| 00:00.39 | adama | frosty2: you may need a cross-wired cable between the xbox and eth0 |
| 00:00.51 | frosty2 | adama, cross wired? |
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| 00:01.25 | TehMarz | pingouin: Okay, got 1.0.0. |
| 00:01.54 | frosty2 | adama, i'm just using an ethernet cable between the two |
| 00:01.56 | adama | frosty2: yes are the little blink lights on the PCI ethernet card lighted? or no |
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| 00:02.18 | frosty2 | adama, lemme check |
| 00:03.05 | pingouin | TehMarz: now try again, without re-installing, and then, if it's not ok, reinstall the game |
| 00:03.14 | frosty2 | adama, doesn't look like it :( |
| 00:03.38 | adama | frosty2: cross wired ethernet cable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable |
| 00:04.38 | frosty2 | what is the diff from mine and that |
| 00:04.53 | frosty2 | adama, ? |
| 00:04.56 | adama | frosty2: the cable ends are wired differently |
| 00:05.08 | frosty2 | adama, you think that's it? |
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| 00:05.47 | adama | frosty2: if you have no link lights, then yes definitely |
| 00:06.04 | adama | frosty2: or possibly a bad cable or port on either the xbox or eth0 |
| 00:06.27 | frosty2 | i think it's the cable then :P....i'll try for a dollar off of ebay |
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| 00:07.05 | adama | frosty2: you will need a crossover cable to complete this. It's unfortunate because most modern ethernet ports are auto-sensing, i.e. they don't care what kind of cable you use |
| 00:07.24 | frosty2 | adama, this used to be a windows 98 pc |
| 00:07.31 | frosty2 | it's not exactly brand new |
| 00:07.33 | adama | nice |
| 00:08.05 | adama | well this is an excellent use of an older computer |
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| 00:08.53 | frosty2 | adama, you think? |
| 00:08.56 | adama | frosty2: anyways you need two more commands to have a working gateway |
| 00:09.08 | frosty2 | adama, ? |
| 00:09.11 | frosty2 | adama, go for it |
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| 00:09.15 | littleball | hello, who is using www.eurovps.com? I want to subscribe but want to know their reliability |
| 00:09.19 | adama | frosty2: definitely. perfectly functional and totally cusomizable |
| 00:09.44 | frosty2 | adama, with dreamlinux it's actually aestically pleasing and runs at a relatively fast speed... |
| 00:09.56 | frosty2 | linux gives new "life" to old machines |
| 00:10.01 | adama | frosty2: sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:10.04 | adama | exactly |
| 00:10.31 | adama | frosty2: that will tell the kernel to forward traffic between the interface |
| 00:10.33 | frosty2 | adama, permission denied |
| 00:10.47 | frosty2 | even w/ sudo |
| 00:11.18 | adama | frosty2: hmm, su -c 'echo ...' ? |
| 00:11.37 | adama | how about cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:11.42 | adama | what does that say |
| 00:11.50 | frosty2 | 0 |
| 00:11.54 | frosty2 | is what it says |
| 00:12.48 | frosty2 | what'cha think |
| 00:13.01 | adama | frosty2: right, ok that's good, the file exists. We need it to say 1 |
| 00:13.18 | frosty | adama, go for it |
| 00:13.18 | adama | what's ls -l /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say? |
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| 00:14.15 | TehMarz | That was the sound of Wine throwing me back to the Debian login screen. |
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| 00:16.20 | adama | frosty2: anything? |
| 00:16.31 | frosty2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 4 22:12 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:17.24 | adama | frosty2: do this: sudo su |
| 00:17.33 | frosty | adama, that's it? |
| 00:17.35 | adama | then echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 00:19.09 | frosty2 | adama, uh....... nothing comes up |
| 00:19.18 | adama | frosty2: ok that's fine |
| 00:19.24 | troubled | chanop around? |
| 00:19.32 | adama | frosty2: now does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say 1? |
| 00:19.57 | frosty2 | yea |
| 00:20.02 | ryty | sudo su -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 00:20.03 | ryty | works too |
| 00:20.07 | ryty | one liner |
| 00:20.16 | adama | frosty2: excellent!! we are almost there |
| 00:20.17 | frosty2 | ryty: good call |
| 00:20.31 | frosty2 | why does xchat beep every time i type a letter? |
| 00:20.49 | ryty | frosty: it likes you ;-) |
| 00:21.00 | frosty2 | ryty: i wish it was mutual. |
| 00:21.04 | frosty2 | it is annoying. |
| 00:21.18 | frosty2 | especially with these giant words in my vocabulary :X |
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| 00:21.38 | adama | frosty2: last command: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 00:22.05 | adama | as root |
| 00:22.11 | frosty2 | adama, got it..nothing comes up |
| 00:22.25 | adama | then everything will work! once you put in a crossover cable :/ |
| 00:23.08 | troubled | Maulkin: ping |
| 00:23.12 | frosty2 | adama, THANKS! |
| 00:23.25 | frosty2 | adama, now, to find a ridiculously cheap crossover cable on ebay |
| 00:23.29 | adama | you owe me $200 |
| 00:23.32 | frosty2 | adama, is that all i search for? |
| 00:23.39 | frosty2 | adama, paypal my friend... |
| 00:23.42 | adama | hehe |
| 00:23.48 | ryty | frosty2: also "iptables -L -v" to verify rules are hitting everything you mean for them to. Helps a lot with troubleshooting. |
| 00:23.58 | adama | sure, or you can get them at computer stores, probably be quicker |
| 00:24.27 | frosty2 | does it matter which end i use for a crossover cable? |
| 00:24.30 | ryty | also more expensive, depending on your locality |
| 00:24.36 | adama | frosty2: no |
| 00:24.40 | frosty2 | ryty, no kidding |
| 00:24.47 | frosty2 | radioshack is ridiculous |
| 00:24.47 | ryty | frosty2: as long as one end is T568A and the other is T568B |
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| 00:25.11 | frosty2 | so just search for "ethernet crossover cable" ? |
| 00:25.22 | ryty | I personally use ehdmi.com for my cables |
| 00:25.32 | ryty | they're fairly cheap |
| 00:25.37 | ryty | even for fancy cables |
| 00:26.18 | frosty2 | ryty: wow it even says specifically for xbox...wonderful |
| 00:26.25 | frosty2 | ryty, shipping? |
| 00:26.34 | frosty2 | how much does that bring up the $1 cost? |
| 00:26.51 | ryty | shipping does cost some money, but the price of the cable + shipping is STILL less than radioshack. |
| 00:27.18 | micols | Any idea why i get "nfs: server 192.168.0.1 not responding, still trying and OK" and my apt-get install nfs-common hangs? it is a diskless debian client which has nfs-root which it boots from? |
| 00:27.21 | frosty2 | now, here is the choice: crossover for 3.50 total on ebay.....or $1.10 + shipping on ebuyhd.com |
| 00:27.22 | frosty2 | argh. |
| 00:27.28 | ryty | I bought a toslink switch with 2 toslink cables today...all together with shipping, <20 bucks |
| 00:27.36 | micols | it seems to hang at 94% after taking a few seconds to calculate the dependencies |
| 00:27.49 | micols | and then i just keep getting continious messages and my tty is dead. |
| 00:28.03 | frosty2 | adama, this will work on restart? |
| 00:28.23 | adama | frosty2: no you will need to re-enter those last 2 commands |
| 00:28.46 | frosty | adama: really |
| 00:28.47 | ryty | frosty2: echo them to rc.local if you want it on restart |
| 00:28.53 | frosty | ryty: how? |
| 00:29.11 | ryty | echo "command" >> /etc/rc.local |
| 00:29.18 | ryty | (as root) |
| 00:29.41 | frosty | adama, what were the commands again? |
| 00:29.49 | adama | frosty2: what I do (probably not the best solution) is hack the file: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server to run those commands in the "start" section (and corresponding reverse commands in the "stop" section) |
| 00:30.38 | ryty | poor dhcp3-server :-( |
| 00:30.42 | micols | do i need to set up a dns server for setting up a bridge in linux? with iptables |
| 00:30.47 | adama | frosty: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 00:30.58 | micols | i want my lan client to be able to go online they're hooked up to eth1 |
| 00:31.24 | frosty | adama, and that makes everything good on reboot? |
| 00:31.24 | ryty | micols: you could set up a DNS relay, or just forward the dns information you get out to the DHCP clients |
| 00:31.29 | micols | i guess it can use my isp's dns server? or if i just specify 192.168.0.1 ryty ? |
| 00:31.30 | frosty | wow. |
| 00:31.31 | adama | micols: you need to configure your DHCP server to provide a DNS server to clients |
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| 00:32.22 | adama | frosty: I'm outie! here's my dhcp3-server init file fyi |
| 00:32.28 | micols | option routers 192.168.0.1; |
| 00:32.28 | micols | option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1, 81.161.166.51; |
| 00:32.39 | frosty | adama, thx for your help!! |
| 00:32.42 | micols | thats what i got, but i dont have any dns servers running on 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:32.48 | micols | which is the machine running dhcpd3 |
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| 00:32.52 | frosty | adama, i'll be sure to tell you if it is working when i get the cable? |
| 00:32.55 | ryty | micols: than I would take that server out :-) |
| 00:33.05 | micols | ryty: what do you mean? |
| 00:33.10 | micols | ah |
| 00:33.28 | micols | the problem is that i dont get internet connection on the lan comps |
| 00:33.31 | micols | if i remove 192.* |
| 00:33.40 | micols | i still need to route dont i, using iptables? |
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| 00:34.04 | ryty | what I've done in the past is set up a DNS relay server so I could keep my DHCP server config the same and only worry about what I get through DHCP as far as DNS and relay to that |
| 00:34.14 | micols | so the dhcp server supplies the internet gateway's dns server to the clients |
| 00:34.16 | adama | frosty: http://pastebin.com/d586a17a0 - see lines 73-76 and 87-90 - replace eth0 with wlan0 |
| 00:34.39 | adama | bye!!!! PM me and I will see it eventually, I'm here 24/7 |
| 00:34.42 | micols | ryty: do i need iptables for this? |
| 00:34.43 | adama | beer o'clock :) |
| 00:34.51 | ryty | micols: yes. |
| 00:35.03 | ryty | for the masquerading part. |
| 00:35.41 | micols | right, but i assume setting up a dns server would be a waste of time :) |
| 00:35.47 | micols | suppling the isp's would be fine |
| 00:35.56 | ryty | micols: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 00:36.20 | ryty | it's not as hard as it looks really |
| 00:36.30 | ryty | and yes it should be fine |
| 00:36.49 | ryty | I like to have internal relays so that it can cache hostnames locally |
| 00:36.49 | micols | thats basically ip forward i guess |
| 00:37.17 | micols | ryty: internal relays? |
| 00:37.35 | ryty | i.e.: local DNS server forwarding requests to ISP DNS servers |
| 00:37.46 | ryty | you can set it up to locally cache DNS records for a bit |
| 00:37.55 | ryty | (makes browsing faster in some cases) |
| 00:38.03 | micols | but i would need a dns server for this, or can masquerading do this? |
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| 00:38.14 | micols | or some other iptables module |
| 00:38.23 | ryty | masquerading, for all intensive purposes, is the same idea as NAT |
| 00:38.39 | micols | yeah but caching of dns is a dns server duty isnt it? |
| 00:38.45 | ryty | DNS is a network service to provide name-to-IP resolution (and vice versa) |
| 00:38.48 | ryty | yes |
| 00:38.51 | micols | when i ask for google.com i ask the dns server for it |
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| 00:38.57 | ryty | yes |
| 00:39.09 | micols | so i DO need a dns server if i want faster browsing wont i?:) |
| 00:39.14 | ryty | but, say you ask a local DNS server for it, it goes out and finds it, and caches it |
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| 00:39.23 | ryty | so next time you ask, it gives you what it has cached |
| 00:39.34 | micols | yes.. i can then cache it all as much as i want, just like a caching proxy of some kind |
| 00:39.41 | ryty | yes |
| 00:39.50 | ryty | the advantage is speed and lack of bandwidth used |
| 00:40.17 | frosty2 | ryty: what do i need to add to those commands to make them go by themselves on startup? |
| 00:40.30 | frosty2 | the two that he said i had to do on startup |
| 00:40.40 | ryty | frosty2: echo them to /etc/rc.local |
| 00:41.12 | ryty | i.e.: echo "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" >> /etc/rc.local |
| 00:41.34 | ryty | and same with the other command. Just change out the command |
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| 00:44.31 | peterrooney | micols: why not install bind9? many tutorials about for making it a caching-only nameserver. might also want to add `prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1' to dhclient.conf so that you get to use it. |
| 00:45.10 | Tramp | frosty2: to permanently enable forwarding, edit /etc/sysctrl.conf. Search for forwarding and uncomment the relevant line |
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| 00:51.00 | ryty | frosty2: line 25 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:51.02 | micols | how do i enable iptables forwarding for eth0 to eth1 to allow outgoing connections for my lan client? and allow it to recieve data? |
| 00:51.16 | frosty2 | ryty: that'll make it permanen? |
| 00:51.17 | micols | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT i used this |
| 00:51.25 | micols | but i get unknown host google.com |
| 00:51.28 | ryty | frosty2: according to Tramp, yes |
| 00:51.29 | micols | when i try to ping |
| 00:51.38 | ryty | I've never done it that way, but it's worth a shot |
| 00:51.51 | micols | i have a tcpdump if its any help |
| 00:51.59 | ryty | micols: did you turn on ip_forward? |
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| 00:52.21 | micols | yes echoed 1 into the proc file ryty |
| 00:52.25 | ryty | k |
| 00:52.39 | ryty | sounds like a DNS thing |
| 00:52.49 | ryty | nslookup google.com to test |
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| 00:53.02 | micols | i dont have nslookup on the client |
| 00:53.09 | ryty | I would guess that you're not masquerading like you should be |
| 00:53.13 | micols | but checked /etc/resolv.conf (its debian) |
| 00:53.28 | frosty2 | ryty: done |
| 00:53.30 | micols | it has nameserver 192.168.0.1 at first then my isps name server at line 2 |
| 00:53.33 | frosty2 | Tramp: thx |
| 00:53.36 | micols | and search home at top |
| 00:53.45 | ryty | micols: so take out the top line and see if it works |
| 00:54.04 | ryty | (make sure your clients aren't using that nameserver too) |
| 00:54.20 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m5317571c this is a tcpdump -vv -v -s 0 of my diskless debian machine pinging dtu.dk |
| 00:54.30 | micols | seems it asks my isp's nameserver somehow.. cxnet.dk |
| 00:55.11 | micols | didnt help removing "search home" |
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| 00:55.39 | ryty | micols: do you have MASQUERADING turned on? |
| 00:55.48 | micols | ryty: i am not sure |
| 00:56.00 | ryty | iptables -L | grep MASQUERADE |
| 00:56.03 | ryty | any results? |
| 00:56.08 | ryty | (run as root) |
| 00:56.08 | micols | root@cpq:~# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 00:56.08 | micols | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 00:56.12 | micols | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 00:56.32 | micols | i dont know what to enable in my kernel for that "nat" to work.. i got all modules enabled for iptables i guess |
| 00:56.41 | micols | no more modules in there, its the latest kernel from kernel.org |
| 00:57.08 | ryty | did you enable MASQUERADING in the kernel? |
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| 00:57.16 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m40de69a5 that is my loaded modules |
| 00:57.19 | micols | yes ryty |
| 00:57.23 | amphi | micols: kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko is the module you want |
| 00:57.55 | frosty | adama, you there? |
| 00:58.06 | frosty | adama, is this what you were thinking of http://ebuyhd.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023202&p_id=2379&seq=1&format=2&style=? |
| 00:58.11 | frosty | whoops tinyurl... |
| 00:58.29 | K350 | Hi!:) I need swedish language support so I guess I've to download some locales ro the like. Does anyone know wha tI should download? |
| 00:58.41 | frosty | adama, http://tinyurl.com/6rcnuw |
| 00:58.47 | micols | yes amphi i just need to know what it is in .config :) |
| 00:59.02 | frosty | ryty: http://tinyurl.com/6rcnuw <--- is this the crossover cable he was talking about? |
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| 01:01.10 | micols | NF_NAT i hope that is the one |
| 01:01.28 | micols | didnt do it :( |
| 01:02.44 | amphi | micols: I have CONFIG_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y here |
| 01:03.14 | micols | is there a simple and secure way of doing iptables? |
| 01:03.19 | micols | i dont want to make my own initscripts for it |
| 01:03.21 | amphi | apart from CONFIG_NF_NAT=m, all other NF_NAT options are protocol-specific AFAICS |
| 01:03.32 | micols | and i would like them inserted , not as a bash script |
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| 01:03.41 | micols | like iptables-add < iprules.1 |
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| 01:04.15 | micols | i.e. inserted that way instead of calling iptables 100 times :) |
| 01:04.28 | amphi | you could use iptables-save/restore |
| 01:04.36 | micols | yes iptables-restore < file |
| 01:04.41 | h3lp3r | i want to see how long i can just use debian commandline. are there any good command-line blog updating tools? |
| 01:04.45 | micols | but i would still need to create an initscript in rc2 |
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| 01:05.05 | micols | init.d even, and symlink from rc2 |
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| 01:05.35 | zyx386 | hi, have 32 fonts in pack, i well convert it to .debian package and automatic installed to /usr/share/fonts/truetype directory. can i that? |
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| 01:06.43 | citral | zyx386: I guess you can install them directly in /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype |
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| 01:07.00 | citral | add this path to xorg.conf, done |
| 01:07.20 | zyx386 | citral, iknow that, but i well create .deb package |
| 01:07.57 | citral | as you want |
| 01:08.18 | zyx386 | yes |
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| 01:09.22 | zyx386 | can i that? |
| 01:10.44 | citral | zyx386: I suppose you can, I'm not a packager. |
| 01:11.01 | citral | and I must sleep :) |
| 01:11.22 | zyx386 | ok thanx |
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| 01:21.48 | Arafangion | Hey, I've tried to use Wifi, however I can't seem to connect. (Got the firmware installed, network configuration works, etc, but I suspect that the antenna is turned off or something). |
| 01:22.04 | Arafangion | When I used Ubuntu, I had to press a button on the laptop to turn it on, however that button does not work in Debian. |
| 01:22.08 | Arafangion | Any suggestions? |
| 01:22.56 | amphi | such buttons I've seen disable the radio completely, not just the antenna |
| 01:23.20 | Arafangion | amphi: It definetly disables _something_. |
| 01:23.24 | amphi | heh |
| 01:23.39 | Arafangion | amphi: The problem I have is it's disabled by default. :( |
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| 01:24.58 | srart | I know this is slightly off topic but I'm in contact with newtonperiphrials about getting some official suport for linux with their products. Their mouse and bluetooth adapter work preaty simply. I'm looking at what would be involved in getting it O.K.ed to have the Linux logo and what software they should add to their disk. Anyone interested in getting involved in this little project? |
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| 01:25.22 | amphi | Arafangion: do you have anything under /sys/class/rfkill ? |
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| 01:26.23 | Arafangion | amphi: No, but I do have a /sys/class/net/eth2/device/rf_kill |
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| 01:26.59 | amphi | that's a directory, or a file? |
| 01:27.17 | zyx386 | i finde that link http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/PackagingPolicy in debian wiki about my question, billding .deb from fontpacket, but that is for single font i well make 32 fonts? |
| 01:27.25 | Arafangion | A file. echo'ing 1 or 0 does not make a difference. |
| 01:27.33 | amphi | damn |
| 01:27.55 | amphi | 1 does not enable the hw switch? |
| 01:28.16 | zyx386 | debhelper, you write this article http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/PackagingPolicy ? |
| 01:28.56 | Arafangion | amphi: No. |
| 01:30.14 | amphi | Arafangion: did you look for info on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
| 01:30.22 | Arafangion | No. I should do that. |
| 01:31.38 | amphi | damn, this is quality spam: "Grow a kangeroo in 2 weeks" |
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| 01:34.30 | Arafangion | amphi: It does not mention wireless. |
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| 01:39.25 | Arafangion | amphi: Wierd thing is that I can turn bluetooth on and off easily. |
| 01:39.30 | samplr | what happens if I resize a partition with fdisk while that partition is mounted? |
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| 01:39.38 | Arafangion | samplr: "bad thing". |
| 01:39.49 | Arafangion | samplr: "bad things", rather. |
| 01:39.55 | samplr | Arafangion: let's say I'm making it biggger |
| 01:40.19 | samplr | Arafangion: the fs would be the same size |
| 01:40.31 | Arafangion | samplr: You would need to do your own research on that, and the fs needs to explicitly support the particular approach you chose. |
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| 01:42.53 | gnunixguy | quick question... looking at my AUTH.LOG and I see several "Did not receive identification string from XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" does that mean they tried to log in but couldnt get in without my private key? |
| 01:43.09 | Arafangion | amphi: Damn, now it's working. :( |
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| 01:43.33 | smacnay | Is the Debian gnome media player missing codecs? Totem does not play many avi files now. |
| 01:43.39 | k-man | can i just burn the netinst iso to a usb flash stick to boot off it? |
| 01:44.07 | Arafangion | amphi: I'm _guessing_ that it's because I added some modules to the /etc/modules file, and modprobe'ed them in for good measure, but it wasn't enough to work then - it's working now, I hate not knowing what's going on! |
| 01:44.16 | Arafangion | amphi: But thanks for your help. :) |
| 01:45.07 | amphi | Arafangion: what modules? |
| 01:45.26 | Arafangion | amphi: asus_acpi, button and ac. |
| 01:45.39 | Arafangion | amphi: A random hunch based on those websites you provided. |
| 01:46.11 | amphi | Arafangion: asus_acpi would seem to be the only one that could conceivably have an effect; anything interesting in syslog/dmesg ? |
| 01:46.29 | amphi | er, or button perhaps ;) |
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| 01:46.59 | Arafangion | amphi: Yup, I doubt ac would do anything, but I figured "what the hell, let's add it anyway" |
| 01:47.32 | Arafangion | amphi: And dmesg doesn't really show anything inspiring. |
| 01:47.41 | amphi | what laptop is this? |
| 01:47.48 | Arafangion | Asus V6V |
| 01:48.20 | Arafangion | So rare, that asus support don't even have a clue what damn battery to get for it. :( |
| 01:49.43 | Arafangion | But other than that, it's a good laptop. It worked perfectly in Ubuntu, except for standby issues, which don't bother me since I practically don't have a battery, I find Debian much nicer to develop with and generally more reliable and stable, hence my switch. |
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| 01:50.26 | Arafangion | ATI and wireless have been my only real hurdles so far, and since the merger, ATI drivers have been improving heaps. |
| 01:50.31 | h3lp3r | i removed nn (newsreader) and re-installed it. Now it says it can't load the news server, and doesn't give me a chance to reconfigure. any idea? |
| 01:51.16 | Arafangion | h3lp3r: Find your configuration, back it up, and delete it, see if that helps |
| 01:51.16 | Arafangion | h3lp3r: That's a shot in the dark, though - I don't use nn. |
| 01:51.28 | amphi | Arafangion: the ati card isn't supported by the xorg driver? |
| 01:51.28 | h3lp3r | arafangion: i removed .nn and .newsrc.. no idea |
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| 01:52.02 | Arafangion | h3lp3r: Not with hardware acceleration, nor with BigDesktop. |
| 01:52.13 | Arafangion | h3lp3r: I like using a second monitor. :) |
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| 01:53.58 | h3lp3r | Arafangion: found it.. /etc/news in case anyone else ever asks |
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| 01:54.43 | h3lp3r | how can i manually set my dns servers? |
| 01:55.49 | nonewmsgs | sudo network-admin |
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| 01:55.58 | amphi | h3lp3r: in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:56.04 | h3lp3r | amphi: thanks |
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| 02:05.29 | micols | How do i start a kernel only once with lilo, so it doesn start again on the next reboot (i.e. append kernel params only once) ? |
| 02:06.37 | wols_ | create a new entry only for this kernel and its parameters |
| 02:07.34 | wols_ | h3lp3r: dpkg-reconfigure it? or edit its config file directly |
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| 02:15.06 | scatterp | wine complains it wants opengl how would i install that whats the package i need? |
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| 02:20.48 | johnf | I just had some new packages uploaded and it didn't close the WNPP bugs because I think the bug close wasn't in the very latest change log. Should I just close them manually or is there a better way? |
| 02:31.22 | extor | I just hate it when you get home and find out your zipper was open for who knows how long :( |
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| 02:32.07 | blameless | i don't suppose anyone would know why alsa wouldn't pick up my bluetooth device after i added it to ~/.asoundrc? |
| 02:32.45 | Arafangion | extor: Probably since breakfast. :) |
| 02:33.07 | Arafangion | scatterp: opengl is not strictly speaking a "package", but more of a driver. |
| 02:33.16 | Arafangion | scatterp: So you need to provide more info. |
| 02:33.33 | scatterp | i execute wine my.exe |
| 02:33.34 | scatterp | and i see |
| 02:33.54 | scatterp | err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? |
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| 02:39.18 | manu_hack | my apache2 virtual host doesn't work anymore after the update in sid |
| 02:40.06 | infinitycircuit | i'm excited to put debian on my brand new core 2 quad tomorrow :) |
| 02:43.24 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 02:43.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:43.46 | wols_ | schmiddy`: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 02:43.52 | wols_ | doh. he's gone :( |
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| 02:44.22 | wols_ | Johanna: uploaded it where? |
| 02:44.28 | Johanna | ¿? |
| 02:44.39 | Johanna | wols_, That's not with me, right... |
| 02:44.40 | Johanna | :P |
| 02:44.42 | wols_ | Johanna: sry. was for johnf |
| 02:44.51 | wols_ | johnf: uploaded where |
| 02:44.55 | Johanna | Don't worry. |
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| 02:56.53 | Firefishe | Is there a way to auto-generate a completely new fstab from scratch using ntfs-3g? |
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| 03:00.24 | manu_hack | dpkg: before upgrade, using my httpd.conf, I can go to two websites, now two addresses go to the same site |
| 03:00.25 | dpkg | You are moron #9, manu_hack |
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| 03:01.41 | Nyle | dpkg stfu |
| 03:01.41 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 03:01.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:01.52 | Nyle | dpkg, shut up |
| 03:01.52 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:01.56 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:02.07 | Nyle | fireworks! |
| 03:02.15 | manu_hack | okay, now I'm googling |
| 03:02.21 | manu_hack | been googling |
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| 03:02.37 | manu_hack | I'm not that familiar with apache2 |
| 03:02.58 | Arafangion | manu_hack: English isn't your first language either, isn't it? :( |
| 03:03.27 | manu_hack | I have no native langauge |
| 03:03.34 | Arafangion | manu_hack: Nice. :) |
| 03:03.51 | Arafangion | manu_hack: I'm learning Auslan myself, I want to become fluent in more than one language. :) |
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| 03:05.27 | bleck | whats the command I can use to show me what type of ram I have installed? |
| 03:05.35 | bleck | or at least the frequency |
| 03:05.39 | wols_ | bleck: decode-dimms.pl |
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| 03:05.46 | wols_ | bleck: what chipset do you have? |
| 03:05.56 | wols_ | and what cpu? |
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| 03:06.24 | bleck | pentium d |
| 03:06.32 | bleck | no idea what chipset |
| 03:07.09 | wols_ | bleck: get DDR2-800 |
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| 03:08.19 | bleck | aah.. lshw |
| 03:08.28 | bleck | wols_: thanks |
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| 03:09.37 | levander | Anybody can recommend a simple to configure mail server that supports ManageSieve and an expire feature? I'm tired of waiting for dovecot to support these. Ready to switch. |
| 03:10.40 | wols_ | cyrus. if it's simple is another matter. |
| 03:10.46 | wols_ | but then: mailservers are NEVER simply |
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| 03:11.13 | levander | wols_: I've only played with dovecot. I thought it had a reputation for being simpler than most. |
| 03:11.27 | manu_hack | dpkg: |
| 03:11.28 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, manu_hack |
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| 03:11.50 | sputnick | hi there |
| 03:12.05 | sputnick | is it possible to blacklist a package in apt ? |
| 03:12.20 | sputnick | ( sure yes, but what is the way ? ) |
| 03:12.43 | troubled | !hold |
| 03:12.44 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 03:13.07 | troubled | hmm, guess not |
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| 03:17.28 | sputnick | nice troubled, thanks. I'm bored to re-compile eaccelerator each time apache is upgraded |
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| 03:24.02 | hedos | Hello. I'd like to upgrade from GTK 2.8 to GTK 2.10 or above. Can I do this with debian packages and if so how? |
| 03:24.35 | vipersniper | i'm trying to use "axel" to download a 6.0GB file and i get this error "Crappy filesystem/OS working around |
| 03:24.49 | vipersniper | whats up with that |
| 03:25.24 | vipersniper | but it downloads 60MB files etc.. no problem |
| 03:27.26 | justin | vipersniper: what filesystem/OS are you using? |
| 03:27.46 | vipersniper | ext3 |
| 03:28.00 | vipersniper | using debian /unstable |
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| 03:28.15 | wols_ | hedos: what debian branch? |
| 03:28.26 | wols_ | !firefox etch |
| 03:28.33 | wols_ | !ff3 etch |
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| 03:29.00 | vipersniper | justin, why would it work on the 60mb file |
| 03:29.04 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 03:29.04 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 03:29.15 | justin | vipersniper: 32bit issues most likely |
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| 03:30.16 | kermode | alright. |
| 03:30.17 | kermode | I'm annoyed. |
| 03:30.26 | vipersniper | justin, so if i used 64 bit that problem would go away? |
| 03:30.28 | kermode | why doesn't the write function (kernel) have a manpage? |
| 03:30.37 | justin | vipersniper: maybe |
| 03:30.43 | kermode | man 2 write <--- doesn't work. Why? |
| 03:30.52 | justin | kermode: you don't have the manpages installed |
| 03:31.12 | kermode | justin: nope, I do. |
| 03:31.14 | kermode | man write works |
| 03:31.17 | kermode | man 2 write does not work. |
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| 03:31.37 | kermode | man write, hint hint, is *not* what I'm looking for. |
| 03:31.41 | kermode | I'm an asm coder. |
| 03:31.47 | kermode | I need to know the damn syscall numbers. |
| 03:32.14 | Arafangion | kermode: Why not just write in C, and then embed asm into that? |
| 03:32.32 | Arafangion | kermode: It's not like the asm will be significantly faster... you're still talking about crossing boundaries. |
| 03:32.44 | kermode | Arafangion: why don't you just swim next time you want to go to another country across the ocean? |
| 03:33.07 | wols_ | kermode: file a bug if you need one |
| 03:33.18 | kermode | jesus christ I hate it when people argue with me about whatever tool/language I happen to be working in whenever I ask a question. |
| 03:33.29 | kermode | next time I see someone ask a Linux question, why not tell them to buy a Mac? DERP A DERP |
| 03:33.57 | kermode | I want to know why the damn manpage is missing. |
| 03:34.05 | kermode | who the hell deletes a syscall manpage? |
| 03:34.12 | wols_ | kermode: what manpage should it be? path? |
| 03:34.14 | kermode | could someone tell me if man 2 write works for them? |
| 03:34.26 | justin | kermode: it works for the people that have the manpages installed |
| 03:34.31 | wols_ | of course it does |
| 03:34.38 | hedos | wols_, I don't know, to be honest. How can I verify what debian branch I have? |
| 03:34.42 | kermode | God dammit. I know who to blame now. |
| 03:34.42 | wols_ | !tell kermode about search |
| 03:34.48 | wols_ | !tell hedos about version |
| 03:34.53 | wols_ | kermode: yourself? |
| 03:35.04 | kermode | no |
| 03:35.06 | kermode | LinuxMint dev. |
| 03:35.10 | kermode | or Ubuntu. |
| 03:35.13 | kermode | one of the two. |
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| 03:35.29 | wols_ | I blame you for asking #debian about ubuntu questions. now please wander off to #ubuntu |
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| 03:35.43 | kermode | wols_: the manpages were sourced from debian, not a completely incorrect assumption to make. |
| 03:36.08 | kermode | okay, time to harass #ubuntu. |
| 03:36.08 | wols_ | kermode: but mint is not debian. and we do support debian ONLY |
| 03:36.11 | wols_ | NOTHING else |
| 03:36.11 | kermode | thanks for your time. |
