| 00:01.37 | bringatowel | Supaplex, thanks, is there a way to configure that on a current install? all the guides im finding so far are how to set up a new system |
| 00:02.05 | Supaplex | it's tricky. did you look at the lvm2 howto? |
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| 00:03.27 | bringatowel | i found http://www.wlug.org.nz/LVMNotes and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and it looks great but alot of work |
| 00:03.58 | bringatowel | the system is running fine now, the only problem is when trying to do a apt-get dist-upgrade the /var partition runs out of space and dies D: |
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| 00:05.00 | bringatowel | the installer can set up LVM automagically, that is probably what i will do in the future, but id like to get this install to work without too much trouble |
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| 00:06.03 | Lectus | Hello! I'm trying to install an external .deb file that requires libstdc++-6 but debian repos only have libstdc++-6.4.3 and the dpkg complains and won't install the package. How can I solve this? |
| 00:06.04 | bringatowel | maybe i could make a link from /var/apt to /home/blah/tempapt or something? since there is space on /home but not on /var |
| 00:07.49 | Lectus | to be more complete in my question, I'm trying to install this IDE: http://www.ultimatepp.org/index.html if anyone have experience with this on debian I'd like some help please |
| 00:08.18 | jetscreamer | which repo |
| 00:08.30 | jetscreamer | stable? maybe backports.org |
| 00:08.34 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 00:08.35 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 00:08.38 | Nyle | wow |
| 00:08.41 | Nyle | looky who it is |
| 00:08.44 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 00:08.50 | Nyle | whats up old man |
| 00:08.53 | Nyle | long time |
| 00:09.01 | Nyle | hugs jetscreamer |
| 00:09.05 | Lectus | I'm using aptitude... but what's backports? |
| 00:09.11 | jetscreamer | hell you shoulda seen me in mechwarriors and q3.. or rather wouldn't have yet |
| 00:09.38 | jetscreamer | refining my poker skills |
| 00:09.38 | Nyle | im coming to louisiana on friday |
| 00:09.41 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 00:09.43 | Nyle | my bros graduation |
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| 00:10.00 | Nyle | you should make the 3 hours drive and come party |
| 00:10.01 | Nyle | ;) |
| 00:10.27 | jetscreamer | i can't even get up to the ranch, and it's only 130 miles away |
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| 00:10.51 | jetscreamer | well it used to be a ranch |
| 00:11.03 | jetscreamer | now it's like 1/4 of a ranch |
| 00:11.10 | jetscreamer | thanks dad |
| 00:11.19 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:11.23 | Nyle | I like ranch and baby carrots |
| 00:11.26 | Nyle | and hot wings |
| 00:11.32 | jetscreamer | i like ranch and celery |
| 00:11.40 | jetscreamer | carrots are good too |
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| 00:11.57 | Nyle | ultimate IDE |
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| 00:12.10 | Nyle | what it is? |
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| 00:12.29 | axolx_ | hey guys -- how can i set up sshd on my server so that i won't time me out at all? |
| 00:12.31 | Nyle | well it has debs available |
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| 00:12.40 | Nyle | bsd lisence is free isnit it? |
| 00:12.47 | jetscreamer | i have a question and don't really want the stock ansers, i know them. i just want an answer... :) what usb wireless should i buy |
| 00:12.49 | Nyle | i mean it is considered to be free? |
| 00:13.06 | bringatowel | wireless what? |
| 00:13.08 | Nyle | jetscreamer, never fucked with usb wifi |
| 00:13.11 | jetscreamer | yea you can even use it in commercial no source or so... i don't know exactly |
| 00:13.31 | jetscreamer | the little client box for the laptop or whatever |
| 00:13.32 | Nyle | Lectus, ask a more specific question |
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| 00:13.53 | jetscreamer | i have a linksys usb546 or so... it sux |
| 00:13.56 | bringatowel | <Lectus> Hello! I'm trying to install an external .deb file that requires libstdc++-6 but debian repos only have libstdc++-6.4.3 and the dpkg complains and won't install the package. How can I solve this |
| 00:14.13 | jetscreamer | 54g |
| 00:14.26 | Nyle | bringatowel, thanks |
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| 00:14.53 | bringatowel | usb wireless seems to be way behind bluetooth |
| 00:14.57 | p3rti | hi |
| 00:14.59 | bringatowel | np <Lectus> to be more complete in my question, I'm trying to install this IDE: http://www.ultimatepp.org/index.html if anyone have experience with this on debian I'd like some help please |
| 00:15.01 | c0mrade | how can I install amavisd-new |
| 00:15.16 | p3rti | someone know.. if... debian comes with a kernel path to support 8GB of ram by default_ |
| 00:15.21 | p3rti | ?? |
| 00:15.27 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 00:15.41 | Lectus | Nyle: I'm trying to install the Ultimate++ IDE/framework. I can get all dependencies with aptitude except for libstdc++6 that the repos have a different version that dpkg will complain and not install the package. |
| 00:16.27 | Lectus | I think aptitude is missing the libstdc++6 meta-package, I don't know what's happening |
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| 00:17.39 | Lectus | the package is libstdc++6-dev, sorry... I wrote the wrong name |
| 00:17.50 | bringatowel | yeah it sounds like a mistake in the package dependencies, but that is just my ignorant guess :D |
| 00:17.54 | Nyle | Lectus, I have no experience with that |
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| 00:18.07 | p3rti | someone know |
| 00:18.08 | p3rti | :( |
| 00:18.15 | Nyle | bringatowel, it is.. easy fix too but there are a couple of ways to go about it |
| 00:18.23 | Nyle | you can always force |
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| 00:18.30 | Nyle | now i gotta take my roomy to the college |
| 00:18.31 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:18.46 | Lectus | how can I force dpkg? |
| 00:18.51 | Lectus | I'm gonna try it |
| 00:19.21 | Lectus | I'm pretty sure I have libstdc++6-dev, at least the 6.4.3 version... so no problem in forcing it |
| 00:19.22 | kantor | hi, I have renamed all the SCSI subsystem drivers (so Linux can't load them) and all the SCSI subsystem drivers are compiled as modules, but strangely the SG_GET_VERSION_NUM ioctl returns the sg driver version, how is that possible if the sg (and all the SCSI subsystem) driver was renamed and it is not loaded ?? |
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| 00:21.17 | JoeThomas | Hi, I just got sqcam working and xawtv on. My video source is /dev/video0 a usb vga digicamera. When i run xawtv the video source is slow, it doesn't pick up fast movements. Would this be my camera, or refresh rate of xawtv? |
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| 00:21.41 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/xkosMt60.html why do I have 169.254.0.0 ??? |
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| 00:24.17 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/xkosMt60.html which package or service could have declared the 169.254.0.0 network ? I did not configure it anywhere ! |
| 00:26.06 | JoeThomas | doublehp: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/linux.redhat.misc/2004-02/0244.html |
| 00:26.10 | JoeThomas | might be useful |
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| 00:29.07 | doublehp | JoeThomas: I dont have windows around, so, the box could not probe any. I dont remeber installing Whole, or zeroconf, or Discover or samba, or Appletalk ... |
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| 00:29.53 | doublehp | owl |
| 00:29.55 | Tramp | doublehp: avahi* |
| 00:30.26 | JoeThomas | IANA? |
| 00:30.32 | doublehp | ah, yes, I have /etc/avahi :s but i dont know why. |
| 00:31.17 | doublehp | and, it is also true that I have /etc/avahi ONLY on the box where I see this strange route. |
| 00:31.41 | JoeThomas | Well if you dont have windows around and dont have to probe anything just stop the service. |
| 00:31.43 | doublehp | so, what is avahi about ? |
| 00:32.10 | doublehp | i dont run/start the service |
| 00:32.11 | JoeThomas | doublehp: it's you get devices on a network |
| 00:32.18 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.03 | JoeThomas | avagi-daemon isn't started? |
| 00:33.07 | JoeThomas | avahi* |
| 00:34.26 | doublehp | i dont have any /etc/init.d/av*, and ps aux |grep ava , dont return any thing |
| 00:34.48 | doublehp | maybe just the HAL package could cause this ... |
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| 00:37.19 | bokey | all i know is avahi is zeroconf-like implementation in linux |
| 00:37.44 | doublehp | ok. Thx. |
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| 00:42.48 | doublehp | any one can help about Wifi ? I configured my NIC "manually" in /etc/network/interfaces ; after network restart, it worked; after reboot, NIC does not catch AP any more :'( |
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| 00:45.30 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: does it have an auto? is the interface there? can you bring it up using ifup foo; ? |
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| 00:46.33 | Xavura | When I use apt-get I get hella loads of errors about perl |
| 00:47.55 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i put auto; but once, wlan0 was said to not exist (even when the hardware was listed in lspci); ifup wlan0 is ok by itself; problem is that, it does not catch the access point. Used to, not anymore. |
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| 00:48.33 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/YAobVI81.html |
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| 00:49.54 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: uh... first off, you really want to use wireless-essid et al for that |
| 00:49.57 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: as proof, wlan0:2 get created. iwconfig line have been "mouse copy pasted" from an other computer |
| 00:49.59 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: man 7 wireless; for details |
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| 00:52.21 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: I understand. But that conf is copy from a very old working debian |
| 00:53.04 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: that may be, but that's the first change you want to make |
| 00:53.18 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: the second thing is brining up the interface manually using iwconfig to get it to associate properly |
| 00:53.43 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: newer kernels wireless stacks seem to require an iwconfig wlan0 ap any; or similar |
| 00:54.54 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: that's why i do, in interfaces :) |
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| 00:56.02 | doublehp | .... |
| 00:56.22 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: but, what if I dont know my AP MAC ? |
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| 00:57.49 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: I reboot the box. By the mean time, can you point me to an iptable based transparent bridge ? some Wifi cards dont accept brctl. |
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| 00:58.56 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: after reboot: iwconfig wlan0 => No such device !!!! |
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| 01:00.06 | ryty | hello |
| 01:00.37 | doublehp | Holle |
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| 01:01.04 | ryty | I have an application that requires that the /dev/hdb file be r/w for the a group (permissions wise). I'm trying to figure out how to have udev do this, instead of having to make rc.local do it. Could someone help me with such activity? |
| 01:02.04 | doublehp | ryty: sounds Xen of Vmware ... |
| 01:02.19 | ryty | ehh, virtualbox |
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| 01:02.36 | ryty | I have it using my raw disk in vmdk mode |
| 01:02.57 | ryty | /dev/hdb needs to be in 0666 mode, but it keeps going to 0660 mode on reboot |
| 01:03.10 | ryan-g2 | how do I turn on x server from gnome? xhost + says: xhost: unable to open display "" what should DISPLAY be set to? |
| 01:03.14 | doublehp | ryty: it's some /etc/udev/*.rules |
| 01:03.44 | ryty | doublehp: I know it's in one of those. I'm more confused on what needs to go in the file(s) |
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| 01:05.11 | ryty | and when I change that file, it doesn't seem to make any difference after restarting udev |
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| 01:06.11 | doublehp | ryty: you dont need to understand, know, or read. Just copy/paste a working section. The ile starts by describing hd* ... then, you can inspire from input/mice, that is userreadable, or psaux ... cross info, crate a new entry ... |
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| 01:06.44 | ryty | doublehp: okay, got that much done. Anything special I need to do after modifying the file? |
| 01:07.02 | doublehp | ryty: urandom is RW for all ... |
| 01:07.09 | ryty | (020_permissions.rules) |
| 01:07.29 | ryty | doublehp: huh? |
| 01:07.43 | doublehp | ryty: "grep -nri urandom /etc/udev/" tells you how ... |
| 01:08.04 | ryty | yah I got it in there |
| 01:08.13 | ryty | but when I restart udev it doesn't change a thing |
| 01:08.42 | doublehp | ryty: all you need, is to create a new entry, looking like urandom, associated to device hdb ... i just forgot if udev considers the forst, or last entry matching a device. I think that it's the latter |
| 01:08.52 | justin | ryty: uhhh, why are you changing the permissions of a device? |
| 01:08.59 | doublehp | ryty: udev shall be restarted a special way |
| 01:09.25 | ryty | justin: my virtualbox software needs raw access to a dev file and for some reason isn't hitting the group permissions like it should be |
| 01:09.47 | doublehp | ryty: you'd better reboot. Udev is handy for hotplug devices. HDB being coldplug hardware, a simple chmod in inittab could do. |
| 01:10.06 | ryty | okay, well I'll be back then :-) |
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| 01:11.51 | zblach | anyone know how to get reiser to shut up during the boot process? |
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| 01:13.10 | ryty | hmm, still didn't work |
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| 01:13.34 | doublehp | ryty: rules are read first, then applied .. |
| 01:14.00 | doublehp | ryty: what did you do, and where ? |
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| 01:14.58 | ryty | I added MODE="0666" to the back of KERNEL=="hd[a-z]|pcd[0-9]*", DRIVERS=="ide-cdrom|pcd", IMPORT{program}="cdrom_id --export $tempnode" |
| 01:15.02 | ryty | (with a comma) |
| 01:15.18 | doublehp | ryty: an old udev restart section: /bin/killall udevd ; /bin/sleep 1; /sbin/udevd --daemon |
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| 01:15.49 | doublehp | ryty: DRIVER=cdrom .... |
| 01:16.02 | ryty | Doh. |
| 01:16.15 | ryty | heh...no wonder my cdrom changed |
| 01:16.37 | ryty | I think I get the idea now, thanks guys |
| 01:16.49 | doublehp | ryty: your hdb is liokely to be a mass storage :) |
| 01:16.50 | doublehp | ryty: there also is a class concept around; but, you can restrict to a device name: "if any driver is to create /dev/foo, then apply THESE rules" |
| 01:16.51 | doublehp | and forget about classes :) |
| 01:16.52 | wols_ | doublehp: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 01:17.14 | ryty | wols_: no worries, I was using that anyways |
| 01:17.18 | doublehp | wols_: I witness this does not always worked |
| 01:17.31 | ryty | a udev stop and udev start does though |
| 01:17.59 | strixv | Hey guys what does rc stand for? like in invoke-rc.d or in /etc/rc#.d? |
| 01:18.12 | ryty | re-call? |
| 01:18.17 | ryty | I don't know honestly |
| 01:18.38 | strixv | And why are there multiple rc#.d's inside of /etc? Are they started on different runlevels? |
| 01:18.47 | ryty | yes |
| 01:18.55 | ryty | and shut down, too |
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| 01:20.42 | doublehp | ryty: grep -nri urandom /etc/udev/, gives me two lines ... |
| 01:20.42 | doublehp | strixv: Run Commands ? |
| 01:20.42 | doublehp | strixv: read a book about UNIX history. |
| 01:20.42 | doublehp | strixv: there are 6 UNIX runlevels. 0 = shutdown, 6 = reboot. 1= single user; 2= network, 3 = multiuser; 4 has was deprecated before Linux born. 5=graphical |
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| 01:21.24 | strixv | doublehp: so when you boot up, how does that work? Doesn't it go through all the various runlevels? |
| 01:21.43 | Tramp | !tell strixv about runlevel |
| 01:21.46 | beardy | He got floodkicked and didn't return. |
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| 01:22.05 | [anDrew] | everytime i try apt-get install i keep getting |
| 01:22.12 | [anDrew] | apt-get: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: undefined symbol: |
| 01:22.13 | beardy | Debian uses only one runlevel, except shutdown, reboot and so on. |
| 01:22.14 | Nyle | not in debian |
| 01:22.14 | [anDrew] | whys that |
| 01:22.15 | ryty | strixv: if you do an ls /etc/rc1.d/, you'll notice that some are S[0-9][0-9]<command name> and others are K[0-9][0-9]<command name> |
| 01:22.19 | Nyle | !runlevel |
| 01:22.20 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
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| 01:22.39 | zblach | um. isn't 3 supposed to be multiuser and 5 supposed to be X session? |
| 01:22.48 | Nyle | not in debian |
| 01:22.50 | Nyle | . |
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| 01:23.01 | ryty | uhh...that seems whack. |
| 01:23.03 | beardy | No, forget that. |
| 01:23.09 | Tramp | strixv: and "rc" stands for whatever you like, often for "runlevel control" |
| 01:23.11 | beardy | No, it's the True way. |
| 01:23.32 | beardy | strixv: No, only the things that are in the runlevel you boot, is run. |
| 01:24.07 | beardy | strixv: Otherwise there wouldn't be much point with different ones, at all. |
| 01:24.20 | [anDrew] | any1? |
| 01:24.27 | beardy | !anyone |
| 01:24.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 01:24.37 | Nyle | he already asked |
| 01:25.25 | strixv | beardy/Tramp: ok I see now. I think someone explained it to me differently (that your pc boots starting at like 0 and moving through the rest) |
| 01:25.25 | beardy | [anDrew]: Which version of Debian is that? |
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| 01:25.40 | [anDrew] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.44 | beardy | [anDrew]: Unrelated to your problem, most likely, but, run aptitude instead. |
| 01:25.49 | strixv | beardy/Tramp: So which one do I boot? It says that 2-5 are identical |
| 01:25.58 | Nyle | strixv, you don't |
| 01:26.03 | enouf | they are, as default |
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| 01:26.12 | beardy | That's the kernel version, not Debian version, as in stable, testing, unstable, or Etch, Lenny, or Sid. |
| 01:26.17 | Nyle | strixv, just go with it...when you get a login prompt, login and startx |
| 01:26.19 | [anDrew] | root@Spliff:~/eggdrop1.6.18# aptitude |
| 01:26.19 | [anDrew] | aptitude: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: undefined symbol: |
| 01:26.20 | Nyle | or isntall a *dm |
| 01:26.48 | strixv | Nyle: I don't have any trouble with that. I'd just like to understand how the stuff works better, and I'm installing a lamp server and I'd like to be able to configure when it runs and when it doesn't without having to shut it down manually |
| 01:27.12 | [anDrew] | any ideas |
| 01:27.13 | Nyle | strixv, when 'what' runs? |
| 01:27.20 | beardy | strixv: Run 'runlevel'. You needn't care, but you run 2. |
| 01:27.31 | strixv | Nyle: the lamp server, apache2/mysql |
| 01:27.53 | Nyle | strixv, you don't need to worry about run levels to build a lamp server |
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| 01:28.12 | beardy | If you want something to run, install it, if not, uninstall, or don't install. |
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| 01:28.26 | strixv | Nyle: It seems sort of - the opposite of linux? - to say "don't worry about it, you don't need to care, just go with it" |
| 01:28.30 | enouf | that admin article, as well as the various other factoids explain much, but i'm sure you read all those in the last 30 seconds ... |
| 01:28.54 | beardy | strixv: Welcome to Debian, sane defaults is it. |
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| 01:29.05 | Nyle | strixv, for learning purposes.. sure you can look into it more deeply. For production, don't fix it if it ain't broke. |
| 01:29.15 | strixv | So I run runlevel 2 by default - but as you guys said earlier, there is a purpose to having other runlevels - so what is that purpose? |
| 01:29.27 | c0mrade | w8 |
| 01:29.29 | Nyle | however, in order to build a LAMP server on default debian isntall, you need not worry about runlevels |
| 01:29.36 | c0mrade | http://www.networkclue.com/os/Linux/run-levels.aspx |
| 01:29.41 | c0mrade | there ya go |
| 01:29.41 | [anDrew] | well |
| 01:29.45 | beardy | strixv: Since you have to ask, you don't need to know. If you did know, you would know what you wanted to use them for. |
| 01:29.56 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 01:29.56 | dpkg | it has been said that rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 01:29.58 | Nyle | [anDrew], I googled.. I found a bug related to aptitude from 2007 |
| 01:29.59 | strixv | beardy: That's a little silly |
| 01:30.07 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?q=symbol+lookup+error+%2Fusr%2Flib%2Flibapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS279CA279 |
| 01:30.09 | [anDrew] | so what |
| 01:30.13 | Nyle | ahem |
| 01:30.13 | [anDrew] | so what do i do* |
| 01:30.25 | beardy | strixv: Only a bit. It is true though. |
| 01:30.26 | enouf | 2nd time now that 212 article appeared |
| 01:30.30 | miksuh | well but debian runlevels 2-5 are all the same |
| 01:30.40 | miksuh | those are all identical |
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| 01:30.49 | enouf | until you change that, if you like, as admin |
| 01:31.26 | miksuh | yeah but dy default there is no difference. In many other distros there is |
| 01:31.38 | enouf | we know |
| 01:31.46 | Nyle | !runlevel howto video |
| 01:31.47 | dpkg | it has been said that runlevel howto video is located at http://youtube.com/watch?v=d39izaupvEg |
| 01:31.50 | Nyle | watch it. |
| 01:31.57 | Nyle | sighs |
| 01:32.02 | enouf | haha .. video factoids? O_o |
| 01:32.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:32.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 01:32.22 | Nyle | enouf, information is evolving |
| 01:32.34 | Nyle | video seems to be more successful among morons |
| 01:32.44 | Nyle | however for smart people reading is always the way to go |
| 01:32.45 | beardy | I wouldn't want this place as a video conference.. |
| 01:32.52 | Nyle | I guess thats what makes them smart |
| 01:32.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:32.55 | Nyle | reading lots |
| 01:33.00 | miksuh | Who is moron? |
| 01:33.07 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 01:33.10 | Nyle | lots of people in the world... |
| 01:33.19 | [anDrew] | What do i do Nyle? |
| 01:33.26 | Nyle | in fact, moron used to be a clinical term used for semi-retrded children in the 1800s |
| 01:33.31 | Nyle | I believe |
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| 01:33.36 | Nyle | (medical term officially) |
| 01:33.44 | beardy | Not only children. |
| 01:33.48 | Nyle | ahh |
| 01:33.54 | beardy | afaik |
| 01:33.58 | Nyle | you're right |
| 01:34.08 | Nyle | [anDrew], I don't know sir |
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| 01:34.30 | [anDrew] | All i did was apt-get update |
| 01:34.32 | Nyle | [anDrew], wait and ask again.. or try the mailing list or debian.net forums |
| 01:34.35 | [anDrew] | then this happens :( |
| 01:34.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:34.57 | Benzi | what would be the best way to stream input from my tuner card to an X11 window? |
| 01:35.05 | beardy | [anDrew]: 'cat /etc/debian_version' paste the output here please. |
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| 01:35.18 | [anDrew] | it says 4.0 |
| 01:35.38 | ryty | justin: heh, turns out usermod didn't put me in the disk group like I told it to |
| 01:36.15 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 01:36.15 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 01:36.29 | beardy | [anDrew]: Could yuo paste your sources.list in a pastebin please? |
| 01:36.40 | [anDrew] | where can i find sources.list? |
| 01:36.44 | Nyle | beardy, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 01:36.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:37.04 | Nyle | Benzi, try #mplayer |
| 01:37.06 | beardy | [anDrew]: As dpkg said /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:37.10 | Nyle | Benzi, I've never owned a tv tuner card |
| 01:37.20 | Benzi | k |
| 01:37.23 | Nyle | Benzi, but if you have a /dev/video (input) then mplayer should |
| 01:37.24 | Benzi | so you think mplayer |
| 01:37.25 | Nyle | I think |
| 01:37.29 | wols | Benzi: tvtime? |
| 01:37.30 | Nyle | I'monly guessing |
| 01:37.32 | Nyle | I have no idea |
| 01:37.38 | beardy | Nyle: Oh. |
| 01:37.46 | Benzi | hmm, does mythtv work well for gaming consoles? |
| 01:37.57 | [anDrew] | http://pastebin.com/m1a4e4c34 |
| 01:38.16 | minerale | is there a quick and easy way to get the current 'transfer rate' of eth0 ? Ie something like Up: 300k/s down: 20k/s |
| 01:38.21 | Nyle | turns up the AC |
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| 01:38.31 | Nyle | its hot. |
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| 01:38.41 | Nyle | minerale, ntop? |
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| 01:39.43 | wols | minerale: iptraf |
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| 01:42.44 | beardy | [anDrew]: I don't know what has happened, tell us more, what have you installed lately, what did you do, before this happened? |
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| 01:43.04 | [anDrew] | hrm |
| 01:43.06 | [anDrew] | install gcc |
| 01:43.11 | [anDrew] | and then done apt-get update |
| 01:43.19 | Nyle | wols, iptraf is nice |
| 01:44.05 | enouf | recently stumbled onto ngrep after forgetting completely about it |
| 01:44.12 | [anDrew] | how cud i fix this beardy |
| 01:44.37 | enouf | netperf is also a decent pkg |
| 01:44.51 | enouf | [anDrew]: did you ever show us your debian version? |
| 01:45.02 | beardy | [anDrew]: If I knew, I would have told you already. Trying to get more information, so me, or someone else can figure it out. |
| 01:45.08 | beardy | enouf: Yes, he said 4.0. |
| 01:45.18 | enouf | ok |
| 01:45.19 | [anDrew] | Linux Spliff 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:45.26 | Nyle | spliff |
| 01:45.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:45.30 | [anDrew] | ;) |
| 01:45.34 | Nyle | no wonder he can't get it to work |
| 01:45.35 | enouf | [anDrew]: ls -l /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6* <=pastebin |
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| 01:46.12 | Nyle | [anDrew], apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 01:46.16 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 01:46.24 | [anDrew] | http://pastebin.com/m301de486 |
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| 01:46.34 | [anDrew] | root@Spliff:~/eggdrop1.6.18# apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 01:46.34 | [anDrew] | apt-cache: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: undefined symbol: |
| 01:46.41 | Nyle | ouch |
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| 01:47.58 | Nyle | oh good god |
| 01:48.03 | Nyle | he is running eggdrop in /root |
| 01:48.06 | Nyle | what the fuck... |
| 01:48.15 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:48.17 | Nyle | stop smoking up! |
| 01:48.20 | beardy | Was thinking it too but well.. |
| 01:48.23 | [anDrew] | no i aint dont worrie |
| 01:48.27 | [anDrew] | i just su thats all lol |
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| 01:49.27 | beardy | Something is messed up because of something. Have you installed any package from somewhere else other than official repos, and the package system? |
| 01:49.43 | [anDrew] | nope |
| 01:49.48 | [anDrew] | All i use is apt-get |
| 01:51.27 | dcnoye | how up to date is the debian ppc ? |
| 01:51.49 | Nyle | under constant development... (etch ofcourse is frozen) |
| 01:51.51 | [anDrew] | i just updated it now |
| 01:51.56 | [anDrew] | i dunno what a ppc is tho |
| 01:52.00 | Nyle | !ppc |
| 01:52.01 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:52.21 | [anDrew] | o lol |
| 01:53.14 | [anDrew] | darn i need to fix this :( |
| 01:53.17 | [anDrew] | fucking apt :P |
| 01:53.27 | beardy | [anDrew]: First of all, make backups of your data. |
| 01:53.38 | [anDrew] | ... |
| 01:53.38 | beardy | If you haven't already. |
| 01:53.39 | Nyle | ldd `which aptitude` |
| 01:54.02 | dryrot | Reiser disclosed! |
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| 01:54.22 | beardy | Those are "backticks", which are crap and deprecetaed.. and hard to see. |
| 01:54.23 | beardy | Btw. |
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| 01:54.43 | enouf | [anDrew]: your pastebin looks correct, i however, have no idea what's wrong |
| 01:54.43 | beardy | ldd $(which aptitude) |
| 01:54.49 | [anDrew] | http://pastebin.com/m1ebfc665 |
| 01:54.53 | [anDrew] | is that i got ^ |
| 01:54.56 | Nyle | I use them all the time? |
| 01:55.10 | Nyle | for example... |
| 01:55.16 | beardy | Yes, my opinion, and bash's manpage. |
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| 01:55.29 | Nyle | 09:53 mp3 /exec - -o echo "`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player title`" |
| 01:55.33 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:55.49 | Nyle | beardy, show me how to rewrite this 'properly'? |
| 01:55.54 | [anDrew] | lol |
| 01:55.57 | beardy | Yeah, and that's a bit hard to read. |
| 01:56.05 | [anDrew] | is there any way i can resore the pc bk to like 20 mins ago lol |
| 01:56.23 | Nyle | [anDrew], I am also known as 'stoned' ;) |
| 01:56.41 | beardy | Nyle: Just replace with $(whatever) ? where is the bit that fails? |
| 01:56.41 | [anDrew] | hehe :) |
| 01:56.48 | Nyle | beardy, it does not. |
| 01:57.21 | Nyle | beardy, I just wanted you to show me how to properly rewrite it |
| 01:57.23 | beardy | Nyle: If you insist, it does seem like a cockmeasuring or the like, but alright. |
| 01:57.31 | Nyle | no |
| 01:57.37 | Nyle | it isn't, I've never heard of what you're saying |
| 01:57.42 | Nyle | so I'm asking |
| 01:57.46 | beardy | Take my valuable(questionable) time. |
| 01:57.46 | [anDrew] | how do i find out if ssl is installed on my box? |
| 01:57.48 | beardy | Oh. |
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| 01:58.13 | Nyle | I don't know what $() does? |
| 01:58.24 | Nyle | minus ? fucking . but I hit shift |
| 01:58.27 | enouf | same thing Nyle .. easier to nest |
| 01:58.35 | beardy | Nyle: Well, instead of putting something inside backticks, you can put it in a $(ls -la) like that instaed. |
| 01:58.40 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:58.43 | beardy | Nyle: Easier to read, and so on. |
| 01:59.11 | Nyle | beardy, I stopped measring after my cock stopped growing past 1 inch |
| 01:59.12 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:59.26 | beardy | Nyle: Hehe :) |
| 01:59.27 | amphi | Nyle: backticks are _so_ antediluvian |
| 01:59.28 | Nyle | I'll looking to man bash again |
| 01:59.36 | Nyle | amphi, hey whats up buddy |
| 01:59.40 | Nyle | with a new word |
| 01:59.50 | Nyle | learned another new word today from amphi yay |
| 01:59.51 | enouf | Nyle: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#head-d13610f7247e7f6dc5eed1b337983b5e509bc409 |
| 02:00.09 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:00.16 | Nyle | it just means really old (before the flood) |
| 02:00.18 | Nyle | cool! |
| 02:00.19 | [anDrew] | grrrr |
| 02:00.22 | Nyle | !amphi++ |
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| 02:01.21 | Nyle | [anDrew], backup your data, install lenny |
| 02:01.21 | Nyle | ! |
| 02:01.27 | [anDrew] | whats lenny? |
| 02:01.32 | enouf | does karma still work ? |
| 02:01.35 | Nyle | !karma |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 3 |
| 02:01.39 | Nyle | yay |
| 02:01.45 | enouf | \o/ |
| 02:01.49 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.53 | [anDrew] | !lenny |
| 02:01.53 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
| 02:01.55 | beardy | I don't see why it wouldn't. |
| 02:02.09 | beardy | Oh.. I just have to.. |
| 02:02.12 | beardy | !karma |
| 02:02.12 | dpkg | beardy has karma of 4 |
| 02:02.20 | Nyle | !tell [anDrew] -about dpkgbot |
| 02:02.28 | Nyle | !tell [anDrew] -about dpkg.web.search |
| 02:02.34 | enouf | frequents weirdo channels, where they change rules and bots like Nyle changes his underwear |
| 02:02.43 | Nyle | dude |
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| 02:02.46 | Nyle | 1 a day |
| 02:02.50 | Nyle | thats not THAT much |
| 02:02.52 | enouf | bingo |
| 02:03.00 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:03.12 | Nyle | in the summertime I change twice |
| 02:03.19 | Nyle | but thats if i sweat profusely |
| 02:03.22 | [anDrew] | cant i just reinstall the package thing? |
| 02:03.34 | Nyle | [anDrew], man there is no tellin whats up |
| 02:03.37 | beardy | Maybe kilt would be a good option? |
| 02:04.06 | beardy | Nice breeze. |
| 02:04.09 | Nyle | you done fucked something and if you don't care about a reinstall.. go with it |
| 02:04.24 | Nyle | backup/restore obviously the data you need |
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| 02:04.44 | Nyle | maybe its less time consuming and irritating to reinstall |
| 02:04.57 | OBcecado | !wwlr |
| 02:04.57 | [anDrew] | the box is in sweden tho |
| 02:04.58 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 02:04.59 | [anDrew] | im in the uk |
| 02:05.04 | Nyle | ouch |
| 02:05.08 | beardy | [anDrew]: That's why I told you to make backups, because if you will try reinstalling apt, with dpkg, you'll most likely fsck it up completely. |
| 02:05.10 | enouf | [anDrew]: i bet your sources.list entries had a hand in breaking your stuff |
| 02:05.28 | [anDrew] | ? |
| 02:05.35 | [anDrew] | yea most probz enouf |
| 02:05.42 | enouf | seeing how /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
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| 02:05.54 | Nyle | eep |
| 02:06.01 | [anDrew] | <- dont no much about linux |
| 02:06.05 | enouf | [anDrew]: well, there's a reason to stick to official debian repos/mirrors ;-) |
| 02:06.05 | WormFood | http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=6250678 |
| 02:06.19 | Nyle | [anDrew], who admins that box? |
| 02:06.25 | [anDrew] | my m8 |
| 02:06.31 | [anDrew] | but hes thick as shit to |
| 02:06.32 | beardy | The only problem I saw with them was that he had securoty updates for contrib, but not the contrib repo.. |
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| 02:06.34 | Nyle | [anDrew], get in touch with the admin, or tell the owner you don't want to fuck up because you don't know much |
| 02:06.39 | enouf | i ran strings on that puppy, it ain't pretty :-P |
| 02:06.47 | Nyle | don't fuck with it unless you know what to do, otherwise you WILL fuck it up |
| 02:06.50 | Nyle | I guarantee it |
| 02:07.00 | [anDrew] | all i did was apt-get update |
| 02:07.00 | Nyle | . |
| 02:07.00 | [anDrew] | lol |
| 02:07.19 | Nyle | maybe the guy before you had it fucked somehow |
| 02:07.23 | enouf | beardy: heh. /me == strike 2 .. i missed his sources.list paste now too :-/ |
| 02:07.25 | WormFood | Nyle, do we get a money back guarantee if we don't fuck it up? |
| 02:07.52 | Nyle | WormFood, I got fetus soup... no money |
| 02:08.00 | enouf | beardy: but you know how newcomers like to willy nilly add/remove lines from that file ;-) |
| 02:08.01 | Nyle | WormFood, ooooooh burn! ;) |
| 02:08.08 | beardy | enouf: Yep. |
| 02:08.16 | Nyle | WormFood, whats up man, hows china? |
| 02:08.19 | [anDrew] | so theres nothing i can do then is there |
| 02:08.20 | enouf | [anDrew]: one second |
| 02:08.22 | WormFood | great here |
| 02:08.24 | [anDrew] | kk |
| 02:08.30 | [anDrew] | finished his joint |
| 02:08.31 | Nyle | ok really |
| 02:08.37 | Nyle | k is fine, kk is ok too |
| 02:08.40 | WormFood | so far I've been to 5 different Olympic cities :D |
| 02:08.40 | Nyle | just don't ever say kkk |
| 02:08.42 | Nyle | capice? |
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| 02:09.05 | beardy | [anDrew]: Also, next time and in the future, use aptitude instead of apt-get. Same syntax if run interactively, or a nice interactive interface which you will learn quickly. |
| 02:09.09 | WormFood | and I get paid to fly around, and do nothing, other than just be white :D |
| 02:09.19 | beardy | if run noninteractively |
| 02:09.20 | beardy | * |
| 02:09.22 | beardy | .. |
| 02:09.30 | [anDrew] | if i ever fix it |
| 02:09.46 | WormFood | tomorrow, I fly back to shandong....free airfare, food, and hotel...AND they pay me :D |
| 02:10.03 | beardy | [anDrew]: You will, in some way. |
| 02:10.17 | [anDrew] | i really dont fancy formatting it as its not my box lol |
| 02:10.20 | enouf | [anDrew]: i was going to tell you to mv /var/lib/apt/lists to somewhere, but why don't you try this, ..oh crap, no sudoers setup yet? and you can't install anything? |
| 02:10.37 | [anDrew] | i cant install nothing mate |
| 02:10.43 | [anDrew] | unless i do it by src |
| 02:10.47 | [anDrew] | and i dunno how :D |
| 02:10.48 | enouf | [anDrew]: does sudo work? |
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| 02:10.57 | [anDrew] | yup |
| 02:11.00 | [anDrew] | sudo works fine |
| 02:11.00 | beardy | He already is root.. isn't he? |
| 02:11.07 | [anDrew] | yup |
| 02:11.13 | enouf | [anDrew]: can you besome a regular user, and try using sudo now? |
| 02:11.17 | enouf | become |
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| 02:11.37 | [anDrew] | usage: sudo [-HPSb] [-p prompt] [-u username|#uid] |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | can you bosom a regular user? |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | haha |
| 02:11.48 | enouf | beardy: hence my point, i'm thinking something is askew in /root/ |
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| 02:12.23 | enouf | [anDrew]: id -u says? |
| 02:12.39 | WormFood | now that Hans Reiser has shown the police where he hid his wife's body, does that mean we can officially change "reiserfs" to "murderfs"? |
| 02:12.42 | [anDrew] | 1003 |
| 02:12.46 | enouf | ... |
| 02:12.58 | [anDrew] | id -u = 1003 |
| 02:13.00 | enouf | well, ok, who the F is 1003? :-P |
| 02:13.08 | beardy | The third user. |
| 02:13.14 | Nyle | burn |
| 02:13.17 | enouf | [anDrew]: become user 1000 :-) |
| 02:13.35 | [anDrew] | whats user 1000? |
| 02:13.45 | beardy | Your "m8". |
| 02:13.59 | OBcecado | murderfs ftw |
| 02:14.00 | [anDrew] | and how do i do that |
| 02:14.01 | beardy | The interesting question is, who is 1002? |
| 02:14.22 | Nyle | what are cows? |
| 02:14.23 | [anDrew] | theres 5 users on the box |
| 02:14.31 | [anDrew] | thats including root |
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| 02:14.39 | [anDrew] | well thats whats in /home/ |
| 02:14.43 | enouf | [anDrew]: su username .. i'm sure there's an option to pass by UID |
| 02:14.56 | enouf | grep 1000 /etc/passwd |
| 02:15.03 | Nyle | enouf, how exactly is this going to help with anything? |
| 02:15.10 | beardy | wonders that too.. |
| 02:15.12 | enouf | i dunno |
| 02:15.18 | [anDrew] | hansson:x:1000:1000:hansson,,,:/home/hansson:/bin/bash |
| 02:15.18 | Nyle | useless |
| 02:15.20 | enouf | watch and learn? |
| 02:15.23 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:15.29 | Nyle | i'll give you the benefit of the doubt |
| 02:15.33 | enouf | [anDrew]: cool, ok, change to that user |
| 02:15.34 | Nyle | watches and learns |
| 02:15.44 | [anDrew] | ok changed |
| 02:15.55 | enouf | [anDrew]: id -u says? |
| 02:16.03 | [anDrew] | 1000 |
| 02:16.13 | enouf | [anDrew]: sudo apt-get update |
| 02:16.17 | shivamib | how are you gentlemen |
| 02:16.24 | Nyle | fine thank you |
| 02:16.28 | beardy | APTITUDE FFS. Please.. |
| 02:16.40 | enouf | beardy: i only know apt |
| 02:16.41 | amphi | what you say? |
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| 02:16.52 | enouf | [anDrew]: please don't msg me, no need |
| 02:17.01 | wols | enouf: basic knowledge of aptitude is not too hard... |
| 02:17.02 | shivamib | THIS APT HAS SUPER COW POWERS. mmkay |
| 02:17.06 | Coiotes | To a chan op, greeg is inquiring why he is banned. |
| 02:17.06 | enouf | [anDrew]: but sure, if you must |
| 02:17.11 | enouf | wols: i know |
| 02:17.22 | enouf | either other people help, or i do things my way |
| 02:17.22 | Coiotes | maybe it's his host? |
| 02:17.29 | enouf | omg [anDrew] |
| 02:17.34 | [anDrew] | yup |
| 02:17.35 | [anDrew] | :( |
| 02:17.41 | enouf | tell the channel [anDrew] |
| 02:17.49 | [anDrew] | nuhuh |
| 02:17.56 | enouf | uh huh |
| 02:17.56 | Nyle | wtf |
| 02:18.02 | Nyle | whats with this kid |
| 02:18.02 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:18.03 | enouf | omg |
| 02:18.05 | [anDrew] | lol |
| 02:18.15 | enouf | [anDrew]: you tell - or i will |
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| 02:18.22 | [anDrew] | lol |
| 02:18.27 | [anDrew] | I LOST THE ROOT PASS =[ |
| 02:18.39 | WormFood | 哈哈哈 |
| 02:18.39 | enouf | [anDrew]: and what did that command i gave you return anyway ;-) |
| 02:18.54 | [anDrew] | which one now? |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | ... |
| 02:19.00 | beardy | Irrelevant, you had a # prompt.. what are you up to. |
| 02:19.06 | enouf | [anDrew]: sudo apt-get update |
| 02:19.08 | [anDrew] | Password: |
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| 02:19.25 | enouf | so, enter user's passwd |
| 02:19.27 | [anDrew] | i had # promt because i been using the splice exploit since last night |
| 02:19.35 | WormFood | resetting the root password, us trivial, 99.999% of the time |
| 02:19.38 | WormFood | is* |
| 02:19.50 | [anDrew] | i dunno the users 1000 pass |
| 02:20.09 | beardy | [anDrew]: What the fuck is that? |
| 02:20.10 | enouf | [anDrew]: wait, you were 1003 ? i thought you were root wtf? |
| 02:20.14 | shivamib | [anDrew]: ACK! |
| 02:20.14 | enouf | earlier |
| 02:20.20 | [anDrew] | i was root earlyer |
| 02:20.27 | [anDrew] | using the splice exploit |
| 02:20.27 | enouf | gives up |
| 02:20.31 | Nyle | vmsplice |
| 02:20.31 | enouf | [anDrew]: i tried |
| 02:20.34 | [anDrew] | ^ |
| 02:20.39 | Nyle | he has hacked a box somewhere in sweden |
| 02:20.41 | Nyle | Ithink |
| 02:20.47 | [anDrew] | no its my box |
| 02:20.48 | Nyle | and he wasnts ti install eggdrop on it |
| 02:20.52 | [anDrew] | my mate just hosts it |
| 02:20.54 | beardy | Fucking idiot. |
| 02:21.06 | Nyle | beardy, there is no need for namecalling. |
| 02:21.10 | [anDrew] | hansson@Spliff:~$ ls /home/ |
| 02:21.10 | [anDrew] | anD |
| 02:21.21 | shivamib | slaps beardy |
| 02:21.24 | beardy | Nyle: There is. |
| 02:21.28 | Nyle | [anDrew], I was just guessing, if I am wrong I apologize. |
| 02:21.29 | beardy | And who are you. |
| 02:21.40 | Nyle | yeh who the fuck is that |
| 02:21.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:21.53 | [anDrew] | how the fuck am i suppost to hack a box i no fuck all bow linux |
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| 02:21.55 | Nyle | only my mom can slap me and get away with it |
| 02:22.01 | [anDrew] | the vmsplice exploit was my mates idea |
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| 02:22.06 | Nyle | anyone else, I'll fucking put you in a body bag ;) |
| 02:22.07 | shivamib | onoes |
| 02:22.10 | enouf | slaps Nyle 's bottom :-P |
| 02:22.10 | dcnoye | is there anything special i have to do, to do a install of debian on ppc machine ? |
| 02:22.16 | Nyle | enouf, ew fag ! ;) |
| 02:22.23 | Nyle | j/k |
| 02:22.26 | enouf | Nyle: how about dpkg ? can she slap you? |
| 02:22.33 | shivamib | hey, just trying to keep it friendly |
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| 02:22.40 | shivamib | no need for random slapping |
| 02:22.47 | Nyle | dcnoye, /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:22.52 | Coiotes | Can someone check to see why the user greeg is banned? |
| 02:22.55 | enouf | if it involves fish, it can be fun ;-) |
| 02:22.58 | Nyle | chose ppc and read the ppc install guide for debian 4.0r3 |
| 02:23.00 | Nyle | enjoy |
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| 02:23.23 | [anDrew] | sooo |
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| 02:23.42 | enouf | like .. there's a huge difference between a trout and a petrified coelacanth O_o |
| 02:23.56 | Nyle | slaps enouf around a bit with a small whale |
| 02:24.00 | Nyle | er.. large trout |
| 02:24.01 | Nyle | i think |
| 02:24.02 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:24.09 | Nyle | ehh. same size |
| 02:24.09 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:24.24 | enouf | Beluga |
| 02:24.26 | shivamib | large brown trout? |
| 02:24.44 | enouf | now Striped Bass .. there's a nice one the weild |
| 02:24.49 | enouf | er wield |
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| 02:26.07 | [anDrew] | .... |
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| 02:26.22 | Nyle | shark meat |
| 02:26.37 | shivamib | ew |
| 02:26.53 | shivamib | dogfish meat ftw |
| 02:26.53 | Nyle | smoked/cooked over sandlewood |
| 02:26.54 | CrippsFX | I have /dev/ppp0 connected to my work vpn. How would I get my applications to look to the vpn connection (i.e. firefox for intraweb, kmail for smtp ...)? |
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| 02:27.10 | Nyle | CrippsFX, good question |
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| 02:27.28 | enouf | http_proxy? |
| 02:27.35 | CrippsFX | Nyle, I take that as a compliment :) |
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| 02:28.21 | CrippsFX | enouf, hmm ... that would make sense to forward just the http traffic ... I was hoping for something maybe a little more broad. |
| 02:28.48 | enouf | Nyle: i have a question; how does 7 bottles of beer + fried chicken + 3-5 hours simmering in the gut == Broccoli smell ? O_o |
| 02:29.22 | Nyle | enouf, like you. |
| 02:29.28 | Nyle | go take a bath. |
| 02:29.32 | enouf | CrippsFX: i'm guessing, so .. don't really know ... hrm, tried ##networking? |
| 02:29.32 | Nyle | buy some soap |
| 02:29.36 | Nyle | ooooh burn! |
| 02:29.38 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:29.48 | CrippsFX | enouf, hm. didn't know there was one. |
| 02:29.56 | CrippsFX | I'll check it out. |
| 02:30.02 | beardy | !mhallsmite shivamib |
| 02:30.05 | enouf | Nyle: i thought you might know, that's ok ;-) |
| 02:30.06 | beardy | Night.. |
| 02:30.14 | Nyle | I don't drink and I don't eat fried crap |
| 02:30.17 | enouf | nighty |
| 02:30.28 | enouf | Nyle: oh, ok .. |
| 02:30.43 | enouf | slaps Nyle around with a bit of elephant :-p |
| 02:30.44 | amphi | alas, poor Nyle ;) |
| 02:30.48 | Nyle | !nyeet |
| 02:30.49 | dpkg | Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 02:30.51 | Nyle | see |
| 02:30.55 | Nyle | i hardly eat/drink anything |
| 02:31.00 | shivamib | what is this trickery you perform?! |
| 02:31.28 | Nyle | i gotta go pickup roommate from college |
| 02:31.29 | Nyle | later |
| 02:33.40 | CrippsFX | your mom goes to college? |
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| 02:36.48 | enouf | CrippsFX: interesting, how an iface is listed in /dev/ ? what does ls /sys/class/net show? |
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| 02:37.19 | enouf | (well, not really an iface, but a device, i suppose) |
| 02:37.20 | Corkster | uh whoops |
| 02:37.40 | CrippsFX | enouf, oops ... guess it's not in /dev ;) ... it's under /sys/class/net |
| 02:37.47 | enouf | haha |
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| 02:37.52 | CrippsFX | ...but there *is* a /dev/ppp :P |
