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| 00:11.43 | Internat | as a stupid question, would a raid rsync itself priodicallly? or should i take it doing it to mean something is wrong? |
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| 00:16.55 | CoolCold | i have strange problem |
| 00:17.13 | CoolCold | in grub's menu.lst i have default saved |
| 00:17.14 | amphi | have you consulted your physician? |
| 00:17.38 | CoolCold | in /boot/grub/default i have 0 as 1st string |
| 00:18.02 | CoolCold | but i get the entry number 2 loaded |
| 00:18.28 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
| 00:18.30 | CoolCold | can't get what the problem is.. |
| 00:19.39 | amphi | CoolCold: what does "grep '^default' /boot/grub/menu.lst" say? |
| 00:19.45 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 00:19.46 | amphi | ;) |
| 00:19.51 | Nyle | amphi, whas up man |
| 00:19.53 | Nyle | whats goin on |
| 00:20.09 | CoolCold | root@nekobus:/boot/grub# grep '^default' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:20.09 | CoolCold | default saved |
| 00:21.37 | enouf | CoolCold: possible you're have more than 1 menu.lst file? on another HDD? |
| 00:21.43 | amphi | I have 0 here, FWIW |
| 00:22.03 | amphi | Nyle: wind and rain |
| 00:22.04 | enouf | me too .. 0 here |
| 00:22.27 | amphi | CoolCold: why do you have 'saved'? |
| 00:24.29 | DeltaS4 | is it possible to use a webcam with MSN? |
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| 00:27.40 | CoolCold | amphi well, this is possible of cuz, but i've never noticed that ;) |
| 00:27.48 | acc_ | Can anyone point me to any articles (or offer any suggestions) weighing the pros and cons of ext2 vs. ext3 on a root partition? Not having much luck w/ Google. |
| 00:27.51 | akuma5 | hello i am trying to setup a file server can some one help me with that? |
| 00:28.05 | CoolCold | amphi i have saved because i wanna check new kernel to load and if it fails load the old one |
| 00:28.14 | CoolCold | but i can't! |
| 00:28.38 | enouf | Internat: seen /etc/default/mdadm and /etc/cron.d/mdadm ? |
| 00:29.00 | Internat | kinda |
| 00:29.07 | Internat | i saw that there is a job that is meant to check it |
| 00:29.26 | CoolCold | i have savedefault 4 in new kernel's definition, but entry 2 is loaded anyway |
| 00:29.34 | CoolCold | http://paste.org.ru/?zmnvl5 |
| 00:29.36 | akuma5 | does anybody know how to config cifs for a file server? |
| 00:29.54 | Internat | it just seems wierd that ALL my raids resynced to day. thats 4 different raids over 10 different hdds.. |
| 00:30.37 | lilkid | I'm trying to set up samba to act as a PDC with XP clients.. everythings fine until I try to join a computer to the domain, I get an error message "Username could not be found" |
| 00:30.55 | CoolCold | amphi and the server is in DC, and i can't check console on load |
| 00:31.33 | enouf | Internat: "Thus, only run on the first Sunday of each month." |
| 00:31.49 | Internat | yeah i understand that, but i wouldnt have thought a check involved resyncing.. |
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| 00:33.47 | lilkid | In samba logs it caus "create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create administrators" and same again with users.. anyone know what might possibly be wrong? |
| 00:33.49 | enouf | Internat: && /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --quiet <==edit/make to your liking, make separate entries for each array maybe, stagger them, so they don't --all at once |
| 00:34.07 | lilkid | *says |
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| 00:35.32 | amphi | CoolCold: ah |
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| 00:36.07 | rgravener | so i hear my openssl is bad since i get this error: The CSR you have created includes a possible compromised key. Please re-create your CSR and re-submit your request. Any suggestions on getting openssl updated? |
| 00:36.58 | CoolCold | amphi any ideas? |
| 00:37.35 | amphi | CoolCold: nope, I've never used that feature of grub |
| 00:37.53 | adama | rgravener: apt-get update; apt-get install openssl |
| 00:37.55 | CoolCold | i've tryed in vmware, it worked |
| 00:38.15 | rgravener | adama: did those. |
| 00:38.31 | CoolCold | trying on the real server and can't understand why it's so weird |
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| 00:38.54 | adama | re-create you CSR? |
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| 00:41.37 | Internat | i have no problem with it doing them all at once. my concern was that the check process seems to be a resync. Which doesnt overly concern me apart from the load it puts on the hdds for a bit, i just had never seen it do that before and this morning i did and it worried me some. If i know its going to do it im not so worried anymore |
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| 00:43.23 | enouf | Internat: my point was, maybe the simulataneous redundancy checks + load triggered a resync, though i'm no mdadm know-it-all .. |
| 00:43.45 | Internat | ah ok, i see what your saying |
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| 00:44.58 | enouf | CoolCold: one other person i know for days was banging their head in with your issue - turned out he had multiple /boot/grub/* and was editing the wrong file |
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| 00:45.33 | CoolCold | enouf that'd be rather strange |
| 00:45.48 | CoolCold | i've just changed default saved to default 4 - loaded the right one |
| 00:45.50 | enouf | not that rare |
| 00:46.32 | enouf | many people install grub more than once, without realizing the implications .. two installs on one system is all it takes |
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| 00:47.30 | CoolCold | enouf u mean i can have 2 grubs on different partitions or what? |
| 00:47.32 | enouf | i never used default saved, but i recall reading something about that file getting stale or someshit |
| 00:47.51 | enouf | CoolCold: yes, 2 HDDs ,. 2 Installs, one to each disk |
| 00:47.55 | enouf | or more |
| 00:48.29 | CoolCold | even if this is true, menu.lst file is right one |
| 00:48.51 | CoolCold | i mean it's parsed and applyed |
| 00:49.32 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 00:49.47 | CoolCold | yeah |
| 00:49.52 | CoolCold | this document i was reading |
| 00:50.07 | CoolCold | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/savedefault.html#savedefault to be more exact |
| 00:50.21 | enouf | However, you need to run grub-set-default (see Invoking grub-set-default) when `A' starts correctly or you fix `A' after it crashes, since GRUB always sets next boot entry to a fallback entry. You should run this command in a startup script such as rc.local to boot `A' by default: |
| 00:50.25 | CoolCold | and this one http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html#Booting-once_002donly |
| 00:51.29 | CoolCold | enouf this could be, but not in my case |
| 00:51.40 | CoolCold | look here plz http://paste.org.ru/?zmnvl5 |
| 00:52.23 | lilkid | could someone please tell me what this line does? because it just solved all my problems and i don't understand how.. |
| 00:52.26 | lilkid | add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false -d /home/nobody %u |
| 00:52.37 | lilkid | put it in smb.conf |
| 00:53.14 | CoolCold | savedefault on the 1st entry was 4, this is now set to 2 just for tests, not be confused with this |
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| 00:53.29 | enouf | CoolCold: did you read the syntax of the stanzas in the URL i posted? |
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| 00:54.38 | giuseppe | hi everyone, I've installed a minimal etch 686, installed xorg (aptitude install xorg) and tried startx, I receive error 104, no device/screen found. in /var/log/Xorg0 I founded errors like "directory /fonts/1000dpi doesn't exist and so on. can u help me please? thanks |
| 00:55.13 | CoolCold | enouf not really, since i'm not using fallback |
| 00:55.29 | enouf | CoolCold: the "fallback 1 2 # This is important!!!" refers to the two stanzas directly below - and each has "savedefault fallback" not "savedefault N |
| 00:55.39 | enouf | oh |
| 00:55.48 | enouf | what? |
| 00:55.56 | enouf | i give up ;-) |
| 00:56.03 | CoolCold | i'me using "boot once" |
| 00:56.08 | CoolCold | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html#Booting-once_002donly |
| 00:56.15 | CoolCold | here is it, almost the same as fallback |
| 00:56.31 | enouf | no clue man |
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| 00:58.18 | CoolCold | enouf what it means, no clue? english isn't my native language :( |
| 00:58.57 | biopyte | folks, i recently updated mc (midnight commander) on lenny. unfortunately the new version comes without the smb-link option to connect to a samba server. any idea or do i have to compile my own mc or downgrade on etch? |
| 00:59.17 | biopyte | mc - etch version |
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| 01:01.07 | CoolCold | well...looks like default saved is ignored by grub |
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| 01:01.38 | CoolCold | i've tryed grub-set-default 2 and got 4th entry kernel loaded |
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| 01:11.15 | enouf | # updatedefaultentry=false ? |
| 01:11.22 | CoolCold | enouf yes |
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| 01:11.44 | CoolCold | but this is update-grub directive, not grub's itself |
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| 01:12.24 | enouf | yeah well, maybe those comments are old and need updating |
| 01:12.43 | enouf | wouldn't be the 1st time i've seen stuff like that |
| 01:12.43 | gnunixguy | is back |
| 01:13.05 | CoolCold | enouf well, in my vmware installation it has the same value |
| 01:13.24 | CoolCold | they are both etch systems |
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| 01:13.36 | CoolCold | but vmware works while this not ;( |
| 01:14.15 | enouf | that points at multiple copies/entries as vmwarez is self-contained |
| 01:14.16 | simmerz | does anyone here use debian Etch with Xen and have ipv6 working on a domU? |
| 01:14.17 | CoolCold | i'm trying to ask on #grub but with no luck |
| 01:14.20 | simmerz | I can't get it working |
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| 01:15.29 | CoolCold | enouf but when i change default saved to default 4 - it works |
| 01:15.56 | CoolCold | this means i have right config, but default saved is ignored by some reason... |
| 01:17.02 | gnunixguy | i prefer virtualbox, but i wish they would hurry up on the 64bit guest support |
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| 01:21.51 | CoolCold | enouf Jul 6 05:19:17 localhost kernel: mcedit(8418): dirtied inode 8046 (default) on sda1 |
| 01:22.08 | CoolCold | root@nekobus:/boot/grub# mount |grep boot |
| 01:22.09 | CoolCold | /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) |
| 01:22.25 | CoolCold | this is the right partition |
| 01:22.55 | CoolCold | and it's marked as active... |
| 01:23.29 | CoolCold | i'm out of ideas what to do |
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| 01:24.42 | enouf | i have no more ideas, i got lost once we veered off of fallback |
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| 01:29.26 | CoolCold | looks like i'm forced to use kvm for checkin new kernel start.. |
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| 01:33.34 | miksuh | http://www.laquadrature.net/en/meps-want-torpedo-free-internet-july-7th |
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| 01:35.48 | miksuh | spread the word, time is running out! |
| 01:36.05 | akuma5 | how do i mount a drive like sda1 |
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| 01:37.38 | Supaplex | mount /dev/sda1 /where |
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| 01:45.07 | friendlys | how can i get the numeric chmodded value of the file by using the chmod command? i recall it was something like chmod -v - somefile ? can someone correct me ? |
| 01:46.45 | Quag7 | stat will do it |
| 01:47.09 | friendlys | no i need to do it via chmod |
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| 01:51.33 | dondelelcaro | friendlys: why? that's what stat is for. |
| 01:54.13 | infinitycircuit | is there a reasonably new ATI PCI card that has free graphics drivers which support 3d? |
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| 02:01.11 | ricosecada | I had mounted a nfs drive that has been shot down and my computer continues to look at the directory as mounted/busy. I have tried umount -f but without succes. How do I really unmount this? |
| 02:05.11 | gnunixguy | delete all the files and unplug the network cables? |
| 02:05.17 | gnunixguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.10 | troubled | dondelelcaro: *poke* (see other window) |
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| 02:14.37 | verbalkin | hi |
| 02:15.00 | Guerin | verbalkin: naming yourself after characters in films is lame |
| 02:15.04 | Guerin | just FYI |
| 02:15.43 | troubled | what film is verbalkin from? |
| 02:16.08 | dobian | ;o dobi |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | Verbal Kint, from The Usual Suspects |
| 02:16.44 | Guerin | one of the more righteous ganster movies of all time, by the way |
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| 02:17.02 | troubled | hmmm, doesnt ring any bells. think ive seen it before though |
| 02:17.06 | DogBoy | there was never a character named Guerin |
| 02:17.23 | DogBoy | never heard of usual suspects |
| 02:17.26 | DogBoy | fired |
| 02:17.29 | Guerin | you fail |
| 02:17.44 | Guerin | report to the re-education camp by 0600 |
| 02:17.55 | DogBoy | saw that three times in the theater |
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| 02:18.12 | DogBoy | every time the audience applauded like crazy at the end |
| 02:18.19 | Guerin | I was one of the few people genuinely surprised by the ending |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | everyone else claims to have figured it out |
| 02:19.23 | DogBoy | heh, grabriel byrne got into a fight with the director over it |
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| 02:44.29 | Nickstuffinc | Does anyone have any experience with caching updates for a network? specifically for updates for xp games, and other apps. |
| 02:45.09 | Supaplex | sounds like a possible job for squid. |
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| 02:45.53 | Nickstuffinc | Ive actually been playing with squid all morning. I cant seem to get larger files to cache |
| 02:46.23 | Supaplex | your object size is too small |
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| 02:46.42 | Nickstuffinc | 30mb for a >5mb file |
| 02:47.33 | Nickstuffinc | I must be missing some little configuration bit. |
| 02:47.50 | Supaplex | well, I recall setting the maximum filesize to cache when I was caching apt repos. Granted this was about a year ago, but until I upped that, any deb file too big wasn't cached. |
| 02:48.23 | Nickstuffinc | hmm I will do some more testing |
| 02:48.59 | Nickstuffinc | perhaps its because I'm was using a VM to test things. |
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| 02:56.01 | verbalkint | i have a good question |
| 02:56.07 | verbalkint | can i say you? |
| 02:56.34 | verbalkint | mmmm |
| 02:56.35 | Supaplex | you already said you. now what? |
| 02:56.42 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 02:56.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:57.59 | mohadib | anyone reccomend a switch for mplayer to make interlacing faster? |
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| 02:59.57 | Supaplex | apt-get install faster-cpu |
| 03:00.10 | Nickstuffinc | lol |
| 03:00.56 | mohadib | :s |
| 03:01.10 | mohadib | the cpu is running at liek 1% |
| 03:01.35 | mohadib | i wonder if its IO bound or something |
| 03:01.39 | mohadib | or mplater is sucking |
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| 03:02.05 | mohadib | its not real noticeable , but compared to my upscanning stand alond dvd player it kinda sucks |
| 03:02.51 | infinitycircuit | i hate new hardware |
| 03:03.05 | infinitycircuit | i have to install debian manually using debootstrap from system rescue cd to get this thing to work |
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| 03:34.08 | Lectus | where can I enable/disable services in debian? |
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| 03:34.56 | liable | !services |
| 03:34.56 | dpkg | well, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 03:35.23 | zeeble | i prefer the update-rc.d method |
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| 03:39.10 | Greyscale | http://pastebin.ca/1063451 How do I remove the second 5.0.0.0 entry? |
| 03:39.12 | dolphin_noel | boa noite |
| 03:40.01 | Supaplex | turns the hand crank on pastebin.ca's dialup connection |
| 03:40.16 | Greyscale | Supaplex, pastebin.com won't even load for me :( |
| 03:40.26 | Supaplex | try http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:40.30 | Greyscale | .ca is the only one I could get to work |
| 03:40.33 | Greyscale | ok, willdo |
| 03:41.01 | Greyscale | http://rafb.net/p/yE8NNW60.html |
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| 03:41.49 | Supaplex | route delete 5.0.0.0 gateway default dev ham0 (I think) |
| 03:41.53 | Greyscale | if you're wondering wtf I have a 5.0.0.0 address for, its a hamachi vpn |
| 03:42.19 | Greyscale | hense ham0. I don't like pork that much |
| 03:42.19 | Greyscale | Supaplex, I'll give it a shot |
| 03:42.38 | Supaplex | well, it beats spam0 |
| 03:42.41 | Greyscale | route: default: cannot use a NETWORK as gateway! |
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| 03:46.34 | Supaplex | humm. I don't know now. I see route del <ip> dev <if> works... but that doesn't specify the default gw. |
| 03:47.16 | Greyscale | route del 5.0.0.0 dev ham0 |
| 03:47.16 | Greyscale | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 03:47.18 | Greyscale | D: What? |
| 03:49.22 | Supaplex | li:~# route del 166.70.62.199 dev eth2 |
| 03:49.58 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/Y2PMbP21.html |
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| 03:50.59 | Greyscale | well, mine just took a dump all over my feet. |
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| 03:57.45 | Greyscale | ack, brb, jumping to wifi |
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| 04:01.28 | luquee | hi any now were i can download debian potato for my old pc |
| 04:01.41 | luquee | iso images |
| 04:01.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | archive.debian.org, or a 3rd party |
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| 04:02.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | if its not in the archive still |
| 04:03.11 | luquee | debian.org cant find the iso you now the link ? |
| 04:03.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | no i dont have a link. my guess is that you wont find the iso anymore. you may be able to build one with debian-cd+archive.d.o+a lot of hacking |
| 04:03.51 | gnunixguy | www.google.com |
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| 04:04.49 | luquee | ok thanks |
| 04:05.50 | Greyscale | aww cack. |
| 04:06.14 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:06.36 | Greyscale | I have a BNC. you won't have noticed my disconnection :P |
| 04:07.32 | Greyscale | http://rafb.net/p/GRIfxt62.html |
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| 04:09.44 | esaym | anyone know why usb printer is blacked out under add new printer in cups? |
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| 04:12.10 | DogBoy | you don't have a usb printer? |
| 04:12.47 | Greyscale | ..bwahahahah, that was awsome. Walkers baked crisps. I look up and theres a picture of the united kingdom being dragged towards Jamaica. |
| 04:12.55 | Greyscale | 'New walkers baked' |
| 04:13.06 | Greyscale | I was like... 'wait.. what? bwahaha' |
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| 04:16.35 | Greyscale | reboot.. |
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| 04:17.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there a pam module that runs an arbitary script apon login? i thought there was, but i cant seem to find one anymore. (i may simply be thinking of gdms login/logout scripts) |
| 04:17.37 | Nickstuffinc | have you tried ctrl + alt + backspace? |
| 04:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nickstuffinc, are you talking to me? |
| 04:18.58 | Nickstuffinc | no Just a little joke |
| 04:19.16 | Nickstuffinc | restarts the x server for those who dont know |
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| 04:21.31 | Greyscale | ack |
| 04:21.33 | Greyscale | I still can't get it to behave |
| 04:21.52 | mohadib | hello |
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| 04:23.07 | Nickstuffinc | ola |
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| 04:23.35 | mohadib | i use xfce4-terminal , and its slow , same with gnome-terminal , xterm is fast but doesnt seem to parse urls , can someone suggest a fast,solid x shell thats url aware? |
| 04:23.52 | mohadib | or can i make xterm url aware? |
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| 04:28.06 | Nyle | there is a script for irssi called openurl |
| 04:28.22 | Nyle | aptitude install irssi-scripts and in irssi /script load openurl |
| 04:29.31 | Rusty1 | he's gone. wuz going to suggest xemacs (tongue in cheek) |
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| 04:33.17 | Ryan52 | I'm trying to do have one postfix server use a client certificate to relay mail to another. And it's getting relay access denied. I have "smtp_use_tls = yes" in my first server and "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated,permit_mynetworks,permit_tls_clientcerts,reject_unauth_destination" and "relay_clientcerts = hash:/etc/postfix/relay_clients" in my 2nd servers config file. and I have the md5 in /etc/postfix/relay_clients. Anything I |
| 04:33.18 | siimo | anyone having keyboard issues with vmware and debian testing? :/ |
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| 04:34.01 | Dundreary | hello all |
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| 04:34.50 | Ryan52 | and I have all of the smtp_tls_* set on the first, too. |
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| 04:38.02 | deadcat | xulrunner-stub is killing my CPU |
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| 04:43.07 | Ryan52 | spooky...I took out a bunch of seemingly unrelated useless junk and it started working...whatever! |
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| 04:47.46 | wols | deadcat: ff3? and what debian branch? |
| 04:49.18 | deadcat | sid |
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| 04:49.27 | deadcat | wols: ya ff3.. SOB.. )= |
| 04:49.35 | Lectus | Hello! I'm running debian with gnome. When I open gnome-appeareance-properties it hangs and takes 100% CPU. How can I solve this? |
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| 05:03.54 | Dundreary | hello all |
| 05:04.03 | Dundreary | does anyone know how to mount a cdrom? |
| 05:04.19 | Dundreary | mount cdrom gives /dev/cdrom not a block deivce |
| 05:05.55 | wols | Dundreary: what is your cdrom device? |
| 05:06.16 | Dundreary | wols: how do I find that? |
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| 05:06.31 | wols | Dundreary: ls /dev/*cd* and ls /dev/*dvd* |
| 05:06.36 | wols | you find out with dmesg |
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| 05:06.47 | Dundreary | wols: oh |
| 05:06.52 | wols | and usually, debian should have put your optical drives into /etc/fstab |
| 05:06.53 | benjamindees | dmesg|grep -E 'CD(/DVD)?-?ROM' |
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| 05:10.30 | akuma5 | is dabian better than ubuntu |
| 05:10.49 | benjamindees | no, we all use ubuntu here :-| |
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| 05:12.26 | Arafangion | Hey, I have two versions of svn installed, one in /usr/bin/svn, and the other in /opt/svn-1.5.0/bin/svn. How do I make the latter the default svn? |
| 05:12.49 | Arafangion | I've tried prepending it to the $PATH, but that doesn't appear to make a difference. |
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| 05:13.30 | Dundreary | wols, benjamindees, actaually, I had installed DSL before |
| 05:13.41 | Dundreary | now, while booting, it says startx command not found |
| 05:14.02 | Dundreary | so, I booted the live CD and copied the files startx and xinit |
| 05:14.16 | Dundreary | now, it says that xauth: command not found |
| 05:14.39 | Dundreary | so, I thought of accessing the CD again and copying xauth in /usr/bin |
| 05:15.53 | Dundreary | so, was trying to mount cdrom instead off booting from the live CD |
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| 05:18.04 | Dundreary | wols, benjamindees: guys, you there? |
| 05:18.36 | benjamindees | so are you even using Debian? |
| 05:18.48 | PingFloyd | anybody else have the problem when they start xfce4 that panel doesn't come nor can they access the settings from the xfce4 settings applet? |
| 05:18.59 | Dundreary | benjamindees: no, I was using DSL |
| 05:19.05 | PingFloyd | s/come/come up |
| 05:19.12 | Dundreary | and had converted that to a kind of Debian system |
| 05:19.27 | PingFloyd | in etch |
| 05:19.30 | Dundreary | just that I had installed apt-get and all the GNU utils |
| 05:19.34 | DogBoy_ | lenny here, I set to static ip and now the network widget in the tray says I got no network |
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| 05:20.12 | Dundreary | benjamindees: I don't have no GUI now..operating completely from console |
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| 05:21.01 | PeterFA | I'm having a hard time find resources on how to get my Radeon All-In-Wonder 8000 to work under Linux. I got the graphics accell working but not the tv capture. |
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| 05:22.04 | PeterFA | There's no /dev/video0 device. |
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| 05:22.18 | Arafangion | PeterFA: Use the latest ATI drivers, since ATI and AMD merged, the drivers have become vastly better. |
| 05:22.25 | owen1 | !apt-proxy |
| 05:22.25 | dpkg | methinks apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package |
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| 05:22.32 | Arafangion | PeterFA: Of course, I'm assuming that they're still supporting your card. :( |
| 05:22.55 | PeterFA | Arafangion, what's the package? |
| 05:23.03 | owen1 | when installing debian, is it better to choose lvm? |
| 05:23.14 | benjamindees | I guess debtakeover is no longer maintained |
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| 05:23.41 | Dundreary | benjamindees: oh |
| 05:23.54 | Arafangion | owen1: Theoretically, yes, but in practice it might be easier not to use lvm if you don't already know it and you're not running a server. If you like having many partitions, it would probably be worth it. |
| 05:24.02 | Dundreary | wols and benjamindees, thanks anyways |
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| 05:27.17 | PeterFA | I followed dpkg's howto to convert my system to lenny, and it apt-get update spits errors. This is my sources.list file: http://rafb.net/p/hkKS3260.html |
| 05:27.39 | wols | PeterFA: only way you can get it to work is the ati/radeon drivers. the fglrx from ati will NOT work |
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| 05:28.10 | Arafangion | wols: I find that's very... well, sometimes it /won't/ work, and sometimes it's the only way it will work. :( |
| 05:28.11 | PeterFA | Ok, I got it to work. |
| 05:28.19 | PeterFA | And whoa! that's a lot of packages! |
| 05:28.29 | PeterFA | Whoa whoa whoa! |
| 05:29.11 | PeterFA | That's gatta be nearly a thousand packages. |
| 05:29.18 | owen1 | Arafangion: ok. |
| 05:29.25 | wols | Arafangion: ati's fglrx doesn't support any card lower than radeon9500 anymore. if it's not a r3xx or later, it's not supported |
| 05:29.55 | liable | s/later/earlier/ |
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| 05:30.14 | PeterFA | wols, so, what's the package to install those drivers? |
| 05:30.18 | Arafangion | wols: That's irritating. |
| 05:30.45 | wols | PeterFA: dunno about the TV part. better google. as for graphics/3D: the ati driver that comes with X |
| 05:30.51 | Dundreary | wols: it says that the CDROM is some iso9660 |
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| 05:31.09 | wols | Dundreary: a CD is always iso9660. it's its filesystem |
| 05:31.18 | Dundreary | wols: oh..ok |
| 05:31.20 | PeterFA | wols, I'm changing over to lenny, atm. |
| 05:31.30 | wols | PeterFA: and? |
| 05:31.31 | PeterFA | What's the xorg configure script? |
| 05:31.39 | PeterFA | wols, and hundreds of packages. |
| 05:31.46 | wols | !tell PeterFA about drxx |
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| 05:32.00 | rockstar | Can anyone point me in a direction of a python library specific packaging guide? |
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| 05:32.06 | wols | and there might not be any script anymore thanks to the miracle of edid. utterly bullshit |
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| 05:32.27 | wols | rockstar: look at other python libs already in debian |
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| 05:34.15 | PingFloyd | wols: they're going to do away with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg script? |
| 05:34.26 | simonrvn | !drxx PeterFA |
| 05:34.26 | dpkg | PeterFA: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 05:34.29 | wols | PingFloyd: no |
| 05:35.01 | PingFloyd | wols: you mean the upstream configuration script they're doing away with? |
| 05:35.17 | wols | nothing is done away with at all |
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| 05:35.54 | PeterFA | I loved that script in Gentoo. It got my system runnign in no time. |
| 05:35.56 | PeterFA | xorgconfig |
| 05:36.34 | PingFloyd | wols: < wols> and there might not be any script anymore thanks to the miracle of |
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| 05:36.52 | PingFloyd | wols: what did you mean by that statement? |
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| 05:37.22 | wols | a script to select the video driver |
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| 05:37.41 | wols | PingFloyd: debian doesn't do xorgconfig |
| 05:37.48 | PingFloyd | wols: I know |
| 05:37.49 | Dundreary | wols: mkinitrdramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image |
| 05:37.53 | PeterFA | I loved that script too. |
| 05:38.12 | PingFloyd | we use a debconf |
| 05:38.13 | Dundreary | wols: any idea what this means? I get when I try to install a newer kernle |
| 05:38.14 | wols | Dundreary: why are you running it? and what has this to do with a CD? |
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| 05:38.40 | wols | exact error Dundreary |
| 05:38.43 | benjamindees | Dundreary, uname -a |
| 05:38.52 | Dundreary | 2.4.31 |
| 05:38.59 | wols | Dundreary: not a debian kernel |
| 05:39.06 | Dundreary | wols: oh?? |
| 05:39.14 | wols | Dundreary: not compatible with lenny either. with etch: maybe, just maybe |
| 05:39.28 | wols | Dundreary: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 05:39.50 | Dundreary | oh oh |
| 05:39.53 | Dundreary | never knew |
| 05:40.09 | Dundreary | that is why I always used to get that libc6 was of an older version |
| 05:40.14 | wols | Dundreary: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 05:40.15 | Dundreary | and lenny never worked |
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| 05:40.23 | Dundreary | wols: I'll try that now |
| 05:41.21 | Dundreary | 1.I tried to install startx but failed to do it in etch, so went for lenny where it said that you need a kernel 2.6.8 or later |
| 05:41.44 | Dundreary | so, tried to install that with apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 05:42.03 | Dundreary | and during installation, I get that mkinitramfs error |
| 05:42.16 | wols | !tell Dundreary about etch->lenny |
| 05:42.29 | Dundreary | wols: ??? |
| 05:42.44 | wols | unless you give us exact errors we cannot help |
| 05:42.57 | wols | also, I am still waiting |
| 05:43.01 | Dundreary | ok here it is: |
| 05:43.13 | wols | !tell Dundreary about paste |
| 05:43.20 | PingFloyd | Dundreary: what do you mean by tried to install startx? |
| 05:43.22 | Dundreary | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 05:43.28 | wols | PingFloyd: get X to work |
| 05:43.31 | Dundreary | PingFloyd: apt-get install startx |
| 05:43.40 | wols | Dundreary: that package does not exist |
| 05:43.45 | PingFloyd | Dundreary: you mean you wanted it where X is invoked by typing startx instead of from a dm? |
| 05:43.46 | wols | !tell Dundreary about install x |
| 05:43.47 | Dundreary | it does, in lenny |
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| 05:44.28 | Dundreary | wols: there is X in /etc/X11 |
| 05:44.39 | Dundreary | it is a symlink to xvesa |
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| 05:44.55 | wols | Dundreary: either you answer all my questions I asked until now. or you can look for help with someone else. goodbyre |
| 05:45.24 | Dundreary | wols: I have been answering all the questions .. |
| 05:45.31 | Dundreary | the problem is that I don't have X |
| 05:45.37 | Dundreary | I'm in completely console |
| 05:45.45 | wols | no. you haven't answered any. please stop talking to me. goodybe |
| 05:46.45 | Dundreary | wols: ok. I'll log out, try to find the answers for allyour questions and come back |
| 05:46.53 | Arafangion | *sigh*, is ext3 prone to corruption? (With kernel 2.6.18) |
| 05:46.59 | wols | Arafangion: no |
| 05:47.14 | wols | ext3 is the fs most tested and most stable on linux by far |
| 05:47.46 | Arafangion | Hmm, I wonder why my fs is corrupt, then. |
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| 05:48.06 | Arafangion | It's practically full, and I've just checked out my svn repo using git, which would make it especially full. |
| 05:48.38 | Arafangion | And all of a sudden it's read-only with a whole bunch of dmesg logs (which are so numerous that the original logs that would give a clue as to hte problem have gone) |
| 05:48.54 | wols | !tell Arafangion about errors |
| 05:49.08 | wols | there is kern.log btw |
| 05:49.12 | Arafangion | Ahh, google indicates that the ext3 corruption in kernel 2.6.18 applies to the *fedora* kernels. |
| 05:49.20 | Arafangion | wols: I've never been able to read that file. :( |
| 05:49.32 | wols | why not? |
| 05:50.19 | Arafangion | Oh, it's in plain text, must've been thinking of a different log file. |
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| 05:51.56 | Dundreary | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 gives |
| 05:51.56 | dpkg | ii libc6 | tail -1 gives 1.3-15 dundreary's private stamp collection |
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| 05:52.24 | Dundreary | ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch5 GNU Clibrary: shared libraries |
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| 05:52.34 | Arafangion | wols: Here's my kern.log file: http://rafb.net/p/gT068d94.html |
| 05:53.24 | Dundreary | and install x: install: cannot stat 'x': no such file or directory |
| 05:53.47 | wols | Arafangion: make some room and convert your fs back to ext2, then remake it ext3 |
| 05:53.48 | infinitycircuit | if i have linux-source-2.6.25 and i have applied a few patches to it but i forgot what they were |
| 05:54.04 | infinitycircuit | is there a way to remove the patches and restore the kernel to its original debian state without redownloading the sources? |
| 05:54.06 | Arafangion | wols: That's easy. I'm going to make an up-to-date backup first. |
| 05:54.09 | wols | Arafangion: looks like a corrupted journeal or such. while it's ext2, run fsck on it |
| 05:54.13 | wols | Arafangion: live CD |
| 05:54.15 | benjamindees | Dundreary, are you trying to get etch or testing? |
| 05:54.16 | Arafangion | wols: Any suggestions as to why it happened? |
| 05:54.19 | wols | yes, backup is always a good idea |
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| 05:54.23 | owen1 | how to skip the options of debian when booting the system? |
| 05:54.29 | wols | Arafangion: not really |
| 05:54.35 | simonrvn | um, what? |
| 05:54.41 | Dundreary | benjamindees: I am trying to upgrade my kernel |
| 05:54.42 | hacim | Arafangion: i'm interested in hearing where you have heard that about 2.6.18+ext3 |
| 05:55.01 | hacim | Arafangion: because I am running that kernel on debian with ext3 fs and want to know if I should be aware of something! |
| 05:55.01 | wols | owen1: what options? |
| 05:55.02 | benjamindees | Dundreary, yes I understand that. |
| 05:55.41 | Dundreary | benjamindees: etch works fine as of now |
| 05:56.10 | mohadib | can i use 2 dual head sli cards to run 3 displays? |
| 05:56.20 | mohadib | or should i look for no sli cards? or? |
| 05:56.21 | benjamindees | Dundreary, except you have no etch kernel? |
| 05:56.25 | Arafangion | hacim: I got mislead by google results, from what I've now gathered by more careful reading,is that they seem to be talking about fedora's kernel with particular patches. |
| 05:56.34 | Arafangion | hacim: Possibly in relation to LVM. |
| 05:57.11 | Dundreary | benjamindees: my kernel is 2.4.31 and etch seems to work fine |
| 05:57.36 | Arafangion | wols: Is it possible that power failures have led to this bug? I had a few power failures a couple of weeks ago, is it possible that might've resulted in corruption that manifested much later when the FS became full? |
| 05:57.41 | benjamindees | Dundreary, except upgrading kernels won't work because that kernel is too new for Etch. |
| 05:57.50 | Arafangion | wols: I hope not, because that is the whole /point/ of having a journal. |
| 05:57.50 | Dundreary | benjamindees: oh |
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| 05:58.19 | wols | Arafangion: possible yes. but it would be a bug. only know about xfs being problematic with powerfailures |
| 05:58.26 | wols | ext3 always was pretty graceful |
| 05:59.07 | Arafangion | wonders if he can burn a DVD. |
| 05:59.32 | path_ | anybody alive ? |
| 05:59.46 | path_ | need info about the debian day history but can't find anything |
| 05:59.55 | path_ | :( |
| 06:01.08 | hacim | Arafangion: my money is on a drive going bad... but you should unmount and fsck |
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| 06:01.48 | wols | Arafangion: a long smartmontools run is an excellent idea yes |
| 06:03.55 | Arafangion | hacim: My money is on the fs itself being corrupt, in the past I did alot of dual-booting between windows running ext2, and linux runnign ext3 (an idea I stopped doing last year, due to suspected "issues") |
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| 06:06.28 | Arafangion | I think rather than converting to ext2, and then converting back to ext3, I might as well delete the partition and restore it completely from backup. |
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| 06:06.47 | Arafangion | And do smartmontools for good measure. |
| 06:07.29 | wols | Arafangion: then all bets are off of course. who knows what the windows driver did |
| 06:07.55 | wols | that one is definitely not as well supported and it also means it could have directly caused this journal issue: ext2 has none, ext3 does |
| 06:08.51 | owen1 | wols: i got 2 version of debian that i can choose from. i want to save 3 seconds by skiping it. |
| 06:09.06 | Arafangion | wols: Well, the issue I discovered was that while the windows drivers are pretty good, windows is <censored> <censored> when it comes to standby, hibernation, etc, and does not restore the fs to a sane point before entering hibernation. |
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| 06:09.31 | Arafangion | is damn glad that he used multiple partitions now. |
| 06:09.50 | wols | owen1: set the timeout in your menu.lst lower |
| 06:09.56 | wols | owen1: and define a default boot |
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| 06:11.07 | owen1 | wols: can't i just tell debian to skip it? |
