| 00:00.12 | infinitycircuit | T_X: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomment the line kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
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| 00:12.54 | Sertse | hi, something trivial, but how do you get nautilus to open all things in "file browser" style, (with the side bar, buttons on top etc). |
| 00:12.59 | humbolt | what does Events in the output of mdadm -Q -D stand for? |
| 00:13.23 | infinitycircuit | Sertse: in contrast to what? opening each folder in a new window? |
| 00:13.44 | Sertse | you notice nautilis opens differently when you open it from applications->system tools, vs double clicking icons... opening from place->your drive |
| 00:13.46 | Sertse | yea... |
| 00:14.15 | infinitycircuit | you can try Edit -> Preferences, click on Behaviour, chcek the box that says "Always open in browser windows" |
| 00:14.24 | infinitycircuit | i haven't used nautilus in a long time though |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | Sertse: i told you before .. try 'xfe' |
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| 00:16.53 | Sertse | ok.... heh |
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| 00:20.09 | Sertse | but the issue is changing default behaviour when you double click icons / open from places menu. Not relevant if you need to deliberately launch it first. |
| 00:20.33 | infinitycircuit | Sertse: i would try the gnome irc servers |
| 00:20.48 | infinitycircuit | i use bash and kde4 dolphin myself haha |
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| 00:24.40 | humbolt | Is there something wrong with the way etch does partition a driver? |
| 00:25.05 | humbolt | Especially as far as raid setups are concerned? |
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| 00:26.31 | markvandenborre | I seem to have managed to kill get apt _very_ confused |
| 00:27.18 | markvandenborre | http://pastie.org/225936 |
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| 00:29.47 | markvandenborre | aww, filesystem errors |
| 00:29.51 | markvandenborre | readonly filesystem |
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| 00:31.07 | abrotman | markvandenborre: you know where to start ? |
| 00:31.27 | micols | how do i get fstab to mounnt my nfs shares 'exec' ? |
| 00:31.41 | micols | they're always noexec, it doesnt recognize defaults or exec in fstab file, mount |
| 00:31.46 | micols | but mount - o exec works |
| 00:32.03 | micols | makes no sense if this bug has been around for this long. |
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| 00:32.04 | abrotman | so man fstab .. you can add the exec option to the fstab |
| 00:32.09 | micols | had this problem for years |
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| 00:32.29 | micols | abrotman: i guess i have man'ed fstab more than you ;) |
| 00:32.41 | micols | as i just said i tried 'exec' in the file |
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| 00:33.20 | micols | it is not recognized by mount, apparently. but mount -o exec nfsshare works. |
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| 00:33.35 | micols | the default is even exec, so if i add defaults option in fstab it should mount exec. |
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| 00:34.08 | markvandenborre | abrotman: thx for the help |
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| 00:35.29 | \amethyst | micols: strange... is the underlying FS on the server noexec or something? |
| 00:36.07 | MyNick1 | ; /n |
| 00:36.24 | micols | \amethyst: that was my first thought, didnt check its fstab though, i only checked my exports for some reason |
| 00:36.30 | micols | let me check, 2sec, might well be. |
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| 00:36.54 | micols | \amethyst: defaults, errors=remount-ro |
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| 00:37.18 | MyNick1 | ; /n |
| 00:37.23 | micols | and its ext3, export says rw,sync,insecure,no_subtree_check |
| 00:37.25 | \amethyst | micols: wait, you're not putting spaces in your options are you? |
| 00:37.40 | micols | no \amethyst |
| 00:37.44 | \amethyst | oh, ok |
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| 00:38.14 | micols | i shouldnt need to add ,exec to exports should i? |
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| 00:38.20 | micols | didnt see that one anywhere. |
| 00:38.28 | \amethyst | micols: shouldn't need to, no |
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| 00:39.10 | micols | i just checked mount , it is mounted rw on the server, and no noexec |
| 00:39.31 | \amethyst | micols: what does your fstab line on the client look like? |
| 00:39.56 | MyNick1 | ; /n |
| 00:40.38 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m146074d8 |
| 00:41.29 | \amethyst | micols: user implies noexec |
| 00:41.56 | \amethyst | micols: so if you want user and exec, the exec option has to come after user |
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| 00:42.03 | \amethyst | micols: rw,auto,user,exec should work |
| 00:42.25 | \amethyst | micols: I suspect you were trying exec,rw,auto,user before? |
| 00:42.37 | micols | yes |
| 00:42.49 | ttimur | Hello canu plz help me with CUPS |
| 00:43.34 | micols | heh \amethyst it works now thanks, but i even think i tried that user,exec |
| 00:43.41 | micols | but i think i did ,exec,user :D |
| 00:43.45 | micols | hehe |
| 00:43.54 | micols | of course.. |
| 00:43.59 | ttimur | Hi can u heklp me plz i am getting cups error |
| 00:44.25 | \amethyst | ttimur: maybe, and if we can't, ##cups might be able to. You'll have to pastebin the error at the very least, though |
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| 00:44.41 | micols | dont know why i always wanted that user last, when it should be first, so i can override its defaults, like defaults should be firsti i f i want to override on that one. |
| 00:45.23 | \amethyst | micols: I had forgotten about user implying noexec, so I would have had the same problem |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | !tell ttimur about ask |
| 00:45.28 | ttimur | When i go to http://localhost:631/ ICeweasel says that it can not establish connection to the server |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | ttimur: and try speaking english |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | ttimur: is CUPS installed? |
| 00:45.46 | ttimur | abrotman, yes it is |
| 00:45.52 | micols | \amethyst: hehe the worst is that i did read that it implied noexec, but still i forgot to add overriding arguments -after- it :) |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | ttimur: did you configure it? |
| 00:46.07 | micols | i think i did read it at least, it did ring a bell. |
| 00:46.11 | ttimur | abrotman, i probably can't confifure it |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | try? |
| 00:46.25 | \amethyst | abrotman: normally you configure it by connecting to port 631 |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | tried something other that freifox ? |
| 00:46.28 | ttimur | abrotman, how do i configure "it" ? |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | erm . iceweasel |
| 00:46.48 | infinitycircuit | ttimur: is cups started? /etc/init.d/cups restart |
| 00:46.58 | infinitycircuit | or do you have a restrictive firewall? |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | ttimur: netstat -an | grep 631 .. see anything ? |
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| 00:48.25 | ttimur | I am getting this http://pastebin.com/m51510a11 |
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| 00:48.35 | ttimur | abrotman, yes i SEE "somthing" |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | i didn't ask you for that |
| 00:49.02 | abrotman | ttimur: oh .. when you restart |
| 00:49.14 | abrotman | ttimur: touch /etc/cups/cupsys.conf |
| 00:49.35 | ttimur | abrotman, I see that touch /etc/cups/cupsys.conf |
| 00:49.45 | ttimur | abrotman, I mean I see that http://pastebin.com/m347dcd77 |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | no .. that's a command |
| 00:50.02 | abrotman | touch /etc/cups/cupsys.conf |
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| 00:51.16 | ttimur | abrotman, Oh now it is WORKING !!! |
| 00:51.38 | ttimur | abrotman, thx a lot what was that ... so i can add it to my notepad of thin gs about linux ! |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | is it really working ? |
| 00:51.54 | ttimur | abrotman, yeah not it is working ! |
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| 00:52.04 | abrotman | thin gs .. like an apple ][ gs |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | ttimur: can you configure it now ? |
| 00:52.20 | ttimur | abrotman, yes |
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| 00:52.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:52.47 | Bushmills | main purpose of error message is to look nice |
| 00:52.50 | Bushmills | :) |
| 00:53.24 | ttimur | abrotman, what was the problem with it ? |
| 00:53.25 | Lagbolt | Is their a XEN enabled kernel for lenny? i see the -xen kerns are available but doesnt seem to cooperate and I see a few sights mentioning that xen is not compiled in? |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | ttimur: i don't own a printer |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | Lagbolt: think it's builtin now .. check the kernel config |
| 00:53.58 | ttimur | abrotman, why it would not restart before touch /etc/cups/cupsys.conf ... and what does that command do ? |
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| 00:54.46 | abrotman | it just created the file .. |
| 00:55.04 | cafuego | Lagbolt: linux-image-2.6.24-19-xen as far as I can tell. |
| 00:55.12 | rendar | well..i cant understood that i can't install compiz in my debian stable :( |
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| 00:55.23 | abrotman | cafuego: i thought they aall had it now ? |
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| 00:55.53 | cafuego | abrotman: Really? That seems odd. Still, I don;'t run a deb dom0 so i dunno |
| 00:55.55 | Lagbolt | abrotman, looks like it is, but i am thinking maybe there is more to it. i tried with a custom built kern as well. same options as the xen kern. thinking the problem is possibly with the xen-3.2-1-i386.gz in /boot? |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | cafuego: don't ask me |
| 00:56.09 | ttimur | abrotman, I decided to try Iranian distro based on Debian Etch ... it is pretty good so far |
| 00:56.11 | rendar | people on #compiz-fusion told me that i can install compiz only in debian unstable or testing |
| 00:56.26 | vorpal | cafuego: are you running rhel? |
| 00:56.27 | cafuego | abrotman: it's a rather hefty patch set. I expect kvm is enabled byde fault... but not Xen I don't think. |
| 00:56.33 | Lagbolt | using the 2.6.18 xen kern and it boots no trouble but the 24 xen kern panics |
| 00:56.36 | cafuego | vorpal: Nope |
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| 00:56.57 | vorpal | the rhel config tools for xen are very easy to use |
| 00:57.00 | cafuego | Lagbolt: Yeah, I've had that issue too... the 3.1 hyperviror worked OK for me with the .24 kernel. |
| 00:57.13 | cafuego | vorpal: xen-create-image ftw |
| 00:57.19 | vorpal | ;-) |
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| 00:57.22 | Lagbolt | cafuego, ah maybe the problem is the 3.2 hypervis |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | cafuego: nope .. i was wrong |
| 00:57.31 | cafuego | doesn't need a virt-manager clicky gui |
| 00:57.47 | cafuego | Lagbolt: Well, it's worth a go anwyay. |
| 00:57.56 | Lagbolt | cafuego, thanks i will give it a shot |
| 00:58.08 | cafuego | Lagbolt: 3.2 with .24 worked OK here on a box *without* hw virt extensions btw. |
| 00:58.31 | cafuego | I get the impression it's all a tad slapdash. |
| 00:58.43 | cafuego | SO the production server can stay on 3.0 for now ;-) |
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| 00:59.37 | Lagbolt | i see. i just wanted to try to run winblows with the HVM but not critical :) |
| 01:00.25 | cafuego | that worked OK here with .18 and 3.0 |
| 01:00.30 | ttimur | My Debian Etch Distro shows 22793 packages Listed ./... is that NORMAL ???? |
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| 01:01.05 | cafuego | Until Gigabyte patched the bios to disable svm anyway. |
| 01:01.07 | cafuego | ttimur: yes |
| 01:01.11 | Lagbolt | yeah .18 and 3.0 work fine for me as well. just wanted .24 but its no biggie. just curious about others success before i spent too much time on it |
| 01:01.19 | Bladesman | Yep. More than 22,000 |
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| 01:01.55 | cafuego | ttimur: For bonus points, find the configration that allows you to have as may as possibly of those installed and the amount of disk space it would use. |
| 01:01.56 | vorpal | question about dual-nic-setup. each interface is connected to the same subnet. by default, both interface were being configured as default routes, which was causing problems. i managed to solve this problem with routing policies (iproute2 tools), but now i want to know how to make my routing policies persist. can anyone advise in what script/config i need to put these commands? |
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| 01:02.25 | cafuego | vorpal: To be honest, I'd use bonding and make them one single nic |
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| 01:02.41 | cafuego | vorpal: If you're not multi-homing anyway |
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| 01:03.54 | vorpal | cafuego: i'm binding different services to each interface |
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| 01:05.33 | vorpal | cafuego: but i have used ethernet bonding successfully before, so i realize how handy it is |
| 01:06.02 | Bladesman | Sounds like a job for iptables, once you get the interfaces configged. Could be wrong, tho. |
| 01:06.10 | Tramp | vorpal: I think the right place would be a script in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 01:06.25 | rendar | hey, nobody can help me with compiz? :( |
| 01:06.27 | cafuego | vorpal: bonding + alias? :-) |
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| 01:06.47 | vorpal | mmmkay ;-) |
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| 01:07.07 | cafuego | less pain = more profit* |
| 01:07.14 | cafuego | * Some germans may disagree. |
| 01:07.20 | ieatpoop | will switching to JFS boost speed? |
| 01:07.32 | Nyle | hello |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | good evening |
| 01:07.53 | vorpal | Tramp, thanks for the suggestion. i will look into it |
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| 01:08.06 | Bushmills | ieatpoop: compared to ext2/3? |
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| 01:08.19 | cafuego | ieatpoop: yes, it will magically overclock your cpu by a factor of 3. |
| 01:08.31 | ieatpoop | yeah |
| 01:08.40 | Bushmills | no, it won't |
| 01:08.53 | ieatpoop | wat bout xfs |
| 01:08.59 | ieatpoop | or reiserfs or ntfs or fat32 |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | ieatpoop: use the one you have |
| 01:09.14 | cafuego | Depends on your usage pattern. |
| 01:09.15 | Bushmills | ieatpoop: potentially faster writes, slower reads |
| 01:09.26 | twobitsprite | strange... I got a 404 from ftp.us.debian.org trying to install linux-libc-dev |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | ieatpoop: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 01:09.29 | Mantaar | ieatpoop: forget it. You're not a DB admin? so you're not interested in file system performance. At all. |
| 01:09.35 | cafuego | ieatpoop: I'd maybe try XFS, the others I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. |
| 01:09.36 | ieatpoop | i use ext3 |
| 01:09.41 | ieatpoop | y |
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| 01:09.50 | abrotman | ieatpoop: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 01:09.55 | daemon | ieatpoop, UFSv2 is pretty nice too |
| 01:10.01 | daemon | if you can use it |
| 01:10.02 | ieatpoop | 4 |
| 01:10.11 | daemon | oops wrong person |
| 01:10.16 | daemon | oh no :) |
| 01:10.32 | cafuego | ieatpoop: if you have a gazillion tiny files or lots of *huge* files, XFS may be a good choice. |
| 01:11.01 | cafuego | ieatpoop: otherwise, use ext3. |
| 01:11.16 | twobitsprite | ieatpoop: for normal usage, ext3 is just fine... trust me, you won't notice any difference (at least, until reiserfs crashes and takes your whole filesystem with it) |
| 01:11.19 | Bladesman | unsuccessfully tries to get the serial login setup in grub. |
| 01:11.31 | cafuego | ieatpoop: And when I say gazillion tiny files I mean: you run an NNTP server or mails erver with maildir mailboxes. |
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| 01:11.52 | ieatpoop | k i stick wit ext3 |
| 01:12.35 | Bushmills | though - depending on use and purpose - nilfs2 looks pretty interesting too. i have it currently in test here. |
| 01:12.45 | ieatpoop | ext4 is almost done i think |
| 01:13.07 | rsk | ieatpoop: ts'o uses it on his laptop now :) |
| 01:13.21 | rendar | reiserfs crashes? |
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| 01:13.29 | infinitycircuit | reiserfs/reiser4 take forever to mount |
| 01:13.30 | rsk | no, it sig'kill's :( |
| 01:13.38 | cafuego | rendar: yup |
| 01:13.46 | rendar | often? |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | reiser eats data |
| 01:14.03 | infinitycircuit | reiser is not reliable...don't even get started on reiser4 |
| 01:14.04 | vvd | yes, we can (fart) |
| 01:14.04 | Guerin | should rename it nomnomnomFS |
| 01:14.10 | cafuego | ieatpoop: You might be able to tweak your ext3 fs a bit, enable dir_index and increase the journal size. |
| 01:14.22 | ieatpoop | already have htrees enabled |
| 01:14.44 | cafuego | rendar: Well, for an FS, I'd call twice "often" so yes ;-) |
| 01:14.51 | rendar | i see! |
| 01:15.05 | rendar | but why reiserfs is not reliable? |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | the coders didn't care? |
| 01:15.25 | cafuego | rendar: buggy code prolly eh |
| 01:15.26 | ieatpoop | u mean murderfs? |
| 01:15.40 | rendar | you mean the implementation, or the algorithm in which it's based? |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | ieatpoop: NOT funny |
| 01:15.57 | cafuego | rendar: probably a bit of column a and a bit of column b. |
| 01:16.04 | rendar | oki |
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| 01:16.31 | cafuego | rendar: ... all of which will hopefully be solved in a sane way by ext4. |
| 01:16.57 | rendar | oh!! when ext4 will be released? |
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| 01:17.12 | rsk | rendar: in 3/4months maybe |
| 01:17.18 | cafuego | rendar: It's in the kernel now, so if you hate your data, feel free to use it. |
| 01:17.18 | rendar | that's great |
| 01:17.22 | Bushmills | i suppose not many of you had a look at nilfs yet. for those who don't know it, here's an overview: http://www.nilfs.org/en/about_nilfs.html |
| 01:17.40 | rendar | what about zfs? the solaris revolutionary 128 bit filesystem? |
| 01:17.44 | cafuego | rendar: Of course, an FS isn't stable unless it's not fucked up for 2 years after release. |
| 01:17.58 | rendar | cafuego : yes i totally agree |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | rendar: not in the kernel .. in FUSE |
| 01:18.06 | cafuego | rendar: That runs in FUSE on Linux and thus performs like poo stuck to a wall. |
| 01:18.07 | Bushmills | rendar: seems very slow on non-solaris |
| 01:18.23 | rendar | mmm sorry for my noobiness, but what is FUSE? |
| 01:18.33 | cafuego | userspace drivers |
| 01:18.37 | rendar | i see |
| 01:18.40 | cafuego | fuse specifically for filesystems |
| 01:18.49 | cafuego | it translates as: slow |
| 01:18.50 | rendar | oh i see |
| 01:18.57 | rendar | i think so |
| 01:19.12 | rendar | why there isn't a kernel module for zfs? |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | let me see if i can find Chris's article |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | rendar: not in the kernel .. in FUSE |
| 01:19.24 | Bushmills | zfs is not free |
| 01:19.26 | cafuego | rendar: licensing |
| 01:19.32 | rendar | abrotman : yes, i understood! |
| 01:19.39 | rendar | oh i see |
| 01:19.42 | rendar | kind of ntfs |
| 01:19.46 | twobitsprite | uh oh... installing ff3 from sid installed libc6 2.7-12 ... now everything is going to have to be pulled from sid :( |
| 01:19.48 | Guerin | well |
| 01:19.49 | Guerin | no |
| 01:20.00 | Guerin | twobitsprite: welcome to sid |
| 01:20.06 | Guerin | twobitsprite: you get to keep all the bits! |
| 01:20.32 | twobitsprite | how long does it usually take for a libc version to make it into testing? |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | depends on bugs .. |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | 2-10 days otherwise |
| 01:20.47 | \amethyst | Bushmills: it's not free? |
| 01:20.56 | Bushmills | twobitsprite: problem precedure reversal. instead if asking how to solve - you'll tell the rest how you solved problems :) |
| 01:21.03 | \amethyst | Bushmills: even the FSF considers the CDDL to be free... it's just not GPL-compatible |
| 01:21.04 | Bushmills | \amethyst: nope |
| 01:21.11 | cafuego | rendar: http://www.csamuel.org/articles/emerging-filesystems-200709/ |
| 01:21.12 | Guerin | right |
| 01:21.15 | twobitsprite | abrotman: ok, so maybe I can wait it out until it hits testing... |
| 01:21.18 | Guerin | it's just not linux-patible |
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| 01:21.33 | rendar | cafuego : thanks |
| 01:21.37 | abrotman | twobitsprite: uhm .. you could have done that with IW3 .. but you got greedy |
| 01:21.45 | Guerin | just another reason why CuDDLe is a retarded license, and another argument against license proliferation |
| 01:21.58 | twobitsprite | abrotman: greedy is such a strong word... curious is more like it |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | i really don't get it |
| 01:23.06 | Bladesman | Sokay. If no one supports it because of the licensing, it'll die like 16 bit OS'es. |
| 01:23.09 | rendar | i've a question: why debian stable doesn't let me to install some packages, while debian testing/unstable would let me? |
| 01:23.15 | \amethyst | Guerin: at least they didn't introduce a completely new license |
| 01:23.23 | stiv2k | How do I disable horizontal scrolling in Xorg.conf ? |
| 01:23.27 | Guerin | \amethyst: there are small mercies |
| 01:23.33 | twobitsprite | rendar: what packages and what problems are you having |
| 01:23.34 | Bladesman | rendar: Library support. |
| 01:23.42 | Guerin | Bladesman: the trouble is it's awesome |
| 01:23.52 | rendar | twobitsprite : i've problems with compiz |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | stiv2k: huh? |
| 01:23.59 | Guerin | Bladesman: it doesn't deserve to die, it deserves to be dual-licensed :) |
| 01:24.02 | \amethyst | Guerin: they just inherited Mozilla's stupidity, except Mozilla fixed it later :) |
| 01:24.16 | rendar | Bladesman : this means i can't have compiz in my debian stable? |
| 01:24.45 | twobitsprite | rendar: it's hard to have sympathy for you when you run stable and want the latest in eye-candy |
| 01:24.49 | \amethyst | isn't an old compiz in stable |
| 01:24.50 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 01:24.55 | Bladesman | refuses to have anything but open source, even if he has to get it from debian-unofficial. |
| 01:25.03 | \amethyst | and 0.5.2 is in backports |
| 01:25.05 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: I assumed so too... etch isn't that old... |
| 01:25.28 | twobitsprite | Bladesman: there are open source programs that aren't in debian??? |
| 01:25.54 | stiv2k | abrotman: got it, I was looking for Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" |
| 01:26.02 | cafuego | twobitsprite: lots |
| 01:26.05 | Guerin | twobitsprite: what does debian care for this `open source'? |
| 01:26.16 | infinitycircuit | i think twobitsprite is being sarcastic |
| 01:26.17 | cafuego | twobitsprite: And thre are options in open source progrms that aren't enbald in debian. |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | Bladesman: that doesn't make sense |
| 01:26.40 | Bladesman | Yes it does. I like bug fixes. |
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| 01:28.24 | rendar | twobitsprite : you're right, but i'm new in Debian phylosophy, and i didn't know these differences, why stable version is so "closed" about new packages' |
| 01:28.26 | rendar | ? |
| 01:29.17 | Bladesman | apt-get install /testing |
| 01:29.30 | rendar | uh? |
| 01:29.33 | Guerin | rendar: because something is only stable if it doesn't change |
| 01:29.35 | twobitsprite | rendar: because it's stable :) |
| 01:29.36 | Bushmills | rendar: it has to, or it wouldn't be stable |
| 01:29.46 | twobitsprite | !stable |
| 01:29.46 | dpkg | it has been said that stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. |
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| 01:30.29 | rendar | i see |
| 01:30.33 | simonrvn | stable is also a place to house farm animals |
| 01:30.38 | twobitsprite | strange... apt-file can't update... 404 |
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| 01:30.52 | rendar | can i convert my stable to unstable? |
| 01:30.59 | infinitycircuit | is there a difference between apt-get install linux-source-2.6 and apt-get source linux-image-2.6 |
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| 01:31.06 | twobitsprite | rendar: you want "testing"... unstable is very unsafe |
| 01:31.08 | Bushmills | rendar: can != want to |
| 01:31.10 | Guerin | rendar: it would be wiser to convert to testing. |
| 01:31.22 | Guerin | rendar: ask dpkg about etch->lenny |
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| 01:31.23 | twobitsprite | rendar: testing is between stable and unstable... |
| 01:31.43 | twobitsprite | !tell rendar about releases |
| 01:31.47 | rendar | i see |
| 01:32.01 | Bladesman | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the etch parts, aptget-update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:32.33 | Bladesman | prefers the smarter aptitude, tho. |
| 01:32.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:33.05 | rendar | Bladesman : i've to simply change the 'etch' string in 'lenny' in the source.list file?! |
| 01:33.06 | Guerin | don't use apt-get now, it's 2008 |
| 01:33.13 | cafuego | Unless you have 64Mb ram |
| 01:33.15 | Guerin | rendar: doi what I said - ask dpkg |
| 01:33.19 | rendar | ok |
| 01:33.28 | Bladesman | Yep. change etc to lenny, update, then dist-upgrade. |
| 01:33.29 | Guerin | cafuego: in which case you'r eirrelevant |
| 01:33.39 | rendar | if i understood well, etch=stable, lenny=testing, sid=unstable |
| 01:33.48 | cafuego | Guerin: I don't see why I should give my biond9 VM more, just so aptitude won't be poo. |
| 01:34.08 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, well, fair enough. |
| 01:34.12 | Bladesman | Stick with lenny. You don't have to change it when lenny goes stable. |
| 01:34.22 | rendar | ok |
| 01:34.44 | Bladesman | Prepare for lotsa lockouts tho. |
| 01:35.04 | rendar | lockouts of what? |
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| 01:35.28 | rendar | can you define 'lockout' in this particular situation? |
| 01:35.33 | Bladesman | went back to etch because audio never started the same way twice, and I finally got locked out with no login prompt. |
| 01:35.39 | cafuego | well bugger that |
| 01:35.52 | rendar | mm i see |
| 01:36.33 | rendar | btw, i can't understand, it seems other distributions can install without problems the latest packages, still working very well, without lockouts etc |
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| 01:37.01 | Bladesman | Might've been because I was running spd-say in /etc/rc.local though, to speak which interface was active (CLI or GUI). |
| 01:37.02 | ricosecada | I am trying to record from my tv card using this mencoder command http://pastebin.com/d4639b8b, and it records with sound, but when I try to play it in mplayer, I just get a big fat green screen with the sound in the background. What am I missing? |
| 01:37.24 | Bushmills | rendar: read again what "stable" means in debian terminlogy |
| 01:37.29 | rendar | ok |
| 01:37.39 | Bushmills | !tell rendar about stable |
| 01:37.39 | Guerin | ricosecada: a playback codec |
| 01:37.51 | infinitycircuit | rendar: debian upgrade path from stable to testing is far better than most any other distribution...such "lockouts" are quite rare |
| 01:38.12 | rendar | i see |
| 01:38.15 | ricosecada | Guerin, how do I change what ever mencoder is using? I know mplayer is packed with codecs. |
| 01:38.28 | Guerin | major breakage in stable is unheard-of. Major breakage in testing is very rare. |
| 01:38.30 | Bladesman | I'm almost sure it was because of speech-dispatcher. |
| 01:39.05 | Bladesman | Caffiene! |
| 01:39.15 | Guerin | ricosecada: i know nothing about mencoder, but if you standardise on encoding to some sane mpeg-4 format like xvid you should be cool |
| 01:39.16 | cafuego | That's 'caffeine'. |
| 01:39.33 | cafuego | stabs mysql in the face |
| 01:40.11 | Bushmills | ricosecada: with the -ovc option |
| 01:41.08 | Bladesman | likes to mispell stuph on porpoise. |
| 01:42.03 | abrotman | cafuego: you've been here long enough to know better! |
| 01:42.15 | cafuego | abrotman: Feh |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | cafuego: image viewer .. won't help much with mysql |
| 01:42.34 | Decepticon | oww can i add a prefix to names of files in my dir and keep the remainder of filename intact |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | Decepticon: man rename |
| 01:42.48 | cafuego | abrotman: Um |
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| 01:43.10 | abrotman | cafuego: no bonus points eh ? |
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| 01:43.12 | cafuego | abrotman: I have no image viewer issues, just lacking grant priv on my remote mysql console. |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:43.37 | cafuego | Butthe stabbing solved that. |
| 01:43.40 | Bladesman | Sometimes you have to rename in two stages. |
| 01:44.27 | Decepticon | abrotman this is regex stuff so how about rename s/myprefix^// * |
| 01:44.35 | Decepticon | is it wrong? |
| 01:44.53 | vvd | yes we can (look stupid) |
| 01:44.54 | ricosecada | Bushmills, I don't get it, I am using this command for mpeg4 http://pastebin.com/dc62117c, but I still get a snowy green picture yet perfect sound. |
| 01:45.31 | abrotman | Decepticon: yes .. wrong |
| 01:47.21 | Bladesman | had to rename ###-genesis.mp3 to genesis-###.mp3 and it took a for loop and cut to do it.. |
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| 01:49.37 | Bladesman | One of these days I'll get around to learning reg-expressions. |
| 01:50.13 | Bushmills | ricosecada: vbitrate is kbit/sec. 400 is relatively low, depending on your resolution |
| 01:50.28 | Bushmills | try 1000 |
| 01:51.11 | scatterp | hmm how to i extract a lha file ? |
| 01:51.52 | stew | Bladesman: rename 's/(.*)-(.*).mp3/$2-$1.mp3/' * |
| 01:51.53 | ricosecada | Bushmills, its still the same. |
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| 01:52.58 | Bladesman | unp will unarchive almost anything. |
| 01:53.44 | Bladesman | otherwise try the lha package. |
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| 01:54.41 | |v|4s7e|2 | Hello! |
| 01:55.37 | Bladesman | scatterp: learn 'apt-cache search <text>' |
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| 01:56.05 | ricosecada | Bushmills, thanks. I finally found the problem. Wrong input number. |
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| 01:56.12 | scatterp | i got lha now how i do use it ? |
| 01:56.19 | scatterp | Bladesman, i will add it to my notes thanks |
| 01:56.38 | Bladesman | installs lha and takes a look |
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| 01:58.36 | scatterp | thx |
| 02:00.09 | Bladesman | scatterp: Looks like it's 'lha x <archive>' or 'lha e <archive>' (and may need to be followed with a * |
| 02:00.24 | scatterp | testing.. |
| 02:00.34 | scatterp | thanks that worked great |
| 02:00.35 | Guerin | eew, lha |
| 02:00.47 | Guerin | the 1980s wants its archiver back |
| 02:00.49 | gnunixguy | kickin it old school? |
| 02:01.13 | Bladesman | wants a copy of bimodem FTP. |
| 02:01.42 | simonrvn | Guerin++ |
| 02:02.02 | Bladesman | And the puma ftp. |
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| 02:02.13 | simonrvn | all the cools kids are doing 7zip |
| 02:02.17 | simonrvn | :P |
| 02:02.26 | simonrvn | eh, cool even |
| 02:03.16 | Bladesman | likes bzip2. WinRAR supports it now. |
| 02:03.26 | Guerin | tar j[cx]vf should be enough for anyone |
| 02:03.32 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 02:04.49 | scatterp | winrk has amazeing compresion |
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| 02:05.46 | Bladesman | I just don't like that it can xmit viruses just from opening the thing. |
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| 02:07.27 | vorpal | Bladesman: how so? |
| 02:07.29 | Bladesman | keeps getting trojan returned mail with attachments from china. I'd gripe, but they execute hackers there. |
| 02:07.46 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:07.46 | vorpal | Bladesman: all the more reason to do so |
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| 02:09.08 | Bladesman | isn't that ready to really kill someone, and I'm too lazy to write a procmail filter to dump them. They're always being posted with outhouse express. |
| 02:09.19 | vorpal | Bladesman: china's population dwarfs North American and Europe combined. It's no wonder they shoot first and son't ask questions later |
| 02:09.24 | alaya | can i name alias interfaces like eth0-internal? |
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| 02:09.35 | Bushmills | Bladesman: they're called "recipes" |
| 02:10.17 | alaya | i guess i can! |
| 02:10.27 | alaya | eth0:test Link encap:Ethernet |
| 02:10.29 | Bladesman | Wait! You're not my wife! |
| 02:10.42 | newzen | hi, i want to install debian powerpc on a mac g5 smp 64 bit, but i want to now if i can run Xen Virtualization on this machine |
| 02:11.16 | alaya | newzen: if its a core2 cpu with vmx extensions, yes |
| 02:11.18 | vorpal | new, i don't think the g5 has vm extensions, but i may be wrong |
| 02:11.41 | alaya | you could boot a rescue CD and check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:11.48 | simonrvn | um, ppc isn't x86 |
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| 02:12.11 | pipeline | xen supports ppc 970 |
| 02:12.15 | vorpal | right, but marketing names are not platforms |
| 02:12.19 | alaya | sorry, didn't know what "g5 smp 64" since i don't know macs too well |
| 02:12.19 | pipeline | not ppc generally, but ppc 970 specifically |
| 02:12.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:12.49 | pipeline | gotta wonder how bitrotten the ppc 970 support is |
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| 02:12.53 | pipeline | given how old/rare ppc 970 chips are |
| 02:13.01 | simonrvn | g5 is crapple code for a ppc 970, which is a full 64b ppc |
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| 02:13.14 | pipeline | well, not full ;) |
| 02:13.19 | simonrvn | smp is mutli-processor |
| 02:13.36 | newzen | yes two processors |
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| 02:13.40 | pipeline | newzen: Xen might work on a g5, but I wouldn't bother trying. |
| 02:13.41 | simonrvn | uh yeh. ppc spec is 64b capable from the get-go |
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| 02:13.57 | pipeline | I mean that it's a pretty crippled chip :X |
| 02:14.09 | pipeline | I'm sure it implements the ppc ISA in total :) |
| 02:14.17 | pipeline | just it's pretty lame compared to its POWER4 brethren |
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| 02:14.27 | simonrvn | pipeline: agreed |
| 02:14.34 | Bladesman | just learned today that braille is a 10 letter alphabet. A-J is the upper four dots. K-T's got a bottom dot on the left, and U-Z has two dots on the bottom (W coming in last, because French doesn't have the letter W). |
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| 02:15.40 | simonrvn | newzen: i'd try it for the fuck of it, for fun |
| 02:15.49 | Sboz | Hi all. I'm looking to blow away my existing debian etch install, and reinstall it on an encrypted partitionapt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 02:15.56 | Sboz | Haha, whoops. Wrong button |
| 02:15.57 | vvd | is utf-8 a standard? is it the same in win and lin and whereever i edit utf-8 text? |
| 02:16.01 | pipeline | vvd: yup |
| 02:16.01 | simonrvn | the "let's see what this thing ca do" type thing |
| 02:16.09 | simonrvn | can* |
| 02:16.14 | pipeline | vvd: the only possible proviso is that some editors don't bother to read/write the BOM at the beginning of the file |
| 02:16.23 | newzen | i readed a old article about and say 970 processor is not the same with Mac G5 ppc |
| 02:16.23 | Sboz | Anyway, I'm looking to list all of my installed packages, so I can easily reinstall them once I've finished. How feasible is doing this? |
| 02:16.35 | pipeline | Sboz: trivial |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | !tell Sboz about debian clone |
| 02:16.42 | Sboz | googles |
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| 02:16.46 | abrotman | even pipeline could do it |
| 02:16.46 | vvd | pipeline: ty |
| 02:16.50 | Bladesman | dpkg -l > package.list |
| 02:16.50 | dpkg | ii > package.list 2.1-12.2 bladesman's private gamp collection |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | Sboz: the bot just told you how |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | !tell Bladesman about debian clone |
| 02:17.23 | simonrvn | !gamp |
| 02:17.29 | simonrvn | dpkg: bah |
| 02:17.29 | Sboz | abrotman: oh, ha, missed the PM. thanks |
| 02:17.29 | dpkg | well, bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 02:17.35 | jpin | Hi, i have two wireless routers with the same essid, is there a way of connecting specifically to one of them (by designating the address maybe?) |
| 02:17.44 | pipeline | jpin: iwconfig ap |
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| 02:18.17 | jpin | pipeline: ap? |
| 02:18.21 | Bladesman | There's a debian package to decode wireless encryption... |
| 02:18.28 | newzen | you can configure inside of one wireless a mac filter for your machine |
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| 02:18.57 | simonrvn | Bladesman: yes, and? |
| 02:19.06 | alaya | so an aliased interface has to be tied to a real one? e.g. ifconfig eth0:foobar 1.1.1.1 but not ifconfig foobar 1.1.1.1 |
| 02:19.07 | pipeline | jpin: ap is an argument to iwconfig |
| 02:19.17 | simonrvn | alaya: yes |
| 02:19.20 | jpin | pipeline: my question was a bit different.. |
| 02:19.30 | Bladesman | Just thought it was kewl. S'why I have my net on cables. |
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| 02:20.03 | jpin | pipeline: i mean, how can i specify that i wan't to connect to the wireless router with MAC x:x:x? |
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| 02:20.14 | simonrvn | "want" |
| 02:20.20 | pipeline | jpin: I answered the correct question. iwconfig ap |
| 02:20.37 | alaya | simonrvn: and are they bridged by default? i.e. ping -I 2.2.2.1 from network 1.1.1.0 will automatically route between interfaces to 2.2.2.0 network? |
| 02:20.39 | peterrooney | jpin: dhclient.conf |
| 02:20.47 | L815 | is there a way to get wireless to work after an install if I don't have internet access without wireless? |
| 02:20.53 | jpin | pipeline: hm.. so how does that relate to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:21.44 | pipeline | jpin: don't know |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | L815: depends on your wifi adapter and if you have wireless-tools isntalled |
| 02:21.57 | Bladesman | Just make sure you know your ISP's dns server's IP. |
| 02:22.09 | simonrvn | alaya: dunno much about bridging, though apparently a) you can set different networks for them b) they are pingable of course (thoguh diff. NW might need a bit of tweaking) |
| 02:22.27 | newzen | pipeline: newzen: Xen might work on a g5, but I wouldn't bother trying. ( where can i read about, im trying with google with no luck |
| 02:22.38 | L815 | abortman: i'm sure my wireless is supported (works on other distros), but is wireless tools installed by default? |
| 02:22.38 | alaya | simonrvn: anyway its something i can easily test. |
| 02:22.49 | simonrvn | of course :) |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | L815: how did you install debian ? |
| 02:22.58 | jpin | pipeline: I didn't wan't to just get the MAC, i know it.. I was trying to "connect" to a specifc MAX |
| 02:23.01 | jpin | *mac |
| 02:23.28 | pipeline | jpin: read the man page. iwconfig allows you to explicitly set the ap using the argument "ap" |
| 02:23.32 | abrotman | L815: dpkg -l wireless* |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | L815: ifconfig -a .. do you see your wifi adapter ? |
| 02:24.14 | Bladesman | jamz... |
| 02:24.21 | Bladesman | Keep well, all. |
| 02:24.45 | vvd | btw, how can i switch an wireless adapter on/off so it wont use battery power? remove the kernel module? |
| 02:24.46 | Sboz | abrotman: thanks again |
| 02:24.47 | jpin | pipeline: hm.. right, got it. thanks. Still, i'm trying to get it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:25.24 | pipeline | newzen: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenPPC |
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| 02:25.49 | newzen | pipeline; ty |
| 02:25.51 | pipeline | jpin: the interfaces file also has a manpage |
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| 02:26.07 | alaya | i see that iputils-ping is much better than inetutils-ping |
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| 02:26.42 | jpin | pipeline: without the keywords "access point" |
| 02:27.05 | vvd | how can i completely switch on/off a wlan (so it will/wont use energy)? :D |
| 02:27.09 | simonrvn | alaya: yeh, i prefer that oone 'cause of more flexibility |
| 02:27.18 | pipeline | jpin: you need a generalizable method of running an arbitrary external command. I KNOW thinterfaces file supports that. |
| 02:27.31 | pipeline | jpin: I know this is terrible to consider, but you might actually have to read the entire document. |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | stop the madness! |
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| 02:28.21 | alaya | ok, i want multiple aliased ip's, but i don't want them to be able to ping each other unless i explicitly add net routes to the various hosts. how can i do this? |
| 02:28.34 | pipeline | alaya: it's called subnetting |
| 02:28.59 | alaya | i think its because with standard ip aliases in the routing table they all point to "Use Iface" eth0 |
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| 02:29.28 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 02:29.40 | alaya | pipeline: not exactly though. the subnets are distinct, but by default everything routes from one to the other, unlike normal subnetting |
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| 02:29.56 | pipeline | alaya: that makes no sense at all |
| 02:30.00 | alaya | normal=non aliased-ip subnets |
| 02:30.03 | pipeline | alaya: you want to do something unusual. Use a firewall. |
| 02:30.45 | pipeline | also I'm not entirely sure that "ping each other" means what you think it does |
| 02:30.46 | alaya | heh, unfortunately i don't think there's much iptables can do to the routing table. i think its a routing issue |
| 02:30.53 | pipeline | it's not a routing issue |
| 02:31.05 | pipeline | your ping commands are all sourced from 127.0.0.x :P |
| 02:31.19 | pipeline | of course you can route from your local host to local interfaces :P |
| 02:31.37 | pipeline | can remote hosts route through your aliases to other aliases on the interface? They shouldn't be able to, unless you've enabled IP forwarding. |
| 02:32.09 | alaya | not sure what you mean by that? but, basically, ping -I 172.40.0.1 172.50.0.1 should *not* work for normal subnets, but because the interfaces are both aliases of eth0, it does work |
| 02:32.57 | pipeline | alaya: That's not how it works. They're both local interfaces. It's always going to work without netfilter rules to break normal behaviour. |
| 02:33.07 | alaya | oh |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | where did L815 go ? |
| 02:34.06 | alaya | pipeline: i am going to create bridges out of these interfaces and don't want the various ports assigned to each of these bridges to be able to see other bridges unless i tell them to |
| 02:34.16 | L815 | abrotman: sorry i was afk |
| 02:34.22 | pipeline | alaya: bridging is a layer 2 phenomenon |
| 02:34.28 | pipeline | alaya: you're talking about a layer 3 issue |
| 02:34.43 | L815 | abrotman: im planning to install it again soon, I was asking based on the last installation (off 1 cd) |
| 02:34.44 | pipeline | alaya: pro tip: you can't bridge an alias, because it's not a layer 2 interface |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:35.02 | pipeline | alaya: do you follow? |
| 02:35.13 | alaya | sort of |
| 02:35.16 | pipeline | alaya: bridging is a matter of moving layer 2 things around.. in your case, ethernet frames. |
| 02:35.26 | alaya | i mean, i can try with brctl and see what happens :-) |
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| 02:36.16 | pipeline | alaya: yeah, brctl pertains to ethernet bridging. |
| 02:36.34 | L815 | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 02:36.36 | pipeline | alaya: and if the bridge is working correctly, you're going to be able to reach all IP aliases of an interface :P |
| 02:37.07 | pipeline | alaya: You can use netfilter/iptables to filter out undesirable layer 3 traffic, I think. |
| 02:37.13 | alaya | pipeline: so how to i go about setting up distinct vlans on a system? |
| 02:37.19 | pipeline | alaya: bridge interfaces are too tricky for my lame little mental model. |
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| 02:37.27 | pipeline | alaya: vlans are different, they're distinct layer 2 interfaces. |
| 02:37.33 | pipeline | alaya: aliases are additional IPs on the same layer 2 interface |
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| 02:37.47 | pipeline | alaya: VLANs are an extension to ethernet that allows you to have multiple layer 2 interfaces on a single physical connection |
| 02:37.53 | alaya | pipeline: i mean distinct virtual lans, or independent subnets, on one box with only one physical interface |
| 02:38.08 | pipeline | alaya: aliases allow you to create a host that sits on multiple subnets. |
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| 02:38.30 | pipeline | alaya: VLANs allow you to create a host that sits on multiple ethernet networks using a single physical ethernet interface. |
| 02:38.39 | alaya | oh i have an idea |
| 02:38.48 | pipeline | alaya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model this might amke it simpler :P |
| 02:38.48 | alaya | oh, no, guess not |
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| 02:39.08 | pipeline | alaya: I don't think you want to do bridging at all. |
| 02:39.14 | pipeline | alaya: I suspect what you actually want is either routing or NAT |
| 02:40.39 | alaya | pipeline: well, the normal way to set a system up for virtualization to run a bunch of VM's each with their own iface, is to set up a bridge |
| 02:40.47 | alaya | that's what xen and kvm/qemu do |
| 02:41.02 | alaya | but i want to go one step further, and have virtual front- and back-planes, etc. |
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| 02:41.40 | alaya | so i would want 2 or 3 bridges, each on its own subnet, with virtual routers that route the traffic |
| 02:41.51 | pipeline | alaya: Ah, yes. That is something where you could actually want to use a bridge, a bridge that only attaches to one interface but has a distinct MAC |
| 02:42.07 | alaya | yes |
| 02:42.08 | pipeline | uh, yeah, that's fairly complicated. Hmm. not sure how I would go about that, honestly. |
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| 02:42.21 | pipeline | someone has no doubt done it bofer |
| 02:42.25 | pipeline | tried googling xen virtual router? :D |
| 02:42.36 | alaya | pipeline: i want each VM to have 2 or three interfaces on different bridges |
| 02:43.02 | alaya | pipeline: i'm actually parsing through the xen network scripts now for info |
| 02:43.22 | Caelum | anyone know the iptables command to forward a port to another port on another machine? |
| 02:44.12 | alaya | pipeline: that's a good keyword search. thanks. |
| 02:44.57 | alaya | Caelum: check into DNAT |
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| 02:45.35 | Caelum | alaya: I tried this, but it didn't work: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 12345 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.28.237.30:22 |
| 02:45.43 | Caelum | alaya: then again, I don't know anything about iptables |
| 02:46.37 | alaya | something like iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to 5.6.7.8:8080 |
| 02:48.18 | Caelum | nope... |
| 02:49.06 | Caelum | hmm, I don't see anything in iptables -L either |
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| 02:51.57 | Caelum | what's the kernel module for iptables? |
| 02:52.16 | Caelum | err never mind, that's loaded |
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| 02:52.43 | [nix]-hack | ?? |
| 02:53.57 | Caelum | ok, my iptables is broken |
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| 02:57.04 | Toba_ | I'm having trouble moving a mysql server from freebsd to debian... |
| 02:57.21 | Toba_ | there seem to be special values that are expected to exist on debian |
| 02:57.28 | Toba_ | for starting/stopping |
| 02:57.58 | wols | aren't you using the debian mysql packages? |
| 02:58.09 | Toba_ | I have that right now, all defaults |
| 02:58.19 | Toba_ | but I have another server whose databases,users, and data i need to import |
| 02:58.30 | Toba_ | it is still live, so I can get whatever sort of dump is needed to properly do this |
| 02:58.31 | Caelum | mysqldump? |
| 02:58.42 | dondelelcaro | Toba_: that's fine; just import them, but don't delete (or recreate later) the debian_sys_maint user. |
| 02:59.21 | Toba_ | is that all i need? |
| 02:59.24 | dondelelcaro | (since if you're having any difficulty, that's almost certainly it; mysql needs some "housekeeping" to keep itself running sanely) |
| 02:59.25 | Toba_ | one row in the mysql table? |
| 02:59.38 | Toba_ | # cat dumpsql |
| 02:59.38 | Toba_ | #!/bin/sh |
| 02:59.38 | Toba_ | mysqldump --skip-opt --all-databases --complete-insert --add-drop-table -u root --password="****">dump.sql |
| 02:59.41 | dondelelcaro | Toba_: well, iirc, it's about 3 rows, but yeah, that's basically it. |
| 02:59.45 | Toba_ | ^ that is what I've been using for backups |
| 03:00.11 | Toba_ | ok thanks for the ip |
| 03:00.12 | Toba_ | *tip |
| 03:00.33 | dondelelcaro | Toba_: for future reference, it should all be documented in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-*/*; |
| 03:01.22 | Toba_ | ok |
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| 03:03.53 | dondelelcaro | Toba_: if you're new to debian, you may also want to /msg dpkg grounding, as it may give you some starting points for future questions |
| 03:04.08 | dondelelcaro | (if not, carry on) |
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| 03:05.02 | Toba_ | oh, I am |
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| 03:20.52 | `m0 | Why don't I have sudo installed? |
| 03:20.59 | `m0 | Or I have to install it by default? |
| 03:21.16 | liable | its not installed by default in debian |
| 03:21.29 | infinitycircuit | `m0: unless you install with "expert" and disable the root account it is not installed |
| 03:21.50 | `m0 | Many people say disable root account from ssh and create your own user |
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| 03:22.21 | `m0 | I am setting up debian as my dedicated server, and I am wondering what are the proper ways to secure it. |
| 03:22.59 | infinitycircuit | `m0: yes you can do that but you don't need sudo for it. go to /etc/ssh/sshd_config and disable root login. you can login is a normal user and "su" to root |
| 03:23.12 | Guerin | `m0: /msg dpkg harden-doc |
| 03:23.14 | `m0 | infinitycircuit: I did that already |
| 03:23.32 | `m0 | When I was in ubuntu, it was easier to do su commands |
| 03:23.34 | \amethyst | I'd recommend PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 03:23.37 | Guerin | `m0: sudo is no magic bullet. |
| 03:23.43 | \amethyst | then you can ssh in as root, using a key |
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| 03:24.33 | liable | disable root login and ssh in with key as user |
| 03:24.42 | liable | then su if needed |
| 03:25.01 | `m0 | I am really knew to managing my own linux server |
| 03:25.04 | `m0 | new* |
| 03:25.21 | `m0 | What do you mean ssh in with a key? I am sshing in with ip/ user/pass |
| 03:25.43 | \amethyst | liable: I enable root ssh because I need to be able to get in and fix the LDAP server if it goes down for some reason |
| 03:26.06 | liable | \amethyst: why cant you ssh in as user and su? |
| 03:26.18 | \amethyst | liable: because when LDAP is down I don't have a user |
| 03:26.25 | liable | oh |
| 03:26.48 | Nyle | that sucks |
| 03:27.06 | \amethyst | liable: if both LDAP and ssh go down I'd probably be in trouble |
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| 03:33.04 | Esaj | is it possible to send emails in the past? i.e. set the date header to some past date? |
| 03:33.05 | alaya | \amethyst: can't you just create a special, non-root user in a UID range ignored by LDAP? |
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| 03:33.41 | \amethyst | alaya: that's what I did for a while before I decided to do the ssh key thing |
| 03:33.56 | vorpal | root with public key authentication is probably reasonable |
| 03:34.07 | \amethyst | alaya: the other advantage of ssh keys is that you can make a key that only allows you to run certain commands |
| 03:34.19 | \amethyst | alaya: rather, you can set up a key that way in authorized_keys |
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| 03:34.38 | alaya | isn't it more dangerous, because now the machine with the private key can be compromised and it will compromise the machine with the pre-shared key as well? |
| 03:34.53 | \amethyst | alaya: and you can give a different key to each person with root, so if someone leaves you can revoke that person's access by removing their key |
| 03:35.05 | vorpal | \amethyst: you're thinking of sudo? or is this a PAM feature? |
| 03:35.26 | \amethyst | vorpal: ssh can do it too, man authorized_keys |
| 03:35.40 | \amethyst | alaya: yeah, you have to make sure the keys are encrypted |
| 03:35.44 | alaya | \amethyst: but each time another box has a pre-shared key on the system, it becomes that much more vulnerable |
| 03:36.02 | alaya | i.e. for 1 system with another one with key, its a 100% increase in vulnerability, etc. |
| 03:36.03 | \amethyst | alaya: but the same is true if someone su's from a compromised terminal |
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| 03:36.22 | \amethyst | alaya: a keylogger on a weak client can read the password |
| 03:36.31 | vorpal | alaya: then i suppose you would use something like kerberos |
| 03:37.19 | alaya | \amethyst: actually there's a way to deal with that: only allow access in through a special box with rbash accounts and no user histories |
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| 03:37.40 | alaya | \amethyst: even if they get in there, they will not know what to ssh to, and have no way to ping scan or anything |
| 03:38.16 | alaya | they will be sitting at an empty, almost useless shell that can only ssh to unknown to them IPs, which they will not have passwords for |
| 03:38.19 | \amethyst | alaya: if 'they' have a keylogger on the machine someone is ultimately sshing from, it doesn't matter |
| 03:38.35 | alaya | \amethyst: oh true. |
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| 03:38.56 | alaya | damn. security sucks. |
| 03:39.10 | vorpal | alaya: this is a obscurity mechanism. it does not address the basic principle with you are concerned about |
| 03:39.10 | \amethyst | alaya: the other advantage is that ssh keys have a lot more entropy than passwords |
| 03:39.24 | \amethyst | alaya: except for a period of about 2 years :) |
| 03:39.42 | alaya | hehe |
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| 03:44.22 | wuxia | so i just got a machine w/ 8gb of ram ... is there any distro based off of debian w/ the philosophy of : everything in memory, the hard disk is used only for persistent storage? (goikng for a really silent machine and also everything in ram) |
