
| 08:34.41 | themill | DawnLight: /msg dpkg aptitude-fu |
| 08:34.52 | dutchfish | DawnLight, dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 08:35.18 | simonrvn | dutchfish: *blink* |
| 08:35.29 | themill | For a partial answer, at least. You'll need to look at the aptitude-doc manual for further searches and you might need to combine that with a dpkg query. |
| 08:36.01 | dutchfish | simonrvn, got also the "fixed" latencytop working |
| 08:36.15 | themill | DawnLight: actually, just /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 08:36.37 | DawnLight | --get-selections aptituce clone doesn't give me versions, not type of state |
| 08:36.43 | DawnLight | s/not/nor |
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| 08:36.55 | Sertse | well migrated to debian testing |
| 08:37.08 | Sertse | from buntu. feels nice. |
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| 08:37.30 | dutchfish | DawnLight, dpkg -l ? |
| 08:37.50 | themill | DawnLight: you don't need the versions, there will only be one version installable on the other machine anyway; aptitude clone only takes manually installed packages and then the final "aptitude install" command will bring in the automatically installed packages ...err... automatically. |
| 08:38.19 | DawnLight | i'm using backports, so there is more then one version |
| 08:38.23 | Sertse | that said =/ nautilus feels underwhelming here. Though I guess no one notices since you all use cli ;) |
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| 08:38.43 | dutchfish | DawnLight, looks like my problem (almost) ... |
| 08:38.47 | DawnLight | so for this i have to have the version specified |
| 08:39.03 | themill | DawnLight: ahh.. so your real question is how do I know what came from backports.org.... /msg dpkg list repositories ; /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 08:39.08 | DawnLight | plus, aptitude doesn't automatically mark the dependencies if they are from backports |
| 08:39.40 | DawnLight | no, my real question is how do i make a list of packages to install, with versions |
| 08:40.00 | DawnLight | how do i make this list from an existing installation |
| 08:40.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, dpkg -l would do that? |
| 08:40.30 | themill | DawnLight: the versions are irrelevant though, the repository is the important thing |
| 08:40.49 | OpenTokix | dpkg -l | cut -f 3 -d " " <-- for just the packagenames |
| 08:40.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching | cut -f 3 -d " " <-- for just the packagenames |
| 08:40.59 | DawnLight | you are right, the repos are more important |
| 08:41.15 | themill | DawnLight: Otherwise, the next time someone releases a new version on backports.org, your list becomes fubar |
| 08:41.25 | DawnLight | correct. good thinking |
| 08:41.38 | DawnLight | so how do i do this? |
| 08:41.44 | dutchfish | DawnLight, unless there are newer versions in the repos that break your dependicies (manual installed packages, as i have) |
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| 08:42.14 | dutchfish | DawnLight, but that happens only in a mix-install |
| 08:42.24 | DawnLight | what is a mix-install? |
| 08:42.37 | themill | DawnLight: make sure your machine is up to date with backports.org and hack at one of the scripts from /msg dpkg list repositories |
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| 08:42.43 | DawnLight | is it possible to tell aptitude to install a package from a specific repo? |
| 08:42.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, per example lenny with some packages from sid or selfmade from upstream |
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| 08:43.02 | DawnLight | i don't do these kind of mixes |
| 08:43.09 | dutchfish | DawnLight, good |
| 08:43.10 | themill | DawnLight: aptitude install foopackage/etch-backports barpackage/etch e.g. |
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| 08:43.30 | DawnLight | i'll check the aptitude manual... |
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| 08:43.31 | themill | DawnLight: Or aptitude install -t etch-backports pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 |
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| 08:44.32 | themill | DawnLight: You'd probably be better off with the second form of that as that will help with getting dependencies from backports.org too. So you'll need to split the installation run up into an "etch" command and a "etch-backports" command. |
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| 08:45.15 | DawnLight | that's no problem |
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| 08:46.21 | jaggy- | thyanks dutchfish.. reading the url on kde |
| 08:46.22 | readon | i am using Xfce in etch. but when i start the x environment. scim would not be inited. is it a bug? |
| 08:46.55 | dutchfish | jaggy-, to bad i have no workarround |
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| 08:47.36 | wols_ | !tell readon about errors |
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| 08:49.09 | jaggy- | I'm still at kde 3.5 .. (etch) |
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| 08:51.43 | jaggy- | it reminds me of vista's navigation.. |
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| 08:51.47 | jaggy- | kde 4 |
| 08:51.47 | rvsjoen | which modules are needed to set up a ssh tunnel ? I already have the tunnel4 module |
| 08:51.50 | wols_ | jaggy-: and you should stay there |
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| 08:52.11 | wols_ | rvsjoen: install ssh, done |
| 08:52.43 | rvsjoen | nope, says "sys_tun_open: failed to open tunnel control interface: No such device" |
| 08:52.53 | readon | i am using Xfce in etch. scim would not start when X started. in other words, scim icon have not appeared in the pannel. but it works well in Gnome. |
| 08:52.58 | wols_ | rvsjoen: ssh tunnels are not ipv6/ipv4 tunnels.... |
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| 08:55.39 | readon | i am using Xfce in etch. scim would not start when X started. in other words, scim icon have not appeared in the pannel. but it works well in Gnome. |
| 08:55.53 | cmanns | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 08:55.53 | cmanns | ? |
| 08:55.58 | themill | !mmap |
| 08:55.58 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 08:56.20 | themill | readon: we heard you the first three times.... either you're not giving us enough information or we don't know |
| 08:56.46 | cmanns | Can't I use sid repo for a package on etch? |
| 08:57.00 | wols_ | cmanns: no |
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| 08:57.03 | cmanns | aw |
| 08:57.08 | wols_ | you can use backports or create your own |
| 08:57.13 | wols_ | !tell cmanns about ssb |
| 08:57.15 | themill | dpkg: tell cmanns about backports |
| 08:57.38 | XTZGZoReX | Where does one make his motd for ssh, again? |
| 08:58.07 | wols_ | !Motd |
| 08:58.08 | dpkg | somebody said motd was the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
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| 08:58.24 | abbe | hi channel |
| 08:58.40 | cmanns | hmm so then I'll have to install it manually i guess :( |
| 08:59.05 | abbe | while trying to do apt-get update, using our local apt-cacher server, I get, Failed to fetch http://apt.server.tld:3142/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 08:59.26 | rvsjoen | man motd would tell you that /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd which is generated on boot using the contents of /etc/motd.tail |
| 08:59.28 | abbe | is wondering why is it fetching Packages.gz while there is a Packages.bz2 file |
| 08:59.43 | themill | !wayttd cmanns |
| 08:59.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cmanns? |
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| 08:59.59 | cmanns | Need luarocks :/ |
| 09:00.25 | ddalton_ | hey, on my debian laptop I have: ttyS0 ttyS1 and ttyS2 oh and ttyS3 how can I check what these ports are? to see if my dial up modem is one of them? |
| 09:00.26 | berzerka | If i don't want to use kernel-package (for whatever reason, number one would be portability, number two installation speed), is it in any way problematic to build a custom kernel and install i 'by hand'? How would you build the initrd then? |
| 09:00.42 | berzerka | s/i/it/ |
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| 09:00.50 | themill | cmanns: so follow the instructions from dpkg about making a simple sid backport. It's not hard. |
| 09:00.51 | wols_ | berzerka: your reasons are non-reasons |
| 09:00.59 | wols_ | especially portability |
| 09:01.19 | berzerka | wols_: is kernel-package available on every linux system? |
| 09:01.27 | jaggy- | I shall stay at etch? |
| 09:01.30 | themill | wols_: your question tells some of the reasons you should use kernel package... |
| 09:01.57 | wols_ | berzerka: it is available on every debian system, and that's all that matters in here |
| 09:02.18 | berzerka | I see I'm on my own.. |
| 09:02.23 | themill | errr... ETAB... need coffee.... |
| 09:02.23 | berzerka | well thanks anyway. |
| 09:02.33 | ddalton_ | jaggy-: up too you... but no, I prefer lenny, more and better and more updated packages |
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| 09:03.02 | abbe | any ideas anyone ? |
| 09:03.02 | themill | jaggy-: that's not going to solve your menu problem if that's what you're asking |
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| 09:03.07 | ddalton_ | erm... so... no way to check what a serial port actually is? |
| 09:03.10 | wols_ | ddalton_: check dmesg. and you could use minicom and type ATZ on every ttySx. the one that answers with "OK" is a modem |
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| 09:03.27 | dutchfish | abbe, you are behind a proxy that could mess things up? |
| 09:03.28 | wols_ | ddalton_: what modem is it actually? |
| 09:03.47 | berzerka | (i used a custom installed kernel with debian for years, i just don't understand why suddenly it shall be absolutely required to use kernel-package..) |
| 09:04.05 | wols_ | berzerka: so you can install and uninstall it for example |
| 09:04.05 | OpenTokix | berzerka: it's so much simpler =) |
| 09:04.17 | berzerka | OpenTokix: i know and really appreciate it. |
| 09:04.19 | simonrvn | !coffee themill |
| 09:04.19 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of simonrvn |
| 09:04.21 | abbe | dutchfish: I'm using apt-cacher proxy to fetch packages |
| 09:04.22 | wols_ | so that it gets automatically added to your boot menu |
| 09:04.29 | themill | thanks, simonrvn |
| 09:04.29 | abbe | dutchfish: is that not recommended ? |
| 09:04.30 | wols_ | so you can build it on antoher machine and copy it over |
| 09:04.33 | simonrvn | dpkg: wtf are you doing? |
| 09:04.35 | rvsjoen | mkinitrd makes the initial ramdisk image for you no ? |
| 09:04.35 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 09:04.39 | wols_ | so you easily have kernel headers when needed. etc |
| 09:04.44 | jaggy- | oh.. the menu thing is just one irritating issue |
| 09:04.45 | wols_ | rvsjoen: no |
| 09:04.52 | simonrvn | had by the bot... haha |
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| 09:05.05 | Guerin | but is it organic fairtrade Jamaican blue mountain? huh, huh? |
| 09:05.21 | berzerka | wols_: i know, i know, it is very convenient. and also nice to manage the kernels by debs. but is there really strong reason why I _need_ it, aside comfort? |
| 09:05.23 | simonrvn | yes, because i say so |
| 09:05.33 | jaggy- | each time I update my kernel it overwrites my entries in grub.conf |
| 09:05.34 | dutchfish | abbe, no, thats fine, but check if it has been properly configured and does really work |
| 09:05.44 | jaggy- | menu.lst or whatever it is |
| 09:05.48 | wols_ | jaggy-: then you haven't configured your menu.lst properly. which entries? |
| 09:05.53 | simonrvn | jaggy-: yes |
| 09:05.54 | jaggy- | I have to manually go in and set my raid entries again |
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| 09:05.58 | ddalton_ | wols_: dunno, internal... I just wanna know if linux can see it before I blow 30 bucks on one. |
| 09:06.02 | wols_ | jaggy-: kernel parameters? |
| 09:06.06 | ddalton_ | (laptop internal one) |
| 09:06.09 | jaggy- | (after not knowing it and the system failing to boot :) |
| 09:06.10 | wols_ | ddalton_: lspci, lsusb |
| 09:06.14 | berzerka | wols_: I mean, i have a huge bunch of other systems to administer (not my choice), and am simply looking for a way to install a kernel which will work on all, or most, linuxes. |
| 09:06.17 | Guerin | simonrvn: i was getting coffee for my minions, and one insisted on knowing whether the cafe was serving fairtrade coffee. So I asked the coffee gal. She said no. So I said `I guess that makes it unfair trade coffe, then, right?' |
| 09:06.18 | jaggy- | wols, yeah... |
| 09:06.22 | rvsjoen | isn't that what mkinird _does_ ? |
| 09:06.23 | abbe | dutchfish: I've couple of ubuntu desktops, which use that as apt proxy server, fine with no issues. |
| 09:06.28 | wols_ | berzerka: that's what debian kernels are for |
| 09:06.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: heh |
| 09:06.52 | jaggy- | kernel param: root=/dev/mapper/pdc_yaddayadda |
| 09:07.07 | wols_ | jaggy-: change your # groot then. READ the comments before you edit |
| 09:07.45 | ddalton | thanks, what do I look for? |
| 09:07.53 | wols_ | ddalton: a modem... |
| 09:08.09 | ddalton | so... its just called modem or has modem in the name? |
| 09:08.23 | ddalton | wols: im talking to you, sorry... (about not putting your name there) |
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| 09:09.00 | abbe | dutchfish: http://rafb.net/p/24NNU814.html |
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| 09:09.16 | rgr | Is anyone aware of a debian package where mplayer includes libmp3lame support? I need to convert ogg to avi and really do not want to start compiling my own mplayer which currently lacks it in Lenny. |
| 09:09.56 | abbe | rgr: ffmpeg |
| 09:10.03 | prahal | rgr, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 09:10.05 | dutchfish | abbe, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz (as in example) is correct, so i would triple check your proxy |
| 09:10.13 | jaggy- | root=(hd0,2) is fine.. that gets the proper physical drive and begins loading things.. necessary to get the raid setup going in the first place.. but then root=/path/ has to pick the proper device |
| 09:10.14 | wols_ | !tell rgr about dmm |
| 09:10.15 | Guerin | debian's own packages don't include encoders |
| 09:10.34 | abbe | dutchfish: I'm using ftp.jaist.ac.jp (1st) and ftp.riken.go.jp (2nd) mirrors |
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| 09:10.48 | Guerin | because they (especially mp3 encoders) are patent-encumbered, and the owners (especially fraunhofer) are fairly aggrerssive |
| 09:10.54 | jaggy- | I have this: root (hd0,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-k7 root=/dev/mapper/pdc_dcfjeddhcj4 ro |
| 09:10.57 | dutchfish | abbe, should be the same, uless those mirrors have problems atm |
| 09:10.58 | wols_ | jaggy-: mea culpa. there is another option similar to groot in those comments |
| 09:11.03 | rgr | wols_: I have that in my sources.list. |
| 09:11.13 | jaggy- | it's the root= part which gets broken.. cool.. I'll rtfm .. what's mea culpa? |
| 09:11.17 | wols_ | jaggy-: # kopt |
| 09:11.17 | jaggy- | my fault? |
| 09:11.18 | dutchfish | !mirror-status |
| 09:11.29 | wols_ | rgr: then install the mplayer from there? |
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| 09:11.51 | dutchfish | abbe, you can check that here: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 09:11.57 | rgr | Wols: I cant see how to force it to their version. Or do you mean I must download the .deb file from there? |
| 09:12.10 | wols_ | !tepp rgr about aptitude fu |
| 09:12.17 | abbe | dutchfish: yes, you're right something is messed up with my proxy, both mirrors have that file |
| 09:12.19 | wols_ | !tell rgr about apt howto |
| 09:12.27 | ddalton | wols: sorry, too many computers, not enough braille displays :-) anyway... it sees it... |
| 09:12.29 | Guerin | oo, there's an aptitude fu factoid |
| 09:12.30 | abbe | dutchfish: thanks |
| 09:12.33 | dutchfish | abbe, yw |
| 09:12.37 | prahal | hi I have a c/xcb question : http://rafb.net/p/MJhBN959.html as one could see "c" variable value change without anything modifying it . And there is a lock above the _xcb_out_send call http://rafb.net/p/uc539M99.html (l.39) . I am out of guess what s wrong with xcb code could someone help ? |
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| 09:12.52 | jaggy- | awesome.. thanks.. :) |
| 09:13.00 | Guerin | prahal: have you tried #c? |
| 09:13.06 | wols_ | ddalton: it sees it via ttySx or in lspci/lsusb? |
| 09:13.41 | wols_ | Guerin: nah. too obvious |
| 09:13.48 | Guerin | wols_: silly me |
| 09:14.14 | prahal | Guerin, yup I am on it . But they have told "I have not read your code" so this have not gone far |
| 09:14.32 | ddalton | here is what I see from grepping output of lspci: '00:08.0 Modem: ALi Corporation ' and then I think a model number and Ac 97 modem... |
| 09:14.35 | Guerin | prahal: I have not read your code either. |
| 09:14.39 | prahal | even if the code is in the pastebin |
| 09:14.43 | themill | Guerin, wols_: there is now... (it was aptitude-fu) |
| 09:14.48 | ddalton | ac 97 modem controler. |
| 09:14.54 | ddalton | so does that mean linux supports it? |
| 09:15.06 | Guerin | (not that it would be a damned bit of help, since I know less about programming c than I do about the rare amazonian tree-marmot) |
| 09:15.15 | ddalton | wols: all that stuff above from me is directed at you. :-) |
| 09:15.19 | rgr | wols_: is there one keyword you can give me, there is a ton of info there. |
| 09:15.26 | Guerin | ddalton: that's not enough information. a |
| 09:15.29 | wols_ | !linuxant |
| 09:15.34 | jaggy- | so very exciting to have something unstable... stabilized. |
| 09:15.38 | Guerin | ddalton: ac97 is a codec which is used by huindreds of sound cards |
| 09:15.42 | wols_ | ddalton: you need the linuxant drivers for this modem most probably |
| 09:15.53 | wols_ | rgr: pinning |
| 09:16.08 | wols_ | Guerin: and modems |
| 09:16.23 | prahal | well to be pedantic this is not my code but debian current code and there is a critical bug (not only "c" but count, vector and &c->cond are corrupted . Fully reproducible though not always the same variable is corrupted :( |
| 09:16.40 | Guerin | yeah, well, i though nobody used those horrible things in ought-ought-eight |
| 09:16.47 | Guerin | mind you, my mum still does |
| 09:17.03 | Guerin | prahal: i recommend you report it to the BTS |
| 09:17.18 | rgr | IT seems the mplayer at debian-multimedia is the one I have anyway. No Lame support. |
| 09:17.25 | ddalton | wols: where do they come from and how to install? |
| 09:17.36 | Guerin | rgr: why would you use a player to encode? |
| 09:17.47 | rgr | wols. I use pinning. Its just that synaptic doesnt tell you the repository it came from from what I can see. |
| 09:17.50 | ddalton | wols_: sorry... |
| 09:17.53 | jaggy- | ffmpeg? |
| 09:18.10 | wols_ | ddalton: depends on the exact model of your modem |
| 09:18.14 | rgr | Guerin: I have no idea. mencoder uses it I guess. |
| 09:18.21 | jaggy- | guerin, mplayer is also used for transcoding (mencoder right?) |
| 09:18.24 | Guerin | !wayttd rgr |
| 09:18.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rgr? |
| 09:18.34 | Guerin | jaggy-: oh, I see - mplayer as a suite |
| 09:18.40 | Guerin | not /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 09:18.41 | themill | jaggy-: mencoder is not in debian |
| 09:18.41 | jaggy- | but.. let's say you're getting a stream and want to save it out in a different format.. anyway, I think mplayer began as a player and became more. |
| 09:18.42 | rgr | Guerin: ogg to avi |
| 09:18.51 | liable | ddalton: http://www.linmodems.org/ |
| 09:19.09 | ddalton | I think its a M5457 ac 97 controler... |
| 09:19.18 | liable | ddalton: get the package they use and ask on the list. they know their stuff for modems |
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| 09:19.24 | jaggy- | themill, hmm.. manpage still mentions it.. |
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| 09:19.44 | Guerin | rgr: i'd be using ffmpeg for that, probably |
| 09:19.49 | Guerin | but transcoding is horrible |
| 09:19.50 | themill | jaggy-: it's available from debian-multimedia.org though |
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| 09:20.11 | rgr | Guerin: since the record desktop only saves in ogg its not much option. |
| 09:20.30 | jaggy- | ddalton, there's a bunch of stuff on modems.. today I was trying to get my modem working but failed.. i think it's not supported. I was supposed to give this one to my mom anyway, but I wanted to try setting it up so it can monitor our work and give me a phone call if there was a system problem |
| 09:20.32 | rgr | I put up some ogg files and most Windows users couldnt use them as they refused to update codecs. |
| 09:20.37 | ddalton | liable: ok... but I read, you can just echo commands to the serial port? |
| 09:20.38 | rgr | Sometimes one has to be practical. |
| 09:20.53 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.59 | jaggy- | themill, isn't that the site I had in my sources which always gave untrusted messages and such? :) |
| 09:20.59 | wols_ | ddalton: you have a winmodem. you need special drivers for it |
| 09:21.11 | liable | ddalton: you can actually, at least thats my experience with a hsdpa modem |
| 09:21.18 | wols_ | ddalton: only real hardware modems can you just output commands via serial port. yours isn't one |
| 09:21.21 | Guerin | prahal: i see. |
| 09:21.21 | jaggy- | go read the linmodem stuff.. get the scanModem package, etc. It's nifty. |
| 09:21.22 | themill | jaggy-: nfc. Did you read /topic and do something about it? |
| 09:21.27 | liable | ddalton: but, you need the drivers first |
| 09:21.40 | jaggy- | what the hell.. new ssl vulnerability? |
| 09:21.44 | Guerin | prahal: how serious is the bug? If it's that bad people will probably care. |
| 09:21.54 | liable | ddalton: quick check is to run wvdialconf and see what it says |
| 09:22.06 | ddalton | ah, screw it... they sound just like trouble... you 100% sure about that? and are they trouble? |
| 09:22.21 | jaggy- | oh.. that's old. |
| 09:22.28 | jaggy- | did you scan my system and find a weak key? :) |
| 09:22.33 | liable | ddalton: work fine once you get the driver in my experience |
| 09:22.43 | jaggy- | ddalton, it's pretty easy to do, if your modem's supported. |
| 09:22.59 | zamba | how can i prevent pppoe from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 09:23.22 | OpenTokix | zamba: chttr +i /dev/resolv.conf |
| 09:23.26 | OpenTokix | zamba: chattr +i /dev/resolv.conf |
| 09:23.28 | jaggy- | except there was no linux package.. and I think checkinstall does some funky things when "make install" runs other installation software.. not sure what happened really |
| 09:23.29 | Guerin | !fix resolv.conf |
| 09:23.29 | dpkg | takes resolv.conf to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 09:23.30 | OpenTokix | sorry, typo |
| 09:23.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 09:23.36 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (ask me about <override dns>). |
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| 09:23.45 | themill | dpkg, you suck |
| 09:23.46 | Guerin | chattr should be your last resort |
| 09:23.46 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:23.54 | OpenTokix | Guerin: why? |
| 09:24.01 | busfahrer | Excuse me, did the recent OpenSSL breach get fixed in Debian 3.1? |
| 09:24.04 | Guerin | OpenTokix: minimal force doctrine |
| 09:24.14 | Guerin | busfahrer: security.debian.org |
| 09:24.21 | OpenTokix | Guerin: ok, maximum force! ;) |
| 09:24.22 | liable | busfahrer: it wasnt a problem in sarge |
| 09:24.36 | DawnLight | is anyone here good with preseeding configs? can i enter multiple mirrors in preseed? |
| 09:24.53 | liable | ddalton: believe so |
| 09:24.59 | liable | DawnLight: ^^ |
| 09:25.10 | ddalton | liable: ok, installing wvdial, apt-file shows that wvdialconf is there, so will need to wait, since internet ran out and is slowed to 64 k... but, with win modems, whats the process in getting it working? |
| 09:25.42 | jaggy- | I can't believe this debian breach.. not everyone can "afford" to re-install their server software "just in case" it got hacked.. it sucks. |
| 09:25.50 | jaggy- | I wonder if anyone actually got hacked anyway. |
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| 09:26.23 | liable | ddalton: try wvdialconf, and if you are extremely lucky, its supported by an in kernel driver, otherwise i suggest you get the scanmodem package on the site i linked, run it, and send the output to the list |
| 09:26.27 | jaggy- | if anyone found out about the weakness before it was reported and fixed.. and you know there are a ton of systems out there still messed up. |
| 09:26.36 | DawnLight | when packages are installed in preseed, do they ask debconf questions? |
| 09:26.48 | Guerin | jaggy-: wtf |
| 09:26.49 | jaggy- | who the hell would mess up on a random number generator when they're coding in an SSL app??? |
| 09:27.06 | liable | jaggy-: this has been done to death. drop it. |
| 09:27.10 | jaggy- | every experienced coder has alarms go off as they're coding.. |
| 09:27.11 | dutchfish | jaggy-, you could not be more beside the point |
| 09:27.21 | zamba | how do i add forwarders to dnsmasq? |
| 09:27.29 | jaggy- | liable, dutchfish says I'm right next to the point ;) |
| 09:27.32 | busfahrer | liable: I suppose in woody it's not a problem either? |
| 09:27.38 | liable | busfahrer: nope |
| 09:27.39 | Guerin | as a famous politician once said: `mistakes were made. those responsible have been held accountable.' |
| 09:27.52 | prahal | Guerin, well it is really bad (crash eclipse at startup) and I am afraid though the aptana community won't see it right now (I believe it is only in the current pro version which will become next public one in a few monthes). Though it also affects other plugins (all those that use swing/awt none of them I have tested have the code available ... well except for aptana). And it also could well affect all swing/awt applications as I don |
| 09:27.52 | prahal | 't see anything specific to eclipse plugin sdk in those swing/awt calls |
| 09:27.54 | Guerin | what is a problem is if you're still using woody |
| 09:27.54 | jaggy- | I don't care.. I want his name and he should be investigated to see his relations :) |
| 09:28.16 | Guerin | prahal: oh, so this isn't in actual free software? |
| 09:28.18 | liable | well, there is that too.. |
| 09:28.27 | busfahrer | liable: thanks very much |
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| 09:28.53 | dutchfish | jaggy-, security starts at instalation and defining rules that have safety nets, if you solely depend on someone others work, you always get screwed |
| 09:29.18 | jaggy- | no, you have to depend on people. |
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| 09:29.25 | MrNaz | on a fresh install of debian with only the server package set selected, what's the most best package to install in order to provide remove ssh functionality ? |
| 09:29.44 | Guerin | MrNaz: clarify |
| 09:29.45 | dutchfish | jaggy-, in my opinion thats where you are wrong |
| 09:29.45 | wols_ | MrNaz: you mean remote? |
| 09:29.46 | liable | to remove ssh? huh |
| 09:29.48 | |inuxmath | how do i make kaffeine on xine-engine play matroska videos? I have libmtroska0 installed. |
| 09:30.01 | jaggy- | I don't know a way of making my stuff more secure.. granted, for my situation, someone would have had to have "owned" a router between me and my servers, but I didn't have much choice in the matter |
| 09:30.56 | dutchfish | jaggy-, there are tons of methods the increase security, none of my servers where directly affected by the ssl-key bug, because i had implemented other safetynets |
| 09:31.05 | wols_ | dutchfish: don't feed |
| 09:31.05 | MrNaz | wols_ yea.... openssh-server seems to be right, but there are a few others that sound like they do it as well |
| 09:31.06 | jaggy- | I have our connections limited.. and they go through a transparent filtering bridge, etc. but those end-point issues don't matter as far as .. the key weakness goes... |
| 09:31.20 | MrNaz | liable no, to add remote ssh access into the box |
| 09:31.20 | wols_ | MrNaz: it's the right one. install it and be done |
| 09:31.25 | MrNaz | wols_ thanks |
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| 09:33.28 | dutchfish | jaggy-, examples: port nocking, rate-limiting, firewall rules, IDS and more |
| 09:33.41 | jaggy- | what other safetynet would work? generating your own keys using your own methods and your own random number generators? |
| 09:34.10 | wols_ | jaggy-: no |
| 09:34.13 | prahal | Guerin, not the testcase I have . I have really good hs_err (some sort of core for java) logs so one in the secret of java should be able to build a swing application that trigger the bug quite easely (I am a c programmer, still have to learn a lot about java itself. Though as the problem was in xcb c code I jumped in |
| 09:34.19 | jaggy- | how does any of that prevent someone, who's captured your traffic and stored it, from decrypting your data? |
| 09:34.39 | dutchfish | jaggy-, simply by not being able to access the box |
| 09:34.58 | wols_ | jaggy-: do you know anyone who can crack a 4096 bit RSA key? |
| 09:35.14 | jaggy- | wols, brute force if there are only 32k or 64k keys |
| 09:35.14 | dutchfish | wols_, good one |
| 09:35.33 | wols_ | jaggy-: the bug is fixed you moron. a month ago. Now drop that! |
| 09:35.59 | wols_ | if you want bug free code you better stop using computers alltogether |
| 09:36.04 | jaggy- | wols, don't get an attitude with me please. I'm discussing how to make systems more secure with dutchfish |
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| 09:36.19 | wols_ | jaggy-: you are OT. this is a debian support channel |
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| 09:36.28 | themill | jaggy-, dutchfish: this has become a meta-discussion. Please take it to #debian-offtopic or to a pm |
| 09:36.35 | wols_ | the support issue is gone and over. go to #debian-offtopic to discuss |
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| 09:37.36 | jaggy- | I guess you're right |
| 09:38.02 | jaggy- | I still think you're too overly sensitive about the issue.. developing mental antibodies and now you're allergic. |
| 09:38.13 | jaggy- | :) |
| 09:38.25 | themill | jaggy-: no, it's mainly that this is not a discussion channel. |
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| 09:39.18 | jaggy- | I said I guess you're right on that point :) |
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| 09:40.02 | Danielss89 | Hi |
| 09:40.13 | wols_ | !hi Danielss89 |
| 09:40.26 | wols_ | dpkg: you are lacking |
| 09:40.27 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 09:41.08 | Danielss89 | my server is in the CBL list, and my server has been shut down with the message that something is not as it should be.. maybe virus, phising site or something else... |
| 09:41.21 | Danielss89 | maybe a script sending spam.. |
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| 09:41.35 | Danielss89 | the thing is i have no idea what to look for.. |
| 09:41.53 | Danielss89 | i dont host websites for others, only my own.. |
| 09:41.57 | Shadur | Danielss89: Go over your server with a fine-tooth comb and contact the CBL admins, see if you can get any more information about the incident that got you blacklisted. |
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| 09:42.40 | wols_ | Danielss89: reinstall your server |
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| 09:43.15 | wols_ | and ask the CBL folks why they put you on the list |
| 09:43.36 | bolt_ | How can I set the root password to nothing? This box is purely used in a lan for testing some stuff on, and I don't want to give the test people another password to remember if it's not necessary. |
| 09:43.48 | wols_ | Danielss89: http://cbl.abuseat.org/ tells you how to get off the list |
| 09:43.49 | bolt_ | passwd tells me "no password supplied" when I try. |
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| 09:44.16 | wols_ | bolt_: man 5 passwd, man 5 shadow |
| 09:44.22 | Danielss89 | wols_ do you know a virus program i can install and scan the server? |
| 09:44.28 | bolt_ | wols_: k |
| 09:44.30 | batcoder-7 | is debian sid in any way stable ? |
| 09:44.32 | wols_ | Danielss89: no. does not exist |
| 09:44.42 | wols_ | batcoder-7: no. it's UNSTABLE. clearly says so |
| 09:44.45 | Mundus | batcoder-7: It's UNSTABLE |
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| 09:44.57 | batcoder-7 | woah |
| 09:45.04 | batcoder-7 | isssues tonight ? |
| 09:45.14 | wols_ | batcoder-7: yes. your reading comprehension |
| 09:45.20 | batcoder-7 | sorry i just wanted KDE4 noticed it was ONLY IN SID |
| 09:45.21 | Mundus | Zing |
| 09:45.31 | wols_ | !kde4 |
| 09:45.32 | dpkg | from memory, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 09:45.59 | themill | batcoder-7: no it's not. It's only in experimental. |
| 09:46.29 | antgel | i need to start an x app from the command line without window decorations. i'm not that bothered which WM is used (it's for a kiosk app). can someone point me to the relevant command-line options for any popular WM? |
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| 09:47.13 | wols_ | antgel: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Kiosk-HOWTO.html |
| 09:47.20 | antgel | wols_: thanks |
| 09:47.39 | antgel | v1.0 october 1999 :-O |
| 09:47.48 | wols_ | fvwm is old too :) |
| 09:48.40 | antgel | wols_: don't know if you read the link, but it really doesn't answer my question :) |
| 09:48.48 | Danielss89 | hmm i can see in the mail logs that my server is sending a lot of mails, even when my apache server is turned off... and it shoul not wols_... |
| 09:49.09 | antgel | i want something like: $ xterm -nofrickingtitlebarorresizedecorations |
| 09:49.23 | wols_ | antgel: read the stuff under /etc/X11/fvwm2/system.fvwm2rc there |
| 09:49.31 | wols_ | stuff like "This will disable most of the normal windowing controls. " |
| 09:49.45 | antgel | wols_: yes, but i don't want it to apply for every app |
| 09:50.04 | antgel | i want a command-line, app-specific way of doing it |
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| 09:55.23 | Danielss89 | hmm wols_ cbl list says its something with my mail name |
| 09:55.34 | Danielss89 | http://cbl.abuseat.org/namingproblems.html |
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| 09:57.16 | Danielss89 | how do i send an email through my shell? |
| 09:57.32 | petemc | mail or mutt |
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| 09:58.01 | Danielss89 | none of the commands found |
| 09:58.08 | Danielss89 | apt-get install mail doesnt work either |
| 09:58.15 | petemc | the package is mailx |
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| 09:58.22 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.39 | liable | hmm, portmap is hanging shutdown |
| 10:04.47 | Danielss89 | hmm petemc i do mail xx@xx.xx |
| 10:04.53 | liable | i wish things would stop installing the damn thing |
| 10:05.07 | petemc | Danielss89: echo text | mail -s subject foo@bar |
| 10:05.14 | Danielss89 | and then it ask me for subject, i put it in and press enter but it just keep going down |
| 10:05.23 | petemc | ^d |
| 10:05.28 | macoute | . |
| 10:05.29 | macoute | . |
| 10:05.33 | macoute | is another way, iirc |
| 10:05.46 | macoute | so two dots on an otherwise empty line |
| 10:07.00 | antgel | let's try another approach. if i try to bypass the WM and start an xterm from .xsession, how can i make it fullscreen? -geometry 169x59 makes it a tad too narrow and too long |
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| 10:08.15 | Danielss89 | hmm i need to do this: http://cbl.abuseat.org/helocheck.html |
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| 10:09.14 | uws | Is it possible/easy to have /etc on a crypto partition? |
| 10:09.18 | uws | (guess not) |
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| 10:09.30 | wols_ | uws: it is |
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| 10:09.47 | wols_ | not different from having / on a crypto partition. only /boot is kinda iffy |
| 10:10.16 | uws | wols_: How does it find out if the /etc/crypttab is on a crypto fs? |
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| 10:10.46 | wols_ | initrd usually. if your / is on a cryptodisk, it's the same thing |
| 10:10.52 | Danielss89 | i need to do this: http://cbl.abuseat.org/helocheck.html <-- but i dont know how to do it.. i guess its not with the mail function.. |
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| 10:11.27 | wols_ | Danielss89: "is to send an email through it to helocheck@cbl.abuseat.org" |