| 06:11.57 | Arafangion | owen1: That's a nonsensical question. |
| 06:12.31 | Arafangion | owen1: What you want to do is to have the timeout so low that you'll barely even see it. |
| 06:12.49 | Arafangion | owen1: Which, incidentially, is effectively what windows does - it hides the menu. |
| 06:13.04 | owen1 | Arafangion: got it, thanks. |
| 06:13.37 | Arafangion | owen1: btw, you can skip the requirement to use grub or lilo in teh first place if you manage to get your kernel size below 512 bytes. :) |
| 06:13.49 | Arafangion | (good luck) |
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| 06:19.16 | owen1 | i am using kernel 2.6.18-6-686. is it the most updated for ecth? |
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| 06:25.48 | Dewi | owen1: you don't want to take away your ability to do maintenance. A timeout of 1 second you won't notice |
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| 06:26.56 | Dewi | (but you can still hit a key in that moment to gain access to the boot options) |
| 06:27.23 | Arafangion | Even that 1 second could be irritating if it's a machine that's frequently rebooted. (ie, a laptop) |
| 06:27.35 | Arafangion | Just make sure you've got a good live-cd lying around. |
| 06:27.43 | Dewi | Arafangion: I guess |
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| 06:28.11 | Dewi | if you're in that much of a hurry, hit enter |
| 06:28.18 | Arafangion | tries to remember how big a file he can burn to an ordinary single-sided single-layer DVD. |
| 06:28.32 | Dewi | Arafangion: around 4.3 GiB? |
| 06:28.36 | Arafangion | Nice. |
| 06:28.44 | Arafangion | Was hoping it wasn't 2.x GB. |
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| 06:29.40 | Demosthenes | anyone had issues with funny chars when LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ? |
| 06:29.59 | Dewi | Demosthenes: that's the default lang now (for USA) |
| 06:30.03 | Dewi | Demosthenes: it mostly works |
| 06:30.06 | Demosthenes | i've had to export LANG=C to make mutt and man pages look right |
| 06:30.08 | Dewi | Demosthenes: what's your issue? |
| 06:30.13 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: Your fonts don't have the required characters for those symbols. |
| 06:30.15 | Dewi | Demosthenes: what's your terminal? |
| 06:30.23 | Demosthenes | man pages with quotes, and mutt thread indicators |
| 06:30.25 | L815 | is there a way I can install debian with wireless support ? I can't access the internet without it |
| 06:30.26 | Demosthenes | Eterm |
| 06:30.27 | Dewi | Demosthenes: putty? |
| 06:30.34 | Arafangion | Ahh, Demosthenes's talking about that insanely idiotic "smart quotes" that gcc likes to use when spitting out errors. |
| 06:30.43 | Arafangion | (And other programs) |
| 06:30.55 | Dewi | Demosthenes: I wonder if eterm supports utf-8 |
| 06:31.02 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: Try xterm-unicode. |
| 06:31.10 | Dewi | some of the terminals still don't |
| 06:31.12 | Demosthenes | the two most common places are man pages and mutt. |
| 06:31.22 | Demosthenes | given the choice, i'll just set LANG=C in my .profile |
| 06:31.27 | Demosthenes | Eterm's a requirement |
| 06:31.32 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: Why's that? |
| 06:31.59 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: work style |
| 06:32.11 | Demosthenes | and many many years of eterm/enlightenment configs |
| 06:32.46 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: Too much sunk cost, I see. |
| 06:33.23 | Dewi | Demosthenes: C is very conservative |
| 06:33.26 | Dewi | Demosthenes: maybe try Latin1 |
| 06:33.31 | Dewi | Demosthenes: which is at least a real locale |
| 06:33.39 | Dewi | (C is more a lack of a locale than anything) |
| 06:33.55 | Dewi | the eterm bug says |
| 06:33.55 | Dewi | LANG=en_US |
| 06:34.00 | Dewi | should work alright |
| 06:34.04 | Dewi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=184801 |
| 06:34.14 | Dewi | (severity wishlist since 2004) |
| 06:34.17 | Demosthenes | if i use Latin1, man complains |
| 06:34.32 | Arafangion | Should be able to recompile your man pages. |
| 06:34.32 | Demosthenes | Dewi: i was just reading that ;] |
| 06:34.41 | Dewi | speaking of man pages |
| 06:34.44 | Dewi | most of mine work |
| 06:34.50 | Dewi | but some still have that \f crap through them |
| 06:35.07 | Dewi | that's not a unicode thing, I don't think |
| 06:35.15 | Demosthenes | LANG=en_US works |
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| 06:35.31 | Demosthenes | the quoting issue is easy to see |
| 06:35.59 | Dewi | Demosthenes: well en_US is a locale where Latin-1 is the default charset encoding |
| 06:36.00 | Demosthenes | try exporting LANG=en_US and LANG=en_US-UTF8 and run man find |
| 06:36.07 | Dewi | I don't think LANG is meant to be literally Latin-1 |
| 06:36.11 | Dewi | ever. |
| 06:36.23 | Demosthenes | the first paragraph under options is foobarred in Eterm wit UTF |
| 06:36.46 | Dewi | Demosthenes: works for me with both |
| 06:37.00 | Dewi | Demosthenes: (although the quotes look less fancy in non-unicode mode) |
| 06:37.10 | Demosthenes | Dewi: in Eterm? ;] |
| 06:37.19 | Demosthenes | i bet its the fancy ones that show wrong for me |
| 06:37.22 | Dewi | Demosthenes: no, in a terminal that can do unicode. |
| 06:37.27 | Demosthenes | exactly ;] |
| 06:37.37 | Dewi | Demosthenes: just set lang to en_US, eterm will be expecting that |
| 06:37.43 | Demosthenes | yep, already done. |
| 06:37.46 | Demosthenes | thats for the input! ;] |
| 06:38.20 | Dewi | you're not the first to want to stay with eterm |
| 06:38.27 | Dewi | it's annoying that the bug mentions a possible patch |
| 06:38.33 | Dewi | that nobody has ever found again! |
| 06:38.34 | Demosthenes | fyi, my work style is incredibly simplistic... but works for me. enlightenment, no borders, no desktop, just 2 - 4 transparent Eterms w/o window handles/decor in fixed positions spread between multiple screens + desktops. |
| 06:39.00 | Arafangion | Nice, that works well. |
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| 06:39.07 | Demosthenes | i used to use 3 screens w/ xinerama, and manage 45 Eterm's across 4 virtual desktops and 9 screens each this way |
| 06:39.12 | Dewi | mine is stranger; I use mostly putty |
| 06:39.24 | Dewi | but I have no particular dislike of gnome-term or xterm |
| 06:39.26 | Demosthenes | all keys are bound, i don't touch the mouse unless i'm in firefox |
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| 06:39.35 | Demosthenes | Dewi: they didnt used to do transparency |
| 06:39.45 | Demosthenes | and i got Eterm working with OpenVMS at one point |
| 06:40.35 | Demosthenes | shift - arrows moves the mouse cursor, sloppy focus means where the mouse is has focus, random access task switching instead of an alt-tab stack, control - arrows changes screens, control-shift-arrow changes desktop... |
| 06:41.09 | Demosthenes | but then, everything i do is on the CLI, so all i want is terms ;] |
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| 06:41.48 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: I'd be happier with screen. |
| 06:42.01 | mr_daniel | I am working on reduce the power-consumption of my notebook |
| 06:42.03 | Dewi | ugh, I remember when everyone used that mouse thing, it used to drive me insane |
| 06:42.13 | mr_daniel | is there a command I can check how many watts my notebook is consuming at the moment? |
| 06:42.28 | Dewi | I just can't handle the idea that mouse cursor location actively affects things |
| 06:42.28 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: control-a is annoying when it conflicts with emacs, and screen used to be only vt100, and i logged into vt320 :P |
| 06:42.37 | wols | !tell mr_daniel about powertop |
| 06:42.55 | Demosthenes | Dewi: well, if i had to touch the mouse often, it'd be an issue ;] |
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| 06:43.19 | Dewi | Demosthenes: that must have been a while ago |
| 06:43.24 | mr_daniel | wols: thx for the suggestion, i will test powertop |
| 06:43.26 | Dewi | has been using the *mouse* in screen for years |
| 06:43.26 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: I dislike emac's contortions. |
| 06:43.43 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: emacs has its good and bad points. |
| 06:44.30 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: but if you're open minded, i consistently recommend org-mode as reason enough to learn emacs |
| 06:44.32 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: I'd agree, funnily enough, I seem to see a little bit of emacs in most IDE's today. |
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| 06:44.59 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: i've installed emacs on windows just to run org-mode |
| 06:45.12 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: That's what a palm pda is good for (though I badly need to send it in for a repair. :( ) |
| 06:45.28 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: pda = contacts, todo... != org-mode |
| 06:45.29 | owen1 | what's single-user mode, is it similar to safe mode in windows? |
| 06:45.35 | Arafangion | At work we use Jira, and Lotus, which work well enough, though they have issues too. |
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| 06:45.47 | Arafangion | owen1: Utterly different, but the same basic purpose. |
| 06:45.57 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: in emacs contacts = bbdb, todo lists are pale by comparison |
| 06:46.02 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: check out the site ;] |
| 06:46.06 | Arafangion | I am. :) |
| 06:46.31 | Dewi | !man aptitude fix |
| 06:46.32 | dpkg | man aptitude fix is, like, cd /usr/share/man/man8 && cp aptitude.8.gz aptitude-old.8.gz && zcat aptitude-old.8.gz | perl -pe 's#\ef([BR])#\\f$1#g'|gzip >aptitude.8.gz See also http://bugs.debian.org/438725; this bug is resolved in lenny. |
| 06:46.48 | Demosthenes | http://orgmode.org/ , http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9116 |
| 06:47.00 | Dewi | oh, it's an aptitude bug not a man page bug. That explains it. |
| 06:47.03 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: Seems rather interesting, but it should have screenshots. |
| 06:47.12 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: check the LJ article |
| 06:47.26 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: i maintain that it is worth learning emacs to use org-mode by itself |
| 06:47.33 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: or enough emacs to get by ;] |
| 06:47.48 | Dewi | owen1: a bit like that |
| 06:48.10 | Dewi | owen1: it basically stops the boot early |
| 06:48.43 | Dewi | owen1: and gives you a nice basic system for maintenance |
| 06:48.53 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: I'd sooner use markdown with custom folding. |
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| 06:49.18 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: thats only outlines |
| 06:49.32 | Dewi | Demosthenes: I keep meaning to give emacs a chance, why is it called org mode? |
| 06:49.33 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: the todo, properties, schedule, agenda all add up |
| 06:49.38 | Demosthenes | Dewi: its an organizer |
| 06:49.48 | Dewi | Demosthenes: oh you mean some organizer system for the emacs OS |
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| 06:50.03 | Demosthenes | Dewi: imagine a folding outline editor, where each header int he outline can be a todo, with scheduling and metadata (mileage, duration, etc) |
| 06:50.11 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: The LJ site doesn't appear to describe it adequately. |
| 06:50.24 | Demosthenes | i swear by it. i manage all my work for my clients in it, even six figure projects. |
| 06:50.29 | Dewi | Demosthenes: actually sounds like it might be okay |
| 06:50.36 | Dewi | Demosthenes: can you sort and filter? |
| 06:50.57 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: At work, we do everything with Jira, which works remarkably nicely. |
| 06:51.23 | Demosthenes | http://jaderholm.com/screencasts.html |
| 06:51.30 | Arafangion | Demosthenes: I don't use flash. |
| 06:51.43 | Demosthenes | Dewi: you can pull up an agenda of whats due, what was done when, etc. |
| 06:51.55 | kingsley2 | Which video cards have the best linux support? |
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| 06:52.01 | Dewi | Demosthenes: I use the web-based remember-the-milk these days |
| 06:52.36 | Arafangion | kingsley2: NVidia has a better opengl implementation, but I think ATI might be better if you're into dual desktops. |
| 06:52.40 | Demosthenes | nothing beats taking notes and dynamically making action items on the fly... scheduling them and not missing a beat... |
| 06:52.56 | Dewi | Demosthenes: web-based things have their advantages, but things I can do from screen are even easier to reach from anywhere |
| 06:53.07 | Arafangion | kingsley2: Don't forget that NVidia will "just work", once you've installed the commercial drivers, but ATI can require alot more stuffing around. |
| 06:53.11 | Dewi | Demosthenes: I'll check it out when I finally get around to trying to learn emacs |
| 06:53.34 | Dewi | Arafangion: in windows nvidia's dual desktop stuff is way superior to ATI's |
| 06:53.37 | Demosthenes | Dewi: org-mode is sufficient reason ;] |
| 06:53.39 | Arafangion | uses purpose-specific text files, and evolution these days. |
| 06:53.53 | Dewi | Arafangion: in linux, the nvidia driver at least allows multiple desktops, I don't know how featureful it is beyond that |
| 06:53.55 | infinitycircuit | kingsley2, if you have more than 3gigs of ram certain nvidia cards will not work without a lot of hacking |
| 06:53.58 | Arafangion | Dewi: I know nothing about windows nvidia, except that their virtual desktops are crap, but that's probably a windows limitation. |
| 06:54.09 | Dewi | Arafangion: it is. |
| 06:54.20 | Arafangion | Dewi: Multiple desktops are very useful when you do dev on one desktop, and debug the application or display documentation on the other. |
| 06:54.26 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Thanks. I'm not into dual desktops, and naturally I prefer easy set ups. |
| 06:54.40 | Demosthenes | new topic, any recommendations regarding disk encryption and hibernation? i've a laptop and i'm concerned that I want to encrypt my home LV, but want to reprompt passwd on resume from suspend (ram or disk) |
| 06:54.50 | Dewi | Arafangion: 2 screens is enough for me. If I need more space it means I have too many windows open and need to close some |
| 06:54.56 | Dewi | Arafangion: although maybe that's a pipedream |
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| 06:55.22 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, However, I seem to recall reading that ATI has an opensource driver, which might be a good thing. What do you think? |
| 06:55.24 | Arafangion | Dewi: It doesn't mean that you neccessarily have more windows open, it just means that rather than alt-tab'ing, you can display two windows simultaniously, which is very nice. |
| 06:55.30 | Dewi | Arafangion: I like the idea of task-separation on the desktop, but I've never gotten into it because all the windows implementations suck so much |
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| 06:55.42 | Dewi | Arafangion: you can do that with 2 monitors |
| 06:55.59 | Arafangion | kingsley2: They both have an opensource driver, but again, the nv one is easier to setup, while the ati one may or may not work. |
| 06:56.25 | kingsley2 | Didn't ATI release their specs? |
| 06:56.56 | kingsley2 | Why would one need 3 GB for an nvidacard to set up easily? |
| 06:56.57 | Demosthenes | Dewi: thats why i'm split across virtual screens and desktops, task separation... i used to ahve a VD per cluster... |
| 06:57.00 | Arafangion | Dewi: Ahh, I misunderstood. I tend to use only one of my virtual desktops, but the big difference between teh linux and windows implementations of virtual desktops is that linux displays a small snapshot of the desktop so that you can see which desktop has what programs without first checking it out. |
| 06:57.09 | Arafangion | kingsley2: What? |
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| 06:57.25 | Demosthenes | Arafangion: snapshots are WM specific and only if enabled, i kill them in E |
| 06:57.34 | hifi | how do I get a installed packages file list? |
| 06:57.46 | Dewi | Arafangion: the main annoyance in windows is that there is no API control over start menu order, and it tends to randomize when you switch. I find it intolerable |
| 06:57.55 | Arafangion | kingsley2: And btw, having an enormous and complicated spec and actually having an implementation of that spec are two entirely different things. |
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| 06:58.05 | hifi | og, h |
| 06:58.09 | Dewi | Arafangion: I think there might be implementations *somewhere* that have found a workaround but the vast majority of windows virtual desktops have the problem |
| 06:58.14 | Arafangion | Dewi: I find windows frustrating, end of story. |
| 06:58.14 | hifi | oh, got it |
| 06:58.29 | Dewi | Arafangion: oops, not start menu order, I mean the task bar |
| 06:58.30 | Arafangion | Dewi: I've even run out of windows handles last time I used nvidia's virtual desktops on windows. |
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| 06:58.42 | Dewi | Arafangion: nice |
| 06:59.14 | Arafangion | The thing is that I have a workflow pattern that linux supports very, very nicely, but windows is crap with. |
| 06:59.46 | Dewi | Arafangion: the main reason I prefer nvidia's driver applets is they don't crash all the time, and they let me assign a hotkey to shove windows to the other monitor instead of it being like 8 clicks |
| 06:59.47 | Arafangion | (For instance, linux has no issues at all loading 100 diff's in 100 windows, but windows, despite being named after the damn feature, has a big issue with loading 100 windows). |
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| 07:00.00 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Is my memory correct that ATI released the technical specifications of the internals of their cards? |
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| 07:00.02 | Arafangion | Dewi: Those little things are nice indeed. |
| 07:00.07 | Arafangion | kingsley2: I think so. |
| 07:00.16 | Arafangion | kingsley2: But I think nvidia has done that as well. |
| 07:00.28 | Dewi | Arafangion: oh, and little things like wallpapers panorama across monitors. |
| 07:00.33 | syntropy | Does anyone know if AMD ships their programming manuals like Intel does? |
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| 07:00.52 | Dewi | Arafangion: a lot more polished than the minimal ATI stuff |
| 07:01.01 | Arafangion | Dewi: I seriously couldn't care less about windows, except that I have to use it at work, with a single (but very large) screen. |
| 07:01.21 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Interesting. And you've been clear that nvidia's cards are easier to set up. |
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| 07:02.16 | Dewi | Arafangion: I remember when I got an ATI card they had things that said "Feature: driver now has a watchdog to restart when the GPU crashes out!" and I thought "err... that's necessary?". And sure enough, every few days you'd get black for 5 seconds while the GPU fell over and picked itself up again. That said, nvidia has crash problems 2. Nvidia is by far the number 1 source of BSODs in the world today |
| 07:02.51 | Dewi | blinks. Did I just say '2' instead of 'two'? My brain is actually melting as I sit here... |
| 07:02.57 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Someone wrote that 3GB are needed for nvidia's driver to be easy to set up, which surprised me. Do you happen to know if that's true? |
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| 07:03.03 | liable | amd have release chip register docs, nvidia refuse to. |
| 07:03.36 | Arafangion | Dewi: Such BSOD's could very easily be a driver, rather than hardware issue, and such issues could very well be a different story on linux. |
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| 07:04.07 | Arafangion | I currently use, and am very happy with my ATI card that my laptop uses. It used to be absolute crap, but since the merger, the drivers have become very good. |
| 07:04.17 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Which video vendor would you recommend now, in mid 2008, for a debian box? |
| 07:04.26 | gnunixguy | but the ATI opensource driver is still lightyears behind the features that nvidia has already in their drivers |
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| 07:04.48 | gnunixguy | or have they pretty much caught up now? |
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| 07:04.56 | gnunixguy | i been out of the loop for a few months |
| 07:05.16 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Is your laptop using a proprietary ATI driver? |
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| 07:05.34 | Arafangion | gnunixguy: I'd still recommend NVidia, because the prevailing opinion of opengl developers on linux (particularly the Wine community) say that their implementation is much better. |
| 07:05.36 | Arafangion | kingsley2: Yes. |
| 07:08.13 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, I notice that you recommend nvidia, even though ATI is working well for you. I can tell that you're a good observer. |
| 07:09.12 | Arafangion | kingsley2: If you're an administrator, nvidia's a nobrainer. :) The same driver supports practically all nvidia cards. |
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| 07:11.17 | Dewi | Arafangion: could be, yes. I just perceive that nvidia knows how to write decent software better than ATI. Which does seem kind of consistent with the linux experience. ATI gets props for being more open, though |
| 07:11.22 | Dewi | it's one of those awkward ones |
| 07:11.32 | gnunixguy | Arafangion: i was reading a blog entry today that basically said the nvidia driver uses a memory manager and bypasses the linux DRI/DRM, the ATI and intel implementations are going at it a different way, so direct rendering doesnt work correctly... basically the whole reason that AIGLX was created was because they didnt want a memory manager |
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| 07:12.22 | Dewi | kingsley2: I don't really use 3d in linux |
| 07:12.47 | Arafangion | gnunixguy: The linux DRI/DRM already bypasses stuff, so academically I don't really see the problem. |
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| 07:12.56 | Dewi | kingsley2: but with the non-free nvidia I could at least get multi-monitors |
| 07:13.34 | Arafangion | Dewi: Can you display video and opengl accel on both monitors? |
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| 07:14.03 | Dewi | Arafangion: unsure |
| 07:14.18 | Dewi | Arafangion: that doesn't always work even in windows |
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| 07:14.33 | Dewi | Arafangion: in windows some apps can do that and others can't |
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| 07:14.46 | Dewi | so it definitely depends what APIs are in use |
| 07:15.14 | kingsley2 | Dewi & Arafangion: I was originally planning to get an ATI card, but now that I have the benefit of your thoughts,I'mleaning toward yet another nvidia card. I hope adminstering it on an unstable box has become easier.I may just stick with the old nv driver. |
| 07:15.45 | Arafangion | kingsley2: Personally, I'd just get the cheapest nvidia card. |
| 07:16.15 | kingsley2 | New topic... |
| 07:16.59 | kingsley2 | Does anyone here happen to know how well SATA to IDE adapters work? I'd like to use IDE drives on a motherboard that has SATA ports. |
| 07:17.05 | Arafangion | How do I remove stuff from a .tar.bz2, without recompressing the entire thing? |
| 07:18.53 | kingsley2 | Arafangion, Perhaps you could find an answer by googling for bz2 and extract. |
| 07:18.54 | Dewi | how do I get man to regenerate a page and forget its cache? |
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| 07:19.27 | Dewi | Arafangion: you can't |
| 07:19.28 | gnunixguy | whats non-free nvidia? arent all their drivers free to download? |
| 07:19.43 | defrysk | free as in free speach |
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| 07:19.51 | defrysk | speech |
| 07:19.57 | gnunixguy | Ah, okay |
| 07:20.05 | defrysk | its free as in free beer |
| 07:20.09 | gnunixguy | so closed source=non-free |
| 07:20.16 | defrysk | jup |
| 07:20.19 | Dewi | Arafangion: or even if you sort of can, it's likely to affect the rest of the file after that point. A tar.bz2 is after all a tar file that has been compressed. |
| 07:20.40 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Perhaps your question regarding man can be answered by choosing good keywords for google. |
| 07:21.08 | Dewi | kingsley2: such as? |
| 07:21.16 | Arafangion | Dewi: Maybe I'll just split it using split. |
| 07:21.20 | Dewi | kingsley2: 'man' and 'cache' aren't really unique words |
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| 07:21.36 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Perhaps "man regenerate cache |
| 07:21.50 | kingsley2 | s/"// |
| 07:21.57 | Dewi | kingsley2: yeah, I'm getting every web page that mentions man pages as well as caches |
| 07:22.05 | maligor | kde 4.1 devels in sid now huh |
| 07:22.40 | Dewi | or men. |
| 07:23.12 | maligor | men pages? |
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| 07:23.59 | infinitycircuit | maligor, what do you mean? |
| 07:23.59 | Dewi | maligor: yeah |
| 07:24.06 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Something like dpkg -S $(dpkg -l | grep man | gawk '{print $2}') |grep bin |
| 07:24.24 | maligor | infinitycircuit, with what? |
| 07:24.30 | Dewi | kingsley2: wha? |
| 07:24.41 | infinitycircuit | oh nevermind |
| 07:25.39 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Basically, look for binary files in man package(s), and hopefully find the executable that maintains man's database, and learn how to make it not use. |
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| 07:26.06 | Dewi | kingsley2: I don't want it to not use it, I want it to correct it |
| 07:26.08 | kingsley2 | Dewi, I should have thought of this earlier, but "man man" may answer your question too. |
| 07:26.30 | Dewi | kingsley2: it doesn't |
| 07:27.05 | Dewi | -u looks like it does no more than check for corruptions |
| 07:27.12 | Dewi | and also warns I need setuid binaries or something |
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| 07:27.59 | kingsley2 | Dewi, Nonetheless, there should be an executable that maintains man's cache, possibly run by a cron job, and you might be able to run it manually with a certain option to do your bidding. |
| 07:28.34 | kingsley2 | needs to go soon... |
| 07:28.46 | Dewi | god, what is wrong with the people who build caches? It's like they expect them to work 100% of the time because they don't seem to bother adding easy ways to hint them to update |
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| 07:29.41 | Dewi | kingsley2: probably that cron job that emails me a bunch of man-related errors every month |
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| 07:34.13 | Dewi | maybe rm -rf /var/cache/ would solve all my problems |
| 07:34.16 | Dewi | bloody caches |
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| 07:43.37 | Dewi | how do I view a man page manually? |
| 07:43.57 | Dewi | bypassing all the automatic stuff. Right from the /usr/share/man/man8 file |
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| 07:46.10 | Zoup | do you know any way to scp an direcotry and exclude an directory inside that directory ? it might be a shell trick |
| 07:46.27 | MrBrush | Any intensive links users around? |
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| 07:47.03 | Dewi | Zoup: rsync is much more powerful than scp |
| 07:47.13 | Dewi | Zoup: easiest to use that when you need something advanced |
| 07:47.37 | Zoup | Dewi: you know , i was looking for this for many years , cp -r a directory while excluding something there ... |
| 07:48.02 | Dewi | Zoup: I even use rsync locally for stuff like that |
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| 07:48.16 | Zoup | Dewi: hehe , nice! thanks :) |
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| 07:53.13 | infinitycircuit | any thoughts on this new graphics card? |
| 07:53.14 | infinitycircuit | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102726 |
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| 07:53.32 | cast | i'd like a program to have the data in its version string, ive thought i can do that by using m4, date and editing my makefile, that the typical way of doing things? |
| 07:54.03 | gnunixguy | infinity, i'd go with something with a bit more processing power |
| 07:54.11 | gnunixguy | spend a few hundred and be happier longer :) |
| 07:54.38 | infinitycircuit | this is a core 2 quad with 4 gigs of ram so i'm willing to shell out a bit more |
| 07:54.54 | gnunixguy | get a 3870 or a 4850 then |
| 07:55.02 | cast | will get any use? or sit mostly idle all day like my 7600gt does :< |
| 07:55.14 | gnunixguy | im still running my 8800 gts 640mb i got at launch time |
| 07:55.17 | gnunixguy | g80 core |
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| 07:55.28 | gnunixguy | q6600/4gb ram |
| 07:55.47 | gnunixguy | debian 64bit :) |
| 07:55.49 | infinitycircuit | q9450 this thing runs like a beast |
| 07:56.05 | gnunixguy | hehe, i wanted more overclocking headroom, so went with the 6600 |
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| 07:58.31 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 07:58.33 | gnunixguy | Cast: my 8800 gets lots of use... i do a lot of gaming |
| 08:00.37 | lkthomas | if I want to let windowsxp client got their own personal directory when login to their account, what should do with Samba ? |
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| 08:01.25 | wols | lkthomas: [homes] |
| 08:01.38 | lkthomas | wols, what does active dir do then ?! |
| 08:01.55 | wols | try it out |
| 08:02.03 | lkthomas | sorry ? |
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| 08:02.15 | gnunixguy | brb |
| 08:03.17 | lkthomas | does samba be able to replace the whole M$ AD ? |
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| 08:05.20 | MrBrush | Is there some way of having tabs in Links? like there is in firefox? |
| 08:06.07 | enouf | crap, why would anyone buy an nvidia card to do 3D? you're supporting a company, with your wallet that chooses not to open-source their drivers ..so you fall almost as far down into the class of a bittorrenting illegal XPoop OS user .. |
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| 08:06.12 | wols | MrBrush: w3m |
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| 08:06.33 | enouf | erm, /when they do NOT want to do 3d/ |
| 08:06.47 | squisher | enouf, well, because that someone wants working 3d drivers now, not tomorrow unfortunately |
| 08:06.50 | wols | enouf: cause for 3D you had no real choice until now |
| 08:07.03 | enouf | please read my own corrections ;-) |
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| 08:07.15 | enouf | i originally mispoke |
| 08:07.20 | MrBrush | wols: w3m? |
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| 08:07.49 | squisher | enouf, :-) |
| 08:07.54 | enouf | it appeared that kingsley didn't need 3D .. or maybe i misunderstood |
| 08:07.57 | lkthomas | in the same time |
| 08:08.07 | lkthomas | does samba be able to be a domain controller ? |
| 08:08.13 | Arafangion | enouf: He didn't need 3D, but he appeared to /want/ 3D. |
| 08:08.24 | squisher | wishes a good night... |
| 08:08.27 | enouf | Arafangion: that's a vital point then |
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| 08:09.23 | doomster | greetings! |
| 08:10.10 | Arafangion | enouf: And I'd prefer to support the company that provided good drivers, than the one that only provided crap drivers because they were forced to - the openess of the ATI stuff is a very recent behaviour. |
| 08:10.11 | enouf | although - buy purchasing an ati card (or even via or intel or whatever), one would hope, as more and more people do, that, the open source 3D implementations would keep getting better and better |
| 08:10.44 | Arafangion | enouf: And as good as intel is with respect to opensource, the prevailing opinion, especially in wine, is that they are crap. |
| 08:10.50 | enouf | Arafangion: yes, i know how recent it is, but nvidia has also recently reaffirmed their position about NOT opening theirs |
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| 08:11.23 | enouf | Arafangion: well, i'm not sure, i'd look to wine as the deciding factor' |
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| 08:11.35 | enouf | after all, they are concerned about Windows things |
| 08:11.41 | Arafangion | enouf: Unfortunately they have valid reasons. In some ways this is similar to chipsets and cpu's. Why are you using an intel or amd based system, when it's only Sun that opensourced their Sparcs? |
| 08:12.00 | xingu | beats Arafangion up with a copy of appendix h |
| 08:12.08 | enouf | Arafangion: cost? |
| 08:12.15 | Arafangion | xingu: url? |
| 08:12.16 | doomster | I'm looking for a program that allows me to scan pages and manually or automatically convert them to text, but keeping both the original scan and the text |
| 08:12.44 | Arafangion | doomster: The keyword is ocr. |
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| 08:12.50 | xingu | aah, sunday, the perfect day for religious beard-strokery. |
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| 08:13.03 | Arafangion | xingu: That depends on religion. |
| 08:13.14 | Arafangion | xingu: Jews are saturday, and unless I'm mistaken, Muslims like fridays. |
| 08:13.37 | xingu | of the "emacs sucks use vi" variety (and as it applies to GLX) |
| 08:13.41 | enouf | Arafangion: nvidia may provide the best closed source drivers out of any competeting video card manu, but they also break every kernel upgrade |
| 08:14.03 | xingu | enouf: that's an interesting assertion |
| 08:14.10 | infinitycircuit | and some nvidia cards don't work at all with 4 gigs of ram |
| 08:14.17 | infinitycircuit | ...like the one i have right now |
| 08:14.19 | enouf | xingu: last i heard anyway ;-) |
| 08:14.24 | Arafangion | enouf: That is true, having said that, they are the easiest of the commercial drivers to install, in my opinion, so when you do your kernel upgrade, re-install the nvidia card and you're set. |
| 08:14.37 | Arafangion | infinitycircuit: Now, _that_'s a problem. |
| 08:15.13 | infinitycircuit | i was going to replace the terrible integrated graphics anyway but its frustrating that they dont work at all |
| 08:15.24 | enouf | Arafangion: indeed, they may have gotten pretty efficient at doing that - which also gives them an edge, but also plays into the "it's ok to use blobs so long as they're easy to use/install" |
| 08:15.53 | doomster | Arafangion: OCR, true, but do you know of a specific programm that allows me to get rid of all the paper on my desktop, preferably without loosing even non-textual information on it? |
| 08:16.17 | Arafangion | enouf: This pretty much boils down to a case of "where do you draw the line?". If you use any of the current wireless cards on linux, you're pretty much using binary blobs as it is, unless you choose to use OpenBSD. |
| 08:16.17 | xingu | infinitycircuit: there's patches on nvnews.net that force BAR's under the 4G mark which addresses most of the reported faults; have you been down that path? |
| 08:16.25 | infinitycircuit | yes |
| 08:16.27 | infinitycircuit | none work |
| 08:16.48 | Arafangion | doomster: This won't do OCR, but have you considered duvu? |
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| 08:16.56 | Arafangion | (Or was it djvu?) |
| 08:16.56 | infinitycircuit | but i am trying one more trick |
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| 08:17.03 | enouf | Arafangion: that is true as well - any many people don't like the wifi situation either - however, in that field, the FCC is a factor, is it not? |
| 08:17.17 | enouf | Arafangion: and yes, where does one draw the line |
| 08:18.07 | Arafangion | enouf: Arguably. |
| 08:18.33 | Supaplex | !lart FCC |
| 08:18.33 | dpkg | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up FCC |
| 08:18.58 | Arafangion | enouf: The wifi cards could've stored their own firmware, which would've sidesteped the legal issues. |
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| 08:19.32 | enouf | Arafangion: well, there's also a bit of diff between open sourced firmware, vs a pure binary blob isn't there? and, IINM.. Atheros based cards are open sourcing their firmware? or am i mistaken? |
| 08:19.33 | MrBrush | as a starting irssi user? |
| 08:19.34 | xingu | in short zealotry has a high opportunity cost; if you can afford it, great. |
| 08:20.44 | enouf | it's so hard to learn about computers and keep up on current zealous happenings O_o |
| 08:20.58 | doomster | Arafangion: djvu, thanks. |
| 08:21.14 | Arafangion | xingu: True, but to go against my arguments, you do have to admit that the zealotry, particularly with respect to Debian, has caused a large number of beneficial changes. |
| 08:21.24 | enouf | one is more and more legal mumo jumbo - and the other is ; overly complex gumbo :-P |
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| 08:21.27 | xingu | with luck the amd/ati situation will hasten nvidia's "plan b" - they've had what nearly two decades to develop one, I'm sure just as soon as they start losing market share they'll do something about it |
| 08:21.38 | Arafangion | doomster: I do warn you that I have not used it, but when I get myself a scanner, I'd like to try it. |
| 08:22.01 | xingu | personally I think nvidia on debian is a better pick than sgi on irix :) |
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| 08:22.25 | MrBrush | how to uninstall an app I installed with apt-get? |
| 08:22.25 | Arafangion | xingu: NVidia's probably got their hands full with the Microsoft issue, Microsoft was not entirely fair with respect to ATI vs NVidia, they basically gave ATI Vista on a silver plate. |
| 08:23.46 | xingu | Arafangion: dunno about that, nvidia's getting the squeeze the way that trumpet did when microsoft finally decided that IP was the way to go after all |
| 08:24.52 | xingu | Arafangion: nvidia finds themselves in the curious position of having a reality engine ii-in-a-can and a proprietry GL implementation; the free world doesn't want the latter and the commercial world would rather own their own. |
| 08:24.52 | enouf | and .. not that VIA is a huge player to worry about - they too have also released docs recently and plan to continue - atleast they are keeping their word too |
| 08:24.58 | Arafangion | Which trumpet? |
| 08:25.26 | wols | trumpet winsock |
| 08:25.34 | enouf | dammit, i can't find that silly page i was reading with all the Headlines and articles that Nyle gave me .. fuck |
| 08:25.36 | wols | and how did MS shaft nividia over vista? |
| 08:25.59 | wols | MrBrush: apt-get remove. |
| 08:26.00 | enouf | Nyle: you dumbass ... give me that page again, you weenie :-p |
| 08:26.02 | wols | !tell MrBrush about grounding |
| 08:26.11 | Supaplex | uhm, is this a debian takeover? dude, where's my linux? |
| 08:26.17 | xingu | wols: moved the goalposts at sp1; the nvidia gl stack runs on the wrong side of the kernel now. |
| 08:26.37 | wols | xingu: link? |
| 08:27.20 | Arafangion | xingu: Winsock is a bad example, though - having multiple slightly incompatible network dll's was insane. |
| 08:27.36 | xingu | having multiple binary blob implementations of directx/gl is insane |
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| 08:27.53 | Arafangion | xingu: True, but at least they're drop-in replacements for each other, at least. (In the most case) |
| 08:28.04 | MrBrush | wols: what did you mean with w3m, what is it |