| 03:36.22 | kermode | fair enough. I'll go bite someone else's ankles. |
| 03:36.22 | hedos | wols_, linux 2.6.18-4, debian 4.0, libc 2.3.6 |
| 03:36.26 | kermode | sorry for wasting your time. |
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| 03:36.46 | wols_ | !tell hedos about firefox 3 etch |
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| 03:37.14 | hedos | Thanks wols_ . |
| 03:37.20 | pythonic | hi! can i make a rescue cd i can eject right after booting? |
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| 03:37.36 | wols_ | pythonic: more info please |
| 03:39.09 | pythonic | i'd like a rescue cd like dfsbuild that copies itself into ram so i can eject the cd.. |
| 03:39.17 | pythonic | (so i can use the cd drive) |
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| 03:39.36 | wols_ | !tell pythonic about live cd |
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| 03:40.54 | pythonic | don't those need the cd even after the system has booted? |
| 03:41.31 | wols_ | those are the only live cds of debian available |
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| 03:45.54 | batcoder-7 | hey ok i re installed debian and i am installing ndiswrapper etc for my usb wifi adapter |
| 03:46.17 | batcoder-7 | whe ni did it before when i had it installed through ndiswrapper etc i looked at dmesg and it assigned it wlan0 |
| 03:46.23 | batcoder-7 | and i could connect to it like that |
| 03:46.33 | batcoder-7 | now when i plug it in it is not giving me wlan0 |
| 03:46.37 | DogBoy | how much ram do you have pythonic and what do you expect to do after you eject the cd |
| 03:47.09 | batcoder-7 | can someone please help thanks |
| 03:47.57 | batcoder-7 | and btw ndiswrapper says the device is installed and present |
| 03:47.58 | pythonic | DogBoy: enough ram for shell tools.. just running some shell scripts |
| 03:48.09 | batcoder-7 | it is just not giving me the wlan0 i need |
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| 03:49.46 | DogBoy | pythonic, maybe grml then |
| 03:50.07 | batcoder-7 | hey how can i make a module like ndiswrapper start on boot ? |
| 03:51.43 | wols_ | batcoder-7: man modules |
| 03:52.18 | batcoder-7 | hmm this is pissing me off |
| 03:52.36 | batcoder-7 | ok so when i start the ndis module now i have the ndiswrapper device and its wlan0 |
| 03:52.55 | batcoder-7 | but device is busy |
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| 03:55.15 | batcoder-7 | i dont understand this |
| 03:55.20 | wols_ | batcoder-7: for the last time: what WLAN chip? |
| 03:55.22 | batcoder-7 | hwne i plug in my usb adapter it loads it just fine |
| 03:55.25 | batcoder-7 | gives it wlan0 |
| 03:55.46 | batcoder-7 | usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper |
| 03:55.46 | batcoder-7 | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 03:55.56 | batcoder-7 | anyone know what the deal is with that ? |
| 03:56.44 | batcoder-7 | any help here would be great |
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| 03:58.14 | Rusty1 | batcoder-7: are you plugging in the device when logged in as a user or as root, or plugging it in and booting the machine? |
| 03:58.45 | batcoder-7 | a user |
| 03:58.53 | batcoder-7 | why would that be a problem ? |
| 03:59.01 | batcoder-7 | my commands are a sudo though |
| 03:59.08 | batcoder-7 | let me restart |
| 03:59.12 | batcoder-7 | brb |
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| 04:04.00 | Arafangion | is trying to find a decent file manager. |
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| 04:04.38 | xuniv_ | Arafangion: mc |
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| 04:05.19 | rafuch0 | thunar is good |
| 04:05.44 | rafuch0 | i use thunar when i get tired of typing in the shell |
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| 04:06.26 | Arafangion | It seems that cross-platform file managers don't exist. (Doesn't surprise me... windows file organisation is completely different to unix, hence different styles tend to be better) |
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| 04:07.02 | batcoder-7 | i think i mgiht have this |
| 04:07.04 | Arafangion | My goodness, thunar requires libgamin0, which conflicts with libfam0. |
| 04:07.11 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use knetworkmanager ? |
| 04:08.01 | Rusty1 | batcoder-7: yes , but on a Sabayon (Gentoo) box |
| 04:08.08 | micols | root@cpq:~# iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 04:08.11 | micols | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 04:08.15 | micols | what module am i not loading here or missing? |
| 04:08.42 | batcoder-7 | Rusty1: does that thing read the interface file for instance ? |
| 04:08.42 | micols | iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT this works |
| 04:08.50 | Arafangion | gives gnome-commander a go. |
| 04:09.01 | batcoder-7 | Rusty1: i restarted and wlan0 shows up in ifconfig but i dont have it added to the interface file |
| 04:09.01 | micols | i cannot use ETABLISHED,RELATED it seems , or FORWARD |
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| 04:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion: what about midnight commander? Can't recall so well, but wasn't that originally windows? |
| 04:09.32 | micols | ip_tables 13200 3 iptable_raw,iptable_mangle,iptable_filter x_tables 16388 4 arp_tables,xt_tcpudp,ipt_REJECT,ip_tables |
| 04:10.04 | infinitycircuit | i think it's a semi-clone of Norton Commander |
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| 04:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, maybe so |
| 04:11.03 | Rusty1 | batcoder-7: what does knetworkmanger suggest at this point? |
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| 04:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's not truly cross-platform, but you got a windows program and a linux/unix clone |
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| 04:12.32 | batcoder-7 | hey how do you restart your network on debian ? |
| 04:12.42 | batcoder-7 | /etc/init.d/network restart ? |
| 04:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, give that a try |
| 04:13.15 | infinitycircuit | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:13.18 | batcoder-7 | does not work |
| 04:13.21 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 04:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops - I always tab-autocomplete stuff :0 |
| 04:13.40 | rmayorga | ifdow ifup also work for single interfaces |
| 04:13.47 | Rusty1 | batcoder-7: sudo? |
| 04:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... never type more than "net[Tab]" |
| 04:13.54 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Midnight commander is primarily a console application, which means that it's absolute crap on windows. ;( |
| 04:14.19 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: muCommander looks intruging, though I worry about it's Java dependency. |
| 04:14.32 | batcoder-7 | hey when i add my wifi to my interface file do i make it dhcp or static ? |
| 04:14.40 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7, dhcp |
| 04:14.43 | batcoder-7 | i mena it wont be till later till i connect via knetwormamnager ? |
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| 04:14.58 | Arafangion | Thunar does look nice and original. |
| 04:14.59 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7, if you use network-manager then you can't put the device in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:15.00 | batcoder-7 | ^^ |
| 04:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion: why? Java should be cross-platform by definition... |
| 04:15.14 | batcoder-7 | what do i do then ? |
| 04:15.20 | batcoder-7 | infinitycircuit: where do i put it ? |
| 04:15.33 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7, nowhere. hal should pick it up |
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| 04:15.51 | batcoder-7 | wlan0 is in my ifconfig but knetworkmanager is not seeing it |
| 04:15.56 | infinitycircuit | network-manager is garbage i would recommend using something else |
| 04:16.21 | infinitycircuit | wifi-radar, wicd, wparoaming, anything but that inconsistent junk |
| 04:16.41 | batcoder-7 | infinitycircuit: i need something that goes with KDE and something that has WPA |
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| 04:17.05 | infinitycircuit | yes all of the above fit that requirement |
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| 04:17.19 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, but when I want a file manager, I just want the window to open so that I can get to the damn file /quickly/, I don't want to wait for a few seconds just for Java to load. |
| 04:17.22 | batcoder-7 | oh and can i connect via command ine just to see if it works ? |
| 04:17.28 | infinitycircuit | yes of course |
| 04:17.30 | infinitycircuit | wpasupplicant |
| 04:17.43 | batcoder-7 | will that connect and get dhcp ? |
| 04:17.56 | batcoder-7 | btw i spent 2 days on wpasupplicant not a good time |
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| 04:18.17 | Rusty1 | Arafangion: i like xffm4 if you're running x |
| 04:18.19 | raghava | hi all ... just installed lenny -amd64 , audacious seems to throw a segfault when tryingto open any media file ... any pointers .. pls let me know |
| 04:18.30 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7, give me a sec i will pastebin you instructions |
| 04:18.47 | batcoder-7 | infinitycircuit: i would really like ot use knetwork manager if i could, but if its that bad or i cant use it then i wont |
| 04:19.14 | batcoder-7 | hold on is knetwork manager just for WIFI or for all connections ? |
| 04:20.02 | infinitycircuit | batcoder-7, http://pastebin.com/m32eedeac |
| 04:20.08 | infinitycircuit | it can run them all |
| 04:20.22 | batcoder-7 | cause if its suppose to see all connections it cant even see the one i am using here on irc right now |
| 04:20.40 | infinitycircuit | your /etc/network/interfaces file should only have "lo" interface defined |
| 04:20.53 | infinitycircuit | and you must have dhcdbd, dbus, hal, and network-manager running |
| 04:21.37 | Rusty1 | batcoder-7: kwifimanager, but gui front ends tend to difficult, as infinitycircuit says |
| 04:21.38 | batcoder-7 | o really ? |
| 04:22.12 | batcoder-7 | infinitycircuit: in my interface file there is that my ethernet card |
| 04:22.22 | infinitycircuit | yes you want nothign in there except loopback |
| 04:22.43 | batcoder-7 | if i really cant use it i wont use it but form screenshots it integrates well with KDE and is simple so if i can use it i would really like too |
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| 04:23.09 | infinitycircuit | that's fine we can get it to work i'm sure |
| 04:23.12 | batcoder-7 | done infinitycircuit |
| 04:24.01 | batcoder-7 | so should i restart and hope the network works ? |
| 04:24.07 | batcoder-7 | brb if it works |
| 04:24.08 | infinitycircuit | sure |
| 04:24.19 | gnunixguy | ifconfig is part of which pkg? |
| 04:24.28 | gnunixguy | my apt-file doesnt want to find it |
| 04:24.55 | infinitycircuit | gnunixguy, net-tools |
| 04:25.07 | gnunixguy | infinitycircuit: thank you! |
| 04:25.25 | infinitycircuit | guess and check to the rescue :) |
| 04:25.40 | Arafangion | has discovered http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/site/eng/ but doesn't yet know if it works. |
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| 04:26.59 | gnunixguy | ipconfig |
| 04:27.13 | gnunixguy | wrong window :( |
| 04:27.20 | infinitycircuit | wrong operating system :) |
| 04:27.30 | gnunixguy | this is true :) |
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| 04:27.52 | earthling | i upgraded to amd64 dual core processor and would like to upgrade my debian to the amd64 version. can this be done as an upgrade or will it have to be treated as a new installation? |
| 04:27.54 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 04:27.54 | gnunixguy | im tired and mistyping crap all over... not good :( |
| 04:28.02 | rafuch0 | sometimes y do that too ip ifconfig is very similar |
| 04:28.20 | gnunixguy | earthling: 386 to amd64? |
| 04:28.33 | earthling | i586 to amd64 |
| 04:28.43 | gnunixguy | earthling: new install only |
| 04:28.49 | batcoder-7 | ok so commented out the interface file and the networks are still up but knetworkmanager still cant find no devices infinitycircuit |
| 04:28.54 | earthling | crap, thanks.. |
| 04:29.00 | gnunixguy | not possible to upgrade from 586 to 64bit |
| 04:29.17 | earthling | ok, thats what i thought... |
| 04:29.17 | gnunixguy | well, its possible, but not easy and not guaranteed to work |
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| 04:29.47 | raghava | repost: hi all ... just installed lenny -amd64 , audacious seems to throw a segfault when tryingto open any media file ... any pointers .. pls let me know |
| 04:29.49 | gnunixguy | yeah, net-tools is installed, but no ifconfig |
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| 04:30.15 | gnunixguy | no idea at all raghava, i use VLC and Amarok/mysql for my music/movies/videos |
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| 04:31.05 | raghava | gnuunixguy: thnx ! anyway /me apt-getting vlc now :) |
| 04:31.09 | binarymutant | How can I get a screenshot using mplayer? I tried it with the -vf screenshot option but I get an error about the video filter |
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| 04:31.54 | batcoder-7 | hey i got a wlan0 but whnen i do iwlist wlan0 scanning it doesnt find anything |
| 04:32.04 | batcoder-7 | but i know theres stuff there so is it not working or something ? |
| 04:33.18 | batcoder-7 | any help here would be great i am running out of ideas |
| 04:34.20 | raghava | also , need some suggestion on identifying the right FS type ... have three partitions containing media files/ source fils/other data, and this ones in a laptop, will JFS be an optimal one? got this info from Internet, but want to verify if anyone has had any specific issues with a similar setup .... |
| 04:34.41 | binarymutant | bat coder try iwconfig wlan0 essid [essid] enc on key s:[password] |
| 04:35.00 | Arafangion | raghava: Just use ext2 unless you have a *specific* reason, it's the easiest, works well, etc. |
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| 04:35.36 | n-iCe | where is the recyle bin located? |
| 04:36.01 | batcoder-7 | what does ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) do ? |
| 04:36.13 | gnunixguy | yay, the network went down :D |
| 04:36.16 | Arafangion | n-iCe: That is a window-ism. |
| 04:36.17 | gnunixguy | now i have work to do |
| 04:36.27 | n-iCe | Arafangion: the path |
| 04:36.44 | Arafangion | n-iCe: It's a "special" directory on your system drives. |
| 04:36.58 | Arafangion | n-iCe: I can't remember the name but it's in the root of the drives. |
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| 04:37.08 | n-iCe | Arafangion: and where is that specila directory, I need to delete some folders inside :| |
| 04:37.16 | n-iCe | special* |
| 04:37.34 | Arafangion | Why not just empty the entire bin? |
| 04:37.36 | raghava | Arafanhion:Thnx buddy! but compared to ext2, its given that JFS saves some CPU cycles ... which => good for laptop .... hence had thot of trying JFS .... :) |
| 04:37.59 | Arafangion | raghava: CPU is not really a problem. |
| 04:38.19 | infinitycircuit | ext2/3 have the best recovery tools in my experience |
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| 04:38.22 | Arafangion | raghava: You're still dealing with the mechanical drive. |
| 04:38.51 | infinitycircuit | jfs sometimes just craps out on you and jfsutils can't fix it, requiring you to keep a rescuecd on hand to fix it |
| 04:39.03 | raghava | hmm .. yeah |
| 04:39.10 | n-iCe | Arafangion: I can't, files are protected |
| 04:39.26 | Arafangion | Wow, muCommander is nice. |
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| 04:40.31 | Arafangion | *sigh*, well it had potential. (Crashed when deleting a file) |
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| 04:42.04 | ajonat | hi! anyone got the hdmi output working with a 965GM intel card?? |
| 04:43.05 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 04:43.17 | batcoder-7 | how cna i uninstall knetwork-manager and network manager ? |
| 04:43.21 | binarymutant | How can I get a screenshot using mplayer? I tried it with the -vf screenshot option but I get an error about the video filter not being there |
| 04:43.48 | n-iCe | Arafangion: then? |
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| 04:44.59 | Arafangion | n-iCe: Sorry, you're on your own. |
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| 04:46.16 | n-iCe | does anyone knows the recycle ban path?? |
| 04:46.34 | batcoder-7 | why cant i remove network-manager ? |
| 04:46.57 | binarymutant | batcoder: nmapplet |
| 04:47.02 | binarymutant | or something like that |
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| 05:01.07 | path_ | how can I install a package without their dependences through apt? |
| 05:01.19 | path_ | just want to install an specific package :/ |
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| 05:03.07 | miksuh | path_: if it depends on those packages, it most likely wont work work whitout them |
| 05:03.32 | miksuh | -work |
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| 05:04.28 | miksuh | eg. package can depend on library because it needs that library and work work whitout it |
| 05:04.35 | batcoder-7 | hey when i add my wlan0 to my interface file it deosnt start it up |
| 05:04.40 | miksuh | wont=don't |
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| 05:04.48 | batcoder-7 | i think its due to the wlan0 itself getting initiated after the interface does |
| 05:04.53 | batcoder-7 | how can i fix this ? |
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| 05:07.05 | miksuh | batcoder-7: if it is desktop system, you could simply use network-manager, if your wlan-card is supported. if you use network-manager you don't need to edit any config files.. |
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| 05:11.11 | batcoder-7 | miksuh: i just nee WPA now all works in regualr mode network-manager was very bad |
| 05:11.17 | batcoder-7 | i spetn like 2 hours on it |
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| 05:12.46 | rue_mohr | I cant upgrade cause libc6 needs tzdata and locales needs glibc-2.7-1, but libc6 cant install cause it depends on a newer version of coreutils with a readlink that has the -e option, which mine dosnt |
| 05:13.04 | rue_mohr | mmmm |
| 05:13.20 | batcoder-7 | is wpa supplicant passphrase is that the key or the plain text pass phrase ? |
| 05:13.37 | miksuh | what do you have in ypur /etc/apt-sources.list? |
| 05:13.53 | miksuh | vould you pastebin it |
| 05:14.15 | rue_mohr | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free and unstable after that |
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| 05:14.25 | rue_mohr | er stabel after that |
| 05:14.37 | miksuh | ? |
| 05:14.43 | miksuh | what do you men? |
| 05:14.53 | rue_mohr | and I cant update cause I dont have the new keys which I cant get cause I dont have libc6 |
| 05:14.58 | miksuh | don't mix stable and unstable repositories |
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| 05:15.07 | miksuh | it sure can cause trouble |
| 05:15.10 | rue_mohr | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable non-free <- that line is after it |
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| 05:15.34 | rue_mohr | hmm, maybe what caused this mess eh? |
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| 05:15.42 | miksuh | yes use either stable or unstab, not both |
| 05:15.57 | miksuh | are you useing etch? |
| 05:16.00 | miksuh | using |
| 05:16.03 | lubna | hi |
| 05:16.04 | rue_mohr | cant update without the keys |
| 05:16.33 | rue_mohr | version 3.1 |
| 05:16.46 | miksuh | sarge? |
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| 05:16.53 | rue_mohr | I dont know what 3.1 is |
| 05:16.54 | miksuh | current stable is etch |
| 05:17.11 | miksuh | 3,1 is sarge which was previous stable |
| 05:17.14 | raghava | anyone got mezzo DE src ? |
| 05:17.21 | rue_mohr | I also dont know of an online table that matches names to version numbers |
| 05:17.32 | miksuh | etch = 4.0 |
| 05:17.37 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 05:17.51 | rue_mohr | ideas on evil apt flags to try to fix this? |
| 05:17.59 | lubna | yes |
| 05:18.08 | rue_mohr | large crowbar with a cheater pipe? |
| 05:18.13 | miksuh | I'll guive you my sources.-list as an example |
| 05:18.23 | lubna | ok |
| 05:18.28 | rue_mohr | but I dont have hte pgp keys so I cant update |
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| 05:19.47 | rue_mohr | maybe thats just stable its complaining on the pgp |
| 05:19.58 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
| 05:20.25 | rue_mohr | that readlink incompatabilty is the kicker |
| 05:21.06 | rue_mohr | hows new sources help? |
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| 05:26.05 | owen1_ | i want to install guest additions on vbox. but when i click on the menu option nothing happeneds. any clue? |
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| 05:29.14 | Arafangion | Ironic. |
| 05:30.32 | liable | why would you do that? |
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| 05:30.40 | n-iCe | anyone could help me? /usr/bin/gpixpod: line 2: exec: python2.4: not found |
| 05:30.42 | liable | wonders what motivates people |
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| 05:31.57 | Arafangion | hates it when people don't even wait 30 seconds. |
| 05:33.00 | arubin | you have to be quick |
| 05:33.48 | Arafangion | arubin: I don't see why *I* have to be quick, I'm not the one who's asking for helpE! |
| 05:33.55 | owen1_ | how to install guest additions on virtualbox? |
| 05:34.12 | Arafangion | owen1_: The docs should say that. |
| 05:34.34 | arubin | Arafangion: providing help is a privilege! |
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| 05:35.11 | owen1_ | Arafangion: i know it should be easy - there is a menu option under 'devices' but when i click it nothing happeneds. |
| 05:35.15 | Arafangion | arubin: Damn, I thought it was a burden? ;) |
| 05:35.29 | Arafangion | owen1_: Which guest OS? |
| 05:35.38 | owen1_ | AfterDeath: xp |
| 05:35.46 | owen1_ | Arafangion: XP |
| 05:35.57 | owen1_ | AfterDeath: ignore this please. |
| 05:35.59 | Arafangion | owen1_: Well, then it should work. (TM) |
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| 05:36.22 | owen1_ | Arafangion: i'll reeboot the guest.. |
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| 05:44.51 | nmkid | i heard that if u r using/acessing u r network over internet with same ip/network u cant acess is it true ? |
| 05:45.28 | owen1_ | Arafangion: i had to unmount the harddrive before doing it. |
| 05:46.30 | peterrooney | !ur |
| 05:46.31 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 05:50.14 | gnunixguy | nice |
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| 05:50.32 | gnunixguy | i just learned a few useless facts about the word UR :) |
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| 05:52.16 | TurkSat | how do I permanently change the IP of eth0 in Debian ? |
| 05:52.31 | Guerin | TurkSat: edit /etc/network/interfaces.bak |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | err |
| 05:52.36 | Guerin | not .bak |
| 05:52.37 | troubled | Guerin: fail :p |
| 05:52.45 | Guerin | see, I did it recently :) |
| 05:52.49 | troubled | :) |
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| 05:58.03 | n-iCe | any software for upload pics to my ipod? and delete |
| 05:59.28 | TurkSat | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | n-iCe: mount, cp and rm |
| 06:00.06 | Guerin | n-iCe: i recommend rockbox for not having to deal with ipod's retardedness |
| 06:00.51 | simonrvn | not all ipods can take rockbox, but the older ones can |
| 06:01.27 | DogBoy | can't you do that with gtkpod |
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| 06:02.13 | Zoup | is this fully safe to do 'apt-get update -f ; apt-get upgrade -f' on production server over daily cron ? |
| 06:02.24 | n-iCe | Guerin: what do you mean? |
| 06:02.28 | n-iCe | DogBoy: no i can't |
| 06:02.35 | Zoup | s/-f/-y |
| 06:02.41 | n-iCe | Guerin: i can't delete with mount, i don't see the files in the ipod, the pictures |
| 06:03.44 | DogBoy | what ipod do you have |
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| 06:04.11 | n-iCe | video 80GB |
| 06:05.25 | DogBoy | I think that one is supported with rockbox now |
| 06:05.32 | DogBoy | but battery life is not as good |
| 06:05.45 | n-iCe | but rockbox seems be for win |
| 06:05.55 | DogBoy | I use it on linux |
| 06:06.00 | DogBoy | but yea I know what you mean |
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| 06:06.16 | n-iCe | wine? |
| 06:06.23 | DogBoy | most rockbox users seem to use windows but that's the way of the world |
| 06:06.28 | DogBoy | you don't need wine at all |
| 06:06.46 | n-iCe | I was reading |
| 06:06.54 | n-iCe | it is for ipod install |
| 06:06.58 | n-iCe | I don't want to install |
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| 06:07.04 | n-iCe | i want to remove some pictures for y ipod! |
| 06:07.16 | DogBoy | that should be easy to do |
| 06:07.22 | n-iCe | how |
| 06:07.22 | n-iCe | :° |
| 06:07.29 | n-iCe | I can't! |
| 06:07.35 | DogBoy | it's a google question really |
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| 06:07.42 | n-iCe | i already googled it |
| 06:07.56 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:08.00 | DogBoy | I mean hehe |
| 06:08.35 | n-iCe | what should I do? |
| 06:08.58 | DogBoy | use a windows machine? |
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| 06:09.06 | DogBoy | install os x |
| 06:09.15 | n-iCe | do you want me to install windows again? |
| 06:09.16 | DogBoy | heh, you bought the ipod or whatever eh |
| 06:09.25 | DogBoy | I don't have an opinion about it |
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| 06:10.13 | Zoup | will apt-get upgrade -y , overwrites my config files with maintainer version ? |
| 06:10.30 | n-iCe | well |
| 06:10.33 | n-iCe | im changing to vista again |
| 06:10.34 | n-iCe | :< |
| 06:10.40 | DogBoy | ouch |
| 06:10.51 | DogBoy | good luck with that |
| 06:10.53 | n-iCe | I know |
| 06:11.03 | n-iCe | I can't solve that ipod thing! |
| 06:11.06 | n-iCe | frustrating |
| 06:11.25 | DogBoy | vista isn't going to make it less frustrating |
| 06:11.32 | Zoup | n-iCe: read , learn |
| 06:11.37 | n-iCe | i did, nothing |
| 06:11.52 | DogBoy | why not just replace the firmware with rockbox |
| 06:12.01 | DogBoy | what's the big deal about the pictures |
| 06:12.26 | DogBoy | have you used the ipod with a windows machine yet |
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| 06:13.46 | n-iCe | DogBoy: yes, but i changed my windows machine for debian |
| 06:13.57 | DogBoy | so it's formatted fat32 then |
| 06:14.11 | n-iCe | yes |
| 06:14.19 | DogBoy | ask about it in #rockbox |
| 06:14.50 | micols | i keep getting "nfs: server 192.168.0.1 not responding, still trying", i have tried adding rsize=2048 and 8096 and same with wsize to both pxelinux.cfg/default and to /etc/fstab nfs mount options, i use nolock and not even sync for fastest access right now, i have checked my cabling (100mbit) and switch (changed both) , what can be the issue? |
| 06:14.51 | gnunixguy | quick fixes are NOT an option with apple |
| 06:14.56 | DogBoy | it's nicer than the ipod firmware imo |
| 06:15.24 | DogBoy | much easier to use and gets around having to have the itunes experience |
| 06:15.34 | simonrvn | i'd love rockbox on my sans, but rockbox doesn't support it |
| 06:15.38 | simonrvn | sansa* |
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| 06:15.55 | simonrvn | (insert frowny there too) |
| 06:16.01 | TurkSat | can I install a package ignoring the dependencies? |
| 06:16.08 | TurkSat | with dpkg |
| 06:16.27 | Guerin | TurkSat: no. |
| 06:16.34 | DogBoy | I use it on my sansa |
| 06:16.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: :( |
| 06:16.45 | Guerin | i love rockbox long time |
| 06:16.46 | simonrvn | mine's an express |
| 06:17.05 | Guerin | had it on a now-nuked iaudio, now have it on a gigabeat |
| 06:17.14 | simonrvn | TurkSat: no. do it right or don't do it at all. |
| 06:17.43 | DogBoy | I wouldn't mind having a gigabeat |
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| 06:17.51 | simonrvn | i thought i could help start the port, but most of that stuff is beyond my skillz |
| 06:17.54 | DogBoy | sansa works well too though |
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| 06:18.53 | TurkSat | why when trying to install wget? apt can't find a file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl0.9.8_0.9.8c-4_i386.deb |
| 06:19.03 | DogBoy | which gigabeat is the one to get Guerin |
| 06:19.24 | simonrvn | TurkSat: update again, or wait |
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| 06:19.33 | TurkSat | update? |
| 06:20.18 | TurkSat | do I have to make apt-get update? |
| 06:20.58 | nmkid | how do i seach and install pkg |
| 06:21.39 | hoxu | !tell nmkid about search |
| 06:21.43 | nmkid | i am using appilice which is base on bebian |
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| 06:23.23 | simonrvn | TurkSat: or like i said, you could wait, and try again in a bit. |
| 06:24.11 | TurkSat | simonrvn: it is a fresh install of debian, could it be that the repositories are old? |
| 06:24.24 | micols | has anybody set up a diskless client before, and seen the problem "nfs: server x.x.x.x not responding, still trying" when sending large files over nfs? seems to be with 2.6+ kernels as nfs packet size now changed to 32k instead of 8k |
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| 06:27.17 | simonrvn | TurkSat: updating (almost) never hurts anyway |
| 06:27.20 | liable | ugh, i deleted my .kde dir and now i cant get the font sizes right in the weasel |
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| 06:36.04 | liable | i remember having this problem before and it always takes me ages to work it out.. |
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| 06:42.08 | TurkSat | can somebody help me please, when I do "apt-get install wget", it says unmet dependencies without even checking internet |
| 06:42.28 | streuner | TurkSat: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:43.40 | TurkSat | ii libc6 2.3.6.dl1-13 GNU C Library: shared libraries |
| 06:44.04 | streuner | hm, show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
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| 06:44.21 | TurkSat | that's 2.3.6.ds1-13 there not 2.3.6.dl1-13 |
| 06:44.29 | streuner | sure |
| 06:44.45 | TurkSat | where was sources.list? |
| 06:45.02 | streuner | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:45.39 | liable | phew, fixed it |
| 06:45.44 | TurkSat | I can't copy anything yet, it is a remote machine |
| 06:46.08 | TurkSat | which lines do you need? the ones starting with deb? |
| 06:46.18 | streuner | yws |
| 06:46.21 | streuner | yes |
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| 06:46.46 | streuner | for etch/stable you need 2 lines |
| 06:46.59 | streuner | one for the official mirror and one for security |
| 06:47.40 | owen1_ | i try to share my debian home dir with an xp guest in vbox but 'net use x: \vboxsvr\oren' show error - the network name can't be found. any idea? |
| 06:48.09 | TurkSat | deb http://ftp:debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:48.09 | TurkSat | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:48.10 | TurkSat | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:48.10 | TurkSat | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch updates main contrib |
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| 06:48.28 | TurkSat | gotta use pastebin) |
| 06:48.34 | streuner | hm |
| 06:48.50 | streuner | !info wget stable |
| 06:49.14 | dpkg | wget: (retrieves files from the web), section web, is important. Version: 1.10.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 595 kB, Installed size: 1948 kB |
| 06:49.19 | owen1_ | (i installed guest additions and edited the folder to be shared with the vbox settings) |
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| 06:49.35 | streuner | TurkSat: what kind of error do you get? |
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| 06:50.45 | streuner | TurkSat: are these all lines or do you have more in sources.list? |
| 06:51.33 | TurkSat | The following packages have unmet dependencies: wget: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8b-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:51.58 | streuner | !info libssl etch |
| 06:52.12 | dutchfish | streuner, is his system up to date? |
| 06:52.14 | TurkSat | streuner: there are just comments beginnign with # at the start of the files |
| 06:52.14 | streuner | libssl is prolly contrib or non-free |
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| 06:52.37 | dbmoodb | hi there on boot i'm getting an error message about unknown key #net.ipv6.conf.default.forwarding |
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| 06:53.11 | dbmoodb | should i just comment that line out under /etc/sysv...conf |
| 06:53.18 | dutchfish | libssl-dev |
| 06:53.26 | dbmoodb | /etc/sysctl.conf* |
| 06:53.47 | TurkSat | when I do 'apt-get install libssl' it says: 'E: Package libssl has no installation candidate' |
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| 06:54.11 | owen1_ | 'net use x: \vboxsvr\oren' doesn't work. any idea how to share a folder in vbox? |
| 06:54.12 | TurkSat | should I do 'apt-get install libssl-dev' ? |
| 06:54.21 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libssl0.9.8 |
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| 06:54.40 | dbmoodb | TurkSat: libopenssl-dev i think it is. try apt-cache search libssl |
| 06:54.45 | dbmoodb | TurkSat: yes. |
| 06:54.57 | streuner | libssl0.9.8 (0.9.8c-4etch3) |
| 06:55.13 | streuner | Its libssl0.9.8 |
| 06:55.23 | streuner | !info libssl0.9.8 |
| 06:55.25 | dutchfish | TurkSat, wait, is your system up 2 date? |
| 06:55.29 | TurkSat | 'libssl-dev depends on libssl0.9.8 ....but it is not going to be installed' |
| 06:55.39 | TurkSat | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
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| 06:55.49 | dpkg | libssl0.9.8: (SSL shared libraries), section libs, is important. Version: 0.9.8g-10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 2832 kB, Installed size: 6536 kB |
| 06:55.55 | streuner | TurkSat: apt-get update |
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| 06:55.57 | dutchfish | TurkSat, when did you for the last apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 06:56.04 | TurkSat | streuner: yes I did that |
| 06:56.14 | TurkSat | I didn't 'upgrade' though |
| 06:56.17 | TurkSat | should I? |
| 06:56.25 | streuner | sure |
| 06:56.38 | dutchfish | TurkSat, because openssl had an important DSA |