| 03:46.25 | DanDare | wuxia, can you disable swap ? |
| 03:46.40 | wuxia | of course, y not? :-) |
| 03:46.52 | DanDare | that´s question |
| 03:46.58 | wuxia | i cah |
| 03:47.00 | wuxia | i can |
| 03:47.02 | DanDare | disabling swap you will the very silent machine |
| 03:47.11 | DanDare | *have |
| 03:47.18 | DanDare | not ? |
| 03:47.49 | DanDare | but i really dunno how the system works if something fill all the ram and start asking for swap |
| 03:47.54 | DanDare | machine will crash ? |
| 03:48.18 | \amethyst | DanDare: the kernel will start killing programs |
| 03:48.28 | DanDare | bad |
| 03:48.41 | wuxia | hmm; what should i do then? |
| 03:48.43 | wuxia | buy more ram? |
| 03:48.48 | DanDare | wuxia i thing not |
| 03:48.55 | wuxia | the motherboard only supppports 8 |
| 03:49.04 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:49.06 | \amethyst | you know |
| 03:49.13 | DanDare | wuxia maybe its not the best solution but... you can set something like a pendrive as swap space |
| 03:49.17 | \amethyst | the same thing will happen if you have RAM and swap and you fill up both |
| 03:49.41 | DanDare | so you get the very silent machine anyway |
| 03:49.45 | wuxia | so this is linuc;s fault and i should run windows vista? |
| 03:49.48 | \amethyst | the difference is, it will get so s-l-o-w that it will take forever for that to happen |
| 03:49.59 | DanDare | and in a pendrive you can have a lot more that 8Gig |
| 03:50.08 | \amethyst | wait |
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| 03:50.14 | wuxia | hmm, usb device as swap, taht is interesting |
| 03:50.17 | \amethyst | why do we expect wuxia to be running out of 8GB ? |
| 03:50.20 | wuxia | except after 100k writes they fail |
| 03:50.32 | DanDare | wuxia, yeah ! |
| 03:50.42 | wuxia | i like to write while(1) malloc(...) |
| 03:50.51 | pablo | hi, i can here music and videos, but i dont know which is my sound system, how can i know if i have alsa or what do i have? |
| 03:51.11 | wuxia | honestly, i have had problems w/ make -j 8 |
| 03:51.13 | Bushmills | i see great potential in the "printable semiconductor" technology. ink transistors :) .. build a printer into the machine, then it can print itself some more memory when needed. |
| 03:51.17 | wuxia | on systems w/ 4gb of ram |
| 03:51.18 | DanDare | wuxia, but for a system with 8Gb ram the swap can be used just a very few times and will be there for some emergence ? |
| 03:51.24 | wuxia | seems like g++ takes up lots of ram |
| 03:51.27 | DanDare | it deppends on the purpose of the machine |
| 03:51.32 | stew | pablo: what does "cat /proc/asound/devices" return? |
| 03:51.52 | \amethyst | wuxia: so what's the peak memory usage you expect to see? |
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| 03:52.09 | wuxia | i dunno; templates are unpredictarble im dealing with boost and ogre |
| 03:52.14 | wuxia | both of which use templates alot |
| 03:52.16 | \amethyst | wuxia: if it's 10GB, for example, allocate 2.5GB of swap |
| 03:52.22 | DanDare | i wish i can get hands on 8Gb RAM soon |
| 03:52.23 | wuxia | and i think g++ doedsn't handle templates very nicely |
| 03:52.35 | pablo | stew: http://pastebin.com/m542d3430 |
| 03:52.47 | DanDare | dealing with 4 Gb tif images and waiting for swap do the job is annoying :p |
| 03:53.13 | \amethyst | wuxia: if it's 16GB allocate 8GB of swap, but expect thrashing |
| 03:53.25 | DanDare | pdflush on top? |
| 03:53.29 | double_helix | Hello all... I have run various linux distros over the years... ubuntu gave me some debian experience... but I am using a server beach hosted server with debian... anyway... how do I determine what version of debian this box is running? |
| 03:53.30 | dondelelcaro | how much swap you allocate really depends on what you're doing withthe system |
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| 03:53.40 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:54.01 | stew | pablo: so you have alsa (this file is showing that you currently have alsa configured for one sound card) |
| 03:54.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell double_helix -about version |
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| 03:54.44 | pablo | stew: ok, and waht is esd? |
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| 03:55.00 | double_helix | what is lenny/sid version of debian? |
| 03:55.02 | stew | !esd |
| 03:55.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 03:55.17 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: that means that you're either running testing or unstable; apt-cache policy; will tell you which. |
| 03:55.58 | double_helix | :/etc/apt$ sudo apt-cache policy |
| 03:55.58 | double_helix | Package files: |
| 03:55.58 | double_helix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.58 | double_helix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.58 | double_helix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:56.10 | pablo | stew: are esd and alsa competitors? |
| 03:56.21 | stew | pablo: esd a 'sound daemon' that will allow multiple peices of software play sound simultaneously on a hardware device that only is able to play one stream at a time. (newer sound cards can mix multiple streams in hardware making this unnecessary) |
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| 03:56.42 | stew | pablo: no, esd would be mixing audio streams in software, then feeding a single stream to alsa |
| 03:57.03 | pablo | stew: ok, much more clear |
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| 03:57.41 | \amethyst | ALSA can do that part itself with dmix |
| 03:57.42 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 03:57.43 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 03:57.55 | double_helix | Bah, I forgot... Pasting = Bad... chanserve got mad at me :) |
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| 03:59.16 | double_helix | what does this mean I am running? :/etc/apt$ sudo apt-cache policyPackage files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now |
| 03:59.17 | double_helix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.17 | double_helix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.35 | Nyle | !tell double_helix -about paste |
| 03:59.52 | Esaj | is it possible to send an email in the past? |
| 04:00.34 | double_helix | thanks... I combined into one line listed above... I felt like it was my first day on IRC when I saw chanserve kick me :0 |
| 04:01.01 | Bushmills | Esaj: not really, as the relaying mail servers add their header lines, telling when the message passed which server |
| 04:01.10 | pablo | stew: mm, i think i also have oss, how can i check this? |
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| 04:01.33 | stew | pablo: do you have more than one sound card? |
| 04:01.42 | Esaj | Bushmills: hmm, true, but would setting the Date: header make it appear further in the past in the recipient's mailbox? |
| 04:02.01 | pablo | stew: nop |
| 04:02.36 | stew | pablo: then you don't have oss. though you might have alsa's oss compatibility layer which is provided by the snd-pcm-oss module, which provides /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer for compatibility with applications which only know how to talk to oss |
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| 04:02.51 | Bushmills | Esaj: not if the recipient has set the incoming mails to be sorted for sender, or subject. |
| 04:03.01 | pablo | stew: ahhh |
| 04:03.27 | pablo | stew: yeah maybe that, how can i check it? |
| 04:03.29 | Esaj | Bushmills: hmm that's true |
| 04:03.40 | double_helix | So... debian_version tells me "lenny/sid" and apt-cache policy is what I pasted above... what in the world am I running? and am I at least running something >= Etch? |
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| 04:05.18 | Bushmills | double_helix: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:05.26 | double_helix | yea it says I am running stable |
| 04:05.31 | double_helix | what does that = |
| 04:05.53 | double_helix | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 04:06.06 | stew | pablo: you can check "cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat" or see if the snd-pcm-oss module is loaded by checking "lsmod" |
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| 04:06.28 | double_helix | the app I am trying to install... says I need to... |
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| 04:06.38 | Bushmills | double_helix: you got that server with debian preinstalled? |
| 04:06.41 | double_helix | add deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:06.42 | double_helix | Yea |
| 04:06.47 | double_helix | this just fell in my lap |
| 04:06.49 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: you're probably running some mix of testing and stable, then. |
| 04:07.07 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: if it's trivial, you should ask for them to actually install etch. |
| 04:07.20 | double_helix | Server Beach... first encounter with them |
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| 04:07.30 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: since running a mix of the two is just going to end up with pain |
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| 04:07.37 | Bushmills | then the provider has an install image, and simply dumps it on the harddisk of new machines. when provider customized that image, they added some non-stable stuff. |
| 04:07.56 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: they should have an image of just etch; alternatively, you should be able to specify an image to run |
| 04:08.10 | double_helix | right on |
| 04:08.21 | dondelelcaro | ('course, if it's a pre-existing server that's got stuff running, it's not so trivial) |
| 04:08.24 | pablo | stew: it is not loaded |
| 04:09.12 | Bushmills | double_helix: your server can boot from a rescue system? |
| 04:09.18 | double_helix | FWIW... I see Main is http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib | source is the same as is Security... I see the sid main branches but they are commented out... |
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| 04:10.57 | double_helix | Theoretically speaking... I need to add deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free | then I need to apt-get -t etch-backports install mono-common mono-jit libmono2.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil mono-gmcs | theoretically... I should survive this? |
| 04:11.33 | double_helix | and deal with Server Beach another day |
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| 04:13.23 | double_helix | Bushmills: ? dondelelcaro: ? or will this all blow up in my face because god knows what they did? |
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| 04:14.21 | Bushmills | double_helix: if you're lucky you can uninstall the non-stable package, and reinstall the stable version. if not, there's a whole rat's trail of dependencies. |
| 04:15.25 | muddd | I'm about to update my video drivers and was wondering what files do I back up? |
| 04:15.47 | muddd | xorg.conf only right? |
| 04:16.19 | double_helix | Bushmills: yea... sigh... why oh why... of course a migration gets dumped in my lap... the contract expires friday... its tuesday... well wednesday now... and its the 4th of July weekend... Hooray... then I remember I am a consultant and get paid hourly... I guess i shouldnt complain :) |
| 04:16.28 | Bushmills | muddd:because you have a backup anyway, no need to backup anything extra. you do run periodic backup, right? |
| 04:16.52 | muddd | of my entire system? yeah the system partition |
| 04:17.04 | muddd | tgz |
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| 04:17.21 | Bushmills | double_helix: to find out what to uninstall is not a lot of effort |
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| 04:17.59 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: is this a new server? or one that you got brought in on? |
| 04:18.10 | double_helix | Bushmills: bah... ok so my brain just imploded again... this time I should know better... what is the apt equivilant of rpm -e | grep whatIamLookingfor ? I need to find all packages that are installed that are part of mono |
| 04:18.18 | double_helix | this got dumped on me 4 hours ago |
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| 04:18.22 | double_helix | never seen this server before |
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| 04:18.33 | Guerin | double_helix: dpkg -l |
| 04:18.40 | double_helix | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:18.51 | Bushmills | double_helix: didn't you say you get paid for it? then fix it yourself and don't ask me to do that for you. |
| 04:19.05 | wols | Bushmills: you must be new here |
| 04:19.07 | Bushmills | imagine, i do your work, and you get paid for that :P |
| 04:19.10 | double_helix | Bushmills: well... I was actually thanking you... |
| 04:19.23 | Guerin | !bmost of us draw the line at homework |
| 04:19.26 | Guerin | err |
| 04:19.39 | dondelelcaro | it's no big deal to ask questions here even if you're being paid |
| 04:20.10 | Guerin | homework, illegal or potentially dangerous activities, and refusal to help oneself |
| 04:20.18 | Guerin | them's the things dpkg hates most |
| 04:20.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah; homework isn't ok |
| 04:20.54 | dondelelcaro | (and obviously, no one *has* to help anyone) |
| 04:20.59 | wols | what makes homework not ok, and paid work ok? |
| 04:21.06 | double_helix | Bushmills: if you had an ubuntu/FC/RHEL/MS AD or Exchange question I would help... even if you got paid and I didnt... thats the point of all of this... everyone doesn't know everything... my first look at Debian... so anyway... thank you for your help... and yes I am getting paid... |
| 04:21.08 | dondelelcaro | wols: pedagogy? |
| 04:21.13 | Guerin | wols: scholarship |
| 04:21.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:21.20 | Guerin | spot the grad studenbts |
| 04:21.28 | wols | shouldn't a paid admin already know his stuff? he was hired for his knowledge in the first place, no? |
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| 04:21.40 | Guerin | wols: hahah |
| 04:21.44 | Guerin | that's a good one |
| 04:22.05 | double_helix | wols: again per my conversation above... this just got dumped on my lap 4 hours ago... first time with debian... |
| 04:22.19 | dondelelcaro | wols: not necessarily; better to ask here anyway |
| 04:22.39 | dondelelcaro | asks questions on IRC all the time even when he's being paid |
| 04:22.43 | Bushmills | double_helix: fixing it earns you more, in two ways - by spending more time, and by increasing your skills. |
| 04:22.52 | double_helix | Bushmills: agreed |
| 04:23.02 | double_helix | Bushmills: distro I do not know... hence me being here |
| 04:23.10 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: but yeah, you're going to want to find the non-stable packages, and downgrade them if you can |
| 04:23.21 | Guerin | Bushmills: are you paid by the hour? |
| 04:23.22 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: you can do this using pinning, or using aptitude search, or similar. |
| 04:23.26 | Guerin | I sure as hell aren't. |
| 04:23.37 | Bushmills | Guerin: depends |
| 04:23.37 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: you could also bring in a consultant from debian.org/consultants if you had to |
| 04:23.50 | Bushmills | Guerin: usually yes |
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| 04:25.45 | double_helix | dondelelcaro: thank you... I just didn't know what in the world version was going on when I only saw stable. My apt expierence has only been ubuntu where I would see what release it was from cat sources.list... then I saw sid and my brain melted... I guess just to confirm my orginal question... if it says I am pulling packages from stable... stable theoretically equals Etch right? therefore if I found a 3rd party apt repo |
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| 04:27.35 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: you generally shouldn't use 3rd party apt repositories |
| 04:28.11 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: the debian_versions you listed, indicates that someone has installed some packages from testing/unstable and then changed the sources.list back; without knowing the full history of the box, it's hard to tell you why they did that. |
| 04:28.29 | dondelelcaro | sees that occasionally on machines that he consults on, and generally reverts with backports as appropriate |
| 04:28.44 | double_helix | dondelelcaro: this is all I need to overcome... so whatever way I can solve this... Product X requires mono 1.2.3, while the stable release of Debian Etch is mono 1.2.2. |
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| 04:29.30 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: get a backport of mono from backports.org |
| 04:29.34 | double_helix | dondelelcaro: which I can confirm it installed 1.2.2 |
| 04:29.59 | dondelelcaro | double_helix: backports.org isn't really a third party; almost everyone who can upload there is a developer |
| 04:30.21 | double_helix | dondelelcaro: right... it says to add deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free | which is cool... ah ok... I was just confirming that theoretically I was running etch and this was the backport I needed. |
| 04:30.29 | double_helix | I thought backports was 3rd party |
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| 04:31.28 | stew | double_helix: its not officially part of the debian project, but it is maintained by debian developers and most anyone if not everyone that is allowed to upload to its repsository is a debian developer |
| 04:31.52 | double_helix | Bushmills: dondelelcaro: thanks for your helping me understand debian's package and release structure... rock on... thanks for your help |
| 04:32.05 | aLTer | Hello! Is it possible to boot (etch) from USB and continue install with CD-1 iso located on a HDD partition? |
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| 04:32.30 | aLTer | Does insaller would find the iso? |
| 04:32.38 | aLTer | *installer |
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| 04:34.46 | Bushmills | aLTer: it is possible to install from usb, with an iso image on the hard disk, but that's not that straightforward as simply booting and the installer picks the image up by itself |
| 04:35.27 | aLTer | Bushmills, so current installer wouldn't search the iso? |
| 04:35.35 | dondelelcaro | aLTer: that's actually how you do it. |
| 04:35.58 | dondelelcaro | aLTer: though generally you stick the iso on the usb partition, it is capable of searching any partition it can mount |
| 04:35.59 | double_helix | Stew: thank you as well |
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| 04:36.40 | Bushmills | aLTer: maybe there's an easier way - the one i know of is: a: prepare usb stick to boot debian, b: put iso on a disk partition, c: boot usb stick, d: loop mount disk iso, e: debootstrap from that loop mounted image |
| 04:37.02 | dondelelcaro | the installer is supposed to do all of that for you |
| 04:37.06 | aLTer | what if I dd CD-1.iso to USB? Can BIOS boot from that USB? :-) |
| 04:37.33 | dondelelcaro | aLTer: no, you copy the hd_img.gz to the usb, then you copy the iso to the usb device. Read the install guide. |
| 04:37.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell aLTer -about ig |
| 04:37.58 | aLTer | thanks a lot, pals! |
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| 04:38.36 | Bushmills | the longer i haven't installed debian, the more changes the installer undergoes :P |
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| 04:39.07 | double_helix | Good night all ... thanks |
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| 05:03.44 | batcoder-7 | what firefox is in lenny / |
| 05:03.46 | batcoder-7 | 2 or 3 ? |
| 05:04.20 | Guerin | !tell batcoder-7 about search |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | batcoder-7: yes. |
| 05:04.39 | batcoder-7 | which one ? |
| 05:04.46 | batcoder-7 | i dont have debian installed yet its doing so as we seak |
| 05:04.49 | batcoder-7 | speak |
| 05:05.07 | Guerin | did you get the `search' factoid? |
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| 05:06.44 | gonzaloaf | hi. how can I setup my firefox and google to search in google.com.pe by default? |
| 05:06.51 | ozzzi | how turns on or load a correct module for my nic? |
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| 05:07.53 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: about:config; change the keyword.URL string to http://www.google.co.pe/search?q= |
| 05:08.04 | Guerin | err, com.pe |
| 05:08.05 | Guerin | whatever |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | ozzzi: find out what module and run modprobe modulename |
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| 05:08.46 | ozzzi | <ozzi> helo everybody... one probe... 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0)...and dont know solve it..i already read about it on debians forum and anything helps me.. my kernel is 2.18 of debian 4 r3 |
| 05:08.46 | ozzzi | [21:53:47] <ozzi> please help me |
| 05:08.46 | ozzzi | [21:53:57] <ozzi> i cant sove it lonely |
| 05:08.57 | ozzzi | attansic L1 |
| 05:09.02 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I dont have that key? |
| 05:09.09 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I dont have that key |
| 05:09.24 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: i do. So I dunno - it'll be something similar |
| 05:09.26 | simonrvn | ozzzi: run update-pciids as root, then try again |
| 05:09.42 | Guerin | ozzzi: please don't paste |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | it makes kittens cry |
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| 05:11.06 | ozzzi | pciids failed..download failed...name or service not knows |
| 05:11.07 | ozzzi | n |
| 05:11.43 | cahoot | you did run update-pciids? |
| 05:11.48 | ozzzi | yes |
| 05:11.53 | ozzzi | as root |
| 05:11.59 | troubled | simonrvn: http://www.break.com/index/it-guy-vs-dumb-employees.html |
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| 05:12.20 | troubled | funny (but prolly staged) |
| 05:12.26 | ozzzi | how load new module manualy? |
| 05:13.06 | gonzaloaf | how does firefox know your location? does it read the locales? |
| 05:13.10 | troubled | ozzzi: modprobe <modname> |
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| 05:13.43 | simonrvn | troubled: seen it. http://thebrokenwebsite.com/ |
| 05:13.43 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf timezone, probably |
| 05:13.47 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: ff doesn't - google does, from your ip address |
| 05:13.54 | troubled | simonrvn: :) good one for sure |
| 05:13.58 | troubled | simonrvn: just found it on digg |
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| 05:14.14 | simonrvn | fucking fucked up =) |
| 05:14.29 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, but my ip address is from Peru and google bar searches in google.com not in google.com.pe |
| 05:14.52 | simonrvn | ozzzi: fix your DNS |
| 05:15.03 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 05:15.13 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: ok. Well, there will be a key you can fuck with in about:config there - if you search on `keyword' it should come up |
| 05:15.15 | batcoder-7 | i am putting debian on an old ass HP but x isnt working |
| 05:15.19 | batcoder-7 | prolly a driver problem huh ? |
| 05:15.22 | ozzzi | simonrvn: how? |
| 05:15.28 | Guerin | batcoder-7: don't guess, read logs |
| 05:15.44 | bolt | !tell batcoder-7 about error message |
| 05:15.50 | simonrvn | !dns |
| 05:15.51 | batcoder-7 | i mean do i need to DL drivers for an hp vga motherboard ? |
| 05:15.55 | ozzzi | im newbie on linux |
| 05:15.57 | simonrvn | dpkg: die |
| 05:15.58 | dpkg | I'll murder you simonrvn! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 05:16.05 | batcoder-7 | it uses an intel |
| 05:16.07 | simonrvn | that's nice |
| 05:16.13 | Guerin | batcoder-7: no. |
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| 05:16.21 | batcoder-7 | huh ? |
| 05:16.24 | Guerin | batcoder-7: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:16.35 | Guerin | batcoder-7: no, you don't need to download drivers. |
| 05:16.38 | bolt | batcoder-7: read what dpkg told you. and read your log |
| 05:16.43 | batcoder-7 | i know |
| 05:16.53 | batcoder-7 | im sorry for aksing questions but im getitng frusterate and tired |
| 05:17.06 | bolt | batcoder-7: go to bed, try again tomorrow :) |
| 05:17.09 | simonrvn | ozzzi: /etc/resolv.conf, put your nameservers in there; man resolv.conf |
| 05:17.37 | batcoder-7 | im very close |
| 05:17.43 | batcoder-7 | letm e go find out what kind of intel it uses |
| 05:17.49 | bolt | ... |
| 05:17.50 | bolt | why? |
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| 05:18.46 | bolt | batcoder-7: try to start X, read the output and give us or google (preferably google to begin with) the first error message that shows up. |
| 05:18.59 | Guerin | choose vesa |
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| 05:22.09 | ozzzi | wt is mod extension... i mean *.? |
| 05:22.37 | troubled | simonrvn: doesnt resolv.conf get overritten by dhcp all the time? |
| 05:22.45 | troubled | or dhclient or whatever |
| 05:22.57 | simonrvn | you can set it to not do that |
| 05:23.04 | troubled | seem to recall having to use some fancy setting in dhcp to not do it here |
| 05:23.15 | troubled | simonrvn: but you didnt tell him that! ;) |
| 05:23.21 | bolt | ozzzi: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:23.29 | infinitycircuit | go to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and add "supersede domain-name-servers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx;" or whatever |
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| 05:23.38 | troubled | thats the one |
| 05:23.38 | ozzzi | install my nic!!! :P |
| 05:23.43 | troubled | lol |
| 05:23.58 | ozzzi | lol |
| 05:24.00 | batcoder-7 | ok |
| 05:24.06 | batcoder-7 | i could not init font path elements |
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| 05:24.20 | bolt | batcoder-7: those should only be warnings |
| 05:24.22 | batcoder-7 | fata lerror font "fixed" could not be found or loaded |
| 05:24.29 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 05:24.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 05:24.43 | batcoder-7 | i did |
| 05:24.47 | bolt | oh. all fonts missing |
| 05:24.54 | batcoder-7 | a[t-get install xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:24.59 | bolt | ozzzi: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? have you loaded the correct module? |
| 05:24.59 | Guerin | no |
| 05:25.01 | Guerin | aptitude |
| 05:25.02 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:25.08 | batcoder-7 | aptitude better? |
| 05:25.11 | Guerin | \yes |
| 05:25.18 | Guerin | just follow the bedamned instructions |
| 05:25.26 | simonrvn | !fixed |
| 05:25.27 | dpkg | well, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 05:25.27 | batcoder-7 | ok and so i have to install the fonts as well as what i installed above ? |
| 05:25.30 | Guerin | unless you know better, which you manifestly don't |
| 05:25.34 | ozzzi | bolt: no |
| 05:26.02 | batcoder-7 | Guerin: its late ive been using linux for years more new to debain i didnt knwo there was a difference |
| 05:26.10 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I found the keyword.url and changed |
| 05:26.11 | bolt | ozzzi: does it show up in lspci, then? do you see any kind of indication it's there at all? |
| 05:26.17 | gonzaloaf | but it still searches in google.com |
| 05:26.29 | simonrvn | gonzaloaf: cookies |
| 05:26.50 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, ohh ok ok |
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| 05:27.46 | ozzzi | not yet...the module were not loaded |
| 05:27.55 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, I cleared cookies and cache and the problem persists |
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| 05:28.26 | simonrvn | type in it manually |
| 05:28.28 | bolt | ozzzi: it should show up in lspci even without the correct module, afaik. |
| 05:28.53 | simonrvn | add peruvian spanish to browser languages |
| 05:29.06 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: there's another keyword.* key which toggles searchery by keyword |
| 05:29.09 | Guerin | see if that workd |
| 05:30.26 | batcoder-7 | ok |
| 05:30.30 | batcoder-7 | fonts thing fixed it |
| 05:30.31 | ozzzi | bolt: all my drivers are correct loaded exept ethernet controlle 1969:1048 (rev 0) |
| 05:30.40 | batcoder-7 | is xterm installed by defalt anyone know ? |
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| 05:31.17 | batcoder-7 | 2ndly how do you drop down to a command line from xdm ? |
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| 05:31.27 | batcoder-7 | if anyone knows off the top of there head |
| 05:31.52 | simonrvn | "their"; ctrl-alt-FX |
| 05:32.05 | batcoder-7 | thanks |
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| 05:32.37 | bolt | ozzzi: what kind of a card is it? |
| 05:33.03 | ozzzi | bolt: lan card |
| 05:33.17 | ozzzi | onboard |
| 05:33.27 | ozzzi | attansic l1 |
| 05:33.29 | Guerin | doesn't tell us a fucking thing |
| 05:33.54 | infinitycircuit | ozzzi: are you the same guy asking about this as before? you need a kernel newer than 2.6.21 |
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| 05:34.20 | infinitycircuit | try kmuto or lenny beta 2 installer |
| 05:34.23 | ozzzi | yes... i tried so hard renew my kerner but i cant do it |
| 05:34.26 | ozzzi | :( |
| 05:34.33 | Guerin | !etchnhalf |
| 05:34.33 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 05:34.35 | bolt | ozzzi: a quick search on google for "1969:1048 (rev 0)" turns up a whole bunch of people having your problem. according to a thread on linuxquestions.org, you need, as infinitycircuit just told you, a kernel newer than 2.6.21 |
| 05:34.41 | Guerin | ozzzi: install that |
| 05:35.01 | batcoder-7 | whats the best way to isntal la sid package in lenny ? |
| 05:35.11 | batcoder-7 | down it manually and dpkg -l ? |
| 05:35.16 | bolt | ozzzi: if your problem is that you need a newer kernel, ask us about your problems with installing the newer kernel, don't go back to asking about the nic |
| 05:35.16 | ozzzi | thats is not EASY to me!!! |
| 05:35.30 | ozzzi | ok |
| 05:35.32 | infinitycircuit | ozzzi: did you try the lenny beta 2 installer |
| 05:35.38 | fantomas_ | Hi all. I'm installing debian on new computer and faced the next problem. I have 4 network cards installed (one - builtin and 3 in PCI slots) but only 2 of them are "recognized" - there are 2 lines in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . Why the others are not there? |
| 05:35.44 | ozzzi | yeah... |
| 05:35.57 | infinitycircuit | fantomas_: try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and rebooting |
| 05:36.07 | infinitycircuit | udev will regenerate the file and hopefully can pick up the other 2 |
| 05:36.14 | infinitycircuit | ozzzi: what was wrong? |
| 05:36.21 | batcoder-7 | anyone ? |
| 05:36.30 | fantomas_ | infinitycircuit: ok, thank you. Can I force to generate one without rebooting? |
| 05:36.41 | ozzzi | wait a minute please?! |
| 05:36.43 | infinitycircuit | fantomas_: not as far as i know |
| 05:36.49 | ozzzi | i ll try agaun |
| 05:37.02 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7: that will avoid updates. i would recommend using pinning to set up a mixed testing/unstable system |
| 05:37.17 | bolt | batcoder-7: add sid repositories, pin package to sid repository, set default distro to lenny and install the package |
| 05:37.33 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, just keyword.url and keyword.enabled |
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| 05:38.54 | ricosecada | Trying to use transcode in divx5 format, but I get the error [export_divx5.so] libdivxencore.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, how do I install libdivxencore.so.0? |
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| 05:41.39 | ozzzi | i need url debian installer again!!! |
| 05:42.06 | bolt | ozzzi: search!!! |
| 05:42.28 | Vasistha | !tell ozzzi about d-i |
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| 05:42.54 | ozzzi | uh... |
| 05:43.01 | bolt | Vasistha: he probably needs etchnhalf though |
| 05:43.33 | Guerin | ricosecada: ask divx corp. |
| 05:43.37 | Vasistha | hehe, etch and a half ... nice |
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| 05:43.38 | Guerin | nothing to do with debian |
| 05:44.04 | bolt | !tell ozzzi about etchnhalf |
| 05:44.15 | bolt | ozzzi: there's a link there, to the lenny b1 installer. use it. |
| 05:44.53 | ricosecada | Guerin, then what? Do I use another format then, or is there a way to get it? |
| 05:44.53 | ozzzi | ok |
| 05:44.53 | batcoder-7 | hi |
| 05:44.53 | batcoder-7 | whats the best wya to install firefox 3 ? |
| 05:44.54 | batcoder-7 | from the debain sid ? |
| 05:45.23 | bolt | !debain |
| 05:45.23 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 05:45.50 | Guerin | bolt: the best way is to not do so. |
| 05:45.52 | Guerin | bah |
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| 05:45.57 | Guerin | batcoder-7: the best way is to not do so. |
| 05:46.01 | bolt | Guerin: huh? |
| 05:46.01 | ricosecada | Guerin, I was using transcode to capture some video on my tv card, I used ffmpeg and mjpeg format, but the files become huge. |
| 05:46.02 | bolt | oh |
| 05:46.05 | `m0 | Hey for me to run a process in background from the console prompt |
| 05:46.08 | `m0 | how do I do it? |
| 05:46.09 | Guerin | bolt: sorry mate. |
| 05:46.12 | batcoder-7 | firefox 3 is MUCH better then firefox 2 |
| 05:46.18 | bolt | Guerin: np :) |
| 05:46.29 | `m0 | I am trying to run my server application in the process |
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| 05:46.31 | batcoder-7 | i mena is there a way i can do this where its not all crazy ? |
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| 05:46.45 | Guerin | ricosecada: use an open standard, not a commercial product. Most mature is probably xvid. Best is x264. |
| 05:46.50 | bolt | m0: append a space and & to the command |
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| 05:46.54 | |v|4s7e|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.58 | Guerin | batcoder-7: no |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: man mount |
| 05:47.16 | batcoder-7 | damn damn |
| 05:47.19 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: i recommend you scrap the | on front of your nick |
| 05:47.24 | bolt | m0: like "ls &" |
| 05:47.25 | batcoder-7 | firefox 3 would REally come in handy |
| 05:47.27 | |v|4s7e|2 | i know how to use mount, but it says its not ext3 |
| 05:47.41 | |v|4s7e|2 | why? |
| 05:47.56 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: did you format it, or just make the partition? |
| 05:47.59 | Guerin | batcoder-7: if you can't figure it out, we're not going to heklp you break your system. You're already using sid, have some personal pride and stand on your own two feet |
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| 05:48.09 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: how do i format it |
| 05:48.13 | batcoder-7 | Guerin: im using lenny |
| 05:48.15 | batcoder-7 | not sid |
| 05:48.29 | Vasistha | |v|4s7e|2: man mke2fs |
| 05:48.30 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: because | is hard to type. |
| 05:48.34 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: mkfs.ext3 |
| 05:48.36 | pa7iQ | hello, how do I kill a program if kill PID and killall NAME doesn't work, not even as root? |
| 05:48.36 | |v|4s7e|2 | | |
| 05:48.39 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: CAREFUL, dammit |
| 05:48.42 | Vasistha | !nickometer |v|4s7e|2 |
| 05:48.44 | dpkg | '|v|4s7e|2' is 85.000% lame, vasistha |
| 05:49.07 | Guerin | pa7iQ: what status is the process in? |
| 05:49.14 | pa7iQ | it's not zombie |
| 05:49.16 | aslag | haha, "nickometer": classic |
| 05:49.18 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: i tried that a while back, f**ked every thing up |
| 05:49.21 | Guerin | pa7iQ: refer to the ouput of ps ax |
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| 05:49.31 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: then you did it to the wrong partition :) |
| 05:49.42 | Guerin | pa7iQ: then -9 might work. But you really don't want to -9 things. |
| 05:49.53 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: prolly, idk the syntax of the command |
| 05:50.00 | Guerin | pa7iQ: man kill will tell you the various signals you can pass |
| 05:50.00 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: which is why I told you to be careful. at least avoid doing it to something which shows up on "mount" |
| 05:50.14 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: man mkfs.ext3? |
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| 05:50.25 | aslag | the only thing really lame about "|v|4s7e|2" as a nick is that "master" isn't very creative. You might as well have picked a nick out of the movie "Hackers" or "The Matrix" |
| 05:50.29 | pa7iQ | Guerin: ok thanks, all processes are sleeping |
| 05:50.42 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: will try |
| 05:51.04 | aslag | HAHAHAHA |
| 05:51.05 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: does it work with ext2 |
| 05:51.23 | |v|4s7e|2 | !nickometer Vasistha |
| 05:51.24 | dpkg | 'Vasistha' is 0.000% lame, |v|4s7e|2 |
| 05:51.25 | Guerin | i think a more appropriate nick would have been |v|4s7e|2|380|2 |
| 05:51.26 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: mkfs.ext2 does. can't imagine why you would want to, though |
| 05:51.33 | Guerin | but that's just me |
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| 05:51.57 | aslag | guerin yours is certainly an improvement |
| 05:52.10 | |v|4s7e|2 | bolt: the driver i have for windows understands ext2 |
| 05:52.31 | bolt | |v|4s7e|2: then mkfs.ext2 |
| 05:52.36 | aslag | of course, any nick that includes 13-year-old little-girl chat would be best, LOL; OKTHXBYE |
| 05:52.52 | Vasistha | |v|4s7e|2: the nickometer measures how many non-alphabetic characters, and how many mixed-case letters there are, in a fuzzy kind of way, and assigns it a somewhat arbitrary percentage of a measure it describes as "lame" -- endless fun for all! |
| 05:53.49 | simonrvn | aslag, /nick LOLWTFKTHXOMG |
| 05:53.52 | Guerin | aslag: and being in GREAT RUNES makes it so much the better |
| 05:54.20 | aslag | HA! |
| 05:54.25 | aslag | so true |
| 05:54.28 | aslag | amirite? |
| 05:54.31 | Guerin | i must say, nickomete is much more fiorgiving than it was |
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| 05:54.55 | bolt | hm.. |
| 05:54.57 | bolt | !nickometer neo |
| 05:54.59 | dpkg | 'neo' is 0.000% lame, bolt |
| 05:55.00 | Guerin | in the olden days it would pounish those with punctuation and topline quite brutally |
| 05:55.04 | bolt | it really needs a dictionary |
| 05:55.09 | Guerin | batcoder-7: it does! |
| 05:55.13 | aslag | speaking of silly internets language, check out www.lolcode.com . Now THAT'S a good idea |
| 05:55.14 | Guerin | <sigh> |
| 05:55.17 | simonrvn | á«áµá¹ |
| 05:55.21 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 05:55.36 | simonrvn | how about that as a nick? ;) |
| 05:55.36 | aslag | TEH interwebs are truly a breeding ground for all things awful |
| 05:56.07 | bolt | aslag: CAN HAS STDIO? |
| 05:56.19 | aslag | bolt: I know! isn't it legendary? |
| 05:56.28 | |v|4s7e|2 | !nickometer nickometer |
| 05:56.28 | bolt | aslag: indeed |
| 05:56.29 | dpkg | 'nickometer' is 0.000% lame, |v|4s7e|2 |
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| 05:57.28 | Vasistha | hands N1234567890 /msg dpkg |
| 05:57.40 | aslag | seriously though, "zero cool": how'd you pull that one out? excellent work on that one, bolt |
| 05:57.42 | simonrvn | !nickmeter N1234567890 |
| 05:57.43 | dpkg | N1234567890 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 05:58.01 | Vasistha | see, I have to disagree. I think the former was much more lame. |
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| 05:58.22 | bolt | aslag: :) |
| 05:58.31 | bolt | stop playing with the damn bot |
| 05:58.38 | Guerin | i concur |
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| 05:59.34 | aslag | we need a nick-suggester that starts wayward chatters off right. Perhaps "bud" or "andy" could be first suggestions. We could really give a helping-hand to the nick-choosing incompetent |
| 05:59.38 | simonrvn | [nix]-hack: fix your intarwebs |
| 06:00.13 | bolt | how do you fit linux into *nix? sounds like a serious programming error concerning wildcards there... |
| 06:00.21 | [nix]-hack | lol |
| 06:00.42 | CaT[t3] | bolt: not if you're lysdexic. |
| 06:00.43 | Vasistha | you have to pronounce it like an american: "linix" |
| 06:00.46 | |v|4s7e|2 | woohoo i formatted and mounted it without opening a timespace ripping wormhole in my livingroom |
| 06:01.16 | simonrvn | |v|4s7e|2: congrats |
| 06:01.17 | [nix]-hack | simonrvn: I just almost got killed by some lightening |
| 06:01.19 | bolt | Vasistha: linooooks |
| 06:01.32 | simonrvn | [nix]-hack: i'm glad you're ok |
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| 06:01.38 | [nix]-hack | bad weather |
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| 06:01.40 | aslag | bolt: how about "crash override" and "lord nikon"? Sweet hell, man, hackers really did lay down the gauntlet |
| 06:01.57 | simonrvn | quite stormy... |
| 06:02.18 | [nix]-hack | happens too often |
| 06:03.43 | SpeedyG | bad weather? hm, send some over here |
| 06:03.55 | bolt | aslag: yep |
| 06:04.04 | |v|4s7e|2 | why when i "shutdown now" does my processes end then all start up again |
| 06:04.47 | SpeedyG | they're expecting f*cking 32C here today.. which means a moisty heat in which breathing is crappy :( |
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| 06:05.16 | simonrvn | |v|4s7e|2: -h or -r (halt or reboot) |
| 06:05.17 | Vasistha | 32? That somehow just doesn't sound all that bad. |
| 06:05.34 | SpeedyG | Vasistha: here it is |
| 06:05.55 | Vasistha | SpeedyG: are you in England or something? It seems as if we've had this discussion before |
| 06:05.56 | SpeedyG | last year i've been to turkey, where 46 was quite way better than 32 is here .. |
| 06:06.11 | SpeedyG | Vasistha: netherlands.. so same climate I guess ;) |
| 06:07.18 | Vasistha | SpeedyG: similar infrastructure that is not designed for heat ... I was in India for 4 months, and I was quite happy when it was 38. When I cam ehome to Los Angeles in May, it felt really cold all the time. I even had my heater on a few nights. |
| 06:07.23 | |v|4s7e|2 | its 13 celsius here now |
| 06:08.33 | |v|4s7e|2 | the high 2moro is 24 |
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| 06:12.51 | |v|4s7e|2 | i keep gettin cmos checksum error, replace the battery?? |
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| 06:14.05 | ozzzi | ok..now im getting this filehttp://chuangtzu.acc.umu.se/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 06:14.39 | ozzzi | and try boot with usb stick |
| 06:15.04 | ozzzi | and wt the next step/? |
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| 06:16.18 | batcoder-7 | how much work do i have in fornt of me for a usb wireless wifi adapter ? |
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| 06:16.30 | batcoder-7 | looks like most examples load it through some ndis |
| 06:16.40 | batcoder-7 | wrapper or something |
| 06:18.26 | |v|4s7e|2 | batcoder-7 good luck, ive never gotten ndiswrapper to work on a usb adapter |
| 06:19.29 | batcoder-7 | i f9und a nice how too |
| 06:19.33 | batcoder-7 | looks pretty fool proof |
| 06:19.50 | |v|4s7e|2 | batcoder-7: for your exact adapter |
| 06:19.54 | batcoder-7 | what is a good debian wifi program or just one in general to connect to wireless networkj etc ? |
| 06:19.56 | batcoder-7 | yep |
| 06:22.24 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i change the console resolution with a frame buffer??\ |
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| 06:22.37 | Tipolosko | hi :) |
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| 06:23.50 | SPF | |v|4s7e|2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer |
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| 06:27.01 | omry | can update-alternative work on a per user basis? |
| 06:27.20 | `m0 | I have an application I want to run always, how do I run it in the background instead of console |
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| 06:28.02 | omry | `m0, ctrontab -e |
| 06:28.33 | omry | you can hook to the boot event. |
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| 06:28.55 | `m0 | don't they do it using screen? |
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| 06:29.25 | omry | ? |
| 06:29.28 | omry | no |
| 06:30.39 | ozzzi | how to edit network/interfaces? |
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| 06:31.11 | omry | vim /etc/vim /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:31.20 | omry | vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:31.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:31.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:31.28 | ozzzi | debian |
| 06:31.37 | ozzzi | yes |
| 06:31.49 | epsilon | or use nano instead vim |
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| 06:32.21 | Guerin | or use emacs instead of either |
| 06:32.39 | ozzzi | nano is ok |
| 06:32.39 | epsilon | I use emacs, but it's not in the default installation sadly |
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| 06:33.17 | omry | speaking of editors, I bring up my question again: can update-alternative work on a per user basis? |
| 06:33.25 | Guerin | no |
| 06:33.42 | Guerin | but those are last-ditch fallback defaults |
| 06:33.51 | omry | last-ditch ? |
| 06:33.55 | epsilon | but you can specify a defult editor per user |
| 06:34.00 | omry | ah, okay. how? |
| 06:34.02 | \amethyst | omry: the appropriate way is to set the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variable |
| 06:34.14 | Guerin | you can set up plenty of other defaults, mostly using environment variables |
| 06:34.15 | epsilon | export EDITOR=jed |
| 06:34.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:34.21 | Guerin | them |
| 06:34.29 | epsilon | (or nano, vim whatever instead jed) |
| 06:34.39 | epsilon | in ~/.bashrc |
| 06:34.41 | omry | and how do I start said editor then? |
| 06:35.10 | omry | because export EDITOR=jed;editor ; starts vun |
| 06:35.11 | omry | vim |
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| 06:35.31 | \amethyst | omry: sensible-editor |
| 06:35.47 | Guerin | i bind mine to e using alias |
| 06:35.53 | Guerin | hence: e file.conf |
| 06:35.55 | epsilon | do you have jed installed and run . .bashrc? |
| 06:36.36 | omry | Guerin, well, I guess I can bind to editor. the problem is some programs runs editor (svn for instance). |
| 06:36.41 | omry | run |
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| 06:38.23 | \amethyst | omry: subversion should use $EDITOR, and fall back to 'editor' only if that is not set |
| 06:39.15 | \amethyst | it might try $SVN_EDITOR and $VISUAL first |
| 06:39.59 | omry | \amethyst, thanks. seems to do it. |
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| 06:40.07 | omry | (use $EDITOR) |
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| 06:43.22 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i change the console font |
| 06:43.48 | simonrvn | very easily |
| 06:44.08 | |v|4s7e|2 | how? |
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| 06:50.07 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i change the console font?? |
| 06:50.34 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:51.08 | |v|4s7e|2 | thankyou |
| 06:51.58 | ice63 | how do i change resoltion for x in lenny ? |
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| 06:52.13 | |v|4s7e|2 | simonrvn: all that does is reconfig my keymap |
| 06:52.24 | simonrvn | oh yeh.. sec |
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| 06:53.06 | simonrvn | ok can't recall which it is but try consolekit or console-setup |
| 06:53.41 | |v|4s7e|2 | nope neither :( |
| 06:53.59 | mns | Has anyone tried to use the SD card slot on an HP OfficeJet printer ? |
| 06:54.19 | simonrvn | how about console-common? |
| 06:54.42 | simonrvn | or -tools... fuck, they changed it |
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| 06:54.52 | mns | ice63: use xrandr |
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| 06:55.28 | |v|4s7e|2 | nope |
| 06:55.45 | ice63 | mns: ok but how ? |
| 06:55.55 | mns | Are you on a laptop ? |
| 06:56.09 | ice63 | no |
| 06:56.27 | ice63 | i use blackbox |
| 06:56.44 | Supaplex | I'm not on a laptop. I'm on euphoia ;) |
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| 06:57.06 | batcoder-7 | are yout interfce files generated ? or what ? |
| 06:57.36 | mns | ice63: just type in xrandr in a xterm and see what it says |
| 06:58.02 | ice63 | mns: ok i will |
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| 06:58.29 | mns | ice63: also there is information on how to use it at the Debian wiki |
| 06:59.00 | mns | if you want paste the output to #flood |
| 06:59.21 | ice63 | k think you mns |
| 06:59.36 | mns | no probs |
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| 07:00.32 | varlon | hi, can I uninstall trac from Lenny, if it was installed by easy_install ? |
| 07:00.57 | simonrvn | batcoder-7: they are at install time. you can always set up a new one/edit current ne. make backups. |
| 07:01.11 | mns | varlon: doesn't aptitude purge trac take care of what you need ? |
| 07:01.29 | simonrvn | WTH is easy_install? |
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| 07:01.31 | batcoder-7 | simonrvn: ok just curious when those things were made and or generated |
| 07:01.33 | cyc | re |
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| 07:02.01 | simonrvn | *one |
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| 07:02.49 | cyc | I've got a fully patched (apt-get'ed) debian etch and suddenly I've got a problem with clamav. The system worked fine for months ... but now amavis cannot connect to /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (the file actually isn't there) |
| 07:03.04 | cyc | how to solve that? restarts of amavis and clam antivirus didn't help |
| 07:03.30 | varlon | mns, I have try to use trac via apache swig module, but from debs it doesn't work, than I try easy_install, it's works, but unstable |
| 07:03.43 | Supaplex | cyc: check bts, and possibly use strace |
| 07:03.44 | varlon | svn db was always corrupted |
| 07:03.49 | simonrvn | cyc: check where the /var/run file gets written and change amavis... just off the top of my head. |
| 07:04.00 | mns | varlon: what is easy_install ? |
| 07:04.02 | simonrvn | BTS is a good call too |
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| 07:04.20 | simonrvn | varlon: WTH is easy_install? |
| 07:05.13 | magentar | icq seems to be broken in pidgin 2.4.2 but fixed in 2.4.3, will there be packages for lenny soon, or would you suggest compiling? |
| 07:05.17 | varlon | easy_install it's a python scripts for simple installation, this was discribed in http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall, full discription here: http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall |
| 07:05.30 | Guerin | magentar: !why is pidgin not in testing? |
| 07:05.35 | Guerin | err |
| 07:05.38 | Guerin | !why is pidgin not in testing? |
| 07:05.39 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 07:05.45 | magentar | thanks |
| 07:05.45 | Guerin | magentar: see that :) |
| 07:05.49 | simonrvn | varlon: not a supported way to install it. use the packages. |
| 07:05.57 | varlon | :) |
| 07:05.57 | cyc | simonrvn file/socket should be in /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl ... but it isn't there, and clamd is now a cpu hog ... it uses 100% for some reason |
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| 07:06.20 | varlon | simonrvn, I know. now I want to remove this and use debs |
| 07:06.30 | simonrvn | the fuck... mine's running ok, i'm running of etch volatile |
| 07:06.38 | simonrvn | off* |
| 07:06.51 | cyc | clamd.conf:LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
| 07:06.57 | cyc | the path is allright ... |
| 07:06.59 | simonrvn | varlon: rm is your friend i'd say |
| 07:07.16 | varlon | :-) |
| 07:07.20 | simonrvn | rm -rf is your worst nightmare |
| 07:07.31 | simonrvn | i.e., be careful |
| 07:08.18 | simonrvn | varlon: if you need something more up to date, use backports.org, or backport it yourself |
| 07:08.45 | varlon | it's [rm] a last step, but may be it's single |
| 07:09.10 | varlon | simonrvn, I'm using backports and some else repositories |
| 07:09.25 | simonrvn | unless they have uninstall instructions, i'd do it that way |
| 07:09.51 | cyc | Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd Running as user amavis (UID 110, GID 111) |
| 07:09.52 | cyc | drwxr-xr-x 2 amavis clamav 48 2008-07-02 08:21 clamav |
| 07:09.59 | simonrvn | varlon: be careful with some 3rd party repos |
| 07:10.06 | cyc | there shouldn't be a problem with creating the socket .. |
| 07:10.07 | varlon | it's was a attempt |
| 07:10.53 | simonrvn | cyc: could be that it doesn't have permission to create the socket, hence it being missing |
| 07:10.56 | extor | If my apache is compiled with mpm-prefork...does this mean I can't use mpm-worker in favor of prefork? Cuz I just read that worker is way faster under heavy load than prefork is. Prefork is also a lot older, 1.3 legacy in fact |
| 07:11.39 | simonrvn | prefork is *like* legacy, in that it behaves similarly |
| 07:11.41 | Guerin | extor: #apache? |
| 07:11.43 | |v|4s7e|2 | anyone know a good ftp server |
| 07:11.54 | varlon | I'm careful. but thanks for you nitice |
| 07:11.56 | Guerin | !best ftp server |
| 07:11.57 | Supaplex | |v|4s7e|2: 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:11.59 | Guerin | grr |
| 07:12.18 | Guerin | dpkg, best ftp server is if vsftpd is good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for you. |
| 07:12.19 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:12.52 | Supaplex | !start an ftpd war |
| 07:12.55 | cyc | simonrvn but I've just pasted permissions for clamav directory where the socket should be located .. it's owned by amavis user ... and clamd is started as amavisd user ...? |
| 07:13.01 | simonrvn | !best ftp server =~ s,if,<reply>if, |
| 07:13.01 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 07:13.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: pedant :) |
| 07:13.12 | cyc | amavis 440 1 99 09:07 ? 00:04:18 /usr/sbin/clamd |
| 07:13.18 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 07:13.26 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 07:13.39 | cyc | could it be that this socket isn't created at once at start ... but after a couple of minutes? |
| 07:13.43 | cyc | for some reason ... |
| 07:13.48 | bbinotto | hi, how can I rerun a postinst script? |
| 07:14.00 | bbinotto | or where are they located? |
| 07:14.02 | epsilon | |v|4s7e|2: depends on what you need |
| 07:14.03 | simonrvn | cyc: your paste was meaningless. you didn't say what that was. also, use a pastebin, thanks |
| 07:14.12 | Guerin | bbinotto: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 07:14.16 | simonrvn | cyc: that doesn't make sense |
| 07:14.16 | cyc | simonrvn ok, sorry |
| 07:14.55 | bbinotto | Guerin: thank you! |
| 07:15.09 | |v|4s7e|2 | epsilon: transferring music on my local network and sometimes remotely |
| 07:15.12 | Guerin | bbinotto: welcome! |
| 07:15.17 | simonrvn | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 685K 2008-05-12 15:02 bash |
| 07:15.29 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: why in god's name would you use a ftpd for that? |
| 07:15.40 | simonrvn | on the lan? why not use nfs or something? |
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| 07:15.46 | Guerin | sshfs for the win |
| 07:15.57 | Supaplex | because he lacks ssh ;) |
| 07:15.57 | epsilon | |v|4s7e|2: static users with their own home, nothing special? |
| 07:15.59 | terragna | haha |
| 07:16.02 | Guerin | it's even sane to use remotely, like across teh intarwebby |
| 07:16.04 | |v|4s7e|2 | guerin: im usin icecast2 and ill be adding songs alot |
| 07:16.04 | simonrvn | whatever fucking works :) |
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| 07:16.13 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: not a good reason |
| 07:16.24 | |v|4s7e|2 | guerin: what'd u suggest |
| 07:16.32 | simonrvn | he just did |
| 07:16.32 | Supaplex | rsync+ssh ftw |
| 07:16.33 | Guerin | i have a sshfs mount automatically from fstab |
| 07:16.38 | Guerin | it's transparent and awesome |
| 07:16.47 | Guerin | you just use cp |