| 10:11.36 | wols_ | send a mail via your server any way you want |
| 10:11.45 | wols_ | you will get back a mail immediately |
| 10:12.37 | Danielss89 | hehe so i just how to find out where the mail is placed :P |
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| 10:12.42 | Level2Tec | yep got it |
| 10:12.58 | petemc | Danielss89: are you using exim? |
| 10:13.07 | uws | wols_: ok, any good pointers to docs for this? many doc/howto/tutorial sites slightly differ |
| 10:13.29 | wols_ | !ig |
| 10:13.30 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 10:13.31 | Level2Tec | metamucil |
| 10:14.04 | Danielss89 | found it |
| 10:14.17 | Level2Tec | I heard "ymwg" is your mom was good |
| 10:14.36 | wols_ | Level2Tec: do you have a debian question? |
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| 10:14.58 | Level2Tec | Gimme a sec |
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| 10:15.20 | Level2Tec | Nope, just all the answers |
| 10:15.30 | Danielss89 | ok it seems like my IP is without brackets.. |
| 10:15.38 | Level2Tec | Im striving to make it to level3tech |
| 10:15.38 | wols_ | !ops Level2Tec is one of those crapflooders again. please act |
| 10:15.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: Level2Tec is one of those crapflooders again. please act |
| 10:15.53 | Danielss89 | where is the helo ip taken from? |
| 10:16.00 | petemc | Danielss89: are you using exim? |
| 10:16.14 | wols_ | Danielss89: FQDN usually |
| 10:16.50 | Level2Tec | Im a crapflooder? For making conversation....wow |
| 10:17.01 | Maulkin | Level2Tec: Please keep it on topic, thanks |
| 10:17.11 | Danielss89 | petemc no im using sendmail i think |
| 10:17.14 | Level2Tec | Alright alright, sorry |
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| 10:17.29 | Maulkin | !offtopic |
| 10:17.29 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 10:17.34 | wols_ | Level2Tec: this is a support channel, not a chat channel |
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| 10:17.39 | petemc | Danielss89: readlink -f `which sendmail` , as root |
| 10:17.57 | Level2Tec | nice, thanks... |
| 10:18.26 | Danielss89 | petemc /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
| 10:18.37 | petemc | unlucky |
| 10:18.48 | Danielss89 | why :P |
| 10:19.07 | petemc | sendmail requires some fairly specialized knowledge |
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| 10:19.38 | wols_ | and if you don't have that knowledge it's very easy to find oneself on lists like CBL |
| 10:20.09 | Danielss89 | ok, i will install exim then.. |
| 10:20.23 | antgel | if i'm emailing control@bugs, and i need a command to spread over more than one line (say retitle), do i just put a \ at the end of the first line? |
| 10:20.26 | Level2Tec | Im using postfix, its good too and has a lot of good documentation |
| 10:20.32 | antgel | (my mailer wraps at 80 characters) |
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| 10:24.10 | basanta | is school tool available in testing |
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| 10:25.24 | petemc | antgel: that would work |
| 10:27.12 | Danielss89 | petemc hmm i installed exim, but it wont sent to the helo mail i did before.. it just put it in the mailq.. ive tried sending to my own mail and that works |
| 10:27.48 | wols_ | Danielss89: one needs to configure a MTA usually |
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| 10:28.27 | wols_ | and the mailsystem is not easy to configure |
| 10:28.38 | ddalton | do you guys reckon a external modem that wasn't win would be better? Would it make life easier? |
| 10:28.54 | ddalton | I have subscribed and mailed the modemdata file to the winmodem people anyway. |
| 10:29.05 | wols_ | ddalton: usually yes. but make sure it's a hardware modem. even external modems can sometimes be softmodems |
| 10:29.55 | ddalton | wols_: ok, so what is the advantage of an external? Just the lights...? (kind of useless for me... :-)) |
| 10:30.11 | wols_ | hardware modem vs. softmodem |
| 10:30.23 | Danielss89 | which mailsystem is easy to configure :p |
| 10:30.24 | ddalton | yup |
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| 10:30.32 | wols_ | Danielss89: none |
| 10:31.08 | Danielss89 | damn |
| 10:31.19 | petemc | Danielss89: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config can give you a working system if you answer the questions intelligently |
| 10:31.36 | wols_ | and have a basic mail system. very basic |
| 10:31.52 | petemc | for a lot of people thats fine |
| 10:32.12 | antgel | petemc: thanks |
| 10:32.12 | ddalton | whats the mail system got to do? send and recieve mail? |
| 10:32.21 | ddalton | like... its not a server is it? |
| 10:32.27 | wols_ | ddalton: it is a server |
| 10:32.28 | petemc | define server |
| 10:32.59 | ddalton | oh, so not a matter of just using msmtp and fetchmail and a mail reader like I do? |
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| 10:34.23 | ddalton | thx wols_... for all your help. and everyone else... liable too... :-) |
| 10:34.57 | Danielss89 | petemc so the system mail name.. should i put that as [myIP] |
| 10:35.24 | petemc | no |
| 10:36.08 | petemc | usually people create an A record like mail.foo.com , preferably having a ptr record to match |
| 10:36.25 | hramrach | Hello |
| 10:36.26 | Danielss89 | i dont have that.. |
| 10:36.35 | petemc | Danielss89: will you be sending mail through a smarthost or directly? |
| 10:36.42 | Danielss89 | directly pearl |
| 10:36.44 | Danielss89 | petemc |
| 10:36.52 | hramrach | How do I report a bug when I cannot send mail? |
| 10:36.56 | petemc | Danielss89: do you have dns set up correctly? |
| 10:36.59 | Danielss89 | it is for my website for sending activation mails and stuff |
| 10:37.13 | Danielss89 | i guess |
| 10:37.50 | wols_ | ddalton: that's a very basic mailssystem yes. but mail can get complicated very very quick |
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| 10:38.26 | petemc | Danielss89: well, use your fqdn as the helo name. you should probably resolve yourself now to the idea that lots of your mails will end up in peoples spam folders, or rejected outright |
| 10:38.47 | Jyzygzy- | hmm there is a package called "simpleproxy" in apt but it only seems to work for TCP |
| 10:38.56 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder if there is something similiar but for TCP and UDP |
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| 10:39.32 | Danielss89 | i think my fqdn is potteracademy.com ? correct? |
| 10:39.57 | petemc | that lacks a machine name |
| 10:39.58 | dutchfish | Danielss89, thats only the domain part |
| 10:40.18 | SlayerXP | the domain name _can_ have an A record |
| 10:40.29 | petemc | say what? |
| 10:40.48 | jelly | yeah, and "potteracademy.com." has one |
| 10:41.15 | Danielss89 | so what would be my fqdn? |
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| 10:41.47 | jelly | Danielss89: what does "hostname --fqdn" say? |
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| 10:42.14 | Danielss89 | jelly 89.186.169.112 |
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| 10:42.27 | jelly | wow, that's rahter broken |
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| 10:42.41 | jelly | Danielss89: cat /etc/hostname |
| 10:42.42 | Danielss89 | hehe i guess thats why im in the CBL list |
| 10:43.14 | Danielss89 | done jelly |
| 10:43.26 | jelly | Danielss89: there is no output? |
| 10:43.30 | Danielss89 | no |
| 10:43.42 | Danielss89 | but the name changed |
| 10:43.42 | jelly | Danielss89: does the file exist at all? |
| 10:43.42 | Danielss89 | root@danielss89:~# cat /etc/hostname |
| 10:43.43 | Danielss89 | [89.186.169.112]root@danielss89:~# |
| 10:43.46 | xushi | how do you ls a folder that has subfolders in it to show all files/folders ? |
| 10:43.57 | jelly | Danielss89: that's not "no output" |
| 10:44.11 | Danielss89 | oh.. |
| 10:44.20 | Danielss89 | thought it was just the shell |
| 10:44.23 | themill | xushi: either use ls -R or find depending on the output you want |
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| 10:44.30 | xushi | aah, i was using -r |
| 10:44.31 | xushi | thanks |
| 10:44.34 | jelly | Danielss89: oh well. sounds like your best bet really might be "potteracademy.com" |
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| 10:44.58 | Danielss89 | ok jelly.. |
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| 10:46.14 | Danielss89 | but doesnt i have to change my output of hostname --fqdn <-- to [89.186.169.112] instead of 89.186.169.112 jelly? |
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| 10:46.52 | petemc | Danielss89: you really want that to ouput foo.potteracademy.com |
| 10:47.06 | petemc | where foo is the hostname of the machine, could be www |
| 10:47.23 | jelly | while that's common, there really is no need for that |
| 10:47.35 | petemc | http://www.robtex.com/rbl/89.186.169.112.html |
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| 10:47.41 | petemc | this is all a waste of time btw, no one will accept mail from you |
| 10:47.51 | petemc | jelly: why defy convention |
| 10:48.12 | jelly | petemc: because it would mean an ugly hostname |
| 10:48.22 | petemc | eh? |
| 10:48.44 | jelly | Danielss89: but first. are you the sole user of that IP address? |
| 10:49.06 | Danielss89 | yes jelly |
| 10:49.47 | jelly | Danielss89: for how long have you used it? |
| 10:49.58 | Danielss89 | uhm about 2 years i think |
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| 10:50.40 | jelly | Danielss89: most likely your machine has been broken into during that period. Your machine is listed as a spam generator |
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| 10:50.58 | Danielss89 | wtf |
| 10:51.10 | MrNaz | ??aptitude |
| 10:51.37 | jelly | Danielss89: until you check for malware and remedy that situation, not many hosts will accept mail originating from you |
| 10:51.58 | Danielss89 | so the best thing would be to change IP ? |
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| 10:52.34 | jelly | Danielss89: my guess would be "fix the holes in your buggy software" |
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| 10:52.55 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.55 | wols_ | Danielss89: no. as I told you in the beginning: reinstall your system completely |
| 10:53.02 | wols_ | and this time, learn what you are doing |
| 10:53.22 | jelly | Danielss89: changing the ip isn't the root problem, and won't help you from being exploited again |
| 10:53.33 | henry_nicolas | Hi, I'm trying to setup a DWL G510 wifi card (which is using a RT61 chipset), I saw in many tutorial that I have to fetch sources from the web, isn't it possible to compile the module with module-assistant ? |
| 10:53.49 | wols_ | Danielss89: you can change the IP and you will be blacklisted in under a week again |
| 10:53.57 | Danielss89 | hm ok.. |
| 10:54.02 | wols_ | !tell henry_nicolas about rt61 |
| 10:54.11 | mquin | fix the problems, wait a week or so - the rbl listings should expire by themselves |
| 10:54.31 | henry_nicolas | wols_: thx |
| 10:54.55 | Danielss89 | could the problem be that my helo isnt correct.. thats what the cbl lists says, but could that be the only problem? |
| 10:55.17 | jelly | Danielss89: possible but unlikely |
| 10:55.35 | jelly | Danielss89: well, you can set your hostname and see what happens |
| 10:56.06 | wols_ | Danielss89: your problem is that you have been hacked very badly |
| 10:56.07 | dutchfish | Danielss89, as far as i can see, your MX records points to a central mailsystem not on your host |
| 10:56.40 | jelly | dutchfish: afaict, he's tryng to send mail, not receive it |
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| 10:57.09 | Danielss89 | yeah only trying to send |
| 10:57.26 | jelly | Danielss89: so, /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 11:00.21 | petemc | absolute waste of time |
| 11:00.50 | softkick | what? |
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| 11:02.19 | Danielss89 | petemc what do you suggest i do? |
| 11:02.41 | Sysctl___ | Hey people. I want to modify the /etc/init.d/apache script that you get with debian so that it launches with an environment variable like such "/usr/sbin/apache2 -Dstaging". I added that parameter to the APACHE2= variable at the beginning of the script, but that doesnt work, for some reason |
| 11:03.08 | petemc | Danielss89: thats a tough one, the easiest method would probably for you to route your mail through a more reputable server |
| 11:03.18 | idimmu | -Dstaging looks more like something you'd throw at java/tomcat to me |
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| 11:07.46 | fireba11 | hi, i'm running grml rescue-CD and have restored my raid 5 (one HD was dead) now i need to reinstall grub. how do i do that ? never installed it manually, also don't know if i ahve to do anything extra sicne i'm running of CD right now |
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| 11:09.31 | SPF | fireba11: mount your root file system and chroot to that |
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| 11:10.06 | MrBrush | Does anyone know how it's possible to check the amount of traffic that's running per application in debian? |
| 11:10.12 | Sysctl___ | softkick: im doing that because im trying to set up a unified virtual host configuration which loads certain configurations depending on whether its a dev, staging or live server (hence it will use <ifdefine> to check that environment variable) |
| 11:10.26 | fireba11 | Spf is /boot enough or do i need / too ? |
| 11:11.00 | SPF | fireba11: if your /boot is on a seperate partition, you dont need chroot |
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| 11:12.13 | hramrach | MrBrush: atop can do it with a patched kernel .. |
| 11:12.46 | _Progress_ | hi, in debian sid audacious is compiled with sse2 support. Why is that? My cpu haven't sse2 instructions :( Fix that |
| 11:13.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | _Progress_, go cry? |
| 11:13.27 | _Progress_ | i compile from source |
| 11:13.37 | _Progress_ | and i have no problems |
| 11:13.43 | _Progress_ | but some noobs |
| 11:13.47 | themill | dpkg: tell _Progress_ about reportbug |
| 11:13.47 | _Progress_ | ... |
| 11:13.52 | bvs | is it normal to have one apache process running as root and the others as www-data? |
| 11:13.54 | themill | _Progress_: noobs shouldn't be running sid |
| 11:14.03 | hramrach | bvs: probably |
| 11:14.24 | _Progress_ | heh, don't be so sure themill |
| 11:14.51 | themill | well that's their problem then. There are enough signs all over it saying "don't use me". |
| 11:15.02 | MrBrush | hramrach: what does it? |
| 11:15.43 | hramrach | MrBrush: atop is a program. But it won't help you unless you patch your kernel iirc |
| 11:16.03 | MrBrush | hramrach: how patching kernel you mean? |
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| 11:17.39 | hramrach | generally you should be able to account long lasting connections by looking up what prorgram opened them. But programs can also open a and close connections quite quickly or send random UDP packets which would be missing from your picture |
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| 11:18.42 | hramrach | and atop can track that if you modify your kernel to save the information for atop |
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| 11:20.16 | hramrach | MrBrush: you can also look at iptables. maybe they implemented some new filtering extensions that allow matching the program or user name |
| 11:21.17 | hramrach | but in general Linux is not well suited for this task as is afaik |
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| 11:26.38 | dFence | hey y'all |
| 11:26.53 | softkick | I realy need help to find some free billing system with dhcp support |
| 11:27.06 | softkick | any idea? |
| 11:27.07 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to rearrange system tray icons? |
| 11:27.09 | dFence | softkick: try coova.org |
| 11:28.49 | Sysctl___ | Hey people. I want to modify the /etc/init.d/apache2 script that you get with debian so that it launches with an environment variable like such "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl -Dstaging". I added that parameter to the APACHE2= variable at the beginning of the script, but that doesnt work, for some reason |
| 11:29.56 | dFence | need a little help with my resolv.conf: i have eth0 connected to a router therefore getting it's dns-servers from the isp/router, but i need to add localhost to the resolv.conf to resolve my local net that runs on eth1. since resolv.conf is rewritten every time eth0 gets a new dhcp-lease,... you get where this is going? :) i need to add nameserver 127.0.0.1 permanently - how can i do that?... |
| 11:29.57 | dFence | ...via /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 11:30.33 | softkick | dFence are you think coova reay include shaper support? |
| 11:31.00 | dFence | softkick: hmpf... good question, it runs on openwrt so i guess it's somewhat doable... |
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| 11:32.32 | softkick | dFence: i search somthing for debian |
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| 11:34.21 | dFence | softkick: checkout their forum/wiki... it should run on debian as well with a couple of minor changes... it's basically just a router with a radius/accounting/whatsoever interface |
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| 11:35.25 | scatterp | i had to uninstall networkmanager to get something else runing how can i connect with wireless? |
| 11:35.41 | abrotman | you can manually configure wireless |
| 11:35.56 | scatterp | abrotman how would i do that? |
| 11:36.03 | abrotman | !tell scatterp about interfaces |
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| 11:36.54 | tusus | hej undrar om man kan få hjälp med att installera amsn i debian 4 |
| 11:37.02 | abrotman | tusus: english please |
| 11:37.37 | Nyle | swedish? |
| 11:37.37 | softkick | abrotman maybe tusus search amsn for debian 4? :) |
| 11:37.47 | scatterp | abrotman it does not mention there the wifi ? |
| 11:37.49 | abrotman | tusus: aptitude install amsn |
| 11:37.59 | abrotman | scatterp: see the bottom .. SEE ALSO .. iwconfig |
| 11:38.00 | Nyle | hej, a with two dots, med? |
| 11:38.04 | Nyle | that sounds like swedish |
| 11:38.16 | scatterp | abrotman iwconfig is not installed let me install it |
| 11:38.19 | Nyle | or at least denmarkish or nowish |
| 11:38.21 | Nyle | norwish |
| 11:38.36 | Nyle | oh.. norwegian |
| 11:38.42 | tusus | swidish |
| 11:38.52 | cahoot | norwich? |
| 11:38.52 | scatterp | i couldnt find the package either to install it |
| 11:38.53 | abrotman | scatterp: wireless-tools |
| 11:38.59 | abrotman | beardy: help with swedish! |
| 11:39.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:39.11 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 11:39.23 | Nyle | hah |
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| 11:39.30 | scatterp | abrotman i seem to have wireless-tools installed |
| 11:39.38 | scatterp | abrotman how would i use that |
| 11:39.38 | tusus | yes i ask haw i can install amsn in debian 4 |
| 11:39.45 | abrotman | scatterp: so you can use some options from wireless-tools in your interfaces |
| 11:39.47 | abrotman | tusus: aptitude install amsn |
| 11:39.51 | tusus | sory my bad english |
| 11:39.54 | softkick | tusus find the package |
| 11:40.06 | abrotman | !se |
| 11:40.06 | dpkg | well, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:40.18 | scatterp | No manual entry for wireless-tools |
| 11:40.21 | scatterp | :( |
| 11:40.57 | softkick | scatterp try to use iwconfig |
| 11:40.58 | tusus | där var det bara 9 användare som var död tysta |
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| 11:41.51 | scatterp | yes seems to be working not sure how to connect yet |
| 11:41.56 | abrotman | tusus: dpkg is a bot .. /join #debian.se |
| 11:41.59 | aNOOBisa | can someone explain to me what the option pciback.hide in my menu.lst will do |
| 11:42.20 | aNOOBisa | and what those numbers stand for? |
| 11:42.23 | cahoot | tusus: did you try aptitude install amsn? |
| 11:42.33 | avu | aNOOBisa, it's used by xen |
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| 11:42.34 | softkick | scatterp when you up wifi interface try to search ssid |
| 11:42.35 | Real_Boy_Love | http://psp1.vndv.com/vote.php?id=901 Love test for you. Please visit :) mr. Smith :) |
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| 11:42.49 | avu | aNOOBisa, to tell it to hide certain PCI IDs from dom0 |
| 11:42.51 | aNOOBisa | avu: I am configuring a xen system at the moment |
| 11:42.58 | avu | aNOOBisa, so they can be accessed from a domU |
| 11:43.10 | aNOOBisa | avu: where are those numbers comming from |
| 11:43.17 | avu | aNOOBisa, lspci |
| 11:43.23 | aNOOBisa | is see |
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| 11:43.47 | avu | aNOOBisa, if you don't want to use pci passthrough, you can leave the option out entirely |
| 11:43.58 | aNOOBisa | well i do |
| 11:44.14 | aNOOBisa | since I want to map my ethernet card directly to my vms |
| 11:44.14 | tusus | yes bat this install old amsn |
| 11:44.22 | tusus | aptitude install amsn |
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| 11:44.41 | avu | aNOOBisa, to one VM |
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| 11:44.44 | softkick | tusus update your packages |
| 11:44.48 | cahoot | tusus: right - so what you really want is a newer version than the one in etch? |
| 11:44.50 | hjb | Hi. How do i remove all old config files of packages that aren't installed anymore? |
| 11:44.55 | avu | aNOOBisa, you can't pass one PCI ID to more than one dmoU |
| 11:44.59 | aNOOBisa | well I have 9 ethernet ports |
| 11:45.01 | hjb | (The packages with status "rc") |
| 11:45.25 | hjb | Is there any convinient command to do that? |
| 11:45.29 | aNOOBisa | so I would have 9 PCI IDs |
| 11:45.35 | aNOOBisa | 1 for each Ethernet Card |
| 11:45.37 | avu | hjb, dpkg -P IIRC |
| 11:45.42 | lymeca | Is Blu-Ray write support available via cdrtools and GUI frontends which use it such as K3b? |
| 11:46.00 | avu | lymeca, at least in lenny it is, not sure about etch |
| 11:46.28 | hjb | avu That needs a package name specified. I would like to purge all packages in that state |
| 11:46.35 | lymeca | avu: So this included latest and greatest, such as 6x burning with dual-layer 50GB discs? |
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| 11:47.00 | avu | hjb, constructing a command line that does just that should not be difficult at all? |
| 11:48.15 | hjb | avu yeah, that's what i have done till now :-) But i was feeling that this is a common task, so i figured that there may be a command for that which i don't know about |
| 11:48.30 | hjb | hjb That's why i've asked |
| 11:48.33 | avu | hjb, for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | cut -d' ' -f3); do dpkg -P $pkg; done |
| 11:48.36 | avu | for example |
| 11:48.45 | themill | hjb: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 11:49.11 | Sysctl___ | k, thanks, i figured it out myself... I should be modifying /usr/sbin/apache2ctl instead of the /etc/init.d/apache2 script |
| 11:49.14 | avu | yeah, or like that. :) depending on your shell, you may have to quote that ^rc though |
| 11:49.14 | hjb | themill That's what i've used but with the 'cut' from avu's example |
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| 11:49.32 | avu | the awk is actually cleaner/better |
| 11:49.42 | hjb | avu why that? |
| 11:49.59 | themill | xargs will be faster too |
| 11:50.04 | avu | because awk is smarter about what fields are and how they are delmited |
| 11:50.37 | hjb | avu yeah right, there's no need to specify the delimiter as with cut |
| 11:50.59 | avu | yeah and it will still work if there is only one space between rc and the package name for example |
| 11:50.59 | hjb | but cut migth be faster, but i dunno |
| 11:51.18 | avu | caring about speed with such simple commandlines is quite silly IMHO |
| 11:51.20 | themill | hjb: with xargs, dpkg is only called once rather than for each package. That makes a huge difference |
| 11:51.48 | hjb | avu :-) not today. Think about green-IT ;-) |
| 11:52.03 | avu | yeah, that might be noticable indeed, but cut vs. awk will not matter-speedwise |
| 11:52.04 | themill | avu: well.... each dpkg run is very slow. You're probably looking at the difference between seconds and minutes though. |
| 11:52.18 | jelly | dpkg sucks. |
| 11:52.18 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 11:52.40 | hjb | themill that's right |
| 11:52.44 | themill | !lose jelly |
| 11:52.44 | dpkg | jelly: You Lose. |
| 11:53.14 | hjb | themill avu So there's no special command made for this and i can stick to use what i've used to? That's ok, thanks! |
| 11:54.09 | hjb | btw. How can i use complex command lines with sudo? |
| 11:54.14 | themill | hjb: not that I know of. When removing, you can "aptitude purge packagename" which solves the problem rather than fixing it. |
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| 11:54.35 | et | !lose dpkg |
| 11:54.35 | dpkg | dpkg: You Lose. |
| 11:54.40 | Nyle | what? |
| 11:54.41 | Nyle | no |
| 11:54.48 | hjb | themill I know, but packages automatically removed by aptitude doesn't get purged. |
| 11:54.49 | nost | !win dpk |
| 11:54.49 | Nyle | why purge? |
| 11:54.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpk! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:54.53 | scatterp | abrotman its not working out yet my wireless has no password name My-Linksys how can i do it ? |
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| 11:54.57 | hjb | themill Is there's an option for that? |
| 11:54.59 | nost | !win dpkg |
| 11:55.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 11:55.04 | Nyle | what if you install the package again you'll have to reconfigure it again |
| 11:55.07 | Nyle | no? |
| 11:55.24 | Nyle | I don't normally purge |
| 11:55.26 | nost | how can i request a "ctcp version" with irssi? |
| 11:55.34 | Nyle | nost, /ctct nick version |
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| 11:55.38 | Nyle | er.. whtever |
| 11:55.48 | nost | Nyle: thanks |
| 11:55.57 | themill | hjb: umm... not sure. Probably... there usually is... aptitude-doc probably has something you can stick into aptituderc or apt.conf... |
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| 11:56.21 | nost | how can i close a window, in irsi? |
| 11:56.26 | Nyle | nost, /wc |
| 11:56.29 | Nyle | nost, irssi.org |
| 11:56.30 | hjb | themill i'll look for it |
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| 11:56.33 | Nyle | read the freaking guide :) |
| 11:56.34 | nost | thanks, thanks and thanks |
| 11:56.35 | nost | xD |
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| 11:56.38 | Nyle | nost, there is also a #irssi |
| 11:56.38 | nost | sorry |
| 11:56.39 | nost | bye |
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| 11:57.58 | abrotman | scatterp: no WEP/WAP key ? |
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| 11:58.29 | scatterp | none |
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| 11:58.45 | abrotman | scatterp: wireless-essid value |
| 11:59.19 | scatterp | bash: wireless-essid: command not found |
| 11:59.49 | scatterp | unless that was a question in which case My-Linksys |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | no .. it's part of the interfaces file |
| 12:00.28 | hramrach | Who do I blame for resume breaking when splash screen is active? |
| 12:00.32 | scatterp | ok i have the interfaces file open |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | http://www.alwayssunny.com/blog/?p=30 |
| 12:00.35 | scatterp | i dont see that |
| 12:00.43 | abrotman | you have to .. create it |
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| 12:01.21 | scatterp | wireless-essid My-Linksys |
| 12:01.28 | scatterp | added to the interfaces file |
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| 12:02.07 | hramrach | kernel people say it's not kernel .. but then usplash and splashy are completely userspace, how can they break anything? |
| 12:02.20 | hjb | themill There's an option for automatically purging, yes. But the NEWS says it's considered dangerous and recommed to be switched off. |
| 12:03.05 | hramrach | splashy even refuses to start unless the framebuffer is already in graphics, and the resume works with graphical console but not with splashy |
| 12:03.41 | stanis_sh | hello everybody |
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| 12:05.38 | Nyle | stanis_sh, you don't want 700+ people to say hello to you! trust me |
| 12:05.39 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:06.34 | stanis_sh | I am building the new computer configuration and choosing the videocard now. So, the question is what is preferrable: ATI or NVidia? This is not a holywar, I just trying to understand what to choose to "just work". |
| 12:06.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | 800+, unless the number of bots has goen up substantiall recently :) |
| 12:07.04 | Nyle | stanis_sh, that could go either way |
| 12:07.05 | abrotman | stanis_sh: if you want 3d .. and debian .. and it's a newer card from either, ... neither will work OOTB |
| 12:07.19 | Nyle | stanis_sh, intel would be your best choice, onboard |
| 12:07.31 | scatterp | abrotman what should i do ? |
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| 12:07.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | intel, unless you /need/ a good card |
| 12:07.42 | scatterp | abrotman i was looking for a gui for it but i cant find any |
| 12:07.45 | Nyle | stanis_sh, if you want to game heavily under linux, go with ATI imo (as in the long run it will be servign you better through open specs and open source drivers) |
| 12:07.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/good/stupidly powerful |
| 12:07.56 | scatterp | abrotman isnt there a command that would just connect it in one go ? |
| 12:08.01 | stanis_sh | Kamping_Kaiser: what's that? :) |
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| 12:08.05 | Nyle | nvidia remains to be closed, as does fglrx, however ATI had made the specs open |
| 12:08.15 | abrotman | scatterp: no idea .. i do mine with the interfaces file .. i'm lazy |
| 12:08.22 | awk | hmm, what is this new openssh-server / client in etch that i'm getting? |
| 12:08.30 | stanis_sh | Nyle: this is the main reason for me to ask. |
| 12:08.32 | Nyle | stanis_sh, I'd go with ati, as in the long run I see it rising up |
| 12:08.32 | abrotman | awk: a very much needed security update |
| 12:08.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | awk, we dont know, what is it? |
| 12:08.38 | abrotman | awk: see /topic |
| 12:08.40 | awk | abrotman thanks |
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| 12:09.10 | stanis_sh | Nyle: I got bored to recompile the nvidia module after each upgrade of the kernel :) |
| 12:09.14 | abrotman | awk: there's more to it than just the new packages .. you should really read the DSA |
| 12:09.29 | awk | I'm sure I was part of the debian mailing list... |
| 12:09.31 | nost | does anyone have the "source code" line in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:09.34 | abrotman | Nyle: some specs .. not all |
| 12:09.43 | abrotman | nost: it's a deb-src .. man sources.list |
| 12:09.50 | nost | thx |
| 12:09.51 | Nyle | abrotman, enough specs I'd say to be considered OVER nvidia |
| 12:10.14 | Nyle | I use experimental drivers and they seem to function well, so I can only imagine within a few months time that oss ati drivers will rock |
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| 12:10.48 | tepheikk | Hi. Who knows something about the etch's php package? |
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| 12:11.01 | Nyle | tepheikk, aptitude isntall php5 |
| 12:11.02 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:11.02 | hramrach | Nyle: still radeons between something like 9250 and hd* suck |
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| 12:11.15 | Nyle | hramrach, I have x1900xt |
| 12:11.16 | tepheikk | Nyle: http://www.friendpaste.com/Jb8uN2hx |
| 12:11.19 | Nyle | itsok |
| 12:11.20 | abrotman | tepheikk: using it in what way ? |
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| 12:11.34 | tepheikk | It seems that selfcompiled 5.2.6 does not do that but current stable package does. |
| 12:11.45 | hramrach | Nyle: so hte new drivers work even for that, hmm |
| 12:11.46 | themill | awk: /msg dpkg d-d-a ; /msg dpkg apt-listchanges ; /msg dpkg cron-apt |
| 12:12.01 | themill | awk: If you've taken this long to notice, you're doing something wrong. |
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| 12:12.22 | abrotman | tepheikk: is there a garbage collection ini setting ? |
| 12:12.35 | Nyle | radeon provides support for almost all ati cards now |
| 12:12.46 | Nyle | including and upto r500/r600 |
| 12:12.47 | abrotman | not for all 3d |
| 12:12.51 | Nyle | no |
| 12:12.52 | aNOOBisa | avu: I get following error Error: pci: PCI Backend does not own device 0000:10:04.0 |
| 12:12.57 | Nyle | not yet for r600 |
| 12:13.04 | scatterp | how can i install gnome libs |
| 12:13.06 | Nyle | r500 3d support is decent |
| 12:13.08 | hramrach | Nyle: I got IGP 330M/340M/350M and when running anything OpenGL there are issues, and lockups are not uncommon |
| 12:13.10 | tepheikk | I do not think so. I can look. But this becomes a great problem in production servers if classes are more complex. Scripts can easily how a gigabyte of memory if doing some batch runs. |
| 12:13.19 | aNOOBisa | avu why is it putting the 4 zeros in front of it |
| 12:13.26 | abrotman | tepheikk: sure .. but is the memory released when the script terminates ? |
| 12:13.28 | m6mmix | can anyone suggest any alternative to Nagios? |
| 12:13.36 | m6mmix | Nagios on debian is a bit tarded imo |
| 12:13.54 | vorsprung | m6mmix, theres that one in java |
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| 12:14.01 | aNOOBisa | avu: lspci says the device exists as 10:04.0 |
| 12:14.05 | tepheikk | abrotman: Yes it is. But that PHP version 5.2.0-8+etch11 has a weird issue with releasing memory. |
| 12:14.07 | drv | m6mmix: cacti, zabbix |
| 12:14.10 | awk | themill thanks |
| 12:14.11 | tepheikk | I think |
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| 12:14.13 | hramrach | but last time I looked only the old radeon driver sort of worked with this one, the new driver is only for really new stuff |
| 12:14.17 | m6mmix | drv, ty i'll check them out |
| 12:14.25 | m6mmix | does any of them have SAP support aswell? |
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| 12:14.33 | Nyle | hramrach, google for radeon |
| 12:14.37 | drv | m6mmix: zabbix has |
| 12:14.41 | abrotman | tepheikk: i'd guess there's an option .. but i've never looked for it .. i trust the memory to be released at script termination |
| 12:14.43 | m6mmix | uuu nice |
| 12:14.52 | Nyle | and/or radeonhd (though radeon will be better in the long run) |
| 12:14.53 | tepheikk | I've tested it with 4 production servers with same results. But in one server I compiled 5.2.6 from the source and it did not had the memory releasing problem. |
| 12:14.56 | jaggy- | how can I have firefox be suspended when I'm away from the computer a certain amount of time? |
| 12:15.05 | Nyle | we don't support firefox |
| 12:15.10 | jaggy- | any program |
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| 12:15.33 | hramrach | Nyle: I run radeon, and radeonhd did not seem to support anything that old |
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| 12:15.54 | Nyle | I don't have anything that old |
| 12:15.54 | m6mmix | should i compile it myself or is aptitude fine aswell? |
| 12:15.58 | abrotman | tepheikk: see if ##php has an idea why .. and maybe we can help you turn the option off/on ? |
| 12:16.03 | jaggy- | I'm picking that one because it has high cpu usage |
| 12:16.23 | jaggy- | but I think the method might be debian-specific? |
| 12:16.36 | m6mmix | drv, any suggestions? |
| 12:16.36 | Nyle | renice |
| 12:16.40 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 12:16.57 | drv | m6mmix: you can aptitude, for sure |
| 12:17.00 | hramrach | Nyle: unfotunately this is not removable :S |
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| 12:18.04 | Nyle | mmm Quran recitation in the morning |
| 12:18.11 | Nyle | lovely |
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| 12:18.24 | Nyle | hramrach, what isn't ? |
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| 12:18.45 | stew | jaggy-: if your machine uses acpi, you could perhaps do something using /etc/acpi/screenblank.sh ; but i don't know how you would suspend a process |
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| 12:19.09 | stew | jaggy-: however, if you are not doing anything with firefox, why is it using any cpu? becuase of flash? |
| 12:19.11 | Nyle | hramrach, you were the one asking about ati vs nvidia? |