| 06:56.49 | streuner | it just get the updates from security.debian.org |
| 06:57.17 | terragna | hey -- i would like to recompile my current kernel to reflect only one change.. the config_hz from 250 to 1000. i am experimenting with a hlds server and this has to be changed for what i would like to do. i would just like to take my exisiting kernel config, make this change and recompile. i've read some resources online, but they all seemed different from what i wanted. any input? |
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| 06:58.14 | simonrvn | server running at 1000 hz? no way. |
| 06:58.21 | streuner | heh |
| 06:58.34 | dutchfish | oh thats very possible on geode |
| 06:58.36 | simonrvn | dunno what hlds is ;) |
| 06:58.43 | terragna | half-life dedicated server |
| 06:58.54 | wols_ | terragna: state your problem better |
| 06:59.00 | simonrvn | half-life the game? |
| 06:59.02 | dbmoodb | pft if your gaming go play :) |
| 06:59.11 | terragna | okk |
| 06:59.15 | wols_ | what what you want to achieve but what prevents you to achieve it |
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| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | i guess that's what you want then |
| 06:59.34 | wols_ | *not what you want... |
| 06:59.45 | terragna | haha -- i would just like to take my existing kernel config, make that one change and recompile |
| 06:59.52 | wols_ | so do it? |
| 06:59.54 | terragna | will loading the config i have now load the debian defaults? |
| 07:00.11 | wols_ | if loaded in the debian kernel source |
| 07:00.27 | wols_ | and depends how you "load" it |
| 07:00.42 | terragna | interesting developments |
| 07:01.17 | TurkSat | when I do 'apt-get upgrade' it says 'Reading package lists...Done; Building dependency tree....Done; 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded' |
| 07:01.53 | cahoot | did you run aptitude update first? |
| 07:01.58 | wols_ | TurkSat: did you update too? do you have security in your sources.list? |
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| 07:02.12 | streuner | TurkSat> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 07:03.04 | TurkSat | yes |
| 07:03.11 | streuner | no |
| 07:03.18 | streuner | !security |
| 07:03.19 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 07:03.39 | streuner | the line is wrong, sorry, but we saw that later |
| 07:04.08 | streuner | early in morning here... /me drinks some coffee... |
| 07:04.13 | simonrvn | saw it later? it's pretty late now already :P |
| 07:04.14 | TurkSat | what is wrong?? |
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| 07:04.24 | streuner | simonrvn: :-P |
| 07:04.43 | dutchfish | !coffee steuner |
| 07:04.44 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for steuner, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 07:04.47 | streuner | the slash behind "etch" |
| 07:05.02 | TurkSat | maybe I copied it wrong |
| 07:05.11 | TurkSat | I am just typing it) |
| 07:05.42 | streuner | s/etch/org/ |
| 07:05.59 | streuner | just copy the line from the factoid (security) |
| 07:06.12 | streuner | deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:06.29 | simonrvn | dpkg: you're stuck on jamaican blue mountain lately... |
| 07:06.29 | dpkg | simonrvn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:06.36 | simonrvn | dpkg: not recently |
| 07:06.37 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, simonrvn |
| 07:06.47 | simonrvn | dpkg: you don't, no |
| 07:06.47 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 07:06.54 | dutchfish | simonrvn, no, it was my typo ;) steuner instead of streuner |
| 07:06.57 | simonrvn | dpkg: indeed |
| 07:06.57 | dpkg | simonrvn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:07.02 | simonrvn | dpkg: no |
| 07:07.02 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 07:07.04 | TurkSat | I have like this : deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 07:07.17 | TurkSat | I need 'non-free' in the end? |
| 07:07.18 | streuner | thats wrong |
| 07:07.20 | simonrvn | laughs |
| 07:07.24 | streuner | argh |
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| 07:07.39 | simonrvn | TurkSat: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 07:07.51 | TurkSat | slash after org? |
| 07:07.57 | TurkSat | ok |
| 07:08.29 | TurkSat | add a new line or edit existing? |
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| 07:08.44 | dutchfish | TurkSat, are you on Sarge or Etch? |
| 07:08.51 | TurkSat | Etch |
| 07:08.52 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know tightvnc default port ? |
| 07:09.02 | dutchfish | TurkSat, ok, good good |
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| 07:09.10 | wols_ | batcoder-7: 5900 |
| 07:09.22 | streuner | batcoder-7: default for VNC? ;-) |
| 07:09.25 | TurkSat | so, should I edit the line or add new ? |
| 07:09.32 | dutchfish | TurkSat, edit it |
| 07:10.14 | batcoder-7 | default for TightVNC srerver ? |
| 07:10.27 | wols_ | batcoder-7: I just told you! |
| 07:10.42 | streuner | batcoder-7: nm |
| 07:11.55 | simonrvn | !lart batcoder-7 |
| 07:11.55 | dpkg | cuts off batcoder-7's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 07:12.01 | simonrvn | ow |
| 07:12.21 | wols_ | simonrvn: too lenient |
| 07:12.36 | simonrvn | tell the bot |
| 07:12.49 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 07:13.00 | batcoder-7 | i was jsut trying ot connect and for osme reason i am getitng refused hmm |
| 07:13.01 | wols_ | dpkg: batcoder-7 needs harsher punishment. otherwise it doesn't get though his thick skull |
| 07:13.02 | dpkg | wols_: You are moron #10 |
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| 07:13.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:13.26 | wols_ | simonrvn: there are still 9 others to beat! |
| 07:13.40 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 07:13.42 | simonrvn | !moron wols_ |
| 07:13.42 | dpkg | wols_: You are moron #18 |
| 07:14.04 | dutchfish | wonders who is #1 |
| 07:14.22 | simonrvn | i've only seen that once, maybe twice |
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| 07:14.53 | batcoder-7 | lol wols_ |
| 07:14.54 | streuner | prolly an command... |
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| 07:15.09 | batcoder-7 | i have had enough to deal with, that damn ndiswrapper was un beliveable |
| 07:15.15 | batcoder-7 | then wpasupplicant on top of that |
| 07:15.20 | simonrvn | the #XX is (semi-)random |
| 07:15.34 | wols_ | batcoder-7: we asked you lots and lots of questions you ignored. you deserved it |
| 07:15.50 | batcoder-7 | wols_: i answered alot |
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| 07:16.01 | batcoder-7 | anyways i got it working quite easy once you know all th little tricks |
| 07:16.10 | batcoder-7 | wpa_supplicant is a trick in itself |
| 07:16.22 | wols_ | me and streuner asked the same one sevreal times. never answered |
| 07:16.23 | TurkSat | it's alive! |
| 07:16.26 | TurkSat | =) at last |
| 07:16.26 | xingu | wols_: I hope one of the questions was "why the hell are you using hardware that requires ndiswrapper" ;) |
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| 07:16.42 | TurkSat | it seems the word non-free helped |
| 07:16.56 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 07:16.56 | wols_ | xingu: something to that effect. which he studiously ignored. he deserves all the grief he gets with it in my book |
| 07:17.00 | dutchfish | TurkSat, is it up to date now? |
| 07:17.02 | wols_ | TurkSat: BS |
| 07:17.35 | TurkSat | dutchfish: don't know ) but the libssl is installing |
| 07:17.39 | batcoder-7 | wols_: i was on and off like the whole night |
| 07:17.39 | TurkSat | wols_: ? |
| 07:17.49 | dutchfish | TurkSat, because wget has no deps in non-free |
| 07:17.54 | wols_ | TurkSat: non-free helping to update libssl is bullshit |
| 07:17.54 | batcoder-7 | wols_: good thing is i know alot about wpasupplicant and ndwirapper and yea |
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| 07:18.18 | wols_ | batcoder-7: you don't know shit. don't fool yourslf otherwise |
| 07:18.26 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone have that debian horns logo that's actually with transparent background? |
| 07:18.27 | TurkSat | wols_: I am a newbie and don't know what helped, but it did |
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| 07:18.54 | wols_ | TurkSat: writing a proper deb line did |
| 07:18.55 | dutchfish | AbsintheSyringe, gnu logo? |
| 07:18.56 | batcoder-7 | wols_: ok i knwo mroe then before ? about wpa supplicant and ndiswrapper, read through like 3 hours of docs |
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| 07:19.22 | TurkSat | wols_: removing the slash? that's the on;y thing changed (+ non-free) |
| 07:19.33 | AbsintheSyringe | dutchfish, nah, this one http://www.aei.mpg.de/~pau/linux_bsd_fitxers/horned_logo.jpeg |
| 07:19.37 | mwnn | how do i install the info pages for the GAS assembler? |
| 07:19.52 | AbsintheSyringe | dutchfish, I'm trying to make that transparent background but it's not working out as I want it >_< |
| 07:20.02 | AbsintheSyringe | dutchfish, getting a new laptop, neeed new stickers :) |
| 07:20.12 | dutchfish | AbsintheSyringe, start with the vector based one |
| 07:20.34 | dutchfish | AbsintheSyringe, use inkscape or the like |
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| 07:20.46 | dutchfish | AbsintheSyringe, gl |
| 07:21.44 | AbsintheSyringe | dutchfish, I'm a coder so I'm not 100% sure what you're talking about, can't gimp help me? |
| 07:21.58 | dutchfish | AbsintheSyringe, the .svg one |
| 07:22.11 | AbsintheSyringe | dutchfish, ah, k |
| 07:22.43 | simonrvn | mwnn: packages usually have a -doc version, if they have a alrge amount of docs with them |
| 07:23.23 | streuner | TurkSat: so now it works? |
| 07:23.24 | mwnn | simonrvn: I just found that binutils-doc package has the documentation for GAS assembler. |
| 07:23.40 | TurkSat | streuner: yep, I installed wget |
| 07:23.58 | streuner | TurkSat: fine, we are glad to helped you |
| 07:24.00 | TurkSat | now installing samba |
| 07:24.04 | TurkSat | thanks ! |
| 07:24.10 | simonrvn | mwnn: yes, since as is in binutils |
| 07:24.16 | streuner | TurkSat: no problem |
| 07:24.18 | Supaplex | TurkSat: no problem. that'll be $74 |
| 07:24.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:24.32 | simonrvn | forgot the 0.34$ |
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| 07:25.14 | Supaplex | :) |
| 07:25.15 | TurkSat | ok, i'll send you when I get my first pension |
| 07:25.19 | TurkSat | =) |
| 07:25.23 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:25.47 | streuner | simonrvn: do you even unterstand pension? |
| 07:26.02 | streuner | dpkg, spell pension |
| 07:26.04 | dpkg | 'pension' may be spelled correctly |
| 07:26.09 | streuner | oh |
| 07:26.25 | TurkSat | what's wrong with that word? :) |
| 07:26.41 | streuner | nothing, i thought its no english term |
| 07:27.02 | TurkSat | well I found it in my russian-english dictionary ) |
| 07:27.06 | simonrvn | it is |
| 07:27.26 | Supaplex | aka retirement check |
| 07:27.29 | rmayorga | in spanish that word only have a tilde and means almost the same (pensión) |
| 07:27.54 | dutchfish | wants a privat secretary, one who types fast and runs slow |
| 07:28.00 | simonrvn | streuner: um, yeh. |
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| 07:29.25 | streuner | ok |
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| 07:29.50 | neil_d | anyone use a ciss (constant ink supply system) for a printer ? how does it go ? |
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| 07:30.11 | Supaplex | neil_d: mine works great |
| 07:31.37 | simonrvn | !dict unicum |
| 07:31.39 | dpkg | could not find definition for unicum |
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| 07:32.07 | simonrvn | saw that in another chan |
| 07:32.58 | neil_d | Supaplex: thats good to here, I am installing a new computer system (LTSP), for my boss, and was thinking of using some Epson C110 and a CISS to do general printing. |
| 07:33.33 | Supaplex | good to "here"? as in, it's good all the way to where you are? |
| 07:34.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:34.37 | TurkSat | I am using command mount -t smbfs -o username=<username>, password=<password> //windowcomputer/sharename mountpoint and get an error : 'smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported' |
| 07:34.49 | TurkSat | any idea? |
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| 07:35.14 | Supaplex | professor google doesn't know? |
| 07:35.16 | Supaplex | asks him |
| 07:35.24 | TurkSat | nope) |
| 07:36.09 | TurkSat | asks also |
| 07:36.10 | Supaplex | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22smbfs%3A+mount_data+version%22+%22is+not+supported%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a results in 945 some odd results. |
| 07:36.27 | Supaplex | eg, "smbfs: mount_data version" "is not supported" |
| 07:36.31 | simonrvn | !tinyurlsmite Supaplex |
| 07:36.34 | Supaplex | ouu a bug report on the first page. |
| 07:36.42 | simonrvn | :P |
| 07:37.07 | TurkSat | damn, I update samba |
| 07:37.14 | TurkSat | should have update smbfs ) |
| 07:37.49 | dutchfish | TurkSat, does /sbin/mount.smbfs point to the submount executable? |
| 07:37.51 | Supaplex | TurkSat: what's this show? dpkg -l libc6 | grep libc6 |
| 07:38.13 | wols_ | Supaplex: that |
| 07:38.27 | wols_ | Supaplex: that's worth a redundant use of grep award |
| 07:38.34 | wols_ | Supaplex: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:38.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:38.44 | simonrvn | tail -n 1 |
| 07:38.47 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:39.26 | wols_ | simonrvn: -1 works fine |
| 07:39.28 | Supaplex | you're using a pipe anyway, so why is grep redundant? |
| 07:39.43 | simonrvn | note what you did |
| 07:39.53 | TurkSat | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 07:41.01 | TurkSat | does this exist? - http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/s/samba/smbfs_3.0.24-6etch10_i386.deb |
| 07:41.42 | dutchfish | TurkSat, i think you should really learn how to keep your system up to date |
| 07:41.57 | simonrvn | waves |
| 07:41.58 | TurkSat | dutchfish: it is up to date already |
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| 07:42.00 | Supaplex | we don't want to comingle dists here |
| 07:43.20 | dutchfish | TurkSat, now does /sbin/mount.smbfs point to the submount executable? |
| 07:43.53 | TurkSat | no such file |
| 07:44.11 | dutchfish | TurkSat, because otherwise it will try to mount through syscall directly, wich wont work and gives your error |
| 07:44.19 | owen1_ | how to use secure copy into debian from win? putty? |
| 07:44.35 | TurkSat | dutchfish: I don't have that file, what do I do? |
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| 07:45.33 | dutchfish | TurkSat, install smbfs maybe? just a hunch |
| 07:46.32 | TurkSat | yes I was trying to do that |
| 07:46.39 | TurkSat | failed, lemme try again |
| 07:46.50 | TurkSat | I have a bad internet connection |
| 07:46.57 | dutchfish | ouch |
| 07:47.13 | enouf | ~$ dlocate /sbin/mount.smbfs |
| 07:47.14 | enouf | smbfs: /sbin/mount.smbfs |
| 07:47.44 | enouf | smbfs: /usr/bin/smbmount |
| 07:47.46 | TurkSat | it works! |
| 07:47.51 | dutchfish | yippie |
| 07:48.12 | dutchfish | !tell TurkSat about fish |
| 07:48.27 | TurkSat | damn, it seems THE ONLY thing I needed was smbfs package which is half a MB, and I did so much ) |
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| 07:49.04 | Assid | hi |
| 07:49.17 | TurkSat | dutchfish: ok, ok. now there are things I know. but there are many I don't ) |
| 07:49.21 | Assid | is there any issues in using a "." in a username? like debian.com as a username ? |
| 07:49.37 | dutchfish | TurkSat, http://wiki.debian.org |
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| 07:50.00 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages file-server | xargs echo |
| 07:50.00 | enouf | smbfs netatalk smbclient swat samba-doc winbind nfs-kernel-server samba smartmontools |
| 07:50.18 | enouf | yep - weenies know better than debian does ... NOT! |
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| 07:50.33 | dutchfish | enouf, he prolly messed up with smbclient install |
| 07:50.42 | enouf | who cares |
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| 07:51.30 | dutchfish | !coffee enouf |
| 07:51.31 | dpkg | decants a fine mud of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 07:51.45 | enouf | !beer dutchfish |
| 07:51.45 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Guinness for dutchfish |
| 07:51.48 | owen1_ | how to use secure copy with win machine? |
| 07:51.49 | enouf | :-) |
| 07:51.52 | dutchfish | :) |
| 07:51.58 | dutchfish | i like that 1 |
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| 07:52.30 | dutchfish | feels his irish ancestor needs coming up |
| 07:53.04 | enouf | owen1_: howto use? install scp and google for windows docs for howto from that side - or see ##windows |
| 07:53.57 | owen1_ | enouf: i use putty for ssh. can i use it for scp? |
| 07:54.40 | dutchfish | points his bony finger to winscp |
| 07:54.51 | wols_ | owen1_: use filezilla |
| 07:55.25 | owen1_ | wols_: dutchfish: i'll google for winscp and filezilla. thanks. |
| 07:55.31 | enouf | owen1_: the only putty i know is plumber's putty and carpenter's wood putty |
| 07:55.41 | enouf | owen1_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438 |
| 07:56.09 | wols_ | !info putty |
| 07:56.10 | dutchfish | enouf, you forgot silly putty, buts thats prolly before your time ;) |
| 07:56.14 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-3 (sid), Packaged size: 296 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 07:56.43 | enouf | dutchfish: no, it's not, and yes, i completely forgot! |
| 07:56.49 | dutchfish | enouf, chears |
| 07:57.09 | enouf | slinky anyone? :-P |
| 07:57.35 | gnunixguy | before my time :) |
| 07:57.45 | enouf | why doesn't that description mention windows? |
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| 07:57.59 | gnunixguy | but i did play with slinky when i was very young |
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| 07:58.24 | enouf | ah .. well the real Description does This is the Unix port of the popular Windows ssh client, PuTTY. |
| 07:58.30 | dutchfish | enouf, prolly from windows 2.1, it hadnt blue screens then |
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| 07:59.55 | TurkSat | how do I search for files recursively? |
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| 08:00.16 | dutchfish | !tell TurkSat about search |
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| 08:01.16 | dutchfish | TurkSat, or use locate |
| 08:01.27 | dutchfish | TurkSat, apt-file is handy too |
| 08:02.49 | TurkSat | can I make 'find' search recursively in folders? |
| 08:03.05 | valdyn | TurkSat: it already does that |
| 08:03.28 | dutchfish | TurkSat, man find ... rtfm |
| 08:03.50 | valdyn | TurkSat: though maybe you just want to use locate, as its faster |
| 08:04.10 | TurkSat | locate doesn't work |
| 08:04.20 | dutchfish | TurkSat, updatedb |
| 08:04.29 | valdyn | TurkSat: im sure it does what its supposed to do |
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| 08:04.53 | valdyn | this channel needs an EULA |
| 08:04.55 | valdyn | this one |
| 08:04.56 | valdyn | !ask |
| 08:04.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:18.19 | MrBrush | does anyone know how I can save a link with LYNX? |
| 08:18.39 | MrBrush | or check what a the href of a link is? |
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| 08:22.18 | Bushmills | MrBrush: strange, when i press ? and look at key bindings in lynx, it is written there. |
| 08:22.30 | Bushmills | what version of lynx do you have that it doesn't tell you? |
| 08:23.09 | MrBrush | nvm found out |
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| 08:26.27 | XGas | usually, you can look at the man page for it: man lynx |
| 08:26.39 | XGas | :P |
| 08:26.54 | MrBrush | Anyone here fan user of links? |
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| 08:27.34 | Bushmills | !anyone |
| 08:27.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 08:29.46 | owen1_ | wols_: enouf: pspc is very simple app for moving files. works great. |
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| 08:33.04 | enouf | owen1_: ok, can i discard that useless info now? :-P |
| 08:33.22 | enouf | owen1_: <jk> glad you found something you like ;-) |
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| 08:36.53 | micols | when building a kernel it says "root device is (0,11)" what does that mean? |
| 08:37.10 | enouf | MrBrush why? |
| 08:37.14 | micols | it doesnt seem to be a partition or a /dev name |
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| 08:37.35 | dutchfish | is there a way to find out (passively) if an incoming packet travveled a diferent route then the related ones? |
| 08:38.03 | enouf | 1st disk, 12th partition, if grub1 |
| 08:38.16 | enouf | otherwise 11th if grub2 |
| 08:38.25 | micols | heh, i wonder what 11 translates into as its a nfs root :) |
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| 08:39.05 | micols | scsi id 11 perhaps? |
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| 08:39.23 | maligor | dutchfish, like Trusted Packet Paths? :P |
| 08:39.31 | enouf | could be major minor i guess - i've never seen that when building/compiling a kernel |
| 08:39.48 | micols | its always there, just where it builds modules |
| 08:39.50 | maligor | I doubt tcp/ip provides a mechanism to do that |
| 08:40.02 | dutchfish | 11 is hidden fat 32 |
| 08:40.11 | micols | hehe lol |
| 08:40.11 | dutchfish | maligor, sort of |
| 08:40.23 | enouf | hehe 0 Unnamed devices (e.g. non-device mounts) 0 = reserved as null device number See block major 144, 145, 146 for expansion areas. |
| 08:40.59 | micols | cool :) |
| 08:41.12 | micols | wonder what 11 is then, if its some octal number from hell?:) |
| 08:41.19 | enouf | dutchfish: is that what QoS involves? how about SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection)? |
| 08:41.55 | enouf | but usually GRub uses (N,N) but usually with hd(N.N) |
| 08:42.09 | dutchfish | maligor, got it now, i was way off, vnet related |
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| 08:42.17 | dutchfish | maligor, but thanks |
| 08:42.27 | micols | i solved my timeout problem with nfs root.. it was a bad realtek netcard .. after a few debugging hours |
| 08:42.38 | enouf | no, minors are much less worth |
| 08:42.54 | micols | or 'bad' , it works perfectly, just not for serving diskless clients with nfs |
| 08:42.56 | enouf | see ./Documentation/devices.txt |
| 08:43.01 | micols | it serves nfs fine to all other clients. |
| 08:43.13 | enouf | showmount, exportfs |
| 08:43.15 | dutchfish | maligor, 801.x & vlan tagging |
| 08:43.45 | dutchfish | maligor, was confused about ospf |
| 08:43.54 | maligor | never looked into that, but you must be right |
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| 08:44.52 | micols | enouf: thats one long documentation :) |
| 08:45.18 | enouf | micols: it's a quick reference though |
| 08:45.30 | maligor | dutchfish, this is purely guessing, but you might hit broken routers with vlan tags |
| 08:45.34 | micols | enouf: after a few days of mangling with this thin client + tftp + dhcp + iptables without sleep i dont think i can understand it :) |
| 08:45.44 | enouf | much of it is look up tables |
| 08:45.50 | dutchfish | maligor, but still need to learn how to coop with "that other os" using 801.x on wired lan |
| 08:46.13 | enouf | micols: why don't you tell us exactly when you're seeing that? and in what context? |
| 08:46.27 | dutchfish | maligor, no no the router is fine as is my m-switch, just my lack of knowledge |
| 08:46.40 | micols | enouf: it was not really a problem, would just be nice to know what 0,11 rootdev translates into |
| 08:46.49 | micols | as i recall grub uses that syntax too |
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| 08:46.55 | micols | thats why i really dont understand grub. |
| 08:47.23 | enouf | you're not providing any useful info :-/ |
| 08:47.41 | micols | 11 must be the minor as you said.. and there is no info, it just said rootdev is 0,11 when compiling. |
| 08:47.51 | micols | in between modules and kernel compilation :) |
| 08:48.12 | micols | would be fun if one could translate that minor to the actual device. |
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| 08:48.25 | enouf | i've watched a few compiles in my time, and don't recall that - but, i dont watch it explicitly |
| 08:48.31 | dutchfish | maligor, to explain a bit more, i am behind a transparent bridge that does vlan tagging QoS based, wich is then going thourgh a vlan switch and the to the default gw wich only decidedes on L7 to route or not |
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| 08:48.48 | micols | enouf: its good medicine you know :) |
| 08:48.56 | Crypticfortune_ | ok, very strange question, but i hope someone else is familiar with the symtoms. I set up this old p4 system to replace a dead router for my home internet via pppoe, and for the most part everything's fine, except for some reason IMAP can't read new messages from hosts behind the router (it can authenticate, but trying to fetch any messages hangs indefinitely while sending fin,acks). the router box itself can use imap just fine... any ideas? |
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| 08:49.14 | enouf | micols: it's easy enough to ascertain if it refers to a partition, .. think about it |
| 08:49.25 | micols | enouf: i have been compiling the past 4 years or so, and it has always been there |
| 08:49.25 | enouf | do you have disks with 12 partitions? |
| 08:49.40 | enouf | micols: and you're just now asking about it? |
| 08:49.50 | dutchfish | maligor, to make it bit more complex i just trying to setup my lan with ipv6 |
| 08:49.55 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: do you have a different imap server elsewhere you can try? |
| 08:49.57 | micols | yeah, never needed to play with minors that much |
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| 08:50.12 | maligor | dutchfish, nothing complex about ipv6 :P |
| 08:50.17 | valdyn | !clamp mss |
| 08:50.23 | micols | made a few sound devices with mknod, but thats all |
| 08:50.23 | valdyn | !listkey clamp |
| 08:50.26 | valdyn | !listkeys clamp |
| 08:50.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clamp' by key returned no results. |
| 08:50.33 | dutchfish | maligor, i am a newb to this however ;) |
| 08:50.36 | valdyn | !listkeys mss |
| 08:50.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mss' by key (5): msstandards ;; ddos mssql ;; mssql ;; _default msstandards ;; CMD: rmssmite (.*?). |
| 08:51.09 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: are you using manually set up routing or something like shorewall? |
| 08:51.14 | dutchfish | maligor, avoiding to brake my ipv4 net during transition |
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| 08:51.56 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: set up manually, using snat, hang on a sec and i'll pastebin the script if you like. |
| 08:52.06 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: no, dont bother |
| 08:52.15 | enouf | haha Web Your search - kernel compile "root device is (0,11)" - did not match any documents. |
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| 08:52.26 | micols | enouf: i dont have that many partitions :) |
| 08:52.31 | enouf | Results 1 - 1 of 1 for kernel compile "root device is (0,0)". (0.35 seconds) |
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| 08:52.43 | micols | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m30facc77 |
| 08:52.44 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: answer my first question |
| 08:52.45 | enouf | yep, it infamous |
| 08:52.47 | maligor | dutchfish, ipv6 isn't really worth it unless you have a uplink also |
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| 08:52.59 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: and i feel like an idiot for not trying that before, but yes, i just tried gmail via imap, and that works fine.... so only my lab's qmail server seems to hate me... >_>;;; |
| 08:53.07 | gnunixguy | manual iptables setup is good |
| 08:53.09 | dutchfish | maligor, hehe of coarse |
| 08:53.20 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: err sorry, rather the imap part is done by courier-imap |
| 08:53.46 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: you should verify that that imap server works properly, but |
| 08:54.27 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: if it does, read about the clamp mss stuff: http://www.nabble.com/Clamp-MSS-to-MTU-td16640590.html |
| 08:54.31 | dutchfish | maligor, i am switching my provider for that because he no longer gives me fixed ip (ipv4), they withdraw that |
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| 08:54.37 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: imap works fine when connecting from the router itself |
| 08:54.47 | micols | enouf: its weird, i seem to have a lot of disk-access overhead on my thin client, any idea why? |
| 08:54.55 | micols | its xfs |
| 08:55.01 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: this works around known broken routers in the path ( not yours ) |
| 08:55.15 | enouf | micols: no |
| 08:55.17 | micols | when installing via apt its terribly slow, but booting is lightening fast |
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| 08:55.28 | micols | (after dl) |
| 08:55.38 | eject_ck | Hi all |
| 08:55.50 | dutchfish | maligor, my new provider has ipv6 uplink |
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| 08:56.02 | valdyn | Crypticfortune_: im not finding the technical explanation as to why to do this, but you need it |
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| 08:56.17 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: ahh thanks. that seems very likely actually. i worked out that there's an upstream router limited to about 1424 |
| 08:56.18 | dutchfish | maligor, if that works out i switch my customers too |
| 08:56.29 | enouf | 144 block Expansion Area #1 for more non-device (e.g. NFS) mounts 145 block Expansion Area #2 for more non-device (e.g. NFS) mounts |
| 08:56.35 | Ash-Fox | sticks with ipv4. |
| 08:56.51 | micols | wonder if its easy to create a ram device, and mount it using fstab on boot?, and automate the filling of it |
| 08:57.04 | valdyn | micols: whats the point? |
| 08:57.09 | micols | would be nice to serve i.e. /usr and /bin to my thin client from ram |
| 08:57.11 | Ash-Fox | I see way too many exploits constantly patched with ipv6 to be comfortable using it. |
| 08:57.18 | valdyn | micols: thats a fucked up idea |
| 08:57.43 | eject_ck | I need advice how count incoming traffic for webserver. Under openbsd I used pfflowd and netflow collector. I need suggestion for better solution under debian. |
| 08:58.18 | enouf | so really (144,267) |
| 08:58.39 | micols | enouf: that doesnt make sense |
| 08:58.59 | enouf | sure it does, according to kernel docs |
| 08:59.02 | micols | what would 0,11 be then? can it be translated to some physical device somehow |
| 08:59.11 | micols | how does the kernel translate 0,11 to a physical dev |
| 08:59.14 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/devices.txt#L2275 |
| 08:59.18 | enouf | do the math |
| 08:59.22 | micols | or boot loader for that sake |
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| 09:00.27 | Crypticfortune_ | valdyn: awesome. that fixed it. thanks again! ^^ |
| 09:00.53 | micols | enouf: what would that be mountdev number then? |
| 09:00.57 | micols | i dont understand it |
| 09:01.16 | enouf | i don't know |
| 09:01.21 | micols | it says it starts at 256, makes no sense |
| 09:01.50 | micols | so we with some major or minor can select from dev 256 to 511 by adding to 0 |
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| 09:02.03 | micols | but i need major/minor from 0-256 not from 256 and above |
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| 09:03.03 | TurkSat | how do I restart network after editing '/etc/network/interfaces' ? |
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| 09:03.24 | micols | ifdown dev;ifup dev |
| 09:04.00 | TurkSat | interface dev not configured |
| 09:04.09 | micols | ifdown -a;ifup -a :) |
| 09:04.36 | cahoot | how about /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 09:04.45 | micols | if you use dhcp do a dhclient (dev) |
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| 09:04.49 | micols | where (dev) is optional |
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| 09:05.26 | micols | sometimes ifup will even run dhclient if your system is clever. |
| 09:05.35 | TurkSat | cahoot: it says Failed to bringup eth0, but the IP changed |
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| 09:06.30 | TurkSat | both ways work! |
| 09:06.32 | TurkSat | thanks |
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| 09:06.49 | chius | Hi!!!! |
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| 09:07.17 | chius | dear people... I would like to listen your comments about the mininote2133 of HP and debian installation. Do you have any expeience? |
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| 09:08.38 | chius | I could find info about ubuntu installation...... but nothing specific for debian and honestly speaking I preffer debian |
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| 09:08.57 | wols_ | chius: it's a PC laptop. what |
| 09:09.02 | wols_ | what's special about it? |
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| 09:09.32 | chius | drivers..... what works and what doesnt |
| 09:09.45 | maligor | more or less identical to ubuntu in that area |
| 09:09.46 | chius | it has suse linux pre-installed |
| 09:09.53 | maligor | probably everything works then |
| 09:09.59 | chius | :D |
| 09:10.14 | maligor | it's that via c7 thing? |
| 09:10.26 | chius | probably..... lets see.... I though that maybe someone in this forum has any kind of experience |
| 09:10.30 | chius | yes |
| 09:10.36 | chius | c7 "thing" |
| 09:11.31 | dutchfish | maligor, thanks, have it fixed, it was a switch config i looked over |
| 09:11.48 | maligor | dutchfish, it's not like I did anything |
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| 09:12.05 | dutchfish | maligor, you gave me just a hint, thats enough :) |
| 09:12.29 | dutchfish | maligor, QoS settings in the switch |
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| 09:14.20 | chius | thanks a lot any way |
| 09:14.28 | n0mad | why debian i sticked with Conky 1.4.4 ? |
| 09:14.32 | n0mad | is* |
| 09:14.38 | chius | I´ll buy it and try if there are few problems |
| 09:14.42 | wols_ | n0mad: what debian branch? |
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| 09:16.30 | dutchfish | maligor, now i only have to solve how to filter spanning tree proto in some of the vlan nets |
