| 00:00.00 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:00.06 | Nyle | paste the manpage! |
| 00:00.41 | Bushmills | http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/screen.1.gz?type=man |
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| 00:03.09 | skyrke | Does anyone know if you can get the position of a color in an image with imagemagick? |
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| 00:04.22 | Nyle | not sure how |
| 00:04.40 | Nyle | but you CAN list the value of a certain pixel (dunno how_ |
| 00:04.41 | Nyle | ) |
| 00:04.52 | Nyle | but you can/should be able to get the rgb value of a certain pixel |
| 00:04.55 | humbolt | Bushmills: works great, tnx! |
| 00:05.33 | Nyle | (back when I was coding windows apps, the way to load a file was to create an array for the pixel's values |
| 00:05.57 | Nyle | im sure you can do something similar but i dunno how to with imagemagick |
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| 00:06.05 | skyrke | Nyle: such as getting X,Y coords of the color position in the image? |
| 00:06.13 | Nyle | no |
| 00:06.24 | Nyle | such as specifying which pixel has what value in red/green/blue |
| 00:06.38 | skyrke | Nyle: thats not what I'm after. |
| 00:06.50 | \amethyst | Nyle: so you want the coordinates of every pixel that is that color? |
| 00:06.52 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:06.58 | Nyle | no |
| 00:06.59 | Nyle | not I |
| 00:06.59 | \amethyst | skyrke: so you want the coordinates of every pixel that is that color? or just one |
| 00:07.01 | skyrke | \amethyst: sort of. |
| 00:07.09 | Nyle | oh hm |
| 00:07.14 | Nyle | what exactly are you after? |
| 00:07.23 | skyrke | \amethyst: with imagemagick I made a difference of the images, and the threshold is now highlighted in pink |
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| 00:07.34 | Nyle | because if you say i want value of pixel at x,y, then the rgb value of that pixel is the color you want |
| 00:07.50 | Nyle | skyrke, #imagemagick? |
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| 00:08.03 | skyrke | Nyle: theres like 8 people there and idle. |
| 00:08.14 | Nyle | this is #debian really... |
| 00:08.14 | skyrke | I'vebeen back and forth all day. |
| 00:08.24 | Nyle | you may find some imagemagicku sers here you may not. |
| 00:08.26 | skyrke | Nyle: I've been to ##linux also. |
| 00:08.34 | skyrke | Nyle: I was hoping i would :P |
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| 00:08.36 | Nyle | its fine, just setting your expectations |
| 00:08.45 | Nyle | realistically |
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| 00:08.54 | De_Mon | orveldv it was sarcasm you were utterly useless and couldn't even see the "purpose" behind my "uuoc" |
| 00:09.28 | orveldv | De_Mon: np ; good luck. |
| 00:09.29 | doob77 | i cant seem to find a driver for this hard drive: st3500320as, or more commonly known as a seagate 7200.11 barracuda |
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| 00:09.49 | doob77 | im stuck on the detecting hardware part of the debian installation |
| 00:09.51 | Nyle | you shoudln't need drivers for a hdd |
| 00:09.58 | doob77 | it cant find the hdd |
| 00:10.13 | Nyle | is it sata or pata? |
| 00:10.17 | doob77 | sata |
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| 00:10.41 | Nyle | i was thinking maybe ide disk on a 3rd party pata controller, maybe new not in old kernel yet |
| 00:10.45 | Nyle | but thats not it |
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| 00:10.47 | doob77 | but restricted to sata1.5gb with the jumper |
| 00:10.59 | Nyle | you don't need the jumper |
| 00:11.19 | Nyle | on 3.0 it works at 3.0, on 1.5, it will auto drop to 1.5 |
| 00:11.21 | doob77 | you dont need to use the [hysical jumper on the hdd to make it 1.5gb instead of 3? |
| 00:11.27 | Nyle | no |
| 00:11.35 | doob77 | could that be the problem? |
| 00:11.39 | Nyle | maybe |
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| 00:11.51 | Nyle | I have no idea really, you shouldn't need drivers for hdd |
| 00:11.55 | doob77 | hmm |
| 00:12.02 | doob77 | i'll remove and see what happens |
| 00:12.03 | Nyle | thats just regular sata controller driver |
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| 00:12.09 | Nyle | thas in use |
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| 00:18.47 | Bushmills | hmm ... too late. |
| 00:19.34 | orveldv | better late than never. |
| 00:19.55 | Bushmills | could have told about convert -map (to retain only wanted colour), and convert pic.ext pic.txt ) for colour channels of each pixel coordinate |
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| 00:23.01 | Nyle | http://lynx.uio.no/jon/gif/cats/cat.hammock.gif |
| 00:23.04 | Nyle | =D |
| 00:23.12 | \amethyst | Bushmills: ah, I hadn't been aware of the .txt imagemagick format |
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| 00:23.21 | Nyle | me neither |
| 00:23.39 | Bushmills | is a bit slow to convert too, though. but ok for parsing |
| 00:23.58 | Bushmills | i suppose one is better off with a program |
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| 00:24.30 | \amethyst | yeah... 7 MB for a 400x400 24-bit image is a bit excessive :) |
| 00:25.23 | Nyle | debian should have a mascot |
| 00:25.27 | Nyle | if it doesn't already |
| 00:25.33 | dvs | Nyle: a swirl1 |
| 00:25.41 | Nyle | thats not a mascot |
| 00:25.43 | Nyle | its a logo |
| 00:25.44 | dvs | I guess it's a black hole |
| 00:25.47 | \amethyst | who says a galaxy can't be a mascot? |
| 00:25.48 | Neas | Hi, I am a bit new into this... |
| 00:25.48 | Neas | I set up ipv6 on my debian system and it work as it should, but after reboot my ifconfig settings are restored on previous state (deleted) - is there a way to save it as it's added? |
| 00:25.59 | Bushmills | still, as one can grep '^x,y:' it is an easy way to access pixel colour from script. |
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| 00:26.27 | \amethyst | Nyle: i think this came up on d-d earlier this year |
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| 00:26.57 | \amethyst | Bushmills: in this case the goal was to search by color, so grep #FF1133 or such |
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| 00:28.39 | Bushmills | yeah, works both wayas |
| 00:29.51 | \amethyst | Nyle: someone suggested this as a debian mascot: http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/22785/24171/ |
| 00:30.06 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 00:30.08 | Nyle | i love that monster |
| 00:30.17 | Nyle | the hellboy monster god thingy |
| 00:31.02 | amphi | \amethyst: heh, we just spoke of wmaker in the other channel |
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| 00:31.53 | doob77 | i dont see what could be wrong with this |
| 00:32.02 | doob77 | the debian installer just will not detect my hdd |
| 00:32.05 | enouf | Nyle: c'mere - pull my finger :-p |
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| 00:32.22 | dvs | NO! |
| 00:32.51 | orveldv | amphi: smth wrong with wmaker? |
| 00:33.00 | amphi | orveldv: nope |
| 00:33.01 | Bushmills | doob77: sata? |
| 00:33.06 | amphi | it was the first wm I used |
| 00:33.24 | doob77 | Bushmills yeah |
| 00:33.32 | RichiH | hmm |
| 00:33.39 | Bushmills | !tell doob77 about kmuto |
| 00:33.45 | orveldv | enouf: hi there :-) |
| 00:33.47 | RichiH | a command to restore X to its normal resolution while running would be? |
| 00:33.59 | enouf | doob77: how's the BIOS see it, fine? which controller is it? lspci would tell you |
| 00:34.01 | amphi | RichiH: xrandr? |
| 00:34.02 | RichiH | sauerbraten crashed & left me with like 800*600 |
| 00:34.16 | enouf | orveldv: adeu |
| 00:34.25 | enouf | or something |
| 00:34.25 | benjamindees | RichiH, ctrl-alt-+ or ctrl-alt-- |
| 00:34.33 | doob77 | Bushmills ahh, so debian 4.0 etch cannot recognise sata? |
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| 00:34.59 | Bushmills | doob77: it has been a recurring problem, so i shortcut the analysis |
| 00:35.02 | RichiH | amphi: nice |
| 00:35.03 | enouf | doob77: some newer ones, all depends on motherboard chipset |
| 00:35.22 | doob77 | why motherboard chipset? |
| 00:35.31 | enouf | because that |
| 00:35.44 | enouf | because that's where the controllers are usually |
| 00:35.54 | doob77 | ah |
| 00:36.05 | enouf | and the chipset gives an indication of age, even if there's a 3rd party chip |
| 00:37.13 | Bushmills | problem will probably evaporate within 2 years (when lenny is stable) |
| 00:37.14 | orveldv | enouf: thanks. |
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| 00:38.32 | enouf | orveldv: welcome .. but for what? :-P |
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| 00:41.03 | TicK | Hi ... is there a debian package that'll monitor a log file for a particular string and then perform some action if it sees this string? |
| 00:41.17 | dvs | TicK: sed |
| 00:41.28 | TicK | ... |
| 00:41.39 | dvs | Oh as in execute a program? |
| 00:41.56 | fignew | TicK: tenshi |
| 00:42.02 | TicK | tenshi? |
| 00:42.03 | TicK | googles |
| 00:42.05 | RichiH | TicK: you can write a short script |
| 00:42.13 | Bushmills | TicK: ... in combination with incron maybe .. |
| 00:42.23 | dvs | RichiH: There must be a package that can already do that. |
| 00:42.23 | TicK | ya i suppose i could write a script that greps a log file or something |
| 00:42.27 | RichiH | fignew: that sounds nice |
| 00:42.44 | fignew | TicK: its a program that does what you asked for :P |
| 00:42.51 | TicK | thans fignew! |
| 00:42.55 | TicK | s/thans/thanks |
| 00:43.03 | TicK | looks like it fits the bill exact |
| 00:43.51 | Bushmills | incron is not related to cron, btw, even if names sound similar |
| 00:44.03 | RichiH | wonders why tenshi depends on adduser |
| 00:44.05 | TicK | looks up what incron does |
| 00:44.24 | peterrooney | incron: adds one to ron, returns ron |
| 00:44.38 | TicK | ohh ... it monitors for filesystem events |
| 00:44.55 | TicK | that sounds cool .. i was about to write a program that does exactly this for a project i'm on |
| 00:44.57 | Bushmills | such as updates to a specific log file |
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| 00:45.02 | TicK | ya |
| 00:45.08 | TicK | uses the inotify facility |
| 00:45.13 | Bushmills | right |
| 00:45.48 | ddalton | how come my kernel is only .25. I have a diff of 25-6, so how do i apply it so the kernel I build is 2.6.25-6? should the deb file automatically have -6 in it? |
| 00:46.13 | ddalton | I used patch -p0 < 2.6.25-6_patchfile.diff from the source root. |
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| 00:46.29 | Bushmills | there's a pitfull with current versions to be aware of. a bug you could say: seperate columns by single space. not by tab, and not by multiple spaces. |
| 00:46.56 | TicK | hmm ... good to know |
| 00:47.10 | TicK | ya .. this incron thing might work out nicely |
| 00:47.14 | TicK | for something else |
| 00:48.12 | TicK | theres this company whose software has to talk to my software ... but instead of using something like a socket connection like everybody else in the world, they want to stick the information in a file and ftp it to me |
| 00:48.31 | TicK | really ridiculous .. but whatever .. |
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| 00:48.58 | TicK | i suppose i can just have incron do the right thing whenever they ftp me a file |
| 00:49.19 | Bushmills | that's an interesting way of doing inter process communication |
| 00:49.21 | ddalton | so... how do I check what kernel version I am building? |
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| 00:49.37 | TicK | indeed. |
| 00:49.46 | orveldv | TicK: they can use logsend and mail some log changes to you |
| 00:49.53 | benjamindees | TicK, is it credit card software? |
| 00:50.34 | fignew | omg benjamindees is a hax0r :P |
| 00:50.37 | TicK | no ... i forget the exact details as to what their software does .. but what they need to do is be able to uplink a message to an aircraft .. which is what the software i maintain does. so they have to talk to my software to do that. |
| 00:50.46 | TicK | its for the avionics industry |
| 00:51.04 | benjamindees | dear lord that's much worse |
| 00:51.05 | Bushmills | benjamindees: any specific reason that you're interested in that? |
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| 00:51.37 | TicK | lulz .. ya |
| 00:52.07 | benjamindees | just curious; in my experience some credit card processing stuff works that way. |
| 00:52.38 | TicK | really? it seems kind of ass backwards to me. |
| 00:52.38 | Bushmills | ah. really asking about credit cards, not about smart cards. |
| 00:53.18 | Bushmills | well, i also had a reason to be curious why you were curioius :) |
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| 00:53.57 | benjamindees | oh noes are u teh cyber cops? |
| 00:54.05 | Bushmills | nono |
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| 00:59.20 | RichiH | btw, does anyone know the reason why linux-libc-dev stopped coming with /usr/include/linux/user.h asm/user.h and others? |
| 00:59.35 | RichiH | this kinda annoys me |
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| 01:02.02 | Bushmills | RichiH: any help from those: dpkg -L linux-libc-dev | grep user ? |
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| 01:03.21 | benjamindees | is it in the kernel headers? |
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| 01:04.47 | \amethyst | RichiH: it might have something to do with the presence of sys/user.h in glibc, though that was there before asm/user.h was removed from linux-libc-dev |
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| 01:07.34 | benjamindees | I mean, it *is* in the kernel headers. iirc the reason has to do with discrepancies between the libc and the compiler and the kernel and how Debian is the only distro that handles it correctly by forcing them all to match. |
| 01:07.51 | benjamindees | or something |
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| 01:09.29 | RichiH | \amethyst: the linux/* stuff resides in the kernel headers, at least |
| 01:09.55 | RichiH | but teh asm/ stuff is in libuclibc-dev -- and nowhere else |
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| 01:11.22 | \amethyst | RichiH: are you building a debugger? |
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| 01:12.46 | arisv | hello, in the last step of doing the debian nvidia way, module assistant tells me that didn't configured the nvidia module successfully" any ideas, why? |
| 01:13.59 | kanzure | debian nvidia way? |
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| 01:15.32 | arisv | kanzure: installing the nvidia driver, by debian way, with module-assistant |
| 01:15.39 | benjamindees | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:15.39 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 01:16.33 | arisv | I think module assistant has the problem.. benjamindees |
| 01:16.42 | arisv | in m-a update, 0% is stuck |
| 01:16.48 | arisv | no update? :s |
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| 01:20.16 | Jabop | I am having a problem with apt-get install php5-curl in Debian etch, I thought this would be the best channel to come to. The error message I get is: |
| 01:20.18 | Jabop | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:20.18 | Jabop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.18 | Jabop | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:20.41 | Jabop | hmm thought I could paste 4 lines. |
| 01:21.22 | Bushmills | Jabop: you can't? strange. just try it again. |
| 01:21.36 | wols | !depends php5-curl etch |
| 01:21.36 | Jabop | Bushmills: Funny |
| 01:21.38 | Bushmills | try 20 lines, maybe that works better |
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| 01:22.01 | dpkg | php5-curl: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcurl3 (>= 7.15.5-1), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), phpapi-20060613+lfs, php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch10) |
| 01:22.09 | RichiH | \amethyst: no, i am trying to make cryopid build and, if possoble, with clean build-deps |
| 01:22.29 | RichiH | \amethyst: i wrote email to debian-kernel@ldo to ask why they did it |
| 01:22.43 | RichiH | worst that can happen is i don't get an answer :) |
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| 01:23.45 | \amethyst | RichiH: you might try something like -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/ to use the actual kernel headers |
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| 01:23.55 | \amethyst | RichiH: user.h should still be in the kernel headers |
| 01:24.12 | RichiH | \amethyst: only the linux/ kind |
| 01:24.14 | RichiH | not the asm/ |
| 01:24.22 | \amethyst | RichiH: what kernel version? |
| 01:25.06 | RichiH | \amethyst: not one kernel in sid has it |
| 01:25.06 | wols | linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/asm/user.h |
| 01:25.15 | RichiH | wols: apt-file update |
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| 01:25.22 | RichiH | wols: or you are not using sid |
| 01:25.31 | RichiH | wols: that _used_ to be the case |
| 01:25.33 | wols | RichiH: this file is on my system and I do use sid |
| 01:25.47 | RichiH | wols: upgrade and see it disappear |
| 01:25.48 | \amethyst | RichiH: mine too, though my kernel is a little old (2.6.24-1) |
| 01:25.50 | wols | ii linux-libc-dev 2.6.22-5 |
| 01:26.06 | RichiH | 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 01:26.29 | \amethyst | RichiH: well, if the header was removed from the most recent kernel, there's not much you can do |
| 01:26.38 | RichiH | wols: i just spent quite some time realizing the files were _not_ part of linux-libc-dev, any more |
| 01:26.52 | RichiH | \amethyst: the kernels have them |
| 01:27.08 | RichiH | but i kinda prefered the one libc package |
| 01:27.12 | RichiH | and i kinda need asm/user.c |
| 01:27.14 | RichiH | erm |
| 01:27.16 | RichiH | .h |
| 01:27.18 | arisv | exit |
| 01:27.37 | RichiH | anyway, that as my be, it is 0327 local and i need my bed |
| 01:27.37 | \amethyst | RichiH: and asm/user.h is missing from the kernel headers? |
| 01:27.42 | RichiH | \amethyst: yes |
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| 01:28.00 | \amethyst | RichiH: so what does linux/user.h have in it, then? |
| 01:28.27 | \amethyst | RichiH: funny, p.d.o lists /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common/include/asm-x86/user.h |
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| 01:28.51 | RichiH | \amethyst: hmm, i searched for asm/user.h |
| 01:28.57 | RichiH | that would be a good reason |
| 01:29.00 | \amethyst | RichiH: asm is a symlink |
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| 01:29.38 | Ziroday | Hi, for some reason iceweasel will only work when run with sudo, I am running sid |
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| 01:32.38 | benjamindees | Ziroday, du |
| 01:32.49 | benjamindees | er, df rather |
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| 01:34.04 | Bushmills | RichiH: your clock's permissions look unusual |
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| 01:34.33 | RichiH | Bushmills: hmm? |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | OMG .. there's no 7 on his clock! |
| 01:35.04 | Bushmills | owner may read and execute. group may write. world may read, write and execute |
| 01:35.23 | RichiH | world may beat you with a shovel for bad puns ;) |
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| 01:36.01 | RichiH | bed :) |
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| 01:38.16 | Ziroday | benjamindees: eh? isnt that to check how much space is left? |
| 01:38.36 | Bushmills | beat bit hasn't been set for world |
| 01:38.48 | benjamindees | Ziroday, yeah, just guessing you could be low or something. |
| 01:39.21 | Ziroday | benjamindees: nope, plenty of space |
| 01:39.56 | benjamindees | Ziroday, old processes still running? |
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| 01:40.15 | Ziroday | benjamindees: |
| 01:40.28 | Ziroday | benjamindees: woops, nope no old processors |
| 01:40.55 | benjamindees | Ziroday, no error at all? how about trying with strace? |
| 01:41.09 | Ziroday | benjamindees: sure gimme a sec |
| 01:41.33 | Ziroday | benjamindees: sorry, the error is a segfault |
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| 01:41.50 | Bushmills | Ziroday: run as different, non-root user. if that works, maybe profile corrupted. or, try first iceweasel --ProfileManager , create new one, start with that one |
| 01:42.19 | Ziroday | Bushmills: was about to try that :) |
| 01:42.20 | Bushmills | ehm sorry, it is iceweasel -ProfileManager |
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| 01:43.33 | Luchi | java channel?? |
| 01:44.09 | Bushmills | if it is the profile, try -safe-mode , maybe an active extension breaks it |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | #java ? |
| 01:44.26 | Bushmills | #starbucks |
| 01:45.03 | Ziroday | Bushmills: benjamindees: according to strace there was a permissions issue with ~/.mozilla, setting it to ugo=rwx fixed it |
| 01:45.18 | Ziroday | thanks |
| 01:45.27 | benjamindees | np |
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| 01:53.20 | jmichaelx | i just did a fresh menny netinstall on an old 333Mhz P2 laptop w/ 128MB RAM. what would likely be my best choice for a very lightweight GUI audio player BESIDES audacious? (i wish xmms were still in the repos) |
| 01:53.27 | jmichaelx | lenny* |
| 01:54.12 | avu | what's wrong with audacious? |
| 01:54.53 | jmichaelx | audacious takes longer to load than xmms, it chokes on some live streams, for starters |
| 01:55.31 | jmichaelx | audacious definitely does not fill the niche that xmms occupied, in my opinion |
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| 01:55.45 | avu | yeah, I guess gtk2 is in general a bit heavier than gtk1 |
| 01:55.47 | jmichaelx | but, i was wondering if there might be another option |
| 01:56.09 | avu | but I don't think you'll find anything still maintained that doesn't use either gtk2 or qt |
| 01:56.22 | jmichaelx | i might just compile xmms on this little laptop, but i was hoping to avoid that |
| 01:56.59 | jmichaelx | well, it isn't just the gtk2 issue, audacious just doesn't work as well... not for live streams, at least |
| 01:58.20 | avu | I can't say I have the same experience. allthough I do not listen to more than 3 or 4 live streams regularly |
| 01:58.20 | avu | you could consider just using mplayer for live streams |
| 01:58.46 | avu | gqmpeg might be something for playing mp3s, it's just a slim frontend to mpg{321,123} |
| 01:59.22 | jmichaelx | i guess what i had been used to doing, was configuring iceweasel to use xmms for .m3u streams (for example). i could click on a link, and xmms would be on and playing in a second or two. i have not been able to get audacious to behave like that. |
| 01:59.39 | jmichaelx | avu: ty, i will look into that |
| 01:59.42 | avu | muine also prides itself on at least having a slim UI, but it's written in mono.. :) |
| 02:00.09 | avu | jmichaelx, you can integrate mplayer with iceweasel just the same |
| 02:00.24 | jmichaelx | maybe that is what i should do |
| 02:00.43 | jmichaelx | ok, ty for the advice. i'll play around a little |
| 02:01.06 | avu | also, allthough some might want to slay me for this, you could 'forward-port' xmms to the suite you are running |
| 02:01.40 | avu | but that might really not be a good idea, since it's been unmaintained for quite a while and IIRC, there are unresolved bugs |
| 02:01.44 | jmichaelx | eh, i think i would just compile it. it is easy enough, but will just take a good while on this old machine |
| 02:02.17 | avu | take the old debian package (and use uupdate if there is a newer version) |
| 02:02.31 | jmichaelx | uupdate? |
| 02:02.37 | avu | just installing something from source without using the package management system just messes up your system |
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| 02:02.55 | avu | jmichaelx, uupdate is a handy little tool to upgrade debian source packages to new upstream versions |
| 02:03.20 | jmichaelx | i know. i did compile xmms on another machine, and i tried to create a .deb for it using checkinstall, but for some reason it didn't work for me |
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| 02:03.34 | avu | nah, checkinstall sucks |
| 02:03.38 | phyburn | what is the best way to delete a user? |
| 02:03.38 | jmichaelx | ok, i will definitely look into uupdate |
| 02:03.44 | avu | use the debian source package |
| 02:03.52 | avu | perhaps you do not even have to update it |
| 02:03.54 | tuseroni | can someone please help me with my wireless issue? i have ndiswrapper, though i dont know if it works or not...i have a bunch of different drivers for my wireless card and i install them, but the drivers never work, most i get is "driver installed" but never "device present" |
| 02:04.02 | avu | since there wasn't a new release in such a long time |
| 02:04.07 | avu | phyburn, deluser |
| 02:04.19 | jmichaelx | ok, i will try to give that a go |
| 02:04.22 | tuseroni | sometimes if i use ndiswrapper -a 1779:700f <driver> it will work |
| 02:04.33 | benjamindees | tuseroni, step 1 is identifying your wifi card |
| 02:04.49 | tuseroni | its a belkin wireless g 1779:700f |
| 02:05.01 | tuseroni | (last one is the pci number) |
| 02:05.27 | avu | !which driver |
| 02:05.28 | dpkg | from memory, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 02:05.46 | avu | tuseroni, ^ use that site to find out which driver is the best for that card |
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| 02:06.06 | phyburn | thanks avu |
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| 02:06.55 | abrotman | avu: uhm .. shouldn't you be in bed? |
| 02:07.21 | avu | abrotman, you're right mum |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | just askin! |
| 02:07.33 | avu | :( |
| 02:08.13 | tuseroni | thank you *hopes it works* |
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| 02:09.00 | benjamindees | can't find that vendor id :( |
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| 02:16.14 | benjamindees | tuseroni, okay since that pci id seems to be worthless, do you have a model number or (better yet) a chipset? |
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| 02:17.00 | tuseroni | other than that i just have belkin wireless g desktop version 7000 |
| 02:17.52 | wols_ | tuseroni: Belkin F5D7000 v.7000 ? |
| 02:17.57 | wols_ | if so: rtl8185L |
| 02:18.20 | wols_ | driver is r8187 only available in newer kernels |
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| 02:18.54 | troubled | major dns update relaease, update asap everyone. that is all :) |
| 02:18.55 | benjamindees | even then it may not recognize that pci id |
| 02:20.01 | Nyle | troubled, testicles. |
| 02:20.03 | tuseroni | how would i know if its f5d7000? |
| 02:20.05 | Nyle | that is all. |
| 02:20.22 | Nyle | </family guy> |
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| 02:20.35 | Nyle | troubled, whats up with the major dns update? |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | tuseroni: look on the bottom ? |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | Nyle: DSA/slashdot |
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| 02:20.54 | Kalamansi | i installed the first etch dvd..but it seems that GCC its not installed, and i needed it to install ndiswrapper for my dell wireless 1390 card.. |
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| 02:21.02 | tuseroni | its not on the card anywhere |
| 02:21.04 | Benzi | I just plugged in a PCI TV tuner card |
| 02:21.08 | Benzi | how do I check if it's working? |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | Kalamansi: so aptitude install gcc ? |
| 02:21.11 | troubled | Nyle: well, traffic has been up on dns for a while now, and been suspecting dns issues. sure enough, today a coordinated effort to update dns have come to an end |
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| 02:21.26 | abrotman | Kalamansi: aptitude install build-essential |
| 02:21.28 | tuseroni | ok i think this is it... |
| 02:21.30 | benjamindees | tuseroni, I would try the instructions in post 4 of this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389686 |
| 02:21.32 | tuseroni | seen a picture of it |
| 02:21.49 | troubled | Nyle: kinda sucks as far as reinstalls go since a rogue machine on any network could technically take over a dns enabled machine before its up to date :/ |
| 02:23.19 | troubled | Nyle: http://securosis.com/2008/07/08/dan-kaminsky-discovers-fundamental-issue-in-dns-massive-multivendor-patch-released/ |
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| 02:24.32 | troubled | Nyle: *sigh* reinstalls are always fun ;/ |
| 02:24.44 | tuseroni | ok, trying that...*got to reboot* |
| 02:24.52 | wols_ | Kalamansi: get a newer kernel an no more ndiswrapper |
| 02:24.58 | Nyle | damn |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | troubled: reinstall for what? |
| 02:25.37 | Kalamansi | how to extractt data using perl?i have system log.thanks |
| 02:25.37 | Nyle | some dude is throwing away a sunfire 1280n on the curb thsi saturday |
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| 02:25.56 | Nyle | craiglist |
| 02:26.08 | Nyle | i wodner if it can run debian |
| 02:26.37 | troubled | abrotman: sorry, a "what if" you need to reinstall cause of dns server |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:26.52 | troubled | just poor wording |
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| 02:27.26 | Kalamansi | extract* |
| 02:27.42 | Nyle | !ports |
| 02:27.42 | dpkg | i heard ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/, or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
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| 02:28.11 | troubled | abrotman: seems that its only dns server related at least, so no worries on dns clients (ie: everything) |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | no such thing as a 1280n |
| 02:28.26 | Nyle | yeh |
| 02:28.30 | TiMiDo | hey what's the name e7 or e11? |
| 02:28.32 | Nyle | he mislabled it |
| 02:28.39 | Nyle | i looked it up its called Sunfire V1280 |
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| 02:28.45 | troubled | abrotman: ive been noticing the odd increase in dns traffic for few months now though with suspicion. glad to see it was finally discovered and fixed though |
| 02:28.55 | tuseroni | no such luck |
| 02:28.57 | wols_ | TiMiDo: do you mean E17? |
| 02:28.58 | abrotman | it was discovered months ago |
| 02:28.59 | Nyle | but can it run debian? |
| 02:29.11 | tuseroni | i get "driver installed" but nothign about the device |
| 02:29.21 | tuseroni | and iwconfig gives no wlan0 |
| 02:29.21 | Nyle | wonder which port it would be |
| 02:29.37 | TiMiDo | i think so |
| 02:29.53 | CompWizrd | i ran across something on google with the same guy talking about dns cache poisoning.. in 2005 |
| 02:29.56 | CompWizrd | hardly a new issue |
| 02:30.07 | Kalamansi | I'm trying to extract data from a huge txt file, how to do it? |
| 02:30.17 | Nyle | Kalamansi, grep? |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | Nyle: that's be a #debian-sparc question .. but i'd guess so |
| 02:31.47 | Nyle | oh the sparc port |
| 02:31.50 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | Nyle: the real problem will be transporting it .. and cooling it |
| 02:31.57 | Benzi | how do I check to see if my TV tuner card is working? |
| 02:31.59 | Nyle | I was just thinking if i shoudl bother picking it up |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | Nyle: http://www.anysystem.com/sun-fire-v1280-small.html "small" :) |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | i'd guess it's been gutted |
| 02:32.46 | Nyle | obviously |
| 02:33.00 | Nyle | unless he is a rich fuck who can afford to throw this shit away |
| 02:33.09 | Nyle | crazy |
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| 02:33.39 | Nyle | 98304 MB memory installed |
| 02:33.59 | benjamindees | tuseroni, what did you do for this step? "update the driver with the PCI ID" |
| 02:34.06 | Nyle | damn |
| 02:34.13 | Nyle | I'm gonna email this guy |
| 02:34.25 | Nyle | I am very curious as to find out whats wrong this this machine |
| 02:34.32 | tuseroni | ndiswrapper -a 1799:700f <driver> |
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| 02:34.45 | n-iCe | Nyle: =) |
| 02:34.55 | tuseroni | oops... |
| 02:35.01 | Nyle | n-iCe, sup |
| 02:35.06 | tuseroni | found that one...i put 1779...not 1799 |
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| 02:35.34 | tuseroni | so i do have device present |
| 02:35.38 | tuseroni | ...but i have no wlan0 |
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| 02:37.02 | tuseroni | were those different steps or did the line above simply explain why you did the ndiswrapper -a? |
| 02:37.41 | benjamindees | actually I thought they were different steps but you're right. |
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| 02:38.17 | tuseroni | so...maybe i need to reboot again? |
| 02:38.27 | tuseroni | *tries that* |
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| 02:40.29 | S4nD3r | Is possible to know what is freeze my linux??? Sometimes this freeze my notebook, what to do? |
| 02:41.02 | Nyle | S4nD3r, run a memtest |
| 02:41.13 | Nyle | !memtest |
| 02:41.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 02:41.19 | amphi | S4nD3r: overheating perhaps? |
| 02:42.49 | ameyer | in my experience, most lockups are due to dodgy graphics drivers |
| 02:43.50 | S4nD3r | I guess is graphics drivers |
| 02:43.56 | S4nD3r | I uninstalled compiz now |
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| 02:44.06 | S4nD3r | let me try if this will freeze again |
| 02:44.09 | tuseroni | hugs everyone in the channel |
| 02:44.17 | tuseroni | IT WORKS!! |
| 02:44.33 | tuseroni | i have had this card for over a year now...maybe 2...i have not been able to make it work |
| 02:45.24 | Nyle | you should buy us all skittles now |
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| 02:47.25 | benjamindees | or just me :p |
| 02:47.51 | Benzi | can someone here help me get bttv working :-\ |
| 02:48.56 | up365 | Benzi, what tv card ? |
| 02:49.16 | Corkster | not until you memorize the complete debian handbook :) |
| 02:50.18 | CrippsFX | Corkster, wait ... there's a handbook? |
| 02:50.22 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 02:50.44 | Benzi | up365: Leadtek TV2000 RM |
| 02:50.55 | Benzi | it's supposed to be pretty easy to set up, I just don't know how to do it |
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| 02:51.13 | Benzi | *TV2000 XP RM |
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| 02:52.53 | up365 | Benzi, edit /etc/modprobe.conf add options=34 tuner=38 save reboot I have that same card on etch this worked for me |
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| 02:53.27 | Benzi | up365, wow, nice coincidenec, thanks, I'll try it |
| 02:53.40 | Benzi | oh wow |
| 02:53.49 | Benzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.54 | Benzi | that might be a problem... |
| 02:54.09 | Corkster | you in as root ? |
| 02:54.26 | Benzi | me? yes |
| 02:54.33 | Corkster | nano -w /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 02:54.40 | Corkster | make ine |
| 02:54.42 | Benzi | I'm telling you, it doesn't exist |
| 02:54.45 | Corkster | make one |
| 02:54.48 | Benzi | okay, sure |
| 02:54.57 | Benzi | so it's not a problem? (sorry for the noobness) |
| 02:55.07 | Benzi | I just thought I used to have one... |
| 02:55.31 | Benzi | wait, up365, are you sure I should say options=34 tuner=38? |
| 02:55.37 | Corkster | locate modprobe.conf ? |
| 02:55.46 | Benzi | options bttv card=34 tuner=38? |
| 02:55.51 | Benzi | not that? |
| 02:56.08 | Corkster | [21:52] <up365> Benzi, edit /etc/modprobe.conf add options=34 tuner=38 save reboot I have that same card on etch this worked for me |
| 02:56.25 | Benzi | Corkster, I saw the message, I'm just asking him if he's sure |
| 02:56.34 | up365 | Benzi, sorry line is options bttv card=34 tuner=38 sorry about that previous error |
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| 02:56.44 | Benzi | aha! see, Corkster? |
| 02:56.51 | Benzi | up365: thanks, I'm gonna reboot now |
| 02:56.55 | Corkster | *snap* |
| 02:57.25 | jaggz- | postgresql-7.4 is default in etch.. but I installed 8.1 -- and its binaries aren't linked. What's the proper way of handling this? |
| 02:58.43 | wols_ | its binaries aren't linked? |
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| 02:58.55 | wols_ | oh noes,your linker is b0rken! |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | you had to ask ... |
| 02:59.15 | Demosthenes | so i just discovered smartmontools while troubleshooting a problem. i've set it up now, but i have to ask... why isn't it enabled/installed by default? |
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| 02:59.25 | Benzi | no workie |
| 02:59.56 | Benzi | and by the way |
| 03:00.02 | Benzi | there isn't even any mention of the device in my dmesg |
| 03:00.18 | jaggz- | no.. the package postgresql-8.1 only seems to put binaries here /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin/ |
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| 03:00.30 | abrotman | jaggz-: what doesn't actualyl work? |
| 03:01.01 | Benzi | any ideas, guys? |
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| 03:01.11 | jaggz- | should I include that bin/ dir in my global system path, or symlink the binaries myself, or maybe I installed 8.1 at the same time as I removed 7.4 with aptitude? |
| 03:02.21 | up365 | Benzi, here's wiki link http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Leadtek_WinFast_2000 |
| 03:02.25 | Benzi | HEY, IT WORKED |
| 03:02.26 | Benzi | hmm |
| 03:02.33 | Benzi | udev wasn't running |
| 03:02.34 | Benzi | weeird |
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| 03:03.27 | Benzi | whoa |
| 03:03.30 | Benzi | still no workie... |
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| 03:03.53 | Benzi | now tvtime lets me use the device, but I get no video signal even though I have something plugged in |
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| 03:07.40 | jaggz- | abrotman, just the location of the binaries.. I'm trying to figure out how this is supposed to be handled the debian way |
| 03:07.47 | debianr | Is Debian 'Testing' updated against the latest security flaw concerning the web? |
| 03:08.34 | jaggz- | what's that, debianr? |
| 03:08.49 | phyburn | anyone know the package name for secure rm? such as srm |
| 03:08.50 | debianr | jaggz: Read it here. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080709/tts-us-it-internet-software-crime-972e412.html |
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| 03:09.04 | Jan_joan | yo dudes |
| 03:09.22 | Jan_joan | is this the right place to be for questions about freebsd? |
| 03:09.39 | \amethyst | phyburn: apt-file search /usr/bin/srm will tell you |
| 03:09.57 | ameyer | Jan_joan: does this look like #freebsd? |
| 03:09.59 | \amethyst | phyburn: there's also wipe |
| 03:10.17 | Jan_joan | ameyer: fuck you |
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| 03:10.26 | phyburn | \amethyst, thanks ill grab wipe |
| 03:10.43 | Benzi | sweet, it was just the PS2 that was broken |
| 03:10.45 | Benzi | it works |
| 03:11.19 | ameyer | Jan_joan: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/support.html#IRC |
| 03:11.45 | debianr | jaggz-: Read it here. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080709/tts-us-it-internet-software-crime-972e412.html |
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| 03:13.53 | Coweater | debianr: they're being real secretive about it, seems like it would only affect people running dns servers as that's all doxpara.com checks |
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| 03:15.00 | DanDare | someone can tell me how this works? On debian eth doing 'apt-get upgrade' i get: |
| 03:15.18 | DanDare | 'Need to get 45,5MB of archives.' and |
| 03:15.27 | Jan_joan | dandare, you need to lick more cunt |
| 03:15.35 | debianr | Coweater: It is quite open. MS already has the update. |
| 03:15.38 | DanDare | 'After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used' |
| 03:15.52 | Jan_joan | it's all about the cunt DanDare |
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| 03:15.54 | DanDare | so.. it will download packages but not install anything? |
| 03:15.58 | Jan_joan | lick it |
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| 03:16.17 | ameyer | DanDare: no, the old files and new files would be the same size |
| 03:16.18 | debianr | Coweater: Linux is used a lot on servers, including DNS servers. |
| 03:16.22 | DanDare | or the packages are already on my computer but not installed ? |
| 03:16.23 | Coweater | yes, very open, yet they don't mention anything about how this exploit works |
| 03:16.28 | Jan_joan | has seen DanDare lick his mom's cunt |
| 03:16.42 | DanDare | ameyer, so how im getting this message from apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:16.51 | debianr | Coweater: Oh, in that sense. |
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| 03:17.05 | Jan_joan | sieg heil |
| 03:17.16 | S4nD3r | So... If freeze again, I will need to use Windows Vista |
| 03:17.23 | DanDare | o.O |
| 03:17.48 | debianr | Coweater: Desktop or notebook users have nothing to worry about? |
| 03:17.52 | Jan_joan | kicks DanDare in the teeth |
| 03:18.05 | Coweater | wouldn't know, they're hiding too much information to guess about it |
| 03:18.15 | Jan_joan | shut up Coweater |
| 03:18.42 | DanDare | its debhelper some person that can help ? |
| 03:18.43 | debianr | jaggz-: what's your comment? |
| 03:18.44 | benjamindees | S4nD3r, lspci |grep ICH |
| 03:18.50 | DanDare | or is debhelper a bot? |
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| 03:19.16 | Coweater | DanDare: bot |
| 03:19.22 | DanDare | there we go |
| 03:19.43 | S4nD3r | benjamindees: ?? |
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| 03:20.38 | Coweater | debianr: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1603 |
| 03:20.45 | benjamindees | S4nD3r, let's find out what's locking up your laptop |
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| 03:21.27 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.ca/1066220 |
| 03:21.32 | S4nD3r | Heres output |
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| 03:23.18 | debianr | Coweater: thks. but it is only fixed in 'etch'. |
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| 03:23.25 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 03:29.09 | wols_ | DanDare: debhelper is a program |
| 03:29.20 | DanDare | wols_ ok |
| 03:30.24 | DanDare | i wish i could do things like: /msg debhelper !kick Jan_Joan ;) |
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| 03:33.07 | benjamindees | S4nD3r, what kind of laptop is it? does it just freeze randomly? |
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| 03:38.04 | S4nD3r | randomly |
| 03:38.14 | S4nD3r | its a Dell Inspiron 1525 |
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| 03:43.48 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1 Debian Wallpapers |
| 03:44.22 | Nyle | Just setup coppermine and uploaded my creations |
| 03:48.00 | benjamindees | S4nD3r, I'd try using the 'vesa' driver and see if it helps, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:48.28 | benjamindees | S4nD3r, also setup some temperature monitoring |
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| 04:00.05 | S4nD3r | Im using vesa |
| 04:00.09 | S4nD3r | I think |
| 04:01.31 | benjamindees | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:03.36 | wooden | Anyone running the Deb package of rtorrent on Lenny? |
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| 04:14.25 | amphi | wooden: yes |
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| 04:25.57 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 04:25.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 04:26.01 | Nyle | damnit! |
| 04:26.10 | Nyle | !w |
| 04:26.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, w is a command on Unix systems that displays information on users who are currently logged in. see also <who> <uptime> |
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| 04:26.20 | Nyle | !m |
| 04:26.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, m is (lower case) a metric thousandth or (upper case) a metric million or (greek) a metric millionth, or compile as a module in a kernel configuration. And also James Bond's boss. MUMPS, A programming language with extensive tools for the support of database management systems. |
| 04:32.58 | wooden | Using rtorrent package in Debian Lenny I'm getting extremely slow download speeds (~1/10 of what utorrent gets on another box on this LAN using the same torrents). rtorrent cannot even connect to some trackers. Uploads seem to work fine, however. Ports listed in .rtorrent.rc are forwarded from the router to this machine. Any suggestions on where to look for the problem? |
| 04:35.44 | wooden | Haven't been able to exceed ~35KB/s download with any number/combination of torrents. |
| 04:36.29 | wooden | ^ Total download. |
| 04:36.40 | micols | anybody know how to pipe tar data into genisoimage? |
| 04:38.28 | micols | tar cf - /diskless/ --exclude '/diskless/mws/home'|genisoimage -stream-media-size $((512*1024*4+201)) > disklessbackup.iso |
| 04:38.35 | micols | i do this one, and it complains |
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| 04:39.56 | micols | actually it just creates an empty file |
| 04:41.08 | benjamindees | genisoimage is in no way designed to read tarballs |
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| 04:43.04 | benjamindees | are you just trying to exclude that one directory? |
| 04:43.23 | Repossessed | Try a vewrbose option for tar? you need to output the filenames to stdout for pipes to work that way |
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| 04:44.30 | Repossessed | IE, unpack the files, display the file names, do whastever geniso does with the files |
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| 04:44.51 | micols | hehe benjamindees its a very ugly hack |
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| 04:45.03 | micols | if my diskless data gets too large my backup will fail :) |
| 04:45.13 | micols | it basically tells it to create a 4GB iso image |
| 04:45.18 | micols | no matter what the input data is |
| 04:45.51 | micols | but ugly making temporary tar files too, and then genisoimage on that |
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| 04:46.21 | micols | although i feel a little more safe by doing that , havnt tested this yet.. i got 4GB iso written now :) |
| 04:46.41 | benjamindees | I don't see why you're even using tar |
| 04:47.12 | micols | what should i do? i dont have packet writing support. |
| 04:47.16 | benjamindees | oh you want the tarball to be the only file in the iso image? |
| 04:47.24 | micols | no |
| 04:47.29 | micols | using stdout from tar.. |
| 04:47.57 | micols | hm perhaps i shouldnt use tar :P |
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| 04:48.17 | micols | and then just use extended glob for excluding my dir to genisoimage |
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| 04:48.45 | micols | or some find with logical NOT , and write a filelist for genisoimage |
| 04:48.50 | albech | hello debian.. is there a channel specific for the embedded projects of emdebian? |
| 04:49.14 | Nyle | !emdebian |
| 04:49.14 | dpkg | i guess emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 04:50.50 | benjamindees | micols, genisoimage -m '/diskless/mws/home' /diskless/ |
| 04:50.57 | micols | i just did mount it |
| 04:51.05 | micols | it contains a stream.img :P |
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| 04:51.12 | micols | which perhaps even might cotain a .tar :) |
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| 04:51.54 | micols | Exclude files matching glob, a shell wildcard pattern, from being written to CD-ROM. |
| 04:51.58 | micols | ah.. thanks |
| 04:52.14 | micols | lots of options, didnt catch that one :) |