| 07:16.51 | simonrvn | T3H awesome |
| 07:17.01 | Guerin | yesh |
| 07:17.04 | Guerin | T3H |
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| 07:17.44 | |v|4s7e|2 | ? |
| 07:17.50 | cyc | simonrvn http://pastebin.com/m650902d |
| 07:17.57 | epsilon | |v|4s7e|2: for local trasfer, I'd use samba/nfs/sshfs something, for remote, you can use any ftpd for system users |
| 07:18.01 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 07:18.21 | Supaplex | you're welcome. |
| 07:18.54 | ArtVandalae | |v|4s7e|2: you can also use sftp (like SSH) instead of setting up an FTP server |
| 07:18.56 | Guerin | no |
| 07:18.59 | Guerin | sshfs for remote |
| 07:19.05 | Guerin | that's the glorious thing about it |
| 07:19.11 | Guerin | no server-side config |
| 07:19.13 | Guerin | secure |
| 07:19.26 | Guerin | fs-transparent |
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| 07:19.27 | Guerin | etc. |
| 07:19.35 | |v|4s7e|2 | im little-experienced and want it easy, im gonna go with ftp |
| 07:19.45 | simonrvn | cyc: looks like it keeps restarting itself |
| 07:19.46 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:19.51 | Guerin | the hardest of the possible options |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | but hey |
| 07:20.04 | Guerin | !tahwtda |
| 07:20.04 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
| 07:20.05 | cyc | simonrvn I help with the restarting in hope socket will be created ;) |
| 07:20.06 | simonrvn | being a newbie is not an excuse to do dumb things |
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| 07:20.16 | Supaplex | !tell Guerin -about enter |
| 07:20.21 | simonrvn | ok false alarm |
| 07:20.29 | Guerin | Supaplex: OMGTHX |
| 07:20.33 | cyc | but it uses one cpu core ... |
| 07:20.37 | |v|4s7e|2 | how is it dumb |
| 07:20.56 | epsilon | it's NOT dumb - it depends on the situation |
| 07:21.07 | simonrvn | Guerin gave you an example of doing something securely and easily |
| 07:21.30 | |v|4s7e|2 | i dont need security |
| 07:21.40 | simonrvn | epsilon: for his purpose it's pointless, IMO |
| 07:21.45 | epsilon | and what if the remote box is windows with installed ftp-client? still dumb? |
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| 07:22.08 | simonrvn | i don't deal with windows. screw that. i don't support it. |
| 07:22.24 | epsilon | then don't comment |
| 07:22.39 | simonrvn | i'll comment when and how i feel like |
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| 07:23.22 | simonrvn | go ahead and put me on /ignore if you don't want to see what i say |
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| 07:25.15 | cyc | I'm worried because I know one sysadmin that had exactly the same problem ... and he told me he didn't do anything at all, clamav started to work fine again, created the socket file ... :-/ And the version I have wasn't upgraded for quite some time (and it's the newest available for etch at the same time) |
| 07:26.02 | Supaplex | cyc: how's it work if you purge and reinstall? did you try strace? what's bts say? how does a newer version work? |
| 07:26.04 | cyc | (i.e. I don't see a reason for my problem) |
| 07:27.04 | simonrvn | i have volatile and backports.org for my etch box. works ok. try one of those; in fact, i'd suggest it, for stuff like that. |
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| 07:27.15 | extor | libapache2-mod-speedycgi, apache2 module to speed up perl scripts by making them persistent <--- Doesn't mod_perl and mod_fastcgi make perl scripts persistent too? |
| 07:27.35 | Supaplex | yes, but TIMTOWTDI |
| 07:28.08 | simonrvn | Tim Towtdi is a funny guy |
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| 07:29.37 | pozic | How can I find a menu entry in the Gnome GUI that calls the binary foo without going through the hundreds of items myself? |
| 07:30.32 | Gregory[CH] | I've got a question. I am up with apache 2.2 and php5. I have the default website, now I wish to add a website for 10.50.4.82 with hostname remus.network.lan which is already known by my DNS ? Is there any special way to configure this on apache2 on debian ? |
| 07:31.00 | Gregory[CH] | I mean I know how apache works, but it comes with different directories in /etc/apache2 which is less usual |
| 07:31.01 | cyc | simonrvn http://pastebin.com/m278ef665 - strace output ... I'm not sure it's ok at all, because it isn't started with the start script |
| 07:31.19 | Gregory[CH] | sites-enbaled, site-available, etc.. |
| 07:31.48 | cyc | simonrvn shat is bts ? |
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| 07:32.38 | cyc | simonrvn about the "newer" version - it's the newest debian package and has been working until today for months |
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| 07:33.39 | simonrvn | cyc: well, you need to follow it for one thing. also: ii clamav-daemon 0.93.1.dfsg-volatile1 |
| 07:33.46 | simonrvn | it isn't. |
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| 07:34.52 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 07:35.12 | cyc | simonrvn from which repo do you have that? |
| 07:35.29 | simonrvn | volatile |
| 07:35.33 | Supaplex | !volatile |
| 07:35.34 | dpkg | hmm... volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 07:36.17 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 07:36.26 | simonrvn | nini |
| 07:36.27 | Supaplex | my caffination system is defective. |
| 07:36.28 | cyc | dpkg will trying to install this new clamav apt try to change half of the system? :) |
| 07:36.28 | dpkg | cyc: You are moron #8 |
| 07:36.37 | Supaplex | hahahaaaa |
| 07:36.48 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:36.55 | Supaplex | dpkg: how are you? |
| 07:36.55 | dpkg | Supaplex: eh, ok |
| 07:37.04 | simonrvn | cyc: it's built for etch, dude |
| 07:37.09 | cyc | ok |
| 07:37.09 | simonrvn | switches off the monitor |
| 07:37.28 | Supaplex | waves buh bye to the simonrvn |
| 07:41.33 | pozic | What package contains the X open-source Nv driver? |
| 07:42.01 | pozic | Never mind |
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| 07:42.29 | pozic | I had a wrong package selection which made that it wasn't displayed. |
| 07:42.35 | Supaplex | xserver-xorg-video-nv: usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so |
| 07:43.12 | Supaplex | according to locate nv | grep xorg, then apt-file search /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so. but dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so does just as well. :) |
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| 07:46.32 | cyc | simonrvn if you're still there .... http://pastebin.com/m1a5855fd |
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| 07:46.40 | cyc | simonrvn thanks for the info :) |
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| 07:47.48 | |v|4s7e|2 | i cant transfer files on the ftp server |
| 07:47.53 | Supaplex | cyc: did you see the monitor turning off bit? He's most likely gone. |
| 07:48.47 | Supaplex | |v|4s7e|2: does it work locally? try ftp on the system the ftpd is running. NAT and some firewalls break ftp. |
| 07:49.26 | |v|4s7e|2 | no it doesn't work locally |
| 07:49.41 | |v|4s7e|2 | i can view, not transfer |
| 07:49.43 | Supaplex | what are the symptoms? |
| 07:49.59 | |v|4s7e|2 | 553 Could not create file. |
| 07:50.19 | Supaplex | who are you logged in as? |
| 07:50.19 | |v|4s7e|2 | i have anon mkdir and create enabled |
| 07:50.24 | |v|4s7e|2 | anonymous |
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| 07:51.22 | Supaplex | did you do anything special to allow anonymous logins mkdir+create? |
| 07:51.28 | E-bola | I ahve a problem with a regular filetransfer im getting from one of our suppliers, when they delvier the file via scp, another user does not have the right to rename the file. What decides what permissions a file copied in with scp has? |
| 07:52.05 | Tipolosko | E-bola: i think it retain the original permissions |
| 07:52.11 | Tipolosko | if it can :) |
| 07:52.14 | Supaplex | E-bola: the client can set the permissions, but the owner should be the same as the login |
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| 07:52.36 | |v|4s7e|2 | Supaplex: yeah, in the config file |
| 07:52.38 | E-bola | Supaplex: How? Via chmod or what do you mean? |
| 07:52.50 | Supaplex | E-bola: setuid directories can overcome part of that problem |
| 07:53.02 | E-bola | that was one idea i had, simpply making him use ssh to chmod the file after transfer, but it seems a bit dumb |
| 07:53.17 | cyc | hehe .... |
| 07:53.19 | Supaplex | E-bola: well, chmod isn't the only thing that can change it. |
| 07:53.22 | E-bola | But then i realised i actualy dont knwo what decides permissions on new files in linux |
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| 07:53.30 | cyc | Supaplex that's why I wrote that "if" ;) |
| 07:53.47 | Supaplex | eg, the chmod() system call is used by plenty of things. hence scp having that possibility |
| 07:54.08 | E-bola | So are you saying he can use a flag/parameter in scp when transfering the file? |
| 07:54.38 | Supaplex | I'm not sure. I know sftp and rsync do this. I don't use scp enough to care, because rsync -a gets it right. :) |
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| 07:55.16 | Supaplex | it looks like scp -p could affect it. |
| 07:55.19 | Guerin | E-bola: man scp. I think it's -p |
| 07:55.21 | E-bola | Is it not possible to set the correct permissions on the directory, and make files inherit them? Like with NTFS |
| 07:55.29 | Guerin | E-bola: or just use rsync |
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| 07:56.12 | Supaplex | E-bola: I think that's what the suid/sgid directory permission are for. |
| 07:56.22 | |v|4s7e|2 | any ideas? |
| 07:56.30 | E-bola | rsync is not an option (its not me transfering the file in) |
| 07:56.38 | E-bola | also man scp does not reveal any information to me |
| 07:56.40 | vagothcpp | hey, I got the debian minimal install (debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso), it does not detect my hard drive and I am unsure as to which to use when it gives me a choice, would anyone have a suggestion? |
| 07:56.49 | E-bola | it states -p preserves times and mdoes of the file, but thats no good |
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| 07:57.31 | Supaplex | |v|4s7e|2: I'm a few hours past sleep. mmm try looking in the /usr/share/doc - man pages, or online for howto/solutions. I'm sure someone's done it, if it's possible. |
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| 07:59.21 | |v|4s7e|2 | |v|4s7e|2: i set it up with a howto, ill try another |
| 07:59.32 | vagothcpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.49 | Supaplex | vagothcpp: my drivers work with debian |
| 07:59.51 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: are you still persisting with ftp? |
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| 08:00.34 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: how about just doing sshfs user@host:/some/dir /mount/point and using cp? |
| 08:00.37 | vagothcpp | Supalex: The install does not detect my drive and asks for me to choose a driver, I got no idea which to pick, and/.or if I have to provide my own |
| 08:00.55 | Guerin | vagothcpp: what motherboard? |
| 08:01.28 | vagothcpp | Guerin: Asus P5VD2-VM |
| 08:01.38 | Guerin | vagothcpp: new? |
| 08:01.42 | vagothcpp | Old |
| 08:01.55 | vagothcpp | Had it for 2 years |
| 08:01.56 | Guerin | ok, so it's not a matter of the kernel being too old |
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| 08:02.25 | vagothcpp | My harddrive is a sata II disk, install does not find it |
| 08:02.42 | |v|4s7e|2 | Guerin: ftp is simple enough for me, although its prooving not to be |
| 08:02.59 | Supaplex | vagothcpp: what release are you installing? Where'd you get it from? |
| 08:03.28 | vagothcpp | debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso, friend linked it just yesterday |
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| 08:04.01 | Supaplex | I'd ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 08:04.13 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: install sshfs, try what I said, see if it works for you |
| 08:05.04 | freebse | hi, the kwin styles in unstable are just for windows decorations or is this a bug, I dist-upgraded and all kde styles were gone, the windows decorations are there, reinstalling does not help, I guess this is a bug |
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| 08:05.25 | Guerin | freebse: /msg dpkg bts |
| 08:05.53 | Supaplex | maybe it's a feature. ;) |
| 08:05.55 | freebse | Guerin: I tried dpkg |
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| 08:06.04 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:06.06 | |v|4s7e|2 | Guerin: the problem is that requires an ssh client, which i dont have on the comps at my school, a place i will be uploading from |
| 08:06.22 | Guerin | |v|4s7e|2: winscp |
| 08:06.34 | Guerin | self-contained executable |
| 08:06.47 | freebse | hm ya could be a feature, Plastik is allright I guess |
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| 08:06.55 | Guerin | i took it with me everywhere I went in the windows-only wastelands of asia |
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| 08:07.15 | Supaplex | |v|4s7e|2: usb fixes that deficency :) |
| 08:07.34 | freebse | lol all original version in asia off course |
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| 08:08.00 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.25 | Supaplex | never underestimate the throughput of a kid using sneakernet. ;) |
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| 08:09.01 | Supaplex | walks into the next room with a cakebox of dvd's. |
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| 08:11.03 | Guerin | freebse: of course. All the same original version! |
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| 08:12.15 | Supaplex | slaps the SIGCOMATOSE switch |
| 08:13.00 | freebse | Guerin: I found out this ppl are the only ones who run Vista from the very first day, off course all the same version as well |
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| 08:16.35 | liable | vagothcpp: either look up your motherboard specs, or look in the hardware manager thing in windows |
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| 08:18.34 | vagothcpp | I have recieved a possible solution atm, I wil lreturn if further errors pursue. |
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| 08:19.15 | JesseT77 | Does anyone know if Bind9 (etch stable) dumps log files by default in any more than one place? |
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| 08:26.35 | stew | JesseT77: they go to /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 08:27.59 | saintiss | hi all |
| 08:28.15 | saintiss | I can't access google/gmail even though I know it's not down... might be some DNS problems... does anyone know a "trick" to still check my gmail? |
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| 08:29.04 | Tipolosko | saintiss: try to change dns server :) |
| 08:29.18 | saintiss | Tipolosko, didn't work, unless you know a public DNS server I could use? |
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| 08:30.05 | Sling | saintiss : can't you query it by POP |
| 08:30.16 | Sling | instead of the webinterface |
| 08:30.33 | saintiss | Sling, I'm using IMAP actually, but that doesn't work because it can't lookup the imap host |
| 08:30.38 | saintiss | would be the same for pop |
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| 08:31.21 | fantomas_ | Hi. Whats wrong with MASQUERADE? New debian installation claims the argument is bad |
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| 08:32.22 | themill | saintiss: so you get no response from nslookup imap.gmail.com |
| 08:32.45 | Sling | tried 66.249.93.109 as well? |
| 08:32.50 | Sling | or 66.249.93.111 |
| 08:33.01 | Sling | thats gmail-imap.l.google.com |
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| 08:33.16 | saintiss | themill, indeed |
| 08:33.35 | Guerin | fantomas_: context is everything |
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| 08:34.03 | themill | saintiss: and if you specify a different nameserver on the command line (perhaps one of the opendns ones if you've got no alternative...) |
| 08:34.03 | saintiss | Sling, hmm, let's see |
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| 08:34.21 | fantomas_ | Oh, I stupid. Sorry for question. |
| 08:34.33 | fantomas_ | Guerin: ok, fixed. :) |
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| 08:34.49 | fantomas_ | Guerin: true about context ) |
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| 08:35.27 | saintiss | themill, ok, where can I find those? |
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| 08:35.56 | ptman | Hi! I'm having problems with etch and nfs4 |
| 08:36.07 | ptman | I have it working in a test setup on virtual machines |
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| 08:36.20 | ptman | but now that I'm trying to put it on a real server, I have problems |
| 08:36.26 | Astroman | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.40 | ptman | when I try to mount the share, I get: |
| 08:36.54 | ptman | mount: block device nfs:/home is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 08:37.07 | saintiss | Sling, can't access them |
| 08:37.08 | ptman | mount: cannot mount block device nfs:/home read-only |
| 08:37.28 | Sling | saintiss : hm they might be local mirrors here in NL |
| 08:37.40 | Sling | you have no route to the host? |
| 08:37.45 | Sling | or does it ignore requests |
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| 08:38.21 | saintiss | Sling, trying to access the imap ip at port 993 just timeouts |
| 08:39.04 | Tipolosko | saintiss: about dns.. you can use opendns |
| 08:39.21 | saintiss | Tipolosko, where do I find that? |
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| 08:39.53 | dragonheart | saintiss: have you enabled ssl? |
| 08:39.56 | Sling | hm i get a listening socket here on 993, so might be something blocking your requests |
| 08:40.18 | MacGyverNL | Is there a utility that simulates serial ports? |
| 08:40.56 | saintiss | ok, using opendns now |
| 08:40.57 | dragonheart | could try openssl s_client -connect gmail-imap.l.google.com:993 |
| 08:41.00 | saintiss | can access google www |
| 08:41.04 | saintiss | but not gmail through the web |
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| 08:41.26 | Tipolosko | saintiss: use dns 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 |
| 08:41.37 | saintiss | Tipolosko, indeed, just found out myself, thanks :) |
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| 08:41.42 | saintiss | interestingly, gmail IMAP works |
| 08:41.47 | saintiss | just gmail web does not |
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| 08:46.12 | saintiss | anyway, thanks all :) |
| 08:46.34 | Akegata | is the pidgin package broken atm? When I try to install it, apt tells me it's been replaced by libpurple0, libpurple-bin and finch. |
| 08:47.18 | themill | Akegata: can you pastebin that output for us? |
| 08:47.27 | themill | (and the command you used) |
| 08:48.10 | Akegata | http://pastebin.com/d15901b66 |
| 08:48.52 | themill | Akegata: are you running lenny/sid? |
| 08:50.26 | Akegata | yeah |
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| 08:53.24 | themill | Akegata: odd. pidgin 2.4.2 is most definitely in lenny. |
| 08:54.06 | stew | Akegata: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 08:56.04 | themill | stew: good morning! Aren't you supposed to be tucked up in bed asleep!? |
| 08:56.15 | stew | yes |
| 08:56.34 | ptman | is nfs sensitive to 64bit/32bit issues? |
| 08:56.58 | Akegata | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1060346 |
| 08:57.26 | stew | themill: aparantly i wanted to take a break from sleeping for a while. i should be getting back to it soon |
| 08:57.35 | themill | heh |
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| 08:57.51 | themill | Akegata: what manner of strange pinning do you have and why? |
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| 08:57.59 | Akegata | I have no idea :P |
| 08:58.26 | Akegata | don't think I've done anything like that manually.. |
| 08:58.30 | stew | Akegata: you've told it to not install any new packages, only security updates |
| 08:58.46 | guysoft42 | hey all, does anyone have documentation how i can build glibc-source on debian? when upgrading libc6 it keep getting a request for it |
| 08:58.47 | themill | Akegata: what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:58.49 | Akegata | how would I have done that? O_o |
| 08:58.54 | stew | Akegata: someone did. look at /etc/apt/preferences (man apt_preferences) |
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| 09:02.01 | Akegata | hey, look at that. Just moving /etc/apt/preferences solved everything. |
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| 09:02.07 | Akegata | thank you! |
| 09:02.13 | Akegata | I really appreciate the help. :) |
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| 09:03.02 | stew | Akegata: if you are running lenny, you should get rid of the backports.org source and change the security.debian.org source to be pointing at lenny/updates instead of etch/updates |
| 09:03.15 | stew | Akegata: if you are running etch, you should get rid of the lenny source |
| 09:03.30 | Akegata | alright |
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| 09:09.33 | E-bola | Hmm if i want new files to have permissions 775, what should i set my UMASK to? |
| 09:10.28 | stew | E-bola: 002 since 777-775=002 |
| 09:11.02 | E-bola | ohh thats how u calculate it, i couldnt understand the examples from google |
| 09:11.03 | E-bola | thanks alot |
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| 09:11.19 | E-bola | I wonder why they didnt simply make it the same as the chmod numbers? |
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| 09:17.27 | E-bola | Hmmm if i uncomment the umask 022 line in .bash_profile shouldnt it take effect when i use scp to copy in a file? |
| 09:17.31 | E-bola | (it does not) |
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| 09:18.09 | E-bola | It says to use /etc/login.defs but i do not want to change it for the whole system, only for this specific user |
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| 09:20.42 | ArthurArchnix | lspci and lshw don't give me any info about my laptops lcd screen... anyone got the right command to query vendor and product ids off the thing? |
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| 09:21.02 | streuner | pciids.sf.net ? |
| 09:21.57 | streuner | show us what you get with "lspci -v | grep -i vga" |
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| 09:22.11 | streuner | !laptops |
| 09:22.12 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 09:22.58 | E-bola | is still trying to get scp copied file to use umask |
| 09:23.11 | ArthurArchnix | streuner: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) ... |
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| 09:23.53 | ArthurArchnix | checking out the links now |
| 09:24.50 | phrozen77 | i wonder - who is dpkgs "daddy" ? |
| 09:25.07 | streuner_ | if you doesnt get the thiing to work, just use "VGA" as driver |
| 09:25.39 | streuner_ | and choose low values for resolution and bpp |
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| 09:26.29 | ArthurArchnix | streuner Oh.. no xorg detects it fine. It works perfect. But since I'm in there getting my touchpad to work and changing the order in which fonts are loaded I figured I may as well just learn what's going on with the rest of it too. |
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| 09:27.55 | ArthurArchnix | And since xorg can apparently determine what kind of monitor I have and configure it correctly, I figured I ought to be able to as well. :P |
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| 09:28.33 | berzerka | okay guys, i somehow really screwed up this time.. after having experimented with building my custom initrd on debian, i am trying to revert to the stock kernel, but it fails to boot :/ |
| 09:29.01 | berzerka | i get "could not stat the resume device file /dev/mapper/vrpc02-swap" |
| 09:29.14 | berzerka | is there a kernel option such as "noresume" or something? |
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| 09:30.25 | berzerka | i booted a livecd, mounted everything, chrooted and apt-get --reinstall'ed linux-image-2.6.24, and ran lilo afterwards, but i still get the error. |
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| 09:33.28 | berzerka | what is the reason for debian to put / on LVM per default, if LVM is chosen in the installer? |
| 09:34.01 | petemc | because you chose lvm |
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| 09:34.31 | berzerka | petemc: no, no, the reason why _/_ is on lvm. |
| 09:34.51 | petemc | berzerka: if you dont want that, then set it up how you want |
| 09:35.20 | berzerka | petemc: yes, i will do that the next time i set up the system, i just wanted to question the default choice.. |
| 09:35.29 | petemc | why? |
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| 09:35.43 | petemc | if people choose lvm, thats what they get - its seems pretty clear |
| 09:36.38 | berzerka | petemc: okay, makes sense.. just that it becomes very difficult to build a custom kernel without using kernel-package this way. but you're right, i should have done the setup myself and not just "picked lvm". |
| 09:37.16 | berzerka | petemc: my fault, of course.. now i will have to reinstall this fresh box, what a shame :/ |
| 09:37.20 | petemc | most people dont need to build their own kernels any more, the kernel packages are vert usable |
| 09:37.29 | petemc | v/rt/ry/ |
| 09:38.04 | petemc | berzerka: anyway, whats stopping you from building your own initrd? |
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| 09:38.35 | berzerka | petemc: i don't get it managed up to now... i was using mkinitramfs. |
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| 09:39.32 | berzerka | petemc: the lvm seems fine, the LV gets activated in the ramdisk, but then i get (from init-bottom i think) "No such file or directory" two or three times, and then a kernel panic because the root fs can't be found. |
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| 09:40.38 | berzerka | petemc: but i know, if i want to do things on my own, i am on my own, so don't bother :/ |
| 09:40.56 | petemc | well, the obvious thing is to check you have all the modules you need in the initrd |
| 09:41.11 | petemc | but yeah, i use debian kernel packages, so am a bit rusty |
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| 09:41.54 | berzerka | petemc: actually, atm i am just trying to bring back my system to life using the debian packages, so i can continue working.. |
| 09:42.25 | berzerka | petemc: i put ext3, dm-mod and ata_piix into the ramdisk.. |
| 09:42.36 | berzerka | petemc: i guess they should suffice? |
| 09:42.58 | petemc | off the top of my head im not sure |
| 09:43.17 | E-bola | Hmmm what is the equivalent of .bashrc for the bourne shell? |
| 09:44.40 | Lagbolt | lol what? |
| 09:44.45 | Lagbolt | bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell <-- |
| 09:44.57 | E-bola | yes? |
| 09:45.04 | E-bola | thats not the bourne shell |
| 09:45.11 | Lagbolt | lol why not use bash tho? |
| 09:45.51 | E-bola | well im trying to debug an issue with scp not picking up .bashrc if used from a system using the bourne shell |
| 09:45.51 | Lagbolt | just curious, is there some coolness with non bourne again? |
| 09:45.51 | E-bola | and i cant change the shell on the remote system |
| 09:46.10 | Lagbolt | ah i think i have seen that before, let me check for the site |
| 09:46.19 | E-bola | Been trying for an hour now to send a file with scp from a sco unix system to my debian etch and not ending up with the wrong file permissions |
| 09:46.31 | Lagbolt | it gets there but with wrong permissions? |
| 09:46.44 | E-bola | yes |
| 09:47.01 | E-bola | I need the group bit to be set to 7, but its not |
| 09:47.06 | E-bola | so other users cant rename the file |
| 09:47.23 | ArthurArchnix | I'm still looking for a way to identify the vendor and product number of my lcd panel... lspci -v and lshw do not do the trick. I created a hardware-report using installation-report, but that too didn't work. I'm combing through manuals right now, but they don't even give me info about horizontal and vertical refresh rates... so I'm not sure I've found the right manual yet. |
| 09:47.26 | E-bola | And rsync is not an option, since i cant install anything on the sco unix system |
| 09:47.28 | Lagbolt | E-bola, could try sshfs? |
| 09:47.51 | jelly | E-bola: sftp? |
| 09:47.52 | Lagbolt | i use it to move stuff around and the option -o idmap=user solves my permission problems |
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| 09:47.58 | Lagbolt | or sftp |
| 09:48.25 | E-bola | sftp is an option |
| 09:48.32 | E-bola | but i couldnt figure out the syntax (never used it before) |
| 09:48.45 | E-bola | it keeps wanting to download a file? |
| 09:48.49 | jelly | that's a pebcak, not a technical issue. :-) |
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| 09:49.12 | E-bola | Well whats the cmdline to send localfile somefile.txt to 10.0.0.3:/home/user ? |
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| 09:49.41 | dirk_ | how do I make my nvidia 4200 ti work when upgraded to a new kernel? |
| 09:50.02 | E-bola | jelly? |
| 09:50.04 | jelly | E-bola: use a batch file |
| 09:50.23 | dirk_ | I use this driver nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 09:50.26 | E-bola | jelly: have any examples of one? Havent been able to find any on google |
| 09:50.49 | jelly | E-bola: just run "sftp user@host" and play with it |
| 09:50.57 | user___ | hi, i am using live-magic. it build the iso, offered to "close", which i did, and now the program is still active, but does not respond. also i cannot find any iso file. how to proceed? |
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| 09:51.36 | E-bola | jelly: thats not really solving the problem though |
| 09:51.43 | E-bola | of scp not reading umask |
| 09:52.04 | E-bola | its not my script thats transfering files ont he remote server, so i think it sux if its not possible to control on the receiving server |
| 09:52.20 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: in my Xorg.0.log, the nvidia driver outputs vendor and model name (not id) from the EDID information, and also outputs the complete EDID blob as hex, so i guess the vendor/productid are somewhere in there.. |
| 09:52.41 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: otherwise, i have no idea right now.. |
| 09:52.44 | user___ | this is the terminal output: http://pastebin.com/f4889fcf4 |
| 09:52.51 | ArthurArchnix | ok berzerka I appreciate the tip |
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| 09:53.46 | jelly | E-bola: so run a cron job that chmods the files or tell them to use something else |
| 09:54.08 | hardnrg | this might be a stretch, but out of interest, would anyone know of specific unix software (or hardware) for SMS services. ie. to setup an SMS competition where people SMS their answers to a number? |
| 09:54.15 | E-bola | jelly: why not simply fix the problem? |
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| 09:54.32 | E-bola | that is: Determining what controls the file permissions of scp transfered files |
| 09:54.39 | jelly | E-bola: I think using sftp instead of scp is quite simple. |
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| 09:54.59 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: hey i just discovered: "get-edid | parse-edid" |
| 09:55.19 | E-bola | jelly: as far as i could understand from you, sftp cant even upload a file with one single commandline? |
| 09:55.37 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: doesn't really work here, but ymmv. |
| 09:56.01 | jelly | E-bola: right, but it can upload and chmod remote files using a two-line batch file |
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| 09:58.07 | E-bola | jelly: then i mgiht as well change the script to chmod the file via ssh |
| 09:58.23 | E-bola | its fixing the symptoms instaid of the problem |
| 09:58.41 | E-bola | but its probably what ile end up doing since it seems its an outstanding problem as far as google knows |
| 09:58.54 | jelly | E-bola: like I said, scp is rather dumb |
| 10:00.26 | jelly | E-bola: you can check the bts and file a wishlist bug if it's not already present |
| 10:00.39 | ArthurArchnix | berzerka: I had to apt-get install read-edid and then get-edid worked, but it didn't return any useful info. I'm combing through xorg's logs right now, since it properly detects the monitor maybe it writes it down somewhere. |
| 10:00.47 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks though. |
| 10:01.26 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: you have to call "read-edid | parse-edid" did you try? |
| 10:01.40 | berzerka | i mean get-edid | parse.. |
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| 10:02.19 | ArthurArchnix | what's the parse do? |
| 10:02.54 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: i guess parse and interpret what get-edid returns. look into the manpages, i don't know. |
| 10:03.33 | ArthurArchnix | Doesn't matter. Returns the same error. |
| 10:03.36 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: yeah get-edid returns the binary data, parse-edid interprets.. |
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| 10:03.47 | berzerka | ArthurArchnix: sad ... then i'm out of ideas. |
| 10:04.10 | ArthurArchnix | That's ok. I've been out of ideas for a while. You've given me hope. |
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| 10:14.14 | alexs_ | anyone use apt-transport-https much? |
| 10:14.23 | alexs_ | I am trying to get it to use client certificates for authentication |
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| 10:17.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:17.42 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
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| 10:17.59 | NeonLicht | hello |
| 10:18.13 | psteyn | Hi, anyone know how to do includes in squid.conf (I want to include a file with some custom acl's that gets generated from a DB) |
| 10:18.40 | NeonLicht | I've got a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz microproccessor and I am not sure which kernel version I should use (either 32 or 64 bits). Could anybody let me know, please? |
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| 10:19.09 | et | NeonLicht: you *can* use both |
| 10:19.18 | et | core2 is 64bit |
| 10:19.30 | NeonLicht | excellent, etc, thanks a lot! |
| 10:19.35 | themill | NeonLicht: depends what you plan to do. If you have a server with oodles of memory, then go for amd64, it you want flash and java on your desktop then go for i386. |
| 10:19.48 | et | some things aren't available on 64bit |
| 10:20.19 | NeonLicht | themill: good advice, thank you! ;-) |
| 10:20.44 | NeonLicht | since this box is a collegue workstation... I think I'll go fot the 32bits |
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| 10:25.00 | themill | NeonLicht: That's certainly what I do still. |
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| 10:29.43 | thid | hi |
| 10:30.17 | thid | any one used openvpn on debian etch as server and vista as client? |
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| 10:32.44 | Tipolosko | thid: i use openvpn on ipcop (x86) and client on XP |
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| 10:33.35 | thid | hmm...on xp it works fine but few ppl in company have vista and I have some problems with connecting @_@ |
| 10:35.59 | ApOgEE- | hi, in debian etch, how can I add/remove cron from script? |
| 10:36.26 | et | crontab -e? |
| 10:37.05 | ApOgEE- | et, like using crontab -e but i wanna do it from bash script |
| 10:37.47 | Tipolosko | ApOgEE-: why do you need to add/remove something from a bash script? |
| 10:37.56 | ApOgEE- | i'm making a script to install it for 67 box |
| 10:38.28 | idimmu | ApOgEE-: use sed and >> on /etc/crontab ? |
| 10:38.32 | Tipolosko | ApOgEE-: if is only an installation issue |
| 10:38.34 | Tipolosko | stop cron |
| 10:38.35 | jelly | ApOgEE-: set EDITOR environment variable to whatever you like, then crontab -e. You might want to put global cron setup somewhere in /etc/cron.*/ |
| 10:38.39 | Tipolosko | make the necessary changes |
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| 10:38.42 | Tipolosko | and restart cron |
| 10:38.42 | idimmu | its just a text file |
| 10:38.50 | ArthurArchnix | I'm still crawling through my xorg logs, learning a lot. But I can't find any useful information on this a warning about a bad vbios checksum... I don't think it's mission criticaal, but if someone knows what's going on I'd love to hear it. Here is in with a bit of context.... http://pastebin.com/m5c110976 |
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| 10:39.12 | jelly | ArthurArchnix: you can just ignore it, I think |
| 10:39.15 | ApOgEE- | i see /etc/crontab content differ from crontab -e |
| 10:39.40 | badcfe | on a sip channel i use SIP_HEADER(Call-ID) as identifier of a call. What do i use for a Zap channel? |
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| 10:40.24 | ArthurArchnix | jelly Yeah, it looks to me like an accounting error and I'm not gonna spend much more time on it. But I thought I'd ask here if anyone has come across it or knew what was going on. Every example on the internet always has a bunch of errors following up the warning, but mine is just a warning, then goes on to work fine. |
| 10:40.41 | ApOgEE- | Tipolosko, where do the cronjob list is saved when i use crontab -e? |
| 10:40.48 | jelly | ApOgEE-: man 1 crontab. it accepts a filename arguemnt |
| 10:40.51 | ArthurArchnix | Could be related to a pci bios bug that the kernel prompts me about at boot |
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| 10:41.50 | proppy | Hi, is there a reason update-grub doesn't find linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686 ? |
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| 10:42.21 | jelly | ArthurArchnix: I also have a bad bios checksum on my i915GM card; it's not related to anything else afaict |
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| 10:43.21 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... that's good to know. Mystery loves company. |
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| 10:43.36 | Tipolosko | ApOgEE-: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 10:43.39 | ribasushi | hi |
| 10:44.00 | ribasushi | anyone seeing "device left open" messages when booting debian with lvm volumes? |
| 10:44.10 | ribasushi | I can't see anything wrong in the shutdown sequences |
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| 10:45.09 | ApOgEE- | Tipolosko, should it work if I just replace my /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root file with the new one? |
| 10:45.41 | Tipolosko | yes |
| 10:45.47 | jelly | ApOgEE-: don't do that. use "crontab your-new-crontab" instead |
| 10:45.52 | Tipolosko | just stop crontab |
| 10:45.55 | Tipolosko | jelly: why? |
| 10:46.14 | ApOgEE- | jelly, why? |
| 10:48.25 | ApOgEE- | jelly, yes, I got it... |
| 10:48.38 | jelly | ApOgEE-, Tipolosko: it's the normal way to do it and avoids having to restart the service |
| 10:48.48 | ApOgEE- | jelly, thanks |
| 10:49.23 | jelly | (and caring about the header line in /v/s/cron/crontabs/*, and permissions...) |
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| 10:50.41 | ApOgEE- | jelly, great... thanks! |
| 10:51.30 | disposable | is there a way to insert contents of one file into another one after a particular line? i.e. after a fourth line of the destination file. i hope this makes sense. |
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| 10:51.56 | Tipolosko | right, jelly, but thinking about deploying same file on 50 machines, maybe with some livecd.. (my bad:) |
| 10:53.55 | jelly | disposable: not automatically; you'll likely have to make an awk or perl script, or toy with head and tail |
| 10:54.27 | disposable | jelly: thanks |
| 10:54.54 | et | or ruby, or python ... ;) |
| 10:55.27 | jelly | disposable: ie. (head -n 4 dest && cat source && tail -n +5 dest) > dest.new |
| 10:56.00 | jelly | et: which are not installed by default |
| 10:56.53 | et | easily fixed |
| 10:56.59 | disposable | jelly: i'm going to play with what you've written |
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| 10:57.37 | disposable | et: i'm a fan of KISS principle |
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| 11:01.49 | magentar | why does ubuntu show me transfer speeds in nautilus copy but debian does not, even though it uses the same gnome version? is this a addition package? |
| 11:02.47 | avu | magentar, no |
| 11:02.57 | avu | magentar, debian sid/lenny still does not use nautilus 2.22 |
| 11:03.03 | magentar | ah ok |
| 11:03.04 | jelly | mhymn: please don't do that |
| 11:03.11 | magentar | i see |
| 11:03.13 | avu | magentar, because gio is not yet up to par with gnome-vfs |
| 11:03.25 | mhymn | jelly: you mean ping? |
| 11:03.33 | jelly | mhymn: yes |
| 11:03.46 | mhymn | jelly: im so sorry |
| 11:03.52 | jelly | np |
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| 11:04.15 | avu | magentar, if you really want to, you could get nautilus 2.22 from experimental |
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| 11:04.42 | mhymn | i was just testing "/ping #debian" and that shit happend! sorry all |
| 11:04.51 | magentar | yea i've been thinking about that, what's the reason for it being experimental? |
| 11:05.00 | avu | magentar, I already told you |
| 11:05.12 | avu | magentar, gio is not yet up to par with gnome-vfs |
| 11:05.13 | magentar | right |
| 11:05.18 | avu | magentar, it lacks features and has bugs |
| 11:05.42 | magentar | k may be i just wait then till those are resolved, thanks |
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| 11:06.52 | ribasushi | very often in config files I see stuff like this: http://pastebin.com/m45b4ecae |
| 11:07.06 | ribasushi | what generates it? is this some sort of editor specific thing? or is it a convention? |
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| 11:09.05 | themill | ribasushi: it's from the version control system (probably RCS or CVS in that case) |
| 11:09.36 | ribasushi | huh? |
| 11:09.40 | themill | ribasushi: It shows the filename, version date/time it was last checked in (saved into the version control system) and its status. |
| 11:09.52 | ribasushi | I only had experience with svn, it never modified files internally |
| 11:09.58 | ribasushi | is it more of an exception than a rule? |
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| 11:10.59 | themill | ribasushi: before svn was developed, everyone used CVS or even just RCS. These are the id codes from these version control systems. |
| 11:11.30 | ribasushi | got it |
| 11:11.33 | themill | ribasushi: It's not about editing the file internally, it's about having in the file something that tells you what version you are looking at |
| 11:11.53 | themill | ribasushi: You can do the same in svn but istr it's a lot harder and not nearly as useful. |
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| 11:12.44 | ribasushi | I see, so it's an add-on feature to include the revision in the file itself |
| 11:12.45 | ribasushi | neat |
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| 11:14.26 | themill | ribasushi: It's not even an addon in RCS/CVS. If you include $Id$ in your file, it will be replaced by what you see there in your paste. |
| 11:15.16 | user___ | hi, i am using live-magic. it build the iso, offered to "close", which i did, and now the program is still active, but does not respond. also i cannot find any iso file. how to proceed?: http://pastebin.com/f4889fcf4 |
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| 11:23.10 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 11:23.24 | sobersabre | I have a small problem with dhcp3 server. |
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| 11:23.41 | sobersabre | I am binding hosts to MAC address and IP. |
| 11:23.50 | sobersabre | so, the machines get constant IP address. |
| 11:24.03 | sobersabre | from today, I had to change a host's IP for some reason. |
| 11:24.20 | sobersabre | that client's DHCP configuration hasn't changed. |
| 11:24.24 | sobersabre | but IP changed. |
| 11:24.37 | sobersabre | the problem is that for some reason the client keeps gettting the same old IP. |
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| 11:24.52 | sobersabre | is there some cache of DHCP I could clean ? |
| 11:24.56 | sobersabre | or maybe some file ? |
| 11:25.03 | sobersabre | I only know about leases files, |
| 11:25.14 | sobersabre | but no idea bout this caching-like behaviour. |
| 11:25.25 | sobersabre | I tried to restart the server, the client, etc. |
| 11:25.27 | andeghost | orz |
| 11:25.28 | sobersabre | it doesn't help. |
| 11:25.37 | liable | heh, wheres that qotd again.. |
| 11:25.49 | sobersabre | ( I mean dhcp3-server daemon ) |
| 11:26.19 | liable | !qotd117 |
| 11:26.19 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
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| 11:26.55 | mhymn | lol |
| 11:27.18 | andeghost | how can i enable desktop effect in deban system? |
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| 11:27.46 | andeghost | anyone help me? |
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| 11:28.00 | liable | sobersabre: /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases |
| 11:28.29 | liable | oh, you know about those? |
| 11:28.38 | sobersabre | liable: it's empty, man. |
| 11:28.51 | liable | and the interface specific one? |
| 11:29.04 | sobersabre | for some reason it's in /var/lib/dhcp/ |
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| 11:29.26 | liable | check the other directory |
| 11:29.54 | sobersabre | yes. it has a file. |
| 11:30.05 | sobersabre | but I don't see any other clients entry. |
| 11:30.15 | sobersabre | maybe I should delete everything in there.. |
| 11:30.34 | liable | it wont hurt |
| 11:30.45 | MacGyverNL | I'm running Debian Etch, trying to develop a java application in Eclipse, using Gstreamer-java libraries against an uninstalled CVS version of GStreamer. I have a bash script which sets up my environment to use the uninstalled version instead of any installed gstreamer libraries. My question is what the best way is to integrate this into Eclipse: Simply create a launch script which executes that bash script and then launches eclipse, or is |
| 11:30.45 | MacGyverNL | there another (a.k.a. better) way? |
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| 11:34.27 | sobersabre | liable: I've tried to rm the file, touched a new one. |
| 11:34.34 | sobersabre | still same effect. |
| 11:34.41 | sobersabre | one of the clients gets the good IP |
| 11:34.45 | sobersabre | another one doesn't. |
| 11:35.00 | sobersabre | FUC|< |
| 11:35.06 | liable | sobersabre: explain again exactly what you did please |
| 11:35.26 | sobersabre | at the beginning there was a nice dhcp3-server. with MAC bindings |
| 11:35.34 | sobersabre | then there came a change to DNS entries |
| 11:35.46 | sobersabre | the names stay the same. |
| 11:35.49 | sobersabre | IPs changed |
| 11:35.56 | sobersabre | now the client gets the OLD IP. |
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| 11:37.54 | Jyzygzy- | hmm i wonder if i can have 2 WM's running at the same time? |
| 11:38.09 | liable | sobersabre: if you clean the client cache files, i guess you need to look at the server side |
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| 11:38.37 | liable | sobersabre: you could try running wireshark to see if the client requests a specific ip during the process. |
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| 11:41.23 | sobersabre | liable: I am sitting at dhcp server. |
| 11:41.36 | sobersabre | DNS responds to my dhcp server correctly |
| 11:41.42 | sobersabre | dns responds to the client correctly\ |
| 11:41.57 | sobersabre | but for some weird reason the client gets another IP address. |
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| 11:42.03 | sobersabre | not what I am getting from the DNS. |
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| 11:43.23 | sobersabre | liable: thanks good Idea, I think tcpdump |
| 11:43.35 | sobersabre | will do. |
| 11:44.07 | liable | at least it should narrow down which side is at fault |
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| 11:46.14 | Sysctl___ | what bash editor would one of you recommend to edit rally large text files (5 gigs) |
| 11:46.33 | Sysctl___ | vi doesnt seem to handle it well |
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| 11:46.54 | liable | heh, dunno if anything would handle a 5G text file well :) |
| 11:47.05 | Sysctl___ | no? |
| 11:47.36 | liable | do you have >5G of ram? |
| 11:47.44 | Sysctl___ | 12 G |
| 11:48.17 | liable | that counts that out at least |
| 11:48.19 | tarzeau | Sysctl___: lde |
| 11:49.05 | Sysctl___ | whats lde? |
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| 11:55.06 | wols | emacs should be able to do it |
| 11:55.19 | wols | lde is another editor |
| 11:55.25 | wols | exists for console and X |
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| 11:56.52 | niru | what is the path for all ppd files |
| 11:56.56 | niru | in cups |
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| 11:59.06 | user___ | niru: find -name *.ppd |
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| 11:59.08 | wols | locate ppd |
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| 12:02.37 | Nyle | gooooooooood morning people of the #debian |
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| 12:02.48 | aleksanteri | it's 3pm -_- |
| 12:02.59 | Nyle | 8:02am |
| 12:03.16 | Nyle | im in usa, we're behind the whole world I guess.. in time |
| 12:03.22 | cyc | 2:02PM :) |
| 12:03.40 | aleksanteri | 15:03:40 pm to be accurate |
| 12:03.45 | cyc | aleksanteri GMT? :) |
| 12:03.47 | aleksanteri | s/pm// |
| 12:03.53 | aleksanteri | cyc, GMT+3 |
| 12:04.05 | cyc | hmm ... oh yes |
| 12:04.08 | Nyle | hm |
| 12:04.24 | liable | wins with gmt+8 |
| 12:04.31 | vadmeste | Nyle: GMT + ? |
| 12:04.37 | Nyle | lamp/ajax |
| 12:04.39 | aleksanteri | liable, that's 9pm, isn't it |
| 12:04.41 | aleksanteri | ? |
| 12:04.44 | Nyle | vadmeste, GMD-5 |
| 12:04.45 | liable | aleksanteri: 8 |
| 12:04.46 | Nyle | NYC |
| 12:04.49 | aleksanteri | darn |
| 12:04.49 | Nyle | I think I'm -5 |
| 12:04.53 | cyc | liable oh what did you win, what did you win? :D |
| 12:04.59 | Nyle | !eastern |
| 12:05.01 | liable | !win me |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:05.01 | Nyle | no? |
| 12:05.05 | aleksanteri | LOL |
| 12:05.09 | Nyle | liable, is the man |
| 12:05.11 | HolyTuX | isn't GMT depricated? |
| 12:05.12 | liable | \o/ |
| 12:05.15 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.17 | HolyTuX | I thought it's UTC now? |
| 12:05.21 | Nyle | awe |
| 12:05.22 | cyc | liable for the president :D |
| 12:05.24 | Nyle | you fucked up mmy lol dude |
| 12:05.27 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:05.34 | liable | dont start in the gmt/utc/zulu thing |
| 12:05.40 | Nyle | zulu? |
| 12:05.42 | Nyle | shaka zulu/ |
| 12:05.55 | HolyTuX | idd? |
| 12:06.09 | liable | zulu is just another name for utc |
| 12:06.12 | liable | or is it gmt |
| 12:06.19 | Nyle | greenwich mean time |
| 12:06.27 | liable | i had an argument here about it not so long ago |
| 12:06.35 | Nyle | or goddamn mothe' trucker' |
| 12:06.58 | Nyle | liable, were you the gentleman who wrote the article |
| 12:07.10 | Nyle | liable, about something vs something a while ago, I think man vs. info? |
| 12:07.23 | liable | Nyle: nope |
| 12:07.29 | liable | Nyle: linkage? |
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| 12:07.39 | Nyle | hmm.. great points about why man is ^^ and superrior |
| 12:07.43 | Nyle | and info is shitty |
| 12:07.50 | Nyle | i don't have it |
| 12:07.54 | Nyle | I just rememebered |
| 12:08.02 | liable | i agree info is shit though |
| 12:08.16 | liable | it annoys the fuck out of me |
| 12:08.27 | liable | dont pretend to be usefull when you arent |
| 12:08.30 | Nyle | well |
| 12:08.32 | Nyle | info has a diff format |
| 12:08.49 | Nyle | man is a quick formatted pages to view switches, quick command line otopns and a synpsisof the program |
| 12:08.55 | Nyle | info goes into like fucking history |
| 12:09.09 | Nyle | plus the pay layout is fucking crazy ou have to scroll down a lot to see the commands etc. |
| 12:09.15 | Nyle | info is good, but it can't replace man |
| 12:09.28 | Nyle | man is 'manual' just a short manual to the software, while info could be a larger manual |
| 12:09.29 | aleksanteri | but man replaces info |
| 12:09.29 | aleksanteri | :) |
| 12:09.34 | Nyle | no |
| 12:09.37 | Nyle | neither replace one another |
| 12:09.41 | Nyle | they both have thier own places |
| 12:09.43 | aleksanteri | hmm. |
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| 12:10.39 | jacko | I've inserted my debian disc into one system, it does not boot. In Windows, from the HDD, it says the disc is blank. |
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| 12:10.48 | jacko | However from another (newer) system, it works just fine. |
| 12:10.58 | jacko | Why could this be? |
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| 12:11.13 | liable | jacko: broken cdrom? |
| 12:11.14 | Nyle | you dodn't put a dvd into a cdrom drive did yo? |
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| 12:11.49 | jacko | It is a CD-R, with a Debian netinstall on it |
| 12:12.08 | Nyle | the other system boots it? |
| 12:12.14 | jacko | Yes |
| 12:12.19 | Nyle | in the first system, whats your first preferred boot device? |
| 12:12.39 | liable | jacko: can you swpa the drives out? |
| 12:12.43 | liable | swap* |
| 12:12.45 | jacko | Yes, I've gone through that, that's not the issue - when this PC reads the disc from Windows it is apparently BLANK, even though that's not the case |
| 12:13.02 | jacko | Hmm, you mean it might be a problem with the CD-ROM drive? Feasible |
| 12:13.07 | liable | yes |
| 12:13.32 | jacko | Hmm, I booted Knoppix from this system with no problem |
| 12:13.45 | jacko | So surely the CD-ROM drive is ntot at fault |
| 12:13.58 | liable | humour me and try it |
| 12:14.07 | Nyle | sounds like goblins |
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| 12:14.12 | Nyle | or pc gnomes |
| 12:14.49 | jacko | This is an old system, so I'm not OVER surprised that it wouldn't work. But in this fashion.. even in Windows it thinks the CD-ROM is empty (though this isn't the case for other CDs) |
| 12:15.04 | Nyle | is your cdrom drive able to play cd-r? |
| 12:15.15 | Nyle | some old cd drivs can only play cd+r |
| 12:15.23 | liable | point |
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| 12:15.25 | asd_ | hello i've lenny and when apt-get upgrade tell me w3m xchat xchat-common maintaining at version current,how can upgrade this package? |
| 12:15.43 | jacko | I just put in Knoppix which is on the exact same type of disc with no problem |
| 12:15.48 | liable | asd_: you wait until whatever is broken is fixed |
| 12:15.48 | Nyle | hm |
| 12:15.57 | Nyle | jacko, try to reburn the cd and do it again |
| 12:16.01 | Nyle | see if your 2nd cd boots |
| 12:16.23 | Nyle | btw |
| 12:16.29 | Nyle | what exactly do you mean by it not working |
| 12:16.32 | jacko | I just can't see that being the issue, it works on another PC |
| 12:16.34 | Nyle | you put in the debian cd to the old pc |
| 12:16.37 | Nyle | and what happens exactly |
| 12:16.42 | Nyle | tell me all the steps it goes through |
| 12:17.01 | jacko | When in Windows on this system, the CD is seen as blank |
| 12:17.18 | jacko | Which WOULD have explained why it doesn't boot. Except, my newer system sees that it DOES have Debian on it |
| 12:17.28 | Nyle | bios - check? cdrom drive tries to boot? you get no debian logo/prompt? it boots stright to windows? even when your bios is eanabled to boot from cd? |
| 12:17.36 | Nyle | fuck windows |
| 12:17.43 | Nyle | we're nto dealing with windows here |
| 12:17.50 | Nyle | i dont' care what windows has to say about your disk |
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| 12:18.01 | asd_ | liable: |
| 12:18.04 | jacko | I know, but I am making it clear that my system thinks that there is nothing on the disc when there is |
| 12:18.04 | djace | how can i get a dependency tree for a given packet? (that is, package A depends on package B, which depends on package C....) |
| 12:18.08 | asd_ | is not done for lenny? |
| 12:18.17 | Nyle | jacko, we got that :) |
| 12:18.28 | asd_ | i not can upgrade? |
| 12:18.29 | jacko | Yes, it boots straight to the HDD OS because it doesn't detect anything bootable in the CD drive |