| 08:28.53 | enouf | xingu: vista sp1? or xpoop sp1? oh, i guess directx10 and drm related? |
| 08:28.59 | wols | MrBrush: a package |
| 08:29.49 | xingu | wols: still fishing for a link for you, it'll take a bit; it basically comes down to "enhancements" in wdm |
| 08:29.50 | MrBrush | wols: I isntalled it |
| 08:30.05 | MrBrush | wols: how should it work with links now? |
| 08:30.11 | enouf | heh windows driver model .. :-p |
| 08:30.21 | wols | MrBrush: read its docs. it doesn't work with links |
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| 08:30.26 | MrBrush | wols: ok |
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| 08:32.11 | enouf | MrBrush: not sure what 'links' you are referring to, URLs? or the browser? but debian has 'links2' which is substantially more featured than 'links' was |
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| 08:34.58 | MrBrush | enouf: thanks, let me check |
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| 08:39.35 | MrBrush | enouf: can you name some important ones? |
| 08:39.45 | MrBrush | to me links2 looks kinda annoying compared to links |
| 08:39.48 | enouf | MrBrush: important what? |
| 08:40.03 | MrBrush | [4~ |
| 08:40.25 | MrBrush | 10:32 < enouf> MrBrush: not sure what 'links' you are referring to, URLs? or the browser? but debian has 'links2' which is substantially more featured than 'links' was |
| 08:40.38 | enouf | MrBrush: i use links2 -g all the time, (GUI) it'll run as GUI or Text only, in Console or in X |
| 08:41.01 | enouf | shakes head wildly |
| 08:41.14 | enouf | punches Nyle |
| 08:41.17 | MrBrush | well, you get a string "Link" before each <a> in links2 |
| 08:41.19 | MrBrush | which is annoying to me |
| 08:41.30 | enouf | what? not me |
| 08:41.56 | enouf | actually, i'm not sure what you're referring to ... |
| 08:42.02 | MrBrush | oh nvm, |
| 08:42.04 | MrBrush | only on w3.org |
| 08:42.05 | MrBrush | weird |
| 08:42.12 | enouf | !slap MrBrush |
| 08:42.13 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across MrBrush's face |
| 08:42.23 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:42.23 | MrBrush | is there some trick of directly jumping to a search field in links? |
| 08:42.41 | enouf | what search field? |
| 08:42.57 | enouf | read the docs man - yes knowing the keyboard shortcuts helps |
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| 08:43.14 | enouf | see Help >> Keys in the menu |
| 08:43.22 | enouf | (for a quick guide) |
| 08:43.39 | enouf | http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html for more details |
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| 08:44.52 | foobar8 | is there a tool similar to rsync but suitable for syncing block devices? special requirement is that it should only write to the destination if necessary (destination is a flash device) |
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| 08:46.33 | foobar8 | special bonus: source maybe a pipe |
| 08:47.14 | valdyn | foobar8: rsync does that |
| 08:47.27 | foobar8 | valdyn: rsync now accepts block devices? |
| 08:47.38 | valdyn | foobar8: uh? |
| 08:47.48 | valdyn | foobar8: a file is a file |
| 08:48.32 | valdyn | foobar8: the fact that it is coincidentally a block device backing that file does not matter |
| 08:49.06 | foobar8 | valdyn: rsync says: skipping non-regular file "loop0" |
| 08:49.12 | valdyn | foobar8: ah |
| 08:49.48 | foobar8 | valdyn: there once was a discussion to slightly modify rsync to allow it - but i think that never happened |
| 08:50.47 | valdyn | foobar8: i see, now thats stupid, rsync would just work fine if it would simply not check if its a block device |
| 08:51.35 | foobar8 | valdyn: and afair there are block devices that have some special restrictions? (raw devices for example?) |
| 08:51.58 | valdyn | foobar8: no idea, loop does not |
| 08:52.07 | foobar8 | valdyn: but i am only interested in block devices "behaving like files" |
| 08:53.15 | xingu | wols: looks like I've confused several things; vista rtm changed the rendering pipeline; sp1 only changed an implementation detail - memory management for directx; more detail on the vista pipeline here... http://www.opengl.org/pipeline/article/vol003_9/ in a pretty little graphic |
| 08:53.43 | xingu | wols: but thanks for making me go check anyway, I needed to refresh that neuron :) |
| 08:54.01 | foobar8 | valdyn: any ideas for keywords to search for? (i will try: dd sync, flash sync, block sync) |
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| 08:54.22 | valdyn | foobar8: im googling |
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| 08:55.06 | enouf | failed miserably at finding VIA releasing doc announcements, but i tortured myself by only searching through my thousands of bookmarks and clipboard buffer .. ugh |
| 08:55.22 | enouf | gos back to the traditional google route |
| 08:55.55 | enouf | foobar8: is loop0 mounted? (just curious) |
| 08:56.04 | foobar8 | enouf: no |
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| 08:56.44 | enouf | foobar8: could it be that all listed in /sys/block are ignored ? |
| 08:57.39 | foobar8 | enouf: afair rsync checks wether it is a block device and if so barfs |
| 08:58.02 | foobar8 | maybe i should just search for that proposed patch and apply it |
| 08:58.07 | enouf | (just trying to find a common thread of behaviour) .. and if there are hardlinks involved, as you know a loop device contains it's own file system if mounted ... AFAIK |
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| 08:59.05 | Nofear-Tn | hi all |
| 08:59.12 | Nofear-Tn | my box is working as a gateway how to stop it |
| 08:59.53 | hoxu | Nofear-Tn, shutdown -h now? ;) |
| 09:00.04 | hoxu | Nofear-Tn, what do you mean, it's forwarding packets? |
| 09:00.11 | Nofear-Tn | yes |
| 09:00.35 | Nofear-Tn | i want when i stop squid no one get internet |
| 09:00.36 | hoxu | !tell Nofear-Tn about ip forwarding |
| 09:01.02 | Nofear-Tn | yes but i need it to 1 as i make transparent squid |
| 09:01.28 | Arafangion | Nofear-Tn: Or setup the firewall such that everyone is forced to use proxies for everything. |
| 09:01.34 | Arafangion | (Which sucks) |
| 09:01.43 | foobar8 | i think ihave found that old thread: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2007-August/018294.html |
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| 09:02.40 | Nofear-Tn | how to do that Arafangion |
| 09:02.51 | Nofear-Tn | port by port ? |
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| 09:03.28 | foobar8 | and the patch is here: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/attachments/20070821/8ec029b8/copy-devices.bin |
| 09:03.36 | foobar8 | tries to apply it |
| 09:04.03 | hoxu | Nofear-Tn, source and destination rules accept "!" for addresses, man 8 iptables |
| 09:05.46 | Nofear-Tn | i think am going to reformat and start from scratch |
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| 09:09.07 | MrBrush | When you type 'C-a W' in screen you get the screen sessions listed at the bottom of the screen, this is only temp; how to get this permanent? |
| 09:09.57 | Dewi | MrBrush: make the timeout long |
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| 09:10.07 | MrBrush | don't think that's an option |
| 09:10.12 | MrBrush | I want it just when I started screen |
| 09:10.13 | Dewi | MrBrush: my .screenrc has msgwait 604800 |
| 09:10.39 | Dewi | MrBrush: but it gets wiped when screen tries to say anything else to you |
| 09:10.45 | wols | xingu: thanks |
| 09:11.05 | Dewi | MrBrush: oh, did you say bottom of the screen? you don't really want it covering your final row |
| 09:11.40 | Dewi | MrBrush: you can get it in the window title instead with: hardstatus on |
| 09:12.20 | lkthomas | guys, when people said files could only be access via webdav not samba, what does it means ? |
| 09:12.48 | MrBrush | Dewi: yep |
| 09:12.48 | MrBrush | sec |
| 09:13.00 | wols | lkthomas: that you need webdav, not samba to access them? |
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| 09:13.23 | lkthomas | 1. do I need to install client program to access webdav ? |
| 09:13.37 | MrBrush | Dewi: hardstats on is set in screenrc |
| 09:13.37 | soulchild | hi all,... is there a good video plugin for firefox 3 ? |
| 09:13.38 | MrBrush | and now? |
| 09:13.38 | lkthomas | 2. is there have any problem if those files is very large with webdav ? |
| 09:13.43 | Dewi | lkthomas: every protocol needs a client. But windows has webdav and SMB/CIFS clients built in |
| 09:13.46 | Dewi | lkthomas: if that's what you're asking |
| 09:14.04 | lkthomas | OH ?! windows already builtin webdav ?! |
| 09:14.05 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:14.12 | lkthomas | didn't know that |
| 09:14.14 | enouf | well, i give up, but this starts the announcement thing i was talking about with VIa and open sourcing their 3D chipset drivers http://www.aselabs.com/singlenews.php?id=4532 |
| 09:14.24 | Dewi | lkthomas: in windows webdav mappings are called 'web folders' |
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| 09:14.30 | lkthomas | I see |
| 09:14.35 | Dewi | lkthomas: webdav isn't really a replacement for SMB/CIFS though |
| 09:14.36 | lkthomas | start from win98 already supported ? |
| 09:14.41 | Dewi | lkthomas: yeah, since win98 |
| 09:14.42 | lkthomas | why so ? |
| 09:15.03 | lkthomas | why is it not a replacement of samba ? |
| 09:15.03 | Dewi | lkthomas: they are at different levels. WebDAV isn't a filesystem |
| 09:15.26 | lkthomas | does it matter ? |
| 09:15.27 | Dewi | lkthomas: It's some extra commands for HTTP that makes it able to do more stuff, so it can be represented like a filesystem, but it's not a full network FS |
| 09:15.54 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:16.08 | soulchild | Is there no mplayer plugin for firefox 3 ? |
| 09:16.11 | Dewi | I just doubt WebDAV is as transparent or fast on a LAN |
| 09:16.23 | wols | Dewi: and CIFS is? *g* |
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| 09:16.27 | Dewi | over the internet, however, WebDAV tends to work better than SMB/CIFS |
| 09:16.36 | Dewi | wols: hehe :) |
| 09:16.37 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 09:23.18 | foobar8 | the rsync patch works but it sees it only allows the source to be a block device |
| 09:23.29 | foobar8 | ~s/sees/seems/ |
| 09:23.30 | milligan_ | I'm having some problem compiling mythstream on debian. Anyone in here done it before, and could assist me a little ? |
| 09:23.40 | wols | !tell milligan_ about errors |
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| 09:26.40 | BW^- | i need to dump local outgoing http traffic, what util does that best ? |
| 09:26.52 | BW^- | i cannot make the software use a web proxy i think |
| 09:26.54 | milligan_ | My bad. Let me rephrase. First error: http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1215336425 . I have found the q3process.h file in /usr/include/qt4/Qt/q3process.h .. but it doesn't look like that dir is being used? |
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| 09:28.01 | foobar8 | BW^-: wireshark or tcpdump |
| 09:28.06 | Eulex | milligan_, -I/usr/include/qt3 -- it tries to look in the qt3 directory. |
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| 09:28.38 | zxxd | why is iceweasel in sid rc2 ? |
| 09:28.40 | Eulex | g++ would need to be called with -I/usr/include/qt4/Qt or -I/usr/include/qt4, depending on how the actual include is done |
| 09:29.00 | milligan_ | Eulex, yeah, I noticed that .. and I don't understand why. I'm following this install guide: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/howto/mythstream_install.html#compile .. I have all the prerequisities.. and I tried setting the QTPATH variable.. but it doesn't make any changes it seems. |
| 09:29.01 | Eulex | zxxd, because there are no differences between 3.0 and 3.0rc2, rc2 was simply rebranded to be the final. |
| 09:29.22 | Eulex | milligan_, you should ask the mythstream guys |
| 09:29.28 | foobar8 | BW^-: or just redirect outgoing http traffic to your web proxy (using netfilter) |
| 09:29.31 | milligan_ | Trying to |
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| 09:29.55 | Eulex | milligan_, in any case, if you set QTPATH, did you set it for ./configure? |
| 09:29.59 | foobar8 | BW^-: i think that is called "transparent web proxy" |
| 09:30.18 | milligan_ | Eulex, I just set it for the console session... QTPATH=...;export QTPATH |
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| 09:30.39 | Eulex | did you re-run ./configure after setting it? |
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| 09:30.46 | MrBrush | some strange way I move the messages I get in screen like "No other window" to the title of my window |
| 09:30.50 | MrBrush | can I fix this that it comes back in the screen window again? |
| 09:30.58 | Eulex | it is common that such stuff is picked up through ./configure |
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| 09:31.18 | milligan_ | Eulex, I ran qmake somefile.pro .. then make. |
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| 09:32.32 | Eulex | milligan_, hmm, oh right, qt stuff would use qmake... sorry, I have no idea how that work. I was giving advice from an automake perspective. |
| 09:32.43 | doomster | Eulex: e.g. "CFLAGS=-Os ./configure" picks up and remembers that variable, like it does with CPPFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS at least. |
| 09:32.55 | milligan_ | Oh, I managed to get a bit further .. thanks anyway :) |
| 09:33.15 | Eulex | doomster, right, but that doesn't really help if there is no ./configure |
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| 09:33.47 | Eulex | milligan_, you could also ask in some qt or kde related channel. or try setting CXXFLAGS before running make, to see if it affects it. |
| 09:34.30 | tingle | !wireless |
| 09:34.31 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 09:34.52 | tingle | sorry should have done that in query :x |
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| 09:38.06 | tingle | how can i get my wireless card to work the chipset is 3945ABG |
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| 09:38.14 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 09:38.15 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 09:38.25 | tingle | wols: awsome thanks |
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| 09:39.24 | enouf | Eulex: is the XX im CXXFLAGS a variable, or designed to represent C++ flags? and doesn't the option of -l/path/to/lib for gcc, actually need to point to an actual lib? otherwise use -L/path/to/where-libs/are , no? |
| 09:39.58 | enouf | s/im/in |
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| 09:40.17 | Eulex | enouf, CXXFLAGS is for C++, and we were talking about -I, not -l :) |
| 09:40.27 | enouf | man ... sheesh :-P |
| 09:40.35 | Eulex | fix your font ;P |
| 09:40.37 | enouf | silly non-fixed fonts ;-) |
| 09:40.45 | tingle | !mediakeys |
| 09:40.46 | enouf | Eulex: thanks |
| 09:40.52 | Eulex | :) |
| 09:40.59 | tingle | !hotkeys |
| 09:41.08 | tingle | hm |
| 09:41.09 | Eulex | !tell tingle about msg the bot |
| 09:41.17 | enouf | !tell tingle -about keymap |
| 09:41.41 | enouf | tingle: http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
| 09:41.44 | Eulex | tingle, if you want to search the factoids in dpkg's db, use listkeys or listvalues, but please /msg dpkg if so. |
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| 09:42.27 | enouf | !tell tingle -about multimedia keys |
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| 09:43.58 | tingle | enouf: thanks for all the hints and information i got it working |
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| 09:44.44 | enouf | tingle: np ;-) |
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| 09:46.34 | zefab | Hi guys. Any of you would know why my system doesn't halt anymore from kde ? It changed a few weeks ago and it seems kdm does'nt stop (ie, if I log on tty and just stop kdm, shutdown processus goes on and the system halts). |
| 09:46.54 | flower | I'm searching for a good guide to build (real time) kernels |
| 09:47.04 | enouf | flower: :-P |
| 09:47.13 | flower | enouf, :P |
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| 09:47.54 | enouf | flower: iinm, ubuntu distributes rt kernels, go try them O_o |
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| 09:48.14 | Eulex | or at least perhaps take a peek at their configs |
| 09:48.27 | enouf | flower: then, learn about kernel options and building in the meantime |
| 09:48.45 | flower | enouf, can I use a ubuntu kernel with debian? |
| 09:48.46 | shyam_k | hi i was hearing from our college network admin that virus attacks on gnu based servers are not negligible..is there anything true in that? |
| 09:49.24 | gnunixguy | are not negligible or are negligible? |
| 09:49.38 | Eulex | flower, you can, but it is solely on your own risk. |
| 09:49.56 | enouf | flower: i can't recommend that ;-) <wink> |
| 09:50.09 | shyam_k | gnunixguy: he said,he finds virus often in servers that protection against that is required |
| 09:50.30 | pumpkin0 | shyam_k: there are always some incompent admins that leave holes open. And there are always people using these holes to get a free server for ... whatever. |
| 09:50.35 | flower | Eulux, what is the risk... you can always remove it not? |
| 09:50.59 | flower | Eulex, |
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| 09:51.12 | enouf | flower: that said, b/c i'm more concerned about your well being and such, it wouldn't be a bad option to for you to just install ubuntu - see how it goes - but please do NOT ask for ubuntu support here ;-) |
| 09:51.19 | gnunixguy | i dun know about finding viruses in nix machines.... |
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| 09:52.04 | Eulex | flower, as ubuntu != debian, it may do anything, like breaking apt, making your system unbootable, triggering a local earthquake etc etc |
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| 09:52.22 | flower | Eulex, mmh |
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| 09:53.07 | milligan_ | Eulex, do'h. Been messing with this stuff for two days now .. and doing a proper google, I found a .deb that did a great job >.< |
| 09:53.25 | Eulex | milligan_, :) |
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| 09:55.58 | flower | what is a *.udeb package? |
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| 09:56.25 | flower | http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/stable/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/ |
| 09:57.03 | Eulex | a debian package made for use by the installer |
| 09:57.18 | flower | Eulex, which installer? |
| 09:57.24 | Eulex | the debian installer |
| 09:57.41 | flower | Eulex, can i install it with dpkg -i ? |
| 09:57.52 | pehlert | Hey folks. In lenny you deprecated postgresql-8.1 in favor of 8.3 but there is no postgis package for 8.3 available.. Does that make any sense? |
| 09:58.43 | gnunixguy | i didnt deprecate it.... |
| 09:59.19 | Eulex | flower, I doubt it, although I've never researched the possibility of installing a udeb with dpkg... |
| 09:59.31 | Eulex | !udeb |
| 09:59.31 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 10:00.19 | Eulex | hmm, from that description it sounds like it might be possible, but I would be very careful in doing so... |
| 10:00.30 | flower | Eulex, ok |
| 10:01.26 | shyam_k | hmm.. the whole campus network here works on gnu (some fedora,some debian and some mandriva) and they are now trying for an aggrement with m$..we are protesting ...they says pretty foolish things like openoffice is slow and all:) this about server was the latest:) thanks pumpkin0 gnunixguy |
| 10:01.43 | liable | flower: those udebs are only used by the installer. no help after installation. |
| 10:01.48 | f00li5h | mew? |
| 10:02.32 | liable | gah, its freezing here atm. |
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| 10:02.59 | pumpkin0 | shyam_k: You can always find a flaw in any software. Any money can help finding these flaws quicker and it even can sometimes make new flaws ... |
| 10:03.33 | foobar8 | is rdiff in lenny broken or do i miss something? my test script: http://paste.debian.net/9464/ |
| 10:05.27 | gnunixguy | shyam, I dont knwo what to say... sounds like someone got bit by the MS Money bug... |
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| 10:08.11 | shyam_k | yeah they are playing usual out of the cort game.. like offering to help college get deemed university status and all.. |
| 10:08.20 | foobar8 | ups - forget the rdiff think - my fault |
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| 10:10.20 | cast | hah. viruses are a nonissue foo sure. if it is an issue for someone, "you're doing it wrong" comes to mind |
| 10:10.34 | cast | shyam_k: pretty cool that your campus runs gnu/linux currently. |
| 10:11.56 | shyam_k | yeah one of our prof fought for years to get that.. |
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| 10:12.05 | shyam_k | internet is available only in gnu |
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| 10:12.57 | cast | i imagine the majority of the gnu/linux installs at my campus have been setup by me in some way :> but christ is it a windows shop |
| 10:13.31 | cast | the university IT group was willing to help use build a cluster...if we installed windows on it |
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| 10:14.30 | Fiskah | How can I find out what folder my shell script is located in? |
| 10:14.42 | cast | pwd in the script? |
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| 10:14.46 | Eulex | where did you save it? |
| 10:14.48 | cast | oh no.. |
| 10:14.50 | cast | hides |
| 10:15.33 | cast | ahh use $0 perhaps |
| 10:15.41 | foobar8 | enouf, valdyn: okay it seems one can sync block devices with a minimal amount of writes using rdiff |
| 10:16.10 | cast | is failing badly...ill be quiet now |
| 10:17.53 | Fiskah | cast: Thanks... Problem is that the name of the script is on aswell... How do I filter that when I don't know the name of the script file? |
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| 10:18.39 | Eulex | Fiskah, basename |
| 10:18.50 | pumpkin0 | Fiskah: pwd is the current working directory, not the dir your script is saved in. |
| 10:18.52 | cast | #bash is a pretty good place to find good answers, i can only give random guesses |
| 10:18.58 | Fiskah | pumpkin0: I know :) |
| 10:19.18 | trifler | Is there a way to change the senstivity of the mouse in like a terminal? |
| 10:19.19 | rsk | how can i re-sign my releaskey? |
| 10:19.25 | pumpkin0 | Fiskah: and you could call pwd directly: /bin/pwd |
| 10:19.47 | rsk | lemme pastebin it |
| 10:19.48 | shyam_k` | oh cable problem.. did my message with a pointer to fsdaily reached here/ |
| 10:19.52 | shyam_k` | ? |
| 10:20.08 | rsk | http://pastebin.ca/1063705 |
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| 10:20.35 | Bushmills | Fiskah: you can't reliably |
| 10:21.25 | rsk | where do i start to work araound this? |
| 10:21.45 | Bushmills | partly because there are no provisions for it because shel scripts may come from non-local storage, where a path to it does not apply |
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| 10:22.30 | Eulex | rsk, upgrade your debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:22.45 | rsk | Eulex: how? |
| 10:22.57 | Eulex | uh, you upgrade the package? |
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| 10:23.07 | Eulex | if you already have the latest one, you've got a broken mirror there. |
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| 10:23.34 | rsk | ok broken mirror then |
| 10:23.48 | ripdisk | i really need help, every time i try to update to lenny, it gives me a post installation script error and says error 1 |
| 10:24.11 | Eulex | !errors |
| 10:24.11 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 10:24.26 | Bushmills | Fiskah: assuming script is in a dir in PATH, you could locte it with WHERE=$(which $0) |
| 10:24.47 | ripdisk | Eulex, i'm not sure where the file is that contains the errors for this particular thing |
| 10:24.55 | enouf | foobar8: without the patch you mentioned? |
| 10:24.58 | ripdisk | i'm kind of a noob with debian |
| 10:25.14 | cast | i asked before but...how should i embed the build time of my program in it? it's in FORTRAN, i can think of a few ways, but i'm sure theres a common way thats better than what i can think up [m4, sed s/] |
| 10:25.30 | Eulex | ripdisk, there's no file, the error is what you got when you ran the command you were running |
| 10:26.07 | ripdisk | i can't show you because you can only run that update from a console without x |
| 10:26.29 | enouf | !tell ripdisk -about pastebin pipe |
| 10:26.47 | Eulex | ripdisk, that's no reason, scroll, select and copy the error in question. or use enouf's solution. |
| 10:26.58 | foobar8 | enouf: yes with rdiff (not rsync!) |
| 10:27.57 | enouf | foobar8: sweet - thanks for the info - i was looking over the dirvish docs and found a refernece only to the rsync an page and symlinks concerning that exact "non-regular" file error |
| 10:28.09 | enouf | s/an/man |
| 10:28.18 | ripdisk | but i've rebooted from then |
| 10:28.25 | Eulex | then run the command again |
| 10:28.34 | foobar8 | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/9465/ |
| 10:28.36 | ripdisk | ok |
| 10:28.38 | Eulex | foobar8, I guess you need to use the same fs on both then? |
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| 10:28.39 | ripdisk | hold on |
| 10:28.43 | ripdisk | it has to download all of the updates again |
| 10:28.50 | Eulex | it doesn't |
| 10:28.50 | ripdisk | this is going to take awhile |
| 10:29.00 | Eulex | ... if you didn't clean the cache |
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| 10:29.20 | enouf | foobar8: cool |
| 10:29.26 | foobar8 | Eulex: no - working on block device |
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| 10:32.30 | moshisushi | hello i have a little question about this howto: http://chirale.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/netgear-wg111-on-debian-lenny-with-ndiswrapper/ |
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| 10:32.59 | testi | I want fusesmb to scan only on a certain interface. How is that possible? |
| 10:32.59 | moshisushi | when running lsusb i see this row: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0846:4260 NetGear, Inc. |
| 10:33.03 | moshisushi | which doesn |
| 10:33.27 | moshisushi | doesn't mention the model of the usb adaptor |
| 10:33.37 | moshisushi | (like it does in the howto) |
| 10:33.54 | flower | should I enable preemptible RCU: enable priority boosting of RCU read-side critical sections, when building a rt kernel? |
| 10:34.03 | flower | http://pastebin.com/m4fb90c1e |
| 10:34.21 | wols | moshisushi: it does. the USB ID will |
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| 10:35.04 | maligor | 4260 WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B] |
| 10:35.51 | wols | !rtl8187 |
| 10:35.51 | ripdisk | Eulex, http://paste.debian.net/9466/ |
| 10:35.51 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24> |
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| 10:36.15 | Eulex | ripdisk, look further up |
| 10:36.33 | maligor | 8187B seems to be different tho |
| 10:36.41 | ripdisk | where |
| 10:36.41 | Eulex | ripdisk, that just says "something went wrong when trying to install these packages". get us the real errors. |
| 10:36.43 | maligor | http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ |
| 10:36.52 | maligor | might be in 2.6.25 tho, can't say |
| 10:37.02 | ripdisk | there are too many |
| 10:37.05 | ripdisk | spread out |
| 10:37.17 | wols | !tell ripdisk about errors |
| 10:37.47 | Eulex | ripdisk, dpkg told you about pastebin pipe. try using it. |
| 10:37.54 | ripdisk | http://paste.debian.net/9467/ |
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| 10:38.38 | foobar8 | enouf: there was some typo - fixed version: http://paste.debian.net/9468/ |
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| 10:38.51 | ripdisk | Eulex, that's as far up as i could go |
| 10:38.55 | Eulex | ripdisk, what command did you run? |
| 10:39.10 | enouf | foobar8: well, i wasn't really using it for anythign ;-) |
| 10:39.12 | ripdisk | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:39.12 | enouf | but thanks |
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| 10:40.30 | foobar8 | just if anybody is wondering ... additional test script http://paste.debian.net/9469/ |
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| 10:40.55 | foobar8 | is just happy now |
| 10:41.09 | ripdisk | Eulex, should i have typed something else? |
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| 10:41.23 | sylvain | Hello, I updated from lenny to sid by replacing lenny by si in surce.list, and now in the console I get : Debian GNUL/Linux lenny/sid myhostname tty1. |
| 10:41.33 | sylvain | Why is there still a reference to lenny ? |
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| 10:41.45 | moshisushi | wols: ok.. it looks like the module is loading fine, but i never get a wlan0 interface.. anything i might have missed? |
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| 10:42.28 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.37 | wols | -sa |
| 10:42.46 | Eulex | sylvain, because packages are automatically moved from sid to lenny when they're ready, there's no way to modify a package when it enters testing |
| 10:43.16 | Eulex | sylvain, so the file what says what version of debian you have must say thay you're running either unstable or testing. |
| 10:43.23 | Eulex | *that |
| 10:43.26 | cast | Irssi 0.8.12 (20071006) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 10:43.30 | Eulex | otherwise it would lie. |
| 10:43.30 | cast | erm, oops. |
| 10:43.50 | ripdisk | Eulex, how do i install those deps |
| 10:43.57 | ripdisk | isn't there a way to tell aptitude to do it |
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| 10:44.53 | pehlert | Hey folks, is there any chance to backport postgresql-8.3-postgis from sid to lenny? |
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| 10:45.44 | sylvain | Eulex: ok. Other question, why replaicing lenny by sid in the security source (deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:45.53 | sylvain | ) doesn(t work |
| 10:45.57 | sylvain | the source is not found |
| 10:46.10 | Eulex | ripdisk, it should be doing it by itself, but you could try upgrading the packages one by one. |
| 10:46.15 | Eulex | sylvain, because there is none. |
| 10:46.20 | ripdisk | man |
| 10:46.23 | ripdisk | that's bullcrap |
| 10:46.29 | ripdisk | why is it just not working properly |
| 10:46.32 | ripdisk | it's a fresh install |
| 10:46.40 | sylvain | but why was it working with lenny? |
| 10:46.53 | Eulex | ripdisk, because there is one for lenny :) |
| 10:47.04 | sylvain | there are security updates fir lenny? |
| 10:47.10 | Eulex | yep |
| 10:48.02 | Eulex | ripdisk, lenny means testing, and thus not stable. you might also try doing an aptitude upgrade before aptitude dist-upgrade, but it's probably too late for that now |
| 10:48.27 | Eulex | sylvain, security updates for sid comes right into the sid repos. you should know this if you run sid. |
| 10:48.51 | sylvain | and the first line # deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main is always commented, how does it know where to fetch sid free packages? |
| 10:49.20 | ripdisk | Eulex, the only reason i have to upgrade to lenny is because i was told earlier it's the only way to get my ati driver |
| 10:49.38 | Eulex | sylvain, can you paste your full sources.list? |
| 10:49.42 | Eulex | ripdisk, what ati card? |
| 10:49.55 | ripdisk | it's an intergraded one |
| 10:50.00 | Eulex | which one? |
| 10:50.06 | ripdisk | radeon xpress or something hold on |
| 10:50.08 | sylvain | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 10:50.08 | ripdisk | what's that command |
| 10:50.10 | sylvain | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 10:50.10 | ripdisk | lspci right? |
| 10:50.18 | sylvain | these are the only uncommented lines |
| 10:50.34 | Eulex | sylvain, that's enough. and please use a pastebin next time. |
| 10:50.37 | Eulex | ripdisk, yes. |
| 10:51.00 | ripdisk | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP] |
| 10:51.14 | sylvain | Ok, final question, why should I have done aptittude upgrade, wasnt apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient? |
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| 10:51.29 | ripdisk | i need a driver that supports direct rendering |
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| 10:53.04 | sylvain | Eulex, why should I have done aptittude upgrade, wasnt apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient? |
| 10:53.27 | Eulex | ripdisk, I believe fglrx-driver in etch is supposed to be able to handle that card. no need to use a newer. |
| 10:53.36 | ripdisk | yeah but |
| 10:53.38 | ripdisk | with direct rendering? |
| 10:53.40 | Eulex | sylvain, sometimes, a dist-upgrade is not sufficient. |
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| 10:54.09 | Eulex | ripdisk, I'm not sure, but it should. |
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| 10:54.18 | ripdisk | then why isn't it working |
| 10:54.19 | ripdisk | lol |
| 10:54.42 | sylvain | Eulex: I don't understand why. Isn't apt-get at least as powerful as aptitude? Why could it be not sufficient? |
| 10:55.09 | Eulex | sylvain, I advice reading the etch installation manual, about how to upgrade from sarge to etch. |
| 10:55.20 | Eulex | ripdisk, I have no idea. did you read the xorg logs? |
| 10:55.37 | Eulex | anyway, bbl |
| 10:55.39 | ripdisk | it's not an xorg problem |
| 10:56.09 | ripdisk | it's the game i run |
| 10:56.14 | ripdisk | it says i don't have direct rendering |
| 10:56.18 | ripdisk | and that's the problem |
| 10:56.22 | ripdisk | so i wanted to update to the new driver |
| 10:56.24 | ripdisk | but i can't |
| 10:56.27 | ripdisk | because the update won't work |
| 10:56.28 | wols | ripdisk: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 10:56.45 | ripdisk | command not found |
| 10:56.48 | ripdisk | i use the flgrx i think |
| 10:57.09 | wols | !tell ripdisk about install it |
| 10:57.18 | wols | !tell ripdisk about installit |
| 10:57.29 | ripdisk | couldn't you just have told me to install it |
| 10:57.50 | wols | I just did |
| 10:58.44 | ripdisk | man |
| 10:58.51 | ripdisk | now i don't know what to set my sources.list ot |
| 10:58.55 | ripdisk | i don't know if it upgraded or not |
| 10:59.03 | ripdisk | don't know if i should use etch or lenny for the sources.let |
| 10:59.05 | ripdisk | list* |
| 10:59.06 | wols | from what did you start? |
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| 10:59.12 | ripdisk | etch |
| 10:59.17 | wols | then set it to that |
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| 11:01.27 | ripdisk | uh ok |
| 11:01.38 | ripdisk | i installed it but it says the command is not found still |
| 11:01.49 | hoxu | !errors |
| 11:01.50 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 11:01.57 | pehlert | Hey folks |
| 11:02.11 | wols | ripdisk: what did you install exactly? what package? |
| 11:02.38 | pehlert | Is it correct that .7 does not support String#first anymore? |
| 11:02.44 | ripdisk | i just typed aptitude glrxinfo |
| 11:02.47 | pehlert | "foo".first |
| 11:02.47 | pehlert | NoMethodError: undefined method `[]' for #<Enumerable::Enumerator:0xb78ca3e0> |
| 11:02.50 | ripdisk | er |
| 11:02.52 | ripdisk | glxinfo |
| 11:03.09 | wols | ripdisk: do you EVER read what aptitude tells you? |
| 11:03.17 | wols | hint: it gave you an error |
| 11:03.43 | hoxu | pehlert, what on earth are you speaking about? |
| 11:04.02 | wols | hoxu: some script language. %deity knows which |
| 11:04.16 | pehlert | hoxu.. Shit, sorry :D |
| 11:04.20 | pehlert | Wrong channel |
| 11:04.32 | hoxu | wols, yeah, apparently it's some scripting language which maybe had a package with version .7 ;) |
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| 11:04.57 | ripdisk | Regenerating fonts cache... /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.postinst: line 45: 278 19 Segmentation fault fc-cache -s -f -v >/var/log/fontconfig.log 2>&1 |
| 11:04.57 | ripdisk | failed. |
| 11:04.57 | ripdisk | See /var/log/fontconfig.log for more information. |
| 11:04.57 | ripdisk | done. |
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| 11:05.10 | ripdisk | didn't think it was too big sorry |
| 11:05.17 | hoxu | ripdisk, /msg dpkg paste |
| 11:05.27 | ripdisk | 19 Segmentation fault fc-cache -s -f -v >/var/log/fontconfig.log 2>&1 |
| 11:05.27 | ripdisk | failed. |
| 11:05.30 | ripdisk | it was only two lines |
| 11:05.34 | ripdisk | didn't mean to select it all |
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| 11:11.19 | ripdisk | wols, so what's that mean |
| 11:11.26 | Internat | so, in all honesty, how much better is dovecot to courier, in terms of an imap server and with server side filtering capabilities |
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| 11:12.16 | ripdisk | nevermnd |
| 11:12.18 | ripdisk | found the package |
| 11:13.26 | ripdisk | wol, diskbox:/etc/apt# glxinfo |grep direct |
| 11:13.26 | ripdisk | direct rendering: No |
| 11:13.26 | ripdisk | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 11:14.03 | Eulex | ripdisk, did you look at your xorg logs yet? |
| 11:14.28 | ripdisk | no, the error was given to me from the game itself |
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| 11:14.39 | ripdisk | it says that direct rendering wasn't working |
| 11:14.43 | ripdisk | but where are the logs anyway? |
| 11:14.54 | Eulex | right. and Xorg.0.log will very likely tell you why. |
| 11:14.57 | Eulex | /var/log/ |
| 11:16.17 | ripdisk | II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 11:16.39 | Eulex | that's a symptom, not a cause. |
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| 11:17.16 | kexman | hello |
| 11:17.22 | kexman | anyone good with iptables conntrack ? |
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| 11:17.50 | hoxu | kexman, ask the real question |
| 11:17.53 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 11:17.54 | dpkg | ask-to-ask is probably Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 11:18.00 | kexman | udp 17 57 src=82.137.56.166 dst=255.255.255.255 sport=1043 dport=5200 packets=11 bytes=539 [UNREPLIED] src=255.255.255.255 dst=82.137.56.166 sport=5200 dport=1043 packets=0 bytes=0 use=1 mark=0 |
| 11:18.04 | ripdisk | ok |
| 11:18.05 | ripdisk | i found it |
| 11:18.08 | kexman | i have that in my /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 11:18.16 | kexman | and its gets renewed every 4seconds |
| 11:18.24 | kexman | and it wont degreade and dissapear |
| 11:18.26 | kexman | what can i do ? |
| 11:18.30 | kexman | i even banned that ip !!! |
| 11:18.32 | kexman | still nothing |
| 11:18.56 | ripdisk | http://paste.debian.net/9470/ |
| 11:18.57 | ripdisk | 5h343 |
| 11:19.02 | ripdisk | there* |
| 11:19.31 | wols | kexman: so what is port 1043? and 5200? |
| 11:19.32 | enouf | 5h343 <-- wtf? 1337 keys? |
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| 11:19.53 | ripdisk | sorry |
| 11:19.59 | ripdisk | my fingers were misplaced |
| 11:20.07 | enouf | owhay aboutway isthay igpay atin?lay ouyay eenieway :-P |
| 11:20.22 | Eulex | ripdisk, 1. what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg output (2) is the fglrx module loaded? (lsmod) |
| 11:20.22 | kexman | wols: i have no idea. i see that on my router. i dont have those ports open |
| 11:20.51 | wols | kexman: is your router a debian box? |
| 11:20.58 | ripdisk | diskbox:/etc/apt# lsmod |grep fglrx |
| 11:20.58 | ripdisk | diskbox:/etc/apt# |
| 11:21.32 | ripdisk | so how do i load that module |
| 11:21.46 | wols | Eulex: answer eulex first |
| 11:21.59 | kexman | wols: its a linux box but not debian |
| 11:22.19 | kexman | but tought i ask in here since i like debian :) |
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| 11:22.32 | wols | kexman: then you are in the wrong channel. please ask your distro's channel |