| 04:52.18 | benjamindees | hopefully you understand the filename limitations of the iso9660 filesystem |
| 04:52.23 | micols | yes, its a problem |
| 04:52.26 | micols | thats why i do tar |
| 04:52.54 | micols | then i am not limited by iso 1998 etc |
| 04:53.16 | micols | you cannot turn off isolimitations with genisoimage |
| 04:53.33 | albech | thanks Nyle |
| 04:53.36 | micols | and dvds can only contain custom filesystems with packetwriting and only dvd+rw |
| 04:53.47 | micols | so my only option is tar |
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| 04:54.06 | micols | would be nice if i could just write the tar file to cd without making an iso |
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| 04:54.18 | micols | but i would probably need to retrieve it back with dd if i did so |
| 04:55.33 | micols | benjamindees: any idea how i pass the correct size for the image to genisoimage? |
| 04:55.44 | micols | with -stream-media-size, its very lightly documented |
| 04:56.04 | micols | i did chose 4GB to be on the safe side, it was less than that last time i du -sh'ed |
| 04:56.16 | micols | but its still ugly, and very unsafe :) |
| 04:56.53 | benjamindees | you're wanting to limit the .iso file created to 4 gb ? |
| 04:58.11 | micols | no i want to create an iso from tar stdout |
| 04:58.23 | micols | and it wont allow me to do that without knowing the iso size |
| 05:00.16 | benjamindees | but why in gods name do you want to do that? |
| 05:00.51 | micols | backup purposes |
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| 05:01.20 | micols | write / , except /home to a DVD for my diskless client |
| 05:01.22 | kingsley | What does the kernel boot option "irqpoll" do? |
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| 05:01.35 | micols | kingsley: kernel-parameters.txt google |
| 05:02.00 | micols | also included with the source :) |
| 05:02.05 | IronRage | i have a question. my computer doesn't get internet and its connected by an ethernet cord to the router the router works the modem works and the cord is fine. So any ideas as to why i'm not getting internet? |
| 05:02.47 | kingsley | micols: Thank you. |
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| 05:03.43 | IronRage | so can anyone help me? |
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| 05:04.41 | IronRage | ... |
| 05:04.46 | micols | IronRage: you didnt tell us your linux distribution |
| 05:04.52 | IronRage | debian? |
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| 05:05.11 | mohadib | were/how does debian set history entry limit for bash? |
| 05:05.12 | micols | if using dhcp, edit /etc/network/interfaces as root |
| 05:05.23 | IronRage | i'm not sure what to edit tho |
| 05:05.24 | micols | add iface lo eth0 eth1 auto |
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| 05:05.29 | IronRage | ok |
| 05:05.36 | IronRage | now how do i enter the /etc/ |
| 05:05.36 | mohadib | i see how i can export it in my profile , but wondering if its set somewhere already |
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| 05:05.43 | kingsley | IronRage: It seems to me that you might try using some commands to diagnose the problem. For example, "ifconfig" and "lspci -vvv" come to mind... |
| 05:05.45 | micols | and iface eth0 inet dhcp and iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 05:05.53 | micols | then do a ifdown -a;ifup -a;dhclient |
| 05:06.07 | micols | add those as new lines in the file. |
| 05:06.08 | kingsley | mohadib: man bash |
| 05:06.13 | IronRage | KineticBug i'm fairly new to debian |
| 05:06.46 | micols | IronRage: perhaps debian was the wrong choice, if you're not willing to google :) |
| 05:06.59 | IronRage | micols i did and didn't really find anything |
| 05:06.59 | mohadib | kingsley: thanks , i see its 500 :) |
| 05:07.05 | IronRage | then again i'm not very good at using google |
| 05:07.12 | kingsley | mohadib: You're welcome. |
| 05:07.17 | micols | IronRage: i can find many thousand hits on interfaces file example |
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| 05:07.50 | micols | but try ifconfig, and paste that on pastebin to help us, also paste output of 'dmesg' and 'lspci' (apt-get install lspci) |
| 05:07.52 | kingsley | IronRage: Sometimes there's a menu option to configure your network card. |
| 05:08.05 | micols | we cannot help you without output from those programs |
| 05:08.06 | IronRage | well a reason i was confused |
| 05:08.19 | IronRage | was because i had internet like 12 hours ago got on my comp and didn't |
| 05:08.42 | IronRage | and i'm using someone elses computer atm |
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| 05:09.10 | jaggz1 | why is my DISPLAY not being set? I have forwarding enabled in sshd_config and the client ssh_config |
| 05:09.22 | kingsley | IronRage: If you're new to linux, unix or computers, it seems to me that you'd be happier with a more user friendly distribution than debian. Ubuntu would be a good choice. |
| 05:09.32 | IronRage | i was on ubuntu |
| 05:09.40 | IronRage | switched to debian |
| 05:09.42 | IronRage | its been pretty good |
| 05:09.46 | IronRage | until this internet issue |
| 05:09.51 | jaggz1 | what's the issue? |
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| 05:12.03 | schwepps | how do i get a list of all installed packages? from command line |
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| 05:12.22 | SQLDb | schwepps: dpkg -l | grep "ii" |
| 05:12.24 | SQLDb | I htink |
| 05:12.28 | Nyle | !installed |
| 05:12.29 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 05:12.55 | SQLDb | well that works too... |
| 05:13.09 | schwepps | ok, i'll try yours first,thanks |
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| 05:14.06 | Braden_ | Hello |
| 05:14.11 | Braden_ | I am trying to do: man gcc |
| 05:14.17 | Braden_ | but it says the documentation doesn't exist |
| 05:14.18 | Braden_ | However |
| 05:14.28 | Braden_ | I have the packets gcc-2.95-docs installed |
| 05:14.32 | Braden_ | package even |
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| 05:15.32 | mohadib | hello again |
| 05:15.36 | \amethyst | gcc-2.95-docs? how old is that? |
| 05:16.03 | Braden_ | Its the only gcc docs package in apt-search cache |
| 05:16.05 | Braden_ | ketjkdlg |
| 05:16.07 | Braden_ | apt-cache search |
| 05:16.14 | schwepps | 4/quit |
| 05:16.15 | mohadib | can i make sudo always ask for a password? i keep getting my password in the historyt file because sudo doesnt always prompt me |
| 05:16.23 | benjamindees | micols, apparently I was wrong; genisoimage does support what you're wanting. and I'm not sure why your original command didn't work. |
| 05:16.39 | \amethyst | Braden_: oh, sorry, I missed it because I was looking for -docs not -doc |
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| 05:17.12 | Braden_ | Sorry |
| 05:17.22 | \amethyst | Braden_: that one doesn't seem to have a manpage |
| 05:17.42 | Braden_ | Surely gcc has a manpage |
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| 05:17.57 | \amethyst | Braden_: the 2.95 manpage is in the gcc-2.95 package |
| 05:18.16 | Braden_ | Hmm, 2.95 is kind of old though |
| 05:18.55 | micols | benjamindees: it doesnt support long filenames as you said, but yes i am taring to avoid udf/iso limitations |
| 05:18.57 | \amethyst | Braden_: are you using etch? |
| 05:19.01 | Braden_ | Yep |
| 05:20.09 | enouf | IINM the gcc-doc pkg is a metapackage and is in contrib, but it wants to pull in the real version docs from non-free |
| 05:20.15 | benjamindees | micols, actually that doesn't matter since the command creates an .iso image with a single file, stream.img, which I guess is a tarball. |
| 05:20.36 | \amethyst | Braden_: with gcc 4 the manpages are in the non-free -doc package |
| 05:20.59 | Braden_ | non-free? |
| 05:21.30 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc-doc&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 05:21.33 | \amethyst | Braden_: yes, like much of the FSF's documentation |
| 05:21.50 | enouf | gcc-doc vs gcc-doc-base |
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| 05:22.28 | enouf | will never understand how this can be |
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| 05:23.29 | enouf | if people want to argue about what the term "free" means - well heh, then i can see where all the nonsense comes from ;-) |
| 05:23.50 | Braden_ | enouf: I am confused myself, but right now all I care about are getting those docs. |
| 05:23.58 | \amethyst | enouf: I think the argument in this case is more about what "software" means :) |
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| 05:24.10 | enouf | heh |
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| 05:25.07 | Braden_ | What do I need to add to my sources.list to download gcc-doc? |
| 05:25.28 | \amethyst | !non-free |
| 05:25.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 05:25.42 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:25.48 | \amethyst | !non-free sources |
| 05:25.48 | dpkg | non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 05:26.59 | hti_pro | anyone have any idea why i would not have a panel after login to gnome |
| 05:27.19 | mohadib | gnome-panel didnt get started? |
| 05:28.01 | hti_pro | should that be in the /usr/bin/ directory |
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| 05:28.03 | dbmoodb | ... |
| 05:28.04 | enouf | Package: gcc-4.1-doc (4.1.1.nf3-1) [non-free] |
| 05:28.23 | hti_pro | because I have gnome-panel-screenshot but no gnome-panel |
| 05:28.30 | dbmoodb | hi there my lenny gdm / xserver is hating my monitor any one got any tips ? (its an ati card using a 19" monitor seems to be setting the wrong resolution) |
| 05:28.43 | mohadib | hti_pro: so i assume gnome-panel never worked? |
| 05:29.00 | hti_pro | never really logged in to this server with a gui |
| 05:29.02 | hti_pro | so no |
| 05:29.05 | mohadib | ah |
| 05:29.14 | mohadib | apt-get it |
| 05:29.27 | mohadib | it should have came with a meta package i think |
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| 05:29.54 | hti_pro | I am really surprised I don't have that. It is downloading now |
| 05:30.26 | mohadib | im not |
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| 05:30.41 | mohadib | when i used to use gnome, it could be painful apt-getting all the pkgs |
| 05:30.44 | lindenle | Hi I have trouble with my docking station cdrom when i dock, the USB in the bay works but debian does not see the cdrom |
| 05:30.47 | lindenle | any ideas |
| 05:30.58 | dbmoodb | i have an error message that gdm segfaulted pulling up the error message from the log now ... actually its not providing anything intersting other than saying something about using a tv... which i am not |
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| 05:30.59 | mohadib | and debian/apt didnt really help with a good metapkg or somesuch |
| 05:31.56 | Braden_ | Got them |
| 05:31.57 | Braden_ | Thanks =] |
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| 05:32.40 | enouf | lindenle: is that ultra-bay related? |
| 05:32.52 | lindenle | enouf: yes |
| 05:33.12 | enouf | lindenle: ok .. hrm .. tried thinkwiki.org ? |
| 05:33.52 | lindenle | enouf: I have looked a bit, googling now, but not much luck.. I thought we could put our coconuts together and do some non google debugging |
| 05:33.52 | mohadib | I'm supprised vrms doesnt nag you at all |
| 05:34.02 | mohadib | looks for a --do-nag switch |
| 05:34.04 | enouf | lindenle: ensure lsmod shows sr_mod, scsi_mod and sg when the cdrom drive is connected - but that might be a PCMCIA thing? |
| 05:34.21 | enouf | lindenle: my coconuts are hairy |
| 05:34.28 | dbmoodb | oh and if anyone knows how to increase the font size on a virtual terminal that would be nice to know :) |
| 05:34.33 | enouf | hides |
| 05:34.41 | lindenle | enouf: Im young too ;) |
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| 05:34.57 | lindenle | enouf: checking http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UltraBase_X6 |
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| 05:36.28 | lindenle | enouf: it is all fucking euro trash SUSE shit |
| 05:36.52 | lindenle | enouf: but me thinks scsiadd package might be helpful |
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| 05:37.30 | enouf | lindenle: ahh , also try scsi-tools ? |
| 05:37.44 | enouf | lindenle: and sg-utils |
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| 05:38.01 | lindenle | sg3-utils |
| 05:38.09 | lindenle | all installed |
| 05:38.11 | enouf | there's also a hotswap pkg but for IDE Hotbays only? |
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| 05:38.34 | enouf | lindenle: well. you can learn to do it manually too = http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625 |
| 05:38.37 | lindenle | ime thinks it is not IDE hence the flaburginatsation |
| 05:38.49 | if | Hello! Does someone observe strange thing with udev in sid? |
| 05:38.51 | lindenle | been there done that |
| 05:39.11 | lindenle | enouf: that is how I roll with old |
| 05:39.11 | lindenle | tape drives |
| 05:39.19 | enouf | ahh |
| 05:39.28 | enouf | tar man eh? :-p |
| 05:39.43 | lindenle | oh yaya |
| 05:39.53 | lindenle | i guess my coconut is not so hairy after all |
| 05:40.03 | lindenle | but my grapes is |
| 05:40.19 | enouf | "the darker the grape, the sweeter the wine" |
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| 05:40.38 | lindenle | dat8 what! |
| 05:40.45 | lindenle | mmmm wine |
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| 05:40.55 | lindenle | speaking of...where is that wench |
| 05:41.41 | lindenle | ok tomorrow I try scsiadd -s |
| 05:41.54 | enouf | tomorrow? O_k |
| 05:42.03 | lindenle | and then add it to setup_office.sh which handles my oodles of monitors and peripherals ;) |
| 05:42.13 | lindenle | no toys at home |
| 05:42.47 | lindenle | only ancient hardware that out performs windows on new hardware hand down |
| 05:42.57 | enouf | bingo |
| 05:42.59 | lindenle | im at a terminal , welcome to my hood |
| 05:43.01 | kanzure | Somebody has named a file "-.xml". How do I mv/rm it? |
| 05:43.11 | lindenle | rm -- -.xml |
| 05:43.14 | enouf | rm ./-- |
| 05:43.24 | enouf | man rm |
| 05:43.29 | kanzure | thank you |
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| 05:43.42 | lindenle | enouf : i ca;l that a tie |
| 05:43.59 | enouf | you type faster though :-p |
| 05:44.14 | lindenle | im further along the imbibe trail |
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| 05:45.02 | lindenle | enouf: check this.. i asked a legitamite question on #bash today and they replied echo $(poweroff) |
| 05:45.06 | lindenle | as if! |
| 05:45.20 | enouf | wtf? |
| 05:45.25 | if | anybody got sid? does udev working fine? |
| 05:45.38 | infinitycircuit | if: yes the fix for the missing udevtrigger binary has been uploaded |
| 05:45.40 | enouf | if: should be fine - checked BTS ? |
| 05:45.58 | infinitycircuit | if: nevermind just kidding i don't have it yet |
| 05:46.33 | lindenle | if: I am using mixed with sid and I am fine |
| 05:46.33 | if | thanks a lot ;) i'll try to apply a fix now |
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| 05:47.10 | lindenle | !beer enouf |
| 05:47.10 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for enouf |
| 05:47.34 | if | i resurrected manualy my system to the point that i'm sure there's no data loss by booting into init=/bin/bash and some trickery, but it's not enough ;) |
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| 05:47.51 | infinitycircuit | if: what exactly happened? my sid systems boot fine with the new udev |
| 05:47.59 | enouf | lindenle: something worked i presume? ;-) thanks for the beer matr |
| 05:48.02 | lindenle | if: Im sorry but you are being a bit vague, we crave details |
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| 05:48.25 | if | well, i rebooted, and the first thing i noticed there's no /dev/sd* |
| 05:48.26 | lindenle | enouf: just enjoying a sane communication partner for a change |
| 05:48.36 | enouf | if: how up to date are you? you broke it real recently you mean? |
| 05:48.46 | if | yesterday ;) |
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| 05:48.51 | enouf | lindenle: aye - i know that feeling ... |
| 05:48.58 | infinitycircuit | if: are you sure this isn't a libata transition? |
| 05:48.59 | enouf | if: congrats |
| 05:49.04 | enouf | !win if |
| 05:49.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, if! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 05:49.16 | if | also, it's Lenovo X61, so there's a lot of possibilities of various errors |
| 05:49.41 | lindenle | if: im rocking the same paper weight |
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| 05:49.45 | lindenle | if: nice choice |
| 05:49.54 | if | and i have always compiled kernel myself, and with 2.6.25.[9-10] this happened ;) |
| 05:50.16 | lindenle | if: take deep breath and tell us the whole story |
| 05:50.25 | lindenle | cracks knuckles |
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| 05:51.01 | enouf | hehe |
| 05:51.17 | lindenle | if: by the way the intel %&^* mobile card sucks |
| 05:51.25 | enouf | grabs the large pliers |
| 05:51.31 | if | long story short -- i skipped that sometimes my laptop not waking up. no big deal, i trust reiserfs, never loss anything. yesterday it wont boot -- no /dev/sda*, no /dev/shm |
| 05:51.34 | lindenle | eek the jaws of life |
| 05:51.54 | if | updated few hours ago before that |
| 05:52.03 | lindenle | and you are running pure sid? |
| 05:52.14 | micols | when i paste some code in vim in insert mode it keeps tabbing more and more in, what is the reason for this? badly tabbed code? i tried tabstop 8 and 10 |
| 05:52.22 | \amethyst | hm, possibly need to rebuild an initrd or something? |
| 05:52.23 | lindenle | with custome kernel? are you sure you built the initrd correctly? |
| 05:52.28 | if | so i booted into init=/bin/bash and tried hacking on initskripts, inserting mknods where appropriate |
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| 05:52.31 | lindenle | \amethyst:jinx |
| 05:52.35 | enouf | if: how about last kernel change? was that part of the "update" ? |
| 05:53.07 | lindenle | if: I concur this seems like kernel issue... |
| 05:53.08 | if | there's no initrd and never been -- all critical for booting modules i compile right in, 1.5MB kernel is normal these days ;) |
| 05:53.16 | \amethyst | micols: it's because of autoindent combined with the fact that when you paste the application thinks you typed the stuff |
| 05:53.36 | micols | \amethyst: so i should make a macro for disabling indent? |
| 05:53.40 | micols | for pasting |
| 05:53.42 | enouf | if: vanilla sources or debian sources? |
| 05:53.43 | if | also, the previous kernel definitely booted -- that was 2.6.25.9 |
| 05:53.43 | \amethyst | micols: :set paste |
| 05:53.46 | lindenle | if: debian uses initrd by defualt unless i am mistaken |
| 05:53.49 | if | vanilla sources |
| 05:53.53 | \amethyst | micols: then :set nopaste when you're done |
| 05:53.57 | enouf | if: can you reboot into that kernel? |
| 05:53.59 | dbmoodb | yeah ah guys can anyone help me out here i don't have mym xserver working :( |
| 05:54.03 | micols | \amethyst: thats annoy |
| 05:54.05 | enouf | lindenle: it does |
| 05:54.09 | micols | ng , if you paste a lot :) |
| 05:54.10 | \amethyst | micols: you can :set pasteinv=<F11> to make F11 toggle paste mode |
| 05:54.16 | if | yes. kernel itself works fine, grub sees all the devices |
| 05:54.18 | enouf | lindenle: he's a 1337 kernel hacker though :-p |
| 05:54.21 | lindenle | if: so at some point you had initrd |
| 05:54.25 | dbmoodb | its something to do with the change in monitor detection on lenny and the new gdm or xorg... |
| 05:54.37 | \amethyst | micols: if you're in an xterm and running a version of vim that supports X you can do "+p or "*p to paste the CLIPBOARD or PRIMARY selection, repectively |
| 05:54.40 | micols | \amethyst: cool, ill try that, could i make it switch insert mode too? |
| 05:54.47 | minerale | are there plans for 4gb sodimm memory modules out there? |
| 05:54.53 | enouf | if: so, why not just use older working kernel? |
| 05:55.13 | \amethyst | micols: oops sorry |
| 05:55.16 | micols | \amethyst: yes vim.full and xorg |
| 05:55.24 | \amethyst | micols: it's pastetoggle not pasteinv |
| 05:55.28 | lindenle | LEET! |
| 05:55.46 | \amethyst | micols: then I'd say "*p is better than set paste |
| 05:55.47 | micols | mkinitramfs sucks.. i have to add my modules manually in /etc |
| 05:55.50 | if | well, it's udev that i think no working. devices just not being created, and older kernel behaves like new in this case |
| 05:55.52 | lindenle | if: at least as a debugging point you should try a previous kernel if available |
| 05:55.59 | micols | even though my rootfs is on scsi.. and its a module |
| 05:56.10 | micols | it should load that automatically and be intelligent, but it isnt. |
| 05:56.16 | lindenle | if: you have verified this? |
| 05:56.22 | \amethyst | if: any errors about udev or mounting /dev in the logs? |
| 05:57.28 | if | well, i'm trying to find out is there anyone else with simular problems ;) google doesnt support -atime for now ;) |
| 05:57.42 | enouf | could try udevcontrol log_priority=err as /etc/udev/udev.conf mentions |
| 05:57.49 | micols | \amethyst: i can only paste the clipboard in vim using +p or *p |
| 05:57.53 | micols | not primary selection |
| 05:58.08 | \amethyst | micols: weird, "*p should be the primary selection |
| 05:58.19 | if | enouf: thanks, i'll try that now |
| 05:58.59 | enouf | if: or maybe debug mode |
| 05:59.29 | micols | if i just do middle mouse it enters insert mode and pastes primary selection \amethyst , but still messes up tabs |
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| 05:59.51 | micols | would be nice if middle mouse would toggle tabinv |
| 06:00.08 | micols | pastetoggle even |
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| 06:00.18 | \amethyst | micols: another thing you can do is :set mouse=a |
| 06:00.37 | micols | for append? |
| 06:00.38 | dbmoodb | lindenle: it has been said that it is not very leet to say leet |
| 06:00.46 | \amethyst | micols: for 'all modes' |
| 06:00.53 | micols | uh, worked |
| 06:00.53 | lindenle | :( |
| 06:01.01 | micols | thanks :) the reason why i didnt use my vim :) |
| 06:01.12 | \amethyst | micols: that makes middle-mouse do the same thing as "*p |
| 06:01.15 | micols | also, default vim fails to recognize i for insert mode |
| 06:01.19 | micols | in etch on all my computers. |
| 06:01.21 | \amethyst | (by default--you can rebind them) |
| 06:01.25 | \amethyst | err? |
| 06:01.29 | micols | i have to install vim.full before it recognizes i |
| 06:01.30 | \amethyst | what happens when you press i? |
| 06:01.46 | micols | it does something weird, not insert mode |
| 06:02.00 | enouf | micols: you sure that vim-full is installed? |
| 06:02.13 | micols | enouf: its just default etch , or even rescue debian cd |
| 06:02.23 | \amethyst | micols: weird in that arrow keys don't work? |
| 06:02.29 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether grub expects menu.lst to address the hard drive as "hd0" or "sd0" on a system that has both IDE and SATA drives? |
| 06:02.35 | micols | \amethyst: i dont remember if they worked, but i dont think so |
| 06:02.45 | enouf | no, tjhere's vim.tiny and vim.basic or someshit |
| 06:02.58 | micols | i dont expect them to work.. but i guess debian ships with tiny or basic vim |
| 06:03.05 | micols | and that one seems buggy on my machines at least. |
| 06:03.12 | micols | works as soon as i install vim-full |
| 06:03.14 | \amethyst | micols: that's normal compatible behaviour. it's only enabled if: 1. you start vim.tiny as 'vi' or 2. you don't have a vimrc |
| 06:03.15 | enouf | ~$ readlink -f `which vim` |
| 06:03.17 | enouf | /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 06:03.22 | \amethyst | I might be wrong about the details |
| 06:03.30 | micols | \amethyst: i should work always? |
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| 06:03.37 | micols | insert doesnt work either :) |
| 06:03.47 | \amethyst | micols: i should work, but arrow keys shouldn't work in insert mode in compatible mode |
| 06:03.51 | micols | happens both on laptop,workstation and server. |
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| 06:04.48 | micols | it seems like a bug, it works sometimes i remember under certain conditions. |
| 06:04.49 | preds | About to head to a computer store to grab a mobo - does anyone know if the P45/ICH10 chipset works with the installer |
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| 06:05.06 | ddalton | where should I start configuring my Netgear WG511T with madwifi. anyone know of a howto? |
| 06:05.17 | \amethyst | micols: what is the "something weird" in more detail? |
| 06:05.29 | enouf | kingsley: grub1 is all (hd0) |
| 06:05.30 | infotron | ddalton: how'd you fit debian on that? |
| 06:05.38 | enouf | kingsley: there is no sd0 |
| 06:05.38 | preds | ie does the kernel version in the debian installer support ICH10, I saw a few patches for it in 2.6.24 |
| 06:05.40 | if | kingsley: hd imho. you can try it in grub console though. just press tab ;) |
| 06:05.45 | micols | \amethyst: thats a word for saying i dont completely remember, but it happened to me on 3 machines not long ago (1month) |
| 06:05.58 | micols | \amethyst: its like numglitch in 'nano' |
| 06:06.03 | \amethyst | micols: does it happen if you explicitly start it as vim.tiny ? |
| 06:06.04 | lindenle | ddalton: I use openWRT |
| 06:06.05 | micols | then it would work sometimes :) |
| 06:06.28 | \amethyst | numglitch? |
| 06:06.30 | micols | yes \amethyst it definitely does |
| 06:06.38 | ddalton | infotron: ? |
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| 06:06.52 | \amethyst | micols: you mean starting it as vim.tiny does exhibit the bug? |
| 06:06.58 | micols | yes |
| 06:07.07 | micols | and its even with netinstall with all security updates. |
| 06:07.12 | lindenle | ddalton: is that a router or a wireless card |
| 06:07.17 | \amethyst | micols: mind coming to #vim and explaining what it's doing in more detail? |
| 06:07.27 | lindenle | ddalton: we are thinking of WRTG... something something |
| 06:07.31 | micols | \amethyst: the problem is that i have installed vim-full now , and then it works. |
| 06:07.34 | enouf | lindenle: and infotron ddalton is physically blind, so his scroll goes fast and misses stuff in his various forms of irc interacting, braille, speakup, whatever he's using - so please go easy with him, thank you |
| 06:07.42 | ddalton | I mean configuring the wireless pcmcia card on my linux laptop. |
| 06:07.51 | micols | \amethyst: but it fails in a fresh debian etch, either from cd (tried a few versions on cd also netboot) |
| 06:08.09 | micols | vim.tiny works after installing vim-full |
| 06:08.21 | micols | so i dont know what is wrong, the shipped vim with debian seems broken. |
| 06:08.23 | lindenle | ddalton: apologies , thought you were talking about linksys routers |
| 06:08.42 | ddalton | nup, already got one of those. |
| 06:08.46 | ddalton | nice units. |
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| 06:08.53 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 06:09.05 | cr3rzemjest | um |
| 06:09.06 | \amethyst | micols: without being able to remember what 'broken' means, I don't know if anyone can help much |
| 06:09.08 | dbmoodb | mmm lenny is freezing up and gdm is the dead.... is this happening for anyone else ? |
| 06:09.24 | \amethyst | micols: was it like, you press i and it beeps at you? |
| 06:09.31 | micols | \amethyst: it means that neither i or insert will work in 'vim' from /usr/bin on a default etch baseinstall |
| 06:09.36 | micols | on my computers |
| 06:09.36 | \amethyst | micols: or you press i and start typing and the text doesn't display ? |
| 06:09.52 | micols | yes it beeped at me i think |
| 06:10.05 | micols | and went into some weird mode, not insert mode that is for sure :) |
| 06:10.16 | \amethyst | weird how? |
| 06:10.20 | \amethyst | colon prompts? |
| 06:10.27 | micols | no.. no colon prompts |
| 06:10.33 | micols | it was perhaps more like append mode |
| 06:10.38 | cr3rzemjest | how do u deal with daemons? in Fedora, i was used to use 'service' and i knew all deamon scripts were in /etc/rc.d/init.d/, but in debian? how do i type in command such as "sshd stop" "sshd start"? |
| 06:10.42 | lindenle | !tell ddalton about madwifi |
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| 06:10.47 | micols | but not completely sure.. i just did :q! always when it happened |
| 06:10.54 | infinitycircuit | cr3rzemjest: /etc/init.d/sshd start|stop |
| 06:10.57 | \amethyst | micols: what do you mean by 'append mode' ? |
| 06:11.26 | infotron | how can I prevent my monitor from turning off? It's going out, and it seems to have issues when it's warming back up. |
| 06:11.27 | micols | i think it did move the cursor or something |
| 06:11.35 | micols | one place, or replace the text |
| 06:11.41 | infinitycircuit | micols: did it go into visual mode? |
| 06:11.44 | micols | but i wasnt able to type anything. except commands. |
| 06:11.48 | micols | with : |
| 06:11.52 | cr3rzemjest | infinitycircuit, but what if no such file exists? then what? |
| 06:12.11 | micols | infinitycircuit: i am not sure |
| 06:12.14 | infinitycircuit | cr3rzemjest: then openssh-server is not installed or lacks config files |
| 06:12.18 | micols | infinitycircuit: dont remember if it said VISUAL down there |
| 06:12.19 | infinitycircuit | !tell cr3rzemjest about confmiss |
| 06:13.13 | micols | are you maintaners on the package since you ask all those questions, because then i might be willing to help and setup a clean debian etch baseinstall and test it again |
| 06:13.20 | dbmoodb | cr3rzemjest: make an alias |
| 06:13.34 | cr3rzemjest | dbmoodb, to what? |
| 06:13.36 | micols | as i said, it happened on all my systems, i just didnt have the time to file a bugreport, also it worked when i installed vim-full |
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| 06:13.47 | dbmoodb | /etc/init.d/ to service perhaps ? |
| 06:14.02 | \amethyst | micols: you might talk with jamessan in #vim at some point (don't think he's awake right now) |
| 06:14.11 | \amethyst | micols: he's one of the Debian vim maintainers |
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| 06:14.43 | dbmoodb | mmm lovely my xserver thinks my output is limited to 320xblah (small on my 19" monitor.. fun |
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| 06:15.31 | cr3rzemjest | hm, can somebody tell me the reason why the actual sshd script is a file called SSH? |
| 06:15.48 | cr3rzemjest | i mean /etc/init.d/ssh should be sshd |
| 06:16.26 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.33 | cr3rzemjest | lindenle, ok |
| 06:16.36 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.39 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: because init scripts aren't always named after the daemons they start, but on the name of the service |
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| 06:16.52 | \amethyst | s/but on/but sometimes on/ |
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| 06:16.57 | lindenle | remebers openssh-server ;) |
| 06:17.01 | cr3rzemjest | ok i didn't know, thx |
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| 06:17.53 | lindenle | s/remebers/remembers/ |
| 06:17.54 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: in part the same reason there is /etc/init.d/bind9 even though the daemon is called named |
| 06:18.12 | lindenle | or why slapd is ldap |
| 06:18.33 | \amethyst | lindenle's example is probably a better one |
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| 06:18.56 | lindenle | is wrong though...and surprised |
| 06:18.57 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/qOjIzx84.html what is wrong with this SSH forward script? |
| 06:18.58 | micols | for iptables |
| 06:19.10 | micols | iptables -L didnt help me much |
| 06:19.13 | \amethyst | lindenle: oh, I just noticed that :) |
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| 06:19.16 | enouf | lindenle: yeah, i found the madwifi factoid, then did listvals for wrt511t, which then circles back to main madwifi factoid :-P |
| 06:19.21 | micols | it doesnt forward the port |
| 06:19.35 | lindenle | enouf: yeah that is kind of useless huh |
| 06:19.51 | micols | ext_ip is defined in the script, i just didnt paste it with it |
| 06:20.32 | enouf | lindenle: well, so long as there's some specific (up to date) info at where those URLs are |
| 06:20.45 | kingsley | if, I'm trying your advice of pressing the <tab> key in grub's console to see which drives it recognizes. What command would you suggest having grub's console auto-complete? |
| 06:20.46 | lindenle | micols: is there an error in line 25? |
| 06:20.57 | micols | i thought it should be eth0 eth1 |
| 06:21.06 | micols | but if i do that my client loses connection to the internet |
| 06:21.26 | micols | this actually works, except for ssh port forward |
| 06:21.27 | lindenle | micols: looking at man iptables be back |
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| 06:23.05 | lindenle | micols: can you explain that statement, I dont see an explicit port forward in the script |
| 06:23.27 | micols | i want to forward port 9000 from my gateway to my internal ssh server on the LAN |
| 06:23.40 | lindenle | micols: oh the commented code? |
| 06:23.46 | micols | and then ofcourse forward all lan packets from lanclientip:22 to the outer |
| 06:23.56 | micols | oh yes lindenle , i commented it because it didnt work |
| 06:24.11 | lindenle | micols: oh sorry i was confused ... looking |
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| 06:24.45 | micols | is udp reasonable to forward for ssh i wonder, tcp should be enough in most cases? |
| 06:24.56 | micols | perhaps only putty uses udp |
| 06:25.04 | lindenle | micols: i think tcp is enough for most |
| 06:25.17 | lindenle | micols: I have a script that does this on my router...looking |
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| 06:25.49 | \amethyst | micols: you don't forward the outgoing packets, do you? |
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| 06:26.07 | micols | i do \amethyst #iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d 192.168.0.2 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.1 |
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| 06:26.14 | micols | i think :) |
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| 06:26.44 | lindenle | micols: http://pastebin.ca/1066416 |
| 06:26.51 | micols | but i am not an expert in iptables, i couldnt find any better snippets than that one i am using. |
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| 06:27.04 | akio | I'm using a livecd and I'm having trouble umounting after mounting with mount -n /dev/sdb1 |
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| 06:27.13 | \amethyst | micols: that just tricks the ssh server into thinking it's talking to the firewall |
| 06:27.23 | yigal | has anyone used dvifb successfully? |
| 06:27.33 | micols | \amethyst: i tried without and that didnt work out so i added that line |
| 06:27.51 | micols | but it should of course be rerouted to destination ip somehow |
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| 06:28.37 | micols | lindenle: any idea what my -A name should be ? |
| 06:28.42 | micols | i dont have defined any names yet |
| 06:28.49 | lindenle | moment |
| 06:28.54 | lindenle | looking at your paste |
| 06:28.59 | micols | iptables -t nat -A prerouting_wan you got this, and i dont have any names defined. |
| 06:29.10 | lindenle | PREROUTING |
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| 06:29.27 | micols | that was what i was thinking too , great :) |
| 06:29.34 | lindenle | let us know |
| 06:29.34 | lindenle | ok |
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| 06:30.44 | micols | oh i did read you cannot use port number with -d host |
| 06:30.45 | lindenle | get rid of the -d stuff |
| 06:30.52 | Zeroyez | Alright, where's the update manager for lenny + xfce? Or is it non-graphical? |
| 06:30.56 | micols | i want to map port 9000 outer to port 22 inner |
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| 06:31.30 | lindenle | --dport 9000 -j DNAT --to $int_ip:22 |
| 06:31.37 | lindenle | im mapping 22 to 22 |
| 06:31.46 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/giuSgo37.html |
| 06:32.06 | micols | yes but where you open the port, there needs not to be any destination port (line 2) ? |
| 06:32.06 | infinitycircuit | Zeroyez: you can just use synaptic if you need a gui |
| 06:32.16 | micols | so :22 just remove that? |
| 06:32.17 | lindenle | micols: second line should have -A FORWARD |
| 06:32.29 | Zeroyez | Okay |
| 06:32.29 | lindenle | i think |
| 06:32.33 | sladi | Zeroyez: there is an aptitude gtk port but not finished |
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| 06:33.57 | micols | lindenle: http://rafb.net/p/xKSp8P39.html |
| 06:34.01 | dbmoodb | hi there i'm on debian lenny and my xserver is not being bullet proof it is actually freezing this computer i have an ati grahpics card from the logs it would appear that my monitor is being detected inncorrectly ... can anyone help me out seeing that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg NO longer can / does set my monitor settings.... |
| 06:34.10 | micols | i dont get a connection, but it doesnt complain |
| 06:34.28 | micols | tried both telnet and ssh, it just keeps connecting |
| 06:34.38 | enouf | kingsley: you could do "root (hd[TAB]" or "find /boot/grub.stage1" |
| 06:34.41 | micols | perhaps waiting for LAN client answer. |
| 06:34.45 | Nyle | enouf, go to sleep! |
| 06:34.49 | enouf | kingsley: er "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 06:35.04 | enouf | Nyle: c'mere, pull my finger ;-P |
| 06:35.12 | Nyle | eeek! |
| 06:35.13 | lindenle | micols: on second line you need to get rid of :22 |
| 06:35.22 | micols | i did that lindenle , look at new paste |
| 06:35.30 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/xKSp8P39.html |
| 06:35.33 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/index.php |
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| 06:36.03 | Zeroyez | Oh another question I meant to ask, when installing any debian distro on my desktop PC, I get "BIOS Bug:...(I can't remember)" and "nobody cared" "use irqpoll" |
| 06:36.11 | lindenle | micols: ok so what happens when you ssh ext_ip:9000 |
| 06:36.23 | Zeroyez | so I try with irqpoll, it installs all fine, but then I'm unable to run x server |
| 06:36.51 | Zeroyez | oddly it only happens with debian |
| 06:36.56 | dbmoodb | etch yeah ? |
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| 06:37.04 | Zeroyez | both etch and lenny |
| 06:37.10 | micols | lindenle: it waits |
| 06:37.16 | micols | michael@mws:~% ssh linux.rlogin.org -p 9000 |
| 06:37.17 | micols | ssh: connect to host linux.rlogin.org port 9000: Connection timed out |
| 06:37.26 | micols | whops lol.. did just give out my ip :) |
| 06:37.38 | lindenle | my bas I taunted you to it |
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| 06:37.48 | lindenle | ssh dict attacj imminent |
| 06:37.50 | dbmoodb | your dns out you mean |
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| 06:37.52 | enouf | Nyle: ok .. cool |
| 06:37.53 | lindenle | get denyhosts |
| 06:38.04 | dbmoodb | fail2ban is also good |
| 06:38.18 | sladi | Zeroyes: poll seems to be bad. I read you can wait a bit before loading the kernel so the bios can finish doing something and the kernel won't complain ^^ |
| 06:38.50 | IronRage | ok, so I have debian. And the internet was working for awhile. Then today the internet cut out. I use an ethernet cord and have plugged it into both the modem and router a nd switched cords and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 06:38.56 | lindenle | micols: let me play for a minute |
| 06:39.00 | lindenle | brb |
| 06:39.05 | Zeroyez | Hmm, don't know how to do that |
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| 06:39.27 | micols | hehe a photogallery you made Nyle ? |
| 06:39.54 | enouf | Zeroyez: there are other options like pci=routeirq you could try, but more info is needed about your setup, year, chipset, etc |
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| 06:39.56 | sladi | Zeroyez: just wait some seconds at grub before loading linux AFAIK. |
| 06:40.18 | Zeroyez | Okay |
| 06:40.21 | enouf | Zeroyez: the Xserver starting or not should have nothing to do with those kernel params though |
| 06:40.35 | lindenle | micols do you have PREROUTING DEFINED? |
| 06:40.42 | micols | no lindenle |
| 06:40.47 | lindenle | ah ok |
| 06:40.49 | lindenle | moment |
| 06:40.49 | micols | i dont have any names defined |
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| 06:41.09 | lindenle | new paste coming |
| 06:41.16 | jstad | I am having big php apt-get problems if anyone can help me out :) |
| 06:41.18 | micols | but POSTROUTING works so PREROUTING should as well |
| 06:41.26 | Zeroyez | Oh, also - I want to get rid of "Warning: You are using the root account, you may harm your system" message in File Manager :P |
| 06:41.27 | micols | i use POSTROUTING for masq and that works |
| 06:41.36 | Zeroyez | Without going non-root |
| 06:41.39 | sladi | Zeroyez: for me it seems a bios update fixed it though |
| 06:41.46 | kingsley | enouf: I'll try one or both... |
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| 06:42.21 | Zeroyez | Maybe I will try a BIOS update |
| 06:42.24 | Zeroyez | Thanks |
| 06:42.31 | sladi | Zeroyez: np |
| 06:42.46 | lindenle | micols: why doesn't iptable -L show PREROUTING |
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| 06:42.54 | micols | i wonder. |
| 06:43.04 | mohadib | heh |
| 06:43.13 | mohadib | iptables -t nat -L |
| 06:43.15 | enouf | yeah, BIOS upgrade is usually something to look into for crap BIOSes' |
| 06:43.24 | lindenle | mohadib: +1 |
| 06:43.26 | dbmoodb | fine no one tell me how to fix my xserver ... its not working and i have now set the resolutions ... |
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| 06:43.47 | sladi | actually it seems the kernel is old in that part and should be updated ^^ |
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| 06:44.04 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/fxnbGn16.html |
| 06:44.26 | micols | dont bother line 4 :) |
| 06:44.35 | enouf | dbmoodb: you would need to be more specific, but personally, i need to go afk for a while now |
| 06:44.35 | lindenle | what is that DROp? |
| 06:45.09 | lindenle | well dpt is wronf |
| 06:45.10 | lindenle | g |
| 06:45.26 | lindenle | nm sorry |
| 06:45.28 | lindenle | im wrong |
| 06:45.33 | micols | what does dpt mean |
| 06:45.34 | lindenle | too sleepy to do iptbales |
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| 06:46.06 | sladi | dbmoodb: did you try the vesa driver? I had ati on 64bit and it didn't work |
| 06:46.12 | micols | oh lol lindenle |
| 06:46.15 | micols | please look at my masquerade |
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| 06:46.26 | micols | does that mean that my server is masquedading ANYONE ? |
| 06:46.31 | dbmoodb | sure sure. but i have an 9600 ati graphics card (an old one) and i am on debian lenny. when i start gdm / restart it / go to it it just shows a small boxish thing at the top and the screen is black.. the box flickers white ish. my keyboard goes weird and that's about it . also i did manage to get it too panic . the drivers / config have been perfect i think the last xserver update for lenny has broken something |
| 06:46.34 | micols | if someone connects he could use my server as relay? |
| 06:47.14 | enouf | !bts |
| 06:47.14 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 06:48.34 | lindenle | ok imgoing to run a test |
| 06:48.54 | mohadib | micols: it means that the box will do NAT |
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| 06:50.23 | micols | mohadib: so i dont have to worry of internet clients relaying on my server? |
| 06:50.38 | kingsley | enouf: Thanks, that helped. |
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| 06:50.56 | lindenle | micols: yeah that is bad... |
| 06:51.02 | kingsley | needs to go to reboot... |
| 06:51.04 | lindenle | i tested |
| 06:51.14 | lindenle | and it works what i pasted for you |
| 06:51.24 | mohadib | micols: do you want the box to do internet connection sharing? |
| 06:51.36 | dbmoodb | there is only one bug -- xserver-xorg fails to start on an sun blah... |
| 06:51.37 | lindenle | sleep ... ing |
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| 06:52.38 | dbmoodb | should i file a bug report ? |
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| 06:52.51 | infinitycircuit | this is a simple question but if i have command | grep X | grep Y, is there a way to combine the two greps into one? |
| 06:53.13 | \amethyst | infinitycircuit: not easily, no |
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| 06:53.23 | enouf | dbmoodb: are you using fglrx or any ati 3d drivers? or just plain Xorg ati/radeon ? |
| 06:53.24 | mohadib | micols: if you do , you should lock it down to a set of private ips and an interface , if not turn if off/remove the rule |
| 06:53.27 | if | if anyone interested -- i found a resolution for my sid udev problem. bug #489950 seems to explain exactly what i have. |
| 06:53.28 | infinitycircuit | \amethyst: ok thats fine then i'll just use the two pipes. thankms |
| 06:53.33 | dbmoodb | the open source ati driver enouf |
| 06:53.44 | ddalton | will m-a work with kiernels I built myself from source? |
| 06:53.48 | ddalton | kernels |
| 06:53.56 | enouf | dbmoodb: then sure, file a bug - see the reportbug pkg |
| 06:54.22 | \amethyst | infinitycircuit: you could do grep -E -e 'X.*Y' -e 'Y.*X' but it gets superexponentially more complicated as you have more things you want to AND together |
| 06:54.30 | dbmoodb | enouf: fun lenny is now gui less :) |
| 06:54.31 | \amethyst | err, s/-E // |
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| 06:54.51 | micols | mohadib: http://rafb.net/p/qOjIzx84.html |
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| 06:54.57 | micols | any suggestions how to do that? |
| 06:55.38 | enouf | dbmoodb: could try using 'vesa' from drxx |
| 06:55.45 | enouf | !drxx |
| 06:55.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 06:55.56 | enouf | really needs to go ... |
| 06:55.59 | dbmoodb | enouf: no this is lenny. that doesn't exist |
| 06:56.16 | dbmoodb | cya i will try that apparently my graphics card moved slots tho .. that could fix this |
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| 06:56.35 | wols_ | dbmoodb: you can still edit xorg.conf |
| 06:56.59 | kanzure | I heard that there was some internal politics issues with X11 these days. Is that so? |
| 06:57.12 | mohadib | micols: assuming your lan addressing is like 192.168.0.0/24, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -i eth1 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:57.58 | dbmoodb | wols_: i am doing that |
| 06:58.22 | Crypticfortune | So, about this recent DNS DSA... from what it says in the DSA, someone needs to spoof my resolver's ip in order to do bad things. But this seems too obvious...? If someone can spoof my resolver, it seems like I've already lost the battle at that point...? why is that a problem fixable with just a patch (and not some public key host authentication mojo?)? |
| 06:58.25 | mohadib | also , line 22 should be replaced with a policy |
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| 06:58.49 | micols | what does /24 mean? i never understood that :) |
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| 06:59.05 | wols_ | micols: ipmasq |
| 06:59.18 | mohadib | its cider notation , it means 192.168.0.1-255 |
| 06:59.25 | dbmoodb | versa is just versa yeah as the driver ? |
| 06:59.36 | micols | is it a bit mask or such? 1-255 how can that be /24 ? |
| 06:59.37 | wols_ | dbmoodb: there is no such thing as versa |
| 06:59.50 | wols_ | micols: google CIDR notation |
| 07:00.28 | dbmoodb | oh oops vesa |