| 12:18.41 | Nyle | how many cdroms do you have? |
| 12:18.47 | Nyle | did you put it int he correct drive? |
| 12:18.50 | jacko | Only the one |
| 12:18.54 | jacko | Yes |
| 12:18.57 | Nyle | hmm |
| 12:19.21 | Nyle | yeh well |
| 12:19.23 | jacko | This is just such a weird problem. I can swap my debian disc with my knoppix disc and it works with knoppix |
| 12:19.25 | Nyle | time for a 25$ upgrade |
| 12:19.27 | liable | asd_: lenny is testing. packages and libraries that they depend on get held up for all sorts of reasons. just wait and it will all get sorted out. otherwise, dont use lenny, use stable (etch) |
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| 12:19.30 | Nyle | get a dvd burner |
| 12:19.33 | Nyle | call it a day |
| 12:19.53 | jacko | Er, I don't even know that the CD drive is the issue here, considering that it works with other CDs |
| 12:20.05 | oskude | i remember having (on the old old days) problems with old cdrom drives and self burned cds that were burned "too" fast, or something... (and hope you didnt burn it as session an left the session un finalised) |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | jacko: if you burn ISOs at high speed, they sometimes don't work |
| 12:20.26 | jacko | oskude, if the disc was corrupt it would not be recognized by my other systems |
| 12:20.32 | Nyle | abrotman, how come? |
| 12:20.42 | abrotman | the wacky compression techniques the burners use |
| 12:20.46 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:20.56 | abrotman | i've seen people burn at 48x .. fail .. burn at 4x .. works |
| 12:21.06 | Nyle | yeh same here just didn't know why |
| 12:21.12 | ArtVanda1ae | yes, I burn most of my stuff at 24x, or 4x on DVD |
| 12:21.13 | jacko | I'll try re-burning, but it's a long shot |
| 12:21.35 | oskude | jacko, can you boot that machine over net ? ;P |
| 12:21.37 | abrotman | for ISOs .. i go 8x or slower |
| 12:21.54 | Nyle | audio cd 52x though ;) |
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| 12:22.07 | abrotman | jacko: hint .. use RW media :) |
| 12:22.18 | streuner_ | well, i have no problems to burn with 48 |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | but you're weird |
| 12:22.28 | aNOOBisa | any debian xen "guru" around? |
| 12:22.29 | Nyle | streuner_, of course, you da man |
| 12:22.33 | Nyle | haha |
| 12:22.39 | streuner_ | Nyle: thank you |
| 12:23.11 | asd_ | liable: i want waiting...i've think that is my problem of not know how upgrade some package |
| 12:23.14 | streuner_ | get a good DVD/CD burner, done |
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| 12:23.28 | Nyle | thats what i said |
| 12:23.36 | djace | how can i get a dependency tree for a given packet? (that is, package A depends on package B, which depends on package C....) |
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| 12:23.47 | liable | asd_: not your fault, just normal for testing (lenny) |
| 12:23.55 | Nyle | you can list depends with apt-cache depends blah |
| 12:24.00 | Nyle | or reverse depends |
| 12:24.05 | Nyle | I dunno nohin bout no tree |
| 12:24.06 | asd_ | ok |
| 12:24.16 | Nyle | rdepends |
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| 12:24.46 | Nyle | is there a dependency tree? or something I'm not aware of? |
| 12:25.00 | streuner_ | !info apt-rdepends |
| 12:25.53 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.56 | Nyle | so whats the diff? |
| 12:26.05 | dpkg | apt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 12:26.12 | Nyle | and dotty options. |
| 12:26.15 | djace | amazing :D |
| 12:26.15 | Nyle | whas a dotty option? |
| 12:26.17 | djace | thanks Nyle |
| 12:26.36 | Nyle | djace, sure, but I didn't do anything for you :) |
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| 12:27.08 | Nyle | -d, --dotty dotty takes a list of packages on the command line and generates output suitable for use by springgraph. |
| 12:27.12 | Nyle | hmm |
| 12:27.23 | Nyle | uninteresting to me |
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| 12:27.28 | Nyle | don't care, don't give a shit |
| 12:27.30 | aNOOBisa | aptitude show package also shows the dependencies |
| 12:28.06 | Nyle | !dotty |
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| 12:28.48 | Nyle | holy shit |
| 12:28.57 | Nyle | apt-rdepends has a HUGE output |
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| 12:32.07 | Nyle | O freddled gruntbuggly |
| 12:32.23 | Nyle | thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits |
| 12:32.26 | Nyle | on a lurgid bee. |
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| 12:32.30 | F1r3_B1rd | 'ssup |
| 12:32.36 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:32.43 | F1r3_B1rd | how are you? |
| 12:32.43 | apt | eh, ok, F1r3_B1rd |
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| 12:33.02 | Nyle | apt, shut up |
| 12:33.03 | apt | as you wish, master nyle |
| 12:33.15 | F1r3_B1rd | lol |
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| 12:33.47 | liable | Maulkin: ? |
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| 12:34.01 | Nyle | liable, ? |
| 12:34.18 | Maulkin | Silenced 'apt'; it seems to be able to talk without being addressed. |
| 12:34.28 | Nyle | Maulkin, ok thanks |
| 12:34.33 | liable | Nyle: that bot has been here for years |
| 12:34.39 | Nyle | has joins/parts/quits/modes on ignore |
| 12:34.41 | Nyle | eep |
| 12:34.47 | Nyle | liable, I am aware of that |
| 12:34.48 | liable | but yes, it appears misconfigured for some time |
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| 12:35.04 | Maulkin | nods. Config change recent;y? It never used to do that. |
| 12:35.09 | Nyle | it recently started talking in #kde as well (where it was specifically silenced) |
| 12:35.18 | Maulkin | Anyway, off topic. |
| 12:35.18 | jelly | apt: who owns you |
| 12:35.19 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 12:35.21 | Nyle | I think Riker's been doing stuff to it |
| 12:35.29 | Nyle | right on. |
| 12:35.30 | jelly | is dumb |
| 12:35.40 | Nyle | Maulkin, whats up with you ? |
| 12:35.48 | Nyle | how are things coming along? |
| 12:36.08 | Nyle | jelly, and jelly-home is dumber ;) |
| 12:36.21 | jelly | no, he's idle 9-5 |
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| 12:36.50 | ovm | i would have to remove the avahi-daemon ? |
| 12:36.57 | Nyle | 9-5 (I think used to be an 80s comedy show) |
| 12:37.13 | liable | !kill avahi |
| 12:37.14 | dpkg | crushes avahi with a Knoppix CD |
| 12:37.20 | Nyle | what is avahi? |
| 12:37.22 | Nyle | !avahi |
| 12:37.35 | Nyle | ah local network discovery |
| 12:37.53 | ovm | yes |
| 12:37.54 | Nyle | dpkg Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
| 12:37.55 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
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| 12:37.59 | liable | annoying piece of shit |
| 12:38.28 | ovm | since i have installed avahi-daemon i can not change my local ip |
| 12:38.30 | liable | avahi = lets make debian as chatty on the network as windows for no fucking reason |
| 12:38.34 | Nyle | dpkg avahi is also 08:37 < liable> annoying piece of shit |
| 12:38.35 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 12:38.36 | cyzie | other than gedit, is there any other X text editor ? i would like to enlarge the font, ctrl , + |
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| 12:38.49 | Nyle | abiword? |
| 12:38.53 | rsk | !firefox3 |
| 12:38.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 12:38.55 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:39.02 | jelly | also, avahi = let's break ns lookups for preexisting .local domains |
| 12:39.03 | Nyle | try mousepad (minimal editor) |
| 12:39.22 | Nyle | rsk, /msg dpkg <query> |
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| 12:40.23 | Nyle | cyzie, for font enlarging(diff font sizes?) you'd have to use a word processor (not plaintext formating) |
| 12:40.39 | Nyle | cyzie, for the entire editors text to be larger, i think gedit has config options for that UI |
| 12:41.01 | rsk | right going for sid, does the nvidia-driver work in it? |
| 12:41.27 | Nyle | !tell rsk -about sid faq |
| 12:41.33 | Nyle | !tell rsk -about dnuts |
| 12:41.34 | cyzie | Nyle, not font enlarge, just like magnifying without changing the text document. |
| 12:41.58 | Nyle | cyzie, I think gedit has an option wher eyou can change the font of the text input area |
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| 12:43.27 | cyzie | Nyle, u sure? is that plugin from gedit ? |
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| 12:44.01 | Nyle | no man, it should be an option in pref. or something |
| 12:44.22 | cyzie | oh really? |
| 12:44.25 | Nyle | ifnot drop gedit and get a real editor |
| 12:44.36 | Nyle | did yo ueven browse around gedit settings? |
| 12:44.38 | Nyle | try it |
| 12:44.45 | oskude | cusco, edit - preferences - font & colors ... |
| 12:44.57 | oskude | cusco, eh, men cyzie |
| 12:45.26 | oskude | that people are even lazy to click was new to me... |
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| 12:49.37 | ProN00b | soo, when will working pidgin be in lenny ? |
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| 12:50.54 | nost_ | hola |
| 12:50.55 | streuner | !wir |
| 12:50.55 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:51.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell ProN00b about why is pidgin not in testing |
| 12:51.33 | ProN00b | uh, what ? |
| 12:51.53 | nost_ | !rsn |
| 12:51.53 | dpkg | from memory, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 12:51.55 | humbolt | is there a way to pass this modprobe option after the module has been loaded? options libata ignore_hpa=1 |
| 12:52.07 | jelly | humbolt: nope |
| 12:52.08 | nost_ | !siyh |
| 12:52.08 | dpkg | siyh is probably Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 12:52.14 | nost_ | !bsp |
| 12:52.14 | dpkg | [bsp] bug squashing party, in #debian-bugs |
| 12:52.23 | humbolt | jelly: not sysfs switch? |
| 12:52.35 | ProN00b | pidgin 2.4.2 has a showstopping incompatibility with irc |
| 12:52.40 | ProN00b | *icq |
| 12:52.50 | ProN00b | in case anyone doesn't know yet |
| 12:53.32 | jelly | humbolt: I have no idea whether thers is one; I was just answering the generic "passing an option to a loaded module" |
| 12:54.02 | jelly | humbolt: you could boot with libata.ignore_hpa=1 option on the kernel command line |
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| 12:55.02 | humbolt | jelly: does not work for me, I have no control over the boot cd images. They are served by my provider. |
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| 12:55.34 | jelly | humbolt: you have no control at boot-loader time? |
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| 12:56.25 | humbolt | jelly: at boot loader time of the installed os, but not for the cd boot images. |
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| 12:57.29 | nost_ | hi people, how can i add the user "lagn" to the group "dialout"??? |
| 12:58.00 | jelly | humbolt: eh. no idea then, can you work around it by installing a small base system at the beginning of the disk, the booting off it? |
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| 13:01.25 | neurocyte | nost_, $ adduser lagn dialout |
| 13:01.46 | nost_ | neurocyte: thanks |
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| 13:03.22 | jelly | nost_: the user needs to log out and log in again after that |
| 13:03.36 | nost_ | jelly: yes, i know |
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| 13:13.22 | slayton | what is the best way to package python modules into .debs? |
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| 13:17.52 | mikke | Hi there. I want to apt-get remove exim4-base exim4-daemon-heavy and install my own build from source (for MySQL support), but whenever I try and remove exim4, it wants to remove other mail utilities such as at, mailx, mutt, courier-*, etc |
| 13:17.55 | mikke | How can I avoid this? |
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| 13:19.09 | cydork | !equivs |
| 13:19.10 | dpkg | i guess equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 13:19.19 | mikke | Thanks |
| 13:19.29 | cydork | mikke, no probs. |
| 13:19.31 | mikke | Is that the 'clean' way to achieve this? |
| 13:19.45 | cydork | mikke, i won't call it clean but it's a way |
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| 13:19.51 | mikke | I thought I could leave exim4 from apt-get installed and just move the binaries to archive and stop it from starting in init.d |
| 13:19.56 | neurocyte | mikke, you can use "dpkg --remove --force-depends" to remove the debian exim packages and then install your own to replace them |
| 13:19.56 | mikke | But that seemed like a particularly bad hack |
| 13:20.04 | mikke | ok |
| 13:20.08 | wols | mikke: build your own exim4 package |
| 13:20.22 | wols | mikke: and no, equivs is not a clean way |
| 13:21.05 | ovm | is away: sus den xD |
| 13:21.21 | cydork | mikke, yeah building a package is clean. if it's just ./configure option or something then build a package. |
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| 13:22.03 | ProN00b | i demand to speak to Ari Pollak ! |
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| 13:23.06 | Maulkin | You can demand as much as you want. It's not going to get you anywhere. |
| 13:23.32 | ProN00b | ! |
| 13:24.25 | dwr | hi, it seems that I missed with using apt-get instead of aptitude, switched to debian this day and just didn't know why you should select one package manager, wrongly used synaptic to install many packages, then apt-get to install more.. that was internet installation of debian, could I reinstall debian using local apt cache on hard disk? |
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| 13:27.18 | halflife08 | dwr: hmmn is there a problem with the system ? |
| 13:27.21 | wols | dwr: yes you could. you could also install from CD via apt |
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| 13:27.59 | dwr | I'm currently have freebsd server in my LAN to store packets, I think I could just Alt + F2 while install and just form own /var/cache/apt ? |
| 13:28.12 | wols | dwr: no |
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| 13:28.31 | wols | !wayttd dwr |
| 13:28.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dwr? |
| 13:28.46 | dwr | ok, I have 33 mb internet installation iso for debian |
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| 13:29.08 | dwr | just spent ~ 3 h for installation using DSL 512k and don't wanna download that all again now |
| 13:29.17 | wols | that one needs internet for installing yes |
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| 13:29.34 | wols | and there is no way around it. if you use the 150MB netinst you don't need internet access |
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| 13:30.14 | wols | at 512k dsl you don't need 3h to download 33MB |
| 13:30.33 | hatter | would rsync care if files are open on client machines that it is 'syncing' ? |
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| 13:31.00 | wols | depends how it's open. usually files are unlocked. if the open files are locked, then yes |
| 13:31.01 | dwr | okay, thanks anyway |
| 13:31.15 | wols | also, rsyncing open files is dangerous. can lead to data inconsitencies |
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| 13:31.31 | hatter | wols, dangerous for the files it is copying ? |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | troubled: what's up with apt ? |
| 13:31.35 | wols | hatter: yes |
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| 13:32.02 | wols | what happens if the file is currently synced and at the same time the app that has it open changes something in the file |
| 13:32.10 | wols | what do you sync? old version, new vresion or a mix? |
| 13:32.41 | wols | !tell dwr about netinst |
| 13:32.44 | hatter | well, rsync is reading the from file and updating to 'to' file, so i wouldnt think it could affect the 'from' file |
| 13:33.00 | hatter | i can see how it could mess up the to file |
| 13:33.02 | wols | no. but the to file might be garbage |
| 13:33.07 | hatter | if the data changes |
| 13:33.15 | hatter | right, thats what i am thinking |
| 13:33.47 | hatter | so it really shouldnt be dangerous to the 'from' file regardless of the file being open |
| 13:33.50 | hatter | ? |
| 13:34.27 | mikke | No, it wont be dangerous to the source |
| 13:34.35 | mikke | But your destination will contain shit and so your backup will be useless |
| 13:34.41 | hatter | right |
| 13:35.32 | _ZeuZ_ | Has seen that Apple People is going to sue xubuntu for the similarities to MAC OS X Tiger DE |
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| 13:36.57 | hatter | i had a problem today where samba didnt unlock a file for ten minutes or so, it was a pst file on the server and the client crashed, but then wouldnt open the pst file complaining that it is locked, is there control in samba for this behaviour ? |
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| 13:37.23 | Award | Does anyone know where to report potential abuse of nickserv? I just got a report that there were 88 failed identify attempts for my nick. |
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| 13:37.31 | hatter | i understand this is not #samba :) but its all debian :) |
| 13:37.46 | _ZeuZ_ | Award, report it to some staff member perhaps |
| 13:37.53 | _ZeuZ_ | Award, but they tend not to be here often... |
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| 13:38.03 | _ZeuZ_ | Award, what about asking in #freenode ? |
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| 13:38.28 | Award | _ZeuZ_, Good idea, I didn't know there was a #freenode. |
| 13:38.33 | Award | _ZeuZ_, thanks. |
| 13:38.38 | _ZeuZ_ | Award, no problem |
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| 13:38.48 | _ZeuZ_ | Award, you can also send an email to them... |
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| 13:41.07 | wols | Award: #freenode |
| 13:41.13 | wols | oops |
| 13:41.26 | scatterp_ | hi all |
| 13:41.26 | _ZeuZ_ | Weird |
| 13:41.27 | scatterp_ | hi wols |
| 13:41.41 | scatterp_ | is there a gui tool i can use to mount hds on my system ? |
| 13:41.57 | _ZeuZ_ | I've just booted backtrack3 beta, and using KDE 3.5.X it just consumes 78mb of ram memory after clean start.. |
| 13:42.04 | wols | not that I know. why'd you need one? |
| 13:42.28 | scatterp_ | just would be a lot easier than mounting via commands |
| 13:42.35 | scatterp_ | and would mean i would need to ask less inane questions :S |
| 13:42.38 | wols | no it wouldn't |
| 13:42.52 | scatterp_ | how would i get a list of my partition names ? |
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| 13:43.00 | scatterp_ | so i can figure out which one i want to mount ? |
| 13:43.02 | wols | as root: fdisk -l |
| 13:43.25 | _ZeuZ_ | scatterp_, seems like you came from ubuntu and are not used to console,yet ^_^ |
| 13:43.34 | ovm | is back (gone 00:22:29) |
| 13:43.44 | scatterp_ | _ZeuZ_, i used a lot of os`s over the years |
| 13:43.44 | wols | !tell ovm about away |
| 13:43.56 | wols | ovm: disable your away notification please |
| 13:44.05 | scatterp_ | wols, that does not list the names as they appear in windows ? |
| 13:44.10 | ovm | ok wols |
| 13:44.11 | ovm | done |
| 13:44.15 | jetscreamer | anybody who ditched ubuntu can't be all bad |
| 13:44.16 | _ZeuZ_ | scatterp_, that's lame to ask |
| 13:44.19 | wols | scatterp_: of course not. how does windows list it? |
| 13:44.23 | _ZeuZ_ | NEVER ever that could be. |
| 13:44.31 | scatterp_ | well |
| 13:44.39 | scatterp_ | c: (oldstuff) |
| 13:44.40 | jetscreamer | a,b,c,d.... |
| 13:44.42 | scatterp_ | for example |
| 13:44.48 | wols | there are no driveletters |
| 13:44.49 | scatterp_ | i dont expect to see c: |
| 13:44.50 | _ZeuZ_ | hierical filesystem structures have NO RELATION whatsoever with the unit letter or such |
| 13:44.53 | wols | driverletters are stupid anways |
| 13:44.58 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, ++ |
| 13:44.59 | scatterp_ | but i want to see the name of the partition |
| 13:45.07 | _ZeuZ_ | (dpkg does record carma plusses? ) |
| 13:45.12 | jetscreamer | sure there are..ls -l /dev/disk/by-label |
| 13:45.20 | _ZeuZ_ | scatterp_, those ARE NOT NAMES but LABELS. |
| 13:45.22 | liable | karma is stupid |
| 13:45.23 | neurocyte | scatterp_, what desktop do you use? |
| 13:45.25 | scatterp_ | ok |
| 13:45.28 | wols | guitools often display it that way. AFTER you mounted them |
| 13:45.28 | scatterp_ | gnome |
| 13:45.29 | _ZeuZ_ | jetscreamer, gave you the solution |
| 13:46.06 | scatterp_ | sda11 i need to mount that |
| 13:46.07 | jetscreamer | go for it! |
| 13:46.10 | liable | thumbz |
| 13:46.16 | _ZeuZ_ | is seing that he's going to ask how to do it |
| 13:46.22 | wols | scatterp_: sda11? you are sure you have 11 partitions? |
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| 13:46.32 | scatterp_ | i dont know what options i need to do it i know its the mount command |
| 13:46.36 | scatterp_ | wols 14 |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | troubled: ? |
| 13:46.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Was right |
| 13:46.59 | neurocyte | scatterp_, gnome lists mountable partitions under computer on the places menu |
| 13:47.03 | liable | !nickometer _ZeuZ_ |
| 13:47.04 | dpkg | '_ZeuZ_' is 18.000% lame, liable |
| 13:47.16 | _ZeuZ_ | !nickometer liable |
| 13:47.18 | dpkg | 'liable' is 0.000% lame, _zeuz_ |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | lay off the bot |
| 13:47.24 | _ZeuZ_ | liable, cheater! |
| 13:47.26 | wols | scatterp_: why so many? |
| 13:47.31 | jetscreamer | that's hardcoded into the bot |
| 13:47.39 | _ZeuZ_ | lol |
| 13:47.45 | _ZeuZ_ | jetscreamer, forsure? |
| 13:47.51 | liable | _ZeuZ_: i just dislike leading underscores, as it make nick completion a pita |
| 13:47.52 | jetscreamer | yeah liable hacked it |
| 13:47.57 | liable | abrotman: huh? |
| 13:47.58 | scatterp_ | wols i have a 320gb drive |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | liable: what? |
| 13:48.10 | _ZeuZ_ | liable, lets see if this helps for ya |
| 13:48.18 | jetscreamer | looks at his 500g partition |
| 13:48.21 | ZeuZ | liable, do you like that one the most? |
| 13:48.22 | liable | ZeuZ: danke :) |
| 13:48.46 | ZeuZ | !nickometer ZeuZ |
| 13:48.48 | dpkg | 'ZeuZ' is 13.000% lame, zeuz |
| 13:48.53 | ZeuZ | grrr |
| 13:48.56 | liable | hehe |
| 13:49.01 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, looking |
| 13:49.04 | ZeuZ | now that, was lamer than having hardcoded it at first glance |
| 13:49.13 | ZeuZ | !nickometer <>liable |
| 13:49.15 | dpkg | '<>liable' is 38.000% lame, zeuz |
| 13:49.21 | jetscreamer | i meant the libale==0.0 |
| 13:49.21 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, i cant see it |
| 13:49.24 | ZeuZ | Take that biatch :) |
| 13:49.51 | liable | um, no. you cant cheat like that. |
| 13:49.53 | neurocyte | scatterp_, you canât see what? |
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| 13:50.02 | ZeuZ | liable, with ANSII chars I can :) |
| 13:50.11 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, the mountable partitions under the places menu |
| 13:50.12 | ZeuZ | s/ANSII/ANSI/ |
| 13:50.20 | ZeuZ | Or at least it seems |
| 13:50.29 | neurocyte | scatterp_, Places -> Computer |
| 13:50.32 | ZeuZ | either way,you cheated at first! arbiter! :P |
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| 13:50.47 | ZeuZ | hmmm wait, arbitro in spanish, how the hell is it in english? |
| 13:50.54 | liable | ZeuZ: i dont care for your nickometer score, but it was an easy way to get you to remove the leading underscore. which annoys the shit out of me. |
| 13:50.57 | wols | ZeuZ: do you have a dbeian question? |
| 13:50.58 | jetscreamer | arbitro? |
| 13:51.07 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, it wont mount one se |
| 13:51.07 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, it wont mount one sec |
| 13:51.15 | jetscreamer | all i know is abre |
| 13:51.22 | _ZeuZ_ | liable, not at all |
| 13:51.25 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, just one |
| 13:51.31 | liable | ... |
| 13:51.32 | hoxu | @test |
| 13:51.33 | ravenbird | No, hoxu, you're not online any more. |
| 13:51.44 | _ZeuZ_ | regarding diverting some specific files from updated packages |
| 13:51.49 | liable | thats just annoying |
| 13:51.54 | neurocyte | scatterp_, it will only mount partitions that are user mountable |
| 13:52.03 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, http://pastebin.com/d6c4d4cec it said that |
| 13:52.11 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, why wouldnt it mount it ?? |
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| 13:52.21 | jetscreamer | because you don't own it |
| 13:52.26 | jetscreamer | amend your fstab and you can |
| 13:52.41 | jetscreamer | you want to use the gid and uid directives |
| 13:52.49 | neurocyte | scatterp_, you can mark partitions as user mountable in fstab by adding the user option |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 13:52.58 | wols | scatterp_: which means gui mount won't help you at all |
| 13:52.58 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 13:53.02 | neurocyte | scatterp_, by default only removable media is user mountable |
| 13:53.07 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, do not message me through dpkg xD |
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| 13:53.21 | roe_ | I am setting up a linux based nat box using debian and eventually firehol and hostapd, but for the moment I am just tring to get my wan interface to pull a lease from rcn. I get to the Request stage, but then nothing, if I use my OS X laptop, it negociates properly with RCN (my cable provider), and if I leave dhclient running while I reboot the modem my debian box pulls a 192.168.100.x address served by the mod |
| 13:53.21 | roe_ | em itself, but I can't get my debian box to pull a lease from RCN for some reason |
| 13:53.22 | abrotman | !tell _ZeuZ_ about msg |
| 13:53.38 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr, Ok. |
| 13:53.46 | scatterp_ | neurocyte, i dont see the drive in fstab are you saying it needs to be added there? |
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| 13:53.54 | wols | scatterp_: yes he does |
| 13:53.57 | neiljmorrow | ping |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | fail |
| 13:54.02 | neurocyte | scatterp_, yeah |
| 13:54.11 | liable | cant we +b _* ;) |
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| 13:54.14 | jetscreamer | scatterp_: if it's not in fstab you would need it to be iirc |
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| 13:54.28 | jetscreamer | !rodney king |
| 13:54.31 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 13:54.31 | scatterp_ | ok |
| 13:54.34 | scatterp_ | trying to add it |
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| 13:55.11 | scatterp_ | what should i put for type options dump pass ? its a ntfs drive as far as i know but it maybe fat32 |
| 13:55.42 | _ZeuZ_ | scatterp_, file /dev/sda11 will tell you that |
| 13:55.53 | wols | file -s /dev/sda11 |
| 13:56.03 | _ZeuZ_ | 'file' is a command, just in case, and to clarify the '-s' switch has to be with it |
| 13:56.09 | wols | !tell scatterp_ about vfatrw |
| 13:56.11 | neurocyte | scatterp_, type can be auto, options should be user and dump and pass should be 0 |
| 13:56.26 | scatterp_ | its ntfs |
| 13:56.28 | wols | neurocyte: he will need more than that |
| 13:56.33 | wols | !tell scatterp_ about ntfs-3g |
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| 13:56.58 | neurocyte | wols, isn't ntfs-3g supported be auto? |
| 13:57.00 | jetscreamer | example on http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab |
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| 13:57.21 | jetscreamer | yes but you have to do some perm thing nowadays |
| 13:57.26 | wols | neurocyte: unlikely sinec there is also ntfs. and last but not least he won't be able to access it without gid,uid |
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| 13:57.31 | neurocyte | wols, ntfs-3g works with auto here |
| 13:57.33 | jetscreamer | users don't have the rights by default |
| 13:57.40 | jetscreamer | anymore |
| 13:57.46 | neurocyte | wols, but that's probably only for lenny I guess |
| 13:58.06 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 13:58.07 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 13:58.09 | scatterp_ | it says i got to be root to do it |
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| 13:58.16 | jetscreamer | do that and you won't be |
| 13:58.19 | scatterp_ | and does not offer a password prompt |
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| 13:58.46 | jetscreamer | type id in console to find uid & gid |
| 13:58.47 | scatterp_ | ok |
| 13:58.49 | _ZeuZ_ | ntfs-3g works with auto here as well |
| 13:58.58 | BubbaT | When I install debian on a virtualbox and configure networking, do I use static or dhcp? |
| 13:59.20 | gangsterlicious | with iscsi target can i specify the lun to be spawn on other NIC other than eth0? |
| 13:59.20 | _ZeuZ_ | BubbaT, depends. |
| 13:59.23 | jetscreamer | which do you usually uses |
| 13:59.26 | jetscreamer | use |
| 13:59.30 | NiLon | can there be serious troubles if I remove unstable from sources and got system full of unstable packets? |
| 13:59.40 | jetscreamer | unstable packets? |
| 13:59.44 | BubbaT | _ZeuZ_ on what? |
| 13:59.45 | jetscreamer | define packet |
| 13:59.46 | _ZeuZ_ | Do you have any DHCP server in the 'anfitrion' host? or have configured the virtual interface manager to manage them with DHCP? |
| 14:00.00 | jetscreamer | packages? |
| 14:00.04 | NiLon | jetscreamer well "debs" or how you say |
| 14:00.05 | _ZeuZ_ | NiLon, packets =! packages |
| 14:00.09 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Havn't used it for a while, but don't you specify which address it should bind to? |
| 14:00.19 | _ZeuZ_ | NiLon, then you mean packages. |
| 14:00.19 | scatterp_ | got it thx |
| 14:00.26 | NiLon | yeah well did mean packages |
| 14:00.26 | alleyoopster | ok found the solution to the wireless problem, I found a hole in the wall and ran a cable :) |
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| 14:00.40 | _ZeuZ_ | NiLon, well, they're not as stable, but you might have a peaceful life with them as well |
| 14:00.44 | jetscreamer | NiLon: no, btw, it usually just keeps on working ... one day the lenny catches up with the sid and you're all up to date with lenny |
| 14:00.49 | _ZeuZ_ | as long as you do not heavily tyst them |
| 14:00.49 | Scout | hey is there a RDP client like OSX's coRD that anyone uses? saw a co-worker using coRD today...was jealous! |
| 14:00.57 | wols | rdesktop |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | NiLon: yes, it can cause serious issues |
| 14:01.07 | jetscreamer | NiLon: i've done that a lot always works out for me...ymmv and all that |
| 14:01.22 | jetscreamer | you could always reinstall if you wanted |
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| 14:01.29 | BubbaT | _ZeuZ_, the host system does not have DHCP, I'm not sure about the interface manager. |
| 14:01.59 | abrotman | BubbaT: does VB bridge? or NAT? |
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| 14:02.15 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, by default it bridges |
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| 14:02.19 | abrotman | i didn't ask you |
| 14:02.20 | Scout | wols, yes i use that but it is nowhere near as nice as coRD |
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| 14:02.27 | abrotman | it's his setup .. let him answer |
| 14:02.38 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Maybe not, so I guess it binds to 0.0.0.0 and all your interfaces? :) |
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| 14:02.53 | pablo` | hi, i created a deb package, and i dont know why now it needs libconfhelper-perl, how can i sollve this? |
| 14:02.56 | BubbaT | abrotman, I don't understand the question but if default is to bridge then it bridges. |
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| 14:03.17 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, too agressive today it seems |
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| 14:03.48 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i set a folder and all sub files and folders readable and writable to everyon |
| 14:03.54 | jetscreamer | yeah abrotman seems a little mwilson-y today :) |
| 14:04.08 | oversize_ | hello, anyone here can verify me that i will be able to install and run a debian on a supermicro X7SBi (?) ... or have a resource i can check for myself? thx |
| 14:04.09 | jetscreamer | just a tad though |
| 14:04.17 | stew | |v|4s7e|2: in general, you don't want folders writable by everyone. make it group writable and add users that should be able to write to that group |
| 14:04.19 | themill | t |v|4s7e|2 multiple ask |
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| 14:04.53 | gangsterlicious | phreak: server got 5 NICs, from initiator i can't see targets on eth[1-4] IPs |
| 14:04.58 | |v|4s7e|2 | ok so how would i set it read/write to to me |
| 14:05.01 | m0` | Hello, how can I find the MySQL version from the apt-get? |
| 14:05.02 | scatterp_ | hey guys its mounted but its read only |
| 14:05.16 | jetscreamer | well yeah |
| 14:05.18 | stew | |v|4s7e|2: with chmod / chown |
| 14:05.18 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Weird, and those interfaces where up when you started ietd? |
| 14:05.20 | jetscreamer | hence the 'ro' |
| 14:05.21 | _ZeuZ_ | m0, apt-cache search mysql |
| 14:05.24 | jetscreamer | !ntfsrw |
| 14:05.24 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 14:05.36 | jetscreamer | !rwntfs |
| 14:05.40 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 14:05.51 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Check lsof -i :3260 (or netstat perhaps), does it bind to *? |
| 14:05.57 | jetscreamer | !factinfo ntfsrw |
| 14:05.57 | dpkg | ntfsrw -- last modified at Thu May 1 02:19:10 2008 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 51 times, last by jetscreamer, 33s ago. |
| 14:06.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:06.14 | abrotman | BubbaT: if your VB bridges .. then it's possible that if your network has a DHCP then that should be able to provide an address |
| 14:06.24 | gangsterlicious | ietd 19176 root 8u IPv4 37372 TCP *:3260 (LISTEN) |
| 14:06.27 | gangsterlicious | looks like it |
| 14:06.32 | pablo` | hi, i created a deb package, and i dont know why now it needs |
| 14:06.38 | pablo` | libconfhelper-perl, how can i sollve this? |
| 14:06.40 | gangsterlicious | let me restart iscsitarget |
| 14:07.00 | abrotman | BubbaT: alternately, if it is static, then you can configure it to work on your network like any other host that you would configure with a static IP |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | good .. he left |
| 14:07.14 | abrotman | not BubbaT |
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| 14:07.47 | twobitwork | what's the name of the program which runs in gnome's tray for managing networks? |
| 14:07.52 | abrotman | BubbaT: so ultimately it's up to you, but either should work |
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| 14:08.07 | abrotman | twobitwork: gnome has a simple one, and there is also a gnome interface to network-manager |
| 14:08.19 | gangsterlicious | phreak: yea, those devices were already up. i ran into unusual i/o problems with AoE and trying iscsi see same problem happens on iscsi |
| 14:08.19 | abrotman | twobitwork: and there's also one in the gnome admin tools |
| 14:08.20 | Jyzygzy- | whats this VSYNC option in games? |
| 14:08.23 | jetscreamer | scatterp_: something similar to #/dev/sda1/home/sda1ntfs-3gauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf80 0 |
| 14:08.24 | Jyzygzy- | should i enable it? |
| 14:08.41 | twobitwork | abrotman: network-manager, that's the one... is there a non-gnome way of interfacing to that? |
| 14:08.41 | moo3 | hi all, |
| 14:08.42 | moo3 | is anybody heard about an app that fill up all the hard drive space, making it unreachable, like filling it with fulse data and deleting everything even the unused space..? |
| 14:08.57 | jetscreamer | scatterp_: that's for one user only, not many users. |
| 14:08.59 | scatterp_ | thanks |
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| 14:09.07 | abrotman | twobitwork: i'd imagine so.. but I don't use it |
| 14:09.08 | scatterp_ | what about for all users ? |
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| 14:09.19 | jetscreamer | scatterp_: the gid is the key |
| 14:09.25 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Hmm, ok. What kind of problems? |
| 14:09.39 | moo3 | sorry to bring it back up, i'm quating: |
| 14:09.39 | moo3 | hi all, |
| 14:09.39 | moo3 | is anybody heard about an app that fill up all the hard drive space, making it unreachable, like filling it with fulse data and deleting everything even the unused space..? |
| 14:09.46 | oskude | Jyzygzy-, its syncs the rendereing of every frame so that it looks "better" for the human eye, but if FPS is important, i would disable it... or just test which is better for you... |
| 14:10.12 | phreak | gangsterlicious: If it's just slow, be sure to use blockio and maybe tune some of the parameters a bit. |
| 14:10.16 | tarzeau | moo3: yes |
| 14:10.17 | Jyzygzy- | ;o |
| 14:10.17 | jetscreamer | m003 sounds like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever to me |
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| 14:10.38 | Jyzygzy- | well theres no point having FPS over 70 since thats the refresh rate of my display |
| 14:11.00 | jetscreamer | Jyzygzy-: i've heard that fallacious rumour before :) |
| 14:11.03 | moo3 | jetcreamer what that's mean? |
| 14:11.03 | moo3 | why should i search in google? |
| 14:11.07 | Dewi | Jyzygzy-: that's not the point |
| 14:11.08 | jetscreamer | 125 is the sweet spot imo |
| 14:11.09 | Bushmills | moo3: did you run out of disk space repeatedly? rebooted, and then a part of your disk space was missing? and using reiserfs or ext2/3 ? |
| 14:11.15 | gangsterlicious | phreak: have this application processing data packages, the kick-off script also have a tail on the logfile. eventually the tail would error out and from look of it leads me to believe tail just cannot keep up with the logfile getting parsed |
| 14:11.28 | Dewi | Jyzygzy-: the point is that waiting for vertical refreshes does slow things down, but reduces flicker |
| 14:11.43 | gangsterlicious | phreak: oh, speed is great. i think just AoE can't keep up with the sheer amount of transactions |
| 14:11.49 | jetscreamer | gah time to get ready for work... ciao |
| 14:12.01 | phreak | gangsterlicious: Mkay, hmm. Not sure I've got any ideas then I'm afraid. |
| 14:12.02 | Dewi | Jyzygzy-: if you're comfortably getting 70fps then cool, turn it on, but if you're well below that, it can cost you some frames but get you less flicker |
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| 14:12.09 | Jyzygzy- | ok |
| 14:12.16 | moo3 | Bushmills: never did, i just want to really format my hard drive, to be preperd to a bad case.. |
| 14:12.19 | gangsterlicious | phreak: no problem. thanks alot for your help :) |
| 14:12.44 | phreak | np, hope you get it sorted out. |
| 14:12.51 | phreak | heads off |
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| 14:13.25 | oskude | Jyzygzy-, well, i heard that it does matter in first person shooters, the more fps the more accurate (even if your display isnt as fast, but the calculations will) |
| 14:13.29 | Dewi | Jyzygzy-: I'm forever changing my mind about whether the jerky motion at 21 fps is worse or better than having some "tearing" at like 28fps |
| 14:14.16 | Bushmills | moo3: well. some file system can "lose" some capacity when their capacity is exhausted. when deleting some stuff then, the original capacity is not available anymore then. but if you didn't have that problem, what is your problem then, exactly? |
| 14:14.51 | Dewi | oskude: yeah it might have some bearing on the input direction. Also, people really serious about FPS turn the resolution and details right down, and you can get refresh rates near or even above 100Hz |
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| 14:16.10 | moo3 | i having police paranoya, and i want to learn how i can earse all my hard drive data and making it really unreachable, it's one step before breaking the hard drive.. |
| 14:16.37 | moo3 | have* |
| 14:16.37 | moo3 | and much much more mistakes, sorry.. |
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| 14:16.39 | Bushmills | moo3: overwrite all with zeroes, then all with ones. repeat that 10..15 times |
| 14:16.50 | oskude | Dewi, or you have a monster machine and play urban terror with 1680x1050, all fx full and 4x antialiasing ;) |
| 14:16.59 | Dewi | moo3: just treat it like a big linear block of bytes. Write random data to every byte on it, 10 times. |
| 14:17.09 | oskude | Dewi, and still have 92 fps, that is |
| 14:17.14 | Jyzygzy- | oskude why only do it 4 times when you can do it 16 times ;) |
| 14:17.15 | Bushmills | moo3: in the last passes you could overwrite all with 10101010, then with 01010101 |
| 14:17.16 | Tipolosko | moo3: but you want to format hard drive in a secure way? |
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| 14:17.45 | oskude | Jyzygzy-, i tested, the difference between 4x and 16x is minimal for the eye, but big for fps |
| 14:17.53 | Jyzygzy- | oskude but still ;) |
| 14:17.55 | Tipolosko | moo3: you can boot from a livecd and do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda a coule of times :) |
| 14:18.07 | Bushmills | moo3, and as very last pass, maybe overwrite all with random |
| 14:18.08 | Dewi | moo3: personally I think the 10-15 times stuff is totally overkill. 2 times seems like more than enough, but you said you're paranoid and apparently the US govt has recommendations for about 10 times in some situations |
| 14:18.11 | Jyzygzy- | oskude its a huge improvement for you vpenis |
| 14:18.19 | moo3 | Bushmills: excaly ! how am i doing that? can you direct me to a web site that will help me with doing that? |
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| 14:18.25 | oskude | Jyzygzy-, ... |
| 14:18.34 | Bushmills | moo3, man dd |
| 14:18.51 | Dewi | moo3: dd if=/dev/urandom of=[blockdevice] |
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| 14:19.15 | moo3 | Tipolpsko: i dont mind if it secure or not. |
| 14:19.40 | oskude | Jyzygzy-, and besides, if i had that, i would be running mac osx ;) |
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| 14:19.49 | liable | shred? |
| 14:19.52 | scatterp_ | i used that line to mount the drive but its not allowing me to write for some reason |
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| 14:20.25 | moo3 | Dewi: got it, thanks. everybody much appreciation you really helpd me, thanks alot |
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| 14:21.04 | wols | scatterp_: id. what is your UID? |
| 14:21.05 | Dewi | moo3: note that urandom is pretty damn slow, just a few MB/s, even though it's "second class" randomness |
| 14:21.11 | scatterp_ | how do i find out ? im roto |
| 14:21.12 | Tipolosko | moo3: with the dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda (your block device) you can run the command for 10 times and no one can recover a byte from your drive (imho) |
| 14:21.15 | scatterp_ | how do i find out ? im root |
| 14:21.16 | Dewi | moo3: maybe use something simpler in some passes |
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| 14:21.28 | Dewi | moo3: /dev/zero being the most obvious |
| 14:21.31 | scatterp_ | wols it would be better if i just allow r/w for all users.. |
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| 14:21.46 | ubitux | hi |
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| 14:22.00 | scatterp_ | wols uid 0 |
| 14:22.15 | scatterp_ | and 1000 for my user account |
| 14:22.25 | ubitux | are we going to have soon the amsn deb package updated ? |
| 14:22.28 | Jyzygzy- | how do you start another X server? |
| 14:22.44 | ubitux | 'cose there is a big issue due to the protocol changement |
| 14:22.47 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, what desktop environment are you using? |
| 14:22.56 | Dewi | Jyzygzy-: how many independent sets of display hardware do you have? |
| 14:22.56 | mns | What directory does apt-get/aptitude use for downloading the deb packages ? How does one change it ? |
| 14:22.58 | Jyzygzy- | hoxy xfce4 and kdm |
| 14:23.03 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, in any case, startx -- :1 or something along that should work |
| 14:23.14 | Jyzygzy- | will i get to choose my WM? |
| 14:23.18 | moo3 | thanks again, i'll sure be back for more questions after reading the manual and knowing a bit more. |
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| 14:23.34 | Jyzygzy- | i would just like to test this tritium WM |
| 14:23.34 | ubitux | .... and as you desactivate the auto update... debian user can solve easly the problem |
| 14:23.38 | Dewi | hoxu: how can you have >1? are these on different "ctrl-alt-delete" slots or what? |
| 14:23.42 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, if you want another display manager, then look at kdm config |
| 14:23.42 | Jyzygzy- | seems coo |
| 14:23.49 | Jyzygzy- | ok |
| 14:24.01 | hoxu | Dewi, you lost me on that one, what? |
| 14:24.02 | wols | scatterp_: then fudge with the umask |
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| 14:24.20 | Tipolosko | Dewi: are in different "console", so ctrl-alt-f7 is X, ctrl-alt-f8 is the 2nd X (afaik) |
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| 14:24.30 | Dewi | Tipolosko: okay |
| 14:24.52 | hoxu | f7 and f8 aren't always first and second X |
| 14:25.04 | Dewi | Tipolosko: I don't normally let X near those even, I tend to use vncserver |
| 14:25.06 | scatterp_ | wols uid says 1000 |
| 14:25.10 | scatterp_ | so i should be able to write to it |
| 14:25.14 | hoxu | but you should be able to find *some* X at least with ctrl-alt-F1 + alt-left / alt-right :p |
| 14:25.15 | Dewi | even though its performance sucks badly |
| 14:25.16 | scatterp_ | umask hmm whats that :S |
| 14:25.32 | Dewi | scatterp_: umask is the bits it *won't* set |
| 14:25.46 | scatterp_ | i dont understand :/ |
| 14:25.51 | themill | dpkg: tell scatterp_ about umask |
| 14:25.55 | liable | neither do we |
| 14:25.59 | Dewi | scatterp_: the "masked" bits cannot be set, they are masked |
| 14:26.05 | scatterp_ | hi liable |
| 14:26.11 | liable | ehlo |
| 14:26.13 | Dewi | like when you put masking tape over something you don't want to paint |
| 14:26.36 | Dewi | urgh, I feel dirty for talking about real world physical work stuff in this place of pure bits |
| 14:26.37 | liable | umask is like negative mask. 777=000 |
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| 14:27.22 | liable | its silly |
| 14:27.25 | scatterp_ | but i have umask 22 and im trying to write to the root of the drive |
| 14:27.27 | Dewi | liable: yeah, except it doesn't pull bits up. a umask of 000 doesn't *force* you to use 777, just allows it |
| 14:27.29 | m0` | How do I install ncurses? |
| 14:27.29 | scatterp_ | with various users |
| 14:27.31 | scatterp_ | none can |
| 14:27.50 | liable | m0`: lib-ncurse5-dev |
| 14:27.54 | liable | m0`: libncurse5-dev |
| 14:28.01 | liable | m0`: libncurses5-dev |
| 14:28.02 | scatterp_ | why so difficult to get permision to read write doesnt make any sense? |
| 14:28.05 | Dewi | scatterp_: the users have umask 22 or the disk does? |
| 14:28.06 | liable | maybe |
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| 14:28.10 | hoxu | liable, negative mask indeed... mask - umask = final permissions :P |
| 14:28.25 | liable | i feel old. my memory is on holiday |
| 14:28.36 | scatterp_ | /dev/sda11 /mnt/sda11 ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=$ |
| 14:28.53 | Dewi | hoxu: do you mean mode - umask? |
| 14:28.56 | scatterp_ | 1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 14:29.02 | scatterp_ | thats what i have now |
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| 14:29.11 | hoxu | Dewi, if you prefer that yes ;) |
| 14:29.31 | Dewi | hoxu: I don't like both of them being masks at once :) |
| 14:29.34 | m0` | does anyone have a list of apps that are recommended to install at a start :x debian is so clean it has nothing installed :p |
| 14:29.39 | m0` | had to install gcc |
| 14:29.45 | scatterp_ | dewi i dont know how to tell if the disk has that |
| 14:30.01 | m0` | bash: make: command not found |
| 14:30.13 | themill | !b-e m0` |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | m0`: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:30.15 | Dewi | scatterp_: give me a moment, I understand how it works but that doesn't mean I can make it do anything useful |
| 14:30.29 | scatterp_ | Dewi, sure |
| 14:30.33 | m0` | themill: thanks |
| 14:31.25 | stoned | liable: how old? |
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| 14:31.39 | m0` | is ssl installed by default? |
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| 14:32.01 | Dewi | scatterp_: what's the dollar sign in your command? |
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| 14:32.21 | Dewi | scatterp_: oh, you continued next line |
| 14:32.23 | hoxu | m0`, ssl what? |
| 14:32.26 | scatterp_ | was not really there just a nano indicator |
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| 14:34.04 | Dewi | scatterp_: sorry, it's too complicated and subtle for me in this case |
| 14:34.06 | banet665 | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER |
| 14:34.10 | banet665 | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER |
| 14:34.13 | Dewi | scatterp_: I thought for a moment you were using samba, that one I can get |
| 14:34.15 | banet665 | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER |
| 14:34.19 | hoxu | !ops banet665 |
| 14:34.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: banet665 |
| 14:34.19 | mquin | banet665: sod off |
| 14:34.20 | Dewi | !ops banet665 |
| 14:34.22 | liable | !ops ban banet665 ass |
| 14:34.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: ban banet665 ass |
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| 14:34.33 | liable | too late |
| 14:34.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | :( |
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| 14:34.45 | liable | !lose abrotman |
| 14:34.45 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:34.47 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.53 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 14:34.55 | Jyzygzy- | !win Jyzygzy- |
| 14:34.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, Jyzygzy-! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 14:35.04 | hoxu | !penixstrike Jyzygzy- |
| 14:35.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Jyzygzy- to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:35.08 | Dewi | ooh, political |
| 14:35.25 | scatterp_ | dewi thanks for trying |
| 14:35.31 | scatterp_ | can any one else help me ? |
| 14:35.34 | Dewi | people actually know about the one-way tickets to xmas island? |
| 14:35.44 | stoned | liable: ping |
| 14:36.10 | m0` | hoxu: it asks me for location of ssl, /usr/local/ssl |
| 14:36.14 | m0` | which I don't have |
| 14:36.47 | themill | m0`: libssl-dev. Also /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 14:36.54 | liable | only when crabs are on the menu |
| 14:37.20 | hoxu | m0`, what's this "it" thing, is it in debian? :) |
| 14:37.35 | m0` | hoxu: just a bnc server |
| 14:37.55 | hoxu | clearly the name is confidential? |
| 14:38.05 | themill | m0`: it's probably already packaged... |
| 14:38.06 | m0` | hoxu: psybnc |
| 14:38.11 | hoxu | !tell m0` about search |
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| 14:38.19 | hoxu | m0`, it's in debian, search and install it |
| 14:38.29 | hoxu | no wait... |
| 14:38.36 | themill | !fail |
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| 14:38.48 | m0` | already did before it isn't packaged |
| 14:38.49 | hoxu | damn, I could've sworn it was at least :P |
| 14:39.02 | m0` | I don't see usr/local/ssl |
| 14:39.05 | themill | Yeah, I thought I'd seen it too. Obviously not. |
| 14:39.19 | themill | m0`: *nothing* in debian is in /usr/local |
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| 14:39.29 | m0` | where are they then? |
| 14:39.43 | themill | dpkg: tell m0` about search |
| 14:39.44 | hoxu | m0`, read the "search" factoid; apt-cache search libssl |
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| 14:39.58 | themill | m0`: libssl-dev. Also /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 14:40.08 | m0` | I use that command all the time |
| 14:40.34 | scatterp_ | hmm :/ |
| 14:40.36 | themill | Good. With practice you'll also get the answers then. |
| 14:40.38 | ness | hi, I'm running debian testing. Is there a quick way to install pidgin-2.4.3 which fixes icq problems in pigdin-2.4.2? |
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| 14:41.02 | scatterp_ | themill can you help me to write to my drive ? |
| 14:41.02 | m0` | In general, where does debian install the applications? |
| 14:41.03 | dimir | hoi |
| 14:41.08 | themill | scatterp_: no |
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| 14:41.16 | Dewi | m0`: where they go |
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| 14:41.35 | dimir | ness: seems there is no way at the moment other than to patch it or recompile manually. |
| 14:41.44 | themill | m0`: man apt-file. Look at the "show" and "search" options. |
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| 14:41.53 | hoxu | m0`, dpkg -L <package> |
| 14:41.56 | ness | dimir: hm |
| 14:42.03 | Dewi | m0`: in unix stuff goes all sorts of places; there's a whole system. |
| 14:42.22 | m0` | li32-31:/# man apt-file |
| 14:42.24 | m0` | No manual entry for apt-file |
| 14:42.29 | themill | !installit |
| 14:42.29 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 14:42.34 | Darth_Tux | I am running Etch and have this sound card> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller < the laptop speakers work fine, but when i plugin eternal speakers the external speakers dont come on, However the laptop speakers continue playing, in lenny this isnt the case, any ideas? |
| 14:42.35 | Dewi | m0`: see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ and maybe FSB chapter 16 - http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/execenvfhs.html |
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| 14:43.04 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: different kernels i e alsa versions |
| 14:43.42 | themill | m0`: as dpkg told you: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" |
| 14:43.59 | Darth_Tux | cahoot is there a way to install just the kernel and alsa without upgrading to Lenny? |
| 14:44.09 | m0` | I am so used to ubuntu |
| 14:44.25 | themill | Darth_Tux: the newer kernels from backports.org fix that problem. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:44.35 | m0` | I just bought a dedicated server so I can practice more linux |
| 14:44.52 | themill | m0`: and the difference between ubuntu and debian in this case is...? |
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| 14:45.17 | m0` | ubuntu has preinstalled stuff that you don't ahve to do and debian has the slim ver |
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| 14:46.05 | hoxu | m0`, ha, wait until lenny is released with the install-recommends default, then debian will be the crown jewel of bloatware |
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| 14:46.12 | themill | m0`: then you should have asked debian to do the same. (normally we have idiots coming in here complaining that debian is so "bloated" and that their ubuntu install is so much lighter... we can't fucking win...) |
| 14:46.20 | themill | hoxu: bollox and you know it. |
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| 14:46.34 | m0` | this is better though |
| 14:46.39 | Dewi | hoxu: um... doesn't etch have that default already? |
| 14:46.39 | m0` | You install what you need to install |
| 14:46.41 | hoxu | themill, bollox? |
| 14:46.44 | Dewi | hoxu: all my aptitudes do |
| 14:46.53 | Dewi | hoxu: and I never turn it on |
| 14:46.59 | hoxu | Dewi, I don't know about aptitude's default, but in lenny it's in apt iirc |
| 14:47.01 | m0` | it is 200mb initial install compared to 4gb ubuntu |
| 14:47.09 | Dewi | hoxu: maybe because in lenny, apt works like aptitude |
| 14:47.17 | Dewi | hoxu: in many ways |
| 14:47.33 | Dewi | hoxu: but nevertheless, it doesn't lead to that much bloat |
| 14:47.40 | Dewi | hoxu: although more than I would like |
| 14:47.57 | Dewi | actually it's mostly useful, it's just occasionally that a recommend will end up colliding with something you actually want |
| 14:48.00 | hoxu | Dewi, yeah, I can see the need for all those minesweepers and X games on a backup server ;) |