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| 09:18.06 | n0mad | wols_, im using Elive (its debian based) and synaptic shows only 1.4.4 (with attribute to debian) |
| 09:18.43 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 09:18.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 09:18.56 | wols_ | n0mad: now please install debian or stop trying to get support here |
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| 09:22.43 | BW^- | how do i do a one-time system clock update with a remote time server? |
| 09:22.58 | gnunixguy | thats funny :) now, can someone support me on Arch Linux? I don't want to switch to the #archlinux irc channel... /end sarcasm |
| 09:23.02 | BW^- | just like update-system-clock --now ? :) |
| 09:23.15 | wols_ | BW^-: ntpdate |
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| 09:23.27 | dutchfish | gnunixguy, resistance is futile ;) |
| 09:23.36 | n0mad | wols_ what is then etch version of conky in debians Packages ? |
| 09:23.53 | gnunixguy | actually, im getting used to the way debian does things differently than Arch Linux |
| 09:23.58 | Bushmills | n0mad: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=conky&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 09:24.04 | gnunixguy | and enjoying the simplicity a bit more :) |
| 09:24.08 | et | how hard would it be to switch from lenny amd64 to lenny i386? |
| 09:24.11 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 09:24.12 | dpkg | it has been said that debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 09:24.14 | Bushmills | may not be of any relevance to you |
| 09:24.16 | wols_ | et: reinstall |
| 09:24.16 | gnunixguy | et: just a reinstall |
| 09:24.45 | gnunixguy | i wouldnt say i "love it" but its growing on me.... |
| 09:24.45 | cahoot | distronomads |
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| 09:24.53 | n0mad | Bushmills, ah ok i get it now. |
| 09:25.20 | dutchfish | gnunixguy, no its modest .... the more i LIKE debian |
| 09:25.22 | gnunixguy | ubuntu to fedora to opensuse to fedora to mepis to fedora to archlinux and now to debian |
| 09:25.23 | TurkSat | how do I permanently change a variable? |
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| 09:25.43 | wols_ | what variable and where? |
| 09:25.45 | gnunixguy | dutchfish: true |
| 09:25.54 | gnunixguy | not enough information |
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| 09:26.05 | BW^- | thanks! |
| 09:26.45 | wols_ | BW^-: if you want to set your BIOS clock too from system clock: hwclock |
| 09:26.52 | TurkSat | wols_: well the variable which I have to otherwise enter each time by hand: export blah blah |
| 09:27.10 | BW^- | k |
| 09:27.15 | Bushmills | TurkSat: if you can change a variable (that's why it is a variable), a change can't be permanent - or it'd lose its characteristic of a variable, and become a constant |
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| 09:27.20 | wols_ | TurkSat: environment variable. what var exactly? |
| 09:27.21 | Bushmills | generally speaking ... |
| 09:27.52 | TurkSat | Bushmills: I just want it preserved between reboots |
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| 09:27.57 | TurkSat | wols_: environment variable |
| 09:28.09 | Bushmills | TurkSat: /etc/environment, if global. |
| 09:28.38 | wols_ | TurkSat: the variable has a NAME |
| 09:28.48 | Bushmills | if user scope only, /home/user/.bash_rc or .bash_profile |
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| 09:29.07 | gnunixguy | NTP or OpenNTP? |
| 09:29.13 | defrysk | ntp |
| 09:29.19 | TurkSat | and how to see all current vars? |
| 09:29.22 | gnunixguy | aye |
| 09:29.36 | wols_ | TurkSat: env |
| 09:31.37 | TurkSat | how to reload all vars from /etc/environment? |
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| 09:33.29 | Bushmills | for the current shell and subshells: . /etc/environment. for parent processes, telinit 1 ; telinit 2 should do. if not, reboot |
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| 09:35.20 | Bushmills | TurkSat: actually, i think i lied to you about environment |
| 09:35.32 | TurkSat | Bushmills: no you didn't |
| 09:37.58 | arcsky | if i want to add a test.txt into my tar file monkey.tar.gz without a new package operation, how do i do that ? |
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| 09:39.04 | wols_ | !tar |
| 09:39.05 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 09:39.13 | dutchfish | -A |
| 09:39.15 | TurkSat | what does this do - . /etc/environment |
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| 09:40.08 | TurkSat | cool, works, thanks |
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| 09:40.16 | Eulex | TurkSat, it sources /etc/environment |
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| 09:45.41 | obnauticus | Is there any VM that doesn't require a GUI, like i want to have a windows 2003 host, but obviously i do not want to devote a whole boxen to JUST active directory and Blackberry enterprise server functionallity. |
| 09:45.48 | obnauticus | how would one do that without a GUI? |
| 09:46.49 | obnauticus | like i can have an RIS net install and stuff...so that I don't need to see anything to install the OS on the vm. |
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| 09:46.58 | obnauticus | i just can't find any logical way to do that. |
| 09:47.16 | dutchfish | obnauticus, you need far more then that if you want this all in VMs |
| 09:47.36 | obnauticus | I just want windows server 2003 in a vm dude. |
| 09:47.37 | obnauticus | lol |
| 09:47.53 | dutchfish | obnauticus, you might want to delve into xen or kvm/qemu |
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| 09:47.55 | obnauticus | the only problem is i don't have a GUI installed, and it would be nice if i did not need one installed. |
| 09:48.13 | obnauticus | the better question, how would installing windows on the vm work without a gui :\ |
| 09:48.22 | wols_ | vmware server |
| 09:48.26 | obnauticus | oh ya |
| 09:48.27 | obnauticus | heh |
| 09:48.37 | obnauticus | I never understood that system. |
| 09:48.40 | dutchfish | obnauticus, esx sucks on that |
| 09:49.07 | obnauticus | heh |
| 09:49.14 | obnauticus | so vmware server, with a vmware player on my local machine |
| 09:49.20 | obnauticus | or whatever machine i want to control it |
| 09:49.29 | dutchfish | obnauticus, for xen or kvm/qemu you dont need a graphical screen at all |
| 09:49.32 | obnauticus | i never actually thought about utilizing vmware's software except for workstation on windows lol. |
| 09:49.37 | wols_ | dutchfish: not esx |
| 09:49.54 | obnauticus | Ya, but dutchfish how would installing an attended windows install go about |
| 09:49.58 | obnauticus | which has a graphical interface. |
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| 09:50.40 | obnauticus | has im not sure if it REQUIRES, maybe with RIS and an unattended distro it may not, if the vm allows it to just boot and do it's thing |
| 09:50.49 | Bushmills | can't you disable window's display manager? |
| 09:50.53 | Bushmills | or uninstall it? |
| 09:50.53 | dutchfish | obnauticus, hint: the easiest way is to NOT use the setup of the VM on the same system where you actually implement it |
| 09:51.08 | obnauticus | ya |
| 09:51.17 | obnauticus | Bushmills would that be an unattended then? |
| 09:51.51 | Bushmills | obnauticus: no idea - i'm not really the right person to ask about windows |
| 09:51.53 | obnauticus | heh, neither am I |
| 09:51.54 | gnunixguy | you mean you havent reinstalled windows so many times you have everything down to a T and can hit the keystrokes at the right time without seeing the screen? |
| 09:51.55 | obnauticus | lol |
| 09:51.58 | obnauticus | :| |
| 09:52.16 | obnauticus | well, you can create somethign called an unattended install |
| 09:52.19 | obnauticus | with RIS |
| 09:52.21 | obnauticus | and DHCP |
| 09:52.44 | gnunixguy | to install an attended windows install, you would need a gui... unless you go with an unattended install |
| 09:52.46 | dutchfish | obnauticus, what i do, kvm/qemu on a debian workstation, setup your win VM, sysprep it, take it over to to production machine, run the mini-installer with remote desktop |
| 09:52.49 | gnunixguy | up to you |
| 09:52.52 | obnauticus | it's netbooting an image, and then running it's own thing over the network, that's how datacenters setup like 900 windows servers at the saem time. |
| 09:53.10 | obnauticus | dutchfish what software would i want to put on the server? |
| 09:53.15 | obnauticus | and i would want vmware player on my client, correct? |
| 09:53.30 | dutchfish | obnauticus, zilch, exeecpt xen or kvm/qemu from debian |
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| 09:53.53 | dutchfish | obnauticus, and of course you win software for your vm |
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| 09:53.59 | obnauticus | wow im retarded, look what i ran |
| 09:53.59 | obnauticus | srv-03:~# apt-get install zilch |
| 09:54.11 | dutchfish | hehe |
| 09:54.16 | obnauticus | damn you |
| 09:54.19 | obnauticus | usin' fancy wordz. |
| 09:54.24 | obnauticus | i'll get xen |
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| 09:54.32 | dutchfish | !dict zilch |
| 09:54.35 | dpkg | Dictionary 'zilch' (1 of 2): aught, cipher, goose egg, insignificancy, nada, naught, nichts, nihil, nil, nix, no such thing, nobody, nothing, nothing at all, nothing on earth, nothing whatever, nullity, thing of naught, whiffet, whippersnapper, zero. |
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| 09:55.34 | obnauticus | !dict dictionary |
| 09:55.38 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dictionary' (1 of 3): a reference book containing an alphabetical list of words with information about them . |
| 09:55.56 | obnauticus | oh shi- |
| 09:56.16 | dutchfish | obnauticus, i wont want to drive you into xen, you should also look at kvm/qemu, for that bloated BB you need also exchange i gues, so, maybe you need both |
| 09:56.47 | obnauticus | hey dude |
| 09:56.52 | dutchfish | obnauticus, running that all on one host is not the best way (single point of failure) |
| 09:56.53 | obnauticus | I just got this blackberry yesterday. |
| 09:57.00 | obnauticus | dutchfish it's not crucial. |
| 09:57.03 | obnauticus | I'm only 16. |
| 09:57.25 | dutchfish | obnauticus, then BB is a waste of time, its a dying cult |
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| 09:57.43 | obnauticus | heh speaking of, I was at panda express and some chick came up to me and asked me if my blackberry had any `cool games` on it, I opened E-Trade and said that it's the only game it came with. |
| 09:57.58 | obnauticus | dutchfish the blackberry bold looks really cool though, and plus, it's cheaper than the iphone., |
| 09:58.05 | obnauticus | and the iphone is too mainstream for me. |
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| 09:58.27 | obnauticus | and you have to jailbreak and void the warrenty on something that's like $700, eh, not the smartest of things to use |
| 09:58.50 | dutchfish | i not gona discuss this, but you surely can delve up more solutions by yourselve, had a good look at all the open source solution that are not so bloated? |
| 09:59.00 | obnauticus | Openmoko |
| 09:59.04 | obnauticus | ya, i want one of those. |
| 09:59.37 | dutchfish | hint zpush |
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| 10:00.27 | dutchfish | then you wont even need a virtualized solution and much more modest hardware |
| 10:01.03 | obnauticus | oh you are taliking about me looking for an open source solution to bb stuff, and microsoft stuff. |
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| 10:01.10 | obnauticus | samba doesn't do active directory yet |
| 10:01.21 | obnauticus | support/do whatever. |
| 10:01.38 | dutchfish | have a more close look at the alternatives, yes,, ... like zarafa, zpush and tons more |
| 10:01.46 | obnauticus | wut? |
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| 10:02.13 | obnauticus | wow |
| 10:02.15 | obnauticus | that's pretty cool dutchfish. |
| 10:02.19 | dutchfish | google is your friend |
| 10:02.57 | obnauticus | still, the only thing missing on my network is a windows server, and this box does nothing but seed. |
| 10:03.15 | dutchfish | obnauticus, and that you even dont need anumore at all |
| 10:03.47 | dutchfish | do your homework, good luck ;) |
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| 10:03.59 | obnauticus | Well, I got 2 Debians, 3 FreeBSD's, 2 NetBSD's, 1 OpenBSD, and 1 Gentoo |
| 10:04.15 | obnauticus | not on vm's. |
| 10:04.15 | dutchfish | well, in that case you should now better by now |
| 10:04.22 | dutchfish | !xen |
| 10:04.23 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 10:04.29 | dutchfish | !kvm |
| 10:04.30 | dpkg | methinks kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios. |
| 10:04.40 | obnauticus | dutchfish, ya im only running it out of pure necessity. |
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| 10:05.00 | dutchfish | obnauticus, try to think the other way around ;) |
| 10:05.13 | obnauticus | windows is running me out of necessity? |
| 10:05.25 | obnauticus | in soviet russia, windows runs you. |
| 10:05.30 | dutchfish | obnauticus, thats not the right q ;) |
| 10:05.43 | obnauticus | lol, im trying out z-push |
| 10:05.52 | dutchfish | good good |
| 10:06.01 | obnauticus | looks good. |
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| 10:06.38 | obnauticus | heh (55.8 MB/s) |
| 10:06.43 | obnauticus | new reccord |
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| 10:15.46 | M0i | Bonjour |
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| 10:20.49 | flower | I want to build a realtime kernel. Can somebody help me with it? Cause it fails constantly |
| 10:21.11 | flower | I've downloading linux-2.6.25.8.tar.bz2 and patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 |
| 10:21.30 | flower | unp linux-2.6.25.4.tar.bz2 |
| 10:21.40 | flower | with the right package |
| 10:21.44 | flower | mv linux-2.6.25.8 linux-2.6.25.8-rt7 |
| 10:21.54 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.58 | dutchfish | !tell flower about kp-mantra |
| 10:22.08 | dutchfish | build a package first |
| 10:22.18 | obnauticus | lol dutchfish they charge you for zarfa |
| 10:22.43 | flower | bzcat ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 |patch -p1 |
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| 10:22.53 | dutchfish | obnauticus, hehe i didnt say it was free, but there are free alternatives as well, it all depends on your needs and budget |
| 10:23.05 | obnauticus | heh |
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| 10:24.50 | flower | dutchfish, build a package first? |
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| 10:25.52 | dutchfish | flower, yes install build-essential and follow kp-mantra, you maybe want to have a look at ketchup too |
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| 10:27.42 | dutchfish | flower, however z-push is GPL |
| 10:28.01 | dutchfish | oops was ment for obnauticus |
| 10:28.11 | flower | dutchfish, sorry you use a lot of words I don't understand |
| 10:28.33 | flower | when do I have to do kp-mantra? |
| 10:28.37 | obnauticus | oh my god |
| 10:28.38 | obnauticus | http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-Tattoo/?ALLSTEPS |
| 10:28.54 | flower | after downloading, patching??? |
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| 10:29.29 | dutchfish | flower, to build a kernel the debian way, you want to build a package like linux-image-your-kernel.deb and install it, so you can easely remove it later if you unhappy with it without having alot of trouble |
| 10:30.08 | micols | i get nfs write speed of only 1.5-1.8MB/s and read speed of 10.4MB/s-11MB/s on my 100mbit lan, what can be wrong, i did try playing with rsize and wsize but didnt change much |
| 10:30.11 | micols | its nfsv2 |
| 10:30.15 | dutchfish | flower, if you want to build a vanilla kernel that is, if not your simply can use the source packages form debian |
| 10:31.17 | dutchfish | flower, for the last option you can follow: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 10:31.28 | flower | dutchfish, I've downloaded packages from http://kernel.org ... what is vanilla? |
| 10:31.37 | dutchfish | flower, thats vanilla yes |
| 10:31.51 | dutchfish | flower, for those follow kp-mantra |
| 10:32.09 | dutchfish | !vanilla |
| 10:32.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, vanilla is plain | original | canonical | unmodified | ordinary | standard | default |
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| 10:32.48 | flower | dutchfish, and do I need to run make menuconfig? |
| 10:33.09 | dutchfish | flower, if you follow kp-mantra no |
| 10:33.30 | flower | ok but, how do I make it a real time kernel? |
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| 10:33.55 | dutchfish | flower, for that you need to run as an example make menuconfig and change the right options |
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| 10:34.23 | dutchfish | flower, you can start by using an old .config from your curent kernel (boot dir) |
| 10:34.36 | cahoot | also need RT patches? |
| 10:35.06 | flower | dutchfish, where can I find that old .config file and what is the advantage of it? |
| 10:35.06 | dutchfish | cahoot, depends on wich kernel, from 2.6.25.10 i dont believe they arent neccesary anymore |
| 10:35.33 | dutchfish | cahoot, for 2.6.26.x they are included already |
| 10:35.44 | cahoot | I see |
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| 10:36.01 | Testaclus | is there something wrong with the package servers? |
| 10:36.18 | Testaclus | i only seem to be getting speeds under the 10 kBp/s |
| 10:36.21 | flower | dutchfish, should I build a 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 10:36.22 | dutchfish | flower, to start out from a known working .config, you find them under /boot/config-your-kernel |
| 10:36.35 | dutchfish | flower, depends what you want to do |
| 10:36.38 | Eulex | Testaclus, try another mirror. |
| 10:36.56 | Testaclus | Eulex, err.. any idea on howq/ |
| 10:36.57 | Testaclus | ? |
| 10:37.12 | flower | dutchfish, I want to make a good running realtime kernel to make music with with a low latency and I need wireless connection rt2500 |
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| 10:37.33 | dutchfish | flower, or cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/your-new-vanilla-kernels-place |
| 10:37.48 | Eulex | !tell Testaclus about mirrors |
| 10:37.57 | dutchfish | flower, i did exactly that :) |
| 10:38.05 | Eulex | Testaclus, which mirror are you using currently? |
| 10:38.26 | dutchfish | flower, if you are on intel x64 i can hand you mine if you like |
| 10:38.41 | flower | dutchfish, x86 |
| 10:38.43 | dutchfish | flower, lldestop kernel |
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| 10:39.21 | flower | dutchfish, If you can help me to build such a nice kernel as you have, I would be very happy ... |
| 10:39.27 | Testaclus | Eulex, i don't know |
| 10:39.37 | dutchfish | flower, hold on |
| 10:39.55 | Eulex | Testaclus, check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:40.08 | flower | but maybe it is nice if I learn it to it myself too... |
| 10:40.54 | flower | dutchfish, are you dutch? |
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| 10:41.34 | flower | dutchfish, don't gonna ask if you're a fish... |
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| 10:44.02 | dutchfish | flower, this is mine .config (preemptive, with kvm and latencytop, low latency desktop options spcially for music and video on pal) http://debian.pastebin.com/m105a4e2a |
| 10:44.07 | Testaclus | Eulex, sorry, was away for a second, i use deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free & deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free & deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib & deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:44.43 | dutchfish | flower, bear in mind its for intel core2duo at least |
| 10:44.53 | dutchfish | flower, but that you can alter if you need |
| 10:44.54 | Eulex | Testaclus, so your mirror is ftp.nl.debian.org. try using another. |
| 10:45.26 | dutchfish | flower, yes i am dutch |
| 10:46.00 | flower | dutchfish, me too |
| 10:46.15 | dutchfish | flower, :) |
| 10:46.22 | gnunixguy | are you a flower though? |
| 10:46.26 | gnunixguy | lol :) |
| 10:46.33 | Testaclus | ok |
| 10:46.35 | flower | ;) |
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| 10:47.55 | flower | gnunixguy, yes guy a flower from Holland, and they are good I tell you! |
| 10:47.56 | dutchfish | flower, but you dont need all RT but hpet is enabled and cfq |
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| 10:48.36 | flower | dutchfish, is it set to 1000Hz and Complete Preemption (Real-Time) |
| 10:48.44 | dutchfish | flower, yup |
| 10:49.12 | dutchfish | flower, this one is for 2.6.25.10 |
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| 10:49.20 | danielhw | hi everybodoy |
| 10:49.25 | flower | dutchfish, mmh now I have to translate it to my situation... |
| 10:49.29 | danielhw | s/everybodoy/everybody/g |
| 10:49.35 | dutchfish | flower, good luck |
| 10:49.51 | flower | dutchfish, don't think I can do it |
| 10:50.07 | dutchfish | flower, what? cant do it, does not apply |
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| 10:50.59 | dutchfish | flower, you are after all dutch |
| 10:51.10 | flower | dutchfish, isn't it possible to use my oldconfig and edit it with the realtime settings of yours? |
| 10:51.29 | dutchfish | flower, yes, thats possible |
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| 10:51.42 | dutchfish | flower, just do it manually if you feel the need |
| 10:51.42 | flower | dutchfish, the the only thing i have to know, where can I find the realtime settings in the file |
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| 10:52.01 | dutchfish | flower, hehe grep it out |
| 10:52.41 | dutchfish | flower, or better use make menuconfig or make xconfig |
| 10:53.01 | dutchfish | flower, its pretty well documented |
| 10:53.28 | flower | dutchfish, ok, but should I use my old config file? |
| 10:54.10 | flower | dutchfish, I think I can set the realtime options in menuconfig, but should I do more in menuconfig? |
| 10:54.25 | dutchfish | flower, thats is up to you, the one i gave you works best for me related to music and video, but a lot is a mather of taste |
| 10:55.10 | dutchfish | flower, just do a run on mine, if not to your likings, who hold you back to alter it, mine does work |
| 10:55.23 | flower | dutchfish, mmh yes but I don't have a x64 and dual core, just a p4 Dell precision 360 |
| 10:55.41 | dutchfish | flower, then forget mine |
| 10:56.27 | dutchfish | flower, you prolly want P4 optimisations and not RT but preemptive, HPET, 100 Hz |
| 10:56.41 | dutchfish | flower, 1000 Hz |
| 10:56.57 | flower | dutchfish, not RT? |
| 10:57.07 | dutchfish | flower, do you use midi also? |
| 10:57.14 | flower | dutchfish, yes |
| 10:57.19 | dutchfish | flower, then no |
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| 10:57.24 | flower | dutchfish, play guitar |
| 10:57.31 | dutchfish | flower, keyboard |
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| 10:57.58 | flower | dutchfish, yip |
| 10:58.17 | dutchfish | flower, to my humble exp. midi works best with pre-emptive and 1000 Hz but not RT |
| 10:58.43 | dutchfish | flower, unless you have core2duo or better, i use E8500 atm |
| 10:58.45 | flower | dutchfish, ok and if you want to play guitar with a low latency? |
| 10:59.04 | dutchfish | flower, yes the same |
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| 10:59.26 | sylvain | Hello, how do I install the adobe flash plugin for iceweasel? |
| 10:59.42 | flower | dutchfish, ok I will start the process.. make menuconfig and ask you if I need some advice ok? |
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| 11:00.15 | dutchfish | flower, you can go wrong but start from a known working .config |
| 11:00.28 | dutchfish | flower, do it step by step |
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| 11:00.50 | flower | dutchfish, ok, how do I use the working config and do I need to patch a rt patch? |
| 11:01.10 | dutchfish | flower, maybe you need to roll a few before you have the best config, hey but thats all in the game |
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| 11:01.35 | dutchfish | flower, you dont need the rt patch |
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| 11:02.21 | dutchfish | flower, unless you doing an older kernel then the ones we talked about |
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| 11:03.11 | seriouslycgi | im having a problem with a dual head setup, one of my screens is turning pink? but if i swap the screens the other one turns pink too, so i think its a problem with a setting or graphics card (there are two old craphics cards) just wondering where to begin looking to sort this out |
| 11:03.23 | flower | dutchfish, ok I try 25.8 or should I choose another one? |
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| 11:03.37 | dutchfish | flower, no use 2.6.25.10 |
| 11:03.46 | flower | dutchfish, ok |
| 11:03.58 | dutchfish | flower, you are on lenny? |
| 11:04.16 | flower | dutchfish, yes lenny, but I have a mixed system with sid, but mainly lenny |
| 11:04.22 | dutchfish | flower, good good |
| 11:04.35 | dutchfish | flower, oh what sid parts? |
| 11:05.11 | flower | dutchfish, you mean which sid packages I use? I think some xorg ones... |
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| 11:05.50 | dutchfish | flower, as long as you dont touch the base system packages, you can roll your kernel fine |
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| 11:06.13 | flower | dutchfish, and the base system packages are? |
| 11:06.41 | dutchfish | flower, also for build-essential |
| 11:07.12 | flower | dutchfish, build-essential is from lenny, I think 95% are from lenny |
| 11:07.24 | dutchfish | flower, mix is playing with fire, but you prolly new that already, so i am not gona warn you |
| 11:07.45 | flower | dutchfish, I can play with fire quit well ;) |
| 11:07.58 | dutchfish | flower, dont get burned ;) |
| 11:08.11 | flower | dutchfish, just download the kernel from kernel.org |
| 11:08.13 | flower | ? |
| 11:08.32 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 11:08.33 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 11:09.57 | flower | dutchfish, download the kernel > add my old config file > menu config > kp mantra? |
| 11:10.09 | dutchfish | flower, basically yes |
| 11:10.26 | flower | dutchfish, download the kernel from kernel.org isn't? |
| 11:10.33 | dutchfish | flower, you have to bunzip and untar it ;) |
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| 11:10.45 | digitaloktay | hi |
| 11:10.46 | seriouslycgi | is there anyway to switch desktops in gnome by moving the mouse to the screen edge like in enlightenment? |
| 11:10.58 | digitaloktay | how can i find Truecrypt for Debian Unstable |
| 11:11.30 | flower | me = downloading http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.25.10.tar.bz2 |
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| 11:11.56 | dutchfish | flower, you doing fine, afk now |
| 11:12.10 | flower | dutchfish, thanks |
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| 11:12.34 | flower | dutchfish, I can use some support ;) |
| 11:12.39 | flower | 48% |
| 11:12.53 | dimi3 | Can I boot specific entry on restart automatically using grub? |
| 11:13.52 | flower | dutchfish, are you working a lot with audio and video? |
| 11:14.34 | flower | 99% |
| 11:15.33 | flower | me = unp kernel |
| 11:16.22 | flower | me wants to put my .config file in the new kernel.. how exactly? |
| 11:17.19 | flower | I'm working in my /home/name/KERNEL folder |
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| 11:18.51 | flower | me = going to /boot and copy the config file of my good working kernel to... ? |
| 11:19.06 | Nyle | good freakin morning |
| 11:19.44 | kaouete | hello, I just installed the kernel 2.6.25-2 from backports for etch, and the ipv6 module has disappeared, is there someone who know what happened to it ? |
| 11:20.03 | flower | dutchfish, me = going to /boot and copy the config file of my good working kernel to... ? |
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| 11:20.36 | flower | dutchfish, to my unpacked kernel, but which folder? |
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| 11:23.23 | flower | when I want to use my good working .config file with building a new kernel, how should I do that? |
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| 11:24.36 | flower | ??? |
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| 11:30.23 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.32 | flower | copy the config file to..... ??? |
| 11:30.38 | flower | my unpacked kernel.... but which folder? |
| 11:30.40 | beardy | !oldconfig |
| 11:30.53 | beardy | !make oldconfig |
| 11:30.53 | dpkg | it has been said that make oldconfig is what you run when you copy your old .config file into a new kernel source directory.. it'll take the values it can and prompt you for the others, or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 11:44.24 | aar0n | hi ... ssl-cert fails with an sed error every time i try to install it ... (debian sid amd64) |
| 11:44.31 | aar0n | is there a way to fix this? |
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| 11:48.13 | flower | beardy, thanks, but I'm not working in /usr/src/linux, but I've made a KERNEL folder in my /home folder... do I need to cp the 'oldconfig' file from /boot to /home/name/KERNEL/linux-2.6.25.10? |
| 11:48.31 | flower | and save it there as .config? |
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| 11:51.49 | flower | beardy? |
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| 11:57.16 | liable | yes you do |
| 11:57.40 | Jyzygzy- | how do you raise rules priority in iptables? |
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| 11:57.49 | Jyzygzy- | if thats whats its called |
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| 11:58.44 | flower | liable, you was talking to me? |
| 11:58.50 | liable | yes |
| 11:58.53 | flower | thanks |
| 11:59.12 | flower | can you help me now with kp mantra? |
| 11:59.39 | liable | did you msg the bot? |
| 11:59.47 | liable | theres not really much to it |
| 12:00.13 | flower | msg the bot? |
| 12:00.25 | liable | !tell flower about kp mantra |
| 12:00.39 | flower | ok |
| 12:01.03 | liable | if you use a debian config, you will need the --initrd switch |
| 12:01.44 | Nyle | kernels are stupid |
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| 12:02.44 | Nyle | liable, whats goingon |
| 12:02.59 | flower | liable, should I edit all those 'arguments' in kp mantra? |
| 12:03.10 | liable | bugger all. got 3d working though \o/ |
| 12:03.20 | Nyle | liable, radeon? |
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| 12:03.37 | liable | flower: nope, you can copy/paste it pretty much, except you need to add the initrd bit like it says |
| 12:03.42 | liable | Nyle: yeah |
| 12:03.47 | Nyle | yay! |
| 12:04.22 | Nyle | \o/ /o/ \o\ |
| 12:04.25 | liable | only taken two years to have working 3d.. ;) |
| 12:04.30 | Nyle | damn |
| 12:04.36 | Nyle | shoulda talked to me sooner :) |
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| 12:04.52 | Nyle | liable, I suppose you wish not to use fglrx? |
| 12:04.58 | liable | i did have fglrx working when i first got it, but i gave up on that after a few months |
| 12:04.59 | Nyle | I wouldn't |
| 12:05.04 | Nyle | yeh |
| 12:05.04 | flower | liable, like this? http://debian.pastebin.com/m1af6527 |
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| 12:05.32 | Nyle | my data is in complete disarray |
| 12:05.45 | liable | flower: looks fine |
| 12:05.46 | Nyle | will have to sort though his /home and organize |
| 12:06.15 | liable | flower: you need fakeroot installed for that to work btw |
| 12:06.26 | liable | flower: why are you building a kernel? |
| 12:06.37 | Nyle | maybe the debian kernel isn't good enough for him |
| 12:06.40 | Nyle | or maybe its too fat |
| 12:06.48 | Nyle | or maybe he has a gentoo syndrome |
| 12:06.55 | Nyle | kinda like down syndrome, only not |
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| 12:07.43 | flower | liable, want to make a real time kernel... |
| 12:07.54 | liable | oh |
| 12:07.54 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 12:07.55 | flower | liable, somthing goes wrong : http://debian.pastebin.com/m365674ba |
| 12:08.03 | liable | what does that do anyway? |
| 12:08.09 | Nyle | liable, real time? |
| 12:08.12 | Nyle | machine control mostly |
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| 12:08.20 | Nyle | communications with hardware |
| 12:08.29 | Nyle | robotics, mechanical engineering |
| 12:08.53 | Nyle | mission critical systems need rt kernels like 911 phone systems, missle control, nucleaur reactors |
| 12:08.56 | Nyle | etc.etc. |
| 12:09.01 | liable | flower: i cant see the actually error there |
| 12:09.06 | flower | liable, http://debian.pastebin.com/m137cb97c |
| 12:09.17 | liable | what does it actually make better though? |
| 12:09.27 | flower | low latency for making music |
| 12:09.39 | Nyle | http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 12:10.31 | Nyle | The standard Linux kernel does only meet soft-realtime requirements: it provides basic POSIX operations for userspace time handling but has no guarantees for hard timing deadlines |
| 12:10.43 | liable | Er is geen regel om doel <-- whats that meand? |
| 12:10.56 | liable | flower: make your output english please |
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| 12:11.50 | Nyle | Real-time applications have operational deadlines between some triggering event and the application's response to that event. To meet these operational deadlines, programmers use real-time operating systems (RTOS) on which the maximum response time can be calculated or measured realiable for the given application and environment. |
| 12:11.55 | Nyle | !rt |
| 12:11.56 | Nyle | !realtime |
| 12:11.56 | dpkg | hmm... rt is Request Tracker or Real Time |
| 12:12.08 | liable | hmm |
| 12:12.19 | liable | dont think i need it then.. |
| 12:12.33 | Nyle | !rt |
| 12:12.33 | dpkg | methinks rt is Real-time applications have operational deadlines between some triggering event and the application's response to that event. To meet these operational deadlines, programmers use real-time operating systems (RTOS) on which the maximum response time can be calculated or measured realiable for the given application and environment. |
| 12:12.36 | Nyle | yay |
| 12:12.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:13.17 | flower | liable, http://debian.pastebin.com/m68c3cbe0 |
| 12:14.29 | liable | flower: thats odd for a stable kernel. |
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| 12:14.44 | liable | flower: does that file exist in the dir it mentions? |