| 07:00.31 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 07:01.55 | pumpkin0 | [etch upgraded to lenny] sound only works with 1 program at a time. Some sort of share-the-sound-system is missing. I have no clue where to start. thanks |
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| 07:02.08 | \amethyst | micols: it means the top 24 bits of the mask are set |
| 07:02.12 | infinitycircuit | pumpkin0: check out pulseaudio. there is a guide on the debian forums |
| 07:02.25 | \amethyst | micols: so the top 24 bits are the network, and the bottom 8 the host |
| 07:02.26 | sladi | dbmoodb: yes vesa driver should work |
| 07:02.47 | dbmoodb | it does that does work. but i just lost my terminals :( |
| 07:02.55 | micols | 2^8 = 256? |
| 07:02.58 | micols | hosts |
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| 07:03.10 | pumpkin0 | infinitycircuit: i remember working w/o any additional progs. It was something about OSS and alsa.. |
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| 07:03.12 | \amethyst | micols: yes |
| 07:03.22 | lindenle | 0+255=256 |
| 07:03.22 | mohadib | micols: on other note :s , your script never turns on ip forwarding with the kernel , you need to echo 1 into proc somewhere.. |
| 07:03.36 | enouf | micols: echo '2^8' | bc |
| 07:03.41 | micols | oh mohadib i didnt paste it completely, just a sec |
| 07:03.42 | \amethyst | micols: (though .0 and .255 mean something, so there are really only 254 hosts) |
| 07:04.00 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/B6b7aj79.html mohadib |
| 07:04.05 | mohadib | 0 is network , 255 is broadcast |
| 07:04.17 | lindenle | anyone have a killer app I need to play with before I retire |
| 07:04.25 | lindenle | i need to get re geeked for linux |
| 07:04.33 | micols | retire as sysadmin? |
| 07:04.49 | lindenle | retire to sleep ... ha ha |
| 07:04.53 | lindenle | but thanks |
| 07:05.00 | mohadib | micols: you are blocking quake? |
| 07:05.10 | micols | yes |
| 07:05.18 | mohadib | :\ |
| 07:05.28 | micols | only quake4 :), i play all the others |
| 07:05.34 | mohadib | hah |
| 07:06.07 | mohadib | that looks basically right to me , but you should turn on logging , then you can see exactly whats happening |
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| 07:06.29 | lindenle | mohadib: watch out for the sand worms though |
| 07:06.34 | mohadib | :s |
| 07:06.38 | micols | it just times out mohadib , when sshing to port 9000 |
| 07:06.45 | mohadib | ah |
| 07:06.47 | micols | it should SNAT to local ip and then return packets to source ip |
| 07:06.48 | infinitycircuit | enouf: bc is a nice little program i didn't know about...thanks for bringing it up |
| 07:06.57 | micols | DNAT even sorry |
| 07:07.03 | mohadib | ahh , well shsh uses udp too iirc |
| 07:07.05 | lindenle | infinitycircuit: also be aware of -l |
| 07:07.44 | PingFloyd | the python interpreter will work as calculator as well |
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| 07:08.06 | micols | i just added the same lines with udp now mohadib , still times out |
| 07:08.09 | enouf | infinitycircuit: indeed |
| 07:08.19 | DawnLight | hello! |
| 07:08.26 | lindenle | DawnLight: !hi |
| 07:08.27 | micols | and cleared iptables of course, and readded them |
| 07:08.48 | mohadib | micols: i think by the time you hit forward the packet has been DNATed , you you might need to look for dpot of 22 and not 9000 , but im hazy there , loggin ftw! |
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| 07:09.12 | micols | hehe yes mohadib i just dont want to forward port 22 :) |
| 07:09.17 | micols | but im sure it would work |
| 07:09.19 | DawnLight | what do i need to have in the preseed file for d-i not to ask whether i want to use a mirror? |
| 07:09.40 | micols | not running ssh on port 22 on any comps. |
| 07:10.02 | mohadib | then why are you dnating to port 22? |
| 07:10.11 | micols | oh, exception :) |
| 07:10.18 | micols | my internal client runs on port 22 |
| 07:10.33 | micols | but i dont expose anything to the internet with port 22 |
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| 07:10.55 | mohadib | anyway , seriously write a few log rules and see exactly whats getting droped when you ssh |
| 07:10.58 | micols | too many german logins |
| 07:11.03 | lindenle | !security through obscurity |
| 07:11.03 | dpkg | Ok, if you're wanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anything , you're the fool. Hiding things from users normally provides no material security benefit, and causes massive headaches for those who actually use the machine in question. Ask me about <chroot ssh>, <hide ps> and <disable su> |
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| 07:12.15 | mohadib | micols: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/1579/ , add that before your drops |
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| 07:13.20 | dbmoodb | any one know what mtrr: no MTRR for c0000000,1000000 found |
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| 07:14.24 | DawnLight | it is quite frustrating that this preseed thing is something i need to figure out myself via guesswork |
| 07:14.45 | Bushmills | DawnLight: who could that be changed? |
| 07:14.48 | Bushmills | how ... |
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| 07:14.59 | DawnLight | Bushmills: docs |
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| 07:15.06 | Bushmills | DawnLight: ok. write them |
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| 07:15.29 | DawnLight | Bushmills: before i write them i need to figure everythong out |
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| 07:15.36 | micols | mohadib: http://rafb.net/p/w0Y6ge91.html |
| 07:15.40 | Bushmills | who wouldn't have to? |
| 07:15.54 | DawnLight | the engineer, of course |
| 07:16.02 | Bushmills | but they design and implement ... |
| 07:16.23 | micols | and eat potato chips |
| 07:16.27 | DawnLight | and at least they should write some minimal comments on each option |
| 07:16.33 | mohadib | micols: i dont see any ssh traffic there that i can identify |
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| 07:16.46 | mohadib | did you try sshing to it while tyhelogging is in place |
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| 07:16.57 | mohadib | dont use dmesg |
| 07:17.00 | micols | i did telnet linux.rlogin.org 9000 mohadib , but thats tcp |
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| 07:17.04 | mohadib | tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 07:17.12 | DawnLight | should i ask about this in debian-users? |
| 07:17.25 | DawnLight | or debian-boot? |
| 07:17.48 | nubbun1 | Where do I find information about working with the 'Unstable/Sid' branch? |
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| 07:18.08 | micols | lol mohadib .. tail -f.. now i am never going to do while [ 1 ]; do cat .. ; done :P |
| 07:18.29 | mohadib | micols: see , i think your traffic made it through the firewall and nothing is listning on port 9000 |
| 07:18.36 | mohadib | run tcpdump on the host |
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| 07:18.43 | mohadib | and i bet you see packets to port 9000 |
| 07:18.49 | mohadib | would be my guess |
| 07:19.08 | micols | mohadib: too much data for tcpdump :( |
| 07:19.17 | mohadib | you can use wireshark |
| 07:19.18 | micols | perhaps on the port tcpdump just a sec |
| 07:19.22 | nubbun1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 07:19.24 | nubbun1 | has little information. What can I use as a source for install of the unstable branch? |
| 07:19.29 | mohadib | it easily lets you filter/sort |
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| 07:22.55 | ivan_ | hi all, i'm using debian testing, mplayer don't work with error message Segmentation fault after run apt-get dist-upgrade , what can i do for fixed this problem |
| 07:23.03 | saucerful | hey is there a way to make a computer act as a usb client on one of its usb ports? |
| 07:23.10 | micols | mohadib: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aAMpohwat |
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| 07:23.19 | micols | seems my local client sends packets back to my gateway |
| 07:23.24 | saucerful | ie share its hard drive as a usb mass storage to another device |
| 07:23.30 | Bushmills | ivan_: one possibility is to fix it |
| 07:23.30 | micols | when i ssh gateway -p 9000 |
| 07:23.39 | Zeroyez1 | Err, XFCE is so different, where in the world is the drive list? I want to access my windows partition |
| 07:23.45 | saucerful | or would that require different usb hardware on the motherboard |
| 07:23.51 | micols | so seems the client recieves packets from gateway, just that the gateway doesnt return packets to source-ip asking for ssh access |
| 07:23.55 | Zeroyez1 | I keep clicking < but all I can get to is / |
| 07:24.25 | mohadib | micols: do you see dropped packets from the host in the logs |
| 07:24.37 | micols | yes mohadib millions every 3 seconds or so :) |
| 07:24.42 | mohadib | lol |
| 07:24.44 | mohadib | man |
| 07:24.48 | mohadib | grep |
| 07:24.56 | micols | i grepped 9000 |
| 07:24.59 | micols | nothing interesting there |
| 07:25.01 | mohadib | for the src addr |
| 07:25.05 | micols | okay |
| 07:25.07 | mohadib | the box you are sshing from |
| 07:25.21 | micols | i am sshing from my lan client |
| 07:25.40 | mohadib | to your ip on eth0 of the firewall? |
| 07:25.41 | micols | which is using masquerading through gateway, then it connects to my gateway on port 9000 and back to lan client and back to gateway and back again |
| 07:25.45 | micols | :) |
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| 07:25.53 | Bushmills | zeroyez1, something similar would probably happen to me if i found myself in windows suddenly - i guess i'd wonder where the bloody fstab was. |
| 07:25.54 | mohadib | well , that makes it a little harder lol |
| 07:25.56 | Zeroyez | ooops, hit the exit button >.< |
| 07:26.44 | Bushmills | Zeroyez: for "drive list", do fstab -l |
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| 07:26.50 | Zeroyez | Okay |
| 07:26.55 | Bushmills | that's a list of partition what it shows |
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| 07:27.03 | micols | mohadib: lan client (running sshd) -> gateway port 9000 via masq asking for linux.rlogin.org -> same lan client (resolved) -> answer to gateway -> answer to lan client (same as running sshd) |
| 07:27.13 | micols | confusing :) |
| 07:27.25 | Zeroyez | but first of all, how do I install fstab? |
| 07:27.44 | mohadib | micols: dont you have a shell account somewher? |
| 07:27.51 | micols | yes, ill try from there |
| 07:28.00 | Bushmills | you don't. it is a file in every linux installation. you could call it a "system file" |
| 07:28.26 | Zeroyez | bash: fstab: command not found. |
| 07:28.27 | micols | oh mohadib |
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| 07:28.33 | micols | i can ssh from my shell acc :) |
| 07:28.34 | Bushmills | and it tells linux where to in the directory hierarchy to map each partition |
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| 07:28.39 | micols | but not from my local lan client to itself :P |
| 07:28.49 | Zeroyez | *thinks maybe he should go back to gnome* |
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| 07:29.25 | Bushmills | fstab is not related to any graphical desktop environment |
| 07:29.34 | micols | works perfectly mohadib .. from out of the lan :) |
| 07:29.42 | mohadib | micols: nice :) |
| 07:29.50 | micols | but i cannot ssh to the gateway on port 9000 and get in on the lan ... FROM inside the lan |
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| 07:29.59 | Zeroyez | oh I see |
| 07:30.02 | micols | which is very often the case, i got my laptop and want to ssh to workstation |
| 07:30.33 | micols | hm nevermind |
| 07:30.36 | mohadib | micols: cant you ssh directly to the box? |
| 07:30.38 | mohadib | :p |
| 07:30.39 | micols | i guess it works :) |
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| 07:30.52 | micols | just weird i cannot ssh to myself :) |
| 07:31.11 | Bushmills | micols: try to ssh to your computer instead |
| 07:31.15 | micols | must sustain the temptation |
| 07:31.22 | micols | yes localhost works |
| 07:31.30 | Bushmills | maybe the wetware in your brain doesn't run a ssh daemon |
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| 07:31.58 | micols | thanks for the help mohadib :) |
| 07:32.02 | mohadib | np |
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| 07:34.21 | Zeroyez | Ok, how can I mount my NTFS windows partition (on partition #3)? |
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| 07:35.04 | Bushmills | Zeroyez: automatically during boot: add to /etc/fstab. manually: use the mount command |
| 07:35.09 | DawnLight | Zeroyez: you want the ntfs-3g thing from backports |
| 07:35.20 | micols | Zeroyez: mount -t ntfs(-3g) /mnt /dev/hdX |
| 07:35.26 | DawnLight | Zeroyez: if you're using etch |
| 07:35.27 | micols | Zeroyez: mount -t ntfs(-3g) /mnt /dev/hdxY |
| 07:35.38 | Zeroyez | lenny |
| 07:35.40 | micols | i guess the module name is just ntfs :) |
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| 07:36.31 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 07:36.32 | infinitycircuit | Zeroyez: you put device first, mount point second so its mount -t <whatever> /dev/hdxY /mnt |
| 07:36.52 | deathplanter | i removed my selections by mistake and can't re-install stuff |
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| 07:37.06 | deathplanter | how do I make dpkg ignore unpacking errors telling me that the packages are already installed? |
| 07:37.27 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: that's dangerous and there may be a safer way. could you pastebin the exact error? |
| 07:37.41 | micols | sorry Zeroyez listen to infinitycircuit , i was tired, i did switch partition and mountpoint |
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| 07:38.08 | Bushmills | deathplanter: you mean, "error: the file xxx already exists in package yyy" ? |
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| 07:38.36 | Zeroyez | well, fdisk -l returns /dev/sda3 for my windows partition, can I get an exact command for that :S |
| 07:38.37 | Italodance | hi guys |
| 07:38.47 | Italodance | i am looking for some deb games |
| 07:38.53 | Italodance | max payne gta |
| 07:38.57 | Italodance | available? |
| 07:39.03 | Italodance | only deb run file? |
| 07:39.17 | Bushmills | !tell Italodance about enter |
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| 07:39.35 | mohadib | you can play a lot of games on lunix , most of the good ones do not have a .deb file |
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| 07:40.02 | Italodance | mohadib can u show me a list of deb run file games? |
| 07:40.18 | mohadib | what is a deb run file? |
| 07:40.30 | deathplanter | Bushmills: hold on a while,i'll nopaste it |
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| 07:40.57 | Italodance | . |
| 07:41.02 | paul0 | hi |
| 07:41.07 | Italodance | mohadib |
| 07:41.17 | Italodance | a lit of deb games |
| 07:41.22 | Italodance | list |
| 07:41.26 | deathplanter | Bushmills: http://rafb.net/p/G4sCy769.html |
| 07:41.54 | mohadib | Italodance: try apt-cache search games |
| 07:41.55 | paul0 | i've installed sun-java6-jre on my debian (amd64) |
| 07:42.02 | paul0 | but i don't have the "java" command |
| 07:42.15 | paul0 | the sun-java6-bin package is also installed |
| 07:42.24 | Zeroyez | oh yay I did it |
| 07:42.43 | Zeroyez | mount -l ntfs /dev/sda3 /mnt worked nicely |
| 07:42.50 | Italodance | mohadib tnx |
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| 07:42.57 | mohadib | infinitycircuit: np |
| 07:42.58 | Zeroyez | err, -t |
| 07:43.00 | mohadib | er |
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| 07:43.31 | infinitycircuit | paul0: what is the "java" command? |
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| 07:43.53 | paul0 | infinitycircuit, to run java applications from shell |
| 07:44.11 | paul0 | "bash: java: command not foun" |
| 07:44.37 | deathplanter | Bushmills: errr, still here? |
| 07:44.39 | mohadib | paul0: do you have /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.06/jre/bin/java |
| 07:44.40 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: that looks like some serious damage...please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list and try dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:45.02 | PingFloyd | paul0: have you ran update-alternatives? |
| 07:45.09 | Bushmills | deathplanter: me thinks your package db has been corrupted, and i'm not aware of a simple fix for that |
| 07:45.26 | paul0 | mohadib, yes |
| 07:45.40 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: what did you do to get it in that shape? |
| 07:45.43 | Bushmills | deathplanter: what were your actions, leading for this to happen? |
| 07:45.45 | paul0 | PingFloyd, no |
| 07:46.13 | PingFloyd | paul0: try update-alternatives --config java |
| 07:46.15 | deathplanter | Bushmills: kernel started to freeze before loading filesystem driver, so I decided to reinstall... using an ubuntu livecd ;p |
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| 07:46.27 | deathplanter | infinitycircuit: dpkg --configure -a went flawlessly |
| 07:46.33 | deathplanter | it actually outputted nothing |
| 07:46.42 | mohadib | lol |
| 07:46.47 | paul0 | PingFloyd, oh, thanks! |
| 07:47.09 | Bushmills | deathplanter: probably easiest is to restore from backup |
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| 07:47.21 | deathplanter | Bushmills: thank god I have one ;p |
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| 07:48.15 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: i think reinstall is the only option you can't really fix a system that doesn't think it has bash |
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| 07:49.04 | infinitycircuit | or libc6 lol |
| 07:49.26 | Bushmills | deathplanter: if you like to try things out, try: apt-get install $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' ) but this may make the problem even worse. |
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| 07:49.47 | mvt | hiya, what is the best sane way to get a recent nginx instead of the old one on debian etch? |
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| 07:50.20 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: if you really want to try recovering the system i would try by extracting all the priority essentials packages into the system, and then dpkg --force-all -i those packages |
| 07:50.25 | infinitycircuit | from there you could probably rebuild it |
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| 07:50.57 | runlvl | defaced sites: http://www.datasec.info |
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| 07:51.55 | niru | for the machine where there is no apm support with acpi=off what other parametehr can I give |
| 07:52.22 | Bushmills | deathplanter: and should you choose to try that, let me know how that goes |
| 07:52.42 | deathplanter | http://rafb.net/p/vCPyrF17.html |
| 07:52.44 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: actually i'm pretty sure you can fix the system pretty easily using that method |
| 07:52.45 | deathplanter | what about this one? |
| 07:52.48 | pulp | ive just installed debian but when i start up and x loads i get a blank screne out "out of range" from my monitor. i try switching to another VT (ctrl+alt+f1-f12) with no luck |
| 07:52.49 | pulp | any ideas? |
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| 07:53.05 | pulp | *blank screen and |
| 07:53.11 | pulp | ;o |
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| 07:54.11 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: you can try dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb / && dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb |
| 07:54.36 | PingFloyd | pulp: means X isn't negotiating proper timings |
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| 07:55.15 | pulp | PingFloyd: like the vertical and horizontal Hz for my monitor? |
| 07:55.19 | PingFloyd | pulp: yeah |
| 07:55.24 | Bushmills | seriously borked system. that's not just the package database what is affected |
| 07:55.36 | PingFloyd | pulp: for some details look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:55.49 | pulp | PingFloyd: alright. how could i get to edit some files? |
| 07:55.59 | PingFloyd | pulp: you would edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:56.04 | pulp | PingFloyd: it boots up straight into X, i dont know how to get to the command line |
| 07:56.14 | deathplanter | podproces pre-installation script returned error code 1 |
| 07:56.24 | PingFloyd | pulp: did you try ctrl-alt-F2 etc |
| 07:56.25 | deathplanter | hell, i'll revert the backup. |
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| 07:56.41 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: in the future if you need to reinstall a system and only have an ubuntu cd you can just use debootstrap |
| 07:56.44 | pulp | PingFloyd: i've tried that with no results |
| 07:56.51 | mohadib | pulp: boot to single user mode and turn off gdm or whatever in the initscripts |
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| 07:57.08 | pulp | mohadib: hrm thanks 8) |
| 07:57.12 | mohadib | np |
| 07:57.13 | mohadib | also |
| 07:57.16 | deathplanter | infinitycircuit: thanks. i'll google about this one |
| 07:57.23 | infinitycircuit | deathplanter: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html is how i always install debian |
| 07:57.28 | mohadib | ctrl-alt-f8 doesnt work |
| 07:57.29 | mohadib | ? |
| 07:57.34 | mohadib | then alt-f2 |
| 07:57.46 | mohadib | eh nvm |
| 07:57.48 | pulp | nope, i went from f1-f12 |
| 07:57.55 | Bushmills | infinitycircuit: but that's a good example to mention to those people who say "ubuntu is debian" .. was it, it, the system wouldn't break like this. |
| 07:57.57 | ronr | are there any FF3 (or iceweasel rebrand) packages for debian stable somewhere? |
| 07:57.59 | pulp | ill alt+f's now |
| 07:58.05 | pulp | first i've heard of it |
| 07:58.14 | mohadib | that only works once you get to a terminal |
| 07:58.15 | PingFloyd | pulp: while in X you've got to use ctrl with that key combo, but once at console, no need for ctrl |
| 07:58.26 | infinitycircuit | Bushmills: i actually once did a successful KNOPPIX -> Dapper Drake -> Lenny upgrade |
| 07:58.38 | pulp | PingFloyd: ah ok i think that's what gentoo uses too |
| 07:58.39 | infinitycircuit | and my successful i mean it broke but i was able to fix it in the end ;) |
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| 07:59.01 | mohadib | infinitycircuit: that seems impressive :p |
| 08:00.06 | infinitycircuit | there was a guy who went damn small linux -> woody -> ubuntu breezy badger -> etch actually |
| 08:00.14 | Bushmills | infinitycircuit: yes, it is possibly to do that sort of live migration - problem is that one better upgrades about all packages, which is not far from reinstalling from scratch |
| 08:00.17 | mohadib | hah |
| 08:00.36 | infinitycircuit | yes of course it's just an exercise for people with too much time on their hands |
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| 08:03.50 | Bushmills | though i didn't intend to suggest "conversion is impossible" but merely that the equation sometimes heard here, namely "ubuntu is debian" is simply wrong. |
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| 08:04.50 | Bushmills | point cased like borked systems like this one help to illustrate that point. |
| 08:04.55 | Bushmills | cases |
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| 08:06.50 | mns | Does anyone know how to get galeon to play mpegs inside the browser ? |
| 08:07.13 | mohadib | people use galeon? or is this just an exercise? |
| 08:07.42 | mns | some do. |
| 08:07.43 | mns | :) |
| 08:07.47 | mohadib | ;) |
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| 08:10.43 | Bushmills | mns: galeon loads netscape plugins (i.e. the same which are loaded by mozilla/firefox too), type in url bar: about:plugins |
| 08:11.30 | Bushmills | if there's no audio/video plugin, you may have to install one. mplayer plugin, or vlc plugin, or xine plugin for example |
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| 08:14.07 | mns | Bushmills: in mozilla/iceweasel/firefox the mpgs play just fine. for some reason it doesn't in galeon. it works fine in epiphany as well. |
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| 08:17.56 | Bushmills | mns, i'm just trying galeon with audio here, using the mplayer plugin, and it plays music |
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| 08:20.14 | woden1 | Hi would anyone please look at my apt-get update output http://paste.debian.net/10237/ and help me fix the problem(s)? Thanks. |
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| 08:22.47 | Bushmills | woden1: temporarilt change all ftp.de.debian.org to ftp.be.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then update package list, and try again. |
| 08:23.11 | woden1 | Bushmills: What country is be? |
| 08:23.41 | Bushmills | when that worked, you can revert to ftp.de.debian.org, assuming that the mirror is ok again then. neighbouring country, belgium |
| 08:23.49 | woden1 | Bushmills: By the way, I'm not in Germany right now. I'm in Iraq. |
| 08:24.08 | PingFloyd | try a closer mirror then |
| 08:24.16 | PingFloyd | I'd tried that first |
| 08:24.31 | woden1 | how do I find a closer mirror? |
| 08:25.37 | woden1 | nevermind I'm looking it up |
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| 08:25.54 | PingFloyd | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 08:27.34 | woden1 | well the closest that I see is Turkey |
| 08:27.43 | woden1 | but I'm not sure if that will improve much |
| 08:27.52 | woden1 | I switched to Belgium and I still got the same errors as with Germany |
| 08:28.00 | Shadur | I've got two installs of bind9. Both of them are 9.3.4-2etch3. Both of them have identical settings in named.conf. |
| 08:28.21 | Shadur | One of them is responding properly to rndc. The other one refuses to create the socket. |
| 08:28.55 | Bushmills | woden1: you may have to delete broken archives from /var/cache/apt/packages |
| 08:28.57 | Bushmills | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:29.10 | Bushmills | i mean. so that they are downloaded again |
| 08:29.34 | woden1 | Alright I will look into that. |
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| 08:30.01 | Shadur | ... Ah, found it. |
| 08:30.38 | PingFloyd | woden1: you might try this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6198.html |
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| 08:31.54 | botmaster1 | hi, everybody |
| 08:32.05 | PingFloyd | also, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:32.26 | puzzlet_ | hi, where can i find the changelog for debian packages? since i want to know when the symbolic link named "LS" was added to "sl" |
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| 08:32.54 | puzzlet_ | sry i got it |
| 08:33.24 | infinitycircuit | puzzlet_: aptitude changelog sl |
| 08:33.40 | puzzlet_ | actually i'm looking http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sl/sl_3.03-14/changelog |
| 08:34.16 | puzzlet_ | but the changelog doesn't say about LS |
| 08:34.24 | woden1 | PingFloyd;Bushmills: my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/10240/ |
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| 08:35.00 | PingFloyd | wait a second |
| 08:35.27 | PingFloyd | woden1: it may be that you need to update the archive key |
| 08:35.47 | PingFloyd | "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2" |
| 08:36.26 | woden1 | archive key? |
| 08:36.57 | PingFloyd | http://ftp-master.debian.org/#archivekey |
| 08:37.50 | woden1 | what are the instructions to install it? |
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| 08:38.08 | PingFloyd | woden1: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 08:39.11 | PingFloyd | you'll of course want to make sure you have the one intended for lenny |
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| 08:40.01 | woden1 | Hm |
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| 08:41.19 | woden1 | I'm going to have to look into this, it's more complicated than I thought it would be |
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| 08:45.31 | woden1 | nope. I'm lost in the sauce |
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| 08:45.40 | woden1 | Don't have time to do this right now I'll check back later |
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| 09:16.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:16.39 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
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| 09:19.44 | jelly | dpkg, test |
| 09:19.44 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 09:20.13 | botox | dpkg, ubuntu |
| 09:20.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:20.42 | botox | i was expecting more of a wry comment.. |
| 09:20.51 | wols_ | damn you guys must be bored |
| 09:20.59 | botox | wols_: yep :) |
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| 09:21.45 | magmaniac | dpkg, debian policy |
| 09:21.45 | dpkg | debian policy is, like, a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 09:22.15 | botox | dpkg, god |
| 09:22.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, god is Incorporeal |
| 09:22.27 | wols_ | !tell botox about msg the bot |
| 09:22.57 | botox | im not going to message the bot again. dpkg has alleviated my boredom for a few parsecs.. |
| 09:23.07 | botox | so there. |
| 09:23.12 | botox | ;) |
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| 09:24.26 | jelly | botox: hey, just because G. Lucas doesn't know his measures, it doesn't mean we have to misuse them as well |
| 09:24.33 | sploodge | I don't know where else to ask, but, uhh, does anyone in here use Kdenlive? |
| 09:24.42 | botox | jelly indeed |
| 09:24.45 | jelly | er, units |
| 09:24.57 | botox | you have been drinking with him? |
| 09:25.10 | jelly | shot first |
| 09:25.25 | botox | wildman |
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| 09:25.52 | wols_ | jelly: and you lost? |
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| 09:26.19 | jelly | wols_: after the shots we went to beers |
| 09:26.24 | magmaniac | can somebody here give some advice on the glibc DNS security issue? |
| 09:26.52 | wols_ | !dsa |
| 09:26.53 | dpkg | it has been said that dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
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| 09:29.16 | magmaniac | the DSA isn't really helpful in this case |
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| 09:30.24 | wols_ | magmaniac: http://diablo2.ingame.de/spiel/expansion/itemdb/uniquesearch.php?text=ondal |
| 09:30.27 | wols_ | grah |
| 09:30.34 | wols_ | magmaniac: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1605 |
| 09:31.59 | magmaniac | wols_: i know that DSA. It mentions two workarounds, but gives little to no information on how to implement them. Furthermore, it would be nice to know how exposed e.g. a home PC behind a DSL-router is. |
| 09:32.18 | dondelelcaro | magmaniac: that depends on what nameserver you're using |
| 09:32.50 | magmaniac | That is, does it make sense to implement the workaround? Shouldn't I fix the DNS proxy on my DSL router first? |
| 09:32.58 | dondelelcaro | magmaniac: the solution is to either 1) use a local dns resolver or 2) block spoofing properly |
| 09:33.01 | jelly | so... if my ISP uses dnscache, I shouldn't care? |
| 09:33.28 | dondelelcaro | jelly: if it's possible to spoof packets from your ISP's nameservers, yes, otherwise no. |
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| 09:34.35 | jelly | upgraded a sarge machine last night and today it woke up with eth0 and eth2 switching places |
| 09:34.44 | jelly | eth0 and eth1* |
| 09:34.50 | Bushmills | dondelelcaro: how will a local resolver help, if the replies to its requests are spoofed? |
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| 09:35.15 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: because bind9 switches source ports properly? |
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| 09:35.28 | micols | i have a diskless client which lags when it utilizes 100% of its bandwidth, how can i reduce this lag, its 100mbit network, it has nfs mounted root, should i do QoS to prirotize nfs share traffic? |
| 09:35.47 | micols | or should i do traffic shaping and limit it to 90% of its bandwidth |
| 09:36.02 | Bushmills | that's a help but no guarantee that spoofing is impossible - it just makes it more difficult. there is tcp sequence prediction. |
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| 09:36.24 | jelly | wonders about his favorite pdnsd |
| 09:36.33 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: sure, it just means that it's much more difficult |
| 09:37.00 | magmaniac | BTW, how do I "block spoofing properly"? Is this some kernel configuration item? |
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| 09:37.10 | dondelelcaro | magmaniac: no, it's dependent on your network configuration |
| 09:37.48 | magmaniac | dondelelcaro: can I do this on my PC or do I need to prevent spoofing already at the DSL router? |
| 09:38.10 | micols | magmaniac: your proc fs will have an entry for it if you configured your kernel for it |
| 09:38.27 | magmaniac | checks proc... |
| 09:38.34 | micols | it will reduce spoofing , not eliminate it |
| 09:38.46 | dondelelcaro | magmaniac: depends; if you're using a nameserver on your router, then assuming your router works properly, it won't matter. |
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| 09:39.17 | JyZyXEL | ** server can't find google.com: SERVFAIL |
| 09:39.28 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m4bd7a3de magmaniac some of those perhaps |
| 09:39.31 | enouf | micols: are you referring to a sysctl configurable param? in /proc/sys/* ? |
| 09:39.40 | JyZyXEL | ISP's DNS servers seem to be down |
| 09:40.00 | jelly | "block spoofing properly" ... well, one could theoretically write a smart "connection tracking" iptables module |
| 09:40.40 | enouf | thinks it's time to try and telnet into my cable modem .. |
| 09:41.08 | dondelelcaro | jelly: in this case, was really refering to the fact that packets destined for non-routeable local ips shouldn't be forwarded from the external interface |
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| 09:41.25 | micols | yes enouf |
| 09:41.31 | dondelelcaro | (which any sensible router/firewall should do) |
| 09:41.42 | micols | dont hook me up on it, i just read somewhere it wold prevent spoofing more or less |
| 09:41.44 | magmaniac | JyZyXEL: good for you, your ISP is quick at fixing the issue :) |
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| 09:41.54 | micols | i guess it was the martians one |
| 09:42.00 | micols | or filter. |
| 09:42.11 | enouf | gives micols the claw, cause he said he hates the hook |
| 09:42.56 | micols | in the real world it only gave me problems enabling it :), i was making traffic shaping rules |
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| 09:43.03 | JyZyXEL | magmaniac yea they just came back up |
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| 09:46.28 | pl0d | Hi, in my terminals, whenever I select Courier New, my colors go rather dull, when they'd normally be quite bright |
| 09:46.35 | enouf | BTW folks; is this a DNS issue do you think? this is happening a lot lately; My browser (links2) will just sit there saying 'request sent' (in the status bar) .. then after some seconds (anywhere from 3-10 seconds most times) the page loads, and loads quick and fast, but |
| 09:46.37 | pl0d | http://i36.tinypic.com/1247p8j.png |
| 09:46.45 | pl0d | Why is this? |
| 09:47.03 | pl0d | With the big ugly fonts that come by default, the colors are not dulled |
| 09:47.04 | jelly | antialiasing? |
| 09:47.04 | micols | perhaps its not truetype font |
| 09:47.09 | micols | :) |
| 09:47.19 | jelly | it is; that's the problem |
| 09:47.26 | pl0d | Hm. How would you suggest getting Courier New? |
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| 09:47.35 | enouf | I've swapped the order of the/my ISP's 3 nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:47.49 | iveqy | hi, how do I in console change esc with caps lock? |
| 09:47.51 | enouf | which should take effect immediately, correct? |
| 09:47.55 | micols | right enouf |
| 09:47.57 | jelly | pl0d: work around it by using a more readable font! |
| 09:48.01 | magmaniac | pl0d: probably the font hinting for Courier New isn't so good |
| 09:48.02 | micols | and sounds like resolv.conf problem |
| 09:48.19 | magmaniac | pl0d: use Bitstream Vera Sans Mono |
| 09:48.21 | micols | it first tries the first server then the next, and perhaps even a third (if your conf allows it) |
| 09:48.26 | enouf | micols: well, if so, must be my ISPs DNS servers suck huge hairy ass |
| 09:48.30 | pl0d | jelly - I installed courier new because it is nice and the defaults are big clunky and horrible to code in a terminal with |
| 09:48.30 | micols | will take around 3-4 seconds at least |
| 09:48.38 | micols | yes might be enouf :) |
| 09:48.48 | pl0d | How could I get an antialiased Courier New? |
| 09:48.55 | micols | enouf: they do go down from time to time, mine went down lately too |
| 09:49.08 | jelly | pl0d: you _have_ aa Courier New. |
| 09:49.09 | micols | some isp's are worse than others :) |
| 09:49.19 | jelly | pl0d: you might want to use the bold variant |
| 09:49.29 | micols | mine went down about 3-4hours a week ago. |
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| 09:49.36 | pl0d | Oh, I'm slightly confused then - are fonts better antialiased or not? |
| 09:49.41 | micols | or more than 3-4hrs |
| 09:49.42 | enouf | But the only way around that (to make it always respond instantly - i mean, that) |
| 09:50.06 | pl0d | jelly: the bold does bring some life into it, it could be acceptable |
| 09:50.06 | micols | is to have a proxy which has cached all pages you visit then you will have access to those still :) |
| 09:50.15 | enouf | But the only way around that (to make it always respond instantly - i mean, that' the main feature of this browser == No Bloat! and Fast!) i'd have to setup some local DNS caches? |
| 09:50.19 | micols | it will be able to deliver the ips still then |
| 09:50.21 | jelly | pl0d: your eyes will answer that question <pl0d> Oh, I'm slightly confused then - are fonts better antialiased or not? |
| 09:50.23 | Kalamansi | hi |
| 09:50.27 | magmaniac | pl0d: on your screenshot your fonts look as antialiased as they can get |
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| 09:50.40 | micols | enouf: caching proxy yes, or own dns server with some caching perhaps |
| 09:50.41 | enouf | stupid ' is too close the Enter |
| 09:50.52 | enouf | stupid ' is too close to the Enter key |
| 09:51.19 | pl0d | Hmm, in which case I'll want to somehow get a Courier New which *isn't* antialiased - is this possible? |
| 09:51.20 | enouf | micols: hrm, my own DNS Server, now, which pkg does that ? bind? |
| 09:51.24 | magmaniac | enouf: are you using nscd? |
| 09:51.29 | pl0d | Or maybe I can just configure this somewhere |
| 09:51.35 | micols | hehe probably faster than firefox, isnt it based on the original netscape code (the code that were 15seconds to start netscape on my computer around 10 years back from now, and still is) |
| 09:51.35 | jelly | pl0d: I prefer konsole's own console8x16 bitmap font (it's the normal VGA 8x16 font with a good number of unicode glyphs) |
| 09:51.41 | enouf | magmaniac: i don't think so - no idea offhand what that is |
| 09:51.44 | micols | or is it gecko based, hmm. |
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| 09:52.14 | magmaniac | enouf: apt-cache show nscd |
| 09:52.28 | enouf | magmaniac: ok, will do |
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| 09:52.29 | micols | get one with ldap support, that'll be fun |
| 09:52.30 | micols | :) |
| 09:52.36 | enouf | ahh name server cache daemon |
| 09:52.39 | enouf | duh |
| 09:52.48 | enouf | i knew i've seen that before |
| 09:52.55 | magmaniac | I use it always for DNS |
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| 09:53.04 | psteyn | ugh, im probably being stupid...but how the hell can I get wget to always display its speed in bytes or kilobytes? |
| 09:53.09 | enouf | magmaniac: cool , i'll check it out, thanks |
| 09:53.13 | micols | setting up ldap, traffic shaping rules and doing tripple integrals are the things i enjoy the most |
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| 09:54.04 | magmaniac | thanks everyone for input on the DNS issue, bye. |
| 09:54.15 | micols | psteyn: thats default |
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| 09:55.38 | micols | anyone got Gegl to compile lately? |
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| 09:55.59 | enouf | er.. not too sure i like that description too much, i never liked the idea of the way browsers reach out to all other URLs listed in the page code and cache that while you're looking at just one page -- but i'm picky, so ... i'm just confused about where all these names (with their resolved IP addresses) would be stored - it would seem one would need a huge table to lookup, maybe even Database worthy, no? |
| 09:55.59 | micols | would be nice if i could get .18 to compile, i just get this weird error. |
| 09:56.54 | micols | enouf: you could just get a proxy which only caches looked up names |
| 09:57.20 | psteyn | no its not |
| 09:57.24 | micols | which would be browser url, (no images in your case) |
| 09:57.40 | micols | and perhaps iframes, if it supports that and regular frames |
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| 09:59.30 | micols | psteyn: then make your own progress bar :) i made one similar to wget's a few years back |
| 09:59.47 | pozic | Is there any hook that gets run when the screensaver is unlocked? |
| 09:59.51 | pozic | The problem is that my brightness settings as set by nvidia-settings are undone by the screensaver. |
| 09:59.58 | psteyn | you misunderstand me. |
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| 10:00.06 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m24ee6555 not pretty :P |
| 10:00.14 | dansa | hi there; my dhcp client is changing my resolv.conf. how i can tell it not to? |
| 10:00.31 | dansa | i'm using dhclient3 |
| 10:00.45 | pozic | dansa: have you read the manual? |
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| 10:00.56 | dansa | yes |
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| 10:01.33 | dansa | pozic: have you read it and found any info there about resolv.conf? |
| 10:01.43 | pozic | dansa: no, I didn't. |
| 10:02.00 | dansa | i didn't find either |
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| 10:02.14 | enouf | dansa: i just helped someone with that issue, it turns out the resolvconf pkg was the cause - or, atleast removing it stopped the madness |
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| 10:02.28 | dansa | hm, let me see about that |
| 10:02.32 | enouf | without having to make the file immutable |
| 10:02.52 | dansa | resolvconf is not installed on my system |
| 10:02.54 | enouf | still has and uses dhcpcd O_o |
| 10:03.00 | enouf | dansa: uh oh |
| 10:03.09 | dansa | (yeah, i thought of making the file unwritable, but... kinda wish i didn't have to.) |
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| 10:03.37 | micols | i have no /etc/network/interfaces file on my debian system :) |
| 10:03.43 | micols | but i am online |
| 10:03.53 | dansa | i have /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:03.57 | liable | smartypants |
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| 10:04.04 | dansa | and i read its manual, it has no directive for a dns |
| 10:04.32 | liable | dhclient3.conf |
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| 10:07.04 | dansa | where is this file located? |
| 10:07.20 | micols | usually /etc |
| 10:07.26 | enouf | !dhclient |
| 10:07.26 | dpkg | methinks dhclient is if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
| 10:07.36 | enouf | ugh |
| 10:07.49 | enouf | there should be a man page for it |
| 10:09.23 | enouf | micols: so.. i could setup an old p150 to be a proxy caching name server? |
| 10:09.29 | peterrooney | enouf: i agree. man 5 dhclient.conf should also add "run apt-get --purge remove network-manager network-manager-gnome in order to have a reliable dhcp address. " |
| 10:09.29 | micols | sure |
| 10:09.33 | dansa | seems easier to change its source code |
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| 10:09.48 | dansa | :) |
| 10:09.58 | dansa | im gonna keep it from writing to resolv.conf through the fiel system |
| 10:10.12 | dansa | if it has no easy configuration, i definitely give up |
| 10:10.39 | enouf | liable: :-( [dpkg] Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dhclient3.conf' returned no results. |
| 10:10.51 | jelly | dansa: "man resolvconf" |
| 10:11.03 | micols | you could also overwrite resolv.conf in your ifup script :) |
| 10:11.09 | micols | although ugly as hell :) |
| 10:11.26 | peterrooney | dansa: man 5 resolv.conf |
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| 10:12.00 | dansa | hm, im reading it... |
| 10:12.04 | jelly | peterrooney: I thought we were trying to get rid of manual resolv.conf editing |
| 10:12.07 | dansa | but it doesnt seem to talk about my dhcp client |
| 10:12.08 | dansa | does it? |
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| 10:12.11 | enouf | jelly: i've read that - i don't see any mention in there on how to stop other apps from overwriting it's contents |
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| 10:12.24 | jelly | enouf: fix the apps |
| 10:12.33 | ddalton | what package do i need for wpa on debian? |
| 10:12.36 | dansa | yeah, we gotta fix the apps |
| 10:12.40 | enouf | jelly: well, it's appears it's dhclient |
| 10:12.41 | micols | ddalton: madwifi |
| 10:12.43 | ddalton | (using network-admin to configure) |
| 10:12.46 | enouf | ddalton: wpasupplicant |
| 10:12.48 | dansa | i think i'm gonna do it in the hard core way |
| 10:12.49 | dansa | :) |
| 10:12.50 | micols | oh sorry |
| 10:12.53 | enouf | ddalton: or wpa_supplicant |
| 10:13.01 | jelly | enouf: basically, if you're using resolvconf(8), you better not have anything messing with /etc/resolv.conf directly |
| 10:13.14 | enouf | ddalton: here; read this; http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 10:13.15 | dansa | yeah, that's it. thanks for the discussion |
| 10:13.19 | dansa | btw, im not using resolvconf |
| 10:13.29 | jelly | dansa: that's what you THINK |
| 10:13.31 | dansa | im using only dhclient3 and it's the one writing my resolv.conf against my will |
| 10:13.33 | jelly | :-) |
| 10:13.38 | dansa | of course it's what i think |
| 10:13.39 | enouf | jelly: no . not 8 resolv.conf (5) - resolver configuration file |
| 10:13.42 | dansa | what else i could say? |
| 10:13.48 | dansa | what i don't think? :) |
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| 10:13.55 | dansa | thanks for the assertion anyway :) |
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| 10:14.04 | jelly | eh |
| 10:14.38 | enouf | jelly: and neither i, nor dansa has the resolvconf pkg installed - but ddalton did, and once we purged removed that pkg, it stopped overwriting his /etc/resolv.conf entires |
| 10:14.41 | enouf | entries |
| 10:14.58 | jelly | conservative sissies |
| 10:15.08 | enouf | now, what 'it' was? i'm not sure - but he had static entries in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:15.36 | jelly | resolvconf is the way to go! (and is what manages dns-* lines in interfaces stanzas) |
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| 10:16.20 | ddalton | enouf: how come only wep is an option in network-admin? no wpa? |
| 10:16.46 | enouf | ddalton: not sure, i don't do wireless .. someone might be able to answer |
| 10:16.59 | liable | in which network-admin? |
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| 10:17.25 | dbastos | hey, nothing like reading the source code :) |
| 10:17.33 | dansa | find your dhclient.conf |
| 10:17.34 | dansa | and remove |
| 10:17.37 | enouf | ddalton: would that be gnome's network-admin ? or ... |