| 14:48.06 | themill | hoxu: all it does is save me having to manually look at what the recommended packages were and then manually install them. |
| 14:48.15 | Dewi | hoxu: why would you install anything that recommends those things on a server? |
| 14:48.19 | themill | hoxu: that's the fault of one overblown recommends that has now been fixed. |
| 14:48.38 | hoxu | themill, yeah, yeah, pardon me ;) |
| 14:50.11 | hoxu | one of undocumented lenny release goals was to finally add something that debian users can complain about, a feature which most other distros have long had ;) |
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| 14:50.48 | samuel | anyone know of any streaming media servers for linux that work with an out-of-the-box ps3? |
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| 14:51.44 | Niklas-_ | Hey. I'm using PXE to install Debian over network, however my new motherboards isn't supported by the 4.0 default kernel, so i made a new one. Is there a simple way of putting this new kernel in the PXE boot image? |
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| 14:54.23 | BWGames | hi, i just did a upgrade linux-image, but forgot to sort modules out (i think), and rebooted, now getting cannot find /lib/modules/ etc. where should i go from here, with a live cd? |
| 14:54.26 | Darth_Tux | themill, thanks |
| 14:54.49 | sobersabre | liable: of course it's client's fault. |
| 14:54.53 | sobersabre | the question is why. |
| 14:55.02 | sobersabre | I am getting requests with IP address. |
| 14:55.06 | sobersabre | but WHY!?!?! |
| 14:55.21 | sobersabre | [it's dhcp problems :) ] |
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| 14:55.35 | themill | Darth_Tux: no worries. Intel HDA drivers have come a long way since etch was released and that particular problem is one of the things that is addressed on my laptop my moving from 2.6.18 to 2.6.21 (and .24 is fine too) |
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| 14:56.08 | Darth_Tux | themill, what about the ipw3945 for the wireless? |
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| 14:57.14 | themill | Darth_Tux: you'll have to change over to iwl3945. /msg dpkg iwl3945 |
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| 14:57.54 | liable | sobersabre: so the client is asking for the ip? |
| 14:58.15 | Darth_Tux | themill, thanks again |
| 14:58.18 | Darth_Tux | cya |
| 14:58.25 | liable | sobersabre: have you killed the client since deleting the leases files? |
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| 15:03.00 | liable | mmm, beer |
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| 15:03.13 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i add an ethernet card |
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| 15:03.33 | liable | open up the case and plug it in? |
| 15:03.54 | |v|4s7e|2 | virtually not physically ^_^ |
| 15:04.16 | liable | |v|4s7e|2: please chose a nick that doesnt make me have to press two keys to nick complete |
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| 15:04.26 | twobitwork | ^msg nickserv help |
| 15:04.28 | twobitwork | oops |
| 15:04.31 | liable | having the leading | sucks |
| 15:04.52 | cahoot | no it's a pipe for others to suck |
| 15:05.05 | liable | Master9: thanks |
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| 15:05.48 | liable | Master9: so what exactly do you mean? |
| 15:06.23 | Master9 | liable: i just physically inserted a 10/100 lan card in a comp, how do i install it |
| 15:07.05 | cahoot | ifconfig -a doesn't show it already? |
| 15:07.23 | liable | Master9: if its supported by the kernel, all you need to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces .. or you can configure it manually with ifconfig |
| 15:07.41 | Master9 | liable: will try |
| 15:08.05 | liable | Master9: does it actually show up with ifconfig -a? |
| 15:08.19 | NickBurnsSNL | Master9: dhclient should detect it, and grab an i.p. if there's a dhcp server lurking around ... |
| 15:08.50 | chops | Hm -- is something up with s.d.o? http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/ works for me, but http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/ doesn't. |
| 15:08.51 | liable | NickBurnsSNL: it wont untill its configured |
| 15:09.11 | chops | (And 2006, which is what I'm actually interested in, also doesn't work) |
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| 15:09.54 | NickBurnsSNL | liable: agreed .. and as you say, a recent kernel should make it so. Only prob might be with udev's .. conflicting eth0 with eth1 |
| 15:09.55 | liable | chops: i have seen grumblings about sdo. i think its slightly broken atm |
| 15:10.08 | asg | chops: there was a period where the archive was lost (I think between 2006 and 2007) |
| 15:10.11 | liable | sdn |
| 15:10.30 | chops | asg: Oof. FWIW, earlier than 2006 also doesn't work for me. |
| 15:10.32 | liable | asg: its broken again. searches anyway afaik |
| 15:10.46 | liable | but the stuff is still there |
| 15:10.55 | chops | liable: Searching works for me, but the actual archive files aren't there. If only we could combine our powers... :-/ |
| 15:11.02 | asg | liable: ah, fiar enough |
| 15:11.28 | liable | chops: then we could take over the world! |
| 15:11.28 | asg | *fair |
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| 15:11.39 | themill | chops: I've been having a lot of trouble with sdn recently claiming that things aren't there or not seeming to be syncing of sid in the last few weeks/months. |
| 15:12.03 | liable | dpkg: what are we doing tonight? |
| 15:12.04 | dpkg | liable: what are you talking about? |
| 15:12.11 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:12.12 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 15:12.18 | chops | Well, in any case, I just shrugged my shoulders and downloaded the third-party deb from the checkinstall distributors. |
| 15:12.36 | liable | chops: which package? |
| 15:12.47 | themill | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 15:12.48 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 15:12.55 | ApOgEE- | is ther any way to copy ntfs encrypted file in debian? |
| 15:13.03 | liable | !win themill |
| 15:13.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
| 15:13.10 | chops | liable: Ultimately I'm installing Veritas's BackupExec agent. I'd like to do it using checkinstall, but checkinstall was removed from etch, and the simple sid backport doesn't work. |
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| 15:13.40 | jelly | liable: note, Gaza Strip is not a titty dancing club. |
| 15:13.46 | liable | themill: um, hope you enjoy the ride! :) |
| 15:13.52 | chops | "No manual entry for checkinstall." |
| 15:13.55 | themill | hmm |
| 15:14.04 | vorpal | would someone please explain what the "vserver" kernels are for? |
| 15:14.07 | chops | !fail checkinstall deb from upstream's download page |
| 15:14.34 | chops | vorpal: Have you read the description of those packages? |
| 15:14.35 | jelly | chops: denounce the upstream in question! |
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| 15:14.53 | vlt | Hello. I use `echo "$BODY" | mail -a "From: foo@example.com" -s "$SUBJECT"` to send a mail from a script. How can I change the MAIL FROM address used in SMTP? |
| 15:15.32 | Darth_Tux | themill, thanks again, sound works right now :D wireless is hosed atm though |
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| 15:15.40 | chops | Oh, lordy. The documentation goes in /usr/doc/checkinstall, and everything else in /usr/local. Gargh. |
| 15:15.41 | petemc | vlt: if your mta allows your user to set that info, that should work |
| 15:15.43 | liable | so subject = buy cialis now! ? |
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| 15:16.39 | themill | Darth_Tux: you'll get there with the wireless. Follow the iwlwifi instructions and ask for help if you get stuck. Are you converting from ipw3945? |
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| 15:16.48 | Dewi | vlt: try overriding the 'sendmail' option to include a '-f' |
| 15:16.50 | Darth_Tux | yes |
| 15:16.52 | Darth_Tux | i am |
| 15:16.58 | vorpal | chops, yes, and either i'm too stupid to see the info, or there is no indication what difference there is |
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| 15:17.12 | themill | Darth_Tux: there are some extra tips for that on the debian wiki |
| 15:17.31 | vlt | petemc: From the same machine I use PHP's mail() function with "-f" which works. How to apply it to the shell command `mail`? |
| 15:17.32 | liable | dpkg: which kernel do you have? |
| 15:17.33 | dpkg | liable: i haven't a clue |
| 15:17.35 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: make sure you get the correct firmware |
| 15:17.46 | liable | Darth_Tux: which kernel? |
| 15:17.50 | Dewi | vlt: like I just said, override the 'sendmail' option which is basically the samething you do in PHP |
| 15:17.51 | chops | vorpal: Ah, it doesn't look like there's any meaningful information, no :-( |
| 15:18.00 | alleyoopster | I am still getting this error after apt-get upgrade: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): and subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2, what can i do§ |
| 15:18.00 | Dewi | vlt: in the old PHP, anyway |
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| 15:18.08 | Darth_Tux | 2.6.24 |
| 15:18.15 | xpato | hi |
| 15:18.21 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: firmware-iwlwifi (IIRC) |
| 15:18.42 | liable | Darth_Tux: all that should be needed is to install firmware-iwlwifi and reload the module |
| 15:18.44 | xpato | any reason why the free command will not show the full machine ram? |
| 15:18.50 | Dewi | vlt: in fact, it's even easier than that. See the top of the man page |
| 15:18.58 | Dewi | vlt: the usage string has 'sendmail options' after -- |
| 15:19.03 | xpato | i have a server with 4G and its only showing 3.5G |
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| 15:19.08 | Darth_Tux | liable, and cahoot where do i get the firmware? |
| 15:19.18 | liable | Darth_Tux: its in non-free |
| 15:19.18 | Dewi | vlt: so try mail -a "From: foo@example.com" -s "$SUBJECT"` -- -f 'me@where.i.am.com' |
| 15:19.24 | xpato | no video share mem |
| 15:19.39 | BScherrer | hi. Is there a way so see which packages entered testing today? I have some compiling errors and need to know which packages I've installed today (oh my good memory...) |
| 15:19.46 | Darth_Tux | liable, i have non-free working, but cant find it in synaptic |
| 15:19.46 | chops | BScherrer: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:19.47 | Dewi | vlt: oops, sorry, I left one of your backquotes in there |
| 15:20.02 | liable | Darth_Tux: what debian version? |
| 15:20.14 | themill | Darth_Tux: it's on backports.org non-free |
| 15:20.16 | alleyoopster | or this "Building cpad module for Linux _CODE 13262 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure):" |
| 15:20.19 | liable | Darth_Tux: have you installed a newer kernel in etch? |
| 15:20.40 | Darth_Tux | 2.6.24 liable |
| 15:20.46 | alleyoopster | can someone point in the right direction to try and fix this, thanks |
| 15:20.50 | liable | *debian* version |
| 15:21.03 | alleyoopster | this is on etch |
| 15:21.03 | liable | etch, lenny, sid? |
| 15:21.19 | themill | liable: Darth_Tux is using the 2.6.24 from backports.org |
| 15:21.28 | BScherrer | chops: thanks! |
| 15:21.31 | vorpal | chops, OK, it appears vserver is a separate virtualization project, and that debian packages xen, vserver, and xen+vserver(?) kernels |
| 15:21.32 | Darth_Tux | liable, etch |
| 15:21.36 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: can always pull it from here: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/iwl3945 |
| 15:21.38 | liable | themill: rifht, so etch system? |
| 15:21.44 | chops | vorpal: Yeah, I'm not sure how it all works |
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| 15:22.17 | liable | Darth_Tux: ok, get the package from lenny. it shouldnt have any dependancies that arent satisfied. install it with dpkg |
| 15:22.29 | Darth_Tux | okie |
| 15:22.49 | themill | Darth_Tux: or just add non-free to the backports.org entry so you can also get things like flash and sun java6... |
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| 15:23.36 | Darth_Tux | themill, already have contib nonfree |
| 15:23.43 | Darth_Tux | non-free too |
| 15:23.49 | themill | Darth_Tux: for backports.org? |
| 15:24.02 | Darth_Tux | yeah |
| 15:24.26 | themill | See... you should be able to install firmware-iwlwifi using apt then. |
| 15:24.43 | vlt | Dewi: Aaah, I missed the "--". Thank you. |
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| 15:25.35 | zxxd | are there instructions of how to backport iceweasel 3 to etch> |
| 15:26.01 | Darth_Tux | themill, it is already installed according to apt |
| 15:26.24 | Dewi | vlt: I did too at first. You don't normally see stuff like that in the parameters list |
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| 15:26.45 | Dewi | vlt: but it's a good way to do wrappers |
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| 15:27.30 | zxxxd | hi |
| 15:27.31 | ubitux | I add deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool amsn in my sources.list, made an update, and then tried apt-get source amsn package=0.97-1 but it didn't work. It works only with 0.97-3, why ? |
| 15:27.34 | Darth_Tux | themill, should i remove all the ipw3945 stuff ? |
| 15:27.35 | themill | Darth_Tux: then modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 and it should be good. You may need to delete the entry in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules as per the wiki instructions to be able to use network manager though |
| 15:27.35 | zxxxd | does anyone know how to backport iceweasel 3 to etch? |
| 15:27.38 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: ls /lib/firmware/iwlwifi* |
| 15:27.42 | zxxxd | it requires xulrunner-dev |
| 15:27.47 | zxxxd | which isn;t available in etch |
| 15:28.00 | Dewi | !iceweasel-3 |
| 15:28.03 | Dewi | !iceweasel 3 |
| 15:28.05 | Dewi | !iceweasel |
| 15:28.05 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:28.18 | liable | third times a charm |
| 15:28.19 | Darth_Tux | cahoot, no such directory |
| 15:28.30 | liable | !ff3 |
| 15:28.30 | dpkg | somebody said ff3 was just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 15:28.31 | avu | !ff3 |
| 15:28.31 | Dewi | liable: not really. |
| 15:28.34 | avu | doh :) |
| 15:28.58 | Dewi | it does seem to play pretty nicely with v2 settings, at least in windows |
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| 15:29.08 | liable | plus it still sucks mightaly |
| 15:29.18 | Dewi | liable: almost as much as v2 you mean? |
| 15:29.18 | Darth_Tux | themill, remove the whole file? |
| 15:29.20 | zxxxd | liable, not faster? |
| 15:29.36 | liable | as broken as any of them were |
| 15:29.42 | Dewi | liable: I'm not convinced that anything else sucks significantly less |
| 15:29.43 | avu | zxxxd, it's notably faster only on javascript-heavy sites |
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| 15:29.51 | themill | Darth_Tux: not sure what you mean. Also, you don't seem to have firmware-iwlwifi installed yet. |
| 15:29.56 | Dewi | avu: it's faster for lots of stuff. Changing tabs... |
| 15:29.57 | zxxxd | avu, that's good |
| 15:30.02 | liable | Dewi: i am at the point of abandoning it |
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| 15:30.22 | Dewi | liable: maybe I'm too forgiving of the amount of stuff it has to deal with |
| 15:30.48 | Darth_Tux | themill, firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version. |
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| 15:30.57 | Dewi | liable: does opera really do any better? Problem with opera is that without installing lots of extensions, I never want to use it long enough to load it up with the obscene numbers of pages I load FF with |
| 15:30.57 | liable | Dewi: what? parsing web pages? thats all i want it to do, and its sucks admirably at that. |
| 15:31.11 | liable | i refuse to use opera |
| 15:31.26 | avu | liable, you talk like parsing the HTML out there in the web is an easy thing |
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| 15:31.46 | liable | avu: i know, i generalise.. |
| 15:31.49 | octoberdan | Are there any window managers with a macos like application switcher? So I can do things like raise every window of a certain type? |
| 15:31.54 | Dewi | avu: it's not, but HTML parsing is one of the easiest things it does |
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| 15:32.03 | octoberdan | or get a list with only each type listed once and the rest collapsed |
| 15:32.07 | oskude | opera is the only browser that can SVG animation... other than that, its just ugly and closed ;) |
| 15:32.08 | liable | avu: why is it so fucking hard to get a decent web browser? |
| 15:32.21 | avu | Dewi, yeah, when I say HTML I of course mean HTML/CSS/JS ;) |
| 15:32.23 | octoberdan | Looking for a friend who is departing from Debian because he can't find the functionality |
| 15:32.29 | turneralex | heyy, im trying to set up dhcpd here and when i try to start it i fails, i look in the log only to find that its looking for red hat files... anyone seen this before? |
| 15:32.29 | Dewi | liable: because the web is a huge obscene mess |
| 15:32.37 | avu | liable, because it's very very complicated? |
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| 15:32.46 | Dewi | liable: and getting worse the more complexity and trust we build on top without a big overhaul |
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| 15:33.14 | liable | whats so complex about it when you remove java and flash? |
| 15:33.14 | themill | Darth_Tux: see... this is where the problem is. If the package were properly installed, you would have things in /lib/firmware/ but you say you don't. |
| 15:33.28 | Dewi | liable: java and flash are easy, self-contained problems |
| 15:33.46 | rsk | software properties crashes for me |
| 15:34.05 | Dewi | liable: the difficult part is making a live DOM tree where everything fails softly and CSS rules apply in a cascading way and update in real time |
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| 15:34.14 | rsk | http://pastebin.ca/1060572 |
| 15:34.34 | Darth_Tux | themill, brb |
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| 15:34.44 | liable | Dewi: if its so easy, why does ff3 suck so much? why does it make my scrolling slow to a snails pace and why doesnt my url bar show what it should. i hate the fucking awsome bar |
| 15:34.47 | Dewi | liable: and making it render pixel-perfect even though the "softness" of all the failure modes makes it hard to predict what it should really do, ever |
| 15:34.51 | liable | it sucks serious ass |
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| 15:35.23 | chops | Well, FWIW, it looks like Veritas BackupExec agent is a bust on Debian anyway. Its binary installer fails soon after it tries to call /bin/rpm. |
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| 15:35.33 | Dewi | liable: I don't get your problem with the awesome bar. Mine works, although I haven't got ff3 in linux yet because I... still don't know a good way to get it |
| 15:35.41 | Dewi | liable: "grab it from unstable" isn't my style anymore |
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| 15:35.47 | jelly | chops: binary installer = thinly wrapper rpm? |
| 15:35.53 | turneralex | heyy, im trying to set up dhcpd here and when i try to start it i fails, i look in the log only to find that its looking for red hat files... anyone seen this before |
| 15:36.08 | Dewi | liable: and it sounds like devel depends are missing from etch... |
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| 15:36.24 | Dewi | liable: I think I'm waiting for a BPO build |
| 15:36.35 | liable | Dewi: well yeah, if your a windows weenie, it prolly works. we are second class citizens again |
| 15:36.52 | liable | Dewi: i use sid, and it sucks still |
| 15:36.56 | Dewi | liable: or maybe just to forget what a horrible clusterfuck I entered into on the weekend when I tried to build a source package that was missing build depends |
| 15:37.02 | chops | jelly: It looks like it's actually moderately sophisticated (for sort of byzantine definitions of "sophisticated"). It's a common installer for Linux, Solaris, and OSX, with its own little private version of perl for each. It looks like it assumes "Linux" means "rpm", though. |
| 15:37.21 | jelly | chops: what else would it be?! :-) |
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| 15:37.48 | Dewi | liable: fwiw (probably not much) my FF2 on etch has about 25 tabs open for 3 months at a time... |
| 15:37.54 | Dewi | liable: and I use it every second day |
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| 15:38.17 | jelly | chops: Networker had proper alienable .rpms |
| 15:38.17 | Dewi | liable: I can't help but think the windows build would have eaten 3gb of RAM by then |
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| 15:38.28 | Dewi | liable: but I abuse the windows version a lot more, so who knows... |
| 15:38.56 | chops | jelly: Ah, yes, here we go... nothing like packaging up one compressed format inside another compressed format. http://pastebin.com/m5f68ac50 |
| 15:39.25 | Darth_Tux | themill, iwconfig http://pastebin.ca/1060574 |
| 15:39.38 | jelly | chops: I'd probably make "rpm" a shell script that did alien -k and dpkg -i |
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| 15:40.07 | chops | jelly: If it was me responsible for this, I'd be happy to start fooling with alien, but it's our IT contractors who chose Veritas, so I'm punting back to them. I'll mention that I think I know a way to fudge it into working, but of course there are extra steps which are run during the binary installer instead of as a preinst in the rpm, so I'm not very confident that alien will be a complete solution. |
| 15:40.14 | liable | Darth_Tux: that looks good |
| 15:40.16 | themill | Darth_Tux: all looks good then. Configure your wireless as normal :) |
| 15:40.27 | Darth_Tux | i did, still no joy |
| 15:40.29 | liable | Darth_Tux: you cant get an ip from dhclient ? |
| 15:40.33 | Dewi | themill: there's a normal way to configure wireless? |
| 15:41.02 | themill | Dewi: he's only changing driver for the same card. Whatever technique he was using is still applicable. That's "normal" for him, |
| 15:41.12 | Darth_Tux | liable, no |
| 15:41.16 | chops | jelly: Fast forward to a week from now when I'm replacing all our Debian servers with RHEL and filled with regret :-) |
| 15:41.22 | Dewi | themill: hehe, fair enough. I'm just being a little cruel |
| 15:41.23 | themill | Darth_Tux: should you have WEP enabled? |
| 15:41.29 | liable | Darth_Tux: set the essid agin with iwconfig and try again |
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| 15:41.49 | jelly | chops: that is a possible result, yes |
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| 15:42.03 | liable | Darth_Tux: iwl3945 has an odd habit of saying its associated, but not really being untill you set the essid again |
| 15:42.05 | jelly | chops: but RHEL licenses aren't as cheap |
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| 15:42.27 | themill | chops: you're going to spend a lot of time compiling stuff that is in debian but not in rhel... |
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| 15:42.50 | Darth_Tux | liable, sorry, i have no idea how to do that, i usually use network ubnder Desktop>administration |
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| 15:43.02 | liable | Darth_Tux: oh |
| 15:43.11 | chops | jelly: That hasn't stopped a previous employer of mine from switching their servers from Debian to RHEL in the hopes that that would make it possible for a relatively ignorant Windows admin suddenly able to adminster them. |
| 15:43.12 | jelly | themill: there's always dag's repo |
| 15:43.16 | chops | jelly: It didn't :-). |
| 15:43.29 | Darth_Tux | it has always worked before liable |
| 15:44.05 | liable | Darth_Tux: ok |
| 15:44.10 | themill | jelly: yeah.... you still end up with fun and games though. mrs themill is becoming an expert at the "swear at rhel, note that it's in debian, work out how to get it into rhel" dance. |
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| 15:44.27 | chops | jelly: And the fact that the servers are still more or less working now, years later, with basically no maintenance, hasn't clued them into the fact that their fond plan of replacing them all with Windows servers is unlikely to improve matters. |
| 15:44.27 | cahoot | Darth_Tux: dhclient wlan0 - no IP? |
| 15:44.52 | liable | Darth_Tux: can you kill the network app thing and we can try manuall stuff to try and get it working? |
| 15:44.59 | Darth_Tux | sweet |
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| 15:45.20 | Darth_Tux | liable, i am ready |
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| 15:45.35 | liable | Darth_Tux: what desktop are you using? |
| 15:45.41 | Darth_Tux | gnome |
| 15:45.43 | chops | themill: I actually made a habit of installing things by hand-compiling the Debian stable package source at one point. At that point RHEL still had enough 64-bit portability problems to be noticably buggy to me; I'm not sure if it's still that way (I doubt it). |
| 15:45.56 | scatterp | hey just wanted to say thanks to everyone here who helped me change from windows to linux |
| 15:46.13 | liable | Darth_Tux: put your ps ax output on a pastebot |
| 15:46.47 | liable | cant remember the two processes that need to be killed |
| 15:46.52 | jelly | themill: that's a consequence of debian having pretty much anything you can think of. Even Ubuntu picks just a small thousand packages out of that to be supported |
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| 15:47.14 | themill | liable, probably /usr/sbin/NetworkManager /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher |
| 15:47.27 | themill | jelly: yep |
| 15:47.29 | liable | themill: theres an applet too iirc |
| 15:47.31 | jelly | themill: (well, probably more like 3k packages, but still a lot less than d) |
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| 15:47.38 | themill | liable: nm-applet |
| 15:47.47 | liable | thats him |
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| 15:48.02 | Darth_Tux | liable, http://pastebin.ca/1060578 |
| 15:48.11 | themill | liable: but without nm running, nm-applet will just sit there and do nothing |
| 15:48.16 | liable | Darth_Tux: pkill NetworkManager; pkill nm-applet |
| 15:48.31 | themill | (subtle!) |
| 15:48.46 | liable | thats one thing i am not |
| 15:49.13 | jelly | does that CamelCased thing work well these days? |
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| 15:49.28 | themill | jelly: does here. As long as you want dhcp. |
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| 15:49.50 | adama | pidgin says it needs to be a new version to connect to ICQ but apt won't give me a newer one. I have pidgin 2.4.2, I'm running "unstable" apt sources |
| 15:50.08 | Dewi | chops: in what universe is RHEL easier to admin than debian? |
| 15:50.18 | jelly | themill: I want more like "dhcp" on most networks, except this and this one. |
| 15:50.18 | Dewi | chops: maybe easier to admin quite badly |
| 15:50.23 | twobitwork | Dewi: in a manager's imagination |
| 15:50.26 | Dewi | chops: certainly harder to admin well |
| 15:50.36 | liable | Darth_Tux: in the universe where you ring them up and get them to fix it :) |
| 15:50.46 | liable | Dewi: ^^^ |
| 15:50.47 | themill | jelly: then at the moment you can't use networkmanager but need something like ifplugd+guessnet. |
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| 15:51.12 | jelly | themill: ok, so, still useless ;-) |
| 15:51.30 | chops | Dewi: In the universe where having to type 'dpkg -i' instead of 'rpm -i' is a substantial part of the learning curve you have to climb in order to run a production web server and MTA. |
| 15:51.37 | chops | Dewi: (I.e. not this one) |
| 15:51.38 | jelly | ... if I wanted dhcp, debian's default interfaces(5) worked well too |
| 15:51.42 | liable | Darth_Tux: that last comment wasnt for you. have you done the command i gave? |
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| 15:51.52 | themill | jelly: what it does, it does very well. "One task per tool..." |
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| 15:52.12 | themill | jelly: wireless roaming to the internet cafe is not so good with interfaces(5). |
| 15:52.18 | jelly | themill: yeah, I'll resort to it whne I want clickiness |
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| 15:52.35 | Dewi | chops: haha, and yet, I work with people who knew 'rpm -i' and put 'linux experience' on their resume before learning how to use 'cd' |
| 15:52.35 | liable | jelly: wpa-raom covers that admirably |
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| 15:52.44 | Dewi | chops: so, this is a universe many people visit |
| 15:53.04 | turneralex | heyy, im trying to set up dhcpd here and when i try to start it i fails, i look in the log only to find that its looking for red hat files... anyone seen this before |
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| 15:53.07 | turneralex | anyone? |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:53.48 | twobitwork | turneralex: what version of debian are you running, and what did you do to make it want redhat files? |
| 15:53.52 | chops | On a totally unrelated note than complaining about RPM-based distributions... does anyone happen to know of software that can search within a relatively large amount of random files? Hang on, I'll outline what I mean in a little more detail: |
| 15:53.55 | liable | abrotman: echan? |
| 15:53.55 | ma3x | if i put name1: name2 in /etc/aliases, it's accepting it for ALL hostnames! what if there are 2 'name' users on a different host? how do i specify the hostname too? |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | no .. turneralex sohuld paste the error there |
| 15:54.10 | turneralex | twobitwork: etch and nothing just apt-get install |
| 15:54.27 | twobitwork | turneralex: ok, do what abrotman says and paste the error in the pastebin |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | you think i'm crazy! |
| 15:54.40 | Dewi | ma3x: what do you mean by "hostnames" ? |
| 15:54.46 | turneralex | twobitwork: ok |
| 15:54.47 | liable | abrotman: you should tell him that rather than just triggering the bot. seeing as i was confused.. :) |
| 15:54.56 | Dewi | ma3x: your system has just 1 canonical name, and there are many ways to do virtual domains |
| 15:54.58 | abrotman | liable: you're an aussie .. you're excused |
| 15:54.58 | ma3x | Dewi: for example name.com and name.net |
| 15:55.00 | Bushmills | abrotman: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after you |
| 15:55.02 | Bushmills | :) |
| 15:55.07 | abrotman | WHAT? |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | how did you know? |
| 15:55.22 | scatterp | how do i add items to my gnome menu sysstem ? |
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| 15:55.36 | \bin\tclsh | hi |
| 15:55.49 | \bin\tclsh | someone can advice me about a good desktop recorder? |
| 15:55.56 | chops | We have a lot of art assets here for projects for clients, and some of those assets are reusable. For the ones that are, I'd like them to go into a searchable repository so that artists can search for (e.g.) "brick reference" or "skyline" or "bumblebee" and have a good chance of getting useful assets back. One important consideration is that adding items to the repository not be too difficult; certainly uploading to a web server or manually tagging each ass |
| 15:56.02 | \bin\tclsh | im using 2880x and i tried some that only support 1 monitor |
| 15:56.02 | twobitwork | is tcl making a comeback or something? I've been seeing a lot of references to it recently |
| 15:56.10 | Dewi | scatterp: apt-cache search gnome.*menu.*edit |
| 15:56.16 | \bin\tclsh | comeback? tcl never was off |
| 15:56.31 | \bin\tclsh | there is a recent release 8.5 |
| 15:56.37 | ma3x | Dewi: for example you accept mail for domain1.com and domain2.com. and you want to accept mail for john@domain1.com and john@domain2.com and forward them to a different location. how do you do that? |
| 15:56.43 | themill | pidgin icq is <reply> ICQ changed their protocol. Blame them. New versions of pidgin to fix this problem are on the way. See http://bugs.debian.org/488852 (Oh, and gaim under etch isn't affected by this... ask me about <version chasing>!) |
| 15:56.48 | themill | dpkg: pidgin icq is <reply> ICQ changed their protocol. Blame them. New versions of pidgin to fix this problem are on the way. See http://bugs.debian.org/488852 (Oh, and gaim under etch isn't affected by this... ask me about <version chasing>!) |
| 15:56.48 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 15:56.52 | scatterp | thx |
| 15:56.56 | Bushmills | twobit, sun seems to have a habit of dropping scripts languages. openboot/firmware, tcl. java follow soon i guess. |
| 15:57.24 | Dewi | ma3x: these are very vague questions. Are you using exim4? |
| 15:57.27 | twobitwork | Bushmills: tcl was a sun thing? |
| 15:57.29 | Bushmills | though my opinion is that they went from good to bad |
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| 15:57.36 | ma3x | Dewi: posfix |
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| 15:57.43 | Dewi | ma3x: in my experience /etc/aliases only applies to the default domain |
| 15:57.54 | Bushmills | twobitwork: i'd like to reconfirm that but that's what i thought to be the case |
| 15:57.57 | chops | One idea I was kicking around was to have a sort of approximate guide for what keywords to attach to assets, and allow searchability by directory names. So that the chain of subdirectory names serves double duty as a list of tags. So searching for "brick reference" returns projects/oak/reference/brick and personal/dave/brick experimentation/reference and so on. |
| 15:57.58 | ma3x | what about multiple domains? |
| 15:58.06 | chops | Anyway, does anyone happen to know of software that tries to attack this problem? |
| 15:58.08 | Dewi | ma3x: I guess you can probably add more than one domain as your default domain but the thought of doing so confuses me |
| 15:58.09 | Darth_Tux | liable, i dont think that worked |
| 15:58.19 | Dewi | ma3x: well, postfix supports 2 types of virtual domain handling |
| 15:58.36 | Dewi | ma3x: aliases and full virtual. See #postfix, postfix.org, workaround.org, and postfixwiki.org |
| 15:58.38 | liable | Darth_Tux: um, what dont you think worked? |
| 15:58.42 | Dewi | ma3x: not necessarily in that order |
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| 15:58.49 | liable | Darth_Tux: did you just reboot? |
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| 15:58.59 | Darth_Tux | liable, yes |
| 15:59.04 | Darth_Tux | net dies |
| 15:59.08 | Darth_Tux | died |
| 15:59.20 | rsk | software properties crashes for me |
| 15:59.22 | rsk | http://pastebin.ca/1060572 |
| 15:59.23 | Dewi | Bushmills: java is not a scripting language |
| 15:59.46 | chops | Dewi: I like to read the .bash_history files of junior admins (which are always in /root/.bash_history). I remember one fellow who fumbled around for a while, then filled up /var with an incorrect copy argument, then panicked and tried to logout. "quit; q; exit; stop; /q; \q;" and so on... |
| 16:00.02 | Bushmills | Dewi: yes, you're right. |
| 16:00.13 | rsk | where should i report this bug? |
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| 16:00.22 | chops | Dewi: We found that about half a day later, when the brokenness that /var being full had caused was finally traced to its source. We all had a good laugh and then they fired him. |
| 16:00.25 | Bushmills | though source compilation to a VM is not native code generation |
| 16:00.32 | turneralex | twobitwork: http://rafb.net/p/44RmDj39.html --> THANKS! :D |
| 16:00.40 | jelly | chops: for not telling anyone? |
| 16:00.46 | chops | jelly: Among other reasons |
| 16:00.53 | daeos-away | I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L and am wondering if there is a project out for Debian to run on this wonderful little machine ? |
| 16:00.56 | pozic | Bushmills: depends on what the VM does, no? |
| 16:00.56 | liable | !qotd75 |
| 16:00.56 | dpkg | <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
| 16:00.58 | chops | jelly: But that certainly didn't help matters, no |
| 16:01.13 | Bushmills | pozic: does it? |
| 16:01.16 | pozic | Bushmills: some can decompile and compile etc. |
| 16:01.20 | jelly | :q! |
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| 16:01.28 | pozic | Bushmills: (to native code) |
| 16:01.33 | Darth_Tux | liable, any other ideas? |
| 16:01.45 | liable | Darth_Tux: dont reboot |
| 16:01.56 | liable | Darth_Tux: have you got ethernet plugged in? |
| 16:02.02 | Darth_Tux | yes |
| 16:02.14 | Bushmills | pozic: i can't offer a clear definition of "scripting language" now. the term may be a bit ambiguous. |
| 16:02.22 | pozic | And, There Is No Such Thing As A Scripting Language. |
| 16:02.32 | liable | Darth_Tux: so do as before and kill NM |
| 16:02.43 | pozic | People who say those things need to learn to get a clue. |
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| 16:02.57 | Bushmills | so i simplified: what isn't compiled to native code of the physical CPU in the target system, is "scripted" |
| 16:03.02 | Dewi | chops: I have a colleague who broke apache, and called the data centre to power cycle the machine because for some reason deleting the symlink he added was too hard. Except he called the wrong data centre, and several servers got power cycled. When I got off the plane at my holiday destination I had SMSes asking if I could fix it. Afterwards, he swore to my boss that the server had "locked him out", but I took a copy of the /root/.bash_history s |
| 16:03.11 | themill | Darth_Tux: are you dual booting back and forth here to do these things? |
| 16:03.14 | twobitwork | pozic: shell scripting doesn't count? |
| 16:03.21 | chops | Dewi: The history is very, very useful for such things |
| 16:03.21 | pozic | twobitwork: no |
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| 16:03.34 | twobitwork | pozic: why not? |
| 16:03.36 | chops | Dewi: Also, http://blip.tv/file/1015028 |
| 16:03.39 | blue999 | h i@all |
| 16:03.43 | blue999 | from a file with a wordlist.. i have to keep just only word with =>3 lettters and <= 6 ltters |
| 16:03.46 | pozic | twobitwork: that's just a term lots of people use, but it's still not scripting language as such a concept does not exist. |
| 16:03.48 | blue999 | i did this script http://rafb.net/p/RSmrrq14.html |
| 16:03.57 | turneralex | twobitwork: Get my message :D? |
| 16:03.59 | Bushmills | "interpreted" may have been be a better term. |
| 16:03.59 | blue999 | it works but its costs too time |
| 16:04.03 | blue999 | too slow |
| 16:04.11 | chops | twobitwork: Because now that he's committed to an extreme position, he must defend it in the face of any and all opposition :-) |
| 16:04.15 | blue999 | any suggest how do make it better? |
| 16:04.20 | Bushmills | even if code is target compiled to a VM, the VM is still a kind of interpreter then. |
| 16:04.25 | twobitwork | turneralex: yes... I'm thinking... I'm really not sure, seems like something is requesting that file maybe? |
| 16:04.30 | Dewi | chops: yeah, I enjoyed that movie. My boss's SMSes usually contain about that much detail. "The web site is down" |
| 16:04.44 | pozic | Native code is also interpreted by the hardware. |
| 16:04.48 | turneralex | hmm |
| 16:05.01 | pozic | Offtopic btw. |
| 16:05.09 | twobitwork | pozic: so, which concept is it you are attributing to scripting languages that you are claiming doesn't exist? |
| 16:05.09 | Dewi | Bushmills: an important feature of scripting languages is closeness to the host environment |
| 16:05.28 | rsk | http://pastebin.ca/1060572 |
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| 16:05.30 | pozic | twobitwork: the word "scripting language" does not mean anything formally. |
| 16:05.31 | rsk | where should i report this bug? |
| 16:05.37 | daeos-away | I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L and am wondering if there is a project out for Debian to run on this wonderful little machine ? |
| 16:05.43 | themill | pozic, twobitwork, Dewi ==> #debian-offtopic, please. |
| 16:06.10 | Dewi | themill: sorry. It'll be sleep for me. |
| 16:06.17 | Bushmills | twobitwork: http://www.tcl.tk/about/history.html |
| 16:06.21 | slayton | anybody know how to compile python modules into debian packages? |
| 16:06.22 | chops | pozic: Neither does the word "largeish", or the word "blue", or the word "chair". Very few concepts have formally-specified definitions outside mathematics. |
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| 16:06.32 | Bushmills | twobitwork: the 1994- period |
| 16:06.42 | twobitwork | Bushmills: ahh, cool |
| 16:07.09 | Dewi | daeos-away: google debian zaurus? |
| 16:07.12 | pozic | chops: blue has a pretty good definition as being in a certain range of wavelengths of light. |
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| 16:07.35 | pozic | chops: also #debian-offtopic. Respect the admins. |
| 16:07.51 | ragamufin | liable, ok, i did it |
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| 16:08.06 | Dewi | pozic: you don't have to respect them, but listening to them's a good idea. :) |
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| 16:08.18 | liable | ragamufin: did what? |
| 16:08.33 | turneralex | twobitwork: yeah i cant figure this one out |
| 16:08.39 | ragamufin | liable, Darth_Tux, the nick is froze |
| 16:08.52 | alleyoopster | I need to understand something here, if you rely on a kernel module built from somename-source are you at the mercy of a kernel update breaking that package in the future and is there a way round this? |
| 16:08.54 | liable | ragamufin: but where are you at? |
| 16:09.00 | twobitwork | turneralex: I'm not sure what would be causing it, sorry |
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| 16:09.14 | ragamufin | liable, same computer |
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| 16:09.47 | berzerka | i have just re-installed (yes, i truly screwed up..) and upgraded to testing. i am trying to build the proprietary nvidia driver. the installed kernel was built with gcc 4.1 and i have 4.3 installed now. shall i recompile the kernel or install gcc 4.1, or will it just work with the new compiler? |
| 16:10.12 | liable | ragamufin: yeah, but what have you done and what has happened? |
| 16:10.15 | turneralex | twobitwork: kk |
| 16:10.19 | turneralex | thanks for your time anyways |
| 16:10.21 | ragamufin | i did the pkills |
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| 16:10.23 | liable | is about to bang head on desk |
| 16:10.28 | telenieko | Hi, when I suspend my laptop (to ram) it does so successfully, but it won't resume (it simply reboots on resume), it was doing this fine previously but something changed. How can I debug the resume process? |
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| 16:10.41 | \bin\tclsh | berzerka: i saw the same warning when installed driver, i just omit that step and go ahead with the current compiler, it works |
| 16:10.48 | Bushmills | is thinking about implementing a tiny APL as editor script language |
| 16:10.50 | liable | ragamufin: right, so network-manager isnt running? |
| 16:10.53 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: alright, thank you. |
| 16:11.09 | ragamufin | liable, right, it shouldnt be |
| 16:11.15 | javatexan | when I do an apt-get update after adding deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ unstable main I get the following: |
| 16:11.15 | javatexan | W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 |
| 16:11.23 | liable | ragamufin: s/shouldnt/you know/ |
| 16:11.27 | javatexan | how do i fix that |
| 16:11.31 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: because the warning said "if you know what you're doing", i thought i ask the people who do so first ;) |
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| 16:11.36 | liable | ragamufin: check ps output |
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| 16:11.51 | \bin\tclsh | hehe :) i had the same question the first time |
| 16:12.17 | ragamufin | liable, not running according to ps |
| 16:12.30 | alleyoopster | Do kernel upgrades always break modules installed with module-assist? Is there another way? |
| 16:12.39 | liable | ragamufin: good. so, ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 16:12.54 | liable | ragamufin: paste your iwconfig output |
| 16:13.01 | \bin\tclsh | berzerka: btw, there is a way to force the driver to use the current compiler and you wont see that warning, but i never did it because its only an extra click that i dont care |
| 16:13.02 | javatexan | where do I findt the embedian key to add it...the NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 |
| 16:13.04 | liable | ragamufin: and ifconfig -a output |
| 16:14.42 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: i'm also fine with this.. i guess it's an option for the installer's invocation? |
| 16:15.04 | javatexan | i see where I can import a key in synaptic...where do I find the key for emdebian? Is there an emdebian IRC? |
| 16:15.08 | ragamufin | liable, iwconfig > http://pastebin.ca/1060590 ifconfig -a > http://pastebin.ca/1060591 |
| 16:15.16 | \bin\tclsh | berzerka: i think so |
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| 16:16.08 | batcoder-7 | hi |
| 16:16.18 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: hmm he fails because /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h doesn't exist. but i copied the config from /boot and did make oldconfig. do i really have to 'make' only to build the driver against the kernel? do you know incidentally? |
| 16:16.27 | liable | ragamufin: looking at that, you are using the wireless.... |
| 16:16.46 | batcoder-7 | i installed ndiswrapper and all and then i tried ot do a modprobe and it says it cannot be found ? how should i try to fix this ? |
| 16:16.50 | \bin\tclsh | hm, i never saw that error, probably you need the linux-headers from apt-get |
| 16:17.00 | ragamufin | so, if i disconnect the cable we should be set |
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| 16:17.16 | liable | yes |
| 16:17.27 | batcoder-7 | any help would be great |
| 16:17.29 | ragamufin | liable, we shall see |
| 16:17.30 | helo | is there a way to tell dpkg not to replace a package if it is already installed and being dpkg -i'd? |
| 16:17.32 | daeos | Dewi: I have, but I was wondering if there was an active community here in this channel that is working on it. |
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| 16:17.46 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: nope... there is no package which provides that file (i checked..) |
| 16:18.02 | liable | ragamufin: i guess.. |
| 16:18.07 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever used Ndiswrapper ? |
| 16:18.23 | liable | !anyone use ndiswrapper? |
| 16:18.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses ndiswrapper, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:18.30 | batcoder-7 | ok well |
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| 16:18.37 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: ah alright, i began a make and immediately aborted, version.h is the first file he creates. let's see now... |
| 16:18.39 | batcoder-7 | why cant i modprobe ndiswrapper ? |
| 16:18.44 | ragamufin | liable, that is strange, my laptop has a light on the from that turns blue when wireless connected, wireless is working ( cable is unplugged ) light is still orange |
| 16:18.44 | batcoder-7 | i installed it |
| 16:18.54 | \bin\tclsh | berzerka: did you downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia.com? that file.run ? it works via sudo sh NVIDIA-etc.run, you must have the x window closed and the xserver sttoped |
| 16:19.16 | daeos | abrotman: hello again |
| 16:19.21 | liable | ragamufin: leds are a work in progress still |
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| 16:19.45 | ragamufin | i see, liable thanks for the time you put in, i appreciate it |
| 16:19.46 | liable | ragamufin: dont trust a shiny light. look at the tools you have available for output |
| 16:19.57 | berzerka | \bin\tclsh: yes, yes, of course. it's only that the default sources (from the linux-source-2.6.24 tarball which got installed) don't contain the header until make has been "started" once. |
| 16:20.06 | themill | \bin\tclsh: erm... yuck. Please don't tell people to use the nvidia installer |
| 16:20.10 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:20.16 | batcoder-7 | Fatal: Ndiswrapper not found >>> when i try to modprobe ndiswrapper, but i installed it ? |
| 16:20.22 | batcoder-7 | anyone have any ideas ? |
| 16:20.26 | berzerka | themill: is there a package in non-free which does this? |
| 16:20.27 | \amethyst | Isn't this instruction on backports.org bad? gpg --export | apt-key add - |
| 16:20.28 | \bin\tclsh | why not themill? is the only way that i know from nvidia.com |
| 16:20.38 | \amethyst | won't that add every key in my keyring to the apt keyring? |
| 16:21.21 | \bin\tclsh | in any way, it were using it already, i just share my experiencie, i wont force to nobody to use what i would use |
| 16:21.29 | batcoder-7 | i really need this hmmmm |
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| 16:21.55 | berzerka | themill: i know the proprietary driver is bad and all, but working in a professional environment where we deal with 3d graphics on nvidia cards, i'm afraid i have not much choice. |
| 16:21.56 | themill | berzerka, \bin\tclsh: /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks |
| 16:22.40 | themill | berzerka: you can still do things the debian way which means you don't get nasty surprises and a broken system |
| 16:22.49 | pumpkin0 | berzerka: then act like a pro and use the deb-packages. |
| 16:22.54 | \bin\tclsh | i wont know it, if you say it, is enough for me, i trust you |
| 16:23.50 | berzerka | pumpkin0: hey, great! a colleague just told me they exist, too... well they didn't.. maybe 3 years ago? of course i will use the debian packages if they exist.. |
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| 16:24.31 | \amethyst | berzerka: which release are you using? |
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| 16:24.51 | berzerka | \amethyst: testing, lenny. i asked dpkg about post_etch :) |
| 16:25.21 | \amethyst | so is lenny going to have nvidia drivers? |
| 16:25.33 | pumpkin0 | berzerka: the driver-packages changelog starts 9 May 2003. |
| 16:25.39 | \amethyst | I assume they're waiting on some kind of Xorg transition? |
| 16:25.45 | batcoder-7 | If one installs ndiswrapper would it automatically add it too modules ot be loaded ?? when i try to modprobe it it says it is not found, i am stumped |
| 16:26.10 | netcrash | Hello , anyone know if maildrop the debian package comes with --enable-maildropmysql ? |
| 16:26.29 | batcoder-7 | anyone ? |
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| 16:26.32 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: try m-a a-i ndiswrapper to build and install the kernel modules for your specific kernel |
| 16:26.42 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: you'll need the module-assistant package to do so |
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| 16:26.47 | rhalff | hi what are the development files for xen ? there is no xen-dev or anything |
| 16:26.53 | berzerka | pumpkin0: well, uhm, i didn't know of driver-packages up to now, thank you! |
| 16:26.57 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: (and the ndiswrapper-source package for the mmodule source) |
| 16:27.11 | \amethyst | rhalff: libxen-dev |
| 16:27.56 | rsk | is there a debian bugzilla for reporting bugs? |
| 16:27.58 | rsk | !bugs |
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| 16:28.00 | rsk | !bug |
| 16:28.00 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 16:28.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:28.11 | themill | dpkg: tell rsk about reportbug |
| 16:28.14 | asperon | hi guys, just got back from summer vacation and now my box is telling me: |
| 16:28.14 | asperon | sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK |
| 16:28.14 | asperon | end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 63 |
| 16:28.22 | asperon | does that mean that that drive died, or? |
| 16:28.25 | rsk | themill: reportbug didn't work |
| 16:28.27 | batcoder-7 | \amethyst: i did -m |
| 16:28.53 | batcoder-7 | \amethyst: modprobe already containts the alias directive |
| 16:28.54 | themill | dpkg: tell rsk about doesn't work |
| 16:28.55 | pumpkin0 | asperon: run smartctl -a /dev/sdc to check its status. |
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| 16:29.26 | rsk | themill: my mail isn't working so it couldn't send it |
| 16:29.34 | rsk | themill: so i want to report it manually |
| 16:30.04 | rsk | so hence my question |
| 16:30.06 | batcoder-7 | how can i see the name of all kernel modules ? |
| 16:30.08 | rsk | is there a debian bugzilla? |
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| 16:30.10 | themill | rsk: you could fix your mail server... or you can manually send the mail using your webmail or similar. |
| 16:30.23 | asperon | pumpkin0: that game me A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. |
| 16:30.40 | rsk | ok can't bother with it then |
| 16:30.43 | pumpkin0 | asperon: is it HD or a CD/DVD-drive ? |
| 16:30.57 | wols | asperon: usb or sata? |
| 16:31.07 | asperon | sata |
| 16:31.19 | asperon | its on a sil controler |
| 16:31.22 | asperon | not using the raid |
| 16:31.30 | asperon | all other drives seems fine |
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| 16:31.47 | themill | rsk: if you're prepared to stuff around trying to report something using bugzilla, then you may as well just send the email that reportbug generated for you. |
| 16:32.48 | wols | asperon: smartctl -a /dev/....|less and smartctl -t long /dev/,,,, |
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| 16:33.07 | wols | at the end of smartctl -a there should be a nice list of previous errors and such |
| 16:33.13 | rsk | that's what she said! *Snaps fingers* |
| 16:33.16 | wols | can be empty too tho |
| 16:33.23 | javatexan | anyone know of an emdebian IRC |
| 16:33.25 | asperon | wols: stil get that mandatory error |
| 16:33.26 | Master9 | how do i add an ethernet card |
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| 16:33.36 | wols | asperon: also check dmesg |
| 16:33.48 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/44355 |
| 16:33.59 | asperon | dmesg has that two lines that i pasted, over and over |
| 16:34.02 | cahoot | Master9: does it show up in ifcaonfig -a? |
| 16:34.13 | cahoot | Master9: ifconfig -a? |
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| 16:34.14 | Master9 | cahoot: ill check |
| 16:34.24 | pablo` | hi, ho do i know if i have xv support? |
| 16:34.42 | Master9 | cahoot: nope, just lo and sit0 |
| 16:34.43 | bzk | hmm... nvidia-kernel-source seems not to exist? |
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| 16:35.03 | wols | asperon: permissive - ignore failure(s) of mandatory SMART commands. This option may be given more than once. Each additional use |
| 16:35.05 | enouf | pablo`: xvinfo |
| 16:35.06 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.11 | wols | asperon: see manpage |
| 16:35.12 | cahoot | Master9: then you need to figure out what driver it needs - lspci might help |
| 16:35.25 | wols | HolyTuX: how old is the disk? what capacity? |
| 16:35.28 | bzk | i only see nvidia-kernel-common with apt-cache search. i have non-free repos enabled.. |
| 16:35.46 | asperon | wols: 500gb, its a year isg |
| 16:36.15 | Master9 | cahoot: hmm, it doesn't come up in lspce |
| 16:36.20 | Master9 | *lspci |
| 16:36.33 | wols | asperon: then it sounds like you are in the market for a new hdd imho |
| 16:36.43 | bzk | hmm i guess i have to stick with the nvidia installer for now :/ |
| 16:36.44 | wols | older disks often lack some SMART fields and features |
| 16:36.47 | asperon | wols: again, me and harddrives just dont play along |
| 16:36.47 | pablo` | enouf: X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present. what does this means? |
| 16:36.50 | wols | as new as this: not likely |
| 16:37.01 | asperon | vertigo:~# smartctl -a /dev/sdc1 -T permissive |
| 16:37.01 | asperon | smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen |
| 16:37.01 | asperon | Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:37.01 | asperon | Short INQUIRY response, skip product id |
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| 16:37.12 | cahoot | Master9: broken ? not inserted correctly? |
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| 16:37.36 | themill | dpkg: tell asperon about paste |