| 02:37.54 | enouf | show us man |
| 02:38.02 | enouf | i know, i have one too :-P |
| 02:38.05 | enouf | i checked |
| 02:38.33 | CrippsFX | you want me to pastebin /sys/class/net ? |
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| 02:38.46 | enouf | ls should be one line |
| 02:38.52 | CrippsFX | meh ... it's one line: eth1 lo ppp0 wlan0 wmaster0 |
| 02:39.00 | enouf | eth0 lo sit0 |
| 02:39.02 | CrippsFX | you beat me to that "one liner" thing |
| 02:39.11 | enouf | ok |
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| 02:39.39 | CrippsFX | wmaster0 is an oddity that happens when using iwl3945 ... it doesn't do anything. |
| 02:39.42 | enouf | so, how now, to bind your apps to that ppp0 iface? |
| 02:39.46 | enouf | maybe sysctl ? |
| 02:39.55 | enouf | CrippsFX: wmaster is ok |
| 02:39.59 | enouf | !wmaster |
| 02:40.00 | CrippsFX | never used that before. |
| 02:40.08 | enouf | crap .. wheere is that |
| 02:40.12 | enouf | !wmaster0 |
| 02:40.13 | dpkg | somebody said wmaster0 was an internal interface that is created by mac80211-based wireless drivers to represent the physical card, where as wlan0 is the network interface. Wmaster0 is *not* the interface that you should configure. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211#Themasterdevicewmaster0 |
| 02:40.13 | CrippsFX | lol |
| 02:40.17 | enouf | there :-P |
| 02:40.45 | Supaplex | it's a wasabbi interface by day |
| 02:40.46 | enouf | your wlan0 is using it .. |
| 02:40.49 | CrippsFX | makes sense ... just kind of annoying looking at the thing ;) |
| 02:40.59 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:41.47 | enouf | CrippsFX: how about the bind pkg? really, dunno though |
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| 02:42.36 | enouf | crap, it's bind9 and it's a Name Server :-p |
| 02:42.45 | CrippsFX | darn. |
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| 02:43.09 | CrippsFX | sysctl looks like it might prevent vpnc from using wlan0 to connect ... |
| 02:43.18 | enouf | you could set up a Bridge? for vlan? .. what happens if you bring down the other ifaces? |
| 02:43.41 | enouf | ahh, so you do need/want those other ifaces up? |
| 02:43.44 | CrippsFX | if I bring down the other interfaces (including wlan0) it disconnects. |
| 02:43.47 | CrippsFX | yeah. |
| 02:43.51 | enouf | then tell the specific apps which to use? |
| 02:44.16 | enouf | oh your wlan0 connects to or is an AP? |
| 02:44.41 | CrippsFX | wlan0 connects to my wireless AP ... I've got no physical connection. |
| 02:44.55 | CrippsFX | so, vpnc uses wlan0 to make a connection to the vpn |
| 02:45.12 | enouf | so where does ppp0 come into this? |
| 02:45.13 | CrippsFX | ... and makes a tunnel device, ppp0 |
| 02:45.15 | enouf | i know, i suck |
| 02:45.19 | enouf | ahhh |
| 02:45.20 | CrippsFX | :) |
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| 02:45.39 | CrippsFX | so, basically, I want everything but the vpn client to use ppp0 |
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| 02:46.19 | enouf | tried #vpn ? or .. #wireless? or #vpnc? .. even try ##linux |
| 02:47.10 | CrippsFX | yeah, I'm in ##linux as well ... haven't asked yet ... I'm also perusing google as we type. |
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| 02:50.07 | smallfoot- | Hans Reiser has been charged for the murder of his wife and will be imprisoned for 15 years. The police have now found the body. It sadens me to hear this. This is a very unfortunate tragedy - not that his wife is dead, but that now perhaps he wont be able to develop Reiser4, the kickass file system. :( |
| 02:50.11 | smallfoot- | Is it possible for him to work on Reiser4 inside jail? |
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| 02:50.47 | Tramp | !offtopic |
| 02:50.47 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
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| 02:51.57 | dimedo | hi, i have a problem: i'm root and chroot says "/bin/bash Permission denied", it's there, and it has 755 permission |
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| 02:52.34 | dimedo | and it's an exact copy from the non chroot /bin/bash |
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| 02:59.40 | enouf | dimedo: does just chroot /target emit that error? |
| 03:00.19 | enouf | dimedo: does /lib/libc.so.6 exist in the chroot? |
| 03:01.33 | Coiotes | Is there a way to run Debian setup in debug mode? |
| 03:01.42 | dimedo | enouf, sry, i got it already solved, the libs had no execute permission |
| 03:01.47 | Coiotes | I am trying to install, but the installer freezes after it detects hardware. |
| 03:01.48 | enouf | Coiotes: BOOT_DEBUG=3 ? |
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| 03:01.56 | Coiotes | enouf, I'll try that.. |
| 03:01.57 | enouf | it's in the Installation guide |
| 03:02.01 | enouf | !ig |
| 03:02.01 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 03:02.31 | enouf | Coiotes: switch to alt-f4 to see system messages |
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| 03:03.48 | enouf | dimedo: [22:58:06] <dimedo> codergeek42, i've got it. the libs needed execute permission <-- yeah? |
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| 03:05.11 | dimedo | enouf, yes |
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| 03:06.17 | dimedo | enouf, i think it's strange because in the base system, they've got no execute permission, only libc, but if i give the execute permission only to libc it again says that /bin/bash isn't allowed |
| 03:06.21 | enouf | dimedo: aye |
| 03:06.24 | Coiotes | enouf, hmm, not sure what I am doing wrong, at the boot prompt I type boot_debug=3, and it says it could not find kernel image: boot_debu=3 |
| 03:06.26 | Coiotes | debug* |
| 03:06.35 | enouf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1356012 2008-01-12 15:22 /lib/libc-2.7.so <-- that other is a symlink |
| 03:07.02 | enouf | Coiotes: i think the term DEBUG is off maybe - read the guide please |
| 03:07.17 | enouf | Coiotes: also f1-f10 might tell you |
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| 03:08.21 | Coiotes | enouf, just had to put install before it |
| 03:08.34 | Coiotes | install BOOT_DEBUG=3 =x |
| 03:09.14 | enouf | BOOT_DEBUG=3 Shells are run at various points in the boot process to allow detailed debugging. Exit the shell to continue the boot. |
| 03:09.21 | Coiotes | hmm likes like the system message shows it's stuck on Searching for Debian installation media. |
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| 03:09.32 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 03:09.46 | enouf | Coiotes: likely newer hardware |
| 03:09.53 | rxMokka | what sources.list line is needed to use packages described at 'http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports'? etch-backports does not seem to exist under 'http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/' as I was expecting |
| 03:09.58 | enouf | and your cdrom controller isn't supported |
| 03:10.06 | Coiotes | ooo, it got a kernel panic |
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| 03:10.23 | Coiotes | enouf, it's old old hardware. |
| 03:10.25 | enouf | Coiotes: is that etch installer? |
| 03:10.34 | Coiotes | enouf, yes. |
| 03:10.51 | lontra | what groups does a user need to belong to do have write priviledges to a cd-rom or dvd-rom? i.e. this users can't write to dvds w/ nautilus but i want it to |
| 03:10.52 | Coiotes | <0> Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt. |
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| 03:11.14 | enouf | lontra: cdrom |
| 03:11.30 | lontra | enouf: thanks |
| 03:11.46 | Coiotes | It kernel panicked after an EIP ide_execute command |
| 03:11.56 | enouf | lontra: /msg dpkg automount <--in case nautilus mounts funny |
| 03:12.07 | Coiotes | enouf, why'd you ask if it was the Etch installer? |
| 03:12.15 | enouf | Coiotes: yikes, what's the hardware? |
| 03:12.35 | Coiotes | enouf, it's a '98 Gateway G6-300 |
| 03:12.41 | enouf | Coiotes: because there are others' less stable |
| 03:12.45 | rxMokka | oh, looks like that is a listing for backports.org, interesting... I thought backports.org was a totally seperate deal |
| 03:12.54 | enouf | Coiotes: that should work, so long as there's no bad hardware |
| 03:13.04 | Coiotes | Well it kernel panicked for some reason. |
| 03:13.16 | enouf | Coiotes: well, are you sure nothing's broken, hardware wise? |
| 03:13.41 | Coiotes | enouf, nope, this was something a family member bought cheap and never used, was going to toss it so I took it. |
| 03:13.45 | shivamib | my box was having all sorts of funny hw issues |
| 03:13.55 | Coiotes | How would I check for breakage? Ultimate Boot CD or some such |
| 03:13.55 | Coiotes | ? |
| 03:13.58 | enouf | Coiotes: do some diags |
| 03:14.02 | shivamib | i accidentaly dropped it and it fixed itself |
| 03:14.03 | enouf | yeah |
| 03:14.08 | enouf | and memtest86+ |
| 03:14.11 | enouf | check the BIOS |
| 03:14.17 | shivamib | bogons, i say |
| 03:14.26 | enouf | ensure the Mobo CMOS jumper is in correct position |
| 03:14.32 | enouf | replace that battery, etc |
| 03:14.45 | enouf | the PSU might suck - the RAM maybe fried |
| 03:14.49 | shivamib | i recommend kicking it in that 'special' spot |
| 03:14.51 | enouf | anything |
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| 03:15.13 | enouf | Coiotes: got all that? then ask in #hardware |
| 03:15.20 | enouf | Coiotes: also, try a LiveCd boot |
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| 03:16.04 | enouf | Coiotes: oh, one last thing, though shouldn't be an issue, check for bulging leaky mobo capacitors |
| 03:16.13 | enouf | always possible |
| 03:16.32 | Coiotes | bulging leaky mobo capacitors? |
| 03:16.37 | enouf | yep |
| 03:16.42 | enouf | !capacitors |
| 03:16.42 | dpkg | [capacitors] no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail. If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging. See http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=78 for the story and http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i303/30328_4mg.jpg for a photo, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 03:16.49 | Coiotes | Heh, looking inside of this thing, the heat sync is so massive it's absurd |
| 03:16.55 | Coiotes | for a PII 300mhz |
| 03:17.05 | enouf | Coiotes: that's a passive Slot1 p2 Heat sync |
| 03:17.10 | enouf | Coiotes: i have one here |
| 03:17.16 | enouf | Coiotes: i'm talking to you from it |
| 03:17.36 | Coiotes | Is that your primary machine? |
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| 03:18.14 | subsume | Hello channel. I am wondering how Debian can help me prepare for the end of the internet. |
| 03:18.39 | shivamib | machine rebellion |
| 03:18.41 | enouf | Coiotes: yep, for now |
| 03:18.41 | subsume | And what precautions are in place for the doom that is surely going to meet us? |
| 03:18.59 | subsume | shivamib: please do not mock me. Its clear that trouble is ahead. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article4271879.ece |
| 03:19.01 | enouf | Coiotes: added SDRAM, new CollerMaster 600w PSU .. ;-O |
| 03:19.02 | Coiotes | enouf, using CLI or a DE? |
| 03:19.08 | enouf | both |
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| 03:19.23 | dimedo | is there a way to give openssh-server a whitelist of users which should be allowed to login? |
| 03:19.44 | amphi | heh, Murdoch noticeed |
| 03:19.47 | enouf | had to CRAM this PSU in there - it won't mount, unless i cut out the hole larger and drilled new case mounting holes ;-) |
| 03:19.48 | amphi | *noticed |
| 03:19.49 | shivamib | im not dude, i've just had some serious hw issues |
| 03:19.58 | shivamib | i feel your pain |
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| 03:20.04 | subsume | haha |
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| 03:20.06 | subsume | I am kidding. |
| 03:20.16 | shivamib | so am i |
| 03:20.20 | shivamib | in that only serious kind of way |
| 03:20.24 | subsume | But I am curious: what does this whole IPv6 thing have to do with me as a system administrator? |
| 03:20.43 | amphi | shivamib: you are a victim of RotM?? |
| 03:20.59 | enouf | gah, the ipv6 crapola again? |
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| 03:21.06 | subsume | I know I'm going to sound like a total retard, but I expect my lashing will be from someone pretty knowledgable and I hope from my whip-marks I am able to divine something intelligible. |
| 03:22.05 | subsume | Whenever I install network related applications I notice options for ipv6 compatibility.. so... is the issue more to do with hubs and not web-hosts like myself? |
| 03:22.08 | shivamib | amphi: yes |
| 03:22.35 | amphi | I don't know whether to congratulate or commiserate |
| 03:22.43 | shivamib | funny thing is, it fixed itself when it fell down |
| 03:22.44 | enouf | subsume: ##networking |
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| 03:22.51 | subsume | enouf: k. thanks. |
| 03:23.04 | shivamib | must've been leaking bogons |
| 03:23.28 | enouf | subsume: maybe even #security .. use your marbles for proper channels ;-) |
| 03:23.36 | subsume | danke. |
| 03:23.44 | enouf | np |
| 03:23.46 | n3kl | Can someone tell me if there is an option to kill wpa_supplicant when restarting network or something? |
| 03:24.12 | enouf | n3kl: how are you restarting net? |
| 03:24.13 | n3kl | If I restart network, wpa does not reinitilize and I can't back on the network unless I kill wpa_supplicant |
| 03:24.29 | enouf | n3kl: checked the BTS yet? |
| 03:24.48 | n3kl | enouf: well, its through powersaved when I go on suspend to ram, but if I do it /etc/init.d/networking restart produces the same thing |
| 03:24.52 | n3kl | enouf: bts? |
| 03:26.05 | enouf | i would imagine it might have to do with all these dirs/ but i could be wrong; in /etc/network/ if-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ if-post-down.d/ if-up.d/ |
| 03:26.13 | enouf | !bts |
| 03:26.14 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 03:26.37 | enouf | though .. now you're talking about the suspend acpi scripts |
| 03:27.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:28.03 | n3kl | hmm, there is a wpa_spplicant script in the /etc/network I will have to poke around. Thanks for the directive |
| 03:28.12 | jaggz- | etch has a bunch of postgresql 7.4 packages (old) .. it also offers 8.1 |
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| 03:28.52 | jaggz- | but it looks like I have to remove a bunch of 7.4 packages by hand (in aptitude).. I'd like to upgrade to 8.1 (newer is better, but if it only packs 8.1 then I'll just use that)... how can I do this more cleanly? |
| 03:28.56 | jaggz- | more cleanerer |
| 03:29.16 | shivamib | 3rd time is the charm |
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| 03:30.01 | ProN00b | can anyone tell me how i can get checkinstall or a tool doing the same on etch ? |
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| 03:34.12 | jaggz- | what do I hit in aptitude to make an automatically-held back program update to the latest version? |
| 03:34.53 | jaggz- | I could go in and + on the latest version.. that seems to work.. but it doesn't work on the versionless package base name |
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| 03:37.04 | jaggz- | also, how can I get aptitude to show the files in an already-installed packake? (dpkg -L pkgname) |
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| 03:42.38 | Pascat | Heylos folks, having a little problem here doing updates >.< |
| 03:43.09 | Pascat | I need to install... hm libperl5.10 manually after aptitude's had it downloaded. |
| 03:43.17 | Pascat | forgot where they are downloaded >.> |
| 03:43.28 | Pascat | and Googling for it gave me little to no answers. |
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| 03:44.17 | n3kl | enouf: thanks for the tip. No BTS problem. just needed to restart /etc/init.d/wpa-ifupdown also. |
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| 03:45.50 | enouf | n3kl: welcome - and interesting, shouldn't the acpi scripts have that as one in it's list? |
| 03:46.32 | enouf | n3kl: there's a {or two} acpi-support pkg(s) |
| 03:46.41 | micols | anyone compiled the new gegl from svn? i got some weird error when compiling gegl-buffer-index.h:132: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'goffset, trying to compile gimp-2.5 for etch |
| 03:47.05 | micols | tried all other gegls also, but gimp wont run with any other versions and most of them fail to compile |
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| 03:50.38 | enouf | Pascat: well, if one used apt-get -d to just d/l it would be in where all the other .debs are .. in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 03:51.00 | enouf | Pascat: or /var/cache/aptitude/archives ? i don't use aptitude, so not sure |
| 03:51.12 | Pascat | aptitude uses apt heh |
| 03:51.36 | enouf | yeah, but aotitude has it's own logs, etc |
| 03:51.49 | enouf | ~$ ls /var/lib/ap |
| 03:51.50 | enouf | apache/ apt/ aptitude/ |
| 03:52.01 | enouf | for example as well |
| 03:52.04 | Pascat | alright, well, they're in the apt part anyway. |
| 03:52.36 | enouf | Pascat: might run updatedb; then locate <keyword> next time ;-) |
| 03:52.55 | Pascat | >.> |
| 03:53.17 | enouf | Pascat: i use dloacte also, often, update-dlocatedb :-P |
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| 03:53.33 | enouf | Pascat: i use /dlocate/ also, often, update-dlocatedb :-P |
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| 03:54.03 | Pascat | ... >.> crap, its been a while since I've manually installed packages >.> |
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| 03:57.39 | n3kl | How can I tell which repo will be used to install a package? |
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| 04:01.25 | mynick2 | Q: Any idea on how to install cd/r driver on Linux Mint? It's not detected on my nx6110 laptop. Running from USB stick. Thanks a lot |
| 04:02.44 | simonrvn | "Linux Mint"? cd/r driver? |
| 04:03.03 | mynick2 | sorry if it's off topic, don't know where to ask |
| 04:03.14 | mynick2 | Linux Mint is a debian/ubuntu based distro |
| 04:03.42 | simonrvn | wrong chan. don't they have a channel? try there, else try #ubuntu. |
| 04:03.51 | mynick2 | my cdrom driver seems unknown by the os (im running it from a usb stick) |
| 04:04.00 | mynick2 | ok |
| 04:04.09 | mynick2 | thanks |
| 04:04.14 | simonrvn | that's just a kernel driver; modprobing it should do |
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| 04:04.22 | simonrvn | gl |
| 04:04.36 | mynick2 | thanks |
| 04:04.50 | wols | n-iCe: apt-cache policy tells you |
| 04:05.02 | wols | n3kl: ^^ |
| 04:06.38 | Pascat | wee |
| 04:06.55 | simonrvn | bathroom's that way --> |
| 04:06.58 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:07.23 | Pascat | that was a squeal of joy |
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| 04:08.40 | simonrvn | i know ;) |
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| 04:08.45 | Pascat | Oh, by the way... Are there tools out there to transform DOS-format files into Linux format ones? ... Transfering from Windows back to Linux (Setting files for xchat mostly) kinda creates annoying mistakes. I think a means to clean out the excess tabulation automatically would really ease my life. |
| 04:09.00 | simonrvn | tofrodos package |
| 04:09.14 | Pascat | Thanks simon! |
| 04:09.17 | simonrvn | and unexpand and expand for the tabs |
| 04:09.31 | Pascat | unexpand and expand? |
| 04:09.31 | simonrvn | IIRC those are in coreutils |
| 04:09.39 | simonrvn | !find bin/expand |
| 04:09.42 | simonrvn | commands |
| 04:09.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/expand' (2): (/usr/bin/expand) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/expandxar) in non-free/libdevel/libxar-dev. |
| 04:09.54 | simonrvn | yeh, coreutils |
| 04:10.51 | Pascat | So, which of those would be more accurate to what I just wanna do? heh. |
| 04:12.29 | simonrvn | that's what --help exists for ;) |
| 04:13.15 | Pascat | Right. I'll --help all those commands. :) |
| 04:13.46 | Pascat | right after I'm done installing and compiling fglrx. |
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| 04:14.35 | simonrvn | have fun |
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| 04:18.59 | simonrvn | BTW, i edited the z25 factoid slightly. added stuff: |
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| 04:19.03 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 04:19.03 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 04:19.19 | Nyle | ding! |
| 04:19.31 | simonrvn | dong! |
| 04:19.41 | Nyle | hey |
| 04:19.41 | Decepticon | is ther esome limitations with sshfs transfer speeds |
| 04:19.52 | Nyle | encryption overhead |
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| 04:19.59 | Decepticon | ohman youre right |
| 04:20.01 | Nyle | try nfs... |
| 04:20.10 | simonrvn | sure, the encrpytion overhead for one thing, plus network latency. |
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| 04:20.14 | Decepticon | :( i dont know i did mv... might not be a good idea |
| 04:20.17 | Decepticon | to cancel it |
| 04:20.24 | simonrvn | ^c |
| 04:20.29 | Decepticon | ill lose the file no |
| 04:20.30 | Decepticon | ? |
| 04:20.38 | Decepticon | on both machines |
| 04:20.51 | simonrvn | oh, probably ok. the file won't be unlinked until it's completely copied over |
| 04:21.03 | simonrvn | mv is more of a cp+rm |
| 04:21.09 | Decepticon | i see gotcha |
| 04:21.19 | Decepticon | but what do i need to set up for nfs |
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| 04:21.28 | Decepticon | all i have is sshfs, and samba so far, and ftp |
| 04:21.32 | simonrvn | gotta love *nix for that sort of forethought |
| 04:21.47 | Decepticon | i think ftp would be fastest |
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| 04:22.14 | Decepticon | hm ok, it wont ^c out of the mv operation |
| 04:22.14 | simonrvn | if it's not secure data, and no login needed, sure |
| 04:22.32 | simonrvn | it might delay |
| 04:22.53 | Decepticon | well im pressing ti down, it doesnt want to stop |
| 04:23.13 | mimcpher | Decepticon, to abort a mv, it needs to delete the stuff its already copied. |
| 04:23.25 | simonrvn | let it go then, it'll cut out, or won't. |
| 04:23.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 04:23.43 | simonrvn | it's not instant ;) |
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| 04:24.43 | Decepticon | is there another way to killthis oepration |
| 04:24.47 | Decepticon | *kill this operation |
| 04:25.14 | Decepticon | i dont see a mv process in ps aux |
| 04:25.24 | Decepticon | is it just hanged? |
| 04:25.38 | enouf | Decepticon: note though, that a 'mv' within the same FS just updates the inodes, so much quicker :-P |
| 04:28.02 | Decepticon | well i killed the screen window it was in |
| 04:28.07 | Decepticon | ctrl-a k |
| 04:28.15 | Decepticon | and my orignal file disappeared :/ |
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| 04:30.57 | dsl1 | hello all |
| 04:31.09 | dsl1 | I seem to have a problem with apt-get |
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| 04:31.33 | dsl1 | when I give apt-get install caca-utils, I get something like this |
| 04:31.35 | dsl1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:31.35 | dsl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.38 | dsl1 | E: Broken packages |
| 04:32.16 | dsl1 | does anyone have anyidea how we should solve this? |
| 04:33.43 | jbinder | Is this etch? |
| 04:33.50 | jbinder | dsl1: * |
| 04:34.55 | jbinder | I'm assuming apt-get install libimlib2 doesn't work? |
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| 04:35.52 | Decepticon | enouf what is a file transfer utility that shows a progress, something like wget |
| 04:36.21 | Decepticon | except i dont have a httpd to work with here, i have sshd, ftpd, and ... thats it |
| 04:36.25 | Decepticon | and maybe samba |
| 04:36.33 | jaggz- | is it okay to drink and program? |
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| 04:36.45 | ryty | jaggz-: depends on the drink ;-) |
| 04:36.47 | enouf | well, with dd, pretty sure you can send it a kill -SIGUSER .. but better to just 'watch df' ;-) |
| 04:36.52 | jaggz- | nevermind.. I'll ask my friend who's a doctor and a programmer.. but he's not muslim.. hmm |
| 04:36.54 | enouf | gah |
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| 04:37.12 | enouf | i meant SIGUSR1 |
| 04:37.27 | jaggz- | I don't know.. what should I drink? |
| 04:37.27 | coagent | Hello, I would like to setup load balancing and fail over for a single LAN that is served by two different routers both with one upstream connection to a provider I do not control, I have read many different guides and setup but it seems that it is not possible to do this without installing some kind of software on upstream router. Any suggestions? |
| 04:37.49 | jaggz- | anyway.. nevermind. |
| 04:38.01 | jaggz- | I'll settle for my coffee here and some water later |
| 04:39.55 | simonrvn | enouf: you do know stuff. cool :). |
| 04:40.14 | Decepticon | anyone know? |
| 04:42.50 | simonrvn | know what? |
| 04:43.30 | Decepticon | what kind of file transfering utility is there that has some kind of progress indications like wget does |
| 04:43.46 | Decepticon | wget is for http, i am limited to ssh, ftp, and samba |
| 04:43.47 | enouf | simonrvn: heh, i'm not useless after all? :-p |
| 04:43.59 | dsl1 | jbinder: yes. this is etch. |
| 04:44.18 | dsl1 | jabular: I'm using Damn small linux and my kernel is like very very old..2.4.31 |
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| 04:44.52 | dsl1 | jabular: and you bet, apt-get install libimlib2 doesn't work |
| 04:45.07 | simonrvn | enouf: no :P. hehe, did kinda sound that way, didn't it. more of an appreciation of the work you do here. same goes for the other helpers. thanks all of you. |
| 04:45.23 | jbinder | dsl1: Oh :\ |
| 04:45.41 | jbinder | dsl1: Well then I honestly don't know. |
| 04:45.45 | jbinder | Gtg, bbl. |
| 04:45.50 | peterrooney | !drink |
| 04:45.51 | dpkg | *SLUUUUURP* *SLUUUUURP* some kawfee |
| 04:46.01 | enouf | simonrvn: hey! don't sell yourself short! ;-) |
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| 04:46.46 | peterrooney | jaggz-: does that answer your question? |
| 04:46.50 | simonrvn | enouf: i'm not |
| 04:47.17 | simonrvn | enouf: i just don't talk about myself when thanking other people. |
| 04:48.49 | dsl1 | jbinder: oh..that's ok |
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| 04:52.38 | simonrvn | hmm, work on web pages or play a game...? web pages need help |
| 04:52.51 | enouf | simonrvn: well then, allow me to thank you :-) |
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| 04:53.29 | simonrvn | !coffee jaggz- |
| 04:53.29 | dpkg | decants a fine mud of organic, freetrade Jamaican Blue Mountain for jaggz-, courtesy of simonrvn |
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| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | freetrade? |
| 04:53.59 | peterS | it's like fair trade, but more capitalist? |
| 04:54.09 | simonrvn | !coffee (.*?) =~ s,freetrade,fair trade, |
| 04:54.09 | dpkg | simonrvn: i didn't have anything called 'coffee (.*?)' to modify |
| 04:54.18 | simonrvn | duh |
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| 04:55.18 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:55.47 | enouf | try literal cmd ? |
| 04:55.54 | asarch | Hey guys, what is the name of the song which starts at 2:50? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DBY4iWWec |
| 04:56.06 | peterS | I want some NAFTA coffee now |
| 04:56.11 | niru | does HP compaq machines support debian |
| 04:56.21 | simonrvn | got it =) |
| 04:56.23 | niru | if yes why I am unable to shutdown the hp machine |
| 04:56.33 | simonrvn | i'd just forgotten the cmd: |
| 04:56.49 | asarch | Please, please, please :-( |
| 04:56.51 | simonrvn | probably need some apmd or acpid running |
| 04:56.56 | enouf | hrm .. fine mud of ? |
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| 04:57.22 | enouf | s/some fine mud of/a fine mug :-p |
| 04:57.23 | shivamib | !trivia |
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| 04:58.48 | Guerin | peterS: decaf organic fairtrade grande trim soy latte? |
| 04:58.58 | peterS | gosh |
| 04:59.13 | enouf | soy? ugh |
| 04:59.28 | peterS | Guerin: if I drink that, do I also have to make out with Steve Jobs? |
| 04:59.33 | Guerin | my bro runs one of the most famous cafes in NZ, and they get orders for this sort of shit with frequency |
| 04:59.43 | Guerin | peterS: you wish! |
| 04:59.52 | peterS | thinks different |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | peterS: iHopeso |
| 05:00.16 | shivamib | you drink shit for coffee? |
| 05:00.28 | Guerin | shivamib: no, mactards do |
| 05:00.32 | shivamib | oh |
| 05:00.33 | Guerin | or that is the assertion |
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| 05:00.51 | peterS | yeah I can't really prove it, but there seems to be an overlap in subcultures |
| 05:01.20 | shivamib | fortunately i have teh badass coffee over here |
| 05:01.27 | shivamib | so no need to drink shit |
| 05:01.35 | shivamib | unless you're a mactard, obviously |
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| 05:01.48 | Guerin | obviously |
| 05:01.58 | shivamib | just felt the need to point it out |
| 05:02.16 | shivamib | thank you all for your attention |
| 05:02.46 | enouf | niru: is it a laptop? new? old? |
| 05:03.21 | niru | enouf, its a desktop machine hp compaq dc7800p convertable minitower |
| 05:03.59 | enouf | niru: ~what year was that made? |
| 05:04.05 | simonrvn | enouf: fixed |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | simonrvn: sweet |
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| 05:04.15 | niru | enouf, why |
| 05:04.22 | niru | enouf, is that important |
| 05:04.27 | enouf | niru: yes |
| 05:04.45 | enouf | niru: i have old hardware |
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| 05:04.54 | enouf | niru: just save me from googling ;-P |
| 05:05.02 | niru | enouf, it was bought a month back |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | ok .. cool |
| 05:05.29 | niru | enouf, I gave acpi=off apm power_off=1 in kernel line of menu.list |
| 05:05.36 | enouf | hrm .. can you pastebin your /var/log/dmesg? |
| 05:05.37 | peterS | hmmm, dpkg has a bug in it. 'infinity' as a substring of a nick totally ought to count for something in the 'ometer |
| 05:05.40 | enouf | Ahaha |
| 05:05.52 | infinitycircuit | peterS: huh? |
| 05:05.54 | niru | and apm=poweoff in /etc/modules |
| 05:06.09 | simonrvn | why there? |
| 05:06.13 | peterS | infinitycircuit: if your nick has a word like 'death' in it, it gets certain lameness points |
| 05:06.13 | enouf | niru: you shouldn't need any apm related params |
| 05:06.17 | niru | enouf, its shows System halted |
| 05:06.22 | Guerin | peterS: i concur |
| 05:06.23 | peterS | 'infinity' isn't quite the same, but. |
| 05:06.24 | infinitycircuit | uh ok |
| 05:06.27 | niru | enouf, then? |
| 05:06.28 | enouf | niru: and why acpi=off ? |
| 05:06.47 | niru | enouf, that machine was not starting and when acpi=off was given it booted |
| 05:07.12 | enouf | niru: real buggy BIOS? |
| 05:07.17 | peterS | infinitycircuit: you get major lameness points for mixing upper and lower case, numbers and punctuation into the nick. all-lowercase is considered non-lame |
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| 05:07.20 | enouf | a new machine shouldn |
| 05:07.47 | enouf | niru: a new machine shouldnt have those issues .. mainly, if they do, they are laptops |
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| 05:10.26 | enouf | peterS: shame we can't isolate letters only like K and X for 'ometer' lameness :-p |
| 05:11.29 | Guerin | enouf: are you implying that KzynZx0R is too lame? |
| 05:11.49 | enouf | KDEverything-begins-with-a-K-so-Newcomers-think-they-are-kernel-related :-P |
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| 05:11.52 | peterS | Guerin: does it violate the x0R patent? |
| 05:12.27 | Guerin | peterS: OMGFIXURFONTLnoughtL |
| 05:12.41 | enouf | and the X as an OS X reference; and Jobs' inability to see that as a roman numeral 10 :-p |
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| 05:13.11 | peterS | he should have called it Active OS X |
| 05:13.45 | enouf | hehe |
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| 05:14.43 | foo | hm, how would I go about finding a proxy on my system? I was blacklisted on CBL and they told me I have a proxy... but not sure where. Nothing strange from netstat -nap |
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| 05:18.01 | streuner__ | Guerin: How is life today? |
| 05:18.09 | WormFood | foo, are you on a static or dynamic IP? |
| 05:18.19 | enouf | foo: cbl? as root or sudo netstat -tunap, lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
| 05:18.49 | enouf | foo: also echo $HTTP_PROXY ? |
| 05:19.03 | enouf | or even lower case |
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| 05:19.34 | foo | WormFood: static |
| 05:19.50 | WormFood | how long have you had that IP? |
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| 05:20.02 | WormFood | did you just get it, or you had it for a while? |
| 05:20.08 | foo | WormFood: several months. I know what you're thinking, I don't think that's the issue :) (eg. past abuse) |
| 05:20.36 | WormFood | I get blacklisted off efnet all the time |
| 05:20.45 | WormFood | seems like 50% of the time I get a new IP, I'm blacklisted |
| 05:21.07 | foo | Hm, that's a little different. I'm not exactly sure what the cause of that is. CBL means e-mails don't get sent out ... |
| 05:21.20 | WormFood | really pisses me off, that those fucktards running the blackhole lists aren't smart enough to know that a ban on a dynamic IP from 3 years ago, isn't helping |
| 05:21.35 | WormFood | what is "CBL"? |
| 05:21.44 | WormFood | what black list are you on? |
| 05:21.49 | streuner__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBL |
| 05:22.04 | foo | WormFood: ^^^ |
| 05:22.21 | streuner__ | (multiple choice) |
| 05:22.40 | WormFood | wikipedia is commonly blocked for me, because I'm in China |
| 05:23.03 | foo | enouf: Hm, yeah, I've tried that... everything looks legit. httpd 80/443, vm-pop3d, sshd, proftpd, inetd, mysql... unless something is on port 443 with httpd. Specifically, CBL said: In short, this IP is impersonating (via SMTP HELO command) being a |
| 05:23.08 | foo | domain we know it _cannot_ be. |
| 05:23.38 | WormFood | unfortunately that page does me no good |
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| 05:23.47 | WormFood | that is easy |
| 05:23.53 | streuner__ | foo: wikipedia doesn't have an entry, feel free to edit that |
| 05:23.58 | WormFood | you told your mail server your domain name is not what it is |
| 05:24.12 | WormFood | I don't know what the CBL is looking for |
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| 05:25.16 | foo | streuner: hm, it does, don't think WormFood can see it |
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| 05:25.37 | WormFood | I can see wikipedia now |
| 05:26.05 | WormFood | I was just pointing out that directing someone to a web page that is commonly blocked in some parts of the world is not a good idea if you want help |
| 05:26.49 | foo | eh, I didn't do that, and it was more for you're own good so you know what CBL is. :) |
| 05:27.05 | WormFood | anyways.....what is the ip and domain name? (/msg me if you don't want the channel to see) |
| 05:27.18 | enouf | foo: what is CBL? |
| 05:27.20 | WormFood | what does the C stand for? I know what a black list is |
| 05:27.29 | foo | enouf: composite black listing |
| 05:27.50 | enouf | Cows Balling Lemures is more fun ;-P |
| 05:28.00 | streuner | dpkg, cbl is <reply> the Composite Blocking List is a DNS-based Blackhole List of suspected E-mail spam senders |
| 05:28.00 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 05:29.33 | streuner | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_Blocking_List |
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| 05:29.54 | WormFood | foo, what is the domain name your mail server thinks it is, and what is your IP of the mail server? |
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| 05:30.35 | enouf | streuner: got it, just weird it took so long for the orig poster to define it |
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| 05:31.14 | streuner | enouf: hm, its early in morning here too :-P |
| 05:31.30 | streuner | odd, that dpkg hadn't an entry |
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| 05:31.58 | enouf | si |
| 05:32.19 | n-iCe | Anyone uses emesene? is true that is supporting video chat already? |
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| 06:17.38 | hobbes006 | hi guys, i am having some trouble setting up a passwordless ssh login for a user. despite checking that the permissions are set correctly as 700 for the authorized_keys file and 600 for the id_rsa.pub file, i keep getting asked to provide the password when accessing the remote machine from my local machine... any other thing i need to check ? |
| 06:17.59 | magdalene | scuttles into #debian and disappears into the underbrush around the #debian_fern |
| 06:19.04 | bolt | Is there a way to, through a bash script, detect that I am currently logged in through SSH and do something special based on that in, for instance, .bashrc? |
| 06:19.06 | Supaplex | hobbes006: try ssh -vvv when connecting |
| 06:19.32 | Supaplex | bolt: with set. compare w/ and w/o ssh. you'll find it. :) |
| 06:19.50 | bolt | Supaplex: thanks for the hint :) i will. |
| 06:21.42 | hobbes006 | Supaplex: tried ssh -vvv and it shows a bunch of debug messages :) from the debug messages it seems that ssh is looking for the key in /root/.ssh instead of in /home/myuser/.ssh any idea why it would be doing that ? |
| 06:22.49 | Supaplex | hobbes006: because you're logging in as root, or you didn't specify and you're already root to begin with? |
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| 06:23.52 | hobbes006 | Supaplex: i am logging in as "ssh myuser@myhost.com" not as "ssh root@myhost.com" - doesnt that mean that the remote host should be looking at myuser's home directory instead of looking at the root directory's .ssh folder ? |
| 06:24.40 | Supaplex | it might be looking in the local /root/.ssh/ for default keys. |
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| 06:25.38 | Supaplex | part of that problem is information disclosure. you won't see a whole lot about the remote until you authenticate somehow. |
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| 06:27.25 | jchaoul | im installing linux everythings done just the lang prob |
| 06:27.34 | jchaoul | its default to german while i want it english |
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| 06:29.10 | jchaoul | ? |
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| 06:32.13 | shivamib | jchaoul: you can install language packs |
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| 06:35.53 | hobbes006 | Supaplex: i cleaned up my local .ssh directory, repeated the whole process and it works fine now. |
| 06:36.15 | hobbes006 | Supaplex: thanks for the debugging tip using -vvv. didnt know that :) |
| 06:37.16 | Supaplex | np |
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| 06:39.41 | jchaoul | folks? |
| 06:39.56 | MrBrush | Any germans around? |
| 06:40.05 | wols | !de |
| 06:40.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 06:40.22 | bolt | hey |
| 06:40.24 | bolt | lemme try that |
| 06:40.28 | bolt | Any norwegians around? |
| 06:40.42 | wols | !lart bolt |
| 06:40.42 | dpkg | does a little 'renice 20 -u bolt' |
| 06:40.44 | bolt | :/ |
| 06:40.52 | jchaoul | wols any idea? |
| 06:41.16 | wols | jchaoul: LANG=eN_US |
| 06:41.21 | jchaoul | where? |
| 06:41.23 | wols | en_US |
| 06:41.39 | jchaoul | dpkg-reconfigure locales messed up my settings |
| 06:41.40 | wols | environment |
| 06:42.10 | bolt | jchaoul: then you can probably use dpkg-reconfigure locales to mess them back... just select some en* locale as your default |
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| 06:44.33 | jchaoul | lemme try |
| 06:44.43 | bolt | jchaoul: you have my permission to do so |
| 06:45.09 | ravn | hey guys. Anyone can tell me what I should do to a /ets/sudoers file to make me able to do the usual sudo aptitude update? |
| 06:45.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:46.13 | bolt | O.o |
| 06:47.26 | ravn | wols: I don't understand what you mean |
| 06:47.39 | wols | read the manpage |
| 06:47.59 | jchaoul | ravn: he meant man sudoers |
| 06:48.15 | ravn | I did, but I don't want to do all the EBNF there, just add this one line |
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| 06:49.34 | wamty | wols: ok it doesnt help |
| 06:49.49 | wamty | ive sent en_US |
| 06:49.53 | wamty | doesnt help |
| 06:49.58 | wamty | set* |
| 06:50.05 | wols | set WHAT? |
| 06:50.25 | wamty | <wols> jchaoul: LANG=eN_US |
| 06:50.34 | wols | and where did you do it and how? |
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| 06:50.52 | WormDrink | hi |
| 06:51.07 | WormDrink | anybody know the project page for the hexer hex editor |
| 06:51.38 | WormDrink | the general project page, not just the page for the package |
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| 06:52.43 | JuNiOx | hi, when I run "echo $var1 $var2 > /tmp/test" it also insert the caracter "^M" between both results... does anyone know why this caracter is appearing there? |
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| 06:55.56 | xingu | JuNiOx: garbage in, garbage out - how are the variables set? |
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| 06:56.18 | Supaplex | JuNiOx: try each var into a seperate file and compare. |
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| 06:57.05 | JuNiOx | it's weird.. separated they work fine... the problem is happening when I try to print both in the same line |
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| 06:58.53 | Supaplex | is that the exact command you're using when using both? |
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| 06:59.34 | Supaplex | see also "help echo" off the command line, esp the -n switch |
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| 07:03.40 | JuNiOx | now I redirected $var1 to /tmp/var1.txt and $var2 to /tmp/var2.txt and no ^M was printed |
| 07:03.45 | JuNiOx | I guess the problem is happening when putting both together |
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| 07:04.30 | JarZk1 | nom nom |
| 07:05.23 | Supaplex | JuNiOx: we don't understand how you observe the extra ^M - can you show us some kind of sample? rafb.net/paste of the commands you're running etc. |
| 07:06.06 | JuNiOx | I see the extra ^M when I use vi program to edit the txt file I have just created |
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| 07:06.30 | JuNiOx | but this ^M is appearing just when I try to put both variables together, in the same line |
| 07:06.53 | JuNiOx | if I redirect $var1 to var1.txt and $var2 to var2.txt, no ^M appear |
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| 07:07.33 | Supaplex | where's the ^M at? |
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| 07:07.40 | Supaplex | between the two? |
| 07:07.47 | JuNiOx | I was trying to put them together this way, echo $var1 " - " var2 > /tmp/test.txt |
| 07:07.48 | JuNiOx | exactly |
| 07:08.06 | JuNiOx | tried removing the " - " |
| 07:08.12 | JuNiOx | but ^M is still there |
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| 07:08.19 | Supaplex | try ${var1} instead of $var1 |
| 07:08.27 | JuNiOx | let me check |
| 07:08.37 | Supaplex | echo "${var1}${var2}" might work too. |
| 07:09.00 | Supaplex | 's recall is vague on expansion right now - too sleepy heh |
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| 07:11.21 | JuNiOx | nops, still getting the @#$%% ^M there |
| 07:11.23 | JuNiOx | =/ |
| 07:11.27 | JuNiOx | it's weird it |
| 07:11.57 | JuNiOx | let me check echo manual |
| 07:12.59 | Supaplex | try echo "${var1}MARK${var2}" - where's it in relation to 'MARK' ? |
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| 07:13.45 | JuNiOx | if I cat this file.txt it looks like one variable results has overwritten the other one |
| 07:14.19 | JuNiOx | var1 = aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 07:14.24 | JuNiOx | var2 = bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 07:14.28 | JuNiOx | then, the file looks like |
| 07:14.31 | JuNiOx | aaaaaaaabbbbbbbb |
| 07:14.33 | JuNiOx | =/ |
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| 07:15.00 | JuNiOx | if edit this file via VI, it looks like "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^M bbbbbbbbbbbb" |
| 07:15.10 | JuNiOx | let me check this last tip |
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| 07:18.11 | JuNiOx | now, var1_results ^MMARKvar2_results |
| 07:18.25 | JuNiOx | now, var1_results ^MMARKvar2_results |
| 07:18.33 | JuNiOx | just to be more visible |
| 07:19.41 | Supaplex | and what about echo "${var1}MARK" ? i think the problem is in var1 |
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| 07:21.04 | JuNiOx | you're right |
| 07:21.16 | JuNiOx | var1_results ^Mmark |
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| 07:22.03 | JuNiOx | actually, $var1=$(cat /tmp/file2.txt) .... but I opened this file2.txt with VI... and no ^M is inside |
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| 07:24.44 | Supaplex | compare with $(cat /dev/null) |
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| 07:26.31 | JuNiOx | no ^M found |
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| 07:30.43 | Veros | Hello, can anyone here please help me out to enable a russian keyboard layout in bash in Debian 4.0 without DM? |
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| 07:31.25 | Supaplex | maybe these guys know better |
| 07:31.26 | Supaplex | !ru |
| 07:31.26 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 07:33.36 | JuNiOx | i give up... will check it tomorrow....thank you Supaplex ! |
| 07:34.06 | Supaplex | yeah, i'm stumped |
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| 07:38.30 | kantor | hi, where can I set up module options ? because I have no /etc/modules.conf file |
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| 07:39.02 | dimir | you should have /etc/modules |
| 07:39.11 | dimir | Or if not, put them there |
| 07:39.12 | liable | !modprobe.d |
| 07:39.15 | liable | meh |
| 07:39.20 | liable | or there |
| 07:39.28 | kantor | I have a /etc/modules file |
| 07:39.53 | kantor | in Debian etch there is no /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 07:39.55 | dimir | !/etc/modules |
| 07:39.56 | dpkg | # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored. An entry named `auto' will cause the system to start kerneld immediately. |
| 07:40.02 | dimir | kantor: not anymore. |
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| 07:40.18 | kantor | dimir, it is a deprecated config file ? |
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| 07:41.08 | dimir | Well, I'm not sure it's obsoleted totally, probably still supported maybe on older kernels, but you should not use it AFAIK. |
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| 07:41.40 | dimir | AFAIK if you need to specify module options you should use modprobe.conf or modprobe.d |
| 07:41.41 | kantor | ok |
| 07:41.47 | kantor | thanks the advice ;-) |
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| 07:41.54 | dimir | np |
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| 07:56.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:56.50 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 08:04.38 | perfector | is there any multi tabbed rxvt other than mrxvt? |
| 08:04.56 | perfector | mrxvt does not support unicode |
| 08:05.58 | tarzeau | why not use gnu screen? |
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| 08:06.30 | perfector | its got too complex keyboard shortcuts |
| 08:07.21 | dondelelcaro | perfector: c-a 0-9 is pretty simple... |
| 08:08.05 | dondelelcaro | (and you can easily hit c-a ? if you forget them) |
| 08:09.23 | perfector | oh no pls.. suggest smth else |
| 08:09.51 | uzsolt | perfector: urxvt (rxvt-unicode) |
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| 08:10.19 | perfector | uzsolt, thats multi tabebd? |
| 08:11.09 | uzsolt | yes |
| 08:11.18 | uzsolt | http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html |
| 08:11.27 | uzsolt | "Tabbed terminal support." |