| 10:17.56 | dansa | ... the request for a name server |
| 10:17.56 | ddalton | liable: network-admin in gnome. |
| 10:17.56 | dansa | domain-name-server i think it was |
| 10:18.01 | dansa | anyway, this will do it. |
| 10:18.03 | dansa | see ya. |
| 10:18.03 | liable | dansa: the obvious first check is if wpasupplicant is installed |
| 10:18.58 | ddalton | it seems to be. |
| 10:19.23 | ddalton | does it mean its trying to guess what my network actually is? |
| 10:19.55 | liable | ddalton: is the network its showing actually a wpa secured network? |
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| 10:20.25 | ddalton | liable: yes |
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| 10:20.32 | ddalton | enouf: its gnome's network-admin yes |
| 10:20.43 | enouf | ddalton: ok |
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| 10:20.46 | liable | and it only has an option for a wep key? |
| 10:21.02 | ddalton | yeah |
| 10:21.23 | liable | ddalton: what does iwlist ourput say about the network? |
| 10:21.28 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 10:21.37 | ddalton | it wouldn't be a limitation in the card would it? |
| 10:21.40 | ddalton | or madwifi |
| 10:21.47 | liable | ddalton: which card is it? |
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| 10:21.58 | ddalton | iwlist says its wpa i think, let me check |
| 10:22.04 | liable | not madwifi's, but if its an old 5211 card |
| 10:22.35 | ddalton | net gear wg 511t I think |
| 10:23.00 | liable | what does lspci say about it? |
| 10:23.08 | ddalton | ill have to go find it, sorry, I can't just look at it, my eyes don't work :-) |
| 10:23.25 | liable | yeah, just gimme the lspci line for it |
| 10:23.39 | enouf | liable: it's the netgear wg511t .. yes, it's Atheros |
| 10:24.02 | liable | enouf: yes, but i just want to see its definately a b/g chip in it. |
| 10:24.04 | enouf | liable: i helped him buy it ;-) .. well made sure it was supported |
| 10:24.09 | liable | ok |
| 10:24.10 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:24.29 | ddalton | its a Netgear WG511T |
| 10:24.39 | enouf | ddalton: do "lspci -nn | grep -i netgear" |
| 10:24.45 | liable | grep atheros |
| 10:24.53 | enouf | ddalton: do "lspci -nn | grep -i atheros" |
| 10:25.11 | jelly | geometar# aptitude changelog bind9 \n Ign ChangeLog of bind9 \n E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/bind9/bind9_9.3.4-2etch3/changelog \n E: Couldn't find a changelog for bind9 \n :-( |
| 10:25.57 | micols | anybody who can run xscreensaver with an ati card and fglrx driver? mine crashes when i resume from screensaver? it just freezes but c,a,bckspace works to kill xorg |
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| 10:27.00 | ddalton | no output |
| 10:27.40 | liable | ddalton: can you paste your lspci output? |
| 10:27.43 | ddalton | wlan0 shows my network with iwlist |
| 10:28.02 | liable | ddalton: ooh, you have a wlan0? |
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| 10:28.11 | liable | wonders if ath5k is driving it |
| 10:28.35 | ddalton | so is the command lspci -nn | grep -i netgear |
| 10:29.00 | ddalton | yup is that bad? |
| 10:29.00 | liable | ddalton: nope, replace netgear with atheros |
| 10:29.49 | liable | ddalton: ath5k is good, but its not very mature yet. my atheros cards dont work with ath5k and wpa with the debian kernels |
| 10:30.06 | liable | ddalton: you need madwifi for that at the moment |
| 10:30.07 | ddalton | but... I installed madwifi... |
| 10:30.40 | ddalton | so could both be installed but its using the first one you said? |
| 10:30.52 | liable | ddalton: paste your dmesg. because ath5k is in the kernel, it may have initialised the driver before madwifi, thus you might need to blacklist it. |
| 10:31.08 | enouf | liable: IINM ,he followed the instructs here; http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian is that correct ddalton ? |
| 10:31.11 | ddalton | ftp.au.debian.org down? |
| 10:31.29 | ddalton | no |
| 10:31.31 | ddalton | sorry |
| 10:32.27 | ddalton | hang on... trying to get my lan up. |
| 10:32.56 | ddalton | enouf: yeah |
| 10:33.31 | ddalton | my laptop is coming up... |
| 10:34.03 | ddalton | btw, if I use network-admin cause im lazy and don't feel like reading will wireless work if I don't start the gui? |
| 10:34.53 | liable | nope, but if you start x normally and just use a vt after it will |
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| 10:35.07 | enouf | ddalton: you shuold be able to do everything from CLI, but i have no idea what network-admin is |
| 10:35.12 | liable | ddalton: erm, which gui do you mean? |
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| 10:35.32 | liable | enouf: i presume he means network-manager |
| 10:35.34 | ddalton | gnome, network-admin... |
| 10:35.45 | liable | i think its the default gnome one |
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| 10:36.22 | liable | ddalton: if you dont start x, then it wont start network-manager |
| 10:36.23 | ddalton | yeah |
| 10:36.24 | enouf | ddalton: can you use the GUI at all now on your laptop? or is that not even set up? |
| 10:36.36 | ddalton | yeah I can... |
| 10:36.48 | ddalton | its what im using now. prefer cli still though and always will... |
| 10:36.51 | enouf | ddalton: but you wuold prefer not to? |
| 10:37.01 | enouf | right, thought so |
| 10:37.01 | ddalton | once i get this working, can I configure it in interface or not? |
| 10:37.07 | wols_ | !network-manager |
| 10:37.07 | dpkg | somebody said network manager was a good way of managing your network settings if you use dhcp or compatible wireless cards. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <wireless connection managers>. Supported/unsupported device list: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ , #networkmanager @ irc.gnome.org |
| 10:37.09 | ddalton | in the file /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:37.23 | liable | ddalton: its not hard to configure it for cli only use |
| 10:37.28 | liable | ddalton: with wpasupplicant |
| 10:37.47 | enouf | oh, i see, liable, i think he wants to know one he goes through all the nonsense of the GUI config, can you just use CLI to alter, manipulate those settings |
| 10:37.57 | liable | yes |
| 10:38.04 | enouf | s/can you/can he |
| 10:38.17 | liable | yes |
| 10:38.21 | wols_ | !ifscheme |
| 10:38.21 | dpkg | ifscheme provides scheme control for network interfaces, integrating with ifup(8) and interfaces(5). After configuring /etc/network/interfaces, network configuration can be changed via "ifscheme home", "ifscheme work", etc. Useful for switching between wireless networks without the need for a <wireless connection manager>. |
| 10:38.32 | enouf | hrm, i thought it would be a bear - and thought network-* settings were stored elsewhere |
| 10:38.45 | ddalton | wow! so many messages:) |
| 10:38.55 | liable | enouf: its not that hard at all really, wpasupp can handle roaming quite well also |
| 10:39.08 | enouf | ddalton: i'll send you the Bot's messages in our PM, no worries |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | liable: cool |
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| 10:39.28 | enouf | thanks wols_ for the bot factoids |
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| 10:40.01 | ddalton | enouf: thanks mate. |
| 10:40.06 | liable | only problem is that if you set things up in interfaces, NM will ignore those configured interfaces |
| 10:40.24 | ddalton | liable: I know im probably sounding like an idiot, but what is roming mode? |
| 10:40.38 | liable | so having it both ways is difficult, but if you set up interfaces, you dont need NM for x anyway |
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| 10:41.29 | liable | ddalton: you can have multiple networks set up in wpa_supplicant.conf and interfaces, and it will connect to whichever network it finds that it has configuration for |
| 10:42.14 | liable | ddalton: no need for user interaction at all. |
| 10:42.24 | liable | or x |
| 10:42.25 | ddalton | ok, sorry, working on 2 boxes with one braille display :-) here is output of lspci in a pastebin: |
| 10:43.19 | ddalton | http://pastebin.com/f4ff20e0c |
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| 10:43.52 | liable | ddalton: ok, thats good. |
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| 10:44.12 | ddalton | liable: ok good. and sorry if I miss some of your messages, its well a little hard to keep up sometimes. |
| 10:44.17 | liable | ddalton: dmesg |grep ath5k |
| 10:44.50 | liable | ddalton: you havent missed any, i have mostly been talking to enouf. |
| 10:45.16 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, if I want to overwrite the DNS server ip that I got from my ISP (writtenin resolv.conf), can I edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to remove domain-name-servers ? |
| 10:46.04 | ddalton | liable: nope, nothing is output. |
| 10:46.11 | ddalton | I tried madwifi as well and nothing. |
| 10:46.28 | liable | ddalton: dmesg |grep ath_pci |
| 10:46.39 | ddalton | I see it in syslog though |
| 10:47.25 | ddalton | ath_pci: 0.9.4 |
| 10:47.27 | liable | ddalton: do you only have one network to connect to, or multiple wireless networks? |
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| 10:47.54 | ddalton | one network now, but I will be traveling a bit soon, so probably several. |
| 10:48.13 | ddalton | but can't I just adjust properties in network-admin? |
| 10:48.35 | liable | ddalton: you should be able to, yes |
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| 10:48.51 | liable | unfortunately, i dont have much experience with it. |
| 10:48.59 | ddalton | henry_nicolas: so you want to adjust resolv.conf? |
| 10:49.22 | ddalton | ok... so is it using ath5k? |
| 10:49.25 | henry_nicolas | ddalton: yes |
| 10:49.50 | henry_nicolas | ddalton: I want to use another DNS server than the provider one |
| 10:49.55 | liable | henry_nicolas: you can, yeah. try it and see, just comment the line, but that should stop it asking for the DNS servers in the request |
| 10:50.09 | ddalton | henry_nicolas: I just removed resolvconf and then could edit by hand... my change wouldn't get over written: or you can add this to /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 10:50.10 | liable | ddalton: looks like madwifi afaict |
| 10:50.23 | ddalton | dns-servers yourdns |
| 10:50.39 | docmax | hi, anyone knows a good (programmers) notepad in linux? like notepad++ or ultraedit ind windows? |
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| 10:51.06 | ddalton | emacs |
| 10:51.11 | henry_nicolas | ddalton, and with multiple ip ? dns-servers ip1, ip2 ? |
| 10:51.37 | ddalton | erm, read man resolvconf for details. |
| 10:51.43 | joltcan | henry_nicolas: or add supersede domain-name-servers yourdnsip; to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 10:51.54 | ddalton | because I only used one, but I remember an example in there, let me know how you go. |
| 10:52.04 | henry_nicolas | ok, thanks everybody |
| 10:52.23 | ddalton | liable: so what should I do now? |
| 10:52.28 | ddalton | re this wpa stuff |
| 10:52.31 | xisle | if I have moved a hard drive with debian installed on it to new hardware, what do I need to make debian detect the new hardware? |
| 10:53.06 | liable | ddalton: if you are likely to not use x on occasion, i suggest setting up your interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf. then it will be sorted from ifup. |
| 10:53.20 | liable | ddalton: and remove network-manager |
| 10:53.32 | ddalton | oh, I can keep x running all the time that is fine. |
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| 10:54.04 | ddalton | but how do I make network-admin let me do wpa? |
| 10:54.12 | wols_ | xisle: nothing. possibly change Xorg drivers |
| 10:54.33 | liable | ddalton: no idea. it should just work (TM) |
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| 10:54.53 | enouf | xisle: you need your Chipset, Video, Disk Controllers, and any other lspci. lsscsi, lsusb, etc devices support loaded |
| 10:55.12 | enouf | oh well, hit or miss ;-) |
| 10:55.19 | xisle | wols_: really? because the network adaptor doesn't even turn up. i thought i'd have to do something with modprobe.d |
| 10:55.19 | ddalton | liable: but it will deffinitely work from the cli? |
| 10:55.44 | ddalton | definitely |
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| 10:55.53 | wols_ | xisle: what is the new network adapter? |
| 10:56.04 | wols_ | xisle: and what is your kernel version? |
| 10:56.05 | enouf | xisle: modules needed can be added to /etc/modules , but make sure modules you don't need anymore aren't there as well - also see what's blacklisted |
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| 10:56.35 | docmax | whats a good xterm replacement? |
| 10:56.36 | liable | ddalton: with just wpa_supplicant? yes |
| 10:56.47 | enouf | xisle: but your network card should be detected auto, and the appropiate module loaded |
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| 10:57.02 | ddalton | and is it easy to just rock up to a motel and connect to their network using the command line? |
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| 10:57.20 | wols_ | !tell docmax about search |
| 10:57.33 | enouf | docmax: depends, aterm, eterm, konsole, gterm, rxvt, whatever |
| 10:57.46 | wols_ | enouf: see !best |
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| 10:57.51 | docmax | !best |
| 10:57.52 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:57.58 | enouf | haha - touche wols_ |
| 10:58.01 | docmax | !best xterm |
| 10:58.08 | enouf | docmax: silly |
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| 10:58.11 | liable | ddalton: for motels, the network is usually unsecured, and you enter login details in a web browser. so yep, the wireless part is easy. |
| 10:58.18 | wols_ | enouf: you should know him by now :) |
| 10:58.26 | ddalton | liable: sorry, if I missed it, but is it fairly straight-forward to switch and setup new networks? |
| 10:58.31 | liable | ddalton: wpa_cli is a handy app too, once you work out the syntax |
| 10:59.32 | liable | ddalton: yes. once you have one network in your conf file, it pretty much a matter of copy/paste and change the ssid and psk |
| 11:00.09 | ddalton | ok, so.. the only time it won't work is when they use wep? |
| 11:00.28 | liable | wpasupplicant can set up wep networks too |
| 11:00.31 | ddalton | and what if the network is insecure how would I connect just leave out wpa_supplicant? |
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| 11:00.47 | liable | it can handle open ones too :) |
| 11:00.48 | xisle | wols_: 2.6.24 |
| 11:00.51 | enouf | ddalton: wpa is much more secure than wep' |
| 11:01.10 | xisle | enouf: so if it isn't being autodetected, maybe it's blacklisted |
| 11:01.11 | wols_ | xisle: what network chip? |
| 11:01.36 | enouf | ddalton: wep is old technology, you want to use WPA whenever you can, for security, if you need it, or want it |
| 11:01.55 | ddalton | liable: look what I found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419973 |
| 11:02.23 | liable | ddalton: if you have a few networks that you regularly connect to, its best to set them up in your config. if you want to connect to a wep or open network, its easiest to just do it on the command line. |
| 11:02.46 | ddalton | its a little old though |
| 11:03.07 | enouf | xisle: possible, though unlikely .. look in your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist files - and other ones in there - but answer wols_ about which chip, we need specifics to help |
| 11:03.23 | liable | ddalton: are you using etch? |
| 11:03.33 | enouf | he's on testing liable |
| 11:03.33 | xisle | wols_: via vt6103 |
| 11:03.42 | ddalton | liable: sure, so how do I configure it on the command line. do you have time to help me with it, or is there something I should read/ |
| 11:03.51 | wols_ | xisle: dmesg |grep eth |
| 11:04.01 | wols_ | xisle: and lsmod |grep via |
| 11:04.33 | enouf | liable: he's using a self-made and patched kernel (2.6.25-6), which so far is working ok, He used debian sources to satrt with and make-kpkg |
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| 11:05.07 | xisle | i've changed something and now it won't even boot. i'll try and get some more info |
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| 11:05.08 | liable | ddalton: i have time, i can walk you few a few different ways to configure it. |
| 11:05.13 | enouf | ddalton: you need to tell people about all your specifics to get the best help ;-) |
| 11:06.10 | liable | ddalton: but first, if you want to use network-admin, whats the output of "dpkg -l | grep network-manager-gnome" |
| 11:06.20 | enouf | liable: patched, in the sense of only a debian .diff file .. so, i don't think there's any hanky panky so far, though i think eventually he'd like to use module-assistant to build some out-of-tree modules |
| 11:06.33 | liable | the network-admin bit is throwing me |
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| 11:06.39 | enouf | yeah |
| 11:06.45 | ddalton | liable: thanks. so should I describe my setup? |
| 11:06.49 | ddalton | also I got an email saying: |
| 11:07.09 | enouf | stupid GUI crap - (though not to disparrage all the people who work hard to make that work) |
| 11:07.23 | ddalton | iwconfig <wireless nic> essid <your access point name here> key <your wep key here> |
| 11:07.30 | ddalton | or is this guy using wep? |
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| 11:07.37 | liable | thats wep |
| 11:08.00 | enouf | ddalton: whats the output of "dpkg -l | grep network-manager-gnome" |
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| 11:09.30 | enouf | (he should likely preface that with COLUMNS=200 or so) |
| 11:09.47 | ddalton | 0.6.6 i think it said. |
| 11:10.06 | ddalton | liable: ok. |
| 11:10.06 | liable | ok |
| 11:10.11 | ddalton | so where do we start? |
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| 11:10.23 | enouf | ddalton: try this "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep network-manager-gnome | grep ^.i" |
| 11:11.06 | ddalton | enouf: whats it do? I have to read that and type it in, no cut and paste working between to boxes so its going to take a while with only one braille dispaly. |
| 11:11.34 | enouf | ddalton: ok, well, just tell us if it's installed as well (the "ii" on the left hand column) |
| 11:11.37 | ddalton | liable: So, I have all the info here. so what should I do first? |
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| 11:12.22 | ddalton | yeah, its installed. |
| 11:13.04 | liable | ddalton: ok, gimme 5 to paste some sample configs for you. |
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| 11:13.40 | ddalton | ok no worries |
| 11:13.46 | enouf | ddalton: ok - in PM i sent you the info about the "pastebinit" package so maybe that might help you with future pastes |
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| 11:14.19 | Clown | anyone here can provide help on zoneminder?? |
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| 11:14.35 | antgel | !ask |
| 11:14.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:15.32 | ronr | hi, I'm setting up a new debian server and am considering an encrypted filesystem for the data partition, is there a list of pros and cons on this and what all te options mean (ie. dm-crypt vs loop-AES???) |
| 11:15.50 | embkas | I want to record my own voice - have tried Audacity but it gives so much noise - have anybody of you a tip on what programme to use to record via external mic? |
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| 11:17.09 | enouf | embkas: not sure this would help, but there's a "normalize" pkg, but you should be able to adjust the input GAIN when recording in audacity |
| 11:17.30 | enouf | embkas: also, have you set up the sliders in alsamixer? |
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| 11:19.06 | embkas | enouf: I know about the input GAIN - if you think about just move the glider up and down in audacity? alsamixer is set ok - sound works - but it seems to be very noisy with a metallic sound |
| 11:19.46 | enouf | ahh "normalize-audio" |
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| 11:19.59 | ddalton | thanks wols for those dpkg messages... and thanks liable of cause. |
| 11:20.01 | ddalton | wols |
| 11:20.08 | liable | ddalton: interfaces file example. change yours to look like this. the example one is there for exactly that reason, in case you need to manually set it up one day. |
| 11:20.12 | enouf | embkas: well, are you recording in 8bit mode or some crap? |
| 11:20.18 | liable | ddalton: http://paste.debian.net/10299/ |
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| 11:20.29 | enouf | embkas: are you making WAVs or mp3s? or |
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| 11:22.37 | enouf | embkas: have your tried simply "arecord" ? |
| 11:22.41 | enouf | man arecord |
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| 11:23.20 | wols_ | ddalton: hm? |
| 11:23.59 | enouf | wols_: the ifscheme and network-manager factoids |
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| 11:24.55 | liable | ddalton: example wpa_supplicant.conf http://paste.debian.net/10302/ |
| 11:25.00 | ddalton | liable: ok I got it. so thats an interfaces file. do I change ath0 to wlan0? |
| 11:25.11 | liable | ddalton: yep |
| 11:25.16 | gnumm | i want to install debian testing as main system on my pc, but there are different isos (weekly image etc...) which iso should i download to install debian testing? |
| 11:25.41 | ddalton | liable: ok, and how does the iface home thing work? |
| 11:25.45 | ddalton | and example etc? |
| 11:25.51 | wols_ | gnumm: none. download etch |
| 11:26.15 | liable | ddalton: its an idstring that ties the wpasupplicant.conf in with your interfaces file. |
| 11:26.18 | gnumm | wols_: no, i want testing... |
| 11:26.25 | wols_ | gnumm: and you want to install etch |
| 11:26.31 | wols_ | gnumm: then upgrade |
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| 11:27.14 | liable | ddalton: it allows you to set different methods for different networks, such as the example one, where the ip is manually set. You are likely not ever going to need to do that, but its included in case. |
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| 11:28.11 | gnumm | when lenny will become stable, what should i do that my system still will be a testing system? |
| 11:28.13 | antgel | ronr: have you tried searching the web? |
| 11:28.15 | ddalton | liable: how does it know which one to connect with? |
| 11:28.20 | ddalton | eg. example home or default? |
| 11:28.33 | embkas | enouf: sorry, I'll been trying - and now my daughter need my pc to watch a dvd - I'll come back to it |
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| 11:28.41 | antgel | gnumm: man sources.list |
| 11:28.51 | wols_ | gnumm: you don't want tu run testing after lenny becomes stable. then the new testing will be VERY unstable and break a lot |
| 11:29.11 | flower | what do I have to install to use cvs? |
| 11:29.18 | wols_ | flower: cvs |
| 11:29.49 | liable | ddalton: wpasupplicant will try to connect to the ap with wpa security, then a wep enabled one, then an open one in that order. the default line is for open, so if it finds an open network, and no networks you have keys for, it will connect to that one. |
| 11:29.52 | flower | ok thanks |
| 11:29.55 | ronr | antgel: I really like the rtfm answer if accompanied with a direct pointer to a good M. Your answer is not useful. |
| 11:30.12 | gnumm | wols_: will it be more "unstable" than debian sid? |
| 11:30.35 | flower | wols_, how do you respond so quickly? did you type flower or is there another way in irc? |
| 11:30.36 | wols_ | usually yes |
| 11:30.40 | antgel | ronr: the answer is as useful as the question. i didn't say rtfm, but now you mention it, not a bad idea |
| 11:30.44 | liable | ddalton: if you have several secured networks within range, then theres another option for giving priority, but we'll leave that for now. |
| 11:30.51 | wols_ | flower: flo<tab> |
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| 11:30.56 | gnumm | wols_: for how many time? |
| 11:31.01 | gnumm | *much |
| 11:31.06 | wols_ | gnumm: until it settles down |
| 11:31.08 | flower | wols_: ok thanks |
| 11:31.18 | liable | ddalton: if the channel gets too busy, you can /query |
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| 11:31.28 | ddalton | so if my meighbour has an insecure network, it will connect to his or mine first? |
| 11:31.34 | cisconub | I was trying to install debian to an x86 using the netinst cd but it would always lock up, tried cd1 and it's actually working now. |
| 11:31.55 | ddalton | oh ok, thanks. |
| 11:31.55 | ronr | antgel: I don't feel like going into a discussion about this now, but I think the question was: could anyone give me a good FM to R, if that wasn't clear I probably wrote it down incorrect |
| 11:32.02 | gnumm | wols_: so there is one moment when testing becomes more stable? |
| 11:32.06 | JyZyXEL | (((((--_________---)))))) |
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| 11:32.15 | JyZyXEL | oops |
| 11:32.18 | fword | hi. i need to run an app when the system reboots, is /etc/rc.local where i would add the shell command for it? |
| 11:32.33 | wols_ | !tell fword about rc.local |
| 11:32.44 | aidehua | !tell aidehua about rc.local |
| 11:32.52 | enouf | gnumm: the way it works is; because the release is frozen months prior to release, the upstream pkgs get backed up |
| 11:32.52 | wols_ | !tell aidehua about selftell |
| 11:32.54 | abrotman | !tell fword about run at startup |
| 11:33.04 | fword | !tell fword init.d |
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| 11:33.12 | antgel | ronr: so have you searched the web or not? |
| 11:33.17 | enouf | gnumm: then when they finally get let in again - there are tons of them - and usually much breakage |
| 11:33.18 | abrotman | fword: /msg dpkg foo |
| 11:33.31 | gnumm | ah ok |
| 11:33.33 | fword | thx. i feel pretty. |
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| 11:33.41 | enouf | gnumm: for atleast a few weeks to a few months thereafter |
| 11:33.49 | abrotman | pretty? |
| 11:33.57 | aidehua | abrotman: ! |
| 11:33.57 | ronr | antgel: yeah I did, I found something on debian administration that had some info, but I did have the strong impression it was either outdated or incomplete |
| 11:34.04 | abrotman | hi aidehua |
| 11:34.15 | aidehua | abrotman: ...and I thought the good old days of #debian were well in the past. Hello :) |
| 11:34.27 | abrotman | in the past? liable has been here longer than me |
| 11:34.37 | abrotman | i think |
| 11:34.43 | abrotman | is getting old .. memory going |
| 11:34.44 | aidehua | wonders if that raven chap is around. I guess greycat is still not here. |
| 11:34.55 | abrotman | aidehua: greycat is gone .. simonrvn is still around |
| 11:35.07 | antgel | ronr: my google search for linux encrypted filesystem brings up enough hits. perhaps read a few howtos then ask a specific question |
| 11:35.13 | abrotman | you can still find greycat in #bash on some day |
| 11:35.14 | randall | how do i install flash plugin |
| 11:35.15 | abrotman | days |
| 11:35.21 | abrotman | !tell randall about flash |
| 11:35.29 | randall | ty abrotman |
| 11:35.45 | antgel | is still here but is a newbie compared to the others ;) |
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| 11:36.20 | aidehua | abrotman: greycat> Yeah, I sometimes drop into #bash when I have a generic Unix question :) I usually get shouted at by greycat-wannabe acolytes, and get a useful answer from Wooledge himself :) |
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| 11:36.27 | fword | dpkg is a pretty cool bot. is it open source? |
| 11:36.29 | dpkg | fword: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:36.37 | abrotman | fword: the bot? |
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| 11:36.44 | fword | i love it! |
| 11:36.45 | abrotman | duh |
| 11:36.50 | abrotman | !tell fword about blootbot |
| 11:37.00 | Bushmills | thinks if antgel is able to read he has a distinct advantage over some of the other newbies |
| 11:37.14 | avu | abrotman, shouldn't you be in bed? |
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| 11:37.19 | abrotman | avu: work hours! |
| 11:37.32 | avu | abrotman, doh, I have to get my timezones straight :( |
| 11:37.46 | enouf | ronr: not sure how related this is, but i had it bookmarked; http://feraga.com/node/94 |
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| 11:39.23 | abrotman | avu: i'm .us .. that makes it easier |
| 11:39.48 | avu | abrotman, only slightly, you guys have so many timezones |
| 11:39.57 | enouf | ronr: and this applies to onlt raid + crypt, IINM, and (any issues noted there might well be fixed already, not sure) http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 |
| 11:40.14 | asg | abrotman: Central Abrotman Time |
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| 11:40.35 | enouf | avu: we be big toothless monster truck rally fans O_o |
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| 11:41.29 | abrotman | enouf: speak for yourself .. i only watch Busch series |
| 11:41.30 | cisconub | sweet finally got debian installed on my new box :) |
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| 11:42.08 | marast | Hum, big DNS exploit |
| 11:42.22 | asg | marast: old news, but update and patch anyway |
| 11:42.28 | ronr | enouf: looks like a place to start, thx |
| 11:42.43 | enouf | avu: those things take up a LOT of room ;-) |
| 11:42.47 | asg | abrotman: for some odd reason Coors was cheaper than Beast here this past weekend. |
| 11:42.54 | enouf | ronr: np |
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| 11:43.06 | abrotman | asg: still too cheap :) |
| 11:43.06 | avu | enouf, which is why you need so many timezones? :) |
| 11:43.16 | enouf | avu: bingo! |
| 11:43.37 | JyZyXEL | marast what exploit? |
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| 11:43.52 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: read your DSAs |
| 11:43.54 | avu | JyZyXEL, don't you read debian-security-announce? :( |
| 11:44.01 | JyZyXEL | no :( |
| 11:44.06 | abrotman | that's your fault |
| 11:44.09 | asg | *facepalm* |
| 11:44.48 | Bushmills | trolly reply would be "no, i don't subscribe to high-traffic lists" :) |
| 11:44.57 | enouf | wait, doesn't Debian's Front Page even show the most recent things? |
| 11:45.01 | asg | enouf: yes |
| 11:45.05 | kommodore | no |
| 11:45.12 | enouf | Yes |
| 11:45.12 | asg | enouf: as does security.debian.org |
| 11:45.13 | JyZyXEL | maybe its because of that exploit why my ISP's DNS servers were down |
| 11:45.14 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/ |
| 11:45.15 | kommodore | it shows almost most recent |
| 11:45.25 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 11:45.25 | vadmeste | Anyone know a terminal that has a log feature ? |
| 11:45.26 | marast | asg: How does that exploit work? Is there a tech document on it? |
| 11:45.28 | kommodore | it never shows today's announcement |
| 11:45.31 | aidehua | I'm running sarge with bind8 :( (Though I see that sarge-backports contains a patched bind9.) |
| 11:45.36 | Bushmills | vadmeste: script |
| 11:45.47 | asg | marast: yes, google for dan kaminski's blog |
| 11:45.51 | vadmeste | I don't wanna to copy from terminal and paste into a file |
| 11:45.51 | enouf | kommodore: i didn't mean, Fresh from the Dev's Desk |
| 11:46.06 | vadmeste | I don't wanna also to add "> file" for each command I execute |
| 11:46.07 | vadmeste | 1> |
| 11:46.20 | enouf | vadmeste: try less Enter presses |
| 11:46.30 | enouf | please |
| 11:46.35 | Bushmills | vadmeste: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/script.1.gz?type=man |
| 11:46.41 | randall | how do i update to the newest iceweasel 3.0 i have 2.0.0.14 |
| 11:46.56 | abrotman | you don't |
| 11:47.10 | vadmeste | Bushmills: thanks |
| 11:47.14 | asg | vadmeste: depending on what you need, try the 'script' command or screen(1) |
| 11:47.30 | randall | why cant i get iceweasel 3.0 |
| 11:47.37 | abrotman | which version fo debian are yo urunning ? |
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| 11:47.43 | abrotman | smacks the keyboard |
| 11:47.44 | randall | lenny |
| 11:47.48 | antgel | gets the popcorn |
| 11:47.56 | abrotman | randall: it's not in lenny yet .. |
| 11:48.02 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 11:48.02 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 11:48.08 | antgel | randall: do you understand how debian releases work? /msg dpkg releases |
| 11:48.24 | randall | ty abrotman and no antgel |
| 11:48.25 | kommodore | You can compile it yourself, if you desperately want it |
| 11:48.36 | randall | no i dont want it that bad lmao |
| 11:49.09 | randall | it can wait lol |
| 11:49.22 | antgel | what's the big joke? |
| 11:49.37 | jelly | why do people laugh their aorists out? English doesn't even have aorists. |
| 11:49.44 | botox | aorist |
| 11:49.49 | botox | what is that? some sort of mutant tourist? |
| 11:49.56 | aidehua | antgel: He's just high on life. |
| 11:49.57 | jelly | botox: it's a tense |
| 11:50.06 | jelly | situation |
| 11:50.23 | antgel | jelly: take it to #highbrow |
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| 11:50.29 | botox | so i could say, the situation is aeorist? |
| 11:50.32 | asg | jelly: if you tense, does your aorist close? |
| 11:50.40 | botox | or indeed, open? |
| 11:50.55 | enouf | hrm, piehole |
| 11:51.27 | marast | asg: Thank you. |
| 11:51.38 | asg | marast: you're welcome |
| 11:52.34 | JyZyXEL | debian-women mailing list <- lol, wut :-D |
| 11:53.09 | JyZyXEL | its full of some virus messages |
| 11:53.09 | jelly | JyZyXEL: sexist! |
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| 11:54.22 | kommodore | does dash have some sort of history file? |
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| 11:54.50 | asg | kommodore: the dash manpage would indicate if it did |
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| 11:55.13 | kommodore | it didn't say it does or does not. |
| 11:55.41 | kommodore | it only mention history buffer |
| 11:55.54 | aidehua | How can I make apt forget about .debs I've installed from the command line using dpkg -i ? |
| 11:56.21 | antgel | !wayttd aidehua |
| 11:56.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aidehua? |
| 11:56.23 | aidehua | (I'd built a sarge backport of etch's bind9 myself, but would rather use the bind9 from sarge-backports, that which used to be backports.org.) |
| 11:57.00 | asg | aidehua: remove the .deb you installed |
| 11:58.01 | JyZyXEL | hmm i forgot where were the current DNS server addresses stored? |
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| 11:59.11 | asg | JyZyXEL: do you ask that question every day? |
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| 11:59.18 | agaran | hello, where i could find kernel image for sparc (sun4c sun4/75) to test if tftp works correctly because all netinsta images i tried i got some errors on sparc? |
| 11:59.19 | JyZyXEL | just yestorday and today |
| 11:59.26 | JyZyXEL | cause i forgot |
| 11:59.48 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 11:59.48 | dpkg | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 12:00.04 | asg | JyZyXEL: then writing it down may be a good idea; that's one of the neat things you can use computers for |
| 12:00.36 | JyZyXEL | i know it was /etc/resolv.conf! |
| 12:00.45 | antgel | asg: i wrote my dns servers on my screen in permanent marker, how do i delete them? |
| 12:01.02 | JyZyXEL | antgel there is no way to delete permanent marker |
| 12:01.04 | asg | antgel: isn't that some compiz plugin now? |
| 12:01.17 | agaran | i alteady tried sid and etch, none of that will load properly (boot net works as loads not binary and reports thats not binary..) |
| 12:01.43 | aidehua | asg: OK, thanks. Actually, using apt-pinning and aptitude, I was able to manually select 9.3.4-2etch2~bpo.1 (rather than 9.3.4-2etch3, which is the version I'd built in my own attempt at a backport). |
| 12:01.47 | antgel | JyZyXEL: wrong. i could dip my monitor in sulphuric acid |
| 12:02.07 | JyZyXEL | nuh uh |
| 12:02.07 | abrotman | or use sand paper on your monitor! |
| 12:02.11 | aidehua | Dear Debian, thank you for keeping sarge-backports going. I'm sorry I haven't upgraded to etch yet. I promise to do so soon. Ed xx |
| 12:02.22 | asg | aidehua: probably safer to remove an old package you aren't using though. |
| 12:02.35 | aidehua | asg: You meant the file, right? |
| 12:03.03 | aidehua | asg: Or did you mean uninstall the debian package (which I'd already done, but the problem I thought I was about to have was that apt still knew about it, at least according to apt-cache policy bind9). |
| 12:03.36 | asg | aidehua: ah, okay. Misread what you said. |
| 12:03.48 | crashanddie | hey guys, what should I do if I get this: |
| 12:04.03 | asg | waits with baited breath |
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| 12:04.15 | crashanddie | python2.4-minimal python2.4 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:04.34 | crashanddie | yeah, timing wasn't perfect on that cliffhanger, sorry |
| 12:04.35 | asg | crashanddie: pastebin the whole command you ran and the output |
| 12:04.46 | crashanddie | asg, I get it out with apt-get install I do |
| 12:04.55 | crashanddie | with every** |
| 12:05.02 | abrotman | paste the whole thing |
| 12:05.05 | crashanddie | k |
| 12:05.07 | antgel | crashanddie: what bit of pastebin don't you understand? |
| 12:05.14 | antgel | paste? bin? |
| 12:05.14 | asg | !apt wrench |
| 12:05.15 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 12:05.42 | crashanddie | you're gonna yell at me |
| 12:05.46 | asg | no we aren't |
| 12:05.48 | crashanddie | cuz it's a french server |
| 12:05.49 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s214QGkHkt |
| 12:05.58 | antgel | allez les bleus! |
| 12:05.59 | abrotman | apt: you speak french! |
| 12:06.13 | crashanddie | yeah well, youth mistake |
| 12:06.16 | abrotman | crashanddie: are you mixing versions of debian ? |
| 12:06.41 | crashanddie | am I ? |
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| 12:06.49 | abrotman | i'm asking oyu! |
| 12:06.59 | antgel | crashanddie: apt-cache policy python-setuptools: |
| 12:07.04 | antgel | s/:// |
| 12:07.43 | crashanddie | antgel, installed: 0.6c3-3, candidate 0.6c3-3 |
| 12:07.55 | crashanddie | abrotman, I don't think so |
| 12:08.03 | antgel | crashanddie: pastebin please, and cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:08.27 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2AetCQKE9 |
| 12:08.45 | abrotman | you could just give him overwrite .. and hope nothing explodes |
| 12:09.03 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2GVrCcYxr |
| 12:09.06 | antgel | tiptoes away |
| 12:09.22 | crashanddie | who the hell added unstable |
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| 12:11.17 | antgel | crashanddie: i don't think that's affecting anything. personally i'd try to remove and reinstall python-setuptools, and maybe the other python packages as well |
| 12:12.29 | crashanddie | yeah, I was about to do that, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a cleaner way |
| 12:12.45 | antgel | oh, that /is/ the clean way :) |
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| 12:13.29 | crashanddie | :P |
| 12:13.35 | Nyle | good morning |
| 12:14.30 | enouf | Nyle: not without an Air Conditioner |
| 12:14.48 | crashanddie | antgel, that seemed to have done the trick |
| 12:14.53 | crashanddie | thanks |
| 12:15.28 | antgel | \o/ |
| 12:15.34 | asg | !prize antgel |
| 12:15.35 | dpkg | gives antgel a yogi pin. |
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| 12:15.51 | antgel | a yogi pin? can i eat that? |
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| 12:15.53 | antgel | dines |
| 12:15.57 | asg | :feed antgel |
| 12:15.58 | asg | doh |
| 12:16.00 | antgel | *lunches |
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| 12:16.29 | drax2gma | hi ppl |
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| 12:17.33 | drax2gma | Anybody knows how to join/migrate a cyrus+sasldb service into a new ldap server? |
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| 12:18.16 | asg | drax2gma: #ldap might be a better venue for such a question |
| 12:18.37 | drax2gma | hm perhaps, i'll try it there too. thx |
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| 12:19.31 | bullium | is renaming a username for a system account on a debian 4 system as simple as...renaming the name in /etc/passwd /etc/shadow files and renaming the home directory? |
| 12:20.21 | asg | bullium: generally, yes. You should use usermod though. |
| 12:20.53 | bullium | asg: I figured as much...is that effectively what usermod is doing? |
| 12:20.57 | wols_ | advisable to change /etc/shadow too |
| 12:21.10 | wols_ | or logging in will be hard :) |
| 12:21.23 | asg | bullium: essentially. |
| 12:21.25 | bullium | wols_: I mentioned that |
| 12:21.28 | Bushmills | bullium: not home dir, if you don't change home dir in passwd file |
| 12:21.47 | wols_ | bullium: didn't see, sorry |
| 12:22.07 | bullium | wols_: np |
| 12:22.14 | joltcan | drax2gma: I prepopulated a ldap with the needed things like ou's, and then I just parsed the sasldb file and entered the user and password in the ldap with this script: http://6e309c6c3284b9ae.paste.se/ |
| 12:22.24 | Bushmills | wols_: do you happen do be family of sussudio? |
| 12:22.31 | asg | haha |
| 12:23.11 | wols_ | Bushmills: why? |
| 12:23.32 | enouf | heh, strange bedfellows :-p |
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| 12:24.03 | Bushmills | wols_: because sometimes i seem to spot a simiar ... corrosiveness towards users, or your being sometimes a bit short tempered too. sort of similar to sussudio |
| 12:24.22 | enouf | hey! my temper is short too! |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | is not! |
| 12:24.50 | wols_ | Bushmills: as long as you don't compare me to mwilson, it's all good |
| 12:25.03 | wols_ | enouf: compared to me, you are a saint |
| 12:25.14 | drax2gma | joltcan: thanks, i'll try it. |
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| 12:25.27 | enouf | haha .. not really, you rarely see me when i have to respond to dolts and b0z0s ;-) |
| 12:25.43 | Nyle | is you lookin' in da mirra? |
| 12:25.44 | joltcan | drax2gma: so the most of the work is to find out how you want the user structure to be |
| 12:25.47 | Nyle | ahahah burn |
| 12:26.05 | enouf | plugs Nyle in, his batteries need recharging |
| 12:26.13 | Nyle | :( |
| 12:26.23 | drax2gma | joltcan: yepp i agree |
| 12:26.40 | enouf | Nyle: is it humid enough for ya? |
| 12:26.55 | Nyle | nah |
| 12:26.59 | Nyle | nyc is dry as hell |
| 12:27.05 | Nyle | friday man, going back home to louisiana |
| 12:27.14 | Nyle | oh i can't wait for the humidity |
| 12:27.16 | enouf | Nyle: step outside, from your AC, with your rabbit slippers and plaid robe .. |
| 12:27.30 | Nyle | don't forget the pointy hat and a lamp |
| 12:27.41 | Nyle | or candle |
| 12:28.01 | ArmEagle | I'm looking at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/memtest86+ .. the way I read it, if I install that, it will start this at boot-up.. then lets me pass it somehow and return/continue to linux? |
| 12:28.12 | enouf | why do you want to live in a swamp man? |
| 12:28.16 | enouf | runs |
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| 12:28.30 | abrotman | ArmEagle: IIRC .. it provides a bootloader option to run it |
| 12:28.31 | Bushmills | ArmEagle: you'd run it from the boot loader, for example |
| 12:28.46 | ArmEagle | hmm, it didn't change anything in the grub menu config though |
| 12:28.46 | abrotman | ArmEagle: and when done, the system will reboot, and you can choose your normal OS |
| 12:28.51 | Nyle | ArmEagle, insall it, and reboot the system, upon grub you will have a entry for boot memtest, which will test your ram, and after which you can reboto again and select debian |
| 12:28.56 | enouf | ArmEagle: see the comments in menu.lst |
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| 12:29.05 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 12:29.09 | Bushmills | ArmEagle: having memtest on a usb stick may be a good idea |
| 12:29.14 | ArmEagle | enouf doh.. completely read over it :) |
| 12:29.28 | rysiek|pl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.29 | ArmEagle | Bushmills heh.. it actually is.. since the whole OS is on a memory stick.. the only I have :P |
| 12:29.30 | enouf | ArmEagle: almost all livecds and even the Debian Installer has memtest86+, IIRC |
| 12:30.23 | Bushmills | indeed. new generation of netbook are in the making too .. even cheaper .. no internal storage anymore. one *needs* external mem, like usb stick, for those. |
| 12:31.05 | enouf | ArmEagle: remember now, do not remove the single from the line; memtest86=true <-- those are read, see what the File mentions about not uncommenting options within the Automagic area |
| 12:31.17 | wols_ | Bushmills: how do they store the OS? |
| 12:31.18 | Bushmills | on the way to truly become appliances, no personal data stored in them anymore. |
| 12:31.25 | Bushmills | wols_: usb boot |
| 12:31.46 | wols_ | useless. if they can't fit in a 10$ flash, it's useless |
| 12:32.02 | bullium | asg looks like you also need /etc/group |
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| 12:32.09 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: the way I see it the only - and a serious one, too - limitation to miniaturisation is usability; i.e. I have a 12.1" notebook and the keyboard is almost a pain to use |
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| 12:32.41 | Bushmills | i think it is more the personalizing aspect. the computer itself is completely non-preconfigured, therefore you are sure to run your own system and configuration |
| 12:33.05 | enouf | all keyboards should be roolups :-P |
| 12:33.10 | enouf | erm rollups |
| 12:33.16 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: with even smaller ones, one will *have* to use external keyboards, storage, etc; and that stops to be convenient (think of all the hw you'd have to plug-in to use it - storage, kb, etc) |
| 12:33.16 | bullium | asg: looks like you also need /etc/group |
| 12:33.17 | enouf | same for displays |
| 12:33.19 | Bushmills | rysiek|pl: true. screen and keyboard are the problems with those machines |
| 12:33.19 | ArmEagle | enouf ahh thanks a lot! |
| 12:33.26 | rysiek|pl | enouf: yeah, that's a good one ;) |
| 12:33.47 | rysiek|pl | enouf: and through Bluetooth, too, so no cables and everybody can listen-in :P |
| 12:34.03 | enouf | yay NSA and SkyNet! \o/ |
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| 12:34.18 | Bushmills | rysiek|pl: i have a foldable keyboard, a targus stowaway. harmonica style. fits in pocket, but extends to about 90% size full keyboard. just needs bluetooth now :) |
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| 12:34.40 | PingFloyd | and DRM daemon to eat up memory |
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| 12:35.41 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: aargh! /me wantsie! |
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| 12:38.59 | Bushmills | rysiek|pl: looks like this extended: http://www.preisauskunft.de/files/images/\Detail\18942C85-E077-49E5-9C7E-FE950208C597.jpg, and like this folded: http://www.targus.com/us/product_images/PA840U_img1_accessories_b.jpg |
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| 12:39.24 | asg | bullium: that's why usermod has the companion groupmod |
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| 12:40.18 | ArmEagle | good, it's running.. |
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| 12:40.35 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: sweet. the foldable ones are better that rolables, at least IMHO - I just *need* tactile and audible feedback... |
| 12:41.42 | aidehua | I've always wondered about this -- is there a way of telling apt about local .debs that I've got floating around on my filesystem, so that it can use them in an upgrade? |
| 12:41.53 | bullium | asg: thanks...I'm just trying to figure out how authentication is setup on a Debian system...trying to learn the innards a bit |