| 16:37.41 | asperon | sorry about that, missclicked |
| 16:37.43 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/44357 |
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| 16:37.47 | asperon | was what i meant to paste |
| 16:37.48 | enouf | pablo`: i'm not sure |
| 16:37.57 | Master9 | cahoot: i added a new ethernet card and it messed stuff up so i took the new one out and then the old one didn't work |
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| 16:38.22 | asperon | guess i need to get a new drive then, thnx for the help guys |
| 16:38.29 | Dewi | asperon: is it SATA or real SCSI? |
| 16:38.30 | wols | asperon: /dev/sdc. it tests disks, not partitions |
| 16:38.31 | nan3 | pablo`: maybe your driver/graphics adapter does not support it |
| 16:38.33 | enouf | pablo`: what's your video card? using 3d drivers? |
| 16:38.53 | Dewi | asperon: for many SATA controlls smartctl needs -d ata |
| 16:38.57 | Dewi | controllers even |
| 16:39.13 | Dewi | (and also specify disks not partitions, like wols said) |
| 16:39.13 | nan3 | pablo`: something like 'grep -i video /var/log/Xorg.0.log' might help to get more info |
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| 16:39.25 | bzk | which repository do i have to add to get nvidia-kernel-sources and install them the debian way? |
| 16:39.27 | wols | Dewi: didn't for me IIRC. have a SiL controller too |
| 16:39.35 | wols | asperon: but it won't hurt |
| 16:39.38 | Dewi | wols: really? all my SiL stuff needs it |
| 16:39.44 | wols | bzk: contrib |
| 16:39.45 | enouf | actually do 'grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
| 16:39.51 | bzk | wols: i have contrib.. |
| 16:39.53 | bzk | wols: strange |
| 16:39.57 | wols | Dewi: would need to check again |
| 16:40.01 | wols | bzk: lenny? |
| 16:40.03 | Dewi | wols: there are probably BIOS complexities though, these things can run in many modes |
| 16:40.18 | bzk | wols: yup. |
| 16:40.32 | wols | bzk: lenny has no nvidia drivers at all. you need to backport them from sid |
| 16:40.32 | Dewi | wols: if it's in a modern mode like AHCI maybe such hacks are unnecessary |
| 16:40.35 | wols | !tell bzk about sid |
| 16:41.19 | bzk | wols: hm dpkg just told me about nvidia_post_etch, and that doesn't work... i don't want to backport any packages, so i will stick with the nvidia installer, which always worked fine for me. |
| 16:41.21 | wols | bzk: and kernel source alone is not enough. for the backport you will need nvidia-graphics-drivers btw |
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| 16:41.49 | wols | bzk: we don't support that installer. and it WILL break your debian when you upgrade X or the kernel. have fun |
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| 16:42.26 | bzk | wols: i know, i know. i am using it for years (on many systems).. a reinstallation of the driver normally fixes it. |
| 16:42.53 | et | the "debian way" has caused me a lot more grief than the nvidia installer |
| 16:43.20 | bzk | wols: when the driver packages got into testing, i will not hesitate to switch to them, and maybe i will also try this at home, but i really have to get this system running and begin working ;) |
| 16:43.45 | wols | it won't until lenny becomes stable is my guess |
| 16:43.56 | bzk | wols: well, i'm not in a hurry :) |
| 16:43.57 | wols | driver is missing since forever in lenny |
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| 16:45.43 | replicant | where can i find the udev log? |
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| 16:45.57 | themill | wols: by the time lenny is stable, it will be too late for nvidia to go into lenny... |
| 16:46.31 | wols | it will be in lenny. debian doesn't like the drivers but they will be in |
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| 16:46.48 | wols | contrib and non-free of course |
| 16:47.37 | wols | asperon: any progress? |
| 16:47.38 | themill | wols: not if they've still got rc bugs.... that's why they're still only in sid and not lenny now. Unless lenny's release is delayed for them... |
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| 16:49.06 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever installed ndiswrapper ? |
| 16:49.15 | batcoder-7 | i don have the kernel module says it cant be found |
| 16:49.20 | batcoder-7 | so di need to re install |
| 16:49.56 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 16:49.57 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:50.20 | wols | themill: what bugs? it even tells me it's not in debian :) |
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| 16:51.08 | netcrash | Can't determine what's the diference between maildrop and courier-maildrop packages in debian etch ... Any tips ? |
| 16:51.09 | themill | !why is nvidia-graphics-drivers not in debian |
| 16:51.10 | dpkg | themill: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:51.16 | themill | !why is nvidia-graphics-drivers not in testing |
| 16:51.16 | dpkg | nvidia-graphics-drivers is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:51.21 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:51.22 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 16:51.43 | liable | no, stupid liable |
| 16:51.52 | batcoder-7 | wols: i apt-get install ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 >> and when i do modprobe ndiswrapper >> says Fatal error module not found |
| 16:51.54 | liable | whoops |
| 16:52.02 | wols | themill: that reasoning is bullshit |
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| 16:52.24 | themill | wols: yeah, there was a recent upload. There's still 1 RC bug though. |
| 16:52.37 | wols | themill: which one? |
| 16:52.47 | wols | I've checked when nvidia was 169.x |
| 16:52.49 | batcoder-7 | anyone want to help me a bit here |
| 16:52.57 | themill | !dbug 441975 |
| 16:53.00 | wols | batcoder-7: dpkg -L for both packages. in a pastebin |
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| 16:53.22 | themill | !botspank |
| 16:53.22 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 16:53.26 | themill | !dbugs 441975 |
| 16:53.30 | dpkg | #441975:S[nvidia-glx] nvidia-glx should only provide the TLS version; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:51:01 UTC |
| 16:53.35 | batcoder-7 | does debian require me to compile my own ndiswrapper kernel module ? |
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| 16:53.50 | wols | themill: libc 2.6.x. I call more BS |
| 16:53.59 | batcoder-7 | 2ndly whats a better X terminal besides xterm anyone know off hand ? |
| 16:53.59 | themill | wols: looks like a lot of work went into that nvidia driver recently. It might make it in yet. |
| 16:54.01 | wols | batcoder-7: please do what I asked you |
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| 16:54.22 | batcoder-7 | wols: yes need to get a better terminal first xterm is horrible at copying things |
| 16:54.29 | AlteKiet | Hi all, can I e2fsck my root filesystem without a reboot? (safely) |
| 16:55.11 | wols | AlteKiet: remount it read only |
| 16:55.23 | chops | AlteKiet: You can remount it read-only, fsck, and then remount read-write if it wasn't modified. You'll basically have to go to runlevel 1 in order for remounting it read-only to work, though. |
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| 16:55.27 | wols | batcoder-7: what desktop environment? |
| 16:55.41 | wols | chops: really? what preevnts it? |
| 16:55.46 | batcoder-7 | wols: its just a debain lenny with fluxbox |
| 16:55.53 | AlteKiet | wols: chops: thanks. I'll check it out |
| 16:55.57 | batcoder-7 | wols: so anything light and better then xterm will work for me |
| 16:55.59 | chops | wols: I thought remounting read-only only succeeded if no files were open writeable |
| 16:56.21 | wols | batcoder-7: mrxvt |
| 16:56.23 | jim_p | hello. today's update broke audacious. it crashes at start. the problem relies on the wrong package versions between audacious (v1.5.1) and audacious-plugins (v1.5.0). Any solutions about this? i am on debian testing and i dont use apt-pinning and stuff |
| 16:56.31 | wols | but you should really read the !better facotoid |
| 16:56.31 | chops | jim_p: Checked the BTS? |
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| 16:56.53 | jim_p | no because i dont know how |
| 16:56.59 | chops | !tell jim_p about bts |
| 16:57.00 | wols | !bts |
| 16:57.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:57.03 | hoxu | chops, are you saying fsck'ing read-only mounted partitions is ok? |
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| 16:57.11 | wols | hoxu: yes it is |
| 16:57.18 | wols | hoxu: cause data integrity is preserved |
| 16:57.29 | chops | hoxu: That's precisely what I'm saying. If they're modified, then you have to reboot, otherwise remounting them read-write after is alright as well. |
| 16:57.31 | jim_p | thanks chops |
| 16:57.33 | jim_p | brb |
| 16:57.37 | chops | jim_p: np |
| 16:57.39 | hoxu | wols, hrmh, that's new to me, I thought it was a no-no because of potential changes |
| 16:57.52 | wols | hoxu: what changes when it's read only? |
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| 16:58.08 | batcoder-7 | thanks wols |
| 16:58.14 | chops | hoxu: How do you think the root partition gets fscked on system startup? AFAIK that's the reason why the root filesystem is read-only when booted. |
| 16:58.18 | batcoder-7 | do you knwo how to easily copy and paste from the terminal as well ? |
| 16:58.19 | hoxu | wols, changes because of fsck repairing things |
| 16:58.30 | wols | batcoder-7: use a mouse |
| 16:58.31 | chops | hoxu: That's why you have to reboot after if anything gets modified. |
| 16:58.35 | hoxu | chops, good point |
| 16:58.53 | wols | !tell batcoder-7 about pastewithout X |
| 16:58.55 | wols | !tell batcoder-7 about pastewithoutX |
| 16:59.36 | jim_p | on top of the page says "Debian Bug reports... audacious... unstable" and i use testing. how can i change the branch? |
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| 16:59.47 | batcoder-7 | wols: im using X |
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| 17:00.01 | wols | batcoder-7: but you obviosuly don't have a clue how to use it |
| 17:00.19 | wols | like copy+paste |
| 17:00.27 | batcoder-7 | i have always used a terminal that provided it more easily hmm |
| 17:00.48 | batcoder-7 | i knwo the 3rd mouse button copies but then it trie to run that as well |
| 17:01.18 | Master9 | if i have 2 ethernet cards, will my connection be any faster |
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| 17:01.48 | chops | jim_p: I always just use that page... for this case it should be okay just to use the unstable page. If there's no bug on the unstable page there's probably not one on the testing page. |
| 17:01.59 | batcoder-7 | wols: i understand how ot crl c + shift insert but i cant paste into a browser hmmm |
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| 17:02.06 | jim_p | Master9: probably not, unless you connect to 2 different networks |
| 17:02.17 | moos3 | I updated to the latest dist-upgrade for lenny and now my network connections aren't working... ideas on how to fix this? |
| 17:02.30 | Master9 | jim_p: not to the internet, to the network |
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| 17:03.10 | moos3 | background on network interfaces they were bonded together before i did the upgrade |
| 17:03.36 | rudenstam | Hello, I seem to have a problem getting two 3Com 3c905B cards working in my debian etch... they both show up in lspci, 3c95x shows up in lsmod... but nothing about them is mentioned in dmesg... and trying ifconfig eth1 gives me "Device not found".... any ideas ? |
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| 17:05.11 | jim_p | chops : thanks. Actually... this is not a bug... with the "bug" term. Its is more like... audacious slipped from unstable to testing, in a normal road each package follows, but audacious-plugins stayed on unstable! Like having a lambo in your garage and having a key to a ferrari lol!! |
| 17:05.44 | wols | batcoder-7: then maybe you should learn how X copy+paste works. and no, it's not ctrl+c. that's the windows way |
| 17:05.46 | chops | jim_p: That is a bug. The dependencies on audacious should be tighter if having the packages installed in that configuration causes brokenness. |
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| 17:06.36 | jim_p | Master9: you will need 2 different ips then, but even under this condition, i dont think you will gain more from the network |
| 17:06.42 | wols | batcoder-7: X works as "select is copy" |
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| 17:07.11 | jim_p | chops: thats the right word. Dependencies! |
| 17:07.12 | chops | batcoder-7: Ctrl-C is _one_ way that cut-and-paste works in X, but it's not the only. Highlighting something copies what you highlight to one buffer, from which it can be pasted with a middle-click. Highlighting something and pressing Ctrl-C (in some apps) or Ctrl-Insert will copy it to a _different_ buffer, from which it can be pasted with Ctrl-V (in some apps) or Shift-Insert. |
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| 17:07.18 | batcoder-7 | wols: select ? and yes but crtl c still works within the terminal btw |
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| 17:07.40 | chops | batcoder-7: In general you should find some docs and read up about how it works; there's plenty of information on the internet. |
| 17:07.45 | \amethyst | some terminals require ctrl-shift-C for that, because ctrl-c sends SIGINT |
| 17:07.48 | batcoder-7 | choc: im trying to copy from a terminal and paste into a browser |
| 17:08.01 | jim_p | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:08.01 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 17:08.03 | chops | batcoder-7: So highlight in the terminal and middle-click in the browser. |
| 17:08.04 | Master9 | i have an icecast server on a computer and its running slower than on my other computer even though the connection speeds are the same |
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| 17:09.04 | batcoder-7 | chops: thanks worked but is that the only way ? |
| 17:09.37 | chops | batcoder-7: From a terminal, it's generally the best way. |
| 17:09.57 | chops | batcoder-7: Because as previously mentioned, Ctrl-C has a different meaning in terminals. |
| 17:10.06 | woodgrain | pls recommend a hard drive installation tutorial (disk with data on it --> debian) |
| 17:10.45 | moos3 | can anyone help me get my network back on my debian lenny server? |
| 17:10.52 | jim_p | woodgrain: i have written one but it is in greek :( |
| 17:10.58 | batcoder-7 | wow i am an idiot |
| 17:11.08 | chops | moos3: Can you describe in more detail exactly what's going wrong with the network? |
| 17:11.17 | jim_p | moos3: be more specific |
| 17:11.18 | _overflow_ | Hi, Which command can I use to install the build deps for a source package? |
| 17:11.26 | batcoder-7 | in debain its just not ndiswrapper |
| 17:11.32 | batcoder-7 | its ndiswrapper-common |
| 17:11.36 | batcoder-7 | so i only had the utils |
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| 17:11.54 | jim_p | apt-get buid-dep .... |
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| 17:12.24 | cusco_ | hey dudes... |
| 17:12.24 | jim_p | _overflow_: apt-get build-dep ... |
| 17:12.27 | _overflow_ | thx |
| 17:12.31 | wols | woodgrain: more info needed |
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| 17:12.52 | cusco_ | Im going to try and follow this explanation - http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298 - to try and configure a debian box with two internet connections |
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| 17:13.17 | cusco_ | can some one just have a look and tell me what $P1_NET is? "IP network" |
| 17:13.18 | woodgrain | jim_p, wols, I'm trying to add an HD with data on it to a new debian machine get data. |
| 17:13.27 | moos3 | i did dist-upgrade for lenny last week and the server had to be shutdown for moving, the ifaces are bonded together and now I cant get out to the network nor can it be pinged, not sure that happened but under the rx and tx nothing has been transmitted at all |
| 17:13.33 | batcoder-7 | man modprobe still cant find the damn module |
| 17:13.33 | moos3 | detailed enough? |
| 17:14.00 | Supaplex | how do I subscribe to a bug#? |
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| 17:14.05 | wols | batcoder-7: I asked you something |
| 17:14.13 | batcoder-7 | yes i know |
| 17:14.21 | batcoder-7 | there is no .ko file in the ndiswrapper-common |
| 17:14.33 | jim_p | moos3: how does that server get its ip ? dhcp or "pinned" (manually) |
| 17:14.35 | jim_p | ? |
| 17:14.54 | moos3 | pinned |
| 17:15.01 | wols | batcoder-7: but source is in those packages. so you gotta use m-a |
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| 17:15.12 | woodgrain | wols, I'm trying to add my old HD to a new machine without breaking anything |
| 17:15.22 | _overflow_ | jim_p, thanks |
| 17:15.23 | moos3 | due to the bonding accross 2 different pipes |
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| 17:15.28 | woodgrain | wols, and I'd like to learn the RIGHT way to do it so I don't have to bugg the IRC |
| 17:15.29 | wols | moos3: what is the gateway's IP and what is set as default gateway? |
| 17:15.44 | wols | woodgrain: put it in. is it connected already? |
| 17:15.52 | batcoder-7 | wols: oh |
| 17:16.06 | woodgrain | wols, it's in but I can't seem to find it |
| 17:16.09 | batcoder-7 | wols: so how do i find out what i gotta do now ? |
| 17:16.14 | wols | woodgrain: as root. fdisk -l |
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| 17:16.22 | moos3 | 192.168.1.1 is the gateway and the default |
| 17:16.24 | wols | batcoder-7: you read m-a docs |
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| 17:16.56 | wols | moos3: dmesg |grep eth |
| 17:17.03 | batcoder-7 | -m or -ma ? |
| 17:17.05 | jim_p | moos3: i think some other pc on the network may be using the same ip. Anyway, try pinning ips to all the pcs. on debian the configuration lies in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:17.09 | wols | batcoder-7: neither |
| 17:17.27 | danger18 | !list |
| 17:17.27 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to danger18 |
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| 17:17.39 | jim_p | !list |
| 17:17.39 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jim_p |
| 17:17.58 | wols | !tell jim_p about msg the bot |
| 17:18.41 | jim_p | thanks for the tip. I was just wondering what to all these "!*" commands do |
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| 17:18.43 | Pheagator | moos3: with 0 pkts on rx/tx it looks like you have a disconnected cable ;] |
| 17:18.54 | Pheagator | normally you would receive some arp packets/broadcast. |
| 17:18.56 | ukatan | heh |
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| 17:19.03 | bwlang | when i booted a server that's been working for weeks the bonded network interface did not come up properly... early in the boot process i see eth0 and eth1 are BCOM nics (the two that should be bonded) but later on, only eth1 and eth2 exist. What could explain this? |
| 17:19.08 | Pheagator | even with misconfigured ip. |
| 17:19.08 | moos3 | Pheagator: they are connected |
| 17:19.22 | wols | bwlang: udev |
| 17:19.23 | Pheagator | moos3: are the interfaces up? |
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| 17:19.26 | cusco | Im going to try and follow this explanation - http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298 - to try and configure a debian box with two internet connections |
| 17:19.27 | ukatan | I was thinking the same thing Pheagator, wasn't sure if I should chime in |
| 17:19.27 | wols | !tlel bwlang about z25 |
| 17:19.29 | cusco | can some one just have a look and tell me what $P1_NET is? "IP network" |
| 17:19.32 | woodgrain | wols, that's a big help. I can now see all the partitions on the new disk. |
| 17:19.40 | Pheagator | moos3: check the switch. |
| 17:19.40 | woodgrain | wols, do I have to mount it or is it mounted ? |
| 17:19.43 | moos3 | Pheagator: yeah they are up heres my config |
| 17:19.44 | moos3 | http://dpaste.com/60389/ |
| 17:19.48 | chops | Are there any bad effects to adding a second user with a 0 UID to a Debian system? |
| 17:19.55 | wols | woodgrain: you need to mount them. actually you need to edit your /etc/fstab |
| 17:19.57 | moos3 | I can ping the switches |
| 17:20.08 | wols | chops: not really bad but vrey vrey stupid |
| 17:20.14 | Pheagator | moos3: so why do you think there's something wrong? |
| 17:20.15 | wols | so yes, bad in a way |
| 17:20.16 | woodgrain | wols, this is coming back to me I'll try it out |
| 17:20.24 | chops | BackupExec seems to want a root user to use for backups, and I'd prefer to give it a password that isn't the root password for the system, so my thought is to create a second UID-0 user. |
| 17:20.26 | Pheagator | moos3: check routing tables. |
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| 17:20.35 | chops | wols: You think it's a bad idea? |
| 17:20.38 | moos3 | eth0 in dmesg says something about driver sd needs up dateing |
| 17:20.38 | wols | chops: will not work |
| 17:20.57 | Pheagator | moos3: if you can ping some other machine it's not a driver problem i would say. |
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| 17:21.03 | wols | chops: if you give it the real root password or another UID0 user's password is EXACTLY the same. use sudo |
| 17:21.16 | Pheagator | hm. |
| 17:21.21 | cusco | chops: you can either use a chroot environment or sudo. you can restrict sudo to specific commands |
| 17:21.23 | moos3 | Pheagator: because we can't access this server and its taken down our voip sip trunk that is controlled by this server |
| 17:21.30 | chops | wols: I know that the effect right now is identical. I just want to be able to revoke its access later without changing the system's root password. |
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| 17:21.34 | wols | chops: if a user is UID0 the name is irrelevant. that user IS root |
| 17:21.40 | batcoder-7 | wols: im doing it now, so i gotta reocmpile my kernel wols ? |
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| 17:21.43 | moos3 | the server can't ping a thing |
| 17:21.43 | wols | chops: sudo |
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| 17:21.48 | wols | how often do I have to repeat it? |
| 17:21.56 | wols | batcoder-7: no |
| 17:22.22 | batcoder-7 | m-a prepare |
| 17:22.23 | wols | moos3: I asked you something |
| 17:22.28 | batcoder-7 | is what im doing now |
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| 17:22.46 | moos3 | wols: typing it out |
| 17:22.52 | wols | moos3: don't |
| 17:22.57 | wols | !pastebin |
| 17:22.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 17:23.00 | moos3 | wols: k |
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| 17:23.13 | moos3 | yeah I know i use dpaste |
| 17:23.25 | Master9 | how do i install an isa NIC |
| 17:24.00 | abrotman | carefully |
| 17:24.01 | Pheagator | moos3: do you receive "operation not permitted" while trying to ping something? |
| 17:24.07 | chops | Master9: I recall isapnp being useful, as well as specifying ports and interrupts and such by hand when loading the module. It's been a while. Where are you at right now? |
| 17:24.30 | Master9 | chops: im holding the card in my hands |
| 17:25.00 | woodgrain | wols, if I pulled this other HD out of another computer, is there anything forcing the mount points to stay the same? |
| 17:25.12 | wols | woodgrain: no |
| 17:25.14 | woodgrain | wols, can I change the old /home to /dingleberry? |
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| 17:25.38 | wols | moos3: what chip, what I/O port, what iRQ? |
| 17:25.43 | chops | Master9: Check out the docs for isapnp. IIRC you can put the card in your machine, run isapnp, and it'll give you some information that may be used to load the kernel module, at which point it'll start working. Read the docs for a refresher though. |
| 17:25.46 | wols | woodgrain: yes |
| 17:26.02 | wols | chops: IF it's pnp capable |
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| 17:26.13 | chops | Master9: Or if you know the port and interrupt (based on the docs that came with the card or whatever), you can specify those when loading the driver module. |
| 17:26.16 | chops | wols: True |
| 17:26.43 | vvd | hey, a little OT, anyone knows how the quality of a wlan is being measured? beacons/s received? |
| 17:26.48 | wols | Master9: what chip, what I/O port, what iRQ? |
| 17:26.51 | batcoder-7 | wols: i got it all done |
| 17:26.57 | Master9 | chops: i can physicall install it np, its virtually im worried about, ill give it a whirl, its a common card, 3com etherlink 3 |
| 17:27.07 | batcoder-7 | wols: the problem was i was looking at an ubuntu guide and yea not exatly the same way of going about it |
| 17:27.12 | Master9 | wols: im about to install it |
| 17:27.13 | woodgrain | wols, if the drive I'm adding was bootable, what prevents it from booting to the wrong partition when I mount it |
| 17:27.18 | Master9 | physically |
| 17:27.23 | wols | woodgrain: BIOS boot order |
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| 17:27.34 | wols | BIOS determins what gets tried first |
| 17:27.50 | wols | and mounting never influences that |
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| 17:28.10 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
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| 17:28.59 | abrotman | wonders who karmatronic is talking to |
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| 17:29.12 | wols | abrotman: not us two that's for sure |
| 17:29.13 | batcoder-7 | once i install something with ndiswrapper and everything is present and good |
| 17:29.13 | streuner | thought the same |
| 17:29.13 | moos3 | wols: here you go http://dpaste.com/60392/ |
| 17:29.19 | karmatronic | is talking to you abrotman |
| 17:29.20 | batcoder-7 | so i have to do it just once or on every booot ? |
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| 17:29.39 | bc | if I set up the virtual interface eth0:0 with a different IP from eth0, will it respond to requests as eth0's IP or eth0:0's IP if requests are made to eth0:0's IP? |
| 17:29.41 | moos3 | Pheagator: i get desination not found |
| 17:29.44 | streuner | karmatronic: no, buddies is plural :-) |
| 17:29.58 | chops | bc: eth0:0's IP I believe |
| 17:29.58 | moos3 | or i get unknown host |
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| 17:30.14 | karmatronic | allright,/me is talking to streuner too :) |
| 17:30.27 | wols | moos3: set your DNS up properly? |
| 17:30.35 | abrotman | bc: shuld be the alias |
| 17:30.49 | moos3 | yeah its set right |
| 17:31.04 | batcoder-7 | when i add something via ndiswrapper etc what is the best way to now make the network card an interface write it manually or what ? |
| 17:31.25 | wols | batcoder-7: just curious, what wlan chip? |
| 17:31.26 | streuner | karmatronic: hehe |
| 17:31.35 | Pheagator | moos3: have you checked whether you've 192.168.1.0/24 in ip route output? |
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| 17:31.38 | wols | and what kernel version? |
| 17:31.48 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: ? |
| 17:32.17 | Award | Does anyone know of a hardware solution (print server) that translates for GDI printers? (I got a great price on a Sharp heavy-duty copier/printer, but I may return it since it's GDI with no known linux driver) |
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| 17:32.26 | batcoder-7 | wols: a dlink usb adapter |
| 17:32.37 | wols | batcoder-7: doesn't answer the question |
| 17:32.37 | streuner | batcoder-7: add something to ndiswrapper? |
| 17:32.39 | \amethyst | Award: does a Windows box count as a 'hardware solution' ? |
| 17:32.55 | batcoder-7 | wols: i dont get what your asking for ? |
| 17:32.59 | moos3 | Pheagator: no, i'm trying to remember how, I haven't touch linux in about 6 months |
| 17:33.04 | Award | amethyst: Well, the windows box won't help much since you'd still need a driver on the linux side to talk to the "shared" printer. |
| 17:33.14 | wols | batcoder-7: the chip that is inside that dlink that does all the work |
| 17:33.25 | Award | amethyst: Technically it WILL be connected to the vista box, but I'd like the linux boxes to print through it. |
| 17:33.29 | streuner | bites into the desk, this hub is so slow, me needs a switch... |
| 17:33.42 | batcoder-7 | streuner: i jus installed a wireless usb apater via ndiswrapper, now i got to make it a interface or something |
| 17:33.45 | bwlang | !tell bwlang about z25 |
| 17:33.48 | \amethyst | Award: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=589546 |
| 17:33.52 | Pheagator | moos3: it's just ip route, or route if you don't use iproute2. |
| 17:33.53 | batcoder-7 | wols: hmm not sure |
| 17:33.57 | Award | amethyst: Then again, my last "linux printer" (Samsung ML1710) never worked right in linux, I'd have to reconnect the USB cable between print jobs. |
| 17:34.06 | Pheagator | moos3: but Debian's network scripts should add this route for you. |
| 17:34.23 | wols | Award: recently installed a ML2030. works fine |
| 17:34.39 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: when you modprobe ndiswrapper, a new interface should show up |
| 17:34.41 | moos3 | Pheagator: yeah i'm on that ip route |
| 17:34.42 | chops | wols: It looks like sudo isn't an option here; BackupExec insists on authenticating incoming requests against the system password DB. It requires you to give a UID-0 account credentials to the centralized server for each machine that's being backed up. |
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| 17:34.45 | streuner | batcoder-7: there is some tool for ndiswrapper |
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| 17:35.11 | wols | chops: shit software |
| 17:35.14 | moos3 | i just inputted a different static ip to make sure no one has it |
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| 17:35.15 | chops | wols: It's particularly asinine since the agent that runs on each machine that's being backed up runs as root already, so it really is _only_ using the account information for authentication. It might as well be drawn from .htpasswd. |
| 17:35.16 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: so modprobe ndiswrapper ; then dmesg to check you revice was found,and if so , ifconfig |
| 17:35.20 | chops | wols: You're not fooling. |
| 17:35.21 | streuner | batcoder-7: some gtk based thingie ;-) |
| 17:35.27 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: i did the mod probe its running , i do not see no new interface though it is a wlan though |
| 17:35.29 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: also iwconfig to set wireless paramteres |
| 17:35.50 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: and what output dmesg gave you ? |
| 17:35.51 | Award | wols: I think it may have been a usbfs issue at the time, but the point is I didn't have a truly working printer in linux, for whatever reason. |
| 17:35.57 | wols | Award: and the 2010 uses the same splix driver (not in debian etch tho) |
| 17:36.00 | chops | wols: All of the insecurity of daemons running as root, combined with all the insecurity of sharing root credentials across systems, with 0-day vulnerabilities thrown in AT NO EXTRA CHARGE! |
| 17:36.05 | hoarycri1ple | clear |
| 17:36.05 | streuner | !info ndisgtk |
| 17:36.07 | hoarycri1ple | fclear |
| 17:36.15 | wols | Award: if you still have the printer, you can use it if you backport splix |
| 17:36.34 | chops | wols: Right, so here I go making a UID-0 account :-/ |
| 17:36.36 | bc | abrotman: I don't think I'm going to be able to do this because the gw isn't alive yet, so I can't add any route to it. grumble. |
| 17:36.43 | wols | chops: good luck |
| 17:36.49 | chops | wols: Thanks :-( |
| 17:37.03 | Award | \amethyst, Thanks for the info, that article looks interesting. I'd prefer keeping the Sharp (AL-2030)...the thing is tank-like for a small printer. The next printer I'd be able to do that does what I need is the Brother 7820, but it has page curl and jam issues supposedly despite being generally liked. |
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| 17:37.12 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: dmesg says its there wlan0 etc supported encyption etc etc |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | bc: you can add the route .. not going much of anywhere |
| 17:37.18 | Award | \amethyst, those sharps are supposedly almost as bullet-proof as the big ones :) |
| 17:37.24 | chops | I recently demoted this job from "my job" to "my day job", BTW :-) |
| 17:37.30 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: so ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 17:37.31 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: ifconfig doesnt say anything about it though :( |
| 17:37.33 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 17:37.38 | dpkg | ndisgtk: (graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
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| 17:37.44 | wols | batcoder-7: ifconfig -a |
| 17:37.44 | Award | \amethyst, and the footprint and weight demonstrate that likelihood....a 40lb tabletop monocrhome printer that doesn't even double as a scanner :) |
| 17:37.45 | bc | abrotman: i don't understand what you wrote, can you clarify? |
| 17:37.48 | streuner | batcoder-7: is there no driver for that device? |
| 17:38.01 | Award | wols: I don't plan on getting rid of the 1710, it's a cute little printer. |
| 17:38.02 | batcoder-7 | its in the ifconfig now karmatronic |
| 17:38.04 | wols | streuner: he refuses to answer. I already asked |
| 17:38.08 | abrotman | bc: you can add the route now .. it just won't actually go anywhere .. |
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| 17:38.28 | abrotman | did you get his debian version ? |
| 17:38.32 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: ok now up to you to configure ip settings through ifconfig or wireless settings with iwconfig |
| 17:38.33 | streuner | (because if you have a driver, there is mostly a REAME or HOWTO to install...) |
| 17:38.38 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: now the fun part getting it to connect and connect over wpa2 |
| 17:38.45 | streuner | wols: ok |
| 17:38.46 | wols | streuner: he uses ndiswrapper... |
| 17:38.50 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: you ll need wpa_supplicant to then |
| 17:38.59 | batcoder-7 | (jus installed that) |
| 17:39.01 | wols | streuner: all I know is it's Dlink usb |
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| 17:39.04 | streuner | i know, but ndiswrapper is crap |
| 17:39.13 | bc | abrotman: when trying to establish the route, I then get: 'SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable' |
| 17:39.18 | wols | streuner: of course. but this is batcoder-7 we talk about. what do you expect? |
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| 17:39.27 | scatterp | i have some kind of issue with my wireless for some reason i cant connect to my ap when issue iwconfig i see my ap put power levels are all 0 |
| 17:39.35 | karmatronic | wols: well he did the worse part |
| 17:39.39 | streuner | wols: i expect an exact answer, otherwise we can't help |
| 17:39.48 | moos3 | is there a way to roll back from a dist-upgrade |
| 17:39.54 | hoxu | moos3, no |
| 17:39.57 | wols | streuner: damn, are you naive :P |
| 17:39.59 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 17:39.59 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 17:40.04 | karmatronic | moos3: yeah.reinstall! |
| 17:40.06 | batcoder-7 | i apologize for the questions but i have never done this ndis stuff before |
| 17:40.07 | streuner | wols: no, realistic ;-) |
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| 17:40.22 | wols | batcoder-7: unless you answer us you will be on your own |
| 17:40.28 | Pheagator | moos3: if you have a raid1, and split the mirrors before update, it could be possible ;] |
| 17:40.30 | wols | batcoder-7: we need info to be able to help |
| 17:40.50 | moos3 | lol yeah network still dead in the water |
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| 17:40.55 | wols | ever since streuner broke that crytal ball.... |
| 17:41.15 | streuner | wols: its all YOUR fault! |
| 17:41.24 | wols | that's not true! |
| 17:41.30 | batcoder-7 | wols: answer what i almost got it setting up the wpa_supplicant config now |
| 17:41.33 | karmatronic | batcoder-7: google for wpa_supplicant... |
| 17:41.53 | Master9 | isapnp not found |
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| 17:42.12 | wols | !tell Master9 about installit |
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| 17:42.48 | chops | Hm... isapnp isn't in etch... perhaps it's long dead now... |
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| 17:42.56 | streuner | sure |
| 17:43.02 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: yes im getting the key right now |
| 17:43.03 | streuner | who is using isa anyway... |
| 17:43.08 | Master9 | me |
| 17:43.09 | wols | Master9 is |
| 17:43.14 | Bushmills | moos3: should you use by sheer accident or premonition the nilfs2 file system, you could roll back. |
| 17:43.24 | wols | Master9: the "why" is a bit baffling tho :) |
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| 17:43.30 | moos3 | thx |
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| 17:43.45 | Master9 | the only ethernet cards i have laying around are isa |
| 17:43.50 | chops | Master9: Can you find the port and IRQ in the hardware documentation? |
| 17:44.00 | Master9 | thats long gone |
| 17:44.08 | chops | Master9: Can you find it on the web? |
| 17:44.16 | wols | Master9: google |
| 17:44.18 | Master9 | the card is PNP |
| 17:44.24 | zophy | when evolution is scanning remote imap folders is it downloading an index or is it retrieving the actual mail ? |
| 17:44.43 | chops | has "fond" memories of the router at his first sysadmin job, which was a 486 with three ISA network cards |
| 17:44.48 | streuner | Master9: what kind of device is that? |
| 17:44.58 | AlteKiet | wols: chops: the fsck on the remounted (ro) root partition worked great! thanks. (init 1 -> remount -> e2fsck) |
| 17:45.06 | moos3 | well i have narrowed it down to the box itself, because the switch i working becuase i'm now connected to it using the jacks for the server |
| 17:45.10 | chops | AlteKiet: np. Was the filesystem modified? |
| 17:45.15 | Master9 | streuner: 3com etherlink III Ethernet NIC |
| 17:45.34 | AlteKiet | corrected orphaned inodes |
| 17:45.37 | streuner | Master9: very good devices, but do you have a PCI slot free? |
| 17:46.26 | chops | AlteKiet: In that case you should definitely reboot before starting to use that FS again |
| 17:46.26 | Master9 | streuner: yeah |
| 17:46.34 | streuner | Master9: so just buy another NIC, they are cheap nowadays |
| 17:46.46 | chops | AlteKiet: When the FS gets modified underneath the kernel, there's no attempt made to keep the kernel's in-memory data structures consistent with the modifications. If you continue trying to use the FS, the kernel may get confused, in which case very bad things (TM) will happen to your data. |
| 17:46.46 | batcoder-7 | karmatronic: when do i start the wpa_supplicant, in the interface file ? or some other time ? |
| 17:46.51 | Master9 | streuner: flat broke |
| 17:47.14 | moos3 | m |
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| 17:47.57 | Eulex | Master9, at least where I live, cheap NICs come for as little as what amounts to $15 |
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| 17:48.34 | Master9 | Eulex: i have to use what i have, i have no money and no means of getting any |
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| 17:50.41 | chops | Hooray! Veritas provides only 32-bit RPMs for the BackupExec agent. I am preparing to install the 32-bit .debs that I generated on my 32-bit server on my 64-bit server using --force-architecture (an option I'd never even really considered using before...) |
| 17:50.50 | oh_so_ethical | Sorry for asking such a stupid question... when you first login to a server, what's the text that is displayed that says "Licensed under GNU/... " etc etc |
| 17:50.55 | oh_so_ethical | What file is that, and where is it? |
| 17:50.57 | wols | a NIC costs chops chroot! |
| 17:51.14 | batcoder-7 | i odnt have a wpa_supplicant file in my /etc/default/wpasupplicant |
| 17:51.14 | liable | mmm, lamb chops |
| 17:51.18 | batcoder-7 | can i just make one ? |
| 17:51.18 | wols | chops: why are you using this piece of crapware in the first place? |
| 17:51.23 | valdyn | oh_so_ethical: see /etc/motd* /etc/issue and /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 17:51.39 | chops | wols: Because my boss is graciously saving me from the gross inconvenience of using tar. |
| 17:51.48 | chops | wols: Nice of him, don't you think? |
| 17:52.02 | wols | and what is wrong with things like amanda? |
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| 17:52.21 | oh_so_ethical | valdyn, thanks |
| 17:52.47 | chops | wols: They're not managed by our outsourced IT contractors (see also "nonstandard"). |
| 17:52.58 | wols | chops: at least your shit is aptly named. only an Exec could be so technically braindead as this veritas shite :) |
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| 17:53.22 | chops | wols: It makes some amount of sense -- I've mentioned that I'm unhappy here, and so they're trying to move to solutions that can be easily maintained by third parties, of which they have some idea that BackupExec is one. |
| 17:53.25 | wols | if it's managed by them why don't THEY install it but you? |
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| 17:53.40 | chops | wols: Because I manage the Linux servers (which is one thing I definitely do _not_ want to change). |
| 17:54.02 | chops | wols: I shudder to think what would happen if someone from there were poking around with root privileges trying to install this stuff right now. |
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| 17:54.18 | wols | !blane "ebterprise" software |
| 17:54.29 | wols | not to mention veritas is owned by symantec |
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| 17:54.38 | wols | chops: which explains an awful lot |
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| 17:54.44 | chops | wols: Yes |
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| 17:54.57 | scatterp | i have some kind of issue with my wireless for some reason i cant connect to my ap when issue iwconfig i see my ap put power levels are all 0 |
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| 17:55.04 | wols | scatterp: not associated? |
| 17:55.06 | vladi_ | hi, does anyone know of a good apache log analizer that is console based and easy to generate daily emails from? |
| 17:55.16 | scatterp | wols yes not associated |
| 17:55.17 | chops | wols: I honestly did not expect that they would be able to cock it up this badly. |
| 17:55.23 | wols | scatterp: that's the problem |
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| 17:55.46 | scatterp | wols but i issues iwconfig wlan0 essid My-Linksys |
| 17:56.12 | wols | scatterp: what encryption do you use? |
| 17:56.14 | scatterp | wols, none |
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| 17:56.24 | scatterp | wols, i dont understand why it wont associate |
| 17:56.29 | wols | scatterp: check syslog and dmesg |
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| 17:56.55 | valdyn | scatterp: how do you know its not associated? |
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| 17:57.07 | chops | wols: I think a 32-bit chroot will be necessary, yes (with all of the filesystems it's _actually_ going to back up bind-mounted underneath it... good Christ...) |
| 17:57.12 | ArthurArchnix | On the gnome desktop, I'm looking for a panel applet that gives me info about my current network status. The default applet only gives you mac address. I'd like to be able to point at it and see what I'm connected to. |
| 17:57.13 | scatterp | ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2452MHz) ? |
| 17:57.17 | scatterp | it says that |
| 17:57.21 | scatterp | valdyn, it says its not |
| 17:57.24 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
| 17:57.27 | ArthurArchnix | I don't use network-manager because I hates it... hates it precious. |
| 17:57.30 | wols | chops: awesomeness |
| 17:57.31 | valdyn | scatterp: ath5k is not mature |
| 17:57.34 | chops | wols: The agent needs libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installed, which isn't available on amd64 |
| 17:57.40 | valdyn | scatterp: i would use madwifi |
| 17:57.46 | chops | I'm taking a break for coffee now. |
| 17:57.47 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f42cb9cd5 |
| 17:57.50 | scatterp | thats dmesg |
| 17:58.06 | scatterp | valdyn i dont think madwifi will work with my card |
| 17:58.06 | ArthurArchnix | wpa_supplicant in roaming mode works fine for me, I just want to be notified when and what I'm connected to so I can use wpa_cli to change it if I want. |
| 17:58.07 | wols | scatterp: didn't you say smething about iwl3945? |
| 17:58.17 | scatterp | wols that cards ok |
| 17:58.20 | valdyn | scatterp: they support the same cards? |
| 17:58.33 | scatterp | valdyn, sure ? |
| 17:58.38 | wols | yes we are sure |
| 17:58.40 | valdyn | scatterp: pretty much |
| 17:58.45 | scatterp | valdyn, ok how would i change my driver to that then ? |
| 17:58.53 | valdyn | scatterp: i can naturally not guarantuee anything for specific pci ids |
| 17:59.00 | scatterp | yeah |
| 17:59.07 | scatterp | the driver i have was working thru |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | scatterp: m-a a-i madwifi |
| 17:59.23 | chops | wols: Oh, wait, libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 is part of ia32-libs |
| 17:59.37 | wols | scatterp: and remove ath5k |
| 17:59.40 | chops | --force-architecture it is |
| 17:59.52 | scatterp | it failed to install |
| 17:59.59 | wols | modprobe -r that is |
| 18:00.01 | valdyn | scatterp: you can use modprobe to experiment first, and delete / blacklist whichever later |
| 18:00.04 | wols | !tell scatterp about errors |
| 18:00.21 | valdyn | scatterp: im sure theres an error telling you to basically to install build-essential or run m-a prepare |
| 18:00.29 | wols | valdyn: sure, but loading madwifi wile ath5k is still loaded is bad |
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| 18:00.53 | valdyn | wols: i kind of assumed he would know about modprobe -r or rmmod |
| 18:00.53 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.54 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.09 | wols | valdyn: I thought it too not long ago |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | scatterp: run m-a prepare |
| 18:01.15 | scatterp | but i had this issue previously with this i have enabled extentions |
| 18:01.18 | scatterp | ok ill run it |
| 18:01.50 | scatterp | done and failed on same error |
| 18:02.00 | valdyn | scatterp: m-a prepare had the SAME error? |
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| 18:02.09 | scatterp | no m-a prepare worked |
| 18:02.12 | scatterp | then |
| 18:02.16 | Bit10102 | i got isapnp, idk where to go from here |
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| 18:02.18 | scatterp | m-a a-i madwifi failed |
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| 18:02.35 | valdyn | scatterp: uname -r |
| 18:02.36 | bc | chops, abrotman: I checked the IP header on replies, and it does indeed reply with the IP of the virtual interface eth0:0 |
| 18:02.48 | scatterp | 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 18:04.34 | valdyn | scatterp: apt-get install build-essential, run m-a a-i madwifi again, paste the complete error on a paste site |
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| 18:05.02 | scatterp | build-essential is already the newest version. |
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| 18:05.17 | valdyn | i can see that madwifi does not build against 2.6.26-rcX |
| 18:05.23 | valdyn | but i need your complete error message |
| 18:05.37 | scatterp | valdyn, its in like a gui |
| 18:05.40 | scatterp | it opens a log file |
| 18:05.44 | scatterp | if i could find that log |
| 18:05.51 | wols | scatterp: grep /boot/config* WIRELESS_EXT |
| 18:05.53 | scatterp | i can paste you it do you know where that log would be |
| 18:05.55 | scatterp | ok looking |
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| 18:06.53 | scatterp | wols, not found |
| 18:07.00 | valdyn | scatterp: /var/cache/modass/madwifi-source*buildlog* |
| 18:07.06 | rwaite | omg is it friday yet! |
| 18:07.12 | rwaite | work < * |
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| 18:07.24 | wols | scatterp: where did you get your kernel? the /boot/config file for your kernel exists thO? |
| 18:07.40 | valdyn | im pretty sure madwifi does build against 2.6.24 however |
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| 18:08.07 | wols | valdyn: but if he has no wireless extensions it's kinda iffy |
| 18:08.17 | wols | which I can't believe with debian kernels |
| 18:08.25 | valdyn | right |
| 18:08.40 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f1c74ee14 |
| 18:08.59 | deadcat | firefox3 is hella slow on my computer. i dont know if its just my computer. P3 800mhz with loads of ram |
| 18:09.18 | scatterp | madwifi seems like a long job to get it working maybe we could use my existing driver or maybe madwifi is already installed ? |
| 18:09.27 | wols | scatterp: neither |
| 18:09.30 | valdyn | 2.6.24-7~bpo40+1 |
| 18:09.41 | rwaite | deadcat: hmm. |
| 18:10.22 | scatterp | ./usr/sbin/madwifi-unload |
| 18:10.28 | scatterp | doesnt that indicate its installed ? |
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| 18:11.21 | valdyn | scatterp: you have a kernel from backports.org, 2.6.24 |
| 18:11.27 | scatterp | yes |
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| 18:11.36 | valdyn | scatterp: but your madwifi-source is probably as old as etch is |
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| 18:11.44 | valdyn | scatterp: dpkg -l madwifi-source |
| 18:12.33 | simonrvn | deadcat: odd, should be fine. too many extensions? :P |
| 18:12.47 | scatterp | dpkg -l madwifi-source |
| 18:12.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching madwifi-source |
| 18:12.53 | deadcat | simonrvn: no. just adblock plus and 2 more |
| 18:12.54 | scatterp | oops sorry |
| 18:13.03 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f7bfdec41 |
| 18:13.08 | scatterp | thats the output valdyn |
| 18:13.11 | simonrvn | adblock plus++ |
| 18:13.22 | tyraelx | I've got a remote server with exim. I want to be able to send e-mails throught that remote server from my mail-client. Do I need to set it up as a smarthost for this? |
| 18:13.31 | valdyn | scatterp: does backports.org have madwifi-source? |
| 18:13.42 | simonrvn | deadcat: a lot of tabs, windows, open? |
| 18:13.54 | deadcat | simonrvn: adblock filterset.g updater, adblock plus, flashblock pdf download web developer user agent switcher. thats it |
| 18:14.09 | deadcat | simonrvn: nope. no tabs right now. |
| 18:14.12 | wols | deadcat: web developer is slow |
| 18:14.19 | simonrvn | web dev slows it down a bit, helps to hide the toolbar |
| 18:14.29 | wols | especially if youlet it do validation |
| 18:14.30 | valdyn | hmm, im not sure if madwifi-source will do you any good in itself |
| 18:14.36 | valdyn | hmm, im not sure if madwifi-source from sid will do you any good in itself |
| 18:14.37 | deadcat | its not running though. |
| 18:14.39 | scatterp | valdyn, yes but when i try to install it ... it says madwifi-source is already the newest version. |
| 18:14.49 | valdyn | scatterp: backports.org has nothing madwifi |
| 18:15.02 | deadcat | but playmp3list and xulrunner-stub is juicing up my CPU... |
| 18:15.14 | valdyn | scatterp: you can *try* installing the sid package, see http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:15.32 | valdyn | scatterp: worst case it wont install, nothing lost |
| 18:15.50 | simonrvn | deadcat: that would interfere... heh |
| 18:16.05 | deadcat | simonrvn: whats xulrunner-stub? |
| 18:16.13 | scatterp | valdyn, i already have sid there its same version as i have i think |
| 18:16.24 | simonrvn | some backend stuff for mozilla's XUL stuff |
| 18:16.32 | deadcat | ah. |
| 18:16.34 | wols | valdyn: backporting it should work |
| 18:16.40 | deadcat | let me kill it |
| 18:16.41 | simonrvn | some script probably invoked it |
| 18:16.44 | scatterp | im going to try rebooting |
| 18:16.47 | valdyn | scatterp: no, sids is 0.9.4~rc2-1 |
| 18:16.48 | scatterp | i think it might be simpler |
| 18:17.00 | scatterp | this only started due to a screen saver starting |
| 18:17.04 | scatterp | from what i can figure out |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn | scatterp: sure , we dont know your error yet, just said that ath5k is not mature, which is still true |
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| 18:17.43 | scatterp | brb |
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| 18:20.36 | yigal | Is there a way for etch to use the latest gcc? |
| 18:20.42 | yigal | an easy way? |
| 18:20.48 | chops | !tell yigal about ssb |
| 18:20.50 | valdyn | yigal: for what purpose? |
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| 18:21.06 | yigal | valdyn: for numerical computations |
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| 18:21.34 | Eulex | yigal, backport it. as dpkg told you about. |
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| 18:21.58 | valdyn | yigal: that got to be alot of computations considering compiling gcc takes hours probably |
| 18:22.01 | doubletwist | Is there any reason why the debian install CD would hang at "GRUB" [before actually loading grub] on a machine with 128GB of RAM? |
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| 18:22.19 | doubletwist | I tried both the business card ISO and the regular CD1 iso... |
| 18:22.32 | Eulex | 128GB? you got a supercomputer? :> |
| 18:22.36 | doubletwist | Hehe no |
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| 18:22.43 | doubletwist | Though it's pretty sweet |
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| 18:22.49 | deadcat | linuxworldexpo is coming up soon. i bet its gonna suck again this year. |
| 18:22.50 | valdyn | doubletwist: the install cd uses grub? |
| 18:22.52 | scatterp | it worked |
| 18:22.54 | scatterp | :) |
| 18:22.54 | yigal | valdyn: that's why it is nice to install a package rather than build my own |
| 18:23.02 | scatterp | any idea why screensaver would cause that? |
| 18:23.02 | valdyn | yigal: /nod |
| 18:23.08 | chops | doubletwist: Sounds like you should try the latest snapshot installer build, and report a bug if the problem still occurs |
| 18:23.09 | scatterp | is there a way to disable the screen saver? |
| 18:23.12 | Eulex | doubletwist, well, the problem has nothing to do with the amount of ram, at least |
| 18:23.13 | doubletwist | valdyn: I think so... hrm... maybe not... |
| 18:23.21 | valdyn | yigal: i would set up a debian lenny or sid chroot |
| 18:23.22 | chops | Eulex: Why do you assert that? |
| 18:23.30 | doubletwist | I wonder if it's skipping the CD and trying to load an OS off the drive... I hadn't considered that [duh] |
| 18:24.03 | valdyn | doubletwist: common cpu do not support that much ram |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn | doubletwist: err, nm |
| 18:24.21 | valdyn | doubletwist: its not using grub |
| 18:24.27 | doubletwist | valdyn: This is a SUN X4450 [4 sockets x Quad-core Xeon] |
| 18:24.28 | valdyn | doubletwist: got to be one of you disks |
| 18:24.48 | valdyn | doubletwist: ah no idea |
| 18:25.02 | doubletwist | I'm doublechecking that it's trying to boot from the CD and not the disk... |
| 18:25.11 | doubletwist | Takes awhle to post with that much ram though... :( |
| 18:25.16 | yigal | valdyn: I've been using lenny, but it would be nice to use the officially stable version of debian if at all possible, so I'm asking about things I will absolutely need |
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| 18:26.22 | yigal | valdyn: in making the switch |
| 18:27.03 | valdyn | yigal: using an unstable compiler negates many of etch qualities |
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| 18:27.56 | yigal | valdyn: the idea would be to have both etch and lenny's compilers available, using etch's for the guts, and lenny's for numerics |
| 18:28.19 | valdyn | yigal: simple sid backport then |
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| 18:28.29 | wuxia | what's the debian way to fix a stuck pixel? |
| 18:28.31 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 18:28.32 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile> |
| 18:28.47 | valdyn | yigal: replace sid with lenny if you wanted that.. |