| 11:22.35 | zleap | hi |
| 11:22.38 | kexman | and since this is a matter of netfilter/iptables |
| 11:22.45 | ripdisk | oh and Eulex |
| 11:22.47 | ripdisk | xserver-xorg: |
| 11:22.47 | ripdisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.47 | ripdisk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.50 | kexman | wols: okay |
| 11:22.51 | kexman | see ya |
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| 11:23.57 | Eulex | ripdisk, so your xserver is upgraded to the one from testing. that may not play well with an fglrx from stable. what does dpkg -l|grep fglrx output? what kernel are you running? |
| 11:24.56 | ripdisk | http://paste.debian.net/9471/ |
| 11:25.22 | ripdisk | idk what kernel i'm running |
| 11:25.39 | Eulex | uname -ar to find out |
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| 11:25.59 | ripdisk | Linux diskbox 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:26.02 | ripdisk | but uh |
| 11:26.06 | ripdisk | i havn't rebooted |
| 11:26.10 | ripdisk | since i tried to upgrade |
| 11:26.33 | Eulex | ripdisk, can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy fglrx-driver too? |
| 11:26.46 | ripdisk | i did i thought |
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| 11:27.05 | enouf | ripdisk: weren't you the kid that was going to do thye dist-upgrade to lenny? |
| 11:27.11 | Eulex | no, that was dpkg -l|grep fglrx |
| 11:27.23 | ripdisk | http://paste.debian.net/9472/ |
| 11:27.42 | Eulex | ripdisk, fglrx-driver |
| 11:27.51 | Eulex | not xserver-xorg |
| 11:28.08 | Bushmills | can somebody with an athlon xp 2400+ (2000 MHz) please paste me the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 11:28.15 | enouf | Eulex: last night, someone in here told him to add sid sources, run update, install the xserver-xorg-video-ati, then change it back to Etch |
| 11:28.40 | Eulex | enouf, ... and did he get kicked and banned? |
| 11:28.44 | enouf | i spoke up and said that was not good advice |
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| 11:29.00 | ripdisk | http://paste.debian.net/9473/ |
| 11:29.16 | enouf | no, i think it was ignorance - no ops were around either - and he did try to help after a bit |
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| 11:30.11 | enouf | but the only way forward is upgrade to testing, IMHO , but this ripdisk claims, he had just tried that the night before all this, and it broke, so he says - that's all i know |
| 11:30.17 | Eulex | ripdisk, ok. I'm curious where you got the 8.471-1 version of that driver. in any case, you have no kernel driver for fglrx built (you need one for direct rendering), and you have a system that is broken and half etch and half lenny. |
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| 11:31.20 | ripdisk | so what should I do first |
| 11:31.35 | enouf | Eulex: and the X stuff from sid, don't forget ;-) |
| 11:31.44 | enouf | or .. whatever' |
| 11:31.57 | dutchfish | i think it is eeasier to install from scratch |
| 11:32.16 | enouf | he claims he did, just prior to shoing up |
| 11:32.21 | enouf | shwoing* |
| 11:32.23 | enouf | gah |
| 11:32.24 | Eulex | enouf, haven't seen any evidence of any sid stuff yet, 1:7.3+12 is in testing too |
| 11:32.32 | enouf | showing* |
| 11:32.47 | enouf | Eulex: i see, perhaps the libc6 version wouldn't allow that far of an upgrade |
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| 11:33.09 | enouf | Eulex: maybe this kid lied and only added lenny, not sid |
| 11:33.10 | enouf | who knows |
| 11:33.22 | Eulex | ripdisk, what does apt-cache policy libc6 output? |
| 11:33.55 | DeltaS4 | anyone already had problems adding the wastebasket applet to a panel on lenny? |
| 11:34.06 | ripdisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.14 | enouf | Eulex: aha! http://pastebin.com/m33d9d977 |
| 11:34.24 | enouf | Eulex: from right after everything broke ;-) |
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| 11:34.43 | enouf | Eulex: note the username ;-) |
| 11:35.57 | Eulex | ripdisk, where did you get your fglrx driver from? fglrx-driver 8.471-1 has never been in debian. in any case, I recommend a clean install. and come in here to get advice on how to get the fglrx driver working on etch. |
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| 11:36.42 | enouf | Eulex: i believe ripdisk was told that in order to play the specific game he wanted to play, that he'd need fglrx or xorg ati from sid |
| 11:36.43 | ripdisk | oh man |
| 11:36.53 | enouf | which game ripdisk ? |
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| 11:36.59 | ripdisk | urban terror |
| 11:37.28 | enouf | just upgarde to testing already .. i stil have your dmesg , lsmod, lspci, IINM |
| 11:37.31 | dutchfish | maybe he is better of with a clean install with lenny? |
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| 11:38.02 | ripdisk | this makes me sad |
| 11:38.12 | ripdisk | then i have to tinker with ndiswrapper again |
| 11:38.34 | enouf | ripdisk: actually .. now that i tracked back to your orig error, i'd have to sift through many pastebins to find those - so repost those |
| 11:38.38 | enouf | right |
| 11:38.45 | enouf | i saw that in your dmesg |
| 11:38.50 | enouf | ndiscrapper |
| 11:39.00 | enouf | for yur broadcom wifi |
| 11:39.08 | ripdisk | yeah |
| 11:39.10 | enouf | but you have a wired broadcom too on eth0 |
| 11:39.29 | ripdisk | yes |
| 11:39.58 | enouf | ripdisk: just that - you really need to be forthcoming with information to get good help - it doens't help you or us |
| 11:40.09 | bolt | I put in a new 200 gig drive in this machine, and I want to move and upsize the partitions on the current 40 gig drive to the 200 one and remove the 40 one. Is there a simple way to do this? |
| 11:40.18 | enouf | se all this wasted time we had to use to rehash last night's events? |
| 11:40.27 | enouf | i'm moving on now |
| 11:40.34 | ripdisk | ok |
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| 11:41.07 | ripdisk | and there's no way for me to repaste the other ones |
| 11:41.10 | ripdisk | i don't log |
| 11:41.35 | ripdisk | at any rate |
| 11:41.39 | enouf | ripdisk: sure, you can grab them again now |
| 11:41.40 | Dundreary | bolt,afaik you can try cfdisk |
| 11:41.42 | ripdisk | where can i get the lenny netinstall |
| 11:41.54 | ripdisk | it's ok, i will just install fresh |
| 11:42.03 | enouf | ripdisk: i was asking for those logs, in case you ran into issues during upgrade |
| 11:42.19 | ripdisk | which ones exactly? |
| 11:42.26 | ripdisk | just tell me what files to paste |
| 11:43.21 | enouf | [from last night, i wrote amongst other things] ripdisk: the /topic shows /msg dpkg etch->lenny ripdisk: i don't want to break your system .. but if you need newer versions of software, there's no easy way, especially no without more knowledge |
| 11:43.35 | dutchfish | bolt, partimage is another option |
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| 11:44.02 | enouf | [also] ripdisk: ok, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade (both as root or sudo) ... if you want, you should close out X, and do this all from Console (tty) |
| 11:44.42 | ripdisk | yeah i did all of that |
| 11:44.44 | ripdisk | it never finished |
| 11:45.09 | ripdisk | i don't know where that log is kept or whatever |
| 11:46.24 | enouf | ripdisk: Bookmark these save to file , whatever -- http://pastebin.com/m501d2173 <-- lsmod http://pastebin.com/m2b3ab8eb <--lspci http://pastebin.com/m629b93f0 <--dmesg |
| 11:46.45 | ripdisk | but i'm going to do a clean install |
| 11:46.47 | enouf | i expect hugs and kisses now ;-) |
| 11:46.54 | enouf | no, upgrade |
| 11:46.57 | enouf | learn something |
| 11:47.01 | enouf | fix the shit man |
| 11:47.06 | ripdisk | but i have no idea |
| 11:47.08 | ripdisk | at all |
| 11:47.10 | ripdisk | and it's just pissing me off |
| 11:47.19 | enouf | you just repeat your ndiswrapper stuff |
| 11:47.25 | ripdisk | yeah i can do that |
| 11:47.26 | enouf | but in Lenny mode |
| 11:47.32 | enouf | !ndiswrapper |
| 11:47.32 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:47.41 | enouf | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 11:47.41 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules |
| 11:47.46 | enouf | done |
| 11:47.50 | ripdisk | i dno't need help with ndiswrapper |
| 11:47.57 | enouf | O_o |
| 11:48.04 | ripdisk | what are you talking about dude |
| 11:48.06 | ripdisk | you're confusing me |
| 11:48.09 | enouf | so why were you earlier mentioning that? |
| 11:48.15 | enouf | what? |
| 11:48.23 | ripdisk | because it took me awhile to get it working last time i installed |
| 11:48.32 | ripdisk | and i have to set it up again when i get lenny |
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| 11:48.42 | enouf | so? |
| 11:48.42 | ripdisk | that's all i'm saying |
| 11:48.45 | ripdisk | yeah i know |
| 11:48.46 | enouf | do it |
| 11:48.47 | ripdisk | just forget it |
| 11:48.49 | ripdisk | i'm going to |
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| 11:48.56 | ripdisk | where the heck is the lenny netinstall |
| 11:49.04 | wols | ripdisk: why? |
| 11:49.07 | enouf | the Lenny Beata 2 installer might break yuo worse |
| 11:49.11 | wols | install etch, and upgrade |
| 11:49.20 | ripdisk | wols |
| 11:49.21 | enouf | i mean, not work, and/or be broken |
| 11:49.26 | ripdisk | that's what got nme in this situation the first time |
| 11:49.29 | ripdisk | i am on etch |
| 11:49.32 | ripdisk | and i tried to upgrade |
| 11:49.39 | ripdisk | and it frucked up everything |
| 11:49.40 | enouf | when? |
| 11:49.45 | ripdisk | TODAY, man |
| 11:49.46 | enouf | 2 night ago |
| 11:49.49 | enouf | try again |
| 11:49.52 | ripdisk | i did |
| 11:49.55 | ripdisk | i just tried today |
| 11:49.58 | enouf | what broke? |
| 11:49.58 | ripdisk | it does not work |
| 11:50.04 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 11:50.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:50.17 | ripdisk | half of my stuff is lenny and th eother half is etch |
| 11:50.19 | ripdisk | it never finished |
| 11:50.23 | enouf | no |
| 11:50.26 | enouf | do it again |
| 11:50.34 | enouf | remove the etch lines |
| 11:50.46 | ripdisk | ..what? |
| 11:50.56 | enouf | pastebin your sources.list |
| 11:50.59 | ripdisk | no |
| 11:51.01 | ripdisk | dude |
| 11:51.03 | enouf | fuck you |
| 11:51.04 | ripdisk | i did all of that |
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| 11:51.12 | ripdisk | i switched it all to lenny |
| 11:51.19 | Maulkin | What is the output of 'dpkg -l libc6' please? |
| 11:51.25 | Maulkin | (Just the last line) |
| 11:51.40 | ripdisk | i followed the instructions |
| 11:51.45 | ripdisk | and it just didn't work |
| 11:51.45 | Eulex | Maulkin, 2.7-10 I believe it was |
| 11:52.01 | enouf | you are now officially plonked into my b0z0 box - congrats |
| 11:52.16 | Maulkin | Eulex: so actually running lenny then. Ok. |
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| 11:52.25 | ripdisk | i already did everything you told me to do and it doesn't work, enouf |
| 11:52.29 | ripdisk | i switched everything to lenny |
| 11:52.29 | Eulex | Maulkin, well, partly he is |
| 11:52.46 | ripdisk | :/ |
| 11:52.51 | Maulkin | Oh dear. |
| 11:53.01 | Maulkin | ripdisk: What, exactly, isn't working? |
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| 11:53.29 | ripdisk | all i wanted to do was play a game |
| 11:53.33 | ripdisk | i wanted DRI |
| 11:53.46 | ripdisk | so someone told me to upgrade |
| 11:53.47 | ripdisk | and i tried |
| 11:53.52 | ripdisk | and it halfway upgraded |
| 11:53.56 | Eulex | he posted a loooooong list of errors that he got when dist-upgrading before |
| 11:55.52 | ripdisk | man |
| 11:55.53 | Maulkin | Urgh |
| 11:55.59 | ripdisk | i really gotta go to bed now |
| 11:56.04 | ripdisk | this is frustrating me and i have a headache |
| 11:56.07 | Maulkin | Right, ripdisk, your system is quite broken |
| 11:56.16 | ripdisk | i didn't even do anything to break it |
| 11:56.20 | ripdisk | that's what's pissing me off |
| 11:56.30 | Maulkin | ripdisk: the easiest thing to do is to backup your data and re-install. Can you do that? |
| 11:56.37 | ripdisk | yes i can |
| 11:56.42 | ripdisk | but i just did last night |
| 11:56.50 | ripdisk | and then tried to upgrade again this morning |
| 11:56.53 | ripdisk | and it was the same crap |
| 11:56.56 | ripdisk | as last tme |
| 11:56.56 | Maulkin | ripdisk: yes you did, but let's move on from that. |
| 11:57.08 | Maulkin | Please don't swear at me. |
| 11:57.19 | ripdisk | what? |
| 11:57.31 | ripdisk | where did i say a swear word? |
| 11:57.34 | Maulkin | 12:56 < ripdisk> and it was the same crap |
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| 11:57.42 | ripdisk | are you serious? |
| 11:57.46 | Maulkin | Very |
| 11:57.58 | ripdisk | oh gosh |
| 11:58.36 | Maulkin | Right, now please backup your important data, and reinstall Etch. Once we've reached a clean system, we can look at moving you on to lenny if this is needed. |
| 11:59.05 | Arafangion | Cya, about to logout so that I can fix my /home without a complete reboot. |
| 11:59.08 | ripdisk | well |
| 11:59.13 | ripdisk | instead i'm going to go to sleep |
| 11:59.27 | ripdisk | because it's 5 in the morning |
| 11:59.37 | Maulkin | Nah. it's 1pm :) |
| 11:59.39 | ripdisk | but i'm still really weirded out about that crap thing |
| 11:59.50 | ripdisk | it's not even a word that can be directed at anyone |
| 11:59.56 | ripdisk | how can it be offensive? |
| 12:00.09 | zxxxd | is there no amd64 xen kernel for debian? |
| 12:00.11 | ripdisk | especially in the context i used it in? |
| 12:00.23 | Arafangion | ripdisk: Swear words are /highly/ cultural dependant. |
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| 12:00.53 | ripdisk | i wouldn't know, i don't leave my bedroom |
| 12:01.10 | enouf | !tell zxxxd about pdo |
| 12:01.21 | Maulkin | Yes it can. You were degrading thw work done by many people trying to ensure a smooth upgrade path. But this is off topic. Just make sure you keep it clean, there could be kids in here. |
| 12:01.50 | Maulkin | If you have futher comments on channel policy, please head over to #debian-ops |
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| 12:02.20 | Arafangion | Maulkin: On the other hand, we /do/ have Australians here... ;) |
| 12:02.24 | ripdisk | you should smoke pot, kinda seem a little tense |
| 12:02.52 | Maulkin | ripdisk: is there anything else we can help you with? |
| 12:02.59 | liable | Maulkin: um, stopping people swearing has never been a channel policy. |
| 12:03.13 | liable | as long as its not abusive |
| 12:03.15 | Arafangion | liable: Shh! |
| 12:03.26 | ripdisk | i'm just saying |
| 12:03.27 | enouf | liable: shhh! :-P |
| 12:03.48 | ripdisk | that's what's wrong with the world, everyone's always so concerned with what everyone else is doing and not themselves |
| 12:03.48 | liable | must have missed something |
| 12:04.00 | ripdisk | oh well |
| 12:04.03 | gnunixguy | you should try the language in some of the other distro channels i've been in.... |
| 12:04.28 | gnunixguy | ripdisk: i say F them all! I'll do what I want :D |
| 12:04.29 | enouf | I need to apologize to all the channel for swearing and ad hominen, but i got tired of the trolling - apologies folks, i'll work on it .. |
| 12:04.37 | Maulkin | liable: channel guideline #5? |
| 12:04.50 | liable | Maulkin: full link? |
| 12:04.57 | gnunixguy | anyway |
| 12:05.02 | Maulkin | liable: in the topic |
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| 12:05.23 | ripdisk | THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YOU GUYS |
| 12:05.31 | ripdisk | jeez |
| 12:05.59 | Arafangion | ripdisk: Many of my friends would consider that worse than the f-word. |
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| 12:06.18 | Arafangion | ripdisk: Many /other/ people here would consider the capitalisation worse than the f-word. |
| 12:06.19 | gnunixguy | i have a quick question about a line or two in my Auth.log: sshd[2350]: Did not receive identification string from 220.132.69.27 |
| 12:06.30 | liable | Maulkin: hmm, where is it? |
| 12:06.39 | Maulkin | liable: http://wiki.debian.org/PoundDebianGuidelines |
| 12:06.47 | Arafangion | gnunixguy: Does that mean that the connection was aborted before logging in? |
| 12:06.49 | gnunixguy | does that mean they didnt get past the login name? |
| 12:06.55 | ripdisk | well if i have to take into consideration what's offensive to everyone else, they've all gotta take into consideration of what's not offensive to me |
| 12:06.59 | gnunixguy | arafangion, i dunno :( |
| 12:07.13 | Arafangion | gnunixguy: Test it! (telnet's perfect for that) |
| 12:07.25 | gnunixguy | i have a few lines where they tried misc usernames and got denied |
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| 12:07.35 | liable | Maulkin: as i said, as long as its not abusive. swearing is not neccesarily impolite |
| 12:08.10 | ripdisk | i swear man |
| 12:08.14 | ripdisk | if i reinstall again |
| 12:08.18 | ripdisk | and the same thing happens |
| 12:08.22 | ripdisk | i'm going to just give up |
| 12:08.27 | ripdisk | just use gentoo or something idk |
| 12:08.37 | gnunixguy | arafangion: youre a freaking genious!!!! |
| 12:08.40 | Arafangion | liable: I /might/ go as far as suggesting that some minimal swearing might be beneficial - we are sans body language, after all, and they do provide some measure of demonstrating frustration/interest/surprise/etc. |
| 12:08.43 | gnunixguy | telnet on port 22 gives that error |
| 12:08.58 | liable | Arafangion: indeed |
| 12:09.13 | Arafangion | gnunixguy: I'm a software engineer, to me a problem doesn't exist until it's testable. |
| 12:09.32 | ripdisk | i'm going to sleep now |
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| 12:09.37 | enouf | liable: quick pm? |
| 12:09.42 | liable | and i thought freenode isnt official anyway. dont see why a debian wiki page is really anything to do with it |
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| 12:10.00 | liable | enouf: please, if it will help explain this conversation i am having |
| 12:10.03 | gnunixguy | aye arafangion |
| 12:10.07 | Maulkin | liable: Read the top of that page |
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| 12:12.31 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying install lenny (netinst) on a Toshiba U400 laptop. But it can't find ethernet card(Marvell Yukon 88E8040T) driver. Is there anything I can do? |
| 12:12.42 | DawnLight0 | hello folks. is there anything to consider when copying a debian installation from one machine to an identical one? |
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| 12:16.00 | DawnLight0 | !tell redrain about linux-laptop |
| 12:17.24 | doomster | anyone here with xinerama in the mood for trying out a tool I wrote? |
| 12:17.38 | gnunixguy | HAX! |
| 12:18.02 | doomster | o_O |
| 12:18.02 | pumpkin0 | DawnLight: dd works fine, but change the IP before connecting it to the net. |
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| 12:18.41 | doomster | DawnLight: and the SSH host key |
| 12:19.07 | doomster | hostname, bootloader settings |
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| 12:19.22 | DawnLight0 | can i answer all debconf questions in preseed? |
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| 12:19.24 | infostar | i from spain |
| 12:19.42 | doomster | buenas! |
| 12:19.46 | pumpkin0 | DawnLight: there is no debconf if you do dd. |
| 12:19.59 | DawnLight0 | pumpkin0: i am thinking about preseed |
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| 12:21.18 | infostar | i have any simple log how to create beatifaul report????? |
| 12:21.18 | wouterrr | does anyone here know something about exim? |
| 12:21.19 | DawnLight0 | i am trying to automate the installation process of a debian that will be installed many times on the same hardware, with the selling of new computers |
| 12:21.36 | DawnLight0 | !tell wouterrr about anyone |
| 12:22.00 | xand | DawnLight0: image the harddisk |
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| 12:22.19 | wouterrr | alright. i have configured exim to use virtual domains. if i try to send email through localhost it works. if i send from another host to the mailserver i get: relay not permitted. |
| 12:22.28 | wouterrr | why is this happening? |
| 12:22.31 | pumpkin0 | DawnLight: if the boxes are 100% the same: image is way faster. |
| 12:23.05 | buntfalke | is there an easy way to switch an i386 installation into a amd64 installation? |
| 12:23.10 | DawnLight0 | wouterrr: you have to specify the relayed hosts |
| 12:23.21 | pumpkin0 | buntfalke: yes: reinstall. |
| 12:23.35 | buntfalke | hehe |
| 12:23.36 | wouterrr | DawnLight0: hum, what do you exactly mean? I can't add all ip-addresses of other smtp servers to that list |
| 12:23.46 | wouterrr | DawnLight0: or do you mean something else? |
| 12:24.03 | buntfalke | Is there an easy way to reinstall a system to end up with exactly the same package set in the end? |
| 12:24.13 | wols | "debian clone |
| 12:24.15 | DawnLight0 | buntfalke: you'll have to reinstall. you can save the current package list using 'aptitude search' |
| 12:24.17 | wols | !debian clone |
| 12:24.17 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 12:24.35 | DawnLight0 | wouterrr: why can't you? |
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| 12:24.58 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 12:25.09 | DawnLight0 | wols: this method has problems, like not working if you have bpo packages |
| 12:25.21 | DawnLight0 | buntfalke: ^ |
| 12:25.40 | wouterrr | DawnLight0: eh, i just want to send an email to a user on my system. When i send an email from my computer using the ISP smtp server i get relay not permitted. You are saying that i should add the domain which i configured my mta for to the relayed host list? |
| 12:25.51 | buntfalke | bpo packages? "binary package only"? |
| 12:26.18 | buntfalke | one should add that info to the bot then |
| 12:27.02 | buntfalke | !aptitude clone |
| 12:27.02 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 12:27.19 | DawnLight0 | wouterrr: do you really need an MTA when you're using the ISP's smtp? |
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| 12:27.54 | buntfalke | !reinstall |
| 12:27.55 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 12:28.04 | buntfalke | seems like i got all the information together now :-) |
| 12:29.32 | DawnLight0 | bb shortly |
| 12:29.35 | shyam_k` | hi anybody tried viewing pagemaker format pmd in debian? |
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| 12:30.13 | DawnLight0 | shyam_k`: try the wikipedia article on that format, if it exists. there is also a website that lists file formats and programs to run them |
| 12:30.15 | shyam_k` | i tried karchiver open office etc.. none seems to recognize that format.. |
| 12:30.33 | mitziyahu | I just installed debain using DVD-1.rc3 and X cannot load |
| 12:30.37 | shyam_k` | yeah saw that.. a list of equivalent softwares.. |
| 12:30.38 | mitziyahu | monitor not found |
| 12:30.42 | mitziyahu | what is this ? |
| 12:31.01 | mitziyahu | I have dell inspiron 1520 |
| 12:31.12 | mitziyahu | how come the monitor not found |
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| 12:31.54 | wols | mitziyahu: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 12:32.02 | Eulex | mitziyahu, are you getting the error message "no screens found"? |
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| 12:35.37 | mitziyahu | when I start debian it tries to load X several time and when it failed I get this kinda gui error and said no monitor found |
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| 12:35.55 | zxxxd | mitziyahu, i guess you should plug a monitor |
| 12:36.02 | zxxxd | just kidding |
| 12:36.07 | mitziyahu | okay :) |
| 12:36.24 | zxxxd | maybe it's referring to monitor entry in xorg.conf |
| 12:36.39 | zxxxd | Section "Monitor" |
| 12:36.40 | marvo1 | probably a problem in the xorg.conf |
| 12:37.17 | mitziyahu | i will check that later and back to ask questions |
| 12:37.17 | shyam_k` | DawnLight: searched a bit,couldnt find a wiki page on that format.. but there is a lott of confusing other format with audio and some other java program and all:) |
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| 12:37.28 | balasyum | hi |
| 12:37.33 | balasyum | how to do debian netboot? |
| 12:38.01 | wols | !pxe |
| 12:38.01 | dpkg | methinks pxe is Preboot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 Also ask about <gPXE>. |
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| 12:39.24 | balasyum | thank you |
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| 12:39.56 | Miroku-Sama | Hey Does debian have repos for non-oss software like mp3 and the like? |
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| 12:41.27 | r00txc | hi |
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| 12:42.04 | shyam_k` | Miroku-Sama: afaik mp3 only have some patent problem and it should be ok to use the free software mp3 players outside the countries having software patents..and debian have a non-free section may be to store unpartable things like this.. |
| 12:43.18 | shyam_k` | Miroku-Sama: see debian-multimedia.org if you are looking for patent encumbered nasty formats;-) |
| 12:43.21 | liable | !tell Miroku-Sama -about debian-multimedia |
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| 12:44.14 | Miroku-Sama | ok thanks guys. |
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| 12:45.23 | Miroku-Sama | What is the ideal Install version right now? |
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| 12:46.13 | wols | Miroku-Sama: etch |
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| 12:46.30 | wols | !tell Miroku-Sama about dmm |
| 12:46.41 | docmax | hello, can anyone help me with CYRUS IMAP Server? |
| 12:47.03 | wols | !tel docmax about ask |
| 12:47.13 | wols | !tell docmax about ask |
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| 12:49.03 | Miroku-Sama | Are all three dvds in i386 necessary for installing debian? |
| 12:49.15 | wols | no |
| 12:49.16 | liable | no |
| 12:49.36 | rbw | docmax: well, ask your question and we'll see.. |
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| 12:50.06 | Miroku-Sama | which one do I need then? I'm confused. |
| 12:50.23 | wols | only one |
| 12:50.32 | wols | the first. or a 150MB netinst ISO |
| 12:50.51 | Miroku-Sama | ok thanks again. |
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| 12:51.16 | pumpkin0 | Miroku-Sama: If you have internet access during installation => netinstall ISO. It's the best way. |
| 12:51.58 | Miroku-Sama | I think I agree lol. |
| 12:52.40 | docmax | i installed cyrus imap server. its also running. when connecting the log says: |
| 12:52.47 | Miroku-Sama | 4r3 is best right? |
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| 12:53.12 | docmax | debian cyrus/imap[7605]: badlogin: debian.local [192.168.1.109] plaintext docmax SASL(-13): user not found: checkpass failed |
| 12:53.28 | wols | docmax: which cyrus? 21 or 22? |
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| 12:53.47 | pumpkin0 | Miroku-Sama: etch for endusers, lenny for on-the-edge and it may fail users and sid for it will fail, but it is fun users. |
| 12:53.56 | docmax | 22 |
| 12:54.11 | wols | docmax: have you created a cyrus docmax account? |
| 12:54.20 | docmax | why? |
| 12:54.29 | wols | cause you need one |
| 12:54.30 | docmax | i alereade have a mailbox |
| 12:54.35 | docmax | already |
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| 12:54.48 | wols | answer me: did you create a cyrus docmax account? |
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| 12:54.52 | docmax | no |
| 12:54.56 | wols | then do it |
| 12:55.27 | docmax | do i have to assing the user to my user mailbox? |
| 12:55.31 | wols | cyrus does not use system accounts |
| 12:55.42 | docmax | but i want this |
| 12:55.43 | wols | docmax: where are the files for your user mailbox? |
| 12:56.00 | docmax | /var/mail/user |
| 12:56.06 | wols | cyrus will not use those |
| 12:56.12 | docmax | ooohhh no |
| 12:56.30 | docmax | where does cyrus store the mails? |
| 12:56.50 | docmax | i need a imap server which uses system mailbox |
| 12:56.53 | rbw | wols: wrong, cyrus can use pretty much any type of authentication |
| 12:56.57 | wols | actually no decent imap server does. how would you do mailfolders in /var/mail/user? |
| 12:57.03 | wols | rbw: we are not talking about auth |
| 12:57.04 | rbw | docmax: depends on your cyrus configuration. |
| 12:57.10 | wols | we are talking about how it stores mails. |
| 12:57.35 | docmax | rbw, how can i setup cyrus to use system accounts? |
| 12:58.55 | docmax | i want this scenario: loggin in with user01 i want to see all mails from /var/mail/user01 |
| 12:59.17 | docmax | user02 /var/mail/user02 and so on |
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| 12:59.18 | wols | dovecot or uw-imapd can use those. cyrus can't |
| 12:59.30 | docmax | how can i do it? |
| 12:59.35 | wols | but it's a bad choice for imap. no folders |
| 12:59.43 | docmax | or, deinstalling cyrus now... |
| 12:59.55 | docmax | what about courier mail? |
| 13:00.03 | agave | hi all, i've upgraded from stable to sid yesterday, but now xorg isn't working (Screen not found). Any idea? |
| 13:00.04 | wols | courier uses maildir only |
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| 13:00.14 | wols | agave: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 13:00.19 | docmax | maildir is /var/mail? |
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| 13:00.24 | wols | agave: and tell us what videochip and what driver |
| 13:00.29 | wols | docmax: no. /var/mail is mbox |
| 13:00.30 | agave | wols: wait, i've to start in my virtual machine |
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| 13:01.01 | agave | wols: where's that file? |
| 13:01.05 | wols | docmax: why do you insist on mbox? |
| 13:01.07 | wols | agave: /var/log |
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| 13:01.56 | docmax | because i can combine linux integrated mail with external email clients |
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| 13:02.32 | liable | hmm, what was the ricer factoid with the link to the ricer page? |
| 13:02.34 | wols | many linux clients speak maildir and can use imap as well |
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| 13:04.12 | docmax | but not thunderbird |
| 13:04.23 | wols | thunderbird can do imap just fine |
| 13:04.36 | docmax | anyway got another quick question: how can is see running daemons with one command? |
| 13:04.52 | docmax | yes imap, not the other thing |
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| 13:05.59 | \amethyst | docmax: ps -t - to list all processes with no controlling tty |
| 13:06.12 | docmax | allright |
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| 13:06.45 | agave | wols: my system freeze when i do "startx" |
| 13:07.14 | wols | agave: answer my questions and do what I asked you please |
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| 13:07.28 | troubled | Maulkin: *poke* |
| 13:07.42 | agave | wols: i cant' paste it, i'm in text mode |
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| 13:08.01 | wols | !tell agave about pastebinit |
| 13:08.22 | wols | !tell agave about pastebin pipe |
| 13:08.45 | amphi | agave: or use w3m (text mode browser) |
| 13:08.48 | agave | wols: thanks :) |
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| 13:12.03 | enouf | amphi: or links2 -g in console, working mouse and everything :-P |
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| 13:12.30 | shifty | hi all |
| 13:12.31 | enouf | amphi: though i admit, might throw n00ba a bit off :-P |
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| 13:12.49 | shifty | how do i fix that problem: FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found |
| 13:12.52 | amphi | aye ;) I haven't looked at links2 for a while now |
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| 13:13.29 | amphi | enouf: did you try midori at all? or have you renounced X and all its works? |
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| 13:13.53 | enouf | mount it with iocharset=isoSOMETHING else? |
| 13:14.16 | shifty | can i mount fat with utf8? |
| 13:14.31 | enouf | amphi: heh, i wish - me so lazy - too much uptime and open windows and shit ;-) |
| 13:14.37 | pumpkin0 | shifty: modprobe nls_iso8859-1 ? |
| 13:14.46 | enouf | amphi: i will though ... eventually - how's it maturing? |
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| 13:15.16 | amphi | I find it quite usable ATM |
| 13:15.21 | shifty | pumpkin0: thx, that worked :D |
| 13:15.22 | pumpkin0 | shifty: mounting fat with utf8 works, but you should not write to ir ... |
| 13:15.23 | enouf | shifty: i think only later windows versions allowed one to do that - from linux, i doubt it |
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| 13:15.54 | shifty | i dont have to use it ... i will format it but first i had to mount it :D |
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| 13:16.04 | enouf | fat was never designed to support utf8 |
| 13:16.05 | shifty | now i format it with ext3 |
| 13:16.10 | pumpkin0 | shifty: no. first format, then mount. |
| 13:16.17 | shifty | truecrypted |
| 13:16.20 | enouf | but you know how windows likes to play tricks with it's own stuff |
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| 13:16.30 | pumpkin0 | shifty: formating while mounted = bad idea. |
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| 13:16.45 | shifty | how can i format it if its truecrypted? |
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| 13:17.22 | enouf | amphi: good news ;-) webkit ,or no webkit? |
| 13:17.35 | amphi | enouf: aye, webkit-gtk |
| 13:17.53 | enouf | ahh.. gtk (/me cringes) :P |
| 13:18.22 | amphi | you prefer qt?? |
| 13:18.26 | enouf | but only as an initial response .. it's unfounded |
| 13:18.30 | amphi | gasps in horror |
| 13:18.40 | enouf | no friggin way josè |
| 13:18.44 | enouf | :-P |
| 13:18.52 | amphi | wipes sweat from his brow |
| 13:19.02 | enouf | !phew amphi |
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| 13:19.05 | enouf | :-P |
| 13:19.07 | amphi | heh |
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| 13:19.30 | amphi | I haven't been awake long enough for such apostasy |
| 13:20.06 | enouf | haha |
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| 13:21.11 | docmax | damit .. i cent setup uw-imapd to accept user!!! |
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| 13:30.24 | docmax | YES!!! dovecot works the way i want |
| 13:30.32 | docmax | THANKS!!! |
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| 13:32.00 | gto | yo |
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| 13:33.34 | LOOK40 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) |
| 13:33.37 | LOOK40 | http://www.WHAK.COM EDY radio - http://www.MovieRumor.com (watch theater movies) - http://www.Web20Appz.com (appz) - http://www.ChatPhobia.com to (chat anywhere, web IRC client) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
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| 13:33.56 | gnunixguy | is away: sleeping |
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| 13:35.14 | enouf | does this b0z0 that's psoting this always use a different IP ? |
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| 13:37.29 | doomster | anyone fluen in X programming? I'm looking for a way to do something every second, like setting a timer. |
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| 13:38.32 | enouf | LOOK40 was n=CHAT@cpe-74-71-143-81.twcny.res.rr.com (WHAK.com) <-- anyway - there's the IP out in public, so maybe someone can make a match later |
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| 13:38.57 | enouf | doomster: maybe #xorg-devel |
| 13:39.08 | liable | wheres the ops |
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| 13:40.12 | enouf | dunno, but i've seen that message now 3 times here! within say 24-36 hours, if that long |
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| 13:42.02 | doomster | enouf: good idea, thanks. |
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| 13:42.54 | docmax | when i delete a imap mail from outlook it still remains in /var/mail |
| 13:42.56 | docmax | why? |
| 13:43.02 | shifty | i have after reboot some proccesses i dont know for what they are... example: ksoftirqd kthreadd, cifsoplockd ... can some 1 tell me 4 what they are? (normally i had 17 proccesses now 60) |
| 13:43.22 | enouf | normally? |
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| 13:43.38 | shifty | usually |
| 13:43.44 | enouf | those are kernel things |
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| 13:43.49 | enouf | when is usually? |
| 13:43.57 | foobar8 | hmm the rdiff method to sync block devices does not do minimal writes - it does a complete write :-( |
| 13:44.06 | shifty | before 2 hrs ;) |
| 13:44.11 | enouf | better, what is usually |
| 13:44.21 | shifty | 2hrs ago... |
| 13:44.32 | enouf | foobar8: ouch :-/ |
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| 13:44.53 | enouf | foobar8: rdiff-backup an option? |
| 13:45.31 | enouf | thanks stew |
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| 13:45.54 | foobar8 | enouf: you mean on the fs itself then? if so no |
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| 13:46.08 | foobar8 | enouf: otherwise i guess it uses rdiff? |
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| 13:46.58 | enouf | foobar8: just thought maybe it might behave a bit differently |
| 13:47.11 | foobar8 | enouf: thanks - i will take a look |
| 13:47.31 | enouf | since it's meant for "backup" might have incremental feature or whatever |
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| 13:47.57 | foobar8 | thinks - if i only would have written my own in the first place |
| 13:47.59 | troubled | stew: you round still? |
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| 13:48.15 | enouf | though, rdiff would imply only differences :-P |
| 13:48.31 | stew | troubled: yes |
| 13:48.48 | troubled | stew: apt is fixed now I think, any chance on removing: -!- 2 - #debian: ban *!*@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt ? |
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| 13:49.15 | troubled | stew: was by Maulkin originally for it responding to "how are you?" without being addressed |
| 13:49.34 | troubled | Tim said the patch is tested and should work |
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| 13:50.10 | stew | how are you? |
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| 13:50.22 | troubled | apt: how are you |
| 13:50.22 | apt | mas o menos, troubled |
| 13:50.24 | liable | apt: wb |
| 13:50.25 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 13:50.27 | troubled | nod, looks good |
| 13:50.29 | enouf | shifty: though cifs would appear related to CIFS/SAMBA |
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| 13:50.54 | shifty | enouf: ok, but i dont use CIFS/SAMBA |
| 13:51.22 | troubled | stew: was a missing "if $talkok" from a change we made earlier that splipped by us both ;) |
| 13:51.24 | foobar8 | enouf: it seems rdiff-backup does not operate on block devices either |
| 13:51.30 | troubled | ta |
| 13:51.35 | enouf | ~badgersmite liable |
| 13:51.45 | enouf | grah |
| 13:51.46 | foobar8 | writes his own blockdev-sync |
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| 13:51.57 | enouf | shifty: you do now ;-) |
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| 13:52.05 | enouf | foobar8: ugh! |
| 13:52.10 | troubled | enouf: think that is ravenbird's trigger no? |
| 13:52.26 | enouf | troubled: yeah - i'm mental, nm me ;-) |
| 13:52.34 | shifty | enouf: ok, i think i dont care about the processes |
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| 13:52.44 | troubled | enouf: well maybe, maybe not. in #infobot we got diff triggers. not sure here anymore |
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| 13:54.40 | enouf | shifty: if you want /msg dpkg harden-doc |
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| 13:54.59 | enouf | shreddi: it's installable as well - harden-doc pkg |