| 12:42.31 | aidehua | (I misread a version number: it turns out that the sarge-backports bind9 *doesn't* fix CVE-2008-1447, so I'm having to build my own backport of bind9.) |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | aidehua: you really should upgrade to etch .. sarge no longer has security support |
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| 12:43.28 | rysiek|pl | aidehua: I second what abrotman said |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | like that was needed |
| 12:43.46 | Home__ | is there a way to install my wireless without internet access (intel 4965)? |
| 12:44.01 | abrotman | internet access at all? |
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| 12:44.15 | Home__ | yah on a nother pc |
| 12:44.18 | Home__ | *another |
| 12:44.18 | wols_ | !tell Home__ about ipw4965 |
| 12:44.24 | aidehua | abrotman: Sure, but in the meantime, I'm hoping to do this bind9 upgrade, at least. |
| 12:44.57 | Home__ | i ran modprobe but i stil dont see my wireless when doing iwlconfig |
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| 12:45.08 | abrotman | did you get the firmware pacakges ? |
| 12:45.09 | Home__ | just lo and eth0 |
| 12:45.14 | egoleo | hello |
| 12:45.22 | wols_ | Home__: modprobe and what else? |
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| 12:45.29 | wols_ | and where is the firmware? and what kernel do you run? |
| 12:45.30 | Home__ | modprobe iwl4965 |
| 12:45.30 | egoleo | hello anyone have a link as to how to create a .deb file |
| 12:45.38 | asg | egoleo: /msg dpkg mg |
| 12:45.54 | Home__ | wols_, i installed testing with a fresh download today |
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| 12:46.17 | wols_ | Home__: that doesn't answer any of my questions |
| 12:46.26 | Home__ | wols_, one sec |
| 12:46.48 | aidehua | abrotman: ...and it's not like I don't plan to upgrade to sarge at all, I just need a whole weekend to do it, which I won't have until mid-August. |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | aidehua: today starts your weekend :) |
| 12:47.14 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 12:47.14 | dpkg | i heard tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 12:47.41 | aidehua | I'll just dpkg -i by hand then. |
| 12:47.42 | Home__ | wols_, not sure about the firmware, but running 2.6.24 for kernel |
| 12:48.01 | Home__ | i saw some error on boot about intel4965 but passed to fast to read |
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| 12:48.43 | Home__ | i downloaded iwlwifi-4965 ucode if that is any help :/ |
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| 12:49.26 | aronofsky | hi guys , silly question, I try to get only the mac@ field from arp output, i tried "arp|cut -f3 -d\t" but it doesn't do the trick ... anyone would have a simple solution ? |
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| 12:50.13 | asg | aronofsky: awk '{print $3}' may work better |
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| 12:50.39 | aronofsky | asg: obvious ... thx a lot |
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| 12:52.23 | Bushmills | aronofsky: arp -an may be better than just arp .. no header line, and no hostname |
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| 12:53.13 | aronofsky | Bushmills: you're right, not having the haeder will make it easier , thx |
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| 12:54.00 | Home__ | anyone? |
| 12:54.16 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 12:54.16 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:54.35 | abrotman | use your other OS and grab the firmware-iwlwifi package from packages.debian.org |
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| 12:54.58 | Spirit_ | hi, i just had my system lock up. all keystrokes took about 30-60 seconds to do their action. i managed to get to tty1 and log in but after about 5 minutes trying to get top or htop i lost my patience and (successfully) used the syskey-RSEIUB sequence. is there a way to find what process was the culprit after a reboot? i guess not so what would be a good way to identify it next time? |
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| 12:55.47 | jaggz1 | good morning folks. |
| 12:55.51 | antgel | where can i see what changed between debian policy 3.7.3 and 3.8.0? |
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| 12:55.58 | Home__ | abortman, thanks |
| 12:56.18 | antgel | Home__: that's ab/ro/tman |
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| 12:56.37 | JyZyXEL | if dnsmasq caches then why is "nslookup google.com" slow every time i do it? |
| 12:56.43 | jaggz1 | abroo means eyebrow in Persian |
| 12:56.47 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't it only be slow the first time |
| 12:56.50 | Home__ | sorry, late night, i'm a bit off :/ , was also wondering why tab wasnt autocomplete -_- |
| 12:56.51 | JyZyXEL | and second time it comes from cache |
| 12:57.02 | Home__ | *autocompleting |
| 12:57.31 | jaggz1 | Spirit, maybe be more patient? |
| 12:57.49 | Delph | JyZyXEL: depends on how long the entry should be cached for |
| 12:57.52 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: your system is actually using it? |
| 12:57.56 | Spirit_ | jaggz1: well, apart from that :o) |
| 12:58.06 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills yea |
| 12:58.09 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: dig is more informative, btw |
| 12:58.34 | JyZyXEL | it queries my ISP's nameservers every time |
| 12:58.41 | JyZyXEL | they are SLOW^2 at the moment |
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| 12:58.45 | jaggz1 | sometimes I'll blindly kill firefox |
| 12:58.55 | jaggz1 | 'cause I know it's a problem |
| 12:59.00 | JyZyXEL | i wonder why the cache isn't working |
| 12:59.02 | arcsky | where can i find good source list ? |
| 12:59.05 | JyZyXEL | or is it sum 10ms cache time =D |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | !tell arcsky about sources.list |
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| 13:00.09 | JyZyXEL | dnsmasq doesn't let you set cache time |
| 13:00.11 | JyZyXEL | just cache size |
| 13:00.36 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: i was running maradns, pdnsd, pdns recursor, dnsmasq and now dnscache (from djbdns) as caching recursors .. dnsmasq was the one which didn't perform well here. |
| 13:00.45 | Home__ | what does "could not read microcode -2" mean? |
| 13:00.53 | JyZyXEL | oh i should get dnscache |
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| 13:01.05 | antgel | Home__: you might need to browse the driver source |
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| 13:01.33 | Home__ | antgel, that was the error at boot when trying to load the driver |
| 13:02.08 | Bushmills | i only installed it after djbdns has been made free software, and i actually like it. the config is a bit unusual, but not undoable. |
| 13:02.10 | antgel | Home__: i know |
| 13:02.39 | Home__ | antgel, ok |
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| 13:04.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.36 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to export email from mbox format into an IMAP account? |
| 13:04.46 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 13:04.51 | Home__ | i just installed the firmware with the deb package, lets see if it works |
| 13:04.55 | abrotman | mb2md or something like that |
| 13:05.01 | Bushmills | (actually i'm not using it as recursor now - it only relays to a dns which i have running on a rented server in the net. is faster then either using provider's dns, or letting it recurse itself. |
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| 13:05.43 | Home__ | woo no error at boot :) |
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| 13:06.31 | Home__ | wireless is detected. thanks guys :) |
| 13:08.27 | ddalton | liable: around? |
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| 13:11.52 | abrotman | ddalton: lots of people are around ... IIRC, it's a bit after his bed time .. or will be very soon |
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| 13:12.24 | wols_ | ddalton: how did it go? |
| 13:12.26 | Bushmills | ddalton: do you happen to know ALVA readers? |
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| 13:15.22 | wozza | googles alva check first 3 hits - nothing |
| 13:15.38 | Bushmills | wozza: dutch manufacturer |
| 13:15.38 | wozza | BushMills what are ALVA readers? |
| 13:16.15 | Bushmills | s/readers/braille terminals/ |
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| 13:19.35 | aidehua | Hooray! My sarge bind9 is now upgraded :) |
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| 13:22.26 | wozza | yeah and udev vol_id now recognizes tuxonice suspend images |
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| 13:24.01 | pumpkin0 | i have problems installing tetex-bin. "apt-get install tetex-bin tetex-base tetex-extra" starts setting up tetex-bin and fails with "No alternatives for oxdvi.bin". BTS does not list this. -purge and reinstall did not help. What next ? |
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| 13:25.07 | antgel | pumpkin0: pastebin the output, and that of cat /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 13:26.02 | antgel | pumpkin0: scrap that. couldn't you at least search the web before asking? |
| 13:26.08 | antgel | !dbugs 427774 |
| 13:26.12 | dpkg | DONE:#427774:S[tetex-bin] tetex-bin fails to install, missing alternatives for oxdvi.bin; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:42:05 UTC |
| 13:26.56 | pumpkin0 | antgel: why does the BTS not list that ? |
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| 13:27.36 | antgel | pumpkin0: it does. HTH. |
| 13:27.40 | ronr | I've been trying to create a vpn with openvpn but some clients are going to be windows vista users and it looks like that's not quite working yet (plus the windows install is like to become to complex for those users), what alternatives (preferably with very good support in xp and vista) do I have? |
| 13:27.41 | wols_ | considering it's a dbugs entry it does |
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| 13:28.12 | joltcan | ronr: openvpn.se has an excellent installer and GUI for windows |
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| 13:28.42 | ronr | joltcan: thx, I'll give that a try |
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| 13:29.02 | Bushmills | or install debian on the windows machines |
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| 13:29.54 | diablo | ? |
| 13:29.56 | ronr | Bushmills: yeah, right |
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| 13:30.28 | diablo | ? |
| 13:31.05 | kailiey | isn't there a bind remote vulnerability? |
| 13:31.11 | rsk | yea, right on :) |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 13:31.26 | dpkg | from memory, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 13:31.26 | rsk | kailiey: um no? point me to it |
| 13:31.52 | kailiey | i thought i read it last night, sec |
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| 13:32.18 | pumpkin0 | wols_: so the fix is to install the sid-package, yes ? |
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| 13:33.19 | kailiey | http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 |
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| 13:37.28 | ronr | joltcan: the tap device won't install on vista |
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| 13:37.57 | itguru | Hi guys, fetchmail is really doing my head in - It's pulling mail down from a POP box for the domain, it's also delivering the mail to the correct internal mail server, it's just removing the TO information - how do I stop this from happening? |
| 13:38.08 | joltcan | ronr: ok. and tun is not enough? |
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| 13:38.50 | Bushmills | in fact, tun is preferred over tap |
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| 13:38.59 | ronr | joltcan: I use tun but when I first started the windows client it said it needed tap |
| 13:39.32 | Bushmills | ronr: you're using a bridging configuration? |
| 13:40.23 | ronr | Bushmills: no |
| 13:40.34 | ronr | there's dev tun in the server config |
| 13:40.46 | ronr | and in the client config |
| 13:40.48 | Bushmills | strange. afaik. tap is only needed for a bridging ... yes. server sounds ok then. |
| 13:41.49 | Sling | [MSA080709-001] OpenSSH Vulnerability http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2008/Jul/0090.html |
| 13:41.54 | liable | whats the keycode to switch between split windows in irssi? |
| 13:42.16 | ronr | Bushmills: I though so too, but then the windows client said There are no TAP-Win32 adapters on this system.... |
| 13:42.30 | ronr | I'll check at the openvpn channel |
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| 13:46.35 | robert83a1 | hello got here debian sarge, with 2 ethernet interfaces 100mbps, they are in a bridge. The problem is when I insert the bridge between the two ends, the network speed decreases drasticaly, the network is 10mbps, I get a lot of collusions TX and errors on both eth0 and eth1, any ideas? Maybe I should set the eth0 ,eth1 to 10mbps? is that a possible problem? |
| 13:46.37 | Veros | how do i see the list of currently installed packages? |
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| 13:46.53 | abrotman | !tell Veros about installed |
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| 13:51.10 | Veros | how can I know which packages I need and how much space they use? |
| 13:51.54 | wols_ | try to install what you want with apt-get and it will tell you both |
| 13:52.26 | Veros | no, I am talking about the ones I already have |
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| 13:53.09 | ronr | Bushmills: found the problem, it's not with the tap device (which openvpn does need on windows for tun) but because by default openvpn doesn't run as administrator (setuid) so it can't create the routing table |
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| 13:54.16 | Bushmills | windows sounds liie a bizarre world |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | !tell Veros about sort by size |
| 13:54.50 | Bushmills | though, well, adding a pushed route in the lnux version needs root privs too. |
| 13:54.58 | ronr | Bushmills: I guess you've been behind a xp machine once, compared to vista that's a great product :S |
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| 13:55.23 | Kykolka | . |
| 13:55.36 | ronr | yeah, that's true, but then an installation will install either setuid or implement something like sudo |
| 13:55.55 | Bushmills | ronr, i know neither XP nor Vista |
| 13:56.17 | ronr | Bushmills: lucky man |
| 13:56.47 | Bushmills | one doesn't know what one misses unless he gets to know it, they say. means, i can't judge |
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| 14:02.20 | NoxIn | ronr : are you using an openvpn 2.0 or 2.1 ? on vista I think only the 2.1 versions (beta) works |
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| 14:03.33 | adsg | Black belt in dnsmasq, anyone? |
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| 14:03.55 | ronr | NoxIn: I use the version from debian stable (2.0) on the server and 2.0 on vista. I do have a connection now |
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| 14:04.38 | abrotman | clearly someone has a white belt in asking |
| 14:05.08 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2008/06/ |
| 14:05.28 | adsg | hehe :) |
| 14:05.37 | adsg | OK, I'm trying to push some routes to client via DHCP (dnsmasq), but the syntax isnt really the same as with "route"... |
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| 14:08.47 | Veros | and how can we see dependenies of a package? |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 14:09.07 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 14:09.29 | Veros | what do you mean> |
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| 14:09.46 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 14:09.46 | dpkg | refcard is, like, A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | Veros: man apt-cache |
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| 14:11.30 | asg | Veros: and if that doesn't help, you can always use the 'apt-rdepends' package |
| 14:11.56 | gromgull | I've installed debian on a virtual machine, and when configuring X nothing is found, no gfx driver, no modes, nothing. Starting X gives me 1024x768 - but no way to change it - the gnome resolution box is empty etc. |
| 14:12.07 | gromgull | I've tried adding some modes to xorg.conf , but it doen't help |
| 14:12.09 | gromgull | doesn't |
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| 14:12.13 | gromgull | Any ideas? |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:12.41 | asg | gromgull: which virtual machine software are you using? |
| 14:12.50 | FunctorSalad | is there some way to select some packages in aptitude and then mark them all for upgrade at once? (so aptitude doesn't stop to resolve stuff for every single package you mark for upgrade) |
| 14:12.59 | Ramla | I just installed debian for routing purposes. Did I already fail by installing ipmasq? If not, am I wrong to now write "update-rc.d ipmasq defaults 20" if I want it to be run on startup? I have no idea how runlevels work... |
| 14:13.18 | wols_ | FunctorSalad: aptitude install foo bar baz |
| 14:13.22 | Veros | I type 'apt-cahe depends perl' and it says 'Unable to write mmap - msync...' |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: use the cli interface instead of the GUI thingie |
| 14:13.23 | gromgull | asg: virtualbox |
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| 14:13.32 | Veros | no spcae left on device |
| 14:13.38 | wols_ | Ramla: dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 14:13.40 | NoxIn | abrotman : it talks about /etc/network/options on the refcard ... isn't it deprecated ? |
| 14:13.47 | wols_ | Ramla: it's asks you where you want to run it |
| 14:13.55 | FunctorSalad | wols_ , abrotman : heh. you try to manage kde4 dependencies from the cli ;) |
| 14:13.55 | Ramla | wols_: aight, thanks |
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| 14:13.56 | abrotman | NoxIn: but i think it still looks in there |
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| 14:14.04 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: i wouldn't want to manage kde4 at all |
| 14:14.07 | wols_ | Ramla: ipmasq makes your debian a NAT router. for serving DNS and DHCP as well, use dnsmasq |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: and i'm sure there's a metapackage |
| 14:14.10 | asg | gromgull: install the client tools if you haven't already |
| 14:14.14 | abrotman | !tell FunctorSalad about kde4 |
| 14:14.18 | wols_ | !tell FunctorSalad about kde4 |
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| 14:14.22 | NoxIn | ok |
| 14:14.28 | wols_ | abrotman: type slower dammit! |
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| 14:14.31 | FunctorSalad | abrotman: sure, but it breaks lots of things so I have to select things by hand |
| 14:14.46 | FunctorSalad | (leaving out the offending packages) |
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| 14:14.57 | Bushmills | !tell abrotman about enter |
| 14:15.04 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: hint .. don't use it |
| 14:15.12 | Knight_Lord | wols_ thanks |
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| 14:15.23 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: AIUI .. kde4 is a wreck |
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| 14:15.35 | randall_ | what is a good music player for debian i tried audacious but its not working right |
| 14:15.40 | FunctorSalad | abrotman: hmm, ok. I was hoping the worst bugs were solved by now |
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| 14:16.00 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: you'd have to ask #debian-kde about how to install it and which version they're tempting you with |
| 14:16.01 | Ramla | wols_: does it work just with dnsmasq or do I have to have both if I want dns as well? |
| 14:16.11 | Veros | why doesn't 'apt-cahe depends perl' work? |
| 14:16.17 | wols_ | Ramla: both. and for DHCP you need to edit dnsmasq config |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | apt-cache ? |
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| 14:16.33 | Bushmills | randall_: some like mpd which one of the wide choice of clients |
| 14:16.36 | FunctorSalad | randall_: amarok |
| 14:16.39 | lxsameer | hi m i have a dell XPS m 1330 laptop . when i install debian etch on it . for the first time that debian will load xserver faild to start . can any one help me? |
| 14:16.41 | Ramla | wols_: then I didn't read everything wrong. :-) |
| 14:16.47 | abrotman | randall_: define now working right |
| 14:16.53 | wols_ | lxsameer: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 14:17.04 | abrotman | randall_: if you're in lenny .. you have to grab the 'plugins' stuff from sid to make audacious work .. but then it's fine |
| 14:17.27 | randall_ | how do i get the plugins i think thats my problem |
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| 14:17.31 | abrotman | audacious-plugins and audacious-plugins-extras .. or something like that |
| 14:17.31 | FunctorSalad | randall_: that is, if you like lots of features and smallness is not the issue |
| 14:17.37 | lxsameer | wols_ : i'm in damn windows now . i think that it hase problem with lcd and vga. |
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| 14:17.47 | abrotman | randall_: packages.debian.org .. use wget to download them |
| 14:17.52 | slidesinger_lt | Am having issues with resolvconf. resolvconf -u keeps rewriting /etc/resolv.conf to localhost even though I have a dns-nameservers option set in /etc/network/interfaces. Does anyone have any idea why? |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | randall_: then use dpkg -i to install the two packages you download |
| 14:18.24 | Bushmills | randall_: xmms2 is probably targetted to compete with mpd but seems to be far more complex. and the choice of available clients is also smaller - at least for now. |
| 14:18.26 | wols_ | lxsameer: we cannot know until you do what we ask you. and we don't support windows |
| 14:18.34 | randall_ | abrotman ok |
| 14:18.38 | randall_ | ty Bushmills |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | randall_: make sense? |
| 14:18.54 | randall_ | yes im gonna try to do it lol |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | randall_: btw .. there is a BTS entry for this exact issue |
| 14:19.04 | abrotman | and it gives that exact solution |
| 14:19.40 | randall_ | ok |
| 14:19.42 | lxsameer | wols_ : ok i will try that is any articl about xps and debian around? |
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| 14:20.07 | wols_ | !tell lxsameer about laptop |
| 14:20.09 | Bushmills | randall_: you can also use video players like vlc, totem, xine and such to play audio. |
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| 14:20.24 | abrotman | randall_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486543 .. your first stop when something totally fails to run should be the BTS |
| 14:20.49 | lxsameer | wols_: XPS m 1330 |
| 14:21.35 | wols_ | lxsameer: have you checked the URLs? |
| 14:21.44 | randall_ | ty abrotman i will remember that |
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| 14:22.53 | gromgull | asg: I hadn't installed the client-tools, but apt-get virtual-box-ose-guest-modules|utils did it - how does this help the X situation? |
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| 14:24.11 | asg | gromgull: it introduces more compatible drivers to make the environment more robust. |
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| 14:25.04 | karrotx | spamassassin on 4.0, spamd[3188]: prefork: select returned -1! recovering: Bad file descriptor; <--- found in /var/log/syslog, at that point spamassassin stops filtering spam |
| 14:25.21 | karrotx | a restart works, i've found a few bugs on the spamassassin site, the fixes don't appear to work |
| 14:25.34 | karrotx | it also appears that they've been taken care of since march 2007 |
| 14:25.46 | karrotx | does anyone know if debians implemented these fixes? |
| 14:26.07 | wols_ | !tell karrotx about volatile |
| 14:26.43 | karrotx | i don't want to upgrade spamassassin to some non-standard debian release on a production box |
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| 14:27.45 | asg | gromgull: check section 4.1 (specifically 4.3.x) in the virtualbox manual for more info |
| 14:27.48 | wols_ | karrotx: then why do you even ask about debian packages? |
| 14:27.49 | Ramla | wols_: did I do something wrong? dpkg-reconfigured ipmasq to start after interfaces have been brought up. rebooted and it's not running o_O |
| 14:28.06 | gromgull | asg: manual - ugh :) will do |
| 14:28.06 | firsm | How do I prevent xorg from using one of my usb keyboards? |
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| 14:28.16 | wols_ | Ramla: how did you check if it's running? |
| 14:28.19 | karrotx | wols_: because i'm using etch-stable |
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| 14:28.54 | wols_ | karrotx: newsflash: debian stable does not use a "standard spamassassin". instead it uses a non standard debian release of it |
| 14:29.04 | wols_ | karrotx: 2nd flash: do you even know what volatile is? |
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| 14:29.27 | karrotx | wols_: i didn't say "standard spamassassin" i said standard debian release |
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| 14:29.44 | wols_ | karrotx: please read the volatile url. if you are able to, come back |
| 14:29.46 | dan2 | asg: what's up my good friend? |
| 14:29.48 | Ramla | wols_: it appears if it's not running I get a huge spam of all nic activity in my face. it disappears when I run ipmasq and that triggers the routing to work on my desk comp as well |
| 14:29.53 | kommodore | What should I do so the "Windows keys" cycle the virtual terminals tty1 to tty6? |
| 14:30.00 | karrotx | wols_: i did, it looks like it's packages that aren't tested nearly as much |
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| 14:30.26 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 14:30.38 | wols_ | *sigh* you can't have it both ways. just not possible |
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| 14:30.49 | asg | wols_: DVDA? |
| 14:30.58 | dan2 | asg: how are you doing? |
| 14:31.03 | karrotx | wols_: how can i make it so it only uses volatile when i specify that source? |
| 14:31.17 | asg | dan2: pretty good; busy as usual |
| 14:31.17 | wols_ | Ramla: answer my question |
| 14:31.26 | dan2 | asg: I'm feeling totally amazing today |
| 14:31.31 | wols_ | !tell karrotx about pinning |
| 14:31.41 | asg | dan2: that's good to hear |
| 14:31.45 | wols_ | asg: huh? |
| 14:31.51 | asg | wols_: nevermind |
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| 14:32.39 | Ramla | wols_: i can't check it with anything since my terminal gets flooded with nic activity, all that port 137 and 138 worm spam I guess |
| 14:32.51 | Ramla | when i log on and run ipmasq, the flood stops and routing starts to work. |
| 14:33.08 | Ramla | that's how I think it is not running until I run it |
| 14:33.31 | wols_ | Ramla: ssh in |
| 14:33.47 | Ramla | I won't get flooded there? |
| 14:33.58 | Ramla | Well, I'll try. |
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| 14:36.13 | Ramla | wols_: I can't even ping the machine until I run ipmasq manually |
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| 14:37.58 | wols_ | Ramla: then you already have some other firewall running |
| 14:38.09 | Ramla | All I've done after a fresh minimal install is adding local area static ip config to /etc/network/interfaces and install screen, irssi, ipmasq, dnsmasq and openssh-server |
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| 14:38.16 | wols_ | debian doesn't stop anything via firewall or such |
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| 14:38.41 | Ramla | Using debian 4.0 |
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| 14:39.00 | wols_ | Ramla: iptables -t nat -L > nat.out and iptables -L > norm.out |
| 14:39.01 | alex___ | hi guys, quick question, i need to setup a cron job that runs every 2 mins between 5am and 6am ... what would be the correct syntax? -> im guessing ... */2 5-6 * * * .... correct? |
| 14:39.09 | wols_ | and look at those files after running ipmasq |
| 14:39.39 | simNIX | looks ok alex |
| 14:40.02 | alex___ | simNIX: thanks ... can anyone else confirm this cronjob? |
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| 14:40.42 | simNIX | in doubt i would set current hour and see what it does - ) |
| 14:41.06 | Ramla | wols_: how should they look? empty? |
| 14:41.19 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:41.22 | wols_ | among other things |
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| 14:41.24 | Ramla | They're not |
| 14:41.45 | wols_ | then you run a firewall. debian doesn't install a firewall by default |
| 14:41.56 | wols_ | you need to run those commands BEFORE running ipmasq bt |
| 14:41.57 | wols_ | w |
| 14:42.13 | Ramla | oh |
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| 14:42.58 | wols_ | Ramla: note that ipmasq does NOT care about logging port 137 access and the like |
| 14:43.08 | wols_ | so you DO have some other firewall running |
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| 14:43.40 | Ramla | well, I'm 99% sure I did not install a firewall |
| 14:43.53 | Ramla | reboot time again, I guess |
| 14:43.57 | wols_ | and I'm 100% sure there is one running. or you don't run debian etch |
| 14:45.16 | inigo | somebody has a valid recipe for preseed a software raid1 + LVM installation ussing the etch d-i? |
| 14:45.45 | inigo | I can only get one or the other... but not bot combined |
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| 14:46.56 | Ramla | mm. they look the same as after running ipmasq. but still not empty. want pastebin? |
| 14:47.33 | itguru | Fetchmail is doing my head in! I've got a catchall email account, which I can access via POP. Fetchmail gets the mail via POP just fine, and it pushes the mail to my internal email server just fine. But it rewrites who the mail if for, so instead of going to dave@domain.name it goes to fetchmailuser@domain.name. I've tried to use the norewrite option in the fetchmail.rc file, but it didn't seem to make a difference. Any ideas? |
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| 14:49.31 | alex___ | any LVS people around? |
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| 14:49.34 | Ramla | wols_: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7ee74a17 |
| 14:50.18 | wols_ | Ramla: you have a firewall running. I doN#t care from where but it's not part of the debian base install |
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| 14:50.21 | gromgull | asg: got it all sorted! Thanks a lot! |
| 14:50.32 | asg | gromgull: you're welcome |
| 14:50.42 | wols_ | Ramla: the ipatbles -L output looks the same as iptables -t nat -L basically |
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| 14:50.57 | wols_ | Ramla: since yours doesn't: firewall |
| 14:51.12 | Ramla | right |
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| 14:51.34 | wols_ | Ramla: so remove it. ipmasq overwrites all those rules anyways |
| 14:52.12 | Ramla | well, the thing is I have no idea what it could be that I need to remove. |
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| 14:52.24 | Ramla | and um, if it rewrites them, they should look different after I run it? |
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| 14:53.13 | Ramla | Hmm, apparently yeah they are a bit different |
| 14:53.28 | Ramla | Just looked the same when there was no comparison |
| 14:53.53 | wols_ | I'd check the rc?.d directories first |
| 14:54.04 | Ramla | What would you be looking for? |
| 14:54.31 | wols_ | Ramla: probably ipamsq is run when the interface comes up and later your 2nd firewall script overwrites ipmasq again |
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| 14:56.43 | inigo | Ramla, if you don't want flood of messages in the tty, check /etc/sysctl.conf (kernel.printk) |
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| 14:57.21 | Ramla | ok, nice |
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| 14:57.45 | inigo | and about the rules... may be you have used iptables-save any time, before ipmasq ? |
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| 14:58.28 | Ramla | no, i didn't touch iptables at all |
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| 14:58.51 | inigo | check the wols_ advices... grep -r iptables /etc may help |
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| 14:59.32 | Ramla | http://debian.pastebin.com/m2d9bb159 |
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| 14:59.56 | inigo | if you don't see something related on boot scripts, mey be you just need to flush the current rules |
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| 15:00.55 | macsim`work | hi, I want to test/understand/study FS restoration, anybody knows a way to damage an ext3 filesystem (don't worry for me I use virtualbox for my test ;)) thanks |
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| 15:01.09 | gui____ | hi |
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| 15:01.35 | chops | macsim`work: Opening /dev/sda1 in a hex editor and changing bytes would work :-) |
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| 15:01.54 | chops | macsim`work: You could also use dd with the skip= option |
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| 15:02.33 | gui____ | is possible to use 3 PCI-e graphic card (with 2 screen connection by card) with xorg (nvidia-settings seems to detect only 2 cards) thank you for helping. |
| 15:02.36 | Ramla | inigo: about the flushing.. iptables -F and do I need to save it somehow? |
| 15:03.12 | inigo | Ramla, if you do a -F you will lose all current rules (including, ipmasq rules) |
| 15:03.13 | macsim`work | chops, ok I gonna test this thanks |
| 15:03.29 | madk | how do get the info from where a package is installed? there was sth. like apt-get -maintainer PACKAGE or so |
| 15:03.35 | inigo | Ramla, then, if you reboot, the machine will load the (harcoded in init scripts) rules |
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| 15:04.04 | trakinas | which is the apt command to find packages not fully installed/removed? |
| 15:04.28 | asg | trakinas: dpkg -l |
| 15:04.31 | gromgull | trakinas "dpkg -l | grep rc" for packages not quite removed |
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| 15:04.37 | asg | trakinas: look at the first column for things not 'ii' or 'hi' |
| 15:04.53 | abrotman | probably better to just grep -v ^ii |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | oh .. duh .. hi |
| 15:05.27 | Bushmills | i have problems finding a player for this movie: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/weather/weather10.avi - all i tried fail (mplayer, gxine, vlc, totem). clearest error message comes from mplayer: Movie-Aspect is 0.55:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect - Source image dimensions are too high: 2846x5130 (maximum is 2046x2046). who has a movie player able to play this? |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | should be `dpkg --show-me-the-bork` |
| 15:06.12 | liable | Bushmills: try resixing it. those dimensions sound a bit ludicrous |
| 15:06.34 | liable | Bushmills: 2846x5130? |
| 15:06.40 | Bushmills | satellite images |
| 15:07.12 | abrotman | Bushmills: did you try totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ? |
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| 15:07.32 | Bushmills | totem-gstreamer, i believe |
| 15:07.48 | defrysk | the bad plugin |
| 15:07.59 | inigo | madk, you want to know "from where" .... may be you want apt-cache policy packagename ?? |
| 15:08.00 | defrysk | iirc |
| 15:08.13 | Bushmills | confirmed. gstreamer |
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| 15:08.29 | defrysk | ugly or bad it is |
| 15:08.41 | madk | inigo, yeah, right. that's it. thanks. |
| 15:08.53 | inigo | np |
| 15:08.56 | trakinas | did not help... Im having major trobles with sshd install |
| 15:09.15 | jaggz1 | ? |
| 15:09.15 | inigo | trakinas, what problems ? |
| 15:09.17 | asg | trakinas: can you explain the trobles? |
| 15:09.17 | trakinas | basicaly: unable to make backup link of `./usr/sbin/sshd' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
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| 15:09.28 | Bushmills | all good bad and ugly are installed - can't tell where the attempted codec actually comes from |
| 15:09.52 | asg | trakinas: are you installing the new version as root? |
| 15:10.01 | trakinas | and apt-get purge returns: Package openssh-server is not installed, so not removed |
| 15:10.05 | trakinas | asg: yes |
| 15:10.21 | trakinas | apt-get -f install outputs the first error... |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | trakinas: dpkg -l openssh-server .. waht's the status ? |
| 15:10.24 | wols_ | trakinas: how did you install that sshd there? |
| 15:10.27 | trakinas | so, Im clueless. |
| 15:10.48 | trakinas | abrotman: in openssh-server <none> (no description available) |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | try to reinstall it ? |
| 15:11.14 | trakinas | abrotman: apt-get install openssh-server? |
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| 15:11.36 | inigo | trakinas, apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | or apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server |
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| 15:12.06 | trakinas | abrotman: same shite |
| 15:12.08 | trakinas | ops |
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| 15:12.23 | abrotman | same? |
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| 15:12.24 | trakinas | pardon the cursing |
| 15:12.28 | abrotman | not descriptive .. but okay |
| 15:12.29 | trakinas | abrotman: yep. =/ |
| 15:12.45 | inigo | trakinas, aptitude update && apt-get -f install ?? |
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| 15:12.52 | abrotman | is anything mounted readonly ? |
| 15:12.53 | jaggz1 | did you remove the sshd binary? t ry renaming it to sshd-old ? |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | is the filesystem full? |
| 15:13.04 | trakinas | jaggz1: says i cannot do that |
| 15:13.10 | trakinas | abrotman: probably not... |
| 15:13.15 | trakinas | abrotman: not full |
| 15:13.21 | abrotman | and not read only ? |
| 15:13.23 | jaggz1 | trakinas, if you cd /usr/sbin/ and mv sshd to sshd-old it says Operation not permitted too? |
| 15:13.27 | liable | show us the errors |
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| 15:13.55 | trakinas | jaggz1: exactly |
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| 15:14.15 | jaggz1 | I don't want to go mv mine to test.. but are there any settings which could actually prevent such a thing?? |
| 15:14.16 | abrotman | are you root? |
| 15:14.22 | jaggz1 | yeah, are you root or not? |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | yes .. if the filesystem is read-only |
| 15:14.39 | trakinas | abrotman: yes. Im root |
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| 15:14.53 | jaggz1 | in the /usr/sbin/ directory type "touch foo" then ls -l foo |
| 15:14.54 | Bushmills | liable: mplayer finds the resolution too high to scale down, hehe: VO: [xv] 2846x5130 => 200x300 Planar YV12 [zoom] - Source image dimensions are too high: 2846x5130 (maximum is 2046x2046) |
| 15:15.16 | trakinas | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2374835 Jul 7 12:37 /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 15:15.26 | trakinas | lunch time... brb |
| 15:15.29 | trakinas | thanks! |
| 15:15.32 | jaggz1 | no.. touch foo. To see if you can make the file |
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| 15:16.01 | trakinas | jaggz1: made.. |
| 15:16.02 | jaggz1 | heh.. ookay. me back to working |
| 15:16.14 | jaggz1 | trakinas, hm |
| 15:16.23 | jaggz1 | go eat lunch.. :) |
| 15:16.28 | trakinas | jaggz1: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 9 12:15 /usr/sbin/foo |
| 15:16.30 | trakinas | going |
| 15:16.31 | trakinas | cheers! |
| 15:16.34 | jaggz1 | I hope your system's not hacked in the meantime :) |
| 15:16.44 | jaggz1 | rm foo :) |
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| 15:16.55 | inigo | may be the file has attributes changed (chattr) ? |
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| 15:17.14 | inigo | to inmutable |
| 15:17.20 | inigo | -i / +i |
| 15:17.37 | asg | lsattr would show if it was |
| 15:17.46 | Sebby | ./configure: line 2351: `FILE * (*rcsopen) (struct buf *, struct stat *, int);' |
| 15:19.19 | alex___ | any LVS people around? or anyone know a Linux virtual server (LVS) channel? |
| 15:20.51 | abrotman | Bushmills: if it makes you feel better ... WMP can't play it either |
| 15:21.08 | abrotman | Bushmills: oh wait .. whining about codecs |
| 15:21.57 | Bushmills | most players do that here, except mplayer. though other movies, made with the same command, but smaller resolution, play fine. |
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| 15:22.06 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/weather/ here are some more |
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| 15:23.38 | Bushmills | all made with the same command and command line parameters. only the resolution is different. and sometimes, source image format, png or jpg. |
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| 15:24.20 | Bushmills | that's a nightly run of the encoder creating them from picture material over the last 31 days |
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| 15:25.08 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 15:25.46 | SamuraiDio | i have changed my locales to pt_BR.UTF-8, but aptitude seens to show me iso-8859-1, all special chars are wrong |
| 15:26.07 | jaggz1 | and you just want to view these videos? |
| 15:26.22 | jaggz1 | I shouldn't get involved with this one |
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| 15:26.29 | SamuraiDio | how can i fix aptitude charset? |
| 15:26.38 | Bushmills | not "just" - i want a player able to play them |
| 15:26.56 | Bushmills | well, they're all playable except the large one |
| 15:28.18 | Bushmills | three or four image sources cause mencoder to balk at them - they have been excluded from nightly run until the cause for that problem has been isolated |
| 15:28.46 | SamuraiDio | ahh, it seens to be a terminal issue |
| 15:30.37 | tdn | How can I improve my SVN server's performance? I am committing large amounts of data with just ~500kb/s in a 100mbit LAN. I am using svn+ssh protocol. |
| 15:30.53 | jaggz1 | someone mentioned to try vlc right? |
| 15:31.04 | Bushmills | i suppose i might have to scale down the large image upon request already, using the scaled versions to feed mencoder with |
| 15:31.19 | alex___ | any LVS people around? or anyone know a Linux virtual server (LVS) channel? |
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| 15:31.31 | jaggz1 | tdn, could throw the compression option (-z?) in the ssh command |
| 15:31.40 | alex___ | foutrelis :P |
| 15:32.00 | jaggz1 | you could also try git, instead. I'm using svn but I was *that* close to switching to git |
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| 15:33.40 | H2S04 | jaggz1: _that_ close huh |
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| 15:36.14 | inigo | tdn, have you investigated a bit? monitor the network interfaces load, I/O of disks, processes, etc. ? |
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| 15:38.32 | inigo | anyway neither subversion nor cvs are known to be "very fast" whit big repos |
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| 15:39.28 | jaggz1 | tdn, if security doesn't matter as much you can also switch to arcfour encoding which is one of the faster encryptions |
| 15:39.44 | Dewi | inigo: what is? |
| 15:40.01 | jaggz1 | and ask in #svn if there's any way of improving its performance :) |
| 15:40.40 | tdn | jaggz1, this is already-compressed binary data that I'm committing. Would -z make any difference? |
| 15:40.56 | Dewi | tdn: how much are you adding? |
| 15:41.04 | tdn | jaggz1, security matters. I do not trust this network. |
| 15:41.16 | tdn | Dewi, few gigs at each commit. |
| 15:41.27 | mohadib | woah |
| 15:41.31 | Dewi | tdn: svn isn't really designed for committing gigabytes of binary data |
| 15:41.34 | tdn | jaggz1, tried a few times in #svn but did not get any response. |
| 15:41.38 | Dewi | tdn: it's for... diffable things like text files |
| 15:41.55 | Dewi | usually code |
| 15:42.05 | tdn | Dewi, I know, but it is extremely useful for binary data also. E.g. as a photographer it is very good for images. |
| 15:42.15 | inigo | Dewi, Git ? |
| 15:42.24 | mohadib | tdn: do you track changes? |
| 15:42.24 | inigo | mercurial ? |
| 15:42.31 | tdn | mohadib, yes. |
| 15:42.32 | Dewi | tdn: I use it for some images too... but only up to a few dozen MiB at the most at any given time |
| 15:42.53 | tdn | Dewi, hmm... so you commit each image file individually? |
| 15:43.00 | mohadib | that wont help |
| 15:43.09 | Dewi | tdn: hmm. |
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| 15:43.30 | Dewi | tdn: to be honest... with amounts of data that large... I'd have a look at rsync |
| 15:44.01 | Dewi | tdn: I know it's not really the same as having version control... but there are techniques out there to make it use hard links for files that don't change |
| 15:44.42 | Dewi | tdn: anyway, it's something to think about. I'm afraid I don't know if there are any version control systems that scale up for the kind of thing you're doing |
| 15:45.08 | Dewi | tdn: much as I love svn, it really does start to slow down markedly once you start chucking files in that measure megabytes on a regular basis |
| 15:45.09 | rootmos | having trouble booting my debian box. I use md and i did an upgrade yesterday and after that i can not boot with the latest kernel. The old works. I just get |
| 15:45.21 | rootmos | ting stuck in busybox. |
| 15:45.39 | Dewi | rootmos: did the last automatic kernel upgrade work? |
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| 15:45.57 | rootmos | Dewi: yes |
| 15:46.32 | simNIX | Dewi: rsync can be teamed up with rsnapshot - that way I can have hourly, after that weekle, monthly backups - it uses hardllinks on files not changed so its easy one file usage |
| 15:46.47 | Dewi | simNIX: yeah, I use rsnapshot |
| 15:47.03 | Dewi | simNIX: but it's very geared for interval-based backups |
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| 15:47.35 | simNIX | maybe you can do version control with http://www.alfresco.com/ ? |
| 15:47.43 | Dewi | simNIX: if you wanted to treat rsync like a version-control system, you'd do the same thing rsnapshot does (rsync combined with cp --link --archive) |
| 15:47.48 | simNIX | (not tested myself yet) |
| 15:48.11 | Dewi | simNIX: I'm just not sure I'd go as far as to recommend using the actual rsnapshot script because it is so geared to backup. |
| 15:48.12 | hoxu | How do I prevent iptables -j LOG from spamming the ttys? |
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| 15:48.48 | asg | hoxu: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 15:48.55 | Dewi | simNIX: It's my favourite backup solution at the moment though. Although I patch a couple of problems it has... |
| 15:48.57 | Bushmills | hoxu: look in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:49.06 | tdn | Dewi, hmm... |
| 15:49.16 | tdn | Dewi, why does it slow down so much on large files? |
| 15:49.25 | inigo | hoxu, if you don't want flood of messages in the tty, check /etc/sysctl.conf (kernel.printk) |
| 15:49.25 | tdn | Dewi, and can't this be tuned in some way? |
| 15:49.27 | Dewi | tdn: because it stores each file as a diff to the one before it |