| 08:11.55 | lkthomas | guys, does net-snmp can not be able to report correct value for dualcore+ CPU ? |
| 08:12.35 | perfector | uzsolt, cool will try it out.. thx |
| 08:13.22 | uzsolt | its hard to configure (for me) - i'm using roxterm |
| 08:13.30 | PingFloyd | or be really crazy and use a multi-tabbed term along with screen |
| 08:13.42 | uzsolt | :) |
| 08:13.48 | simonrvn | <-- does that |
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| 08:13.54 | PingFloyd | along with VCs :) |
| 08:14.26 | simonrvn | at least one open |
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| 08:14.53 | PingFloyd | yeah, something to fall back on when X pulls its BS |
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| 08:15.49 | MolePrince | Two real quick questions. 1: For CLI is apt-get or aptitude preferrable? 2: What is the difference between using invoke-rc.d vs /etc/init.d/ ? Thanks for any clarifications. |
| 08:16.50 | PingFloyd | MolePrince: depends |
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| 08:17.28 | PingFloyd | MolePrince: you can of course use both the UI or CLI with aptitude. newer version of apt-get appearantly now keep track of automatic dependencies, but used be only aptitude did. |
| 08:17.45 | simonrvn | invoke-rc.d supposedly cleans up the environment, hence it being recommended to do the inti script restarts.. i suppose the man page has more info... |
| 08:18.17 | simonrvn | or at least clears them for the child script.. |
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| 08:18.59 | MolePrince | Interesting. It's just everything I've seen says eg type /etc/init.d/blah blah and I wonder why invoke-rc.d isn't used instead. |
| 08:19.22 | MolePrince | PingFloyd: Ah. This is on a console machine, in any casxe, so GUI doesn't matter. |
| 08:19.34 | simonrvn | because zsh doesn't complete invoke-rc.d very well :P |
| 08:20.06 | PingFloyd | MolePrince: I'm not sure at what version that automatic dependency tracking changed with apt-get |
| 08:20.15 | simonrvn | 0.7 IIRC |
| 08:20.19 | PingFloyd | MolePrince: that was one of the reason I used aptitude for so long |
| 08:20.33 | simonrvn | could be 0.6.5 |
| 08:20.37 | lkthomas | anyone use snmp on dual core system ? |
| 08:20.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:20.47 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 08:20.54 | wols | !tell lkthomas about anyone |
| 08:21.14 | simonrvn | lkthomas: i seem to remember some bug about that in older versions... i could be full of it too. did you google for this? |
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| 08:21.52 | lkthomas | wols, snmp seems report wrong value on dual core system |
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| 08:24.32 | phr3ak | what is ".d" in directory names like conf.d rc.d or other? |
| 08:25.11 | infotron | the files inside were once config snippets of a normal larger config file (pretty much) |
| 08:25.36 | PingFloyd | phr3ak: means instead of it being a file, it's a directory full of configuration files |
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| 08:25.58 | phr3ak | .d = directory ? |
| 08:26.05 | PingFloyd | phr3ak: and usually some script will load all the files in the .d directory |
| 08:26.37 | phr3ak | ok i know but i know exactly what is ".d" |
| 08:26.46 | PingFloyd | a naming convention |
| 08:26.50 | phr3ak | i'd like to know what is ".d" exactly |
| 08:26.56 | PingFloyd | a naming convention |
| 08:27.06 | phr3ak | i didn't find it in fhs |
| 08:27.39 | PingFloyd | it's just a convention that many dev/users/admins adopted |
| 08:28.03 | wols | < phr3ak> ok i know but i know exactly what is ".d" and < phr3ak> i'd like to know what is ".d" exactly <- those statements contradict each other |
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| 08:28.21 | PingFloyd | you generally won't find anything in the fhs except for very loose standards |
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| 08:28.37 | owen1 | how to get the latest mysql? |
| 08:29.23 | wols | owen1: how "latest"ß |
| 08:29.25 | wols | ? |
| 08:29.41 | wols | phr3ak: man run-parts |
| 08:29.53 | owen1 | wols: most stable mysql? |
| 08:30.38 | wols | owen1: aptitude install mysql |
| 08:30.51 | owen1 | wols: is it 5 or 4? |
| 08:31.14 | owen1 | wols: i am on etch, btw |
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| 08:31.24 | wols | 5 |
| 08:31.31 | owen1 | wols: great. thank- |
| 08:31.31 | wols | !info mysql etch |
| 08:31.54 | phr3ak | wols: run-parts doesn't tell what are ".d" in names |
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| 08:33.47 | PingFloyd | phr3ak: for an example look /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 08:34.32 | phr3ak | i know what files in that |
| 08:34.56 | PingFloyd | phr3ak: many distro usually just have /etc/ld.so.conf but debian has that file to include all the *.conf file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 08:35.27 | phr3ak | but i'd like to know the meaning of ".d" |
| 08:35.41 | wols | owen1: it's mysql-server btw, not mysql |
| 08:36.01 | wols | it's shorthand for "directory" |
| 08:36.13 | PingFloyd | exactly |
| 08:36.25 | phr3ak | ok, thanks |
| 08:36.28 | PingFloyd | I figured that part was given though :) |
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| 08:38.21 | MacGyverNL | phr3ak: Also, see http://www.linux.it/~rubini/docs/init/ and search for "The Debian Way" on that page for more info on how and why. |
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| 08:46.25 | Tillin9_ | Hey, wondering what happened to the diskless package in Sarge for Etch. I'm setting up a new cluster and would love some automation in setting up the diskless root directories. I did some searching but it doesn't seem like a simple name change. |
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| 08:50.34 | infotron | Tillin9_: #debian-boot on irc.debian.org might know |
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| 08:51.28 | Tillin9_ | Thanks. |
| 08:51.41 | arisv | hello. am trying to do an upgrade into lenny, but while upgrading the linux-image-2.6.24 it keeps telling me to check device.map because "cannot find a grub for /dev/hdb6" - any ideas? |
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| 08:52.05 | arisv | not only for lenny, that's for sid, too. |
| 08:53.43 | arisv | anyone? |
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| 08:54.29 | wols | arisv: fdisk -l as root. pastebin the result |
| 08:54.33 | Zenox | is there a way to stream flv on debian with apache2... and if so, how do i set it up (module or mime-type maybe)? |
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| 08:55.32 | moshii | Zenox: don't know about apache, ffmpeg have a server though |
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| 08:56.40 | arisv | wols: no X, how to pastebin the result? :) |
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| 08:57.13 | ddalton | can anyone help me with making a kernel? |
| 08:57.19 | wols | !tell arisv about pastebinwithoutx |
| 08:57.20 | ddalton | (compiling) |
| 08:57.38 | wols | !tell ddalton about kernel package |
| 08:57.57 | ddalton | wols: Easly life :p |
| 08:58.00 | ddalton | easy |
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| 08:58.59 | ddalton | wols: so do I first run make-kpkg? |
| 08:59.11 | wols | ano |
| 08:59.13 | Zenox | moshii: hmm okay.. want to run it on apache if possible, as it's the one i'm using hmm |
| 08:59.14 | wols | -a |
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| 09:00.20 | ddalton | wols: ? |
| 09:00.53 | wols | ddalton: I gave you a factoid which tells you what to do. please read it |
| 09:01.05 | arisv | !tell arisv about pastebinwithoutx |
| 09:01.08 | arisv | ok |
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| 09:01.26 | arisv | he does not know what is pastebinwithoutx :p |
| 09:01.45 | wols | !tell arisv about pastewithoutx |
| 09:02.41 | arisv | i did it, wait |
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| 09:04.22 | Loady | hi what is the diffrence between xen kernels with vserver and not? |
| 09:04.31 | infotron | !vserver |
| 09:04.32 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 09:05.04 | infotron | Loady: vserver guests run in the same kernel as the host. it's similar to chroot, but the guest has restrictive capablities (at will) |
| 09:05.14 | arisv | wols: http://pastebin.com/f26a8e9eb |
| 09:05.20 | arisv | can u see it? :) |
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| 09:06.18 | Loady | infotron: så this has no effect on xen. i was just put off a bit, though it might be xen guest images. |
| 09:06.35 | Loady | so* |
| 09:06.54 | dutchfish | hi, how can i make a list of all the programs that are installable/or are installed and have dependecies on a package derived from source-package foo? |
| 09:07.08 | wols | arisv: this is under the old kernel? |
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| 09:07.40 | wols | arisv: reanme your device.map and install the new kernel |
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| 09:08.09 | arisv | wols: yep, under the old. let's say device.map2 ? |
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| 09:08.21 | wols | just a different name |
| 09:08.23 | arisv | in order to recreate a new device.map with the new kernel? |
| 09:08.29 | arisv | this is the target? |
| 09:08.31 | wols | grub should remake one afterwards. hopefully |
| 09:08.35 | arisv | aha |
| 09:08.36 | arisv | let's see |
| 09:08.43 | wols | if this doesn't work: pastebin the FULL output including your command |
| 09:09.05 | arisv | ok wait |
| 09:09.07 | Loady | hi im having some strange network issues with the xen packages in etch. traffic is not recived unless and outbound connection is made first. any ideas ? |
| 09:09.50 | ktwilight | hm, dpkg doesn't know about debsecan. am wondering if debsecan is necessary for stable releases (etch)? |
| 09:10.10 | wols | what is debsecan? |
| 09:10.12 | arisv | wols: same problem, i am gonna paste u the whole problem |
| 09:10.40 | ktwilight | wols, " The debsecan program evaluates the security status of a host running the Debian operation system. It reports missing security updates and known vulnerabilities in the programs which are installed on the host." |
| 09:10.43 | ktwilight | http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 09:13.30 | wols | nirupama: use a FreeDOS bootdisk |
| 09:14.13 | nirupama | wols, whats that |
| 09:14.17 | nirupama | FreeDOS |
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| 09:14.49 | arisv | wols: http://pastebin.com/f7a78633 |
| 09:14.51 | arisv | check it |
| 09:14.52 | arisv | :) |
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| 09:17.03 | ddalton | ok, why does this fail? I am running make-kpkg in source root, and following the debina howto wols said. So why won't make-kpkg clean work? http://pastebin.com/f34a8a82d |
| 09:17.44 | wols | arisv: change all entries in device.map from hd* to sd* |
| 09:18.14 | ddalton | *debian |
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| 09:18.46 | wols | ddalton: did you run make menuconfig? what was your make-kpkg command line? |
| 09:19.50 | arisv | wols: same exactly problem |
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| 09:20.39 | wols | arisv: grub-install --recheck then paste device.map |
| 09:20.50 | Loady | hi. im having some strange network issues with the xen packages in debian etch. traffic is not recived on the xen guests unless and outbound connection is made first. any ideas, or does anyone know if this is a known bug? |
| 09:20.55 | lakaol | hello, i have a problem my mail/syslog/auth.log don't rotate, they are rotated by logrotate ? |
| 09:21.19 | aNOOBisa | how can I see all the programms that are started by rc.d |
| 09:21.41 | arisv | wols: grub-install --recheck which install_device? |
| 09:21.50 | wols | aNOOBisa: ls /etc/rc.d/S* |
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| 09:22.03 | nacer | hi |
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| 09:22.11 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.28 | aNOOBisa | wols didn't do anything |
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| 09:22.39 | zxxd | hi |
| 09:22.44 | zxxd | how do i update the motd in server1 |
| 09:22.46 | zxxd | er |
| 09:22.54 | arisv | wols: ok, i did it and i get "cannot find grub drive for /dev/hdb6" |
| 09:22.58 | wols | aNOOBisa: what do you want to know exactly? |
| 09:22.59 | arisv | :( |
| 09:23.04 | zxxd | i mean it's overwritten every time i install a new kernel no? |
| 09:23.12 | wols | !motd |
| 09:23.13 | dpkg | i heard motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 09:23.15 | zxxd | ah tail |
| 09:23.16 | ddalton | wols: I didn't run make menuconfig, but make oldconfig. is that... ok? |
| 09:23.17 | zxxd | i see |
| 09:23.25 | wols | ddalton: yes |
| 09:23.36 | aNOOBisa | wols did you mean rcS.d |
| 09:23.48 | arisv | wols: probably, you run out of ideas :p |
| 09:23.52 | wols | !wayttd aNOOBisa |
| 09:23.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aNOOBisa? |
| 09:24.25 | wols | arisv: grub is installed? |
| 09:24.29 | wols | or lilo? |
| 09:24.30 | aNOOBisa | I want to through Samba out of the startup list |
| 09:24.33 | ddalton | wols: Am I meant to run 'make'? |
| 09:24.42 | arisv | wols: grub, yes |
| 09:24.45 | ddalton | how can I double check all dependencies are installed? |
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| 09:24.48 | peka | I'm trying to "apt-get source..", but it says it cannot find the "dpkg-source" command. How do I install this? I tried apt-get, but it only finds dpkg and not dpkg-source. |
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| 09:25.17 | wols | arisv: add your new kernel and initrd manually to your menu.lst |
| 09:25.29 | wols | !tell peka about search |
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| 09:25.49 | arisv | wols: big issue :p |
| 09:25.53 | wols | arisv: then reboot |
| 09:25.59 | wols | arisv: what issue? |
| 09:26.16 | arisv | wols: i think that, this is a little bit difficult |
| 09:26.40 | simonrvn | peka: install dpkg-dev |
| 09:26.40 | wols | no it's not. you already have an example for your 2.6.18 kernel |
| 09:26.51 | ddalton | wols: no idea? Or did I miss your reply? Sorry, its slower with braille... |
| 09:26.59 | arisv | ok |
| 09:27.16 | arisv | without the kernel be installed just to add kernel and initrd to menu.lst? |
| 09:27.27 | peka | simon: ty |
| 09:27.39 | wols | ddalton: I asked you something long ago |
| 09:27.44 | wols | ddalton: you haven't answered so far |
| 09:27.45 | aNOOBisa | wols do you have a place where I can get a good overview about runtime rc.d and runlevels |
| 09:27.49 | simonrvn | peka: next time, search for it. better to be independent ;) |
| 09:27.53 | wols | !runlevels |
| 09:27.53 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 09:27.56 | simonrvn | peka: yw |
| 09:28.24 | folken | ddalton: you use braille for irc? nifty. :) |
| 09:28.26 | aNOOBisa | wols: thank you |
| 09:29.45 | ddalton | wols: nope I don't see it... is it about whether i ran make menuconfig? |
| 09:30.08 | wols | ddalton: on the same line as when I was asking about that |
| 09:30.33 | arisv | without the kernel be installed just to add kernel and initrd to menu.lst? I did it, now reboot? |
| 09:30.40 | arisv | (that's for u wols) |
| 09:30.41 | ddalton | hey... can you please repeeat it... its about 10 screens back, and I have no hope with braille... will take me all day. |
| 09:30.54 | wols | arisv: pastebin the menu.lst |
| 09:31.11 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.42 | arisv | wols: http://pastebin.com/f422c8702 |
| 09:31.46 | arisv | that's it |
| 09:31.47 | ddalton | what do you mean by make-kpkg command line? I ran make-kpkg clean just after make oldconfig |
| 09:32.17 | wols | ddalton: make the kernel after oldconfig. no clean |
| 09:32.48 | ddalton | so just 'make' or keep reading the doc you said? it included that command for some reason. |
| 09:32.50 | wols | arisv: ok. reboot. if it bombs, you still have a working 2.6.18 kernel to get back |
| 09:33.03 | wols | ddalton: not make. you need to run make-kpkg |
| 09:33.28 | liable | i think thats actually a bug in the .10 kernel |
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| 09:33.42 | liable | ddalton: disable xen in your menuconfig |
| 09:34.25 | ddalton | wols: Do I do what liable said? |
| 09:34.31 | ddalton | liable: what's that under? |
| 09:34.36 | ddalton | in menuconfig |
| 09:34.37 | wols | ddalton: yes. no need for xen |
| 09:34.49 | liable | ddalton: arch |
| 09:34.55 | ddalton | what is it just out of curiosity? |
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| 09:35.13 | liable | virtual stuff |
| 09:36.06 | arisv | wols: but.. the kernel is not installed? how it will boot? :p |
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| 09:37.59 | ddalton | liable: I don't see "arch" under menuconfig, do remember which sub heading it would be? eg. device drivers? |
| 09:38.56 | ddalton | there is also generic setup |
| 09:39.15 | ddalton | and several other menus, the first screen in menuconfig |
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| 09:39.47 | liable | ddalton: processor typpes -> paravitualised guest -> xen |
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| 09:40.08 | psteyn | how do I use this type of file with snmp: INTELCORPORATION-MULTI-FLEX-SERVER-FAN-MIB.my ? |
| 09:40.23 | wols | arisv: ls /boot/* |
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| 09:40.52 | wols | arisv: the file should be there |
| 09:41.08 | arisv | yep, it is |
| 09:41.52 | wols | so it is installed |
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| 09:42.29 | liable | wonders how crazy a braile terminal goes whilst a kernel is compiling :) |
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| 09:43.08 | ddalton | liable, wols: thanks! its working. |
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| 09:43.22 | liable | np |
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| 09:44.39 | arisv | so, let's reboot |
| 09:44.54 | Sirgado | dns queries are very slow on my system; I've tested with dig, lasting 30 seconds, but dig says 42 milisec. using strace I see process is stalled for several seconds on rt_sigsuspend function..... |
| 09:45.05 | folken | psteyn: /usr/share/doc/libsnmp15/README.mib2c.gz |
| 09:45.20 | folken | psteyn: you need to convert it to c code in order to use it with libsnmp |
| 09:45.23 | Sirgado | does anybody have a clue why my dns queries are so slow? why process gets stucked on that function? |
| 09:45.27 | Bushmills | Sirgado: your first dns in /etc/resolv.conf is dead |
| 09:45.37 | folken | psteyn: therafter you can walk it with snmpwalk |
| 09:45.45 | Sirgado | checking... |
| 09:46.14 | psteyn | Thanks folken!!! :) |
| 09:46.43 | liable | cant work out how to print a string showing the escape characters |
| 09:46.47 | Sirgado | Bushmills: not dead, I've only one server and is the one that answer me |
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| 09:47.22 | folken | Sirgado: what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf say for the hosts: line? |
| 09:47.45 | Sirgado | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 09:48.01 | folken | Sirgado: put the dns before the mdns4_minimal |
| 09:48.22 | Sirgado | ok, doing... |
| 09:48.37 | folken | Sirgado: i have files dns mdns which is probably what you want |
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| 09:48.43 | infotron | oh but it's fun to leave mdns configured in nsswitch but uninstalled. ;) |
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| 09:48.58 | infotron | watches all dns queries enter a black hole *poof* |
| 09:49.00 | arisv | wols: success!! |
| 09:49.02 | Bushmills | liable: echo -e "\e[5m" for example |
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| 09:49.31 | rallon | hi all |
| 09:49.40 | arisv | wols: so we're ok? and one last question. every time I did apt-get upgrade, I will get these errors? |
| 09:49.51 | folken | Sirgado: yes thats a good point from infotron, perhabs you should check that avahi-daemon is installed. |
| 09:50.23 | ddalton | its building, now, how long should it take? dual core 2.1 ghz 1 gb ram. |
| 09:50.26 | liable | Bushmills: in c |
| 09:50.30 | rallon | i would like to redefine command_not_found_handle to it's std without editing /etc/bash.bashrc ; it isn't a command in PATH so must be coded someway inside bash, and it's listed in SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in bash man, but builtin command_not_found_handle says that it isn't a builtin command |
| 09:50.34 | arisv | wols: is off? |
| 09:50.39 | liable | ddalton: 20 minutes thereabouts |
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| 09:50.51 | Sirgado | mmm... good point, I'll check it |
| 09:50.52 | Spaceghost | hi |
| 09:51.01 | Spaceghost | I have a problem |
| 09:51.08 | ktwilight | what's the command line for apt-cache search by tags? |
| 09:51.09 | folken | Sirgado: otherwise remove the mdns from the hosts line. |
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| 09:51.22 | Sirgado | ok, thank you very much! |
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| 09:51.27 | JackScott1 | Hi everybody. I have a newly installed Debian machine connected to the Internet through a Windows network bridge (not ideal I know, but it's the best way atm). I've put mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian in sources.list, and run apt-get update. It only gets to [Waiting for Headers] and then hangs there. Doing a ping to the mirror, I get about 50% packet loss. What is the weakest link, and is there a better mirror to use (I'm in tas, |
| 09:51.32 | folken | Sirgado: np |
| 09:51.32 | Spaceghost | I added other disk at slave |
| 09:51.35 | Tex-Twil | good morning |
| 09:51.43 | Spaceghost | and now debian don't start up |
| 09:51.44 | Spaceghost | :S |
| 09:51.47 | ddalton | liable: Oh, good enough time to have some food. |
| 09:51.48 | KammyDoe | JackScott1; do a traceroute |
| 09:51.53 | Tex-Twil | please what is the command to open a CD tray on debian via command line ? |
| 09:51.54 | Spaceghost | why? what I need do? |
| 09:52.03 | rsk | Tex-Twil: eject |
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| 09:52.15 | infotron | JackScott1: might be an MTU related. is it a wireless bridge? |
| 09:52.25 | JackScott1 | Ethernet to Wireless, yeah |
| 09:52.27 | folken | JackScott1: do a ping and traceroute, maybe the windows bridge has an issue with passive ftp. |
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| 09:53.02 | folken | ah its only a bridge.. then no issue with passive ftp. |
| 09:53.41 | Tex-Twil | rsk: http://pastebin.com/m320bb957 |
| 09:53.43 | Bushmills | Spaceghost: remove that disk again. your root is on 2nd disk? i.e. on 3rd, after inserting the new one as slave between the 1st and the 2nd? |
| 09:53.56 | Spaceghost | what? |
| 09:54.01 | Spaceghost | no |
| 09:54.11 | folken | yes |
| 09:54.13 | Spaceghost | I only add a disk at slave, the master disk are the same |
| 09:54.25 | Bushmills | "are" ? or "is" ? |
| 09:55.09 | Bushmills | without slave, do you have more than 1 disk? |
| 09:55.16 | JackScott1 | What should I be looking for in the traceroute? |
| 09:55.19 | Spaceghost | is |
| 09:55.25 | Spaceghost | no, only 2 disks |
| 09:55.59 | Bushmills | 2 disks. and with slave, 3? |
| 09:56.13 | Spaceghost | no |
| 09:56.17 | Spaceghost | 2 disk whit slave |
| 09:56.46 | JackScott1 | The windows machine's tracert was much faster. |
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| 09:57.03 | Spaceghost | Bushmills: is a error from grub? |
| 09:57.07 | JackScott1 | I guess I'll just go make up a cable out of the mile or so I have lying under the house. |
| 09:57.10 | Bushmills | i suppose slave drive configuration is wrong. try to hook it up as master on 2nd controller |
| 09:57.18 | Spaceghost | I need edit fstab or the grub file? |
| 09:57.54 | arisv | liable: everytime I did an apt-get install, I get the previous errors, any way to dissmiss that? |
| 09:57.54 | Spaceghost | uhmm, no Bushmills I can do that... |
| 09:57.54 | Spaceghost | may be I can explain |
| 09:57.54 | Spaceghost | my english is so bad |
| 09:57.55 | Bushmills | no you can? or yes, you can't ? |
| 09:57.59 | Spaceghost | *I can't |
| 09:58.01 | Spaceghost | sorry |
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| 09:58.14 | Spaceghost | uhmm |
| 09:58.22 | Spaceghost | I have 2 disks |
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| 09:58.29 | Spaceghost | but in my master disk |
| 09:58.32 | Spaceghost | 3 partitions |
| 09:58.47 | Spaceghost | one whith debian, other for files, and other for windows |
| 09:59.09 | Bushmills | !cr |
| 09:59.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, cr is Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;) |
| 09:59.11 | Spaceghost | and in the disk at slave, I have window |
| 09:59.17 | Bushmills | hm |
| 09:59.30 | Spaceghost | I need back up the files in that disk |
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| 09:59.42 | Spaceghost | so, I put the disk at slave |
| 09:59.42 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 09:59.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 10:00.00 | Spaceghost | sorry |
| 10:00.38 | nido | When I send an email from my box as the root user (for example, error mails), it sens it with 'From: root (email@addre.ss)'. Any idea how I can change this so it identifies itself as 'whitestag' rather then 'root'? |
| 10:01.02 | nido | since multiple boxes will send my similar reports, it would be handy to easily differentiate the boxes from eachother |
| 10:01.30 | Bushmills | slave on first controller has no effect on partition ordering/naming on master on first controller. but slave on first controller has effect on master on second controller |
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| 10:02.03 | Spaceghost | Bushmills: slave in first controler, in my second controler I only have the dvd at master |
| 10:03.57 | Bushmills | grub has no problem with that. hook up slave as slave on 2nd controller then until it has been sorted out. |
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| 10:08.22 | Darth_Malak | ola,hi! |
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| 10:09.22 | Darth_Malak | can someone answer my friend Spaceghost!! |
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| 10:10.50 | Darth_Malak | bye! |
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| 10:15.47 | vjoe | hello |
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| 10:15.53 | Floor | Hi all |
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| 10:15.59 | rallon | hi vjoe, Floor |
| 10:16.08 | Floor | Can anyone tell me if there's an easy way to install samba 3.2 on Etch? |
| 10:16.12 | niru | can anybody give me a good documentation on upgrading my BIOS |
| 10:16.18 | niru | through Debian |
| 10:16.30 | vjoe | I am trying to install ipager, but I'm getting an error: Checking for Imlib2... cant find 'imlib2-config |
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| 10:17.08 | vjoe | Floor, aptitude install samba |
| 10:17.55 | CaT[t3] | floor: check www.backports.org |
| 10:18.02 | JackScott1 | Fixed. |
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| 10:18.38 | Floor | 3.2 is not on backports.org |
| 10:18.39 | Floor | Sadly |
| 10:18.41 | vjoe | hm, he could use a mixed system if he wants the latest version |
| 10:19.05 | vjoe | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 10:19.07 | vjoe | check 3.8 |
| 10:19.07 | CaT[t3] | floor: then www.apt-get.org or do the backporting from sid youself (if sid has it) |
| 10:19.26 | WormFood | niru, are you running debian, or ubuntu? |
| 10:19.30 | kalila | on ext3 file systems, is there a way to get the actual sisze of the file on disk |
| 10:19.36 | kalila | rather than the size in the file entry |
| 10:19.49 | WormFood | kalila, you can use "du" |
| 10:19.51 | niru | WormDrink, Debian |
| 10:20.12 | kalila | WormFood: I can - but I need that for a file |
| 10:20.31 | WormFood | I have never tried to update the bios from Linux...I always do it with their dos based tools |
| 10:20.31 | CaT[t3] | kalila: ls -s file - that'll give you the number of blocks actually used |
| 10:20.34 | Floor | There's a 3.2rc2 package in experimental |
| 10:20.34 | kalila | err wait |
| 10:20.36 | kalila | thanks |
| 10:20.39 | WormFood | very rarely will they have a windows only tool to update the bios |
| 10:20.48 | kalila | du also takes filenames as arguments |
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| 10:20.50 | kalila | thanks guys |
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| 10:23.06 | WormFood | I like to use du a lot, for sorting directories based on size..."du -sm *|sort -n" for example is handy |
| 10:23.23 | WormFood | I just discovered a few days ago, that it reports the actual file size |
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| 10:23.50 | WormFood | it is rather frustrating that rtorrent makes the file size in the directory entry much bigger than the file really is |
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| 10:24.43 | arisv | wols: success, I booted! but.. every time I do an apt-get install/update always get this error |
| 10:24.53 | arisv | any ideas, to dissmiss that? or to fix, don't know |
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| 10:25.08 | wols | arisv: when you boot the new kernel, does fdisk -l still show hdb6? |
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| 10:25.16 | arisv | wait |
| 10:25.17 | wols | arisv: pastebin your device.map |
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| 10:27.40 | arisv | wols: the fdisk -l (http://pastebin.com/f7059e8c8) & the device map (http://pastebin.com/fdb72718) |
| 10:27.46 | arisv | check 'em |
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| 10:29.25 | wols | arisv: you could edit the /etc/kernel-img.conf file to not run update-grub anymore |
| 10:29.31 | wols | but that's a hack/workaround |
| 10:29.33 | fabin | which package ships snmpwalk? |
| 10:29.38 | wols | I dunno why grub complains |
| 10:29.46 | wols | !tell fabin about search |
| 10:30.32 | arisv | wols: for the apt-get issue? not to trying to install again and again this one? |
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| 10:31.42 | SlayerXP | sina++ # clearly indicates whether she wants the tap turning on, some food, or a duvet tent constructing for her to sleep under. |
| 10:31.46 | SlayerXP | err wrong channel |
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| 10:32.14 | KammyDoe | >_ |
| 10:36.27 | micols | find / -iname "jre*1*" -type d -a ! -path "/nfs*" what is wrong with this cmd, it searches /nfs ? |
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| 10:40.54 | niru | I get an error while installing grub |
| 10:40.59 | niru | modules unable to load |
| 10:41.11 | niru | 3 modules are not getting loaded |
| 10:41.14 | niru | rtc |
| 10:41.21 | niru | nfs-modules |
| 10:41.29 | niru | what could be the problem |
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| 10:52.12 | Bushmills | niru: you had lilo before? |
| 10:52.23 | niru | Bushmills, no |
| 10:52.36 | niru | Bushmills, this happens when i install a debian cd |
| 10:52.46 | niru | Bushmills, it shows grub installation failed |
| 10:52.50 | Bushmills | niru: what cd is that? |
| 10:53.01 | niru | Bushmills, and console shows unable to retrive from /cdrom/pool/ |
| 10:53.26 | niru | Bushmills, even if the udeb is available in cd why is it not able to fetch |
| 10:53.31 | niru | Bushmills, what is stopping it |
| 10:55.36 | liable | anything interesting on vt4? |
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| 10:55.55 | Bushmills | don;t know. but if grub is supposed to be on the cd, while it can't be found, that sounds like a read error or broken cd to me. |
| 10:55.55 | dmesg | hello i am a user not too expert,medium,but i want all ultim software new,xchat 2.8.6,amsn and so run and not 8.4,i use debian testing,can upgrade a unstable or is unstable for not expert user? |
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| 10:56.51 | Bushmills | dmesg: don't bother with unstable. |
| 10:57.13 | Bushmills | dmesg: if at all, try testing. and forget that i told you to. |
| 10:57.14 | jelly | dmesg: just wait for newer versions to arrive in testing, if you're already using it |
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| 10:58.00 | jelly | dmesg: also, please put a space after each "," sign, it's much more readable. |
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| 11:01.21 | dmesg | jelly,long time is for me,new software in testing,i think 2-3 weeks |
| 11:01.24 | dmesg | or not? |
| 11:01.53 | bubba | would someone help me with getting rtl8187b working under debian with native drivers |
| 11:01.55 | jelly | !info xchat testing |
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| 11:02.15 | dmesg | also firefox 3 ecc.. |
| 11:02.16 | wols | bubba: ask specific questins |
| 11:02.25 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.6-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 308 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
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| 11:02.34 | bubba | I don't really know where to start |
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| 11:02.52 | agnitio | How can one check when a file was created from bash? |
| 11:02.53 | jelly | dmesg: well, xchat 2.8.6 seems to be availably in testing. |
| 11:02.53 | wols | bubba: then google |
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| 11:03.03 | wols | agnitio: ls -l |
| 11:03.15 | bubba | I'm trying to get my rtl8187b usb wireless wlan working with drivers from http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ |
| 11:03.54 | wols | antgel: ls -lt -c |
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| 11:04.03 | bubba | these are the patched drivers for 8187B from the rtl-wifi project http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
| 11:04.28 | bubba | so, I'm using debian etch 4.0 |
| 11:04.38 | bubba | I compiled the patched drivers |
| 11:04.43 | wols | bubba: http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/FAQ.html |
| 11:05.03 | alleyoopster | can anyone tell me why there does not appear to be working firewire support in lenny at the moment |
| 11:05.05 | bubba | I think the problem now is in /etc/network/interfaces since I get an error that it cant be started |
| 11:06.10 | wols | !tell bubba about errors |
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| 11:06.24 | wols | alleyoopster: raw1394? |
| 11:06.26 | bubba | can someone give me specific instructions how to configure /etc/network/ interfaces for wlan, wap, static ip, |
| 11:06.37 | wols | !tell bubba about interfaces |
| 11:06.55 | alleyoopster | wols: well yes, but also ohci and ieee1394 are missing |
| 11:07.20 | alleyoopster | wols: the new stack firewire_* are in there place |
| 11:07.22 | wols | alleyoopster: use another kernel |
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| 11:08.04 | alleyoopster | wols: ok thanks |
| 11:08.05 | bubba | as I understand, in debian etch, wpasupplicant has been integrated into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:08.50 | dmesg | jelly, is already there? |
| 11:09.10 | bubba | I guess I have to write the whole interfaces file to paper and copy it here |
| 11:09.17 | bubba | so you can tell me whats the problem |
| 11:09.51 | alleyoopster | wols: do you happen to know if later kernels will include support are are they going for firewire_core support with lenny release? |
| 11:09.52 | wols | bubba: first we want the errors you see |
| 11:09.59 | wols | alleyoopster: no clue |
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| 11:15.51 | bubba | wols: the error on command '/etc/init.d/networking start' is 'couldn't read interfaces file' |
| 11:15.52 | tinctorius | ugh |
| 11:16.05 | tinctorius | how is buildd supposed to know how to build vlc from source |
| 11:16.21 | wols | bubba: ls -al /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:16.24 | tinctorius | when I can't even automagically install build depends and then successfully build the binary? :( |
| 11:16.34 | tinctorius | configure: error: Missing header file postproc/postprocess.h |
| 11:17.18 | wols | tinctorius: dpkg -l |grep postproc |
| 11:17.24 | tinctorius | uh |
| 11:17.30 | tinctorius | I know it's part of libpostproc-dev |
| 11:17.34 | wols | then get it |
| 11:17.38 | tinctorius | or libpostprocess-dev or something |
| 11:17.42 | tinctorius | I already installed it |
| 11:17.54 | tinctorius | but somehow, configure or cc can't find it |
| 11:18.09 | tinctorius | in fact, /usr/include/postproc/postprocess.h exists |
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| 11:18.24 | tinctorius | I already symlinked /usr/include/postproc to ./ffmpeg/libpostprocess |
| 11:18.28 | tinctorius | eh |
| 11:18.30 | tinctorius | libpostproc |
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| 11:18.41 | tinctorius | but it still FTBFS |
| 11:18.48 | bubba | wols: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 844 |
| 11:18.57 | bubba | wols: I have to hand copy everything |
| 11:19.04 | bubba | I think the problem is in the file itself |
| 11:19.09 | tinctorius | also, apt-get build-dep vlc fails |
| 11:19.29 | bubba | I'll hand copy the file in a second |
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| 11:19.46 | agnitio | wols: hmm, that doesn't seem to return the correct time... |
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| 11:20.24 | LeFrogVert | !time |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.07.08 11:20:24, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
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| 11:21.21 | tinctorius | oh wait, build-dep works now... but now it can't find ffmpeg/avcodec.h |
| 11:21.35 | tinctorius | which is part of libavcodec-dev, but will be installed at ffmpeg/libavcodec/avcodec.h |
| 11:21.45 | tinctorius | sounds like horribly broken crap to me |
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| 11:23.54 | bubba | wols: where do you want me to copy the interfaces file |
| 11:24.12 | kijjaz | I'm using 64studio 2.1 which is based on Debian Etch. It doesn't recognize my Emagic a26 usb audio interface while easily recognized on all other systems i've been running. |
| 11:24.57 | kijjaz | What should I checked? I was running Debian, Ubuntu, JackLab, OpenSUSE and it worked out well. |
| 11:25.07 | bubba | wols: http://paste.debian.net/9902/ |
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| 11:25.25 | Bushmills | kijjaz: i suppose there'll be better help for you on #64studio |
| 11:25.36 | kijjaz | Bushmills: yes. |
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| 11:27.01 | mezod | hi, i have a laptop with winxp and i would like to format it and install the last debian version in a partition and leave winxp in another partition. But when i try to format winxp says it cant find my hd, and the same happens when i try to make partitions from the boot cd or with partition magic, i installed the drivers and nothing works, does anyone know what can i do? |
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| 11:28.01 | martoss | hi folks, how can I "resend" my mbox after creating a ".forward" file in my home? |
| 11:28.33 | Bushmills | mezod: that is. delete XP, partition, reinstall XP, install debian? |
| 11:28.56 | tinctorius | mezod: detail: how big is the HDD? |
| 11:29.01 | mezod | 80hb |
| 11:29.04 | mezod | gb* |
| 11:29.15 | wols | bubba: there is no auto eth0 |
| 11:29.21 | wols | or auto wlan0 in your case |
| 11:29.56 | mezod | Bushmills yes but cant partition it since the boot cd doesnt find my hd, or better, it finds it, i specify the partitions but when i do it it says it doesnt find my hd |
| 11:30.00 | tinctorius | ok, nm |
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| 11:30.29 | bubba | wols: delete the first line? |
| 11:30.34 | tinctorius | mezod: do you know wether the HDD is IDE or SATA? |
| 11:30.36 | wols | bubba: no.4~ |
| 11:30.47 | bubba | huh? |
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| 11:31.01 | wols | you do NOT need to delete the first line |
| 11:31.17 | wols | and the WPA stuff should probably be in the /etc/wpasupplicant.conf file |
| 11:31.26 | mezod | tinctorius yes, its SATA, i already installed the sata drivers for my mobo but doesnt work |
| 11:31.28 | bubba | but its all correct? |
| 11:31.37 | bubba | I'll copy it to seperate file then |
| 11:31.41 | Bushmills | mezod: when does that happen, when you try to write the updated partition table? |
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| 11:31.55 | mezod | exactly |
| 11:32.07 | wols | bubba: n |
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| 11:32.10 | wols | bubba: no it's not |
| 11:32.32 | wols | mezod: what sata drivers? ALL sata drivers come with your kernel. |
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| 11:32.37 | tinctorius | mezod: what do you mean by "installed SATA drivers"? |
| 11:32.48 | toor | moin |
| 11:32.53 | LeFrogVert | moin :) |
| 11:32.57 | wols | mezod: what sata chipset is it? |
| 11:32.58 | petemc | martoss: formail |
| 11:32.59 | toor | wrong channel :) |
| 11:33.05 | toor | but good morning :P |
| 11:33.13 | martoss | petemc, merci |
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| 11:33.33 | mezod | well my mobo didnt detect SATA so i found in forums that i had to download some drivers in order to get my mobo detecting my sata hd |
| 11:33.47 | bolt_ | How can I disable the netdev watchdog which prints a whole lot of timeout messages to the console if I pull the network cable out of my laptop? |
| 11:33.56 | wols | mezod: answer the question |
| 11:33.59 | mezod | wols im not sure of what u are asking :S |
| 11:34.09 | wols | we want to know what sata controller you have |
| 11:34.21 | mezod | how can i know it? |
| 11:34.24 | wols | if you donwloaded special drivers for it, you know what chip it is |
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| 11:34.37 | wols | otherwise you couldn't have downloaded those drivers |
| 11:35.13 | mezod | i downloaded drivers from my mobo webpage saying "drivers for detecting SATA" |
| 11:35.29 | wols | what mobo exactly? |
| 11:35.36 | wols | URL for those drivers? |
| 11:35.49 | mezod | sec |
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| 11:36.58 | bolt_ | I get a lot of "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" continously spamming the console if I pull the network cable out to move my laptop. How can I stop this? |
| 11:37.04 | mezod | http://www.giga-byte.es/products/mb/driver/ga-k8nf-9-rh.html |
| 11:37.21 | bubba | wols: copied the wpa part to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and added line 'wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf', then did /etc/init.d/netwokring restart and no errors this time, but no internet either |
| 11:37.24 | Bushmills | mezod: if you're about to reformat the drive anyway, can you try this: dd if=/dev/sda of=oldparttable bs=512 count=1 ; dd if=oldparttable of=/dev/sda # that is, assuming that your sata drive shows as sda) |
| 11:37.58 | enyc | mezod: ive had better luck if... update motherboard BIOS... and .. you MAY need to set SATA controller to 'native' or 'AHCI' sata mode ... but i dont know details |
| 11:37.59 | Bushmills | that should read, and write back the partition table, ideally not changing anything |
| 11:38.06 | wols | Bushmills: chances are, etch kernel has no sata drivers for his chip |
| 11:38.14 | wols | but since he won't answer, we'll never know |
| 11:38.22 | mezod | enyc i see |
| 11:38.34 | wols | mezod: can you please answer? |
| 11:38.37 | mezod | wols im sorry i dont answer i dont have many idea about this |
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| 11:38.52 | bolt_ | wols: didn't he just give an url? |
| 11:38.55 | Bushmills | wols: yes. want to see whether the problem shows with fdisk alone or in general. if in general, no driver seems the reason |
| 11:39.09 | enyc | mezod: if its set in certain raid mode it might not appear correctly to linux... or vice wersa... or it may actually need a different dirver-module (or new kernel) |
| 11:39.20 | enyc | mezod: e.g. backports.org have newer kernel for etch |
| 11:39.45 | mezod | enyc but my problem is before installing debian, i just cant format it cuz it doesnt know what i want to format, and the same happens when partitioning |
| 11:39.45 | wols | mezod: those are WINDOWS drivers only |
| 11:39.52 | Bushmills | wols: after all, still appears possible to read from that drive |
| 11:40.00 | enyc | mezod: so it doesnt seethe drive at all hrrm |
| 11:40.12 | enyc | mezod: using an Etch4.0 install CD? |
| 11:40.12 | mezod | wols yeah but doesnt work anyway for windows so dunno how to do the partition or how to format it |
| 11:40.12 | wols | nf4 is supported by etch |
| 11:40.29 | wols | enyc: what debian cd exactly? |
| 11:40.30 | mezod | i dont know whats etch |
| 11:40.43 | enyc | wols: i dont know its mezod who wants to know ;-) |
| 11:40.45 | mezod | i just used bootcds |
| 11:40.52 | wols | etch is the current debian stable version |
| 11:40.54 | enyc | mezod: wel/l WHAT boot cd? |
| 11:40.58 | wols | mezod: what ISO did you get? |
| 11:41.05 | wols | mezod: URL |
| 11:41.30 | mezod | hmm sec |
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| 11:41.53 | firefly_ | Hello |
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| 11:41.59 | psteyn | I've compiled a custom snmp MIB, and want to ./configure net-snmp with the extra MIB, but where do I put the MIB's? |
| 11:42.04 | bolt_ | !greet firefly |
| 11:42.04 | dpkg | Moo, firefly |
| 11:42.31 | bubba | wols: I dont get any errors anymore, but I still dont have a connection |
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| 11:42.49 | wols | bubba: check your dmesg and syslog |
| 11:43.18 | ma3x | do you know any free dns services for yourhostname.com? |
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| 11:44.36 | mezod | wols http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:44.46 | wols | mezod: don't use that. use etch |
| 11:44.51 | wols | !tell mezod about cdimage |
| 11:45.06 | wols | ma3x: offtopic |
| 11:45.07 | Bushmills | ma3x: granitecanyon.com . but, you can run dns yourself, especially with 2 servers/ips. otherwise you may want to have a friend with a server secondary you. |
| 11:45.13 | mezod | i was not sure of which one should i, there are just too much links for nwebies like me :P |
| 11:45.26 | wols | mezod: debian 4.0r3 etch is what you want |
| 11:45.35 | mezod | ok |
| 11:45.50 | mezod | lets see if i find it out there |
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| 11:46.41 | Bushmills | ma3x: http://www.granitecanyon.com/ |
| 11:46.57 | ma3x | thanks im looking into it bushmills |
| 11:47.42 | mezod | wols i can only see until 4.0r2 there |
| 11:48.08 | mezod | nope |
| 11:48.10 | mezod | found it |
| 11:48.21 | ma3x | Bushmills: their site doesnt work (the links create primary dns etc...) |
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| 11:49.18 | mezod | wols what shall i download there http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 11:49.30 | bolt_ | mezod: just get the netinst |
| 11:49.47 | mezod | ok thx |
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| 11:50.45 | bolt_ | I get a lot of "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" continously spamming the console if I pull the network cable out to move my laptop. How can I stop this? |
| 11:50.53 | mezod | so when i have burned this to a cd, what do you recommend me to do? i still have the 80gb for winxp atm, and id like to have 40gb winxp and 40gb debian. |
| 11:51.54 | wols | bolt_: ifdown eth0 |
| 11:52.33 | bolt_ | wols: can't I just disable the watchdog somewhere? |
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| 11:53.10 | bolt_ | mezod: how you partition your drive is entirely up to you. not sure if the etch installer will resize ntfs, though |
| 11:53.40 | jelly | ma3x: there's www.gratisdns.de (but they're not free any more, contrary to the name) |
| 11:54.02 | mezod | i ment, which shall i install first, or which bootcd to use, winxp or debian netinst? |
| 11:54.08 | Rigel_ | after spending a week on the island |
| 11:54.14 | Rigel_ | I took a really big shit |
| 11:54.17 | bolt_ | mezod: install xp first. definately |
| 11:54.18 | Rigel_ | *ship |
| 11:54.33 | Bushmills | http://dns4free.com/ |
| 11:54.58 | wols | mezod: windows first, then debian |
| 11:55.34 | mezod | ok thanks both |