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| 18:29.11 | Dantix | I all, I'm experiencing a serious performance problem with my mail server box, courier-pop daemon lasts too much to read the cur folder whe it have 100 or more messages/files, are ther anything that I could do from the operating system to get better file access? |
| 18:29.12 | MyNick1 | helo...i already configured my adress and netmask at ifconfig..how to set gateway? |
| 18:29.23 | yigal | valdyn: I would be able to have both compilers with a chroot, yes? |
| 18:29.36 | yigal | valdyn: excuse me without not with a chroot |
| 18:29.38 | s4br3 | wuxia: hit the monitor? |
| 18:29.41 | valdyn | Dantix: look at the dir_index mount option |
| 18:29.46 | chops | yigal: In general yes |
| 18:29.56 | valdyn | Dantix: ( mkfs.ext3 manpage probably ) |
| 18:30.11 | Dantix | valdyn: good, thanks |
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| 18:30.27 | scatterp | i am trying to access this vnc server page http://84.195.41.62:5800/ with iceweasal it says that i have to install java i tryed to install the thing via the windows that poped up no luck can some one give me some advice |
| 18:30.38 | yigal | chops: I know I have a 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3 on my lenny box right now, are there any complications? |
| 18:30.43 | valdyn | Dantix: theres filesystems that are much better than ext3 on dealing with this type of files |
| 18:30.55 | MyNick1 | how set gateway ? |
| 18:30.57 | deadcat | i am currently using playmp3list to play my mp3s. but lately its been using alot of CPU.. and the latest version crashes on me. (using the old stable version) what should i try? cplay kinna sucks. |
| 18:30.58 | valdyn | Dantix: hugely better - but you dont just want to switch that |
| 18:31.14 | MyNick1 | ; /n |
| 18:31.16 | Dantix | valdyn: give me a clue, please |
| 18:31.31 | yigal | chops: I mean, yes, I realize the binaries can exist, it's the symlink gcc --> gcc4.x that matters right? |
| 18:31.37 | yigal | chops: and a few other details |
| 18:31.44 | valdyn | Dantix: reiser4 is hugely better, you dont want it without serious testing |
| 18:31.56 | valdyn | Dantix: i DO NOT recommend it |
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| 18:32.10 | Dantix | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:32.16 | ozzzi | how set gateway at ifconfig? |
| 18:32.28 | valdyn | Dantix: read up on dir_index .. it does not give instant benefit |
| 18:33.21 | ozzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.21 | ozzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.21 | ozzzi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.43 | Dantix | valdyn: I'm googling, I don't found nothing on man |
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| 18:34.18 | ozzzi | sorry |
| 18:34.55 | chops | Dantix: You do _not_ want to use reiser in general. Many people experience data loss with it. |
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| 18:35.12 | asg | chops: some even experience life loss |
| 18:35.19 | valdyn | chops: dont throw reiserfs and reiser4 into one basket like everyone |
| 18:35.25 | Dantix | chops: ok, I understand |
| 18:35.26 | chops | asg: Ouch. Too soon. |
| 18:35.27 | xsdg | asg: "oh, snap!" |
| 18:35.37 | chops | valdyn: Is Reiser4 decent then? |
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| 18:35.51 | valdyn | reiserfs is ok right now, but theres no reason to use it over ext3 |
| 18:35.51 | xsdg | chops: no, wasn't he convicted already? |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | its not dangerous or anything, its just got nothing over ext3 |
| 18:36.26 | valdyn | reiser4 is hugely better performance wise and its very dangerous |
| 18:36.38 | xsdg | valdyn: I've had serious issues with reiser3 |
| 18:36.44 | tyraelx | I've got main_tls on, but how do I allow connections from any address? (exim) |
| 18:36.51 | valdyn | xsdg: ive had serious issues with all of them |
| 18:36.51 | xsdg | (not actual data loss, but serious nonetheless) |
| 18:37.47 | chops | valdyn: Wait -- Reiser4 is not in stock kernels, right? |
| 18:37.48 | doubletwist | valdyn: Bah you were right. It wasn't hitting the CD for some reason. It's installing now... |
| 18:37.51 | doubletwist | thanks |
| 18:37.56 | valdyn | chops: yea |
| 18:38.07 | xsdg | valdyn: well, I had a filesystem which got uncleanly unmounted, and then I was unable to read from it at all until it did some sort of lengthy tree maintenance/recovery |
| 18:38.08 | valdyn | chops: its not recommendable, i wrote that in CAP |
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| 18:38.21 | xsdg | valdyn: that's the only damaged filesystem I've been unable to even mount read-only |
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| 18:41.06 | valdyn | Dantix: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/521 |
| 18:41.24 | s4br3 | After many weeks without sound my sound worked yesterday! Yoohoo! So, I set up a LAN playing ETQW demo. After that turned off the computer and restarted it half an hour ago. The sound is gone, again... :( Please, i can see no pattern in this and don't know where to start digging . I used to have sound working for some users, but now at least three don't have it. An on-line guide would be ideal! |
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| 18:41.34 | Bardamu | Hello |
| 18:41.47 | valdyn | !alsa checklist |
| 18:41.47 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 18:42.08 | valdyn | s4br3: dont use etqw to see if you get sound, its quite a problematic program in that regard |
| 18:42.09 | s4br3 | Thanks valdyn! |
| 18:42.35 | Bardamu | i copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/kazehakase/ but i don't have flash even yet |
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| 18:45.59 | scatterp | hi the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap |
| 18:47.53 | troubled | abrotman: hmm, not sure. looks like he is in optional addressing mode again. ill have to ask tim |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | troubled: thank you .. he's been silenced til then .. let us know when he'll behave |
| 18:48.32 | s4br3 | valdyn: How long should the cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp take? It has been running for almost two minutes. |
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| 18:49.36 | troubled | abrotman: aye. not sure what happened though, tim fixed that problem the other week i thought. he doesnt seem to be around today though |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | maybe he reset the config ? |
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| 18:50.06 | s4br3 | Need to log out |
| 18:50.06 | troubled | abrotman: no idea, he generally doesnt tell/ask me when he messes around :) |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | troubled: got it .. okay |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | troubled: just let us know .. thakns |
| 18:50.28 | troubled | np, ill be sure to ask |
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| 18:58.47 | scatterp_ | hi the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap |
| 18:58.52 | scatterp_ | sorry if you replyed and i missed it |
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| 19:00.50 | troubled | abrotman: curious, is it just "how are you?" that its replying to? only see the one issue |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | troubled: no idea .. |
| 19:01.45 | troubled | its not replying to "thanks" or "hello" or "<factoid>?" which is odd |
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| 19:06.47 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me if aes 128 is breakable? |
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| 19:09.24 | Bushmills | n3kl: afaik, massive parallel brute-forcing is successful with keys > 256 bits already |
| 19:09.59 | Bushmills | matter of a few months. probably weeks soon |
| 19:10.00 | n3kl | Bushmills: So what do I need to use that has not been broken? |
| 19:10.08 | xingu | n3kl: also, a lot of applications that use aes128 are vulnerable to rainbow attacks |
| 19:10.55 | n3kl | xingu: do you know what software is being used to break that aes128? |
| 19:10.59 | Bushmills | beyond 512 bits keys should be the minimum, better 1024 bits and longer keys. |
| 19:11.25 | xingu | n3kl: everything from CLR through python ;) |
| 19:11.38 | zinx | any recommendations for a packaged webmail app for someone who's too lazy to install them and try them out? :P |
| 19:11.41 | Bushmills | n3kl: not sure about aes128 specically. for >256 keys, dedicated hardware was used |
| 19:11.46 | n3kl | Bushmills: do you know where I can find more information about what is the standard? |
| 19:12.14 | n3kl | xingu: clr? You are saying that these are all just homebrew apps, nothing public? |
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| 19:12.25 | Bushmills | n3kl: no, not really. i'm only watching those things out of curiosity, and don't have a lib of links handy |
| 19:12.35 | xingu | n3kl: seriously though, you need a rotating, salted cipher whatever crypto engine you use. |
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| 19:12.41 | n3kl | Bushmills: meh |
| 19:12.47 | xingu | n3kl: yes, homebrew abounds. |
| 19:13.13 | n3kl | luks would be considered the crypto engine, right? |
| 19:13.14 | bwlang | zinx: i like horde and imp |
| 19:13.42 | xingu | s/engine/algorithm/ I guess |
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| 19:14.14 | Bushmills | zinx: squirrel is quite easy to setup, almost fire-and-forget, but i think it had one security issue end of last year |
| 19:14.49 | Bushmills | zinx: there is another presumably easy one which i wanted to look at but forgot its name again ... |
| 19:14.56 | zinx | roundcube? |
| 19:14.58 | n3kl | Bushmills: xingu: thanks! |
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| 19:15.01 | Bushmills | squirrel i do run, however |
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| 19:15.17 | n3kl | I have heard phpgroupware is really nice. Might be overkill |
| 19:15.28 | wols | Bushmills: squrrel had lots of issues over its lifetime |
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| 19:16.09 | xingu | n3kl: http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/aesq&a.htm: 16: 149t years on hw that can _retrieve_ a DES key per second. |
| 19:16.17 | Bushmills | wols: yeah, but it seemed to have slowed down now |
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| 19:16.43 | kombi | how do you configure top? |
| 19:16.53 | xingu | n3kl: but GREAT BIG SCREAMING WARNINGS - as I said, many _applications_ that use aes (of whatever length) are vulnerable to rainbow attacks, which will reduce that time to seconds if you can discover the salt. |
| 19:16.59 | bauermann | hi, I just upgraded to latest unstable and now KArm (time tracker) reports an idle desktop everytime I leave it for one minute. anyone else seen this? |
| 19:16.59 | Bushmills | kombi: you pass cute little strings, called "command line parameters" |
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| 19:17.41 | kombi | Bushmills: someone changed the look of this one completely, even if you just type top with no parms.. |
| 19:17.45 | xingu | n3kl: hence, rotating key, and per-context (nonshared) salts are a real good idea |
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| 19:18.11 | Bushmills | kombi, or permanently put your settings in a .toprc file |
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| 19:18.45 | kombi | Bushmills: that must be it! thanks.. |
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| 19:18.59 | Bushmills | kombi: should be explained in the top man page |
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| 19:19.53 | kombi | Bushmills: I did check that (to my defense), it is just a bit long.. |
| 19:20.10 | Bushmills | grep for FILES |
| 19:20.22 | Bushmills | usually config files are mentioned in that section |
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| 19:21.45 | Pavlz | hello |
| 19:21.49 | Tecumseh | hi there, I have a small question. I'm currently doing a debootstrap installation of lenny and I run into a little problem with the tzconfig. The system claims that tzconfig is not to be found. Is there something wrong with the tzdata package in lenny? |
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| 19:22.13 | simonrvn | Tecumseh: please change your nick. |
| 19:22.18 | Tecumseh | why? |
| 19:22.31 | \amethyst | Tecumseh: tzconfig no longer exists |
| 19:22.36 | Pavlz | i would to buy a router ADSL + WI-FI i saw the netgear dg834g |
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| 19:22.53 | Tecumseh | simonrvn: why should I change my nickname? |
| 19:22.56 | wols | Pavlz: ##hardware |
| 19:22.57 | simonrvn | Tecumseh: i highly doubt you're a descendent, and i'm sure descenents of Tecumseh would be angry at you |
| 19:23.23 | Tecumseh | The name is not chosen by me, a native indian gave it to me |
| 19:23.24 | doubletwist | Since when is blood relation a requisite for using a *nickname* online? |
| 19:23.26 | Pavlz | but i don't know if i can use via SSH from shell |
| 19:23.31 | Pavlz | Thanks |
| 19:23.39 | MartinLuther | Pavlz: ask netgear, not us |
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| 19:23.54 | MartinLuther | !time |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.07.02 19:23:54, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 19:24.22 | MartinLuther | !tell Tecumseh about tzconfig |
| 19:24.25 | simonrvn | doubletwist: tradition; names aren't just names like tom or bob |
| 19:24.30 | Taime1 | i know i might get nailed for this question.. but is there a centralized location for information about installing codecs, dvd playback, flash etc..? |
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| 19:24.46 | simonrvn | Tecumseh: right. anybody could say that. |
| 19:24.54 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 19:25.04 | Pheagator | Taime1: mplayerhq? ;] |
| 19:25.11 | snacky | tecumseh once borrowed some tools from my ancestors and never returned them. I demand you either compensate my family, or quit using that nick |
| 19:25.17 | doubletwist | simonrvn: I hate to break this to you, but nobody cares what nickname Tecumseh is using online... other than you apparrently. |
| 19:25.19 | MartinLuther | Taime1: not really. well dpkg could be said is centralized |
| 19:25.31 | simonrvn | doubletwist: yes. your point being? |
| 19:25.37 | Taime1 | would ubuntu's guide be failry close? |
| 19:25.39 | chops | Taime1: In general, /msg dpkg multimedia |
| 19:25.41 | [0xDEADBEEF] | Taime1: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 19:25.48 | simonrvn | what, majority rule, might makes right, and all that crap? |
| 19:25.52 | MartinLuther | Taime1: we don't know and dont care. chances are: no |
| 19:25.57 | jelly | simonrvn: it's not relevant to #d? |
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| 19:26.03 | MartinLuther | simonrvn: no. Ops rule makes right |
| 19:26.05 | stoned | #d? |
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| 19:26.27 | xingu | stoned: a tricky key if there ever was one. |
| 19:26.29 | MartinLuther | simonrvn: if you have your own little turf you can enforce the rules there |
| 19:26.33 | stoned | oh |
| 19:26.35 | jelly | simonrvn: had he /nick God or Jesus or whatever, I'd have still shrugged the idiot off |
| 19:26.36 | stoned | its a language |
| 19:26.39 | peterS | on IRC, might doesn't make right, NickServ does |
| 19:26.46 | simonrvn | MartinLuther: welcome to plonkland |
| 19:27.00 | wols | peterS: irc being a dictatorship and all... |
| 19:27.03 | scatterp | can any one help me fix my wifi ? |
| 19:27.30 | [0xDEADBEEF] | !ask |
| 19:27.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:27.31 | scatterp | the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap |
| 19:27.35 | simonrvn | jelly: that's you |
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| 19:27.46 | [0xDEADBEEF] | heh |
| 19:28.02 | wols | !tell scatterp about ralink |
| 19:28.04 | stoned | !d |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | hmm... d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet, or not a substitute for "the". |
| 19:28.05 | magyar_ | hi, need to untag "D" in mutt , how can i do that? |
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| 19:28.18 | amphi | magyar_: u |
| 19:28.24 | jelly | stoned: #d <- shorthand for this channel |
| 19:28.29 | stoned | ohhh |
| 19:28.34 | jelly | stoned: compare #d-o |
| 19:28.35 | peterS | stoned: the 'd' is short for 'ubuntu' |
| 19:28.38 | stoned | I thought you meant the d programming language |
| 19:28.41 | magyar_ | amphi, what about for 13000 messages |
| 19:28.49 | Taime1 | i know debian follows a strict policy about free software, but i want to use debian as my primary os, but honestly, i do a lot of things like watch dvds, and listen to mp3s.. so this is why i asked |
| 19:28.50 | scatterp | wols but its already installed as far as i can see |
| 19:28.55 | magyar_ | my finger will break off |
| 19:29.12 | Pheagator | hmm, any idea why mutt depends on exim? |
| 19:29.21 | jelly | Pheagator: it depends on any MTA |
| 19:29.34 | wols | Taime1: debian has those things too, just not part of main. non-free, debian-multimedia.org, contrib, etc |
| 19:29.34 | Pheagator | mhm, but why? I don't want one ;] |
| 19:29.49 | stoned | dpkg no d is D is a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29 |
| 19:29.49 | dpkg | stoned: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:29.50 | peterS | Pheagator: mutt can't send mail without one. that's a significant amount of its functionality |
| 19:29.51 | wols | Pheagator: you have no choice. you actually need one |
| 19:30.13 | stoned | done |
| 19:30.14 | Pheagator | oh, I forgot about it, peterS. |
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| 19:30.18 | stoned | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 19:30.19 | dpkg | no, stupid stoned |
| 19:30.19 | jelly | Pheagator: actually, it just Recommends one, so you can install it without having a MTA using the right options |
| 19:30.25 | peterS | pwned |
| 19:30.25 | wols | stoned: d for the I/O wait thing is MUCH more useful for the topic of this channel |
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| 19:30.31 | stoned | ARH! |
| 19:30.44 | stoned | dpkg d is also uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 19:30.44 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 19:30.48 | stoned | happy? |
| 19:30.50 | stoned | :D |
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| 19:31.03 | stoned | peterS: yeh the bot does that to me, pwnz stoned |
| 19:31.06 | epoxy|w3rk | hm.. anyone know what's up with security.debian.org ? i have been getting dumped off on a lot of dead mirrors when doing apt-get today |
| 19:31.07 | peterS | stoned: when you say :D are you referring to the programming language or the wait state? |
| 19:31.22 | stoned | peterS: I'm doing a stupid head splittin grin! |
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| 19:31.35 | peterS | /nick stone:D |
| 19:31.39 | stoned | haha |
| 19:31.42 | scatterp | wols, i tryed to install again following dpkgs advice i got errors /usr/src/modules/rt2500/rt_config.h:58:40: error: linux/config.h: No â |
| 19:31.43 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.59 | wols | scatterp: you miss kernel headers for your kernel |
| 19:32.07 | amphi | magyar_: "U - undelete messages matching a pattern" perhaps? |
| 19:32.16 | stoned | hey peter when you do the little lol dude, how do you make the legs? i do / and it sends irc command |
| 19:32.18 | Pheagator | *figures out the right options* |
| 19:32.20 | scatterp | wols how do i fix that as far as i know i have kernel headers |
| 19:32.22 | stoned | peterS |
| 19:32.48 | wols | stoned: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 19:32.59 | amphi | / / |
| 19:33.02 | peterS | stoned: I'm special. or rather my irc client is special. it interprets / by itself as shorthand for /SAY |
| 19:33.12 | wols | Pheagator: note what peterS told you |
| 19:33.15 | peterS | stoned: so I just / and then the right number of spaces and then / \ |
| 19:33.26 | magyar_ | amphi, U ~A |
| 19:33.28 | stoned | peterS: i see |
| 19:33.29 | magyar_ | thanks |
| 19:33.30 | scatterp | wols, http://pastebin.com/f478335a0 |
| 19:33.45 | stoned | irssi should have option to make command char start with say a . |
| 19:33.47 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:33.47 | peterS | stoned: though really if there are spaces required, I don't need the initial / |
| 19:34.02 | stoned | well its the initial / that doesnt work for me |
| 19:34.13 | peterS | if it needs to be left-justified then / / \ |
| 19:34.16 | stoned | it sends at irc command obviously |
| 19:34.16 | wols | scatterp: you did use m-a? |
| 19:34.23 | amphi | stoned: / /foo lets you type /foo in irssi |
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| 19:34.25 | stoned | i'll try to bug #irssi see what they can do |
| 19:34.27 | amphi | /foo |
| 19:34.29 | stoned | oh |
| 19:34.30 | stoned | no shit |
| 19:34.32 | scatterp | wols, m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 19:34.33 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:34.37 | stoned | /foo |
| 19:34.45 | stoned | ohhh cool you are the freakin man |
| 19:34.48 | stoned | pins amphi |
| 19:35.10 | peterS | you can be all old school and use the full command /SAY /foo |
| 19:35.12 | amphi | /pon |
| 19:35.31 | Maulkin | wonders how this is on topic. |
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| 19:36.04 | peterS | Maulkin: loldudes in this channel are a one-man tradition going back 4.5 years |
| 19:36.17 | scatterp | wols, i can iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap |
| 19:36.42 | stoned | yeh |
| 19:36.47 | stoned | just look at peter on debstats |
| 19:36.51 | stoned | he got a lol dude picture |
| 19:36.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:37.02 | Bit10102 | i wanna add some ascii art once linux loads, how do i do that?? |
| 19:37.07 | stoned | figlet? |
| 19:37.21 | stoned | Bit10102: generate some text with it, you can also google for online ascii art generator |
| 19:37.21 | abrotman | add to what? |
| 19:37.24 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 19:37.32 | stoned | abrotman: I guess bootsplash? type |
| 19:37.34 | stoned | maybe |
| 19:37.47 | Bit10102 | once everything loads i want to echo some ascii art |
| 19:38.06 | stoned | you mean as the motd message? or the mesage appearing before 'login' is run? |
| 19:38.09 | bhundven | you could use the issues file in /etc |
| 19:38.13 | bhundven | Bit10102 |
| 19:38.13 | stoned | there ya go |
| 19:38.24 | Bit10102 | before login |
| 19:38.29 | bhundven | right |
| 19:38.41 | Bit10102 | /etc/issues |
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| 19:38.43 | Bit10102 | ? |
| 19:38.44 | bhundven | ;) |
| 19:38.56 | Bit10102 | is it a dir or a file? |
| 19:39.04 | stoned | why don't you check it out |
| 19:39.04 | peterS | Bit10102: why don't you look and see |
| 19:39.09 | bhundven | ^^^ |
| 19:39.13 | peterS | also it is called issue, not issues |
| 19:39.32 | stoned | ahh slipped that one by me too |
| 19:39.35 | bhundven | exploration is the way, reading the documents is the path =) |
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| 19:39.57 | Bit10102 | it says debian gnu linux \n |
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| 19:41.43 | bhundven | Bit10102: just dump your art in there and bammm! make sure you put a \n at the end of each line so that it looks right |
| 19:42.03 | peterS | why don't you just make him read 'man issue' |
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| 19:42.34 | bhundven | I can't make anyone do anything, but I can suggest it. |
| 19:42.57 | Bit10102 | bhundven: cool, thats what im doin |
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| 19:43.07 | stoned | bhundven: why don't you suggest him to read 'man issue' |
| 19:43.10 | stoned | hides |
| 19:43.13 | bhundven | lol |
| 19:43.26 | tdn | I want to run a script each time a USB storage device is inserted. Can you help me on how to approach this? |
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| 19:44.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt updated Iceweasel to 3.0RC2, and I'm hating it.. is there a way to tell apt to revert to 2.5? |
| 19:44.27 | apt | Dark_Apostrophe: what are you talking about? |
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| 19:44.32 | Bladesman | would like to know that one, too. |
| 19:44.36 | bhundven | tdn: this is what udev is for. I would suggest reading some of the configuration files and man files for udev and hal. |
| 19:44.45 | scatterp | can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap |
| 19:45.03 | tdn | bhundven, ok. |
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| 19:45.20 | \amethyst | tdn: http://dventurin.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/udev-action-add-remove/ has an example |
| 19:45.39 | tdn | \amethyst, thanks! |
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| 19:47.10 | Bladesman | USB doesn't have something like an if-up.d dir for running scripts? |
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| 19:47.35 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Probably the thing to do is to purge iceweasel, and then install it again from testing or snapshots or something. |
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| 19:48.19 | bhundven | tdn: man 7 udev will have some details on udev's rules.d files, but that doc that \amethyst is a great starting point! |
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| 19:48.43 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: You'll almost certainly want to move ~/.mozilla into a temporary location, too; I doubt iceweasel 2 will deal with iceweasel 3 settings in that location well |
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| 19:49.17 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: What don't you like about it, out of curiosity? It'll be hard to keep it away forever, so it might be better just to file bugs about what you're unhappy with than try to hide in FF2 until FF4 comes |
| 19:49.29 | tdn | bhundven, will look at it. Thanks. |
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| 19:50.19 | Bushmills | Bladesman: it does |
| 19:50.33 | scatterp | can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap also i am having trouble with iceweasel i am trying to connect to a vnc server and when i go to the webpage it says i need java i downloaded the java its a bin file it dont seem to do anything and then i did apt-get install |
| 19:50.33 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.56 | scatterp | i can see my ap by doing iwlist wlan2 scan |
| 19:51.09 | \amethyst | scatterp: as for the java problem... is this i386 or amd64? |
| 19:51.18 | scatterp | i386 |
| 19:51.32 | \amethyst | scatterp: sun-java5-plugin is the browser plugin |
| 19:51.38 | scatterp | ok |
| 19:51.48 | mimcpher | Isn't Java6 out? |
| 19:51.59 | \amethyst | mimcpher: it's not in etch |
| 19:52.01 | mimcpher | and by out, I mean in etch |
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| 19:52.11 | \amethyst | mimcpher: it's in backports, but not etch |
| 19:52.19 | mimcpher | Yeah. I've got it from backports; I see now. |
| 19:52.29 | sepski | anyone here know if open-iscsi works in debian etch ? i have tried several times. and i get a session, but no device. |
| 19:52.32 | lymeca | Does Debian plan on packaging KDE 4.1 when it becomes stable to replace 3.5.9? |
| 19:52.50 | scatterp | amethyst ok i installed that testing |
| 19:53.16 | sepski | lymeca, i belived it was allready packaged and in experimental. |
| 19:53.41 | lymeca | sepski: It's been in experimental for MONTHS |
| 19:53.42 | chops | sepski: The etch kernels have pretty broken iscsi drivers. open-iscsi in etch has some flaws as well. I'd recommend backporting the sid open-iscsi, diverting the etch kernel modules, and replacing them with ones compiled in the sid source directory. |
| 19:53.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Thanks =) |
| 19:53.45 | lymeca | When will it hit sid? |
| 19:53.49 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: np |
| 19:54.02 | Eulex | lymeca, when it's ready. |
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| 19:54.20 | sepski | chops, thanks. that was gold nuggets |
| 19:54.20 | mimcpher | lymeca, generally, if there's going to be lots of upstream changes, it'll hang out in experimental. |
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| 19:54.25 | chops | sepski: np |
| 19:54.46 | lymeca | Well 4.1 is coming out and honestly even in beta it's ready to replace 3.5.9 |
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| 19:54.50 | chops | sepski: I already went through a couple of days of pain getting my iscsi device to work here, but now that I've got stable drivers it's been smooth sailing :-) |
| 19:55.25 | sepski | yeah i was realy puzzeled here a while |
| 19:55.34 | chops | lymeca: You can make that determination for yourself, by installing it from experimental... |
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| 19:56.10 | chops | sepski: Yeah, it's not the best. |
| 19:57.09 | lymeca | chops: As far as I can tell, the latest beta isn't even in experimtenal |
| 19:57.14 | scatterp | ok seems to be working now im just trying to get wifi working |
| 19:57.17 | scatterp | :( |
| 19:57.52 | soulchild | I hope nobody will kill me: How do I install KDE4 in lenny ? |
| 19:58.29 | lymeca | soulchild: I know, right? I think it really needs to move into sid soon. |
| 19:58.34 | mimcpher | I appear to be missing section 5 of `man` ... Where is that packaged? |
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| 19:58.55 | lymeca | soulchild: It's packaged, but in experimental, and I would recommend getting that but it's not even the latest beta in there. |
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| 19:58.59 | nukem | is there a way to generate all the top level dependencies of a debian system |
| 19:59.15 | Tecumseh | !locales |
| 19:59.15 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 19:59.38 | BubbaT | I've installed debian on a VirtualBox, when I boot up eth0 is not brought up, when I try to bring it up it says nop such device. Dmesg says it was recognised OK. |
| 20:00.15 | twobitwork | strange... apt-file tells me that strftime.3.gz is in package manpages-dev... but I have that installed, and I have no /usr/share/man/man3/strftime.3.gz |
| 20:00.32 | soulchild | lymeca: but trying to install from experimental also does not work,... there are dependency problems |
| 20:00.39 | BubbaT | eth0 also says it was brought up. |
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| 20:04.07 | chops | lymeca, soulchild: You're welcome to get involved in the process of stabilizing it so that it becomes suitable for inclusion in sid, or pushing a later beta into experimental. You should keep in mind that those are conflicting goals, though, of course (and as mentioned before, something big and hairy like KDE may stay in experimental for quite some time before going into sid simply because of what it is). |
| 20:04.15 | troubled | abrotman: well, found the code doing that greeting. seems like it was just a stray greeting that wasnt governed by "addressed" setting. Just a matter or waiting for tim to show up and patch |
| 20:04.28 | troubled | sorry for any spam |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | troubled: okay .. let me know when it's patched .. or whatever it takes it to not say funny thing s:) |
| 20:05.15 | twobitwork | lymeca: if you want it that bad, build it from source :) |
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| 20:05.43 | lymeca | twobitsprite: Naw, I got it by running the unreleased Ubuntu Intrepid ;-) |
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| 20:06.24 | troubled | abrotman: hehe np. looking at that section in Process.pl though, theres probably a few other regex that might be spoken, but each statement has its own weird if/then/else statements on if it should speak. just old code nobody noticed I guess :) |
| 20:06.24 | lymeca | KDE 4.1 beta 2 (soon to be stable KDE 4.1) has completely replaced KDE 3.x branch in Ubuntu for the next release, already. |
| 20:06.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:06.39 | abrotman | i wonder if it's fixed in dpkg |
| 20:06.42 | s4br3 | valdyn: Big things happened... Sound is back! Thanks! |
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| 20:06.53 | twobitwork | lymeca: yeah, I tried that too... seemed buggy as hell |
| 20:06.58 | stoned | who cares about ubuntu |
| 20:07.12 | lymeca | twobitsprite: When did you try it? |
| 20:07.18 | twobitwork | lymeca: like a week ago |
| 20:07.19 | s4br3 | stoned: U***users? |
| 20:07.20 | stoned | kde 3.5.9 is freaking amazing and screw ubuntu and kde 4 etc. etc. |
| 20:07.29 | stoned | s4br3: c'mon that was a rhetoric :) |
| 20:07.38 | scatterp | can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap i can do iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap |
| 20:07.40 | s4br3 | stoned: :) |
| 20:08.12 | chops | stoned: I think "It's in Ubuntu, not in Debian, therefore Ubuntu is better" was really the goal of that whole little monologue about insisting that KDE4 needs to come out of experimental :-) |
| 20:08.14 | lymeca | stoned: Don't get me wrong, I'm Debian supporter through and through, and I run it on my workstation and I have several Debian servers. My laptop is running Ubuntu though because it works a whole lot better. |
| 20:08.46 | s4br3 | Has the wubi-installer arrived to Debian yet? I find that an excellent tool! |
| 20:09.07 | stoned | ahha |
| 20:09.07 | troubled | heh, that "bug" has been around since rev 4 in svn according to svn blame |
| 20:09.08 | stoned | no |
| 20:09.09 | woodgrain | wols, thanks for the HDD help. It all worked out. |
| 20:09.12 | stoned | we have !debian.exe |
| 20:09.15 | lymeca | chops: Incorrect, completely. KDE 4.1 is showing itself to be a suitable replacement for 3.x even in beta, so I think it's high time it gets used in Debian |
| 20:09.16 | stoned | its great |
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| 20:09.59 | s4br3 | stoned: Does that live inside foreign filesystems' partitions? |
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| 20:10.08 | weiles | hi |
| 20:10.15 | weiles | my usb driver hangs up my system |
| 20:10.17 | stoned | wubi is nasty/slow/goes through ntfs and then layers another linux kernel fs driver layers |
| 20:10.20 | weiles | i guess |
| 20:10.23 | stoned | its very very slow and horrible in performance |
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| 20:10.36 | weiles | what can i do to get the relevant information before reboot? |
| 20:10.40 | stoned | wubi is mostly useless |
| 20:10.47 | s4br3 | Yes, but i could install wubi on my corporate laptop, without the it-dept knowing it |
| 20:10.50 | stoned | get a partition and try !debian.exe from windows |
| 20:11.06 | s4br3 | and show off! |
| 20:11.07 | stoned | s4br3: try live cds from knoppix and save your config on c: |
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| 20:11.31 | s4br3 | why is knoppix better than u***** |
| 20:11.44 | s4br3 | ? |
| 20:11.45 | egns | i have this general problem in several applications -> "Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session". I'm using lenny |
| 20:11.50 | stoned | its not better |
| 20:11.59 | s4br3 | ok |
| 20:12.00 | weiles | the problem happens from time to time i guess after 10 gb transfer or so |
| 20:12.21 | weiles | it hangs all processess trying to access the usb mount point |
| 20:12.38 | s4br3 | I don't like to touch partitions on someone elses laptop, even if im the sole user |
| 20:12.40 | weiles | without even being able to SIGKILL them |
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| 20:13.17 | weiles | any ideas what i can do to avoid/understand the problem? |
| 20:13.37 | weiles | it is lenny with an external usb 2.0/500 gb xfs filesystem |
| 20:13.38 | s4br3 | Besides, it has KDE4, with Compiz.... :) So, Im the eye-candy king (read clown) |
| 20:13.43 | weiles | the rest of the system is still working |
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| 20:14.08 | abrotman | s4br3: this is #debian .. how would we know about knoppix or ubuntu ? |
| 20:14.40 | s4br3 | abrotman: point taken |
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| 20:15.03 | rwaite | question: why is apache2-mpm-prefork not required for libembperl-perl if embperl will not work without it? |
| 20:15.09 | s4br3 | weiles: sorry, have no idea |
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| 20:15.56 | weiles | this is really bad since this is my gateway+nfs-home share+print-server+... (read my central point of service) here |
| 20:16.22 | s4br3 | weiles: it worked before? |
| 20:16.38 | weiles | s4br3, i have this issue quite some time now |
| 20:16.41 | chops | rwaite: See the package description. "This package contains Apache, Apache2, FastCGI, CGI and offline versions of Embperl, although you may need to install some additional packages to use some of those modes." |
| 20:16.46 | weiles | i can't say if it is a hardware issue |
| 20:17.16 | weiles | i am just wondering that i don't get any information about usb in the kernel logs after failure |
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| 20:17.36 | scatterp | can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap i can do iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap |
| 20:17.43 | egns | i have this general problem in several applications -> "Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session". I'm using lenny... |
| 20:17.55 | chops | egns: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:18.12 | stoned | chops: for which package? |
| 20:18.12 | weiles | sometimes the server hangs completely without even being able to ctrl+print+reisub it |
| 20:18.14 | egns | what is that? :) |
| 20:18.22 | s4br3 | only one hit on Google with your message "http://de.pastebin.ca/961003" |
| 20:18.22 | chops | stoned: I would check it for dbus if it were me |
| 20:18.29 | stoned | !bts |
| 20:18.29 | chops | !tell egns about bts |
| 20:18.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 20:18.32 | stoned | doh |
| 20:18.40 | weiles | so i would like to get these issues fixed |
| 20:18.54 | egns | chops» i'll check it |
| 20:19.01 | s4br3 | weiles: "http://de.pastebin.ca/961003" |
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| 20:20.15 | weiles | s4br3, ? |
| 20:20.46 | s4br3 | weiles: It looks like a rare error |
| 20:21.41 | weiles | rare maybe, but this doesn't help it ;-) |
| 20:21.55 | weiles | i just would like to know what the issue could be, so i can fix it |
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| 20:22.16 | weiles | if it is a hardware one i could e.g. replace the usb disc controller with a better one |
| 20:22.36 | weiles | and i don't know if both issues are related |
| 20:23.01 | weiles | so i would like to know how to get a kernel dump or sth. to see where the filesystem access hangs |
| 20:23.26 | weiles | normally (read: in my experience) the kernel issues disk read errors |
| 20:23.40 | weiles | but maybe not on usb? |
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| 20:24.22 | s4br3 | weiles: way over my head |
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| 20:24.37 | weiles | anybody any ideas? |
| 20:24.48 | s4br3 | good luck! |
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| 20:30.27 | thifany | i dont know why my internet connection 2mbps at linux are so sloly!!! |
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| 20:31.52 | helo | super lol y? |
| 20:33.29 | magyar_ | is there a backport for lenny? |
| 20:33.30 | magyar_ | i need to install adobe-flash |
| 20:33.55 | stoned | install flashplayer-nonfree plugin I think |
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| 20:34.00 | stoned | !adobe flash |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:34.03 | cloakable | magyar_: it's called wait for it to come down from sid ;p |
| 20:34.38 | stoned | !adobe flash testing |
| 20:34.39 | dpkg | If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291#37). Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem. |
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| 20:34.39 | chops | cloakable: In general if I need something from sid on a lenny system, I just add sid to sources.list, install the single thing I need, and then go back to testing in sources.list. |
| 20:35.04 | cloakable | chops: I wait ;p |
| 20:35.24 | weiles | any ideas what to do about a hanging usb disk? |
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| 20:35.39 | jerome | is there a power management dedicated channel for debian ? I'm struggling with a hp laptop which definitly refuses to resume from s2ram. THe machine is dead on resume, no matter what I try. |
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| 20:35.44 | weiles | it hangs all fs access to disk with either zombie or nonkillable processes |
| 20:35.49 | jerome | (capslock no workee) |
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| 20:35.53 | moos3_ | anyone done network bonding with lenny and ifenslave 2.6 |
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| 20:39.43 | weiles | moos3, sorry no idea |
| 20:40.14 | moos3 | yeah i have narrowed it down to totally breaking my inets with anything static and using bonding |
| 20:40.31 | weiles | any idea what i can do before rebooting to get information about my hanging usb device? |
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| 20:42.23 | magyar_ | where can i download "flashplugin-nonfree" it's not in the "non-free" anymore |
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| 20:44.08 | Taime1 | magyar_: from adobe |
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| 20:46.31 | Eulex | magyar_, it's in contrib, at least here |
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| 20:47.02 | Eulex | magyar_, in unstable, that is. nowhere else. |
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| 20:48.35 | weiles | is it possible that the usb controller of my hard disk crashes and hangs the kernel fs access without the kernel knowing it? |
| 20:48.46 | magyar_ | Eulex, got it, thanks |
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| 20:50.16 | thifany | \amethyst: hi... i have 2 hdds one with linux debian. other with NTFS win system and cant boot the second mormaly...all my musics and docs are there...wt to do? |
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| 20:51.05 | chops | weiles: That's not supposed to happen (the kernel is supposed to be able to recover from external hardware issues), but it's always possible. |
| 20:51.29 | micols | shit, i destroyed 'init' |
| 20:51.43 | micols | with xfs_repair |
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| 20:52.51 | weiles | chops, because i could try to get a new usb to sata controller to test if it is a buggy drive controller |
| 20:52.59 | weiles | but i don't want to do that if it is stupid |
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| 20:53.25 | chops | weiles: It's certainly possible that that will help (and I've seen USB drives hang Debian machines before, though that was many years ago) |
| 20:53.45 | micols | anyone successfully hacked their bios, and if so, to what extend? |
| 20:54.37 | rsk | micols: i run linux on it |
| 20:54.53 | rsk | aka linuxbios |
| 20:54.54 | chops | micols: There's openbios (or some such project). As a thing to do to entertain yourself it sounds like a bad idea, because you can brick your PC. |
| 20:55.20 | weiles | chops, is there a way to get information about what currently hangs? some way to enable usb logging without rebuilding the kernel? |
| 20:55.31 | micols | chops: i got another mainboard to reprogram it on in case of fault |
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| 20:55.40 | chops | weiles: I'm not sure if you can enable usb logging without recompiling |
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| 20:55.44 | n3kl | How can I tell how many sectors my hard drive has? |
| 20:55.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to blacklist certain packages from ever upgrading? |
| 20:55.51 | micols | n3kl: fdisk |
| 20:55.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Iceweasel... 3.0 is a nightmare) |
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| 20:56.05 | chops | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about hold |
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| 20:56.10 | thifany | !update kernel |
| 20:56.13 | micols | Dark_Apostrophe: hehe i hate that upgrade thing too |
| 20:56.15 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: What about it is a nightmare? I know I asked you this before. |
| 20:56.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | oops, I must've missed that |
| 20:57.38 | n3kl | How can I check how many secors a partition has? |
| 20:57.39 | micols | n3kl: fdisk again.. will list it with 'l' |
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| 20:57.47 | bolt | N-N-N-NETSPLIT-SPLIT-SPLIT-SPLIT! |
| 20:57.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Awfulbar, the new download manager, the teletubbified configuration UI, etc, ec. |
| 20:57.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | etc* |
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| 20:57.53 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Because of how security updates work in Debian, you won't get any security updates for IW2 if you hold the package, though. |
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| 20:57.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: I'll take the risk |
| 20:57.54 | micols | oh sorry, n3kl it lists in blocks. |
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| 20:57.54 | abrotman | oh yeah .. great plan |
| 20:57.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | If there was a way, at least, to undo awfulbar completely, instead of quasi-reversion extensions |
| 20:57.54 | micols | and its 'p' not 'l' |
| 20:57.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then I'd consider upgrading |
| 20:58.03 | abrotman | undo ? |
| 20:58.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | But until there's a way to completely scrap awfulbar, I'm not touching 3.0 |
| 20:58.10 | abrotman | you can probably turn it off |
| 20:58.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 20:58.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | You can't |
| 20:58.18 | n3kl | Anyone know why when I do: cryptsetup luksFormat --key-size 512 /dev/bla I get : Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/hdb1 contains at least 508 sectors. I know there is support for it in the kernel. If I change the key size to 256, everything works no problem. |
| 20:58.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are two extensions which partially reverted the behaviour to pre-3.x behaviour |
| 20:58.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | but not completely |
| 20:58.46 | weiles | cu |
| 20:58.54 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: http://support.mozilla.com/uk/kb/How+to+disable+the+Smart+Location+Bar?bl=n |
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| 20:59.33 | thifany | abrotman: how to recover my old hdd, where all my docs ans musics were downloaded!? |
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| 20:59.42 | scatterp | can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap i can do iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap also i have this in dmesg that i think explains the cause http://pastebin.com/f4affdb91 |
| 20:59.53 | abrotman | thifany: mount the HDD .. get the stuff |
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| 21:00.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Tried that, from the exact same website |
| 21:00.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: It partially remedied it, but not entirely |
| 21:00.36 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Okay. I'm not going to try to change your mind. Good luck. |
| 21:01.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Sorry, I'm stubborn at times |
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| 21:02.46 | n3kl | Anyone? Bueler...? |
| 21:02.52 | thifany | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:04.38 | micols | anyone tried using flashcards as root fs ? |
| 21:05.01 | stew | micols: yes |
| 21:05.02 | micols | thinking about doing software raid1 on 2 or 4 flashcards and then mount /var over gigabit nfs |
| 21:05.04 | Maulkin | Yes |
| 21:05.11 | Maulkin | hrm |
| 21:05.16 | micols | which cardreaders did you use or how did you implement it? |
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| 21:05.32 | micols | and what fs and considerations about write operations |
| 21:05.37 | Maulkin | I didn't... I use specialised memory :) |
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| 21:05.45 | Maulkin | FS = infs. |
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| 21:05.59 | stew | i used usb, and i used a generic cf->ide adapater that i bought for $5 on ebay |
| 21:06.20 | n3kl | micols: yes |
| 21:06.28 | micols | but that would be ide woudlnt it stew ? |
| 21:06.30 | Maulkin | I'd point out though, that infs is shit. No, really. You're best off with yafs or something |
| 21:06.38 | micols | would look transparent to the os , as an ide disk |
| 21:06.40 | Maulkin | micols: CF does ide natively. |
| 21:06.42 | n3kl | micols: ext3, who cares. It will last close to 20 years anyway |
| 21:06.50 | stew | micols: yes, it looked like an ide disk to the os |
| 21:07.05 | micols | stew: what write performance did the card have and read? |
| 21:07.12 | micols | would be rather slow with only one card |
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| 21:07.20 | n3kl | true |
| 21:07.21 | micols | compared to my 15ks in raid1 :) |
| 21:07.36 | stew | micols: no idea. never tested, never really cared. this system was just a firewall that logged via udp instead of to disk |
| 21:07.37 | micols | but i want to save the power and make my computer less noisy etc. |
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| 21:08.06 | micols | right, i guess i need at least 2-4 CF cards |
| 21:08.11 | micols | in order to get a decent speed. |
| 21:08.22 | micols | and then mdadm --assemble them into raid1 :) |
| 21:08.26 | micols | .. or 10 |
| 21:08.26 | abrotman | don't the CF cards still have the write limitations ? |
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| 21:08.45 | micols | yes i think its around 100k or 1000k operations |
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| 21:09.14 | micols | but if you take care it wont be a problem, not even for a workstation |
| 21:09.26 | stew | if you want to save power, stick with a traditional hard disk |
| 21:09.27 | micols | i think about mounting /var over nfs so i dont get those writes. |
| 21:09.44 | micols | stew: i want performance + less noise :) |
| 21:09.50 | micols | stew: my rig already takes 240W in idle |
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| 21:09.58 | stew | micols: if you want performance stick with a traditional disk |
| 21:10.03 | abrotman | i can't imagine a flash drive would perform better than the HDD |
| 21:10.19 | micols | abrotman: in raid they probably will :) |
| 21:10.21 | stew | micols: you shouldn't expect to save power to switching to static ram |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | micols: i seriously doubt it |
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| 21:10.28 | stew | probably not |
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| 21:10.52 | micols | abrotman: why? they would be good for 30MB/s each, and 4 of those in raid would probably give you 100MB/s |
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| 21:10.55 | kombi | trying to freshly re-install exim4, so i did apt-get remove --purge and mv /etc/exim4 /etc/exim4.bk, but the thing does not write fresh configs. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config doesn't write them either.. What must one do? |
| 21:10.56 | roe_ | I am trying to build a router using debian, I configured two interfaces, and both are up and passing traffic, I uncommented the line n /etc/sysctl.conf to pass traffic but it still isn't routing |
| 21:11.08 | micols | abrotman: and still consume way less wpoer than my 2x15k compaq disks |
| 21:11.12 | infinitycircuit | !tell kombi about confmiss |
| 21:11.25 | abrotman | micols: so you can try it goofing around before oyu try it in deployment |
| 21:11.30 | micols | abrotman: which only delivers 70MB/s read (at end of platters) |
| 21:12.04 | stew | micols: the consume more power than your hard disks when your hard disks spin down |
| 21:12.32 | ameyer | but SSDs tend to have significantly slower write speeds |
| 21:12.41 | micols | stew: their power consumption can be neglected.. its very small |
| 21:12.43 | ameyer | for what it's worth |
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| 21:12.57 | stew | micols: i'm only talking about power consumption becuase you have brought it up a few times |
| 21:13.13 | micols | stew: yes, i dont think CF cards use any power compared to my 15k disks |
| 21:13.26 | micols | stew: i guess it would be 1/10th of that. or less. |
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| 21:14.02 | stew | micols: how much of the time are your hard disks spun down? how are you measuring the power consumption of the cf cards? |
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| 21:14.17 | micols | stew: they're on 24/7/365 |
| 21:14.24 | stew | micols: why? |
| 21:14.38 | micols | stew: they draw uA if i recall correctly, the disks draw Amperres :) |
| 21:15.06 | micols | stew: i dont like switching off my computer |
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| 21:15.26 | stew | micols: no, but you should be able to have your hard disks spin down when they are not in use |
| 21:15.42 | stew | micols: in which case they don't use much power at all (less than your CF cards would be using) |
| 21:15.46 | micols | stew: i dont want to add that extra tear on them :) |
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| 21:15.53 | micols | stew: its not good for the motor |
| 21:16.19 | micols | i use my computer all the time, so if it spins down 10 times a day, it will add wear to the disks. |
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| 21:16.50 | micols | also programs would be starting them all the time :) |
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| 21:17.01 | infinitycircuit | i have multiple thinkpads with aps running that spin down/park heads 24/7 and none have had hd failure...i feel like the worries about hd writes are mostly a myth |
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| 21:17.11 | micols | i got a lot of firefoxes running and gimp, etc.. would be a nightmare to strace and see which did start a spinup :) |
| 21:17.17 | kombi | infinitycircuit: tried it both ways, I just does not install fresh configs.. |
| 21:18.13 | infinitycircuit | kombi: the package you need is exim4-config is that the one you are reinstalling? |
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| 21:18.58 | MrBrush | I got some string, that I would like to search for in all *.php files in certain dir, is there some smart way I can do this with linux?> |
| 21:19.09 | kombi | infinitycircuit: it also just occured to me that exim4 might be the wrong package... |
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| 21:19.33 | infinitycircuit | kombi: perfectly reasonable mistake :) |
| 21:19.35 | micols | MrBrush: grep function() dir/*.php |
| 21:19.45 | micols | MrBrush: grep "function()" dir/*.php |
| 21:20.00 | kombi | infinitycircuit: thanks, still feel bad...;) |
| 21:20.04 | micols | and just add /*/*/* :) |
| 21:20.08 | micols | to the level of recursiveness |
| 21:20.15 | micols | or you could use find, less ugly. |
| 21:20.27 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.35 | micols | find dir -iname "*.php" -exec grep myfunctionphp() {} \; |
| 21:20.37 | cloakable | or pass the recursive command to grep |
| 21:20.48 | micols | find dir -iname "*.php" -exec grep myfunctionphp() {} -a -print \; |
| 21:20.50 | micols | something like that |
| 21:21.08 | cloakable | micols: grep has a recursive switch :) |
| 21:21.23 | micols | hehe didn't know that cloakable :) sorry for my advice then :) |
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| 21:22.34 | cloakable | micols: I've used it once or twice to dig out KDE settings in .kde :) |
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| 21:22.50 | Decepticon | how do i send a message to a user logged onto the s ystem? |
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| 21:23.48 | infinitycircuit | Decepticon: you can use "write" |
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| 21:24.40 | Decepticon | and tty is what i get from 'who' right? |