| 13:55.29 | shifty | enouf: lol |
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| 13:55.36 | shifty | but thx ;) |
| 13:55.55 | enouf | dpkg harden-doc is also or apt-get install harden-doc || aptitude install harden-doc |
| 13:55.55 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 13:56.57 | enouf | crap |
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| 14:09.45 | groton | i installed sunjdk5 package from debian packages repository, but "javac" is not in the PATH. Is this expected? |
| 14:10.29 | dvs | groton: javac is in the /usr/bin directory for me. |
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| 14:11.39 | groton | For me, as the command says "dpkg -S javac", it is in sun-java5-jdk: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/javac |
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| 14:12.27 | dvs | groton: You're right. I took a closer look at mine and it says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2007-04-11 19:29 /usr/bin/javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac |
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| 14:12.43 | dvs | groton: so, you'll probably have to run "update-alternatives javac" |
| 14:13.06 | dvs | groton: "update-alternatives --config javac" |
| 14:13.37 | namit | just over night mysql has stopped working for me, mysqld.sock files that should be in /var/run/mysqld is gone |
| 14:13.41 | groton | The output of that command is: "There is only 1 program which provides javac: (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac). Nothing to configure." |
| 14:14.22 | stew | groton: does /usr/bin/javac exist? what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" return? |
| 14:14.27 | groton | And if i run javac, i get the scary: "bash: javac: command not found", since there is not a link to that executable |
| 14:14.51 | groton | stew: no, there is only a link to java, not javac |
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| 14:15.21 | dvs | groton: Then try "update-alternatives --set javac /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/javac" |
| 14:15.34 | stew | groton: "ln -s /etc/alternatives/javac /usr/bin/javac" |
| 14:16.00 | dvs | stew: Not the "proper" way! ;-) |
| 14:16.09 | stew | dvs: why not? |
| 14:16.14 | stew | dvs: what is then? |
| 14:16.22 | avu | update-alternatives? |
| 14:16.33 | stew | not update-alternatives |
| 14:16.41 | avu | why not? |
| 14:16.44 | dvs | stew: Just kidding. The update-alternatives way is the formal way but I like the direct approach like you. |
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| 14:17.12 | stew | update-alternatives is not going to recreate the /usr/bin/javac symlink that he removed, it only manages the /etc/alternatives/javac symlink |
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| 14:17.34 | dvs | stew: Oh. Didn't catch that. |
| 14:17.46 | avu | ah, should have read more than that one statement of yours before screaming :) |
| 14:18.00 | dvs | avu: WHAT DO YOU MEAN!?!? ;-) |
| 14:18.01 | groton | ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/javac': File exists |
| 14:18.14 | enouf | whoops |
| 14:18.23 | terver | hm, if i put --enable-optimize='-O3' and it doesn't show up in about:buildconfig it's normal? |
| 14:18.28 | groton | 2007-12-23 |
| 14:18.29 | terver | oops, sorry |
| 14:18.31 | stew | 10:14 < stew> groton: does /usr/bin/javac exist? what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" return? |
| 14:18.39 | MrBrush | The screen that you see when pressing C-a " in screen, is it also possible to get that permanent in the screen session |
| 14:18.59 | groton | stew: it does not return anything |
| 14:19.01 | avu | MrBrush, you can add a hardstatusline that display this information at the bottom |
| 14:19.10 | MrBrush | avu: i did that, but |
| 14:19.13 | avu | MrBrush, an example of how to do that is in the debian default screenrc |
| 14:19.14 | dvs | groton: ls -l /usr/bin/javac |
| 14:19.17 | MrBrush | it displayed it at the title of my screen |
| 14:19.24 | stew | groton: what does "file /usr/bin/javac" return? |
| 14:19.27 | groton | dvs: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2007-12-23 22:05 /usr/bin/javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac |
| 14:19.28 | enouf | it will do that if it's not a symlink , IIRC |
| 14:19.35 | MrBrush | avu: at the title of my putty session I mean |
| 14:19.39 | enouf | wow |
| 14:19.41 | dvs | stew: See? It would have worked. ;-) |
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| 14:19.57 | avu | MrBrush, use the example from the debian /etc/screenrc, you just have to uncomment it |
| 14:20.08 | MrBrush | avu: sec |
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| 14:20.50 | stew | i don't understand how a non-existant symlink which readlink can't read would show up when file tries to look for it |
| 14:21.05 | dvs | groton: update-alternatives --set javac /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/javac |
| 14:21.12 | namit | my server was full so mysql would not start, thanks |
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| 14:21.30 | MrBrush | avu: it messages it to the title of my window |
| 14:21.37 | MrBrush | avu: not to the bottom, just tried it |
| 14:22.04 | shifty | what can i do if mkfs.ext3 freezes? |
| 14:22.06 | groton | dvs: still it says cannot find alternative for /usr/lib... |
| 14:22.08 | avu | MrBrush, http://bfoo.de/~jan/status.png that's how it looks when you do it right |
| 14:22.19 | avu | MrBrush, is that what you want? shall I poste my screenrc? |
| 14:22.24 | MrBrush | avu: no that's how I wish i'd look like :) |
| 14:22.27 | MrBrush | sure |
| 14:22.42 | dvs | groton: ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/javac /etc/alternatives/javac |
| 14:22.46 | nuno_nunes | Hi ppl |
| 14:22.51 | dvs | Let's try it stew's way |
| 14:23.15 | stew | may way is irrelevant |
| 14:23.22 | stew | since the symlink already exists |
| 14:23.29 | avu | MrBrush, http://rafb.net/p/Xs2m2m69.html |
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| 14:23.41 | avu | MrBrush, it's almost completely the debian default |
| 14:24.00 | groton | dvs, oh, the /etc/alternatives/javac was pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac, and i am using version 5, not 6 :) |
| 14:24.22 | dvs | groton: fix it! |
| 14:24.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 14:24.37 | MrBrush | avu: thanks |
| 14:24.38 | MrBrush | avu: brb |
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| 14:25.21 | groton | dvs, stew: notice that i installed all the packages for version 5, and not 6, i checked it with dpkg -l :) Yes, I forced its creation (ie overwriting it) with ln -sf |
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| 14:27.45 | groton | dvs, stew: http://nopaste.com/p/auk3zIvpT |
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| 14:30.21 | smacnay | can the gnome media player (totem) have all the good/bad/ugly gstreamer plugins installed at the same time? |
| 14:30.23 | MrBrush | avu: 75 hardstatus alwayslastline "%-Lw%{= BW}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<" |
| 14:30.26 | MrBrush | it was about that line |
| 14:30.28 | MrBrush | thanks a lot |
| 14:30.31 | MrBrush | only would like to have different colors |
| 14:30.45 | MrBrush | is there anyway I can change the purple for the current session and gray for the whole line? |
| 14:31.04 | groton | dvs, stew: altough i got that error during update-alternatives, running "javac" works now, since it is in the path |
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| 14:32.33 | avu | MrBrush, sure |
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| 14:32.51 | avu | MrBrush, man screen has a bit of information about what's possible and how in this line |
| 14:32.51 | MrBrush | how? |
| 14:32.55 | MrBrush | ok |
| 14:33.09 | avu | MrBrush, there are also countles working examples of hardstatus lines on the web |
| 14:33.51 | MrBrush | avu: thanks, will chekc |
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| 14:34.53 | Maulkin | terver: re-poke |
| 14:34.57 | Maulkin | err... |
| 14:34.58 | Maulkin | troubled: |
| 14:35.34 | troubled | Maulkin: its ok, stew unbanned apt |
| 14:35.36 | Maulkin | troubled: RST, seen. |
| 14:35.41 | Maulkin | :) |
| 14:35.52 | troubled | Maulkin: although there are a few useless bans that could be removed :) |
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| 14:36.18 | troubled | Maulkin: %*!*@bas1-toronto35-1279336537.dsl.bell.ca %*!*@bas1-toronto35-1279627401.dsl.bell.ca %*!*@p548C4649.dip.t-dialin.net %z?w?!*@* %Z3W8!*@* %z3wb!*@* |
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| 14:36.43 | troubled | (the 3 zewb ones, 2 are usless by glob from the z?w? one) |
| 14:36.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@bas1-toronto35-1279336537.dsl.bell.ca] by Maulkin |
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| 14:37.22 | troubled | and with bell (and t-dip), the ip changes each time they grab ip, so its basically useless beyond a few days typically (or few minutes if they are that determined) |
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| 14:38.04 | troubled | :) |
| 14:38.26 | troubled | figured some obvious house cleaning is ok now and then |
| 14:38.54 | Maulkin | returns to cake baking |
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| 14:40.08 | troubled | sits quiet and doesnt mention the fact that he wasnt supposed to remove the %z?w?!*@* one, but that it was redundant for the other two ;) |
| 14:40.14 | troubled | meh, anyways. l8r |
| 14:40.21 | liable | troubled: you spend all day reading ban logs or something? ;) |
| 14:40.46 | troubled | liable: nah, but when i gotta find the apt ban in a 200 ban long list, you notice a few useless/old ones |
| 14:41.13 | liable | fair 'nough |
| 14:41.41 | troubled | liable: that and being a bell.ca dsl user, I know I get a new ip 100% of the time every time i bring up the interface, so exact bell matchs are wrong approach. its suppose to be bas?-<city>-*.dsl.bell.ca, for example, since those dont change per user |
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| 14:42.17 | troubled | ie: one guy on say bas1-toronto35-1279336537.dsl.bell.ca, will _always_ for the rest of his days on that isp be bas1 and toronto35 |
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| 14:43.01 | liable | *nod* |
| 14:43.52 | MrBrush | Is it possible to use a certain .bashrc file (or to directly load it as user without copying it to your homedir) ? |
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| 14:44.23 | troubled | MrBrush: put a default on in the /etc/skeleton dir or use /etc/profile? |
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| 14:44.53 | troubled | sorry, /etc/skel |
| 14:45.08 | troubled | that only gets copied during user creation though btw |
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| 14:46.07 | Jaseem | I am using a slighly edited version of debian. I can't connect to internet using it. |
| 14:46.31 | troubled | Jaseem: diff distro? |
| 14:46.36 | vadmeste | Jaseem: your detailed problem ? |
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| 14:47.06 | Jaseem | I can't connect to internet. I am connected to internet via ethernet. |
| 14:47.34 | troubled | Jaseem: /etc/network/interfaces help? |
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| 14:48.10 | Jaseem | How can I know if it is problem of my router? |
| 14:48.39 | troubled | can you ping the router? is the eth up for your nic? it have an ip? is it static or dhcp? lots of steps |
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| 14:49.29 | troubled | Jaseem: what do you mean by a modified debian though? |
| 14:49.42 | troubled | is it debian? or ubuntu or something else debian based? |
| 14:49.48 | Jaseem | it is provided by our government for schools. |
| 14:49.55 | Jaseem | It is debian. |
| 14:50.06 | Eulex | hmm, what country? |
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| 14:50.49 | Jaseem | India. It is provided by my state governmetn. |
| 14:51.56 | vadmeste | Jaseem: you want connect to the internet with ethernet ? |
| 14:52.25 | Jaseem | yeah. |
| 14:52.30 | Jaseem | yeah vadmeste |
| 14:52.40 | Jaseem | my isp is bsnl |
| 14:52.51 | Jaseem | router model is UT300R2u |
| 14:53.51 | vadmeste | Jaseem: type this in the console : "ifconfig" |
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| 14:55.41 | Jaseem | I did that once, it has four sections, eth1, eth0, eth0:avahi and lo |
| 14:55.58 | Eulex | can you pastebin the output? |
| 14:56.22 | Jaseem | Please don't ask that. My typing speed is low and I have type these things. |
| 14:56.26 | micols | Jaseem: you need to know if you connect via ppp (modem or isdn) or ethernet (lan, rj45) |
| 14:56.54 | vadmeste | !tell Jaseem about pastebin |
| 14:56.58 | Jaseem | It is rj45 |
| 14:57.18 | Eulex | Jaseem, can't you copy and paste? |
| 14:57.30 | Jaseem | it is in my notebook |
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| 14:58.11 | Eulex | Jaseem, so, does the appropriate network interface have an ip? |
| 14:58.12 | micols | just one second Jaseem , if you run debian you can have my interfaces file as a sample (/etc/network/interfaces) |
| 14:58.36 | Jaseem | only eth0:avahi is showing ip. |
| 14:58.50 | micols | Jaseem: http://pastebin.com/m2ff2ab79 |
| 14:58.57 | Eulex | Jaseem, then fix your /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces has details on it |
| 14:59.03 | micols | use that one and do a 'dhclient' or ifup -a |
| 14:59.05 | micols | then ifconfig |
| 14:59.10 | micols | to see if you have gained an ip |
| 14:59.29 | micols | if you use dhcp you should use dhclient |
| 15:00.03 | micols | do ifdown -a; ifup -a; dhclient as root |
| 15:00.19 | Eulex | micols, if those are separate nics, and one is wired and one is wireless, consider using allow-hotplug or the system will try to bring both up at boot... |
| 15:00.48 | micols | Eulex: or just remove one from "auto" |
| 15:01.04 | Eulex | that won't have the same effect |
| 15:01.15 | micols | it shouldnt bring it up at init 2 then |
| 15:01.50 | Eulex | allow-hotplug will bring up the interface if possible. neither having auto nor allow-hotplug will require you to bring it up manually |
| 15:02.28 | micols | yes Eulex , i never used that one, but its probably best for him to use it. |
| 15:02.51 | micols | right now we just need him running when its been booted, then he can always add that one liner :) |
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| 15:06.47 | micols | Eulex: i wonder where a good old dpkg-reconfigure interfaces went, or if that one always was base-config ? |
| 15:07.44 | hifi | are there unofficial X.org git snaphot packages anywhere? |
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| 15:08.06 | samba-ldap | Hi @all |
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| 15:08.32 | samba-ldap | i will setup an tftp server with a mysql backend for MAC listing and so on |
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| 15:08.52 | samba-ldap | die anybody have a idear where i can setup the tftp server with a mysql backend |
| 15:09.01 | Eulex | micols, base-config I believe. the new installer eated it. |
| 15:09.09 | micols | :) |
| 15:09.51 | micols | anybody know how to get gimp or openoffice to work from testing? when running etch |
| 15:09.57 | micols | i tried backports, not much help. |
| 15:10.23 | Eulex | !tell micols about ssb |
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| 15:10.49 | Eulex | though openoffice.org has backports on backports.org that you can use |
| 15:10.58 | Eulex | but gimp doesn't |
| 15:11.08 | micols | right, i had great problems compiling gimp |
| 15:11.22 | hardcampa | anyone know from where I can get a backport for subversion 1.5 |
| 15:11.25 | hardcampa | for etch |
| 15:11.59 | nootoyahora | I'm having some trouble apt-get dist-upgrad'ing my debian box (testing version), the trouble is here -> http://pastebin.com/m38b35d7a -> anyone can help me please? |
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| 15:17.46 | nomisery | hello!, i want to "aptitude purge ..." all packages wich were already removed, without removing there config files |
| 15:17.55 | nomisery | is there an easy way to to this? |
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| 15:23.33 | petemc | !purge |
| 15:23.34 | dpkg | from memory, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 15:25.44 | nootoyahora | I'm having some trouble apt-get dist-upgrad'ing my debian box (testing version), the trouble is here -> http://pastebin.com/m38b35d7a -> anyone can help me please? |
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| 15:25.56 | hoxu | nootoyahora, that does not make sense. Why do you think you need to do that? |
| 15:26.19 | nootoyahora | hoxu, what does make no sense? |
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| 15:26.41 | hoxu | nootoyahora, sorry, meant nomisery, I'm suffering from wols's tab completion syndrome |
| 15:26.56 | nootoyahora | hoxu, ah xD |
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| 15:28.00 | frosty2 | adama, you there? |
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| 15:30.55 | Miroku-Sama | Hey I just installed debian etch on a vm then I shared some of my media with it. To my surprise my avi and mp3s worked no additional config. I thought debian didn't supply those libs by default. |
| 15:31.12 | Demosthenes | Miroku-Sama: dvd's don't ;] |
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| 15:31.53 | Miroku-Sama | ah ok any other standards that don't? |
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| 15:32.47 | Miroku-Sama | Can i get dvd playback from debian-multimedia? |
| 15:33.01 | Ox41464b | Its there anyway to interrupt lilo booting ? (so... i can add single, at the boot options) |
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| 15:36.46 | micols | Ox41464b: only at boot "prompt", where you can press shift for a few deciseconds |
| 15:37.29 | micols | to get to a kernel parameter console "boot: " |
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| 15:38.07 | micols | Ox41464b: just press shift, type in your kernel name at boot: so it will be like "boot: vmlinuz single" |
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| 15:38.39 | micols | why are you adding single in the first place? |
| 15:38.48 | micols | i would just add an init=/bin/sh |
| 15:38.55 | micols | thats single user. |
| 15:39.28 | micols | as it replaced init's normal startup procedure and omits /etc/rc2.d |
| 15:39.47 | enouf | it omits rcS.d as well |
| 15:39.50 | Ox41464b | micols, its because i didnt have root password |
| 15:39.55 | micols | yes enouf |
| 15:39.56 | enouf | so you miss a bit more |
| 15:40.02 | nootoyahora | no one is haveing trouble with apt-get dist-upgrade and listbugs? |
| 15:40.14 | cyzie | is there a command to print the webcam setting ? |
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| 15:40.26 | micols | Ox41464b: init=/bin/sh then |
| 15:40.28 | kdeuser^1 | Heya |
| 15:40.40 | micols | Ox41464b: one good reason to always password protect your bootloader :-) |
| 15:40.43 | enouf | xaw or something? |
| 15:40.47 | bolt | I'm trying to test software raid with two 40 gig drives. I made a software RAID 1 (mirrored) raid and I'm trying to create a root partition and a swap partition on the raid device. However, when I make the root partition, the remaining space shows up as "unusable". why? |
| 15:40.58 | Ox41464b | micols, oh... except single giving: "single" i also can give "init=/bin/sh" ? |
| 15:41.04 | micols | Ox41464b: and lock your machine with huge chains :) |
| 15:41.19 | micols | yes Ox41464b i dont know much about single, but that init will work |
| 15:41.24 | Ox41464b | micols, didnt have problem with that... we just losing password :( |
| 15:41.27 | micols | single doesn't seem to be in kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 15:41.39 | micols | but i have seen it before might even have used it, so might work also |
| 15:41.40 | enouf | Ox41464b: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 15:42.04 | micols | Ox41464b: just init=/bin/sh and passwd then :) |
| 15:42.21 | micols | much easier than winxp :OP |
| 15:42.24 | Ox41464b | enouf, there is no "boot loader options", its directly goes to login |
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| 15:42.46 | micols | hold down shift, else its probably using grub, but isnt that shift also? |
| 15:42.53 | enouf | Ox41464b: if you can pass it init=/bin/sh you can do it |
| 15:43.16 | micols | its much harder changing your lost pass in winxp :) |
| 15:43.31 | enouf | micols: i think grub uses ESC to toggle menu/shell mode |
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| 15:43.46 | micols | right i recall that now also enouf :) |
| 15:43.56 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:44.12 | docmax | does anybody know how i can completly replace activesync/outlook in debian? |
| 15:44.34 | docmax | for example synce/thunderbird |
| 15:44.45 | micols | i dont remember grub's shortcuts but i always remember to do a Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring when my system crashes :) |
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| 15:45.07 | micols | weird memory. |
| 15:45.34 | micols | docmax: thunderbird and ldap can do much i think |
| 15:45.57 | micols | ldap can do email contacts retrival thats all i know, for tbird.. else there are more advanced email clients |
| 15:45.57 | Nyle | or you could be BUSIER backwards |
| 15:46.04 | bolt | When I create one partition on a raid1 device, the rest of the space shows as "unusable". Why? I want both / and swap on this device. |
| 15:46.16 | docmax | ldap? |
| 15:46.17 | micols | yes Nyle :) |
| 15:46.37 | docmax | so isnt there a way to replace activesync? |
| 15:46.44 | micols | i got msysrq on all my machines and servers and laptops and xbox :) |
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| 15:47.44 | micols | docmax: explain to me what activesync does, i am not much into ms stuff |
| 15:47.58 | micols | it synces your contacts between server and machines ? |
| 15:48.06 | micols | or also mail? |
| 15:48.20 | ynef | I'm having a problem with my radeon mobility m6 card: i set the DefaultDepth to 16 in xorg.conf, but it selects 24 bits (and thus, due to low memory, disables dri causing me to have a slow display) |
| 15:48.45 | micols | heh ynef .. fglrx cant do 16bit, i dont know about radeon driver. |
| 15:48.58 | docmax | activesync syncs pocketpc with outlook (emails/adresses) |
| 15:48.59 | ynef | micols: I'm using the radeon driver |
| 15:49.02 | micols | also it cannot do agpgart support with 2.6.* kernels |
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| 15:49.05 | docmax | i want this in linux |
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| 15:49.20 | ynef | micols: not that closed source stuff ;-) |
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| 15:49.52 | micols | docmax: you will probably have to invent it yourself using some nice tools like rsync, hal (automount those pocketpc's) |
| 15:50.04 | micols | autofs can also automount |
| 15:50.18 | micols | but there might be software for it, im not quite sure, look in apt and google :) |
| 15:50.29 | ynef | Is there anywhere *besides* DefaultDepth one might need to change to modify the depth of the display? |
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| 15:50.40 | micols | if your ppcs use ms outlook too youre probably out of luck :-) |
| 15:51.01 | micols | i remember the hard work to get an outlook inbox translated to "linux mbox format" |
| 15:51.21 | infernix | anyone around running sid and iceweasel/firefox 3? |
| 15:51.23 | micols | until some nice guy decided to write a program for it, its a closed source format, but now there is a nice tool in apt for it. |
| 15:51.40 | Ox41464b | enouf,dpkg: Thanks alot... thats all i need, hope it works... |
| 15:51.42 | micols | until then you had to boot a windows machine to get your mails converted. |
| 15:51.55 | infernix | when i visit www.dimo.nl it hangs firefox, and i'm looking for someone to reproduce the problem before i tear my box apart :) |
| 15:52.05 | enouf | Ox41464b: thank micols , not the bot :-P |
| 15:52.28 | Ox41464b | enouf, thanks to #Debian FreeNode then ;) |
| 15:52.35 | enouf | although, sure, be thankful for dpkg the bot, bestest bot in the world ;-) |
| 15:52.51 | Ox41464b | and yes... this is GNU/Linux 3.0 *old Debian :((* |
| 15:52.58 | enouf | !win Ox41464b |
| 15:52.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ox41464b! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:53.13 | micols | hangs my firefox too intralanman |
| 15:53.15 | micols | infernix: |
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| 15:53.22 | micols | sorry for highlight intralanman :) |
| 15:53.28 | enouf | don't we have a rotational perl thing for !win ? hrmmm |
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| 15:54.20 | enouf | like .. one should say " You have won a Shrubbery" :-p |
| 15:54.34 | micols | docmax: i have used ldap for email adr syncing in thunderbird, worked nicely (after some hard work of setting up ldap) |
| 15:54.45 | micols | damn.. bad day.. Ox41464b |
| 15:54.59 | troubled | !literal cmd: win (.*?) |
| 15:54.59 | dpkg | "cmd: win (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Beirut|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Gaza|Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)!" |
| 15:55.09 | troubled | enouf: looks pretty randomized to me |
| 15:55.15 | ynef | does anyone know how to make the radeon driver change display depth (besides adjusting DefaultDepth, which doesn't work for some reason)? |
| 15:55.22 | micols | just get your ppc data written to ldap somehow :) |
| 15:55.30 | infernix | micols: thanks, are you on 32bit or 64bit? |
| 15:55.37 | micols | 32bit infernix |
| 15:55.43 | micols | and stable etch |
| 15:56.01 | enouf | troubled: oh well, nm me, i'm just troubled :-P |
| 15:56.11 | troubled | XD |
| 15:56.22 | kdeuser^1 | Hey |
| 15:56.23 | enouf | troubled: many brainfarts today :-P |
| 15:56.30 | kdeuser^1 | I am able to play a video in text mode |
| 15:56.38 | infernix | micols: you're running iceweasel 2.0.x then? |
| 15:56.48 | kdeuser^1 | But its small even though I pass the -fs option with mplayer |
| 15:56.52 | troubled | enouf: pepto bismal through the ear canal perhaps? |
| 15:56.58 | kdeuser^1 | how do I get it fullscreen |
| 15:56.59 | micols | yes infernix 2.0.0.14 |
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| 15:57.22 | Bushmills | kdeuser^1: also pass -zoom |
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| 15:58.02 | kdeuser^1 | I still get it small |
| 15:58.24 | kdeuser^1 | I am doing it from the console |
| 15:58.31 | kdeuser^1 | not having X running |
| 15:58.37 | Bushmills | kdeuser^1: press "f" when it is playing |
| 15:58.50 | kdeuser^1 | tried that . doesn`t wokr |
| 15:58.57 | micols | thats is weird, should be fs by default in ttys |
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| 16:01.00 | bolt | is it good practice to mount samba shares, nfs drives, local harddrives etc. in /mnt/ ? |
| 16:01.07 | bolt | if not, where should they be mounted? |
| 16:01.49 | Ox41464b | ifrp = i forgot root password ? |
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| 16:01.58 | Bushmills | bolt: i prefer to use autofs for nfs shares. better when nfs server can't be connected to |
| 16:02.17 | enouf | Ox41464b: yep |
| 16:02.48 | micols | i mounted all mine in /nfs/sharename |
| 16:02.56 | enouf | Ox41464b: are you lagging or something? |
| 16:03.06 | jelly-home | Bushmills: except when a stupid app repeatedly tries to access some path and autofs tries to mount a share tens of times per second |
| 16:03.09 | micols | just remember to mkdir -p /nfs/sharename |
| 16:03.11 | Bushmills | bolt: oh. /me misread |
| 16:03.21 | Bushmills | i somehow read it as "from fstab ..." |
| 16:03.43 | nootoyahora | I'm having some trouble apt-get dist-upgrad'ing my debian box (testing version), the trouble is here -> http://pastebin.com/m38b35d7a -> anyone can help me please? |
| 16:04.09 | Bushmills | jelly-home: .. and doesn't time out after a reasonable time |
| 16:04.17 | bolt | What I need to know is if /mnt is reserved for anything. Because it seems to me like a good place to make some folders and mount stuff |
| 16:04.28 | micols | nfs security is shit :( i miss onetime password authentication and tcp connections |
| 16:04.38 | infernix | ugh. a javascript image scroller makes iceweasel hang, but the official firefox build works fine. |
| 16:04.41 | bolt | s/folders/directories/ yeah, i know. |
| 16:04.45 | micols | with some nice sha algorithm |
| 16:04.50 | micols | rsa even |
| 16:04.56 | infernix | anyone know more about the differences in terms of javascript processing regarding iceweasel and firefox? |
| 16:05.05 | Bushmills | bolt, i tend to use /mnt for transient mounts. the quick interactive kind |
| 16:05.22 | Bushmills | not helpful if stuff is mounted below /mnt then |
| 16:05.33 | Gnurdux | infernix, there shouldnt be any |
| 16:05.34 | Frippera | bolt: I've always created my devices I've mounted under /mnt.....seems to me to be the obvious place....but I dont know if its best practise or not :-| |
| 16:05.50 | micols | infernix: also you cannot copy from flash to firefox / linux clipboard. |
| 16:05.57 | micols | infernix: had that problem for a year now |
| 16:05.59 | infernix | Gnurdux: well i just confirmed there is. www.dimo.nl makes iceweasel crash, but not firefox |
| 16:06.23 | infernix | micols: that's a different type of bug, not one that makes the browser crash/hang |
| 16:06.32 | Gnurdux | A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. |
| 16:06.32 | Gnurdux | Script: http://www.dimo.nl/scroller.js:89 |
| 16:06.35 | Gnurdux | that error? |
| 16:06.38 | micols | no infernix but still irritating, hasnt been fixed yet |
| 16:06.49 | micols | tried all beta's and alphas of flash |
| 16:06.51 | infernix | Gnurdux: that warning doesn't show up here |
| 16:06.56 | infernix | it just goes apeshit |
| 16:06.58 | Bushmills | other than that, the permanent mounts of local devices have a permanent place in the directory hierarchy, and not in /mnt |
| 16:07.13 | micols | yeah infernix , but it might warn you with testing release of firefox |
| 16:07.24 | micols | i remember that version poping up if site uses 100% cpu for javascript |
| 16:07.26 | micols | so you can stop it |
| 16:08.03 | micols | oh, you were running a newer firefox? then my bad :) |
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| 16:10.09 | Bushmills | infernix: noscript is a useful extension for iceweasel. you can whitelist sites to allow javascript execution. |
| 16:10.12 | infernix | its with 2 and 3 on i386 and amd64 (2 boxes) |
| 16:10.43 | infernix | Bushmills: yeah, guess i'll have to |
| 16:10.48 | jelly-home | nootoyahora: sounds like apt-listbugs cannot access the server. You can wait for it to be fixed, or remove it temporarily |
| 16:10.50 | infernix | but it still seems like a bug |
| 16:10.58 | Bushmills | infernix: great is that you can allow execution for this time only. |
| 16:11.07 | nootoyahora | jelly, how do i remove it? from wehre? |
| 16:11.09 | nootoyahora | jelly, how do i remove it? from where? |
| 16:11.39 | jelly-home | nootoyahora: I mean, remove the package |
| 16:11.56 | nootoyahora | jelly, ah, ok, a good idea ;D |
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| 16:13.27 | infernix | Gnurdux: what iceweasel, debian version and arch are you on? |
| 16:13.46 | Gnurdux | im on debian testing, but with iceweasel 3 from unstable |
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| 16:17.57 | sylvain__ | Hello, I am trying to install nvidia-glx but aptitude says: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 which is a virtual package. What is wrong, why is nvidia-glx said to be broken by aptitude, how do I solve this? I do have nvidia-kernel-source installed. |
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| 16:19.31 | infernix | ok now here's the theory |
| 16:20.11 | infernix | i'm on a quad core and when firefox hangs it only consumes 1 core. so that code where it says "A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete" doesn't kick in because it doesn't see 100% cpu usage |
| 16:20.41 | infernix | can't really think of anything else |
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| 16:22.11 | sylvain__ | Any idea for my problem? |
| 16:22.27 | mikeX | hello, anyone else experiencing memory leaks to Xorg by konqueror 3.5.9 (sid amd64)? |
| 16:23.21 | Nyle | yo |
| 16:23.22 | Nyle | yo yo |
| 16:23.27 | Nyle | whats up |
| 16:23.29 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 16:23.30 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:23.31 | infernix | sylvain__: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 16:23.35 | Nyle | debian sucks! |
| 16:23.50 | Nyle | its crappiest distro in town |
| 16:23.59 | Nyle | you should use gentoo instead |
| 16:24.00 | ice63 | k |
| 16:24.09 | Nyle | no? |
| 16:24.12 | Nyle | no one? |
| 16:24.15 | Nyle | sighs |
| 16:24.20 | Nyle | I've never been able to troll, I give up |
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| 16:24.28 | Demosthenes | funny that, i just switched frmo gentoo to debian ;] |
| 16:24.29 | jelly-home | Nyle: yeah, and those dudes in #debian don't know nothing |
| 16:24.34 | Nyle | jelly-home, hehe |
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| 16:25.16 | Demosthenes | so much for poke the troll ;] |
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| 16:26.06 | Nyle | man I'm bored |
| 16:26.55 | Nyle | !nyeet |
| 16:26.55 | dpkg | Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 16:27.02 | Nyle | yes, yes I did |
| 16:27.04 | Nyle | oh wait |
| 16:27.05 | Nyle | no i didn't |
| 16:27.11 | Nyle | eats a pill right now |
| 16:27.16 | bolt | try standing on one leg and wave a floppy disk around for a while |
| 16:27.17 | bolt | might help |
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| 16:27.30 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:27.35 | Nyle | I don't have a floppy disk |
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| 16:27.51 | bolt | gah |
| 16:27.54 | bolt | what's the world coming to |
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| 16:28.17 | bolt | you need to have a floppy disk stuck behind your belt, so you can pull it out and say "You talking to me?!" just like in Hackers |
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| 16:29.41 | kdeuser^ | is there any console based instant messenger ? |
| 16:29.54 | bolt | pidgin has a console version |
| 16:29.56 | bolt | whatever it's called |
| 16:30.28 | kdeuser^ | oh |
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| 16:31.26 | kdeuser^ | is it finch ? |
| 16:31.35 | kdeuser^ | I just googled that |
| 16:31.52 | Demosthenes | i thought that wasn't included in debian for some reason |
| 16:31.55 | kdeuser^ | bolt: is there any ebook to learn a bit internals.. |
| 16:32.17 | bolt | kdeuser^: huh? |
| 16:32.37 | bolt | Demosthenes: not sure. nothing stops you from compiling it though |
| 16:32.42 | Demosthenes | bolt: as always |
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| 16:35.41 | kdeuser^ | bolt: Linux internals. |
| 16:35.55 | kdeuser^ | bolt: thanks about finch it works really well |
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| 16:36.44 | kdeuser^ | bolt: is there any way to capture screenshot of a console ? |
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| 16:39.06 | bolt | kdeuser^: none that i know of |
| 16:39.11 | bolt | kdeuser^: google says: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/snapscreenshot.html |
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| 16:40.15 | unop | what package needs to be reconfigured if i want to change the nice value that xorg runs at? |
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| 16:41.16 | hoxu | kdeuser^, depends on what you mean with screenshot. screen has hardcopy command |
| 16:42.01 | Nyle | unop, nice? |
| 16:42.08 | Nyle | !renice |
| 16:42.14 | Nyle | dpkg, hi |
| 16:42.15 | dpkg | hi |
| 16:42.20 | Nyle | dpkg, !nice |
| 16:42.21 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Nyle |
| 16:42.24 | Nyle | !nice |
| 16:42.24 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
| 16:42.27 | Nyle | youf ucking stupid asshole |
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| 16:43.15 | unop | Nyle, i know what nice is, but xorg is configured somewhere to run at a nice value you can set |
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| 16:43.26 | Nyle | unop, I dunno then |
| 16:43.37 | kdeuser^ | hoxu: any nice tutorials on using the linux console effectively |
| 16:43.43 | RobotGuy | Is xc available for Debian? |
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| 16:43.46 | hoxu | !tell kdeuser^ about grounding |
| 16:43.51 | hoxu | !absg kdeuser^ |
| 16:43.52 | dpkg | kdeuser^: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 16:43.52 | kdeuser^ | I am using it completly for most activities |
| 16:44.25 | Nyle | !priority |
| 16:44.34 | kdeuser^ | I think I have that guide with me |
| 16:44.44 | unop | Nyle, got it, x11-common |
| 16:44.48 | Nyle | ahh |
| 16:44.49 | RobotGuy | kdeuser^: xc? |
| 16:44.51 | Nyle | word |
| 16:45.02 | RobotGuy | xc is a console terminal program |
| 16:45.03 | kdeuser^ | what`s xc ? |
| 16:45.07 | Nyle | !xc |
| 16:45.10 | kdeuser^ | what does it do ? |
| 16:45.14 | Nyle | !+info xc |
| 16:45.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:45.26 | RobotGuy | xc is like minicom |
| 16:45.39 | kdeuser^ | also I need a nice guide on screen |
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| 16:45.51 | Nyle | !google |
| 16:45.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 16:45.57 | kdeuser^ | so I can just have one console rather than loggin in all |
| 16:46.02 | dpkg | Package 'xc' does not exist. |
| 16:46.03 | DeathWolf | -!- No results found |
| 16:46.22 | RobotGuy | Bummer. OK, thanks |
| 16:46.23 | kdeuser^ | RobotGuy: is xc like screen / |
| 16:46.26 | kdeuser^ | ? |
| 16:46.27 | amphi | kdeuser^: man screen is pretty informative |
| 16:46.37 | kdeuser^ | Will read that as well |
| 16:46.52 | RobotGuy | kdeuser^: xc is a terminal program like minicom |
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| 16:47.49 | kdeuser^ | I don`t know minicom either |
| 16:47.57 | pipeline | picocom is very nice |
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| 16:48.03 | pipeline | it's like minicom but with no features |
| 16:48.06 | pipeline | i.e. nothing to misconfigure :) |
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| 16:52.56 | kdeuser^ | its for configuring a modem ? |
| 16:53.05 | kdeuser^ | an internal modem ? |
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| 16:58.44 | xelapond_ | I just installed debian on my computer |
| 16:58.50 | xelapond_ | and its not booting |
| 16:59.03 | xelapond_ | its sitting there going hdc: lost interrupt |
| 16:59.13 | xelapond_ | I have a western digital SATA hard disk |
| 16:59.18 | xelapond_ | any idea how I get it booting? |
| 16:59.41 | cusco | do you get to grub? |
| 17:00.07 | xelapond_ | Yeah |
| 17:00.10 | xelapond_ | I think so |
| 17:00.17 | xelapond_ | the kernel appears to load |
| 17:00.18 | xelapond_ | Ill check |
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| 17:00.34 | hoxu | !enter |
| 17:00.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:01.09 | xelapond_ | oh, sorry, Ill stop that |
| 17:01.17 | xelapond_ | So, yes, it does get to grub |
| 17:01.39 | hoxu | xelapond_, if no one here has wild ideas, I suggest a) googling for "lost interrupt" and the model, and b) asking on #kernel if there are some boot parameters that can fix the problem |
| 17:01.46 | xelapond_ | Then it lets tons of text scroll by faster then possible to read, and then gets stuck on hdc: lost interrupt |
| 17:01.51 | hoxu | xelapond_, sorry, ##kernel |
| 17:01.58 | xelapond_ | ok, thanks |
| 17:02.01 | xelapond_ | off to google I go |