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| 11:56.22 | bolt_ | mezod: make sure xp is on the first partition on the harddrive. prevents a lot of crap from happening |
| 11:56.23 | mezod | wols shall i format it all, and then when installing winxp asking it to do 40gb and forgetting the rest? i mean ill have problems there cuz winxp cant find my hd, despite it is installed atm !_! |
| 11:56.42 | mezod | ok nice to know |
| 11:56.55 | bolt_ | mezod: winxp probably needs your sata drivers floppy to find the harddrive |
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| 11:57.19 | mezod | and debian its own drivers? |
| 11:57.40 | bolt_ | mezod: press f6 during winxp install boot and insert the floppy, which, if you don't have it, can probably be acquired from the motherboard manufacturer's webpage |
| 11:57.47 | docmax | how can i setup click through windows in fluxbox? |
| 11:57.53 | bolt_ | mezod: etch has the drivers on the cd, if it's nf4 |
| 11:57.56 | wols | mezod: yes. and your windows problems are OT here. ##windows |
| 11:58.12 | bolt_ | wols: there's never any help in ##windows :) |
| 11:58.24 | wols | bolt_: ther is no help for windows in here either |
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| 11:58.51 | bolt_ | wols: it was kind of related and I felt I could answer... |
| 11:59.13 | Bushmills | bolt_: maybe it's a matter of the right question. ask something about debian in #windows, maybe they know that better |
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| 11:59.17 | wols | no it's not related to debian. if you want to help him with it, go to ##windows please |
| 11:59.30 | bolt_ | fine, fine |
| 11:59.36 | mezod | dont get angry cuz of me please |
| 11:59.42 | mezod | thanks both :) |
| 11:59.42 | mlLK | vmware? or virtualbox? |
| 12:00.01 | wols | miksuh: neither. not in debian |
| 12:00.01 | bolt_ | mlLK: whatever you like |
| 12:00.01 | aNOOBisa | virtualbox |
| 12:00.05 | Bushmills | !spam |
| 12:00.05 | dpkg | i heard spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt, <list spam>. or share and enjoy: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215514896249156550.png |
| 12:00.07 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 12:00.09 | mlLK | bolt_, stop that |
| 12:00.14 | mlLK | bolt, stop |
| 12:00.16 | bolt_ | ? |
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| 12:00.22 | miksuh | wols: hmm? |
| 12:00.31 | bolt_ | mlLK: what now? |
| 12:00.32 | mlLK | bolt, consider the fact i can't make choices |
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| 12:00.43 | mlLK | bolt, vmware or virtual box |
| 12:00.43 | wols | miksuh: was for the moron with the stupid misleading nick l and i |
| 12:00.47 | miksuh | wols: what do you mean? I wqs just idlöing :) |
| 12:00.47 | bolt_ | mlLK: fuck off |
| 12:00.48 | aNOOBisa | mlLk virtualbox |
| 12:00.54 | miksuh | ah ok :) |
| 12:01.02 | wols | mlLK: neither. they aren't in debian |
| 12:01.10 | mlLK | wols, i thought VB was |
| 12:01.26 | wols | mlLK: then use it |
| 12:01.31 | mlLK | wols, or at least it is found under aptitude |
| 12:01.39 | mlLK | wols, k problem solved |
| 12:01.41 | mlLK | thx all |
| 12:01.46 | bolt_ | ... |
| 12:01.52 | bolt_ | get a coin |
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| 12:02.22 | miksuh | back to idling mode :) |
| 12:03.37 | aNOOBisa | gee there is some tension in this chat :D |
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| 12:08.57 | abrotman | i don't think virtualbox is in etch, but it is at backports.org (or at least some parts of it) |
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| 12:10.45 | Esben | Hello, anyone who can explain why ldconfig does not update the cache according to the lib directories defined in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf files - specifically i added /opt/samba/lib/ (which exists), but "ldconfig -p" shows none of the files in that directory (even after deleting /etc/ld.so.cache) |
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| 12:12.01 | miksuh | abchirk: yep, Open Source Edition of virtualbox is there |
| 12:12.47 | miksuh | in backports,org for the etch, and in debian repository for the lenny |
| 12:13.18 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 12:13.18 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abchirk |
| 12:13.25 | abchirk | :=) |
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| 12:21.15 | ma3x | how do i add script.sh to system startup? |
| 12:21.32 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about run at startup |
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| 12:21.49 | Bushmills | ma3x: several ways. check @boot in crontab |
| 12:21.54 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about grounding |
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| 12:22.04 | abrotman | Bushmills: @reboot ? |
| 12:22.09 | Bushmills | yes |
| 12:22.20 | ma3x | thanks |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | Esben: are you sure it's even reading that directory? |
| 12:22.26 | ma3x | he meant @reboot in crontab |
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| 12:22.42 | ma3x | I wanted to know about /etc/init.d it's been a long time i haven't done this |
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| 12:26.25 | Nyle | good morning |
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| 12:27.03 | Esben | abrotman: nevermind, i just figured it out...doesnt help to create a "/etc/ld.so.conf.d/samba.con" when it looks for *.conf files.... |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | Esben: eh .. no :) |
| 12:27.29 | DawnLight | is there a comprehensive guide to the preseed thingo? |
| 12:27.34 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 12:27.45 | abrotman | DawnLight: dunno about comprehensive .. but the install guide has a good section on it |
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| 12:28.30 | DawnLight | the section is good but i'm still a little confused abuot the debconf-get-selections thing |
| 12:28.51 | DawnLight | because it seems to have selections which i don't recall selecting |
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| 12:29.11 | DawnLight | -ones that i don't understand, even |
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| 12:29.21 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 12:29.22 | abrotman | more there? |
| 12:29.47 | DawnLight | do you know how this works, approximately? |
| 12:30.01 | abrotman | preseeding .. or that option |
| 12:30.19 | DawnLight | if i add these selections to the preseed, does it just not ask me those questions when it installs the packages? |
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| 12:30.36 | DawnLight | the output of debconf-get-selections |
| 12:30.41 | abrotman | nope .. not used it |
| 12:31.08 | DawnLight | i want to fully automate the install of a machine for multiple installations |
| 12:31.27 | DawnLight | on identical hardware... wish i had an example |
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| 12:31.55 | abrotman | hugs joeyh |
| 12:32.13 | Nyle | gay! |
| 12:32.13 | zxxd | hmm |
| 12:32.19 | Nyle | runs away |
| 12:32.32 | zxxd | yeww |
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| 12:32.44 | liable | minces away? |
| 12:32.49 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 12:35.23 | Rigel_ | debian is good and all |
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| 12:35.27 | Rigel_ | but can it move zig? |
| 12:36.07 | mquin | sure, but only if it's for great justice |
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| 12:37.09 | psteyn | :D |
| 12:37.28 | psteyn | :D |
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| 12:37.38 | psteyn | long shot, anyone know the default password for connecting to an intel blade server switch module? |
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| 12:38.38 | abrotman | psteyn: uhm .. ask intel? |
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| 12:39.36 | psteyn | die. |
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| 12:41.58 | gustaf1 | anyone has an idea how to get debian-multimedia.org to work? The current dependancy crap is just extremely annoying, not to be able to use Any other media player than mplayer... |
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| 12:42.18 | abrotman | gustaf1: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 12:42.22 | run1 | hi i want to access my motorola phone with the usb cable can sb help me; i mean i want to mount the flash that is inside |
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| 12:43.23 | gustaf1 | abrotman: the issue is not the repo sources, but the fact that debian-multimedia use the same name for packages, as debian, and somehow it makes it impossible to use debian-multimedia packages.. |
| 12:43.29 | vipersniper | whats with this openssl vulnerabiltiy |
| 12:44.15 | gustaf1 | run1: mount /dev/sd[x] /media/usb0 |
| 12:45.05 | gustaf1 | anyway, I thought everyone used debian-multimedia (since vanilla debian can't play jack shit media formats)... am I wrong? |
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| 12:45.57 | sysnemo | hi.i have a wireless intel proset wireless 3945abg and i am not sure whether it is configured and installed...can anyone help me in establishing whether it is working or not? |
| 12:46.23 | Stephen` | sysnemo, iwconfig |
| 12:46.25 | Stephen` | see if its there |
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| 12:46.41 | sysnemo | Stephen`: thank you |
| 12:47.05 | Stephen` | if you can't see a ra0, or wlan0 or something liek that |
| 12:47.14 | Stephen` | then its a biggere problem |
| 12:47.28 | sysnemo | Stephen`: the only output is for wlan0..is that it? |
| 12:47.32 | wols | !tell sysnemo about ipw3945 |
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| 12:47.57 | Stephen` | i am not your computer |
| 12:47.59 | Stephen` | i don't know |
| 12:48.36 | Stephen` | and all your network interfaces should apear on that list |
| 12:48.55 | sysnemo | Stephen`: ok thank you...one more thing can you tell me the command for changing my refresh rate for my screen? |
| 12:49.08 | Stephen` | no sorry |
| 12:49.19 | sysnemo | np |
| 12:49.20 | Stephen` | someone else probably can |
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| 12:49.54 | Stephen` | use iwlist to scan your local network ap |
| 12:50.03 | Stephen` | and iwconfig to set the essid |
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| 12:51.07 | Stephen` | iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 12:51.22 | Stephen` | iwconfig wlan0 essid <network id> |
| 12:51.26 | Stephen` | ifup wlan0 |
| 12:51.27 | Stephen` | win |
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| 12:51.56 | Stephen` | don't people use google anymore ? |
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| 12:54.11 | docmax_ | hello, i want to make a key which makes a screenshot |
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| 13:00.24 | abrotman | so .. he won't paste his sources .. good job |
| 13:00.38 | abrotman | it works fine for hundreds of people .. obviously he's right |
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| 13:06.07 | slayton | does anybody know how to set the icon on a custom created Application menu folder? |
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| 13:09.46 | behrad | how can i use ieee1394 in lenny? the kernel dont have raw1394 module! |
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| 13:10.59 | cast | azgrep 1394 /proc/config.gz |
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| 13:11.39 | liable | behrad: they changed the firewire modules a while back. |
| 13:12.02 | behrad | cast, i dont have this file ! |
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| 13:12.24 | cast | erm |
| 13:12.27 | cast | zgrep* |
| 13:12.27 | behrad | liable, what's the solution? |
| 13:12.46 | patkoscsaba | anyone can help with ldirectord / ipvs problem? |
| 13:12.57 | liable | behrad: use the new modules. i cant remember exactly what changed, you'll have to google it. |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | behrad: the applications are supposed to use the new interface but not all do yet .. there's an unofficial repo with the old firewire stack in it |
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| 13:13.28 | behrad | cast, i dont have config.gz |
| 13:13.37 | cast | awww. thats no fun |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:14.04 | patkoscsaba | i have a working config, but when a server goes down, it takes many second, even minutes, for ipvsadmin to realize the situation |
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| 13:16.16 | patkoscsaba | if I take down my ONLY my other server, ipvsadmin, after the same long time, things BOTH my servers are down, even if I can directly connect to it ... |
| 13:16.18 | patkoscsaba | if I connect back a server, it apears in that second in ipvsadmin |
| 13:16.24 | behrad | abrotman, with this kernel 1ee1394 dont work?? |
| 13:16.39 | behrad | abrotman, shoud i install new kernel? |
| 13:16.55 | patkoscsaba | and my ldconfig file is this: http://pastebin.mandriva.com/510 |
| 13:17.55 | abrotman | behrad: or fix the applications .. |
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| 13:22.35 | Loady | hi. im having some strange network issues with the xen(3.0.3) packages in debian etch. traffic is not recived on the xen guests unless and outbound connection is made first. any ideas, or does anyone know if this is a known bug? |
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| 13:28.17 | samd | how do i configure a network where people can login to ssh or vpn and acess other computer in the network (ssh/vpn in same network ) (may be thier won or server) remotely |
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| 13:29.05 | bolt_ | samd: which device in your network is currently holding your external ip address? |
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| 13:30.51 | samd | i have configure vyatta as a router and i want people to acess thier machine (windows) and server linux |
| 13:31.19 | bolt_ | samd: what's a vyatta? |
| 13:31.23 | samd | currently i am using adsl connection with portforward to vyatta |
| 13:31.35 | samd | its open source router program |
| 13:32.06 | bolt_ | samd: so this vyatta device holds your external ip? if so, forward port 22 from vyatta to your linux server |
| 13:32.06 | wols | samd: so your vyatta machine has a public IP? |
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| 13:33.26 | bolt_ | samd: after doing so, i'd advice against getting involved with setting up vpn. it's complicated and probably unnecessary for your application. just use port forwarding through the linux server to the windows clients to access remote desktop, vnc or whatever |
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| 13:33.56 | bolt_ | samd: otherwise you might end up with a giant security hole. |
| 13:33.58 | samd | no from adsl router i forwad ssh (22) and students will able to to login to ssh and from there they should be able to connect to thier pc or network or server |
| 13:34.13 | bolt_ | correct |
| 13:34.24 | bolt_ | so forward port 22 to your server and you'll be fine |
| 13:34.54 | dana_good | samd: you should have your adsl router set in bridge mode and then just have it forward all traffic to the vyatta router, from the vyatta router forward inbound traffic to port 22 of your server |
| 13:35.00 | samd | vyatta still has privite ip (192.168.1.15) my adsl router is 121.247.x.x |
| 13:35.10 | Loady | hi. im having some strange network issues with the xen(3.0.3) packages in debian etch. traffic is not recived on the xen guests unless and outbound connection is made first. any ideas, or does anyone know if this is a known bug? |
| 13:35.39 | bolt_ | samd: as dana_good said, give vyatta the external ip if possible. otherwise, just forward port 22 to it, and from there to the server |
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| 13:36.54 | bolt_ | Loady: so after your guest machines perform any kind of network operation, you can connect to them from the outside, and not before? |
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| 13:38.17 | samd | yes i have just fordwad port 22 (nating ) to ssh and i am able to acess vyatta server but now how do i extent my network how to acess other application or program from vyatta server i can configure vyatta as a vpn server also after vpn connection how the use will acess thier own system |
| 13:38.33 | Loady | bolt_: indeed |
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| 13:38.48 | bolt_ | samd: vyatta seems to have a built in firewall and a vpn solution already... (reading vyatta.com). you should definately strive to set your adsl modem to bridged mode |
| 13:39.19 | bolt_ | samd: read up on ssh port forwarding to access other systems through the ssh server |
| 13:39.32 | samd | dana_good: if i confiure vyatta and router in bridge mode all traffice will allow where do i control application |
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| 13:39.44 | samd | can u pls give me link if u have please |
| 13:39.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:39.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:40.31 | bolt_ | Loady: sounds like the network interface isn't set up automagically when the guests boot... |
| 13:40.32 | fraff | hi all, firefox keeps crashing on flash content since the upgrade this morning, debian etch, any idees ? |
| 13:40.51 | bolt_ | Loady: do you use the nic they're using for something else, or is it dedicated to the guests? |
| 13:41.02 | xoz | how are you abrotman |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 13:41.32 | bolt_ | samd: yes, then all traffic will go to vyatta. vyatta has a firewall. you should control inbound traffic there |
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| 13:41.52 | abrotman | xoz: are you still in .sg ? |
| 13:42.17 | Loady | bolt_: the nic is bridged. and the dom0 use it as well. the strange thing is that, it works fine after i have sendt a few packets out, but after a while.. the problem comes back. |
| 13:42.27 | xoz | abrotman: yep. still have not found the culprit. |
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| 13:44.26 | samd | bolt_: did u try |
| 13:44.35 | bolt_ | samd: try what? |
| 13:44.52 | samd | send private message |
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| 13:45.00 | bolt_ | i don't read private messages |
| 13:45.08 | samd | ic |
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| 13:45.26 | bolt_ | in fact, with my current configuration, i can't |
| 13:45.30 | samd | where i gave u uname and passwd and address to acess vyatta server |
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| 13:46.28 | abrotman | xoz: blame jarick |
| 13:46.39 | jarick | What have I done? |
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| 13:47.10 | jarick | abrotman: Why have you annoyed me? |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | you're in .sg .. you're perpetually annoyed :) |
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| 13:47.50 | jarick | abrotman: You make us sound like an entire country with sticks up our arses. |
| 13:47.53 | slayton | anybody here used xdg-desktop-menu before? |
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| 13:47.55 | jarick | Oh wait. |
| 13:47.59 | anddam | hello |
| 13:48.12 | anddam | let's see if someone can enlight me |
| 13:48.38 | bolt_ | samd: I can't read private messages. if you want to tell me something, you'd have to use email. but there's no reason for me to have login details to your server |
| 13:48.46 | Baloo | Heh. I wake up worrying about the fact I spaced an essay due in about 90 minutes, and then I remember Singapore exists. That makes me feel a little better. |
| 13:49.08 | anddam | I put a start-stop-daemon line in rc.local, trying to launch vncserver as an user |
| 13:49.12 | samd | ok |
| 13:49.14 | jarick | Baloo: How does .sg come into this picture? |
| 13:49.26 | justin | anddam: use the users crontab for that |
| 13:49.36 | bolt_ | !tell anddam about enter |
| 13:49.37 | anddam | justin: is there an entry for start time? |
| 13:49.41 | justin | anddam: yep |
| 13:49.42 | bolt_ | whole question, one line, please |
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| 13:49.59 | Baloo | I might be totally screwed on this assignment, but at least my country isn't totalitarian yet. |
| 13:50.13 | anddam | bolt_: you're right, I was triying to acquire attention with suspense |
| 13:50.20 | bolt_ | Baloo: get off irc and write an essay! |
| 13:50.27 | jarick | Baloo: Mine isn't! |
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| 13:50.46 | anddam | bolt_: actually I was still formulating the question |
| 13:50.54 | Rigel_ | Baloo: yes, neither is our glorious country |
| 13:51.08 | bolt_ | for whoever keeps sending me pm's: i can't read them |
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| 13:51.15 | Rigel_ | our veryd democratic leader enforces our freedom |
| 13:51.18 | anddam | justin: ha, @reboot |
| 13:51.28 | docmax__ | whats the difference btw bin ans sbin? |
| 13:51.33 | docmax__ | sbin for scripts? |
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| 13:51.38 | bolt_ | docmax__: sbin for root |
| 13:51.45 | anddam | docmax__: I always tought it was system-bin |
| 13:51.57 | anddam | docmax__: regular users usually don't have sbin in path |
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| 13:52.01 | abrotman | !lfs |
| 13:52.01 | dpkg | it has been said that lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch> |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | uh .. wrong one |
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| 13:52.22 | Rigel_ | !gentoo |
| 13:52.23 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net |
| 13:52.29 | abrotman | no .. not that |
| 13:52.31 | gkiagia | to subscribe to a bug do I just send an empty mail at <bugid>-subscribe@bugs.debian.org ?? |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:52.45 | gkiagia | thx |
| 13:52.48 | anddam | " Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of." :-) |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | !tell docmax__ about fhs |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | i think that was it |
| 13:53.34 | anddam | abrotman: much better |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | if he actually reads it .. |
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| 13:54.21 | anddam | one gets msgs even if he's not registered, right? |
| 13:54.24 | anddam | you just can't send them |
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| 13:54.42 | abrotman | no .. i meant if he reads what it says .. or the documents he is pointed at |
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| 13:54.48 | abrotman | docmax__: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 13:55.24 | beardy | docmax__: and 'man hier' |
| 13:55.39 | anddam | justin: that thing was driviing me crazy |
| 13:55.58 | xoz_ | msg dpkg help |
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| 13:59.39 | n-iCe | anu good gnome burner?? |
| 13:59.41 | n-iCe | any* |
| 14:00.14 | bolt_ | flamethrowers |
| 14:00.19 | anddam | n-iCe: I'm pretty sure there are a few, search apt-cache |
| 14:00.37 | n-iCe | anddam: I know the one I want I just don't remember de name, brasilius? |
| 14:00.41 | n-iCe | Something like that :| |
| 14:00.49 | n-iCe | I googled it already, not success |
| 14:01.01 | n-iCe | Do you know which one I am talking about? |
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| 14:03.55 | n-iCe | !burner |
| 14:03.55 | dpkg | i guess burner is a tool to burn cds and for more details you should go to http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdb.html |
| 14:04.15 | abrotman | n-iCe: brasero is a decent one .. and gnomebaker is another |
| 14:04.29 | n-iCe | brasero !!! |
| 14:04.38 | n-iCe | thanks! that's the one |
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| 14:08.51 | Ian_Daniher | what is the joke unix program to mispell words? |
| 14:09.26 | rsk | office? |
| 14:09.27 | abrotman | filters ? |
| 14:09.34 | rsk | :) |
| 14:10.03 | wathek | hello all did any one try to use the ext3ci to make the file system not case sensitive ? |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | $ echo "I like Debian" | chef |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | I leeke-a Debeeun |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: like that ? |
| 14:10.38 | Ian_Daniher | yep |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | the 'filters' package has a number of those |
| 14:11.50 | Ian_Daniher | abrotman: Thanks |
| 14:12.04 | asg | abrotman: bork bork |
| 14:12.18 | abrotman | tells mrs asg |
| 14:12.29 | Ian_Daniher | side question - on ubuntu, apt-get has the "autoremove" option - on debian, it seems like that feature is only in aptitude? |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | asg: did you ever try the 'bork' mode in opera ? |
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| 14:12.46 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: on etch, yes .. lenny/sid have that option |
| 14:13.10 | asg | abrotman: yes, very funny |
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| 14:16.01 | asg | abrotman: there's also http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/ |
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| 14:16.41 | anddam | what's that acronym for next release, siyh ? |
| 14:16.51 | asg | !siyh |
| 14:16.52 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 14:16.54 | vinilios_at_work | how does debhelper work ? |
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| 14:19.16 | anddam | bye |
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| 14:31.35 | kantor | why are even number kernel series (2.2, 2.4, 2.6) more important (and more used in distributions) than odd number series (2.1, 2.3, 2.5) ? |
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| 14:32.20 | rsk | kantor: there's never been an 2.1 2.3 or 2.5 series kernel |
| 14:32.27 | idimmu | odd number are development |
| 14:32.33 | idimmu | even are supposed to be more stable |
| 14:32.34 | rsk | idimmu: not anymore |
| 14:32.35 | idimmu | isnt it? |
| 14:32.37 | idimmu | oh |
| 14:33.27 | kantor | rsk, then kernel versions |
| 14:33.33 | rsk | um? |
| 14:33.33 | idimmu | define not any more? |
| 14:33.35 | kantor | idimmu, thanks |
| 14:33.47 | rsk | idimmu: there's no stable and development releases any longer |
| 14:33.48 | idimmu | because they all exist |
| 14:33.51 | idimmu | k |
| 14:34.04 | idimmu | so there have been 2.1/3/5 kernels that were development kernels |
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| 14:35.06 | maher | i made a unix file system under osx - how do i mount it under linux? file -s says it is a "Unix Fast File system (big-endian)"... |
| 14:35.38 | kantor | rsk, then is somewhere states that: In the linux 2.4 series . . . . that refers only to the 2.4.x kernels, no ? |
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| 14:35.59 | idimmu | yes kantor |
| 14:36.09 | kantor | ok, thanks |
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| 14:36.20 | Ian_Daniher | how would I run a whole (odt,doc) document through a CLI text filter? |
| 14:36.30 | idimmu | also the kernel devs havent said there will never be a 2.7 |
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| 14:36.42 | idimmu | just they arent going to go that way just yet |
| 14:36.55 | kantor | aha, ok I understand now |
| 14:38.36 | rsk | kantor: yes |
| 14:39.07 | bolt_ | moo |
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| 14:46.21 | Firefishe | Is there an easy way to add another OS to the grub menu.lst file without directly editing it? |
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| 14:47.34 | asg | Firefishe: echo 'Configgy bits' >> /boot/grub/menu.lst (not '>>' is very important) |
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| 14:48.40 | Firefishe | asg: Please forgive my lack of understanding here, but that entire sentence is a bit cryptic for me. Can you clarify, please? |
| 14:48.55 | Firefishe | is that a command? |
| 14:49.06 | Firefishe | not=note? |
| 14:49.18 | idimmu | >> appends to a file rather than > which overwrites a file |
| 14:49.37 | idimmu | echo sends stuff to stdout (?) |
| 14:50.09 | idimmu | its still directly editing the file really |
| 14:50.26 | idimmu | by the sounds of it you're after an automagic installed os detection tool? |
| 14:50.39 | Firefishe | asg: That >> isn't going to write anything to menu.lst, is it? |
| 14:50.53 | Firefishe | idimmu: k |
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| 14:51.14 | Firefishe | idimmu: Well, I've got a bit of a problem that's purplexing me. |
| 14:51.28 | Firefishe | I'm running 3 OS's on one drive on a laptop. |
| 14:52.05 | Firefishe | The newest OS <a gnu/linux distro> hacks up the bootloader in a way I don't want it to be be hacked up. |
| 14:52.32 | Firefishe | It sets it up so that only the newest linux os boots, and messes up the other entries. |
| 14:52.37 | bubba | has anyone gotten rtl8187b usb wireless working with native linux drivers and wpa_supplicant |
| 14:52.41 | idimmu | why dont you try asking the devs for the bootloader you are using how to do it? |
| 14:53.16 | idimmu | i dont see why grub would have a problem with 3 OSs |
| 14:53.19 | chops | Firefishe: Reinstall the bootloader from the OS you had before (with an extra entry for the new OS). Do not let the new OS installation install its bootloader from now on. |
| 14:53.31 | chops | Firefishe: Does that make sense? |
| 14:54.26 | Firefishe | chops: Perfect sense. The thing is, grub is using UUID's for the root partition, and I don't know how to set the UUID for the newest OS. |
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| 14:54.40 | Multiply | I'm getting tired of these crontabs |
| 14:54.49 | Multiply | What's the command for creating a new tab? >__<' |
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| 14:55.22 | chops | Firefishe: From the old Linux installation, open /boot/grub/menu.lst on the new Linux installation and copy the boot stanza including UUID entries. |
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| 14:56.13 | Firefishe | chops...I think I understand...let me tinker for a min. |
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| 14:56.17 | Firefishe | thanks :) |
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| 14:58.04 | chops | Firefishe: np |
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| 14:58.57 | Firefishe | chops: I swear! How can one distro use /dev/hdaX entries whilst another uses /dev/sda....it doesn't make any sense to me. |
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| 14:59.13 | abrotman | different kernel patches ... kernel versions |
| 14:59.31 | Multiply | And where are the crontab directory? |
| 14:59.36 | maher | Firefishe: it depends on the kernel / udev - most ide drives will be called hda and most sda drives will be called sda |
| 14:59.38 | xoz_ | abrotman: what time in your place now? |
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| 15:00.03 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... X just crashed on me, I'm running Debian Lenny. Could someone help me with the xorg.log? This is what I see at the end of it: "Ring end // space: 28 wanted 32 //(II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel // (II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xf8d71000 at 0xb7ee1000 // (II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. // |
| 15:00.03 | ArthurArchnix | Fatal server error: // lockup" the "//" indicate a new line. |
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| 15:00.09 | norbert_ | hdx is IDE, SCSI/SATA/USB is sdx |
| 15:00.35 | abrotman | xoz_: uhm .. 11am |
| 15:00.51 | Multiply | Anyone? :P |
| 15:00.54 | ArthurArchnix | here's the whole thing http://pastebin.com/m1139d8fa |
| 15:01.00 | Firefishe | maher: Well, it's an ide drive on a laptop. One distro is calling it /dev/hda, the other /dev/sda, for the same type of drive. I'm looking at the new OS's /boot/grub/menu.lst file entries, and those disk entries are using the /dev/sda format...sheesh! |
| 15:01.07 | chops | ArthurArchnix: Might want to file a bug with the BTS, or upstream |
| 15:01.12 | petemc | Multiply: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ , you just use crontab -e to edit your users crontab |
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| 15:01.25 | chops | ArthurArchnix: Upstream is probably better for that sort of bug; there's not a lot the Debian developers can do other than forward it upstream |
| 15:01.41 | Multiply | petemc, when I do that, it saves them into a /tmp dir |
| 15:01.48 | chops | ArthurArchnix: Although it's good to file a Debian bug also, so that the maintainer can keep tabs on how buggy different versions are |
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| 15:01.56 | ArthurArchnix | chops I hope to... but at this point I'm not sure where the problem is. Is it org, or intel, or aiglx? Or is the aiglx thing intel too? |
| 15:02.03 | petemc | Multiply: even when you save and close? |
| 15:02.08 | Multiply | Yes. |
| 15:02.26 | Multiply | It says I'm opening file /tmp/somethingweird/crontab |
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| 15:02.47 | bolt_ | Multiply, petemc: editors like nano will show the confusing temp file, even when saving the crontab. it does work as intended, however. |
| 15:02.50 | ArthurArchnix | Basically, I was hoping someone could explain what crashed, then I could go figure out how and where to file the bug the right way. |
| 15:03.03 | Multiply | bolt, why doesn't it save it, then? :P |
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| 15:03.07 | Firefishe | chops: I've hit a snag: Evidently I chose disk-by-id, instead of UUID, so there is no UUID in the new distro's menu.lst. I suppose it'd still work, but could I change it later? |
| 15:03.09 | bolt_ | just try doing crontab -e again afterwards |
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| 15:03.12 | bolt_ | Multiply: it does |
| 15:03.17 | chops | ArthurArchnix: I don't know anything about aiglx. If you're running from all Debian-provided packages, then filing a bug against xserver-xorg-video-intel (and upstream as well) is probably best |
| 15:03.18 | Multiply | hm. Anyway.. |
| 15:03.27 | Multiply | I've got my crontab added. Why isn't the tab working, then? |
| 15:03.43 | ArthurArchnix | !tell me about filing a bug |
| 15:03.58 | bolt_ | Multiply: because you wrote it wrong? ^^ do your changes show up when you do crontab -e again? |
| 15:03.58 | chops | Firefishe: I'm not sure exactly what you're describing. Can you pastebin both OS's grub.lst files? |
| 15:04.08 | Firefishe | chops...np... |
| 15:04.16 | Multiply | bolt, I added the tab as root, myself. If I do -e, it show up, yes |
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| 15:04.22 | Firefishe | again, thanks *beer toss* |
| 15:04.31 | chops | catches beer |
| 15:04.39 | bolt_ | Multiply: then there's just something wrong. throw us your crontab line |
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| 15:05.00 | extor | Is it possible to install Ksnapshot in Gnome? |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 15:05.52 | Multiply | 1 * * * * php /var/www/test.php |
| 15:05.52 | norbert_ | extor: it is |
| 15:06.12 | bolt_ | Multiply: that will happen 1 past every hour, afaik |
| 15:06.15 | norbert_ | extor: just run apt-get install ksnapshot |
| 15:06.15 | extor | norbert_, I am reading in the description that it is part of some KDE graphics thingy |
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| 15:06.24 | extor | norbert_, I just did |
| 15:06.29 | Multiply | Wah. I don't get it, now xD |
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| 15:06.35 | bolt_ | Multiply: as, 16:01, 17:01 and so on |
| 15:06.39 | bolt_ | Multiply: man cron |
| 15:06.47 | extor | but when I hit printscreen..the gnome screenshot comes up |
| 15:06.48 | Multiply | Ow. Doh. |
| 15:06.48 | extor | :( |
| 15:06.51 | norbert_ | extor: and then start $ ksnapshot |
| 15:06.53 | nubbun | What are the sources for Testing and Unstable .jigdo files? |
| 15:06.53 | Multiply | I was trying to do it every minute |
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| 15:07.00 | bolt_ | Multiply: * * * * * |
| 15:07.04 | Multiply | Two sec. |
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| 15:07.39 | Multiply | Now let's see, if it works now |
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| 15:08.01 | norbert_ | nubbun: the sources are .deb files, just like in stable |
| 15:08.10 | Multiply | Oh, thanks bolt_. |
| 15:08.20 | bolt_ | Multiply: np. man cron :) |
| 15:08.28 | bolt_ | it's quite simple |
| 15:08.35 | norbert_ | nubbun: if that doesn't answer your question, you may have to rephrase the question, because it's quite vague |
| 15:08.37 | Multiply | If I edit the cronfile by hand, like changing the file thru a bash script.. Will it break it? |
| 15:08.40 | Multiply | Or not update it? |
| 15:09.20 | bolt_ | Multiply: I'm sure it wont break. It might now update, though. You most likely have to send cron some command to make it re-read the file. |
| 15:09.26 | bolt_ | s/now/not |
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| 15:10.02 | Multiply | Couldn't I just.. make a temp file, then crontab -someoption -u root, that makes it replace it? |
| 15:10.13 | bolt_ | maybe |
| 15:10.14 | bolt_ | man cron |
| 15:10.15 | bolt_ | :) |
| 15:10.23 | nubbun | Where can I download .jigdo files that contain the information to allow me to download the Testing and Unstable ISO images via jigdo? |
| 15:10.25 | petemc | or use /etc/crontab |
| 15:10.36 | sghd | For some reason my new Debian install isn't able to start OpenSSH because the NIC driver is loaded so late |
| 15:11.05 | Firefishe | chops: http://rafb.net/p/df406U92.html <and> http://rafb.net/p/ZG1VzR37.html respectively. |
| 15:11.11 | sghd | Any clues as to fixing it? |
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| 15:11.26 | Firefishe | If you feel I need to take it elsewhere, that's fine. I understand. |
| 15:11.53 | norbert_ | nubbun: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:12.08 | Firefishe | hey abrotman |
| 15:12.10 | norbert_ | nubbun: (if that's what you are looking for) and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | Firefishe: you're aware of #ubuntu ? |
| 15:12.25 | chops | Firefishe: Heh |
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| 15:12.51 | chops | Firefishe: Well, you can find the UUID with tune2fs -l |
| 15:13.06 | chops | Firefishe: That should let you use UUID for the Suse filesystems when booting Ubuntu |
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| 15:13.16 | chops | Firefishe: But yes, you probably should get Ubuntu support from #ubuntu :-) |
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| 15:13.22 | Firefishe | abrotman: I'm aware of a lot of things. I'm also aware that this is a fairly generic issue, common to any gnu/linux distro. If you do a /whois on me, you'll see I'm in #grub, too; of course, it's dead. |
| 15:13.25 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 15:13.27 | sghd | I could put a "sleep" command in OpenSSH's startup script, but thats ugly. Any other suggestions? |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | Firefishe: #grub is iffy .. if you wait there long enough they usually answer .. but please ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 15:14.03 | Firefishe | abrotman: for a generic bootloader issue? |
| 15:14.08 | Firefishe | very well, if that's what you desire. |
| 15:14.14 | maher | sghd: shouldn't sshd start even if there is no network? |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | Firefishe: how the heck is it a #debian issue ? |
| 15:14.35 | Firefishe | chops: thanks for the uuid stuff. I'll take it from here. |
| 15:14.43 | sghd | maher: Configured to bind to a specific address, no... |
| 15:14.57 | chops | abrotman: (Suse + Ubuntu) / 2 == Debian? :-) |
| 15:15.00 | Firefishe | abrotman: it's a generic bootloader issue. |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | Firefishe: #grub is iffy .. if you wait there long enough they usually answer .. but please ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 15:15.07 | Firefishe | LOL |
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| 15:15.15 | Firefishe | understood abrotman |
| 15:15.24 | maher | sghd: dunno - change order of boot scripts or something? |
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| 15:17.32 | sghd | maher: Installed through apt-get, home come that "bug" went through testing? |
| 15:17.45 | sghd | Tried with both vanilla and custom kernel (without modules) |
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| 15:18.00 | nubbun | norbert_: Thanks. I see them (for DVD ISOs) . Which directory is for the 'unstable' branch? |
| 15:18.24 | fbc | what's fast CD install or USB memory stick install? |
| 15:18.37 | fbc | faster |
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| 15:19.18 | bolt_ | fbc: compare the speed of your usb drive to that of your cd-rom drive. tip: hdparm has some performance tests |
| 15:19.19 | nubbun | fbc. faster to write most CDs. faster to read from stick. |
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| 15:19.44 | nubbun | fbc: presuming hi speed usb |
| 15:19.57 | fbc | nubbun, ok great.. USB it is... |
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| 15:20.36 | bolt_ | nubbun: i'll beat your usb with 2 56x cd-roms in raid 0! |
| 15:20.53 | nubbun | grins. |
| 15:20.58 | nubbun | bolt_: I'm sure you would. |
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| 15:21.28 | norbert_ | nubbun: they are both lenny, one is CD and one is DVD |
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| 15:21.47 | norbert_ | (The current "testing" distribution is lenny.) |
| 15:22.08 | nubbun | norbert_: I'm looking for "unstable" not "testing" |
| 15:22.28 | bolt_ | nubbun: if you need help with unstable you shouldn't use it... |
| 15:22.36 | nubbun | norbert_: I was looking for both. You helped me find "testing" so I'm no longer seeking it. Rather found it. |
| 15:22.40 | cesar_CR | hi guys |
| 15:22.44 | zxxd | is there a 3 language limitation in X Keyboard Extension , i am trying to use setxkbmap to 5 language -layout ... , and it only picks 3 in addition to US |
| 15:23.04 | cesar_CR | wich packet should I install for having the X11 libraries ?? |
| 15:23.32 | norbert_ | nubbun: they don't exist for unstable |
| 15:23.40 | chops | cesar_CR: (1) It's "package", not "packet" (2) What are you trying to do? |
| 15:23.49 | bolt_ | cesar_CR: x-window-system-core should get you all of them. perhaps a bit too much though |
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| 15:29.11 | sghd | If my recompiled kernel doesn't use modules, how can i disable "mod-probing" dusring startup? |
| 15:29.17 | sghd | during |
| 15:30.09 | magyar_ | hi, need help to get courier-imap using "pam_mkhomedir" |
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| 15:31.08 | norbert_ | nubbun: there are UNofficial jigdo packages for sid, it seems |
| 15:31.32 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 15:31.51 | norbert_ | hi ShiftOnYou |
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| 15:32.41 | norbert_ | nubbun: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=unofficial%2Fsid%2Fjigdo&btnG=Google+Search |
| 15:32.46 | ShiftOnYou | if i log me in to my server over ssh i only get Last login: Mon Jul 7 06:21:39 2008 from xxx ... a few days ago the welcome message was more then 1 line... how do i change it back? |
| 15:32.51 | nubbun | norbert_: I'm interested. Though i guess I'll try reading how it's officially done. Thanks. |
| 15:32.52 | norbert_ | nubbun: but I'm not sure you want to use those things |
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| 15:33.53 | sagun | hi |
| 15:34.32 | Buck_ | is the Python Easy Install package in the apt repository? |
| 15:34.33 | norbert_ | ShiftOnYou: that has to do with your /etc/motd |
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| 15:34.54 | sagun | I have a T61 |
| 15:34.57 | sagun | machine |
| 15:35.09 | ShiftOnYou | norbert_, i already checked that file ... its correct like it was before ... but the login message not :( |
| 15:35.44 | clemente | wow, mutt keeps reading the mailbox at $MAIL. How can I configure a new mailbox in its configuration file? (set folder, set mbox, set imap_user, ... ?) |
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| 15:35.48 | chops | !tell Buck about search |
| 15:35.49 | sagun | with nVidia Quadro NVS 140M and get a blank screen when i boot does anyone have any idea on how to solve it |
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| 15:36.22 | Buck | I did search |
| 15:36.24 | Buck | but I couldn't find it |
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| 15:37.01 | chops | Buck: That's probably an indication that it isn't there, then... |
| 15:37.19 | petemc | clemente: ~/..muttrc or /etc/Muttrc , theres plenty of examples on the web |
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| 15:37.27 | petemc | one too many dots there |
| 15:37.28 | Buck | chops, it could be |
| 15:37.41 | Buck | or perhaps it has an obscure name and some python dude happened to know what it was |
| 15:37.49 | clemente | petemc: yes but it still keeps using the mailbox $MAIL |
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| 15:38.06 | clemente | I tried „set mbox“, „mailboxes imap://....“ and others |
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| 15:38.26 | clemente | set folder... |
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| 15:38.29 | petemc | clemente: i would double check your syntax, it works well for me and lots of other people |
| 15:38.41 | holymoly | hi guys |
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| 15:39.09 | holymoly | i sometimes ssh through a 2 or 3 boxes. is it possible to export x or http or whatever back over the multiple connections? |
| 15:39.26 | clemente | petemc: ok, I found the right option: „set spoolfile“ |
| 15:39.42 | clemente | set spoolfile = imap://user@server/ |
| 15:39.51 | clemente | The others don't work |
| 15:39.58 | petemc | well done |
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| 15:40.17 | hoxu | anyone on lenny/sid able to check whether iceweasel3 segfaults when you run "firefox -a firefox http://www.google.com" while it's running? |
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| 15:41.08 | norbert_ | ShiftOnYou: what does this tell you?: # grep -i motd /etc/pam.d/login |
| 15:41.08 | sagun | i get a blank screen when i boot my new debian , it has 2.6.18 kernel and my graphics card is nVidia Quadro NVS 140M, any help would be really nice |
| 15:41.13 | hoxu | holymoly, probably it is :) |
| 15:41.31 | norbert_ | (ShiftOnYou: I have no idea what could be wrong, I'm just guessing) |
| 15:41.31 | hoxu | sagun, ctrl-alt-f1 yields what? |
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| 15:41.59 | ShiftOnYou | norbert_, some commented lines and session optional pam_motd.so |
| 15:42.09 | sagun | hoxu, i dunno i am in windows right now |
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| 15:43.16 | sagun | hoxu, when i did alt f2 or alt f3 i didnt see anything |
| 15:43.29 | sagun | but i didnt try ctrl alt fkeys |
| 15:43.51 | hoxu | sagun, you need to add ctrl when you are in X, alt-FX only works from console |
| 15:44.08 | sagun | hoxu, i will try that and let u know, brb |
| 15:44.13 | hoxu | sagun, are you using the driver from nvidia.com? |
| 15:44.31 | hoxu | sagun, and did you make any upgrades recently (eg. kernel, x libs etc)? |
| 15:44.49 | sagun | hoxu, no i didnt download it but its a not free driver |
| 15:45.12 | sagun | hoxu, i installed a fresh copy of debian 4 on my T61 machine |
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| 15:45.40 | sagun | then i have added nvidia drivers from non free repos |
| 15:46.08 | sagun | brb |
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| 15:46.21 | remoteCTR1 | Hi all! |
| 15:46.37 | remoteCTR1 | xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-686 versus xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 whats the difference? |
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| 15:47.50 | docmax | sometimes mey keyboard messes up (long press on backspace doesnt repead the key). how can i fix this? |
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| 15:48.28 | norbert_ | docmax: does this happen in all applications or just in a terminal? |