| 12:19.37 | abrotman | no |
| 12:20.13 | Nyle | stew, ... |
| 12:20.38 | Nyle | he isn't using iceweasel, but firefox... |
| 12:20.48 | jaggy- | probably flash and javascript mostly.. perhaps some lame gif animations but who pays attention nowadays .. oh.. I'm actually using iceweasel of course |
| 12:20.55 | stew | Nyle: yes |
| 12:21.09 | jaggy- | Nyle, where do you get Qur'an recitation in the morning? |
| 12:21.19 | Nyle | internet! |
| 12:21.19 | jaggy- | Nyle... egypt? |
| 12:21.20 | abrotman | jaggy-: wrong channel |
| 12:21.29 | Nyle | everything is available on the information super highway |
| 12:21.34 | jaggy- | abrotman, you sure are picky with your "on-topic" stuff ;) |
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| 12:22.16 | Nyle | jaggy-, join #debian-offtopic and i'll tell you all about islam |
| 12:22.20 | Nyle | or whatever |
| 12:22.46 | Nyle | stanis_sh, please do not msg me |
| 12:22.50 | CoolCold | i'm trying to create my netboot image |
| 12:23.14 | CoolCold | took kernel from backports, linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 from lenny |
| 12:23.16 | stanis_sh | Nyle: okay. |
| 12:23.21 | Nyle | stanis_sh, thanks. |
| 12:23.30 | Nyle | stanis_sh, you should join ##hardware |
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| 12:23.47 | Sertse | hello |
| 12:23.54 | CoolCold | building fails with "some modules are in more than one package" |
| 12:23.55 | aNOOBisa | hello |
| 12:24.04 | stew | jaggy-: i'd suspect flash. with gnash, you could just "killall gtk-gnash" and stop all the flash rendering. i don't know about adobe's player though |
| 12:24.13 | CoolCold | can't get why one module is copied in two packages |
| 12:24.39 | CoolCold | how can i detect & fix this? |
| 12:24.57 | Nyle | also what I don't get is what during my bootup, I see sometimes the same module is being loaded over and over by diff things |
| 12:24.58 | hramrach | Nyle: no, I was not building a PC, I just say that while support for ATI improves in general thre are some chipsets that fall into a blackhole for which there is no documentation and the 3D support is quite poor. |
| 12:25.13 | Sertse | my comp won't allow me to mount other volumes are some reason |
| 12:25.17 | jaggy- | I put a ff plugin (flashblock or something) so I have to specifically click on any flash app to start it.. I didn't know there was a non-adobe flash plugin, but with all the flash animators out there I'm not surprised |
| 12:25.19 | Nyle | why is this? how come those debian packages or whatever don't work well togther? |
| 12:25.31 | Nyle | why are they being loaded over n over at diff times during boot? |
| 12:25.31 | Sertse | "you are not priveliged" etc |
| 12:25.48 | jaggy- | I never could get ktoon to work in etch.. I got it to compile and run from the deb sources of sid.. but it doesn't function properly |
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| 12:26.08 | scatterp | can any one help me connect useing iwconfig via cli ? |
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| 12:26.35 | abrotman | scatterp: we just went over this .. and i pasted a URL with pretty explicit instructionsa |
| 12:26.54 | Sertse | hmmm |
| 12:27.04 | scatterp | abrotman something happened to my xchat i may have missed it sorry could you repaste that i am using bitchx for now |
| 12:27.15 | abrotman | http://www.alwayssunny.com/blog/?p=30 |
| 12:28.20 | liable | wonders why abrotman keeps linking his crappy blog |
| 12:28.24 | enouf | Nyle: some are being loaded from the initrd, some from being listed in /etc/modules (or /etc/modprob.d/) , and less from certain startup scripts |
| 12:28.27 | liable | runs |
| 12:28.34 | enouf | Nyle: enable bootlog too |
| 12:28.47 | Nyle | enouf, ahh crap bootlog isn't there |
| 12:28.47 | Nyle | doh |
| 12:28.53 | Nyle | will try next time I reboot |
| 12:28.59 | Jyzygzy- | can arping handle reverse arps? |
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| 12:29.15 | Sertse | anyways. |
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| 12:29.55 | abrotman | scatterp: and you're only configuring one .. so it should be half as easy as that guy did |
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| 12:30.52 | enouf | Nyle: it's called /var/log/boot* |
| 12:31.08 | enouf | i mean the actual log file names |
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| 12:31.37 | Nyle | enouf, yes i know |
| 12:31.38 | Jyzygzy- | rarpd - Reverse Address Resolution Protocol daemon |
| 12:31.41 | Jyzygzy- | DAEMON?? |
| 12:31.57 | enouf | ok |
| 12:32.02 | macoute | and on here too: i have an email-server running on domain foo.com. i want to host domains bar.com mail there too. do i need to change anything else than mx-record on domain bar.com and foo.com's postfix-settings? |
| 12:32.16 | jelly | !wayttd Jyzygzy- |
| 12:32.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Jyzygzy-? |
| 12:32.23 | Jyzygzy- | jelly perform reverse arp |
| 12:32.30 | Jyzygzy- | i wanna know who this MAC belongs to |
| 12:32.50 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: /sbin/rarp? |
| 12:33.02 | scatterp | abrotman i did it, it didnt work.. |
| 12:33.11 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:33.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:33.17 | streuner | !didn't work |
| 12:33.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:33.46 | Nyle | yes it actually sits on the couch. ALL DAY! |
| 12:33.56 | streuner | Nyle: hehe :-) |
| 12:34.00 | Nyle | :D |
| 12:34.24 | Jyzygzy- | god damn why don't they include examples in all the manuals |
| 12:34.29 | Nyle | if it begs on the street for change, thats also a kind of work |
| 12:34.30 | Jyzygzy- | i hate when there is no example |
| 12:34.39 | Nyle | Jyzygzy-, conf files are mostly commented heavily |
| 12:34.42 | streuner | Jyzygzy-: because there is google ? :-P |
| 12:34.53 | stew | Jyzygzy-: please submit patches |
| 12:35.07 | Nyle | Jyzygzy-, or there are examplesof conf files etc. inside /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ etc. etc |
| 12:35.10 | streuner | Jyzygzy-: don't forget usenet too (groups.google.com) |
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| 12:35.15 | Nyle | Jyzygzy-, dpkg -L pkgname|grep doc |
| 12:35.47 | Nyle | if there are NO examples at all, then you try google obviously and if you fail, you come to irc and find the correct channel to ask |
| 12:36.19 | Jyzygzy- | This kernel does not support RARP. |
| 12:36.28 | abrotman | did you compile it yourself? |
| 12:36.31 | Jyzygzy- | no |
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| 12:36.40 | streuner | Jyzygzy-: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 12:36.40 | jlu | hi, if have installed fglry from ati under lenny. but if start a fglrxinfo or a 3d app the whole system freezes. any ideas what i can do? |
| 12:36.41 | Sertse | heh. with just deleted my "help me" request after reading that.. |
| 12:36.56 | Jyzygzy- | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-7) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 |
| 12:37.02 | streuner | hm |
| 12:37.08 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/r948J315.html and http://rafb.net/p/2GYtNh27.html |
| 12:38.07 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: oh, right, no kernels did, since a long time ago. just use the daemon |
| 12:38.08 | streuner | Jyzygzy-: what happens if you grep the config file of the kernel? |
| 12:38.16 | streuner | nm |
| 12:39.05 | Jyzygzy- | so what? |
| 12:39.26 | Jyzygzy- | do i have to loop arping to all the IP-addresses in my network |
| 12:39.34 | Jyzygzy- | and grep for the HW-addr i wanna know |
| 12:40.40 | Jyzygzy- | i guess so |
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| 12:43.23 | hatseflats | Can I run the current stable debian distro on a vanilla kernel? |
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| 12:43.35 | tarzeau | hatseflats: sure, why not? |
| 12:44.01 | hatseflats | tarzeau: not a clue, had some trouble earlier with an obscure distro that relied on some very specific kernel settings etc |
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| 12:44.31 | hatseflats | tarzeau: I want to run debian as a VPS on a gentoo-compiled OpenVZ kernel, I suppose it should work |
| 12:44.47 | hatseflats | but I don't want to waste a few days only to find out it can't be done :) |
| 12:44.50 | JonkoPAA | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.53 | tarzeau | hatseflats: openvz doesn't sound vanilla, but try |
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| 12:46.14 | hatseflats | tarzeau: I will, thanks, I said vanilla while I actually meant a kernel not from the debian repositories, but I guess it amounts to the same |
| 12:46.37 | Jyzygzy- | for ((i=1;i<255;i+=1)); do sudo arping 192.168.0.$i; done |
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| 12:47.03 | Jyzygzy- | have to make arping exit after first reply |
| 12:47.03 | scatterp | abrotman http://rafb.net/p/r948J315.html and http://rafb.net/p/2GYtNh27.html |
| 12:47.40 | Dantix | hi all, I need to clone a full installed box hard disk. I've tryed with dd but it lasts 5 hours, are there a quicker way to do that? |
| 12:48.24 | stew | Dantix: cp is faster than dd unless you choose a better blocksize for dd |
| 12:48.31 | Jyzygzy- | for ((i=1;i<255;i+=1)); do sudo arping -c 1 192.168.0.$i | head -n 2 | tail -n 1; done |
| 12:48.33 | Jyzygzy- | SLOW |
| 12:48.53 | Jyzygzy- | arp is slow as hell |
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| 12:49.30 | Dantix | stew: but cp will stops on used files such those inside /proc, isn't it? |
| 12:49.52 | Jyzygzy- | 1 address takes 2seconds |
| 12:50.06 | stew | Dantix: i don't mean cp a mounted filesystem to another, but instead of somehting like "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" doing "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" |
| 12:50.26 | Jyzygzy- | ((2*255)/60) = 8.5 |
| 12:50.48 | Jyzygzy- | ok something is not right |
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| 12:50.52 | Jyzygzy- | arp requests are only 60bytes |
| 12:51.11 | Jyzygzy- | in 100Mbit network 60 bytes don't take 2seconds to trasnfer |
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| 12:51.44 | Dantix | stew: ah, right, thank you very much! |
| 12:51.49 | Jyzygzy- | 60*255 = 15,3kB |
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| 12:52.02 | hatseflats | Jyzygzy-: why the obnoxious for-loop? you could echo 192.168.1.{1..254} | xargs -n1 arping |
| 12:52.20 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what makes you think that all the time spent is in transfer time? |
| 12:52.21 | Jyzygzy- | hatseflats cause i didn't know such thing exists |
| 12:52.42 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i'd assume that all the time is spent waiting on a timeout when you are sinding a ping to a non-existant node |
| 12:52.44 | Jyzygzy- | stew but seriosly 15,3kB shouldn't take 8.5minutes to trasnfer |
| 12:52.54 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what makes you think it does? |
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| 12:53.05 | Jyzygzy- | there is some stupid timeout in arping |
| 12:53.18 | hatseflats | Jyzygzy-: perhaps nmap is faster at finding hosts that are up? dunno |
| 12:53.30 | Jyzygzy- | hatseflats im finding their MAC-addresses |
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| 12:54.41 | scatterp | can some one please help me get my wireless working i can not stand this wire :( |
| 12:54.55 | stew | scatterp: what is wrong with your wireless? |
| 12:55.18 | scatterp | stew i had some other issues previously and i had to uninstall networkmanager |
| 12:55.23 | scatterp | stew i have iwconfig here |
| 12:55.28 | zaph | Anyone had problem compiling the geoip 1.33 C API under etch 4.0 ? "undefined varaible charset", seems like its the same error on gentoo, so maybee maxmind has screwed their release... |
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| 12:55.34 | scatterp | i have tryed to install guis for it with no luck |
| 12:55.55 | scatterp | stew if i install networkmanager again it downgrades libnl to 1.0 i have 1.1 |
| 12:56.17 | jlu | can somebody please help me with my problem? i have installed the newest fglrx driver from ati.com. but everytime a 3d application runs the whole system freezes. is there a solution for this problem? |
| 12:56.32 | Nyle | jlu, ati drivers suck |
| 12:56.35 | Jyzygzy- | whats the channel for arping? |
| 12:56.42 | Nyle | jlu, #ati maybe? |
| 12:56.43 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i doubt there is one |
| 12:56.46 | Jyzygzy- | damn |
| 12:56.48 | Nyle | jlu, which graphics card do you have? |
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| 12:57.00 | Nyle | jlu, you could possibly get away with 'radeon' |
| 12:57.02 | hatseflats | jlu: just a guess, use a older driver? |
| 12:57.12 | jlu | Nyle, i have a ati mobility 9600/9700 |
| 12:57.15 | Nyle | or use the driver present in debian |
| 12:57.21 | Nyle | jlu, use 'radeon' driver |
| 12:57.22 | hatseflats | Nyle: I've been using radeon for a while now... and I'm not pleased :( |
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| 12:57.35 | Nyle | its either that or flgrx freezes the system |
| 12:57.44 | Jyzygzy- | guess i try compile my own version that performs faster |
| 12:57.47 | EoN | Is 'zip' included on standard debian install? |
| 12:57.50 | Jyzygzy- | take those stupid timeouts away |
| 12:57.53 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what about doing something like "for a in 192.168.1.{1..254} ; do sh -c "ping -c1 $a &" ; done " then doing "arp -an" |
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| 12:58.11 | jlu | but with the radeon driver the system freeze in gdm. |
| 12:58.15 | scatterp | stew any ideas? |
| 12:58.18 | hatseflats | stew: that's even better |
| 12:58.19 | Nyle | hatseflats, why are you so displeased? |
| 12:58.22 | stew | scatterp: what is the question? |
| 12:58.35 | scatterp | stew how can i get the wireless working ? |
| 12:58.41 | stew | scatterp: with iwconfig? |
| 12:58.48 | hatseflats | Nyle: performance is utterly disastrous, in flash and CSS complex sites I can count the framerate |
| 12:58.49 | cast | EoN: i have a feeling it isn't in the base install |
| 12:58.52 | scatterp | stew ok with iwconfig ? |
| 12:59.29 | stew | scatterp: iwocnfig wlan0 essid youressid channel N ; assuming your interface is named wlan0 and you don't use encryption |
| 12:59.33 | Nyle | hatseflats, go to #radeon and tell them too |
| 12:59.40 | scatterp | trying |
| 12:59.46 | stew | scatterp: or man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces ; to read about putting those settings into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:59.47 | Nyle | hatseflats, I wonder if they have tips on improving the performance |
| 12:59.55 | hatseflats | Nyle: will do |
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| 13:00.55 | scatterp | stew i did that then ifconfig wlan0 it still dont have a ip ? |
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| 13:01.19 | stew | scatterp: that would only get it on the wireless, not give it a ip, do you plan to use a static ip or dhcp? |
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| 13:01.28 | scatterp | dhcp |
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| 13:01.42 | scatterp | stew i did dhclient wlan0 and it dont get an ip |
| 13:01.45 | stew | scatterp: "dhclient wlan0" should get it an ip if you successfully got it connected to wireless |
| 13:01.58 | SamuraiDio | i'm having problems with nautilus, that can't open *.mkv files saying that they are audio files (i can open then only selecting 'Open With...', but don't with double click). It was since my last aptitude full-upgrade, nautilus has been upgraded to version 2.20, how can i fix that? |
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| 13:02.07 | stew | scatterp: does "iwconfig" list an "Access Point" mac address? |
| 13:02.09 | scatterp | stew there was no error from the iwconfig command |
| 13:02.21 | scatterp | yes |
| 13:02.30 | stew | scatterp: and it is not all zeros? |
| 13:02.39 | scatterp | Access Point: 00:18:39:20:3F:5A |
| 13:02.39 | EoN | gzip can't zip in standard 'zip' format can it? |
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| 13:02.55 | liable | does it show a signal strength? |
| 13:03.22 | stew | EoN: no, use 'zip' and 'unzip' for that |
| 13:03.22 | scatterp | Link Quality=84/100 Signal level:-37 dBm Noise level=-91 dBm |
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| 13:03.35 | stew | scatterp: are you sure you have a dhcp server on the network? |
| 13:03.44 | scatterp | stew yes |
| 13:04.44 | liable | scatterp: do you know the ap's ip? |
| 13:04.48 | scatterp | stew 7 other laptops here connected to it with out issue |
| 13:04.53 | scatterp | liable yes 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:05.10 | liable | scatterp: ok, so lets just check if manusl ip works |
| 13:05.28 | scatterp | ok how would i set that ? |
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| 13:05.52 | liable | scatterp: ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.52 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 |
| 13:06.10 | liable | s/wlan0/whatever it is/ |
| 13:06.29 | liable | scatterp: then try to ping the gateway |
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| 13:06.41 | scatterp | liable it didnt like the first command |
| 13:06.54 | scatterp | oh yes it did |
| 13:07.07 | EoN | is this the right command to install zip? -> apt-get install zip # |
| 13:07.11 | EoN | (im a debian noob) |
| 13:07.15 | scatterp | seems connected ill pull wire out to confirm |
| 13:07.17 | scatterp | brb |
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| 13:08.51 | themill | EoN: Looks fine. use apt-cache or packages.debian.org to check package names if you don't know what they are already. (but zip is the right one) |
| 13:09.00 | m6mmix | any ideas why i can't open php files directly from my server |
| 13:09.05 | m6mmix | am i missing some plugin? |
| 13:09.05 | themill | EoN: You might also want unzip... |
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| 13:09.13 | m6mmix | when i open the site it offers save or open |
| 13:09.20 | EoN | thanks guys |
| 13:09.25 | themill | dpkg: tell m6mmix about php wants me to download still |
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| 13:10.08 | scatterp | it didnt work |
| 13:10.11 | scatterp | let me pastebin this |
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| 13:11.05 | scatterp | liable http://rafb.net/p/CwLpxQ55.html |
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| 13:14.14 | liable | scatterp: do the above, but give it the 104 address and take down eth1 with 'ifconfig eth1 down' then try and ping |
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| 13:14.53 | liable | scatterp: and if you can show the iwlist scan results for that ap please |
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| 13:17.30 | scatterp | liable didnt work |
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| 13:17.53 | liable | scatterp: ok, show me the output of an iwlsit scan |
| 13:17.54 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/ZftkQ438.html |
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| 13:18.39 | abrotman | just uses the wireless-essid option .. and the key option .. and tha'ts it .. all works superduper |
| 13:19.01 | liable | scatterp: and while we are at it, might as well paste your route output |
| 13:19.04 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/682ert70.html |
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| 13:19.47 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/eIGUvR86.html |
| 13:20.04 | scatterp | abrotman i tryed i pasted you the output didnt work.. |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | Warning: Driver for device wlan1 has been compiled with version 22 |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 20. |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | Some things may be broken... |
| 13:20.33 | abrotman | that doesn't seem good |
| 13:21.06 | scatterp | abrotman thats my other card its not working thats another issue |
| 13:21.11 | liable | doesnt usually matter |
| 13:21.17 | OpenTokix | If I have a parition that is 19236340 1K-blocks - would dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda4 bs=1024 count=19236340 overwrite that parition? |
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| 13:21.42 | liable | scatterp: when you take eth1 down, make sure you have done the route and ifconfig things after, then try and ping. |
| 13:21.42 | PriitM | is the vino VNC server with hard password(14 letters and numbers) with high port safe, or I should add something else? Allowing only one host isn't an option, client has dynamic IP |
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| 13:22.21 | scatterp | liable i dont think the route statement is formated right it gives a useage response i pasted it in the pastebin |
| 13:22.42 | AbsintheSyringe | please don't bother this dull question, but what is the best backup solution for debian? |
| 13:23.00 | AbsintheSyringe | I have this sis server setup, and I can't pick what would be the best backup solution |
| 13:23.06 | liable | scatterp: because you didnt put the whole command in. |
| 13:23.55 | scatterp | what was missing ? |
| 13:24.02 | liable | scatterp: the command i gave previously, you can copy/paste, but change the ip to 104 |
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| 13:24.46 | liable | scatterp: ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.104 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 |
| 13:24.47 | scatterp | Alam_Debian:/home/scatterp/Desktop/Downloads/gwireless_applet-0.8# ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.104 up; route add -net default gw |
| 13:24.53 | scatterp | is that right ? |
| 13:25.06 | scatterp | ahh i see |
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| 13:27.37 | Jyzygzy- | i wonder if using "find / | grep -ri \"foobar\"" is slower than using just find |
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| 13:27.40 | abrotman | you didn't put the gateway IP |
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| 13:28.50 | themill | Jyzygzy-: you have a filename with "foobar" (including quotes) in it? And what is -r supposed to do? |
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| 13:29.51 | Jyzygzy- | i don't know |
| 13:29.56 | Jyzygzy- | prolly nothing |
| 13:30.12 | Jyzygzy- | i just always grep from find / |
| 13:30.17 | Jyzygzy- | cause i don't remember the find syntax |
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| 13:30.35 | scatterp | liable http://rafb.net/p/H27reX74.html |
| 13:30.36 | scatterp | didnt work |
| 13:30.50 | EoN | if i'm doing zip test1.zip test1.txt test2.txt - does anyone know the switch/syntax to have those files contained within a folder inside the zip? ie when extracted i'd like the zip to have /foo/test1.txt & /foo/test2.txt |
| 13:30.51 | themill | Jyzygzy-: /msg dpkg using find |
| 13:30.57 | EoN | ideally without having to create that dir before doing the zip |
| 13:31.32 | EoN | maybe its the only way |
| 13:32.06 | liable | scatterp: your route is still screwy in the last post |
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| 13:32.15 | MacGyverNL | How do I limit locate to only search in the current working directory and subdirs? |
| 13:32.39 | SlayerXP | MacGyverNL: you don't, you use find for that |
| 13:32.40 | scatterp | liable hmm well like i mentioned at the end i had to ctrl c to get prompt back |
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| 13:32.42 | MacGyverNL | I've tried some things I thought might work from the man page, but... |
| 13:32.47 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. |
| 13:32.57 | MacGyverNL | Okay, that explains why I couldn't find it. |
| 13:34.03 | liable | scatterp: route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 |
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| 13:34.29 | liable | scatterp: after doing the ifconfig down eth1, and ifconfig wlan0 up stuff |
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| 13:36.06 | liable | scatterp: the route command will return after a while. if it takes ages, its usually because it cant ping the gateway |
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| 13:36.24 | liable | scatterp: but it will eventually return |
| 13:36.44 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/XGbT4668.html |
| 13:37.05 | scatterp | is this right so far ? |
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| 13:37.44 | themill | MacGyverNL: locate + grep will be much faster than using find unless you are only searching a small section of the disk... |
| 13:37.50 | liable | scatterp: no |
| 13:37.52 | epoxy|w3rk | scatterp, should just need one default route.. could be wrong |
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| 13:38.16 | liable | scatterp: ifconfig eth1 down |
| 13:38.30 | liable | scatterp: ifconfig wlan0 192.168.164 up |
| 13:38.51 | liable | scatterp: route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 |
| 13:39.14 | epoxy|w3rk | claps |
| 13:39.50 | liable | not funny :P |
| 13:40.04 | themill | epoxy|w3rk: you're coming in well into the story and you're not helping... |
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| 13:40.35 | epoxy|w3rk | themill, thanks for that. how the fuck was i supposed to know |
| 13:40.44 | scatterp | liable so i run this then come back and paste ? |
| 13:40.52 | scatterp | Alam_Debian:/home/scatterp/Desktop/Downloads/gwireless_applet-0.8# ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.104 up; route add -net default gw 192.1; route ;ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:40.52 | liable | scatterp: yep |
| 13:40.58 | themill | epoxy|w3rk: try reading. |
| 13:40.59 | jaggy- | MacGyverNL: locate -r ^`pwd` |
| 13:41.10 | epoxy|w3rk | just trying to help damn |
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| 13:42.05 | jaggy- | I'm not sure what happens if the current dir has spaces though.. |
| 13:42.13 | liable | scatterp: while you are at it, show me your ps output, seeing the directory you are working from.. |
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| 13:42.34 | magyar | sshd[20074]: Illegal user shutdown from << what does this mean? |
| 13:43.23 | rendar | well, someone told me i can't install compiz-configuration manager on debian stable, because debian stable has too old software, is it true? |
| 13:43.23 | pmo | hi, is there any tool to translate words, only by moving over them,or something similar, like in explorer ? |
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| 13:43.24 | SlayerXP | magyar: it means that you think that pasting partial error messages is useful |
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| 13:44.22 | cahoot | really useful input |
| 13:44.27 | hoopy | how does one make a service start at boot? i'm remember something about renaming scripts in /etc/rc.n |
| 13:44.32 | slayton | it is possible to compile .debs on one machine but then sign them using a gnupg key on a 2nd machine? |
| 13:44.53 | themill | magyar: you might want to install something like fail2ban |
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| 13:45.19 | serujisan | hi |
| 13:45.41 | pmo | hi, is there any tool to translate words, only by moving over them,or something similar, like in explorer ? |
| 13:45.54 | themill | slayton: of course, copy them across and use "debsign" from the devscripts package |
| 13:46.05 | slayton | ok GREAT! Thank you! |
| 13:46.23 | serujisan | i had delete php4-common and i have problems with install any package with apt-get because i have and error: libphp5.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
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| 13:46.31 | slayton | so I can us debsign after I run debuild? |
| 13:46.41 | themill | slayton: You may want to specify the -uc and -us options to dpkg-buildpackage so that it doesn't try to sign things as it makes them |
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| 13:47.10 | serujisan | how i can fix this |
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| 13:49.06 | magyar | themill: I have denyhosts running but does the log message indicates that someone logged in and tried shutting down the server? |
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| 13:50.43 | scatterp | liable http://rafb.net/p/rlCaHQ18.txt |
| 13:50.56 | scatterp | sorry i took a while had some confusion connected to the wrong network |
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| 13:51.20 | prem | Hi All, |
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| 13:51.41 | themill | magyar: denyhosts is fine too. No, it probably indicates that someone *tried* to login over ssh with the username "shutdown". Although the error message is usually a little different ("Invalid" not "Illegal"). Unless that's changed recently of course. |
| 13:51.57 | liable | scatterp: ok. that time it all looked sane and for all purposes should be working. |
| 13:52.04 | aNOOBisa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.09 | liable | scatterp: what driver is the card using? |
| 13:52.16 | scatterp | iwl3945 |
| 13:52.20 | subopt | I'm having trouble unzipping xkeycaps (a tar.Z file). Tried using unzip. Is there some other zip util i need to use? |
| 13:52.26 | scatterp | liable but i couldnt ping as you saw.. |
| 13:52.30 | prem | I am using lenny on AMD64, and trying to get swiftfox wokring, I can see it coming up, but the there none of the icons are working, and I get warning messages Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 13:52.43 | liable | scatterp: reload the module and paste the relevant dmesg stuff |
| 13:52.43 | themill | subopt: tar -Zxf xkeycaps.tar.Z |
| 13:52.53 | subopt | themill: thanks |
| 13:52.56 | themill | subopt: Z is the old unix "compress" program, not zip |
| 13:52.58 | scatterp | liable how ? |
| 13:53.15 | netcrash | Helo , I'm trying to setup xen on debian, I have the kernel /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz dom0_mem=262144 and /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-xen-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro setup , but after I start xm create config I get this error , Unexpected error: exceptions.OSError; Any tips |
| 13:53.16 | netcrash | ? |
| 13:53.20 | liable | scatterp: which chip is it 3945 or 4965? |
| 13:53.21 | slayton | when I run debuild or dpkg-buildpackage will that generate the .dsc file? |
| 13:53.24 | scatterp | 3945 |
| 13:53.43 | liable | scatterp: modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 |
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| 13:54.00 | prem | with the ELFCLASS64 in google turns up many solutions and none of them are working, I tried all of them.could anyone suggest me a way to get rid of this, (other than chroot) |
| 13:54.12 | scatterp | liable there was no output |
| 13:54.15 | scatterp | on the cli |
| 13:54.25 | themill | slayton: yes. dsc, changes, .diff.gz and deb |
| 13:54.27 | liable | scatterp: look at the end of your dmesg output, paste it |
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| 13:54.42 | scatterp | how do i do that ? |
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| 13:55.06 | liable | scatterp: type 'dmesg' |
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| 13:56.09 | slayton | themill: when I host the debs in my repo do I need to place the .dsc file as well as the .deb or just the .deb? |
| 13:56.26 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/DxhY6w38.html |
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| 13:57.37 | themill | slayton: it is the dsc and changes files that contain the signatures. They also contain checksums of the other files to make sure that everything is intact. You need to copy all of them over. |
| 13:57.37 | liable | scatterp: does the other card work? (the atheros one) |
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| 13:57.51 | scatterp | no |
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| 13:57.59 | scatterp | liable if i install networkmanager |
| 13:58.03 | scatterp | i will connect just fine |
| 13:58.23 | liable | scatterp: iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2 |
| 13:58.36 | liable | scatterp: have you installed the firmware? |
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| 13:59.01 | scatterp | i guess not ? |
| 13:59.10 | liable | scatterp: ls /lib/firmware/ |
| 13:59.26 | scatterp | empty |
| 13:59.36 | shingalate1 | Any reason an ftp user would be able to log in with /bin/bash as their shell but not /bin/false ? |
| 13:59.50 | liable | scatterp: apt-get install iwlwifi-firmware |
| 13:59.55 | slayton | themill: what is a good way to distribute my public key so people can check the signature on my packages? |
| 13:59.59 | liable | erm |
| 14:00.08 | liable | scatterp: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:00.40 | scatterp | ok done |
| 14:00.47 | liable | reload module |
| 14:00.51 | liable | paste dmesg |
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| 14:01.06 | xoz | shingalate1: what do you mean? |
| 14:01.07 | liable | remove ath5k module for clarity sake |
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| 14:01.36 | themill | slayton: upload it to a key server, then they import the key. Note that it's actually the signature of the repository that is checked by apt. Using a tool like reprepo automates that. |
| 14:01.37 | wiramaswara | hi all |
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| 14:01.53 | scatterp | dunno how |
| 14:02.02 | liable | scatterp: modprobe -r ath5k |
| 14:02.17 | liable | scatterp: then reload iwl3945 |
| 14:02.21 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/RmcsSY90.html |
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| 14:02.38 | slayton | themill: so then do I need to sign the packages, or just the repository |
| 14:03.52 | scatterp | done |
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| 14:04.12 | liable | scatterp: have you got a pcmcia card in as well as inbuilt? |
| 14:04.17 | scatterp | yes |
| 14:04.20 | scatterp | want it removed ? |
| 14:04.32 | liable | scatterp: remove it. reload iwl3945 |
| 14:04.39 | liable | i cant tell who is what |
| 14:04.51 | themill | slayton: usually you sign everything as you go... it's usually all automated and I have it set up to use gpg-agent where necessary so it all just happens for me. /msg dpkg reprepro |
| 14:04.53 | scatterp | done |
| 14:05.08 | liable | scatterp: paste dmesg and ifconfig -a output |
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| 14:06.08 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/0Hb4oa96.html |
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| 14:06.22 | scatterp | chops good morning |
| 14:06.28 | chops | scatterp: Good morning |
| 14:06.34 | chops | scatterp: How goes the war? |
| 14:06.52 | scatterp | chops after you left it all kinda worked out it installed but now i have no wifi i have been geting help off liable to solve that |
| 14:07.03 | chops | scatterp: :-( |
| 14:07.04 | liable | scatterp: right, set essid for wlan1 and try and get a dhcp lease |
| 14:07.08 | scatterp | chops i cant install networkmanager because it downgrades libnl so i have no wifi |
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| 14:07.23 | chops | scatterp: You can make another simple sid backport of a more recent version of network-manager |
| 14:07.24 | ArthurArchnix | you know that moment when 'x' starts up, how the screen goes black.. I've got a matching splashy theme with gdm theme but that moment of blackness kinda ruins the effect. I was trying to get it real smooth transition. Can I make gdm begin to load in the background and just kind sit on the boot screen for a few seconds until it's ready, then swtich over? |
| 14:07.43 | scatterp | chops liable which should i do ? |
| 14:07.52 | liable | scatterp: right, set essid for wlan1 and try and get a dhcp lease |
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| 14:08.12 | liable | scatterp: bring wlan1 up, set essid and run dhclient |
| 14:08.27 | chops | scatterp: Strictly speaking you don't need network-manager to set up wifi, but if you're already accustomed to dealing with it, then backporting it may be easier than setting up wifi by hand |
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| 14:08.51 | themill | chops: I doubt upgrading networkmanager on its own is easy. |
| 14:08.51 | scatterp | liable im issuing dhclient now its not working |
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| 14:08.53 | liable | scatterp: you were working on the pcmcia card previously, now its the iwl3945 card |
| 14:09.05 | liable | scatterp: paste iwconfig output |
| 14:09.24 | scatterp | it says not associated looking at why |
| 14:09.27 | liable | scatterp: and i want your ps output too |