| 17:02.15 | xelapond_ | (and thanks for not going RTFM/GIYF) |
| 17:02.17 | xelapond_ | :P |
| 17:03.23 | amphi | xelapond_: what is hdc? |
| 17:03.39 | xelapond_ | My main hard disk |
| 17:03.44 | hoxu | amphi, ide master in second bus, western digital |
| 17:03.50 | xelapond_ | a 160 Gig western digital SATA |
| 17:04.28 | amphi | I would have thought a sata disk would be sdX |
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| 17:05.13 | hoxu | xelapond_, are you sure you don't mean PATA? |
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| 17:05.28 | xelapond_ | hoxu: Yeah |
| 17:05.33 | xelapond_ | I build the computer |
| 17:05.38 | xelapond_ | Its a SATA |
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| 17:06.42 | hoxu | xelapond_, right, do you have any IDE devices? |
| 17:06.55 | xelapond_ | yeah, I have one PATA DVD Drive |
| 17:07.06 | hoxu | hdc is that then |
| 17:07.12 | xelapond_ | oh, doh! |
| 17:07.19 | xelapond_ | Lemme unplug that |
| 17:07.21 | xelapond_ | just a sec |
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| 17:08.14 | xelapond_ | ok, booting |
| 17:08.42 | sylvain | Hello, why does aptitude install nvidia-glx keeps telling me nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 which is a virtual package. ? |
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| 17:09.07 | xelapond_ | hoxu: That didn't fix it |
| 17:09.12 | xelapond_ | Its still doing it |
| 17:09.12 | hoxu | xelapond_, what does it say now? |
| 17:09.14 | sylvain | There's no such package as nvidia-kernel-173.14.09, but I do have installed nvidia-kernel-source-173.14.09 |
| 17:09.18 | xelapond_ | hdc: lost interrupt |
| 17:09.27 | hoxu | xelapond_, what's in the second ide bus as master? |
| 17:09.57 | xelapond_ | I think the only two things plugged in now are my HD and other SATA DVD Drive |
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| 17:10.35 | hoxu | think? :) |
| 17:10.43 | aliumalik | is there any way to get a functional xserver without installing the xfonts-base package? |
| 17:10.52 | hoxu | xelapond_, hhrmh, well, you could try the "irqpoll" parameter for kernel |
| 17:11.12 | xelapond_ | ok |
| 17:11.46 | xelapond_ | last time I got this message I was installing gentoo, and it said hdc: lost interrupt when I tried to boot the minimal install all the SATA drive |
| 17:11.54 | xelapond_ | so I booted it off the PATA and it worked fine |
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| 17:12.22 | xelapond_ | ill try unplugging the sata |
| 17:12.26 | xelapond_ | and see if that does anything |
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| 17:13.35 | NBG | Could somebody recommend me a HowTo which explains to compile a kernel? I could just find some obsolete ones, which refered to directories that doesn't exist... I'm using debian etch |
| 17:14.24 | xelapond_ | NBG: I learned throught trial and errors:P |
| 17:14.30 | xelapond_ | did you look at HowToForge? |
| 17:14.36 | hoxu | !tell NBG about make-kpkg |
| 17:14.44 | xelapond_ | hoxu: It works! |
| 17:14.50 | xelapond_ | so it just hates my sata drive |
| 17:14.54 | xelapond_ | rrrr... |
| 17:15.22 | hoxu | xelapond_, why on earth are you getting lost interrupts for an ide device because of a sata drive? O_o |
| 17:15.31 | xelapond_ | I have no idea... |
| 17:15.40 | NBG | thx hoxu |
| 17:16.17 | NBG | xelapond: nope, I'll have a look |
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| 17:23.29 | infostar | Hola a todos |
| 17:23.38 | infostar | Saludos desde Sevilla españa |
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| 17:23.44 | Eulex | !es |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:24.16 | infostar | ok thank |
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| 17:24.36 | tonkar | hi all! i have a question to you :D! |
| 17:24.46 | Maulkin | Yay! We're so lucky! |
| 17:24.53 | tonkar | jaja |
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| 17:25.21 | tonkar | look ... i was running an application trough ssh when the connection ¿brought? |
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| 17:25.35 | tonkar | now i want the control of this application back |
| 17:25.46 | JyZyXEL | tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:30 htb rate 1kbit ceil 6mbit burst 15k |
| 17:25.52 | JyZyXEL | if you wanna make a sub class for 1:30 |
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| 17:25.57 | JyZyXEL | what would the next line look like? |
| 17:26.07 | Eulex | tonkar, the application was very likely killed when that happened, as it lost its terminal. learn to use screen. |
| 17:26.12 | JyZyXEL | what parent and classid? |
| 17:26.30 | JyZyXEL | damn lartc didn't have decent examples |
| 17:26.32 | tonkar | but when i reconnect to the same server, i see the pid running and my user connected but in pts/0 |
| 17:26.40 | tonkar | i when i reconnect i'm in pts/1 |
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| 17:27.03 | tonkar | Eulex: the pid is still running |
| 17:27.25 | tonkar | it is mplayer, and i still hear¿? the music |
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| 17:28.06 | tonkar | i thought with a command like fg but with the pid number ... |
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| 17:29.03 | Maulkin | retty? |
| 17:29.43 | tonkar | let's try |
| 17:30.09 | JyZyXEL | is there a channel for tc? |
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| 17:31.04 | tonkar | mmm ... retty worked, but not as excpected :D |
| 17:31.50 | tonkar | i think the pid was paused know it is running |
| 17:32.12 | tonkar | now i hear the music again from the position where it was paused |
| 17:32.23 | tonkar | but i don't have control over mplayer |
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| 17:32.42 | tonkar | i can't change the song |
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| 17:33.08 | tonkar | but .... thanks a lot for the tip, retty is cool |
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| 17:34.55 | ovm | hi |
| 17:35.02 | ovm | what can i do ? http://rafb.net/p/1FRGr040.html |
| 17:35.39 | tpcr | is there a way to log failed attempt openssh *passwords* ? |
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| 17:36.25 | simonrvn | they already are... /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:38.39 | Supaplex | why would you want to log the passwords? |
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| 17:39.39 | neighborlee | I installed etch xfce iso..installed hal in attempt to get autofs working, but atm its not working..ive googled and I see no current info on how to do this without messing with auto.master e tc.etc..is this the default way of doing it in etch ???? |
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| 17:39.49 | tpcr | simonrvn: only the usernames are logged there normally |
| 17:40.18 | tpcr | Supaplex: i want to log failed attempts because of attacks |
| 17:40.19 | tonkar | tpcr: passwords are and must be encrypted |
| 17:40.44 | Bushmills | neighborlee: /net and /smb are afaik coming up by default, /misc doesn't |
| 17:40.49 | Supaplex | most attacks just use common/simple passwords |
| 17:40.50 | tpcr | tonkar: well, when they reach the other end of a connection, they are decrypted in sshd anyway |
| 17:41.10 | tonkar | mmm ... |
| 17:41.11 | tpcr | so as to do the actual comparing with the valid ones |
| 17:41.17 | neighborlee | bushblows, how does that help me e xactly |
| 17:41.25 | tpcr | well i could always hack sshd to make it log them |
| 17:41.33 | tpcr | but i was wondering if there is a more official way |
| 17:41.48 | neighborlee | bushblows, , ill check debian documenation. |
| 17:42.00 | tonkar | look .... my english is bad, it will be hard to explain how passwords work |
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| 17:42.05 | Supaplex | tpcr: I know google has plenty on that topic. you're not the first to consider that for attacks. |
| 17:42.06 | troubled | neighborlee: ack, what you doin here? :) |
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| 17:42.18 | Pheagator | tpcr: hmm, i think you would have to hack some pam modules actually. |
| 17:42.22 | neighborlee | troubled, ack not much ;) |
| 17:42.22 | Bushmills | neighborlee: ah, sorry. ok. to answer your question - which is, default way, editing config files, i suppose it is "yes" |
| 17:42.27 | troubled | :) |
| 17:42.31 | Bushmills | hope that helps |
| 17:42.33 | Pheagator | tpcr: or better - write one. |
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| 17:42.51 | rgr | Could someone please tell me the name of the applet to add to the gnome panel which shows processes running such KDE Torrent? its vanished and I dont know how to get it back. |
| 17:42.58 | neighborlee | bushblows, thats better yes..and I dont mind, I was just trying to find a current etch way of doing this is all..checking docs |
| 17:43.14 | tonkar | tpcd: maybe try to autehtificate your users with plain-text passwords |
| 17:43.15 | tpcr | Pheagator: meddling with sshd wont be enough ? |
| 17:43.42 | Pheagator | tpcr: hmm, if you turn off pam authentication i think it may be enough. |
| 17:44.02 | tonkar | tpcr: the other think you could try is to write a program that simulate be a login prompt |
| 17:44.18 | tpcr | but disabling pam authentication wouldnt be bad for security ? |
| 17:44.25 | Supaplex | !honeypot |
| 17:44.25 | dpkg | methinks honeypot is see 'honey pot' |
| 17:44.26 | tonkar | i have done that before when i was in school, and worked perfectly |
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| 17:44.31 | Supaplex | !honey pot |
| 17:44.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, honey pot is A box that is set up specifically to attract crackers so that they can be observed. It is sometimes used on a network to pull crackers away from real servers. |
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| 17:44.45 | Bushmills | neighborlee: though a lot of configuration variables can be found in /etc/default |
| 17:45.15 | neighborlee | ic |
| 17:45.24 | ovm | what can i do ? http://rafb.net/p/1FRGr040.html |
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| 17:48.50 | dustybin | does the / partition get mounted into /root ? |
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| 17:49.16 | infinitycircuit | dusty, in what context? |
| 17:49.30 | Bushmills | dustybin: that'd be a very twisted logic, me seems |
| 17:49.38 | dustybin | its ok im getting mixed up |
| 17:49.48 | dusty | lol |
| 17:49.50 | dustybin | im building a LFS system |
| 17:49.50 | dusty | =] |
| 17:49.58 | infinitycircuit | dd |
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| 17:50.08 | dustybin | first you mount / then you create extra dirs inside the mount |
| 17:50.11 | infinitycircuit | you do mount / on /root as ro |
| 17:50.12 | dustybin | then mount the rest |
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| 17:50.20 | infinitycircuit | during the initramfs stage of booting |
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| 17:50.34 | infinitycircuit | it's easiest to mount / on /mnt/lfs or something |
| 17:50.51 | tulcod | dustybin: ehm, /root is just a directory in the filesystem |
| 17:51.02 | tulcod | dustybin: it could be a new partition, but it's not the same as / |
| 17:51.19 | Bushmills | but maybe #lfs does that differently :) |
| 17:51.28 | tulcod | no |
| 17:51.33 | tulcod | that's just FHS |
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| 17:52.02 | Bushmills | tulcod: that was my way of hinting that lfs questions may be better asked in #lfs |
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| 17:52.24 | tulcod | Bushmills: man, you must be controversial! |
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| 17:52.44 | pngwn | tulcod, and you must be off-topic |
| 17:53.05 | micols | /dev/cdrw , /dev/dvdrw , /dev/cdrom does not get created, any idea why? i got 2.6.25.10 kernel and udev running? and packet writing in kernel |
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| 17:53.22 | micols | /dev/hda exists, and is my cdrom, and i can mount it as iso9660 |
| 17:53.44 | micols | do i need hal for those symlinks? |
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| 17:54.39 | torroella | hello, how can I add the network-manager applet icon to the deskbar? |
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| 17:56.08 | tulcod | micols: you can just make a symlink, i don't know if there's a better solution |
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| 17:57.05 | torroella | how do I add the network-manager applet? |
| 17:57.24 | tonkar | torroella |
| 17:57.34 | torroella | yup :) ? |
| 17:57.52 | mackss | Has anyone ever wiped a whole box via ssh before? |
| 17:57.53 | tonkar | torroella: hi, which desktop manager do you currently use? |
| 17:58.00 | torroella | gnome |
| 17:58.39 | mackss | If so, I would appreciate it if you could help me with a few questions |
| 17:58.45 | tonkar | torroella: mmm ..., look, i can't try it know in my DM because i'm currently using kde |
| 17:58.46 | tulcod | mackss: if your question is if it's possible, then i guess so |
| 17:59.06 | tonkar | torroella: in gnome i think it is the same thing |
| 17:59.30 | tonkar | in kde you should first unlock the panel |
| 18:00.07 | tonkar | and then left-click where you wont put the applet and choose add an applet and search the applet you want |
| 18:00.34 | mackss | tulcod: yes. I have done it once before but cannot seem to find the directions for the procedure. Someone on Debian helped me a few years back and I saved the transcript just incase I ever needed to do it again but I cannot seem to find it. tulcod do you think you could help me a bit? |
| 18:00.42 | torroella | yes, the thing is I can not find the nm-applet in there. |
| 18:00.45 | torroella | Let me try something, brb |
| 18:00.50 | tonkar | the other thing you can try is maybe work with pretty cool widgets |
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| 18:01.17 | tulcod | mackss: first of all, don't ask to ask and don't ask if someone is familiar. just ask your question, it's the easiest way for us to give you an answer |
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| 18:01.33 | tulcod | mackss: the question is, what do you want to have "cleared"? |
| 18:01.34 | tonkar | you install/open gdesklets and search in google a pretty widget which gives you the info you want |
| 18:01.37 | mackss | tulcod: sorry i should be familiar with this. |
| 18:01.53 | tulcod | mackss: i think formatting a running partition is going to be a problem |
| 18:02.03 | mackss | tulcod: I would like to secure erase the whole drive. (all partitions) |
| 18:02.04 | tulcod | mackss: if you want to remove a file or two, it's not a problem at all |
| 18:02.15 | tulcod | mackss: do you have another drive, then? |
| 18:02.24 | mackss | tulcod: no |
| 18:02.44 | tulcod | mackss: the easiest solution (maybe not the fastest) would be to get a flash drive and put some OS on it |
| 18:02.53 | mackss | tulcod: this was an issue for me the last time however in the end I was still able to wipe everything off of the drive |
| 18:03.20 | tulcod | mackss: a possible alternative, i think, and i'm not sure if it works fine, would be to shred $(find /) |
| 18:03.20 | mackss | tulcod: i do not have physical access to the machine I can only shell |
| 18:03.58 | mackss | tulcod: the last time i did it i used "wipe -rcf /" i believe |
| 18:04.05 | tulcod | mackss: i'm 99% sure you cannot format the entire drive.... unless you add a new OS, which loads itself into ram and then does hte formatting |
| 18:04.31 | mackss | tulcod: also the last time i did it i also remember that i needed to unmount some tempoarary parition that was used to cache? |
| 18:04.37 | pipeline | tulcod, mackss : Rebuild your initrd with gnu shred included, then boot the initrd alone. |
| 18:04.51 | tulcod | pipeline: i was close :) |
| 18:04.58 | mackss | i do not need to reformat. only secure erase |
| 18:05.16 | tulcod | mackss: it'd be far easier and less painful if you just knew the files you want to erase |
| 18:05.24 | tulcod | intsead of the entire OS |
| 18:05.30 | mackss | with the goal in the end to render the HD useless other than reinstalling via physical access |
| 18:05.44 | pipeline | mackss: Yes. Add shred to initrd. Boot the initrd alone. |
| 18:05.46 | tulcod | mackss: then do what pipeline said |
| 18:06.04 | mackss | i don't understand :-/ |
| 18:06.09 | pipeline | mackss: Just running shred on the hard drive from userspace might work. At least, it will work until the device nodes become unavailable. You could mknod the appropriate device in a ramfs and shred from there. |
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| 18:06.25 | pipeline | mackss: It doesn't matter if you shred the application shred itself, since all those pages will be loaded into memory already. |
| 18:06.43 | mackss | right |
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| 18:06.48 | tulcod | mackss: did you ever do grub and/or kernel configuration? |
| 18:06.51 | mackss | thats why i was able to do it the last time |
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| 18:07.01 | mackss | tulcod: i don't think so |
| 18:07.04 | pipeline | I have shredded my booted copy of debian using shred before. It did eventually fail rather than finish, but I didn't give a crap, since it was shredded "enough" |
| 18:07.09 | tulcod | mackss: then it's a bit more work :P |
| 18:07.11 | pipeline | if assholes want to play games with dd_rescue, that's their problem. |
| 18:07.14 | mackss | everything is pretty much stock with stable distro |
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| 18:07.16 | mackss | etch |
| 18:07.32 | tulcod | pipeline: hey, can't mackss just set the init to /usr/bin/shred ? |
| 18:07.37 | tulcod | in grub.conf |
| 18:07.43 | pipeline | mackss: If you just want to be sure that it's unbootable and mostly garbage, you can just start shred. |
| 18:07.46 | tulcod | (/menu.lst) |
| 18:08.00 | pipeline | tulcod: Well, he would still need to rebuild the initrd with shred on it in that case. |
| 18:08.15 | tulcod | pipeline: shred is a userspace app... at leaste here it is |
| 18:08.16 | pipeline | mackss: You won't be 100% sure that 100% of the drive is garbage, but I can tell you that shred will get pretty damn far before it manages to render the system unrunnable :) |
| 18:09.13 | pipeline | mackss: just make sure that your CWD is /tmp or something ok ;) |
| 18:09.13 | tulcod | pipeline: so what's it with the "initrd wiht shred"? initrd is a part of the kernel, shred is a userspace app |
| 18:09.22 | pipeline | tulcod: initrd is not part of the kernel... |
| 18:09.36 | tulcod | pipeline: correct. it is a patr of the kernel |
| 18:09.37 | pipeline | tulcod: it's a filesystem image that gets loaded into memory, then mounted as root |
| 18:09.42 | tulcod | i know :-/ |
| 18:09.48 | mackss | well, if this makes sense. the last time i did it i was instructed by someone here to unmount some tempary partition (i think where virtual memory is stored) as well as disable it. Then i basically instrued wipe to -rcf both partitions and in the end (roughly 2 days later i was left with a bash prompt but wasn't able to use any commands because "they could not be found" or w/e |
| 18:09.50 | pipeline | tulcod: Then, when the initrd wraps up, pivot_root is used to change the root fs |
| 18:09.50 | Bushmills | mackss: assuming that the operating system on disk is debian (which is freely available anyway, so no need to hide anything there), wouldn't it be enough to, say, shred the contents of /home and /root and such? |
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| 18:10.08 | pipeline | tulcod: at any rate, it's certainly not part of the kernel. The initrd is filled with normal userspace applications. |
| 18:10.16 | tulcod | pipeline: eh? |
| 18:10.31 | tulcod | pipeline: initrd is a part (NOT "part of", but "a part of") of the kernel |
| 18:10.34 | pipeline | tulcod: the initrd is a filesystem image. It has normal binaries in it. You can add anything you want to the initrd as long as it doesn't get too big. |
| 18:10.40 | tulcod | ... |
| 18:10.43 | pipeline | tulcod: No, it in no way is a part of the kernel. |
| 18:10.52 | tulcod | for real? |
| 18:10.53 | pipeline | tulcod: the kernel is the kernel. The initrd is an initial ramdisk. |
| 18:10.57 | tulcod | man, i have to read up on initrd :P |
| 18:11.11 | pipeline | tulcod: the only reason that the initrd is rebuilt with your kernel is that it has kernel drivers on it :P |
| 18:11.26 | Winkie | tulcod: think of it as a temporary root directory which contains the information and drivers needed to get to your real root directory |
| 18:11.29 | tulcod | pipeline: i thought initrd was some vital parts of the kernel, plus filesystem support, and a small piece of code which loads the actual kernel off the disk |
| 18:11.33 | pipeline | tulcod: nope |
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| 18:11.41 | torroella | I could not :< |
| 18:11.54 | wols_ | tulcod: it only loads needed kernel modules |
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| 18:12.03 | tulcod | Winkie: well yeah, if it contains userspace apps, then that's pretty obvious |
| 18:12.12 | tonkar | did you try with gdeskltes |
| 18:12.12 | pipeline | tulcod: the initrd is a root filesystem with some basic binaries on it (bash, ls, init) and a set of kernel modules (hell, you can even stick ALL the kernel modules on it.) |
| 18:12.16 | tonkar | ? |
| 18:12.32 | pipeline | tulcod: once the initrd has finished running its scripts, it runs pivot_root in order to replace itself with the root fs on disk |
| 18:12.32 | tulcod | pipeline: okay then. so yes, initird built with shred, then run it :) |
| 18:12.32 | torroella | I want this: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2107/ss/EtchNetMgr(30).jpg , how can I install it? |
| 18:12.41 | torroella | The netowork-manager icon |
| 18:12.56 | wols_ | by instllin it |
| 18:13.02 | mackss | Bushmills: well I have had the box for some time so I would feel more comfortable shreding everything |
| 18:13.07 | wols_ | !tell torroella about search |
| 18:13.12 | tulcod | torroella: i don't use network-manager, but maybe it's just a right click on the bar, and then "add applet"? |
| 18:13.30 | torroella | tulcod: there is no network-manager applet in there. |
| 18:13.37 | torroella | wols_: I already installed it, I want the icon. |
| 18:13.42 | tulcod | torroella: is it running? |
| 18:13.42 | pipeline | torroella: You have to install network-manager-gnome |
| 18:13.50 | mackss | pipeline: shred > wipe ? |
| 18:13.52 | pipeline | torroella: You will probably need to restart your desktop, also. |
| 18:13.54 | tulcod | ah. stupid debian subpackages :p |
| 18:14.00 | pipeline | mackss: I don't know what wipe is. |
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| 18:14.13 | torroella | pipeline: network-manager-gnome is already the newest version. |
| 18:14.13 | tulcod | mackss: there's no real difference in your case |
| 18:14.20 | tulcod | mackss: the point is that any data you have will be made unreadable |
| 18:14.32 | pipeline | torroella: restart your desktop. |
| 18:14.37 | pipeline | torroella: i.e. logoff then log back in |
| 18:14.41 | torroella | pipeline: I did it already. |
| 18:14.46 | torroella | No results |
| 18:15.01 | pipeline | torroella: Then you're just not seeing the applet. Gnome names things really strangely. The applet might not be called "network manager" |
| 18:15.02 | mackss | ok |
| 18:15.08 | torroella | pipeline: I can run in a terminal, nm-applet and works, but if I reboot or log out, the icon dissapear |
| 18:15.20 | torroella | pipeline: I Know, is nm-applet |
| 18:15.23 | mackss | pipeline, tulcod, so basically i should just type "shred /" ? |
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| 18:15.37 | pipeline | mackss: no... shred your block device |
| 18:15.40 | stew | torroella: yes, all the programs you run are stopped when you logout or reboot |
| 18:15.48 | pipeline | mackss: e.g. shred /dev/sda |
| 18:15.53 | mackss | and then what? |
| 18:16.25 | torroella | stew: yeah, but is used to run automatically displaying all the wireless connections, and mine. |
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| 18:16.31 | tulcod | mackss: just executing that command won't be perfect, afaik. it will probably leave some data where it is |
| 18:16.41 | Bushmills | i'm just looking at docbookwiki.postrm, in there, for case purge, is: chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers ... that strikes me as a bit odd.. should remove scripts be allowed to simply change permissions of such files?? |
| 18:16.42 | et | while you're at it, shred /dev/null too |
| 18:16.42 | pipeline | tulcod: eh, it will get pretty damn far |
| 18:16.47 | tulcod | pipeline: agreed |
| 18:16.48 | stew | torroella: so your question is how to start a program when you login? |
| 18:17.01 | pipeline | tulcod: remember, the shred binary itself, the kernel, and the device are all in memory. |
| 18:17.08 | pipeline | tulcod: it doesn't matter what happens to the hard drive as long as that is the case :P |
| 18:17.15 | pipeline | tulcod: so unless his system starts swapping mid-shred, everything should be :coal: |
| 18:17.22 | stew | torroella: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 18:17.26 | torroella | stew: well there is other way. |
| 18:17.34 | torroella | To set the nm-applet in the bar |
| 18:17.34 | stew | torroella: ok |
| 18:17.44 | Bushmills | oh. forgot my question. had to see that operation in larger context. |
| 18:17.44 | mackss | pipeline, tulcod, http://rafb.net/p/rYnFPm19.html |
| 18:17.46 | tulcod | pipeline: hm, that could be. well, if he's that paranoid that he's shredding an entire drive, imo he will be looking for more security :) |
| 18:17.46 | torroella | I just don't remember, I have been searching for it. |
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| 18:18.03 | stew | torroella: there is some other way to run nm-applet other than running nm-applet? how do you know this? |
| 18:18.06 | tulcod | bbl |
| 18:18.10 | torroella | stew: http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/nmapplet.png |
| 18:18.20 | torroella | Not to run it, to keep it in the desktop bar |
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| 18:19.07 | dustybin | im trying to partition a 10gig disk but it will not let me use 10gigs of space not even close |
| 18:19.17 | dustybin | Disk /dev/hda: 10.1 GB, 10110320640 bytes |
| 18:19.24 | dustybin | 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19590 cylinders |
| 18:19.31 | dustybin | Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes |
| 18:19.35 | pipeline | mm |
| 18:19.36 | stew | torroella: in that picture, it is running |
| 18:20.01 | torroella | stew: is not my picture. |
| 18:20.30 | stew | torroella: if you want to know how to start nm-applet when you login, i'd suggest: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 18:21.12 | Foskasse | dustybin, have you try another dist? |
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| 18:22.37 | dustybin | Foskasse: its ok i think its my problem when using extended partition |
| 18:22.47 | torroella | stew: here is the answer: NM does not work with interfaces, listed in /etc/network/interfaces AFAIR. Your have to comment out the interfaces you want to be managed by NM. |
| 18:23.18 | stew | torroella: this is not true, you can read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian if you want to see what the restrictions are |
| 18:23.36 | vjoe | what is the command to configure the default applications (web browser etc)? I forgot |
| 18:23.40 | torroella | stew: It worked :) |
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| 18:24.00 | Bushmills | dustybin: 19590 * 516096 bytes are about 10 gigabytes |
| 18:24.05 | pipeline | mackss: b.) You want to shred the block device that the root fs is on. |
| 18:24.15 | pipeline | mackss: so if root is /dev/sda1, you want to shred /dev/sda |
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| 18:25.32 | mackss | pipeline: I am unsure where root is |
| 18:25.41 | pipeline | mackss: /etc/mtab will tell you |
| 18:25.44 | mackss | but /dev/sda1 sounds right |
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| 18:26.45 | mackss | bash: /etc/mtab: Permission denied |
| 18:26.57 | Foskasse | ââ¬â â |
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| 18:30.58 | dustybin | what tool would one use to perform a check on a hard drive? |
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| 18:31.52 | H2S04 | ls |
| 18:31.54 | H2S04 | erp |
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| 18:32.33 | simonrvn | !lart Foskasse |
| 18:32.34 | dpkg | teaches Foskasse the basics, including how to RTM |
| 18:32.52 | simonrvn | dustybin: SMART data stuff, fsck? |
| 18:33.15 | dustybin | simonrvn: what does linux use when you reboot so many times and it does a check? |
| 18:33.28 | simonrvn | fsck |
| 18:33.28 | maligor | fsck |
| 18:33.32 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
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| 18:33.41 | tulcod | dustybin: you can switch off that check using tune2fs |
| 18:33.42 | Nyle | fsck? |
| 18:33.52 | tulcod | ... if your filesystem is of type ext2/ext3/ext4 |
| 18:34.10 | Nyle | !ext4 |
| 18:34.10 | dpkg | i heard ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477). |
| 18:34.27 | dustybin | tulcod: i need to check |
| 18:34.36 | tulcod | Nyle: whatever :p |
| 18:34.51 | dustybin | i run: fsck /dev/hda and it says this |
| 18:34.53 | zophy[] | darn, debian, PHP Version 5.2.5-3, but no imap maodule ? |
| 18:34.54 | mackss | tulcod, should i use "shred -fu -n=25" |
| 18:34.54 | dustybin | /dev/hda: clean, 11/1235456 files, 77004/2468340 blocks |
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| 18:34.57 | simonrvn | you don't want to turn that off completely... |
| 18:35.07 | dustybin | but it didnt run through the blocks like it does on my other disks |
| 18:35.11 | simonrvn | hda what? |
| 18:35.18 | tulcod | mackss: seems like a bitch often to me |
| 18:35.32 | mackss | ? |
| 18:35.50 | tulcod | mackss: -n=25 means writing 25*the current amount of data on your disk |
| 18:35.53 | tulcod | mackss: and why -u? |
| 18:36.07 | mackss | ah, actually default appears to be 25 anyway |
| 18:36.25 | tulcod | mackss: well, depending on how paranoid you are, consider -n=5 :) |
| 18:36.28 | mackss | -u removes the files after overwriting |
| 18:36.38 | tulcod | mackss: yeah, but why do you need the files to be removed? |
| 18:36.46 | mackss | tulcod: lol ya 5 would be much quicker |
| 18:36.58 | mackss | tulcod: i suppose that doesn't matter |
| 18:37.01 | dustybin | i think my super block is corrupt :-( |
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| 18:37.23 | simonrvn | man the command ... |
| 18:37.27 | tulcod | dustybin: please give the output of fdisk -l /dev/mydiskhere (paste on http://rafb.net/paste) |
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| 18:38.04 | mackss | tulcod so i will do "shred -f -n=5 /dev/sda1" ? |
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| 18:38.17 | tulcod | mackss: that will only shred the first partition. but yes. |
| 18:38.35 | dustybin | http://rafb.net/p/Fv8r2l36.html |
| 18:38.39 | tulcod | mackss: but don't run that in a terminal... i guess |
| 18:38.46 | mackss | tulcod: thank you. then after that i should shred the other 3 partitions? |
| 18:38.47 | tulcod | mackss: you should rather do it in an initrd |
| 18:38.58 | tulcod | mackss: if you want to shred your entire disk, why not shred /dev/sda? |
| 18:39.01 | mackss | tulcod: i am not sure how to do that in initrd |
| 18:39.11 | tulcod | mackss: then read up on it :) |
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| 18:39.19 | tulcod | (cause i don't either) |
| 18:39.20 | mackss | tulcod: yes i would much rather just shred the whole thing |
| 18:39.50 | mackss | hrm ok. is that some sort of boot sequence? |
| 18:39.54 | tulcod | dustybin: seems like you have a problem indeed. is there any important data on that disk? |
| 18:40.04 | tulcod | mackss: read up on it :) |
| 18:40.06 | dustybin | tulcod: no data on it at all at the moment |
| 18:40.27 | tulcod | dustybin: then you can just start formatting all over again, if you have a good partitioning tool (like fdisk) |
| 18:41.00 | tulcod | dustybin: the superblock is just a sequence of bytes on your hdd |
| 18:41.06 | dustybin | tulcod: when i create partitions with fdisk, i can never get it to use the 10gigs of available space, it stops after ive created about 5gigs of partitions |
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| 18:41.24 | mackss | tulcod: I am at the moment. but my only concern is i ude initrd then there is no way for me to know how much was shredded or and i have to just trust that it happened |
| 18:41.44 | mackss | vs. keeping an eye on the shredding via ssh and how long |
| 18:42.12 | tulcod | mackss: true. but if you want to do that kinda stuff, things will get a hell lot more work |
| 18:42.35 | tulcod | mackss: also, again, if you're that paranoid, 1. maybe htere's a better way after all? 2. you could just try it locally first |
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| 18:43.52 | dustybin | should i use: fdisk /dev/hda or fdisk /dev/hda1 to create / format / fresh partitions ? |
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| 18:44.06 | mackss | tulcod: lol ya ok i suppose i will just try shreding /dev/sda |
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| 18:44.30 | tulcod | dustybin: fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 18:44.41 | mackss | i've individually shredded everything i could think of already |
| 18:44.53 | tonkar | infinitycircuit. ? |
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| 18:45.37 | tonkar | i have a question again |
| 18:45.41 | tonkar | xD |
| 18:45.52 | tonkar | i have a net with a router |
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| 18:46.44 | tonkar | but i can't ping localmachines directly |
| 18:46.46 | mackss | tulcod, pipeline, thank you for your time |
| 18:47.00 | wols_ | tonkar: ping from where? |
| 18:47.15 | tonkar | from a computer behind the firewall(router)+ |
| 18:47.43 | wols_ | you try to ping inside your lan and it doesn't work? |
| 18:47.49 | tonkar | yep |
| 18:48.00 | tonkar | i think it is a problem with routes |
| 18:48.03 | wols_ | what OS does the pinged machine run? what IPs are involved? |
| 18:48.17 | tonkar | all computers are debian |
| 18:48.40 | tonkar | and the route tables looks like : |
| 18:48.41 | tonkar | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:48.42 | tonkar | default 192.168.0.99 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:48.52 | tonkar | ahh ,,, |
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| 18:48.55 | tonkar | sorry |
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| 18:49.05 | tonkar | the net arquitecture is another way |
| 18:49.15 | tonkar | i have a wifi router connected to a switch |
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| 18:49.28 | tonkar | and this router passes trough a firewall |
| 18:49.30 | cusco_ | so you were pinging the wrong ip |
| 18:49.43 | tonkar | my firewall is 192.168.0.2 |
| 18:49.55 | dustybin | tonkar: when i created these partitions i was using +256M , +512M, +3000M etc why have i run out of space? http://rafb.net/p/1Nxnqt13.html |
| 18:49.56 | tonkar | nops :P |
| 18:50.20 | tonkar | the ip is correct |
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| 18:50.40 | tonkar | but the machine i want is connected to the switch, not to the wireless rouer |
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| 18:50.51 | osmosis_ | i just installed cacti for the first time. how do I setup my snmpd.conf file ? |
| 18:51.23 | tonkar | i think i should modify something in resolv.conf ? |
| 18:51.27 | tonkar | any idea what? |
| 18:51.56 | wols_ | tonkar: nothing if you have a decent router |
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| 18:52.10 | tonkar | it is a dlink |
| 18:52.14 | dustybin | is there a way to zero zero a HD even the boot blocks etc then put something fresh back onto it? |
| 18:52.31 | wols_ | dustybin: dd |
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| 18:53.07 | cusco_ | or shred |
| 18:53.12 | dustybin | wols_: does that zero the MBR block |
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| 18:53.53 | cusco_ | shred -n 0 -z /dev/something |
| 18:54.18 | wols_ | dustybin: yes |
| 18:54.24 | dustybin | excellent |
| 18:54.26 | tonkar | ADSL firewall/router 192.168.0.2 -> 192.168.0.[10,100] <- 192.168.0.100 WIFI 192.168.0.99 -> My Computer who wants to ping to 192.168.0.10 |
| 18:54.27 | dustybin | its time to zap |
| 18:54.43 | Bushmills | tonkar: resolv.conf won't be any help with connecting. is only used for resolving host names |
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| 18:55.01 | tonkar | ok .... yes, you are right ;) |
| 18:56.05 | dustybin | if any of you guys run a home server, this tool is ace |
| 18:56.07 | dustybin | http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:01.17 | Bushmills | dustybin: because your partition 5 uses all blocks you assigned to the extended partition |
| 19:01.41 | tonkar | Bushmills: any idea what can i do? is something that i should change in dlink router |
| 19:01.43 | tonkar | but what ? |
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| 19:02.02 | tonkar | i know you know :P |
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| 19:02.15 | wols_ | ask dlink |
| 19:02.33 | tonkar | i doesn't answers |
| 19:02.42 | tonkar | *it |
| 19:02.49 | Bushmills | tonkar: sorry, your problem description is like a puzzle, spread out over the channel history. it needs a detective to reconstruct from that what your problem is |
| 19:03.13 | tonkar | xD ... ok, again |
| 19:03.20 | Bushmills | so i have no idea how your setup looks like |
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| 19:03.46 | wols_ | Bushmills: evil |
| 19:03.53 | tonkar | ADSL firewall/router 192.168.0.2 -> 192.168.0.[10,100] <- 192.168.0.100 WIFI 192.168.0.99 -> My Computer who wants to ping to 192.168.0.10 |
| 19:04.28 | Bushmills | wols_: no, seriously., i was trying to backtrace to the point where he describes his setup, and i couldn't figure it out |
| 19:04.45 | wols_ | me neither. but I saw it's evil |
| 19:04.53 | tonkar | :P ... |
| 19:04.58 | comp | hello again, can someone tell me why php5 depends on apache prefork? I would like to use worker-style apache "version" ... |
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| 19:07.25 | osmosis_ | should I be using snmp version 2 or 3 ? |
| 19:07.39 | tonkar | i will try to explian it again: i have build a network. I have a firewall who is connected to a switch. To this switch i have connected a computer and a wifi-router who is |
| 19:08.00 | simonrvn | comp: thread safety |
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| 19:08.31 | tonkar | now, i want ping directly from a computer behind the wifi router to a computer who is connected to the switch |
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| 19:09.07 | Bushmills | tonkar, if describing the problem takes more than three lines, why not write it down, and give an URL to it |
| 19:09.41 | tonkar | Bushmills, maybe it takes more than three lines because my english is bad :S |
| 19:09.53 | comp | simonrvn: so php module is not thread safe? |
| 19:10.12 | tonkar | but ok ..., i will follow your advice |
| 19:10.13 | Bushmills | whatever the reason is. it helps us if the description is not cluttered over meters of log |
| 19:10.25 | simonrvn | no, the php stuff isn't threadsafe |
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| 19:10.41 | comp | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
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| 19:11.19 | AmritP | hello all, i've made some changes to my /etc/pam.d/login and the changes haven't taken any effect... |
| 19:11.23 | AmritP | any ideas? |
| 19:12.14 | stew | AmritP: what changes did you make? how did you try to test them? |
| 19:12.27 | simonrvn | they take effect immediately upon saving the file |