| 15:48.37 | norbert_ | docmax: also, do you use gnome? |
| 15:48.38 | kenjy | hi guys, I have two cards, a nvidia and a s3virge, I wanna use them with two monitors |
| 15:48.45 | docmax | no gnome |
| 15:48.50 | docmax | all apps |
| 15:48.55 | kenjy | can you help me? Im not shure if running two xorg's its the correct way |
| 15:48.55 | norbert_ | docmax: kde? |
| 15:48.59 | docmax | no kde |
| 15:49.00 | docmax | fluxbox |
| 15:49.03 | ShiftOnYou | norbert_, i got it... in the sshd_config file: PrintMotd was no... now on yes it works again... strange thing is ... on a other debian server it works also with the no option :/ |
| 15:49.19 | docmax | i think there is a reset command beginning with XKB.... |
| 15:49.27 | norbert_ | ShiftOnYou: okay, well it's good that you found the solution :) |
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| 15:49.44 | norbert_ | docmax: yeah, something like that - give me a moment, I'll look it up, if you want |
| 15:49.55 | ShiftOnYou | norbert_, thx 4 your help ;) |
| 15:50.13 | docmax | norbert_, yes thanks |
| 15:50.18 | docmax | look it up for me |
| 15:50.55 | norbert_ | kbdrate, I think, but... |
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| 15:51.36 | norbert_ | docmax: that would require the install of "kbd" |
| 15:52.00 | docmax | ok i will do it |
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| 15:52.14 | remoteCTR1 | can anyone tell me what the difference between the vserver version of xen and the non vserver version is please? |
| 15:52.37 | norbert_ | docmax: well, I think you need to add a line to the kbd section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:52.41 | norbert_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.57 | docmax | i already have kbdrate |
| 15:53.06 | docmax | i need to reset it on running X |
| 15:53.19 | norbert_ | look for the Section "InputDevice" |
| 15:53.22 | kenjy | some one? |
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| 15:54.22 | nubbun | I've been told of difficulty downloading a torrent and then updating by jigdo. That jigdo doesn't recognize the ISO. Is there a workaround? |
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| 15:54.40 | norbert_ | kenjy: no idea; maybe check http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 15:54.45 | docmax | xkbsert seems to be something |
| 15:54.58 | docmax | xkbset |
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| 15:56.39 | Dundreary | hello all |
| 15:56.49 | nubbun | kenjy: It is possible to run 1 X server for each monitor. then one display is :0 and the other :1 |
| 15:56.55 | docmax | doesnt work |
| 15:57.14 | kenjy | norbert_: tnks |
| 15:57.14 | norbert_ | docmax: did you alter the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 15:57.27 | Dundreary | does anyone know how to make the distro recognize the middle button (scroll) of the mouse? |
| 15:57.36 | docmax | no, but i need it changed while running x session |
| 15:57.36 | sagun | I am back |
| 15:57.36 | kenjy | nubbun: how can I do this? do you have a doc to share? :P |
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| 15:58.19 | nubbun | kenjy: you might be able to use 1 display across both cards using xinerama |
| 15:58.33 | sagun | The computer hangs with black screen and nothing happens when I press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 15:59.03 | kenjy | nubbun: well I don't think that I could use xinerama because one card don't support a depth higher than 16bits |
| 15:59.19 | docmax | how can i change the keyboard repeat rate while running x session? somehow mine is messed up |
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| 15:59.44 | Dundreary | does anyone know how to make the distro recognize the middle button (scroll) of the mouse? |
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| 15:59.49 | nubbun | sagun: are you sure it is hung? can you ctr+alt+F? to where you were? |
| 16:00.04 | norbert_ | Dundreary: yes, you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:00.15 | sagun | nubbun, i switch backed to windows |
| 16:00.30 | Dundreary | oh..I did that. |
| 16:00.32 | sagun | but when i pressed ctrl + alt + f keys nothing happened |
| 16:00.38 | Dundreary | to no avail.. |
| 16:00.44 | sagun | hoxu, nothing happened |
| 16:00.52 | norbert_ | Dundreary: does the middle mouse button work? is just the scrolling a problem? |
| 16:01.13 | nubbun | kenjy: I don't know and have never used that setup myself. I know that X supports different displays for that purpose. |
| 16:01.17 | Dundreary | yes, it works |
| 16:01.23 | docmax | GOT IT!! |
| 16:01.25 | Dundreary | only scrolling is a problem |
| 16:01.27 | docmax | its xset r rate 195 35 |
| 16:01.36 | norbert_ | docmax: great :) |
| 16:01.46 | docmax | norbert_, could u tell me thiis? |
| 16:01.47 | norbert_ | Dundreary: hum... do you use gnome? |
| 16:01.52 | docmax | couldnt |
| 16:01.53 | kenjy | nubbun: tnks so you don't know a doc or a how to? XD |
| 16:02.07 | norbert_ | docmax: well, it may only be a temporary solution |
| 16:02.13 | norbert_ | docmax: try booting and see if it still works |
| 16:02.15 | Dundreary | well, I'm a total newbie. I just installed Damn small linux last week |
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| 16:02.20 | nubbun | kenjy: right. |
| 16:02.27 | Dundreary | how do I know if Ihave gnome or not? |
| 16:02.38 | docmax | norbert_, it always works on boot... |
| 16:02.46 | norbert_ | Dundreary: do you have a menu with "Applications Places Desktop" ? |
| 16:02.53 | norbert_ | docmax: then yyou |
| 16:03.08 | norbert_ | docmax: 'll just have to wait and see if it keeps working, I guess :) |
| 16:03.14 | JyZyXEL | is there a tool that lets you shape bandwidth throttle limits realtime based on the open sockets? |
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| 16:03.55 | Dundreary | there is this Menu-> Setup->Xsetup |
| 16:04.10 | norbert_ | Dundreary: I'm not sure DSL is the best Linux to start with as a newbie |
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| 16:04.17 | Dundreary | oh.. |
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| 16:04.27 | Dundreary | then, what is? |
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| 16:05.29 | rdz | how can i find out, where the source code is of the kernel module, that provides a certain controller (/sys/devices/platform/asus-laptop/ledd for instance)? |
| 16:05.35 | norbert_ | Dundreary: how much space do you have available on your hard disk? |
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| 16:06.14 | norbert_ | Dundreary: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_scroll_wheel_on_my_USB_mouse_working.3F |
| 16:06.15 | Dundreary | btw, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gave Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available |
| 16:06.36 | Dundreary | hey..thanks for the link |
| 16:06.59 | norbert_ | Dundreary: if you have enough space (say, 5 gig or more), I think Ubuntu is probably a better Linux to start with |
| 16:07.19 | Dundreary | oh..hmm. |
| 16:07.50 | Dundreary | the problem is my RAM, it's only 64 MiB |
| 16:08.35 | docmax | in debian there are some variables like $HOME $MAIL and so on. where are they defined? |
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| 16:09.33 | norbert_ | docmax: various places; what do you want to do or change? |
| 16:10.23 | norbert_ | Dundreary: then try Xubuntu |
| 16:10.58 | norbert_ | (Xubuntu is intended for users with less powerful computers or those who seek a highly efficient desktop environment on faster systems.) |
| 16:11.35 | docmax | for example $BROWSER is used by mani apllications to start up the right browser when clicking on an url... i want to set up all $ vaiables... |
| 16:11.43 | Dundreary | norbert_:ok |
| 16:12.01 | abrotman | uhm .. what's wrong with debian? |
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| 16:12.13 | valdyn | docmax: who has $BROWSER defined at all? |
| 16:12.14 | norbert_ | docmax: when you are in a Terminal and use Bash, try: $ export VARIABLE=... |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | how is Xubuntu any more efficient that Debian? oh .. it's not |
| 16:12.22 | norbert_ | docmax: then run applications that use those variables |
| 16:12.27 | norbert_ | (docmax: that's one way to do it) |
| 16:12.46 | norbert_ | abrotman: Debian isn't as usable as (X)ubuntu for newbies |
| 16:12.52 | abrotman | bullshit |
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| 16:13.46 | norbert_ | abrotman: I don't mind disagreeing about that. I don't feel like starting a discussion about it though :) |
| 16:13.46 | docmax | how can i see a lixt of existing $-variables? |
| 16:13.53 | JarZk1 | tä |
| 16:13.56 | norbert_ | docmax: type: $ export |
| 16:14.03 | valdyn | docmax: type "env" in a shell |
| 16:14.19 | docmax | ah yeah i see |
| 16:14.22 | abrotman | norbert_: because you're wrong :) |
| 16:14.30 | rahul | norbert_: his problem is that he doesn't have enough RAM and you're telling him to use something that's more memory-hungry? |
| 16:15.03 | norbert_ | rahul: Xubuntu is usable with 64 MB and it's more user friendly than DSL |
| 16:15.03 | docmax | very very cool |
| 16:15.08 | rahul | norbert_: anyway, his whole problem is that he chose not to install the thing he wants to use |
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| 16:15.24 | rahul | norbert_: and wtf does that comparison have to do with your statement? |
| 16:15.47 | norbert_ | rahul: which statement of mine, exactly? |
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| 16:15.54 | rahul | 12:12 < norbert_> abrotman: Debian isn't as usable as (X)ubuntu for newbies |
| 16:16.01 | norbert_ | ah, no, I'm not going to discuss that :) |
| 16:16.03 | rahul | 12:10 < norbert_> Dundreary: then try Xubuntu |
| 16:16.11 | rahul | norbert_: then don't say it in the first place |
| 16:16.16 | docmax | linux is amazing |
| 16:16.32 | valdyn | Dundreary: all debian based distros will suffer badly on a 64MiB ram system from their package management tools being to heavy already |
| 16:16.37 | docmax | everyone sould use linux |
| 16:16.44 | rahul | valdyn: eh, 64 isn't too bad |
| 16:16.46 | rahul | try 32 :P |
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| 16:17.11 | norbert_ | 32 MB is scary, even with blackbox or something similar |
| 16:17.22 | rahul | huh/ |
| 16:17.28 | valdyn | rahul: i know why im not going to do that ;) |
| 16:17.30 | rahul | 32 MB is fine without blackbox |
| 16:17.45 | rahul | or anything similar |
| 16:17.47 | docmax | what does a "." mean in linux bash?? (point) |
| 16:17.47 | norbert_ | hehe, yeah, with lynx et al it's fine |
| 16:17.52 | Dundreary | valdyn:yeah..I'm seeing that:) |
| 16:17.57 | rahul | docmax: depends where... |
| 16:18.07 | rahul | docmax: as the "command", it's a synonym for "source" |
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| 16:18.10 | norbert_ | docmax: (a symlink to) the current directory |
| 16:18.13 | Dundreary | lenny doesn't work on DSL :( |
| 16:18.17 | rahul | docmax: as a filename, it's the current directory |
| 16:18.21 | rahul | norbert_: not a symlink at all |
| 16:18.39 | norbert_ | eh yeah, sorry about that |
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| 16:18.49 | valdyn | i suppose a very low ram machine might make dselect attractive again |
| 16:18.51 | docmax | for example i wanted to chown everything in a dir recursively... |
| 16:18.57 | rahul | Dundreary: yeah, Ford doesn't work on BMW, either |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | !tell docmax about grounding |
| 16:19.01 | docmax | chmod xxx:xxx -R * |
| 16:19.12 | docmax | but it did: |
| 16:19.15 | docmax | chmod xxx:xxx -R .* |
| 16:19.15 | norbert_ | docmax: $ chown -R user.user * |
| 16:19.26 | Dundreary | rahul: LOL. Pathetic analogy. |
| 16:19.32 | docmax | .* and * is a difference |
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| 16:19.36 | rahul | Dundreary: as pathetic as your statement |
| 16:19.39 | docmax | i messed up my system |
| 16:19.40 | valdyn | docmax: * gets every file that does not start with a dot |
| 16:20.02 | rahul | docmax: "it did"? |
| 16:20.04 | norbert_ | docmax: files that start with a dot (.) are hidden files |
| 16:20.09 | justin | don't use -r with * |
| 16:20.14 | valdyn | docmax: files starting with a dot are hidden files except for ./ ( current directory ) and ../ ( parent directory ) |
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| 16:20.18 | docmax | chmod xxx:xxx -R .* did chown EVERYTHING on my disk |
| 16:20.26 | rahul | docmax: nope |
| 16:20.28 | valdyn | docmax: no |
| 16:20.33 | docmax | yes it did |
| 16:20.35 | Dundreary | rahul: I mean it doesn't really make any sense. Ford and BMW are rivals. DSL and Debian aren't |
| 16:20.35 | valdyn | docmax: but that command is stupid still |
| 16:20.36 | justin | cd ..;ch... -R foo/ |
| 16:20.39 | rahul | docmax: .* will only apply to hidden files |
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| 16:20.48 | rahul | Dundreary: uh, yes they are |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | Dundreary: they are not the same distro though |
| 16:21.02 | docmax | see what i wanted: chown complete HOME dir |
| 16:21.06 | valdyn | rahul: no |
| 16:21.13 | docmax | chmod xxx:xxx -R * did not do the trick |
| 16:21.17 | rahul | Dundreary: they're "rivals" in the same sense. you're allowed to own both a Ford and a BMW, but not in the same car. same with DSL and Debian... they're different distros. |
| 16:21.19 | valdyn | rahul: .* gets almost everything |
| 16:21.23 | abrotman | why is he chmod'ing anything ? |
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| 16:21.28 | docmax | left out hidden files |
| 16:21.35 | norbert_ | docmax: if you're working as a user (nad not root), then most files shouldn't change since you have no rights to change them |
| 16:21.37 | rahul | valdyn: almost everything except for non-hidden files |
| 16:21.37 | docmax | then i did .* |
| 16:21.42 | valdyn | rahul: no |
| 16:21.46 | rahul | valdyn: yes |
| 16:21.50 | valdyn | rahul: ../file is gotten |
| 16:21.59 | valdyn | rahul: just aswell as ../dir/file |
| 16:22.00 | norbert_ | abrotman: hehe, that is a good question :) |
| 16:22.03 | graytron | Dundreary: what's DSL? |
| 16:22.03 | tom | when using /bin/ps, the USER column sometimes only displays the UID and not the whole username. how can i make ps display the correct username? the user is in /etc/passwd |
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| 16:22.08 | docmax | and .* changed everything .. also outsite the home dir |
| 16:22.21 | rahul | valdyn: not in any shell I know of, using normal settings |
| 16:22.23 | valdyn | docmax: thats a stupid command, unix allows stupid commands |
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| 16:22.26 | docmax | so .* means whole disk with hidden files? |
| 16:22.35 | norbert_ | grand_grunt: Damn Small Linux (or www.abbreviations.com/DSL ) |
| 16:22.37 | rahul | oh, maybe I'm the one with abnormal settings :P |
| 16:22.49 | docmax | i warn you, keep out with .* |
| 16:22.53 | liable | tom: apparently it shows the uid if the username is longer than 8 chars |
| 16:22.54 | rahul | "echo .*" doesn't include . or .. |
| 16:23.00 | rahul | (in my zsh setup) |
| 16:23.11 | petemc | does on bash |
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| 16:23.25 | norbert_ | yep, does in Bash |
| 16:23.27 | tom | liable: hmm yes that's possible |
| 16:23.35 | valdyn | rahul: ls -ld .* | grep "\.\." |
| 16:23.37 | docmax | rahul, it does!! |
| 16:23.46 | valdyn | rahul: you're just wrong |
| 16:23.47 | rahul | valdyn: exit status 1 |
| 16:23.48 | docmax | . and .. |
| 16:23.55 | rahul | no output |
| 16:23.55 | docmax | is on the echo list |
| 16:24.03 | valdyn | rahul: wonder what shell you have |
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| 16:24.09 | rahul | valdyn: I already said... |
| 16:24.15 | docmax | this means: .* selects ALL!!! |
| 16:24.20 | valdyn | rahul: ok, zsh, yea |
| 16:24.20 | rahul | docmax: nope |
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| 16:24.25 | petemc | docmax: no it doesnt |
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| 16:24.30 | ma3x | I wanted to know about /etc/init.d it's been a long time i haven't done this |
| 16:24.35 | rahul | docmax: it means that -R .* selects all in the parent dir |
| 16:24.36 | ma3x | sorry, ignore that |
| 16:24.37 | justin | petemc: it depends on the shell and the shell options |
| 16:24.40 | valdyn | docmax: not all, but alot |
| 16:24.47 | petemc | justin: is it not safe to assume bash? |
| 16:25.09 | rahul | petemc: I don't think bash is the default in debian |
| 16:25.12 | valdyn | docmax: the comand you _really_ wanted to use was "chmod x.y -R ./" |
| 16:25.14 | justin | petemc: sure, but it does depend on the shell :) |
| 16:25.18 | docmax | valdyn, i did a chown with -R and .* |
| 16:25.18 | valdyn | docmax: no globbing * |
| 16:25.29 | justin | valdyn: really the safest thing is cd ..;ch... -R foo/ |
| 16:25.32 | docmax | and it chowned even /bin !!!!! |
| 16:25.33 | norbert_ | I'm pretty use bash is the default |
| 16:25.38 | docmax | and /usr |
| 16:25.39 | Bushmills | docmax: no it doesn't. it means "all beginning with . - that includes .." |
| 16:25.47 | valdyn | docmax: SURE |
| 16:25.52 | rahul | norbert_: you've been wrong about almost everything you've said so far, tho :) |
| 16:26.01 | valdyn | docmax: ../../bin/ starts with a dot |
| 16:26.02 | norbert_ | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2005-02/0459.html |
| 16:26.06 | norbert_ | rahul: bullshit |
| 16:26.15 | rahul | IIRC, dash became the default with etch |
| 16:26.21 | avu | rahul, no |
| 16:26.29 | avu | rahul, bash is the default, still is in lenny |
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| 16:26.39 | avu | rahul, and dash will never become the default shell for interactive use |
| 16:26.42 | docmax | chown .* messed up my whole system |
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| 16:26.48 | avu | rahul, (it's not build for that) |
| 16:26.50 | valdyn | docmax: we know |
| 16:26.53 | rahul | avu: oh, it's only for running startup scripts or stuff? |
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| 16:27.03 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 16:27.04 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:27.05 | avu | rahul, yes. and even there it's not default |
| 16:27.07 | valdyn | docmax: ^^^ |
| 16:27.10 | avu | rahul, not even in lenny |
| 16:27.13 | docmax | so -R .* goes recursively to my root dir... right? |
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| 16:27.26 | valdyn | docmax: im sure your mistake is violating several "unix lessons" |
| 16:27.28 | docmax | or not? |
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| 16:27.35 | rahul | avu: well, it's the fallback, I mean |
| 16:27.43 | avu | rahul, not that either |
| 16:27.56 | docmax | so -R .* goes recursively to my root dir... right? [Y/n] ?? |
| 16:28.03 | valdyn | docmax: yes |
| 16:28.05 | avu | rahul, it has to be explicitly instaleld and only when one does that, one has the option to link /bin/sh to dash |
| 16:28.09 | docmax | that was my fault |
| 16:28.11 | rahul | docmax: depends on your shell |
| 16:28.29 | valdyn | lets not confuse him with shells, when hes using bash like 99% |
| 16:28.42 | docmax | so how can i chown ALL files in my home dir with one command? (including hidden files?) |
| 16:28.53 | valdyn | docmax: chown -R ./ |
| 16:29.07 | docmax | so this was the trick |
| 16:29.12 | graytron | maybe "chown -R user:group $HOME"" |
| 16:29.13 | justin | valdyn: really the safest thing is cd ..;ch... -R foo/ |
| 16:29.14 | rahul | avu: oh, I guess the effort to remove bashisms from scripts was to _allow_ dash to be used, not to make it the default |
| 16:29.21 | docmax | -R .* was a disaster |
| 16:29.24 | avu | rahul, exactly |
| 16:29.30 | holymoly | does anyone know how to port forward 80 from a machine that is 2 or 3 ssh sessions deep? |
| 16:29.37 | rahul | docmax: -R . |
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| 16:29.47 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.48 | norbert_ | docmax: if you only used chown and you didn't run it as root, it shouldn't be a disaster at all |
| 16:29.56 | docmax | rahul, no, this would only change hidden files |
| 16:29.58 | ma3x | why is iceweasel so damn buggy? |
| 16:29.59 | rahul | holymoly: you need to forward all along the chain |
| 16:30.01 | rahul | docmax: wrong |
| 16:30.09 | ma3x | sometimes it just stops opening websites, and i have to close the damn thing |
| 16:30.11 | rahul | docmax: . has nothing to do with specifying hidden files |
| 16:30.12 | holymoly | oh |
| 16:30.13 | docmax | norbert_, i did run as root |
| 16:30.18 | holymoly | danke |
| 16:30.20 | graytron | justin: why is that? |
| 16:30.22 | rahul | docmax: . is a directory... the current working dir |
| 16:30.25 | valdyn | justin: im not trying to teach him that, but the point of addressing ./ where he used * |
| 16:30.26 | docmax | and chown to user:user |
| 16:30.27 | norbert_ | docmax: eh, okay... WHY? |
| 16:30.32 | rahul | ma3x: reload |
| 16:30.35 | justin | graytron: not a good thing to have in your history |
| 16:30.36 | norbert_ | docmax: if you are testing things, never do that as root |
| 16:30.40 | rahul | ma3x: it will load the page you think it was supposed to load |
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| 16:30.56 | docmax | ill take unix lessions |
| 16:31.02 | docmax | how will give me? |
| 16:31.12 | valdyn | docmax: dpkg gave you |
| 16:31.12 | docmax | 10$ / h |
| 16:31.16 | justin | docmax: that was your unix lesson |
| 16:31.29 | JarZk1 | TÄ |
| 16:31.32 | tech13 | How do I reset mysql's mysql database? poweroutage last night appears to have corrupted the privileges tables, but left all the data tables alone. |
| 16:31.44 | norbert_ | docmax: I'll do it for free via IRC, if rahul allows me to do that |
| 16:31.59 | holymoly | rahul: i may not have time to figure out the syntax, but will later as my flight leaves soon. can you confirm for me that this works ... as in you've done it, yes? |
| 16:32.04 | docmax | ok... anyway, i have learned a lot |
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| 16:32.12 | docmax | i got linux 1 month now |
| 16:32.23 | docmax | spending hours and hours.. no sex at all |
| 16:32.30 | docmax | and i am amazed |
| 16:32.39 | ma3x | rahul: it doesn't work man! |
| 16:32.39 | norbert_ | docmax: however, would you've had sex without Linux? :P |
| 16:32.45 | docmax | although the hardware support on laptop is limited |
| 16:32.57 | rahul | holymoly: yes, you need to be very careful about not confusing here with there and there with the other there :) |
| 16:33.07 | docmax | norbert_, yes, cause i had more time for girlfriend |
| 16:33.12 | rahul | ma3x: works for me after I reload |
| 16:33.18 | holymoly | rahul: good enough, google time at my destination. my thanks my friend |
| 16:33.23 | docmax | going out etc. |
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| 16:34.52 | lindenle | Hi Can someone help me get my base srtation cdrom to be reckognized? |
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| 16:35.35 | wols | lindenle: lspci or lsusb. does it show up? |
| 16:35.43 | docmax | ok ls -R . seems to be the same as ls -R ./ |
| 16:35.45 | graytron | something wrong with security.debian.org? |
| 16:35.55 | rahul | docmax: that's what I said |
| 16:36.06 | rahul | !penixstrike docmax |
| 16:36.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking docmax to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:36.14 | docmax | ls -R .* i dont understand what this does |
| 16:36.18 | docmax | still |
| 16:36.25 | lindenle | wols: i see an sata copntroller in lspci but nothing in lsusb |
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| 16:36.43 | norbert_ | docmax: that's because "." is the current directory and "/" only affirms it's a directory, like /home/ is the same as /home |
| 16:37.08 | rahul | docmax: it globs .*, which means all files that start with "." |
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| 16:37.27 | rahul | docmax: (except in zsh, or at least with a certain option, where it excludes . and .. from that) |
| 16:37.41 | Bushmills | i guess there's a good reason why one root privileges are (should be) restricted to root account |
| 16:38.00 | Bushmills | s/one// |
| 16:38.54 | docmax | ls -R .* seems to stay in the DIR |
| 16:39.18 | docmax | but chown -R .* changed EVERYTHING.. i remember!!! |
| 16:39.24 | docmax | how can this be? |
| 16:39.37 | docmax | i dont get it |
| 16:39.59 | ezguy | i have bootdisk image this 2mb and I mount it as loop back to add more files to but is out of space. Is there away to increase the size of the image? |
| 16:40.16 | norbert_ | docmax: it didn't |
| 16:40.21 | norbert_ | docmax: I just tried it myself |
| 16:40.31 | Bushmills | hehe, San Francisco wants to name a wastewater treatment plant after G.W. Bush :) |
| 16:40.31 | docmax | it did!!! if i say it!!! it did!!! |
| 16:40.40 | docmax | and i will not do it again |
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| 16:40.42 | jelly | !!! |
| 16:40.42 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:40.43 | wols | ezguy: yes. depends on the filesystem |
| 16:40.46 | docmax | i was in home dir |
| 16:40.59 | jelly | docmax: your /home/user, or "/home"? |
| 16:41.00 | Dundreary | rahul: is the server at iitm working for you? |
| 16:41.02 | norbert_ | ren:/home/norbert# chown -R norbert.norbert .* |
| 16:41.02 | norbert_ | ren:/home/norbert# ls -l /|grep proc |
| 16:41.02 | norbert_ | dr-xr-xr-x 120 root root 0 2008-07-08 13:07 proc |
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| 16:41.19 | jelly | norbert_: don't be daft :-P |
| 16:41.23 | rahul | Dundreary: huh? |
| 16:41.26 | wols | jelly: too late |
| 16:41.29 | docmax | debian:~$ chown user:user -R .* |
| 16:41.34 | rahul | Dundreary: madras? |
| 16:41.34 | lindenle | wols: any idea about my cdrom? |
| 16:41.39 | docmax | this command messed up my whole system |
| 16:41.41 | Dundreary | rahul: yeah |
| 16:41.47 | wols | lindenle: you sure it's not a usb device? |
| 16:41.50 | rahul | I don't remember connecting to a server in madras in the past year, in general... |
| 16:41.54 | lindenle | wols: the usb on the base station is workin |
| 16:41.59 | wols | docmax: only if ran as root |
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| 16:42.05 | jelly | docmax: "echo $HOME" |
| 16:42.06 | docmax | it went outsite the home dir |
| 16:42.09 | wols | lindenle: that's not what I asked |
| 16:42.10 | lindenle | wols: no what is the usb cdrom module? |
| 16:42.13 | norbert_ | docmax: no, not even if ran as root |
| 16:42.19 | kalila | how do I tell the current block size of an ext3 volume? |
| 16:42.20 | Dundreary | rahul: it was working fine last week but suddenly something seems to have happened |
| 16:42.21 | norbert_ | wols: no, that's not true |
| 16:42.21 | wols | lindenle: first check via lsusb |
| 16:42.27 | rahul | Dundreary: I dunno |
| 16:42.27 | ezguy | wols: vfat |
| 16:42.28 | wols | norbert_: it is |
| 16:42.30 | rahul | I use MIT's |
| 16:42.36 | rahul | if you're talking about a debian mirror |
| 16:42.38 | Dundreary | rahul: oh..ok |
| 16:42.42 | norbert_ | wols: I just did that as root (see above) and it doesn't mess up anything |
| 16:42.49 | lindenle | wols: only root hubs |
| 16:42.49 | jelly | norbert_: yes. If it ran as root, HOME would have been /root, and .* would have matched .. of /root ... guess which directory that is! |
| 16:42.57 | docmax | debian:~$ chown user:user -R .* <<< this command chowned all files and folder also OUTSIDE the dir... EXPLAINATION?? |
| 16:43.07 | Dundreary | rahul: that is still a secondary mirror |
| 16:43.07 | wols | norbert_: cause it's fucking /proc |
| 16:43.12 | jelly | docmax: .* matches ".." |
| 16:43.13 | ezguy | wols: it's a 1.4mb dos boot image. |
| 16:43.14 | rahul | Dundreary: ok... and? |
| 16:43.17 | norbert_ | drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2008-07-08 17:51 root |
| 16:43.17 | norbert_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-10 23:31 sbin |
| 16:43.20 | norbert_ | nothing has changed |
| 16:43.21 | rahul | jelly: except in zsh! :D |
| 16:43.25 | norbert_ | it's all still root guys |
| 16:43.29 | jelly | rahul: fuck you |
| 16:43.30 | norbert_ | has nothing to do with being proc |
| 16:43.35 | Dundreary | rahul: well, thought primary ones work better. |
| 16:43.44 | rahul | refrains from making a comment about jelly not being hard enough |
| 16:43.44 | ezguy | wols: it's possible to increase the size? |
| 16:43.50 | docmax | jelly, so recursion of ".." is ALL .. right??? |
| 16:44.08 | jelly | docmax: no. What user did you run that command as? |
| 16:44.08 | rahul | Dundreary: not really. there is only one, and it's designed only for pushing to the mirrors |
| 16:44.19 | wols | norbert_: do it as root on a regular file. do it as user on a regular file |
| 16:44.27 | docmax | jelly, ROOT |
| 16:44.36 | kalila | how do I tell the current block size of an ext3 volume? |
| 16:44.44 | rahul | docmax: -R will, in a properly written app, not look at . or .. |
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| 16:44.59 | rahul | kalila: one easy way is touch and ls -l |
| 16:45.04 | norbert_ | rahul: exactly |
| 16:45.14 | norbert_ | and it doesn't matter whether or not you're root |
| 16:45.18 | kalila | rahul: clever ... |
| 16:45.19 | rahul | docmax: however, in bash, .* looks at . and .. |
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| 16:46.09 | norbert_ | and since bash uses proper applications and is an application itself, it won't look at . and .. either |
| 16:46.14 | norbert_ | unless you use something like ls -a |
| 16:46.22 | Dundreary | rahul: ok |
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| 16:46.40 | norbert_ | so, chown -R user.user .* will only change the hidden files and directories in the current directory structure |
| 16:46.45 | rahul | norbert_: bash doesn't have a recursive option |
| 16:46.48 | norbert_ | and nothing that is in .. |
| 16:46.50 | jelly | docmax: root's home directory is "/root". .. in /root points to "/" directory. So you effectively made chown -R ... / |
| 16:46.53 | rahul | norbert_: zsh, does, however... wild inferiors |
| 16:47.13 | norbert_ | don't know about zsh |
| 16:47.14 | rahul | norbert_: wrong. it will apply to .. |
| 16:47.21 | norbert_ | no, it won't |
| 16:47.25 | rahul | norbert_: in bash, that is. in zsh, it will not |
| 16:47.33 | norbert_ | in bash it won't either |
| 16:47.34 | jelly | norbert_: echo .* |
| 16:47.35 | rahul | norbert_: echo .*, notice that .. is in that list |
| 16:47.40 | norbert_ | echo and ls, yes |
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| 16:47.43 | norbert_ | but chown, no |
| 16:47.52 | rahul | norbert_: chown is still being run by bash |
| 16:47.59 | norbert_ | and? |
| 16:48.04 | rahul | norbert_: globbing does not depend on the command |
| 16:48.12 | rahul | norbert_: you're making no sense |
| 16:48.31 | chops | rahul: He's making sense, he just though that the command expands wildcards as it does in DOS |
| 16:48.35 | docmax | jelly, this must be the explaination |
| 16:48.39 | jelly | norbert_: chown doesn't know or care about the "*", glob expansion is done by the shell and then all the expanded arguments are passed to the command |
| 16:48.39 | chops | rahul: Making sense but incorrect :-) |
| 16:48.45 | norbert_ | ren:/home/norbert# chown -R norbert.norbert .* |
| 16:48.45 | norbert_ | ren:/home/norbert# ls -l /|grep sbin |
| 16:48.45 | norbert_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-10 23:31 sbin |
| 16:48.49 | norbert_ | what more than that do you want? |
| 16:49.02 | jelly | norbert_: now run that after "cd /root" |
| 16:49.02 | norbert_ | I'm doing EXACTLY what we describe |
| 16:49.08 | jelly | norbert_: you're not. |
| 16:49.18 | norbert_ | norbert_> so, chown -R user.user .* will only change the hidden files and directories in the current directory structure |
| 16:49.18 | chops | norbert_: You're changing all of /home, not all of / |
| 16:49.19 | docmax | but the problem is, only root can change from owner root to user |
| 16:49.21 | norbert_ | that's what I'm saing |
| 16:49.23 | rahul | chops: oh, he thinks he's in #dos :) |
| 16:49.24 | norbert_ | +y |
| 16:49.26 | jelly | norbert_: (and don't really do that when you're in /root, please :-) |
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| 16:49.41 | norbert_ | I won't |
| 16:49.43 | jelly | norbert_: ls -ld /home |
| 16:49.46 | norbert_ | because that's not what he did |
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| 16:50.03 | jelly | norbert_: he did it in ~. he was root. |
| 16:50.09 | norbert_ | <wols> norbert_: cause it's fucking /proc |
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| 16:50.16 | norbert_ | so comments like that are just bullshit |
| 16:50.29 | chops | norbert_: .* from /home/norbert expands to . and .. (among other things). .. from /home/norbert is /home. That command is not going to affect /. |
| 16:50.33 | norbert_ | <rahul> norbert_: echo .*, notice that .. is in that list |
| 16:50.35 | norbert_ | so is that |
| 16:50.36 | rahul | uh, /proc is a different FS |
| 16:50.38 | jelly | norbert_: they're not; you didn't replicate the environment correctly |
| 16:50.51 | rahul | norbert_: you're confusing permissions with commands |
| 16:51.08 | rahul | that, too |
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| 16:51.52 | jelly | norbert_: interpretation of * and ? is done by the calling shell in most (all?) unix shells. Sane apps won't parse "*" by themselves. |
| 16:53.39 | jelly | rahul: and I won't confuse the user by mentioning silly exceptions like zip or unzip, which, coming from DOS, really do parse "*" by themselves :-( |
| 16:53.44 | johndoevodka | how do hell do i install firefox( iceweasel ) 3 on debian lenny ? |
| 16:53.57 | chops | !tell johndoevodka about ff3 |
| 16:54.04 | norbert_ | docmax: can you give me the output of # df|grep / |
| 16:54.05 | rahul | jelly: heh... |
| 16:54.14 | jelly | rahul: zsh begins with z so iz obviouzly a silly exception app |
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| 16:54.17 | koolhead17 | rahul: hey |
| 16:54.21 | rahul | johndoevodka: you need to get it from unstable... |
| 16:54.24 | chops | !tell johndoevodka about firefox 3 etch |
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| 16:54.26 | johndoevodka | chops: im having problems with that |
| 16:54.28 | rahul | zelly |
| 16:54.35 | chops | johndoevodka: What are your problems? |
| 16:54.44 | chops | jelly: I like zsh |
| 16:54.58 | SamuraiDio | suggestion... should i use utf-8 or iso-8859-1 as my default charset (brazil here)? |
| 16:55.04 | jelly | chops: I like ponies! |
| 16:55.06 | johndoevodka | chops: i added what i think is a sid repository to sources, then did aptitude -t unstable install iceweasel |
| 16:55.07 | norbert_ | (docmax: df reports the file system usage, it won't break anything) |
| 16:55.10 | chops | SamuraiDio: utf-8 |
| 16:55.21 | chops | jelly: I like ponies too. Everyone does. |
| 16:55.22 | rdz | is there a way to get actual cpu usage only as number? like a stripped-down top? |
| 16:55.27 | johndoevodka | chops: which installed version 2.0.14 |
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| 16:55.44 | chops | johndoevodka: Can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 16:55.55 | jelly | !hi5 chops |
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| 16:56.18 | jelly | !highfive chops |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | gives chops a big high-five |
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| 16:56.42 | johndoevodka | chops: http://rafb.net/p/Mwdj7531.html |
| 16:56.53 | Nyle | what? |
| 16:56.56 | Nyle | who likes ponies? |
| 16:57.02 | Nyle | I hate ponies |
| 16:57.04 | graytron | rdz: $ top -b -n 1 | head -3 | tail -1 |
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| 16:57.12 | Nyle | I hate anyone who ever had a pony when growing up |
| 16:57.17 | abrotman | really? |
| 16:57.20 | Nyle | </sienfeld> |
| 16:57.22 | Nyle | :D |
| 16:57.26 | abrotman | moron |
| 16:57.28 | chops | johndoevodka: (a) You should use ftp.<cc>.debian.org, not ftp.debian.org |
| 16:57.40 | jelly | !nopony Nyle |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | Nyle: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 16:57.44 | Nyle | heh |
| 16:57.51 | chops | johndoevodka: (b) Can you pastebin the output of 'aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel'? |
| 16:57.53 | norbert_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20060623043423/http://images.slashdot.org/slashtitle-fools.gif |
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| 16:58.05 | norbert_ | hehe, "not yours" :P |
| 16:58.05 | cr3_ | hi |
| 16:58.13 | chops | johndoevodka: (Or with -t unstable if you're using pinning... but if you're using pinning, I would suspect that pinning is the problem) |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | wanna bet he's not pinning ? |
| 16:58.37 | rdz | graytron, doesn't work here.. i get one whole line of stuff |
| 16:58.43 | johndoevodka | chops: i forgot the aptitude update after changing the sources, that could be the problem |
| 16:58.46 | cr3_ | what's booting flag? a partition with GRUB on it is supposed to have booting flag? |
| 16:58.49 | rdz | graytron, however, where does top get the information from? |
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| 16:58.55 | rdz | can i just ask some proc file? |
| 16:58.57 | chops | johndoevodka: That'll certainly cause a problem, yes |
| 16:59.09 | Nyle | cr3_, booting flag? you mean active or inactive partition? |
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| 16:59.38 | telemachus | hey all |
| 16:59.52 | norbert_ | hi telemachus |
| 17:00.04 | chops | rdz: Probably. You could look at an strace of uptime or w to get some clues. |
| 17:00.09 | telemachus | when you enter export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 does it actually change the version of gcc used or does it merely change the version reported? |
| 17:00.17 | wols | cr3_: only windows bootloaders care about the boot flag. linux ones ignore it. it's useless |
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| 17:00.28 | cr3_ | ok thx |
| 17:00.34 | telemachus | I ask because when I do that and then build a kernel, the resulting /proc/version still reports the symlinked, default gcc |
| 17:00.34 | graytron | rdz: no idea |
| 17:00.34 | Dundreary | norbert_: is there any utility to read the archives of slashdot? |
| 17:00.37 | telemachus | which I find odd |
| 17:00.39 | wols | telemachus: if the makefile honors CC it uses the specified compiler version |
| 17:00.50 | norbert_ | Dundreary: what do you mean? |
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| 17:00.57 | cr3_ | i'm going to ask a stupid question: is it possible to damage a notebook when its in non horizontal position? i mean like 80 degrees for example |
| 17:00.57 | telemachus | wols: right, and the Makefile for the kernel does seem to honor CC |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | telemachus: your make file may spawn shells that don't inherit that |
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| 17:01.10 | cr3_ | is it possible to damage spinning cd, or hdd? |
| 17:01.13 | wols | telemachus: if you do change CC; use export |
| 17:01.14 | Dundreary | norbert_: I mean, the old and older posts in slashdot |
| 17:01.18 | wols | cr3_: yes |
| 17:01.25 | norbert_ | Dundreary: aren't they still on-line? |
| 17:01.27 | wols | kinda hard with CD, easy with hdd |
| 17:01.33 | telemachus | abrotman: or is it possible that /proc/version gets its info some other way? |
| 17:01.37 | cr3_ | and PC = the same? |
| 17:01.48 | abrotman | telemachus: no idea .. maybe ask ##kernel ? |
| 17:01.55 | wols | cr3_: PC? |
| 17:01.56 | johndoevodka | chops: ff3 working, thanks :) |
| 17:01.58 | telemachus | here's another way around on the same question: is it possible to check what version of gcc build a .deb? |
| 17:02.01 | Dundreary | norbert_: they are..I was just curious if there is any other way than browsing to access the archives |
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| 17:02.14 | telemachus | abrotman: yeah, I'm going to try |
| 17:02.17 | wols | telemachus: kernel yes, others not so much |
| 17:02.24 | telemachus | this came up in Debian, so I figured I woudl try here |
| 17:02.34 | telemachus | s/woudl/would/ |
| 17:02.41 | telemachus | wols: yeah, that's what I thought |
| 17:02.43 | graytron | rdz: /proc probably |
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| 17:02.47 | norbert_ | Dundreary: well, since they are still on-line, I guess you could use the Google cache if you really wanted to, or use archive.org |
| 17:02.56 | telemachus | but when I build a kernel and then check /proc/version, the info is wrong |
| 17:03.01 | Dundreary | norbert_: oh..ok |
| 17:03.07 | randall | can you install from a debian lenny live cd |
| 17:03.16 | telemachus | or rather, it always says gcc-4.3, even if I exported gcc-4.2 or gcc-4.1 |
| 17:03.16 | wols | telemachus: how exactly did you build? |
| 17:03.17 | dryrot | im going to the Reiser sentencing tomorrow |
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| 17:03.33 | norbert_ | dryrot: interesting |
| 17:03.36 | wols | randall: there is currently no debian live cd (only a beta and such). use etch to install |
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| 17:03.39 | telemachus | wols: first, I used fakeroot; then thinking that was the problem I did the whole thing as root |
| 17:03.48 | telemachus | export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 |
| 17:03.50 | sghd | How can I make Debian do "ifup" earlier? |
| 17:03.52 | telemachus | echo $CC |
| 17:03.53 | norbert_ | dryrot: what do you think he'll get, 15 years or less/more? |
| 17:03.54 | telemachus | just in case |
| 17:03.58 | randall | well im using a debian lenny live cd now |
| 17:03.59 | telemachus | then make-kpkg etc. |
| 17:04.26 | jelly | dryrot, norbert_: #debian-offtopic |
| 17:05.02 | norbert_ | jelly: yeah, good point |
| 17:05.33 | telemachus | wols: I wonder if it has to do with the way make-kpkg handles things? |
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| 17:14.06 | nse | Hello everybody. How to know which port a specific program is using in my connection? |
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| 17:15.11 | Bushmills | nse: try netstat -plunt |
| 17:15.31 | Delph | Hi; I'm wondering if there's a debian widget which rebuilds packages when new versions are available; but patches them with a local patch each time. |
| 17:15.54 | wols | telemachus: you can change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink and then change it back after running makg-kpkg |
| 17:16.08 | Bushmills | or -paunt |
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| 17:16.19 | telemachus | wols: yeah, I had thought of that |
| 17:16.22 | nse | Bushmills: it will be enough if the column PID/Program name were not filled with -'s |
| 17:16.25 | chops | Delph: There's always submitting the patch to the maintainer as an option :-) |
| 17:16.35 | telemachus | wols: I suppose it just bugs me that the information in /proc/version seems wrong |
| 17:16.45 | telemachus | I had always used that as a test, so it should be right |
| 17:16.45 | abrotman | Delph: uh .. long time no see? |
| 17:17.02 | chops | telemachus: Why do you assume that the information is wrong? |
| 17:17.07 | Delph | abrotman: er, hi! |
| 17:17.24 | telemachus | chops: because I exported CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 |
| 17:17.29 | telemachus | and I have gcc-4.2 |
| 17:17.35 | telemachus | but it's reporting gcc-4.3 |
| 17:17.41 | telemachus | which is the system's default symlink |
| 17:17.46 | Delph | chops: that's overrated :) |
| 17:17.58 | Delph | anyhow, in the spirit of foss, i want to keep it mine mine mine |
| 17:18.03 | chops | telemachus: I would assume that make-kpkg doesn't respect CC before I would assume that /proc/version takes special pains to determine a false gcc version to report |
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| 17:18.11 | Delph | (that and it's one of those no-one else would find it useful patches) |
| 17:18.17 | chops | telemachus: What's wrong with changing the symlink, again? |
| 17:18.26 | abrotman | Delph: depending on the VCS the maintainer uses .. you could potentially merge his tree into yours and build ? |
| 17:18.29 | telemachus | chops: fair enough - nothing is wrong with it per se |
| 17:18.47 | telemachus | but I was giving advice to someone on a forum who is barely comfortable with export etc. |
| 17:18.52 | chops | telemachus: It may be worth a wishlist bug against kernel-package asking for it to respect CC, if there isn't one already |
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| 17:18.55 | telemachus | so I was looking for the simplest change |
| 17:19.05 | Delph | abrotman: i suppose so; i was looking for something that would apply the equivalent of the debian/patches that some things have, then rebuild |
| 17:19.12 | telemachus | chops: yeah, I'm thinking of that as well |
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| 17:19.18 | rob[xbx] | hi how to open azt file extension? |
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| 17:19.39 | telemachus | I wonder if the result would differ if I did the export command as part of the make-kpkg command |
| 17:19.46 | telemachus | rather than earlier |
| 17:19.56 | Bushmills | rob[xbx]: hexdump file.azt |
| 17:20.03 | infinitycircuit | Delph: you could write a cron job that would check for updates and then run a script that fetches the .dsc with dget, applies the patch, and then builds the package |
| 17:20.38 | rob[xbx] | Bushmills: thanks man :) |
| 17:20.43 | infinitycircuit | or do you mean for new versions of packages that aren't in the repos yet? |
| 17:20.46 | infinitycircuit | i think i misunderstood you |
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| 17:25.02 | MrBrush | what is the tarswitch again to create a .tarball archive? |
| 17:25.06 | MrBrush | tar -czp or so? |
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| 17:26.16 | Bushmills | !tell MrBrush about man |
| 17:26.48 | norbert_ | MrBrush: tar -zcvf file.tar.gz dir/ |
| 17:26.56 | Dundreary | MrBrush: heard about --help? |
| 17:27.17 | telemachus | someone at #kernel pointed out that I hadn't read the fucking manual very well |
| 17:27.38 | telemachus | MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.2" make-kpkg |
| 17:27.40 | telemachus | sighs |
| 17:27.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:27.47 | telemachus | easy as pie |
| 17:27.57 | telemachus | if only I would READ a bit more carefully |
| 17:27.59 | telemachus | thanks all |
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| 17:30.58 | Multiply | Putting &/var/logs/something& after a command, will force it to log every output there, right? |
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| 17:32.12 | Delph | infinitycircuit: yeah, that's what seems to be next on the list of things to do |
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| 17:32.56 | Delph | infinitycircuit: a cronjob that pulls the latest source package, patches, builds to a local repo for installation as normal with apt-get |
| 17:33.09 | Delph | however i was looking for Someone Else to have written it for me, save the work. |
| 17:33.16 | Dundreary | norbert_: hey..what does one do when encountered with this:The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 17:33.27 | arisv | well, that's my problem: http://pastebin.com/m753fbc29 (any ideas?) |
| 17:33.47 | abrotman | Delph: if you automate the git checkout or whatever .. why can't it merge on the fly? and then rebuild? |
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| 17:33.52 | norbert_ | Dundreary: try running this first: # apt-get update |
| 17:34.08 | Dundreary | norbert_: I did. |
| 17:34.30 | Dundreary | norbert_: Hit ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 17:34.30 | Dundreary | Hit ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Release |
| 17:34.32 | Dundreary | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 17:34.36 | slayton | is it possible to include supplementary script files in debs? |
| 17:34.53 | infinitycircuit | arisv: mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.old && update-grub |