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| 15:49.40 | tdn | Dewi, I really need history for files, etc. |
| 15:49.41 | Dewi | tdn: it does periodically do a full copy though |
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| 15:49.48 | Dewi | tdn: maybe you can make it do that more often, might help a bit |
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| 15:50.05 | tdn | Dewi, hmm... AFAIK it only stores text files as diffs, and bins as solid blobs. |
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| 15:50.06 | inigo | hoxu, anyway, be carefull about the LOGLEVEL, or your debian will log to 3 or 4 diferent log files, the same rules |
| 15:50.13 | Dewi | tdn: okay |
| 15:50.21 | Dewi | tdn: perhaps you are right |
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| 15:51.07 | Dewi | tdn: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 15:51.15 | hoxu | asg, Bushmills, inigo: thanks, will look at those |
| 15:51.43 | Dewi | tdn: that document describes combining 'rsync' with 'cp -al' to make a very fast hard-link-based 'versioned" |
| 15:51.47 | Dewi | style of backup |
| 15:52.03 | simNIX | Dewi: I wish the hammer filesytem would be ported to Linux |
| 15:52.14 | Dewi | simNIX: I'd like zfs |
| 15:52.20 | simNIX | it has version control build in |
| 15:52.21 | Dewi | its snapshots seem pretty lovely |
| 15:52.37 | simNIX | not tried zfs yet |
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| 15:52.51 | Dewi | tdn: obviously it's not a full VC system but it's kind of minimal and simple and fast... |
| 15:52.52 | Bushmills | nilfs2 snapshots too, and seems pretty stable. available now |
| 15:53.09 | Sysctl___ | Is libc6-xen now depricated? Can't seem to find it in Debian Etch r3 AMD64 |
| 15:53.24 | Dewi | tdn: rsnapshot is another implementation of the idea (same tools, much bigger implementation) |
| 15:53.29 | inigo | lvm snapshots ? |
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| 15:53.44 | Dewi | inigo: good point |
| 15:53.54 | Dewi | inigo: except... |
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| 15:54.18 | Dewi | inigo: they kind of need unused extents, and I'm not sure what that's gonna do if you start taking lots of them |
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| 15:55.26 | Dewi | inigo: like you can't really keep that kind of history around forever because after you take a snapshot until you delete it, the original block device isn't being touched |
| 15:55.51 | Dewi | inigo: that's one of the reasons doing it *inside* the filesystem like zfs does, opens up so many more possibilities |
| 15:56.06 | Dewi | but... I haven't used it |
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| 15:56.12 | inigo | aja... i've never touched ZFS |
| 15:56.22 | Dewi | it just seems beautiful from what I've seen people do with it |
| 15:56.48 | inigo | is in opensolaris and *bsd's, don't ? |
| 15:56.58 | Bushmills | !nilfs |
| 15:56.58 | dpkg | nilfs is, like, a log-structured file system for linux. it automatically checkpoints file changes, those can be made permanent by changing them to snapshots. nilfs has been developed bt the Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation: http://www.nilfs.org/en/about_nilfs.html |
| 15:56.59 | simNIX | FWIW: a technical description of hammer filesystem can be heard about on http://cisx1.uma.maine.edu/~wbackman/bsdtalk/bsdtalk154.mp3 |
| 15:57.32 | simNIX | sounds promising |
| 15:57.41 | Dewi | inigo: yes, not available in linux yet. People are working on it but only time will tell when anybody starts thinking of it as mature |
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| 15:58.05 | Dewi | inigo: I'm not sure what the BSD status is, I've heard of it in fbsd but unsure of the maturity |
| 15:58.14 | wols_ | Dewi: never |
| 15:58.20 | Dewi | wols_: like ntfs? |
| 15:58.25 | Dewi | wols_: that's what I fear |
| 15:58.33 | simNIX | it will be in DraganFlyBsd 2.0 only s far as I iknow |
| 15:58.38 | wols_ | the license is incompatible |
| 15:58.54 | Dewi | oh, not this again |
| 15:58.56 | wols_ | there is a usersace zfs via fuse, but that's far from usefull considering what zfs can do |
| 15:59.07 | jaggz1 | is there a "verify package files" option? |
| 15:59.12 | wols_ | jadebsums |
| 15:59.16 | wols_ | jaggz1: debsums |
| 15:59.31 | jaggz1 | thanks.. looking into it |
| 15:59.53 | Dewi | wols_: am I the only one starting to get jsut a leeetle bit tired of opensource projects squabbling over clauses in licenses? |
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| 16:00.36 | Sysctl___ | lol |
| 16:00.37 | wols_ | Dewi: yes |
| 16:00.44 | Dewi | every day I crave the simplicity of BSD more than the previous |
| 16:01.04 | wols_ | if you don't like the licenses of the software you use, get another software. end of story |
| 16:01.17 | Dewi | GPL software is so "free" you can't do anything with it anymore |
| 16:01.22 | wols_ | then use it and be happy but don't complain about lacking support |
| 16:01.29 | wols_ | Dewi: drop it |
| 16:01.35 | hoxu | inigo, it seems the right file to add "-c 2" is /etc/default/klogd and that says it's deprecated and sysctl should be used instead, perhaps the factoid should be updated? :) |
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| 16:02.10 | inigo | hoxu, look at /etc/sysctl.conf comments (kernel.printk) |
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| 16:02.39 | hoxu | inigo, there's only one comment: "Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console" but no explanation of the magic numbers :) |
| 16:02.41 | inigo | i don't control the dpkg bot database :) |
| 16:02.56 | wols_ | aabut you could edit the factoid |
| 16:02.57 | Dewi | wols_: incidentally, is NTFS more free than zfs? |
| 16:03.08 | Dewi | wols_: are you talking about copyright or patents? |
| 16:03.08 | abrotman | this is still going on ? |
| 16:03.17 | wols_ | I talk about license |
| 16:03.30 | ferra1 | hi all, it's possible virtualization of windows server with sql server for production for 7 terminals?? |
| 16:03.32 | hoxu | inigo, I added the kernel.printk comment in the factoid |
| 16:03.38 | hoxu | !klogd |
| 16:03.39 | inigo | hoxu, there will be Documentation in the kernel tree (folder Documentation, grep for printk) |
| 16:03.39 | dpkg | i heard klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng, or see /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk |
| 16:03.40 | Dewi | wols_: I was under the impression zfs was being reimplemented rather than ported |
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| 16:04.17 | Dewi | wols_: unfortunate if it's just a port |
| 16:04.46 | Dewi | wols_: so why can't it be a module? |
| 16:04.51 | hoxu | inigo, seems to be Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt |
| 16:04.52 | inigo | hoxu, anyway, sometimes that i've been flooded, i've do echo -n "0" /proc/sys/kernel/printk , and the flood stops |
| 16:05.00 | wols_ | Dewi: please stop talking to me |
| 16:05.12 | Dewi | wols_: that's easy, just don't speak |
| 16:05.19 | wols_ | puts Dewi on ignore |
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| 16:05.22 | hoxu | !marry Dewi and wols_ |
| 16:05.23 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 16:05.23 | dpkg | Dewi, do you take wols_ to be your lawfully wedded spouse? wols_, do you take Dewi? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 16:05.36 | liable | haha |
| 16:05.43 | Dewi | "wah wah, somebody trampled on my GPL" |
| 16:05.45 | liable | hasnt seen that one |
| 16:06.01 | inigo | hoxu, you have info also in man proc (/printk) |
| 16:06.16 | Dewi | it's like we all wanted to be lawyers or cult leaders instead of hackers or engineers |
| 16:06.20 | Dewi | aaanyway |
| 16:06.21 | Sysctl___ | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:06.36 | inigo | The four values in this file are console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level and default_console_loglevel |
| 16:08.32 | Sysctl___ | I love the Microsoft license the best... AYBBTU... |
| 16:08.41 | Sysctl___ | soemthing about all your bases.... |
| 16:09.01 | Dewi | Sysctl___: which one? :) |
| 16:09.03 | hoxu | hmm, what's the default iptables loglevel? |
| 16:09.11 | hoxu | if no --log-level is specified? |
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| 16:09.22 | Dewi | (that was a joke. I'm not really trying to start that topic) |
| 16:09.40 | Sysctl___ | acknowledged |
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| 16:10.48 | vadmeste | hoxu: there are also #iptables if you won't receive an answer |
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| 16:11.18 | zzzzzz | hi all, about the vulnerability in OpenSSL, can I generate a new key pair in a patched server and use it in a server running unpatched openssh-server? |
| 16:11.33 | hoxu | vadmeste, thanks, but I'm assuming it's in the manual then ;) |
| 16:11.40 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: yes, but why not patch the server ? |
| 16:12.07 | vadmeste | hoxu: should be in the manual also |
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| 16:12.48 | zzzzzz | NoxIn: if I upgrade the openssh, the host key will be changed as well. But the users would like to know the fingerprint of the new host key in the first place |
| 16:12.48 | Sling | hoxu : default is 4 |
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| 16:13.04 | Sling | from warning up until emerg |
| 16:13.06 | Dewi | zzzzzz: yes, but they can get easier to guess because you're exchanging them with keys that are known |
| 16:13.11 | hoxu | Sling, thanks |
| 16:13.16 | Sling | debug, info and notice wont be logged |
| 16:13.17 | zzzzzz | NoxIn: I am not sure why they need to know that but they have some autobuild accounts running 24x7 |
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| 16:13.28 | wols_ | zzzzzz: no it won't. unless you have a vulnerable key which means you MUST update |
| 16:14.07 | wols_ | zzzzzz: and you can update the server and then generate a key |
| 16:14.11 | wols_ | and then distribute that |
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| 16:14.14 | zzzzzz | wols_: it won't what? I am sorry |
| 16:14.23 | wols_ | no need for an external server |
| 16:14.39 | Dewi | so now wols_ isn't going to start talking over the top of me and disrupt my explanations because wols_ has me on ignore? |
| 16:14.43 | Dewi | is, rather |
| 16:14.50 | Dewi | what a waste of time this is going to be |
| 16:14.59 | Dewi | bye |
| 16:15.06 | hoxu | !next |
| 16:15.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 16:15.08 | hoxu | ;P |
| 16:15.18 | abrotman | Dewi: are you going back to RH/Fedora? :) |
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| 16:15.26 | Dewi | abrotman: heh |
| 16:15.30 | hoxu | Dewi, don't leave us, we love your ircname |
| 16:15.58 | Dewi | abrotman: maybe I'll go to BSD, where people don't start frothing at the mouth if you simply mention the very idea of letting the "unclean" code near an idealistically pure system |
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| 16:16.09 | abrotman | uh .. really. . Theo ? |
| 16:16.13 | Dewi | abrotman: oh, except that nasty penguin code. |
| 16:16.17 | liable | hah! |
| 16:16.18 | Dewi | abrotman: and the evil vendor code |
| 16:16.20 | Dewi | etc etc :) |
| 16:16.21 | inigo | wc -w /usr/share/common-licenses/{GPL-3,BSD} |
| 16:16.29 | inigo | xD |
| 16:16.40 | liable | theo invented frothing at the mouth about licenses |
| 16:16.46 | Dewi | liable: I know :) |
| 16:16.49 | hoxu | "225 words ought to be enough for any lawyer"? :P |
| 16:16.54 | Dewi | liable: well no, stallman can keep that |
| 16:17.10 | Dewi | liable: but theo is very very good at taking the simplest license in the world and still getting into fights over it |
| 16:17.13 | liable | Dewi: *BSD are just as bad |
| 16:17.14 | zzzzzz | Dewi: does this mean I shouldn't distribute the fingerprint of a host key, which is not vulnerable to the users? Because it is guessable? |
| 16:17.44 | Dewi | zzzzzz: I'm not a crypto expert, but I believe that a vulnerable host key, because it is basically known, can reveal the identity of keys you use with it |
| 16:17.48 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: ok the problem is if you change the server host key the autobuild accounts will fail to connect, so generate a new pair on another serveur... give the fingerprint to the users and then use it as host key ... then upgrade |
| 16:17.53 | liable | Dewi: see the ath5k fight because people didnt license changes to it as the bsd license. |
| 16:18.10 | liable | what a shit fight that was.. |
| 16:18.39 | zzzzzz | NoxIn: exactly... |
| 16:19.30 | zzzzzz | NoxIn: one question, I wonder why the users need to know the new fingerprint? |
| 16:19.40 | liable | zzzzzz: thats a really annoying nick to look at. it draws my whole attention of the screen to your nick. |
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| 16:20.00 | Bushmills | fights about licenses are good. it shows that people have the power to influenc licensing, and are finding it worth to fight for. |
| 16:20.16 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: when they connect their ssh client will refuse to connect because the identification of the host has chenged |
| 16:20.17 | Dewi | zzzzzz: because the fingerprint proves your server is the same one they know and love |
| 16:20.27 | trakinas | back |
| 16:20.31 | Dewi | zzzzzz: and the ssh client throws massive warnings if it changes |
| 16:20.41 | Delph | as it should do |
| 16:20.42 | Bushmills | or rather, fight about |
| 16:20.44 | Delph | is it the openssh package that actually does it |
| 16:20.46 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: if it were not checking the fingerprint their would be no use to have any keys in the first place :) |
| 16:20.52 | Delph | istr there being a different package that comes along as well |
| 16:21.02 | Delph | i don't suppose people thought about this and let you update one without pulling in the other? |
| 16:21.39 | Dewi | Bushmills: not if it's just in-fighting (where the "in" is people already using fairly good licenses) |
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| 16:23.14 | zzzzzz | Dewi + NoxIn: That being said that the users can just add the new fingerprint into the known host file, so that even if the host key's changed, the client would still acknowledge the server as which it claims to be? |
| 16:23.18 | itchi | Can someone test if blender start up in Lenny? Got error while (trying) starting it with as error http://pastebin.ca/1066794 |
| 16:23.27 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: no |
| 16:23.37 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: they must had the new one AND remove the old one |
| 16:23.48 | Dewi | zzzzzz: um, you'd have to make sure it matches the mask, and dupes might be a problem |
| 16:24.01 | zzzzzz | okay |
| 16:24.03 | Dewi | zzzzzz: then there's the whole mess of every different alternative hostname having an entry |
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| 16:24.14 | itchi | There's no bug report about this issue |
| 16:24.15 | Dewi | (and IP) |
| 16:24.16 | Bushmills | once a person or a group has gained something, they can be quite protective about it. |
| 16:24.39 | Dewi | Bushmills: yes. I understand that. |
| 16:24.56 | NoxIn | (and the fact that they are hacked so you can't remove them by hand easilly) |
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| 16:25.14 | NoxIn | (hashed) |
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| 16:25.35 | Dewi | NoxIn: the hostnames and IPs aren't |
| 16:25.52 | Dewi | NoxIn: wait, I don't know why I said that |
| 16:26.00 | NoxIn | Dewi: on etch no, on lenny yes ... |
| 16:26.04 | Dewi | NoxIn: maybe I mean "the client tells you what they are" |
| 16:26.25 | Bushmills | i think we should be glad that people aren't indifferent towards licensing, and show that even if it is by means of fighting about. |
| 16:26.33 | inigo | itchi, may be related to GL ? |
| 16:27.01 | jaggz1 | why were bbs's better than the web? |
| 16:27.04 | inigo | itchi, i haven't blender here, but may be you see a "debug" or "verbose" option if you try --help ? |
| 16:27.10 | itchi | inigo: Well i dunno, as the error is so useless. Other GL stuff work like expected |
| 16:27.40 | antgel | jaggz1: bbs's /what/? |
| 16:28.13 | NoxIn | Bushmills: those who don't care use WTFPL licence |
| 16:28.16 | zzzzzz | one more thing is that, is there any openssh blacklist that can check againts some keys with non-standard key length? eg: 1023,1025,2560,2560... |
| 16:28.28 | jaggz1 | ol' dialup bbs's |
| 16:28.36 | itchi | inigo: Even lesser usefull with the debug mode :-s http://pastebin.ca/1066800 |
| 16:28.46 | antgel | jaggz1: you missed my point. your apostrophe was feral :) |
| 16:29.00 | zzzzzz | looks like blacklist-extra only supports 1024/2048/bit DSA/RSA keys |
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| 16:29.22 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: 'blacklist' no ... but you can have a perl script generate all the 65535 possible keys to create your blacklist if you wan't |
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| 16:29.25 | Dewi | zzzzzz: there was also a perl script floating around |
| 16:29.36 | ampex | is there a way to get a serial number off of a usb storage device under linux? |
| 16:29.36 | Bushmills | also consider - isn't it mainly for questions about licensing what makes debian what it is? wasn't it for the license, there are hundreds of alternative linux distributions with less attention towards licensing issues. |
| 16:30.02 | zzzzzz | NoxIn: is that the one from metasploit? |
| 16:30.09 | itchi | inigo: hhhmm, glxinfo give a line of error and some other normal things but don't talk about the 3D thingy |
| 16:30.11 | Dewi | Bushmills: it's not the only reason |
| 16:30.31 | NoxIn | zzzzzz: don't remember where I took it (and I deleted it after) ... but maybe |
| 16:30.32 | inigo | itchi, http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13330&sid=001c3013210658d9da394f065b2ab50f ? |
| 16:30.58 | inigo | ampex, try lshw |
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| 16:31.34 | inigo | ampex, or lsusb -v |
| 16:32.04 | itchi | inigo: Should be the same fix :-) |
| 16:32.26 | ampex | inigo: lsusb -v shows the serial number, but it's not in the format I would expect, it's just a bunch of numbers (i.e. 575845313038433430343333) |
| 16:32.28 | itchi | inigo: Just that i usually pay attention to this, seems that i don't have see that update :-p |
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| 16:33.58 | epifanio | hi can no mi ricordo solo che si devono abilitare i log, ma non lo abbiamo mai fatto o me ne so scordato?! .. mo vedo di vede come si fa |
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| 16:36.43 | ampex | inigo: looks like it requires sdparm, 'sdparm --page=sn /dev/sdc' did it! |
| 16:36.45 | itchi | inigo: Fixed! Thanks, same fix as mentioned :-p WTF, how did i miss that update :-p |
| 16:36.45 | wols_ | !tell epifanio about it |
| 16:36.49 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know what KDEDIR should be set to? |
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| 16:36.55 | administrador__ | hi |
| 16:37.05 | epifanio | hopps excuseme i pasted in the wrong channell |
| 16:37.22 | inigo | ampex, cool, i didn't know that |
| 16:37.23 | tdn | Dewi, I know of snapshots with rsync. I use that for backup. I really need a version control for this :( |
| 16:37.30 | administrador__ | i have a little problem... i have a Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet and it works fine with linux 2.6.18 but when i change to 2.6.24-bigmem |
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| 16:37.39 | epifanio | i'm tring to find the download site for debian sid, have you a link ? |
| 16:37.40 | administrador__ | it doesnt recognize the ethernet device |
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| 16:37.45 | Dewi | tdn: oh, sorry. |
| 16:37.56 | inigo | itchi, give the thanks to http://goosh.org :-) |
| 16:38.06 | wols_ | epifanio: that does not exist |
| 16:38.20 | epifanio | how can install sid ? |
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| 16:38.36 | wols_ | epifanio: if you ask this you shouldn't use sid in the first place |
| 16:38.41 | wols_ | !tell epifanio about sid faq |
| 16:39.04 | inigo | administrador__, where did you take the 2.6.24 ? |
| 16:39.17 | epifanio | need i to change only the apt sources.list to have sid ? |
| 16:39.27 | jamesstanley | Yes |
| 16:39.30 | wols_ | epifanio: read the factoid and the url |
| 16:39.32 | liable | administrador__: does dmesg mention anything about it? |
| 16:39.33 | administrador__ | inigo, from the sources.list |
| 16:39.41 | epifanio | yes i'm reading |
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| 16:40.28 | inigo | administrador__, 2.6.24 is not in Debian 4 repositories |
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| 16:40.40 | administrador__ | inigo, on testing? |
| 16:40.44 | administrador__ | inigo, wait |
| 16:40.51 | wols_ | inigo: and it's in etchnhalf |
| 16:40.57 | wols_ | administrador__: it is in lenny |
| 16:41.00 | Bushmills | epifanio: you start by taking an unused computer |
| 16:41.01 | administrador__ | yes.. |
| 16:41.10 | administrador__ | i'm working in lenny |
| 16:41.25 | wols_ | inigo: it's also available from backports |
| 16:41.28 | valdyn | administrador__: how do you know that its not recongnized? |
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| 16:41.35 | inigo | bcm is supported in 2.6.24 |
| 16:41.41 | inigo | grep the config |
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| 16:42.08 | liable | suspects it now eth1 |
| 16:42.13 | administrador__ | because ifconfig eth0 up withtheip it doesnt up |
| 16:42.14 | hyppias | bootchart: I just get three log files. No picture... how come ? |
| 16:42.29 | adama | what's the CLI IM client/ |
| 16:42.30 | administrador__ | but when i run with the 2.6.18 it recognize |
| 16:42.31 | valdyn | administrador__: run "ifconfig -a" |
| 16:42.31 | adama | ? |
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| 16:42.41 | administrador__ | valdyn, it show only the loopback device |
| 16:42.50 | administrador__ | i was thinking that maybe could be a module |
| 16:42.57 | inigo | grep BCM /boot/config-2.6.blablabla |
| 16:43.05 | administrador__ | inigo, let me see |
| 16:43.10 | valdyn | administrador__: it sure is, but that module sure should be loaded automagically |
| 16:43.16 | wols_ | administrador__: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 16:43.20 | administrador__ | but on 2.6.18 the module isnt load |
| 16:43.32 | valdyn | administrador__: which module? |
| 16:43.34 | wols_ | 2.6.18 probably uses tg3 or such |
| 16:43.43 | administrador__ | CONFIG_BT_HCIBCM203X=m |
| 16:43.43 | administrador__ | CONFIG_DVB_BCM3510=m |
| 16:43.46 | abrotman | which has a blob |
| 16:43.46 | administrador__ | on 2.6.24 |
| 16:44.01 | abrotman | administrador__: grep -i tg /boot/whateverconfig |
| 16:44.03 | epifanio | already i've lenny installed, i need sid beacose i need a pckage that (cause gcc-4.3) is broken in lenny , but works in sid |
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| 16:44.18 | valdyn | epifanio: thats stupid |
| 16:44.25 | liable | !need |
| 16:44.25 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 16:44.30 | administrador__ | CONFIG_NET_PKTGEN=m |
| 16:44.30 | administrador__ | # CONFIG_SCSI_TGT is not set |
| 16:44.31 | administrador__ | # CONFIG_USB_OTG is not set |
| 16:44.31 | administrador__ | CONFIG_CRYPTO_TGR192=m |
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| 16:44.31 | wols_ | epifanio: there are more broken packages in sid than lenny |
| 16:44.35 | Bushmills | epifanio: the etch package is probably not broekn |
| 16:44.37 | valdyn | epifanio: ask for the real problem's solution, not how to fuck up your system by using sid |
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| 16:44.42 | administrador__ | sorry |
| 16:44.44 | administrador__ | sorry.. |
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| 16:44.46 | chops | epifanio: What package is broken? |
| 16:44.51 | epifanio | mapserver |
| 16:45.16 | administrador__ | ok.. on both kernels have the same config for BCM and for tg |
| 16:45.16 | chops | epifanio: I would recommend upgrading just that single package (and any dependencies) to the sid version, and then removing sid from sources.list again |
| 16:45.24 | Bushmills | epifanio: wait a few days. try again. maybe it is fixed by then |
| 16:45.43 | chops | epifanio: Upgrading your whole system to sid to address that single package is probably not a good way to go |
| 16:45.47 | Bushmills | chops: risky - dependencies ... |
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| 16:46.14 | administrador__ | mmm i found it!! |
| 16:46.19 | chops | Bushmills: Running stable that's a terrible idea. Running lenny it makes sense to me -- even if he winds up upgrading to the sid libc6 or something, it'll catch up before too long. |
| 16:46.33 | chops | Bushmills: (testing will catch up to sid that is) |
| 16:46.36 | administrador__ | i found big diff on BCM config |
| 16:46.42 | valdyn | chops: thats only half the problem really, catching up |
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| 16:47.14 | epifanio | ok i agree, thanks for the suggestion, i'll installing only mapserv from sid , i'll try to download the .deb without change the repository |
| 16:47.32 | valdyn | !info mapserver |
| 16:47.37 | chops | epifanio: You can change the repository, aptitude update, aptitude install mapserv, then remove the sid repository and aptitude update again |
| 16:47.37 | valdyn | duh |
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| 16:47.48 | administrador__ | BCM43XX is for wireless... |
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| 16:48.01 | chops | epifanio: That'll be easier than downloading the .deb, and also show you precisely what's going to get upgraded to sid, so you can make the determination if it's worth it |
| 16:48.07 | epifanio | chops: ok :-) |
| 16:48.08 | administrador__ | i dont have anything to do with my Ethernet device right? |
| 16:48.22 | Bushmills | !info cgi-mapserver |
| 16:48.24 | dpkg | cgi-mapserver: (CGI executable for MapServer), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 489 kB, Installed size: 1349 kB |
| 16:48.25 | chops | epifanio: If it winds up upgrading libc6, you might want to think twice. If it winds up upgrading all of gnome, you might want to think several times before continuing. |
| 16:48.34 | valdyn | administrador__: except that it is from the same chip brand |
| 16:48.45 | inigo | administrador__, dmesg | grep eth ?? |
| 16:48.54 | inigo | modprobe -v tg3 ?? |
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| 16:49.58 | administrador__ | ok i have to reboot |
| 16:50.02 | administrador__ | to try.. |
| 16:50.14 | inigo | ok |
| 16:50.16 | valdyn | administrador__: no, why? |
| 16:50.26 | administrador__ | because i'm running the kernel |
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| 16:50.29 | administrador__ | 2.6.18 |
| 16:50.31 | aidy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.34 | valdyn | administrador__: ah, ok |
| 16:50.48 | valdyn | administrador__: then why did you tell me that your ifconfig -a showed only lo? |
| 16:50.52 | antgel | aidy: what? |
| 16:51.07 | administrador__ | because i try that before... |
| 16:51.07 | inigo | aidy, ls /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 16:51.13 | aidy | antgel: i want to know the status of the /etc/init.d scripts |
| 16:51.26 | abrotman | aidy: you mean like the application in RH/fedora? |
| 16:51.30 | aidy | inigo: ah ty |
| 16:51.32 | valdyn | administrador__: including the -a? |
| 16:51.33 | antgel | aidy: they don't have "status", do you mean you want to see what's running? |
| 16:51.34 | aidy | abrotman: ? |
| 16:51.40 | aidy | antgel: yes |
| 16:51.45 | administrador__ | valdyn, nop let me see |
| 16:51.51 | antgel | aidy: man ps, man top |
| 16:51.51 | valdyn | administrador__: geez |
| 16:52.04 | inigo | aidy, some of the /etc/init.d/* scripts implements [status] as $1 |
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| 16:52.16 | valdyn | administrador__: go reboot and try it, or the dmesg, both will most likely be equivalent in their usefulness |
| 16:52.18 | inigo | /etc/init.d/foo status |
| 16:52.26 | administrador__ | ok |
| 16:52.37 | antgel | inigo: i don't think that's what he was asking though |
| 16:52.58 | inigo | "i want to know the status of the /etc/init.d scripts" jeje |
| 16:53.01 | aidy | antgel: no i don't mean processes |
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| 16:53.22 | inigo | anyway, ps axf makes a tree from init (1) |
| 16:53.42 | antgel | inigo: your point? a script doesn't have "status" any more than a tree has a nose |
| 16:53.57 | aidy | inigo: is there nothing like the gentoo equivalent of rc-status list? that displays all the init scripts with 'stopped' 'started' etc. next to them |
| 16:54.01 | valdyn | aidy: init.d scripts are defined by doing something at a specific point in the boot process |
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| 16:54.10 | valdyn | aidy: you cannot generically check their status |
| 16:55.12 | aidy | valdyn: great. |
| 16:56.02 | valdyn | aidy: thats because some dont have a status or because their status is pointless, so you really want to know something else i guess |
| 16:56.11 | inigo | a runlevel editor ? |
| 16:56.22 | aidy | ok here's the deal: |
| 16:56.24 | abrotman | rcconf, update-rc.d .. but still not what he's after |
| 16:56.35 | abrotman | wants four aces! |
| 16:56.42 | aidy | i'm working in a debian chroot, and have mounted /dev with bind and proc and sysfs |
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| 16:57.15 | aidy | now, when you go installing stuff with apt-get, some init scripts are started, which keep hold of /dev etc. so you can't unmount them |
| 16:57.46 | valdyn | aidy: that should be rare, but its possible |
| 16:57.58 | abrotman | aidy: do you have an example? |
| 16:58.05 | inigo | yes i have see that |
| 16:58.06 | aidy | hald and the like |
| 16:58.20 | antgel | but why would you want to unmount them? |
| 16:58.34 | antgel | until you have finished in the chroot, anyway |
| 16:58.37 | aidy | antgel: because i'm making a squashfs image of it |
| 16:58.48 | valdyn | aidy: run "fuser /dev" as root |
| 16:58.54 | aidy | and i could miss some useless files |
| 16:59.03 | chops | aidy: There's a correct way to handle that situation, one sec |
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| 16:59.44 | valdyn | i very much doubt that debian chroot systems will act nicely by default, only some services do |
| 16:59.46 | aidy | valdyn: i got /dev unmounted now but fuser /proc doesn't do anything |
| 16:59.49 | valdyn | like udev - it does |
| 17:00.11 | valdyn | aidy: or lsof /proc |
| 17:00.34 | aidy | valdyn: ah nice |
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| 17:02.29 | KammyDoe | Why does my PPC iBook running Debian sometimes boot up with wireless not working? |
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| 17:03.04 | aidy | valdyn: although that lists processes from outside the chroot too |
| 17:03.10 | liable | KammyDoe: check dmesg for errors |
| 17:03.17 | chops | aidy: Apparently you need to create a /usr/bin/policy-rc.d script that just returns an exit status of 101 |
| 17:03.21 | KammyDoe | Rebooted to OS X. *Damm* |
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| 17:03.23 | chops | aidy: In the chroot |
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| 17:03.49 | chops | aidy: That will prevent init scripts from being executed when packages are installed |
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| 17:03.55 | KammyDoe | ALso |
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| 17:04.05 | KammyDoe | How can I stop debian from connecting to a network at boot? |
| 17:04.12 | chops | aidy: See invoke-rc.d(8), section "INIT SCRIPT POLICY" |
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| 17:04.24 | adama | how can I use the FAM to watch files being written to? |
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| 17:04.32 | inigo | chops, cool |
| 17:04.36 | aidy | chops: just #!/bin/bash return 101? |
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| 17:04.59 | inigo | aidy, return should work into a function |
| 17:05.04 | chops | aidy: I would use 'exit 101' on the second line of the script, but yes |
| 17:05.35 | chops | aidy: See how that works for you. This is all from reading the docs (and having a vague idea that what you're trying to do is possible), not from personal experience, mind you. |
| 17:05.47 | inigo | yes, exit 101 avoid the use of a function |
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| 17:05.55 | aidy | okay thanks a lot! |
| 17:06.01 | chops | aidy: np |
| 17:06.24 | chops | KammyDoe: Just don't have automatic network interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:06.31 | chops | KammyDoe: Though you will want loopback |
| 17:08.01 | KammyDoe | ? |
| 17:09.00 | adama | you want to disable automatic starting of a network interface KammyDoe? |
| 17:09.14 | valdyn | adama: you wouldnt use fam for that at all |
| 17:09.42 | adama | valdyn: wha t would I use? Isn't fam = File alteration monitor? |
| 17:09.43 | KammyDoe | adama; yes |
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| 17:10.08 | valdyn | adama: for all i know, all interfaces to fam require you to code |
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| 17:10.21 | adama | KammyDoe: edit the file /etc/network/interfaces , and remove or comment out the line for example "eth0 auto" |
| 17:11.01 | valdyn | adama: maybe iwatch can do what you want |
| 17:11.33 | valdyn | adama: fam is an implementation of the backend of what you want, its not a program for users directly |
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| 17:12.33 | adama | valdyn: i know, I was looking for something that uses it, to watch what files are modified (hopefully also what preocess modified it) |
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| 17:13.04 | adama | !fam |
| 17:13.04 | dpkg | somebody said fam was a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | adama: anything that uses inotify would do, you dont want fam |
| 17:13.18 | dandre | hello, |
| 17:13.25 | adama | oh |
| 17:13.29 | adama | !inotify |
| 17:13.29 | dpkg | A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >= 2.6.13 -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/, or used by Beagle (a desktop search infrastructure), Gamin (a FAM replacement), and other projects. |
| 17:13.29 | valdyn | adama: i mean, you dont want fam specifically |
| 17:13.49 | dandre | I am trying to debianize some package and I get this error: |
| 17:13.50 | dandre | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 17:14.07 | valdyn | adama: maybe inotify-tools |
| 17:14.42 | itguru | DAMN YOU, fetchmail!! This is really doing my head in - It's pulling mail down from a POP box for the domain, it's also delivering the mail to the correct internal mail server, it's just removing the TO information - how do I stop this from happening? |
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| 17:15.37 | dandre | how can I get rid of this? |
| 17:15.37 | streuner_ | hm, the sound doesn't work |
| 17:15.47 | streuner_ | dandre: of what? |
| 17:15.52 | dandre | I have deleted several files does it matter? |
| 17:16.02 | streuner_ | depends |
| 17:16.04 | dandre | I am trying to debianize some package and I get this error: |
| 17:16.04 | dandre | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 17:16.15 | adama | thanks valdyn I'll track something down here |
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| 17:16.39 | streuner_ | debianize packages, are the 15.000 packages on the mirrors not enough? |
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| 17:17.04 | inigo | dandre, This error is caused when the package was improperly cleaned up. |
| 17:17.36 | inigo | have you try previously and failed ? |
| 17:17.44 | dandre | I have no clean target is that the reason? |
| 17:18.15 | inigo | may be |
| 17:18.25 | dandre | ok I'll try, thanks |
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| 17:19.00 | _FoxM_ | Hi! does anyone know how to change the UI language of iceweasel? I tried installing one of the the iceweasel-l10n-* packages and changed the locale preferences of iceweasel in about:config but still... does not change a thing... |
| 17:19.02 | streuner_ | does somebody use snd_hda_intel use with an 2.6.15 official kernel? |
| 17:19.45 | inigo | streuner, official == vanilla ? |
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| 17:20.23 | streuner_ | debian |
| 17:20.40 | abrotman | a .15 kernel ? |
| 17:20.43 | inigo | streuner, regardless of the kernel version... which sound card is ? |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | no version of debian has a .15 |
| 17:20.55 | Carbon_life | What's the package name for subversion server? |
| 17:20.58 | streuner_ | abrotman: sorry. 2.6.25 |
| 17:21.27 | abrotman | Carbon_life: apt-cache search subversion |
| 17:21.34 | inigo | i have to compile latest alsa on my imac whit some parameters in the ./configure to get the snd_hda_intel working |
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| 17:22.07 | inigo | streuner, what problem do you have ? |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | streuner_: i've seen plenty of people in here say certain models work .. maybe ask #alsa ? |
| 17:22.14 | Carbon_life | abrotman: I guess I'm just confused. Is the package `subversion` for both the server and the client? |
| 17:22.16 | streuner_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | Carbon_life: IIRC, yes |
| 17:22.25 | Carbon_life | Ok |
| 17:22.28 | Carbon_life | Thanks |
| 17:22.43 | streuner_ | abrotman: crap, the .24 kernel works just fine.. |
| 17:22.43 | abrotman | Carbon_life: apt-cache show subversion .. implies yes |
| 17:22.53 | Carbon_life | alright, thank you |
| 17:23.04 | streuner_ | abrotman: seems rather like a bug |
| 17:24.05 | webPragmatist | hey is there a program that does batch video watermarking... (or video processing of similar sorts?)... I want to be able to have a user upload an image and have it add a watermark to the video |
| 17:24.05 | streuner_ | just looks at BTS |
| 17:24.18 | inigo | streuner_, the module is loaded and the sound seems to work ok but doesn't sound anything ? |
| 17:24.33 | webPragmatist | er upload avideo* |
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| 17:25.00 | streuner_ | no sound at all |
| 17:25.54 | Nyle | streuner_, you have a sound problem? |
| 17:26.05 | inigo | streuner, but alsaconf works ok, and audio software doesn't fail about lack of devices ? |
| 17:26.11 | streuner_ | yes |
| 17:26.12 | Nyle | webPragmatist, kino (not sure about batch) |
| 17:26.24 | Nyle | streuner_, and you're actually asking for help in #debian? |
| 17:26.44 | streuner_ | Nyle: plenty of people do |
| 17:26.49 | Nyle | I'm sorry that comes as a shock tome |
| 17:26.54 | webPragmatist | Nyle: it's command line? |
| 17:26.55 | Nyle | because you usually know a lot |
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| 17:27.11 | Nyle | I'm just surprised that YOU are asking for help :) |
| 17:27.19 | Sebby | wich version of pgtcl is the best to compile on DEBIAN? and what`s the difference between etch, sid , lenny |
| 17:27.21 | Nyle | I've seen seen you ask for help before in here in years |
| 17:27.23 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:27.34 | inigo | streuner_, I have a similar problem whit my imac, and the trick is to compile latest alsa whit myu current kernel headers |
| 17:27.41 | Nyle | pokes streuner_ |
| 17:27.46 | Nyle | good luck buddy |
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| 17:27.56 | streuner_ | see Nyle |
| 17:28.08 | Nyle | what do i see? |
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| 17:28.34 | streuner_ | similar problem, and he verified my plans (compile) |
| 17:28.36 | liable | a kick in the nuts |
| 17:28.46 | Nyle | liable, you evil man |
| 17:28.48 | Nyle | go away |
| 17:28.51 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 17:28.55 | Nyle | stay away from my testicles.! |
| 17:29.12 | inigo | somebody has a valid recipe for preseed a software raid1 + LVM installation ussing the etch d-i? |
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| 17:29.35 | adama | !testicles |
| 17:29.35 | dpkg | DUDE YOU'RE NUTZ! |
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| 17:30.04 | Nyle | I had this dude in highschool, his name was Terry Estes. When they gave him a school based email address/login, it was first initial lastname @ school.com |
| 17:30.04 | antgel | s/'RE/R/ |
| 17:30.16 | adama | my bot says testicles is hercules' sweaty cousin |
| 17:30.21 | adama | nice :) |
| 17:30.23 | Nyle | so effectively.. his email address was 'testes@schoo.com' |
| 17:30.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:31.24 | Nyle | inigo, check debian-administration.org |
| 17:31.35 | Nyle | I think they have etch tutorials for sw RAID setup |
| 17:31.46 | inigo | preseeded ? |
| 17:31.50 | Nyle | not sure |
| 17:31.55 | Nyle | try anyway |
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| 17:32.11 | inigo | i have check apendix b, wiki.debian, debian-administrration, mailing lists... |
| 17:32.21 | Nyle | !preseed |
| 17:32.22 | dpkg | somebody said preseed was a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:32.30 | inigo | I can do or software raid, or lvm (preseed) |
| 17:32.42 | Nyle | i've never myself done it |
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| 17:32.47 | inigo | but i can't get the bot working in a recipe |
| 17:32.49 | Nyle | so I know nothing of raid underlinux |
| 17:32.54 | Nyle | never setup one up in linux |
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| 17:33.44 | Nyle | man why is it so fucking hot! |
| 17:33.48 | Nyle | turns the AC up |
| 17:34.10 | inigo | i'm searching a recipe for: sda1+sdb1(md0) ext3 (boot) and sda2+sdb2(md1) lvm (rest whit lv's) |
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| 17:35.16 | inigo | i have read and test a lot, but i can't get working any try |
| 17:35.18 | _FoxM_ | Hi! does anyone know how to change the UI language of iceweasel? I tried installing one of the the iceweasel-l10n-* packages and changed the locale preferences of iceweasel in about:config but still... does not change a thing... |
| 17:35.19 | n3kl | inigo: looks like you have your recipe. |
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| 17:36.13 | chops | _FoxM_: Not sure how it works, but what it _should_ do is base the language on the $LANG environment variable |
| 17:36.35 | n3kl | indI have a mdadm+lvm+luks+xfs system setup now that works pretty well |
| 17:36.52 | inigo | _FoxM_, i never touched the about:config locales, and it works fine with -l10n-es-es |
| 17:37.24 | inigo | n3kl, manual installation or do you use preseed ? |
| 17:37.33 | n3kl | oh, manual |
| 17:38.00 | n3kl | Though I am working on fai |
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| 17:38.41 | Nyle | fai? |
| 17:38.47 | inigo | i'm starting to think about do the preseed only with the software raid, and then use the late-command to launch a script that makes the lvm |
| 17:38.50 | Nyle | !fai |
| 17:38.51 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 17:38.53 | n3kl | !fai |
| 17:38.55 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:38.59 | n3kl | Argh |
| 17:39.04 | Nyle | !lost n3kl |
| 17:39.08 | n3kl | I am on the slowest link possible |
| 17:39.09 | Nyle | !lose n3kl |
| 17:39.10 | dpkg | n3kl: You Lose. |
| 17:39.19 | inigo | jeje |
| 17:39.22 | Nyle | !ping |
| 17:39.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:39.24 | _FoxM_ | chops: Thanks... is $LANG an user or a system variable? because debian was installed in english, but kde-l10n-es works perfectly, not so for iceweasel. I do not want to change the system language, just the interface |
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| 17:40.38 | chops | _FoxM_: Just the Iceweasel interface, you mean? Not all your other applications? |
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| 17:41.19 | chops | _FoxM_: What does this command do to the IW language? LANG=ES_es iceweasel |
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| 17:42.17 | solemnwarning | Do POSIX ACLs support inheritance like NTFS ACLs? |
| 17:42.30 | inigo | _FoxM_, strace -o log.log iceweasel && grep LC log.log |
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| 17:42.38 | thecre80r | hai guyz! how do i comment out random number generator :P |
| 17:42.40 | simonrvn | _FoxM_: both, it can be set from/in either environment |
| 17:43.02 | _FoxM_ | chops: The system is in english for most users, but one of them wants it in spanish, I installed kde in spanish and works fine, but iceweasel does not want to change the language |
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| 17:43.30 | chops | _FoxM_: For that user you should change $LANG from his .bash_profile (or whatever) |
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| 17:43.43 | _FoxM_ | let me see about the LANG variable |
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| 17:43.47 | ihmSelbst | hi |
| 17:43.48 | chops | _FoxM_: That will change Iceweasel (hopefully) and also his other applications without affecting other users on the system |
| 17:44.09 | chops | _FoxM_: (Assuming you've got that locale set up and the appropriate -l10n packages installed for software that needs them) |
| 17:44.21 | rwaite | apt is spunkier than dpkg |
| 17:44.48 | SPF | Where can I find my usb printer port adres? |
| 17:45.04 | inigo | lsusb ? |
| 17:45.18 | inigo | local usb port ? |
| 17:45.22 | ihmSelbst | i have installed a raidcontroller and want to install lenny there. but i can in the installation not choose any option like 'raid'.. i can see only the 4 hdds with â 10 gig.. when i choose one of the discs then he will formating it to 10 gb, not up to 40.. is it normaly? |
| 17:45.37 | SPF | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port |
| 17:45.46 | justin | ihmSelbst: what? |
| 17:45.49 | SPF | 0x067b should be fine? I tried |
| 17:46.04 | justin | SPF: huh? |
| 17:46.11 | inigo | SPF, lsusb -v will be more verbose about data description |
| 17:46.23 | antgel | ihmSelbst: the installer has option for software raid |
| 17:46.36 | _FoxM_ | chops: LANG=es_ES iceweasel works properly. The user does not use the shell at all, so I guess there is no problem to add it to the .bash_profile |
| 17:46.43 | inigo | ihmSelbst, if the raid controller is supported, you have to configure the array on the contorller BIOS |
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| 17:46.58 | _FoxM_ | chops: Thanks a lot, to you and to all the others who helped ^_^ |
| 17:46.59 | chops | _FoxM_: Excellent |
| 17:47.02 | chops | _FoxM_: np |
| 17:47.02 | antgel | or just use software raid |
| 17:47.05 | KammyDoe | brb |
| 17:47.36 | xingu | these shuttles are well tidy inside; most impressed. |
| 17:48.17 | justin | SPF: are you trying to print or something else? |
| 17:48.50 | SPF | justin: no, I want to control I/O using the printer port |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | _FoxM_: you could also change the launcher i believe |
| 17:49.10 | SPF | just figuring out where the adres is |
| 17:49.26 | justin | SPF: /proc/ioports maybe? |
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| 17:49.54 | trakinas | how to use dpkg -P ? |
| 17:50.03 | justin | trakinas: dpkg -P package |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | trakinas: man dpkg .. dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 17:50.20 | antgel | how to use man? |
| 17:50.31 | abrotman | man man! |
| 17:50.34 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: sounds like you dont have a raid controller |
| 17:50.42 | trakinas | i keep getting the default msg... :| |
| 17:50.46 | antgel | always with the smart answers |
| 17:50.47 | trakinas | i will re-read the man |
| 17:50.51 | abrotman | trakinas: the what? |
| 17:50.55 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: but you still can configure software raid from the debian installer |