| 14:09.38 | chops | themill: He's already done a couple of sid backports, including hacking build-depends to deal with renamed packages in sid |
| 14:09.55 | CaT[t3] | arthur: I think that's a driver thing where it initialises the card and all. in the binary nvidia driver you have a choice between the nvidia logo and blackness. I don't think any other driver gives you much of a choice. |
| 14:10.03 | chops | themill: Does network-manager have hairy dependencies that I don't know about? |
| 14:10.20 | themill | chops: ugh. I was under the impression that newer versions of hal and/or dbus were also required for the newer network-manager. I vaguely remember reading that but I wouldn't be able to cite sources ;) |
| 14:10.36 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/SE4Sem51.html |
| 14:10.45 | liable | backporting NM is likely to be a clusterfuck |
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| 14:12.00 | MayerEugen | what is the best ( free way ) so sign own certificates, that e.g. is not sending warnings / canecls showing the page, email clients like tb play warnings all the time. Is the cacerts.org the onlyway to have a trade of of free / secure ? |
| 14:12.03 | chops | liable, themill: Would it make sense then to just locally compile the etch version against the newer version of libn1? That's the only issue, is a new soname for libn1. |
| 14:13.10 | liable | scatterp: set essid again and check iwconfig output |
| 14:13.21 | scatterp | ok |
| 14:13.35 | magyar | pheeew, that was close |
| 14:13.53 | themill | chops: if this setup isn't working from the command line, then it's not going to work with nm... There were two wireless cards there for a while and nm certainly can't cope with that. |
| 14:13.56 | scatterp | ok its there |
| 14:14.07 | liable | scatterp: associated? |
| 14:14.10 | scatterp | i have a wlan1 ip |
| 14:14.14 | scatterp | from dhcp |
| 14:14.16 | themill | :) |
| 14:14.20 | liable | \o/ |
| 14:14.21 | scatterp | brb i need to get rid of this danm wire |
| 14:14.21 | chops | scatterp: \o/ |
| 14:14.22 | scatterp | :( |
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| 14:15.21 | scatterp | yahoo free at last!!! |
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| 14:15.45 | liable | thus ends the marathin |
| 14:15.49 | scatterp | thanks liable that was great |
| 14:15.53 | liable | marathon* |
| 14:15.55 | ArthurArchnix | CaT[t3]: Almost missed that. Thanks I'll look into it. |
| 14:15.55 | themill | !beer liable |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for liable |
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| 14:16.16 | liable | scatterp: welcome |
| 14:16.33 | CaT[t3] | arthur: good luck :) |
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| 14:16.48 | scatterp | liable i was looking also for a command style pastebin |
| 14:16.53 | scatterp | ls | pastebin |
| 14:16.55 | scatterp | type thingy |
| 14:17.08 | scatterp | i read about a lot of them but could not find any via apt-get |
| 14:17.32 | liable | not sure if debain packages any yet |
| 14:17.34 | jlu | i have tried the radeon driver and the fglrx driver with lenny. but both drivers seems to freeze the whole system. there isn't a 3rd driver or is it? |
| 14:17.40 | liable | wish they would though |
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| 14:17.58 | themill | liable: I think there's one in lenny/sid |
| 14:18.02 | scatterp | well it would be good also to be able to kind of tail a user as well |
| 14:18.09 | liable | themill: cool, name? |
| 14:18.10 | scatterp | themill which ones in sid ? |
| 14:18.18 | themill | !into pastebinit sid |
| 14:18.21 | themill | !info pastebinit sid |
| 14:18.41 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 14:18.42 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
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| 14:19.01 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 14:19.16 | liable | ah, nice |
| 14:19.20 | liable | 'bout time |
| 14:19.44 | DJF5 | :o never new that package excisted... apt-getting it now ^_^ |
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| 14:20.11 | themill | pastebin.ca has had one for a while too |
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| 14:20.53 | adm | ÑÑÑ Ð²Ñегда доÑ
ÑÑ Ð½Ð°ÑодÑ? :) |
| 14:21.04 | chops | !ru |
| 14:21.04 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:21.04 | themill | !ru |
| 14:21.09 | scatterp | :( i tryed to get pastebinit its not working |
| 14:21.14 | liable | adm: english please |
| 14:21.19 | adm | no! |
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| 14:21.33 | adm | I like to write in russian |
| 14:21.44 | liable | we like to ban russians :P |
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| 14:21.53 | adm | :( |
| 14:21.56 | adm | ^)))) |
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| 14:22.16 | scatterp | how can i install that pastebinit thing ? |
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| 14:23.33 | liable | scatterp: which kernel do you have btw? obviously the ath5k driver is broken in it |
| 14:23.55 | liable | i know its broken for wpa2 in 25 |
| 14:24.19 | scatterp | 2.6.24 |
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| 14:25.26 | liable | scatterp: if you want to use that card, you might want to use madwifi for it. its a binary blob, but at least it works. |
| 14:25.37 | scatterp | yes would be good |
| 14:25.58 | scatterp | but my main aim has been to get wifi injection working under iwl3945 |
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| 14:26.24 | liable | if you want to play with that stuff, madwifi is actually pretty good for it |
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| 14:26.46 | enry | looking for a very lightweight mail server for just forwarding emails... any suggestions? |
| 14:26.54 | liable | the iwl cards are patchy depending on driver version |
| 14:27.00 | scatterp | liable well i tryed 7 oses so far |
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| 14:27.14 | scatterp | and some guy said he had it working under debian so here i am :) |
| 14:27.38 | liable | scatterp: depends entirely on driver version, not distro. |
| 14:27.41 | scatterp | under backtrack 3 i was able to make it look like it was injecting but it never was |
| 14:27.49 | scatterp | well in some ways it does |
| 14:27.58 | scatterp | some distros you cant change kernels |
| 14:28.04 | DJF5 | http://www.stgraber.org/2008/06/10/pastebinit-now-debian |
| 14:28.06 | scatterp | and thus the driver wont run |
| 14:28.21 | scatterp | DJF5 i read that i just dont see how to download it |
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| 14:28.42 | liable | enry: ssmtp may be what your after. |
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| 14:28.59 | DJF5 | dpkg install http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pastebinit/pastebinit_0.10-1_all.deb |
| 14:28.59 | dpkg | DJF5: You are moron #7 |
| 14:29.00 | liable | its what i use on my laptops for the mta |
| 14:29.09 | DJF5 | sssht |
| 14:29.11 | liable | hah |
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| 14:29.47 | adm | I known english language is not very good :( Somebody, teach me. |
| 14:29.57 | adm | Help! |
| 14:30.11 | scatterp | is that version of pastebinit safe to install it says ubuntu |
| 14:30.18 | scatterp | adm what do you need help with ? |
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| 14:31.04 | adm | I known english is not very good :( |
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| 14:31.05 | vadmeste | adm: say SOOOS |
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| 14:31.07 | DJF5 | my guess is it's the pastebinit for ubuntu |
| 14:31.10 | adm | I need help |
| 14:31.13 | DJF5 | but not the -ubuntu version, for all |
| 14:31.14 | adm | SOOOOS |
| 14:31.16 | adm | :) |
| 14:31.28 | DJF5 | and it IS a deb file, so i would guess... I'll test it in my VMWare Debian :) |
| 14:31.44 | scatterp | let me know if it breaks it |
| 14:31.49 | scatterp | if it dont i will try it |
| 14:32.09 | themill | DJF5: why wouldn't you just install the debian package? |
| 14:32.36 | scatterp | themill how ? |
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| 14:32.51 | adm | : |
| 14:32.52 | adm | ( |
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| 14:33.18 | adm | Russians people is that? |
| 14:33.19 | themill | scatterp: if you have lenny or sid in your sources.list (with appropriate pinning) then it's a package that is safe to just pull in. You can always just do a simple sid backport on it if you want. |
| 14:33.24 | vadmeste | !tell adm about ask |
| 14:33.25 | adm | :(( |
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| 14:33.36 | adm | What?? |
| 14:33.41 | scatterp | themill i tryed it didnt work |
| 14:33.47 | scatterp | i have sid in my list |
| 14:33.56 | adm | vadmeste, What? |
| 14:34.16 | vadmeste | adm: You need help or you need somebody to learn you English ? |
| 14:34.32 | vadmeste | adm: you didn't ask your question ! |
| 14:35.05 | justin | themill: if it is an -all .deb it means it is a script, not a binary, and probably works on anything |
| 14:35.25 | adm | vadmeste, No! I known debian. I dont known english. |
| 14:35.47 | themill | justin: it means it will work on any architecture for the intended release. It says nothing about it working between different debian releases or between debian and any other debian-like system. |
| 14:35.52 | liable | adm: so go to the russian channel |
| 14:36.06 | justin | themill: Key word: probably |
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| 14:36.15 | scatterp | vadmeste i think what he means is he knows debian so he can guess the words being said just by being here and then learn english |
| 14:36.34 | vadmeste | adm: /join #debian-russian |
| 14:36.59 | adm | vadmeste, A known this channel |
| 14:37.10 | adm | vadmeste, I known this channel |
| 14:37.13 | adm | :(( |
| 14:37.14 | adm | fuck |
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| 14:37.25 | adm | Sorry |
| 14:37.36 | justin | themill: it's a (poorly written) python script, that only needs basic modules |
| 14:37.41 | scatterp | adm "i know this channel already" |
| 14:38.00 | themill | justin: in this case yes. But -all doesn't mean that. |
| 14:38.08 | justin | themill: when did I say it did? |
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| 14:38.28 | vadmeste | adm: what about /join #english ? |
| 14:38.41 | adm | oo |
| 14:38.47 | liable | adm: whats up? why not go to russian channel? |
| 14:38.49 | scatterp | erm hopfully i can solve this justin themill it works :) |
| 14:39.21 | themill | justin: you were trying to tell me that because it was a -all .deb the ubuntu deb was suitable for installing in debian. That is so rarely the case that it's better that it be considered to *never* work for the safety of people like scatterp who will try it on random things and break their machines. |
| 14:39.35 | adm | liable, I want learn english. |
| 14:39.59 | justin | themill: in the case of a crappy little script, yeah |
| 14:40.02 | liable | adm: ok, so hang out here and learn. |
| 14:40.03 | adm | My english very bad |
| 14:40.11 | adm | My english is very bad |
| 14:40.32 | themill | justin: except that without unpacking it and inspecting it, you cannot know that. If you're going to do that, why not just use the debian package instead? |
| 14:40.57 | scatterp | themill is right i mean it could have something very messed up inside |
| 14:41.28 | scatterp | themill i did know when i did it the risks im so tiered of trying to make things work i was willing to reinstall and make a fresh start that was all |
| 14:41.32 | chops | !tell scatterp about pastebin pipe |
| 14:41.36 | justin | scatterp: technically it does heh, I think whoever wrote that script had never written anything in python before |
| 14:41.46 | scatterp | hey chops i already have it working |
| 14:41.51 | ronr | I run a postfix mailserver on my debian server, now sometimes the thing has too much mail too handle, not a big problem though, however, this often results in mysql having too many connections to lookup an alias resulting in a (temporary) smtp error, postfix decides it handy to mail me those errors, to some extend this is handy (it warns me stuff isn't going right), but often in results in hundreds and hundreds of mails, adding to the problem. |
| 14:41.52 | ronr | Any idea what I can do about this? |
| 14:41.53 | themill | justin: submit patches... |
| 14:41.55 | chops | scatterp: k |
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| 14:42.16 | justin | themill: it would need a complete rewrite, I'm sure there are better pastebin programs out there |
| 14:42.25 | chops | ronr: Increase the number of allowed DB connections? |
| 14:42.25 | wols_ | ronr: make mysql allow more connections? |
| 14:42.31 | themill | justin: so package them.... be constructive |
| 14:42.33 | scatterp | hi wols :D |
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| 14:42.51 | chops | ronr: Or retune postfix not to try to process so many mails simultaneously |
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| 14:43.22 | ronr | chops: wols_: mysql connections is not the solution because that's just an example of a smtp error, I get others as well |
| 14:43.27 | scatterp | liable could you help me get my other card to life ? |
| 14:43.50 | liable | scatterp: install madwifi and it should work, i would imagine |
| 14:43.57 | chops | ronr: What are the others? |
| 14:44.04 | ronr | chops: the errors are all because of incoming mail, I want postfix to accept what is coming in, would be fine if it ends up in the mailbox a bit later |
| 14:44.11 | scatterp | is there a command in bitchx like xchat has /exec |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | use irssi |
| 14:44.20 | liable | scatterp: apt-get install madwifi-source; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 14:44.29 | ronr | chops: I'll check |
| 14:44.36 | scatterp | liable is that with the card inserted ? |
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| 14:44.45 | chops | ronr: You can certainly do that with postfix; I'm not sure how off the top of my head, but that's exactly how postfix is designed to work |
| 14:44.46 | liable | scatterp: doesnt matter |
| 14:44.56 | ronr | chops: Error; queue file write error |
| 14:45.06 | chops | ronr: Is your disk full? |
| 14:45.12 | ronr | chops: no :) |
| 14:45.29 | liable | scatterp: you'll prolly want to blacklist ath5k |
| 14:45.41 | zirikili | exit |
| 14:45.41 | scatterp | how would i do that liable ? |
| 14:45.43 | chops | ronr: I've never seen that error before is why I ask... is your disk failing, perhaps? Can you pastebin a big section of the postfix log showing a few of the errors? |
| 14:45.52 | scatterp | liable i dont find that package madwifi-source |
| 14:45.53 | liable | scatterp: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:46.06 | liable | scatterp: you need non-free in sources.list |
| 14:46.07 | ronr | chops: I can paste the smtp error I got, 1 sec |
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| 14:46.32 | slayton | so I'm looking to host my own personal repository. I don't want to use reprepro or falcon as it is really going to be a small repo with 4-10 packages.... so how do I go about signing the repository so people can trust it? |
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| 14:46.41 | scatterp | liable ok hmm |
| 14:47.18 | ronr | http://pastebin.com/mc391d31 |
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| 14:47.47 | chops | ronr: How about the postfix log? |
| 14:47.50 | ronr | the disk has >33GB free |
| 14:47.59 | scatterp | liable i dont have non free in my list i use deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 14:48.04 | scatterp | how would i add it ? |
| 14:48.25 | liable | scatterp: not on the src line, its in the normal deb line |
| 14:48.25 | liable | !non-free |
| 14:48.26 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:48.38 | ronr | chops: I gotta look it up, which is gonna be a bit hard (current server load is 25 :( ) |
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| 14:48.41 | liable | !non-free sources |
| 14:48.41 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 14:49.09 | chops | ronr: This may help: sudo renice -20 $$ |
| 14:49.12 | EoN | if you use wget to get files via ftp, does it return the rendered output of the pages (for example in php files?) or does it return the actual .php file? |
| 14:49.28 | EoN | i thought it was a standard ftp type thing but now im wondering if i've got it wrong |
| 14:49.41 | chops | EoN: I don't know of any FTP server that will interpret PHP code. You should just get the source. |
| 14:50.06 | ronr | chops: right now it's ok the server load is high, the server has got to work back a big mail queue, I stopped the incoming spam bomb so it's not getting worse any more |
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| 14:50.28 | ronr | chops: the queue write error is actually a lot less common than the mysql one |
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| 14:51.05 | scatterp | liable i have a window here |
| 14:51.06 | EoN | chops: yeah i would have thought so |
| 14:51.06 | chops | ronr: Yeah, you should definitely retune postfix in that case. Big mail volumes should not lead to high server load on postfix (as long as the writes to on-disk queue are able to keep up with the incoming bandwidth) |
| 14:51.08 | EoN | but this is from the man page: If you specify a directory, Wget will retrieve the directory listing, parse it and convert it to HTML. Try:wget ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ |
| 14:51.12 | scatterp | says build failed of madwifi |
| 14:51.15 | fireba11 | EoN : FTP does not work that way (tm) :-) |
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| 14:51.35 | chops | EoN: That has nothing to do with PHP scripts on the server. |
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| 14:51.43 | ronr | chops: the problem is not with postfix but with the spam filtering (amavis) |
| 14:51.44 | liable | scatterp: do m-a -t a-i madwifi |
| 14:51.53 | scatterp | i did |
| 14:51.53 | liable | scatterp: and gimme the rror |
| 14:51.59 | liable | note the -t |
| 14:52.04 | AwesomeGuy | every time I boot debian, the windows open from one time the battery ran out and it saved everthing i guess, now it's getting annoying having to close all of them, how do I make them not come up when I turn it on |
| 14:52.07 | EoN | chops: cool, i didnt think it made sense. but what does it mean 'parse it and convert it to html'? |
| 14:52.12 | chops | ronr: You should still be able to tune postfix not to try to pipe more mails through amavis simultaneously than the server hardware can handle. |
| 14:52.40 | scatterp | liable checking kernel configuration failed |
| 14:52.49 | chops | ronr: wget executes FTP commands to find out the directory listing, and then (apparently, based on what you've said) converts that listing into HTML for display |
| 14:52.59 | scatterp | liable says please enable wireless extentions |
| 14:53.04 | justin | AwesomeGuy: gnome-session-properties/gnome-session-save |
| 14:53.06 | liable | scatterp: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:53.44 | liable | scatterp: uh, that makes no sense.. you have a custom kernel installed? |
| 14:54.03 | scatterp | linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 14:54.13 | liable | scatterp: paste the output |
| 14:54.15 | scatterp | liable i did try to make one yes |
| 14:54.23 | EoN | all i want to do is basically copy an entire directory structure over through ftp |
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| 14:54.45 | stew | AwesomeGuy: is your machine shutting itself down? or is it hibernating or suspending? |
| 14:55.03 | ronr | chops: ok, that sounds like a plan, any ballpark on how many amavis instances I should be able to run (the server is a bit old, runs only mail and low traffic ldap, 1GB RAM and 3.2GHz P4) |
| 14:55.05 | AwesomeGuy | I don't know, it did something one time |
| 14:55.05 | alanhaggai | Hi. I wish to upgrade to experimental. Is there any method to downgrade if the upgrade breaks the system? |
| 14:55.18 | chops | !tell alanhaggai about experimental |
| 14:55.18 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 14:55.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 14:55.20 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/d15451ca5 |
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| 14:55.42 | AwesomeGuy | gnome-session-properties doesn't have a man page :/ |
| 14:55.57 | liable | AwesomeGuy: i guess you need to find the save desktop setting thing in whatever desktop/wm you are using and clear it |
| 14:55.59 | EoN | does this look right? (run from the destination directory) wget --recursive --ftp-user myusername --ftp-password mypassword --no-host-directories --cut-dirs=2 ftp://ftp.example.org/www/sugarcrm/ |
| 14:56.13 | stew | AwesomeGuy: when you turn it back on, is it immediately returning to your x session, is it booting up normally then automaitically switching to your x session, or does it boot up normally, then you have to login normally? |
| 14:56.22 | alanhaggai | Thank you chops and wols_. I will not upgrade then. |
| 14:56.33 | AwesomeGuy | it boots normally, I log in, then the windows come up |
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| 14:56.45 | jelly | EoN: forgot --no-parent |
| 14:56.55 | stew | AwesomeGuy: and you use gnome? (not kde or something) |
| 14:56.59 | AwesomeGuy | puts q-tip in his ear |
| 14:57.01 | AwesomeGuy | yes |
| 14:57.03 | liable | scatterp: um, cat /proc/version |
| 14:57.17 | AwesomeGuy | I don't see a reason for using anything else |
| 14:57.34 | scatterp | liable this might be clearer repeat on previous paste http://pastebin.com/ff1c6169 |
| 14:57.51 | EoN | jelly: woah! im glad i asked :S i cant believe that's not default! thanks |
| 14:57.55 | scatterp | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-7~bpo40+1) (nobse@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Jun 5 13:30:33 UTC 2008 |
| 14:58.00 | jelly | EoN: /me prefers short args: wget -rl0 -np -nH --cut-dirs=2 (it has no short version :() ftp://user:pass@... |
| 14:58.19 | EoN | jelly: yeah that looks a lot cleaner :) i'll use that |
| 14:58.28 | themill | jelly: just gets problematic when the username has an @ in it... :( |
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| 14:58.55 | liable | scatterp: your using a backports kernel? |
| 14:58.55 | jelly | themill: eh |
| 14:59.13 | wols_ | liable: pretty evident... |
| 14:59.15 | scatterp | liable i think so hmm |
| 14:59.28 | themill | jelly: ftp://user:pass@... with username=username@cheaphostinghere.com |
| 14:59.45 | liable | scatterp: where did you get that kernel? |
| 14:59.47 | scatterp | liable chops or wols would know |
| 14:59.53 | EoN | jelly: thanks for that - appreciated. |
| 15:00.15 | scatterp | liable hmm from backports yes |
| 15:00.20 | liable | scatterp: either way, it looks to have broken config. which is odd |
| 15:00.26 | scatterp | i have another that was tar.gz |
| 15:00.39 | EoN | does wget preserve file permissions? |
| 15:00.50 | netcrash | I have a problem I uninstalled python and while trying to install again another package tryes to find python to uninstall it self, and fails nothing else get's run. Any tips ? |
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| 15:01.29 | wols_ | netcrash: reinstall python |
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| 15:02.12 | netcrash | wols_: problem is it tryes to uninstall the other package first |
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| 15:02.54 | scatterp_ | much better i have xchat working now somehow |
| 15:03.04 | justin | AwesomeGuy: gnome-session-properties is a GUI app. you go clicky clicky. |
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| 15:03.46 | scatterp | liable, what about if i got a newer kernel i dont much like this one anyway? |
| 15:04.17 | scatterp | can that be done easily :s |
| 15:04.27 | chops | netcrash: What is the other package? |
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| 15:04.44 | netcrash | xen-utils--common |
| 15:04.44 | AwesomeGuy | hmm, it's not in any of the menus |
| 15:04.45 | chops | netcrash: If it allowed python to be uninstalled but it requires it, that sounds like a bug. You didn't --force anything, did you? |
| 15:04.57 | scatterp | chops liable says my config on my kernels broke :( |
| 15:05.01 | netcrash | chops: no , I didn't |
| 15:05.03 | liable | scatterp: you can try installing a kernel deb from lenny, but if you want to build madwifi, you need the headers and the depends. and if you cant work out how to do that, i am not really feeling so genorous to explain it all ;) |
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| 15:05.19 | justin | AwesomeGuy: preferences |
| 15:05.24 | netcrash | chops: the other package is xen-utils-common |
| 15:05.39 | scatterp | liable, thats no problem you really helped a lot already |
| 15:05.42 | themill | liable: there's the etchnhalf kernel. I don't know whether it uses the same config as backports.org |
| 15:05.48 | AwesomeGuy | oh it was named sessions, not session manager. |
| 15:06.05 | twobitwork | how do I add a windowmanager that I compiled from source to the list of GDM session types? |
| 15:06.31 | liable | scatterp: do this.. 'grep -i wireless /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:06.40 | liable | minus the leading tick |
| 15:06.54 | liable | tell me is wirless extensions is yes |
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| 15:07.25 | chops | netcrash: Can you pastebin the full output including the error? |
| 15:07.32 | Baloo | OK, off to campus and to renew my motorcycle registration. |
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| 15:08.18 | scatterp | yes |
| 15:08.32 | liable | scatterp: paste the line here |
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| 15:09.26 | netcrash | chops: http://pastebin.com/d12948ef4 |
| 15:09.29 | scatterp | CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT=y |
| 15:09.35 | liable | hmm |
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| 15:09.59 | liable | scatterp: ok, cd to /usr/src |
| 15:10.22 | liable | scatterp: tar -jxf madwifi<tab> |
| 15:10.28 | liable | cd madwifi and make |
| 15:10.29 | chops | netcrash: Looks like a bug. I would recommend filing one. |
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| 15:12.55 | scatterp | Please enable wireless extensions. |
| 15:13.03 | liable | odd |
| 15:13.08 | netcrash | chops: ok, I made a search nothing returned from it ... So going to see how to open a bug |
| 15:13.24 | chops | netcrash: Using the 'reportbug' package is a popular way |
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| 15:13.47 | liable | scatterp: i'm at a bit of a loss to what the problem is |
| 15:14.02 | scatterp | liable, how about i just reinstall ? |
| 15:14.10 | liable | scatterp: god no |
| 15:14.20 | themill | There's a newer version of wireless-tools on backports.org too, but I don't think that changes anything important. |
| 15:14.51 | liable | it appears to be not reading the config correctly for some reason |
| 15:15.03 | scatterp | liable, the main issue is just the injection it would be nice to have a second card to be online with while working on geting the injection working but i could always just use a wire |
| 15:15.26 | netcrash | chops: LOL , installing that package solved the problem about installing python since it installed python-2.4 |
| 15:15.51 | chops | netcrash: Heh |
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| 15:16.04 | chops | Well, that's fine; you can just save the error output and use reportbug to explain the problem |
| 15:16.52 | liable | scatterp: grep -i wireless /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build/.config |
| 15:17.06 | scatterp | exec -o grep -i wireless /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build/.config |
| 15:17.08 | scatterp | oops |
| 15:17.24 | scatterp | still says wireless ext yes |
| 15:17.32 | liable | dont do exec -o here |
| 15:17.40 | liable | will get you kicked |
| 15:17.41 | scatterp | i didnt mean to i lost focus on what i was doing |
| 15:18.00 | liable | i have no idea then |
| 15:18.02 | Jyzygzy- | how do you change the INPUT chain default? |
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| 15:18.06 | _HansDietae_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4499618/ |
| 15:18.12 | stew | Jyzygzy-: with -P |
| 15:18.13 | scatterp | sure i shouldnt reinstall ? |
| 15:18.31 | Jyzygzy- | thx |
| 15:18.36 | liable | scatterp: yes, i am sure you dont need to reinstall |
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| 15:18.59 | scatterp | liable maybe just go with out the second wireless |
| 15:19.10 | liable | scatterp: you can try a tarball from madwifi.org |
| 15:19.20 | scatterp | liable, ok |
| 15:19.37 | liable | scatterp: but its odd that you get that error. i havent seen it before |
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| 15:23.34 | soulchild | can someoen help me with my webcam ? |
| 15:23.44 | soulchild | i somehow do now have a /dev/video0 device |
| 15:23.46 | scatterp | liable, i did make it didnt error do i need to make install |
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| 15:25.00 | Symbi0nt | how can I deinstall opengroupware with a packages which came with the install |
| 15:25.09 | Symbi0nt | is there a switch or so in "aptitude"? |
| 15:25.15 | netcrash | chops: sent ... |
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| 15:26.32 | Sertse | hi. I'm having issues with mounting volumes: Getting an error "Cannot mount volume" "You are not privileged to mount this volume". |
| 15:26.38 | wols_ | Symbi0nt: just uninstall |
| 15:26.42 | petemc | Symbi0nt: did you install it with aptitude? |
| 15:26.46 | wols_ | aptitude will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies |
| 15:27.06 | stew | Sertse: what are you doing to produce that error? running mount? doing something clicky? |
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| 15:27.21 | adm | tell me address repositories for debian-lenny-amd64 please. |
| 15:27.26 | Symbi0nt | after typing aptitude remove opengroupware.org i get almost nothing, still a lot of modules/packages with opengroupware in the name are left |
| 15:27.26 | stew | Sertse: and what is the device you are trying to mount? |
| 15:27.34 | stew | adm: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:28.06 | Sertse | computer->right click one of the icon -> click "mount volume". My other partitions. |
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| 15:28.22 | Sertse | windows ones and one other ext3 one |
| 15:28.41 | stew | Sertse: add the "user" option to the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab |
| 15:28.44 | adm | stew, thank you |
| 15:28.46 | stew | Sertse: (man fstab) |
| 15:29.15 | scatterp | liable, i did make and make install with out error not sure what i need to do next to get the card working with madwifi |
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| 15:29.30 | magentar | is there a way to make a lookup of all computer's dns names in my domain? |
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| 15:30.26 | stew | magentar: if your dns server allows it, you could ask for an 'axfr', "dig domain.com axfr" many dns servers are configured to not allow it depending on who is asking |
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| 15:30.40 | magentar | thanks |
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| 15:31.36 | magentar | okay forbidden ;) but good to know anyways |
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| 15:33.10 | stew | magentar: it is thought of as being a bad practice to let random people discover all the possible machines in your domain, which is why it is usally disallowed. the named administrator can selectively allow it to certain IPs though |
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| 15:33.25 | Mefor | anyone know how to get raid1 to work in debian ? |
| 15:33.32 | enry | stew: what would you recommend for a very lightweight mail server that will just be doing forwards? |
| 15:33.38 | magentar | could have been possible since I used it from inside the domain |
| 15:33.41 | liable | scatterp: modprobe -r ath5l; modprobe ath-pci |
| 15:33.44 | stew | enry: nullmailer |
| 15:33.45 | scatterp | liable, i got it working |
| 15:33.51 | scatterp | liable, i didnt do that how ever... |
| 15:34.17 | Mefor | i got this mobo with two SATA ports and raid built into the mobo but linux see's thru the raid... |
| 15:34.18 | scatterp | wlan0 ath5k_pci - [phy1] |
| 15:34.23 | stew | enry: well, nullmailer is a way to have an MTA on the box that does nothing but forward mail onto some other box. it will not accept remote port 25 traffic as a relay, if that is what you mean |
| 15:34.25 | chrismat | I want to install Debian from CentOS via PXE? |
| 15:34.29 | chrismat | Can I use FAI for that? |
| 15:34.31 | scatterp | liable, thanks for all the help bro |
| 15:34.42 | liable | scatterp: np, have fun |
| 15:34.42 | scatterp | liable, i really appriciate it |
| 15:34.47 | Mefor | instead of one 320Gb raid volume there are two 320Gb drives like i never enabled raid in the bios |
| 15:35.43 | enry | stew: i want something that will forward mail from x@mydomain.com to someone elses whatever@gmail.com |
| 15:36.00 | themill | scatterp: now back up all those config files that you've got.... :) |
| 15:36.10 | Symbi0nt | I have 40 packages with the word "opengroupware" in it and I want to deinstall all at once |
| 15:36.16 | enry | stew: i normally go with postfix, but i wonder if theres something smaller i can use |
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| 15:36.20 | stew | enry: so you actually need a real MTA that will accept mail from the internet for mydomain.com? |
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| 15:36.31 | LOOP` | hi people |
| 15:36.35 | enry | stew: yea.. but there are no mail boxes, it's all forwarding |
| 15:36.38 | stew | enry: personally i'd use postfix |
| 15:36.49 | scatterp | themill not sure how but i am making a list of the commands |
| 15:37.40 | masterfreek64 | Anyone knows if there is a difference between debian-edu and debian when it comes to repositories? - I am supposed to move our schools IT to linux and we have a 1GBPS connection to a debian mirror, but not to a debian-edu mirror ( if these exist) |
| 15:37.46 | Mefor | it's a jmicon jmb363 |
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| 15:37.59 | themill | scatterp: you can perhaps look back through you bash history (with the command history|less). And keep a backup of the files you've been editing. Copy them onto a CD or something. |
| 15:38.15 | stew | masterfreek64: i'd recommend asking #debian-edu on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:39.00 | masterfreek64 | stew : Thanks , but also generally speaking , are custom debian distributions just debian with an installer or are they "subsets" (limiting your features as well) |
| 15:39.07 | themill | !debianedu |
| 15:39.07 | dpkg | debianedu is, like, a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as in the class room, in the staff room and in the administration office. See http://www.skolelinux.org/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
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| 15:39.36 | themill | masterfreek64: CDDs are often just groups of people trying to improve one aspect of debian-proper. There's often not much that they publish that isn't just within debian already. |
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| 15:40.16 | themill | masterfreek64: I think debian-edu actually has hard outputs as well though. |
| 15:40.45 | themill | (bloody hell ... "hard outputs"... I've been writing management speak all day and it's showing! :( |
| 15:40.47 | scatterp | themill yes ill do that now |
| 15:41.00 | masterfreek64 | themill: Yeah they got their own CDs .-.. that is why they asked--- i do not want some sort of Ubuntu with 0 support and bugs |
| 15:41.17 | stew | themill: please keep your hard outputs to yourself |
| 15:41.46 | themill | sulks in the corner with his hard output |
| 15:42.08 | stew | debian-edu is actually an officially sanctioned sub-project. which is neither here nor there wrt his question |
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| 15:42.48 | LOOP` | I have a problem, I must compile a drivers for my DVB-T, but when I try to compile I recive an error but not understand from thing it depends. That is the error thath bash return me: http://phpfi.com/328424 |
| 15:42.52 | scatterp | themill i saved all the command history in my desktop :) |
| 15:42.53 | LOOP` | Anyone can help me? |
| 15:43.00 | hramrach | Hello |
| 15:43.01 | stew | masterfreek64: some custom distributions have their own completely separate repositories, some point at debian but also a small repository of their own, i don't there is a general answer to your question. |