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| 17:35.09 | slayton | i would like to write several simple scripts to be invoked by postinst to keep everything as readable and simple as possible |
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| 17:35.35 | Delph | abrotman: yeah, but that only gets me the latest upstream version, patched. I wants my debian patches as wlel. |
| 17:35.47 | Delph | abrotman: unless i'm missing something |
| 17:35.50 | abrotman | Delph: merge trees? |
| 17:36.17 | Dundreary | norbert_: I think DSL is really damn small |
| 17:36.21 | arisv | infinitycircuit: http://pastebin.com/m4b0b2d66 (again, this shit) |
| 17:36.25 | Delph | abrotman: equally, this would only work for the one package i custom build it for |
| 17:36.28 | norbert_ | Dundreary: probably :) |
| 17:36.28 | arisv | other ideas? |
| 17:36.31 | norbert_ | Dundreary: try running: apt-get -f install |
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| 17:36.44 | Dundreary | norbert_: did that too |
| 17:36.51 | Delph | abrotman: but if i could get something to patch a debian source install, it starts working for all debian packages coming out of all (and no!) source control. |
| 17:36.53 | abrotman | Delph: maybe send an email to the debian-devel mailing list |
| 17:36.54 | norbert_ | Dundreary: what are you trying to install? |
| 17:37.12 | Dundreary | norbert_: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 54 not upgraded. |
| 17:37.14 | Delph | that should say "patch a debian source *then* install" |
| 17:37.16 | abrotman | Delph: i'm sure you'd get way more responses than you want :) |
| 17:37.22 | Delph | abrotman: yeah |
| 17:37.29 | Dundreary | norbert_: sudo apt-get install caca-utils |
| 17:37.35 | norbert_ | Dundreary: I mean, what gives you the unmet dependencies error |
| 17:38.23 | et | hmm |
| 17:38.25 | et | "BIND 8 (that is, the bind package) will be removed from the etch |
| 17:38.28 | et | distribution in a future point release." |
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| 17:38.38 | et | isn't etch stable...? |
| 17:38.50 | arisv | infinitycircuit: no way out? :S |
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| 17:39.04 | Dundreary | norbert_: do I need to add lenny to overcome this problem? |
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| 17:39.44 | Bushmills | et, "properties inherent to the DNS protocol lead to practical DNS cache poisoning attacks.", i suppose that is consistent with security updates |
| 17:40.08 | Bushmills | et, because "The BIND 8 legacy code base could not be updated to include the recommended countermeasure" |
| 17:40.10 | slayton | anybody know if you can include extra files in a deb that aren't part of the source? |
| 17:40.18 | norbert_ | Dundreary: I don't know, I'd probably install the thing from source |
| 17:40.31 | wols | Dundreary: WHAT package has unment dependencies? full output in a pastebin please |
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| 17:40.46 | Dundreary | wols: on my way..just a min |
| 17:41.01 | abrotman | et: yes, but if you read it .. it can't be fixed |
| 17:41.09 | wols | Dundreary: also the output of "apt-cache policy <broken package>" |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | et: TBH .. unless you've got a really good reason, you shouldn't be running bind8 anyways |
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| 17:41.29 | Tecumseh | hi there, I have a question about a dualboot configuration with kubuntu and debian |
| 17:41.33 | xingu | abrotman: performance under load? ;) |
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| 17:41.49 | wols | !tell Tecumseh about ask |
| 17:41.49 | abrotman | xingu: i'll take that over the security nightmare of bind8 :) |
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| 17:42.08 | Tecumseh | How can I share the same homedir with equal username's (also same uid and gui) but keeping the config files seperate? |
| 17:43.00 | Tecumseh | wols: you are correct, the enter was pressed a bit early |
| 17:43.05 | wols | Tecumseh: first user in debian is 1000 |
| 17:43.15 | grzybowski | hi, could someone please help me with whats the difference between malta / colbat / sb1-bcm91250a / sb1a-bcm91480b for mipsel ? (i want to run over a mips32 4kc, which one should I use?) |
| 17:43.18 | xingu | et: http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/stoprunningbind8.txt <-- alternatively you can carry on ignoring what the vendor thinks. |
| 17:43.19 | Dundreary | wols: http://pastebin.com/m3cb6ffbb |
| 17:43.27 | Bushmills | Tecumseh: /home on its own partition? |
| 17:43.28 | wols | Tecumseh: make sure kubuntu uses the same UID for your user |
| 17:44.04 | wols | !info http://pastebin.com/m3cb6ffbb |
| 17:44.11 | wols | !info libimlib2 etch |
| 17:44.22 | Tecumseh | as said uid and gui are the same. Had a bit of trouble with some programs configuration files. Can I relocate them to a subfolder somehow? |
| 17:44.36 | dpkg | libimlib2: (powerful image loading and rendering library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.3.0.0debian1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 200 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 17:45.18 | wols | Dundreary: there it is |
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| 17:45.29 | Dundreary | wols: I don't get it |
| 17:45.36 | wols | Tecumseh: not if you want to use the same homedir for both |
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| 17:46.37 | Tecumseh | ok, then I'll have to leave /home in the root partition and symlink each subdir on the useraccount's homefolder to that location |
| 17:47.10 | Dundreary | wols: I don't get the point. what is the solution? |
| 17:47.21 | Bushmills | ..unless you move those config files to a different dir or partition, symlink to them from your home, and mount or mount --bind the partition or dir into the location where the symlinks point to. |
| 17:47.30 | wols | Dundreary: install the missing lib. it IS in etch |
| 17:48.00 | xingu | abrotman: actually I'll have to stop beating them up over that, from the looks of things 9.4.mumble isn't doing too badly at all : http://new.isc.org/proj/dnsperf/OStest.html |
| 17:48.07 | et | xingu: i don't run bind8, i was just wondering |
| 17:48.10 | norbert_ | wols: so, why didn't apt-get -f install help him out? |
| 17:48.49 | wols | his mirror lacks the package I guess. but it IS in debian |
| 17:48.57 | norbert_ | ok |
| 17:48.58 | abrotman | xingu: how do you think they determine "the breaking point" ? |
| 17:49.00 | Dundreary | damn..it gave another set of dependencies |
| 17:49.01 | Tecumseh | Bushmills: Can you clarify that a bit more, it seems that you have the method I'm thinking of but now I'll have to get it to a practical situation |
| 17:49.04 | Dundreary | wols: http://pastebin.com/d4f45931c |
| 17:49.22 | wols | Dundreary: delete your package cache and update again |
| 17:49.23 | xingu | abrotman: pretty easy with dns; past the breaking point, queries get ignored or the answer arrives after timeout |
| 17:49.24 | slayton | ???? |
| 17:49.41 | Bushmills | Tecumseh: what part isn't clear to you? |
| 17:49.51 | Dundreary | wols: you mean, apt-get clean all? |
| 17:50.15 | wols | Dundreary: no |
| 17:50.16 | abrotman | xingu: i thought maybe the server went up in flames .. or went on strike or something |
| 17:50.22 | wols | I mean delete you packages cache |
| 17:50.28 | xingu | abrotman: ie, you have some bounded max servicing rate - above that rate, incompletions scale linearly |
| 17:50.32 | Tecumseh | I'm reading your line over and over, it's not getting completely through yet |
| 17:50.40 | Dundreary | wols: how do I do that? |
| 17:50.48 | slayton | anybody here know anything about packaging? |
| 17:50.52 | wols | Dundreary: by deleting the files |
| 17:51.00 | Dundreary | you mean, manually? |
| 17:51.05 | wols | and running aptitude update again, if it still doesn't work, choose another mirror |
| 17:51.09 | wols | yes manually |
| 17:51.20 | xingu | abrotman: or in bind 9.pre-mumble's case, logarithmically :) |
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| 17:51.29 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:51.31 | wols | Dundreary: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 17:51.38 | Dundreary | wols: oh cool |
| 17:51.44 | Dundreary | wols: will do that |
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| 17:52.06 | Tecumseh | Bushmills: Would it mean that I have to create a symlink for each config file or directory? |
| 17:52.20 | Dundreary | wols: thought my mirrow was working fine because it is standard one |
| 17:52.21 | xingu | abrotman: fwiw I've only ever tested (nominum's) cns to 36k queries/s - single test host, and _it_ ran out of legs... |
| 17:52.26 | Dundreary | wols: mirror* |
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| 17:52.42 | abrotman | xingu: bind9 wins! |
| 17:52.43 | Delph | slayton: probably not; have you read the debian package maintainers guide thingy watsit? |
| 17:52.44 | Bushmills | Tecumseh: no, only for those you want to switch between |
| 17:52.56 | wols | Dundreary: when you mis libxext6 there is nothing working there |
| 17:53.00 | xingu | abrotman: ;) |
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| 17:53.26 | Bushmills | the others can remain in your /home/yourloginname, and are use by both boots |
| 17:53.31 | Dundreary | wols: how can I miss libxext6? |
| 17:53.34 | Tecumseh | Bushmills: That would be all but a few, had a bit of trouble because of version conflicts. For instance kde 3.5.7 vs 3.5.9 |
| 17:53.37 | slayton | Delph... I've read it several times |
| 17:53.42 | Dundreary | wols: I mean, it couldn't be my fault right? |
| 17:54.04 | wols | Dundreary: you can't. that's the point |
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| 17:54.21 | Dundreary | wols: do I need to delete all files in that path? |
| 17:54.32 | Dundreary | wols: I mean in /var/lib/apt/list? |
| 17:54.41 | wols | there is no /var/lib/apt/list |
| 17:54.44 | Bushmills | Tecumseh: one way the other, you must let your system know which files must be identical for both, and which ones are to be switched - the system can't guess that for you. |
| 17:54.46 | Dundreary | wols: there are four files here |
| 17:55.10 | Dundreary | wols: I mean.. /var/lib/apt/list/ |
| 17:55.29 | Tecumseh | Bushmills: but that method could also work the other way around, mount -bind all documents and documentfolders to /home and leave all configfiles in the root homefolder |
| 17:55.32 | wols | there is no /var/lib/apt/list |
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| 17:55.55 | Bushmills | if it's too much effort to symlink them, use seperated home dirs for each distrib, and link to the common files only |
| 17:55.57 | Dundreary | wols: that's what you told me to delete right? |
| 17:55.59 | wols | Bushmills: that "solution" is eeewwwww.... /me runs away in horror |
| 17:56.07 | wols | Dundreary: no |
| 17:56.13 | Dundreary | wols: then? |
| 17:56.18 | wols | Dundreary: read |
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| 17:57.12 | Dundreary | wols: hey..please, you have to type..I can't scroll up in this weechat :( |
| 17:57.22 | Dundreary | wols: don't mind |
| 17:57.25 | wols | I don't have to hand hold. good bye |
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| 17:58.10 | Bushmills | wols: i thought you were running away? |
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| 17:58.18 | samuel | hello all |
| 17:58.34 | infinitycircuit | this is probably a silly question but is there a place to set systemwide gcc options like CFLAGS and -j3? |
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| 17:58.41 | samuel | anyone know of "Open CL" that is supposed to be in the next version of Mac OS X (snow leopard)? what do you guys think of that and is there something similar for linux? |
| 17:58.45 | wols | Bushmills: from you |
| 17:58.48 | et | infinitycircuit: -j3 is a make option |
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| 17:58.58 | Dundreary | wols: ok..it is /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 17:59.11 | Dundreary | wols: pardon me Mr. Orthographer |
| 17:59.25 | Scalpax | Hey! ... How do I give myself (as a user) Mounting Rights for HDDs? |
| 17:59.40 | infinitycircuit | et: yes. make options too then |
| 17:59.50 | wols | Scalpax: man fstab. see option "user" |
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| 17:59.58 | Scalpax | thanks! |
| 18:00.02 | magyar_ | hi, need help with courier imap and pam session mkhomedir. |
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| 18:01.10 | Tecumseh | Bushmills and wols, thx I'll have something to tinker about anyway |
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| 18:02.10 | Nyle | rahul, ! |
| 18:02.21 | rahul | Nyle; ~ |
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| 18:03.59 | Dundreary | wols: screwed it up |
| 18:04.54 | Dundreary | wols: apt-get update |
| 18:04.55 | Dundreary | E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 18:04.55 | Dundreary | E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object |
| 18:05.13 | slidesinger | I need to install an ipsec solution on my debian firewall, what is the best choice for first time use? |
| 18:05.25 | deego | the latest dsa says: "Install a local BIND 9 resoler" .. is that the bind9-host package? |
| 18:05.57 | wols | Dundreary: partial is a directory |
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| 18:06.25 | wols | deego: DSAs list the pckages involved with exact names |
| 18:06.55 | Dundreary | wols: i think i accidentally deleted that too |
| 18:07.02 | Dundreary | damn |
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| 18:07.29 | deego | wols: pls. see DSA 1605-1 |
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| 18:07.50 | deego | As I said, it suggests: "Install a local BIND 9 resoler on the host" |
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| 18:08.16 | wastro | hey I have a weird X/metacity problem: one of my windows disappeared (for pidgin) and doesn't reappear when I relaunch the application. I do however, see the window right before I logoff. Any ideas? |
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| 18:08.47 | dana_good | wastro: it's probably getting drawn offscreen |
| 18:08.49 | wols | deego: does not exist. latest DSA is 1602 |
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| 18:09.11 | wols | deego: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 18:09.14 | Robert | Hi. I've set up an encrypted /home with LUKS. Now I have another encrypted device, where the keyfile is stored on /home. Is there any clean way to make that mount automatically? Naively adding it to /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab results in an attempt to set it up before the keyfile becomes available. |
| 18:09.21 | Dundreary | wols: anyting I can do go get it back? |
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| 18:09.25 | wastro | that would make sense. any suggestions as to how to fix it? |
| 18:09.30 | simonrvn | [SECURITY] [DSA 1605-1] DNS vulnerability impact on the libc stub resolver |
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| 18:09.34 | simonrvn | from email |
| 18:09.37 | lindenle1 | anyone have an example of pam_ssh for kdm they can point me too? |
| 18:09.58 | wols | simonrvn: why doesn't sdo not have it? |
| 18:10.08 | simonrvn | [SECURITY] [DSA 1604-1] BIND 8 deprecation notice [SECURITY] [DSA 1603-1] New bind9 packages fix cache poisoning |
| 18:10.32 | simonrvn | shrugs |
| 18:10.38 | simonrvn | i get it via email |
| 18:10.53 | wols | found it on full disclosure but not on sdo :( |
| 18:11.08 | simonrvn | "to" |
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| 18:12.04 | simonrvn | too == also, to ~= at, on, etc. |
| 18:12.33 | sghd | Ok, stupid question here. I've enabled VESAFB in the kernel config, but it continues to boot with text-only console... |
| 18:13.11 | norbert_ | sghd: sincere questions are never stupid |
| 18:13.17 | simonrvn | um... what did you think would happen? |
| 18:13.53 | sghd | Well, I remember back in the days, that that would make the kernel boot with frambuffer, bit I might be wrong. |
| 18:14.13 | sghd | How do I get the penguins and higher resolution, then? |
| 18:14.16 | simonrvn | ok, just wondering. it should, yes. |
| 18:14.30 | simonrvn | the penguins is boot logo config |
| 18:14.37 | sghd | also enabled... |
| 18:14.45 | simonrvn | i'd consider using fbset |
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| 18:14.55 | simonrvn | you sure it's the right kernel? :) |
| 18:14.56 | tech13 | aptitude clean; aptitude update, gives me an error about "GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
| 18:14.57 | sghd | ok, how exactly? |
| 18:15.15 | simonrvn | man page is useful for that |
| 18:15.25 | sghd | man fbset? |
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| 18:15.33 | sghd | nah.. |
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| 18:15.59 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 18:16.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 18:16.22 | kenjy | guys now Im running to Xorg servers one in tty7 and one in tty8, I have two graphic cards and I wanna display them each in one monitor but I only can see one of them at the same time, when I press ctrl+alt+f7 I go to the first and when I when I press ctrl+alt+f8 I go to the second one, how can I display the both ath the same time? |
| 18:16.50 | valdyn | kenjy: you need to run only 1 Xorg |
| 18:16.54 | sghd | well, why doesnt the kernel boot with framebuffer output? |
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| 18:17.03 | valdyn | kenjy: 1 Xorg using 2 monitors. |
| 18:17.11 | sghd | i could install fbset, but that wont help boottime |
| 18:17.16 | valdyn | kenjy: you cant see 2 tty at once |
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| 18:17.33 | arisv | wols: finally, solved it. I just did a GRUB downgrade and everything worked smoothly. damned GRUB. |
| 18:17.39 | kenjy | valdyn: :( no way to do it? |
| 18:17.40 | simonrvn | you could play with the video= option |
| 18:17.52 | valdyn | kenjy: no way |
| 18:18.05 | simonrvn | e.g. video=vesafb(,other options here) |
| 18:18.12 | wols | arisv: what grub was it (with the error)? |
| 18:18.19 | valdyn | kenjy: im not sure why that bothers you |
| 18:18.35 | valdyn | kenjy: its a technical detail. You can do what you want though i think, whatever it is |
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| 18:18.37 | fantomas | Hi all |
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| 18:18.38 | arisv | wols: morning, with the kernel stuff prob, menu.lst, devica.map, bla bla bla.. do u remember me? |
| 18:18.41 | norbert_ | hi fantomas |
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| 18:19.06 | kenjy | valdyn: well if I start a normal sesion I get in with the both monitors in gnome, but the second graphic card froze all my sistem |
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| 18:19.36 | fantomas | I have problem with iptables. I can't create rule for marking packets due to error. I use the command: iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -i ppp100 -o eth0 -j MARK --set-mark 10 which raises error: ip_tables: MARK target: invalid size 16 != 8 in dmesg. |
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| 18:19.47 | fantomas | kernerl version: Linux deb08 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 18:19.51 | kenjy | valdyn: I wanna run two sessions in each monitor, one with fluxbox and the other one with gnome |
| 18:20.05 | fantomas | iptables: /sbin/iptables: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped |
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| 18:20.12 | fantomas | What all this means? |
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| 18:20.59 | fantomas | System: debian etch |
| 18:21.22 | wols | arisv: I do. and I asked you something |
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| 18:21.46 | wols | fantomas: you try to run 32bit iptables with a 64bit kernel |
| 18:21.59 | wols | fantomas: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 18:22.00 | valdyn | that should work |
| 18:22.04 | valdyn | i dont know for sure |
| 18:22.07 | wols | fantomas: how much RAM do you have? |
| 18:22.08 | valdyn | but it should |
| 18:22.18 | wols | valdyn: not necessarily in etch |
| 18:22.38 | fantomas | wols: 1Gb |
| 18:22.52 | wols | fantomas: use a -686 kernel |
| 18:23.20 | fantomas | wols: ok, thank you. I just wonder why other things works fine :) |
| 18:23.46 | wols | cause your kernel is 64bit and your userland 32bit. that doesn't mix for packages like iptables |
| 18:23.46 | kenjy | valdyn: I know this is not on debian but this guy run two gdm's in two monitors http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/450004221931 |
| 18:24.00 | kenjy | valdyn: he wanna disable that option and I wanna enable it :( |
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| 18:24.34 | arisv | wols: http://pastebin.com/m753fbc29 that was my problem |
| 18:24.41 | rathon | cunting hun |
| 18:24.47 | fantomas | wols: great thanks. Most usefull explanation. Gonna "downgrade" :) |
| 18:24.54 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:24.59 | rathon | cunting hun |
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| 18:25.22 | wols | arisv: I KNOW what your problem was. either answer my question or shut up please |
| 18:25.34 | rathon | cunting hun |
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| 18:25.40 | wols | rathon: do you have a debian support question? |
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| 18:26.01 | rathon | cunting hun |
| 18:26.06 | Nyle | how much crack did you smoke? |
| 18:26.08 | fantomas | wols: one more question. I have AMD64, should I use exactly -686 kernel or there is a 32-build for AMD64 Athlon? |
| 18:26.16 | rathon | cunting hun |
| 18:26.22 | wols | fantomas: you should use 686 |
| 18:26.22 | fantomas | rathon: stfu plz |
| 18:26.25 | Nyle | !ops rathon is being weird |
| 18:26.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: rathon is being weird |
| 18:26.40 | wols | !tell rathon about de |
| 18:27.09 | rathon | cunting hun |
| 18:27.10 | norbert_ | "The horror movie, The Exorcist, included the line: "Cunting hun" uttered by the character [...]" |
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| 18:27.20 | rathon | burke dennings |
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| 18:27.23 | norbert_ | apparently it's some kind of reference |
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| 18:27.42 | kenjy | guys how can I run two diferent sessions in two monitors with two graphic cards? |
| 18:28.09 | wols | kenjy: two xorg.conf files |
| 18:28.18 | norbert_ | <rathon> burke dennings |
| 18:28.28 | kenjy | wols: yes but I can't see the two at the same time |
| 18:28.32 | norbert_ | so it was a reference, or at least he knew about it :) |
| 18:28.41 | wols | kenjy: you can |
| 18:29.04 | kenjy | wols: If I press ctrl+alt+f7 I go to one and if I press ctrl+alt+f8 I go to the other, one monitor get black if I do the change |
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| 18:29.28 | JyZyXEL | ping: unknown host foobar |
| 18:29.34 | JyZyXEL | why is that happening? |
| 18:29.44 | JyZyXEL | all the other machines on my network can resolve to foobar |
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| 18:30.10 | wols | JyZyXEL: you have a fcuked up DNS setup/resolver |
| 18:30.21 | JyZyXEL | where can i see those? |
| 18:30.31 | JyZyXEL | current DNS server |
| 18:31.04 | simon1 | debtorrent-client has no torrents since upgrade to T-1.0.8; how come? |
| 18:31.08 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.38 | odla | what's the factoid to have dpkg tell me how to compress a directory into a tar.gz? |
| 18:32.54 | avu | man tar |
| 18:33.08 | avu | tar czf foo.tar.gz the/directo/ry |
| 18:33.10 | abrotman | hheh |
| 18:33.49 | JyZyXEL | wols is there somekind of DNS cache? |
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| 18:34.10 | JyZyXEL | i don't know if my gateway is running DNS server |
| 18:34.13 | wols | JyZyXEL: not really |
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| 18:34.35 | Dundreary | wols: hey..it seems to be the same problem in every mirror |
| 18:34.43 | JyZyXEL | maybe its just giving some name info with DHCP |
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| 18:34.55 | odla | sorry i lagged out |
| 18:35.02 | odla | can someone tell me the factoid again? |
| 18:35.06 | avu | 20:32 < avu> man tar |
| 18:35.06 | avu | 20:33 < avu> tar czf foo.tar.gz the/directo/ry |
| 18:35.15 | Dundreary | wols: I tried ftp.us.org/debian and later ftp.utexas.edu/pub/debian |
| 18:35.17 | wols | odla: there is no factoid |
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| 18:35.23 | odla | avu: thanks |
| 18:35.31 | odla | wols: there is ... someone told me it before to ask dpkg |
| 18:35.54 | JyZyXEL | hmm gateway is running dnsmasq |
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| 18:36.54 | arisv | oh wols sorry, I didn't read ur question corectlly, the latest in lenny, don't remember version exactly. |
| 18:36.57 | arisv | relax |
| 18:37.57 | JyZyXEL | shouldnt dnsmasq like somehow read the /etc/hosts |
| 18:38.00 | Sling | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 18:38.03 | Sling | whats up with that |
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| 18:38.31 | Sedrik | Hi, I'm trying to forcefully remove some broken packages using dpkg, but not having much luck. Basically I am trying to remove all of the python* stuff from apt since I built my own version from source. when I try: " sudo dpkg --remove --force-all python-docutils" I get "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 18:39.42 | humbolt | is there a way to add a disk to a running xen instance? |
| 18:39.44 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: a "pure" recursor is not required or even meant to. some do though, makeing them easier to use as "home network dns" |
| 18:40.06 | JyZyXEL | i don't understand why one of my machines isn't resolving |
| 18:40.32 | vladi_ | hi, anyone know how i can pass parameters to the bonding driver with it being compiled into the kernel and not as a module? |
| 18:40.34 | JyZyXEL | some computers seem to resolve foobar to correct address |
| 18:40.36 | JyZyXEL | some don't |
| 18:40.46 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: the "right" way would be - overkill for home net - to install an authorirative DNS and add a zone file for your home domain |
| 18:40.47 | JyZyXEL | they all use the same damn DNS server so this shouldn't be happening |
| 18:40.48 | humbolt | backported etch xen |
| 18:40.54 | enouf | JyZyXEL: if you can tell me why "kcalc" tries to read /etc/nsswitch.conf .. then you may have a chance |
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| 18:42.12 | randall | i was wondering how to make debian do automatic updates like at 3am when i have unlimited download |
| 18:42.14 | enouf | echo '2^64' | bc beats kcalc and every x related calc anyway |
| 18:42.19 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: use dig on each computer to check the dns server from each computer |
| 18:42.20 | Delph | enouf: isn't it just going to be the "k" of kcalc doing it? |
| 18:42.37 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: -> if dig works, then the dns server is fine |
| 18:42.44 | JyZyXEL | valdyn they all have my gateway |
| 18:42.49 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: i dont care |
| 18:42.54 | Delph | .oO( so it can lookup the live currency prices for the conversion plugin ) |
| 18:42.57 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: or check out pdnsd, similar to dnscache, but also reads and servers /etc/hosts. not that i say dnscache can't be configured to do so, but i don't know dnscache well enough to tell you how to |
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| 18:43.19 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: just try it, its useful to find your issue |
| 18:43.23 | enouf | Delph: it's s fucken calculator, some moron thought the k makes a difference? |
| 18:43.47 | Delph | enouf: ? I was referring to the habit of "desktop" variety applications being linked against everything under the sun |
| 18:43.59 | enouf | Delph: no shit, so was i |
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| 18:44.03 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: you can use the "host" command too instead |
| 18:44.19 | Delph | enouf: really? |
| 18:44.24 | Delph | ok |
| 18:44.27 | Delph | i missed that |
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| 18:44.28 | randall | i was wondering how to make debian do automatic updates like at 3am when i have unlimited download |
| 18:44.51 | JyZyXEL | hmmm |
| 18:45.00 | JyZyXEL | maybe its DHCP serving those DNS informations? |
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| 18:45.07 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: quit guessing |
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| 18:45.15 | scatterp | can any one help me with my sound ? |
| 18:45.21 | JyZyXEL | like all the custom ones i have |
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| 18:45.40 | vikasa | hello |
| 18:45.43 | scatterp | i followed dpkg advice and it didnt work out :( |
| 18:45.51 | vikasa | has anyone insalled latex on debian? |
| 18:46.00 | valdyn | !tell vikasa -about ask |
| 18:46.08 | valdyn | !tell scatterp -about ask |
| 18:46.19 | Bushmills | scatterp: wow, that's a *really* detailed problem description |
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| 18:46.35 | norbert_ | Bushmills: :D |
| 18:46.44 | Bushmills | scatterp: with that problem, i suppose the best course of action is to fix it |
| 18:46.49 | enouf | scatterp: you did the alsa checklist? or .. some other factoid |
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| 18:46.51 | DogBoy | lol |
| 18:46.53 | vikasa | sorry, on damn small linux |
| 18:46.56 | norbert_ | Bushmills: haha :) |
| 18:47.00 | valdyn | vikasa: wrong channel |
| 18:47.01 | simon1 | randall: use cron: aptitude update && aptitude --download-only --assume-yes upgrade |
| 18:47.05 | enouf | vikasa: go there |
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| 18:47.11 | scatterp | enouf, alsachecklist |
| 18:47.19 | scatterp | bushmills sorry for the lack of details |
| 18:47.21 | DogBoy | I just choked on my coffee Bushmills |
| 18:47.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.22 | vikasa | okay |
| 18:47.23 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 18:47.37 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 18:47.45 | JyZyXEL | i figured it out |
| 18:47.55 | scatterp | I have a problem with my sound I'm running Debian version 1.1 etch . when I try to do alsa checklist I get the following output "none" I expected it to make a noise |
| 18:47.56 | simon1 | where does debtorrent get its torrents from? |
| 18:48.04 | JyZyXEL | DHCPD gives my clients a DNS list when they require their IP-address |
| 18:48.11 | vikasa | actually, that seems to be dry channel with no activity |
| 18:48.22 | enouf | vikasa: which one? |
| 18:48.22 | randall | simon1 thanks |
| 18:48.32 | vikasa | #dsl |
| 18:48.34 | valdyn | scatterp: run "ls -ld /dev/dsp" and paste the output |
| 18:48.40 | enouf | vikasa: either way, we can't and don't support other distros |
| 18:48.49 | enouf | vikasa: try #damnsmalllinux |
| 18:48.53 | vikasa | okay |
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| 18:49.13 | enouf | dsl cold be for phones O_o |
| 18:49.17 | enouf | could |
| 18:49.27 | scatterp | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-07-08 21:11 /dev/dsp |
| 18:49.54 | valdyn | scatterp: ok, i assume that cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gives no output as you tried to describe above |
| 18:49.57 | enouf | or darn small lemures :-P |
| 18:50.00 | scatterp | yes |
| 18:50.11 | valdyn | scatterp: that means that your sound system is fine, but your volume settins or cabling is not. |
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| 18:50.27 | Bushmills | is going to sell his computer. |
| 18:50.37 | Bushmills | anyone in ireland who wants it? |
| 18:50.37 | valdyn | scatterp: 3rd probability is that you have actually more than 1 sound card |
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| 18:50.40 | enouf | haha |
| 18:50.51 | scatterp | valdyn, its a new laptop d630 so no cables sound works in windows |
| 18:51.01 | scatterp | valdyn, 1 sound card |
| 18:51.12 | enouf | scatterp: is the snd intel hda? |
| 18:51.14 | scatterp | valdyn, so that would make it a volume issue |
| 18:51.18 | scatterp | enouf, yes |
| 18:51.18 | valdyn | scatterp: paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" on a paste site |
| 18:51.55 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f2995fe3a |
| 18:52.02 | valdyn | scatterp: technically a winmodem is also a soundcard, which could confuse things and is why i asked for the paste |
| 18:52.15 | scatterp | valdyn, i have a winmodem |
| 18:52.18 | valdyn | scatterp: ok, 1 sound card -> volume settings issue |
| 18:52.36 | enouf | has a winmodem :-/ |
| 18:52.40 | scatterp | valdyn, ok how do we fix that volumes turned up |
| 18:52.49 | valdyn | scatterp: thats ok, but if you have one or not does not matter when theres no alsa driver for it loaded |
| 18:53.05 | valdyn | scatterp: run alsamixer and turn up volume |
| 18:53.08 | scatterp | valdyn, thats good its not loaded less confusion |
| 18:53.10 | valdyn | scatterp: and unmute too |
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| 18:53.52 | enouf | the MM == Muted - hit the 'm' button after using <- and -> |
| 18:54.05 | scatterp | ok |
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| 18:54.19 | scatterp | i dont see mm |
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| 18:54.37 | scatterp | i did cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 18:54.43 | scatterp | in a seprate terminal |
| 18:54.59 | scatterp | now i will copy the screen from alsamixer (it shows full volume) |
| 18:55.39 | valdyn | scatterp: check the vulume control slider / buttons on the laptop too |
| 18:55.40 | enouf | scatterp: hit TAB in alsamixer , but i don't think that |
| 18:55.46 | enouf | s the issue |
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| 18:56.12 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/m2ba125ba i am not sure if this come out right its unicode |
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| 18:56.34 | scatterp | enouf, the display changed to playback capture all |
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| 18:56.50 | enouf | i thought the snd_intel_hda in etch needed a) a newer kernel and/or b) newer alsa version |
| 18:57.05 | scatterp | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:57.09 | scatterp | thats my kernel |
| 18:57.16 | enouf | righto |
| 18:57.43 | scatterp | enouf, i upgraded my kernel and was told to downgrade as it was making my wifi disconnect for some unknown reason supposedly its a known bug |
| 18:57.53 | scatterp | where the card fails to associate to the ap |
| 18:58.07 | enouf | oh, yeah .. i recall you now .. heh |
| 18:59.05 | scatterp | so i need to update my alsa version ? |
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| 18:59.49 | scatterp | valdyn, the laptop has volume buttons instead of a slider i do not believe they are connected to linux i have pressed up and held it and pressed up repeatedly |
| 19:00.54 | enouf | scatterp: i don't know - wait for some others to follow up (you're in good hands) ... the only thing i would say is if all else fails - backports.org or testing -- where/how did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 19:01.07 | Sebby | i need pgtclsh and whit apt-cache search i can`t find it ,how can i get that pack ,i need it |
| 19:01.59 | scatterp | backports |
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| 19:03.43 | norbert_ | Sebby: it's not on backports.org, so you'll probably have to compile it |
| 19:03.44 | scatterp | what about this http://nemaris.multiservers.com/dell/latituded630.html |
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| 19:04.20 | enouf | scatterp: you might (though i can't say) only need a module parameter passed to the module in /etc/modprobe.d/sound .. |
| 19:04.55 | scatterp | i tryed adding a line to the top of that |
| 19:04.56 | scatterp | it didnt work |
| 19:05.00 | scatterp | error on line 1 |
| 19:05.14 | Sedrik | i'm having trouble removing a package with broken dependencies using apt/dpkg. I keep getting the error: "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1". Any tips on how to force the removal? It's blocking me installing other things. |
| 19:05.18 | norbert_ | Sebby: it's not part of a postgresql package by any chance? |
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| 19:06.00 | norbert_ | Sebby: like pgsql |
| 19:06.09 | enouf | scatterp: do your machine have the Sigmatel controller? |
| 19:06.16 | chops | Sedrik: What package? |
| 19:06.27 | enouf | does |
| 19:06.33 | scatterp | enouf, yes |
| 19:06.48 | enouf | scatterp: and added what line where? |
| 19:06.50 | Sedrik | chops: a couple python-* packages. python-docutils, python-egenix-mxdatetime, python-egenix-mxtools. |
| 19:07.05 | chops | Sedrik: That's a bug in the package; have you checked the BTS to see if a bug is filed? |
| 19:07.21 | wols | Sedrik: that is not the actual error |
| 19:07.39 | Sedrik | chops: I haven't checked. What's the URL? |
| 19:07.48 | Sedrik | wols: Any idea how i can see the real error? |
| 19:07.53 | chops | Sedrik: Also, can you pastebin the entire output of the aptitude operations that are not succeeding? |
| 19:07.59 | scatterp | enouf, i cant find the line i added |
| 19:08.00 | chops | !tell Sedrik about bts |
| 19:08.03 | scatterp | enouf, sorry i lost it |
| 19:08.04 | Sedrik | chops: sure, sec |
| 19:08.18 | norbert_ | Sebby: "pgtclsh and pgtksh are Tclsh and Wish for PostgreSQL, part of the normal distribution." |
| 19:08.25 | enouf | scatterp: well - where did you add it to? |
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| 19:09.02 | enouf | scatterp: did you follow the instructs about compiling in the "Audio / Sound " section of that URL ? |
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| 19:09.31 | norbert_ | Sebby: install postgres with ./configure --with-tcl |
| 19:09.49 | scatterp | enouf, i was going to try it do you think i should ? |
| 19:09.57 | enouf | scatterp: yep |
| 19:10.11 | Sedrik | chops: http://dpaste.com/61399/ |
| 19:10.22 | chops | norbert_: Installing a local build of a big package like postgres is generally not a good idea |
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| 19:11.01 | norbert_ | chops: why not? |
| 19:11.08 | norbert_ | chops: "local build"? |
| 19:11.19 | chops | norbert_: A local build, as opposed to a Debian-provided package |
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| 19:11.25 | wols | norbert_: it breaks the packaging system |
| 19:11.25 | norbert_ | chops: you mean, as opposed to an apt deb archive |
| 19:11.59 | chops | norbert_: Installing a 'make install' build as opposed to a .deb is a _terrible_ idea. I hadn't even considered that; I assumed you meant rebuilding a .deb with that option. |
| 19:12.13 | norbert_ | wols: okay, that's true; packages of Debian stable are so freaking old, I usually start building locally the first day |
| 19:12.28 | norbert_ | chops: _terrible_ even |
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| 19:12.35 | gladiatr | anyone have a moment to share any insights regarding vlan devices popping up with a _rename suffix? The only reference I've been able to find in the mailing lists has to do with some problem with udev, but I haven't found anything approximating a solution. |
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| 19:12.41 | Hygucmek | omg |
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| 19:12.55 | chops | norbert_: That's not a good idea. In the long run you'll wind up with insecure software installed and a confused package management system (and versions of files from random sources, in some cases). |
| 19:13.00 | Hygucmek | 830 people |
| 19:13.04 | Hygucmek | too hard |
| 19:13.07 | chops | norbert_: Ever considered using backports instead? |
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| 19:13.25 | odla | what would be the best way to resize an existing ext3? |
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| 19:13.32 | norbert_ | chops: it's not for me, someone here asked a question |
| 19:13.44 | chops | norbert_: Yes, and you advised him to compile postgres locally. |
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| 19:14.18 | norbert_ | chops: well, it's not like postgresql with --with-tcl is available at backports.org, or is it? |
| 19:14.20 | enouf | nothing wrong with compiling locally, but it's an art ;-) |
| 19:14.40 | norbert_ | yeah, compiling locally is pretty normal if you want to use Debian stable |
| 19:14.58 | enouf | nothing wrong with using debian sources |
| 19:15.14 | eject_ck | hi all |
| 19:15.32 | eject_ck | Is it possible get ruby 1.8.6 on etch ? |
| 19:15.34 | chops | norbert_: Normal for you. Please don't recommend it as a first solution to people in this channel. |
| 19:15.51 | rahul | norbert_: it's pretty normal if you don't want to use debian long-term |
| 19:15.55 | wols | eject_ck: check backports |
| 19:16.12 | eject_ck | wols, what you mean ? |
| 19:16.17 | gladiatr | no idea on the _rename vlan device name, huh? |
| 19:16.18 | norbert_ | eject_ck: backports.org |
| 19:16.19 | eject_ck | wols,I'm new in debian |
| 19:16.21 | eject_ck | thanks |
| 19:16.24 | wols | !tell eject_ck about backports |
| 19:16.36 | norbert_ | eject_ck: then download the .deb package and run: # dpkg -i <package>.deb |
| 19:16.57 | wols | norbert_: please stop giving wrong advice |
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| 19:17.06 | norbert_ | wols: what wrong now? |
| 19:17.06 | enouf | norbert_: there's no need to do that, if backports is added properly |
| 19:17.14 | wols | norbert_: we have apt |
| 19:17.21 | norbert_ | enouf: to sources.list? |
| 19:17.32 | wols | norbert_: read the bpo instrcutions. then come back |
| 19:17.37 | enouf | norbert_: yes, read the backports.org docs |
| 19:17.39 | Sedrik | chops: when you get a chance -- http://dpaste.com/61399/ |
| 19:17.49 | norbert_ | I've read those docs and tried all that, doesn't work |
| 19:17.51 | enouf | norbert_: there's even an archive-key |
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| 19:17.55 | chops | Sedrik: Yeah. I was busy arguing :-) |
| 19:17.57 | wols | norbert_: you're wrong |
| 19:17.59 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 19:17.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:18.00 | Sedrik | i noticed :) |
| 19:18.13 | simon1 | why does my debtorrent not start any torrents? |
| 19:18.15 | norbert_ | wols: no, if I can't get it to work, I'm right |
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| 19:18.26 | norbert_ | because that makes it too difficult, so I won't advice other people to do it |
| 19:18.34 | enouf | norbert_: possible pebcak? |
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| 19:18.37 | wols | if you can't get it to work and thousands of others can, you're a moron. lots of evidence for it :) |
| 19:18.44 | scatterp | enouf, i got this http://pastebin.com/m480e53f6 when trying to compile the lib |
| 19:18.48 | norbert_ | there are no thousands of others who can |
| 19:19.03 | norbert_ | besides, if I can't that doesn't make me a moron |
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| 19:19.10 | wols | scatterp: are you OCing? |
| 19:19.26 | wols | norbert_: it does for this particular thing |
| 19:19.35 | chops | Sedrik: Try having a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-egenix-mxdatetime.prerm and seeing what might be going wrong from there |
| 19:19.35 | pozic | Is there a binary viewer that shows all the strings in the binary? |
| 19:19.43 | norbert_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:19.43 | wols | pozic: strings ? |
| 19:19.46 | WormDrink | hi |
| 19:19.47 | norbert_ | so, tell me what's wrong with that then |
| 19:19.52 | scatterp | wola OCing ? |
| 19:19.55 | wols | norbert_: nothing |
| 19:19.55 | WormDrink | what is the project site for hexer ? |
| 19:20.01 | wols | scatterp: overclocking |
| 19:20.02 | norbert_ | so, tell me why it's not working then |
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| 19:20.04 | scatterp | wols no |
| 19:20.05 | chops | Sedrik: That's the script that's running and encountering an error -- you can even run sections of it from the shell and see what the problem is |
| 19:20.09 | paul0 | hi |
| 19:20.11 | pozic | wols: character data |
| 19:20.14 | wols | scatterp: since you don't give us any error, we can't tell |
| 19:20.15 | WormDrink | think someone awnswered me |
| 19:20.18 | paul0 | which package i should install to have java runtime? |
| 19:20.21 | Sedrik | chops: sweet, thx for the pointer. looking now. |
| 19:20.22 | WormDrink | but that was this morning |
| 19:20.28 | wols | !tell paul0 about install java |
| 19:20.31 | scatterp | wols i pasted the output ? |
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| 19:20.42 | paul0 | i've installed the sun-java6-jre, but i didn't get the "java" command |
| 19:20.47 | norbert_ | this whole channel is proof that Debian still isn't ready for the desktop |
| 19:20.54 | pozic | paul0: hash -r if you use bash |
| 19:20.56 | wols | norbert_: since you don't give us any error, we can't tell |
| 19:20.59 | chops | norbert_: Are you trolling? |
| 19:21.02 | JarZk1 | norbert_: agreed :) |
| 19:21.03 | Chunty | lol |
| 19:21.06 | scatterp | wols i was following instructions from http://nemaris.multiservers.com/dell/latituded630.html |
| 19:21.08 | norbert_ | and editing sources.list files to get things like "backports" is ridiculous |
| 19:21.29 | enouf | what's a desktop? |
| 19:21.34 | wols | norbert_: submit a patch or a better solution. until then: STFU |
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| 19:21.57 | enouf | you mean "tastes just like windows weenies?" |
| 19:22.10 | norbert_ | wols: I have better solutions and I have submitted them, like asking the user during the install whether they want backports enabled |
| 19:22.13 | pozic | wols: lots of programming languages call that a string. It's probably possible to extract human readable text out of programs that are not obfuscated (and even working around that should be possible). |
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| 19:22.21 | wols | norbert_: backports is not debian |
| 19:22.21 | enouf | scatterp: appears it |
| 19:22.22 | Chunty | wols: bit prickly! |
| 19:22.32 | enouf | scatterp: appears it's bug report time .. |
| 19:22.36 | chops | norbert_: If your definition of "ready for the desktop" includes "don't need to edit config files by hand", you're probably right. Debian requires editing files by hand to use properly. |
| 19:22.40 | norbert_ | wols: I don't think that's what I said |
| 19:22.50 | scatterp | enouf, ok how do i do that ive never submited one before |
| 19:23.08 | enouf | Preprocessed source stored into /tmp/ccRrvLuR.out file, please attach this to your bugreport. |
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| 19:23.26 | enouf | For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions, 7. see <URL:file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1/README.Bugs>. |
| 19:23.27 | sagun | Hi, i have just installed nvidia driver, gdm runs when i restart gdm but once I restart the computer, gdm doesnt start. i would really be thankful if someone could help me on this. |
| 19:23.28 | scatterp | what do i do with that email it ? |
| 19:23.34 | scatterp | ahh ok |
| 19:23.47 | scatterp | enouf, would a newer version of gcc help ? |
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| 19:24.25 | enouf | scatterp: it shouldn't be needed, but i'm not sure |
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| 19:25.36 | daniele | ciao |
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| 19:25.59 | Danker | Hi |
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| 19:26.16 | Danker | How should i display forwarded connections with netstat? |
| 19:26.24 | Sebby | how can i install a *.deb packege |
| 19:26.25 | Sebby | ? |
| 19:26.35 | Danker | Sebby: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 19:26.52 | Danker | Of course youn need to be root ;) |
| 19:26.59 | Danker | you* |
| 19:27.09 | scatterp | enouf, could you try to compile it on your system maybe its just me ? |