| 17:51.05 | SPF | justin: looks like interesting info, but I don't see a connection to my printer port device |
| 17:51.10 | trakinas | type dpkg -P with no parameters and you will see what I mean. |
| 17:51.18 | ihmSelbst | valdyn, in the raid-bios i can change stripping or mirroring... that's must be an raidcontroller |
| 17:51.28 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: no, not at all |
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| 17:51.36 | ihmSelbst | sil 0680 |
| 17:51.36 | justin | SPF: does it have a parpo.. line? |
| 17:51.42 | ihmSelbst | silicon image |
| 17:51.53 | wols_ | ihmSelbst: it's not |
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| 17:52.12 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: your controller can load the mbr from its "raid", but its not a raid controller |
| 17:52.23 | wols_ | ihmSelbst: the BIOS has software (which doesn't work inside linux) that fakes a raid controller |
| 17:52.44 | valdyn | wols_: that sounds weird too |
| 17:52.57 | wols_ | valdyn: it can even work as a raid controller in a way. but only via BIOS code. which no modern OS will use except for initially loading the kernel |
| 17:52.57 | SPF | justin: no |
| 17:53.07 | valdyn | wols_: right, ok. |
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| 17:53.32 | abrotman | ihmSelbst: a 'fakeraid' controller isn't a real raid controller .. Windows uses a driver to interface with the controller to appear as a raid device, but the OS does the work, not the controller .. IIRC |
| 17:53.42 | wols_ | and of course with BIOS only code you'd be limited to 16MB/s PUO mode for each channel. good luck getting any raid performance when any hdd can do 70MB/s |
| 17:53.51 | ihmSelbst | :/ |
| 17:53.53 | ihmSelbst | wtf |
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| 17:54.06 | abrotman | yay winraid (a la windmodems) |
| 17:54.09 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: you probably only payed around 50$ for this thing |
| 17:54.14 | trakinas | what am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.us/?show=m1e250921 |
| 17:54.21 | wols_ | ihmSelbst: rule of thumb: either you pay a few hundred bucks for the controller or it's no raid |
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| 17:54.34 | ihmSelbst | hm... okay :D |
| 17:54.36 | abrotman | trakinas: you're asking #debian about ubuntu .. that's a bad start |
| 17:54.44 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: software raid also is not worse than hardware raid, its just different |
| 17:54.46 | trakinas | abrotman: haahah |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | not funny |
| 17:54.57 | trakinas | abrotman: apt is the same tool, though |
| 17:54.58 | valdyn | ihmSelbst: both has advantages and issues |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | trakinas: please go to #ubuntu or ##linux for support |
| 17:55.00 | sly007 | Hello, I have two computers, one with Debian, the other with Mac OS, configured with DHCP on my network. How do I make them communicate? I cannot edit the /etc/hosts since their IP is not fixed. What solutions do I have? |
| 17:55.03 | wols_ | trakinas: what you are doing wrong is asking in the wrong channel. go to #ubuntu |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | trakinas: they gave your apt .. we did not .. ask them |
| 17:55.21 | justin | trakinas: dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 17:55.21 | ihmSelbst | but i can install lenny on it ?! O_o |
| 17:55.36 | wols_ | sly007: a decent dhcp server handles DNS for you as well |
| 17:55.37 | valdyn | sly007: make your dhcp server hand out fixed ips addresses |
| 17:55.37 | trakinas | justin: thank you. |
| 17:55.45 | wols_ | sly007: also DHCP can assign IPs based on MAC |
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| 17:55.49 | trakinas | will keep asking to no one at ubuntu then... |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | then try ##linux |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | #debian does not support Debian-derived distros .. if you persist, you can be banned |
| 17:56.27 | wols_ | sly007: ehat exactly is your DHCP server? |
| 17:56.28 | trakinas | abrotman: ok. thanks |
| 17:56.43 | sly007 | wols_: you mean I should asked the DHCP server to give fixed IP adress and then edit /etc/hosts so that I can call them by a name instead of an IP? |
| 17:56.52 | sly007 | wols_: it's my isp router |
| 17:57.16 | justin | sly007: just use mdns |
| 17:57.17 | valdyn | sly007: your cheap isp router might not have that feature |
| 17:57.18 | sly007 | but i think i can configure it to give fixed ip address to given MAC address. At least I hope so... :( |
| 17:57.24 | valdyn | sly007: might just aswell not use dhcp at al |
| 17:57.25 | valdyn | sly007: might just aswell not use dhcp at all |
| 17:57.28 | wols_ | sly007: no. my DHCP server also provides DNS for example. it hands me a IP which is not fixed and puts that IP in its internal DNS cache which acts as DNS for the whole network |
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| 17:57.36 | wols_ | so my IP might change but the name always stays the same |
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| 17:58.21 | wols_ | sly007: so what is your DHCP server? |
| 17:58.47 | sly007 | wols_: it's from my isp router and I don't know what they are using inside |
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| 18:05.43 | xingu | sly007: libnss-mdns might help too, not that I've ever used it ;) |
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| 18:07.52 | inigo | is /dev/urandom available on all debian archs ? |
| 18:07.56 | sly007 | apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.9-5) but 2.2.9-4 is installed. When is 2.2.9-5 gonna be out? |
| 18:08.59 | abrotman | eh? |
| 18:09.02 | abrotman | are you on lenny? |
| 18:09.08 | sly007 | on sid |
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| 18:09.16 | abrotman | !info apache2-mpm-worker sid |
| 18:09.20 | inigo | sly007, 2.2.9-5 is in sid |
| 18:09.29 | abrotman | sly007: x86/amd64 ? |
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| 18:09.35 | sly007 | amd64 |
| 18:09.43 | dpkg | apache2-mpm-worker: (Apache HTTP Server - high speed threaded model), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 516 kB |
| 18:09.47 | inigo | on some days/weeks it will be on lenny |
| 18:09.49 | abrotman | sly007: it will be there when it builds correctly |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | at least you're not m68k .. stuck on -2 :) |
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| 18:10.26 | sly007 | dpkg says it is in sid? |
| 18:10.27 | dpkg | sly007: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=apache2&ver=2.2.9-5&arch=amd64&stamp=1215464372&file=log |
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| 18:10.36 | abrotman | i'd guess it's soon |
| 18:10.45 | abrotman | sly007: the bot references i386 .. not amd64 |
| 18:10.53 | inigo | o true |
| 18:11.31 | inigo | it isn't in alpha, amd64, m68k and s390 |
| 18:11.32 | SPF | justin: any more suggestions? |
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| 18:13.17 | sly007 | so what can I do to install apache2 ? |
| 18:13.31 | sly007 | just wait for the coming out of 2.2.9_5 ? |
| 18:14.19 | justin | sly007: apt-get install apache2? |
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| 18:14.58 | sly007 | i don't understand why aptitude and apt-get have different behavior as regards package dependency |
| 18:15.10 | justin | sly007: because they are different tools |
| 18:15.26 | sly007 | why are two tools included in he distributioN? |
| 18:15.39 | justin | why not? |
| 18:15.55 | sly007 | it might confuse people |
| 18:16.06 | inigo | sly007, there are more than two :) |
| 18:16.14 | abrotman | it's a dependency .. you don't have an option |
| 18:16.24 | sly007 | what is the debian recommanded one? |
| 18:16.25 | abrotman | sly007: alterately .. try a different worker model |
| 18:16.40 | inigo | i think that aptitude is recomended in the reference guide |
| 18:16.46 | avu | !why aptitude |
| 18:16.47 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 18:16.59 | inigo | prefork isn't in 2.2.9-5 |
| 18:17.11 | inigo | i think that all come from the same source ? |
| 18:17.19 | sly007 | if 2.2.9-5 is needed, i don't understand why other tool may allow the installation of apache2 |
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| 18:17.24 | inigo | all mpms ? |
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| 18:18.22 | inigo | is needed or recomended or depends or provided by? |
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| 18:18.58 | inigo | yes, all mpm packages comes from the same source |
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| 18:19.46 | sly007 | I believe debian should only be providing one high-level package management tool. If aptitude is better, then apt-get should disappear. |
| 18:20.13 | wols_ | sly007: /msg dpkg why aptitude /msg dpkg why apt-get |
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| 18:20.55 | streuner_ | brb, reboot... |
| 18:20.56 | Sascha_Ortmann | i can't write on patition, "mount: blockorientiertes Gerät /dev/hda4 ist schreibgeschützt, wird eingehängt im Nur-Lese-Modus" what that meen? |
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| 18:21.06 | sly007 | sly007: why apt-get |
| 18:21.06 | sly007 | [20:20] dpkg: i haven't a clue, sly007 |
| 18:21.09 | sly007 | see!! |
| 18:21.13 | sly007 | I was right |
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| 18:21.18 | sly007 | no need for apt-get |
| 18:21.26 | wols_ | Sascha_Ortmann: more info needed |
| 18:21.38 | wols_ | sly007: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 18:21.50 | wols_ | !tell sly007 about better |
| 18:22.15 | wols_ | Sascha_Ortmann: for example if a filesystem is unclean it might get mounted ro. what filesystem type is it? |
| 18:22.15 | ukmnh | Sascha_Ortmann: what is the file system type? |
| 18:22.39 | Sascha_Ortmann | ext3 |
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| 18:22.50 | christianp | hi all |
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| 18:23.01 | wols_ | Sascha_Ortmann: unmount it and fsck it |
| 18:23.08 | fbc | Anyone know of a utility that will ping then optionally portscan for a desired network range? I need to keep tabs on my local networks machines, etc. |
| 18:23.16 | Sascha_Ortmann | how can I do this? |
| 18:23.26 | wols_ | !tell Sascha_Ortmann about grounding |
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| 18:23.49 | wols_ | fbc: not a job for a portscanner. use netstat |
| 18:23.49 | christianp | i'm trying to do something like: locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, "en_US.UTF-8") in a python shell but i obtain: locale.Error: unsupported locale setting |
| 18:24.01 | christianp | hoew can i make this locale supported? |
| 18:24.04 | wols_ | !tell christianp about locales |
| 18:24.05 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: that device is write protected |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: not the filesystem |
| 18:24.17 | peterS | fbc: sounds like you want 'apt-cache search network port scan' |
| 18:24.17 | wols_ | valdyn: a hdd that is? |
| 18:24.28 | valdyn | wols_: sure |
| 18:24.35 | wols_ | valdyn: when does this happen? |
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| 18:24.46 | valdyn | wols_: its a firmware feature, see hdparm |
| 18:25.03 | fbc | wols_, peterS , I think NMAP is what I'm looking for,, I need to manage my local network, |
| 18:25.20 | peterS | nmap is certainly one option. but as apt-cache notes, there are quite a few others |
| 18:25.23 | christianp | thasnks wols_ |
| 18:25.26 | fbc | wols_, peterS , HAve you guys had any experience with it? |
| 18:25.29 | valdyn | wols_: its also a bug related to usb storage, but this hda4 doesnt look like that |
| 18:25.37 | peterS | nmap works fine |
| 18:25.44 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 18:25.45 | wols_ | !tell fbc about anyone |
| 18:25.54 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please look up the mx for harddisk.is-a-geek.org |
| 18:26.03 | HardDisk_WP | and send a mail to marco@harddisk.is-a-geek.org? |
| 18:26.11 | peterS | aspmx.l.google.com |
| 18:26.12 | HardDisk_WP | i want to find out if google apps successfully took over |
| 18:26.17 | HardDisk_WP | great :) |
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| 18:28.28 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: whats the output of "hdparm -W /dev/hda" ? |
| 18:28.48 | Sascha_Ortmann | -W: missing value (0/1) |
| 18:28.58 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: ops |
| 18:29.05 | Sascha_Ortmann | np |
| 18:29.06 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: i gave the wrong command too, hold on |
| 18:29.32 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: "hdparm -r /dev/hda" |
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| 18:30.09 | Nyle | dyndns is awesome |
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| 18:30.20 | Nyle | I acquired letme.getmyip.com |
| 18:30.21 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:30.59 | vchrizz | where do i see actual current disk io? |
| 18:31.00 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, is-a-geek.org is too hard to type |
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| 18:31.02 | Sascha_Ortmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.14 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, too many freakin hyphens.. try a diff dyndns, something easier |
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| 18:31.40 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, also had stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 18:31.41 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: ok, thats not your error then |
| 18:31.47 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, too late ^^ i use it for everything now, that's why I needed to check |
| 18:31.48 | Nyle | etc. etc. (easy to type ones are cool) |
| 18:31.50 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: what about "ls -l /dev/hda4" |
| 18:31.52 | Nyle | ahh |
| 18:31.58 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, how you want me to email? |
| 18:32.08 | Nyle | gmail? |
| 18:32.15 | Nyle | thats only email i got |
| 18:32.31 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 18:32.45 | HardDisk_WP | no matter what, I only need to verify that stuff is working^ |
| 18:32.47 | javatexan | I cant get the net install iso to boot on my machine, it says I dont have a math coproc......now what? |
| 18:32.56 | chops | javatexan: What machine do you have? |
| 18:33.07 | Nyle | No MX records found for harddisk.is-a-geek.org |
| 18:33.08 | valdyn | javatexan: what is your cpu? |
| 18:34.23 | javatexan | its a SOC RISC pretending to be a 486 but it doesnt have the coproc....its a vortexSX86 from http://www.vortex86sx.com/default.htm |
| 18:34.26 | Sascha_Ortmann | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 4 2008-07-09 15:37 /dev/hda4 |
| 18:34.40 | valdyn | javatexan: you cant run modern debian on that |
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| 18:35.11 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 18:35.12 | Nyle | whats up |
| 18:35.25 | Nyle | how can I convert an .eps (extended post script) to jpeg? |
| 18:35.35 | chops | Nyle: imagemagick might be able to |
| 18:35.46 | Nyle | encapsulated( |
| 18:35.50 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:35.57 | javatexan | why not, its i386 minus the coproc....is there a way to recompile kernel to emulate coproc? |
| 18:35.57 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, strange...other email comes in |
| 18:36.04 | valdyn | Sascha_Ortmann: thats good too, no idea why it else is write protected |
| 18:36.05 | inigo | valdyn, but he can do things using modern software on that |
| 18:36.17 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, mh...can you try a mx lookup on your home machine, please? |
| 18:36.21 | valdyn | inigo: he can do WHAT? |
| 18:36.25 | HardDisk_WP | and how do I do it myself?^^ |
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| 18:36.33 | inigo | i have here a 486sx @ 4mb running 2.6.25 + busybox + minicom |
| 18:36.39 | valdyn | inigo: so? |
| 18:36.39 | inigo | a terminal :)ç |
| 18:36.46 | valdyn | inigo: you have an fpu |
| 18:36.57 | Sascha_Ortmann | mmm, the system frose, i restart it, and after that it was write protected |
| 18:37.00 | inigo | there is a option in the kernel to emulate |
| 18:37.07 | javatexan | inigo: how did you do it |
| 18:37.14 | javatexan | :) |
| 18:37.26 | HardDisk_WP | Sascha_Ortmann, fsck -Crf /dev/partition |
| 18:37.28 | maligor | Nyle, you need a ps renderer |
| 18:37.32 | inigo | javatexan, getting out everything of the kernel |
| 18:37.32 | maligor | like ghostscript |
| 18:37.44 | valdyn | inigo: is that on in debian though? |
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| 18:38.03 | inigo | javatexan, then getting out everithing of busybox |
| 18:38.10 | Sascha_Ortmann | I'm running fsck /dev/partition what make crf? |
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| 18:38.21 | javatexan | okay |
| 18:38.34 | inigo | javatexan, and then comenting out 4 lines of minicom.c (to don't check about the user) and making a static binary |
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| 18:39.09 | Nyle | cool |
| 18:39.11 | javatexan | inigo: that sounds easy...LOL |
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| 18:39.40 | dancek | Hi, is there an official way to install .debs in my home directory? (I've done aptitude download + ar + tar by hand) |
| 18:39.47 | Nyle | gs -sDEVICE=jpeg -dJPEGQ=100 -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -r300 -sOutputFile=temp_converted.jpg Genadyne\ Logo\ Yellow\ Eclipse.eps |
| 18:39.48 | valdyn | dancek: no |
| 18:39.51 | Nyle | btw |
| 18:39.55 | dancek | valdyn, kthx |
| 18:39.57 | Nyle | gs can do it |
| 18:40.06 | Nyle | whoever said imagemagick, I didn't try imagemagick |
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| 18:40.13 | Nyle | so still dunno if it works |
| 18:40.19 | justin | convert would just call gs to do that most likely |
| 18:40.24 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:40.27 | Nyle | probably |
| 18:40.38 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, could you imagine what causes, that you cant send me mail, but youtube and some other guy can? |
| 18:40.45 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, hang on |
| 18:40.53 | Thoku | Hi all. I'm a gentoo convert but have been having issues getting my working gentoo samba configs to work on Debian |
| 18:40.55 | HardDisk_WP | and why one of five mx lookups reports No MX foudn? |
| 18:40.57 | Thoku | any suggestions? |
| 18:41.08 | inigo | javatexan, i don't know if its "easy", but its "fun"... now i manage my servers from a 486 laptop serial port :) (a poorman kvm) |
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| 18:41.16 | justin | yep, it runs mostly the same command |
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| 18:41.40 | justin | inigo: no, it's a poor mans terminal server |
| 18:41.41 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: dns is out of whack |
| 18:41.46 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, I sent the email |
| 18:41.50 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, that means?^^ |
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| 18:41.56 | Nyle | justin, cool |
| 18:41.57 | Sascha_Ortmann | yes, I hope to that it helps, after fsck i run fsck -crf too |
| 18:42.07 | HardDisk_WP | Sascha_Ortmann, -C |
| 18:42.09 | HardDisk_WP | not -c |
| 18:42.22 | Sascha_Ortmann | ok |
| 18:42.29 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, my email get to you? |
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| 18:42.36 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, should be from a gmail acount |
| 18:42.44 | Nyle | don't say my email in public or i'll kill you |
| 18:42.49 | Nyle | love you thanks ;) |
| 18:42.58 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, you begin with a***? |
| 18:43.01 | Nyle | yessir |
| 18:43.03 | justin | Nyle: don't say you'll kill someone in public :-P |
| 18:43.10 | Nyle | hehe j/k |
| 18:43.30 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, great :) |
| 18:43.35 | HardDisk_WP | GA rulez :D |
| 18:43.37 | Nyle | yay it works |
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| 18:43.57 | Nyle | why is this dumbass admin saving graphics in eps format |
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| 18:44.06 | Nyle | moron, what if I wasn't around |
| 18:44.20 | Nyle | the design deciding powers CANNOT convert this |
| 18:44.31 | Nyle | writes an angry email to the designer |
| 18:45.11 | Nyle | consluting is not easy work |
| 18:45.13 | Nyle | :( |
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| 18:46.10 | ffm | Hey. I generated a DSA key with gnupg in january, is it vulnerable? |
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| 18:47.28 | adama | ffm: check with ssh-vulnkey |
| 18:48.01 | kommodore | Nyle: eps is good. |
| 18:48.09 | Nyle | I don't disagree |
| 18:48.20 | adama | but I'd say "most likely" if you had a reasonably new version of openssl at the time |
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| 18:50.39 | simonrvn | encapsulated postscript... wth is wrong with that? |
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| 18:52.35 | peanuter | hello. I have a vps that i am using for openvpn. when applying an iptable for masquerading my connection I got this error. modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.9-023stab046.2-smp/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
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| 18:56.43 | ffm | adama: GPG. |
| 18:56.46 | ffm | adama: not ssh. |
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| 18:58.05 | Nyle | simonrvn, nothing |
| 18:58.08 | iNToIT | sup? |
| 18:58.22 | Nyle | simonrvn, just that they called me at home, woke me up, and said check your email, please convert this file and send back |
| 18:58.34 | Nyle | simonrvn, because the designer saved in .eps, the manages were unable to open the file |
| 18:58.39 | Nyle | THATS whats wrong with it :) |
| 18:58.47 | iNToIT | good |
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| 18:59.52 | simonrvn | they're dumbasses then |
| 18:59.54 | Nyle | I just asked him to provide a png or jpeg as well no big deal |
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| 19:00.00 | Nyle | simonrvn, management usually are dumbasse |
| 19:00.06 | Nyle | they are not techs |
| 19:00.08 | colulu | could someone help me with a NAT question? |
| 19:00.08 | ph8 | hi all -> E: Unmet dependencies. Try âapt-get -f installâ with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 19:00.08 | ph8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.19 | Nyle | !tell colulu -about ask |
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| 19:00.45 | slobad23 | im a linux newbie - i want to go with one of the longer running distros like slackware or debian - what should i be looking at to decide which one would be better for me? |
| 19:00.47 | colulu | i am using ADSL + a rounter to build my little lab |
| 19:00.49 | Nyle | ph8, use aptitude |
| 19:01.00 | ph8 | from the command line? |
| 19:01.03 | Nyle | ph8, aptitude -f install |
| 19:01.04 | Nyle | first |
| 19:01.05 | Nyle | yes |
| 19:01.11 | ph8 | :o |
| 19:01.13 | Nyle | !tell ph8 -about why aptitude |
| 19:01.14 | slobad23 | a friend of mine who uses slackware, sas that people who tell me slackware is too hard for newbies is lieing |
| 19:01.14 | ph8 | what's the difference? |
| 19:01.16 | ph8 | thx :p |
| 19:01.18 | Nyle | sure |
| 19:01.20 | colulu | the problem is when internal to the lan, when I have a client sends a udp packet to another computer though the public IP address |
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| 19:01.37 | colulu | the packet does not get delivered to the server and wireshark shows Fragmented Packet |
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| 19:01.53 | colulu | is this something that can be resolved or not? |
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| 19:02.14 | colulu | for the same packet, If I send through the lan address, than it is fine |
| 19:02.15 | Nyle | slobad23, ask in ##linux |
| 19:02.24 | slobad23 | thanks nyle |
| 19:02.26 | Nyle | slobad23, /msg dpkg ig /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:02.27 | colulu | I have a TP-link router |
| 19:02.30 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 19:02.47 | Nyle | colulu, I don't know. |
| 19:03.07 | colulu | but I still thank you |
| 19:03.22 | Nyle | slobad23, I would of course suggest debian (ovbious reasons) |
| 19:03.35 | Nyle | slobad23, I swear by debian, I worship it, I wish debian could have my children |
| 19:03.45 | Nyle | I'd like to put my dick in debian thats how good it is |
| 19:03.59 | Nyle | slackware I used years ago, and well I don't know how it is now |
| 19:04.13 | Nyle | it used to be pretty ok when I used it |
| 19:04.49 | n3kl | Nyle: slackware will definately make you learn about your system |
| 19:05.00 | debian | looks at nyle with a wink |
| 19:05.04 | Nyle | I learn enough with debian and openbsd |
| 19:05.07 | Nyle | debian, ! |
| 19:05.08 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 19:05.09 | Nyle | omg |
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| 19:05.14 | peanuter | :) |
| 19:05.14 | Nyle | c'mere girl |
| 19:05.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:05.46 | n3kl | imho, slackware is way too time consuming |
| 19:05.53 | Nyle | no |
| 19:05.54 | Nyle | yes |
| 19:05.56 | Nyle | it is |
| 19:06.02 | Nyle | the most I think would be gentoo |
| 19:06.02 | peanuter | the bsd's are far to time consuming :) |
| 19:06.07 | Nyle | nah |
| 19:06.11 | Nyle | not once you get used to it |
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| 19:06.32 | n3kl | I don't know about open, but freebsd is not toomuch to manage |
| 19:06.38 | Nyle | plus its good to run unix and linux side by side, then you can say, FUCK you linux lover, and FUCK you unix lover, they are both good! |
| 19:06.41 | Nyle | or soemthing |
| 19:06.43 | abrotman | really? |
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| 19:06.46 | peanuter | i ran openbsd as my desktop os for 3 years |
| 19:06.48 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ? |
| 19:07.01 | peanuter | ummm |
| 19:07.21 | peanuter | hrm |
| 19:07.21 | Sascha_Ortmann_ | thanks to everybody, i will test some thinks, and than report |
| 19:07.49 | docmax | hello got a problem with nfs |
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| 19:08.15 | docmax | i usually mount a nfs location (nslu2:/mnt/HD) |
| 19:08.39 | docmax | this /mnt/HD also gets mountet with a removable device |
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| 19:09.03 | docmax | when removing this device nfs gets trouble |
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| 19:09.12 | docmax | how can i fix that? |
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| 19:12.29 | peanuter | is it possible to modify the kernel of a vps? |
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| 19:12.36 | c0mrade | ye |
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| 19:12.47 | Nazcafan_ | hi |
| 19:12.53 | peanuter | hi Nazcafan_ |
| 19:13.22 | Nazcafan_ | is there a way to tell synaptic to use official repository and not debian multimedia for certain packages? |
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| 19:13.26 | avu | peanuter, depends on what exactly you mean by 'vps'. |
| 19:13.47 | c0mrade | virtual private server like rapidvps offers I guess |
| 19:13.48 | avu | peanuter, (or better said, on the virtualization solution in use) |
| 19:13.52 | c0mrade | I'm using one at this moment |
| 19:13.59 | avu | c0mrade, yeah, I knew that much :) |
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| 19:14.14 | c0mrade | sorry to interrupt avu :P |
| 19:14.30 | avu | peanuter, but in most cases, the answer is 'no' |
| 19:14.40 | avu | peanuter, or, better 'not without access to the host system' |
| 19:14.55 | avu | peanuter, which, for the normal commercial offering, means 'no' :) |
| 19:15.47 | grand_grunt | while compiling a driver, I got "/usr/bin/ld: can not find -lxml" Which package should I install? |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | libxml-dev ? |
| 19:15.57 | BeteNoire | hi, when trying to install w32codecs i always get the message: No candidate version found for w32codecs |
| 19:15.58 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 19:16.05 | BeteNoire | what is wrong? |
| 19:16.07 | avu | peanuter, with most vps solutions, you do not even have your own kernel running, you're sharing one with all the instances on that machine |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | !tell BeteNoire about w32codecs |
| 19:16.13 | valdyn | grand_grunt: a driver would hardly link against libxml, what is this really? |
| 19:16.28 | mancubus | !tell w32codecs |
| 19:16.39 | avu | mancubus, /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 19:16.45 | grand_grunt | abrotman: Thanks |
| 19:16.46 | avu | mancubus, if you want to know the factoid, too |
| 19:16.55 | grand_grunt | valdyn: A Canon driver for MP160 printer.. |
| 19:16.59 | mancubus | avu: thnx |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | grand_grunt: ah, printers, ok |
| 19:17.14 | BeteNoire | abrotman: got the message, but it solves nothing |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | do you have the debian-multimedia sources? |
| 19:17.30 | abrotman | did you run aptitude update after adding them? |
| 19:17.56 | BeteNoire | yes |
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| 19:18.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:18.11 | abrotman | show us the sources.list |
| 19:18.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:18.22 | abrotman | dpkg: you're lagging |
| 19:18.22 | dpkg | abrotman: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 19:19.06 | BeteNoire | abrotman: http://wklej.org/id/93a40400b5 |
| 19:19.25 | KammyDoe | !paste |
| 19:19.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:19.27 | KammyDoe | Hm |
| 19:19.41 | abrotman | BeteNoire: you can take out the backports line .. they're usually made from lenny packages anyways |
| 19:20.03 | abrotman | BeteNoire: which architecture ? |
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| 19:20.49 | abrotman | waits ... |
| 19:20.53 | BeteNoire | its pentium III |
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| 19:21.49 | Nach | Has something recently changed about the auth log? It seems to not be working anymore. This is what I have: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2008-06-29 06:47 /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:22.00 | abrotman | BeteNoire: apt-cache policy w32codecs .. does it return anything ? |
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| 19:23.22 | BeteNoire | abrotman: http://wklej.org/id/8010c0412a |
| 19:23.55 | abrotman | you have pinning working against you |
| 19:24.05 | n3kl | How can I tell which repo wil be used to install a package? |
| 19:24.12 | abrotman | BeteNoire: if you're like me and you're really lazy .. you'll just wget the package and dpkg -i the .deb |
| 19:24.28 | Bushmills | n3kl: apt-cache policy |
| 19:24.38 | Nach | Is there any way for me to turn the auth log back on? |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | and they have scores |
| 19:24.44 | BeteNoire | abrotman: what is the reason of this? |
| 19:25.01 | abrotman | BeteNoire: do you have a /etc/apt/apt_preferences ? |
| 19:25.18 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 19:25.23 | abrotman | /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 19:25.58 | n3kl | Bushmills: I knew that, thanks |
| 19:26.17 | BeteNoire | abrotman: yes |
| 19:26.19 | Bushmills | so why did you ask then? |
| 19:26.30 | abrotman | BeteNoire: can you paste it ? |
| 19:26.36 | n3kl | Bushmills: cause I needed a reminder |
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| 19:26.49 | Tramp | Nach: what does "lsof /var/log/auth.log" show? |
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| 19:27.11 | n3kl | Bushmills: that was a genuine "thank you", not a smartass "thank you" |
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| 19:27.44 | BeteNoire | abrotman: http://wklej.org/id/9244035376 (i've found it in howto for installing flashplugin-nonfree, as well as backports line) |
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| 19:28.22 | abrotman | BeteNoire: you have it pinned to -1 .. which IIRC makes it uninstalable |
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| 19:30.25 | Nach | Tramp: syslogd 2441 root 2w REG 8,3 0 7833976 /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:31.05 | BeteNoire | erm... so what do i do? |
| 19:31.35 | KammyDoe | will brb |
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| 19:31.52 | Tramp | Nach: hmm. looks good to me. Why do you think it does not work? |
| 19:32.09 | Nach | Tramp: it's 0 size, and I have no current info |
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| 19:32.54 | Tramp | Nach: and what do you expect? Do you have ssh logins which should be logged? |
| 19:33.02 | Nach | Tramp: yes |
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| 19:33.36 | Nach | Tramp: "grep sshd /var/log/auth.log.0" always shows me stuff |
| 19:33.51 | Nach | generally about 500 break in attempts, and a dozen valid logins |
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| 19:34.35 | Tramp | Nach: try the following: logger -p auth.info 'Testing' - doest it show up in the log? |
| 19:34.38 | emilbarton | Hi everyone, I juste bought a new 64 bit cpu and I wonder if I can still boot with my old distro for a 32bit or if I have to reinstall everything |
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| 19:35.07 | Baloo | emilbarton: Boot |
| 19:35.20 | Nach | Tramp: it's still -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2008-06-29 06:47 /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:36.19 | Tramp | Nach: grep auth.log /etc/syslog.conf |
| 19:36.42 | emilbarton | Baloo: Ok I could try but If I have to install a new kernel I'll better do it before, and what for the appl: would they work ok? |
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| 19:37.18 | Baloo | emilbarton: If you're just going to replace a 32-bit kernel with a 64-bit one, I don't think that's going to work... |
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| 19:37.39 | Nyle | emilbarton, no need for a new kernel |
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| 19:37.56 | Baloo | I'd keep using your 32 bit environment until you have a need for 64 bit, then worry about moving to a 64-bit environment. |
| 19:38.00 | Nyle | emilbarton, amd/intel cpus will work with i386 kernel |
| 19:38.48 | BeteNoire | abrotman: /etc/apt/preferences seems to be not needed at all, so installation of w32codecs completes, thanks for the clue |
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| 19:39.12 | emilbarton | Nyle: is it the same for the application, what about the c: will I be able to take advantage of the 64 cpu without reinstalling glibc etc? |
| 19:39.32 | Nyle | no |
| 19:39.49 | Nyle | you would require a 64bit kernel |
| 19:40.04 | Nyle | you can keep your 32bit userland if you wish |
| 19:40.19 | emilbarton | Nyle Ok then, what if I just change the kernel and keep the rest? |
| 19:40.20 | Nach | Tramp: auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:40.28 | Nyle | ^^ |
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| 19:41.37 | emilbarton | Nyle for example if the size of my long is 2 bytes now, will this change under a 64 kernel? |
| 19:41.57 | Tramp | Nach: Strange. And other logs (notably messages) are working fine? |
| 19:41.59 | Nyle | yes |
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| 19:42.27 | Nyle | longs/poniters/blahblahblah all 64bit wide |
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| 19:42.35 | Nach | Tramp: I think so, although dmesg now looks very different |
| 19:43.36 | emilbarton | so in this case why does the debian have a special 64 bits distro when they could just change the kernel? |
| 19:43.36 | Tramp | Nach: well, dmesg has nothing to do with syslogging. What I mean is, do other logs have recent stuff? |
| 19:43.44 | Nach | Tramp: what's a good log to check? |
| 19:43.49 | Nyle | emilbarton, the amd64 port's packages are optimized |
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| 19:44.15 | Nyle | The AMD64 port is thoroughly 64bit, allowing the user to benefit from all advantages this architecture has compared to i386 |
| 19:44.16 | Nach | My Xorg.0.log seems to be working |
| 19:44.30 | justin | Nyle: what advantages are those? :) |
| 19:44.31 | emilbarton | Nyle: and for intel? no optimization? |
| 19:44.36 | Tramp | Nach: well, that's also something different - does /var/log/messages have recent stuff? |
| 19:44.42 | Nyle | 16 general purpose registers in the CPU instead of 8 |
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| 19:44.55 | Nyle | etc.etc. |
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| 19:45.05 | pickcoder | emilbarton: amd64 supports em64t.. same thing |
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| 19:45.29 | Nyle | Debian/AMD64 consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. |
| 19:45.34 | Nach | Tramp: that has stuff two minutes old |
| 19:45.57 | Nyle | justin, a few |
| 19:46.04 | Nyle | I remember peterS explaining them to me last year |
| 19:46.06 | Nyle | I forgot :( |
| 19:46.11 | Nyle | I used to smoke pot back then :( |
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| 19:46.32 | johannesh | Evening, I would like to know whether there is a tool I can use in a terminal to retrieve human readable information about the running computer's specs? Thanks in advance. |
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| 19:46.53 | chops | johannesh: There are a ton. What information in particular are you interested in? |
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| 19:47.06 | chops | johannesh: cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /proc/meminfo, lspci, lsusb |
| 19:47.09 | Tramp | Nach: Hmm. weird. No idea what's wrong. I'd recommend a "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart". Then test again with the "logger ...." line I gave above if aut- logging works. |
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| 19:47.12 | \amethyst | dmidecode |
| 19:47.15 | chops | johannesh: openipmi on a lot of Dell hardware |
| 19:47.16 | emilbarton | Nyle : what's the meaning of "a common 64bit user space" please? |
| 19:47.20 | Nyle | justin, obviously memory limitations of 32bit not applying, no mem segmentation, gcc optimization for sse2 |
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| 19:47.28 | johannesh | chops: Informations about the CPU, the Mainbord and the RAM, etc. |
| 19:47.36 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 19:47.42 | chops | johannesh: That'd be /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/meminfo, and lspci first |
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| 19:47.43 | johannesh | chops: Thank you! : ) |
| 19:48.01 | \amethyst | johannesh: also dmidecode for things like the motherboard manufacturer |
| 19:48.04 | pickcoder | dmidecode will tell you a bit more |
| 19:48.08 | spoontastic | johannesh, there is also a GUI version called sysinfo |
| 19:48.17 | \amethyst | lspci will tell you the chipset but not the manufacturer |
| 19:48.17 | pickcoder | \amethyst: and slot usages |
| 19:48.27 | emilbarton | Nyle ok then a 32 bit gcc will not work as well as gcc should in a 64 bits environment, true? |
| 19:48.29 | pickcoder | for memory and expansion slots |
| 19:48.36 | Nach | Tramp: restarted worked, "sshd[14424]: Accepted password for Nach from 127.0.0.1 port 59228 ssh2", thank you |
| 19:48.38 | ggdG | After udating openssh openssl libssl etc for the random seed problem ssh-vulnkey still keeps telling me all keys I generate are compromised. Any suggestions? |
| 19:48.44 | grul | how do you check if your harddrive has any bad blocks? |
| 19:48.50 | chops | grul: badblocks |
| 19:48.54 | grul | thanks |
| 19:49.05 | Tramp | Nach: ok then. Weird stuff. But syslogd is a weird daemon anyways. |
| 19:49.06 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 19:49.07 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 19:49.10 | johannesh | Thank you too! Making notes now ; ) |
| 19:49.15 | chops | ggdG: All new keys you generate? Are you sure you're not accidentally testing older keys? How are you generating them? |
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| 19:49.35 | spoontastic | dpkg: you heard wrong |
| 19:49.36 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 19:49.36 | ggdG | chops: with ssh-keygen |
| 19:49.40 | Nyle | emilbarton, sure |
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| 19:50.11 | ggdG | chops: after deleting the old ones btw |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | how did dpkg hear wrong? |
| 19:50.24 | lucia_ | hello how can I burn, .wmv videos to a dvd and play them in my home dvd?¿ |
| 19:50.29 | spoontastic | oh, I misread it, never mind |
| 19:50.30 | lucia_ | any software to do it. please |
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| 19:50.52 | emilbarton | Nyle: ok so I have to reinstall -- many thanks everyone! bye! |
| 19:50.54 | chops | ggdG: Not sure what to tell you, then :-( |
| 19:51.06 | ggdG | chops: thanks anyway |
| 19:51.18 | Nyle | emma, hang on |
| 19:51.19 | Nyle | er.. |
| 19:51.20 | Nyle | nm |
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| 19:51.30 | Nyle | didn't anyone tell him to use 32bit and not worry about switching to amd64? |
| 19:51.51 | wols_ | grul: smartmontools |
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| 19:52.03 | xlq | How can I use APT without an Internet connection? |
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| 19:52.12 | abrotman | apt can use CDs |
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| 19:52.15 | xlq | And also, without Synaptic |
| 19:52.16 | wols_ | !tell xlq about apt-zip |
| 19:52.28 | Nyle | or DVD! |
| 19:52.29 | wols_ | xlq: or use it via cds. man sources.list |
| 19:52.37 | xlq | or usb stick |
| 19:52.44 | Nyle | sure |
| 19:53.01 | woden1 | anyone know how to fix this apt-get update error? http://paste.debian.net/10492/ |
| 19:53.01 | Nyle | xlq, whats going on btw? |
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| 19:53.34 | dmn__ | hello |
| 19:53.47 | Nyle | woden1, try to change your mirror and try again? |
| 19:53.55 | dmn__ | i've got smth strange on my router: 8 root 15 -5 0 0 0 R 100 0.0 246:02.28 ksoftirqd/2 |
| 19:54.19 | dmn__ | how can I find out what is it doing and why other cores are idle? |
| 19:54.21 | Nyle | (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. ??? the fuck? |
| 19:54.28 | woden1 | Nyle: I tried that this morning and it didn't help I got the same error. I tried with german and belgium mirrors. |
| 19:55.03 | woden1 | Nyle: Yea. I have no clue. |
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| 19:56.21 | abrotman | woden1: do you have a bzip2 on your system ? |
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| 19:56.44 | Nyle | bzip2 returns an error code then it means its isntalled? |
| 19:56.46 | Nyle | no? |
| 19:56.48 | woden1 | abrotman: i need to check because i don't know |
| 19:56.59 | Nyle | woden1, apt-cache policy bzip2/ |
| 19:57.01 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:57.47 | woden1 | abrotman: yes it says bzip2 version 1.0.5-0.1 |
| 19:58.25 | woden1 | Nyle: bzip2: |
| 19:58.25 | woden1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.43 | Nyle | yeh its not a bzip2 issue |
| 19:58.54 | Nyle | woden1, try ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 19:59.25 | woden1 | ok |
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| 20:00.37 | abrotman | md5sum it .. maybe corrupted ? |
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| 20:01.31 | sohmestra | why is it that debian is still using the gnome print ui from 2.18, when all the other components are gnome 2.22? |
| 20:01.40 | sohmestra | in lenny |
| 20:01.56 | chops | Nyle: I would investigate those bzip2 files you're getting. I would say there's a slight possibility that they contain HTML from your router's or your ISP's transparent proxy trying to do something clever. |
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| 20:04.23 | woden1 | chops: its my system thats doing that. Nyle was trying to help me figure out what the problem is. |
| 20:04.39 | chops | woden1: Ah, I see |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | he could wget them manually and try to bunzip them himself |
| 20:05.38 | chops | woden1: Yes, what abrotman said |
| 20:06.50 | woden1 | i don't know how to do that right away. what is the wget command for these? |
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| 20:10.08 | Nyle | chops, probably |
| 20:10.18 | Nyle | chops, I didn't think of that could be a possibility |
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| 20:10.47 | dancek | I'd like to use the same conffiles on three different hosts. What would be the easiest way to keep them in sync? I've used unison before but it's not as suitable for three hosts. |
| 20:11.21 | pickcoder | looks like the package files are null |
| 20:11.26 | pickcoder | I'd try another mirror |
| 20:11.31 | simonrvn | um... what's it called, cfengine? there's another i think |
| 20:11.37 | justin | simonrvn: puppet? |
| 20:11.47 | simonrvn | for conf syncing? |
| 20:11.55 | justin | csync? |
| 20:11.58 | simonrvn | oh yes |
| 20:12.03 | justin | cfengine and puppet do more than sync though |
| 20:12.09 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:12.58 | woden1 | Nyle: I changed my sources.list to ftp.us.debian.org and here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/10496/ |
| 20:13.04 | dancek | hmm, thanks, gotta look into it |
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| 20:13.51 | Nyle | woden1, you are not going through a proxy are you? |
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| 20:14.24 | vjoe | hello |
| 20:14.28 | Nyle | hi |
| 20:16.38 | woden1 | Nyle: No I'm not as far as I know |
| 20:16.58 | woden1 | is there a way to tell? |
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| 20:17.19 | woden1 | Could my key be messed up? |
| 20:17.41 | Nyle | wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/non-free/source/Sources.bz2 |
| 20:17.43 | Nyle | etc.etc. |
| 20:17.49 | Nyle | and do as suggestd previously by others |
| 20:17.51 | pickcoder | woden1: if you've gotten a key error before then it could be key-related |
| 20:17.52 | ravn | hi guys: is there any program that can probe the screen resolutions and set this in the appropriate X-conf files automatically? |
| 20:18.04 | Nyle | ravn, xrandr |
| 20:18.13 | Nyle | !tell ravn -about xrandr |
| 20:18.21 | Eulex | ravn, not program, but a good Xorg driver is supposed to do that |
| 20:18.30 | woden1 | pickcoder: I don't remember ever having a key error? |
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| 20:18.50 | Eulex | Nyle, uh, what use is hard-coding auto-detected video modes? or listing already hard-coded video modes? |
| 20:18.54 | Nyle | woden1, its not a key related issue |
| 20:19.33 | woden1 | I wonder if it's my fucked up internet connection here in Iraq |
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| 20:19.38 | Nyle | Eulex, latter. list them, put em in xorg.conf yourself |
| 20:19.46 | Nyle | otherwise there is no way that I know of, not anymore. |
| 20:20.49 | ravn | Nyle: does not seem to detect all the available ones, and how to make it write to the conf-file? |
| 20:21.05 | pickcoder | woden1: have you done an apt update lately? |
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| 20:21.45 | woden1 | Nyle: So what is this "GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2" |