| 15:43.16 | hramrach | how do you set up the console to be usable? |
| 15:43.39 | themill | masterfreek64: You'll have to ask them (or their webpages) if everything you get from them is within debian already. Debian-science CDD is entirely within the normal debian repos already. It varies. |
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| 15:43.55 | masterfreek64 | yeah but I cannot seem to get onto irc.debian.org |
| 15:43.57 | masterfreek64 | well brb |
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| 15:44.27 | scatterp | can any one help me get injection working with aircrack ? |
| 15:44.40 | scatterp | i mean with iwl3945 |
| 15:44.40 | hramrach | If I use small resolution it looks OK but if I switch to LCD native resolution the white letters look way too sharp on the black background whatever font I use |
| 15:45.08 | liable | scatterp: you are best answered those questions in the appropriate forum. not here |
| 15:46.05 | LOOP` | maybe I understand my error. "***WARNING:*** You do not have the full kernel sources installed." But how I install if there isn't the source for my specific kernel? |
| 15:46.45 | hramrach | LOOP`: upgarade your kernel. And always install the source or at least headers with your kernel |
| 15:46.59 | liable | LOOP`: if its not in lenny any more (i presume you are using lenny) the visit snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:47.29 | liable | or upgrade would be more sane as hramrach suggests |
| 15:47.42 | LOOP` | hramrach: I try but not exist source for 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 15:47.49 | dcnoye | is experimental and sid the same thing ? |
| 15:47.53 | LOOP` | liable: yes I use lenny |
| 15:48.16 | LOOP` | I upgrade more time |
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| 15:48.21 | LOOP` | but nothing |
| 15:48.23 | scatterp | liable, i had an arguement with one of the contributers i misspasted and he banned me he was saying how i asked him had he ever missed the ctrl key and hit x and he tells me he had yet he had some diffrent version of irc when i pointed out that i was runing the irc client and os that i was advised to run in hes channel or the channel he was oped in he didnt like it some time later he said "rtfm or ill ban you" he had b |
| 15:48.23 | scatterp | een chating in the channel for 4 days and knew i had read it and just wanted trouble so i told him to go ahead and ban |
| 15:48.24 | liable | LOOP`: you dont need specifically -1, just search for linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 15:48.45 | themill | dcnoye: no, and if you have to ask, you probably dont want to go near either of them |
| 15:48.52 | LOOP` | this linux-source-2.6.24 are installed |
| 15:49.00 | liable | scatterp: wtf? |
| 15:49.16 | scatterp | liable, the manual also turned out to be wrong on 50% of the steps |
| 15:49.40 | liable | scatterp: linux wireless is a hugely moving target at the moment |
| 15:50.36 | scatterp | liable, yeah the guide said basicly to use iwl3945 and patch with 2 files the problem was the current version didnt work and second patch didnt work i had to go 2 versions back and use a diffrent second patch to get it to life |
| 15:50.46 | dcnoye | themill: where can i find some documentation on this ? |
| 15:50.47 | hramrach | LOOP`: the point is that at the time you installed your kernel the sources were available. If you just unpacked the sources, copied the config from your cuurent kernel, and built a module you should be able to just load it. Since you do not have the exact sources you will have to build a new kernel an reboot to use whatever you built |
| 15:51.14 | themill | dcnoye: /msg dpkg releases <== a good start |
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| 15:51.58 | liable | scatterp: really, if you want to play with injection and stuff, you really need to follow a few lists and get the latest greatest drivers/user space apps |
| 15:51.59 | scatterp | liable, i have been geting some help from the spanish aircrack community (much nicer guys) they had me try a livecd wifislax but it dont boot so i am waiting to talk to them more luckily i speak spanish |
| 15:52.06 | colulu | is there any command that can allow me to check the port an application is listening on? |
| 15:52.12 | aleix | does anyone know what is the package that contains the "ip" tool? |
| 15:52.14 | MayerEugen | is there a build in way to use cacerts unde rdebian ? |
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| 15:52.49 | liable | scatterp: basically you need to follow whats going on in that space. |
| 15:53.03 | dcnoye | themill: that doesn't give me any info at all |
| 15:53.12 | scatterp | liable, i would say this guy would probebly ban me somehow if i joined the list i was thinking to proxy back in to the channel in a month |
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| 15:53.19 | anddam | hi |
| 15:53.51 | scatterp | liable, i think basicly the cards ready to inject now i did a lot of work on it i just dont remember how to test if it can inject |
| 15:53.52 | LOOP` | hramrach: I have kernel 2.6.24-1-686 and sources: 2.6.24 with patch. but I think that there is any problem whit this kernel because also virtualbox do not work fine. Kernel 2.6.24-1-486 is better than 2.6.24-1-686. Maybe I try with 2.6.24-1-486 |
| 15:54.20 | scatterp | liable, let me try in remote-exploit maybe they can help me |
| 15:54.25 | themill | dcnoye: erm, I thought http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases was quite a good answer for you, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding your question... |
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| 15:55.01 | hramrach | LOOP`: you probably want the virtualbox module |
| 15:55.05 | Sertse | stew: Thanks a lot for the reference. Got it working now. and learnt something too :) |
| 15:55.11 | liable | scatterp: i am not much help. i dont do that sort of thing. just trying to offer advice |
| 15:55.24 | LOOP` | hramrach: virtualbox module are installed |
| 15:55.35 | LOOP` | but when I try to start it |
| 15:55.42 | LOOP` | it return me this error: |
| 15:56.20 | LOOP` | http://phpfi.com/328430 |
| 15:56.20 | scatterp | thanks liable |
| 15:56.24 | scatterp | need to reconnect brb |
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| 15:56.33 | anddam | what is a wireless chipset that is easily configured in Master mode too with debian? |
| 15:56.41 | anddam | I'm gonna dump this card |
| 15:57.06 | liable | any old driver or a madwifi card |
| 15:57.20 | liable | mac80211 doesnt do ap yet |
| 15:57.38 | anddam | liable: any name? |
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| 15:57.52 | liable | anddam: specific card? no |
| 15:57.54 | anddam | liable: I'm not sure what mac80211 is exactly |
| 15:58.12 | liable | anddam: visit the hostapd web page |
| 15:58.28 | anddam | liable: lol, that's the reason I came here asking for an easy chipset :-) |
| 15:58.48 | anddam | liable: built the rt2x00 driver I need to build the latest hostapd and I'm pretty lost |
| 15:58.56 | twobitwork | !ping |
| 15:58.56 | dpkg | pong |
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| 16:00.44 | liable | anddam: i am quite against giving advice for specific chips for this purpose, because so much is changing in the linux wireless driver space recently. however, atheros chips supported by madwifi genrally work ok. |
| 16:00.45 | hramrach | LOOP`: this is not kernel problem at all, and it is even explained there how to fix it |
| 16:01.21 | LOOP` | I not find how fix it |
| 16:01.45 | hramrach | it says to add yourself to vboxusers or whatever |
| 16:02.07 | LOOP` | I do many times |
| 16:02.11 | LOOP` | but nothing |
| 16:02.17 | anddam | liable: maybe you could just help figuring it out |
| 16:02.22 | liable | did you log out? |
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| 16:02.34 | LOOP` | It's strange because before upgrade virtualbox work fine |
| 16:02.40 | hramrach | LOOP`: did you log out an log in ? |
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| 16:02.47 | liable | anddam: not likely, im about to head to bed |
| 16:03.04 | LOOP` | yes |
| 16:03.05 | hramrach | and what are the permissions on the file? |
| 16:03.15 | hramrach | you can just chown it to yourself |
| 16:03.22 | anddam | liable: where are you from? |
| 16:03.36 | anddam | aussie? |
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| 16:04.18 | liable | yes |
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| 16:05.13 | ArthurArchnix | Hey...I've got f-spot, beagle and banshee on my system, and apparently not one of them is going to be updated in Lenny. |
| 16:05.14 | LOOP` | the error that before virtualbox return me is that missed permission at /dev/vboxdrv I try to do chmod 007 to it and after I try also chmod 777. But now return me only this error and I can't resolv |
| 16:05.17 | anddam | I'll catch you next time then |
| 16:05.23 | buntfalke | How to get raw picture format support (.nef) in gwenview? |
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| 16:06.07 | themill | ArthurArchnix: what do you mean? |
| 16:06.11 | ArthurArchnix | They're all being held back by cairo http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cairo.html which if I read that right, is only because of a bad flag, a dependency is listed wrong. Now it's in freeze and you're suppoesd to contact debian-release if you want to have it considered for update |
| 16:06.39 | ArthurArchnix | My question is, who is supposed to contact devel-release? I mean, banshee is a pretty major update. |
| 16:06.49 | themill | ArthurArchnix: I suspect cairo will go in. The maintainer should do it. |
| 16:07.03 | LOOP` | hramrach: do you think thath I don't resolve if I installa 486? |
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| 16:07.16 | hramrach | LOOP`: not likely |
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| 16:07.29 | stew | ArthurArchnix: you can send an email to http://lists.debian.org/debian-release if you think that it is appropriate for it to now move to testing |
| 16:07.38 | hramrach | LOOP`: have you tried to check the permissions on the file? |
| 16:08.09 | LOOP` | hramrach: on /dev/vboxdrv ? |
| 16:08.13 | hramrach | yes |
| 16:08.18 | LOOP` | now I try |
| 16:08.37 | LOOP` | Oo |
| 16:08.41 | ArthurArchnix | Well, afaik the problem is that the package doesn't conform to a newer version of policy, and it's not being considered until it does. |
| 16:08.49 | LOOP` | permission denied, but it's impossible |
| 16:09.02 | LOOP` | crw-rw---- 1 root vboxusers 10, 63 1 lug 16:34 /dev/vboxdrv |
| 16:09.05 | LOOP` | °_° |
| 16:09.27 | hramrach | LOOP`: try to chown it to yourself to be sure |
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| 16:10.02 | stew | ArthurArchnix: no, its not the policy version, 3.7.3 is fine for lenny |
| 16:10.08 | LOOP` | now I try |
| 16:10.32 | stew | ArthurArchnix: especially since almost all packages which are 3.7.3 compliant are also 3.8.0 compliant |
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| 16:11.11 | LOOP` | maybe I log out and log in |
| 16:11.16 | LOOP` | now I try |
| 16:11.51 | ArthurArchnix | So, if I felt compelled to, would you suggest emailing the maintainer, or debian-release? Or just go buy a sandwhich and chill out for a while, it'll make it into Lenny. |
| 16:12.27 | ArthurArchnix | I'm trying to find some discussion of this on mailing lists, but getting bupkiss so far. |
| 16:12.32 | hramrach | what is at fault when my locks up on resume only if a splash is shown? |
| 16:12.57 | stew | ArthurArchnix: there is nothing the maintainer can do about it, debian-release are the people that can do about it, have you checked that mailing list for any discussion? |
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| 16:13.06 | loop_ | nothing |
| 16:13.17 | LOOP` | often egual error |
| 16:13.35 | hramrach | It resumes with text or graphical console, but not when uspalsh or splashy is shown |
| 16:13.37 | LOOP` | I became crazy |
| 16:13.39 | themill | ArthurArchnix: it has already been discussed. Check the mailing list archive that stew gave you. |
| 16:14.10 | ArthurArchnix | doing that now.. thanks guys |
| 16:14.41 | twobitwork | I just uninstalled compiz and now when I log into gdm it says that my session lasted less than 10 seconds, etc... |
| 16:15.03 | LOOP` | hramrach: crwxrwxrwx 1 loop vboxusers 10, 63 1 lug 16:34 /dev/vboxdrv now is this but the error not change |
| 16:15.12 | twobitwork | my system worked before compiz and I uninstalled it for unrelated reasons, but shouldn't uninstalling the package have set my settings back to use a normal wm? |
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| 16:15.17 | _HansDietae_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4499618/ |
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| 16:15.42 | hramrach | LOOP`: then vbox lies. Try to unload and reload the module, maybe it will help |
| 16:16.41 | LOOP` | now I try |
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| 16:17.36 | ArthurArchnix | themill: are you referring to the one asking that cairo be built against arm so that banshee could enter testing? |
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| 16:22.24 | LOOP` | hramrach: nothing, always the same damned error |
| 16:22.42 | themill | ArthurArchnix: there were three threads I found in May/June about cairo. |
| 16:22.57 | LOOP` | I remove with --purge and reinstall but nothing |
| 16:23.17 | ArthurArchnix | on debian-release? |
| 16:23.19 | themill | thanks, stew. That one's a repeat offender. |
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| 16:23.41 | themill | ArthurArchnix: yes |
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| 16:24.27 | stew | themill: yeah, i see, thanks. from multiple ips, i added a /hilight ... |
| 16:24.50 | themill | Lucky you... |
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| 16:25.21 | stew | #129 pennergame |
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| 16:27.21 | Sertse | ok...now how do I set it so when I open a directory nautilus is on "file browser" form? |
| 16:28.15 | Sertse | with the sidebar and the back forward etc bars? When you open something normally, it doesn't have those...only when you open file browser specifically |
| 16:28.15 | abrotman | instead of spatial stuff? |
| 16:28.21 | abrotman | oh .. that i don't know |
| 16:28.32 | LOOP` | I try to reboot |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | i'm not even sure it can .. you may want to look at xfe |
| 16:28.42 | abrotman | which is more like Windows Explorer |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | !info xfe etch |
| 16:29.14 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-3.2 (etch), Packaged size: 883 kB, Installed size: 2828 kB |
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| 16:30.45 | Sertse | I don't mind replacing it together, just heard is somewhat hard to completely eliminate nautilus. |
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| 16:32.38 | pappanz | don't know what easytag is waiting for in order to be updated in testing. seems bugs are fixed... http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=easytag |
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| 16:34.06 | ArthurArchnix | ok... we'll I've read a lot of stuff I don't understand and can't say I'm any further ahead. Other than that those guys have a difficult job. |
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| 16:34.41 | abrotman | !why is easytag not in testing |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | easytag is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=easytag |
| 16:35.00 | twobitwork | ok... can someone tell me where gdm keeps its list of window managers? I just installed e17 from source and of course it isn't listed as an option in gdm |
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| 16:35.36 | abrotman | /usr/share/sessions/ .. something like that ? |
| 16:35.37 | SamuraiDio | help, my usb mouse, suddenly, becomes to act strange, every click on menus or context menu seens like a double click or mousedown/mouseup (keeping the button pressed for a while, so release), so my clicks just show menus very fast and they just disappear. |
| 16:35.48 | pappanz | abrotman: i see "fixed in NMU" |
| 16:35.56 | abrotman | so it says |
| 16:36.18 | pappanz | abrotman: what does it exactly means? |
| 16:36.23 | abrotman | !nmu |
| 16:36.24 | dpkg | methinks nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 16:36.29 | abrotman | it means it should have been fixed already |
| 16:36.44 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: either the mouse is defective or X tries to use the wrong protocol to speak to the mouse |
| 16:36.48 | odla | if i'm filling out a bug report that is on ssb interfering with ndiswrapper what package should i put? linux-image? |
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| 16:36.58 | twobitwork | abrotman: I see /usr/share/gdm/DefaultSessions .... |
| 16:37.05 | stew | !nmu =~ s,which,who, |
| 16:37.05 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:37.11 | pappanz | abrotman: and what should be the next step in the packet manteinance? |
| 16:37.21 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: if the mouse used to work and you did not change anything it probably broke |
| 16:37.27 | abrotman | whom? :) |
| 16:37.40 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, i think it's using the wrong protocol... i have upgrade debian testing |
| 16:37.44 | abrotman | pappanz: i have no idea what's holding it out of testing .. it appears to be old enough .. and the bug fixed |
| 16:37.47 | SamuraiDio | upgraded* |
| 16:37.49 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: you can always try to unplug and replug it |
| 16:38.04 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, i already tried, also restarting X |
| 16:38.13 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, the problem persists |
| 16:38.26 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, how can i check if i'm using the correct protocol |
| 16:38.45 | abrotman | pappanz: TBH .. it looks like the bug wasn't closed correctly? |
| 16:39.17 | abrotman | pappanz: you could try to contact the maintainer |
| 16:39.37 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: then move xorg.conf away and reconfigure X |
| 16:39.43 | stew | abrotman: no, who, "debian devleloper" is the subject, not hte object |
| 16:39.48 | abrotman | i was kidding |
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| 16:40.05 | pappanz | abrotman: good idea. i'll try. thank you |
| 16:40.06 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: the mouse section should be empty then and the mouse should work |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | stew: my english are not this bad! |
| 16:40.42 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, but i have two mouses, one is the laptop touchpad, and i needs additional configuration |
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| 16:41.07 | stew | abrotman: well, i had to think about whether to use who or whom for a minute before writing it :) |
| 16:41.25 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | stew: we should ask #english to correct the dpkg factoids :) |
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| 16:42.20 | abrotman | oh .. it's gone :( |
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| 16:42.28 | abrotman | ah .. ##english |
| 16:42.53 | themill | They'd get stuck on the first one .... |
| 16:43.28 | twobitwork | abrotman: any other ideas where the sessions might be? or maybe something to search for? is there a common filename in which the list is kept? |
| 16:43.33 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: I do not use such configuration but that might be the root of the problem. X may have the different mice confused |
| 16:43.49 | SamuraiDio | ok, i'll try |
| 16:43.52 | SamuraiDio | thanks |
| 16:44.05 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: what are your mouse sections? |
| 16:44.14 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.30 | abrotman | twobitwork: /usr/share/xsessions/ ? |
| 16:44.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:45.09 | twobitwork | abrotman: ahh, of course... sorry, I should have tried that |
| 16:45.19 | scatterp | hi i am trying to install kismet its asking for libncurses or libcurses im installing from the tar.gz since the apt-get version is to old how can i get one of these 2 packages ? |
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| 16:45.38 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, moment... |
| 16:45.48 | Bushmills | usually a module can't be removed when in use. but i notice that psmouse can, while in X, with mouse connected and in use. design? feature? |
| 16:45.57 | pappanz | well, i'll try asking another question. anyone experienced in Dia? i can't figure out how to draw repression/inhibition arrows like this: ----| |
| 16:46.00 | LOOP` | nothing, I will became crazy for resolve this problem |
| 16:46.01 | LOOP` | :( |
| 16:46.33 | stoned | don't worry |
| 16:46.38 | stoned | they have pills for crazy people |
| 16:46.41 | stoned | fix you right up |
| 16:46.42 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: mine were probably generated by the X configuration scripts anyway |
| 16:47.08 | hramrach | what's the package to reconfigure X? xserver-xorg? |
| 16:47.13 | stoned | !drxx |
| 16:47.14 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 16:47.42 | LOOP` | stoned: tnx :P |
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| 16:51.33 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, i think that the protocol is wrong, strang that it worked until yesterday. here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f43565ef9 |
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| 16:52.19 | hramrach | SamuraiDio: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 16:52.46 | hramrach | It genereates a working file for me, works even when I connect an USB mouse |
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| 16:53.06 | SamuraiDio | hramrach, i'll try, thanks |
| 16:53.29 | odla | grub2 no longer uses menu.lst right? if that's the case how can i edit the menu entries? |
| 16:53.49 | hramrach | odla: it uses something like grub.conf |
| 16:54.15 | MayerEugen | guys any howtos how to use cacert server certs on my debian box as cert-sign ? |
| 16:55.12 | hramrach | MayerEugen: you may want to have a look at an apache SSL howto |
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| 16:55.48 | MayerEugen | hramrach: hmm ok, but i want that for exim and stuff to. But i guess that wont differ, as importing the CA once is enaugh |
| 16:55.58 | odla | hramrach: i can't find a grub.conf ... do you know where that is? |
| 16:55.59 | MayerEugen | hramrach: oyu got a link to that howto ? |
| 16:56.10 | MayerEugen | omry: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:56.11 | blubberdiblub | odla: /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but you should rather create a little script in /etc/grub.d/ that outputs your custum menu entries. since the /boot/grub/grub.cfg gets rebuilt each time update-grub is run |
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| 16:56.50 | odla | blubberdiblub: thanks |
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| 16:57.12 | hramrach | MayerEugen: unfotuantely I don't. there are a few on the web but I don't have a link at hand |
| 16:57.29 | MayerEugen | hramrach: thank you anyway |
| 16:58.19 | hramrach | MayerEugen: the howtos ususally deal with self-signed certs but you can get an idea how the certs are used |
| 17:00.04 | blubberdiblub | odla: if you want your menu entries to appear before the automatically generated ones, name your script like 07_YourScriptsName for example |
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| 17:01.43 | dFence | can i have the dummies guide for port-forwarding via nat/iptables pleaaaase -_- |
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| 17:02.21 | dFence | me -> router (port 88) -> TARGET!!! (port 80) |
| 17:02.39 | hramrach | dFence: yes, you can if you search the web |
| 17:02.46 | dFence | ... |
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| 17:05.49 | stew | dFence: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 88 -j DNAT --to 5.6.7.8:80 ; this says, if the packet is going to 1.2.3.4:88 rewrite the destination to instead be 5.6.7.8:80 |
| 17:06.07 | dFence | stew: THANKS! |
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| 17:06.30 | stew | dFence: uhh, except that should be PREROUTING, not POSTROUTING, iirc |
| 17:06.32 | xuser | What would be the device name for a usb webcam? |
| 17:06.42 | stew | xuser: /dev/video0? |
| 17:07.13 | xuser | stew: K, let me check. |
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| 17:09.05 | xuser | stew: yes :) |
| 17:09.05 | robert__ | hallo |
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| 17:10.55 | xuser | now I just need to get a image,is all yellow :/ |
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| 17:12.46 | xuser | With what app can you test a webcam? |
| 17:12.49 | odla | is there a reason that iceweasel 3.0 hasn't been updated from rc2 to the stable release? |
| 17:13.39 | odla | xuser: ekiga, kopete, cheese, etc ... |
| 17:13.40 | stew | odla: yes, there are no changes that would affect debian |
| 17:13.57 | odla | stew: thanks :) |
| 17:14.00 | rsk | where can i get weasel 3? |
| 17:14.04 | rsk | i'm using lenny |
| 17:14.07 | odla | rsk: you can get it from sid |
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| 17:14.18 | stew | !iceweasel3 |
| 17:14.19 | dpkg | [ff3] just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 17:14.20 | rsk | mkay |
| 17:14.21 | odla | rsk: i've been using it and it works fine |
| 17:14.32 | xuser | odla: something something simple, I'm not running gnome/kde |
| 17:14.41 | tarzeau | xuser: amsn |
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| 17:14.58 | stew | xuser: mplayer /dev/video0 ? |
| 17:15.15 | rsk | hm apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel <- dosen't work |
| 17:15.20 | rsk | says iceweasel is already the newest version. |
| 17:15.30 | rsk | and i have ice 2.0.0.14 |
| 17:15.39 | odla | rsk: do you have sid in your sources.lst :) |
| 17:15.43 | rsk | nope |
| 17:15.50 | odla | rsk: there you go :) |
| 17:15.54 | odla | rsk: you need to add a sid line |
| 17:15.56 | magyar | hi, how stable is grub2 and has amyone managed to dual boot with it? |
| 17:16.05 | tarzeau | magyar: it worked for me |
| 17:16.12 | tarzeau | magyar: there's #grub |
| 17:16.14 | rsk | mkay but then i can't use apt-get upgrade without getting a sid system.. |
| 17:16.15 | odla | magyar: works here too |
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| 17:16.28 | odla | !tell rsk about mixed system |
| 17:17.16 | odla | rsk: basically just set up /etc/apt/apt.conf to point to testing by default by adding a line that says APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 17:17.30 | magyar | tarzeau: odla, i had grub dual booting (windows /dev/sda linux /dev/sdb) apperently dual boot is not possible with such configuration |
| 17:17.34 | blubberdiblub | magyar, it still has some issues, but it's getting better each day. for "usual" setups it should work fine |
| 17:17.34 | xuser | tarzeau: stew: kk |
| 17:17.42 | SamuraiDio | FF/Iceweasel 3.0 is already wide used? |
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| 17:18.07 | odla | rsk: alternative you could just add that sid line ... run apt-get install -t sid iceweasel and then comment it out |
| 17:18.10 | tarzeau | SamuraiDio: among the ff users, yeah i'd say quite a lot already have it |
| 17:18.15 | maligor | SamuraiDio, says 27 million downloads on some ff statistics page |
| 17:18.27 | SamuraiDio | hmm... |
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| 17:18.29 | tarzeau | maligor: i did download it too, but it doesn't work (on debian etch) |
| 17:18.31 | blubberdiblub | magyar: grub2 can boot windows, and dos, if you want |
| 17:18.33 | odla | SamuraiDio: it's a vast improvement from 2.0 as far as i can tell |
| 17:18.38 | rsk | i'm kinda intressted to upgrading to sid, is there any +unstable channel ? |
| 17:18.44 | tarzeau | odla: still doesn't beat safari nor ie |
| 17:18.45 | odla | rsk: nope |
| 17:18.52 | odla | tarzeau: or konqueror imo |
| 17:18.58 | tarzeau | odla: safari is much more resource friendlier and faster, ie can do animated mouse cursors |
| 17:19.11 | tarzeau | odla: i agree, konqueror > ff |
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| 17:19.38 | martian67 | ff with extentions > * |
| 17:19.42 | martian67 | beats everything |
| 17:19.43 | maligor | safari is like stepping back to 1990 of browsers |
| 17:19.44 | martian67 | hands down |
| 17:19.58 | maligor | it's very bare bones, and propetiary |
| 17:20.00 | tarzeau | martian67: bullshit, ff can't even display simple text files |
| 17:20.02 | martian67 | it can do everything any other browser can |
| 17:20.04 | martian67 | and much more |
| 17:20.07 | odla | rsk: if you want sid with support your best bet is #sidux ... but in my experience if you know what you're doing then sid isn't that crazy |
| 17:20.08 | hramrach | there are many new bugs in ff3 but still ff is the only usable browser |
| 17:20.08 | tarzeau | martian67: or can you pipe html to it? |
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| 17:20.13 | SamuraiDio | odla, but will most ff extensions work on it? |
| 17:20.14 | martian67 | tarzeau: i dont know what build you are using? |
| 17:20.18 | tarzeau | martian67: can you render a page grepped? |
| 17:20.19 | odla | SamuraiDio: yup |
| 17:20.21 | blubberdiblub | browser war :P |
| 17:20.25 | SamuraiDio | hmm.. |
| 17:20.26 | tarzeau | martian67: all mozilla software is crap |
| 17:20.29 | odla | !browser war |
| 17:20.30 | magyar | blubberdiblub: ghen I upgraded to grub2 the chainloader is no longer on the menu and I mind you grub2 is totally different from grub. How can i load windows if its not on the menu? |
| 17:20.34 | martian67 | tarzeau: why wouldnt I just use a tool thats appropriate |
| 17:20.37 | martian67 | like links? |
| 17:20.49 | tarzeau | martian67: a tool for what? |
| 17:21.07 | tarzeau | martian67: why can't firefox just start a tool that displays ascii text, when it can't itself |
| 17:21.08 | dcnoye | how do i purge a package that gives me this error ? E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:21.10 | maligor | magyar, I guess it doesn't autodetect it |
| 17:21.11 | blubberdiblub | magyar: chainloading works for me. try installing os-prober as well if you haven't done already and rerun update-grub |
| 17:21.26 | martian67 | tarzeau: I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 17:21.34 | martian67 | my firefox displays text just fine |
| 17:21.53 | odla | if i sent a bug to package: linux-image with that get sorted out or should i submit a new one to the actual linux-image-* |
| 17:21.54 | martian67 | could be some kind of brain dead debian modifcation |
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| 17:22.08 | maligor | tarzeau, statements like that are only attempts at drawing flamewars |
| 17:22.12 | maligor | please refrain from them |
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| 17:22.21 | tarzeau | maligor: no just let me proove it... |
| 17:22.28 | maligor | prove first, dude |
| 17:22.36 | maligor | and I doubt people here are all that interested anyway |
| 17:22.46 | maligor | it's a support channel not #browserwar |
| 17:22.48 | goto10 | hi, i tried the blackdown jre1.4 and their mozilla plugin for the amd64., cause i couldnt find one for sun. It is quite unstable. Is there maybe another java sun mozilla plugin solution for my 64 bit system ? |
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| 17:23.08 | stew | goto10: no |
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| 17:23.18 | chops | tarzeau: My iceweasel starts 'less' in X's controlling terminal (which actually is a Debian modification, to xulrunner), which is obviously incorrect. |
| 17:23.21 | maligor | goto10, only openjdk has that |
| 17:23.23 | martian67 | tarzeau: perhaps the server you are using is having an issue with properly sending out MIME types |
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| 17:23.28 | maligor | and it's not really ready for prime time |
| 17:23.28 | magyar | blubberdiblub: that is very neat, thank you |
| 17:23.32 | hramrach | tarzeau: show ma piece of software that is not crap. It's not like there is none at all but you will have to search a lot |
| 17:23.34 | chops | tarzeau: But according to the BTS it's been fixed in a more recent version. |
| 17:23.41 | martian67 | tarzeau: and your choice browser is simply ignoring mime types |
| 17:23.48 | martian67 | which is NOT standards compliant |
| 17:23.48 | blubberdiblub | magyar, you're welcome |
| 17:24.00 | grml | how can i find out which kind of filesystem resides on a given partition? |
| 17:24.04 | grml | oh.. |
| 17:24.20 | tarzeau | berzerka: fdisk -l ? |
| 17:24.35 | maligor | fdisk only shows partition tables |
| 17:24.40 | abrotman | !grml |
| 17:24.40 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/, or #grml @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:24.43 | goto10 | maligor. is it possible to use the 32bit jre and plugin ? |
| 17:24.44 | stew | goto10: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 17:24.46 | stew | err |
| 17:24.55 | stew | grml: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 17:25.03 | berzerka | tarzeau: will give me the partition type. how can i differentiate ext2 and ext3? |
| 17:25.13 | berzerka | tarzeau: has grub built-in support for both? |
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| 17:25.17 | tarzeau | berzerka: by checking /etc/fstab |
| 17:25.24 | martian67 | berzerka: it is both forwards and backwards compatable |
| 17:25.26 | maligor | goto10, yes, with nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser |
| 17:25.29 | martian67 | EXT3 is EXT2 |
| 17:25.30 | tarzeau | berzerka: it's the same, just one writes some stuff into a file |
| 17:25.40 | chops | berzerka: ext3 are basically the exact same on-disk |
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| 17:25.43 | martian67 | both can be mounted as the other |
| 17:25.45 | chops | berzerka: Er ext2 and ext3 |
| 17:25.58 | magyar | blubberdiblub: grub had a "vga=" I looked through some documentation on grub2 site and try following the instructions but without any luck. Do you use framebuffer at boot? |
| 17:26.00 | berzerka | alright, the actual question would be: i don't need an initrd to have an ext3 root fs. |
| 17:26.14 | berzerka | erm, with a question mark behind :) |
| 17:26.23 | martian67 | berzerka: sure, if support is built into the kernel |
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| 17:26.34 | stew | berzerka: it depends on whether or not your ext3 driver and the driver for the hard drive controller are built in |
| 17:26.37 | chops | berzerka: With a Debian kernel, you do. With a hand-compiled kernel, it depends on whether you compile ext3 in or not. |
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| 17:26.48 | maligor | I guess only lvm would require a initrd |
| 17:26.50 | infinity1 | is there a stable snapshotting filesystem for linux? |
| 17:26.58 | rsk | infinity1: xfs afaik |
| 17:27.09 | martian67 | infinity1: EXT-COW |
| 17:27.19 | infinity1 | xfs has snapshots? |
| 17:27.29 | berzerka | i have everything compiled into the kernel... for lvm i still need an initrd then? even if /boot (the location of the kernel) is not on lvm? |
| 17:27.33 | blubberdiblub | magyar: i don't. but you can easily add the "vga=whatever" option by editing the line starting with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub and rerunning update-grub. make it look like GRUB_CMDLINE="vga=1" for instance |
| 17:27.49 | infinity1 | martian67: ext-cow in google doesn't show anything |
| 17:27.55 | stew | berzerka: you need an initrd if / is on lvm, becuase you need a way to start lvm before you can mount / |
| 17:28.07 | blubberdiblub | magyar: sorry, i meant GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=1" |
| 17:28.13 | berzerka | stew: alright, that's the case here.. |
| 17:28.22 | infinity1 | rsk: xfs doesn't have snapshots |
| 17:28.31 | martian67 | infinity1: http://www.ext3cow.com/Welcome.html |
| 17:28.34 | rsk | infinity1: somewhat.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Snapshots but it's extremly stable |
| 17:28.37 | berzerka | stew: which modules do i need specifically? will dm-mod + the fs module (ext3) do? |
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| 17:29.11 | berzerka | stew: i know, kernel-package will do all this for me automagically, but i am trying to get a grip on how things work.. |