| 21:24.44 | Decepticon | something like pts/5 |
| 21:24.49 | stiv2k | Hello where can I report a kernel REGRESSION |
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| 21:26.02 | \amethyst | Decepticon: yes |
| 21:26.05 | Dantix | hi, anyone heard about Ganeti? the cluster manager |
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| 21:26.53 | Decepticon | when i do write <username>, i see a blank line where i can write, when i press enter, i get another blank line, is this how you "write" to an other user? how do i stop writing? |
| 21:27.24 | infinitycircuit | you type EOF or interrupt |
| 21:27.28 | \amethyst | Decepticon: send an end-of-file (ctrl-d) |
| 21:27.28 | infinitycircuit | so that's EOF or Ctrl-D |
| 21:27.35 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:27.41 | infinitycircuit | i don't know if EOF will work though the man page is a bit unclear |
| 21:27.48 | \amethyst | Decepticon: do you want two-way chat? |
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| 21:27.53 | Decepticon | \amethyst sure |
| 21:27.56 | \amethyst | Decepticon: then you might look at talk instead |
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| 21:28.25 | \amethyst | Decepticon: with talk they'll get an invitation and can run talk <yourusername> to do a two-way chat |
| 21:29.02 | \amethyst | Decepticon: however, they have to explicitly accept the talk, whereas write works whenever |
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| 21:29.22 | Decepticon | ive never actually gotten talk to work |
| 21:29.32 | Decepticon | right now im getting a message Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused. Press any key... |
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| 21:30.05 | \amethyst | Decepticon: you need a talkd too |
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| 21:31.30 | \amethyst | Decepticon: I think the options in debian are talkd, gtalk, inetutils-talkd, and ktalkd |
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| 21:32.29 | daemon | Decepticon, what do you want me to talk about? |
| 21:32.52 | infinitycircuit | lol |
| 21:32.53 | Decepticon | how much you must get highlighted !! |
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| 21:33.18 | daemon | Decepticon, * [daemon] ##freebsd #debian ##cups #SANE #gimp #aros #erlang #AfterStep #mysql #defocus #web #freenode-registry #perl |
| 21:33.23 | daemon | im considering disabling highlighting.. |
| 21:33.42 | Decepticon | how do you say it? |
| 21:33.47 | Decepticon | die mon |
| 21:33.51 | Decepticon | day mon |
| 21:33.55 | Decepticon | demon |
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| 21:34.02 | daemon | d 'aye' mon |
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| 21:34.21 | daemon | day-mon would be close too |
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| 21:36.42 | SnowRaptor | hey there! My fried is fed up with his toshiba laptop, which refuses to work fine with anything other than Windows Vosta basc. And he is searchin for a laptop which runs Debian in a decent way, which means video driver AND cpufreq together. Any suggenstions? (Something better than a Turion 64 TL-60 (or centrino duo 2.0GHz) |
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| 21:37.34 | infinitycircuit | SnowRaptor: i would recommend a thinkpad T-series |
| 21:37.36 | stew | SnowRaptor: a thinkpad with an intel graphics adaptor |
| 21:38.13 | SnowRaptor | Thanks, checking prices :) |
| 21:38.27 | bhundven | I totally agree with infinitycircuit and stew. I'm very happy with my thinkpad |
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| 21:39.35 | Decepticon | \amethyst i have talk and talkd installed on both machines, but i am still getting 'Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused. Press any key...' |
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| 21:39.52 | daemon | wonders if weather to continue the bad joke |
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| 21:41.18 | \amethyst | Decepticon: oh, two different machines? you might need to add talkd to /etc/hosts.allow and/or your firewall |
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| 21:41.40 | \amethyst | Decepticon: (after making sure that it works within a single machine) |
| 21:41.45 | Decepticon | \amethyst i can initiate talk bizinichi@somewhere, and bizinichi will see a incoming message |
| 21:41.58 | Decepticon | but when bizinichi does talk decepticon@somewhere, it gies that message |
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| 21:44.01 | shine | hello everyone. is it okay to ask a sid related question here? |
| 21:44.05 | shine | please. :/ |
| 21:44.35 | stew | shine: yes |
| 21:45.05 | shine | basically i upgraded to sid and it broke my X, i believe its an issue with the VESA driver. just looking for any recommendations on what i could do? i have tried dpkg-reconfigure and no joy. |
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| 21:45.41 | stew | shine: show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:46.23 | shine | i realise it was a mistake on my part to upgrade to sid but nonetheless whats done is done now. just seeing if there is anything i could short of re-installing. |
| 21:46.23 | shine | stew: can i pastebin with links browser? do you know .. |
| 21:46.23 | Bushmills | shine, you installed new xserver-xorg-video-vesa 2.0.0-1 today? |
| 21:46.48 | stew | shine: sure. you can upload the file directly to http://paste.debian.net using links (and the browse button at the bottom) |
| 21:46.49 | shine | yes, i installed xserver-xorg-video-vesa .. not sure about the 2.0.0-1 but its the sid package.. |
| 21:47.00 | shine | thanks stew, one sec. |
| 21:47.20 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.21 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg-video-vesa 3.5-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:47.40 | Bushmills | eh? |
| 21:47.47 | Bushmills | what's that?? |
| 21:48.07 | shine | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend ... xserver-xorg-v 1:2.0.0-1 |
| 21:48.13 | Bushmills | i had expected ii xserver-xorg-v 1:2.0.0-1 X.Org X server -- VESA display driver |
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| 21:48.56 | stew | dpkg -l this_is_the_bot's_idea_of_a_joke |
| 21:48.56 | dpkg | ii this_is_the_bot's_idea_of_a_joke 3.7-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:49.11 | Bushmills | oh. right |
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| 21:50.14 | Bushmills | yeah, new driver. made it into sid today |
| 21:50.35 | Bushmills | from i think 1.2 to 2.0. what's wrong with it? |
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| 21:52.23 | kombi | how do I read just the first line of a file with cat again? |
| 21:52.35 | stew | kombi: head -1 filename |
| 21:52.44 | jelly | that's not with cat though |
| 21:52.44 | kombi | thanks stew! |
| 21:52.57 | kombi | jelly: good enough for me..;) |
| 21:52.58 | stew | head -1 filename | cat |
| 21:53.16 | jelly | meow |
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| 21:53.41 | cloakable | stew: lol |
| 21:53.45 | \amethyst | or echo "$(cat filename | cat | head -1 | cat)" |
| 21:53.45 | Bushmills | shine, there shouldn't be any deps on that driver, so i think you should be able to revert to http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/xserver-xorg-video-vesa_1.3.0-4_i386.deb without problems |
| 21:54.06 | \amethyst | that will screw up NULs and trailing empty lines, though |
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| 21:54.35 | \amethyst | well, I guess trailing empty lines aren't an issue since it's head -1 |
| 21:54.38 | Bushmills | (assuming x86 32 bit) |
| 21:54.42 | jelly | and the cat in the middle and a silver spoon |
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| 21:55.22 | kombi | hmm, echo "something" | mail foo@bar gets there, head -1 file | mail foo@bar does not.. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:56.09 | bhundven | mail foo@bar < cat filename | head -1 |
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| 21:56.19 | jelly | bhundven: no. |
| 21:56.29 | dragutux | heya |
| 21:56.34 | dragutux | i got a cobalt raq4r |
| 21:56.40 | dragutux | and i'd like to install etch |
| 21:56.50 | Bushmills | .. <<< $( head 1 filename ) could do ... |
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| 21:56.54 | dragutux | unfortunately no howto updated |
| 21:56.58 | Bushmills | head -1 ... |
| 21:57.05 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.05 | scatterp | cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461502 i have no networkmanager installed |
| 21:57.20 | dragutux | and i can't plug the drives anywhere elese, my other hardware is too much new |
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| 21:57.56 | shine | okay |
| 21:58.32 | dragutux | or i need a netboot for serial x86 1U servers with specific sun hardware & boot methods |
| 21:58.37 | shine | my paste is on there but i cant remember how to get the link with lynx. ;/ if you look now Bushmills or stew its the anonymous one .. Xorg.log |
| 21:58.46 | shine | i will paste my xorg.conf now too |
| 21:59.16 | kombi | Bushmills: ambigous redirect.. |
| 21:59.22 | stew | shine's xorg log seems to be http://paste.debian.net/9178 |
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| 21:59.54 | shine | http://paste.debian.net/9178 yeh |
| 21:59.56 | shine | thanks |
| 22:00.09 | shine | pasting xorg.conf now |
| 22:00.18 | dragutux | nevermind |
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| 22:00.28 | dragutux | !add cobalt debian how to http://www.aironaut.ch/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=33 |
| 22:00.48 | stew | shine: looks like EDID failed for your monitor and it guessed at the hsync/vrefresh. you might try specifying the actual values in the Monitor section of xorg.conf |
| 22:00.48 | jelly | kombi: head -1 file | mail ... should work if head -1 file works. |
| 22:01.24 | jelly | kombi: so run it by itself and check its exit status |
| 22:01.31 | bolt | msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 22:01.35 | Bushmills | kombi, mail me <<< $(head -1 file) works here. requires bash. but there is no point doing it that way, was more meant to point out to bhundven as alternative to what he suggested (and wouldn't work that way as he did) |
| 22:01.50 | Bushmills | kombi: do head -1 file alone |
| 22:02.10 | kombi | jelly: that's the strange thing, echo "foo" | mail goes though, head -1 alone is fine, but head -1 | mail does not get there.. |
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| 22:02.36 | jelly | kombi: does head -1 exit with status 0? |
| 22:02.41 | shine | stew: here is my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/9179 |
| 22:02.58 | kombi | jelly: ahmm... how do I tell again? |
| 22:03.08 | jelly | kombi: run command; echo $? |
| 22:03.25 | jelly | kombi: $? should be 0 |
| 22:03.29 | stew | shine: oh jeez, i was expecting a much more sparse xorg.conf, was that xorg.conf produced by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 22:03.56 | shine | no |
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| 22:04.21 | stew | shine: have you try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
| 22:04.30 | kombi | jelly: 0 |
| 22:04.47 | jelly | kombi: no idea |
| 22:05.00 | jelly | kombi: check your mail logs! |
| 22:05.16 | kombi | jelly: maybe it's the weired stuff in that file, I'll try grep |
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| 22:05.27 | jelly | runs away |
| 22:05.40 | shine | stew: i will try that, thank you. |
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| 22:06.16 | Bushmills | kombi: try head -1 file | hexdump | mail toyou , see whether that makes a difference |
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| 22:07.31 | Tcharl | Is there a way to see all my installed packages from a selected repository ,for instance debian-multimedia, using dpkg? |
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| 22:10.28 | infinitycircuit | Tcharl: install apt-show-versions and run apt-show-versions -a | grep debian-multimedia |
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| 22:10.34 | kombi | Bushmills: no difference at all, this is starting to freak me out.. |
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| 22:11.25 | shine | stew: yeah that gives me a much slimmer xorg.conf but i still get a black screen with X |
| 22:11.30 | Tcharl | infinitycircuit:Thanks a lot! |
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| 22:12.17 | kombi | how do you get grep to return the matching chars only, not the whole line? |
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| 22:12.43 | Bushmills | kombi: what does sed -n 1p file | mail toyou do? |
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| 22:12.54 | shine | /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so: undefined symbol: xf86GTFMode ... xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server ... xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 22:13.11 | shine | any idea what that might mean? |
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| 22:13.23 | batcoder-7 | how can i make a kernel module start so i dont have to modprobe it each time ? |
| 22:13.40 | shine | batcoder-7: put it in your /etc/modules |
| 22:14.14 | Bushmills | shine, try downgrading vesa driver to 1.3 |
| 22:14.19 | shine | echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
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| 22:14.34 | kombi | Bushmills: sigh, it doesn't get through, I have a feeling it must be something completely different and stupid that's wrong |
| 22:14.35 | shine | Bushmills: can you tell me how to do that please? i dont know. :/ |
| 22:14.36 | MrBrush | how to grep a certain string , and search for it in all files in the dir you are in now + ALL dirs that are in your dir? |
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| 22:15.01 | Bushmills | shine, i gave you the url of the package. dpkg -i that one after downloading |
| 22:15.11 | shine | ok |
| 22:15.15 | infinitycircuit | MrBush: grep -R string . should work i think |
| 22:15.15 | shine | scrolls up |
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| 22:16.04 | Bushmills | kombi: what's the error? |
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| 22:17.23 | kombi | Bushmills: I just simply tried another file which happens to be a plain text file and it goes through with no problems. The file I was trying the whole time is an html file... |
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| 22:17.48 | shine | wooooo Bushmills ! you are a legend! thank you Bushmills and stew for your help. :D one last question, when i run apt-get dist-upgrade in future do i need to something to stop it from upgrading my vesa driver? |
| 22:18.19 | kombi | Bushmills:.. of which I only need the ip address in the first line. Those html tags seem to be the problem. I wonder how I best get rid of those. |
| 22:18.24 | Bushmills | shine, yes. put it on hold |
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| 22:18.50 | extor | Is there a quick and dirty way for me to clone a remote web server to a local test machine so that it has the exact same .deb packages installed as the remote box? |
| 22:18.58 | Bushmills | kombi: shouldn't be - you had the same problem with piping it through hexdump |
| 22:19.09 | kombi | true.. |
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| 22:21.25 | abrotman | extor: /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 22:22.28 | Bushmills | kombi: but you can de-htmize the text. several ways. you could pipe it through html2text -nobs |
| 22:22.33 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.33 | scatterp | cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461502 i have no networkmanager installed when i reboot it comes back to life |
| 22:22.43 | kombi | Bushmills: great idea! |
| 22:22.44 | scatterp | could a kernel upgrade work ? |
| 22:23.35 | \bin\tclsh | is there a channel related kde? |
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| 22:24.17 | rsk | #kde |
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| 22:24.29 | \bin\tclsh | oh, thanks |
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| 22:25.34 | shine | hmm |
| 22:25.40 | vjoe | bye |
| 22:25.53 | shine | i cant seem to find anything on how to put packages on hold. |
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| 22:26.14 | Bushmills | shine, no stop. don't do that with sid |
| 22:26.27 | shine | okey! |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | why is he on sid ? |
| 22:26.51 | Bushmills | no good idea to indiscriminately install all new stuff. hand pick them one by one |
| 22:27.03 | Bushmills | because he doesn't know any better i suppose |
| 22:27.09 | shine | i know i know. i shouldnt be. |
| 22:27.31 | rsk | how stable is sid for you shine |
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| 22:27.39 | rsk | i.e when did X or something major break? |
| 22:27.56 | Bushmills | just now :) |
| 22:27.59 | shine | heheh |
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| 22:28.23 | shine | rsk: im really not the one to ask. i am a foolish noob, have been for a long time. |
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| 22:30.43 | kombi | Bushmills: that was it! thanks a meg! |
| 22:32.01 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.01 | scatterp | cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461502 i have no networkmanager installed when i reboot it comes back to life could a kernel upgrade do it or reinstalling perhaps ? |
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| 22:33.32 | drwahl | if i am root, is there any way to kick logins that appear to be idle? |
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| 22:35.09 | n3kl | drwahl: man skill |
| 22:35.15 | drwahl | ah, thanks |
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| 22:35.41 | n3kl | drwahl: also, there is the TMOUT variable. |
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| 22:36.37 | drwahl | n3kl: TMOUT might work, but i think it would be good to know how to do it manually too :) |
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| 22:39.16 | Bushmills | drwahl: how are users connecting to the machine? |
| 22:39.36 | drwahl | well, its my user account, and i logged in from work via ssh |
| 22:39.47 | takahiro | hi im using debian etch but apt-get php5 gets v5.2 and i want to get v5.3 -- is there a way to do this without wreaking havoc on the rest of the system and dependencies or upgrading the whole system to unstable? |
| 22:39.49 | Bushmills | for ssh, look at ClientAliveInterval |
| 22:40.08 | Maulkin | takahiro: a backport |
| 22:40.12 | Maulkin | !backports |
| 22:40.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:40.13 | Maulkin | !backport |
| 22:40.14 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:40.14 | drwahl | Bushmills: sometimes i do want there to be no timeout, while other times i would like to manually kick the connectin |
| 22:40.25 | samantha-- | so i have files in a directory that have long filenames. When Samba shares them, the WinXP box sees them as having stupid 8.3 filenames, and doing a write operation on them jacks the filename on the Debian side. WTF? |
| 22:41.00 | takahiro | thx! |
| 22:41.16 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.16 | scatterp | cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461502 i have no networkmanager installed when i reboot it comes back to life could a kernel upgrade do it or reinstalling perhaps ? would geting a new wifi card help ? |
| 22:41.27 | Bushmills | drwahl: how will you tell the computer whether to drop or not the connection? |
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| 22:42.05 | n3kl | scatterp: what error do you get when you try to associate with the ap? |
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| 22:42.12 | BubbaT | I've installed debian on a VirtualBox, when I boot up eth0 is not brought up, when I try to bring it up it says nop such device. Dmesg says it was recognised OK. |
| 22:42.23 | scatterp | n3kl "not associated" |
| 22:42.39 | scatterp | n3kl, thanks for helping me i been trying for hours im stuck with a broken wire :( |
| 22:42.41 | n3kl | scatterp: how are you trying to associate with it? |
| 22:42.43 | drwahl | Bushmills: maybe i should be a little more detailed on the issue (or hypothetical issue). i have a term server at home. i go to work and ssh to my term server at home from work. i forget to log out my (putty) session at work, so when i get home, i want to kill the connection. i'm not sure how to do that |
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| 22:43.20 | Bushmills | drwahl: being a bit specific about a problem doesn't usually hurt |
| 22:43.27 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: so kill the ssh daemon that is connecting to you putty session. |
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| 22:43.27 | scatterp | iwconfig wlan0 essid My-Linksys |
| 22:43.31 | scatterp | iwconfig wlan2 essid My-Linksys |
| 22:43.35 | scatterp | iwconfig wifi0 essid My-Linksys |
| 22:43.51 | n3kl | scatterp: what driver are you using? |
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| 22:43.57 | drwahl | Bushmills: however, i think i figured it out by reading 'man skill'. i just did a test and running the command 'skill -KILL (username)' will log the user out |
| 22:44.14 | scatterp | wifi0 Centrino a/b/g ipwraw-ng |
| 22:44.15 | scatterp | wlan0 ath5k_pci - [phy0] |
| 22:44.15 | scatterp | wlan2 Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb - [phy1] |
| 22:44.20 | n3kl | drwahl: you can also just skill tty1 |
| 22:44.26 | Bushmills | drwahl: i think pkill -u is preferable to skill |
| 22:44.28 | n3kl | KILL is for stuck sessions |
| 22:44.30 | takahiro | oh no~~~ there is no php v5.3 in debian backports :~( *cry* |
| 22:44.48 | drwahl | ah, i will give that a shot |
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| 22:45.11 | n3kl | drwahl: also, as I said, *I* find it helpfull to have TMOUT set in .bash_profile, that way it does not happen. Still handy to know skill though |
| 22:45.36 | Bushmills | otherwise, set idle timout to ... say .. 1 hour. enough time to get you home and idle a bit |
| 22:46.06 | n3kl | scatterp: have you googled on the subject |
| 22:46.12 | scatterp | n3kl, yes |
| 22:46.24 | scatterp | n3kl, i posted the relevent link in my question |
| 22:46.30 | scatterp | n3kl, i googled for 1 hour solid |
| 22:46.36 | n3kl | scatterp: I saw the dmesg. |
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| 22:46.45 | n3kl | scatterp: also, is it clear text, wep, wpa? |
| 22:46.46 | takahiro | how safe is it to compile from source in debian? if i have php 5.2 installed, and then compile and install 5.3 on top of it overwriting files here-and-there, is there a better way? |
| 22:46.50 | drwahl | well, thanks for the help. i will read up on the man pages |
| 22:46.55 | scatterp | n3kl, i also asked on 6 networks in debian channels |
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| 22:47.09 | scatterp | n3kl, i recieved a little help nothing successfull people said kernel bug |
| 22:47.17 | scatterp | n3kl, no encryption |
| 22:47.25 | scatterp | n3kl, remember i can iwlist wlan2 scan and see it |
| 22:47.31 | n3kl | scatterp: which it could be a bug |
| 22:47.54 | scatterp | n3kl, for some reason my wifi0 cant iwconfig essid My-Linksys |
| 22:47.59 | n3kl | scatterp: so if you do iwconfig wlan2 essid bla, you get not associated? |
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| 22:48.28 | scatterp | n3kl, i agree but there would be a course of action to solve it some how i mean something i can do even if its not a complete fix like something less than a reboot |
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| 22:48.37 | scatterp | n3kl, correct not associated |
| 22:48.44 | scatterp | n3kl, would you like to ssh in ? |
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| 22:49.02 | scatterp | n3kl, might be easyer ... |
| 22:49.11 | n3kl | scatterp: don't ever offer that |
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| 22:49.27 | n3kl | scatterp: what mode is you adapter in? |
| 22:49.37 | scatterp | n3kl, ive been trying to get things working for 4 days and im sure your a decent chap your trying to help me after all |
| 22:49.55 | scatterp | managed |
| 22:49.56 | n3kl | scatterp: doesn't matter |
| 22:50.01 | n3kl | alright |
| 22:50.05 | n3kl | hmm |
| 22:50.11 | infinitycircuit | can you switch it to associate? |
| 22:50.54 | scatterp | infinitycircuit, i dont know how |
| 22:50.59 | n3kl | scatterp: can you paste the output of the iwconfig wlan2 essid bla and also just iwconfig |
| 22:51.12 | scatterp | iwconfig essid bla |
| 22:51.14 | scatterp | no output |
| 22:51.17 | infinitycircuit | modprobe <driver> associate=1 maybe |
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| 22:51.42 | n3kl | infinitycircuit: what is the associate flag? |
| 22:51.43 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f27c48598 |
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| 22:51.58 | scatterp | which connection should i switch to associate mode |
| 22:52.31 | n3kl | scatterp: why do you have so many? |
| 22:52.38 | scatterp | n3kl, since rebooting fixs it something must need restarting |
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| 22:52.46 | scatterp | n3kl, it would be great if any worked :) |
| 22:52.53 | n3kl | scatterp: could be a udev thing |
| 22:53.00 | scatterp | n3kl, when the issue came up i added 1 more to see if it helped |
| 22:53.05 | scatterp | whats the udev thing |
| 22:53.07 | n3kl | scatterp: you say rebooting *does* fix it? |
| 22:53.08 | scatterp | is that usb based ? |
| 22:53.14 | \amethyst | whoo, going through the perl and ocaml transitions... been putting it off for a while |
| 22:53.17 | scatterp | n3kl, yes then it comes back some time later |
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| 22:53.49 | n3kl | scatterp: how many physical cards are you working with now? |
| 22:53.54 | scatterp | 3 |
| 22:54.00 | n3kl | shy? |
| 22:54.03 | scatterp | 4 if you include wired |
| 22:54.03 | n3kl | why? |
| 22:54.11 | scatterp | well i just had 2 before |
| 22:54.17 | scatterp | i added one more when it stoped working |
| 22:54.24 | scatterp | to see if it was maybe a driver related issue |
| 22:54.34 | n3kl | scatterp: I would test with just one |
| 22:54.48 | roe_ | I have a debian NAT box, I can png through it, I can ssh through it but I can't browse the web through it (http(s)) |
| 22:54.51 | scatterp | i mean 3 cards all not working must tell us somethings about the issue right |
| 22:55.03 | scatterp | n3kl, i did that if you mean ifconfig down the cards |
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| 22:55.14 | scatterp | if you wish i can physicaly remove the usb card |
| 22:55.24 | n3kl | roe_: might ask #iptables, also paste your iptables-save |
| 22:55.43 | roe_ | will do |
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| 22:55.50 | n3kl | scatterp: well, I am thinking. Remove all but one wireless card, reboot to get it to work, then find out what breaks it. |
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| 22:55.58 | RichiH | i need the debian swirl in ascii format. perhaps 15 by 15 |
| 22:56.02 | RichiH | any takers? |
| 22:56.03 | scatterp | n3kl, how do i find out what breaks it |
| 22:56.09 | scatterp | n3kl, it just happens on its own ... |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | RichiH: there are programs to convert |
| 22:56.16 | n3kl | RichiH: apt-get install linux-log |
| 22:56.26 | scatterp | n3kl, i took usb out so thats 1 down |
| 22:56.54 | n3kl | scatterp: there is also an ifupdown rule in /udev/rules.d that might be causing issues. Might *try* moving the file to *.bak and see if that helps |
| 22:56.54 | RichiH | n3kl: does not exist |
| 22:57.00 | scatterp | n3kl, the internal card seems stuck in monitor mode for some reason if i remove the remaining external card we will be working on another issue before geting to the issue |
| 22:57.05 | n3kl | RichiH: maybe its just linuxlog |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | !info jp2a |
| 22:57.09 | n3kl | linuxlogo |
| 22:57.12 | RichiH | abrotman: hmm, yah. convert should be able to do that |
| 22:57.17 | scatterp | n3kl, is udev usb ? |
| 22:57.20 | RichiH | n3kl: no |
| 22:57.33 | n3kl | scatterp: no, its a device control subsystem |
| 22:57.43 | scatterp | ok |
| 22:57.44 | abrotman | waits for the bot |
| 22:57.56 | dpkg | jp2a: (converts jpg images to ascii), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:58.07 | scatterp | mv /udev/rules.d /udev/rulesd.bak right ? |
| 22:58.20 | n3kl | RichiH: dunno, I have linuxlogo package installed |
| 22:58.26 | n3kl | scatterp: no |
| 22:58.40 | n3kl | just the rule in the rules.d directory |
| 22:59.02 | RichiH | n3kl: ah yah, the o was missing |
| 22:59.02 | RichiH | ta |
| 22:59.07 | RichiH | abrotman: same |
| 22:59.10 | abrotman | same? |
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| 22:59.11 | n3kl | scatterp: is there an ifupdown in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 22:59.17 | n3kl | RichiH: ah |
| 22:59.22 | n3kl | RichiH: my fault |
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| 22:59.58 | scatterp | n3kl, i dont seem to have a rules.d folder in /etc/udev |
| 23:00.10 | scatterp | oh i do sorry |
| 23:00.12 | scatterp | looking |
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| 23:00.38 | scatterp | n3kl, theres an ifup and a ifdown |
| 23:00.45 | n3kl | scatterp: are you running lenny? |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | RichiH: same what ? |
| 23:00.46 | scatterp | seprately |
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| 23:00.51 | scatterp | no etch |
| 23:00.56 | n3kl | scatterp: hmm |
| 23:00.57 | scatterp | backported kernel |
| 23:00.57 | n3kl | wierd |
| 23:01.05 | scatterp | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 23:01.05 | n3kl | why? |
| 23:01.11 | scatterp | driver support |
| 23:01.15 | n3kl | for what? |
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| 23:01.28 | scatterp | iwl3945 |
| 23:01.39 | n3kl | scatterp: dood, thats probably half your issue |
| 23:01.48 | scatterp | n3kl, the backported kernel ? |
| 23:01.52 | n3kl | scatterp: iwl3945 exists in etch, not backported |
| 23:02.07 | scatterp | n3kl, i needed to compile it with patches |
| 23:02.08 | infinitycircuit | what does it mean when dpkg -l lists "pi" as the status of a package? |
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| 23:02.13 | n3kl | scatterp: dunno, this seems like a hardware/module issue, so its highly possible there is a kernel problem |
| 23:02.29 | Decepticon | what do i need to fix so that i see lines in my terminal instead of dashes ------ (ncurses app) |
| 23:02.30 | scatterp | i heard others say its the kernel |
| 23:02.34 | scatterp | so should i change kernels ? |
| 23:02.38 | scatterp | maybe to a newer one ? |
| 23:02.39 | n3kl | scatterp: couldn't you patch the one that comes with etch? |
| 23:02.47 | \amethyst | infinitycircuit: installed but marked to be purged |
| 23:02.56 | scatterp | n3kl, if i knew how i didnt want to bother you guys with more questions :( |
| 23:03.05 | scatterp | n3kl, i have patch files.. |
| 23:03.20 | n3kl | scatterp: how did you patch the one that you backported? |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | Decepticon: uhm .. that's how it should be ? |
| 23:03.30 | scatterp | patch -i patchfile |
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| 23:03.38 | Decepticon | abrotman im seeing dashes |
| 23:03.39 | scatterp | wait |
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| 23:03.42 | scatterp | i didnt patch the kernel |
| 23:03.46 | scatterp | i patched the driver |
| 23:03.49 | infinitycircuit | thanks |
| 23:03.51 | n3kl | scatterp: you patched the module |
| 23:03.53 | n3kl | right |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | Decepticon: sounds normal |
| 23:03.56 | scatterp | compat-wireless |
| 23:04.00 | n3kl | scatterp: I think that is your issue man |
| 23:04.00 | scatterp | was what i patched |
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| 23:04.10 | n3kl | scatterp: you still trying to hack networks? |
| 23:04.19 | scatterp | no i gave up |
| 23:04.23 | Decepticon | abrotman i think its supposed to be a line |
| 23:04.31 | n3kl | they why patch? |
| 23:04.35 | scatterp | i patched before that |
| 23:04.41 | scatterp | a few days back |
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| 23:04.58 | miksuh | isn't there some ipw3945 stuff in etch non-free and contrib repositories? |
| 23:05.03 | Decepticon | abrotman for example if i go elinks, i will see dashes... i know its supposed to be a box... with lines, not dashes |
| 23:05.11 | scatterp | now im just trying to get a normal internet connection and use debian as a os |
| 23:05.14 | Janos | hi there, trying to install etch on a sunfire v210 server, but having video issues, the installer seems to be running but all i get is a blank screen, already tried passing the video=atyfb:off option but no luck, any idea ? |
| 23:05.17 | abrotman | Decepticon: screenshot ? |
| 23:05.23 | n3kl | scatterp: I think the installed or the patch got messed up. Crossing modules from other kernels is surely not something I would recomend |
| 23:05.27 | abrotman | atifb ? |
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| 23:05.41 | scatterp | n3kl ok so whats the way to fix it ? |
| 23:05.52 | scatterp | n3kl, should i reinstall perhaps ? |
| 23:05.54 | miksuh | I don't have any of those cards, but i think you don't need 2.6.24 |
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| 23:06.18 | scatterp | n3kl, change kernel change iwl3945 driver change wireless compat im lost :/ |
| 23:06.20 | RichiH | abrotman: thanks to you, as well |
| 23:06.35 | n3kl | scatterp: well, etch is still on 2.6.18. I would install that kernel, that module source. See if you can make it work then. *Then* patch the module source for the etch kernel and test with that |
| 23:06.42 | Janos | abrotman, well according to debian documentation the correct param is atyfb:off, weird i know |
| 23:06.58 | Decepticon | abrotman http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7525/ncursesya7.png |
| 23:07.01 | scatterp | n3kl, i can boot to that version i have it in grub |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | Janos: okay then |
| 23:07.13 | scatterp | n3kl, whats that command to list kernels ? |
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| 23:07.15 | abrotman | Decepticon: that's perfectly normal |
| 23:07.22 | n3kl | scatterp: ls /boot |
| 23:07.36 | n3kl | abrotman: how long have you been working with linux? |
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| 23:07.45 | scatterp | ok i have erm let me paste it |
| 23:07.48 | Decepticon | abrotman i remember using a shell and it had lines instead of dashes... so these things looked like legit boxes instead of cardboard signs. how do i get that? |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | n3kl: professionally ? or just using ? |
| 23:07.55 | n3kl | abrotman: both |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | Decepticon: might have been a different toolkit |
| 23:08.00 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f405b5355 |
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| 23:08.16 | infinitycircuit | Decepticon: mine has lines rather than dashes but its on a sidux install so i don't know if some setting is different there |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | n3kl: uhm .. 10 years .. and paying job .. 7-8 i think |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | god i'm old |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | n3kl: wait .. no .. using longer |
| 23:08.39 | Decepticon | infinitycircuit what do your corners look like, where your lines meet |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | but only paid for since i graduated |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | n3kl: why? |
| 23:08.56 | infinitycircuit | Decepticon: they look like corners |
| 23:09.10 | n3kl | abrotman: you helped me in here a few years ago when I got started with debian, and you are always in here. |
| 23:09.12 | scatterp | n3kl, so shall i reboot to 2.6.18 and we take it from there? |
| 23:09.26 | n3kl | abrotman: you are sort of the beloved grandfather of the room =] |
| 23:09.26 | abrotman | n3kl: ah .. sorry you had to suffer my help :) |
| 23:09.28 | Janos | anyone with experience with sun servers ? |
| 23:09.38 | abrotman | n3kl: hardly .. there were people here long before me |
| 23:09.40 | infinitycircuit | Decepticon: this is elinks-lite |
| 23:09.40 | n3kl | scatterp: I would boot the 2.6.18 kernel and try to install the modue for that |
| 23:09.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, whats the name of the application of gnome to manage users and groups? |
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| 23:09.44 | Decepticon | infinitycircuit look at my corners http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/226/ncursessb4.png |
| 23:09.56 | Decepticon | infinitycircuit it is the same for another ncurses app |
| 23:09.59 | scatterp | n3kl, ok thanks for helping me i really appriciate it be right back |
| 23:10.01 | Decepticon | not just elinks-lite |
| 23:10.02 | vasuvi | Is editing /etc/modules the proper way to get a kernel module to load on boot? |
| 23:10.03 | infinitycircuit | i don't know then what's up sorry |
| 23:10.04 | n3kl | abrotman: there might be a couple contenders, but the room appreciates you |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | n3kl: some days |
| 23:10.29 | n3kl | haha |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: users-admin |
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| 23:11.03 | n3kl | you have gotten less patient with incompetence |
| 23:11.14 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: all this stuff is under the Administration in GNome |
| 23:11.16 | abrotman | n3kl: eh ? |
| 23:11.23 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, the name of the pkg? |
| 23:11.29 | abrotman | n3kl: you're saying i'm knowing less than i used to ? |
| 23:11.34 | abrotman | !tell gonzaloaf about search |
| 23:11.39 | n3kl | abrotman: No, people just need some slapping every now and then, thas all. |
| 23:11.41 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, because I dont have this menu entry |
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| 23:12.10 | abrotman | n3kl: oh okay ... |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | !find bin/users-admin etch |
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| 23:12.36 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 23:12.41 | batcoder-7 | i got a weird problem |
| 23:12.49 | batcoder-7 | ok so i got the ndis stuff al worked out |
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| 23:12.53 | scatterp | n3kl, ok back on the other kernel |
| 23:13.12 | batcoder-7 | when i turn my computer on it detects the usb adapter etc but gives errors now when i wait and plug it in it works and starts up a wlan0 |
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| 23:13.19 | batcoder-7 | how cna i fix this ? |
| 23:13.19 | scatterp | n3kl, now what would i do to get my wireless to life i dont want to just start turning on cards because i might install drivers from the other kernel or something wrong |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: on lenny it's in gnome-system-tools |
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| 23:13.52 | n3kl | scatterp: install the module |
| 23:13.57 | scatterp | n3kl, how should i do that ? |
| 23:14.02 | batcoder-7 | anyone ? |
| 23:14.03 | scatterp | n3kl, apt-get iwl3945 ? |
| 23:14.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/users-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/users-admin) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 23:14.07 | n3kl | scatterp: how did you do it before |
| 23:14.09 | n3kl | ? |
| 23:14.24 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I was found it already |
| 23:14.24 | infinitycircuit | the bot dpkg has so many cool features i didn't know about |
| 23:14.27 | scatterp | n3kl, i followed instructions on some site involved patching it and downloading a tar.gz |
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| 23:14.41 | n3kl | and you wonder why you have problems |
| 23:14.44 | scatterp | n3kl, i think i may need to remove sid from my sources list and not use backported stuff ? |
| 23:14.49 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: then why did you ask me?! |
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| 23:15.04 | n3kl | scatterp: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i iwl3945 |
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| 23:15.19 | n3kl | scatterp: is it iwl or ipw? |
| 23:15.23 | scatterp | iwl |
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| 23:15.29 | n3kl | scatterp: do that |
| 23:15.32 | micols | how do i make cross device links work with nfs? |
| 23:15.36 | Ryan52 | Is there a program that will suck up a ton of memory (on purpose)? I'm trying to test a script but I need to suck up a gig and a half of ram...and that's not easy to do :D. |
| 23:15.39 | micols | i suppose hardlinking? |
| 23:15.55 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I found it after you told me users-admin and was searching |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | Ryan52: iceweasel ? :) |
| 23:15.59 | n3kl | micols: you can't hardlink accross devices |
| 23:16.04 | micols | what then n3kl ? |
| 23:16.09 | scatterp | module-assistant is already the newest version. |
| 23:16.09 | scatterp | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:16.09 | scatterp | iwl3945, what is iwl3945? |
| 23:16.10 | micols | not possible? |
| 23:16.22 | Ryan52 | abrotman: tried that :D |
| 23:16.27 | n3kl | micols: you have to export both directories and mount them in the same location on teh client machine as the server machine |
| 23:16.36 | miksuh | bluez |
| 23:16.36 | micols | :( |
| 23:16.38 | n3kl | scatterp: isn't that the driver you need? |
| 23:16.46 | scatterp | yeah |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | Ryan52: you did it wrong .. set your home page to adobe.com .. install flash .. open 200 tabs :) |
| 23:16.50 | miksuh | damn, wrong keyboard, sorry :) |
| 23:17.06 | n3kl | scatterp: to m-a a-i ipw3945 if that is the right module |
| 23:17.12 | micols | n3kl: can i mount a nfs share twice in different locations? |
| 23:17.22 | micols | i got torrents which i want in /nfs/bigdaddy and in /nfs/torrents |
| 23:17.26 | scatterp | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwl3945 |
| 23:17.29 | n3kl | micols: you could do something similar in nfs4 actually |
| 23:17.36 | micols | i only got 3 |
| 23:17.37 | n3kl | micols: come to think of it |
| 23:17.54 | cafuego | micols: of course |
| 23:17.55 | scatterp | n3kl, i had iwl3945 before ? |
| 23:17.55 | n3kl | micols: get 4 or follow my earlier suggestion |
| 23:17.56 | micols | but sounds cool |
| 23:17.58 | n3kl | scatterp: isn't that what I typed |
| 23:18.05 | cafuego | micols: remotely *or* locally via a bind mount |
| 23:18.12 | scatterp | n3kl, no you typed ipw3945 |
| 23:18.24 | scatterp | <n3kl> scatterp: to m-a a-i ipw3945 if that is the right module |
| 23:18.38 | micols | why would i need a bind mount cafuego , isnt a normal mount going to work twice in differnt locations? |
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| 23:18.41 | n3kl | cafuego: will nfs export a bind mounted cross device directory? |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 23:18.56 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:19.00 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 23:19.00 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 23:19.17 | micols | n3kl: just thought about that too.. the kernel should recognize it as a normal folder |
| 23:19.17 | n3kl | nice! |
| 23:19.26 | scatterp | n3kl, debian:/home/scatterp# m-a a-i iwl3945 |
| 23:19.26 | scatterp | iwl3945, what is iwl3945? |
| 23:19.30 | n3kl | worth a test |
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| 23:19.43 | n3kl | scatterp: dood, its you fscking module |
| 23:19.47 | cafuego | iwl3945 is the intel wireless driver |
| 23:19.59 | yitz_ | How do I make an iso from a CD (preferably on the CLI)? |
| 23:20.04 | scatterp | n3kl, what should i do ? |
| 23:20.06 | micols | i get "no init" try passing init= to the kernel when i boot after i xfs_check'ed my fs, what can i do? |
| 23:20.11 | cafuego | yitz_: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/cd.iso |
| 23:20.17 | micols | i did try resucie with a debian cd, my /dev/md0 has sbin/init |
| 23:20.21 | micols | /sbin/init |
| 23:20.25 | micols | and its 32KB so should be ok? |
| 23:20.25 | yitz_ | cafuego: Thanks |
| 23:20.36 | micols | also the kernel failure says it tried xfs mount |
| 23:20.40 | n3kl | !tell scatterp about iwl3945 |
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| 23:21.42 | Ryan52 | abrotman: iceweasel crashed at about 50 :P |
| 23:22.15 | abrotman | tries to feel bad |
| 23:22.18 | scatterp | n3kl, i did that it didnt work ill paste |
| 23:22.32 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/m5bcfaaf7 |
| 23:22.58 | n3kl | scatterp: you need to install the module |
| 23:23.37 | scatterp | n3kl, i did everything dpkg said |
| 23:23.45 | scatterp | n3kl, how would i do that ? |
| 23:24.05 | n3kl | try update-modules |
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| 23:24.31 | scatterp | ok i did that |
| 23:24.36 | scatterp | and rerun the original command |
| 23:24.40 | scatterp | no effect :( |
| 23:24.49 | n3kl | scatterp: can you use the ipw3945 on this device? |
| 23:24.55 | scatterp | i dont think so |
| 23:25.01 | n3kl | I thought iwl and ipw were interchangeable |
| 23:25.21 | n3kl | I don't own intel, so I don't knwo |
| 23:25.30 | scatterp | why does the iwl3495 not work ? |
| 23:25.59 | n3kl | scatterp: dunno. Try this http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 23:26.59 | n3kl | scatterp: gives some common problems at the bottom |
| 23:27.22 | n3kl | also, might do a find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname "*iwl*" and see if the module exists |
| 23:28.01 | jpin | anyone using netbeans around here? |
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| 23:30.17 | micols | anyone know why OpenOffice opens in (readonly) mode when opening .xls files over nfs share, nfs share is mounted rw: cpq:/bigdaddy on /nfs/bigdaddy type nfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,addr=.. |
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| 23:30.44 | micols | it doesnt do so when file is in /home |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | and if you copy it local? |
| 23:31.09 | scatterp | n3kl, i dont see it there |
| 23:31.17 | stew | micols: do you have write permission to the file you are opening? |
| 23:31.29 | scatterp | n3kl, i read that page it does offer an option to solve the issue i had in the other kernel |
| 23:31.30 | n3kl | micols: look at the permissions. That will usually tell you. |
| 23:31.33 | micols | yes -rw------- 1 michael michael |
| 23:31.39 | micols | no execute though. |
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| 23:31.43 | n3kl | scatterp: run find to see if you have the module |
| 23:32.17 | scatterp | n3kl, i did there was an error in the command |
| 23:32.19 | scatterp | just goes to > |
| 23:32.22 | scatterp | so i tryed to look manualy |
| 23:32.25 | scatterp | i dont see it |
| 23:32.32 | scatterp | n3kl, output is > |
| 23:32.51 | n3kl | scatterp: do find /usr/lib/`uname -r` -iname "*iwl*" |
| 23:33.09 | stew | or "modprobe -l | grep iwl" |
| 23:33.35 | n3kl | stew: news to me =] |
| 23:33.47 | scatterp | not found with both |
| 23:33.59 | stew | scatterp: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:34.06 | scatterp | 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 23:34.13 | stew | scatterp: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 23:34.15 | n3kl | those instructions don't seem right. It installs the firmware, great, but what about the module |
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| 23:34.42 | scatterp | n3kl, the wifi site you gave me offers the same instructions |
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| 23:35.29 | stew | scatterp: you'd need a 2.6.24 kernel ; /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:35.36 | scatterp | lol |
| 23:35.43 | scatterp | n3kl, see thats why :) |
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| 23:35.52 | stew | oh this is the guy trying to crack wireless keys |
| 23:35.53 | scatterp | stew, ok i have one |
| 23:36.01 | scatterp | stew, i stoped.. |
| 23:36.02 | n3kl | stew: yeah |
| 23:36.17 | scatterp | stew, now i am just trying to get a wireless connection |
| 23:36.18 | scatterp | :( |
| 23:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 23:36.45 | scatterp | using debian even as a basic os seems an incermountable task |
| 23:36.53 | n3kl | can't you use ipw3945 for your driver in 2.6.18? Whats wrong with that. Its two modules for the same card |
| 23:37.12 | scatterp | n3kl, i understood that it didnt work with my card |
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| 23:38.04 | Taime1 | doesanyone know if after installing e16, engage isincluded or available? engage is the mac-like doc |
| 23:38.30 | n3kl | !tell scatterp about ipw3945 |
| 23:38.44 | n3kl | scatterp: read that. You are not running lenny |
| 23:38.48 | dryrot | cracking wireless keys in an OS is always a gigantic insane usually completely impossible task |
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| 23:39.02 | n3kl | dryrot: not true |
| 23:39.03 | scatterp | 0o ok |
| 23:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | incermountable? |
| 23:39.22 | dryrot | can you crack wpa2 ? |
| 23:39.22 | dryrot | i cant ! |
| 23:39.25 | scatterp | CutMeOwnThroat wasnt sure how to spell it |
| 23:39.25 | n3kl | I know, but word |
| 23:39.35 | dryrot | i relaly wish i could |
| 23:39.46 | dryrot | my buildings phone lines got cut by morons |
| 23:39.46 | n3kl | dryrot: aircrack-ng |
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| 23:39.55 | dryrot | you can crack wpa2? really? that's amazing |
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| 23:40.18 | n3kl | dryrot: go to their website. Wireless cracking is illegal |
| 23:40.31 | dryrot | go to who's website? i did not know WPA2 was a company |
| 23:40.36 | dryrot | anyway i dont care, crack away |
| 23:40.59 | n3kl | dryrot: I am jsut saying, this is probably not the place for talk of breaking into networks |
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| 23:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | not?! |
| 23:41.11 | dryrot | im not the one breaking into networks! |
| 23:41.13 | streuner | no |
| 23:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even social networks? |
| 23:41.21 | n3kl | dryrot: understood |
| 23:41.27 | Taime1 | so...anyone? |
| 23:41.33 | n3kl | Taime1: nope |
| 23:41.43 | n3kl | Taime1: jk, whats your malfunction |
| 23:41.46 | stew | Taime1: what is engage? an application? |
| 23:41.59 | streuner | the last guy here who talked about wasn't long here... |
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| 23:42.04 | Taime1 | just wondering if engage is part of e16.. or a seperatae program |
| 23:42.14 | n3kl | streuner: bout what? |
| 23:42.14 | stew | Taime1: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 23:42.37 | streuner | using internet without paying ;-) |
| 23:42.43 | Taime1 | file=the file in question? |
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| 23:42.44 | scatterp | n3kl, ok im back on that driver |
| 23:42.46 | rtrfix | Hello |
| 23:42.47 | micols | anyone know why OpenOffice opens in (readonly) mode when opening .xls files over nfs share, nfs share is mounted rw: cpq:/bigdaddy on /nfs/bigdaddy type nfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,addr=.. |
| 23:42.49 | n3kl | ah |
| 23:42.53 | scatterp | wireless :D |
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| 23:42.56 | n3kl | scatterp: does it work? |
| 23:42.56 | micols | its openoffice 2.0 and i dont have any option of installing later versions. |
| 23:42.58 | rtrfix | anyone ever setup bgp session on a riverstone? |
| 23:42.59 | scatterp | can we make my other cards work ? |
| 23:43.05 | scatterp | seems so i thought it didnt |
| 23:43.10 | micols | seems to do with file locking, how do i disable file locking in oo? |
| 23:43.14 | n3kl | scatterp: does this one work? |
| 23:43.30 | scatterp | well i dont know yet |
| 23:43.33 | scatterp | i rebooted |
| 23:43.39 | scatterp | so maybe it will do same as before ? |
| 23:43.46 | n3kl | scatterp: dood, I told you to use that driver like an hour ago. |
| 23:43.48 | n3kl | scatterp: I doubt it |
| 23:44.02 | stew | Taime1: apt-file is a utility that will let you search for packages which supply a particular file, so if you are looking for 'what package if any provides the engage program', apt-file would help answer that |
| 23:44.17 | scatterp | sorry i didnt listen the first time i am trying to remember so much info that i learned here it gets hard |
| 23:44.19 | n3kl | scatterp: debian is not incermountable. Please don't engineer the situation to fall on its face and then call it debians fault |
| 23:44.35 | scatterp | i thought it was not going to work for some reason |
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| 23:44.39 | n3kl | scatterp: meh, its all learning |
| 23:44.44 | scatterp | yeah |
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| 23:44.57 | n3kl | scatterp: anyway, hope it works. I am off to class |
| 23:45.06 | scatterp | thanks a lot for helping me |
| 23:45.14 | scatterp | stew can you help me with my other 2 cards ? |
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| 23:45.58 | stew | scatterp: not me |
| 23:46.18 | streuner | scatterp: http://times.debian.net/#1250 |
| 23:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Taime1: no, he meant "message the bot for apt-file" |
| 23:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Taime1 -about apt-file |
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| 23:46.38 | scatterp | looking |
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| 23:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, did it for you --> see the answer |
| 23:47.23 | batcoder-7 | hey i need some help |
| 23:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and I think it was "insourmountable" - never heared the word before |
| 23:47.32 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever setup wpa_supplicant ? |
| 23:47.40 | batcoder-7 | heres my error http://phpfi.com/328795 |
| 23:47.47 | streuner | not with ndiswrapper, no |
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| 23:48.01 | scatterp | streuner, intresting nice computer at the top |
| 23:48.06 | streuner | don't even know if its possible or not |
| 23:48.07 | batcoder-7 | dont even think its a ndiswrapper problem |
| 23:48.15 | batcoder-7 | man 5 hours on this almost got it though i think |
| 23:48.16 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 23:48.47 | stew | batcoder-7: it seems to be saying that you should be providing a PSK that is between 8 and 63 characters, but yours is 64 |
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| 23:49.51 | batcoder-7 | is there a siz difference betwrern wpa1 and wpa2 ? |
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| 23:52.54 | batcoder-7 | stew: arent psk strings longer then 8-23 ? |
| 23:53.04 | batcoder-7 | or can i set it myself how long ? |
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| 23:55.49 | batcoder-7 | is a shared key a PSK ? |
| 23:56.46 | stew | batcoder-7: a psk is a "private shared key" iirc |
| 23:56.59 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPA2 |
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| 23:57.25 | batcoder-7 | pl so it is a shjared key |
| 23:57.26 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
| 23:57.26 | batcoder-7 | wtf |
| 23:57.38 | batcoder-7 | these things are longer then 8-63 |
| 23:57.50 | batcoder-7 | atleast the ones my router generates, i can make them smaller, should i do so ? |
| 23:57.51 | jbinder | batcoder-7: You highlighted me! |
| 23:57.57 | jbinder | 19:57:25 < batcoder-7> pl so it is a shjared key |
| 23:58.02 | jbinder | "jared" |
| 23:58.08 | batcoder-7 | aplogizes |
| 23:58.10 | jbinder | /kb batcoder-7 |
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| 23:58.19 | batcoder-7 | lol? |
| 23:58.59 | stew | batcoder-7: i think there are two ways to supply a key, to supply the key itself, or to supply a passphrase to generate a key. you have a key, but are try to use it as a passphrase |
| 23:59.28 | batcoder-7 | stew: my router only spits out a key no passphrase |