| 19:12.33 | AmritP | stew: i needed to get rid of that mail message thing |
| 19:12.49 | AmritP | and i even restarted my system and still no dice |
| 19:13.24 | AmritP | though it doesn't happen in my terminal, but in my ssh it does... |
| 19:13.34 | stew | AmritP: did you edit /etc/pam.d/ssh also? |
| 19:13.47 | AmritP | no i haven't |
| 19:14.00 | AmritP | i |
| 19:14.03 | AmritP | will take a look |
| 19:14.04 | stew | AmritP: well /etc/pam.d/login wouldn't affect ssh |
| 19:14.09 | AmritP | ahh |
| 19:14.25 | AmritP | i'll keep that in mind |
| 19:14.35 | tonkar | Ok |
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| 19:14.52 | tonkar | Bushmills: here is my try to explain my problem http://pastebin.com/d10464e3c |
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| 19:17.05 | AmritP | aha! |
| 19:17.10 | AmritP | thanks :) |
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| 19:18.29 | Bushmills | tonkar: it would probably make sense to assign to the wlan machines ip addresses from a different net. say, 192.168.0,0/25 to your lan, and 192.168.0.128/25 to wlan. or, 192.168.0.0/24 lan, and 192.168.1.0/24 to wlan, whatever. could be that the router simply doesn't know what interface to send packets to if both are in the same net. |
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| 19:20.50 | tuvTouch | grub2 used to work with lvm. now grub-install /dec/sda asks for modules, and --modules=lvm says "error: unknown device" |
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| 19:22.49 | tuvTouch | so how do I install grub on top of lvm? |
| 19:23.50 | tuvTouch | debian-installer uses lilo if boot is on lvm |
| 19:23.57 | tonkar | ok ... |
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| 19:24.28 | tonkar | and then it is solved ? :D |
| 19:24.39 | tonkar | i need to add an route too, or not? |
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| 19:25.40 | tonkar | ok ... i will try it, probabiñy i gegt disconnected |
| 19:26.00 | tonkar | ;) thanks |
| 19:26.03 | Bushmills | tonkar, yes. lan machines have to know that destiniation wlan uses wlan router as gateway |
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| 19:27.32 | Nyle | Bushmills, hi |
| 19:27.38 | Bushmills | hi Nyle |
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| 19:37.31 | osmosis_ | how should I configure my /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf file? |
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| 19:38.57 | Bushmills | wonders, if 8 bit make up open byte, does one nyle consist of 8 nils? |
| 19:38.58 | koeppea | is there a official update of pidgin available int the stable sources of etch? |
| 19:39.16 | Bushmills | one byte ... |
| 19:39.19 | koeppea | pidgin currently says that my client is outdated. |
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| 19:39.36 | koeppea | But aptitude upgrade shows no new version up. |
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| 19:44.54 | garotosopa | Is there a script that's called before the network is loaded? I want somewhere to place iptables rules. |
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| 19:47.08 | mohadib | pdgin icq works \o/ |
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| 19:49.54 | mmlj4 | garotosopa: you can try /etc/rc.local |
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| 19:51.25 | Bushmills | garotosopa: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 19:51.37 | garotosopa | Bushmills, mmlj4, thanks! |
| 19:53.11 | Bushmills | garotosopa: some like to add such commands to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:53.48 | Bushmills | do man interfaces, search for pre-up |
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| 20:28.48 | Vasistha | I'm considering installing lenny next week on a new computer, and am reading the debian-installer errata, seen at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 20:29.45 | Vasistha | The item that's really concerning me right now is the first: "Disk devices may change on reboot". There isn't any sort of link to a bug report or supplemental information, and I'm not sure how to determine whether this bad-looking bug will effect me. Recommendations for further reading anywhere? |
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| 20:32.59 | neighborlee | what utility do I use to find out what package a given header file ( blah.h) is in ? |
| 20:33.14 | neighborlee | as in packages that are 'not' installed I mean. |
| 20:33.17 | neighborlee | thx anyone |
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| 20:33.49 | abrotman | Vasistha: that'd be a udev thing |
| 20:33.53 | abrotman | !tell neighborlee about apt-file |
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| 20:36.16 | Bushmills | Vasistha: you might want to read about volume labels, and how to use them in fstab |
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| 20:37.12 | Vasistha | abrotman, Bushmills: ah, so the ultimate solution is to use volume labels, but the debian installer doesn't yet have an option to automatically set that up? Sounds like something I could probably manage :) |
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| 20:37.43 | wastro | anyone happen to know the package that lets python import qt? |
| 20:37.53 | wastro | i installed python-qt4 |
| 20:37.56 | wastro | but no luck |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | Vasistha: likely, but IIRC the installer doesn't reboot after install, so you could change that aftewards, but before reboot |
| 20:38.24 | abrotman | wastro: python-qt4-dev ? |
| 20:38.55 | Vasistha | abrotman: ah, how convenient! |
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| 20:39.47 | Vasistha | abrotman: I've been thinking of doing a test-upgrade on my current system. Would I likely experience the same problem with a dist-upgrade as I would with a fresh install? |
| 20:39.51 | wastro | let me try that abrotman |
| 20:40.10 | neighborlee | abrotman, so what works for packages not installed as well correct ? |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | Vasistha: doubt it .. i've not seen the issue you're talking about .. and i have a few lenny boxes |
| 20:40.24 | abrotman | neighborlee: yep .. also you can use packages.debian.org |
| 20:40.34 | dustybin | if i issue this command, where would the directory be created? |
| 20:40.36 | dustybin | mkdir -v ../binutils-build |
| 20:40.44 | abrotman | neighborlee: /msg dpkg search .. tons of things to try! |
| 20:40.46 | neighborlee | abrotman, yup I knew about online usage..ok thx appreciate verification.l |
| 20:41.11 | wastro | hm still no luck abrotman |
| 20:41.12 | neighborlee | abrotman, nice I wasn't aware of /msg dpkg ;) |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | wastro: what are you trying to do .. and what's the error ? |
| 20:42.05 | Vasistha | abrotman: hum. Well ya know ... I am going to guess that my laptop here probably only has one hard drive controller, since it only has one hard drive, and that even if I do try to boot from a usb stick, that usb stick will be the only /dev/sd[a-f] type of device ... so maybe I won't see any problem |
| 20:42.24 | wastro | abrotman: just run an amarok python script |
| 20:42.38 | wastro | ImportError: No module named qt |
| 20:42.48 | wastro | there's also this: sh: kdialog: not found |
| 20:43.05 | flower | does someone knows how I can enable rt2500 chipset in building a kernel? |
| 20:43.21 | abrotman | wastro: i wonder if amarok wants qt3 ? |
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| 20:44.04 | abrotman | thought amarok was packaged in all versions of debian |
| 20:44.06 | Vasistha | wastro: are you trying to compile some particular python package? |
| 20:44.10 | abrotman | wastro: is kdebase-bin installed ? |
| 20:44.28 | garotosopa | How do I redirect traffic from :8080 to :80 but still not allowing direct connections to :80? (preserving the original source address) |
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| 20:44.57 | Bushmills | Vasistha: actually, removing, reinserting usb storage bears the chance of the usb device not having the same sd[abcd...] device name, but again, usbmount also creates symlinks from make/model name to device. the feature is a bit hidden but enables by default. |
| 20:45.08 | abrotman | woohoo .. wx2.8 in unstable |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | garotosopa: different IPs? ask #iptables |
| 20:45.41 | dustybin | this is how one times stuff: |
| 20:45.44 | dustybin | time { ./configure ... && make && make install; } |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | is that a question or an answer ? |
| 20:46.06 | dustybin | abrotman: both :P |
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| 20:46.07 | Vasistha | Bushmills: well, if I am going to be booting from a usb device I certainly should not be removing/reinserting it! haha |
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| 20:47.02 | wastro | abrotman: python-qt3 seemed to fix it |
| 20:47.06 | wastro | thanks |
| 20:47.13 | abrotman | wastro: amarok is packaged in debian |
| 20:47.29 | wastro | the script has other dependencies |
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| 20:47.33 | wastro | outside of amarok |
| 20:47.36 | wastro | apparently |
| 20:47.39 | wastro | it's a user script |
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| 20:47.48 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 20:48.05 | wastro | lol I was wondering how long it would take to get one of those |
| 20:48.10 | wastro | sorry :) |
| 20:48.12 | Vasistha | !lol |
| 20:48.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:48.13 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 20:48.14 | Bushmills | Vasistha: yeah, you should be fine then. otherwise, it looks like this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215377221538112472.png , but i have changed the config so that the links are crated in the /media directory instead of their default location |
| 20:48.43 | wastro | alright thanks for the help |
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| 20:55.49 | flower | does someone knows how I can enable rt2500 chipset in building a kernel? |
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| 20:56.58 | amphi | flower: you could have module-assistant build the module for you |
| 20:57.36 | Vasistha | !m-a |
| 20:57.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 20:58.11 | dustybin | it all starts with binutils |
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| 21:00.22 | Pi3rrot | hi all |
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| 21:01.41 | Pi3rrot | i've got a problem, when i'm starting my Pc, i've got "unable to allocate mem ressources..." and it's locate to my graphic card who have shared memory. Anyone have a solution to this problem? |
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| 21:02.13 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 21:02.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
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| 21:02.41 | Bushmills | i'm observing a strange thing related to usbnet: my pda, running linux, is connected to my desktop via usb. when it is plugged in, usb0 interface is configured on desktop, and both machines share a tcp subnet. after that, the desktop cpu is just as idle as it was before - but its temperature goes up, by about 20 C. when i deconfigure usbnet, for example by turning off the pda, temperature drops again. desktop looks almost like it was very busy, while showing no |
| 21:02.44 | Vasistha | Pi3rrot: when did the problem start? |
| 21:03.17 | Pi3rrot | Vasistha, at the beggining of the boot |
| 21:03.23 | Pi3rrot | juste after grub |
| 21:03.50 | Vasistha | Pi3rrot: wrong context :) did it start yesterday? this morning? last week? Did it start after migrating to a new box? Just after installing? after an upgrade? |
| 21:04.00 | Pi3rrot | but the computer works fine, and opengl too, but i think i can have more memory whith the shared |
| 21:05.35 | Pi3rrot | Vasistha, just after an installation of lenny |
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| 21:10.00 | Vasistha | Pi3rrot: could this be it? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7917 |
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| 21:11.47 | Pi3rrot | Vasistha, yes it's that i have when i boot |
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| 21:12.38 | Vasistha | did you read the whole report? Particularly linus's long post ... looks like it is not important. |
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| 21:13.25 | Pi3rrot | i'm reading and trying to translate...... |
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| 21:15.26 | Vasistha | Pi3rrot: okay, I will give you a summary... |
| 21:16.14 | Vasistha | Pi3rrot: the kernel developers are aware of the problem, and they are working on it. However, it looks like -- since your system is WORKING fine, the warnings are not important for you. You can just disregard them. |
| 21:16.20 | Pi3rrot | Vasistha, so it is not possible i think... |
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| 21:16.46 | Pi3rrot | i have anderstand that :) |
| 21:17.28 | Pi3rrot | Vasistha, my turbocache is sleeping for a long moment |
| 21:17.33 | Pi3rrot | :( |
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| 21:18.22 | Pi3rrot | thank you for the post. bye |
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| 21:19.04 | huaxia | hello, my home network is based on a Linksys wrt54gs router with dd-wrt. It is running DNS/DHCP/Internet Gateway services. Normally it runs fine with my local server however when the internet connection is down. On the server side the login or other network connection to server becomes extremely slow (or time out). I even do not where should I start to debug. Someone can offer me some hints? |
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| 21:19.58 | huaxia | My server side uses openldap/nsswitch/pam.d for auth anyway. However, local ldapsearch responses very fast |
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| 21:20.12 | bolt | what can I put into /etc/network/interfaces to make an interface just be up on boot? as if it wasn't mentioned in that file and all I did was "ifconfig eth2 up" after boot? it's only used for vmware, and I don't want it to have an IP address |
| 21:20.33 | pehlert | Anyone here knows a way to get postgis support for pgsql 8.3 in lenny? |
| 21:20.49 | pehlert | Like backporting from sid? (no sure whether that is possible) |
| 21:20.53 | Vasistha | bolt: auto eth2 will make it come up automatically, but what are you bringing up? |
| 21:21.33 | Vasistha | bolt: oh .. heh .. maybe that's all you need, auto eth2, and then it will come up with no particular config? I dunno :) |
| 21:21.40 | Vasistha | try it and see! |
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| 21:22.15 | bolt | Vasistha: eth2... it's a regular NIC. I'm using vmware's bridged networking, and none of the virtual machines get any network response before I've brought the interface up. it doesn't seem to need any further adjustment, though. i'll try with auto eth2. thanks |
| 21:22.55 | abrotman | pehlert: isn't that in lenny already? |
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| 21:23.13 | hd|laptop | hello all |
| 21:23.13 | pehlert | abrotman: Unfortunately not, it's kinda insane |
| 21:23.21 | hd|laptop | how do i find out if an executable is bigendian |
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| 21:23.24 | hd|laptop | or littleendian |
| 21:23.30 | nido | I've installed debian 4.0-r3 on a sparcstation as a router because my old router got hacked. I've did an nmap on the machine as it is now and port '111/tcp' 'rpcbind' is open. What is it and can I shut it off? |
| 21:23.31 | pehlert | They have deprecated 8.1 in favor of 8.3 but not added the postgis packages yet |
| 21:23.33 | hd|laptop | or if the system is big or little endian |
| 21:23.36 | docmax | hello, how can i update the mime database? |
| 21:23.41 | abrotman | pehlert: 8.3 is in lenny and sid ? but only sid has the GIS stuff? |
| 21:23.52 | pehlert | Exactly |
| 21:23.53 | hd|laptop | nido: netstat -lnp |
| 21:24.08 | hd|laptop | nido: then you should be able to see the process listening to the port |
| 21:24.19 | hd|laptop | nido: you run a SAMBA server on the thing, maybe? |
| 21:24.20 | abrotman | pehlert: what's the actual package ? |
| 21:24.23 | nido | hd|laptop: yes. It is portmap |
| 21:24.23 | docmax | cause shared-mime-info in debian lenny is quite old |
| 21:24.35 | pehlert | abrotman: postgresql-8.3-postgis |
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| 21:25.23 | abrotman | !tell pehlert about ssb |
| 21:25.26 | abrotman | pehlert: good luck! :) |
| 21:25.33 | pehlert | Heh, thanks |
| 21:25.38 | nido | hd|laptop: this is vanilla 4.0-r3, happen to know from the top of your head what it's doing? |
| 21:26.35 | pehlert | abrotman: Wouldn't that mess up other packages as well? |
| 21:26.50 | pehlert | abrotman: I really don't want to have my system full of unstable stuff ;) |
| 21:26.56 | abrotman | pehlert: picky picky |
| 21:27.03 | Tramp | bolt: I'd say you declare it "manual" with a simple up command (up ifconfig eth2 up) |
| 21:27.04 | Bushmills | nido: nfs is using it, for example, thorugh portmap. service is also called sunrpc |
| 21:27.14 | pehlert | abrotman: Hum.. |
| 21:27.31 | abrotman | pehlert: you can try it and see what else it's going to try to install |
| 21:27.41 | bolt | Tramp: huh? |
| 21:27.41 | pehlert | Hum, okay |
| 21:27.50 | nido | Bushmills: The computer is only meant to be a router and run irssi. Think it is safe to remove portmap altogether? |
| 21:28.00 | Vasistha | hd|laptop: I might be wrong, but I expect that an executable that runs on a machine had better match the endianness of the machine running it! Or do you have an executable, and you don't know what machine it's for? |
| 21:28.03 | ericpersson | does a lot of you compile your own kernels or are you mostly using the ones available through repositories? for workstations in this case? |
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| 21:28.12 | Bushmills | nido: i'd say so, yes |
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| 21:28.26 | avu | ericpersson, I only compile my own kernel when I have to for some reason |
| 21:28.30 | Bushmills | nido: though you won't have nfs then |
| 21:28.31 | Tramp | bolt: man 5 interfaces, search for manual |
| 21:28.37 | avu | ericpersson, and these reasons are very rare nowadays |
| 21:28.41 | tulcod | ericpersson: if you can, avoid the trouble of compiling :) |
| 21:29.34 | Bushmills | nido: do rpcinfo -p on that machine, see whether you don't need those rpcs |
| 21:29.37 | ericpersson | good points, I have a custom compiled one now, but would like to try to move back to a stock one.. |
| 21:29.56 | milligan_ | I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers, after debian installs a new kernel ? |
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| 21:30.20 | Vasistha | ericpersson: I don't remember which factoids to bring up or what to quote, but the common knowledge nowadays seems to be that there is no compelling reason to load your own, because loaded modules run basically just as fast as internal ones, and a little loss in boot time is just not that bad |
| 21:30.27 | Dantix | hi, is the NBD code shipped with Etch suitable for a production environment? in my case I think to use it as shared storage device in a xen multi-domu box.. |
| 21:30.29 | miksuh | milligan_: use debian packaged nvidia drivers |
| 21:30.37 | nido | Bushmills: At the moment it only runs portmap, so I'll delete it. Considering my last server got hacked I'm going to lock this down as much as I can. Thank You. You too, hd|laptop |
| 21:30.39 | miksuh | don't install nvidia drivers using nvidia installer |
| 21:30.45 | ripdisk | where is the lenny net install download located? |
| 21:30.51 | milligan_ | miksuh, they didn't work. the nvidia drivers are blasting away perfectly :) |
| 21:30.53 | tulcod | miksuh: question. are THOSE reinstalled after a kernel update? |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | !tell ripdisk about d-i |
| 21:31.05 | abrotman | milligan_: until you update your kernel |
| 21:31.10 | abrotman | milligan_: or xorg |
| 21:31.30 | Vasistha | ripdisk: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:31.34 | miksuh | tulcod: if kernel gets uopdated those packages get too |
| 21:31.41 | tulcod | miksuh: okay, thx |
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| 21:31.45 | ripdisk | i need lenny, not etch |
| 21:31.49 | milligan_ | abrotman, which then confirms my question... that I have to reinstall the drivers after new kernel/xorg :) thanks. |
| 21:31.50 | ripdisk | etch doesn't work for what i need it for |
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| 21:32.07 | Bushmills | wonders how the server has been compromised if it was (supposed to) run(ning) irssi only, and other than that was just a router. |
| 21:32.21 | ericpersson | If i do a aptitude search kernel-image i get a lot of versions, which package should I go for, and how do I make sure it is repository maintained one? |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | milligan_: pretty silly way to do it .. |
| 21:32.31 | tulcod | Bushmills: maybe it ran ssh? |
| 21:32.45 | pehlert | abrotman: Phew, I was lucky :) No other debs from sid |
| 21:32.49 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:32.53 | pehlert | *deps |
| 21:32.56 | pehlert | Thanks a lot |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | !why is postgresql-8.3-gis not in testing |
| 21:33.01 | dpkg | postgresql-8.3-gis is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=postgresql-8.3-gis |
| 21:33.10 | abrotman | !why is postgresql-8.3-postgis not in testing |
| 21:33.10 | dpkg | postgresql-8.3-postgis is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=postgresql-8.3-postgis |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | silly alpha |
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| 21:33.28 | miksuh | tulcod: just activate Debian non-free and contrib repositories, then you can install nvidia drivers |
| 21:33.41 | Bushmills | tulcod: means, the list of services on it was incomplete. but, one probably doesn't sit at a router, using irssi locally. |
| 21:33.41 | Vasistha | ripdisk: did you look at the link I gave you? |
| 21:33.44 | miksuh | by default only main repository is in use |
| 21:33.46 | pehlert | lol, who actually uses alpha btw? :D |
| 21:33.50 | ripdisk | yeah i did i'm already dling it |
| 21:33.52 | ripdisk | thanks |
| 21:34.01 | pehlert | Stupid architecture issues |
| 21:34.15 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, of course, it depends on your architecture. What architecture are you using? |
| 21:34.57 | ericpersson | Vasistha: its a pentium m, so I guess i686 should be used.. |
| 21:34.58 | Bushmills | tulcod: also means that nido would know where to focus on with locking down the machine. and not focus on things which matter less. |
| 21:35.09 | Vasistha | ericpersson: yeah |
| 21:35.20 | Vasistha | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 21:35.33 | Vasistha | oh, oops ... I'm running a backported kernel :P |
| 21:35.57 | ericpersson | Vasistha: i have kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 21:36.12 | Vasistha | ericpersson: that is not in debian. |
| 21:36.15 | tulcod | Bushmills: let's hope he learned :) |
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| 21:36.34 | ericpersson | Vasistha: really? |
| 21:37.14 | Vasistha | ericpersson: are you using a distro that is based on debian? or an old sid snapshot? do you know what you're running? |
| 21:37.21 | Bushmills | tulcod: right. he's going to learn korean now, so that he can swear in style. |
| 21:37.35 | ericpersson | Vasistha: well, it is debian, installed it 3 years ago.. ;) |
| 21:37.38 | tulcod | lol Bush |
| 21:38.09 | Vasistha | ericpersson: oh dear, that is an insecure system! You should do a dist-upgrade to etch. Back up your system first, too. |
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| 21:38.29 | ericpersson | Vasistha: think I already did quite recently.. |
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| 21:38.40 | Vasistha | ericpersson: upgrade, or dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:38.58 | ericpersson | Vasistha: both, perhaps a bit longer since dist-upgrade but not more than 2 months.. |
| 21:39.21 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, let's look at something else: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:39.49 | ericpersson | Vasistha: 2.7-10 |
| 21:40.15 | Dantix | is the NBD code shipped with Etch suitable for a production environment? in my case I plan to use it as shared storage device in a xen multi-domu box.. |
| 21:40.40 | Vasistha | ericpersson: so you are running a testing/unstable system. Were you aware of this? :P |
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| 21:41.15 | ericpersson | Vasistha: yeah, well, I am.. its a laptop..so i figured it was best when i installed it and the stable one didnt work.. |
| 21:41.25 | ericpersson | Vasistha: at that time at least.. |
| 21:41.30 | sploodge | Hey all, how do I forward port 10000 to 80 on localhost? |
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| 21:42.10 | sploodge | s/forward/remap/ |
| 21:42.41 | Vasistha | ericpersson: ah, it is too bad you set it to "unstable" instead of to, e.g., "etch" -- the current stable might work just fine for you, but unfortunately your system has already been dist-upgraded to be using some testing/unstable packages. So does your /etc/apt/sources.list show that you are running testing, or unstable? |
| 21:43.13 | ericpersson | Vasistha: testing.. |
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| 21:44.39 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, that is good ... testing is going to be frozen pretty soon, so if it is currently working, you might actually be on a path towards migrating to stable! I would recommend changing the entries of "testing" in your /etc/apt/sources.list to read "lenny" It sounds like your system is doing basically alright, we should just see if we can get your kernel upgraded ... right now you're running a pre-etch kernel |
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| 21:44.50 | ericpersson | Vasistha: yeah, should have used the name.. :) |
| 21:45.24 | ericpersson | Vasistha: well, Im running a custom compiled now, but would like to get rid of it if it works.. |
| 21:45.34 | Vasistha | ericpersson: yeah, honestly, I wish the default behavior for the debian-installer was to set it up with the name. If anybody wants to upgrade their distro, they should definitely be aware of what they are doing |
| 21:46.12 | mohadib | is there a limit on how many loop back devices one can mount? |
| 21:46.14 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, of course, you can have more than one kernel installed on your machine, so you can try out a newer kernel and if it works, keep using it; if not, you can revert to your old one until you can get a newer one working. |
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| 21:46.46 | ericpersson | Vasistha: yeah, that I know, have a real bunch.. just not one that I know is repo-maintained.. |
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| 21:48.22 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, the current lenny kernel is 2.6.24-1. You might have to explicitly select it with aptitude in order to install it |
| 21:48.40 | Vasistha | ericpersson: what kinda lappy are you running, anyway? |
| 21:49.00 | ericpersson | Vasistha: I cant even see that version when doing aptitude search kernel-image |
| 21:49.08 | DustyDingo | hm, how can i set fluxbox as the default windowmanger started with 'startx' |
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| 21:49.35 | Vasistha | ericpersson: hum. Why don't you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list just to make sure everything's right? |
| 21:49.36 | DustyDingo | my problem is, if i run startfluxbox in .xinitrc the XSession script doesn't get loaded |
| 21:49.38 | ericpersson | Vasistha: its an inspiron 9300, getting old now.. |
| 21:49.57 | Foskasse | 1:20 para fazer anos!!! |
| 21:50.01 | DustyDingo | i managed to use fluxbox as a default without a .xinitrc, but can't remeber how |
| 21:50.03 | Vasistha | ericpersson: heh, before I got this thinkpad t42, I was using a 9-year-old compaq |
| 21:50.08 | caroch | hello. I have a computer with a freshly installed ubuntu. I'd like to "upgrade" to debian. How should I proceed ? (I know it's not guaranteed to work but I can live with that...) |
| 21:50.17 | ericpersson | Vasistha: thinkpad is the shit.. |
| 21:50.31 | Vasistha | caroch: uhm ... why didn't you just install debian in the first place? |
| 21:50.45 | caroch | Vasistha, short answer: because I couldn't |
| 21:50.50 | Vasistha | ericpersson: I know a great ebay dealer who sells factory refurbished thinkpads. |
| 21:50.56 | DustyDingo | hm, no one knows? |
| 21:51.34 | Vasistha | DustyDingo: somewhere in /etc there's a default wm entry in one of those files |
| 21:51.48 | ericpersson | Vasistha: seems the spam filters gets triggered when trying to paste it.. |
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| 21:52.12 | koeppea | DustyDingo, did you prepend exec ? |
| 21:52.14 | caroch | Vasistha, it's a windows box, I just installed the prepackaged andLinux, which is colinux+ubuntu. Now I'm happy with the colinux part but not with the ubuntu part. |
| 21:52.21 | Vasistha | DustyDingo: erm ... oh, that's /etc/X11/default-display-manager (not WM. hmm) |
| 21:52.25 | DustyDingo | koeppea: yes |
| 21:52.27 | koeppea | and have a valid bash bang? |
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| 21:53.16 | DustyDingo | Vasistha: hm strange, i got /usr/bin/X11/xdm there, but startx would run fluxbox directly |
| 21:54.06 | ericpersson | Vasistha: sorry for the delay, http://eric.persson.tm/sources.list |
| 21:54.08 | DustyDingo | koeppea: it starts fluxbox correctly, but then it won't run the XSession script as i said |
| 21:55.02 | ericpersson | Vasistha: Im thinking of getting the t61 in some model, but havent gotten around yet.. |
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| 21:55.21 | koeppea | DustyDingo, sorry. didnt read your prior message properly |
| 21:55.25 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, that looks good, maybe you just need to update again? And then search again? 2.4.24 ought to be there (although it may not be listed as 2.4.24-1) |
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| 21:56.00 | ericpersson | Vasistha: well, 2.26.24 you mean... |
| 21:56.13 | Vasistha | ericpersson: 2.6.24 |
| 21:56.15 | Vasistha | heh |
| 21:56.29 | ericpersson | Vasistha: kernel-image is the name, right?= |
| 21:56.46 | sploodge | linux-image |
| 21:57.14 | ericpersson | ahh, thats why.. |
| 21:57.14 | Vasistha | ericpersson: oh no -- as sploodge said, linux-image |
| 21:57.23 | nice88 | Hi do i need to add a group to use network manager i installed but hoy do i run it |
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| 21:57.34 | ericpersson | Vasistha: I got a linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 21:58.00 | sploodge | 2.6.24 hates my computer, so I use 2.6.18 ;) |
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| 21:58.13 | Vasistha | ericpersson: great, although it might be possible to find a 2.6.24-686 that would update if there was a move to 2.6.24-2 or whatever |
| 21:58.42 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:58.45 | ericpersson | Vasistha: ahh, thats what linux-image-2.6-686 is for? |
| 21:59.02 | abrotman | you can even go linux-image-686 |
| 21:59.27 | ericpersson | abrotman: will try that.. |
| 21:59.40 | ericpersson | abrotman: although I guess 2.8 is a bit away.. |
| 21:59.54 | caroch | so what should I do to replace ubuntu with debian ? I guess I have to replace some files under /etc/apt, is that right ? which ones and how ? I don't know aptitude (I am used to fedora) |
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| 22:00.19 | Vasistha | sploodge: that's too bad. I remember I used to have to roll my own kernel because of an incompatibility that I was able to fix. |
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| 22:00.29 | nice88 | Anyone? |
| 22:00.43 | sploodge | Vasistha, I can't even fix the bug, heh. |
| 22:00.55 | Vasistha | !tell caroch about sources.list |
| 22:00.57 | ericpersson | Vasistha: the kernel 2.6.24 doesnt show up in the grub menu.. |
| 22:01.13 | sploodge | ericpersson, did you update GRUB? |
| 22:01.21 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, have you installed it yet? When you install it, it should run a grub update that will put it there |
| 22:01.22 | ericpersson | sploodge: update? |
| 22:01.38 | sploodge | ericpersson, what GRUB do you run? 1 or 2? |
| 22:01.39 | caroch | Vasistha, thanks |
| 22:01.57 | torroella | I have the same problem nice88 |
| 22:01.59 | Vasistha | nice88: well, it might already be running: pgrep -l NetworkManager (case sensitive!!) |
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| 22:02.07 | ericpersson | Vasistha: yes, aptitide install linux-image-686 |
| 22:02.15 | torroella | Does anyone knowsh how can I run network-manager? do I need to add me in any group? |
| 22:02.22 | ericpersson | sploodge: grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 22:02.32 | sploodge | ericpersson, I don't know then, I run GRUB2 ;) |
| 22:02.44 | ericpersson | i see.. |
| 22:02.54 | sploodge | Check your menu.lst. |
| 22:02.56 | Vasistha | ericpersson: well, update-grub should be in root's $PATH |
| 22:02.57 | ericpersson | sploodge: whats the benefit? |
| 22:03.06 | ericpersson | Vasistha: will try that.. |
| 22:03.12 | sploodge | ericpersson, I just like cutting edge software, that's all... |
| 22:03.25 | abrotman | nice88: i'm sure it has documentation in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 22:04.44 | ripdisk | ok i'm getting really, really fed up here.. |
| 22:04.59 | ripdisk | i can't use etch because it doesn't have my video driver, so you guys tell me to upgrade |
| 22:05.09 | ripdisk | but the upgrade breaks my system, and makes it to where i have to re install etch |
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| 22:05.20 | ripdisk | you guys tell me to update again, and it does the same thing |
| 22:05.21 | sploodge | ripdisk, what driver do you need? |
| 22:05.24 | Vasistha | sucky |
| 22:05.30 | ripdisk | so then i download the lenny installer |
| 22:05.32 | ripdisk | and it won't even install |
| 22:05.43 | ripdisk | i just need DRI support for my ati card |
| 22:05.44 | darthanubis | I just installed Lenny |
| 22:05.48 | ericpersson | Vasistha: it faulty says my root is at /dev/hda3 |
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| 22:06.01 | darthanubis | trying to get it to use my zd1211 usb wifi |
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| 22:06.11 | darthanubis | it won't for some odd reason |
| 22:06.12 | chant | anyone know how to get old packages? |
| 22:06.13 | ripdisk | so if i can't upgrade, and i can't install it |
| 22:06.15 | sploodge | ripdisk, flgrx? |
| 22:06.18 | ripdisk | yes |
| 22:06.26 | chant | the current version of audacious is borked. I reported a bug, but I want a usable version of the packeg. |
| 22:06.28 | Lectus | Hello! I installed virtualbox-ose, but ti says I need to run modprobe vboxdrv, but I've tried and isn't working. |
| 22:06.30 | chant | package. |
| 22:06.31 | Lectus | any idea? |
| 22:06.32 | ripdisk | now my system is broken though |
| 22:06.42 | ripdisk | it half way upgraded to lenny |
| 22:06.43 | ripdisk | and then broke |
| 22:06.48 | Vasistha | darthanubis: have you searched on google.com/linux for the card / chipset? linux support for usb-based wifi cards is dubious |
| 22:07.00 | sploodge | ripdisk, you can't install the one from ATI's website? |
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| 22:07.04 | Vasistha | !tell ripdisk about enter |
| 22:07.14 | sploodge | ripdisk, sorry, I actually use NVIDIA ;) |
| 22:07.26 | ripdisk | ok |
| 22:07.30 | ripdisk | that doesn't really help me though |
| 22:07.31 | lilkid | trying to run "net sam createbuiltingroup users" and i get an error- creating users failed with NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED.. what might cause that? |
| 22:07.39 | darthanubis | Vasistha, I have been using this card for almost a year now, in linux, with no ndiswrapper |
| 22:07.46 | ripdisk | i'm just trying to USE this OS |
| 22:07.48 | Vasistha | there are other people trying to have conversations in here, other people have problems too, and it's really annoying when the screen scrolls so much |
| 22:07.48 | sploodge | I don't know how ATI does their package thing. |
| 22:07.52 | ripdisk | and it won't even function as useable for me |
| 22:08.06 | ripdisk | everyone here keeps telling me to do the same thing |
| 22:08.08 | ripdisk | reinstall and upgrade |
| 22:08.10 | ripdisk | but every time i do that |
| 22:08.15 | ripdisk | it breaks my system and i have to reinstall again |
| 22:08.24 | sploodge | ripdisk, what happens when you install the package? |
| 22:08.28 | chant | No ideas on how to get the previous version of a package? |
| 22:08.29 | ripdisk | what package man |
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| 22:08.37 | sploodge | ripdisk, the driver. |
| 22:08.46 | ripdisk | there are a bunch of broken deps that someone told me i have to upgrade for |
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| 22:08.55 | ericpersson | what to do when update-grub thinks the root should be /dev/hda3 when it really should be /dev/sda3, my device.map file shows hd0 to be /dev/sda |
| 22:09.01 | Vasistha | ericpersson: strange. hum. I've never really looked at the update-grub script in depth. You could probably manually fix your menu.lst |
| 22:09.02 | sploodge | ripdisk, is this a deb? |
| 22:09.11 | ripdisk | what do you mean |
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| 22:09.20 | sploodge | ripdisk, a .deb package. |
| 22:09.26 | ripdisk | i use apt get |
| 22:09.33 | sploodge | Ah. |
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| 22:09.37 | Vasistha | ripdisk: did you do "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"? |
| 22:09.38 | sploodge | ripdisk, what's your card model? |
| 22:09.40 | ripdisk | dude i'm not trying to install any packages what are you talking about |
| 22:09.49 | ripdisk | i did dist-upgrade |
| 22:09.51 | ripdisk | i followed your instructions |
| 22:09.52 | ericpersson | Vasistha: yeah, perhaps thats easiest.. |
| 22:09.54 | ripdisk | i read about it |
| 22:09.58 | sploodge | ripdisk, using apt-get is installing packages... |
| 22:09.58 | frosty2 | anyone here know how to edit the xfce menu? |
| 22:10.01 | ripdisk | did everything i was supposed to |
| 22:10.04 | frosty2 | with a gui? |
| 22:10.05 | ripdisk | and it did not upgrade |
| 22:10.19 | Vasistha | ripdisk: well you PLEASE lay off the enter key. there are other people who also have problems, you are not the only person in the universe with troubles ;) |
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| 22:10.38 | sploodge | ripdisk, what model is your card? |
| 22:10.49 | ripdisk | Vasistha, i'm just frustrated that eveyrone keeps telling me the same thing over and over and nothing changes |
| 22:10.52 | vadmeste | lilkid: wait here a while, then try #samba |
| 22:10.52 | ripdisk | so i'm sorry |
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| 22:11.04 | ripdisk | sploodge, it's too late for that |
| 22:11.10 | ripdisk | i just need to get my system working first |
| 22:11.25 | sploodge | Don't we all want an apt-get rollback ;) |
| 22:11.52 | chant | yes! |
| 22:11.52 | chant | :) |
| 22:12.01 | ripdisk | i just want debian to work |
| 22:12.01 | ice63 | jest reinstall lol |
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| 22:12.06 | ripdisk | dude |
| 22:12.11 | frosty2 | anyone here know how to set it in alsa so that whatever is playing on my system is the capture? |