| 17:29.15 | stew | berzerka: and your ide/scsi/sata controller. but this should all be done for you automatically |
| 17:29.15 | blubberdiblub | magyar, if you're using framebuffer, you can add the options to your framebuffer module in that line instead, of course |
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| 17:29.24 | infinity1 | rsk: "XFS does not provide direct support for snapshots" |
| 17:29.33 | stew | berzerka: and your initrd has to contain the userspace lvm programs like vgchange |
| 17:29.49 | berzerka | stew: alright. will mkinitramfs include these automatically? |
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| 17:30.03 | goto10 | maligor, where can i find nspluginwrapper, apt-get install nspluginwrapper doenst work ? |
| 17:30.08 | stew | berzerka: if it detects that they are needed |
| 17:30.11 | infinity1 | martian67: this cow stuff looks interesting |
| 17:30.17 | infinity1 | martian67: who uses it in prodcution? |
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| 17:30.24 | martian67 | infinity1: i dont know |
| 17:30.36 | infinity1 | martian67: uh oh :) |
| 17:30.36 | berzerka | stew: okay then, thanks. |
| 17:30.48 | maligor | goto10, etch? |
| 17:30.55 | goto10 | maligor, yes |
| 17:31.04 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 17:31.05 | maligor | I guess there's one in backports.org |
| 17:31.34 | maligor | it's not entirely stable always, so be warned :P |
| 17:31.39 | stew | does sun java work in nspluginwrapper? |
| 17:31.51 | maligor | stew, never tried, I don't see why not |
| 17:31.59 | martian67 | infinity1: its not a major structural change |
| 17:32.00 | goto10 | stew, i tell you if it works. |
| 17:32.11 | martian67 | its simply not recycling inodes |
| 17:32.33 | infinity1 | martian67: yea, seems so. i'm reading about it on the website. |
| 17:32.50 | infinity1 | martian67: not sure i'd entrust our 4 tb fileserver to it though |
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| 17:33.22 | chops | infinity1: If you have 4 TB, you almost certainly want LVM anyway, and LVM provides snapshots |
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| 17:33.28 | infinity1 | martian67: its really pathetic linux doesn't have a snapshotting filesystem that is mainstream |
| 17:33.43 | martian67 | infinity1: like chops said LVM provides it |
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| 17:33.45 | infinity1 | chops: LVM snapshots suck in my opinion |
| 17:33.46 | martian67 | on any filesystem |
| 17:33.53 | themill | infinity1: submit patches. |
| 17:34.02 | chops | infinity1: It's personally disgusting to me that you haven't coded support for ext3 snapshots and submitted them yet. |
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| 17:34.10 | infinity1 | chops: heh |
| 17:34.16 | chops | infinity1: See? It works both ways :-) |
| 17:34.39 | infinity1 | chops: i get your point. but freaking apple is surpassing linux. geez |
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| 17:34.51 | bokey | not necessarily. if infinity1 is a user and not a friggin developer, he has no way to write a patch. |
| 17:35.06 | infinity1 | bokey: i can write hellow world in C !!! |
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| 17:35.14 | bokey | whatever |
| 17:35.29 | bokey | just wrote what i thought is _logical_ |
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| 17:35.48 | martian67 | bokey: but its not anyones responsbillity to write it for him |
| 17:36.08 | chops | infinity1: And Windows's UI is more polished-looking, and QNX is more stable, and OpenBSD is more secure. There are a lot of areas where other OSes surpass Linux; I'm not sure how you went from that to "pathetic". |
| 17:36.11 | bokey | martian67: he didn't say anyone else to write for him. |
| 17:36.17 | infinity1 | martian67: true. i can only critizise. i do as much as i can as a user/sysadmin |
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| 17:36.24 | martian67 | he implied it pretty strongly |
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| 17:36.32 | bokey | where? |
| 17:36.37 | bokey | he merely complained that it's not good enough for him |
| 17:36.41 | bokey | him/her |
| 17:36.45 | magyar | blubberdiblub: thanks, will try |
| 17:37.03 | netcrash | VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) <- Motives for this error ( the kernel does not recognise the file system ) |
| 17:37.06 | chops | infinity1: FWIW, JFS has snapshots. I'd recommend ext3+LVM over JFS, though. |
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| 17:37.10 | infinity1 | hmm ..does freebsd have versioning/snapshotting filesystems? |
| 17:37.27 | infinity1 | chops: then i guess jfs is out of the question :) |
| 17:37.34 | SamuraiDio | is there some safe way to have both Iceweasel 3 and Iceweasel 2 installed? |
| 17:37.35 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: what's the problem with lvm snapshots? |
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| 17:37.58 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: you have to have multiple running snapshots to get the effects of filesystem snapshots |
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| 17:38.07 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: and you waste a ton of disk space |
| 17:38.10 | martian67 | infinity1: i suggest you strongly check out EXT3cow |
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| 17:38.18 | martian67 | personally ive had nothing but success with it |
| 17:38.30 | martian67 | but, its your perogative i guess |
| 17:38.33 | infinity1 | martian67: that sounds like the best thing short of making the fileserver solaris or something else |
| 17:38.56 | chops | infinity1: What are you using the snapshots for? |
| 17:39.05 | infinity1 | martian67: how much space you have used on extcow? and horror stories? |
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| 17:39.09 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: uh... LVM snapshots only track the blocks which change |
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| 17:39.18 | infinity1 | chops: filesystem snapshots so users can get older files back |
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| 17:39.37 | martian67 | infinity1: its very configurable |
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| 17:39.42 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: so while they may waste more space than filesystem snapshots because it's block based, it's not going to waste much. |
| 17:39.49 | chops | dondelelcaro: He's saying that the fact that the snapshots grow as usage continues is a deal-breaker for him, it sounds like |
| 17:40.01 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: that and performance will probably kill the server |
| 17:40.05 | chops | dondelelcaro: Because if you have 5 snapshots and write 1 blocks to the main disk, each snapshot grows by one block |
| 17:40.12 | martian67 | infinity1: ive disabled it on large media directories |
| 17:40.20 | infinity1 | chops: yep |
| 17:41.01 | martian67 | infinity1: ext3 being Block based rather than image based like lvm |
| 17:41.06 | martian67 | is a big plus |
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| 17:41.11 | infinity1 | lvm snaps have their use, but not for restoring user files on busy servers. |
| 17:41.19 | chops | infinity1: nod |
| 17:41.56 | abrotman | STEW!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:41.56 | martian67 | infinity1: : its not accually any more IO intensive |
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| 17:41.56 | martian67 | but it is slightly more processor intensive |
| 17:41.56 | infinity1 | martian67: extcow? |
| 17:41.57 | martian67 | yes |
| 17:41.57 | dondelelcaro | I thought they had written single copy on write snapshot support |
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| 17:42.31 | infinity1 | martian67: yea. extcow sounds possible. |
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| 17:42.49 | martian67 | infinity1: its very nice because its pretty seamless to the enduser |
| 17:42.50 | infinity1 | we should all march through the Sun campus and scream ZFS FOR LINUX |
| 17:42.58 | infinity1 | that's my contribution :) |
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| 17:43.03 | martian67 | infinity1: wont ever happen for sun willingly |
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| 17:43.12 | MayerEugen | which package includes csr / CSRGenerator ? |
| 17:43.13 | martian67 | they try to use linux like an entry level product |
| 17:43.52 | martian67 | so you can upgrade to solaris for "serious work" |
| 17:43.57 | infinity1 | i thought they were going to EOL solaris at one point. |
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| 17:44.07 | SamuraiDio | shit, i closed xchat by mistake |
| 17:44.12 | infinity1 | seems they have found an appropriate license to save their asses |
| 17:44.13 | SamuraiDio | well, again... |
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| 17:44.35 | SamuraiDio | is there a safe way to habe both Iceweasel 2.0 and 3.0 installed? |
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| 17:45.51 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: why would you? |
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| 17:46.16 | infinity1 | damn splits |
| 17:46.18 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: because 3.0 is still sort of "new" :) |
| 17:46.29 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i'm a web developer |
| 17:46.40 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: so? |
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| 17:46.40 | LOOP` | where is the dir of debian lenny kernel? |
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| 17:46.46 | abrotman | /boot/ |
| 17:46.53 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: he probably wants a stable and beta |
| 17:46.55 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i need several render engines for testing pourposes |
| 17:47.08 | SamuraiDio | XTZGZoReX, yep |
| 17:47.08 | abrotman | they're both as stable as firefox/iceweasel can be |
| 17:47.14 | martian67 | infinity1: do some trial runs with ext3cow on a test server |
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| 17:47.19 | martian67 | I promise you will be impressed |
| 17:47.20 | martian67 | :) |
| 17:47.33 | stew_ | SamuraiDio: you'd have to compile at least one from source |
| 17:47.44 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: you could install one in a different user's home dir? i would imagine if you try to use them both with the same user, it will stomp all over settings |
| 17:47.50 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: how so? i'd imagine that 2.0 is more stable than 3.0.. which just recently went out of RC |
| 17:47.55 | abrotman | they're both likely going to use .mozilla |
| 17:47.58 | SamuraiDio | stew, sure, that was what i was planning |
| 17:48.00 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: have you used them both ? |
| 17:48.02 | bolt | thinking of trying out lvm when I'm setting up this new server... just wondering about one thing: if a filesystem on an lvm fucks up, can you use regular recovery tools to find and extract files? |
| 17:48.11 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: yes, i used to run 2.0, im on 3.0 now |
| 17:48.22 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: they're both just as stable .. |
| 17:48.27 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, thats not a problem. i can rhun then on diferent profiles |
| 17:48.31 | SamuraiDio | run* |
| 17:48.37 | LOOP` | abrotman: you talk with me? |
| 17:48.37 | stew | bolt: yes, lvm will provide normal block devices that behave just like a physical volume |
| 17:48.37 | LOOP` | <abrotman> /boot/ |
| 17:48.38 | abrotman | from my expereience .. same sites crash them both |
| 17:48.43 | abrotman | LOOP`: yes |
| 17:48.43 | SamuraiDio | jsut i would preffer not to compile... |
| 17:48.43 | goto10 | maligor, i have installed nspluginwrapper. Where do i get now the 32 bit sun-java-plugin and how can i install it with nspluginwrapper ? |
| 17:48.48 | SamuraiDio | just* |
| 17:49.03 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: then you could install ff3 from source/exe/wathever .. and put it in /usr/local/ perhaps |
| 17:49.12 | LOOP` | is that vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 ? |
| 17:49.19 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: seems a bit overkill for a chroot |
| 17:49.33 | maligor | goto10: ia32-sun-java5-bin? |
| 17:50.06 | SamuraiDio | think i will just download the i386 binaries from mozilla.com and throw then into my 32bit chroot |
| 17:50.34 | LOOP` | I don't explore any of the file in /boot/ they aren't dir |
| 17:50.35 | maligor | /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/jre/plugin/i386/ |
| 17:50.43 | maligor | once you have installed it |
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| 17:51.08 | LOOP` | but when I try to compile that file it's says to try cp /boot/config-`uname -r` <your kernel dir>/.config |
| 17:51.08 | LOOP` | cd <your kernel dir> |
| 17:51.08 | LOOP` | make all modules_install install |
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| 17:51.12 | goto10 | maligor, wasnt there an extra mozilla-plugin in the 32 bit etch tree ? |
| 17:51.13 | LOOP` | any idea? |
| 17:51.25 | steven__ | anyone here use puppet with debian ? |
| 17:51.36 | stew | LOOP`: why are you trying to compile a kernel? |
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| 17:51.55 | maligor | goto10, well.. I just looked up the file listing in that package and it had the plugin |
| 17:51.56 | bolt | stew: thanks |
| 17:51.58 | stew | LOOP`: did you install a linux-source package? |
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| 17:52.13 | LOOP` | stew: I don't try to compile kernel, I try to compile more driver for my DVB-T |
| 17:52.24 | LOOP` | yes stew |
| 17:52.51 | maligor | goto10, and man nspluginwrapper how to use it ;) |
| 17:53.05 | LOOP` | but when I try to compile driver It says that the kernel source aren't installed or it's not complete |
| 17:53.28 | goto10 | maligor, ok i try ;) |
| 17:53.30 | MayerEugen | sorry guys, i was away and cant finde the post. Where is thc CSRGenerator / csr package included? |
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| 17:54.45 | stew | LOOP`: you probably don't need kernel source, but kernel headers: "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 17:55.58 | LOOP` | stew: kernel header are installed |
| 17:56.41 | LOOP` | asus:/boot# apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:56.42 | LOOP` | Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto |
| 17:56.42 | LOOP` | Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso |
| 17:56.42 | LOOP` | Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto |
| 17:56.42 | LOOP` | linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 è già alla versione più recente. |
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| 17:56.56 | LOOP` | sorry |
| 17:56.57 | LOOP` | :P |
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| 17:57.24 | chops | LOOP`: Can you pastebin the full output when you try to compile the driver? |
| 17:57.41 | LOOP` | chops: wait |
| 17:58.02 | SamuraiDio | LOOP`, two things... first, change your language to standart english (export LC_ALL=C), then paste your output to a pastebin |
| 17:58.27 | stew | LOOP`: then you should be able to point whatever is looking for configured kernel sources at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:58.34 | LOOP` | ok |
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| 17:59.40 | LOOP` | chops: http://phpfi.com/328459 |
| 17:59.58 | netcrash | Has anyone here ever installed xen on debian that can give me a small help .? |
| 18:01.02 | LOOP` | stew: I not understand |
| 18:01.15 | LOOP` | what I do in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ? |
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| 18:01.36 | kienerii_ | netcrash, just ask your question |
| 18:01.55 | stew | LOOP`: you are trying to compile something. it is looking for configured kernel sources. the location of your configured kernel sources is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 18:02.21 | stew | LOOP`: well its not sources, but headers, but it should be enough to compile an out-of-tree module |
| 18:02.24 | hramrach | how do you build a kernel package? |
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| 18:02.52 | stew | hramrach: /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
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| 18:03.01 | hramrach | Since kernel-package is deprecated and broken .. |
| 18:03.04 | LOOP` | I don't compile a kernel package |
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| 18:03.16 | LOOP` | I must compile drivers for DVB-T |
| 18:03.19 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:04.12 | DexterF | as of today kopete won't log me into my icq account anymore, server says "client too old", guess they changed the protocol. Any workaround? kde 3.5.7 from backports |
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| 18:04.46 | LOOP` | stew: impossible, because when I try to compile It's suggest that: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` <your kernel dir>/.config |
| 18:04.46 | LOOP` | cd <your kernel dir> |
| 18:04.46 | LOOP` | make all modules_install install . I understand .Config is a dir |
| 18:04.48 | chops | LOOP`: I don't see any video-buf.h in current sid |
| 18:05.03 | chops | LOOP`: I notice this output: VIDEO_PLANB: Requires at least kernel 2.6.99 |
| 18:05.07 | chops | LOOP`: :-/ |
| 18:05.12 | hramrach | stew: ok, probably deconfiguring xen should help according to #480436 |
| 18:05.20 | LOOP` | 2.6.99 |
| 18:05.22 | LOOP` | :| |
| 18:05.26 | hramrach | but that mantra is not going to work |
| 18:06.00 | stew | hramrach: yes, there are problems with xen and make-kpkg |
| 18:06.08 | stew | LOOP`: then you need to compile a kernel first, /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 18:06.42 | LOOP` | compile this kernel 2.6.99 or mine? |
| 18:07.16 | stew | LOOP`: 2.6.99 doesn't exist |
| 18:07.22 | hramrach | and xen is configured in the Debian kernel config .. |
| 18:07.54 | LOOP` | in fact |
| 18:07.56 | LOOP` | :( |
| 18:08.28 | LOOP` | how I compile my kernel? |
| 18:08.30 | kienerii_ | DexterF, just wait a few hours ;-) |
| 18:09.05 | stew | LOOP`: the recommended way to compile a kernel is: /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 18:09.19 | stew | LOOP`: exactly which drivers are you trying to compile? |
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| 18:10.18 | stew | LOOP`: are you sure they haven't been either added to the main kernel already, or maybe they have been packaged into a -source package |
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| 18:10.38 | LOOP` | v4l is the name of drivers |
| 18:12.02 | LOOP` | I don't know |
| 18:12.14 | stew | LOOP`: v4l should alredy be in your kernel, you can verify this by running "grep V4L /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 18:12.42 | LOOP` | loop@asus:~$ grep V4L /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:12.42 | LOOP` | CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y |
| 18:12.42 | LOOP` | CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y |
| 18:12.42 | LOOP` | CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y |
| 18:12.42 | LOOP` | CONFIG_V4L_USB_DRIVERS=y |
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| 18:12.47 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have two dhcp servers on the same subnet which are not aware of one another? I would like to configure a single host to use one dhcp server, while all others use the main dhcp server. |
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| 18:12.52 | LOOP` | sorry another time |
| 18:13.05 | LOOP` | there is but my DVB-T do not work |
| 18:13.07 | LOOP` | bho |
| 18:13.30 | infinity1 | n3kl: sure. i alaways have 2 dhcp servers |
| 18:13.38 | LOOP` | now I go to dinner |
| 18:13.52 | LOOP` | thanks at all that help me |
| 18:13.55 | n3kl | infinity1: but not for fail over I mean. |
| 18:14.00 | LOOP` | very tnx |
| 18:14.02 | LOOP` | :D |
| 18:14.06 | LOOP` | bye |
| 18:14.14 | hramrach | n3kl: theoretically yes but you should be careful. Look at the authoritative option |
| 18:14.25 | infinity1 | n3kl: just set the up the same but different ranges |
| 18:14.43 | n3kl | My thought is that which ever one responds first will be the one to to hand out the address |
| 18:14.53 | infinity1 | yep\ |
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| 18:15.40 | n3kl | but the second dhcp server, will only have a hardware ethernet address specification for a single host, so I am hoping that if all other machines on teh network do not get an address from this machine because they do not have the correct mac, then they will boot the other dhcp server |
| 18:15.42 | stew | n3kl: you can use dhclient -s 1.2.3.4 to query a specific server, if that helps |
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| 18:16.03 | n3kl | stew: its got to be backgrounded |
| 18:16.09 | n3kl | stew: automatic |
| 18:16.31 | n3kl | I have a user setting up a rouge dhcp server so that he can customize his own pxe environment |
| 18:17.46 | hramrach | n3kl: you can tell your dhcp server to be authoritative and nak anything that does not get an address from you ;-) |
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| 18:19.12 | n3kl | hramrach: I am pretty sure that the dhcp server is already authoritative, but what is to stop a machine from booting the rouge dhcp server? |
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| 18:24.33 | chops | n3kl: You should not have 2 DHCP servers on the same subnet if it can be at all avoided. You might try telling the "rogue" to configure his server not to talk to any machine except the specific MAC addresses he knows he needs to use for netbooting. |
| 18:24.51 | stew | or put him on a vlan |
| 18:25.07 | MayerEugen | i have sigend a certificate by cacert, included them into exim, imported the root cert too thunderbird / and the revocation list, but i still get a "cert is maybe not valid" when sending a mail ( i just have to confirm ). Any ideas? |
| 18:25.14 | peterrooney | n3kl: iirc, it's possible to have dchp conf file reject certain address ranges... |
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| 18:27.26 | hramrach | MayerEugen: it should say the reason the cert is not valid. If it does not blame TB |
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| 18:28.40 | MayerEugen | hramrach: i did it like it was descibed in the howto, used the csr script to generate priv / public key, used the cacert.org page to signe the scr, saved that as a file ans using this file as a certificate. Is that correct ? |
| 18:29.32 | hramrach | MayerEugen: I don't have any idea. however, ThunderBird should say why it beleives the cert is not correct or go away |
| 18:29.47 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:30.19 | MayerEugen | hramrach: it says, i might be compromised |
| 18:30.21 | Posterdati | a question... debian for amd64 follows the same updates as the others, like debian i386? |
| 18:30.29 | dondelelcaro | Posterdati: yes. |
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| 18:30.36 | dondelelcaro | Posterdati: all of our release architectures do, in fact. |
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| 18:30.52 | Posterdati | dondelelcaro: ok, tx |
| 18:30.56 | MayerEugen | hramrach: looking at the cert detais, it all looks good. Root cert is CA cert sign authority |
| 18:31.33 | hramrach | MayerEugen: then perhaps Thunderbird says that any cert might be invalid? |
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| 18:32.54 | hramrach | If it does not say any reason it dislike particular bit pattern (as certs do not come colored) or whatever, and you will never know how to fix that |
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| 18:33.08 | greeg | hi gang. |
| 18:33.23 | greeg | im looking for a package in apt for iceweasle to have jre. so i can play java games. |
| 18:33.56 | hramrach | greeg: use non-free |
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| 18:34.14 | themill | dpkg: tell greeg about install java |
| 18:34.42 | greeg | this is a fresh installation of Debian. im assuming it doesent come with non-free by default. correct? |
| 18:34.59 | _ZeuZ_ | O_o' |
| 18:35.11 | themill | greeg: correct. You need to add it to your sources.list |
| 18:35.13 | greeg | i'll google |
| 18:35.47 | greeg | is backports too a repo that can be added to sources.list ? |
| 18:35.55 | hramrach | yes |
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| 18:36.39 | netcrash | Hello again , I need to specify to debian on boot to load support for reiserfs , how can I do this ? ( just add reiserfs ) ? |
| 18:36.46 | greeg | thx |
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| 18:37.43 | hramrach | netcrash: probably with an initramfs hook |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | netcrash: you shouldn't have to specify that |
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| 18:38.11 | hramrach | yes, initrams should do it automagically if your / is reiserfs |
| 18:38.21 | hramrach | *update-initramfs |
| 18:38.26 | abrotman | it might even be compiled in |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | eh .. it is a module |
| 18:39.10 | wols_ | how does initramfs-tools decide what to put in the initrd exactly? |
| 18:39.14 | wols_ | where are those hooks? |
| 18:39.35 | hramrach | /usr/share/initramfs/hooks? |
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| 18:39.49 | hramrach | and possibly in /etc somewhere as well |
| 18:39.57 | abrotman | /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 18:40.27 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_|_Work: can you stop changing nicks all the time? |
| 18:42.00 | netcrash | abrotman: hramrach I'm using a xen built kernel in from the sources apt , This initram is being used to boot the system OS dom0 and works fine ... |
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| 18:42.07 | _ZeuZ_|_Work | abrotman, sorry, it's just that Estudiando is too much for the accepted lenght xD |
| 18:42.15 | _ZeuZ_|_Work | now me goes to study, take care guys |
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| 18:44.03 | hramrach | netcrash: so what's the problem |
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| 18:45.26 | netcrash | hramrach: when booting it says "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 18:46.20 | hramrach | netcrash: then it does know how to find the disk |
| 18:46.51 | hramrach | and it looks like it does not use initramfs |
| 18:46.58 | netcrash | hramrach: did not understand |
| 18:47.25 | zxcx | check if there is initrd |
| 18:47.57 | zxcx | i had that problem today ,after compiling own kernel deb's and installing it |
| 18:48.32 | hramrach | netcrash: what you get is an error from the kernel saying it cannot find sda1 so it probably dos not see the sda disk, And if you had an initarmfs loaded you would get an error from an initramfs script, not from the kernel |
| 18:49.14 | zxcx | wrong hramrach |
| 18:49.16 | netcrash | hramrach: got it , have to check why it's not loading the initram |
| 18:49.19 | netcrash | ? |
| 18:49.24 | netcrash | wrong ? |
| 18:49.54 | hramrach | it's probably grub or lilo config problem |
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| 18:50.19 | hramrach | or if you built a package the initrd is not generated for the package |
| 18:50.22 | zxcx | ah, as i said hramrach i had same problem earlier today - no initrd image and prober entry in grub, it said "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 18:54.55 | hramrach | or if you built a package the initrd is not generated for the pac |
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| 18:56.24 | zxcx | ah.. now i see you agreed with me earlier, i had to read whats written more carefully |
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| 18:57.00 | DexterF | kienerii_: ? |
| 18:57.10 | kienerii_ | jo |
| 18:57.18 | kienerii_ | try again licq ;-) |
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| 18:57.51 | zxcx | anyways, what is general practice with keeping debian4 with new kernels (2.6.2x)? Should I push i try to keep it always pushed to the edge? |
| 18:58.26 | jamman | hello everybody. i have been trying to get a transparent proxy going on my network. but i have one problem. when i append an iptables rule, it doesn't work. it seems as though the rule was never really added. http://pastebin.com/md592381 |
| 18:59.13 | blubberdiblub | jamman, try "iptables -L -t nat" |
| 18:59.19 | jamman | haha |
| 18:59.27 | jamman | i just got that same response in the iptables channel |
| 18:59.28 | jamman | lol |
| 18:59.31 | jamman | thanks though! |
| 18:59.32 | DexterF | kienerii_: one IM client to connect them all |
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| 18:59.51 | zxcx | DexterF: its called pidgin |
| 18:59.59 | aleksanteri | kopete! |
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| 19:01.10 | DexterF | zxcx: although I think that kopete is really really weird in certain ways it matches the rest of my qt/kde appereance and I got used to it - and pidgin just can't import the history. (lemme now if I'm wrong here) |
| 19:01.47 | DexterF | if I wanted gtk I'd use Gnome... and I rather listen to Linus' advice ;) |
| 19:01.49 | chops | zxcx: What do you need new kernels for? |
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| 19:02.19 | zxcx | chops: tg3 network drivers for dell r300 |
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| 19:02.39 | chops | zxcx: I would recommend installing one from backports, and only upgrading when security advisories come out |
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| 19:02.47 | chops | zxcx: Or looking into etchandahalf |
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| 19:03.24 | zxcx | DexterF: : as far as i remember history is kept in .html files in pidgin, never tried to import to it anyways |
| 19:03.40 | Caemyr | chops: what is the difference between etch and stable branches? |
| 19:03.54 | chops | Caemyr: There is no difference right now. |
| 19:04.07 | chops | Caemyr: When lenny releases, stable will be lenny, and etch will still be etch. |
| 19:04.20 | chops | Caemyr: (etch will also be oldstable at that point) |
| 19:04.27 | zxcx | chops: i search internet for .debs with those drivers but no results |
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| 19:04.35 | Caemyr | i mean in pkg updates |
| 19:04.46 | Caemyr | so it contains packets for future stable? |
| 19:04.52 | chops | Caemyr: etch and stable are 100% the same, in pkg updates and all other respects. |
| 19:04.59 | Caemyr | oh? |
| 19:05.04 | ArthurArchnix | Powermanagement is so confusing. I'm on gnome right now, a default install has gnome power manager, there's hal, there's gnome screensaver, there's apm (which I uninstall), acpi, uwsusp, pm-utils, laptop-mode-tools... when things are going wrong, as they are now for me, where to begin locating the problem? |
| 19:05.16 | Caemyr | when i switched from etch to stable i had several packages updated |
| 19:05.19 | chops | Caemyr: No. lenny is future stable, and etch does not include lenny updates. Once lenny releases, stable will include lenny updates, because lenny will be stable. |
| 19:05.24 | Caemyr | ok |
| 19:05.24 | Caemyr | thx |
| 19:05.41 | chops | Caemyr: Which packages? The packages being updated had nothing to do specifically with you changing etch to stable. |
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| 19:06.21 | Caemyr | chops: ssh, httpd |
| 19:06.28 | Caemyr | but its just a shot |
| 19:06.40 | Caemyr | i dont remember exactly, all of them |
| 19:06.48 | Caemyr | nvm, i was just wondering |
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| 19:13.12 | netcrash | hramrach: now it's booting the initramfs , thank you , I was not seeing this problem ... |
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| 19:14.32 | ArthurArchnix | hmm how to flash the bios from linux. Is it possible? |
| 19:15.54 | dark_templar_86 | how can i run firefox3 on debian |
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| 19:16.09 | bravvve | hi,am new be iv question,i wan tu make my modem like a router,but i filed,and now i must do the "pppoeconf" to activate the connection,why |
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| 19:16.55 | dark_templar_86 | i put sid sources to apt's sources.list |
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| 19:17.35 | dark_templar_86 | and when i try to update iceweasel to v3 |
| 19:18.10 | stew | dark_templar_86: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:18.11 | dark_templar_86 | apt says gnome-desktop-environment will be removed |
| 19:18.24 | dark_templar_86 | right now 4.0 etch |
| 19:18.28 | bravvve | hi,am new be iv question,i wan tu make my modem like a router,but i filed,and now i must do the "pppoeconf" to activate the connection,why |
| 19:18.45 | stew | dark_templar_86: you should not be trying to mix stable with testing/unstable, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:21.09 | dark_templar_86 | thanks, stew |
| 19:22.02 | stew | dark_templar_86: "/msg dpkg firefox 3 etch" but i have no idea about the quality of those packages. use at your own risk |
| 19:22.08 | bravvve | stew can i install sarge debian applications in etch debian |
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| 19:22.46 | AlteKiet | Hi all. How can I tell where all hard links to a certain file are? using find? |
| 19:23.11 | stew | bravvve: usually |
| 19:23.35 | stew | AlteKiet: yes find with -inum |
| 19:24.28 | AlteKiet | stew: yes, but then I have to search all my drives, or is a hard link restricted to one partition? |
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| 19:24.59 | stew | AlteKiet: hardlinks are restricted to one partition |
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| 19:25.21 | AlteKiet | stew: ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 19:25.25 | bravvve | stew not working in my etch debian 4.03 |
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| 19:25.41 | stew | bravvve: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:27.05 | bravvve | am using synaptic |
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| 19:27.33 | bravvve | the package is installed but i cant fownd it |
| 19:27.39 | criso | is there an option in mount to set a uid for the vfat filesystem? or does it automaticaly use the mount point owner? |
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| 19:27.59 | themill | dpkg: tell criso about vfatrw |
| 19:28.07 | criso | :/ |
| 19:28.29 | criso | I set up sudoers to let a user run /sbin/mount |
| 19:28.37 | criso | but I want that user to be able to write also |
| 19:29.04 | themill | criso: so follow dpkg's advice? sudo not required. |
| 19:29.04 | criso | I mean |
| 19:29.09 | criso | but not in fstab |
| 19:29.14 | criso | its just for any mount |
| 19:29.27 | criso | like mount -o user=xx would that work? |
| 19:29.40 | stew | criso: you are looking for uid, not user |
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| 19:29.53 | criso | ok let me try that |
| 19:30.36 | AlteKiet | Has anybody got an explanation why ls shows the existence of two hard links to one inode, but find shows only one filename searching for the inode... |
| 19:31.03 | criso | ah cool thanks |
| 19:31.06 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: is that inode a directory? |
| 19:31.08 | AlteKiet | stat showing: "Links:2" as well |
| 19:31.17 | AlteKiet | \amethyst: they are files |
| 19:31.33 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: maybe the other link has been deleted but is still open? |
| 19:31.38 | criso | you cant have hard links to directories can you? |
| 19:31.48 | \amethyst | criso: you can't create them |
| 19:31.49 | AlteKiet | criso: no you can't |
| 19:32.02 | \amethyst | criso: . and .. are hard links for the purposes of the inode link count, though |
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| 19:32.08 | criso | ah |
| 19:32.15 | AlteKiet | \amethyst: maybe, but this is true for hundreds of files... |
| 19:32.23 | AlteKiet | i'll lsof them |
| 19:32.39 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: are you running find as root? |
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| 19:33.26 | AlteKiet | \amethyst: euh... yes |
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| 19:34.23 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: hm... actually, it appears being open won't keep the link count from going down |
| 19:34.23 | jamman | hey all. i have one quick question. when i try to restart dansguardian on my etch (i think) server, dansguardian hangs. any help? |