| 19:27.12 | enouf | scatterp: you could try newer version |
| 19:27.44 | WormDrink | hi, anybody know the project page for the hexer debian package ? |
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| 19:27.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.53 | enouf | scatterp: ^^^^^ |
| 19:28.02 | scatterp | ok |
| 19:28.22 | enouf | scatterp: along with ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.17rc2.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:29.28 | enouf | scatterp: and ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/utils/alsa-utils-1.0.17rc2.tar.bz2 |
| 19:29.38 | norbert_ | WormDrink: maybe http://sourceforge.net/projects/hexer |
| 19:30.04 | scatterp | do i need to some how uninstall what i did before |
| 19:30.09 | enouf | scatterp: i don't have an etch system here .. so it would be useless for me to compile jhere |
| 19:30.10 | scatterp | i mean i followed dpkg stuff |
| 19:30.15 | enouf | scatterp: yes |
| 19:30.21 | enouf | rm the whole thing |
| 19:30.25 | scatterp | and i also did the first parts of the other |
| 19:30.28 | enouf | dpkg? |
| 19:30.35 | norbert_ | WormDrink: or maybe you mean http://packages.debian.org/etch/hexer |
| 19:30.35 | scatterp | dpkg alsachecklist |
| 19:30.36 | dpkg | scatterp: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:30.37 | enouf | no you didn't |
| 19:30.44 | enouf | no no , not that |
| 19:31.09 | WormDrink | thanks norbert_, will check it out |
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| 19:31.20 | enouf | scatterp: we're talking about these instructs; http://nemaris.multiservers.com/dell/latituded630.html |
| 19:31.27 | scatterp | ok |
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| 19:31.30 | enouf | scatterp: in Audio / Video |
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| 19:31.36 | enouf | so stop mentioniong dpkg |
| 19:31.38 | wastro | anyone have an advice about a window for an application that disappeared permanently? |
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| 19:32.02 | norbert_ | wastro: which application? |
| 19:32.19 | WormDrink | norbert_, http://sourceforge.net/projects/hexer is not what im looking for |
| 19:32.28 | WormDrink | hexer im looking for is a vi like hex editor |
| 19:32.39 | wastro | norbert_: pidgin |
| 19:32.47 | enouf | WormFood: xxd ? |
| 19:32.52 | wastro | the buddy list no longer shows up when I launch the app |
| 19:33.23 | justin | WormDrink: you can edit hex with vi |
| 19:33.32 | WormDrink | ugh |
| 19:33.34 | WormDrink | here we go again |
| 19:33.37 | WormDrink | let me guess |
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| 19:33.39 | WormDrink | xxd ... |
| 19:33.44 | WormDrink | and then I say no you cant |
| 19:33.50 | justin | WormDrink: why not? |
| 19:33.50 | WormDrink | what if you add a byte .. |
| 19:34.05 | justin | don't do that then :-) |
| 19:34.06 | WormDrink | and you say but vim is not a hex editor |
| 19:34.14 | WormDrink | and then i say that was my point to start with |
| 19:34.15 | enouf | WormFood: any all debian info should be reachable from http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hexer.html |
| 19:34.16 | WormDrink | ... |
| 19:34.18 | WormDrink | thank you |
| 19:34.21 | WormDrink | right back where we were |
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| 19:34.32 | WormDrink | not looking for debian info |
| 19:34.42 | WormDrink | looking for the source |
| 19:34.45 | justin | WormDrink: what is wrong with hexer? |
| 19:34.48 | WormDrink | i found it though |
| 19:34.48 | WormDrink | at debian site |
| 19:34.50 | WormDrink | but i dunno if its latest source |
| 19:34.57 | xingu | WormDrink: beav ? |
| 19:35.06 | WormDrink | nothing is wrong with hexer, except that i cant find the project page ... |
| 19:35.16 | WormDrink | Im not running debian btw |
| 19:35.17 | justin | WormDrink: who the hell cares if it is the latest? hex isn't exactly a volatile format |
| 19:35.23 | WormDrink | and its not in portage |
| 19:35.34 | WormDrink | it is not ? |
| 19:35.37 | WormDrink | wow, thats a new development ... |
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| 19:35.57 | WormDrink | anyway, justin, that doesnt mean the editor is wihtout any bugs whatsoever |
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| 19:36.38 | xingu | observes that zcpr2.2 was a new thing the last time he went anywhere near hex editing |
| 19:36.54 | soulchild | How stable is sid ? really unstable ? |
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| 19:37.08 | WormDrink | anyway |
| 19:37.16 | WormDrink | the project page would have been nice .. |
| 19:37.21 | WormDrink | but ill settle for the source code |
| 19:37.34 | WormDrink | and you people really should do something about this attitude of yours |
| 19:37.51 | norbert_ | well, I agree with you there |
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| 19:38.10 | norbert_ | some people here have awful attitudes |
| 19:38.10 | enouf | xingu: bview is pretty rad :-p |
| 19:38.21 | Delph | soulchild: i think the typical statement is "if you have to ask, it's too unstable" |
| 19:38.27 | chops | WormDrink: (1) the source is downloadable from the page enouf sent you (2) the versions of hexer are exactly identical in oldstable, stable, testing, and sid (3) you just lost most of the people who were even trying to help you by mentioning that you're not running Debian anyway |
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| 19:38.29 | norbert_ | bashing other people (including those who're trying to help) seems to be their hobby |
| 19:38.29 | tombs | does anyone runs wordpress? I just installed and I cannot find it to start |
| 19:38.35 | enouf | xingu: those crazy russkis :-P |
| 19:38.58 | enouf | indeed, 2003 seems to be that latest for hexer :-P |
| 19:38.59 | Delph | norbert_: however, we're here because we want to support debian users; supporting non-debian users seems... wasteful? There is limited time in the world. |
| 19:39.00 | WormDrink | Im using gentoo ? |
| 19:39.02 | chops | WormDrink: Please ask Gentoo for any more support for Gentoo |
| 19:39.06 | Danker | Does anyone have netstat -M working on Debian? |
| 19:39.11 | WormDrink | does that count for anything ? |
| 19:39.11 | chops | WormDrink: You mentioned portage |
| 19:39.22 | pozic | tombs: Checked /usr/share/doc/wordpress(or whatever it is named?) |
| 19:39.30 | WormDrink | no but anyway, i found the source code some time ago |
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| 19:39.36 | WormDrink | but still, thanks |
| 19:39.38 | norbert_ | he's using Linux and he's a human being |
| 19:39.40 | docmax | is there a windows-explorer alternative in linux? |
| 19:39.45 | chops | Delph: Particularly since Debian has taken pains to make hexer installable with a single command for Debian users, apparently unlike the Gentoo developers :-) |
| 19:39.45 | tombs | pozic: I will. thanx |
| 19:39.59 | Delph | docmax: your average desktop enviroment will provide you something like that |
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| 19:40.29 | Delph | get gnome or kde or xfce and it'll give you something suitable. |
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| 19:40.39 | norbert_ | docmax: nautilus is an option |
| 19:40.40 | Delph | or there's rox-filer as a standalone type thing. |
| 19:40.53 | mirak | hi |
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| 19:41.12 | rwaite | why are the mono deps still broken on lenny? this has been like 2 months |
| 19:41.15 | mirak | is there a way to fake the kernel version, so some script believe I use some different kernel than the one I use really ? |
| 19:41.15 | rwaite | now |
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| 19:41.25 | rwaite | alias 'uname' ? |
| 19:41.27 | chops | mirak: You can modify the script |
| 19:41.35 | Delph | mirak: probably easiest to modify the script |
| 19:41.49 | Delph | mirak: that way any other scripts that *really do mean it* won't start getting confused. |
| 19:41.52 | mirak | chops, Delph there is to many places |
| 19:42.03 | Delph | mirak: life is short, search-and-replace harder. |
| 19:42.20 | norbert_ | docmax: check out http://www.linux.com/articles/113952 |
| 19:42.23 | chops | mirak: It calls 'uname' from multiple places? That's unusual; most scripts will set an environment variable and use it from then on. |
| 19:42.29 | norbert_ | docmax: from 2005, but still useful |
| 19:42.31 | chops | mirak: What script is it? Can you pastebin it? |
| 19:42.47 | mirak | chops, I mean the make files compile more than one thing |
| 19:42.51 | simon1 | see bug #489923; there is at least one more person whose debtorrent does not have torrents |
| 19:42.54 | mirak | choc, it's multiproto drivers |
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| 19:43.07 | chops | mirak: Can you pastebin the makefile then? |
| 19:43.08 | mirak | choc, I guess each module have it's makefile also |
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| 19:43.37 | chops | mirak: Automated modification of multiple files is one of the strengths of Unix as a development environment :-) |
| 19:43.45 | norbert_ | docmax: and http://www.linux.com/feature/59043 |
| 19:44.41 | norbert_ | I have a question, is there any way to get truecrypt for Debian stable without compiling the sources? |
| 19:45.00 | WormDrink | well just btw, the souce code hardly compiles... |
| 19:45.34 | WormDrink | hexer that is |
| 19:45.36 | chops | WormDrink: On Debian it compiles fine. Please ask Gentoo for help. |
| 19:45.49 | WormDrink | no its fine, i can fix it |
| 19:45.52 | WormDrink | but still |
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| 19:46.12 | norbert_ | chops: how would you even know the problem is related to Gentoo? |
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| 19:46.46 | chops | norbert_: Because it would have been a release blocker if it didn't compile on Debian, and because he told us he's working on Gentoo, and because it doesn't compile for him. |
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| 19:47.11 | norbert_ | well, don't you think the Debian package manager could have made some alterations to the code to make it compile? |
| 19:47.21 | WormDrink | so debian never patches packages to compile/work properly ? |
| 19:47.55 | Delph | WormDrink: possibly. Have you considered installing debian? Things that are packaged for debian tend to compile. |
| 19:47.57 | chops | norbert_, WormDrink: Please stop. The problem WormDrink is experiencing is not related to Debian, and bringing it up on this channel is offtopic. |
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| 19:48.17 | WormDrink | ok chops |
| 19:48.19 | WormDrink | fine |
| 19:48.21 | WormDrink | ill go away |
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| 19:48.37 | norbert_ | I do agree with you chops, but why can't we tell visitors these things nicely? |
| 19:48.46 | norbert_ | he's a human being, right? |
| 19:49.03 | norbert_ | and you don't have to piss him off, you can just not help him |
| 19:49.13 | xingu | I'd swear I once tripped over a binary that faked all sorts of utsname-related things |
| 19:49.15 | xingu | oh well. |
| 19:50.42 | alphad | hi |
| 19:50.51 | xingu | mirak: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/uname.c <- something along those lines would fix your wagon with a bit of tweaking. |
| 19:50.55 | chops | norbert_: Whether he's pissed off is his issue, not mine. When I _first_ told him to take his Gentoo support issue to a Gentoo support channel, I said "please", and also gave him a bit of help on the side before directing him elsewhere. When I told him again, I still said "please", and I still didn't say anything rude. |
| 19:50.56 | bolt | I think I have some kind of character encoding problem here. When I enter a filename using special scandinavian characters in the linux console, the file shows up with that name. If I do the same on a samba share from windows, the file also shows up with the correct name. However, the filename of the samba file is garbled in the console, and the other way around! How can I fix this? |
| 19:51.38 | mirak | xingu I will just do a echo script lol |
| 19:51.49 | xingu | mirak: ie, start the outermost /bin/sh within a ld_preload wrapper that tells lies to whatever's asking |
| 19:51.51 | \amethyst | bolt: yes, they probably think of the FS as having different encodings |
| 19:52.06 | bolt | \amethyst: how can I fix this? |
| 19:52.27 | \amethyst | bolt: Can you provide an example of both sides of a single garbled filename? That will help determine what the encodings are |
| 19:52.30 | scatterp | hi while trying to compile the alsa sound drivers i got this http://pastebin.com/f54d62f98 apt-get reports libasound2 is already the newest version. |
| 19:53.02 | simonrvn | scatterp: yes, and? that's just the library. you need -dev stuff... |
| 19:53.03 | \amethyst | scatterp: sounds like you need libasound2-dev |
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| 19:53.35 | bubba | has anyone gotten rtl8187B wireless working with native drivers under debian? |
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| 19:54.16 | bolt | \amethyst: a locally created file shows up on the samba share (from windows) as ________ (underscores replace the special characters). A samba-created file shows up as "æøå���"... not sure if these will go well through irc |
| 19:54.45 | chops | bolt: Sounds like your system's encoding may be different from the one samba is configured with |
| 19:54.51 | chops | bolt: What encoding is each of those using? |
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| 19:55.38 | \amethyst | bolt: okay, so it sounds like Windows and Samba are using utf-8 encoding, but locally you are creating latin1 filenames |
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| 19:56.05 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.06 | bolt | choc: not entirely sure. I configured locales to use ISO-8859-15, because otherwise dialogs look garbled in aterm for some reason. not sure where to set samba |
| 19:56.12 | JyZyXEL | no rrdtool-dev o.o |
| 19:56.25 | \amethyst | bolt: I would recommend using a UTF-8 locale and not using aterm |
| 19:56.49 | chops | bolt: I would also recommend using UTF-8 |
| 19:56.52 | \amethyst | bolt: rxvt-unicode, xterm, gnome-terminal, and konsole, among others, all support UTF-8 |
| 19:57.13 | chops | bolt: See if that fixes things -- I guess it's possible that samba just always uses UTF-8 (I can't seem to find how to configure filename encodings in smb.conf(5)) |
| 19:57.20 | koeppea | xterm not natively |
| 19:57.26 | bolt | \amethyst, chops: i'll try changing it and see if it improves, and replace my terminal if it does :) |
| 19:57.41 | chops | koeppea: xterm does support it natively (via the 'uxterm' binary I know) |
| 19:57.48 | \amethyst | bolt: if that isn't acceptible, you can use the 'unix charset' option in smb.conf |
| 19:57.51 | koeppea | wheather uxterm or xterm -u |
| 19:57.54 | simonrvn | uxterm (which is just a wrapper for xterm to enable utf-8) |
| 19:57.56 | enouf | scatterp: it seems you need the newer alsa versions from testing; http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libasound2-dev&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 19:58.21 | enouf | scatterp: note; version; 1.0.16-2 |
| 19:58.35 | chops | koeppea: I would actually be pretty surprised if utf-8 support still requires running uxterm; it seems like even X11 should finally have the rest of the computing world in that regard :-) |
| 19:58.38 | \amethyst | koeppea: or xterm -lc with a UTF-8 locale |
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| 19:58.55 | chops | *should finally have caught up with the rest of the computing world |
| 19:59.58 | simonrvn | file /usr/bin/uxterm |
| 19:59.59 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/uxterm: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 20:00.11 | xingu | chops: ... now that the rest of the world is pondering utf16 you mean :) |
| 20:00.22 | simonrvn | exec $XTERM_PROGRAM -class UXTerm -title $whoami -u8 "$@" |
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| 20:01.06 | enouf | scatterp: what's your wifi card / type anyway? i would consider moving your system up to testing, no guarantees, and possible breakage - but unless you are able to backport alsa appropriately, you might not get sound at all |
| 20:01.18 | enouf | scatterp: i see, ipw3945 |
| 20:01.18 | chops | xingu: Blargh. You must be kidding. I've not heard of utf-16, but based on looking at the Wikipedia article it looks like it combines all the pain of non-8-bit representations of ASCII characters with all the pain of variable-width encodings |
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| 20:01.45 | mirak | xingu, how do you do that ??? |
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| 20:01.55 | mirak | xingu, "start the outermost /bin/sh within a ld_preload wrapper that tells lies to whatever's asking" |
| 20:01.57 | chops | xingu: But at least it's the native encoding in Windows Vista, Java, and .NET :-/ |
| 20:02.03 | \amethyst | chops: UTF-16's existence is kind of an accident |
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| 20:02.24 | chops | \amethyst: I'll say |
| 20:02.32 | \amethyst | chops: well, not exactly an accident, but an accident of history |
| 20:02.49 | enouf | likes UTF-64568323.543543 encoding :-P |
| 20:02.52 | chops | \amethyst: Well, before the right answer is arrived at, it makes sense that there would be some odd solutions floating around |
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| 20:03.04 | chops | \amethyst: Now that the right answer has arrived, and it's utf-8, I don't see much point in using anything else :-) |
| 20:03.06 | pickcoder | s/accident/casualty of too many standards |
| 20:03.28 | \amethyst | chops: UTF-8 isn't the only right answer |
| 20:03.28 | enouf | !standards |
| 20:03.29 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 20:03.31 | chops | \amethyst: Yeah. 65536 codepoints ought to be enough for anybody. |
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| 20:03.38 | \amethyst | chops: there are situations where UCS-4 makes sense |
| 20:03.55 | chops | \amethyst: When is utf-8 a bad solution? Ah, yes, I can agree that UCS-4 is useful for some specialized situations. |
| 20:04.01 | Delph | yeah; everything has a reason to exist. Hopefully people will start paying attention to encodings more now. |
| 20:04.10 | Delph | and we won't end up with an ISO-8859-whatever situation again |
| 20:04.16 | \amethyst | chops: utf-8 stinks as an internal format for strings in memory |
| 20:04.35 | koeppea | Any l e |
| 20:04.38 | \amethyst | chops: it makes it very difficult to take a substring or even to find the Nth character |
| 20:04.46 | koeppea | anyone on earth should earn a char |
| 20:04.49 | \amethyst | chops: by 'very difficult' I mean you have to scan from the beginning of the string |
| 20:05.11 | Delph | \amethyst: though that gets annoying anyway if you start doing silly characters, no? |
| 20:05.23 | chops | \amethyst: I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that :-). I know what you mean, but it's been my experience that the pain of variable-width encodings is absolutely dwarfed by the pain of the other solutions to this problem. |
| 20:05.24 | Delph | has already hit his first bug with a properties file with a BOM at the start |
| 20:05.33 | JyZyXEL | i need libpanel (-lpanel) |
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| 20:05.39 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 20:05.42 | JyZyXEL | there is "libpanel-applet2-0" in deb rep |
| 20:05.44 | JyZyXEL | is that it?? |
| 20:05.49 | Nazcafan | how do I list all bloqued packages in synaptic |
| 20:06.00 | chops | \amethyst: Though I agree that UCS-4 is useful for applications where substringing and indexing turn out to be critical operations |
| 20:06.28 | bolt | \amethyst, chops: both options (changing charset in samba, changing charset on the box itself) seem to work. trying to find a utf8-compatible terminal i like. otherwise i'll go with the samba solution |
| 20:06.36 | bolt | \amethyst, chops: thanks a bunch |
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| 20:06.51 | chops | bolt: np. FWIW my strong recommendation is to stick with utf-8 and find a capable terminal. |
| 20:07.25 | Nazcafan | ah |
| 20:07.28 | Nazcafan | found |
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| 20:09.27 | \amethyst | chops: there's also the question of what /./ matches in, say, a regexp |
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| 20:09.37 | Aeze | bonsoir |
| 20:09.43 | chops | \amethyst: nod |
| 20:10.01 | \amethyst | chops: does it match a byte or a code point? The former is broken, and with the latter, using UTF-8 makes your re engine rather more complicated than it could be |
| 20:10.03 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install libpanel-applet2-0 libpanel-applet2-dev After unpacking 104MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 20:10.08 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck |
| 20:10.08 | bubba | has anyone gotten rtl8187B wireless working with native drivers under debian? |
| 20:10.11 | chops | \amethyst: nod |
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| 20:10.24 | JyZyXEL | why the hell do i need to spend 104MB on some fucking library |
| 20:10.28 | Aeze | oula c pas francais ici lol |
| 20:10.39 | cusco | !fr |
| 20:10.40 | chops | remembers the time when grep in utf-8 locales suddenly started running 10000% slower and kept doing so for several months... |
| 20:10.40 | dpkg | fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:10.44 | JyZyXEL | is that -lpanel even? |
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| 20:11.12 | Aeze | thx dpkg |
| 20:11.14 | Aeze | ;) |
| 20:11.19 | Nazcafan | Aeze: c'est un bot |
| 20:11.30 | Aeze | pouvais pas savoir lol |
| 20:11.34 | Aeze | premiere fois que je viens ici |
| 20:11.36 | Aeze | :) |
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| 20:12.42 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: -lpanel is part of ncurses |
| 20:12.52 | JyZyXEL | and now you tell me |
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| 20:13.19 | JyZyXEL | just when i installed all that gtk crap |
| 20:13.20 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: the one you are talking about is a gnome devel library---it was probably 104MB because other gnome devel libraries got pulled in as dependencies |
| 20:13.30 | \amethyst | sorry :( |
| 20:13.33 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: apt-cache depends libpanel-applet2-dev .. i suppose there's your answer |
| 20:14.01 | JyZyXEL | how do i uninstall what i just installed |
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| 20:16.05 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: hm, if you used aptitude or (I think) recent apt-get you could just remove the two you explicitly installed and the others should be automatically removed. |
| 20:16.28 | JyZyXEL | god damn ill just paste all the packets from the "These packets will be installed" |
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| 20:16.34 | \amethyst | if not, you could look in /var/log/dpkg.log , get a list of the packages, and reove them |
| 20:16.42 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: or that :) |
| 20:16.55 | JyZyXEL | gotta find a way to remove all the \n:s |
| 20:16.56 | Bushmills | sounds like a case of "bloody system did what i asked it to do" |
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| 20:17.20 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: paste it into vi, then keep pressing capital J until it doesn't do anything |
| 20:18.03 | n3kl | How can I build a kernel for fai? |
| 20:18.14 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: or you could use apt-get remove $(cat <<EOF<newline><paste stuff here><newline>EOF<newline>) |
| 20:18.16 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst i don't think its gonna be that easy |
| 20:19.16 | JyZyXEL | maybe if i do: apt-get --purge ' |
| 20:19.21 | JyZyXEL | leave it open like that |
| 20:19.24 | Lectus | is there any way to install e17 in debian lenny? |
| 20:19.28 | JyZyXEL | then i can paste multiline |
| 20:19.32 | JyZyXEL | until another ' |
| 20:19.47 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I don't suspect it will work, because apt-get will think you're talking about a single package with a really long name |
| 20:19.53 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I could be wrong, though |
| 20:20.15 | Bushmills | put an \ and end of line |
| 20:20.30 | Bushmills | at ... |
| 20:20.33 | JyZyXEL | what? |
| 20:20.37 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean |
| 20:20.42 | Bushmills | apt-get -P \ |
| 20:20.44 | Bushmills | ... |
| 20:21.02 | JyZyXEL | what will that do? |
| 20:21.13 | \amethyst | backslash at the end of the line continues the line |
| 20:21.23 | JyZyXEL | my paste is full of enters |
| 20:21.32 | Bushmills | escape the end of line. continuing to read input from in the next line |
| 20:21.34 | \amethyst | Bushmills: the problem is he's got a big multiline paste and (AIUI) prefers not to send it through a text editor first |
| 20:21.50 | Bushmills | cat << EOF |
| 20:21.50 | infinitycircuit | Lectus: http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/repository/ may work on lenny |
| 20:22.00 | \amethyst | yeah, I suggested $(cat <<EOF |
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| 20:22.03 | Bushmills | text (multiple lines) |
| 20:22.06 | Bushmills | EOF |
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| 20:22.13 | \amethyst | ) |
| 20:22.15 | \amethyst | that's what I usually use in such circumstances |
| 20:22.20 | Bushmills | oh, sorry. credit all yours. |
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| 20:22.23 | JyZyXEL | i don't understand that |
| 20:23.05 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: $( command ) runs the command, splits its output into words, and expands into the list of words |
| 20:23.11 | bubba | has anyone gotten rtl8187B wireless working with native drivers under debian? |
| 20:23.20 | chops | JyZyXEL: The way I do that is to do apt-get -P `cat`, and then paste the list of packages, and then hit Ctrl-D |
| 20:23.29 | Bushmills | then try it, play with it, see how it works. then you'll know it next time you need something like that |
| 20:24.04 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: cat <<EOF takes as its input everything that appears in the 'script' until EOF on its own line, and sends it to output |
| 20:24.39 | Bushmills | my girlfriend - who is not a very computerish person - knew that after two weeks of using linux ... |
| 20:24.52 | JyZyXEL | chops that was awesome |
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| 20:25.12 | chops | JyZyXEL: <<EOF is the more standard way of doing it, but `cat` has always just been my habit |
| 20:25.26 | JyZyXEL | yea well i have no idea what <<EOF is |
| 20:25.33 | Delph | Bushmills: it's amazing how long you can go until learning things like <<<"Text Goes Here" |
| 20:25.42 | Bushmills | though i think $( command ... ) is preferred over ` command ...` |
| 20:25.49 | chops | Delph: I've never learned it well enough to be comfortable with it, for example :-) |
| 20:26.24 | scatterp | enouf, sorry for the late response boss called |
| 20:26.34 | scatterp | simonrvn, thanks |
| 20:26.36 | JyZyXEL | ok now im left with the original problem to figure out what -lpanel is |
| 20:26.41 | scatterp | \amethyst, thanks |
| 20:26.50 | JyZyXEL | google has 0 results on it |
| 20:26.52 | Bushmills | Delph: i blame the focussing on graphical user environments for that |
| 20:26.53 | chops | JyZyXEL: apt-file search libpanel |
| 20:26.55 | JyZyXEL | seriosly 0 |
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| 20:27.11 | JyZyXEL | -lpanel must be reaaaaaaally popular |
| 20:27.32 | JyZyXEL | chops its not libpanel |
| 20:27.42 | chops | JyZyXEL: If it's -lpanel, it's libpanel. |
| 20:27.52 | JyZyXEL | no there is no such thing as "libpanel" |
| 20:27.57 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't find it from google |
| 20:28.04 | Bushmills | doesn't -string instruct google to not display results matching string? |
| 20:28.09 | chops | JyZyXEL: I've been away. Can you pastebin the exact command that you're running, and the full output including the failure to find -lpanel (or whatever)? |
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| 20:28.20 | chops | Bushmills: Yes, it does :-) |
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| 20:28.39 | Bushmills | that would leave .. zero hits containing it :) |
| 20:28.41 | JyZyXEL | chops http://pastebin.com/m127a90a5 |
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| 20:29.40 | Delph | Bushmills: i'd nardly call myself focussed on GUIs, though |
| 20:29.56 | chops | JyZyXEL: FFS... you just made me type 'apt-file search libpanel' and search the results for the answer. It's there. Do it for yourself and find out what package you need to install. |
| 20:30.18 | JyZyXEL | chops did you check what that command returns urself? |
| 20:30.21 | Bushmills | Delph: nerdly? hardly? |
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| 20:30.31 | chops | JyZyXEL: I did. |
| 20:30.32 | scatterp | \amethyst, simonrvn i installed -dev and its version (1.0.13-2) i need version >= 1.0.16. |
| 20:30.36 | Delph | oh, yeah, hardly |
| 20:30.48 | JyZyXEL | chops cause if you actually did then you would know there isn't any anserws there |
| 20:31.05 | scatterp | enouf, im geting the newer version from testing or trying at least |
| 20:31.09 | WALoeIII | where would I find ruby 1.8.6 packages for testing? I got bumped to 1.8.7 and want to revert to 1.8.6, etch has 1.8.5 which isn't ideal |
| 20:31.09 | chops | JyZyXEL: There is an answer there. I'm looking at it as we speak. |
| 20:31.19 | Bushmills | Delph: but you know about "here docs", so you're only confirming my point then. |
| 20:31.22 | JyZyXEL | screenshot |
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| 20:31.25 | JyZyXEL | or ur lieing |
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| 20:31.37 | chops | JyZyXEL: Okay, that's enough. I'm going to stop helping you. Good luck. |
| 20:31.49 | Delph | Bushmills: but i only learned it about, four weeks ago? |
| 20:31.49 | JyZyXEL | cause libpanel-applet2-0 != libpanel |
| 20:33.20 | Bushmills | Delph: well, the past unneeded echo ...| didn't kill your computer |
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| 20:33.47 | Delph | WALoeIII: snapshot.debian.net , i think? |
| 20:33.58 | Delph | there's something somewhere with All The Packages Ever |
| 20:34.03 | WALoeIII | 404 |
| 20:34.10 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: one of the first few dozen results in the output of apt-file search libpanel is libncurses5-dev: /usr/lib/libpanel.so |
| 20:34.13 | chops | Delph: Unless for some reason you want 2006 or 2007 :-( |
| 20:34.15 | WALoeIII | errr .net |
| 20:34.31 | chops | Delph: There was some sort of disaster that resulted in a lot of recent packages disappearing from snapshots |
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| 20:34.36 | Delph | eek |
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| 20:35.23 | WALoeIII | Delph: This looks like it will do what I need, thank you very much. |
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| 20:35.37 | doublehp | my usb keyboard is not recognised at boot time; i have to un/replug it everytime. any idea ? |
| 20:36.07 | chops | doublehp: Sounds like a kernel and/or udev bug |
| 20:36.44 | doublehp | chops: I dont have any message when I unplug it first time; but i do th second ... |
| 20:37.15 | bubba | has anyone gotten rtl8187B wireless working with native drivers under debian? |
| 20:37.18 | scatterp | enouf, i got the file you said and it required some other stuff i got that too when i tryed to install libc6 it said it conflicts with an existing version when i tryed to remove the existing one i got a ton of dependency errors what can i do ? |
| 20:37.30 | njoyce | i've just upgraded to apache2.2-common to 2.2.9-4 and now my VirtualHosts are all borked, is this a known issue? |
| 20:38.16 | Delph | doublehp: do other usb devices do the right thing? |
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| 20:39.01 | doublehp | Delph: mouse seems to , from memory |
| 20:39.15 | war9407 | There is a serious vulnerability in BIND, is Debian affected? |
| 20:39.23 | war9407 | from isc.org: |
| 20:39.25 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.30 | chops | war9407: Yes, and there's an update (with elaborate instructions on what to do) |
| 20:39.46 | chops | war9407: See the Debian security advisories |
| 20:39.47 | Delph | war9407: ooi, are you signed up to the debian security announce list? |
| 20:39.52 | war9407 | for testing? |
| 20:39.55 | war9407 | they have one for testing? |
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| 20:40.11 | chops | In this episode, war9407 learns not to run testing on production servers :-/ |
| 20:40.15 | war9407 | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade no update :( |
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| 20:40.24 | chops | war9407: Testing does have security support; I'm not sure when the update for testing it coming out |
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| 20:40.30 | war9407 | ah |
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| 20:41.52 | doublehp | chops: Delph : no more idea ? |
| 20:41.54 | Bushmills | njoyce: there was a change of moving User and Group from apache2.conf to envvars at one point. also a change related the ports specification in NameVirtualHost recently but i forgot about the details. |
| 20:42.02 | Bushmills | though changelog should tell |
| 20:42.09 | Delph | doublehp: sounds like udev weirdness |
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| 20:42.17 | Delph | doublehp: keep poking at it until it does the right thing. |
| 20:42.40 | njoyce | Bushmills: thx, i'll check it out |
| 20:43.01 | Delph | doublehp: it's one of those "er, you kinda have to be there" problems |
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| 20:43.20 | chops | doublehp: You can try other versions of the kernel or udev, see if they solve the problem, maybe file a bug against one of those |
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| 20:48.59 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question |
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| 20:49.46 | kenjy | guys Im going to buy a graphic card, witch one you recommend me to buy? |
| 20:49.59 | kenjy | of course that works with debian linux |
| 20:50.18 | Delph | what's that linux hardware support site? |
| 20:50.19 | TiMiDo | anyone work with debian |
| 20:50.29 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: what's your question? |
| 20:50.29 | \amethyst | !hcl |
| 20:50.30 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 20:50.39 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: depends on what you want to do with the card |
| 20:50.58 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, look i have a question how come when i do ipconfig i get this result http://pastebin.ca/1065879 |
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| 20:51.02 | TiMiDo | before i had my ip address. |
| 20:51.12 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: I wanna work with two monitors, right now I have a nvidia |
| 20:51.21 | tonkar | Bushmills: i changed the ip for the wireless network and it works perfect ;) |
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| 20:51.37 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: what about it? |
| 20:51.50 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: and if it could run compiz that could be great :) |
| 20:51.50 | TiMiDo | how can i get my real ip not my local ip? |
| 20:51.51 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: 192.168.1.70 is your ip address |
| 20:51.54 | tonkar | Bushmills: if you remember, i asked you 2 or 3 days ago |
| 20:52.02 | TiMiDo | isn't that a local ip? |
| 20:52.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell TiMiDo -about what is my ip |
| 20:52.10 | kenjy | TimiDo: check your router public IP |
| 20:52.12 | Bushmills | tonkar: your evil wlan setup, that was |
| 20:52.26 | tonkar | jaja ;), thanks a lot for your help |
| 20:52.26 | TiMiDo | i did |
| 20:52.47 | tonkar | now i can mount sshfs directly :D |
| 20:52.51 | Bushmills | glad that helped |
| 20:52.51 | slasko__ | hi, does anyone know if libstdc++.so.5 is installed with derbian? |
| 20:53.06 | kenjy | can you recomend me a graphic card for debian? |
| 20:53.28 | wastro | is there a wine channel |
| 20:53.44 | Bushmills | kenjy: a well supported ISA card is (or was?) the Tseng labs ET 4000 |
| 20:53.51 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: I'm using nvidia now with the nv drivers, but I've no clue if compiz works with that; the hardware compatiblity list and the various compiz and/or driver information boards will tell you about them. |
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| 20:54.23 | jelly-home | wastro: you'll find it in the channel list. |
| 20:54.39 | C2H5OH | holy cow, udev 0.124-2 does not boot anymore !! |
| 20:54.46 | C2H5OH | anyone with the same problem? |
| 20:54.46 | pickcoder | slasko: libstdc++5 package |
| 20:55.15 | jelly-home | wastro: #winehq |
| 20:56.08 | slasko | apt-get install libstdc++5 package? |
| 20:56.37 | TiMiDo | from where do i download the w32codecs? |
| 20:56.38 | Eulex | C2H5OH, checked the bts? |
| 20:56.49 | pickcoder | !info libstdc++5 etch |
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| 20:56.52 | dpkg | libstdc++5: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.6-15 (etch), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 852 kB |
| 20:56.59 | scatterp | hmm can i get some help with my sound i have a intel card i followed dpkg it didnt work i was told to download newer alsa drivers i did it had a dependency on libc6 i tryed to download that it said it had a conflict with the current version i tryed to uninstall the current version it said it would break a whole flood of programs that depended on it |
| 20:57.00 | TiMiDo | !info w32codecs |
| 20:57.01 | Eulex | !tell TiMiDo about debian-multimedia |
| 20:57.07 | C2H5OH | Eulex: I'm on it |
| 20:57.21 | pickcoder | slasko: it is an optional package so it's not part of the required installation |
| 20:57.33 | pickcoder | if you want it, you will have to install it or another package that depends on it |
| 20:57.33 | Bushmills | kenjy: check this: http://www.x.org/wiki/Projects/Drivers |
| 20:57.39 | Delph | scatterp: upgrading libc is not something we would suggest you do without being aware of what it's doing. |
| 20:57.53 | scatterp | Delph, ok |
| 20:57.54 | Delph | scatterp: you may want to find a backport of the required drivers, rather than upgrade your libc6 |
| 20:58.04 | slasko | ok how do i install it? |
| 20:58.06 | scatterp | oh ok ill do that |
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| 20:58.24 | pickcoder | slasko: aptitude install libstdc++5 |
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| 20:58.59 | slasko | hey that worked, thanks alot :) |
| 20:59.11 | kenjy | tnks Bushmills |
| 21:00.09 | scatterp | Delph, how do i search backports to find the latest alsa-driver ? |
| 21:00.16 | simonrvn | wth, i'm doing this: find . -type f -iname '*.css' -o '*.js' -o '*.php' -o '*.?htm*' -print0 | xargs -0 dos2unix but getting this: find: paths must precede expression: *.js |
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| 21:00.40 | simonrvn | i had: find . -type f -iname '*.css' -or -iname -or '*.js' -or -iname '*.php' -or -iname '*.?htm*' -print0 | xargs -0 dos2unix , but that died with the same exit code too |
| 21:01.04 | elif | hi is possible to have anonymous svn or cvs access to some debian packages sources ? |
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| 21:03.57 | pelle_k | Hello people. How stable would you consider "lenny" to be compared to say, ubuntu 8.04 (or what have you) ATM? |
| 21:04.21 | Bushmills | kenjy: also here: http://www.free3d.org/ |
| 21:04.21 | dondelelcaro | pelle_k: it's not stable at all. |
| 21:04.27 | scatterp | Delph, there is a driver but it says its for lenny i have etch what should i do ? |
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| 21:04.42 | dondelelcaro | pelle_k: it'll change every day until it's released. If you mean, how broken is it, it's not very broken, but you can see the bugs list for yourself. |
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| 21:05.32 | pickcoder | simonrvn: try without the single quotes? |
| 21:05.43 | pelle_k | dondelelcaro, ok, so etch + some backports would be preferred then? |
| 21:05.54 | dondelelcaro | pelle_k: if you can't have things changing, yes. |
| 21:06.13 | jelly-home | simonrvn: what's "-or"? |
| 21:06.37 | pelle_k | dondelelcaro, i'm not running a server or something like that. just fed up with all the bugs in "hardy"... |
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| 21:06.47 | Bushmills | pelle_k: define "stable" |
| 21:06.51 | pickcoder | jelly: -or is the same -o but it's not posix compliant |
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| 21:07.08 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I'd expect find . -type f -iname '*.css' -o -iname '*.js' [...] to work |
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| 21:07.31 | jelly-home | simonrvn: and you have "-or -iname -or '*.js'" in the second line |
| 21:07.32 | pelle_k | Bushmills, you're right, it's just that "lenny" has a reputation to be pretty stable, despite it's testing nature... |
| 21:07.56 | \amethyst | simonrvn: -a has higher precedence than -o |
| 21:08.03 | pickcoder | the manpage says [expr1] -o [expr2] |
| 21:08.12 | Bushmills | pelle_k: chances are that the connotation of your "stable" is different from what debian understands under "stable" |
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| 21:08.51 | elif | I know I can get source from debian package just using packages manager, but I would like to go to the repository of some package get anonymous access to check upgrades and so, is that possible ? |
| 21:08.53 | chops | pelle_k: "Stable" in Debian release management refers to the frequency of updates, not the reliability of the software |
| 21:08.54 | dondelelcaro | you want find . -type f -a \( -iname '*.css' -o -iname '*.js' \); |
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| 21:09.11 | dondelelcaro | elif: it's not quite clear what you're asking for |
| 21:09.12 | pelle_k | Bushmills, you're right. by stable i mean, more stable than ubuntu hardy. yep. that's it. |
| 21:09.13 | chops | elif: aptitude update; apt-cache policy thepackagenameinquestion |
| 21:09.19 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: isn't -a implied? |
| 21:09.24 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sure |
| 21:09.37 | \amethyst | jelly-home: yes, but the parentheses are necessary |
| 21:09.41 | Bushmills | pelle_k: in the debian sense, lenny is not very stable because package versions change all the time |
| 21:09.46 | jelly-home | mkdirs foo.css |
| 21:09.47 | dondelelcaro | there's no problem in making it explicit in an example |
| 21:10.55 | elif | dondelelcaro: hum... I'm seek to know if (there is) besides package manager system, some version control system and if it is possible to have access to it (as anonymous). |
| 21:11.07 | pelle_k | Bushmills, ok. thanks for the help :) i'll go with "stable" then... |
| 21:11.42 | Bushmills | pelle_k: did you understand that "stable" is not associated with "not crashing" in the debian sense? |
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| 21:12.13 | Bushmills | better, the other way around: that "not stable" is not associated with "crashing" |
| 21:12.20 | jelly-home | eh, it found foo.js/ when it shouldn't have; the parentheses around all the -o are necessary |
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| 21:12.50 | pelle_k | Bushmills, yeah i got it. I just can't take any more bugs, so i think "stable" is the one for me, even if lenny isn't crashing. |
| 21:13.18 | Bushmills | good choice, i think |
| 21:13.33 | Bushmills | beware of very recent hardware though |
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| 21:13.53 | scatterp | I have kernel 2.6.18-6-686 debian etch 1.1 and i am trying to get sound working my card is a SigmaTel STAC9205 i followed the instructions dpkg gives for alsa checklist and it did not work i was told to update the version of alsa i followed the instructions here http://nemaris.multiservers.com/dell/latituded630.html under audio which resulted in a bug with gcc |
| 21:13.53 | scatterp | i used the 1.0.16 version of alsa so i was told to try 1.0.17 i downloaded it and tryed to install it but it relies on libasound headers version >= 1.0.16 i tryed to install this from apt-get it said i had newest version already i was given a link to libasound2_1.0.16-2_i386.deb which requires libc6_2.7-10 i tryed installing this and it had a conflict with my existing version i was told i should not try to upgrade this |
| 21:13.54 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.59 | njoyce | .. |
| 21:14.02 | pelle_k | I need a newer kernel though, and thought i would update *just* the kernel from backports. that |
| 21:14.08 | pelle_k | is the plan anyway |
| 21:14.22 | Bushmills | !tell pelle_k about kmuto |
| 21:14.35 | scatterp | Bushmills, is that a better way to ask ? |
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| 21:14.41 | pickcoder | elif: http://www.debian.org/devel/cvs_packages |
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| 21:15.51 | Bushmills | scatterp: is "is this question a metaquestion" a metaquestion? |
| 21:16.00 | jelly-home | !smack Bushmills |
| 21:16.01 | dpkg | smacks Bushmills upside the head. |
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| 21:16.46 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: first off, you should use a newer kernel. Second, if your wifi fails, that's most likely because you don't have the right version of the firmware your wifi needs. |
| 21:16.56 | pelle_k | Bushmills, i didn't quite get that last part? mind explaining? |
| 21:17.09 | scatterp | Bushmills, no |
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| 21:17.21 | scatterp | pelle_k, i had to google it its at urban dictionarys |
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| 21:17.42 | elif | thks pickcoder |
| 21:17.58 | Bushmills | pelle_k: what part? |
| 21:18.02 | scatterp | dondelelcaro, but im using an older version of firmware because its an older kernel im using now and its working right ? |
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| 21:18.16 | pickcoder | elif: welcome |
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| 21:18.22 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: so? |
| 21:18.44 | pelle_k | Bushmills, kmuto, something.? LOL |
| 21:18.46 | scatterp | dondelelcaro, would that not indicate i need an older firmware version if anything? |
| 21:19.05 | Bushmills | !tell pelle_k about etchnhalf |
| 21:19.10 | scatterp | dondelelcaro, theres no bug fix listed under the bug report for it |
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| 21:19.15 | C2H5OH | anyone has package udev 0.124-2? |
| 21:19.20 | Bushmills | you can message the bot yourself btw |
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| 21:19.55 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: no |
| 21:20.29 | pelle_k | Bushmills, excellent! thanyou very much, this will com in handy. |
| 21:21.52 | scatterp | dondelelcaro, well i can reboot and try to update my wifi firmware |
| 21:22.00 | scatterp | i have the kernel installed already |
| 21:22.15 | scatterp | but its very hard to get help since the issue happens after some hours |
| 21:22.25 | scatterp | when you wont be here probebly knowing my luck |
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| 21:22.36 | scatterp | and i am not sure how to update the firmware |
| 21:22.45 | Lectus | how can I uninstall epiphany without killing the full gnome? |
| 21:22.49 | Bushmills | dpkg, botsnack from pelle_k |
| 21:22.49 | dpkg | thanks, Bushmills |
| 21:23.00 | scatterp | i did work with about 12 people here to try to fix the issue in the newer kernels with out success |
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| 21:23.34 | scatterp | i had to manualy backport some stuff too |
| 21:23.39 | porncake | anyone have any expierence using dmcrypt? |