| 22:12.12 | ripdisk | i reinstalled THREE TIMES |
| 22:12.12 | Vasistha | ripdisk: yeah, we've all been frustrated. we've all pulled our hair out over broken systems. and sometimes the expert help you need just isn't around the channel when you need them most. |
| 22:12.21 | lilkid | vadmeste: :P thanks |
| 22:12.24 | frosty2 | I want to share a sermon over teamspeak. |
| 22:12.28 | ericpersson | well, will reboot and try the stock kernel, thanks for all the help so far. BRB... |
| 22:12.28 | sploodge | ripdisk, 4 times now, eh? |
| 22:12.45 | ripdisk | why would i do it a fourth time |
| 22:12.47 | Vasistha | frosty2: "the capture"? what is doing this capturing? |
| 22:12.51 | ripdisk | it's going to be the same thing |
| 22:12.55 | ripdisk | it's not going to change |
| 22:13.00 | sploodge | ripdisk, well, Etch worked, no? |
| 22:13.07 | ripdisk | yeah, but etch did not have what i needed |
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| 22:13.15 | amphi | ripdisk: do just a base install of stable, and then dist-upgrade, and thereafter install what you want, perhaps |
| 22:13.21 | sploodge | !tell ripdisk about backports |
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| 22:13.30 | frosty2 | Vasistha, basically i just want whatever is on my system playing to be considered the "mic" |
| 22:13.35 | ripdisk | amphi, seriously, that's what i've done 3 times ok? |
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| 22:13.41 | stew | ripdisk: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 22:13.52 | caroch | where can I download debian's /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ? |
| 22:13.54 | ripdisk | i'm just trying to get my system to work, stew. |
| 22:13.56 | frosty2 | Vasistha, so they can here what i hear |
| 22:13.57 | sploodge | ripdisk, read about backports. |
| 22:13.59 | stew | ripdisk: what is wrong with it? |
| 22:14.04 | amphi | ripdisk: I've done exactly that several times recently without problems |
| 22:14.06 | ripdisk | i can't install lenny and updating breaks my system |
| 22:14.19 | stew | ripdisk: what makes you say it breaks your system? |
| 22:14.24 | amphi | ripdisk: on different machines, BTW ;) |
| 22:14.29 | Vasistha | frosty2: I bet there is a really elegant way to do that with alsa, but I certainly don't know how. You might ask #alsa |
| 22:14.30 | stew | ripdisk: is there some error message you are getting that you can show us? |
| 22:14.41 | ripdisk | i've fresh installed, changed the sources.list to lenny, and then did apt-get update and then dist-upgrade |
| 22:14.45 | ripdisk | and each time |
| 22:14.50 | ripdisk | it freezes at the end of the upgrade |
| 22:14.59 | ripdisk | and says something like post installation script error 1 |
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| 22:15.09 | stew | ripdisk: show us the exact error ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:15.09 | ripdisk | it does the same thing each time |
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| 22:15.13 | sploodge | ripdisk, stop upgrading, then? |
| 22:15.15 | ripdisk | i can't show you the error |
| 22:15.20 | Vasistha | caroch: there are several packages called keyring |
| 22:15.22 | stew | ripdisk: then we can't help you fix it |
| 22:15.24 | ripdisk | sploodge, i have to upgrade for my graphics card |
| 22:15.32 | sploodge | ripdisk, backports. |
| 22:15.49 | ripdisk | ok what does that have to do with anything |
| 22:15.50 | stew | ripdisk: you have to upgrade the kernel or x drivers? |
| 22:15.57 | ripdisk | x drivers |
| 22:15.59 | Vasistha | caroch: debian-archive-keyring or debian-keyring is probably the one you want, doesn't hurt to have both afaik |
| 22:16.09 | caroch | Vasistha, thanks |
| 22:16.10 | stew | ripdisk: then no, you can't easily use backports |
| 22:16.16 | ripdisk | but now i'm not even worried about them |
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| 22:16.17 | sploodge | ripdisk, because backports might have the missing dependencies. |
| 22:16.17 | stew | ripdisk: what is the error you are trying to fix? |
| 22:16.26 | stew | sploodge: no, they wouldn't |
| 22:16.31 | ripdisk | stew, it half way upgraded to lenny |
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| 22:16.36 | ripdisk | and half way didn't |
| 22:16.40 | sploodge | Actually, what are the dependencies? |
| 22:16.48 | ice63 | if it was me i jest install the kernel |
| 22:17.03 | stew | ripdisk: half way didn't what? |
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| 22:17.10 | sploodge | cacaxine is fun ;) |
| 22:17.25 | ripdisk | half of my system is lenny and the other half is etch |
| 22:17.30 | Vasistha | caroch: good luck! I am off for the evening |
| 22:17.36 | ripdisk | it froze at the post installation script |
| 22:17.39 | stew | ripdisk: "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" to finish upgrading then |
| 22:17.44 | stew | ripdisk: which post installation script? |
| 22:17.53 | ripdisk | let me try the -f thing first |
| 22:17.55 | caroch | Vasistha, thanks, I'll need it |
| 22:18.01 | frosty2 | Vasistha, thx for the help |
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| 22:18.25 | grimrider | whats the current kernel version? |
| 22:18.49 | abrotman | in what? |
| 22:18.56 | grimrider | lenny. sry |
| 22:18.57 | sploodge | ripdisk, have you even tried using the official ATI driver? |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | grimrider: .24 |
| 22:19.09 | ripdisk | yeah |
| 22:19.12 | ripdisk | it doesn't support DRI |
| 22:19.16 | Vasistha | frosty2: heh, can't say I did much, but good luck. caroch: stick around, I bet other people here will be happy to help you. And I think you should probably go for "lenny", the testing version, because chances are the ubuntu install has packages newer than those in "etch" which will not be easy to downgrade |
| 22:19.17 | ripdisk | or something |
| 22:19.19 | sploodge | ripdisk, why wouldn't it? |
| 22:19.22 | ripdisk | no idea |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | ripdisk: which device/card? |
| 22:19.25 | ripdisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.29 | grimrider | thank you |
| 22:19.29 | ripdisk | do i still install the new one? |
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| 22:19.40 | sploodge | ripdisk, no. |
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| 22:19.47 | ripdisk | why not |
| 22:19.50 | abrotman | ripdisk: which device/card? |
| 22:19.55 | ripdisk | hold on |
| 22:20.16 | ripdisk | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP] |
| 22:20.41 | sploodge | Ooh, fbxine and X is a no-no. |
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| 22:24.16 | ripdisk | this is driving me crazy |
| 22:24.20 | ripdisk | nothing at all will work for me |
| 22:24.42 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 22:24.44 | ripdisk | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 22:24.44 | ripdisk | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
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| 22:24.52 | ripdisk | but i am root |
| 22:24.59 | Caemyr | my etch image uses gcc 4.1.1 |
| 22:25.01 | caroch | urk, so I try to install debian-keyring and I get "Setting up debian-archive-keyring (2008.04.16+nmu1)", followed by "ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring", followed by "Is the ubuntu-keyring package installed?", at which point dpkg fails. urk. |
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| 22:25.18 | Caemyr | is there any way to update it to 4.1.2 within the package system? |
| 22:26.16 | Bushmills | ripdisk: check whether your disk is full, or read only |
| 22:26.24 | ripdisk | it's neither |
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| 22:26.29 | ripdisk | i have 80 gigs of space |
| 22:26.32 | ripdisk | and have never had that error |
| 22:26.35 | zinx | caroch: are you using ubuntu? (if so, try #ubuntu) |
| 22:26.41 | stew | ripdisk: what comand gave you that error? |
| 22:26.41 | Bushmills | well, you have it now |
| 22:26.50 | ripdisk | aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
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| 22:27.05 | stew | ripdisk: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:27.26 | ripdisk | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:27.26 | caroch | zinx: I'm trying to "upgrade" ubuntu to debian |
| 22:27.34 | zinx | caroch: you can't do that |
| 22:27.38 | stew | caroch: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:27.42 | zinx | ripdisk: do you have another package manager open? |
| 22:27.47 | ripdisk | no. |
| 22:27.51 | caroch | zinx: well, yes I can try. some people reportedly were able to do it. |
| 22:27.53 | zinx | ripdisk: you sure? |
| 22:28.08 | stew | zinx: i'm sure he doesn't, or else the error would have been different |
| 22:28.10 | ripdisk | pretty sure man. |
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| 22:28.29 | zinx | stew: ah, it's always given the 'can't lock directory' or such for me |
| 22:28.34 | stew | zinx: yes |
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| 22:28.52 | ripdisk | this is starting to make me want to give up |
| 22:28.59 | Foskasse | quase quase quase a fazer anos!!! :D :D :D |
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| 22:29.24 | stew | ripdisk: the problem is that for some reason, linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 is queued for reinstall, but it cannot be reinstalled becuaes it is no longer in your package cache, and your sources are pointing to lenny and lenny doesn't have that pacakge |
| 22:29.44 | ripdisk | so what do i do. |
| 22:29.52 | ericpersson | sweet, got my stock repo kernel to work.. ;) |
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| 22:30.38 | stew | ripdisk: you can try to "Cancel pending actions" in the aptitude menu to try to get it to not try to reinstall, or you can add etch sources so that it can reinstall the kernel |
| 22:31.00 | ripdisk | i just added etch |
| 22:31.04 | ripdisk | and it won't reinstall |
| 22:31.07 | ripdisk | it gives the same error |
| 22:31.53 | stew | ripdisk: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:33.23 | ripdisk | http://pastebin.com/m4e6c96a5 |
| 22:33.44 | stew | ripdisk: you don't have any etch sources |
| 22:33.47 | jota-_ | hey I'm trying to setup a NAT with iptables and its only working for computers on the same subnet as the NAT router... it doesnt work for machines that get to the NAT through another router.... for example the NAT router's IP is 10.0.0.1/24 if I try to use it from 10.0.0.2/24 it works fine, but from 10.0.1.1/24 it doesnt... the packets DO get to the NAT router and they DO get forwarded to the rigth interface, but the source field of the packets remains unchanged |
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| 22:34.33 | ripdisk | stew: yeah. i forgot to save in nano. |
| 22:34.38 | ripdisk | my bad. |
| 22:35.12 | stew | ripdisk: you also have to run 'aptitude update' or 'apt-get update' after editing sources.list |
| 22:35.49 | ripdisk | yeah, taken care of |
| 22:35.59 | ripdisk | ok |
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| 22:36.05 | ripdisk | it downloaded that kernel, stew |
| 22:36.06 | ripdisk | now what |
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| 22:36.28 | stew | ripdisk: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 22:36.36 | ripdisk | i guess i'm trying to upgrade to lenny |
| 22:37.17 | stew | ripdisk: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:37.27 | ripdisk | yeah |
| 22:37.28 | ripdisk | when i do that |
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| 22:37.34 | ripdisk | it gives me the same error each time |
| 22:37.40 | stew | ripdisk: show us the error |
| 22:37.58 | ripdisk | ok well give it awhile to download everything again for like the 4th time |
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| 22:38.54 | stew | ripdisk: why do you have to download something to show me the error? |
| 22:39.06 | ripdisk | because the error is at the end of the update |
| 22:39.14 | ripdisk | it does everything and THEN gives me an error |
| 22:39.15 | Bushmills | jota-_: what does iptables -t nat -nL | grep MASQ on the router give as output? |
| 22:39.33 | zophy[][] | what plays flac audio files |
| 22:39.35 | zophy[][] | ? |
| 22:40.16 | ripdisk | stew |
| 22:40.19 | ripdisk | this is just part of my problem |
| 22:40.28 | ripdisk | my REAL problem, the reason i want to upgrade, is for DRI |
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| 22:40.31 | stew | ripdisk: if its an error in one of the postinst scripts "dpkg --configure -a" would give the error without downloading anything |
| 22:40.39 | IronRage | question |
| 22:40.40 | IronRage | so |
| 22:40.43 | IronRage | i downloaded a browser |
| 22:40.46 | IronRage | installed with wine |
| 22:40.53 | ripdisk | i tried that and nothing came up |
| 22:40.53 | IronRage | now when i go to run it it does the starting up thing |
| 22:40.55 | stew | !tell IronRage about enter |
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| 22:40.56 | ripdisk | so i'll just do it again |
| 22:40.58 | IronRage | but then it doesn't ever finish open |
| 22:41.29 | IronRage | so any ideas? |
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| 22:41.50 | abrotman | a browser in wine ? |
| 22:41.55 | IronRage | ya abrotman |
| 22:41.58 | IronRage | its designed for windows |
| 22:42.02 | IronRage | a .exe |
| 22:42.03 | ripdisk | .. |
| 22:42.05 | IronRage | so i used wine |
| 22:42.06 | abrotman | which browser? and why? |
| 22:42.10 | ripdisk | rofl |
| 22:42.13 | IronRage | a browser for aspergers |
| 22:42.20 | stew | IronRage: stop hitting enter so often |
| 22:42.20 | IronRage | and because i wanna test it? |
| 22:42.30 | IronRage | stew, i'm sorry its a habbit |
| 22:42.35 | IronRage | i'll spank myself later or something :) |
| 22:42.47 | Bushmills | hehe, abrotman has also a habit, |
| 22:42.57 | Nyle | everyone has a habit |
| 22:43.04 | ripdisk | i smoke crack |
| 22:43.06 | ripdisk | no jk |
| 22:43.09 | abrotman | Bushmills: not like that |
| 22:43.13 | IronRage | crack is nice |
| 22:43.17 | Supaplex | I'm addicted to O2 |
| 22:43.30 | ice63 | ripdisk: ok |
| 22:43.43 | ripdisk | i was kidding |
| 22:43.44 | abrotman | IronRage: off hand .. i'd say to ask #winehq |
| 22:43.50 | ice63 | lol |
| 22:43.52 | IronRage | k |
| 22:43.57 | ripdisk | no crack for me |
| 22:43.58 | ripdisk | only bud. |
| 22:44.00 | ripdisk | anyway |
| 22:44.16 | ripdisk | i tried to do what you said stew but no error was shown that way |
| 22:44.18 | Bushmills | ripdisk: abrotman's habit is kicking people :) |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | uh |
| 22:44.28 | Nyle | when? |
| 22:44.32 | IronRage | ok abrotman |
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| 22:45.00 | Nyle | he maybe a prick but i've not seen him unneccesserily kick anyone |
| 22:45.08 | Nyle | ;) |
| 22:45.10 | Nyle | hides |
| 22:45.37 | Joelito | hi all, what package of debian I must download to get the menu entry: System>Administration>Services |
| 22:45.51 | Nyle | Joelito, 'menu' ? |
| 22:46.02 | IronRage | Joelito, root or something? |
| 22:46.10 | Nyle | Joelito, depends on if you mean the debian menu or gnome/kde menu |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | Joelito: in gnome? |
| 22:46.20 | simonrvn | Joelito: that's just a sub-menu IIRC |
| 22:46.23 | Joelito | oh, yeah,lol I'm using gnome |
| 22:46.46 | simonrvn | oh nm then, something else... |
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| 22:48.28 | Nyle | Bushmills, you left d-ot? |
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| 22:48.42 | Bushmills | phone |
| 22:48.44 | Nyle | word |
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| 22:49.18 | abrotman | Joelito: it's called 'services-admin' .. not sure the package |
| 22:49.41 | abrotman | gnome-system-tools |
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| 22:50.03 | Joelito | abrotman: I'm on it, thanks :) |
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| 22:50.33 | Sebby | hi 2 all |
| 22:50.52 | Nyle | hi |
| 22:51.05 | Joelito | another: anyone here tryied to install manually emerald in debian testing? |
| 22:51.20 | Sebby | i need to install PgTCL |
| 22:51.34 | Sebby | and i need to do it something licke: |
| 22:51.34 | Joelito | I'm planning to use ubuntu hardy packages in debian testing...good or bad idea? |
| 22:51.41 | Nyle | Sebby, libpgtcl1.5 |
| 22:51.47 | Sebby | inux:/root# cd libpgtcl/ |
| 22:51.47 | Sebby | linux:/root/libpgtcl# export \ |
| 22:51.47 | Sebby | PG_CONFIG=/usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_config |
| 22:51.47 | Sebby | linux:/root/libpgtcl# ./configure --with-tcl \ |
| 22:51.47 | Sebby | --prefix=/usr/local/pgsql \ |
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| 22:51.52 | abrotman | Joelito: awful idea |
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| 22:52.08 | Supaplex | !lick Sebby |
| 22:52.08 | Sebby | ups |
| 22:52.08 | dpkg | licks supaplex *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:52.23 | Nyle | ew |
| 22:52.24 | nido | supaplex :) |
| 22:52.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:52.29 | Sebby | sorry for pasteing |
| 22:52.32 | nido | Is there an open source version of thaT? |
| 22:52.38 | path_ | !tell path_ britney |
| 22:52.41 | Joelito | abrotman: why, if all the dependencies are correct? |
| 22:52.47 | Nyle | !tell nido -about infobot |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | fine .. do whatever you want |
| 22:52.59 | abrotman | path_: what do you want to know about britney? |
| 22:53.10 | path_ | abrotman, everything :D |
| 22:53.18 | Nyle | path_, you read the new maint guide? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | path_: such as what? be specific |
| 22:53.30 | path_ | is it there? nice! |
| 22:54.23 | path_ | abrotman, current updates, update outputs |
| 22:54.34 | Sebby | i need to install manually libpgtcl |
| 22:54.42 | Sebby | annyone who can help me? |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | so you want to know what is coming in/out of testing/unstable ? |
| 22:54.53 | Supaplex | !tell Sebby -about apt-file |
| 22:55.08 | Supaplex | Sebby: well, why not use the package management system? |
| 22:55.29 | abrotman | path_: ? |
| 22:55.41 | Nyle | The package must have been available in unstable for 2, 5 or 10 days, depending on the urgency (high, medium or low). It must have the same number or fewer release-critical bugs than the version currently available in testing. It must be available on all architectures on which it has previously been built in unstable. It must not break any dependency of a package which is already available in testing. The packages on which it depends must either be av |
| 22:55.48 | path_ | abrotman http://release.debian.org/britney/ I came across that website |
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| 22:56.20 | abrotman | path_: and what do you want to know about it ? |
| 22:56.21 | abrotman | !inout |
| 22:56.21 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 22:57.11 | Nyle | Sebby, why? |
| 22:57.22 | Sebby | i know to do apt-get install libpgtcl , but i need to do it manually but i don``t know how to deal with .deb files (i downloaded a .deb ..if could be a tar.gz.. ..hmm) |
| 22:57.28 | Nyle | Sebby, install the package? libpgtcl1.5 |
| 22:57.52 | Nyle | !wayttd Sebby |
| 22:57.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Sebby? |
| 22:57.55 | Supaplex | use dpkg -i file.deb to install it from a local file. |
| 22:58.17 | stew | Sebby: why do you need to do it manually? |
| 22:58.19 | Supaplex | the easy way is aptitude install <something> |
| 22:58.33 | Sebby | bhmm..don`t know how to tell you...i don`t need to be automatcly installed |
| 22:58.42 | Sebby | i wonna install it myself |
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| 22:58.57 | Nyle | Sebby, you want to unpack the deb and place files on the system manually? |
| 22:58.58 | Supaplex | then use dpkg -i one file at a time. |
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| 22:59.00 | abrotman | path_: i don't even think it's called britney anymore .. /msg dpkg girls .. /msg dpkg dak |
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| 22:59.03 | Sebby | have you saw wath i pasted when i got kicked out? |
| 22:59.07 | j4cbo | is it safe to remove /usr/share/mysql/mysql-test ? |
| 22:59.26 | Nyle | abrotman, in that case the developers references need to be updated |
| 22:59.29 | j4cbo | it seems to be 25MB of test suites |
| 22:59.32 | Nyle | debian.org/docs |
| 22:59.43 | Nyle | obviously |
| 22:59.44 | abrotman | Nyle: send patches ? i thought they stopped calling them "the girls" |
| 22:59.49 | Nyle | hehe |
| 22:59.50 | Supaplex | Sebby: rafb.net/paste |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | ask a DD |
| 22:59.52 | path_ | abrotman, britney is developer ? lmao |
| 22:59.54 | Nyle | will do |
| 22:59.55 | path_ | a* |
| 23:00.11 | flower | does someone know how to build rt2x00 ralink support in the kernel? |
| 23:00.17 | ripdisk | i have to go to work now because i wasted my whole day on this |
| 23:00.17 | ripdisk | so |
| 23:00.17 | ripdisk | afk |
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| 23:00.40 | edmondDantes | hi. i have an ipod nano, im wondering what application i can use to transfer music from pc to ipod via usb2? |
| 23:00.48 | Nyle | !ipod |
| 23:00.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 23:00.52 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 23:01.00 | abrotman | i think rhythmbox does it .. probably amarok too .. |
| 23:01.06 | Nyle | amarok for sure does it |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | FWIW .. when i plugged my brother's in .. rhythmbox immediately started |
| 23:01.17 | edmondDantes | abrotman - rhythmbox detects my ipod but ive tried dragging files to it unsuccessfully |
| 23:01.27 | Nyle | abrotman, amarok starts too on kde |
| 23:01.27 | edmondDantes | i drag them, there is no godamn transfer button |
| 23:01.29 | amphi | doesn't the nano use some nasty encryption that means only itunes can talk to it? |
| 23:01.38 | Nyle | abrotman, well, first it asks you want you wanna do |
| 23:01.48 | abrotman | whatever .. close enough |
| 23:01.51 | amphi | ISTR an acquaintance having some such problem |
| 23:01.54 | edmondDantes | hm |
| 23:02.11 | abrotman | edmondDantes: i didn't muck with it much .. he wanted me to get pics off it ... not put more Moxy Fruvous on it |
| 23:02.12 | Sebby | Supaplex -> http://rafb.net/p/ggjIB313.html |
| 23:02.14 | Nyle | amphi, hey bro |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | weird kid |
| 23:02.21 | amphi | Nyle: pon ;) |
| 23:02.42 | edmondDantes | Hm |
| 23:02.51 | edmondDantes | Nyle - amarok is on kde only tho? |
| 23:02.55 | Nyle | no |
| 23:02.57 | edmondDantes | i have the default, gnome I think |
| 23:02.57 | edmondDantes | oh |
| 23:03.12 | Nyle | it is a Qt app primarily made for the kde desktop |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | you can install amarok if you want it |
| 23:03.20 | Nyle | but you can use it in debian in X anywwhere |
| 23:03.22 | jota-_ | Bushmills grep MASQ does not print anything because i'm not using MASQUERADE as target, i'm using SNAT |
| 23:03.26 | Nyle | aptitude install amarok |
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| 23:04.12 | jota-_ | grepping for SNAT prints SNAT 0 -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 to:192.168.84.2 |
| 23:04.14 | lilkid | amphi: nano 2nd gen has some nasty encryption. to date noone has cracked it to remove the volume cap or install any 3rd party firmware |
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| 23:04.42 | Nyle | ipod == fasion statement |
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| 23:04.49 | Nyle | you can buy other better mp3 players for less |
| 23:04.54 | Nyle | and ones that are more open technlogoy |
| 23:04.57 | Nyle | fuck apple |
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| 23:05.03 | stew | Nyle: take it elsewhere |
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| 23:05.11 | Nyle | I don't have one stew |
| 23:05.19 | amphi | Nyle: verily |
| 23:05.43 | Sebby | Supaplex have you finished reading ? |
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| 23:06.13 | venger | i've previously edited /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules in order to reclaim the 'eth1' interface name after having swapped out a NIC card. my problem is that after a few reboots it seems to get replaced using the "eth2" name or higher. Is there something I should be editing instead? |
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| 23:06.55 | ripdisk[a] | stew |
| 23:06.57 | ripdisk[a] | i found the error |
| 23:08.15 | Foskasse | Já tenho (sqrt(350)-0.7082869*cos(20)-0.4192478) ANOS! |
| 23:08.25 | Nyle | ... |
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| 23:08.44 | Foskasse | Happy birthday to me guys!! |
| 23:09.03 | Nyle | happy birthday to you!! |
| 23:09.06 | Nyle | we done? |
| 23:09.09 | Foskasse | YAY! |
| 23:09.15 | Foskasse | Nyle, thanks |
| 23:09.16 | Foskasse | :D |
| 23:09.21 | Nyle | fantastic. |
| 23:09.38 | ripdisk[a] | Foskasse, happy birthday |
| 23:09.40 | ripdisk[a] | how old are you |
| 23:09.48 | abrotman | Foskasse: take it somewhere else |
| 23:09.53 | amphi | wonders why the anniversary of Foskasse's birth should be cause for rejoicing |
| 23:10.06 | abrotman | especially in #debian ? |
| 23:10.08 | Nyle | amphi, its a mystery |
| 23:10.15 | Foskasse | ripdisk[a], (sqrt(350)-0.7082869*cos(20)-0.4192478) years |
| 23:10.16 | Foskasse | :P |
| 23:10.17 | Nyle | when is debian's birthday? |
| 23:10.24 | amphi | or postulated birth, rather |
| 23:10.26 | stew | Foskasse: take it elsewhere. #defocus perhaps |
| 23:10.29 | ripdisk[a] | Foskasse, no thanks. |
| 23:10.35 | ripdisk[a] | not even gonna try. |
| 23:10.36 | Nyle | 1993? |
| 23:10.41 | Foskasse | LOL |
| 23:10.44 | Foskasse | Nyle, nop |
| 23:11.00 | amphi | 0x90! |
| 23:11.01 | Nyle | yeh, inception was 1993 but a usable version wasn't around till like 2000 |
| 23:11.07 | Foskasse | 18 :P |
| 23:11.17 | Foskasse | im 18 |
| 23:11.17 | Foskasse | :D |
| 23:11.19 | Nyle | 2001 really |
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| 23:11.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:11.34 | stew | Foskasse: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 23:12.48 | Nyle | August 16th 1993 |
| 23:13.15 | Bushmills | jota-_: check, for example with iptables -t nat -vnL , that packets from different net actually go through the SNAT rule, and aren't forwarded by another which doesn't modify source ip. |
| 23:13.20 | Nyle | according to 10years debconf org |
| 23:13.43 | academy | Traffic between two of my servers is billed on 95th percentile and I have an allowance of 4Mbit/s. This should be ok, but I'm thinking of using traffic shaping to make sure of this - I'm worried that traffic might burst to 100Mbit for periods and this could push me over. Does anyone have experience of using tc to manage 95th percentile billing? |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | !tell Nyle about history |
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| 23:14.21 | Nyle | ahh |
| 23:14.51 | Nyle | yup, confirms it. debian's birthday is coming up next month |
| 23:15.19 | Sebby | who has a little free time and would like to help me please to install manually libpgtcl to see what i need see there:-> http://rafb.net/p/ggjIB313.html |
| 23:15.21 | Sebby | ? |
| 23:15.38 | Nyle | cool, augh 14th = pakistan, 15th = india, 16th - debian haha 3 birthdays in a row |
| 23:15.53 | Nyle | Sebby, why you want to manually install it? |
| 23:16.17 | Nyle | Sebby, why not use the debian package? |
| 23:16.21 | CoolCold | will package net-tools, where netstat is can be updated in case of bug? |
| 23:16.29 | Sebby | Nyle |
| 23:16.40 | Sebby | have you read the link i gaved you? |
| 23:16.44 | Nyle | Sebby, and instead of bulding from source, I'd get the deb-src for that package, modify compile time flags or arguments |
| 23:16.59 | Nyle | Sebby, that imo is a better way to do it (as it may need debian sepecific patches) |
| 23:17.34 | lilkid | trying to run net sam createbuiltingroup users, but getting an error message: Creating users failed with NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED .. can anyone help? |
| 23:18.17 | Nyle | lilkid, net sam? |
| 23:19.07 | Sebby | hmm,i`m not used to Linux specially Debian, i used in the past Mandriva and PCLinuxOS but now i need to Run GNUWorld irc services wich needs postgresql whit special settings and that libpgtcl |
| 23:19.29 | Nyle | Sebby, did you install libpgtcl1.5? |
| 23:19.34 | lilkid | Nyle: yeah.. to manage samba database tdbsam |
| 23:19.34 | Nyle | libpgtcl1.5 - Tcl client library binding for PostgreSQL |
| 23:19.44 | Nyle | lilkid, try #samba |
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| 23:20.10 | Sebby | that lib i could apt-get install libpgtcl but |
| 23:20.27 | abrotman | that was cute .. audacious in lenny crashes unless you get the plugins package from sid .. oh well |
| 23:20.31 | Sebby | i need to do what is whirited in this link http://rafb.net/p/ggjIB313.html |
| 23:20.59 | Sebby | i don`t exactly understand evrything but.. i know i need it |
| 23:21.00 | amphi | Sebby: perhaps you need to install the libpgtcl -dev package also? |
| 23:21.10 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm trying to create several gnome launchers which open a few console apps in gnome-terminal tabs instead of each in their own window. The man page leaves much to be desired. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:21.19 | stew | Sebby: so what is your question? |
| 23:21.51 | Sebby | how can i do what`s here: http://rafb.net/p/ggjIB313.html ? |
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| 23:22.32 | gnunixguy | is back |
| 23:22.35 | stew | Sebby: you are asking us for instructions on how to follow instructions? |
| 23:23.30 | Sebby | something like that...if i would have a tar.gz pack i vould know what to do |
| 23:23.43 | Sebby | but i found only deb |
| 23:25.00 | stew | Sebby: so you want instructions on how to get the source of libpgtcl so you can compile it from source? |
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| 23:25.52 | Sebby | i think i`m confused now |
| 23:26.28 | Sebby | i need libpgtcl but from source and |
| 23:26.39 | stew | Sebby: why do you need to source? |
| 23:27.07 | Sebby | to be able to do what is whrited in that instruction for GNUWorld |
| 23:27.15 | stew | Sebby: having read those (bad) instructions, I don't see what you would gain by compiling the library from source and then installing it, when we are offering you a way to just install it |
| 23:28.15 | stew | Sebby: but if you insist on wasting your own time, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 23:29.09 | Sebby | but is it possible to do how you say and configure the pack as i need for gnuworld ,that INTSTRUCTIONS are from Evilnet |
| 23:29.16 | Sebby | instructions* |
| 23:30.24 | stew | Sebby: what do you mean by "configure the pack"? |
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| 23:32.03 | Sebby | linux:/root/libpgtcl# export \ |
| 23:32.03 | Sebby | PG_CONFIG=/usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_config |
| 23:32.16 | Sebby | linux:/root/libpgtcl# ./configure --with-tcl \ |
| 23:32.17 | Sebby | --prefix=/usr/local/pgsql \ |
| 23:32.17 | Sebby | --exec-prefix=/usr/local/pgsql \ |
| 23:32.17 | Sebby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:32.33 | Sebby | hmm |
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| 23:32.40 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 23:32.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:32.52 | stew | Sebby: i am able to read the link you sent before, there is no reason to paste it in the channel |
| 23:32.58 | n-iCe | any idea in how can I install my bluetooth, it is an usb, but typing, lsusb doesn't show it up |
| 23:33.27 | Sebby | so apt-get install libpgtcl is enough? |
| 23:33.29 | Sebby | ? |
| 23:33.30 | Sebby | ?? |
| 23:34.27 | stew | Sebby: you either want libpgtcl1.5 or libpgtcl-dev depending on what you are going to do with it (like, if you are planning on compiling things against libpgtcl or if you just need the runtime libraries) |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | n-iCe: if you plug it in and lsusb doesn't show it .. that's not good |
| 23:36.10 | Sebby | i need them for GNUWorld |
| 23:36.13 | n-iCe | abrotman: I know :<, anything I can do? |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | replug it ? |
| 23:36.33 | n-iCe | I did. |
| 23:36.38 | Sebby | i think i will install bouth? is ok then ..will work? |
| 23:37.05 | Sebby | this is the tutorial i`m using: http://evilnet.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_gnuworld&s=8&ircu=2.10.12&os=linux&distro=debian&modules=ccontrol%2Copenchanfix%2Ccloner%2Ccservice%2Cdronescan%2Csnoop%2Cstats%2Cauth&r=1&secure=1&subset=A-3 |
| 23:37.39 | simonrvn | !tinyurl |
| 23:37.39 | dpkg | from memory, tinyurl is instead of pasting those long urls that take several cut 'n pastes to get into the url bar of a browser, please visit http://tinyurl.com and paste your url there.. turn this: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+gnu%2Flinux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial into this: http://tinyurl.com/pdxzw |
| 23:38.54 | micols | anyone know why wodim cannot find my cd/dvd recorder (its a plextor px 708a), it is found as /dev/hda and is in /dev ? |
| 23:39.08 | micols | wodim --devices returns nothing and cdrecord wont find the device |
| 23:39.15 | micols | its 2.6.25.10 kernel |
| 23:39.33 | micols | cdrom 36512 2 pktcdvd,ide_cd_mod these are my modules |
| 23:39.43 | simonrvn | --scanbus ? |
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| 23:40.10 | micols | mws2:~# wodim -scanbus |
| 23:40.10 | micols | wodim: No such file or directory. |
| 23:40.24 | micols | wodim is in the system.. |
| 23:40.28 | slayton | when compiling a deb how do you make it so the application will appear in the Application Menu when installed? |
| 23:40.38 | n-iCe | abrotman: something else i can do? |
| 23:40.44 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m5174ab1b |
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| 23:41.45 | micols | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/m3a097019 |
| 23:41.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: does it work in another computer/OS ? |
| 23:42.00 | micols | thats my dmesg+lsmod, i am using an nforce2 chipset (a7n8x dlx board) |
| 23:42.44 | micols | i got cdrecord and /dev/cdrw , /dev/dvdrw device names on my laptop which is 2.6.23.12, it has the same modules loaded |
| 23:43.05 | micols | /dev/dvdrw , /dev/cdrom , /dev/cdrw doesnt get created here. |
| 23:43.15 | micols | but /dev/hda exists (my cdrom burner, plextor) |
| 23:43.32 | simonrvn | so point it /dev/hda? |
| 23:43.39 | n-iCe | abrotman: yes |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 23:44.05 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 23:44.55 | n-iCe | But, for usbs is not only lusbs ? abrotman ? |
| 23:45.08 | micols | simonrvn: yes, /dev/hda wont burn. |
| 23:45.36 | micols | it has been working before with an earlier kernel and before i reinstalled, so i wonder what is missing, i gost most scsi as modules. |
| 23:45.45 | micols | sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,ide-scsi etc |
| 23:45.51 | micols | ide-scsi shouldnt be used anymore |
| 23:46.11 | abrotman | n-iCe: try lshw or hwinfo |
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| 23:47.13 | Sebby | i don`t have libpgtcl1.6.so and pgtclsh how do i get them? |
| 23:47.34 | fisxoj | hello! I want to reinstall debian, and want to preserve settings and things |
| 23:48.15 | Mathijs1 | then make sure you save /etc and /home |
| 23:48.35 | abrotman | fisxoj: which settings? |
| 23:48.37 | fisxoj | Mathijs1: tar and bzip2 them? |
| 23:48.41 | amphi | fisxoj: BTW, glx works fine here after the xorg & intel upgrades |
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| 23:49.07 | fisxoj | amphi: all the more reason for me to reinstall |
| 23:49.10 | n-iCe | abrotman: I did an upgrade, and know works, Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 23:49.14 | fisxoj | I must have really screwed something up |
| 23:49.17 | amphi | fisxoj: if /home is a separate partition, you needn't worry about it |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | n-iCe: have fun |
| 23:49.45 | simonrvn | micols: no, it shouldn't |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | did fisxoj check the BTS? |
| 23:50.07 | n-iCe | !java |
| 23:50.08 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 23:50.10 | Sebby | To check that your PostgreSQL installation includes TCL support, |
| 23:50.10 | Sebby | check that the following file exists onto your system : |
| 23:50.21 | n-iCe | !install java |
| 23:50.22 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 23:50.25 | Sebby | ./usr/local/pgsql/bin/pgtclsh |
| 23:50.28 | fisxoj | abrotman: I've been checking things for a while now |
| 23:50.31 | Sebby | and i don`t have it |
| 23:50.34 | Sebby | :(((((((((( |
| 23:50.42 | fisxoj | how do I make sure everything I have installed gets reinstalled? |
| 23:51.12 | n-iCe | 100MB!! wow |
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| 23:52.48 | amphi | fisxoj: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:54.00 | abrotman | n-iCe: msg the bot |
| 23:54.16 | n-iCe | what for? |
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| 23:55.10 | n-iCe | !bluetooth |
| 23:55.11 | dpkg | i heard bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 23:55.19 | \amethyst | n-iCe: does typing lsusb as root show it? |
| 23:55.19 | vinafera | I am looking to run a visual basic .NET exe on my debian machine. I have installed mono-runtime, but I seem to be missing the Microsoft.VisualBasic assembly. Is this something that I need to get from an existing windows install, or is visual basic .NET support provided by another package? |
| 23:55.30 | n-iCe | \amethyst: yes |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | n-iCe: MSG THE BOT |
| 23:55.33 | \amethyst | lsusb on debian doesn't work correctly as a regular user |
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| 23:55.40 | n-iCe | \amethyst: Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 23:56.00 | fisxoj | what's the best way to get compression? |
| 23:56.19 | \amethyst | n-iCe: have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser ? |
| 23:56.21 | simonrvn | micols: dunno, just works for me... using a debian 2.6 sid kernel |
| 23:56.43 | micols | did work for me too before 2.6.25.10 with some weird module |
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| 23:56.47 | n-iCe | \amethyst: im there |
| 23:56.48 | micols | i am using nforce2 chipset |
| 23:56.56 | micols | dont know which module to use, nvidia nforce2 |
| 23:57.17 | micols | right now i use generic ide driver |
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| 23:58.01 | Sebby | how do i install tcl support for Postgresql ? |
| 23:58.14 | simonrvn | Sebby: you install it |
| 23:58.16 | mosty | i have a strange problem- when i apt-get install postgresql-8.1 it installs a bunch of packages but does not create /etc/postgresql/8.1/ and the init scripts don't start the server. what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:58.21 | simonrvn | !tell Sebby -about search |
| 23:58.23 | n-iCe | awesome, apt-get install bluez-utils , did the work, it is working now. |
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| 23:59.09 | \amethyst | Sebby: postgres-pltcl-<ver> where <ver> is 7.4, 8.1, or (in sid) 8.3 |
| 23:59.31 | n-iCe | other thing, debian is not keeping the clock time, why could be? |
| 23:59.38 | \amethyst | Sebby: not to be confused with libpgtcl, which is the other way around (Postgres support in TCL) |
| 23:59.49 | \amethyst | n-iCe: what do you mean? The time isn't changing? |
| 23:59.53 | \amethyst | or it's wrong? |
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