| 19:34.27 | stew | bravvve: if the package is installed, then what exactly is the problem? what pacakge are you talking about? |
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| 19:35.01 | AlteKiet | \amethyst: logged out as root, but the problem persists (of course). thanks for reminding me of working as root too often |
| 19:35.20 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: Actually, it's good that you were running the find as root |
| 19:35.29 | jeward | Can I get vim to edit utf8 files? Or do I have to use a GUI editor? |
| 19:35.38 | stew | criso: i believe that there are filesystems that allow hardlinking directories but it is not common |
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| 19:36.01 | \amethyst | jeward: yes, you can, but you need a terminal with utf-8 support too |
| 19:36.04 | criso | stew, what is it called? |
| 19:36.08 | jeward | xterm? |
| 19:36.08 | stew | criso: (otherwise it would be pretty silly for ln to have a -d option) |
| 19:36.30 | AlteKiet | jeward: xterm for instance. in vim: do :help utf-8 |
| 19:36.34 | \amethyst | jeward: I think xterm should work as long as your locale is UTF-8 |
| 19:37.00 | Bushmills | criso: you can mount -bind instead of ln |
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| 19:39.45 | stew | criso: if you are asking what filesystem allwos hard linking of directories, i don't know of one off the top of my head |
| 19:40.26 | \amethyst | Doesn't OS X 10.5 have directory hardlinks? |
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| 19:40.42 | stew | no idea |
| 19:40.49 | jeward | Ah, vi in OS X terminal "just works". Thanks! |
| 19:40.51 | \amethyst | I haven't got a Leopard machine to test, but I have heard that's part of how Time Machine was implemented |
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| 19:41.28 | \amethyst | Otherwise, it's been a long time since mainstream unices have supported directory hardlinks |
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| 19:42.04 | \amethyst | and even when they did, it required 'appropriate privileges' (usually root), because of the possibility of creating cycles |
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| 19:44.36 | jamman | hey all. i have one quick question. when i try to restart dansguardian on my etch (i think) server, dansguardian hangs. any help? |
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| 19:44.44 | zap | Hello everybody! Is it possible to tell "debuild" to use two host CPUs? I mean is it possible to pass somehow -j2 to make? |
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| 19:47.01 | stew | zap: only if the debian/rules file has been written to pay attention to the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL environment variable |
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| 19:47.23 | CharminTheMoose | what could the causes for crackling audio be when using libopenal? |
| 19:47.57 | NinjaMan | does anyone know how I can stop upnpd IGD responding upnp broadcasts originating from the machine it is installed on (e.g. skype and upnpd are installed on the same machine) |
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| 19:48.56 | zap | stew: and how in that case? |
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| 19:49.39 | stew | zap: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 debuild |
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| 19:50.59 | NinjaMan | or basically what iptables firewall rule will block broadcasts sent to 0.0.0.0 from appearing on the same machines interfaces and an incoming packet? |
| 19:51.04 | \banlist | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f5f5f2da5 <--- download this wonderful semi-automatic script for downloading some obsoleted patents (e.g. Arithmetic Coder, LZW, etc.) |
| 19:51.22 | NinjaMan | *as an incoming packet |
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| 19:53.06 | abrotman | \banlist: go away |
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| 19:53.55 | themill | he should fix the errors in that script too... |
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| 19:54.35 | NinjaMan | CharminTheMoose: are you using pulseaudio or a creative card on M/B with a via chipset? |
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| 19:57.09 | yesitisjustme | my laptop has build in thing to connect ethernet cable and i also have a pcmcia card it gets detectedn and dongle cable lights up but yet won't connect with either build in or the card yet it always connects fine to desktop is there something i am missing? |
| 19:58.29 | LOOP` | stew: can you say me another the command to read how compile kernel? I lost it... |
| 19:58.39 | streuner | abrotman: you're slow |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | hardly |
| 19:58.56 | stew | LOOP`: what module do you need for your DVB card? perhaps you don't need to recompile the kernel |
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| 19:59.28 | streuner | abrotman: you are OP or you are NOT |
| 19:59.35 | Ace2016 | is it possible to raid the mbr? |
| 19:59.35 | LOOP` | I don't know the modules because I don't know chipset of DVB-T |
| 19:59.49 | Ace2016 | LOOP`: what card is it? |
| 19:59.59 | LOOP` | don't is a card |
| 20:00.01 | stew | LOOP`: is your card attached now? can you show us the output of "lspci -vn" |
| 20:00.02 | LOOP` | is a usb device |
| 20:00.11 | LOOP` | no |
| 20:00.17 | LOOP` | when I list device |
| 20:00.25 | LOOP` | return me intel Corp. |
| 20:00.27 | stew | LOOP`: can you show us the output of "lsusb" then? |
| 20:00.28 | LOOP` | :( |
| 20:00.33 | LOOP` | wait |
| 20:00.57 | nvz | LOOP`: could I interest you in a , . or ! key in place of the enter key? |
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| 20:03.09 | chop1 | Ace2016: With hardware RAID, yes. With Linux software RAID, not meaningfully. |
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| 20:03.43 | LOOP` | ohu |
| 20:03.47 | Ace2016 | yea thought so, i'll stick with backing it up myself for now |
| 20:03.49 | LOOP` | now I don't see |
| 20:03.51 | LOOP` | :( |
| 20:03.55 | Ace2016 | don't see what? |
| 20:04.07 | Ace2016 | maybe you misidentified it |
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| 20:04.17 | Ace2016 | is it plugged in? |
| 20:04.25 | LOOP` | http://phpfi.com/328490 |
| 20:04.26 | LOOP` | yes |
| 20:04.28 | LOOP` | but |
| 20:04.32 | LOOP` | I don't see |
| 20:04.37 | LOOP` | strange |
| 20:04.58 | LOOP` | nvz: I do not understand |
| 20:05.06 | themill | LOOP`: please try to construct sentences and use fewer lines to communicate more information to us. |
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| 20:05.29 | LOOP` | ok |
| 20:05.31 | LOOP` | sorry |
| 20:06.31 | Ace2016 | unplug it plug it back in again? |
| 20:06.31 | nvz | well all I understand is 90% of the lines on my screen are you putting single words on a line and saying nothing that interests me |
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| 20:07.08 | \bin\tclsh | hello |
| 20:07.11 | nvz | furthermore I have no idea what you are even going on about and I'd have to scroll back probably 100 pages to figure it out |
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| 20:07.28 | \bin\tclsh | when compiz-check says this: Checking for texture_from_pixmap... [FAIL] what could be the fix, reinstall driver? |
| 20:07.53 | Ace2016 | trying to get his dvb-t card working, it isn't showing up in lsusb anymore, when it was it showed up as intel something |
| 20:08.15 | nvz | hmm.. check dmesg, maybe there are usb host errors |
| 20:08.25 | Ace2016 | \bin\tclsh: you need to google the error |
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| 20:08.40 | Ace2016 | \bin\tclsh: or go to #compiz-fusion |
| 20:08.43 | \bin\tclsh | they says all errors for ubuntu and i tried all, |
| 20:08.47 | \bin\tclsh | hm thx |
| 20:09.15 | LOOP` | nvz: sorry |
| 20:09.43 | nvz | LOOP`: did you check dmesg output for usb errors such as the device read errors, not accepting id.. etc |
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| 20:11.18 | LOOP` | themill: now it appear --> http://phpfi.com/328491 |
| 20:11.29 | LOOP` | nvz: resolved now it appear |
| 20:12.21 | nvz | LOOP`: I wouldn't call that resolved cause you still don't know what the problem is and "intel" tells you nothing.. you need some v's there |
| 20:12.36 | nvz | lsusb -vvv |
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| 20:13.07 | soulchild | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.19 | soulchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.19 | soulchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.46 | stew | soulchild: sed -n '5{p;q}' |
| 20:13.52 | stew | soulchild: (for the 5th line) |
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| 20:15.03 | stew | soulchild: 'sed -n 5p' works too, but is less efficient if it is a huge file (becuase it goes through the entire file even after it has printed the 5th line) |
| 20:15.06 | LOOP` | nvz: http://phpfi.com/328493 that is all |
| 20:15.07 | eldowan | I've got a system boot problem. There is only one HD, hda. I get all through grub, and it starts to load the configuration. However, it will not find the lvm volume group to load, and the kernel panics. dmesg states that it cannot read the partition table, and cites hda read errors and crc errors for the issue. I'm not sure even where to start looking. It *can* see the partition table, as it starts to load past grub but then fails. any help? |
| 20:15.13 | stoned | eldowan: ! |
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| 20:15.17 | eldowan | stoned: ! |
| 20:15.24 | nvz | wow, this client sure doesn't handle netsplits well |
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| 20:15.26 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: is /boot on lvm? |
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| 20:15.45 | stoned | eldowan: msg |
| 20:15.57 | stoned | nvz: which? |
| 20:16.06 | abrotman | if /boot/ is on lvm .. don't you still need lilo in etch ? |
| 20:16.14 | stoned | nvz: /ignore -regexp netsplit something or other? |
| 20:16.20 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: no. boot is ext2 and / and everything else is lvm |
| 20:16.20 | nvz | stoned: pidgin on vista |
| 20:16.21 | Taime1 | i hear that debian installs and runs nicely on eepc, is this pretty much true? |
| 20:16.25 | stoned | nvz: hahaha |
| 20:16.30 | nvz | stoned: yeah.. I know |
| 20:16.33 | stoned | i laugh at thee |
| 20:16.34 | stoned | :) |
| 20:16.47 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: hrm... that should work fine; does your initrd have the lvm modules and everything? This is a Debian kernel, right? |
| 20:16.48 | nvz | well I just moved last night and nothing else is up and running right now |
| 20:17.05 | stoned | nvz: i will rend thee in the gobblewarts with my blurglecruncheon |
| 20:17.16 | nvz | whatever that means |
| 20:17.23 | stoned | lvms are a pain sometimes |
| 20:17.25 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: did it just start failing, or has it never worked? |
| 20:17.43 | nvz | LOOP`: well that at least is a little more helpful got a model number "CE9500B1" |
| 20:17.54 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I want to say sarge vanilla kernel. Its worked for about a year, and failed while up today. I think it may be a damaged hdd. |
| 20:17.55 | nvz | that device sure isn't very verbose |
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| 20:18.17 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: ah; yeah, that's starting to get closer to what I would suspect, then. |
| 20:18.32 | Taime1 | if i install debian to eeepc,do you think e16 will run as well as it does otherwise? |
| 20:18.51 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: I don't know enough about lvm repair to help you with repair, but you should try booting off the etch d-i just in case. |
| 20:18.57 | stoned | it should, enlightenment isn't that taxing |
| 20:18.58 | LOOP` | nvz: tnx now I find anyone on google :P |
| 20:19.05 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: in the rescue mode, it should find the lvm if that's possible and enable you to mount it |
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| 20:19.52 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: thats what I'm hoping, but now the damn thing doesn't even want to boot from cd. |
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| 20:20.20 | stew | Taime1: /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 20:20.23 | goto10 | where can i find a 32 bit iceweasel version for amd64 ? |
| 20:20.29 | Taime1 | thank you |
| 20:20.36 | stew | Taime1: i don't see why e16 would run differently on a eeepc than some other similar hardware |
| 20:20.46 | Taime1 | that was my thinking |
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| 20:21.36 | valdyn | goto10: not in debian, why do you need it? |
| 20:21.59 | nvz | goto10: you could run a 32bit chroot of debian... |
| 20:21.59 | goto10 | valdyn, for java. i tried iceweasel_2.0.0.14-0etch1_i386.deb, but dpkg says, wrong architecture. |
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| 20:22.22 | nvz | goto10: set it up to run via schroot |
| 20:23.12 | nvz | mumbles something incoherent about ia32libs |
| 20:23.54 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: huh |
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| 20:24.41 | stoned | nvz: oh btw, that was vogon poetry |
| 20:25.00 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: bios setting. boot cdrom was turned off even though it showed on the boot order |
| 20:25.05 | nvz | stoned: oh my.. |
| 20:25.11 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: heh |
| 20:25.15 | stoned | btw.. java browser plugin works in amd64 |
| 20:25.18 | stoned | wth |
| 20:25.24 | stoned | how? this is awesome |
| 20:25.34 | stoned | when did this happen? |
| 20:25.37 | \amethyst | stoned: which one? |
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| 20:25.40 | \amethyst | stoned: Sun's? |
| 20:25.42 | stoned | gcj or something |
| 20:25.59 | \amethyst | stoned: oh, gcj hasn't had a problem with 64 bit in a while |
| 20:26.04 | stoned | nice nice |
| 20:26.06 | \amethyst | if it ever did |
| 20:26.10 | stoned | I like, I didn't know it existed |
| 20:26.15 | \amethyst | stoned: you might find some applets that don't work |
| 20:26.31 | stoned | yes i did come across a few however mostly it does work flawlessly |
| 20:26.36 | stoned | no crashes/lockup/sound too |
| 20:26.58 | Taime1 | geez, it looks like debian runs better than any other os on eeepc.. why dont more people use it? |
| 20:27.04 | nvz | needs to wake up enough to figure out what it is he's craving and find something to eat |
| 20:27.10 | stoned | because ms/ubuntu has blinded them? |
| 20:27.13 | nvz | Taime1: people are stupid |
| 20:27.18 | Taime1 | i agree |
| 20:27.19 | stoned | not stupidity |
| 20:27.22 | stoned | its mostly a lack of knowledge |
| 20:27.23 | stoned | imo |
| 20:27.26 | rsk | Taime1: why does so many people use windows? people are um.. *cencorship* |
| 20:27.37 | Taime1 | why do people bother with eeexubutnu? thats so ghey |
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| 20:27.49 | Taime1 | whatever |
| 20:27.57 | thms_ | why is my vsftp not working when the shell of the user is /dev/null ? |
| 20:28.03 | Taime1 | ill use debian.. seeing as how xandros is just a fork anyway |
| 20:28.19 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 20:28.20 | goto10 | nvz : i tried this guide : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/32-bit-iceweaselfirefox-on-debian-etch-amd64-650185/ . schroot ? |
| 20:28.23 | Taime1 | i really just want e16 hehe |
| 20:28.23 | Gnurdux | xandros is pretty nasty |
| 20:28.31 | LOOP` | nvz: the name of the driver is "dutv005" but there isn't for linux. There isn't any way for cut firmware by windows driver? I try also to install with ndiswrapper but don't work... |
| 20:28.31 | abrotman | e16? |
| 20:28.33 | Gnurdux | and the eee one is worse |
| 20:28.35 | stoned | elightenment |
| 20:28.37 | abrotman | boggles |
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| 20:28.44 | Taime1 | i like it a lot |
| 20:28.46 | nvz | goto10: schroot runs applications inside a chroot |
| 20:28.53 | Taime1 | i get crap for it all the time |
| 20:28.56 | Taime1 | but it rocks |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | i used it .. in 1999 :) |
| 20:29.01 | nvz | makes life easier |
| 20:29.07 | stoned | 1997 |
| 20:29.09 | Bushmills | xandros is now the proud owner of linspire, btw |
| 20:29.14 | Taime1 | REALLY |
| 20:29.18 | ameyer | xandros will be even worse if they actually are merging with Lindows^H^H^H^Hspire |
| 20:29.18 | Bushmills | formerly lindows |
| 20:29.19 | Taime1 | i didnt read that |
| 20:29.19 | abrotman | enlightenemnt in general .. not e16 |
| 20:29.27 | stoned | well yeh |
| 20:29.34 | stoned | those were my days of RH7.2 |
| 20:29.36 | stoned | er.. 6.2 |
| 20:29.40 | ameyer | the merger seems to be a bit of a rumor last I heard |
| 20:29.47 | nvz | LOOP`: ndiswrapper is for network cards afaik.. and I don't know anyting about your dvb card I've never done that stuff |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | i don't even remember which version of enlightenment that was .. |
| 20:29.57 | Taime1 | i still think enlightenment is one of the best wim |
| 20:30.00 | Taime1 | wm* |
| 20:30.07 | abrotman | better than some others i suppose |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | and i'm sure it's really snappy on modern hardware :) |
| 20:30.22 | LOOP` | ok |
| 20:30.24 | Taime1 | its a good comprimise |
| 20:30.42 | Taime1 | pretty AND lightweight |
| 20:31.03 | goto10 | nvz: and how does this work with the iceweasel deb, never done it ? |
| 20:31.17 | Taime1 | its no compiz on eyecandy, and its no fluxbox on speed.. but you see where im going |
| 20:31.32 | nvz | goto10: you setup a 32bit chroot, a complete debian 32bit system.. using debootstrap |
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| 20:31.53 | nvz | goto10: so that you can install 32bit packages without the arch incompatibility errors |
| 20:32.11 | Saar | twm is king |
| 20:32.12 | goto10 | nvz: isnt it possible to install only a 32 bit briowser without chroot ? |
| 20:32.21 | nvz | goto10: when you chroot to the folder you debootstrapped then you can apt-get the 32bit packags |
| 20:32.35 | nvz | goto10: not that I'm aware, and setting up a chroot is simple |
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| 20:33.07 | nvz | goto10: make a directory somewhere, debootstrap it, chroot to it.. you're ready to use any 32bit packages |
| 20:33.37 | goto10 | nvz: i'll try. thanks. |
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| 20:37.22 | thms_ | why is my vsftpd not working when the shell of the user is /dev/null ? |
| 20:37.34 | Taime1 | sorry to bug again.. but the eeepc tutorial doesnt mention anything about system requirements.. how much disk space do i need to install debian comfortably? im guessing the 2g surf is no good. but is 4gb enough? |
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| 20:38.18 | deeperror | can someone check the end of this strace http://pastebin.ca/1059919 i've got this script that just started locking up on me and I have no clue what the issue is...runs from cron every 5 minutes works about 95% of the time but the other 5% it will just hang and never end |
| 20:38.36 | nvz | Taime1: 2gb is about what it takes in my experience, but then again we've obviously got different ideas of comfortable.. I don't choose form over function and I think enlightenment is fugly and total crap |
| 20:38.52 | Taime1 | haha |
| 20:38.54 | Taime1 | okay |
| 20:39.08 | Taime1 | 4g it is |
| 20:39.10 | Taime1 | thanks\ |
| 20:39.16 | nvz | I'd rather use Vista than enlightenment |
| 20:39.31 | nvz | and thats saying a lot.. cause I can't stand vista |
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| 20:40.53 | Taime1 | well, thats cool, but i was mostly interested in knowing how much disk space i need to install debian\ |
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| 20:41.36 | Trollinator | Is there a "Debian way" to modify the initrd? |
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| 20:41.53 | valdyn | Trollinator: modify how? |
| 20:42.02 | Trollinator | valdyn: I |
| 20:42.11 | Trollinator | I'd like to add a program |
| 20:42.16 | Trollinator | namely "fusecompress" |
| 20:42.47 | Trollinator | and make it so that the root drive is completely compressed. |
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| 20:44.00 | stew | Trollinator: though i don't known anything about fusecompress, in general, the 'debian way' to modify the initrd would be to edit *something* /etc/initramfs-tools/ then run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version' |
| 20:44.07 | stew | err something in... |
| 20:44.18 | Trollinator | stew: good, thank you |
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| 20:48.14 | neurodamage | how do I go bleeding edge with my debian installation? |
| 20:48.25 | neurodamage | I can't remember the correct documentation that was available for that |
| 20:48.28 | stew | neurodamage: why do you want to? |
| 20:48.34 | odla | neurodamage: you mean running sid? |
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| 20:49.28 | thms_ | why is my vsftpd not working when the shell of the user is /dev/null ? |
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| 20:51.26 | martian67 | thms_: make it /bin/false |
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| 20:51.35 | martian67 | err |
| 20:51.39 | martian67 | /bin/true |
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| 20:53.05 | c0nfl|ct | fritou o miolo |
| 20:53.31 | netcrash | Hello, again if initram fs returns this "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" , can the problem be on recognising the disk or the filesystem ? |
| 20:55.22 | wols_ | netcrash: what does exist? |
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| 20:55.55 | neurodamage | odla, sure, it's been a while since i've used debian but not new to linux |
| 20:56.19 | netcrash | a file pretending to be the disk sda1 |
| 20:56.21 | odla | !sid |
| 20:56.21 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
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| 20:56.37 | wols_ | netcrash: and what partitions with a nice / filesystem does exist? |
| 20:56.44 | chop1 | neurodamage: The general rule is that if you're not familiar with how to upgrade to sid, you probably shouldn't be updating to sid. Have you considered testing instead? |
| 20:57.04 | netcrash | file is mapped to sda1 ... |
| 20:57.07 | netcrash | reiserfs |
| 20:57.38 | neurodamage | chop1, testing is actually probably a better idea |
| 20:57.41 | wols_ | netcrash: it's not what I asked |
| 20:57.43 | neurodamage | i'll look into that |
| 20:58.07 | wols_ | netcrash: what is the devicename of your root filesystem? |
| 20:58.53 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: looks like d-i can see all the partitions, but detects 0 volume groups in the lvm partition. I'm guessing my next step is trying to recover lvm setup information out of the partition? |
| 20:58.54 | netcrash | wols_: sda1 |
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| 20:59.08 | wols_ | netcrash: and how did it happen that sda1 is a file now instead? |
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| 20:59.21 | wols_ | netcrash: show us the file, permissions, owner, etc |
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| 20:59.42 | dirk_ | how do I add a new user with admin rights and a /home/name folder? |
| 20:59.55 | wols_ | dirk_: you don't |
| 21:00.04 | wols_ | dirk_: look into sudo instead |
| 21:00.22 | iuri | hello there, how do find text in files |
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| 21:00.30 | wols_ | iuri: man grep |
| 21:00.30 | n3kl | iuri: grep |
| 21:01.03 | Deffie_ | hi all, anyone with debian etch and php5-gd can tell me to what is linked /usr/lib/libpng.so.2 ? |
| 21:01.05 | netcrash | wols_: sorry , let me explain better , I'm using xen to run this file has a filesystem , xen see's this has sda1 , 644 are the permissions ... |
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| 21:01.11 | iuri | wols_, thanks ! |
| 21:02.22 | wols_ | netcrash: where does the guest kernel come from? |
| 21:02.41 | netcrash | wols_: debian packages |
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| 21:05.01 | Deffie_ | PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:05.10 | Deffie_ | O_o ? |
| 21:05.56 | eldowan | Deffie_: do you have GD? |
| 21:06.12 | Deffie_ | eldowan: i have libgd2-xpm |
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| 21:06.53 | Deffie_ | eldowan: /usr/lib/libgd.so.2.0.33 |
| 21:07.21 | eldowan | Deffie_: create a test.php file and put this in it <? phpinfo(); ?> and look for a gd section |
| 21:07.33 | eldowan | you've got to run the file (by browser or cli) |
| 21:07.53 | Deffie_ | eldowan: theres no gd section, it just says it reads gd.ini |
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| 21:08.23 | benjamindees | I've noticed some corruption of my user settings (~/.*) lately. iceweasel lost all it's search engines. x-chat lost it's server list. korganizer is now having problems saving new items. |
| 21:08.39 | eldowan | Deffie_: looks like gd isn't being loaded. your .so files are for gd, and php doesn't know what to do with them. I don't know where you need to go from there, but you need to get gd enabled somehow. |
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| 21:08.52 | wols_ | netcrash: then everything actuallx needed is in the kernel. if you use the accompanying initrd |
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| 21:10.42 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.59 | Deffie_ | eldowan: php5-gd provides /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so which is for php, it is linked to system libraries like /usr/lib/libgd.so.2.0.33 but something is wrong, i'm in hope that someone with etch can tell me its versions |
| 21:11.02 | netcrash | wols_: yap using it ... So the problem is poiting to xen :S |
| 21:12.06 | xushi | i'm currently on a minimalistic install of debian and fluxbox.. what's a good media player to use? |
| 21:12.09 | xushi | video |
| 21:12.19 | valdyn | benjamindees: if you dont have any information as to how this happened, like a crash or errors on the filesystem ( that could show up in dmesg ), restore from backup and reproduce the error or just ignore it |
| 21:12.27 | eldowan | Deffie_: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libgd.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 21:13.09 | valdyn | benjamindees: you can only do some general testing, like memtest86, fsck etc |
| 21:13.17 | valdyn | benjamindees: from that few info you are giving |
| 21:13.25 | DawnLight | where can i get the bpo key excluding the backports-keyring package? i want this for use in preseed |
| 21:13.37 | Deffie_ | eldowan: according to packages my system is ready for php5-gd but it is not :/ |
| 21:14.12 | eldowan | Deffie_: searching for your error message turns up a bug report about php and gd. |
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| 21:15.49 | flower | how do I add a new system user?, I don't get the manpage totally |
| 21:16.05 | benjamindees | valdyn, right. not much else to do. this is just etch with security updates and a few backports so I'll try fsck and memtest. |
| 21:16.06 | valdyn | flower: just run "adduser" ? |
| 21:16.08 | eldowan | adduser ? |
| 21:16.10 | flower | adduser jaap --system --home /home/jaap --shell bash ?? |
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| 21:16.25 | Daree | Hello, i'm pretty new to Linux & looking for help, any clue is highly appreciated, i need to run my Linux box as proxy server pretty much like ISA server in Windows which software you recomend please? |
| 21:16.29 | valdyn | flower: no, dont make it complicated |
| 21:16.35 | xushi | any advice on a good video player for linux under flux? |
| 21:16.41 | valdyn | flower: the defaults for shell and home are fine |
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| 21:17.11 | enouf | xuser: xine, mplayer, vlc ? |
| 21:17.20 | flower | thanks |
| 21:17.20 | eldowan | Daree: have you looked into squid? |
| 21:17.21 | n3kl | Daree: squid |
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| 21:17.27 | xushi | does mplayer have gui interface? |
| 21:17.32 | enouf | it can |
| 21:17.35 | rsk | xushi: yes by default |
| 21:17.39 | xushi | thanks |
| 21:17.40 | ricosecada | I have an old Sony M8 video camera, and I have just gotten a video card. What kind of package can be used to record input from the video card? |
| 21:17.42 | flower | valdyn, can the new user become root and have admin rights? |
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| 21:17.43 | eldowan | xushi: gmplayer will bring up one |
| 21:17.48 | valdyn | flower: why --system ? |
| 21:17.54 | valdyn | flower: no |
| 21:17.59 | enouf | rsk: huh? |
| 21:18.18 | flower | valdyn, how can I make the newuser a admin? |
| 21:18.19 | n3kl | flower: just do su |
| 21:18.27 | valdyn | flower: you cant |
| 21:18.34 | n3kl | flower: there is only one admin. its called root |
| 21:18.39 | valdyn | flower: the only complete admin is root |
| 21:18.43 | flower | mmh ok ... |
| 21:18.56 | valdyn | flower: theres no point at all making several users that dont differ in their permissions |
| 21:19.10 | Daree | eldowan yes i did but it seems there's no GUI for squid, Isn't it? |
| 21:19.18 | valdyn | flower: root is root even if called "admin", which you could do, but thats silly |
| 21:20.25 | valdyn | ( guess you could create a windows-like user mess with acl but duh, who'd want that.. ) |
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| 21:20.53 | eldowan | Daree: I'm not sure, but I think there are web based interfaces for it. |
| 21:21.02 | enouf | ricosecada: i'm sure there's plenty, one might be kde's digikam ? |
| 21:21.43 | xushi | how does one install xvid on amd64? is there a win32codec package? |
| 21:21.53 | enouf | ricosecada: use apt-cache search <keyword> or browse the web and find something, and check if debian has it pkg'd already |
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| 21:22.09 | n3kl | xushi: look into debian-multimedia |
| 21:22.19 | enouf | xushi: Etch? |
| 21:22.22 | valdyn | xushi: xvid is always been free software |
| 21:22.26 | DawnLight | xushi: try the vlc package. try mplayer from debian-multimedia |
| 21:22.31 | xushi | enouf: not sure anymore.. |
| 21:22.35 | valdyn | xushi: maybe patent issue, but still free |
| 21:22.35 | enouf | ... |
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| 21:22.49 | eldowan | Daree: I don't know if this works, but you can *try* this out: http://freshmeat.net/projects/proxymin/ |
| 21:22.49 | xushi | DawnLight: yea i am using vlc now, but it says main decoder error, no suitable decoder module for xvid |
| 21:22.54 | elbeardmorez | hello all. I can no longer use synaptic package manager to install packages as EVERY package it downloads results in a "error: unpacking of archive failed .. cpio: MD5 sum mismatch". Anyone had this issue before? I've reinstalled synaptic but no joy.. |
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| 21:23.09 | enouf | xushi: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 21:23.13 | eldowan | Daree: demo here -- http://www.clhe.de/cgi-bin/proxymin/proxymin.py |
| 21:23.22 | DawnLight | xushi: wierd. i thought vlc plays anything. try d-m |
| 21:23.29 | DawnLight | !d-m |
| 21:23.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 21:24.16 | valdyn | xushi: vlc will just need libxvidcore |
| 21:24.23 | bonez44 | help at |
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| 21:27.18 | hedos | Hi. I installed the drivers for my ATI card, but running /usr/X11R6/bin/fgl_glxgears lead to a black screen. Any idea what's wrong or how I could find out? |
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| 21:27.44 | hedos | Note : I can run Warcraft III through wine and all the graphics or fine but very slow. |
| 21:27.44 | bonez44 | how slow? |
| 21:27.44 | wols_ | hedos: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 21:27.45 | hedos | 15 fps or so, I used to run it completely smooth on slackware |
| 21:27.57 | bonez44 | would it be too slow.. for a young boy, age 8 or 10? my boys have wow AND I'd like to convert them over to linux.. away from XP.. |
| 21:28.06 | hedos | "glxinfo" is not even in the path, is that normal? |
| 21:28.16 | eldowan | hedos: install mesa-utils |
| 21:28.28 | DawnLight | bonez44: wow works flawlessly |
| 21:28.30 | eldowan | hedos: it should provide glxinfo |
| 21:28.36 | hedos | thanks eldowan |
| 21:28.43 | xushi | http://pastebin.ca/1059949 i get this trying to install mplayer, xvid, etc... even trying to uninstall vlc.. this happened after i installed vlc |
| 21:28.47 | bonez44 | DawnLight: and not slow either? |
| 21:29.04 | DawnLight | bonez44: http://appdb.winehq.org and look for it |
| 21:29.18 | hedos | wols_ : It reported "direct rendering : yes" |
| 21:29.38 | valdyn | xushi: apt-cache policy vlc and apt-cache policy libxvidcore4 |
| 21:29.39 | bonez44 | DawnLight: my only other problem, is my system here..running xp now.. has VIA graphics subsystem on the main board.. and I can't get gdm to load... says Device not found.. when I try to load GUI on etch |
| 21:29.45 | DawnLight | bonez44: 'slow' could be lack of hardware acceleration. what graphics chip is this? |
| 21:30.03 | bonez44 | VIA.. |
| 21:30.09 | xushi | valdyn: thing is, it says it's already the newest version. but i can't get rid of these dependancy issues |
| 21:30.24 | valdyn | xushi: i know that, just run those commands and paste |
| 21:30.30 | bonez44 | DawnLight: VIA Chrome9 HC IGP Family |
| 21:30.41 | xushi | oh ok, sec |
| 21:31.07 | DawnLight | bonez44: i'm not sure these have good linux drivers |
| 21:31.30 | xushi | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1059951 |
| 21:31.44 | bonez44 | well, like i say, I can't even get gdm, or other GUI environment to load up.. |
| 21:31.44 | scatterp | if i have a binary file and when i try to run it i need to run it from its location rather than anywhere globaly how do i make it global ? |
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| 21:32.11 | valdyn | xushi: silly you, mixing etch packages from d-m, testing packages and etch security updates |
| 21:32.15 | wols_ | bonez44: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 21:32.23 | valdyn | xushi: decide on ONE release |
| 21:32.27 | benjamindees | scatterp, put a symlink in /usr/local/bin |
| 21:32.27 | n3kl | scatterp: put it in your PATH variable |
| 21:32.30 | wols_ | scatterp: by putting it into your path |
| 21:32.35 | valdyn | xushi: and its probably to late for anything but lenny aka testing |
| 21:32.35 | xushi | valdyn: its something i still can't understand.. i want to stick to testing only. |
| 21:32.39 | n3kl | benjamindees: or that |
| 21:32.43 | xushi | i don't mind |
| 21:32.48 | valdyn | xushi: so fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:33.00 | dustybin | is there a way to copy and paste from a terminal what is activated with ALT+F1 and a desktop what is on ALT+F7 ? |
| 21:33.02 | bonez44 | wols |
| 21:33.09 | valdyn | xushi: replace any occurence of etch/stable/sid/unstable with "lenny" |
| 21:33.09 | netcrash | wols_: changing tap:aio: to file:/ solved detecting the disk , now only complaining about finding some files and system being ro... |
| 21:33.15 | n3kl | dustybin: Look into gpm? |
| 21:33.15 | bonez44 | ok...I'll have to boot into it.. and grab it.. |
| 21:33.15 | et | DexterF: found the workaround? |
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| 21:33.22 | valdyn | xushi: and if i were you id replace testing with lenny too |
| 21:33.27 | bonez44 | wols_: or could I access it without rebooting into etch? |
| 21:33.35 | dustybin | n3kl: im using gpm but it doesnt paste into my desktop, only terminals what are on the F keys |
| 21:33.40 | xushi | valdyn: would you be kind enough to have a look at what i have, http://pastebin.ca/1059953 |
| 21:33.47 | humbolt | Ever heard of that? Is this a problem in debian as well? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F7Common#Partition_table_claimed_to_be_invalid_on_previously_working_drive |
| 21:34.00 | valdyn | xushi: hmm? |
| 21:34.03 | wols_ | bonez44: if you use a ext2 filesystem driver for windows, yes |
| 21:34.04 | scatterp | n3kl, benjamindees wols_ how do i do any one of those ? |
| 21:34.07 | et | DexterF: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502#c26 contains a workaround for kopete, http://nopaste.com/p/atY3iCLLI is a patch for pidgin |
| 21:34.09 | valdyn | xushi: just do what i said to be straight lenny |
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| 21:34.19 | xushi | valdyn: will try now |