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| 12:16.00 | tingle | can i get a output of all installed packges whit apt? |
| 12:16.07 | Nyle | !installed |
| 12:16.08 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 12:16.20 | liable | flower: are you making a xen kernel, or are you just making a kernel in a xen instance? |
| 12:16.26 | flower | liable, no, there is no xen folder |
| 12:16.33 | flower | I don't know what xen is... |
| 12:16.57 | liable | flower: remove the -$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH) bit |
| 12:17.28 | liable | flower: is your box your compiling on a hosted box or something? |
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| 12:19.02 | flower | liable, hosted box? just my computer... :/ |
| 12:19.57 | flower | liable, same error |
| 12:19.59 | liable | flower: what does "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" output? |
| 12:20.27 | flower | bash: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH: command not found |
| 12:23.10 | liable | nevermind, i must be going mad, i thought i saw xen in your other output. it does say 1386 |
| 12:23.14 | liable | i386 |
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| 12:23.50 | flower | maybe there is a problem copying from /boot to /home/name/KERNEL with the permissions of the .config file? |
| 12:24.11 | flower | or does fakeroot solve that |
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| 12:24.30 | liable | flower: that doesnt appear to be the problem |
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| 12:26.01 | tingle | i installed both network-manager and network-manager-gnome but when i like to add one of them to my panel i dont see them listed (i use etch whit gnome-core) |
| 12:26.31 | flower | liable, in oldconfig, I should answer the questions with n? |
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| 12:26.41 | dbmoodb__ | hi i'm having problems removing the twiki package |
| 12:26.47 | flower | liable, for example: PCA-200E support (ATM_FORE200E_PCA) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 12:26.51 | dbmoodb__ | anyone got any ideas DocumentRoot must be a directory |
| 12:26.51 | dbmoodb__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.51 | dbmoodb__ | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache, action "reload" failed. |
| 12:26.51 | dbmoodb__ | dpkg: error processing twiki (--remove): |
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| 12:26.53 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 12:27.05 | dbmoodb__ | sorry |
| 12:28.06 | liable | flower: just hit enter the defaults will be chosen |
| 12:28.15 | liable | which is *usually* safe |
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| 12:28.19 | et | hmm |
| 12:28.23 | et | dpkg: error processing . (--install): |
| 12:28.23 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:28.26 | flower | liable, ok |
| 12:28.36 | et | what is an error? ;) |
| 12:28.59 | flower | liable, for pentium 4, I have to choose Pentium-4/Celeron (P4-based)? |
| 12:29.19 | liable | flower: did you remove the .config? |
| 12:29.38 | flower | liable, I copied a old one to .oldconfig |
| 12:29.42 | flower | .config |
| 12:30.13 | flower | and pasted it in the linux-2.6.25.10 folder |
| 12:30.27 | liable | flower: hmm, ok. i wouldnt have thought it would ask if you had that in there |
| 12:30.36 | liable | but yes, you want p4 |
| 12:31.19 | flower | liable, then save it? |
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| 12:31.51 | avcde | hi all |
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| 12:32.42 | liable | flower: yep |
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| 12:35.27 | rendar | how about installing emerald with debian testing? it seems i can't find a good repository for that...! |
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| 12:39.10 | dbmoodb__ | can anyone help me remove twiki ? |
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| 12:39.35 | dbmoodb__ | Syntax error on line 283 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: DocumentRoot must be a directory failed! |
| 12:40.03 | rendar | sorry, i got disconnected |
| 12:40.27 | dbmoodb__ | anyone ? |
| 12:40.49 | liable | dbmoodb__: well that sounds reasonable. what is your document root set to? |
| 12:41.08 | dbmoodb__ | /var/www |
| 12:41.47 | dbmoodb__ | nevermind it got annoyed cuz it was a sym link and now its fine |
| 12:42.28 | dbmoodb__ | liable: is it safe to move /usr and /var to another partition via sym links ? |
| 12:42.38 | dbmoodb__ | symbolic* |
| 12:42.58 | flower | does a smart one can tell my whats going wrong here? http://debian.pastebin.com/m68c3cbe0 |
| 12:43.05 | liable | why dont you just actually move them? |
| 12:43.11 | dbmoodb__ | ah ? |
| 12:43.33 | dbmoodb__ | i'm going to go mv blah to /media/sda/blah .. and go and link them is that ok ? |
| 12:43.52 | liable | link them? |
| 12:43.56 | liable | set it in fstab |
| 12:44.27 | dbmoodb__ | they are not on their partitions they are being moved to an existing partition |
| 12:44.43 | dbmoodb__ | or is acceptable to do it that way ? |
| 12:45.11 | micols | is there a way of exporting disk space left with an nfs share? |
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| 12:45.20 | liable | explain exactly what you are doing |
| 12:45.29 | liable | i cant work it out from what you have said |
| 12:45.42 | micols | so if user makes a 'df' he sees i.e. 97% filled instead of what the root partition has of space from the nfs server |
| 12:45.52 | dbmoodb__ | i have a nas device running debian etch. i want to move /usr and /var to /mnt/diskX/usr and /var respectively |
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| 12:46.58 | DawnLight | dbmoodb__: and you don't know how to do so? |
| 12:47.28 | micols | nevermind. |
| 12:47.28 | dbmoodb__ | i want to know if its safe to move them and use a symbolic link to point to their correct location |
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| 12:48.06 | liable | dbmoodb__: why use symlinks, why dont you set it in fstab? |
| 12:48.30 | dbmoodb__ | i would have to reboot ? |
| 12:48.56 | liable | just do a mount -a after editing fstab |
| 12:49.04 | DawnLight | dbmoodb__: you can put the files in disks you want and mount the disks in /usr and /var |
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| 12:50.20 | dbmoodb__ | ok will do that now |
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| 12:50.35 | dbmoodb__ | its fairly ok to move them while im using the computer yah ? |
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| 12:54.41 | liable | yeah, unless you do an update or something |
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| 12:55.51 | dbmoodb__ | liable: mmm do i need defoma ? |
| 12:56.34 | dbmoodb__ | (this a headless nas device) |
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| 13:01.15 | Coremeil | hey |
| 13:01.15 | Coremeil | :) |
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| 13:07.26 | liable | dbmoodb__: isnt that a font thing? |
| 13:07.37 | dbmoodb__ | yes |
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| 13:09.16 | liable | i guess you probably dont need it then. best you look up and see what it actually does. |
| 13:09.40 | CCNGoogle | how do i change or add a few commands that are run when a user logs into the console ? Like how mail is checked and last login details are displayed ? I want to display a few things such as users logged in load average and disk usage etc? |
| 13:09.41 | dbmoodb__ | sure |
| 13:09.45 | Greyscale | OK, so I have a vodafone modem connecting me over threegee. It doesn't seem to be setting my defaultroute. Firefox comes on in offline mode and hamachi (VPN software) connects but can't ping/talk to any machines it finds. |
| 13:09.46 | dbmoodb__ | liable: how do the fstab entries look ? |
| 13:09.54 | Greyscale | Is there a way of manually doing this? |
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| 13:10.19 | Greyscale | xchat works first time though, interestingly. |
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| 13:10.28 | Greyscale | Pidgin fails as well. |
| 13:10.47 | dbmoodb__ | just /usr then /mnt/di.. |
| 13:10.53 | liable | dbmoodb__: what, you think i'm your personal admin or something :P go read the documentation. |
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| 13:11.17 | liable | dbmoodb__: man fstab. look you have an idea by what yours looks like already |
| 13:11.23 | dbmoodb__ | done :) |
| 13:11.27 | dbmoodb__ | i can't man fstab |
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| 13:11.37 | dbmoodb__ | man is in usr and usr is not mounted yet :) |
| 13:11.45 | Greyscale | dbmoodb google is your friend :) |
| 13:11.55 | Nyle | yeh |
| 13:11.56 | Nyle | well |
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| 13:12.00 | dbmoodb__ | ah that nas just disappeared fun |
| 13:12.01 | cR1sH | hi! :) how could i set "echo 0 > /sys/class/graphics/fbcon/cursor_blink" always at boot time without typing it every time ? |
| 13:12.02 | Nyle | you know ... |
| 13:12.05 | liable | heh, fair enough |
| 13:12.09 | cR1sH | thanks |
| 13:12.09 | Nyle | sometimes my friend doesn't know shit. |
| 13:12.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:12.47 | Greyscale | This is all I could find https://forge.betavine.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=349&forum_id=19, but noone replied to that. |
| 13:12.49 | liable | cR1sH: man sysctrl.conf |
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| 13:13.50 | liable | hmm, or is it another. that man page looks like the wrong one.. |
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| 13:14.39 | CCNGoogle | maybe /etc/console-tools.config ? |
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| 13:14.59 | CCNGoogle | woops /etc/console-tools/config |
| 13:15.16 | Greyscale | The ubuntu guys are fantastic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/191889 ITS ALL FIREFOX'S FAULT. FIREFOX DUN IT! Ignore everyone reminding them that evolution and others don't work too... |
| 13:15.19 | cR1sH | liable, CCNGoogle: thanks :) |
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| 13:15.30 | BlackRose666 | hi all |
| 13:15.47 | Vadim | definitely |
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| 13:17.32 | cR1sH | bye |
| 13:18.10 | BlackRose666 | hahh |
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| 13:19.21 | Greyscale | I've decided network manager and vodafone connect client won't play nice |
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| 13:21.39 | flower | when building a kernel, is it normal to get some warnings? |
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| 13:23.57 | raz0 | flower, yes |
| 13:24.09 | flower | ok |
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| 13:26.37 | chut | hey epople |
| 13:26.40 | chut | i need help |
| 13:26.43 | chut | * #gentoo :http://www.gentoo.org |
| 13:26.44 | chut | <chut> can someone help me set up this webcam? http://rafb.net/p/snj0zS68.html |
| 13:26.49 | chut | oop |
| 13:27.08 | chut | how do i set up this webcam http://rafb.net/p/snj0zS68.html |
| 13:27.35 | Nyle | chut, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 on pastebin |
| 13:27.51 | chut | yeah |
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| 13:32.23 | CCNGoogle | how do i add a blank line between two command outputs in my .profile file ? |
| 13:32.52 | CCNGoogle | i have w and dh-h in there and i want a space between the output of them |
| 13:33.47 | CCNGoogle | woops du -h :) |
| 13:35.42 | CCNGoogle | echo did the trick |
| 13:36.04 | Agiofws | anyone into dial up modems ? |
| 13:36.30 | beardy | !ask |
| 13:36.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:39.13 | flower | when you build a kernel and don't edit anything in menu config, do you have the same kernel as the 'default' debian kernel? |
| 13:39.46 | cahoot | only if the .config is identical to the debian kernels |
| 13:40.21 | cahoot | so it all depends on what .config you started out with |
| 13:40.25 | flower | cahoot, how can I get those .config files? just from an installed kernel? |
| 13:41.03 | cahoot | you already know that - /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:41.21 | flower | yes ok thanks |
| 13:41.58 | cahoot | well - that corresponds to the running kernels config |
| 13:42.07 | flower | I'm now making a kernel without using a .config of my old kernel... how bad is it? |
| 13:42.36 | flower | I've just changed some real time/ hz settings |
| 13:42.57 | cahoot | in prnciple of no matter - but you must do the config manually then |
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| 13:43.07 | Eulex | flower, if you really have to ask, start out from a debian-supplied config. |
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| 13:43.42 | flower | ok |
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| 13:48.58 | flower | what is Xen in menuconfig? |
| 13:49.06 | flower | can I disable it? |
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| 13:52.59 | DawnLight | is there a kde thingy that lets users perform package upgrades and informs them and tells them to reboot when required by kernel upgrades and so on? |
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| 13:54.06 | cahoot | flower: you should be aware that kernel config via iirc is truly painful for all involved and watchers |
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| 13:54.15 | Hoxzer | Has somebody experience in combining connections of multiple mobile phones into one high speed connection? I headrd on bluetooth dogle can support up to 7 devices. I can use a spare server which has high speed internet connection to combine these links |
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| 13:55.39 | flower | cahoot, painful? |
| 13:56.30 | cahoot | flower: consider you have several hundred options to discuss |
| 13:57.17 | flower | cahoot, ok painful to discuss 100 options, I am not planning to do that, but thanks anyway |
| 13:57.35 | beardy | flower: About oldconfig, no, you don't copy it, you run 'make oldconfig' in your sourcedirectory. |
| 13:57.38 | beardy | !xen |
| 13:57.39 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 13:57.59 | beardy | If you don't know, you don't want it. |
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| 13:58.59 | Kalisto | could someone take a look at this wpa_supplicant. and tell me whats going on? i can connect without wpa. but not if wpa-psk is enabled on my router. im using madwifi drivers with wicd: http://rafb.net/p/OpbwpR78.html |
| 13:59.39 | liable | Federico2: i am getting the same error. |
| 13:59.49 | Federico2 | huh? |
| 13:59.53 | liable | must be a borken stable release |
| 13:59.57 | liable | sorry |
| 14:00.02 | liable | was meant for flower |
| 14:00.17 | Kalisto | liable, same error as me? |
| 14:00.31 | flower | beardy, ok thanks. but which oldconfig does he takes then? I'have serveral kernels and made several which didn't work... |
| 14:01.00 | beardy | flower: The one that's running IIRC, if the config is found in /boot. |
| 14:01.28 | flower | beardy, you mean the kernel I booted now? |
| 14:01.36 | beardy | flower: Yes. |
| 14:01.40 | flower | liable, I have disabled xen |
| 14:01.45 | liable | Kalisto: no |
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| 14:02.39 | liable | flower: so now whats the error? |
| 14:02.54 | wouterrr | Hello. I've configured my exim4 for virtual domains. I've done this using the following guide: http://koivi.com/exim4-config/. Now when i try to send an email to a virtual domain i get relaying denied. It says the user does not exist, but it really exists :- ) |
| 14:03.07 | Kalisto | is there a way to check if i have everything i need in my kernel for wpa-psk to work with wpa_supplicant? |
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| 14:03.49 | flower | liable, what error? I've a new one at the end: http://debian.pastebin.com/mbe12daa |
| 14:05.18 | liable | flower: ok, do it as root (without rootcmd=fakeroot), or try disabling rt2x00 |
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| 14:05.53 | flower | liable, I have a rt2500 wireless card... should I remove previous build modules or so? |
| 14:05.59 | m0 | !sudoers |
| 14:06.00 | dpkg | somebody said sudoers was You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 14:06.12 | liable | flower: just build it as root |
| 14:06.16 | m0 | !sudo |
| 14:06.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 14:06.34 | liable | Kalisto: you have a wpasupplicant.conf? |
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| 14:06.42 | liable | ah yes |
| 14:06.46 | Kalisto | liable, yes i do |
| 14:07.18 | m0 | !visudo |
| 14:07.19 | dpkg | well, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers) |
| 14:07.19 | liable | Kalisto: is that the output from using that wcid thing? or from manually running it? |
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| 14:07.53 | liable | Kalisto: i havent heard many good reports about that program |
| 14:07.59 | hoxu | !tell m0 about selftell |
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| 14:09.08 | Kalisto | liable, is there another way i can go without using wpa_supplicant? |
| 14:09.20 | liable | Kalisto: no, i mean the wcid thing |
| 14:09.26 | liable | you have to use wpasupp |
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| 14:10.35 | Kalisto | liable, i tried gnomes Network-Manager. and get the same results |
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| 14:10.57 | danielhw | hi all |
| 14:11.01 | Kalisto | afaik Network-Manager also need wpa_supplicant |
| 14:11.02 | liable | Kalisto: kill all of em, and bring the interface up manually, and start wpasupplicant from a terminal |
| 14:11.14 | liable | Kalisto: paste yupor dmesg output |
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| 14:13.23 | liable | Kalisto: and your lsmod output please |
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| 14:14.43 | Arafangion | How do I show my wifi connections, signal strength, etc? |
| 14:14.55 | vadmeste | Arafangion: iwconfig |
| 14:15.07 | Kalisto | liable, will do |
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| 14:16.16 | Arafangion | vadmeste: That only works /after/ you have connected. |
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| 14:16.29 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 14:16.33 | Arafangion | vadmeste: I want to see the available networks and their strengths /before/ I have - ahh, cool. |
| 14:16.53 | Phase | Whats the command to make the bot give me info on backports? |
| 14:16.54 | vadmeste | Arafangion: as liable said |
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| 14:17.04 | gnunixguy | is away: sleeping |
| 14:17.12 | liable | Phase: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:17.17 | Arafangion | Nice, and what's a good gnome-toolbar widget to show this info? |
| 14:17.22 | Phase | ty. |
| 14:18.17 | liable | Arafangion: network-manager, wifi-radar (dunno if its a widget/applet) wcid |
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| 14:18.45 | Arafangion | liable: I'll take a look at wifi-radar, thanks. |
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| 14:20.33 | Kalisto | liable, here is the wpa_supplicant debug output: http://rafb.net/p/RsYuz837.html |
| 14:21.13 | liable | thats the same as the last one |
| 14:21.21 | Kalisto | i just ran it again |
| 14:21.28 | Kalisto | here is the dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/Z2KRXT36.html |
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| 14:22.19 | TurkSat | I put this command in rc.local - mount -t smbfs -o username=<username>,password=<password> //computername/sharename /mountpoint |
| 14:22.34 | Kalisto | liable, here is the lsmod output: http://rafb.net/p/kdDNED66.html |
| 14:22.39 | TurkSat | but it doesn't mount the share automatically on boot :( |
| 14:22.43 | liable | Kalisto: an eee? |
| 14:23.04 | liable | wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3 |
| 14:23.42 | liable | Kalisto: are you using the wireless button to start wireless? |
| 14:23.59 | liable | Kalisto: if its an eee, come over to #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 14:24.41 | Kalisto | liable, yes wireless is on. i can connect to non wpa networks. |
| 14:24.50 | Kalisto | liable, ok |
| 14:24.55 | liable | Kalisto: well, the chip isnt happy |
| 14:25.01 | TurkSat | how do I solve this problem? |
| 14:25.06 | Jyzygzy- | the loopback interface is a figment of your kernel's imagination. |
| 14:25.14 | liable | i doubt you could connect to anything after that msg in dmesg |
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| 14:25.47 | Kalisto | liable, there is no one in that channel |
| 14:25.59 | liable | Kalisto: on irc.debian.org |
| 14:26.04 | Kalisto | oh ok |
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| 14:26.45 | Kalisto | ok im on |
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| 14:27.45 | sdubois92 | I am trying to get MPD to have AAC support, but i dont know if i can. The version of MPD in the etch repo doesnt have AAC support (for some stupid reason), so i need to compile it myself, but mpd needs faad2, and etch doesnt have faad2, so i need to compile that, but faad2 needs autoreconf to install, and etch doesnt have autoreconf |
| 14:28.01 | sdubois92 | and this is the same reason i run Arch on my desktop |
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| 14:29.55 | LeGreffi3R | "apt-cache searc autoreconf" and "apt-cache search faad2" |
| 14:30.07 | LeGreffi3R | should be libfaad-dev |
| 14:30.48 | xingu | the world's certainly not devoid of universal automagic makefile builders is it. |
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| 14:36.01 | slobad23 | can you buy debian boxed with documentation etc? |
| 14:36.02 | CCNGoogle | TurkSat try creating a script file in /etc/init.d call is sambamount or something and make it executable and run update-rc.d <scriptname> defaults 20 default and see if that works |
| 14:37.00 | CCNGoogle | woops update-rc.d <scriptname> defaults 19 without the other default after it :) |
| 14:38.43 | wols_ | slobad23: yes. |
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| 14:39.02 | wols_ | slobad23: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 14:44.43 | slobad23 | thanks wols |
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| 14:48.29 | wouterrr | hum |
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| 14:49.28 | liable | flower: built? |
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| 14:50.05 | flower | liable, in progress |
| 14:50.25 | flower | I think 5 min left |
| 14:52.33 | enouf | However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers of AAC codecs [9]. It is for this reason FOSS implementations such as FAAC and FAAD are distributed in source form only, in order to avoid patent infringement. AAC uses proprietary technology, and thus requires a patent license. Contrary to popular belief, it is not the property of a single company, having been developed in a standards-making organization |
| 14:52.38 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 14:53.34 | enouf | if you support aac, you deserve pain, or atleast abilities to compile shit |
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| 14:58.17 | Bac9 | enouf: I've connected a monitor to the box with the io controller, but there are no new boot menus (only the one for the scsi addon card), any other thoughts? |
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| 14:59.23 | enouf | Bac9: pastebin entire dmesg |
| 14:59.28 | Bac9 | enouf: I have the suspicion that the VP_IDE driver is trying to claim the card, but not sure how to tell it to use ide2 |
| 14:59.39 | \amethyst | enouf: doesn't decoding MP3 require a patent license, too? |
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| 15:01.43 | enouf | Bac9: you also mentioned something about TWO separate chips, the via82cxxx and the vt6421a or something (which is libata's sata_via ) |
| 15:01.57 | enouf | \amethyst: mp3 can suck my ass too ;-) |
| 15:02.40 | enouf | \amethyst: but i didn't need anyone's help compiling libmp3lame.so :-P |
| 15:03.06 | Bushmills | \amethyst: not the decoding as such, afaik, but distribution of decoder with a commercial appliance |
| 15:03.25 | enouf | Bac9: the via82cxxx was to support what your lspci -nn output for Vendor/Device IDs |
| 15:04.10 | Bac9 | enouf: there's just the four lines "VP_IDE: IDE controller (0x1106:0x0571 rev 0x06) at PCI slot 0000:00:11.1" "VP_IDE: VIA vt8233 (rev 00) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci0000:00:11.1" "VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0" "VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1" and that's it |
| 15:04.58 | enouf | !tell Bac9 -about pastebin pipe |
| 15:05.03 | Bac9 | enouf: and that module is already autoloaded, there's no other mention of ide0 in syslog except for when it finds the mobo controller |
| 15:05.12 | Bushmills | well, flac and ogg should cover about most needs, and it is nice to see that more devices are supporting ogg nowadays |
| 15:05.27 | enouf | indeed Bushmills |
| 15:05.47 | \amethyst | Bushmills: also for use of mp3 on physical media |
| 15:05.57 | \amethyst | Bushmills: including CDs |
| 15:06.02 | Bushmills | ah |
| 15:07.15 | enouf | i guess i'm a bit bitter about aac, b/c Apple, in it's infinite wisdom helped destroy it as well, using it as a means for it's iPoop store distribution/selling of adulterated quality media |
| 15:07.33 | enouf | not to mention any DRM protections they put into place |
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| 15:09.05 | Bac9 | enouf: those messages are definitely coming from via82cxxx.c, I grepped for the s VP_IDE string, so it's definitly the right driver |
| 15:09.51 | enouf | Bac9: so a) where's your dmesg, and b) why did you mention vt6421a at all ? |
| 15:10.39 | enouf | Bac9: you realize; VP_IDE appears only once in all the kernel source code, right? |
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| 15:11.00 | enouf | oops, i might be a bit mistaken, but .. well |
| 15:11.25 | Bac9 | enouf: a) scroll up, b) that's the chipset on the card |
| 15:11.40 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.27 | enouf | way to answetr questions though |
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| 15:17.19 | enouf | Bac9: i know you're trying, but without a full dmesg, and maybe more, i can't even attempt to help further - so i might suggest you checkout bugzilla.kernel.org, look upstream, lkml, etc, there are specific linux-libata abnd such mailing lists |
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| 15:17.36 | enouf | s/abnd/and |
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| 15:19.07 | flower | liable, mm he didn't build headers just image and nvidia and rt2500 |
| 15:19.36 | liable | flower: yes, you need to pass the kernel_headers option for headers |
| 15:19.59 | flower | liable, can i make it now, how? |
| 15:20.18 | liable | flower: yes, make-kpkg kernel_headers |
| 15:20.29 | liable | though it always seems to be broken when i do it.. |
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| 15:23.16 | enouf | he doesn't need to build headers if source is used to make-kpkg, afaik |
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| 15:24.13 | enouf | i mean, so long as you are making make-kpkg kernel_image, all headers should be available |
| 15:24.22 | Greyscale | How do I manually edit my routing table to make my ppp model the default route? |
| 15:24.37 | Greyscale | s/model/modem |
| 15:24.39 | enouf | otherwise, why don't you just d/l the headers pkg? |
| 15:25.04 | flower | liable, error 255 |
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| 15:25.36 | liable | flower: yeah, it never works for me either. |
| 15:25.46 | flower | and now? |
| 15:26.26 | enouf | Greyscale: maybe sysctl ? oh, or "ip route add ..." man ip, install iproute{2} pkg |
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| 15:26.52 | sherry_zhang | #join #gentoo |
| 15:27.00 | sherry_zhang | sorry for the noise |
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| 15:27.37 | Greyscale | enouf, a cursory glance at man ip didn't help |
| 15:27.47 | Greyscale | Quaver matthew # ip route add ppp0 |
| 15:27.47 | Greyscale | Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "ppp0" |
| 15:27.55 | Greyscale | What was I supposed to put? :( |
| 15:28.21 | flower | liable, anything I can do about it? |
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| 15:28.47 | liable | flower: not that i can be bothered trying to help you with :P |
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| 15:28.57 | enouf | Greyscale: the route man page has some decent examples on the bottom (sorry) |
| 15:29.01 | flower | mmm |
| 15:29.17 | Greyscale | enouf, off I go! :P |
| 15:29.18 | enouf | Greyscale: ls /sys/class/net/ |
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| 15:29.52 | enouf | Greyscale: maybe also man ppp[TAB][TAB] .. there's quite a few |
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| 15:32.14 | flower | is there a need to patch a rt-patch to the new kernels 25.10, if you want to build a realtime kernel? |
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| 15:36.31 | Jankosevic | hello |
| 15:36.35 | Jankosevic | short qeustion |
| 15:36.41 | Jankosevic | broadcast == nameserver? |
| 15:36.58 | Steve` | erm |
| 15:37.01 | Bushmills | Jankosevic: nope |
| 15:37.03 | Steve` | no |
| 15:37.07 | Jankosevic | hmm |
| 15:37.13 | Steve` | broadcast address ? |
| 15:37.48 | Jankosevic | the problem is, I don't have a broadcast adress griven |
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| 15:37.59 | Steve` | you can work it out |
| 15:38.08 | Steve` | depending with what your working with |
| 15:38.11 | Jankosevic | only, static ip, netmask, default gateway, nameserver |
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| 15:38.29 | Jankosevic | but I should type in a broadcast adress?! |
| 15:38.42 | Bushmills | tries to imagine the amount of DNS spoofing going on if DNS requests were broadcast |
| 15:38.44 | Steve` | the static ip and netmask will give you the broadcast |
| 15:39.05 | Steve` | if you tell us what it is, we can work it out and tell you the right anwser |
| 15:39.22 | Steve` | googles for a broadcast address calculater |
| 15:39.28 | \amethyst | 'ipcalc' |
| 15:39.29 | cahoot | ipcalc? |
| 15:39.54 | Steve` | http://pigtail.net/LRP/broadcast.html <-- |
| 15:40.07 | Jankosevic | unfortunately it's no no direct debian question......so I don't wanna trash your time ^^ |
| 15:40.08 | Jankosevic | network config under arch |
| 15:40.28 | Steve` | that link will tell you your broadcast address |
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| 15:41.15 | Steve` | 'thanks Steve`' |
| 15:41.16 | Steve` | np |
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| 15:42.01 | Jankosevic | thx |
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| 15:46.22 | Orfeous | thinking of install ubuntu server instead of debian that i have been running for many years now. |
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| 15:46.36 | Orfeous | should that be a good idea? |
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| 15:46.53 | liable | ask #ubuntu |
| 15:47.09 | Orfeous | ubuntu is based on debian i mean.. |
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| 15:47.25 | Orfeous | so it cant be too much difference |
| 15:47.32 | flower | beacause I'm not sure: is there a need to patch a rt-patch to the new kernels 25.10, if you want to build a realtime kernel? |
| 15:47.39 | cahoot | what do you wish to accomplish? |
| 15:47.54 | liable | a successfull troll |
| 15:48.19 | flower | to have a realtime kernel, to play with my midi keyboard and electric guitar and ardour and stuff |
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| 15:48.42 | cahoot | flower: sorry was meant for another |
| 15:49.15 | Orfeous | cahoot: was it for me? |
| 15:49.15 | flower | cahoot, maybe you can answer my question too ;) |
| 15:49.26 | cahoot | flower: didn't dutchfish tell you a few hours ago you don't need a patch? |
| 15:50.43 | cahoot | even provided you with a working .config? |
| 15:50.44 | flower | cahoot, you're quit sharp... yes, but I'm doubting if see meant that it wasn't needed for realtime usage of midi and guitar |
| 15:51.19 | Orfeous | flower: i havent got that realtime to work either |
| 15:51.25 | Steve` | [16:46] <Orfeous> should that be a good idea? <-- no |
| 15:51.29 | Steve` | but i don't have a reason for you |
| 15:51.32 | cahoot | flower: you might have better luck in this matter on #lad |
| 15:51.33 | Orfeous | was trying to get jack server running with realtime but with no success |
| 15:52.07 | Orfeous | Steve`: if you cant tell me why then all will be ok. |
| 15:52.09 | enouf | linux-audio-devices? |
| 15:52.22 | cahoot | linux audio ... |
| 15:52.33 | cahoot | dwellers? |
| 15:52.39 | enouf | -devs? |
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| 15:52.46 | Steve` | its a genarl fact that debian is for servers and ubuntu is for desktops |
| 15:52.47 | enouf | -dickwads? :-p |
| 15:52.51 | Steve` | but i don't have proof |
| 15:53.10 | Steve` | i wouldn't change |
| 15:53.22 | Steve` | but then again, i run debian as my desktop as well |
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| 15:54.16 | Orfeous | Steve`: because i am installing a new computer then i was thinking of installing ubuntu server and try. |
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| 15:55.42 | Steve` | by all means |
| 15:55.46 | Steve` | give it a go |
| 15:55.58 | Steve` | i wouldn't run it as a production box |
| 15:56.14 | Steve` | but if the backbone is based on debain, surely it can't be that bad |
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| 15:56.58 | Steve` | i use ubuntu on a monitoring node |
| 15:57.13 | Steve` | i havn't had any problems with it, but i havn't hacked it up to see its insides either |
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| 15:57.34 | Orfeous | :) |
| 15:57.47 | Greyscale | Steve`, its allright as a desktop |
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| 15:57.55 | Greyscale | I'd still use debian on a server anyway |
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| 15:58.10 | Steve` | Greyscale++; |
| 15:58.14 | Steve` | [16:52] <Steve`> its a genarl fact that debian is for servers and ubuntu is for desktops |
| 15:58.16 | Steve` | ^^ |
| 15:58.23 | Greyscale | They're not too different. |
| 15:58.49 | Greyscale | Well, it works better on servers than desktops. |
| 15:58.53 | Greyscale | especially not on laptops |
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| 16:01.10 | Eulex | debian works well on laptops |
| 16:01.16 | avu | indeed it does |
| 16:02.04 | wko | especially on thinkpads :D |
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| 16:02.23 | roxazer | !why aptitude |
| 16:02.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 16:02.29 | roxazer | !why apt-get |