| 21:23.48 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: which wifi card is this? |
| 21:24.04 | scatterp | actualy it was 3 all at the same time |
| 21:24.16 | scatterp | netgear atheros card |
| 21:24.21 | scatterp | intel 3945 card |
| 21:24.22 | pickcoder | a device and vendor ID would be nice |
| 21:24.26 | scatterp | and a realtek |
| 21:24.31 | Sebby | Sebby> i`m trying to compile pgtcl and i gaet an error when i do configure |
| 21:24.31 | Sebby | <Sebby> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 10049: syntax error near unexpected token `||' |
| 21:24.31 | Sebby | <Sebby> ./configure: line 10049: ` || test ! -s conftest.err'' |
| 21:24.31 | Sebby | <Sebby> can someone help me? |
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| 21:24.36 | scatterp | pickcoder, no idea what they are or how to find them |
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| 21:24.42 | pickcoder | lspci -n |
| 21:25.01 | pickcoder | lspci -v first to find the pci id's by description |
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| 21:25.12 | pickcoder | then match up the -n output |
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| 21:25.46 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/f76f2992a http://pastebin.com/f6a9b1171 |
| 21:25.57 | scatterp | note i dont have the realtek driver in right now |
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| 21:29.14 | pickcoder | scatterp: what driver is being used for the atheros |
| 21:29.33 | scatterp | madwifi |
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| 21:29.42 | pickcoder | and it doesn't work? |
| 21:29.44 | scatterp | theres also bug reports for that |
| 21:29.53 | scatterp | it works in this kernel but not if i upgrade |
| 21:30.01 | scatterp | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 21:30.22 | scatterp | http://madwifi.org/ticket/1774 |
| 21:30.24 | Bushmills | dpkg is a female bot?? |
| 21:30.25 | dpkg | i don't know, Bushmills |
| 21:30.41 | C2H5OH | lol |
| 21:30.46 | C2H5OH | dpkg udev |
| 21:30.47 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
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| 21:31.23 | C2H5OH | dpkg udev is dependent upon 2.6.18 |
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| 21:31.24 | dpkg | ...but udev is already something else... |
| 21:31.46 | C2H5OH | this is outdated |
| 21:31.48 | dhp | how can I switch the screen OFF ? (from console, like DPMS in X) |
| 21:31.54 | dhp | the soft way |
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| 21:33.50 | pickcoder | scatterp: does the device show up under iwconfig under the new kernel? |
| 21:33.58 | scatterp | yes |
| 21:34.02 | scatterp | as unassociated |
| 21:34.10 | scatterp | and i get lots of errors in dmesg |
| 21:34.14 | pickcoder | then it's a driver bug and problaby nothing to do with the firmware |
| 21:34.18 | pickcoder | probably |
| 21:34.30 | scatterp | pickcoder, yes thats where we got to before when i had the issue |
| 21:34.35 | pickcoder | you can run the kernel in debug mode if you really want to find out what's going on |
| 21:34.37 | scatterp | its reported as a open bug |
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| 21:34.56 | Bushmills | dhp, xset has someoptions for that |
| 21:35.01 | scatterp | well i dont think fixing the wifi is the way forward to fix the sound |
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| 21:35.14 | scatterp | since wifi is working now i dont want to break it :/ |
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| 21:35.42 | pickcoder | I take it alsa is broken? |
| 21:35.53 | scatterp | seems so |
| 21:35.59 | scatterp | i hear nothing |
| 21:36.01 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: and you rebuild the madwifi drivers when you upgraded? |
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| 21:36.23 | scatterp | dondelelcaro, yes it effected 3 diffrent cards one freshly installed |
| 21:36.30 | Bushmills | ehm, "console" ... sorry |
| 21:36.58 | dhp | Bushmills: isnt't xset for X ? i meant ... non X console :) I found sometimout in console-tool conf, but I am looking for a command to run |
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| 21:37.42 | pickcoder | scatterp: did you do the alsa fix from dpkg? |
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| 21:38.50 | scatterp | i think so i am not 100% sure |
| 21:39.01 | pickcoder | can't seem to find the factoid |
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| 21:39.42 | scatterp | maybe its a force memory i did a lot of stuff for a long time to install sound |
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| 21:39.51 | adama | !seen frosty |
| 21:39.52 | dpkg | frosty <n=frosty@c-71-205-167-158.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 20h 40m 50s ago, saying: 'ryty: http://tinyurl.com/6rcnuw <--- is this the crossover cable he was talking about?'. |
| 21:39.53 | scatterp | i may have done it from a website |
| 21:39.55 | dhp | scatterp: dondelelcaro : can you adice me about a Wifi card (PCI and PCMCIA) that supports brctl, or guide me to an iptable based transparent bridge ? |
| 21:40.23 | pickcoder | scatterp: make sure the channels aren't muted in alsamixer for one thing |
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| 21:40.43 | pickcoder | where the heck is that old alsa-oss fix |
| 21:40.48 | scatterp | dhp sorry i dont know |
| 21:40.51 | scatterp | pickcoder, done |
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| 21:41.55 | scatterp | dhp, you may find help with iptables in #iptables not sure how helpful they are there never been there |
| 21:42.33 | pickcoder | dhp: a wifi card should support brctl if it has host control |
| 21:42.46 | pickcoder | I.E. you can't use ndiswrapper |
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| 21:43.13 | antgel | the cups-dbg package drops a whole lot of libraries and binaries in /usr/lib/debug - is there a way to get the system to use the -dbg files by default? i assume it's a convention of some sort but nothing in /usr/share/doc/cups-dbg *sigh* |
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| 21:44.09 | pickcoder | brctl just copies the packets across the two interfaces, just like a hub so the interface has to be able to send packets across the A/P which didn't originate from the A/P |
| 21:44.27 | dhp | pickcoder: i have for example a netgear A311 (very famous) that does not accept brctl when drived with hostap ... Isome people say it work, but not with which driver (that card can work with 3 drivers) |
| 21:44.33 | dondelelcaro | antgel: they're just the symbols and such from the libraries |
| 21:44.43 | dondelelcaro | antgel: you just use gdb on the coredump, and they're used automatically |
| 21:44.47 | antgel | hmm, and the files in /usr/lib/debug aren't executable - does this mean that i can just run the normal executables under gdb and there will be symbols as if by magic? |
| 21:45.29 | pickcoder | dhp: consider an ethernet<->ethernet wireless bridge if you truely want to bridge a local and wireless interface |
| 21:45.32 | antgel | dondelelcaro: thanks, pretty much as i thought. it's not segfaulting, but i'd like to step through some of it |
| 21:45.37 | pickcoder | it will save a ton of headache |
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| 21:46.27 | pickcoder | though I have to wonder why you'd want to bridge them to start with |
| 21:46.29 | pickcoder | brb |
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| 21:46.51 | mm | FUCK YEAH |
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| 21:47.08 | antgel | dondelelcaro: what part of the toolchain knows to look in /usr/lib/debug by default, is this some new-fangled feature? |
| 21:47.11 | dhp | pickcoder: I have too many bad XP with hardware. I bought a DSL router, and it seems to crash on the 5th hour if cable is plugged on LAN instead of WAN ... and I need a bridge on the CLIENT side of wifi |
| 21:48.00 | mm | FUCK YEAH |
| 21:48.00 | adama | WOOOOO |
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| 21:48.00 | mm | bitch |
| 21:48.05 | mm | 123 |
| 21:48.08 | mm | 5456465456464654546 |
| 21:48.08 | aidehua | Is there a sarge backport of the latest bind9 ? |
| 21:48.12 | dhp | pickcoder: I am tired of my 3 layer NATed network . I want a unified network. Having 3 subnets is really hell |
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| 21:49.05 | kantor | hi, how ca I make to use ATA and ATAPI (hdx) devices as SCSI devices (sgx, scdx) ? |
| 21:50.03 | dhp | kantor: in other words: what determines is a Sata drive will be hda or sda :) |
| 21:50.10 | dhp | if* |
| 21:50.23 | scatterp | any one know a torrent related channel maybe related to developement of a torrent program ? |
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| 21:52.43 | streuner | search for *torrent* in /topic? |
| 21:53.42 | aidehua | Alternatively, I could build the latest bind9 from source, except that the bind9-doc binary package needs some *tex thing that isn't in sarge, and I don't know how to ask dpkg-buildpackage not to build the docs. |
| 21:54.09 | aidehua | (Maybe I could fiddle a Makefile, or just edit the *tex thing out of the DSC Build-Depends, and cross my fingers :) |
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| 21:54.20 | pickcoder | dhp: I don't have enough card experience with brctl to be able to state a specific wireless model. I tested it once trying to bridge a pair of 200MB radios that had no native driver support |
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| 21:55.43 | pickcoder | if hostap doesn't work with brctl then maybe it's the A/P |
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| 21:57.00 | mm | NIGGER |
| 21:57.04 | mm | NIGGER |
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| 21:57.06 | mm | NIGGER |
| 21:57.08 | mm | NIGGER |
| 21:57.12 | mm | NIGGER |
| 21:57.14 | mm | NIGGER |
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| 21:57.20 | mm | SUCK MY COCK |
| 21:57.22 | mm | SUCK IT |
| 21:57.24 | pickcoder | !ops mm is being annoying |
| 21:57.24 | mm | SUCK IT |
| 21:57.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pickcoder complains about: mm is being annoying |
| 21:57.26 | antgel | ooh, hip hop |
| 21:58.22 | mneptok | and that's the end of that chapter. |
| 21:58.22 | mneptok | waves |
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| 21:58.28 | antgel | !seen ElectricElf |
| 21:58.29 | dpkg | antgel: i haven't seen 'electricelf' |
| 21:58.37 | dhp | pickcoder: i have to find again how to make the NIC supported by an other driver ... did that too long ago |
| 21:59.03 | dhp | pickcoder: removing hostap package does not do |
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| 21:59.43 | pickcoder | dhp: are you trying to create a wireless router? |
| 22:00.21 | dhp | pickcoder: home made for me only, yes. It works as NAT since long time, but, as I said, I want to remove NAT, and just bridge. |
| 22:00.52 | dhp | pickcoder: birdge or routing is very easy with 802.3 ... but on 802.11 NAT has always been easier |
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| 22:02.34 | pickcoder | what's wrong with having a nic and a wifi on two subnets? |
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| 22:04.08 | dhp | pickcoder: to make machines communicate, you need complex routing tables. I could do standard routing, but this would mean that the net in th emiddle would need multiple routing tables. And multiple net/route/gateways does not look possible automatically : |
| 22:04.29 | dhp | i must have one DHCP per network, and each of them should deliver multiple gateways; did not find how |
| 22:04.56 | dhp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.01 | pickcoder | the cable/dsl modem has pass-through support? |
| 22:05.17 | dhp | having a unified network ( aka bridged from end to end) would make things easier |
| 22:05.21 | wastro | so I lost a window forever in my computer somewhere |
| 22:05.44 | petemc | dhp: i have a script i use to set up dhcpd3 for my network, with mutliple subnets |
| 22:05.48 | dhp | wastro: wrong window ? |
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| 22:06.15 | \amethyst | wastro: hm, does metacity have a keyboard binding for 'move window' ? |
| 22:06.31 | dhp | petemc: off topic: I want to do iptables based transparent bridging. |
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| 22:06.43 | wastro | nm |
| 22:06.57 | petemc | dhp: dont you want ebtables then? |
| 22:06.57 | dhp | pickcoder: i dont get your point |
| 22:07.08 | dhp | petemc: maybe ... |
| 22:07.23 | dhp | petemc: but ebtables tutos are very rare |
| 22:07.45 | pickcoder | dhp: you will have a static IP on the cable nic side |
| 22:07.46 | dhp | petemc: brctl fails, I need iptables/ebtables |
| 22:07.54 | pickcoder | not yet-another-local-ip |
| 22:08.07 | petemc | dhp: i think what you need is patience and a willingness to learn |
| 22:08.18 | dhp | pickcoder: IPs is not a problem |
| 22:08.40 | pickcoder | it's not hard to setup a couple of routing tables using iproute2 |
| 22:09.54 | dhp | petemc: I am tired of bugged things. Last month, I discovered a bug in the DI-624 by Dlink. Last week, in the KVM TK-801R by TrendNet : i found a bug in a KVM !!! and, I am tired of various bugs in routers, NICs, cards ... |
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| 22:10.18 | dhp | petemc: every time I take time to go depth into things, I discover a bug. |
| 22:10.22 | petemc | dhp: when you find software without bugs, let me know |
| 22:10.49 | pickcoder | dhp: PCWrap boards are nice |
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| 22:12.28 | samplr | what packages contain actual pre-compiled kernels? I want to see if x86 rdev works on a mips kernel |
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| 22:12.57 | dhp | pickcoder: what do they do ? |
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| 22:13.55 | dhp | samplr: linux-image-2.6 wil depend on what you want. You can also wuery linux-image-ARCH |
| 22:14.14 | lunxer | Hello, after installing mdadm, my system will not boot, anyone know what i can do? |
| 22:14.16 | pickcoder | they're for embedded wireless routing apps |
| 22:14.32 | dhp | samplr: actual kernels are in linux-image-2.6.* (for 2.6; 2.4 are in kernel* packages) |
| 22:15.05 | buu | lunxer: How far does it get? |
| 22:15.16 | dhp | lunxer: you should have some rescue kernel aside. |
| 22:15.45 | dhp | lunxer: depends: do you have md chains around or not ? |
| 22:16.02 | lunxer | buu, somthing like vfs cant load sda1 |
| 22:16.34 | lunxer | dhp, im on a live cd now, chrooted |
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| 22:17.04 | lunxer | thing is, im not even going to use sda1 in the raid |
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| 22:17.33 | samplr | dhp: I wonder if they precompile mips kernels |
| 22:17.38 | lunxer | though i think i accidently choosed all in the install |
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| 22:18.36 | samplr | dhp: oh, cool, seems they do |
| 22:18.38 | nicktastique | Anyone know how to tell Debian's update-grub which device the system is on? It thinks my system is on hd2,2 when it is on hd0,2, and kernel upgrades automatically generate a menu.lst which is incorrect.... |
| 22:19.25 | dhp | lunxer: copy the CD kernel to disk, edit bootloadr conf ... anyway, mdadm should not have altered your old kernels; so, the problem is likely to be a kernel argument problem |
| 22:19.53 | dhp | nicktastique: you dont |
| 22:20.06 | Guerin | !nickometer nicktastique |
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| 22:20.08 | dpkg | 'nicktastique' is 0.000% lame, guerin |
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| 22:20.25 | Guerin | nicktastique: congratulations, yours is. |
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| 22:20.41 | nicktastique | dhp: What do I need to do to get update-grub to generate a menu.lst using the correct boot device? |
| 22:20.44 | nicktastique | Guerin: What? |
| 22:20.47 | lunxer | dhp, hmm, im using a knoppix live cd, should i really use this kernel |
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| 22:21.00 | Guerin | nicktastique: your nick. It is tastique. Officially. |
| 22:21.00 | dhp | lunxer: as long as it boots ... |
| 22:21.55 | dhp | nicktastique: the # groot= line ? |
| 22:22.10 | pickcoder | !nickometer pickcoder |
| 22:22.12 | dpkg | 'pickcoder' is 0.000% lame, pickcoder |
| 22:22.14 | lunxer | dhp, do you know anything about this, when im trying to remove mdadm, this error shows up |
| 22:22.17 | lunxer | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-486 has been altered. Cannot update. |
| 22:22.43 | lunxer | and after that something about invoke-rc.d |
| 22:23.02 | nicktastique | dhp: If I set groot in menu.lst, it will just be overwritten when the kernel is upgraded. |
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| 22:23.38 | dhp | nicktastique: groot gets overwritten ??? |
| 22:24.37 | nicktastique | dhp: I am under the impression that menu.lst gets overwritten (auto-generated) by update-grub, so any changes I make to menu.lst will be overwritten the next time upgrade-grub is run during kernel upgrade. |
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| 22:24.41 | dhp | nicktastique: do you leave the single hash "#" in front ? |
| 22:25.10 | dhp | nicktastique: no no, it's half reparsed; if you respect some syntax, it's ok |
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| 22:25.50 | nicktastique | Ah so it only auto-gens some of menu.lst and leaves some of it intact? |
| 22:25.51 | dhp | lunxer: I had it once; since then, I never used mdadm on working debian. I use MD on Gentoo, and it works reliably. |
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| 22:26.11 | nicktastique | I will give that a try. Thanks for the help! |
| 22:26.17 | lunxer | dhp, aright |
| 22:26.44 | dhp | lunxer: MD problems in debian are hell. I keep backups in case. I also remember that once, I had to switch the RD creator ... |
| 22:26.56 | dhp | lunaphyte: remove the default debian one, and install an equivalent |
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| 22:27.05 | bmh | i'm having trouble getting my network card to work. it worked for the net-install but now that the system has booted normally, it's not working |
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| 22:27.22 | bmh | i had to configure the card manually during the installation (dhcp didnt work) |
| 22:27.27 | bmh | i've since updated /etc/network/interface |
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| 22:27.40 | bmh | the interface comes up, shows in ifconfig, has an ip etc |
| 22:27.43 | dhp | lunaphyte: try to remove/rename the RD, and also try to install a different RD creator |
| 22:27.48 | bmh | there's a link light etc |
| 22:27.55 | bmh | but it's not sending/receiving packets |
| 22:28.02 | bmh | where should i look? :) |
| 22:28.12 | petemc | dmesg, messages |
| 22:28.51 | dhp | nicktastique: you left, cant help you any more ! |
| 22:28.56 | pickcoder | look at the ifconfig segment and make sure it's actually working |
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| 22:29.13 | bmh | nope, nothing special in dmesg or messages |
| 22:29.25 | pickcoder | up broadcast running multicast, etc |
| 22:29.26 | bmh | pickcoder, which ifconfig segment? |
| 22:29.31 | bmh | in /etc/network/interface? |
| 22:29.36 | pickcoder | it should show rx and tx bytes also |
| 22:29.38 | pingouin | someone run an Wacom graphic tablet here ? |
| 22:29.47 | dhp | bmh: ifconfig has a packet counter: check if the IN counter is incremented |
| 22:30.05 | dhp | bmh: try to use ifdown/ifup to let the system configure it |
| 22:30.32 | bmh | the interface is UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST etc |
| 22:30.43 | bmh | transmitted 21 packets, recieved none (those were my attempts to ping the router_ |
| 22:30.44 | dhp | bmh: mii-tools can check the connectivity; it avoids looking under the table :) |
| 22:30.52 | bmh | i used ifup/ifdown |
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| 22:31.02 | dhp | bmh: received none is a problem. |
| 22:31.14 | pickcoder | collisions maybe? |
| 22:31.24 | bmh | mm doubt collisions |
| 22:31.39 | dhp | bmh: can you ping from an other machine ? ping from an other, and check if this one get incomings |
| 22:31.51 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 22:31.52 | bmh | nope, tried pinging from both directions |
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| 22:32.02 | dhp | bmh: never in ? |
| 22:32.18 | vadmeste | Do anyone know a shell term that has log feature ? |
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| 22:32.24 | bmh | mii-tool says SIOCGMIIPHY on`eth0` failed, operation not permitted |
| 22:32.31 | bmh | dhp, yep, never in |
| 22:32.37 | dhp | bmh: check connectivity with mii-tools, and publish network/interface on pastebin |
| 22:32.40 | vadmeste | sometimes, I need to review what I have typed |
| 22:32.41 | bmh | tx 21 packets out (when i tried to ping out i guess) |
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| 22:33.27 | dhp | bmh: hapenned to me that just looking at the plug made the light light !!! once back on keyboard, only mii could confirm that when I get up, cable fades away |
| 22:33.34 | pickcoder | bmh: try ethtool instead |
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| 22:34.15 | bmh | pickcoder, ethtool isn't installed :/ |
| 22:34.25 | vadmeste | I don't wanna to copy from gnome-terminal and paste into a file !! |
| 22:34.29 | bmh | dhp, heh, no such luck here ;) |
| 22:34.42 | bmh | should i try hitting it? ;) |
| 22:34.50 | MuffinFlavored | Is there a future Debian release already planned? |
| 22:34.54 | petemc | percussive maintenance |
| 22:35.08 | petemc | MuffinFlavored: yes, as always |
| 22:35.12 | bmh | heh, thats a good one |
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| 22:35.33 | dhp | pickcoder: ethtool has pages long --help !!! |
| 22:35.33 | \amethyst | MuffinFlavored: it's code-named "lenny" |
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| 22:36.01 | pickcoder | ethtool <device> |
| 22:36.10 | MuffinFlavored | I see. So, sid will become lenny? |
| 22:36.18 | bmh | ethtool: command not found |
| 22:36.26 | MuffinFlavored | No. That is unstable. Lenny is testing. I see. :) |
| 22:36.27 | pickcoder | bmh: you may have to install it |
| 22:36.32 | dhp | bmh: card worked when you configured manually during install ? this is normal if you dont have dhcp |
| 22:36.39 | pickcoder | Lenny is Lenny.. |
| 22:36.42 | pickcoder | it is currently in testing |
| 22:36.45 | bmh | dhp, yep i did a net install |
| 22:36.47 | pickcoder | Etch will eventually be old-stable |
| 22:36.52 | pickcoder | and Lenny will become stable |
| 22:36.58 | bmh | dhcpd failed, however it is running on the network (and the machine sitting right next to it worked) |
| 22:37.06 | pickcoder | Sid will always be Sid |
| 22:37.10 | bmh | however i've manually put in the settings into /etc/network/interfaces and used ifup |
| 22:37.10 | dhp | bmh: if cards worked that way during install, and not when you do it manually NOW, I discovered ONCE that ... the only thing that changed, was ... the kernel ! |
| 22:37.25 | bmh | ifconfig shows the interface up with the right ip and netmask etc |
| 22:37.25 | dhp | bmh: once, I had to extract the kernel from the install CD to get a NIC work |
| 22:37.36 | bmh | ugh |
| 22:37.41 | pickcoder | bmh: what nic is it |
| 22:37.43 | dhp | bmh: it was the same version as the installed one, but not exactly with the same options |
| 22:37.59 | bmh | its a xircom...somethingorother *checks* |
| 22:38.03 | pickcoder | lspci -v |
| 22:38.21 | dhp | bmh: so: try a different 2.6, try a 2.4 ... expecially with ne2k, ISA, or low cost PCI cards |
| 22:38.27 | pickcoder | er try without -v first |
| 22:38.34 | dhp | bmh: a card not supported by mii is a lowcost anyway :) |
| 22:39.06 | dhp | bmh: I use only 3COM and Intel. what's your crap ? |
| 22:39.23 | dhp | can you change it ? |
| 22:39.25 | bmh | i tried two 3com cards before i resorted to this one |
| 22:40.00 | bmh | odd thing is, during the install, the switch lights reported that it was in half duplex, but now the FDX light is on.. |
| 22:40.15 | dhp | bmh: changed the cable ? |
| 22:40.23 | bmh | nope, exactly the same set up |
| 22:41.11 | bmh | they were 3com: 3C574-TX and 3CCFE575CT |
| 22:41.15 | dhp | i also meant: you should try a new one :) |
| 22:41.21 | bmh | i found some posts that said debian had troubles with them.. |
| 22:41.25 | dhp | PCMCIA ... |
| 22:41.26 | bmh | will try them now, though |
| 22:41.35 | dhp | i know their ref by heart |
| 22:41.51 | pickcoder | is this a lappy? |
| 22:41.56 | dhp | yup :) |
| 22:42.00 | dhp | has to |
| 22:42.41 | dhp | unless I mistake with their USB onces (i dont want to think about it ) |
| 22:42.43 | bmh | yep, laptop |
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| 22:42.58 | pickcoder | not really.. there are miniPCI cards in PCI adapters sold as "PCI" cards |
| 22:43.07 | pickcoder | the chipsets are totally different than the normal PCI series |
| 22:43.08 | bmh | ok, i put one of the 3com cards in, do i have to do some magic to detect it? |
| 22:43.12 | bmh | dmesg didnt report anything |
| 22:43.23 | pickcoder | lspci |
| 22:43.28 | pickcoder | if it shows up it was detected |
| 22:43.35 | dhp | bmh: if you have normal laptop daemons, it should detect it |
| 22:43.44 | bmh | last entry from lspci was for the xircom |
| 22:44.04 | bmh | this is a fresh install, and i had the "laptop" option selected during installation |
| 22:44.26 | dhp | i am on laptop atm ... as i switch the Wifi card, it get connected to the AP. |
| 22:44.50 | dhp | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 22:44.50 | dhp | auto wlan0 |
| 22:44.50 | dhp | iface wlan0 inet static |
| 22:44.59 | bmh | i've put the other 3com card in as well and dmesg and lspci both list nothing |
| 22:45.03 | dhp | (folowed by ordinary things) |
| 22:45.05 | bmh | :/ |
| 22:45.28 | dhp | bmh: maybe you need some cardctl insert ? |
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| 22:46.29 | woodgrain | can someone recommend a tutorial on installer a user terminal ... I only seem to have gksu. |
| 22:46.50 | pickcoder | bmh: try modprobe 3c574_cs |
| 22:46.59 | orveldv | woodgrain: what? |
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| 22:47.50 | woodgrain | orveldv, dude it's true I can only run a root terminal. I'm a neophyte. |
| 22:48.32 | orveldv | woodgrain: well ok, I didn't really get it what you need |
| 22:49.04 | woodgrain | orveldv, this is my first time using unstable. I want to run a regular bash terminal but i only have gksu. |
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| 22:49.15 | woodgrain | I don't want to have to login via root terminal. |
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| 22:49.41 | mylvari | what DE are you using? |
| 22:49.51 | orveldv | woodgrain: ok so you have a graphical interface, right? |
| 22:50.13 | dhp | woodgrain: you can abandon your root rights using "su user" |
| 22:50.22 | bmh | pickcoder, thanks but that didnt work |
| 22:50.30 | dhp | woodgrain: you may need to create a user :) |
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| 22:50.40 | bmh | i just rebooted, now i've got a link light with the 3com, ifconfig doesnt show the device |
| 22:51.03 | woodgrain | dhp, I'm running gnome under a simple user account. but weird thing is that I don't have to have any credentials to get the root terminal. |
| 22:51.07 | dhp | bmh: some one said you should modprobe to help :) |
| 22:51.28 | bmh | dhp, yep, tried that but it didnt work :) |
| 22:51.30 | dhp | woodgrain: open a user terminal; gat root afterwards |
| 22:51.38 | pickcoder | bmh: to figure this out you need to figure out which kernel module the device uses |
| 22:51.40 | orveldv | woodgrain: then open your "poor" terminal and type "su -" |
| 22:51.57 | orveldv | and type the root password afterwards |
| 22:52.01 | pickcoder | if the 3C574 is functional then it should work fine if all the modules are loaded |
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| 22:52.27 | dhp | bmh: ifconfig only shows configured NICs; unconfed are hidden; |
| 22:52.36 | woodgrain | dhp, in gnome all I have is "root terminal" ... alt-F2 yields no actual terminal (user terminal) that I can find. |
| 22:52.42 | bmh | dhp ah ok |
| 22:52.42 | bmh | well |
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| 22:52.48 | pickcoder | ifconfig -a will show all |
| 22:52.49 | bmh | i just did mii-tool |
| 22:53.00 | bmh | and it says |
| 22:53.03 | dhp | bmh: you must ask for it explicitely: "ifconfig eth1" ... will say ERROR if not exist, or give your MAC if exist unconfigured |
| 22:53.31 | bmh | eth0 negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 22:53.33 | bmh | eth1 negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 22:53.39 | dhp | bmh: beloved 3COM :) |
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| 22:54.01 | woodgrain | dhp, what's gat root afterwards mean? |
| 22:54.01 | dhp | bmh: ifconfig them manually, one by one |
| 22:54.08 | dhp | woodgrain: ? |
| 22:54.24 | pickcoder | bmh: what are using in /etc/interfaces for eth0 and eth1? |
| 22:54.29 | dhp | woodgrain: if you have a user console, you can become root by typing "su -" |
| 22:54.37 | bmh | i still have /etc/network/interfaces configed for eth0 |
| 22:54.38 | bmh | i have |
| 22:54.39 | Bushmills | woodgrain: install one (or some of all) of xterm, rxvt, xvt, eterm |
| 22:54.40 | saucerful | i have a web application running on a certain port(8000). how can i use iptables (or something else?) to block all requests that come from outside my LAN? |
| 22:54.41 | dhp | woodgrain: if you are root, and want to become user, type "su user" |
| 22:54.49 | bmh | iface eth0 inet static |
| 22:54.57 | bmh | address 192.168.0.5 |
| 22:54.58 | dhp | bmh: get NIC work manualy first; then we automate the process |
| 22:55.01 | bmh | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:55.06 | bmh | ok |
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| 22:55.32 | orveldv | Bushmills: well he's using gnome, let him have gnome-terminal ;) |
| 22:55.35 | dhp | bmh: dont forget to conf NICs in different network, otherwise, all ping get throught the same one :) |
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| 22:55.48 | bmh | dhp, good point, i will remove one now |
| 22:56.03 | woodgrain | Bushmills, why are these called "emulators" and just "terminals"?? |
| 22:56.07 | biopyte | folks, what is a good app to monitor the wifi connection when youre using only a windowmanager like E or whatever, instead of a desktop like gnome, kde |
| 22:56.11 | Bushmills | orveldv: the more xterms he has, the more prominent they show in the menu |
| 22:56.20 | saucerful | for E17 there is Exalt |
| 22:56.28 | dhp | bmh: you can test 2 NICs on the same hub, and only one PC on th eother point, by using aliases: on the remote box: ifconfig eth1:1 192.168.1.111 ; ifconfig eth1:2 192.168.2.111 |
| 22:56.38 | Bushmills | woodgrain: x terminals. they put a window on the screen in which a shell runs |
| 22:56.47 | dhp | bmh: that way, you test 3 nics at a time :) |
| 22:57.21 | Bushmills | like gnome-terminal but a bit simpler. some of those have no buttons or toolbar or menu or such |
| 22:57.34 | saucerful | biopyte: exalt, and also wicd is gtk and easier to install (its in the repos) |
| 22:57.42 | biopyte | saucerful, thanks, exactly what i,ve been looking for. hopefully works. |
| 22:57.51 | biopyte | ok |
| 22:58.08 | orveldv | biopyte: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ (not tested) |
| 22:58.14 | dhp | biopyte: gkrellm has a module; there is also wmwifi and many clones |
| 22:58.22 | woodgrain | Bushmills, thanks for the help. Is there any reason to use a particular terminal emulator (of the ones you listed)?? |
| 22:58.38 | woodgrain | I've got xterm now and it's doing what it's supposed to. |
| 22:58.40 | dhp | biopyte: there are e_modules; but I prefer wavemon :) |
| 22:59.05 | dhp | bmh: yesterday, some of my computer had 5 IPs per NIC :) |
| 22:59.28 | saucerful | i have a web application running on a certain port(8000). how can i use iptables (or something else?) to block all requests that come from outside my LAN? |
| 22:59.32 | Bushmills | personal preference, mostly. compactness, speed and lack of features shape preference. |
| 22:59.43 | dhp | bmh: this helps a log when testing routes throught 2 parallel gateways |
| 22:59.51 | biopyte | preparing to install E on a eeePC, :) |
| 23:00.11 | dhp | biopyte: \o/ take a shot, and send the the E team :) |
| 23:00.20 | bmh | dhp hehe |
| 23:00.21 | bmh | ok |
| 23:00.25 | bmh | i do |
| 23:00.30 | bmh | ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.10 |
| 23:00.42 | bmh | it says setting full duplex |
| 23:00.43 | orveldv | Bushmills: what about mrxvt? works nicely here. |
| 23:00.46 | bmh | ifconfig shows an ip etc |
| 23:00.58 | dhp | make it sens :) eth1 192.168.1.201 eth2 192.168.2.201 |
| 23:00.58 | bmh | but then pinging 192.168.0.1 says destination host unreachable |
| 23:00.59 | biopyte | dhp, first i need the box ... preorder ;) |
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| 23:01.05 | Bushmills | orveldv: yes. ok too |
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| 23:01.59 | sobersabre | is ther a debian offtopic chan ? :) |
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| 23:02.04 | dhp | bmh: does 0.1 exist ? |
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| 23:02.21 | bmh | yep, its the router |
| 23:02.30 | dhp | bmh: check your routes: route -n |
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| 23:02.32 | bmh | i removed eth2 and rebooted |
| 23:02.48 | bmh | i have |
| 23:02.55 | dhp | bmh: if the router is Linux, you can alias it. Really more simple :) |
| 23:03.23 | bmh | destination: 192.168.0.0 , gateway 0.0.0.0, genmask 255.255.255.0, use if eth1 |
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| 23:04.00 | dhp | sobersabre: #defocus ? |
| 23:04.13 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:04.17 | sobersabre | I'll try. |
| 23:04.30 | dhp | sobersabre: /topic says: #debian-offtopic ! |
| 23:05.06 | bmh | hmmm |
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| 23:05.57 | dhp | bmh: to make it short: 3 NICs baheva the same way, work during install, not in prod; it's chipset independant, mi confirms cable is ok ... ifconfig says there are no incoming packets: re-install ! |
| 23:06.05 | dhp | bmh: possible an other distro |
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| 23:06.14 | dhp | or an other debian version |
| 23:06.25 | dhp | possibly |
| 23:06.35 | bmh | groan |
| 23:06.36 | bmh | really? :) |
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| 23:06.55 | bmh | really dont want to have to do this |
| 23:07.03 | dhp | bmh: you spent 1h on this; how much time to install a minimal ? |
| 23:07.22 | bmh | dunno, bout the same? |
| 23:07.33 | bmh | really wanted to just get these two machines running the exact same set up |
| 23:07.40 | dhp | bmh: otherwise, check with a live CD; once you get something working, pick the kernel of it |
| 23:07.46 | bmh | i'm setting up a test bed; i'm a programmer by trade |
| 23:08.02 | bmh | so you reckon its the chipsets? |
| 23:08.32 | dhp | bmh: you need a working cession; once you got it, you can come back to the non working one, and by dichotomy, you find the trigger problem |
| 23:08.44 | dhp | bmh: no, the kernel |
| 23:09.08 | bmh | mrmm |
| 23:09.26 | bmh | i'll try swapping these nics; the working one into this laptop, the 3com into the other laptop |
| 23:09.32 | dhp | i had that problem many times: loosing eth0 after kernel update, get it back when booting old kernels |
| 23:09.43 | dhp | ESPECIALLY with *debian* !!! |
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| 23:10.08 | dhp | several box, several times, from 2001 to 2006 ... several chipsets, different arch |
| 23:10.23 | petemc | did you file bug reports? |
| 23:10.52 | dhp | petemc: I reported about 50% problems i had. I could not report for machines that I did not own myself. |
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| 23:11.12 | petemc | dhp: do you have the bug numbers to hand? |
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| 23:11.35 | dhp | petemc: I never reported this kind of NIC problem, because I never encontour it on my machines. |
| 23:11.38 | scatterp | wo bu zhi dao |
| 23:12.36 | dhp | petemc: but I reported dozens of bugs on other topics; some about the kernel (especially one about an SCSI controlle, and one about X, SMP, and multiple PCI bus) |
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| 23:13.06 | bmh | ok, with the other (confirmed working) nic in the problematic laptop, i can ping out |
| 23:13.18 | bmh | except it says Interrupts dropped occasionally |
| 23:13.36 | dhp | bmh: so, what is broken: the NIC ? laptop ? kernel ? |
| 23:13.47 | RichiH | this is a basic C question, yet i gotta ask. isn't gcc supposed to find all header files in /usr/include all by itself? |
| 23:14.01 | RichiH | if not, what env var do i set to make it find the stuff in there? |
| 23:14.13 | dhp | RichiH: you must #include what you need |
| 23:14.25 | Gunman1982 | can someone help with a problem where the kernel can't find the harddisk anymore? |
| 23:15.06 | dhp | RichiH: there is a gcc option to add search directories. you *MUST* say what headers you need; gcc will search for them in all directories he has been informed about. |
| 23:15.16 | bmh | dhp, looks like the NIC/kernel combo |
| 23:15.22 | dhp | bmh: :) |
| 23:15.25 | bmh | :) |
| 23:15.28 | dhp | bmh: try an other kernel :) |
| 23:15.28 | bmh | i know:) |
| 23:15.33 | bmh | ugh, is that much work? |
| 23:16.07 | dhp | bmh: take the one of the install CD, or from a working Knoppix |
| 23:16.09 | RichiH | dhp: it is #includ'ed, of course |
| 23:16.39 | dhp | RichiH: from memory, -L or -D ( with 80% probability my memory is wrong) |
| 23:16.54 | phreak | pwd |
| 23:17.01 | phreak | Bah! I hate echinus :P |
| 23:17.03 | De_Mon | I'm tring to do some audio converting with faad and lame. faad -o -w "foo.m4a" | lame - "foo.mp3" gives me a 4k empty file. |
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| 23:17.31 | De_Mon | faad -o -w "foo.m4a" > foo.wav; cat foo.m4a | lame - "foo.mp3" works fine though... |
| 23:17.38 | foo | CBL told me I was banned for this reason: "In short, this IP is impersonating (via SMTP HELO command) being a domain we know it _cannot_ be." ... which means I have a proxy on my server somewhere, but I can't seem to narrow it down. I've done netstat -nap and checked all listening ports... everything looks legit. Anything else I can check? |
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| 23:18.10 | simonrvn | install chkrootkit |
| 23:18.13 | bmh | ok, will investigate further |
| 23:18.20 | bmh | thanks for your help dhp and everyone else! :) |
| 23:18.22 | bmh | appreciate it |
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| 23:18.42 | \amethyst | foo: are you sure it's not that the HELO is wrong? |
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| 23:18.55 | dhp | bmh: especially: find a working kernel from live CD, and, never expect anything to work as expected :) |
| 23:18.55 | orveldv | De_Mon: cat | lame is UUOC for sure. |
| 23:19.09 | RichiH | dhp: heh, k |
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| 23:19.29 | De_Mon | how else do you pile a file to another command? |
| 23:19.32 | dhp | bmh: week discovery: my KVM does not switch when i press buttons if some particular PC is on |
| 23:20.00 | dhp | fact some PC is on make KVM freese, even if active port was an other one |
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| 23:20.21 | orveldv | De_Mon: lame takes the inpot and output files as arguments ; why in the world would you cat smth to it? |
| 23:20.32 | orveldv | s/inpot/input |
| 23:20.51 | De_Mon | orveldv maybe you missed the part where I'm trying to pipe the output of faad into lame and it's faililng. so I pipe from faad to a file and pipe file into lame and it works. so why can't I pipe from one command to the other. |
| 23:21.05 | dhp | RichiH: i dont have anything by hand. But you will have examples in the Makefile of any project: all project have to include their own libs ... |
| 23:21.26 | De_Mon | http://www.scottklarr.com/topic/70/linux-m4a-to-mp3-converter-shell-script/ |
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| 23:21.41 | foo | \amethyst: well, I think it is... someone is abusing my server via proxy, and changing the HELO, to my understanding |
| 23:21.47 | RichiH | dhp: it turns out that my apt-file cache was old |
| 23:21.57 | RichiH | dhp: so the problem prolly solves itself, right now |
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| 23:22.44 | dhp | RichiH: -I -big i ) |
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| 23:23.15 | RichiH | dhp: ta! |
| 23:23.26 | Nyle | capital |
| 23:23.27 | Nyle | not big |
| 23:23.27 | dhp | i for includes "of course" |
| 23:26.20 | Gunman1982 | anyone has an idea what to do when the kernel tells you the journaling of the partition is not accessible (/dev/hda2) and you should run e2fsck but there is no /dev/hda2? |
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| 23:28.02 | Bushmills | Gunman1982: look with fdisk -l what your partitions are |
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| 23:30.12 | Gunman1982 | the problem is, on debian the disk was recognized as hda, hda2 for /root, hda3 swap, hda4 / ... grub is loaded, / is loaded but there is not one file named hda in / where there should be at least the disk |
| 23:30.39 | Gunman1982 | if i boot up an ubuntu live cd the disk is recognized as sda ... puzzles me a little bit |
| 23:31.34 | Bushmills | hda is not a file. it is your disk drive |
| 23:31.47 | De_Mon | everything in linux is a file! |
| 23:31.53 | De_Mon | even directories are files |
| 23:31.58 | De_Mon | :P |
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| 23:32.21 | Bushmills | s/is/can be represented as/ |
| 23:32.32 | De_Mon | http://www.linux.com/articles/32543 |
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| 23:32.54 | Nyle | you're a file! |
| 23:32.57 | Gunman1982 | ok I will rephrase, there should be a "..." in /dev/ with the name hda, because its my hdd ... but there is not ... still / is mounted on hda4 (can see it when I type mount) however if I unmount it I can't mount it again |
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| 23:33.46 | De_Mon | blah, I'll just skip the piping, it would be super cool if it WORKED, but not manditory. |
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| 23:34.34 | orveldv | De_Mon: yeah, skip everything. |
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| 23:36.20 | Nyle | mandatory |
| 23:36.35 | humbolt | I am having a little problem with screen. I have screen running as user A. I log in as user B and do sudo su - A. Then I run screen -x. But it tells me: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
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| 23:37.22 | Gunman1982 | screens are bound to the user which started them |
| 23:37.23 | Nyle | don't use sudo with su |
| 23:37.29 | petemc | humbolt: as root, chown userb `tty` ; su - userb ; screen -x |
| 23:38.08 | Gunman1982 | oh didn't see the A sry forget my comment |
| 23:38.31 | humbolt | petemc: is there no simpler way? |
| 23:38.34 | Nyle | petemc, as I found out yesterday, backticks are no more |
| 23:38.37 | Nyle | petemc, $() |
| 23:38.42 | petemc | .. |
| 23:38.48 | petemc | they work |
| 23:38.51 | Nyle | yes they do |
| 23:39.04 | Nyle | but someone strongly suggested that to use $() is better |
| 23:39.10 | orveldv | but there's so much fuss about them |
| 23:39.12 | Nyle | I thought `` worked just fine.. |
| 23:39.18 | petemc | humbolt: there is, screen allows for this, i cant recall offhand tho |
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| 23:39.43 | humbolt | can I access user A's screen from user B, maybe without the su diversion? |
| 23:40.05 | Nyle | humbolt, login as user B, su userA, screen -dr |
| 23:40.18 | Nyle | if thats what you are talking about |
| 23:40.53 | Nyle | ohj without |
| 23:41.32 | Bushmills | humbolt: read about multiuser on, acladd, aclchg in screen man page |
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| 23:42.33 | Nyle | pokes petemc |
| 23:42.53 | petemc | 'lo |
| 23:42.57 | Nyle | hey there |
| 23:43.00 | Nyle | its all your fault! |
| 23:43.03 | Bushmills | humbolt: but still, screen needs to be set suid for this |
| 23:43.05 | petemc | as always |
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| 23:43.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:44.06 | petemc | im drinking murphys instead of guinness, its not as nice |
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| 23:45.05 | Nyle | damn drug user! |
| 23:45.15 | petemc | you dont know the half of it :) |
| 23:45.18 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:45.50 | humbolt | why is this so complicated with screen? there must be a simpler way! |
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| 23:46.06 | Nyle | its not complicated |
| 23:46.11 | Nyle | you just don't know it |
| 23:46.21 | Nyle | once you know it, it will cease to be complex. |
| 23:46.31 | petemc | humbolt: what i suggested works, i use it to spy on my users or type shit into their irc window all the time |
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| 23:46.48 | humbolt | Nyle: of course. |
| 23:46.54 | Superbartt | just write data to the /dev/tty? :+ |
| 23:47.11 | orveldv | petemc: not nice. |
| 23:47.24 | petemc | orveldv: very judgemental |
| 23:47.36 | petemc | you dont know muy users.. |
| 23:47.41 | Bushmills | humbolt: because was it too easy, it'd be a huge security risk |
| 23:47.47 | Nyle | if you own the system, its your right to know what the fuck is going on |
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| 23:48.26 | orveldv | petemc: true ; but what I know is that I would kick your ass for doing it to me :-) |
| 23:48.27 | Nyle | and if you admin the system |
| 23:48.34 | Nyle | it is your DUTY to know wtf is going on. |
| 23:48.38 | humbolt | I am just wondering, when I su to be the user already, why can I not attach to his screen then? |
| 23:48.42 | Bushmills | and instructing it to turn multiuser on, and whomay access the session is not that complicated |
| 23:49.10 | humbolt | I know, because screen can't attach to the terminal of my original user |
| 23:49.25 | Superbartt | it can humbolt, you just need to change the permissions of the tty |
| 23:49.52 | humbolt | Bushmills: can that be done even when screen is already running? I can not stop the processes running in screen! |
| 23:50.16 | Bushmills | humbolt: yes. you can type that in screen as command |
| 23:50.18 | humbolt | Superbartt: that just seems a little intrusive to me. |
| 23:50.31 | Superbartt | humbolt, no on your own TTY |
| 23:50.59 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.08 | Superbartt | you su'ed to userY, you are userX and your tty is owned by userX, userY wants to use the tty but doesn't has the permission |
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| 23:51.25 | humbolt | Bushmills: you are right. I just don't want to take ownership of the tty back and forth |
| 23:51.32 | Superbartt | chmod 777 :p |
| 23:52.08 | Nyle | no |
| 23:52.11 | Bushmills | humbolt, in screen, press ctrl-A, and then :multiuser on |
| 23:52.42 | Bushmills | then ctrl-a :acladd username |
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| 23:55.29 | Nyle | I Use Debian GNU/Linu |
| 23:55.37 | Nyle | My desktop is KDE and Command Line |
| 23:55.56 | humbolt | Bushmills: so far so good |
| 23:56.29 | De_Mon | orveldv thanks, you've been most helpful. |
| 23:56.50 | orveldv | De_Mon: really? how come? |
| 23:57.39 | orveldv | I just told you about a UUOC. |
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| 23:58.18 | humbolt | Bushmills: how to connect to the screen session then? do I have to do su still? I would assume not. |
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| 23:58.43 | magyar | anyone using courier with winbind? |
| 23:58.44 | Bushmills | no, you specify the session. for example, screen -x user/ |
| 23:59.27 | humbolt | Bushmills: just figured it out, tnx though. what is the difference between screen -r user/ and screen -x user/ ? |
| 23:59.52 | Bushmills | do you want me to paste the man page? or can you look there yourself? |