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| 21:34.24 | n3kl | dustybin: bah. Wasn't sure. You might be able to echo bla >> /etc/tty7 or something |
| 21:34.34 | DawnLight | is there a key online for d-m? not the package... |
| 21:34.42 | wols_ | xushi: do you have dmm and lenny both in your sources.list? |
| 21:34.51 | hedos | So, I have "direct rendering : Yes", but running glxgears I have very low fps. |
| 21:34.53 | wols_ | DawnLight: yes there is |
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| 21:35.02 | DawnLight | wols_: wherez? |
| 21:35.03 | xushi | wols_: honestly, don't know.. this is my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/1059953 |
| 21:35.08 | wols_ | hedos: what videocard, what drivers? |
| 21:35.11 | benjamindees | scatterp, ln -s /path/to/binary /usr/local/bin/binaryname |
| 21:35.19 | wols_ | DawnLight: on the dmm site |
| 21:35.19 | scatterp | thanks |
| 21:35.28 | DawnLight | wols_: can't find. help? |
| 21:35.30 | n3kl | scatterp: to put it in your path, you can dick with the PATH variable, which for that you could look into .bash_profile. Otherwise, you could man ln, and you could also echo $PATH to see what your current $Path is set to. Or just type env. |
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| 21:35.37 | valdyn | hedos: your X driver is fglrx? ( you can also see that in glxinfo ) |
| 21:35.38 | wols_ | xushi: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main yes you do |
| 21:35.52 | wols_ | xushi: what happens is, you are mixing packages from lenny and from dmm |
| 21:36.02 | hedos | wols_, video card is ATI Radeon X700 Mobility. Drivers I'm not entirely sure but I believe they are the official ATI's. |
| 21:36.04 | DawnLight | wols_: http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub perhaps? |
| 21:36.04 | scatterp | benjamindees, wait some of these files are IN /usr/local/bin/binaryname |
| 21:36.12 | hedos | At least glxinfo doesn't mention anything about "fgl*" |
| 21:36.13 | xushi | wols_: so is this how it's supposed to look like? http://pastebin.ca/1059955 |
| 21:36.33 | hedos | (I installed the drivers a while ago) |
| 21:36.34 | valdyn | xushi: you missed replacting one testing with lenny |
| 21:36.36 | wols_ | DawnLight: no, read the site |
| 21:36.39 | valdyn | xushi: and one etch with lenny |
| 21:36.52 | xushi | oh, replace the word `testing` with lenny, sure |
| 21:36.55 | wols_ | xushi: no |
| 21:36.56 | valdyn | xushi: both do not break anything right now, but they are bad |
| 21:37.07 | benjamindees | scatterp, then rename that dir or change the binaryname |
| 21:37.08 | DawnLight | wols_: i can't install the package. i'm writing a preseed and it needs a key |
| 21:37.13 | scatterp | n3kl, how do i change what $path is set to |
| 21:37.13 | valdyn | xushi: you really want to be consistent in either using testing OR lenny, dont mix |
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| 21:37.18 | wols_ | hedos: less /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20070413103037 |
| 21:37.20 | wols_ | hedos: less /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:37.27 | n3kl | scatterp: google it |
| 21:37.27 | wols_ | DawnLight: I told you |
| 21:37.27 | valdyn | xushi: lenny is a little safer in the future |
| 21:37.31 | xushi | then if it's not too late, i'd like to stick with testing |
| 21:37.31 | scatterp | ok |
| 21:37.34 | scatterp | thx |
| 21:37.41 | valdyn | xushi: no |
| 21:37.44 | xushi | valdyn: or if lenny is safer, yes ill stick with lenny |
| 21:37.46 | xushi | didn't know that |
| 21:37.52 | valdyn | xushi: lenny and testing refer to the same files right now |
| 21:38.06 | n3kl | scatterp: dood, just copy the script into /usr/local/bin or create a symlink like ben told you, then make sure that its executable and done. type env. |
| 21:38.10 | valdyn | xushi: but when lenny releases, then testing will probably be in a state that you do not want |
| 21:38.15 | scatterp | ok |
| 21:38.19 | xushi | i see |
| 21:38.24 | xushi | better safe than sorry then |
| 21:38.40 | valdyn | xushi: at that point lenny = stable, and there will be a new testing |
| 21:39.25 | xushi | so finally, this should be right, yea? http://pastebin.ca/1059957 |
| 21:39.33 | xushi | sorry, itnore line 08 |
| 21:39.37 | xushi | and 5... |
| 21:39.42 | n3kl | scatterp: the PATH variable tells your shell where to look for executable files. |
| 21:39.51 | valdyn | xushi: ya... |
| 21:39.52 | scatterp | ok |
| 21:40.11 | xushi | thanks guys, i think i get the hang of it now (finally) |
| 21:40.22 | xushi | do i need a dist-upgrade now? |
| 21:40.28 | Lectus | when will lenny be released as stable? |
| 21:40.29 | hedos | Here's a paste of my xorg.conf file : http://pastebin.com/m20dcb4a7 |
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| 21:41.04 | nsm | hello |
| 21:41.07 | valdyn | xushi: no, not really |
| 21:41.20 | valdyn | xushi: aptitude update; aptitude install <package> |
| 21:41.23 | hedos | It seems that my drivers are fglrx after all. |
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| 21:41.31 | nsm | somebody is using vmware workstation 6 in debian lenny? |
| 21:41.38 | valdyn | xushi: but you probably want to dist-upgrade at some point |
| 21:41.48 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 21:41.48 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 21:42.39 | nsm | yes i know but maybe someone can help me |
| 21:42.46 | xushi | valdyn: now that i've stuck to lenny, how do i fix the dependancy issue? http://pastebin.ca/1059961 |
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| 21:43.09 | valdyn | xushi: run apt-get -f install as the error message tells you |
| 21:43.22 | nsm | i have installed it using vmware-package |
| 21:43.57 | Guerin | Lectus: when it's ready |
| 21:43.57 | xushi | heh, did that before but it didn't bring up anything.. works now |
| 21:43.57 | nsm | it works but when i try to enter a serial number it crash |
| 21:43.57 | n3kl | nsm: there are really greate docs on installing vmware on linux. |
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| 21:44.44 | nsm | i know how to install it, i just have a problem when i try to enter the serial number |
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| 21:45.04 | n3kl | nsm: get a valid serial number |
| 21:45.09 | nsm | i have one |
| 21:45.15 | nsm | its from vmware |
| 21:45.15 | n3kl | so whats the problem |
| 21:45.23 | nsm | its a trial for 30 days |
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| 21:45.39 | n3kl | nsm: which product? |
| 21:45.41 | xushi | valdyn: i owe you a pint :) wols_ i'll give you one in Lut Gholein :) |
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| 21:46.06 | nsm | vmware workstation 6 build 93057 |
| 21:46.14 | Freed | helo...i m newbie on debian and wanna know wt mean that line of lspci: |
| 21:46.15 | Freed | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) |
| 21:46.26 | n3kl | nsm: workstation is free. How can it be a 30 day trial? |
| 21:46.39 | nsm | free? |
| 21:46.42 | nsm | no its not |
| 21:46.43 | Maliuta | Freed: run update-pciids |
| 21:46.59 | Freed | ok... i dont know do that |
| 21:47.16 | n3kl | nsm: maybe not. |
| 21:47.36 | Freed | may i need upgrade kernel? |
| 21:47.52 | Maliuta | Freed: it's no difficult, as root or with sudo you run update-pciids |
| 21:47.56 | wols_ | Freed: update-pciids |
| 21:48.21 | Freed | just type that command |
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| 21:48.42 | Maliuta | Freed: and then go and get a clue |
| 21:48.51 | n3kl | nsm: #vmware might be able ot help you |
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| 21:49.02 | nsm | ok thanks a lot |
| 21:49.05 | hedos | Concerning my video card problems, here's a puzzling error in my log files : Jul 1 17:26:20 hedlap kernel: [fglrx:firegl_lock] *ERROR* Process 17647 is using illegal context 0x00000032 |
| 21:49.12 | hedos | That seems to happen when I launch a 3d application. |
| 21:49.13 | wols_ | Freed: it's an attansic L1 ethernet controller. yes you need a newer kernel |
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| 21:49.18 | wols_ | !tell Freed about backports |
| 21:49.20 | Freed | hum... |
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| 21:49.23 | jd__ | can someone suggest an app tomonitor disk space , bandwidth etc via snmp? |
| 21:49.37 | Freed | :( |
| 21:50.03 | n3kl | lighten up |
| 21:50.22 | n3kl | jd__: cacti |
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| 21:50.30 | jd__ | n3kl: thanks ill check it out |
| 21:51.15 | n3kl | jd__: its simple, I like it |
| 21:51.28 | terragna | hey - i'm looking for an alternative for webmin.. i've read up on ebox. is this a good solution? i just need something simple to manage a few services on a debian box of mine. any help is appreciated! thanks. |
| 21:51.29 | Freed | i m just newbie user linux not a server administrator ...maybe this easy step for you isn tto me... ;) |
| 21:51.43 | n3kl | terragna: try vi =] |
| 21:51.44 | xushi | strange, the videos work when mplayer is run as root, but error on video output when run from user.. even though user is in the video group |
| 21:52.01 | n3kl | Freed: patience. Nothing is personal. |
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| 21:52.29 | terragna | good answer, but it's not going to work for these situation |
| 21:52.36 | n3kl | WHy not? |
| 21:52.41 | terragna | does that matter? |
| 21:52.51 | Freed | ok... i m following the guide steps |
| 21:52.52 | n3kl | perhaps you could explain what webmin does not do fo ryou |
| 21:52.57 | scatterp | i have a intel wifi card ipwraw-ng loaded how do i unload that driver and load ipw3495 driver ? |
| 21:53.04 | scatterp | sorry |
| 21:53.08 | n3kl | scatterp: rmmod |
| 21:53.09 | scatterp | iwl3495 |
| 21:53.17 | vadmeste | Freed: does your Ethernet work ? |
| 21:53.20 | n3kl | scatterp: rather, man rmmod |
| 21:53.27 | stew | scatterp: modprobe -r modulename |
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| 21:53.31 | terragna | from what ive read about webmin, i havent gotten to best impression from it |
| 21:53.35 | terragna | will it be okay to use? |
| 21:53.40 | vadmeste | sure not |
| 21:53.43 | DexterF | et: that did it, thanks! |
| 21:53.45 | stew | terragna: no, webmin is not ok to use |
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| 21:53.53 | stew | scatterp: are you saying you want to switch from iwl3945 to ipw3945? |
| 21:54.02 | scatterp | stew modprobe -r driver1 ; modprobe driver2 ? |
| 21:54.06 | n3kl | terragna: I have seen people use it in teh past, semms like it did a good job |
| 21:54.09 | scatterp | stew yeah |
| 21:54.21 | Guerin | n3kl: you lose |
| 21:54.24 | stew | scatterp: yes. but why would you want to switch? iwl3945 is newer and works better |
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| 21:54.40 | n3kl | terragna: I still prefer to config my systems by hand |
| 21:54.44 | n3kl | Guerin: loose? |
| 21:54.46 | scatterp | stew neither "works" :( |
| 21:54.52 | terragna | i understand and i appreciate that, but right now i dont have time |
| 21:55.00 | Freed | no...now im annother machine |
| 21:55.00 | scatterp | ipwraw-ng does not work with kismet |
| 21:55.04 | terragna | so i was just trying to get some opinions |
| 21:55.08 | Guerin | n3kl: the opposite of `win', not the opposite of `tight' |
| 21:55.12 | n3kl | terragna: you could always google " webmin vs" |
| 21:55.14 | scatterp | and iwl3495 does not inject |
| 21:55.24 | stew | scatterp: inject? |
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| 21:55.36 | n3kl | Guerin: you a funny man today huh? =] |
| 21:55.37 | scatterp | stew packet injection... |
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| 21:55.45 | Freed | i cant do that.. |
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| 21:55.57 | Freed | no internet connection on linux pc |
| 21:56.10 | hedos | Help! I'm been spanned by "Soundserver - The KDE Crash Handler" boxes every 10 seconds. |
| 21:56.13 | hedos | spammed* |
| 21:56.13 | terragna | ok thanks |
| 21:56.25 | hedos | It seems my sound system crashes but just try again and again. |
| 21:56.32 | hedos | I can hardly type because the pop-up interrupts me. |
| 21:56.33 | n3kl | scatterp: are you sure that the ipw driver does? |
| 21:56.34 | Guerin | hedos: killall -9 kdm |
| 21:56.36 | Freed | i need to input a module without connection |
| 21:56.40 | Guerin | hedos: problem solved |
| 21:56.49 | scatterp | n3kl i just did it yes |
| 21:57.00 | hedos | Guerin, "no process killed" |
| 21:57.15 | n3kl | scatterp: there is pretty much only one reason someone would want packet injection. |
| 21:57.20 | Guerin | hedos: ok, i guess you must not be using kdm, then. Try gdm |
| 21:57.30 | n3kl | You lose! |
| 21:57.55 | Guerin | n3kl: at least I don't advise people to use webmin. |
| 21:57.56 | scatterp | n3kl im trying to get aircrack working against my wireless |
| 21:58.02 | hedos | Guerin, thanks! |
| 21:58.03 | Guerin | scatterp: of course you are. |
| 21:58.17 | scatterp | n3kl after i want to get wpa rainbow table |
| 21:58.22 | n3kl | Guerin: yeah, can I never recover? |
| 21:58.34 | n3kl | scatterp: look into backtrack |
| 21:58.35 | Guerin | hedos: now, if it carries on when you log back in, try to fix the problem. Ask #kde how. |
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| 21:58.43 | Freed | vadmeste: i have input new module without connection and dont know how!!! |
| 21:58.47 | hedos | Guerin, ok, thanks! |
| 21:58.48 | scatterp | and then prove to my dad that he should use filtering and not wpa/wpe on hes router |
| 21:58.57 | Guerin | n3kl: it will take seven years of hard labour in the #debian mines to rehabilitate you from this heinous crime |
| 21:59.04 | scatterp | it currently has 6 fans and turns off weakly |
| 21:59.10 | n3kl | Guerin: you crackup |
| 21:59.16 | scatterp | and he wont except its hes stupid config |
| 21:59.17 | vadmeste | Freed: there are no other solution, you have to download newer kernel |
| 21:59.33 | Freed | are you sure? |
| 21:59.44 | scatterp | bt3 dont work with my card kernel wont support iwl3495 |
| 21:59.45 | n3kl | Is it anyone actaual job to support this channel? |
| 21:59.54 | Guerin | i have 16 wireless access points visible from my bedroom |
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| 22:00.08 | Guerin | 4 are unencrypted or encrypted only with WEP |
| 22:00.08 | Freed | vadmeste: manual compilation wouldn t work? |
| 22:00.17 | vadmeste | Freed: I am not sure if newer kernel will include driver for your ethernet card |
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| 22:00.48 | bonez44 | wols_: I have access to my linux box.. which .log file was it, I need to look at? |
| 22:01.08 | Freed | vadmeste: and is it over? |
| 22:01.18 | n3kl | Freed: what ethernet card? |
| 22:01.32 | n3kl | Freed: is this a desktop or a laptop? |
| 22:01.33 | stew | Freed: a kernel from backports should support your ethernet with the 'atl1' module |
| 22:01.38 | Freed | n3kl: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) |
| 22:01.46 | n3kl | balls |
| 22:01.54 | stew | atl1 0x00001969 0x00001048 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 22:02.13 | n3kl | stew: roger wilco |
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| 22:02.27 | Freed | n3kl: desk |
| 22:02.40 | Freed | lan card onboard |
| 22:02.47 | n3kl | Freed: have another nic on hand you can throw in it? |
| 22:03.11 | Freed | n3kl: unfortunaly not |
| 22:03.23 | Guerin | Freed: go buy one for $5 |
| 22:03.31 | Freed | ;) |
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| 22:03.51 | Freed | tomorrow..nut now there is no solution? |
| 22:03.55 | Guerin | Freed: try update-pciids, or google those numbers |
| 22:04.02 | stew | there is no need to do either |
| 22:04.13 | Freed | i cant connect |
| 22:04.15 | n3kl | Freed: You learn to make your purchases based on linux compatibility. |
| 22:04.22 | stew | Freed: there is a solution, install 2.6.24 from backports.org or etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 22:04.31 | stew | his card is linux compatible |
| 22:04.36 | Guerin | oh, you know what card it is? |
| 22:04.38 | Freed | yes |
| 22:04.40 | stew | yes |
| 22:04.46 | Guerin | it's like magic! |
| 22:04.54 | stew | not really |
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| 22:05.19 | stew | Freed: you can also get an installer that supports this card: /msg dpkg etchnhalf or /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 22:06.02 | bonez44 | wols_: Here's my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/1059969 |
| 22:06.13 | scatterp | i managed to stop my current driver but not start the old one i followed these instructions to install my old driver what would be the driver name modprobe ???????? http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=iwl3945 |
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| 22:07.49 | n3kl | how many question marks is that? |
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| 22:08.13 | n3kl | scatterp: lsmod | grep ipw |
| 22:08.13 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yeah, that seems resonable |
| 22:08.51 | scatterp | n3kl no output |
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| 22:09.10 | n3kl | scatterp: did you try to load the correct module now? modprobe ipw???? |
| 22:09.14 | scatterp | yes |
| 22:09.20 | scatterp | not found.. |
| 22:09.21 | n3kl | scatterp: and what happens? |
| 22:09.41 | bonez44 | http://pastebin.ca/1059969 NE1? care to hazard a guess why my GUI won't load? |
| 22:09.42 | n3kl | scatterp: what card is it? |
| 22:09.44 | odla | bonez44: you have a via driver? |
| 22:09.53 | scatterp | FATAL: Module ipw3495 not found. |
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| 22:09.53 | scatterp | intel 3495 |
| 22:09.54 | odla | bonez44: i mean a via chrome card |
| 22:10.18 | bonez44 | odla: no, I have tried to download various ones..and chrome too, and I have run the routines to install them, but still doesn't want to load any GUI for etch |
| 22:10.37 | odla | bonez44: what card of video card do you have? |
| 22:10.50 | wols_ | bonez44: use vesa |
| 22:11.18 | odla | bonez44: yeah you can use vesa ... but if you have a via card i would suggest using openchrome as it works much better |
| 22:11.44 | n3kl | scatterp: that should tell you that the module is not installed |
| 22:11.57 | scatterp | ok i will reinstall it |
| 22:12.09 | n3kl | scatterp: do you mean ipw3945? |
| 22:12.19 | n3kl | scatterp: how are you installing it? |
| 22:12.21 | bonez44 | wols_: how do I select VESA? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 22:12.47 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:12.51 | scatterp | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=iwl3945#iwl3945 this guide |
| 22:12.56 | bonez44 | ok.. |
| 22:13.17 | scatterp | n3kl, since i already did it i guess i just follow steps 6,7,8 ? |
| 22:13.22 | wols_ | !tell scatterp about ipw3495 |
| 22:13.33 | n3kl | scatterp: its a non debian patch to support packet injection. Good luck |
| 22:13.43 | Freed | how knows wt hardware this command"04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0)" specifies? |
| 22:13.43 | wols_ | scatterp: such module does not exist anywhere. what chip is this exactly? |
| 22:14.08 | n3kl | scatterp: though, to find out if the driver is in the right place, you might: fine /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname "*ipw*" |
| 22:14.09 | scatterp | intel 3945 |
| 22:14.13 | wols_ | scatterp: what kernel do you have? |
| 22:14.21 | valdyn | Freed: run update-pciids as root and try again |
| 22:14.23 | scatterp | wols_, i installed the module by following the instructions at that site |
| 22:14.27 | odla | bonez44: or as root edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the Section "Device" and change Driver "via" to Driver "vesa" (or whatever is currently there). |
| 22:14.39 | scatterp | 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 22:14.54 | wols_ | scatterp: then ask them for help. not us |
| 22:14.56 | n3kl | Freed: I thought you knew what device this was? |
| 22:15.01 | wols_ | !tell scatterp about iwl3945 |
| 22:15.06 | Freed | yes |
| 22:15.25 | bonez44 | odla: ok... |
| 22:15.25 | Freed | but how did yuo make that? |
| 22:15.29 | wols_ | valdyn: I told him the device |
| 22:15.30 | scatterp | n3kl, ok |
| 22:15.34 | n3kl | Freed: make what? |
| 22:15.52 | n3kl | wols_: what device? |
| 22:15.53 | Freed | found name of my hardware? |
| 22:15.59 | Freed | !!! |
| 22:16.00 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:16.11 | wols_ | < Freed> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) |
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| 22:16.17 | wols_ | that's why I know |
| 22:16.19 | bonez44 | odla: thanks.. |
| 22:16.21 | wols_ | Freed: PCI IDs are unique |
| 22:16.34 | nevyn | google the numbers at the end |
| 22:16.34 | valdyn | Freed: http://pciids.sourceforget.net/ |
| 22:16.35 | Freed | hum |
| 22:16.36 | wols_ | Freed: and yours is a Attansic L1 |
| 22:16.41 | nevyn | or that. |
| 22:16.43 | Freed | ok |
| 22:16.49 | wols_ | Freed: or run update-pciids |
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| 22:17.27 | wols_ | Freed: and I told you you need a newer kernel and gave you the backports factoid which is where you get said new kernel |
| 22:17.28 | Freed | wols_: i cant run update-pciids...there is no connection |
| 22:17.51 | wols_ | Freed: I long ago told you what you need |
| 22:18.06 | Freed | ok |
| 22:18.29 | wols_ | get the 2.6.24 kernel from backports.org |
| 22:18.42 | scatterp | i found it ... /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko |
| 22:18.42 | scatterp | does that help ? |
| 22:19.10 | wols_ | scatterp: that is the driver for your card, yes |
| 22:19.26 | scatterp | so modprobe iwl3945 should work ? |
| 22:19.34 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:19.50 | stew | Freed: you don't need to run update-pciids, if you did, it would change "Unknown device 1969:1048" into something different, but nothing else would really change. you can use this device iff you get a new kernel |
| 22:19.55 | wols_ | scatterp: maybe you should start reading the factoid dpkg gave you |
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| 22:20.12 | wols_ | stew: he wanted to know how we found out |
| 22:20.24 | scatterp | hmm theres something very wrong here :( |
| 22:20.38 | scatterp | FATAL: Error inserting iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 22:20.55 | scatterp | this same driver was working before :( |
| 22:21.00 | Freed | ok |
| 22:21.01 | stew | Freed: i found out by running "grep "1969.*1048" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" on a machine running 2.6.24 |
| 22:21.25 | wols_ | scatterp: maybe you should do what the error message says? |
| 22:21.31 | lymeca | My FUSE is all funky in Etch. Every time I reboot I have to run " mknod /dev/fuse c 10 229 " otherwise I get errors about how /dev/fuse doesn't exist. And then I have to change permissions so that others can write to it. Then I have to load the kernel module. |
| 22:21.34 | scatterp | i did ton of errors |
| 22:21.35 | lymeca | THEN fuse works! |
| 22:21.40 | CNerone | I all, a question to you: I obtain different "answers" running "aptitude -t stable upgrade" and "aptitude -t etch upgrade". Isn't "etch" the stable release name? thanks |
| 22:21.42 | lymeca | Why do I have to do all of this every time I boot up? |
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| 22:21.56 | wols_ | lymeca: how did you install fuse? |
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| 22:22.05 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f3dfcfe12 this is what i see |
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| 22:22.11 | lymeca | wols_: Packages in Etch main |
| 22:22.59 | lymeca | 'libfuse2' and 'fuse-utils' |
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| 22:25.47 | scatterp | im going to reboot maybe that will help :S |
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| 22:26.11 | themill | scatterp: didn't liable spend most of today trying to get your wireless working? wtf did you do to break it? |
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| 22:26.55 | bonez44 | wols_: I tried that..switched it from "via" to "vesa" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. rebooted..nothing..still doesn't want to load gdm.. also ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. and still no loading any GUI |
| 22:27.30 | jberg | hm, how long does memtest86 usually take? |
| 22:28.05 | et | until you quit it |
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| 22:29.03 | scatterp | themill well the wireless we had working before... did not work for injection so i installed ipwraw and that worked just fine now i try to go back in to kismet only to find out kismet does not support ipwraw and only supports iwl3945 so i did modprobe -r ipwrar then modprobe iwl3945 which didnt work i got error module not found so i then did steps 6,7,8 from here http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=iwl3945#iwl3945 a |
| 22:29.03 | scatterp | nd tryed to do modprobe iwl3945 again |
| 22:29.03 | scatterp | FATAL: Error inserting iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 22:29.35 | scatterp | themill, and this is dmesg http://pastebin.com/f258beddd |
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| 22:30.55 | themill | scatterp: I know nothing about kismet. I also like to spend my time helping people use their machines rather than actively break them. I also prefer to help people who don't look like they're doing things they shouldn't be doing. Sorry. |
| 22:31.38 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 22:32.08 | Guerin | I consider the ability to figure out how to do potentially-illegal actions a good primary triage for preventing idiots from doing them. |
| 22:32.30 | assasukasse | is away: Screenshot of Elive: http://elivecd.org/Main/Screenshots |
| 22:32.39 | themill | dpkg: tell assasukasse about away |
| 22:33.16 | ArthurArchnix | so my gf's hp laptop has this design flaw, whereby it melts. So they fixed it by releasing a bios update which basically runs the fan all the time, just a decibibal within the "design specifications". I've been trying to underclock it and reduce heat anyway I can to make it run a bit quieter. Aside from investing in a laptop base that cools it, which could work, I looked into disabling CPU0 which runs 10 degrees hotter than |
| 22:33.18 | assasukasse | themill: sorry removed it |
| 22:33.24 | themill | thanks |
| 22:33.32 | ArthurArchnix | sweet jeebus... I didn't realize I wrote a book. |
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| 22:34.07 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: try to reduce CPU voltage |
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| 22:34.35 | ArthurArchnix | Doing that now. It does help a bit. But getting it stable is the tricky part. Skype has crashed a few times on her. |
| 22:34.40 | ArthurArchnix | Bushmills: ^^ |
| 22:35.09 | CNerone | I all, again, what differences between "aptitude -t stable upgrade" and "aptitud -t etch upgrade" one? |
| 22:35.15 | Guerin | ArthurArchnix: undervolt kernel patchset? |
| 22:35.17 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: should have a bigger effect on power dissipation than clock |
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| 22:37.30 | ArthurArchnix | Guerin: Sorry, I was detailing all my windows woes to garner some feedback on wether I ought to install debian on it. I run debian on my laptop, but I don't know how to apply patches to undervolt. However, I figure I could quite easily google my way into disabled one core. But before I went to all the trouble of trying to convince her to let me install debian, I thought I'd better ask here if people thought it would help. |
| 22:38.23 | ArthurArchnix | Disabling a core I mean. Average load is like 5% on both, so you gotta figure the second cooler core spends less time in a lower state. |
| 22:38.40 | ArthurArchnix | C3,C4... maybe it all washes out in the end. |
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| 22:45.29 | ArthurArchnix | Upon further reading... I think the best option would be for me to lock it in a throttled state, splitting the heat, undervolting... she gets to keep microsoft, I get to sleep without the airplane beside me |
| 22:46.13 | ArthurArchnix | appreciate the feedback Bushmills and Guerin.. seems everytime I come here I have some random new question, but I always get pointed in the right direction. |
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| 22:46.27 | ArthurArchnix | -->exit |
| 22:47.08 | Guerin | ok |
| 22:47.12 | Guerin | have fun with that |
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| 23:02.17 | ttimur | hi how do i make my sidemouse buttons to act as Back and Forth ? |
| 23:03.39 | Guerin | ttimur: google `"7 button mouse" x config |
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| 23:08.08 | MayerEugen1 | what would be the best way to install trac 11.2 on a debian etch stable system ? |
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| 23:09.02 | Guerin | MayerEugen1: is it available in sid? |
| 23:09.11 | MayerEugen1 | Guerin: checking |
| 23:09.56 | MayerEugen1 | not allowed to search Guerin, "trac is a to common keyword" |
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| 23:10.07 | Guerin | !info trac sid |
| 23:10.39 | dpkg | trac: (Enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects), section web, is optional. Version: 0.10.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 378 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB |
| 23:11.53 | MayerEugen1 | !info trac backports |
| 23:12.05 | abrotman | doesn't work |
| 23:12.09 | MayerEugen1 | :/ |
| 23:12.38 | MayerEugen1 | checked backports, nothing in there either |
| 23:12.45 | MayerEugen1 | so no other way then installing from source i guess |
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| 23:13.07 | Guerin | MayerEugen1: that version isn't anywhere in debain, so you'll need to use upstream sources. You can debianise them properly (/msg dpkg nm guide), or you can use checkinstall or somesuch to do a one-off local install. Good luck. |
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| 23:14.20 | MayerEugen1 | Guerin: thank you'! |
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| 23:16.53 | ugly | what package do I need in testing to use sun-java6 in firefox, etc.? debian guide mentions sun-java6-plugin, but apt-get says it's not available (I have non-free sources added) |
| 23:17.10 | Guerin | ugly: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:18.06 | ugly | well, that mentions sun-java6-plugin too, so.. same problem |
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| 23:19.42 | Ygg_NM5DV | is there a way to wget an entire directory ? |
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| 23:19.52 | \amethyst | ugly: you're doing amd64 or i386? |
| 23:19.57 | ugly | amphi: amd64 |
| 23:20.03 | ugly | er, \amethyst |
| 23:20.06 | ugly | too many nicks here :P |
| 23:20.16 | \amethyst | !java 64 |
| 23:20.19 | \amethyst | !java amd64 |
| 23:20.20 | dpkg | To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 23:20.27 | \amethyst | there is no 64-bit java plugin |
| 23:20.31 | ugly | ahh |
| 23:21.03 | \amethyst | ugly: and no 32-bit-on-amd64 java packages that I'm aware of to use nspluginwrapper with |
| 23:21.12 | halflife | hello folks i am using iwl3945 driver and firmware from the non-free section. i have run into the iwl3945: Can't stop Rx DMA. error and the bug seems to be worked on upstream http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1593 , if there is a patch to the kernel in a later version would it be backported to the kernel in lenny ? |
| 23:21.17 | ugly | ok, I don't want to find out my WPM so badly that I'm willing to go through that :D |
| 23:21.32 | \amethyst | ugly: you could try the gcj plugin |
| 23:21.40 | ugly | oh yeah, I might |
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| 23:25.53 | Bertl | greetings! where can I find ntpdate and/or how can I get a debian lenny/sid install to sync with an ntpd server (currently openntpd installed)? |
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| 23:32.12 | scatterp | can any one help me set up sshd ? |
| 23:32.38 | Bertl | what's the problem there? |
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| 23:33.07 | scatterp | bertl i want to set up sshd |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | scatterp: install it .. aptitude install openssh-server |
| 23:34.33 | peterrooney | Bertl: apt-get install ntp-simple |
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| 23:34.58 | scatterp | thx |
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| 23:35.08 | CaT[t3] | rofl :) |
| 23:35.23 | peterrooney | damn it, ^W STILL isn't eraseword in xchat! |
| 23:35.57 | CaT[t3] | yeah. i hate that. get bitten in a lot of software with that one. luckily in seamonkey/firefox at least I can make mewnu items use alt instead |
| 23:35.58 | peterrooney | Bertl: and apt-get install ntp-doc for changing conf file |
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| 23:37.09 | cwraig | does anyone know how i can automaticly print a document placed in a folder (jpeg pdf etc) |
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| 23:37.35 | scatterp | can some one check if they can ssh 82.45.230.126 |
| 23:37.41 | scatterp | (my ip) |
| 23:37.51 | ddalton | is there a script that runs when the box shuts down or reboots? I I want to add some lines to pumount everything. |
| 23:38.08 | Bertl | scatterp: user/passwd? |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | scatterp: why don't you try ? |
| 23:38.27 | scatterp | bertl i just want to know if it requests one |
| 23:38.41 | Bertl | hehe, yep, works |
| 23:38.42 | cwraig | scatterp: got your keys waiting for username & password |
| 23:38.49 | scatterp | abrotman, its not always a real test sometimes as i am local its routed diffrently |
| 23:38.58 | scatterp | thanks Bertl |
| 23:38.58 | scatterp | thanks abrotman |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | cwraig: a script that you write that checks contents and prints and deletes |
| 23:39.09 | Bushmills | scatterp: 82.45.230.126 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, summary: keys found: 0, weak keys: 0 |
| 23:39.30 | scatterp | thanks cwraig |
| 23:39.42 | scatterp | Bushmills, oh i have the non predictable version ? |
| 23:39.54 | cwraig | abrotman: so i should be writing it by hand? something that reads the directory & points to a printing application? |
| 23:40.18 | Bushmills | scatterp: there's no host key |
| 23:40.19 | abrotman | cwraig: i'm not aware of anything else .. apt-cache search print directory ? |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | which doens't give anything useful |
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| 23:40.57 | scatterp | ok |
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| 23:49.35 | Freed | ok...i realy tried so hARd but i dont know wt line commands i have typen in!!!! |
| 23:49.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | o_o |
| 23:50.17 | Freed | to install my inknow device |
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| 23:51.24 | abrotman | wt? |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | your what? |
| 23:51.39 | Freed | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) |
| 23:51.55 | abrotman | does internet work at all? |
| 23:51.56 | Freed | attansic l1 |
| 23:52.00 | Freed | no |
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| 23:52.16 | abrotman | google? |
| 23:52.16 | Freed | i m at laptop |
| 23:52.28 | abrotman | atl2 driver? |
| 23:52.58 | Freed | atl1 |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 23:53.38 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 23:53.47 | infinitycircuit | Freed: you need kenrel 2.6.21 or better |
| 23:53.59 | Freed | 2.6.18 |
| 23:54.07 | infinitycircuit | atl1.sourceforge.net |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | Freed: try the kmuto installer |
| 23:55.10 | Freed | someone suggettions? |
| 23:55.27 | Freed | more sugestions? |
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| 23:55.49 | infinitycircuit | Freed: did you try kmuto? if that fails you can use a lenny beta installer image and go with testing |
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| 23:58.47 | ttimur | hi canu plz help me my CUPS server does not work |
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| 23:59.22 | ttimur | I keep getting cups server CUPS server error |
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| 23:59.25 | T_X | hi there! I get annoying kernel-messages on my terminal console (usually in reference to my bluetooth headset or wlan-device (iwl4965)). I tried some things in the /etc/syslog.conf but this didn't help so far |
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