| 16:02.35 | roxazer | hmm :/ |
| 16:02.51 | Eulex | !tell roxazer about msg the bot |
| 16:03.07 | bonez45 | I have used efax a long time.. it's pretty reliable...just curious if there is anything else like this out there.. that could save me a bit on the faxing charges. |
| 16:03.18 | roxazer | ty dude |
| 16:03.20 | \amethyst | roxazer: /msg dpkg why not aptitude might be what you're looking fo |
| 16:03.22 | \amethyst | er |
| 16:03.26 | Greyscale | Eulex, its a nightmare to get non-free drivers to play nice. |
| 16:03.44 | roxazer | \amethyst: yeah |
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| 16:03.55 | Greyscale | I don't care too much about free as in freedom as long as it works. if it works, good, if its free-free, even better. |
| 16:04.00 | Greyscale | Its not a primary consideration |
| 16:04.24 | Eulex | Greyscale, they have worked good for me. m-a a-i does almost everything. |
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| 16:04.50 | Greyscale | Atheros card and a ATI x1100 :P |
| 16:05.07 | tavito | hello, i can't get mplayer / xine / smplayer to disable the screensaver, while totem and vlc are able to do that. Is there any trick to get this working? |
| 16:05.23 | Greyscale | tavito, oblig: use totem. |
| 16:05.31 | Greyscale | :P |
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| 16:06.17 | tavito | Greyscale: that doesn't work with hd videos, because my pc is quite old and the performance of totem is not good enough |
| 16:06.39 | rendar | can someone give me some repository for installing emerald and emerald-themes packages in debian testing? |
| 16:06.48 | enouf | smells a windows weenie |
| 16:06.49 | Greyscale | tavito, well, atleast you have a reason |
| 16:06.55 | tavito | mplayer / smplayer / xine are the only options for me |
| 16:07.28 | enouf | tavito: what screensaver? |
| 16:07.34 | tavito | gnome-screensaver |
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| 16:07.41 | enouf | tavito: i use mplayer all the time .. ain' no screensaver |
| 16:07.43 | tavito | i have lenny |
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| 16:08.00 | Eulex | tavito, stop-xscreensaver="yes" in .mplayer/config for xscreensaver; perhaps there's something similar for gnome-screensaver |
| 16:08.16 | enouf | yeah. |
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| 16:09.18 | \amethyst | tavito: If you use Gnome screensaver, you could write a script that does something like gnome-screensaver-command -i & pid=$!; mplayer "$@"; kill $pid |
| 16:09.36 | \amethyst | tavito: gnome-screensaver-command -i inhibits the screensaver as long as it is running |
| 16:10.35 | tavito | the thing is that that worked when I used ubuntu, so I think there must be a clean way of doing this |
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| 16:11.19 | \amethyst | perhaps they patched mplayer? |
| 16:11.24 | rendar | well, i spent 2 hours to find a valid repository for debian lenny for downloading 'emerald' and 'emerald-themes' without success, can anyone help me please? |
| 16:12.25 | \amethyst | mplayer has a stop-xscreensaver option, but I don't know if that works with gnome-screensaver |
| 16:12.56 | tavito | \amethyst, well, i'll go with your solution for now. the stop-xscreensaver option doesn't stop gnome-screensaver |
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| 16:13.33 | \amethyst | tavito: someone submitted a patch to make mplayer do that a year ago |
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| 16:13.42 | \amethyst | tavito: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2007-July/052800.html |
| 16:13.55 | \amethyst | tavito: I don't know what versions of mplayer that has made it into, if any |
| 16:14.13 | \amethyst | ugh |
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| 16:14.27 | \amethyst | it does it by stopping and restarting the screensaver |
| 16:14.46 | h3lp3r | I'm using X (and blackbox wm). How do I enable a graphical login? |
| 16:14.53 | enouf | ~$ man mplayer -P 'less -p "^ -heartbeat-cmd"' |
| 16:15.15 | tavito | well i'll try the patch as well. thanks for the help |
| 16:15.29 | enouf | EXAMPLE for gnome screensaver: mplayer -heartbeat-cmd "gnome-screensaver-command -p" file |
| 16:16.25 | maher | h3lp3r: blackbox! l33t! try just installing xdm or something |
| 16:16.39 | tingle | h3lp3r: you should install a display manager like gdm or xdm |
| 16:17.00 | h3lp3r | maher: cool, thanks. And I like blackbox ;) all I really need is ircii and a web browser and I'm good to go |
| 16:18.14 | enouf | once a DM is installed, should update-alternatives --config x-{window,session}-manager be run to set the default? |
| 16:18.45 | defrysk | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:18.52 | defrysk | or kdm |
| 16:18.56 | h3lp3r | ahh |
| 16:18.56 | enouf | that only sets the default DM |
| 16:19.17 | defrysk | the session can be set in the dm |
| 16:19.23 | defrysk | in options or whatever |
| 16:19.29 | enouf | not by that command |
| 16:19.47 | enouf | plus the update-alternatives system is always there, afaik |
| 16:19.56 | defrysk | once the dm is up you can select a session like gnome kde or whatever you have installed |
| 16:20.07 | h3lp3r | is going to restart and try |
| 16:20.19 | enouf | you should be able to, but many times, it doesn't show up |
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| 16:20.29 | bonez45 | anyone have an alternative to efax.com's efax services..... |
| 16:20.41 | enouf | sendafax? |
| 16:20.59 | enouf | i have no idea, i don't use any of that - heard about them years ago |
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| 16:22.53 | bonez45 | enouf: hmmm ok... |
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| 16:26.56 | ma3x | can i install ipw3945 on lenny? |
| 16:27.09 | h3lp3r | ahh! I'm stuck in an xdm loop. it loads perfectly, but doesn't start blackbox afterwords |
| 16:27.30 | hoxu | h3lp3r, you log in and it returns back to login screen? |
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| 16:28.03 | hoxu | h3lp3r, if that's the case you probably don't start blackbox properly at the end of your ~/.Xsession |
| 16:28.21 | h3lp3r | hoxu: i was just using, 'startx' |
| 16:28.55 | hoxu | h3lp3r, startx? How is that related to xdm? |
| 16:29.16 | h3lp3r | hoxu: oh, that's how i was starting blackbox. it's the only window manager i have installed |
| 16:29.24 | tavito | enouf, the heartbeat-cmd option did the trick, shame on me on not finding that option in the manpage. Thanks! |
| 16:29.28 | defrysk | try apt-get install gdm it seems you have no dm installed |
| 16:29.35 | cahoot | ma3x: why not iwl3945 if it's lenny? |
| 16:29.50 | hoxu | h3lp3r, uh, I mean, if you use startx, you don't need to use a display manager... I'm confused now |
| 16:29.58 | hoxu | h3lp3r, what happens when you "startx" then? |
| 16:30.05 | enouf | tavito: ;-) |
| 16:30.23 | h3lp3r | h3lp3r: it starts blackbox. i just installed xdm to have a graphical login prompt |
| 16:30.24 | ma3x | cahoot: it stops working! when i do iwlist scanning it returns no results at all, despite the router being %100 ok |
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| 16:31.05 | hoxu | h3lp3r, you mean you used to start blackbox with "startx", and now you installed xdm and it doesn't start blackbox? |
| 16:31.05 | cahoot | ma3x: stops working? you mean it works initially? |
| 16:31.41 | ma3x | cahoot: yeah, then it suddenly drops and it won't work again until i do ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 |
| 16:31.51 | h3lp3r | hoxu: sorry. i mean that instead of xdm starting blackbox, i have a permenent xdm loop |
| 16:32.03 | cahoot | ma3x: sorry - no idea |
| 16:32.23 | Eulex | ma3x, I have the same problem, but I had the same problem with ipw3945 I believe |
| 16:32.41 | Eulex | doesn't happen very often though |
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| 16:33.33 | hoxu | h3lp3r, so answer to my first question is "yes" - can you show us your ~/.Xsession? |
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| 16:34.58 | h3lp3r | hoxu: i have none |
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| 16:35.58 | hoxu | h3lp3r, ~/.xinitrc? |
| 16:36.09 | ma3x | Eulex: so what do you do when it happens? |
| 16:36.31 | ma3x | don't you have some sort of script that detects there is no connection and brings it up and down |
| 16:36.38 | ma3x | down and up i meant |
| 16:37.36 | h3lp3r | hoxu: nope. I only installed blackbox by installing the blackbox and xorg package, before was text-based. I guess thye weren't automatically created |
| 16:38.09 | hoxu | h3lp3r, oh... is there anything in ~/.xsession-errors after a failed login? |
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| 16:40.26 | h3lp3r | hoxu: that xdm couldn't open display '' |
| 16:40.57 | defrysk | sounds like a xorg issue to me ? |
| 16:40.59 | hoxu | h3lp3r, hum, how did you install / start xdm? |
| 16:41.15 | hoxu | h3lp3r, and what debian version is this? |
| 16:41.27 | h3lp3r | hoxu: just aptitude install xdm. it started automatically when i rebooted. i'm using lenny beta 2 |
| 16:41.35 | hoxu | !bts |
| 16:41.36 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:42.08 | h3lp3r | hoxu: i'll post a bug on there |
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| 16:42.23 | VladimirBG | hello |
| 16:42.25 | hoxu | h3lp3r, check if there's anything yet, also check /var/log/xdm.log |
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| 16:42.50 | hoxu | h3lp3r, also, what's in your /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers? |
| 16:43.12 | hoxu | h3lp3r, see bug 402537 :) |
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| 16:44.31 | VladimirBG | I'm interested, is Debian suitable for a laptop user with some skill, and how easy(hard) is it to get fglrx on it, as well as propriatery codec support? Also, very important, since ubuntu killed my laptop hdd, is the same bug fixed in Debian? |
| 16:46.52 | kadath | VladimirBG if you can use Ubuntu you can use Debian since you should already know the package management system, etc |
| 16:47.21 | VladimirBG | ok, and the bug that killes laptop hdds? |
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| 16:48.05 | VladimirBG | the load cycle thingy... |
| 16:48.34 | enouf | heh ; ~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives | egrep 'x-window|x-session' | awk '{ print$8, $9, $10}' |
| 16:49.10 | enouf | there's a bug about xdm-config i recall seeing |
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| 16:49.57 | kadath | VladimirBG: Can't comment on that http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 16:50.14 | kadath | try checking the bug system |
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| 16:53.06 | gnat_x | i used lvresize to increase the size of one of my partitions. when i use lvdisplay the size is correct but when i look at df -h the old size for the partition is listed. i've since rebooted the machine. what step in all of this am i missing? |
| 16:53.34 | VladimirBG | I see that lauchpad has debian listing it as fixed, but I could not find any sign of it on debian bug tracker |
| 16:53.35 | slaytanic | gnat_x: growing the filesystem. |
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| 16:54.12 | gnat_x | slaytanic: yeah, i gave to little space to /usr/ -- need to make it bigger. |
| 16:54.14 | simonrvn | gnat_x: you gotta grow the fs too... |
| 16:54.28 | kadath | resize2fs |
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| 16:54.43 | slaytanic | gnat_x: I mean, that's the step you are missing. You made the volume bigger, but you also need to make the filesystem bigger. |
| 16:54.48 | VladimirBG | I'm kinda suspicius about installing any linux after paying for a new hdd |
| 16:54.55 | VladimirBG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 |
| 16:54.58 | |inuxmath | how do i add a route persistently? I tried to "up route add default gw <ip>" but it seems to fail |
| 16:55.06 | VladimirBG | it truly does kill hdds |
| 16:55.16 | Eulex | ma3x, I do it manually. |
| 16:55.17 | gnat_x | slaytanic: thanks, reading the man page for resize2fs right now. |
| 16:55.19 | enouf | haha ,,, silly update-alternatives doesn't handle shell options at all well .. so ; ~$ grep bin /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/www-browser |
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| 16:56.22 | slaytanic | VladimirBG: disks with really bad power management. I've never seen that happen on one of my HDs. |
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| 16:57.09 | simonrvn | VladimirBG: "suspicious"; likely it was a bad firmware/hdd ... |
| 16:57.15 | cahoot | slaytanic: affects my lenovo t61 for sure |
| 16:57.22 | VladimirBG | but, windows worked fine |
| 16:57.38 | VladimirBG | and I'm using Dell Inspiron 6400 |
| 16:57.51 | VladimirBG | it's supposed to be linux friendly... |
| 16:58.12 | slaytanic | cahoot: Really? My T60 is fine. But then again, I've seen a lot of T60 HDs go bad, while mine has survived. |
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| 16:59.28 | cahoot | VladimirBG: from what I've read on cause would be win accesses disks so frequently it never gets 'parked' |
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| 17:00.08 | VladimirBG | ok, but what I need to know, is this fixed, for good? |
| 17:00.17 | ma3x | Eulex: why not create a script to do it for you? |
| 17:00.35 | VladimirBG | another ruined hdd and I'm off linux for good |
| 17:00.55 | cahoot | then don't risk it |
| 17:01.05 | simonrvn | i'd ditch the machine first... |
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| 17:01.15 | enouf | VladimirBG: i guess it's time for SSD ;-) |
| 17:01.22 | simonrvn | sell it for spare parts... |
| 17:01.23 | hoxu | VladimirBG, could you hear the clicking when that last hd was toasted? |
| 17:01.27 | bonez45 | VladimirBG: how then did linux ruin your hdd? |
| 17:01.30 | cahoot | OTOH I read vista is afflicted too |
| 17:01.44 | gnat_x | great, resize2fs was exactly what i was looking for. lets hope that it solves the larger problem that i've been having. |
| 17:01.45 | VladimirBG | yes clicking |
| 17:01.49 | VladimirBG | lots and lots of clicking |
| 17:02.00 | enouf | VladimirBG: this fiasco with Craptop HDDs is starting to become like the fucken nonsense that killed Optical media |
| 17:02.00 | hoxu | gnat_x, which would be...? |
| 17:02.01 | VladimirBG | now hd now... |
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| 17:02.14 | enouf | so, SSD ftw i say ;-) |
| 17:02.16 | Eulex | ma3x, because it's so easy. |
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| 17:02.39 | simonrvn | ping-pong drive |
| 17:02.50 | simonrvn | (ty abrotman for that one) |
| 17:03.11 | gnat_x | hoxu: seemingly randomly the hard drive light comes on, and the drive starts thrashing. the machine slows down to unresponsive. screen freezes and caps locks takes 3 min or so to light up. |
| 17:03.19 | hoxu | SSD? Wait for the hype to die first, and early adopters have paid the research costs ;) |
| 17:03.30 | simonrvn | hehe, for sure |
| 17:03.37 | enouf | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080424-toshiba-demand-for-solid-state-drives-to-skyrocket-by-2011.html |
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| 17:04.04 | hoxu | gnat_x, are you sure it's not excessive swapping? |
| 17:04.05 | enouf | wow, that's a bit old :-P |
| 17:04.17 | gnat_x | hoxu: my new theory is that since usr was full, something was trying to write to it -- and was too dumb to tell the kernel to drop the process after X failures. (though i could never get to top to find out) |
| 17:04.41 | enouf | haha 2TB SSDs O_o http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/06/02/seagate-enterprise-ssds-and-2tb-hdds-next-year |
| 17:04.44 | gnat_x | hoxu: i've never seen my ram fill up - that i can tell. i have 2G, this is a newish machine |
| 17:04.45 | hoxu | gnat_x, if a partition is full, writes will fail, period |
| 17:04.48 | yigal | does anyone occasionally use the program 'wikipedia2text' ? It is not working for me now for some reason and I wanted to see if other were getting the same results |
| 17:05.04 | hoxu | gnat_x, do you have any swap? |
| 17:05.12 | simonrvn | enouf: wow |
| 17:05.20 | simonrvn | enouf: how big are they? ;) |
| 17:05.32 | yigal | no matter what my query for wikipedia2text I get 'not found' as the output |
| 17:05.39 | gnat_x | hoxu: yeah, 500M. |
| 17:06.03 | ma3x | Eulex: but let's say you're idle and you come back after 5 hours, you see you couldn't download what you were supposed to because the connection cut off |
| 17:06.06 | VladimirBG | so, bottom line, no one really knows if the bug has been fixed or not? |
| 17:06.07 | enouf | simonrvn: you got me man |
| 17:06.23 | hoxu | gnat_x, how about unactivating it, if you have 2 GiB of memory and it gets used the swap won't probably help you anyway |
| 17:06.41 | gnat_x | hoxu: it happens with swapoff as well. |
| 17:06.54 | hoxu | what does? |
| 17:07.01 | hoxu | the trashing? |
| 17:07.06 | gnat_x | that hard drive thrashing thing i was describing |
| 17:07.06 | petemc | VladimirBG: why dont you complain to the people who made the hardware you bought for not writing software to make it work properly |
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| 17:08.41 | enouf | gnat_x: sounds like swap thrashing |
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| 17:08.55 | hoxu | enouf, if I understood it right, it also happens after swapoff has been run |
| 17:08.57 | VladimirBG | petemc, why thank you for such wonderfull advice |
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| 17:09.23 | hoxu | VladimirBG, just ignore that advice, complaining is good but does not remove the need for a workaround since people have already paid for that hw |
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| 17:09.32 | enouf | hoxu: well, swap storm i mean, but perhaps because of horrid OOM settings ; http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/26/236 |
| 17:09.35 | simonrvn | !ops Webz16 spamming |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Webz16 spamming |
| 17:09.41 | enouf | gnat_x: see that URL |
| 17:09.43 | simonrvn | oh bah |
| 17:10.03 | petemc | VladimirBG: it was a question |
| 17:10.26 | VladimirBG | hoxu, I know, I was being sarcastic |
| 17:10.33 | enouf | hoxu: though, swapoff should make it worse, but again depends on /proc/sys/vm/overcommit* settings i guess |
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| 17:11.36 | VladimirBG | petemc, not one maker, but multiple makers of hdds are effected as I read on various forums |
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| 17:11.59 | VladimirBG | petemc, so I doubt complaining and wining get further from a spambox |
| 17:12.11 | petemc | but its ok to do it here?e |
| 17:12.29 | simonrvn | yeh, because it's irc |
| 17:12.33 | simonrvn | runs away |
| 17:12.33 | enouf | VladimirBG: just like crapass 3d drivers, non-open shit breaks shit |
| 17:13.09 | VladimirBG | ok, all I wanted to know is if the bug was fixed, not get into a heated disscusion |
| 17:13.14 | simonrvn | VladimirBG: likely they all got similar firmware, and it was badly coded |
| 17:13.48 | simonrvn | (wouldn't be the first time...) |
| 17:14.09 | VladimirBG | simonrvn, got that much |
| 17:14.26 | VladimirBG | so no one know, meaning no linux for me... that's all I wanted to know |
| 17:14.40 | petemc | it works well for many thousands of laptop users |
| 17:14.42 | gnat_x | enouf: thanks, reading. |
| 17:14.45 | enouf | and yes, even horrid buggy BIOSes could allow you to fry your box, not to mention how Sony sold Blowup batteries .. and i'm not talkin about Dolls |
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| 17:15.50 | simonrvn | or screwed up caps |
| 17:16.12 | enouf | gnat_x: more about that http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting but what's your top/htop look like when it occurs, free output? How much system RAM? what software are you running? |
| 17:16.30 | xingu | VladimirBG: if there's a bug at all it'd be highly vendor/firmware dependant, nothing to do with linux. |
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| 17:16.40 | simonrvn | exactly |
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| 17:16.55 | ma3x | enouf: sony too? i thought only dell had those batteries |
| 17:16.58 | enouf | simonrvn: heh, .. bulging caps .. ooops, "someone left the cake out in the rain" :-P |
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| 17:17.02 | k-jah | hi |
| 17:17.16 | simonrvn | enouf: yeh =) |
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| 17:18.04 | enouf | ma3x: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit |
| 17:18.37 | enouf | (figure, i'd make this comical) :-p |
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| 17:19.31 | enouf | (oops, might not be appropriate for all readers) |
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| 17:21.40 | flower | shoot, I build the kernel finally, but he cant boot /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda2 :/ he doubts if it is ext2f...? |
| 17:22.38 | flower | other kernel just boots it |
| 17:23.24 | flower | ???? |
| 17:23.52 | infinitycircuit | flower, how big of a kernel jump is there? is it an issue with the libata transition |
| 17:23.53 | gnat_x | enouf: i haven't been able to get a top when it happens. I have 2G of RAM, running iceweasel3, icedove, xfce4 a few terminals and docapps - right now it looks like npviewer (flash) is running. i often run ie6 (from ies4linux) or have been in the last few days when this has been happening. |
| 17:24.06 | enouf | flower: this is all i'll say, start with the config from old working kernel - if an initrd is used you need to allow for that - and then run 'make oldconfig' (new kernel source, starting with old copied over .config) |
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| 17:24.14 | gnat_x | enouf: there's no one particular thing that sets it off |
| 17:24.26 | Nyle | Bushmills, how much crack have you been smoking lately? |
| 17:24.38 | Nyle | Bushmills, ;) what you talkin about man!? |
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| 17:24.47 | Nyle | simonrvn, hey |
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| 17:24.57 | Nyle | enouf, grampa |
| 17:25.02 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:25.03 | flower | enouf, I did, first make oldconfig and then make xconfig |
| 17:25.08 | Nyle | flower, you still on kernel |
| 17:25.10 | Nyle | damn |
| 17:25.19 | flower | realy sucks |
| 17:25.26 | enouf | gnat_x: you need to detect the symptoms earlier, drop to a TTY and login as root (do this prior even) then run top/htop |
| 17:25.29 | flower | I spend now about 14 hours to make one |
| 17:25.32 | enouf | and kill shit |
| 17:25.52 | Nyle | damn |
| 17:25.58 | enouf | Nyle: why were you talking about penis' on fire in hardware? |
| 17:25.59 | wols_ | gnat_x: On a machine with only 256 MB I tried to run IS4linux on a heavy jscript site. after a 1/4 hour mar, the PC is unusable and constantly swapping |
| 17:25.59 | cahoot | flower: it might be the new kernel expects /dev/sda* |
| 17:26.03 | enouf | hides |
| 17:26.06 | Nyle | enouf, I wasn't |
| 17:26.14 | cahoot | flower: (in menu.lst) |
| 17:26.17 | Nyle | enouf, some guy said his penis was on fire, and another guy said he didn't care |
| 17:26.28 | smace | I need help installing one library. In fact, I seem to not able to install the right version of "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3". I've tried to aptitude it but I do not have the exact version so it does not work. |
| 17:26.31 | cahoot | flower: you can test that from grubs command line |
| 17:26.32 | enouf | flower: well you fucked up somewhere |
| 17:26.35 | Nyle | enouf, thats very unhumanly... how could you just stand there and let another man's penis on fire.. thats just wrong |
| 17:26.45 | enouf | see? |
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| 17:27.05 | enouf | and that' |
| 17:27.16 | flower | cahoot, how? |
| 17:27.17 | enouf | 's the ##hardware channel .. haha |
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| 17:28.13 | flower | enouf, I just changed from pentium III or pro to p4.. and edit the realtime stuff |
| 17:28.30 | enouf | gnat_x: and as another mentioned - you might want to --purge remove Crappy Apps |
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| 17:28.54 | enouf | flower: likely initrd related then mayve |
| 17:29.10 | enouf | flower: you use make-kpkg? |
| 17:29.19 | enouf | pass the --initrd option? |
| 17:29.45 | flower | enouf, yes in k mantra or something |
| 17:29.58 | enouf | or it could be as easy as cahoot mentioned |
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| 17:30.22 | enouf | where did .config come from? |
| 17:30.28 | enouf | which kernel? |
| 17:30.31 | enouf | who's? |
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| 17:30.42 | Pryon | smace: that looks like two library names smashed together. Are you certain you got that right? |
| 17:30.42 | flower | 25.2 i think from debian unstable |
| 17:31.06 | gnat_x | enouf: now the IE testing that i was doing, i think we'll see if that was causing it. |
| 17:31.20 | enouf | flower: the working .config came from? |
| 17:31.29 | enouf | gnat_x: bingo |
| 17:31.38 | smace | Pryon: the error I've got is: "Can't open lib '/usr/lib/unixODBC/libOdbcJdbc.so' : libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file" |
| 17:31.46 | flower | enouf, 25.2 i think from debian unstable |
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| 17:32.02 | enouf | flower: and vanilla sources now? or debian source? |
| 17:32.06 | smace | Pryon: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 seems to be missing . |
| 17:32.15 | flower | enouf, kernel.org |
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| 17:32.32 | enouf | vanilla, ok, and did you use the --initrd option? |
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| 17:33.00 | flower | enouf, yes |
| 17:33.03 | Pryon | smace: What program are you running that gives this error? |
| 17:33.14 | smace | Pryon: unixodbc isql |
| 17:33.17 | simonrvn | !libstdc++-libc6.2-2 |
| 17:33.22 | simonrvn | !libstdc++ |
| 17:33.34 | enouf | flower: so debian's .25-2 or whatever boots fine? if so, it's likely not a sda vs hda issue |
| 17:33.50 | enouf | flower: so you made a .deb? |
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| 17:33.56 | simonrvn | !libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 17:33.56 | flower | enouf, yes |
| 17:33.56 | dpkg | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is, like, apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 (but this is only in woody! If you need this in sarge or sid, add a woody line to sources.list) |
| 17:33.58 | enouf | flower: and installed it? |
| 17:34.02 | flower | enouf, yes |
| 17:34.08 | simonrvn | !libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.3 |
| 17:34.15 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 17:34.39 | smace | simonrvn: what does 'sigh' mean? |
| 17:34.46 | enouf | flower: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version <-- new kernel |
| 17:35.00 | simonrvn | smace: ignore that |
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| 17:37.04 | smace | !woody sources.list |
| 17:37.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody sources.list is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" |
| 17:37.15 | enouf | flower: you used dpkg -i linux-image-version.deb to install? it should've autogenerated a nice new initrd ,.. see what your settings are in /etc/kernel-img.conf , man kernel-img.conf -- make sure symlinks in '/' point to new kernel AND new initrd |
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| 17:37.40 | smace | dpkg: smart :D |
| 17:37.40 | dpkg | smace: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:37.47 | flower | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m3b55d872 |
| 17:37.57 | flower | enouf, yes i did |
| 17:38.04 | enouf | which should both be pointing to /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd... respectviely |
| 17:39.38 | enouf | flower: ls -l /vmlinuz |
| 17:40.01 | smace | GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org woody/non-US Release: As assinaturas a seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido a chave pública não estar disponÃÂÂvel: NO_PUBKEY 6FFA8EF91DB114E0 ... is it broken ? |
| 17:40.06 | flower | enouf, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 jul 5 19:11 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.10-debianstudio32-i386 |
| 17:40.41 | enouf | flower: ls -l /initrd.img |
| 17:41.01 | flower | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 jul 5 19:11 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.25.10-debianstudio32-i386 |
| 17:41.27 | enouf | flower: ok, dunno then .. tell us more about when exatly boot fails, and EXACT error messages |
| 17:42.22 | smace | needs one tool to finding working repositories. dpkg tip complains about Public Key. |
| 17:42.34 | enouf | flower: also, review menu.lst and ensure your new kernel contains the same root (hd0,0) or whatever as last known working kernel stanza |
| 17:42.44 | flower | enouf, the message is at the beginning after: resume libgcrypt |
| 17:42.53 | enouf | oh dear |
| 17:42.56 | enouf | crypto? |
| 17:43.16 | flower | enouf, libgcrypt |
| 17:43.24 | enouf | you have a resume=/dev/name in your grub menu.lst options? |
| 17:43.35 | enouf | cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 17:44.28 | enouf | flower: so much for my prior statement of "this is all i will say ... " eh? :-P |
| 17:44.49 | flower | enouf, (hd0,0) in menu.lst |
| 17:44.51 | smace | !dpkg aptitude public key |
| 17:45.07 | smace | !dpkg public key |
| 17:45.07 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 17:45.07 | enouf | smace /msg dpkg public key |
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| 17:45.36 | enouf | !tell smace -about msg the bot |
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| 17:48.21 | flower | enouf, what do you advice me to do... ? |
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| 17:49.59 | enouf | flower: i'm not sure what to do in crypto situations, why is it falling back to that? pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst .. and tell me cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 17:50.39 | flower | enouf, |
| 17:50.39 | flower | # cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:50.39 | flower | root=UUID=e3842b04-0cc4-4a3a-a555-5e348ae32e5b ro quiet |
| 17:51.33 | enouf | erm, ubuntu? |
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| 17:52.26 | flower | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m70eaae2 |
| 17:53.00 | enouf | flower: er, i asked for the whole fle |
| 17:53.03 | enouf | file |
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| 17:54.07 | flower | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m6e76e23c |
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| 17:57.30 | enouf | flower: that all looks good |
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| 17:58.10 | enouf | flower: i don't even see how there's a resume libgcrypt anywhere |
| 17:58.56 | Bac9 | enouf: good/bad news... I reseated the card and it's now detected by Linux, the kernel is erroring all over the place with the card (it's a new card) vt6421 chipset according to lspci |
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| 17:59.32 | enouf | flower: <flower> shoot, I build the kernel finally, but he cant boot /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda2 :/ he doubts if it is ext2f...? <-- explain that further, and also explain how libgcrypt relates to that |
| 17:59.49 | enouf | Bac9: yikes .. |
| 17:59.56 | Bac9 | enouf: ans soon at the kernel probes for ata2 it starts throwing errors about not being able to intialize the card |
| 18:00.07 | flower | enouf, can I find a file with the booting errors? |
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| 18:00.12 | Bac9 | enouf: yes :-( |
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| 18:00.33 | Anthro_ | I'm having trouble getting hostapd working with a madwifi-supported card. When it tries to start, I get: ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument |
| 18:00.39 | enouf | Bac9: seems the card needs via82cxxx to talk to/across the PCI Bus, and vt6421 for the SATA drives you plan to connect, how friggin odd :-P |
| 18:00.54 | Bac9 | enouf: the kernel doesn't even respont to Alt+SysRq hotkeys, I have to hard reboot the box |
| 18:00.56 | Anthro_ | Any suggestions? |
| 18:01.09 | liable | Anthro_: try #madwifi |
| 18:01.17 | Bac9 | enouf: actually I thing the via82cxxx was for my mobo ide controller... |
| 18:01.23 | Anthro_ | liable: okay, thanks |
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| 18:01.31 | liable | Anthro_: have you seen the hostapd doc on the madwifi website? |
| 18:01.57 | Bac9 | enouf: my assumption was the card wasn't seated tight enough and hence was never detected before (as now I see another row in lspci that I didn't see before) |
| 18:02.08 | enouf | flower: doubt it, you can attach a serial console, or ssh in and do it, or you can pause the bootup using Shift+ScrollLock? i forget now offhand.. hit any key to resume |
| 18:02.30 | enouf | Bac9: can you pastebin lspci? |
| 18:02.32 | enouf | now? |
| 18:02.57 | enouf | Bac9: lspci -nn |
| 18:03.19 | Bac9 | enouf: no, don't have net access on the box, I had to disconnect it to open it up, but it's VT6421 chipset (via) |
| 18:03.38 | enouf | Bac9: and no, it wasn't for your Mobo IDE Controller as the one you showed was definitely a PCI CARD |
| 18:04.00 | xomhau | hi all, what does this error message mean: hda: host side 80-wire cable detection failed, limiting max speed to UDMA33 |
| 18:04.04 | enouf | IIRC |
| 18:04.13 | xomhau | this message i find in my kern.log file |
| 18:04.21 | maligor | xomhau, possibly that you don't have a 80-wire cable |
| 18:04.22 | enouf | xomhau: get an 80wire cable |
| 18:04.45 | enouf | xomhau: udma66 and up need 80 wire |
| 18:05.04 | maligor | 40 wire cables are darned ancient stuff tho |
| 18:05.51 | enouf | xomhau: basically you want udma5 or udma6 for a HDD, and without proper cable that speed is cut to 1/3 of it's top potential or more |
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| 18:06.19 | enouf | xomhau: as root or sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda |
| 18:07.19 | xomhau | enouf: maligor thank you, let me try |
| 18:08.06 | maligor | the 80 wire cables are more or less same width but with smaller wires |
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| 18:08.33 | enouf | xomhau: if you want to read more about it, http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesUDMA-c.html and follow links to picks for 40 and 80 wire |
| 18:08.54 | maligor | I must have 10s of unused 80 wire ide cables all around |
| 18:09.05 | xomhau | thank |
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| 18:12.06 | enouf | flower: or, just hit "scrollock" and shift+pageup/down to look around - any key to resume booting |