| 20:22.03 | woden1 | pickcoder: yes here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/10496/ |
| 20:22.16 | Nyle | woden1, I didn't see that |
| 20:22.52 | woden1 | so how do I fix it? |
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| 20:28.36 | Bushmills | i added a factoid for the dsa1603 sec adv, with a link to test the dns one is using. can't add that to topic, maybe an op wants to add dsa1603 factoid |
| 20:28.55 | Nyle | !dsa1603 |
| 20:28.56 | dpkg | [dsa1603] structural dns design flaw. the end of the world is near, unless dns updated. test the dns you're suing here: http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 20:29.05 | Nyle | suing |
| 20:29.38 | Nyle | dpkg dsa1603=~ s/suing/using/ |
| 20:29.38 | dpkg | Nyle: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:29.41 | Nyle | argh |
| 20:29.42 | woden1 | Is this a normal apt-key list? http://paste.debian.net/10500/ |
| 20:29.54 | Bushmills | oh. yes. use. and if broken, sue |
| 20:29.54 | \amethyst | dpkg, dsa1603 =~ s/sui/usi/ |
| 20:29.54 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 20:29.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:29.59 | \amethyst | I don't know if it was the space or the comma |
| 20:30.02 | \amethyst | maybe both |
| 20:30.18 | Nyle | space |
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| 20:30.30 | \amethyst | ah, makes sense, vaguely |
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| 20:31.05 | Bushmills | fixed |
| 20:31.22 | streuner | Bushmills: just ask abrotman about |
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| 20:31.30 | BlueBeret | hi |
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| 20:32.19 | mns | I've got a bunch of themes in /usr/share/themes and I'd like to see what they look like. Is there some utility I can use that will show me that ? I do not use GNOME/KDE, I am just using X11/vtwm. |
| 20:32.23 | BlueBeret | I have just bought a new computer and installed my old hard drive in there. should Debian be able to handle the migration, or is a re-install preferred? |
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| 20:32.52 | rahul | BlueBeret: as long as your kernel is not specific to just that one old computer, it'll be fine |
| 20:33.04 | amphi | mns: themes for what? |
| 20:33.08 | Nyle | rahooligan |
| 20:33.09 | BlueBeret | I actually did that, and it ended in kernel panic |
| 20:33.17 | BlueBeret | apparently the kernel couldn't find the root partition |
| 20:33.29 | Nyle | did you say root=/blahblah |
| 20:33.35 | BlueBeret | yes |
| 20:33.36 | rahul | BlueBeret: ok, maybe the name of the device changed |
| 20:33.43 | BlueBeret | that is very possible |
| 20:33.56 | rahul | maybe it's root=/dev/sdb1 now instead of sda1 |
| 20:34.03 | BlueBeret | it used to be hda |
| 20:34.22 | rahul | BlueBeret: and is it still on PATA, primary master? |
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| 20:34.25 | Joelito | Hi all, I got a few questions, in gnome there's gnome-mount and gnome-volume-manager, what's the equivalent in KDE? |
| 20:34.32 | mns | amphi: Well there are things like Clearlooks and Nuvola and Lush and some Xfce themes. I believe these are just GTK themes. |
| 20:34.34 | BlueBeret | rahul: yes, although on a different position on the cable. |
| 20:34.40 | BlueBeret | but the BIOS sees it right. |
| 20:34.54 | pickcoder | woden1: I've had GPG errors before and it was normally due to network problems or a bad key |
| 20:34.55 | amphi | mns: gtk-chtheme |
| 20:34.57 | rahul | BlueBeret: hmm, look at the output from the kernel and see what is detected by it |
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| 20:35.07 | BlueBeret | I have a single IDE cable with an old hard drive and DVD burner |
| 20:35.16 | streuner | Bushmills: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 20:35.22 | woden1 | pickcoder: how do I verify my key? |
| 20:35.31 | pickcoder | no clue |
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| 20:35.40 | BlueBeret | the new computer has a larger case and ships with a shorter (Ultra ATA) cable, so I plugged the slave (DVD) to the end where normally the master would be |
| 20:35.48 | pickcoder | I normally try another mirror |
| 20:35.50 | BlueBeret | setting the jumper appropriately |
| 20:35.56 | pickcoder | try mirrors.kernel.org |
| 20:35.59 | streuner | Bushmills: and catch some OP if he is available, but please don't use !op blah blah, because its make all of them awake... |
| 20:36.06 | woden1 | pickcoder: got a suggestion? I'm in Iraq. Which mirror should I use? |
| 20:36.12 | BlueBeret | then on Debian Install CD it showed the drive as /dev/hde |
| 20:36.29 | BlueBeret | and the optical drive as /dev/hdf |
| 20:36.36 | Bushmills | streuner: i'm not going to chase any op, i said what i had to and that;s it :) |
| 20:36.42 | streuner | Bushmills: or, just join #debian-ops and tell about |
| 20:37.12 | pickcoder | woden1: wgetting the file is probably the only way to determine if a proxy is screwing up the transfer |
| 20:37.13 | Nyle | just hilight stew or don with the message, if they want they'll add when they get on |
| 20:37.16 | Nyle | other than that |
| 20:37.17 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 20:37.18 | pickcoder | (as suggested before) |
| 20:37.19 | mns | BlueBeret, you should use the Install CD to get a shell and mount the hard drive and modify /etc/fstab. |
| 20:37.29 | BlueBeret | mns: good idea |
| 20:37.32 | abrotman | really .. it was on slashdot and a DSA .. and affects everyone running bind9(and was known about months ago) .. if you run a dns server.. you should already know |
| 20:37.33 | woden1 | pickcoder: how do I do the wget? what is the command? |
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| 20:37.38 | pickcoder | wget |
| 20:38.01 | pickcoder | it's not a required package |
| 20:38.03 | mns | Other then that, the Debian kernel is general enough that for most things it should work. |
| 20:38.16 | woden1 | pickcoder: just type wget at the terminal? |
| 20:38.18 | streuner | abrotman: do you really read ./ ? |
| 20:38.30 | pickcoder | woden1: wget <url> |
| 20:38.31 | BlueBeret | mns: but the bootstrap didn't even reach the mountfs script. it just kernel panicked |
| 20:38.52 | Bushmills | !dsa1603 |
| 20:38.52 | dpkg | well, dsa1603 is structural dns design flaw. the end of the world is near, unless dns updated. test the dns you're using here: http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | streuner: FSVO read .. like many other news aggregators ... |
| 20:38.56 | woden1 | pickcoder: I figured as much. What is the <url>? That's the part I don't understand. |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | streuner: think of it more as a "I can skim all this junk in 20 seconds" :) |
| 20:39.31 | pickcoder | Nyle posted a url for the Sources.gz |
| 20:39.54 | Nyle | url is in your error logs |
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| 20:41.50 | woden1 | pickcoder: ok so I did the wget. now what do I do? |
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| 20:42.30 | pickcoder | try uncompressing it? |
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| 20:43.02 | Decepticon | is ther a command line tool that can show a graph or a history of network speeds, upload/download in command line |
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| 20:43.20 | chops | Decepticon: tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w storage.pcap |
| 20:43.32 | chops | Decepticon: Then open storage.pcap in wireshark and have it generate I/O graphs |
| 20:43.39 | Decepticon | wireshark is gui |
| 20:43.43 | Decepticon | is it not? |
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| 20:44.13 | chops | Decepticon: Hm... you're going to be hard pressed to generate a historical graph via a console app. tcpdump runs in the command line. |
| 20:44.20 | pickcoder | Decepticon: how do you show graphics in command line? |
| 20:44.30 | pickcoder | iptraf is OK |
| 20:44.36 | pickcoder | but it's still not "command line" |
| 20:44.38 | Decepticon | iptraf is ok for instanteous |
| 20:44.38 | chops | Decepticon: See also jnettop, which shows you the current rate of all transfers, though not the history |
| 20:44.45 | jaggz1 | gnuplot can do text :) |
| 20:44.48 | Decepticon | i watn to know previous history |
| 20:45.04 | pickcoder | Decepticon: user accounting? |
| 20:45.18 | Decepticon | no, just to see trends |
| 20:45.20 | pickcoder | it will log usage by IP |
| 20:45.29 | abrotman | pickcoder: graphs in ascii art isn't good enough ? |
| 20:45.34 | chops | Decepticon: You can use jnettop --display text -t 5 --format CSV |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | Decepticon: you could use ntop .. and use links2 to view the tables ... |
| 20:45.53 | chops | Decepticon: And a healthy dose of your own imagination :-) |
| 20:45.59 | pickcoder | abrotman: sure.. if 80 columns is wide enough |
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| 20:46.13 | Decepticon | or how about something that outputs to html |
| 20:46.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: 640kb .. blah blah :) |
| 20:46.23 | Decepticon | and i can view in a browser remotely |
| 20:46.29 | abrotman | !info ntop etch |
| 20:46.38 | chops | Decepticon: You can also do the wireshark processing remotely, which was what I was getting at |
| 20:46.47 | Decepticon | chops ok maybe i will do that |
| 20:46.54 | abrotman | bot? |
| 20:46.56 | dpkg | ntop: (display network usage in top-like format), section net, is optional. Version: 3:3.2-8 (etch), Packaged size: 2663 kB, Installed size: 10796 kB |
| 20:47.11 | woden1 | pickcoder: ok so I extracted the Packages.bz2 and it made a file called Packages. Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/10509/ What do I do now? |
| 20:47.33 | pickcoder | Decepticon: mrtg |
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| 20:47.47 | pickcoder | woden1: then it must be something with apt |
| 20:47.50 | chops | Decepticon: Not sure how well it'll work transferring enormous .pcap files over the network, or running wireshark via ssh -X, of course |
| 20:48.08 | pickcoder | Decepticon: it requires SNMP services to be configured, though |
| 20:48.22 | pickcoder | I use it for historical bandwidth usage |
| 20:48.28 | woden1 | pickcoder: what do you recommend I do to fix it then? |
| 20:48.41 | Decepticon | pickcoder looks interesting |
| 20:49.05 | pickcoder | Decepticon: you can also monitor any public resource that's available like memory and CPU usage |
| 20:49.11 | Decepticon | chops im afraid bandwidth is somewhat of a concern here :( |
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| 20:49.17 | ttl- | greetings |
| 20:49.25 | Decepticon | pickcoder thats definitely interseting, i will work on getting SNMP installed now |
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| 20:50.01 | pickcoder | Decepticon: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mrtg.htm |
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| 20:50.14 | Decepticon | thanks |
| 20:50.33 | drwahl | as apart of the DNS issue, is there anything that needs to be done for a Lenny installation? |
| 20:50.51 | drwahl | like, is there any package that i need to download/update? |
| 20:50.58 | woden1 | abrotman: I did a wget and bunzipped them and they look file. Do you have another suggestion? |
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| 20:51.12 | ttl- | While doing a dist-upgrade from stable to testing the connection broke on: Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager, what is would be advised to deal with this problem in the best way please |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | woden1: fsck the file system ? |
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| 20:51.51 | vasuvi | I set /etc/default/rcS correctly, and did '/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart' just like dpkg says, and it still shows the wrong time with both 'date' and KDE's control panel. Any other suggestions how to get Lenny to realize that the computer isn't using UTC? |
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| 20:52.13 | woden1 | abrotman: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 20:52.13 | woden1 | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
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| 20:52.22 | chops | vasuvi: Run ntpdate? |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | woden1: no kidding .. don't do that |
| 20:52.59 | vasuvi | chops: 'hwclock --show' shows the correct time; there should be no need to set it with ntp every boot |
| 20:53.26 | chops | vasuvi: Can you pastebin the output of 'hwclock --show; /etc/init.d/hwclock start; date -R'? |
| 20:53.39 | vasuvi | sure... |
| 20:53.45 | chops | vasuvi: I didn't mean every boot, just this one time |
| 20:53.49 | Decepticon | pickcoder how much of a resource uptake will i be incurring if i install apache + snmpd + mrtg |
| 20:53.51 | pickcoder | vasuvi: set your tz? |
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| 20:54.09 | pickcoder | Decepticon: depends on how much it will be accessed |
| 20:54.18 | abrotman | chops: you forgot /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:54.19 | Decepticon | not very much! just to see the bandwidth graphs |
| 20:54.28 | chops | abrotman: He says he set that correctly |
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| 20:54.36 | abrotman | chops: "correctly" :) |
| 20:54.48 | chops | abrotman: Well |
| 20:54.50 | chops | abrotman: We'll see :-) |
| 20:54.59 | Decepticon | pickcoder is there much resource usage during idle stages of having installed and running apache + snmpd + mrtg |
| 20:55.13 | drwahl | is there any fix that needs to be installed for the 'random DNS port' bug in Lenny? |
| 20:55.14 | abrotman | RAM usage |
| 20:55.15 | pickcoder | ~2.2MB for snmp |
| 20:55.35 | vasuvi | chops, pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/1067146 |
| 20:55.37 | pickcoder | maybe 4MB per prespawned process for apache |
| 20:55.39 | Decepticon | abrotman is resource usage a windows terminology or something? that i must say RAM usage? |
| 20:55.48 | abrotman | pickcoder: depends on modules also used |
| 20:56.05 | pickcoder | each process has ~18MB mapped |
| 20:56.07 | Nyle | Decepticon, ram is not the only type of resource |
| 20:56.16 | pickcoder | so you can figure about 14MB of that is shared modules |
| 20:56.25 | vasuvi | chops, pickcoder: very weird; that worked, so why isn't it setting it right on boot? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | Decepticon: you should be more specific .. some people don't care about CPU nearly as much as RAM .. and assuming they're "idle" the cpu usage wouldn't be much .. but sitting resident in memory could be quite a bit |
| 20:56.54 | Decepticon | i see your point |
| 20:56.57 | Decepticon | i meant RAM as well |
| 20:57.16 | pickcoder | my router is 98% idle most of the time |
| 20:57.35 | pickcoder | with dansguarding/clamav/squid/bind9 and a bunch of other services |
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| 20:57.43 | chops | vasuvi: So you've rebooted since the last time you modified your hardware clock settings, and it didn't work? What if you reboot now? |
| 20:57.48 | pickcoder | ~dansguardian |
| 20:57.49 | Decepticon | pickcoder you are running apache2 + snmpd + mrtg and allt these other services on your router? |
| 20:57.54 | pickcoder | yes |
| 20:58.07 | pickcoder | dansguardian sucks up most of the CPU |
| 20:58.22 | pickcoder | it's also a local time server and a local DNS and DHCP server |
| 20:58.37 | Decepticon | thats a lotta stuff for a router to do! |
| 20:58.46 | Decepticon | dd-wrt? what model router is this |
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| 20:58.50 | noizze | On my Debian server there's a new update for openssh-client, openssh-server. Is it danger to update it over SSH? |
| 20:58.54 | pickcoder | it's a mini-ITX box |
| 20:58.56 | Bushmills | Decepticon: munin is relatively simple. and make nice RAM, CPU, network use, connections and lots more diagrams |
| 20:59.07 | vasuvi | chops: Yeah, I've rebooted since I modified the hardware clock settings. I doubt it would be different if I rebooted now |
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| 20:59.13 | Decepticon | Bushmills i will look at apt-cache show info for it |
| 20:59.26 | Bushmills | Decepticon: want to see how it looks like? |
| 20:59.30 | chops | vasuvi: Can you reboot and then immediately after pastebin the output of 'hwclock --show; date; /etc/init.d/hwclock start; date'? |
| 20:59.31 | Decepticon | sure |
| 20:59.32 | n3kl | Anyone know if you can run vmware on a xen kernel? |
| 20:59.37 | Bushmills | Decepticon: pm, ok? |
| 20:59.44 | Decepticon | sure |
| 20:59.45 | noizze | will the terminal close after i update openssh-client? |
| 20:59.50 | vasuvi | chops: sure, in just a minute |
| 20:59.53 | pickcoder | Decepticon: oh.. btw it's a network router for ~40 employees |
| 20:59.56 | pickcoder | proxied.. |
| 21:00.01 | pickcoder | brb |
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| 21:03.11 | vasuvi | chops: ok, I think when at first it thought I was in UTC and it was messing up my hardware clock every reboot, I deleted hwclock from rc*.d. Which runlevels should it be run at, and when? |
| 21:04.50 | chops | vasuvi: Looks like update-rc.d hwclock start 11 S . stop 25 0 6 . |
| 21:04.57 | chops | vasuvi: That's what it is on my system |
| 21:05.02 | vasuvi | chops: thanks! |
| 21:05.16 | chops | vasuvi: I think reinstalling the package with hwclock in it will also recreate those links |
| 21:06.51 | chops | vasuvi: np |
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| 21:12.32 | ttl- | i was doing a aptitude dist-upgrade from stable to testing over ssh, i lost my connection on 'Stopping network connection manager' and i can't reconnect anymore. Does aptitude continue after that? |
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| 21:12.52 | Bushmills | !tell decepticon about munin |
| 21:12.54 | vasuvi | chops: dpkg-query showed that util-linux owns /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, so I just used dpkg-reconfigure util-linux and that did it (though it looks like that update-rc.d line you gave would have done the exact same thing) |
| 21:13.21 | rahul | ttl-: well, you were jumping into a pit of snakes and you got bitten |
| 21:13.46 | ttl- | rahul: lol |
| 21:14.24 | SPF | how can I retrieve the adres of my usb printer port? |
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| 21:18.16 | cgreco | hi all, I'm the current owner of ITA on apt-rdepends... old maintainer of this package was also upstream developer, so I'd like to become upstream maintainer and setup an svn repository on alioth for it... is there a way to request a repository without creating a new project? |
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| 21:22.18 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/kUCim085.html anyone knows why my 192.168.0.2 client is dowloading slow from this? |
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| 21:22.44 | micols | it seems to drop a lot of packets but im not sure, it just downloads slow/unstable |
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| 21:23.39 | micols | hehe.. it was my traffic shaping script .. QoS :) |
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| 21:23.48 | cire | I have to decide between intel atom or Pentium-M 718 (Banias) system. Therefore I'd like to compare those CPUs to the ones in my systems. Do you know good benchmark software for linux? |
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| 21:24.54 | micols | perhaps prime95 can benchmark |
| 21:25.20 | kewl022 | !realplayer |
| 21:25.21 | dpkg | realplayer is probably RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about <helix player>, or ask me about <real codecs> |
| 21:25.25 | kommodore | cire: that depends on what exactly you want to benchmark -- maybe bootstrap and compile the gcc in ram? |
| 21:25.34 | micols | but a good game of quake3 is the best benchmark :) kill kill kill :P |
| 21:25.52 | biopyte | hifi, recently i have problems printing pdf files from adobe reader on lenny. instead of characters only empty boxes are printed, though on the screen it looks fine. the problem is independent of the document. any idea? |
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| 21:26.06 | pickcoder | SPF: address? lsusb will tell you which bus and device number a device is on. it can also tell you the vendor and device ID of the device |
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| 21:26.39 | SPF | pickcoder: yes, I know. But it doesnt show the address |
| 21:27.00 | SPF | for a normal printer port the address is 0x378 or 0x278 |
| 21:27.16 | pickcoder | um.. that's a parallel port |
| 21:27.37 | Corkster | you mean people use parallel port printers still :) |
| 21:27.50 | SPF | yes it is |
| 21:27.54 | cire | kommodore: I'll try compiling sth, thanks |
| 21:27.56 | SPF | but I dont use it for the printer |
| 21:27.59 | kewl022 | dpkg: die |
| 21:27.59 | dpkg | I'll murder you kewl022! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
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| 21:28.23 | kewl022 | lol |
| 21:28.41 | pickcoder | SPF: I don't follow you... |
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| 21:29.23 | SPF | pickcoder: I already have a working program for the parallel port 0x378 |
| 21:29.34 | SPF | but now I have a computer without parallel port |
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| 21:29.52 | SPF | so I bought an usb parallel/printer port |
| 21:30.09 | kewl022 | ok..i tried realy so hard...but i cant view my flash plugins on debian 2.6.18 amd 64!!! |
| 21:30.12 | kewl022 | wt to do? |
| 21:30.37 | docmax | hello, why i cant export other mounts withhin an nfs export??? |
| 21:30.40 | Bushmills | be happy, i suppose |
| 21:30.46 | docmax | these dirs stay empty |
| 21:30.57 | xand | docmax: umm... nfs doesn't work that way |
| 21:31.07 | xand | it only exports one FS or part thereof |
| 21:31.08 | docmax | how does it work? |
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| 21:31.30 | docmax | when exporting my root / dir, i want /mnt mounts be visible |
| 21:31.37 | SPF | pickcoder: and I need the address of that usb parallel port to get the program working on this computer |
| 21:31.56 | docmax | xand, what are the nohide and crossmnt options? |
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| 21:32.59 | pickcoder | SPF: does dmesg tell you anything? |
| 21:33.02 | xand | docmax: don't know, maybe they'll help |
| 21:33.09 | docmax | no they dont |
| 21:33.12 | SPF | pickcoder: yes it does |
| 21:33.19 | xand | docmax: they should be in the exports man page I think. |
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| 21:33.42 | docmax | needs to export the root dir including mounts on /mnt - any ideas? for now /mnt remains empty! |
| 21:33.53 | dserban | using squid, can one deny outgoing requests from say... Internet Exploder? |
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| 21:34.09 | xand | man exports |
| 21:34.19 | docmax | yeah i did man exports |
| 21:34.22 | SPF | pickcoder: http://pastebin.org/50035 |
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| 21:34.25 | xand | docmax: you'll have to export them seperately |
| 21:34.30 | docmax | but i dont come any further |
| 21:34.30 | SPF | but those are just the vendor id |
| 21:34.32 | xand | and then mount them inside |
| 21:34.46 | SPF | and product id |
| 21:34.53 | xand | I'm not sure I'd want to export / |
| 21:35.15 | docmax | hmmmmmmm |
| 21:35.20 | docmax | thats bullshit |
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| 21:35.29 | docmax | i need the directory as it is on the server |
| 21:35.37 | docmax | with all mount points |
| 21:35.56 | docmax | there must be a way |
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| 21:36.46 | cm_ | howdy. My Debian box is doing something odd/annoying: when I sudo apt-get install something, sometimes while doing the "processing" it gets sent about 50 returns. So it skips through the dfaults of all the y/n, etc. As if I were holding down the enter key. But I'm not. And it's consistent when it happens, only happens during apt-get. |
| 21:36.50 | docmax | or can i mount /dev/sda1 from the nfs dir? |
| 21:37.13 | Corkster | use aptitude |
| 21:37.37 | cm_ | also, I'm not sure, but it seems to primarily happen in gnome-terminal. anyone ever run across that? :) |
| 21:37.38 | pickcoder | SPF: the device it created is usblp0 |
| 21:38.02 | cm_ | sometimes it works just fine. Or I open a new window and it will work, or not work. pretty random and odd. |
| 21:38.06 | Corkster | use aptitude |
| 21:38.18 | cm_ | :/ |
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| 21:38.40 | Corkster | all the debian docs are telling us to use aptitude its much better |
| 21:39.03 | docmax | ok nfs cannot export block devices |
| 21:39.05 | cm_ | Corkster: I might resort to that. but I've been using apt-get for years, and I'm really curious about what's causing the problem. |
| 21:39.10 | cm_ | Corkster: really? hmm, interesting. |
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| 21:40.35 | n3kl | aptitude moo |
| 21:40.35 | cm_ | Corkster: aptitude is much slower to navigate. |
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| 21:40.46 | Corkster | handles dep issues better |
| 21:40.54 | n3kl | yuk, forget the interface for aptitude. |
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| 21:40.57 | Corkster | i know im having a hardtime breaking the habit alos |
| 21:40.57 | pickcoder | SPF: how are you reading/writing to the parallel port? |
| 21:41.03 | cm_ | n3kl: it sucks :) |
| 21:41.20 | n3kl | Corkster: alias apt-get=aptitude |
| 21:41.26 | Corkster | :) |
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| 21:41.37 | Corkster | yes i have thought about that :) |
| 21:41.54 | n3kl | yea, tho I think there are small differences in the commands |
| 21:41.55 | SPF | pickcoder: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IO-Port-Programming-9.html |
| 21:41.56 | cm_ | oh, I didn't know I could pass apt-get commands to aptitude. tha helps a lot. :) |
| 21:42.01 | Corkster | you know you can use aptitude from cli without going into that lame interface |
| 21:42.11 | cm_ | Corkster: I didn't know that, heh |
| 21:42.16 | Corkster | aptitude --help |
| 21:42.30 | Corkster | aptitude install blah blah |
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| 21:43.24 | pickcoder | SPF: I really don't think you will be able to have address and interrupt control over a USB device that way |
| 21:44.15 | wols_ | SPF: all you can do is program the USB controller |
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| 21:45.17 | macsim | hi, anybody know a teminal browser like elinks/lynx with javascript support ? |
| 21:45.52 | pickcoder | if you need direct hardware port control then you should install an expansion card |
| 21:46.04 | Jacob_H | Evening everyone. Can anyone suggest what I can do to make xterm support UTF8? I remember it working automatically on my main box but on a fresh install on a laptop I need to run LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 xterm -fn '-Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO10646-1' each time |
| 21:46.07 | cm_ | macsim: did you check and see if w3m supports javascript? |
| 21:46.23 | wols_ | !tell Jacob_H about locales |
| 21:46.25 | SPF | wols_: do you have an example from where I could start? |
| 21:46.38 | n3kl | Jacob_H: you need to set you locales |
| 21:47.08 | macsim | cm_, I check |
| 21:47.23 | wols_ | SPF: to do what exactly? |
| 21:48.11 | Jacob_H | n3kl, wols_, itâs set to: en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 (and UTF8 seems to work in other programmes) |
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| 21:49.14 | pickcoder | SPF: I just ran across this: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-03/msg00610.html |
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| 21:49.42 | macsim | cm_, it doesn't seam to support javascript :/ |
| 21:49.55 | n3kl | Jacob_H: if you have to set you locale everytime you open xterm, sounds to me like you need to set the correct locales. |
| 21:51.18 | simonrvn_ | computer program; television programme |
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| 21:52.25 | \amethyst | Jacob_H: what happens when you start xterm and type locale |
| 21:52.43 | \amethyst | Jacob_H: do you get en_GB.UTF-8 or something else? |
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| 21:53.13 | Gryfelhase | How can I detect a Merlin-UMTS Card (PCMCIA/Cardbus) On Sarge ? |
| 21:53.20 | Gryfelhase | (The device-Name?) |
| 21:53.33 | Jacob_H | hmm...it appears that something went wrong the first time I generated the locales...locale returns POSIX rather than en_GB.UTF-8 so Iâve just regenerated them |
| 21:54.10 | Jacob_H | itâs now working for root; would I need to restart X to see if it works for my user account? |
| 21:55.00 | \amethyst | Jacob_H: you'd have to at least log out and log back in again |
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| 21:56.22 | Jacob_H | \amethyst: ok, thanks. Then Iâll wait until Iâve finished for the night and trust that itâll work :-). Iâm still not sure why it didnât work the first time...very odd. Anyway, thanks for the help! |
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| 21:59.37 | jthomas | one of my staff ran, "mv index.html index.html.BAK" on Apache, and then "rm index.html.BAK" and now when you visit the site, it wants to download a file " ~ " (just the tilde) which is a replica of the old index.html file. Thing is, we cannot find that file -- what is going on?? |
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| 22:03.05 | jerry__ | hello |
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| 22:12.37 | jerry__ | hello |
| 22:12.45 | n3kl | hello |
| 22:13.08 | jerry__ | i am newguy in here! |
| 22:13.38 | n3kl | welcome |
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| 22:20.09 | jaggz1 | is there an image management program which you supply the directories (like picassa sort of) and it'll find duplicates too -- and let you drag and drop things to manage it (otherwise I can just use shell) |
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| 22:21.19 | n3kl | jaggz1: I like digikam, don't know about duplicates |
| 22:21.34 | drwahl | i just did 'rm -r ~/foo/' but it appears that it did not free up the disk space. is there something else i need to do? did it cache it somewhere? |
| 22:21.38 | amphi | jaggz1: gqview can find duplicates, recursively if desired |
| 22:21.48 | amphi | duplicates by several criteria |
| 22:22.00 | jaggz1 | awesome |
| 22:22.31 | jaggz1 | n3kl, thanks too |
| 22:22.38 | xaphan_0_1 | drwahl : try remounting the filesystem mount -o remount,rw /foo |
| 22:23.13 | n3kl | amphi: does gqview do like md5sum on the file or something? |
| 22:23.53 | amphi | n3kl: it can check by name, checksum (of some sort), similarity in various degrees, maybe others, I forget |
| 22:24.14 | n3kl | interesting, never knew such features existed |
| 22:24.18 | drwahl | xaphan_0_1: i think i found the issue :( i used rtorrent running and it hadn't released the file yet |
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| 22:29.35 | xaphan_0_1 | haha cool, that will do it |
| 22:31.23 | trifler | The hardrive on my laptop makes a strange noise. Like a thunk like each 10 seconds or so. |
| 22:31.33 | jaggz1 | including custom criteria.. which I didn't configure but which I'm running on many gigs of images right now :) |
| 22:31.51 | trifler | Anyone who has a solution to make it "read" less. |
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| 22:34.05 | jaggz1 | file:///usr/share/doc/gqview/html/5_2_finding_duplicates.html |
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| 22:35.18 | jaggz1 | trifler, maybe the syncing of the drive data or other access.. you could turn off logs, and you could also chattr +A some things (I think it's +A) to make them not update their access-time when they're read |
| 22:35.56 | jaggz1 | when you read a file, the directory entry gets its access time updated (is it the dir entry or the inode? I think it's the dir).. and that's just on a Read, while the directory ends up being written to. |
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| 22:45.01 | Jacob_H | I?ve just logged out and in to try to sort out the locale issue. However, for my user account, I still LANG= (i.e. a blank) and "POSIX" for the other options. Root is working fine. Does anyone have a suggestion as to why the default might be being over-ridden? |
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| 22:48.07 | jaggz1 | how do I get newlines in the commandline? ex: prog `echo -e "foo\nbar"` # This sends foo and bar as two separate commandline options, not the desired single string containing an actual newline |
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| 22:48.21 | pickcoder | Jacob_H: did you update the environment file? |
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| 22:50.17 | Jacob_H | pickcoder: /etc/enviroment has LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 22:50.32 | pickcoder | Jacob_H: did you try rebooting? |
| 22:50.39 | Jacob_H | pickcoder: yes |
| 22:50.48 | pickcoder | I remember changing my dedibox from FR to EN and had to do a few things |
| 22:51.17 | Jacob_H | /etc/environment does look a bit of a mess, but it?s copied from another box where I don?t have any trouble |
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| 22:51.34 | Jacob_H | is there anywhere else where the locale could be changed? |
| 22:51.43 | pickcoder | Jacob_H: env says that LANG= |
| 22:53.24 | Jacob_H | pickcoder: eng | grep LANG returns nothing, which I think might be the problem |
| 22:53.32 | Jacob_H | *env | grep LANG |
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| 22:55.47 | pickcoder | Jacob_H: it should be there if it's environment and you rebooted |
| 22:55.54 | pickcoder | ~it's in env... |
| 22:55.55 | MacGyverNL | I believe the JRE has been updated because of a severe vulnerability. Will the sun JRE packages in Etch be updated? |
| 22:56.37 | Jacob_H | pickcoder: Hmm...fair enough...I?ll try rebooting again. BRB! |
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| 22:59.11 | Jacob_H | pickcoder: no luck, I?m afraid |
| 22:59.46 | pickcoder | is this a standard console logon? |
| 23:00.27 | Jacob_H | no, it?s through entrance (e17 logon-manager) |
| 23:00.54 | pickcoder | does it have it's own locale setup? |
| 23:01.00 | pickcoder | I'd try first with a console logon |
| 23:01.09 | Jacob_H | I?m just checking :) |
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| 23:03.30 | cire | I forgot the command to see where a link is pointing to. Could you help me? |
| 23:03.54 | Jacob_H | right, it looks like it?s something that entrance is doing |
| 23:03.56 | cire | I'm talking about file-links |
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| 23:14.11 | wald0 | i can force the install of a package with "apt-get" that has a conflict ? |
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| 23:14.21 | nsx | apt-get -f |
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| 23:14.32 | wfq | hello |
| 23:15.17 | abrotman | wald0: paste the error in a pastebin |
| 23:15.31 | wfq | is it possible to install IE4Linux by using the debian package? |
| 23:15.34 | nsx | oh wait |
| 23:15.37 | nsx | it's apt-get --force-yes |
| 23:16.02 | wald0 | abrotman: its not a problem related with a official debian package, if that is what you are worried about :) |
| 23:16.13 | abrotman | i asked what the error was |
| 23:16.16 | abrotman | nsx: wrong |
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| 23:16.26 | wald0 | nsx: it continue wanting to remove the conflicting packages |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | wfq: google "Install IE wine" |
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| 23:16.56 | nsx | I remember a --force-deps option too |
| 23:17.00 | nsx | I get my dpkg and apt-get options mixed up |
| 23:17.03 | nsx | what is it then, abrotman? |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | wald0: paste the error |
| 23:17.15 | wald0 | abrotman: well, when i want to "apt-get install" the package eeepc-acpi-scripts, it has a conflict with acpi-support, but i don't want to remove it |
| 23:17.15 | sylvain | Why is the latest iceweasel still a beta version while firefox 3 has already been out for quite a long time? |
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| 23:17.26 | wald0 | its just that |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | sylvain: because the iceweasel3 in sid is the released version |
| 23:18.51 | abrotman | !tell sylvain about ff3 |
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| 23:19.12 | ddalton | how do I start a program just before the log in screen which has no init script? It has to start quite late as well. |
| 23:20.08 | abrotman | you can create your own init script |
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| 23:20.40 | wald0 | ddalton: maybe with /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 23:20.44 | ddalton | erm, ow do i do that? |
| 23:20.46 | ddalton | how |
| 23:21.02 | ddalton | i don't use x. |
| 23:21.11 | ddalton | I mean the text console log in propt |
| 23:21.13 | ddalton | sorry |
| 23:21.23 | wald0 | oh well, then add it to your .bashrc file |
| 23:21.57 | ddalton | wald0: then it starts after the log in screen... |
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| 23:22.11 | ddalton | its speech, so I know when to log in, i am blind. |
| 23:23.07 | wald0 | ddalton: then try to add a script to /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript |
| 23:23.29 | ddalton | and what do I include in that? |
| 23:23.38 | ddalton | speechd-up like I would start it from the command line? |
| 23:23.51 | wald0 | maybe just: echo -e "\a" |
| 23:24.03 | wald0 | it does a simple "beep" |
| 23:24.15 | wald0 | on your pc-speaker |
| 23:24.48 | ddalton | yeah, but its a laptop. sorry. i know... |
| 23:25.07 | ddalton | what about /etc/init.d/rcS? |
| 23:25.12 | Bushmills | ddalton: "quite late" meaning what? what services need to run already when your script/program is executed? |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | why can't he make an init script ? |
| 23:25.19 | wald0 | type it in your terminal to see if works: echo -e "\a" |
| 23:26.10 | wald0 | ddalton: you can add it to /etc/init.d/rcS, or /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript |
| 23:26.19 | ddalton | no |
| 23:27.14 | Bushmills | ddalton: easy would be to add command/script to /etc/crontab, with time specification of "@reboot" |
| 23:27.19 | ddalton | Bushmills: I dunno. speech-dispatcher. it is meant to come up just before the log in prompt... |
| 23:27.36 | jerry_lau | how resole this problem , when i use audacious 1.5.1, the error is "http://paste.debian.net/10568" |
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| 23:27.46 | Bushmills | ddalton: then it will be executed once, when cron starts |
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| 23:28.03 | ddalton | if I create an init script, should I just edit an existing one? |
| 23:28.36 | Bushmills | ddalton: not a good idea - existing ones may be replaced, removed, updated |
| 23:29.10 | ddalton | but cut aand paste into a new file and edit it? I dunno how to write an init script. |
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| 23:29.43 | Tramp | ddalton: /msg dpkg startup - it suggest to use /etc/init.d/skeleton as template |
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| 23:30.45 | wald0 | ddalton: type this from a terminal with root: echo 'echo -e "\a"' > /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript ; chmod +x /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript |
| 23:30.47 | Bushmills | ddalton: adding to crontabl @reboot will execute it before smtp server is started, at the same time that sshd starts., and after audio levels are restored |
| 23:31.28 | abrotman | except he should put that script in init.d and ln -s to it from rc2.d |
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| 23:31.37 | Bushmills | ddalton: most network services will already run at that time |
| 23:32.25 | Bushmills | abrotman: that's the alternative, though i think adding through crontab @reboot is easier to do |
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| 23:32.44 | abrotman | Bushmills: i wasn't arguing you .. i was adjusting wald0 |
| 23:32.54 | Bushmills | oh sorry |
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| 23:33.06 | abrotman | i don't really have a problem with @reboot .. but if you're going to use an init script .. at least put it in the right place |
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| 23:34.22 | streuner | abrotman: hm |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | WHAT? |
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| 23:34.37 | streuner | didn't find a fix for that problem |
| 23:34.38 | Bushmills | and that could work - i haven't tried that - also in user crontab. not even root, or system config files need modification then |
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| 23:35.06 | abrotman | streuner: go find Ronin |
| 23:35.07 | Bushmills | while still executing before login prompt is displayed |
| 23:35.13 | streuner | abrotman: it works under 2.6.24 (ALSA version 1.0.15), but doesn't under any other newer kernel |
| 23:35.21 | streuner | abrotman: why Ronin? |
| 23:35.47 | Corkster | ronin - rougue ninja assassin ? |
| 23:35.58 | streuner | abrotman: even the devel version (1.0.17rc) doesn't work |
| 23:36.17 | streuner | !seen Ronin |
| 23:36.18 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ronin', streuner |
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| 23:36.45 | simonrvn | ronin is a samurai without a master... |
| 23:36.57 | Corkster | well i was close :) |
| 23:37.40 | streuner | abrotman: well, i try to compile .26, there are a few changes |
| 23:37.45 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 23:39.09 | abrotman | streuner: your sound card? |
| 23:39.24 | streuner | abrotman: yes, snd_hda_intel |
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| 23:39.30 | abrotman | streuner: you sohuld be able to look at the kernel changelogs |
| 23:39.34 | Bushmills | ddalton: so the minimum action to add pre-login execution, as far as i can see it, would be: as user, execute crontab -e, which opens an editor, and then write @reboot /path/to/your/command/or/script |
| 23:39.47 | streuner | abrotman: sure, it seems, thats a known old problem |
| 23:39.53 | Bushmills | ddalton: save file, and you should be set |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | streuner: did you ask #alsa ? |
| 23:40.10 | streuner | abrotman: no, not yet |
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| 23:41.09 | wfq | guys I am getting this error when I try to install ieslinux4 in my debian testing box. The thing is the wine version that I have already installed in the system is greater than the version that this messages says http://dpaste.com/61742/ |
| 23:41.33 | wfq | my version of wine is: 1.0.0-1 |
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| 23:44.04 | ddalton | well I put together an init script which works, but is a mess with killalls and stuff in it, works, lets see if it will actually work on boot up though |
| 23:44.23 | jerry_lau | how solve this problem , when i use audacious 1.5.1, the error is "http://paste.debian.net/10568" |
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| 23:45.29 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:45.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 23:47.01 | akio | where would i look for information on how to set up a debian machine as a dns server, and is this what i want? (i'm trying to get all my machines reachable from the internet by hostname from dyndns wildcards) |
| 23:47.19 | akio | i don't want to deal with /etc/hosts |
| 23:47.45 | akio | i reformat machines all day long and i would just rather join a machine to the domain |
| 23:47.52 | ddalton | hey, btw, I found a bug on gnome network manager, it won't let user choose wpa, however, wpa works with wpa_supplicant.conf. has that been fixed or not? |
| 23:48.12 | ddalton | the bug was from a while back, and is still on lenny, are we just out of date ? |
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| 23:48.32 | akio | dpkg doesn't help me with dns |
| 23:48.33 | dpkg | akio: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:48.41 | abrotman | akio: doesn't dyndns do uh ... dns? |
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| 23:49.43 | akio | it does, but is there a way to bypass the NAT on my router so that i can see my lan as hostname.domain.name.dyndns.org? |
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| 23:49.54 | Bushmills | ddalton: do you happen to know the ALVA braille terminals? |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | akio: you oculd i suppose .. but you might do better do use something other than dyndns.org |
| 23:51.05 | akio | i don't totally understand the methods, but i just want to have full access to all of my lan from the net |
| 23:51.16 | akio | i don't care a whole lot about security just yet |
| 23:51.49 | streuner | why do you think you need a DNS server at all? |
| 23:52.08 | akio | i thought that it would keep track of my hosts |
| 23:52.10 | Bushmills | akio: "full access to all" means also access to non-routable services? |
| 23:52.12 | simNIX | port map ssh of every machine to your isp ip on diferent posts ? -> save and full access |
| 23:52.53 | streuner | akio: how many hosts do you have? |
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| 23:53.07 | streuner | Isnt it enough to just put them into /etc/hosts ? |
| 23:53.37 | akio | i would like to do this: ssh user@hostname.domainname from anywhere, and have minimal setup if i wanted to add another machine to my lan |
| 23:54.02 | streuner | thats no problem with dyndns |
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| 23:54.18 | abrotman | anywhere how? |
| 23:54.30 | Bushmills | akio: think of installing a vpn, like openvpn. have the server in your net, on an interface which can be connected to from the outside. |
| 23:54.38 | akio | using putty on somebody elses residential isp access |
| 23:54.59 | Bushmills | connect from outside though vpn, and your outside machine will appear to be part of your LAN |
| 23:55.17 | simNIX | vpn sugestion is only way you can acces all hosts asusers@thathostsname.yourdowmian |
| 23:55.30 | akio | hamachi is about as far as i get for vpn installation/configuration |
| 23:55.38 | akio | i will have to look that up |
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| 23:56.50 | nsx | has anyone in here ever been able to get squid to reliably cache youtube videos? |
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| 23:56.58 | akio | i wish i had that netgear open router so that i could use it as a vpn passthrough |
| 23:57.08 | buu | .w 16 |
| 23:57.23 | simNIX | akio; if you want simple why not port map ever servers ssh to outside ip ? |
| 23:57.33 | Bushmills | akio: openvpn only needs one single udp port |
| 23:57.39 | simNIX | then just ssh user@yourdowmain -p PORT |
| 23:58.14 | akio | dpkg port map? |
| 23:58.16 | dpkg | akio: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:58.20 | akio | lol |
| 23:58.39 | simNIX | prot forwarding in modem/router is what I meen by that .. |
| 23:58.45 | akio | so have each box listening on a different port for ssh? |
| 23:58.47 | simNIX | *port |
| 23:59.04 | akio | i don't know what port mapping is specifically |
| 23:59.07 | simNIX | you local boxes I asume dont have an Inet routable ip |
| 23:59.19 | akio | i don't think so |
| 23:59.25 | akio | im not to keen on networking |
| 23:59.28 | akio | too* |
| 23:59.30 | simNIX | only your modem with router in it has |
| 23:59.38 | akio | i can set static routes in my router |
| 23:59.43 | akio | will that help |
| 23:59.54 | simNIX | so you can map the internal ip:port of ssh to the outside |