| 18:13.28 | flower | ok |
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| 18:14.11 | kantor | hi, how can I modify PolicyKit in such a way that only allows you to authenticate as the root user when you want to set up the clock for instance ? |
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| 18:17.02 | MrBrush | what is the tar switch to unpack a .bz2 file? |
| 18:17.09 | enouf | j |
| 18:17.21 | enouf | tar xjvf |
| 18:17.35 | MrBrush | thnx |
| 18:17.36 | enouf | as opposed to xzvf |
| 18:18.41 | h3lp3r | anyone ever seen a bt: failed to open display '' message? |
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| 18:25.57 | lilkid | got an issue with samba, or specifically smbpasswd, /etc/samba/smbpasswd isnt being written to, or even created |
| 18:27.03 | lilkid | or read, therefore i'm trying to use samba as a PDC but it keeps giving the error "username not found", what could cause this? |
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| 18:41.24 | Lectus | can anyone recommend a good WYSIWYG html editor for debian/linux? |
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| 18:44.54 | smace | the way dpkg told me to add a woody repository did not work. Can anybody please suggest me one way that works? |
| 18:45.04 | wols_ | Lectus: qantas (sp?) |
| 18:45.26 | wols_ | Lectus: quanta |
| 18:45.44 | wols_ | smace: why do you need a woody repo? |
| 18:46.09 | wols_ | it's LONG EOL and by now probably full of security holes |
| 18:46.27 | smace | wols_: I need to install "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" |
| 18:46.51 | wols_ | lilkid: it by default writes to /var/lib/samba/ |
| 18:47.00 | MrBrush | in which file the sudo users are set>? |
| 18:47.09 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 18:47.10 | dpkg | somebody said sudoers was You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 18:47.15 | smace | wols_: dpkg told me to do "apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1" |
| 18:47.17 | wols_ | smace: why don't you upgrade? |
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| 18:47.24 | smace | wols_: it does not work. |
| 18:47.26 | hoxu | MrBrush, run "visudo" |
| 18:47.37 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 18:47.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:47.58 | wols_ | smace: afaik, woody is so old, the repos are gone |
| 18:49.07 | lilkid | wold_: Ah thanks |
| 18:49.17 | smace | I need to install "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" ... Any suggestion? |
| 18:49.27 | wols_ | yes: upgrade to etch |
| 18:49.47 | smace | wols_: I think I already have etch. |
| 18:49.53 | wols_ | first sarge, then etch |
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| 18:50.08 | smace | my debian is 4.0 |
| 18:50.09 | wols_ | so why do you need a severely outdated libstdc++? |
| 18:50.23 | smace | wols_: because unixodbc / firebird asks for that |
| 18:50.27 | simonrvn | probably an ancient package... |
| 18:50.48 | wols_ | !info firebird |
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| 18:51.29 | wols_ | smace: unixodbc-bin exists in etch afaik |
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| 18:51.44 | wols_ | !tell smace about sdn |
| 18:51.47 | smace | wols_: yes but isql asks for that library. |
| 18:52.01 | wols_ | isql is what? |
| 18:52.51 | smace | wols_: I was following the tutorial: http://www.firebirdnews.org/?p=1324 |
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| 18:54.14 | lilkid | Ok, smbpasswd isn't writing to any file.. when i add users with smbpasswd nothing happens, doesn't even say "User Added".. |
| 18:54.22 | wols_ | then compile from source. and it will use your current libstdc++ as it probably should |
| 18:55.18 | smace | wols_: cool :) |
| 18:56.10 | wols_ | smace: hopefully :) |
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| 18:56.53 | flower | can someone give me the k mantra (build kernel) command? |
| 18:57.07 | hoxu | flower, make-kpkg? |
| 18:57.15 | flower | I think so |
| 18:57.52 | wols_ | flower: ask dpkg |
| 18:58.02 | wols_ | or read your /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 18:58.06 | lilkid | where can i feind the error log for smbpasswd? |
| 18:58.15 | flower | wols, how ask dpkg? |
| 18:58.29 | hoxu | !tell flower about make-kpkg |
| 18:58.35 | liable | flower: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 19:02.16 | enouf | flower: no useful errors to show us? |
| 19:02.49 | flower | enouf, not yet, I'm try to build one and then reboot again... |
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| 19:03.15 | flower | enouf, but thanks... i hope i don't have to show you errors anymore |
| 19:03.24 | enouf | me too :-P |
| 19:03.32 | flower | but i am afraid I have to ;) |
| 19:03.40 | enouf | ok then |
| 19:03.43 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
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| 19:03.44 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:04.30 | infinitycircuit | dpkg, why are you the greatest irc bot of all time? |
| 19:04.32 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, infinitycircuit |
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| 19:04.56 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 19:04.57 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 19:05.16 | Bladesman | dpkg: Try editting /etc/group and adding yourself to the video group. |
| 19:05.16 | dpkg | Bladesman: wish i knew |
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| 19:05.39 | beardy | !seen sussudio |
| 19:05.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sussudio', beardy |
| 19:06.26 | enouf | b00 |
| 19:06.32 | Bladesman | !seen my_vampire_self_in_a_mirror |
| 19:06.32 | dpkg | Bladesman: i haven't seen 'my_vampire_self_in_a_mirror' |
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| 19:07.31 | katswaio | hi all |
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| 19:07.59 | katswaio | I'm trying to build a deb of cw - a color wrapper for common unix commands. However there already is a package called cw which is a command-line frontend to unixcw. Can two packages share the same name somehow? |
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| 19:08.23 | h3lp3r | is there anyway to test if a wireless network is in range? i want to automatically connect to my home network |
| 19:08.29 | hoxu | katswaio, no, but why would they need to? |
| 19:08.40 | hoxu | katswaio, that's what search is for, /msg dpkg search |
| 19:09.39 | katswaio | well, the upstream package is called cw |
| 19:09.41 | Bladesman | katswaio: aliases are searched first, then binaries in the /usr/local heirarchy, then the /usr heirarchy, then the / heirarchy. |
| 19:09.58 | Bladesman | ...typically. |
| 19:10.03 | hoxu | Bladesman, katswaio is speaking of package names I believe |
| 19:10.20 | katswaio | Bladesman: right |
| 19:10.51 | Bladesman | If you have mv in /usr/local, it will run that one rather than the mv in /bin. |
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| 19:11.03 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search color wrapper ? |
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| 19:12.01 | enouf | if your PATH is still the default, which lists /usr/local prior to all others |
| 19:12.13 | Bladesman | You can also add the command of the same name in ~/bin and it will run that one, rather than the default, for just that user. |
| 19:12.31 | enouf | full path trumps all :-) |
| 19:12.47 | Nyle | what |
| 19:12.53 | Nyle | color wrapper? |
| 19:12.56 | hoxu | katswaio is speaking of making a debian package... |
| 19:13.11 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:13.31 | mkesper | does anybody know how to get the lenny installer to support my "atom" realtek ethernet chip [10ec:8136 ] |
| 19:13.37 | Bladesman | If it were me, I'd use a different name and use ln -s to point to the one you want from ~/bin |
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| 19:14.36 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 19:14.37 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 19:14.38 | katswaio | ok, thanks |
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| 19:15.49 | Bladesman | oops. Sorry. Can't hear what's going on as I type. |
| 19:17.21 | katswaio | I'm comming from a distro where you could have packages with the same name in different sections |
| 19:17.33 | katswaio | that's not possible on debian, right? |
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| 19:17.43 | rsk | um, nope |
| 19:17.59 | Nyle | what do you mean? |
| 19:18.02 | hoxu | debian != $YOUR_OLD_DISTRO ;) |
| 19:18.06 | Nyle | thats very vague |
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| 19:19.07 | katswaio | on gentoo I there were packages misc/cw and other-section/cw |
| 19:19.26 | katswaio | where misc and other-section were section names, and cw is package name |
| 19:20.00 | katswaio | I was just wondering is this is possible on debian, as I saw there is a section property in debian/control |
| 19:20.26 | hoxu | that's different, as you were told above, package name is unique |
| 19:20.45 | katswaio | ok- thank you |
| 19:21.12 | katswaio | just explained for Nyle as he seemd curious :) |
| 19:21.42 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 19:21.48 | flower | show hidden files in dolphin = alt +. , what is +. on my keyboard qwerty... |
| 19:21.56 | flower | +. |
| 19:22.09 | Nyle | you can have the same package in multiple sections with diff version #s |
| 19:22.11 | hoxu | flower, "alt" and the "." keys? |
| 19:22.17 | Nyle | for example, backports |
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| 19:22.32 | Nyle | but thats not excatly what you're talking about |
| 19:22.37 | mkesper | flower: you don't have to type the '+' |
| 19:22.40 | h3lp3r | does this syntax look right? ifup wlan0=wlan0-home |
| 19:22.41 | flower | hoxu, ha ha thanks... |
| 19:22.55 | Bladesman | BTW: can anyone recommend a good package wor working with rw data CDs. I'd like to be able to erase and write individual files to multi-use CDs. |
| 19:22.55 | flower | I was breaking my head about it |
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| 19:23.08 | h3lp3r | hoxu: i figured out the xdm and blackbox problem. had to add, 'blackbox -display :0' to my .xession (which didn't exist) |
| 19:23.23 | mkesper | flower: ;) |
| 19:23.38 | hoxu | h3lp3r, hmm, weird if you need something like that |
| 19:23.51 | h3lp3r | hoxu: yeah |
| 19:24.09 | h3lp3r | hoxu: maybe because i installed blackbox before xdm? |
| 19:24.32 | hoxu | h3lp3r, should not matter at all |
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| 19:25.36 | Bladesman | Oops. Forgot that it needs to be a CLI CD buring prg. I can't see the GUI. |
| 19:26.20 | hoxu | h3lp3r, do you have the same problem with a newly created user? |
| 19:26.26 | pumpkin0 | hi. I have to modifiy my initrd to setup and load stuff before root is mounted. I did this on 2.6.11 and 2.6.15, it worked w/o any problem. 2.6.24 comes around and nothing works. Does 2.6.24 execute any files inside the initrd? it loads the initrd and panics before hitting /init. |
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| 19:26.41 | h3lp3r | hoxu: haven't tried, but that's a good idea |
| 19:27.07 | wols_ | !tell pumpkin0 about errors |
| 19:27.10 | hoxu | h3lp3r, if it still doesn't work, and you haven't messed up with files in /etc, it really sounds like a xdm bug |
| 19:27.33 | h3lp3r | is afraid of /etc, except /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:27.37 | pumpkin0 | wols_: no partition found, root not found. |
| 19:27.57 | simonrvn | missing driver =;) |
| 19:27.57 | wols_ | pumpkin0: that's not the error |
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| 19:28.13 | pumpkin0 | wols_: wait a sec, i take a screenshot. |
| 19:28.14 | wols_ | it's a description of the error but not the error |
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| 19:28.33 | hoxu | there's no need to be afraid of /etc, as long as you don't screw up and end up scarred for life... |
| 19:28.52 | h3lp3r | doesn't feel better ;) |
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| 19:34.47 | hoxu | !flw |
| 19:35.29 | flower | why doesn't i get a linux-headers? http://pastebin.com/m65a041db |
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| 19:36.19 | pumpkin0 | wols_: http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1946 . My change to init: "/bin/sh" in the 2. line. |
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| 19:43.45 | h3lp3r | is there a commandline tool to check acpi battery levels? |
| 19:44.08 | h3lp3r | ahh.. i think it's acpi |
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| 19:44.17 | loXx | in debian etch, gconfd spams the syslog. is there a workaround? (this is fixed in lenny) |
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| 19:46.37 | Vasistha | loXx: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126468 |
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| 19:51.26 | loXx | Vasistha: thank you. |
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| 19:54.57 | loXx | are there any pre-compiled binarys of gconf2 with that patch? |
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| 19:58.19 | Fred777 | FOR SALE BRAND NEW APPLE IPHONE16GB UNLOCKED PHONES FOR $250USD EMAIL US IF YOU HAVE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT (bespoketelecom@operamail.com) |
| 19:58.39 | maligor | does it run debian? |
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| 19:58.51 | OBcecado | i wonder who buys crappy apple stuff |
| 19:59.12 | maligor | I wonder who would think people in #debian would be interested |
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| 20:00.30 | Eulex | I don't hava interested in buying it |
| 20:00.45 | maligor | but it's shiny, people buy it. |
| 20:01.31 | mihkel | Hey. Does anybody know why Totem youtube plugin plays flash videos fine, but swfdec or gnash suck at it |
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| 20:12.55 | DAD19 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) |
| 20:12.58 | DAD19 | http://www.WHAK.COM EDY radio - http://www.MovieRumor.com (watch theater movies) - http://www.Web20Appz.com (appz) - http://www.ChatPhobia.com to (chat anywhere, web IRC client) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
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| 20:14.47 | Steve` | *rolls eyes* |
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| 20:18.29 | enouf | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone <-- that idiot spammer should read that :-P |
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| 20:20.10 | slfalcon | I have been trying to get the linux-source package and it is saying it is not found. any suggestions? |
| 20:20.36 | Eulex | which linux-source package? |
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| 20:20.59 | slfalcon | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:21.26 | Eulex | did you try searching for linux-source and picking the 2.6.24 one? |
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| 20:21.57 | admin_ | how do i kill all connections from ip x |
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| 20:22.11 | slfalcon | yes, it showed a 2.6.24 and 2.6.24-7 but it would not let me get them |
| 20:22.27 | Eulex | what exact package did you try to get? |
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| 20:23.03 | slfalcon | nothing. brb - will get the message |
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| 20:25.04 | slfalcon | never mind. it is working now it must be my eyes or something. Thanks for the assistance... |
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| 20:28.18 | libervisco | Hi |
| 20:28.37 | libervisco | I wonder if it would be safe to upgrade a server to lenny at this point? |
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| 20:33.53 | stiv2k | Hey what do I pick for taking sound source from the sound card? /dev/audio? /dev/dsp? /dev/snd? which??? |
| 20:35.30 | PriitM | any suggestions which VNC client would understand Vino-servers encryption? I've done some testing and googling, but didn't manage to find any ;_; |
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| 20:35.48 | PriitM | which windows VNC client* |
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| 20:37.59 | Bac9 | enouf: hmm, aparently it was the HDD that was causing the kernel to throw errors all over the place... oh well, another dead HDD |
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| 20:39.08 | Novus | does anyone have any idea how I can redirect the data from saidar to a file? |
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| 20:42.19 | scatterp | hi im trying to get my sound working |
| 20:42.21 | Bac9 | enouf: after the initial reseating of the card and replacing the HDD, everything seems to be working fine now |
| 20:42.23 | scatterp | http://members.cox.net/tonyt/d830/ |
| 20:42.31 | Bac9 | enouf: go figure :-( |
| 20:42.36 | scatterp | this guide shows how but the file goes to a dead link what should i do? |
| 20:42.51 | enouf | Bac9: i'd still like to see lspci and dmesg |
| 20:43.33 | DeltaS4 | which package do I need to install to have the gnome clock synchronised with a seerver? |
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| 20:44.30 | slfalcon | PriitM: how about NX client |
| 20:45.10 | PriitM | I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 20:52.53 | DawnLight | if i sell a computer with debian pre-installed, should i be careful about non-free packages? |
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| 20:54.23 | scatterp | DawnLight, make a script to install them |
| 20:54.32 | scatterp | then its down to the end user |
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| 20:54.48 | DawnLight | scatterp: i don't want to give the end-user root |
| 20:56.27 | maher | DawnLight: i suspect you are ok installing them on the computer and then giving it the other person - if you're really worries hire a lawyer... |
| 20:56.45 | Vasistha | !tell DeltaS4 -about set time |
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| 20:56.59 | DawnLight | i don't have money for that now |
| 20:57.03 | Vasistha | DeltaS4: oh, there's also ntpdate |
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| 20:57.29 | Vasistha | DawnLight: you want to sell a computer and not give the buyer root priveledge? |
| 20:57.43 | DeltaS4 | thanks :) |
| 20:58.39 | DawnLight | Vasistha: ahm... does that sound bad? |
| 20:59.09 | mavhc | you're selling a service, not a computer |
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| 20:59.52 | Vasistha | DawnLight: yeah, it does ... sounds bad for them, and for you. First you're going to be deluged with support requests, then they will be screwed if you go on vacation and they can't get into their own systems :P |
| 21:00.19 | DawnLight | right, there's something smelly about not giving the computer without full access to it |
| 21:00.30 | DawnLight | something not free |
| 21:00.46 | maher | DawnLight: its not hard to change the root password if you have physical access |
| 21:00.53 | DawnLight | but some people will wreck stuff |
| 21:00.53 | scatterp | can any one help me to install sound on my laptop and confirm i have the latest grapical drivers |
| 21:01.12 | scatterp | DawnLight, if you sold it to them then its theres to wreck.. |
| 21:01.24 | DawnLight | it is |
| 21:02.03 | scatterp | so give them the script and the root pass |
| 21:02.09 | scatterp | and say its up to them if they use it |
| 21:02.47 | scatterp | why would you want to sell a pc runing debian with no root pass in the first place it dont make a lot of sense? |
| 21:03.10 | DawnLight | it is a fear |
| 21:03.25 | Vasistha | I suppose it really kinda depends on your market |
| 21:03.55 | Vasistha | but if you don't trust them with root, do you really trust them to keep their systems updated? |
| 21:04.10 | scatterp | DawnLight, how about you give them a live cd with a mounted /home/ |
| 21:04.37 | scatterp | Vasistha, i dont think its really a question of trust since once he sold it he no longer owns the machine theres no trust issues.. |
| 21:05.12 | Vasistha | scatterp: it sounds like the idea is to sell a machine that's not going to get wrecked; but not updating debian is also poor maintenance |
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| 21:05.12 | DawnLight | i'll give them the root password... |
| 21:05.45 | scatterp | Vasistha, sell it with a live cd copy to ram setup it will work forever.. |
| 21:05.56 | scatterp | just mnt /home/ |
| 21:05.56 | Vasistha | DawnLight: or you can go ubuntu's route and make them do everything with sudo, which would at least prevent them from running X as root |
| 21:06.06 | scatterp | and sell them a new cd once a year |
| 21:06.26 | Vasistha | yeah, there we go ... update the cds whenever debian releases, that's not too frequent! :D |
| 21:06.48 | scatterp | no just once a year should be enough |
| 21:07.01 | scatterp | after all the machine only has to stay working |
| 21:07.08 | DawnLight | these things are going to be sold to various people, such as common users. |
| 21:07.27 | scatterp | then they probebly wont know what to do with root anyway |
| 21:07.52 | scatterp | tell them its a administration pass they should keep it and that its dangerous to use it with out proper training |
| 21:07.55 | Vasistha | must eat lunch! good luck with your venture. |
| 21:07.59 | DawnLight | right. i don't plan to give any warranties either, so... |
| 21:08.01 | scatterp | and set the bot to sudo auto update |
| 21:08.10 | scatterp | *bot-box |
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| 21:08.23 | DawnLight | thanks Vasistha |
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| 21:08.41 | scatterp | can any one help me set up sound on my laptop and check i have the latest graphics card installed / |
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| 21:09.43 | DawnLight | !alsa |
| 21:09.43 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware> |
| 21:10.07 | DawnLight | !tell scatterp about alsa install |
| 21:10.29 | scatterp | DawnLight, i did that didnt work.. |
| 21:10.42 | DawnLight | scatterp: alsaconf |
| 21:10.42 | scatterp | by didnt work i mean it installed |
| 21:10.43 | enouf | !tell scatterp -about alsa checklist |
| 21:10.46 | scatterp | and no diffrence |
| 21:10.51 | Vasistha | !didn't work |
| 21:10.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:10.55 | maher | scatterp: did yo urun alsaconf |
| 21:10.55 | Vasistha | :) |
| 21:10.58 | scatterp | runing alsaconf and checking the diffrences.... |
| 21:11.16 | scatterp | checklist i mean |
| 21:11.17 | scatterp | brb |
| 21:11.37 | DawnLight | how can i get a list of all non-free packages installed? |
| 21:12.44 | knoxy | hi.. how can I do to disable the hot plug of my kernel? When the kernel is loading, the hot plug "crashs" my system initialization |
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| 21:13.12 | Lectus | How unstable is debian sid for desktop use? I need some updated packages. I think I'll do the switch. |
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| 21:13.47 | rsk | Lectus: seems fine for me, did the switch few days ago |
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| 21:14.19 | enouf | !tell DawnLight about vrms |
| 21:14.35 | scatterp | ok i did the alsaconf i will do the checklist |
| 21:15.24 | DawnLight | enouf: extra - cool |
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| 21:16.32 | PiousMinion | Shouldn't "sudo iptables -F" clear out all rules I've added? I ran it and now I have no network at all. Suggestions? |
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| 21:16.52 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:17.16 | scatterp | 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:17.16 | scatterp | no |
| 21:17.33 | ribnitz | If my DVD burner has some kernel messages like drive not ready for command, what could this be? |
| 21:17.34 | Pheagator | PiousMinion: iptables -F may not influence your policy. |
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| 21:18.09 | scatterp | i did the alsa conf i dont know how to add my self to the audio group or how to do some of the other things the factoid just says do this and this but it dont say how |
| 21:18.26 | PiousMinion | Pheagator: What would you recommend I do to disable any firewalling that may be enabled via iptalbes? |
| 21:19.00 | Pheagator | PiousMinion: hmm, do you want to allow forwarding through your machine? |
| 21:19.06 | Pheagator | PiousMinion: or disable this as well? |
| 21:19.12 | PiousMinion | disable all |
| 21:19.29 | Pheagator | PiousMinion: disable forwarding on interfaces through procfs |
| 21:19.32 | PiousMinion | machine is behind nat with no special needs for this box. |
| 21:20.06 | Pheagator | PiousMinion: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT, the same for OUTPUT |
| 21:20.52 | PiousMinion | thank you. I will try that. |
| 21:21.16 | Pheagator | + iptables -F |
| 21:21.42 | Pheagator | (when i clear my firewall configuration I do iptables -F for each table, i'm not sure if it's really needed but i just do it this way) |
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| 21:25.17 | admin_ | Hey, I've got some kinda net connection question. Some reason, there's about 30K/s of traffing coming into this laptop, usually with normal irc/messaging/other things there's around 1-3K/s. I checked my im programs, it's not any of those. How can I find the connections that are doing this, and kill them? |
| 21:25.52 | scatterp | enouf, 1) run alsaconf as root DONE 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) dont know how to add my self 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) DONE 4) arts or esound stopped? dont know how to tell 5) OSS modules unloaded? dont know how to tell 6) speakers on? yes 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss DONE 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? NO T |
| 21:25.52 | scatterp | est your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. not sure how |
| 21:26.33 | DawnLight | scatterp: test your sound which ever way you like |
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| 21:26.46 | DawnLight | scatterp: if you're using kde, run kmix |
| 21:27.06 | scatterp | i double clicked a mp3 |
| 21:27.11 | scatterp | it opened in a default app |
| 21:27.13 | scatterp | no sound |
| 21:27.45 | DawnLight | scatterp: check the mixer for levels. did alsaconf seem to be succesfull? |
| 21:28.01 | scatterp | alsaconf seemed successfull yes |
| 21:28.14 | scatterp | mixer levels look correct if i checked them right.. |
| 21:28.15 | DawnLight | scatterp: check the levels |
| 21:28.30 | DawnLight | scatterp: your your desktop mixer thing |
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| 21:29.23 | enouf | scatterp: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:29.24 | scatterp | i dont have a mixer thing that im aware of i double clicked the volume control |
| 21:29.34 | DawnLight | perhaps your laptop has some sepcial volume control thing. check linux-laptop |
| 21:29.39 | DawnLight | !linux-laptop |
| 21:29.39 | dpkg | from memory, linux-laptop is http://www.linux-laptop.net/ or ask me about <laptop>. |
| 21:29.42 | enouf | scatterp: use alsamixer |
| 21:30.00 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.00 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:30.20 | enouf | ok, are you on etch? |
| 21:30.27 | scatterp | DawnLight, my laptop has a volume control on the front its on full |
| 21:30.37 | scatterp | enouf, yes etch |
| 21:31.01 | enouf | i'm pretty sure there's a bug and you need either a) a newer kernel and/or b) newer alsa version |
| 21:31.16 | DeltaS4 | scatterp, what laptop is it? |
| 21:31.29 | scatterp | dell d630 |
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| 21:32.02 | DeltaS4 | try putting model=laptop_eapd in /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 21:32.25 | DeltaS4 | or maybe there's a specific model for that laptop, try googling |
| 21:32.41 | DeltaS4 | I had the same problem with my lenovo |
| 21:32.55 | enouf | would http://alsa.opensrc.org/ have that info? |
| 21:33.00 | scatterp | done.. |
| 21:33.09 | scatterp | enouf, i found a site here |
| 21:33.16 | DeltaS4 | (...) options snd-hda-intel model=lenovo |
| 21:33.18 | scatterp | http://members.cox.net/tonyt/d830/ |
| 21:33.19 | maher | scatterp: try gnome-alsa-mixer and unmute everything |
| 21:33.25 | scatterp | theres a sound section |
| 21:33.30 | scatterp | but the links dont work |
| 21:34.23 | scatterp | maher, i dont have that installed |
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| 21:34.35 | maher | scatterp: install it? |
| 21:34.36 | danielhw | good night everybody |
| 21:34.37 | scatterp | maher, apt-get dont recognise the package name |
| 21:34.52 | scatterp | Couldn't find package gnome-alsa-mixer |
| 21:35.12 | maher | scatterp: gnome-alsamixer |
| 21:36.09 | scatterp | maher, its on full.. |
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| 21:36.35 | scatterp | DeltaS4, what would be the search string ? |
| 21:37.22 | DeltaS4 | "The latest 1.0.15rc2 of the alsa drivers are required to get sound working properly on the Latitude D830." |
| 21:37.32 | enouf | http://w3.ualg.pt/~aanjos/misc.html and http://nemaris.multiservers.com/dell/latituded630.html |
| 21:37.52 | Deffie_ | what about migrating a production web/mail server with etch x86 to amd64 ? (actually it is running on a dual opteron but with 32bit kernel) |
| 21:38.06 | enouf | but 1st talks about compiling in kernel support - 2nd talks about building from alsa source - and 2nd is amd64 arch |
| 21:38.41 | enouf | scatterp: your easiest bet is likely to add backports.org repos and use a newer kernel, IINM |
| 21:38.50 | enouf | !backports.org |
| 21:38.50 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 21:39.17 | scatterp | enouf, i have a newer kernel i was told not to use it ... it was making my wireless disconnect all the time |
| 21:39.34 | enouf | scatterp: kernel from? |
| 21:39.44 | scatterp | backports |
| 21:39.52 | enouf | wonderful |
| 21:39.53 | scatterp | enouf, im looking at the second should i do that ? |
| 21:40.02 | enouf | scatterp: sure, might as well |
| 21:40.09 | scatterp | ok |
| 21:40.12 | scatterp | thx |
| 21:41.03 | scatterp | how can i tell if i have the latest graphics driver |
| 21:41.05 | scatterp | installed ? |
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| 21:41.22 | enouf | scatterp: well, Etch has what it has ;-) (xorg) |
| 21:41.25 | pingouin | is it still possible to update/install some package on an sarge debian ? |
| 21:41.26 | scatterp | GM965 Express Chipset Family is my ddevice.. |
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| 21:42.01 | scatterp | enouf, hmm i was told in the wine channel to check i had the latest drivers i dont really understand what you said how would i explain that to them ? |
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| 21:42.30 | enouf | scatterp: i suggest if you want newer stuff, you look at backports.org only or if you want to .. can backport some stuff yourself, but you can't willy nilly grab stuff from sid and backport it etch |
| 21:43.28 | enouf | scatterp: dpkg -l xorg | tail -n 1 |
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| 21:44.21 | scatterp | ii xorg 7.1.0-19 X.Org X Window System |
| 21:44.43 | scatterp | dont fully understand what you mean enouf could you explain all that a little clearer :S |
| 21:44.48 | enouf | Xorg -version |
| 21:44.49 | enouf | too |
| 21:45.43 | scatterp | ok gave some aditional info |
| 21:45.50 | enouf | you asked about the latest drivers, Etch (Stable Debian) only get's security updates .. and once in a rare moon, and only if really buggy, a newer updated pkg of software |
| 21:45.58 | scatterp | so thats my graphics card drivers |
| 21:46.20 | enouf | scatterp: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:47.00 | scatterp | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so |
| 21:47.19 | enouf | scatterp: the dpkg output is better for versioning 7.1.0 |
| 21:47.20 | scatterp | does that mean i got some kinda standard version |
| 21:47.56 | enouf | scatterp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the 'intel' driver <-- i hope there's no issue with that for your chipser |
| 21:47.59 | enouf | chipset |
| 21:48.05 | maher | scatterp: did you check the mute tickboxes in gnome-alsamixer? |
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| 21:48.57 | scatterp | maher, yes |
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| 21:51.56 | maher | scatterp: ok - if you don't have any hardware volume controls that probably means it doesn't work... |
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| 21:52.11 | scatterp | enouf, there is no 'intel' options |
| 21:52.55 | scatterp | maher, i do there turned up |
| 21:52.56 | enouf | scatterp: are you sure? i810 show up? |
| 21:52.57 | scatterp | i see i810 |
| 21:53.01 | scatterp | should i select that ? |
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| 21:53.05 | enouf | scatterp: select that one, yes |
| 21:53.22 | enouf | scatterp: they are the same, afaik, man intel, man i810 |
| 21:53.49 | enouf | back when Etch was released, might not have been as clear though |
| 21:53.53 | DeltaS4 | what would you say about using preload? |
| 21:54.14 | enouf | DeltaS4: someone did a test, not much diff |
| 21:54.31 | enouf | maybe .5 secs shaved off of 6 secs |
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| 21:54.59 | enouf | it's easy enough to try though |
| 21:55.22 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 21:55.32 | vadmeste | I search for a program I forget his name |
| 21:55.42 | vadmeste | but he helps to read pdf document |
| 21:55.49 | vadmeste | with animation |
| 21:56.17 | vadmeste | I mean... |
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| 21:56.50 | enouf | scatterp: if yuo find you have too many issues -- you might want to think about upgrading to testing, but only because i can see you intend that laptop as a Desktop and Game machine, so not a Server per se - but beware, could be some breakage - you should read changelogs, and learn more about Debian ; do "/msg dpkg grounding" , "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
| 21:56.53 | vadmeste | I don't know how to say it |
| 21:57.33 | Jane_ux | how can I lock the position of the desktop icons in gnome-nautilus???? |
| 21:57.35 | enouf | vadmeste: apt-cache search pdf animate |
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| 21:57.57 | Jane_ux | or where the desktop configuration files are stored??? |
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| 21:58.49 | scatterp | hmm |
| 21:59.05 | DeltaS4 | are ffpreloader and preloader the same? |
| 21:59.10 | scatterp | enouf, heres what i want |
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| 21:59.40 | scatterp | enouf, as a desktop also i want to run one game since i am a admin on it via wine and i want to run various work related custom tools via windows using qemu |
| 22:00.01 | scatterp | enouf, i have been wondering if debian is the best os for me as i choose in a rather random way |
| 22:00.37 | enouf | vadmeste: i think you might mean Encapsulated PostScript Image ? |
| 22:01.05 | vadmeste | enouf: no |
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| 22:01.23 | enouf | vadmeste: for that, kde has kghostview and kolourpaint .. not sure what gnome has .. oh well |
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| 22:01.53 | enouf | scatterp: i can't make that decision for you (which distro is best) |
| 22:02.02 | DeltaS4 | when will there be iceweasel 3 on lenny repositories? |
| 22:02.14 | scatterp | enouf, is there some kinda guide that might help with that ? |
| 22:02.20 | scatterp | enouf, i mean there all linux |
| 22:02.21 | vadmeste | enouf: no, it's a program that shows you for example 40 words per minute.. You haven't to follow lines when you read pdf document |
| 22:02.24 | enouf | scatterp: sure, there are tons |
| 22:02.33 | vadmeste | enouf: my english is poor, i try my best |
| 22:02.51 | enouf | vadmeste: so it autoscrolls down the page? |
| 22:02.56 | scatterp | enouf, how would i find a non biased one ? |
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| 22:03.08 | Jane_ux | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 22:03.09 | enouf | vadmeste: so while you read .. the page scrolls by? |
| 22:03.16 | Jane_ux | ooops |
| 22:03.27 | enouf | non-biased what scatterp ? |
| 22:03.37 | scatterp | guide. |
| 22:03.38 | Jane_ux | where the bloody icon position is stored in gnome??? |
| 22:03.51 | enouf | scatterp: i'm not getting your question man |
| 22:03.58 | vadmeste | enouf: no.. it shows word by word but quickly |
| 22:04.10 | Jane_ux | i have been trying for months, not solution?? |
| 22:04.13 | maher | scatterp: what is your laptop model? |
| 22:04.17 | scatterp | enouf, a guide to diffrent linux options (non-biased) |
| 22:04.18 | enouf | vadmeste: i don't know what you mean either .. sorry |
| 22:04.21 | scatterp | maher, d630 |
| 22:04.24 | scatterp | maher, dell |
| 22:04.28 | vadmeste | enouf: me too.. |
| 22:04.29 | scatterp | maher, latitude |
| 22:04.36 | enouf | vadmeste: maybe there;s a debian channel in your native languiage |
| 22:04.47 | vadmeste | enouf: no |
| 22:05.06 | vadmeste | enouf: give me time |
| 22:05.15 | enouf | vadmeste: sure |
| 22:05.45 | scatterp | brb going to the store |
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| 22:06.02 | enouf | vadmeste: i kind of now understand what you mean, but i don't think i've ever seen anything liek that - but that's just me .. |
| 22:06.19 | maher | scatterp: did you check linux laptops? they seem to get sound working on ubuntu |
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| 22:07.12 | mikky | hello i am new on here and would love to start a new life with someone loving,caring and tender would also relocate for true love as distance is not a barrier. hugs Jude xxx ..........................I guess I'm just a regular kinda guy, looking for that someone special, a laid back down to earth guy, who is nice, sweet and NORMAL, He must be caring, considerate and affectionate when needed. Without doubt I need someone who can make me happy - make |
| 22:07.12 | mikky | me laugh and smile. I want to be with someone who is living in the moment but not forgetful of the past/future and impacts of their actions. Someone who I can share my inner most secrets without fear, and who will in turn share themselves with me. Someone I can talk to and someone I can also enjoy a silence with naturally |
| 22:07.13 | vadmeste | enouf: can you reformulate my question ? :-p |
| 22:07.16 | mikky | hello |
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| 22:07.25 | scatterp | maher i will when back from store |
| 22:07.37 | enouf | vadmeste: try this; apt-cache show |
| 22:07.38 | enouf | yasr - General-purpose console screen reader |
| 22:07.44 | enouf | crap |
| 22:08.02 | enouf | vadmeste: apt-cache show gnome-orca |
| 22:08.23 | ripdisk | i'm having problems with my ati video driver, i thnk I installed it right but urban terror won't run because it's having problems with direct rendering -- i'm stuck! |
| 22:08.26 | enouf | vadmeste: also --> ~$ apt-cache search screen reader |
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| 22:09.31 | mikky | hi |
| 22:10.14 | ripdisk | seriously i hate this |
| 22:10.18 | ripdisk | i just want to play some games |
| 22:10.27 | ripdisk | and this direct rendering crap is bringing me down, man. |
| 22:10.43 | mikky | do u love game |
| 22:10.50 | lymeca | ripdisk: What card and what driver and what version of that driver? |
| 22:11.10 | lymeca | ripdisk: Also what version of Debian? |
| 22:11.25 | ripdisk | alright, cool. some help. |
| 22:11.29 | ripdisk | i'm using etch |
| 22:11.30 | enouf | vadmeste: http://lwn.net/Articles/113094/ <-- just some info |
| 22:11.31 | ripdisk | annnnnd |
| 22:11.34 | mikky | i sell play station 1,2,3 |
| 22:11.36 | ripdisk | my video card is |
| 22:11.37 | vadmeste | enouf: it's not an accessibility program |
| 22:11.40 | mikky | in our company |
| 22:12.01 | ripdisk | sorry mikky i'm an xbox fan. |
| 22:12.12 | vadmeste | enouf: it just read pdf document.. but zoom in words.. and switch automatically and quickly between words |
| 22:12.13 | mikky | we have that also |
| 22:12.30 | ripdisk | lymeca, i forgot the exact modle of videocard |
| 22:12.33 | vadmeste | enouf: it's confortable to use when you want to read big pdf books |
| 22:12.36 | ripdisk | but it's like a radeon express |
| 22:12.37 | enouf | vadmeste: i gotcha .. though i don't know |
| 22:12.38 | ripdisk | xpress |
| 22:12.39 | ripdisk | or whatever |
| 22:12.45 | mikky | we do sell xbox |
| 22:12.47 | ripdisk | i even used Envy to try and install the driver |
| 22:12.48 | enouf | vadmeste: i would just zoom in X ;-) |
| 22:13.00 | mikky | do u like to see it |
| 22:13.03 | enouf | vadmeste: ctrl-alt-+ ;-) |
| 22:13.04 | lymeca | ripdisk: I need to know it. What is the output of the command "lspci | grep ATI Tech" |
| 22:13.17 | vadmeste | enouf: thanks anyway |
| 22:13.39 | enouf | vadmeste: i tried - try asking in ##linux and ##linux-help maybe as well |
| 22:13.46 | lymeca | ripdisk: Actually, this would be better: "lspci | grep Radeon" |
| 22:14.09 | ripdisk | nothing showed up |
| 22:14.27 | ripdisk | oops |
| 22:14.28 | ripdisk | i mean |
| 22:14.29 | ripdisk | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
| 22:14.37 | lymeca | There we go. Once moment. |
| 22:14.46 | mikky | yes we have it |
| 22:14.50 | mikky | brand new |
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| 22:16.02 | lymeca | ripdisk: I see, this is a video card that's integrated with the motherboard, probably a laptop. |
| 22:16.36 | lymeca | ripdisk: Now tell me what driver you are using and the version of that driver. Your choices are likely either proprietary fglrx or the Free radeon driver. |
| 22:17.01 | lymeca | ripdisk: See if the command "fglrxinfo" exists on your system, and if so paste the output to a pastebin website |
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| 22:17.48 | mikky | anyone love to buy our product |
| 22:17.54 | lymeca | Shut up mikky. |
| 22:18.14 | billy12 | im having a issue with setting the MTU on etho |
| 22:18.23 | ripdisk | lymeca, sorry, i was afk for a second |
| 22:18.26 | ripdisk | back now |
| 22:18.27 | ripdisk | hold on |
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| 22:18.36 | ripdisk | i'm fairly sure it's not the fglx driver |
| 22:18.48 | ripdisk | i used envy to install the actual radeon driver |
| 22:19.08 | ripdisk | oh |
| 22:19.09 | ripdisk | maybe not |
| 22:19.11 | ripdisk | here we go |
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| 22:19.20 | ripdisk | diskbox:/home/ripdisk# fglrxinfo |
| 22:19.20 | ripdisk | display: :0.0 screen: 0 |
| 22:19.20 | ripdisk | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 22:19.20 | ripdisk | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 22:19.20 | ripdisk | OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) |
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| 22:19.28 | billy12 | when i add mtu 1500 to /etc/network/interfaces it still comes up as MTU 576 |
| 22:19.31 | enouf | vadmeste: http://www.webaim.org/resources/reader/ the Reflow option maybe? |
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| 22:19.35 | ripdisk | sorry |
| 22:19.38 | ripdisk | i didn't know |
| 22:19.42 | ripdisk | it's only like 5 lines |
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| 22:20.35 | ripdisk | lymeca, OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 22:20.35 | ripdisk | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 22:20.42 | delight | Hi I'm searching for that single-command (update-alternatives) that can handle to relink all java commands (java, javac, rmic, rmid etc. ) to a certain implemantation. Somebody here that can help ? googled it like crazy, can't find it |
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| 22:21.17 | tpcr | can i recover the root password by booting into single user mode from grub ? |
| 22:21.21 | lymeca | ripdisk: fglrx is the name of AMD/ATI's official proprietary binary-only driver. |
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| 22:21.34 | tpcr | i tried on debian 4 but to no avail |
| 22:21.35 | ripdisk | does it have direct rendering? |
| 22:21.52 | tpcr | it asks for root maintance password |
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| 22:21.57 | delight | I want to be able to change an java-implementation with that single-command instead of calling it for every java command |
| 22:22.58 | lymeca | ripdisk: It supports DRI, and you have it installed, but unfortuntely a configuration error likely do to the incompatability with it and the specific kernel package you are using causes problems. The root of the problem is that this is a proprietary driver. |
| 22:22.59 | ripdisk | so lymeca, what shall I do? |
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| 22:23.49 | lymeca | ripdisk: Fortunately AMD released the specifications to your GPU so work is almost complete creating a Free Software one that will work with whatever kernel you have and give you full 3D OpenGL rendering using DRI. |
| 22:24.05 | ripdisk | oh sweet |
| 22:24.25 | flower | enouf, brace yourself... its me |
| 22:24.37 | lymeca | ripdisk: It's almost complete for r3xx (the chipset series for which you have a card) save a few stability issues. You can play Quake-3 based games with it though. |
| 22:24.51 | ripdisk | just nothing too fancy? |
| 22:25.05 | lymeca | ripdisk: Well your card's hardware isn't too powerful to begin with. |
| 22:25.09 | ripdisk | no sir |
| 22:25.26 | ripdisk | but it can run WoW w |
| 22:25.27 | ripdisk | -w |
| 22:25.34 | ripdisk | i'd at least like to get it to that point |
| 22:25.39 | lymeca | It's from mid-2004, and its a integrated card |
| 22:25.52 | lymeca | Have you been running WoW using WINE, or are you dual-booting Debian and Windows? |
| 22:25.55 | vadmeste | enouf: like that with automatic horizantal scrolling |
| 22:25.59 | flower | enouf, got some errors which switched in my screen whole the time so I couldn't wrote down everything, but this is the core message: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d , the first line I only get when it is a rt-patched ... |
| 22:26.09 | ripdisk | lymeca, i used to run windows on this laptop |
| 22:26.10 | vadmeste | enouf: but in debian ! |
| 22:26.23 | ripdisk | lymeca, but i've gotten wow to work on wine before |
| 22:26.54 | lymeca | ripdisk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_graphics_processing_units#Radeon_R300_PCIe_.28X3xx.2C_X5xx.2C_X6xx.29_series |
| 22:26.59 | enouf | vadmeste: well .. that's part of the "acroread-plugin-speech" which is available along with "acroread" from dmm |
| 22:27.07 | lymeca | Yours is the Radeon X300 series |
| 22:27.08 | enouf | !tell vadmeste -about dmm |
| 22:27.28 | ripdisk | oh ok |
| 22:27.28 | ripdisk | sweet |
| 22:27.30 | vadmeste | enouf: thanks |
| 22:27.32 | lymeca | ripdisk: Try the LATEST version of the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver |
| 22:27.33 | ripdisk | so, how do i get this thing working? |
| 22:27.39 | ripdisk | how do i do that |
| 22:27.42 | ripdisk | i'm a noob, sir. |
| 22:28.09 | lymeca | ripdisk: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-ati&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:28.12 | ripdisk | i gotta do this fast too, i have to go somewhere in like a half hour |
| 22:28.39 | lymeca | That's the package you are interested in, and you currently are running etch which has 6.6.3 of this package. This is far too out of date to consider usable for your purposes. |
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| 22:28.53 | lymeca | ripdisk: You need to get 6.9.0 which is in Debian sid, or unstable |
| 22:29.05 | lymeca | Do you know how to get a package from sid? |
| 22:29.20 | ripdisk | i only know how to use apt-get and aptitude and stuff |
| 22:29.23 | enouf | flower: wow, what is that qemu, kvm, virtual poop? |
| 22:29.25 | ripdisk | i'm not sure what sid is |
| 22:29.48 | lymeca | You can use apt-get or aptitude to get the package, but first you have to tell apt to look at sid to download packages from. |
| 22:29.50 | CoolCold | hello |
| 22:30.04 | ripdisk | oh |
| 22:30.06 | lymeca | Of the 3 branches of Debian, stable, testing, and unstable, you run the first, and you need a package from the last one. |
| 22:30.15 | flower | enouf, I disabled xen? |
| 22:30.16 | ripdisk | oh |
| 22:30.23 | ripdisk | i already added the unstable line to my list |
| 22:30.24 | enouf | flower: and .. you use swapsuspend, uswpsusp, powernow, hibernate, suspend2 ? |
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| 22:30.34 | enouf | flower: hehe |
| 22:30.35 | lymeca | ripdisk: Is the stable one still there? |
| 22:30.38 | flower | enouf, I don't think so |
| 22:30.40 | CoolCold | is there any way to boot in one kernel, but if it fails to start - can't mount / or other, me the other kernel be default? |
| 22:30.43 | ripdisk | yes it is |
| 22:30.52 | ripdisk | isn't in /etc/apt/ |
| 22:30.57 | CoolCold | wanna update kernel on remote server but hesistate doing this |
| 22:31.07 | lymeca | gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in terminal? |
| 22:31.13 | ripdisk | i'm there |
| 22:31.21 | ripdisk | nevermind |
| 22:31.26 | ripdisk | i only have etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:31.26 | lymeca | ? |
| 22:31.29 | lymeca | Ah |
| 22:31.38 | lymeca | Change etch to "sid" and save but DON'T quit |
| 22:31.41 | lymeca | then run " |
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| 22:32.09 | flower | enouf, I installed some package from a documentation for building a kernel |
| 22:32.24 | lymeca | apt-get update followed by apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 22:32.39 | lymeca | then change "sid" back to "etch" then run "apt-get update" again |
| 22:32.42 | lymeca | That's what I would do. |
| 22:32.42 | flower | enouf, I do not know a lot of hardware so i installed them all... |
| 22:33.11 | AndyCR | I want to back up everything in my home folder over the network to some other folder on the target machine. What would the best approach be, in your estimation? Just tar cfr ~/* file.tar, then scp it over? |
| 22:33.13 | enouf | flower: i just haven't seen any error messages like that (especially from rebooting into a newer kernel) - i don't know where to start |
| 22:33.21 | AndyCR | Will there be any permission issues with that method? |
| 22:33.42 | ripdisk | woah |
| 22:33.44 | ripdisk | lymeca, |
| 22:33.47 | ripdisk | that wasn't pretty at all |
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| 22:34.21 | ripdisk | there are a bunch of depends |
| 22:35.31 | flower | enouf, removing the packages which i don't use?swapsuspend, uswpsusp, powernow, hibernate, suspend2 ?? |
| 22:35.35 | enouf | flower: though, if i were you , i would focus on the 1st line == 1.26739 BUG: using smp_processor_id() in preemptible [00000000] code: khelper/17 |
| 22:35.45 | ripdisk | lymeca, http://pastebin.com/m33d9d977 |
| 22:36.22 | flower | enouf, that message was not there when building one without a rtpatcj but the others where there with rtpatch |
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| 22:36.58 | enouf | flower: i have no idea if that's something Xen related trying to resume or what, but if you apt-cache show libgcrypt11 |
| 22:37.21 | ripdisk | lymeca, i don't know how to make it get deps automatically, i'm so used to ubuntu but i'm really trying to get used to doing everything |
| 22:38.17 | flower | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m56c54e86 |
| 22:39.20 | enouf | ripdisk: that wasn't smart to do |
| 22:40.32 | enouf | ripdisk: that was really bad advice given to you, even though he seems to know a bit about linux .. |
| 22:40.38 | enouf | flower: i have it here |
| 22:40.52 | enouf | flower: i was telling you to look at it to see what it is |
| 22:41.46 | ripdisk | enouf, well what the hell then |
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| 22:42.34 | enouf | ripdisk: hrm .. i'm not even sure i could reverse that |
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| 22:44.00 | CoolCold | does savedefault option works in etch's grub? |
| 22:44.03 | enouf | ripdisk: i can't follow everything - and naturally wasn't following your situation .. what is it you supposedly need from sid? and what for? |
| 22:44.11 | flower | enouf, encrypting, security ... |
| 22:45.25 | flower | enouf, what is the superblok? |
| 22:45.36 | enouf | flower: oh dear |
| 22:46.30 | enouf | flower: do you really want to mess with your File Systems when you know they are fine, since other kernels work fine? |
| 22:46.44 | flower | enouf, he complaining about the fact that the superblok is not able to write or read the file type (ext2) of hda2 and hda3 |
| 22:46.47 | lymeca | enouf: If that's all that was outputted, then nothing was actually installed, correct? It's just a warning that the requested operation couldn't be completed because of the required X.Org update. |
| 22:47.51 | enouf | flower: the debian config you started with is not going to match a vanilla kernel source, debian sources are patched - you need to know how to configure a kernel - it could take days .. but that;s how i learn . |
| 22:48.08 | lymeca | enouf: He needs the latest 'radeon' driver for his video card, 6.9.0, the one packaged in sid |
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| 22:48.30 | flower | enouf... mmm |
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| 22:48.53 | flower | enouf, and if I don't use oldconfig? |
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| 22:49.52 | metrix | I just logged into my debian box and found that I can create any files... it says the filesystem is in read-only mode.. What do I do to fix this, and how do I track down what is going on? |
| 22:50.09 | enouf | flower: you most definitely do .. that's not the issue, oldconfig only helps |
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| 22:50.32 | Jabka | what is the command to switch kernel mount point (while running ) /** I forgot the command name **/ |
| 22:50.37 | enouf | lymeca: i'm not sure - i'd rather not get involved .. plus i need to go |
| 22:50.42 | metrix | sorry.. just read my post. "I can't create any files" |
| 22:50.49 | flower | enouf, and can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build? |
| 22:51.00 | enouf | Jabka: do you mean chroot? |
| 22:51.04 | Jabka | nope |
| 22:51.26 | ripdisk | enouf, |
| 22:51.29 | ripdisk | i just want DRI |
| 22:51.31 | ripdisk | for a game |
| 22:51.39 | ripdisk | did i break a bunch of shit now |
| 22:51.48 | ripdisk | because of what the other guy told me to do |
| 22:51.56 | metrix | any ideas.... anyone? |
| 22:52.01 | enouf | ripdisk: i guess upgrade to Lenny, but i can't guarantee anything |
| 22:52.08 | ripdisk | i tried to upgrade to lenny |
| 22:52.10 | ripdisk | and it broke everything |
| 22:52.19 | ripdisk | my computer wouldn't even boot after i upgraded |
| 22:52.20 | Jabka | not to switch to a diffrent machine (or change the root place to other distro) but for a solutione to mount over /boot or to copy the kernel to other place and make it work from there |
| 22:52.23 | enouf | ripdisk: atleast from lenny you could backport from sid |
| 22:52.35 | ripdisk | i don't even know what that means |
| 22:52.54 | enouf | !tell ripdisk -about ssb |
| 22:53.08 | lymeca | ripdisk: He means if you run testing you can get packages from unstable much more easily than if you ran stable. |
| 22:53.09 | ripdisk | dude that kind of makes me mad if that other guy made me break my stuff |
| 22:53.18 | ripdisk | oh |
| 22:53.32 | ripdisk | can't i just download the packages manually |
| 22:53.44 | ripdisk | i don't know man, this is starting to make me mad |
| 22:53.48 | ripdisk | i just want to play a damn game |
| 22:54.09 | flower | enouf, and can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build? |
| 22:54.16 | lymeca | Hah, sorry, I don't use stable on desktops, only servers. I also said that that is what I would do. If I saw dramatic dependency changes being required though, I also probably wouldn't accept the installation and would find another way to install radeon 6.9.0 drivers, probably resorting to installing from source. |
| 22:54.28 | lymeca | But that's all theoretical because I wouldn't run stable on a desktop. |
| 22:54.29 | enouf | ripdisk: when did you try to upgrade to lenny? |
| 22:54.34 | ripdisk | yesterday |
| 22:54.36 | lymeca | Oh |
| 22:54.38 | lymeca | Really? |
| 22:54.41 | ripdisk | i ended up having to install everything all over |
| 22:54.42 | lymeca | That changes everything. |
| 22:54.44 | lymeca | Oh |
| 22:54.46 | lymeca | Nevermind then |
| 22:54.50 | ripdisk | because my system wouldn't even boot |
| 22:55.11 | enouf | flower: i'm not sure what you're asking, please rephrase |
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| 22:55.31 | ripdisk | what's the best way to upgrade anyway |
| 22:55.50 | enouf | flower: you seem to only get those messages when trying to boot self-compiled kernels - and then only when you enable the rt options right? |
| 22:56.03 | ripdisk | because last time i did it, it downloaded everything and then didn't finish the installation because of some error |
| 22:56.08 | ripdisk | and then i couldn't; boot at all |
| 22:56.14 | ripdisk | and i really don't want that to happen |
| 22:56.19 | enouf | ripdisk: the /topic shows /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:56.25 | flower | enouf, yes but I didn't try normal kernels |
| 22:56.42 | lymeca | ripdisk: It's tricky I usually upgrade groups of packages at a time checking for dependency errors and then eventually restart. |
| 22:57.27 | enouf | ripdisk: i don't want to break your system .. but if you need newer versions of software, there's no easy way, especially no without more knowledge |
| 22:57.36 | ripdisk | well how can i upgrade without it breaking |
| 22:57.45 | ripdisk | because this is a relatively new install |
| 22:57.46 | flower | enouf, and if I give my hardware specifics, can somebody else make a config file for me? |
| 22:57.51 | Jabka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.52 | enouf | well, finding out what broke and why is a key part |
| 22:57.56 | ripdisk | i did that already |
| 22:57.59 | ripdisk | that's what i did last time |
| 22:58.01 | ripdisk | and it broke everything |
| 22:58.07 | lymeca | But also I would rather install from an etch netinst CD (and partition / and /home separately so if I need to reinstall again I can just wipe / and reinstall my packages and remount the other partition on /home) |
| 22:58.22 | lymeca | OOPS sorry I mean lenny netinst cd, the testing branch |
| 22:58.24 | lymeca | not etch |
| 22:58.41 | metrix | how do I boot into single user mode? |
| 22:58.43 | enouf | flower: well .. that's asking quite a bit, why not google a bit and see what you can find concerning your specific hardware |
| 22:59.02 | enouf | metrix: choose it in the grub menu |
| 22:59.20 | enouf | metrix: or pass it the command linux single , or linux 1 |
| 22:59.20 | ripdisk | i'm just going to try to upgrade |
| 22:59.24 | ripdisk | and if it won't upgrade |
| 22:59.25 | enouf | ripdisk: wait |
| 22:59.33 | ripdisk | i'll just use gentoo if it breaks again |
| 22:59.34 | Jabka | who thought dpkg Russian ? :-D |
| 22:59.41 | enouf | ripdisk: please post us full dmesg and lspci -nn and lsmod output |
| 22:59.49 | ripdisk | ok |
| 23:00.19 | enouf | ripdisk: pastebin, right ;-) |
| 23:00.20 | ripdisk | wtf |
| 23:00.23 | ripdisk | dmesg is huge |
| 23:00.27 | enouf | indeed |
| 23:00.37 | enouf | ripdisk: grab /var/log/dmesg |
| 23:01.02 | enouf | ripdisk: it won't have any irrelevant recent info/errors |
| 23:01.21 | ripdisk | too late already copied all of it |
| 23:01.27 | enouf | no prob |
| 23:01.45 | ripdisk | http://pastebin.com/m3bf4156b |
| 23:02.28 | ripdisk | http://pastebin.com/m2b3ab8eb |
| 23:02.59 | enouf | ripdisk: please use /var/log/dmesg .. |
| 23:03.00 | ripdisk | http://pastebin.com/m501d2173 |
| 23:03.24 | enouf | ripdisk: the one you posted is missing info from the beginning |
| 23:04.29 | ripdisk | http://pastebin.com/m629b93f0 |
| 23:04.29 | flower | enouf, when running oldconfig, I can just skip the questions with ENTER? |
| 23:04.34 | ripdisk | so am i supposed to upgrade or what |
| 23:04.51 | enouf | ripdisk: ok great - oh, and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:05.12 | ripdisk | ok |
| 23:05.13 | enouf | ripdisk: yep .. you have what now in sources.list? just Etch lines? |
| 23:05.23 | ripdisk | i removed etch |
| 23:05.26 | ripdisk | and i typed lenny |
| 23:05.43 | enouf | flower: yeah, but that's the whole point of oldconfig |
| 23:06.04 | flower | enouf, ok, asked to be sure |
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| 23:06.55 | enouf | ripdisk: ok, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade (both as root or sudo) ... if you want, you should close out X, and do this all from Console (tty) |
| 23:07.39 | enouf | flower: by hitting Enter, you are accepting the defaults - which may or may not apply .. so you're supposed to configure it |
| 23:07.55 | ripdisk | so just ctrl alt del? |
| 23:07.57 | ripdisk | er i mean |
| 23:08.00 | ripdisk | backspace |
| 23:08.06 | ripdisk | and do it from there? |
| 23:08.06 | enouf | flower: the idea of oldconfig, is that you are ONLY presented with NEW or changed options |
| 23:08.22 | enouf | ripdisk: better to just /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 23:08.26 | enouf | if using gdm |
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| 23:08.35 | flower | enouf, but if I hit ENTER to all the questions then I have the oldconfig... and that kernel is working... |
| 23:08.47 | enouf | yes, your TTYs are on ctrl-alt-fN |
| 23:08.51 | enouf | where N is 1-6 |
| 23:09.00 | simmerz | can someone give me a hand getting ipv6 working on a bridge? I've struggled for 2 days and still have no resolution |
| 23:09.02 | flower | enouf, so I can't figure out when in the process it fails... |
| 23:09.03 | enouf | flower: no |
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| 23:10.00 | enouf | ripdisk: you still there? getting menu.lst for us? |
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| 23:12.02 | squisher | can anyone tell me where to find a release schedule for lenny? |
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| 23:12.12 | squisher | or just give me an idea where Debian in standing right now? |
| 23:12.21 | flower | enouf, enouf for today, I quit and go to bed.... thanks for your help |
| 23:13.14 | enouf | flower: ok, me too |
| 23:14.12 | enouf | aww crap, he's using ndiswrapper for driver for his wireless .. gah |
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| 23:14.59 | enouf | squisher: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 23:15.15 | squisher | thanks enouf |
| 23:15.24 | enouf | simmerz: i have no idea - tried ##networking? or ##linux ? |
| 23:16.42 | metrix | hrmm... it still mounts the root partition in single user mode.. I want to run fsck again /dev/hda1 how do I mount it read only? |
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| 23:17.22 | simmerz | enouf: not yet |
| 23:17.22 | squisher | metrix, mount -o remount,ro ? |
| 23:17.29 | enouf | metrix: best way to fsck / is to "shutdown -rF now" but if it's read only, you need remount rw |
| 23:17.49 | squisher | enouf: do you know if full freeze still allows for bugfix uploads? |
| 23:18.25 | enouf | squisher: that i don't know - why, are you contributing? |
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| 23:18.53 | squisher | I'm working on xfburn, which is still missing quite a bit of features |
| 23:19.04 | squisher | it's in lenny already, but I want to get a release out with more features |
| 23:19.15 | enouf | squisher: if you want to know the timing of things, might want to sign onto debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 23:19.18 | squisher | just that more features also mean a higher likeliness of bugs :) |
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| 23:19.33 | squisher | enouf, ok, will do |
| 23:19.42 | enouf | squisher: ok, ask in #debian-dev on oftc.net |
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| 23:20.38 | Nuruse | I just accidentally loaded a 755MB file in vim on a debian machine with 512MB RAM and 1GB of swap. The thing slowed to a crawl, thrashed disk for like 15 minutes then hardlocked. I had to poke the damn reset button on the case. What's up with that shit. |
| 23:21.14 | squisher | Nuruse, afaik it's the syntax highlighting |
| 23:21.24 | squisher | I always wished there was a feature to disable that for too large files |
| 23:21.55 | Nuruse | Goddamn. |
| 23:22.12 | dondelelcaro | Nuruse: it almost certainly didn't hardlock |
| 23:22.13 | Nuruse | fwiw I meant to use less, but it's just force of habit to use vim to look at shit. |
| 23:22.16 | \amethyst | there is a vim setting to tell it the max. amount of memory to use |
| 23:22.30 | Nuruse | dondelelcaro: HD access stopped, ssh etc resulted in a "no route to host" |
| 23:22.32 | Nuruse | Shit was dead, dude |
| 23:22.34 | \amethyst | 'maxmemtotal' |
| 23:22.40 | \amethyst | err, 'maxmemtot' |
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| 23:22.56 | dondelelcaro | Nuruse: but it quite likely did eat all of your ram and startted hitting the swap; hardlocking is definetly a kernel bug regardless. |
| 23:23.18 | fisxoj | hello! can someone help me fix my 3d rendering, it's falling back on software rendering and the xorg people tell me it must be a debian problem |
| 23:23.18 | Nuruse | If it hit the swap I woulnt care, fact is it stopped hitting swap and just shat its pants |
| 23:23.23 | \amethyst | or X got killed |
| 23:23.27 | Nuruse | \amethyst: cheers |
| 23:23.30 | Nuruse | no x |
| 23:23.32 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:23.45 | Nuruse | tis the shitbox server I got sitting under me desk. |
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| 23:24.25 | Nuruse | wait a sec |
| 23:24.42 | amphi | fisxoj: what card? |
| 23:24.45 | Nuruse | http://pastebin.ca/1063353 |
| 23:24.47 | Nuruse | check that shit out |
| 23:24.50 | Nuruse | it completely shat its pants |
| 23:24.58 | fisxoj | amphi: intel 965gm |
| 23:25.30 | fisxoj | there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with my corg.conf, but, while 3d used to work, I can't get it to anymore |
| 23:25.35 | amphi | fisxoj: what branch of debian? I have that card working fine on testing |
| 23:25.36 | fisxoj | *xorg.conf |
| 23:25.43 | fisxoj | amphi: sid |
| 23:25.56 | Nuruse | I have no idea what the hell it means but its the last thing in the log before the next boot |
| 23:26.08 | amphi | fisxoj: i915 module is loaded? |
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| 23:26.22 | \amethyst | Nuruse: is there anything interesting just before that? |
| 23:26.35 | fisxoj | amphi: yea |
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| 23:27.21 | Nuruse | nope, just the general 'hey cron is doing shit' stuff. |
| 23:27.25 | \amethyst | Nuruse: oom_kill_process is the function that chooses a process to kill when you're out of memory |
| 23:27.51 | \amethyst | though it probably should have picked vim |
| 23:27.59 | Nuruse | Fair nuff. Normally when I seen stuff like that it's meant something was completely fucked. |
| 23:29.20 | \amethyst | Nuruse: if there were an 'OOPS' or 'kernel panic' there, that would indicate trouser faecal depositition |
| 23:29.27 | Nuruse | Ah, fair enough |
| 23:29.29 | \amethyst | s/itit/it/ |
| 23:29.41 | Nuruse | I wonder why it decided to stop killing shit and just roll over instead |
| 23:29.58 | \amethyst | I wonder if it killed something important |
| 23:30.03 | Nuruse | Any log files I can look at to see what it was thinking |
| 23:30.11 | enouf | Nuruse: that's magic sysrq time, from what i see in your paste ...could be your /proc/sys/vm/overcommit* settings |
| 23:30.33 | \amethyst | not really, unfortunately... magic sysrq might tell you, if you have a keyboard |
| 23:30.49 | Nuruse | \amethyst: last thing it killed was nmbd. |
| 23:30.53 | \amethyst | Hm |
| 23:31.11 | \amethyst | Nuruse: was sshd one of the things it killed? |
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| 23:32.23 | Nuruse | It killed bitlbee, then nmbd, and then stalled. |
| 23:32.37 | Nuruse | So, nope. |
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| 23:32.50 | Nuruse | Oh wait, and cron. |
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| 23:35.00 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:35.30 | Nuruse | Oh well. Came back up okay and there's no damage so not really any issues. I'll just not be dumb next time. |
| 23:36.19 | Ace2016 | Can the mac version of a game be run on linux? since i'm guessing the mac version uses opengl so could linux run it too? |
| 23:36.29 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: no |
| 23:36.39 | Ace2016 | shame, |
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| 23:38.00 | \amethyst | Nuruse: if you're interested in seeing what happens when OOM is encountered, see mm/oom_kill.c in the kernel source |
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| 23:38.04 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 23:39.39 | gs | hi all |
| 23:40.37 | gs | i'm having this reaaaally bizarre problem .. whenever I run dpkg --configure -a (after doing a sys-upgrade), the computer seems to shut itself off at some point during the process. If I don't run dpkg --configure -a, the system remains stable. I thought it might be a PSU issue but it's not (tried another one and same problem). Any ideas at all? |
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| 23:42.15 | squisher | gs, try a kernel update? |
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